| 00:00.00 | DawnLight | obnauticus: i was told to use qemu-launcher. so far so good but haven't gotten to the networking part yet. perhaps it could help ya |
| 00:00.52 | hatter | hmmm, maybe this is OT for #debian |
| 00:01.56 | fas3r | Wyzard: just i need to add 192.168.4.10 on the ap for the gateway |
| 00:02.08 | Wyzard | fas3r: afaik, yes |
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| 00:02.17 | Wyzard | fas3r: 192.168.2.x via gateway 192.168.4.10 |
| 00:02.47 | mikes | hello all did anyone have a similar problem? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=450894 |
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| 00:03.15 | streuner_ | !dbugs 450894 |
| 00:03.19 | dpkg | #450894:N[xserver-xorg] problem installing xserver-xorg in unstable; Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:57:01 UTC |
| 00:03.37 | streuner_ | mikes: /msg dpkg sid faq ;-) |
| 00:04.39 | Wyzard | fas3r: I'm curious what your network layout is like, btw, that involves putting a wireless AP on a different subnet and configuring a server to route for it |
| 00:04.52 | fas3r | Wyzard: it's cisco ap |
| 00:05.13 | fas3r | aironet 1231G |
| 00:05.21 | Wyzard | Why does it need its own subnet though? |
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| 00:05.55 | fas3r | because i haven't hub |
| 00:06.30 | Wyzard | fas3r: You could configure the machine with two NICs to act as a bridge instead |
| 00:06.54 | Wyzard | fas3r: That'd forward traffic on the Ethernet level, basically using the two NICs as a 2-port switch |
| 00:07.02 | Wyzard | fas3r: or you could just buy a switch; they aren't very expensive |
| 00:07.12 | fas3r | yes i know |
| 00:07.23 | fas3r | but i don't understand yesterday it work .. :) |
| 00:07.40 | fas3r | i have just reboot my second server ^^ |
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| 00:09.53 | fas3r | i'don't need to forward with iptables who from 192.168.2.x to 192.168.4.x on the second server ? |
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| 00:10.49 | Wyzard | fas3r: iptables doesn't do routing |
| 00:11.41 | fas3r | because on the ap i have test to ping 192.168.2.1 and it's the response who are block on the second server |
| 00:11.43 | Wyzard | fas3r: Having the appropriate entries in the routing table, and having forwarding enabled, is all you need |
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| 00:14.08 | DawnLight | qemu is going terribly slow :( |
| 00:14.37 | themill | DawnLight: are you using kqemu or kvm? |
| 00:14.59 | DawnLight | themill: i don't even know what those are |
| 00:15.37 | fas3r | Wyzard: haa the metric .. |
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| 00:17.09 | themill | DawnLight: look at the kqemu-modules-* packages if you are emulating x86 on x86 for example. They give a good speed increase. |
| 00:17.37 | themill | DawnLight: If you have a quite new processor, look at the kvm packages as they will be even faster again as more is done in hardware. |
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| 00:18.19 | tarzeau | someone feels like trying www.brlcad.org debian packages? |
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| 00:19.55 | streuner_ | tarzeau: at this time awake? :-) |
| 00:20.11 | themill | night all! |
| 00:20.18 | DawnLight | night |
| 00:21.00 | Wyzard | fas3r: Last I heard, the metric is meaningless in Linux -- you can set it, but it doesn't actually do anything |
| 00:21.08 | Wyzard | fas3r: It was several years ago that I heard that, though, so it might not be true anymore |
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| 00:21.11 | tarzeau | streuner_: i catched the cold, with a closed nose/ears, hard to sleep :( |
| 00:21.31 | tarzeau | streuner_: and i've tested all new levels of www.sauerbraten.org too already |
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| 00:21.48 | tarzeau | streuner_: why don't you go sleep? |
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| 00:22.27 | tarzeau | streuner_: the package needs some more work though it works. you don't want to design and build panzers or something? it's great CAD software |
| 00:22.37 | streuner_ | tarzeau: its fun actually, as long as its fun i dont go to bed |
| 00:23.05 | tarzeau | i like kiwi and lemon btw, pity don't have any here (no kiwi at least), i already ate tons of tangerines |
| 00:23.27 | streuner_ | good enough |
| 00:23.54 | streuner_ | fresh air and sauna |
| 00:23.57 | streuner_ | helps |
| 00:24.00 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Some of the textures in sauerbraten look like they're taken from Quake 2... am I mistaken? |
| 00:24.09 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Those would be copyrighted non-free textures |
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| 00:24.54 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i played q2 too, but i didn't see exact same ones, can you prove it? unmass is a tool to extract pak/wads |
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| 00:25.52 | AwAkE | BOA NOITE ! |
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| 00:26.17 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I haven't done side-by-side comparisons (I'm not even sure where my copy of Q2 is anymore) but almost all the textures in the first screenshot on sauerbraten.org look like ones I remember from Q2 |
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| 00:27.02 | petriborg | simple question - if I run "fsck -t ext3 /dev/sda1" and it only reports that it is "clean" does that mean that the drive is uncorrupted? |
| 00:27.19 | petriborg | this is of course on an unmounted drive - i'm on a livecd atm |
| 00:27.21 | Wyzard | petriborg: No, that just means it skipped the check because the filesystem isn't flagged as needing to be checked |
| 00:27.25 | Wyzard | petriborg: use -f |
| 00:27.30 | petriborg | thx wyzard |
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| 00:28.02 | Sivik | how do i close a smtp relay |
| 00:28.06 | tarzeau | Wyzard: similar look.. oh well |
| 00:28.21 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i doubt they were ripped. q2 run at much lower resolutions |
| 00:28.31 | tarzeau | Wyzard: sb uses some highres stuff |
| 00:28.33 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I'm not making an accusation because I haven't checked to make sure, but I'm wondering because they do look very very similar |
| 00:28.38 | tarzeau | streuner_: brlcad works :) |
| 00:28.43 | tarzeau | i can load truck.g and view it |
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| 00:28.55 | edistar | hello! I can't log on anymore with a wm, it tells me that it can't write to /tmp, does anyone know how I can fix that? |
| 00:28.55 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Most of Q2's textures are 128x128 |
| 00:29.08 | tarzeau | Wyzard: much too small for todays 3d games |
| 00:29.16 | Wyzard | edistar: could be a full filesystem |
| 00:29.23 | edistar | Wyzard: how do I see that? |
| 00:29.36 | Wyzard | edistar: Log in from a console and run "df -h /tmp" |
| 00:29.55 | edistar | Wyzard: du tells me I have 6.9 GB on / and /tmp is not a seperate partition, it's a 160gb drive |
| 00:30.12 | Wyzard | edistar: hmm... wrong permissions somehow? |
| 00:30.14 | Wyzard | edistar: ls -ld /tmp |
| 00:30.24 | Wyzard | edistar: should be "drwxrwxrwt" |
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| 00:32.07 | edistar | Wyzard: df -h /tmp tells me that it's in /dev/mapper/debian-root, and that this partition(?) is only 6,5 gb big, why? |
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| 00:32.33 | edistar | it tells it's mounted on / |
| 00:32.45 | edistar | but then it would have more than 6 gb, wouldn't it? |
| 00:32.55 | Wyzard | edistar: Sounds like you're using LVM, and have a logical volume called "root" in a volume group called "debian" |
| 00:33.08 | edistar | Wyzard: how do I change it? |
| 00:33.36 | fas3r | Wyzard: it's good :p |
| 00:33.39 | fas3r | it's the gateway on the ap |
| 00:33.39 | Wyzard | edistar: and if it's called "root", and you didn't make a separate partition for /tmp, it sounds like your whole root filesystem is on a 6.5GB logical volume |
| 00:34.10 | edistar | Wyzard: but that would be rediculous :P |
| 00:34.56 | Wyzard | edistar: That is rather small, but I doubt the automatic partitioner (in the installer) would have made an LV that small... did you do manual partitioning? |
| 00:35.18 | Wyzard | edistar: you can run "lvs" as root to see a list of your logical volumes, and their sizes |
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| 00:40.25 | avtobiff | why is isn't it possible to resize LVs in the installer? |
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| 00:41.27 | Wyzard | I'm surprised if it isn't |
| 00:41.35 | avtobiff | i cannot anyway. |
| 00:41.38 | avtobiff | :-/ |
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| 00:42.00 | Sivik | does no one really not know how to close a smtp relay |
| 00:42.20 | Wyzard | Sivik: You configure it to not act as a relay anymore |
| 00:42.32 | Wyzard | Sivik: at least, not for unauthorized clients |
| 00:42.33 | Sivik | Wyzard, no joke |
| 00:42.42 | Sivik | Wyzard, thats what i'm trying to figure out here |
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| 00:43.01 | edistar | hello, sry, I'm back.. |
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| 00:43.13 | petriborg | its configured as a relay by default? i would have thought that was fixed by now |
| 00:43.16 | edistar | Wyzard: how do I change the size of the lvm partition? |
| 00:43.19 | avtobiff | Wyzard, i am using the lvm with encrypted partitions during install |
| 00:43.25 | Wyzard | Sivik: Well, it depends on what SMTP software you're running (exim, postifx, etc.) |
| 00:43.31 | Wyzard | Sivik: and there are IRC channels for each of those |
| 00:43.55 | Wyzard | edistar: You can use lvextend to make an LV bigger, if you have free space in the volume group |
| 00:44.06 | edistar | Wyzard: how do I see if I have free space? |
| 00:44.07 | Wyzard | edistar: and once that's done, resize2fs to grow the filesystem into the new space |
| 00:44.11 | edistar | I am new with lvms.. |
| 00:44.12 | Wyzard | edistar: vgdisplay |
| 00:44.24 | avtobiff | meaning you have to shrink some other lv first right? |
| 00:44.35 | DawnLight | WHA! my /var/log/auth.log has an entry every two seconds that looks like "Nov 11 09:02:08 rain8net sshd[15663]: Invalid user <user> from 130.111.163.184" where <user> changes every line |
| 00:44.41 | Wyzard | Possibly, yes |
| 00:44.51 | Wyzard | edistar: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html |
| 00:44.57 | edistar | I suppose I need to shrink |
| 00:44.59 | avtobiff | DawnLight, someone are trying to bruteforce your box with a dictionary attack. |
| 00:45.01 | edistar | Wyzard: thx |
| 00:45.13 | avtobiff | DawnLight, add the ip to /etc/hosts.deny |
| 00:45.20 | edju | laptop won't read burned cds, so I can't boot the gparted cd, or knoppix, or the like - any way to repartition the disk short of a re-install? |
| 00:45.39 | DawnLight | avtobiff: will do, thanks |
| 00:45.56 | avtobiff | DawnLight, np. |
| 00:46.20 | Xenguy | DawnLight: blacklist the IP somehow (firewall?) |
| 00:46.23 | Wyzard | edju: What sort of changes do you want to make to the partition table? |
| 00:46.30 | Wyzard | edju: A small adjustment, or completely rearranging everything? |
| 00:46.36 | edistar | Wyzard: I need to umount then.. thats a lot of effort :P |
| 00:46.53 | Wyzard | edistar: You need to unmount to shrink the filesystem |
| 00:47.04 | edistar | Wyzard: yes, I see |
| 00:47.04 | Wyzard | edistar: You can enlarge an ext3 filesystem while it's mounted, though |
| 00:47.05 | Xenguy | DawnLight: yeh, /etc/hosts.deny is very good |
| 00:47.09 | edistar | bad luck then |
| 00:47.13 | edistar | Wyzard: thanks anyway! |
| 00:47.31 | Wyzard | edistar: so you could unmount /home or whatever, shrink it to free some space, and enlarge the root filesystem without having to unmount that |
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| 00:47.59 | edistar | Wyzard: I will shrink it a lot, so that I have enough free space when I need it some other time |
| 00:48.10 | edistar | does debian use lvm1 or lvm2? |
| 00:48.14 | shaggyoaf | Hi, everybody. I'm having some trouble with ndiswrapper doing the same things on the same hardware that I know works on ubuntu |
| 00:48.18 | Wyzard | edistar: lvm2 |
| 00:48.22 | Wyzard | edistar: lvm1 was for 2.4 kernels |
| 00:48.28 | edistar | Wyzard: ah, ok |
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| 00:48.32 | shaggyoaf | Now it's not working on lenny... anybody know something about ndiswrapper being different between debian and ubuntu? |
| 00:48.33 | edistar | thank you very much |
| 00:48.43 | edistar | shaggyoaf: what exactly are you trying? |
| 00:48.58 | edistar | I am using ndiswrapper on lenny |
| 00:49.01 | shaggyoaf | edistar, I compiled the ndiswrapper-source |
| 00:49.02 | tuvwx | does debian's xephyr have support for evdev? |
| 00:49.09 | shaggyoaf | and it created a module that seems to go in OK |
| 00:49.12 | edju | Wyzard, shrink one partition and add the space to root. -- you mau have already answered. |
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| 00:49.33 | shaggyoaf | edistar, (I get a good mesg in /var/log/messages about usbcore registering an interface driver, ndiswrapper) |
| 00:49.36 | edju | *mau*may |
| 00:49.41 | edistar | shaggyoaf: thats right |
| 00:50.01 | shaggyoaf | edistar, and I've got the net8185.inf driver installed to ndiswrapper from the WINXP directory on the CD that came with my device |
| 00:50.06 | edistar | yes |
| 00:50.09 | shaggyoaf | edistar, no troubles there |
| 00:50.11 | Wyzard | edju: If it involves changing the starting location of any partition, there's no practical way to do that without booting from some other media, like a CD |
| 00:50.21 | shaggyoaf | edistar, and I had ndiswrapper set up my module alias via ndiswrapper -m |
| 00:50.30 | edistar | yes, I did that too |
| 00:50.44 | shaggyoaf | edistar, and the system *does* modprobe the ndiswrapper module when I do an ifconfig wlan0 |
| 00:50.54 | shaggyoaf | edistar, but ifconfig wlan0 just says Device not found |
| 00:50.56 | Wyzard | edju: Well, actually that's not necessarily always true |
| 00:51.03 | theholyduck | is there a tool for windows that lets you grab a .deb and all its dependencies from the debian reps? |
| 00:51.15 | shaggyoaf | edistar, ...I don't know what to look at next, I have no error messages to run down, it's just not doing what it should |
| 00:51.18 | theholyduck | or do i have to like. compile apt-get against cygwin? |
| 00:51.21 | Wyzard | edju: If you want to change the starting location of a partition, you have to back up the contents of that partition, and restore them later after you've moved the partition |
| 00:51.29 | edistar | what does it say in your /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper? |
| 00:51.51 | edistar | shaggyoaf: what does iwconfig tell you? |
| 00:51.54 | Wyzard | edju: Alternately, you might be able to use something like parted to do it |
| 00:52.01 | shaggyoaf | edistar, hmmm, I don't have iwconfig installed... hang on |
| 00:52.04 | edistar | ok |
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| 00:53.06 | shaggyoaf | edistar, "wlan0 No such device" |
| 00:53.16 | Wyzard | edju: You could unmount /home or whatever and use gparted to shrink and move it so there's some free space available after the end of the root partition |
| 00:53.44 | edistar | and ndiswrapper -l tells you that the driver is loaded? |
| 00:54.06 | shaggyoaf | edistar, "net8185 driver present" |
| 00:54.18 | Wyzard | edju: then reboot so that the new partition table takes effect -- the kernel can't reload the partition table on-the-fly if anything on the disk is in use (such as the root partition being mounted) |
| 00:54.34 | Wyzard | edju: Run fsck on the resized /home partition to make sure it's OK |
| 00:54.45 | edistar | shaggyoaf: mine says bcmw15:driver installed |
| 00:54.53 | tweakism | Hello. Can someone help me understand font issues on debian, some of my questions: 1) why do I have to specify font paths in xorg.conf and /etc/fonts/local.conf, is one for X and one for applications? if I use fontconfig can I remove font paths from xorg.conf, 2) can I use Type 1 fonts (.pfb) in graphical applications like openoffice, and if so, how do I add them to the font path? I know how to do truetype, at least from the old days.. ... |
| 00:54.59 | tweakism | ... what's the debian way, and 3) where can I find some docs to read to educate myself? |
| 00:55.07 | shaggyoaf | edistar, huh, lenny x86? |
| 00:55.07 | edju | Wyzard, I thought a mounted part could not be fooled with by a partitioner? |
| 00:55.10 | shaggyoaf | edistar, (not 64?) |
| 00:55.11 | Wyzard | edju: Then run fdisk, delete the root partition and recreate it with the *same starting location* but the new ending location, so it's bigger |
| 00:55.15 | edistar | shaggyoaf: what does it say in your /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper? |
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| 00:55.25 | edistar | shaggyoaf: lenny 32-bit |
| 00:55.37 | shaggyoaf | edistar, "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" |
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| 00:55.53 | edistar | okey... try and change it to eth2, just for fun |
| 00:56.02 | edistar | and then unload and reload the module |
| 00:56.04 | shaggyoaf | hmmm, not a bad idea |
| 00:56.07 | Wyzard | edju: You unmount the big partition before using gparted on it |
| 00:56.22 | shaggyoaf | edistar, not eth1? |
| 00:56.29 | Wyzard | edju: There's another partition still mounted (the one containing the root filesystem) but you're not making any changes to that (yet) |
| 00:56.34 | edistar | shaggyoaf: well, if you want to |
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| 00:56.47 | Wyzard | edju: just making adjustments to an unmounted partition, which is fine |
| 00:56.47 | edistar | my ethernet on my laptop is eth1.. |
| 00:56.56 | shaggyoaf | edistar, I get the same thing, a msg from usbcore that it registered ndiswrapper than a device not found |
| 00:57.04 | edju | Wyzard, delete the root? that doesn't sound like fun. |
| 00:57.05 | xacier | anyone running debian on HP C3700 series? |
| 00:57.31 | edistar | shaggyoaf: it |
| 00:57.38 | edistar | shaggyoaf: it's a bit confusing.. |
| 00:57.47 | edistar | what exactly does ndiswrapper -l tell you? |
| 00:57.52 | Wyzard | edju: Deleting a partition doesn't delete the data... you can enlarge a partition by deleting it and creating a new one in its place |
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| 00:58.08 | shaggyoaf | edistar, "Installed ndis drivers:" |
| 00:58.15 | shaggyoaf | edistar, "net8185 driver present" |
| 00:58.18 | shaggyoaf | edistar, ...that's it |
| 00:58.21 | edistar | strange.. |
| 00:58.26 | Wyzard | edju: You can't change the starting location (because that would require relocating the data, which fdisk doesn't do) but you can change the ending address to make the partition bigger or smaller |
| 00:58.52 | parentheses | Q: Proceed with installation to unclean target? |
| 00:59.07 | edistar | shaggyoaf: mine tells me: http://nopaste.org/p/ao3vfR6dB |
| 00:59.08 | parentheses | (iow, still having treble with etch install) |
| 00:59.16 | Wyzard | edju: so you first use gparted on an unmounted partition to resize and move one partition (this involves relocating the data, which is why it must be unmounted) |
| 00:59.29 | zenwryly | Is there a way to have make-kpkg choose the default for all new options? Kinda a combination of oldonfig and defconfig? |
| 00:59.48 | shaggyoaf | edistar, it's odd that you and I would be using the same software and get a differently formatted message |
| 00:59.53 | Wyzard | edju: That leaves you with some unpartitioned space after the root filesystem, so you use the delete-and-recreate trick to extend the root partition into this space (this doesn't involve relocating the data, so it's safe to do while mounted) |
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| 00:59.59 | shaggyoaf | edistar, where'd you get your ndiswrapper bits? |
| 01:00.11 | Wyzard | edju: Then you reboot again so that the kernel notices the new size of the root partition |
| 01:00.32 | Wyzard | edju: then you use resize2fs to extend the root filesystem into the newly-available space (this is also safe to do while mounted; ext3 supports online enlarging) |
| 01:00.41 | edistar | shaggyoaf: just the repos |
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| 01:01.23 | edju | Wyzard, OK - thanks. If this doesn't work, I'll be back -- let's see again - W, y,z . . . . :)) |
| 01:01.23 | edistar | shaggyoaf: I got my driver from the asus website |
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| 01:01.24 | shaggyoaf | edistar, ...sounds like basically what I did |
| 01:01.24 | shaggyoaf | edistar, ...oh well, thanks for walking me through :) |
| 01:01.24 | xacier | no debian support for hp risc? |
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| 01:01.32 | edistar | shaggyoaf: no problem :) sry I couldn't help |
| 01:01.39 | Wyzard | edju: this assumes that your root partition is at the beginning of the drive... if it's at the end, the only way you can make it bigger is by changing the starting location, which would make things much more complicated |
| 01:02.18 | Wyzard | xacier: HP PA-RISC is called "hppa" by Debian, and it's supported |
| 01:02.25 | Wyzard | xacier: http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ |
| 01:02.45 | petriborg | question - I've been fscking my disk and i'm getting "Error reading block" messages - I've told it not to ignore it, but it then says "Error while scanning inodes... can't read next inode" and aborts... What do I do? |
| 01:03.01 | Wyzard | petriborg: sounds like physical disk problems |
| 01:03.10 | wols_ | petriborg: what does dmesg say exactly? |
| 01:03.11 | DawnLight | 130.111.163.184 is bruteforcing a remote box of mine. i want to deny it access in hosts.deny but i'm checking here to make sure i'm doing it right so i won't lose my remote access. will "echo "ALL: 130.111.163.184 " > /etc/hosts.deny" do the trick? |
| 01:03.12 | Wyzard | petriborg: i.e. dying hard drive |
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| 01:03.22 | petriborg | let me check dmesg hang on |
| 01:03.23 | chump | hi |
| 01:03.31 | edistar | good night |
| 01:03.49 | DawnLight | no, actually with two >> |
| 01:03.59 | Wyzard | petriborg: Look for things like { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 01:04.16 | avtobiff | DawnLight, you might want to do it with >> yes. otherwise you truncate the file |
| 01:04.22 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 01:04.23 | avtobiff | DawnLight, but yes that will do the trick |
| 01:04.49 | petriborg | wyzard: no errors like that - but there are: Buffer I/O error on device sdc1, logical block 5688 |
| 01:04.52 | DawnLight | hope he doesn't change do it from another ip and it'll be all our war. then is there a way to report him to his isp? |
| 01:05.03 | chump | I have a problem when i print a pdf file some pages print twice can someone help ? |
| 01:05.07 | petriborg | wyzard and: Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed |
| 01:05.10 | avtobiff | DawnLight, whois ip and look for an abuse-adress or something |
| 01:05.24 | Wyzard | petriborg: Those are physical errors too |
| 01:05.26 | wols_ | petriborg: dying hdd it seems. run a rmartmontool long test |
| 01:05.36 | wols_ | *smartmontools |
| 01:05.38 | DawnLight | yo thanks avtobiff |
| 01:05.45 | dieg | hi. I need to launch xinit after user login. I've tried executing xinit from .bash_login and .bash_profile baut it doen't work. Anybody can help me? Thanks :) |
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| 01:06.06 | avtobiff | dieg, try installing a display manager instead |
| 01:06.06 | Wyzard | petriborg: "unrecovered read error" means the drive encountered a bad sector, and "auto reallocate failed" means it couldn't internally remap it to a spare sector, probably because it's already remapped so many other bad sectors that it's run out of spares |
| 01:06.21 | wols_ | dieg: install a displaymanager |
| 01:06.25 | Wyzard | petriborg: (Hard drives have some space reserved internally for transparently remapping sectors that are going bad) |
| 01:06.34 | Wyzard | petriborg: Back up your data and replace your hard drive |
| 01:07.11 | shaggyoaf | edistar, hey, got it... I had to install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 01:07.19 | shaggyoaf | edistar, I had 1.0 |
| 01:07.22 | petriborg | wyzard - yeah i know how remapping works - thanks for the help - this drive is only my root partition so no backup is needed :-) |
| 01:07.46 | petriborg | home and everything else is on a separate drive |
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| 01:08.17 | Wyzard | petriborg: wols_'s suggestion of runing a "smartctl -t long" test on the drive is a good one, though in this case it'll probably just tell you what you already know |
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| 01:08.28 | petriborg | ok i will run that too |
| 01:08.28 | petriborg | thx |
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| 01:09.02 | dieg | I'm trying to do a live USB, that connect to a remote machine through ssh and launch xinit. Some kind of thin client. I only need to launch the X. xinit works from the terminal but not from .bash_profile or .bash_login. |
| 01:09.07 | petriborg | sad part is that this drive was mostly empty 200gb drive - that means this has been this way a while and i didn't know :( |
| 01:09.08 | Wyzard | petriborg: I run smartctl checks on my drives periodically (once every month or two) to (hopefully) catch any problems early |
| 01:09.19 | petriborg | yeah i will have to setup a cron |
| 01:09.33 | parentheses | Etch install just failed again, both times the base install failed for unmet dependencies... |
| 01:09.58 | Wyzard | parentheses: You were having a problem earlier with libpam-runtime, right? |
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| 01:10.18 | parentheses | yes same thing then |
| 01:10.29 | parentheses | a whole string of unmet dependencies... like dominoes |
| 01:10.37 | Wyzard | parentheses: The packages that failed to configure due to unmet dependencies are just to other packages that also failed to configure |
| 01:10.42 | Dossy | Hi, can someone pastebin me a copy of a stock Debian etch /etc/fstab? :) |
| 01:10.44 | parentheses | exactly |
| 01:10.45 | Wyzard | parentheses: The root cause is something else |
| 01:11.00 | Dossy | Somehow, mine got clobbered. :-( |
| 01:11.04 | Wyzard | parentheses: libpam-runtime has no dependencies, and it's failing anyway, so that's what you should be investigating -- it's closer to the root cause |
| 01:11.47 | parentheses | My only other clue is that the drive still has a Lindows boot loader even though gparted sees it as a single unallocated space |
| 01:12.00 | Wyzard | parentheses: chroot into /target and try to install libpam-runtime manually, and see what error messages you get |
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| 01:12.40 | parentheses | this time it is libc, but worse, no textutils |
| 01:12.44 | parentheses | so no dpkg |
| 01:12.57 | DawnLight | a box of mine is being bruteforced by someone from the UNET Computing Center in the University of Maine System :/ |
| 01:12.59 | parentheses | then after unmet dependencies for dpkg there's this: |
| 01:13.01 | wols_ | parentheses: if the space is totally unallocated how can you install stuff on it? |
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| 01:13.06 | parentheses | tail messages: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 01:13.20 | parentheses | wols- I mean before I partitioned it |
| 01:13.35 | parentheses | I don't know why the old boot loader is still there ! |
| 01:13.45 | wols_ | your remnant bootloader has nothing to do with it btw |
| 01:13.51 | parentheses | oh thanks |
| 01:13.53 | wols_ | cause you didn't overwrite it |
| 01:13.58 | simonrvn | Dossy: no such thing. it's generated |
| 01:14.06 | parentheses | right bc that step is one of the last |
| 01:14.32 | Dossy | simonrvn: ... i know. |
| 01:14.36 | parentheses | I just didn't realise that blowing out all the partitions did not affect the area of the drive where the boot loader is! |
| 01:14.44 | SerajewelKS | how come no i386 packages are being built? |
| 01:14.46 | Dossy | i have my / and other disk-based filesystems already |
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| 01:14.53 | simonrvn | Dossy: so if you know, why did you ask? |
| 01:15.01 | SerajewelKS | my amd64 box is getting updates on lenny, my i386 box is not. same mirror. |
| 01:15.03 | Dossy | what i want to know is all the other crud, the /dev line, the /dev/pts line, /proc/bus/usb ... |
| 01:15.15 | Dossy | simonrvn: because I still _need_ to see a copy of someone else's generated one |
| 01:15.16 | simonrvn | that isn't in there |
| 01:15.24 | Dossy | unless you're telling me there's a convenient script I can run to re-generate it |
| 01:15.38 | Dossy | uh, are you sure? |
| 01:15.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:15.54 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: see topic -- ftp-master is down, so no new packages are going into testing or unstable |
| 01:15.57 | Dossy | what mounts sysfs on /sys, then? |
| 01:16.00 | wols_ | Dossy: they're all genereated by programs nowadays. /dev once existed on disk sorta. but not anymore |
| 01:16.04 | Dossy | and, i want to mount tmpfs on /tmp, etc. |
| 01:16.09 | simonrvn | init scripts |
| 01:16.10 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: Your amd64 box was probably just out-of-date with respect to packages that are already in the archive |
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| 01:16.42 | parentheses | I'm really at a loss as to why usr/bin/perl is not there |
| 01:17.05 | Wyzard | parentheses: Rather than chrooting, then, you can run the installer's copy of dpkg, with --root=/target |
| 01:17.16 | wols_ | parentheses: at what point in the install are you? did the install show the long bar when it was installing the base system? |
| 01:17.22 | parentheses | yes |
| 01:17.24 | Wyzard | parentheses: perl probably just failed to install |
| 01:18.08 | wols_ | parentheses: somehow I don't think so. since the libpam is part of that base iirc |
| 01:18.57 | parentheses | no its a lot of packages not being installed |
| 01:19.03 | parentheses | I wonder if the CD is just a bad image |
| 01:19.18 | parentheses | oh wait scratch that-- I am using a different cd |
| 01:19.22 | Wyzard | parentheses: That's a possibility... check its md5sum |
| 01:19.27 | Wyzard | parentheses: What CD are you using? |
| 01:19.27 | wols_ | then there would be shown an error since package fail their crc/md5 check |
| 01:19.56 | parentheses | I tried my Etch CD once, and got the same *type* of errors each time |
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| 01:20.12 | parentheses | also tried Ubuntu disk that reproduced the errors |
| 01:20.21 | wols_ | parentheses: bad drive? |
| 01:20.27 | Wyzard | parentheses: OK, that rules out bad media... could be a bad hard drive, or bad RAM |
| 01:20.28 | parentheses | good guess |
| 01:20.40 | Wyzard | parentheses: You can use that Ubuntu CD to run memtest |
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| 01:21.08 | parentheses | I will do that (memtest) I think its the drive |
| 01:21.31 | parentheses | I think I messed up the table or something |
| 01:21.39 | Wyzard | parentheses: Many drive manufacturers have a diagnostic tool that you can download and run, in the form of a bootable CD |
| 01:21.47 | Wyzard | parentheses: This isn't a partition-table problem |
| 01:22.03 | parentheses | maybe I'll just dd it instead of running manufacture diagnostics |
| 01:22.13 | parentheses | ok |
| 01:22.18 | Wyzard | parentheses: It'd be better to do a real scan on the drive |
| 01:22.29 | Wyzard | parentheses: Use a liveCD to run "smartctl -t long" on it |
| 01:22.36 | parentheses | great idea |
| 01:22.50 | Wyzard | parentheses: That's the drive's internal (firmware) self-test procedure, including a full surface scan |
| 01:23.06 | Wyzard | parentheses: It's more thorough than anything you can do with userspace tools |
| 01:23.46 | parentheses | booting into liveCD now (this may take a while, ha) |
| 01:23.58 | Wyzard | yeah, it'll probably take a few hours |
| 01:24.02 | parentheses | hehe |
| 01:24.22 | parentheses | I appreciate your help and knowlege Wyz |
| 01:24.40 | Wyzard | If you haven't done smartctl self-tests before: it'll tell you how long the test will take, but you'll get your prompt back immediately |
| 01:25.07 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: no, not at all |
| 01:25.11 | parentheses | neat, I won't need the prompt, but I'll be able to step out for a bit |
| 01:25.25 | Wyzard | The time it gives you is the minimum assuming the drive isn't being used for anything else (you can do a scan on a mounted and in-use disk, but it'll take much longer) |
| 01:25.29 | jorgenpt | dpkg's !reinstall gives me "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle'. Any tips? |
| 01:25.38 | parentheses | this is a fresh install on a pentablet |
| 01:25.43 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: look at the pdo page for pulseaudio |
| 01:25.48 | Wyzard | "smartctl -l selftest" shows you the self-test status -- it'll either say "in progress" or something like that if the scan hasn't finished yet, or it'll give you the results if it's finished |
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| 01:26.02 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: 0.9.7-1 amd64, 0.9.6-2 u386 |
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| 01:26.06 | SerajewelKS | i386* |
| 01:26.40 | parentheses | This drive did get a hiccup on it when I tried to recover a windows partition some time ago |
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| 01:27.01 | parentheses | the windows recovery console messed up the Lindows loader somehow |
| 01:27.03 | wols_ | what kind of hiccup? |
| 01:27.07 | parentheses | c above |
| 01:27.11 | petriborg | wyzard: any idea what the process name might be of the smartctl process after it goes "Testing has begun." |
| 01:27.21 | parentheses | after that Lindows wouldn't run anymore |
| 01:27.26 | Wyzard | SerajewelKS: That's fairly normal; it just means that 0.9.7 hasn't been built or uploaded for i386 yet |
| 01:27.26 | wols_ | that's not huccup, that's prettymuch normal if you use fix* commands |
| 01:27.34 | parentheses | so I just wanted to blow the whole thing out and use if for Debian |
| 01:27.40 | Wyzard | petriborg: There's no process that stays running |
| 01:27.54 | parentheses | right wols I realised too late, a split second after pressing the key |
| 01:28.00 | petriborg | so where/what output do i get? |
| 01:28.01 | wols_ | parentheses: you must get away from your bootloader/partition fixation |
| 01:28.02 | Wyzard | petriborg: It's entirely an internal operation in the drive... all smartctl does is send it the command to tell it to start scanning itself |
| 01:28.07 | parentheses | yes wols |
| 01:28.20 | Wyzard | petriborg: You have to use smartctl again later to ask it for the results of the scan (with "smartctl -l selftest") |
| 01:28.31 | SerajewelKS | Wyzard: nod, i didn't notice the ftp-master notice |
| 01:28.32 | parentheses | I still don't get where the bootloader is stored relative to the space that gparted sees, though |
| 01:28.56 | Wyzard | parentheses: The bootloader is stored in the boot sector, the same place where the partition table is located |
| 01:29.09 | parentheses | oic |
| 01:29.15 | Wyzard | parentheses: but deleting all the partitions doesn't erase the bootloader, because the bootloader is not part of any partition |
| 01:29.24 | pab | Been playing with checkinstall for installing source packages. Seems pretty good but wonder about any gotchas. Anyone have experience with it? |
| 01:29.34 | parentheses | gotit, for some reason I thought it was the first sector of the 1st partition |
| 01:29.39 | parentheses | don't know where I got that idea |
| 01:29.45 | edju | Wyzard, wait - just thought of something - the lap's on the LAN. could I stick a knoppix cd in the other machine and boot the lap off of that? not asking for a how-to - I'll look it up if it's possible. |
| 01:29.59 | Wyzard | parentheses: Well, the first sector of a partition is often called the partition's boot sector |
| 01:30.09 | parentheses | AH |
| 01:30.12 | tweakism | I placed a bunch of .pfb files in subdirectories of /usr/local/share/fonts/type1 , I added <dir>/usr/local/share/fonts</dir> to /etc/fonts/local.conf before </fontconfig>, and restarted X (which I think is unneeded), but fonts do not appear in openoffice font selection dialog. |
| 01:30.14 | wols_ | parentheses: they're in the same sector (at least parts) but one doesn't need to erase the full sector |
| 01:30.19 | Wyzard | parentheses: The first sector of the drive is more accurately known as the master boot record, or MBR, so I shouldn't really have called it a "boot sector" |
| 01:30.25 | petriborg | wyzard - ah thx... seems smart is a bust on this it says no tests have been logged even though i've ron the -t long test |
| 01:30.39 | Wyzard | parentheses: The partition boot sector is unused on most Linux systems though |
| 01:30.52 | Wyzard | petriborg: Is it a SATA drive? |
| 01:30.56 | petriborg | yes |
| 01:30.59 | parentheses | by that you mean the MBR, Wyz? |
| 01:31.18 | petriborg | its a nice 200gb sata drive from wd |
| 01:31.24 | parentheses | oh wait you mean the opposite |
| 01:31.25 | Wyzard | petriborg: Use "-d ata" when running smartctl, to force it to treat the drive as SATA rather than SCSI |
| 01:31.27 | petriborg | (or was, as the case seems to be ;) |
| 01:31.28 | Wyzard | sometimes it guesses wrong |
| 01:31.38 | petriborg | k |
| 01:31.47 | Wyzard | and it'll mis-detect SMART support if it's trying to talk to a SATA drive as if it were SCSI |
| 01:31.52 | tweakism | The fonts do appear in fc-list |
| 01:32.24 | Wyzard | petriborg: it's possible to install a bootloader (LILO, GRUB, whatever) in either a partiton's boot sector *or* in the MBR |
| 01:32.31 | Wyzard | oops |
| 01:32.32 | Wyzard | parentheses: ^^^ |
| 01:32.43 | Wyzard | parentheses: but most Linux systems put it in the MBR, and leave the partition boot sectors unused |
| 01:32.44 | parentheses | ah that does clarify things |
| 01:32.57 | Wyzard | parentheses: Windows puts its boot code in the partition boot sector, though |
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| 01:33.04 | parentheses | that is very useful info, at least just to understand things |
| 01:33.11 | petriborg | wyzard - you are the master of smarttools it now says 75min - thanks again |
| 01:33.16 | petriborg | :-) |
| 01:33.23 | Wyzard | parentheses: and puts code in the MBR which just looks at the partition table to find which partition has the "active" flag, loads that partition's boot sector, and runs it |
| 01:33.42 | parentheses | If windows uses the partition boot sector, why does windows use fdisk /fix mbr? |
| 01:33.56 | parentheses | oh you just answered that |
| 01:34.03 | Wyzard | parentheses: fixmbr puts back the MBR code that looks at the partition table to figure out which partition to boot |
| 01:34.09 | parentheses | yes |
| 01:34.31 | petriborg | wyzard - the sad part is that i just reformatted this drive about 2 weeks ago and prior to this |
| 01:34.32 | Wyzard | Windows also does that during installation, which is why installing Windows "breaks" GRUB -- it overwrites the GRUB MBR code with Microsoft's MBR code |
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| 01:34.59 | obnauticus | Is there any VM software that doesn't require a GUI to run |
| 01:35.17 | obnauticus | because I just want to run an os that has cli only in a vm. |
| 01:35.40 | Wyzard | Incidentally, some people like to turn on the bootable flag on the partition containing a Linux root filesystem, but that actually shouldn't be done (except in the uncommon case where you put GRUB in a partition boot sector rather than the MBR) |
| 01:35.49 | DawnLight | qemu, obnauticus |
| 01:36.13 | parentheses | why is that Wyzard? |
| 01:36.18 | Wyzard | because that bootable flag, in the partition table, means "this partiton's boot sector contains code for booting an OS", which is not true when you're using GRUB in the MBR |
| 01:36.39 | DawnLight | right ^ |
| 01:36.59 | nepbabu | seconded (of what i know) :) |
| 01:37.11 | Wyzard | It doesn't really matter, because GRUB ignores that flag anyway, but Microsoft's MBR code would see that flag and try to run code from that partition's boot sector, which doesn't contain any runnable code |
| 01:37.31 | parentheses | the active flag is not the same as the bootable flag (?) |
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| 01:37.50 | Wyzard | obnauticus: This isn't 100% what you want, but VMware Server is a daemon that runs without a GUI... you need a GUI client to actually interact with the VM, but it can run on another machine and connect over the network |
| 01:38.01 | Wyzard | parentheses: no, two names for the same thing |
| 01:38.35 | Wyzard | parentheses: It's a flag in the MBR that's supposed to be set on one and only one partition, and it tells Microsoft's MBR code which partition to load and run the boot sector from |
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| 01:40.10 | codazoda | My machine, running Debian, locks up from time to time. It will go often go 2 or 3 days without locking up, then lockup twice in 10 minutes. I suspect the RT2500 drivers, because the first lockup was shortly after installing them. When it locks, I can't CTRL-ALT-DEL or anything else, I must power off. What is the best way to tackle such a problem? |
| 01:40.43 | parentheses | (uninstall the RT2500 drivers?) |
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| 01:41.00 | DawnLight | right ^ |
| 01:41.08 | petriborg | or just remove them to verify the problem ? ;-) |
| 01:41.10 | nepbabu | !beer DawnLight |
| 01:41.20 | nepbabu | right ^ |
| 01:41.23 | parentheses | lol nepbabu |
| 01:41.31 | nepbabu | :) |
| 01:41.49 | obnauticus | Wyzard, how would I set that up? |
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| 01:43.02 | nepbabu | obnauticus, qemu is command line. just grab it using apt. |
| 01:43.07 | zythmer | hmmm good choice. /me has franziskaner in the fridge. |
| 01:43.37 | obnauticus | nepbabu, I'm trying to run it via command line only... |
| 01:43.40 | obnauticus | and it's failing miserably. |
| 01:43.47 | parentheses | oops-- smartctl: command not found |
| 01:44.03 | Wyzard | obnauticus: vmware.com |
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| 01:44.28 | Wyzard | obnauticus: It's free-of-charge but closed-source |
| 01:44.37 | \amethyst | parentheses: it's in package smartmontools |
| 01:44.39 | DawnLight | i can't seem to install xp in qemu. it stops progressing during installation |
| 01:44.44 | obnauticus | Wyzard, so |
| 01:44.54 | obnauticus | I can run the daemon on the server, and install it from a clinet here? |
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| 01:45.07 | zythmer | Wyzard: Why do you run smartctl every couple of months? I run a short test everyday and a long test every weekend. SMART will tell you it is failing within 24 hours of it expecting to fail. |
| 01:45.18 | ice63 | xp why |
| 01:45.29 | codazoda | Uhg, there went one of those lockups. |
| 01:45.59 | Wyzard | obnauticus: yes |
| 01:46.02 | DawnLight | just for fun, to get to know qemu |
| 01:46.15 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Clients are available for both Linux (using GTK) and Windows |
| 01:46.19 | obnauticus | Wyzard, I'm in the downloads section, what do I put on my server? |
| 01:46.30 | obnauticus | I'm goning to be connecting to the VMWare server via windows. |
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| 01:47.07 | Wyzard | obnauticus: They have both tar.gz and RPM packages for Linux... get the tar.gz one |
| 01:47.23 | Wyzard | obnauticus: It has a script installer which puts everything in /usr/local |
| 01:47.25 | obnauticus | of `VMware server' right? |
| 01:47.34 | Wyzard | obnauticus: It needs to compile some kernel modules, so you'll need to have kernel headers installed |
| 01:47.35 | Wyzard | right |
| 01:47.55 | codazoda | Is there a stress test I could try running on my machine, over-night perhaps, to see if it will lock-up with the rt2500 disabled (or uninstalled)? The rt2500 is my only real internet access, so it's hard to test without that particular driver enabled. |
| 01:49.32 | Wyzard | zythmer: It wouldn't be a bad idea for me to run it more frequently, but it takes about two days to run (750GB, combined with the disks being mounted and in use) |
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| 01:51.35 | Wyzard | zythmer: so once a week seems like a bit much |
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| 01:51.59 | zythmer | Wyzard: Yeah but the short tests would be much faster right? On my disks (320GB and 500GB), they take ~1 minute for the short test and 110-160 minutes for the extended test. |
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| 01:52.17 | nepbabu | codazoda, disable the module, lsmod | grep rt2500; rmmod rt2500; leave it overnight. see how it goes. alternatively, download huge chunk, a dvd (going the other way). |
| 01:52.50 | DawnLight | why doesn't full accelaration work qemu? i've the module installed and running |
| 01:53.07 | DawnLight | i'm using qemu-launcher so i can't see the error |
| 01:53.19 | Wyzard | zythmer: Sure, but I don't really know what that actually tests, since it's obviously not the whole disk surface |
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| 01:54.16 | Wyzard | zythmer: It could exercise things like the motors that control the read/write heads, but those get exercised during normal usage anyway, and the drive would notice problems with them |
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| 01:55.42 | Tramp | Wyzard: You know the Google-Paper about the ability of SMART to actually predict HD failures? |
| 01:55.57 | Wyzard | Tramp: nope, haven't heard about that |
| 01:56.04 | Tramp | http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf |
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| 01:56.33 | Tramp | Wyzard: Baseline: In about 50% of the cases SMART did not indicate failure |
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| 01:56.56 | Tramp | (i.e. the drives failed without SMART complaining in advance) |
| 01:57.23 | Wyzard | Tramp: I'm not too surprised, but would that figure have been helped by running frequent short self-tests? |
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| 01:57.56 | Tramp | Wyzard: certainly not. |
| 01:58.18 | Wyzard | Tramp: then I don't see any benefit in running daily short tests like zythmer does |
| 01:59.09 | Tramp | Wyzard: oh, I didn't refer to that particular comment. I just wanted to point out that SMART appears to be less helpfule than many people think it is. |
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| 01:59.21 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:59.40 | Wyzard | Tramp: I know it's not perfect -- it can predict failures that are a result of gradual degradation, but not sudden catastrophic failure |
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| 01:59.46 | Wyzard | Tramp: and I don't rely on it; I use RAID-5 |
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| 02:01.39 | Wyzard | Any SMART pre-failure warning would just be a sign that I should order a replacement drive, so that it arrives a little sooner and my array can spend less time in degraded mode when the disk actually does fail |
| 02:02.07 | petriborg | what kind of raid do you run wyzard? |
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| 02:02.32 | Wyzard | petriborg: Encrypted RAID-5 of three Seagate 750GB disks, with LVM on top |
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| 02:03.02 | petriborg | nice very nice |
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| 02:03.21 | petriborg | mind telling me how you went about making such a raid? i've been thinking about doing the same recently |
| 02:04.10 | Wyzard | Well, Debian's installer supports creating RAID arrays during installation |
| 02:04.24 | petriborg | so you are using a software raid |
| 02:04.27 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 02:04.45 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, it's not possible to do the whole RAID + crypto + LVM with etch's installer |
| 02:05.00 | petriborg | see thats what i meant, so you are using a sw-raid w/ an encrypted vol on top of that ? |
| 02:05.03 | Wyzard | The installer has a bug, related to encrypted RAID arrays IIRC |
| 02:05.16 | petriborg | good to know |
| 02:05.24 | Wyzard | When I set up this system back in January, I used an older snapshot of the beta installer which didn't have the bug |
| 02:05.38 | petriborg | so the bug is in the current rc? |
| 02:05.50 | Wyzard | It's in the current stable etch installer... haven't tried the current betas |
| 02:06.06 | petriborg | ok so yeah current rc :) |
| 02:06.43 | petriborg | so you had your data on some other disks prior and then built the raid and copied it on? |
| 02:06.47 | Wyzard | Anyway, the RAID-5 gives me a 1.5TB block device, and I use dm-crypt on that |
| 02:07.03 | Wyzard | and the dm-crypt device is used as a 1.5TB physical volume for LVM |
| 02:07.23 | Wyzard | No, I installed using an older version of the installer which didn't have the bug |
| 02:07.44 | Wyzard | so I was able to create the whole setup directly within the installer's partitioning tool |
| 02:07.56 | petriborg | wow thats nice |
| 02:08.23 | petriborg | well i'll have the excuse to do that i guess after this since it looks like my root is a bust |
| 02:08.36 | Wyzard | In a year or two I might add a fourth 750GB drive -- Linux software RAID supports restriping to add additional drives to a RAID-5 |
| 02:09.09 | petriborg | can the sw-raid handle drives of different size or do they need to be the same? |
| 02:09.23 | petriborg | cause i have some 500gb ones and a couple of 200gb ones |
| 02:09.23 | shogunx | - |
| 02:09.38 | petriborg | i would guess not but i figure i'd ask |
| 02:09.40 | Wyzard | They can be of different sizes, but the effective size is that of the smallest one |
| 02:09.43 | Wyzard | and any extra space on the others is wasted |
| 02:09.54 | petriborg | oh that is bad |
| 02:10.07 | Wyzard | You can avoid that by using partitions rather than the raw disk as RAID components (which is a good idea anyway), and making the partitions all the same size |
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| 02:10.20 | Wyzard | On the bigger disks you just have additional room to create other partitions |
| 02:10.40 | Wyzard | Each of my three disks is partitioned identically |
| 02:10.54 | Wyzard | At the beginning there's a 100MB partition, which on the first disk is /boot, and on the other two is unused |
| 02:11.05 | petriborg | ah |
| 02:11.13 | Wyzard | At the end there's a 1GB partition; those three partitions form an encrypted RAID-0 which is swapspace |
| 02:11.33 | Wyzard | and in the middle is the huge ~750GB partition which is a component of the RAID-5 |
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| 02:11.59 | petriborg | which brings me to a diff point, how do you do raid5 on only 2 drives |
| 02:12.07 | Wyzard | I don't |
| 02:12.09 | Wyzard | I have three drives |
| 02:12.10 | petriborg | or did you have 3 |
| 02:12.12 | petriborg | ah yeah |
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| 02:12.23 | Wyzard | (though Linux does support RAID-5 on two drives -- it's a lot like RAID-1) |
| 02:12.33 | petriborg | yeah it would have to be |
| 02:13.16 | Wyzard | I've tested 2-disk RAID-5 vs. 2-disk RAID-1, actually -- the RAID-5 is a little more CPU-intensive, but it has the advantage that you can add more disks in the future by restriping, and gain additional usable space |
| 02:13.33 | petriborg | hm |
| 02:13.36 | petriborg | good to know |
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| 02:13.43 | Wyzard | so it's a good choice if you want redundancy now with two disks, but plan on expanding later |
| 02:13.49 | petriborg | yeah |
| 02:13.58 | Wyzard | I can dig up the details of my test if you're interested |
| 02:14.07 | petriborg | i would be extremely interested! |
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| 02:14.27 | petriborg | if this whole drive dying thing hadn't happened today i would have been working on that :-) |
| 02:14.43 | hatter | drive dying has become popular |
| 02:15.00 | petriborg | the drive that died is only a few years old |
| 02:15.06 | petriborg | i'm kind of erked at that |
| 02:15.12 | petriborg | but not much to do about it at this point |
| 02:15.13 | hatter | yeah. get used to it |
| 02:15.19 | libervisco | Hmm where do I download debian testing netinstall? |
| 02:15.25 | hatter | a lot are only lasting this long these days |
| 02:15.31 | petriborg | yeah |
| 02:15.37 | obnauticus | Wyzard the install for vmware is asking me where my `C header' file are, and I don't know where they... are. |
| 02:15.41 | libervisco | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ dead link here.. |
| 02:15.57 | hatter | obnauticus, you need the header files to suit your currenty running kernel |
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| 02:16.01 | Wyzard | libervisco: You need to have the headers package for your kernel installed |
| 02:16.19 | Wyzard | libervisco: If you're running an up-to-date etch system, installing the "linux-headers-2.6-686" package should do the trick |
| 02:16.31 | Wyzard | libervisco: (assuming you're using the -686 kernel, which you probably are) |
| 02:16.33 | libervisco | Wyzard, uh? I'm looking to download the iso |
| 02:16.43 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:16.46 | libervisco | :) |
| 02:16.54 | Wyzard | obnauticus: see what I just said to obnauticus |
| 02:16.56 | Wyzard | argh |
| 02:17.00 | libervisco | hehe |
| 02:17.03 | Wyzard | obnauticus: see what I just said to libervisco |
| 02:17.16 | hatter | obnauticus, then you need to ln the headers file to /usr/src/linux |
| 02:17.26 | Wyzard | no you don't |
| 02:18.17 | Wyzard | The headers package creates a symlink called "build" in the corresponding directory under /lib/modules |
| 02:18.17 | obnauticus | j=k |
| 02:18.18 | obnauticus | k** |
| 02:18.29 | obnauticus | Wyzard where did it just install them? |
| 02:18.45 | Wyzard | i.e. /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:18.54 | hatter | vmware looks in /usr/src/linux |
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| 02:19.08 | Wyzard | hatter: only as a fallback if it doesn't find the build symlink |
| 02:19.14 | obnauticus | but it's not there hatter :/ |
| 02:19.20 | obnauticus | you can specify hatter. |
| 02:19.21 | hatter | ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 /usr/src/linux |
| 02:19.29 | Ardi | hi to all ,... where can i get the wmp 9 codec pack for debian ? |
| 02:19.32 | hatter | Wyzard, i have always needed to do this |
| 02:19.41 | Wyzard | hatter: No, that is neither necessary nor appropriate |
| 02:19.43 | petriborg | wyzard - so is the bug in the dm-crypt stage of the install or the raid 5 part? |
| 02:19.53 | obnauticus | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 02:19.53 | obnauticus | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 02:19.57 | Wyzard | The symlink in /lib/modules is the canonical way to find the kernel's headers |
| 02:20.00 | hatter | hmmm, so what is the correct procedure ? |
| 02:20.08 | Wyzard | and VMware's installer script will use it if it exists |
| 02:20.24 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Hit ctrl-C, install the headers package I mentioned a minute ago, and then run vmware-configure again |
| 02:20.43 | hatter | Wyzard, i have done many of these, by default it wont find them |
| 02:20.45 | petriborg | ardi try the mplayer or vlc players they may work for you regarding the wmv9 codec |
| 02:20.54 | Wyzard | hatter: Make sure the build symlink exists -- it'll be there automatically if you're using a packaged linux-image and linux-headers |
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| 02:21.15 | hatter | Wyzard, i have always used the debian packages for kernel and headers |
| 02:21.33 | Wyzard | hatter: I am absolutely certain that VMware's install script uses the build symlink if it exists |
| 02:21.45 | Wyzard | in recent versions at least |
| 02:21.49 | Wyzard | I've been using VMware for years |
| 02:21.58 | hatter | i guess the link hasnt been there then ? |
| 02:22.03 | hatter | i have been using also |
| 02:22.05 | hatter | its great |
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| 02:22.18 | Wyzard | It should be there if you use the packaged linux-headers |
| 02:22.27 | hatter | i have always needed to give a symbolic link |
| 02:22.37 | Ardi | petriborg, i am trying to play smth over internet in a webpage on flashplayer :( |
| 02:22.38 | Wyzard | of course, you need the linux-headers for the kernel that you're actually running |
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| 02:22.51 | hatter | Wyzard, yes , always needed that |
| 02:23.10 | Wyzard | If you're running 2.6.18-5-686, you need /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build, which comes from linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:23.28 | petriborg | ardi - not sure what 'smth' is but if its a flash player how can that be a wmv codec problem? seems like it should be a problem w/ the flash? |
| 02:23.29 | Wyzard | Having headers for, say, 2.6.18-4-686 doesn't do you any good (and that build symlink would be ignored) |
| 02:23.35 | Wyzard | petriborg: http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1718646&st=775&#entry4587275 |
| 02:23.55 | obnauticus | K Wyzard it is now installed . |
| 02:24.24 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Run "uname -r" to check that you're running 2.6.18-5-686, just to make sure you installed the right headers package |
| 02:24.25 | hatter | it has to be the correct headers |
| 02:24.33 | Ardi | petriborg, smth = something and i get that error when i load the page ... it tells me that the video can not be played cos u need wmp9 codec pack |
| 02:24.38 | obnauticus | Wyzard i already figured out that i was 2 versions behind |
| 02:24.41 | obnauticus | got the other headers |
| 02:24.44 | obnauticus | and compiled. |
| 02:24.55 | obnauticus | Vmware is apperentally now installed, how do I use it now? |
| 02:25.09 | obnauticus | It's configured too |
| 02:25.14 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Download and install the client somewhere |
| 02:25.32 | Wyzard | obnauticus: When you run it, it'll ask you for the address of the server to connect to, and a username and password |
| 02:26.00 | obnauticus | VMware workstation :/ |
| 02:26.02 | obnauticus | I already have it |
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| 02:26.13 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Server, not Workstation |
| 02:26.31 | petriborg | ardi - maybe the flash player can somehow link into those things but i'd never heard of that before so i guess i got nothing that can help you sorry :-) |
| 02:26.33 | obnauticus | wait... I installed server on the machine i want to ... be doing work on... |
| 02:26.43 | obnauticus | on the machine i want to be controlling it from I install...vmware server also? |
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| 02:26.54 | Wyzard | obnauticus: You want the client for Server, which is on the same download page as Server itself |
