| 00:00.04 | Nazcafan | abrotman: oh ? |
| 00:00.13 | Nazcafan | abrotman: I thought it was for 2.4 kernels |
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| 00:00.21 | abrotman | works for 2.6 also |
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| 00:01.04 | rwp | themill, Do you know about http://snapshot.debian.net/ ? Living on Sid means using it often. |
| 00:01.43 | themill | rwp: yeah of course. I don't actually live in sid. This not-a-bug just completely breaks my cowbuilder ;( And the cowbuilder shouldn't be dealing with snapshots... |
| 00:02.07 | jelly-home | jmcnaught: some registrars require at least two dns entries for your own good. You could fake them with a second ip address, or you could use a service like gratisdns.de |
| 00:02.08 | Nazcafan | abrotman: seems to be that, thanks |
| 00:02.26 | Nazcafan | I owe you |
| 00:02.42 | abrotman | beer! |
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| 00:02.51 | themill | !beer abrotman |
| 00:03.07 | abrotman | who added that? |
| 00:03.11 | jmcnaught | jelly-home: thanks... so basically the same BIND server will "be" both ns1 and ns2? |
| 00:03.16 | rwp | jmcnaught, RFCs (IIRC) require redundant nameservers recommended on far apart networks. Get a friend to secondary your dns. Or find a free service. |
| 00:03.33 | abrotman | uhm .. no one apparently |
| 00:03.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: there is no Bornem Tripple for abrotman/ |
| 00:04.25 | rwp | http://www.google.com/search?q=free+dns+secondary |
| 00:04.35 | coblestone | hey i have a question about that lame program. can it encode to shoutcast server |
| 00:04.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: i don't recall having that variety .. but there's probably a lot of them i don't remember :) |
| 00:04.50 | jelly-home | oh, right. gratisdns.de is not gratis any more |
| 00:05.18 | jmcnaught | rwp: thanks, i didn't realize that such a service would exist and was wracking my brains trying to figure out how to have to copies of BIND running |
| 00:05.25 | nepbabu | rwp, opendns ? |
| 00:05.36 | rwp | themill, I think having the bug closed like that would make me argue the point. If a valid close then it needed more explaination. |
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| 00:06.33 | jelly-home | it's just rude. |
| 00:06.36 | rwp | jmcnaught, It is possible to bind two nameservers to different IP addresses, assuming you have multiple available, but really the reduandant nameservers are for your own good. |
| 00:06.41 | themill | rwp: yeah.... every now and then I think we need a moreinfo tag that's there for the DD not for the reporter.... |
| 00:06.42 | abrotman | themill: it's entirely possible ti's not a bug because the dep isn't uploaded yet ... |
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| 00:06.58 | abrotman | themill: append the bug .. ask for more info on why it's not a bug |
| 00:06.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: http://prog.vub.ac.be/bta/main/reviews.php and http://prog.vub.ac.be/bta/beers/VanSteenberge-TrippelBornem/original.jpg |
| 00:07.28 | rwp | nepbabu, I have not used opendns and don't know anything about it. |
| 00:07.38 | themill | abrotman: I figured that... it's just that I think both should come from the same source package and I didn't think that could happen. |
| 00:08.00 | nepbabu | rwp, oh right.. probably not related. sorry |
| 00:08.05 | themill | abrotman: the 2.6 package requires 2.7 to be installed... |
| 00:08.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: doesn't look familiar .. but looks damn good :) |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but i recently had the one listed below it .. the Troublette |
| 00:09.03 | rwp | themill, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/glibc.html says that 2.6.1-6 was accepted 2007-10-18. |
| 00:09.04 | abrotman | which was .. ok |
| 00:10.01 | jelly-home | themill: it's not the 2.6 package that requires it, it's the new one that didn't get installed |
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| 00:11.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, it's pretty good. I'm just a fan of tripples and high alchohol content beer. |
| 00:11.11 | themill | jelly-home: yes, you're right... so not quite as fubared then... |
| 00:11.13 | rwp | nepbabu, opendns sounds like it might work. But again, never heard of it before you mentioned it. |
| 00:11.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: skull splitter? :) |
| 00:11.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh. not quite; you'd have to drink an awful lot |
| 00:11.35 | rwp | Really just needs a coop of friends with dns servers to supply redundancy for the coop. |
| 00:11.40 | abrotman | i like trippel and dubbel .. |
| 00:11.51 | dondelelcaro | though we did have a keg of ruination double |
| 00:12.01 | abrotman | though .. i'm apt to try most anything except browns and IPAs .. they just give me headaches |
| 00:12.09 | jelly-home | care to translate to mass% of alcohol? |
| 00:12.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: for a trippel ? |
| 00:12.30 | jelly-home | right |
| 00:12.40 | themill | rwp: it's not a bug... hmmm.... this is from the changelog: !!! THIS GLIBC IS FTBFSING ON PURPOSE !!! |
| 00:12.49 | themill | rwp: way to go DD.. you broke sid on purpose. |
| 00:13.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: depends on the brew .. but usually from 7% to 10% ABV or so |
| 00:13.08 | azeem | themill: "you"? |
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| 00:13.27 | jelly-home | "they"? |
| 00:13.30 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yeah, tripples generally are near 10%; sometimes lower though (and some get to 11 to 12%) |
| 00:13.36 | themill | azeem: you (pl). ? |
| 00:13.50 | jelly-home | that's in wine range. |
| 00:13.52 | azeem | themill: not sure what you're talking about |
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| 00:14.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: it is .. but there are beers that i've seen that are like 16% |
| 00:14.10 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yerp |
| 00:14.12 | azeem | that glibc FTBFS is to unbreak testing on purpose |
| 00:14.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: are you not a beer drinker ? |
| 00:14.32 | themill | azeem: how does that work? |
| 00:14.34 | rwp | themill, Wow. That would be worth checking debian-devel@lists.debian.org and seeing if there is discussion there. |
| 00:14.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: very casual. |
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| 00:14.45 | doublehp | any one knows a Webcam model that is ... new enough to be still sold in Europe/france, and, already supported under Linux ? |
| 00:14.50 | spacix | What is a good tool to partition in cmd line with? |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: i've never had beers from your country .. but from countries around you i have |
| 00:15.00 | abrotman | spacix: fdisk |
| 00:15.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: samuel adams made a 25% ABV beer in around 2000, which is pretty near the limit without distillation |
| 00:15.09 | azeem | themill: it prevents glibc-2.7 .debs to enter unstable |
| 00:15.10 | spacix | With command line GUI |
| 00:15.15 | spacix | abrotman: any clue? |
| 00:15.17 | azeem | thus allowing shitloads of stuff into testing |
| 00:15.42 | abrotman | spacix: cfdisk ? |
| 00:15.46 | spacix | sec |
| 00:16.06 | azeem | because as soon as libc6_2.7 .debs would be in unstable, things would build against it, and need glibc-2.7 to transition to testing as a requirements for their testing migtration |
| 00:16.09 | jelly-home | azeem: they haven't heard about experimental? <g> |
| 00:16.17 | jmcnaught | thanks everyone, i might be back later but for now pidgin is proving to be a miserable IRC client |
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| 00:16.37 | azeem | jelly-home: it was *obviously* targetted at experimental, and it was *obviously* errornously uploaded to unstable |
| 00:16.39 | themill | azeem: ahh... but in the process, breaking sid. That seems to be an inordinately bad way of doing things. |
| 00:16.43 | azeem | thus the immediate FTBFS upload |
| 00:17.02 | azeem | themill: right, if you prefer testing to be stuck for months... |
| 00:17.09 | jelly-home | ah, shit happens. |
| 00:17.25 | azeem | shit happens, and keeping unstable broken was the better alternative |
| 00:17.34 | themill | azeem: I see... they could have just added an epoch and reuploaded the previous 2.6, couldn't they? |
| 00:17.35 | azeem | well, the other alternative would've been an epoch |
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| 00:17.42 | flux__ | hello :) |
| 00:17.45 | flux__ | according to http://wiki.openzaurus.org/FAQ#USB_related_questions , when we plug an usb device and then do : |
| 00:17.47 | azeem | epochs are ugly and to be avoided |
| 00:17.51 | flux__ | grep ^[C].* /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 00:17.56 | themill | azeem: true. |
| 00:17.58 | flux__ | we can see how much current is required. |
| 00:17.58 | azeem | themill: this was explained on debian-devel, btw |
| 00:18.12 | themill | azeem: browsing as we speak.... |
| 00:18.14 | jelly-home | azeem: the cure sounds to be worse than the epoch |
| 00:18.21 | flux__ | is there a way to do the same with CF card ? +pcmcia, + cpu "right now" .... |
| 00:18.49 | flux__ | (such as pcmcia/cf wifi card ...) |
| 00:19.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: have you ever had 'Zatec' ? |
| 00:20.02 | azeem | jelly-home: what is the exact problem anyway, except locales being uninstallable? |
| 00:20.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: nope |
| 00:20.36 | themill | azeem: it actually stops any package that depends on locales from being installed, it seems. |
| 00:20.40 | jelly-home | azeem: none for me, but it sounds like an ugly kludge |
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| 00:21.05 | azeem | themill: how many are there? |
| 00:21.10 | themill | azeem: it broke my cowbuilder ;( |
| 00:21.44 | themill | azeem: no idea.... sun-java6-jdk is uninstallable so all my java packages now ftbfs too |
| 00:21.58 | jelly-home | themill: tell them it breaks your cowbuilder? |
| 00:22.11 | azeem | jelly-home: as I said before, there were a couple of important testing migrations coming up (boost, gtk), so it was preferred to keep locales uninstallable in unstable for a while, to introducing an epoch on such a basic library or stalling those migrations |
| 00:22.12 | stew | wait, so they uploaded a broken libc6 on purpose? or they filed a bogus bug? |
| 00:22.23 | themill | jelly-home: nah.. they're saying that it will be sorted in a week. I'll wait ;) |
| 00:22.37 | themill | jelly-home: i've probably got some real work I should be doing anyway. |
| 00:22.58 | themill | stew: broken libc6. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/11/msg00033.html |
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| 00:23.42 | jelly-home | themill: no cowbuilders -> no cows -> no milk -> coffee w/o milk -> grumpy me |
| 00:23.47 | themill | !moo |
| 00:23.48 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 00:26.39 | jelly-home | new |
| 00:26.41 | stew | themill: so does that mean that one binary was uploaded and every arch except that one is fine? |
| 00:27.35 | themill | stew: no, they only uploaded a source package with arch:all and no binaries. See footnote on that mail. |
| 00:28.12 | stew | oh, right, thanks |
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| 00:28.43 | themill | stew: otherwise, as you were guessing, that would make an even bigger mess... |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | should we put something in the topic about there not being any unstable/testing updates for the time being ? |
| 00:29.45 | themill | abrotman: the ftp-master thing? might be an idea. |
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| 00:30.49 | abrotman | though .. honestly .. who reads the topic anyways ... |
| 00:30.58 | themill | ubuntu users don't seem to.... |
| 00:32.00 | dondelelcaro | probably not that important, unless more people ask about it |
| 00:32.26 | dondelelcaro | (and hopefully most people who it would matter to are subscribed to d-d-a anyway) |
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| 00:32.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you should know better than that :) |
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| 00:33.09 | dondelelcaro | considering that only DDs can actually upload to the archive... |
| 00:33.21 | Grandie | Hey, I'm now in grub shell through a livecd, and would like to remove the grub entry of the partition that I just wiped, /dev/hdc2 |
| 00:33.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: any more word on the cause? |
| 00:33.27 | Grandie | Any clue how |
| 00:33.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: some sort of drive failure, from what I was told |
| 00:34.00 | abrotman | some sort .. never a good sort :) |
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| 00:34.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, it's got raid, so it should just be a matter of replacing the drive and bringing it back up |
| 00:35.45 | dondelelcaro | (but I don't know if that's the only problem) |
| 00:35.58 | rwp | themill, delayed response... See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/11/msg00033.html for debian-devel discussion of glibc problem. |
| 00:36.02 | stew | dondelelcaro: i think i saw someone say it lost 2 drives not 1 |
| 00:36.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: unless the controller died |
| 00:36.13 | abrotman | if it was hwraid |
| 00:36.18 | stew | it is hwraid |
| 00:36.27 | themill | rwp: yes, I saw that. thanks. |
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| 00:37.21 | rwp | I was called away by the phone and missed a bunch of the discussion. Sorry for the dup. |
| 00:37.28 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, Ganneff said s |
| 00:37.41 | dondelelcaro | so it'll just be resynced off one of the backups |
| 00:37.53 | themill | rwp: np |
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| 00:38.11 | themill | rwp: always better to hear twice than not at all! |
| 00:38.21 | abrotman | themill: three times? |
| 00:38.39 | jelly-home | the charm. |
| 00:38.44 | themill | two's company and three's a crowd... |
| 00:39.03 | rwp | three lefts make a right |
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| 00:39.55 | jelly-home | but three rights do not make a wrong |
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| 00:39.56 | rwp | three wrights make an airplane |
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| 00:40.03 | rwp | actually two wrights make an airplane |
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| 00:41.01 | jelly-home | right, I'm writing this discussion off. |
| 00:41.06 | themill | rwp: not where I live.... bloody messy streets... three lefts and I'd end up in the river or in Manchester or someting... |
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| 00:43.01 | Grandie | Hey, I'm now in grub shell through a livecd, and would like to remove the grub entry of the partition that I just wiped, /dev/hdc2 |
| 00:43.04 | Grandie | Any clue how? |
| 00:43.17 | themill | night all! |
| 00:43.32 | Grandie | I just need to reinstall grub |
| 00:44.06 | dalias | just installing over the old one should work.. |
| 00:45.22 | Grandie | how can i do that? |
| 00:45.51 | dalias | however you normally intend to install.. |
| 00:46.01 | Grandie | i dunno how |
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| 00:55.56 | wiebel | is there a way to deactivate sound for the flash-plugin? |
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| 00:56.04 | abrotman | turn it down? |
| 00:56.12 | tarzeau | wiebel: because it crashes your browser? |
| 00:56.22 | tarzeau | wiebel: there's some environment variable to do so, but i forgot which |
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| 00:56.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: as in rm (like remove)? |
| 00:56.40 | abrotman | just the sound? |
| 00:56.53 | wiebel | no, more complicated, on the one hand I like to hear my mpd, without getting noise while browsing ... |
| 00:56.56 | tarzeau | won't help, it'll block the device anyways |
| 00:57.02 | tarzeau | the flashplayer rly RLY sucks |
| 00:57.09 | abrotman | so does your spelling :) |
| 00:57.24 | abrotman | wiebel: possibly try turning down the PCM volume |
| 00:57.43 | wiebel | nope mpd also servers PCM |
| 00:57.43 | abrotman | (depends on the version of flash i believe) |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | can't your mpd player use alsa ? |
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| 00:58.16 | wiebel | sure but PCM is a mixer chanal, isn't it |
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| 01:01.01 | wiebel | ... on the other hand i want to be able to start firefox w/ flash as another user (B) on the desktop of user A, so B can't access any sound at all, but flash produces many errors and stutters badly |
| 01:01.34 | wiebel | is "stutters" an english word? |
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| 01:02.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:02.21 | wiebel | lucky, me ;) |
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| 01:03.02 | wiebel | ok, is it possible to tell flash or alsa on a user base to completle deactivate sound or use /dev/null? |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | i don't think so |
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| 01:03.44 | wiebel | no evil .asoundrc hack? *sigh* |
| 01:03.53 | abrotman | not that i'm aware of |
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| 01:05.12 | wiebel | btw where is the /etc/asoundconf gone? (sid) |
| 01:05.25 | wiebel | :asoundconf:asound.conf |
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| 01:18.17 | wiebel | ok, thx abrotman, tarzeau, bye |
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| 01:25.39 | lgc | Hi. Is there a way to rejuvenate my session and flush out all garbage collected during a month+ of uptime? |
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| 01:27.03 | cilkay | Hi. I want to install mysql-admin on Debian Etch. When I use aptitude, it tells me it has to install 176M of dependencies. When I use apt-get install, it tells me it only needs 31.4M of dependencies. Why is that? |
| 01:27.51 | dvs | cilkay: aptitude selects the suggested packages too. |
| 01:28.13 | dondelelcaro | no, it selects the recommended ones |
| 01:28.25 | dondelelcaro | suggests aren't installed by default (unless you've configured aptitude manually) |
| 01:28.43 | cilkay | No, it doesn't select either. The suggests or recommends list is way shorter with apt-get than aptitude. |
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| 01:29.02 | cilkay | I was surprised at the amount of crap aptitude wanted to drag in,. |
| 01:29.39 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: the Recommends; list is just mysql-query-browser which has its own list of dependencies. |
| 01:29.48 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: however, it'd be helpful if you actually showed us the output. |
| 01:30.09 | cilkay | How can I show the output of aptitude? |
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| 01:30.30 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: redirect it to a file? select and copy it? put it in a paste site? |
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| 01:32.11 | endra | hey |
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| 01:32.24 | endra | I need to setup a socks5 proxy server on debian, is this possible? |
| 01:32.37 | cilkay | Not sure how I'd redirect the display of a curses app to a file. Selecting isn't possible either. Anyway, it seems mysql-admin is the GUI thing, which is useless to me on a server. I already have the command line one. |
| 01:33.12 | dondelelcaro | cilkay: it isn't curses only... |
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| 01:33.31 | dvs | cilkay: aptitude install mysql-.... |
| 01:33.41 | dondelelcaro | endra: socks4-server isn't good enough? |
| 01:34.01 | endra | dondelelcaro: did not try it yet, but socks4 is not secure is it? |
| 01:34.03 | dondelelcaro | endra: there's also dante-server if not... |
| 01:34.09 | cilkay | Aha. I've never used aptitude that way. |
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| 01:34.24 | cilkay | Just another one of the many dark corners of Debian for me. |
| 01:34.35 | dvs | huh? it's just like apt-get |
| 01:34.49 | dondelelcaro | (and in this case, if you're totally lost, aptitude why foopkg; will explain why it was installed or should be) |
| 01:35.09 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps, why-not) |
| 01:35.43 | dondelelcaro | endra: I don't know, personally... but given that all non-https encrypted traffic isn't secure either... |
| 01:36.26 | endra | dondelelcaro: what I meant is that anyone can use the server for their needs without authentication |
| 01:36.43 | endra | .. and I don't know how to start socks4-server :( |
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| 01:37.17 | dondelelcaro | the authentication is probably the key bit that needs to be encrypted; dunno if socks4 does it or not |
| 01:37.28 | dondelelcaro | endra: it should be ready to start itself |
| 01:37.49 | dondelelcaro | endra: but if you're lost /usr/share/doc/socks4-server/*; and the manpages should have that information |
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| 01:44.41 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:44.45 | dvs | bye |
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| 01:56.07 | Schalken | whats the difference between a package "suggesting" and "recommending" another package? |
| 01:57.59 | pipeline | Schalken: recommendation is stronger, I think |
| 01:58.39 | Schalken | pipeline: is there any clear definition for each? |
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| 01:59.08 | Schalken | pipeline: as in, how does a maintainer decide whether to recommend or suggest a package? |
| 01:59.51 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: recommends are for packages which aren't required, but are expected to be there in all but unusual situtations |
| 02:00.14 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: depends are for packages which have to be there for the package to work (or work with a significant portion of functionality) |
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| 02:00.19 | abrotman | Schalken: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 02:00.35 | Schalken | abrotman: ah, ty |
| 02:00.38 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: suggests are packages which would be nice and enhance functionality, but it would be reasonable not to install them. |
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| 02:00.55 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: that makes sense, thanks. |
| 02:01.25 | dondelelcaro | there are some cases of Recommends: which should actually be Suggests: (and possibly vice versa) but those are being fixed as they're noticed |
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| 02:02.02 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: cool. ive also noticed in abrotman's link a "enhances" (backwards suggests) relationship. |
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| 02:02.12 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: yeah, that's not really implemented though |
| 02:02.36 | Schalken | dondelelcaro: as in nor many maintainers bother with it? |
| 02:02.38 | Schalken | not* |
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| 02:02.48 | dondelelcaro | Schalken: and as in the tools don't necessarily do anything useful with it yet |
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| 02:02.59 | Schalken | oh okay. |
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| 02:03.19 | abrotman | in all of lenny .. there appear to be 22 "Enhances:" |
| 02:03.32 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
| 02:03.38 | Noboru | i have a folder include 2 files in it,i want them all to be rwz,so i do chmod -R folder,but the files in it dont change ,why |
| 02:05.06 | Schalken | also, this might be more appropriate for #ubuntu, but does anyone know if ubuntu completely duplicates debian's package repo or only duplicates part of it? |
| 02:05.30 | Dewi | Noboru: because you did it wrong or your system is broken |
| 02:06.29 | Dewi | Schalken: it has a different repo structure altogether |
| 02:07.09 | Noboru | what i did it wrong |
| 02:07.19 | Dewi | Noboru: I don't know what you did |
| 02:07.21 | Schalken | Dewi: yeah, i know it doesnt have stable,testing and sid, but it was my understanding that to make their repos they first make a duplication of debian testing. |
| 02:08.01 | Dewi | Schalken: the ubuntu core is small, and they have less supported outer layers of packages called things like 'universe' and 'multiverse' |
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| 02:08.24 | abrotman | Dewi: #ubuntu ... |
| 02:08.36 | Schalken | hmm, okay, ill ask in ubuntu. |
| 02:08.42 | Schalken | abrotman: k. |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | thank you |
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| 02:10.53 | taime1 | how do i use the tv out on my nvidia card? |
| 02:11.26 | Eclipser | give me a tv and I'll find out and then tel lyou |
| 02:11.34 | Eclipser | or, you could read the docs |
| 02:11.53 | Dewi | taime1: hmm. iirc the nvidia driver has a control panel in X that has multimonitor settings, and presumably that as well |
| 02:12.21 | Eclipser | yeah there's nvidia-settings |
| 02:12.24 | taime1 | nvidia-settings? |
| 02:12.25 | taime1 | okay |
| 02:12.50 | taime1 | i hope it detects my screen... it didnt the last time i tried this about a year ago |
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| 02:15.08 | taime1 | (please dont kill me) but does envy have a utility to setup tv out? |
| 02:15.22 | taime1 | i have had pretty good luck with envy in the past |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | envy isn't part of debian |
| 02:16.33 | taime1 | i know this' |
| 02:16.55 | abrotman | you could ask #nvidia |
| 02:17.01 | taime1 | true |
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| 02:18.50 | Eclipser | is there some way to limit the download speed of aptitude upgrade? |
| 02:19.06 | Noboru | how to use chgrp to check the current status ? |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | !info trickle etch |
| 02:19.32 | abrotman | Noboru: ls -l file ? |
| 02:19.40 | Noboru | oh |
| 02:19.47 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 02:21.16 | steven_elvisda | hello, have any idea about how to check connection speed of my server? |
| 02:21.17 | steven_elvisda | :D |
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| 02:26.08 | Noboru | abrotman, how about chown,the current status |
| 02:26.10 | pleed | does anyone know the "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" problem and can tell me why this can happen? |
| 02:26.16 | abrotman | Noboru: ls -l ? |
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| 02:26.24 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 02:28.35 | pleed | i have no clue because i didnt change anything on the machine. i just played a little with an environment created with debootstrap |
| 02:28.43 | jamesrdorn | Can someone please help me remember what bin application enables services in the init.d folder? |
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| 02:30.44 | abrotman | jamesrdorn: update-rc.d |
| 02:30.45 | pleed | jamesrdorn: i think it s init. |
| 02:30.49 | jamesrdorn | thanks |
| 02:30.49 | Eclipser | hmmm |
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| 02:30.59 | jamesrdorn | that's it |
| 02:31.18 | jamesrdorn | I wished it would just execute any scrips in that folder with execute flags |
| 02:31.25 | jamesrdorn | strange way of updating the system |
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| 02:32.07 | Eclipser | well... this trickle thing certainly isn't working |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | not at all ? |
| 02:32.58 | Eclipser | or... |
| 02:33.03 | Eclipser | let's try again |
| 02:33.40 | Eclipser | nope, not really |
| 02:35.28 | Eclipser | it doesn't prevent aptitude from using all my bandwidth but it does make aptitude show the download speed about triple of what it is from time to time |
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| 02:36.01 | niuq | hi i need help starting swat program, http://localhost:901/ didn't show anything |
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| 02:36.14 | niuq | i'm actually using ubuntu, but i couldn't get any help there :( |
| 02:36.49 | drc | I wonder why |
| 02:37.10 | niuq | bad question? |
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| 02:37.25 | abrotman | niuq: please go to #ubuntu |
| 02:38.01 | niuq | ermmm ... ok |
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| 02:40.27 | soroush | Hi |
| 02:40.29 | soroush | anyone around? |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | no |
| 02:40.48 | Eclipser | no, of course now, what are you thinking? |
| 02:40.50 | steven_elvisda | no |
| 02:40.52 | Eclipser | s/now/not/ |
| 02:40.55 | soroush | i have installed debian |
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| 02:41.08 | soroush | but the bare minimum so i only have a command interface |
| 02:41.11 | soroush | how do i get gui? |
| 02:41.19 | Eclipser | you install it |
| 02:41.21 | pipegeek | yep |
| 02:41.27 | soroush | know the cmd? |
| 02:41.28 | pipegeek | soroush: apt-get install kde? |
| 02:41.30 | soroush | apt-get x? |
| 02:41.32 | pipegeek | (sans ?) |
| 02:41.34 | steven_elvisda | niuq: did you restart smb yet? |
| 02:41.37 | soroush | ahh ok |
| 02:41.40 | pipegeek | kde will pull in x |
| 02:41.42 | soroush | also |
| 02:41.49 | pipegeek | but, for the record, the x11 package is called xserver-xorg |
| 02:41.52 | soroush | also |
| 02:41.55 | pipegeek | yes? |
| 02:41.57 | Eclipser | that is, if you really want kde.. |
| 02:41.58 | niuq | steven_elvisda: no i can find this directory /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 02:42.09 | niuq | steven_elvisda: cant**** |
| 02:42.10 | soroush | when my pc boots |
| 02:42.15 | gravity | No, it's xorg |
| 02:42.18 | soroush | for some reason shows it has 2 debian os |
| 02:42.26 | Eclipser | the other is single user boot |
| 02:42.27 | soroush | one with brackets (single user) |
| 02:42.29 | soroush | next to it |
| 02:42.31 | soroush | why? |
| 02:42.35 | soroush | whats that? |
| 02:42.41 | pipegeek | soroush: single user mode is sort of like "safe mode" in windows |
| 02:42.45 | Eclipser | for single user access if something goes wrong? |
| 02:42.47 | pipegeek | it's for debugging when bad shit happens |
| 02:42.55 | niuq | steven_elvisda: i couldn't find /etc/init.d/smb-client start either |
| 02:43.06 | soroush | ok i see |
| 02:43.07 | soroush | thanks |
| 02:43.39 | Eclipser | pipegeek, *if* |
| 02:43.49 | pipegeek | hahaha |
| 02:43.52 | pipegeek | fair enough |
| 02:43.54 | steven_elvisda | niuq: netstat -ant | grep 901 |
| 02:43.58 | steven_elvisda | what you see? |
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| 02:44.55 | niuq | steven_elvisda: ok let me check |
| 02:45.17 | niuq | steven_elvisda: nothing, no output |
| 02:45.33 | abrotman | niuq: please go to #ubuntu |
| 02:45.54 | steven_elvisda | niuq: i can not help you cuz this is debian # |
| 02:46.01 | steven_elvisda | i need to respect |
| 02:46.02 | steven_elvisda | sorry |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | steven_elvisda: you can go to #ubuntu with him |
| 02:46.28 | abrotman | if you want i mean :) |
| 02:46.33 | billybob | lol |
| 02:46.36 | steven_elvisda | no |
| 02:46.37 | steven_elvisda | hehehe |
| 02:46.42 | steven_elvisda | just here is warm for me |
| 02:46.42 | steven_elvisda | :D |
| 02:46.55 | billybob | there is no love between these two chanels i guess ? |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | billybob: they're different distros |
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| 02:47.07 | pipegeek | #ubuntu is a harsh mistress |
| 02:47.17 | pipegeek | Both times I've been there I've screwed up |
| 02:47.23 | billybob | both based on debian, but i can respect channle rules |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | debian is debian .... |
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| 02:48.32 | Eclipser | no kidding? |
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| 02:49.58 | billybob | which does not nessisarily mean i think one or the other is better, but my roots are with debian anyhow |
| 02:50.32 | rummik | heh, awesome...or not |
| 02:50.36 | pipegeek | so are mine..... I'm just a sucker for guiness.... that, and I want to be using what our local LUG is installing so I can answer questions |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | sarge is not testing |
| 02:50.44 | steven_elvisda | niuq: type it |
| 02:50.47 | billybob | it was when it got installed on that machine. |
| 02:50.49 | steven_elvisda | niuq: /etc/init.d/smb restart |
| 02:50.52 | billybob | i think you missed my point lol |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | steven_elvisda: go to #ubuntu |
| 02:52.01 | steven_elvisda | :| |
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| 02:52.34 | rummik | installing debian on a raq2 for the first time |
| 02:52.35 | niuq | steven_elvisda: no such directory |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | niuq: #ubuntu please |
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| 02:53.19 | gluttoy | how do i force mount a partition? |
| 02:53.26 | dondelelcaro | gluttoy: you don't, in general. |
| 02:54.02 | gluttoy | oh... how am i supposed to mount my drive? its got some bad sector somewhere |
| 02:54.18 | dondelelcaro | gluttoy: what is the precise error you are getting from mount? |
| 02:54.37 | gluttoy | Volume Bitmap is what check disk tells me |
| 02:55.00 | pipegeek | NTFS? |
| 02:55.02 | billybob | sounds like a volume name |
| 02:55.23 | pipegeek | gluttoy: if it's ntfs, you probably need to chkdsk it from windows |
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| 02:55.45 | gluttoy | pipegeek. unfortunatly i cant get into windows |
| 02:55.51 | pipegeek | damn... |
| 02:56.02 | billybob | ruh row |
| 02:56.09 | gluttoy | ? |
| 02:56.14 | pipegeek | gluttoy: it probably will refuse to mount until it's in a consistent state, and you can't fsck it under linux |
| 02:56.20 | pipegeek | but you could start the recovery console |
| 02:56.22 | pipegeek | from the windows install cd |
| 02:56.26 | pipegeek | and chkdsk it from there. |
| 02:56.46 | gluttoy | dont have one... its an hp vista and i never mad the disk. it was bad of me..... |
| 02:56.53 | billybob | ah |
| 02:57.01 | billybob | failed dual boot attempt ? |
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| 02:57.32 | gluttoy | yeah. i was trying out a bunch of differnt linux oses and, well, something happened to my mbr |
| 02:57.44 | pipegeek | gluttoy: unless someone can come up with something better..... you may have to physically take the disk to someone else's machine to scan it |
| 02:58.24 | gluttoy | im just trying to get my data off. this sucks to a million pieces. i need to find a recovery disk |
| 02:58.31 | billybob | you should be able to recover from that, you need to find a good debian/Vista dual boot guide online, if you can get online(which since you're here i am assuming yo ucan) |
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| 02:58.46 | billybob | google -> Vista + debian dual boot hwoto |
| 02:58.48 | pipegeek | billybob: the problem is he doesn't have a windows install cd. |
| 02:58.54 | billybob | thats fine |
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| 02:59.06 | billybob | he probably just needs to set his MBR correctly |
| 02:59.19 | pipegeek | billybob: I thought he was already booted into linux |
| 02:59.23 | ftp4 | i am using etch.. and i need buildconf.. but i cannot find it anywhere.. can someone please give me a clue? |
| 02:59.48 | pipegeek | billybob: if he's happily running linux, but can't mount the ntfs partition, the latter is probably in a bad state, and can only be fixed from windows or the recovery console, neither of which he has access to |
| 02:59.49 | billybob | well, UNLESS he overwrote hius MBR, whcih then he may not be able to fixmbr without a cd |
| 03:00.10 | pipegeek | billybob: I don't think there's anything wrong with his mbr. If there were, he wouldn't be able to boot linux. |
| 03:00.10 | gluttoy | billybob, im not even interested in using linux at the moment. |
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| 03:00.28 | billybob | hold one. |
| 03:00.33 | pipegeek | one what? |
| 03:00.36 | pipegeek | ;^) |
| 03:00.44 | billybob | my pesersonal experience with vista is limited, but i know this is doable with XP |
| 03:00.53 | billybob | vista uses a different bootloader though |
| 03:00.56 | gluttoy | i need to find a download of home premium. because i have the os on my laptop, it should be legal. |
| 03:01.13 | pipegeek | billybob: regardless of bootloader, if the partition windows is installed in is in a bad state, windows will not boot. |
| 03:01.26 | pipegeek | billybob: has nothing to do with the bootloader and everything to do with data corruption. |
| 03:01.28 | gluttoy | i know. im thinking of getting ride of vista. just no untill i get my files. |
| 03:01.49 | gluttoy | pipegeek.windows uses to load until something happened to the boot loader |
| 03:01.56 | pipegeek | ooooh |
| 03:01.58 | billybob | pipegeek: there is not trustworth debian package for mounting NTFS ? |
| 03:01.59 | pipegeek | sorry, I missed that bit |
| 03:02.00 | pipegeek | shutting up |
| 03:02.14 | billybob | is no * |
| 03:02.16 | pipegeek | billybob: you can mount ntfs just fine. But it will refuse to mount if it needs to be chkdsk'ed first. |
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| 03:02.26 | pipegeek | and you can only do *that* in windows. |
| 03:02.26 | billybob | ah ok. |
| 03:02.47 | billybob | i dont use ntfs tools for windows in linux, so that i definately woldnt know lol |
| 03:02.50 | pipegeek | I mean, that sort of makes sense---we've only just finally managed to satisfactorily reverse-engineer all of ntfs |
| 03:03.02 | pipegeek | it makes sense we wouldn't have something for *fixing* it yet |
| 03:03.03 | gluttoy | yeah. i seem to have destoyed stuff.... |
| 03:03.12 | pipegeek | well, I think you can get most or all of it back |
| 03:03.19 | pipegeek | but you need to get that disk to a machine that has windows installed. |
| 03:03.37 | billybob | there is a trustworth package, i justdont know ifits availible for debian or not, that and the fact of what pipegeek already said |
| 03:03.53 | pipegeek | billybob: the state of ntfs in linux is that the kernel-mode driver is still (mostly) read-only, but there's a FUSE driver (userspace filesystem) that does full read/write and works well |
| 03:03.58 | gluttoy | pipegeek... its a laptop.... |
| 03:04.04 | pipegeek | even better! |
| 03:04.17 | pipegeek | gluttoy: there's probably a small panel underneath covering the hard drive |
| 03:04.27 | pipegeek | unscrew it, and remove it. Then |
| 03:04.28 | pipegeek | oh wait |
| 03:04.31 | pipegeek | yeah, I'm dumb |
| 03:04.44 | gluttoy | if i got it out, i wouldnt know what to do with it |
| 03:04.46 | billybob | pipegeek: he'd most likely need a 44pin to 40pin adapter ? |
| 03:04.50 | pipegeek | yeah. |
| 03:04.55 | billybob | asuming its ATA which it probably isnt if its new |
| 03:05.00 | pipegeek | either that or a laptop that supports having two hard drives |
| 03:05.19 | pipegeek | billybob: what does the laptop version of sata look like? Is it identical? Because that'd be nice |
| 03:05.30 | billybob | i havent had the chance to see one yet |
| 03:05.34 | rummik | hm...it got up to starting ssh, then i got a "UNIT BOOT FAILED" message. it's a raq2, and i'm following the instructions here: http://cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/install.html |
| 03:05.42 | billybob | i think it is exactly the same as desktop clased hardware though |
| 03:05.47 | pipegeek | ok |
| 03:05.48 | pipegeek | well |
| 03:05.50 | ftp4 | is there a buildconf for debian etch? |
| 03:05.52 | billybob | (just smaller) |
| 03:06.06 | pipegeek | gluttoy: if you're lucky, you can remove the drive, and then take it over to a friend's desktop machine with sata, and just plug it in. |
| 03:06.16 | gluttoy | i think i have sata |
| 03:06.23 | pipegeek | gluttoy: if you're unlucky (if it's PATA) you'll need an adapter. |
| 03:06.29 | billybob | what is it specifically ? |
| 03:06.34 | pipegeek | but you need to take it to a machine that supports more than one hard drive. |
| 03:06.37 | billybob | brand/model ? |
| 03:06.45 | billybob | and how new is it |
| 03:06.47 | pipegeek | boot from the first hard drive, so you can scan the second (yours) |
| 03:06.55 | pipegeek | hmmmm |
| 03:07.03 | gluttoy | im not sure about the laptop, but i have a sata card. the laptop is a hp pavilion, bough over the summer |
| 03:07.03 | pipegeek | there are also tutorials out there for engineering a windows xp livecd |
| 03:07.05 | pipegeek | which would be ideal. |
| 03:07.15 | pipegeek | almost certainly sata |
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| 03:07.35 | pipegeek | crap, though |
| 03:07.40 | pipegeek | My shift's over---have to go |
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| 03:07.46 | pipegeek | I'll be back online in about 45 minutes or so |
| 03:07.47 | gluttoy | but ill need another sata cable to hook the hd into the tower |
| 03:07.48 | pipegeek | ta ta |
| 03:07.57 | pipegeek | gluttoy: yep |
| 03:08.09 | billybob | sorry to bring the name up, for all intents and purposes, debian and ubuntu should be the same as far as dual boot setups are right ? |
| 03:08.14 | gluttoy | ah damn it..... |
| 03:08.30 | abrotman | billybob: we don't know .. |
| 03:08.32 | gluttoy | so my best bet woulld be to make the xp live cd? |
| 03:08.50 | billybob | how ould you do that ? |
| 03:08.54 | Vasistha | any recommendations for laptop purchases? I'm thinking makes, like hp, asus, lenovo, sony, etc. ... who makes linux-friendly lappys? |
| 03:08.57 | billybob | on your desktop ? |
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| 03:09.06 | abrotman | Vasistha: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 03:09.25 | billybob | and a live XP CD woulnt know how to properly setup a Vista bboot loader(most likely) |
| 03:09.29 | billybob | however |
| 03:09.39 | billybob | you MAY be able to scan the disk for errors |
| 03:09.52 | Vasistha | abrotman: a thing that dies when your car hits it? :D whoa, man, I'm sorry to hear that ... heh |
| 03:10.04 | abrotman | Vasistha: mine is still ticking! |
| 03:10.25 | gluttoy | so, how screwed am i? bit time, right? |
| 03:10.40 | billybob | just be patient |
| 03:10.47 | billybob | if nothing else you can still recover your data |
| 03:10.49 | Vasistha | abrotman: nice. of course, I'm still on my old compaq armada PII/333 MHz! But I'm beginning the shopping process for a new one |
| 03:10.59 | billybob | the OS isnt important at this oint |
| 03:11.28 | billybob | i would however contact IBM and tell them you need a recovery CD or install CD |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | Vasistha: you can find lots of info about the hardware before you buy it |
| 03:11.35 | gluttoy | i guess, when i get some free time i can go buy a new sata cable i guess |
| 03:11.54 | Vasistha | billybob: re booting ubuntu and debian, um, grub and lilo will both happily boot either or both of them, and the kernel params ought to be similar |
| 03:12.02 | billybob | gluttoy: http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first |
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| 03:12.18 | billybob | see if there is a step that you may have missed that can be corrected |
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| 03:12.38 | Vasistha | poorly titled thing, looks like it's saying "linux vista" :) |
| 03:12.58 | billybob | How to dual-boot Vista with Linux (Vista installed first) |
| 03:13.19 | gluttoy | billybod, its kinda late for that. ive alread put linux on |
| 03:13.22 | karsten | billybob: Read the Dual-Boot HOWTO at http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 03:13.44 | billybob | ,,, |
| 03:13.45 | karsten | billybob: NM... |
| 03:13.59 | billybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.25 | billybob | gluttoy: depending on how you installed grub, that may not be true |
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| 03:15.15 | billybob | for all i know is that you need to add 'windows vista' and a few parameters to your menu.1st file |
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| 03:15.32 | gluttoy | billybob, the mbr is totally screwed. and im just now remembering how i did nothing to help the problem the other day. i put a xp disk in and uses repairmbr............. |
| 03:15.38 | TurboBee | question |
| 03:15.51 | TurboBee | my iceweasel won't load certain pages unless it is run as root |
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| 03:16.02 | TurboBee | when I first installed debian I was running X with root |
| 03:16.13 | TurboBee | infact I am running X with root right now, because it won't start with regular user |
| 03:16.17 | TurboBee | how can I fix this |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | X won't start as a user either ? |
| 03:16.35 | abrotman | how are you starting X ? |
| 03:16.45 | TurboBee | startx |
| 03:16.49 | TurboBee | it started as a regular user once |
| 03:16.59 | abrotman | do you get an error ? |
| 03:17.03 | TurboBee | yea one sec |
| 03:17.23 | TurboBee | user not authorized to run X Server |
| 03:17.45 | billybob | gluttoy: in that case booting a liveCD (BartPE, or ERD), or attaching the HDD to a working windows vista install machine would be two options, and possibly your only two options |
| 03:18.18 | gluttoy | billybob. ok thanks. now i just need to hunt down a tower with vista |
| 03:18.27 | billybob | wait one more second |
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| 03:18.33 | abrotman | wtf does that have to do with debian? |
| 03:18.51 | abrotman | TurboBee: did you configure something to only allow certain users ? |
| 03:18.59 | billybob | make sure once you do anything other than scanning for errors, as soon as you can, recover your data first |
| 03:19.16 | billybob | abrotman: because debian 'borked' his windows machine ; ) |
| 03:19.19 | TurboBee | not that I am aware of |
| 03:19.25 | abrotman | i doubt debian did that |
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| 03:19.36 | billybob | hence the ' ; ) ' |
| 03:19.41 | abrotman | TurboBee: do you get a more descriptive error ? |
| 03:19.47 | TurboBee | yes |
| 03:20.14 | TurboBee | brb and I will paste it |
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| 03:23.43 | billybob | heh, all of the debian pxe server setup 'howtos' ive found are bogus |
| 03:24.22 | billybob | missing crucial steps, and walking you through setting up your directory tree incorrectly |
| 03:24.30 | abrotman | then write a better one |
| 03:24.40 | billybob | i am currently in the process of that |
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| 03:25.16 | soroush | ok |
| 03:25.19 | soroush | i installed KDE |
| 03:25.24 | soroush | im still on black screen |
| 03:25.28 | soroush | how do i start kde? |
| 03:25.44 | abrotman | do you want a GUI login ? |
| 03:25.47 | soroush | yes |
| 03:25.53 | abrotman | aptitude install kdm |
| 03:26.03 | karsten | soroush: 'startkde' is the commandline. Otherwise, install kdm and it should launch at startup. |
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| 03:26.24 | soroush | startkde command not found :S |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | soroush: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
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| 03:26.48 | karsten | !win abrotman |
| 03:26.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:27.04 | soroush | thanks |
| 03:27.08 | soroush | :) |
| 03:29.45 | abrotman | hi |
| 03:29.48 | troubled | heya |
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| 03:35.22 | Noboru | hi guys, maximal speed 1024kbps (1024 * 1024 bits per second), this equals to ?KB/s ? |
| 03:35.28 | Noboru | approximately. |
| 03:35.59 | Noboru | plus,i think kbps != Kbps ? |
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| 03:36.30 | troubled | !convert 1024 kilobits per second to kilobytes per second |
| 03:36.31 | dpkg | 1024 kilobits per second is approximately 128 kilobytes per second |
| 03:37.18 | Noboru | hi troubled |
| 03:37.19 | billybob | divide by 8 ; ) |
| 03:37.22 | troubled | generally capital K sigifies kbytes |
| 03:37.28 | troubled | hi |
| 03:37.29 | Noboru | troubled, its strange |
| 03:37.59 | Zippy2 | kbps is 1000bps |
| 03:38.06 | Noboru | troubled, i set the bindwidth to maxiume 1024kbps, i download from it i get maxiume 50KB/s how come |
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| 03:38.09 | Zippy2 | kibps is 1024bps |
| 03:38.17 | Noboru | i thought i would get 100KB/s or so |
| 03:38.29 | Noboru | my client has a 1M adsl |
| 03:38.37 | Zippy2 | 1Mbps |
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| 03:39.05 | Noboru | so to fit my maxiume adsl bandwidth,how much i should set on the server in kbps ? |
| 03:39.15 | Zippy2 | 900 |
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| 03:39.27 | troubled | Noboru: what does your isp tell you? |
| 03:39.36 | Noboru | hi troubled and Zippy2 |
| 03:39.54 | Noboru | i get maxiume 128KB/s downloading at my home |
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| 03:40.02 | abrotman | KB isn't kb |
| 03:40.19 | Noboru | i know,but that is what i see from downloading speeds |
| 03:41.01 | billybob | also, downloads has nothing to do with upstream |
| 03:41.08 | billybob | and they are most definately different |
| 03:41.12 | troubled | thats a pretty small downstream :/ |
| 03:41.24 | abrotman | it is? |
| 03:41.37 | abrotman | it's 1Mb down .. it's dsl |
| 03:41.39 | troubled | well, round' these parts it is I reckon ;) |
| 03:41.39 | billybob | yes. |
| 03:41.44 | Noboru | 128KB/s == ? kbps ? |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | 1024 |
| 03:41.53 | troubled | abrotman: he said 128KB/s |
| 03:41.56 | billybob | 6 years ago with 1.5Mbit DSL i was getting 179KB/s down speeds |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | troubled: which is 1024kbps |
