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| 00:00.09 | black_13 | dkr was that a response for me |
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| 00:00.44 | dkr | black_13: yes, albeit somewhat of a joke |
| 00:01.16 | black_13 | dkr are there any of the splash software that work |
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| 00:03.40 | black_13 | its the great pumpkin charlie brown! |
| 00:04.16 | dkr | black_13: yes, they work. he just meant that not using a boot splash at all is even less trouble, :) |
| 00:04.17 | GuHHH | abrotman: okay, okay. |
| 00:04.37 | GuHHH | abrotman: im stupid, i was trying dn= instead of dc... ;) |
| 00:05.03 | black_13 | dkr what i want is totally obscure the fact that linux is at work |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | GuHHH: that'll do it :) |
| 00:05.34 | vyrus | is there a guide out there that explains how to install compiz-fusion on debian? all the guides i can find are for ubuntu or for an nvidia card... ive attempted to install compiz-fusion on my own but when i try to start compiz --replace i get "(core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" |
| 00:05.38 | abrotman | black_13: that won't happen |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | !compiz |
| 00:05.47 | dpkg | i heard compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 00:05.54 | wols | vyrus: what videocard, what drivers? |
| 00:06.27 | black_13 | abrotman, wont or cant? |
| 00:06.47 | abrotman | black_13: what do you want to make it look like? |
| 00:07.14 | vyrus | wols: OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon Xpress Series |
| 00:07.15 | vyrus | OpenGL version string: 2.0.6958 Release |
| 00:07.25 | wols | vyrus: not possible |
| 00:07.34 | black_13 | show "upgrade started" ... please remove usb stick and restart computer |
| 00:07.53 | vyrus | wols: not possible on debian or not possible on this hardware? |
| 00:07.57 | wols | vyrus: your fglrx drivers can't do AIGLX (yet) |
| 00:08.03 | vyrus | wols: the new ones can |
| 00:08.05 | wols | on this hardware, yet |
| 00:08.22 | wols | but you don't have new ones yet, and they aren't in debian either |
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| 00:08.50 | vyrus | wols: im pretty sure the ones i have are the new ones seeing as how i got them last night and have seen sevral guids who are running it on these drivers |
| 00:08.54 | vyrus | there just not using debian |
| 00:08.57 | vyrus | most are using ubuntu |
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| 00:09.25 | wols | vyrus: dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 00:09.33 | wols | what version(s)? |
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| 00:09.41 | vyrus | wols: got my drivers from ati using there installer |
| 00:09.52 | wols | then ask ati about help for them and not #debian |
| 00:10.00 | vyrus | ii fglrx-amdcccle 8.36.5-1 Catalyst Control Center for the ATI graphics |
| 00:10.00 | vyrus | ii fglrx-driver 8.37.6-1 Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerato |
| 00:10.00 | vyrus | rc fglrx-kernel-2.6.21.1 8.36.5-1 ATI binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.21.1 |
| 00:10.00 | vyrus | ii fglrx-kernel-src 8.37.6-1 Kernel module source for the ATI graphics ac |
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| 00:10.25 | wols | you have debian packages installed PLUS ati.com ones? nice way to break your system |
| 00:10.58 | vyrus | ... so perhaps i should remove the debian ones and switch to the ati.com ones totaly? |
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| 00:13.14 | haggz | vyrus: if getting compiz running is your priority, maybe so, but that means your system's graphics will break from some standard debian upgrades, so be prepared for additional work which can't be supported in this channel |
| 00:14.12 | haggz | vyrus: if there is a debian kernel upgrade, debian won't know about your binary driver module so the ati driver will probably break and need to be reinstalled, for instance |
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| 00:14.58 | vyrus | haggz: ic |
| 00:15.15 | vyrus | haggz: well the ati driver has the option to create a .deb, perhaps i should just use that |
| 00:15.30 | wols | it's not a wokring debian .deb |
| 00:16.19 | haggz | vyrus: a .deb file is really just a tarball in a format dpkg can understand, that doesn't mean it will actually comply with debian policy and work properly with all the official packages |
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| 00:18.43 | abrotman | haggz: it's an 'ar' of two tar.gz + a few other bits |
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| 00:19.50 | Asmooh | anyone knows how to start compiz-fusion on gnome startup? because now i need to start compiz-icon everytime |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | there's a gnome autostart thing in the preferences |
| 00:20.29 | Asmooh | yea i did |
| 00:20.38 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.51 | Asmooh | but it dont start then, i need to start compiz-fusion-icon |
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| 00:22.20 | syamajala | hmm |
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| 00:23.28 | claudio` | How can i get the "present rate" of my battery when the power cable is plugged in |
| 00:23.29 | claudio` | ? |
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| 00:23.55 | rhalff | hi inetd isn't running by default ? |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | sure |
| 00:24.06 | dashs | is there a forumn for iceweasel, or should I hit mozilla/firefox? |
| 00:24.13 | abrotman | dashs: this is it |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | claudio`: acpi ha smethods .. many GUIs have one also |
| 00:24.44 | claudio` | abrotman: GUIs?! |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | you know .. GNOME? KDE? |
| 00:24.56 | claudio` | abrotman: i'm writing my WM's title bar in bash |
| 00:24.57 | rhalff | how do I enable inetd ? |
| 00:25.04 | claudio` | abrotman: GNOME? KDE? wtf? :P |
| 00:25.09 | claudio` | Does them still exists? |
| 00:25.12 | claudio` | -.- |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | claudio`: use /proc/acpi/ |
| 00:25.24 | abrotman | rhalff: it's already running |
| 00:25.27 | dashs | abrotman: yahoo finacne charts hang iceweasel up, old mozilla is fine. |
| 00:25.41 | abrotman | dashs: is it flash ? |
| 00:25.46 | claudio` | abrotman: this is then the power cable is plugged in.. |
| 00:25.48 | claudio` | claudio@claptop$ grep rate /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state |
| 00:25.50 | claudio` | present rate: 0 mA |
| 00:25.57 | claudio` | abrotman: not much useful, IMNSHO |
| 00:25.59 | syamajala | there is something wrong with my sound |
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| 00:26.06 | abrotman | claudio`: isn't that the drain ? |
| 00:26.07 | rhalff | abrotman: ps -aux | grep inet gives me nothing |
| 00:26.08 | dashs | abrotman: no, just a normal frame I think. |
| 00:26.12 | claudio` | abrotman: uhm? |
| 00:26.16 | abrotman | rhalff: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start |
| 00:26.45 | rhalff | abrotman: ah I'm blind, I search for /etc/init.d/inetd .. :) |
| 00:27.09 | syamajala | i installed the also utils, modprobbed the ac97 module and snd_pcm and then unmuted the master, but i still can't hear anything |
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| 00:27.17 | abrotman | dashs: epiphany work ? |
| 00:27.29 | drc | syamajala: alsamixer? |
| 00:27.32 | claudio` | Does anyone know how can i get that information? |
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| 00:27.34 | dashs | abrotman: lemme check |
| 00:27.51 | GuHHH | i have apache2 chrooted and i want to make it run phpldapadmin, what do i need to do besides move phpldapadmin to inside the chroot? |
| 00:27.53 | syamajala | drc: pcm and master are both unmuted |
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| 00:28.31 | abrotman | claudio`: mine is plugged in |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | present rate: 3993 mW |
| 00:28.56 | claudio` | abrotman: i'm enjoy for you.. but i have different results. |
| 00:29.09 | abrotman | claudio`: it could be your machine .. not all acpi is implemented equally |
| 00:29.22 | claudio` | abrotman: sure, this is why i'm asking about an alternative method |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | i'm honestly not sure there is one .. but there is an acpi mailing list |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | http://acpi.sourceforge.net/mailinglists.html |
| 00:30.18 | drc | /sbin/lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 00:30.25 | drc | syamajala |
| 00:30.47 | syamajala | intel ac'97 |
| 00:30.49 | claudio` | uff |