| 02:26.59 | obnauticus | k |
| 02:27.01 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Workstation is a different product, which costs money |
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| 02:29.34 | obnauticus | Wyzard, I don't remember configuring a username/password |
| 02:29.34 | sysop2 | anyone have a etch compiz fusion kde howto? |
| 02:29.39 | Wyzard | obnauticus: It's the your normal login |
| 02:29.51 | obnauticus | Wait..what? |
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| 02:29.59 | Wyzard | obnauticus: sorry, that was a mangled sentence |
| 02:30.07 | Wyzard | obnauticus: It's the same username and password that you use to log in at the console |
| 02:30.29 | obnauticus | I never logged in at any console |
| 02:30.32 | obnauticus | I only installed vmware |
| 02:30.50 | Wyzard | obnauticus: You logged into your Debian machine to install VMware on it, didn't you? |
| 02:30.57 | obnauticus | Oh |
| 02:31.05 | obnauticus | my debian machine's user name and passwords |
| 02:31.06 | obnauticus | k |
| 02:31.10 | Wyzard | yep |
| 02:31.25 | obnauticus | I think I'm connected now |
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| 02:31.52 | Wyzard | obnauticus: At this point you should read the documentation on vmware.com |
| 02:31.57 | obnauticus | ya |
| 02:31.57 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 02:32.02 | Wyzard | obnauticus: VMware isn't supported here since it's non-free, but it's pretty easy to use |
| 02:32.11 | hatter | omg dont i love the command line after administering a remote windows machines with graphics |
| 02:32.14 | obnauticus | Well I've used it for vmachines locally |
| 02:32.16 | obnauticus | but not over the network |
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| 02:32.25 | obnauticus | I know how to use it though |
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| 02:32.35 | Ardi | petriborg, thnx no wories :P |
| 02:32.40 | Wyzard | obnauticus: If you've used Workstation, Server is very similar |
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| 02:32.44 | hatter | Wyzard, have you found anything similar to vmware that is free ? |
| 02:33.03 | Wyzard | obnauticus: It lacks some of the advanced features of Workstation, like multiple snapshots, but if you know how to use one, you basically know how to use the other |
| 02:33.07 | PythonNinja | is there a way to force apt to use a stable deb, apart from editing my sources, updating, getting the deb, and then changing back? i'm on lenny, but mocp doesn't work |
| 02:33.14 | Wyzard | hatter: There's VirtualBox, but it's not as mature |
| 02:33.44 | Wyzard | hatter: There's also qemu, xen, and kvm, but those are more low-level and much less user-friendly |
| 02:34.02 | hatter | yes, and dont run windows vm's |
| 02:34.12 | hatter | i think you can get qemu to run windows ? |
| 02:34.19 | Wyzard | hatter: Xen can, on processors with hardware virtualization support |
| 02:34.28 | hatter | really ? |
| 02:34.31 | Wyzard | hatter: qemu can run Windows on anything, since it emulates the whole system, but it's not as fast |
| 02:34.39 | hatter | vmware is fast |
| 02:34.52 | Wyzard | hatter: yes, on recent processors with Intel Vanderpool or AMD Pacifica |
| 02:35.36 | Wyzard | I think VMware Workstation (version 6 at least) might use the CPU's hardware virtualization support if it's available, but I'm not sure of that |
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| 02:36.06 | obnauticus | Wyzard: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx: error while loading shared libraries: libXtst.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:36.16 | Wyzard | kvm also uses hardware virtualization (relies on it, in fact) so it can probably run Windows |
| 02:36.16 | hatter | i have had problems lately with cheapp 8 port switches, have you experienced any of this ? |
| 02:36.46 | Wyzard | hatter: I've had no problems with my 8-port Netgear gigabit switch |
| 02:37.07 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Is that on the server? |
| 02:37.08 | zythmer | PythonNinja: hmm I'm using testing (moc 2.5.0~alpha2-2) and it works fine here. |
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| 02:37.14 | Wyzard | obnauticus: I thought you said you'd successfully installed and started it |
| 02:37.24 | obnauticus | ya i installed it, it gave no errors. |
| 02:37.26 | obnauticus | but failed. |
| 02:37.49 | Wyzard | obnauticus: Well, that library is in the "libxtst6" package |
| 02:37.59 | PythonNinja | zythmer: it tells me that the file can't be found, for any file |
| 02:38.05 | hatter | are you getting improved speed with gigabit stuff ? |
| 02:38.08 | Wyzard | obnauticus: or, if you're running amd64 Debian, in the "ia32-libs" package (since VMware Workstation is 32-bit) |
| 02:38.11 | PythonNinja | what's the command to install a .deb? do i use rpm? |
| 02:38.13 | CompWizrd | i was surprised to see Server 1.0.4 requirse some X libraries now, 1.0.2 at least didn't |
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| 02:38.43 | Wyzard | hatter: The fastest I've seen through this switch is about 50MB/sec, which isn't full gigabit speed, but it's still pretty good |
| 02:39.02 | Wyzard | obnauticus: oops, meant to say since VMware Server is 32-bit -- but you get the idea |
| 02:39.02 | wols | ...for a netgear piece of junk |
| 02:39.49 | petriborg | i'm always happy when netgear routers just don't explode into flame - its about all one can expect out of them ;-) |
| 02:39.58 | Wyzard | I've seen no performance data to make me prefer any particular brand for technical reasons |
| 02:40.01 | CompWizrd | i've done 100+ MB/s through dell 27xx series switches, they seem to be ok |
| 02:40.04 | Wyzard | so I buy the Netgear ones because they look nice |
| 02:40.45 | petriborg | my NG is always dying which is why i have a negative attitude about them |
| 02:41.07 | Ardi | Video codec 'Windows Media Video 9' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies : this is the error i get with Totem |
| 02:41.26 | Wyzard | I have three Netgear switches (one 5-port 100mbit, one 5-port gigabit, and one 8-port gigabit) and none of them have failed on me |
| 02:41.49 | CompWizrd | my last switch was an allied telesyn, it was decent until the fans started to die.. got many years out of it |
| 02:41.53 | Wyzard | I haven't used their routers though |
| 02:42.16 | jorgenpt | What generates /etc/network/interfaces on the initial setup? |
| 02:42.18 | Wyzard | The only "router" device I have is a Linksys WRT54GL, running OpenWRT and acting as a pure bridging access point |
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| 02:42.36 | Wyzard | My real router is a small-form-factor PC running four instances of Debian on Xen |
| 02:42.45 | mavenjinx | im installing debian 4 this will be my first debian install what can i expect from it |
| 02:43.07 | PythonNinja | anyone? how do i install a .deb? |
| 02:43.27 | obnauticus | Wyzard, how do I uninstall this now? |
| 02:43.28 | mavenjinx | i believe there is a package manager for them |
| 02:43.31 | theholyduck | dpkg -i debfilehere.deb |
| 02:43.39 | obnauticus | it's saying it needs a serial to `unlock this version of vmware server' |
| 02:43.44 | PythonNinja | ty |
| 02:43.48 | Wyzard | obnauticus: You need to register at vmware.com |
| 02:43.58 | Wyzard | obnauticus: It doesn't cost any money, but you still have to sign up |
| 02:44.11 | petriborg | wyzard - any other suggested reading for doing an encrypted raid? |
| 02:44.31 | CompWizrd | it sounds like you didn't fully install this copy of vmware server to me |
| 02:44.42 | CompWizrd | since one of the things it asks you to do is input your serial number, during install |
| 02:44.43 | Wyzard | obnauticus: (They require an email address, but they don't send any spam -- just very infrequent news messages which you can opt out of) |
| 02:44.54 | obnauticus | Wyzard, I'm already registerd |
| 02:44.56 | obnauticus | registered* |
| 02:44.56 | obnauticus | hold on |
| 02:45.06 | Wyzard | obnauticus: then you should've gotten an email with the serial number |
| 02:45.23 | obnauticus | No, I didn't |
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| 02:45.29 | obnauticus | i just went strait to download :/ |
| 02:45.37 | Wyzard | then you didn't register |
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| 02:45.53 | PythonNinja | YAY! mocp works again now :D |
| 02:46.16 | PythonNinja | now all i have to do is convince bloody apt not to try to update it |
| 02:46.22 | Perhaps | Has anyone run into a problem with the latest proftpd-mysql package not functioning correctly? |
| 02:46.31 | Wyzard | petriborg: You could do it the way you mentioned earlier, installing to another disk, then setting up the encrypted RAID manually and copying everything over to it |
| 02:47.38 | Wyzard | petriborg: After copying to the encrypted array, chroot into the copy and run update-initramfs, and it'll generate a new initramfs which correctly handles the RAID and crypto |
| 02:48.21 | theholyduck | where do "apt-get install -d" download its files? |
| 02:48.24 | petriborg | wyzard have you tried re-stripping in a new drive w/ your encrypted configuration? |
| 02:48.54 | mavenjinx | i think its from the distro site for you version |
| 02:48.54 | Wyzard | petriborg: No, but I've restriped other Linux RAID-5 arrays, and the contents of the array (encrypted LVM or whatever) are irrelevant to the process |
| 02:49.06 | zythmer | PythonNinja: There are no bugs filed against moc with your problem. |
| 02:49.35 | PythonNinja | zythmer: i suspect it's not a problem with moc, i'm getting wierd compile errors lately too, i suspect that this machine is a bit crazy |
| 02:49.55 | PythonNinja | is there a command to make apt erase all the deb's it's downloaded? |
| 02:50.03 | Wyzard | PythonNinja: apt-get clean |
| 02:50.15 | hatter | why would a box that is connected to the network return 'destination host unreachable' ? when others on the same subnet ping fine ? |
| 02:50.22 | Wyzard | PythonNinja: or the "erase downloaded files" menu command in aptitude |
| 02:50.45 | PythonNinja | thanks :) |
| 02:50.52 | Wyzard | hatter: loose cable, bad cable, interface is down, etc. |
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| 02:51.27 | Wyzard | petriborg: Are you doing the 2-disk RAID-5? |
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| 02:51.28 | wols | hatter: need more information |
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| 02:51.46 | hatter | 2 xp boxes, that should be replying to a ping but arent |
| 02:51.57 | Kevin` | Wyzard eh? 2 disk raid5? |
| 02:52.16 | Wyzard | petriborg: You could install onto one of the disks, then create a degraded 2-disk array (i.e. only one disk) on the other one, set up the crypto and transfer the system over to that, then add the first disk to the array so it's not degraded anymore |
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| 02:52.23 | wols | hatter: is there debian involved anywhere? |
| 02:52.33 | hatter | wols, of course :) |
| 02:52.37 | Wyzard | Kevin`: yep, it works and it's a good choice if you want 2-disk redundancy now but want to expand your array with additional disks later for more usable space |
| 02:52.44 | wols | from your description it doesn't sound like it |
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| 02:52.56 | petriborg | wyzard - i haven't decided yet - i'm still googling around for docs about the process so that i don't fuck it up ;-) |
| 02:52.57 | hatter | the gateway is my debian box |
| 02:53.19 | Kevin` | Wyzard it will actually let you have redundancy with two disks, or do you have to start it degraded |
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| 02:53.34 | Wyzard | Kevin`: since Linux software RAID-5 arrays can be restriped to add additional disks |
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| 02:53.42 | wols | hatter: a) still not enough info at all b) unless the traffic actually moves through the debian box not even a remote debian connection |
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| 02:53.50 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I'm not talking about a degraded 3-disk array, I'm talking about an actual 2-disk RAID-5 array |
| 02:53.58 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Its degraded mode would be 1 disk |
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| 02:54.07 | Kevin` | interesting. I didn't think that was possible for some reason I can't seem to remember |
| 02:54.29 | Wyzard | Kevin`: It's not very *sensible*, since it's basically RAID-1 but with more CPU overhead |
| 02:54.36 | Wyzard | Kevin`: but it can make sense if you plan to add more disks later |
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| 02:55.10 | Wyzard | Kevin`: When you add disks to a RAID-1, you gain more redundancy but no additional usable space; when you add disks to a RAID-5 you gain more usable space but no additional redundancy |
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| 02:58.29 | petriborg | wyzard - my current sort of 'idea' is to install the system onto one of the other currently blank 200gb drives i have... then make the currently blank 500gb drive into a degraded raid-5 w/ encryption... then copy the data over and then add the disk back to the raid... |
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| 02:58.58 | Wyzard | petriborg: You have what, two 200GB drives and one 500GB drive? |
| 02:59.08 | jorgenpt | So dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/common-password tells me no package installed this file. Where does it come from, and how can I regenerate it? |
| 02:59.11 | petriborg | 3x200 2x500 |
| 02:59.18 | petriborg | previously 4x200 :( |
| 02:59.53 | Wyzard | petriborg: hmm... so you could make a 5x200 RAID-5, but you'd have a pair of 300GB partitions that you'd have to find a use for |
| 03:00.04 | petriborg | yeah :/ |
| 03:00.44 | Wyzard | petriborg: Disks of different sizes are a pain... in my old box I added drives incrementally over the years, and ended up with two 20GB drives, one 80GB drive, one 120GB drive, and one 200GB drive |
| 03:00.47 | petriborg | so i figure i'd be better off getting a 3rd 500 in a couple of weeks |
| 03:00.50 | Wyzard | petriborg: couldn't do any sort of useful RAID with them |
| 03:01.16 | Wyzard | petriborg: That's why when I built my new box I decided to plan for the future and just bought 3x750GB up-front |
| 03:01.22 | petriborg | yeah |
| 03:01.36 | Wyzard | (they cost about $1000 USD though...) |
| 03:01.48 | wols | jorgenpt: http://paste.debian.net/42155 it's probably create via debconf or such |
| 03:01.53 | petriborg | the 500gb disks were only 105$ each which is why i got them |
| 03:01.56 | Wyzard | petriborg: If I need more space later I just add another 750 |
| 03:01.58 | hatter | Wyzard, what is the warranty ? |
| 03:02.09 | Wyzard | hatter: 5 years |
| 03:02.35 | Wyzard | They're Seagate 7200.10s |
| 03:02.38 | petriborg | how well does your debian run w/ only that small root partition? |
| 03:02.48 | jorgenpt | wols: I need more of the files in /etc/pam.d, any way to make libpam-runtime regenerate the files? |
| 03:02.52 | Wyzard | petriborg: The 100MB partition is /boot, not / |
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| 03:03.05 | Wyzard | petriborg: The root filesystem is 50GB, which is more than I really need but I have no shortage of space |
| 03:03.11 | petriborg | oooh duh that makes sense ;-) |
| 03:03.18 | Wyzard | petriborg: /home is 600GB and the rest is currently unallocated |
| 03:03.49 | petriborg | so did you loose 50gb out of your raid or is your / part of that |
| 03:04.03 | Wyzard | The root is part of that |
| 03:04.22 | Wyzard | Both filesystems are LVM logical volumes on the 1.5TB encrypted RAID array |
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| 03:04.28 | wols | jorgenpt: dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 03:04.29 | petriborg | right |
| 03:04.37 | _SKiTZO | im new to debian. while trying to install apache2 i went into some trouble and decided to start over fresh, so i did apt-get remove apache2 and deleted /etc/apache2 + /etc/init.d/apache2. i later reinstalled with apt-get install apache2 but /etc/init.d/apache2 did not get installed |
| 03:04.42 | Wyzard | The only space I "lose" is the two unused 100MB partitions on the second and third disks |
| 03:04.43 | _SKiTZO | what am i doing wrong? |
| 03:04.44 | petriborg | i'm starting to understand this :-) pretty complex though |
| 03:04.45 | jorgenpt | wols: Ok, thanks. |
| 03:04.53 | wols | !tell skala about confmiss |
| 03:05.08 | wols | skala: easiest way ist to rmove apache2 again but this time purge it |
| 03:05.11 | CompWizrd | i just bought 4 1TB 7200.11's, they're bloody cheap now, figured it was time to upgrade |
| 03:05.12 | jorgenpt | wols: Hm, doesn't work. But I can fix it by manually copying the files. |
| 03:05.22 | jorgenpt | It stores them in /usr/share/pam/$configfile :-) |
| 03:05.42 | _SKiTZO | wols apt-get purge apache2? |
| 03:06.18 | wols | skala: all of apache2 |
| 03:06.36 | wols | apache2 has more than one package |
| 03:06.47 | jorgenpt | Wow, the fun problems of accidentally rm-ing half of /etc |
| 03:07.05 | petriborg | wyzard - you should definitely make a web page detailing the install/setup process i bet a lot of people would find it useful :-) |
| 03:07.12 | zythmer | CompWizrd: How much for each? |
| 03:07.16 | Wyzard | petriborg: The reason I made a separate 3x1GB RAID-0 for swap, rather than making another logical volume on the RAID-5, is because the swapspace is encrypted separately, with a random key chosen at boot time |
| 03:07.26 | _SKiTZO | wols: when i do apt-get install apache2 that will not target the same packages as apt-ger remove apache2? |
| 03:07.34 | Wyzard | petriborg: (so that after the system is shut down, the key is forgotten from RAM and the contents of the swapspace are unrecoverable) |
| 03:07.44 | wols | _SKiTZO: it will but it won't solve your problem |
| 03:07.54 | wols | dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 03:07.55 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep apache |
| 03:08.03 | wols | dpkg: shuddup |
| 03:08.03 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 03:08.06 | CompWizrd | zythmer: under 300 USD |
| 03:08.06 | Wyzard | petriborg: and putting that on the RAID-5, which is already encrypted (with a static passphrase), seemed silly |
| 03:08.07 | petriborg | yeah that sounds exactly like what i'd like to do if i can find enough documentation to do it |
| 03:08.22 | _SKiTZO | !tell _SKiTZO about confmiss |
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| 03:09.06 | sdubois92 | how can i remove gnome and all the little programs it comes with (games, media players) |
| 03:09.19 | Wyzard | petriborg: Random-encrypted swap is pretty easy -- create an entry in /etc/crypttab with "/dev/random cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,size=256,swap" as the keyfile and options |
| 03:09.43 | Wyzard | petriborg: The full line for the swap in my crypttab is "crypt1 /dev/md1 /dev/random cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,size=256,swap" |
| 03:09.57 | Wyzard | petriborg: and /dev/mapper/crypt1 is the swap device in /etc/fstab |
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| 03:10.50 | Wyzard | petriborg: (The installer supports creating random-encrypted swap devices, too) |
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| 03:11.24 | _SKiTZO | wols: ok. apt get does not understand the word "purge" so how to i completely remove apache2? |
| 03:12.13 | petriborg | so you basically went in and 1. made a 100MB partition, a 1G partition, and the rest for the raid-5 on each box |
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| 03:12.15 | hatter | Wyzard, do you know which config file i can change to alter the amount of RAM vmware server can use ? |
| 03:12.27 | _SKiTZO | i also tried apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 but it did not bring back /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 03:13.04 | petriborg | then 2. setup a raid-5 and raid-0 for the the main / and swap (respectively) |
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| 03:13.28 | Armadillio | hey guys, you know that three pack of DVDs you can use to install Debian with? |
| 03:13.49 | wols | skala: cause it's the wrong package |
| 03:13.49 | petriborg | then 3. setup an encrypted vol on the raid 5 (i assume w/ some sort of USB key system), and a random encrypted swap on the raid-0 |
| 03:13.55 | wols | _SKiTZO: ^^ |
| 03:14.05 | petriborg | w/ LVM ontop of all of that |
| 03:14.08 | Armadillio | i'm just wondering if I only need the first one for installation and the rest are packages, or if I need all three for installation |
| 03:14.11 | wols | apa-che2 has several packages as I already told you. dpkg -l |grep apache2 |
| 03:14.42 | Wyzard | hatter: I'm not sure about setting the total limit for all VMs, but you can change the RAM allocation for each individual VM in its settings window |
| 03:14.55 | wols | Armadillio: you only need a single 150MB iso if you wish so. first CD or DVD is enough. anything on the others will be downloaded automatically when needed via aptitude |
| 03:15.07 | petriborg | wyzard - Extended offline Completed: read failure 10% 19650 11440 |
| 03:15.14 | petriborg | i assume this means the drive is f00ked |
| 03:15.15 | Wyzard | petriborg: yep, bad drive |
| 03:15.18 | petriborg | k |
| 03:15.22 | Armadillio | thanks, didn't want to spend more time on windows waiting for other two dvd packages to torrent |
| 03:15.23 | wols | very much so petriborg |
| 03:15.27 | Wyzard | petriborg: Hopefully it's under warranty |
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| 03:15.53 | Wyzard | petriborg: and you're correct about my setup, except I don't use any sort of USB key; I just type the passphrase at startup |
| 03:16.04 | hatter | Wyzard, yeah, i am looking for the one that lets you tell vmserver how much ram it can have , apprently its in a gui config but i imagine there is a config file for it |
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| 03:16.22 | Wyzard | petriborg: I'm not sure if mkinitramfs supports reading crypto key from USB drives |
| 03:16.43 | Wyzard | hatter: All of VMware's settings are in files under /etc/vmware |
| 03:16.58 | Wyzard | hatter: and /etc/vmware/locations contains most of the options, much more than just locations of things |
| 03:17.05 | hatter | Wyzard, cool, i'll have another look |
| 03:17.26 | Wyzard | hatter: That file gets appended each time you run vwmare-configure -- existing lines are untouched, but they're overridden by the new lines added at the end |
| 03:18.09 | sdubois92 | how can i remove gnome and all the little programs it comes with (games, media players) |
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| 03:18.28 | Unwise | mkinitramfs needs a few mods to allow it, but the tools are there in sid for reading crypto key for loop-aes |
| 03:19.06 | n3kl | Hi. Anyone know why I can dig @m.root-servers.net . ns ? |
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| 03:19.23 | esaym | do I need an smp kernel to take full advantage of intel p4 ht cpu? |
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| 03:19.43 | Wyzard | esaym: Yes, but all Debian's kernels support SMP |
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| 03:20.52 | esaym | ok thanks, this ubuntu 6.06 though. friend's computer so don't yell at me! :p |
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| 03:21.11 | Wyzard | sdubois92: That's not straightforward to do unless you installed GNOME with aptitude (so it set the auto flags on all the dependencies) |
| 03:21.11 | Sazpaimon | alright, I'm retarded, is there an idiot-proof guide on setting up an svn server? |
| 03:21.12 | DawnLight | i love debian |
| 03:21.18 | _SKiTZO | wols: thanks alot. got alot wizer atlast. |
| 03:21.19 | esaym | it uses that 368 kernel not sure if it has smp /proc/cpuinfo only displays 1 cpu |
| 03:21.22 | sobersabre | hi, where do I add in /etc/network/interfaces ifconfig options ? |
| 03:21.27 | Wyzard | esaym: I believe Ubuntu's kernels all support SMP too, but #ubuntu would be the place to ask about that, not here |
| 03:21.37 | sobersabre | I've read man interfaces, I don't see the instrucion. |
| 03:21.38 | esaym | true |
| 03:21.40 | esaym | thank you |
| 03:21.40 | Sazpaimon | I've got ViewVC installed and a repository added to it, do I just need to svn commit my first source branch or what? |
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| 03:23.50 | xacier | what is the util to test my opengl? |
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| 03:24.10 | Wyzard | xacier: glxgears and glxinfo, both in the mesa-utils package |
| 03:24.41 | wols | _SKiTZO: solved the problem then? |
| 03:24.58 | wols | Wyzard: not all support SMP. the installer kernel (486) doesn't |
| 03:25.25 | Wyzard | wols: Well, I doubt anyone cares about hyperthreading support in the installer :-) |
| 03:25.45 | wols | the trouble is sometimes the installer kernel stays on the machine for whatever reason :( |
| 03:25.45 | Wyzard | wols: good to know though |
| 03:25.50 | wols | in which case, no SMP |
| 03:25.55 | unix_infidel | if i have a partition with only about 10GB of used space for the OS |
| 03:25.57 | wols | same thing with "Missing" RAM |
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| 03:26.04 | unix_infidel | is it reasonable to have a backup partition for images at about 20GB? |
| 03:26.13 | unix_infidel | bimonthly images. |
| 03:26.38 | Wyzard | unix_infidel: If you don't mind being able to fit only two backups at a time, sure |
| 03:26.56 | unix_infidel | Wyzard: well this isnt exactly a high throughput production environment. |
| 03:27.10 | unix_infidel | i'm just curious as to any minute fallacies in this backup policy. |
| 03:27.20 | wols | how can one backup a partition? if I hear "partition" I think "same drive" in which case it's no backup |
| 03:27.21 | _SKiTZO | wols: i came further but now my apache config is totally screwed |
| 03:27.26 | unix_infidel | i'm obviously aware of the big blaring ones. |
| 03:27.39 | wols | _SKiTZO: purge all apache2 packages and start over. |
| 03:27.39 | unix_infidel | wols: i'm using partimage, part of the sysrescuecd. |
| 03:27.41 | _SKiTZO | wols: but now i understand how it works so it wont be long before i get it right :P |
| 03:27.44 | petriborg | hey wyzard did you bother to setup any fallback key type stuff? |
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| 03:27.51 | _SKiTZO | yep thats what im doing |
| 03:27.52 | wols | _SKiTZO: pastebin the output of dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 03:28.25 | Wyzard | petriborg: I use LUKS, which has the ability to define up to ten keys for the same device, but I only have one of them defined |
| 03:28.45 | petriborg | don't you have to define them before ? |
| 03:28.59 | Wyzard | petriborg: If I were sharing the computer with other people, each would have their own passphrase to unlock the LUKS volume |
| 03:29.02 | _SKiTZO | wols: http://rafb.net/p/5NT9ff49.html |
| 03:29.16 | Wyzard | petriborg: You define the initial passphrase when you create the LUKS volume; you can add other ones later |
| 03:29.59 | wols | _SKiTZO: dpkg -r --purge all packages with apache2 in its name |
| 03:30.04 | unix_infidel | anyone? |
| 03:30.22 | wols | if you can't do it, apt-get remove apache2.2-common first, thne purge the "apache2" packages |
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| 03:30.40 | petriborg | wyzard - ever look at http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/raid5-dm-crypt-lvm-ext3-debian-install-and-benchmarks |
| 03:30.55 | _SKiTZO | wols: will i be able to list many on one line? |
| 03:30.57 | wols | unix_infidel: is the data and the backup on the same harddisk? |
| 03:31.05 | wols | _SKiTZO: yes |
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| 03:32.38 | unix_infidel | wols: no, data is being backed up using another method. |
| 03:32.45 | unix_infidel | this is purely for emergency OS restoration. |
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| 03:33.43 | Wyzard | petriborg: never seen that page before |
| 03:35.50 | unix_infidel | for a 160GB drive, i'm thinking 15GB for a portable linux distro, 40GB for media, 20-25GB for image backups (bi-monthly), and some left over for random storage / backup. |
| 03:36.41 | parentheses | I just searched for smartctl on packages.debian.org in all sections and it said nothing found. huh/ |
| 03:36.44 | parentheses | ? |
| 03:37.08 | zythmer | parentheses: smartmontools |
| 03:37.09 | parentheses | ah it is in smartmontools |
| 03:37.20 | parentheses | thanks zy, just figured that out.... |
| 03:37.46 | parentheses | but the link on the smartmontools home page to packages.debian is definitely broken |
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| 03:41.40 | d0uglas | Hi. Any such thing as ms exchange-like push email serving for linux? |
| 03:42.32 | Guerin | they call it `cron' |
| 03:44.54 | Penix | Active Cron Studio 2008 |
| 03:45.33 | Guerin | .NET |
| 03:46.16 | Guerin | Penix: anyway, this late in the year it'd be 2009 |
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| 03:46.53 | parentheses | (they might as well just call it 2012 since the world is supposed to end then anyway) |
| 03:47.24 | Guerin | Penix: but then they wouldn't be able to force people intu worthless upgrades for the next five years! They'd go bankrupt! |
| 03:47.29 | Guerin | parentheses: ↑ |
| 03:47.29 | wols | it does? rapture so soon? |
| 03:47.56 | Wyzard | d0uglas: IMAP has an optional push feature, I believe, though I don't think it's widely supported |
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| 03:48.03 | wols | Guerin: you have another 4 years to ruin your credit. or hold of doing it for another 4 years |
| 03:48.37 | wols | Wyzard: how could that work? by keeping the connection open forever? |
| 03:48.58 | Wyzard | wols: As long as the client's running, yes |
| 03:49.05 | parentheses | If you heard Bernanke's testimony last week your credit might not matter in 4 MONTHS |
| 03:49.05 | Wyzard | wols: Many clients do that anyway |
| 03:49.08 | parentheses | :-P |
| 03:49.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:49.19 | wols | parentheses: only for merkins |
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| 03:49.58 | wols | but the USD had it coming for decades now. the repercussions will be awful tho |
| 03:50.38 | unix_infidel | wols: heh, the problem is its going to be bad for everyone. |
| 03:50.52 | unix_infidel | you think the EU is paying premium for living in europe right now :-P |
| 03:51.14 | wols | unix_infidel: huh? why are we paying a premium? |
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| 03:51.18 | Guerin | unix_infidel: everyone except the chinese |
| 03:51.35 | unix_infidel | Guerin: especially the chinese. |
| 03:51.48 | unix_infidel | what do you think their returns are getting demoninated in :-P |
| 03:52.14 | Guerin | unix_infidel: don't matter. They call in their debt and ther US *still* goes bust. |
| 03:52.27 | Guerin | this just gives them an opportunity to do so without causing ww3 |
| 03:52.45 | heatman | hello, could someone help me? I just installed etch on my old Dell. Now im having difficultues with my video card. I have two line in the middle of screen which prevents me to see the entire screen. Any idean what i can do? |
| 03:52.51 | parentheses | (They'll ljust send a couple subs over to collect the cash) |
| 03:53.02 | unix_infidel | if everyone didnt know we have a chan called ##finance. |
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| 03:53.22 | Guerin | (the major thing preventing the chinee from a. calling in their debt or b. reinvesting in the euro has been the Strats of Taiwan issue, which the US can use a a pretext for war at any time it likes) |
| 03:53.34 | emma | I'm using ubuntu now . I want to eventually switch over to Debian. What is the way to do that in a smooth way without losing data and stuff like that? |
| 03:53.52 | parentheses | (isn't that really a #ubuntu question?) |
| 03:53.58 | unix_infidel | a girl using linux? |
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| 03:54.06 | emma | what's that supposed to mean? |
| 03:54.09 | abrotman | unix_infidel: it doesn't matter |
| 03:54.14 | Guerin | emma: backups. other than that, it's very easy |
| 03:54.16 | abrotman | emma: back up your data before you do the install |
| 03:54.16 | parentheses | emma- #ubuntu-women |
| 03:54.23 | abrotman | parentheses: wtf |
| 03:54.33 | parentheses | it is an actual channel abrotman |
| 03:54.42 | abrotman | emma: if your /home/ is on another partition .. you can just install and not format that partition |
| 03:54.45 | Guerin | emma: it means he's never met a girl before, in real life. don't let it get to ya. |
| 03:54.52 | parentheses | haha G, you' |
| 03:54.58 | parentheses | youre not in NY are you/ |
| 03:54.58 | parentheses | ? |
| 03:54.59 | abrotman | parentheses: NO SHIT .. it doesn't matter .. emma asked a question .. quit being a tard |
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| 03:55.05 | Guerin | anyway |
| 03:55.21 | parentheses | was kidding, s'ok |
| 03:55.23 | punsad | can I run etch and use 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:55.29 | Guerin | believing someone is a woman, or american, or 18, just by their irc nick is plain stupidity |
| 03:55.31 | abrotman | punsad: you can try .. it's not supported |
| 03:55.38 | parentheses | ^ |
| 03:55.46 | punsad | abrotman:hmmm... interesting |
| 03:55.53 | Guerin | parentheses: yep, it's possible. I do on one box. |
| 03:55.54 | Wyzard | punsad: ...why would you want to? |
| 03:56.00 | Guerin | punsad: yep, it's possible. I do on one box. |
| 03:56.14 | Guerin | (i have to support a particularly evil modem on that box) |
| 03:56.35 | parentheses | silly question, have you considered replacing the modem? |
| 03:56.47 | Guerin | parentheses: yes. |
| 03:56.58 | punsad | Wyzard: well.. I've got a 10year old PC and it wouldn't boot with etch netinstall... found (luckily) a 3.1r6 netinst online and it worked without a charm... I'm pretty some hw support that I need was left out with the stock kernel |
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| 03:57.06 | wols | Guerin: the major reason the chinese don't call in the debt is that they want to continue to sell nice shiny leadpoisoned plastics to the US |
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| 03:57.20 | wols | if they call in the debt their own economy severely crashes |
| 03:57.32 | Guerin | wols: yes. That's it. The Trojan Horse theorem. |
| 03:57.33 | abrotman | wols: apparently GWB has been sucking on toys |
| 03:57.37 | punsad | I suppose I could try to compile 2.6 kernel and see if it will boot with my sarge install.. if it does, then use that kernel config for etch kernel recompile |
| 03:57.58 | Guerin | wols: how about them conspiracy theories. |
| 03:58.00 | punsad | yey/ney? |
| 03:58.05 | Wyzard | punsad: It'd be better to determine why etch doesn't boot, and see if you can address that problem |
| 03:58.17 | Guerin | punsad: kernel configs don't migrate between major versions. |
| 03:58.20 | wols | Guerin: I didn't say it was a conspiracy or such |
| 03:58.32 | Guerin | wols: not in so many words. |
| 03:58.36 | wols | simply that china is dependent on the US importing lots of stuff from them for their own economy |
| 03:58.42 | punsad | Wyzard: since I can't boot, I'm a little limited in what I can look at, no? |
| 03:58.48 | punsad | it varies on where it will hang. |
| 03:58.48 | wols | and as soon as the US can't afford that anymore, china goes bust |
| 03:58.56 | jimmybgood | punsad: just compile the kernel you want and don't worry about etch's kernel. I've used Debian for 6 years and have never used a Debian kernel |
| 03:59.01 | simonrvn | *poof* |
| 03:59.09 | parentheses | looking over desk at all the Chinese made computer parts |
| 03:59.13 | punsad | sometimes hangs at some FDC message... sometimes after AGP something or other |
| 03:59.17 | simonrvn | people don't realize how close they are to collapse |
| 03:59.21 | Guerin | wols: not quite so simple. |
| 03:59.24 | xacier | what is the best non-kde and non-gnome calendar app? |
| 03:59.34 | parentheses | simon- China ?? |
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| 03:59.53 | parentheses | xacier- I think Google has one. |
| 04:00.07 | xacier | hmm |
| 04:00.11 | xacier | yahoo too |
| 04:00.22 | xacier | how about local app? |
| 04:00.24 | punsad | jimmybgood: are you on 2.6 kernel? or 2.4? |
| 04:00.31 | jimmybgood | 2.6.20 |
| 04:01.10 | punsad | there are thankfully still some oldstable mirrors out there for me |
| 04:01.19 | parentheses | (dunno xacier) |
| 04:01.21 | wols | punsad: not for long |
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| 04:02.07 | punsad | I wonder what the risks are in running 2.4 kernel with etch. I'm sure something would break,just wondering on how easy it would be to work around it |
| 04:02.19 | punsad | wols:yeah |
| 04:02.33 | jimmybgood | punsad: give it a try and let us know |
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| 04:02.51 | ricky_ | does anyone know whats going on when i compile a kernel and when i boot it it stop and say something about cdrom 3.20? |
| 04:02.52 | wols | punsad: etch doesn't actually require udev |
| 04:03.02 | punsad | I think 2.6 kernel is in the base install, so I'd have to somehow hold that package back |
| 04:03.07 | Unwise | anybody run BOINC? |
| 04:03.14 | wols | things that would break are automounting, possibly missing support for some usb devices or devices in general, etc |
| 04:03.17 | punsad | wols: that's good to know |
| 04:03.51 | liable | Unwise: ya, why? |
| 04:03.53 | wols | punsad: if you really want to run 2.4 (bad idea imho but your choice. better to see why 2.6 is failing), get a vanilla kernel source and compile it. 2.4 is still maintained by kernel.org |
| 04:03.54 | punsad | All I need is cdrom/hdd and ethernet functionality :) |
| 04:04.11 | punsad | wols: how do I trouble shoot if I can't boot? |
| 04:04.20 | Unwise | Can't seem to connect... |
| 04:04.30 | wols | by tryinbg various boot options. by googling for your POS dell hardware, etc |
| 04:04.32 | jimmybgood | punsad: you can install a 2.6 and then compile a 2.4 and boot to either |
| 04:04.37 | wols | googling for your chipset/cpu |
| 04:04.41 | punsad | been there don that |
| 04:04.55 | punsad | all results point to 2.6 too new |
| 04:05.02 | wols | punsad: what boot options did you try |
| 04:05.14 | ricky_ | does anyone knows whats the best way to compile a kernel debian way or ordinary way? |
| 04:05.19 | punsad | noapic no387 singlemode |
| 04:05.21 | wols | I rand 2.6 on a 486 not long ago so I doubt 2.6 is too "new" |
| 04:05.36 | wols | acpi=off should be used too |
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| 04:05.42 | wols | what hardware is it? |
| 04:06.05 | wols | punsad: if you can install sarge, do it and install both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. then try around |
| 04:06.05 | punsad | GIGABYTE mobo, circa '98. amdk6II. |
| 04:06.09 | liable | Unwise: iirc, i registered with the web site and feed boinc a url/code |
| 04:06.17 | punsad | wols: that's what I'm thinking |
| 04:06.19 | wols | punsad: what chipset? |
| 04:06.26 | punsad | dunno. |
| 04:06.32 | xacier | me compaq pent2 450 |
| 04:06.37 | wols | and you said you googled it alrady? I doubt it |
| 04:06.38 | xacier | not even pent3 |
| 04:06.42 | punsad | is there some proc file that'll tell me that? |
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| 04:06.54 | wols | man lspci |
| 04:06.57 | punsad | I googled the message shown when it hangs |
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| 04:07.44 | punsad | is lspci the only way to find out chipset? |
| 04:07.59 | punsad | google doesn't count |
| 04:08.05 | wols | there are others |
| 04:08.10 | punsad | like what |
| 04:08.13 | wols | but lspci is the easiest. any reason you can't use it? |
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| 04:08.32 | punsad | just like to know my options |
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| 04:09.05 | punsad | wols: what are the other options |
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| 04:09.29 | punsad | does pci span all chipset info? |
| 04:09.44 | wols | your options are to do as I asked or tell someone else your problems |
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| 04:10.33 | Guerin | if it ain't pci, it ain't worth caring about |
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| 04:10.45 | punsad | Guerin: interesting |
| 04:11.54 | punsad | well... I actually get past the chipset loading if lspci gives me all the info about my chipset |
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| 04:12.20 | heatman | where can i find ATI drivers for Debian? Seems like im having difficulties with it... I have streak that duplicates parts of my screen which need to be fixed! |
| 04:12.35 | punsad | it hangs after floppy disk service loads and sometimes after AGP service loads |
| 04:12.48 | Guerin | heatman: which drivers? |
| 04:13.01 | heatman | Guerin: sec |
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| 04:13.49 | punsad | thanks all (you too wols) |
| 04:14.04 | heatman | Guerin: its for a Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x... onboard video card on my laptop |
| 04:14.13 | blue_asterisk | hi, anybody happen to be running tomcat5.5 on debian? how can I find the password for the tomcat administration? |
| 04:14.26 | Guerin | heatman: use the `radeon' driver |
| 04:15.08 | heatman | and where may i find such driver... is it in the debian repo? im new to debian so sry |
| 04:15.18 | Guerin | heatman: aptitude search radeon |
| 04:15.45 | heatman | Guerin: ok ty |
| 04:15.45 | Guerin | heatman: otherwise do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:16.06 | wols | heatman: what ati card do you have? |
| 04:16.27 | wols | or rather: what chip? |
| 04:16.27 | heatman | Rage Mobility M3 AgP 2x |
| 04:16.42 | Guerin | oh, rage |
| 04:16.47 | Guerin | my brain told me radeon |
| 04:16.50 | heatman | lol dunno just bought this pc as a backup today |
| 04:16.50 | wols | radeon or ati driver as Guerin said then. comes with debian. |
| 04:16.58 | wols | Guerin: it's all the same now |
| 04:17.08 | Guerin | hm |
| 04:17.26 | wols | heatman: I think it's called "ati" in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:17.57 | heatman | wols: so it should be configure how to be exact? |
| 04:18.07 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:18.48 | wols | heatman: if that doesn't work, try vesa for a change |
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| 04:19.27 | heatman | command not find |
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| 04:20.59 | wols | heatman: you need to be root |
| 04:21.19 | heatman | lol oops that would help! |
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| 04:21.37 | xacier_ | what is a good race game? |
| 04:21.54 | abrotman | xacier_: apt-cache search |
| 04:22.10 | Wyzard | xacier: torcs is one that I've heard of, though I've never played it and don't know of any others |
| 04:22.55 | abrotman | torcs is fairly good .. though i've not played it in awhile |
| 04:23.36 | xacier_ | :_) |
| 04:23.47 | abrotman | xacier_: or check happypenguin.org |
| 04:23.57 | xacier_ | thx |
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| 04:27.03 | DawnLight | torcs sucks :) |
| 04:27.48 | Wyzard | tuxracer is a racing game :-) |
| 04:27.55 | Wyzard | though it's called planetpenguin-racer now |
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| 04:28.14 | DawnLight | i want my force feedback wheel to work in linux |
| 04:28.25 | jimmybgood | anybody get ncq working with an etch kernel? |
| 04:28.42 | Wyzard | jimmybgood: It depends on what type of SATA controller you have |
| 04:28.46 | Wyzard | jimmybgood: It works for AHCI |
| 04:28.49 | jimmybgood | ahci |
| 04:29.04 | jimmybgood | actually, i haven't bought it yet |
| 04:29.12 | jimmybgood | it's for a server at work |
| 04:29.48 | Wyzard | I have AHCI (Intel ICH8) and NCQ and hotplug both work |
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| 04:30.06 | wols | are there still non-AHCI controllers or drives out there to buy? |
| 04:30.07 | jimmybgood | Wyzard: thanks for the input. glad to hear it |
| 04:30.12 | Wyzard | I'm running 2.6.22 now, but was using etch's 2.6.18 back when this machine was first set up |
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| 04:30.33 | Wyzard | and I didn't actually try out the hotplug back then, but I'm pretty sure the driver did say NCQ was enabled when it started up |
| 04:30.48 | Wyzard | wols: Lots of SATA controllers aren't AHCI |
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| 04:31.43 | libervisco | lame :( |
| 04:31.43 | Wyzard | wols: and it's not applicable to drives |
| 04:31.54 | xacier_ | torcs just aborted |
| 04:32.01 | xacier_ | jeez some bugs maybe |
| 04:32.32 | libervisco | I looked at the package list and it said gnome-common 2.20.. then install testing and, nope, it's the outdated 2.18.. |
| 04:33.07 | Wyzard | libervisco: Maybe you were looking at the package listing for unstable? |
| 04:33.18 | libervisco | nope, it's the testing |
| 04:33.32 | libervisco | Wyzard, even synaptic says here 2.20 for gnome-common |
| 04:33.54 | Wyzard | If synaptic says 2.20, then 2.20 is what synaptic would install |
| 04:33.58 | Wyzard | Where did you get 2.18 from? |
| 04:34.46 | jimmybgood | libervisco: gnome-about is still 2.18 in testing, but the gnome is actually 2.20 |
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| 04:34.50 | libervisco | Wyzard, from "about gnome" |
| 04:35.16 | libervisco | jimmybgood, not exactly, because I still get the old configuration GUIs instead of the new "appearances" |
| 04:35.25 | libervisco | but looking at synaptic it seems to be mixed up |
| 04:35.28 | Wyzard | libervisco: ah... as jimmybgood pointed out, that's just a single program in a particular package, which isn't gnome-common |
| 04:35.50 | Wyzard | libervisco: then whatever package provides the configuration dialogs hasn't been updated to 2.20 yet either |
| 04:35.54 | Wyzard | libervisco: That's not gnome-common |
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| 04:36.21 | libervisco | Wyzard, so Debian actually puts stuff in testing one by one in GNOME instead of the whole suit at once? |
| 04:36.37 | Wyzard | libervisco: gnome-common seems to be a development package which doesn't actually contain any software |
| 04:36.40 | Wyzard | yes |
| 04:36.49 | Wyzard | in unstable, too |
| 04:36.56 | jimmybgood | libervisco: and you can one-by-one add them in if you want |
| 04:37.03 | Wyzard | Individual packages are updated as they become available and their dependencies are satisfied |
| 04:37.23 | libervisco | hmm ok.. |
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| 04:37.41 | libervisco | I just got hooked on 2.20 from Ubuntu, Fedora etc.. :) |
| 04:37.50 | libervisco | and I like newest stuff |
| 04:37.50 | jimmybgood | well, as long as you satisfy the dependencies |
| 04:38.55 | Wyzard | libervisco: testing is meant to be a staging ground to find bugs |
| 04:39.22 | Wyzard | libervisco: but it only has packages that have gone through some initial burn-in in unstable and found to be acceptable |
| 04:39.39 | Wyzard | libervisco: unstable has 2.20 (including the new config stuff), but it hasn't all migrated to testing yet |
| 04:39.44 | libervisco | yeah |
| 04:40.02 | libervisco | that's why I kind of hope testing is a sweet spot between hell and heaven in terms of stability :) |
| 04:40.13 | import | hey guys i have a problem, My uncle's computer is a laptop and well hes stuck behind hotel router. I usally offer a great support tech through freenx, but all the ports at the hotel are filtered i did a nmap on the addy and comes back all filtered. So i was wondering if there is a way to have him connect to my computer so i could fix it that way? He has a windows computer and i have debian. |
| 04:40.14 | _SKiTZO | i have managed to get sqlite3 support into php5. i have verified this by looking at phpinfo() output (sqlite 3.3.8 is enabled) |
| 04:40.28 | _SKiTZO | however all sqlite calls are "undefiend" |
| 04:40.33 | _SKiTZO | what am i doing wrong? |
| 04:40.47 | import | oh i forgot to mention we cant get any of the ports open so thats out of the question :( |
| 04:40.57 | wols | import: ssh port forwarding |
| 04:41.03 | Wyzard | import: He could install an SSH client and log into your computer that way, and use SSH's port-tunneling feature to establish a channel back to his own computer |
| 04:41.11 | _SKiTZO | im asking in this chan because im new to debian, and i would probably know how to fix this in gentoo |
| 04:41.32 | wols | skala: how did you enable sqlite3 support exactly? |
| 04:41.33 | Wyzard | _SKiTZO: How did you "manage to get sqlite3 support into php5"? |
| 04:42.09 | wols | !nickometer _SKiTZO |
| 04:42.11 | dpkg | '_SKiTZO' is 75.000% lame, wols |
| 04:42.34 | import | i was thinking along those lines i told him to get openssh for his computer so now i can get him to connect to my computer. how would i go about the other part port tunneling back? |
| 04:42.52 | Wyzard | import: Read about the "-R" option in the ssh manpage |
| 04:42.54 | wols | import: by using the proper parameters for ssh |
| 04:43.06 | Wyzard | import: Use it to tunnel some port on your computer to the appropriate port on his own computer |
| 04:43.08 | wols | import: for windows users, putty might be easier |
| 04:43.21 | import | aww okay |
| 04:43.38 | Wyzard | The ssh.com client is nicer than putty, though it's non-free |
| 04:44.00 | wols | nicer than putty? surely you jest! |
| 04:44.04 | _SKiTZO | Wyzard: i did apt-get php5-sqlite3; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart and reloaded my phpinfo(); file to verify that it mentioned sqlite |
| 04:44.19 | Wyzard | _SKiTZO: OK, that sounds like the right way to do it |
| 04:44.38 | _SKiTZO | Wyzard: but i still get undefined call to sqlite_open() |
| 04:44.39 | import | sounds good and that would bypass the router, you guys are always great with support thank you wyzard and wols. I appriciate it so much. |
| 04:45.11 | _SKiTZO | and this site is debugged (its tested code) |
| 04:46.38 | wols | import: maybe look into something like openvpn. makes it a lot easier on your uncle's side |
| 04:47.55 | import | wols well he has a rdesktop he can invite me to connect to his computer i didnt know if this would work because of the hotel router i could use freenx to connect to his vpn, But the router seems to be filtering all the ports. |
| 04:50.28 | import | aww im reading about openvpn right now |
| 04:51.01 | Nyle | hmm |
| 04:51.10 | Nyle | good evening |
| 04:52.44 | libervisco | So, what do you guys think are the advantages of Debian (say testing) over Ubuntu (say gutsy)? |
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| 04:53.02 | libervisco | I heard various inconclusive things.. like speed, but I'm not sure.. |
| 04:53.24 | libervisco | the first boot was actually rather scary :P |
| 04:53.51 | import | libervisco what are you looking for in a system |
| 04:55.03 | libervisco | recent stable software |
| 04:55.08 | import | they have a system called sidux its based on sid i think debian tossed the idea while another person thought it was great. Its packages are as recent as you waking up in the morning and its a livecd to harddrive install. |
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| 04:55.26 | libervisco | well I have a little list of my ideal requirements and the only thing that stands out is recent stable software as the rest is to a point met by both |
| 04:55.38 | import | so you can test it if you like then click a button to install it its really easy |
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| 04:56.26 | libervisco | import, I've been running sidux for a while.. what annoys me there are all the additional scripts needed to be run like some sort of a vaccine against sid, and also that they recommend not using synaptic |
| 04:56.50 | import | k well then why dont you try etch debian |
| 04:57.02 | libervisco | too old :) |
| 04:57.13 | libervisco | like every stable debian, it just moves to slow |
| 04:57.29 | import | what about mepis 7.0 |
| 04:57.44 | import | lol i have tried alot of things |
| 04:58.13 | import | mepis is pretty stable |
| 04:58.19 | Wyzard | libervisco: Debian is better for servers, but if you want a "latest and greatest" desktop then Ubuntu is better if you're looking for a polished install that "just works", and testing/unstable are better if you're a power user and want to tweak stuff |
| 04:58.20 | libervisco | I tried testing once before, and then after trying to compile a more recent kernel to support my hardware ended up on Ubuntu, now recently I've started distro hopping again, first Fedora, then Frugalware, then Fedora 8 again, Zenwalk and now Debian Testing :) |
| 04:58.23 | import | i ran with it for a long time its debian based |
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| 04:59.06 | libervisco | Wyzard, I have a feeling Ubuntu adds some bad bloat.. |
| 04:59.08 | DawnLight | libervisco: i'm a heavy desktop user, using kde in etch |
| 04:59.13 | import | pretty much what wyzard said sid has good up and up packages but also looks like you mess around alot |
| 04:59.18 | libervisco | and they aren't really "rolling release" |
| 04:59.33 | import | why dont you dfs |
| 04:59.40 | libervisco | dfs? |
| 04:59.40 | import | debian from scratch |
| 04:59.48 | libervisco | hmm |
| 04:59.51 | import | should look into it |
| 04:59.53 | DawnLight | !dfs |
| 04:59.54 | dpkg | somebody said dfs was Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 05:00.00 | Wyzard | libervisco: It installs GNOME by default and some people call that bloat, but for a desktop system Ubuntu seems fine to me |
| 05:00.40 | Wyzard | libervisco: I run sid on my main desktop (I'm very much a power user) and Ubuntu on secondary boxes that I don't intend to do any fine-tuning or long-term maintenance on |
| 05:01.19 | import | libervisco if you are changing out your kernel and all this other stuff why dont you just get debian from scratch its actually a pain in the ass but you make your system how you want it. |
| 05:01.22 | libervisco | I don't mean GNOME, just the stuff for example that breaks my booting because of the LCD monitor (apparently usplash is the culprit) or tieing up evolution to the desktop even after every effort to kill it or that same thing for other totally irrelevant processes etc.. |
| 05:01.41 | Wyzard | libervisco: if you're talking about evolution-data-server, that's not specific to Ubuntu |
| 05:02.06 | import | why dont you fix it instead of switching. apt-get remove evolution-data-server |
| 05:02.25 | import | then install again |
| 05:02.36 | Wyzard | It does some useful stuff though, and sits unobtrusively in the background |
| 05:02.37 | libervisco | hmm |
| 05:02.40 | import | i dont know lol im just trying to help |
| 05:02.42 | Wyzard | I've seen no reason to want to remove e-d-s |
| 05:03.08 | libervisco | You guys may be right, but switching back to Ubuntu again would kind of kill the whole point of wasting these days to find something better :P |
| 05:03.10 | Wyzard | and we don't even know if that's what libervisco was talking about |
| 05:03.48 | import | well my thoughts dfs, mepis 7.0,xbuntu, and sid darn with etch, well thats my thought in that order |
| 05:03.58 | jimmybgood | Wyzard: just curious, what useful stuff does e-d-s do |
| 05:04.41 | Wyzard | jimmybgood: provides integration with other apps, like Evolution scheduled appointments being highlighted in the calendar on the GNOME panel |
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| 05:05.42 | libervisco | So what you guys are saying is that Debian doesn't provide any real advantages over Ubuntu for a common desktop user? |
| 05:05.58 | libervisco | Is it at least to be considered usually faster? |
| 05:06.07 | Wyzard | libervisco: for a latest-and-greatest desktop for a non-power-user, Ubuntu is better IMO |
| 05:06.11 | import | debian from scratch is hard more experience user should use it. mepis 7.0 comes with everything and their sisters best friend susy q, xbuntu very light weight quick must be good with xfce, and sid well you know. then you have debain a little knowledge on installs partitioning getting a system lol well its all the same to me. |
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| 05:06.29 | Wyzard | libervisco: For a power user, testing/unstable are better, and for someone who needs reliability at the expense of latest-and-greatest, stable is better |
| 05:07.06 | import | wyzard you want reliable resierfs :P |
| 05:07.08 | libervisco | well I am experienced, just not too eager to mess with things.. not that I'd mind messing a little if that buys me some other advantages.. :) |
| 05:07.12 | import | all the way |
| 05:07.14 | import | j/k |
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| 05:07.18 | Nyle | hey man |
| 05:07.24 | eyeris | What is the name of the curses interface to rc-update? |
| 05:07.28 | Nyle | how long do you use a distro on average? |
| 05:07.39 | libervisco | Nyle, me? |
| 05:07.42 | Nyle | yes |
| 05:07.51 | Wyzard | Nyle: You mean time between reinstalls? Or something else? |
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| 05:08.03 | Nyle | I mean how long of a shot do you give a new distro |
| 05:08.14 | Nyle | it seems like you like to talk a lot and do little |
| 05:08.18 | Nyle | but that could be just me |
| 05:08.19 | Xenguy | eyeris: rcconf is one |
| 05:08.20 | import | :) |
| 05:08.40 | libervisco | Nyle, well I used Ubuntu for more than a year probably, but before that I also used Arch and Slackware all for about half a year.. |
| 05:08.43 | eyeris | Xenguy doh! Thanks. I was trying that. It looks like I never installed it :) |
| 05:08.47 | libervisco | but when I try new I give it a day or so :P |
| 05:08.54 | Xenguy | eyeris: :) |
| 05:08.56 | Nyle | that is what I figured |
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| 05:09.06 | brandon | hey |
| 05:09.13 | brandon | when i install apache i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44214/ |
| 05:09.16 | brandon | why? |
| 05:09.30 | Nyle | Wyzard: incidentally, same here |
| 05:09.35 | Nyle | 2001 for me |
| 05:09.40 | import | well look libervisco imo ubuntu is user friendly. they have all sorts of flavors ebuntu kbuntu xbuntu sexytimebuntu <------ if you find that one let me know |
| 05:09.54 | libervisco | hehe |
| 05:10.04 | Nyle | was told about debian by a college mate in 2000 who was with some cyberarmy.com hacker thing |
| 05:10.09 | import | but i cant figure out why their packages are breaking up |
| 05:10.19 | Nyle | I said ok i'll give a shot, so I got a copy of debian and well, been hooked ever since |
| 05:10.21 | import | what version were you running |
| 05:10.22 | Nyle | can't get away |
| 05:10.35 | import | of ubuntu |
| 05:10.36 | Wyzard | brandon: That's a summary message saying that something went wrong earlier... look earlier in the output for the real error message |
| 05:10.46 | Wyzard | brandon: "apache" is 1.x btw... you probably want "apache2" |
| 05:11.03 | Nyle | debian just makes computing fun |
| 05:11.35 | wols | Nyle: it only makes it not hurt as much |
| 05:11.47 | Nyle | eh? |
| 05:11.48 | libervisco | hmm one advantage I can think of Debian over Ubuntu is politics :D |
| 05:11.55 | jimmybgood | Nyle: Yeah, SuSE kept telling me to have fun, so I installed Debian |
| 05:11.57 | libervisco | er.. like Iceweasel instead of Firefox ;) |
| 05:12.02 | Nyle | no, its the quality and stability |
| 05:12.04 | libervisco | or no links to lynchpad |