| 03:42.16 | troubled | thats still slow for dsl these days |
| 03:42.27 | abrotman | troubled: you don't know which country or where he lives |
| 03:42.37 | troubled | true, never checked that :) |
| 03:42.37 | billybob | its probably about right for 1Mbit dsl |
| 03:42.42 | Noboru | 128KB/s == 1024 kbps ? |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | or how far from CO .. etc .. all that happy crap that restricts DSL |
| 03:42.50 | abrotman | Noboru: yes |
| 03:43.08 | \amethyst | Noboru: because 1B = 8b |
| 03:43.25 | billybob | as i said earlier, divide by 8 ; ) |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | divide? |
| 03:44.05 | troubled | abrotman: you prefer shl? :) |
| 03:44.07 | billybob | divide kilobits by 8 for kilobytes, yes |
| 03:44.36 | billybob | !calc 1024/8 |
| 03:44.46 | troubled | just !1024/8 |
| 03:44.57 | billybob | !1024/8 |
| 03:44.57 | dpkg | 128 |
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| 03:45.21 | axscode | how to make debian, use the bios date? |
| 03:45.24 | erpo | I want to get zfs-like checksumming of my data using the most stable filesystem driver available. Are there any filesystems other than zfs that do this? |
| 03:45.30 | troubled | axscode: hwclock --help |
| 03:45.51 | abrotman | erpo: not like that |
| 03:47.35 | Noboru | Thanks to all,i'm testing it out. |
| 03:47.38 | erpo | abrotman: Well, I'm not in love with zfs's implementation or anything. I have two disks of the same size, and I want to use them in a mirrored fashion to protect myself against hard drive failure, _and_ the possibility that the HDD (or disk controller, or whatever) will return incorrect data |
| 03:48.04 | abrotman | erpo: well .. ZFS it is! |
| 03:48.20 | troubled | erpo: make backups, use par2 |
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| 03:48.38 | Noboru | yes, 128KB/s == 1024 kbps :) thanks. |
| 03:48.51 | abrotman | we said that |
| 03:48.57 | troubled | Noboru: hopefully you didnt need to get out the abacus for that ;) |
| 03:49.05 | Noboru | the testing resolution told that too. :) |
| 03:49.11 | contrast83 | dpkg: lenny->sid |
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| 03:49.21 | abrotman | contrast83: you should already know how |
| 03:49.21 | erpo | abrotman: Is there a general consensus about the quality of the zfs-fuse driver? I haven't seen much discussion about that online. |
| 03:49.44 | contrast83 | abrotman: I'm new to Debian... Or do you mean, "If you don't know how, you shouldn't use sid"? |
| 03:49.45 | abrotman | erpo: not that i've seen .. but i'm not a zfs fanboi |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | contrast83: that's it exactly |
| 03:49.54 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 03:49.54 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 03:50.22 | contrast83 | I understand that. |
| 03:50.48 | erpo | abrotman: Is there a good reason for all the animosity I've seen towards ZFS in the Linux community? The problem is mostly Sun and its patents, right? |
| 03:50.53 | axscode | troubled: how to set my hwclock to appear in `date` |
| 03:50.57 | axscode | to be the system time |
| 03:51.07 | contrast83 | I want to experience breakage so I can learn more. I've been a bit too pampered by Ubuntu and I want to put Sid on a secondary machine I have. |
| 03:51.18 | troubled | axscode: hwclock --hctosys |
| 03:51.31 | \amethyst | erpo: some people think it was made intentionally GPL-incompatible so that Linux couldn't use it |
| 03:51.43 | \amethyst | erpo: I think that's a little paranoid myself |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | contrast83: stuff still breaks on testing .. |
| 03:52.00 | axscode | yeah works great tralala |
| 03:52.02 | axscode | troubled |
| 03:52.09 | troubled | nod |
| 03:52.12 | \amethyst | contrast83: Right now isn't a good time to install sid |
| 03:52.20 | \amethyst | contrast83: locales is uninstallable |
| 03:52.22 | erpo | \amethyst: But other than the licensing and patent issues, there are no serious objections? |
| 03:52.33 | contrast83 | \amethyst: Oh ok. Thanks for the info... |
| 03:52.48 | abrotman | \amethyst: and isn't libc6 wacky? |
| 03:52.51 | \amethyst | erpo: Some people argue that some of the ZFS features should be at a lower layer than the filesystem |
| 03:52.55 | \amethyst | abrotman: That's what I mean |
| 03:53.11 | \amethyst | abrotman: the arch:all packages from 2.7 made it into sid, but not the arch:any ones |
| 03:53.16 | contrast83 | \amethyst: So when it is a (relatively) good time to install Sid, would I just replace the instances of "testing" in my sources.list with "unstable"? |
| 03:53.26 | abrotman | \amethyst: oh .. i thouhgt you meant just locales |
| 03:53.32 | \amethyst | abrotman: so the current locales, 2.7, is not installable because libc6 is still at 2.6 |
| 03:53.59 | abrotman | \amethyst: blame canada! |
| 03:54.12 | troubled | ?! |
| 03:54.14 | axscode | how to print seconds in date |
| 03:54.27 | erpo | \amethyst, abrotman: Thank you for your information. :) |
| 03:54.30 | \amethyst | contrast83: that problem is supposed to be resolved in a week or two |
| 03:54.46 | \amethyst | contrast83: you should track the debian-devel mailing lists if you plan on running sid |
| 03:54.51 | \amethyst | s/ists/ist/ |
| 03:55.16 | contrast83 | \amethyst: Ok, will do. And at that point, I would just do what I said in sources.list, right? |
| 03:55.45 | abrotman | \amethyst: except that fact that ries is dead ? |
| 03:56.11 | \amethyst | abrotman: ries? |
| 03:56.18 | troubled | reiserfs |
| 03:56.23 | abrotman | \amethyst: ftp-master is not online currently |
| 03:56.23 | troubled | ? |
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| 03:56.45 | abrotman | \amethyst: hard to fix when you can't upload anything |
| 03:56.45 | \amethyst | abrotman: I must have missed that on the list |
| 03:56.53 | abrotman | \amethyst: d-d-a |
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| 03:59.32 | abrotman | \amethyst: find it ? |
| 03:59.56 | contrast83 | \amethyst: So what about using third-party repos designed for Sid? Will they only work if the whole system is using the Sid repos, or is that more of a YMMV kinda thing? |
| 04:00.11 | abrotman | contrast83: could go well .. go explode .. hard to say :) |
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| 04:00.16 | abrotman | er m.. could explode |
| 04:00.26 | o7andrew | debhelper: I'd like to do a net install (because it's small) but do I need to know much cli stuff to get going from there? |
| 04:00.29 | contrast83 | Heh, alright. Thanks |
| 04:00.40 | abrotman | o7andrew: nope .. just read what it shows you |
| 04:00.57 | o7andrew | ok then thanx abrotman |
| 04:01.08 | contrast83 | abrotman: Sorry to keep asking, but I just want to be sure - Once it *is* safe to install Sid, I would just replace "testing" with "unstable" in my sources.list, right? |
| 04:01.18 | n3kl | When I check my raid 5 array using "echo repair > /sys/block/md1/md/sync_action" everything is cool. Is there a way to check raid 0 configurations in the same way? sync_action does not exist. |
| 04:01.20 | abrotman | contrast83: right now .. it's not a good idea at all .. |
| 04:01.23 | o7andrew | just wondering if i needed to study apt-get beforehand |
| 04:01.46 | Wyzard | n3kl: RAID-0 has no redundancy so there's nothing to check |
| 04:01.48 | abrotman | contrast83: the server where they upload packages is broken ... so any problems will remain unfixed for an indeterminate amount of time |
| 04:02.02 | n3kl | Wyzard: so those checks are only for parity? |
| 04:02.04 | o7andrew | "ooo i think i like this.. |
| 04:02.05 | contrast83 | abrotman: I got that. I promise, I'm not going to *right now*. What I'm asking is, once it *IS* safe, that's how I would do it, correct? |
| 04:02.14 | abrotman | contrast83: yes |
| 04:02.18 | Wyzard | n3kl: yes, it checks that the redundant data is consistent |
| 04:02.19 | abrotman | !tell contrast83 about sid faq |
| 04:02.21 | contrast83 | Ok, thanks. :-) |
| 04:02.29 | abrotman | contrast83: but it's really not a good idea |
| 04:02.38 | n3kl | Wyzard: I see. So is there a way to check the integrity of the array on a raid 0 at all? |
| 04:02.41 | Wyzard | n3kl: btw, I think the command for check is "check"... "repair" might actually rebuild the parity data |
| 04:02.47 | o7andrew | oh sit ,the download packages site is working atm right??? |
| 04:02.48 | contrast83 | abrotman: What? You mean ever? |
| 04:03.06 | o7andrew | (it wasn't the other day) |
| 04:03.09 | Wyzard | n3kl: What exactly do you mean by "integrity" of a RAID-0 array? |
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| 04:03.32 | Wyzard | n3kl: The only sort of integrity that's relevant to a RAID array is that the redundant copies of data are consistent with each other |
| 04:03.34 | abrotman | contrast83: things can break .. sometimes badly .. it's really up to you .. but if you run unstable .. you're expected to do your own homework before you come here and complain about broken packages .. bugs.debian.org will be your friend |
| 04:03.35 | n3kl | Wyzard: I am not sure, I was having performance issues when I rebooted this time, and I thought it might be related |
| 04:03.35 | o7andrew | hmm how do you fsck a raid array? |
| 04:03.55 | n3kl | Wyzard: so as long as the filesystem is clean, everything should be good then? |
| 04:03.55 | contrast83 | abrotman: I realize that. Thanks for the warning though. |
| 04:04.00 | Wyzard | n3kl: You can check the physical disks for surface errors, and you can check your filesystems with fsck, but neither of those have anything to do with RAID |
| 04:04.07 | o7andrew | you kinda "bought" broken packages |
| 04:04.34 | n3kl | Wyzard: cool, thanks. Good to know. =] |
| 04:04.47 | pipeline | Schalken: Maintainer's discretion. |
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| 04:05.13 | ameyer | Wyzard: who said anything about RAID0 being redundant |
| 04:05.17 | o7andrew | do you have to do them all individually or can you check them all as one? |
| 04:05.37 | Wyzard | ameyer: It isn't; that's what I was telling n3kl |
| 04:05.46 | n3kl | ameyer: nobody |
| 04:05.52 | o7andrew | yes yes definitely RedunTanT |
| 04:06.08 | ameyer | despite what the "R" in RAID stands for |
| 04:06.25 | ameyer | Wyzard: you were implying RAID0 has redundant copies |
| 04:06.26 | o7andrew | yes yes |
| 04:06.58 | Wyzard | ameyer: No, I was saying that there's no such thing as checking a RAID0 array for consistency because there's no redundant data that needs to be consistent |
| 04:07.20 | dondelelcaro | whatever was or wasn't implied, it's now clear to everyone |
| 04:07.26 | o7andrew | ...only file system maybe |
| 04:07.26 | dondelelcaro | so lets move on |
| 04:07.33 | o7andrew | lol |
| 04:07.39 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: YAY |
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| 04:08.00 | n3kl | Wyzard: Thanks. |
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| 04:08.29 | o7andrew | (sorry, it's SeRiOuS isssues if you 'puter stops working) |
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| 04:09.24 | abrotman | o7andrew: is your shift key broken? |
| 04:10.08 | o7andrew | man i wish there was a 'whole' debian liveCD" (maybe unionfs, with a MB's driver file) |
| 04:10.18 | o7andrew | nope just "half" caps |
| 04:10.26 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 04:10.26 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 04:11.43 | dondelelcaro | and if the prebuilt ones aren't enough, you can make your own. |
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| 04:11.48 | troubled | oh noes! |
| 04:11.48 | o7andrew | knoppix doesn't want to install nicely ,and ubuntu borks on old harddrives and cdroms that are failing |
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| 04:11.48 | o7andrew | dondelelcaro: that's true |
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| 04:12.10 | o7andrew | (if i wasn't such a noob) |
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| 04:13.04 | Wyzard | Is anyone here besides me having problems with network-manager and WPA2 in sid? |
| 04:13.05 | o7andrew | bootcd" right, when I've done a bit more "you know I'm up init |
| 04:13.07 | Wyzard | It seems to have stopped working in the past few days |
| 04:13.11 | ameyer | DSL's nice, for what it is... |
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| 04:13.22 | Wyzard | but neither network-manager nor wpasupplicant has been upgraded recently, that I remember |
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| 04:13.32 | ameyer | but I'm a glutton for punishment, it seems |
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| 04:13.38 | abrotman | there is a log of what gets installed |
| 04:13.39 | o7andrew | um, yeah |
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| 04:13.43 | \amethyst | Wyzard: gnome has been, no? |
| 04:13.47 | o7andrew | lol |
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| 04:13.52 | ameyer | I mean, I run fluxbox on my desktop because I can |
| 04:13.58 | \amethyst | Wyzard: oh, past few *days*, never mind |
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| 04:14.13 | ameyer | and my laptop has 128 MB of RAM o_O |
| 04:14.14 | \amethyst | Wyzard: I'm behind the times, haven't updated in a couple of weeks |
| 04:14.17 | Wyzard | \amethyst: That wouldn't cause network-manager to fail to negotiate WPA2 encryption |
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| 04:14.52 | o7andrew | (if you're gonna do a "litttle" debian live for old machines, why not make "all" the drivers work and be a legend too?) |
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| 04:14.53 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, I've checked and there's no mention of either network-manager or wpasupplicant recently |
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| 04:15.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: check the deps? like libavahi ? |
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| 04:15.41 | ameyer | haha, poor amphi |
| 04:15.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: do you read planet.d.n ? |
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| 04:16.00 | o7andrew | (just being mean it seems, because HE only wanted what he wanted at the time and really didn't have to cater US the world) |
| 04:16.05 | Wyzard | The kernel got updated a few days ago (2.6.22-2 to 2.6.22-3) but I still have 2.6.18 installed as a backup kernel and that doesn't work anymore either, so the kernel is ruled out |
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| 04:16.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: i vaguely recall someone on planet the other day griping about somehting like that (but it was a few days ago) |
| 04:16.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope, I've seen that site once or twice but haven't visited it in ages |
| 04:16.44 | Wyzard | I'll look through it |
| 04:16.50 | abrotman | it's not on there now |
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| 04:16.54 | abrotman | and i can't recall who it was |
| 04:17.09 | Wyzard | abrotman: btw, I don't think Avahi is related since that's not involved in the actual crypto negotiation, and WPA1 works fine |
| 04:17.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200710310928 <-- seems it wasn't quite the same |
| 04:17.23 | abrotman | but it was NM!!! |
| 04:17.43 | Wyzard | ah, that's a different issue |
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| 04:18.54 | Wyzard | I see NetworkManager get to "<info> Activation (eth1) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete." |
| 04:18.56 | troubled | abrotman: you cant get rid of me that easily ;) |
| 04:19.38 | abrotman | troubled: you're the least of the problems :) |
| 04:20.27 | Wyzard | and when I checked earlier with wireshark, it was receiving keying-related messages from the access point, though trying it again now, it doesn't seem to be receiving anything |
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| 04:23.16 | Wyzard | Here we go... it's receiving 802.1X Authentication messages repeatedly from the access point, about one every second |
| 04:23.19 | Wyzard | It's just never responding to them |
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| 04:23.45 | kire | Hi! is cdrecord able to check the total-lenght of the to be burned tracks? |
| 04:23.59 | iStiKs | Does lenny/testing have vlc in the repos? |
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| 04:25.34 | kire | i'm tryin to burn a audio-cd, but i dont know how to find out the play-time of all tracks |
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| 04:27.58 | Wyzard | kire: I'm pretty sure it'll refuse to burn if the disc is too long |
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| 04:28.10 | Wyzard | kire: assuming you don't use -overburn |
| 04:28.26 | Supaplex | that's what rw is for :) |
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| 04:28.51 | kire | the last cd failed...the tracks were too long |
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| 04:29.42 | Supaplex | hasn't mp3 killed redbook audio by now? |
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| 04:30.05 | Wyzard | redbook has the advantage of being lossless |
| 04:30.11 | \amethyst | Flac then :) |
| 04:30.14 | Wyzard | though I make FLAC rips of my CDs |
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| 04:33.19 | kire | so its impossible to get the play-time of one or more tracks in the terminal? |
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| 04:36.25 | m_billybob | how much exactly does a debootstrap download with etch ? |
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| 04:36.53 | kgoetz | m_billybob: what? |
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| 04:37.04 | iStiKs | Does lenny/testing have vlc in the repos? |
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| 04:37.27 | m_billybob | i am just tryign to figure out how much in MB exactly debootstrap will download to approximate |
| 04:37.33 | m_billybob | time spent |
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| 04:38.51 | extor | Is "hwaddress ether" used to spoof mac addresses or does it server any other legit purpose? |
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| 04:38.58 | kgoetz | m_billybob: default is a miimal systemm, so ~200-300mb |
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| 04:38.58 | Wyzard | extor: Changing one's MAC address isn't always "illegitimate" |
| 04:38.58 | m_billybob | ok, cool |
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| 04:39.11 | n3kl | Anyone know a tool to encode seperate audio files out of a single audio file using a cue file to seperate the tracks and name them accordingly? |
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| 04:39.14 | extor | Wyzard I got a server that has two NICs...and I am afraid that eth0 and eth1 might be crossed over at some point when I reboot, which would spell disaster |
| 04:39.33 | oo7andrew | definitely audacity |
| 04:39.45 | CyberMadz | can someone here help me.. i have problem with my debian server, i use it for sms gateway use kannel.. well, the problems usually occur when i set delivery report for outgoing sms, then my computer become slow, and harddisk working, after that bash daemon, mysqld, and bearerbox (kannel) is crashed.. i use VMWare with HardDisk 2 GB and memory 320MB.. would you see this error log: http://pastebin.com/m1df0bb68 |
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| 04:40.38 | CyberMadz | i got those error on debian screen |
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| 04:41.07 | billybob | heh oooops |
| 04:41.18 | billybob | soundsl ike someone has sendq server issues . . . |
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| 04:41.29 | kgoetz | extor: you should use udev for that |
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| 04:42.02 | Wyzard | extor: You're concerned about cables being switched? Or kernel modules being loaded in a different order? |
| 04:42.05 | extor | hmmm udev |
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| 04:42.34 | Wyzard | extor: udev already takes care of naming your interfaces consistently based on MAC address, on current Debian systems |
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| 04:42.44 | Wyzard | extor: Take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 04:42.46 | extor | wyzard I am concerned about the kernel assigning a NIC the wrong logical name...IE if NIC#1 is eth0 then after reboot NIC#1 might become eth1 which would be disaster |
| 04:43.00 | sineer | hi, anyone else is having problem with gnome-keyboard-properties not starting in lenny ? |
| 04:43.09 | Wyzard | extor: The persistent-net file exists to avoid exactly that problem :-) |
| 04:43.10 | extor | Wyzard ahh ok...I had better take out the hwadress ether entry then |
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| 04:43.40 | kgoetz | Wyzard: anoying file that - each time you swap a nic you lose an ethx device |
| 04:44.26 | Wyzard | kgoetz: Yeah, but that's not something that's done frequently on most systems, and you can always edit it (change/delete lines) and then run udevtrigger |
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| 04:44.58 | kgoetz | Wyzard: its on my todo list at home after finding out about it, just need to remember some time ;) |
| 04:46.56 | Wyzard | Interesting... apparently libssl0.9.8 is to blame for my WPA2 problem |
| 04:47.17 | Wyzard | Downgrading it from 0.9.8g-2 to 0.9.8g-1 fixes it |
| 04:48.44 | axscode | how to make a vfat but bootable flash disk? |
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| 04:49.31 | ale777 | does anyone know how i can keep my splitted windows in screen after detaching/reataching? |
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| 04:50.11 | iStiKs | is lenny/testing suppose to have vlc in the repos? i thought i had it installed now today its gone |
| 04:50.25 | axscode | where is MBR resides? |
| 04:50.33 | axscode | on the disk or in the ram? |
| 04:50.35 | Wyzard | axscode: first sector of the disk |
| 04:50.35 | \amethyst | iStiKs: looks like it is not in lenny right now |
| 04:50.42 | axscode | thanks wyz |
| 04:50.53 | \amethyst | iStiKs: Sometimes packages get temporarily pulled to facilitate transitions, that could be it |
| 04:51.04 | iStiKs | was it just removed, i know i had it installed |
| 04:51.38 | iStiKs | will it be something that will be restored or should i compile it |
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| 04:55.55 | liable | ooh |
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| 04:59.30 | Wyzard | hmm, when reportbug says it's "checking for newer versions at packages.debian.org", it's trying to connect to 128.148.34.103, which is ries.debian.org... whereas packages.debian.org is 87.106.4.56 (puccini.debian.org) |
| 04:59.39 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, ries seems to be down |
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| 05:00.34 | peterS | Wyzard: yes, ries is down, apparently two hard disks in the raid array went bad at once |
| 05:00.58 | liable | thats a bit unfortunate |
| 05:01.03 | Wyzard | hmm, that sucks |
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| 05:01.59 | peterS | it does suck, ries is an important project machine (as 'ftp-master', it is a single point of failure in uploads to the package archive) |
| 05:02.12 | Wyzard | ah, that explains why there were no new packages in unstable today :-) |
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| 05:02.22 | peterS | heh, yeah |
| 05:02.25 | kgoetz | ouch, thats really bad ;( |
| 05:02.32 | Wyzard | It can be restored from backups, I hope? |
| 05:02.38 | peterS | they're working on it, but apparently it required overnighting new drives and stuff like that |
| 05:02.43 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:02.55 | peterS | yes, I'm sure they have recent backups, unlike most IT shops in the world (: |
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| 05:04.13 | liable | hrm, like s.d.n? ;) |
| 05:05.42 | peterS | liable: no (: that's a backup for ftp.debian.org, not ftp-master.debian.org (and indeed there are lots of backups for ftp.d.o, we have a huge mirror network). ftp-master has the upload queues and check scripts and such. and of course ries has other services on it too. |
| 05:06.25 | liable | peterS: disks died or filesystem bad? |
| 05:06.39 | peterS | liable: all I have is rumor, but I hear it was physical disks |
| 05:06.56 | liable | very unlucky |
| 05:07.12 | Wyzard | aha: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449453 |
| 05:07.24 | Wyzard | That's what was breaking my WPA2 |
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| 05:07.52 | peterS | liable: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00001.html is the official word |
| 05:07.54 | CyberMadz | can someone here help me.. i have problem with my debian server, i use it for sms gateway use kannel.. well, the problems usually occur when i set delivery report for outgoing sms, then my computer become slow, and harddisk working, after that bash daemon, mysqld, and bearerbox (kannel) is crashed.. i use VMWare with HardDisk 2 GB and memory 320MB.. would you see this error log: http://pastebin.com/m1df0bb68 |
| 05:07.56 | CyberMadz | i got those error on debian screen |
| 05:08.02 | liable | peterS: ta |
| 05:08.05 | Wyzard | Looks like there's a fixed package already, but it can't go into the archive with ries down :-) |
| 05:08.33 | liable | you can downgrade ssl though? |
| 05:08.50 | Wyzard | yeah, I already downgraded to the previous version from snapshot.debian.net |
| 05:09.27 | Wyzard | (entirely on a hunch, looking through my aptitude logs and seeing libssl0.9.8 as the only thing remotely crypto-related that'd been upgraded recently) |
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| 05:10.31 | CyberMadz | can someone here help me? |
| 05:11.23 | kgoetz | its amazing the importance some servers carry |
| 05:11.31 | liable | looks like it ran out of memory |
| 05:11.35 | kgoetz | one server can bring debian to a halt |
| 05:11.42 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: The first line of that log says "oom-killer"... that means you ran out of RAM |
| 05:11.54 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: Apparently 320MB isn't enough |
| 05:12.27 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: The slowness would probably be lots of swapping, and then the swapspace ran out and the kernel had to kill a process to free up some memory (that's the OOM killer) |
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| 05:14.13 | maher | i'm trying to run clamsmtpd and getting a can't create directory error - what should the permissions of /var/spool/clamsmtpd be? |
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| 05:15.41 | nsk | maher: look into your /etc/passwd and /etc/group to see what user clamav uses |
| 05:16.20 | nsk | maher: or in your clamav config |
| 05:16.26 | maher | nsk: i have a clamav user and a clamsmtp user |
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| 05:17.01 | maher | nsk: clamd runs as clamd and clamsmtp runs as clamsmtp |
| 05:17.22 | nsk | maher: I see, I don't use clamsmtp but I would assume the permissions should allow for clamsmtp, try it to see if it works.. |
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| 05:18.10 | maher | nsk: /var/spool/clamsmtp is drwxr-xr-x 2 clamsmtp clamsmtp |
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| 05:21.05 | nsk | maher: is there any possibility clamav needs to write there as well? I think it only needs to read though. |
| 05:22.02 | maher | nsk: hmm - it worked till i moved /var and rebooted the machine just now... |
| 05:22.07 | CyberMadz | Wyzard so how much ram is the ideal? |
| 05:22.36 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: It depends entirely on what software you're running in it |
| 05:22.40 | nsk | maher: did you change anything in the config files before rebooting? |
| 05:22.51 | maher | nsk: no - just fstab |
| 05:23.01 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: There's no single amount of RAM that's "best" for every computer |
| 05:23.34 | nsk | maher: so, if you revert back to the old fstab will it work? |
| 05:23.45 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: As a starting point, I'd double the VM to 640MB, let it run to the point where it was crashing with 320MB, and check how much RAM it has free |
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| 05:24.02 | billybob | 2GB is a good medium for any PC(desktop) |
| 05:24.20 | billybob | inexpencive and usually more than enough |
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| 05:24.32 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: Then you can think about reducing it (maybe to 512) if 640 is more than necessary |
| 05:24.43 | CyberMadz | Wyzard ok,.. |
| 05:24.43 | Wyzard | billybob: CyberMadz is talking about a virtual machine running a few specific applications, though |
| 05:25.05 | billybob | ah well in that case depends on what VM |
| 05:25.09 | maher | nsk: i don't want to reboot this machine again... |
| 05:25.09 | CyberMadz | Wyzard do you think is it possible that kannel cause it? because i use the delivery report feature |
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| 05:25.43 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: I have no idea what "kannel" is or how much RAM it needs |
| 05:25.47 | CyberMadz | the bad news is.. my laptop ram is only 512 MB :( |
| 05:26.27 | nsk | maher: ah it's a production box i see, maybe if no one knows the solution here you could ask in the clamav channel as well |
| 05:26.27 | CyberMadz | but thanks.. for help, i already post my question to kannel user group |
| 05:26.34 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: OK, looks like kannel is a WAP and SMS gateway... why are you running that on your laptop? |
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| 05:27.05 | maher | nsk: thanks for your help! |
| 05:27.28 | nsk | u welcome :) |
| 05:28.02 | billybob | well , i dont know about in vmware, but under xen a 'small' server under xen usually runs ok with 128MB of ram |
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| 05:28.53 | billybob | command line of course. |
| 05:29.17 | Wyzard | billybob: Still depends entirely on what's running within it... I have two domU's with 32MB each, but one's just doing packet forwarding, and the other is just running dnsmasq |
| 05:29.45 | Wyzard | but 32 is all they need |
| 05:30.11 | billybob | Wyzard: yeah, i was attempting iSCSI under Xen myself, never got it to work |
| 05:30.45 | CyberMadz | Wyzard i do testing.. so i can complete my work whether i'm on office, home or vacation |
| 05:31.08 | Wyzard | CyberMadz: ah, ok... well, it might be time for a RAM upgrade in your laptop, then :-) |
| 05:31.42 | axscode | where is mcopy to be found? |
| 05:31.56 | billybob | DDR is more expencive than DDR2 now days |
| 05:32.01 | Wyzard | axscode: As a guess, mtools |
| 05:32.21 | free1 | I have to say I thought the word was that the linksys wap54g was very linux friendly |
| 05:32.32 | free1 | for me it's giving me problems |
| 05:32.37 | axscode | ok downloading now |
| 05:32.42 | billybob | eh? |
| 05:32.46 | axscode | this embeded really killing me.. |
| 05:32.46 | Wyzard | free1: You might be thinking of the WRT54G |
| 05:32.51 | billybob | define 'troubles' |
| 05:33.06 | free1 | wyzard: maybe... |
| 05:33.10 | Wyzard | free1: I think the WAP54G is related, but more resource-constrained or something like that |
| 05:33.14 | CyberMadz | thanks Wyzard gtg |
| 05:33.19 | Wyzard | free1: I run OpenWRT on a WRT54GL and it works great |
| 05:34.02 | Wyzard | (though I don't actually use it for routing anymore, just as a bridging WPA2 access point) |
| 05:34.13 | free1 | wyzard, yes. you are right. it was the wrt54g |
| 05:34.32 | free1 | but does that mean the linksys wap54g is sol? |
| 05:35.05 | free1 | I can't even get the encryption to work on it |
| 05:35.14 | free1 | for ubuntu |
| 05:35.28 | Wyzard | free1: openwrt.org has hardware compatibility lists, I believe |
| 05:35.54 | billybob | 'we trsut you have recieved the usualy lecture from the local admin . . .' |
| 05:36.23 | free1 | wyzard: looking at it now. I wonder if it includes ap's as well as routers. |
| 05:37.06 | Wyzard | free1: http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware |
| 05:37.12 | Wyzard | free1: It's listed as WiP |
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| 05:38.45 | kgoetz | billybob: :( poor devs |
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| 05:39.24 | free1 | thank, wyzard. hmm, work in progress... |
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| 05:40.25 | Wyzard | free1: Might be time to return your WAP54G to the store... |
| 05:40.42 | lubos | when I start x by X command I can see mouse piinter as a cross(X) is it possible to change it to arrow? |
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| 05:42.12 | bullgard4 | What information is given in the third column of cat /proc/interrupts? |
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| 05:42.38 | Wyzard | lubos: That X is used for the root window (i.e. background), but an arrow cursor will be used in programs' windows |
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| 05:42.57 | free1 | wyzard: I'm afraid best buy don't play dat ;) |
| 05:43.01 | Wyzard | lubos: and many window managers set the root window's cursor to an arrow too |
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| 05:43.17 | Wyzard | free1: They don't take returns at all? |
| 05:43.41 | free1 | wyzard: from the howto from the link you sent me "If the reset button is next to the ethernet connector (left side of the ethernet connector), you'll brick your AP with OpenWRT " |
| 05:43.56 | free1 | I'm afraid this wap54g would be in that category. |
| 05:44.06 | Wyzard | hmm, that sucks |
| 05:44.25 | free1 | best buy usually only takes it back ... if it doesn't work. |
| 05:44.33 | free1 | in my experience |
| 05:44.45 | free1 | yeah, that does suck |
| 05:44.57 | billybob | so brick it, and return it ; ) |
| 05:45.06 | Wyzard | Good thing I've never tried to return anything to them, I guess |
| 05:45.06 | free1 | lol |
| 05:45.15 | free1 | good thinking billybob |
| 05:45.15 | free1 | haha |
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| 05:45.49 | factor | has anyone tried make-kpkg on xen source and the kernel it modifies, I cant get it to work |
| 05:45.53 | free1 | but they might pull a void warranty on me |
| 05:46.05 | billybob | yeah, i was kiding also |
| 05:46.08 | Wyzard | free1: If you do return it somehow and buy something that's supported instead, you might want to consider trying something that isn't Linksys |
| 05:46.12 | free1 | I just figured that gutsy would somehow be able to work with linksys |
| 05:46.32 | lubos | Wyzard: i'm running small perl script with zenity before I start desktop manager. Its functioning perfect but its looks very odd with a cross instead of arrow.. |
| 05:46.36 | Wyzard | free1: The WRT54GL works great with OpenWRT, but it uses a Broadcom chipset whose wireless interface has a closed-source driver that's only available for 2.4 kernels |
| 05:47.04 | Wyzard | free1: so it's basically stuck on 2.4 forever, if you want to use the wireless |
| 05:47.24 | Wyzard | free1: OpenWRT supports some other devices with other chipsets that can use 2.6 |
| 05:47.46 | dalias | someone should re the driver.. |
| 05:47.50 | dalias | or at least hack it to interface with 2.6 |
| 05:48.13 | free1 | so it's really a no go with gutsy? |
| 05:48.23 | free1 | there has to be something |
| 05:48.31 | dalias | since when is there a debian release called gutsy? |
| 05:48.35 | Wyzard | dalias: It's not really feasible to convert a binary-only driver built for a 2.4 kernel into one built for a 2.6 kernel |
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| 05:48.40 | billybob | dlink makes a pretty dahmed good PoE wireless jobby, but its not a router, and I am not sure how flexable the firmware is |
| 05:48.49 | Wyzard | dalias: It'd have to be recompiled from source, and we don't have the source to the Broadcom driver |
| 05:48.53 | dalias | wyzard, with enough binary hacking you could |
| 05:48.58 | \amethyst | Wyzard: that's why he said 're' |
| 05:49.13 | dalias | if the incompatibilities were small you might could do most of it as a wrapper |
| 05:49.17 | Wyzard | free1: What does gutsy have to do with your WAP54G? |
| 05:49.25 | dalias | but if it's poking at structures that have changed, more drastic hacking would be needed |
| 05:49.43 | Wyzard | free1: Aside from the fact that Ubuntu isn't Debian, I doubt you were trying to run Ubuntu on your Linksys device |
| 05:49.47 | free1 | well I've seen a wap54g be the access point at a loco meeting when there are install fests |
| 05:50.12 | free1 | right. I'm just trying to ... |
| 05:50.21 | free1 | enable encrytpion |
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| 05:50.29 | free1 | set passwords |
| 05:50.29 | free1 | etc. |
| 05:50.33 | Wyzard | dalias: Well, 2.4 didn't even have an 802.11 framework afaik, so each driver had to include its own |
| 05:50.38 | dalias | ahh bleh |
| 05:50.46 | Wyzard | free1: With the default firmware? |
| 05:50.46 | free1 | but when I type 192.168.1.245 in firefox |
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| 05:50.55 | dalias | linux has been notorious for that... |
| 05:50.55 | free1 | no |
| 05:51.13 | dalias | 2.4 and probably even 2.6 doesn't have a good abstract framebuffer driver layer |
| 05:51.21 | dalias | huge code duplication between drivers |
| 05:51.21 | free1 | the firmware- I'm guessing you are referring to the CD- is for xp |
| 05:51.33 | dalias | whereas drivers should be tiny, essentially just mode-setting code |
| 05:51.38 | muhoo | how can i find out if my usb interface on my pc supports usb2.0? |
| 05:51.51 | Wyzard | free1: No, the firmware is the code built into the WAP device, that makes it work |
| 05:52.03 | muhoo | also, how can i tell whether a device is connected via usb 2.0 or usb1.2? |
| 05:52.12 | free1 | but a vista laptop that I have can access everything just fine by typing the IP address |
| 05:52.21 | free1 | in explorer |
| 05:52.25 | dalias | billybob, ? |
| 05:52.29 | Wyzard | free1: If you haven't installed OpenWRT on it (or something similar like DD-wrt), you're running the default firmware |
| 05:52.38 | free1 | right |
| 05:52.47 | billybob | busybox is probably whats running on those linksys routers, that or something similar |
| 05:52.51 | free1 | ok, gotcha |
| 05:52.55 | dalias | ah |
| 05:53.04 | dalias | busybox is great |
| 05:53.08 | free1 | dd-wrt |
| 05:53.12 | dalias | it's the one project that gets smaller with each release |
| 05:53.12 | dalias | instead of larger |
| 05:53.21 | Wyzard | free1: OK, so you can access the WAP's configuration webpage from Windows, but not from Linux? |
| 05:53.25 | Highshadow | hi i am running Lenny and i had a question if anyone knows the answer to this ...... i would like to stream music out using xmms .... anyone know the packages i need or what to look for so i can to stream to a Shoutcast .... or should i look at other package? |
| 05:53.25 | billybob | ; ) |
| 05:53.25 | lubos | how to I disable logging for a news? |
| 05:53.34 | dalias | with commit messages like "cat utility reduced by 27 bytes" |
| 05:53.38 | Wyzard | free1: Are you trying to do it via a wireless connection, or wired? |
| 05:53.58 | free1 | wyzard: via wireless |
| 05:54.09 | billybob | needs to be configured fisrt off |
| 05:54.13 | free1 | I've connected my cable modem to the ap |
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| 05:54.35 | Wyzard | free1: That won't work |
| 05:54.48 | Wyzard | free1: It's just an access point, not a router, right? |
| 05:54.57 | billybob | from memory, external connections to the linksys router webpage need to come from port 8080 |
| 05:55.01 | free1 | right |
| 05:55.07 | free1 | only an ap |
| 05:55.24 | billybob | an ap and an wireless router are very similar |
| 05:55.29 | billybob | i have both here |
| 05:55.33 | Wyzard | free1: You mentioned you're trying to connect to 192.168.1.245... where did you get that IP from? |
| 05:55.42 | free1 | from the instruction manual |
| 05:55.49 | free1 | it worked on the vista machine |
| 05:55.59 | Wyzard | billybob: Would a non-router AP be expected to have a DHCP server in it? |
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| 05:56.11 | Wyzard | I'd expect it to be just a bridge |
| 05:56.11 | billybob | nope |
| 05:56.25 | billybob | butt can be configured to do so with firmware |
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| 05:56.47 | muhoo | heh heh. butt. |
| 05:56.53 | billybob | anyhow it soudns thats way out of topic here |
| 05:57.13 | billybob | his problem sounds more like user error |
| 05:57.17 | Wyzard | free1: A regular AP isn't supposed to be connected directly to your broadband -- that's what a router is for |
| 05:57.30 | muhoo | hmm, looks like lsusb -v will tell me whether something is usb2.0 or 1.2 |
| 05:57.34 | muhoo | or 1.1 or 1.0, apparently |
| 05:57.38 | dondelelcaro | and if it was, at most it should have a dhcp bridge. |
| 05:57.38 | Wyzard | free1: but if your device is handing out 192.168 IPs, then maybe it does support that; who knows |
| 05:57.56 | free1 | wyzard: the box on the linksys shows cable modems and dsl modems connected to the ap |
| 05:58.06 | Wyzard | free1: At any rate, before you can communicate with anything over the wireless network you have to be *connected* to the wireless network |
| 05:58.20 | free1 | billybob: my bad. I didn't know I was in the wrong place |
| 05:58.29 | Wyzard | free1: Has your own machine connected and gotten an IP from it? |
| 05:58.36 | free1 | yea. |
| 05:58.36 | billybob | free1: thats not what I said. |
| 05:58.44 | free1 | my bad, billybob |
| 05:58.52 | free1 | wyzard: |
| 05:59.02 | s[exe] | Are there any decent rippers for Debian? |
| 05:59.05 | free1 | I'm on wirelessly right now |
| 05:59.15 | billybob | free1: i was saying what i was talking about had nothing to do within the scope of your problem |
| 05:59.19 | free1 | it's just that I could configure everything from the vista machine |
| 05:59.25 | free1 | and on my linux box nothing |
| 05:59.39 | Wyzard | free1: hmm, so everything else works, but you can't get to the AP's own config page? |
| 05:59.43 | cbrmonger | s[exe]: to rip what? |
| 05:59.51 | free1 | wyzard: right |
| 05:59.54 | s[exe] | cbrmonger: Audio CDs to MP3 VBR |
| 06:00.03 | free1 | but what's crazy about that is that... |
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| 06:00.22 | Wyzard | free1: That doesn't make much sense, and I wonder if you're inadvertently connected to some other wireless network, maybe one belonging to a neighbor |
| 06:00.22 | cbrmonger | s[exe]: grip is quite good |
| 06:00.34 | free1 | the passwords were set from the vista machine |
| 06:00.41 | free1 | and with my linux box, never prompted |
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| 06:01.02 | Wyzard | free1: then you're not connected to your own wireless network |
| 06:01.05 | free1 | wyzard: I doubt it because mine is the only connection my laptop sees |
| 06:01.09 | s[exe] | cbrmonger: is grip gnome-only? |
| 06:01.30 | Wyzard | free1: Open a terminal and run "/sbin/route -n", find the line that says 0.0.0.0 in the Destination column, and look at the IP in the Gateway column |
| 06:01.41 | free1 | wyzard: these walls are built well- or something. cuz .. |
| 06:01.45 | axscode | hi, i have an IDE flash disk, is it the same isntalling linux on USB? whats difference is the device name? |
| 06:01.45 | billybob | Wyzard: sounds like he may have to reset the router, or he is not connecting to the right port for access to the admin pages |
| 06:01.49 | cbrmonger | s[exe]: nup, i use it with blackbox, it uses gtk2, but isn't gnome specific as such |
| 06:01.49 | free1 | oh ok .. |
| 06:01.56 | Wyzard | Is it 192.168.1.245? |
| 06:02.00 | s[exe] | cbrmonger: cool -- i'll give it a whirl |
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| 06:02.25 | billybob | 192.168.1.254:8080 sounds more like it |
| 06:02.36 | free1 | I don't see 192.etc |
| 06:02.42 | billybob | that is of course just from memory |
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| 06:02.55 | free1 | should it be under destination |
| 06:03.01 | Wyzard | free1: In the output from "/sbin/route -n", do you see a line with 0.0.0.0 under Destination? |
| 06:03.11 | free1 | yes |
| 06:03.19 | Wyzard | free1: On that line, what's under Gateway? |
| 06:03.29 | free1 | 24.148.15.1 |
| 06:03.58 | Wyzard | free1: That IP belongs to RCN Cable -- is that your ISP? |
| 06:04.06 | free1 | yezzir |
| 06:04.36 | Wyzard | free1: Looks like your AP is bridging (as I'd expect it to) -- your computer is talking straight through it and getting an IP from your ISP |
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| 06:05.03 | Wyzard | free1: Unless your ISP lets you get multiple DHCP leases (many ISPs don't), you'll only be able to have one computer at a time online this way |
| 06:05.37 | free1 | that's not good |
| 06:05.48 | billybob | its fixable |
| 06:06.04 | free1 | that defeats the purpose of having a wireless ap |
| 06:06.13 | free1 | billybob: it is? |
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| 06:06.17 | Wyzard | free1: That's why people use routers -- the router would get the single "real" IP and assign private internal IPs to machines on your LAN |
| 06:06.21 | billybob | thats not what an AP is for. |
| 06:06.35 | Wyzard | free1: An AP is for connecting wired machines to an existing wired LAN |
| 06:06.47 | Wyzard | free1: A router is for connecting a LAN to the Internet |
| 06:07.04 | DanDare | after installation of etch and mysql where´s the directory that is placed mysql databases? |
| 06:07.08 | Wyzard | free1: A "wireless router" is just a router and an AP combined in a single package |
| 06:07.16 | Wyzard | free1: Basically, you need a router but you don't have one |
| 06:07.45 | Wyzard | free1: oops, make that, an AP is for connecting *wireless* machines to an existing wired LAN (typo) |
| 06:08.13 | free1 | so when people build outdoor acces points, how do others connect to them |
| 06:08.24 | billybob | first |
| 06:08.28 | free1 | and thus have access to the internet... |
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| 06:08.32 | billybob | you're getting ahead of yourself |
| 06:08.32 | DanDare | ok /var/lib/mysql :p |
| 06:08.35 | free1 | like a hotspot at a cafe |
| 06:08.47 | Wyzard | free1: The outdoor access point isn't connected directly to the ISP, it's connected to a LAN which has a router |
| 06:08.54 | billybob | first, you're goign to need a cable modem compatible router |
| 06:09.03 | Guerin | free1: it sounds like you need to employ an network consultant |
| 06:09.07 | billybob | they do make some that are also wireless APs i think |
| 06:09.28 | Guerin | there's no such thing as a `cable modem compatible router' |
| 06:09.38 | Guerin | or rather, all routers are `cable modem compatible' |
| 06:09.58 | free1 | guerin: I have two laptops. one a vista. one gustsy. and I need a consultant? |
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| 06:10.11 | billybob | err |
| 06:10.14 | billybob | pfft |
| 06:10.14 | Guerin | free1: no, it sounds like you need an OS. |
| 06:10.26 | free1 | for which one |
| 06:10.34 | Guerin | free1: both of them. |
| 06:10.34 | free1 | I have two oses |
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| 06:10.46 | free1 | one evil. one not so evil |
| 06:10.46 | Wyzard | billybob: You're thinking of a router with a built-in modem, but free1 apparently already has a separate modem that works |
| 06:10.50 | Guerin | and neither of them are a. worth using or b. on-topic here |
| 06:11.01 | Wyzard | free1: You have two machines, and you're trying to share a single Internet connection (with a single public IP) between them |
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| 06:11.10 | Wyzard | free1: For that, you need a router |
| 06:11.18 | billybob | Wyzard: yeah, didnt stop to think mode cable modems come in as 75Ohm, and out as ethernet |
| 06:11.54 | Wyzard | free1: That's true regardless of which OSes the machines are running |
| 06:12.31 | billybob | a few ways he could do that also |
| 06:12.34 | billybob | could buy a router |
| 06:12.46 | billybob | or tturn hi NIX system into a router with 2 nics |
| 06:12.50 | free1 | ok. thanks fellas. I'll go the router route |
| 06:13.02 | free1 | thanks again |
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| 06:13.40 | Wyzard | yeah, my router is a Debian box (actually one of the 32MB Xen domUs I mentioned earlier) |
| 06:13.56 | Wyzard | but for someone not well-versed in networking, an off-the-shelf one is simpler |
| 06:13.59 | billybob | heheh, cool |
| 06:14.13 | billybob | well i am not well versed in networking but i could figure that out ; ) |
| 06:14.35 | axscode | hi, i have an IDE flash disk, is it the same isntalling linux on USB? whats difference is the device name? |
| 06:15.08 | billybob | depends but if i understand, no |
| 06:15.13 | billybob | its the same as installing IDE |
| 06:15.17 | Wyzard | axscode: It should be the same as any other IDE disk; the fact that it's flash internally is irrelevant |
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| 06:16.05 | billybob | somone else has been to addonics.com recetly i see lol |
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| 06:16.26 | Wyzard | billybob: It's actually both of the 32MB domUs, in a way -- one gets the external IP and does routing, and also keeps dyndns.org up-to-date and runs a DNS cache, while the other serves DHCP and internal DNS |
| 06:16.30 | billybob | they make some newer SATA -> flash adapters now |
| 06:16.58 | billybob | routing makes my head hurt |
| 06:17.03 | billybob | oh hey though |
| 06:17.17 | billybob | Wyzard: are you familiar with solaris at all ? |
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| 06:17.31 | billybob | this is debian related quesiton btw |
| 06:17.40 | billybob | is a * |
| 06:18.09 | Wyzard | billybob: Not really... I've installed Solaris 10 and Solaris Express in VMware but not really done much with either of them |
| 06:18.31 | billybob | Wyzard: I dont recall the exact details, but with solaris, you have the ability to bind two different IP addresses to a single nic, i was wondering if somethign similar is possible with debian, or any linux for that matter |
| 06:19.07 | cbrmonger | billybob: you sure can |
| 06:19.19 | cbrmonger | billybob: try ipconfig eth0.1 etc |
