| 00:00.05 | suppaman | I should fix the system as it's not dealing with the wifi card, but my internet connection is on that card |
| 00:00.05 | elmo40 | pickcoder: shame on you! :P Using foul talk like that in here... Where are the bots! |
| 00:00.11 | suppaman | I'm tired |
| 00:00.13 | suppaman | 'night |
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| 00:03.19 | osbee | De_Mon yeah L and W are more different than I used to think. I'm actually starting to think most people should really have both for different reasons - although most of the reasons to have windows are really to do with the range of Windows software. |
| 00:04.41 | elmo40 | a.k.a. virus? |
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| 00:04.49 | elmo40 | nice software that is. ;) |
| 00:05.27 | osbee | Well it certainly has more of those. |
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| 00:06.10 | osbee | Mind you as i learn more about Debian it is hard for me to see how you could have a successful Debian virus anyway.? |
| 00:06.17 | Zippy2 | debian virus lol |
| 00:06.59 | elmo40 | osbee: not Debian virus, Linux virus. If it would occur on a Debian machine, then (theoretically) all Linux distros could be infected. |
| 00:07.03 | elmo40 | !virus |
| 00:07.03 | dpkg | virus is A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent. or a working version of windows without windows |
| 00:07.04 | Gnurdux | well |
| 00:07.13 | Gnurdux | in principle it could require dpkg |
| 00:07.31 | Gnurdux | but most likely a virus that works on debian could hit any distro |
| 00:07.47 | elmo40 | for installation purpouses, sure. But why would it use that route? Rootkit is far more likely. |
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| 00:08.22 | De_Mon | osbee meh, the only reason I have is to play games, but then I don't do video or audio editing or other such tasks that might be good reasons to use windows... |
| 00:08.32 | sint | hey, is there a way to prevent sshd from showing such a long text after login? |
| 00:08.38 | dondelelcaro | sint: change your motd |
| 00:08.42 | dondelelcaro | (or disable it) |
| 00:08.50 | sint | k, thanks |
| 00:08.58 | osbee | De_Mon there is a surprising amount of audio stuff like studio 64 |
| 00:09.28 | osbee | I was actually taken aback there there isn't really much missing for the audio user |
| 00:09.49 | Gnurdux | true |
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| 00:10.02 | Gnurdux | rootkits wouldnt be through linux per se though |
| 00:10.06 | De_Mon | why am I having such a hard time finding a regex substitution implimentation for c++ |
| 00:11.36 | abrotman | De_Mon: man -k regex ? |
| 00:11.45 | sint | dondelelcaro: it works! thanks alot |
| 00:11.56 | osbee | I was most surprised by the range of paying audio software for linux - I always thought this stuff was "free" as opposed to free :) |
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| 00:12.49 | De_Mon | abrotman how does that help me write something in c++? |
| 00:12.49 | pickcoder | De_Mon: apt-cache search lib regex c++ |
| 00:13.29 | gravity | De_Mon: libpcre |
| 00:13.39 | gravity | De_Mon: It's a C lib, but I'm sure it can be used with C++ |
| 00:13.47 | osbee | The only windows program I would really miss is Dreamweaver, but ther eI'm just getting used to adapting other people's scripts - I'm not up to writing my own from scratch :( |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | De_Mon: unless i'm mistaken .. man 3 regex ? |
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| 00:14.20 | De_Mon | abrotman what happens if there is no section 3? |
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| 00:14.41 | abrotman | De_Mon: is manpages-dev installed ? |
| 00:14.47 | pickcoder | De_Mon: libpcrecpp0 |
| 00:14.50 | De_Mon | probably not |
| 00:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | tach |
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| 00:16.46 | De_Mon | abrotman this looks like the same thing in regex.h, it doesn't really cover substitution/replace -- I'll look at libpcrecpp0 |
| 00:16.57 | abrotman | De_Mon: fine .. be that way! |
| 00:17.07 | elmo40 | osbee: dreamweaver can be replaced with something like bluefish |
| 00:17.19 | De_Mon | well! if I'm wrong please edumicate me |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | no freaking way .. i already said i might be wrong! |
| 00:17.45 | osbee | elmo40 that's exactly the editor I use |
| 00:18.00 | osbee | It is really impressive actually |
| 00:18.10 | De_Mon | yea but you said it like there was no way you were wrong! |
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| 00:18.59 | elmo40 | vim |
| 00:18.59 | pickcoder | dreamweaver... it's like a hyper puppy that chews up your floor where you never look |
| 00:19.04 | grendal_prime | usleep: command not found |
| 00:19.13 | grendal_prime | where the hell do i get usleep ? |
| 00:19.24 | grendal_prime | possibley a perl module? |
| 00:19.31 | osbee | It does take up a lot of screen space |
| 00:19.35 | De_Mon | I like emacs better? |
| 00:19.42 | osbee | Even Dreamweaver users will say that |
| 00:20.11 | osbee | And they have in the forums |
| 00:20.16 | osbee | But Adobe don't really listen |
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| 00:20.25 | De_Mon | the #1 reason not to use windows ... drum roll ... Internet Explorer doesn't come preinstalled! |
| 00:20.30 | abrotman | De_Mon: i'd guess it's possible .. but i'm not 100% certain |
| 00:20.35 | Reiser2 | Hi |
| 00:20.45 | Reiser2 | how are you abrotman |
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| 00:20.49 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:20.57 | De_Mon | hes depressed from being wrong a few minuites ago |
| 00:21.02 | Reiser2 | man, i am using xfce, is very fast |
| 00:21.04 | osbee | I just need to get used to the textual way of working is all |
| 00:21.12 | Reiser2 | i think i will use this now |
| 00:21.13 | elmo40 | Reiser2: yes, it can be. |
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| 00:21.29 | grendal_prime | usleep anyone? |
| 00:21.40 | fengor | yes me sleep now ;p |
| 00:21.41 | pickcoder | har har |
| 00:21.42 | De_Mon | gravity no mewake |
| 00:21.43 | Reiser2 | i will install in my laptop with 256MB of RAm to see |
| 00:22.19 | gravity | De_Mon: Huh? |
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| 00:22.21 | osbee | I haven't used IE since version 5 - where I work they used Firefox |
| 00:22.26 | Reiser2 | OpenOffice takes 3 seconds to open, Damm |
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| 00:22.41 | osbee | They would dream of Linux though :( |
| 00:23.25 | osbee | I must admit i use Opera - I know it's against the Debian way but it's so small and fast and Firefox is getting pretty big now |
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| 00:24.07 | elmo40 | osbee: have you tried ff3? |
| 00:24.11 | osbee | No |
| 00:24.23 | elmo40 | give it a shot |
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| 00:25.29 | dbmoodb | just a quick q to purge and remove a thing what is hte command ? apt-get --purge remove ? |
| 00:25.33 | osbee | I might do on my windows box - I like this box the way it is - in fact etchcruns so smoothly it's making me quite conservative :( |
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| 00:25.40 | abrotman | dbmoodb: man apt-get |
| 00:25.47 | dbmoodb | no answer the q |
| 00:25.53 | abrotman | well .. i was going to |
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| 00:26.55 | osbee | elmo40 when is ff3 due out of beta? |
| 00:27.01 | dbmoodb | was my thing correct then ? |
| 00:27.01 | osbee | hang on I'll look |
| 00:27.07 | osbee | that was lazy question |
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| 00:27.35 | dbmoodb | dart |
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| 00:27.36 | pickcoder | dbmoodb: you really should be using aptitude, but yes; that is in the man page. you could have saved yourself all this additional time by just looking there to start with |
| 00:27.55 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.08 | pickcoder | why on earth do you have hotplug? |
| 00:28.18 | abrotman | sarge? |
| 00:28.19 | dbmoodb | it is an ls pro - linkstation pro |
| 00:28.23 | dbmoodb | so i'm killing it |
| 00:30.01 | pickcoder | are you running Sarge? |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | is it even debian? |
| 00:30.18 | dbmoodb | no i'm using a kernel of 2.6.12 and yes it is debian |
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| 00:30.36 | dbmoodb | why else would i be asking for apt-get stuff ?... |
| 00:30.43 | pickcoder | the kernel has nothing to do with the distro version |
| 00:30.48 | pickcoder | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:30.50 | dbmoodb | ah it can |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | dbmoodb: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:31.02 | pickcoder | that too... |
| 00:31.03 | dbmoodb | tis arch |
| 00:31.06 | dbmoodb | etch* |
| 00:31.06 | dbmoodb | root@linky:/dev# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:31.06 | dbmoodb | 4.0 |
| 00:31.22 | dbmoodb | root@linky:/dev# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:31.22 | dbmoodb | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:31.33 | pickcoder | udev replaced hotplug |
| 00:31.36 | dbmoodb | i know |
| 00:31.43 | osbee | I'm using etch but I'm sure my K version is 18 |
| 00:31.47 | dbmoodb | but not in this revision maybe |
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| 00:31.52 | dbmoodb | it says 15 ? |
| 00:31.52 | abrotman | yeah .. his isn't etch proper |
| 00:31.58 | dbmoodb | ... this ? |
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| 00:32.13 | dbmoodb | this is debian etch for an arm + mods so it can run on the ls pro |
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| 00:32.42 | Av | does anyone know if glibc 2.4 is available for debian etch? |
| 00:32.46 | pickcoder | bl |
| 00:32.48 | pickcoder | bbl even |
| 00:32.54 | dbmoodb | bbl ? |
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| 00:33.07 | antixogh | be back later |
| 00:33.15 | elmo40 | big black lady |
| 00:33.30 | streuner | Av: why glibc 2.4? |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | Av: not likely |
| 00:33.53 | osbee | Do you get odd versions if you keep rebuilding without ever going to the latest distro is that what happens? |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:34.20 | osbee | I didn't phrase that very well |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | no kidding :) |
| 00:34.28 | antixogh | av: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=glibc+2.4&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 00:34.33 | antixogh | nothing found |
| 00:34.33 | osbee | I'll think of a better way of asking LOL |
| 00:34.36 | Av | streuner: i need it to run a proprietary app. without glibc 2.4, when running under xen it triggers the '4gb seg fixup' bug and kills performance :( |
| 00:34.53 | Av | ok |
| 00:35.26 | abrotman | Av: lenny has 2.7 |
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| 00:36.35 | Av | abrotman: of glibc? i didn't know there was a 2.7 heh |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | !info libc6 lenny |
| 00:36.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 4374 kB, Installed size: 10592 kB |
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| 00:38.34 | abrotman | dbmoodb: do you have the kernel metapackage installed? |
| 00:38.36 | osbee | I have to go to bed now - this is a good channel! Very good! Nite |
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| 00:47.55 | phpusmo | how do I know what debian version I have? |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | !version |
| 00:48.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 00:50.14 | martianixor | hi |
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| 00:50.47 | martianixor | no more libapache2-mod-rewrite? |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | i think it's builtin ? |
| 00:51.11 | martianixor | I've been away for a long time it seems |
| 00:51.21 | martianixor | builtin? |
| 00:52.02 | martianixor | well I have it enabled but I don't know what exactly could be the problem |
| 00:52.04 | phpusmo | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:52.08 | phpusmo | is that etch? |
| 00:52.13 | martianixor | abrotman: thanks anyway |
| 00:52.14 | phpusmo | I think my repositories are broken |
| 00:52.24 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:52.27 | phpusmo | cause I keep getting: E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 00:52.29 | martianixor | night TrueDD |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | phpusmo: yes .. but your kernel is out of date |
| 00:52.43 | abrotman | phpusmo: aptitude update .. then try to install again |
| 00:52.45 | pleed | i installed a 2.6.22-686 kernel from backports.org . now when i do apt-get dist-upgrade it wants to install linux 2.6.18 and headers. how can is say dpkg that i dont want that? |
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| 00:53.48 | abrotman | !hold |
| 00:53.48 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
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| 00:54.07 | tripp | hey there. i got an question to the realtime-patch released by ingo molnar. i read there is an "watchdog", which starts once a second, injecting the timestamp. you know how this "watchdog" is called exactly? |
| 00:54.39 | TrueDD | night martianixor |
| 00:54.44 | phpusmo | abrotman: I've been doing sudo apt-get update |
| 00:54.49 | phpusmo | and then sudo apt-get install gnome |
| 00:54.56 | abrotman | which packages can't be found ? |
| 00:55.07 | phpusmo | !paste |
| 00:55.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 00:55.49 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/T88cp651.html |
| 00:56.12 | phpusmo | abrotman, that's what happens. Also could I pastebin my sources.list I think someone has been messing around with that |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | what is 85.17.159.15 ? |
| 00:57.28 | phpusmo | ip |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | i know |
| 00:57.53 | infinity_ | does anyone haev a backport (for etch) of 2.6.23 |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | paste your sources |
| 00:59.01 | phpusmo | ok |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | infinity_: backports.org? |
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| 00:59.30 | phpusmo | wait that 85.17.159.15 I have no idea..that's not even the server's i p |
| 00:59.31 | phpusmo | ip* |
| 00:59.36 | phpusmo | probably some messed up source |
| 00:59.41 | phpusmo | hold up let me pastebin it |
| 01:00.10 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/EaL6JU70.html |
| 01:00.46 | simonrvn | foobarbazquxquux |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | phpusmo: is linux-image-2.6-686 installed ? |
| 01:01.02 | phpusmo | how can I check? |
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| 01:01.16 | abrotman | phpusmo: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6* |
| 01:02.18 | phpusmo | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 01:02.18 | phpusmo | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 01:02.18 | phpusmo | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 01:02.18 | phpusmo | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 01:02.18 | phpusmo | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 01:02.47 | phpusmo | sorry |
| 01:03.18 | azeem | phpusmo: we saw all those lines already |
| 01:03.28 | azeem | except for the last line, that one is different! |
| 01:03.34 | phpusmo | which line? |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | phpusmo: pastebin it |
| 01:03.45 | simonrvn | the one with the ii in front |
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| 01:04.45 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/J0elfw42.html |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | phpusmo: try again |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | phpusmo: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6* |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | note the * |
| 01:05.46 | abrotman | phpusmo: or just `aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686` .. and it will tell you if it's already installed |
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| 01:07.10 | E-bola | I got an issue with cron, i got a job that runs fine, and it e-mails root the output, thats all fine, but its sending it to the wrong hostname |
| 01:07.29 | E-bola | i recently changed the hostname on the server, but mail is still attempted to be send to root@oldhostname |
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| 01:07.35 | E-bola | how can i fix this? (debian etch) |
| 01:07.46 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/qndD2n94.html |
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| 01:08.21 | abrotman | phpusmo: aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | show the output before you agree |
| 01:08.56 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/p9nbtl88.html |
| 01:09.05 | streuner | E-bola: tried dpkg-reconfigure <MTA-package>? |
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| 01:09.53 | phpusmo | oh sorry |
| 01:09.57 | phpusmo | I already pressed Y |
| 01:09.58 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/p9nbtl88.html |
| 01:10.03 | E-bola | mailname |
| 01:10.04 | abrotman | it's okay .. didn't do much |
| 01:10.06 | E-bola | was the file to change |
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| 01:11.52 | streuner | must be a old version of Debian then :-) |
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| 01:13.06 | E-bola | newest |
| 01:13.14 | phpusmo | any luck? |
| 01:13.36 | phpusmo | I was thinking the repos were broken |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | phpusmo: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 01:14.27 | zamuro | Who uses irssi here? |
| 01:14.37 | streuner | E-bola: read man mailname then |
| 01:15.20 | E-bola | streuner i did.... |
| 01:15.27 | E-bola | but how was i to know it existed... |
| 01:15.33 | E-bola | you obviously didnt :) |
| 01:16.51 | phpusmo | abrotman, same thing |
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| 01:17.24 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/idCD2R10.html |
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| 01:18.04 | abrotman | phpusmo: something or someone did a good number on your system |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | phpusmo: you did run aptitude update first right ? |
| 01:18.59 | phpusmo | yep |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | phpusmo: did you change permissions on stuff in /var/ ? |
| 01:19.09 | streuner | E-bola: yes, you are right, i thought you want set a real hostname... |
| 01:19.28 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/VPNd7059.html |
| 01:19.36 | phpusmo | change permmissions? |
| 01:19.40 | phpusmo | permission* |
| 01:19.45 | phpusmo | I don't think I did that |
| 01:19.50 | phpusmo | can't remember |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | phpusmo: `wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-5-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch5_i386.deb` .. then dpkg -i the file |
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| 01:26.15 | streuner | hm |
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| 01:32.01 | nocti | hello. i just updated and got a new kernel. what modules do i have to reinstall? i have nvidia, ntfs-3g, among other things. thanks. |
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| 01:33.04 | eljefe | someone has broken in (password guessed) an account on my machine |
| 01:33.29 | eljefe | i kicked them off and removed their DL'ed programs/scripts |
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| 01:33.45 | ericcardell | hey guys |
| 01:33.45 | eljefe | now however i am unsure about the systems integrity... |
| 01:34.05 | ericcardell | i have 11 hard drives |
| 01:34.41 | ericcardell | sg0-sg10 |
| 01:34.51 | Tramp | eljefe: If you are serious about security, there is no alternative but to reinstall from scratch. |
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| 01:35.02 | ericcardell | they are all setup to work for "md0" |
| 01:35.03 | Kernell | hello |
| 01:35.04 | eljefe | first off, my netstat -an reads: :::22 :::* LISTEN (IPv6??) and my /var/log/auth.log has the line "sshd[5243]: error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use." |
| 01:35.08 | ericcardell | it has died |
| 01:35.13 | ericcardell | how can i redo it ? |
| 01:35.17 | eljefe | Tramp: I am afraid you're correct. |
| 01:35.32 | nocti | hello. i just updated and got a new kernel. what modules do i have to reinstall? i have nvidia, ntfs-3g, among other things. thanks. |
| 01:35.35 | eljefe | must i really tho?? |
| 01:35.58 | ericcardell | anybody ? |
| 01:36.00 | eljefe | i read the user's .bash_history and it looks OK, other than the scripts he ran |
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| 01:36.21 | eljefe | ericcardell: you need to replace a drive; it won't come online otherwise |
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| 01:36.41 | eljefe | ericcardell: if you redo it any other way you will likely lose data |
| 01:36.46 | ericcardell | eljefe, the problem happened yesterday the provider tech logged in and in 5 minutes had it redone and working |
| 01:36.47 | phpusmo | back abrotman |
| 01:36.50 | phpusmo | you still there? |
| 01:36.51 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:36.53 | ericcardell | i already lost all the data |
| 01:37.05 | ericcardell | this morning when he fixed it i lost everything |
| 01:37.09 | Tramp | eljefe: If you are not serious about security, you can install rootkit-hunters, check this and that and live with the bad feeling that you missed something. Up to you. |
| 01:37.09 | ericcardell | so there isn't much there to lose now |
| 01:37.10 | phpusmo | so I should do wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-5-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch5_i386.deb -dpkgi -i? |
| 01:37.13 | eljefe | so read the man pages on mdadm i believe |
| 01:37.33 | eljefe | ericcardell: man pages on mdadm |
| 01:37.33 | ericcardell | manual pages don't seem to be installed |
| 01:37.42 | eljefe | google for it |
| 01:38.05 | eljefe | can anyone tell me what the scripts do, if i post them at pastebin? |
| 01:38.14 | eljefe | i'm not too bash-y |
| 01:38.19 | phpusmo | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/LmEkeB79.html |
| 01:38.33 | eljefe | ok well, the last thing the user ran was screen; would that have a totally different history then? |
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| 01:39.28 | abrotman | phpusmo: have you tried restarting the box ? |
| 01:39.49 | phpusmo | nope lol |
| 01:39.51 | phpusmo | let me try that |
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| 01:40.56 | phpusmo | abrotman, that's weird..now I can't connect to it via putty |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 01:41.12 | phpusmo | nor winscp |
| 01:41.32 | phpusmo | network error: connection refused |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | give it a bit |
| 01:41.39 | abrotman | it's remote isn't it ? |
| 01:41.45 | phpusmo | it's a vps |
| 01:42.13 | burn\car | anyone around to help with suspend->ram? it goes to sleep OK, i think.. but it doesnt resume - just does a normal boot |
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| 01:43.46 | abrotman | phpusmo: still nothing? |
| 01:43.54 | Kernell94 | how do i change my nick pass?? |
| 01:44.02 | abrotman | Kernell94: on freenode or debian ? |
| 01:44.05 | nocti | hello. i just updated and got a new kernel. what modules do i have to reinstall? i have nvidia, ntfs-3g, among other things. thanks. |
| 01:44.08 | Kernell94 | freenode |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | Kernell94: /msg nickserv help |
| 01:44.16 | Kernell94 | is the same? |
| 01:44.21 | phpusmo | abrotman, winscp works now :D |
| 01:44.22 | Tramp | eljefe: No, since screen just spawns terminals with more shells. He may however have e.g. forcibly terminated shells, thus leaving no trace in bash_history. |
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| 01:44.29 | abrotman | phpusmo: yay .. i think |
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| 01:44.36 | urv | ,l |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | r2 |
| 01:44.42 | phpusmo | alright |
| 01:44.44 | phpusmo | it's working |
| 01:44.46 | phpusmo | putty that is |
| 01:45.40 | phpusmo | should I run sudo apt-get update? |
| 01:45.40 | Tramp | eljefe: The fact that you have a history may mean (1) he didn't know/care (2) he tries to lull you into false safety. You see the dilemma. |
| 01:45.40 | \amethyst | Kernell94: "set password" is what you're looking fo |
| 01:45.43 | Kernell94 | ok thx |
| 01:45.55 | eljefe | yes i know |
| 01:46.04 | eljefe | :( |
| 01:46.16 | eljefe | does screen have its own history? |
| 01:46.18 | dondelelcaro | eljefe: pretty much if someone has managed to break in to your machine, nothing on it is trustworthy. |
| 01:46.35 | Tramp | eljefe: as I said: No, it doesn't |
| 01:46.42 | catsup | GNU screen? |
| 01:46.43 | eljefe | sorry missed that |
| 01:46.47 | dondelelcaro | eljefe: you can look at what they did from a forensics standpoint, but it's totally useless to look at it from a point of trying to repair anything that they've done. |
| 01:46.50 | eljefe | probably GNU |
| 01:47.05 | eljefe | i'm just wondering if they have done anything |
| 01:47.07 | catsup | eljefe: that has a scrollback buffer accessible by defualt with ^A[ and pgup/down |
| 01:47.14 | phpusmo | still get the same problem when I try sudo apt-get install gnome |
| 01:47.18 | eljefe | or if these scripts are for attacking outside |
| 01:47.20 | catsup | you can copy and paste from it |
| 01:47.28 | dondelelcaro | eljefe: you can't know, by definition. Assume that they have, and reinstall the machine. |
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| 01:47.47 | eljefe | aarg yeah you're all correct, i just don't want to tonight. |
| 01:47.58 | eljefe | but ok, i shall. thanks all. |
| 01:48.12 | dondelelcaro | np; it's one of the fun jobs that comes with being a system administrator |
| 01:48.34 | Tramp | what were the five stages of cancer again? It ends with acceptance iirc ... |
| 01:49.07 | dondelelcaro | that's just psychobable dealing with traumatic, life-changing events |
| 01:49.24 | Tramp | that's what I meant. |
| 01:49.59 | Nyle | rahul gandoo! |
| 01:50.00 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:50.02 | Nyle | hi |
| 01:50.20 | phpusmo | abrotman, outta ideas? lol |
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| 01:50.49 | abrotman | phpusmo: you get the same error with the dpkg -i thing ? |
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| 01:51.08 | phpusmo | server378:~# dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18-5-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch5_i386.deb |
| 01:51.13 | phpusmo | you want me to type that right? |
| 01:51.16 | phpusmo | like in that order? |
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| 01:51.46 | phpusmo | abrotman, it worked |
| 01:52.03 | catsup | ericcardell: you have 11 hard drives, and you want to know how to set them up? |
| 01:52.05 | Kernell94 | who is the best filesystem? |
| 01:52.12 | catsup | me! |
| 01:52.17 | phpusmo | well I think it worked |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | phpusmo: think ? |
| 01:52.27 | ericcardell | catsup, its a rented server |
| 01:52.35 | ericcardell | and yes |
| 01:52.39 | ericcardell | i want to know how to raid them |
| 01:52.45 | phpusmo | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/gk5KwF29.html |
| 01:52.50 | phpusmo | lol it looks like it did |
| 01:52.52 | ericcardell | since right now i'm getting incorrect superblock errors when trying to mount /dev/md0 |
| 01:52.55 | phpusmo | so what does that thing do? |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | phpusmo: okay .. can you install gnome now? |
| 01:53.29 | phpusmo | shoudl I do apt-get update first? |
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| 01:53.44 | phpusmo | should* |
| 01:53.46 | catsup | ericcardell: /dev/md0 is the filesystem? |
| 01:53.56 | abrotman | sure |
| 01:54.01 | ericcardell | yes |
| 01:54.03 | ericcardell | well no |
| 01:54.08 | ericcardell | reiserfs is the filesystem |
| 01:54.25 | phpusmo | abrotman, E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 01:54.34 | ericcardell | before i would mount /dev/md0 /backup |
| 01:54.46 | ericcardell | but now it won't mount |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | phpusmo: paste again |
| 01:55.10 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/numhRM62.html |
| 01:55.12 | ericcardell | mount: /dev/md0: can't read superblock |
| 01:55.20 | phpusmo | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/numhRM62.html |
| 01:56.22 | Kernell94 | but i read that XFS is best |
| 01:57.26 | markybob | vfat rules, man. yeah. |
| 01:57.32 | markybob | damn this place has changed :p |
| 01:57.36 | ericcardell | catsup, any idea ? |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | markybob: heh |
| 01:58.29 | Kernell94 | bah but it has the limit of 128 GB |
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| 01:59.05 | burn\car | anyone around to help with suspend->ram? it goes to sleep OK, i think.. but it doesnt resume - just does a normal boot.. |
| 01:59.43 | phpusmo | abrotman, do you know what the problem is? |
| 02:00.00 | abrotman | phpusmo: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ && wget http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/03/27/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | OT: what's a holiday in january? |
| 02:01.04 | Chaosguard | 1st jan ? ;) |
| 02:01.07 | markybob | abrotman mlk jr's birthday |
| 02:01.58 | phpusmo | 03:02:31 (245.13 KB/s) - `linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb' saved [16319554/16319554] |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | markybob: http://www.holidayinsights.com/other/uptheflagpole.htm |
| 02:02.52 | markybob | abrotman ah, neat. |
| 02:02.59 | phpusmo | abrotman, did you get the file? |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | markybob: http://www.holidayinsights.com/other/penguinawareness.htm HA . this is perfect ... my brother is in antarctica .. |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | phpusmo: file ? |
| 02:03.13 | markybob | abrotman your brother is crazy :p |
| 02:03.28 | ericcardell | Cato9021, can you help ? |
| 02:03.30 | ericcardell | woops |
| 02:03.33 | ericcardell | catsup, can you help ? |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | markybob: yes |
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| 02:03.55 | phpusmo | abrotman, what was that you told me to do? |
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| 02:04.20 | phpusmo | oh did it downloaded that .deb? |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | phpusmo: did you download it to the correct directory? |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | phpusmo: if it did .. try to install gnome again |
| 02:04.44 | phpusmo | abrotman, if server378:/var/cache/apt/archives# is the correct directory |
| 02:04.46 | phpusmo | then yeah |
| 02:04.58 | phpusmo | abrotman, do I need to run the .deb? |
| 02:04.59 | phpusmo | ok |
| 02:05.34 | phpusmo | abrotman, I think it worked |
| 02:05.53 | phpusmo | I got this configuring linux-image-2.6.18-4-696 |
| 02:06.15 | PumpkinPie | in nano it says to SAVE to MAC format M-M |
| 02:06.20 | phpusmo | http://rafb.net/p/97odUm56.html abrotman. |
| 02:06.22 | PumpkinPie | how do I press M-M ? |
| 02:06.31 | \amethyst | PumpkinPie: probably Alt-M |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | phpusmo: that's okay |
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| 02:06.39 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 02:07.01 | \amethyst | PumpkinPie: M- usually stands for "Meta", which is an old name for what is called Alt on PCs |
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| 02:07.07 | phpusmo | abrotman, how do I select the ok |
| 02:07.13 | phpusmo | I tried pressing enter and stuff |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | phpusmo: hit tab .. then enter |
| 02:07.23 | phpusmo | oh ok lol |
| 02:07.24 | phpusmo | my bad |
| 02:07.27 | PumpkinPie | that is retarded |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: ? |
| 02:07.53 | phpusmo | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/m3KxIF21.html |
| 02:08.04 | PumpkinPie | considering M is a letter and when I press the letter it changes my file's name |
| 02:08.49 | phpusmo | abrotman, so everything should be good? |
| 02:09.02 | phpusmo | cause I was getting problem with whatever I tried installing |
| 02:09.06 | phpusmo | not just gnome |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | let me look |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | phpusmo: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:09.44 | phpusmo | nothing installed |
| 02:09.46 | phpusmo | just says done |
| 02:09.53 | phpusmo | Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. |
| 02:10.02 | phpusmo | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 02:10.02 | phpusmo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:10.27 | abrotman | phpusmo: that's a bit odd .. but okay |
| 02:10.45 | phpusmo | is gnome already installed or do I need to run apt-get install gnome again? |
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| 02:10.58 | abrotman | gnome is a metapackage |
| 02:11.08 | dsl997 | what does that mean? |
| 02:11.11 | phpusmo | ? |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 02:11.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers |
| 02:12.00 | phpusmo | so when I did apt-get install gnome |
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| 02:12.09 | phpusmo | it didn't install the gnome desktop environment? |
| 02:12.35 | abrotman | phpusmo: dpkg -l gnome* .. what do you see? |
| 02:12.53 | phpusmo | No packages found matching gnome_1%3a2.14.3.6_all.deb. |
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| 02:13.14 | abrotman | phpusmo: cd && dpkg -l * |
| 02:13.15 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:13.18 | abrotman | phpusmo: cd && dpkg -l gnome* |
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| 02:13.34 | phpusmo | LOTS of stuff |
| 02:13.54 | phpusmo | so I'm guessing it did |
| 02:14.01 | azeem | with ii in front? |
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| 02:14.32 | phpusmo | abrotman, THANK! everything is working |
| 02:14.41 | phpusmo | even other apt-get install (app) |
| 02:14.44 | phpusmo | thanks so much |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | phpusmo: i'd stioll like to know what that kernel is held back |
| 02:15.23 | phpusmo | okay how do I find out that? |
| 02:15.38 | phpusmo | how do I find that out* |
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| 02:16.00 | ericcardell | -c, --chunk= |
| 02:16.01 | ericcardell | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.03 | ericcardell | what should i set it to |
| 02:16.09 | ericcardell | 12 hard drives |
| 02:16.29 | joe90 | hey guys/girls, if I dl and install Debian 4.0r0 do I have to dl the entire thing again to upgrade to 4.0r1 or is it possible to only dl a smaller package? |
| 02:16.36 | ericcardell | when the provider did the command they didn't use the --chunk= option |
| 02:16.45 | ericcardell | so i'm wondering if thats whats screwin everything up |
| 02:16.47 | ericcardell | anybody? |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | joe90: no .. if you use http sources .. it will go automagically .. or you can use the 'update' cd |
| 02:17.05 | ericcardell | would really appreciate any help |
| 02:17.12 | joe90 | ok cool since my local free content mirror only has 4.0r0 |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | joe90: assuming that mirror is up to date |
| 02:17.26 | phpusmo | abrotman, so what do you want me to do? |
| 02:17.43 | abrotman | phpusmo: if you run a dist-upgrade .. what happens ? |
| 02:17.52 | ericcardell | anybody ? |
| 02:18.00 | phpusmo | abrotman, apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 02:18.01 | joe90 | no it's only got 4.0r0 cd/dvd isos |
| 02:18.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:18.15 | phpusmo | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 02:18.15 | phpusmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.16 | abrotman | joe90: i meant the apt sources |
| 02:18.38 | phpusmo | Yes? |
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| 02:18.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:18.52 | abrotman | see what happens |
| 02:19.00 | phpusmo | showing that screen |
| 02:19.05 | joe90 | oh right dunno. about how big is the upgrade package? |
| 02:19.05 | phpusmo | configuring linux-image... |
| 02:19.12 | phpusmo | press ok? |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | sure |
| 02:19.40 | phpusmo | done |
| 02:19.43 | phpusmo | pastebin it? |
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| 02:19.51 | HockeyInJune | I am trying to copy files from my Linux machine to my Windows machine using scp, but it isnt working, any ideas? |
| 02:20.12 | phpusmo | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/tOWRT728.html |
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| 02:20.35 | abrotman | eh .. looks okay |
| 02:20.51 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: many people like using filezilla |
| 02:20.55 | phpusmo | lol |
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| 02:21.05 | phpusmo | It's the same thing as the other isn't it? |
| 02:21.08 | phpusmo | weird.. |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | kind of |
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| 02:21.30 | phpusmo | so what was the actual problem with this? |
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| 02:21.49 | abrotman | seemed something was out of date .. not sure how it got that way though or why it cared so much |
| 02:21.50 | HockeyInJune | I would rather not have to set up a FTP server for this application |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: filezilla can connect via scp |
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| 02:22.08 | phpusmo | oh |
| 02:22.10 | ricosecada | After have upgraded testing with latest upgrades I can't get my kdm themes working. I get this "Override files found, selected theme will not have effect." What does that mean? |
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| 02:22.20 | HockeyInJune | Interesting.. |
| 02:22.23 | phpusmo | abrotman, Thanks again. I appreciate all the help. |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 02:23.07 | HockeyInJune | Do you know the command anyway, just for educational purposes? |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | the command? |
| 02:23.27 | HockeyInJune | scp -r root@*.*.*.*:/etc/apache2 \apacheconf |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | why isn't it working? what's the error? |
| 02:23.32 | HockeyInJune | That isnt working |
| 02:23.37 | abrotman | it needs a password or keys |
| 02:23.52 | HockeyInJune | No, it asked for a password, and I got it |
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| 02:24.15 | HockeyInJune | it just copied to the remote mahcine instead of to my windows machine where the client is running |
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| 02:27.21 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: you need to specify the remote host |
| 02:27.34 | HockeyInJune | I did |
| 02:27.42 | HockeyInJune | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.07 | joe90 | about how big is the upgrade package to go from 4.0r0 to 4.0r1? 50mb, 200mb, 1gb, 5gb? |
| 02:28.19 | dondelelcaro | joe90: depends on what packages you have installed. |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | depends what you |
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| 02:28.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you want depends? |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:29.02 | joe90 | ok then |
| 02:29.16 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, it's definetly smaller than 1G |
| 02:29.41 | joe90 | ok cheers that's all i wanted to hear :) |
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| 02:31.04 | abrotman | how big is the upgrade CD ? |
| 02:31.08 | HockeyInJune | nvm, I am just going to use a separate client :/ |
| 02:31.43 | abrotman | and what is the "list-cd" directory? |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | oh .. there's two update CDs |
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| 02:32.51 | ghostkernel | does anyoe here remember how to auto generate the menu in fluxbox? |
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| 02:33.56 | ghostkernel | ??? |
| 02:34.04 | Cripps | I'm running debian Testing. The KDE website says that there is a KDE4 build available for unstable, I was wondering how much work would be required to install kde4 on lenny from the unstable packages. |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | Cripps: ask #debian-kde .. but probably more work than you want |
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| 02:35.21 | Cripps | abrotman, probably. Thanks for the room. I'll go over there now :) |
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| 02:36.23 | ericcardell | okay i recreated the /dev/md0 device with all hard disks |
| 02:36.29 | ericcardell | but at boot i get this error |
| 02:36.30 | ericcardell | raid5: raid level 5 set md0 active with 11 out of 12 devices, algorithm 2 |
| 02:36.37 | ericcardell | is one of the disks screwed ? |
| 02:36.40 | ericcardell | i can still mount it though |
| 02:36.54 | ricosecada | testing is becoming really unstable.. having segmet faults on xmms, mplayer, xine and wine, and kdmthemes don't work. Damn. |
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| 02:37.32 | abrotman | ricosecada: ever think it's the hardware? |
| 02:38.04 | ricosecada | abrotman, I have run a memtest, and together with other tests, I have found no errors.. |
| 02:38.07 | ricosecada | I wish I had.. |
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| 02:38.32 | abrotman | ricosecada: i'm running testing here .. all those bits work fine (i don't use kde though) |
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| 02:38.50 | ricosecada | abrotman, what version of mplayer are you running? |
| 02:39.07 | osmosis | how difficult is it for me to setup some sort of local smtp server so I can send msgs without needing someone elses smtp. |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | oh .. just xmms and xine .. sorry .. missed that one |
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| 02:39.38 | ricosecada | abrotman, ok then what version of those, if you don't mind? |
| 02:40.00 | wols | osmosis: this is done by default on debian. getting other places to accept mail from your host is different however |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | ii xmms 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 Versatile X audio player |
| 02:41.11 | osmosis | wols: by default? like /sbin/sendmail is already installed or something ? |
| 02:41.36 | wols | osmosis: it's not sendmail but exim4, and yes every debian install ocmes with it by default |
| 02:42.14 | ericcardell | nobody here has a clue about mdadm ? |
| 02:42.31 | Nyle | !mdadm |
| 02:42.35 | Nyle | hmm |
| 02:43.01 | wols | ricosecada: it's a degraded array probably. but no clue how to fix it, sorry |
| 02:43.45 | Orion_X11 | running apt-get update I get this error > Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 > MD5Sum mismatch > How do I fix it? |
| 02:43.55 | dondelelcaro | ericcardell: what in particular about it? have you checked /proc/mdstat? |
| 02:44.19 | ricosecada | wols, thanks |
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| 02:44.42 | prgmrchris | Orion_X11: tried apt-get update ? :) |
| 02:45.21 | osmosis | wols: why not postfix ? |
| 02:45.21 | ericcardell | dondelelcaro, |
| 02:45.22 | ericcardell | md0 : active raid5 sdl1[12] sdk1[10] sdj1[9] sdi1[8] sdh1[7] sdg1[6] sdf1[5] sde1[4] sdd1[3] sdc1[2] sdb1[1] sda3[0] |
| 02:45.26 | ericcardell | says they are all active |
| 02:45.28 | ericcardell | but |
| 02:45.55 | ericcardell | mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 02:45.57 | ericcardell | shows |
| 02:45.58 | ericcardell | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.00 | Orion_X11 | prgmrchris: yes. I have tried this. The error comes after running that command :-( |
| 02:46.03 | ericcardell | the rest are fine |
| 02:46.17 | ericcardell | but when i try to add it to the array i get this |
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| 02:46.29 | ericcardell | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdl1: Device or resource busy |
| 02:46.32 | prgmrchris | Orion_X11: try a differnet mirrior |
| 02:47.04 | eshaase | is there such thing as a standard packet tracing tool included by default in linux distributions? |
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| 02:47.50 | ericcardell | anybody ? |
| 02:48.43 | Orion_X11 | prgmrchris: I think there is nothing wrong with the mirror I only want to fix the MD5Sum mismatch |
| 02:48.55 | elmo40 | eshaase: packet tracing? something like ethereal? |
| 02:49.30 | Rooster1a3 | tcpdump? |
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| 02:53.49 | prgmrchris | Orion_X11: try apt-get clean then update again |
| 02:53.52 | prgmrchris | see if that helps maybe |
| 02:53.57 | prgmrchris | maybe the deb is cached or something |
| 02:54.18 | rio_ | someone involved in drbd= |
| 02:54.19 | rio_ | ? |
| 02:54.25 | Nyle | 1 |
| 02:54.35 | rio_ | problem: |
| 02:54.40 | Nyle | alt key |
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| 02:55.31 | rio_ | i just updated my drbd from 0.7 to 8, all seems ok... my mirror goes down and master /dev/drbd0 (primary and mounted) was very slow to responde/write |
| 02:55.45 | rio_ | with 0.7 nothing happens |
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| 02:56.31 | rio_ | sry 4 my english :D |
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| 02:57.02 | rio_ | it seems like with 8 i miss some ooptions to tell drbd that, if primary, stop waiting secondary |
| 02:57.10 | rio_ | else it seems to "lag" |
| 02:57.48 | Orion_X11 | prgmrchris: Thx. Solved the situation here :-) |
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| 02:58.48 | rio_ | well, ty anyway :D |
| 02:58.58 | eroi | Hi all. Aptitude tracks packages which are installed by the user compared to packages which are installed as dependencies. Is there a way to dump the list of packages on a system which were not installed as dependencies? |
| 03:00.37 | pleed | can anyone tell me how to create a subdomain in bind9 ? do i have to write it in the zone file for example.com or do i have to create an subdomain.example.com zone file? |
| 03:01.43 | eroi | I would create a subdomain zone file. |
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| 03:01.48 | abrotman | you would? |
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| 03:02.04 | eroi | Well, maybe it depends upon the size of the subdomain. |
| 03:02.12 | eroi | For anything of substantial size, yes. |
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| 03:03.13 | pleed | ok i try it thanks |
| 03:03.49 | abrotman | or ask #bind |
| 03:03.59 | prgmrchris | Orion_X11: what did you do |
| 03:04.01 | eroi | Yeah. They're probably more experienced. |
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| 03:05.30 | Orion_X11 | prgmrchris: apt-get clean; apt-get update :-) |
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| 03:09.44 | LiMaO | anyone else here getting poor sound performance with zsnes? |
| 03:10.11 | LiMaO | it happened with version 1.4x from the repo and also 1.5x compiled from source =/ |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | it's a freaking nintendo |
| 03:12.12 | robboplus_ | can you use any names for ip aliasing or does it have to go in some particular scheme and order like eth0:1, eth0:2 etc.? |
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| 03:13.37 | asg | abrotman: I always knew you were Luigi |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | asg: heh |
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| 03:20.07 | GhostlyDeath | how can I see my MAC? |
| 03:20.50 | asg | GhostlyDeath: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:21.07 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