| 00:30.50 | dashs | abrotman: epiphany works fine |
| 00:30.56 | claudio` | this is not a good notice |
| 00:30.58 | claudio` | abrotman: THX |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | dashs: try moving your FF/IW profile out of the way and make a new one |
| 00:31.10 | abrotman | claudio`: i didn't really help .. sorry |
| 00:31.20 | claudio` | abrotman: you tried ;) |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | claudio`: i mean .. mine shows a number while plugged in ... |
| 00:32.06 | dashs | abrotman: going there |
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| 00:33.09 | drc | syamajala: try googling for some information |
| 00:33.23 | drc | syamajala: like a guide how to set it up |
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| 00:33.56 | syamajala | drc: speaker-test seems to fail |
| 00:33.58 | radius | heh nice quit message |
| 00:34.14 | thomasl | hilarious |
| 00:35.06 | syamajala | oh i guess alsaconf unloaded all the modules |
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| 00:35.57 | drc | syamajala: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Quick_Install |
| 00:35.59 | drc | well ok |
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| 00:36.12 | kgoetz | lol @ quit |
| 00:36.36 | Jocke | Is it always the latest stable version of GNOME in a stable release of Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 00:37.03 | kgoetz | Jocke: no |
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| 00:37.07 | drc | probably not at all times Jocke |
| 00:37.10 | dashs | abrotman: ok with fresh profile. But, of course, I must keep my current profile -- who know how much I'd need to update? |
| 00:37.13 | Jocke | okay |
| 00:37.14 | karmatronic | Jocke: you wish :) |
| 00:37.22 | Jocke | :-) |
| 00:37.22 | haggz | jocke: no, debian locks in the version at the time the release becomes stable, they may port bugfixes as needed but the official release will advance ahead of the debian version |
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| 00:38.23 | haggz | jocke: iirc debian etch has gnome 2.14 with tons of backported stuff, and i know official gnome is 2.20, that's what is in Sid currently |
| 00:38.58 | Jocke | okay |
| 00:39.05 | Jocke | thanks for the info |
| 00:39.22 | kgoetz | haggz: is correct - 2.14.3 |
| 00:39.25 | kgoetz | well remembered :) |
| 00:40.28 | dashs | abrotman: I can diff prefs, etc and incrementally figure it iout, ugghg |
| 00:40.48 | dto | how do i get a bash script to echo all of the commands as well as their outputs? |
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| 00:41.23 | abrotman | dashs: that's certainly one way :) |
| 00:41.27 | abrotman | dto: set -x |
| 00:41.31 | kgoetz | dto: set -x? |
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| 00:42.03 | Jocke | It would be cool if Debian did like Ubuntu with Gobuntu. |
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| 00:42.52 | Gixug | Jocke: Gobian? |
| 00:42.52 | Gixug | ;) |
| 00:42.52 | adrien-modulis | Hi everyone |
| 00:42.52 | Jocke | haha |
| 00:42.52 | Jocke | that sounded fun |
| 00:42.52 | Jocke | hi adrien-modulis |
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| 00:44.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:44.29 | haggz | jocke: do you know the vrms package? it inspects your system for any non-free packages, so if you want to keep your free software karma clean, it's a good tool |
| 00:44.41 | Jocke | aha cool |
| 00:44.45 | Jocke | must test |
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| 00:45.52 | slocate | hey, anybody on BitchX? |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | hopefully not |
| 00:47.14 | adrien-modulis | I'm asking a question here but I'm not sure if it's a debian or kernel issue... I have a server that pxeboot its root over nfs (debootstrap). I have two sata HD on this server (hd are setup as software raid1) and I'm not able to mount the partition to display the content (mdadm, mkfs, mount doesn't work) but fdisk works and display the correct partition scheme. The error message I get is drive / ressource busy. But I can't find an |
| 00:47.43 | adrien-modulis | sorry for the long and annoying message but I couldn't make it shorter -) |
| 00:47.45 | wols | what does "mount" say? |
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| 00:48.31 | adrien-modulis | wols: mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 00:48.49 | wols | I asked what does "mount" say? |
| 00:49.07 | adrien-modulis | /dev/nfs on / type nfs (rw) |
| 00:49.07 | adrien-modulis | tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) |
| 00:49.07 | adrien-modulis | proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 00:49.07 | adrien-modulis | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 00:49.07 | adrien-modulis | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
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| 00:49.17 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 00:52.12 | adrien-modulis | I've been kicked |
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| 00:52.37 | wols | we know |
| 00:52.48 | adrien-modulis | not used to irc, sorry for that |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:52.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 00:53.16 | adrien-modulis | ok thanks |
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| 00:53.58 | adrien-modulis | wols: my mount output-> http://rafb.net/p/iTG20x93.html |
| 00:55.02 | wols | adrien-modulis: and what is /mnt (ls -l /mnt) |
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| 00:55.27 | adrien-modulis | ls -l /mnt -> total 0 |
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| 00:57.14 | DrNach | !dpkg nvidia |
| 00:57.23 | wols | wonder about the many "none on /tmp type tmpfs (rw)" in your mount output |
| 00:57.27 | wols | !tell DrNach about nvidia |
| 00:57.38 | DrNach | hmm, not the info I want |
| 00:57.43 | abrotman | then ask us |
| 00:57.53 | DrNach | I'm wondering if the commands to setup nvidia-glx changed |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | !tell DrNach about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:58.06 | DrNach | since an apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove it |
| 00:58.13 | wols | they didn't change |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | dist-upgrade to *what* ? |
| 00:58.51 | DrNach | just dist-upgrade |
| 00:58.54 | haggz | adrien-modulis: i'm not certain i've understood your setup, but is the volume you are failing to mount already mounted elsewhere at the time of failure? |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | DrNach: TO WHAT? |
| 00:59.02 | DrNach | !dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 00:59.06 | DrNach | abrotman: latest |
| 00:59.10 | abrotman | LATEST WHAT? |
| 00:59.14 | abrotman | jesus .. stop being difficult |
| 00:59.17 | DrNach | !tell DrNach about nvidia_post_etch |
| 00:59.20 | wols | DrNach: etch is latest. which mean that factoid won't work |
| 00:59.29 | wols | !tell DrNach about selftell |
| 00:59.32 | abrotman | bah .. let him fuck up his machine .. what do i care |
| 00:59.34 | adrien-modulis | wols: I can try to replace "none" with "devshm" on my fstab |
| 00:59.41 | DrNach | abrotman: are you asking me if I use i386 or etch or what? |
| 00:59.49 | wols | adrien-modulis: why are those mentioned in fstab in the first place? |
| 00:59.51 | abrotman | DrNach: what are you dist-upgrading to .. you should know this |
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| 01:00.14 | abrotman | there arne't nvidia drivers in lenny/testing currently |
| 01:00.17 | DrNach | abrotman: your question seems to be missing some type of subject |
| 01:00.21 | adrien-modulis | haggz: the volume was on production on a regular debian install - but I wanted to wiped out and start over |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | DrNach: no . it's not |
| 01:00.31 | DrNach | I apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade every few weeks |
| 01:00.42 | adrien-modulis | haggz: now the volumes are not mounted anywhere (I think so) |
| 01:00.45 | wols | DrNach: and you upgrade to WHAT? |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | DrNach: which version of debian are you running? |
| 01:01.00 | wols | adrien-modulis: can you pastebin your fstab? |
| 01:01.15 | DrNach | abrotman: x86_64 sid |
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| 01:01.41 | adrien-modulis | fstab -> http://rafb.net/p/cRuq4K53.html |
| 01:01.46 | haggz | adrien-modulis: ok, just making sure the nfs volume wasn't being shared with another system already |
| 01:02.18 | themill | DrNach: if you're running sid, that's the first thing you need to tell people in here. Sid is an entirely different story to etch, which is what most sane people run... |