| 06:19.31 | billybob | ok then, its the same thing |
| 06:19.35 | Wyzard | cbrmonger: That's the deprecated 2.4 way |
| 06:19.44 | cbrmonger | oh :( |
| 06:19.47 | billybob | cool |
| 06:19.53 | Wyzard | billybob: Install the "iproute" package, and "ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0", etc. |
| 06:20.11 | billybob | hmmm |
| 06:20.24 | billybob | something else to man or otherwise read up on |
| 06:20.30 | Wyzard | 2.4 kernels needed alias interfaces like eth0.1 as cbrmonger mentioned, with one IP each, but 2.6 supports multiple IPs on a single actual interface |
| 06:20.46 | cbrmonger | ahhhhh |
| 06:20.50 | Wyzard | (and "ifconfig" is deprecated in favor of that "ip" tool, btw) |
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| 06:21.06 | cbrmonger | yeah, but ipconfig is just easier! and i'm lazy |
| 06:21.20 | cbrmonger | ifconfig i mean |
| 06:21.39 | billybob | somes been mucking around in windows ; ) |
| 06:21.46 | billybob | someones* |
| 06:22.12 | cbrmonger | got to earn money somehow! linux is to damn reliable! |
| 06:22.16 | Wyzard | Multiple-IP support is essential for IPv6, btw |
| 06:22.20 | billybob | pffft |
| 06:22.40 | Wyzard | since an IPv6 node uses multiple addresses in the course of normal operation |
| 06:22.48 | billybob | cbrmonger: only because the average linux user is more technicly adapt ; ) |
| 06:22.55 | billybob | adept* |
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| 06:23.15 | Wyzard | and even with IPv4, I'm surprised that it's still not commonplace to assign a link-local 169.* address even when a "real" address is also available |
| 06:23.28 | billybob | but yes, i make monies too lol |
| 06:23.37 | cbrmonger | billybob: maybe, but i find it funny that M$ are moving to the way of unixm, and away from their crap gui based system with 2008 |
| 06:23.58 | billybob | i dunno, ive yet to beta 2008 |
| 06:24.11 | bullgard4 | What information is given in the third column of cat /proc/interrupts? |
| 06:24.15 | billybob | may not even worry about it |
| 06:25.41 | billybob | cbrmonger: but since the newest desktop MS OS was/does supposed to have Unix software support built in, i dont see why not |
| 06:26.05 | billybob | anyhow |
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| 06:26.49 | billybob | Wyzard: yeah, i was trying to figure out how i could use multiple IPs on a single nic for my advantage on a pxe netboot server |
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| 06:27.45 | Wyzard | How would multiple IPs be an advantage on a netboot server? |
| 06:27.54 | billybob | i suspect the ideal way for me to do this would be to put in two nics, because I want to do a peer to peer setup with a single system over GbE(the internal network is 100Mbit) |
| 06:28.37 | Wyzard | And are you talking about the actual BOOTP/TFTP server used for PXE, or the NFS server used for the diskless client's root filesystem? |
| 06:28.52 | billybob | Wyzard: because the pxe server needs to be a DHCP server as well, and we already have a router, that will not be disabled for the other users on the network |
| 06:29.22 | Wyzard | Can you configure the existing DHCP server? |
| 06:29.40 | billybob | specificly tfptd-hpa, and pxelinux |
| 06:29.44 | billybob | i could |
| 06:29.52 | Wyzard | You don't need an additional DHCP server as long as you can configure the existing one to set the "next server" field, in the response message, to the IP of the TFTP server |
| 06:29.52 | billybob | but the other users may need that |
| 06:30.08 | Wyzard | It'd be harmless to the other users; anyone but a PXE client would just ignore that field |
| 06:30.37 | billybob | ok i asked someone else about this earlier and i did get somethign working from his help but let me explain |
| 06:30.42 | billybob | hes my issue |
| 06:30.46 | billybob | heres* |
| 06:30.50 | Wyzard | You might also want to configure a separate range of IPs for the PXE clients, and assign them static IPs by MAC address, because BOOTP-granted leases never expire |
| 06:30.50 | billybob | the pxe server |
| 06:30.54 | billybob | sincgle connection |
| 06:30.57 | billybob | GbE |
| 06:31.20 | billybob | would be used mainly for one system only |
| 06:31.24 | billybob | in my room three systems, connected to a hub currently |
| 06:31.30 | billybob | 100Mbit hub |
| 06:31.44 | billybob | two of these machines are GbE |
| 06:32.00 | billybob | one of which is the server, and the other the pxe 'victim' |
| 06:32.15 | Penix | what a waste |
| 06:32.29 | billybob | the hub connects to the rest fo the network by way of the gateway routers |
| 06:32.47 | Wyzard | Where is the existing DHCP server located relative to these three machines? |
| 06:33.00 | billybob | oh, about 600 ft away lol |
| 06:33.17 | billybob | GbE really isnt even an option |
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| 06:33.25 | billybob | because of the distance |
| 06:33.44 | Wyzard | I mean network-wise, not physically |
| 06:33.49 | Wyzard | Is it connected to the same hub, or is it on the other side of a router? |
| 06:34.06 | billybob | ok |
| 06:34.27 | billybob | server <->hub<->pxeclient |
| 06:34.30 | billybob | then hub |
| 06:34.40 | billybob | hub<->network |
| 06:35.34 | billybob | the problem *is* one nic in the server, I need to connect via ssh, but at the same time the hub isnt GbE |
| 06:35.34 | Wyzard | But what's the path between the PXE client and the existing DHCP server? |
| 06:35.56 | billybob | thruough the hub |
| 06:36.01 | Wyzard | Gigabit switches aren't very expensive, btw |
| 06:36.05 | billybob | pxecvlient has two nics |
| 06:36.16 | billybob | it would be an added cost for no reason |
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| 06:36.49 | billybob | so |
| 06:36.54 | billybob | i suppose |
| 06:36.59 | billybob | hmm that wouldnt work either |
| 06:37.21 | billybob | pxe server does not have PCIe, and the secondary nic in the pxeclient is PCIe |
| 06:37.25 | Wyzard | I'm confused as to which machines need a gigabit connection, and how you think configuring a second IP on the server would help |
| 06:37.30 | billybob | (intel prop 1000) |
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| 06:38.19 | billybob | pxeserver 1 onboard GbE controller; pxeclient onboard marvel Gbe + 1 pcie Intel pro 1000 |
| 06:38.33 | lunzi | ?? |
| 06:38.33 | sminter | what is the current development release of debian, is there something past 4.0r1? |
| 06:38.43 | Wyzard | OK, so you're thinking about running a cable directly between those two boxes, so they can communicate at gigabit speeds |
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| 06:38.59 | sminter | for some reason, i'm not seeing anything in the general mirror for a beta or alpha release |
| 06:39.29 | billybob | Wyzard: i am looking for the optimal way to do this, while maining a ssh connection between the two, and have the pxeserver still be able to connect out |
| 06:39.29 | lunzi | hello ?? |
| 06:39.29 | sminter | am i correct to assume iso's are not made of any non release versions |
| 06:39.29 | billybob | but yes |
| 06:39.29 | Wyzard | sminter: "testing" and "unstable" are what's past 4.0r1 |
| 06:39.46 | Wyzard | sminter: but aside from occasional testing snapshots (which I think are unofficial), there are no isos of them |
| 06:39.54 | Wyzard | sminter: You install stable and then upgrade |
| 06:39.54 | lunzi | ä½ å¥½?! |
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| 06:40.16 | billybob | Wyzard: optimaly while still getting a GbE connection between server and client |
| 06:40.35 | billybob | short of ICS, i cannot think of anything |
| 06:40.40 | Wyzard | billybob: You'd run the BOOTP/TFTP stuff on the gigabit NIC in the server, and configure the client to boot using PXE on its gigabit nIC |
| 06:41.10 | Wyzard | billybob: That'd get the machine's kernel loaded, and if it's using NFS for its root filesystem, that'd be over the gigabit link too |
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| 06:41.31 | Wyzard | billybob: You'd use private RFC1918 addresses on that gigabit link between the two machines |
| 06:41.51 | Wyzard | billybob: Once the PXE stage is done and the client's OS is booting up, it'd be configured to do DHCP on both its NICs |
| 06:42.17 | Wyzard | billybob: One would get a "real" IP through the hub, and the other would get a private IP over the gigabit link, the same private IP that was used for the PXE boot |
| 06:42.58 | Wyzard | billybob: At that point the client has 100mbit connectivity to the real network, and gigabit connectivity over its private link to the server |
| 06:43.16 | Wyzard | billybob: It can communicate with the server via either path; it's just a matter of which IPs you tell it to connect to |
| 06:44.12 | billybob | ok so what exactly do you mean by private RFC1918 address, i understand this is a specification, but like i said before, i am not 100% up on networking |
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| 06:44.27 | billybob | and terminology |
| 06:44.46 | billybob | you mean like 192.168.1.0, and 192.168.2.0 ? |
| 06:44.51 | simonrvn | LAN IPs, 192.168., 10., 172.XXX |
| 06:44.56 | billybob | *@.0 being the private network |
| 06:45.03 | simonrvn | (can't remember the last one) |
| 06:45.32 | billybob | err *2.0 being the private network* |
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| 06:45.36 | Wyzard | billybob: Yes, RFC1918 addresses are the reserved ranges for private use (10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x, and I don't remember the Class B one) |
| 06:46.16 | billybob | 17x octet (if my terminology is correct) i think |
| 06:46.28 | billybob | 17 <something> |
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| 06:46.32 | Wyzard | billybob: You could make the server, say, 192.168.99.1, and the client 192.168.99.2 on that private link |
| 06:46.56 | simonrvn | most folks use 192.168. or 10. |
| 06:46.58 | billybob | so basically any 192.168.* address range |
| 06:47.04 | sminter | is the current weekly build of debian testing a build of etch or sarge? |
| 06:47.07 | rummik | urgh... |
| 06:47.11 | billybob | 10.* ive been told is Mac addressing ; ) |
| 06:47.15 | Wyzard | yeah, whatever you want as long as it doesn't conflict with other stuff in your network |
| 06:47.18 | simonrvn | sminter: neither |
| 06:47.20 | sminter | i'd image etch |
| 06:47.37 | simonrvn | lenny == testing |
| 06:47.40 | sminter | simonrvn: good point, but needless to say the latest, i.e newer then 4.0r1 |
| 06:47.49 | billybob | i got pxe booting working, but still have yet to get it to boot an actual kernel |
| 06:47.53 | sminter | sikkle: preferably running 2.6.19+ |
| 06:47.55 | billybob | fun stuffs ! |
| 06:48.01 | Wyzard | billybob: There's nothing Mac-specific about it... I use 10.42.0.0/24 on my LAN, which has four Linux boxes (seven if you count Xen VMs separately), one Windows box, and zero Macs |
| 06:48.09 | billybob | im in the process of redoing everything |
| 06:48.39 | simonrvn | 10. has nothing to do with macs |
| 06:48.53 | billybob | Wyzard: i did not mean that it magicly wouldnt work for an x86 pc,i was just told years ago, those address ranges originated for Mac machines |
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| 06:49.28 | Wyzard | billybob: sounds like nonsense to me |
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| 06:49.59 | billybob | my first small home network was 10.* |
| 06:50.02 | Wyzard | Those reserved addresses were probably defined before Macs even supported TCP/IP :-) |
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| 06:50.05 | simonrvn | i think you might be thinking of 162.254.x.y, and that's for a dhcp client not finding a dhcpd to get an ip from; it's called "zeroconf" nowadays |
| 06:50.14 | billybob | 10.0.00 actually |
| 06:51.08 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like RFC1918 is from 1996, which doesn't predate Mac TCP/IP support... oh well |
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| 06:51.58 | Wyzard | simonrvn: 169, not 162, I believe |
| 06:52.25 | simonrvn | (that was an example anyway, it's for any host that doesn't somehow get attributed an ip through internal or external configuration, hence "auto conf") |
| 06:52.29 | billybob | i do nowknow that youcannot just go picking random IPs, though i am not 100% sure of the implections |
| 06:52.32 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yeh 169 |
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| 06:53.01 | Wyzard | 169.254.*.* is IPv4 link-local, which IMO ought to be configured on every interface, even if it has a "real" IP too |
| 06:53.07 | billybob | i doubt a hardware issue could happen, but i imagine it could render an OS install borked |
| 06:53.19 | Wyzard | They're not mutually exclusive |
| 06:53.25 | simonrvn | billybob: routers and hosts get confused and send packets to the wrong machines |
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| 06:54.06 | Wyzard | billybob: If you use a "public" IP range for your LAN, it's impossible to communicate with the machines on the Internet that have those addresses |
| 06:54.42 | slapfaceware | in email, what's cc and bcc? |
| 06:54.52 | bullgard4 | What information is given in the third column of cat /proc/interrupts? |
| 06:54.54 | billybob | ah, so what you're saying, is that i should use the IP the gateway device is using for a gateway ? |
| 06:55.01 | billybob | lol wouldnt that be fun ; ) |
| 06:55.13 | Wyzard | (assuming you have that address range configured in your routing table; otherwise it's impossible to communicate with other machines on your LAN because the traffic goes out to the Internet instead) |
| 06:55.19 | simonrvn | carbon copy, back carbon copy. bcc is used when you want to hide the recipients for some reason |
| 06:55.52 | Wyzard | billybob: You won't configure a gateway on the private gigabit link |
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| 06:56.19 | billybob | yes, ive been told not to do that |
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| 06:56.38 | billybob | no gateway, and no router |
| 06:56.42 | Wyzard | right |
| 06:56.46 | Wyzard | Just an IP |
| 06:56.50 | billybob | well |
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| 06:57.02 | simonrvn | Wyzard: eh, it's a good idea, but i find that annoying. esp. when you go wtf it's active, what's the ip? oh crap that effing autoconf *again* ;p |
| 06:57.03 | billybob | dhcp on the client, and a DHCPd on the server |
| 06:57.06 | Wyzard | since the gigabit link isn't used for communicating with the outside world (that's what the 100mbit link is for) |
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| 06:57.54 | billybob | i think i missed the part above how my server would connectto the rest of the world |
| 06:58.02 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Well, it should have a link-local address automatically anytime the interface is up, but shouldn't cause it to be up just for the sake of having an address |
| 06:58.20 | Wyzard | billybob: It has a 100mbit NIC in addition to the gigabit NIC, right? |
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| 06:58.38 | Wyzard | billybob: and the 100mbit NIC is connected to the hub which is connected to the rest of the world |
| 06:58.38 | billybob | just the client does |
| 06:58.50 | Wyzard | billybob: Oh, I thought you said the server has two NICs too |
| 06:58.55 | billybob | and the card is not swapable |
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| 06:58.55 | simonrvn | Wyzard: ipv6 does it. ipv4 is a bit more "stubborn" about IPs |
| 06:59.08 | simonrvn | Wyzard: er, does it well |
| 06:59.21 | Wyzard | billybob: You'll need to put a second NIC in the server, then, unless you want to configure the client to act as a router for the server (which would be a rather ugly setup) |
| 06:59.25 | billybob | in short the server is an AGP/PCI system and the client is a PCIe/PCI machine |
| 06:59.34 | billybob | hmmm |
| 06:59.44 | Wyzard | billybob: AGP/PCI/PCIe is irrelevant as far as network configuration goes |
| 06:59.53 | billybob | i guess i could gut an older syste assuming one of the nics still worked in one |
| 06:59.57 | Wyzard | billybob: Just get a PCI NIC and put it in the server |
| 07:00.06 | Wyzard | 100mbit PCI NICs are extremely inexpensive |
| 07:00.10 | billybob | Wyzard: its realitive in whati can move fro mone system to the next |
| 07:00.10 | Wyzard | like... $5 USD |
| 07:00.19 | billybob | because the intel pro card is PCIe |
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| 07:00.33 | Wyzard | billybob: Right, but you wouldn't want to take a NIC out of the client anyway |
| 07:00.33 | billybob | otherwise id have done that long ago : ) |
| 07:00.42 | Wyzard | billybob: You need two NICs in *both* the client and the server |
| 07:01.08 | billybob | ok, one simple question about pxe |
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| 07:01.47 | billybob | i am thinking once this is all setup, i could do a debootstrap, etc and then later mount this chroot as a pxeboot image ? |
| 07:02.09 | billybob | err pxeboot /root |
| 07:02.18 | jcims | i'm thinking of running xen guests on an encrypted filesystem, is there a particular option for encrypting the filesystem that would be recommended? |
| 07:02.23 | Wyzard | Is "pxeboot" a specific program, or are you talking about something more general? |
| 07:02.23 | jcims | i'm only familiar with using truecrypt |
| 07:02.41 | jcims | i haven't tried any of the more native encryption options |
| 07:02.50 | Wyzard | jcims: Debian's installer supports both dm-crypt and loop-aes in the partitioner, during installation |
| 07:02.59 | Wyzard | jcims: (dm-crypt is preferable IMO) |
| 07:02.59 | billybob | Wyzard: just a pxe boot mount point |
| 07:03.12 | billybob | err root mount point |
| 07:03.16 | Wyzard | billybob: Keep in mind, PXE has nothing to do with mounting anything |
| 07:03.37 | billybob | Wyzard: i understand, i am talking about root_pivot i think |
| 07:03.42 | jcims | Wyzard: can dm-crypt work with raid? |
| 07:03.55 | Wyzard | billybob: PXE is for setting up network access (i.e. an IP) and downloading a kernel |
| 07:03.59 | billybob | pivoting root to a previously deboostraped 'chroot' |
| 07:04.14 | Wyzard | billybob: What the kernel mounts is a completely separate issue... on a diskless system it'd typically be NFS |
| 07:04.20 | billybob | my terminology most lkely sucketh |
| 07:04.43 | billybob | what *if* i didnt want to use NFS ? |
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| 07:04.57 | billybob | or, short of iscsi is that not an option ? |
| 07:05.09 | Wyzard | jcims: Yes, you can encrypt the individual disks (tedious, since you have to type a passphrase for each at boot time), or encrypt the array itself (so there's just one passphrase to type, and the encrypted data gets mirrored or whatever by the RAID) |
| 07:05.22 | Wyzard | jcims: I'm using LVM on dm-crypt on RAID-5 on this box |
| 07:05.35 | jcims | ok...this is going to be a colo install, so i don't want to require a password at hardware boot |
| 07:06.08 | Wyzard | billybob: Well, you need to mount something from *somewhere* -- NFS, SCSI (remote or networked), IDE/SATA, etc. |
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| 07:06.27 | jcims | thus the thought of running it in xen, so i can boot the main os w/o crypto, then run the VM on an encrypted filesystem |
| 07:06.30 | Wyzard | jcims: Are you aiming to encrypt the entire system (root filesystem and everything), or just a data partition which can be optionally mounted later? |
| 07:06.42 | jcims | probably the latter |
| 07:06.47 | billybob | Wyzard: i was hoping to be able to use specific mount point, one that is local to the server |
| 07:07.07 | Wyzard | jcims: OK, so the real box would boot normally, and you'd manually log into it and launch the Xen VM, providing its boot passphrase at that time |
| 07:07.16 | jcims | yep! |
| 07:07.25 | Wyzard | billybob: Local to the *server*? |
| 07:07.30 | Wyzard | billybob: It's the client that needs to mount it, though |
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| 07:07.57 | billybob | Wyzard: hmm, so this is done through NFS then diskless booting ? |
| 07:08.06 | Wyzard | billybob: If it's on one of the server's local disks, you'd need to use something networked, like NFS or iSCSI or whatever (depending on how you want to access the storage) |
| 07:08.34 | billybob | yeah i guess i was just thinking the data was pumped via osmosis : / |
| 07:08.34 | Wyzard | I don't have any hands-on experience with diskless booting, but my understanding is that it's typically done with either NFS, iSCSI, or ATA-over-Ethernet |
| 07:08.54 | billybob | well i would like to use iscsi but thats at a later time |
| 07:08.58 | billybob | and AoE is junk |
| 07:09.09 | Wyzard | jcims: In that case you could set up the Xen system with the RAID array and LVM on top, and create a small logical volume for dom0's filesystem |
| 07:09.14 | billybob | just for the sake of arguments ; ) |
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| 07:09.29 | Wyzard | jcims: and a large logical volume which would act as the domU's encrypted disk |
| 07:09.54 | billybob | well hell that would probably explain why my diskless boot never made it past the PXE bootloader lol |
| 07:10.09 | jcims | ok...and dm-crypt is a device mapper, right, so it fits in with the LVM scheme? |
| 07:10.25 | jcims | (just starting to read up on it now). i have RAID going already, but it looks like i need LVM too |
| 07:10.29 | Wyzard | jcims: When you log into dom0 and start domU booting, you'd then have to use "xm console" to see domU's console where it's prompting you for the passphrase to unlock its disk |
| 07:10.29 | jcims | may just reinstall |
| 07:10.34 | jcims | ok |
| 07:10.43 | jcims | thanks for all the help! |
| 07:10.43 | Wyzard | jcims: Well, dm-crypt and LVM2 both use device-mapper, but they're independent of each other |
| 07:10.47 | jcims | oh |
| 07:10.52 | Wyzard | jcims: You don't *have* to use LVM |
| 07:11.04 | jcims | ok, looks like i have some homework to do. :P thanks |
| 07:11.26 | Wyzard | jcims: You could just have a single big filesystem filling the entire RAID array, which would be mounted by dom0, and then create a big file within that filesystem which would be domU's virtual disk |
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| 07:11.53 | Wyzard | jcims: LVM would be preferable IMO, but either would work |
| 07:12.18 | jcims | Wyzard: ok... i think your last recommendation is kind of what i had in mind |
| 07:12.41 | jcims | i'm just learning Xen too, so the dom0 and domU nomenclature isn't gelling, but it will make sense shortly i'm sure. |
| 07:13.07 | billybob | dom0 == domain0 |
| 07:13.11 | billybob | think of it like that |
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| 07:13.30 | Wyzard | jcims: dom0 is the "main" VM, the one that boots initially, and domUs are additional VMs which are launched by dom0 (typically in its startup scripts) |
| 07:13.48 | jcims | ah, dom0 is the 'host' in VMWare parlance? |
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| 07:14.02 | billybob | dom0 == domain zero ; ) |
| 07:14.03 | billybob | but yes |
| 07:14.07 | billybob | "host" |
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| 07:14.10 | Wyzard | jcims: Basically, though in Xen it's technically a virtual machine itself (but with special privileges) |
| 07:14.26 | jcims | vs. "guest" that is..ok, the other stuff makes sense now |
| 07:14.33 | lkthomas | anyone running QoS on debian ? |
| 07:14.42 | jcims | i saw reference to dom0 in other stuff and was thinking that was just the first 'additional' VM |
| 07:15.00 | jcims | gelling...still wobbly, but better :) |
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| 07:15.41 | Wyzard | jcims: More accurately, every domain (including dom0) is a virtual machine under the Xen hypervisor, but dom0 has privileges that domUs don't, for directly accessing hardware and starting/stopping domUs |
| 07:15.50 | Wyzard | jcims: Think of the 0 in domU as being analogous to root's UID of 0 |
| 07:15.55 | jcims | that's pretty cool |
| 07:16.27 | simonrvn | and what's this hypervisor? |
| 07:16.48 | billybob | google + xen hypervisor |
| 07:16.53 | billybob | lol |
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| 07:16.57 | simonrvn | hah :) |
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| 07:17.06 | billybob | evertime i read what it is, i forget |
| 07:17.11 | simonrvn | but yeh you're right, i can just go look for it |
| 07:17.22 | jcims | i'm just cranking along this howto, it's pretty good (so far): http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_from_debian_repository |
| 07:17.40 | billybob | let me look at that |
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| 07:17.50 | billybob | you rolling your own or from binaries ? |
| 07:18.03 | simonrvn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen |
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| 07:18.03 | Wyzard | jcims: However, if you're installing Debian in a domU, you'll be using a script that does a debootstrap, rather than using Debian's interactive installer which supports setting up encrypted partitions and such |
| 07:18.31 | billybob | peh, that howto hurts my eyes |
| 07:18.31 | jcims | that's fine...i think if i just drop the .img files into an encrypted filesystem, i'll be happy |
| 07:18.48 | jcims | i'm using the same here, so far it has been super simple |
| 07:19.10 | billybob | well atleast the etch packages work |
| 07:19.14 | jcims | i will probably run snort on dom0 and am bridging to the other domains |
| 07:19.28 | billybob | ubuntu dapper/edgy packages were borked |
| 07:19.36 | simonrvn | "Virtual machine monitors (also known as hypervisors)..." |
| 07:19.39 | billybob | several month ago that is |
| 07:20.26 | jcims | this is just a backup dns/smtp server, i just don't want someone hauling off with it while there's a potential for spooled mail |
| 07:20.26 | simonrvn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor |
| 07:20.30 | Wyzard | billybob: dapper/edgy are somewhat old |
| 07:20.35 | billybob | simonrvn: from memory its much more complex than just a 'supervisor' though, its pretty complicated |
| 07:20.40 | billybob | kind of like local I/O router of sorts |
| 07:21.20 | Wyzard | simonrvn: It's like a lightweight kernel that manages access to resources (RAM, PCI devices, etc.) |
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| 07:21.55 | Wyzard | simonrvn: The kernel is modified such that rather than directly accessing those resources, it makes a "hypercall" (analogous to a system call) to ask the hypervisor to do it on its behalf |
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| 07:22.37 | nvz__ | !test |
| 07:22.37 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:22.41 | nvz__ | figures |
| 07:22.42 | billybob | paravirt and HVM are differnt that why i thik arent they ? |
| 07:22.42 | Wyzard | like, configuring a PCI device or doing a CPU context switch |
| 07:23.00 | Wyzard | yeah, what I described is paravirt |
| 07:23.00 | billybob | that way* |
| 07:23.05 | nvz | that would explain why the laptop just went offline and can't find any APs :P |
| 07:23.25 | Wyzard | HVM doesn't use a modified kernel, but uses hardware to intercept the kernel's trying to talk to real hardware, and emulates it in the hypervisor instead |
| 07:24.04 | Wyzard | VMware's approach is similar to HVM, but with the trapping done in software rather than hardware (which is less efficient) |
| 07:24.21 | simonrvn | Wyzard: i'm reading the wikipedia article ;). thanks |
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| 07:26.29 | nvz | ugh, you know what time it is.. |
| 07:26.48 | nvz | .... followed by a 1 finger salute |
| 07:26.52 | billybob | miller time ? |
| 07:26.52 | jcims | dang that was simple |
| 07:26.52 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:27.30 | xored | how is the tool named which i can use for wrapping a port ? |
| 07:27.46 | jcims | tcp ports ? :P |
| 07:27.53 | billybob | Wyzard: anyhow i hope to eventually have several boot 'images' as tools used for repairing PCs |
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| 07:28.11 | nvz | occationally the Wifi on this laptop just craps out :P Its either shitty hardware, Windows Vista just sucks (obviously) or something is buggy in the driver or the damn HP Wireless Assistant (whatever the hell that even does) |
| 07:28.16 | billybob | memtest86, BartPE(for windblows boxen), etc |
| 07:28.20 | Wyzard | billybob: Netbooted with PXE? |
| 07:28.24 | nvz | you pretty much gotta restart to fix it |
| 07:28.28 | billybob | yeah |
| 07:28.42 | Wyzard | billybob: memtest86 is basically a (tiny) kernel, so PXE should be all you need for that |
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| 07:29.05 | Wyzard | billybob: I don't know much about BartPE, but if it expects to find files on a CD or floppy or whatever, getting it to netboot will be rather tricky |
| 07:29.43 | Wyzard | billybob: Why not just burn CDs? |
| 07:29.56 | Wyzard | billybob: That way you can do repairs without having to plug the box into a specific network |
| 07:30.04 | billybob | yeah, im not sure how everythign is goin to work, but i am confident i am going to learn a thing or two before this is al lsaid and done lol |
| 07:30.27 | billybob | Wyzard: because GbE speeds would be much greater than CD speeds |
| 07:30.41 | billybob | time *is* money |
| 07:30.54 | Penix | didn't you say you were using a 100mbit hub? |
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| 07:32.34 | billybob | Wyzard: also, it would be a chalange, i enjoy a good challange in my spare time |
| 07:32.51 | simonrvn | s,lan,len, |
| 07:33.00 | Wyzard | billybob: I doubt there'd be that much of a difference, especially since you're only going to be running the systems temporarily that way anyway |
| 07:33.18 | Wyzard | billybob: You'd spend more time setting it up than you'd save by not using CDs |
| 07:33.36 | billybob | i enjoy learnign this sort of thing however |
| 07:34.50 | Wyzard | billybob: Well, BartPE seems to be a Windows liveCD, and I'm pretty sure Windows is not netbootable |
| 07:35.24 | billybob | ah, but it is |
| 07:36.08 | billybob | not sure about BartPE |
| 07:37.10 | billybob | people have already booting windows using RIS, iscsi + ms's software initiator(win2k3) and one OOS project uses a rom emulator of some sort for booting isccsi and AoE |
| 07:37.58 | Wyzard | You can't share an iSCSI disk between multiple clients though |
| 07:38.07 | billybob | what i am hoping that i could do eventuall it hacking an initrd into using iscsi booting, in which case i couldnt have any issues |
| 07:38.13 | billybob | you can |
| 07:38.28 | billybob | read only is reccommended however |
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| 07:38.36 | Wyzard | You could put Windows or BartPE or whatever on an iSCSI target, but you can't have more than one machine mount the same filesystem at the same time |
| 07:38.37 | billybob | which isnt a problem |
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| 07:38.52 | Wyzard | Well, read-only would avoid damaging the filesystem |
| 07:38.56 | Wyzard | but I'd be surprised if Windows can boot from a read-only hard drive |
| 07:39.08 | joobie | guys anyone know any good media center channels for linux on freenode? |
| 07:39.13 | billybob | that remains to be seen |
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| 08:05.06 | cico | !testing |
| 08:05.07 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 08:05.12 | joobie | ta sm |
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| 08:05.29 | cico | I am running Etch and I want to upgrade to Lenny. what do I have to do? |
| 08:05.39 | Vasistha | !etch->lenny |
| 08:05.41 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 08:05.44 | cico | just remove the etch entries in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install ? |
| 08:05.54 | Vasistha | cico: ^^^ |
| 08:05.54 | cico | sorry, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? |
| 08:05.58 | cico | ok |
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| 08:06.21 | cico | how is apt-get upgrade different from apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 08:06.42 | Vasistha | cico: dist-upgrade is more liberal about temporarily breaking dependencies in order to make the upgrade happen |
| 08:07.10 | cico | Vasistha: if it asks for kernel upgrade what should I do? it prints a scary message whenever some kernel related thing happens. |
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| 08:07.25 | Vasistha | cico: are you running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:07.39 | cico | uname -a --> Linux andromeda 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:08.20 | Vasistha | cico: have you not been doing security updates/upgrades? I have 2.6.18-5 |
| 08:08.54 | cico | Vasistha: I have been doing apt-get update and apt-get install <specific-package-I-want-to-update> |
| 08:09.06 | Vasistha | cico: honestly, if you're scared by a message that you're getting from doing a stable security upgrade, I dunno how well you're going to do running lenny. |
| 08:09.06 | cico | Vasistha: how can I do a security update? apt-get update and then what? |
| 08:09.15 | Vasistha | cico: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:09.46 | cico | Vasistha: apt-get upgrade upgrades all packages for which new upgrades are available? |
| 08:10.14 | Vasistha | cico: yeah, although if you're running a stable system, that SHOULD only be security-related upgrades |
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| 08:10.31 | cico | Vasistha: can I also do? apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to do the security-related upgrade? |
| 08:11.35 | Vasistha | cico: if you only have etch in your sources.list then my guess is that it ought to be equivalent; however, there is absolutely no reason to type dist-upgrade when all you need is upgrade; and furthermore I might be wrong and there may be dire consequences. |
| 08:11.40 | Vasistha | It's also a bad habit to be in, in general. |
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| 08:16.08 | cico | I am doing apt-get update; apt-get upgrade for etch. after it is complete, should I restart my system to make sure everything is fine? |
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| 08:17.10 | elenril | where does vim look for wordlists? |
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| 08:17.39 | elenril | i have vim-spellfiles-cs installed, but vim still says it can't find the wordlist |
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| 08:18.33 | cico | Vasistha: I am getting a lot of non-security updates also, e.g. - Get:2 http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main initramfs-tools 0.85h [62.7kB] |
| 08:19.10 | cico | Vasistha: but you said there should be only security related updates if I do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. then why am I getting about 100 updates from ftp.us.debian.org stable/main ? |
| 08:19.49 | Vasistha | cico: if you haven't been doing security upgrades, then there probably have been 100 of them |
| 08:20.05 | cico | but security upgrades should come from security.debian.org, isn't it? |
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| 08:20.14 | Vasistha | cico: the fact that it is coming from a different repo is not necessarily an indication that it isn't a security upgrade |
| 08:20.26 | cico | I have only two repos added to my sources.list |
| 08:20.32 | cico | one is security.debian.org |
| 08:20.40 | cico | another is ftp.us.debian.org from where I install all packages. |
| 08:20.47 | mic_p | Hi all. A fdisk question. I create a partition specifying the number of cylinders, and the p command show me the right number, but after the w and re-enter into the fdisk, I see the a wrong number of it... What can be? This is the first time that I see this behaviour! (I'm on etch) |
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| 08:20.57 | cico | Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 [16.3MB] <-- this is the only update coming from security |
| 08:21.00 | Vasistha | cico: security upgrade has to do with the version that it is being upgraded to. When a security upgrade is released, first it is released to security.debian.org, and then it makes its way to the other mirrors |
| 08:21.00 | Kodess | is installing the nvidia drivers via debs more preferable than via their *.sh script? |
| 08:21.11 | cico | ok |
| 08:21.22 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 08:21.22 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 08:22.10 | Kodess | i read that |
| 08:22.48 | cydork | Kodess: yes, debian way is preferable.. |
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| 08:23.26 | Kodess | cyzie: ok |
| 08:23.57 | Vasistha | mic_p: hum. honestly, I would be inclined not to worry too much about it... partitioning by cylinders is a rather old-fashioned way of managing a disk; AFAIK different programs define "cylinders" differently, and nowadays the hard drive firmware just kinda takes care of that stuff for us, and the driver guys just don't have to worry about it much anymore |
| 08:24.31 | Vasistha | mic_p: ...unless you've got a really old machine! What year were the machine and the drive manufactured? |
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| 08:27.22 | mic_p | Vasistha: I also tried with number of MB (+10000M), but the result it's the same (same number of cylinders before and after). The disk it's new (WD 250GB), but the machine it's a AMD1300. I think that it's the MB or the bios... :(. With another hd (WD 80GB) all work! |
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| 08:28.58 | Vasistha | mic_p: the processor type+speed don't really tell me when the bios was manufactured, so ... again, when was the computer manufactured, do you have any idea? I can tell you that my lappy here was manufactured in '99, and I usually just ignore those cylinder counts, and everything just works. If you had an 80 GB drive working previously, a 250 GB drive oughtta be just fine, however you do it |
| 08:30.43 | cico | Vasistha: what is your linux kernel version, you said? |
| 08:30.57 | Vasistha | 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 08:32.46 | cico | Vasistha: In apt-get upgrade, I got this:- Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 [16.3MB] |
| 08:32.47 | cico | why didn't I get the 2.6.18-5 ? |
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| 08:32.47 | mic_p | Vasistha: you are right! I have an old sis 745 chipset, the MB are and asus (I think) a7s333. The 80GB are a sata with a pci-sata card and 250 are an ide directly connected. Can be this? |
| 08:32.47 | Vasistha | cico: hmm, lemme check, maybe it's an SMP thing |
| 08:33.11 | cico | This is my uname -a output: Linux andromeda 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:33.20 | cico | Vasistha: could you please post yours? |
| 08:33.22 | stew | cico: apt-get upgrade doens't install new packages. since you don't have the linux-image-2.6.18-5 package installed now, there is no way that apt-get upgrade would install it |
| 08:33.46 | cico | stew: so what should I do to get the new linux-image? |
| 08:33.59 | Vasistha | oh yeah, that's right, duh :) |
| 08:34.12 | cico | Vasistha: then how come you have 2.6.18-5? |
| 08:34.22 | stew | cico: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 08:34.30 | cico | stew: ok |
| 08:34.33 | Vasistha | cico: because I did what stew quoted there ;) |
| 08:34.44 | cico | ok |
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| 08:40.26 | chuckkh | I have some manpages with the same names; how can I specify which I want to view? |
| 08:40.53 | chuckkh | canvas.3caca.gz and canvas.3tk.gz |
| 08:41.11 | chuckkh | both in man3 |
| 08:41.27 | bullgard4 | What is the function of the loaded module 'serio_raw' (Raw serio driver'? |
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| 08:41.46 | stew | chuckkh: does "man 3caca canvas" and "man 3tk canvas" work? |
| 08:41.46 | xingu | chuckkh: they can't have exactly the same names if they're both in exactly the same section |
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| 08:42.20 | xingu | what stew said. |
| 08:42.34 | chuckkh | stew: hallelujah thanky |
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| 08:43.46 | chuckkh | tab completion doesn't seem to work with it |
| 08:44.11 | chuckkh | rather it doesn't differentiate... interesting |
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| 08:45.50 | Vasistha | bullgard4: heh, I've wondered the same thing myself. Have you asked google? |
| 08:46.10 | bullgard4 | yes |
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| 08:47.06 | xored | i about to install a new debian etch for my dedicated server ( apache / mysql .. webhosting only ) any cons against a 64 bit system ? |
| 08:47.39 | cydork | xored: none for server.. i guess you have enough ram though. |
| 08:48.05 | xingu | bullgard4: the /dev/psaux api sucked; so post-input-events merge, now it's emulated (by serio_raw) |
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| 08:49.10 | bullgard4 | xingu: Thank you very much. |
| 08:49.13 | xingu | bullgard4: much better to teach your apps about evdev/ /dev/input rather than continue to use it |
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| 08:49.22 | soroushh | i just installed a fresh debian |
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| 08:49.54 | noborusan | is it normal that with hardware firewall will slow down speeds ? |
| 08:49.57 | soroushh | when i type "Startkde" i get "Kpersnalizer: cannot connect to X server" :S and it just spams it |
| 08:50.30 | cico | I am having apt-get upgrade, but I have to kill it in the middle for some urgent task |
| 08:50.36 | cico | how can I resume the apt-get upgrade afterwards? |
| 08:50.41 | xored | cydork: 2GB |
| 08:50.43 | xingu | noborusan: speed of light through glass/ copper is quantifiable. |
| 08:50.48 | Vasistha | well, all the traffic has to go through that firewall, and it certainly COULD make a bottleneck. Have you measured the speed differences? |
| 08:51.14 | cydork | xored: no problem then.. |
| 08:51.25 | noborusan | xingu, ? pardon |
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| 08:52.00 | xingu | noborusan: any coupling/ interface will "slow down speeds" |
| 08:52.19 | xingu | noborusan: even a completely passive one |
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| 08:53.34 | noborusan | xingu, i am totally lost,i guess you are trying to explain something for me ? |
| 08:53.38 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.24 | Vasistha | cico: I think if you just do apt-get upgrade again, it ought to resume where it was. Same goes for dist-upgrade, which crashed on me once ;) |
| 08:54.25 | noborusan | xingu, the data-centre setup a 1G hardware firewall on my server,but once its on,its slow, dont have to use data to test how slow it is,but feelings tell it already |
| 08:54.45 | noborusan | :( |
| 08:54.46 | soroushh | does debian support gnome?????! |
| 08:54.54 | tarzeau | soroushh: yes |
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| 08:55.09 | soroushh | major difference between KDE and Gnome? |
| 08:55.12 | tarzeau | soroushh: can you find something that debian doesn't support? |
| 08:55.27 | SoulChild | hey all, i have a Core2Duo T7100 with 64bit support, which debian version do i need to install? amd64 or x86 ? |
| 08:55.28 | tarzeau | soroushh: kde uses qt, gnome gtk |
| 08:55.35 | soroushh | qt? |
| 08:55.38 | tarzeau | soroushh: they look and act different, but much like windows |
| 08:55.42 | tarzeau | !qt |
| 08:55.42 | dpkg | i guess qt is a cross-platform toolkit developed by TrollTech Inc, that works across UNIX (X11), Windows, and Mac (http://www.trolltech.com). To compile packages (mainly KDE) using it on Debian, try: --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 |
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| 08:56.04 | tarzeau | SoulChild: both work |
| 08:56.11 | tarzeau | SoulChild: if you need flashplayer/adobe acrobat go for i386 |
| 08:56.12 | xingu | noborusan: first thing, the only "hardware firewall" I'm aware of is a pair of cable cutters; second, you probably want to either research how to use tools like netperf and wireshark to isolate the actual problem, or employ someone who already knows |
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| 08:56.26 | soroushh | does debian come with Gnome as standard? |
| 08:56.41 | SoulChild | tarzeau: but do i not loose speed if i use 86 |
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| 08:56.59 | Vasistha | soroushh: gnome is the default DE -- if you install a "desktop" system, then it'll install gnome by default. |
| 08:57.07 | soroushh | ok thanks |
| 08:57.18 | tarzeau | SoulChild: not really |
| 08:57.21 | ertg | Hi! I' ve debian etch, and i' d need glibc 2.4, but etch contains only glibc 2.3.6. How can i upgrade it in a painless mode? |
| 08:57.22 | tarzeau | SoulChild: depends what you do |
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| 08:57.38 | noborusan | xingu, oh |
| 08:57.58 | tarzeau | ertg: you can't |
| 08:58.09 | tarzeau | ertg: you can go away from etch though, but people in here don't recommend that |
| 08:58.17 | SoulChild | tarzeau: for example do i high mathematical calculations ??? |
| 08:58.35 | tarzeau | the timeline is like this: old-stable | stable -> testing -> unstable | experimental |
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| 08:58.44 | tarzeau | SoulChild: and it uses 64bit features, yes |
| 08:58.55 | ertg | tarzeau: this is what i don' t want. I don' t want to lose the stability, but is there any backports, or something like that? |
| 08:59.22 | tarzeau | ertg: yes many, but not of glibc |
| 08:59.35 | tarzeau | ertg: glibc is is very elementar, almost any software uses it |
| 08:59.45 | ertg | tarzeau: yes, this is why i' m afraid of it. |
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| 08:59.51 | tarzeau | ertg: so if you change it, all dyanmically linked software can break (and will break) |
| 08:59.57 | Vasistha | ertg: what you might do is check if there is a backport of the package you need |
| 09:00.03 | tarzeau | Vasistha: there is not |
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| 09:00.07 | billybob | well that went over nicely |
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| 09:00.22 | tarzeau | ertg: you could use changeroots, but it's a mess. why do you need it? |
| 09:00.24 | Vasistha | tarzeau: I was referring to the unnamed package that needs glibc2.4, not to glibc! ;) |
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| 09:00.40 | tarzeau | ertg: it could be easier to backport the software that claims it needs glibc2.4 |
| 09:00.43 | tarzeau | Vasistha: i see |
| 09:00.46 | ertg | tarzeau: i need this newer gcc for a program called nconvert. It will be called many times. What if i made a debootstrap lenny system for it. How is it for efficiency? |
| 09:00.54 | billybob | Wyzard: got it booting the initial kernel now, worked great, but either hung, or was just taking forever to load the nfsroot on 100Mbit ethernet |
| 09:01.00 | tarzeau | ertg: url for it? |
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| 09:01.21 | billybob | yay! |
| 09:01.29 | tarzeau | Vasistha: as i guessed, binary only software |
| 09:01.33 | ertg | tarzeau: this is part of xnview, url: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/en_nconvert.html |
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| 09:01.41 | cico | how can I remove a package, apt-get remove <package-name> ? |
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| 09:01.52 | tarzeau | cico: yes |
| 09:01.59 | tarzeau | ertg: why not use convert from imagemagick ? |
| 09:02.19 | cico | what is the difference between aptitude install package and apt-get install package? |
| 09:02.21 | Vasistha | ertg: do you need it for video, or just images? |
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| 09:02.42 | tarzeau | cico: aptitude is newer |
| 09:02.45 | billybob | cico" dependancy garuntees |
| 09:02.51 | billybob | (from what ive seen) |
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| 09:03.11 | billybob | apt has been know to miss dependancies fro mtime to time |
| 09:03.33 | billybob | know* |
| 09:03.33 | billybob | known* |
| 09:03.33 | cico | billybob: which resolves dependencies and which doesn't? |
| 09:03.40 | billybob | aptitude would be the best router unless things have recently changed |
| 09:03.42 | tarzeau | billybob: hardly happeend to me, if at all |
| 09:03.44 | cydork | !why aptitude |
| 09:03.44 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 09:03.48 | tarzeau | cico: both do so |
| 09:03.48 | billybob | best route* |
| 09:03.55 | ertg | tarzeau: I' m just the sysadmin, but programmer say it' s much faster. Certainly this is was my first question, too. I' ve made some test, and it' s faster indeed. |
| 09:04.08 | ertg | Vasistha: no, for video they use ffmpeg. |
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| 09:04.20 | billybob | tarzeau: then you have not used it nearly enough |
| 09:04.29 | billybob | aptitude will get it riht regardless ; ) |
| 09:04.33 | tarzeau | ertg: then it's the programmers problem, not yours :) |
| 09:04.45 | ertg | tarzeau: hehe :- ))). |
| 09:04.45 | tarzeau | billybob: and slower |
| 09:04.52 | cydork | tarzeau: but better.. |
| 09:05.00 | cico | can I do aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, etc. with same arguments, etc. as in apt-get? |
| 09:05.12 | tarzeau | cydork: i don't like it :) |
| 09:05.17 | cydork | tarzeau: i know :) |
| 09:05.20 | ertg | tarzeau: maybe i' d need an older version of nconvert, but i don' t find any on that URL i gave You. |
| 09:05.30 | billybob | you could always use the aptitude 'client' to fix dependancies later as well if something gets borked |
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| 09:05.46 | Vasistha | ertg: I mean, if you're willing to dedicate about 10 times as much energy towards maintaining that machine as a testing install, then you could upgrade, but ... it's probably more prudent to just tell him to wait for the damn thing |
| 09:05.49 | cydork | tarzeau: and it has elephant eating snake.. |
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| 09:06.04 | Vasistha | cico: yeah |
| 09:06.06 | tarzeau | cydork: how are you? |
| 09:06.24 | cydork | tarzeau: great :) |
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| 09:06.49 | cico | I can't find aptitude --fix-missing option. |
| 09:06.55 | tarzeau | ertg: maybe, i don't like binary only software |
| 09:07.04 | tarzeau | cico: yes it's not fully apt-get compatible |
| 09:07.10 | tarzeau | cico: it also acts different at least on one option |