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| 03:21.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghastly nick :) |
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| 03:21.39 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: and that's cuttin' yer own throat |
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| 03:24.12 | kaeles | I have an alpha server running sarge, if I apt-get install php5-mysql the .so should work with it, or do i need to recompile somewhere? |
| 03:24.55 | asg | kaeles: sarge doesn't come with php5 |
| 03:25.18 | kaeles | hmmm |
| 03:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | robboplus_: I had used eth0 and eth0:1 hm... I think it has to be eth0 (or whatever the name) and eth0:1, eth0:2 etc. |
| 03:25.30 | kaeles | I installed it though |
| 03:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | robboplus_: there is nothing else telling that it's just a 2nd interface on the same card.... |
| 03:25.50 | kaeles | mmm sarge is 3.1 and up? |
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| 03:26.07 | wols | kaeles: then you got it from somewhere else. gotdeb perhaps? |
| 03:26.12 | wols | erm, dotdeb |
| 03:26.15 | asg | kaeles: a backport perhaps. Either way, check /etc/php5/apache/php.ini and make sure the extension isn't commented out |
| 03:26.15 | robboplus | folks.. i can never ever remember how to ask ps aux to return a really long process path that gets cut in half with standard ps aux, anyone please? it was about vvv or something but can't figure it out |
| 03:26.17 | wols | kaeles: sarge is 3.1 and nothing else |
| 03:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | asg: right... but my nick is not ghastly - except if you purchase something from me :) |
| 03:26.39 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: I tend to avoid the wiggly bits |
| 03:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | asg: just bash 'em with the spoon until they stop wiggling |
| 03:27.29 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: or put some HP sauce on 'em |
| 03:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | risky :) |
| 03:27.54 | robboplus | thank you CutMeOwnThroat btw, i didn't notice your reply before |
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| 03:28.07 | kaeles | ok |
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| 03:28.09 | kaeles | i don' |
| 03:28.10 | kaeles | t |
| 03:28.23 | kaeles | err I don't have access to it atm, its at my buddies shop, I was just trying |
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| 03:28.34 | kaeles | but no, I apt-get install php5 and it installed it |
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| 03:28.43 | kaeles | the sources.list is what the base config installed |
| 03:28.55 | kaeles | unless im nuts |
| 03:28.57 | wols | kaeles: then it cannot be sarge |
| 03:28.57 | kaeles | which is possible |
| 03:29.16 | kaeles | ah |
| 03:29.17 | wols | php5 is not in sarge. maybe you run etch, 4.0? |
| 03:29.20 | kaeles | no |
| 03:29.25 | kaeles | its sarge, i installed it a year ago |
| 03:29.36 | kaeles | i probably just installed the php5-mysql |
| 03:29.38 | kaeles | and not php5 |
| 03:29.43 | kaeles | that explains alot |
| 03:29.50 | wols | kaeles: dpkg -l|grep php |
| 03:29.57 | wols | and there is no php5-mysql in sarge either |
| 03:30.02 | kaeles | mmm |
| 03:30.15 | kaeles | ok |
| 03:30.27 | elmo40_ | php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5 |
| 03:30.41 | kaeles | i swear its sarge, and i just apt-got php5-mysql like 10 mins ago when i was at the shop... |
| 03:30.47 | elmo40_ | in unstable, though |
| 03:31.01 | elmo40_ | Candidate: 5.2.4-2 |
| 03:31.01 | kaeles | it shouldn't be getting anything from unstable though |
| 03:31.12 | wols | you can swear whatever you want: either it's a backport, 3rd party repo or etch+ |
| 03:31.13 | asg | elmo40_: that's not sarge, please stop clouding the issue |
| 03:31.34 | elmo40_ | Candidate: 5.2.0-8+etch5~pu1 |
| 03:31.37 | elmo40_ | that is in etch |
| 03:31.45 | elmo40_ | ok, i shut up now... |
| 03:31.59 | wols | and with debian packages (from etch, which is all we can support), you don't need to recompile and usually not even edit config files |
| 03:33.22 | wols | if the host has a webserver, does it have an sshd too you can log in into? |
| 03:33.35 | kaeles | its on a private net atm |
| 03:33.45 | kaeles | gimme a few mins and i'll call him and set it up |
| 03:34.15 | kaeles_brb | thanks for trying to help though, i'll brb |
| 03:34.20 | wols | you can then run apt-cache policy php5-mysql and see where its from |
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| 03:35.26 | asmooh_ | my gdm isnt starting anymore |
| 03:35.41 | asmooh_ | and i cant remove microsoft font cores.. and cant download it |
| 03:35.43 | wols | asmooh_: check your xorg logs |
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| 03:37.07 | asmooh_ | wols, well it works when i type startx |
| 03:37.12 | asmooh_ | but not auto.. |
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| 03:39.01 | Tramp | asmooh_: can you /etc/init.d/gdm start? |
| 03:42.28 | prgmrchris | rofl |
| 03:42.43 | asBook | Tramp, |
| 03:42.48 | asBook | it did work.. |
| 03:42.49 | asBook | but |
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| 03:43.03 | asBook | its not starting from startup, AND i get an hal error |
| 03:43.30 | GhostlyDeath | What program is there for me to syn with my new Palm Pilot? |
| 03:43.58 | Tramp | asBook: Do you have the runlevel-links: "find /etc -name \*gdm"? |
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| 03:44.54 | asBook | tralala, i didnt change anything on my system only those stupit fonts |
| 03:45.13 | asBook | but anyway, is there a graphical way to resize my disk? |
| 03:45.21 | asBook | gparted cant? |
| 03:45.22 | wols | asBook: gparted |
| 03:45.39 | asBook | yea im looking in it.. |
| 03:45.45 | asBook | but i see no resize option |
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| 03:47.31 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: I used pilot-ling for my Clie, but the kernel-module regularly crashed my Laptop. May be different now. |
| 03:47.40 | Tramp | pilot-link that is |
| 03:48.26 | asBook | oh there is an lock with gparted |
| 03:48.31 | asBook | then i cant resize it? |
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| 03:49.00 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: found something for syncing but all i need to do is install apps now |
| 03:49.02 | wols | asBook: do you have the partition your want to resize mounted right now? |
| 03:49.06 | asBook | yea |
| 03:49.08 | asBook | its my / |
| 03:49.14 | wols | asBook: that'S why you can't |
| 03:49.19 | asBook | hm okay |
| 03:49.30 | wols | use a liveCD |
| 03:49.39 | asBook | then its going to be a reinstall day ;) |
| 03:50.51 | asBook | i really hate windows, but i need it to check how fasy my tuned cpu is |
| 03:51.01 | asBook | its slow, but i want to know how slow |
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| 03:51.24 | Tramp | GhostlyDeath: think that's pilot-xfer from pilot-link. |
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| 03:54.27 | asBook | wtf? i know windows sucks, but it cant even install on my pc ;x |
| 03:54.27 | GhostlyDeath | Tramp: I tested to see if dragging and dropping on the applet worked and it did |
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| 03:57.37 | wastrel | hrm, nvm i figured it out myself |
| 03:57.40 | quitte_ | Hi. I'm having trouble with compiz on a geforce 8600. the title bars of background windowsare invisible. |
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| 04:09.59 | astra-x | i am running testing on my sun blade 100 |
| 04:10.07 | astra-x | which has an ati rage mach 64 |
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| 04:10.24 | astra-x | yet i get an error "module mach64" not found |
| 04:11.26 | astra-x | plus it sends insane refresh rates to my monitor |
| 04:11.26 | astra-x | with x window system 1.3.0 |
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| 04:11.27 | ehc | is there a way to compare .odf or .pdf files with kdiff3 or kompare or another program> |
| 04:11.27 | ehc | ? |
| 04:12.15 | abrotman | astra-x: the 'ati' is supposed to pick .. but i don't seem to have a mach64 either |
| 04:13.10 | joshxx | hey guys i just added a sata drive into my existing system with 1 pata drive in it, it booted fine and i was able to partition it and format it but now when i reboot, it just hangs before the grub screen appears. do i need to change something in grub? |
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| 04:13.33 | abrotman | is it booting off the SATA ? |
| 04:13.41 | joshxx | no its just an additional drive |
| 04:13.49 | joshxx | all the os is on the papta |
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| 04:13.51 | joshxx | pata* |
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| 04:15.07 | joshxx | dunno why it booted fine before the drive was partitioned and formatted and not after |
| 04:16.15 | joshxx | argh |
| 04:16.28 | tnks | I'm trying to make a file image for Xen, and I created a blank file, losetup'd it, fdisk partitioned it, made the ext3 filesystem, and cp -rp'd a source root. |
| 04:16.37 | tnks | but to make it bootable, I need to install grub. |
| 04:16.43 | tnks | but I'm having a difficult time. |
| 04:16.53 | tnks | I feel I'm close, though. |
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| 04:24.37 | astra-x | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=465281 any problem with xorg is there |
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| 04:26.03 | rusty | http://tinyurl.com/249rjg |
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| 04:31.37 | HeatHawk[LI] | I have been messing around with some samba stuff, and all of my machines see the windows network, except for my Debian install, its running Lenny, and just wont show the real windows network, what am i missing? |
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| 04:32.06 | HeatHawk[LI] | Is there a hidden debian config file that denies windows networks? :p |
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| 04:32.46 | Nemoder | HeatHawk[LI]: how are you testing it? |
| 04:33.29 | HeatHawk[LI] | Nemoder, im trying to add my samba network printer and it wront browse the network, i tried doing smbclient -L on it, dosnt show up, says bad network name |
| 04:33.55 | HeatHawk[LI] | oh, hold on |
| 04:34.18 | Nemoder | you might try running smbtree to see if it picks up anything |
| 04:35.48 | HeatHawk[LI] | i think i got it, the vm was doing nat instead of bridged, putting the install on the wrong network |
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| 04:36.50 | HeatHawk[LI] | yup |
| 04:36.55 | HeatHawk[LI] | there we go, all is in order |
| 04:37.09 | HeatHawk[LI] | looks like ill be moving back to debian on that machine :D |
| 04:37.21 | Nemoder | :) |
| 04:38.02 | HeatHawk[LI] | i havent used it for 2 years (my printer had stopped working, couldnt figure it out), but its looks like i can safely move back and do all my stuff |
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| 04:42.58 | Cusoon959 | I'm having problems unraring a multirar archive. |
| 04:43.08 | Cusoon959 | I open the .rar up and it shows that nothing is in it... |
| 04:43.09 | Cusoon959 | :/ |
| 04:43.19 | Cusoon959 | It's a TV show |
| 04:43.35 | Cusoon959 | r00-r23 and a rar |
| 04:43.51 | simonrvn | you'll have to merge/join them first |
| 04:44.01 | Cusoon959 | :/ |
| 04:44.10 | Cusoon959 | I didn't have to do that with my other distro... |
| 04:44.17 | simonrvn | man rar should say how, or the --help |
| 04:44.29 | Cusoon959 | It extracted in Archive manager |
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| 04:49.10 | squisher | simonrvn, Cusoon959, no merging needed. Just 'rar x foo.rar', it'll find the next volume automatically |
| 04:49.22 | simonrvn | mm |
| 04:49.24 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 04:49.48 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:49.55 | simonrvn | hey |
| 04:49.59 | smultron | does debian use the user group 'sudo' instead of 'wheel'? |
| 04:50.01 | Nyle | my tummy hurts |
| 04:50.21 | Cusoon959 | thanks squisher |
| 04:50.32 | simonrvn | sudo isn't a group, though it can be. and wheel isn't used. |
| 04:50.39 | rahul | dumbass |
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| 04:50.48 | simonrvn | @ff rahul |
| 04:50.49 | ravenbird | rahul: fartfish |
| 04:51.04 | simonrvn | damn, darcs is slow |
| 04:51.06 | furrywolf | 1;2c/msg #cars I have a 100A 50mv shunt I'll sell for less than $82. :P |
| 04:51.09 | furrywolf | grr, wrong window |
| 04:51.25 | simonrvn | apparently |
| 04:51.28 | smultron | simonrvn: what group allows sudo? |
| 04:51.36 | simonrvn | it's not used |
| 04:51.39 | smultron | oh |
| 04:51.41 | Nyle | luhar |
| 04:51.43 | Nyle | lund |
| 04:51.46 | simonrvn | you configure sudo |
| 04:51.47 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:52.09 | Nyle | rahul: janab wali |
| 04:52.12 | smultron | oh, ok. thanks. |
| 04:52.18 | Nyle | hey simonrvn |
| 04:52.26 | simonrvn | @ff Nyle |
| 04:52.27 | ravenbird | Nyle: fartfish |
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| 04:52.58 | Nyle | "... I fart in your general direction..." |
| 04:53.05 | simonrvn | every time i do that it reminds me of a dobie we had a long time ago |
| 04:53.37 | bintut | is there such thing as dhcp offer prioritization? |
| 04:54.12 | simonrvn | i don't know but dhcpds can be made to be authoritative |
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| 04:54.21 | simonrvn | the isc ones anyway |
| 04:54.23 | rahul | fartfish reminds me of... hehehehe |
| 04:55.16 | simonrvn | that dog was such a sweetie. she was funny as hell. |
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| 04:55.49 | simonrvn | oh come on already darcs |
| 04:56.00 | bintut | the scenario is when adding another dhcp server on the lan that has an existing dhcp server yet the new dhcp server must be given with a higher priority when an identified range of mac addresses must use ip addresses from the new dhcp server? |
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| 04:56.42 | simonrvn | english please? |
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| 04:56.59 | peterrooney | bintut: who (client or server) should decide the priority? |
| 04:57.04 | simonrvn | rephrase that, structure was awful, sorry |
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| 04:57.23 | bintut | peterrooney: the new dhcp server |
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| 04:59.12 | peterrooney | so, you add a new server and it's going to bully the old one... humm. see what simonrvn thought. both need to be configured. |
| 04:59.25 | peterrooney | bintut: so, you add a new server and it's going to bully the old one... humm. see what simonrvn thought. both need to be configured. |
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| 05:00.16 | simonrvn | peterrooney: actually, what will happen is that they'll be contending for the responses from clients. the ISC DHCPds can be set up to make one "have final say" |
| 05:00.18 | bintut | dhcp servers sends broadcast offers.. i want to assure that when i attach the new dhcp server, it will be given the higher priority over the existing dhcp server for new clients who needs an ip address from the dhcp server |
| 05:00.20 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 05:00.45 | simonrvn | peterrooney: nm, you got that obviously ;) |
| 05:00.49 | simonrvn | bintut: ^^^ |
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| 05:03.02 | bintut | assuming that you don't have any rights to change the existing dhcp server.. or in short, you don't have to touch anything on the existing dhcp server.. imagine of adding clients and your new dhcp server that no one ever noticed it |
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| 05:04.31 | ericcardell | okay at first i setup raid for /dev/md0 |
| 05:04.38 | bintut | brb |
| 05:04.47 | ericcardell | i said the hell with it and just decided to mount each drive to its own mountpoint |
| 05:04.47 | bintut | need to take my meal |
| 05:04.56 | ericcardell | how can i get rid of that md0 so it doesn't try to load at boot ? |
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| 05:15.03 | latarsk1 | hi |
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| 05:16.13 | latarsk1 | when log out after setting a time (at ) 2 minutes job. the job doesn't run. am I doing something wrong ? |
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| 05:19.58 | d0uglas | Hey folks. I want to grep out an IP from all of my gunzipped rotated web logs to make one log file of this IPs behavior to webalize or whatever.. what command do i want to use? cat /var/log/ac*|grep 123.321.123 > something.. ? |
| 05:20.23 | d0uglas | err /var/log/apache/ac* .. |
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| 05:22.07 | Tramp | d0uglas: you don't need a cat to grep |
| 05:22.16 | d0uglas | noted |
| 05:22.35 | d0uglas | i want to create a new file though, not just view |
| 05:23.01 | awilcox | Is anyone else experiencing random krashes? |
| 05:23.02 | awilcox | er |
| 05:23.05 | awilcox | *crashes in KDE? |
| 05:23.25 | awilcox | I'm using Debian Etch 4.0 |
| 05:23.28 | Tramp | d0uglas: but for the rest - yes, just grep access*.log [IP] >file looks good. |
| 05:23.39 | d0uglas | k thanks man |
| 05:23.46 | d0uglas | i'm gonna grep this guy's ass |
| 05:23.52 | Tramp | d0uglas: actually grep [IP] access*.log is right |
| 05:24.12 | Tramp | first the pattern, then the files 8) |
| 05:24.20 | awilcox | Yes. |
| 05:25.02 | awilcox | grep 127.0.0.1 /var/log/apache/access*.log >> /home/d0uglas/127-0-0-1-log is what I'd use |
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| 05:27.06 | Tramp | d0uglas: and using zgrep you wouldn't have to unzip first. For very large files, the file-IO takes an order of magnitude more time than the on-the-fly unzipping. |
| 05:27.27 | simonrvn | !uuoc |
| 05:27.27 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 05:28.11 | d0uglas | heh yeah i'm guilty of that |
| 05:28.16 | d0uglas | thanks tramp that will come in handy |
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| 05:29.04 | d0uglas | i'm so oldschool i'm used to back in the day when we didn't have such grep/catting technological power |
| 05:29.24 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 05:38.05 | d0uglas | so if 21.0.0.0/8 covers 21.*.*.*, what /number do i need to cover 21.21.*.*? and 21.21.21.*? |
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| 05:40.53 | peterrooney | d0uglas: /16 and /24 |
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| 05:41.07 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 05:41.33 | d0uglas | gotta tighten my smtp relaying, dig |
| 05:42.38 | peterrooney | d0uglas: apt-get install gip ipcalc |
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| 05:42.43 | peterrooney | d0uglas: you're welcome |
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| 05:49.26 | _12inch | hey i just installed debian .. and i have this firmware update BIN file from dell ..... how do i actually "run" that ? |
| 05:50.01 | d0uglas | _12inch: chmod +x the file then execute it with ./ preceding the filename |
| 05:50.24 | _12inch | yah i did that |
| 05:50.26 | _12inch | hehe |
| 05:50.44 | d0uglas | 12 inch rims, yo? |
| 05:50.55 | _12inch | oh it says it cant find utilities on the system to execute the package !! |
| 05:50.56 | _12inch | oops |
| 05:51.09 | d0uglas | dell's handing out firmware updates for linux? hmm. |
| 05:51.16 | _12inch | ok ... so what should i install ? |
| 05:51.22 | d0uglas | does it specify what utilities it wants? |
| 05:51.23 | _12inch | i just did a BARE netinst |
| 05:51.26 | _12inch | nope |
| 05:51.29 | _12inch | i was hoping it would |
| 05:51.36 | _12inch | oh wait !! |
| 05:51.37 | _12inch | it does |
| 05:51.39 | _12inch | shit |
| 05:51.39 | _12inch | haha |
| 05:51.43 | d0uglas | lol. |
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| 05:53.26 | d0uglas | apt-get those muthas |
| 05:53.33 | _12inch | doing it already |
| 05:53.33 | _12inch | hehe |
| 05:53.55 | d0uglas | is you running screen so you can ctrl+a+a back and forth between apt and bitchx? |
| 05:54.02 | _12inch | nuh |
| 05:54.05 | _12inch | using mirc ! |
| 05:54.05 | d0uglas | man let me tell you that is so badass |
| 05:54.10 | _12inch | ssh to debian :P |
| 05:54.13 | d0uglas | oh you're killing me |
| 05:54.25 | _12inch | dont die ... youre helpful ! |
| 05:54.38 | d0uglas | at least say you're running mirc with wine |
| 05:54.55 | Nemoder | _12inch: some info here if you scroll down a bit http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/category/1021.aspx |
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| 05:56.09 | _12inch | says it cant find the package stty :( |
| 05:56.17 | _12inch | should i add another source somehow ? |
| 05:56.21 | _12inch | the ultimate source ! |
| 05:56.32 | _12inch | i removed the cdrom reference in sources.list |
| 05:56.34 | valdyn | _12inch: stty is not a package |
| 05:56.38 | _12inch | cuz i got sick of inserting it |
| 05:56.48 | _12inch | oh shit |
| 05:56.55 | _12inch | well wtf is it telling me to install it for |
| 05:56.56 | _12inch | wait |
| 05:57.02 | _12inch | it just says make sure its in the patrh |
| 05:57.05 | _12inch | of course it is !! |
| 05:57.20 | _12inch | whereis stty |
| 05:57.25 | _12inch | see i am smarter than debian ! |
| 05:57.57 | d0uglas | man you like your firmware up to date |
| 05:57.57 | Nemoder | stty is part of coreutils and should be installed already |
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| 05:59.00 | d0uglas | how complicated is it to get apache to give a certain visitor a surprise? iow redirect to another page for a specified ip |
| 05:59.31 | simonrvn | mod_rewrite docs speak of such arcane lore |
| 05:59.51 | d0uglas | ahh mod rewrite .. nevermind then :) |
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| 06:02.06 | d0uglas | on a recent update/upgrade apt "urged" me to reboot. forgot the exact message/package but it had something to do with a kernel, though it said it was a duplicate or something alone those lines. i really dont want to lose my uptime |
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| 06:02.27 | d0uglas | s/alone/along |
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| 06:03.20 | simonrvn | uh, screw uptime |
| 06:04.06 | simonrvn | you will have to reboot |
| 06:04.21 | d0uglas | okay but don't tell netcraft |
| 06:04.26 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 06:04.27 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 06:04.44 | d0uglas | !chumps |
| 06:04.53 | simonrvn | it's a kernel change/upgrade |
| 06:04.59 | liable | d0uglas: it would have been a kernel upgrade, and the whole point is security. no point having a box thats been up a year if its sending 100 spam mails a second |
| 06:05.45 | d0uglas | i suppose but .. it hurts. |
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| 06:06.12 | simonrvn | and has 13 remote root exploits... |
| 06:06.16 | spx2 | how do I find out my exact kde version ? |
| 06:06.21 | _12inch | ok so it says i need "lockfile" |
| 06:06.46 | _12inch | and i got liblockfile there |
| 06:07.13 | d0uglas | no one reads the things i've /msged to dpkg over the years right |
| 06:07.20 | simonrvn | !tell _12inch -about search |
| 06:07.22 | liable | cept don |
| 06:07.46 | simonrvn | or whomever has been sniffing you ;p |
| 06:07.59 | spx2 | oh nevermind |
| 06:08.37 | _12inch | well then |
| 06:08.39 | spx2 | how do I see wich kind of debian do I have? |
| 06:08.43 | _12inch | i bet i need liblockfile-dev |
| 06:08.45 | _12inch | nice ! |
| 06:08.48 | streuner_ | spx2: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:08.50 | spx2 | if stable or testing .. ? |
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| 06:09.08 | streuner_ | spx2: look at libc6 and sources.list |
| 06:09.11 | spx2 | 2.6.1-1+b1 |
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| 06:09.25 | mikefoo | Anyone run xen here? |
| 06:09.26 | streuner_ | old version of testing/lenny |
| 06:09.37 | spx2 | streuner_, ok thx |
| 06:10.35 | streuner_ | look into sources.list too... |
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| 06:11.16 | spx2 | okay |
| 06:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that dpkg-line about rebooting isn't too smart... at the moment I have to reboot every day (good that it's the laptop) |
| 06:12.00 | _12inch | oh man :( |
| 06:12.48 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: no, it does need some tweaking. it is right about not *having* to reboot for every little thing |
| 06:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | very true |
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| 06:14.49 | _12inch | ok so i got this |
| 06:14.51 | _12inch | Make sure the following utilities are in the path: |
| 06:14.51 | _12inch | sed stty cut fmt stat look lockfile tail rm mkdir mktemp chmod ls basename dirname sleep |
| 06:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but until I get too sick of it and see if the other/newer way to do it works, I'll have to reboot for *that* little thing everytime it breaks (which it does often) |
| 06:15.05 | _12inch | anbd everything except for "lockfile" exists .. and is in the current path |
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| 06:15.29 | _12inch | and i installed liblockfile1, liblockfile-dev .. lockfile-progs |
| 06:15.40 | _12inch | anytrhing in apt that had lockfile in it |
| 06:15.45 | _12inch | still crapping at me ! |
| 06:15.50 | _12inch | any suggestions ? :) |
| 06:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | _12inch: just call those programs manually to see if they're there |
| 06:16.18 | _12inch | they are |
| 06:16.21 | _12inch | i do a whereis |
| 06:16.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's something else :) |
| 06:16.25 | _12inch | and it shows theior location |
| 06:16.35 | _12inch | cept lockfile |
| 06:16.41 | _12inch | theres no utility called that |
| 06:16.47 | mazlee | hey,guys. is there any easy ways to make a bootable usb pen debian with gnome desktop? |
| 06:16.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | use "type" instead of whereis under bash |
| 06:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | whereis finds things that are not in your path |
| 06:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | use "which" if you're using tcsh |
| 06:17.29 | d0uglas | you know how in the movies whenever a screen scrolls a little it makes some high pitched techno-elite sound? i want to apt-get me something that does that. |
| 06:17.49 | _12inch | well they are there |
| 06:17.58 | mikefoo | Anyone run xen here? |
| 06:18.02 | _12inch | like /bin/sed |
| 06:18.06 | _12inch | etc |
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| 06:18.55 | _12inch | theres something called dotlockfile |
| 06:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | your .bin file is probably a shell script |
| 06:19.05 | _12inch | maybe ill just symlink that |
| 06:19.13 | _12inch | yes its a script |
| 06:19.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could also run it with sh -x xyz.bin |
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| 06:20.04 | mazlee | hey,guys. is there any easy ways to make a bootable usb pen debian with gnome desktop? |
| 06:20.28 | d0uglas | gnoppix? |
| 06:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | mazlee: just install it on there and configure it the way you want, afaik |
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| 06:21.05 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: no more extra configure? |
| 06:21.22 | mazlee | d0uglas: any website? |
| 06:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | never done it, but I think there's not really a difference between normal HD's and a stick - except that you have to make the bios boot from it (?) |
| 06:21.40 | d0uglas | yeah http://gnoppix.org |
| 06:22.00 | mazlee | d0uglas: thanks a lot ^_^ |
| 06:22.09 | streuner_ | dOuglas: ever read /topic? :-) |
| 06:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, these things are so cheap now, I should probably try |
| 06:22.16 | d0uglas | no.. hang on |
| 06:22.24 | streuner_ | haha |
| 06:22.46 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: I want have a my own working envirment in 265M usb pen |
| 06:23.25 | d0uglas | big on the caps, whoever writes these /topics |
| 06:23.45 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: i always move from one pc to another. |
| 06:24.09 | d0uglas | my psychological profiling techniques (acquired from watching too many Criminal Minds episodes) suggests that whoever wrote the /topic last was ... frustrated. |
| 06:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, 256M is a bit smallish... |
| 06:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think a guy bought a 4GB stick for... something 30 dollarish? |
| 06:24.58 | d0uglas | our unsub is a frustrated white male average height and age, may or may not be in possession of 2600 backissues |
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| 06:25.03 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: what about 512M or 1G? |
| 06:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | mazlee: knoppix is on one CD - gnoppix probably also... |
| 06:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's 750M |
| 06:26.10 | d0uglas | there's always minix |
| 06:26.42 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: .err....it seems i have to get a bigger one |
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| 06:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think a normal install was always around 1GB? |
| 06:28.26 | streuner_ | no |
| 06:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you'd also want to have your data on it? |
| 06:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner_: what's it today :) |
| 06:28.41 | streuner_ | if you dont need X 500 MB are *very* fine |
| 06:28.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner_: he said "gnome" |
| 06:29.11 | streuner_ | but DE's tends to need lots of space |
| 06:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner_: good trick running that one without X |
| 06:29.16 | streuner_ | oh :_) |
| 06:29.37 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah,and my docs and sheets on it |
| 06:29.51 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have mounted a fat32 partition in my fstab file, I'm able to write files there as user, but I cannot overwrite files as user, just as root, this is my fstab file http://pastebin.ca/814365 any clue? |
| 06:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | just looked it up - he bought it from amazon - it's $30 for 4GB... |
| 06:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be plenty :) |
| 06:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're not also storing films on it, that is *g* |
| 06:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... I should get one of those |
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| 06:30.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a kingston 4GB stick... what more can one want |
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| 06:31.07 | mazlee | streuner_: a X maybe look more cool i think |
| 06:32.29 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: I already have a windows version like this: www.portableapps.com |
| 06:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, that PRETEC 1GB BulletProof USB stick looks pretty cool... pity it's also $30 for just 1GB... |
| 06:33.40 | d0uglas | 1GB? that's more than enough to house the exif data of the jpeg portion of my pron |
| 06:34.14 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: 4G teclast USB pen 199RMB here = 26.5USD |
| 06:34.26 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: in my place |
| 06:34.40 | mazlee | d0uglas: -_-! |
| 06:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | where's that? |
| 06:35.07 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: China |
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| 06:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh :) |
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| 06:35.56 | sigmon | Yo! |
| 06:36.14 | sigmon | Does anyone know of some software to index your music and present it on a web page? |
| 06:36.19 | sigmon | like a web based juke box |
| 06:36.28 | mazlee | CutMeOwnThroat: the lite version of porableapps only cost me 96MB |
| 06:36.41 | d0uglas | holla sigMON!! |
| 06:37.02 | sigmon | evening d0uglas |
| 06:37.46 | simonrvn | !tell sigmon -about search |
| 06:38.10 | mazlee | sigmon: set a ftp server on you pc ,and firefox : ftp://localhost/yourmusicfolder/ |
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| 06:38.29 | mazlee | sigmon: then it indexed;-) |
| 06:38.37 | evilsporkman | kioslaves seem to be misbehaving badly on lenny... |
| 06:38.50 | evilsporkman | whoops, wrong channel, my bad |
| 06:38.55 | sigmon | heh, I was hoping for search/sorting/playlist, ya know. a jukebox |
| 06:39.09 | sigmon | i'm too lazy to google |
| 06:39.15 | d0uglas | sigmon maybe there's some xmms plugin to do the trick dynamically, yo |
| 06:39.33 | simonrvn | sigmon: also too lazy to read the factoid, too |
| 06:40.26 | sigmon | my mom always says, "if you don't have anything nice to say..." simonrvn |
| 06:40.49 | simonrvn | truth hurts i guess. and i was being nice. |
| 06:40.57 | sigmon | lol |
| 06:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo '<html><head></head><body>';find . -name \*.mp3 |sed 'sX^\(.*\)$X<a href="\1">\1</a><br>\nX/' |
| 06:41.37 | \amethyst | sigmon: aptitude search ~dplaylist~dweb shows ampache |
| 06:41.40 | simonrvn | you said it yourself. you opened *that* door ;) |
| 06:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, |
| 06:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigmon echo '<html><head></head><body>';find . -name \*.mp3 |sed 'sX^\(.*\)$X<a href="\1">\1</a><br>\nX/' > mymp3.html |
| 06:42.08 | d0uglas | CutMeOwnThroat: nice. |
| 06:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops |
| 06:42.22 | sigmon | seriously :) |
| 06:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | forgot to close the body and html tag |
| 06:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'll leave that as an excercise |
| 06:42.39 | d0uglas | ahh those tags.. who cares about those tags |
| 06:42.48 | Noboru | i have an english question please |
| 06:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | exercise |
| 06:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, and it must be '&&' instead of ';' between the echo and the find |
| 06:43.55 | Noboru | maximal 3 requests per second and 3 open connections for any remote client,i do not understand |
| 06:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | or brackets around them so they both go into the file |
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| 06:44.38 | Noboru | i tested it,if i set the second one to 1,then i can only download from server once in a time |
| 06:44.44 | subha | hi all |
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| 06:44.55 | Noboru | but what does that first one mean ? xx requests per second ? |
| 06:45.52 | lonejack | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.53 | peterrooney | Noboru: means that in one second only three requests can be serviced OR only three requests will be serviced |
| 06:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: not faster than that if you get rejected |
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| 06:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Of course also not faster if you're accepted... but for that to be an issue, the requests would need to be serviced really fast |
| 06:47.32 | subha | i have been gatting some problem from sudo.I want to give permission of a user (subha) to run mountall from the terminal.so in /etc/sudoers i changed to subha localhost=/usr/sbin/mountall |
| 06:47.37 | simonrvn | lonejack: um |
| 06:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooops ;) |
| 06:48.11 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:48.11 | subha | is it ok? but i am getting error like unknown id mountall |
| 06:48.40 | simonrvn | !sudoers |
| 06:48.41 | dpkg | from memory, sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 06:48.51 | simonrvn | !visudo |
| 06:48.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
| 06:49.33 | subha | hi dpkg |
| 06:49.58 | subha | i havebeen doing the same thing what is there in manual |
| 06:50.26 | subha | usrname machinename=comman-name |
| 06:50.30 | Noboru | peterrooney, hi |
| 06:50.35 | subha | that's the syntax |
| 06:50.46 | Noboru | peterrooney, sorry,my irc was lagging. |
| 06:50.57 | Noboru | peterrooney, i still do not understand the differences. |
| 06:51.18 | subha | and i wnat to give permission for some specific commands |
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| 06:51.31 | Noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.57 | Noboru | what is the differences ? |
| 06:52.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: you may not open more than 3 connections per second and you can only have 3 conenctions open at the same time |
| 06:52.19 | simonrvn | subha: well you haven't, since it's saying "unknown id mountall" |
| 06:52.36 | simonrvn | subha: and you really really should edit sudoers with visudo |
| 06:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: if the connections are closed in 5 ms after opening, you can request many connections per second |
| 06:52.54 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, i read ,but the fact is, would you explain more or give me an example ?i really am confused. |
| 06:52.55 | subha | simonrvn:i used visudo only |
| 06:53.04 | simonrvn | ok good |
| 06:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: I just did :) |
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| 06:53.37 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, the second one i understood, for example i can only download 2 files from the server at one time |
| 06:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: you open 3 connections at the "same time" (within 1 ms), and they are all closed again withing 20 ms... then you have to wait 1 second until you can open another one |
| 06:53.43 | Noboru | but how about the first one ? |
| 06:53.48 | subha | and i commented all the lines in the /etc/sudoers except that specific line what i added |
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| 06:54.42 | Noboru | what does that 'connections' stand for in this matter ? |
| 06:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 06:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | use a dictionary? |
| 06:54.59 | simonrvn | hm |
| 06:54.59 | \amethyst | Noboru: each file you download, usually, is a connection |
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| 06:55.01 | simonrvn | !sudo |
| 06:55.02 | dpkg | i heard sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 06:55.13 | simonrvn | subha: ^^^ go see that site |
| 06:55.19 | Noboru | \amethyst, then those two seem are same ? |
| 06:55.36 | \amethyst | Noboru: suppose you can download a file in 1/10 of a second |
| 06:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: not necessarily |
| 06:55.58 | \amethyst | Noboru: then, if the only rule were the second rule, you could download 10 or 20 files in a second |
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| 06:56.24 | \amethyst | Noboru: however, since at most three connections are allowed per second, you can only download 3 files |
| 06:56.42 | subha | thanks dpkg.. |
| 06:56.42 | dpkg | subha: sure thing |
| 06:56.53 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, or it means, the first one work for 'how many requestion can be accepted in 1 second ,the second one means how many connections that are established can be accepted ' ? |
| 06:57.12 | subha | but is there any way to set this kind of permissions from the gnome itself |
| 06:57.19 | Noboru | i mean,the first one is 'how many connecting request can be accepted' |
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| 06:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: you could say it like that |
| 06:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: but if you have problems understanding what a connection is, then that is your basic problem in that matter :) |
| 06:58.10 | \amethyst | Noboru: In one case it asks "how many connections do you have active?". In the other it asks "how many connections have you *started* in the past second" |
| 06:58.51 | \amethyst | read: "how many files are you downloading right now?" and "how many downloads have you started in the past second?" |
| 06:59.03 | \amethyst | see the difference? |
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| 06:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: well done :) |
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| 07:00.41 | orveldv | I'm running into a lot of problems, can someone using Etch please do "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range" on your system? |
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| 07:00.59 | \amethyst | orveldv: 32768 61000 |
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| 07:01.15 | jan | does "mono" package contains a small compiler inside? |
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| 07:01.56 | Zippy2 | it's what I have |
| 07:01.59 | Zippy2 | in lenny |
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| 07:02.15 | orveldv | \amethyst: thanks, that's normal ; then why the heck it's 2048 4999 on my system? |
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| 07:02.35 | \amethyst | orveldv: strangeness |
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| 07:02.53 | simonrvn | hm, ok |
| 07:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: it is the same value for me - |
| 07:03.09 | \amethyst | jan: no, the mono package is just a metapackage |
| 07:03.13 | simonrvn | i must've forgotten i changed it :) |
| 07:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's that supposed to do anyways? |
| 07:03.42 | \amethyst | jan: the C# compiler is in mono-mcs |
| 07:03.47 | simonrvn | i did. d'oh! |
| 07:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... why does it start at 32768 if it's doing what its name suggests |
| 07:04.03 | simonrvn | n sysctl.conf |
| 07:04.07 | jan | \amethyst: well what about mono-common Mono provides a complete CLR (Common Language Runtime) including compiler |
| 07:04.09 | simonrvn | in* |
| 07:04.18 | Mondragon | Any charitable fool want to help me figure out this new fangled initrd nonsense? |
| 07:04.28 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: it is the port range for the local end of outgoing connections |
| 07:04.39 | jan | \amethyst: if i would install "mono" it means that anyone could compile the programs written in C |
| 07:05.33 | \amethyst | jan: No, mono itself only installs mono-jit, not a compiler |
| 07:05.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst: I'd have guessed it'd start at 1025 ("all unprivileged ports"), but I guess avoiding the crowd makes sense |
| 07:06.47 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: if you did that, you would have problems when a daemon wants a port, but some web browser is using it |
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| 07:07.04 | muh2000 | wtf updatedb does not recognize settings in /etc/updatede.conf :( |
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| 07:08.17 | HeatHawk[AP] | anyone using mythtv and ivtv on lenny? im getting horrible quality |
| 07:08.57 | robboplus | hmm... how is that possible that ping gives much lower latency than mtr to the same host in remote network? |
| 07:09.21 | robboplus | isn't mtr reliable then? or is ping telling lies? |
| 07:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | muh2000: updatedb.conf instead of updatede.conf? |
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| 07:19.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | muh2000: the file exists for me although it never touched it... |
| 07:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | night |
| 07:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | (i.e. so it should work) |
| 07:20.23 | muh2000 | i only pruned some pathes little time ago.. |
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| 07:21.09 | muh2000 | but something strange went on. today the file was renamed to something updatedb.conf.dpkg-bak (or similar) |
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| 07:21.55 | muh2000 | i did mv updatedb.conf.dpkg-bak updatedb.conf to bring it back into place but since then, no recognition of it |
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| 07:27.02 | simonrvn | !tell root_ -about root |
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| 07:37.11 | marvxxx | good morning. have a problem with the security variable. when i declare sercurity=user in the global section it doesnt matter no more if i declare security=share in a share section. its a debian etch box. |
| 07:37.46 | robboplus | is there a smart way of creating 10MB file filled with random data? |
| 07:38.22 | marvxxx | robboplus: yes...with dd but dont ask me how exactly |
| 07:38.47 | robboplus | thank you marvxxx, will dig into it |
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| 07:39.20 | simonrvn | using /dev/urandom and dd, with bs= and somethingelse= |
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| 07:41.41 | robboplus | thank you simonrvn! |
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| 07:44.21 | jelly-home | WHERE somethingelse = 'count'; |
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| 07:44.32 | robboplus | that's right ;) |
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| 07:45.55 | robboplus | 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 2.14682 seconds, 4.9 MB/s |
| 07:46.05 | robboplus | dd if=/dev/urandom of=TEST_10MB bs=1024 count=10240 |
| 07:46.13 | robboplus | isn't it a bit slow folks? |
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| 07:46.36 | simonrvn | um |
| 07:47.26 | Zippy2 | robboplus: slow for what. you know thats taking from your processor and the entropy pool right? |
| 07:47.56 | robboplus | hm yes indeed. |
| 07:48.05 | Zippy2 | so how fast should it be? |
| 07:48.08 | robboplus | but still 4.9MB/s... |
| 07:48.24 | simonrvn | urandom not random |
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| 07:48.50 | robboplus | that's what i used simonrvn |
| 07:48.58 | simonrvn | that was for Zippy2 |
| 07:48.58 | vetri | how to configure scramdisk |
| 07:49.13 | robboplus | oh true simonrvn |
| 07:49.29 | dto | dpkg: tell me about installing fonts |
| 07:50.00 | vetri | how does encryption work |
| 07:50.10 | simonrvn | depends |
| 07:50.35 | Zippy2 | simonrvn: true, mixed them up |
| 07:52.32 | dto | where should I put a truetype font? in ~/.fonts? i tried googling around but some of the top links were very old? |
| 07:53.24 | simonrvn | sure, then run fc-cache -vf (v not necessary) |
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| 07:54.03 | dto | simonrvn: ok hold on |
| 07:54.48 | dto | simonrvn: thank you |
| 07:55.04 | dto | do i need to restart anything? |
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| 07:57.49 | simonrvn | dto: depends |
| 07:57.53 | simonrvn | later |
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| 08:07.11 | fyrestrtr | I'm having a bit of a routing issue. Two ethernet cards, both DHCP. One is 192.168.131.65 (eth0), the other 10.100.13.14 (eth1) -- I want all Internet traffic to be routed on eth0 since eth1 has no route out. |
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| 08:08.24 | suppaman | hi |
| 08:08.36 | suppaman | further issue with my debian |
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| 08:08.46 | liable | set it as the default gateway, and a route for just the 192 subnet for the other card |
| 08:09.24 | suppaman | the system now starts (it has a screwed initrd) but the rt2400 driver for the wifi card isn't available anymore, as it's a 3rd party module and was built against the previous kernel using module-assistant |
| 08:09.50 | suppaman | now I should compile it again but the compilation breaks, register are dumped on screen and the whole system hangs up |
| 08:09.51 | liable | you are going to have to build it again if its a new kernel |
| 08:09.54 | fyrestrtr | liable: the 'how' is what I'm after :) |
| 08:09.58 | suppaman | liable: it is |
| 08:10.09 | liable | fyrestrtr: man route has examples |
| 08:10.40 | liable | suppaman: see if theres a newer source package for the rt |