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| 01:02.43 | themill | DrNach: oh, and don't expect too much help with sid. If you're running it, you should be able to fix it yourself. |
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| 01:03.38 | wols | adrien-modulis: I think one of your many tmpfs mounts is to blame. can you create and delete files easily on each? |
| 01:03.45 | DrNach | themill: I didn't say I was running etch, and I'm just wondering if something has changed, since I'm told with that one liner which I was using for a while that module assistant is depreciated |
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| 01:04.18 | themill | DrNach: But you *didn't* say you were running sid either, and that's the important thing. |
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| 01:05.39 | DrNach | themill: no one asked |
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| 01:06.17 | themill | DrNach: that's why I told you that you should volunteer that information.... we shouldn't need to ask. It is generally assumed that people on #debian are *not* running sid. |
| 01:06.32 | adrien-modulis | I've left only the / in the fstab rebooted and my server is not pingable; let me try again (I have no physical access, no kvm but an apc) |
| 01:06.33 | abrotman | yeah .. i didn't ask "dist-upgrade to what?" a few times |
| 01:06.37 | DrNach | I don't see why anyone should assume anything |
| 01:06.44 | DrNach | abrotman: that question makes no sense |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | it does |
| 01:06.53 | DrNach | you don't tell dist-upgrade to upgrade to anything |
| 01:06.56 | themill | DrNach: read the channel guidelines then. And abrotman's question makes perfect sense. |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | oh ffs ... |
| 01:07.07 | abrotman | if you don't know what i mean .. you shouldn't be running sid |
| 01:07.10 | wols | DrNach: ignore him, best for your sanity |
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| 01:07.27 | wols | what little that's left |
| 01:07.28 | themill | abrotman: the syntax starts with /ignore ... ;) |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 01:07.55 | wcs | adrien-modulis: is you removed everything put root, juding from the output of your mount command, it's not going to come backup |
| 01:07.57 | Gixug | DrNach: When you're asking for help, you should give the groundwork information up front. People shouldn't *have* to assume. |
| 01:08.11 | DrNach | Gixug: people should never assume |
| 01:08.21 | Gixug | DrNach: You're missing what I just said. |
| 01:08.25 | dwu | "Hi, I'm on a PC. Help please." Wouldn't you -say- what OS you were using and what version? |
| 01:08.36 | streuner | heh |
| 01:08.46 | themill | DrNach: you're question was the debian version of "where's the any key". |
| 01:08.50 | Gixug | "Hi. I'm on a PC running Windows Me!" |
| 01:08.59 | dwu | Gixug: die, yeah. |
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| 01:09.05 | Gixug | hehe |
| 01:09.06 | DrNach | actually, IIRC, I joined to talk to dpkg |
| 01:09.10 | streuner | Gixug: dude, ask a debian question or leave |
| 01:09.10 | [M4rk0] | hello |
| 01:09.11 | dwu | Gixug: In a loving manner. |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | DrNach: try /msg dpkg foo |
| 01:09.20 | wols | DrNach: and you can't even do that properly |
| 01:09.30 | streuner | Gixug: are you a bot? |
| 01:09.31 | DrNach | wols: yeah, I keep forgetting how it works |
| 01:09.38 | Gixug | streuner: Last time I checked....no? |
| 01:09.38 | abrotman | DrNach: you can also join #debian-bots to talk to him there |
| 01:09.52 | schemelab | i'm catching hell removing this symlink : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Oct 30 20:31 hg.metaperl.com -> /home/schemelab/dom\ |
| 01:09.52 | schemelab | ains/com/metaperl/hg |
| 01:10.03 | schemelab | I didnt mean for that to wrap like that |
| 01:10.05 | themill | DrNach: then you may as well learn to do it properly... or read the channel guidelines... or anything vaguely sensible.... |
| 01:10.19 | [M4rk0] | I just installed KDE (apt-get install kde) and stuff, how to set KDE as default not GNOME, and how to setup default resolution 1024x648, Thank You! |
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| 01:10.25 | schemelab | when I try to remove this symlink - hg.metaperl.com -> /home/schemelab/domains/com/metaperl/hg ... I am told rm cannot remove not a directory |
| 01:10.35 | Gixug | I was actually joking about the WinME thing. I'm running sid. |
| 01:10.45 | Gixug | Just...in case anybody thought I was serious. |
| 01:10.51 | adrien-modulis | weird thing is that my recovery debootstrap are working well with other servers and I can mount the disk (scsi) |
| 01:10.51 | wols | schemelab: are you root? |
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| 01:10.56 | schemelab | yes |
| 01:11.00 | DrNach | schemelab: try unlink instead of rm? |
| 01:11.14 | themill | night all! |
| 01:11.14 | schemelab | unlink: cannot unlink `hg.metaperl.com/': Not a directory |
| 01:11.30 | dwu | Gixug: Why d'you think I was so mild about the death threat? ;) |
| 01:11.52 | wcs | schemelab: remove the trailing slash |
| 01:12.03 | Gixug | dwu: Because there's no way that there's a working installation of WinME still in existence? |
| 01:12.10 | schemelab | wcs: great it works. thanks |
| 01:12.19 | haggz | m4rk0: assuming GDM is your x display manager, at login you should be able to choose "change session" to KDE and then choose to make it your default session - to change resolution #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg lets you setup the display for your hardware |
| 01:12.22 | dwu | Gixug: Well, there might be, I wouldn't know. *shrug* :) |
| 01:12.22 | wcs | adrien-modulis: yeah, well you made it not mount /dev, /sys, /proc etc |
| 01:12.28 | wcs | adrien-modulis: those are rather important... |
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| 01:17.24 | [M4rk0] | haggz thank you |
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| 01:18.36 | adrien-moduli2 | I'm back no internet |
| 01:18.56 | adrien-moduli2 | I've fixed the fstab, but I still have the same issues http://rafb.net/p/c3QSXD43.html |
| 01:19.09 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: what was the orginal issue |
| 01:19.37 | adrien-moduli2 | not able to mount my sda |
| 01:19.57 | adrien-moduli2 | mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 01:20.06 | haggz | m4rk0: need any more info? the command I gave is for the debian utility to configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it's a pretty good tool but you need to know a bit about your hardware to get through all the menus |
| 01:20.08 | adrien-moduli2 | but it's not mounted anywhere |
| 01:20.08 | wcs | adrien-moduli2 is it a scsi drive or what? |
| 01:20.13 | adrien-moduli2 | sata |
| 01:20.16 | wcs | ok |
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| 01:20.57 | wcs | and you're / is nfs mounted it appears |
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| 01:21.48 | wcs | adrien-moduli2 what was the output of you running "monut" |
| 01:22.03 | Wyzard | wcs: Is that like a donut? :-P |
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| 01:22.10 | spq | how can i print all quota limits for all users on one partition? (it uses xfs) |
| 01:22.28 | wcs | Wyzard: yeah, something like that, I suck at typing. Sorta funny considering how long I've been a sysadmin for |
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| 01:22.45 | wcs | Wyzard: well I guess really its more like I suck at spelling but w/e |
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| 01:23.22 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: any how, I'm not entirely sure if you can mount something under a mount point that's an nfs export |
| 01:23.31 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: I've never tried it but it seems fishy |
| 01:23.34 | adrien-moduli2 | my mount http://rafb.net/p/c3QSXD43.html |
| 01:23.45 | adrien-moduli2 | I've tried on another server with scsi disked |
| 01:23.50 | adrien-moduli2 | *disk |
| 01:23.52 | adrien-moduli2 | it works fine |
| 01:23.54 | Wyzard | I don't see why not... if he can mount /proc or whatever, he should be able to mount other things too |
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| 01:24.16 | wcs | Wyzard: not the same, those filesystems are handled differently. |
| 01:24.32 | wcs | Wyzard: I agree that it _should_ work |
| 01:24.46 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: when you run mount what command are you using |
| 01:24.50 | Wyzard | Sure, but if the kernel can create a mountpoint on an inode belonging to an NFS filesystem, it can create a mountpoint |
| 01:24.52 | adrien-moduli2 | mount |