| 05:12.06 | Nyle | ubuntu is NOT stab le |
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| 05:12.18 | libervisco | Nyle, well I mean testing or even sid :) |
| 05:12.18 | import | i have been using mepis 6.5 which isnt 6.5 any more i took it into my own hands to turn the os into mepsidux so now i get best of it all speed graphics and all the packages in the world on a daily basis awww i love my custom deb |
| 05:12.19 | Nyle | maybe the lts one is, i don't know abou tit |
| 05:12.27 | libervisco | I'd never run Debian Stable, seriously, it's just too old |
| 05:12.34 | wols | import: it is not debian |
| 05:12.37 | Nyle | dude, in my personal experience of years, SID even is more stable than ubuntu feisty or gusty |
| 05:12.39 | import | deb based |
| 05:12.43 | import | :) |
| 05:12.50 | Nyle | debian is king baby |
| 05:12.55 | Nyle | or queen, whatever floats your boat |
| 05:13.01 | libervisco | hmm interesting :) |
| 05:13.18 | import | check out mepis 7.0 beta, they are using debian etch packages :P |
| 05:13.23 | libervisco | when was the last time anything broke for you guys on sid? |
| 05:13.31 | import | neva |
| 05:13.33 | Nyle | but of course, I don't condone the use of sid if you don't know what you're getting into |
| 05:13.35 | libervisco | and how much effort exactly does it require to fix? |
| 05:13.52 | libervisco | I mean what am I to expect if I decide to go sid? |
| 05:13.53 | import | well maybe once at band camp but that was my fault |
| 05:13.59 | Nyle | heh, umm.. you will find this amusing |
| 05:14.01 | Wyzard | libervisco: major breakage is rare, but you learn a lot (by necessity) in the process of fixing it |
| 05:14.22 | libervisco | Any example of a major breakage? |
| 05:14.37 | Wyzard | libervisco: I think the last "serious" breakage I saw was a month or two ago when update-initramfs had a bug that caused it to produce an unbootable initramfs on my system |
| 05:14.38 | import | yep |
| 05:14.57 | Nyle | I am a pothead, right. Usually I get high. Once upon a time, last week, I got drunk and can't remember now what I was trying to do, but I ended up killing my entire debian sid box which hadn't been reinstalled in over 4 years |
| 05:15.02 | eyeris | How do I generate a new grub menu.lst file? |
| 05:15.04 | import | lol |
| 05:15.22 | Wyzard | libervisco: It got fixed, but the initramfs only actually gets regenerated when the kernel packages are updated, so I still had a broken initramfs, and didn't discover this until I tried to reboot |
| 05:15.24 | Nyle | wols was around that night |
| 05:15.34 | import | man thats nuts |
| 05:15.46 | Nyle | I think I was trying to compile a kernel and deleting stuff, and I forot which box I was logged into |
| 05:15.47 | libervisco | Wyzard, so you used a rescue cd of some sort? |
| 05:15.49 | Wyzard | libervisco: so I had to boot a liveCD to chroot in and fix it |
| 05:15.50 | Nyle | so I did it on the wrong box |
| 05:15.59 | Nyle | alcohol man, its the root of all evil |
| 05:16.00 | libervisco | Wyzard, ah, done that :) |
| 05:16.18 | libervisco | hmm |
| 05:16.27 | import | i had one of those kind of things happen to my friend but he got so drunk we left him with this chick and he couldnt remember anything, but he was explaining that when he woke up there wasnt a chick in sight and his ass hurt really bad.:P |
| 05:16.31 | libervisco | well I can do it, the only thing is it could be annoying :) |
| 05:16.48 | libervisco | you know, catching you in a bad time ("Oh I don't need a breakage, not just now" ) :) |
| 05:16.48 | Nyle | oh man thats just wrong |
| 05:16.51 | Wyzard | libervisco: Unfortunately I didn't have a liveCD handy -- normally I burn one on a rewritable disc when I need it, and erase it when I'm done, but the isos are all on the system that was unbootable |
| 05:16.51 | import | and theres your sign |
| 05:17.02 | Wyzard | libervisco: so I had to wait 40min to download and burn Ubuntu |
| 05:17.03 | Nyle | well sometimes it happens that nvidia is broken |
| 05:17.08 | Nyle | sometimes broken xorg packages are in sid |
| 05:17.21 | Nyle | sometimes there is a driver bug and hangs your system |
| 05:17.28 | Nyle | rarely |
| 05:17.32 | Nyle | not sometimes on the last one |
| 05:17.33 | Wyzard | libervisco: then the chroot failed, and I realized I'd downloaded 32-bit Ubuntu, whose kernel couldn't run the 64-bit binaries on my system, so I had to wait another 40min to download and burn 64-bit Ubuntu :-) |
| 05:17.36 | Nyle | but it has happened tome |
| 05:17.46 | libervisco | lol Wyzard |
| 05:17.56 | Nyle | Wyzard: what os do you run? |
| 05:18.01 | Nyle | or which ones |
| 05:18.04 | Wyzard | libervisco: As another example, a few years ago gnome-settings-daemon was broken for a few days in unstable, which made GNOME basically unusable during that time |
| 05:18.09 | Wyzard | Nyle: amd64 sid |
| 05:18.13 | Nyle | word |
| 05:18.17 | eyeris | nvm, update-grub... was looking for grub-update |
| 05:18.18 | Nyle | I am using kubuntu |
| 05:18.22 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:18.32 | libervisco | Wyzard, ah when that happens I guess xfce comes in handy :) |
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| 05:18.43 | Nyle | my internet was not here yet, and I had a kubuntu cd |
| 05:18.43 | import | lets all just drop this we can talk all day about what darn system is better but you really need to just go get one use it and then decide for your self no one will give a strieght answer because its all the matter of opinion. Read up on the system before you use it find out in forums whats going on or wrong. thats the best advice so far i think. |
| 05:18.48 | Nyle | thas my excuse |
| 05:19.20 | Nyle | but I have sid 32bit laptop, 2 sarge boxes, 1 etch box, and one xp |
| 05:19.20 | libervisco | import, well that's true.. but other's opinions help formulate my own :) |
| 05:19.31 | libervisco | if I just talk to myself and the documentation.. it ain't as much fun :P |
| 05:19.42 | Wyzard | libervisco: Minor quirks are more common, particularly as things change over time (switching from initrd to initramfs, udev being used by default, that sort of thing) |
| 05:19.47 | Nyle | few years ago my college prof gav |
| 05:20.08 | libervisco | Wyzard, I see.. |
| 05:20.16 | Wyzard | libervisco: but by running sid and seeing those changes go by, you learn a lot about the system |
| 05:20.25 | Wyzard | libervisco: Six years of running sid have made me quite an expert |
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| 05:20.36 | libervisco | cool :) |
| 05:20.41 | Nyle | er.. gave me a few machines he acquired from a bank. 7 machines, 512 ram, cdrom, 1.8ghz p4 compaq mini something or other |
| 05:20.53 | Nyle | man I had so much fun with those, 3 of them died, and only now I have 4 left |
| 05:21.02 | import | libervisco i have used kubuntu ,ubuntu ,sidux ,mandriva ,mandrake 6.0 ,suse linux ,openlinuxos ,damn small linux, feather linux, puppy linux, linspire, mepis, there is more but im sticking with Mepis |
| 05:21.05 | jimmybgood | yes, I run sid just to watch gnome bloat |
| 05:21.26 | Nyle | Wyzard: I actually know a lot but I can't remember most of it |
| 05:21.33 | import | you need to get your self alot of cds and burn anything you can find an try it out |
| 05:22.00 | import | thats the best way in my opinion, then you will never have to worry about not having a system |
| 05:22.03 | libervisco | import, mepis.. I guess I keep staying away from it because of proprietary software they tend to mix in, but I haven't checked it in a while.. |
| 05:22.08 | import | because you will have then all |
| 05:22.18 | import | them |
| 05:22.25 | Nyle | Wyzard: but there hasn't been a problem with my sid box I have not been able to fix |
| 05:22.33 | libervisco | import, well in this day and age any CD is just an hour away :) |
| 05:22.34 | Wyzard | same here |
| 05:22.39 | libervisco | 2Mbit connection :) |
| 05:22.54 | libervisco | and then KVM and run it on your desktop :) |
| 05:23.06 | libervisco | can try 10 OSs per day if you wish :) |
| 05:23.09 | import | its at 6.6.90 mepis 7.0 beta they are pummping them out |
| 05:23.12 | Wyzard | On my previous box I ran sid from sometime in 2001 to early 2007, updated daily, without ever needing to reinstall |
| 05:23.22 | Wyzard | and I've been running it on this one since January when I built it |
| 05:23.24 | Nyle | I didn't update daily |
| 05:23.31 | Nyle | sometimes I wouldn't update for like 6 months |
| 05:23.32 | import | wyzard nice |
| 05:23.35 | libervisco | oh how often does testing update? |
| 05:23.37 | Nyle | hehe, if it worked, why update |
| 05:24.04 | Wyzard | Nyle: I've found that it's actually better to update frequently... if you wait a long time, then when you do update, lots of things change at once, so if something breaks it's hard to isolate it |
| 05:24.26 | Nyle | well sid was on my laptop |
| 05:24.32 | Nyle | I never used it much really |
| 05:24.38 | Nyle | and nothing really ever broke on an update |
| 05:24.41 | Wyzard | Nyle: and new packages are much more likely to successfully upgrade from the immediate previous version than from a six-month-old version |
| 05:25.07 | Nyle | yeh sometimes locales package has given me shit repeatedly |
| 05:25.30 | Nyle | over the years I mean, that package is ugh |
| 05:25.38 | Wyzard | libervisco: It's updated daily, with whatever packages have become eligible for propagation from unstable that day |
| 05:25.46 | Nyle | 2wice a day |
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| 05:25.51 | libervisco | cool |
| 05:26.00 | Wyzard | oh, is it twice now? |
| 05:26.01 | Wyzard | didn't know that |
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| 05:26.09 | ddalton | can someone please email their working sources.list file? in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:26.13 | libervisco | nice, debian accelerated :D |
| 05:26.13 | ddalton | to me? |
| 05:26.17 | Nyle | ddalton: no |
| 05:26.20 | Nyle | !sources.list |
| 05:26.20 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 05:26.27 | Wyzard | libervisco: except not for the past few days, because ftp-master is down :-( |
| 05:26.37 | libervisco | oh |
| 05:26.39 | Nyle | !tell ddalton about sources.list |
| 05:27.01 | Unwise | *nn |
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| 05:27.26 | libervisco | Do you do tweaks for faster boots? |
| 05:27.41 | Nyle | better performance too |
| 05:27.43 | Nyle | yes |
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| 05:27.55 | Wyzard | libervisco: nah, just don't reboot very often :-) |
| 05:27.57 | import | close down some sevices |
| 05:28.01 | ddalton | ok well im using braille and having a hard time double checking everything is right. I did that and it looks ok. But could someone just send it to me to make my life a bit easier. |
| 05:28.02 | Nyle | custom kernels mostly |
| 05:28.08 | import | enter grub and put the delay time lower |
| 05:28.13 | ddalton | Im blind thats why checking stuff is hard |
| 05:28.14 | libervisco | on fedora I saw a nice tool for setting up startup services, with run levels and all |
| 05:28.15 | Nyle | strip it down and customize it for yoru hw, and your options |
| 05:28.16 | Nyle | etc. |
| 05:28.19 | import | 0 imo |
| 05:28.44 | Nyle | ddalton: how about we pastebin it? |
| 05:28.48 | import | and then run around naked for a minute and a half then power up workes every time |
| 05:28.57 | libervisco | on a first boot now it had a rather lengthy delay on "MTU" something |
| 05:29.03 | ddalton | Nyle: No worries. Could you please do that? |
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| 05:29.22 | import | www.pastebin.ca |
| 05:29.41 | import | no pasting here you will get a boot in the irc lip |
| 05:29.44 | Nyle | ddalton: when I used to work at cox communications tech support we had a blind guy calling in wanting to order pay per view porn |
| 05:29.47 | Nyle | ahem |
| 05:29.53 | import | lol |
| 05:29.54 | Nyle | the whole call center was laughing |
| 05:29.56 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:29.58 | ddalton | Laughing Out Loud |
| 05:30.11 | import | thats pretty amazing how did you find out he was blind |
| 05:30.16 | Nyle | !paster |
| 05:30.16 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 05:30.22 | import | i think he got off on the moaning |
| 05:30.41 | libervisco | hdb: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 05:30.43 | libervisco | hmm |
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| 05:30.51 | ddalton | is the stuff up there? Im finding it hard to keep track of everything |
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| 05:32.07 | ddalton | am I still connected? |
| 05:32.10 | Nyle | ddalton: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44215/ |
| 05:32.16 | ddalton | thanks |
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| 05:33.42 | Wyzard | libervisco: dying hard drive |
| 05:33.45 | libervisco | looks like I still have issues with jmicron controller on debian |
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| 05:33.52 | Wyzard | oh |
| 05:34.13 | Wyzard | libervisco: What kind of JMicron controller? |
| 05:34.14 | import | be back in a while need to make a copy of my os for my uncle because im tired of dealing with wincrap |
| 05:34.20 | ddalton | Nyle: You can get source for stuff ok? |
| 05:34.25 | ddalton | eg emacs |
| 05:34.29 | import | thanks again wyzard and wol for the help |
| 05:34.29 | Nyle | Wyzard: my guess, JMB36x |
| 05:34.30 | Wyzard | libervisco: The latest firmware for the 20360/20363 apparently supports AHCI |
| 05:34.33 | Nyle | 363 |
| 05:34.41 | libervisco | 03:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02) and 03:00.1 IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 05:34.56 | Wyzard | libervisco: hmm, I have one of those too, though I don't have any drives connected to it |
| 05:34.59 | ddalton | with that sources.list thing? |
| 05:35.19 | Nyle | ddalton: yes its fine |
| 05:35.20 | Wyzard | libervisco: but I'm surprised if you're having problems with an AHCI controller, since that's pretty well-supported |
| 05:35.32 | Nyle | what exactly is ahci and what does it do |
| 05:35.43 | libervisco | something must have not been loaded I guess.. |
| 05:35.47 | ddalton | Nyle: And can I just use the us stuff or should I set it to australia? |
| 05:35.52 | Nyle | I read about it and i forgot |
| 05:35.56 | libervisco | AFAIK it didn't happen on Ubuntu and Fedora.. |
| 05:35.57 | ddalton | won't us give me more stuff? |
| 05:35.59 | Wyzard | Nyle: It's a hardware interface for SATA controllers -- the interface between the driver and the hardware |
| 05:36.11 | Wyzard | ddalton: They all have the same files; use whichever one is fastest |
| 05:36.30 | Wyzard | ddalton: If you're in Australia, downloading from servers in Australia will probably be faster than downloading from servers in the US |
| 05:36.33 | libervisco | First time I had problems with that on Debian was when it was having an older kernel in testing which actually didn't yet fully support it |
| 05:36.50 | ddalton | so I just change .us to .au? |
| 05:36.54 | libervisco | or at least I thought so cause at the time Ubuntu had 2.20 and everything worked there |
| 05:37.01 | Wyzard | libervisco: I'm running my entire system on AHCI (on an Intel ICH8 controller, though, not the JMicron one) and I've had no problems with it |
| 05:37.05 | Wyzard | libervisco: since January |
| 05:37.47 | libervisco | You seem to have a very similar motherboard.. I have an ICH8 too... |
| 05:37.56 | Wyzard | libervisco: It's an Abit AB9 Pro |
| 05:37.57 | libervisco | that is, Gigabyte 965P DS3 |
| 05:38.22 | libervisco | 965P chipset.. |
| 05:38.32 | Wyzard | yep, 965P here too |
| 05:38.47 | libervisco | I have to run over jmicron cause my DVD burner and HD aren't SATA, but PATA |
| 05:39.33 | libervisco | which is suboptimal, but.. new HD costs money and SATA is more expensive |
| 05:39.37 | Wyzard | Nyle: The idea behind a standardized interface like AHCI is that vendors can build their hardware to use the standard interface, and a single generic AHCI driver can support all of them |
| 05:39.59 | Wyzard | libervisco: ah... I have no PATA stuff in this box, just three Seagate SATA disks and one Lite-On SATA optical drive |
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| 05:40.32 | Wyzard | Nyle: similar to what's always been done with USB drivers -- UHCI, OHCI, and EHCI |
| 05:40.47 | ddalton | does cp replace something with the same name? |
| 05:40.53 | Wyzard | yes |
| 05:41.09 | Wyzard | by default; there's an option to make it prompt you for confirmation in that case |
| 05:41.42 | Nyle | ahh yes |
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| 05:43.15 | jimmybgood | alias cp="cp -i" |
| 05:43.33 | libervisco | hmm ok there are either a lot of myths flying around or I'm missing something: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=451133 |
| 05:43.40 | libervisco | many people seem to think debian is faster |
| 05:43.55 | Wyzard | Nyle: Since the AHCI spec is freely available, AHCI is very well-supported in Linux |
| 05:43.58 | libervisco | and this is quite interesting too "Debian isn't the greatest distribution for you speed demons out there, but it gets the job done. I'd say it's one of the faster distros, being that all/most of the packages are vanilla (With no un-needed stuff patched into them)." |
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| 05:44.13 | libervisco | </quote> |
| 05:44.25 | libervisco | Debian vanilla packages? :D |
| 05:45.07 | Wyzard | libervisco: i.e. basically the same software that's released by the upstream authors, without lots of Debian-specific extensions patched in |
| 05:45.31 | libervisco | yeah I know what is vanilla, I'm just wondering how come Debian packages are vanilla :) |
| 05:45.36 | libervisco | I don't think they are :) |
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| 05:45.57 | Wyzard | because the more patches Debian adds to the upstream software, the more patches Debian has to support |
| 05:46.12 | libervisco | It's interesting though, if Ubuntu packages are Debian packages patched for Ubuntu you get double patched packages :) |
| 05:46.57 | zythmer | ddalton: yes, change us -> au. http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list and http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ tell you which are good choices. |
| 05:47.06 | spal | Is evince no longer available in Lenny? |
| 05:47.13 | spal | !tell me about evince |
| 05:47.58 | gbp | hi, i'm trying to figure out whether my X11 is actually making use of my font server (xfs), i know xfs is running and i know i've specified xfs in my xorg.conf, but i'm not sure how to check if the font server is actually doing anything. |
| 05:48.18 | Wyzard | gbp: You don't need a local xfs anymore... xorg itself can read fonts |
| 05:48.41 | Wyzard | gbp: The only use for xfs is to serve fonts remotely over a network |
| 05:48.47 | gbp | erm ok :) |
| 05:49.09 | gbp | Wyzard: well I am using xfs for that purpose (xdmcp) |
| 05:49.24 | ddalton | how do I remove some software? |
| 05:49.28 | ddalton | like a package? |
| 05:49.32 | ddalton | say mutt? |
| 05:49.35 | ddalton | im just testing something |
| 05:49.36 | Wyzard | gbp: and many newer things use freetype, which is a completely different font mechanism that xfs has nothing to do with |
| 05:49.49 | gbp | Wyzard: is there a manpage for that? |
| 05:49.59 | Wyzard | gbp: basically anything that supports anti-aliased fonts |
| 05:50.18 | Wyzard | gbp: That mechanism loads fonts on the client side, on whatever machine the app is running on |
| 05:50.42 | ddalton | how do I search with apt? |
| 05:50.49 | Wyzard | ddalton: apt-cache search |
| 05:51.14 | Nyle | hey |
| 05:51.15 | Nyle | I wonder |
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| 05:51.35 | Nyle | if apple switched to intel, then what is the future of debianppc? |
| 05:51.48 | Schalken | Nyle: the playstation 3 |
| 05:51.52 | Nyle | ? |
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| 05:52.13 | Nyle | was that like a random thing you're likely to say? |
| 05:52.31 | Wyzard | Nyle: Well, Debian supports HP PA-RISC even though that entire architecture has been discontinued |
| 05:52.35 | Schalken | Nyle: the ps3's processor is based on the ppc. there are plenty of machines with ppc-based processors that aren't from apple. |
| 05:52.39 | Wyzard | Nyle: There are still lots of machines out in the world |
| 05:52.46 | Nyle | hmm |
| 05:52.54 | Nyle | wow, it shows how much I know |
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| 05:52.59 | Nyle | I thought apple was the only one |
| 05:53.12 | Schalken | Nyle: lol, they almost were :P |
| 05:53.16 | spal | I am entering this command, "aptitude unmarkauto xpdf", but in the output it says, "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: dvipdfmx lesstif2 prosper texpower-manual xpdf xpdf-common xpdf-reader". How can I keep xpdf? |
| 05:54.04 | Wyzard | spal: unmarkauto shouldn't, by itself, cause things to be removed |
| 05:54.18 | spal | Wyzard: but that's what is happening. |
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| 05:54.51 | Wyzard | spal: aptitude's interactive mode is much better for figuring out dependency issues |
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| 05:55.39 | Schalken | Nyle: apparently the xbox 360's processor is ppc based as well. |
| 05:55.45 | Nyle | I need pottery |
| 05:55.59 | Nyle | you don't say |
| 05:56.13 | Schalken | Nyle: pottery? |
| 05:56.18 | Nyle | pottage |
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| 05:56.26 | Schalken | Nyle: pottage? |
| 05:56.29 | Nyle | doobery? |
| 05:56.35 | Schalken | ... |
| 05:56.41 | Nyle | sigh |
| 05:56.49 | Nyle | dont' worry about it |
| 05:56.51 | Nyle | Guerin: whats up man |
| 05:56.54 | Schalken | lol okay. |
| 05:56.57 | ddalton | what should I install that I won't have |
| 05:57.01 | ddalton | to test sources.list? |
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| 05:57.03 | SDr_ | hi |
| 05:57.11 | Guerin | Nyle: all's well - i go junketeering to train my minions tomorrow |
| 05:57.11 | Schalken | SDr_: hey |
| 05:57.11 | Nyle | ddalton: what is the problem you are having? |
| 05:57.21 | Nyle | Guerin: good luck |
| 05:57.33 | Nyle | ddalton: I gather is related to sources.list? |
| 05:57.38 | Nyle | it is* |
| 05:57.43 | ddalton | Nyle: I just want to make sure I can get the source with your sources.list on my machine. |
| 05:57.45 | SDr_ | I'm using debian 4, and I'd like to log every successfull connection to a specified port into a file; how can I do that? |
| 05:57.48 | ddalton | I couldn't with my old one... |
| 05:58.04 | Nyle | ddalton: paste the current contents of your sources.list file on pastebin |
| 05:58.16 | Nyle | for a blind guy on brailled you type fast |
| 05:58.19 | ddalton | its the same as your's but I want to double check |
| 05:58.27 | Nyle | yes just check it |
| 05:58.34 | ddalton | Nyle: thanks. Im using speech here though |
| 05:58.38 | Guerin | Nyle: much faster than people who have to LOOK at the keys |
| 05:58.41 | ddalton | and braille on my linux box |
| 05:58.43 | Nyle | do apt-get update and apt-get source dillo |
| 05:58.44 | Nyle | or something |
| 05:58.55 | Gokee2 | Anyone know of a good 2d game where its realtime and the goal is just to shoot the other guy before he shoots you with the other guy being controled by a AI? |
| 05:59.03 | ddalton | Nyle: how do I get the kernel? I need to patch it for this screenreader stuff |
| 05:59.03 | Schalken | Nyle: The nintendo Wii, as well. wow, i knew there were some uses but i didnt know this many. |
| 05:59.08 | Guerin | i know a transcription typist who can do 120wpm because she has a braille keyboard |
| 05:59.20 | Nyle | Schalken: I hear gameboy advance has the thing aRM |
| 05:59.22 | Nyle | arm cpu |
| 05:59.23 | Guerin | or she claims that's the reason |
| 05:59.36 | Nyle | Gokee2: fps? |
| 05:59.52 | Nyle | Gokee2: would be 3d, you can try rts games as those are mostly 2d |
| 06:00.03 | Nyle | pc == personal computer |
| 06:00.29 | Gokee2 | Nyle, I wanted something 2d... 3d is cool but once in a while I feel like some good old 2d fun |
| 06:00.31 | Nyle | I wonder why people say, I have a mac, not a pc |
| 06:00.44 | Nyle | mac is also a fucking pc, ya moron |
| 06:00.45 | Schalken | Nyle: i hate that so bad. |
| 06:00.49 | k-man | Gokee2, does it have to be open source? |
| 06:00.52 | Nyle | feel like slapping morons like that |
| 06:00.53 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:01.01 | Gokee2 | k-man, Only has to be free :) |
| 06:01.05 | Schalken | Nyle: yeah, but apple uses the term like that as well. |
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| 06:01.21 | Nyle | man I would bitch slap apple execs |
| 06:01.26 | k-man | Gokee2, so mame is out? |
| 06:01.27 | Nyle | anyway |
| 06:01.40 | Nyle | Gokee2: try a warcraft 2 clone? |
| 06:01.43 | Nyle | freecraft |
| 06:02.00 | Nyle | i don't know of any 2d deathmatch games |
| 06:02.14 | Nyle | I know there is a n ascii based deathmatch game on happy penguin |
| 06:02.22 | Nyle | I suggest you brose happy penguin |
| 06:02.26 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 06:02.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
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| 06:02.30 | Nyle | take a peek here as well |
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| 06:02.54 | linux3 | anyone here know how I can get 1024x768 out of an old ATI rage II card in linux? |
| 06:02.55 | ddalton | How do I install/setup dpkg? |
| 06:02.58 | linux3 | I have it set in xorg.conf to do that but it always keeps doing 800x600 |
| 06:03.03 | Nyle | ddalton: its already there |
| 06:03.17 | ddalton | it says it fales when I get the source. |
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| 06:03.25 | ddalton | something about dpkg |
| 06:03.29 | Nyle | ddalton: what? |
| 06:03.34 | Gokee2 | k-man, I don`t have any old acade games around... |
| 06:03.35 | Nyle | dude what are you trying to do |
| 06:03.38 | zythmer | ddalton: Install kernel-package (to make kernels the debian way easily) and then install linux-source-2.6.whatever. I'm sure there's some dpkg factoid about this... |
| 06:03.40 | ddalton | hang on ill get the error |
| 06:03.55 | Nyle | ddalton: are you trying to install the linux kernel source? |
| 06:04.01 | Gokee2 | Nyle, Hmm Not what I had in mind but I might try one anyway... Happen to know of any names? |
| 06:04.09 | Nyle | nope |
| 06:04.15 | Nyle | ahh yes |
| 06:04.16 | Nyle | yes I do |
| 06:04.23 | Nyle | apt-get install prboom freedoom |
| 06:04.25 | ddalton | Nyle: no. Im trying to get emacs's source to test it |
| 06:04.26 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 06:04.47 | Nyle | ddalton: and how are you trying tno get the source package/ |
| 06:04.57 | ddalton | apt-get source emacs |
| 06:05.05 | Nyle | Gokee2: 2d death match, prboom + freedoom |
| 06:05.08 | ddalton | it says dpkg was interupted |
| 06:05.08 | zythmer | Nyle: He wants to download the debian kernel source, patch it for the screen reader, and then install it. |
| 06:05.21 | ddalton | BTW Is that going to be hard? |
| 06:05.42 | linux3 | how can i force it? |
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| 06:05.53 | Nyle | linux3: hmm |
| 06:05.55 | Gokee2 | prboom and freedoom? I thought that was a 3d game? I installed it last night and when I ran it it ended up killing my xserver..... |
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| 06:06.11 | zythmer | ddalton: If you want to rebuild the kernel, there's a binary package called linux-source-2.6.<version>. You install it like any other package. A few packages have their source packaged when it's useful. You don't use apt-get source for it. |
| 06:06.29 | Nyle | linux3: have you yet tried to remove all resolutions from it except the one you want |
| 06:06.35 | Nyle | well |
| 06:06.37 | Nyle | its really easy |
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| 06:07.04 | Nyle | all you do, is download the kernel souce and unpack it in /usr/src and then install whatever patch you want, copy your current .config over and use make-kpkg |
| 06:07.11 | ddalton | zythmer: Im just trying to get emacs's source to check it is working |
| 06:07.21 | Nyle | ddalton: not hard, read google about how to compile a kernel the debian way |
| 06:07.27 | Nyle | or compile custom kernel in debian |
| 06:07.29 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 06:07.30 | Nyle | !kp |
| 06:07.30 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 06:07.38 | ddalton | Nyle: I will but why won't my emacs source work? |
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| 06:07.53 | zythmer | ddalton: It's a different process though. Emacs doesn't have it's source packaged like the kernel. |
| 06:07.56 | Nyle | ddalton: the sources.list I provided is very generic/general, and is known to work |
| 06:08.06 | zythmer | err its |
| 06:08.08 | linux3 | Nyle, yeah it just doesn't listen |
| 06:08.08 | linux3 | also it would help if I could force 100dpi fonts |
| 06:08.08 | linux3 | I mean I could deal with the 800x600 if I could at least do that 100dpi fonts |
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| 06:08.22 | ddalton | Nyle: so mine is fine? I should now just worry about getting my kernel? |
| 06:08.31 | ddalton | but it sounds like dpkg is wrong on my system. |
| 06:08.44 | Nyle | ddalton: you should try to get the source for emacs22 |
| 06:08.44 | ddalton | I did a base install. Akll I had was apt and brltty |
| 06:08.49 | ddalton | all |
| 06:08.54 | Nyle | emacs is a metapackage which depends on emacs22 in sid |
| 06:08.59 | Nyle | do apt-cache show emacs |
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| 06:09.07 | Nyle | maybe thats why it won't work? I dunno |
| 06:09.11 | ddalton | do I just type apt-get source emacs22 |
| 06:09.15 | ddalton | ?\ |
| 06:09.17 | ddalton | ? |
| 06:09.26 | Nyle | linux3: force 100 dpi with startx -- -dpi 100 or with X -dpi 100 |
| 06:09.35 | Nyle | ddalton: try it |
| 06:09.36 | Nyle | ! |
| 06:09.38 | Nyle | :) |
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| 06:10.12 | ddalton | unable to find a source package for emacs 22 |
| 06:10.24 | Nyle | ddalton: apt-cache show emacs |
| 06:10.36 | Nyle | what does emacs depend on? as it is a metapackage |
| 06:10.48 | Nyle | zythmer: any thoughts? |
| 06:11.06 | Nyle | linux3: are you sure your monitor can do more than 800x600? :) |
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| 06:12.11 | zythmer | Nyle: When you do apt-get source, it doesn't care about dependencies. It just gets the source for that package. |
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| 06:12.21 | zythmer | ddalton: Did you apt-get update first? |
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| 06:12.27 | Nyle | zythmer: I see |
| 06:12.28 | ddalton | how do I check that dpkg is working? |
| 06:12.43 | linux3 | Nyle, yep it can do much higher than that |
| 06:12.44 | Nyle | dpkg are you working? |
| 06:12.54 | Nyle | !ping |
| 06:12.54 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:13.15 | Nyle | linux3: strange, anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 06:13.35 | spal | how can we set these non "x is a y" replies in dpkg? |
| 06:13.38 | ddalton | Yep I get errors like "dpkg was interupted" |
| 06:13.41 | ddalton | how do I fix it? |
| 06:14.00 | linux3 | Nyle, how can i force 100dpi with xorg.conf? |
| 06:14.04 | Nyle | dpkg --configure -a? something like that I can't remember |
| 06:14.08 | Nyle | or apt-get -f install |
| 06:14.17 | Nyle | linux3: you can't |
| 06:14.19 | Nyle | afaik |
| 06:14.50 | Nyle | linux3: you can with /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 06:15.01 | Nyle | exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 06:15.24 | Nyle | or just type startx -- -dpi 100 |
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| 06:16.44 | linux3 | Nyle, well i do see in Xorg.0.log that there is this line Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name) |
| 06:17.04 | Nyle | linux3: paste the file somewhere |
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| 06:17.35 | Wyzard | linux3: That's rather strange, because xorg should have a predefined mode called "1024x768" |
| 06:18.02 | linux3 | Wyzard, let me post it up for you all to take a look at |
| 06:18.23 | linux3 | sorry its hard for me to read now since my glasses just broke |
| 06:18.23 | linux3 | again |
| 06:18.34 | Nyle | hehe i got green stuff in my belly button |
| 06:18.36 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 06:19.05 | ddalton | I think this message fixed it. Thx. <Nyle> dpkg --configure -a? something like that I can't remember |
| 06:19.12 | ddalton | Nyle |
| 06:19.19 | Nyle | thats me |
| 06:19.32 | ddalton | Nyle: ok whats the first step with getting a kernel? |
| 06:19.42 | Nyle | ddalton: /msg dpkg kp |
| 06:19.44 | Nyle | on irc |
| 06:19.45 | Nyle | here |
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| 06:20.58 | ddalton | <Nyle> Why? |
| 06:21.06 | Nyle | sigh |
| 06:21.08 | Nyle | !kp |
| 06:21.08 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 06:21.13 | Nyle | !tell ddalton -about kp |
| 06:21.44 | Nyle | ddalton: the driver patch you have, which kernel version is it for? |
| 06:22.10 | Nyle | if the driver source file is a bit diff the patch will not apply |
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| 06:23.41 | heatman | is there a package that needs to be downloaded to alow me to use the Fn keys on my laptop to ajust the volume eg? |
| 06:24.06 | Nyle | fn, hmm thats supposed to kick in after bios isn't it |
| 06:24.50 | heatman | dunno... |
| 06:25.35 | Nyle | the fn key usually always works |
| 06:25.36 | cahoot | heatman: not using gnome by chance? |
| 06:25.39 | sikkle | Starting MySQL../etc/init.d/mysql: line 159: kill: (13462) - No such process |
| 06:25.52 | Nyle | wait you mean the Fn key or regular internet/multimedia shortcut keys? |
| 06:25.57 | heatman | cahoot: yes in matter of fact i am |
| 06:26.24 | heatman | Nyle: regular Fn key |
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| 06:26.30 | Nyle | like hmm |
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| 06:26.32 | cahoot | heatman: might look at the menu entry keyboard shortcuts |
| 06:26.57 | heatman | cahoot: ok... although i tough i was the same by default |
| 06:27.01 | ddalton | ok that command didn't work for me. What do I install first? build-essentials? |
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| 06:27.34 | ddalton | and how do I get my version of the kernel? The exact same one I have/ |
| 06:27.35 | Nyle | ddalton: why do you need to patch the kernel source? |
| 06:27.38 | ddalton | ? |
| 06:27.44 | ddalton | for a speakup screenreader thin |
| 06:27.46 | ddalton | g |
| 06:28.05 | wols | ddalton: if you want to patch I'd rather use vanilla kernel sources |
| 06:28.35 | Nyle | ddalton: http://www.tux.org/~tbr/debiankernelpkg/ |
| 06:28.35 | wols | tho you can try with your debian sources via aptitude source |
| 06:28.42 | ddalton | wols: So I can't just get the kernel put it in /usr/src/ and patch it compile then install it? |
| 06:28.46 | Nyle | ddalton: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 06:29.04 | wols | ddalton: you can, I just told you that |
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| 06:30.12 | Nyle | ddalton: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/2949/The-Very-Verbose-Guide-to-Updating-and-Compiling-Your-Debian-Kernel/ |
| 06:30.40 | sikkle | someone already live this when want to start mysqld ? : Starting MySQL../etc/init.d/mysql: line 159: kill: (13462) - No such process |
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| 06:31.25 | Sazpaimon | hey guys, know of any program that allows you to update files on a local SVN repository via a web interface? |
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| 06:31.40 | Sazpaimon | I'm looking through WebSVN and it doesnt seem to have such a function |
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| 06:39.34 | DocPlatypus | what's the biggest that APT::Cache-Limit should be? |
| 06:39.45 | DocPlatypus | I'm getting "dynamic mmap ran out of room" even at 50331648 |
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| 06:40.04 | wols | !mmap |
| 06:40.04 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 06:41.46 | mathesis | i need PoS |
| 06:42.20 | k-man | Point if Sale? |
| 06:42.29 | k-man | Piece of Shit? |
| 06:43.00 | ddalton | what version of the kernel should I get? |
| 06:43.04 | DocPlatypus | getting rid of experimental fixed it |
| 06:44.07 | ddalton | how do I check what version im running atm? |
| 06:44.24 | wols | ddalton: uname -a |
| 06:44.37 | wols | ddalton: the patch you get tells you what kernel to patch against usually |
| 06:44.45 | ddalton | wols: what version? eg 2.6 |
| 06:45.15 | wols | ddalton: "2.6" is kinda meaningless |
| 06:45.26 | ddalton | 2.6.something |
| 06:45.29 | wols | 2.6 spans at least 3 years of linux kernels |
| 06:45.43 | ddalton | ok so what one is mine? How do I chekc? |
| 06:45.43 | wols | and there are HUGE differences beteen 2.6.0 and 2.6.23 |
| 06:45.45 | ddalton | check |
| 06:45.55 | wols | I just told you how |
| 06:46.08 | wols | debian etch is 2.6.18-5 |
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| 06:46.23 | ddalton | so mine is that exact number? |
| 06:46.24 | wols | but that doesn't answer what that speech patch needs |
| 06:46.32 | wols | last time: uname -a |
| 06:46.36 | ddalton | it will work with 2.6.x |
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| 06:50.40 | ddalton | linux-2.6.18.5.tar.gz.sign? |
| 06:50.41 | mathesis | k-man: Point of Sales |
| 06:50.47 | ddalton | mine is 2.6.18-5 |
| 06:51.14 | wols | ddalton: no |
| 06:51.24 | ddalton | wols: what one then? |
| 06:51.28 | wols | use aptitude source |
| 06:51.31 | ddalton | im at |
| 06:51.31 | ddalton | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 06:51.43 | ddalton | can you tell methe line mumber? |
| 06:51.46 | ddalton | me the |
| 06:52.01 | wols | ddalton: if you use a vanilla kernel use a recent one, if you use a debian source, use your current version |
| 06:52.07 | ddalton | what do I type? aptitued source then what? |
| 06:52.13 | mathesis | i need a point of sale to debian |
| 06:52.26 | ddalton | ill just use my current version |
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| 06:53.07 | wols | ddalton: Nyle gave you urls to the debian docs |
| 06:53.28 | Wyzard | mathesis: I don't think there's any packaged PoS software in Debian |
| 06:53.44 | wols | ddalton: aptitude search linux-source |
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| 06:55.13 | sexshun | if i install an application in a local directory in my user's home directory, how can i read the man file that was put in the man directory |
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| 06:55.33 | mathesis | do you have know point of sale to linux? |
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| 06:57.33 | sexshun | nm i figured it out... man /path/manfile |
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| 07:00.15 | tabris|away | sexshun: man ~/prefix/man/section/manpage.section |
| 07:00.19 | tabris|away | sexshun: it's not that hard. |
| 07:00.24 | techbie | Hello all, Does anyone recommend web cam models, which are fully supported |
| 07:00.27 | tabris|away | sexshun: nm |
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| 07:03.53 | sauvin | I have a man who needs to patch his kernel in order to use accessibility things like screenreaders and braille device drivers. What all is needed? |
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| 07:07.39 | wols | sauvin: ask ddalten. he's doing the same right now |
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| 07:07.58 | sauvin | It's for ddalton I'm asking. This channel is too busy for him. |
| 07:08.16 | sauvin | (that's not a poke; YOU try listening to that damned noisy screenreader thing!) |
| 07:08.43 | wols | he needs his irc client to not display joins and parts |
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| 07:09.05 | unix_infidel | wols: how would you know who comes and goes? |
| 07:09.16 | wols | unix_infidel: why would you care? |
| 07:09.28 | Penix | damn, this online DS action is awesome. I need to get an AP of my own |
| 07:10.40 | k_vv | hello...could anyone tell me the difference between ip masquerade and snat ? it's only about number of external interfaces ? |
| 07:10.42 | sauvin | Where do you get the kernel sources for 2.6.18-5 and the configs that debian used? |
| 07:11.23 | Wyzard | k_vv: Masquerading is a particular type of SNAT, where the translated source address is the router's own external address |
| 07:11.45 | Wyzard | sauvin: linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 07:12.08 | Wyzard | sauvin: The config is in /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686 (each linux-image package puts its config in /boot) |
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| 07:12.38 | sauvin | Wyzard, oh, that's handy! |
| 07:12.39 | k_vv | Wyzard: i know but the only difference is that masquerade has only one external adress and you can't change ports right ? |
| 07:12.56 | Wyzard | k_vv: masquerading can and does change source ports |
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| 07:13.41 | Wyzard | k_vv: and yes, it has only one translated source address, that of the router itself |
| 07:14.13 | Wyzard | k_vv: as opposed to, say, translating all 192.168.0.x to 10.0.0.x |
| 07:14.24 | k_vv | Wyzard: sorry my bad... it can change change ports, but the external ip adress can be dynamic ;] |
| 07:14.26 | Wyzard | k_vv: which would be NAT, but not masquerading |
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| 07:16.06 | k_vv | Wyzard: ok so i'm prepared for my net administration classes...thx |
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| 07:17.57 | Sazpaimon | do you guys know of any program that allows you to update files on a local SVN repository via a web interface? |
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| 07:18.40 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: What exactly do you mean by "update"? |
| 07:18.44 | Maliuta | mod_svn |
| 07:18.50 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: Commit changes to the repository? Pull changes from the repository? |
| 07:18.56 | Maliuta | mod_svn |
| 07:18.58 | Sazpaimon | commit changes |
| 07:19.12 | Maliuta | if you don't know about it go read some svn docs |
| 07:19.18 | Sazpaimon | k |
| 07:19.20 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: You need a checked-out copy for that operation to make sense |
| 07:19.29 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: Where would the web interface get the changes-to-commit from? |
| 07:19.39 | Sazpaimon | good point |
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| 07:21.56 | neednick | anyone know of an app that would watch critical files like /etc/passwd and mail me if there is a change? |
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| 07:24.03 | Maliuta | fam |
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| 07:24.23 | Maliuta | apt-cache show fam |
| 07:24.35 | bzed | fam doesn;t send mails |
| 07:24.40 | Sazpaimon | Maliuta, is there any way I can use mod_svn with a viewer such as websvn if i edit the source? |
| 07:24.44 | Wyzard | neednick: incron maybe |
| 07:24.50 | Sazpaimon | or would i need a seperate app for this |
| 07:24.57 | Wyzard | but I'm not sure if incron is in etch |
| 07:26.22 | Wyzard | There doesn't seem to be a mod_svn packaged in Debian |
| 07:26.36 | Wyzard | oh, libapache2-svn |
| 07:27.07 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: That's for remote clients to communicate with the repository over the network, to checkout and checkin changes |
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| 07:27.52 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: If you're running websvn on the machine where the repository is, you could presumably just point it at the actual repository in the filesystem |
| 07:28.05 | Pencil | hey where would be a nice place to buy a parts for a dedicated server? |
| 07:28.07 | Pencil | newegg? |
| 07:28.17 | Wyzard | newegg is a good place to buy parts in general |
| 07:28.22 | twiggz | tigerdirect.com |
| 07:28.28 | Wyzard | zipzoomfly sometimes has lower prices though |
| 07:28.36 | Wyzard | I've heard horrible things about tigerdirect's customer support |
| 07:28.40 | Pencil | does graphic card matter? |
| 07:28.41 | Nyle | tigerdirect sucks |
| 07:28.47 | Pencil | really? so newegg? |
| 07:28.48 | Nyle | Pencil: depends |
| 07:28.49 | Sazpaimon | Wyzard, but since svn doesnt keep the actual files, updating via websvn wouldnt work would it? |
| 07:28.55 | Pencil | i just want a dedi, for like counter-strike and stuff. |
| 07:28.57 | Nyle | Pencil: you wannt surf the web or game? |
| 07:29.05 | Pencil | no just to host a game. |
| 07:29.10 | Nyle | Pencil: how much $$ you got? |
| 07:29.10 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: We've already pointed out that "updating via websvn" doesn't make sense |
| 07:29.20 | Pencil | my budget is 400$ +) |
| 07:29.22 | Pencil | =) |
| 07:29.23 | Pencil | or less. |
| 07:29.25 | elenril | is there any FOSS program/collection of programs in Debian that can replace Mathematica? |
| 07:29.26 | Nyle | for a video card? |
| 07:29.30 | Pencil | NO NO lol |
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| 07:29.35 | Sazpaimon | Wyzard, indeed |
| 07:29.35 | Wyzard | Pencil: A dedicated server for a game doesn't need a good GPU, because it isn't displaying any graphics |
| 07:29.37 | Gokee2 | Anyone know of anything that would explain how a entry in /etc/hosts is gone? Its for my desktop computer from my laptop.... I use it every day and was earlyer... now its gone.... My laptop had been also acting really really slow before I reset its xserver. |
| 07:29.42 | Pencil | i want to make a COMPUTER to be used as a dedicated server. |
| 07:29.50 | Nyle | Pencil: Wyzard |
| 07:29.50 | Pencil | yeah cus some doofus told me that id need a good graphics card |
| 07:29.57 | Pencil | and im like "why the hell would i need a graphics card to host a dedicated server" |
| 07:30.09 | Nyle | Pencil: who is this moron |
| 07:30.12 | Pencil | no idea. |
| 07:30.15 | Sazpaimon | the thing is I have a few of my coders not able or hesitant to install svn client software |
| 07:30.17 | Pencil | i forgot i asked in #networking i think. |
| 07:30.23 | Gokee2 | Nevermind I was in a ssh session :0 |
| 07:30.28 | wols | Pencil: #hardware |
| 07:30.30 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: Well, they can't exactly use SVN without client software |
| 07:30.35 | Pencil | kk |
| 07:30.44 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: They can browse the repository with websvn, but they can't checkout or checkin that way |
| 07:30.53 | Sazpaimon | that's what I was afraid of |
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| 07:31.03 | Wyzard | Sazpaimon: Why don't they want to install the client? |
| 07:31.15 | Nyle | rahul: pin |
| 07:31.16 | Nyle | g |
| 07:31.25 | Sazpaimon | well, one of my coders had tourtisesvn before, and he had some major issues with it |
| 07:31.26 | Pencil | kk i went there |
| 07:31.26 | Pencil | its dead. |
| 07:31.29 | Sazpaimon | (he uses windows) |
| 07:31.45 | wols | Wyzard: tortoisesvn isn't vista compatible. at all |
| 07:31.51 | Wyzard | ah |
| 07:31.54 | Sazpaimon | yes it is |
| 07:32.00 | Sazpaimon | Im using it on vista x64 |
| 07:32.04 | Pencil | i used tortoisesvn before. |
| 07:32.06 | Sazpaimon | i just commit an svn to test it |
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| 07:32.16 | Nyle | Seinfeld pwnz0rz |
| 07:32.20 | Sazpaimon | worked fine |
| 07:32.33 | Sazpaimon | the thing is, he told me that tourtisesvn added an "SVN |
| 07:32.39 | Sazpaimon | ewlkdfgdsdkgla fucking enter key |
| 07:32.48 | Sazpaimon | the thing is, he told me that tourtisesvn added an "SVN" dir that he couldnt delete by any means |
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| 07:33.24 | Pencil | would motherboard matter? |
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| 07:33.39 | wols | Pencil: #hardware |
| 07:33.51 | Pencil | its dead. |
| 07:33.53 | Pencil | no ones talking |
| 07:33.59 | wols | !they don't know |
| 07:33.59 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 07:34.13 | Pencil | im planning to host debian |
| 07:34.24 | Pencil | so would debian perform better with a certain motherboard? |
| 07:34.28 | Wyzard | Pencil: Debian isn't a video game |
| 07:34.29 | wols | no |
| 07:34.35 | Pencil | so i can have any motherboard |
| 07:34.37 | Pencil | it wouldn't matter |
| 07:35.06 | Wyzard | Pencil: If you're running a dedicated server for a game then you probably don't want a low-end system, but I doubt it needs to be really powerful |
| 07:35.15 | Pencil | hm alright |
| 07:35.18 | Pencil | cus im trying to save a penny |
| 07:35.20 | Wyzard | Pencil: unless it's going to be a large server for many many people |
| 07:35.30 | Pencil | hm |
| 07:35.39 | Pencil | possibly 100 people. |
| 07:35.42 | Pencil | max. |
| 07:35.50 | Wyzard | I don't have experience running game servers though |
| 07:35.54 | Pencil | yeah. |
| 07:35.58 | Pencil | its fine |
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| 07:36.07 | Wyzard | There are probably gaming forums where you can get more info about that sort of thing |
| 07:36.13 | Pencil | yeah ill look around |
| 07:36.40 | Wyzard | (they don't unlock anything...) |
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| 07:38.41 | rahul | oy |
| 07:38.49 | rahul | I'm heading to bed |
| 07:38.54 | wols | is that kiddie still ddosing freenode? |
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| 07:49.36 | Arafangion | Hey, why might I be getting wierd unicode characters whenever I compile a program and an error results? |
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| 07:49.45 | Arafangion | It seems that instead of '"', I get '?' |
| 07:49.52 | xsdg | Arafangion: quotation marks |
| 07:50.01 | Wyzard | Arafangion: GCC uses UTF-8 curly quotes if your locale is a UTF-8 one |
| 07:50.07 | xsdg | Arafangion: the ASCII equivalents are `` '' |
| 07:50.15 | Wyzard | Arafangion: but if your console isn't actually configured for UTF-8, they won't display correctly |
| 07:50.22 | Arafangion | Wyzard: But I use urxvt! |
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| 07:50.47 | Wyzard | Arafangion: dunno then; I've never used urxvt |
| 07:51.00 | xsdg | Arafangion: echo $LANG |
| 07:51.01 | Arafangion | Wyzard: It's rxvt, but with unicode support. |
| 07:51.23 | Wyzard | Arafangion: ‘’ “†-- paste those into urxvt and see if they display correctly |
| 07:51.29 | Arafangion | xsdg: I'm not running it atm, (I built it entirely from scratch, so I know it quite well) - and it should be en.AU-UTF8 |
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| 07:53.32 | Leopald | hi |
| 07:54.03 | Leopald | I installed via apt-get imagemagick but for some reason im having a bit hard time finding it(I need to set the path to one software) |
| 07:54.15 | Leopald | any tips? |
| 07:54.20 | folken | Leopald: dpkg -L <package> |
| 07:54.26 | folken | Leopald: lists all the files in the package |
| 07:54.46 | folken | if you do a grep for "bin" eg. dpkg -L <package> | grep bin |
| 07:54.54 | folken | you'll find all the binaries it installed |
| 07:55.28 | folken | Leopald: additionally /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/Readme.DEBIAN is also a good resource |
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| 07:56.52 | caveman_ | Leopald: imagemagick is used by the system - try the command display - something.jpg |
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| 07:57.42 | lobomufas | hello |
| 07:57.52 | Leopald | caveman? |
| 07:58.11 | caveman_ | Leopald: i think there are commands for it like display, convert, ... on and on |
| 07:58.23 | dondelelcaro | Leopald: almost everything debian installs will be in /usr/bin, so that's a good first bet. |
| 07:58.36 | dondelelcaro | (but as folken said, dpkg -L is the right method) |
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| 07:59.25 | Leopald | yup,, the commands seem to locate in /usr/bin |
| 07:59.51 | Leopald | but for some reason when i set the path to imagemagick /usr/bin to the software it doesnt approve it |
| 07:59.53 | caveman_ | but you dont use imagemagic as a command |
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| 08:01.13 | twiggz | <3 urxvtd |
| 08:01.35 | Leopald | nada |
| 08:01.38 | Leopald | i found it |
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| 08:11.42 | marc7 | I've just compiled zaptel (for asterisk) and have been given two modules... how do I set debian up to have them load on boot? (I've placed them in the /lib/modules/2.6.../ directory |
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| 08:14.34 | blq | I would like to use 2 monitors at my Debian/KDE system, I read that there are several ways to do that. I'm using a nvidia grafics card and would like to be able to display OpenGL content on both screens. Which way would you recomend? (I read about Xinemera, TwinView, Merged Frames and Big Desktop but it looks like all that options aren't what I'm looking for, are they?) |
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| 08:16.06 | caveman_ | blq, i use xRandR for dualhead setups |
| 08:16.55 | Wyzard | blq: To do OpenGL across both screens, you need to use nVidia's TwinView feature |
| 08:17.11 | blq | caveman_: is xRandR able to display OpenGL on both screens? |
| 08:17.59 | caveman_ | i have only used it as a clone for watching tv |
| 08:18.11 | blq | Wyzard: is it possible to use that with the Debian nVidia drivers? I'm afraid of using the one from nVidia.com |
| 08:18.13 | caveman_ | but it uses gl to do it |
| 08:18.39 | Wyzard | blq: yes, the "Debian nVidia" driver is the same driver as the one at nvidia.com, just packaged for cleaner installation on Debian |
| 08:18.44 | blq | caveman_: sounds good |
| 08:18.45 | caveman_ | i use it with the open ati driver |
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| 08:19.12 | blq | Wyzard: nice! so I'm going to use TwinView |
| 08:19.34 | blq | thank you very much @ caveman_ & Wyzard |
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| 08:28.43 | ecere | hey guys. I'm trying to get alpha compositing to work... How can I have an X window have an alpha channel? When created with a 32 bit visual, it won't show even in taskbar... |
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| 08:30.34 | spal | any simple and good proxy server for Debian? |
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| 08:30.46 | Wyzard | spal: squid is a popular proxy |
| 08:31.06 | spal | I have access to Internet, my friend doesn't have. I would want him to specify mymachine:8080 as proxy. |
| 08:31.08 | spal | Wyzard: ok |
| 08:31.24 | Arafangion | wwwoffle, maybe. |
| 08:31.32 | Wyzard | spal: Are you on the same network? |
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| 08:32.28 | blq | spal: if you are on the same network you could also use masquerading / ipforwarding |
| 08:32.49 | spal | blq: how? |
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| 08:33.04 | spal | blq: are there any tools to do ipforwarding? |
| 08:33.27 | blq | spal: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $IFNAME -j MASQUERADE (replace $IFNAME with your internet interface) |
| 08:33.32 | spal | blq: thanks |
| 08:33.42 | blq | spal: and then do: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 08:34.05 | blq | spal: np - I'm happy if I was able to help you ;) |
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| 08:34.11 | markybob | netfilter has damn good faq |
| 08:35.32 | capiira | hey ftp master is back :D |
| 08:35.49 | spal | blq: in the iptables command you mentioned, we are not providing any port number? |
| 08:36.24 | blq | spal: no you just provide the outgoing interface for example ppp0 in my case |
| 08:36.32 | spal | mine is eth0 |
| 08:36.47 | spal | blq: so how does my friend access internet through my machine? |
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| 08:37.00 | liable | !ipmasq |
| 08:37.00 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 08:37.19 | spal | thanks liable |
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| 08:37.24 | liable | np |
| 08:37.48 | markybob | !shellter |
| 08:37.49 | dpkg | somebody said shellter was an iptables-based firewall. what sets it apart is that it has built-in ssh brute force protection. it also has an interactive CLI installer. http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/shellter |
| 08:37.50 | markybob | :p |
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| 08:38.52 | xushi | does poppler include pdftotext ? |
| 08:39.15 | wols | xushi: what is poppler? |
| 08:39.31 | xushi | it's a pdf rendering library, fork of xpdf |
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| 08:39.50 | markybob | xpdf has more or less gone to hell |
| 08:40.21 | xushi | yea? then i'll stick to poppler :) |
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| 08:42.03 | Pazzo | Hi @ll! We installed the libprce3 security upgrade last week on most of our servers. While being fine on Etch It seems that the library is broken on Sarge - we had to roll back to the old (buggy) version! |
| 08:42.29 | Pazzo | Can anyone here confirm this? |
| 08:43.02 | markybob | pasky on sarge? are you are you something older than the current stable? upgrade, man. |
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| 08:43.22 | wols | Pazzo: checked BTS? |
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| 08:43.53 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:44.35 | Pazzo | wols: yep - without success :( |
| 08:44.40 | markybob | Pazzo that was for you |
| 08:45.14 | dalias | i like xpdf a lot better |
| 08:45.17 | markybob | Pazzo for obvious reasons, we can only support stable |
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| 08:45.33 | dalias | poppler-based apps sit there forever rendering page |
| 08:45.37 | dalias | xpdf is almost instant |
| 08:45.44 | dalias | btw |
| 08:45.50 | Pazzo | markybob: there are still security upgrades for oldstable. Most of our systems are running etch - but we still have the need to run some Sarge instances :( |
| 08:45.54 | dalias | is there anyway to disable the bookmarks sidebar in xpdf? |
| 08:46.02 | dalias | i hate wasting screen space on useless crap |
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| 08:46.55 | markybob | Pazzo i'm sorry to say you need to upgrade. sarge is ancient. woody is damn stable right enough, though, so i really doubt you'll have any upgrade problems |
| 08:47.19 | Pazzo | markybob: woody is dead |
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| 08:47.36 | Blackhold | hello |
| 08:47.42 | markybob | Pazzo true, i meant etch, sorry :p |
| 08:47.53 | Blackhold | could someone help me in a thing of an array? (adaptec 1210sa) |
| 08:50.27 | dondelelcaro | Blackhold: best to just ask your question |
| 08:50.46 | Pazzo | markybob: real life is not always perfect :-) we REALLY have to run a few sarge instances for some special needs. migration is going to happen, but it's not up to our department and will still take some time. we fully virtualized all sarge instances - and as told above most of our systems are Etch-based (there are also some RHEL's). The problem is: oldstable is still supported, and libpre3 got broken |
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| 08:52.11 | Pazzo | markybob: but YES, you are right - sarge MUST die and it is a shame running it these days :o) |
| 08:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Pazzo: you mean libpcre3, I assume? |