| 08:10.46 | suppaman | but I have the following problem too, I've connected the box to another computer and I'm masquerading the connection |
| 08:10.59 | fyrestrtr | liable: right now I have two default gateways |
| 08:11.04 | suppaman | when I add a route rule to reach the repositories I get this: |
| 08:11.16 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/unir2g91.html |
| 08:11.19 | liable | fyrestrtr: so delete one route, and make it just route to the 192 subnet |
| 08:11.28 | suppaman | pretty annonying, this is my actual dmesg|tail |
| 08:11.31 | fyrestrtr | if i delete the one for 10.100, will it prevent me from connecting to other clients on 10.100 ? |
| 08:11.38 | suppaman | I get a lot of these until I remove the rule |
| 08:12.01 | liable | fyrestrtr: i thought that was the one with the net access? |
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| 08:12.20 | fyrestrtr | no, net is on 192, 10 is only local vnet |
| 08:12.34 | fyrestrtr | right now I can't get out to the net. |
| 08:12.40 | liable | fyrestrtr: delete it as default gateway, and make a route just for that subnet |
| 08:12.43 | fyrestrtr | if I disable 10.100, I can reach the net. |
| 08:12.49 | CryoVenom | hey, is there any site you guys would suggest that I could read up on the NVidia and ATI drivers |
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| 08:13.32 | liable | fyrestrtr: man route has the exact example you are looking for.. |
| 08:13.44 | fyrestrtr | reading it |
| 08:13.46 | suppaman | CryoVenom: it depends on what you're searching for |
| 08:13.49 | liable | except the ip is different |
| 08:14.20 | CryoVenom | suppaman: Pretty much just general information |
| 08:14.52 | suppaman | CryoVenom: I can't help |
| 08:15.01 | CryoVenom | suppaman: k |
| 08:15.18 | suppaman | CryoVenom: but again I think you're searching for a specific topic |
| 08:15.28 | netgear | anyone know how to set wine resoltion and desktop size? wine -desktop 800x600 doesnt work |
| 08:15.29 | suppaman | like X architecture or GL extension or so |
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| 08:16.57 | suppaman | liable: any hint about the dump ? I don't even know exactly what it is, seem an eth dump |
| 08:17.18 | CryoVenom | suppaman: I'm new to Linux and I heard that the NVidia cards tend to work better or something, so pretty much I'm curious about what they're up to with the drivers, I don't really have any specifics hehe :P maybe I could start with the differences..like performance wise..driver related though |
| 08:17.24 | suppaman | liable: ah I see one of the dest address has a porn website, this have to be that damn emule |
| 08:18.07 | suppaman | CryoVenom: afair nvidia had a wider support and more sources, for ati until a certain (old) card there's a opensource driver , I dunno if it'll do 3d though. |
| 08:18.31 | suppaman | atm AMD (who owns ATI) planned a long term opensource driver |
| 08:18.42 | dalias | lol "long term" |
| 08:18.50 | dalias | that's just a publicity stunt |
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| 08:19.13 | suppaman | dalias: as in "starting it from scratch" and in "we'll do 2d only at first, but 3d will be added before you die" |
| 08:19.22 | CryoVenom | would be nice to have a linux driver from ATI directly :P |
| 08:19.30 | dalias | why? |
| 08:19.31 | suppaman | CryoVenom: don't rely on it |
| 08:19.41 | dalias | drivers from the manufacturer are almost always poor quality |
| 08:20.00 | dalias | due to both general incompetence and cutting corners trying to get more performance |
| 08:20.36 | Nemoder | netgear: winecfg |
| 08:21.07 | netgear | i can only see part of winecfg in wine |
| 08:21.30 | CryoVenom | how do I check what driver I'm using right now? |
| 08:21.33 | fyrestrtr | liable, can you help me out please -- I am unable to delete the default gateway from eth1 -- sudo route del -net 10.100.13.254 default gw eth1 ?? |
| 08:21.37 | CryoVenom | I have an ATI card |
| 08:21.41 | Nemoder | winecfg runs in a window, maybe your X server has too low a res? |
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| 08:21.56 | netgear | no x is at 1068x1050 |
| 08:22.25 | netgear | i cannot resize wine window or be able to see wincfg app completely |
| 08:23.07 | CryoVenom | suppaman: How do I check what driver I'm using? |
| 08:23.08 | suppaman | is this routing table wrong ? http://rafb.net/p/05S6fo48.html |
| 08:23.16 | suppaman | CryoVenom: in what context ? |
| 08:24.00 | Nemoder | netgear: well you can try editing the files in ~/.wine I guess |
| 08:24.11 | CryoVenom | suppaman: Like...what the driver name is and what version. Am I guaranteed to have an ATI driver that's up to date if I installed a new debian? |
| 08:24.22 | netgear | Nemoder, you use wine? |
| 08:24.30 | Nemoder | netgear: sometimes |
| 08:24.31 | suppaman | CryoVenom: so you're talking about X |
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| 08:24.37 | suppaman | I'd look at X log |
| 08:24.40 | CryoVenom | suppaman: I'm not sure |
| 08:24.50 | CryoVenom | suppaman: I'm still learning how everything is set up |
| 08:24.52 | suppaman | I won't guarantee you anything |
| 08:25.03 | suppaman | I've still problem fixing my box |
| 08:25.07 | suppaman | problems* |
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| 08:25.21 | suppaman | X is the graphicals system, the widely spread at least |
| 08:25.23 | netgear | Nemoder, what files you talking about? |
| 08:25.34 | suppaman | CryoVenom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System |
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| 08:26.30 | liable | fyrestrtr: you work it out? |
| 08:26.31 | suppaman | CryoVenom: probably when talking about driver you're talking about X driver for a video card, it's in a /etc/X11/*config file, there is one (at leats) "driver" directive |
| 08:26.45 | fyrestrtr | liable: no, working around it. |
| 08:27.12 | CryoVenom | suppaman: K, I'll take a look |
| 08:27.21 | liable | fyrestrtr: route del -net default gw 10.100.13.254 dev eth1 |
| 08:27.32 | suppaman | I'm pretty lost, can anyone help me fixing the eth issue ? |
| 08:27.34 | Nemoder | netgear: the user.reg file holds the winecfg data now I believe |
| 08:27.35 | netgear | Nemoder, can you do wine --version for me? |
| 08:27.49 | vetri | how to configure scramdisk |
| 08:27.50 | suppaman | it should be the easiest setup, but it's giving that weird console dump |
| 08:27.57 | Nemoder | netgear: wine-0.9.49, I use the repositories from winehq |
| 08:27.57 | suppaman | it's a Via RHINE-III eth. card |
| 08:28.09 | vetri | i want to encryted my harddisk |
| 08:28.32 | suppaman | to encrypt |
| 08:28.44 | suppaman | vetri: there are crypted fs, afair |
| 08:28.51 | fyrestrtr | liable: I had the right options, but in the wrong order. |
| 08:29.00 | Nemoder | netgear: the user.reg has the line [Software\\Wine\\X11 Driver] which holds the resolution |
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| 08:29.02 | liable | fyrestrtr: yeah, its picky like that |
| 08:29.05 | CryoVenom | suppaman: There's no Driver section in my Xorg.conf although it tell me what graphics card I have |
| 08:29.24 | fyrestrtr | liable: thanks for the tip. |
| 08:29.26 | suppaman | CryoVenom it won't, it's a config file |
| 08:29.37 | liable | suppaman: that just looks like iptables dropping packets |
| 08:29.38 | suppaman | CryoVenom: to see what card you actually have use lspci or similar command |
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| 08:29.51 | Guerin | driver is not a section |
| 08:30.03 | Guerin | it's a single entry, which exists within a section |
| 08:30.11 | vetri | suppaman,to encrypt |
| 08:30.14 | CryoVenom | Guerin: I see it now, it just says ati |
| 08:30.17 | suppaman | liable: so it' s due to masquerading somehow ? |
| 08:30.19 | suppaman | ah I see |
| 08:30.25 | suppaman | how do I turn off masquerading at all ? |
| 08:30.33 | suppaman | like echoing '0' insome /proc/ file |
| 08:30.46 | Guerin | suppaman: man iptables |
| 08:30.48 | suppaman | I was using the iface to route a subnet before |
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| 08:31.18 | suppaman | Guerin: you're not a mercyful person... |
| 08:31.30 | Guerin | suppaman: I have mercy on those who deserve it |
| 08:31.51 | suppaman | Guerin: just to be clear, it was a joke |
| 08:31.58 | fyrestrtr | liable: now I can't ping 10.100.13.14 from 192.* addresses |
| 08:31.58 | suppaman | and I deserve it |
| 08:32.01 | Guerin | thank you, Captain Obvious |
| 08:32.22 | netgear | Nemoder, what is your apt-sources if i can ask? |
| 08:32.28 | suppaman | so ironic neither.. |
| 08:32.31 | Gokee2 | Anyone know why Reading database would take really really long when apt-getting something? Is it just I have a lot of packages installed? It takes about a min or two |
| 08:32.40 | Nemoder | netgear: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main |
| 08:33.00 | netgear | is that stable or not really? |
| 08:33.09 | Nemoder | well I run Lenny |
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| 08:33.17 | Nemoder | but I think it's built against stable |
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| 08:33.32 | netgear | i use etch and only want stable things |
| 08:33.42 | netgear | so you think i can add that line? |
| 08:33.58 | Nemoder | yeah it will work, although I don't know if you can call anything that uses wine 'stable' :) |
| 08:34.08 | liable | fyrestrtr: thats expected. you need a route from the other card to that subnet |
| 08:34.13 | netgear | Nemoder, :) thanks |
| 08:34.45 | fyrestrtr | liable: well, without deleting the gateway, I can ping across nets, but debian cannot get out. |
| 08:35.08 | fyrestrtr | liable: now, debian can get out -- but its unreachable from anything but the 10.100. net. |
| 08:35.09 | liable | thats because you have two routes |
| 08:35.28 | liable | put your route output to pastebin |
| 08:35.33 | fyrestrtr | ok |
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| 08:39.01 | netgear | Nemoder, according to apt-get i get 404 Not Found |
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| 08:39.30 | fyrestrtr | liable: http://paste.debian.net/44792 |
| 08:39.40 | Nemoder | netgear: typo? it works here.. |
| 08:39.54 | netgear | no i pasted |
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| 08:40.45 | Nemoder | netgear: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 08:40.59 | netgear | i tried again now |
| 08:41.01 | netgear | it works |
| 08:41.26 | netgear | no it doesnt public key is not available |
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| 08:41.53 | Nemoder | netgear: check that link there, it shows where to get the key |
| 08:42.29 | netgear | ok, why do they use a key? |
| 08:43.06 | liable | fyrestrtr: what command did you use to add that route? |
| 08:43.31 | fyrestrtr | liable: I didn't add any route? |
| 08:43.33 | Nemoder | netgear: most repositories do now |
| 08:44.18 | liable | fyrestrtr: which subnet is it pingable from? |
| 08:44.19 | fyrestrtr | liable: let me restart the machine and reset the routes to default. This is the route now with the default gateway removed. |
| 08:44.24 | fyrestrtr | 10.100. |
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| 08:44.43 | liable | and it can acces the net but not the 192 subnet? |
| 08:44.48 | fyrestrtr | yeap |
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| 08:45.05 | liable | thats odd, because the 192 router is the default gw.. |
| 08:45.07 | netgear | Nemoder, you know much about repositories? |
| 08:45.11 | fyrestrtr | no, any machine on 192.* cannot ping 10.100.13.14 |
| 08:45.39 | Nemoder | netgear: I've never set one up before if that's what you're asking, although I have used apt-proxy before |
| 08:45.46 | liable | for that you would need an iptables rule i think |
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| 08:46.22 | netgear | Nemoder, you know much about structure of repos? |
| 08:46.43 | Nemoder | netgear: not offhand |
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| 08:47.01 | netgear | i have 4 etch dvd's and want to copy the packages from disc to /var/cache/apt/ no one can tell me with certainty if that will work |
| 08:47.09 | karmatronic | dont panic , i m here |
| 08:47.19 | laza | Hi! Where can I find an estimate of how many debian systems are installed world wide? |
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| 08:47.38 | netgear | linuxcounter laza |
| 08:47.45 | netgear | i think |
| 08:47.46 | karmatronic | netgear: but why do you need to do that anyway ....? |
| 08:47.54 | vito | i want rename partition x:\ in c:\ |
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| 08:48.09 | Nemoder | netgear: you should be able to copy any .deb file there without problems |
| 08:48.11 | vito | how can do ? |
| 08:48.19 | netgear | i have the iso's mounted as repos but want it all in one folder so that i can wipe older packages |
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| 08:49.08 | netgear | vito, run gparted |
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| 08:49.36 | vito | netgear, then ? |
| 08:50.23 | netgear | Nemoder, but i just want someone to answer me this with some certainty are all the packages on etch dvds stable? since i do not want to have any unstable testing on my machine |
| 08:50.39 | netgear | vito did a window open up? |
| 08:50.39 | Nemoder | yes, etch=stable |
| 08:50.42 | nerian | I would like to switch from stable to testing; will a dist-upgrade just work? I saw a lot of changes when try it. |
| 08:51.00 | happla | nerian: dist-upgrade usualy works from stable to testing |
| 08:51.18 | happla | nerian: sometimes a package or twois broken, but that is usually fixed within a couple of days |
| 08:51.18 | Nemoder | !etch->lenny |
| 08:51.18 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 08:51.27 | vito | yes |
| 08:51.28 | happla | nerian: I have been doing that kind of upgrade many times. |
| 08:51.31 | vito | netgear, yes |
| 08:51.52 | happla | nerian: Debian Stable is one of the most stable distros out there. - CentOS, RHEL etc. incl. =) |
| 08:52.00 | netgear | Nemoder, another thing i know repos use main etch contrib non-free etc, will i mess up anything by adding all .deb from etch dvd's 1-3 and update dvd to /var/cache/apt? will apt still be able to make sense |
| 08:52.07 | vito | netgear, i have run gparted |
| 08:52.09 | netgear | vito, do you see partition x there? |
| 08:52.23 | vito | yes |
| 08:52.29 | nerian | happla: I do this in order to get enlightenment e17 |
| 08:52.30 | Nemoder | netgear: that will work fine, the cache is just to store files, it doesn't effect what is installed in the system |
| 08:52.39 | karmatronic | happla: testing is almosts stable too |
| 08:52.53 | happla | nerian: E17 has been in development for ages |
| 08:52.56 | vito | but gparted not tell me the name of partition |
| 08:53.02 | happla | nerian: It's a hell hole =) |
| 08:53.06 | netgear | Nemoder, the theory behind this is i dont want to download packages i allready have, i pay alot for internet |
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| 08:53.08 | happla | karmatronic: yes, I know |
| 08:53.17 | vito | netgear, but gparted not tell me the partion's name |
| 08:53.23 | happla | karmatronic: but testing is like compared to CentOS in stabilites =) |
| 08:53.24 | netgear | is see that too |
| 08:53.26 | nerian | happla: I added e17 repos but it need some packages who are only on the testing repo |
| 08:53.30 | karmatronic | netgear: there s an option to specify the directories where apt searchs for deb files |
| 08:53.36 | netgear | vito, is x you root partition? |
| 08:53.37 | Nemoder | netgear: it will check the cache first for the .deb then it will use the sources.list if it can't find it there |
| 08:53.42 | happla | nerian: check backports |
| 08:53.59 | happla | nerian: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 08:54.06 | karmatronic | netgear: i mean you could separate /var/cache/apt and let s say /var/cache/apt-dvd for instance |
| 08:54.06 | vito | netgear, i have a dual boot with vista |
| 08:54.19 | vito | x:\ is the partiion of vista |
| 08:54.27 | netgear | oh |
| 08:54.35 | vito | netgear, when i have install debian |
| 08:54.38 | netgear | as what is x mounted |
| 08:54.39 | Nemoder | netgear: if you have security enabled then you will of course have to download any newer versions |
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| 08:54.54 | vito | i have parted hard disck in 2 partition |
| 08:55.19 | bubshait | hi, if I install debian using lenny netinstall and ask to install windows manager will it install kde or gnome? |
| 08:55.33 | nerian | happla: I will try that, thanks |
| 08:55.35 | netgear | Nemoder, can i ask how to maybe do this, using a sript, compare all .deb on my discs with repos pakages.gz and then copy only those to /var/cache/apt? |
| 08:55.39 | vito | netgear, x is not mounted |
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| 08:56.13 | netgear | vito,you want to have partition x mounted and displayed as "example"? |
| 08:56.16 | vito | netgear, is vista that named his partion x |
| 08:56.25 | Nemoder | netgear: newer .debs will have a different filename that has the other version on it, so you won't be overwriting anything |
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| 08:56.59 | vito | netgear, in gparted i don't watch the name "x:\" for partition ntfs |
| 08:57.03 | netgear | Nemoder, see only packages in /var/cache/apt is ones i have downloaded |
| 08:57.25 | netgear | what is x in gparted /dev/hda? |
| 08:58.05 | vito | netgear, /dev/sda2 is ntfs and his flag "boot" |
| 08:58.22 | vito | /dev/sda1 is swap partition |
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| 08:58.27 | netgear | ok join #flood and paste me you /etc/fstab there |
| 08:58.45 | netgear | do not paste in here vito |
| 08:58.46 | vito | /dev/sda3 is ext2 partion |
| 08:59.06 | netgear | i only want x info |
| 08:59.58 | suppaman | finally |
| 09:00.05 | suppaman | invoke-rc.d iptables clear |
| 09:00.13 | suppaman | Ã -la-debian (I suppose) |
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| 09:01.14 | suppaman | liable: still there? |
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| 09:04.11 | netgear | Nemoder, how can i make a sript to do this, scan iso's for all .deb > file then compare file with packages.gz from my repository and > compared > list so that i can copy the files from list /var/cache/apt |
| 09:04.37 | Zippy2 | you rtfm |
| 09:04.56 | netgear | Zippy2, you talking to me? |
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| 09:05.01 | Zippy2 | yep |
| 09:05.34 | netgear | stfu, i have asked this question many times and was told to ask people how to do this since they could not help |
| 09:05.50 | Zippy2 | they could help but why would they do all that work for you |
| 09:06.03 | Zippy2 | linux is not about getting people to do your work for you |
| 09:06.11 | Zippy2 | btw netgear sucks |
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| 09:06.43 | icemario | does debian come with the VMware video driver? |
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| 09:07.08 | Zippy2 | i think so |
| 09:07.10 | netgear | Zippy2, if youre so smart why dont you help me? |
| 09:07.21 | Zippy2 | netgear: because you dont deserve free help |
| 09:07.30 | Turk-Boy | hovarda15@hotmail.com only girls add i am alone boy |
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| 09:07.45 | DJ_Izumi[Laptop] | !seen citkast |
| 09:07.46 | dpkg | citkast <i=1000@ppp-66-143-220-107.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 152d 6h 32m 24s ago, saying: 'i've never used debian before and I must be missing something, i've installed gcc and libc6 but there are no header files in /usr/include'. |
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| 09:08.37 | DJ_Izumi[Laptop] | I guess he won't be back any time soon |
| 09:08.39 | dto | hello. |
| 09:09.54 | Nemoder | netgear: perhaps what you should do instead is add the iso to your sources.list instead of copying everything to cache |
| 09:10.02 | icemario | debian uses 2.6 kernel or 2.4? |
| 09:10.08 | dto | i can't seem to get any MIDI working. it's an M-Audio USB Axiom 49. it seems to show up fine as a midi device in /proc/asound/cards and /dev/sndstat. but nothing will work with it---aconnectgui just puts up a little box saying "error opening sequencer". it can't seem to find /dev/sequencer or something |
| 09:10.20 | dto | my kernel modules look ok.. snd_rawmidi, snd_usb_audio |
| 09:10.53 | netgear | Nemoder, i have that like that atm, i want to shrink it down and only to copy "current" packages as indicated in packages.gz from iso /var/cache/apt |
| 09:11.03 | icemario | what kernel does debian use? |
| 09:11.04 | netgear | does that make sense Nemoder |
| 09:11.22 | dto | icemario: 2.6 |
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| 09:11.45 | netgear | icemario, i think its precompiled for debian -- atm 2.6xxx |
| 09:11.46 | Nemoder | netgear: not really since the available list of packages online is probably even bigger than what is on the dvds |
| 09:12.00 | icemario | how big is base install with netinst? |
| 09:12.19 | suppaman | it seems this is gonna become a recurring question |
| 09:12.20 | netgear | yes, i know that, but to only copy those on iso that match with list |
| 09:12.26 | netgear | not to download the whole repo |
| 09:12.31 | Nemoder | the ones you already have installed you mean? |
| 09:12.33 | suppaman | icemario: wait, were you the same guy asking it yesterday? |
| 09:12.50 | icemario | I didn't find out |
| 09:13.13 | icemario | base install with net install is how big? |
| 09:13.17 | suppaman | I think you could have grabbed a netinst setup a vm and measure it by now |
| 09:13.19 | icemario | netinstalled |
| 09:13.31 | dto | is there any way to completely disable the PC speaker on debian? |
| 09:13.50 | icemario | I need to know how much space I need to allocate for VMware |
| 09:14.00 | suppaman | dto: I think it's up to the mobo, you could avoid console alert if you want |
| 09:14.05 | netgear | Nemoder, let me put it like this: there is alot of .deb on dvd images, now packages.gz as downloaded from internet repository has list of latest packages right |
| 09:14.07 | suppaman | icemario: is space that critical ? |
| 09:14.12 | icemario | yes |
| 09:14.14 | suppaman | iceassign 1gb and try |
| 09:14.18 | suppaman | icemario: assign |
| 09:14.33 | Nemoder | netgear: they will mostly be the same except for security updates |
| 09:14.34 | suppaman | someone told about 350Mb |
| 09:14.39 | liable | suppaman: ya |
| 09:15.04 | netgear | Nemoder, let me take a break i need to smoke first |
| 09:15.07 | suppaman | liable: you told me to check for newer rt modules, I searched in apt-cache and I see there are binaries for 2.6.18 |
| 09:15.18 | Nemoder | netgear: http://packages.debian.org/etch/apt-cacher |
| 09:15.27 | Nemoder | perhaps that's what you want, if not then I duno, but I have go now |
| 09:15.40 | netgear | Nemoder, thanks |
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| 09:15.54 | netgear | Zippy2, you might as well read that seeing that you dont know how to |
| 09:16.11 | liable | suppaman: and? |
| 09:16.27 | dto | suppaman: i couldn't find anything about that in the BIOS or in the manual (i.e. a jumper) |
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| 09:17.58 | subha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.30 | dpkg | citkast <i=1000@ppp-66-143-220-107.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 152d 6h 44m 9s ago, saying: 'i've never used debian before and I must be missing something, i've installed gcc and libc6 but there are no header files in /usr/include'. |
| 09:19.55 | suppaman | liable: sorry was afk a bit , and I have 2.6.22-.. |
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| 09:20.21 | liable | suppaman: so see if there are binaries for 22 |
| 09:20.25 | ameyer | haha... |
| 09:20.25 | suppaman | liable: m-a hanged the whole computer while building the rt modules, now I did a clean and an update |
| 09:20.28 | ameyer | !seen god |
| 09:20.29 | dpkg | god <~jeremy@cpe-76-190-244-143.neo.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 20h 38m 46s ago, saying: 'the kernel trap is for users '. |
| 09:20.31 | suppaman | liable: where ? |
| 09:20.46 | liable | suppaman: they same place you got 22 from |
| 09:20.57 | suppaman | dto: you can obviously remove the connector, why do you want to remove it ? I mean at what level youre' getting noise ? |
| 09:21.03 | suppaman | liable: and that is apt-cache |
| 09:21.32 | suppaman | liable: there aren't new binaries, but I think building the module is fine, I'm just not that versed, I barely used module-assistant twice |
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| 09:22.20 | dto | i don't think i connected the case's speaker |
| 09:22.21 | liable | suppaman: the module source package should be in /usr/src, you could try making it manually and see where it barfs |
| 09:22.25 | dto | i get applications that beep |
| 09:22.30 | dto | i thought there was a way in X to disable that |
| 09:22.38 | liable | !beep |
| 09:22.38 | dpkg | i guess beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 09:22.52 | liable | !bell |
| 09:22.52 | dpkg | from memory, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 09:27.55 | suppaman | liable: I will, the point is that building rt hanged up the cpu, it dumped a few registers between ncurses line (i.e. the had colour background) and then I could do nothing else than reboot hard way |
| 09:28.02 | iceassign | does netinst have gcc installed? |
| 09:28.07 | iceassign | base system, no mirror? |
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| 09:31.51 | grick | hi people, i have to install with a netinst but i need vlan installed to access the net. I have the right vlan .deb package. How can i install the vlan package during the installation process to reach internet? |
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| 09:34.37 | suppaman | iceassign: I don't think it has gcc |
| 09:34.57 | suppaman | grick: you can install it after the netinst |
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| 09:37.19 | grick | suppaman: yes i've installed the minimal system and use the vlan deb later :| |
| 09:37.49 | suppaman | grick: doesn't netinst leave you in a shell when it has finished? |
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| 09:38.11 | grick | suppaman: after the reboot |
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| 09:38.54 | simonrvn | iceassign: /msg dpkg b-e |
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| 09:42.19 | suppaman | the nvidia module fails while searching linux/config.h in linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 09:42.36 | suppaman | actually there isn't that file, did the kernel files tree changed ? |
| 09:42.48 | simonrvn | no, that's generated |
| 09:42.56 | suppaman | the linux-headers packages seems to be installed good |
| 09:43.18 | suppaman | simonrvn: could you pls check if you have config.h in your kernel headers ? |
| 09:43.21 | simonrvn | sec |
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| 09:45.07 | suppaman | what's the command to change default gcc ? |
| 09:45.18 | neotic | gcc-config |
| 09:45.21 | suppaman | thx |
| 09:45.31 | suppaman | I don't have it |
| 09:45.37 | liable | never heard of it |
| 09:45.51 | simonrvn | odd, mine work ok, but no such file.... |
| 09:45.52 | liable | CC="gcc-version" make |
| 09:45.58 | suppaman | liable: really ? |
| 09:46.02 | simonrvn | can't remember what's up with that though. sorry |
| 09:46.13 | subha | is there any tool/way by which i can impose some authentication mechanism against some event?suppose,i want gnome should ask my login-passwd when i want to shutdown my system.is there any idea? |
| 09:46.14 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:46.14 | suppaman | sure, but I wanted to change the default, I'll use CC |
| 09:46.36 | simonrvn | neotic: 'nother distro i think ;) |
| 09:47.23 | suppaman | how do I set a variable when using sudo ? |
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| 09:47.35 | suppaman | CC= sudo doesnt work, neither does viceversa |
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| 09:48.28 | liable | export CC= |
| 09:48.33 | liable | then run make |
| 09:49.13 | suppaman | ok, now building breaks at the same point m-a did |
| 09:49.23 | suppaman | i.e. it can't find linux/config.h |
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| 09:49.44 | suppaman | I see 2.6.18. has it, I wonder why 2.6.22 headers tree hasn't |
| 09:49.56 | liable | try just touching that file |
| 09:49.58 | suppaman | how's called the kernel headers package ? |
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| 09:50.32 | liable | havent you got headers installed? |
| 09:50.32 | suppaman | liable: you mean touching in 2.6.22 tree ? |
| 09:50.32 | ShredZ | is it safe to install linux kernel 2.6 image from sarge's backport repository along with udev on a box running 2.4 ? |
| 09:50.32 | suppaman | liable: I think I have, but as it's not working I'd try to reinstall it |
| 09:51.01 | suppaman | liable: I don't know exactly how's it called, linux-headers-X.X:X kernel-headers-X.X.X or what |
| 09:51.13 | liable | linux-headers |
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| 09:51.24 | suppaman | first touching it tho' |
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| 09:53.58 | suppaman | liable: exporting then sudo doesn't work anyway |
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| 09:54.13 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 09:54.31 | Haris | Is there a http/ftp download tool on cli that can be told which interface to download from? |
| 09:54.49 | suppaman | oh my, it built |
| 09:54.56 | suppaman | liable: with the touch linux/config.h |
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| 09:55.16 | arooni-mobile | what is a good activesync replacement (that makes it easy to sync files & such....... but also install programs to)......... ideas? |
| 09:55.29 | liable | suppaman: sweet |
| 09:55.38 | suppaman | liable: don't leave me now.. |
| 09:55.43 | suppaman | I feel alone |
| 09:55.53 | suppaman | I'm performing make install now |
| 09:56.29 | suppaman | and this isn't either the driver I need the most |
| 09:56.44 | Haris | I have 2 ISPs hooked into this box. One is being used to its full, the other is idle |
| 09:57.02 | Haris | which is a waste considering, debian should have SOMETHING I can use it with :( |
| 09:57.36 | grick | bye |
| 09:58.26 | suppaman | liable: running the rt2400 things via m-a now |
| 09:58.35 | suppaman | cross the fingers |
| 09:58.39 | suppaman | actually my fingers |
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| 09:59.42 | suppaman | I think this box is going towards death |
| 10:00.04 | suppaman | the video card behaves weird, bright color has a trail on the right |
| 10:00.21 | suppaman | not that I use a monitor, I should get a mini-itx or so |
| 10:00.28 | fireba11 | Haris : two ISPs ? ^^ |
| 10:00.43 | suppaman | fireba11: he needs to balance the connection |
| 10:01.04 | Haris | Link aggregation / trunking |
| 10:01.10 | fireba11 | suppaman : so he wants to do load balancing on two different connections |
| 10:01.11 | suppaman | that's it |
| 10:01.12 | Haris | fbsd 7 has its support |
| 10:01.17 | Haris | http://ivoras.sharanet.org/freebsd/freebsd7.html |
| 10:01.30 | Haris | I can't get it done through etch at the moment |
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| 10:02.00 | Haris | after implementing lartc section 4.2.2, I get failover, not link aggregation/load balancing affect |
| 10:03.13 | suppaman | how nice |
| 10:03.40 | suppaman | I can ping the wifi ap |
| 10:03.45 | suppaman | let's reboot now |
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| 10:04.13 | suppaman | I just wonder kernel headers missed that linux/config.h |
| 10:04.24 | suppaman | should it be pointed as a bug ? |
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| 10:05.10 | liable | probably the rt source needs to be upgraded |
| 10:05.18 | liable | i dont have config.h either |
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| 10:06.23 | themill | rt wireless sources? they're a mess. |
| 10:06.44 | liable | ya |
| 10:06.58 | suppaman | themill: they are |
| 10:07.11 | suppaman | but this pci card has a great value of its own |
| 10:07.19 | themill | you have my greatest sympathies. |
| 10:07.25 | distatica | Question for any of you pine users. I am not sure what program does this, but I want to be alerted via any terminal window when I recieve new mail to my pine client. So while I'm typing away at something else I will still get my email alerts. Can pine do this directly, or do I need something else? |
| 10:07.26 | suppaman | and that is that I already own it |
| 10:07.36 | distatica | imap is the protocol of my email server, if that matters. |
| 10:07.36 | suppaman | themill: but it has been a pita forever |
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| 10:08.30 | suppaman | themill: when I'll dismiss the box I'll probably bury the rt2400 after having gone over it with a hammer |
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| 10:17.11 | suppaman | seems now everything's fine |
| 10:17.16 | suppaman | thanks a lot |
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| 10:17.38 | suppaman | I feared I had to reinstall something |
| 10:18.05 | suppaman | and that's a solution that, despite its efficiency, I hate |
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| 10:22.29 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 10:26.42 | dubphil | Bonjour, existe un outil debian pour renouveller un certificat ssl ? |
| 10:27.04 | dubphil | oups sorry I believe I was in the french channel :( |
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| 10:27.57 | Haris | Any improvement/feature comming in the new builds of debian? |
| 10:28.01 | Haris | regarding this feature |
| 10:28.13 | dubphil | Hello, is there a debian tool to renew an ssl certificate that doesn't need to be certified by a third party ? |
| 10:28.27 | Haris | self generated ssl cert |
| 10:28.29 | Haris | ? |
| 10:28.32 | dubphil | yes |
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| 10:29.06 | Haris | you can generate any number of them with openssl |
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| 10:32.22 | dubphil | I see how to generate a new private key, but renew a certificate is not very clear |
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| 10:32.50 | Haris | Renew a self generated cert? |
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| 10:34.46 | rogier_ | Where did the binary gnome-volume-manager go ? It used to be in the package gnome-volume-manager, but not anymore ..... I used to run it manually to get removable devices to work in enlightenment. |
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| 10:51.09 | GuySoft | hey all, what is the simplest ftp client i can install on debian? i really need it for 1, maybe 2 users. |
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| 10:51.22 | Ronin | GuySoft: client? gftp |
| 10:51.27 | my007ms | lftp |
| 10:51.30 | Ronin | or do you really mean server? |
| 10:51.33 | GuySoft | sorry! i ment server |
| 10:51.48 | my007ms | vsftpd |
| 10:51.55 | GuySoft | Ronin, sorry, really wasn't thinking for a second |
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| 10:59.58 | sep | is it possible to get openbsd-inetd to listen to a spesific interface only ? |
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| 11:04.32 | dubphil | Haris: thanks I've found, I was not targeted the good file Iwas targeting the pem file instead of the key file ;) |
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| 11:09.29 | efaistos | I'm running Debian on a macbook but sometimes my mouse cursor is moving alone ... did someone havethe same kind of issue ? |
| 11:09.40 | zarac | i can't startx .. anyone who can take a look at http://milo.compmode.se/xorg.conf |
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| 11:10.48 | zarac | please.. =D .. also.. i've tried commenting out BusID in the Device section... didn't do much difference though =D |
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| 11:11.03 | efaistos | zarac: what kind of card ? |
| 11:11.37 | zarac | via |
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| 11:11.57 | efaistos | what error do you get ? |
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| 11:13.09 | zarac | oh yeah.. might help =D |
| 11:13.11 | Ilfat | Hi! |
| 11:13.21 | zarac | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 11:13.25 | zarac | no screens found |
| 11:13.35 | efaistos | zarac: which driver did you try ? |
| 11:13.36 | zarac | and oh yeah.. Fetal server error: before that of course =D |
| 11:13.38 | zarac | via |
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| 11:13.40 | zarac | and vesa |
| 11:13.45 | zarac | it's a via card.. so should work |
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| 11:15.16 | efaistos | can you post your Xorg..0.log somewhere ? |
| 11:15.21 | zarac | sure thing |
| 11:15.23 | Chaosguard | my german aptitude manpage has encoding errors - probably other manpages too - how do i fix these |
| 11:15.53 | efaistos | Chaosguard: use UTF-8 |
| 11:15.59 | zarac | http://milo.compmode.se/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:16.15 | zarac | :) |
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| 11:17.36 | themill | Chaosguard, efaistos: the errors in aptitude's man pages are well known (there's a bug in the BTS on them...) and are nroff errors not just l10n encoding errors. |
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| 11:18.35 | efaistos | zarac: do you the xserver-xorg-video-via pkg installed as the xserver-xorg-video-vesa ? |
| 11:18.37 | vlt | Hello. Is there an easy way to install some blackletter/gothic fonts? Does anyone know packages available? |
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| 11:19.00 | efaistos | themill: i just said that like that ... I dont use german :) |
| 11:19.02 | zarac | nope efaistos.. i got both the via and vesa installed |
| 11:19.07 | zarac | let me doublecheckthough |
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| 11:19.52 | zarac | yup... both installed.. and pretty much all other drivers as well i think =D |
| 11:20.15 | themill | efaistos: the errors are actually in the en man page too. It's muck like: \fBinstall\fR where the nroff escape sequence is being displayed. |
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| 11:20.46 | glledo | hi, I came across a debian repository that contained old packages that had been updated and are not available in any current release, but I cannot remember the url. Does anyone know that one? |
| 11:21.10 | efaistos | themill: thanks but dont use aptitude ... still with apt-get so i've never used the man pages for aptitude :p |
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| 11:21.48 | efaistos | zarac: you're running lenny ? sid ? |
| 11:21.52 | zarac | lenny |
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| 11:22.21 | efaistos | did you try to update your pkgs maybe ? |
| 11:22.39 | zarac | you mean normal apt-get upgrade? yes |
| 11:22.43 | zarac | it's all the newest |
| 11:22.57 | g00se | Iceape folks: any way to get it to default to seach if URL 'wrong'? |
| 11:23.11 | ody | what's a decent bittorrent client except azureus? |
| 11:23.18 | glledo | got it, snapshot.debian.org |
| 11:23.18 | g00se | s/seach/search |
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| 11:24.45 | XoX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:25.28 | barnbarn | ody: rtorrent for the command line |
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| 11:28.13 | zarac | =/ |
| 11:28.18 | zarac | any other ideas efaistos? =D |
| 11:28.45 | efaistos | there is maybe a bug report for your hardware ... |
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| 11:31.07 | Chaosguard | efaistos: i use utf 8 |
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| 11:32.12 | zarac | i'll look =D |
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| 11:33.52 | suppaman | anyone with a nvidia legacy card ? |
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| 11:35.08 | suppaman | I've installed nvidia-glx-legacy and built the kernel module with m-a but X complaints about not findind the "nvidia" module |
| 11:35.26 | suppaman | I don't even know if it's referring to the kernel module or the X module |
| 11:37.32 | orveldv | any idea, what fonts should I install to get rid of the message "Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion" when starting xterm, xclock, xcalc etc.? |
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| 11:41.46 | ignotus | hi, I've set up QoS for myself (cable connection), but I have an other machine and would like to not have bandwidth limiting for that machine. For example now my maximum upload (QoS) is ~70 KiB / sec, but when I copy a large file to the machine in this same room, I don't want this bandwidth limitation |
| 11:42.42 | tralala | ignotus, try shorewall. It supports traffic shaping and it has excellent documentation. |
| 11:42.46 | suppaman | mm I can't find nvidia-glx-legacy in repository |
| 11:43.04 | suppaman | I'm on testing main contrib non -free |
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| 11:43.16 | ignotus | tralala: i'll check it out, thanks |
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| 11:44.18 | suppaman | am I missing something from sources.list ? |
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| 11:45.14 | glledo | suppaman: on my etch-box it shows up on non-free |
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| 11:45.48 | suppaman | I'm using an official mirror, but they should be trusted, shouldn't they ? |
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| 11:46.14 | iceassign | how do I install gcc in Debian, I just did base install? |
| 11:46.22 | suppaman | glledo: oh I see, but etch isn't lenny |
| 11:46.25 | glledo | suppaman: p.d.o doesnt list any on lenny |
| 11:46.35 | iceassign | how do I install in debian? |
| 11:46.36 | suppaman | p.d.o. stand for ? |
| 11:46.44 | glledo | packaged.debian.org |
| 11:46.44 | suppaman | stands* |
| 11:46.51 | glledo | packages* |
| 11:47.01 | suppaman | so what should I do ? add an etch repo ? |
| 11:47.02 | glledo | suppaman, add an etch repository |
| 11:47.11 | tralala | iceassign, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 11:47.20 | suppaman | like "stable" instead "unstable" right ? |
| 11:47.31 | glledo | unstable is sid |
| 11:47.51 | glledo | you can use either etch or stable |
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| 11:47.58 | suppaman | sorry I'm on testing |
| 11:48.15 | glledo | but if you use stable, that will be lenny eventually |
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| 11:48.54 | suppaman | ? |
| 11:49.11 | suppaman | I'm on testing now, if I add a "stable" row wouldn't that be etch ? |
| 11:49.24 | iceassign | how do I install gcc in debian? |
| 11:49.36 | suppaman | iceassign: apt-get install gcc |
| 11:49.45 | suppaman | iceassign: did you messaged dpkg ? |
| 11:49.46 | glledo | suppaman: it is now, but when lenny is released, lenny will be stable |
| 11:49.52 | suppaman | I see |
| 11:49.58 | iceassign | what is dpkg? |
| 11:50.03 | suppaman | will ever lenny have the package ? |
| 11:50.11 | suppaman | iceassign: a cli tool and a bot on this chan |
| 11:50.32 | suppaman | installing it |
| 11:50.33 | suppaman | thanks |
| 11:50.52 | suppaman | is it fine to have both lenny and etch in sources.list ? |
| 11:52.14 | iceassign | suppaman: is dpkg like rpm? |
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| 11:53.00 | suppaman | I don't know well rpm |
| 11:53.03 | suppaman | sort of |
| 11:53.15 | iceassign | how do I check if gcc is installed in dpkg? |
| 11:53.26 | streuner_ | iceassign: dpkg -l gcc |
| 11:54.00 | streuner_ | should be in essential |
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| 11:54.37 | streuner_ | suppaman: which package you are talking about? |
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| 11:55.10 | glledo | suppaman: if you're scared of having 2 releases, use apt-pinning to low the priority of etch, and then you can install using apt-get install -t etch |
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| 11:55.22 | streuner_ | komisch, Phaidros ist so ruhig, so kenn ich ihn gar nicht |
| 11:55.30 | tralala | !+tell iceassign -about grounding |
| 11:55.30 | dpkg | told iceassign about grounding. |
| 11:55.34 | streuner_ | ECHAN |
| 11:56.41 | suppaman | streuner_: nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 11:56.51 | suppaman | streuner_: actually all nvidia-glx are missing |
| 11:57.01 | iceassign | no packages found matching gcc |
| 11:57.07 | streuner_ | nvidia stuff is in sid/unstable broken too |
| 11:57.09 | iceassign | so I guess that means I don't have gcc |
| 11:57.15 | streuner_ | icekold: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:57.18 | iceassign | but I do have gcc base it says |
| 11:57.19 | streuner_ | iceassign: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 11:57.56 | streuner_ | vermutlich |
| 11:58.02 | iceassign | it comes up with libc6 |
| 11:58.03 | iceassign | its there |
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| 11:58.16 | iceassign | gnu C libarary: shared libraries |
| 11:58.17 | themill | iceassign: that's not what it says. |
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| 11:58.23 | streuner_ | iceassign: can you tell us the output, please? |
| 11:58.45 | iceassign | ii libc6 |
| 11:58.53 | themill | iceassign: that's not what it says. |
| 11:59.00 | iceassign | I think my monitor is stuffed |
| 11:59.02 | Noboru | please, 10240kbps =? KB/s ? |
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| 12:00.11 | themill | Noboru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kbps |
| 12:00.38 | iceassign | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:00.41 | iceassign | thats what it says |
| 12:00.45 | iceassign | ok?? |
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| 12:00.56 | streuner_ | !b-e iceassign |
| 12:00.56 | dpkg | iceassign: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:01.18 | iceassign | that's !b-e mean? |
| 12:01.23 | iceassign | !b-e |
| 12:01.23 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 12:01.57 | iceassign | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
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| 12:02.23 | streuner_ | iceassign: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 12:03.01 | iceassign | !aptitude |
| 12:03.01 | dpkg | aptitude is probably "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 12:03.06 | streuner_ | some people say, aptitude would do magic in Debian, but apt-get and dpkg was always more than enough for me. |
| 12:03.19 | streuner_ | iceassign: please message the bot. |
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| 12:03.35 | iceassign | I did |
| 12:03.37 | iceassign | nothing happened |
| 12:03.38 | themill | iceassign: ! is asking the bot to do something. Please /msg dpkg |
| 12:04.00 | themill | iceassign: or /join #debian-bots |
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| 12:05.48 | iceassign | So I should use aptitude as it works better than apt-get |
| 12:05.49 | iceassign | and its dangerous to use both |
| 12:05.57 | iceassign | and Synaptic is the best GUI one |
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| 12:06.49 | Rapp | does debian ship a package with libqt-mt.a for Qt 3.3.x? |
| 12:07.03 | streuner_ | Rapp: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:07.34 | streuner_ | !find libqt-mt.a |
| 12:07.35 | Rapp | streuner_: thanks |
| 12:07.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libqt-mt.a' returned no results. |
| 12:08.06 | Rapp | oh |
| 12:08.12 | streuner_ | Rapp: just ask #debian-kde too |
| 12:08.33 | Rapp | ok, thanks |
| 12:09.12 | themill | Rapp: try libqt3-mt-dev |
| 12:09.26 | iceassign | aptitude can't find build-essential |
| 12:09.59 | themill | iceassign: could you please pastebin the command you used and the output from aptitude and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:10.46 | Rapp | themill: doesn't have it. i will just build it from source :) |
| 12:10.57 | iceassign | couldn't find package build-essential |
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| 12:11.17 | themill | Rapp: it has the .la file which should be enough, iirc |
| 12:11.30 | Rapp | really... |
| 12:11.43 | themill | Rapp: or can you use dynamic linking to the .so? |
| 12:11.48 | streuner_ | iceassign: you dont use Debian then |
| 12:11.54 | suppaman | glledo: can I use apt-pinning to have lenny, then sid ? |
| 12:12.02 | suppaman | glledo: I have to install nvidia-glx from sid |