| 01:24.56 | adrien-moduli2 | no args |
| 01:25.01 | Wyzard | It's not like mounting requires collaboration between the two filesystem drivers |
| 01:25.01 | mne | hi, apache2 supports both <Limit> and <LimitExcept>. is there a way to limit _everything_ (thus deny all access) ? i would like to include it in my subversion config where the default for all private repositories is to deny everything. Hence all repositories inside that directory will have to explicitly allow |
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| 01:25.12 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: I mean when you try and mount the hdd |
| 01:25.17 | mne | e.g. is there a <Limit all> ? |
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| 01:26.13 | Gixug | mne: You should probably try /join #apache |
| 01:26.23 | adrien-moduli2 | mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/disk |
| 01:26.33 | mne | Gixug, i hope there's someone listening :) |
| 01:27.08 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: cool, is device-mapper running? |
| 01:27.28 | ColdFyre | anyone had an issue with vlc/xine/tvtime suddenly having pink scrambled video...but mplayer still works? |
| 01:28.11 | ColdFyre | came out of nowhere |
| 01:28.24 | bzed | mne: you want to look for access rules |
| 01:28.25 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: what does lsmod show you |
| 01:28.54 | adrien-moduli2 | wcs: no it's not running |
| 01:29.14 | adrien-moduli2 | http://rafb.net/p/i8dY0W84.html |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | ColdFyre: you didn't update any packages ? |
| 01:29.20 | ColdFyre | abrotman: no |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | ColdFyre: 100% sure? |
| 01:29.28 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: dm_snapshot 15552 0 dm_mirror 19152 2 |
| 01:29.32 | ColdFyre | it comes randomly and i have to kill x for it to go away |
| 01:29.32 | adrien-moduli2 | wcs: my sda1 and sda2 are software raid1 |
| 01:29.33 | wcs | that's device mapper |
| 01:29.37 | adrien-moduli2 | oups |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | ColdFyre: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 01:29.54 | bzed | mne: Order deny,allow |
| 01:29.55 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.08 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: so you are using lvm and swf raid? |
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| 01:30.20 | adrien-moduli2 | not lvm |
| 01:30.23 | adrien-moduli2 | swf raid 1 |
| 01:30.38 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: then you should be mounting the RAID device, /dev/md0 or whatever, not /dev/sda1 (a component device) directly |
| 01:30.47 | ColdFyre | it's not a package issue. if i kill X right now the problem will go away and then come back randomly after using vlc |
| 01:31.11 | adrien-moduli2 | dev/sda3 is ext3 not swf raid |
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| 01:31.23 | ColdFyre | nothing has changed since the last reboot either |
| 01:31.24 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: rmmod thoes dm modules |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | ColdFyre: hardware issue? |
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| 01:31.41 | adrien-moduli2 | mdadm -C /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 |
| 01:31.43 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: You said you were trying to mount sda1, though |
| 01:31.54 | Wyzard | not sda3 |
| 01:31.59 | ColdFyre | if it was HW, how could it ONLY be the video playback itself |
| 01:32.00 | adrien-moduli2 | returns: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda2: Device or resource busy mdadm: create aborted |
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| 01:32.18 | wcs | why are you trying to software raid shit on the same disk |
| 01:32.23 | adrien-moduli2 | Wyzard: themL mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt/disk/ busy |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | ColdFyre: players might use a function other bits don't ? |
| 01:32.37 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: What does "fuser /dev/sda1" say? |
| 01:32.49 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: and wcs is right, RAID between two partitions on the same disk is absolutely pointless |
| 01:32.53 | ColdFyre | then to further it...using mplayer works? |
| 01:33.06 | adrien-moduli2 | oups |
| 01:33.08 | adrien-moduli2 | my bad |
| 01:33.13 | adrien-moduli2 | command should be |
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| 01:33.17 | adrien-moduli2 | mdadm -C /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:33.23 | adrien-moduli2 | output is the same |
| 01:33.24 | wcs | ok, that's a little better |
| 01:33.25 | wcs | :) |
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| 01:33.33 | wcs | any how, have you rmmoded the device mapper modules |
| 01:33.41 | adrien-moduli2 | I'm on it |
| 01:33.43 | ColdFyre | hrm |
| 01:33.54 | ColdFyre | prolly faster to restart X than to try to fix |
| 01:34.14 | wcs | just a little ctrl-alt-backspace action ColdFyre to speed things up |
| 01:34.22 | adrien-moduli2 | Wyzard: fuser /dev/sda1 doesn't return anything |
| 01:34.26 | Asmooh | i wonder; is there a way to remove the defaulktgnome panel ? |
| 01:34.36 | abrotman | right click and remove |
| 01:34.44 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2, wcs: I'd run "dmsetup ls" and "dmsetup info" first, before rmmoding' device-mapper, just to see if it's actually using the partitions, and if so, why |
| 01:34.46 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: you could select "remove panel" from the content menu... |
| 01:34.51 | Asmooh | nope |
| 01:34.52 | ColdFyre | i wish i could reload the kernel module w/o restarting x |
| 01:34.58 | Asmooh | delete panel is disabled |
| 01:35.01 | wcs | Wyzard: from is mount command nothing is mounted that's using LVM |
| 01:35.06 | wcs | Wyzard: so meh |
| 01:35.07 | wcs | :) |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | Asmooh: yes .. it's there |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | Asmooh: or it's not really a panel |
| 01:35.32 | Wyzard | wcs: yeah, but it could be something else that uses device-mapper, like dmraid |
| 01:35.39 | Asmooh | its the default gnome thing at the top of your screen |
| 01:35.42 | adrien-moduli2 | rmmod dmsetup ls -> ERROR: Module dmsetup does not exist in /proc/module |
| 01:35.45 | Asmooh | i want to remove the complete bar |
| 01:35.50 | adrien-moduli2 | that's weird |
| 01:35.52 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: "dmsetup ls" is a command, not a module |
| 01:35.54 | abrotman | right click and remove |
| 01:36.01 | adrien-moduli2 | sorry |
| 01:36.04 | Asmooh | cant ;/ |
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| 01:36.48 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: modprobe -r dm_mod |
| 01:37.07 | adrien-moduli2 | http://rafb.net/p/J1yAZc15.html |
| 01:37.15 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: make another one somewhere else and then remove it? |
| 01:37.25 | adrien-moduli2 | in use |
| 01:37.26 | stiv2k | how can i get OpenOffice.org to load with gtk instead of qt/KDE frontend? |
| 01:37.30 | wcs | That's what I figured |
| 01:37.33 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: That looks like dmraid |
| 01:37.52 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: Wyzard device-mapper caught all those drives |
| 01:37.54 | tdrusk | How can I get my gstreamer packages installed? |
| 01:37.57 | Asmooh | hm im gonna try that |
| 01:37.59 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: is there any data on the sata drive? |
| 01:38.06 | adrien-moduli2 | nope |
| 01:38.16 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: There's probably a dmraid signature left over on your disks, so it's automatically starting that array |
| 01:38.17 | adrien-moduli2 | just a clean debian install |
| 01:38.36 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: To stop device-mapper from doing that, you'll need to wipe the dmraid signature from your disks |
| 01:38.37 | adrien-moduli2 | no sure it's *clean |
| 01:38.38 | Diafic | bed now. |
| 01:38.48 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: vi /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep |
| 01:38.58 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: remove all the dm* lines |
| 01:39.02 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: reboot |
| 01:39.03 | Wyzard | wcs: eww |
| 01:39.09 | Wyzard | Don't nuke the entire device-mapper |
| 01:39.18 | wcs | Wyzard: no point in keeping it |
| 01:39.31 | Wyzard | Sure there is... it's not like its only use is dmraid |
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| 01:39.53 | wcs | Wyzard: what's it doing for him right now? |