| 08:52.26 | dondelelcaro | Pazzo: have you filed a bug about it failing in sarge? what are the symptoms? |
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| 08:53.27 | liable | Blackhold: explain and we might be able to |
| 08:54.03 | Blackhold | liable: I have an array degraded and need to install software to solve it |
| 08:54.16 | Blackhold | the software I have (in cd) is in graphical mode |
| 08:54.22 | Blackhold | and this computer haven't |
| 08:54.38 | Pazzo | dondelelcaro: yes, sorry for my type |
| 08:54.44 | Pazzo | s/type/typo/ |
| 08:55.05 | Blackhold | what I can use and how? |
| 08:55.16 | liable | Blackhold: the 1210sa is a software raid card, you can just fix the array with madadm |
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| 08:55.33 | liable | mdadm i should say.. |
| 08:56.29 | Pazzo | dondelelcaro: I'll file a bug right now, wanted to ask first if someone is experiencing the same issues. preg_* in PHP are completely failing after the upgrade. Even simple constructs like $x = preg_replace('/[\r\n]/', '', $x); stopped working... |
| 08:56.30 | Blackhold | ok |
| 08:56.32 | Blackhold | man mdadm |
| 08:57.11 | dondelelcaro | Pazzo: not working in what way? have you tried debbuging it? |
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| 08:59.26 | spal | I don't think iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE is going to work because I am not directly connected to the Internet. I am connected to the internet via a proxy server which needs authentication. |
| 08:59.31 | Pazzo | dondelelcaro: not yet. in the example above $x simply remains $x. this weekend I got a lot of complaints about internal applications that "stopped working", part of our monitoring application is still running on sarge, so I got hundreds of false alarms (SMS notifications) this weekend because of "failed" checks etc :-) |
| 08:59.39 | spal | so it would be like:- my friend's box --> my box --> proxy server (with basic authentication) --> internet |
| 08:59.58 | dondelelcaro | Pazzo: yeah, the best thing would be to file a bug, and then go through and see what is happening |
| 09:00.11 | dondelelcaro | Pazzo: you are using Debian's php packages, right? |
| 09:00.22 | simonrvn | hey wait a minute, does apache use libpcre3 or is it built-in? |
| 09:00.40 | Pazzo | dondelelcaro: libpcre3 is REALLY ancient in sarge, there is a 6.7one in sarge-backports -> I'll give it a try |
| 09:00.55 | Pazzo | php is from sarge, yes |
| 09:01.02 | dondelelcaro | could be |
| 09:01.06 | simonrvn | it does |
| 09:01.17 | simonrvn | that would explain AliasMatch not working |
| 09:01.46 | simonrvn | !info libpcre3 sid |
| 09:01.51 | simonrvn | !info libpcre3 etch |
| 09:01.54 | dondelelcaro | sorry, enter key is too close to the shift that is remapped as alt; |
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| 09:03.03 | SoulChild | hi all,... is there a way to keep admin rights after i entered sudo passwort once,... i know that fedora has this admin-symbol in taskbar, does it also exist for ubuntu ??? |
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| 09:03.04 | SoulChild | or debian |
| 09:03.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell SoulChild about ubuntu |
| 09:04.36 | markybob | no! you dont want to know about ubuntu! |
| 09:04.41 | dpkg | libpcre3: (Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime files), section libs, is standard. Version: 7.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 196 kB, Installed size: 396 kB |
| 09:04.43 | dpkg | libpcre3: (Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime files), section libs, is standard. Version: 6.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 162 kB, Installed size: 344 kB |
| 09:04.50 | simonrvn | crap |
| 09:04.55 | twiggz | SoulChild must have taken a wrong turn at albuquerque.. |
| 09:04.59 | simonrvn | hmmm |
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| 09:05.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 09:05.31 | simonrvn | i wonder ... |
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| 09:15.09 | Pazzo | dondelelcaro, simonrvn, markybob: now I did some tests, figured out that PHP4 on Sarge is NOT affected, the problem exists only on servers running backported PHP5 |
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| 09:15.28 | dondelelcaro | Pazzo: figures |
| 09:15.47 | dondelelcaro | Pazzo: possibly using a backport of libpcre or recompiling php5 may be enough. |
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| 09:16.14 | Pazzo | dondelelcaro: thnx for correction! (my English is really bad, I know :) |
| 09:16.34 | Pazzo | dondelelcaro: I'll try that and let you know the result! |
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| 09:19.34 | mindshift | what do I need to do if I want the rolling release bleeding edge, but not unstable? |
| 09:22.40 | spal | mindshift: lenny? |
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| 09:32.03 | rubymonk | Hello everyone :) Do Anyone know why a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ with owner:group set as root:root and chmoded 0755 would not be run at boot ? (Works perfectly if ran manually) |
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| 09:33.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | rubymonk, do you have interfaces come up on boot? |
| 09:33.46 | rubymonk | Yes |
| 09:33.51 | rubymonk | eth0 actually... |
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| 09:34.36 | blq | what could cause the problem that I'm unable to send some forms (for example the imageupload at imageshack.us) on a machine that is online via masquerading / ipforwarding? I'm able to use that forms when the machine is connected directly to the internet and I am also able to use that forms on the machine that is doing the masquerading .. :/ |
| 09:34.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | i have scripts in if-up.d which work. i can only asume if-pre-up.d isnt called as you assume it is |
| 09:35.34 | rubymonk | Kamping_Kaiser, It defintly is called, it's where I put my firewall definitions on other machines |
| 09:36.25 | SlayerXP | I appear to be being dumb. why doesn't wget prompt me for a username and password when connecting to an https site that uses Basic authentication. I just get a straight 401. |
| 09:36.59 | petemc | --http-user= , --http-passwd= |
| 09:37.03 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: because wget doesn't prompt? |
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| 09:37.29 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: I'm sure it used to |
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| 09:38.00 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: nope |
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| 09:38.23 | dondelelcaro | links and lynx do, but not wget. |
| 09:38.30 | SlayerXP | hmm okay |
| 09:39.32 | the-whatever-guy | hi guys. i run debian 4.0 and find out that the default vim package was compiled without +syntax option. I really need this functionality since I use vim as my default editor almost everywhere and like colored syntax. Is there any other vim package compiled with +syntax option available from a secure (and preferrably debian official) place? |
| 09:40.01 | dondelelcaro | the-whatever-guy: uh... vim has +synatx. |
| 09:40.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | the-whatever-guy, install 'vim' |
| 09:40.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | rubymonk, not sure what i can suggest - add some debug code to the script to see if its being run but not run properly is really all |
| 09:40.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro, not the vim-tiny etch ships with |
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| 09:40.47 | dondelelcaro | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, that'd be vim-tiny, not vim... |
| 09:40.57 | rubymonk | Kamping_Kaiser, Yeah, did it, but it didn't work |
| 09:41.31 | rubymonk | Actually, my script calls ruby in it's shebang, I'm writting a small file only calling sh just to see what happens |
| 09:41.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro, wich isnt imediately obvious to someone who just ran 'vim' and had some wierd mutated apparitiion apear on the screen :) |
| 09:41.55 | dondelelcaro | well, it *is* vim... it's just a very tiny vim. ;-) |
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| 09:42.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | :P |
| 09:42.54 | rubymonk | hum... Nah, same issue :( |
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| 09:43.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
| 09:44.59 | the-whatever-guy | dondelelcaro, no, it has not: E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: syntax on |
| 09:45.20 | the-whatever-guy | Kamping_Kaiser, it is installed and it says it doesn't support syntax |
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| 09:46.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | the-whatever-guy, then you might have to fix your default editor. - update-alternatives --conf editor |
| 09:47.38 | the-whatever-guy | how do I do that? this "update-alternatives --conf editor" doesn't really tell me anything, sorry, I'm pretty novice to Debian. |
| 09:47.54 | wols | the-whatever-guy: man update-alternatives then |
| 09:47.56 | dondelelcaro | the-whatever-guy: do you have vim or vim-tiny installed? |
| 09:48.28 | the-whatever-guy | common and tiny |
| 09:48.33 | dondelelcaro | the-whatever-guy: what does readlink /etc/alternatives/vim say? |
| 09:48.39 | dondelelcaro | the-whatever-guy: aptitude install vim; |
| 09:49.06 | the-whatever-guy | $ readlink /etc/alternatives/vim |
| 09:49.07 | the-whatever-guy | /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 09:49.27 | the-whatever-guy | should I remove vim-tiny first before doing aptitude install vim? |
| 09:49.32 | Loigor | nope |
| 09:49.35 | Loigor | just install vim |
| 09:49.36 | the-whatever-guy | fine |
| 09:49.40 | dondelelcaro | the-whatever-guy: no, just aptitude install vim-full; |
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| 09:50.02 | Loigor | slowy-dondelelca |
| 09:50.26 | the-whatever-guy | works |
| 09:50.27 | dondelelcaro | or just vim; |
| 09:50.30 | the-whatever-guy | thanks everybody |
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| 09:52.25 | mindshift | is the debian base bloated with alot of configuration files? |
| 09:52.40 | spal | isn't webmin available for Debian? |
| 09:52.49 | Supaplex | !tell spal -about webmin |
| 09:53.01 | dondelelcaro | mindshift: only those that belong to the packages you've installed. |
| 09:53.30 | mindshift | ok, I want a minimal core to work with |
| 09:53.37 | spal | Supaplex: thanks. |
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| 09:54.27 | dondelelcaro | mindshift: so don't select anything in the tasksel bit of the installer, and just use aptitude or apt-get to install the packages you want. |
| 09:54.56 | mindshift | what about amd64 support, are most package available for amd64 aswell as 32? |
| 09:55.23 | dondelelcaro | mindshift: every package that can be built on every arch is |
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| 09:55.35 | et | i woudlnd't recommend amd64 for desktop usage |
| 09:55.40 | meezfoghi | hi alll |
| 09:55.42 | cast | i would :D |
| 09:55.52 | dondelelcaro | mindshift: so for the most part, the same packages are available on any of the architectures Debian supports. |
| 09:56.00 | meezfoghi | i have a problem to boot my linux |
| 09:56.08 | rubymonk | So... Noone to tell me why ont earth a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d won't run ? |
| 09:56.22 | cast | mindshift: i've noticed wine, john the ripper and non-free flash are not in the amd64 repos |
| 09:56.35 | meezfoghi | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2) |
| 09:56.56 | meezfoghi | what i need to to .. |
| 09:57.01 | meezfoghi | anyone plase |
| 09:57.04 | meezfoghi | anyone please |
| 09:57.23 | wols | meezfoghi: what kernel is this? installed how? |
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| 09:59.08 | Supaplex | meezfoghi: what's changed since it was last working? How long ago did it work? |
| 09:59.23 | meezfoghi | wols:kernel vmlinuz-26.20-16-generic |
| 09:59.42 | dondelelcaro | aka: random kernel. |
| 09:59.49 | wols | meezfoghi: that's no debian kernel. is this debian at all? |
| 10:00.06 | meezfoghi | Supaplex: it is slackware |
| 10:00.06 | wols | meezfoghi: how did you install this kernel exactly? |
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| 10:00.23 | wols | meezfoghi: that's great. have you noticed the name of this channel? |
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| 10:00.32 | meezfoghi | wols:i install slackware |
| 10:00.43 | meezfoghi | wols:yeah |
| 10:01.04 | wols | then why are you asking slackware problems? hint: we will not help you. ask #slaclware channel |
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| 10:01.37 | blq | what could cause the problem that I'm unable to send some forms (for example the imageupload at imageshack.us) on a machine that is online via masquerading / ipforwarding? I'm able to use that forms when the machine is connected directly to the internet and I am also able to use that forms on the machine that is doing the masquerading .. :/ |
| 10:01.41 | Supaplex | meezfoghi: ##linux ##slackware =) |
| 10:01.46 | meezfoghi | slackware still linux |
| 10:01.49 | wols | blq: use another browser |
| 10:01.52 | wols | meezfoghi: but it's not debian |
| 10:01.54 | Supaplex | meezfoghi: slackware isn't debian |
| 10:02.25 | blq | wols: it doesn'T mather which browser I'm using |
| 10:02.26 | wols | blq: how do you do NAT? |
| 10:02.55 | blq | wols: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 10:03.02 | wols | use ipmasq |
| 10:03.02 | meezfoghi | anybody this channel expert slackware? |
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| 10:03.25 | meezfoghi | i right now i using ubuntu |
| 10:03.26 | wols | meezfoghi: please install debian or go away. you won't find anyone running slackware here |
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| 10:03.33 | wols | ubuntu isn't debian either |
| 10:03.45 | tarzeau | how can i write an upside down ^ on top of a s, in a manpage? |
| 10:03.45 | Supaplex | meezfoghi is troll bait |
| 10:04.07 | lobak | hello |
| 10:04.17 | meezfoghi | ohhh...sorry folk..im just newbies.. |
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| 10:05.11 | lobak | is there any configuration that i need to do in order to increase my video playback quality?im currently using totem |
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| 10:05.29 | wols | maybe tell us how the quality is lacking right now |
| 10:05.32 | mindshift | what bootscript is debian using? |
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| 10:05.42 | wols | mindshift: what is a bootscript? |
| 10:06.00 | mindshift | the things in /etc/rc.d or something |
| 10:06.05 | wols | sysvinit |
| 10:06.16 | wols | !tell mindshift about runlevel |
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| 10:07.18 | mindshift | ok |
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| 10:08.03 | lobak | wols, i see that the default playback quality is not really sharp |
| 10:08.42 | mindshift | well I'm not convinced yet, I'm using archlinux at the momenent, but I'm going to loose alot of good stuff if I move to debians because of their big program repos. |
| 10:09.07 | wols | mindshift: archlinux has more packages/software than debian in their repos? |
| 10:09.09 | meezfoghi | mindshift: can u help me |
| 10:09.21 | meezfoghi | mindshift: i have problemm |
| 10:09.22 | mindshift | no |
| 10:09.27 | mindshift | what problem |
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| 10:09.38 | mindshift | wols: I meant that debian has a bigger repos |
| 10:09.47 | wols | mindshift: he has a slackware problem. if you want to help him, do it in #slackware |
| 10:09.53 | meezfoghi | mindshift: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,2) |
| 10:09.55 | mindshift | haha ok |
| 10:10.03 | lobak | wols, i used to play video on totem on freebsd machine and it quality is sharp,just like windows media player..maybe i need to configure it in debian..but i dpnt know where.. any idea? |
| 10:10.15 | wols | mindshift: then I don't understand you how are you losing anything when you have a bigger repo to draw software from? |
| 10:10.23 | wols | lobak: no, sorry |
| 10:10.25 | mindshift | meezfoghi: Check your fstab file, check if the mountpoints/deviced are configured correct |
| 10:10.38 | Arafangion | lobak: The same software that works on freebsd tends to work on debian also. |
| 10:10.56 | lobak | yes |
| 10:11.13 | meezfoghi | mindshift: ok ...i check |
| 10:11.27 | lobak | but maybe in freebsd it already set the configuration of totem to a better playback quality..i dont know |
| 10:11.34 | mindshift | wols: I'm loosing stuff like a really good package manager, and a centralized configuration file |
| 10:11.44 | wols | !loose |
| 10:11.46 | dpkg | i guess loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
| 10:11.53 | meezfoghi | mindshift: right now i run ubuntu..where i need to check ubuntu or slackware |
| 10:12.08 | mindshift | nano /etc/fstab |
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| 10:12.31 | wols | mindshift: do your slack tech support elsewhere please. meezfoghi: you are OFF topic |
| 10:12.50 | mindshift | meezfoghi: Why don't you ask the people in #slackware or #ubuntu, it's not that hard to join another channel :) |
| 10:12.57 | meezfoghi | wols: sorry.. |
| 10:12.59 | lobak | its ok |
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| 10:13.18 | mindshift | but your problem is in fstab |
| 10:13.31 | lobak | i'll try install mplayer and see if it fix the lack |
| 10:13.44 | meezfoghi | mindshift: ok..just try my luck..that all |
| 10:15.03 | mindshift | meezfoghi: Just paste your fstab file in a pastebin, and let other people read it, they might see the problem |
| 10:17.14 | mindshift | if I get a amd64 cd, will I get a pure amd64 environment, or will it still use 32 lib for some stuff? |
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| 10:17.20 | mindshift | the* |
| 10:17.29 | rubymonk | So... Noone to tell me why on earth a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d won't run ? |
| 10:17.35 | meezfoghi | mindshift: ok... |
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| 10:18.01 | wols | mindshift: debian itself is purely 64bit. some proprietary software is not available in 64bit and debian can't do anything about it (e.g. java plugin for browser) |
| 10:18.02 | boguh | how can i tell fuser to show me all open files in a directory structure? |
| 10:18.23 | wols | boguh: maybe try slof |
| 10:18.25 | wols | lsof |
| 10:18.29 | mindshift | rubymonk: What is it that you want to do? |
| 10:18.34 | mindshift | wols: ok |
| 10:18.46 | rubymonk | mindshift, run a script before the interface is bring up |
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| 10:19.08 | Supaplex | rubymonk: man 5 interfaces |
| 10:19.11 | rubymonk | I usually put my firewall script there and it always work |
| 10:19.28 | rubymonk | Supaplex, Thank you, I already know this |
| 10:19.40 | rubymonk | I always put a script there and it usually works |
| 10:19.45 | meezfoghi | mindshift: where to locate fstab file |
| 10:19.53 | mindshift | /etc/fstab |
| 10:19.57 | wols | mindshift: please stop answering him |
| 10:20.02 | mindshift | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.03 | wols | or he will never go away |
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| 10:20.12 | rubymonk | this time, the only difference is that I've created the system using debootstrap... maybe this affects something |
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| 10:20.26 | wols | rubymonk: shouldn't really |
| 10:20.41 | rubymonk | wols, It's what I think too |
| 10:20.53 | rubymonk | Well, that's why I don't get it |
| 10:22.08 | mindshift | rubymonk: check your rwx settings for your script |
| 10:22.26 | wols | and the directory too |
| 10:22.54 | rubymonk | it's chmoded 0755 |
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| 10:23.01 | rubymonk | and at the riht place |
| 10:23.44 | mindshift | is the script written correctky? |
| 10:24.04 | Supaplex | does the script execute if you run it from the command line? |
| 10:24.32 | unnickable | I still have a problem accessing /dev/rtc ... |
| 10:24.35 | unnickable | http://paste.debian.net/42167 |
| 10:25.17 | wols | unnickable: --directisa |
| 10:25.17 | unnickable | ... when dooing adjtimex.postinst |
| 10:25.23 | unnickable | man adjtimex | grep direct .... doesn't give anything |
| 10:25.40 | wols | it's not an adjtimex option but hwclock |
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| 10:26.44 | unnickable | wols: Yes ... I know that ... but why do you always redirect me to the directisa-switch even without reading the pasted log? |
| 10:26.57 | wols | I read the log |
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| 10:27.03 | wols | did you look at the postinst? |
| 10:27.12 | unnickable | yes, I did ... |
| 10:27.26 | unnickable | ... am I supposed to patch the postinst? |
| 10:27.49 | unnickable | I've not found a bugreport yet ... |
| 10:27.58 | rmaj_ | what was that appl to convert dos style new lines to unix? |
| 10:28.08 | wols | rmaj_: dos2unix? |
| 10:28.41 | rmaj_ | oh right; so pack tofrodos |
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| 10:44.32 | sadmin | hi all one of my disk is showing me sxt2 while all my partitions are on ext3 |
| 10:44.42 | sadmin | any idea |
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| 10:48.53 | rubymonk | sadmin, remount it using ext3 and check your fstab ? |
| 10:49.58 | sadmin | how? |
| 10:50.03 | sadmin | rubymonk |
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| 10:50.46 | Duzchip | I've got a problem with java. I've installed jre and jdk and still dont have Javac anywhere on my system. |
| 10:50.54 | Duzchip | i installed javacc but it doesn't work as good |
| 10:51.00 | sadmin | hey i remem there is way to reinitialize fstab |
| 10:51.03 | Duzchip | how do i install javac please? |
| 10:51.04 | sadmin | rubymonk |
| 10:51.10 | rubymonk | nano /etc/fstab |
| 10:51.21 | sadmin | in fstab my / partiotion is ext3 stated |
| 10:51.31 | ma3x | === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === |
| 10:51.31 | ma3x | SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED |
| 10:51.35 | ma3x | does that mean hd is safe? |
| 10:51.38 | sadmin | ya i check its ext3 in / |
| 10:51.42 | sadmin | rubumonk |
| 10:52.01 | Duzchip | Anyone? |
| 10:52.11 | rubymonk | dono then, it's strange |
| 10:52.14 | sadmin | how i remont it |
| 10:52.25 | rubymonk | sadmin, man mount |
| 10:52.26 | sadmin | do i need to run fsck |
| 10:52.52 | sadmin | i think i have to do shutdown -r -F |
| 10:53.06 | sadmin | shutdown -r -F now |
| 10:53.12 | sadmin | or i run fsck |
| 10:53.27 | sadmin | do i need to unmount / before running fsck |
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| 10:54.58 | rubymonk | sadmin, man mount |
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| 10:55.28 | import | okay first off hello everyone, second i need some help. Im in a chroot environment doing a remaster cd. I need to know how would i apply a theme from the console enviornment? |
| 10:55.45 | import | its an icon theme |
| 10:55.47 | import | for kde |
| 10:56.48 | wols | !custom cd |
| 10:56.48 | dpkg | somebody said custom cd was So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 10:57.22 | Duzchip | Does anyone here know anything about java at all? |
| 10:57.46 | sadmin | rubymonk machine is up i cant unmount / partition |
| 10:57.46 | Arafangion | Duzchip: It's an inferiour coffee brand? |
| 10:57.51 | import | wols? will that help in a chroot environment and do they help with installing a custom theme well ill take a look if anyone might know how to do this off hand let me know :) |
| 10:58.18 | wols | !tell Duzchip about ask |
| 10:58.34 | rubymonk | sadmin, READ THIS MAN PAGE: man mount (look for the option "remount") |
| 10:58.52 | Duzchip | wols: I did ask and nobody could answer so i just asked if anyone had any experience within the subject at all |
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| 10:59.28 | wols | Duzchip: it was still a stupid question |
| 10:59.49 | Duzchip | wols: i found your answer to be an even more supid answer |
| 10:59.55 | import | wols i dont see anything about installing a custom theme to work at boot? |
| 11:00.11 | wols | ok, then solve your own problem. nice way to ask for help. good day |
| 11:00.54 | cast | wols! i don't have any dinner |
| 11:00.56 | wols | import: you said about remastering. a CD I presume |
| 11:01.11 | wols | cast: dinner? at noon? |
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| 11:01.21 | import | duzchip what in exactness are you needing you cant just give us java as a flag because it could mean anything how to progam in java how to add java what is java bla bla bla |
| 11:02.00 | wols | cast: your own fault if you are on the wrong side of the mudball then. careful so you don't fall off |
| 11:02.10 | import | wols sorry i thought i was specific, i am just trying to change the theme icon from a chroot enviornment its kinda hard |
| 11:02.17 | cast | import: could ask #kde, could make a tmp user, start x and set the theme and whatever else you want, then use their .kde/ |
| 11:02.40 | wols | cast: maybe go outside and look for some sheep? *g* |
| 11:02.47 | import | oh shit hey cast good idea |
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| 11:03.01 | import | that would make my life like so much easyier |
| 11:03.05 | import | easier |
| 11:04.52 | import | thanks for the idea |
| 11:06.23 | sadmin | rubymonk am doing mount -o remount / |
| 11:06.33 | sadmin | but it again mount with ext2 |
| 11:06.42 | rubymonk | try -t ext3 ? |
| 11:07.06 | wols | sadmin: how is / listed in your fstab? |
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| 11:09.53 | import | if i start x i would do init 3 from console right? |
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| 11:10.17 | pythonic | umm... wtf? http://packages.debian.org/sid/hurd |
| 11:10.21 | wols | import: no |
| 11:10.27 | import | ? |
| 11:10.29 | wols | !tell import about runlevel |
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| 11:11.02 | pythonic | why is hurd "essential"? |
| 11:11.12 | import | aww so its going to be init 1 |
| 11:11.20 | wols | pythonic: only if you actaully install debian/HURD |
| 11:11.25 | rubymonk | Maybe if you run debian hurd ? |
| 11:11.31 | rubymonk | heh |
| 11:11.32 | wols | then it pretty much is just as your linux kernel right now |
| 11:11.42 | cast | essential for that arch :) |
| 11:11.50 | wols | import: that certainly won't start X |
| 11:11.54 | wols | !wayttd import |
| 11:11.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, import? |
| 11:11.59 | rubymonk | Not an arch, a kernel |
| 11:12.09 | import | im trying to start x from a chroot environment |
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| 11:12.16 | import | im in a squashfs file right now |
| 11:12.22 | wols | why not just do "startx"? |
| 11:12.27 | import | hmm |
| 11:12.30 | import | :) |
| 11:12.42 | sadmin | here |
| 11:12.43 | sadmin | /dev/cciss/c0d0p3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,acl,user_xattr 0 1 |
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| 11:13.04 | cast | rubymonk: well, essential for sid only within the 'hurd-i386' arch |
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| 11:13.09 | wols | sadmin: what version of debian is this? |
| 11:13.19 | rubymonk | hurd is not an arch, i386 is an arch |
| 11:13.21 | pythonic | oh, right, i see :-) it's a depends for tor but only on hurd-i386 :-} |
| 11:13.27 | sadmin | etch |
| 11:13.31 | rubymonk | hurd only is a kernel running on this arch |
| 11:13.42 | wols | sadmin: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 11:14.11 | wols | sadmin: it doesn't look like an etch entry |
| 11:14.40 | UNDERsoN | Does 4.0 release enable Ipv6 by default? |
| 11:14.57 | import | umm okay wols ran into a problem when i did that fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" can i run this in a window? |
| 11:15.01 | wols | UNDERsoN: afaik yes. there is ipv6 stuff by default |
| 11:15.04 | sadmin | dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 11:15.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6|tail -1 |
| 11:15.04 | sadmin | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 11:15.15 | wols | import: do what? |
| 11:15.22 | cast | rubymonk: fair enough, just the arch listed really is 'hurd-i386' |
| 11:15.24 | cyberbaze | why etch doesent come with yaquake preinstalled ? |
| 11:15.29 | sadmin | wols sorry its custom comiple i thinlk |
| 11:15.30 | sadmin | 2.6.9-42.0.8.EL_lustre.1.4.9.1smp |
| 11:15.53 | rubymonk | cast, They abused it :) |
| 11:16.01 | wols | sadmin: this kernel is no debian kernel but a custom kernel doesn't change fstab |
| 11:16.04 | import | im already in a gui enviornment if i run startx on the squashfs it wont work because im already in a enviornment so could i run it in a window the x server |
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| 11:16.22 | XoX | i read dump , restore , had problems with kernerl 2.4 and 2.5 |
| 11:16.27 | XoX | anyone know if it was resolved? |
| 11:16.29 | wols | not to mention it's no etch kernel at all, not any kind of debian kernel and a very old kernel which isn't supported in etch |
| 11:16.44 | wols | import: no |
| 11:17.06 | sadmin | its not change |
| 11:17.12 | sadmin | what u mena chanhe fstab |
| 11:17.18 | wols | import: either use a VM like vmware, virtualbox, qemu etc or close your X and run X from your chroot from console |
| 11:17.30 | wols | sadmin: this fstab is very unusual |
| 11:17.55 | wols | sadmin: and the kernel is not even supported in etch at all: 2.6.18 later for etch |
| 11:18.04 | wols | e.g. your kernel won't support udev |
| 11:18.12 | import | ill try that |
| 11:18.17 | import | be back in awhile |
| 11:18.18 | UNDERsoN | wols ho can I disable IPv6 and enable IPv4 as I understand using tunelling may contain different problems |
| 11:18.31 | sadmin | now what to do |
| 11:18.33 | wols | UNDERsoN: you can use ipv4 just fine |
| 11:18.41 | wols | UNDERsoN: /sbin/ifconfig. what is your current IP? |
| 11:18.47 | sadmin | its suddenly not mounting / partition |
| 11:18.53 | wols | sadmin: why are you rnning this kernel? |
| 11:19.37 | sadmin | actually its Hp servers and i think luster was not running well on this |
| 11:19.40 | sadmin | so we change that |
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| 11:19.52 | UNDERsoN | In dmesg I read this IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver. So I wanna disable it |
| 11:19.54 | sadmin | it was all good by ,ast 6 months |
| 11:19.57 | wols | luster run well on what? |
| 11:20.12 | wols | UNDERsoN: answer my question please |
| 11:20.13 | sadmin | etch |
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| 11:20.34 | wols | sadmin: what is "luster"? |
| 11:20.43 | UNDERsoN | wols my current ip is real IPv4 adress |
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| 11:20.48 | wols | also: if you run your own kernel, find, but then debug your own problems that can arise from it |
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| 11:20.55 | wols | UNDERsoN: so what is your problem? |
| 11:21.19 | wols | s/find/fine |
| 11:21.27 | meezfoghi | wols: http://pastebin.ca/770523 |
| 11:21.50 | wols | meezfoghi: go away |
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| 11:22.42 | sadmin | Lustre is a very fast, multi-network, scalable cluster filesystem for Linux. |
| 11:22.48 | sadmin | hey whats the cure then |
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| 11:22.59 | wols | interesting. and no version of it for a recent kernel? |
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| 11:23.15 | themill | dpkg: no, sid status is ftp-master is back up, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00002.html |
| 11:23.15 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 11:23.22 | sadmin | well not for HP it wont pick up drives |
| 11:23.28 | sadmin | at that moment |
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| 11:23.55 | sadmin | wols should i do shutdown -r -F now to run fsck on reboot |
| 11:23.58 | sadmin | may be it works |
| 11:24.51 | wols | sadmin: you can also remount read only and fsck |
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| 11:25.01 | sadmin | how |
| 11:25.06 | UNDERsoN | I have message "ata2: port is slow to respond, please be patient" than it trying do something with this port over 30 or more seconds after this it disable it. How can I disable it by myself. I don't wanna wait every boot for 30 secons |
| 11:25.08 | wols | man mount |
| 11:25.25 | UNDERsoN | s/secons/seconds |
| 11:25.31 | sadmin | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 11:25.34 | sadmin | is that ok |
| 11:25.47 | wols | UNDERsoN: is a device attached to that port? you might be able to do something via kernel bootparameter |
| 11:26.18 | wols | or blacklist the sata controller wholly |
| 11:26.25 | wols | !tell UNDERsoN about blacklist |
| 11:27.31 | UNDERsoN | wols I don't know module name |
| 11:27.36 | meezfoghi | wols: why so angry...chill dude |
| 11:28.00 | Arafangion | meezfoghi: What? |
| 11:28.36 | UNDERsoN | wols how I can find name of problem module? |
| 11:28.37 | Phil4 | guys, quick question... |
| 11:28.39 | wols | Arafangion: he has a slackware problem and asks #debian |
| 11:28.45 | wols | UNDERsoN: lspci |
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| 11:29.04 | wols | Arafangion: and he doesn't understand he's OT either |
| 11:29.12 | Arafangion | wols: I'm trying to find a place where you were "angry". |
| 11:29.24 | wols | Arafangion: telling him to "go away" |
| 11:29.30 | Phil4 | is it possible without the use of a cronjob etc. to maintain the ownership/permissions of all files in a directory. I.e. I want all files/dirs inside a directory to always be nobody:smbers 075 |
| 11:29.52 | Arafangion | wols: That was merely explicit. |
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| 11:30.40 | meezfoghi | Arafangion: that right |
| 11:31.29 | Arafangion | Nothing wrong at all with being explicit. |
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| 11:31.32 | cast | Phil4: with inotify one could run commands based on filesystem events, me thinks. [nfi if there's a better way to do what you want] |
| 11:31.43 | UNDERsoN | wols as I understand from dmesg this device was disabled by software method |
| 11:31.52 | sadmin | hey |
| 11:31.53 | sadmin | wols |
| 11:31.55 | sadmin | whats up |
| 11:31.57 | sadmin | any cure |
| 11:31.59 | Phil4 | cast, I'll tell you my overall aim to see if I'm thinking about this the wrong way |
| 11:32.02 | wols | UNDERsoN: please answer my questions |
| 11:32.03 | sadmin | rubymink |
| 11:32.18 | Phil4 | I have samba installed which is used by a bunch of different users |
| 11:32.28 | wols | sadmin: debian can't really support ages old kernels on etch |
| 11:32.42 | Phil4 | I want any user in the smbers group to have write access on it and any other user to have read access on it |
| 11:33.00 | sadmin | but see its ok does fsck works |
| 11:33.03 | sadmin | or not? |
| 11:33.14 | wols | sadmin: why dn't you try? |
| 11:33.25 | Arafangion | Phil4: man mount, pay attention to gid and uid. |
| 11:33.27 | sadmin | ok |
| 11:33.33 | Phil4 | however, when a user, e.g. 'phil', puts a file on there, it's permissions are phil:phil 744 |
| 11:33.34 | wols | and: if you have to ask this, you're not suited as a sysadmin |
| 11:33.37 | wols | not for a server |
| 11:33.41 | Arafangion | Phil4: That's the umask. |
| 11:35.31 | UNDERsoN | wols lspci http://pastebin.ca/770532 and problems from dmesg http://pastebin.ca/770534 |
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| 11:36.26 | wols | UNDERsoN: sata and ata are very different things |
| 11:36.42 | wols | oops. I misread. sorry |
| 11:36.48 | Phil4 | Arafangion, are the UID and GID maintained for newly added files? |
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| 11:37.14 | wols | UNDERsoN: looks like hardware failure. one very big possibility is a bad cable |
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| 11:37.43 | UNDERsoN | wols Any ideas what device have problem? |
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| 11:38.10 | DawnLight | i'm suffering from Advanced Technology Attachment syndrome |
| 11:38.10 | masus | hi all, and a good day :) |
| 11:38.21 | Arafangion | Phil4: Try it and see. |
| 11:38.25 | UNDERsoN | wols I think that it is cdrom |
| 11:38.36 | DawnLight | my pal suffers from Serial Advanced Technology Attachment syndrome |
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| 11:39.10 | Phil4 | although, Arafangion, with my file system being ext3, I cannot see any such options for that listed in man |
| 11:39.47 | wols | UNDERsoN: is there a USB disk connected? |
| 11:39.59 | J-roen | Hi. The qmgr application at my Debian server is constantly busy, but I don't understand why. It writes like 20 messages in mail.log every SECOND and uses hundreds of MBs per day. It is always the same log message: |
| 11:39.59 | J-roen | Nov 12 12:34:36 DDZ001 postfix/qmgr[24034]: 0C530118B16: from=<>, size=2608, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 11:39.59 | J-roen | Nov 12 12:34:36 DDZ001 postfix/qmgr[24034]: 0C530118B16: to=<www-data@domain.com>, relay=none, delay=105982, delays=105982/0.02/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to domain.com[12.34.56.78]: Connection refused) |
| 11:39.59 | J-roen | Why is this happening and how to solve this problem? Thanks. |
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| 11:40.20 | UNDERsoN | wols it was connetcted cdrom. From which I installed system |
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| 11:41.02 | wols | J-roen: why is there a "domain.com" there? |
| 11:41.02 | J-roen | Hi. The qmgr application at my Debian server is constantly busy, but I don't understand why. It writes like 20 messages in mail.log every SECOND and uses hundreds of MBs per day. It is always the same log message: |
| 11:41.12 | J-roen | I'm sorry, I thought that my message was not posted. |
| 11:41.19 | J-roen | I replaced my own domain with "domain.com". |
| 11:41.38 | wols | then make sure domain.com actually accepts mail. right now it does not |
| 11:41.45 | J-roen | Well, it SHOULD not accept mail. |
| 11:41.46 | UNDERsoN | wols was conneted usb cdrom now usb devices |
| 11:41.50 | iguanna | hi, how do i find out the @ip earmarked in my lan? |
| 11:41.52 | wols | J-roen: then don't send mail to it |
| 11:41.57 | J-roen | Well, I don't. |
| 11:42.01 | J-roen | Where is that mail coming from? |
| 11:42.05 | wols | J-roen: that logs proves otherwise |
| 11:42.12 | wols | it comes from www-data ie your apache |
| 11:42.26 | wols | oops. no. it goes to www-data. whyever that would be |
| 11:42.36 | J-roen | Yes, I really don't understand. |
| 11:42.52 | J-roen | This happens like 20 times per SECOND. |
| 11:43.11 | J-roen | It is from <> (empty)... |
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| 11:43.28 | J-roen | What I do know is that it isn't good for my server load :(. |
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| 11:43.45 | wols | J-roen: /var/lib/postfix/ |
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| 11:43.49 | wols | check the content of your mail |
| 11:44.00 | J-roen | There is no /var/lib/postfix |
| 11:44.02 | wols | should be enlightening |
| 11:44.13 | themill | J-roen: <> in the envelope usually means it's coming from the mailer daemon as a bounce message |
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| 11:44.33 | J-roen | wols: You mean /var/lib/enlightening? |
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| 11:44.58 | wols | J-roen: no I don't |
| 11:45.09 | J-roen | themill: Okay, so you mean that my mailer daemon bounces mail sent to www-data? |
| 11:45.09 | wols | J-roen: what postfix version is this? |
| 11:45.20 | wols | J-roen: find / -name deferred |
| 11:45.22 | J-roen | The latest stable (how can I check?). |
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| 11:45.47 | wols | J-roen: /var/spool/postfix/ it is |
| 11:45.51 | J-roen | Okay, I'll check. |
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| 11:46.25 | J-roen | Which folder should I check? |
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| 11:47.06 | wols | the "deferred" in the log seems to be a good hint, no? |
| 11:47.11 | themill | J-roen: other way around, mailer daemon bounces mail apparently sent by www-data |
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| 11:47.30 | J-roen | themill: Okay, how can that happen 20 times a second? :S |
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| 11:47.43 | J-roen | Does my www-data really send 20 messages per second? |
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| 11:47.54 | J-roen | Or can it be that a message is bounced in an infinite loop? |
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| 11:48.16 | Richo | funny story, i just changed from stable to testing, and now xorg doesn't work |
| 11:48.27 | Richo | starting X hangs the system, what are my options? |
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| 11:48.49 | wols | !tell Richo about drxx |
| 11:49.06 | wols | Richo: what videocard btw? or rather: which driver? |
| 11:49.19 | wols | anyone wanna take bets it's nvidia or fglrx? |
| 11:49.35 | themill | wols: don't like the odds... |
| 11:49.42 | wols | chicken! :P |
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| 11:49.55 | themill | J-roen: that message has been sitting in the queue for 29 hours... if it's the same message every time (check the message id in the log) then it's your retry rate |
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| 11:50.15 | Richo | wols: ummm it's a C&T 58881 based card i think |
| 11:50.17 | Richo | from memory |
| 11:50.23 | Richo | it's in a pentium mmx laptop |
| 11:50.37 | Richo | X worked fine till i updated, and now... well... nothing |
| 11:50.38 | wols | wow. what an oldtimer. could be testing xorg doesn't even support it anymore if you're unlucky :) |
| 11:50.50 | Richo | yeah i suspected that |
| 11:50.53 | wols | Richo: check your logs |
| 11:50.56 | Phil4 | what is wrong with `mount -t ext3 -o grpid /dev/hdb1`? |
| 11:50.58 | J-roen | themill: It is a different id every time :(. |
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| 11:51.21 | wols | Phil4: where does it say grpid is an valid option? |
| 11:51.27 | Phil4 | wols, man |
| 11:51.28 | cast | iwatch [app to watch directories/files, execute commands when things happen] is pretty neat |
| 11:51.28 | hatter | is it safe to remove /usr/share/doc ? |
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| 11:51.35 | J-roen | themill: I stopped my www-data cronjobs now and it seems like the flood also stopped. |
| 11:51.35 | wols | Phil4: man of what? |
| 11:51.38 | Phil4 | mount |
| 11:51.41 | J-roen | themill: Let's check :). |
| 11:51.43 | wols | hatter: not reall |
| 11:51.44 | wols | y |
| 11:51.55 | hatter | its just man pages isnt it ? |
| 11:52.06 | wols | no. it's documentation |
| 11:52.06 | Richo | wols: well, as far as i can see, my options are to remove all the new xorg packages, tell apt to use the stable sources, install xorg, and then be REALLY careful about what i update |
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| 11:52.18 | Richo | or remove xorg, compile from source, and manage it's updates myself |
| 11:52.19 | wols | !tell Richo about hold |
| 11:52.26 | mindshift | is there a package called kolourpaint in apt? |
| 11:52.30 | wols | Richo: have you checked your logs? |
| 11:52.36 | themill | J-roen: it's likely that you've got 7 days' or so worth of accumulated bounce messages too. That will give you several different message ids. |
| 11:52.37 | wols | !tell mindshift about search |
| 11:52.38 | Richo | not yet |
| 11:52.47 | Richo | where are X's logs kept? |
| 11:52.50 | mindshift | I don't have debian installed |
| 11:52.55 | J-roen | themill: Okay. My cronjobs weren't the problems, by the way. |
| 11:52.56 | wols | where all logs are kept /var/log/ |
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| 11:53.06 | themill | mindshift: read that factoid carefully |
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| 11:53.15 | wols | J-roen: have you found the bodies of the messages/bounces? |
| 11:53.23 | J-roen | themill: So my postfix is wrongly configured? It tries to bounce messages to the same server, which doesn't accept mail, and bounces again, and again...? |
| 11:53.31 | dalias | .. |
| 11:53.33 | J-roen | wols: No, where can I found those? |
| 11:53.33 | wols | J-roen: knowing the content will help you to know where it comes from |
| 11:53.40 | wols | J-roen: I told you |
| 11:53.43 | Phil4 | oh, I'm dumb |
| 11:53.48 | Phil4 | forgot the directory to mount to |
| 11:53.48 | Phil4 | duh |
| 11:53.49 | Phil4 | lol |
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| 11:54.19 | themill | J-roen: nfi. As wols said, look in the /var/spool/postfix/deferred/ dir to see the message bodies. They will have more info...we're just guessing here without that info. |
| 11:54.34 | J-roen | wols: Okay, I didn't understand that I should look in the folder 'deferred'. |
| 11:55.06 | EvilRick | hey guys, I'm running etch and freeradius 1.1.3 from teh main package repository. How do I figure out if freeradius was compiled with snmp support? the snmp conf files are tehre but dont seem to do anything. |
| 11:55.35 | J-roen | wols, themill: There are 16 folders in 'deferred' with each containing many messages. |
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| 11:55.45 | wols | EvilRick: get the source check the config options there. check if it depends on snmp in any way, etc |
| 11:55.56 | wols | J-roen: chances are it'S all the same shit |
| 11:56.05 | wols | just look into a file |
| 11:56.08 | J-roen | wols: Guess you're right. |
| 11:56.21 | J-roen | wols: Looks like they are error messages from cronjobs. |
| 11:57.00 | J-roen | Can I safely remove all those messages (guess not)? |
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| 11:58.20 | wols | J-roen: postfix flush |
| 11:58.29 | J-roen | Okay |
| 11:58.42 | cyberbaze | how can i install yaquake ? |
| 11:58.45 | EvilRick | wols: I did a ldd on it and I dont see any mention of snmp.. should it be linked if it has support? |
| 11:58.59 | wols | EvilRick: not sure |
| 11:59.06 | wols | but likely |
| 11:59.19 | wols | !tell cyberbaze about search |
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| 12:00.02 | Richo | there are no serious errors in my Xorg logs |
| 12:00.09 | Richo | well at least none that didn't come up when it was working |
| 12:00.33 | wols | pastebin it |
| 12:00.39 | Richo | ....the whole log? |
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| 12:00.45 | Richo | it's... well... it's not small |
| 12:01.06 | Richo | i grepped for EE, and got one line that i've seen millions of times |
| 12:01.21 | J-roen | Hmm... /var/spool/postfix/deferred contains 292 MB :P. |
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| 12:03.06 | import | how do i list every single installed program on my computer. I want to remove some themes to free up alot of space |
| 12:03.36 | wols | dpkg -l|grep ^ii |
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| 12:04.06 | import | thank u |
| 12:04.11 | themill | import: also look at deborphan or debfoster |
| 12:04.22 | wols | or simply use aptitude always |
| 12:04.43 | wols | wow, I had a line starting with dpkg and the bot didn't trigger |
| 12:04.46 | wols | dpkg: are you alive? |
| 12:05.02 | themill | !ping |
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| 12:05.14 | themill | !wb |
| 12:05.18 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 12:05.21 | import | aww sounds good |
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| 12:05.38 | themill | wols: yeah... if only people did... We need to do a s/apt-get/aptitude/ across the entire web though. |
| 12:05.56 | wols | themill: you can take apt-get from my dead cold hands :P |
| 12:06.08 | wols | besides: I run sid and now have autoremove too :P |
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| 12:06.19 | themill | true and lenny, I think |
| 12:06.29 | liable | no excuse |
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| 12:07.14 | Richo | wols: what i meant to ask before, is what are the chances that if i jump a bit further off the cliff and install sid it'll fix X ? |
| 12:08.46 | liable | grr, my stupid phone is infuriatingly fussy with what transcode options it takes for video |
| 12:08.59 | cydork | Richo: that will be jumping of the cliff.. |
| 12:09.00 | import | debfoster kicks ass |
| 12:09.22 | import | this will help with my remaster alot, hey thanks themill |
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| 12:09.38 | themill | liable: transcode on a phone?! |
| 12:09.48 | Richo | cydork: i know it's probably not a great idea, but really.. what other options do i have? |
| 12:09.56 | themill | import: no worries. deborphan and debfoster are handy... but using aptitude properly is even better :) |
| 12:10.13 | wols | Richo: unlikely |
| 12:10.14 | Richo | i've been told elsewhere that really going back to the stable packages is going to be impossible |
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| 12:10.24 | liable | themill: transcoding clips so the phones stupid realplayer will play them |
| 12:10.41 | petemc | my phone uses realplayer too, seems not too bad |
| 12:10.44 | wols | Richo: I asked you to do something. you could also try vesa (probably not a big different...) |
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| 12:11.05 | themill | liable: how long does the transcode take on the phone's processor? |
| 12:11.09 | Richo | wols: i looked though logs, nothing of interest that wasn't there before |
| 12:11.21 | wols | Richo: suit yourself then |
| 12:11.22 | cydork | Richo: yes, going back to stable is not an option.. you can check the bts though.. |
| 12:11.25 | petemc | themill: i think he means transcoding before putting on the phone |
| 12:11.42 | Richo | i'm not trying to be difficult though it may seem that way |
| 12:11.52 | Richo | cydork: bts? |
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| 12:11.58 | cydork | !bts |
| 12:11.58 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 12:12.17 | liable | themill: transcode on the laptop, then transfer, i shudder to think how long that would take on the phone :) |
| 12:12.26 | themill | liable petemc: that's sort of what I was hoping.... :) |
| 12:12.40 | wols | liable: just think the amount of battery used :) |
| 12:12.42 | themill | either that or I was going to have to find you and rumble you for your phone... |
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| 12:14.03 | liable | heh |
| 12:14.40 | Richo | turns out vesa was what failed, i was reading errors in the wrong order |
| 12:15.06 | liable | grr, another baulked transcode.. i really should write shit down.. |
| 12:15.12 | liable | petemc: what do you use? |
| 12:15.37 | petemc | n95 |
| 12:15.59 | petemc | or, for transcoding? |
| 12:16.06 | liable | ya, transcoding |
| 12:16.11 | petemc | ffmpeg |
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| 12:16.50 | liable | am using avidemux, but for the life of me i cant remember what settings worked.. :( |
| 12:16.56 | petemc | like i say tho, i dont have much bother with the media player |
| 12:17.21 | petemc | if realplayer plays it on the pc, then it generally plays it on the phone |
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| 12:17.56 | liable | eww, i wont install the fucker on my laptop ;) |
| 12:18.08 | petemc | its a good way to test.. |
| 12:18.09 | wols | liable: helix-player? |
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| 12:18.57 | liable | yeah, i know about that, i dont really need it, the phones one apparently does avi mp4 real and a load of shit, but its really quite fussy |
| 12:19.17 | themill | liable: you could put it in a vm or a chroot... might make you feel less violated ;) |
| 12:19.42 | liable | it took me a while to get it right last time, am going to make damn sure i write the settings down this time when i get it right |
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| 12:22.48 | Richo | wols: i hereby offer my sincere apologies |
| 12:23.08 | liable | petemc: what settings do you use with ffmpeg? |
| 12:23.11 | Richo | i only just noticed that pm you got dpkg to send me, i just reconfigured X and it's running merrily now |
| 12:23.26 | Richo | so, thanks and sorry again |
| 12:24.15 | petemc | liable: off the top of my head - 320x240 using h264 |
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| 12:25.09 | liable | yerp |
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| 12:25.46 | liable | i was convinced i had it working with mpg4 at one stage also |
| 12:26.13 | liable | xvid.. |
| 12:26.34 | J-roen | wols, themill: Thanks, my problems are solved. |
| 12:26.55 | petemc | liable: yeah, h264 is the codec, its a mp4 file |
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| 12:27.34 | liable | petemc: i was using avi last time i am sure.. (i cant be certain cause my memory sucks) |
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| 12:27.46 | petemc | liable: yeah, another container format |
| 12:27.51 | liable | yeah |
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| 12:29.40 | RichiH | /etc/network/interfaces does not contain any static stancas, yet this box has a fixed IP. where else could i look? |
| 12:29.52 | petemc | could have been set with ifconfig |
| 12:29.59 | wols | RichiH: DHCP? |
| 12:30.04 | Orion_X11 | Could someone help me with yelp? It does not show contents. But complains about stylesheet and shows this output > http://paste.debian.net/42176 |
| 12:30.07 | liable | RichiH: its not an alias iface is it? |
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| 12:31.41 | RichiH | wols: static |
| 12:31.46 | Orion_X11 | So. I can see nothing in yelp to help me with application manuals :-( |
| 12:32.03 | RichiH | liable: no, it is a hard interface, i.e. eth0 |
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| 12:32.10 | wols | RichiH: so what is in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:32.19 | liable | RichiH: not 169 address? |
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| 12:32.31 | wols | you know DHCP can assign always the same IP based on MAC for example |
| 12:32.56 | liable | it will if it has the ap in the leases file |
| 12:33.17 | dalias | actually dhcp _should_ do that if possible, imo |
| 12:33.36 | liable | it does if the ip isnt taken |
| 12:33.56 | dalias | to avoid abusers jumping from ip to ip to vote-spam, avoid irc bans, etc. |
| 12:33.59 | liable | check /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases |
| 12:34.12 | dalias | i mean the server should refuse to give you a new ip |
| 12:34.16 | dalias | and always give the same one |
| 12:34.25 | chuck_ | hi, my friend is trying to install debian etch on his server, but the installer fails to connect to the mirror servers |
| 12:34.33 | chuck_ | he's using the netinstall |
| 12:35.21 | chuck_ | it fails with BAD ARCHIVE MIRROR |
| 12:35.25 | chuck_ | anyone know what's wrong? |
| 12:36.01 | liable | chuck_: could be related to the recent debian ftp master baulkage |
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| 12:36.33 | liable | chuck_: get him to install without the net connected, the update after installation |
| 12:36.50 | chuck_ | he says he couldn't get past that update though |
| 12:37.18 | \amethyst | chuck_: try selecting a different mirror, perhaps? |
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| 12:37.33 | chuck_ | okay, any one in particular? |
| 12:37.50 | sf7 | how to find where my movie player (totem) looks for codecs? |
| 12:38.12 | sf7 | i just downloaded 10 megs of codecs |
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| 12:38.25 | sf7 | the readme say s to dump them all in the dir where my player dcan find them |
| 12:38.25 | \amethyst | chuck_: which one is it using right now? |
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| 12:39.05 | chuck_ | he's using Asahi net in japan |
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| 12:39.42 | sf7 | will totem have a config file, which specifies the codec dir? |
| 12:39.48 | sf7 | if so, where to look for the config file? |
| 12:40.19 | Litho | good day, is it possible to have an email in a debian.com domain? :) |
| 12:40.26 | chuck_ | he said he tried most of them, and none of them worked |
| 12:40.36 | \amethyst | chuck_: hm |
| 12:41.11 | cast | Litho: sure, but i think you'd have to become a dev or some other member of debian |
| 12:41.20 | DawnLight | .com? |
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| 12:42.09 | Litho | yes .com |
| 12:43.31 | Litho | i am not a member of debian, what can i do to receive email, |
| 12:43.56 | wols | Litho: not possible. only DDs have debian.ORG addys |
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| 12:45.17 | chuck_ | \lamethyst: know why it's doing that? |
| 12:45.39 | \amethyst | chuck_: No, sorry :( If none of the other Japanese mirrors work, I don't know what to suggest |
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| 12:49.38 | Bracki | How is the hostname set with dhcp? |
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| 12:50.05 | DawnLight | i've typed whois microsoft.com and i got lots of spam. wtf? |
| 12:50.27 | wols | DawnLight: what kind of spam? |
| 12:50.32 | Bracki | I just want to make sure /etc/network/interfaces is configured so that hostname is the name retrieved from dhcp. |
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| 12:50.38 | DawnLight | wols: try and see |
| 12:51.24 | wols | DawnLight: not spam. normal |
| 12:51.31 | DawnLight | aha |
| 12:51.52 | cast | no spam here |
| 12:52.08 | DawnLight | i call it spam |
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| 12:55.11 | DustyDingo | can anybody point an actually working nvidia glx tutorial out? |
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| 12:55.39 | cast | as in how to install? |
| 12:55.44 | wols | !tell DustyDingo about nvidia |
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| 12:56.19 | wols | DustyDingo: what debian branch, what nvidia card? |
| 12:56.27 | \amethyst | wols: `MICROSOFT.COM.ARE.GODDAMN.PIGFUCKERS.NET.NS-NOT-IN-SERVICE.COM' is normal? |
| 12:56.31 | DustyDingo | unstable amd64 |
| 12:56.48 | wols | \amethyst: considering how DNS works: yes |
| 12:57.06 | wols | see the fordsucks.com thing from 2600 magazine |
| 12:57.26 | \amethyst | wols: I didn't realize that whois foo.com was supposed to return every domain with foo.com in it |
| 12:57.33 | DustyDingo | though the wikipage stored in the bot is the best information until now, i will try that first |
| 12:57.56 | wols | DustyDingo: what nvidia card? |
| 12:58.17 | dalias | i don't think it's "supposed to".. |
| 12:58.28 | Bracki | So is there a way to update /etc/hostname to the current dhcp settings? |
| 12:58.33 | dalias | the operator of the whois server decides how it searches for queries |
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| 12:59.37 | DustyDingo | 7800GT |
| 12:59.55 | RichiH | wols: one nameserver config. nothing else |
| 13:00.22 | wols | Ronin: not even an "auto eth0"? |
| 13:00.54 | RichiH | liable: no, no 169 address |
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| 13:01.01 | RichiH | wols: no |
| 13:01.18 | DustyDingo | strange, a secong module-assistant call did the trick |