| 12:12.09 | Rapp | themill: no, i need static linkage |
| 12:12.13 | streuner_ | iceassign: show us your sources.list in paster bot (paste.debian.net) |
| 12:12.16 | Rapp | i never used .la files |
| 12:12.25 | iceassign | I can't |
| 12:12.28 | iceassign | I can't copy paste |
| 12:12.45 | streuner_ | cli? just install gpm then |
| 12:12.58 | themill | !pastebin pipe |
| 12:12.59 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
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| 12:13.16 | themill | iceassign: if you can't paste, we can't help you. |
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| 12:13.39 | streuner_ | iceassign: we need infos (details) in order to help you... |
| 12:14.01 | iceassign | I have 3 lines in sources.list |
| 12:14.16 | iceassign | deb cdrom: NETINST binary |
| 12:14.21 | gordonjcp | hello |
| 12:14.24 | iceassign | and security.debian.org |
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| 12:14.37 | streuner_ | these are 2 |
| 12:14.43 | iceassign | and deb-src security.debian.org |
| 12:14.49 | iceassign | etch/updates |
| 12:14.53 | streuner_ | not a "regular" line for a mirror? |
| 12:15.06 | gordonjcp | I've installed exim4 and spamassassin in Etch, and my mail is being passed through spamassassin. However, it's not catching spam - obvious spam gets a score of 0 |
| 12:15.13 | iceassign | only CDROM and security.debian.org |
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| 12:15.34 | iceassign | how do I reconfigure sources.list |
| 12:15.38 | iceassign | to set up my local mirror? |
| 12:15.39 | gordonjcp | what are the common n00b mistakes with Exim4 and Spamassassin in Etch? |
| 12:15.43 | streuner_ | http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 12:15.52 | streuner_ | add this line too |
| 12:15.55 | gordonjcp | I've hat it working successfully in NetBSD for a while |
| 12:16.02 | streuner_ | and run "apt-get update" then |
| 12:16.06 | themill | streuner_: you might want a deb first in that line |
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| 12:16.26 | streuner_ | iceassign: see what themill wrote you |
| 12:16.33 | streuner_ | deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 12:16.51 | tralala | gordonjcp, I think you need to train the filter before using it |
| 12:17.12 | gordonjcp | tralala: oh, ok, it doesn't actually come with an approximate corpus? |
| 12:18.18 | tralala | not afaik |
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| 12:19.26 | gordonjcp | tralala: that would explain it |
| 12:19.42 | gordonjcp | ach well, it won't take long to catch 500 spams at this rate |
| 12:22.20 | vlt | Hello. Is there an easy way to install some blackletter/gothic fonts? Does anyone know packages available? |
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| 12:23.18 | snowbird | my pc cant find my modem it used too |
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| 12:24.53 | iceassign | do I have to use aptitute |
| 12:24.58 | iceassign | or is apt-get safe? |
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| 12:25.18 | liable | snowbird: you use dialup now? |
| 12:25.36 | snowbird | no my dsl |
| 12:25.46 | iceassign | is aptitude and apt-get the same? The wiki says its dangerous to use apt-get |
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| 12:25.54 | karmatronic | iceassign: official posture is "use aptitude" |
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| 12:26.14 | iceassign | ok |
| 12:26.24 | iceassign | but in reality it doesn't matter right? |
| 12:26.25 | karmatronic | iceassign: but there s also synaptic which is gui if you want a simple tool |
| 12:26.31 | snowbird | liable had gppp use dial into modem now when i plug in says no modem found if i run live disk it works fine |
| 12:26.37 | iceassign | I haven't installed a wm yet |
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| 12:26.49 | liable | snowbird: a dsl modem? |
| 12:26.53 | karmatronic | iceassign: apt is said to not handle as well the dependencies as aptitude does |
| 12:27.00 | iceassign | ok |
| 12:27.03 | iceassign | so use aptitude |
| 12:27.04 | liable | snowbird: have you tried ppoeconfig? |
| 12:27.05 | iceassign | got it |
| 12:27.16 | snowbird | il try that laible |
| 12:27.17 | karmatronic | iceassign: personnaly i still mainly use apt-get though :) |
| 12:27.39 | suppaman | glledo: is pinning done by manually editing /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 12:27.55 | iceassign | karmatronic: but it doesn't handle dependencies properly@! |
| 12:27.55 | snowbird | liable some one in family get new pc for xmas |
| 12:28.17 | liable | snowbird: you get the old one? |
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| 12:28.50 | iceassign | can VMware tools be used with the CLI? |
| 12:28.59 | snowbird | nopeiam geting 64 bit and biuild family farm a new one |
| 12:29.01 | iceassign | can you use the mouse to copy stuff when not running a wm? |
| 12:29.08 | karmatronic | iceassign: never had any problems |
| 12:29.12 | iceassign | what's it called when you don't use a wm? |
| 12:29.24 | karmatronic | iceassign: yes you can |
| 12:29.34 | karmatronic | iceassign: and it s called terminal mode |
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| 12:30.02 | iceassign | in terminal mode I can't use my mouse |
| 12:30.14 | iceassign | I can't highlight and copy |
| 12:30.22 | iceassign | can you copy just using the keyboard? |
| 12:30.38 | snowbird | liable doe pppoe config do kppp a well? |
| 12:31.03 | liable | snowbird: i dont think so, it command line based, but i havent ever used it |
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| 12:31.22 | snowbird | ok liable |
| 12:31.39 | snowbird | dont why all sudden it found it |
| 12:31.47 | snowbird | dropped i mean |
| 12:33.00 | karmatronic | iceassign: you can , you need a package named |
| 12:33.19 | iKernel | oh my god |
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| 12:34.46 | iceassign | does fedora come with rpm? |
| 12:34.50 | iceassign | i MEAN DEBIAN |
| 12:34.58 | iceassign | oops caps |
| 12:35.09 | iKernel | iceassign, no it does not |
| 12:35.16 | iKernel | iceassign, why do you want rpm? |
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| 12:35.52 | iceassign | don't really want it |
| 12:35.55 | iceassign | happy to use whatever |
| 12:36.07 | iceassign | apt-get or aptitude is fine right? |
| 12:36.13 | themill | (well, debian does with rpm, but it can't install packages) |
| 12:36.17 | themill | come* |
| 12:36.19 | iKernel | iceassign, okay, problem solved. yes, apt-get is fine |
| 12:36.34 | iKernel | themill, correct, alien must be used to convert the packages |
| 12:36.54 | glledo | suppaman: yep, thats it |
| 12:36.58 | iceassign | karmatronic: what's the package called to copy in terminal mode with the keyboard? |
| 12:37.32 | suppaman | glledo: I'm just getting the system as is, without nvidia glx |
| 12:37.34 | glledo | iceassign: screen? |
| 12:37.45 | iKernel | iceassign, do you have a mouse? |
| 12:38.00 | karmatronic | iceassign: i m searching,since its out of the box in freebsd |
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| 12:38.22 | themill | gpm |
| 12:38.23 | iceassign | my mouse isn't working in terminal mode |
| 12:38.52 | glledo | suppaman: its not difficult at all, besides I think is quite safe to just add the etch repository on lenny |
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| 12:39.49 | glledo | iceassign: screen and then ^A ESC, scroll, return, select with arrows, return and then ^A ] |
| 12:39.51 | iKernel | themill, gpm requires a mouse |
| 12:40.03 | suppaman | glledo: the etch isn't fine, I'd need sid |
| 12:40.07 | iKernel | themill, he wants to high light, copy and paste using the terminal |
| 12:40.12 | karmatronic | iceassign: gpm |
| 12:40.14 | suppaman | but that would lead to other unmet dependencies |
| 12:40.21 | karmatronic | iceassign: the package is gpm |
| 12:40.21 | themill | iKernel: [12:38] <iceassign> my mouse isn't working in terminal mode |
| 12:40.27 | iKernel | themill, I read that |
| 12:40.43 | glledo | suppaman: then you should probably use apt-pinning, look for it there are lots of manuals on the net |
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| 12:40.56 | themill | iKernel: I give up.... :) (not on you, don't worry) |
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| 12:41.32 | iKernel | iceassign, install gpm |
| 12:41.36 | suppaman | glledo: I don't apt-pinning as a cli command, and I couldn't find it on apt-cache |
| 12:41.40 | suppaman | anyway |
| 12:42.07 | suppaman | don't have* |
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| 12:42.29 | themill | !tell suppaman about pinning |
| 12:42.49 | glledo | suppaman: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 12:43.07 | suppaman | thanks |
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| 12:44.46 | snowbird | have good day liable going to work on this isue |
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| 12:45.35 | themill | liable: seems your old fan is back |
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| 12:46.51 | liable | themill: yeah, poor bastard manages to screw up his box in unfathomable ways |
| 12:48.07 | themill | liable: He certainly has a knack in that regard. At least we haven't seen our favourite aircraft engineer for a while. |
| 12:48.19 | liable | heh, whos that? |
| 12:48.25 | themill | en1gma |
| 12:48.29 | liable | ah |
| 12:49.14 | iceassign | Setup is unable to find the "killall" program |
| 12:49.18 | themill | He told us he was an aircraft engineer at about the same time the Nepalese Airways people were sacrificing goats in front of planes. It was making us feel quite well grounded. |
| 12:49.20 | iceassign | where is killall on debian? |
| 12:49.32 | suppaman | iceassign: into the keyboard |
| 12:49.34 | Ronin | heh oh ya themill now i remember them |
| 12:49.36 | themill | iceassign: what setup program is this? |
| 12:49.51 | glledo | iceassign: psmisc |
| 12:49.54 | iceassign | vmware-install.pl |
| 12:50.22 | iceassign | VMware tools |
| 12:50.32 | themill | vmware-package |
| 12:50.40 | sep | iceassign, there is a vmware-package that you can use to build a .deb out of a vmware-server or vmware-workstation install tarball |
| 12:50.42 | themill | !tell iceassign about vmware-package |
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| 12:51.05 | sep | does not work for vmware-tools (where it would be the most needed) tho unfortunatly |
| 12:51.16 | iceassign | ok |
| 12:51.26 | iceassign | but where is killall on debian |
| 12:51.28 | iceassign | ? |
| 12:51.36 | themill | !tell iceassign about search |
| 12:51.47 | themill | iceassign: glledo already gave you the answer |
| 12:52.18 | iceassign | what is psmisc? |
| 12:52.24 | sep | iceassign, a package |
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| 12:55.08 | iceassign | what is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel? |
| 12:55.44 | liable | have you installed them? |
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| 12:55.54 | iceassign | fdsg |
| 12:56.07 | karmatronic | ? |
| 12:56.16 | iceassign | my /usr/src/linux/include directory doesn't exist |
| 12:56.29 | iceassign | sorry I typed / first and I wondered why nothing came out |
| 12:56.45 | iceassign | I pressed random keys and enter to see if my irc client was working |
| 12:56.51 | karmatronic | iceassign: if it s a brand new kernel you need kernel-headers package |
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| 12:57.50 | karmatronic | iceassign: so installing gpm worked ? |
| 12:57.53 | iceassign | yes |
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| 12:58.12 | iceassign | Package kernel-headers is not available, but is referred to by another package |
| 12:58.24 | iceassign | this may mean that the package is missing... |
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| 12:58.39 | iceassign | E: Package kernel-headers has no installation candidate |
| 12:58.56 | glledo | iceassign: try with linux-libc-dev |
| 12:58.58 | thiagomz | Hellow Folks ! |
| 12:59.14 | liable | iceassign: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 13:00.01 | thiagomz | Anyone can help me ? How i can put a ; on all end lines with vi ? |
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| 13:00.14 | azeem | glledo: linux-libc-dev is not the same as linux-headers/kernel-headers |
| 13:00.35 | themill | thiagomz: :%s/$/;/ |
| 13:00.35 | iceassign | couldn't find package linux-headers-'uname -r' |
| 13:00.46 | themill | iceassign: note the direction of the quotes |
| 13:00.47 | azeem | iceassign: those a backticks |
| 13:00.53 | liable | backticks, not apostrphies |
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| 13:00.56 | thiagomz | themill, tkz |
| 13:01.11 | themill | thiagomz: no problems... looks like quite nice line noise, really. |
| 13:01.19 | iceassign | oh I see |
| 13:01.21 | iceassign | cool :) |
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| 13:01.55 | glledo | azeem: really? I thought so, because Replaces/Provides/Conflicts with them |
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| 13:03.04 | iceassign | what is te vmxnet driver? |
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| 13:03.47 | iceassign | the vmxnet driver? |
| 13:04.08 | azeem | iceassign: didn't you just ask that? |
| 13:04.48 | iceassign | I spelt the te |
| 13:05.26 | azeem | glledo: they do not |
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| 13:06.59 | iceassign | how do I get vmware tools working in terminal mode? |
| 13:07.12 | iceassign | I copy something using GPM, but then I can't bring it back to windows |
| 13:07.20 | iceassign | windows is host os |
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| 13:08.09 | azeem | iceassign: it's maybe better to ask VmWare that, not us |
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| 13:09.29 | iceassign | is vmware tools just for X only? |
| 13:09.33 | iceassign | or terminal mode? |
| 13:09.39 | azeem | iceassign: it's maybe better to ask VmWare that, not us |
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| 13:09.54 | azeem | iceassign: did you install the vmware tools from the Debian archive? |
| 13:09.56 | karmatronic | iceassign: i think it s just for X |
| 13:10.05 | iceassign | oh what |
| 13:10.14 | iceassign | I installed Vmware tools from windows |
| 13:10.22 | iceassign | tar.gz in windows |
| 13:10.27 | iceassign | transported into deb |
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| 13:10.27 | azeem | iceassign: so why do you think we know anything about it |
| 13:10.44 | sep | azeem, are there vmware tools in debian archive ??? !! |
| 13:10.58 | GuySoft | hey all, i was here a while ago, i asked a question and got disconnected - what is the simplest ftp server i can install on debian? i need about only a user or two, with different privileges |
| 13:11.11 | sep | GuySoft, vsftpd |
| 13:11.13 | azeem | sep: I don't know |
| 13:11.19 | Ronin | GuySoft: vsftpd if you must run ftp |
| 13:11.27 | GuySoft | sep, i tried that and got stuck a while ago, what about pureftp? |
| 13:11.39 | sep | GuySoft, for a few users i'd just use sftp (ssh) |
| 13:12.04 | GuySoft | sep, i use sftp already. i need ftp for a user that has problems with sftp |
| 13:12.06 | sep | you can tell the users to install winscp if they can't grasp non gui tools |
| 13:12.19 | karmatronic | GuySoft: proftpd is quite simple too |
| 13:12.30 | GuySoft | sep, you know what - i dont mind if its a single user, to a single folder on the server.. if its a problem |
| 13:12.31 | Ronin | full of security issues though |
| 13:12.43 | sep | GuySoft, vsftpd is very simple. install the pacage and remove the comment on the config file where it say that you neet to remoev it to let users login. |
| 13:12.47 | GuySoft | karmatronic, i need it to be out-of-the-box as possible |
| 13:12.57 | iceassign | I mean in VMware server, you click install vmware tools, and it makes the cdrom have two files |
| 13:13.07 | iceassign | a tar.gz and rpm |
| 13:13.15 | iceassign | vmware tools intsallers |
| 13:13.17 | GuySoft | sep, i dont want all users to have access, i rather have one user have access |
| 13:13.19 | Ronin | GuySoft: it may be a tad out of date but vsftpdrocks.org is a fairly straight forward tutorial to follow |
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| 13:13.40 | GuySoft | Ronin, allright, ill have a look |
| 13:13.57 | karmatronic | Ronin: why is vsftpd very secure btw? |
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| 13:14.07 | GuySoft | any advantage over pureftp to vsftpd? pureftp just seemd to be the first when i googled.. |
| 13:14.27 | Ronin | karmatronic: http://vsftpd.beasts.org/#security |
| 13:14.29 | GuySoft | seemed* |
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| 13:14.51 | azeem | karmatronic: the name! |
| 13:14.58 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:15.03 | pngwn | GuySoft, have you looked at ssh and scp instead of ftp? |
| 13:15.11 | karmatronic | azeem: :) |
| 13:15.31 | karmatronic | pngwn: ssh also provides remote access, he probably doesnt want that |
| 13:15.32 | Ronin | good point pngwn |
| 13:15.46 | GuySoft | pngwn, i am using ssh.. didnt look at scp.. i want ftp, because i am dealing with a really low-end user on the other side.. i rather have something for dumb people |
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| 13:16.02 | Ronin | GuySoft: theyll never know the difference |
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| 13:16.17 | GuySoft | karmatronic, i even use ssh with a rsa key :P |
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| 13:16.48 | karmatronic | GuySoft: i meant your end user doesnt want ssh |
| 13:16.49 | sep | ftp is a rather complex beast . active vs passive. NAT traversal. ftp have a lot of issues that ssh just dont have |
| 13:16.51 | GuySoft | Ronin, they will, because some windows ftp clients dont have ssh.. |
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| 13:17.09 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:17.23 | vlt | Hello. Can anyone explain the following error message (\n is line break)? `whoami; ls -l ./vars.sh; LANG=C ./vars.sh` => "root \n -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1617 2007-12-13 14:10 ./vars.sh \n bash: ./vars.sh: Keine Berechtigung" |
| 13:17.34 | GuySoft | karmatronic, ill check if that user is clever inuf for sftp.. meenwhile, i want to try and get ftp up.. |
| 13:17.37 | SamuraiDio | hoe can i force initramfs to load some modules to create my devices? |
| 13:17.39 | SamuraiDio | how* |
| 13:17.40 | Ronin | GuySoft: they dont need it |
| 13:17.50 | Ronin | coreftpl for example |
| 13:17.52 | tralala | sftp has only one issue - speed |
| 13:18.05 | GuySoft | isnt there some really super-simple client, that will give me a folder that out of the box, a single user can upload things to> |
| 13:18.07 | GuySoft | ? |
| 13:18.08 | Ronin | its what i get our windows users here to use for sftp |
| 13:18.31 | iceassign | how do I get a list of running daemons? |
| 13:18.36 | nutria | winscp |
| 13:18.54 | GuySoft | tralala, oh, right, i forgot.. speed is a BIG issue here, i am going to be using it for gigabytes of bandwidth per time |
| 13:18.54 | nutria | ps ax |
| 13:19.01 | sep | are there a console tool that i can use to find out what kind of ram modules i have in a remote box ? |
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| 13:19.27 | vlt | iceassign: The output of `ps ax` or `netstat -tulpen` is often very interesting |
| 13:19.29 | GuySoft | Ronin, so.. is there anything simpler to use than vsftpd? |
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| 13:19.48 | Ronin | GuySoft: with that much data moving simple may not be what you want |
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| 13:20.34 | GuySoft | Ronin, its more of a dropbox.. its just massive files.. |
| 13:20.48 | tralala | GuySoft, why not use nfs or samba? |
| 13:20.58 | GuySoft | tralala, its over the internet.. |
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| 13:21.12 | Ronin | GuySoft: sftp or vsftpd go for secure then if its not local |
| 13:21.19 | GuySoft | tralala, and again.. i want something simple for low-end users.. |
| 13:21.26 | Ronin | more of a drop box? heh anyone else smell warez? ;) |
| 13:21.36 | tralala | GuySoft, you can't get simpler than samba |
| 13:21.50 | GuySoft | Ronin, i use sftp for other things.. i am not giving it to the user i am dealing with |
| 13:22.17 | Ronin | GuySoft: samba? its drag and drop but ive never tried it over the internet, only locally |
| 13:22.25 | GuySoft | tralala, you can.. when the issue is access over the Internet for a really lower-than-average-user |
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| 13:22.38 | tralala | samba+openvpn should do |
| 13:22.54 | Ronin | GuySoft: in that case i stand by sftp or vsftpd, vsftpd could have been up and running by now by the way |
| 13:23.07 | GuySoft | Ronin, i tried it localy. it gets hard when you are not even on the same segment.. let alone the internet.. you need to define a WINES server.. |
| 13:23.16 | tralala | Ronin, sftp is _sloooow_ |
| 13:23.21 | GuySoft | Ronin, allright.. ill try.. |
| 13:23.27 | Ronin | GuySoft: you mean samba im guessing over teh net? |
| 13:23.31 | GuySoft | Ronin, have you ,BTW tried pureftp? |
| 13:23.35 | tarzeau | is packages.debian.org down for others too? |
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| 13:23.48 | Ronin | GuySoft: way way way back when, at least 5+ years |
| 13:23.49 | GuySoft | Ronin, .. yes.. back to ftp.. thats what i am looking at now.. |
| 13:24.08 | sep | tarzeau, seams like it |
| 13:24.08 | pumpkin0 | before i launch into something impossible: Is it possible to do openGL remotely via ssh -X ? |
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| 13:24.32 | GuySoft | Ronin, actually i base my information from a company i talked to this morning.. thats what they are getting.. |
| 13:24.33 | tralala | pumpkin0, yes, with software rendering |
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| 13:25.03 | Ronin | GuySoft: personally id say go with vsftpd, look into both though specifically security isses |
| 13:25.12 | tralala | which for almost all practicall purposes means "no" |
| 13:25.13 | pumpkin0 | tralala: so the client will do the rendering in software and the server only sends the raw opengl-commands ? |
| 13:25.36 | GuySoft | well, vsftpd i think is secure by name.. i just hope that IS the case |
| 13:25.40 | netgear | how does one resize / partition? |
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| 13:25.45 | tralala | pumpkin0, -X is X11 forwarding, not opengl forwarding |
| 13:25.47 | netgear | since it cannot be unmounted |
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| 13:26.06 | sep | netgear, youhave / on lvm and mkfs with resize_inode then you can grow it while i's mounted |
| 13:26.13 | tralala | GuySoft, openvpn is easy to setup and makes samba secure |
| 13:26.20 | netgear | sep, how safe is that? |
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| 13:26.26 | sep | netgear, very |
| 13:26.26 | pumpkin0 | tralala: it is a static scene rendered from a data-analyse prog, no need for high fps. OK. how to i launch opengl forwarding ? |
| 13:26.46 | sep | netgear, after etch i have not yet unmounted a fs for growing it |
| 13:26.51 | netgear | sep, how advanced does one need to be to do it |
| 13:26.53 | azeem | tralala: why wouldn't the OpenGL commands be forwarded as well |
| 13:27.16 | netgear | i want to shrink root and to grow my data partition |
| 13:27.25 | tralala | azeem, they will - as X commands though, unless opengl is part of the X protocol |
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| 13:27.35 | sep | netgear, if you have installed with d-i etch and you used the lvm there you can just lvextend -L+1G /dev/Debian/root ; resize2fs /dev/debian/root |
| 13:27.42 | GuySoft | oh well, here we go.. apt-get install vsftpd.... |
| 13:27.42 | sep | Debian = vg and root = lv ofcourse |
| 13:27.49 | pumpkin0 | tralala: opengl => GLX => X11 protocol ? |
| 13:27.50 | sep | netgear, very easy |
| 13:27.51 | tralala | pumpkin0, with -X your opengl programmes will work, but very slow |
| 13:27.51 | spacix | Does anyone have a clue what the best build in .PDF reader is for Iceweasel (GNOME) |
| 13:28.01 | pumpkin0 | tralala: thanks. |
| 13:28.03 | spacix | I cannot read my documents atm |
| 13:28.06 | netgear | sep, easy is in the eye of the beholder :) |
| 13:28.13 | azeem | spacix: best build in .PDF? |
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| 13:28.20 | azeem | spacix: do you mean builtin? |
| 13:28.23 | spacix | build-in, like implemented in the browser |
| 13:28.25 | sep | netgear, if you make the fs manually you must remember -O resize_inode on the mkfs line |
| 13:28.28 | azeem | ah |
| 13:28.43 | sep | netgear, this all assumes you use ext3 ofcouse |
| 13:28.56 | spacix | azeem: Any clue? |
| 13:28.56 | netgear | yes im on etch and use ext3 |
| 13:29.12 | azeem | no |
| 13:29.18 | Jyzygzel- | Booting the kernel. ALERT! /dev/sda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 13:29.18 | sep | netgear, do you have lvm ? |
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| 13:29.33 | sep | and did the etch installer make the fs for you ? |
| 13:29.40 | netgear | sep, i dont have a clue what lvm is -- local volime management? |
| 13:29.41 | Jyzygzel- | would that mean my grub conf is messed up |
| 13:29.47 | sep | logical yes |
| 13:29.53 | netgear | yes my root was made by installer |
| 13:29.57 | sep | type mount and youll see where / is mounted |
| 13:30.06 | netgear | the other partition was my windows installation which i wiped |
| 13:30.12 | netgear | /dev/hda2 |
| 13:30.18 | sep | then you dont have lvm |
| 13:30.24 | Jyzygzel- | what |
| 13:30.55 | sep | netgear, in that case you may be unable to resize, becouse hda[3|4] may start right behind hda2 |
| 13:31.18 | netgear | sep the other partition is hda1 |
| 13:31.26 | sep | netgear, so you may be easier of too make a new partition and mount it as a part of root only eg /var or /usr or /home ? |
| 13:31.36 | spacix | Anyone knows a good PDF reader for debian?? |
| 13:31.37 | sep | do you have space free behind hda2 ? |
| 13:31.40 | Jyzygzel- | How do i figure out where is my linux partition?? |
| 13:31.43 | netgear | but the thing is i want root smaller |
| 13:31.43 | Jyzygzel- | and whats its name |
| 13:31.45 | iceassign | is there any WM smaller than blackbox? |
| 13:31.49 | sep | Jyzygzel-, mount |
| 13:31.55 | Jyzygzel- | its not mounted |
| 13:32.31 | sep | netgear, ahh. run in singleusermode, stop everything not needed, and mount -o remount,ro / |
| 13:32.44 | Jyzygzel- | anything else? |
| 13:32.50 | Jyzygzel- | busybox does not have fdisk |
| 13:32.53 | sep | then pray. (or boot a livecd, and use gparted) |
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| 13:32.55 | iceassign | what is /dev/null? |
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| 13:33.23 | sep | iceassign, the void, the abyss.. where you put thing you dont want back. |
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| 13:34.43 | nutria | hi guys, I have a debian mirror here, this is my debmirror.script http://rafb.net/p/8d3uWq80.html, I have i386 and ia64 but --nosource, I expect to fill approximately 40GB disk space but got more then 50GB is normal for u? is man debmirror uptodate in the "ARCHIVE SIZE" section? tnx a lot |
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| 13:35.55 | nutria | /dev/null is a black hole in your filesystem |
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| 13:36.47 | o2T7 | How could i encrypt a drive at run time? |
| 13:37.31 | tralala | o2T7, how do you define "at runtime"? |
| 13:37.34 | epsilon | you have to create a new partition from scratch with encryption |
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| 13:38.27 | o2T7 | The system boot with the drive crypted and i can decypher it for reading once the SO have booted |
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| 13:39.34 | iceassign | how do I install X in debian? |
| 13:39.40 | iceassign | I install fluxbox |
| 13:39.43 | iceassign | installed* |
| 13:39.50 | epsilon | install xorg package |
| 13:39.53 | iceassign | how? |
| 13:40.01 | netgear | apt-get install x-org |
| 13:40.02 | epsilon | apt-get install foobar |
| 13:40.16 | jeff_hann | aptitude install xorg |
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| 13:40.28 | netgear | apt-cache search x-org and see what is listed |
| 13:40.38 | jeff_hann | netgear, xorg |
| 13:40.39 | epsilon | without '-' |
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| 13:40.53 | netgear | thanks epsilon |
| 13:40.58 | iceassign | thanks |
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| 13:42.52 | iceassign | do I need to restart for the x server to star? |
| 13:43.02 | iceassign | after installing xorg? |
| 13:43.18 | iceassign | what's Xserver? |
| 13:43.24 | iceassign | XServer* |
| 13:43.30 | nutria | u need a window manager |
| 13:43.31 | netgear | desktop environment |
| 13:43.37 | iceassign | I have fluxbox installed |
| 13:43.41 | h3sp4wn | iceassign: xinit |
| 13:43.54 | netgear | like a graphical user interface |
| 13:44.01 | nutria | aptitude install xdm |
| 13:44.19 | netgear | isnt a default install with gdm? |
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| 13:44.41 | nutria | maybe |
| 13:44.59 | netgear | iceassign, what you want to do now exactly? |
| 13:45.00 | nutria | so /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 13:45.10 | h3sp4wn | If there is no xserver then its unlikely there is a gdm/xdm/kdm |
| 13:45.26 | GuySoft | um how should the file /etc/vsftpd.chroot_list look like? |
| 13:45.51 | h3sp4wn | and he asked how to start x not install an X display manager |
| 13:46.22 | nutria | u right sorry |
| 13:46.37 | iceassign | I installed xorg |
| 13:46.45 | iceassign | but fluxbox won't start |
| 13:46.48 | h3sp4wn | iceassign: You can just have - exec /usr/bin/startfluxbox in ~/.xinitrc |
| 13:47.04 | Penix | GuySoft: just put usernames in it. seperated by new lines |
| 13:47.13 | h3sp4wn | iceassign: (presuming X is working and fluxbox is installed) |
| 13:47.18 | h3sp4wn | iceassign: then just run xinit |
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| 13:47.41 | GuySoft | Penix, that simple :) |
| 13:47.52 | iceassign | I installed fluxbox before I installed xorg |
| 13:47.55 | iceassign | is that a problem? |
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| 13:48.04 | h3sp4wn | No |
| 13:48.42 | iceassign | is XServer part of xorg? |
| 13:48.50 | iceassign | because I installed it |
| 13:48.56 | netgear | apt-get install fluxbox make sure its installed |
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| 13:49.02 | netgear | apt-get install xorg |
| 13:49.17 | netgear | if you see no packages needs to be updated its installed |
| 13:49.47 | Penix | just apt-get install x-window-system or x-window-system-core or something |
| 13:49.52 | Penix | probably end up saving you trouble |
| 13:50.00 | iceassign | what's the X server daemon called? |
| 13:50.15 | Penix | iceassign: X, believe it or not |
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| 13:50.52 | netgear | iceassign, let me ask you this, where are you chatting from? |
| 13:51.05 | netgear | what program |
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| 13:51.59 | iceassign | startx makes fluxbox work but xinit doesn't |
| 13:52.13 | iceassign | xinit I get a white terminal |
| 13:52.18 | iceassign | startx I get fluxbox |
| 13:52.22 | h3sp4wn | iceassign: well you didn't create .xinitrc then |
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| 13:52.37 | Penix | if startx works, use it |
| 13:52.40 | iceassign | what is .xinitrc? |
| 13:53.06 | \amethyst | iceassign: man xinit would tell you |
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| 13:55.19 | suppaman | I have to get an etch installer |
| 13:55.28 | justu1 | hello! how do i set the java classpath, so that i don't have to type export JAVA="/usr/..." everytime in the console? i want it to be set for every user. |
| 13:55.38 | iceassign | What do I put inside .xinitrc? |
| 13:55.57 | Penix | iceassign: something like fluxbox, but since startx works, you can forget about it for now |
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| 13:56.12 | Penix | iceassign: unless you want to run other apps at startup |
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| 13:57.15 | Penix | !tell suppaman about install debian |
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| 13:58.35 | suppaman | Penix: thanks, I just had to decide if grab a netinst of the first cd from the set as I happen to have noone lying around |
| 13:58.38 | iceassign | where is the system .xinitrc? |
| 13:58.44 | iceassign | not the ~/ one |
| 13:58.52 | suppaman | iceassign: usually in your home dir |
| 13:58.58 | Penix | suppaman: go netinst for sure |
| 13:59.11 | suppaman | iceassign: then it should not be a .xinitrc, a system wide file would be called xinitrc rather |
| 13:59.26 | suppaman | most important thing is a nice cd art to print on the discc |
| 13:59.28 | suppaman | disc* |
| 13:59.31 | elmo40 | is hddtemp accurate? It says my drive is 84C :/ |
| 13:59.59 | Penix | elmo40: or maybe, rather, is your disk's temp sensor accurate? |
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| 14:00.15 | elmo40 | true enough. |
| 14:00.50 | Penix | surely 84C would kill it |
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| 14:01.51 | tralala | if that's accurate you don't have to pay extra money for using your stove - just use the hdd |
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| 14:02.18 | tralala | (while it lasts) |
| 14:02.29 | elmo40 | i opened the case, and touched thr drive. It is warm, but not hot to touch. |
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| 14:02.39 | elmo40 | bad sensor calibration, i guess. |
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| 14:02.46 | themill | :( I was looking forward to a fry up |
| 14:02.59 | elmo40 | themill: maybe next week. |
| 14:03.07 | tralala | elmo40, wow, that was brave from you! |
| 14:03.19 | Penix | pfft |
| 14:03.21 | elmo40 | i will get an old 500Mb drive and cram it with data thorouput. |
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| 14:03.41 | Jyzygzel- | How do i figure out where is my linux partition?? |
| 14:03.50 | elmo40 | df |
| 14:03.53 | elmo40 | cfdisk |
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| 14:04.01 | elmo40 | cat /etc/fstab |
| 14:04.08 | elmo40 | there are a few ways... |
| 14:04.11 | elmo40 | gparted |
| 14:04.19 | Jyzygzel- | everything says not found |
| 14:04.27 | elmo40 | are you even IN Linux? |
| 14:04.30 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, why do you have to firgure it out? |
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| 14:04.39 | Jyzygzel- | cause i don't remember |
| 14:04.41 | iceassign | how do I set the resolutoin of fluxbox |
| 14:04.42 | Jyzygzel- | im in busibox |
| 14:04.47 | iceassign | I watn 800 x 600 |
| 14:04.49 | Penix | iceassign: you don't |
| 14:04.50 | Jyzygzel- | busybox |
| 14:04.59 | iceassign | why can't I change res? |
| 14:04.59 | elmo40 | iceassign: resolution? that is dependent on X. |
| 14:05.01 | Jyzygzel- | i have wrong path in my grub conf |
| 14:05.07 | Jyzygzel- | and i don't know the right one |
| 14:05.10 | themill | !drxx iceassign |
| 14:05.10 | dpkg | iceassign: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:05.23 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, grub has command line mode - try to guess it |
| 14:05.27 | elmo40 | Jyzygzel-: all the names i gave you show nothing? |
| 14:05.31 | Jyzygzel- | try to gues........ |
| 14:05.31 | elmo40 | then you have nothing... |
| 14:05.35 | Penix | Jyzygzel-: do you know which actual partition you installed to? like, first, second...? |
| 14:05.46 | Jyzygzel- | no i don't |
| 14:05.54 | GuySoft | hey, i am trying to get vsftp working and i get the error: 530 This FTP server is anonymous only. |
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| 14:05.59 | GuySoft | what is worng? |
| 14:06.00 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, it shouldn't be too hard unless you've got hundreds of partitions |
| 14:06.06 | Jyzygzel- | how do i code a loop to try them all |
| 14:06.15 | Penix | Jyzygzel-: grub has a find command IIRC that can locate a kernel on a compatible filesystem |
| 14:06.19 | Penix | dunno if it'd work |
| 14:06.22 | Jyzygzel- | good |
| 14:06.25 | Jyzygzel- | ill do that |
| 14:06.41 | Penix | otherwise, use a live cd |
| 14:06.47 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, try to type some path and press tab - if the path is there grub will autocomplete it |
| 14:07.03 | elmo40 | Jyzygzel-: code a loop to find your drive? Shit... type df to show what is being used. |
| 14:07.16 | tralala | e.g. /boot/vmlinuz-<TAB> |
| 14:07.16 | elmo40 | oh wait, you are STILL in Grub? Sorry. |
| 14:07.25 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 14:07.30 | Jyzygzel- | well im in grub now |
| 14:08.05 | elmo40 | easiest way would have been to use a liveCD ;) Then you can also edit your Grub at the same time. |
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| 14:08.33 | Jyzygzel- | i only have ubuntu live |
| 14:08.34 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, start with modifying the "root" line, and then try to edit the initrd line |
| 14:08.42 | Penix | or you could just tell grub to try a partition |
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| 14:09.15 | Jyzygzel- | i need to tell grub try every partition |
| 14:09.25 | Jyzygzel- | the TAB completion is not working |
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| 14:09.29 | AVRS | hi |
| 14:09.30 | Penix | Jyzygzel-: how many do you have? |
| 14:09.35 | Jyzygzel- | like 10 |
| 14:09.39 | Penix | ffs |
| 14:09.42 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, move on to the next partition and retry |
| 14:09.56 | Jyzygzel- | ya know how long it takes to test them all |
| 14:10.04 | Jyzygzel- | *TEST* wait.. reboot |
| 14:10.04 | elmo40 | Jyzygzel-: if you have an Ubuntu disc, reboot into it. It might automount all your drives, then you can use gparted to see where everything is located, and edit your Grub properly/easily. |
| 14:10.04 | tralala | 2 minutes |
| 14:10.05 | jelly | 2 minutes? |
| 14:10.07 | AVRS | By chance, does anyone know the option to be used to prevent the system from crashing when using a scanner with an aha152x SCSI card? |
| 14:10.10 | Jyzygzel- | prolly 20 minutes |
| 14:10.14 | Penix | you know how much harder 10 partitions makes it? |
| 14:10.19 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, you _don't_ need to reboot |
| 14:10.20 | jelly | Jyzygzel-: you don't need to reboot at all |
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| 14:10.25 | Jyzygzel- | ya i do |
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| 14:10.28 | tralala | !lose jelly |
| 14:10.28 | dpkg | jelly: You Lose. |
| 14:10.28 | Jyzygzel- | to try the others |
| 14:10.32 | elmo40 | AVRS: prevent crashing? :/ |
| 14:10.37 | AVRS | elmo40: hanging |
| 14:10.42 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, bullshit |
| 14:10.48 | Penix | if grub can't load one partition, you go straight back and try again |
| 14:10.51 | Penix | no reboot |
| 14:10.55 | AVRS | elmo40: when SANE starts scanning, everything hangs. |
| 14:11.00 | karmatronic | AVRS: modprobe aha152x crashing=no :) |
| 14:11.04 | AVRS | nah |
| 14:11.09 | iceassign | my xinit isn't being executed |
| 14:11.11 | jelly | Jyzygzel-: use grub's prompt and find a partition that looks like linux |
| 14:11.17 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, don't try to boot, just try the tab completion |
| 14:11.17 | iceassign | .xinitrc |
| 14:11.42 | jelly | Jyzygzel-: if you don't know how to do that, say so. |
| 14:11.43 | Penix | iceassign: rename it to .xsession |
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| 14:11.52 | elmo40 | AVRS: cant upgrade the scanner? They are so cheap now. Get a USB scanner :P |
| 14:11.54 | karmatronic | AVRS: maybe you should check your log when you run sane-find-scanners |
| 14:12.11 | Jyzygzel- | well ill just leave it then :-D |
| 14:12.13 | AVRS | elmo40: look, I scan once in a couple of years |
| 14:12.32 | pobega_ | I'm having a problem...Lately when I run prboom (Doom Engine) it crashes upon playing sounds. Does anyone have ANY idea where I can start to fix this? |
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| 14:13.02 | AVRS | I have yet a monitor and an HDD to buy. |
| 14:13.03 | Penix | pobega_: the prboom's site and/or bug tracker? |
| 14:13.09 | Penix | or the debian bts if it seems like a debian issue |
| 14:13.10 | karmatronic | pobega_: first determine whether the game needs oss or alsa emulation |
| 14:13.10 | elmo40 | pobega_: make sure you dont have xmms or similar running before you play games. |
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| 14:13.27 | pobega_ | Penix: Well I already went there but the bug hasn't been reported; Or at least the precise one I'm getting. |
| 14:13.35 | karmatronic | pobega_: if it s oss and you re using alsa , be sure snd-oss is loaded |
| 14:14.00 | elmo40 | but he said Lately... as in something has changed and it is now crashing. |
| 14:14.05 | karmatronic | pobega_: check if there s not sound server running (esd or arts) when you launch the game |
| 14:14.12 | jelly | tralala: best 3 out of 5? |
| 14:14.12 | pobega_ | karmatronic: I don't think that's the problem; The game works perfectly up until the point where I shoot my gun, i.e. the menu sounds work. |
| 14:14.32 | tralala | jelly, eh? |
| 14:14.36 | karmatronic | pobega_: maybe the game is non-violent |
| 14:14.39 | pobega_ | elmo40: Correct. It worked a few months ago, I've just been busy with school and haven't taken the time to fix it. |
| 14:14.43 | pobega_ | karmatronic: Child locks? :( |
| 14:14.47 | jelly | tralala: Re: <tralala> !lose jelly |
| 14:14.50 | karmatronic | :) |
| 14:15.05 | pobega_ | If only the problem were that simple. |
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| 14:15.12 | elmo40 | pobega_: run it from console to get some debug info. |
| 14:15.23 | pobega_ | I've tried running the program with the standard output into a file, but that doesn't show any errors. |
| 14:15.28 | pobega_ | i.e. prboom > prboom.log |
| 14:15.38 | elmo40 | then join (if they exist) #alsa #oss and see if they have any ideas. |
| 14:15.51 | Penix | have you upgraded any packages that it might depend on since you last played it? |
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| 14:16.11 | pobega_ | Penix: At this point in time I wouldn't remember, but I'll check out all the packages it depends on. |
| 14:16.28 | tralala | jelly, I can't make the connection with your question |
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| 14:16.40 | pobega_ | I actually think it might be from an SDL upgrade. |
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| 14:16.46 | elmo40 | pobega_: what version of prboom do you have? |
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| 14:16.56 | pobega_ | Version: 2:2.4.6+dfsg-1 |
| 14:17.11 | pobega_ | So I'm assuming 2.4.6? |
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| 14:17.14 | elmo40 | maybe try dpkg-reconfigure prboom ? |
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| 14:17.42 | Penix | if it was a sound system problem, I'd assume you'd get away with playing with no sound. |
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| 14:17.52 | Orion_X11 | which is the best laptop to install debian in it? Toshiba? |
| 14:17.52 | Penix | so, yeah, might be something like sdl if it's crashing |
| 14:17.57 | Penix | !best |
| 14:17.58 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 14:18.02 | iceassign | how do I scroll up in bash |
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| 14:18.09 | iceassign | to see what I typed a page back |
| 14:18.19 | iceassign | in terminal mode? |
| 14:18.21 | tralala | Orion_X11, ibm |
| 14:18.21 | Penix | iceassign: you scroll up in your terminal |
| 14:18.29 | iceassign | I'm not using a WM |
| 14:18.31 | Penix | iceassign: shift+pgup/pgdn |
| 14:18.35 | pobega_ | elmo40: http://pastebin.ca/814636 |
| 14:18.38 | wols | tralala: too bad IBM doesn't make any notebooks :P |
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| 14:18.47 | tralala | wols, indeed |
| 14:18.52 | suppaman | wols: lenovo ? |
| 14:18.59 | Orion_X11 | tralala: Why? |
| 14:19.16 | pobega_ | I find it weird that dpkg-reconfigure is giving me errors...http://pastebin.ca/814636 |
| 14:19.20 | tralala | lenovo < ibm (<<<<) |
| 14:19.23 | elmo40 | wols: they used to make an excellent one! Damn chinese... |
| 14:19.36 | positron2007 | Hello! Can someone help me with the kernel? I just wanted to check for AGP and DRM |
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| 14:19.49 | elmo40 | drm? |
| 14:19.51 | pobega_ | Orion_X11: I've heard good things about the Thinkpad T60. |
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| 14:20.06 | tralala | Orion_X11, for many reasons, including the existance of thinkwiki.org |
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| 14:20.13 | wols | elmo40: IBM didn't make notebooks for a long time if ever. it always were the chinese that built it |
| 14:20.18 | positron2007 | /usr/src/linux points to linux -> linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686, is this correct? |
| 14:20.26 | elmo40 | even before Lenovo? |
| 14:20.51 | iceassign | icewm is much better than fluxbox |
| 14:20.57 | iceassign | IMHO |
| 14:20.59 | wols | yes. just like no one in the US makes notebooks. not dell, not apple, etc |
| 14:21.11 | tralala | wols, it doesn't matter who builds it, it only matters how it's built |
| 14:21.20 | elmo40 | a budy of mine has an R series, and the lower RAM chip literally melted the solder off of it, dripped on the MOBO and shorted it out! Seriously! All he had to do was remove the dead RAM and the solder, now it is fine. Talk about horrible design. |
| 14:21.29 | SpeedyG | apple, designed in california, made in taiwan/china/japan somewhere ;) |
| 14:21.48 | wols | SpeedyG: not japan. too expensive |
| 14:21.52 | SpeedyG | wols: true :) |
| 14:21.54 | elmo40 | G4 was their best lappy. |
| 14:21.54 | pobega_ | Anyone have any idea why I'm getting dpkg-reconfigure errors? http://pastebin.ca/814636 |
| 14:21.59 | SpeedyG | somewhere in that region anyway ;) |
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| 14:22.27 | wols | SpeedyG: broken postinst script? |
| 14:22.33 | elmo40 | pobega_: just remove it, and install it again. |
| 14:22.43 | jelly | tralala: [question] <tralala> 2 minutes <jelly> 2 minutes? [another question] <tralala> Jyzygzel-, you _don't_ need to reboot <jelly> Jyzygzel-: you don't need to reboot at all [...] <tralala> !lose jelly |
| 14:22.58 | Orion_X11 | Perhaps I could put it better: Which is the best laptop brand who supports linux nowadays? |
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| 14:23.14 | SpeedyG | wols: I guess that was meant for pobega_ ;) |
| 14:23.14 | sint | hey, is there a way to create a directory where every user can read AND WRITE? i thought about using the group users, but when i copy a file there its always user:user |
| 14:23.16 | tralala | I have a 600e (model 1999) that still works great. I also have an X30 which also is great |
| 14:23.16 | pobega_ | Orion_X11: I use System76, but they install Ubuntu by default (Just gotta wrestle a bit to get Debian on it) |
| 14:23.34 | zinx | the 600e has a terrible terrible video card :( |
| 14:23.35 | SpeedyG | pobega_: you've probably removed a comment character somewhere |
| 14:23.38 | positron2007 | wols, can you help me this time? |
| 14:23.47 | wols | positron2007: with what? |
| 14:23.56 | positron2007 | It's written a bit above |
| 14:23.59 | positron2007 | With the kernel |
| 14:24.08 | tralala | zinx, which nevertheless can play dvds and divxs (using some hints from thinkiwki) |
| 14:24.57 | tralala | jelly, yes, I remember all this. I don't get what "best 3 out of 5" means. |
| 14:24.59 | wols | positron2007: yes |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | sint: you mean like /tmp/ ? |
| 14:25.08 | wols | positron2007: /usr/src/linux/ is a symlink tho |
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| 14:25.34 | positron2007 | I know that but instead of headers it should be source, I think |
| 14:25.42 | runa | hey :) what can I use to colorize some lines of a file (something like grep --color=auto but showing the lines that don't match too) ? |
| 14:25.46 | wols | positron2007: you think wrong |
| 14:25.47 | jelly | tralala: you won two times. |