| 01:40.00 | Wyzard | Fix the problem: remove the "hardware RAID" signatures from the disks, which dmraid is picking up |
| 01:40.02 | wcs | Wyzard: the answer as best I can tell is notthing |
| 01:40.10 | Wyzard | Don't intentionally misconfigure the system to hide the symptoms |
| 01:40.23 | wcs | Wyzard: removing uneeded modules isn't "misconfiguing" |
| 01:40.48 | adrien-moduli2 | remove the "hardware RAID" signatures from the disks, which dmraid is picking up: how do I do that ? |
| 01:41.08 | Wyzard | wcs: Removing them from modules.dep, they'll come back next time something runs depmod |
| 01:41.29 | wcs | Wyzard: that was just for trouble shooting purposes |
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| 01:41.38 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: The signature was put there by a "hardware RAID controller" on a motherboard, possibly your own motherboard or possibly some previous motherboard that the disks were connected to |
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| 01:42.01 | adrien-moduli2 | I have a stupid fake raid on the motherboard |
| 01:42.04 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: The most straightforward fix would be to go into the motherboard's RAID controller's BIOS and delete the array |
| 01:42.09 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: Wyzard how was the drive formatted? |
| 01:42.11 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: yeah, that's what this is, the fakeraid |
| 01:42.31 | adrien-moduli2 | i've created the array with the hw raid |
| 01:42.36 | adrien-moduli2 | then I figured out it's fake |
| 01:42.45 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: dmraid is the Linux support for those fakeraid controllers -- it's detecting that there's an array configured (from data stored on the disks) and configuring it automatically |
| 01:42.57 | adrien-moduli2 | then I desactived hw raid and used swf raid |
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| 01:43.01 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: That's why your partitions are in use, because they're part of the fakeraid array that was started automatically |
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| 01:43.08 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: Wyzard what are the device names? for dmraid? |
| 01:43.11 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: You need to go back to that BIOS thing and actually remove the array |
| 01:43.12 | adrien-moduli2 | that stupid motherboard |
| 01:43.19 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: you could probally just use them instead |
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| 01:43.22 | adrien-moduli2 | I don't have acces to the server |
| 01:43.32 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: well, time to get in the car :) |
| 01:43.37 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: Alternatively, you could just wipe the disks, but that takes longer |
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| 01:43.51 | adrien-moduli2 | can I just remove the dmraid modules |
| 01:43.58 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: Wyzard: would just fdisking them fix it |
| 01:44.06 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: (need to wipe the whole disk because we don't know where the RAID signature is located on it -- maybe the beginning, maybe the end) |
| 01:44.07 | Wyzard | no |
| 01:44.10 | wcs | adrien-moduli2: Wyzard remove all the partion tables, repartion |
| 01:44.22 | chump | hi, i want to set up a vnc at home to log remotly.. i want to tunnel it trough ssh and i wonder if i need to open the vnc port on my router can anybody help ? |
| 01:44.22 | adrien-moduli2 | I've done that already |
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| 01:44.32 | ColdFyre | abrotman: just an fyi using x11 gl as the output module seems to work fine |
| 01:44.45 | Wyzard | The RAID signature isn't part of the partition table |
| 01:45.04 | wcs | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
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| 01:45.15 | Wyzard | There might be a Linux tool to configure dmraid arrays, which you could use in lieu of the motherboard's BIOS thing |
| 01:45.31 | Wyzard | Otherwise, either use the BIOS tool or wipe the whole disk (using dd as wcs just suggested) |
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| 01:45.53 | pleed | Can someone give me a hint what program to use for traffic statistics? |
| 01:45.59 | adrien-moduli2 | apt-get remove dmraid won't do it ? :-) |
| 01:46.02 | abrotman | ColdFyre: so it is hardware? |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | but 2d? |
| 01:46.10 | wcs | pleed: mrtg, cricket, bwm |
| 01:46.27 | pleed | wcs: thanks |
| 01:46.28 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: It'll do it temporarily, but the next time you reboot, the array will be detected again and started automatically |
| 01:46.44 | wcs | Wyzard: adrien-moduli2 yeah, I've never played with these style raids before |
| 01:47.01 | adrien-moduli2 | well from what I've read |
| 01:47.12 | adrien-moduli2 | the only use is when you have dual windows / linux boot |
| 01:47.15 | Wyzard | wcs: I don't have much experience with them either, but I ran into a similar problem with a disk I bought from a friend, that had a leftover signature on it |
| 01:47.16 | wcs | Wyzard: adrien-moduli2 everything I touch is either 3par/EMC san or good hardware raid on scsi320's |
| 01:47.26 | Wyzard | wcs: Wiping the disk with dd fixed it |
| 01:47.37 | adrien-moduli2 | apprently it's far to work as well swf raid |
| 01:47.37 | wcs | Wyzard: that's probally the easiest solution |
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| 01:48.02 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: Linux software RAID is preferable over fakeraid unless you need Windows to access the array too |
| 01:48.03 | bzed | wcs: eww. EMC. |
| 01:48.10 | wcs | Wyzard: fire up the dd go get some scotch / tequlia / drink of choice |
| 01:48.17 | fujin_ | emc > * |
| 01:48.19 | adrien-moduli2 | I'm gonna try to remove the dmraid modules then dd |
| 01:48.23 | fujin_ | You can't go past EMC sans. |
| 01:48.26 | wcs | +1 |
| 01:48.32 | wcs | 3par is pretty nice too |
| 01:48.35 | fujin_ | well, Dell :) |
| 01:48.39 | wcs | some of the snap clone and near line storage |
| 01:48.40 | wcs | :) |
| 01:48.46 | bzed | emc are those things which die every other day |
| 01:48.58 | fujin_ | lol? |
| 01:48.58 | wcs | bzed: maybe if your storage engineers suck |
| 01:49.09 | fujin_ | "what does this button do?" |
| 01:49.21 | wcs | bzed: I'm pretty sure I've got more EMC storage that most people on here, and it's rock solid |
| 01:49.23 | wols | got a question: who makes EMC disks? |
| 01:49.25 | wcs | Netapp on the other hand |
| 01:49.30 | bzed | wcs: ho. hardware failure, and fujitsu siemens didn;t want to replace the whole thing until our lawyers had a talk with them |
| 01:49.31 | wcs | wols: depends |
| 01:49.49 | bzed | wols: seagate for FC, and we have.. uhm.. I think hitachi SATA drives |
| 01:49.56 | fujin_ | we've got seagate FC disks here |
| 01:50.02 | fujin_ | a row of 15k and a row of 10k |
| 01:50.07 | fujin_ | all 750gb iirc |
| 01:50.10 | wcs | bzed: wols yep, and some fujistu |
| 01:50.10 | wols | cause usually disks from storage vendors are more expensive than the ones directly from the actual manufacturer, right? |
| 01:50.14 | fujin_ | (in our emc/dell) |
| 01:50.28 | wols | so what makes a EMC drive "special" for example? |
| 01:50.30 | wcs | wols: a little mostly becaues of the trays I imagine |
| 01:50.36 | fujin_ | The trays. |
| 01:50.50 | fujin_ | IF you buy a 15k 750g seagate from seagate, you still have to buy the tray seperately |
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| 01:50.55 | bzed | wols: right. but the disk from the original vendor won;t run in the EMC, you need the golden, damn expensive emc labelled one |
| 01:51.06 | fujin_ | and buy the time you're spending upwards of 100k~ on a san, a few thou for some disks is piss all |
| 01:51.14 | wcs | bzed: yep |
| 01:51.18 | fujin_ | engineers don't care about money anyway, right ;) |
| 01:51.18 | wols | bzed: emc was just an example. I'm sure the others aren't better |
| 01:51.26 | wcs | exactly |
| 01:51.28 | bzed | fujin_: they also have a different firmware and format, if I remember right they use 521 sectors or something like that |
| 01:51.32 | wcs | with the ammount we spend with EMC |
| 01:51.35 | wcs | we've got a contract |
| 01:51.37 | fujin_ | yeah, they come pre-aligned |
| 01:51.39 | wcs | something breaks they come fix it |
| 01:51.43 | wcs | that includes disk failures |
| 01:51.45 | bzed | wols: we have some old HP boxes which just take everything |