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| 13:04.13 | schemelab | what commands should I run regularly on my Debian/Etch box to make sure that I have the latest releases of packages? |
| 13:04.23 | schemelab | rather, to go ahead and get them, not just check |
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| 13:06.21 | tls_81 | Good morning, I know this is off-topic but... anyone know of a good retailer for components including cases in UK ? Anyone use and want to recomend a great company? thx |
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| 13:06.55 | sysadmin-lb | Hi All I have setup my linux box to be a smtp gateway it filters spam and sends valid emails to my exchange server. I have only allowed emails to my domain to be forwarded through the postfix deamon so that wont be a target for Spammers however, this stopping me from being able to send emails generated on the linux box itself to the internet I.e. Gmail or otherwise..any hints please ? |
| 13:07.13 | wols | schemelab: aptitude update;aptitude upgrade |
| 13:07.38 | tiny | Hi! How do I create local debian package repository? I'd like to switch from the one I'm using now(over net) to a local one since this box will ultimately be without inet. |
| 13:07.50 | wols | !tell sysadmin-lb about errors |
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| 13:08.27 | cast | tiny: could grab the dvds, there's 3 for i386 binaries |
| 13:08.27 | schemelab | wols thanks |
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| 13:08.46 | Leopald | hi |
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| 13:09.41 | Leopald | a bit general question.. We use squirrelmail with debian(all locales installed) but we can't show russian chars, when the sm's language is set to english |
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| 13:10.19 | Leopald | is it even in general possible to show cyrilic(or something like that) chars when a software is using utf-8 for example |
| 13:10.42 | tiny | cast: I just unpack them into a dir and edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 13:11.15 | wols | tiny: apt-cdrom |
| 13:11.23 | cast | well, i meant more using the dvds as sources |
| 13:11.29 | wols | tiny: you simply put some deb cdrom: lines in your sources.list |
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| 13:12.16 | tiny | wols: what if I used network repo till now? Can I rsync somehow from that repo? |
| 13:12.51 | tiny | wols: I'm worried DVD packages and network repository will not be in sync. |
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| 13:15.11 | sysadmin-lb | about my postfix problem I use the command mail mymail@gmail.com |
| 13:15.13 | sysadmin-lb | http://rafb.net/p/0yBSLD72.html |
| 13:15.18 | sysadmin-lb | here is the postfix output |
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| 13:16.27 | cast | tiny: are you using etch? |
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| 13:17.10 | onvsop | hey :) |
| 13:17.28 | onvsop | was wondering if there is any way to select the default window manager in debian |
| 13:17.37 | onvsop | the default desktop environment sorry |
| 13:17.45 | onvsop | for example with xwm you can do xwmconfig |
| 13:18.02 | tiny | cast: /etc/debian_version = 4 |
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| 13:20.29 | tiny | cast: yes etch |
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| 13:20.44 | cast | tiny: i wouldn't worry about out-of-syncness then, |
| 13:20.53 | tiny | cast: ok |
| 13:21.02 | cahoot | onvsop: try man update-alternatives |
| 13:21.08 | tiny | cast: can't I just rsync from current repository? |
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| 13:21.18 | onvsop | cheers cachoot |
| 13:21.28 | cast | tiny: i'm sure you can, and i'm sure there are numerous instructions for making local repos :P |
| 13:21.40 | cast | just the dvd/cdrom sets are intended for such use |
| 13:21.48 | Roy_M | hi, I am having problems joining and sending emails to some of the linux mailing lists. Does anyone know of a good channel to go and get advice about this? |
| 13:21.53 | zythmer | onvsop: default window manager is selected by /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager (if present) or ~/.xsessionrc |
| 13:22.15 | tiny | cast: i don't use CD/DVD media any more. I prefer network intalls. |
| 13:22.20 | tiny | installs even |
| 13:22.39 | onvsop | zythmer: what about the desktop environment |
| 13:22.54 | mbroeker | sysadmin-lb, can you paste your main.cf ? |
| 13:25.18 | cast | fair enough |
| 13:26.35 | onvsop | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 13:27.05 | onvsop | is only for twm, metacity - how do i confgure if i want kde or gnome |
| 13:27.09 | Bushmills | can somebody suggest a SIP proxy which allows to connect to several SIP providers, while a usr can connect with a single SIP line to the proxy, something along the line of mysipswitch (which requires mono plus some additional windows libs plus has no docs, and says "better run it on windows :( )? |
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| 13:27.35 | Bushmills | i'm afraid openser would be overkill, and asterisk too, plus seems to be a bit unstable |
| 13:28.01 | onvsop | asterisk is nice ;D |
| 13:28.20 | Bushmills | onvsop: i looked at it, was a bit intimidated by the 60+ config files |
| 13:28.33 | onvsop | hehe :D |
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| 13:28.39 | onvsop | i can imagine |
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| 13:29.12 | Bushmills | and i was warned by a friend who runs it that it is not very stable, but will crash frequently |
| 13:29.30 | Bushmills | i want to run that proxy/server on a dedicated server |
| 13:29.33 | ricosecada | Hi. I recently removed a network card eth0, and only have one, its called eth2, I would like it to be called eth0, I can't remember or find info on how to change that. |
| 13:29.44 | Bushmills | and just connect to it through a vpn there |
| 13:29.53 | stew | ricosecada: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 13:29.55 | Bushmills | solves any nat/firewall issues and such |
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| 13:31.00 | ricosecada | thanks stew |
| 13:31.01 | onvsop | Bushmills: maybe check out http://www.trixbox.org/ |
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| 13:31.09 | onvsop | formerly asterix @ home |
| 13:31.13 | mindshift | I can't install debian |
| 13:31.15 | mindshift | I mean |
| 13:31.17 | onvsop | ;) |
| 13:31.24 | mindshift | I can't accsess the debian download page |
| 13:31.51 | Bushmills | onvsop: i will, thank you |
| 13:32.03 | onvsop | no worries - let me know what you think :D |
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| 13:32.49 | onvsop | take a look @ the features / screenshots |
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| 13:33.11 | Bushmills | currently looking through all on this list: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Open+Source+VOIP+Software |
| 13:33.23 | Bushmills | but no trixbox there. incomplete list ... |
| 13:33.44 | onvsop | havea look - ou may hate the idea - or be pleasantly supprised |
| 13:33.47 | Bushmills | but looks like most are only to address nat issues |
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| 13:34.38 | onvsop | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager is only for twm, metacity etc - how do i confgure if i want kde or gnome |
| 13:36.08 | Bushmills | onvsop: possibly through /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 13:36.14 | mbroeker | onvsop, echo "/usr/bin/kdm" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 13:36.49 | onvsop | and per user through .xinitrc or something? |
| 13:37.26 | onvsop | i was just wondering if there was a util for it :) |
| 13:37.57 | Bushmills | onvsop: display managers sometimes let you specify the desktop at login time |
| 13:38.04 | Bushmills | onvsop: gdm and kdm do |
| 13:38.49 | onvsop | :) cheers |
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| 13:41.47 | mbroeker | onvsop, kdm can handle it for you as Bushmills told you. users can specify it in ~/.xsession |
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| 13:43.53 | onvsop | mbroeker: so say i have fluxbox and gnome, now how do i make fluxbox the default |
| 13:44.09 | onvsop | only for one specific user |
| 13:44.21 | onvsop | in their ~/.xsession? |
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| 13:45.18 | mbroeker | onvsop, yes: echo "/usr/bin/startfluxbox" > /home/<user>/.xsession ;; or what the startcommand will be |
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| 13:45.40 | onvsop | cheers mbroeker :)( |
| 13:45.41 | onvsop | :) |
| 13:45.42 | mindshift | is there a testing debian net installer iso? |
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| 13:46.15 | mbroeker | onvsop, i have heared that exec $command in that script is prefereable but it works both... |
| 13:46.28 | onvsop | thanks again mbroeker |
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| 13:47.54 | mindshift | I guess not |
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| 13:48.30 | k31th | anyone running backup exec remote agent on debian? |
| 13:48.32 | nelf | join #ubuntu |
| 13:48.38 | nelf | whoops |
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| 13:49.37 | DustyDingo | hm, should i be worried about gpu temperatures over 100C? :) |
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| 13:50.18 | onvsop | sounds a bit ont he hot side to me |
| 13:50.28 | onvsop | but i have heard of ppl running those templs happily |
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| 13:51.29 | FordCortina | can you run kernel 2.6.23 as a tickless kernel? i cant find config_no_hz in the config. does that mean that I need to find a patch? |
| 13:51.37 | mindshift | doesn't development get inefficient when there are so many people working on the same thing? |
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| 13:51.44 | FordCortina | i thought tickless was in the mainline.... :S |
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| 13:52.02 | stew | FordCortina: are you on amd64? |
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| 13:52.10 | FordCortina | yeah |
| 13:52.29 | zythmer | mindshift: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:52.32 | stew | FordCortina: then yes. you'd have to find a patch. and expect it to be buggy |
| 13:52.37 | FordCortina | :S |
| 13:52.45 | FordCortina | thanks stew! |
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| 13:53.15 | stew | FordCortina: i386 doesn't need a patch. right now the i386 and amd64 trees are being merged, after which it will be officially available for amd64 |
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| 13:53.32 | FordCortina | :) nice |
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| 13:55.31 | libervisco | Hi |
| 13:55.53 | libervisco | Why do I keep getting this stuff: hdb: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 13:56.04 | libervisco | and hdb: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request. |
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| 13:56.35 | mindshift | can I get testing with the stable net install cd? |
| 13:56.36 | libervisco | It's not a hardware failure because it doesn't happen elsewhere and because I know this happened before when Jmicron support was inadequate |
| 13:56.48 | mindshift | is there a way to change it during the installation? |
| 13:56.55 | libervisco | but since then support should have been solidified |
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| 13:57.23 | libervisco | mindshift, I think so, yes, but only after changing sources.list from stable to testing and then doing dist-upgrade |
| 13:57.34 | libervisco | mindshift, but you can download a testing netinstall directly |
| 13:58.08 | mindshift | libervisco: Where can I find it? |
| 13:58.20 | mindshift | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:58.28 | stew | libervisco: likely your hard drive is dying (or your cable has gone bad). you should make a backup immediately |
| 13:58.48 | libervisco | mindshift, http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:59.23 | libervisco | stew, I just said, it's not a hardware failure, it does not happen on other distros and it DID happen months before when support in kernel wasn't there |
| 13:59.49 | libervisco | That was in May 2007 when testing had 2.6.18 |
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| 14:00.07 | libervisco | now it has 2.6.22 and it still doesn't work yet on Ubuntu, for one, there are no problems at all |
| 14:00.22 | libervisco | which is a pity, switching to Ubuntu just because of that.. |
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| 14:00.29 | libervisco | Something's missing here.. |
| 14:00.38 | onvsop | Bushmills: did you get a chance to check out trixbox? |
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| 14:01.01 | mbroeker | libervisco, have you configured /etc/conf.d/hdparm or so? |
| 14:01.07 | Bushmills | onvsop: not yet. as always, doing 5 things at the same time |
| 14:01.15 | onvsop | :D |
| 14:01.15 | onvsop | hehe |
| 14:01.16 | libervisco | mbroeker, didn't touch it yet |
| 14:01.22 | \amethyst | libervisco: have you tried booting debian with ubuntu's kernel ? |
| 14:01.39 | libervisco | \amethyst, nope.. that'd be messy :) |
| 14:01.42 | \amethyst | (and modules, obviously) |
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| 14:02.16 | \amethyst | libervisco: that would at least let you know whether it's a problem with the Debian kernel, or something in userspace |
| 14:02.17 | libervisco | /etc/conf.d/hdparm doesn't exist on my system |
| 14:02.24 | mbroeker | libervisco, ok, if default values caused such a trouble, the hardware is broken or there is a jumper/wire problem. open the pc and try to replug the cable. if it doesnt help, save money for a new harddrive... |
| 14:02.53 | libervisco | mbroeker, man, for the third time, if it doesn't happen on other distros how can it be a hardware problem? |
| 14:03.05 | mindshift | ok thanks |
| 14:03.06 | libervisco | I was on Fedora 8 and Zenwalk just yesterday and didn't see this happening |
| 14:03.18 | sep | libervisco, is it just a log entry, or do you avtualy have problem using the device ? |
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| 14:03.23 | libervisco | It's not a cable, not a hardware failure, it's a software failure |
| 14:03.24 | mindshift | hmm, zenwalk could be something |
| 14:03.31 | ufk | are there pre-made debian images that I can use for debootstrap ? |
| 14:04.04 | libervisco | sep, I think it disrupts and slows down reading CDs and DVDs |
| 14:04.06 | mbroeker | libervisco, ok. i see. |
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| 14:09.43 | sep | libervisco, i have heard that some boards may or many not like piix or ata_piix, if you use piix try ata_piix,, and if you use ata_piix try piix :) |
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| 14:10.59 | libervisco | sep, what was the command to unload a kernel module? |
| 14:11.10 | libervisco | It seems to be running ata_piix |
| 14:11.30 | sep | libervisco, dont think you can unload thatone youd loose all devices ? |
| 14:11.50 | sep | i guess it's loeded tru initrd, |
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| 14:12.15 | libervisco | oh |
| 14:12.22 | libervisco | guess I'll need to reboot then |
| 14:12.24 | libervisco | :) |
| 14:12.34 | sep | so i would have tried to make a new initrd and have it use the other piixish thingy |
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| 14:13.06 | sep | libervisco, you can also try to boot your ubuntu and see if that uses ata_piix or piix as a quick check |
| 14:13.52 | libervisco | bah I forgot how to make initrds :D |
| 14:14.15 | libervisco | I thought I could just maybe blacklist one and load another in /etc/modules |
| 14:14.48 | steve123 | is it ok to talk german here or is there a german channel? |
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| 14:14.59 | sep | libervisco, they cant read that file without access to devices. it's definitiftly loaded thru initrd |
| 14:15.03 | sep | !de |
| 14:15.03 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 14:15.16 | steve123 | :-) |
| 14:15.22 | libervisco | sep, I see, makes sense |
| 14:15.33 | Phil4 | is it possible to get inoticoming/something similar to work for directories as well as files? |
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| 14:17.29 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 14:17.55 | SamuraiDio | i'm trying to mount a usb device but thunar says that i dont have permissions todo it |
| 14:18.05 | Appiah | tried as root? |
| 14:18.16 | Appiah | check your /etc/fstab then |
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| 14:18.40 | SamuraiDio | but common user shoud do it |
| 14:18.45 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: consider to install usbmount, are add "user" to the mount flags in /etc/fstab |
| 14:18.47 | SamuraiDio | and its not on fstab |
| 14:19.18 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, usbmount is not needed, i did it on another pc |
| 14:19.28 | SamuraiDio | with no usbmount, and no entry on fstab |
| 14:19.33 | Bushmills | s/are/or/ |
| 14:19.34 | stew | SamuraiDio: see what groups you are in on the other pc |
| 14:19.40 | stew | SamuraiDio: perhaps the plugdev group |
| 14:19.59 | SamuraiDio | stew, these: diovani dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
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| 14:20.23 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: add a line to sudo, to allow user to mount stick |
| 14:20.37 | stew | SamuraiDio: add yourself to plugdev, logout and log back in, then try again |
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| 14:21.21 | zippi | life is good now mplayer is packaged for etch, but exact where is mencoder these days? the great google is not being very helpful... any ideas? |
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| 14:21.28 | SamuraiDio | stew, but i am on plugdev |
| 14:21.51 | sf7 | can anyone tell me where to install codecs so mplayer can see them (etch)? |
| 14:21.54 | Bushmills | zippi. same source where mplayer comes from. apt-get install mencoder |
| 14:22.27 | stew | SamuraiDio: read /usr/share/doc/thunar/README.Debian |
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| 14:22.57 | stew | zippi: mencoder is not in debian becuase of problems with patents |
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| 14:23.02 | Phil4 | what the fuck... |
| 14:23.06 | Phil4 | apt-get install gamin |
| 14:23.11 | Phil4 | installs 2 packages |
| 14:23.14 | Phil4 | apt-get remove gamin |
| 14:23.19 | zippi | bushmills - thx, but no cigar (it's not there). |
| 14:23.20 | Phil4 | wants to remove 87 packages |
| 14:23.23 | SamuraiDio | sf7, add 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main' to your sources.list, and install w32codecs |
| 14:23.24 | Bushmills | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| 14:23.26 | Phil4 | where's the logic behind that? |
| 14:23.27 | Phil4 | heh |
| 14:23.32 | sohmestra | what's the name of that utility that converts ps to pdf, and allows you to put multiple pages on one page, etc? |
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| 14:23.43 | stew | dpkg: tell Phil4 about enter |
| 14:23.44 | sf7 | thx! |
| 14:23.55 | zippi | stew - ah. well, at least there is an "answer". are you sure, though? mplayer is (well, partially) sorted, but mencoder is still problematic? |
| 14:23.57 | stew | Phil4: does "apt-get -f install" want to do anything? |
| 14:23.58 | mogra | mornin, debbers |
| 14:24.01 | Bushmills | zippi, add that to your sources.list. (use your version instead of testing) |
| 14:24.02 | stew | zippi: yes. i'm sure |
| 14:24.11 | marvil07 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- lenny or sid images? |
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| 14:25.53 | themill | marvil07: lenny yes, sid no. There are no installers for sid; install lenny then upgrade |
| 14:26.03 | marvil07 | thanks themill |
| 14:26.04 | sf7 | thing is ive got a 9.5meg file: essential-20071007 can i use it instead of apt-getting? |
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| 14:26.16 | sf7 | (10 meg is a big dl on this connect :/) |
| 14:26.33 | zippi | bushmills - ok, will check it out... but i've never been comfortable with extra repos - i'm one of those militantly free kind of debian people (excepting multimedia, har har)... thanks. |
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| 14:26.52 | Bushmills | zippi, in that case you shouldn't use mencoder |
| 14:27.13 | Bushmills | zippi, it contains non-free codecs |
| 14:27.52 | Bushmills | zippi, also, extra repos doesn't imply "non-free" |
| 14:27.53 | zippi | bushmills - yes, probably. it's my one failing. my computers never completely work, but video... well... |
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| 14:29.02 | zippi | bushmills - sure, extra <> non-free - just I don't what to pull weird extra stuff |
| 14:29.03 | sf7 | ive already downloaded a bunch of codecs so i dont want to apt-get them again |
| 14:29.08 | sf7 | i just need to know where to put them |
| 14:29.17 | sf7 | can anyone tell me? |
| 14:29.23 | mguezuraga | Where can I find a torrent for the latest netinstall? (i386) |
| 14:29.39 | mguezuraga | !torrent |
| 14:29.39 | dpkg | it has been said that torrent is apt-cache search torrent and then pick a package you like, install it and read its documentation |
| 14:29.51 | mguezuraga | !netinst |
| 14:29.51 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 14:30.05 | Bushmills | hmm "i want mencoder, it is not in debian" "there it is" "but i don't want extra stuff" |
| 14:30.19 | mguezuraga | wget is trying to locate a dead mirror, and I can't skip it |
| 14:30.22 | Bushmills | you choose, zippi |
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| 14:32.04 | possie | is there a way to make a filesystem which will safe files in a compressed manner? |
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| 14:32.25 | wols | possie: FUSE probably |
| 14:32.34 | mguezuraga | ok, mirror responded... |
| 14:32.52 | possie | wols, no special attributes to ext2/ext3 perhaps? |
| 14:32.56 | zippi | bushmills - absolutely. the question (initially) was "mplayer there, mencoder not, am i missing something?" and I've got the answer - licenses. and that's the reason I use debian - no headaches from reading licenses. so now I know I need to read lots, understand more interactions - and so on. no problems - my question has been answered. thanks heaps. |
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| 14:36.00 | vovo | I can't find the file /etc/xinetd.d. Where do I define the services? |
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| 14:36.32 | stew | vovo: /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 14:38.06 | tiny | there's apt-mirror !!! |
| 14:38.06 | vovo | stew: how do I have to reload to make the changes in /etc/inetd.conf effective? |
| 14:38.07 | tiny | heh |
| 14:38.30 | cahoot | vov kill -SIGHUP inetd |
| 14:39.10 | cahoot | vovo err kill -SIGHUP `pidof inetd` |
| 14:40.15 | junix|work | hi, i am havoing some issues gettintg the ATI Control panel to come up in gnome; i have to move my mouse to the left of my screen, when the other screen is to my right |
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| 14:41.28 | DawnLight | junix|work: read the driver documentation |
| 14:41.37 | junix|work | DawnLight, thanks |
| 14:42.07 | stew | vovo: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd reload |
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| 14:42.54 | libervisco | How do I unload one module instead of another in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? |
| 14:43.00 | dogwater | Hi, anyone around here that uses debian on servers? |
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| 14:43.07 | libervisco | to replace ata_piix with piix? |
| 14:43.23 | mogra | dogwater: is there anything else to use on servers? I mean, that runs well at the same time :3 |
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| 14:43.47 | wfq | hi |
| 14:43.51 | dogwater | Well we use Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, Fedora, RHEL, SuSE, Gentoo and 3 Different versions of Windows |
| 14:44.05 | dogwater | I just had a specific question about debian |
| 14:44.07 | petemc | yay for uniformity |
| 14:44.09 | phogg | dogwater: congratulations |
| 14:44.23 | DawnLight | !ask |
| 14:44.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:44.26 | phogg | dogwater: then why did you ask if people used Debian? You are in #debian... don't you think it likely? |
| 14:44.27 | onvsop | whats your question? |
| 14:44.34 | mogra | wow, note I had state "that runs well", that cuts 7 off your list |
| 14:44.41 | mogra | stated* |
| 14:45.01 | dogwater | I was asking if anyone in here runs debian on servers |
| 14:45.16 | phogg | !tell dogwater about polls |
| 14:45.18 | onvsop | mogra: hey i dont think you should be cutting gentoo off the list |
| 14:45.19 | onvsop | :D |
| 14:45.47 | mogra | onvsop: I'm not. Ubuntu, CentOS, Fedura, Suse + 3 versions of Windows... 7 |
| 14:45.53 | onvsop | hahaha :D |
| 14:45.55 | onvsop | nice 1 :D |
| 14:46.06 | stew | libervisco: is the drive you are having trouble with a SATA drive? |
| 14:46.18 | dogwater | Just wondering if you've noticed during install when hardware raid - 1 is involved during install if there is sometimes a 2+ hr delay involved with the 33% formatting status bar |
| 14:46.20 | junix|work | hi is there a reason my ATI Ctronl Center won't open in Gnome?? |
| 14:46.23 | libervisco | stew, nope, PATA |
| 14:46.44 | phogg | dogwater: that has never happened to me. |
| 14:46.46 | libervisco | stew, otherwise it'd probably work fine as it'd use a native intel controller, this way it has to use jmicron |
| 14:46.49 | wols | stew: JMicron is the (shitty) IDE chip on boards with newer intel ICHs |
| 14:46.59 | libervisco | yeah |
| 14:47.00 | mogra | dogwater: I've got a RAID on mine, no problems. |
| 14:47.12 | stew | libervisco: are you sure your card is supported by both modules? i don't see any device ids in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap that supported by both cards |
| 14:47.14 | wfq | what would it happen had I a line in my hosts file as follow: "mycurrentip www.formerdns.com formerdns.com"?. When a user click on a link of my app installed in my current ip, although this link is hardcoded in the code as a former url, now my server will translate this ip from my hosts, won't it? |
| 14:47.14 | phogg | dogwater: plus, that does not sound like it's server-related. What hardawre are you seeing this problem on? |
| 14:47.54 | dogwater | Its a Dell 840 and a Dell 1900 with a SAS 5iR I notice it only does this if the disks already had an OS previously installed on them, if the disks are 'clean' there is no delay in the format process |
| 14:48.06 | libervisco | stew, not sure, I was suggested to try since it's already running ata_piix.. |
| 14:48.12 | mogra | >.> it's a 4 letter word... |
| 14:48.16 | Bushmills | onvsop: trixbox seems to be available as boot image only. proxy plus os |
| 14:48.27 | stew | libervisco: you can list piix in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ; and blacklist ata_piix: "/msg dpkg blacklist" |
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| 14:48.53 | phogg | wfq: as long as the name lookup for the formerdns.com is done on your server and not on the client and a domain name is not actually returned to the client it should be okay, |
| 14:48.55 | mindshift | are the /etc/ /bin/ directories chaos in debian? |
| 14:49.08 | wols | mindshift: huh? |
| 14:49.08 | onvsop | Bushmills: That is the compramise for the web-config ui you get ;D |
| 14:49.23 | mindshift | are they in a state of chaos..? :) |
| 14:49.24 | sohmestra | mindshift: they are peace. |
| 14:49.26 | phogg | dogwater: very strange. You might want to file a bug against the installer. |
| 14:49.26 | stew | libervisco: you really should make a backup before you do much more however |
| 14:49.36 | libervisco | stew, I see, thanks. |
| 14:49.44 | Bushmills | onvsop: ah,. ok. then i can't tell you what i think - intending to use it on a dedicated server, with os installed and running |
| 14:49.45 | libervisco | It's not a hardware issue |
| 14:49.52 | mindshift | I want a tree that is unbloated un not in chaos |
| 14:49.59 | mindshift | and* |
| 14:50.05 | wols | mindshift: you make no sense |
| 14:50.09 | onvsop | ahhh |
| 14:50.11 | onvsop | :d |
| 14:50.12 | mindshift | of course not |
| 14:50.29 | stew | libervisco: yes, its a hardware issue |
| 14:50.35 | dogwater | phogg: well I notice that in CentOS the format goes instant; so I dont know if maybe for some reason the raid is trying to synchronize the entire time mkfs.ext3 is running on the drives during the format |
| 14:50.36 | sohmestra | mindshift: if you mean chaos == lots of stuff, then uninstall things. |
| 14:50.39 | mbroeker | libervisco, i tried a bit with hdparm and got this http://rafb.net/p/jzTg7T20.html |
| 14:50.52 | dogwater | phogg: but i dont know why that would be different on centos vs debian |
| 14:50.56 | dogwater | phogg: unless its a driver |
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| 14:50.59 | mindshift | I'm just looking for the cleanest, most unbloated core |
| 14:51.00 | stew | libervisco: and you are clearly having trouble communicating with your hard drive. if you have any trouble communicating when writing to it, you can cause problems |
| 14:51.09 | phogg | dogwater: Again, I don't know. Talking to the developers of the debian installer would be a good place to star.t |
| 14:51.27 | libervisco | stew, what I mean is that the problem is not cause by hardware, but by software |
| 14:51.30 | stew | libervisco: so i'm suggesting that you make a backup just in case these problems cause filesystem corruption |
| 14:51.32 | libervisco | it's not a faulty disk |
| 14:51.39 | sohmestra | mindshift: do an install, and at the task selection screen, deselect everything. that should get you a very clean, very small install. |
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| 14:51.51 | libervisco | stew, oh well, fair enough |
| 14:52.02 | dogwater | sohmestra: that also gets you past a very nasty bug in the installer known as 83/83 :D |
| 14:52.08 | onvsop | hrrrmmm all of a suddon @ boot i get - Loading cpufreq kernel modules...FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k7 (blah blah path to module): No such device & FATAL: Error inserting acapi_cpufreq (blah pth to moule): No such device :( |
| 14:52.14 | stew | libervisco: the problem is caused by hardware. you are having problems with multiple devices sharing an interrupt, i'd guess |
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| 14:52.55 | marcin | How can I get back deteled locales via localepurge? :> |
| 14:53.03 | libervisco | stew, it can't be just hardware specific if it works in one distro and doesn't in another |
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| 14:53.16 | onvsop | cant youu just rin locales |
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| 14:53.18 | libervisco | that clearly suggests that debian as it's currently set doesn't know how to deal with it |
| 14:53.24 | onvsop | cant you just run locales |
| 14:53.26 | stew | libervisco: other distros probably have a work around for your buggy hardware |
| 14:53.34 | libervisco | right |
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| 14:53.48 | onvsop | why dont you try a newer kernwl libervisco |
| 14:53.50 | libervisco | where have I seen that before.. oh right, fedora.. people blaming everything else but their distro |
| 14:53.52 | onvsop | kernel |
| 14:54.21 | stew | libervisco: i'll bet if you had a different hard drive controller, you wouldnt' have the problem |
| 14:54.34 | onvsop | libervisco: have you tried a newer kernel. |
| 14:54.35 | onvsop | ? |
| 14:54.40 | onvsop | hrrrmmm all of a suddon @ boot i get - Loading cpufreq kernel modules...FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k7 (blah blah path to module): No such device & FATAL: Error inserting acapi_cpufreq (blah pth to moule): No such device :( |
| 14:54.45 | onvsop | oops |
| 14:55.05 | libervisco | stew, of course I wouldn't, because then I wouldn't have to use the jmicron related modules.. the whole point is that debian doesn't properly support THIS controller |
| 14:55.23 | onvsop | libervisco: have you tried a newer kernel. |
| 14:55.26 | cahoot | acapi_cpufreq being a typo? |
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| 14:55.28 | libervisco | onvsop, not today, but I had a same problem in May and thought newer kernel will solve it, but it didn't |
| 14:55.33 | stew | libervisco: well by your logic if it wouldn't happen with different hardware its a hardware problem, that's all i'm saying. |
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| 14:56.09 | onvsop | cahoot, yeah a typo soz :) |
| 14:56.16 | onvsop | why has this happened/ |
| 14:56.23 | libervisco | stew, take it like this, if I used a newest possible ATI Radeon card it wouldn't work. Why? because we don't have free drivers for it, not because the card is faulty |
| 14:56.32 | onvsop | libervisco, i higly suggest you try a newer kernel |
| 14:56.40 | libervisco | stew, but if I use the one I do it works, why? because there is software support |
| 14:56.42 | onvsop | highly |
| 14:56.59 | \amethyst | libervisco: is it possible Ubuntu is using a kernel patch for jmicron support? |
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| 14:57.26 | libervisco | jmicron may be shitty, but don't say my HD is now suddenly corrupt just because Debian doesn't currently know how to talk to it through jmicron |
| 14:57.30 | capiira | hmm hi anyone know how to separate the application from the sources after doing a make ? |
| 14:57.34 | libervisco | \amethyst, I suppose so.. |
| 14:57.47 | \amethyst | libervisco: which version of ubuntu worked? |
| 14:58.05 | onvsop | cahoot: why you think this happened? |
| 14:58.06 | libervisco | \amethyst, Feisty, Gutsy, I didn't have this computer before that |
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| 14:58.40 | cahoot | onvsop: sorry no useful idea |
| 14:58.45 | onvsop | hmm |
| 14:59.01 | onvsop | ty anyways :) |
| 14:59.26 | samfreed | Why are there no updates on unstable 4 two weeks, or so? |
| 14:59.35 | onvsop | anyone got an idea for my problem? |
| 14:59.45 | libervisco | \amethyst, according to this yes http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=347146&highlight=jmicron+patch |
| 15:00.02 | libervisco | \amethyst, I think it could be a good idea if Debian would adopt the patch too |
| 15:00.10 | onvsop | there you go libervisco, you can compile your own kernel with the patch |
| 15:00.32 | libervisco | ah |
| 15:00.55 | libervisco | It's weird that every other distro I tried appears to have this solved except debian.. |
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| 15:01.36 | onvsop | perhaps the patch is not nice, and not included. there must be a reason, maybe noone had got around to having it included |
| 15:01.38 | libervisco | every time I try debian I end up having to recompile kernel.. last time that led me to switch away from it to Ubuntu |
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| 15:01.53 | cahoot | ixoid? |
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| 15:02.33 | onvsop | can anyone help with |
| 15:02.37 | onvsop | hrrrmmm all of a suddon @ boot i get - Loading cpufreq kernel modules...FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k7 (blah blah path to module): No such device & FATAL: Error inserting acapi_cpufreq (blah pth to moule): No such device :( |
| 15:02.48 | onvsop | acapi = acp |
| 15:02.50 | onvsop | acpi |
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| 15:03.16 | libervisco | Anyway, thanks for your help people, stew, \amethyst, onvsop, mbroeker... gonna decide whether to stick or fly :) |
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| 15:03.31 | sonnie | i got a 'RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported' error when running 'ip ru l' on debian/hppa |
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| 15:03.47 | onvsop | good luck libervisco |
| 15:03.54 | libervisco | thanks |
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| 15:04.17 | sonnie | Linux sys 2.6.22-2-parisc64-smp #2 SMP Thu Aug 30 22:32:13 MDT 2007 parisc64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:04.56 | onvsop | hmm hand on 1 tick libervisco |
| 15:04.58 | onvsop | hang on |
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| 15:05.24 | onvsop | what kernel version are you running? |
| 15:05.40 | YGingras | is the debian doc project dead? I send a patch to the mailing list a few weeks ago and it was never merged |
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| 15:05.59 | libervisco | onvsop, 2.6.22-4-amd64 |
| 15:06.37 | onvsop | ahh |
| 15:06.45 | onvsop | 2.6.18 has the patch i think |
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| 15:07.08 | libervisco | onvsop, in debian? |
| 15:07.10 | libervisco | hmm |
| 15:07.11 | onvsop | yeah |
| 15:07.25 | onvsop | libervisco: http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-patch-debian-2.6.18/all/filelist |
| 15:07.49 | libervisco | I see |
| 15:07.58 | libervisco | so 2.6.22 should have it too.. |
| 15:08.07 | onvsop | maybe not |
| 15:08.20 | onvsop | 2.6.22 is form unstable yeah? |
| 15:08.26 | onvsop | from |
| 15:08.32 | libervisco | testing |
| 15:08.43 | onvsop | well quite possibe the patch isnt included |
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| 15:09.11 | libervisco | onvsop, looks like it isn't.. |
| 15:09.20 | libervisco | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-patch-debian-2.6.22/all/filelist |
| 15:09.26 | libervisco | But why?? :) |
| 15:09.41 | doogers | Hi guys! Do you know how add in the step1 of debian installer GUI a image? |
| 15:09.46 | onvsop | well it is testing :D |
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| 15:09.54 | libervisco | Isn't it supposed to make progress in newer versions instead of.. opposite? |
| 15:09.56 | onvsop | not meant for production server |
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| 15:10.09 | libervisco | hm |
| 15:10.20 | onvsop | yeah, and im sure once it goes stable the patch will be included |
| 15:10.32 | tmccrary | I have a package that is trying to install with apt, but it fails each time. How do I stop apt from tying to install it? |
| 15:10.36 | Techdeck | Hi, I've downloaded the i386 netinst CD of debian, I've used this CD to install a lot of computers, but when I try to install it on the current computer, right after I hit enter to enter the installation, it hangs on: "ACPI: assume root bridge [\SB_PCI0.] bus is 0", any ideas how to pass that part anyone? |
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| 15:10.42 | junix|work | i seem to be having some problems using ATI drivers in debian stable, my refresh rate is really slow... |
| 15:10.47 | junix|work | i've tried lowering it |
| 15:10.49 | junix|work | no good |
| 15:10.54 | OpaH | I have an "alpha" question, but there seems to be no activity on #debian-alpha Q: ist that the right channel ??? |
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| 15:11.37 | libervisco | onvsop, any idea where can I download the patch? |
| 15:11.38 | Techdeck | please, this is driving me insane |
| 15:11.56 | onvsop | can anyone help :) @ boot i get - Loading cpufreq kernel modules...FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k7 (blah blah path to module): No such device & FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (blah path to moule): No such device :( |
| 15:11.58 | tmccrary | you need to disable acpi |
| 15:12.06 | tmccrary | acpi=off and noapic I think |
| 15:12.11 | Techdeck | let me try |
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| 15:12.16 | tmccrary | in the parameters you pass to the kernel |
| 15:12.19 | jelly-home | onvsop: which cpu do you have? |
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| 15:12.34 | onvsop | athlon-xp 2200 |
| 15:12.41 | Techdeck | tmccrary il try |
| 15:12.51 | stew | there is no need to disable acpi |
| 15:13.01 | stew | onvsop: is this causing a problem? |
| 15:13.14 | onvsop | the error? |
| 15:13.16 | jelly-home | onvsop: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo|head -1 |
| 15:13.21 | Techdeck | tmccrary!! thanks a lot! |
| 15:13.23 | Techdeck | it worked |
| 15:13.27 | tmccrary | stew: Unless you have flaky hardware and it causes it to lock up |
| 15:13.28 | tmccrary | np |
| 15:13.47 | stew | tmccrary: is this cuasing things to lock up? |
| 15:14.21 | onvsop | jelly-home: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ |
| 15:14.29 | Techdeck | tmccrary, now it doesn't detect the CDROM :( |
| 15:14.36 | Techdeck | after I got into the installation |
| 15:14.38 | Techdeck | which is weird... |
| 15:14.42 | Techdeck | how did it get into the installation then? |
| 15:14.43 | jelly-home | onvsop: I'm not sure that cpu had powernow features. |
| 15:15.07 | onvsop | why is it trying to load the modules? |
| 15:15.10 | h3sp4wn | onvsop: It doesn't have unless its the mobile version |
| 15:15.20 | Techdeck | any ideas? |
| 15:15.22 | OpaH | Q: when is a good time to contact a dd about donating "alpha" equipment ? |
| 15:15.28 | onvsop | and how can i make it stop :D |
| 15:15.53 | mindshift | I heard system v sucks compared with bsd init boot thing |
| 15:15.58 | jelly-home | onvsop: perhaps it's not concusive whether it supports powernow or not, so it tries just in case. You can ignore the errors. |
| 15:16.04 | wols | OpaH: all geeks love new hardware. any time :) |
| 15:16.04 | tmccrary | Techdeck: Maybe try without the noapic command |
| 15:16.13 | Techdeck | oh |
| 15:16.15 | Techdeck | ok |
| 15:16.15 | tmccrary | Techdeck: Just use acpi=off |
| 15:16.16 | Techdeck | sec |
| 15:16.19 | Techdeck | lemme try |
| 15:16.43 | tmccrary | acpi is just power management stuff (ACPI was completely crippled by microsoft) |
| 15:16.44 | stew | oh, i didn't realize there were two different people talking about acpi issues |
| 15:16.46 | bahadunn | mindshift: you heard that from where? |
| 15:16.59 | mindshift | everywhere |
| 15:17.11 | Techdeck | still no go tmccrary |
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| 15:17.18 | onvsop | heers jelly-home, i hadnt niticed it before thought it was a new error |
| 15:17.21 | onvsop | hmm strange |
| 15:17.26 | Techdeck | maybe ebcause it's a sata CD? |
| 15:17.29 | bahadunn | mindshift: uh okay |
| 15:17.29 | Techdeck | maybe it's not /dev/cdrom |
| 15:17.39 | onvsop | i though it was trying to load the modueles now for some reason |
| 15:17.41 | bahadunn | mindshift: I guess I wont just take your word for it then |
| 15:18.02 | mindshift | bahadunn: How do I start and stop scripts in system V? |
| 15:18.03 | jelly-home | tmccrary: I don't see the context to your line, but in general, acpi is much more than power management |
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| 15:18.29 | OpaH | wols I'm looking for a DD in Germany who would like a couple of HP DS25 Alpha's |
| 15:18.34 | bahadunn | mindshift: /etc/init.d/service start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload etc... |
| 15:18.48 | jelly-home | Techdeck: you have rather recent hardware. I'd try Kenshi Muto's installation images with newer kernels |
| 15:18.53 | jelly-home | !kmuto |
| 15:18.53 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 15:18.57 | bahadunn | OpaH: DS25? |
| 15:19.01 | mindshift | ok |
| 15:19.09 | bahadunn | OpaH: the rack mount ones? |
| 15:19.12 | jelly-home | Techdeck: see the link that the bot just provided ^ |
| 15:19.14 | tmccrary | jelly-home: I wouldn't say much more :) |
| 15:19.21 | mindshift | I don't have debian yet, because the iso download keeps freezing at the middle, and I have to restart the download |
| 15:19.29 | bzed | mindshift: use wge |
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| 15:19.30 | Techdeck | jelly-home, I'll try |
| 15:19.31 | Techdeck | thank you |
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| 15:19.34 | bzed | mindshift: wget |
| 15:19.39 | OpaH | bahadunn I'm told that they are "stand-alone" - but live in a 19" rack |
| 15:19.40 | tmccrary | In any case, how do I "dequeue" a package that is trying to install with apt but failing? |
| 15:19.46 | bahadunn | bzed: I was about to say I never heard of wge |
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| 15:20.02 | bzed | mindshift: or any other download manager which is aboe to continue the download where it stopped |
| 15:20.03 | bahadunn | OpaH: I have two of those DS25 alpha servers running debian |
| 15:20.06 | jelly-home | tmccrary: IRQ routing, SMP, PCI/PCIe hotplug support... |
| 15:20.08 | Techdeck | which one do you recommend jelly-home? 1013 or 0720 |
| 15:20.11 | bahadunn | OpaH: they are sweet machines |
| 15:20.20 | doogers | Hi guys! Do you know how add in the step1 of debian installer GUI a image? |
| 15:20.37 | jelly-home | Techdeck: dunno, the newer one? I haven't done an installation in a while. :-) |
| 15:20.40 | ma3x | what's better for linux? ethernet or usb printer? |
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| 15:20.47 | OpaH | bahadunn I would donate them to a dd in/near germany |
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| 15:21.17 | bahadunn | OpaH: that will be helpful to the alpha porters I am sure |
| 15:21.38 | OpaH | ja - that's why I'm trying to locate one ;-) |
| 15:21.39 | mindshift | ok thanks |
| 15:21.46 | bahadunn | :) |
| 15:22.17 | bzed | OpaH: which kind of machine? |
| 15:22.24 | bzed | sorry, missed that |
| 15:22.29 | OpaH | HP DS25 alpha |
| 15:22.48 | bahadunn | OpaH: this may help you |
| 15:22.51 | bahadunn | OpaH: http://www.debian.org/donations#equipment_donations |
| 15:22.54 | mindshift | which is more unix like, debian or slackware? |
| 15:22.55 | Techdeck | jelly-home ok :D |
| 15:23.03 | bahadunn | OpaH: contact the equipment donation delegate |
| 15:23.21 | bzed | OpaH: which CPU(s)? |
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| 15:23.34 | bahadunn | OpaH: I am sure they can assist you to find a home in Germany for what you want to donate to them |
| 15:23.45 | bahadunn | bzed: probably the 1Ghz alpha |
| 15:24.04 | OpaH | bzed I'll know whern I take a look at them - I've just been told that I can have them - but I don't know them. |
| 15:24.11 | bahadunn | bzed: my ds25's are dual 1ghz alpha cpus |
| 15:24.23 | OpaH | bahadunn according to the URL yes, I'd have to ask (again) |
| 15:24.25 | bahadunn | they could be 833s though or something like it |
| 15:24.38 | bahadunn | 1ghz is pretty standard I think |
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| 15:25.01 | OpaH | they are currently running some kind of HA database |
| 15:25.12 | bahadunn | OpaH: the link I sent you will be the offical way to donate the hardware to debian |
| 15:25.28 | bzed | OpaH: the experimental/backports/volatile build-team could use them I guess. write to zobel@d.o - or to the hardware donations list, whatever you prefer |
| 15:25.28 | bahadunn | OpaH: oh yeah |
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| 15:25.34 | bahadunn | OpaH: like what kind of database do you know? |
| 15:26.13 | jay_ | morning all... how can I get php-dbase? I need 2 read dbf files... I've installed php-db .. I don't have an installable php-dbase package. |
| 15:26.54 | OpaH | bahadunn I don't do databases - I got stuck at the switch/router/firewall level & never really got much higher that thet ; OSI-7 makes me go dizzy |
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| 15:29.02 | mindshift | what makes debian better than arch? |
| 15:29.15 | rcatwood | latex: apt-installing latex-beamer (lenny/sid) wants to require about 500 Mb of dependencies that are not actualy necessary it seems to me .. |
| 15:29.21 | wols | !why debian |
| 15:29.21 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 15:29.23 | SlayerXP | mindshift: what's "arch"? |
| 15:29.29 | wols | SlayerXP: a distro |
| 15:29.29 | mindshift | archlinux |
| 15:29.42 | SlayerXP | I've never heard of it |
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| 15:29.49 | SlayerXP | that's one good reason for not using it |
| 15:29.51 | a-atwood_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:30.45 | mogra | !archlinux |
| 15:30.45 | dpkg | [archlinux] a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management |
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| 15:32.32 | assasuka | hi everyone |
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| 15:32.38 | mindshift | it's package manager is REALLY good |
| 15:32.45 | replay3 | which? |
| 15:32.50 | mogra | archlinux's |
| 15:32.53 | replay3 | ah |
| 15:32.54 | mindshift | archlinx's pacman |
| 15:32.55 | replay3 | hah |
| 15:32.56 | assasuka | i was wondering, did anyone tell canonical that ubuntu is just a fork of debian unstable? |
| 15:32.57 | h3sp4wn | mindshift: Its all very well having a good package manager |
| 15:33.03 | mogra | does archlinux run on more than just i686? |
| 15:33.05 | replay3 | weird, that was EXACTLY what i was thinking of |
| 15:33.09 | h3sp4wn | mindshift: but if the quality of the packages is crap then its useless |
| 15:33.10 | mindshift | amd64 |
| 15:33.30 | replay3 | how often does archlinux update their packages? |
| 15:33.33 | mindshift | debian should get rid of apt-get and use pacman |
| 15:33.34 | wols | assasuka: what makes you think they don't know? |
| 15:33.40 | a-atwood | mindshift: it's almost shorter to list what deb does NOT run on |
| 15:33.45 | mindshift | very often, it's bleeding edge |
| 15:33.49 | replay3 | mindshift: is it better than aptitude? |
| 15:33.49 | assasuka | wols: i dunno, is written nowere |
| 15:34.04 | h3sp4wn | replay3: Its not better than aptitude |
| 15:34.08 | wols | mindshift: bleeding edge is BAD. very bad |
| 15:34.11 | mogra | mindshift: bleeding edge can be "two edged" |
| 15:34.12 | mindshift | I would say it's more straight forward |
| 15:34.14 | assasuka | mindshift: pacman builds packages no? |
| 15:34.20 | assasuka | from source |
| 15:34.34 | mindshift | binary |
| 15:34.40 | mindshift | one file to configure |
| 15:34.41 | mogra | that would be quite a long install time if it's compiling all dependancies... |
| 15:34.51 | replay3 | h3sp4wn: what are the problems with archlinux? |
| 15:34.53 | mindshift | but I'm going to try out debian to get it's feeling |
| 15:34.55 | a-atwood | mindshift: for servers, I run deb. for desktop, either deb or ubuntu. bleeding edge and servers don't mix |
| 15:34.57 | replay3 | i was thinking of trying it |
| 15:35.05 | wols | replay3: in this channel? it's not debian. and we only discuss debian |
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| 15:35.10 | assasuka | mindshift: if i have to say the most "ideal" is gentoo or bsd |
| 15:35.14 | mindshift | it's not bleeding edge in that manner |
| 15:35.15 | h3sp4wn | replay3: No quality control on the packages |
| 15:35.25 | Rusty1 | hi guys , is there a page that describes Debian's support policies or is it pretty much BTS? |
| 15:35.26 | replay3 | h3sp4wn: yeah, so i thought |
| 15:35.26 | mindshift | it has a unstable and testing repos |
| 15:35.34 | mindshift | but the stable packages are bleeding edge |
| 15:35.36 | mogra | replay3: go to #archlinux :D |
| 15:35.42 | replay3 | nah |
| 15:35.47 | replay3 | i don't think it's worth it |
| 15:35.50 | mindshift | I would really recommend it |
| 15:35.54 | mindshift | I think it's worth it |
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| 15:36.01 | mindshift | but I'm going to try out debian for a while |
| 15:36.05 | wols | mindshift: do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:36.20 | a-atwood | bah, stable is not releaseing a version the first decade it's available. ;^) |
| 15:36.20 | mogra | wols: He asked "what about debian is better than arch" |
| 15:36.29 | mindshift | not at the moment, I'm waiting for the iso to finish, but it's so slow |
| 15:36.32 | wols | mogra: and he got answers a LONG time ago |
| 15:36.37 | capiira | hi all im trying to build a newer package of inkscape and get "E: Build-dependencies for inkscape could not be satisfied." is there a way to find out what dependancies does not satisfy ? |
| 15:36.53 | mindshift | 2 kb/s, and I can download 1 mbyte/s |
| 15:36.53 | wols | capiira: apt-get build-dep inkscape ? |
| 15:36.58 | capiira | yeah |
| 15:37.13 | wols | capiira: did you run that? |
| 15:37.17 | mindshift | wols: Why is it so iso download so slow? |
| 15:37.20 | assasuka | apt-get searchsrc package | grep Build-Depends: |
| 15:37.23 | a-atwood | mindshift: short answer: 19,000 pre-compiled packages, or some such |
| 15:37.33 | capiira | wols, i did and got that sentence |
| 15:37.34 | junix|work | i seem to be having some problems using ATI drivers in debian stable, my refresh rate is really slow... |
| 15:37.36 | junix|work | i've tried lowering it |
| 15:37.38 | junix|work | no good |
| 15:37.45 | assasuka | ati no good |
| 15:37.47 | wols | capiira: then something is missing in the repos |
| 15:37.55 | junix|work | assasuka, i have no choice |
| 15:38.07 | wols | !tell junix|work about errors |
| 15:38.08 | jelly-home | Rusty1: http://www.debian.org/support ? Well, it's bts, the mailing lists (starting from debian-user) and the channel on irc.debian.org (not this one ;-). All the services are provided by volunteers, so... |
| 15:38.10 | assasuka | junix|work: ok |
| 15:38.13 | capiira | hmmm |
| 15:38.34 | capiira | wols, is there no way to find out what? |
| 15:38.35 | jelly-home | Rusty1: it's in the menu of the main web page. |
| 15:39.30 | wols | capiira: apt-depends for example |
| 15:40.03 | Rusty1 | jelly-home: thx, what I thought |
| 15:40.15 | wols | capiira: as for your apt-get error: can't you pastebin the command and its output? |
| 15:40.41 | mindshift | why isn't the package manager like this, apt search blah, apt remove blah, apt install blah |
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| 15:41.00 | xHemi | mindshift: it is, use aptitude |
| 15:41.02 | a-atwood | mindshift: it almost is. try aptitude |
| 15:41.18 | mogra | isn't apt-get like that? |
| 15:41.18 | mindshift | I only want one way to install a program |
| 15:41.23 | jelly-home | Rusty1: there's a link on that page to http://www.debian.org/consultants/ if you want pay support. There's probably some people here who would be glad to offer it too if you need it |
| 15:41.29 | wols | mindshift: then use windows. linux is about choice |
| 15:41.37 | mogra | wols: lol |
| 15:41.39 | samfreed | Why are there no updates on unstable 4 two weeks, or so? |
| 15:41.42 | mindshift | lol, it's not |
| 15:41.48 | stew | mindshift: if you were to use one way, we'd suggest that way is "aptitude install packagename" |
| 15:41.50 | wols | samfreed: ftp-master was down |
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| 15:42.13 | mogra | mindshift: yes it is, if it's not about choice, then why are there so many distros? |
| 15:42.15 | samfreed | wols: And back now, or when? Any ideas on what to put in "sources.list" |
| 15:42.15 | mindshift | so aptitude doesn't use apt-get? |
| 15:42.33 | sf7 | hi! im trying to get mplayer to work. someone said " add 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main' to your sources.list, and install w32codecs" |
| 15:42.37 | Rusty1 | jelly-home: having a discussion with someone about LTS in Ubuntu vs. support for debian versions |
| 15:42.39 | mogra | just use aptitude, have some fun. learn something "new" |
| 15:42.47 | stew | mindshift: no. they both use libapt. apt-get was a demo written to demonstrate some things that were possible with libapt. aptitude is the most fully featured client of libapt at the moment |
| 15:42.48 | a-atwood | mindshift: actually, dpkg is the backend. apt-get and aptitude use it |
| 15:42.51 | wols | !topicsmite samfreed |
| 15:42.51 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon samfreed. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 15:42.52 | sf7 | ive tried apt-get install w32codecs which doesnt work |
| 15:43.04 | wols | !tell sf7 about doesn't work |
| 15:43.11 | wols | !tell sf7 about debian-multimedia |
| 15:43.19 | jelly-home | Rusty1: let's just say my company won't shift to Ubuntu (not even LTS) for a while |
| 15:43.20 | stew | samfreed: just wait. the next mirror pulse should have lots of updates |
| 15:43.29 | mogra | !tell mindshift about aptitude |
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| 15:43.54 | mindshift | this is what I call bloat, when you got THOUSANDS of different ways to do the same task, it's a waste of efficiency |
| 15:44.15 | jelly-home | Rusty1: they do have a company behind, so your mgt might be more inclined to go that route. |
| 15:44.18 | a-atwood | mindshift: it was evolutionary. dpkg -> apt-get -> aptitude |
| 15:44.26 | a-atwood | mindshift: each one better than the last |
| 15:44.41 | samfreed | stew:And samfreed waited for 40 days and 40 nights.... |
| 15:44.47 | mogra | no, it's called "choices", bloat is when you install an OS and get a billion things you never use. Or Windows Vista, that's bloat. |
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| 15:45.04 | swv | hi |
| 15:45.08 | mindshift | but if I use aptitude I will have apt-get |
| 15:45.09 | Rusty1 | jelly-home: " i need something that can be proven in writing that it's going to be stable and have support for many years" |
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| 15:45.18 | mindshift | :D |
| 15:45.31 | wols | mindshift: only use one, not both |
| 15:45.34 | mogra | no you won't, aptitude doesn't use apt-get, it uses dpkg. |
| 15:45.36 | swv | anyona can help (opengroupware + etch)? |
| 15:45.37 | nkuttler | mindshift: says who? |
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| 15:46.00 | stew | yes, he is right about the fact that he will still have apt-get, but... |
| 15:46.12 | mindshift | but I want the system to have gone through the package manager |
| 15:46.19 | wols | swv: ask a real question |
| 15:46.24 | mindshift | so I can't mix using aptitude and apt-get? |
| 15:46.33 | irule | hi there, how may I trubleshoot why a squid process is not starting on boot? |
| 15:46.34 | wols | mindshift: you can but bad things might happen |
| 15:46.39 | stew | mindshift: you can. its not recommended. its recommended you use aptitude |
| 15:46.43 | swv | Nov 12 12:26:23 ogo-webui-1.1 [19916]: SNS support disabled. |
| 15:46.47 | a-atwood | mindshift: sometimes I do, and I haven't gotten burned yet |
| 15:46.55 | a-atwood | mindshift: but best to use one. |
| 15:47.05 | stew | if one pays attention, mixing apt-get and aptitude isn't a problem |
| 15:47.06 | a-atwood | mindshift: I just fire up apt-get out of habit sometimes |
| 15:47.07 | wols | irule: is squid symlinked in /etc/rc?.d somewhere? |
| 15:47.19 | mogra | same |
| 15:47.27 | mogra | apt-get is like mechanical memory for me. |
| 15:47.32 | a-atwood | mindshift: don't UPDATE w/ one then UPGRADE w/ other |
| 15:47.32 | mindshift | oh well, I'm a bit of a perfectionist and minimalist, my mind is going to go crazy if I use debian I think |
| 15:47.33 | irule | wols how may I know? |
| 15:47.55 | DustyDingo | is there a a virtual package on amd64 to install some 32bit libs for compatibility |
| 15:47.58 | jelly-home | Rusty1: if your apps support running on ubuntu and you have a Canonical representative in your country, I'd at least ask them what they can offer. When we need support, we use RHEL. Commercial apps usually only support RHEL or SuSE. |
| 15:47.59 | DustyDingo | ?? |
| 15:48.00 | mogra | mindshift: I just think you are trying too hard and not opening that mind. |
| 15:48.09 | a-atwood | mindshift: the downside of crazy is way overrated |