| 14:25.50 | positron2007 | Allright |
| 14:26.00 | positron2007 | I did make menuconfig and it doesn't work |
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| 14:26.03 | wols | !wayttd positron2007 |
| 14:26.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, positron2007? |
| 14:26.08 | tralala | jelly, ah, so that's a challenge? :) |
| 14:26.14 | positron2007 | Gettting DRI to work |
| 14:26.23 | elmo40 | dri? |
| 14:26.28 | wols | and why do you need to compile a kernel for that? |
| 14:26.32 | elmo40 | you said drm before... |
| 14:26.36 | sint | abrotman: not sure about /tmp/. but it seems to be writeable for everyone |
| 14:26.36 | positron2007 | To check for drm |
| 14:26.44 | abrotman | sint: that's what you just asked for |
| 14:26.48 | wols | elmo40: Direct Rendering infrastructure, provided by DRM Direct Rendering Module |
| 14:27.12 | wols | positron2007: that isn't answering my question. to "check" something you don't recompile it... |
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| 14:27.31 | sint | abrotman: but this seems to be simple, just make the directory 777 or something like this. i mean, force files to be username:users |
| 14:27.39 | pobega_ | wols: Purged all config files and the engine, and reinstalled, yet it still crashes. |
| 14:27.49 | positron2007 | I just to go through the menuconfig to see if DRM is set |
| 14:27.58 | sint | abrotman: so everyone can edit/delete files |
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| 14:28.19 | tralala | positron2007, grep DRM /boot/config-2.6.18* |
| 14:28.22 | wols | sint: set a different umask? |
| 14:29.06 | positron2007 | tralala, I have 11 variables with m |
| 14:29.12 | positron2007 | Is it modules? |
| 14:29.15 | tralala | yes |
| 14:29.25 | SpeedyG | pobega_: same error? |
| 14:29.29 | positron2007 | I did glxinfo |grep rendering but I don't have that command |
| 14:29.34 | pobega_ | SpeedyG: Same problem -- No error. |
| 14:29.40 | wols | positron2007: mesa-utils |
| 14:29.45 | pobega_ | If I had an error then perhaps I'd be able to fix this. |
| 14:29.46 | positron2007 | Thanks |
| 14:30.04 | karmatronic | pobega_: but what s the symptom ? |
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| 14:30.30 | sint | wols: k, seems like the thing i was searching for. thought umask is just something you can use while mount. but it seems also work while creating directories. i should use the man then ;) |
| 14:30.35 | sint | wols: thanks |
| 14:30.42 | positron2007 | direct rendering: Yes |
| 14:30.44 | positron2007 | Cool| |
| 14:30.47 | pobega_ | karmatronic: Menu sounds work, no BGM. When I hit 'Start New' everything runs fine until I try to shoot; Once I hit Ctrl to shoot everything just stops running (I'm assuming it's a problem with the sound, since from what I remember playing with sound muted works fine) |
| 14:30.48 | positron2007 | Thanks! |
| 14:31.47 | positron2007 | By the way, why isn't pidgin in apt? |
| 14:31.57 | abrotman | it is .. as gaim |
| 14:32.12 | positron2007 | They had problems with AIM and changed their name |
| 14:32.15 | positron2007 | Allright |
| 14:32.39 | wols | !pidgin |
| 14:32.40 | dpkg | i heard pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
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| 14:33.23 | abrotman | positron2007: the gaim in etch is like gaim 1.99+++RC342145 |
| 14:33.27 | abrotman | it is pidgin basically |
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| 14:34.23 | ktwilight | i've got an XFS partition, it doesn't mount 'cuz the superblock can't be found, which was weird. i tried xfs_repair but it didn't give me any good results. i tried with xfs_repair -o assume_xfs /dev/sda and it still doesn't seem to work. so how can i mount this partition when it can't find the superblock? i know there are contents 'cuz i transfered files to it and umount it before rebooting. |
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| 14:37.10 | abrotman | might also want to ask #xfs |
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| 14:38.47 | ktwilight | thank abrotman |
| 14:39.39 | tralala | !thank abrotman |
| 14:39.39 | dpkg | my pleasure, tralala |
| 14:39.45 | tralala | meh |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:41.07 | iceassign | does vmware tools support icewm or fluxbox? |
| 14:42.05 | karmatronic | iceassign: yes |
| 14:42.24 | iceassign | doesn't seem to work |
| 14:42.31 | karmatronic | iceassign:you just need vmware tools for copy and paste stuff actually |
| 14:43.11 | iceassign | it's not working |
| 14:43.15 | iceassign | oh well |
| 14:43.54 | iceassign | I think I'm off now then |
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| 14:44.05 | iceassign | Thanks for all the help! |
| 14:44.07 | iceassign | : ) |
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| 14:50.51 | Tchinkatchuk | hi all |
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| 14:52.20 | Tchinkatchuk | I have a debian etch 4.0 and I can not use iptables : """iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)""". I do not know what to do because it seems to have been compiled with all modules needed. Someone knows how I could know if available modules have been loaded |
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| 14:53.02 | tralala | Tchinkatchuk, use shorewall |
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| 14:53.40 | karmatronic | tralala: modinfo ip_tables |
| 14:54.06 | tralala | karmatronic, one-key tab completion sucks |
| 14:55.51 | Tchinkatchuk | member:tralala : thx. Shorewall is a substitute to iptables, isn't it ? I really need iptables in order to use it with apache and mod_evasive |
| 14:56.18 | abrotman | Tchinkatchuk: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 14:56.22 | liable | its a front end for it |
| 14:57.07 | Tchinkatchuk | abrotman: no, hte host manager has done it for me twice but I am not sure he did right. I asked him to compile with module needed for iptables but ... |
| 14:57.26 | tralala | Tchinkatchuk, shorewall is iptables made easy + much more |
| 14:57.27 | abrotman | Tchinkatchuk: check the config |
| 14:57.38 | wols | Tchinkatchuk: any reason you can't use a debian kernel? cause that one has iptables compiled in properly |
| 14:57.48 | Tchinkatchuk | abrotman: i am a real noob. I 'll check thx |
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| 15:04.27 | chiNese_chaTTer | eh, hi, I've got one little question... how can I use 'tc' on my Debian-Server? |
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| 15:05.13 | abrotman | chiNese_chaTTer: install it ? |
| 15:05.47 | chiNese_chaTTer | yeah, where can I get it? the easiest way by apt didn't find any results. Or how is the package called? |
| 15:05.59 | abrotman | !tell chiNese_chaTTer about search |
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| 15:07.28 | rebo123 | hello |
| 15:07.44 | rebo123 | I have a question about memory management |
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| 15:09.02 | rebo123 | when I type free -m, it shows 174 free (-/+ buffers/cache) and 21 used in swap [of 250 total] |
| 15:09.18 | rebo123 | why would swap be used when there is such a copious amount of ram available? |
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| 15:09.50 | rebo123 | can I somehow get it to move the swapped data to ram? |
| 15:09.52 | stew | rebo123: so that more real memory can be used for disk cached |
| 15:10.35 | rebo123 | stew: oh. so does that mean that disk cache is more important than running application data? |
| 15:11.05 | stew | rebo123: it means that disk cache is more important than application data that is seemingly not being used |
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| 15:11.13 | wols | rebo123: nott every byte of your app is used always. there are often pages of code that are never used |
| 15:11.25 | stew | rebo123: this is generally a good thing, but if you don't like it you can decrease your 'swappiness': /msg dpkg swappiness |
| 15:11.37 | jericho99 | is there anyone who user ldap authentification here |
| 15:11.37 | rebo123 | mm I see |
| 15:11.40 | rebo123 | cool |
| 15:11.59 | liable | he is still in the channel, but his client is always here, he may have gone to lunch or something |
| 15:12.34 | liable | jesus christ, i seem to type more shit in the wrong window than the right one |
| 15:12.51 | Tchinkatchuk | abroman: In config file in boot dir, I have CONFIG_NETFILTER_XTABLES=m. I think it is wrong, does it |
| 15:12.52 | nutria | on? |
| 15:13.49 | Tchinkatchuk | abrotman: In config file in boot dir, I have CONFIG_NETFILTER_XTABLES=m. I think it is wrong, does it |
| 15:14.08 | abrotman | i don't think that's it |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | i think it's more like CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES |
| 15:14.32 | XoX | fish baananas |
| 15:14.36 | abrotman | just a guess |
| 15:14.44 | Tchinkatchuk | abrotman : it should not be "CONFIG_NETFILTER_XTABLES=y" ? |
| 15:14.47 | XoX | FiSH with Candy and chocolate |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | Tchinkatchuk: you'd want to double check with #iptables or #kernel .. but XTABLES doesn't seem right |
| 15:15.24 | Tchinkatchuk | abrotman: sorry, it is CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES=m |
| 15:15.27 | abrotman | liable: jesus christ is in the channel ? |
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| 15:15.39 | chiNese_chaTTer | ah, ok, apt-file didn't help me, but a second search on google did. 'iproute' was the missing package for 'tc' |
| 15:15.49 | chiNese_chaTTer | neverthelesse, thx |
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| 15:16.14 | wols | Tchinkatchuk: there are many netfilter config settings. not just this one |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | then oyu used apt-file wrong |
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| 15:16.36 | abrotman | !oyu |
| 15:16.37 | dpkg | methinks oyu is because abrotman can't type "you" to save his life |
| 15:16.55 | liable | abrotman: he must be afk |
| 15:17.11 | abrotman | liable: heh |
| 15:17.44 | Tchinkatchuk | wols: abrotman: all CONFIG_IP_NF_XXX is 'm' in my config file |
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| 15:19.24 | wols | Tchinkatchuk: again, why do you need s epcial kernel when debian's kernel has all this already? |
| 15:20.50 | Tchinkatchuk | wols: I do not wwant a new one. I just want iptables to work cause I really need it fir my web server security. Host manager told me he compiled kernel with iptables modules, etc but iptables -L does ot even work and I do not know anything about linux admin |
| 15:22.24 | abrotman | use the debian kernel |
| 15:22.50 | wols | Tchinkatchuk: the debian kernel has iptables and it's working there |
| 15:24.03 | Tchinkatchuk | wols: strange. iptables is in for me but "iptables -L" ==> "iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 15:24.03 | rebo123 | hm. I read the stuff about swappiness. But I can't seem to be able to change mine (Permission denied, even as super-user). I'm running 'sudo echo 50 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness' |
| 15:24.04 | Tchinkatchuk | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded." All google searchs told me that compilation does not include right config. I just want ot be sure what to do now. |
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| 15:24.50 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: modinfo iptables_tables |
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| 15:25.11 | wols | rebo123: do not use sudo |
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| 15:25.23 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: sorry i meant modinfo ip_tables |
| 15:25.27 | wols | rebo123: which debian do you run? |
| 15:25.31 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 15:25.32 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: results in "modinfo: could not find module iptables_tables" |
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| 15:25.40 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: yes i was wrong |
| 15:25.41 | rebo123 | wols: stable, I think. |
| 15:25.46 | karmatronic | thomas__: i meant modinfo ip_tables |
| 15:25.51 | Daemon-- | is stable sarge? |
| 15:25.58 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: i meant modinfo ip_tables |
| 15:26.00 | suppaman | I'm liking this Colloquy |
| 15:26.03 | suppaman | translation apart |
| 15:26.08 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: filename: /lib/modules/2.6.19.1-2ikl/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko |
| 15:26.09 | Tchinkatchuk | license: GPL |
| 15:26.09 | Tchinkatchuk | author: Netfilter Core Team <coreteam@netfilter.org> |
| 15:26.09 | Tchinkatchuk | description: IPv4 packet filter |
| 15:26.09 | Tchinkatchuk | vermagic: 2.6.19.1-2ikl SMP preempt mod_unload 586 |
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| 15:26.31 | rebo123 | Daemon--: *strains to remember* I think I upgraded from sarge a couple of months ago. I probably have the next one (etch?) |
| 15:26.34 | reiser2 | to backup evolution i need only copy .evolution file? |
| 15:26.38 | liable | Tchinkatchuk: there are a shitload more modules than just iptables |
| 15:26.39 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: i meant modinfo iptable_filter |
| 15:26.40 | reiser2 | right ? |
| 15:26.43 | rebo123 | Daemon--: how do I check again? |
| 15:26.48 | wols | rebo123: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:27.01 | mindframe- | OpenSSH 4.3p2 Debian 9 - is this Lenny? |
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| 15:27.13 | wols | !tell mindframe- about search |
| 15:27.15 | Daemon-- | unsure, i just want to download etch and im not sure if its stable or testing |
| 15:27.16 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: dont paste |
| 15:27.23 | wols | Daemon--: it's stable |
| 15:27.27 | Daemon-- | ta |
| 15:27.29 | wols | !tell Daemon-- about etch |
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| 15:27.30 | rebo123 | I have 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 then |
| 15:27.31 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: yes sorry |
| 15:27.46 | engla | I have 1:4.6p1-5 on lenny |
| 15:28.10 | wols | rebo123: as I said, don't use sudo |
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| 15:28.43 | rebo123 | wols: oh. shouldn't it work the same? |
| 15:28.54 | kainaw | Can anyone help with a Postgresql problem that the #postgresql people say is Debian-specific? |
| 15:28.58 | wols | rebo123: not with redirection like this |
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| 15:29.11 | wols | !tell kainaw about ask |
| 15:29.13 | rebo123 | wols: ah |
| 15:29.21 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: http://hashbin.com/19a5e.html |
| 15:29.22 | karmatronic | kainaw: if its debian-specific , we can try |
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| 15:29.47 | kainaw | I've been working for 10 days straight on trying to get a cluster to start. I use "pg_ctlcluster 8.0 main start" and I get "Missing command in piped open at /usr/share/postgresql-common/PgCommon.pm line 706." Can anyone point me in a direction that will hopefully solve this problem? |
| 15:30.01 | buscon | Hi, I upgraded my kernel from etch 2.6.18 to sid 2.6.22 - now my hda device is sda, and my system cannot start with the new kernel |
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| 15:30.17 | rebo123 | wols: Alright, I wrote the value I wanted (logged in with 'sudo sh'). Do I need to restart anything for the changes to take effect? |
| 15:30.20 | buscon | how can I do? should I change hda to sda in /etc/fstab ? |
| 15:30.21 | wols | kainaw: cheked this line 706? |
| 15:30.31 | wols | rebo123: no clue |
| 15:30.38 | rebo123 | my swapped amount is still the same |
| 15:30.43 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: http://hashbin.com/19a5f.html |
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| 15:31.01 | kainaw | Yes, it is: open (CTRL, '-|', $pg_controldata, (cluster_data_directory $version, $cluster)) |
| 15:31.07 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: my result when i run lsmod | grep iptable |
| 15:31.30 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: I have nothing when I run it |
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| 15:32.26 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have mounted a fat32 partition in my fstab file, I'm able to write files there as user, but I cannot overwrite files as user, just as root, this is my fstab file http://pastebin.ca/814365 any clue? |
| 15:32.55 | wols | !vfatrw |
| 15:32.55 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 15:33.11 | azeem | Ÿ/W 23 |
| 15:33.13 | azeem | oops |
| 15:33.53 | stew | buscon: even better is to switch to using UUIDs instead of device names, which would work with either kernel. both fstab and grub can use something like "UUID=1234..." instead of "/dev/hda1". you can learn the uuid of your partition by looking at "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
| 15:34.01 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: do you have iptables package ? |
| 15:34.06 | stew | usually its window 28, not 23 |
| 15:34.18 | buscon | stew, ok thank you |
| 15:35.35 | spq | how do i compile a module for a debian kernel? |
| 15:35.44 | spq | (i want to add drbd support) |
| 15:36.09 | rebo123 | Alright, I know how to force swapped pages into real memory now: swapoff <swap device>, then swapon -a |
| 15:36.12 | karmatronic | !tell spq m-a |
| 15:36.23 | stew | spq: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 15:36.24 | rebo123 | et voila, swap usage is 0 |
| 15:36.35 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: I did an aptitude of iptables |
| 15:36.40 | spq | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 15:37.05 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: so ? |
| 15:37.20 | stew | spq: do you need drbd7 or drbd8? |
| 15:37.28 | spq | 8 |
| 15:37.42 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: nothing to update or install for iptables |
| 15:38.27 | stew | spq: aptitude install build-essential modules-assistant ; then go to http://packages.debian.org/drbd8-source and download the drbd8-source .deb ; dpkg -i drbd8-source_$version.deb ; m-a a-i prepare ; m-a a-i drbd8 |
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| 15:39.01 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: modprobe ip_tables |
| 15:39.09 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: modprobe ip_filter |
| 15:39.42 | stew | spq: then you'll probably want to install drbd8-utils from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 15:39.57 | karmatronic | Tchinkatchuk: soory 2ne one is modprobe iptable_filter |
| 15:39.58 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: http://hashbin.com/19a60.html |
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| 15:40.05 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: thx for all your help and time |
| 15:40.16 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: ok |
| 15:41.00 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: http://hashbin.com/19a61.html |
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| 15:42.06 | hendry | hi guys, i am having problems getting X to run on my new thinkpad x61. agpgate not found. any ideas what i need to modprobe in? |
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| 15:42.20 | hendry | agpgart, sorry |
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| 15:42.35 | liable | !ping |
| 15:42.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:42.36 | hendry | intel(0) Couldn't allovate video memory |
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| 15:43.02 | hendry | i'm kinda screwed to find the answer myself without X. So here's me hoping with IRC :) |
| 15:43.04 | stew | hendry: intel-agp? |
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| 15:43.35 | liable | hendry: you can always use links2 |
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| 15:43.49 | liable | or any other number of non-x browsers |
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| 15:44.40 | hendry | stew: i modprobed that in, still same error |
| 15:45.04 | hendry | drmOpen failed |
| 15:45.06 | suppaman | bye |
| 15:45.07 | suppaman | thanks |
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| 15:45.24 | hendry | perhaps there is another agp modprobe? |
| 15:45.37 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 15:45.43 | spq | stew, i would need a newer version of module-assistant too :/ |
| 15:46.02 | Tabakhase | my damn server -.- |
| 15:46.05 | hendry | /dev/agpgart still doesn't exist here, even with intel-agp |
| 15:46.23 | karmatronic | hendry: it s a genuine kernel ? |
| 15:46.32 | rebo123 | I have a question. Since a certain point, every time I run apt-get upgrade, I get a message about the kernel version running being the same as the one being installed, and about having to reboot immediately. |
| 15:46.35 | SamuraiDio | does make diference if i compile a kernel with some drivers (to a sata controller) build in or load then as modules? |
| 15:46.50 | hendry | karmatronic: yes, stock kernel 2.6.18 |
| 15:46.58 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: yes |
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| 15:47.24 | liable | SamuraiDio: depends if you make an intrd |
| 15:47.25 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: you might need to create an initrd image to boot |
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| 15:47.28 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, is it easy to make'm build in? |
| 15:47.33 | rebo123 | Why is my kernel being overwritten with the same version so often? Is this normal? I basically have to reboot for every aptitude upgrade now! |
| 15:47.58 | liable | rebo123: security upgrades. |
| 15:48.00 | Tchinkatchuk | karmatronic: Hey ! It seems to work now ! Why ? Thanks a lot. You've made my day |
| 15:48.16 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, but how? |
| 15:48.17 | liable | rebo123: there havent been that many! |
| 15:48.20 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: actually it s easier to check whether you need to build them as modules or not |
| 15:48.21 | hendry | for some reason pipe and tab completion isn't working in my console... grr |
| 15:48.36 | rebo123 | liable: at least once every 2 months.. |
| 15:48.37 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: run your old kernel (the one from install) |
| 15:48.39 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, sorry |
| 15:48.51 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: and lsmod will list your modules |
| 15:48.52 | hendry | lsmod (pipe) agp, guys. what do you see? |
| 15:49.03 | liable | rebo123: such is life. is it really that much of a problem? |
| 15:49.15 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: if one of those module is about a sata chipset then you know.... |
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| 15:49.25 | rebo123 | liable: It's just strange.. this system used to run for years without a reboot. |
| 15:49.32 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, i have a kernel that cant boot my sata, but sometimes it boots |
| 15:49.49 | liable | rebo123: not really, there have always been kernel security updates |
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| 15:50.02 | rebo123 | liable: but they didn't require reboots before? |
| 15:50.08 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, it seens older kernels than 2.6.22 can boot fine |
| 15:50.24 | liable | rebo123: have ever since I have used debian |
| 15:50.32 | SamuraiDio | but i have removed the instalation kernel (but i think that one would have the same problem too) |
| 15:50.48 | rebo123 | liable: has my system been misconfigured this whole time? |
| 15:50.59 | ronr_ | what would be the right network if I want a network with ips 10.120-125.120-125.0-255 (so 10.120.120.X/255.255.255.0 + 10.121.121.X/255.255.255.0 etc.)? |
| 15:51.00 | rebo123 | liable: I never had to do these reboots before sarge |
| 15:51.27 | kainaw | Another debian-specific postgres issue: pg_upgradecluster says that the cluster is not running. The problem is that the cluster will not start because it is an old version. Is there another tool for upgrading clusters that won't start? |
| 15:51.45 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: ok so boot an old kernel that works |
| 15:51.58 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: run lsmod and search for SATA related modules |
| 15:52.17 | rebo123 | liable: and does that mean that ubuntu doesn't get the same updates? (It never asks to reboot. Is that just because it's not telling me about the fact that I need to, like dpkg?) |
| 15:52.18 | liable | rebo123: unlikely, just been a lot of kernel exploits found i guess |
| 15:52.26 | spq | stew, insmod: error inserting 'drbd.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 15:52.27 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: you can also simply run lscpi from your current kernel |
| 15:52.32 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: and check SATA info |
| 15:53.01 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: and then browse menuconfig while configuring the new kernel in order to find the matching module |
| 15:53.07 | liable | rebo123: if it installs a kernel, and you dont reboot, then its a bit of a wate of time, unless they use kexec (which i doubt) |
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| 15:54.01 | SexyKen | Hey guys anyone know what package "ip" is in linux |
| 15:54.03 | SexyKen | debian |
| 15:54.04 | SexyKen | rather |
| 15:54.20 | liable | iproute iirc |
| 15:54.29 | themill | !tell SexyKen about search |
| 15:54.54 | SexyKen | Yea - you search for apt-get search ip |
| 15:54.55 | rebo123 | liable: isn't there some other way to avoid the downtime? My computer has weird power management and doesn't reboot properly unless I'm there to push the button.. which means I have to drive a block to do it |
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| 15:55.06 | SexyKen | apt-cache rather |
| 15:55.11 | rebo123 | liable: it's pretty inconvenient |
| 15:55.27 | liable | rebo123: kexec is the only way i know, but have never used it |
| 15:56.06 | eth01 | I had an IRCd daemon running, which then suddently kept stopping? this was before I rebooted into the lenny kernel |
| 15:56.24 | eth01 | now, after rebooting into the lenny kernel, its working fine |
| 15:57.22 | rebo123 | :( |
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| 15:57.40 | eth01 | do you think it was the reboot which fixed it? |
| 15:57.46 | eth01 | it had been up 13 days |
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| 15:58.10 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, sure, i'll make it, once my comoputer boot, i'll download an old kernel (to have as backup) and compile a new, recent, one. |
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| 15:58.23 | fundesktop | RTL81111B isn't supported by Linux, right? |
| 15:58.37 | fundesktop | (network chip on the P35 mainboard) |
| 15:58.39 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, can i download a recente kernel from kernel.org and compile as .deb using the debian tools? |
| 15:58.45 | themill | SexyKen: apt-file -x search 'bin/ip\b' |
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| 16:01.28 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: your computer doesnt boot? |
| 16:01.33 | SamuraiDio | if someone can help: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455923 |
| 16:01.50 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, it boots some, rarely, times |
| 16:01.55 | liable | SamuraiDio: yes you can, you want kernel-package |
| 16:02.47 | SamuraiDio | liable, ok, tnx, i'll take the latest kernel... it may be better for my recent laptop |
| 16:03.04 | eth01 | !boot |
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| 16:04.08 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: does your grub config inclue an initrd line |
| 16:04.42 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, yes |
| 16:04.47 | asBook | hm |
| 16:04.57 | asBook | gnome is broken in sid? |
| 16:05.06 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, look at the bog i sent, there's all information o could get there |
| 16:05.07 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.23-1-amd64 ? |
| 16:05.10 | asBook | apt-get install gnome or gnome-core doesnt work |
| 16:05.19 | Ronin | !doesnt work |
| 16:05.22 | Ronin | !doesn't work |
| 16:05.26 | Ronin | speaking of which |
| 16:05.36 | asBook | doesn't |
| 16:05.38 | dpkg | doesnt work is probably Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:05.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:05.49 | Ronin | heh bit of a delay is all |
| 16:06.01 | asBook | and english is not my main language.. so don't bitch about it |
| 16:06.22 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: you include some sata modules but did you build the initrd image? |
| 16:06.23 | Ronin | and did we say a thing? |
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| 16:06.28 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, yes, thats it. i forgot to paste the grub menu.lst and /etc/fstab on the bug report, will do it later. |
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| 16:06.50 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, i included and run update-initramfs |
| 16:06.55 | SamuraiDio | ram |
| 16:07.05 | karmatronic | SamuraiDio: do you have a running kernel? |
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| 16:07.46 | liable | SamuraiDio: have you tried changing the drive controller settings in bios? |
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| 16:07.53 | SamuraiDio | karmatronic, actually just that one |
| 16:07.57 | liable | SamuraiDio: is it set to ahci mode? |
| 16:08.00 | SamuraiDio | liable, i cant |
| 16:08.07 | SamuraiDio | liable, not options on bios |
| 16:08.21 | liable | or enhanced mode, or whatever some retarded bioses call it |
| 16:08.29 | liable | SamuraiDio: non at all? |
| 16:08.46 | liable | both my newish boxes have options for the drive controller |
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| 16:09.53 | SamuraiDio | liable, mine has nothing, if had, i would tried it already... i installed some rpm decendent distros on sata drives at work.. |
| 16:10.18 | liable | odd |
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| 16:10.32 | SamuraiDio | liable, but mine has no this option, and, as its a notebook, with no floppy drive, i dont know how can i upgrade the bios |
| 16:10.46 | SamuraiDio | liable, i haven't even found a new bios |
| 16:10.51 | SamuraiDio | :'( |
| 16:11.15 | liable | SamuraiDio: dunno about your vendor, but ibm has bootable iso's now for bios upgrades |
| 16:11.51 | elmo40 | liable: have any links to support that? What hardware models are covered? |
| 16:11.53 | liable | which rocks, because a lot of em make you need windows for bios upgrades |
| 16:12.19 | liable | elmo40: you can find out for yourself, my t60 has them available |
| 16:12.32 | liable | no idea what others, my old r40 doesnt though |
| 16:13.22 | SamuraiDio | liable, i have a dis with the sata drivers, for ms windows only, :*( |
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| 16:13.56 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to detect my new ethernet card? 01:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) |
| 16:13.59 | liable | SamuraiDio: the fact that it boots sometimes, suggests its a bug somewhere |
| 16:14.06 | knoxy | I'm using debian etch 4.0 |
| 16:14.21 | wols | knoxy: possibly a newer kernel |
| 16:14.21 | SamuraiDio | liable, the notebook came with limpus linux installed (and the vendor links to it are broken), and a fat32 partition for system restore |
| 16:14.34 | liable | knoxy: i dunno if the etch kernel has support for that chip |
| 16:14.46 | SamuraiDio | liable, but haven't even looket at that pertition and remove the linpus in first instance |
| 16:15.00 | eth01 | where can I check the boot stuff? |
| 16:15.02 | asBook | are there any things in the kernel that makes your pc faster? some tuning stuff |
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| 16:15.10 | knoxy | wols liable how can I do to upgrade my kernel using debian packages? |
| 16:15.20 | wols | !tell knoxy about backports |
| 16:15.45 | karmatronic | asBook: hdparm speeds up your hard drives |
| 16:15.56 | asBook | hdparm is just a testing programm? |
| 16:16.01 | asBook | i meen in the kernel.. |
| 16:16.15 | SamuraiDio | liable, i ready some smilar bugs on the net, it seens that old kernel had some drivers build in and this one dont. but i nedd the recent kernel for ethernet, sound and wireless. |
| 16:16.16 | wols | asBook: no |
| 16:16.23 | asBook | some ppl said tickless system , or slub |
| 16:16.27 | asBook | that kind of stuff |
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| 16:16.41 | eth01 | where are the logs for boot? |
| 16:16.52 | wols | eth01: where all logs are |
| 16:16.53 | asBook | /var/log/syslog |
| 16:16.53 | asBook | ? |
| 16:17.13 | liable | SamuraiDio: no debian kernels have the drivers built in. thats what the intrd is for. but you could try compiling one and building the needed modules in and see if it helps |
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| 16:17.26 | wols | !tell eth01 about bootlog |
| 16:17.26 | liable | SamuraiDio: i am sceptical as to whether it would |
| 16:17.36 | asBook | wols, so.. only preemt makes your system littlebit faster? but nothing else? |
| 16:17.45 | Ronin | is it gentoo week here or something? seems to be an awful lot of questions about making systems faster lately |
| 16:17.58 | asBook | hehe |
| 16:18.14 | liable | Ronin: probably a dig article about it ;) |
| 16:18.36 | asBook | just a clean install on a new computer, and i want it to be fast |
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| 16:18.38 | asBook | thats why |
| 16:18.58 | Ronin | asBook: it will be if you have decent hardware |
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| 16:19.13 | asBook | Ronin, yes for about 90% the rest are drivers/kernel issues |
| 16:19.49 | Decepticon | what do i use for making users and giving her permissions so she cant see my stuff and other peoples stuff in gnome? |
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| 16:20.38 | Samurai_dio | why dont laptop vendors make custon kernels for their products |
| 16:20.40 | Samurai_dio | !laptop |
| 16:20.40 | dpkg | laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 16:21.11 | fundesktop | does the debian installation CD include ndiswrapper? |
| 16:21.21 | Ronin | Decepticon: not sure thats possible |
| 16:21.27 | liable | !cd contents |
| 16:21.27 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 16:21.35 | Decepticon | i have to use some cli then? |
| 16:21.44 | Decepticon | it is mkuser? chown? chmod? |
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| 16:22.17 | fundesktop | ty |
| 16:22.20 | liable | make your shit -o or 770 |
| 16:22.21 | Ronin | Decepticon: why? if fact ill bet it causes other problems |
| 16:22.34 | karmatronic | Decepticon: adduser and chmod have really intersting man pasges |
| 16:22.38 | Decepticon | what do you mean Ronin |
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| 16:22.51 | Decepticon | karmatronic yes and most of it is beyond my puny brain |
| 16:23.03 | Decepticon | liable is that meant for me? |
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| 16:23.30 | liable | Decepticon: yes |
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| 16:23.57 | Decepticon | what command is the -o switch for |
| 16:24.43 | liable | chmod, both of those answers are for chmod |
| 16:24.58 | Decepticon | im looking at man chmod, i dont see a -o switch |
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| 16:26.08 | liable | third paragraph in description |
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| 16:26.48 | Decepticon | i see |
| 16:27.01 | Decepticon | i want to see who consists of u, g, and o. how do i do that |
| 16:27.13 | liable | what do you mean? |
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| 16:27.24 | Decepticon | who is in users, in group, and others |
| 16:27.29 | Decepticon | what users |
| 16:27.33 | Decepticon | are in those categories |
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| 16:27.51 | Decepticon | not sure if this is correct? |
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| 16:27.52 | liable | user is the owner, group is anyone in that group, others is everyne else |
| 16:28.08 | Decepticon | ah, ok, how do i see who is in my group? |
| 16:28.14 | Decepticon | and what my group "name" is |
| 16:28.14 | Ronin | Decepticon: /etc/group |
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| 16:28.55 | Decepticon | thanks |
| 16:28.59 | fundesktop | so if I want to install debian unstable... should I install debian testing, and then dist-upgrade to unstable? |
| 16:29.01 | XTF | Hi. What's the difference between ! and * in /etc/shadow? |
| 16:29.12 | XTF | fundesktop: Sounds like a good way to do it. |
| 16:29.25 | Ronin | fundesktop: yes but you're pretty much on your own running sid |
| 16:29.27 | fundesktop | XTF: but maybe it's "wrong" |
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| 16:29.40 | fundesktop | or should I stick to testing completely? |
| 16:29.50 | fundesktop | I bet this bot has some info on testing vs. unstable |
| 16:29.56 | Ronin | fundesktop: can you fix it by yourself when it breaks? |
| 16:29.58 | pumpkin0 | !sid |
| 16:29.58 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 16:30.12 | fundesktop | Ronin: most likely... always worked for me |
| 16:30.21 | pumpkin0 | fundesktop: do you still want to install it ? |
| 16:30.46 | fundesktop | pumpkin0: I'm using it on _this_ PC... so, yes |
| 16:31.07 | pumpkin0 | fundesktop: OK, install testing, then dist-upgrade. |
| 16:31.09 | OlaX | fundesktop: I think the best way is to install testing and have both testing and unstable sources in your sources.list, with APT::Default-Release set to "testing". That way you can selectively use the more bleeding-edge packages. |
| 16:31.25 | Ronin | mixing and matching is a fast way to break things OlaX |
| 16:31.30 | karmatronic | pumpkin0: does unstable have gnome2.20 at least ...? |
| 16:31.37 | fundesktop | OlaX: good point |
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| 16:31.48 | OlaX | Ronin: I am well aware of that, but I like to tinker. |
| 16:31.53 | astra-x- | has anyone been able to get opera working in sid/lenny using their supplied deb package? |
| 16:31.59 | pumpkin0 | karmatronic: no idea. I need a PC that works, not one that is bleeding (edge) |
| 16:32.10 | Ronin | OlaX: but suggesting it to someone isn't a good idea |
| 16:32.13 | h3sp4wn | !quick lenny/sid mix |
| 16:32.13 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages. |
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| 16:32.58 | risc | Hello could someone help my with an stupid question? i want to read a file with: while read line do .... done < $file |
| 16:33.05 | Ronin | well ill be darned :) |
| 16:33.32 | Ronin | still not sure its a good idea to be suggesting it though |
| 16:33.52 | risc | could i write while read line1 do done < $file or do i have to name it "line" |
| 16:34.01 | risc | :S |
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| 16:34.22 | monokrome | hello |
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| 16:34.48 | monokrome | Does anyone in here know a good free webbased mail client for apt? I have postfix set up locally, and would like to let people access their mail over my web serve.r |
| 16:34.57 | Ronin | monokrome: squirrelmail |
| 16:35.01 | aleksanteri | risc, ##bash |
| 16:35.10 | monokrome | Thank you, Ronin :) |
| 16:35.14 | wols | monokrome: squirrelmail, roundcube |
| 16:35.15 | aleksanteri | #bash * |
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| 16:37.48 | netgear | can anyone advise me on a good email client for debian? |
| 16:38.15 | netgear | evolution is preinstalled but dont know if i want that |
| 16:38.21 | Malf | netgear: Mutt is great if you're into the text-only type stuff |
| 16:38.33 | Malf | evolution was decent back when I used it |
| 16:38.37 | Malf | it's been a while though |
| 16:38.45 | netgear | id like that, but my gf also needs to use this computer |
| 16:38.57 | Ronin | netgear: evolution, sylpheed, sylpheed-claws, whatever thunderbird is called now if you want an x one |
| 16:39.19 | netgear | thanks |
| 16:39.25 | abrotman | netgear: evolution is fine .. iceweasel, balsa, kmail |
| 16:39.28 | netgear | thunderbird it shall be |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | erm .. icedove |
| 16:39.38 | abrotman | netgear: thunderbird is icedove in etch |
| 16:39.51 | netgear | which is most lightweight with still many features |
| 16:40.04 | abrotman | probably balsa or sylpheed |
| 16:40.07 | OlaX | I'll give another vote for mutt |
| 16:40.11 | Ronin | sylpheed perhaps |
| 16:40.27 | astra-x- | has anyone noticed that much of a performance upgrade for kernel 2.6.23 from .22? |
| 16:40.37 | abrotman | http://balsa.gnome.org/screenshots.html |
| 16:40.42 | netgear | ok, another thing, which supports imoport from .dbx |
| 16:40.54 | netgear | i wiped my windows just now, so now im stuck in debian |
| 16:41.04 | Ronin | hardly say stuck with debian |
| 16:41.10 | abrotman | wtf is .dbx ?> |
| 16:41.16 | netgear | not stuck as in bad, im not install win again |
| 16:41.27 | netgear | outlook mail database |
| 16:41.33 | abrotman | you mean .pst ? |
| 16:41.37 | netgear | like inbox.dbx |
| 16:41.45 | abrotman | that's outlook express i think |
| 16:41.47 | netgear | that is one container as well |
| 16:41.54 | netgear | yes express i mean |
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| 16:42.39 | Ronin | netgear: google young man google, i think its possible but aren't positive |
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| 16:43.19 | netgear | allready busy |
| 16:44.04 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
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| 16:45.11 | Samurai_dio | !ping |
| 16:45.11 | dpkg | pong |
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| 16:45.26 | SamuraiDio | probe an incorrect module will not have problems right? just that module will not be used, right? |
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| 16:46.03 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: not if the module is wellbehaved and does not interact with other modules. |
| 16:46.23 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, if i load two sata controllers? |
| 16:46.48 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: no problems if they do not both support the same controller .. |
| 16:46.58 | OlaX | netgear: kmailcvt can convert outlook express stuff. (I've never used it, I found it with apt-cache) |
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| 16:47.13 | netgear | OlaX, thanks |
| 16:47.20 | abrotman | OlaX: convert to .. what? |
| 16:47.39 | SamuraiDio | pumpkin0, and if? |
| 16:47.55 | abrotman | OlaX: it converts to the kmail format .. might not be any better |
| 16:47.56 | Malf | to the mbox format |
| 16:47.59 | Malf | i think |
| 16:48.04 | Malf | oh |
| 16:48.18 | Malf | documentation: 1, my memory; 0 |
| 16:48.20 | abrotman | i don't use kmail .. so i can't comment on the format |
| 16:48.26 | Malf | I don't either |
| 16:48.33 | abrotman | really .. who would?! |
| 16:48.36 | Malf | was just remembering something i read |
| 16:48.37 | Malf | heh |
| 16:48.57 | pumpkin0 | SamuraiDio: the first one loaded should win and the other one should become inactive. But only if they are wellbehaved. If the second one tries to get the controller anyway ... well strange things may happen. |
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| 16:49.59 | OlaX | heh |
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| 16:50.55 | notfundesktop | why is this directory empty?: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 16:51.43 | notfundesktop | does that mean no installation CDs for testing on amd64? |
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| 16:52.34 | wols | notfundesktop: you arenot supposed to use testing isntall cds. use etch CDs |
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| 16:53.20 | notfundesktop | wols: ok... this page still provides links for testing: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 16:53.24 | abrotman | or use the netinst |
| 16:53.43 | SamuraiDio | wols, there's no meaning of install etch just to upgrade to lenny after.. |
| 16:53.53 | notfundesktop | abrotman: does netinst come with ndiswrapper? |
| 16:54.03 | wols | debian.org provides sid and experimental packages too. doesn't mean you should download it |
| 16:54.07 | wols | SamuraiDio: there is |
| 16:54.16 | SamuraiDio | notfundesktop, not even the full install disc one comes |
| 16:54.26 | notfundesktop | SamuraiDio: the jigdo ones do |
| 16:55.30 | SamuraiDio | wols, well, after the needs of a older kernel to boot and compile new one, i have to agre |
| 16:55.34 | SamuraiDio | agree* |
| 16:56.13 | notfundesktop | it looks like amd64 is poorly supported among Debian installer etc. maintainers |
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| 16:56.51 | wols | notfundesktop: you are mistaken |
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| 16:57.09 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.12 | Ace2016 | anyone know the app at the top of the screen: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MurrinaDuoClean?content=67960 |
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| 16:57.53 | SamuraiDio | notfundesktop, i have installed amd64 and just had some packages that i coudn't find, none of'em are debian official packages |
| 16:58.17 | notfundesktop | SamuraiDio: what? do you mean unresolved dependencies? |
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| 16:58.48 | gurrrrrrrrr | I'm getting garbled output when I compile in emacs, something like this |
| 16:58.48 | gurrrrrrrrr | helloqt.cpp: In function �\200\230int main()�\200\231: |
| 16:58.48 | gurrrrrrrrr | What can I do? |
| 16:58.52 | SamuraiDio | notfundesktop, no, i mean media codecs and opera and skype |
| 16:58.58 | wols | Ace2016: just read |
| 16:59.12 | SamuraiDio | notfundesktop, they're the only things i fell faulting |
| 16:59.16 | gurrrrrrrrr | using debian etch |
| 16:59.32 | klikklak | what can I do for this? FATAL: Module lirc_serial not found. I've done depmod -a, and moved the modules around |
| 16:59.35 | notfundesktop | SamuraiDio: so you mean they were available under 386 32 bit, but not amd64? |
| 16:59.35 | Ace2016 | wols: what? |
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| 16:59.52 | SamuraiDio | notfundesktop, yes |
| 16:59.58 | notfundesktop | SamuraiDio: d'oh |
| 17:00.11 | Ace2016 | no go to sid |
| 17:00.23 | itchi | Hoi guys! |
| 17:00.29 | simonrvn | gurrrrrrrrr: differing encodings? |
| 17:00.32 | klikklak | hrm, I was discouraged from doing that earlier on this channel |
| 17:00.38 | itchi | That's again some time ago heh :-p |
| 17:00.51 | wols | klikklak: and it was right. Ace2016 is just an idiot |
| 17:00.56 | itchi | But what may i say, everythings runs fine here :-p |
| 17:01.05 | klikklak | right |
| 17:01.11 | Ace2016 | -_- |
| 17:01.15 | gurrrrrrrrr | simonrvn:using UTF-8 on terminal, dont know about emacs :( |
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| 17:01.45 | SamuraiDio | Ace2016, seens just a panel with some plugins |
| 17:01.48 | klikklak | well, I suppose lirc isn't crucial |
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| 17:02.12 | gurrrrrrrrr | simonrvn:how could I change encoding in emacs? |
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| 17:02.21 | Ace2016 | ok so where do i get these plugins? |
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| 17:02.49 | simonrvn | gurrrrrrrrr: i usually do that in .emacs or customize |
| 17:02.50 | SamuraiDio | gurrrrrrrrr, X11 or text based? |
| 17:03.06 | gurrrrrrrrr | SamuraiDio:both |
| 17:03.08 | SamuraiDio | Ace2016, good question |
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| 17:03.22 | simonrvn | sec |
| 17:03.31 | Ace2016 | none of the defaults in gnome-panel seem to do that |
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| 17:04.09 | simonrvn | (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)\n(setq-default default-input-method "utf-8") |
| 17:04.20 | SamuraiDio | gurrrrrrrrr, see with simonrvn, i havent used eMacs (couldn't find any advantage) |
| 17:04.22 | tumik | Hi! What is the easiest way to restrict one computer or user to connect only some domains, with wildcards? Example: making a computer that can connect only to *.google.cpm and *.wikipedia.org |