| 01:51.47 | adrien-moduli2 | "apt-get remove dmraid" killed my server |
| 01:51.49 | wcs | we normally handle those ourself |
| 01:51.59 | adrien-moduli2 | I'm on for dd > |
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| 01:52.46 | bzed | wcs: we now have an contract with emc, too, instead of the crap fujitsu siemens service. but siemens pays for the contract :D |
| 01:52.56 | wcs | bzed: nice. |
| 01:53.05 | wcs | bzed: you guys should look into 3par |
| 01:53.12 | wcs | bzed: we've been real happy with them |
| 01:53.16 | bzed | wcs: not really available in germany |
| 01:53.21 | bzed | at least not afaik |
| 01:53.24 | wcs | bzed: well that changes things |
| 01:53.25 | wcs | :) |
| 01:53.46 | wcs | bzed: do you guys use the snaps on the emc device? |
| 01:53.56 | wcs | bzed: and do you have the nfs module for it? |
| 01:54.13 | wcs | we went to 3par because the snaps work better, block level backups for the win |
| 01:54.32 | wcs | but I've been curious about emc nfs module |
| 01:54.40 | wcs | because netapp sucks sometimes |
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| 01:55.10 | wcs | we lost quiet a few drive loops lately |
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| 01:55.20 | abrotman | tapes! |
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| 01:55.32 | wcs | abrotman: tapes suck |
| 01:55.44 | fujin_ | what the hell does fujitsu siemens have to do with EMC? |
| 01:56.12 | abrotman | wcs: i was talking about your "drive loops" :) |
| 01:56.24 | mdwith | hello world |
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| 01:56.47 | wcs | my current headache revolves around # mt -f /dev/nst0 status SCSI 2 tape drive: File number=-1, block number=-1, partition=0. Tape block size 0 bytes. Density code 0x42 (no translation). Soft error count since last status=0 General status bits on (1010000): |
| 01:57.04 | wcs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.24 | wcs | stupid sun stortek c2 |
| 01:57.38 | rmaj | on debian lenny server apache keeps segfaulting.. is it a known problem? |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | GO SOX! |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | rmaj: bugs.debian.org |
| 01:57.59 | mdwith | ok so i want to install a partioin w/ the minimal net install on it. im only going to use it to run grub. i have 190mb or ram, do i need to have swap partition for it? |
| 01:58.12 | wcs | mdwith: yes |
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| 01:58.28 | wcs | mdwith: actually no |
| 01:58.37 | bzed | wcs: no, we're cheap (aka university) and don;t have the snapshot stuff. we backup to older HP hardware |
| 01:58.50 | wols | mdwith: depends what you intend to run |
| 01:58.52 | gribouille | hi |
| 01:59.03 | bzed | wcs: disk-to-disk backup every 4 hours or so, and to tape once a day |
| 01:59.06 | gribouille | are files in /tmp/ automatically removed ? |
| 01:59.16 | wols | gribouille: on every bootup |
| 01:59.17 | adrien-moduli2 | gribouille |
| 01:59.20 | wcs | bzed: got ya. snaps are fun but not really needed in your enviroment, makes geo-dr easy though |
| 01:59.34 | adrien-moduli2 | you can disable that by edditing /etc/fstab |
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| 01:59.54 | mdwith | well im new to linux, i want to set up three different OS's, one debian, one slackware, and one windows. i read online it is nice and safe to have another partition controlling grub and all the booting procedures |
| 01:59.55 | gribouille | wols, not while the system is running ? |
| 02:00.02 | pleed | wcs: is there also a picture for traffic went in/out of my pc for some time. there are only b/s statistics |
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| 02:00.11 | bzed | gribouille: no |
| 02:00.20 | tct | !shebang |
| 02:00.21 | dpkg | shebang is, like, examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w", or examples are "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w" |
| 02:00.22 | bzed | ok. n8n8 :) |
| 02:00.27 | solanaceo | Hi everybody. Please.. can somebody tell me what do i need in etch for having media automount (using gnome) ... |
| 02:00.27 | wcs | pleed: what? |
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| 02:00.49 | wols | !automount |
| 02:00.49 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman> or <autofs>. |
| 02:00.50 | gribouille | but if a sytem is running for a very long time, /tmp/ can be completely filled |
| 02:01.00 | pleed | wcs: i m looking for a traffic counter which just says "4 GB traffic went through your pc since the beginning of the month" |
| 02:01.00 | wols | gribouille: yes |
| 02:01.08 | wcs | pleed: ah... |
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| 02:01.25 | solanaceo | thanks guys.. |
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| 02:01.46 | wcs | pleed: got ya honestly you can get most of that information off of the ifconfig statement |
| 02:01.51 | gribouille | wols, so, what's the use of /tmp/ ? |
| 02:01.56 | mdwith | newest debian release is 4? |
| 02:01.59 | wols | temporary files |
| 02:02.04 | wols | mdwith: yes |
| 02:02.29 | wcs | gribouille: /tmp is mostly used for temporatry files created by applications, sockets, locks etc |
| 02:02.57 | mdwith | is it ok to run linux on a logical/extended partition? |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:03.40 | pleed | wcs: not really, just looked into the man page |
| 02:04.17 | adrien-moduli2 | brb |
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| 02:04.41 | mdwith | would linux swap for them have to be logical as well or can it be pimary? |
| 02:04.44 | gribouille | wols, do you know where I can find some information about /tmp ? |
| 02:05.01 | wcs | pleed it will tell you what the amount of bytes sent recived are on that interface |
| 02:05.14 | wcs | pleed: note them say every day, tally |
| 02:05.31 | abrotman | mdwith: you can make swap a file .. doesn't have to be a partition |
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| 02:05.46 | wcs | pleed: http://humdi.net/vnstat/ |
| 02:05.53 | wcs | pleed: that's exactly what you want though |
| 02:06.05 | wcs | pleed: and it should just be an apt-get install vmstat away |
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| 02:07.47 | pleed | wcs: thanks a lot |
| 02:07.53 | wcs | pleed: np |
| 02:07.53 | mdwith | abrotman: hmm glad you told me that, but i still think ill make it a partition so the ohters can all share it |
| 02:08.17 | dondelelcaro | no_way: please turn whatever that is off |
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| 02:08.25 | Seb | anything noticeably broken with the most recent X packages in sid ? My synaptics touchpad doesn't respond anymore :\ |
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| 02:09.46 | mdwith | also i hear its bad to install linux before windows... |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | it's not bad .. it's just easier to do windows first |
| 02:10.14 | Wyzard | Seb: No problems with the touchpad in my ThinkPad, running current sid |
| 02:10.36 | dalias | its bad to install multiple os on same machine, especially on same physical hdd |
| 02:10.36 | mdwith | but its fixable if i do it the other way? |
| 02:10.37 | Seb | Wyzard: up-to-date ? And using Driver "synaptics" in xorg.conf ? |
| 02:10.40 | haggz | mdwith: as i understand it, the windows installer will happily kill your grub and force you to reinstall it, whereas installing your linuxes afterward saves you that trouble |
| 02:10.40 | abrotman | mdwith: yes |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | dalias: it is not |
| 02:11.00 | Wyzard | Seb: yes to both |
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| 02:11.12 | Seb | Wyzard: huh |
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| 02:12.12 | Seb | Wyzard: any idea for troubleshooting this ? |
| 02:12.19 | Wyzard | Seb: The only X issue I've noticed recently is that evdev stopped working when when I upgraded to Xorg 1.4, so I had to switch back to the plain "mouse" driver on my desktop where I'd been using evdev |
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| 02:12.44 | Wyzard | Seb: With no information besides "it doesn't work", not really |
| 02:12.54 | Seb | Wyzard: it just is completely still |
| 02:13.02 | Seb | Wyzard: no EE that i cna notice in xorg.log |
| 02:13.20 | Wyzard | Seb: Make sure it isn't disabled in the BIOS or something |
| 02:13.26 | Wyzard | Seb: Other than that, dunno |
| 02:13.30 | mjrosenb | hey, is anyone in here really familiar with sml/nj? |
| 02:13.41 | Seb | it wasn't last time i booted up, and I haven't touched the bios ever since |
| 02:13.51 | Seb | Wyzard: you using /dev/psaux for the device ? |
| 02:14.09 | Wyzard | Seb: yep |
| 02:14.19 | Wyzard | Seb: and Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" |