| 09:07.14 | \amethyst | ertg: you could try finding an install of the OS it is designed to run on, copying the libraries from there into a subdir, and messing with LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 09:07.44 | tarzeau | cico: also check bugs.debian.org/aptitude vs bugs.debian.org/apt |
| 09:07.44 | Vasistha | cydork: elephant eating snake? I have not seen such a thing outside of 'the Little Prince' |
| 09:07.51 | ertg | Vasistha: the problem is, that they' ve used ubuntu before now, which has got higher version of glibc, but they wanted to change to debian because of its stability, and higher performance... . |
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| 09:08.02 | tarzeau | and always remember, debian works without aptitude, but not without apt-get |
| 09:08.07 | xingu | ertg: you could also try raising a support case with the vendor and asking them to build for glibc2.4 |
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| 09:08.27 | tarzeau | Vasistha: aptitude moo (then add -v, -vv...) |
| 09:08.42 | ertg | xingu: the problem is that it' s build for glibc2.4 :- ). |
| 09:08.54 | xingu | ertg: ok, well for something less obsolete then |
| 09:09.24 | \amethyst | xingu: the problem is that it's not obsolete enough |
| 09:09.26 | xingu | whatever, point is that it's nonfree, so the onus is on the vendor to track your operating environment |
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| 09:09.43 | Vasistha | tarzeau: hehe, thanks! |
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| 09:10.01 | cydork | Vasistha: thought i like apt-get moo more :P |
| 09:10.08 | ertg | \amethyst: so, if i make a debootstrap for lenny, will it work, right? But what about the performance? |
| 09:10.54 | \amethyst | ertg: the only performance issue is that it will be using different shared libraries from everything else on the system, so it will take more memory than it would otherwise |
| 09:10.55 | Vasistha | cydork: I dunno, I really have a fondness for that drawing of the elephant-eating snake |
| 09:11.05 | \amethyst | ertg: other than that, it's full speed |
| 09:11.10 | cydork | Vasistha: heh |
| 09:11.26 | Schalken | why would a package be in stable and unstable, but not testing? shouldnt the testing package carry on from stable? |
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| 09:11.53 | \amethyst | Schalken: Sometimes packages get removed from testing to make way for transitions |
| 09:11.56 | cydork | Schalken: check /msg dpkg why packag-name is not in testing |
| 09:12.13 | ertg | \amethyst: memory is not problem, usually there 500MB free from the 8G :- ). |
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| 09:13.27 | \amethyst | ertg: then running it from a debootstrap wouldn't be a problem |
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| 09:14.11 | Vasistha | night all |
| 09:15.27 | ice63 | night |
| 09:15.38 | \amethyst | ertg: one issue is that you need to be root to chroot into the debootstrap... but fakechroot might be able to do it |
| 09:15.41 | ertg | \amethyst: well, now debootstrap is running, but i bet, it will take some time. |
| 09:16.02 | \amethyst | ertg: also, you have to somehow get the input files inside the chroot tree |
| 09:16.24 | ertg | \amethyst: is it sure that i' ll need to be root? Cuz this nconvert is called by apache (www-data). |
| 09:16.24 | \amethyst | ertg: either copying them, or bind mounting the directory they're in |
| 09:16.35 | \amethyst | ertg: fakeroot might be able to do it |
| 09:16.55 | \amethyst | ertg: or a setuid wrapper, or a shell script + sudo |
| 09:17.11 | \amethyst | ertg: err, fakechroot not fakeroot |
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| 09:17.20 | ertg | \amethyst: sudo will be good. |
| 09:17.47 | Schalken | \amethyst: if the package was removed in testing to make way for a new one, why would it still be in unstable? |
| 09:17.59 | \amethyst | Schalken: because it wasn't removed from unstable |
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| 09:18.49 | Schalken | \amethyst: lol, yes, thats obvious, but why? |
| 09:19.05 | cico | when I did aptitude remove ircd-hybrid, it listed around 48 extra packages which are not being used and it wants to remove them. should I allow it to remove them? |
| 09:19.19 | \amethyst | Schalken: packages migrate from unstable to testing automatically based on stability and other criteria... Sometimes a package is removed from testing because otherwise the algorithm wouldn't allow the package (or some other package) to move from unstable to testing |
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| 09:20.45 | cico | aptitude remove ircd-hybrid wants to remove my gdm, gnome-core, etc. also . why? |
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| 09:21.40 | cico | It said: The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 09:21.40 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.04 | cico | and the list included gnome-core, gedit-common, unzip, etc. why? |
| 09:22.21 | tarzeau | cico: they need gnome-core maybe? |
| 09:22.35 | cico | but why aptitude removes them? |
| 09:22.49 | tarzeau | cico: because they can't work without gnome-core maybe? |
| 09:22.49 | cico | I only want to remove ircd-hybrid and it says, gnome-core, gedit-common, etc. are not being used? |
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| 09:23.00 | tarzeau | cico: what says apt-get remove ircd-hybrid ? |
| 09:23.14 | cico | tarzeau: I am not asking it to remove gnome-core. I am asking it to remove ircd-hybrid. |
| 09:23.24 | cico | why should it remove all my gnome stuff in order to remove ircd-hybrid? |
| 09:23.44 | tarzeau | cico: dunno, try with apt-get ? |
| 09:23.47 | cico | tarzeau: it says this => The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 09:23.47 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.47 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.03 | \amethyst | cico: aptitude's manual-vs-automatic tracking sometimes overshoots when you start using it for the first time |
| 09:24.08 | cico | apt-get remove works fine but I am asking why aptitude remove removes my entire gnome ? |
| 09:24.22 | tarzeau | cico: dunno, maybe check bugs.debian.org/aptitude ? |
| 09:24.23 | cico | \amethyst: overshoots what? |
| 09:24.27 | tarzeau | cydork: see why i don't like aptitude? |
| 09:24.27 | \amethyst | cico: probably all those other packages are marked as automatically installed |
| 09:24.36 | \amethyst | cico: so aptitude thinks you *don't* want them |
| 09:24.56 | cico | \amethyst: so what should it be marked as to think that I want them. |
| 09:25.02 | wols_ | tarzeau: have fun with the new apt-get then |
| 09:25.15 | tarzeau | wols_: was it broken? |
| 09:25.45 | \amethyst | cico: you can do aptitude unmarkauto package1 package2 ... |
| 09:25.46 | cico | \amethyst: and how can I know what is marked as what. using dpkg -l? |
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| 09:26.02 | \amethyst | cico: aptitude shows it with an 'A' |
| 09:26.05 | cico | is there something to unmark all packages? |
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| 09:26.11 | mandhriah | I need help fixing apt-get |
| 09:26.20 | mandhriah | please help.... |
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| 09:27.17 | mandhriah | I tried to install ndiswrapper-util and it failed midway and now I cannot install any other package, cannot remove the ndiswrapper-util package. |
| 09:27.29 | mandhriah | or even remove any other package. |
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| 09:28.08 | mandhriah | it fails because of unmet dependcies. |
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| 09:28.51 | mandhriah | ndiswrapper-utils-1.1: Depends : perl but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:29.02 | \amethyst | cico: you could try dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ { print $2 }' | xargs aptitude unmarkauto |
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| 09:29.43 | bolt | How can I move all files and directories, except the directory named foo/, to another directory? I've previously just moved everything and then moved foo/ back but that can crash stuff :/ |
| 09:29.47 | \amethyst | doh |
| 09:30.21 | \amethyst | bolt: there's not really a simple foolproof way |
| 09:30.53 | wols_ | bolt: use mc |
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| 09:31.11 | \amethyst | bolt: could do something like for f in *; [ "$f" != foo ] && ,b "$f" |
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| 09:31.25 | \amethyst | bolt: err for f in *; [ "$f" != foo ] && mv "$f" destination |
| 09:31.50 | \amethyst | or use find perhaps |
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| 09:32.27 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.34 | cico | where can I find this package in the web server? |
| 09:32.40 | salami | good |
| 09:32.47 | cico | there is no stable/main directory in the web server ftp.us.debian.org |
| 09:33.26 | ertg | \amethyst: so, the system is ready, but what do You think, what is the best way if i' ve to use input and output files for the nconvert? |
| 09:34.00 | \amethyst | ertg: do you have control over where the input files come from? |
| 09:34.26 | \amethyst | ertg: I mean, can you make sure they all come from a particular directory or its subdirectories? |
| 09:34.40 | \amethyst | ertg: because if so you can just bind-mount that inside the chroot |
| 09:34.50 | ertg | \amethyst: What do You understand control? So, they come from a 5level deep directory. |
| 09:35.01 | cydork | tarzeau: yes, but mixing them is not really good.. |
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| 09:35.24 | ertg | \amethyst: from its subdirectories, because there are over 6.000.000 files, and they' ve got a 5level directory hierarchy. |
| 09:35.39 | \amethyst | ertg: a bind mount is definitely the way to go |
| 09:35.47 | \amethyst | ertg: that makes part of the filesystem appear somewhere else |
| 09:35.52 | ertg | \amethyst: what is bindmount? Never heard about it. |
| 09:36.04 | \amethyst | ertg: it's kind of like hardlinking directories |
| 09:36.14 | \amethyst | but expressed in terms of mounting instead |
| 09:36.40 | ertg | \amethyst: so it' ll not hurt the filesystem. |
| 09:36.48 | tarzeau | cydork: i agree, that's why i remove aptitude, so nobody can accidently use it :) |
| 09:36.51 | ertg | \amethyst: how can i use it? With what program? |
| 09:37.02 | tarzeau | cydork: and people making an alias of apt-get/apt-cache to aptitude need be SHOT |
| 09:37.05 | \amethyst | ertg: you're going to need to write a script to manage the chroot anyway |
| 09:38.02 | \amethyst | ertg: so, before you actually call chroot in that script, use mount --bind to put the input directory hierarchy in the appropriate place under the lenny chroot |
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| 09:38.49 | \amethyst | ertg: also, make sure you drop privileges before you call the conversion program (after doing the chroot) |
| 09:39.13 | ertg | \amethyst: well, i try it out. Should i bind mount the whole partition, right? |
| 09:39.27 | ertg | \amethyst: Is it a problem if this partition is already mounted? |
| 09:39.45 | \amethyst | ertg: I would do the lowest directory that contains all the input files |
| 09:39.57 | \amethyst | but you can do an already mounted directory |
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| 09:40.23 | \amethyst | another thing you might need to do in the chroot is mount /proc and similar filesystems |
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| 09:40.52 | cydork | tarzeau: aliasing it, is stupid indeed.. |
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| 09:41.57 | soroush | apt-get gnome install does not work why? |
| 09:42.04 | cico | what does "ekiga" package do? |
| 09:42.25 | ertg | \amethyst: well, bind mount works fine :- ). |
| 09:42.42 | Terminus | cico: voip |
| 09:43.02 | cico | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/ekiga/ekiga_2.0.3-6_i386.deb Connection failed |
| 09:43.05 | cico | what should I do? |
| 09:43.26 | Terminus | cico: download it again? |
| 09:43.36 | Terminus | cico: you might want to consider changing your mirror |
| 09:43.37 | wols_ | cico: use a different mirror? |
| 09:43.41 | Terminus | cico: where are you? |
| 09:43.48 | cico | Terminus: India |
| 09:43.57 | cico | all other packages are downloading from that server but not ekiga |
| 09:44.06 | wols_ | then why not use an indian mirror? |
| 09:44.37 | cico | ekiga_2.0.3-6_i386.deb is no longer there in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/ekiga |
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| 09:44.53 | cico | ekiga-dbg_2.0.11-2_i386.deb is there. |
| 09:44.56 | cico | how can I upgrade to this? |
| 09:45.02 | soroushh | apt-get gnome install does not work why? |
| 09:45.12 | soroushh | i installed |
| 09:45.15 | soroushh | the bare minimum |
| 09:45.20 | rummik | apt-get install gnome |
| 09:45.22 | soroushh | i need to install xorg? |
| 09:45.29 | Terminus | cico: pick one that's closer to you. i just use taiwan. --> http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 09:45.50 | soroushh | thanks |
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| 09:46.53 | Terminus | i like aptitude better. :) |
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| 09:47.13 | tuko | hi |
| 09:47.50 | cico | Terminus: the above link has got only CD .iso downloads. |
| 09:48.25 | tuko | What is the difference between debian-update-4.0r1 and debian-40r1? |
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| 09:49.09 | tuko | which one should y download? |
| 09:49.15 | tuko | which one should I download? |
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| 09:50.26 | ups | I like aptitude too, GUI package managers sucks, I used adept for some time, it runns slowly! |
| 09:52.51 | wols_ | tuko: doesn't really matter. you should do a update and dist-upgrade after installing anyways in case for the security updates came out after the last update |
| 09:53.05 | wols_ | then you are on the newest releases for everything anyways |
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| 09:53.29 | tuko | wols_, I'm burning iso images |
| 09:54.13 | wols_ | why? |
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| 09:54.34 | tuko | :) |
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| 09:54.54 | tuko | because I have a computer wihtout internet connection |
| 09:54.54 | cico | where can I find a list of all mirrors for sources.list ? |
| 09:54.59 | cico | !sources.list |
| 09:54.59 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 09:55.12 | wols_ | cause the only reason is when you really want to go to to the bazilian jungle |
| 09:55.23 | Terminus | cico: dig around. each one of those are useable mirrors. it's just that the page points you directly to the cd download. |
| 09:55.23 | wols_ | cico: /msg dpkg mirror |
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| 09:55.48 | Terminus | ups: i meant aptitude > apt-get :) |
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| 09:56.27 | cico | can I simply stop using apt-get and start using aptitude? |
| 09:56.41 | wols_ | cico: yes |
| 09:56.58 | wols_ | going the other way is not as easy |
| 09:56.58 | tuko | so, debian-update-4.0r1 or debian-40r1? |
| 09:57.07 | cico | wols_: why? |
| 09:57.58 | ups | tuko: debian-40r1 |
| 09:58.03 | cherek | hello |
| 09:58.03 | tuko | ok, thanks |
| 09:58.22 | cico | why should I not mix apt-get and aptitude? |
| 09:59.40 | wols_ | cause the auto-remove feature of aptitude doesn't know when you install packages with apt-get |
| 09:59.56 | wols_ | leading sometimes to mass remove orgies |
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| 10:00.00 | cherek | iam speak english very bad.who speak russian? |
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| 10:00.29 | Penix | cherek: #debian-russian |
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| 10:01.47 | cherek | iam banned from that canal |
| 10:02.13 | cherek | channel* |
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| 10:02.33 | cico | In the aptitude man page all options are shown like this:- \fB-y\fR, \fB--assume-yes\fR |
| 10:02.33 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.12 | soroushh | Iv installed gnome |
| 10:04.20 | soroushh | but i typed in "startgnome" and its not starting |
| 10:04.25 | soroushh | any ideas why? |
| 10:04.42 | Penix | wow. didn't think it was 2003 anymore |
| 10:05.11 | soroushh | ... |
| 10:05.13 | Penix | cico: they're stuff you shouldn't be seeing unless something is messed up |
| 10:05.50 | cico | Penix: what can be messed up. all other man pages, appear fine except that of aptitude |
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| 10:07.24 | scyld | sorry, peole, what TeX has been included in 4.0r1 - tetex or texLive? |
| 10:08.32 | cmanns | Could I have a box running debian be a firewall for a computer connected via usb 2.0? |
| 10:08.37 | billybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.39 | billybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.45 | cmanns | and the debian box connected to the modem |
| 10:10.05 | cico | isn't it LaTeX? |
| 10:10.18 | Penix | cmanns: I guess so...maybe with usbnet or something. should give you an interface to filter as well |
| 10:10.21 | cico | which probably uses tetex |
| 10:10.33 | cmanns | You think usb would be slow to use? |
| 10:10.42 | Penix | cmanns: compared to normal ethernet? yes |
| 10:10.48 | cico | say, I want to see all the depedencies of gcc, what command should I use to see that? |
| 10:10.49 | cmanns | Alot or alittle? |
| 10:11.00 | cmanns | My internet is like 12mbit down 1mbit up |
| 10:11.20 | Penix | cmanns: is there a reason why you have to use usb? |
| 10:11.48 | cmanns | I can't afford a router or pci ethernet card and the modem connects by usb or ethernet. I only got one ethernet port on both mobo's |
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| 10:12.30 | Penix | cmanns: have you ever got the modem working via usb? |
| 10:12.41 | cmanns | yeah it was rather slow though :. |
| 10:12.48 | cico | the first line of apt-get upgrade says: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 10:12.48 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.59 | cmanns | but thats in windows so not sure why |
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| 10:13.02 | cico | I want to upgrade the linux-image too, but why is it keeping it back? |
| 10:13.07 | PSyKo | how to install vlc with aptitude? |
| 10:13.14 | cmanns | I could only max about 6mbit down |
| 10:13.21 | cico | PsyKo: aptitude install vlc |
| 10:13.25 | cmanns | apt-cache search vlc ? |
| 10:13.31 | PSyKo | no relase candidate is found |
| 10:13.32 | billybob | sorry, usb is 1.5mbit |
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| 10:13.45 | cmanns | I thought usb 2.0 is higher then that |
| 10:13.47 | Penix | billybob: talking about 2.0 |
| 10:13.51 | PSyKo | no relase candidate is found for vnc |
| 10:13.54 | billybob | 2.0 is 480 mbit |
| 10:13.54 | cmanns | usb 1 is 11mbps and usb 2.0 is 40 i believe |
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| 10:13.57 | cmanns | :3 |
| 10:14.02 | cico | PSyKo: I think you need to include the multimedia repo |
| 10:14.11 | billybob | but you wont use it as a network with more than uusbv1.0 standards |
| 10:14.23 | billybob | and at 1.5mbit speeds |
| 10:14.26 | PSyKo | cico deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main |
| 10:14.30 | PSyKo | on my apt |
| 10:14.32 | cmanns | So using usb 2.0 would be ok you think? |
| 10:15.13 | billybob | usb networking wont work in usb 2.0 mode |
| 10:15.13 | cmanns | Oh :( |
| 10:15.13 | billybob | it will be using the usb1 standard |
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| 10:15.20 | cmanns | why's it do that |
| 10:15.29 | billybob | and maybe i am remembering wrong, but i am pretty sure 1.5mbit is the limit |
| 10:15.41 | billybob | because its not something people normally use ? |
| 10:16.02 | Penix | why would a bus limit the speed based on its usage? |
| 10:16.16 | billybob | overhead. |
| 10:16.26 | billybob | just for startes |
| 10:16.28 | Penix | *sigh* |
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| 10:16.49 | billybob | cmanns: google around, maybe yu'll fid something different |
| 10:16.51 | Penix | so, all these 100mbit USB 2.0 devices are just lies? |
| 10:16.59 | cmanns | I don't think so |
| 10:17.01 | billybob | lol |
| 10:17.04 | cmanns | usb1 is atleast 11mbps |
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| 10:17.13 | billybob | usb is 12 mbit |
| 10:17.15 | noborusan | i cannot find mod-cache in etch ? |
| 10:17.16 | Penix | 100mbit ethernet that is |
| 10:17.17 | cmanns | My modem uses usb 1 or 1.1 cant recall but it was connected @ 11mbps |
| 10:17.18 | billybob | but not for networking |
| 10:17.43 | Penix | billybob: so, you're talking about host-to-host or something? |
| 10:18.01 | billybob | yes. |
| 10:18.29 | billybob | cmanns you can afford a $5 nic ? |
| 10:18.30 | PSyKo | sooo |
| 10:18.34 | PSyKo | how to install vlc? |
| 10:18.37 | cmanns | billybob, nope |
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| 10:18.51 | cmanns | Otherwise I would just get a better computer |
| 10:19.10 | Penix | cmanns: how does that make sense? |
| 10:19.34 | billybob | data rates: |
| 10:19.34 | billybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.47 | Penix | I would've assumed being able to afford a 12mbit connection, you'd manage to scrape together for a cheap nic |
| 10:19.50 | psanxiao | Hi all |
| 10:19.51 | billybob | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus |
| 10:19.54 | billybob | read away |
| 10:20.08 | cmanns | Penix, I have other things to pay for, I need the connection for my work |
| 10:20.59 | Penix | well, anyway, either run the modem via usb and use a crossover cable between the two, or the suffer the usb speeds |
| 10:21.03 | billybob | heh USB v3 is supposed to offer 4.8Gbit/s |
| 10:21.16 | Penix | bah! optical schmoptical |
| 10:21.17 | billybob | of course for those speeds you'll have to use optical cabling |
| 10:21.36 | soroushh | how do i start gnome? im in cmd interface.. i have isntalled gnome and xorg.. |
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| 10:21.53 | psanxiao | I need some help |
| 10:22.47 | psanxiao | I was reading about build deb packages from the sources, but how can I build them from binary form? |
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| 10:23.07 | billybob | cmanns: firewire would be a better choice, but you'd loose security as firewire networking has none |
| 10:23.19 | cmanns | hmm |
| 10:23.29 | cmanns | I guess I may as well use usb on the modem |
| 10:23.32 | PSyKo | cico, how to install vnc? |
| 10:23.33 | billybob | assuming you do mean hostt to host networking |
| 10:23.42 | soroushh | how do i start gnome? im in cmd interface.. i have isntalled gnome and xorg.. |
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| 10:23.52 | cmanns | start x? |
| 10:24.07 | soroushh | got it :P needed to finish installing xorg |
| 10:24.08 | soroushh | hehehe |
| 10:24.23 | billybob | apt-get install gdm ? |
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| 10:24.47 | billybob | that'd be a gui login though |
| 10:24.56 | billybob | which i believe starts up on boot |
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| 10:25.09 | Appiah | I'm running stable but I want to apt-get one thing thats from unstable , can this be done by not changing everything to unstable? |
| 10:25.15 | soroushh | how do i logout of a account so i can login to a different one:? |
| 10:25.47 | billybob | exit ? |
| 10:26.03 | soroushh | no |
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| 10:26.06 | soroushh | it dont work |
| 10:26.11 | billybob | lol |
| 10:26.14 | soroushh | :S |
| 10:26.15 | billybob | you have issues then |
| 10:26.21 | psanxiao | logout? |
| 10:26.26 | soroushh | it just closes the terminal screen |
| 10:26.30 | soroushh | its still in gui under root |
| 10:26.35 | soroushh | i want to switch to another account |
| 10:26.54 | cmanns | hmm |
| 10:26.57 | cmanns | Gotta find the drivers :3 |
| 10:27.07 | soroushh | wait |
| 10:27.09 | soroushh | im an idiot |
| 10:27.10 | soroushh | got it |
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| 10:27.42 | psanxiao | I was reading about build deb packages from the sources, but how can I build them from binary form? |
| 10:27.42 | billybob | !usersguide |
| 10:28.03 | PSyKo | HEY !!! |
| 10:28.08 | PSyKo | How to got vnc ? |
| 10:28.14 | PSyKo | what deb shoud i use |
| 10:28.26 | billybob | apt-cache search vnc |
| 10:28.30 | PSyKo | i got it |
| 10:28.36 | PSyKo | but "no relase candidate found" |
| 10:28.40 | PSyKo | and apt stops |
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| 10:29.13 | PSyKo | what deb should i add? |
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| 10:29.30 | Penix | PSyKo: read the descriptions of the various vnc related package and make a choice |
| 10:29.43 | cico | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 10:29.43 | cico | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free <-- works fine for me, PSyKo |
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| 10:30.08 | vzoric | when i try to install a packages from apt-get i get font-cache error |
| 10:30.13 | vzoric | does anyone know why |
| 10:30.29 | cmanns | sucks, can't find one |
| 10:30.39 | Penix | cmanns: find what? |
| 10:30.46 | cmanns | Drivers for the modem |
| 10:30.50 | cmanns | All are for windows |
| 10:31.24 | PSyKo | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 10:31.26 | PSyKo | not workin |
| 10:31.53 | Penix | PSyKo: which package are you trying to install the gives the error? |
| 10:32.03 | PSyKo | vlc |
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| 10:32.27 | Penix | make up your mind. it was vnc before |
| 10:32.29 | Penix | typos don't help |
| 10:33.05 | oraut | I want to do programming in debian environment? Any pointers? |
| 10:33.33 | Penix | oraut: be a lot more specific |
| 10:34.05 | oraut | specifically, learn how c programming is used for building free software |
| 10:34.28 | psanxiao | I was reading about build deb packages from the sources, but how can I build them from binary form? |
| 10:34.37 | psanxiao | any help? |
| 10:36.38 | Penix | oraut: get a book or a good tutorial and get to work |
| 10:36.43 | cico | oraut: use gcc and get a good book. |
| 10:36.48 | Penix | oraut: won't matter what sort of linux system you're using really |
| 10:36.55 | cico | oraut: for more queries, go to ##c |
| 10:37.26 | PSyKo | cico? |
| 10:37.29 | PSyKo | so..? |
| 10:37.35 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.48 | cico | PSyKo: so what? |
| 10:38.00 | PSyKo | vlc? |
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| 10:39.08 | cico | PSyKo: I have no idea, I would suggest trying to change your mirror to the one I gave and try. |
| 10:39.56 | PSyKo | the us mirror dont change |
| 10:40.42 | cico | PSyKo: vlc definitely exists in my mirror. see: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/ |
| 10:40.55 | oraut | Penix, I already know c programming under gcc to some extent, I wish to learn makefiles and how packaging is done under debian. Which book will suffice to my needs? I don't have any clues.. |
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| 10:41.43 | cico | PSyKo: It exists in your's too: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/ |
| 10:42.04 | PSyKo | oooh i found |
| 10:42.09 | PSyKo | i should add a line stable |
| 10:42.13 | PSyKo | after testing |
| 10:42.34 | oraut | cico,please recommend me some books |
| 10:42.41 | Penix | oraut: google for GNU Autotools documentation and 'Debian packaging guide' or something similar. check out debian.org/devel too. has links to the nm guide etc. |
| 10:42.44 | cico | PsyKo: mixing testing and stable is not a good idea, but yes here you can do it for one package. |
| 10:42.56 | cmanns | Oh |
| 10:43.01 | PSyKo | yes |
| 10:43.02 | cmanns | Looks like usb modems work w/out drivers |
| 10:43.05 | PSyKo | ok, now |
| 10:43.05 | cico | oraut: makefiles and packaging are different subjects. for makefiles, there is a wonderful free book, perhaps Using GNU Make or something |
| 10:43.08 | cmanns | Specific drivers. |
| 10:43.12 | cmanns | Thanks |
| 10:43.16 | PSyKo | how to send music to a shoutcast server? |
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| 10:43.19 | cmanns | and a patch cable is cross over right? |
| 10:43.32 | cmanns | PSyKo, shoutcast dsp plugin for winamp |
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| 10:43.43 | PSyKo | winamp on linux?!? |
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| 10:43.47 | cmanns | wine? |
| 10:43.47 | Goodgame | hi |
| 10:43.49 | cmanns | nah |
| 10:43.57 | cmanns | I don't know what you'd use on debian |
| 10:43.57 | Goodgame | has someone ever used http://www.debuntu.org/iptables-how-to-share-your-internet-connection-p2 ? |
| 10:44.03 | oraut | thanks cico Penix |
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| 10:45.20 | bobbby | Bonjour |
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| 10:48.05 | alex_ | how do i setup shared ssh keys so i dont have to enter a password? |
| 10:48.10 | alex_ | i have a ssh key here already |
| 10:48.15 | alex_ | where do i put it on the host? |
| 10:48.53 | cico | alex_: there are many brief and good tutorials on this subject. it takes just a couple of commands. google search, you'll get it. |
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| 10:53.11 | nvz | PSyKo: winamp is a piece of shite |
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| 10:53.32 | PSyKo | yes |
| 10:53.34 | PSyKo | lagging |
| 10:53.35 | nvz | PSyKo: xmms is modeled after like winamp 2.x and compatable with its skins IIRC |
| 10:53.39 | PSyKo | what can i use? |
| 10:53.44 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 10:54.40 | nvz | PSyKo: you can use any of a number of things. Amarok, XMMS, rhythmbox.. |
| 10:54.47 | nvz | personally I use cplay |
| 10:54.48 | PSyKo | nvz, xmms can use shoutcase? |
| 10:54.53 | nvz | I like to keep it simple |
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| 10:55.00 | drc | I've used winamp forever for playing mp3's on windows machines, I don't see much wrong with it :P |
| 10:55.03 | mitziyahu | whats the file that setsthe email for root/ |
| 10:55.03 | streuner | shoutcase? |
| 10:55.04 | mitziyahu | ? |
| 10:55.10 | PSyKo | shoutcast |
| 10:55.16 | nvz | PSyKo: what do you mean? to listen or broadcast? |
| 10:55.17 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 10:55.23 | xingu | shitecast, it's what chimps do at the zoo |
| 10:55.29 | mitziyahu | whats the file that setsthe email for root? |
| 10:55.31 | PSyKo | broadcast ! |
| 10:55.55 | nvz | PSyKo: no, there is no shoutcast for linux. there was something called icecast though I don't know anything about it |
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| 10:55.57 | mitziyahu | What the hell is wrong with winamp? ITS FREE |
| 10:56.02 | nvz | !icecast |
| 10:56.02 | dpkg | it has been said that icecast is a GPL'd live mp3 streamer, http://www.icecast.org/, or on irc in #icecast on irc.freenode.net |
| 10:56.03 | cic1 | I am using Debian Etch. uname -a -> Linux andromeda 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux. I did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. The first line of the output is:- The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-686 - Why is it not upgrading linux-image? |
| 10:56.13 | streuner | nvz: there isnt? Its non-free |
| 10:56.21 | nvz | streuner: news to me |
| 10:56.23 | streuner | and OT here |
| 10:56.40 | nvz | streuner: not that I care ;) |
| 10:56.54 | nvz | but dually noted |
| 10:56.57 | PSyKo | i installed icecast |
| 10:57.05 | streuner | nvz:http://shoutcast.com/download/ |
| 10:57.27 | streuner | nvz: there is a version for windows and linux (only binaries) |
| 10:57.40 | nvz | streuner: http://www.google.com/search?q=don't+give+a+shit ? |
| 10:57.45 | nvz | heh |
| 10:57.49 | mitziyahu | Ok anyone helpable? |
| 10:58.02 | streuner | nvz: ok :-) |
| 10:58.17 | mitziyahu | whats the file that setsthe email for root? |
| 10:58.25 | nvz | I'm helpable, want to help be find out if the hand is quicker than the eye? |
| 10:58.40 | nvz | by reaching over here and jerking me off before anyone sees |
| 10:58.40 | streuner | mitziyahu: exim? |
| 10:58.46 | liable | cic1: dist-upgrade |
| 10:58.48 | streuner | !listkeys exim |
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| 10:58.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'exim' by key (15 of 35): #debian configure exim ;; #debian exim4 reconfigure ;; #debian why exim4 ;; _default exim+spamassassin ;; _default exim4gmail ;; _default hackasaurusreximus ;; exim ;; exim "failed to open db file" ;; exim4 backports ;; exim4 reconfigure ;; exim_vhost ;; eximon ;; hackasaurusreximus ;; sa-exim ;; why exim4. |
| 10:58.58 | petemc | mitziyahu: /etc/aliases |
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| 10:59.24 | mitziyahu | petemc it has the aliases |
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| 10:59.50 | mitziyahu | oh |
| 10:59.51 | drc | PSyKo: maybe you want to check this out also http://www.oddsock.org/tools/oddcastv3_jack/ |
| 10:59.57 | mitziyahu | nvm its the wrong server lol |
| 11:00.11 | petemc | mitziyahu: did you configure exim with debconf? choose the option with no local deliveries? |
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| 11:00.17 | smiler | @ops: the "why exim4" url linked is broken |
| 11:00.38 | nvz | smiler: please do not do that |
| 11:00.51 | mitziyahu | petemc nah i just want the server logs to my mailbox |
| 11:00.59 | petemc | mitziyahu: nah? what does that mean? |
| 11:01.09 | mitziyahu | its a No slang |
| 11:01.13 | petemc | no to what? |
| 11:01.29 | mitziyahu | i did not configure exim with debconf? |
| 11:01.37 | petemc | how did you configure it, then? |
| 11:01.45 | mitziyahu | im not using exim m8 |
| 11:01.55 | petemc | good luck with your problem |
| 11:02.14 | petemc | m8 |
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| 11:02.49 | mitziyahu | thanks |
| 11:02.57 | cico | who is m8? |
| 11:03.26 | mitziyahu | /whois m8 |
| 11:03.31 | agoria | well |
| 11:03.34 | agoria | my apache2 is running now |
| 11:03.36 | nvz | its an english AOL user's firend |
| 11:03.58 | agoria | but when i try to access phpmyadmin i get a 404 error - i have installed phpmyadmin and included apache.conf in apache2.conf |
| 11:03.59 | nvz | well actually they say that pretty much everywhere other than the US |
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| 11:04.13 | petemc | more popular in australia and the uk |
| 11:04.18 | nvz | in the US a mate is someone you have sexual intercourse with |
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| 11:04.25 | cico | ha ha |
| 11:04.34 | petemc | but americans have buddies |
| 11:04.49 | mitziyahu | i'd mate with you petemc :> |
| 11:04.50 | petemc | the odd 'homie' too |
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| 11:04.53 | nvz | yeah, buddies, homies, pals, boys, girls.. |
| 11:05.05 | petemc | mitziyahu: im flattered |
| 11:05.17 | nvz | dogs |
| 11:05.19 | nvz | whatever |
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| 11:05.34 | mitziyahu | anyways should i add |
| 11:05.38 | nvz | actually come to think of it some of the shit we say is dumber than saying mate |
| 11:05.38 | cico | hey whatever, let's go for dinner. |
| 11:05.42 | mitziyahu | root: user@domain.com ? |
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| 11:06.05 | petemc | mitziyahu: that would work if you have something that looks in /etc/aliases |
| 11:06.22 | mitziyahu | postfix :p |
| 11:06.27 | petemc | mitziyahu: if that something was exim4, you could test it with exim4 -bt root |
| 11:06.39 | nvz | US english speaking people can't even use automatic traslation software because of how many damn conflicting uses we have for words |
| 11:06.40 | petemc | ah well |
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| 11:07.24 | petemc | nvz: such as? |
| 11:07.52 | mitziyahu | word, dog, etc. |
| 11:07.55 | petemc | the word with the most uses, aiui, is set - which is common to all english dialects |
| 11:08.07 | billybob | wow, that was cool. |
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| 11:08.48 | nvz | well for example dog could mean a four legged pet, a friend/homie, a person who is impolite, to poke fun at.. etc |
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| 11:08.57 | petemc | thats vernacular, no? |
| 11:09.06 | mitziyahu | aiui? |
| 11:09.08 | billybob | that would be slang |
| 11:09.15 | cico | "no?" that's a bad question tag. |
| 11:09.18 | mitziyahu | dig could also mean a cheater :p |
| 11:09.22 | mitziyahu | hmm |
| 11:09.25 | cico | it should be, "it is vernacular, isn't it?" |
| 11:09.31 | nvz | I have to take my dog for a walk. I am going to hang with my dogs. That hank is such a dog. Quit doggin on her. |
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| 11:09.38 | billybob | 'correct' engrish says dog means the quadroped animal ; ) |
| 11:09.41 | nvz | and even saying someone is a dog could mean different things |
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| 11:09.50 | cico | petemc: are you a native english speaker? |
| 11:09.51 | petemc | thats not specific to the US |
| 11:09.54 | nvz | might be good, might be bad |
| 11:09.56 | petemc | cico: affirmative |
| 11:09.59 | mitziyahu | I have an alias file with no email address, but root emails seems to get to an email box. How is that? |
| 11:10.03 | comsa | u lod dog |
| 11:10.19 | cico | petemc: is "no?" used commonly as question tags? |
| 11:10.22 | comsa | u old dog |
| 11:10.34 | petemc | cico: yes, no? |
| 11:10.34 | cico | petemc: I am asking because I am not a native english speaker. |
| 11:10.38 | petemc | it is.. |
| 11:10.39 | Penix | heh |
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| 11:10.48 | cico | petemc: which place, UK or US? |
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| 11:10.56 | petemc | both, i think |
| 11:11.11 | petemc | cico: its a way to express that perhaps you're not 100% sure of something |
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| 11:11.15 | Penix | cico: it's just like saying "this is true, is it not?" |
| 11:11.38 | mitziyahu | OFFTOPIC |
| 11:11.43 | mitziyahu | I have an alias file with no email address, but root emails seems to get to an email box. How is that? |
| 11:11.43 | Penix | ding ding ding! |
| 11:11.46 | cico | Penix: I thought "no?" is a wrong question tag used only by Indians. I thought the correct question tag was always, "isn't it?" or "is it not?" |
| 11:11.56 | nvz | in spanish all you'd need to say is something like "verdad?" |
| 11:11.59 | nvz | its that simple |
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| 11:12.09 | nvz | or si o no? |
| 11:12.20 | mitziyahu | dudes wtf? |
| 11:12.20 | mitziyahu | I have an alias file with no email address, but root emails seems to get to an email box. How is that? |
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| 11:12.24 | Penix | cico: you're probably correct, but you're over estimating our (not so) strict use of the language ;) |
| 11:12.27 | petemc | !tell mitziyahu about repeat |
| 11:12.30 | sith-lord | hey |
| 11:12.36 | mitziyahu | i know about repeats |
| 11:12.45 | mitziyahu | !tell petemc off topic |
| 11:12.46 | mitziyahu | :O |
| 11:12.49 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:13.25 | cico | !tell me off topic |
| 11:13.37 | cico | :O |
| 11:13.51 | nvz | I should go back to sleep. its freakin election day, the polls open in a few hours and I've been up some 5 hours already on 5 hours sleep |
| 11:13.56 | cico | off-topic is when you are not discussing debian. |
| 11:14.00 | cico | !tell me off-topic |
| 11:14.06 | Penix | nvz: what sort of election? |
| 11:14.09 | cico | how can I make dpkg learn new things? |
| 11:14.16 | sith-lord | fun |
| 11:14.23 | nvz | Penix: general election in the US |
| 11:14.37 | liable | you need sleep to vote? ;) |
| 11:14.43 | nvz | liable: I'm running |
| 11:14.52 | liable | i would have thought the more delerious you are the better :) |
| 11:14.55 | mitziyahu | anyways, can anyone help me out? :p |
| 11:14.58 | nvz | liable: haha |
| 11:15.31 | liable | nvz: you're running for prez? |
| 11:15.47 | nvz | liable: presidential elections aren't until next year IIRC |
| 11:16.01 | nvz | liable: I am running for borough council seat |
| 11:16.04 | Penix | general's just local seats isn't it? |
| 11:16.22 | nvz | yeah |
| 11:16.44 | Penix | sorry, I should've said "seats, no?" |
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| 11:17.00 | basanta | is there a NET SEND like command for linux ? |
| 11:17.08 | Penix | !spank basanta |
| 11:17.21 | nvz | depends on wth NET SEND does |
| 11:17.55 | basanta | nvz, i just need to send a small warning message from my linux machine to windows machine |
| 11:17.57 | xingu | smbclient -M |
| 11:17.58 | Penix | responsible for those annoying Windows network message dialog popup things |
| 11:18.01 | Penix | among other things |
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| 11:18.14 | nvz | hah |
| 11:18.46 | xingu | man, this compiz window tilting plugin is pretty wild |
| 11:19.17 | billybob | !debootstrap |
| 11:19.18 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 11:19.20 | basanta | xingu, I did smbclient -M hi -I 192.168.x.x , but I get session request failed message |
| 11:19.49 | xingu | basanta: possibly 192.168.x.x doesn't want to know about it |
| 11:19.50 | Penix | I set up a compiz gnome desktop for my idiot, non-geek friend. |
| 11:19.59 | Penix | surprisingly stable. wasn't too keen at first |
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| 11:20.04 | Penix | me, that is |
| 11:20.09 | xingu | your friend, or compiz? |
| 11:20.20 | Penix | xingu: compiz ;) |
| 11:20.55 | xingu | holy cow, it even works upside-down, and reversed |
| 11:21.05 | Penix | got another dopey friend with a plain gnome setup. never heard any complaints |
| 11:21.29 | xingu | it's a picture of xchat standing on its head miss jane |
| 11:21.31 | mitziyahu | so im not going to get any help? |
| 11:21.33 | billybob | Penix: how familiar with platform specific kernels are you ? |
| 11:21.48 | Penix | billybob: what do you mean? |
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| 11:22.14 | cico | Penis: can compiz run on GNome too? I thought beryl was meant for GNome. |
| 11:22.24 | billybob | Penix: well i have an Intel x64 capable CPU, and an AMD x64 capable CPU, is there a generic x64 type kernel ? |
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| 11:22.42 | billybob | ie: i want to run both vianetbooting |
| 11:22.51 | billybob | via netboot* |
| 11:22.54 | Penix | billybob: afaik you either run the i386 or amd64 port |
| 11:23.03 | Penix | I don't own any 64bit systems though |
| 11:23.11 | billybob | amd64 will work on both AMD and Intel CPUs ? |
| 11:23.13 | liable | billybob: amd64 is the one you want |
| 11:23.16 | Penix | not sure if you can boot a 64bit kernel with i386 |
| 11:23.22 | liable | Penix: you can |
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| 11:23.44 | billybob | now the big question |
| 11:23.53 | liable | debian has 64 kernels for 32bit, dunno wtf the difference is |
| 11:23.58 | billybob | is there really a reason to use a debian x64 kernel ? |
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| 11:24.08 | cico | liable: how can 64-bit kernel run on 32-bit? |
| 11:24.22 | Penix | cico: OS X does it. Solaris does it |
| 11:24.38 | billybob | you guys mean PAE i am assuming ? |
| 11:24.40 | Penix | cico: it's not on a 32 bit chip |
| 11:24.44 | cico | Penis: but how? how can 64-bit machine code be understood by 32-bit? |
| 11:24.44 | ups | cico: using VM, but why do u do that? |
| 11:24.46 | smiler | nvz: why not? |
| 11:24.46 | cico | oh! |
| 11:24.49 | liable | hehe |
| 11:24.52 | Penix | cico: 32bit userland with a 64 kernel |
| 11:25.00 | smiler | nvz: it should be fixed or removed |
| 11:25.04 | larstr | while installing debian4.0r0 (32bit) it hangs on "running tasksel". Has been stuck there for 30 minutes now.... |
| 11:25.07 | cico | Penix: ok |
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| 11:34.23 | billybob | hmm |
| 11:34.43 | billybob | i need a good refference on setting up an install after a debootstrap, ideas anyone ? |
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| 11:36.08 | billybob | ie: i am trying to get this resently bootstrapped install to be morelike the default etch install |
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| 11:40.34 | larstr | rerunning installation now |
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| 11:42.25 | liable | billybob: run tasksel ? |
| 11:42.46 | billybob | hmm |
| 11:42.55 | billybob | sounds like a winner |
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| 11:43.11 | billybob | thanks |
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| 11:45.13 | jcims | where do the ciphers in /proc/crypto come from? |
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| 11:45.16 | jcims | i only show md5 |
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| 11:47.52 | RoyK | hi |
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| 11:48.08 | RoyK | how can I turn off persistent interface names? |
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| 11:48.46 | liable | !z25 |
| 11:48.47 | dpkg | from memory, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 11:54.20 | RoyK | liable: thanks |
| 11:54.36 | liable | no problem |
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| 12:04.22 | selket | hello |
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| 12:05.29 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
| 12:05.29 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:05.56 | selket | i fucked up my sources.list and netselect always give me strange output (it says i sit behind a firewall but i dont have any) anybody knows where i get fast servers for china? |
| 12:06.16 | liable | selket: try apt-spy |
| 12:06.17 | streuner | !mirrors |
| 12:06.17 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 12:06.30 | selket | cant install....now sources |
| 12:06.34 | selket | no* |
| 12:06.46 | streuner | but you are in internet? |
| 12:06.58 | petemc | in? like tron? |
| 12:07.00 | liable | in the tubes! |
| 12:07.15 | selket | ok i try out to put some US server in |
| 12:07.59 | streuner | selket: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 12:08.23 | streuner | selket: you should be able to use an $editor and make the entries by hand |
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| 12:09.25 | streuner | petemc: one of my favorite movies ;-) |
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| 12:09.36 | petemc | aye, its a good show |
| 12:09.38 | petemc | has aged well |
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| 12:10.09 | streuner | "Master-Control-Program" :-) |
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| 12:11.29 | streuner | MCP |
| 12:11.38 | xored | which virus/dummy virus could i use to test my exim-antivirus ? |
| 12:11.48 | petemc | eicar |
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| 12:19.12 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.18 | petemc | oops |
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| 12:27.35 | selket | ok i downloaded apt-spy now....its working hope give good results |
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| 12:28.36 | J-roen | Hi. I get this when using tar: "/tmp/file: file changed as we read it" - Does this mean that a damaged file could been have packed? |
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| 12:35.56 | jelly-home | J-roen: indeed |
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| 12:36.28 | jelly-home | it does |
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| 12:37.59 | J-roen | jelly-home: Do you know how I can prevent this from happening? |
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| 12:38.13 | J-roen | jelly-home: Does tar support something like locking files? |
| 12:38.20 | BigH26 | Any idea how should I get lyx 1.5 working on my debian testing box (testing has only lyx 1.4)? |
| 12:39.26 | Alarm | BigH26, try to find it as a debian file. try to install. if it doesnt have any dependency problems then ok |
| 12:39.29 | Alarm | or look in backports |
| 12:39.42 | BigH26 | Alarm: what's backports? |
| 12:40.04 | Alarm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backport |
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| 12:40.27 | Alarm | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 12:40.50 | BigH26 | Alarm: I know the term, but how is it related to my case? |
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| 12:41.01 | BigH26 | Alarm: Is it a repository of some sort? |
| 12:41.02 | Alarm | maybe lyx 1.5 is in backports |
| 12:41.04 | cydork | Alarm: backports is only for stable. |
| 12:41.05 | Alarm | yeap |
| 12:41.06 | cico | !backport |
| 12:41.07 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 12:41.21 | jelly-home | J-roen: stop the application, backup, start the application. I don't know of a single backup app that does mandatory locking, and I have no idea if it's available in unix at all |
| 12:41.22 | Alarm | oh i didnt see he mentioned debian/testing , my mistake |
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| 12:41.45 | Alarm | BigH26, why not compiling it then ? |
| 12:41.55 | cydork | BigH26: check if that is available in sid. if it is you can try to build it from the source package. |
| 12:42.26 | BigH26 | Alarm: I doubt I'll manage to do it, since it has a dependency of a certain version of the boost package which is not in testing |
| 12:42.43 | BigH26 | Alarm: That's why its not in testing yet |
| 12:42.47 | jelly-home | J-roen: lvm2 has volume snapshots, you could use that if you need consistency |
| 12:42.58 | BigH26 | but its been that way for 80 days now... |
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| 12:45.20 | cico | I was doing "aptitude upgrade" and the internet connection broke in between and the upgrade stop. Now how can I resume from where I stopped? |
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| 12:47.01 | g00se | Please remind me of the Unix command to number lines - googling was fruitless |
| 12:47.16 | cydork | cico: just do aptitude upgrade again, it wont download the cached packages. |
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| 12:47.30 | cydork | g00se: nl -b a ? |
| 12:47.34 | cico | cydork: ok |
| 12:48.00 | g00se | cydork: YES!! nl Thanks |