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| 17:04.36 | jelly | simonrvn: stop swearing! |
| 17:04.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:04.45 | Ace2016 | edit the hosts file |
| 17:04.46 | wols | tumik: mandatory transparent proxy |
| 17:04.50 | jelly | !start an editor war |
| 17:04.50 | dpkg | nvi is known to cause terminal cluelessness |
| 17:05.12 | tumik | Does the hosts file support wildcards? |
| 17:05.13 | jelly | dpkg: unlikely |
| 17:05.16 | simonrvn | terminal terminal or terminal ending? |
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| 17:05.40 | wols | Ace2016: well, does it? |
| 17:05.49 | Ace2016 | does what? |
| 17:05.57 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.20 | Ace2016 | no idea |
| 17:06.28 | wols | Ace2016: then why do you suggest it? |
| 17:06.37 | Ace2016 | because he wanted an idea |
| 17:06.47 | wols | that is no "idea" that is bullshit talk |
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| 17:08.23 | simonrvn | if you gonna guess at something, at least do it as an *educated* guess |
| 17:08.37 | simonrvn | otherwise best to be quiet and learn |
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| 17:09.07 | hoxu | yeah, don't do it like I do, do it like simonrvn doesn't |
| 17:09.07 | simonrvn | (that'll earn you some cookies :P) |
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| 17:09.14 | hoxu | exactly. |
| 17:09.18 | simonrvn | hoxu: hehe |
| 17:09.28 | Jyzygzel- | sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa |
| 17:09.32 | Jyzygzel- | that does not work |
| 17:09.40 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 17:09.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:09.48 | Jyzygzel- | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: alsa is not installed |
| 17:09.59 | stew | that one isn't vague, its clear why it wouldn't work |
| 17:10.05 | stew | Jyzygzel-: run alsaconf |
| 17:10.13 | simonrvn | non-existence ;) |
| 17:10.16 | stew | right |
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| 17:10.37 | Jyzygzel- | i don't have such thing |
| 17:10.51 | stew | Jyzygzel-: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 17:10.56 | Jyzygzel- | /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 17:11.09 | Jyzygzel- | !alsa one-liner |
| 17:11.09 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
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| 17:11.19 | Jyzygzel- | done that |
| 17:11.22 | Jyzygzel- | newest versions |
| 17:11.24 | gurrrrrrrrr | simonvrn:still the same |
| 17:11.27 | stew | Jyzygzel-: then run alsaconf |
| 17:11.36 | Jyzygzel- | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 17:11.40 | stew | Jyzygzel-: as root |
| 17:11.51 | astra-x- | is there an opensource flashplayer that is supported in debian sparc64? |
| 17:11.56 | simonrvn | gurrrrrrrrr: did you restart emacs or byte compile and load the .emacs? |
| 17:12.03 | Jyzygzel- | sudo: alsaconf: command not found |
| 17:12.08 | wols | astra-x-: maybe gnash? |
| 17:12.13 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 17:12.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 17:12.26 | gurrrrrrrrr | restarted emacs |
| 17:12.27 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what does "apt-cache policy alsa-utils" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 17:12.31 | cahoot | Jyzygzel-: what is the real problem? |
| 17:12.32 | astra-x- | wols: thanks :) |
| 17:12.37 | gurrrrrrrrr | after adding the line to .emacs |
| 17:12.57 | wols | Jyzygzel-: you are running ubuntu, right? |
| 17:13.19 | simonrvn | gurrrrrrrrr: then it might not be that... outta ideas, try sticking that in google |
| 17:13.35 | simonrvn | or a description |
| 17:13.47 | Jyzygzel- | wols omg how did you know :( |
| 17:13.53 | Jyzygzel- | i tried to hide it |
| 17:14.07 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:14.25 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 17:14.41 | wols | no matter how one tries to hide it, stupidity always shines through in the end... |
| 17:14.49 | Ace2016 | :D |
| 17:15.00 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:15.14 | stew | wols: please refrain from calling people stupid |
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| 17:15.39 | wols | it's vrey stupid trying to hide you run ubuntu in #debian forever |
| 17:15.53 | \amethyst | wols called an action stupid, not a person |
| 17:16.04 | stew | whatever, please keep it constructive |
| 17:16.07 | \amethyst | or at least that's how I took it |
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| 17:17.13 | SamuraiDio | Jyzygzel-, better say you use ubuntu, or you'll get the wrong help |
| 17:17.15 | alexweb | does anybody tried to install vhcs2 panel? |
| 17:17.31 | stew | alexweb: just ask your real question |
| 17:18.02 | alexweb | I'm trying to install it, but getting blank page when accessingggggg myhost/vhcs2/ |
| 17:18.38 | alexweb | but myhost/vhcs2/gui/login.php - returns VHCS's 404 page |
| 17:18.49 | alexweb | no errors in logs |
| 17:19.08 | wols | alexweb: where is login.php on your disk? |
| 17:19.52 | stew | alexweb: if you get a blank page, i'd guess you have a problem connecting to the database, but you'd probably be better off asking in #vhcs |
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| 17:20.41 | alexweb | stew: I'm on #vhcs :) |
| 17:21.09 | Av | hey guys, I was in here y'day and I think I asked the wrong question :) I'm looking for a version of glibc newer tan 2.3.6 (which shipped with Etch). I'm not really a debian guy (solaris/bsd background), so I'm having trouble finding if a debian package exist for newer versions? |
| 17:22.08 | simonrvn | got a big snowstorm headed our way |
| 17:22.17 | wols | Av: are you running etch? |
| 17:22.33 | Av | wols: yup |
| 17:22.34 | alexweb | stew: I've just checked my db and I can tell I see vhcs database created |
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| 17:22.49 | wols | Av: then there isn't. testing and unstable have newer ones |
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| 17:22.57 | wols | Av: why do you need a newer libc6 exactly? |
| 17:23.14 | wols | Av: doesn't mean it can connect to the DB |
| 17:23.18 | Av | wols: i have an application provided by a third party, that was compiled again v2.4 |
| 17:23.19 | wols | alexweb: ^^ |
| 17:23.40 | wols | Av: as I said: no newer libc6 in etch |
| 17:24.35 | Av | would the version from testing work on etch? or are the major differences between etch and testing that would cause it to break everything? (again, sorry, I don't know much about packages on Linux yet :) |
| 17:24.41 | simonrvn | run it in a lenny chroot |
| 17:24.56 | Av | oh that's a good idea |
| 17:24.57 | simonrvn | Av: yes there are, glibc being the major factor |
| 17:25.12 | stew | alexweb: do other php applications work? |
| 17:25.17 | Av | ok i'll download lenny, put it in a chroot and do that :) |
| 17:25.29 | \amethyst | Av: do you know debootstrap? |
| 17:25.38 | Av | \amethyst: yup! |
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| 17:25.42 | simonrvn | Av: debootsrap lenny http://somesource/ somedirondrive/ |
| 17:25.44 | \amethyst | Av: good :) |
| 17:25.51 | Av | rockin |
| 17:25.55 | Av | thanks guys :) |
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| 17:26.06 | \amethyst | Av: after setting up the chroot... |
| 17:26.08 | simonrvn | (mind the typos) |
| 17:26.27 | \amethyst | Av: you might be able to get by without chrooting to it, by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the chroot's /lib and /usr/lib |
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| 17:26.30 | \amethyst | Av: maybe |
| 17:26.58 | Av | ok I'll give it a shot :) |
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| 17:28.49 | alexweb | stew: yup |
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| 17:30.46 | stew | alexweb: when i had that problem it was something adodb, but i had to fix some paths to adodb becuase i was using debian's adodb instead of vhcs's adodb |
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| 17:31.15 | stew | alexweb: i figured this out by digging into the source, and starting removing large chunks until i figured out exactly where it was quititing |
| 17:31.28 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 17:31.33 | stew | aloha |
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| 17:31.55 | streuner_ | !hakadance Nyle |
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| 17:35.29 | alexweb | stew: thanks. i'll give it a try |
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| 17:35.46 | alexweb | stew: Fatal error: Call to undefined function mcrypt_module_open() in /var/www/vhcs2/gui/include/vhcs-config.php on line 10 |
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| 17:36.17 | alexweb | stew: I've found error_reporting(0) and changed it to E_ALL ^) |
| 17:36.20 | alexweb | :) |
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| 17:39.02 | stew | alexweb: aptitude install php5-mcrypt |
| 17:39.06 | Nyle | ?man this roach is kicking my ass |
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| 17:39.17 | Nyle | there is only one, dunno where he came from |
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| 17:39.29 | Nyle | and I been running after it all morning |
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| 17:40.00 | fnord | hi all |
| 17:40.04 | piroko | fnord |
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| 17:41.18 | Nyle | piroko: |
| 17:41.20 | Nyle | fnord: |
| 17:41.21 | Nyle | hi |
| 17:41.30 | piroko | Ahoy |
| 17:41.35 | Nyle | matey |
| 17:41.43 | fnord | not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I've just installed postgresql through apt-get on a new debian sarge install but it doesn't seem to want to start. "/etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 start" doesn't produce any output at all and postgres isn't in the "ps -ef" list |
| 17:41.44 | Ronin | Nyle: roaches are like mice and rabbits, theres never only 1 |
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| 17:41.50 | piroko | I'm assuming "fnord" is from the Illuminatus? |
| 17:41.59 | Nyle | Ronin: well now i gotta go get RAID |
| 17:42.01 | fnord | piroko: yeah :p |
| 17:42.15 | cahoot | Ronin: as opposed to humans+ |
| 17:42.18 | Nyle | 4 months now, and this is the first roach I saw |
| 17:42.23 | piroko | Nyle: You can't fight roaches with redundant arrays man |
| 17:42.31 | Nyle | this is a clean good apt |
| 17:42.35 | Nyle | piroko: hehe |
| 17:42.50 | Nyle | !raid |
| 17:42.50 | dpkg | hmm... raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 17:42.51 | Ronin | clean doesnt mean you wont get roaches |
| 17:43.13 | fnord | Anyone got any idea what could be wrong or where to start looking for the problem? nothing in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog |
| 17:43.13 | Nyle | dpkg raid is also a type of bug spray |
| 17:43.13 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 17:43.35 | piroko | fnord: Have you configured it at all? |
| 17:44.07 | Nyle | man this netinst is taking all day |
| 17:44.17 | Nyle | i have 40kb/s down internet speed |
| 17:44.19 | fnord | piroko: no, I was assuming it would run in it's default state then once that's working I configure it? |
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| 17:44.38 | cahoot | Nyle: that's not 'speed' |
| 17:45.02 | Nyle | true |
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| 17:45.23 | Nyle | I have free ubuntu cds |
| 17:45.30 | Nyle | maybe I should just install ubuntu |
| 17:45.33 | fnord | piroko: How would I go about configuring it, not really sure where to start (I usually get it running then change the things I need to) |
| 17:45.37 | Ronin | go for it Nyle |
| 17:45.40 | Nyle | hehe |
| 17:45.45 | piroko | fnord: Have you tried this?: http://glasnost.beeznest.org/articles/218 |
| 17:45.58 | Nyle | actually |
| 17:46.07 | Nyle | is it possible to serve up a running debian system through pxe/netboot |
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| 17:46.31 | Nyle | i know you can make it run the netinst initrd/kernel thorugh pxe/tftp, but can you also serve up the entire system? |
| 17:46.33 | fnord | I saw that article, it seems to assume that postgres just starts working though |
| 17:46.48 | fnord | I can't do their second step (running psql) becaquse the postgres server isn't running |
| 17:48.04 | piroko | fnord: Alright. I'm installing it now to see if I can help more directly |
| 17:48.04 | Nyle | !thinclient |
| 17:48.04 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:48.04 | Nyle | yes its possible, but how... |
| 17:48.17 | piroko | Nyle: Yeah, but it is a pain in the arse lemme tell you |
| 17:48.19 | wols | Nyle: ltsp |
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| 17:48.30 | simonrvn | ltsp |
| 17:48.43 | wols | and there is a nfsroot howto as well iirc |
| 17:48.48 | Claudio32m | is it better to get a business static ip with unlimited bandwidth at home or rent a root server with 24/7 datacenter ? |
| 17:48.56 | piroko | Anyone here have any luck getting naim to connect to TOC2? |
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| 17:49.03 | simonrvn | !better |
| 17:49.03 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 17:49.07 | Ronin | and Nyle i dont think the dpkg needs to know raid is also a bug spray heh |
| 17:49.08 | Nyle | !ltsp |
| 17:49.08 | dpkg | i heard ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 17:49.09 | fnord | piroko: thanks, much appreciated |
| 17:49.15 | piroko | fnord: No problem |
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| 17:50.11 | Nyle | !raid |
| 17:50.12 | dpkg | raid is, like, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray |
| 17:50.18 | Nyle | Ronin: yes it does :D |
| 17:50.30 | Nyle | thanks guys |
| 17:50.45 | piroko | fnord: Is there a reason you are using 7.4 over the newer 8.3? |
| 17:51.14 | Av | thanks for your help everyone :) unfortuantely it looks like running lenny in a chroot won't work |
| 17:51.28 | fnord | piroko: I thought that was the latest version available in sarge |
| 17:52.02 | piroko | fnord: Ah I forgot about the sarge part. Hmm... I'm on sid/lenny but I managed to install 7.4 anyway. I'll see what I can do |
| 17:52.16 | simonrvn | why are you running sarge? |
| 17:52.30 | fnord | piroko: but I was wrong (just checked it). Not sure why I was using 7.1, will try 8.1 |
| 17:52.42 | fnord | simonrvn: It's what I've been given to work with :p |
| 17:52.57 | Nyle | stew: oh yeh, and happy slushy rain day |
| 17:53.02 | fnord | piroko: Thanks for the help, will go and try it with 8.1 and hopefully that'll sort it |
| 17:53.12 | piroko | fnord: Alright. Feel free to ask if stuff goes funky |
| 17:53.30 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 17:53.45 | piroko | simonrvn: ? |
| 17:54.00 | simonrvn | piroko: ! |
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| 17:54.06 | piroko | simonrvn: $ |
| 17:54.09 | Nyle | so if the entire system in ltsp boots off the server, but the client has say hdd's and other stuff, how can those be mounted? I mean if the system runs remotely, then you can't mount local drives on a client? |
| 17:54.17 | Nyle | I am not sure I fully understand how ltsp works |
| 17:54.29 | Nyle | or remote desktopping |
| 17:54.30 | Nyle | whatever |
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| 17:55.03 | wols | Nyle: of course you can mount local drives if there are oany |
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| 17:55.10 | wols | what would prevent you? |
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| 17:55.22 | Nyle | wols: mount the where? |
| 17:55.30 | wols | in the filesystem? |
| 17:55.35 | Nyle | well yes but |
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| 17:55.43 | wols | just cause your / is a NFS export doesn't mean you can't mount anything |
| 17:55.58 | Nyle | oh |
| 17:56.01 | fnord | piroko: thanks |
| 17:56.02 | Nyle | I see now |
| 17:56.03 | wols | you still have /mnt/stuff |
| 17:56.06 | piroko | fnord: np |
| 17:56.09 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 17:56.12 | Nyle | wols++ |
| 17:56.18 | Nyle | that clears it up |
| 17:56.21 | artista_frustrad | Does anyone know how to make openoffice work over nfs ?? |
| 17:56.23 | shamrock | Could someone please advise me on how to lauch a certain application when I plug my mobile phone in and a connection is made on /dev/ttyACM0? |
| 17:56.40 | wols | shamrock: ivman perhaps |
| 17:56.47 | wols | !ivman |
| 17:56.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, ivman is an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when volumes are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net. |
| 17:57.00 | shamrock | thank you. |
| 17:57.14 | wols | probably only works if the phone also acts as mass storage |
| 17:57.24 | shamrock | it does |
| 17:57.41 | Nyle | hey this guy i know, he is a math teacher, learned brazillian jiu-jitsu, and then he tapped out ken shamrock in a bout |
| 17:58.15 | Nyle | that was pretty cool |
| 17:58.15 | stew | ivman doesn't care if it is mass storage, it just cares that it receives some kind of notification from hal |
| 17:58.15 | stew | Nyle: we're supposed to get 2-5 inches today |
| 17:58.15 | Nyle | stew: I think i'll call my boss and ask if i can go to work tonight, today is my day off |
| 17:58.26 | wols | stew: so why does it say "volume"? |
| 17:58.36 | Ronin | ask to go into work? are you mad Nyle ? |
| 17:58.38 | shamrock | does ivman come with a gui tool? |
| 17:58.45 | stew | shamrock: no |
| 17:58.50 | stew | wols: ask eikke |
| 17:58.51 | Nyle | Ronin: dude I make damn good money in bad weather |
| 17:58.53 | patterson | i dream of comute than consists of walking bare foot down the beach |
| 17:59.09 | stew | err ikke |
| 17:59.09 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.19 | Nyle | oh my god ltsp is nice |
| 17:59.22 | shamrock | stew: thanks. I will look up at sourceforge. |
| 18:00.02 | stew | shamrock: its in debian |
| 18:00.21 | Nyle | http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN53 |
| 18:00.57 | stew | oh |
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| 18:01.11 | stew | !ivman =~ s#volumes#devices# |
| 18:01.11 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 18:01.39 | fnord | Ok, looks like my problem is that the locale is not set properly, it's complaining that LANGUAGE and LC_ALL are not set. Anyone know where I can go to set them? |
| 18:01.57 | shamrock | crikey. information for ivman is non existent. |
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| 18:02.19 | piroko | fnord: Ah yes. I had that problem too. I had to install locales-all |
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| 18:02.26 | stew | shamrock: i started to put some here: http://wiki.debian.org/IVMan |
| 18:02.28 | wide_awake | Hello |
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| 18:02.38 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:02.38 | fnord | piroko: thanks, will try that now |
| 18:02.47 | Nyle | step 13 seems a bit elusive there |
| 18:02.52 | sbk | Is there a command that will let me find network bytes sent/received statistics _per incoming/outgoing host_? That is -- I want to measure over a period of time, the number of bytes sent/received to each host that my machine talked with. |
| 18:02.52 | piroko | fnord: That was on a much more recent debian though... I hope it works for you |
| 18:02.54 | stew | i know i need to do more ivman documentation though. it never seems to make it near the top of my todo list |
| 18:03.01 | wide_awake | if /etc/debian_version says "lenny/sid", how do I find out which packages are from Sid? |
| 18:03.27 | shamrock | stew: I use gnome. SHould I not just use gnomevolumemanager? |
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| 18:03.32 | fnord | piroko: turns out I'm on etch, not sarge (I've been assuming way to many things, gotta stop doing that) |
| 18:03.45 | piroko | fnord: Haha. Good. That should work then |
| 18:03.45 | stew | wide_awake: you can't really. though perhaps apt-show-versions would give you what you want |
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| 18:03.57 | wide_awake | stew: thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 18:04.10 | Nyle | wols: I am guessing that it assumes you've already setup an nfs export on the server... but what exactly is a 'pivot_root' ? |
| 18:04.13 | fnord | piroko: brilliant, all working now. thanks for all the help! |
| 18:04.14 | stew | shamrock: i don't really know much about gnome-volume-manager, I don't know if it gives you the ability to run a script when a volume appears or not |
| 18:04.19 | piroko | fnord: You are welcome :) |
| 18:04.28 | Nyle | pivot_root |
| 18:04.31 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 18:04.45 | wols | Nyle: it's for the initrd |
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| 18:05.08 | piroko | Oh god. Emacs has its own IRC client too? Gross |
| 18:05.22 | artista_frustrad | Nyle, pivot root is when, during the boot process, the root is changed from the initramfs to the / partition |
| 18:05.23 | wols | Nyle: it's for changing the / filesystem while running |
| 18:05.27 | procdaemon | emacs it its own OS almost |
| 18:05.27 | karmatronic | back |
| 18:05.32 | Nyle | artista_frustrad: ahhh |
| 18:05.34 | sbk | echo /bin/emacs >> /etc/shells |
| 18:05.36 | artista_frustrad | in ltsp it can be caused by network problems |
| 18:05.38 | piroko | Freakin. Gross |
| 18:05.50 | Nyle | artista_frustrad: that explains it |
| 18:06.01 | Nyle | wols: artista_frustrad thanks |
| 18:06.11 | artista_frustrad | Nyle, i had a problem with my old hub.. |
| 18:06.12 | Nyle | will be back wit more questions.../me goes back to reading and toking |
| 18:06.17 | Nyle | artista_frustrad: oh...? |
| 18:06.19 | notfundesktop | where on the debian installation cd image are all the modules stored, which are possibly loaded from cdrom during install? |
| 18:06.29 | karmatronic | artista_frustrad: what kind or frustated artist are you ? |
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| 18:07.16 | Nyle | I am an artist, and I'm also frustrated |
| 18:07.30 | artista_frustrad | karmatronic, the kind that studied art for almost 10 years and now works as a sysadmin |
| 18:07.43 | wide_awake | stew: looks like exactly what I was looking for. thanks! |
| 18:07.56 | Nyle | artista_frustrad: dude I been playing guitar 22 years of my life and I deliver pizza part time while I try to graduate |
| 18:08.07 | Nyle | I got you beat by 12 years |
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| 18:09.18 | abrotman | artista_frustrad: they're related! |
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| 18:09.40 | karmatronic | Nyle: 22 years ? |
| 18:09.47 | Nyle | mhm |
| 18:09.51 | karmatronic | Nyle: 14 here |
| 18:09.59 | Nyle | karmatronic: #music |
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| 18:10.14 | abrotman | hah |
| 18:10.23 | artista_frustrad | does anyone here has had any problems with openoffice.org with homes mounted via nfs ?? |
| 18:10.31 | artista_frustrad | or am I the lucky one ?? |
| 18:10.32 | abrotman | artista_frustrad: what doesn't work? |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | i'm surprised it's just OO |
| 18:11.04 | Nyle | simonrvn: relax, go do it, if you wanna go do it, RELAX! go do it, if you wanna go through it |
| 18:11.09 | Nyle | relax. |
| 18:11.18 | piroko | If you wanna cuuuuum |
| 18:11.20 | piroko | O_o |
| 18:11.30 | Nyle | dude... no |
| 18:11.37 | Nyle | bad piroko |
| 18:11.42 | piroko | ): |
| 18:11.59 | shamrock | stew: thanks for the pointer. But from the information there I would have no idea how to match whatever property against it being my mobile phone. I guess I can just autoload multisync as a session regardless of whether the phone is plugged in. |
| 18:12.06 | Nyle | artista_frustrad: it shouldnl't cause a problem |
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| 18:12.15 | simonrvn | abrotman: probably nothing else so far that uses locking |
| 18:12.24 | Nyle | artista_frustrad: ~/ is only housing docs/settings per user |
| 18:12.27 | simonrvn | abrotman: that's been used there, that is |
| 18:12.54 | stew | shamrock: if you run "lshal --monitor" you can see the hal messages that get generated when your phone gets plugged in |
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| 18:13.17 | simonrvn | Nyle: i don't get POed really badly like i used to. heh |
| 18:13.18 | stew | shamrock: or after it is plugged in you can find your phone in "hal-device" or "lshal" or "hal-device-manager" and see what properties it publishes |
| 18:13.23 | plb | does anyone know if the Debian eclipse package maintainers are still active? |
| 18:13.31 | abrotman | simonrvn: losing your ops will do that! :) |
| 18:13.35 | Nyle | simonrvn: I just wanted an excuse to sing the song |
| 18:13.36 | Nyle | :D |
| 18:13.44 | abrotman | plb: did you try to email them? |
| 18:13.46 | ks | how do I know what type of network bandwidth i might have on the virtual host ? |
| 18:13.49 | simonrvn | abrotman: nah, nothing to do with that |
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| 18:14.14 | plb | abrotman: not yet, just checking if anyone on here had heard anything first |
| 18:14.24 | abrotman | plb: isn't the current version in sid now ? |
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| 18:14.40 | stew | plb: ask #debian-java on irc.debian.org |
| 18:14.42 | plb | abrotman: it is still 3.2 in sid |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | are they on 3.3 now / |
| 18:15.00 | plb | yep and 3.4 is in beta |
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| 18:15.39 | klikklak | I get this error a lot: "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libglade2-dev' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." should I just reinstall? |
| 18:16.03 | streuner_ | show us the whole error, please |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | that package perhaps |
| 18:16.10 | ricardo | I want to update my linux image but im worried that it will break my xserver and gdm . I read somewhere if I installed the nvidia drivers a certain way ( I used Automatix ) and I undate the kernal I will have problems with the display. Is this correct and how do I prevent this from happening? |
| 18:16.23 | stew | klikklak: sure and preferably reinstall the exact same version that it thinks is currently installed |
| 18:16.38 | piroko | ricardo: You could always just re-run the nvidia setup program I'm pretty sure |
| 18:16.40 | klikklak | streuner_: it's pages and pages long, this comes when either upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 18:16.45 | streuner_ | ricardo: no, not if you dont use etch/stable |
| 18:16.48 | shamrock | stew: funny enough I got back "storage_serial_Sony_Ericsson_Sony_Ericsson_K750_357849001340156_0 " from lshal --monitor but both gnome-device-manager and lshal do not show the sony device. |
| 18:16.52 | wols | ricardo: it is correct and you fix it by not using automatix |
| 18:16.59 | piroko | Haha |
| 18:16.59 | klikklak | stew: damn, it's a ton of files |
| 18:17.19 | stew | klikklak: what do you mean? is more than the libglade2-dev package broken? |
| 18:17.35 | klikklak | stew: yes, its many pages long with that error on it |
| 18:17.41 | klikklak | the system is stable though |
| 18:17.59 | piroko | Grr... Zenwalk could make my video-out on my thinkpad x31 work flawlessly. Debian just gives a blank signal :( |
| 18:18.04 | klikklak | oh and I was talking fo reinstalling the whole system, I'd rather not though |
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| 18:18.19 | stew | klikklak: that means that a ton of files went missing from /var/lib/dpkg/info did you perhaps delete a bunch of files from there? |
| 18:18.40 | stew | klikklak: what does "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info | wc -l" return? |
| 18:18.43 | juano_1 | !bot |
| 18:18.43 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:18.43 | klikklak | stew: not recently no. I had problems with it earlier |
| 18:18.50 | stew | klikklak: what kind of problems? |
| 18:19.10 | piroko | Anyone have video-out working on a radeon card? |
| 18:19.17 | klikklak | stew: 1306 |
| 18:19.20 | plb | piroko: I do |
| 18:19.27 | piroko | plb: Did you have to do anything special? |
| 18:19.52 | stew | klikklak: and what does "dpkg -l | wc -l" return? |
| 18:19.57 | ricardo | streuner_, im using etch stable |
| 18:19.59 | Av | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/part |
| 18:20.02 | Av | oops |
| 18:20.03 | plb | piroko: I used the FOSS drivers on a 9600pro and had to hack at the xrandr until it worked right :-P |
| 18:20.06 | klikklak | stew: hmm, if I only had documentation about it, it was a corrupt entry in /var/lib/dpkg/status I think |
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| 18:20.19 | stew | klikklak: that's different |
| 18:20.27 | klikklak | 3084 |
| 18:20.30 | klikklak | damn, thats bad |
| 18:20.47 | piroko | plb: Hmm... I'm on a 7000 (obviously older). I'm not sure what to do with this card. It just bugs me because it did work in Zenwalk... |
| 18:21.05 | notfundesktop | anyone knows how to get GSA-H55N to work with Debian? |
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| 18:21.29 | plb | piroko: can you pastebin you Xorg.log.0 |
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| 18:21.36 | piroko | plb: Surething |
| 18:21.37 | abrotman | Xorg.0.log |
| 18:21.50 | mike1o | is it possible to install debian to an usb stick with qemu? |
| 18:22.00 | stew | klikklak: so according to that, you have about 3000 packages installed. every package should have at least 2 files in /var/lib/dpkg/info most have more. this means that you are missing a ton of files |
| 18:22.04 | plb | abrotman: eh... close enough :-P |
| 18:22.07 | mike1o | I can't get my stick to be recognized |
| 18:22.41 | klikklak | stew: this is a recent install (I switched to raid), weird that there's an error, my old set up ran happily for years |
| 18:22.51 | Ullalla | do you know any provider that offer debian virtual server? thanks |
| 18:23.03 | klikklak | stew: but, there's no easy way to fix it then? .. I'll go grab a usb hd tomorrow so I'll be able to make backups |
| 18:23.04 | tminos | Ullalla: slicehost.com |
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| 18:23.26 | Ullalla | tminos, tnx |
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| 18:23.56 | stew | klikklak: you could try reinstalling all the packages. "aptitude reinstall '~i'" should do it. do you REALLY have 3000 pacakges installed? |
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| 18:24.23 | klikklak | stew, yes, it's a ton load from years past (been using the same package list and just adding new stuff) |
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| 18:24.28 | karsten | Is there any way to read a Mac OS X "pages" document w/in Linux? It's something in XML. |
| 18:24.40 | klikklak | but I'll try reinstalling with aptitude |
| 18:24.43 | piroko | plb: http://pastebin.org/11475 |
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| 18:26.04 | piroko | plb: I'll brb. I gotta put this into a dtach session so I can mess with X |
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| 18:26.48 | piroko | plb: Alright. Thank you for taking the time to help me, by the way |
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| 18:27.31 | stew | klikklak: i'd really want to know how the files went missing in the first place. |
| 18:27.35 | stew | klikklak: what filessystem is /var on? |
| 18:27.57 | klikklak | stew: ext3 |
| 18:27.59 | ricardo | wols ok so if i update my image and the display is breoken what do i do |
| 18:28.22 | stew | klikklak: have you run fsck on it recently? |
| 18:28.33 | klikklak | stew: I installed the system with 4.0rc1 boot dvd, if that matters |
| 18:28.34 | wols | ricardo: ask automatix folks. and learn not to use such shit in the future |
| 18:28.39 | klikklak | stew: not for ages |
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| 18:29.27 | ricardo | wols it did seem to make life a bit easier for me |
| 18:29.37 | klikklak | stew: I have head to work now, but I'll do a fsck later |
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| 18:30.34 | klikklak | stew: oh yeah, thanks |
| 18:30.54 | wols | ricardo: as you now see, this was a lie |
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| 18:33.25 | streuner_ | wols! |
| 18:33.48 | ricardo | wols it seems that Automatix has installed the driver the nvidia way which i believe means I have to reinstall the driver each time I upgrade the kernal |
| 18:34.16 | eth01 | how can I enable core dump logs? |
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| 18:34.34 | stew | ricardo: no matter how you installed any 3rd party driver into your kernel, you need to reinstall it when you upgrade your kernel |
| 18:34.37 | streuner_ | wth are "core dump logs"? |
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| 18:34.43 | eth01 | core dumps |
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| 18:35.37 | eth01 | stew, you wouldn't know would you? |
| 18:35.38 | \amethyst | eth01: ulimit -c unlimited |
| 18:35.45 | plb | piroko: ok... first all you'll probably need to switch to a newer radeon driver |
| 18:35.47 | shamrock | stew: Sorry, but can you explain again how I get the properties my usb device supports? |
| 18:35.54 | shamrock | (HAL properties) |
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| 18:36.01 | piroko | plb: Is there an easy way to go about that in debian? |
| 18:36.06 | plb | piroko: the TV out in the FOSS drivers by default is pretty new and the xrandr support is new |
| 18:36.09 | ricardo | stew ah ok. |
| 18:36.10 | stew | shamrock: from lshal or hal-device or hal-device-manager |
| 18:36.12 | yos87 | Hi, I have problem while update the packages http://pastebin.com/d7a517d9d |
| 18:36.18 | piroko | plb: Or is it hacking time? >:-) |
| 18:36.26 | yos87 | with the acpid |
| 18:36.35 | shamrock | hal-device-manager does not exist. Gnome device-manager exists but lists no properties. |
| 18:36.39 | piroko | plb: Well you know it's VGA-out, right? |
| 18:36.44 | stew | ricardo: perhaps automatix is claiming to do that for you, i dunno. not many people around here would use automatix |
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| 18:36.52 | plb | piroko: oh... that's different |
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| 18:36.57 | eth01 | where does it dump them? |
| 18:37.03 | piroko | plb: Yeah, I don't have tv-out on this lappy |
| 18:37.05 | \amethyst | eth01: in the current directory |
| 18:37.14 | shamrock | hal-device does the job thanks. |
| 18:37.17 | \amethyst | eth01: man core |
| 18:37.17 | plb | piroko: so it's a TV with a VGA in? |
| 18:37.21 | piroko | plb: Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you |
| 18:37.24 | ricardo | stew im checking their boards |
| 18:37.29 | piroko | plb: No, it's just my monitor |
| 18:37.35 | streuner_ | yos87: show us your sources.list and the output of "dpkg -l libc6" in paster bot (paste.debian.net) |
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| 18:37.56 | plb | piroko: ok that's alot easier :-P |
| 18:37.58 | streuner_ | yos87: damn, that looks really nasty |
| 18:38.00 | piroko | plb: Hooray |
| 18:38.34 | plb | piroko: according to the log it should already by in Clone mode |
| 18:39.08 | yos87 | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/d5d674318 |
| 18:39.14 | \amethyst | yos87: what happens when you try invoke-rc.d acpid start by hand? |
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| 18:39.42 | piroko | plb: Well my monitor is picking up a signal from my output, and when I drop to a tty and switch output modes the monitor turns on and off... It's just that the output is blank |
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| 18:40.03 | streuner_ | yos87: the *whole* sources.list sucks! |
| 18:40.35 | yos87 | streuner_: why? what happen? what's wrong? |
| 18:40.53 | streuner_ | yos87: *one* line for offcial mirror, one line for *security*, NOTHING more! |
| 18:41.18 | plb | hrm... what kind of laptop? I'm wondering if the LCD/CRT setting is being controlled below the OS level |
| 18:41.36 | streuner_ | Dont add any other line |
| 18:41.37 | yos87 | streuner_: I don't know from where I can get more repository , and it's asking for keys |
| 18:41.39 | piroko | plb: It's a thinkpad X31. I didn't think about that... |
| 18:41.43 | piroko | plb: It's possible |
| 18:42.16 | streuner_ | yos87: for official keys look at /topic, for each add. mirror just look at there websites |
| 18:42.30 | piroko | plb: I'll check my BIOS and return |
| 18:42.34 | yos87 | \amethyst: it say failed |
| 18:42.38 | artista_frustrad | abortman, openoffice has some problemas with nfs locking.. it only opens files as read only and crashes if I try to save a file |
| 18:42.38 | piroko | plb: Thank you so far :) |
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| 18:43.01 | yos87 | streuner_: from where I will get the repositorys? |
| 18:43.04 | \amethyst | yos87: no more information than that? try adding set -x near the top of /etc/rc.d/acpid and trying again |
| 18:43.20 | streuner_ | yos87: just throw anything OUT, only use official mirrors |
| 18:43.39 | eth01 | where do the core dumps go, I can't see any :/ |
| 18:43.53 | abrotman | sewer |
| 18:43.56 | abrotman | sorryy |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | eth01: it depends ... |
| 18:44.05 | yos87 | streuner_: now what I do? |
| 18:44.16 | streuner_ | yos87: just what we told you! |
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| 18:45.10 | eth01 | abrotman, it's for a daemon which keeps stopping - the logs for that particular daemon, though, show nothing |
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| 18:45.38 | sarefo | hi, any idea where to find the dpms settings for the system (!= kde settings)? |
| 18:45.54 | yos87 | streuner_: when I make apt-get upgrade it stop one acpid, still there is allot of system packages downloaded not yet installed, how to skip the acpd and tell him to resume? |
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| 18:46.11 | streuner_ | fix your sources.list first! |
| 18:46.24 | yos87 | streuner_: he download 400 MB of data, and now he stop with acpid |
| 18:46.35 | streuner_ | no wonder :-) |
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| 18:46.49 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 18:46.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 18:47.30 | streuner_ | same goes if you going to use third party lines in your sources.list... |
| 18:47.47 | streuner_ | ONLY use official mirrors |
| 18:48.17 | yos87 | streuner_: is it work if I did dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb ? |
| 18:48.19 | abrotman | eth01: i think there's a setting you have to change to keep cores laying around |
| 18:48.39 | streuner_ | yos87: How many times we should tell you? |
| 18:48.54 | streuner_ | yos87: Just use official mirros! |
| 18:48.59 | streuner_ | mirrors* |
| 18:49.42 | mike1o | I need to get debian in 1GB, which GUI should I use? |
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| 18:49.52 | streuner_ | sorry, if you use something other, we cant help you then |
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| 18:50.21 | Ronin | mike1o: fluxbox or somethign lighter, can you do an X install in under a gig? |
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| 18:50.32 | yos87 | streuner_ : which one the official? the us.debian.org? it was alone before in my sources.list, It was not updating till I add the ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
| 18:50.38 | piroko | Now that's just odd |
| 18:50.40 | mike1o | Ronin, I hope so |
| 18:51.50 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: You could use the debian live stuff |
| 18:51.50 | plb | piroko:? |
| 18:51.50 | streuner_ | yos87: ftp.<TLD>.debian.org are officiall |
| 18:51.50 | h3sp4wn | mike1o: and look at the grml2usb script for how to get it bootable |
| 18:51.50 | mike1o | h3sp4wn, what is that? |
| 18:51.50 | piroko | plb: It's working now. The only thing I changed in the bios was to use AGP over PCI, as the default output of BOTH was already set |
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| 18:51.50 | h3sp4wn | !info live-package |
| 18:51.50 | Ronin | i know a cmd line install is easily below that |
| 18:51.50 | mike1o | h3sp4wn, im installing on to the usb stick with qemu |
| 18:51.51 | piroko | plb: I still have to switch down to a tty to switch between modes with the hotkey, but I'll live with that |
| 18:51.51 | yos87 | streuner_: and I download all the packages already, I have to forget them? |
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| 18:51.52 | h3sp4wn | !info live-helper |
| 18:51.52 | plb | piroko: well that is odd :-P |
| 18:51.55 | dpkg | live-helper: (Debian Live helper programs), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.0~a37-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1826 kB, Installed size: 5464 kB |
| 18:51.56 | streuner_ | yos87: only if you use the debian.org hostname, other are secontary, they might work well, but some arent |
| 18:52.00 | piroko | plb: Maybe I had to do a radeontool dac on |
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| 18:52.16 | piroko | plb: But I could've swarn I tried that yesterday... Oh well |
| 18:52.21 | plb | piroko: heh |
| 18:52.33 | piroko | plb: Thank you for your helpful demeanor :) |
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| 18:52.38 | streuner_ | yos87: they are already installed... |
| 18:52.58 | streuner_ | yos87: so the packages has influence in your dpkg db... |
| 18:53.00 | plb | piroko: yw |
| 18:53.01 | shamrock | stew: do I have to munge the output from hal-devices to get a proper HAL propterty? I modified the ivman actions XML to match again "storage.serial" but get an illegal property warning when I plug the phone in e.g "IvmConfig/IvmConfigActions.c:153 (parseIvmConfigActions) Invalid match name: storage.serial". Yet hal-devices listed this when I plugged it in. |
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| 18:53.55 | streuner_ | yos87: if you are lucky, you get rid of that... |
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| 18:54.56 | streuner_ | yos87: best thing would be, just re-install, and backup important data |
| 18:54.57 | bonez44 | is it possible to create a shortcut icon on desktop, by dragging and dropping a file from a file list dialogue box/ |
| 18:55.29 | yos87 | streuner_: even delete the debian-multimedia.org? and video lan? |
| 18:55.35 | stew | shamrock: try hal.storage.serial |
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| 18:55.54 | streuner_ | yos87: debian-multimedia is mostly just fine... |
| 18:56.04 | streuner_ | yos87: dunno about video lan |
| 18:56.25 | streuner_ | yos87: vlc is in Debian... |
| 18:56.34 | shamrock | stew had just done that before you replies and it works! wonderful. Brilliant. I am so happy with this now. Cheers. |
| 18:56.44 | stew | cheers |
| 18:56.54 | yos87 | streuner_ : Ok, I change it |
| 18:57.10 | streuner_ | good luck, you'll need that :-/ |
| 18:57.10 | wols | yos87: what debian branch do you run? |
| 18:57.25 | yos87 | wols: etch 4.0 |
| 18:57.32 | wols | then debian has vlc |
| 18:57.54 | yos87 | streuner_: I did, still error with the acpid when apt-get upgrade |
| 18:57.57 | Tramp | sarefo: xset q |
| 18:58.05 | wols | !tell yos87 about bat |
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| 18:59.18 | streuner_ | yos87: one line for official mirror, one line for "security" |
| 18:59.32 | streuner_ | just throw other OUT! |
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| 18:59.50 | yos87 | streuner_: what is the repository for security? |
| 19:00.27 | streuner_ | !security |
| 19:00.28 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
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| 19:04.17 | tdn | Does anyone have the time to help me get IrDA to work on my IBM Thinkpad T42? |
| 19:04.32 | Jyzygzel- | [ 3147.835770] usb 1-6: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 8 |
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| 19:04.37 | Jyzygzel- | where can you read that device? |
| 19:04.37 | wols | !irda |
| 19:04.37 | dpkg | irda is, like, (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ |
| 19:04.45 | yos87 | streuner_ : I add it, But now he is ignoring most of them will apt-get update http://pastebin.com/d547e2e9d |
| 19:05.40 | tralala | tdn, thinkwiki.org |
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| 19:06.17 | tralala | what do you want to do with the irda? |
| 19:06.40 | stew | Jyzygzel-: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:07.02 | streuner_ | yos87: just try to throw DVD lines out too |
| 19:07.05 | Jyzygzel- | im not in ubuntu |
| 19:07.10 | robboplus | hm... is it normal to have same line in route -n repeated THREE times in a row? |
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| 19:07.22 | Speckal | hi all |
| 19:07.23 | Jyzygzel- | im using debian |
| 19:07.25 | stew | Jyzygzel-: you've switched from ubuntu to debian sometime in the last few hours? |
| 19:07.30 | Jyzygzel- | yes |
| 19:07.36 | Jyzygzel- | i have lots of computers you knoe |
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| 19:07.45 | robboplus | it goes like: 0.0.0.0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 19:07.48 | streuner_ | yos87: also, the line for videolan points to sarge, which is oldstable... |
| 19:07.53 | stew | Jyzygzel-: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:07.55 | Speckal | is there any way to keep gnome from auto-mounting a specific usb flash disk? |
| 19:08.04 | Jyzygzel- | storage? ;p |
| 19:08.08 | stew | Jyzygzel-: (assuming that it is some sort of storage device) |
| 19:08.13 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what kind of device is it? |
| 19:08.15 | Jyzygzel- | well most certainly not |
| 19:08.27 | Jyzygzel- | game controller |
| 19:08.40 | wols | Jyzygzel-: why do you have those timestamps the way they are shown? |
| 19:08.51 | wols | Jyzygzel-: how did you manage that? |
| 19:08.53 | streuner_ | yos87: we told you twice, one line for official, one line for security... |
| 19:09.03 | Jyzygzel- | dammit! |
| 19:09.11 | Jyzygzel- | ur too good for me |
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| 19:09.43 | wols | Jyzygzel-: I'm just curious since I never saw it |
| 19:10.28 | Jyzygzel- | yea im so good i made them |
| 19:10.50 | Jyzygzel- | or we can just play that the actual line is:: usb 1-6: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 8 |
| 19:11.07 | Jyzygzel- | and the timestamp came from my IRC client accidently |
| 19:11.19 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, a game controller should just work - try a game |
| 19:11.26 | wols | which client is this? never saw one with those kind of timestamps? |
| 19:11.31 | Speckal | is there any way to keep gnome from auto-mounting a specific usb flash disk? every disk I stick in gets mounted to /media/usbdisk[1-n] |
| 19:11.31 | Jyzygzel- | tralala im not after that |
| 19:11.39 | Jyzygzel- | im after where can i see the data flow |
| 19:11.48 | Jyzygzel- | cat /dev/usb/lolmydevice |
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| 19:11.56 | Jyzygzel- | im sure it has some place where it goes |
| 19:12.01 | stew | Jyzygzel-: it would probably show up as /dev/js0 |
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| 19:12.16 | stew | Jyzygzel-: or maybe /dev/input/js0 |
| 19:12.19 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, I'd expect it to be somewhere in /dev/input |
| 19:12.33 | tralala | but I'm not so sure that cat will give you the data |
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| 19:12.42 | Jyzygzel- | it will |
| 19:12.45 | Jyzygzel- | i've done this before |
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| 19:13.01 | stew | Jyzygzel-: so then you see the data by running "cat /dev/whatever" |
| 19:13.13 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 19:13.25 | Jyzygzel- | then i > /dev/dsp |
| 19:13.33 | Jyzygzel- | and im like "hahaha" |
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| 19:14.01 | stew | wols: he said that this is a debian machine, not his ubuntu machine |
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| 19:14.21 | tralala | wols, ubuntu is based on debian - same thing! |
| 19:14.22 | Jyzygzel- | now everyone should try: cat /dev/input/mice > /dev/dsp |
| 19:14.24 | streuner_ | wols: when the hell freeces ... ;-) |
| 19:14.32 | onur | Hi. How can i search installed packages with apt? |
| 19:14.43 | tralala | onur, apt-cache or aptitude search |
| 19:14.44 | streuner_ | apt-cache show |