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| 15:48.38 | wols | irule: by judicious use of the nice "ls" command |
| 15:48.42 | irule | wols "# ls -la /etc/rc?.d | grep squid" says "K30squid -> ../init.d/squid" a bunch of times |
| 15:48.46 | mindshift | but I want the perfect system, not ways around stuff, one task - one way |
| 15:48.51 | mogra | just use aptitude, ignore apt-get. Aptitude IS Debian's Package Manager. |
| 15:49.02 | wols | irule: until there is a S??squid link somewhere, squid isn't started |
| 15:49.05 | mindshift | I can't ignore apt-get, I will go crazy |
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| 15:49.12 | mindshift | sorry :) |
| 15:49.18 | Bushmills | mindshift: there ain't something like "one single perfect way" |
| 15:49.23 | stew | mindshift: sorry, we will not be able to help you. you'll have to find another distribution |
| 15:49.27 | a-atwood | mindshift: there is no perfect OS. They all suck. just ask Linus T. |
| 15:49.44 | a-atwood | mindshift: they just suck in different ways, for different jobs. |
| 15:49.57 | a-atwood | you mission is to find the one that sucks the least. 8) |
| 15:50.01 | wols | stew: too much to hope for |
| 15:50.13 | Bushmills | mindshift: alias, or script apt-get to do the aptitude equivalent |
| 15:50.23 | mogra | haha |
| 15:50.31 | mogra | alias apt-get aptitude, nice |
| 15:50.45 | jelly-home | and then barf on apt-get build-dep :-) |
| 15:50.48 | stew | until you need to fetch build-depends |
| 15:50.48 | stew | :) |
| 15:50.53 | rcatwood | whereas RHEL is annoyingly missing useful things -- you can use red-had ported apt from daag wieers repostitory for some good ports though |
| 15:50.54 | mindshift | haha it's too old with old history lagging behind it, it needs a fresh rewriting |
| 15:51.10 | stew | mindshift: what needs a fresh rewriting? |
| 15:51.20 | jelly-home | rcatwood: that's what we all do it seems. :-) |
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| 15:51.42 | mogra | rcatwood: don't get me started on RH's apt wannabe... I could only stand a day of Fedora 6. |
| 15:51.46 | mindshift | the debian core, with it's package manager, configurations, scripts |
| 15:51.57 | PetoKraus | hello, how to set in sudoers file, that user pk would not have to enter sudo password for program /bin/abc, but will have for anything else? |
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| 15:52.15 | stew | mindshift: yeah, well the package manager needed to be rewritten, which is why aptitude came to be, which is why we are recommending aptitude |
| 15:52.30 | rcatwood | mogra: I think the one I use is 3rd party rather than redhat's ? |
| 15:52.33 | jelly-home | rcatwood: I tend to look at RHEL the same way as Solaris or unix and don't expect it to have everything. |
| 15:52.44 | mindshift | yes, but it needs to forget everything else, just cut the old stuff and have the perfect system |
| 15:52.53 | mogra | apt-get is still around for oldbies like myself who do apt-get out of habit still xD |
| 15:53.08 | mindshift | you guys need to be put to sleep :) |
| 15:53.11 | mindshift | kidding |
| 15:53.12 | Nethox | apt-get is still needed for commands like source, build-dep |
| 15:53.17 | jelly-home | rcatwood: hell, even ubuntu guys have cut the package number to like 3000. |
| 15:53.28 | mogra | mindshift: a nap does sound good righ tnow... hmm |
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| 15:54.29 | mindshift | :p |
| 15:54.38 | rcatwood | jelly-home: yes, that's the thing. So, debian at home & personal destop , using RHEL on the server allows some of the responsibility to be off-loaded :-) |
| 15:54.44 | jelly-home | mindshift: I've switched to using aptitude for installation purposes without any problems. |
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| 15:55.04 | mindshift | but is the core system being installed through aptitude? |
| 15:55.14 | jelly-home | mindshift: who cares? |
| 15:55.16 | stew | mindshift: no, its using neither apt-get nor aptitude |
| 15:55.22 | mindshift | I care |
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| 15:55.38 | mindshift | because I want the package manager to sum up every package |
| 15:55.45 | mindshift | and dependecy |
| 15:55.46 | jelly-home | mindshift: what's it to you? It's the installation process. You don't have any say in it. |
| 15:55.47 | wols | mindshift: how can the base syste be installed with apt when there is no apt installed yet. see the chicken egg problem here? |
| 15:55.55 | wols | mindshift: it does |
| 15:55.59 | stew | mindshift: what do you mean "sum up"? |
| 15:56.19 | mindshift | becuase aptitude should be taking care of the installation |
| 15:56.21 | wols | stew: that the base system is accounted for by the package management |
| 15:56.26 | mindshift | and then later on you can configure it |
| 15:56.29 | wols | mindshift: how can it? |
| 15:56.46 | wols | the disk is _empty_ when you begin |
| 15:56.46 | h3sp4wn | mindshift: You wouldn't want to remove anything in ~E anyway |
| 15:57.06 | mindshift | aptitude should be in the cd |
| 15:57.08 | wols | mindshift: but it's accounted for since when you upgrade to the next release of debian it's needed |
| 15:57.12 | stew | mindshift: it is |
| 15:57.18 | mindshift | and the file tree should be a package |
| 15:57.26 | jelly-home | mindshift: it is. |
| 15:57.26 | stew | mindshift: its many packages |
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| 15:58.13 | jelly-home | mindshift: see the base-files packages. It's all accounted for. |
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| 15:58.24 | jelly-home | s/packages/package/ |
| 15:59.07 | mogra | !tell mindshift about windows |
| 15:59.33 | mindshift | lol, I'm using archlinux at the moment, but I need a bigger repos |
| 16:00.01 | mogra | !tell mindshift about debian |
| 16:00.04 | stew | mindshift: how do you keep from going crazy with the multiple package managers from archlinux and the fact that archlinux doesn't use apt for installation? |
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| 16:00.20 | FireAeon | hi all |
| 16:00.31 | mindshift | there is only one package command in arch |
| 16:00.33 | wols | stew: what makes you think he isn't already. if his whining here is any indication.... |
| 16:00.39 | mindshift | pacman |
| 16:00.50 | mogra | is pacman used in installation? |
| 16:01.06 | FireAeon | I have just downloaded debian ninst, and installed with apt-get gcc, but I can´t find all the .h in includes, etc... do anybody know what's happening? |
| 16:01.08 | mindshift | yes, pacman -Q lists every package that is installed on the system |
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| 16:01.33 | mogra | but is pacman used in installation like how you want aptitude used in installation? |
| 16:01.36 | wols | !tell FireAeon about b-e |
| 16:01.41 | mindshift | pacman -Syu automatically updates the system, withouta glitch |
| 16:01.44 | mogra | pacman -Q is just listing the INSTALLED packages |
| 16:01.50 | mindshift | yes |
| 16:01.54 | stew | mindshift: there are equivalent commands in debian. |
| 16:02.00 | FireAeon | wolffc: thanks :) |
| 16:02.03 | mogra | listen to stew, mindshift |
| 16:02.22 | mindshift | yes but I can't use apt-cache |
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| 16:02.31 | mogra | pacman feels to me to be an apt-clone so far as you've described it |
| 16:02.42 | mogra | or a possible apt frontend script <.< |
| 16:02.48 | mindshift | yes, but every command is in pacman |
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| 16:03.00 | mindshift | not spread out in pkgasfs apt-get aptitude |
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| 16:03.01 | stew | mindshift: what commands are missing from aptitude? |
| 16:03.09 | Techdeck | thanks jelly-home, it worked |
| 16:03.16 | mindshift | listing packages |
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| 16:03.27 | stew | mindshift: aptitude search '~i' |
| 16:03.35 | mogra | pwned |
| 16:03.43 | stew | mindshift: what else? |
| 16:03.46 | mindshift | whata hell is that cryptic stuff |
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| 16:03.52 | jelly-home | Techdeck: good to hear. Which motherboard / chipset, btw? |
| 16:03.53 | mindshift | :) |
| 16:04.02 | mogra | what cryptic stuff? |
| 16:04.02 | Techdeck | jelly-home, good question :P |
| 16:04.03 | stew | mindshift: ~i means installed |
| 16:04.07 | Techdeck | lemme install lshw |
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| 16:04.24 | gdamn | why THE HELL apt-get started installing Recommended packages by DEFAULT? |
| 16:04.34 | mindshift | ok how do you list every file that has been installed from package foo? |
| 16:04.36 | h3sp4wn | gdamn: ubuntu influence |
| 16:04.40 | gdamn | DAMNIT! this is driving me CRAZY |
| 16:04.46 | stew | mindshift: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 16:04.49 | gdamn | so, this is the REAL default now? |
| 16:04.56 | gdamn | it's totally insane! |
| 16:05.05 | stew | gdamn: its configurable |
| 16:05.06 | mindshift | but you are using dpkg and aptitude |
| 16:05.06 | mogra | stew: but he wants it in aptitude... |
| 16:05.16 | mindshift | nah that's does it |
| 16:05.19 | mindshift | that |
| 16:05.26 | wols | mogra: and I want a pony |
| 16:05.27 | h3sp4wn | gdamn: I have it disabled in my aptitude |
| 16:05.29 | Techdeck | jelly-home, it's an HP mobo intel chipset |
| 16:05.33 | mindshift | I can't be switching between to programs |
| 16:05.35 | stew | mindshift: so work up a patch |
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| 16:05.38 | gdamn | h3sp4wn: I use the plain apt-get, not aptitude |
| 16:05.40 | mogra | wols: I'll take a million bucks while we're doing wish lists |
| 16:05.42 | Techdeck | wonder why I can't ssh to it |
| 16:05.53 | mogra | obviously, mindshift has a problem shifting his mind |
| 16:06.21 | mindshift | I don't, I just don't want to go from a simple, to complicated |
| 16:06.32 | stew | mindshift: ok, is there anything else we can help you with then? |
| 16:06.35 | h3sp4wn | Incidently I am happy now --with-recommends and --without-recommends seems to work as I would expect with aptitude |
| 16:06.48 | gdamn | I'll go hunting how to disable it, but my opinion doesn't change... I'll have to add another task to my postinstall-todo-list: disable this crazy "freatureC" |
| 16:07.00 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: they fixed it? |
| 16:07.01 | mindshift | hehe |
| 16:07.03 | mindshift | well |
| 16:07.15 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I think so |
| 16:07.18 | stew | mindshift: do you want help figuring out how you could maybe add that functionality to aptitude? |
| 16:07.21 | jelly-home | w00t! |
| 16:07.37 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: unless they broke it again since (I don't need it often) |
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| 16:07.57 | mindshift | I have already made up my mind, debian is out of the question :) |
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| 16:08.17 | eljo__ | is there a way to get the owner of a given file in a script without messing with ls and cut? |
| 16:08.57 | eljo__ | wols: is my question that stupid? :) |
| 16:09.14 | wols | eljo__: wasn't directed at you |
| 16:09.24 | Nethox | mindshift: then you must know that .deb really uses ar! |
| 16:09.26 | eljo__ | k, thanks |
| 16:09.26 | wols | #debian is a multithreaded channel |
| 16:09.37 | Nethox | s/really/in fact/ |
| 16:10.04 | mindshift | Nethox: What's ar? |
| 16:10.06 | jelly-home | Nethox: worse than that, it uses tar too! |
| 16:10.12 | wols | mindshift: man ar |
| 16:10.24 | mogra | !tell mindshift about ar |
| 16:10.29 | petemc | eljo__: stat -c%U |
| 16:10.31 | Nethox | mindshift: another layer, another hell |
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| 16:10.45 | eljo__ | petemc: thanks! |
| 16:10.54 | petemc | np |
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| 16:12.15 | mogra | Debian's Inferno, the 9 lay ers of Apt |
| 16:12.52 | mogra | layers* |
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| 16:12.59 | vin` | layarse |
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| 16:13.02 | ladydoor | Hey...a hopefully quick question. I've googled around a bit, but not managed to come across this yet. Is there something I could put in /etc/fstab that would allow a USB zip drive to be mounted such that the *directories* (and possibly any executables) had executable permissions but all the regular files on it didn't? |
| 16:14.07 | ladydoor | umask sets this for all files, but there's just something about giving executable permissions to files that shouldn't have them that I'd rather avoid. |
| 16:14.31 | Wyzard | ladydoor: yes, the fmask= and dmask= mount options |
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| 16:14.44 | stew | ladydoor: what filesystem is on the drive? |
| 16:14.45 | jelly-home | lvm/md/partitions, blockdev, vfs, filesystem, tar, ar, dpkg, libapt, aptitude ... and some more layers to dig down to magnetic particles on a spinning disk |
| 16:14.56 | wols | ladydoor: dmask |
| 16:15.05 | ladydoor | stew: fat |
| 16:15.14 | ladydoor | wols: Oh! Just a sec. |
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| 16:15.24 | mogra | :3 |
| 16:15.49 | bahadunn | who likes hitachi drives? |
| 16:16.06 | wols | !tell bahadunn about polls |
| 16:16.28 | Nethox | Who likes mecanical hard discs? |
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| 16:16.52 | mogra | *cricket chirps* |
| 16:17.17 | ladydoor | wols: That did it. I can't believe I missed that in the manpage. |
| 16:17.25 | mbroeker | Nethox, go programming a website with lovely buttons, paste the url and some guys will click it. |
| 16:17.50 | eljo__ | anyone got an idea how i'd write a script that parses one directory, spitting out the names of all files that do not belong to the directory owner? |
| 16:18.03 | mogra | I like buttons |
| 16:18.20 | jelly-home | eljo__: you can do it all with find |
| 16:18.30 | eljo__ | jelly-home: sounds good :) |
| 16:19.10 | jelly-home | eljo__: caveat: if you know the dir. owner in advance, you can. Else you need to figure it out first |
| 16:20.38 | eljo__ | jelly-home: guess i need to do that first (i got for inbox in $(find . -name in -maxdepth 2); do echo $(stat -c%U $inbox); done going now) |
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| 16:22.07 | jelly-home | eljo__: -type f for "all files, and files only", and \! -uid <owner's uid here>. Your find won't work well if you have spaces or tabs in the file names. Check out -print0 and xargs' -0 options. info find |
| 16:22.33 | eljo__ | jelly-home: aah, k - thank you |
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| 16:24.54 | Wyzard | eljo__: To find the directory's owner: owner=$(ls -ld $dir | awk "{ print \$3 }") |
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| 16:25.30 | petemc | stat works with dirs too |
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| 16:26.33 | Phil4 | my sound card is detected although sound isn't playing out of it |
| 16:26.37 | Phil4 | what could be the issue? |
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| 16:27.01 | mogra | you check your vol and if muted? |
| 16:27.01 | SlayerXP | Phil4: you don't have any speakers. |
| 16:27.06 | Wyzard | Phil4: Run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 16:27.09 | Phil4 | heh |
| 16:27.12 | Phil4 | I have speakers |
| 16:27.13 | Wyzard | Phil4: They're all zeroed by default |
| 16:27.20 | Phil4 | Wyzard, done that |
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| 16:28.31 | cahoot | Phil4: what type of sounddevice? |
| 16:28.49 | Phil4 | it's an onboard |
| 16:28.56 | cahoot | hda-intel? |
| 16:28.57 | Phil4 | I'll get you the lspci output in a sec |
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| 16:30.19 | bahadunn | wols: you suck for dpkg message |
| 16:31.05 | babilen | hi there... how can i add all locally created useraccount? |
| 16:31.18 | babilen | oops.. |
| 16:31.24 | babilen | got interrupted |
| 16:31.25 | SlayerXP | babilen: you have verbbed in error. |
| 16:31.37 | babilen | ... created useraccounts to a given group |
| 16:31.43 | Phil4 | cahoot: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
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| 16:32.04 | Karamon | Hello, if I want to perform a low-level format of a hard disk, how would I go about this? |
| 16:32.21 | SlayerXP | Karamon: errm, you wouldn't, modren drives don't support level level formatting. |
| 16:32.36 | cahoot | Phil4: if you run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term - sound or error? |
| 16:32.39 | SlayerXP | you probably mean "how do I wipe all the data from a disk?" |
| 16:32.57 | jelly-home | Karamon: Using the tools provided by HDD manufacturer. What would be the purpose? |
| 16:33.01 | Karamon | SlayerXP: I'm familiar with that process, I can just delete partitions with fdisk, I was just wanting to do a full wipe. |
| 16:33.01 | duns_s_ | Phil4: What kernel version do you have? |
| 16:33.03 | tarzeau | http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/gnudl/gnudatalanguage-0.9~pre6/src/pro/value_locate.pro |
| 16:33.09 | mogra | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<drive> |
| 16:33.10 | Phil4 | file doesn't exist, cahoot |
| 16:33.11 | mogra | :D |
| 16:33.12 | SlayerXP | Karamon: dd |
| 16:33.13 | tarzeau | this license is like bsd revised, ok for main, right? |
| 16:33.16 | mogra | or |
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| 16:33.23 | mogra | get you a nice MAGENT, WHEE |
| 16:33.26 | cahoot | Phil4: make sure you have alsa-utils |
| 16:33.28 | mogra | MAGNET* |
| 16:33.32 | Phil4 | duns_s_: 2.6.22-2-486 |
| 16:33.35 | Karamon | mogra: Thanks :) |
| 16:33.40 | babilen | so, how do i add all locally created useraccounts to a given group? |
| 16:33.52 | Karamon | jelly-home: I inherited a computer from someone, and just wanted to make sure I don't have any of their sensitive information on my hdd. |
| 16:33.57 | duns_s_ | Phil4: ok, because 2.6.18 didn't work for me |
| 16:34.00 | gileswwwrk | heya ppl |
| 16:34.01 | Wyzard | Karamon: If you want to do a more secure wipe, use the "wipe" tool |
| 16:34.01 | DustyDingo | is there a 32 bit version of libz for amd64 unstable? |
| 16:34.12 | babilen | or, as an alternative, how do i get a list of all locally created user accounts? |
| 16:34.14 | duns_s_ | i've got 2.6.22, too, and sound works here |
| 16:34.15 | jelly-home | Karamon: zeroing the whole disk with dd will be enough then |
| 16:34.26 | Karamon | jelly-home: Cool, appreciate it |
| 16:34.28 | mogra | or you could create a device that puts lorem ipsum into the drive |
| 16:34.31 | Phil4 | no sound, cahoot |
| 16:34.33 | gileswwwrk | I'm trying to create my own repository with reprepro |
| 16:34.39 | Phil4 | no error output though |
| 16:34.43 | cahoot | Phil4: no error? |
| 16:35.07 | cahoot | Phil4: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything? |
| 16:35.11 | Wyzard | DustyBin: lib32z1 |
| 16:35.29 | gileswwwrk | when I try and add the same package name but compiled for etch and sarge I get a md5 error |
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| 16:35.40 | duns_s_ | what package do i have to add to get ffmpeg with theora encoding support? |
| 16:35.46 | Wyzard | oops |
| 16:35.50 | duns_s_ | ffmpeg2theora works here |
| 16:35.50 | Wyzard | DustyDingo: lib32z1 |
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| 16:36.44 | DustyDingo | ah, thanks |
| 16:37.14 | linkslice | I've never upgraded debian before and need to upgrade from sarge to etch, what's the best way to do that? The only thing I'm really worried about is the mysql database |
| 16:37.28 | Phil4 | cahoot: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=770 |
| 16:37.34 | DustyDingo | Wyzard: is there a meta package, which covers most often needed 32bit libs? |
| 16:37.39 | Wyzard | linkslice: Read the release notes and the etch installation manual |
| 16:37.50 | Wyzard | DustyDingo: ia32-libs, but it doesn't cover lib32z1 |
| 16:37.59 | cahoot | Phil4: kill totem and test aplay again |
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| 16:38.07 | duns_s_ | linkslice: do a mysql dump first, so you can backup later... |
| 16:38.16 | Wyzard | DustyDingo: oh, it does, nevermind |
| 16:38.45 | mogra | linkslice: afterwords, change your sources.list to etch and aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 16:38.58 | Phil4 | cahoot: same |
| 16:39.32 | cahoot | Phil4: try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 16:39.48 | mogra | linkslice: or, change sources.list to "stable" works too. |
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| 16:40.00 | viric | Hello :) |
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| 16:40.13 | mogra | hola |
| 16:40.17 | Phil4 | said it reset cahoot |
| 16:40.22 | Phil4 | aplay does the same though |
| 16:40.22 | viric | Hola |
| 16:40.33 | h3sp4wn | linkslice: the first thing to do is install the etch aptitude read the release notes |
| 16:40.37 | PetoKraus | hello, how to set in sudoers file, that user pk would not have to enter sudo password for program /bin/abc, but will have for anything else? |
| 16:40.42 | Wyzard | linkslice: but read the release notes before actually doing the upgrade, because it tells you things you need to know, like important changes and problems you may encounter |
| 16:40.45 | viric | How could I get a program into the main dpkg tree? I should find a package maintainer. :) |
| 16:40.51 | Wyzard | linkslice: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.en.html |
| 16:40.54 | cahoot | Phil4: I'm stuck |
| 16:41.01 | Phil4 | me too |
| 16:41.01 | Phil4 | heh |
| 16:41.17 | Phil4 | onboard audio could be shot |
| 16:41.21 | Phil4 | new mobo |
| 16:41.23 | Phil4 | never tried it before |
| 16:41.24 | cahoot | Phil4: alsa is loaded and thinks all is as should be |
| 16:41.28 | Phil4 | will see if inputs work |
| 16:41.31 | linkslice | ok i'm going through them now, how long would you estimate this to take? |
| 16:41.44 | mogra | depends on speeds of intarnet |
| 16:41.50 | viric | Is here any debian package maintainer, who likes using console programs? |
| 16:41.52 | h3sp4wn | Phil4: You could try a newer alsa-driver if you so wished |
| 16:41.52 | duns_s_ | Phil4: i've got the same audio chipset and it works with me |
| 16:42.14 | duns_s_ | Phil4: i am on testing on this machine |
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| 16:42.29 | cahoot | h3sp4wn: yeah 1.0.15 sprung my hda-intel to life |
| 16:42.33 | Phil4 | same, duns_s_ |
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| 16:42.52 | h3sp4wn | !info alsa-source |
| 16:42.53 | cydork | viric: you can file a rfp for a perticular package. |
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| 16:43.17 | mogra | VIA's been pretty good at not making proprietary chipsets thus far, so I don't really think it's the board... |
| 16:43.57 | linkslice | mogra: gigE |
| 16:44.06 | duns_s_ | mogra: but the display driver sucks |
| 16:44.24 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.15-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2799 kB, Installed size: 2864 kB |
| 16:44.28 | viric | cydork: I did that, and received no comments on that, and even didn't see my request in the database. |
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| 16:46.02 | duns_s_ | i've got 1.0.14-2 here |
| 16:46.16 | duns_s_ | Phil4: ok got to go, good luck |
| 16:46.21 | mogra | that could be a difference. |
| 16:46.57 | PetoKraus | hello, how to set in sudoers file, that user pk would not have to enter sudo password for program /bin/abc, but will have for anything else? |
| 16:46.57 | cydork | viric: now wait then or pay someone :P |
| 16:47.27 | Phil4 | cahoot: when I try Recording level monitor in gnome I get |
| 16:47.41 | Phil4 | Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at command prompt. |
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| 16:47.59 | viric | cydork: ok. worse for debianers :) |
| 16:48.02 | cahoot | Phil4: that's a gnomism |
| 16:48.08 | viric | cydork: thanks |
| 16:48.22 | cahoot | Phil4: of no help in this situation |
| 16:48.35 | viric | PetoKraus: read the sudo manual |
| 16:48.42 | cydork | viric: which software is this anyway? |
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| 16:49.18 | viric | http://freshmeat.net/projects/taskspooler/?branch_id=69013&release_id=265588 |
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| 16:50.17 | viric | viric: a queue for user commands. |
| 16:50.24 | cydork | viric: hmm i don't see any RFP for that.. |
| 16:50.54 | viric | cydork: it's in BSD ports since some months ago, and some people find it very useful. |
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| 16:51.53 | viric | I filed another for http://freshmeat.net/projects/terminalmixer/ , a similar situation. |
| 16:51.57 | babilen | hi all, how can i get a list of all locally created users? |
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| 16:53.11 | viric | cydork: I used a program in debian for filing the requests, following the guidelines. And that program didn't complain on anything. |
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| 16:53.36 | fedya | are there any mirrors for the netinstall? |
| 16:53.49 | mogra | fedya: ya |
| 16:53.57 | cydork | babilen: getent passwd? |
| 16:54.19 | tarzeau | does someone use IDL or GDL in here? visualization software |
| 16:54.24 | fedya | where do i find one because im downloading at like 2k right now, it's gonna take 2 hours at this rate |
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| 16:54.38 | cydork | viric: poke tarzeau ;) |
| 16:55.30 | mogra | !tell fedya about mirrors |
| 16:55.51 | viric | cydork: what's that? |
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| 16:56.13 | viric | I'm not a native speaker of English... |
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| 16:56.46 | blahblahx | hey |
| 16:57.01 | viric | Ah, you mean that I should query tarzeau... |
| 16:57.18 | blahblahx | what fat can i trim off a standard debian system? |
| 16:57.26 | blahblahx | any specific areas to look? |
| 16:57.44 | blahblahx | ive already pruned /usr/share/doc |
| 16:57.49 | viric | blahblahx: the packaging system. |
| 16:57.55 | blahblahx | ? |
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| 16:58.08 | blahblahx | viric: what do you mean? |
| 16:58.39 | jelly-home | blahblahx: don't install standard. Install just the base system instead, and build from there. |
| 16:58.50 | blahblahx | right thats what i did |
| 16:58.56 | viric | blahblahx: you can remove the files apt downloaded. |
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| 16:59.18 | jelly-home | blahblahx: what's your goal? |
| 16:59.23 | blahblahx | ive already used deborphan, apt-get autoremove, and apt-get clean viric |
| 16:59.30 | blahblahx | jelly-home: im remastering a distro |
| 16:59.46 | jelly-home | blahblahx: debfoster beats deborphan. :-) |
| 16:59.55 | blahblahx | jelly-home: whats that? is it real? |
| 16:59.55 | viric | blahblahx: maybe you need another distro :) |
| 17:00.04 | jelly-home | blahblahx: you tell it what to keep, and it removes everything else. |
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| 17:00.29 | blahblahx | jelly-home: yeah but i want to keep mostly everything |
| 17:00.42 | stew | blahblahx: if you removed all of /usr/share/doc it is not legally distributable, since you just removed a lot of manditory copyright notices |
| 17:00.42 | jelly-home | blahblahx: no you don't. |
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| 17:01.02 | blahblahx | stew: are you serious? |
| 17:01.07 | stew | blahblahx: yes |
| 17:01.20 | blahblahx | stew: i need someone else to clarify this |
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| 17:01.42 | h3sp4wn | blahblahx: locales is something you can probably purge some of |
| 17:01.43 | mogra | not copyright, when was "copyright" in Debian, I thought it was pure "copleft" |
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| 17:01.48 | jelly-home | blahblahx: if you're going to use the image in your organization only, it doesn't matter |
| 17:02.06 | blahblahx | jelly-home: what if im distributing it online for free? |
| 17:02.26 | jelly-home | blahblahx: then what stew said |
| 17:02.31 | stew | mogra: copyleft is acheived via copyrights |
| 17:02.41 | barnum | is anyone having issues with iceweasel and gmail this morning? |
| 17:02.47 | blahblahx | god |
| 17:02.50 | blahblahx | crap |
| 17:02.53 | mogra | blahblahx: part of GPL and other licenses is that the License HAVE to remain with the doc |
| 17:03.03 | blahblahx | great now i need to trim even more stuff. |
| 17:03.05 | stew | blahblahx: you must redistribute the licenses with most of the software that debian provides. those licenses are contained in /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright |
| 17:03.11 | barnum | gmails been changing their page across other browsers looks like they did the linux firefox this morning and mine wont load |
| 17:03.35 | blahblahx | stew: uhhh god |
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| 17:03.48 | blahblahx | stew: okay so any other suggestions on trimmable stuff? |
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| 17:04.22 | masus | hi all, i have installed xfce4 via aptitude. and my question is how to make a autostart without startxfce4. Thanks |
| 17:04.54 | blahblahx | awww im screwed |
| 17:05.02 | masus | splash + autostart |
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| 17:06.19 | slidesinger | I am switching from dhcp to static ip. edit /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf, reload network. Did I miss anything? |
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| 17:07.37 | blahblahx | masus: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and uncomment startxfce4 |
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| 17:07.37 | masus | blahblahx:thanks i'll try |
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| 17:08.20 | masus | blahblahx: but ther is nothing to uncomment ? maybe add one line ? ther is only ". /etc/X11/Xsession" |
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| 17:08.53 | blahblahx | you dont have a file in /etc/X11/xinit/ titled xinitrc? |
| 17:08.54 | CocktailCoder | hi |
| 17:08.58 | masus | i have |
| 17:09.07 | masus | but ther is no line like startxfce4 |
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| 17:09.20 | blahblahx | masus: hold on a sec |
| 17:09.25 | masus | ok thanks |
| 17:09.31 | CocktailCoder | could someone tell me where to find a nice tutorial to configure ssl on debian? |
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| 17:10.24 | S4nD3r | sudo mkfs.vfat -F 16 -n liveusb /dev/sdb1 |
| 17:10.35 | S4nD3r | this doesnt work in my etch |
| 17:10.49 | S4nD3r | theres no mkfs.vfat ... I dont know how to install it |
| 17:11.13 | FastPutty | hi, is there a way to read raw data from a hard drive without any boot format |
| 17:11.17 | FastPutty | har ddrive is not corrupted |
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| 17:12.43 | S4nD3r | Id like to install etch in my pendrive (4.2GB) |
| 17:13.10 | stew | FastPutty: what do you mean by "without any boot format"? |
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| 17:13.52 | S4nD3r | is possible? |
| 17:13.59 | stew | S4nD3r: yes, its possible |
| 17:14.13 | S4nD3r | is there any howto? |
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| 17:14.40 | stew | S4nD3r: "/msg dpkg ig" for the install guide. it should be no different than installing on any other hard drive |
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| 17:14.55 | stew | S4nD3r: mkfs.vfag is in dosfstools |
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| 17:15.17 | S4nD3r | oh.. great |
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| 17:15.27 | S4nD3r | now I will keep with my readme in portuguese |
| 17:15.29 | S4nD3r | thnks |
| 17:15.33 | mogra | vfag :D |
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| 17:15.44 | S4nD3r | vfat |
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| 17:16.06 | jelly-home | mogra: vfag is for people who're trying to stop smoking. |
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| 17:16.30 | mogra | jelly-home: I thought it was a virtual queer. |
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| 17:16.54 | keith4 | any way to move a window from the command line? |
| 17:16.57 | mogra | jelly-home: kind of like those virtual girls who dance on your screen... only not female. |
| 17:18.08 | jelly-home | mogra: I find your lack of British English knowledge ... disturbing. |
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| 17:18.36 | mogra | jelly-home: lack of British English? I know very well "fag" = "cig". |
| 17:18.43 | barnum | so noone else is having issues this morning with iceweasel and gmail? |
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| 17:19.26 | Nyle | fag == stick? |
| 17:19.36 | Nyle | or a bundle of sticks/twigs |
| 17:19.47 | Nyle | yeh they do call cigs fags there |
| 17:19.51 | mogra | Nyle: also true |
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| 17:20.45 | fedya | can you get the netinstall image from the mirrors? |
| 17:20.49 | fedya | i cant seem to find it |
| 17:20.57 | Nyle | !d-i fedya |
| 17:20.57 | dpkg | fedya, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:21.33 | fedya | im downloading from there now, it's going verrrrry slow |
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| 17:21.54 | Nyle | I'm sure its mirrored, you can try |
| 17:22.03 | mogra | I think it's in their "boot" folders |
| 17:22.19 | Nyle | fedya: /msg dpkg mirror |
| 17:22.25 | Nyle | or plural |
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| 17:22.53 | Nyle | jelly-home: hi |
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| 17:23.07 | jelly-home | Nyle: ho |
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| 17:23.15 | Nyle | ahh i see what the fag discussion was,... hehe stew said vfag, that is hilarious |
| 17:23.15 | Nyle | hehe |
| 17:23.29 | Nyle | and not far from the truth either considering how much fat sucks |
| 17:23.36 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 17:25.31 | fedya | not finding anything on the mirrors :-\ |
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| 17:26.07 | masus | hi all, i have installed xfce4 via aptitude. and my question is how to make a autostart without startxfce4. Thanks |
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| 17:26.38 | Phil4 | cahoot, none of it seems to work :S |
| 17:26.43 | Phil4 | can't record either |
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| 17:27.38 | edju | laptop won't boot from cd, there's no floppy and no usb. it's on the LAN. is it possible to stick a knoppix disk in the desktop and boot the lap off of it over the LAN? i've looked around, but can't find a howto. |
| 17:27.39 | Nyle | masus: update-alternaties --config x-session-manager and select xfce, then with startx you got your X+xfce. You can also install gdm and use that to log into X graphic login screen on boot |
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| 17:28.07 | Nyle | masus: just tell gdm to start xfce session |
| 17:28.10 | cahoot | Phil4: wasn't there someone lese here how siad he'd got sound with the same device? |
| 17:28.21 | masus | Nyle:i'm a newbie , how to tell :) |
| 17:28.37 | Nyle | masus: s/update-alternaties/ update-alternatives |
| 17:28.41 | Nyle | masus: what? |
| 17:28.52 | mogra | masus: when you are at the login screen, menu is "Session" |
| 17:29.05 | masus | i can't see the login screen |
| 17:29.12 | masus | i start it with startxfce4 |
| 17:29.15 | Nyle | masus: are you in command line mode righ tnow? |
| 17:29.18 | masus | yes |
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| 17:29.25 | Nyle | masus: aptitude isntall gdm |
| 17:29.40 | Nyle | masus: after you install it, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 17:29.50 | Nyle | it will give you alogin screen in X |
| 17:30.01 | Nyle | just pick xfce session in the session menu |
| 17:30.04 | mogra | choose the session, and should ask "Do you want it be default?" |
| 17:30.27 | masus | ok i'll try |
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| 17:31.18 | mogra | otherwise, echo startxfce4>>~/.bashrc would do it too. |
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| 17:31.39 | mogra | not my recommended route, tho... |
| 17:33.06 | Nyle | edju: hmm |
| 17:33.48 | Nyle | edju: you CAN boot from pxe |
| 17:33.56 | mogra | fedya: odd, I know I DLed the iso from mirror way back when... |
| 17:34.09 | mogra | fedya: I can't find it either... o.O |
| 17:35.17 | edju | Nyle, pxe - ok, thanks. I'll look it up. |
| 17:35.25 | Nyle | edju: boot knoppix on a machine, learn how to setup a tftpboot server, copy the iso and the kernel/initrd (same as the one running on knoppix) . In the pxeboot configuration, tell the kernel to boot from iso file and specify the path |
| 17:35.40 | Nyle | edju: I can't really support knoppix here because I don't really ue it |
| 17:35.43 | Nyle | but in theory its possible |
| 17:36.15 | Nyle | edju: then go into laptop bios, and set it to boot from lan or something |
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| 17:37.05 | Nyle | edju: also this is #debian. I have never tried to serve a running debian system over the net for tftp booting |
| 17:37.17 | riot | hi |
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| 17:37.47 | riot | i'm trying to print using a windows box and my local cups + samba. But i get "Unable to get jobs for ipp://localhost/printers/CLP500 - client-error-bad-request" in my log.smbd.. how can i fix that? |
| 17:37.57 | Nyle | edju: are you trying to install debian on the laptop? |
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| 17:38.38 | edju | Nyle, no, it runs etch now. Gotta repartition to expand the root partition and it's at the end on the disk. |
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| 17:39.22 | Nyle | edju: you said something like its not bootable right now? |
| 17:39.30 | Nyle | edju: but there is a working OS on the system? |
| 17:39.52 | Nyle | what exacty are you trying to accomplish? |
| 17:39.54 | edju | Nyle, it does boot, but not from the cd. |
| 17:40.07 | Nyle | edju: you need a live cd on that laptop? |
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| 17:40.32 | edju | Nyle, yes, but it won't boot a burned cd. |
| 17:40.45 | Nyle | edju: download a knoppix iso, extract the kernel/ramdisk image form it, or get one from knoppix somewhere, and use the knoppix kernel cheat codes and tell it to boot the live cd from the iso file on your disk |
| 17:40.51 | Nyle | then you can partion all you want |
| 17:40.55 | Nyle | go to #knoppix |
| 17:41.26 | Nyle | btw, how small is the partition? |
| 17:41.44 | Nyle | riot: I am unsure but I would ask #samba |
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| 17:42.10 | riot | Nyle: ok. |
| 17:42.54 | Asmooh | sorry for all the connect/disconnect stuff; busy with my irc client, done now ;) |
| 17:42.56 | Nyle | edju: just put the iso on a partition you won't resize |
| 17:43.12 | Nyle | Asmooh: /me ignoes joins/parts/quits/nicks/modes/etc. etc. |
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| 17:43.19 | Asmooh | oh :P |
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| 17:43.47 | Nyle | all I see is people chat, don't care who coems or goes, don't care who gets banned or qeited |
| 17:43.55 | Nyle | quieted |
| 17:44.02 | Nyle | is that even a word? |
| 17:44.17 | Nyle | 'made quiet'? |
| 17:44.26 | mogra | silenced |
| 17:44.31 | Nyle | there ya go |
| 17:44.32 | FastPutty | is tat posisble to read raw scsi harddrive on unix? |
| 17:44.35 | FastPutty | i meanon debian |
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| 17:45.55 | mogra | read raw? like, a hex reader? |
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| 17:46.41 | drasko | hi, where can I find example of repositories to put in my sources.list for SId? |
| 17:46.45 | Nyle | FastPutty: whats wrong with the drive |
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| 17:46.53 | arialdxx | hola |
| 17:46.55 | Nyle | drasko: you want sid? |
| 17:47.04 | RichiH | drasko: if you need to ask that, chances are you should not run it |
| 17:47.09 | arialdxx | alguien de habla hispana? |
| 17:47.13 | RichiH | !es |
| 17:47.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:47.49 | Nyle | !tell drasko -about sid faq |
| 17:47.53 | arialdxx | hello |
| 17:48.00 | Nyle | !tell drasko -about dnuts |
| 17:48.02 | RichiH | arialdxx: /join #debian-es |
| 17:48.41 | Nyle | !tell arialdxx about es |
| 17:49.04 | RichiH | drasko: long story short, while you can certainly run unstable on your computers, you should not do so unless you are experienced with debian |
| 17:49.21 | masus | Nyle: Thanks |
| 17:49.26 | masus | works fine |
| 17:49.28 | Nyle | or you want to learn and arent' afraid of doing some work |
| 17:49.38 | RichiH | point in case, i needed to fix my xserver-xorg by hand as a bug that has already been fixed did not make its way into the repos as ftp-master died |
| 17:50.05 | RichiH | but getting there took time and digging |
| 17:50.10 | drasko | RichiH, thanks |
| 17:50.10 | Nyle | RichiH: what did you do? I woulda just downgraded the package |
| 17:50.11 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 17:50.19 | Nyle | or something depending on what it was |
| 17:50.37 | Nyle | masus: come again? |
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| 17:50.52 | Nyle | masus: oh the login screen |
| 17:51.01 | masus | Nyle:yes :) |
| 17:51.02 | RichiH | drasko: that being said, i highly recommend that you use testing for desktops |
| 17:51.14 | masus | perfect |
| 17:51.18 | Deng | ...hiya...I've some little problems with my epson scanner...anyone up for some help, please? |
| 17:51.19 | Nyle | great |
| 17:51.32 | Nyle | !tell Deng about ask |
| 17:51.36 | arialdxx | hello! somebody can indicate me as exempt the attributes of a folder in debian? |
| 17:51.42 | drasko | RichiH, yes but I need unstable because I want to use embedian-tools |
| 17:52.09 | amirf | how can i get a user list ? |
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| 17:52.22 | RichiH | drasko: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 17:52.23 | Nyle | arialdxx: irc.oftc.net #debian-es. What are you tryin go do? |
| 17:52.26 | arialdxx | hello |
| 17:52.31 | arialdxx | please help |
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| 17:52.38 | RichiH | drasko: that will enable you to install unstable packages on demand and keep the rest of the system as testing |
| 17:52.38 | drasko | RichiH, and I can not apt-get them because some dependencies are too old for these embedian-tools which are only in unstable |
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| 17:53.05 | arialdxx | debian etch |
| 17:53.22 | RichiH | Nyle: i have an ati card, i need the newest xorg packages :) |
| 17:53.24 | drasko | RichiH, I can get emdebian tools from unstable, but what about their dependencies, which are not from embedian repository? |
| 17:53.36 | RichiH | drasko: as i said: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 17:53.43 | RichiH | drasko: that will fix all your problems ;) |
| 17:53.44 | RichiH | :) |
| 17:53.55 | nkuttler | amirf: /etc/passwd is a good start... |
| 17:53.56 | Nyle | RichiH: all his problems? |
| 17:53.58 | drasko | RichiH, thanks |
| 17:54.09 | RichiH | drasko: that page was written with exactly your situation in mind |
| 17:54.14 | Nyle | RichiH: :) wish it was that easy |
| 17:54.16 | RichiH | Nyle: all of them |
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| 17:54.35 | FastPutty | Nyle; there no format on it. it a complet hardrive in raw format |
| 17:54.39 | Deng | I've a Perfection1240U, and forgot how I set it up the first time, months ago, before many formats :) I've tried with sane + xsane and added user in scanner group...but still have some questions...1. xsane takes 5 minutes to load...and it isn't so normal... 2. I've found also Image Scan! for linux, and doubtful if using it... |
| 17:54.40 | RichiH | Nyle: the fillings in his teeth will fall out and the natural tooth will regrow to fill the gap! |
| 17:54.42 | Nyle | apt-get install fix-life |
| 17:54.45 | FastPutty | Nyle: i canot get it to read |
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| 17:54.53 | FastPutty | Nyle: i tried to recover my file in it tat why |
| 17:55.13 | arialdxx | I want to copy a folder in the directory /etc/var/www |
| 17:55.21 | Nyle | FastPutty: I don't know file recovery |
| 17:55.23 | drasko | RichiH, I see... so, it should be something like # apt-get -t unstable install embedian-tools |
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| 17:55.45 | RichiH | drasko: yes. you need to follow the full doc, though |
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| 17:55.55 | cloakable | aixing: Don't you mean /var/www, for the webserver? |
| 17:56.00 | Nyle | arialdxx: why |
| 17:56.04 | nkuttler | arialdxx: that's an odd place, you probably mean /var/www/ |
| 17:56.08 | cloakable | Erp |
| 17:56.11 | drasko | RichiH, perfect, thank you very much |
| 17:56.16 | RichiH | drasko: you need to set up the sources, the pinning, then update your package cache. _then_ you can apt-get -t unstable install embedian-tools |
| 17:56.21 | cloakable | Ruddy tab complete |
| 17:56.23 | RichiH | drasko: no problem at all |
| 17:56.51 | FastPutty | Nyle: it not file recover, all file is there |
| 17:56.59 | FastPutty | Nyle: it just not in ntfs or ntf anymore |
| 17:57.02 | FastPutty | Nyle: it a pure raw data |
| 17:57.14 | Nyle | I don't know how, I'm sorry |
| 17:57.18 | FastPutty | ok.. |
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| 17:57.41 | FastPutty | how do you mount sda then? its mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ? right |
| 17:57.44 | FastPutty | ? |
| 17:57.53 | Nyle | but you have to specify which file system it has |
| 17:57.57 | Nyle | with -t option |
| 17:58.09 | arialdxx | hola... en cual direccion encuentro salas en español? |
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| 17:58.51 | Nyle | arialdxx: join #debian-es |
| 17:58.53 | flami | !es |
| 17:59.00 | flami | is the bot dead ? |
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| 17:59.29 | Nyle | arialdxx: you have been told where you can find help in your language. Please join #debian-es |
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| 18:01.32 | pngwn | arialdxx, try #debian-es |
| 18:01.46 | masus | Debian is perfect. i like it :P |
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| 18:02.59 | mogra | !perfect |
| 18:02.59 | dpkg | There is no such thing as absolute perfection. Perfection is completely subjective. [with the possible exception of Debian.] See Debian. |
| 18:03.11 | masus | :) |
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| 18:03.30 | masus | u can everythþng do with debain with no limit :/ |
| 18:03.37 | masus | *debian |
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| 18:05.42 | ma3x | what are other ways to print than cups? |
| 18:05.53 | mogra | lprng |
| 18:06.03 | ma3x | other? |
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| 18:06.21 | cahoot | paper and pen? |
| 18:06.48 | ma3x | i was wondering when i scan something at 300 dpi, should i adjust the size when printing? |
| 18:06.53 | ma3x | should i reduce it 3 x ? |
| 18:09.27 | cahoot | isn't the question what resolution your printer outputs? |
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| 18:10.03 | arialdxx | encounter rooms of chat does not debian in Spanish |
| 18:10.23 | arialdxx | dir complet |
| 18:10.29 | ma3x | cahoot, i dont know - there is option to select 300 dpi and 600 dpi but why not 100 ? |
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| 18:10.59 | cahoot | are you speaking of scanning or printing now? |
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| 18:11.50 | ma3x | cahoot, I scan document with 300 dpi |
| 18:12.01 | ma3x | and I want to print it so that it comes out the same size as the original document |
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| 18:13.04 | cahoot | ma3x: http://www.scantips.com/ |
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| 18:13.23 | ma3x | cahoot, if i scan 300 dpi does that mean the document will be 3x bigger? |
| 18:13.51 | ma3x | I mean if I want better quality does it make sense to scan at 300 dpi rather than 100? |
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| 18:16.54 | solemnwarning | If CPU always has at least 10% idle while doing rsync over SSH does that mean the bottleneck is I/O and SSH isn't impacting it? |
| 18:16.56 | cahoot | ma3x: http://www.scantips.com/ - has an insightful discussion on this - there is no universally true answer |
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| 18:22.17 | Sebboh | Where do I keep my subversion repositories, the Debian Way? |
| 18:22.42 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.07 | solemnwarning | Heh, "debian way" |
| 18:23.13 | ricky_ | what can i do when i'm booting a new kernel and says uniform cdrom revision: 3.20? |
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| 18:23.34 | Maulkin | Sebboh: in general, the 'debian way' is FHS way |
| 18:24.26 | mogra | "Debian Way", that our new themed candybars? |
| 18:24.28 | Sebboh | ... With regard to the arrangement of the filesystem. The Debian Way is a much broader thing than that, though. |
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| 18:24.58 | Sebboh | Motto on the wrapper: "Don't like it? Don't eat it." |
| 18:25.07 | Maulkin | ricky_: can you try booting with "ide=nodma" ? |
| 18:25.22 | mogra | or "If it's not Free it's not the Debian Way" |
| 18:25.57 | mogra | or "Liberated Candy" |
| 18:25.58 | abrotman | if it's not DFSG free |
| 18:26.00 | ricky_ | no i just compile a new kernel and it won't past from uniform cdrom driver revision: 3.20 |
| 18:26.04 | ma3x | how do i select a default printer? |
| 18:26.35 | Sebboh | "Peanuts are hereby banned from Debian Way, because they were found to contain an obscure non-free lipid." |
| 18:26.43 | Maulkin | ricky_: sounds like you've got your kernel compile wrong then |
| 18:26.45 | cloakable | LOL |
| 18:27.03 | mogra | I knew those peanuts were up to something sneaky |
| 18:27.20 | mogra | No, wait, we just manufacture our own from the peanuts source and call them icenuts |
| 18:27.31 | Sebboh | no, poopnuts |
| 18:27.37 | mogra | ew |
| 18:27.50 | Sebboh | pea-nuts.. get it..? :) |
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| 18:27.56 | mogra | yes, I get it, just... ew |
| 18:28.27 | Sebboh | I said the same thing when I heard the name iceweasel.. Hardly majestic. |
| 18:28.28 | ricky_ | yah kinda i used the .config of the kernel i'm using right now |
| 18:28.32 | themill | Sebboh: I've seen some argue that FHS now says to use /srv/svn/repositories or something similar.... |
| 18:28.50 | Sebboh | themill, yes. I was wondering that myself. |
| 18:28.52 | mogra | is there a guide for making an IRC bot? need something to, for now, just auto log chats. |
| 18:28.55 | Maulkin | That's a choice for the admin. Debian can't put stuff in there |
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| 18:29.07 | Maulkin | mogra: what language? |
| 18:29.12 | lrp | hello everybody |
| 18:29.18 | themill | Sebboh: but it's up to taste. I stick it in /home/svn because it makes my backups easier. |
| 18:29.35 | mogra | Maulkin: Py if possible. |
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| 18:29.56 | mogra | what is dpkg written in? |
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| 18:29.57 | Maulkin | mogra: no idea for that. In perl I use IRC::Simple |
| 18:30.02 | Sebboh | themill, sure. If this was to be used by only one user I'd tell that user to handle it himself and not bother me lest I accidently rm him. :) |
| 18:30.25 | masus | how to set the time via terminal |
| 18:30.54 | Maulkin | masus: date |
| 18:31.06 | themill | Sebboh: not $HOME/svn but literally /home/svn ... so that's still a shared location. |
| 18:31.14 | mogra | date -s "<date string>" |
| 18:31.43 | themill | masus: or use ntpdate from the ntpdate package |
| 18:31.53 | Sebboh | oh, oh, ok, themill. Sure, yes, I've seen that sometimes, more often with ftp and such on commercial systems |
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| 18:32.18 | ma3x | this is stupid, when i select a4 paper size, it reduces the image a little bit |
| 18:32.25 | ma3x | why the hell? |
| 18:32.38 | Maulkin | nameless: please remove that plugin |
| 18:32.44 | tombs | to install debian in a macbook, with intel proc, do I need x86, or poerpc please? |
| 18:32.52 | Maulkin | tombs: x86 |
| 18:32.53 | nameless | sorry |
| 18:33.17 | themill | Sebboh: so it's largely a matter of taste. Debian comes with no defined path. (that I know of ;) |
| 18:33.20 | tombs | Maulkin: do you have any reference about it? |
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| 18:33.32 | Maulkin | tombs: it's an intel processor, right? |
| 18:33.37 | tombs | yep |
| 18:33.40 | tombs | I understand |
| 18:33.40 | Maulkin | ia32 (aka: 386) |
| 18:33.51 | Maulkin | Or, if it's 64bit, then amd64 is for you |
| 18:33.51 | tombs | but I need to show it to someone else |
| 18:34.04 | mogra | PPC is a processor arch, intel!=PPC |
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| 18:34.35 | Sebboh | ma3x: the image isn't the size you want exactly? Or your A4 paper has some margin on it? By the way, you gave us no context for your problem.. What application? What print system? What are you printing? |
| 18:34.37 | Maulkin | tombs: give them the chat logs? :) |
| 18:35.21 | ma3x | Sebboh, gimp-print (I guess that uses lp) well I print on the same paper, when I select a4 paper it makes it smaller than the default (letter) |
| 18:36.32 | themill | ma3x: a4 is narrower than letter; gimp-print uses margins so smaller paper size less the same margins = smaller image. |
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| 18:37.00 | Sebboh | I guess that I don't know much about lp. I didn't know that that did graphics.. I might be too old. |
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| 18:37.28 | themill | nameless: you'll get yourself kicked if you keep doing that |
| 18:37.32 | stew | nameless: please turn that script off in here |
| 18:37.46 | nameless | unloaded |
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| 18:37.54 | nameless | this is a lame script :P |
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| 18:38.35 | tombs | Maulkin: lol |
| 18:38.48 | vovo | after upgrading to lenny, the monospace font in gnome-terminal has changed, they seem a little larger and taller. |
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| 18:39.02 | vovo | i don't like the new fonts. how can I have the old fonts? |
| 18:39.20 | doogers | How can I modify the debianinstaller steps? |
| 18:39.39 | ma3x | how do i set default printer? |
| 18:39.44 | cahoot | vovo: not the dpi that got changed? |
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| 18:40.05 | vovo | cahoot: how can I find out? |
| 18:40.06 | themill | ma3x: go to http://localhost:631/printers/ |
| 18:40.25 | cahoot | vovo: xpdyinfo would tell |
| 18:40.26 | vovo | cahoot: the rest of my desktop is fine. the problem is only with the font in gnome-terminal. |
| 18:40.38 | cahoot | vovo: err xdpyinfo |
| 18:40.40 | lrp | where can i get debian updates ? |
| 18:40.42 | lrp | !kernel |
| 18:40.44 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.1, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc2, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc2-git2, 2.4: 2.4.35.3, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-mm1 |
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| 18:40.47 | ma3x | themill, and hwhat? |
| 18:40.59 | vovo | cahoot: xpdyinfo => bash: xpdyinfo: command not found |
| 18:41.04 | abrotman | lrp: updates to what? |
| 18:41.06 | abrotman | xdpyinfo |
| 18:41.17 | ma3x | themill, how do i define default printer? otherwise i should manually select it every time in gimp |
| 18:41.17 | lrp | i want to update my kernel to view webcams |
| 18:41.23 | themill | ma3x: learn to fish and/or read.... the buttons marked "Set as default" might be a hint |
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| 18:41.32 | lrp | my kernel does not support usb webcams |
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| 18:41.48 | Maulkin | tombs: http://people.debian.org/~neilm/tombs.html (there you go, docs) |
| 18:41.55 | cahoot | lrp: modulea-assistant is your tool |
| 18:41.56 | lrp | abrotman, 2.6.22-2-686 to a new one |
| 18:41.59 | lrp | or downgrade |
| 18:42.12 | lrp | modules-assistant ? |
| 18:42.19 | vovo | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/m1d933d29 |
| 18:42.28 | cahoot | !m-a |
| 18:42.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 18:42.50 | ma3x | themill, where do you see that? im talking about GIMP! |
| 18:42.58 | abrotman | lrp: that is the newest in debian |
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| 18:43.16 | cahoot | vovo: resolution: 96x96 dots per inch |
| 18:43.21 | lrp | mm |
| 18:43.23 | lrp | ok |
| 18:43.25 | vovo | cahoot: is that a problem? |
| 18:43.28 | themill | ma3x: you asked about the default printer. |
| 18:43.34 | tombs | Maulkin: wow |
| 18:43.38 | cahoot | vovo: not just a fact |
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| 18:43.58 | Maulkin | tombs: not sure what else I can really give you. A PPC processor requires a PPC arch :P |
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| 18:44.11 | Gun_Smoke | is fuck okay on this channel? |
| 18:44.13 | extor | I want to cache every single name resolution for a set time period. How do I do that? |
| 18:44.15 | lrp | i have one question |
| 18:44.18 | UNDERsoN | what daemon for time syncronize using in debian |
| 18:44.21 | ma3x | themill, yeah in gimp (it uses lpr) there has to be some config file for lpr/ |
| 18:44.25 | vovo | is there any pastebin type of thing for images? |
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| 18:44.37 | lrp | is there any professional program in debian to broadcasting movies /tv radio ? |
| 18:44.45 | mogra | !tell vovo about paste |
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| 18:45.04 | stew | UNDERsoN: ntp |
| 18:45.08 | RoyK | hi |
| 18:45.13 | themill | ma3x: my mind reading skills aren't up to scratch today. The gimp doesn't use the cups settings for the default printer. |
| 18:45.19 | RoyK | how can I have debian set the hostname based on reverse dns? |
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| 18:45.58 | RoyK | this being etch |
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| 18:46.43 | themill | ma3x: afaict gimp uses whatever printer you last used |
| 18:46.44 | Maulkin | RoyK: in theory, but probably not. The hostname will be set before any resolving thing comes up IIRC |
| 18:47.15 | ma3x | themill, no it doesnt it always goes back to default printer which is NOTHING |
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| 18:47.19 | UNDERsoN | stew thanks it wasn't intalled I think may bee not ntp but something other |
| 18:47.25 | vovo | cahoot: this is how my terminal looks now: http://picpaste.com/term.png |
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| 18:47.41 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: chrony ? |
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| 18:48.07 | sepski | RoyK, you can look at /usr/bin/update-hostname-from-ip from debian-edu-config package. it also contains a init.d snippet. |
| 18:48.34 | RoyK | sepski: danke |
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| 18:49.17 | RoyK | sepski: Package debian-edu-config is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:49.21 | databuddy | ARGH |