| 12:48.25 | andre | hmm, which nick is used by loic normally? |
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| 12:50.09 | cmanns | I'm trying to setup x been awhile, isnt there some thing you run that sets it up? |
| 12:50.20 | cydork | !drxx |
| 12:50.20 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 13:02.39 | |DawnLight| | how do i reboot into a specific grub entry? |
| 13:02.51 | |DawnLight| | i mean, remotely |
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| 13:03.05 | OminousZ | *perks* good question |
| 13:03.24 | mitziyahu | how about change the default? |
| 13:03.29 | simmerz|work | is there a howto for setting up slapd in debian? |
| 13:03.31 | simmerz|work | for etc |
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| 13:03.34 | simmerz|work | etch* |
| 13:05.26 | |DawnLight| | mitziyahu: is that in the menu.lst? |
| 13:07.50 | mitziyahu | not quite sure |
| 13:08.03 | mitziyahu | not good with grub :p |
| 13:08.18 | mitziyahu | http://discuss.extremetech.com/forums/1004322173/ShowPost.aspx |
| 13:09.00 | mitziyahu | yes ;p |
| 13:09.18 | simmerz|work | |DawnLight|: yeah, they're numbered, so you just change that default value and it'll come back up in the new kernel |
| 13:09.34 | mitziyahu | don't he need to like rerun it or something? |
| 13:09.52 | simmerz|work | generally debian kernel upgrades add the new kernel at the top of the list so if it's a new kernel, you don't need to change the default |
| 13:09.58 | mitziyahu | oh, just reboot |
| 13:10.03 | simmerz|work | no, grub reads directly from the root partition |
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| 13:10.12 | simmerz|work | only lilo installs the whole thing into the mbr |
| 13:10.13 | cmanns | hmm |
| 13:10.46 | cmanns | Still cant figure out x :3 |
| 13:10.46 | mitziyahu | so where does grub sits? |
| 13:10.49 | simmerz|work | mitziyahu: grub itself sits in the mbr, and then reads from /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:10.52 | cmanns | I get cannot open display, and I've configured the display :/ |
| 13:11.21 | simmerz|work | hence why /boot needs to be on an grub readable partition, like ext3 |
| 13:12.03 | mitziyahu | oh :p |
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| 13:13.39 | simmerz|work | cmanns: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:14.26 | simmerz|work | is there a good howto for debian + ldap server? |
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| 13:17.18 | mitziyahu | ldap is the active directory, right/ |
| 13:17.19 | mitziyahu | ? |
| 13:18.50 | wols_ | active directory is a special versin of ldap |
| 13:19.07 | torgrimt | mitziyahu: active directory is just the ms version of a dap ;) |
| 13:19.09 | wols_ | or rather it uses LDAP |
| 13:19.28 | mitziyahu | i never did get that |
| 13:19.37 | mitziyahu | all you get is a network-wide user management? |
| 13:19.59 | wols_ | if you have a ton of machines, it's mandatory to have |
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| 13:20.10 | appelza | I have a loop device image which I can mount, how can I resize it? (it's 500mb and only uses 100mb) |
| 13:20.17 | wols_ | otherwise, do you want to set allowed access on every single machine? |
| 13:20.38 | wols_ | appelza: hwat filesystem? |
| 13:20.46 | appelza | ext3 |
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| 13:23.11 | cico | with every apt-get upgrade, when a new security fix is installed, does the version number of the package change? |
| 13:23.11 | appelza | its created using: dd if=/dev/zero of=root_fs bs=1M count=0 seek=500 \ mke2fs -F -j root_fs |
| 13:23.36 | appelza | but id like to resize it to 100MB after it's created |
| 13:24.16 | mitziyahu | is libc the compliment of the winapi |
| 13:24.18 | mitziyahu | ? |
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| 13:25.00 | wols_ | no |
| 13:25.11 | wols_ | libc is the ANSI C standard library |
| 13:25.40 | wols_ | "winapi" is kinda broad. almost impossible to have a single counterpart in linux for it |
| 13:25.57 | mitziyahu | hmm i never programmed for linux |
| 13:26.08 | mitziyahu | what would you call the socket api stack? |
| 13:26.16 | mitziyahu | kernel functions? |
| 13:26.23 | wols_ | appelza: resize2fs and cutting the file (copy it to a new file with dd but only 100MB) |
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| 13:28.01 | Hoxzer | :O |
| 13:28.13 | wols_ | the tcpip stack functions are in libc too |
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| 13:28.37 | appelza | wols_: thanks :) any idea how the syntax would look like? |
| 13:28.38 | appelza | :p |
| 13:28.41 | mitziyahu | so whats it called in linux? |
| 13:28.47 | cico | !tell me etch->leny |
| 13:28.56 | cico | !tell me etch-->leny |
| 13:29.08 | wols_ | !tell cico about etch->lenny |
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| 13:29.23 | cico | thanks wols_ |
| 13:29.34 | wols_ | appelza: syntax of what? |
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| 13:30.18 | humbolt | I have a PPTP DSL connection with a fixed IP (DSL-IP). And I was also assigned a fixed IP network (myNet) which the DSL-IP is not a part of. Now I have a WLAN connected to my debian box (router). What I want to do, is to SNAT all outgoing connections from the WLAN to an IP out of myNet. I know how to do that with IP tables. The question remaining is, which interface to assign the IP of myNet. |
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| 13:30.50 | humbolt | Would I create some kind of dummy interface for that purpose? |
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| 13:32.40 | wols_ | humbolt: the WLAN interface |
| 13:33.57 | cico | (1) http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free and (2) http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free are equivalent, right? |
| 13:34.32 | wols_ | yes. currently etch is stable so they're the same |
| 13:34.49 | wols_ | cico: you are no in the US tho, so don't use their mirrors |
| 13:35.12 | cico | wols_: ok! why are two aliases given if they are the same thing? |
| 13:35.15 | humbolt | wols_: But the WLAN interface needs an private IP to communicate with the clients. Moreove I want to use some of the IPs for my VMs. How would that go together then? |
| 13:35.25 | cico | wols_: is it illegal to use US mirror from Asia? |
| 13:35.56 | wols_ | humbolt: I don't see how your private IP space works at all since how do you route it? |
| 13:36.03 | appelza | wols_: for the dd, I have now resize2fs root_fs 100MB (which resizes the partition), but the root_fs file is still 500mb |
| 13:36.09 | wols_ | cico: no but it'S wasteful for both you and the ISPs |
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| 13:36.15 | cico | ok |
| 13:36.36 | wols_ | appelza: yes, use dd to copy it to a new 100MB file and then delete the old 500MB one |
| 13:36.49 | humbolt | wols: My WLAN interface and WLAN clients have private IPs. Up to now, they were SNATed to the DSL-IP. |
| 13:36.57 | wols_ | in dd use blocksize and count parameters |
| 13:37.06 | appelza | ah ok |
| 13:37.11 | appelza | will do |
| 13:37.13 | appelza | ty |
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| 13:37.23 | wols_ | humbolt: doesn't explain this new IP netblock and how you want to route it |
| 13:37.49 | cico | Get:4 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages [88.0kB] |
| 13:37.49 | cico | Ign http://debian/ lenny Release |
| 13:37.51 | humbolt | wols_: I want to change that now, so WLAN clients are SNATed to one of the myNet IPs. Traffic from the server/router, should still be NATed to the DSL-IP though. |
| 13:37.52 | cico | what does this mean? |
| 13:37.54 | wols_ | I kinda doubt your ISP puts them in his routingtable for you cause if he did the pptp ip would come from that neblock too |
| 13:38.01 | cico | what does Ign mean? |
| 13:38.08 | cico | and why did that happen? ^^^^ |
| 13:38.33 | wols_ | cico: http://debian/ isn't really a valid URL usually |
| 13:38.40 | humbolt | wols_: All traffic to myNet is routed towards the DSL-IP by my provider. |
| 13:38.45 | cico | wols_: we have an internal debian mirror. |
| 13:39.42 | wols_ | cico: somehow it doesn't work too well it seems |
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| 13:39.58 | cico | wols_: what does it mean BTW? |
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| 13:40.21 | humbolt | wols_: The way I tried it was to assign all myNet IPs to the ppp0 DSL interface as well and then just SNAT the WLAN traffic to one of them. But I am having some weird issues, which I can't explain. |
| 13:40.29 | wols_ | that it didn't get any available packages from that repo |
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| 13:42.21 | cico | tried again and this time it worked. |
| 13:42.21 | humbolt | wols_: So I am wondering, if it my router got confused by having more than one IP on ppp0. I also remember the existence of something called something like tap0 some kind of dummy interface or something. Usually used for not yet existing ppp interfaces. I am wondering if this might help me out. |
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| 13:42.59 | wols_ | openvpn uses such a tap0 device for example |
| 13:43.13 | wols_ | or rather a TUN one |
| 13:43.33 | cico | I am about to do dist-upgrade to lenny, it says it is going to remove linux-kernel-headers. why? |
| 13:43.49 | cico | It wants to remove these packages... |
| 13:43.52 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.52 | cico | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.16 | cico | but why does it have to remove the linux-kernel-headers? I need them for kernel module development. |
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| 13:45.58 | wols_ | !info linux-kernel-headers lenny |
| 13:45.59 | humbolt | wols_: the ISP routes the net, just believe it. And why would he take one of the myNet IPs for my PTP DSL connection, when the net is dedicated for use behind that connection? |
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| 13:47.12 | XoX | hey i heard dump backup utility has some problems with linux , something about buffer and page cache not being coherent ..? |
| 13:47.14 | wols_ | cico: the package does not exist in lenny. and you can always install the exact headers for your kernel |
| 13:47.36 | cico | wols_: if the package doesn't exist how would I install it later? |
| 13:47.50 | Wyzard | cico: linux-kernel-headers isn't used for compiling modules |
| 13:47.53 | cico | wols_: and why have they removed linux-kernel-headers in the newer version? it is such a necessary thing. |
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| 13:48.18 | Wyzard | cico: It's used for compiling userspace programs that need to work with kernel data structures (#include <linux/foo.h>) |
| 13:48.24 | bahadunn | cico: they did it because they knew you would show up here asking about it |
| 13:48.32 | cico | Wyzard: I am learning kernel module development from LDD3 and it uses many header files of linux-kernel-headers. |
| 13:48.58 | Wyzard | cico: Kernel modules use headers from the actual exact kernel version they're being compiled against |
| 13:49.22 | XoX | how do i use apt-cache to search for packages with a specific tag |
| 13:49.33 | bahadunn | cico: how do you like that book so far? |
| 13:49.35 | Wyzard | cico: linux-kernel-headers is generic headers from some arbitrary, relatively-recent kernel, for use by things that aren't closely tied to the kernel |
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| 13:50.07 | cico | Wyzard: ok! so after the upgrade, should I separately install linux-headers-`uname -r` ? |
| 13:50.21 | Wyzard | cico: correct |
| 13:50.50 | Wyzard | cico: Actually, you should install the metapackages which always depend on the current kernel and headers, e.g. linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-headers-2.6-686 |
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| 13:51.27 | bahadunn | werent the generic kernel headers moved to some other package? |
| 13:51.44 | cico | Wyzard: linux-image-2.6-686 will be installed in this upgrade itself. |
| 13:51.48 | bahadunn | like the kernel headers used for development? |
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| 13:52.14 | Wyzard | cico: Install linux-headers-2.6-686 to go along with it |
| 13:52.17 | bahadunn | cico: that is a virtual package that depends on the latest actual 2.6-686 kernel |
| 13:52.25 | Wyzard | bahadunn: looks like linux-libc-dev |
| 13:52.41 | bahadunn | Wyzard: yeah that is it |
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| 13:52.56 | bahadunn | Wyzard: thought I remembered that from a bug that was depending on the old package |
| 13:53.22 | bahadunn | caused a few FTBFS bugs |
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| 13:55.42 | cico | I am posting the relevant packages only in the apt-get dist-upgrade output. |
| 13:55.48 | cico | The following NEW packages will be installed: linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 13:55.54 | cico | The following packages will be upgraded: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:56.04 | cico | my current kernel version is: 2.6.18-4-686, how come there are two kernels mentioned, one in the upgrade and one in the installed section. |
| 13:56.11 | cico | I was expecting only one kernel to be present in the upgrade section. |
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| 13:56.34 | Wyzard | cico: linux-image-2.6-686 is an empty package which depends on the latest actual kernel package (in this case linux-image-2.6.22-2-686) |
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| 13:56.46 | humbolt | Nobody any idea how to handle my networking challange? |
| 13:56.58 | Wyzard | cico: apt doesn't automatically install new packages unless something depends on them during a dist-upgrade |
| 13:57.24 | Wyzard | cico: so it's the updated version of linux-image-2.6-686, with the new dependency, which causes linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 to be installed |
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| 13:58.31 | Wyzard | cico: It's a mechanism to ensure that the current kernel is installed -- otherwise nothing would cause 2.6.22 to be installed, and you'd still be running 2.6.18 |
| 13:58.56 | cico | Wyzard: so why don't they just give 2.6.22-2-686 as an upgrade to 2.6.18? |
| 13:59.12 | cico | why do they need a 2.6.22 as depending on 2.6.22-2-686? |
| 13:59.18 | humbolt | wols_: No more comments? |
| 13:59.38 | Wyzard | cico: 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 are in separate packages so that they can be installed simultaneously |
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| 14:00.24 | Wyzard | cico: since you don't want to remove your old kernel immediately when installing a new one (in case of problems with the new one) |
| 14:00.55 | wols_ | humbolt: no. you should use it for the WLAN imho |
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| 14:01.14 | ttl- | greetings |
| 14:01.15 | cico | Wyzard: right! but I don't understand why they should give 2.6.22 as upgrade and 2.6.22-2-686 as install. they could give 2.6.22-2-686 as upgrade directly? |
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| 14:02.06 | humbolt | wols_: So I should assign all the IPs I want to use for Virtual Machines to the WLAN interface as well and then NAT them to the vmnet IPs? |
| 14:02.40 | wols_ | the problem is that you want WLAN and VMs both to use that subnet |
| 14:02.41 | Wyzard | cico: upgrade means a newer version of an existing package... you don't have the linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 package installed currently, so it's a new installation, not an upgrade |
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| 14:03.06 | cico | but then we don't have 2.6.22 either, so how come 2.6.22 is given as upgrade? |
| 14:03.15 | cico | Wyzard ^^^ |
| 14:03.45 | ttl- | after upgrading from etch to lenny i can't get my screen resolution higher than 640x480 |
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| 14:03.58 | ttl- | lspci says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 14:03.58 | Wyzard | cico: linux-image-2.6-686 is a package that you *do* have installed already, and there's a newer version of it available |
| 14:04.07 | humbolt | wols_: Yes, while the way I had it up to now, I would NAT to the VMs anyway, since VMware server does not support public IPs on host-only interfaces. |
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| 14:04.21 | cico | Wyzard: oh! I got it. |
| 14:04.33 | ttl- | tried 16 and 24 for color depth |
| 14:04.43 | Wyzard | cico: The old version of that package happens to be called version 2.6.18 and the new version happens to be called version 2.6.22, but those numbers don't really mean anything; it could just as easily be 1.0 and 2.0 as far as apt is concerned |
| 14:04.55 | humbolt | wols_: As I mentioned, for now I had assigned all IPs to ppp0. But since ppp0 goes offline every once in a while this is not very practical. |
| 14:04.57 | cico | Wyzard: How will this be handled when 2.8 comes out? |
| 14:05.22 | cico | is there a linux-image-2 to handle transistion from 2.6 to 2.8 ? |
| 14:05.27 | Wyzard | cico: but apt upgrades linux-image-2.6-686, and installs linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 to satisfy the dependency of the new version of linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 14:06.02 | ttl- | i reinstalled from netinstall and the same problem |
| 14:06.04 | Wyzard | cico: There's a linux-image-686 which depends on linux-image-2.6-686, and would presumably be updated to depend on linux-image-2.8-686 when a 2.8 kernel is released, but that's not likely to happen anytime soon |
| 14:06.08 | cico | Wyzard: yes I have understood the upgrade from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 but what if 2.6 changes to 2.7 in the far future. |
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| 14:06.29 | ttl- | any help would be welcome |
| 14:06.29 | cico | Wyzard: wow! I am impressed with the package management. |
| 14:06.32 | Wyzard | cico: Strangely, there's a linux-headers-2.6-686 but no linux-headers-686 |
| 14:06.35 | ttl- | thanks |
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| 14:07.57 | cico | Wyzard: dpkg -l | grep linux-image doesn't list linux-image-686 |
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| 14:08.46 | Wyzard | cico: "dpkg -l" only lists packages that are at least partially installed... use "apt-cache show" |
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| 14:09.49 | cico | why isn't linux-image-686 installed? |
| 14:09.57 | cast | i have a nforce 570 board, am using its integrated sata controller, [respective kmod is sata_nv], anyone know how i can plug in a drive and get it recognised sans rebooting? [if at all possible, i know others have done it - but with different controllers] |
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| 14:10.53 | Wyzard | cico: 2.8 is a long way off, if it ever happens, and when it does, upgrading to it will very possibly require more than just pulling in a new linux-image-2.8-686 package |
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| 14:11.11 | Wyzard | cast: Not all drivers support hotplug |
| 14:11.16 | cast | when i had windows installed, it had under its removable devices systray, an option to remove my usb drive...but also an option to remove the C: drive, so me thinks it could be hotswappable |
| 14:11.19 | cico | Wyzard: yes. I asked that just to understand how the package management works. |
| 14:11.22 | dubbaluga | hi! is it possible to configure squid-cache to make use of another proxy? (so the connection runs through two proxies) |
| 14:11.33 | SlayerXP | dubbaluga: yes. |
| 14:11.53 | cico | Wyzard: I want to know why linux-image-686 is not installed whereas the other two are. |
| 14:11.54 | Wyzard | cast: SATA itself is hotpluggable, but only if the controller and the driver support it |
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| 14:12.25 | cast | and what tool does one use when one does plug in a sata drive? |
| 14:12.38 | Wyzard | cico: It might be deprecated or considered unimportant (considering that there's no corresponding linux-headers-686) |
| 14:12.45 | dubbaluga | SlayerXP: ok, so, i cannot find any documentation for that, do you have some catch-words? |
| 14:13.08 | SlayerXP | dubbaluga: ICCP. it's mentioned eextensively in the squid config file. |
| 14:13.09 | Wyzard | cast: You mean software tool? |
| 14:13.12 | cast | aye |
| 14:13.27 | Wyzard | cast: None is needed -- if the driver supports hotplug, it'll automatically notice the new device when you plug it in |
| 14:13.33 | cast | ahh. |
| 14:13.34 | cico | Wyzard: if that is not installed, then it wouldn't be able to help upgrading from 2.6 to 2.8, am I right? |
| 14:13.52 | ttl- | are there known xorg probs with Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) ? |
| 14:13.55 | Wyzard | cico: right |
| 14:14.15 | cico | Wyzard: thanks for your time. |
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| 14:15.01 | dubbaluga | SlayerXP: Are you talking about the Inter-Control Center Communications Protocol? |
| 14:15.26 | SlayerXP | dubbaluga: also WCCP |
| 14:15.38 | SlayerXP | also ICP for that matter |
| 14:15.45 | Wyzard | cast: See if your BIOS has an option to use that controller as AHCI -- I've heard that recent nForce chipsets support AHCI, and that's the best-supported type of SATA controller in Linux currently (both hotplug and NCQ fully supported) |
| 14:16.27 | dubbaluga | SlayerXP: Ok, i found something about that in the configuration file |
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| 14:17.36 | cast | Wyzard: hmm, is there a way to see if thats set already? i was kinda hoping not to reboot :) |
| 14:18.01 | dubbaluga | SlayerXP: but i don't know if it's that what i am looking for - i want to use the second proxy to provide authentication which is needed for the first proxy so that people behind the second do not have to authenticate themselves |
| 14:18.25 | Wyzard | cast: If sata_nv is being loaded automatically for your controller, it's not using AHCI |
| 14:19.05 | Wyzard | cast: If it has an option to switch to AHCI, it'd make the controller show up as a different type of device on the PCI bus, and it'd have a different entry in lspci, probably mentioning AHCI |
| 14:19.28 | Alarm | hello, why when i add a kdm theme in the theme manager, nothing happens and it doesnt activate them ? |
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| 14:20.26 | cast | Wyzard: ahh, hmmm. alright, thanks. will investigate further when drives arrive :) |
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| 14:21.04 | Alarm | sorry for not mentioning on kde |
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| 14:21.58 | junix|work | i need to get extended desktop working with ATI Radeon 2400 Pro, is there an easy wayt to do this?? |
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| 14:24.12 | |DawnLight| | junix|work: the easiest way, if someone isn't going to do this for you, is to read the documentation |
| 14:24.54 | junix|work | thanks, i know |
| 14:25.01 | junix|work | i was hoping there was a website |
| 14:25.10 | junix|work | i could find out what to dso |
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| 14:25.50 | junix|work | and i serached yestarday for a good hour |
| 14:25.54 | junix|work | nothing came up |
| 14:26.27 | wAndyw78 | Hi. Have anyone running debian lenny with compitz & propriority NVIDIA drivers? Found some ubuntu tutorials, but hese doesn't work |
| 14:26.39 | |DawnLight| | junix|work: whats dso? |
| 14:26.44 | junix|work | do |
| 14:26.50 | junix|work | it is a mistype |
| 14:26.52 | |DawnLight| | oh |
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| 14:27.17 | tarzeau | wAndyw78: i'm using debian etch+sid with proprietary nvidia drivers |
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| 14:27.40 | wAndyw78 | tarzeau: with compiz? |
| 14:28.11 | tarzeau | wAndyw78: how can i use compiz? |
| 14:28.31 | cast | serious communication breakdown^ |
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| 14:28.48 | tarzeau | wAndyw78: which version of compiz do you use? |
| 14:28.54 | |DawnLight| | !tell wAndyw78 about ubuntu |
| 14:28.54 | |DawnLight| | wAndyw78: why not upgrade? |
| 14:29.14 | jelly-home | |DawnLight|: upgrade to what? sid? |
| 14:29.20 | wAndyw78 | to what? |
| 14:29.27 | cast | because ubuntu is a downgrade *cough* |
| 14:29.29 | tarzeau | experimental has a later version |
| 14:29.31 | wAndyw78 | from lenny to sid? no, thanks |
| 14:29.35 | tarzeau | jelly-home: lenny+sid have the same |
| 14:29.45 | tarzeau | cast: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/ |
| 14:29.46 | azeem | wAndyw78: the final lenny release will have that working I guess |
| 14:30.32 | |DawnLight| | oh oops, i have a bug with the names |
| 14:30.44 | wols_ | wAndyw78: what is the error? |
| 14:30.53 | azeem | tarzeau: you're aware that Ubuntu rebuilds all packages, not just those with a `ubuntu' in the version? |
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| 14:31.11 | wAndyw78 | wols_: the tile bar (minimize, maximize,clode) disappear |
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| 14:31.16 | tarzeau | azeem: yes, it's not a guarantee either it'll work |
| 14:31.19 | tarzeau | azeem: it worked for me :) |
| 14:31.45 | azeem | tarzeau: I'll have you publically stoned if you ever suggest that script to users in here |
| 14:31.47 | wols_ | wAndyw78: any decorator packages installed? |
| 14:32.19 | azeem | wAndyw78: and any plugins? |
| 14:32.19 | wAndyw78 | wols_: andy i cant find the compiz configuration settings. From ubuntu they are refered as ccsm, but no debian package provide this |
| 14:32.26 | azeem | the current compiz is broken AFAIK |
| 14:32.35 | azeem | wAndyw78: they're not there yet, be patient |
| 14:32.40 | tarzeau | middle ages AD 2000 |
| 14:32.43 | azeem | will arrive in lenny over the next weeks |
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| 14:32.56 | cydork | azeem: it's not broken, it just doesn't enable all the plugins by default.. |
| 14:33.00 | wAndyw78 | azeem: okay, the i'll have to be patient |
| 14:33.22 | wAndyw78 | wols_: what decorator plugin? |
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| 14:33.35 | |DawnLight| | does etch have anything that'll make my desktop environment kinky? |
| 14:33.48 | wols_ | wAndyw78: apt-cache search compiz |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | !info sex sarge |
| 14:33.58 | tarzeau | |DawnLight|: point your browser to google images "kinky" |
| 14:33.58 | azeem | cydork: last I tried, it didn't enable *any* plugins |
| 14:33.59 | Braindead | kinky as in "scat backgrounds" and such? |
| 14:34.00 | cydork | |DawnLight|: define kinky? |
| 14:34.09 | abrotman | oh .. it's gone? |
| 14:34.13 | Aw0L | I would like to integrate a samba file server into a windows domain (AD) - can anyone recommend a good doc? |
| 14:34.37 | abrotman | Aw0L: samba.org .. or ask #samba |
| 14:34.43 | wAndyw78 | wols_: Yes, I've already installed "compiz" "compiz-gnome" and "compiz-plugins" |
| 14:34.54 | cydork | azeem: yeah, that is the problem :) |
| 14:34.56 | Aw0L | abrotman, no debian-specific stuff huh? ok, thanks... |
| 14:35.10 | wols_ | etch doesn't have the compiz settings thingie afaik cause some (python) lib is missing in etch |
| 14:35.31 | wols_ | as for the missing titlebars it's a very common problem and there is a fix. somewhere |
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| 14:35.41 | wols_ | the ubuntu cmpiz channel knows about it afaik |
| 14:35.59 | UNDERsoN | ion3 in debian repo? |
| 14:36.03 | azeem | cydork: i.e. "broken" |
| 14:36.13 | wols_ | UNDERsoN: not DFSG compliant |
| 14:37.01 | wAndyw78 | wols_: do I need emerald? |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: non-free i believe |
| 14:37.10 | cydork | wAndyw78: no you don't |
| 14:37.20 | stew | UNDERsoN: its in non-free and in unstable only |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | stew: any chance tritium will be in soon? :) |
| 14:37.51 | UNDERsoN | what else is lite and in debian etch |
| 14:37.57 | Braindead | UNDERsoN: fluxbox |
| 14:37.58 | cydork | wAndyw78: if you don't have any decorations check http://bugs.debian.org/440095 |
| 14:38.00 | wols_ | ratpoison |
| 14:38.01 | azeem | wAndyw78: try http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/11253.html |
| 14:38.06 | abrotman | UNDERsoN: ratpoison and flux/black/open box |
| 14:38.27 | UNDERsoN | ratpoison sounds good )) |
| 14:38.31 | cast | screen :D |
| 14:39.08 | tarzeau | wAndyw78: try http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/london2007brighton/slides/img_5636.html |
| 14:39.08 | stew | UNDERsoN: wmii-3 is worth a look as well |
| 14:39.09 | wols_ | cast: screen is no WM. sure it's better than one but it's no WM |
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| 14:40.52 | cydork | hmm no one has packaged http://awesome.naquadah.org/ yet.. |
| 14:41.11 | azeem | the author is a DD |
| 14:42.11 | wAndyw78 | azeem: I think this will solve my problem, thank you |
| 14:42.29 | wAndyw78 | cydork: Thank you too (same bug report as azeem) |
| 14:42.34 | azeem | wAndyw78: make sure to properly restart X |
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| 14:42.48 | wAndyw78 | okay, will restart now :-) |
| 14:42.48 | azeem | wAndyw78: i.e. not just logout, but restart gdm, e.g. |
| 14:42.59 | wAndyw78 | yes, xyes, yes... :-) |
| 14:43.00 | cydork | azeem: aah.. there is ITP for that. |
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| 14:45.11 | E-bola | Hi im currently deploying our new backup client on a few debian etch servers |
| 14:45.20 | E-bola | does it make sence to backup /dev, /proc and /sys ? |
| 14:45.31 | azeem | no |
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| 14:46.06 | cast | how does one deal with wanting to backup /dev perms etc..? |
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| 14:46.20 | E-bola | cast: well azeem just said u shouldnt back it up? |
| 14:46.35 | cast | and my question doesn't disagree :o |
| 14:46.37 | azeem | E-bola: do you have a static /dev, or do you use udev? |
| 14:46.42 | E-bola | I use udev |
| 14:46.52 | azeem | then it doesn't make sense to back it up, AFAICT |
| 14:46.55 | E-bola | 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:47.13 | E-bola | I was pretty sure i shouldnt be backing up /proc and /dev since i never have before |
| 14:47.16 | E-bola | but what is /sys for? |
| 14:47.26 | E-bola | I havent seent hat before on my old debian systems |
| 14:47.46 | dcnoye | what files need to be changed in order to change the hostname ? |
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| 14:48.08 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 14:48.09 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 14:48.26 | azeem | E-bola: it's populated by the kernel and pretty much read-only I think |
| 14:48.52 | E-bola | azeem: is it correct to say its a kernel 2-6 specific thing? |
| 14:48.56 | azeem | yes |
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| 14:49.39 | BudgetDedicated | what is the quickest (least traffic intensive) way to get the second-to-last hop for a given IP? |
| 14:50.30 | wols_ | traceroute, mtr |
| 14:50.37 | wols_ | traceroute uses less traffic tho |
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| 14:52.29 | BudgetDedicated | wols_: traceroute hits all the hops in between, that is a pretty big hit on the routers because they need to cylcle the CPU to deal with the answer. |
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| 14:53.12 | wols_ | I don't see another way to get the 2nd to last hop (or any hop) |
| 14:54.19 | BudgetDedicated | wols if I could inspect the incomming packets from an IP and see what the TTL is on that packet I can guess the second to last hop and send a ping with the ttl-1 to find it |
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| 14:55.03 | wols_ | ping tells you the ttl |
| 14:55.06 | rubymonk | Damn.... dm-crypt is a performance killer on writes |
| 14:55.08 | stew | BudgetDedicated: and then you have to hope that the number of hops (which can change at any time) doesn't change for the second packet |
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| 14:55.34 | rubymonk | En operation I was doing in 5 minutes takes now 50 minutes :( |
| 14:55.36 | BudgetDedicated | stew: yes I know, but I do not need to be 100% sure |
| 14:55.38 | rubymonk | Any idea ? |
| 14:55.51 | BudgetDedicated | rubymonk: get some coffee |
| 14:56.02 | jelly-home | rubymonk: except from "don't do that, then"? |
| 14:56.15 | wols_ | BudgetDedicated: you can't use ping for what you want btw: icmp_seq=1 Time to live exceeded |
| 14:56.19 | wols_ | that's all you get |
| 14:56.22 | rubymonk | I need encryption... |
| 14:56.24 | xored | someone here who can help me with amavis + exim. Debian etch, exim4/ amavis-new..i have followed the steps in the REAMD.exim4 but when sending a mail, it is redirected to amavis but then it fails with : 2007-11-06 15:43:00 1IpPds-000613-OK == xxxx@xxx.xx R=amavis_director T=amavis defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
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| 14:57.30 | petemc | xored: see what exim4 -d -bt user says |
| 14:57.42 | lkthomas | does anyone knows if I use qdisc to run QoS, implemented policy is to share 10M bandwidth, what will happen when a user pulling 9.5M of bandwidth ? |
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| 14:59.19 | xored | petemc: what should i watch there ? |
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| 14:59.51 | petemc | xored: the output of the command, see if its delivered successfully |
| 14:59.52 | humbolt | Is there connection tracking form UDP DNS requests? |
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| 15:00.24 | xored | petemc: gethostbyname2(af=inet) returned 1 (HOST_NOT_FOUND) |
| 15:00.39 | xored | petemc: i guess he is trying to resolve the hostname of my office server |
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| 15:00.48 | petemc | take your time, read it all.. |
| 15:00.53 | xored | petemc: or? can i just force him to use the ip ? |
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| 15:01.46 | donaldo_ | lkthomas: i'm not really sure what you're getting at with your question. if they haven't reached the threshold, nothing should happen. however, |
| 15:02.26 | donaldo_ | lkthomas: 9.5M of successful TCP bandwidth != 9.5M total bandwidth |
| 15:02.49 | donaldo_ | lkthomas: since there is overhead to take into consideration |
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| 15:03.05 | xored | petemc: http://pastebin.com/m4d86ef7a |
| 15:03.21 | donaldo_ | lkthomas: of course.. maybe you're talking about disk bandwidth... |
| 15:03.22 | xored | petemc: i suggest he cant resolve the hostname or anything, not sure what is wrong |
| 15:03.36 | donaldo_ | lkthomas: which i know nothing about, sorry for opening my mouth before fully reading your message |
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| 15:04.38 | winjer | anyone know what the canonical debian way of loading iptables config is? |
| 15:04.40 | humbolt | When I configure a firewall for my machine, do I need to allow UDP packets from anybody on port 53 in, so I can receive answers to my DNS queries? |
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| 15:04.50 | psufan | hey |
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| 15:05.04 | psufan | I dunno if this is the channel or it should be the knoppix channel |
| 15:05.09 | petemc | xored: that was routed to the amavis transport |
| 15:05.17 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.23 | petemc | xored: why are you using amavis anyway? |
| 15:05.33 | donaldo | psufan: it's as good a place as any to ask :) |
| 15:05.38 | Braindead | psufan: as in "/join #knoppix" |
| 15:05.49 | psufan | I got a knoppix security distro installed on a remote pc doing packet sniffing for a customer and I wanted to install midnight command and nano but apt-get is giving me a message about libc needing to be installed and I am concerned about breaking the box which is 2-3 hrs away |
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| 15:05.59 | donaldo | psufan: and yes, whenever you make a DNS request, you have no guarantee from what network node the response will come |
| 15:06.06 | psufan | huh? |
| 15:06.08 | xored | petemc: good question. Lets say, its often used and i cant see any bad things using it. A service running on a port, seem like a good idea or ? |
| 15:06.22 | donaldo | psufan: moreover i don't think DNS packets authenticate their sender |
| 15:06.30 | psufan | what the canuck are you going on about |
| 15:06.34 | psufan | I never asked about dns |
| 15:06.40 | Braindead | donaldo: check the autocomplete before pressing enter |
| 15:06.40 | jelly-home | humbolt: if your machine is just a client, you could use your ISP's DNS resolvers and only allow responses from them. |
| 15:06.59 | donaldo | lol sorry |
| 15:07.05 | psufan | np :P |
| 15:07.10 | donaldo | humbolt: those messages were for you :P |
| 15:07.17 | wols | psufan: /msg dpkg knoppix |
| 15:07.23 | wols | we onyl support debian |
| 15:07.28 | petemc | xored: huh? i do my spam and virus checking in the exim acls, where i can reject mails back to the sending host - you dont have that option with amavis |
| 15:07.34 | psufan | wols ok that's what I needed to know |
| 15:07.35 | wols | any mixing packages between distros is bad |
| 15:07.37 | psufan | thanks, peace out etc |
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| 15:07.44 | Braindead | psufan: your question is strictly knoppix/whateverderived related. it's a mess caused by the stable/testing/unstable+custom stuff knoppix is made out of. ask #knoppix and #whatever-security-distro you are using |
| 15:07.50 | psufan | it is based on debian based btw :P |
| 15:07.58 | psufan | but np |
| 15:07.59 | psufan | thx |
| 15:08.08 | petemc | gosh, no one knew that |
| 15:08.14 | xored | petemc: seems to be the right way you do it, could we discuss this further in #exim ? |
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| 15:08.24 | minerale | I'm calling a program go run under inetd (subversion server) -- how can I prespecify the 'umask' for the process ? |
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| 15:11.48 | sinizzl | hi |
| 15:12.23 | sinizzl | what service/package do i have to install to have my debian server synced with internettime? it's telling me that today is teh 11th of June, 2007 at 19:13 (MET) |
| 15:13.11 | Steven_elvisda_ | tzconfig |
| 15:13.14 | tarzeau | sinizzl: ntp? |
| 15:13.19 | tarzeau | Steven_elvisda_: nah |
| 15:13.21 | wols | use ntpdate or chrony |
| 15:13.30 | Steven_elvisda_ | ohh yeah |
| 15:13.31 | Steven_elvisda_ | :D |
| 15:13.42 | wols | sinizzl: and set your BIOS clock properly |
| 15:13.52 | Steven_elvisda_ | what diference between ntpdate and tzconfig? |
| 15:13.56 | Steven_elvisda_ | ohhh |
| 15:14.01 | beardy | A lot. |
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| 15:14.18 | Steven_elvisda_ | lolz |
| 15:14.34 | sinizzl | its telling me that no servers can be used |
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| 15:14.50 | wols | what is and what is your commandline? |
| 15:14.53 | beardy | sinizzl: Exact command? |
| 15:15.27 | sinizzl | ah schweet |
| 15:15.30 | sinizzl | it's working now |
| 15:15.32 | sinizzl | nevermind :D |
| 15:17.03 | humbolt | jelly-home: donaldo: just been told on #netfilter, all I need to allow is my requests to go out, since netfilter will wait for an answer from that IP/port until some timeout is reached. |
| 15:18.31 | dcnoye | searching for killall and not finding.. is it in a package hiding ... ? |
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| 15:20.12 | SlayerXP | tell dcnoye about p.d.o |
| 15:20.19 | SlayerXP | !tell dcnoye about p.d.o |
| 15:20.23 | SlayerXP | *sigh* |
| 15:21.18 | wols | SlayerXP: pdo |
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| 15:21.19 | xored | somehow my clamav daemon is not creating the socket file at /var/run/clamav/ .. any idea ? |
| 15:22.07 | petemc | have you checked /etc/clamav/clamd.conf ? |
| 15:22.21 | dcnoye | thanks SlayerXP |
| 15:22.26 | dcnoye | found it :D |
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| 15:22.55 | xored | petemc: yes : LocalSocket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl |
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| 15:23.18 | petemc | have you checked the log? |
| 15:23.50 | xored | Tue Nov 6 16:05:36 2007 -> ERROR: Unable to create temporary directory |
| 15:23.54 | xored | yeah right now sorry :/ |
| 15:24.10 | xored | where should be the clamav tmp dir ? |
| 15:24.46 | petemc | have you checked /etc/clamav/clamd.conf ? |
| 15:24.47 | xored | ah ok, its defined |
| 15:25.01 | petemc | i can just repeat the same answers again and again |
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| 15:25.11 | xored | , but its /tmp ...which is writeable globaly. ( sorry for wasting your time ) |
| 15:25.25 | petemc | you need to think about things before asking in irc |
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| 15:26.38 | xored | petemc: true. |
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| 15:27.09 | wols | petemc: if people follow your advice, debian will only have join/part messages and nothing else |
| 15:27.29 | petemc | you say that as if its a bad thing |
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| 15:28.24 | wols | well, all message would only be trolls. would make the SNR ratio unbearable |
| 15:29.02 | petemc | i dont think its unreasonable to ask people to take a few minutes to think about something before asking for help |
| 15:29.07 | petemc | irregardless of what you say |
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| 15:30.01 | wols | it would also be nice to not have any wars on this world. but neither thing is gonna happen :( |
| 15:30.10 | Nyle | hi |
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| 15:31.06 | OminousZ | I firmly beleive that one day, wars will no longer happen on this planet |
| 15:31.18 | DawnLight | oh of course |
| 15:31.22 | drc | you are wrong sir |
| 15:31.25 | OminousZ | .... because everyone will be rich enough to fight with money |
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| 15:31.29 | xingu | I firmly believe that you'll see the end of property law and currency before you see the last war on this planet |
| 15:31.41 | drc | that's not possible |
| 15:31.44 | abrotman | petemc: think? about what? you lost me |
| 15:31.45 | Braindead | yeah! pillow fights. with pillows full of money |
| 15:31.46 | zinx | OminousZ: the only way that will happen is if every last shred of life is completely eliminated |
| 15:31.50 | Braindead | no coins please. |
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| 15:32.10 | petemc | abrotman: heaving breasts, big bouncing titties |
| 15:32.22 | junix|work | how do i do extended desktops using ATI Radeon 2400 Pro?? |
| 15:32.25 | petemc | women in tight jeans and fuckme boots |
| 15:32.56 | abrotman | petemc: sorry .. i lost you .. i was staring at your titties |
| 15:32.56 | OminousZ | Think outside the box, and stop speaking in absolutes, all of you! forever! |
| 15:33.09 | xored | petemc: Tue Nov 6 16:22:25 2007 -> Reading databases from /var/lib/clamav |
| 15:33.10 | petemc | time for a paradigm shift |
| 15:33.10 | abrotman | junix|work: on two screens? |
| 15:33.20 | junix|work | abrotman: yes |
| 15:33.29 | xored | petemc: it stop there, i solved the tmp file error..but the socket is still not creatied |
| 15:33.45 | OminousZ | petemc, you lost me at paradigm, par sounds too much like pair, which leads me back to the heaving breasts |
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| 15:34.21 | xingu | OminousZ: "she had heaving nipples, the size of a pair of dimes" |
| 15:34.26 | petemc | xored: anything in /etc/default/clamav-daemon ? |
| 15:34.40 | OminousZ | xingu, creepy. |
| 15:34.56 | drc | big titties are bad, bad, bad |
| 15:34.58 | OminousZ | I can only imagine what those things plot at night. |
| 15:35.23 | xored | petemc: no options, no |
| 15:36.01 | petemc | xored: it really should work out of the box - you're using etch? |
| 15:36.29 | abrotman | junix|work: xinerama or xrandr |
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| 15:37.01 | xored | petemc: etch, but upgraded from sarge months ago |
| 15:37.07 | xored | petemc: could that be a problem ? |
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| 15:37.27 | petemc | xored: shouldnt have thought so, ive done same on a good few boxes |
| 15:37.47 | abrotman | is something chrooted ? |
| 15:37.53 | xored | abrotman: no |
| 15:38.05 | xored | abrotman: yes, but nothing server related, its an application |
| 15:38.23 | xingu | the hardest thing about coming home from a long weekend in .be is getting through the day with no beer :| |
| 15:38.24 | junix|work | abrotman: how do i know which one i am running? |
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| 15:38.48 | petemc | .be |
| 15:38.50 | xored | when updating freshclam, i get : |
| 15:38.50 | xored | WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! |
| 15:38.51 | petemc | erm |
| 15:38.51 | xored | WARNING: Local version: 0.90.1 Recommended version: 0.91.2 |
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| 15:39.07 | petemc | xored: oh, i use packages from volatile |
| 15:39.17 | DawnLight | !volatile |
| 15:39.18 | dpkg | well, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/ |
| 15:39.18 | xored | volatile is ? |
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| 15:40.56 | abrotman | junix|work: probably depends on oyur version of debian |
| 15:41.47 | junix|work | latest stable |
| 15:42.10 | xored | how to import the key for apt for the volatile sources ? |
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| 15:42.47 | petemc | asking before thinking, again |
| 15:42.47 | SlayerXP | !topicsmite xored |
| 15:42.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon xored. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 15:43.10 | SlayerXP | well, clsoe enough |
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| 15:44.12 | SlackRat | i feel edified....somehow.....sigh |
| 15:44.21 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:44.35 | Nyle | weirdos ;) |
| 15:45.14 | SlackRat | heh, wierd is relative.... |
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| 15:46.24 | munga | Hi all, I've a poweredge 2950 with 8Gb and an intel xeon processor... Which kernel should I use ? 64bits ? pae ? |
| 15:46.50 | wols | munga: what platform? i386 or amd64ß |
| 15:47.09 | munga | wols: i386 |
| 15:47.18 | wols | the bigmem kernel |
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| 15:48.53 | munga | wols: linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem ... Do you know if this processor is a 64 bits ? the other problem now... I need xen kernel... should I re-compile it or there is stock xen kernel with bigmem support ? |
| 15:49.18 | DawnLight | is it possible to change the username of a user? are there complications? considering the user has yet to log in |
| 15:49.45 | stew | DawnLight: you can edit their username with vipw |
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| 15:50.28 | stew | DawnLight: or with usermod |
| 15:50.32 | munga | wols: ok, don't tell me : xen-hypervisor-i386-pae ? |
| 15:50.53 | wols | munga: don't know about xen |
| 15:51.03 | wols | and uisually pae is labeled as "bigmem" |
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| 15:52.34 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 15:58.12 | Aw0L | is kernel 2.6 still considered unstable for debian? |
| 15:58.29 | azeem | no |
| 15:58.34 | stew | Aw0L: 2.6 kernels are the only ones supported for the current version of debian |
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| 15:58.57 | Gambaroni | When I restarted my computer I get this when trying to connect to vsftpd: Response:500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_recv_peek? It worked fine before I restarted.. |
| 15:59.02 | Aw0L | stew, ah, must be old docs that I found - thanks |
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| 16:03.35 | keith4 | any chance of getting the ath wifi driver to work with wpa supplicant in etch? |
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| 16:04.11 | row | Hey I have someone using pgp desktop and they have given me their key pair for use in gnupg setup but for some reason the key wont work, is there any speical export/import method that would fix that? |
| 16:04.19 | cast | /join #gnupg |
| 16:05.18 | row | cast: will do |
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| 16:07.10 | cmacis | hi all. having trouble with my ipod. I try mounting it and I get the error message: mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPARATOR (usually /) |
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| 16:07.47 | cast | and your mount command is? |
| 16:08.41 | stew | cmacis: are you mounting it manually or is an automounter mounting it? |
| 16:08.54 | stew | i'll bet there is a / in the volume label or something |
| 16:09.22 | cmacis | right click on the icon in system:/media/ and select mount. I've not got the hang of all the console stuff yet. |
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| 16:09.48 | stew | cmacis: what application are you right clicking in? nautilus? konqueror? |
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| 16:11.05 | karmatronic | cmacis: you should use a dedicated tool like gtkpod to manage (that also includes mounting) your ipod |
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| 16:12.54 | cmacis | kopete disconnected :( did you have a solution? |
| 16:13.59 | Gambaroni | When I restarted my computer I get this when trying to connect to vsftpd: Response:500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_recv_peek? It worked fine before I restarted.. |
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| 16:19.36 | cmacis | it's okay, I found scripts that work |
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| 16:21.28 | linomix | could cat command combine 'binary' files together as well as text files? |
| 16:21.36 | cast | yip |
| 16:23.23 | donaldo | anyone know of a good commandline tool for searching source code (in this case java, but i'd prefer a versatile solution) |
| 16:23.49 | cast | grep? |
| 16:23.50 | _Quiddity | grep? |
| 16:23.56 | donaldo | right now all i have is a bash function i wrote that uses find, xargs, grep, and ignores directories with "svn" in the name |
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| 16:24.36 | donaldo | but i can think of a few features that are nontrivial to implement that might be nice to have |