| 19:14.46 | wols | stew: yeah, cause deban has timestamps like the one he showed and asked us pretend not to see it? |
| 19:14.46 | CharminTheMoose | in E16 how do i remove borderless workspaces? |
| 19:14.58 | wols | onur: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 19:14.59 | stew | Jyzygzel-: oh, this is ubuntu again? |
| 19:15.11 | Jyzygzel- | o wut |
| 19:15.15 | onur | tralala: apt cache search showing all packages |
| 19:15.20 | Jyzygzel- | no wai this is the crappy ubuntu |
| 19:15.26 | onur | i need only to show installed packages |
| 19:15.34 | stew | Jyzygzel-: has your question been answered now? |
| 19:15.35 | tralala | onur, aptitude search ~i or what wols said |
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| 19:15.44 | Jyzygzel- | stew well not really |
| 19:15.49 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what is your question then? |
| 19:15.50 | streuner_ | Jyzygzel-: #ubuntu |
| 19:15.53 | Jyzygzel- | i expected it to have the same number as it was given |
| 19:15.53 | onur | can i do this with apt? |
| 19:16.00 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what is it? |
| 19:16.04 | stew | 'it' |
| 19:16.13 | stew | Jyzygzel-: you expected what to have the same number as what? |
| 19:16.14 | tralala | onur, yes, aptitude is apt |
| 19:16.20 | Jyzygzel- | USB Device using ohci_hcd with address 8 |
| 19:16.26 | onur | ok tralala |
| 19:16.27 | Jyzygzel- | so /dev/foobar8 |
| 19:16.28 | onur | thanks |
| 19:16.32 | Jyzygzel- | thats what i expect |
| 19:16.38 | sarefo | listening to onur oezer right now ;) |
| 19:16.52 | Jyzygzel- | but also it says: usb 1-6 |
| 19:16.53 | wols | Jyzygzel-: usb never ever works this way |
| 19:16.55 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, the usb address changes every time you connect a device |
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| 19:17.02 | Jyzygzel- | yes i notices |
| 19:17.04 | sarefo | is samba the way to go if i want to access files from my lenny machine on my wireless windows laptop? |
| 19:17.07 | sarefo | and vice versa |
| 19:17.11 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:17.16 | wols | sarefo: smbfs, but yes |
| 19:17.20 | stew | Jyzygzel-: or which version of udev do you have installed? |
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| 19:17.27 | stew | err and not or |
| 19:17.30 | Jyzygzel- | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
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| 19:17.54 | yos87 | streuner_: can I see you sources.list please? |
| 19:17.59 | Jyzygzel- | nooo |
| 19:18.04 | Fly-man- | Evening all |
| 19:18.14 | Fly-man- | Can somebody help me with this small problem: |
| 19:18.20 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, there's 2.6.18-5 |
| 19:18.20 | Fly-man- | I have a Sweex UPS system |
| 19:18.20 | streuner_ | yos87: wouldnt help much, they are one for unstable and for stable |
| 19:18.23 | wols | tralala: ubuntu kernels don't have that security exploit anymore so he's safe from you. it's just that etch comes with that version |
| 19:18.28 | Fly-man- | Which package do I need to monitor it ? |
| 19:18.46 | Jyzygzel- | what exploit are we talking about |
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| 19:18.50 | yos87 | streuner_: what stable and unstable mean? |
| 19:18.59 | wols | yos87: as streuner_ you already told: only two lines in sources.list. one for the normal repo, other for main. and maybe debian-multimedia as the third |
| 19:19.02 | tralala | wols, heh ;) |
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| 19:19.23 | wols | tralala: so he mentions it when he gets asked to check |
| 19:19.26 | plb | !tell yos87 about releases |
| 19:19.38 | tralala | yos87, stable means what you want, unstable mean what you shouldn't touch until you gain at least 5 years of experience with debian |
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| 19:20.11 | Fly-man- | Anybody ? |
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| 19:20.48 | simonrvn | Fly-man-: they don't have s/w on their site? |
| 19:20.56 | stew | Jyzygzel-: you are missing about 5 security updates to the kernel, each fixing several vulnerabilities |
| 19:21.12 | Jyzygzel- | what vulnerabilities |
| 19:21.21 | wols | Jyzygzel-: security.debian.org |
| 19:21.43 | stew | Jyzygzel-: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1356 http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1363 http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1378 http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1381 http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1428 |
| 19:21.57 | Jyzygzel- | so the first 5? |
| 19:22.01 | tralala | Fly-man-, nut (if it supports it) |
| 19:22.09 | stew | Jyzygzel-: the first 5 what? |
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| 19:22.14 | Jyzygzel- | http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 19:22.16 | Jyzygzel- | from there |
| 19:22.17 | Fly-man- | Trlala, how do I know ? |
| 19:22.25 | simonrvn | check out tralala's suggestion first |
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| 19:22.34 | wols | Fly-man-: reading manualy |
| 19:22.39 | stew | Jyzygzel-: no, anything that says "linux-2.6" here: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/ |
| 19:22.47 | tralala | manually reading manuals ;) |
| 19:22.54 | jelly-home | ... by hand |
| 19:23.03 | simonrvn | with *both* hands |
| 19:23.08 | stew | Jyzygzel-: you have a -4 kernel, the -5 kernel replaced the -4 kernel and has been updated 4 times since. |
| 19:23.13 | tralala | Fly-man-, check out the docs, their site, etc |
| 19:23.14 | tdn | tralala, I have read on thinkwiki but not gotten it to work. I want to use my laptop as a remote control for my dSLR camera. |
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| 19:23.26 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:23.26 | Fly-man- | tralala, site doesn;t show any Linux things |
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| 19:23.33 | Fly-man- | only a Windows version of CD |
| 19:23.35 | Jyzygzel- | stew what do you mean? |
| 19:23.35 | Fly-man- | and on website |
| 19:23.42 | tralala | Fly-man-, the nut site, not your ups' |
| 19:23.50 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 19:24.06 | Jyzygzel- | Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 19:24.10 | Speckal | is there any way to keep gnome from auto-mounting a specific usb flash disk? every disk I stick in gets mounted to /media/usbdisk[1-n] |
| 19:24.21 | tralala | tdn, I'm not sure a thinkpad ir sensor can act as a remote control |
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| 19:25.14 | stew | Jyzygzel-: /msg dpkg etch security |
| 19:25.36 | Jyzygzel- | i don't really care about security updates that much |
| 19:25.36 | yos87 | tralala: and why the second line use to be the same but the add -src after deb in the sources.list |
| 19:25.43 | stew | Jyzygzel-: then stop asking about them |
| 19:25.52 | Jyzygzel- | you started telling me |
| 19:25.58 | capiira | anyone know a way to type french comfortable with english keyboard ? :D |
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| 19:26.03 | Jyzygzel- | tralala what did you do now |
| 19:26.15 | stew | Jyzygzel-: becuase you said "what vulnerabilities" then i told you, then you asked me for more specificds |
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| 19:26.42 | tralala | Jyzygzel-, I made your pc a zombie which I intend to use for all sorts of illegal activities and you get to foot the bill |
| 19:26.58 | Jyzygzel- | be my quest |
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| 19:27.10 | Jyzygzel- | i like illegal |
| 19:27.12 | tdn | tralala, why not? |
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| 19:27.34 | Fly-man- | Tralala, thanx :) |
| 19:27.57 | Fly-man- | That works :D |
| 19:27.57 | tralala | Fly-man-, lucky you - mine piece of junk is not supported |
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| 19:28.42 | tralala | tdn, I'm not a hardware guy but afaik the remote control sensors are different than the pc/mobile phone ones |
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| 19:30.25 | tdn | tralala, hmm... Ok. But shouldn't I be able to use the infrared port as a RC with lirc? |
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| 19:30.44 | tdn | tralala, I have found the IR codes for lirc that I need to emulate my camera remote. |
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| 19:30.59 | tralala | I don't think so. I don't remember if I tried using lirc with a laptop ir |
| 19:31.06 | bkruse | hey guys, in debian, how do you bind dhcpd to one device? |
| 19:31.11 | bkruse | (or use bindaddr, either) |
| 19:31.14 | notfundesktop | Marvell 88SE6111 not supported by Linux, damnit |
| 19:31.15 | _Sam-- | dhcpd.conf? |
| 19:31.30 | robboplus | folks, what does mdev state for in: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 47.715/71.828/103.127/19.077 ms ? |
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| 19:31.47 | bkruse | _Sam--: looked, now bindaddr or bind_interface or anything like it |
| 19:31.51 | _Sam-- | or, etc/default/dhcp |
| 19:31.56 | _Sam-- | # On what interfaces should the DHCP server (dhcpd) serve DHCP requests? |
| 19:31.56 | _Sam-- | # Separate multiple interfaces with spaces, e.g. "eth0 eth1". |
| 19:31.56 | _Sam-- | INTERFACES="eth0" |
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| 19:32.02 | tralala | tdn, but on the lirc site there's a scheme for you to build your own ir sumbitter/receiver that you can use for this. I've done it for the receiver part and it worked well enough. |
| 19:32.04 | wols | notfundesktop: you sure, not even newer kernels |
| 19:32.13 | bkruse | _Sam--: thank you thank you thank you |
| 19:32.18 | bkruse | was searching for devices/bind |
| 19:32.26 | _Sam-- | the debian way :) |
| 19:32.37 | bkruse | of course :] |
| 19:32.37 | bkruse | thanks |
| 19:32.43 | _Sam-- | sure thing, hope alls well on #asterisk. |
| 19:32.51 | notfundesktop | wols: there's a pata_marvell modules, but it doesn't seem to work for that chip (not work as in it's not recognized as IDE device by the kernel) |
| 19:33.04 | notfundesktop | or rather: no IDE device is detected |
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| 19:33.21 | bkruse | _Sam--: pretty good, you regular there? |
| 19:33.27 | tralala | notfundesktop, which kernel? |
| 19:33.30 | wols | notfundesktop: what kernel version do you use? |
| 19:33.37 | bkruse | _Sam--: im at digium now, actually |
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| 19:33.42 | _Sam-- | yeah, long time * user...left the channel a while ago cause of someone in particular |
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| 19:34.04 | _Sam-- | nice, good peep there. |
| 19:34.05 | notfundesktop | wols, tralala: the current one in testing/unstable (package name contains 2.6.22-3) |
| 19:34.13 | _Sam-- | file was always good me, long before he went there |
| 19:34.16 | bkruse | _Sam--: agreed, I work mainly on the asterisk GUI |
| 19:34.27 | bkruse | I just saw him about 10 minutes ago, but hes going back to canada |
| 19:34.31 | _Sam-- | what is an asterisk GUI, isnt that called freepbx and not supported? :) |
| 19:34.54 | SamuraiDio | can i download and install, without ptoblems, a kernel from etch or sarge, in lenny? |
| 19:35.02 | bkruse | _Sam--: eww eww eww no |
| 19:35.08 | bkruse | http://asteriskNOW.org/install-related |
| 19:35.09 | dutchfish | !destar |
| 19:35.10 | wols | SamuraiDio: etch kernel, yes. sarge: wouldn't do it |
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| 19:35.25 | piroko | Man, we should save ourselves a ton of trouble and just switch to windows |
| 19:35.40 | wols | piroko: good bye. have a nice life |
| 19:35.42 | dutchfish | oh you should apt-cache show destar, _Sam-- |
| 19:35.51 | piroko | Haha |
| 19:36.00 | kiiz | hiare suggested and recommended dependencies needed for a package to work |
| 19:36.01 | SamuraiDio | wols, the 2.6.18 from etch should work |
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| 19:36.12 | kiiz | hi, are suggested and recommended dependencies needed for a package to work |
| 19:36.27 | wols | kiiz: they are not needed. only recommended or suggested |
| 19:36.43 | tralala | kiiz, what's needed is "required" the rest is optional |
| 19:37.02 | _Sam-- | bkruse: why would a profecient asterisk user choose to run the gui? |
| 19:37.27 | bkruse | _Sam--: The gui is actually really helpful now, but I do not use it :] |
| 19:37.44 | bkruse | its for new comers, expanding the market, it works well with flipping between gui/config files, and has a config editor in the gui |
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| 19:38.16 | bkruse | _Sam--: I do not use it, but you ever tried to configure a b410p? :] |
| 19:38.22 | _Sam-- | that whole thing of a gui, from asterisk directly is somewhat antithetical, based on the longstanding attitudes of most poeple...is it mainly to qwell (no pun intended) people from going to freepbx or others? |
| 19:39.16 | notfundesktop | can the "business card" installation image be used for USB sticks? (i.e. boot from it to install debian) |
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| 19:39.39 | bkruse | _Sam--: well, its ALL clientside (except that actual config file download/upload) so its extremely non-intensive |
| 19:39.46 | tralala | notfundesktop, probably |
| 19:39.54 | bkruse | _Sam--: it is quite awesome |
| 19:40.02 | chops | Is there an easy way to make a shell script so that only one copy of it can run it at a time? |
| 19:40.05 | _Sam-- | oh i see...i didnt realize its client side thing. |
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| 19:40.21 | chops | I'm trying to play games with parsing the output of "ps", but it's turning out stupid. |
| 19:40.43 | tralala | chops, use a lock file |
| 19:40.46 | chops | Ideal would be if I could make bash call flock() at the top and then release the lock when it was done |
| 19:41.04 | chops | tralala: I'm a little concerned with how to handle it if the script dies before it can delete the lock file |
| 19:41.22 | kiiz | is it possible for debian to connect to a qemu windows vm and use the internet conection on the windows vm |
| 19:41.26 | tralala | chops, store the pid in the lock file and check upon start if the pid is still active |
| 19:41.40 | chops | FWIW, all I need is for the script to run if there's no other copy of it running, and exit if there is a copy |
| 19:41.47 | dutchfish | kiiz, yes |
| 19:41.52 | notfundesktop | tralala: so... how to write an ISO to an USB stick? |
| 19:42.04 | bkruse | _Sam--: right, so php? not an option, all javascript, therefore its not server intensive, keeping asterisk doing what it is supposed to be doing, being a pbx |
| 19:42.13 | bkruse | _Sam--: file is back, want me to tell him you said hi from.. ? |
| 19:42.16 | tralala | notfundesktop, loop mount it and copy the contents |
| 19:42.17 | chops | tralala: Well, then we have a race condition to deal with... ugh... I guess I could use a directory and store a file with the PID in the directory (and assume that the script won't die between those two operations). |
| 19:42.31 | notfundesktop | tralala: that destroys bootability (boot sector etc.) |
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| 19:42.41 | SamuraiDio | linux-image packages has no deopendencies, right? |
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| 19:43.04 | tralala | SamuraiDio, of course they do |
| 19:43.06 | _Sam-- | bkruse: ive seem him in online in the last few weeks...but feel free to tell him i said hey, i dont think he will get that excited :) |
| 19:43.26 | _Sam-- | he helped me with something else, i forget what recently |
| 19:43.27 | kiiz | dutchfish: thanks. but how easy is it.please i need some hints.i am new to all this |
| 19:44.05 | dutchfish | kiiz, http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-install-windows-xp-in-debian-using-qemu |
| 19:44.10 | tralala | chops, a race condition? How? |
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| 19:44.45 | chops | tralala: (script 1: check for file, doesn't exist) (script 2: check for file, doesn't exist) (script 1: write PID to file) (script 2: write PID to file) (script 1 and 2 together: run) |
| 19:44.55 | chops | tralala: At least, that's the problem that my naive implementation will have |
| 19:45.06 | dutchfish | kiiz, you also may want to look at qemu-launcher ;) |
| 19:45.11 | chops | tralala: I can cope with making a directory being my atomic operation |
| 19:45.20 | chops | tralala: , though |
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| 19:45.59 | tralala | chops, is there really such a chance? I mean starting it twice simultaneously? |
| 19:46.11 | bkruse | _Sam--: file might, hes interesting :] |
| 19:46.33 | tralala | notfundesktop, you'll make it bootable with syslinux or grub |
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| 19:46.55 | notfundesktop | tralala: good point |
| 19:47.44 | jelly-home | chops: s/write PID to file/open the file with O_EXCL & O_CREAT/ |
| 19:47.44 | chops | jelly-home: This is from shell script :-) |
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| 19:47.48 | chops | It's okay, I've got a version that works with dirs |
| 19:47.54 | tralala | notfundesktop, see this for ideas: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 19:48.06 | chops | tralala: It's true, in the current usage they'll never be started simultaneously, so I guess I don't need to worry about it |
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| 19:48.55 | notfundesktop | tralala: ty! I'll try that |
| 19:48.56 | tralala | chops, /path/to/dir-pid? |
| 19:49.11 | chops | tralala: No, just using mkdir as the atomic operation |
| 19:49.23 | tralala | what's the dir name? |
| 19:49.40 | chops | tralala: if ! [ -d /lock/path ]; then mkdir /lock/path || exit; echo $$ > /lock/path/pid; fi |
| 19:49.41 | netgear | what is the use of debian etch 4.0 r1 source dvd for me? |
| 19:49.58 | Ronin | netgear: nice coaster? |
| 19:50.05 | chops | netgear: If you want to compile any of it yourself (also the availability of it satisfies GPL legal requirements) |
| 19:50.11 | tralala | chops, won't help if the script dies unexpectedly |
| 19:50.25 | netgear | ok, no i dont use source anymore - its only problems for me |
| 19:50.27 | \amethyst | netgear: if you give a copy of etch to someone, they have a right to ask you for the source |
| 19:50.35 | chops | tralala: Yeah, the complete version is "if [ -f /tmp/pecan-sync-pid ] && ps -C pecan-p4p-sync -p "`cat /tmp/pecan-sync-pid`"; then", but I didn't feel like typing that :-) |
| 19:50.37 | netgear | so:) |
| 19:50.51 | netgear | that is why i got it i suppose |
| 19:50.51 | aarcane | Heyy, I'm having issues with Network Manager in Debian Sid. IE Network Manager never seems to detect that my network is working, and then disables it, even though while network manager is running, iwconfig shows the device as working and associated, and dhclient can pull an IP address before it disassociates because of networkmanager. |
| 19:50.57 | abrotman | \amethyst: or at least where to obtain it |
| 19:51.00 | chops | tralala: I just got rid of the directory stuff. You're right, it's overengineering at this point. |
| 19:51.34 | chops | tralala: if (what I typed above); then exit; else echo $$ > /tmp/pecan-sync-pid; fi |
| 19:51.38 | chops | tralala: Seems solid enough |
| 19:51.52 | tralala | yep, it should do |
| 19:52.09 | tralala | you could also go for the dir solution, but you have to use the pid as a part of the dir name |
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| 19:52.29 | netgear | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.36 | \amethyst | abrotman: I guess clause 3c ("accompany it wih the information you received as to the offer...") |
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| 19:52.59 | abrotman | covered! :) |
| 19:53.00 | dutchfish | how can i test, in a shell script, that nobody is using file foo? |
| 19:53.17 | tralala | dutchfish, lsof or fuser (as root) |
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| 19:53.19 | fisxoj | I'm using sid, and, apparently, gdm doesn't start when I boot up the computer now |
| 19:53.35 | dutchfish | tralala, if not root, is there a solution? |
| 19:53.50 | fisxoj | I had to run gdm manually (and /etc/init.d/gdm start did nothing) |
| 19:53.54 | tralala | dutchfish, I think not |
| 19:54.03 | dutchfish | tralala, ok, thx :) |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | dutchfish: might want to ask #bash |
| 19:54.11 | rahul | fisxoj: so why are you telling us? file a bug report |
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| 19:54.23 | tralala | !rahul++ |
| 19:54.30 | rahul | fisxoj: this is for debian users, not debian testers |
| 19:54.30 | chops | tralala: Eh? It seems like the complete solution is: if [ -f /tmp/pecan-sync/pid ] && ps -C pecan-p4p-sync -p `cat /tmp/pecan-sync/pid` ]; then exit; else mkdir /tmp/pecan-sync || exit; echo $$ > /tmp/pecan-sync/pid; fi |
| 19:54.48 | eth01 | gdm, worked fine here. |
| 19:54.51 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, ill do, thx |
| 19:55.02 | fisxoj | rahul: because I don't even know what the problem is, and I'd rather like it to work |
| 19:55.06 | abrotman | dutchfish: however .. if your script depends on that file being exclusive .. time for a lock file ? |
| 19:55.10 | chops | tralala: No PID in the directory name |
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| 19:55.26 | tralala | chops, eh? still not atomic |
| 19:55.31 | chops | tralala: Why not? |
| 19:55.34 | rahul | fisxoj: if you want something to work, don't use a release that's likely to not work |
| 19:55.48 | tralala | chops, because you have echo $$ > file |
| 19:55.50 | rahul | fisxoj: if you can't figure out how to file a bug report, you shouldn't be an alpha tester |
| 19:55.55 | dutchfish | abrotman, i use watchdir and want to make sure, the upload of a file is fineshed (samba) before picking out of a queue for processing |
| 19:56.02 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:56.35 | dutchfish | abrotman, the script is non-root |
| 19:56.37 | chops | tralala: What can happen? That part is protected by the "mkdir /tmp/pecan-sync || exit"... oh, I see. A second script can start up between "mkdir /tmp/pecan-sync" and "echo $$ > /tmp/pecan-sync/pid". Ugh. |
| 19:56.51 | tralala | dutchfish, can't you arange the uploading programme to put a "mark" when the transfer is done? |
| 19:56.59 | chops | tralala: Glad I decided to punt that part :-) |
| 19:57.03 | fisxoj | rahul: I know how to file a bug report, but first I want to patch my system back together, forgive me for thinking people would help here |
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| 19:57.35 | \amethyst | chops: but the second script would stop when mkdir fails, right? |
| 19:57.48 | \amethyst | I haven't looked at the code in question |
| 19:57.55 | dutchfish | tralala, thought of that too, but the proggi is a stupid win~ printer driver, that converts .agd to .lasp (laserplot) files |
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| 19:58.21 | chops | \amethyst: Oh, right. Two bugs. It turns out writing code in real time on IRC is not my strong suit. |
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| 19:59.12 | eroticon | hi folks |
| 19:59.22 | \amethyst | chops: I'm saying, mkdir /tmp/pecan-sync || exit ; echo $$ > /tmp/pecan-sync/pid ought to be fine, because the pidfile is protected by the critical section (mkdir and everything after) |
| 19:59.22 | eroticon | is there any other tool than netenv to configure the networking through a ncurses-based console? |
| 20:00.06 | chops | \amethyst: Yeah, but "mkdir /tmp/pecan-sync || exit" makes it fail even in the case where one script runs and gets aborted partway through, and then a second script starts after that. The second script aborts instead of overwriting the first script's PID file. |
| 20:00.17 | netgear | i have blacklisted my pc speaker in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist how can i apply this without reboot? |
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| 20:00.25 | \amethyst | chops: then you need to remove the directory in a trap |
| 20:00.37 | eroticon | folks |
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| 20:00.47 | eroticon | is there any tool to configure the networking in console, ncurses-based. |
| 20:01.14 | chops | \amethyst: I've stopped caring at this point. The script is just a cron job that might run for long, so I can afford to just assume that no two copies of it will be started simultaneously. |
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| 20:01.22 | chops | \amethyst: But thank you :-) |
| 20:01.28 | bkruse | _Sam--: thanks again, back to #asterisk :] |
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| 20:01.43 | chops | eroticon: nano /etc/network/interfaces is your best bet, quite honestly. |
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| 20:02.25 | jelly-home | chops: you can trap 'rmdir /tmp/pecan-sync' 1 2 3 15 to clean the lock up in case of the usual signals |
| 20:02.44 | dutchfish | tralala, maybe i can use samba printer support, and make some sort of virtual printer device... mmmm |
| 20:02.46 | chops | jelly-home: ! |
| 20:02.54 | chops | jelly-home: That's quite useful. I didn't know about that. |
| 20:03.18 | \amethyst | better make that rm -rf, or at least rm the pidfile too |
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| 20:03.46 | netgear | what do you guys consider a high speed mirror? in download speeds of kB? |
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| 20:03.58 | tralala | chops, http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ#head-446a63f5a7988af596dd4d6ed6a02f49d3ee10cf |
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| 20:04.21 | psYchotic | hello, I have a question: I built a "package" of another package on the system that I don't wanna uninstall (because of dependency problems), and I thought I could use dpkg-divert to move the system version of some file, and then just install my package, but it still complains about overwriting a file (the one I diverted). Is there any way I can fix this? |
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| 20:05.01 | \amethyst | psYchotic: did you actually move the file (--rename) when you diverted it? |
| 20:05.16 | psYchotic | \amethyst: I did |
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| 20:05.39 | \amethyst | psYchotic: what was the exact dpkg-divert command you used? |
| 20:05.53 | dutchfish | psYchotic, dpkg-repack? |
| 20:06.00 | chops | tralala: Fascinating. Now that I see that the fully debugged version takes up more vertical space than my browser displays at a time and is written by Charles Duffy, I'm even more pleased with my decision to punt and solve an easier problem :-) |
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| 20:06.15 | chops | tralala: See also the Unix Hater's Handbook chapter on "terminal insanity" |
| 20:06.29 | psYchotic | \amethyst: dpkg-divert --divert /usr/bin/renamedfile --rename /usr/bin/originalfile |
| 20:06.57 | \amethyst | psYchotic: you also want --package |
| 20:07.06 | chops | tralala: Not to mention the comment from GrayCat that indicates the possibility of a race condition in the final solution :-) |
| 20:07.06 | \amethyst | psYchotic: you're diverting your new package's file too |
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| 20:07.27 | psYchotic | \amethyst: aah, so --package should be the name of the package I'm about to install |
| 20:07.29 | \amethyst | psYchotic: remove that diversion and add a new one that's the same but adds --package yourpackagename |
| 20:07.34 | \amethyst | psYchotic: yes |
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| 20:07.39 | tralala | chops, well you can only get that much from bash |
| 20:07.47 | chops | tralala: Quite true |
| 20:07.55 | \amethyst | psYchotic: --package foo means package foo's files won't be diverted |
| 20:08.25 | tralala | dutchfish, another option might be famd or a dedicated daemon running as root |
| 20:08.27 | chops | tralala: It seems like it would be mighty handy to have a bash builtin to execute flock() on a file... but I guess that way lies madness. |
| 20:08.43 | dutchfish | tralala, ok, looking into it now |
| 20:08.46 | jelly-home | chops: use the simpler one and put your lockdir in /var/run or some place else that gets cleaned up at boot |
| 20:08.50 | \amethyst | chops: there is flock(1) |
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| 20:08.54 | \amethyst | chops: not a builtin though |
| 20:08.55 | psYchotic | \amethyst: lol, thanks. I should've picked that up from the manpage, but I was kinda confused |
| 20:09.04 | \amethyst | chops: also lockfile |
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| 20:09.25 | jelly-home | also, "lockfile-progs" package. (lockfile is in procmail package) |
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| 20:09.46 | tralala | jelly-home, clean up on reboot is not enough (unless running windows) |
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| 20:09.56 | psYchotic | well, thanks for your help, I'll be on my way (really, thanks =)) |
| 20:09.58 | dutchfish | tralala, ahh ... dnotify |
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| 20:10.06 | jelly-home | tralala: it ensures the script will eventually run again |
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| 20:11.07 | jelly-home | tralala: also, one can check for a stale pid file by looking up that process |
| 20:11.23 | tralala | jelly-home, for some scripts that might be enough, but not as a general solution |
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| 20:11.57 | tralala | jelly-home, we discussed the stale pid solution already |
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| 20:12.24 | jelly-home | tralala: as an addendum to the simple trap '' script or not? |
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| 20:14.10 | jelly-home | tralala: I'd use that one for starters and let users call if the script doesn't do its job for a while. Arguably if noone notices, it doesn't serve a purpose anyway. ;-) |
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| 20:14.54 | tralala | jelly-home, well we ended up finally with the bash faq, that has a rather in-depth coverage of the problem |
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| 20:15.21 | wubrgamer | hey guys, I just got a SunFire v100 and I'm looking to install linux on it, any tips / guides for a first time user of SUN products ? |
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| 20:16.03 | tralala | wubrgamer, the install guide |
| 20:16.07 | jelly-home | tralala: I've suggested pidfile check as an addition to the simple trap using example from that faq. |
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| 20:16.49 | wubrgamer | where is the install guide ? |
| 20:16.58 | stew | !ig |
| 20:16.58 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 20:17.22 | kiiz | is there 3d acceleration under qemu or virtualbox |
| 20:17.35 | wubrgamer | I meant a server specific install guide... |
| 20:17.36 | eth01 | qemu, i think. |
| 20:17.40 | jelly-home | tralala: ie: try mkdir; except: check pid; if pid_is_stale: remove pid and lockdir, and exit. |
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| 20:18.36 | stew | wubrgamer: what kind of things do you need to do for this server that woudlnt' be covered by the install guide? |
| 20:18.42 | wubrgamer | it's headless |
| 20:18.52 | wubrgamer | no video port, and I've never ever touched a sun before |
| 20:19.01 | netgear | anyone have iso's of etch mounted as repositories? |
| 20:19.07 | jelly-home | tralala: you don't even need the trap any more... the next run will clean up the lock. |
| 20:19.17 | wubrgamer | but I want to learn more..and I figure I know ubuntu, but debian has better sparc support I believe... |
| 20:19.38 | wubrgamer | so I want to use debian for it, also, I've never done a headless install before |
| 20:19.54 | XLV | wubrgamer, it must have some serial port, or some ethernet port for monitoring/console/bios |
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| 20:20.12 | h3sp4wn | wubrgamer: You should install over a serial console |
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| 20:20.57 | tralala | jelly-home, I had something similar in mind, but with the pid as part of the dir name. The bash faq has a similar solution, but it seems to me a bit overdesigned |
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| 20:23.13 | wubrgamer | yeah, I don't know how serial works |
| 20:23.44 | wubrgamer | if I plug everything in correctly, how do I connect to it in a linux shell I guess ? |
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| 20:24.05 | wubrgamer | will it give me a shell ? |
| 20:24.07 | jelly-home | tralala: TBH I haven't even read that last one until now. It does just that, right. Except they use a pid-dir instead of a pid file, and don't skip a run. And use CAPSED_VARS. |
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| 20:24.32 | tralala | wubrgamer, you pass a boot time parameter to the installer and you have a serial console. Read the installation guide |
| 20:25.04 | h3sp4wn | wubrgamer: Have a look on sun.com for a guide about using the prom |
| 20:25.12 | wubrgamer | the what ? |
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| 20:26.02 | netgear | tralala, i didnt follow this much but saw headless install and serial connection, meaning one installs from another computer via serial connection? |
| 20:26.14 | netgear | or am i confused? |
| 20:26.15 | h3sp4wn | wubrgamer: Its a sun right ? read how to use the "prom" that is like asking for help with your bios in #debian |
| 20:26.16 | wubrgamer | what ? tjat |
| 20:26.33 | wubrgamer | oh, prom...bios... |
| 20:26.35 | wubrgamer | haha, okay |
| 20:26.38 | tralala | netgear, yes a headless install over a serial console |
| 20:26.45 | derrin_ | Can anyone tell me why I cannot set up a moodledata directory above htcocs on my debian server (using pleask) I suspect I have to turn off magicquotes but don't know how to do that (oops! Noobie!) |
| 20:27.01 | netgear | sounds real interesting |
| 20:27.23 | netgear | i have learnt so much in 3 weeks about linux |
| 20:27.24 | derrin_ | oops! Need to set upo moodledata on debian serbver but can't |
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| 20:27.26 | jelly-home | derrin_: If you use plesk, you'll have to ask their support. |
| 20:28.03 | derrin_ | jelly-home: oh pants! Okay mate! |
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| 20:28.27 | darkizard | hey all |
| 20:28.28 | jelly-home | derrin_: we can tell you where's Debian's canonical place for php.ini, but who knows whether plesk uses debian's php, or their own, or something else |
| 20:28.37 | darkizard | i got a wierd problem |
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| 20:29.12 | netgear | darkizard, sounds weird :) |
| 20:29.24 | darkizard | on my debian i boot it i get half way threw boot and then it says will only mount local filing system then quits |
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| 20:29.43 | darkizard | it just stops there |
| 20:29.47 | derrin_ | jelly-home: there are php.inis all over the bloomin place... |
| 20:29.58 | darkizard | is my hard drive dead |
| 20:29.59 | darkizard | ? |
| 20:30.04 | aixenv | whats the best way to figure out versions of an app that exist in apt-get ? i can do apt-cache search $name but that doenst show version #s (this is for uninsalled software) |
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| 20:30.11 | eroticon | anything else besides netenv? |
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| 20:30.14 | jelly-home | derrin_: uh-oh, in that case I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. |
| 20:30.19 | netgear | apt-get --version |
| 20:30.28 | aixenv | but i dont know the name |
| 20:30.31 | aixenv | i need to search a keyword |
| 20:30.35 | eroticon | I need to find a good ncurses-based thing to configure networking, netenv DOES not work properly. |
| 20:30.35 | aixenv | for example apt-cache search java |
| 20:30.36 | derrin_ | jelly-home: hmm... I took on olesk cos I am a nervous noobie, but it is giving me more trouble than it is worth |
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| 20:31.06 | darkizard | is my hard drive going dead? |
| 20:31.24 | netgear | darkizard, you have a live cd to boot from? |
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| 20:31.32 | darkizard | yeah |
| 20:31.51 | darkizard | i think some were |
| 20:31.52 | amphi | darkizard: run smartctl on the drive if you're worried about it |
| 20:31.54 | jelly-home | derrin_: if you're just a webmaster, setups like plesk can be a good thing. |
| 20:31.59 | jeef_ | is there a simple way to launch screen as a different user? e.g. as user1 execute screen as user2? (perhaps: su user2; screen -S foo) |
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| 20:32.18 | netgear | amphi, he cannot boot |
| 20:32.30 | darkizard | amphi why would it stop on wil only mount local filesystem |
| 20:32.40 | amphi | from a livecd |
| 20:32.46 | darkizard | no off hdd |
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| 20:33.10 | Ace2016 | How do you hide a file in konqueror without putting a . in front of the name? |
| 20:33.12 | jelly-home | jeef_: do you want the whole new screen session run as another user, or just one screen? |
| 20:34.00 | eroticon | hello |
| 20:34.04 | eroticon | what could i use instead of netenv? |
| 20:34.09 | Ace2016 | so you can run one screen as another user? |
| 20:34.35 | Speckal | Ace2016: files that start with . are 'hidden' |
| 20:34.51 | Ace2016 | but i want to hide files that do not start with a . |
| 20:34.52 | aixenv | btw apt-get --version doesnt work |
| 20:34.53 | Speckal | this isn't DOS. there isn't a 'hidden' attribute that you can throw onto any file |
| 20:34.55 | aixenv | that gives the version of apt-get |
| 20:35.06 | jelly-home | Ace2016: you can't |
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| 20:35.10 | dutche- | where can I find the DVD-ISO for Debian amd64? |
| 20:35.11 | Speckal | Ace2016: maybe we could suggest something better if you would tell us what you're up to |
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| 20:35.12 | Ace2016 | :( |
| 20:35.24 | dutche- | the official site hasn't |
| 20:35.32 | stew | Ace2016: why do you want them hidden? perhaps there is a better solution to whatever you are trying to accomplish |
| 20:35.38 | netgear | aixenv, i know i misunderstood you |
| 20:35.41 | \amethyst | Ace2016: create a directory to put the files in, then chmod 700 directory |
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| 20:35.47 | \amethyst | Ace2016: then no one but you can see the files |
| 20:35.55 | aixenv | netgear: how would i go about quickly getting a queried apps version? (that isnt installed) |
| 20:35.57 | jelly-home | or access them |
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| 20:36.23 | jelly-home | aixenv: apt-cache policy packagename to see versions available for installation |
| 20:36.30 | aixenv | ty jelly |
| 20:36.36 | onur | Hi. Can i skip dh_make's confirmation? |
| 20:36.38 | Ace2016 | i swear kubuntu patched konqueror for something like this but i can't find it |
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| 20:37.17 | darkizard | amphi do i have to remount the drives some how |
| 20:37.34 | lurch | does anyone know the group that controls proftp accounts access to files? |
| 20:37.44 | amphi | darkizard: you have a shell? |
| 20:38.18 | jeef_ | jelly-home: i wish, for instance, that i could start a screen session as a different user than my own user, so that a friend of mine could also attach it, it'd be a central source for both of us to use the same screen session under that specific user that isn't either of our own personal users |
| 20:38.20 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: So have a look in the diff.gz for the ubuntu package |
| 20:38.26 | netgear | aixenv, how about IPTraf , a ncurses based network tool |
| 20:38.35 | darkizard | yes |
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| 20:38.39 | darkizard | ssh |
| 20:38.48 | netgear | aixenv, http://debaday.debian.net/2007/08/26/iptraf-a-ncurses-based-lan-monitor/ |
| 20:40.03 | jeef_ | jelly-home: e.g. as user1 launch the screen session on user3 from user1's shell, and later resume user3's screen session if necessary |
| 20:40.21 | eroticon | folks |
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| 20:40.24 | jelly-home | jeef_: well, su - user, then running screen won't work because the tty will still be owned by the first user. You could ssh user3@localhost, then run screen |
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| 20:40.26 | eroticon | what could i use instead of netenv? |
| 20:40.51 | jeef_ | jelly-home: yeah, but there's no way to use some clever trickery to get around that? |
| 20:40.53 | stew | Ace2016: kubuntu's konqueror is not patched |
| 20:41.01 | netgear | eroticon, http://debaday.debian.net/2007/08/26/iptraf-a-ncurses-based-lan-monitor/ |
| 20:41.05 | jeef_ | jelly-home: (without sshing a new session, meaning user3 would have to have a login/password/etc.) |
| 20:41.09 | netgear | might work |
| 20:41.14 | Ace2016 | this is the thing i was after for my konqueror: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/75017 |
| 20:41.40 | jelly-home | jeef_: screen has options to share the same session and ACLs, but I haven't used those personally |
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| 20:42.32 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: how would i apply a patch to my kde? without recompiling everything, just konqueror |
| 20:42.48 | eroticon | dude |
| 20:42.50 | eroticon | thats a LAN monitor. |
| 20:42.51 | jeef_ | jelly-home: hmm, it's just that i want to launch a CLI app within screen on the separate user, so that later any fellow admin can resume that user's session to check on it, etc, but i guess i have to actually physically log in as the user to accomplish that.. |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:43.22 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: Do whatever ubuntu did if you want it. I have no interest in telling you exactly how to do it. But the fact that they did it means its possible |
| 20:43.22 | abrotman | eroticon: to switch networks ? |
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| 20:43.39 | eroticon | abrotman: I need a tool to configure eth0/eth1 from a console (based on ncurses or dialogs of coursE) |
| 20:43.39 | jelly-home | jeef_: user3 has to have a login anyway. You can automate the procedure by using ssh keypairs to log in as user3 |
| 20:43.50 | stew | Ace2016: so you want this feature that ubuntu decided to REMOVE becuase it caused so many problems? |
| 20:44.03 | stew | Ace2016: you want to not be able to view files in / ? |
| 20:44.07 | jeef_ | jelly-home: yeah |
| 20:44.11 | abrotman | eroticon: what's wrong with netenv ? |
| 20:44.17 | eroticon | abrotman: does not work on Ubuntu. |
| 20:44.21 | jeef_ | jelly-home: was hoping i could find something better, not really possible i suppose |
| 20:44.22 | abrotman | then ask #ubuntu |
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| 20:44.52 | jeef_ | jelly-home: thanks for the information, at least i know for sure that the route i was trying for isn't going to work no matter how :) |
| 20:44.56 | jelly-home | jeef_: so then you can do eg. ssh -t user3@localhost screen -c .screenrc-a-custom-one-starting-your-app-only |
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| 20:45.11 | Ace2016 | no no, they wanted stull to be viewable in /, but with .hidden i want to hide stuff on my shared partitions and my portable usb stick, like where open office, opera and their config files are, so i only see my work in linux, and i only see my work + executables in windows by hiding the windows way |
| 20:45.17 | Ace2016 | stuff* |
| 20:45.17 | jeef_ | jelly-home: hmm, that's true |
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| 20:46.09 | joepa | is there a switch to the cp command that tells it to create target directories if they don't already exist? |
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| 20:46.46 | joepa | for example, if I want to do 'cp blarg.txt foo/' and directory foo doesn't exist, I want cp to create foo before copying blarg.txt |
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| 20:47.10 | koolhead17 | hi all |
| 20:47.11 | netgear | mkdir foo && cp blarg.txt /foo |
| 20:47.24 | jelly-home | jeef_: my shell rc files on remote machines check for existing screen and do screen -r automatically. You could make a similar setup for user3 |
| 20:47.32 | piroko | netgear: That's not what he wants to know :-/ |
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| 20:47.45 | jelly-home | jeef_: TIMTOWTDI |
| 20:47.48 | netgear | piroko, wont my approach work? |
| 20:47.53 | piroko | joepa: I don't think there is because there's no way for cp to really know what is a dir and what is not |
| 20:48.01 | mick52 | !list |
| 20:48.01 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to mick52 |
| 20:48.11 | piroko | netgear: Yeah, it will. It's just that he wanted to know if there was a flag to cp to make the dirs for you :) |
| 20:48.31 | netgear | i know, but there is none - i thought id spare on typing alot |
| 20:48.31 | jeef_ | jelly-home: true enough, but the bottom line is that i have to ssh into it regardless, to run it as the specific user |
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| 20:48.45 | piroko | netgear: Well then we are both right ;) |
| 20:48.50 | Ronin | umm mick52 what makes you think were a warez channel |
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| 20:49.13 | piroko | I wasn't sure if he was just trying to solve that problem or wanted to know if the flag existed |
| 20:49.18 | joepa | piroko: good point, I guess I assumed that since mkdir has such a switch (-p) cp ought to as well, but mkdir only works with directories, so that explains the asymmetry |
| 20:49.27 | netgear | piroko, np |
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| 20:49.32 | Pirate_Hunter | hi In /etc/network/interfaces what does network & broadcast mean and what do I type for this? |
| 20:49.43 | jelly-home | jeef_: you can find a way to open a new tty as user3, or chown the current one to user3 to make screen work |
| 20:49.43 | abrotman | Pirate_Hunter: man 5 interfaces |
| 20:49.46 | stew | Pirate_Hunter: omit them |
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| 20:50.03 | piroko | joepa: You got it |
| 20:50.16 | stew | Pirate_Hunter: if you don't know what they are for, you definately don't need them and shouldn't put them in there (the correct defaults will be calculated for you if you omit them) |
| 20:50.23 | NickBurnsSNL | Greetings and salutations to all! |
| 20:50.28 | piroko | joepa: Now if you want to copy an entire directory and its contents, you know you can do cp -a right? |
| 20:50.59 | Pirate_Hunter | abrotman, stew: ive read man interfaces and still dont get what it means by ip to be broadcasted and there is nothing there about network at least i didnt find anything |
| 20:51.17 | Pirate_Hunter | stew: what do you mean by ommit, leave tit blank |
| 20:51.34 | dutchfish | what about cp -R (-r)? |
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| 20:51.46 | joepa | piroko: I actually didn't know about that switch -- thanks! |
| 20:52.05 | NickBurnsSNL | I'm sure this has been hashed about and dismissed, but I can't seem to find the 'official' resolution to a broken sym-link in /etc/rc2.d. It's showing a link : K77ntp-server -> ../init.d/ntp-server - which does not exist. |
| 20:52.06 | piroko | dutchfish: cp -a is the same as cp -dpR |
| 20:52.15 | piroko | joepa: Not a problem |
| 20:52.18 | dutchfish | piroko, yup |
| 20:52.23 | Pirate_Hunter | stew: (-_-)??? |
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| 20:52.50 | piroko | dutchfish: I just don't like messing with the permissions on things when I copy them. personal preference I guess |
| 20:53.09 | dutchfish | piroko, fiar enough |
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| 20:54.10 | Pirate_Hunter | stew: what do you mean by ommit? |
| 20:54.12 | dutchfish | piroko, -c is another nice one for that too |
| 20:54.48 | piroko | dutchfish: That's a new one. What does preserving the context do? |
| 20:54.48 | aFlag | hello, what are those kernel firmware issues on etch? Can someone explain me in a nutshell (or send me a link that will explain me what went on) |
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| 20:54.58 | stew | Pirate_Hunter: i mean do not mention either network or broadcast in the file at all |