| 18:49.23 | cahoot | vovo: tried manipulation the options in gnomes font menu? |
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| 18:51.29 | vovo | cahoot: the default one looks the best. other fonts look even uglier. |
| 18:51.42 | vovo | cahoot: but the older default one looked better. |
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| 18:53.56 | vovo | how can I read /usr/share/doc/netcat/README.gz ? |
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| 18:54.22 | cahoot | vovo: try zless |
| 18:54.40 | jimmybgood | zcat /usr/share/doc/netcat/README.gz |less |
| 18:54.42 | sepski | RoyK, you have to get it from unstable. but you dont want to install the entire package it's for debian edu systems only. just grab that one file and the init.d snippet http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debian-edu/trunk/src/debian-edu-config/?rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 18:54.56 | sepski | if you dont want to dl the package |
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| 18:55.19 | MiguelGC | Hi, I need to find a Lexmark X5150 printer driver with working scanner.. can someone help? |
| 18:55.23 | cast | jimmybgood: zless /usr/share/doc/netcat/README.gz is a bit more to the point :) |
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| 18:57.49 | kombi | where does imap usually store mail? I am building partitions... |
| 18:57.57 | kombi | in /var ? |
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| 18:58.20 | kombi | or /home? |
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| 18:58.38 | Maulkin | Depends on config. |
| 18:58.55 | stew | mine does both depending on the user |
| 18:59.17 | kombi | stew: I guess I do giant /home and /var then.. |
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| 19:00.02 | doogers | How can I modify the debianinstaller steps? |
| 19:00.15 | abrotman | kombi: it'd probably be easier to pick just one |
| 19:00.23 | vovo | can I use netcat to forward incoming requests on one port to a service listening on another port. netcat should be like a proxy. so it should forward the response back also. |
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| 19:00.31 | Maulkin | doogers: look at preseeding |
| 19:00.41 | Maulkin | doogers: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:01.21 | doogers | Maulkin, I want add the image at the start of debian Installer |
| 19:01.21 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:01.31 | doogers | I'm italian D: |
| 19:01.40 | abrotman | doogers: you want to change the debian swirl ? |
| 19:01.53 | fredl | hey guys. Is it possible that my sources.list gets altered by a dist-upgrade (I had changed all my 'unstable' references to 'testing' recently and now somehow it seems 'sid' got in there) |
| 19:01.55 | Maulkin | doogers: !cdd |
| 19:01.58 | Maulkin | no.. |
| 19:01.59 | Maulkin | !cdd |
| 19:02.03 | Maulkin | hrm |
| 19:02.21 | sepski | vovo, use a ssh tunnel ? or can perhaps a iptables redirect help you ? |
| 19:02.25 | Maulkin | doogers: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 19:02.55 | Maulkin | fredl: I don't think so, but be aware that you can't go from sid -> etsting |
| 19:02.57 | Maulkin | *testing |
| 19:02.58 | doogers | Maulkin, nono... I want add under the languages list another image |
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| 19:03.13 | abrotman | doogers: another translation? |
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| 19:03.26 | fredl | Maulkin - I know I can't go from sid to testing instantly, but it should synch when I give it some time. |
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| 19:03.41 | Daveman | yo yo yo |
| 19:03.42 | Maulkin | fredl: possibly :) |
| 19:03.47 | vovo | sepski: iptables is not helping, say, I forward 8080 -> 80, then when remote connects to 8080, it is forwarded and it becomes remote connects to 80. |
| 19:03.51 | doogers | abrotman, nono.... umh.... a moment |
| 19:03.55 | Maulkin | fredl: I don't know of anything that will modify it. |
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| 19:04.00 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
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| 19:04.05 | Daveman | hey Abrotman :) |
| 19:04.07 | cast | is there any security implications from mounting a untrusted NFS share? |
| 19:04.19 | vovo | sepski: whereas I want, that remote connects to myprog listening on 8080, and then myprog should connect to 80, so that service on 80 feels that something from the localhost is connecting. |
| 19:04.24 | fredl | Also, I still seem to experience this weird keymapping thing in X. How come that isn't fixed yet? |
| 19:04.31 | valdyn | cast: sure |
| 19:04.33 | sepski | vovo, try ssh tunnel |
| 19:04.50 | fredl | keymapping thing being a wrong keymap. I can login in gdm, so when I'm there the keymap is still correct. |
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| 19:04.59 | Maulkin | fredl: Well, what's your bug number? |
| 19:05.18 | stew | !weird-keyboard-layout |
| 19:05.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, weird-keyboard-layout is You want to look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442316 |
| 19:05.28 | doogers | Maulkin, I want add a image at the first step/pass of installer |
| 19:05.28 | fredl | but when I open a gnome-terminal after I'm logged inm it seems some keys are remapped. |
| 19:05.30 | vovo | sepski: how can I set up an ssh tunnel? the messages would come as plaintext in port 80 and should be forwarded to port 8080. will ssh help? |
| 19:05.33 | cast | valdyn: and they would be? |
| 19:05.40 | Maulkin | doogers: see http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 19:05.42 | valdyn | cast: suid binaries |
| 19:05.56 | LoGICIAN | vovo: yes |
| 19:06.16 | fredl | Maulking - see dpkg's comment. I have not filed the bug nor have I looked at it recently because somebody told me on here that it had already been filed. |
| 19:06.16 | Speckal | I'm not seeing gcc-4.1-doc in etch packages ... my sources.list contains only ftp.us.debian etch and security etch |
| 19:06.18 | cast | valdyn: well, ignoring issues of execution of anything found on the untrusted host :) |
| 19:06.23 | vovo | LoGICIAN: how can I set one? |
| 19:06.40 | valdyn | cast: nothing i can think of then |
| 19:06.49 | sepski | ssh -g -N -L 8080:localhost:80 localhost |
| 19:06.52 | sepski | or something like that |
| 19:06.55 | sepski | man ssh for details |
| 19:06.58 | Maulkin | fredl: well, there hasn't been any updates recently due to ftpmaster being down. That may affect it |
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| 19:07.02 | LoGICIAN | yes |
| 19:07.17 | vovo | sepski: wow! thanks a lot. that seems easy. I'll read and do it. |
| 19:07.18 | sepski | from 8080-Zlocalhost:80 |
| 19:07.29 | fredl | ftpmaster being down?? Well it hasn't been down for a week, has it? |
| 19:07.32 | sepski | if you want from 80 to localhost 8080 you swap 8080 and 80 |
| 19:07.37 | Maulkin | fredl: yup |
| 19:07.43 | fredl | *ugh* |
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| 19:08.00 | Maulkin | fredl: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00001.html |
| 19:08.05 | kombi | while trying to build a RAID with two sata disks during install, the screen turns blank blue.. what might it be? |
| 19:08.06 | fredl | Well I just got a bunch of updates with apt.... |
| 19:08.22 | fredl | so something is working. |
| 19:08.26 | Maulkin | yes, we're in the middle of the first mirror push |
| 19:08.58 | Maulkin | Should be all back and up to date next pulse. |
| 19:09.00 | fredl | Alright, well I'll give it some more time then I guess for that bug to be fixed. No biggie. |
| 19:09.04 | kombi | I alway first build partitions and then assemble the RAID, has that changed? |
| 19:09.31 | kombi | wonder why that fails.. |
| 19:09.38 | Pntkl | I'll think about it |
| 19:09.50 | fredl | neways, tnx and laterz. |
| 19:10.16 | doogers | Is there a devel chan on IRC? |
| 19:10.29 | Maulkin | doogers: yup |
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| 19:11.16 | kombi | Are there issues with sata disks and MD in the installer still? |
| 19:11.21 | doogers | Maulkin, yup? |
| 19:11.38 | Maulkin | doogers: yes, there is. |
| 19:11.46 | sepski | kombi, works for me |
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| 19:12.04 | doogers | Maulkin, and... What is it? |
| 19:12.09 | kombi | sebski: strange.. |
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| 19:12.48 | Maulkin | doogers: #debian-devel on irc.debian.org. But bear in mind, that it's not for support or asking about the status of random bugs. |
| 19:12.57 | cast | NFSv4 + LIPKEY looks good to me, just..how to use it |
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| 19:14.56 | kombi | sebski: just now the screen recovered, it seems to take enormously long for every step of the assembly.. |
| 19:14.59 | doogers | Maulkin, thx |
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| 19:15.23 | abrotman | Maulkin: shoulnd't he be asking #debian-boot ? |
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| 19:15.43 | kombi | I remember that happened to me already at some point in the past, just can't remember what it was.. |
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| 19:16.02 | Maulkin | hrm, yeah |
| 19:16.14 | Maulkin | doogers: #debian-boot may be the place for you for installer issues |
| 19:16.31 | stew | i wonder if a sudden flood of uploads is going to cauase more than the normal amount of breakage |
| 19:16.40 | abrotman | doogers: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:17.21 | vovo | sepski: This helped: ssh -L 9999:localhost:8080 localhost :-) |
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| 19:18.11 | LoGICIAN | vovo -g -N has a reason to exist there too |
| 19:18.39 | vovo | -g for remote hosts |
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| 19:18.57 | LoGICIAN | and -N not to prompt a shell |
| 19:18.59 | vovo | -N do not execute commands |
| 19:19.03 | themill | ma3x: called away for a while; but what can I say... it works for me. Have you tried pressing the "save settings" button? |
| 19:19.14 | vovo | may be I was trying on local system, so it worked without -g |
| 19:19.35 | LoGICIAN | not it works with and without |
| 19:19.45 | ma3x | themill, thanks |
| 19:19.46 | vovo | Logician: meaning? |
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| 19:19.53 | LoGICIAN | is just that with it doesn't give you a shell |
| 19:20.11 | vovo | Logician: that is -N, I was talking about -g |
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| 19:20.22 | fedya | the netinstall i used didnt install a graphical system?! |
| 19:20.43 | vovo | so what is this doing? ssh -L 9999:localhost:8080 localhost? when I connect to 9999, it encrypts my packets in ssh and forwards it to 8080, and how does tomcat on 8080 decrypt it? |
| 19:20.48 | twiggz | then you didnt check off the "desktop" category to be installed. |
| 19:20.49 | Eulex | fedya, you didn't choose to? |
| 19:20.50 | LoGICIAN | xmm nice then we understand each other |
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| 19:21.26 | LoGICIAN | it's because it does a tunnel from source to destination port |
| 19:21.26 | fedya | it never gave me the option |
| 19:21.41 | fedya | it only installed base system and that's it |
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| 19:21.50 | vovo | Logician: source port is 9999 and destination is 8080 |
| 19:21.51 | abrotman | fedya: which GUI do you want? |
| 19:21.56 | LoGICIAN | yes |
| 19:21.56 | j0rd | Problem: I created a 256m / partition. /var /usr /boot are on seperates and have lots of room. Issue is i'm trying to upgrade to a new kernel....but when i apt it..../lib fills up and it breaks |
| 19:22.02 | fedya | any |
| 19:22.07 | abrotman | fedya: pick one |
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| 19:22.09 | vovo | browser connects to source port 9999 and sends plaintext |
| 19:22.10 | fedya | gnome |
| 19:22.11 | masus | does anyone know a free and good :) softphone for debian |
| 19:22.11 | j0rd | how can i go about installing a new kernel when /lib doesn't have enough space |
| 19:22.17 | abrotman | fedya: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm |
| 19:22.22 | vovo | ssh encrypts the plain text and sends the cipher text to whom? |
| 19:22.28 | j0rd | or how can i clean up /lib |
| 19:22.56 | cast | vovo: ssh decrypts it on the other end |
| 19:22.59 | LoGICIAN | yes because 9999 give you localy the port 8080 (localy again) |
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| 19:23.11 | vovo | what is the other end here? |
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| 19:23.13 | LoGICIAN | it make a tunnel from one to other destination |
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| 19:23.28 | vovo | ssh listened on 9999, received plain-text, encrypted it and sent to whom? |
| 19:23.29 | LoGICIAN | it brings you 8080 in 9999 |
| 19:23.40 | vovo | it can't send it to 8080 because, 8080 again needs plain text. |
| 19:24.11 | LoGICIAN | ssh -L 9999:localhost:8080 localhost |
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| 19:24.34 | Tramp | vovo: you connect with ssh to the sshd on localhost |
| 19:24.39 | wols | vovo: no. the transport is encrypted the endpoints are not |
| 19:24.55 | themill | vovo: ssh decrypts the packet before sending it on to the endpoint (localhost:8080) |
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| 19:25.12 | wols | themill: sshd does :P </nitpick> |
| 19:25.13 | LoGICIAN | this command just listen the 9999 and fordwards to if the data you take from host localhost connecting to it by tunnel and fordwarding the data from 8080 to 9999 |
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| 19:25.33 | wols | vovo: you can even use a null cyipher and save some cycles |
| 19:25.40 | themill | wols: yes.. and probably a useful distinction to make here. |
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| 19:25.59 | LoGICIAN | the tranport is done encrypting at the end-point there is an encryption/decryption |
| 19:26.31 | vovo | I didn't undertand. it takes packet at 9999, encrypts, decrypts and gives it back to 8080. so what is protected against? it itself encrypted and decrypted at the same time. |
| 19:27.04 | wols | vovo: no. your ssh client encrypts and your ssh daemon decrpts |
| 19:27.05 | themill | vovo: it's encrypted while it moves between the ssh client and sshd server which are presumably on different machines. |
| 19:27.21 | wols | also usually it's used across the internet so encrypting it on the way makes sense |
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| 19:27.25 | themill | vovo: except this time they're not.... |
| 19:27.35 | themill | wtf is going on? |
| 19:27.37 | wols | as I said in your case you can use a null cipher and skip the encryption |
| 19:27.49 | Eulex | I just discovered a 'smartness' in linux. a program that allocates 200mb doesn't automatically have 200mb RES, it has 200mb VIRT until the program has actually written to it. |
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| 19:28.12 | wols | Eulex: allcation and commit. always were different in pretty much any modern OS |
| 19:28.22 | wols | *allocation |
| 19:28.31 | vovo | how can I mention null cipher? |
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| 19:28.45 | themill | wols: if it's just port bouncing that's going on, isn't there an iptables rule that could do that *much* more efficiently? |
| 19:28.47 | xbow | none? |
| 19:28.52 | Eulex | wols, yeah, I guess writing/reading to the memory maps it into ram? |
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| 19:30.29 | cast | vovo: NTU being/ |
| 19:30.34 | j0rd | how does one un-install the "backup" or "last" kernel they've installed |
| 19:30.36 | Wyzard | Eulex: Yes, it's basically the same as the ordinary page-fault mechanism (for stuff that's been swapped out) except the kernel just picks an available free page rather than reading data from swap |
| 19:30.47 | Eulex | Wyzard, yeah, suspected that |
| 19:30.47 | j0rd | trying to upgrade to new kernel, but the old old one is filling up /lib |
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| 19:31.09 | wols | Eulex: wrting on virtual memory (a 4k page in i386) actually puts phys ram "there" yes |
| 19:31.23 | wols | so if you write on byte, all of 4k is mapped at that place |
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| 19:31.33 | Eulex | yeah |
| 19:31.41 | Wyzard | Eulex: The kernel also "overcommits" memory if it's configured to do so -- processes can allocate more memory than is actually physically available |
| 19:31.56 | vovo | When, I do ssh -NgL 6666:localhost:8080 localhost, I get this:- |
| 19:31.56 | vovo | humpty@localhost's password: |
| 19:31.56 | vovo | bind: Address already in use |
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| 19:32.06 | vovo | but If I remove -g, the bind: addresss already in use goes away |
| 19:32.11 | wols | Wyzard: that should be available always depe3nding on swap size |
| 19:32.13 | vovo | forwarding works fine in both the cases though. |
| 19:32.15 | vovo | why? |
| 19:32.39 | Wyzard | Eulex: because many programs don't bother to check whether malloc() succeeded, overcommit allows the allocation to succeed even if there isn't enough available RAM now, in the hope that more will be available later, when the program actually tries to use that memory |
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| 19:33.03 | j0rd | ok, i'm going to start deleting stuff in /lib for fun then. i'll see what happends |
| 19:33.08 | j0rd | god speed |
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| 19:33.24 | Wyzard | Eulex: On the other hand, if the program tries to use the memory it allocated, and not enough physical memory is available, it gets a segfault that it can't gracefully handle, rather than a NULL return from malloc() earlier which it could potentially have handled |
| 19:33.34 | wols | vovo: seems debian can't use a null cipher without recompiling openssh but you can always use the blowfish one, it's very light |
| 19:33.35 | Wyzard | wols: I'm talking about allocating more than the available RAM+swap |
| 19:33.44 | LoGICIAN | vovo propably something listening in the *public ip* if your system |
| 19:33.48 | LoGICIAN | thats why |
| 19:34.00 | kombi | gee, partitioning literally takes forever.. what make it so slow in fresh sata disks? |
| 19:34.02 | LoGICIAN | at source 6666 maybe? |
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| 19:34.22 | Wyzard | kombi: partitioning takes nearly zero time regardless of the disk |
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| 19:34.26 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 19:34.29 | Wyzard | kombi: but creating a filesystem can take awhile on a big partition |
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| 19:34.44 | Eulex | Wyzard, smart. |
| 19:34.51 | kombi | Wyzard: I haven't even gotten that far yet.. |
| 19:34.53 | LoGICIAN | you use -g localy to fordward something listening to localhost to some external ips address.. |
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| 19:34.58 | kombi | was that english?.. |
| 19:35.05 | Wyzard | Eulex: smart or problematic, depending on how you like your out-of-memory situations to be handled |
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| 19:35.19 | wols | Wyzard: OOM killer 4tw! |
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| 19:35.35 | Wyzard | Eulex: overcommit is controlled by /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory -- I've read that it's enabled by default, but it's zero on all my Debian systems |
| 19:35.59 | Eulex | Wyzard, zero here. |
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| 19:37.55 | vovo | I want to try this example: www.heronforge.net/redhat/node11.html - But I don't find any /etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd where I can put the service geofwd { flags=REUSE....} stuff? |
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| 19:38.44 | Wyzard | Eulex: oh... turns out that zero is actually enabled |
| 19:38.53 | Wyzard | Eulex: http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_vm_overcommit_memory.html |
| 19:38.55 | Eulex | Wyzard, oh |
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| 19:40.21 | wols | vovo: debian doesn't use xinetd by default but inetd. different distro, different things |
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| 19:40.56 | LoGICIAN | vovo it gets boring, rtfm |
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| 19:41.27 | vovo | LoGICIAN: which manual will tell me these things? I am sorry, I am new to Debian. |
| 19:41.29 | cast | random note: when i used xinetd and set 'log on failure' *and* 'log on success' it would log twice, despite the event being a failure |
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| 19:42.18 | LoGICIAN | try this for ssh tunneling http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html |
| 19:42.22 | LoGICIAN | the debian manual for debian |
| 19:42.38 | LoGICIAN | and there is a nice tut for netcat in the first pages of google |
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| 19:42.57 | vovo | LoGICIAN: i have done ssh tunnelling successfullly. I am asking about forwarding through xinetd.conf |
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| 19:43.07 | mogra | debian manual for gentoo? |
| 19:43.14 | vovo | this link: www.heronforge.net/redhat/node11.html |
| 19:43.21 | Wyzard | LoGICIAN: Gentoo the distro? Or Gentoo the file manager? |
| 19:43.21 | vovo | would the same example work with inetd |
| 19:43.31 | vovo | xinetd.d* |
| 19:43.51 | cast | my lack of sleep seems to be spawning confusion, ignore me :\ |
| 19:44.04 | stew | vovo: you'd use inetd.conf, you can use update-inetd to add entries to it and "/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd reload" after you have made changes. if you want to use xinetd instead of inetd, "aptitude install xinetd" |
| 19:44.27 | stew | cast: i think the gentoo(1x) manpage is actually pretty good |
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| 19:46.27 | mogra | Debian has a man page for the distro Gentoo? xD |
| 19:46.38 | mogra | !gentoo |
| 19:46.38 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 19:47.01 | cast | re: my previous NFSv4 question, it seems no one has a working LIPKEY implementation. which is a shame, it looks cool |
| 19:47.44 | stew | mogra: debian has a manpage for the gentoo file manager |
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| 19:47.59 | Wyzard | hey, cool, ftp-master is back up |
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| 19:48.03 | mogra | :) |
| 19:48.28 | simonrvn | woot |
| 19:48.38 | Wyzard | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00002.html |
| 19:48.51 | simonrvn | i was just thinking that, it was back up |
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| 19:52.49 | Marcus_ | i try to setup dejavu fonts on my kde box but they either look fuzzy or blurred, depending on the hinting settings. any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 19:53.07 | anand | can anyone help me enable 3d acceleration on my laptop please ? |
| 19:53.32 | mogra | anand: what card type? |
| 19:53.44 | anand | mogra: i910 |
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| 19:54.01 | anand | mogra: its using the i810 driver. |
| 19:55.19 | anand | mogra: I need to know how to recompile the lernel with the agpgart and i810 chipset module. |
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| 19:55.32 | anand | mogra: s/lernel/kernel |
| 19:55.58 | stew | anand: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:56.20 | anand | stew: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:56.22 | Wyzard | anand: AGP and i810 DRM support are already in the standard kernel |
| 19:56.26 | Wyzard | anand: You don't need to recompile anything |
| 19:56.38 | mogra | eep, sry, I haven't recompiled a kernel, or needed to, since ~ 2002 |
| 19:56.52 | Wyzard | anand: but you should update your kernel, because 2.6.18-4 has been superseded by 2.6.18-5, which has some security fixes |
| 19:57.01 | stew | anand: you already have it> "modprobe i810" would enable it. "lsmod | grep i810" would verify that it is loaded |
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| 19:57.13 | vovo | is there no package for GN Netcat in Debian? |
| 19:57.17 | anand | Wyzard: ok. any thing I need to do to get direct rendering to yes ? |
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| 19:57.22 | anand | stew: ok. trying that |
| 19:57.26 | Wyzard | Actually, even loading the module manually shouldn't be necessary |
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| 19:57.32 | Wyzard | Just configure to use the i810 driver |
| 19:57.36 | stew | !info netcat |
| 19:57.39 | Wyzard | That's all I needed with the i915 driver for my laptop |
| 19:57.40 | dpkg | netcat: (TCP/IP swiss army knife), section net, is important. Version: 1.10-33 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 19:57.50 | Wyzard | vovo: netcat is packaged, but what is "GN netcat"? |
| 19:57.52 | mogra | in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:57.53 | vovo | this is not the GNU netcat |
| 19:58.03 | vovo | there are two netcats available |
| 19:58.14 | vovo | one has versoin more than 1, which is with debian |
| 19:58.25 | vovo | and an 0.7.1 written by someone which was the GNU Netcat |
| 19:58.37 | anand | stew: lsmod | grep i810 shows i810 and drm |
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| 19:58.45 | Wyzard | vovo: oh... I guess GNU netcat is that one I've seen in Fedora that doesn't support the -q option |
| 19:58.53 | anand | Wyzard: how do I configure i810 in xorg.conf ? |
| 19:59.01 | FordCortina | i was wondering... if a driver is released under a BSD style license does that mean it cannot be integerated into the linux kernel? |
| 19:59.03 | vovo | GNU netcat has a -V option that prints the GNU notice and version |
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| 19:59.17 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 19:59.20 | anand | Wyzard: ive been following http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/a-guide-enabling-3d-acceleration-in-x11-402003/ |
| 19:59.20 | Wyzard | anand: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:59.26 | Wyzard | anand: and pick i810 as the driver |
| 19:59.29 | stew | vovo: it appears that gnu netcat is not available in debian |
| 19:59.32 | valdyn | FordCortina: no |
| 19:59.46 | Strider22 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 19:59.49 | Wyzard | anand: Slackware is not Debian |
| 20:00.20 | Wyzard | anand: and that guide is nearly two years old anyway |
| 20:00.22 | stew | anand: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:00.22 | zwerg | I just set up a fresh debian sid and xserver-xorg fails to configure as described in bug 448863 |
| 20:00.27 | code_ | hi, after netinstall testing, i reboot and after uncomressing linux ... ok, booting the kernel i get : ide0 I/Oresource 0x3F6-0x3F6not free ports already in use, skipping probe. there it freezez |
| 20:00.46 | FordCortina | valdyn: i thought GPL requires that you have to distribute the source (and source only). the notices of BSD are incompatible with GPL aren't they? |
| 20:00.55 | vovo | can I package gnu netcat and submit to Debian? |
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| 20:01.08 | code_ | after some time it goes into busybox |
| 20:01.12 | zwerg | Any hints if the solution pointed out there wouldn't work? |
| 20:01.15 | anand | Wyzard: slackware is not debian > :-) i know.. i thought it might point something out |
| 20:01.20 | vovo | would Debian like to have it? if so, what name should I give to the package and what name to the program? 'nc' is already used for the non-gnu netcat. |
| 20:01.26 | Wyzard | vovo: Sure, you could make a package like gnu-netcat or something |
| 20:01.33 | Wyzard | vovo: but what's wrong with the existing netcat package? |
| 20:01.34 | stew | zwerg: what version of xserver-xorg do you have installed? |
| 20:01.38 | keith4 | how do I send email to a local user on the same box, to test nullmailer |
| 20:01.42 | zwerg | 7.3+3 |
| 20:01.47 | vovo | Wyzard: there are more options in gnu-netcat |
| 20:01.51 | valdyn | FordCortina: gpl requires that you distribute the source whereas bsd requires to keep the license text if you distribute the source. That's not really contradicting |
| 20:02.01 | stew | zwerg: right, so you don't have the fixed package yet |
| 20:02.09 | stew | zwerg: it says it was fixed in 7.3+4 |
| 20:02.24 | zwerg | Yeah, but there is no |
| 20:02.34 | zwerg | +4 yet is there? |
| 20:02.37 | stew | zwerg: it will be there after the mirror pulse |
| 20:02.39 | Wyzard | vovo: The alternatives system could be used to select between the two netcat implementations, with cooperation from the netcat package maintainer |
| 20:02.45 | stew | zwerg: there is a +4 |
| 20:02.45 | Wyzard | vovo: There's also netcat6, btw |
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| 20:03.01 | anand | Wyzard: in the modules page, do i choose every thing or just glx and dri ? |
| 20:03.18 | Wyzard | keith4: I know nothing about nullmailer, but couldn't you just use something like mutt to write mail to user@localhost? |
| 20:03.31 | Wyzard | anand: Go with the defaults |
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| 20:03.59 | vovo | I think a different gnu-netcat would be good if someone would like to have both netcats |
| 20:04.13 | valdyn | FordCortina: integrating gpl code with bsd code requires the whole thing to follow the gpl mantra that binary only distribution is not permitted |
| 20:05.00 | valdyn | FordCortina: and bsd sais nowhere that distributing code is not permitted |
| 20:05.17 | zwerg | stew: Is there a mirror which has it? |
| 20:05.27 | anand | Wyzard: do I just restart X or should I give it a reboot ? |
| 20:05.38 | wols | anand: restart |
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| 20:05.46 | anand | ok. ttfn |
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| 20:05.50 | Wyzard | anand: restart X |
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| 20:07.05 | stew | zwerg: i don't know, i would guess so |
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| 20:07.38 | stew | FordCortina: there are multiple BSD styles licenses, some are GPL compatible and some arent |
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| 20:08.22 | valdyn | like whatever xfree86 used |
| 20:09.10 | zwerg | stew: They say because of ftp-master problems this might be not the case. So I tried the template-fix which didn't work. |
| 20:09.39 | FordCortina | stew: valdyn: thanks! |
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| 20:10.13 | reisener | hello is it possible to mount an ufs2 filesystem under Debian ???? |
| 20:10.21 | anand | Wyzard: hello again. glxinfo | grep direct still says "direct Rendering: no" |
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| 20:10.55 | Wyzard | reisener: http://ufs-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:11.07 | Wyzard | reisener: First result in a Google search for "Linux UFS2" |
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| 20:12.12 | Wyzard | anand: direct rendering is a separate issue from using the i810 driver in the first place |
| 20:12.12 | reisener | Wyzard: thx |
| 20:12.45 | smacnay | My usb card reader seems not to be detected on boot now. It was working fine until now. Where do I start to look for clues. This is a floppy drive + card reader buuilt in the machine. |
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| 20:13.07 | reisener | and shame on me ^^ |
| 20:13.44 | anand | Wyzard: sorry. i must be mixing up the two.. how do i check if my 3d acceleration is enabled now or not ? |
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| 20:14.26 | Wyzard | anand: First of all, be sure that you're actually using the i180 driver |
| 20:14.43 | Wyzard | anand: Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and you should see some lines beginning with "I810" or "i810" |
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| 20:16.10 | anand | Wyzard: Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i810_drv.so |
| 20:17.11 | Wyzard | anand: What actual video chip do you have? (There are multiple chips supported by the i810 driver) |
| 20:17.11 | anand | Wyzard: there are 4 lines that say i810 |
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| 20:17.28 | anand | Wyzard: i910 intel extreme |
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| 20:18.11 | tombs | Maulkin: thats something: http://www.debian.org/ports/#released |
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| 20:19.53 | cusco | anand: glxinfo|grep direct |
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| 20:20.14 | sdrowkcab | hello |
| 20:20.20 | cusco | hello |
| 20:20.21 | anand | cusco: direct rendering: no |
| 20:20.24 | sdrowkcab | can someone help me with hamachi? |
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| 20:21.02 | cusco | anand: so did you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 20:21.53 | anand | cusco: yes |
| 20:21.54 | Wyzard | anand: I'm looking around with Google and it seems there may be an actual i910 driver |
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| 20:22.40 | anand | Wyzard: to be honest. i never googled for an i910 driver. silly me. thanks for pointing that out. |
| 20:22.42 | methods | if i have no dhcp configured interfaces why would dhcp daemon still run ? and why if i have my eth0 configured statically would dhcp still attach it self randomly and change my eth0 ip ? |
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| 20:23.09 | Wyzard | anand: I'm not certain that there is one; it's mentioned in some Google results but I don't see anything conclusive-looking |
| 20:23.19 | mogra | that the 910 Express? |
| 20:23.40 | stew | methods: if you don't have any interfaces configured as dhcp then dhclient shouldn't be running. if you have one configured as dhcp, then switch it to static, there is nothing that would kill the already running dhcp daemon |
| 20:23.42 | anand | mogra: i910 intel extreme is the one that I have. |
| 20:24.06 | methods | http://pastie.caboo.se/116988 |
| 20:24.08 | mogra | anand: do you have a specific model number? usually they have like Intel 82810 |
| 20:24.11 | methods | interfaces^^ |
| 20:24.30 | anand | mogra: how do I check that from inside debian ? |
| 20:24.44 | mogra | mayhaps lspci |
| 20:25.12 | Wyzard | anand: You're running etch, I assume? |
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| 20:25.47 | stew | methods: there is no reason to specify network and broadcast, btw |
| 20:25.48 | anand | mogra: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:25.50 | anand | Wyzard: yes |
| 20:25.59 | Wyzard | anand: The newest Intel driver that seems to be in etch is the xserver-xorg-video-i810 package, which contains an "i810" driver (that's i810_drv.so) that's "for the Intel i8xx and i9xx family of chipsets, including i810, i815, i830, i845, i855, i865, i915, and i945 series chips" |
| 20:26.06 | stew | anand: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:26.16 | mogra | laptop/desktop? |
| 20:26.19 | anand | stew: etch |
| 20:26.23 | anand | mogra: laptop |
| 20:26.24 | stew | more recent x servers have both i810 and i915 combined into a intel driver |
| 20:26.25 | stew | but not in etch |
| 20:26.27 | Wyzard | anand: newer versions of xorg (i.e. in unstable) have a separate driver for i915, but I'm not sure where i910 fits in |
| 20:26.46 | aindilis | I'm looking for Debian users in the Chicago area to hang out with. Any leads? |
| 20:26.49 | Wyzard | stew: the "i915" driver became the "intel" driver, but there's still a separate "i810" driver |
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| 20:27.03 | mogra | anand: Intel Corp has a Linux Driver for that |
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| 20:27.39 | mogra | http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=1862&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21 |
| 20:28.07 | anand | mogra: you mean a specific driver for i910 ? |
| 20:28.16 | mogra | That's what intel.com says |
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| 20:28.41 | mogra | they are about as good as Nvidia for Linux support. IN fact, Torvalds recommends Intel. |
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| 20:28.58 | anand | mogra: thats good to hear |
| 20:29.07 | stew | they are better than nvidia for linux support |
| 20:29.20 | mogra | :3 something like that, stew |
| 20:29.28 | Wyzard | mogra: That driver is filed under 915/910, but the name of the driver is "Intel® Graphics Drivers for Linux" |
| 20:29.37 | Trewas | bot i810 and the newer intel driver work fine with 915GM |
| 20:29.39 | Wyzard | mogra: I suspect it's the same intel driver that's already part of xorg |
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| 20:29.46 | Trewas | *both |
| 20:29.54 | enouf | hi guys, i'm compiling a custom kernel using the "kp mantra" (minus the -hostname part only). I'm using vanilla sources (kernel.org) + using a speakup patch (2.0 from linux-speakup.org), + make-kpkg (kp mantra).. i have an error about the time it gets to compiling the speakup stuff .. my question is, is there a way i can make make-kpkg jump to anywhere far down into the compile, so i don't wait 30 min to hit the error? |
| 20:29.55 | mogra | Wyzard: perhaps |
| 20:29.55 | Wyzard | mogra: I never needed to download any driver from Intel for the i815 in my laptop |
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| 20:30.19 | tabularasa | anybody have a good doc on installing Dell's OpenManage on Debian ? |
| 20:30.25 | stew | i'm using the intel driver with the exact same card, but never tried running etch on it |
| 20:30.27 | mogra | Wyzard: you tried a 915? It obviously <i>works</i> for him, just no direct rendering |
| 20:30.47 | zwerg | stew: Do you know, when the 7.3+4-package is uploaded to the ftps? |
| 20:30.51 | Wyzard | yeah, the 2D portion of the driver is working |
| 20:31.07 | mogra | what's to say that's the same driver, is all. |
| 20:31.09 | enouf | I'm on lenny/sid mix right now but using a 2.6.16 kernel (my box) .. the compile is going on in another separate HDD (same system) and i'm using 2.6.23.1 sources |
| 20:31.16 | stew | zwerg: 8 days ago |
| 20:31.23 | Wyzard | I just found http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-273746.html which is someone asking about 3D support on i910 |
| 20:31.30 | mogra | afterall, nv and Nvidia are two different, and radeon and fglrx are different |
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| 20:31.49 | zwerg | stew: So they should have arrived right now? |
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| 20:32.01 | Wyzard | mogra: because the Intel driver distributed by xorg is Intel's own open-source driver, not a reverse-engineered third-party one |
| 20:32.03 | stew | zwerg: not necessarily, becuase ftp-master was down |
| 20:32.06 | anand | Wyzard: im downloading that driver. with the drm and agpgart support. |
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| 20:32.34 | Wyzard | anand: xorg's i810 driver already has DRM and AGPGART support |
| 20:32.37 | mogra | the one linked there might be "newer" |
| 20:32.42 | jelly-home | anand: your card ought to work with the kernel and drivers in debian |
| 20:32.49 | Wyzard | anand: When you were asking about which modules to enable in the xorg configuration, was the "glx" module enabled? |
| 20:32.56 | stew | oh, it looks like mine doesn't have direct rendering, but i never had noticed |
| 20:33.05 | anand | Wyzard: yes |
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| 20:33.23 | dryrot | will pidgin make it into official debian etch, or do i have to wait for the next release ? |
| 20:33.23 | Wyzard | anand: pastebin your entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:33.34 | jelly-home | mine currently has direct rendering, but Xvideo is somewhat broken |
| 20:33.36 | anand | Wyzard: i had enabled bitmap, ddc, dri, glx, v4l, dbe |
| 20:33.39 | stew | dryrot: nothing new will make it into the official debian etch |
| 20:33.44 | zwerg | stew: But you don't know any mirror which should have the pkg right now? |
| 20:33.52 | mogra | jelly-home: what card, i915 mobile? |
| 20:33.59 | jelly-home | mogra: i915GM |
| 20:34.02 | stew | zwerg: i don't know |
| 20:34.12 | mogra | lenny or etch? |
| 20:34.18 | anand | ok |
| 20:34.24 | anand | just a sec |
| 20:34.29 | enouf | does the 915resolution pkg fit anywhere into your issue? |
| 20:34.34 | mogra | ^to jelly-home |
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| 20:34.47 | jelly-home | mogra: what? |
| 20:35.05 | mogra | lenny or etch? |
| 20:35.24 | Wyzard | I never needed 915resolution on my widescreen laptop |
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| 20:35.34 | zwerg | stew: Last questions: Is ftp-master up again and when should I expect the packages to be pulsed? |
| 20:35.35 | jelly-home | mogra: lenny. But it worked on testing before etch was released |
| 20:35.40 | Wyzard | I just specified 1280x800 in xorg.conf and it worked |
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| 20:35.47 | anand | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/md4705d1 |
| 20:35.48 | enouf | Wyzard: really? , cool |
| 20:35.53 | Wyzard | zwerg: yes, and on the regular schedule |
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| 20:36.03 | jelly-home | Wyzard: Z60m seems to have a very nice VESA BIOS that just works and has all the required modes |
| 20:36.10 | enouf | Wyzard: etch versions? |
| 20:36.29 | Wyzard | enouf: As I understand it, it's up to the vendor what modes to include in the VESA BIOS, and mine has a built-in 1280x800 mode |
| 20:36.31 | mogra | well, that might be the big difference, he might have to backport. |
| 20:36.33 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yep |
| 20:36.34 | zwerg | Wyzard: Which means in days from now? :) |
| 20:36.44 | enouf | Wyzard: i see .. hrm |
| 20:36.55 | jelly-home | Wyzard: you can use 1280x800 in vesafb or intelfb, too |
| 20:36.57 | Wyzard | jelly-home: except the VESA mode for a 1280x800x24bpp framebuffer console yields a corrupted display |
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| 20:37.00 | DawnLight | wish there were more people backporting stuff. is there a backporting howto? |
| 20:37.01 | Wyzard | jelly-home: 16bpp works fine though |
| 20:37.25 | DawnLight | but i don't even know how to package normaly |
| 20:37.29 | jelly-home | Wyzard: oh, never tried that :-) more bpp means slower console |
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| 20:37.49 | jelly-home | Wyzard: and you probably meant 32bpp (24 bit color depth) |
| 20:38.09 | stew | zwerg: ftp-master is up again. pulse is happening now. i don't know if the package will need to be reuploaded. when it is available might depend on what arch you are waiting for. looks like it was originally uploaded on i386 |
| 20:38.11 | Wyzard | anand: According to your Xorg.0.log, your GPU is detected as a 915GM |
| 20:38.35 | stew | zwerg: if this is a problem specific to 7.3, why not use 7.2? or try an older 7.3? |
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| 20:38.49 | enouf | DawnLight: you could start by doing /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage .. and reading the debian reference and manuals |
| 20:39.00 | anand | Wyzard: ok. then why does glxinfo say its i910 ? |
| 20:39.10 | anand | i know its i910 |
| 20:39.12 | enouf | and man pages, and docs in /usr/share/doc/* |
| 20:39.24 | Wyzard | jelly-home: vga=874 vs. vga=875 |
| 20:39.54 | mogra | anand, your lspci said 915 |
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| 20:40.14 | enouf | DawnLight: know this, on debian ,you need the pkg build-essential and any -dev pkgs to build stuff |
| 20:40.23 | Wyzard | 910 might be a minor variant of the 915 |
| 20:40.49 | enouf | DawnLight: man apt-get , find build-deps as well |
| 20:41.08 | mogra | Wyzard: probably opposite |
| 20:41.16 | mogra | 915 variant of 910 |
| 20:41.32 | Wyzard | well, the 915 seems to be much more common than the 910 |
| 20:41.34 | enouf | DawnLight: and last, but not least, there's a mentors mailing list and perhaps a channel too (not sure of the later) |
| 20:41.47 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I prefer hex. :-) vga=0x36A (= 874) |
| 20:41.50 | Wyzard | and etch's i810 driver explicitly says it supports the 915, but doesn't mention the 910 at all |
| 20:41.54 | simonrvn | oftc, #debian-mentors |
| 20:42.03 | DawnLight | enouf: ooh where's the list? |
| 20:42.05 | enouf | jelly-home: heh |
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| 20:42.08 | DawnLight | ah |
| 20:42.09 | anand | Wyzard: maybe thats why its picks it up as i915 ? |
| 20:42.12 | mogra | if this isn't resolved for anand, this is something I will be calling my uncle at Intel about. He's into this sort of deving. |
| 20:42.19 | anand | Wyzard: i wouldnt know |
| 20:42.41 | enouf | DawnLight: /msg dpkg oftc |
| 20:42.51 | Wyzard | anand: yeah, I'm wondering if the 910 is newer, like a stripped-down version of the 915 or something, that didn't exist yet when etch's version of xorg was released, so the driver doesn't know about it by name |
| 20:42.51 | enouf | and as simonrvn pointed out |
| 20:42.55 | anand | mogra: cool. |
| 20:42.58 | simonrvn | jelly-home, Wyzard: what do you read to find out what those means (the vga=XXX things)? |
| 20:43.07 | jelly-home | enouf: hex numbers didn't work before for vga= modes... so many still use decimal |
| 20:43.08 | simonrvn | mean |
| 20:43.26 | Wyzard | simonrvn: They're arbitrary mode numbers specific to a particular machine's VESA BIOS |
| 20:43.29 | mogra | Wyzard: that sounds like a decent guess |
| 20:43.34 | simonrvn | oh |
| 20:43.36 | anand | i have a celeron M processor, and as far as my knowledge goes i910 is built for that processor |
| 20:43.37 | jelly-home | simonrvn: there's an app that reads modes from VESA BIOS |
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| 20:43.43 | enouf | jelly-home: ahh .. right, odd how the tables in the tldp.org Framebuffer howto use hex |
| 20:43.44 | mogra | I still say, try the driver on their site |
| 20:43.59 | stew | simonrvn: hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 20:44.00 | jelly-home | enouf: because the numbers make more sense in hex |
| 20:44.05 | simonrvn | fuck. jelly-home: what's it called? |
| 20:44.15 | anand | mogra: i downloaded the driver.. how do i load it ? |
| 20:44.21 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Some of them are semi-standard -- they were standardized numbers in VESA 1.x, but VESA 2.x doesn't require any particular modes or numbers; implementations are expected to look at the BIOS mode list and figure out the right number |
| 20:44.21 | mogra | Usually, when dealing with 3D rendering issues in any card, get the newest driver |
| 20:44.32 | enouf | jelly-home: i guess .. |
| 20:44.34 | mogra | what kind of file is it? |
| 20:44.34 | Wyzard | simonrvn: but the legacy 1.x modes are often supported with the same numbers anyway |
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| 20:44.41 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 20:44.53 | simonrvn | thanks people |
| 20:45.03 | fedya | my install is asking me if i want to continue without a valid swap partition? something about uswsusp |
| 20:45.21 | Wyzard | simonrvn: anyway, take a look at anand's Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/md4705d1 and scroll down to line 484 |
| 20:45.32 | Wyzard | simonrvn: That's a full dump of all the supported VESA modes on that machine |
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| 20:46.16 | anand | mogra: tar.gz |
| 20:46.17 | jelly-home | simonrvn: hm, xresprobe maybe. I used 915resolution, but that's specific to intel cards i915 and newer |
| 20:46.18 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Once upon a time I got that output from the i915 driver on my own laptop (I'm not sure exactly how, since it doesn't happen anymore), and that's how I got the VESA mode number for 1280x800 on that particular machine |
| 20:46.50 | anand | mogra: ./configure, make install ? |
| 20:46.52 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I don't know how to get a VESA mode listing on other types of video cards, though -- these are just some diagnostic messages printed by one particular xorg driver |
| 20:47.04 | jelly-home | Wyzard: Ah. I found some guy's with Z60t vga= for 1280x768, and tried more numbers around that value :-) |
| 20:47.12 | fedya | what does that mean exactly? |
| 20:47.12 | mogra | ./configure && make && make install |
| 20:47.14 | Wyzard | fedya: How much RAM do you have? |
| 20:47.34 | Wyzard | fedya: uswsusp is suspend-to-disk, aka "hibernate" for a laptop |
| 20:47.40 | enouf | Would anyone/everyone here consider "apt-mirror" as their choice to use as a small mirroring tool? Does it have any outstanding bugs offhand? i will check bugs.debian.org shortly |
| 20:47.42 | simonrvn | would be nice if it were more standardised |
| 20:47.48 | Wyzard | fedya: It won't work without a swap partition, but that only matters if you intend to use that feature |
| 20:47.54 | anand | mogra: i just unpacked it... it has a install.sh script |
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| 20:48.00 | zythmer | DawnLight: When I build debian packages (not a DD), I use pbuilder. It creates a chroot environment where you can nail down dependencies without having your environment interfere. It's also nice to be able to build and install in a chroot rather than accidentally doing something to your machine. |
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| 20:48.21 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Well, rather than hard-coding mode numbers, I think the idea is that an implementation should look at the mode list on the machine where it's running, and look up the number for the desired resolution and depth |
| 20:48.23 | enouf | if not apt-mirror, any others you can recommend? |
| 20:48.31 | mogra | :) |
| 20:48.45 | Wyzard | simonrvn: It's just that the Linux vesafb driver requires a mode number |
| 20:48.58 | mogra | let me know if that works, it <i>should</i> do a dependancy check properly first. |
| 20:49.34 | Wyzard | simonrvn: There's a "vesafb-tng" driver available which lets you specify the desired resolution, like "vga=1024x768x24" or something like that, and it looks up the appropriate VESA mode to accomplish it |
| 20:49.43 | jelly-home | simonrvn: some generic modes are defacto standardized, almost any card I've seen has same modes for 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 at 8, 16, 24bpp. They're listed in kernel's Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 20:49.47 | fedya | i have 512 or a gig im not sure at the moment |
| 20:49.47 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I'm not sure why that hasn't been incorporated into the standard kernel |
| 20:49.56 | drbair_work | enouf: do you really need to mirror? I usually proxy |
| 20:49.56 | Pricey | !ops | Lady is a turkish spammer. |
| 20:49.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pricey complains about: | Lady is a turkish spammer. |
| 20:50.04 | fedya | but i think it made a swap, but for some reason its saying theres no swap |
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| 20:50.32 | enouf | drbair_work: i'm asking on another's behalf, and i would suppose so - but maybe i'll tell them to /join and ask themselves |
| 20:50.50 | jelly-home | Lady: tramp. |
| 20:50.56 | anand | mogra: it didnt work. http://pastebin.com/m26b0ee87 |
| 20:51.06 | PriceChild | ty |
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| 20:51.17 | mogra | no kernel config file, it says. |
| 20:51.24 | jelly-home | Wyzard: too bad vesafb doesn't actually go and look up available modes. |
| 20:51.26 | anand | mogra: what to do ? |
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| 20:51.38 | tiny_ | enouf: ? |
| 20:51.41 | enouf | drbair_work: i would imagine their mirror might contain custom .debs in their repos |
| 20:51.42 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's what vesafb-tng does |
| 20:51.45 | enouf | tiny_: gracias |
| 20:51.56 | simonrvn | Wyzard, jelly-home: thanks. as to that vesafb-ng, probably has to do with porting it forward a bit more - some kernel stuff changed recently (again) |
| 20:52.04 | drbair_work | enouf: usually the proxy option is the best road... chances are you'll never use half of the packages in debian. They could just add a second repo to take care of the customs. |
| 20:52.22 | mogra | Have you installed the kernel source package? |
| 20:52.34 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Well, vesafb-tng isn't exactly a new thing -- Gentoo has included it in their patched kernel sources for years |
| 20:52.39 | enouf | tiny_: explain what you need please ,as drbair_work seems to have soime info for ya |
| 20:52.40 | Wyzard | simonrvn: but I've never seen it anywhere besides Gentoo |
| 20:52.47 | tiny_ | enouf: no proxyes ... the reason I'm mirroring is this box will be withouth net ... freezed |
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| 20:52.51 | jelly-home | Wyzard: and that's why I use intelfb (even though xorg guys told me it sucks) |
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| 20:53.06 | enouf | drbair_work: getting this? from tiny_ ? thatnks |
| 20:53.10 | drbair_work | tiny_: then mirror it is! |
| 20:53.15 | enouf | thanks* |
| 20:53.17 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Doesn't intelfb need mode numbers (rather than just specifying a resolution and depth) too? |
| 20:53.20 | mogra | !tell anand about kernel source |
| 20:53.23 | tiny_ | drbair_work: ok ... how? apt-mirror fails |
| 20:53.35 | enouf | tiny_: how and where and when |
| 20:53.35 | jelly-home | Wyzard: it does. but it's accelerated |
| 20:53.41 | mogra | anand: obviously change it to your kernel version if that's not the same |
| 20:53.47 | simonrvn | i'm using vesafb until i can figure out nvidiafb |
| 20:53.50 | Wyzard | anand: Actually, what you need is kernel header, not kernel source |
| 20:53.59 | Wyzard | anand: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 20:54.03 | tiny_ | drbair_work: did enouf told showed you the ouptut? http://rafb.net/p/GyUlF497.html |
| 20:54.05 | mogra | Wyzard: thx for catching that *hits head* |
| 20:54.14 | simonrvn | then i'll flip the [*] [M] for them |
| 20:54.26 | enouf | tiny_: apologies, i missed your paste , sorry |
| 20:54.38 | Wyzard | anand: and do an apt-get upgrade, because your kernel is out-of-date, and you need the current one that matches the headers that linux-headers-2.6-686 will install |
| 20:55.14 | anand | Wyzard: ok |
| 20:55.18 | mogra | you know, kernel being out of date might be the entire problem, too. |
| 20:55.22 | enouf | tiny_: is that triple / ok in there? ftp.belnet.be/debian///dists/etch/main/binary- |
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| 20:55.42 | Wyzard | mogra: no, it's just 2.6.18-4-686 vs. 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 20:55.44 | tiny_ | enouf: yeah ... I figured that might be the problem. I'll try to fix that script |
| 20:55.50 | Wyzard | mogra: The only difference is some security fixes |
| 20:55.55 | mogra | Wyzard: ah |
| 20:56.08 | enouf | tiny_: seems to be, it's not locating that dir .. from a busted path, likely? |
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| 20:56.15 | drbair_work | tiny_: seems like its not picking up the arch |
| 20:56.29 | drbair_work | tiny_: it should be binary-amd64 or binary-yourarch |
| 20:56.33 | tiny_ | drbair_work: good catch |
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| 20:56.48 | Wyzard | jelly-home: At least intelfb doesn't conflict with xorg... nvidiafb does :-( |
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| 20:57.09 | jelly-home | Wyzard: _that's_ funny. |
| 20:57.09 | drbair_work | tiny_: maybe try setting the defaultarch in the config... although I'm not sure why it wouldn't pick it up on its own |
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| 20:57.23 | simonrvn | my nvidia x driver conflicts with rivafb |
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| 20:57.40 | Wyzard | jelly-home: have to use vesafb or X won't start |
| 20:57.40 | tiny_ | drbair_work: because it needs a config file which I changed a bit ... although I didn't touched the arch line |
| 20:57.55 | jelly-home | Wyzard: well, my next machine might even have a discrete ati card, if they keep up with the open-source promise |
| 20:57.58 | simonrvn | Wyzard: does it with nvidiafb too? |
| 20:58.04 | enouf | simonrvn: eww.. rivafb? hrm .. i have a riva tnt2 card here |
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| 20:58.19 | simonrvn | enouf: yeh, that's what it is |
| 20:58.20 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I haven't tried it recently, but I believe so |
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| 20:58.38 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yeah, I've been thinking the same thing |
| 20:58.39 | simonrvn | 00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems TGUI 9660/938x/968x (rev d3) |
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| 20:58.43 | simonrvn | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 15) |
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| 20:58.48 | mirak | hello |
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| 20:58.53 | mogra | jelly-home: personally, I do hope the upcoming ATI driver puts AIGLX back in properly. |
| 20:58.57 | jelly-home | Wyzard: apparently cards that use shared memory slow down normal memory usage (makes lot of sense) |
| 20:58.59 | anand | Wyzard: how long should an apt-get upgrade take ? I have a 128kbps line you know. |
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| 20:59.12 | enouf | simonrvn: i have from lshal | grep driver vesafb and agpgart-intel |
| 20:59.16 | Wyzard | jelly-home: though they do say that fglrx will continue to be the high-performance driver; they're not discontinuing it in favor of the free one |
| 20:59.18 | tiny_ | drbair_work: ok ... i think it'll run now. I uncommented this line #set defaultarch <running host architecture> |
| 20:59.31 | mirak | if I do a backup of a partition with dd if=/dev/sda2, will it be possible to loop mount it ? |
| 20:59.34 | enouf | and PIIX_IDE |
| 20:59.35 | jelly-home | mogra: 8.42.3 shows AIGLX in the log on an xpress200 for me |
| 20:59.42 | enouf | but that shouldn't matter |
| 20:59.43 | tiny_ | drbair_work: when uncommented it didn't worked. That what I ment. |
| 20:59.45 | Wyzard | anand: depends on how much needs to be updated, but it shouldn't be a lot since you're running stable and that only gets small updates for security fixes |
| 20:59.51 | simonrvn | xingu: what's that? |
| 20:59.52 | tiny_ | drbair_work, enouf thanx for help! |
| 20:59.53 | stew | mirak: yes |
| 21:00.03 | anand | Wyzard: ok. 3.4mb. that shouldnt take too long |
| 21:00.05 | Wyzard | anand: so it should be a few megabytes, *maybe* a few tens of megabytes |
| 21:00.07 | enouf | tiny_: you fixed it? cool |
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| 21:00.21 | tiny_ | enouf: yes .. stupid mistake od config file |
| 21:00.24 | mogra | jelly-home: does compiz-fusion run on it? |
| 21:00.25 | mirak | stew: ok I see it's easier than a hard drive image in fact |
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| 21:00.39 | jelly-home | mogra: didn't get it to run :-) |
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| 21:00.50 | xingu | simonrvn: those t96xx'en are getting on a bit ;) |
| 21:00.51 | mogra | jelly-home: me either |
| 21:01.07 | mirak | stew: hum is it easy like just doing a mount file.img mpoint/ ??? |