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| 16:24.48 | cast | like? |
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| 16:25.11 | donaldo | like.. indexing is a big one |
| 16:25.24 | cast | ahh, fair call |
| 16:25.25 | donaldo | another might be searching for usages of a particular class member function/variable |
| 16:25.28 | donaldo | which unless it's static |
| 16:25.37 | donaldo | requires some kind of type knowledge |
| 16:25.47 | linomix | donaldo, svn directories are hidden, and that's why they are ignored |
| 16:26.00 | donaldo | linomix: well they aren't hidden from grep -R |
| 16:26.19 | donaldo | which was why i resorted to find|xargs|grep -H.. |
| 16:26.23 | donaldo | err |
| 16:26.31 | donaldo | find|xargs|grep -V svn|grep -H |
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| 16:28.00 | xingu | donaldo: "rgrep" |
| 16:28.08 | donaldo | wuzzat? |
| 16:28.30 | cast | grep -r, heh |
| 16:29.07 | linomix | recursive grep |
| 16:29.08 | xingu | oh, there's another one, in expect I think |
| 16:29.35 | donaldo | oh |
| 16:29.36 | donaldo | well |
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| 16:29.49 | donaldo | xingu: grep doesn't ignore hidden directories, afaik there's no such option either |
| 16:30.28 | xingu | donaldo: I think the rgrep/expect variant has file glob patterns, not sure if it has dir glob ones |
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| 16:31.17 | donaldo | i'm unfamiliar with 'expect' |
| 16:31.21 | xingu | donaldo: --exclude-dir= ? |
| 16:31.33 | donaldo | xingu: oh, .. good thinking |
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| 16:31.41 | xingu | donaldo: also, --include='glob' |
| 16:31.45 | Jyzygzel- | what do you need to be able to print wiht a printer in linux? |
| 16:32.02 | cast | Jyzygzel-: cups |
| 16:32.04 | donaldo | Jyzygzel-: CUPS most likely, what kind of printer? |
| 16:32.16 | Jyzygzel- | donaldo one that goes to the older port |
| 16:32.16 | donaldo | Jyzygzel-: i highly recommend against HP USB printers |
| 16:32.17 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: the patience of job, and a strong beer |
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| 16:32.21 | Jyzygzel- | not USB but the.. you know :D |
| 16:32.34 | Jyzygzel- | not serial port |
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| 16:32.47 | donaldo | i believe the parallel port was also commonly referred to as the "printer port" |
| 16:32.49 | xingu | pc load letter |
| 16:32.51 | Jyzygzel- | yes paraller! |
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| 16:33.16 | Jyzygzel- | D25? |
| 16:33.43 | donaldo | Jyzygzel-: well if i were you, the first thing i'd do is google for your printer model and "debian" or the name of your distro to see if anyone has written specifically about it |
| 16:33.46 | xoz | Jyzygzel-: install cups and admin printer through localhost:631 |
| 16:33.53 | donaldo | Jyzygzel-: easy way to save yourself a lot of headaches when using/choosing a new device |
| 16:34.16 | xingu | ieee1284, if you please :) |
| 16:34.36 | Jyzygzel- | hmm so apt-get install cups? |
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| 16:34.57 | cast | aptitude install* |
| 16:35.11 | Jyzygzel- | i always use apt-get install |
| 16:35.25 | bolt | How can I move files the windows way, so to speak, meaning any existing files are overwritten, existing directories get both sets of files (the new ones and the ones that were there) and so on? Like, I have directory a/ and directory b/. Both contain a directory named c/ and d/ which in turn contain a bunch of files. I want all this in one directory, a/, and any files that exist in both, i want whats in b/ |
| 16:35.33 | Jyzygzel- | maybe i should alias it? |
| 16:35.37 | xoz | apt-cache search cups ... look for cups and other supporting files |
| 16:36.05 | DawnLight | linux-printing.org |
| 16:36.09 | xoz | i like apt-get install cups* ... aptitude does not support this kind of install |
| 16:36.38 | Jyzygzel- | hmm lets see |
| 16:36.42 | xoz | like apt-get install r-cran* |
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| 16:36.47 | Jyzygzel- | the cupsys seems ok |
| 16:36.49 | DawnLight | xoz: why should you use a wildcard? |
| 16:37.06 | xoz | DawnLight: r-cran-* for example |
| 16:37.10 | Jyzygzel- | holy cow |
| 16:37.17 | Jyzygzel- | 25MB :( |
| 16:37.25 | DawnLight | Jyzygzel-: try looking for your printer in http://linux-printing.org |
| 16:37.32 | Jyzygzel- | oh ok |
| 16:37.37 | Braindead | xoz: aptitude installs with wildcards |
| 16:37.38 | Jyzygzel- | i have SUPER old |
| 16:37.44 | xoz | Braindead: how? |
| 16:38.03 | xoz | can it do aptitude install r-cran-*? i dont think so. |
| 16:38.13 | Braindead | aptitude -s install ~n^cups |
| 16:38.39 | xingu | bolt: take a backup first, then try something like mkdir d/; ln -f a/*/* b/*/* d/ |
| 16:38.47 | Braindead | xoz: aptitude-doc is your friend |
| 16:38.53 | Jyzygzel- | DawnLight found mine |
| 16:38.55 | Jyzygzel- | BW laser printer, works Perfectly |
| 16:38.58 | DawnLight | very old printers are my favorite |
| 16:39.05 | Jyzygzel- | Recommended driver: lbp8 |
| 16:39.06 | xingu | bolt: and inspect the contents of d/ to see if it's what you want; if so, rm a/ and b/ |
| 16:39.10 | DawnLight | lucky! |
| 16:39.15 | xoz | Braindead: heh.. |
| 16:39.49 | Braindead | xoz: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html here you go |
| 16:40.07 | Jyzygzel- | so should i do apt-get install cupsys? |
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| 16:41.01 | xoz | Braindead: apt-get install r-cran-* i think is faster |
| 16:41.20 | Braindead | xoz: define "faster" |
| 16:41.24 | xoz | Braindead: and straigthtforward. |
| 16:41.37 | Braindead | and with loose dependencies you'll have to clean |
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| 16:41.40 | DawnLight | Jyzygzel-: you should learn how to use aptitude and learn how cups works and how to install it in debian |
| 16:41.42 | xoz | like ls r-cran-* ... the natural way |
| 16:42.13 | xoz | im not yet convinced to use aptitude over apt-get |
| 16:42.22 | Braindead | not my problem. |
| 16:42.29 | xingu | xoz: too bad if you have something matching that glob in cwd eh? :) |
| 16:42.50 | DawnLight | Jyzygzel-: http://wiki.debian.org/CUPS seems ok |
| 16:42.57 | xoz | xingu: just cd again... heh |
| 16:43.00 | xingu | bash expansions does apt-get install now |
| 16:43.10 | xingu | apt-get install cpu<tab> |
| 16:43.13 | xingu | or whatever. |
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| 16:43.27 | xoz | xingu: with bash_completion |
| 16:43.32 | xingu | that's the one |
| 16:43.37 | Braindead | xoz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html if it can help. I'm done |
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| 16:45.01 | cast | donaldo: was pissing me off...forgot how to exclude files in find, but find . -type d -name '.svn' -prune -o -print seems to work good |
| 16:45.19 | xoz | Braindead: don't like the behavior. i would use feta recommends <package> if i want recommends... and other advanced function. apt-get is lean and installs only the ones i want. |
| 16:45.59 | Braindead | xoz: you just don't know aptitude. just disable the reccommend option and you're done. |
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| 16:46.20 | Braindead | stop dissing something you clearly don't understand. nor know |
| 16:46.25 | xoz | Braindead: i know. im just get used to the behavior of apt-get. |
| 16:46.56 | xoz | im not dissing. if you like aptitude, fine. i like apt-get and dselect for that matter/ |
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| 16:47.04 | Braindead | back in the days we only had dselect. AND WE LIKED IT! ....tzk, whippersnappers |
| 16:47.08 | Braindead | yeah, I nailed it |
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| 16:47.30 | xoz | yep |
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| 16:48.39 | donaldo | cast: thanks! |
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| 16:49.18 | dsa | hi guys |
| 16:49.28 | dsa | i trying to build psqlodbc in debian |
| 16:49.42 | dsa | but unixodbc does not have the odbc_config tool |
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| 16:50.20 | dsa | is it a unixodbc packaging erro r? |
| 16:50.33 | dsa | since, in archlinux or any other distro it is included |
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| 16:54.15 | abrotman | !find odbc_config etch |
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| 16:54.41 | theholyduck | hm.. |
| 16:54.50 | theholyduck | i cant get the debian network installer thingy to work. |
| 16:54.58 | theholyduck | i mean windows installer |
| 16:55.12 | theholyduck | some god damn idiot "friend" decided to "reinstall windows" |
| 16:55.14 | theholyduck | on my computer |
| 16:55.18 | theholyduck | cause it wouldnt play counterstrike |
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| 16:55.25 | theholyduck | when he was lending it for web browsing |
| 16:55.37 | theholyduck | and im out of free cd-rs |
| 16:55.53 | theholyduck | and no where near my debian install cd. |
| 16:55.56 | cast | !enter |
| 16:55.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 16:56.07 | theholyduck | ah yeah. i keep doing that. sorry bout it :P |
| 16:56.21 | cico | where can I learn everything abut debian package management? |
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| 16:56.40 | cast | cico: debian.org has a docs section, the new maintainers guide is good |
| 16:56.43 | SlackRat | read The Debian System by martin kraft? |
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| 16:57.59 | stew | cico: /msg dpkg apt-howto ; /msg dpkg reference ; /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 16:58.44 | stew | theholyduck: debian can be isntalled from a usb thumb drive if you have one and a machine that can boot from usb |
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| 16:58.51 | ma3x | if I set my update time interval to 5 secs, would the pool server ban me? |
| 16:58.58 | abrotman | i hope so |
| 16:59.20 | ma3x | so what is the minimum interval |
| 16:59.29 | ma3x | maximum im ean |
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| 17:00.03 | DawnLight | i've created a user account for some one and he gave me an id_rsa. if i just create a .ssh/authorized_keys file in his home and put there the contents of the file he gave me, will that be correct? |
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| 17:00.20 | atlfalcons866_ | whats the default window manager? |
| 17:00.25 | abrotman | atlfalcons866_: there isn't one |
| 17:00.50 | atlfalcons866_ | its not like ubuntu where gnome is used? |
| 17:00.53 | abrotman | no |
| 17:00.53 | DawnLight | atlfalcons866_: there is a virtual package named x-window-manager which lists them |
| 17:00.56 | xoz | DawnLight: that is private to him. you need id_rsa.pub |
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| 17:01.33 | thrashy | How can I restrict a user to their home directory? |
| 17:01.39 | DawnLight | xoz: sorry, typo. he gave me the id.rsa.pub |
| 17:01.44 | atlfalcons866_ | can i use ubuntu packages? |
| 17:01.54 | xoz | DawnLight: yeah. that will be ok. |
| 17:01.55 | DawnLight | !tell atlfalcons866_ about ubuntu |
| 17:02.01 | abrotman | atlfalcons866_: no |
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| 17:02.22 | stew | atlfalcons866_: you should not use packages compiled for ubuntu in debian |
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| 17:02.34 | muhoo | what's the difference between uhci and ehci? |
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| 17:02.57 | abrotman | oh goodie |
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| 17:03.14 | stew | abrotman: no worries... |
| 17:03.20 | muhoo | i.e. if my device is using ehci, is that slower/better/worse/faster than if it used the uhci driver? |
| 17:03.27 | muhoo | is there any way to force it to use one or the other? |
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| 17:03.45 | abrotman | the hci is the controller IIRK |
| 17:03.47 | abrotman | IIRC |
| 17:03.59 | Braindead | muhoo: no. they're just different drivers for different HW families. nothing you can do about it |
| 17:04.14 | abrotman | muhoo: your system might have both uhci and ehci |
| 17:04.17 | xoz | muhoo: ehci usb 2.0.... enhanced hci |
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| 17:04.31 | muhoo | thanks. my hardware appears to have both |
| 17:04.50 | muhoo | but, i can't tell which one the device is using. |
| 17:04.54 | xoz | uhci i think is to support slower usb |
| 17:04.55 | muhoo | oh wait, i see |
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| 17:05.12 | muhoo | it's using ehci_ecd |
| 17:05.16 | abrotman | !tell a-s about root |
| 17:05.18 | muhoo | it's using ehci_hcd |
| 17:05.28 | xoz | muhoo: then it should be usb 2.0 |
| 17:05.39 | muhoo | new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 |
| 17:05.40 | muhoo | yep, thanks |
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| 17:13.56 | robboplus | how do you find out if a box is under ddos attack? would iptraf show the traffic? |
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| 17:15.15 | noocx | hi |
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| 17:15.43 | DawnLight | abrotman: perhaps program dpkg to !tell about root automagically? |
| 17:15.50 | cico | I am getting this error in "aptitude update":- Get:3 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages [207kB] |
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| 17:15.51 | cico | 99% [3 Packages gzip 0] |
| 17:15.51 | cico | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 17:15.58 | cico | now what should I do? |
| 17:16.28 | stew | DawnLight: the bots used to do that, the functionality was disabled a few years ago. not sure why |
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| 17:17.15 | DawnLight | would prevent some bottish behaviour from abrotman, hehe |
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| 17:18.13 | DawnLight | what group should one be in to use serial ports? |
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| 17:18.16 | noocx | \q |
| 17:18.17 | Fenix|work | Greetings |
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| 17:18.25 | Fenix|work | can someone give me a hand with configuring pureftpd? |
| 17:18.29 | ma3x | how can I run a time server is there a package for it? I mean I want my machine to be a server and not to sync from other servers |
| 17:18.35 | Fenix|work | this whole pure-ftpd-wrapper thing is killing me |
| 17:18.51 | DawnLight | ma3x: ntp. easy |
| 17:18.57 | xingu | ma3x: gpsd + ntp |
| 17:19.12 | DawnLight | xingu: gpsd? |
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| 17:19.46 | xingu | DawnLight: it'll merrily give you phase and timestamps from the gps constellation |
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| 17:19.59 | tnks | I have a "cp" process that isn't dieing with a "kill -KILL $PID" call. I think it has something to do with the NFS mount I'm copying from. |
| 17:19.59 | ma3x | DawnLight, what ntp does it it sync your time with ntp.org |
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| 17:20.13 | tnks | any stronger methods to kill the process? |
| 17:20.16 | DawnLight | neato |
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| 17:20.48 | xingu | DawnLight: there's a specific driver for it, in ntpd |
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| 17:22.21 | otro_viajero7 | anyone knows where can i find when a package is going to be updated? |
| 17:22.22 | VicMcLargeHuge | anyone know if there are any utilities for reading Mac System 6 filesystem? |
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| 17:22.59 | DawnLight | xingu: i wanted to tell you something. it was about me being right about something we argued on but i don't recall... |
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| 17:23.20 | ma3x | can I telnet to ntp server? to find out if its working? whatport? |
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| 17:25.08 | cast | grep ntp /etc/services i suppose |
| 17:25.16 | xingu | ma3x: man ntpq |
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| 17:25.53 | bolt | ma3x: ntpdate -q localhost |
| 17:25.57 | bolt | i guess... |
| 17:26.18 | cast | have to use nc -u, rather than telnet, btw, since its udp |
| 17:26.28 | xingu | or ntpq |
| 17:26.39 | limpio | hi, is there a way during the installation, not to install kde-lite? some kind of parameter to do a minimal install? |
| 17:26.55 | xingu | being designed for the job of sending mode6 queries to an ntp daemon and all |
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| 17:27.19 | Alarm | limpio, let the installation install you base system , and before the package installation quit the installation |
| 17:27.26 | DawnLight | where do i get information about the default groups? |
| 17:27.32 | Alarm | u will have just the base system then. or from a netinst choose the packages you want |
| 17:27.57 | cico | I am getting this error when I do apt-get update: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
| 17:27.57 | limpio | Alarm, thx pal |
| 17:28.11 | cico | but I am able to download the Packages.gz file using wget. |
| 17:28.30 | bolt | lampio: just select manual package selection and don't select any packages... |
| 17:28.57 | xingu | cico: do you have sufficient disk space on /var ? |
| 17:29.17 | ma3x | i tried to update with my localhost from my win box |
| 17:29.20 | ma3x | it can't update |
| 17:29.21 | ma3x | why not |
| 17:29.25 | cico | xingu: /dev/sda9 4.6G 3.2G 1.2G 73% / |
| 17:29.26 | limpio | thx guys |
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| 17:30.21 | cico | xingu: do you see anything wrong? |
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| 17:30.51 | mmc | what is the name in a repository, where I should store architecture-independent packages? binary-all ? |
| 17:31.12 | xingu | ma3x: ntpq -c readvar | grep status ? |
| 17:31.26 | ma3x | assID=0 status=0684 leap_none, sync_ntp, 8 events, event_peer/strat_chg, |
| 17:32.18 | stew | mmc: no, they would be in the pool, and they would be referred to by all of the Packages files in the binary-$arch directories, there wouldn't be a separate Packages file for the all packages |
| 17:32.22 | ma3x | xingu, ^ |
| 17:32.24 | xingu | cico: seems as if there's enough space free, so that's not it |
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| 17:32.36 | xingu | ma3x: which version of windows are you using? |
| 17:32.52 | ma3x | xingu, xp pro in vmware |
| 17:33.21 | cico | xingu: is there any other repo for security? |
| 17:33.34 | xingu | ma3x: http://csg.trinhall.cam.ac.uk/tips/ntp/winxp ? |
| 17:33.44 | xingu | ma3x: is that the setup you've used? |
| 17:33.45 | mmc | stew: so, I just make them appear in all binary-i386, binary-amd64 dirs (w/ the use of symlinks). Thanks. |
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| 17:34.08 | ma3x | xingu, what server do i type in there? localhost? |
| 17:34.10 | ma3x | it doesnt work |
| 17:34.38 | stew | mmc: you can put the packages anywhere you want, and you don't need them to appear in multiple places, you just ahve to have the Pacakges.gz files refer to them somehow |
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| 17:34.44 | xingu | ma3x: try the ip address of your linux system; and you'll need to be able to ping this, from the xp pro vm |
| 17:34.59 | cico | deb http://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 17:34.59 | cico | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:35.13 | cico | these are the only two lines in my sources.list ^^^ |
| 17:35.17 | xingu | ma3x: "localhost" within the xp vm, is the xp vm itself |
| 17:35.17 | cico | is this fine? |
| 17:37.00 | stew | cico: that is fine |
| 17:38.25 | cico | then what can be the problem, why is it not able to fetch : Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) :-( |
| 17:38.40 | cico | it is unable to fetch that both with aptitude and apt-get, however I can fetch it using wget. |
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| 17:38.45 | Fenix|work | is there a mapping for pure-ftpd-wrapper to command-line switches somewhere? |
| 17:39.18 | xingu | cico: what happens if you try to ping security.debian.org ? |
| 17:39.26 | stew | Fenix|work: pure-ftpd-wrapper is basically nothing but a mapping, take a look at it in a pager |
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| 17:40.25 | cico | xingu: I am able to ping and I am able to download the same file using wget. |
| 17:40.29 | Fenix|work | stew, I realize that and some options make sense... but on auth and stuff I'm getting confused |
| 17:40.53 | Fenix|work | I want to not use PAM, but don't know how to not use PAM :) |
| 17:41.16 | Fenix|work | I've got the pure-ftpd-wrapper man page in front of me, but don't quite know what to make of the AUTH section |
| 17:41.56 | xingu | robboplus: the best way to pick up a ddos is via a fourier transform of each of the protocol layers of the flow data headed inward. |
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| 17:42.20 | Fenix|work | stew, also, when it comes to the file names, how exactly does that work? |
| 17:42.23 | mmc | stew: thanks. |
| 17:42.38 | setuid | I'm trying to install a _very_ basic X machine, no GNOME, no KDE, nothign fancy... just enough to run a browser and vnc and such. What meta-package accomplishes this? |
| 17:42.40 | stew | Fenix|work: iirc there is a /etc/pure-ftpd/auth/pam file or something similar |
| 17:42.43 | stew | Fenix|work: what about file names? |
| 17:43.12 | Fenix|work | well in pure-ftpd/conf there's MinUID |
| 17:43.15 | Fenix|work | exactly like that |
| 17:43.28 | stew | Fenix|work: ok, and what is your questions about that filename? |
| 17:43.43 | robboplus | xingu it sounds very professional and i don't think that i'm able to do that... |
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| 17:44.17 | setuid | Anyone? |
| 17:44.22 | Fenix|work | stew, are they case sensitive? |
| 17:44.33 | stew | Fenix|work: yes |
| 17:44.36 | Fenix|work | ok |
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| 17:45.21 | DawnLight | setuid: you need at least xdm xorg and something from the x-window-manager virtual package |
| 17:45.33 | setuid | I'll just install xorg, and see what it drags in |
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| 17:45.56 | xingu | robboplus: yes :) but it works; your problem statement is probably - "there's a big mess of traffic and I can't tell if it's related"; so what you need is a way to cut across the data to /show/ any relations |
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| 17:46.12 | ameyer | I'd recommend fluxbox, xorg, and whatever other apps you need |
| 17:46.15 | DawnLight | setuid: and you can configure aptitude not to select recommendations via the menu |
| 17:46.27 | ameyer | xdm isn't strictly required |
| 17:46.37 | Fenix|work | stew, so pure-ftpd/auth is just symlinks to pure-ftpd/conf and it goes in order |
| 17:46.48 | stew | Fenix|work: i don't konw |
| 17:47.06 | Fenix|work | so if I don't want PAM authentication and want to use PureDB then I remove PAM from auth and replace it with puredbv |
| 17:47.08 | Fenix|work | err db |
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| 17:48.17 | stew | Fenix|work: i thought the pam file was a yes/no file that you could change from yes to no |
| 17:48.32 | stew | Fenix|work: but i don't know. i don't use it anymore. the pure-ftpd-wrapper script was pretty easy to read however |
| 17:49.15 | Fenix|work | stew, it is, but there's also a symlink in auth (named 70pam) that points to conf/PAMAuthentication and wrapper apparently processes auth in alphebetical order |
| 17:49.27 | Fenix|work | s/alphebetical/alphabetical |
| 17:52.03 | OminousZ | \o/ |
| 17:52.13 | OminousZ | roller coaster! |
| 17:52.13 | gryfel | reeee |
| 17:52.13 | gryfel | :) |
| 17:52.13 | OminousZ | ride the internet! |
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| 17:52.15 | robboplus | oh that was gross. |
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| 17:52.36 | OminousZ | \o/ wheeeee |
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| 17:52.36 | gryfel | I'm installing debian in expertmode..... it asks me, what tool should I use to create Boot-Initrd, and If I'm unsure, I should select the standard. |
| 17:52.36 | xingu | cico: try adding "-o Debug::Acquire::http=true" to your apt-get command string |
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| 17:52.36 | DawnLight | i've a box with an RS-232 irrigation valves controller device attached. i am prepairing this box so that a developer can ssh into it and write a CL interface for this device. i've put his RSA key in place and put his user in the dialout group. need i put him in some other groups, perhaps src? what packages should i install in this box for his use in C development? i don't develop myself so i don't know. i don't think he'll be doi |
| 17:52.36 | DawnLight | this box but perhaps he'll need to compile in it? any tips? |
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| 17:52.37 | gryfel | if I remember correct, there where once problems with initramfs-tools with compiling a new kernel, or does my memory leads me false? |
| 17:53.08 | stew | gryfel: there have been problems with initramfs-tools in the past, sure. can you be more specific? |
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| 17:53.49 | gryfel | No, I'm just thinkabout if I should use yarid or initramfs-tools for a fresh install |
| 17:54.03 | gryfel | to avoid problems, if I will compile a kernel |
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| 17:54.13 | stew | gryfel: initramfs-tools is recommended over yaird. yaird hasn't been maintained upstream for a few years |
| 17:54.19 | stew | gryfel: do you need an initrd? |
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| 17:54.24 | mgorbach | on a standard debian server, how do I get a list of packages currently installed w/apt-get? |
| 17:55.29 | gryfel | stew: I don't know, I've compiled just 2 times a kernel. One time after configuring a debian.knerel,that worked |
| 17:55.35 | xingu | mgorbach: apt-cache --installed rdepends libc6 is a reasonable proxy for obvious reasons |
| 17:55.39 | gryfel | and a newser kernel failed to boot ;) |
| 17:55.59 | Fenix|work | stew, For MaxDiskUsage... I used -k 75% ... would the MaxDiskUsage file contain 75 or 75%? |
| 17:56.00 | stew | gryfel: why are you compiling a kernel at all? |
| 17:56.06 | stew | Fenix|work: i don't know |
| 17:56.22 | xingu | mgorbach: a more precise answer is dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:56.24 | gryfel | mgorbach: dpkg -l |
| 17:56.49 | aeshyamae | hi people i just did a wonderful thing..ma debian works no longer than 15 min,,,,i donno why...its freezing the whole system letting me to press only the power button of the laptop...i usually kill iceweasal and epiphany as i find them blocking the sound cards...what could make debian crash like that?how can i know what made a debian session freeze like that? i should also say that i have tried adding the sid repo but it showed error for not finding the ke |
| 17:57.13 | gryfel | stew: I want a newer kernel, 'cause my laptop has a via-unichrome gfx-chip onboard |
| 17:57.24 | mgorbach | is there ah, thanks gryfel. dpkg -l seems to do it |
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| 17:57.45 | stew | gryfel: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:58.18 | gryfel | on the new laptop? Don't know, I am installing at the moment ;) |
| 17:58.47 | stew | gryfel: there are backported kernels from etch on backports.org: /msg dpkg backports ; there are unofficial installers with newer kernels also: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 17:59.05 | stew | gryfel: which kernel do you need in order to have better support for via-unichrome? |
| 17:59.34 | mgorbach | another question: what's the standard way to set which python version is used by the system by default? |
| 17:59.56 | stew | mgorbach: you don't |
| 18:00.10 | xingu | cico: still with us? |
| 18:00.11 | gryfel | Stew: I'm not sure, I thought, get the newest. First .23.1, but I see, that vmware doesn't support it yet |
| 18:00.12 | mgorbach | What if I've got 2.4 and 2.5 installed? |
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| 18:00.18 | karsten | stew: You don't? |
| 18:00.24 | karsten | stew: /etc/alternatives? |
| 18:00.25 | stew | mgorbach: if you want python 2.5, then run "python2.5" instead of "python" |
| 18:00.28 | stew | karsten: nope |
| 18:00.33 | aeshyamae | also the button graphics and the figures for "warning",yes no has been changed without myself changing anything abt theme |
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| 18:01.06 | mzanfardino | I'm trying to archive a dvd I've purchased and I"m running into a problem. I'm trying both dvdbackup and vobcopy, but both appear to have trouble once they attempt to read VTS_0x_y (where x and y are title set and chapters, I beleive). I think I have all the required libraries, etc, but still no go. Anyone have any experience with this? |
| 18:01.10 | gryfel | stew: I want to comile it also, to drop unecessary features, change the sheduler, just for fun etc :) |
| 18:01.11 | aeshyamae | can that be a virus or so in debian? |
| 18:02.01 | karsten | aeshyamae: Pretty unlikely. Have you run any system updates recently? Iconsets are known to change. |
| 18:02.13 | stew | i would say hugely unlikely |
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| 18:02.41 | karsten | aeshyamae: The freeze is very most likely a hardware, driver, or kernel arguments issue. |
| 18:02.51 | aeshyamae | karsten: ya i may have done some updates |
| 18:02.53 | schmick | can anyone point a noob in the right direction? I want to load Xfce onto my laptop ... I loaded etch and it is booting only to commandline |
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| 18:03.15 | stew | schmick: aptitude isntall xorg xfce4 |
| 18:03.38 | karsten | aeshyamae: cat /proc/cmdline, run dmidecode and pastebin that, check /var/log/messages and /var/log/kern.log for any errors or oopses, run memtest86+ overnight, visually scan your mobo for any leaking caps, reseat your memory, cards, and drive cables. |
| 18:03.41 | schmick | can you give me the commandline for that? |
| 18:03.51 | stew | schmick: "aptitude isntall xorg xfce4" |
| 18:04.00 | schmick | thx much |
| 18:04.20 | karsten | schmick: s/isntall/install/ may produce better results. |
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| 18:04.21 | aeshyamae | karsten: i have played on that debian for enabling ma uvc webcam and also i have tried recompiling alsa to enable a seperate channel for headphone and speaker;) |
| 18:04.27 | stew | doh |
| 18:04.54 | stew | i don't want them then |
| 18:05.03 | cico | xingu: yes, problem solved |
| 18:05.19 | karsten | aeshyamae: ... which has little or nothing directly related to your freeze problem, though unloading drivers may also help. |
| 18:05.39 | aeshyamae | karsten: k ill do as u said |
| 18:05.50 | karsten | aeshyamae: Your goal is to find out what's causing the system to lock. It's pretty frequently hardware issues. |
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| 18:06.40 | aeshyamae | karsten: but gobuntu and gnewsense is pretty nicely working on this laptop |
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| 18:08.14 | karsten | aeshyamae: gobuntu and gnewsense being ... ? |
| 18:08.17 | SlackRat | !topicsmite |
| 18:08.18 | aeshyamae | karsten: i have played with that debian's kernel so i think i have made something messy...neway ill do the diagonises..its better if i get ma workplace on debian intact coz i am already set with that debian..:) |
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| 18:08.40 | karsten | aeshyamae: So you're not running a stock kernel? |
| 18:08.42 | schmick | I did the "aptitude isntall xorg xfce4" and it's working-away ... I guess I'm heading toward the proper results. Is there a problem that I didn't dot the s/isntall/install/ ? |
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| 18:09.56 | cico | I did: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1 bs=10240 - but after I take out the usb disk and re-insert, it mounts automatically again. why? |
| 18:09.57 | aeshyamae | karsten: i have done some uvc module compilation and some m-a ..thing for alsa without actually knowing;)so i think that made the thing messy as i could not find any problem with gnewsense or goubuntu working on this laptop |
| 18:10.37 | karsten | aeshyamae: I'm at work and can't walk you through this step-by-step. |
| 18:11.16 | karsten | aeshyamae: However, to troubleshoot buggy system issues, start with a stock, known-good configuration (kernel, libs, drivers, boot options, etc.), and find out what breaks (or deosn't break) the system from there. |
| 18:11.21 | jelly-home | cico: did you just unplug it, or did you sync and maybe 'eject sdb' before? |
| 18:11.24 | karsten | aeshyamae: You're on your own now, have a nice day. |
| 18:11.52 | aeshyamae | karsten: thanks anyway:) |
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| 18:12.34 | stew | jelly-home: sync is a filesystem operation, not a block device operation though, right? |
| 18:14.29 | karsten | stew: man sync ;-) |
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| 18:14.41 | cubiq | anyone know how I can add encodings to iconv? one one system i get a really big list if I run iconv --list but on another system the list is very small. |
| 18:16.10 | stew | karsten: yeah, i didn, i think that is a 'yes' but i'm not sure |
| 18:16.52 | stew | cubiq: does "iconv --version" match on the two systems? |
| 18:17.26 | cubiq | yes same binary so I wonder where from iconv reads its info... |
| 18:17.56 | cubiq | stew: The /usr/share/i18n contents are also the same... |
| 18:17.57 | jelly-home | stew: I thinks its a VFS operation on linux. :-D |
| 18:19.06 | karsten | stew: sync - flush file system buffers. Force changed blocks to disk, update the super block. |
| 18:19.24 | karsten | stew: ... so, fileystem operation, acting on blocks w/in filesystem and updating FS metadata. |
| 18:19.26 | jelly-home | man page can't seem to make its mind: NAME sync - flush file system buffers DESCRIPTION Force changed blocks to disk, update the super block. |
| 18:20.03 | karsten | jelly-home: I read that as a filesystem op. I suspect it's operating over each mounted FS, not each available block device. |
| 18:20.06 | jelly-home | there's no disk on an usb stick! :-) |
| 18:20.24 | karsten | jelly-home: ... and it wouldn't make sense to flush block devices which aren't mounted. |
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| 18:20.41 | karsten | jelly-home: Submit a bug report. "Force changed blocks to storage media" |
| 18:21.01 | karsten | jelly-home: There aren't any disks on /dev/shm either. |
| 18:21.01 | jelly-home | it would make sense to flush all the dirty blocks though |
| 18:21.26 | jelly-home | karsten: I don't think sync does much on tmpfs TBH |
| 18:21.28 | karsten | jelly-home: ... though issues in booting w/ dirty tmpfs filesystems are generally minor. |
| 18:21.34 | karsten | :) |
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| 18:21.57 | jelly-home | virtually nonexistant |
| 18:21.59 | mic_p | Hi all. I'm tring to re-compile a deb packege that I download with a apt-get source iptables, apt-get build-dep iptables and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b, like the doc says, but I found an error (a source error) on compile. What can I do? |
| 18:22.02 | karsten | jelly-home: Well, I was going to suggest cramfs or similar first, but that's r/o IIRC. |
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| 18:22.52 | stew | mic_p: can you show us the error? in general you would report a severity serious bug against the package if one didn't already exist. /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 18:23.49 | karsten | mic_p: You should also do some checking to see that the error isn't something you've introduced by mucking with the code or having incompatible (or missing) libs about, or similar. |
| 18:23.51 | mic_p | stew: where paste it? |
| 18:24.12 | stew | mic_p: http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:24.41 | karsten | !tell mic_p about pastebin |
| 18:24.42 | stew | incompatible or missing libs would be a bug in the package's build-dependencies |
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| 18:25.25 | mic_p | stew: http://paste.debian.net/41635 |
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| 18:25.55 | cico | jelly-home: how can I sync? |
| 18:25.58 | karsten | stew: Point. But possibly some LD_* or lib path stuff? |
| 18:26.01 | simonrvn | @wb |
| 18:26.01 | ravenbird | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 18:26.16 | jelly-home | cico: with the sync command. |
| 18:26.22 | karsten | cico: man sync |
| 18:26.32 | stew | mic_p: what does "gcc --version" report? |
| 18:26.48 | mic_p | stew: 4.1.2 |
| 18:26.52 | cico | I synced now. but it still automounts. |
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| 18:27.24 | jelly-home | cico: does fdisk or cfdisk show that a partition table exists? |
| 18:27.26 | XoX | is the /etc/init.d/rc file executed when the system is shutting down? |
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| 18:27.49 | cico | jelly-home: yes, it shows W95 FAT |
| 18:27.56 | cico | W95 FAT32 |
| 18:28.10 | karsten | XoX: yes |
| 18:28.31 | XoX | on every run level change ? |
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| 18:28.47 | jelly-home | cico: even after you dd it out? |
| 18:28.49 | cico | jelly-home: I did dd; sync; umount at one shot and it worked |
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| 18:29.17 | stew | mic_p: i'd recommend trying a newer version of iptables. you are trying to compile the version of iptables from stable, but you are using a gcc that is newer than the gcc in stable |
| 18:29.18 | cico | but I wonder earlier why it didn't, when I did "dd", re-insert usb, "sync", "umount", re-insert usb. |
| 18:30.22 | karsten | cico: 'dd' by itself won't do anything. 'dd if=/dev/zero of=<name of usb device>' should have an impact. |
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| 18:30.38 | karsten | cico: Run as root and be careful you don't zero out a significant filesystem. |
| 18:30.40 | cico | karsten, yes I used the complete command, I am just showing the sequence of commands. |
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| 18:30.47 | cico | karsten: I ran it as root |
| 18:30.48 | gandhijee | hey, has anyone here built the linux firmware test kit? |
| 18:31.03 | karsten | cico: OK, just being pedantic. |
| 18:31.10 | karsten | !tell gandhijee about anyone |
| 18:31.14 | Baragas | hi, could anyone explain the term hardlink with just a few sentense? :D |
| 18:31.22 | cico | !tell me about anyone |
| 18:31.28 | Baragas | I have tried to google it |
| 18:31.28 | jelly-home | cico: indeed, sync needs to be done before unplugging. Obviously blocks can't be flushed to a disconnected device |
| 18:31.31 | karsten | cico: /msg the bots please. |
| 18:32.18 | Braindead | Baragas: have you also tried reading the output? |
| 18:32.18 | gandhijee | well i dunno how else to ask it, its not exactly a piece of software everyone uses |
| 18:32.19 | karsten | Baragas: hardlinks can exist between files or directories (IIRC) on the same filesystem. They are two or more directory entries (in the same or different directories) pointing to the same inode. |
| 18:32.24 | cico | jelly-home: I did "dd", re-inserted usb, so the device is connected again and now did, "sync" |
| 18:32.46 | mic_p | stew: I have gcc 4.1.1 from etch and (http://packages.debian.org/etch/gcc) and iptables from etch (http://packages.debian.org/etch/iptables), so I'm right, I think! |
| 18:32.52 | jelly-home | cico: that wouldn't do much. |
| 18:32.55 | karsten | cico: Contrast with symlinks, in which case a file exists of type "link" which can refer to a real or nonexistent location on the same or a different filesystem. |
| 18:33.13 | karsten | Baragas: ^^ (cico, NM). |
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| 18:33.38 | stew | Baragas: when you think of a file, you are usually thinking of a directory entry, for example, in the directory "/etc" there is an entry that says, "the file named 'passwd' is the file starting at some inode on the disk". when you create a symlink you are saying "this symlink named "foo" refers to whatever the directory entry /etc/passwd refers to". when you make a hardlink you are making another directory entry which refers to the same inode. so now you |
| 18:33.48 | yang | How do I play a DVD-ROM using mplayer ? |
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| 18:34.13 | jelly-home | cico: if you wrote to a device and disconnected it, kernel would have complained and ignored the failed writes. you should have gotten same nasty errors in dmesg when you did that |
| 18:34.14 | karsten | Baragas: With hardlinks, the file itself isn't dereferenced until all hard links to it are removed. The link count is the number in the 2nd column of 'ls -l' output. |
| 18:34.25 | karsten | Baragas: 'cd /tmp; touch foo; ln foo bar; touch baz' |
| 18:34.32 | orak3l | how do I use "LightScribe" Technology with Debian etch??? |
| 18:34.33 | karsten | Baragas: ls -l foo bar baz |
| 18:34.41 | karsten | Baragas: ... you'll see -rw-r--r-- 2 kself kself 0 2007-11-06 10:33 bar |
| 18:34.49 | cico | jelly-home: now I am facing a new problem. after I did, dd, sync, umount in one shot, it worked fine. then I open cfdisk and it doesn't show any partition, I create a new partition, and as soon as I write it, it automounts again with the old contents. |
| 18:34.56 | karsten | Baragas: ... for bar and foo, note the 2. baz will have a '1' present. |
| 18:35.19 | karsten | stew: Nice summary. |
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| 18:35.51 | \amethyst | cico: unmount it then remake the filesystem |
| 18:35.53 | jelly-home | cico: you created a partition of the same size in the same place. The contents are still there. |
| 18:36.02 | abrotman | stew: you got cut off |
| 18:36.06 | Baragas | wow, my brain was just attacked by an information tornado |
| 18:36.15 | abrotman | F5? :) |
| 18:36.16 | cico | \amethyst: but how can I remake the filesystem without partitioning? |
| 18:36.23 | cico | jelly-home: yes. |
| 18:36.27 | jelly-home | cico: right, what \amethyst said. umount, mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 (or whatever) on it. |
| 18:36.31 | \amethyst | cico: You need the partition |
| 18:36.41 | cico | jelly-home: as soon as I write the partition, the disk auto-mounts with the old contents |
| 18:36.43 | \amethyst | cico: if writing the partition automounts, you'll have to manually unmount it |
| 18:36.46 | karsten | Baragas: 'ln -s bar qux; ls -l foo bar baz qux' |
| 18:36.57 | stew | Baragas: or to extend karstens example, you can "echo foo > /tmp/foo ; ln /tmp/foo /tmp/bar" , then cat foo ; cat bar ; will show the files as being the same. if you them "rm /tmp/foo" "cat /tmp/bar" will stil show /tmp/bar as pointing to an existing file |
| 18:36.58 | cico | but why should it automount, this is so confusing. |
| 18:37.03 | karsten | Baragas: ... shows you two hard links, one regular file (baz), and a symlink (qux => baz). |
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| 18:37.20 | \amethyst | cico: I'm guessing that writing the partition triggers the partition detection coe |
| 18:37.33 | \amethyst | cico: and that you have gnome set up to automount |
| 18:38.12 | \amethyst | cico: you can turn off automount in gnome-volume-properties (assuming you're using gnome, of course) |
| 18:38.20 | Baragas | what's the difference between a hardlink and a symlink? |
| 18:38.45 | \amethyst | Baragas: a hardlink is when two directory entries point to the same inode (file information block) |
| 18:38.56 | \amethyst | Baragas: a symlink is where one directory entry points to another directory entry |
| 18:38.59 | cico | \amethyst: yes, I am using gnome, so gnome-volume-manager must be automounting. but why does it show the old contents when nothing is present in it? not even a file system? |
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| 18:39.16 | Baragas | ahaa, ok |
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| 18:39.48 | Baragas | what happens to the hardlinks if the inode is deleted? |
| 18:40.00 | Baragas | or can the inode be deleted if there's hardlinks? |
| 18:40.09 | yang | How do I play a DVD-ROM movie using mplayer ? Which file do I need to play? |
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| 18:40.35 | karmatronic | yang: mplayer dvd://1 |
| 18:40.48 | Braindead | yang: it's all explained at the very beginning of the manual. and you'd better try ogle if you want menus |
| 18:40.54 | xingu | orak3l: google for lightscribe linux will turn up a few links; it appears that lacie/hp have things about the mechanism they're choosing to keep proprietry, so I doubt you'll see truly free code for it. |
| 18:40.55 | stew | Baragas: you don't really have a way to delete the inodes. they are deleted when they have no more hardlinks |
| 18:40.56 | karsten | Baragas: Not sure, not entirely sure you can operate on an inode like that. |
| 18:41.07 | Baragas | aha,, ok |
| 18:41.17 | karsten | Baragas: However, in the example I gave, you, try: rm bar baz; ls -l foo qux |
| 18:41.24 | yang | karmatronic: mplayer /dev/hdb ? |
| 18:41.25 | xingu | orak3l: http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx is the freely available, but binary-only stuff. |
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| 18:41.27 | Jyzygzel- | how do i make my debian notice the printer? |
| 18:41.32 | karmatronic | yang: no |
| 18:41.41 | orak3l | yang: mplayer dvd:// |
| 18:41.49 | karsten | Baragas: ... which will then show that 'foo' has a refcount of 1 (eg: there's only one link to the inode, like a regular file), and 'qux' is now a dangling symlink. |
| 18:41.54 | yang | karmatronic: I have a /media/dvd/VIDEO-TS directory and bunch of files there |
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| 18:42.23 | karmatronic | yang: you tried this mplayer dvd://1 ? |
| 18:42.29 | kisielk | anyone here familiar with mrtg? |
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| 18:42.35 | Baragas | ok, thanks lads for the information |
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| 18:42.42 | Jyzygzel- | how do i make my debian notice the printer? |
| 18:42.57 | orak3l | xingu, THX |
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| 18:43.10 | stew | Baragas: a symlink doesn't refer to an inode, it refers to a directory entry, so "ln foo bar" says, "find the inode that foo refers to and make bar refer to it", "ln -s foo bar" says "make a symlink that says, 'i refer to whatever inode foo refers to *at the time one actually dereferences the link*" |
| 18:43.11 | karmatronic | yang: : you can also use the lsdvd command to get info from the dvd |
| 18:43.13 | yang | karmatronic: I don't have /edev/dvd |
| 18:43.26 | karsten | Baragas: The only command I can think of that lets you operate on an inode is find. If you happen to know a specific inode, and the filename isn't readily printable / typeable (eg: you've had some random binary crap entered into a filename), you can list the inode with 'ls -i', then fidn and remove it with : find . -inum <inode> -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 18:43.29 | stew | Baragas: and so a symlink can be dangling if the directory entry it is referring to no longer exists |
| 18:43.40 | karsten | Baragas: ... but 'rm' is getting the _name_ of the file, not the inode. |
| 18:44.10 | yang | karmatronic: do i have to perform that with the DVD mounted or not? |
| 18:44.14 | stew | Baragas: one thing of not is that a symlink can span multiple filesyststems (like one partition to another), but a hardlink cannot |
| 18:44.25 | karmatronic | yang: yes |
| 18:44.26 | stew | Baragas: and most filesystems won't let you hardlink a directory itself |
| 18:44.43 | karmatronic | yang: the /dev/dvd is just a symlink it s not self mandatory |
| 18:44.50 | yang | Playing dvd://1. |
| 18:44.50 | yang | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd |
| 18:44.51 | yang | No stream found to handle url dvd://1 |
| 18:45.05 | yang | karmatronic: my dvd device is /dev/hdb |
| 18:45.25 | karsten | Baragas: Some of the symlinks you'll find on your system: /dev/cdrom frequently points to the real CDROM device, /etc/alternatives/ is full of symlinks, /proc/self (my favorite), /dev/stdin, /dev/stdout, /dev/stderr, which point to filedescriptors 0, 1, and 2 of the currentprocess, via /proc/self/fd/[0,1,2] |
| 18:46.15 | abrotman | karsten: you would like 'self'! |
| 18:46.29 | karmatronic | yang: : you can use the -cdrom-device in mplyaer to specify that |
| 18:46.50 | karsten | abrotman: Not only would I, I do. |
| 18:46.54 | xingu | karsten: sidebar - debugfs, freei <inum> |
| 18:46.55 | karmatronic | yang: or -dvd-device |
| 18:47.11 | karmatronic | yang: mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdb dvd://1 |
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| 18:48.03 | yang | karmatronic: thanks a lot, the last one worked |
| 18:48.14 | karmatronic | yang: but i insist.you can either create a symlink to the dvd with ln -s /dev/dvd /dev/hdb as root , or specifiy on the command line or config file of mplayer that your dvd device is /dev/hdb |
| 18:48.33 | karmatronic | yang: so you have to press less keys the next time ... |
| 18:48.36 | karsten | xingu: Hrm. |
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| 18:49.41 | Braindead | is this logorrhea hour? |
| 18:49.59 | Atalanta | no |
| 18:50.07 | yang | karmatronic: do you know if there is a thing to copy the DVD to another blank DVD with a single command....not to do it with "cp" to a disk and then from disk back to DVD? |
| 18:50.11 | karsten | Braindead: No, that's on effnet. |
| 18:51.00 | karsten | yang: You're generally better off copying to disk to get better buffering, though with burnfree, large memory capacities, etc., that may not be strictly necessary. |
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| 18:51.10 | karmatronic | yang: i dont think you can do that but i usually use dvdshrink and so on for that purpose |
| 18:51.33 | yang | ok |
| 18:51.51 | karmatronic | yang: well actually i dont do that very often....i direcly grab the chapter that i want with mencoder ... |
| 18:52.27 | karsten | xingu: What are the implications of running debugfs on a mounted filesystem? |
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| 18:52.35 | cico | aren't there alternate security.debian.org mirrors? |