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| 20:55.09 | stew | Pirate_Hunter: don't just leave them blank, actually remove them |
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| 20:55.30 | valdyn | NickBurnsSNL: why dont you delete it that same way you created it? |
| 20:55.43 | dutchfish | piroko, -preserve={context,xattr,acl} |
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| 20:55.58 | Pirate_Hunter | stew: ok will try hopefully ill still be able to access the net |
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| 20:56.29 | piroko | dutchfish: Right. I just don't understand what "context" is in that regard |
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| 20:57.34 | valdyn | NickBurnsSNL: rm works - this is certainly no debian file. |
| 20:57.34 | NickBurnsSNL | valdyn: well, I did not create it. It was already there. There is already a script in /etc/init.d/ntp , but not ntp-server. I'm just not sure if anyone has just rm if. |
| 20:57.34 | z0ran | does anybody use e17 on debian etch |
| 20:57.40 | valdyn | NickBurnsSNL: the K77ntp-server was put there by someone, most probably |
| 20:57.42 | wols | !anyone zoran |
| 20:57.46 | jeef_ | jelly-home: to open a new tty as user3 would be the nicest route, that's what i was hoping for, but i suppose the ssh tactic will do fine |
| 20:57.46 | wols | !anyone |
| 20:57.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:57.51 | NickBurnsSNL | valdyn: ah, I see. Ok, well if that's the case, I'll just delete. Cool, thank you. |
| 20:58.04 | dutchfish | !tell piroko about selinux |
| 20:58.12 | z0ran | wols, thanks :) |
| 20:58.29 | ^Timo^ | Hi dutchfish :) |
| 20:58.33 | ^Timo^ | how are ya kerel ? |
| 20:58.46 | ^Timo^ | back at #debian =p |
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| 20:58.55 | dutchfish | ^Timo^, was busy ;) |
| 20:58.55 | piroko | dutchfish: Ah. I've not used selinux. Thank you |
| 20:59.18 | piroko | For whatever reason irssi keeps beeping at me whenever valdyn sends a message :P |
| 20:59.21 | ^Timo^ | ok. |
| 20:59.31 | ^Timo^ | i am still waiting on my new hdd |
| 20:59.41 | ^Timo^ | comes next week i think |
| 20:59.49 | ^Timo^ | 80 gb hitachi |
| 20:59.57 | ^Timo^ | smallest in store |
| 20:59.57 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
| 21:00.20 | ^Timo^ | 40 gb also avalible but is almost the sameprice |
| 21:00.21 | ^Timo^ | so.. |
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| 21:00.55 | ^Timo^ | but how are ya dutchfish ? |
| 21:01.04 | wols | !enter |
| 21:01.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 21:01.36 | wols | ^Timo^: note how #debian is not a chant channel etierh. use #defocus for that |
| 21:01.46 | Nyle | Nyle goes to white castle |
| 21:01.49 | ^Timo^ | wols : sorry. |
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| 21:02.28 | dutchfish | ^Timo^, just keep it ontopic and you will be fine ;) |
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| 21:03.53 | ^Timo^ | dutchfish : ontopic ? |
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| 21:04.08 | dutchfish | !offtopic |
| 21:04.08 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 21:04.37 | pumpkin0 | ^Timo^: talk about debian, not hardware some store got... |
| 21:04.38 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 21:04.45 | tdn | tralala, so I cannot use lirc with my Thinkpad's IR-port? |
| 21:04.48 | ^Timo^ | yeah yeah i got it |
| 21:05.07 | furrywolf | or, talk about whether people think debian will run on the hardware some store got? :P |
| 21:05.15 | furrywolf | blah, too cold to type. bbl. |
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| 21:05.26 | piroko | furrywolf is going to fap |
| 21:05.31 | piroko | :-D |
| 21:05.51 | piroko | Sorry sorry |
| 21:06.13 | tdn | tralala, on http://www.lirc.org/faq.html#howtos I can only see HOWTO on how to make a receiver, but I need to transmit. I guess the camera is the receiver. |
| 21:06.49 | ^Timo^ | well good question |
| 21:07.16 | ^Timo^ | is ibm hitachi 80 gb 8 mb cache running good with linux(debian) ? |
| 21:07.20 | furrywolf | currently 52 degrees in here. this makes my hands cold and not like precise things like typing. going to go work outside, where I get gloves, and don't need to do fine things. :) |
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| 21:07.36 | furrywolf | it's a hard drive. why wouldn't it be good? |
| 21:07.51 | wols | tix64: don't make shit like this up. please |
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| 21:07.55 | ^Timo^ | i don't know your said the words . ;p |
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| 21:09.02 | dutchfish | tdn, http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/pdf/Infrared-HOWTO.pdf |
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| 21:09.11 | piroko | wols: Who is tix64? |
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| 21:09.33 | wols | oops. was for ^Timo^ and his stupid 1337 nick |
| 21:09.34 | tdn | dutchfish, ok. Thanks. But why can't I use my IrDA port? |
| 21:09.36 | vlt | Hello. Is there something like wget's "-c" option in "scp" or do I need "rsync" to continue partially copied files? |
| 21:09.42 | piroko | wols: Ah ok |
| 21:09.42 | wols | !nickometer ^Timo^ |
| 21:09.43 | dpkg | '^Timo^' is 26.000% lame, wols |
| 21:10.00 | dutchfish | tdn, you need a ir-transmitter led |
| 21:10.02 | piroko | Hmm... |
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| 21:10.06 | piroko | !nickometer piroko |
| 21:10.08 | dpkg | 'piroko' is 0.000% lame, piroko |
| 21:10.11 | piroko | YES |
| 21:10.14 | wols | tdn: cause the coding of remotes and of irda is different |
| 21:10.27 | wols | Sharp ASK modus might work if you are lucky but that's about it |
| 21:10.28 | aleksanteri | !nickometer Alam_Debian |
| 21:10.30 | dpkg | 'Alam_Debian' is 0.000% lame, aleksanteri |
| 21:10.31 | aleksanteri | !nickometer aleksanteri |
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| 21:10.33 | dpkg | 'aleksanteri' is 0.000% lame, aleksanteri |
| 21:10.36 | piroko | Oh jesus |
| 21:10.40 | wols | don't abuse the bot folks |
| 21:10.40 | aleksanteri | hmm |
| 21:10.41 | tdn | dutchfish, but does IrDA port not contain both transmitter and receiver? It can both send and receive data to and from other IrDA ports. |
| 21:10.58 | wols | dutchfish: it does |
| 21:11.03 | wols | tdn: ^^ |
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| 21:11.32 | tdn | wols, ? |
| 21:11.53 | wols | irda ports contain both transmitter and receiver |
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| 21:12.30 | dutchfish | wols, tdn, not neccesarely always: http://tuxmobil.org/ir_misc.html |
| 21:12.42 | Alam_Debian | lame? |
| 21:13.40 | ^Timo^ | and thanks wols!!! |
| 21:13.44 | foobar | hi, how do I enable "address bar" in debian nautilus? |
| 21:13.45 | dutchfish | wols, i meant it doesnt always work |
| 21:14.17 | ^Timo^ | why am i in the bot as lamo meter. ;/ |
| 21:14.51 | wols | ^Timo^: cause your nick is shit. those ^...^ are simply evil and stupid |
| 21:15.00 | ^Timo^ | hm. |
| 21:15.00 | \amethyst | !nickometer \amethyst |
| 21:15.02 | dpkg | '\amethyst' is 0.000% lame, \amethyst |
| 21:15.05 | darkizard | can i paste in here what error is on my screen |
| 21:15.09 | \amethyst | it likes backslashes, though :) |
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| 21:15.20 | ^Timo^ | yea i must make up a new nickname though |
| 21:15.21 | tdn | dutchfish, hmm... But how do you know that mine will not work as a remote? |
| 21:15.24 | ^Timo^ | diamond is in use |
| 21:15.31 | ^Timo^ | always used that one before |
| 21:15.55 | dutchfish | tdn, just try, and look in the referal list if yours is there |
| 21:16.27 | Malf | !nickometer Malf |
| 21:16.28 | dpkg | 'Malf' is 0.000% lame, malf |
| 21:16.39 | abrotman | stop with the bot already |
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| 21:16.57 | \amethyst | Here's a hint: if your nick consists entirely of word characters, it's 0% lame |
| 21:16.57 | Timo| | !nickometer Timo| |
| 21:16.58 | dpkg | 'Timo|' is 14.000% lame, timo| |
| 21:17.00 | o2T7 | for upgrading from stable to testing? |
| 21:17.01 | Timo| | ;( |
| 21:17.04 | Timo| | still |
| 21:17.14 | o2T7 | What should i msg to dpkg |
| 21:17.16 | o2T7 | ? |
| 21:17.20 | stew | if you guys want to play with the bots, please go to #debian-bots |
| 21:17.31 | stew | o2T7: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 21:17.38 | o2T7 | thanks, stew |
| 21:17.49 | darkizard | amphi u around |
| 21:17.50 | darkizard | ? |
| 21:18.26 | tdn | dutchfish, do you mean this list: http://www.lirc.org/irda.html? |
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| 21:18.45 | piroko | TimoM: Holy crap. Please stop. You are annoying |
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| 21:18.53 | TimoM | sorry. |
| 21:18.58 | dutchfish | tdn, http://tuxmobil.org/ir_misc.html |
| 21:19.12 | TimoM | thinking what name i could bring up |
| 21:19.18 | piroko | darkizard: Use pastebin to paste long errors |
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| 21:19.26 | piroko | TimoM: That's of no concern to anyone in this room. |
| 21:19.33 | TimoM | i know |
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| 21:19.42 | stew | piroko: if he is annoying you, please use /ignore |
| 21:19.52 | Timotje | i am done |
| 21:19.52 | Timotje | :) |
| 21:20.03 | piroko | stew: Ah yes. Forgot about that. Thank you. But what if he keeps changing names? O_o |
| 21:20.07 | Timotje | sorry piroko |
| 21:20.29 | Timotje | don't boder about me plz |
| 21:20.30 | Timotje | :) |
| 21:21.10 | stew | piroko: /ignore -mask *@*=Admin@@direct-adsl.nl |
| 21:21.46 | plb | I have a server that is not reporting the FQDN as its name when it tries to make a nfs connection. The server expects the FQDN and denies it. If I add the unqualified name into the netgroup it works, but I don't really want it to use the unqualified name, any ideas? |
| 21:21.46 | Speckal | two @ signs? I'll have to look that one up |
| 21:21.46 | stew | its unfair the first he was told that his nick was annoying and then to be told he was annoying for changing it |
| 21:21.46 | stew | Speckal: no, that was a mistake |
| 21:21.50 | Speckal | ah |
| 21:22.00 | piroko | stew: Well I'll give him another chance then :) |
| 21:22.01 | stew | the second one should have been * |
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| 21:22.17 | Speckal | thought it was new syntax |
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| 21:23.18 | stew | and the first @ should have been a !, i mucked it all up... but anyway... |
| 21:23.26 | ricosecada | Hi. Is there a way to force remove of a package? |
| 21:23.30 | Timotje | thank you stew ;( i don't want ppl ignoring me for nothing though. |
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| 21:23.46 | Timotje | ah. nevermind i am going to sleep. am bored an tired |
| 21:23.47 | Timotje | bye all. |
| 21:23.50 | stew | ricosecada: aptitude remove packagename |
| 21:23.59 | stew | ricosecada: or apt-get remove packagename ; or dpkg -r packagename |
| 21:24.09 | tdn | dutchfish, hmm... The list seems very old. No recent hardware is on it. |
| 21:24.57 | ricosecada | stew, thats not forcing it. I am messing a bit with downgrading from testing to stable. |
| 21:25.01 | plb | ok.. how about where is a machine's name stored? |
| 21:25.14 | wols | !hostname |
| 21:25.14 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 21:25.29 | stew | ricosecada: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:25.31 | ksandstr | how soon does the debian BTS typically react with an acknowledgement (or some such) when a bug is submitted? |
| 21:25.48 | stew | ksandstr: 0-30 minutes |
| 21:25.49 | dutchfish | tdn, http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ |
| 21:26.07 | ksandstr | I tried to submit a bug report against libc6 (nasty thing with vfscanf()), but am afraid I might've messed something up... kinda important too |
| 21:26.16 | ksandstr | stew: ah, thanks. I'll fret more in 30 mins then. |
| 21:26.34 | tdn | dutchfish, hmm... Thanks. What is it :) |
| 21:26.40 | stew | ksandstr: 30 minutes is probably much more typical than 0 |
| 21:26.43 | ricosecada | stew, never mind |
| 21:26.48 | tdn | dutchfish, I found this: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ibm/HD23A |
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| 21:27.22 | tdn | dutchfish, but I don't know what to do with it. I need to use this for my camera: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/olympus/RM-1 |
| 21:27.29 | kiiz | how do i get debian networked with windows (ethernet) to use a modem on windows |
| 21:27.30 | Timotje | !nickometer Timotje |
| 21:27.32 | dpkg | 'Timotje' is 0.000% lame, timotje |
| 21:27.34 | Timotje | :) |
| 21:28.17 | GhostlyDeath | How can I set up SSH? |
| 21:28.27 | tdn | GhostlyDeath, apt-get install ssh ? |
| 21:28.30 | wols | kiiz: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 21:29.15 | plb | hrm.. hostnames all look right... maybe it is the nfs server afterall |
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| 21:30.01 | robboplus | guys, i'm having a horrible issue... there are several ip aliases on my box... apache pushes max speed from main ip while transfers on additional ips just suck ass... any clues what can be wrong? routing table? else? |
| 21:30.12 | dutchfish | tdn, http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/lirc.html |
| 21:30.26 | Malf | GhostlyDeath: apt-get install sshd if you want the server rather than the client. Or do you have a specific configuration question? |
| 21:31.06 | kiiz | wols: i have both .but on diffrent systems |
| 21:31.21 | GhostlyDeath | Malf: I want the server, but I was also wondering if I could log in twice on the local PC and remote Palm Pilot |
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| 21:32.02 | Tramp | plb: what does the IP of the client reverse-resolve to on the server? |
| 21:32.08 | Malf | GhostlyDeath: Then you'll want sshd. And that should be fine. |
| 21:32.16 | tdn | dutchfish, how does that help me find out if my laptop can be used as a remote? |
| 21:32.30 | plb | Tramp: it reverse resolves correctly |
| 21:32.43 | tdn | dutchfish, is it not possible to use lirc without compiling the kernel from source? |
| 21:33.15 | plb | Tramp: for some reason when the netgroup file has the unqualified name it works, but not the FQDN |
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| 21:33.50 | dutchfish | tdn, as i said before, i dont know if it will, work. the previous link describes hot to setup. I dont think (not sure) that you have to recompile the kernel, but rather set sup ir |
| 21:34.08 | maddash | how the heck do I stop "xrandr -s 2" from changing my dpi settings?! |
| 21:34.12 | Tramp | plb: so "host <IP>" on the server gives you the fqdn? Weird then. |
| 21:34.25 | tdn | dutchfish, in the HOWTO you linked to, he compiles the kernel. |
| 21:34.30 | plb | Tramp: ok.. I must be going insane... I took the unqualified name out and checked again and it works |
| 21:34.34 | xerophyte | if i add modules to the /etc/modules file how can i load them without rebooting the server |
| 21:34.40 | dutchfish | tdn, the last one yes, the first one not |
| 21:34.53 | plb | Tramp: actually I didn't restart nfs when I took it out let me check that |
| 21:34.59 | tdn | dutchfish, the first one? |
| 21:35.18 | plb | Tramp: yep, I'm insane it works perfectly now |
| 21:35.22 | Tramp | plb: well, I understand that. Insanity and NFS often go hand in hand. |
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| 21:35.30 | distatica | How does one send a message to a specific user on every terminal they are logged in on, without using write, since this expects some kind of return message, and places the ugly EOF at the end of the message?. I have a script that runs as a user account, so I can't use root specific services. |
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| 21:35.49 | plb | Tramp: hehe, yeah well thanks for trying |
| 21:35.57 | Tramp | np |
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| 21:36.31 | stew | distatica: "wall <<< your message"echo youe message here | wall" |
| 21:36.44 | stew | err, wtf is going on with my terminal |
| 21:36.57 | stew | distatica: "wall <<< your message here" |
| 21:37.03 | cloakable | o.o |
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| 21:37.58 | dutchfish | tdn, http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/pdf/Infrared-HOWTO.pdf |
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| 21:38.12 | distatica | stew: That is for all logged in users, is it not? Looking at the man wall, I can't see a way to do it for a specific user. |
| 21:38.31 | stew | distatica: oh, i misread what you were asking then. |
| 21:38.31 | distatica | although it would otherwise fit my needs perfectly. |
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| 21:39.46 | abrotman | distatica: write |
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| 21:40.02 | abrotman | or echo it to all their ttys |
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| 21:40.10 | Nenillo | hi |
| 21:40.34 | Nenillo | how can I set the resolver priority so it search on the hosts files firts and then DNS? |
| 21:41.13 | abrotman | /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 21:41.27 | rwp | Searching files first in /etc/nsswitch.conf should be the default. |
| 21:41.43 | abrotman | mind depend on the type of lookup |
| 21:41.47 | abrotman | and also the tool he is using |
| 21:41.57 | rwp | hosts: files dns |
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| 21:42.13 | abrotman | and the tool |
| 21:42.54 | Nenillo | well, that's what I needed rwp |
| 21:42.55 | Nenillo | thanks |
| 21:43.06 | rwp | Enjoy! |
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| 21:44.32 | Malf | .clear |
| 21:44.39 | Malf | I rule.. |
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| 21:44.55 | distatica | abrotman: I mentioned write already, problem being the 'EOF', and when write is sent, it takes over the users input because it's like chat, that's no good for me. I don't want to be in the middle of typing something on the command line, and half the line goes into write. As for echoing to all tty's, how do I determine a list of all tty's a user is logged in on? Without parsing the output of 'who' |
| 21:45.23 | ksandstr | ah, got the bts ack. didn't mess up quite so badly it seems. |
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| 21:46.35 | distatica | I would rather not have to take the who output and loop through it checking for the username that I want, seems kind of hacky, certainly there's a mechanism to send a message to a user on all terminals they are on... |
| 21:46.58 | amphi | darkizard: I am now |
| 21:47.15 | foobar | I am doing data migration, besides data in passwd shadow and groups, shall I move those files in /etc/pam.d as well? |
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| 21:50.00 | Tramp | distatica: I doubt that ther is "certainly" a mechanism, which fulfills your exact, rather complicated requirements. There is "write" which apparently doesn't. So you may well have to roll your own solution. |
| 21:51.20 | distatica | Ok, I will look around. Thank you. |
| 21:51.53 | Maulkin | distatica: ls -l /dev/tty* | awk '/maulkin/{print $9};' |
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| 21:52.28 | Tramp | Maulkin: Don't forget /dev/pts/* ... |
| 21:52.42 | Maulkin | pts then :P |
| 21:52.50 | Tramp | and maybe he wants serial consoles too ... |
| 21:52.57 | Maulkin | Whatever you want. I don't see what the problem with 'who' is though |
| 21:53.15 | Maulkin | Minf you, I don't see what the problem with talk/ytalk is :P |
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| 21:54.48 | darkizard | i think my hdd might be fired |
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| 21:55.21 | distatica | Maulkin: Not sure about ytalk, but talk says it does not accept a pipe or file as input. |
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| 21:57.28 | distatica | And I can loop through 'who' no problem, I just said it seemed like a hack for something that should be so simple, sending a message to all users on all terminals was implimented, but not sending a message ot specific users on all terminals? I thought for sure there would be something for that. |
| 21:58.19 | \amethyst | distatica: write shouldn't be taking over input from the remote user |
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| 21:58.19 | GhostlyDeath | there any terminal IRC clients? |
| 21:58.22 | Maulkin | GhostlyDeath: yes. |
| 21:58.24 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: all kinds |
| 21:58.39 | GhostlyDeath | any good ones? |
| 21:59.10 | Maulkin | Yup |
| 21:59.13 | distatica | \amethyst: I just tested that, and you're right, but it does strip the username@host:~$ part. |
| 21:59.22 | Ronin | GhostlyDeath: all kinds |
| 21:59.22 | mavhc | no, god made the GUI for a reason |
| 21:59.23 | Maulkin | !tell GhostlyDeath about search |
| 21:59.30 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: irssi is especially popular |
| 21:59.34 | foobar | shall I move files in /etc/pam.d if I want to migrate data to a new server? |
| 21:59.44 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: as is bitchx, among a different subset of users |
| 22:00.01 | \amethyst | foobar: do you want to migrate the authentication setup? |
| 22:00.04 | Ronin | then theres scrollz, not sure if its still being devd though |
| 22:00.08 | robboplus | is it normal that i don't see RX packets and TX packets in ifconfig for the ip alias that i just created? |
| 22:00.37 | \amethyst | robboplus: AFAIK they all get credited to the device's main interface |
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| 22:00.53 | robboplus | amethyst hm. |
| 22:00.59 | foobar | \amethyst: I want to migrate all the user data, including passwd/shadow |
| 22:01.45 | foobar | \amethyst: I've done the passwd/testing, but I'm not sure if I need to look at /etc/pam.d |
| 22:01.47 | \amethyst | foobar: if you haven't made any changes in /etc/pam.d there's probably no need to migrate it |
| 22:01.50 | robboplus | amethyst: and would you happen to know about issues with network performance over ip aliases? i really don't know how to find out what is causing speeds on those to suck hard while main ip gives perfect transfers (http for instance) |
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| 22:02.01 | karsten | foobar: Any reason you're not simply tarring / rsyncing the old box to the new storage, in quiesced stated? |
| 22:02.01 | \amethyst | robboplus: no clue, sorry |
| 22:02.28 | Ronin | however foobar if in doubt back it up |
| 22:03.28 | foobar | karsten: the old server was setup seven years ago, and the new server will run debian etch |
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| 22:04.30 | foobar | karsten: erm, of course I've rsynced those important one, like /home, blah blah |
| 22:05.30 | foobar | karsten: anyway I think I need some manual hack for /etc since the configurations might be different |
| 22:05.33 | Tramp | robboplus: I would start analyzing the traffic with tcpdump, also including icmp and layer2 headers. |
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| 22:08.34 | foobar | erm, some articles claim that using LDAP is easier to deal with than passwd/shadow when migrating data to a new server. |
| 22:09.10 | abrotman | distatica: you can hit ctrl-l to clear a term |
| 22:09.35 | foobar | does linux use some kind of pam plugin in the case of LDAP for user authentication? |
| 22:10.03 | sepski | foobar, yes both pam and nss plugins are available for ldap |
| 22:10.13 | distatica | abrotman: was that meant for someone else? Else, I'm confused. |
| 22:10.15 | \amethyst | foobar: yes, libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap |
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| 22:11.43 | distatica | As for my issue I'm just trying to make a fake mail spool, and I'm going to have bash check that spool for new messages, since the script I'm writing is for new email that will work fine. |
| 22:11.45 | lurch | how do you add a user to a group you create? |
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| 22:12.23 | jonez | lurch: typically chgrp |
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| 22:12.31 | foobar | sepski: shall I go for ldap if there are a lot of servers? |
| 22:12.35 | jonez | lurch: read the docs about it ("man chgrp") |
| 22:12.36 | sepski | lurch, adduser user group |
| 22:12.36 | distatica | lurch: usermod -a -G group username |
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| 22:12.40 | Ace2016 | Where do i install fonts if i want them to have a system wide effect? |
| 22:12.49 | lurch | thanks |
| 22:12.51 | jonez | er.. they are right.. chgrp is for files. I'll shut up. |
| 22:13.08 | distatica | lurch: will maintain their original groups with -a |
| 22:13.28 | lurch | distatica: thanks was wondering about that |
| 22:13.51 | sepski | foobar, depends on your needs. but some sort of central auth/namespace is nice,. personaly i use mysql but dont know the performance differences |
| 22:14.23 | foobar | sepksi: u mean mysql as ldap backend instead of bdb? |
| 22:14.33 | robboplus | Tramp thank you... trying my best but it doesn't seem to help.. |
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| 22:15.06 | brett | hey is there an easy way to get a list of the last N packages updated on a system? |
| 22:15.32 | petemc | brett: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:15.45 | lurch | distatica: so if i make a group add two users to it that i want to be able to have rwx to /var/www do i make them the owner and then that wont effect the access level of the www-data |
| 22:16.04 | valdyn | Ace2016: probably /usr/local/share/fonts/ |
| 22:16.22 | brett | petemc: I don't have that logfile? |
| 22:16.27 | foobar | brett: tail -n <number_of_lines> /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:16.50 | petemc | brett: oh, what version of debian do you run? |
| 22:17.05 | brett | we're on sarge. |
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| 22:17.12 | brett | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:17.13 | brett | 3.1 |
| 22:17.13 | petemc | sarge doesnt have it |
| 22:17.19 | brett | hrm so there's no way? |
| 22:17.32 | petemc | nothing obvious |
| 22:17.37 | brett | bleh |
| 22:17.57 | Ace2016 | valdyn: ok i coppied them, but conky still can't find them, so i assume i have to update the font cache or something, how do i do that? |
| 22:18.05 | petemc | sarge is nearing the end of its support life |
| 22:18.08 | ricosecada | Hi. I am experiencing a lot of segmentation faults on a desktop pc with xine, mplayer, xmms and others. I am running stable, and I have run a memtest with no errors. What could be causing this? |
| 22:18.13 | distatica | lurch: I'm still very learning the file permissions of *nix, I will let someone else field that question. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking though. |
| 22:18.16 | Ace2016 | i tried fc-cache, it had no effect |
| 22:18.36 | lurch | distatica: thx np |
| 22:18.40 | \amethyst | brett: you could look for the most recent .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 22:19.23 | Ace2016 | fc-list shows the fonts that i need to use, strange how conky doesn't find them |
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| 22:19.55 | lurch | how do i give a group just access to rwx to all the files/folders in a dir, i want to add 2 users this right to be able to ftp to /var/www withought changing the access level of the default www-data group |
| 22:20.17 | lurch | or is that not the best secure way to give ftp acess to that folder? |
| 22:20.18 | \amethyst | lurch: you need ACLs for that |
| 22:20.23 | asg | lurch: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 22:20.54 | \amethyst | setfacl -m g:groupname:rwx directory |
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| 22:21.22 | \amethyst | probably want to do that recursively, and also make that the default ACL for the directory (so new files inherit it) |
| 22:22.02 | lurch | ok |
| 22:22.08 | empath- | Jonas |
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| 22:23.53 | empath- | Jonas |
| 22:24.04 | lurch | do you need to install something for acl because i cant use the setfacl? |
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| 22:24.35 | abrotman | distatica: you were talking about it being in the middle of your stuff when you 'write' someone |
| 22:24.38 | empath- | Jonas |
| 22:24.47 | distatica | abrotman: yessir. |
| 22:25.24 | distatica | but ctrl+l wouldn't help in that case.. |
| 22:25.57 | distatica | well, it does, but I mean it's a harsh thing to impose on a user. |
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| 22:26.09 | abrotman | distatica: so is writing to their terminal :) |
| 22:26.28 | distatica | That's why I would like ot do it unobtrusively like bash's mail check. |
| 22:26.36 | Decepticon | whats the default for "full name" Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default |
| 22:26.41 | Decepticon | when you do adduser |
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| 22:27.36 | brett | bleh dpkg messed up the permissions on libnss-ldap.conf |
| 22:27.36 | distatica | abrotman: unforunately I'm not sure where to look for information on how the mail spool is supposed ot look.. heh. |
| 22:28.15 | abrotman | distatica: you'd have to look at how biff does it |
| 22:29.52 | lurch | ok so i got acl working but when i try to change permission on a folder it says operation not supported? |
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| 22:32.01 | distatica | abrotman: iirc, biff actually checks the mail spool, it doesn't create it, something like fetchmail would be what I'm after... but I'm not sure if I can wade through c, just for that. I would hope somewhere is a document on the mail spool format, still looking for it though. |
| 22:32.44 | Decepticon | how do i determine if a new user i added has the ability to make, make install and compile stuff? |
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| 22:34.01 | Tramp | Decepticon: login as the new user and test |
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| 22:36.33 | chrisp | hi folks. how to get a fingerprint of a rsa key? |
| 22:36.36 | Decepticon | so anyone not in the sudoers file cannot compile stuff? |
| 22:36.50 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 22:37.03 | jonez | no.. if you are not in the sudoers file you prolly can't *install* what you built. but you should be able to compile |
| 22:37.09 | Ace2016 | how do i start the x font system? it seems conky can't find fonts |
| 22:37.20 | Maulkin | (by install, it means install globally) |
| 22:37.39 | Ace2016 | i even compiled it myself |
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| 22:38.51 | Maulkin | If you can compile stuff, you can run it. Either ensure that the compiler isn't executeable by the user, or don't install it in the first place |
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| 22:38.54 | Tramp | chrisp: man ssh-keygen (if you talk about ssh) |
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| 22:39.11 | dhe | is there any problem about make /var/tmp as symlink to /tmp which is noexec,nodev,nosuid ? |
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| 22:39.52 | asg | dhe: /var/tmp is used for temp files preserved over a reboot, /tmp isn't. If this isn't a problem for you, you can symlink the one to the other. |
| 22:40.37 | abrotman | distatica: i meant that it dioesn't bother you while you're in an application |
| 22:41.12 | abrotman | asg: play with SQL for me! |
| 22:41.37 | dnkn | has anyone else started having a problem with update-grub and xen kernels? update-grub just doesnt add xen kernels to the menu.lst that is generates. grub itself doesnt look to have been updated recently so im at a loss to explain it. |
| 22:41.38 | dhe | asg: ok thanks |
| 22:41.43 | asg | abrotman: SELECT * FROM abrotrequests WHERE asg says 'no' |
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| 22:42.57 | dnkn | non-xen kernels seem to work fine of course |
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| 22:45.12 | chrisp | Tramp, thx |
| 22:45.16 | distatica | abrotman: I understand, but things like this: http://screens.melknight.net/notwanted.jpg are simply not cool. That would drive me nuts personally. |
| 22:46.21 | asg | distatica: you could always run 'mesg n' |
| 22:47.33 | distatica | asg: I asked the question a long time ago, you're just catching the tail end of the conversation. The idea was to send a message to all the terminals a user is logged onto, not to disable that. |
| 22:48.14 | asg | distatica: wall(1) generally does that, unless I'm mistunderstanding. |
| 22:48.36 | asg | distatica: it requires rootly privs to override users with 'mesg n' though. |
| 22:49.04 | distatica | I'm just saying that anything that actually interrupts a program, or command line in any way, is not really wanted. So I'm trying to emulate a mail spool (do I even have the right words here?) so that bash can do it's normal mail checking and alert that way. |
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| 22:49.29 | distatica | wall sends to all users, not specific users, also, wall interrupts nano and other applications. |
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| 22:49.48 | doudou | hi, how do i stop iceweasel askink favicon whithout i ask it to connect site? |
| 22:50.02 | amphi | distatica: ctrl-l will clear that junk in any ncurses-based program |
| 22:50.37 | good_dana | what version of the debian installer do i need to get to install on a SATA raid? |
| 22:51.07 | pobega | good_dana: I believe anything post-Sarge will work, go >=4.0 |
| 22:51.08 | distatica | amphi: sure, but that's not a great solution. Format reinstall will fix any windows machine, but does it make it a viable alternative to stability? |
| 22:51.31 | distatica | Forcing a user to always know the ctrl+l shortcut, and push it whenever they get that message, is going to be harder than finding a better way to do it. |
| 22:51.37 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 22:51.54 | amphi | distatica: wtf? you get the message, and ctrl-l to restore the display - wtf does that have do with 'Format reinstall will fix any windows machine' ? |
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| 22:52.39 | distatica | amphi: nothing, i'm saying that you can always force a user to do something to fix your problems, that's my comparison to windows. But it's not a good solution, that's all I'm saying. |
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| 22:53.22 | amphi | distatica: well then don't have your thing spew garbage over their display |
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| 22:53.57 | stew | distatica: so you are looking for a way to send a message to a users terminal that would do it in a way that nano was aware of the incoming message? |
| 22:53.58 | distatica | amphi: that's precisely what I'm trying to do. ... |
| 22:54.35 | amphi | distatica: what's making the message? logger or some such? |
| 22:55.12 | stew | distatica: becuase either its going to make an ncurses application look strange until the user hits ctrl-l, OR the application is going to have to be aware of the message |
| 22:55.33 | distatica | stew: no, and frankly this is getting frustrating explaining myself to people. You know how bash alerts to new mail? I'm trying ot do the same thing, it doesn't interrupt your programs, it doesn't make you press any keys, it does nothing but alert you. That's why I've stopped trying to find a service that does this, and am looking at the mail spool concept. |
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| 22:55.44 | distatica | amphi: it's an imap mail checker. |
| 22:56.02 | stew | distatica: sorry to frustrate you. i'll just bow out |
| 22:56.04 | distatica | it currently displays new messages using pyosd, but I would like it to do so via console messages too. |
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| 22:56.19 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 22:56.29 | abrotman | distatica: that's why i said to look at biff |
| 22:56.40 | distatica | stew: naw, sorry to bitch, heh. I'm just getting annoyed because it seems like it would be simple. |
| 22:56.49 | amphi | distatica: w |
| 22:56.56 | abrotman | distatica: biff is the little silly thing that tells you when you have mail |
| 22:56.58 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 22:57.06 | distatica | abrotman: I'm not sure what about biff I'm supposed ot look at? |
| 22:57.10 | stew | distatica: if you want something like the notification that a user gets when they get new mail, why not just send them mail |
| 22:57.12 | amphi | distatica: er, I think I misunderstood - you _want_ something like your screenshot showed? |
| 22:57.20 | distatica | Yeah, I mentioned that before, it checks the mail spool, it doesn't create it, iirc. |
| 22:57.24 | abrotman | distatica: the part where it doesn't bother you unless you're sitting at the prompt :) |
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| 22:57.58 | abrotman | distatica: your real problem is that you use nano |
| 22:58.08 | distatica | stew: ..... I don't know. heh. I can't believe after all this that never occured to me. |
| 22:58.12 | Paltas | haha :) |
| 22:58.15 | distatica | haha :) |
| 22:58.17 | eth01 | pico? :P |
| 22:58.20 | doudou | i suspect firefox doing some ask to network without asking or let me know, why? |
| 22:58.23 | distatica | I use vi as well. |
| 22:58.27 | distatica | vim* |
| 22:58.46 | amphi | distatica: perhaps your thing could use talk[d]? |
| 22:58.47 | eth01 | whats the difference between nano and pico? |
| 22:58.49 | eth01 | *none* lol |
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| 22:59.02 | amphi | eth01: the licence |
| 22:59.07 | ricosecada | Is it not possible to get nvidia drivers to work with stable? |
| 22:59.10 | stew | eth01: pico is a free clone of nano which is non-free |
| 22:59.11 | distatica | amphi: I looked into that when it was suggested, I got the message it needs to come from a tty, not a pipe or file. |
| 22:59.35 | Paltas | one difference: nano is not made by WU and therefore no crappy license.. :) |
| 22:59.39 | ricosecada | the debian way I mean |
| 22:59.42 | amphi | distatica: ah |
| 22:59.52 | Gnurdux | nano is a clone of pico |
| 23:00.09 | Paltas | anyway alpine is distributed by the apache license, and I guess it's the pine code just beeing "relicensed" |
| 23:00.13 | Gnurdux | pico can be redistributed in a closed source version |
| 23:00.17 | amphi | stew: contrariwise shurely ;) |
| 23:00.17 | Gnurdux | so they wrote nano |
| 23:00.18 | stew | eth01: oh right, i got it backwards, nano is the free one |
| 23:00.20 | stew | yes |
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| 23:00.53 | SpeedyG | stew: would be kinda weird if the non-free version of the two comes by default in debian innit? :) |
| 23:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: the other way around... nano's the free clone of pico... |
| 23:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 23:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late |
| 23:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit |
| 23:01.05 | mavhc | can either one do soft line wrapping? |
| 23:01.05 | doudou | about:config search favicon change value, thanks |
| 23:01.43 | Paltas | nano is allmost obsolete: |
| 23:01.48 | Paltas | from alpine-pico |
| 23:01.49 | Paltas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.49 | Paltas | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.57 | ricosecada | anyone - stable with nvidia? |
| 23:04.36 | SpeedyG | ricosecada: what about it? |
| 23:05.19 | ricosecada | SpeedyG, I am getting no kernel-headers-2.6.22-2-686 when I try to install nvidia drivers for stable. |
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| 23:05.42 | good_dana | pobega: i'm trying to use debian etch, and started the isntaller using install dmraid=true but when i go to configure my disks it lists all 8 |
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| 23:06.11 | SpeedyG | ricosecada: maybe thats because 2.6.22 isnt a stable kernel? |
| 23:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds reasonable :) |
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| 23:07.13 | Paltas | 2.6.22 can be found in backports if you need it. |
| 23:07.28 | ricosecada | SpeedyG, it is running on a downgraded machine so it sounds just about right :-) |
| 23:07.56 | ricosecada | SpeedyG, what is the latest stable kernel? |
| 23:08.08 | gordonjcp | hi |
| 23:08.10 | SpeedyG | 2.6.18-5 iirc |
| 23:08.22 | gordonjcp | how can I get sensible spamassassin rules in Debian Etch? |
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| 23:08.38 | gordonjcp | as it is, spamassassin isn't tagging *any* spam at all |
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| 23:11.58 | ricosecada | SpeedyG, when I use dpkg -l I get the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel.. but when I use uname -r I get the 2.6.22 version |
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| 23:12.52 | ctp | hi folks. how to allow ssh client to accept rsa keys automatically without any confirmation? |
| 23:13.32 | spacix | How much time would you people count for an average person to learn for taking the LPI Level 1 Exam 101? |
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| 23:13.41 | epsilon | generate a new keypair without password |
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| 23:14.15 | epsilon | look closer look at ssh-keygen, ssh-copy-id |
| 23:14.23 | epsilon | *take a |
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| 23:16.40 | Decepticon | is it safe to rm /var/mail/decepticon |
| 23:16.41 | Skull_boY | Warning: The GTK (GUI) frontend will not be built. |
| 23:16.49 | Decepticon | or do i have to do somethign special |
| 23:17.09 | wols | Decepticon: safe |
| 23:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Decepticon: try it :) |
| 23:17.41 | ctp | epsilon, hm, the keys are not secured by a passphrase, but the clients asks me always to accept the server key connecting first time to the server |
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| 23:18.08 | gordonjcp | is there perhaps a better spam filter in Debian? Is spamassassin deprecated or something? |
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| 23:19.06 | epsilon | ctp: did you put the one part of the keypair to the server? |
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| 23:19.26 | stew | ctp: "man ssh_config" look for StrictHostKeyChecking |
| 23:19.34 | stew | ctp: you can also set it as a command line parameter |
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| 23:20.19 | ctp | stew, ah, ok. mni thx |
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| 23:20.45 | Devrethman | Is there a command to rerun the base configurator for apt? |
| 23:21.17 | Devrethman | cause at the time I installed, the network wasn't working, but now I fixed it, and I'm lazy and I don't feel like adding network mirrors to sources.list manually |
| 23:21.23 | wols | Decepticon: you sources.list repo selection? |
| 23:21.39 | esp177 | is it anything special i have to put in fstab for share mounted disks with nfs (uuid=xxxx /mnt/sdb1 ext3 defaults 0 0)? |
| 23:21.39 | Decepticon | im sorry what |
| 23:23.01 | esp177 | i can see the mnt folder when mounting that nfs, but not the contents of the mounted disk, and they are mounted |
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| 23:27.16 | Devrethman | Is there some nifty way to add network repos to sources.list without doing it in the installer? |
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| 23:28.25 | piroko | Devrethman: Edit the sources.list file? Or use synaptic |
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| 23:28.58 | bucky | apt-spy ? |
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| 23:29.54 | maddash | is it just me, or is fglrx sucking up more and more pmem with each new release? |
| 23:30.14 | Devrethman | I don't have synaptic, but there's got to be an easier way than editing it directly |
| 23:30.43 | esp177 | echo text > file |
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| 23:31.37 | Devrethman | esp: I know that, what I want it something like in the installer where it gives me a list and it adds them to the file, cause if I do is manually, I'll mistype something and spend 2 hours trying to figure out why it's not working |
| 23:32.09 | gordonjcp | any suggestions for getting spamassassin in Etch to actually tag spam? |
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| 23:33.07 | gordonjcp | the highest spam score I've seen so far was 0.15, from an email that mostly consisted of the words "shlong" and "macro" repeated over and over, and a bunch of urls that were variants on "buy-viagra-best-price.com" |
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| 23:38.39 | unstable_geek | hi gang. got a sparc question. is this the right place? |
| 23:38.58 | Bracki | Hm, how can I build python-ldap for python2.5 on etch? |
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| 23:40.22 | maddash | what kind of idiot replaces /usr/bin/Terminal with a fucking ssh.sh script? |
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| 23:41.46 | pickcoder | maddash: a lazy and unknowledgable one? |
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| 23:43.58 | esp177 | maddash: i know many people that have no idea what the terminal is used for, and think it is like magic if someone get it to work. |
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| 23:44.35 | creature | Hello. I'm trying to set up lircd on my Debian box, only I can't. I'm running "irrecord -d /dev/input/event5 -H dev/input /tmp/lircd.conf" but it's telling me "irrecord: gap not found, can't continue". If anyone has any pointers, I'd appreciate it. |
| 23:44.42 | maddash | Terminal.app was removed and relinked to ssh.sh. what tardness. |
| 23:45.00 | tarzeau | maddash: huh? |
| 23:45.07 | tarzeau | maddash: Terminal.app or Terminal? |
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| 23:46.13 | maddash | tarzeau: Terminal.app. every fucking mac here in this school has no terminal. I'm just ranting at the idiocy of it all. |
| 23:46.14 | tarzeau | maddash: ah not the debian package... |
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| 23:48.05 | doughe | i would like to check if the package linux-image-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_arm.deb should exist or not. how can i find this out? |
| 23:48.20 | tarzeau | doughe: check w/ packages.debian.org |
| 23:48.57 | esp177 | doughe: u use nslu2? |
| 23:49.15 | doughe | trying to |
| 23:49.30 | doughe | it is trying to grab that package during the install process. |
| 23:49.35 | doughe | and gets a 404 |
| 23:49.46 | doughe | so i want to check if it is the installer or the repository |
| 23:50.22 | esp177 | did u do a apt-get update? |
| 23:50.50 | doughe | the only apt apps available are : apt-install apt-setup apt-setup-verify |
| 23:51.56 | esp177 | hmm...been so long sins i first installed deb on mine.....now i just upgrade once in a while.... |
| 23:52.29 | doughe | hopefully i will be able to say that one day... |
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| 23:52.55 | doughe | does apt work the same on the nslu and it would a desktop? |
| 23:53.02 | doughe | like apt-get install etc |
| 23:53.07 | eth01 | yep |
| 23:53.18 | gordonjcp | I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that spamassassin in Etch is a hoax |
| 23:53.19 | esp177 | but i dont remembering having any problems with the install, and i am really sattisfied with it |
| 23:53.43 | gordonjcp | is it actually possible to use Spamassassin in Debian from the apt repos, or do I need to just install from source? |
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| 23:53.56 | doughe | apparently the most recent version of debian broke the arm version installer |
| 23:54.37 | esp177 | how old is the newest version? |
| 23:54.51 | doughe | it halts for me for some reason at the kernel. and i think it is the fact that it cannot download the package |
| 23:54.55 | doughe | urm |
| 23:55.12 | gordonjcp | should I file a bug against spamassassin? |
| 23:55.19 | doughe | 2007-04-08 |
| 23:55.30 | doughe | i believe |
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| 23:57.04 | esp177 | odd, |
| 23:58.06 | esp177 | if u brows manually to the deb repository, can u then see the package? |
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| 23:59.08 | doughe | no |
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| 23:59.18 | doughe | apparently there is a bug raised in teh mailing lists |