| 21:01.09 | xingu | simonrvn: I've got an et3000 in a shed somewhere half a world a way too :) |
| 21:01.17 | mogra | anand: shouldn't be long, but don't know how many updates you are missing ;) |
| 21:01.20 | simonrvn | xingu: yeh, i plan on running a second monitor on it, for gimp tools and such things |
| 21:01.22 | stew | mirak: mount -o loop file.img /mount/point |
| 21:01.36 | mirak | stew: will I be able to write in it ? |
| 21:01.50 | simonrvn | gimme some more space.... 1024x768 is small ffs. didn't used to be... |
| 21:02.01 | stew | mirak: yes |
| 21:02.27 | Wyzard | mirak: Keep in mind that if the partition is mounted when you do the dd backup, it'll need journal recovery and may be inconsistent internally, like what happens when you turn off the power without doing a clean shutdown |
| 21:02.48 | enouf | drbair_work: thanks from me too |
| 21:02.54 | jelly-home | simonrvn: that's why I bought a widescreen laptop. 1024x768 just didn't cut it. (and pixel smaller than 96dpi are useless to my myopic eyes) |
| 21:02.57 | simonrvn | it's sad when a decent res. is too small for normal stuff. "gotta have it bigger, faster!!!11".... lame |
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| 21:03.20 | mirak | Wyzard: it will not be mounted. I guess anyway I could remount readonly to do that isn't it ? |
| 21:03.32 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yeh, i have that too, plus astigmatism, so far away i have to wear glasses |
| 21:03.35 | Wyzard | mirak: yes, read-only would be fine |
| 21:03.35 | anand | Wyzard: looks like i made a mistake reading the line... it needs to fetch 263mb it says |
| 21:03.43 | mirak | Wyzard: I wonder if I shouldn't do a tar instead |
| 21:03.49 | Wyzard | anand: I'm surprised if it's that much |
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| 21:04.03 | kombi | christ, where do I look up supported hardware? this is the slowest install I have ever witnessed.. |
| 21:04.20 | anand | yeah... this is going to take a loong time... anyway to do it with the current kernel ? |
| 21:04.23 | Wyzard | anand: if you want, you can do "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686" to upgrade just that package (it's already installed, but this will install the latest version), and do the rest some other time |
| 21:04.24 | anand | ive got the source now |
| 21:04.40 | Wyzard | anand: you don't need a linux-source package at all |
| 21:05.03 | mogra | yea, I had the wrong package, me bads. you need the linux-headers |
| 21:05.07 | Wyzard | anand: linux-source is for recompiling the entire kernel; linux-headers is for compiling third-party modules against an existing kernel |
| 21:05.10 | xingu | simonrvn: unfortunately, now that the geniuses have worked out edid->dpi->font scaling, more dots no longer equals more real-estate |
| 21:05.26 | anand | Wyzard: 16.8 mb |
| 21:05.34 | xingu | simonrvn: you just get more dots in each glyph, they stay the same damn physical size |
| 21:05.35 | anand | Wyzard: this is tolerable. :-P |
| 21:05.38 | Wyzard | anand: That's not so bad |
| 21:05.52 | Wyzard | xingu: and I'm glad for it, because that's the way it's supposed to be |
| 21:06.01 | kombi | something must be completely wrong in that box.. |
| 21:06.13 | Wyzard | xingu: except GDM still puts a "-dpi 96" on the X server's command line, that I have to remove manually so it'll use the real DPI instead |
| 21:06.21 | simonrvn | xingu: i do it the old fashioned way still, old 17" mac monitor |
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| 21:06.39 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yeh, i do too |
| 21:07.45 | mirak | is it possible to set compression rate with tar ? |
| 21:07.45 | simonrvn | i also put in vt 7 |
| 21:07.45 | Wyzard | One disadvantage in moving to "real" DPI settings is that assumptions about, say, a 16x16-pixel icon being roughly the same height as a line of text may not hold true anymore |
| 21:07.45 | simonrvn | mirak: tar doesn't compress |
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| 21:07.53 | oKtosiTe | I have installed Debian on an encrypted partition which I now wish to resize. I don't know how to though... Anyone? |
| 21:07.58 | Wyzard | It'd be nice if we could specify font size as either device-independent points, or device-dependent pixels |
| 21:08.11 | mirak | simonrvn: ok but in the form tar -cvzf I don't see a way to set compression rate of gzip |
| 21:08.14 | Wyzard | so you could just set the line of text to be 16 pixels tall, regardless of the DPI |
| 21:08.43 | simonrvn | mirak: don't call gzip and pass it through to | gzip -9 or something |
| 21:08.57 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 21:09.03 | mirak | ok |
| 21:09.30 | Wyzard | mirak: What simonrvn means by "don't call gzip" is "don't use tar's -z option" |
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| 21:10.57 | Golumn | may someone tell me the difference between top and free command? |
| 21:11.07 | Golumn | top output 348mb free mb. |
| 21:11.22 | Golumn | and free output 795mb free mb. |
| 21:11.23 | Wyzard | Golumn: top tells you primarily about processes, and just mentions free memory as an aside |
| 21:11.38 | Wyzard | Golumn: "htop" is nicer than top, btw |
| 21:11.38 | h2 | I have a problem with this error in scripts that drop users into a different runlevel with init command: bash: no job control in this shell |
| 21:11.39 | stew | Golumn: how much is listed as "buffers"? about 400mb? |
| 21:11.50 | Golumn | 548mb |
| 21:11.54 | h2 | this is an etch based install |
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| 21:12.12 | Wyzard | Golumn: The counts reported by top correspond to those on the first line of "free" |
| 21:12.21 | Wyzard | Golumn: but the numbers on the second line of "free" are often more meaningful |
| 21:12.35 | h2 | How do I add job control in the root shell? in /etc/passwd, root has /bin/bash as his shell |
| 21:13.01 | Golumn | so I rather uses free to know my free memory instead of top |
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| 21:13.13 | Wyzard | h2: job control should be enabled automatically, even for root |
| 21:13.15 | stew | Golumn: memory in buffers is memory that is not being used by applications, so linux is temporarily using it for disk cache in order to speed up redundant disk access. if it is needed by an appliaction it can be reclaimed immediately so in some sense it can still be thought of as free memory |
| 21:13.24 | h2 | Wyzard: yes, that was my thought too |
| 21:13.25 | Wyzard | h2: Have you done something weird with root's ~/.bashrc or something? |
| 21:13.33 | h2 | let me double check the .bashrc |
| 21:13.36 | stew | Golumn: or just make a mental note to count the stuff listed in 'buffers' in top as free |
| 21:13.50 | Golumn | [stew] so I should add buffer to the free memory |
| 21:13.53 | mirak | Wyzard: tar -cvv linux2/ | gzip -1 /home/fedora.tar.gz seems something is not good |
| 21:14.02 | Wyzard | Golumn: yes, basically |
| 21:14.24 | Wyzard | miracle2k: You need a '>' before the filename |
| 21:14.26 | Golumn | thanks all, I didn't know that stuff |
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| 21:14.37 | mirak | ok |
| 21:14.41 | Golumn | I was scare with the amount of memory an application was consuming |
| 21:14.52 | Wyzard | miracle2k: because you want to take gzip's output and put it into that file, not tell gzip to read from that file (it doesn't even exist yet) and compress it |
| 21:15.02 | stew | Golumn: buffered and cached |
| 21:15.14 | h2 | Wyzard: not that I can see |
| 21:15.33 | rubymonk | Am I right thinking this command will get the benefits of the software "approx" ? debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /mnt/buildroot http://localhost:9999/ |
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| 21:16.58 | Wyzard | hmm, I hadn't heard of "approx" before... apparently it's another apt proxy |
| 21:16.59 | drasko | Hi all. For apt-get update I keep getting message similar to following: Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 21:17.06 | Wyzard | Are apt-cacher and apt-proxy both deprecated now? |
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| 21:17.19 | Wyzard | drasko: There is no non-us archive anymore |
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| 21:17.24 | Wyzard | drasko: it was merged into the main archive |
| 21:17.38 | drasko | Wyzard, thanks |
| 21:17.45 | Wyzard | drasko: over a year ago |
| 21:17.51 | anand | Wyzard: after this completes and I reboot, what would be my next step ? |
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| 21:18.02 | rubymonk | Wyzard, It's a kind of apt proxy, yes |
| 21:18.21 | rubymonk | actually, I only try to make sure I understood well the man page |
| 21:18.39 | Wyzard | anand: You'll be running kernel 2.6.18-5-686 instead of 2.6.18-4-686, so the Intel build script will be looking for /ilb/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build |
| 21:18.43 | Wyzard | anand: and that symlink exists now, because you installed the headers package |
| 21:18.54 | drasko | What about this error: Reading package lists... Error! |
| 21:18.55 | drasko | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 21:18.55 | Wyzard | anand: so you can build the Intel driver now |
| 21:19.04 | stew | drasko: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 21:19.06 | anand | Wyzard: cool |
| 21:19.16 | Wyzard | !tell drasko about dynamic mmap |
| 21:19.40 | import | hi im having a hard time with chroot, Okay here it goes i go in as su and init 2 so i can log out of my kde session i then proceed with the following in these exact steps. i chroot into the system then copy over my /etc/skel to /home/tss, After that i chown tss:tss -R /home/demo. I then press ctrl+alt+f2 and cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf of the chroot system, Then i press ctrl+alt+f1 and type su demo and startx.....But i g |
| 21:19.40 | import | et an error while its loading into kde import:0 remove from log,,, and display0:0 was reset by host |
| 21:21.13 | import | what am i doing wrong why wont the screen load up oh and it says that the xorg.conf has no screens available afterward but i looked before i did it and it was filled with data when i went to go in it failed and then erased everything out of the xorg.conf file |
| 21:21.26 | Wyzard | import: "init 2" is a rather heavy-handed way to log out of KDE... it has a logout command on the menu |
| 21:22.12 | import | wyzard okay but i dont think that will fix my x session of the chroot enviornment |
| 21:22.15 | Wyzard | import: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 21:22.27 | Wyzard | import: and how did you set up your chroot environment? |
| 21:22.43 | import | im trying to chroot into a squashfs file and then load up the x enviornment |
| 21:22.59 | import | load up kde basically |
| 21:23.09 | Wyzard | import: squashfs is read-only, I believe |
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| 21:23.16 | import | well i copied over my xorg.conf from this system |
| 21:23.22 | Wyzard | import: I don't know if you can start X on a read-only filesystem |
| 21:23.26 | import | wyzard i decompressed it |
| 21:23.28 | Wyzard | OK, maybe it isn't read-only then |
| 21:23.36 | import | it use to be squash |
| 21:23.44 | import | so i opened it up :) |
| 21:23.48 | Wyzard | so it isn't a squashfs anymore, it's just an ordinary chroot |
| 21:23.50 | drasko | Wyzard, increase APT::Cache-Limit 12582912 to what number? I don't understand why this 12582912 is selected in the first place |
| 21:23.53 | import | yes sorry |
| 21:24.08 | Wyzard | drasko: Try that number first |
| 21:24.16 | drasko | Wyzard, I tried it |
| 21:24.19 | drasko | still the same |
| 21:24.21 | import | okay so then i copied over the xorg.conf from my system its the same one as the decompressed squash. |
| 21:24.26 | Wyzard | drasko: it's an arbitrary number afaik; the point is just that it's bigger than the default |
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| 21:24.37 | Wyzard | drasko: add a million to it and try again |
| 21:24.38 | import | and placed it in there |
| 21:24.46 | drasko | :) |
| 21:24.55 | Wyzard | import: Where did the squashfs come from? |
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| 21:25.14 | import | came from mepis |
| 21:25.16 | Wyzard | import: and have you mounted things like /proc within the chroot? |
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| 21:25.24 | import | oh no |
| 21:25.33 | import | i forgot mount -t proc proc proc |
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| 21:25.41 | import | and mount -t sys sys sys |
| 21:25.49 | import | i forgot about that does it matter? |
| 21:25.57 | Wyzard | import: and /dev wouldn't be a bad idea, since it's dynamic now (managed by udev) |
| 21:26.02 | jelly-home | drasko: that's 12MB. Someone tried 4MB, 8MB, and when that wasn't enough, they tried 12MB. |
| 21:26.07 | Wyzard | import: yes, many things assume /proc is available |
| 21:26.12 | import | oh okay |
| 21:26.34 | import | wyzard ill try it right now if it doesnt work ill just jot down the exact error |
| 21:26.46 | import | :) if it works ill be back oh thank you for the help again |
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| 21:27.02 | Wyzard | import: "no screens available" isn't a real error message, it's a summary message saying that X couldn't find a usable configuration because of some problem that occurred earlier |
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| 21:27.44 | h2 | http://www.nabble.com/bash%3A-no-job-control-in-this-shell-tf3995540.html#a11524074 |
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| 21:28.05 | h2 | Wyzard: whoops, heh, I meant to post that here |
| 21:28.12 | h2 | that link I think has the information in it |
| 21:28.24 | h2 | that's the exact scenario |
| 21:28.27 | Wyzard | h2: yeah, I wondered why you were talking to me on two different IRC networks simultaneously :-) |
| 21:28.34 | h2 | sorry |
| 21:28.37 | h2 | got mixed up |
| 21:28.53 | Wyzard | np, nothing wrong with being on both freenode and OFTC |
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| 21:28.55 | kombi | installation just stalled, this is too much.. |
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| 21:29.12 | h2 | this problem I think is better in freenode |
| 21:29.15 | nuxis | any descent program to set up my printer? |
| 21:29.18 | h2 | it's very obscure I guess |
| 21:29.27 | Wyzard | h2: Anyway, I don't know much about configuring job control in bash |
| 21:29.36 | h2 | ok, I'll let you know if I find the answer |
| 21:29.39 | Wyzard | h2: It's enabled by default and it's always just worked for me |
| 21:29.52 | kombi | progress bar just won't move, seems like very byte moves in slomo.. |
| 21:30.01 | kombi | s/very/every/ |
| 21:30.06 | Wyzard | h2: All I can guess is that one of your login scripts is doing something to disable it for some reason |
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| 21:30.14 | drasko | Wyzard, jelly-home, 16M did the trick, thanks |
| 21:30.20 | nuxis | I wanna set up my printer but don't know how :s |
| 21:30.37 | kombi | anyone ever had issues with foxconn boards and sata drives? |
| 21:30.42 | simonrvn | !cups |
| 21:30.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
| 21:30.58 | jelly-home | drasko: 16777216 is a nice round number too, yes |
| 21:31.07 | Wyzard | drasko: As the factoid mentioned, the necessary cache size is related to how many apt sources you have |
| 21:31.23 | h2 | simonrvn: that could very well be |
| 21:31.29 | Wyzard | drasko: so it wouldn't be a bad idea to clean out your sources.list if you have unnecessary stuff in there |
| 21:31.34 | h2 | for some reason I suspected initrd |
| 21:31.44 | h2 | but I don't know enough about it |
| 21:31.49 | Wyzard | though if apt's default cache size is less than 12MB, maybe it ought to be updated |
| 21:31.52 | h2 | this is an old etch, from pre stable |
| 21:31.57 | kombi | is there a way to determine from the utility console of the installer whether anything is still happening at all? |
| 21:31.59 | Wyzard | This isn't 1997 |
| 21:32.00 | simonrvn | h2: the shell in the initrd is busybox (initramfs) |
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| 21:32.15 | simonrvn | h2: oh, still might be busybox |
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| 21:32.22 | h2 | the shell works normally in every other way |
| 21:32.25 | anand | Wyzard: ok. the new kernel loaded up fine. now what do I do ? |
| 21:32.29 | h2 | can I check that? |
| 21:32.30 | simonrvn | busybox does a bunch of things |
| 21:32.35 | jelly-home | Wyzard: dpkg and apt could use some caching too while we're at it |
| 21:32.50 | simonrvn | h2: mount; see if anything comes up |
| 21:32.52 | anand | Wyzard: i still cant load the install.sh script for the new driver. |
| 21:32.56 | Wyzard | anand: whatever you ran before that failed because it couldn't find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build, run it again |
| 21:32.58 | jelly-home | Wyzard: (Reading database... is so slow when you have lots of crap installed ;-) |
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| 21:33.10 | simonrvn | jelly-home: no kidding hehe |
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| 21:33.34 | simonrvn | (Reading database ... 309598 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 21:33.37 | stew | h2: what does "echo $SHELL" return? |
| 21:33.38 | h2 | mount is normal output |
| 21:33.47 | Wyzard | well, /var/lib/dpkg/status could stand to be something more efficient than a big flat text file |
| 21:33.48 | h2 | $SHELL shows /bin/bash |
| 21:33.50 | simonrvn | ok, so prolly not |
| 21:33.54 | jelly-home | simonrvn: you must be kidding. |
| 21:34.01 | simonrvn | jelly-home: nope |
| 21:34.02 | anand | Wyzard: nope. same error. cannot find kernel config file. |
| 21:34.13 | mogra | anand: did you install the kernel headers? |
| 21:34.14 | Wyzard | anand: What's the exact error message? |
| 21:34.17 | jelly-home | simonrvn: build-deps for _everything_? |
| 21:34.32 | anand | Wyzard: Makefile.linux:151: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. |
| 21:34.37 | h2 | I'm making progress though, it's all users and root, I thought it was just root |
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| 21:34.53 | simonrvn | jelly-home: no, some kde, gnome, ooo, xfce, some games, plus some kde4 |
| 21:34.58 | Wyzard | anand: and if it's looking for a kernel config file, does it have an option to specify an alternate path for the config file, like --config= or something? |
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| 21:35.03 | kombi | when I quit the installer, will it start over again or from where it left off? |
| 21:35.07 | simonrvn | plus my usual vim and emacs |
| 21:35.19 | Wyzard | anand: The kernel's config file is at /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686, so see if you can tell it to look there |
| 21:35.26 | simonrvn | 2 emacs installs, one stable, and one -snapshot of 23.x |
| 21:35.38 | Wyzard | simonrvn: You have all three major desktop environments installed? |
| 21:35.44 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:36.00 | h3sp4wn | That xft emacs is nice is there anywhere with debian packages of it |
| 21:36.03 | simonrvn | one of the things i can't make up mind for =) |
| 21:36.22 | jelly-home | simonrvn: xfce, obviously. or kde if you must. |
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| 21:36.38 | simonrvn | deb http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main |
| 21:36.39 | anand | Wyzard: no it doesnt seem to take any arguments |
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| 21:36.52 | simonrvn | emacs snapshot ^^^ has multi-tty |
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| 21:37.40 | simonrvn | had a hard time moving my stuff to support console and x, but it's fixed now |
| 21:37.48 | kombi | how do check whether the installer is still alive? |
| 21:37.51 | mogra | bad, bad mind... seeing "multi-titty" there. |
| 21:37.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:38.03 | Wyzard | anand: It's probably looking in the build directory for the config file, but that's a rather stupid thing for it to have hard-coded |
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| 21:38.28 | Wyzard | anand: You could try copying /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686 to /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build, and delete it afterward, but that's rather ugly |
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| 21:38.40 | import | wyzard that worked |
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| 21:38.53 | import | but it says can not start ksysconfig |
| 21:38.55 | stew | Wyzard: why wouldn't it be there already? |
| 21:38.57 | Wyzard | anand: Alternately, you could try another distro that has a more recent version of the Intel driver already packaged, such as Ubuntu |
| 21:39.02 | import | and i have no control over mouse or keyboard |
| 21:39.06 | stew | Wyzard: assuming he has kernel-headers installed |
| 21:39.16 | Wyzard | stew: linux-headers doesn't include the kernel config for some reason |
| 21:39.16 | import | do i need to stat mount -t sys sys sys |
| 21:39.23 | stew | Wyzard: yes it does |
| 21:39.28 | simonrvn | plus manoj tracks gnus CVS, so i have that in there |
| 21:39.29 | Wyzard | stew: oh, nevermind, it's .config |
| 21:39.39 | anand | Wyzard: how do i check if i have the kernel headers... |
| 21:39.44 | Wyzard | anand: Ignore what I said about copying the config file to the build directory |
| 21:39.51 | anand | Wyzard: also how do i reinstall them if i have it |
| 21:39.54 | Wyzard | anand: You installed the linux-headers-2.6-686 package, right? |
| 21:40.03 | anand | yes |
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| 21:40.33 | Wyzard | anand: /lib/modules-2.6.18-5-686/build should exist, as a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:40.34 | h2 | ah, I found it, it's an etch bug |
| 21:40.37 | stew | anand: what does "apt-cache policy linux-headers-$(uname -r)" say for "Installed:"? (none)? or does it give some version? |
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| 21:40.40 | h2 | http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.comp.os.linux/browse_thread/thread/78f8ca8282257634 |
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| 21:40.42 | h2 | or was |
| 21:40.43 | Wyzard | anand: If that's true, you have the headers installed |
| 21:41.00 | Impiety | anyone here have mac menu using gnome |
| 21:41.04 | Impiety | like configured and working |
| 21:41.22 | simonrvn | jelly-home: vrey simple reason why i have all 3 major DEs there: they all have features that are good, and some that are bad. they should get together more than they do now, and exchange stuff that works well, that the other(s) don't do so well, and learn from each other |
| 21:41.32 | helo | anyone know a good way to break someone's leg? |
| 21:41.33 | Wyzard | Impiety: I'd say nobody has a Mac menu in GNOME, because GNOME isn't MacOS |
| 21:41.34 | anand | it says installed none |
| 21:41.46 | Impiety | Wyzard, it's an applet |
| 21:41.47 | anand | Wyzard: thats the problem |
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| 21:41.58 | Wyzard | anand: What does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:42.00 | kenjy | hi guys, can I remove the files in /tmp? |
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| 21:42.06 | simonrvn | *blink* 'mac menu' ? |
| 21:42.15 | anand | Wyzard: 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 21:42.31 | stew | anand: "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 21:42.44 | Wyzard | stew: he already installed linux-headers-2.6-686 |
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| 21:43.11 | Wyzard | stew: and he's apparently up-to-date wrt "apt-get update" because reinstalling linux-image-2.6-686 got him -5 rather than -4 |
| 21:43.21 | stew | Wyzard: he need linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686, not linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 21:43.33 | Wyzard | stew: The latter is a metapackage that depends on the former |
| 21:43.43 | simonrvn | -2.6- is just a meta-package |
| 21:43.46 | stew | Wyzard: aparantly it isn't |
| 21:43.48 | databuddy | !start an os war |
| 21:43.49 | dpkg | Unix is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 21:43.54 | kombi | oh christ, must I scrap this installation and start over with good old ide drives... why always me? |
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| 21:44.35 | Wyzard | stew: http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-headers-2.6-686 |
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| 21:44.52 | Wyzard | stew: it absolutely does depend on linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:45.12 | simonrvn | !depends linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:45.16 | stew | Wyzard: ok. anyway, he needs linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 not linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 21:45.30 | Wyzard | anand: ls -ld /usr/src/linux-headers-* |
| 21:45.36 | simonrvn | linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686: depends on linux-headers-2.6.18-5 (= 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13), linux-kbuild-2.6.18, gcc-4.1 |
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| 21:45.46 | simonrvn | uh, nm that... |
| 21:45.52 | Wyzard | stew: Installing linux-headers-2.6-686 gets him linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 now, and also ensures proper upgrades in the future |
| 21:46.09 | simonrvn | meant to do -2.6- |
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| 21:46.57 | stew | Wyzard: he claims to have the linux-headers-2.6-686 package installed and not the linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 package installed. the reason he is not able to comile is that he doesn't have the linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 package installed. |
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| 21:47.16 | Wyzard | stew: right, and that's what I'm trying to troubleshoot at the moment |
| 21:47.31 | anand | Wyzard: i dont think it got the headers previously... it shows negative. |
| 21:47.48 | Wyzard | stew: It could be that he has an older linux-headers-2.6-686 that depends on the -4 headers rather than the -5 headers |
| 21:47.53 | Wyzard | anand: no output from that command? |
| 21:47.53 | import | i think i might have removed some important packages :) thats okay ill just mount and copy the squash file again. man you learn alot when you get in deep with remastering. I am adding a wireless card driver trendnet, changing the desktop background, icons the taskbar to be transparent, and kmenu. I am also changing the bootsplash, grub menu, and adding a freenx program. i have been at it for about 3 days now :) |
| 21:47.59 | anand | Wyzard: none at all |
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| 21:48.22 | Wyzard | anand: dpkg -s linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 21:48.41 | Wyzard | anand: Do you get a description of the package, or "is not installed and no info is available" ? |
| 21:48.45 | stew | and in any case, i don't know that it is a particularly good idea to install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 via "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 21:48.48 | import | is there a safe way to remove packages without messing everything up i was using debfroster |
| 21:48.56 | anand | Wyzard: hold on i typed it wrong last time |
| 21:49.03 | anand | Wyzard: sorry abt that |
| 21:49.11 | anand | Wyzard: im getting 2 dirs |
| 21:49.25 | Wyzard | anand: What are their names? |
| 21:49.29 | Wyzard | anand: Specifically, do they contain -4 or -5? |
| 21:49.51 | anand | Wyzard: -5, both of them. one ends with "-5-686" and the other "-5" |
| 21:50.11 | Wyzard | stew: That's a separate issue, but in my experience the older linux-image packages don't get auto-removed when the metapackage gets updated, due to other dependencies that still exist |
| 21:50.20 | Wyzard | stew: and I don't think anand is using aptitude anyway |
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| 21:50.31 | Wyzard | anand: then you do have the right set of headers installed |
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| 21:50.49 | stew | anand: what does "apt-cache policy linux-headers-$(uname -r)" say for "Installed:"? (none)? or does it give some version? |
| 21:50.49 | Wyzard | anand: and does /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build exist? |
| 21:50.58 | anand | Wyzard: then why isnt it compiling ? |
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| 21:51.20 | anand | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.24 | Wyzard | anand: because it's some generic script from Intel that's not made for Debian and not supported by Debian |
| 21:51.49 | Wyzard | anand: and we don't know exactly what the script is trying to do |
| 21:52.08 | stew | anand: can you try rerunning the installer now that you have to correct kernel headers installed, and show us the output ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:52.17 | anand | Wyzard: ok. do you think I should try it again now ? |
| 21:52.21 | anand | Wyzard: ok |
| 21:52.22 | mogra | Wyzard: <previously>, not to say currently, I've had intel's compile scripts work in Debian. But, what they've done, I dunno. |
| 21:52.51 | Wyzard | anand: You haven't changed anything since last time you ran it, so I doubt it'll work now if it didn't before, but stew wants to see the output, and I wouldn't mind seeing the full output either, so go ahead |
| 21:52.52 | stew | it seems to make sense. it was looking for the kernel config in the path that debian would install them if he had installed the kernel headers, which he didn't have installed |
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| 21:53.07 | stew | Wyzard: he did change something, he has the kernel headers installed now |
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| 21:53.31 | mike1o | is there a pre-built low latency kernel in the form of a debian package ? |
| 21:53.31 | anand | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/m20b844af |
| 21:53.32 | Wyzard | stew: I know it was looking for (and not finding) the build symlink earlier, when he was running -4 and didn't have any headers installed |
| 21:53.46 | moprilo | hi guys.. I need to install debian from a usbkey, but I only have windows at hand. How can I put the image on my 256meg usbkey? |
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| 21:54.09 | stew | Wyzard: i asked him the same exact question twice. the first time he answered, "< anand> it says installed none", the second time he answered, " < anand> 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4". so something changed |
| 21:54.15 | Wyzard | stew: but my impression is that he had already installed the headers before trying to run the script again, and it didn't complain about the build symlink this time (so it found the headers) but complained about the config file instead |
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| 21:54.52 | nolimitsoya | hi, could anyone point me to the driverpackage required for 3daccel on an ati rage 3d chipset? |
| 21:54.55 | Wyzard | stew: I agree that's noteworthy, but he may have made a typo in the first case -- he did tell me earlier that he'd installed linux-headers-2.6-686, back when I first instructed him to |
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| 21:55.38 | stew | Wyzard: tell me what typo he could have made that would have made it say "Installed: none" ? |
| 21:55.41 | anand | why doesnt it tell us what the error is . all I see it erro 1 and 2 |
| 21:55.44 | Wyzard | eww... is this Intel package trying to replace the entire AGP driver? |
| 21:56.16 | Wyzard | stew: mistyped the package name, -4 instead of -5 or something |
| 21:56.19 | abrotman | moprilo: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 21:56.31 | Wyzard | stew: I'm speculating, not asserting |
| 21:56.37 | stew | 16:40 < stew> anand: what does "apt-cache policy linux-headers-$(uname -r)" say for "Installed:"? (none)? or does it give some version? |
| 21:56.50 | stew | that would have been quite a typo |
| 21:57.10 | Wyzard | indeed |
| 21:57.24 | Wyzard | but it was definitely complaining about the build symlink originally, and complaining about the config file subsequently |
| 21:57.33 | Wyzard | which implies that the build symlink existed the second time around |
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| 21:58.31 | stew | anand: what does "gcc --version" report? |
| 21:58.58 | anand | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21 |
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| 21:59.18 | Wyzard | anand: This thing is trying to compile its own copy of AGPGART, the Linux AGP driver |
| 21:59.30 | Wyzard | anand: and it's conflicting with the AGPGART that's already in Debian's kernel |
| 21:59.31 | stew | and the code isn't gcc 4.1 ready |
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| 21:59.56 | Wyzard | anand: It might be expecting your kernel to not have AGP support built-in, or it might not support kernel version 2.6.18 |
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| 22:00.00 | stew | i don't believe that it is conflicting with agpgart in the debian kernel |
| 22:00.08 | stew | i believe that the code is broken with gcc 4.1 |
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| 22:00.22 | Wyzard | That's a possibility too |
| 22:00.43 | anand | Wyzard: so in that case it wouldnt compile at all ? |
| 22:00.59 | stew | anand: aptitude install gcc-3.4 ; the try "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" then try again |
| 22:01.09 | Wyzard | but the "conflicting types" messages between Intel's agpgart-2.0/backend.c and the kernel's agp_backend.h look like a conflict with the kernel's own AGP support |
| 22:01.10 | stew | and if that works, he'd have to recompile his entire kernel |
| 22:01.26 | stew | Wyzard: it looks like it conflicts with the implicit declaration |
| 22:01.30 | anand | stew: im not sure i wanna do that |
| 22:01.38 | Wyzard | stew: You could try using an older version of GCC as stew suggested, and it might work, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't |
| 22:01.47 | Wyzard | anand: and yeah, you don't want to compile an entire custom kernel just for this |
| 22:02.07 | Wyzard | anand: My advice would be to use something that has a newer version of the Intel video driver packaged |
| 22:02.18 | mogra | Like update to lenny |
| 22:02.22 | Wyzard | anand: such as Debian testing if you're comfortable with that, or Ubuntu |
| 22:02.52 | Wyzard | That'd save you the trouble of compiling a newer version manually |
| 22:02.56 | stew | anand: can you look in the changelog for this code you are trying to compile and see how old it is? |
| 22:03.04 | anand | nopes it didnt |
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| 22:03.27 | stew | anand: you could try a newer kernel from backports.org |
| 22:03.50 | anand | stew: i think ill give ubuntu a go. |
| 22:03.50 | stew | though i must admit i have the same card as him, with 2.6.22 and the newer xorg, and don't have direct rendering enabled |
| 22:03.56 | stew | not that i've ever tried to get it enabled |
| 22:04.24 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 22:04.26 | anand | although i dont have gutsy yet... i do have feisty fawn |
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| 22:04.35 | Wyzard | Maybe it's just a weird card that isn't well-supported |
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| 22:04.55 | anand | Wyzard: i think so too... it does seem non standard. |
| 22:05.02 | Wyzard | anand: feisty is about two months newer than etch, so it'd be worth a shot |
| 22:05.17 | anand | Wyzard: ok |
| 22:05.34 | stew | i'm telling you that direct rendering doesn't get enabled by default with the newest kernels and xserver in sid |
| 22:05.40 | Wyzard | but if that doesn't work, I'd try gutsy, or (shudder) Fedora 8, which was released a few days ago |
| 22:05.43 | anand | Wyzard: will I be able to use the debian apps on feisty ? |
| 22:06.12 | Wyzard | anand: Installing Debian packages in Ubuntu isn't supported, but they have a lot of stuff packaged on their own |
| 22:06.14 | stew | though i have no idea how i would go about trying to enable direct rendering if it doesn't get enabled by default, as i've never really cared much |
| 22:06.20 | anand | Wyzard: im not very comfortable with rpm. id rather go for sabayon. |
| 22:06.30 | Wyzard | stew: You mean it's not even supposed to be enabled? |
| 22:06.38 | stew | Wyzard: i don't know what that means |
| 22:06.43 | stew | Wyzard: how would i tell |
| 22:07.26 | Wyzard | stew: no idea how to check whether it's supposed to be enabled, aside from reading documentation and mailing lists |
| 22:07.34 | Wyzard | I'd tend to think it should be, though |
| 22:08.01 | anand | I think Ill give ubuntu a go now. |
| 22:08.38 | anand | thanks for your time Wyzard, stew, mogra, cusco. talk to you soon. through ubuntu. |
| 22:09.00 | Wyzard | anand: I have "direct rendering: Yes" on my laptop's i915, using xserver-xorg-video-intel (a newer driver that's in sid and probably lenny, but not etch) |
| 22:09.17 | anand | Wyzard: you're on "sid" ? |
| 22:09.33 | Wyzard | anand: yes, I run unstable because I'm a power user |
| 22:09.53 | Wyzard | and I'm experience enough with Debian to deal with the problems that arise sometimes |
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| 22:10.00 | anand | Wyzard: what do you think ? hang back and give sid a go ? or try ubuntu feisty ? |
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| 22:10.11 | Wyzard | I think lenny (testing) has the newer driver too |
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| 22:10.30 | Wyzard | anand: running unstable is an "only if you know what you're doing" sort of thing |
| 22:10.32 | mogra | I think it was jelly said it was Direct Rendering: Yes on his too, Wyzard |
| 22:10.44 | mogra | and he was on Lenny |
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| 22:10.57 | Wyzard | anand: if you know what you're doing, feel free, but otherwise, I'd recommend Ubuntu |
| 22:10.58 | anand | Wyzard: "only if you know what you're doing" doesnt say it for me. |
| 22:11.10 | anand | Wyzard: :- |
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| 22:11.16 | Wyzard | anand: jelly and I have the same laptop, btw |
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| 22:11.27 | anand | Wyzard: :-) cool. ill give ubuntu a go |
| 22:11.28 | Wyzard | ThinkPad Z60m |
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| 22:11.42 | anand | Wyzard: I have an Acer Travelmate 2410c |
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| 22:13.02 | anand | talk to you later guys.. thanks for all your help. gotta run now. |
| 22:13.03 | anand | bye |
| 22:13.10 | Wyzard | Good luck |
| 22:13.18 | anand | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 22:16.01 | Wyzard | mogra: oh, I just noticed it was you who mentioned that jelly had direct rendering, not anand |
| 22:16.15 | Wyzard | mogra: so my comment that jelly and I have the same laptop should've been directed to you :-) |
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| 22:16.47 | mogra | Wyzard: it feels so good to be noticed :D |
| 22:18.04 | Wyzard | hmm, speaking of 3D acceleration |
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| 22:18.41 | Wyzard | glxinfo says "server glx version string: 1.2", "client glx version string: 1.4", and "OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 7.0.1" |
| 22:19.13 | Wyzard | The OpenGL version string would suggest that I only have OpenGL 1.3 support |
| 22:19.25 | Wyzard | but http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes-7.0.1.html says that Mesa 7.0.1 supports OpenGL 2.1 |
| 22:19.46 | mogra | hmm |
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| 22:20.43 | Wyzard | well... it implements 2.1 on most targets, including "XMesa/GLX" which I'm guessing is the software-only implementation for X |
| 22:20.52 | Wyzard | but the status for "DRI drivers" is "varies with the driver" |
| 22:21.06 | Wyzard | so maybe the accelerated driver for Intel GPUs only supports 1.3? |
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| 22:21.33 | Fenix|work | Greetings |
| 22:21.33 | Wyzard | That'd kinda suck |
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| 22:21.49 | stew | Wyzard: is direct rendering enabled on yours? |
| 22:22.17 | Fenix|work | how can I change the pure-ftpd install from package so it's without the banner saying it's pure-ftpd (compile flag --no-banner) |
| 22:22.25 | Wyzard | stew: yes |
| 22:22.39 | stew | ok |
| 22:22.59 | Wyzard | stew: and I didn't have to do anything special to make it work, just configured xorg with the intel driver |
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| 22:23.38 | stew | Wyzard: that's fine. i just would want to maybe warn him if it weren't, since if its not possible to get it working in sid, it won't be possible in ubuntu either, afaik |
| 22:23.49 | Wyzard | yeah, makes sense |
| 22:24.07 | abuzor | Hi, I have some troubles with netselect-apt, can I ask something? xD |
| 22:24.18 | dkr | !ask |
| 22:24.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:25.35 | abuzor | I actually got this error : 'you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute.' after netselect-apt told me he was unable to find a mirror |
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| 22:25.56 | abuzor | But, I can traceroute ftp.debian.org without problem |
| 22:26.23 | abuzor | And I got the same message on a debian server which is in Danmark |
| 22:26.32 | abuzor | any clue xD |
| 22:28.11 | abuzor | + ? |
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| 22:28.25 | doma | hi |
| 22:28.30 | Wyzard | abuzor: Evidently nobody knows |
| 22:28.33 | doma | what exactly is rotating logs for Postfix in Etch ? |
| 22:28.48 | Wyzard | abuzor: You could use a packet sniffer (such as tcpdump or wireshark) to look at the network traffic and try to figure out what's going on |
| 22:29.10 | abuzor | Wyzard: Good idea, I'm gonna try |
| 22:29.13 | abuzor | thanks |
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| 22:29.26 | dkr | doma: syslogd |
| 22:29.26 | mogra | doma: I think it's simply the syslog server doing that, no? |
| 22:29.55 | dkr | it is a bit confusing to have two different things rotating logs by default |
| 22:30.04 | doma | yes, it is |
| 22:30.24 | doma | can i just disable rotating via syslog and write rotate script for logrotate ? |
| 22:30.27 | doma | for mail.* logs |
| 22:30.53 | stew | abuzor: do both "tracert ftp.debian.org" and "traceroute ftp.debian.org" work? or just one or the other? |
| 22:30.56 | mogra | I use a fire-poker to rotate logs, keeps it nice and toasty |
| 22:30.58 | dkr | the sendmail package actually includes an /etc/logrotate.d/sendmail conf with all the right entries, but commented out |
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| 22:31.48 | abuzor | off the record, Is there a tool allowing convert MicrosoftOffice files to pdf, html, or whatever ? (Don't tell me OpenOffice :D) |
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| 22:32.10 | fedya | how can i change the screen resolution, the only option i have in the preferences for it is 640x480. :-\ |
| 22:32.23 | doma | ok, thnx |
| 22:32.28 | mogra | abuzor: you told me not to tell you the correct answer, so I'm not going to tell you OpenOffice :D |
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| 22:33.18 | abuzor | mogra: yeah but OOffice is kinda heavy weight actually :( |
| 22:33.19 | DebianTurkiye | hi |
| 22:33.26 | DebianTurkiye | hi my name is emir i am form turkey my debian & ubutuntu & kubuntu forums www.debianturkiye.org/forum |
| 22:33.51 | Wyzard | !turkey |
| 22:33.51 | dpkg | i heard turkey is #debian.tr, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 22:33.57 | mogra | abuzor: AbiWord might do it, other than that, there <i>might</i> be an OSS script for it |
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| 22:35.38 | nolimitsoya | what would be my options for xdrivers for an ati rage pro? r128, atimisc, fglrx? |
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| 22:36.51 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: I don't know much about ATi hardware, but the manpage for r128 says it's "for ATI Rage 128 based video cards" |
| 22:36.58 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: Give that a try |
| 22:37.00 | abuzor | mogra: Ok thanks I will have a look, I hoped a tool such as ps2pdf, but couldn't find it :p |
| 22:37.06 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, thank you :) |
| 22:37.22 | mogra | abuzor: doc2pdf might be the name of something like that |
| 22:37.38 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: Actually, just try the "ati" driver -- it's a wrapper that looks at your hardware and loads the appropriate real driver |
| 22:37.54 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, ah, even better. thank you, once again :) |
| 22:38.15 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: Each Xorg driver has a manpage, btw -- "man r128", "man ati" |
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| 22:39.19 | mogra | abuzor: http://doc2pdf.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:39.59 | zuiop | Which charset encoding is used by the POSIX locale (export LC_ALL=POSIX)? |
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| 22:42.04 | abuzor | mogra: oh thx, I was searching with apt-cache actually ("The next time you email a Microsoft Office document, Cc doc2pdf" : lol) |
| 22:42.11 | solemnwarning | Is there a program I can run that tells me where the bottlenecks on a machine are during a task? |
| 22:42.29 | solemnwarning | e.g, somthing that just shows usage/load of all the hardware |
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| 22:42.47 | Spida | hi |
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| 22:43.09 | mogra | !tell abuzor about google |
| 22:43.09 | mogra | :) |
| 22:43.32 | abuzor | xD |
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| 22:44.40 | Spida | I am trying to install debian with the netinstall-disc on a x86 box. I want to use two hdd as raid1, encrypt that raid1, and have a LVM on it. however, the debianinstaller wouldn't let me create a LVM on the encrypted volume, it wants to create a partitiontable first.... |
| 22:45.19 | Wyzard | Spida: That's a known bug in the installer |
| 22:46.06 | Wyzard | Spida: I created a setup like that back in January with a development snapshot of the beta version of the installer, before etch was released |
| 22:46.18 | Wyzard | You might be able to find a copy of that |
| 22:46.26 | Wyzard | but with the official released etch installer, I think you're out of luck |
| 22:46.54 | Wyzard | It's the RAID+crypto that's not handled properly |
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| 22:47.50 | fengor | ohhhh and i thought i have to have my geek license revoked |
| 22:48.10 | catch23 | anyone know some place to buy those little plastic tabs that hold the chipset heatsink to the motherboard? I can't seem to find one that fits just right.... |
| 22:48.28 | Wyzard | fengor: encrypted LVM is fine, unless it's on top of software RAID |
| 22:48.55 | nolimitsoya | catch23, zipties are good enough for the job. so are rubber bands |
| 22:49.03 | Spida | Wyzard: is there a workaround/fix? |
| 22:49.03 | fengor | hmm dunno it' no raid but the base-install fails with different error messages every time |
| 22:49.13 | bzed | fengor: what's so hard to do that O_o |
| 22:49.18 | Wyzard | Spida: I don't think so |
| 22:49.34 | fengor | i suspected a bad copy of the netinst cd rom and burned a new one but that fails as well |
| 22:49.35 | catch23 | nolimitsoya: how do you use zipties? these are the plastic tabs that look like a screw with a fat bottom... |
| 22:49.54 | bzed | Spida: never had a problem to create a lvm volume on a raid volume |
| 22:49.58 | Wyzard | Spida: You could try a newer development version of the installer, in case they've fixed it: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:49.59 | fengor | bzed: normally nothing, cause i did it on my old desktop pc |
| 22:50.09 | Wyzard | bzed: put a dm-crypt layer in between |
| 22:50.23 | catch23 | nolimitsoya: i'd prefer if I didn't have to remove the whole motherboard, it's sort of a customized 1U mobo with some weird stuff on it |
| 22:50.27 | Wyzard | bzed: It works (I'm using it) but the debian-installer partitioner doesn't properly support creating it |
| 22:50.45 | fengor | but on the dell it creates the lvm and the encrypted partition and starts to install the base -system. and somewhere in that he gets an error and dops me back in the menu where i can choose what to do next |
| 22:50.50 | nolimitsoya | catch23, cut the zipthingie of the ziptie, feed the tie in from above though the heatsinc mount and through the motherboard, zip the ziptie "head" on from under the mobo, tighten and cut of the excess cord |
| 22:50.56 | bzed | Wyzard: the partitioner worked well for that, but I think I used a daily build. don;t remember, I rarely use the installer |
| 22:51.45 | fedya | how can i change the screen resolution? |
| 22:51.52 | Wyzard | bzed: I used a daily build too, back in January, but a bug appeared in one of the last builds before the etch release |
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| 22:52.09 | bzed | Wyzard: well, try a daily build form today |
| 22:52.19 | Wyzard | I'm trying to find it in the BTS; I know it's there because I reported it |
| 22:52.30 | Wyzard | bzed: That was my suggestion to Spida |
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| 22:54.42 | Spida | Wyzard, bzed: but the snapshots are for sid, can I install etch with them? |
| 22:54.55 | Wyzard | Spida: Here's my report of the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397872 |
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| 22:55.05 | Wyzard | Spida: looks like someone came up with a patch for it, but it doesn't seem to be closed |
| 22:55.49 | Wyzard | and I was wrong, the bug appeared sometime around last November, not in January |
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| 22:57.21 | Spida | can I install etch with the Images on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/? |
| 22:57.34 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to run ntpd but it's not starting |
| 22:57.47 | man_in_shack | "Starting NTP server: ntpd failed!" |
| 22:57.57 | Spida | obviously, I am talking about the testing images, as the stable images don't work for me... |
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| 22:58.08 | drc | man_in_shack: did you check the config |
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| 22:58.22 | man_in_shack | drc, /etc/ntp.conf? nothing seems out of place there |
| 22:58.26 | man_in_shack | don't know what i'm looking for though |
| 22:58.52 | man_in_shack | ah, /var/log/syslog has errors |
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| 22:58.59 | man_in_shack | openssl mismatch |
| 22:59.23 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: Are you running unstable? |
| 22:59.36 | man_in_shack | yup, package upgrade time :) |
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| 23:00.15 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: the recent update of libssl is a little defective -- it broke WPA2 wireless authentication for me |
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| 23:00.22 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: That could be the cause of your problem too |
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| 23:00.39 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: There's a fixed package prepared, but ftp-master has been down all week so it hasn't gone into the archive yet |
| 23:01.02 | man_in_shack | oh, it's still broken? |
| 23:01.07 | themill | !sid status |
| 23:01.07 | dpkg | sid status is, like, ftp-master is back up, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00002.html |
| 23:01.09 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: ftp-master came back up today so it should be available soon; if you're impatient, you can downgrade libssl to the previous version from snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:01.45 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: ftp-master, the machine that handles all new packages being put into the archive, has been down for the past week, until just a few hours ago today |
| 23:01.51 | bzed | Spida: yes, you can select if you want stable/testing or unstable. you probably have to run it in expert mode, though. not sure |
| 23:01.53 | Wyzard | man_in_shack: so there have been no new packages all week |
| 23:02.07 | man_in_shack | well ntpd seems to be running now |
| 23:02.37 | bzed | Spida: but as I've reinstalle my notebook that way not too long time ago, I know that it works |
| 23:04.25 | Spida | thx |
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| 23:07.48 | maddash | !crone |
| 23:07.53 | kombi | in a standard installation, is cups installed with the admin webpage on port 631? |
| 23:08.17 | maddash | aren't there any good cron guides out here? |
| 23:08.19 | jelly-home | kombi: yes. It's possible it is only listening on localhost |
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| 23:08.37 | kombi | thanks jelly-home! |
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| 23:10.25 | Wyzard | Spida: If you're curious, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto describes the problem in more detail, and provides a partial workaround |
| 23:10.51 | Wyzard | Spida: (the workaround looks like it might work if you want to put a filesystem directly on the encrypted volume, but it's insufficient if you want to use LVM too) |
| 23:11.36 | themill | !tell maddash about crontab demystified |
| 23:11.52 | maddash | yaaaay thanks |
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| 23:12.01 | Gargantua | Hi |
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| 23:12.07 | maddash | themill: asswipe |
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| 23:12.12 | Gargantua | How can I disable the login manager? |
| 23:12.16 | maddash | !crontab demystified |
| 23:12.16 | dpkg | hmm... crontab demystified is http://www.superscripts.com/tutorial/crontab.html |
| 23:12.26 | maddash | wtf? |
| 23:12.31 | Gargantua | All I want is something like slackware.. a simple command-line "Localhost login:" |
| 23:12.37 | themill | eep... that once was a useful page... :( |
| 23:12.42 | maddash | dondelelcaro: I think someone's messing with your bot |
| 23:12.51 | Wyzard | Gargantua: uninstall gdm, or whatever login-manager package you're using |
| 23:12.57 | maddash | themill: sorry, I take it back, then |
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| 23:13.00 | Gargantua | Wyzard, k. |
| 23:13.05 | Gargantua | thanks. |
| 23:13.20 | themill | maddash: ask google.... |
| 23:13.20 | Gargantua | also, how can I execute a command before any shell starts? |
| 23:13.31 | Wyzard | Gargantua: even better, don't install it in the first place (don't select the "desktop" task or whatever while installing) |
| 23:13.43 | Gargantua | for example.. everytime I would turn on a terminal, it would execute "uptime". |
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| 23:13.49 | Gargantua | Wyzard, bit too late for that :\ |
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| 23:14.07 | methods[debian] | can i remove the entire desktop categorized packages in one shot? |
| 23:14.36 | Wyzard | Gargantua: The reason being that the desktop task installs a bunch of other GUI applications that are still installed on your system, even though you're not using them |
| 23:14.36 | Spida | Wyzard: I will create the system by hand, using grml. Did that before, shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 23:14.57 | Spida | Wyzard: and I know that the debianinstaller can use it, did that before, too. |
| 23:15.09 | methods[debian] | is there something like source o matic for ubuntu ? |
| 23:15.26 | SlackRat | !topicsmite |
| 23:15.29 | Wyzard | Spida: If nothing else, you could try to find that beta3 version of the etch installer, which definitely doesn't have the bug |
| 23:15.35 | Gargantua | #ubuntu PLEASE |
| 23:15.43 | methods[debian] | im not asking about ubuntu |
| 23:16.01 | Gargantua | w.e., this is still the wrong place to ask. |
| 23:16.03 | maddash | :( |
| 23:16.17 | maddash | !tell dondelelcaro about crontab demystifid |
| 23:16.19 | Wyzard | Spida: I'm currently running LVM on dm-crypt on RAID-5, installed back in January with the beta3 installer |
| 23:16.19 | methods[debian] | its just a web site that you can easily generate a sources list from |
| 23:16.20 | maddash | !tell dondelelcaro about crontab demystified |
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| 23:16.22 | Gargantua | Wyzard, so how would I go about doing the execuation of a command before any shell starts? |
| 23:16.32 | h3sp4wn | methods[debian]: you mean for iptables ? |
| 23:16.43 | Gargantua | for example.. everytime I would turn on a terminal, it would execute "uptime". |
| 23:16.48 | Wyzard | Gargantua: If you want it to run every time you log in or every time a new shell startes, you could put it in ~/.bash_login or ~/.bashrc |
| 23:17.05 | themill | maddash: take it easy... I'm working on finding a good replacement site for that one |
| 23:17.09 | Gargantua | Wyzard, can I have it do that for every user? |
| 23:17.10 | Wyzard | Gargantua: That's run a automatically by the shell before it displays the command prompt |
| 23:17.11 | methods[debian] | an apt source list |
| 23:17.30 | Wyzard | Gargantua: Look at /etc/profile for that, maybe |
| 23:17.41 | Gargantua | Wyzard, thanks. |
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| 23:20.26 | stew | maddash: the wayback machine says that the url in crontab demystified once had helpful content, since then the content was removed. you can remove the factoid yourself with "dpkg: forget crontab demystified", but it looks like someone already has |
| 23:21.23 | themill | stew, maddash: just updated it |
| 23:21.30 | themill | !crontab demystified |
| 23:21.50 | themill | !crontab demystified |
| 23:21.50 | dpkg | from memory, cron tutorial is at http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html but use the Debian init script (/etc/init.d/cron) rather than running cron from the command line. |
| 23:21.54 | themill | that's better.... |
| 23:22.06 | themill | until the linkrot sets in |
| 23:22.15 | stew | themill: thanks |
| 23:22.38 | themill | np, always good to keep poor little dpkg's brain in good shape |
| 23:22.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:23.45 | Gargantua | good night. |
| 23:26.18 | maddash | ay! |
| 23:28.45 | maddash | themiller:thanks much very |
| 23:29.17 | themill | np |
| 23:29.46 | maddash | wait a sec - only root is allowed to cron?! |
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| 23:30.29 | themill | where do you get that from? |
| 23:30.46 | struct | anyone know of a site that lists linux based portable media players? |
| 23:30.56 | themill | !hcl |
| 23:30.56 | dpkg | i guess hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 23:31.09 | mogra | tuxmobile? |
| 23:31.10 | fedya | how do i change the resolution? |
| 23:31.27 | themill | struct: tuxmobil.org is a good place to look |
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| 23:51.43 | jahshua | hello |
| 23:52.31 | jahshua | i would like to set the resolution on my bootup screen to 1024x768 instead of the present one of 800x640, could someone please help me out? |
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