| 18:53.00 | cico | Braindead: what is logorrhea hour? |
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| 18:53.08 | Supaplex | didn't you just ask that on the other network? |
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| 18:53.21 | xingu | karsten: you really don't want to do that. :) |
| 18:53.46 | xingu | karsten: linux's various fs caches aren't coherent (vis-a-vis the on-disk structures) |
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| 18:54.00 | cico | can apt-get update; apt-get upgrade in etch upgrade the kernel with a new version number? |
| 18:54.02 | xingu | karsten: same rationale as to why dump'ing a mounted fs is a dumb idea. |
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| 18:54.27 | yang | karmatronic: dvdshrink is not in debian |
| 18:54.31 | chops | cico: For the kernel ugprades that have happened so far in etch, I believe so |
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| 18:54.37 | DawnLight | why do they put animal pictures on software documentation books? |
| 18:54.49 | abrotman | DawnLight: oreilly? |
| 18:54.54 | \amethyst | DawnLight: that's O'Reilly's signature |
| 18:54.55 | DawnLight | everything |
| 18:55.01 | abrotman | not every book company does that |
| 18:55.26 | xingu | DawnLight: probably because the copyright on the woodcut has expired :) |
| 18:55.33 | \amethyst | yeah, CLR/CLRS has a mobile on the front |
| 18:55.42 | chops | cico: Sometimes a kernel upgrade will change the ABI, in which case a new package (not just a new version of a new package) will be released. It's best to install the linux-image-2.6-686 (or whatever) metapackage and let it pull in the package with the appropriate version and ABI number. |
| 18:55.54 | karmatronic | yang: right , but it s still a good tool :) |
| 18:56.16 | DawnLight | i like this trend |
| 18:56.21 | abrotman | chops: there's also linux-image-686 |
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| 18:59.28 | DawnLight | are there instructions somewhere on how to build the bsd kernel?\ |
| 18:59.33 | cico | what is upstream, downstream in package management? |
| 18:59.41 | xingu | these rotatable windows really take some getting used to |
| 18:59.47 | karsten | xingu: I've been playing with a small (10MB) loopback filesystem image. |
| 18:59.47 | chops | cico: upstream is the people you got your source package from |
| 18:59.59 | karsten | xingu: 'freei' doesn't appear to actually delete the file. |
| 19:00.04 | karsten | xingu: ... or the inode. |
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| 19:00.16 | stew | cico: it would be helpful if you kept your questions to one network or another |
| 19:00.19 | amphi | xingu: rotatable windows? |
| 19:00.21 | xingu | karsten: clri ? |
| 19:00.22 | stew | cico: but in this case the upstream is kernel.org |
| 19:00.29 | chops | cico: Generally "upstream" in Debian means the person who made the .tar.gz that the .deb was generated from. |
| 19:00.32 | stew | cico: since that is where debian gets its kernels from |
| 19:00.47 | dalias | amphi, probably using that compiz crap.. |
| 19:00.49 | xingu | amphi: compiz fusion, uncategorised plugins, freewins |
| 19:00.50 | karsten | xingu: Dunno, your turn ;-) |
| 19:00.56 | amphi | xingu: ah |
| 19:01.20 | amphi | dalias: compiz crap? |
| 19:01.20 | karsten | bbl, meeting. |
| 19:01.21 | xingu | amphi: all the hard work's done already, the plugin just lets you spin any window on any axis |
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| 19:01.36 | karmatronic | yang: dvdschrink/xdvdshrink can do what you asked earlier.copying the dvd from drive 1 to drive 2 , but they still do some kind of intermediate copy on your hard disk anyway... |
| 19:01.37 | dalias | amphi, yeah all the kiddies love it without realizing the fundamental flaws |
| 19:01.47 | dalias | like that it precludes subpixel rendering of text from working right |
| 19:01.57 | dalias | (thus reducing text legibility) |
| 19:02.35 | xingu | subpixel rendering is something I routinely turn off anyway, if I want blurry vision I drink good beer |
| 19:03.19 | yang | karmatronic: dvdshrink is a tool for WIN, I found a good debian tool "dvdbackup" |
| 19:03.23 | amphi | dalias: I don't believe my text VTs have subpixel rendering, but they are nonetheless quite legible |
| 19:03.27 | xingu | but turning xchat into a starwars scroller, now that has some practical value |
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| 19:04.39 | amphi | dalias: do you know of any screenshots of this, for comparison? |
| 19:05.29 | Jyzygzel- | jesus fucking christ its horrible to try install a printer to linux |
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| 19:06.54 | abrotman | !info printconf etch |
| 19:06.58 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 19:07.58 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: I believe my exact response at the time was "the patience of Job, and a strong beer" |
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| 19:08.27 | Jyzygzel- | i just need to print one paper and then i can toss the printer |
| 19:08.44 | Jyzygzel- | and wtf i have to sit here and install the damn thing hours and hours |
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| 19:08.55 | Jyzygzel- | and install hundreds of megabytes of information |
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| 19:09.15 | xingu | abrotman: the hp-setup from hplip is pretty decent too. |
| 19:09.16 | mgorbach_ | any web (apache2) admins here? I'm learning and can't understand the following. Is it OK to set the ownership of the root web directory (/var/www lets say) to the user apache runs under (in my case, www-data)? |
| 19:09.26 | Jyzygzel- | i just wanted it to work |
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| 19:10.19 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: http://www.austinillini.com/images/printerdemolition.jpg |
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| 19:10.42 | Jyzygzel- | i mean i dont even fukken know what to install |
| 19:10.46 | Jyzygzel- | i installed this cups thing |
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| 19:11.25 | dalias | amphi, you _can_ use subpixel with compiz, but it will look bogus when you do any of the 'l33t' transformations on your windows |
| 19:11.27 | J-roen | Hi. My server should have 2 disk drives configured with software RAID. How can I check if this is actually the case? |
| 19:11.28 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: printconf sounds like a reasonable bet |
| 19:11.34 | Jyzygzel- | it doesnt work |
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| 19:11.42 | dalias | because subpixel is dependent on logical and physical pixels matching |
| 19:11.59 | dalias | in order to avoid the bogus effects, you'd have to turn subpixel off |
| 19:12.05 | dalias | and then font rendering quality suffers |
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| 19:14.19 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: is it usb or paraelle ? |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | bah .. can't spell |
| 19:14.34 | Jyzygzel- | paraller and old as hell |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | did you try the printconf stuff ? |
| 19:15.01 | Jyzygzel- | well its seems to get stuck at Autoconfigurin printers... |
| 19:15.04 | simonrvn | seems he can't either *grin* |
| 19:15.21 | amphi | dalias: uhuh |
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| 19:16.00 | Jyzygzel- | or is it supposed to take like 10 minutes+ |
| 19:16.16 | schmick | stew: I'm back... thx for the info. I ran "aptitude isntall xorg xfce4". It appears to be done and I'm back to the commandline. |
| 19:16.20 | schmick | what do I do next |
| 19:16.52 | Jyzygzel- | i tryed "Canon LBP-4 Linux" |
| 19:16.55 | Jyzygzel- | nothing |
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| 19:20.01 | Jyzygzel- | well now the printconf completed |
| 19:20.21 | Jyzygzel- | it said that if it was unable to install printer that i have to visit linuxprinting.org |
| 19:20.25 | Jyzygzel- | how do i know if it was |
| 19:20.38 | jelly-home | schmick: you might also want to install gdm to get a graphical login screen |
| 19:21.01 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: probably, point a browser at localhost:631, and see what's new. |
| 19:21.07 | Dantix | hi, how can I run a script as root? |
| 19:21.17 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: then if it looks like you have a printer set up, try the test page button there. |
| 19:21.27 | Jyzygzel- | yea nad i have to use links2 for that |
| 19:21.27 | Dantix | being not root, of course |
| 19:21.37 | schmick | jelly: I'm quite the noob ... do I type in aptitude install gdm ...? |
| 19:21.41 | Jyzygzel- | cause they only allow localhost connections to admin interface |
| 19:21.57 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: that's configurable, of course. |
| 19:22.21 | Jyzygzel- | yea, tried that. didn't work |
| 19:22.24 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: but naturally your printserver is running a full gui display and client install. :) |
| 19:22.25 | Jyzygzel- | using links |
| 19:22.33 | jelly-home | schmick: right. Also, xfce4-goodies |
| 19:22.38 | Jyzygzel- | im doing the "Add printer" |
| 19:22.54 | schmick | cool, thx |
| 19:23.05 | xingu | Jyzygzel-: /etc/cups/cups.conf, usually; apache httpd-esque config statements. |
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| 19:24.00 | Jyzygzel- | oh my god |
| 19:24.07 | Jyzygzel- | it wants me to upload a PPD dfile |
| 19:24.08 | minerale | is there a way to put a time limit on a command ? |
| 19:24.11 | Jyzygzel- | with links1 ?!?! |
| 19:24.14 | Jyzygzel- | links2 |
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| 19:25.01 | minerale | I want to run a program, let's say /bin/getstats; and time it, and if it is slower than 10 seconds I need to kill it |
| 19:25.20 | Jyzygzel- | oh god im just gonna use netcat and construct the headers myself |
| 19:25.24 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: how are you connecting to the machine? |
| 19:25.42 | Jyzygzel- | nice plug&play feeling |
| 19:26.10 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: you could do ssh -L 1631:localhost:631 print-server, and then use http://localhost:1631/ on your client with a normal browser |
| 19:26.15 | Jyzygzel- | plug&wtf&socketcode&play |
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| 19:28.51 | jelly-home | minerale: timeout package |
| 19:28.57 | Jyzygzel- | hmm there we go |
| 19:29.05 | Jyzygzel- | well it says my printer has been added |
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| 19:30.15 | schmick | jelly-home: I'm trying to preserve resources (it's an older laptop) ... will xfce4-goodies hog much? |
| 19:31.12 | jelly-home | schmick: only if you use any of those. You don't need'em really, just a bunh of additional panel plugins and similar stuff. |
| 19:32.36 | jelly-home | schmick: I'm using xfce with 512MB RAM and it works ok. If you have less than say 256MB you might need to look into something even lighter. |
| 19:32.50 | Supaplex | I <3 the flwm |
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| 19:33.40 | jelly-home | I <3 low dollar and ability to buy more RAM cheaply. This box is getting 2GB soon. :-) |
| 19:34.03 | billybob | soon ? |
| 19:34.14 | billybob | you mean you dont have 2 gb already ? |
| 19:34.19 | schmick | jelly: thx much |
| 19:34.23 | xand | I have 10TB ram |
| 19:34.32 | billybob | sure you do |
| 19:34.36 | jelly-home | billybob: I just said I have 512MB? |
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| 19:34.58 | billybob | wow, thats not a lot |
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| 19:36.46 | lymeca | I have a basic Sony DV camera I just plugged into the Firewire port on my Debian box. What application can I use to capture the video and dump it into a file? |
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| 19:37.08 | Supaplex | but sony is evil |
| 19:37.18 | minerale | jelly-home: is that a timout library? |
| 19:37.55 | jelly-home | minerale: read the description. |
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| 19:38.13 | alaxK | Hello! Where are the lastlogin logs keeped ? Thanks! |
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| 19:40.46 | jafonso | hello. i'm having trouble setting a terminal on a serial line with etch on a sun x2100 m2 server. once i do a start AgentInfo/console I get the successful message but then no prompt appears (nothing apears for that matter). |
| 19:41.07 | jafonso | I have uncommented the T0 and T1 lines in /etc/inittab |
| 19:41.18 | jafonso | (and ran telinit q) |
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| 19:44.24 | Jyzygzel- | lol |
| 19:44.26 | Jyzygzel- | test page prints |
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| 19:47.14 | nas | i have a strange audio problem |
| 19:47.21 | Eclipser | could someone remind me what the software was that could make videos of areas in X? |
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| 19:47.24 | jbaloul | hello |
| 19:47.28 | nas | ac97 onboard a kt880 delta |
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| 19:47.49 | nas | if i plug headphones into the line in then i get sound its kinda garbled though |
| 19:47.54 | eFfeM | hi, what would be the simplest way to get a snapshot on my system of Debian 4.1.1-21 ? |
| 19:48.02 | nas | if i plug phones into the audio out then i get no sound |
| 19:48.14 | nas | and all alsamixer option are at max and not muted |
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| 19:49.55 | jbaloul | would anyone happen to know if there is a 2.6 kernel available that is precompiled with HZ =100 ? |
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| 19:51.09 | rummik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.09 | rummik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.51 | abrotman | jbaloul: don't think so |
| 19:52.00 | rummik | top seems to be using a little more of the cpu than it should <o.O> |
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| 19:53.07 | jbaloul | abrotman, thanks for the response, darn, i am looking to fix the vmware guest time drift if you are familair with the problem |
| 19:53.17 | abrotman | don't use vmware |
| 19:53.21 | abrotman | erm .. i don't use |
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| 19:54.31 | jbaloul | thanks |
| 19:54.55 | stew | the 486 kernel might be 100hz, but the other i386 kernels are 250 |
| 19:55.16 | stew | i don't have a 486 kernel to look at |
| 19:56.16 | jbaloul | i c ...all 2.4 kernels are HZ=100 ...and 2.6 kernels drive the time in the vmware guest nuts |
| 19:56.31 | jbaloul | centos for example released a vmware kernel rpm built with HZ-100 |
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| 19:57.30 | torgrimt | i just recompiled the kernel with 100hz |
| 19:57.32 | dalias | top always uses lots of cpu because /proc is so poorly implemented |
| 19:57.33 | torgrimt | works great |
| 19:57.33 | torgrimt | ;) |
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| 19:57.53 | stew | torgrimt: what was your motivation to lower HZ? |
| 19:57.53 | dalias | hopefully someday HZ will be gone |
| 19:58.01 | dalias | stew, probably improved performance |
| 19:58.14 | torgrimt | stew: to get the time to work properly |
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| 19:58.22 | torgrimt | stew: the clock ;) |
| 19:58.28 | jbaloul | higher Hz was originally done for desktop user responsivenes, nothing more |
| 19:58.37 | stew | jbaloul: and realtime applications |
| 19:58.57 | stew | torgrimt: how was it malfunctioning? |
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| 19:59.08 | schmick | another noob question ... what is a good commandline to install any debian updates? |
| 19:59.13 | torgrimt | stew: it was lagging behind. often weeks in an little hour |
| 19:59.15 | nathanhi | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.21 | torgrimt | stew: this is only on vmware esx server |
| 19:59.27 | stew | torgrimt: why not use ntp? |
| 19:59.34 | stew | (which is a good idea in any case) |
| 19:59.35 | wald0 | how i can read .PS files ? |
| 19:59.43 | stew | wald0: with gv |
| 19:59.43 | torgrimt | stew: that dosent help, it can drift away |
| 19:59.48 | wald0 | thx |
| 19:59.49 | nathanhi | everybody must come to #klo |
| 19:59.55 | nathanhi | i want to kick u all :D |
| 19:59.56 | torgrimt | stew: and also ntp dies if the time is waaaay off |
| 20:00.04 | nathanhi | i like kicking :D |
| 20:00.05 | stew | torgrimt: ntp should be keeping track of the drift |
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| 20:00.17 | torgrimt | stew: well it dosent do a proper job with that much drift |
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| 20:00.34 | Spec | is portmap used only by nfs? |
| 20:00.45 | abrotman | no |
| 20:00.56 | abrotman | !rpc |
| 20:00.56 | dpkg | hmm... rpc is remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
| 20:00.56 | Spec | what else uses it? |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | for example .. famd |
| 20:01.03 | stew | Spec: famd |
| 20:01.07 | jbaloul | stew, ntp can't keep track because lets say you cron it for every 5 minutes but the system time drifts every minute, than you never reach the time to kick off the ntp sync |
| 20:01.22 | torgrimt | you can use ntpd ;) |
| 20:01.24 | stew | jbaloul: ntp syncs continuously, not every 5 minutes |
| 20:01.27 | torgrimt | but still, it drift ALOT |
| 20:01.38 | torgrimt | as i said, you can lag behind 3 months in 10 mins |
| 20:01.44 | stew | torgrimt: not with ntp |
| 20:01.52 | torgrimt | and there are not really any downsides with running it on 100hz |
| 20:02.00 | jbaloul | stew, its not fast enough, trust me :) |
| 20:02.07 | wald0 | can i connect via XDMCP to my computer without a x-login-manager running ? |
| 20:02.10 | torgrimt | yes, i have also wasted ALOT of time on that |
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| 20:02.20 | torgrimt | debugging and trying to get it to work |
| 20:02.21 | jbaloul | torgrimt ...so your basically compiling kernels for every guest as |
| 20:02.32 | jbaloul | HZ 100 |
| 20:02.32 | stew | jbaloul: what's not fast enough? |
| 20:02.35 | torgrimt | jbaloul: not really, i compiled one and cloned to 30 machines ;) |
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| 20:02.38 | jbaloul | ntpd sync |
| 20:02.44 | jbaloul | nor ntp client sync |
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| 20:02.47 | torgrimt | jbaloul: and i only use debian, s it was no problme |
| 20:03.01 | stew | jbaloul: not fast enough at doing what? |
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| 20:03.07 | jbaloul | yeah, my problem is i have a mixed environment |
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| 20:03.21 | torgrimt | jbaloul: i have windows aswell, but those dosent have that problem ;) |
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| 20:03.25 | jbaloul | stew, at keeping the guest up to speed |
| 20:03.34 | billybob | whats the initial debian configuration tool ? |
| 20:03.56 | stew | billybob: the debian-installer |
| 20:03.59 | jbaloul | yeah windows and vmware tools play better than linux guests |
| 20:04.11 | billybob | stew: is that runable ? |
| 20:04.17 | torgrimt | jbaloul: if im not wrong, the hz is now selectable at boottime, atleast at compiletime ;) |
| 20:04.48 | jbaloul | at boot time? you mean in the grub kernel line? (at compile time i know it is) |
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| 20:05.18 | stew | billybob: no |
| 20:05.33 | billybob | stew: i just bootstrapped an install |
| 20:05.34 | stew | billybob: i mean, its a bootable cd. but after you are done installing there is no configuration |
| 20:05.41 | billybob | i need to reconfigure it |
| 20:05.59 | jbaloul | torgrimt, if you have a magical kernel option to pass at boot i would love to know |
| 20:06.04 | stew | billybob: edit /etc/hostname, /etc/fstab, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:06.14 | billybob | peh you're not gettign it |
| 20:06.17 | stew | billybob: /etc/hosts |
| 20:06.20 | stew | billybob: i'm getting it |
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| 20:06.32 | torgrimt | jbaloul: sorry i dont. not sure if its doable, since i figured out a way to get mine to work |
| 20:06.32 | stew | billybob: you are looking for the base-config package which no longer exists |
| 20:06.40 | billybob | wtf |
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| 20:06.57 | billybob | so how the fuck am i supposed to setup all that crap now |
| 20:07.04 | billybob | man thats stupid |
| 20:07.09 | stew | billybob: it used to be that installing debian meant booting the cd, running the installer, rebooting into your new system, then running a post-install. all that post install is now done on the cd before you reboot |
| 20:07.15 | stew | billybob: i just told you how |
| 20:07.42 | billybob | actually, you didnt. |
| 20:07.48 | billybob | you told me how to fix conf files |
| 20:07.53 | jbaloul | torgrimt, thats ok, thanks anyhow, so you have not noticed any downgrade in performance since running in HZ=100 have you? do you have any applications that rely on time and database critical timestamps..etc etc ? |
| 20:07.57 | stew | billybob: what else are you looking to configure? |
| 20:08.06 | billybob | EVERYTHING |
| 20:08.26 | billybob | just for example |
| 20:08.29 | stew | billybob: what am I leaving out? if this is going to run standalone you also have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:08.36 | billybob | there seems to be some missing |
| 20:08.42 | stew | billybob: what makes you say that? |
| 20:08.53 | billybob | language dependancies are left out |
| 20:09.14 | billybob | sudo is not installed |
| 20:09.23 | billybob | of course i can probably do that albeit manually |
| 20:09.24 | abrotman | sudo is never installed by default |
| 20:09.29 | billybob | shadow passwds are not enabled |
| 20:09.31 | stew | billybob: "aptitude install sudo" (a base install wouldn't include sudo) |
| 20:09.43 | billybob | ssee thats stupid |
| 20:09.46 | dalias | wtf non-shadow passwords? |
| 20:09.56 | abrotman | billybob: are you still running sarge? |
| 20:09.57 | dalias | you might as well not have passwords on accounts at all.. |
| 20:10.09 | billybob | THIS IS A BOOT STRAPPED INSTALL |
| 20:10.12 | billybob | NOTHING IS WORKING |
| 20:10.15 | billybob | heh |
| 20:10.18 | abrotman | THANKS |
| 20:10.22 | Braindead | N00B |
| 20:10.24 | stew | billybob: what does "grep ^password /etc/pam.d/common-password" return? |
| 20:10.31 | stew | Braindead: stop that |
| 20:10.35 | stew | billybob: please don't use caps |
| 20:10.36 | karmatronic | billybob: and case makes a special point ? |
| 20:11.11 | billybob | i cannot belive they would rip something out, just because it made things simpler |
| 20:11.13 | dkr | karmatronic: yes, that caps lock is cruise control for cool |
| 20:11.27 | billybob | in this case 'the debian way' doesnt make sense |
| 20:11.29 | stew | billybob: /msg dpkg base-config |
| 20:11.35 | abrotman | billybob: do you need help with something? or are you just going to complain for a few hours? |
| 20:11.56 | stew | billybob: if you want to fork the old software that used to do this, and make it run standalone again, then package it for debian, it would be welcomed. but so far, nobody has done this |
| 20:12.04 | karmatronic | billybob: what this way offers you is to stick to the basic and install things only if you need them |
| 20:12.29 | karmatronic | billybob: that s something that i miss a lot from almost every other linux distrib |
| 20:12.36 | jbaloul | ok thanks guys, out |
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| 20:12.42 | billybob | well not one is forcing anyoe to use base-config |
| 20:12.47 | stew | karmatronic: no you are missing the point. there used to be post-install tools that would help configure a bootstarapped system, this doesn't ahve anything to do with the software that is installed |
| 20:12.56 | billybob | its silly in my opinion to rip it ut |
| 20:13.05 | karmatronic | stew: oops my mistake |
| 20:13.33 | stew | billybob: well the base-config author had no interest in maintaining it as a standalone applications. he never intended it to be used that way. he didn't maintain that functionality and nobody else is volunteering to |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | billybob: in etch .. there's no more keyboard .. it's all mind control :) |
| 20:13.58 | billybob | lol |
| 20:14.13 | stew | billybob: what does "grep ^password /etc/pam.d/common-password" return? |
| 20:14.13 | eFfeM | hi, what would be the simplest way to get a snapshot on my system of Debian 4.1.1-21 ? |
| 20:14.25 | billybob | stew: im not logged into the machine yet |
| 20:14.33 | billybob | stew: i can setup all that manually |
| 20:14.49 | billybob | i was hoping for a nice text gui thing though . . . |
| 20:14.59 | stew | billybob: becusae i'm pretty sure you are wrong about the shadow passwords not being enabled |
| 20:15.15 | billybob | my memory sucks and base-config helped me remember what all i needed configured |
| 20:15.42 | stew | billybob: /msg dpkg base-config |
| 20:15.56 | billybob | stew: yeah yu said that already |
| 20:16.11 | billybob | guess ill have to print it out |
| 20:16.18 | stew | billybob: are you asking what needs to be configured or what? |
| 20:16.33 | stew | billybob: i was trying to help you find the information you seemed to be looking for |
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| 20:16.40 | billybob | i need to remember everyting that does need to be configured |
| 20:16.58 | stew | billybob: if you type "/msg dpkg base-config" the dpkg bot will give you a url that gives you this information |
| 20:17.08 | billybob | and i am pretty sure since there is not even a passwd on my bootstrapped install, there is not shadow passwds |
| 20:17.15 | billybob | never saw teh saemon fire up either |
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| 20:17.23 | billybob | daemon* |
| 20:17.35 | stew | billybob: there is no root password set until you set one with passwd |
| 20:17.39 | stew | billybob: which deamon? |
| 20:18.11 | billybob | stew: iseem to recall the install tool for shadow passwd would ask you several questions |
| 20:18.24 | billybob | (when installed) |
| 20:18.27 | billybob | that never happened |
| 20:18.42 | stew | billybob: yes, it used to ask you if you wanted shadow passwords or not. it no longer does |
| 20:18.57 | billybob | it still does in an etch install |
| 20:19.14 | billybob | atleast the expertgui install asked |
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| 20:19.24 | billybob | also asked if i wanted root enabled etc |
| 20:19.24 | cizra | Hi there. |
| 20:19.25 | stew | billybob: the default is to enable shadow passwords |
| 20:19.45 | billybob | pffft |
| 20:19.55 | billybob | ok, |
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| 20:20.17 | cizra | About PowerPC Mac port, is debian-40r1-powerpc-netinst.iso the right CD to pull? |
| 20:20.29 | stew | cizra: yes |
| 20:20.30 | cizra | My Mac doesn't seem to be able to boot from it. |
| 20:20.39 | abrotman | cizra: how old/new is your mac ? |
| 20:20.48 | cizra | And yaboot won't read the partition, complains about corrupt or unknown FS. |
| 20:20.49 | yigal | is it a common problem for ndiswrapper that one has to rmmod && modprobe it everyone few hours? |
| 20:20.51 | stew | cizra: what processor does your mac have? |
| 20:20.56 | cizra | abrotman: Blue & White G3, I suppose it's from 1999 |
| 20:21.01 | cizra | 300 MHz PowerPC |
| 20:21.02 | yigal | s/everyone/every |
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| 20:21.23 | abrotman | cizra: but defintely G3? |
| 20:21.26 | billybob | now whose the fool calling me a newb because i missed the base-config tool ? maybe you're a newb for not kowing what it is. |
| 20:21.31 | cizra | abrotman: yep |
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| 20:21.35 | stew | billybob: please drop it |
| 20:21.41 | yigal | cizra: wow that pretty cool |
| 20:21.43 | billybob | i never started that |
| 20:21.50 | yigal | cizra: I hope you can get it to work |
| 20:21.50 | stew | billybob: please don't continue it |
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| 20:22.03 | cizra | yigal: Got it for free from a friend, his company discarded a bunch of those. |
| 20:22.07 | cizra | yigal: Me too.. |
| 20:22.09 | billybob | i sure do feel welcome here. |
| 20:22.27 | billybob | uyou let some asshole rip me, and do nothign about it and when i retort you scold me for it |
| 20:22.29 | billybob | jesus |
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| 20:22.57 | stew | billybob: i did infact tell him to stop immediately. you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 20:23.12 | yigal | is it a common problem when using ndiswrapper that one has to rmmod && modprobe it every few hours? |
| 20:23.20 | cizra | yigal: Not for me |
| 20:23.25 | cizra | BCM4318 o'er here |
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| 20:23.38 | yigal | cizra: bcm43xx here |
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| 20:23.53 | cizra | yigal: Works pretty well... |
| 20:23.58 | Jyzygzel- | are there any tools to test IR in the computer? |
| 20:24.01 | cizra | (I have no basis for comparison, though) |
| 20:24.23 | Jyzygzel- | i have IR thing in my computer and i wanna know if it works |
| 20:24.26 | yigal | cizra: it works for maybe 4 hours and then I have to rmmod && modprobe :) but this is on a laptop that has been on for 5 days |
| 20:24.29 | cizra | Anyway, what does it mean when yaboot says that the filesystem is unknown or corrupt? That it doesn't have the Mac FS drivers? |
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| 20:25.03 | cizra | Shouldn't be so. |
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| 20:25.32 | karsten | Jyzygzel-: Get an IR transmitter and test it. Another laptop, PDA, TV remote. |
| 20:25.46 | karsten | Jyzygzel-: You should be able to cat the device directly and read the bitstream. |
| 20:25.47 | dimaka | hi, how could I upgrade to lenny? |
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| 20:26.00 | Jyzygzel- | karsten whats the name? |
| 20:26.08 | cydork | !tell dimaka -about etch->lenny |
| 20:26.28 | dimaka | cyberjames: thanks a lot ;) |
| 20:26.33 | karsten | Jyzygzel-: /dev/irda or similar. |
| 20:26.42 | dimaka | cydork: thanks a lot ;) |
| 20:26.56 | cydork | dimaka: no problem |
| 20:27.04 | karsten | Jyzygzel-: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/IrDA/ |
| 20:27.23 | yigal | cizra: I came late to your problem how exactly are you trying to boot? external HD --> Mac or other? |
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| 20:27.55 | cizra | yigal: At first I tried booting from the CD. It spins up, but then proceeds to Mac OS loading. |
| 20:28.11 | cizra | yigal: Then I tried the yaboot thing, copied yaboot, yaboot.conf and a bunch of kernels into / |
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| 20:28.59 | cizra | yigal: .. but yaboot says that the FS is corrupt or unknown. |
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| 20:30.38 | cizra | yigal: And now I'm stuck. |
| 20:30.56 | yigal | cizra: is your Mac considered "new world" - just reading from a wikipedia stub. |
| 20:31.22 | cizra | yep, I guess |
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| 20:32.48 | simonrvn | !mksock |
| 20:33.05 | simonrvn | cizra: what's the machine? |
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| 20:34.01 | schmick | How do I load Mozilla Firefox from commandline? aptitude install ??something something?? |
| 20:34.04 | cizra | simonrvn: Blue & white G3 |
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| 20:34.07 | simonrvn | cizra: ah i scrolled up... yeha B&W is newworld, should boot from debian cd fine |
| 20:34.13 | simonrvn | yeh a* |
| 20:34.22 | cizra | schmick: What do you mean, "load"? Install? Then apt-get install firefox, I suspect. |
| 20:34.30 | schmick | I mean get it and install it |
| 20:34.58 | schmick | I'm a noob looking for the specific commandline |
| 20:35.10 | cizra | simonrvn: How to debug what's wrong? It spins up, but then just proceeds to Mac OS booting )= |
| 20:35.12 | Braindead | schmick: have you tried "aptitude install firefox" ? |
| 20:35.13 | simonrvn | cizra: boot from cd, fsck that partition, then mount it, chroot to it, mount /proc, then re-run ybin |
| 20:35.14 | stew | schmick: debian provides 'iceweasel' which is basically firefox which has been rebranded to not ues the firefox trademark |
| 20:35.27 | Braindead | and firefox, the transitory dummy package |
| 20:35.31 | simonrvn | cizra: press c to make it go to cd |
| 20:35.40 | simonrvn | cizra: do that right after it bongs |
| 20:35.42 | schmick | I'll try aptitude install firefox now |
| 20:35.48 | cizra | Yeah, yeah, I do that. It spins up, and then abandons the CDROM and goes to boot from disk. |
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| 20:35.57 | cizra | schmick: apt-get install firefox, as I already said. |
| 20:36.02 | simonrvn | weird |
| 20:36.12 | cizra | schmick: Oh, well, apt-get install iceweasel then |
| 20:36.53 | schmick | thanks much |
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| 20:37.37 | cizra | simonrvn: The strange thing, yaboot won't work either. |
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| 20:40.20 | simonrvn | cizra: what happened exactly? i missed the convo (obviously) |
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| 20:41.19 | cizra | simonrvn: Well, first the sound, then I pressed "c". Then it got stuck in the blue blank screen for about 10 seconds. The CDROM spun up. Then it spun back down, the blank blue screen changed into the Mac-logo screen and that was it. |
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| 20:43.02 | rmaj_ | my debian screen saver and screen lock crashes all the time.... wtf? |
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| 20:43.33 | cizra | rmaj_: Shouldn't. Maybe it stumbles on OpenGL or something? |
| 20:43.50 | rmaj_ | cizra: its the Blank screen saver |
| 20:44.09 | rmaj_ | its a huge security risk actually |
| 20:44.13 | cizra | Why? |
| 20:44.17 | rmaj_ | since it leaves my station wide open |
| 20:44.18 | cizra | Ah, to have it crash? |
| 20:44.27 | rmaj_ | anyone can walk by and use my computer |
| 20:44.32 | cizra | Hm, well, yeah, is it xscreensaver or something other? |
| 20:44.34 | az | hi, new installation freezes at restart after "Uncompressing Linux..." with : ide1: I/O resource 0x376-0x376 not free, ide1: ports already in use, skipping probe. does it tell something ? |
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| 20:44.42 | rmaj_ | cizra: not sure. how to check? |
| 20:45.04 | rmaj_ | az: looks like kernel problem... tried googling for that msg? |
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| 20:45.57 | cizra | rmaj_: eh.. pidof xscreensaver should tell if it's xscreensaver |
| 20:46.06 | cizra | az: What platform? |
| 20:46.34 | rmaj_ | cizra: yes, its xscreensaver |
| 20:46.44 | stew | az: is that debian stable aka 4.0? |
| 20:46.45 | az | rmaj_: yes, there is some bug reports that dont tell me much |
| 20:47.07 | stew | az: how new is the hardware? |
| 20:47.16 | az | debian i386 |
| 20:47.17 | rmaj_ | az: perhaps some fancy boot option like noacpi or whatever? |
| 20:47.28 | rmaj_ | *might help |
| 20:47.42 | az | i had this last time, and on 3th or 4th reinstall it worked |
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| 20:49.14 | Nyle | simonrvn: I am going to do a death metal version of 'Eye of the Tiger' |
| 20:49.18 | Nyle | great, see ya |
| 20:50.04 | jelly-home | !info robotfindskitten etch |
| 20:50.08 | dpkg | robotfindskitten: (Zen Simulation of robot finding kitten), section games, is optional. Version: 1.4142135.349-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 20:50.12 | realshiva | hi, after installing debian etch, i want to add a apt.source of a debian mirror. but i dont find informations about that, what i have to edit in the file |
| 20:50.13 | abrotman | best game ever! |
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| 20:50.25 | abrotman | !tell realshiva about sources.list |
| 20:50.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: I finished it on my first run! |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: my kitten ran away :( |
| 20:50.59 | jelly-home | aww. |
| 20:51.05 | jelly-home | !beer abrotman |
| 20:51.06 | realshiva | thx abrotman |
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| 20:52.21 | abrotman | !nopony me |
| 20:52.21 | dpkg | abrotman: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 20:53.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: the javascript version is now my test app to determine the usability of JS in a browser: http://www.dinosaursandmoustaches.com/nerdfoolery/robotfindskitten.php |
| 20:53.24 | jelly-home | Konqueror fails. |
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| 20:53.43 | grendal_prime | how the hell do you enable ipforwarding in etch? |
| 20:53.49 | grendal_prime | no more options in network |
| 20:54.00 | dimaka | how can I configure my Xorg? I don't see xorgconf =\ |
| 20:54.13 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: it's an entry in /etc/sysctl, or you can install ipmasq or similar. |
| 20:54.17 | cizra | dimaka: run Xorg -configure as root |
| 20:54.32 | cizra | dimaka: That creates /root/Xorg.conf.new or something. Then review it and use it. |
| 20:54.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: that is so sad :) |
| 20:54.51 | cizra | grendal_prime: That's done with iptables, not network config, I suspect. |
| 20:55.03 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: im sourcenatting it i dont want to use ipmasq |
| 20:55.20 | simonrvn | cizra: might try re-doing the cd? sounds like it's not finding the bootstrap partition on the cd. |
| 20:55.23 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: so just turn it on in sysctl |
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| 20:55.32 | simonrvn | Nyle: oh neat. that's a good song |
| 20:55.57 | grendal_prime | is there any advantage to using ipmasq? |
| 20:56.14 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: it's a package which comes with a bunch of firewall rules and other useful stuff |
| 20:56.14 | cizra | simonrvn: The sha1sum of the ISO is OK |
| 20:56.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: Found the constellation Pisces in Opera, though. |
| 20:56.26 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: but if you're doing something else, it's probably not terribly useful |
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| 20:56.44 | dimaka | cizra: thanks, I found out that I didn't install X.. I made "aptitude install xfce4" and thaught that it install X such as dependencies |
| 20:56.52 | grendal_prime | building a router...but i just sort of have this...well standardized way of doing it... |
| 20:57.00 | simonrvn | @mksock is <reply>A simple mksock.c can be had at http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/code/c/mksock.c |
| 20:57.01 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
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| 20:58.29 | jelly-home | simonrvn: aren't grandmas useful for that? |
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| 20:59.31 | simonrvn | cizra: try ctrl-command-shift-backspace after the bong (forces it to boot from the last device) |
| 20:59.43 | trj_ | Hi, I'm having a problem in unstable, the locales package won't install, says 'locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 but it is not installable', has anyone seen this before, any suggestions? |
| 20:59.45 | cizra | simonrvn: Will try, thanks |
| 20:59.46 | simonrvn | jelly-home: sure, knitted wool socks or moccassins ;) |
| 20:59.50 | pyrogx | I've had overheating issues with my laptop in Ubuntu (it actually broke), and have heard that switching to Debian might help. Has anyone experienced something similar? |
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| 20:59.59 | cizra | pyrogx: I doubt it very much |
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| 21:00.22 | stew | trj_: yes, it is a known bug. install an older version of locales |
| 21:00.46 | trj_ | stew: Can I install an old version with apt, or do I need to find an old deb and use dpkg? |
| 21:01.02 | simonrvn | cizra: #debianppc is where us ppc debian geeks hang out and discuss/support stuff |
| 21:01.08 | pyrogx | cizra: Are you using Debian on a laptop? If so, how's its power management? |
| 21:01.12 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: If its a hardware problem nothing will help |
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| 21:01.31 | cizra | pyrogx: no, I'm using Arch Linux on my laptop. |
| 21:01.52 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: Thats just a kernel thing if you build your own chances are it will be less broken than that ubuntu one |
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| 21:02.26 | stew | trj_: what version of libc6 do you have installed? you can perhaps install the one from testing |
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| 21:03.02 | trj_ | stew: 2.6.1 |
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| 21:03.12 | stew | trj_: then yes, you can use the version from testing |
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| 21:03.18 | froggles | hi |
| 21:03.23 | stew | trj_: you can use aptitude to help you select a version as well, probably |
| 21:03.32 | trj_ | stew: Thanks. |
| 21:03.42 | froggles | ps aux | grep tty # shows a list of terminals. how can i find out which process (such as this irssi session) is using which terminal ? |
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| 21:04.16 | pyrogx | h3sp4wn: Well, since my laptop actually broke, I am somewhat cautious ... how is Debian's kernel vis-à-vis laptops? Is it also "broken" in this regard, only less "broken" than Ubuntu's? |
| 21:04.21 | dkr | froggles: w |
| 21:04.29 | froggles | w |
| 21:04.48 | dkr | froggles: type it in your shell, not here. :) |
| 21:04.54 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: Is it now fixed ? |
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| 21:05.10 | marcello_ | w |
| 21:05.15 | froggles | dkr im not pasting anything |
| 21:05.27 | marcello_ | it doesn't work :) |
| 21:05.27 | froggles | oh w is a command |
| 21:06.04 | marcello_ | froggles: it is a short form for the "what" command |
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| 21:06.07 | marcello_ | cf man page |
| 21:06.33 | froggles | i have 3 konsoles running. yet w only displays one line |
| 21:06.34 | froggles | jerware :0 - Sun15 ?xdm? 11:54 0.06s /bin/sh /usr/bin/x-session-manager |
| 21:06.47 | dkr | oh yeah, that only shows login shells |
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| 21:06.57 | marcello_ | sorry w is a command on its own I talked bullshit |
| 21:07.36 | pyrogx | h3sp4wn: Yes, it's a while ago. The motherboard had to be changed, which was pretty expensive since the warranty had expired |
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| 21:08.20 | froggles | i want to read the output of an other konsole session. even if i have to be logged in as root. |
| 21:08.25 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: Is it the fans not turning on or something ? |
| 21:08.34 | froggles | and then automate this with a program. |
| 21:08.39 | froggles | such scanning. |
| 21:09.18 | pyrogx | h3sp4wn: The fans did turn on, but the computer still got very hot |
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| 21:09.33 | dkr | froggles: why not just pipe the output of whatever program running inside the terminal? |
| 21:09.38 | pyrogx | They even turned on more than in Windows, which got pretty annoying after a while |
| 21:10.01 | froggles | i want to scan the output of a cisco router for example. |
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| 21:10.15 | dkr | so, telnet? |
| 21:10.16 | froggles | or a wrt router or a nortel router. |
| 21:10.28 | dkr | or snmp? |
| 21:10.28 | pyrogx | Even when I ran my speedstepping processor at the lowest possible frequency (no fans whatsoever in Windows - full throttle in Ubuntu) |
| 21:10.30 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 21:10.50 | pyrogx | And then it crashed. >_< |
| 21:10.58 | froggles | i konw how to program. im not a script kiddie. |
| 21:11.07 | froggles | i gathering statistics from my networking devices. |
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| 21:11.14 | dkr | then just use snmp |
| 21:11.20 | froggles | hmm |
| 21:11.36 | froggles | i'll look into that. |
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| 21:11.56 | dkr | or use software that uses snmp to gaterh the stats, e.g. mtrg |
| 21:11.59 | froggles | i was more interested in CDP protocols of cisco routeres. |
| 21:12.00 | dkr | er, mrtg |
| 21:12.02 | simonrvn | snmp is the thing... a router that doesn't do it is just plain useless |
| 21:12.10 | froggles | ok. |
| 21:12.20 | pyrogx | What I'd really want to know is if Debian's kernel also is somewhat "broken", or if I can trust it to work without any troubles |
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| 21:13.01 | pyrogx | Because if there ARE any troubles, they might destroy my computer |
| 21:13.01 | pyrogx | That's what happened last time |
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| 21:13.01 | dkr | heh |
| 21:13.01 | simonrvn | if it has snmp on it, it'll have whatever MIBs it needs to support what it does (hopefully) |
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| 21:13.01 | froggles | well i also wanted to collect packets from openwrts tcpdump output. |
| 21:13.04 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: Its alot closer to the upstream kernel.org |
| 21:13.10 | wols | pyrogx: ACPI is a gawdawful spec |
| 21:13.12 | simonrvn | your trap just needs to support those too ;) |
| 21:13.16 | wols | no one can guarantee you it works |
| 21:13.30 | dkr | pyrogx: there are no gaurantees. make backups of your data. that being said, the changes of yuor computer benig destroyed by debian are about .00001% :) |
| 21:13.31 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: If you want it guaranteed then get a support contract |
| 21:13.37 | simonrvn | pyrogx: there is NO WARRANTY with any of this |
| 21:13.38 | dkr | chances |
| 21:13.40 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: and supported hardware |
| 21:13.45 | wols | but: a PC that overheats when actually used and breaks is broken from the start |
| 21:13.56 | pyrogx | dkr: The data were safe. It's my motherboard I'm worried about. |
| 21:14.09 | pyrogx | I don't want to replace it again |
| 21:14.19 | wols | simonrvn: debhelper will be delighted to have work |
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| 21:14.37 | simonrvn | The programs included with the Debian system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Debian comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. |
| 21:14.42 | wols | pyrogx: a computer you can't run at its intended speed at which it was sold to you is broken. return it |
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| 21:14.56 | pyrogx | I know there are no warranties. |
| 21:15.00 | pyrogx | That is why I ask. |
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| 21:16.04 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: With 2.6.23 (and the git hrtimers / cfs) my laptop gets now alot more battery |
| 21:16.17 | h3sp4wn | read the linux laptops page look for the model |
| 21:16.32 | pyrogx | h3sp4wn: Thanks for the tip. I'll do that |
| 21:16.44 | pyrogx | Which kernel is included with the last stable version? |
| 21:16.59 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: debian is 2.6.18 with etch |
| 21:17.14 | h3sp4wn | pyrogx: but backports.org has newer kernels |
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| 21:18.40 | bazz | i did a big apt-get upgrade yesterday (to lenny/sid) and now i have this weird problem. randomly, the xserver partially locks up. no keyboard input, but i can move the mouse around. clicking doesn't do anything though. applications already running keep running and their guis update. sometimes i can ctrl-alt-backspace out of it, other times i have to hit the power button to trigger shutdown. i have no idea where to even start trying |
| 21:18.40 | bazz | to fix this. |
| 21:19.22 | Braindead | bazz: lenny OR sid, probably |
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| 21:20.02 | bazz | Braindead: ohh. well my login prompt says lenny/sid :) |
| 21:20.04 | h3sp4wn | bazz: if you are using xserver-xorg-input-{kbd,mouse} try evdev (or vice versa) |
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| 21:20.10 | schmick | today's noob, again - I'm trying to use resources sparingly... (P3, 751mHz, 256ram, 9.5GB-hd) I have loaded Xfce4 and gdm |
| 21:20.11 | schmick | Can I load open office without loading the whole thing? |
| 21:20.17 | schmick | All I want is the word processor and the spreadsheet. |
| 21:20.22 | Braindead | bazz: your sources.list should be the answer, anyway |
| 21:20.35 | simonrvn | schmick: you can selectively install ooo things |
| 21:20.36 | bazz | Braindead: i'm running testing |
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| 21:20.49 | simonrvn | schmick: use aptitude, easier to do that |
| 21:21.10 | schmick | what command line should I use to do that |
| 21:21.17 | Braindead | schmick: you should also consider abiword/gnumeric |
| 21:21.32 | bazz | h3sp4wn: hrmm, i could try that. but i suspect it's something deeper since it's not just that the keyboard stops accepting input. like, sometimes clicking will do something but if i click (say) a link on a webpage, then the browser totally locks |
| 21:21.57 | simonrvn | schmick: as root 'aptitude' (no quotes) |
| 21:22.01 | stew | schmick: aptitude install openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-calc |
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| 21:22.08 | simonrvn | or that :) |
| 21:22.16 | schmick | stew: awesome! thx |
| 21:22.31 | h3sp4wn | bazz: using fglrx or any other binary junk ?(nvidia ?) |
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| 21:23.06 | h3sp4wn | If so I would backport the sid versions |
| 21:23.12 | bazz | h3sp4wn: naw, using the radeon xorg driver |
| 21:23.39 | bazz | h3sp4wn: i am using AccelMethod XXA |
| 21:23.43 | simonrvn | Braindead, schmick: good idea, that |
| 21:23.45 | h3sp4wn | bazz: but you have an r300 (or greater) card I would guess ? |
| 21:23.50 | bazz | h3sp4wn: but everything was working fine before the upgrade |