| 02:14.23 | Seb | Wyzard: protocol auto-dev ? |
| 02:14.35 | Seb | Wyzard: yeah I got AlwaysCore |
| 02:14.37 | Wyzard | Seb: That too, and no other options in effect besides these |
| 02:15.33 | Seb | how would I text /dev/psaux itself ? Does cat < /dev/psaux print stuff when you move the mouse ? |
| 02:15.59 | sayers | For my server any reccomendations on what Image gallery database type web-app I should use? |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | igal is easy . not tons of features |
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| 02:16.20 | dwu | igal rocks. |
| 02:16.29 | haggz | mdwith: have you familiarized yourself with grub's menu.lst? If you are multibooting several distros you will need to do some work with it manually |
| 02:16.30 | sayers | abrotman: Just needs to be SIMPLE and for ONE user, maybe two :p |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | igal would work |
| 02:16.44 | Seb | sayers: do you want a db-backend ? |
| 02:16.46 | Wyzard | Seb: No, it doesn't |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | !info igal etch |
| 02:17.06 | dpkg | igal: (online image gallery generator), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4-18 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 02:17.08 | Seb | Wyzard: hrm; how do Itest if this device is recognized at all ,then, to figure out if X is fucking up, or if something else is ? |
| 02:17.20 | sayers | Seb: I could probably care less for this. |
| 02:17.21 | Wyzard | Seb: Try another OS, Windows or a liveCD or something |
| 02:17.25 | dwu | sayers: Create two directories, put things in them, run igal -whatever options you want within the dir, HTML stuff done for you :) |
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| 02:17.46 | sayers | oh |
| 02:17.47 | sayers | hm |
| 02:17.52 | Seb | Wyzard: nah, I'm pretty sure I can at least decide whther it's X or not that's the cause of this problem, without using another distro |
| 02:17.54 | sayers | that might be a bit to simple ;) |
| 02:18.09 | dwu | sayers: Example at http://phated.com:6666/goodtimes/LRL2006/ ;) |
| 02:18.12 | Wyzard | Seb: Stop X and try gpm, then |
| 02:18.20 | Seb | good point |
| 02:18.27 | dwu | sayers: http://phated.com:6666/goodtimes/LRL2006/Day01/ is prolly a better example of igal output. |
| 02:18.39 | dwu | sayers: You can frob the captions, etc. |
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| 02:20.03 | black_13 | !pngtousplash |
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| 02:20.42 | Seb | Wyzard: works fine in gpm, so it's x-related |
| 02:20.49 | Seb | Wyzard: this is fucking pissing me off |
| 02:20.51 | Seb | pardon my french |
| 02:21.02 | zinx | what device? |
| 02:21.17 | Wyzard | Seb: Make sure the InputDevice for the touchpad is mentioned in your ServerLayout |
| 02:21.19 | gravity | Seb: Are you running X from sid? |
| 02:21.21 | zinx | ah, a synaptics touchpad |
| 02:21.51 | Seb | gravity: sure |
| 02:21.58 | zinx | copy/paste the inputdevice and relevant serverlayout portions from someone's config that has it :/ |
| 02:22.01 | Wyzard | gravity: I am too, though, and my touchpad works fine |
| 02:22.08 | Seb | yeah, a synaptics touchpad :> That was working fine before I upgraded to the latest xorg |
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| 02:22.15 | Ocean | hi.. |
| 02:22.17 | zinx | i believe "AlwaysCore" stopped functioning in sid |
| 02:22.20 | Seb | oh |
| 02:22.25 | Seb | did it now ? |
| 02:22.31 | zinx | so you need "SendsCoreEvents" or something funky |
| 02:22.35 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 02:22.37 | gravity | Seb: X server 1.4 broke all the input rules |
| 02:22.41 | zinx | ^^ |
| 02:22.42 | gravity | It's really very different |
| 02:22.42 | Seb | well lemme try SendCoreEvents true then |
| 02:22.46 | Wyzard | and that seems to be the only difference between Seb's config and mine |
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| 02:22.50 | Seb | k |
| 02:22.54 | Seb | will try |
| 02:22.57 | gravity | Yeah, that might do it |
| 02:23.17 | Wyzard | gravity: So is 1.5 going to have some sort of dynamic configuration scheme, rather than a static xorg.conf? :-) |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: i heard 1.5 was going to make eggs! |
| 02:23.56 | gravity | Wyzard: Yes |
| 02:23.59 | Seb | gravity, zinx, Wyzard: nice, it works now ! |
| 02:24.09 | Seb | gravity, zinx, Wyzard: thanks a lot y'all |
| 02:24.11 | gravity | Wyzard: 1.4 actually has this ability already |
| 02:24.29 | gravity | It needs fixes though |
| 02:24.34 | Wyzard | gravity: Well, I know 1.4 already supports hotplugging |
| 02:24.37 | haggz | the death of the xorg.conf file cannot come too soon, it is the pons asinorum of desktop free software |
| 02:24.55 | gravity | Wyzard: That's pretty much it. We need to fix up hal so it works correctly and a few other things |
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| 02:25.07 | Wyzard | gravity: but it doesn't go and update your xorg.conf for you, if you change your preferred screen resolution or install a different video card or whatever |
| 02:25.15 | gravity | Output autoconfig works in debian, although crappily. I'm working on a permanent solution right now actually |
| 02:25.21 | gravity | Wyzard: No, it doesn't yet. |
| 02:25.32 | gravity | Wyzard: And we won't. xorg.conf is essentially being deprecated except when needed |
| 02:25.44 | gravity | I won't break existing configs, but new configs will get shorter and shorter |
| 02:26.07 | gravity | Well, as best I can. When upstream breaks the config there's not so much I can do |
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| 02:26.30 | Seb | so, ctrl-alt-backspace stopped working too ? |
| 02:26.32 | Ocean | why when i make a telnet to my mail server and i wrote mail from:ivan@tux.uis.edu.co i get 451 Temporary local problem - please try later but if i put another mail i get 250 Accepted. |
| 02:26.34 | Ocean | somebody can help me with that? |
| 02:26.53 | \amethyst | Ocean: it's called greylisting |
| 02:27.10 | Wyzard | gravity: yeah, I've noticed that more and more stuff is autodetected or sensibly defaulted... I've removed all the FontPath lines, the HorizSync/VertRefresh lines, and all the Display SubSections from my xorg.conf |
| 02:27.16 | Ocean | \amethyst, mmm... where i can find information about that? |
| 02:27.27 | Ocean | \amethyst, where i can find if i'm on a greylisting.. |
| 02:27.33 | Wyzard | gravity: I like that X automatically detects and uses the LCD's native resolution if no modes are statically configured |
| 02:27.34 | gravity | Wyzard: Cool, that's where we're headed |
| 02:27.50 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, that's how things should work. Then you change things using randr at runtime if needed |
| 02:28.14 | black_13 | abrotman, how do i make a custom splash |
| 02:28.17 | Wyzard | gravity: yeah |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | black_13: wrong person to ask |
| 02:28.34 | Wyzard | gravity: It's just that the changes made at runtime with randr aren't persistent (afaik; admittedly I haven't tried it) |
| 02:28.46 | black_13 | abrotman, sorry i didnt mean to just ask you |
| 02:28.51 | black_13 | i hit the back button |
| 02:29.01 | gravity | Wyzard: True, although you can edit xorg.conf to have more permanent changes if the autodetection doesn't work |
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| 02:30.07 | Wyzard | gravity: I'd like to see xorg.conf replaced with something that can be updated automatically by xorg itself, rather than needing to be edited by a human |
| 02:30.12 | Ocean | how do i know if i'm on a greylisting... |
| 02:30.32 | Wyzard | gravity: (You mentioned a few months ago that the xorg developers were considering using GConf or something similar, though I have no idea whether they're really working on that) |
| 02:30.43 | gravity | Heh, no we're not considering gconf seriously |
| 02:31.01 | gravity | Hopefully client apps will help |
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| 02:31.24 | gravity | I'm going to work on that soon by improving the parser and splitting it out as a shlib so that client apps to read and write xorg.conf can be written |
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| 02:31.49 | gravity | That's a near-future project, but I've got a few things that I want to do before |
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| 02:32.31 | Wyzard | gravity: You know, last I heard you were the maintainer of the Debian xorg packages... are you now an xorg developer too? |
| 02:32.48 | gravity | Wyzard: Yes |
| 02:32.51 | Wyzard | nifty |
| 02:32.55 | gravity | Well, sorta. I have commit access and I do a bit |
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| 02:33.13 | Wyzard | so not a core developer |