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| 21:24.04 | h3sp4wn | r200 is rock solid later stuff is still in development |
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| 21:24.19 | schmick | great help :-) |
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| 21:24.52 | h3sp4wn | bazz: It could be mesa not yet matched between sid and testing (its likely it is something that hasn't all come through at once possibly) |
| 21:25.03 | bazz | h3sp4wn: xorg log seems to think its a radeon r250 [radeon mobility 9000 m9] |
| 21:25.04 | h3sp4wn | bazz: did you check the bts ? |
| 21:25.12 | bazz | h3sp4wn: bts? |
| 21:25.16 | h3sp4wn | !bts |
| 21:25.16 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 21:25.43 | wols | bazz: did you change kernels? |
| 21:26.17 | wols | tho, r250 is fine and the radeon pretty mucht he only driver for it |
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| 21:26.30 | h3sp4wn | bazz: Someone won't just be able to give you the answer you will have to work out what it is |
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| 21:26.45 | bazz | h3sp4wn: yeah, i know, i'm trying believe me |
| 21:26.50 | chops | So I had an etch beta 3 installer and I wanted to set up an encrypted LVM disk with / as one of the logical volumes |
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| 21:26.56 | bazz | wols: i don't think so |
| 21:27.05 | chops | And I said, "eh, I'm sure it's fine in beta 3, there's no need to download the release installer" |
| 21:27.25 | chops | In case anyone's wondering: This was not a good decision in terms of optimizing for my time spent :-) |
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| 21:27.36 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/d16c9a5ad <- any id what causes this ? :( |
| 21:27.42 | h3sp4wn | bazz: The situation you are in is why I would never personally use testing |
| 21:27.52 | bazz | h3sp4wn: you run stable? |
| 21:28.04 | h3sp4wn | bazz: either unstable or stable never testing |
| 21:28.05 | chops | |DuReX|: The first thing I notice is that your kernel is tainted |
| 21:28.20 | bazz | h3sp4wn: i thought testing was more stable than unstable |
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| 21:28.51 | h3sp4wn | bazz: Theoretically it is (but if something does break it takes much longer for it to be fixed) |
| 21:29.00 | chops | |DuReX|: Is it a Debian kernel? I would expect a packaged kernel to list far more modules under "Modules linked in". |
| 21:29.12 | h3sp4wn | bazz: I read the bug tracker about stuff that could affect me |
| 21:29.31 | bazz | h3sp4wn: mmm, yeah, i should probably do that |
| 21:29.34 | |DuReX| | chops: its indeed a tainted kernel, need a special module for my sata raid controller, its an own configged kernel |
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| 21:30.41 | chops | |DuReX|: I'd say you've just discovered why (a) rolling your own kernel and (b) using taint-inducing kernel modules are both bad ideas, then. If you've no Debian-packaged-kernel-based alternative, then you may not have a good option :-(. |
| 21:31.38 | chops | |DuReX|: You may have better luck using a Debian kernel with the special module compiled separately than with an own-configged kernel, but if the module you're using is causing crashes then there may not be much you can do. |
| 21:31.52 | h3sp4wn | chops: as long as you don't setup networking then its ok to use an old cd like that |
| 21:32.17 | wols | |DuReX|: why do you use sata raid? |
| 21:32.20 | h3sp4wn | (otherwise there is the option to not do the checksums but I forget what it is ) |
| 21:32.40 | wols | e.g. you aren't using the raid functionality of that raid card, do you? |
| 21:32.42 | |DuReX| | could be the fucking driver indeed, patched it, and now got a other error :) just want to know what can cause such an error, maby i can fix the other shit now :) |
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| 21:33.00 | chops | h3sp4wn: It's not done a very good job of setting up my encrypted volumes :-(. I'm planning to retest a more recent installer when I get time, and see if I get the same behavior (and file a bug if so). |
| 21:33.01 | |DuReX| | wols: i'm using the raid functionallity on the card ... |
| 21:33.02 | |DuReX| | so :( |
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| 21:33.26 | wols | I really doubt it's real raid. just use software raid |
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| 21:33.37 | |DuReX| | well yea wols, just don't want to lose data |
| 21:33.38 | chops | |DuReX|: You could migrate to software RAID and stop using the driver, if stock kernels are capable of driving your disks at all (which I would guess they are). |
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| 21:33.49 | |DuReX| | when i bought it 2 years ago |
| 21:34.10 | |DuReX| | it wasn't supported in kernel yet ... so had to use highpoint driver, now its to late to change, or i lose all data :( |
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| 21:34.54 | chops | |DuReX|: Well, if you're not keeping backups, then you're at risk for losing all your data anyway. If you are keeping backups, then you can just make a backup and then migrate over. |
| 21:35.47 | h3sp4wn | |DuReX|: If its raid can you not just degrade the array take some disks out and then rebuild it (using lvm) and adding the other disks back as appropriate |
| 21:35.58 | h3sp4wn | even a single disk would be fine to start |
| 21:36.19 | h3sp4wn | If its raid0 I have no sympathy |
| 21:36.21 | dutchfish | is it save to asume that the date in .../debian/project/trace/ftp-master.debian.org if the same at the local repo, relfects that the local is up to date? |
| 21:36.28 | |DuReX| | shrinking nor supported ofc |
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| 21:40.44 | wally | hi, is it possible to join debian based server to active directory so it would think that it is running NT os? |
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| 21:41.14 | simonrvn | @ad |
| 21:41.14 | ravenbird | [ad] andorra |
| 21:41.20 | simonrvn | bah |
| 21:41.20 | dutchfish | is it save to asume that the date in .../debian/project/trace/ftp-master.debian.org if the same at the local repo, reflects that the local is up to date? or is there a faster way before rsyncing to check if the local is out of sync? |
| 21:41.29 | simonrvn | @active directory |
| 21:41.29 | ravenbird | A bloated multi-purpose piece of software calling itself a directory. Lives in Microsofts world, making it generally incompatible with standards. |
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| 21:41.54 | dkr | wally: use samba to announce a netbios name? |
| 21:42.02 | jelly-home | ravenbird: you're not very useful this evening, are you? |
| 21:42.05 | ravenbird | jelly-home: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:42.11 | simonrvn | hehhe |
| 21:42.12 | tdn | Is it possible to have several client nodes logging to a central logging server, if I use metalog? Or do I need to use a syslog server? |
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| 21:42.29 | Shadowcat | anyone encountered "no suitable demux plugin" when trying to play back mp3 files in debian? |
| 21:42.33 | wally | dkr: would that be enough to fool AD to think it's NT machine? |
| 21:42.40 | Shadowcat | running amarok 1.4.7 unstable |
| 21:42.49 | Shadowcat | or is it a bug report I've missed somewhere? |
| 21:42.53 | dkr | I don't know anything about AD other than that they copied some NIS features, :) |
| 21:43.04 | abrotman | ldap? |
| 21:43.09 | dutchfish | wally, yes you can join a AD with samba |
| 21:43.13 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: is it a stream? |
| 21:43.13 | simonrvn | and integrated some pseudo-kerberos hack into it |
| 21:43.20 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: it's an mp3 |
| 21:43.27 | Shadowcat | as in local |
| 21:43.30 | Shadowcat | juk is playing them just fine |
| 21:43.33 | Jyzygzel- | i need to print a file |
| 21:43.39 | Jyzygzel- | what do i write in the consoler? |
| 21:43.45 | simonrvn | dutchfish: re: ftp-master Q., no clue what you're looking at |
| 21:43.50 | dkr | Jyzygzel-: lpr file |
| 21:43.50 | chops | Shadowcat: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com?q=no+suitable+demux+plugin |
| 21:43.59 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: hm. I that case, I have no idea. In general that error suggests libxine couldn't do much with the file. |
| 21:44.16 | simonrvn | dmux or dmix? |
| 21:44.17 | Shadowcat | !beat chops |
| 21:44.22 | Shadowcat | very funny, I already googled it |
| 21:44.26 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: assuming you use the default xine engine. |
| 21:44.48 | Shadowcat | !info xine |
| 21:44.54 | dutchfish | simonrvn, par example: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/project/trace/ ....... look at the date of ftp-master.debian.org file and the date in the file |
| 21:44.56 | simonrvn | oh, demux, yeh xine thing usually |
| 21:44.59 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: does xine-ui itself handle the affected file? |
| 21:44.59 | Jyzygzel- | dkr it looks like shit |
| 21:45.24 | Jyzygzel- | dkr how do i print trought cups? |
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| 21:45.42 | dkr | Jyzygzel-: your statement does not tell us anything useful |
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| 21:46.01 | dutchfish | simonrvn, it serves as a time stamp for all the mirrors i suppose |
| 21:46.04 | Jyzygzel- | i wanna print a file |
| 21:46.06 | simonrvn | dutchfish: looks the same except for 1 second |
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| 21:46.08 | Jyzygzel- | using cups |
| 21:46.10 | Shadowcat | let's see |
| 21:46.11 | Jyzygzel- | or something |
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| 21:46.28 | dimaka | I need xorgconf, what package I need to install to get it? |
| 21:46.37 | simonrvn | dutchfish: i have memory echoes that tell me that's what it's for |
| 21:46.44 | dkr | Jyzygzel-: and what happened when you tried lpr file? |
| 21:46.46 | simonrvn | !drxx dimaka |
| 21:46.46 | dpkg | dimaka: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:46.58 | Jyzygzel- | dkr it only printed couple first lines |
| 21:47.00 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: if it were a stream the fix would be easier - just doubleclick it again (because it's some other bug in libxine, triggered when it can't detect the format in first 8192 bytes of the stream. happens with shoutcast mp3 streams sometimes) |
| 21:47.07 | Jyzygzel- | with double row breaks |
| 21:47.18 | pickcoder | Jyzygzel-: what are you printing and what are you printing it to |
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| 21:47.30 | dutchfish | simonrvn, so rsyncing a mirror would also sync this one, comparing with my local one, would reflect the out of sync state, right? |
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| 21:47.30 | Jyzygzel- | text file |
| 21:47.31 | dkr | Jyzygzel-: maybe cups isn't configure for the correct printer type |
| 21:47.32 | Jyzygzel- | to paper |
| 21:47.37 | Jyzygzel- | yes it is |
| 21:47.40 | Jyzygzel- | test page was ok |
| 21:47.56 | pickcoder | make sure it's not a DOS text file |
| 21:48.05 | Jyzygzel- | what |
| 21:48.06 | Jyzygzel- | how |
| 21:48.11 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. If you would buy a new Graphic adapter, would you choose ATI or NVIDIA. My experience is, that the proprietary NVIDIA driver runs better on debian. |
| 21:48.16 | simonrvn | dutchfish: i can't help you much with that, i don't know what happens |
| 21:48.17 | pickcoder | vi will show CRLFs |
| 21:48.18 | dutchfish | simonrvn, because all mirrors should have that 1 |
| 21:48.20 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: dos2unix |
| 21:48.20 | pickcoder | ^M |
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| 21:48.39 | abrotman | pickcoder: not all versions of vi do that (don't know the switch to turn off/on) |
| 21:48.47 | simonrvn | !kill CRLFs |
| 21:48.57 | abrotman | they're already mangled! |
| 21:48.58 | Jyzygzel- | can i print it with vim? |
| 21:49.03 | Jyzygzel- | so it gets formatted somehow |
| 21:49.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:49.08 | Jyzygzel- | if the rows are too long |
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| 21:49.19 | simonrvn | dimaka: don't /msg me |
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| 21:49.36 | simonrvn | keep it on channel |
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| 21:49.38 | dutchfish | simonrvn, according to this: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror ... the rsync way ... it should? |
| 21:49.50 | dkr | Jyzygzel-: man fold |
| 21:50.01 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 21:50.04 | Shadowcat | somebody broke xine |
| 21:50.06 | dkr | you can use that to wrap long text lines |
| 21:50.17 | Jyzygzel- | how much should i fold? |
| 21:50.40 | dkr | to 80 characters would be my guess. you could count how many your printed, :) |
| 21:50.44 | simonrvn | dutchfish: "After rsync is done mirroring, add a time stamp file to the project/trace/ subdirectory of the Debian mirror named after your server. This means running date -u > .../debian/project/trace/your.server after your daily rsync is finished." |
| 21:50.49 | Jyzygzel- | ok |
| 21:51.00 | simonrvn | dutchfish: seems pretty clear to me |
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| 21:51.08 | Jyzygzel- | car text.tc | fold -w 80 | lpr |
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| 21:51.12 | Jyzygzel- | cat |
| 21:51.20 | dutchfish | simonrvn, that too, but let me refrase .... |
| 21:51.29 | dutchfish | is it save to asume that the date in .../debian/project/trace/ftp-master.debian.org if the same at the local repo, reflects that the local is up to date? or is there a faster way before rsyncing to check if the local is out of sync? |
| 21:51.31 | pickcoder | Jyzygzel-: is your printer setup as lp0? |
| 21:51.42 | Jyzygzel- | ya |
| 21:51.44 | pickcoder | ok |
| 21:52.14 | simonrvn | dutchfish: that's up to you to keep track of. if whomever did it before you did didn't, then you're SOL |
| 21:52.19 | Jyzygzel- | my fucking god |
| 21:52.23 | Jyzygzel- | now i got 6 lines |
| 21:52.26 | Jyzygzel- | spreaded all over the paper |
| 21:52.43 | Jyzygzel- | jesus christ how do i share the printer with samba |
| 21:53.03 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i lost you with the last one, sorry for my poor english |
| 21:53.05 | simonrvn | dutchfish: i'd take a look at some of the locally created files you have for a clue |
| 21:53.11 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: For some other amarok-related reason, I have libxine1 from "deb http://att.tartarus.org/~ds/debian lenny main contrib non-free" installed. |
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| 21:53.49 | simonrvn | dutchfish: SOL == shit out of luck |
| 21:53.53 | nas | i forget the name of that damn program its like |
| 21:53.55 | Jyzygzel- | iäve had it |
| 21:53.55 | nas | package alternative config |
| 21:53.57 | nas | or somthing |
| 21:54.01 | nas | alternative config |
| 21:54.04 | Jyzygzel- | been trying to print this one fucking paper for the whole day |
| 21:54.05 | dutchfish | simonrvn, ah ... ok ... thx |
| 21:54.08 | nas | pkg-altconfig |
| 21:54.09 | Jyzygzel- | and its middle of the night |
| 21:54.10 | nas | damn what is it? |
| 21:54.12 | Jyzygzel- | i wanna go to sleep |
| 21:54.23 | Shadowcat | just great |
| 21:54.26 | Jyzygzel- | and tomorrow i won't even have the goddamn paper |
| 21:54.27 | Shadowcat | another error for me to deal with |
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| 21:54.40 | wAndyw78 | I want to repeat: ATI or NVIDIA ? :-) |
| 21:54.44 | Jyzygzel- | deadline is tomorrow |
| 21:54.47 | nas | you know the one if you want to set an alternative java? |
| 21:54.49 | Jyzygzel- | and im gonna get a fukken F |
| 21:55.08 | simonrvn | wAndyw78: what does that mean? and you should make up your own mind. do research. |
| 21:55.22 | SpeedyG | wAndyw78: nvidia, definately |
| 21:55.24 | simonrvn | nas: update-alternatives |
| 21:55.26 | wAndyw78 | simonrvn: read above... |
| 21:55.30 | nas | yes thats it |
| 21:55.32 | nas | thankyou |
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| 21:56.02 | wAndyw78 | SpeedyG: Thank you for telling me your view |
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| 21:56.17 | pickcoder | Jyzygzel-: what kind of printer is it and how is it connected |
| 21:56.17 | simonrvn | wAndyw78: people have less issues with the nvidia closed source/proprietary one |
| 21:56.30 | SpeedyG | wAndyw78: both in linux and windows, imo nvidia has better support than ati .. |
| 21:56.33 | cactus | anyone else have their headers missing when they compiled 2.6.23.1? |
| 21:56.41 | dimaka | simonrvn: I don't have pkg xorg-server installed, and I can't find it in the repo |
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| 21:56.59 | dutchfish | simonrvn, my check on this file, would save a huge load on the mirror if my local repo would be in sync, it takes at leats 10 min, before rsync got the complete file list retrieval, checking only this file is a mather of 2 secs |
| 21:57.00 | cactus | just apt-get install xorg |
| 21:57.01 | h3sp4wn | cactus: using make-pkg ? |
| 21:57.01 | simonrvn | ati is going OSS i hear. but that could be just spin doctoring for a all know |
| 21:57.10 | cactus | h3sp4wn: the debian way |
| 21:57.12 | Eulex | SpeedyG, better binary driver support, ati has better free driver support. if your card happens to be r400 or older. |
| 21:57.15 | simonrvn | dimaka: xserver-xorg |
| 21:57.19 | pickcoder | cactus: did you install the headers? |
| 21:57.20 | h3sp4wn | cactus: You can either just use the soruce tree |
| 21:57.22 | Eulex | simonrvn, yeah |
| 21:57.24 | wAndyw78 | SpeedyG: Yes, that matches my experience. But i thought, perhaps i had only had bad luck with the last ATI cards |
| 21:57.28 | h3sp4wn | cactus: or add kernel_headers |
| 21:57.31 | Eulex | simonrvn, or rather, amd is. |
| 21:57.38 | cactus | pickcoder: no |
| 21:57.39 | dimaka | simonrvn: oh, thanks |
| 21:57.42 | simonrvn | dutchfish: well i don't know your set up |
| 21:57.47 | simonrvn | Eulex: yeh |
| 21:57.48 | cactus | i followed this way http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 21:58.15 | dutchfish | simonrvn, this way: http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync |
| 21:58.25 | SpeedyG | Eulex: ok, but he's deciding to buy a new card ;) and imo it'd be a better choice to buy nvidia |
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| 21:58.44 | crystal | hi there. |
| 21:59.09 | simonrvn | dutchfish: no, i mean, i don't know what files you have there. do you log things? what kind of procedures do you have? that sort of thing. i can't answer that for you |
| 21:59.20 | crystal | somebody knows how change the host? i'am using debian. |
| 21:59.22 | dutchfish | simonrvn, ok |
| 21:59.30 | cactus | i can't just apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.23.1 |
| 21:59.36 | Braindead | cactus: there's no 2.6.23.1 in debian. |
| 21:59.42 | dutchfish | simonrvn, yes i log everyting |
| 21:59.52 | simonrvn | dutchfish: ok, so check your logs ;) |
| 21:59.55 | Braindead | you got a vanilla source from kernel.org. that's a different thing |
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| 22:00.24 | crystal | somebody knows how change the host? i'am using debian. |
| 22:00.31 | cactus | Braindead: i downloaded the source .bz2 and followed this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en but the headers are missing |
| 22:00.39 | simonrvn | !tell crystal -about repeat |
| 22:00.40 | cactus | so i'm trying to get them somehow |
| 22:00.43 | crystal | sorry for flood. |
| 22:00.44 | dutchfish | simonrvn, logs are fine, everything is working ok for days now, i just made thoughts about all the load that was put on a mirror and how to improve it |
| 22:00.48 | simonrvn | crystal: hostname; man hostname |
| 22:00.51 | crystal | just an error |
| 22:00.52 | thruxton | crystal: change the hostname? |
| 22:00.58 | crystal | yep |
| 22:01.05 | crystal | the hostname. |
| 22:01.14 | Braindead | cactus: that guide refers to *debian* sources. |
| 22:01.15 | simonrvn | crystal: hostname --help |
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| 22:01.24 | crystal | ok |
| 22:01.25 | iStiKs | How can I adjust my time in fluxbox? |
| 22:01.31 | crystal | and sorry again for repeat |
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| 22:01.46 | cactus | Braindead: it doesn't |
| 22:01.48 | simonrvn | dutchfish: look at your logs to tell you what happened and when it happened |
| 22:02.05 | simonrvn | dutchfish: yes, that would be useful and resource-friendly |
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| 22:02.19 | dutchfish | simonrvn, ok |
| 22:02.25 | wAndyw78 | crystal: type "hostname newname" |
| 22:02.28 | Braindead | cactus: To compile a kernel the Debian way, you need some packages: fakeroot, kernel-package, linux-source-2.6 and a few others which are probably already installed (see /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz for the complete list). |
| 22:02.29 | cactus | i've used that method before and i got a working kernel out of it |
| 22:02.51 | Braindead | cactus: you said twice "2.6.23.1" so you're using a VANILLA kernel from kernel.org |
| 22:02.58 | simonrvn | crystal: then echo that to /etc/hostname to preserve the change |
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| 22:03.04 | wAndyw78 | crystal: type "hostname newname" in console as root |
| 22:03.11 | grendal_prime | can anyone tell me what the hell this is ? UDP (264 bytes) from 127.0.0.1:32768 to 127.0.0.1:32768 on lo ? |
| 22:03.14 | dutchfish | simonrvn, i will check this for 3 weeks or so and if fine, i will post it into the forum |
| 22:03.32 | grendal_prime | thats on a box that is running as a router...i get that on occation. |
| 22:03.35 | simonrvn | dutchfish: and the debian wiki too ? :) |
| 22:03.43 | wAndyw78 | grendal_prime: i guess: counter strike |
| 22:03.46 | crystal | ok, it works |
| 22:04.08 | GuHHH | in case i need to backup my services configurations, which dirs should i backup? /etc/ and /usr/local/ ? |
| 22:04.09 | cactus | Braindead: Braindead so why is it that installing it the debian way produced working kernels before even though i got the same sources |
| 22:04.19 | grendal_prime | ? counterstrike the game? no there is noone playing that on that network |
| 22:04.51 | grendal_prime | there are 3 machines two are cash registers and the last one is in the warehouse, they are all linux desktops. |
| 22:04.53 | dutchfish | simonrvn, ok, i will, to my calculations this saves ~10mb traffic if host is in sync already, and god knows how much cpy cycles for the mirror to run through all the dirs |
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| 22:04.56 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: netstat -ap and see what program it is |
| 22:04.57 | Braindead | cactus: define "working kernels" and how is it related to its headers |
| 22:05.17 | cactus | working kernels being, i can boot into them/compile drivers in them |
| 22:05.18 | simonrvn | dutchfish: cool |
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| 22:05.50 | Braindead | cactus: can you be a bit more vague? |
| 22:05.59 | cactus | i doubt it |
| 22:06.30 | Braindead | cactus: I suggest "it doesn't work" |
| 22:06.30 | simonrvn | !confuse Braindead |
| 22:06.30 | dpkg | Yes, who was their pineapple tomorrow, Braindead? pants of the monarchy of tahiti with extra herring |
| 22:06.34 | Braindead | I CAN HAD CHEEZBURGER? |
| 22:06.37 | Braindead | ahem has |
| 22:06.41 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: netstat -aup|grep 32768 shows nothing? |
| 22:06.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 22:06.49 | grendal_prime | nothing right now |
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| 22:06.57 | grendal_prime | it just ....whammo happens then goes away |
| 22:07.05 | dutchfish | simonrvn, x number of rsync visitors a day, this adds up quiet fast ;) |
| 22:07.20 | simonrvn | yeh it does |
| 22:07.31 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: I have _something_ on :32768 but no pid shown. think it's harmless but have no idea what it is |
| 22:07.34 | grendal_prime | nevermind i got it |
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| 22:07.46 | grendal_prime | ESTABLISHED2116/postmaster |
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| 22:07.57 | grendal_prime | looks like something to do with postgresql |
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| 22:08.15 | cactus | Braindead: so instead of using http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.23.1.tar.bz2 what should i use? |
| 22:08.15 | jelly-home | if you say so. :-) |
| 22:08.28 | Braindead | To compile a kernel the Debian way, you need some packages: fakeroot, kernel-package, linux-source-2.6 |
| 22:08.35 | Braindead | mmmm wondering what it might be.... |
| 22:08.39 | grendal_prime | you run postgres on your box jelly-home ? |
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| 22:08.55 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: no. |
| 22:09.04 | grendal_prime | werid |
| 22:09.14 | dimaka | could somebody give me sources.list with many nice repos? |
| 22:09.22 | jelly-home | Braindead: you _don't_ need Debian's source to use kernel-package. |
| 22:09.38 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 22:09.38 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:09.44 | simonrvn | dimaka: ^^^ |
| 22:09.45 | Braindead | jelly-home: it's a good start anyway for a guy who says "it doesn't work" |
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| 22:10.01 | cactus | you're the one saying it doesn't work |
| 22:10.01 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: that's a postfix RPC |
| 22:10.13 | Braindead | jelly-home: it's just a nice excuse to say "don't use vanilla, even linus doesn't want you to use it" |
| 22:10.14 | cactus | i'm saying i'm missing headers |
| 22:10.26 | dimaka | simonrvn: I have just that what I found in apt examples :) |
| 22:10.29 | jelly-home | Braindead: I use vanilla. :-P |
| 22:10.53 | Braindead | cactus: oh let's just say you need linux-libc-dev if you're beyond etch |
| 22:11.00 | jelly-home | Braindead: It's had not to use it when your distro is tailing 3 or more months behind |
| 22:11.07 | grendal_prime | im not going to worry about it anymore pickcoder thanks |
| 22:11.11 | dimaka | simonrvn: thanks btw ;) |
| 22:11.14 | jelly-home | hard* |
| 22:11.30 | cactus | i have it, no headers |
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| 22:11.46 | cactus | wouldn't it spit out some errors if i didn't have it? |
| 22:11.54 | jelly-home | Braindead: (well, actually I use vanilla+tuxonice+thinkpad_acpi+... ;-) |
| 22:12.10 | Braindead | +CK |
| 22:12.17 | jelly-home | ck is dead |
| 22:12.20 | Braindead | ah, wait, not anymore. ahaha! |
| 22:12.21 | Braindead | ricers. |
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| 22:12.31 | jelly-home | but yes, it was there before :-D |
| 22:12.36 | pickcoder | wait.. postmaster is not postfix |
| 22:12.47 | jelly-home | postgresql |
| 22:12.49 | pickcoder | yeah |
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| 22:13.10 | cactus | so anyway, what do i have to do to get a kernel with headers |
| 22:13.16 | Braindead | cactus: the "doesn't work" bit and "a bit more vague" were quite ironical |
| 22:13.23 | jelly-home | cactus: what do you need it for? |
| 22:13.24 | pickcoder | it's an RPC connection though |
| 22:13.34 | cactus | nvidia drivers won't install without headers |
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| 22:13.39 | Braindead | jelly-home: make stuff and such. and stuff you know |
| 22:13.51 | jelly-home | cactus: have you read /msg dpkg nvidia ? |
| 22:14.16 | ktmiller | question: how do I verify what cron uses to send email? |
| 22:15.40 | jelly-home | Braindead: I make my kernel on a faster machine then install linux-image- and linux-headers- at home :-) |
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| 22:19.11 | grendal_prime | this machine is flat out werid |
| 22:19.31 | grendal_prime | ive tried everything with the bios..it will not boot from anything but the hd |
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| 22:19.45 | grendal_prime | old pent3 rackable system.. |
| 22:19.56 | grendal_prime | american megatriends bios |
| 22:20.08 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: no particular brand? model? |
| 22:20.44 | grendal_prime | tyan thunder |
| 22:21.03 | grendal_prime | thats the bios version i believe |
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| 22:21.12 | jelly-home | that sounds like a motherboard, not a server brand |
| 22:21.44 | jelly-home | you got a scsi controller in there? |
| 22:22.09 | grendal_prime | rackable is the serverbrand |
| 22:22.09 | pickcoder | I had a boot-up issue once with a tiger or a thunder.. can't remember. Had to disable USB in order for the other boot options to work. |
| 22:22.10 | mavior | hello...i want to install transmission bittorrent client.The package on debian needs to install transmission-cli and transmission-gtk packages: i want to use only the cli mode,because the machine i am installing the client to is only a cli-oriented server...is there a way to prevent aptitude to install transmisison-gtk (wich will install a lot of gtk related packages) as i won't use no graphic's mode ofr transmission? thank you |
| 22:22.16 | pickcoder | a bios update fixed it |
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| 22:23.20 | grendal_prime | i reset it to the failsafe default..its doing something different now ill see |
| 22:23.54 | oggis_ | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg412291.html - why did I have to do this to be able to install xserver-xorg? |
| 22:23.59 | grendal_prime | looks like that did it |
| 22:24.24 | oggis_ | has such an important package really been broken for everybody for a week already? |
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| 22:26.56 | OUTsider | uhm, anyone know why the latest update requires locales to have glibc2.7 while 2.6.3 is being presented as last version ? |
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| 22:27.15 | Braindead | oggis_: if it's so important to you and yet you can't work around it you should be using stable. and yes, sid isn't guaranteed to install "from scratch" at any moment. http://bugs.debian.org/448863 btw the bug was closed in 3 days. |
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| 22:27.55 | SJr|Work | I have a debian box, and a kubuntu box. I'd like to move the Bitstream Charter Font from Debian to Ubuntu how do I do it? |
| 22:27.58 | thruxton | mavior: transmission-cli is able to install on its own for me with no gtk client |
| 22:28.04 | jelly-home | oggis_: the bts shows the bug as fixed? |
| 22:28.14 | pickcoder | OUTsider: got a custom repository in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:28.25 | oggis_ | jelly-home: i still have it with 7.3+3 |
| 22:28.42 | jelly-home | oggis_: fixed in 7.3+4 |
| 22:28.49 | OUTsider | checking |
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| 22:29.01 | oggis_ | Braindead: having to copy files over from an earlier package version doesn't really count as a feasible working around for everyone to figure out |
| 22:29.07 | jelly-home | oggis_: anyway, you know how to use bts. :-) |
| 22:29.12 | mavior | thruxton: yes but seems that the transmission package needs both.... |
| 22:29.21 | jelly-home | and "everyone" is not supposed to run sid |
| 22:29.23 | Braindead | oggis_: you're not "anyone", you want to use SID so you can't |
| 22:29.25 | Braindead | here you go |
| 22:29.33 | OUTsider | pickcoder, only ftp.nl* |
| 22:29.44 | abrotman | OUTsider: running unstable? |
| 22:30.00 | OUTsider | yup, guess it got unstable there :P |
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| 22:30.12 | thruxton | mavior: just do aptitude install transmission-cli |
| 22:30.12 | thruxton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.40 | mavior | thruxton: i have also set aptitude to don't automatically resolve dependencies...but transmission package shows the over mentioned packages again in red |
| 22:30.56 | jelly-home | oggis_: this is precisely why I'm on testing, less brown-paper-bag bugs to see |
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| 22:30.56 | oggis_ | jelly-home: right, it indeed is marked as fixed in 7.3+4... wonder why it isn't in mirrors yet though? |
| 22:31.16 | oggis_ | sid package quality has been great lately though |
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| 22:31.23 | dutchfish | oggis_, mirrors are up to date till last sunday as far as i know |
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| 22:31.28 | mavior | thruxton: will the only cli package install also the transmission's binaries? |
| 22:31.36 | EruditeHermit | hi, my gimp crashes as soon as I try to edit any file |
| 22:31.37 | thruxton | mavior: yes |
| 22:31.44 | oggis_ | haven't had any problems after the libtunepimp crack in early june |
| 22:31.52 | EruditeHermit | can anyone help? gimp 2.4.1 in sid |
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| 22:32.02 | jelly-home | oggis_: there were mention of problems with ftpmaster machine, afair |
| 22:32.05 | thruxton | mavior: it is a replacement for transmission and transmission-gtk |
| 22:32.19 | oggis_ | (having to recompile stuff against different libcurl and ssl packages in effect) |
| 22:32.26 | pickcoder | I wouldn't touch sid with a 10-light-year laser beam |
| 22:32.45 | jelly-home | pickcoder: your beam is drooping. |
| 22:32.48 | pickcoder | I like my OS to actually run |
| 22:32.58 | mavior | thruxton:so...i guess the transmission package is a meta-package to install both version of it ? |
| 22:33.15 | OUTsider | uhm |
| 22:33.29 | karmatronic | pickcoder: yeah ,feels like you really must have time to waste to run sid ....:) |
| 22:33.35 | OUTsider | the current buglist I see actually makes me consider NOT to update :( |
| 22:33.37 | thruxton | mavior: perhaps, ive never used it. But for your needs just install the -cli |
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| 22:34.13 | dutchfish | pickcoder, if nobody would use sid, development of debian would stop, thought about that? ;) |
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| 22:34.28 | Braindead | it's a dirty job someone's gotta do |
| 22:34.31 | pickcoder | dutchfish: if you know what you're doing with Debian and source.. sure |
| 22:34.41 | pickcoder | don't come in here asking for help, though |
| 22:34.44 | Braindead | Hi! I'm Mike Row, and this is my job |
| 22:34.51 | wols | dutchfish: IÄm contented if only the DDs and maintainer use sid |
| 22:34.53 | karmatronic | dutchfish: sure, i really appreciate the job done |
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| 22:35.10 | dutchfish | wols, strongly agree :) |
| 22:35.11 | mavior | thruxton: thank you |
| 22:35.20 | thruxton | mavior: no problem |
| 22:35.27 | pickcoder | I wouldn't join a repair service to ask the customer questions on how to fix their equipment |
| 22:35.29 | OUTsider | except for the libc6 info and the packages I wanted to install :) |
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| 22:35.41 | OUTsider | s/info/stuff |
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| 22:39.45 | Aviel | i need help |
| 22:39.50 | Aviel | some 1? |
| 22:39.56 | dutchfish | !ask |
| 22:39.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:40.05 | Aviel | i try to rum some file |
| 22:40.09 | Aviel | and its write: |
| 22:40.13 | Aviel | ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/d/cs/csfix.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 22:40.35 | Aviel | did i need to install some lib for its work? |
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| 22:41.13 | Ronin | Aviel: what precisely are you doing? installing what for example |
| 22:41.43 | Aviel | i try to run some file that protect my game servers |
| 22:41.48 | Aviel | that ppl cant crash them |
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| 22:41.56 | pickcoder | that looks like a static lib |
| 22:42.01 | Aviel | yeah |
| 22:42.04 | Aviel | what i need to install |
| 22:42.07 | Aviel | for its work |
| 22:42.23 | pickcoder | I dunno, but it's looking in /home/d/cs/ for csfix.so |
| 22:42.26 | Ronin | some file that protects your game servers? hmm |
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| 22:43.11 | Aviel | ? |
| 22:43.33 | pickcoder | counter strike |
| 22:43.36 | pickcoder | more than likely |
| 22:44.01 | Aviel | yeah counter |
| 22:44.05 | Aviel | so what can i do? |
| 22:44.13 | dutchfish | systemimager-boot-i386-standard ? |
| 22:44.20 | Ronin | pickcoder: yep, it was teh file that protects that got me curious |
| 22:44.37 | Aviel | its 64 bit |
| 22:44.38 | pickcoder | it's a DOS fix I think |
| 22:44.41 | Aviel | yeah |
| 22:44.43 | Aviel | DDOS fix |
| 22:45.03 | pickcoder | Aviel: updatedb; locate csfix.so |
| 22:45.09 | Aviel | write thas? |
| 22:45.12 | pickcoder | yes |
| 22:45.16 | Aviel | in root? |
| 22:45.31 | Aviel | fatal error: updatedb: You are not authorized to create a default slocate database! |
| 22:45.31 | Aviel | warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory |
| 22:45.31 | Aviel | warning: You need to run the 'updatedb' command (as root) to create the database. |
| 22:45.31 | Aviel | Please have a look at /etc/updatedb.conf to enable the daily cron job |
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| 22:45.32 | pickcoder | yes |
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| 22:46.48 | Aviel14 | oops |
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| 22:47.15 | pickcoder | you must be root to update the locate database |
| 22:47.15 | Aviel14 | can some 1 help? |
| 22:47.19 | Aviel14 | ok |
| 22:47.23 | Aviel14 | what write again? |
| 22:47.28 | Ronin | !paste |
| 22:47.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:47.30 | pickcoder | updatedb; locate csfix.so |
| 22:47.51 | Aviel14 | ok its dont do nothing |
| 22:48.07 | pickcoder | you will need to locate that lib online |
| 22:48.12 | Aviel14 | who? |
| 22:48.14 | Aviel14 | how i do it |
| 22:48.17 | pickcoder | google? |
| 22:48.24 | Aviel14 | what write there? |
| 22:48.26 | pickcoder | gamer's forums |
| 22:48.34 | pickcoder | I don't run game servers. |
| 22:48.54 | Aviel14 | what the updatedb; locate csfix.so does? |
| 22:49.18 | pickcoder | man updatedb |
| 22:49.20 | pickcoder | man locate |
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| 22:49.37 | Aviel14 | ok what to search at google ? |
| 22:49.40 | pickcoder | csfix.so |
| 22:49.45 | pickcoder | since you are missing it |
| 22:49.45 | Aviel14 | yeah what now? |
| 22:49.54 | Aviel14 | i have thas file |
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| 22:50.04 | pickcoder | you said locate didn't find it |
| 22:50.18 | Aviel14 | yeah |
| 22:50.28 | Aviel14 | oh its find |
| 22:50.33 | Aviel14 | its write the dir |
| 22:50.39 | pickcoder | what dir is it in? |
| 22:50.57 | Aviel14 | home\david\cs\csfix.so |
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| 22:51.43 | pickcoder | export LD_PRELOAD=/home/david/cs/csfix.so |
| 22:51.46 | pickcoder | add that to the start script |
| 22:52.15 | pickcoder | or fix the LD_PRELOAD that's already there |
| 22:52.42 | Aviel14 | not working |
| 22:52.44 | shot22 | or move it to: '/home/d/cs/csfix.so' |
| 22:52.51 | Ronin | !doesn't work |
| 22:52.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 22:53.34 | Aviel14 | what u mean at fix the LD_PRELOAD that's already there? |
| 22:53.54 | pickcoder | Aviel14: edit the startup script |
| 22:53.58 | pickcoder | look for LD_PRELOAD |
| 22:54.12 | Aviel14 | yeah |
| 22:54.24 | pickcoder | change it to the path csfix.so is located |
| 22:54.27 | Aviel14 | i writed there |
| 22:54.33 | Aviel14 | export LD_PRELOAD=/home/david/cs/csfix.so |
| 22:54.35 | Aviel14 | its to the file |
| 22:54.38 | Aviel14 | and its not work |
| 22:54.45 | Aviel14 | maybe i need to do chmod to /home |
| 22:54.45 | Aviel14 | ? |
| 22:54.54 | pickcoder | what is the error now? |
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| 22:55.05 | Aviel14 | ERROR: ld.so: object '/home/david/cs/csfix.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 22:55.29 | Aviel14 | maybe i need install some lib? |
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| 22:56.05 | pickcoder | check file permissions for the csfix.so |
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| 22:56.28 | Aviel14 | how? |
| 22:56.42 | pickcoder | ls -l /home/david/cs/csfix.so |
| 22:56.53 | Aviel14 | -rw------- 1 david cstrike 6004 Apr 5 2007 /home/david/cs/csfix.so |
| 22:57.26 | Aviel14 | ? |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | silly gamers :) |
| 22:57.53 | pickcoder | is there an hlds_l dir? |
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| 22:57.59 | Aviel14 | in cs |
| 22:57.59 | pickcoder | Aviel14: http://forums.steamlessproject.nl/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=464 |
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| 22:58.14 | Aviel14 | yeah i looked there |
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| 22:58.54 | Aviel14 | ? |
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| 22:58.59 | pickcoder | I dunno. |
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| 22:59.11 | Aviel14 | :( |
| 22:59.24 | clamiax | Nobody use fdm here? |
| 22:59.35 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 22:59.48 | efaistos | Does someone know where can i get one dedicated server in uk with Debian ? what are the best ones ? |
| 22:59.50 | Ronin | clamiax: try asking your real question |
| 23:00.14 | clamiax | Ronin: that's my real question. |
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| 23:00.29 | Ronin | clamiax: your real question is does any one use fdm? |
| 23:00.32 | Ronin | clamiax: some do some dont |
| 23:00.32 | chops | !anyone |
| 23:00.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 23:00.34 | clamiax | Ronin: sure |
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| 23:01.12 | clamiax | Ronin: wrong answer. I just need "yes" or "not" |
| 23:01.17 | karsten | Korganizer / Kontact: how would I publish free/busy status to an MS Exchange server? We've got IMAP, POP, and OWA on the exchange side activated. |
| 23:01.49 | karsten | efaistos: 'webserver hosting uk debian' is your best bet, as a google search. |
| 23:01.52 | Ronin | clamiax: good way to not get any answers |
| 23:02.15 | clamiax | Ronin: uff.. it's not time to troll |
| 23:02.23 | chinasky | hello, can anybody explain me this solution, please?: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg412291.html |
| 23:02.24 | Tramp | !bad polls |
| 23:02.25 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 23:03.34 | simonrvn | clamiax: wrong question. |
| 23:03.48 | Ronin | clamiax: try telling us what you wanted to do, what happened when you did it, any errors and messages etc. |
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| 23:04.19 | clamiax | simonrvn: how can you know what i want to know? |
| 23:04.52 | clamiax | Ronin: i'm just curious to know if someone use fdm. Nothing more. |
| 23:05.02 | simonrvn | i read scrollback. you haven't really asked anything except does someone use blah. that's not conducive to answering, it's a poll-type question. |
| 23:05.25 | simonrvn | clamiax: like Ronin said, some people do, some don't. next! |
| 23:05.27 | clamiax | simonrvn: that's exacly what i want to know. |
| 23:05.50 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 23:05.50 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:05.56 | simonrvn | clamiax: ^^^ |
| 23:06.01 | clamiax | lol |
| 23:06.12 | clamiax | :) |
| 23:07.00 | clamiax | THX |
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| 23:13.29 | dutchfish | i just one stupid question today left, how can i combine 2 pdf files that where generated into 1 with a bash script if possible on etch? |
| 23:14.03 | xota | hi! with the first cd of a debian testing I can use bcm43xx to configure my wifi device? or it is not integrated on the installation cd? |
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| 23:15.30 | dutchfish | they where created with libpdf-create-perl |
| 23:16.30 | wols | bcm43xx is in the kernel since it's a mainline kernel driver. the firmware however and probably the firmware-cutter are not on the Debian CD: neither of them are Free software |
| 23:16.45 | wols | fwcutter is in contrib I think. firmware comes with your windows drivers |
| 23:16.57 | dutchfish | nvm, got it already: gs -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOUTPUTFILE=combinedpdf.pdf -dBATCH 1.pdf 2.pdf 3.pdf |
| 23:17.30 | wols | dutchfish: pdft is excellt for things like this too |
| 23:17.31 | xota | wols, and it's possible to configure it without inet connection? f.e. saving firmware on a pendrive? |
| 23:18.30 | dutchfish | wols, thx very much, i delve into it, i need it to combine pdf wich where created by rrdtool and others from dif machines to combine in 1 rapport |
| 23:19.03 | simonrvn | dutchfish: pdfutils or such |
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| 23:19.41 | dutchfish | wols, so my mail box wont get cluthered anymore ;) |
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| 23:20.17 | dutchfish | simonrvn, thx! |
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| 23:21.01 | simonrvn | np |
| 23:21.03 | fasta | Can I test my mouse to see whether a mouse down event is generated continuously when I press and hold it? |
| 23:21.23 | simonrvn | xev |
| 23:21.59 | dutchfish | fasta, mouse.h |
| 23:22.02 | capiira | is http://incoming.debian.org/ working ? |
| 23:22.04 | wols | xota: yes it is. for my WLAN I had to create a debian kernel on another machine and copy the .deb over |
| 23:22.16 | wols | xota: same for the firmware. no use why you couldn't do that |
| 23:22.31 | fasta | dutchfish: you suggest I write a C program to test it? |
| 23:22.53 | dimir | damn, this xev thing is amazing. |
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| 23:23.02 | dutchfish | fasta, i assumed you where, sorry |
| 23:23.07 | dimir | Every day something new. |
| 23:23.19 | fasta | simonrvn: that doesn't know the diffirence between holding and pressing |
| 23:23.23 | wols | dimir: just tell him |
| 23:23.37 | dimir | fasta: you don't say? |
| 23:23.41 | wols | oh simonrvn already did |
| 23:23.41 | fasta | difference* |
| 23:23.48 | dimir | wols: ye |
| 23:23.48 | Seivan| | Is there an easy guide for novies to make a router out of a debian box (where you could block MSN and stuff?) |
| 23:23.52 | fasta | dimir: I do |
| 23:24.04 | abrotman | Seivan|: netfilter.org and lartc.org |
| 23:24.11 | wols | Seivan|: the blocing part is not easy. making a NAT router is |
| 23:24.16 | dimir | fasta: maybe it's just because your mouse is fscked up. Because it perfectly WFM. |
| 23:24.29 | wols | for the blocking you need to make your own ipttables lines |
| 23:24.31 | fasta | !WFM |
| 23:24.31 | dpkg | wfm is, like, Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 23:24.41 | Seivan| | wols could I get some ready finished.. and just add to them? |
| 23:24.43 | fasta | dimir: what exactly does it do for you? |
| 23:24.47 | Seivan| | abrotman gui or CLI? |
| 23:24.49 | fasta | dimir: I just see event 30 |
| 23:25.26 | dimir | fasta: reports ButtenPress and ButtonRelease events on pressing and releasing the button respectively. |
| 23:25.41 | wols | maybe. possible: yes. likely: no |
| 23:26.03 | dimir | works for button 1, 2 and 3. |
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| 23:27.25 | dimir | It seems they wrote just about all apps that are needed. |
| 23:28.30 | fasta | dimir: well, that appears to work. |
| 23:28.51 | fasta | dimir: never mind, it probably is something else. |
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| 23:33.01 | xota | wols, bcm43xx-fwcutter is in the first cd? do u know? |
| 23:35.37 | k-man | do you need to restart anything after modifying the logcheck filters? |
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| 23:37.27 | dutchfish | can anyone get me the name of the package to create ncurses screens from a bash script, i forgot the name |
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| 23:40.12 | dutchfish | k-man, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/278 |
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| 23:41.21 | bzed | k-man: no, just wait for the next logcheck run |
| 23:41.42 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:44.46 | wols | xota: it is afaik in contrib ahtere therefore on no CD at all |
| 23:44.50 | wols | !tell xota about pdo |
| 23:45.15 | jelly-home | dutchfish: dialog? |
| 23:45.28 | _uplinkd_ | i am madly confused in attempting to set up my own dns. how do i get my name server setup so that it can resolve my domain name? |
| 23:45.31 | dutchfish | is bash in etch statically linked against curses or ncurses? |
| 23:45.49 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes, thats the one, cool thx! |
| 23:45.53 | _uplinkd_ | maybe a pointer to some step by step guide of getting a dns up and running would suffice |
| 23:46.51 | Bambi_BOFH | _uplinkd_: bind has a channel, if your using that try asking them |
| 23:46.56 | DustyBin | poke 543281,2 |
| 23:47.00 | _uplinkd_ | thanks much |
| 23:47.07 | Bambi_BOFH | np |
| 23:47.14 | jelly-home | DustyBin: you meant 53281 |
| 23:47.19 | DustyBin | haha yes :D |
| 23:47.35 | jelly-home | why red? |
| 23:47.40 | DustyBin | haha |
| 23:47.59 | jelly-home | red background with light blue letters on a tv = badness |
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| 23:48.44 | DustyBin | SYS 4096 |
| 23:49.08 | jelly-home | DustyBin: here, have fun: remix.kwed.org, www.slayradio.org |
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| 23:49.17 | DustyBin | aye ill take a look :D |
| 23:49.19 | Tramp | _uplinkd_: A couple of days ago someone mentioned http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 23:49.38 | xota | wols, but when i run on the installation bcm43xx-fwcutter, it need to connect to a server to download firmware, yes or no? |
| 23:49.49 | xota | Can i download this firwmare manually? |
| 23:50.07 | xota | excuse, but I'm lost and only have wifi ;( |
| 23:50.22 | _uplinkd_ | Tramp: thank you very much, just taking a quick peek, i think this might really clear the water for me. |
| 23:50.38 | Tramp | _uplinkd_: ok, hth. |
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| 23:57.30 | simonrvn | xota: you asking permission? sure you can ;P |