| 02:33.15 | Wyzard | but still, that's cool |
| 02:33.29 | gravity | No, I don't think I'm a core developer just yet, but I'm working on it |
| 02:33.40 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 02:33.56 | gravity | I'm not sure at what point you become core though |
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| 02:35.05 | mdwith | apt-get update will update what exactly? |
| 02:35.33 | haggz | mdiwth: it updates the database of packages available to download |
| 02:35.33 | adhoc | the available package lists |
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| 02:36.11 | mdwith | how can i run it w/o the sudo thing, it says (13 Permission denied) |
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| 02:36.26 | mdwith | and w/ sudo it says command not found |
| 02:36.50 | Wyzard | gravity: Having a client app rewrite xorg.conf out from under the running server's feet doesn't sound like an ideal solution though |
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| 02:37.19 | gravity | Wyzard: Why not? |
| 02:37.20 | adhoc | mdwith: you will have to specify the path to the file with sudo |
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| 02:37.41 | adhoc | sudo /usr/bin/apt-get update |
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| 02:37.59 | Wyzard | gravity: If I plug in a second monitor, I wouldn't want to have to use one interface (randr) to make the currently-running server use it, and a completely different interface (xorg.conf modification tool) to make the on-disk change |
| 02:38.12 | gravity | Wyzard: Ideally it'll be the same client-side app |
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| 02:38.21 | mdwith | still no dice |
| 02:38.30 | Wyzard | gravity: Ideally there should be one interface to a) tell the server to use the new monitor, and b) also update its own configuration so it uses the new monitor next time too |
| 02:38.34 | gravity | Wyzard: Something like the way windows and mac do it. Change res, ask if you want to keep it, then save if you do |
| 02:38.38 | mdwith | i only have the minmal system installed |
| 02:38.43 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 02:38.44 | abrotman | mdwith: what are you trying to do ? |
| 02:38.47 | haggz | mdwith: you probably havent added your account to sudoers, you should be able to su to root though |
| 02:39.30 | mdwith | i wanted to check for updates, because i couldnt get on the server during the install |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | su |
| 02:39.40 | haggz | mdwith: if you completed standard minimal install, you can just su and enter the password for the root account you created during install, then you can do any admin tasks you want |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | become root |
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| 02:39.56 | abrotman | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 02:40.18 | mdwith | how do i become root? |
| 02:40.20 | abrotman | su |
| 02:40.33 | abrotman | you can setup sudo later if you want .. it's not installed by default |
| 02:41.26 | mdwith | o ic, thank you. when it says Reading package list... done. is it installed? |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | it's working until it returns to the prompt |
| 02:41.50 | mdwith | o wait i have to put :"apt-get install update" right? |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | no .. i told you the command you need |
| 02:42.57 | mdwith | ooo sry thanks ill try it |
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| 02:44.34 | mdwith | awesome thanks im upto date :) |
| 02:44.36 | kb3llm | how would i go about making a wireless access point in debian? |
| 02:46.23 | dondelelcaro | kb3llm: depends what you want the AP to do, but most of it is just sticking the wireless card into Master mode, and configuring it. |
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| 02:48.40 | rainabba | Any way to use MS "Windows Deployment Services" to serve PXE boot image of Debian Net Installer? |
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| 02:49.11 | dondelelcaro | rainabba: if it will serve dhcp and tftpd images, yes... but how to set that up is something that is off topic for this channel. |
| 02:49.26 | dondelelcaro | rainabba: if you want to know how to do it with Debian, there are howtos extant |
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| 02:50.25 | rainabba | Gotta have Debian to do it with Debian :) I've actually got a tftp server setup on my net here and a VPN connecting to the net where I want to do this, but AFAIK, I can't do this across networks (PXE that is). Know different? |
| 02:50.59 | rainabba | As far as how to setup Windows to do this, I agree it's off topic, I'm asking if anyone knows that it can be done (or maybe I should ask if anyone has done it successfully). |
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| 02:52.06 | BlueToothz | hi guys |
| 02:52.13 | BlueToothz | i have a question, not really a problem |
| 02:52.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell BlueToothz -about ask |
| 02:52.59 | BlueToothz | I know dondelelcaro thank you i didnt wanna be an ass and just demand |
| 02:53.57 | BlueToothz | What should I do if Comcast Cable comes to install Cable Internet, and he doesnt know ahting about linux |
| 02:54.03 | BlueToothz | what should I tell him? |
| 02:54.12 | BlueToothz | anything* |
| 02:54.25 | dondelelcaro | BlueToothz: it doesn't matter; they should just give you a modem which does dhcp. They shouldn't need to touch your computer (and generally, you don't want them to) |
| 02:54.30 | rainabba | Shouldn't matter. The cable modem works with your NIC, the O/S is irrelevant to them. |
| 02:54.30 | kgoetz | what does he need to know? 'put the box over there, i'll plug the calbe in' |
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| 02:54.58 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: You'll need a Windows machine to run their setup program -- it's mandatory, because it actually configures the modem |
| 02:55.02 | kb3llm | dondelelcaro: how do i set my wifi card in master mode? |
| 02:55.06 | dondelelcaro | kb3llm: using iwconfig |
| 02:55.07 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: I use a throwaway Windows installation in VMware for that purpose |
| 02:55.37 | kb3llm | dondelelcaro: but how? I'm kinda new to this.. |
| 02:55.41 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: Once your Windows machine is able to connect to the Internet, their job is done |
| 02:55.56 | kb3llm | dondelelcaro: is it iwconfig wlan0 mode master ? |
| 02:55.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: only if you want the windows crap |
| 02:56.01 | kgoetz | Wyzard: crazy. they dont even bring a machien to configure with? |
| 02:56.07 | Wyzard | kgoetz: nope |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | you don't need a windows box to get comcast |
| 02:56.26 | dondelelcaro | eh? you shouldn't need to configure the modem |
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| 02:56.44 | abrotman | it's even easier if you just give them your router and ask them to set that up |
| 02:56.45 | BlueToothz | in debian i know how, but they do want to install some stupid cd |
| 02:56.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: Yes you do... they have a setup program which installs their stupid support software and changes your browser's homepage, and *then* uploads the magic config file to the modem which binds it to your subscriber account |
| 02:56.47 | niru | hi |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: not when i did it .. any of the times i did it |
| 02:57.13 | dondelelcaro | BlueToothz: tell them that you don't have a windows machine |
| 02:57.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: It was true when I got it installed at my old apartment two years ago -- the connection absolutely didn't work until I ran the setup program |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: you can call them to do that bit if you choose |
| 02:58.07 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: that's odd; did the tech come and call in the modem mac address? |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | you don't need the windows crap |
| 02:58.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: More recently (when I moved two months ago), the setup program still exists, though this time I didn't try using the connection before running it |
| 02:58.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: You don't need the Windows software to use the service on an ongoing basis, but in my experience, you do need the one-time setup program |
| 02:58.48 | kb3llm | when i send iwconfig wlan0 mode Master, i get this: |
| 02:58.49 | kb3llm | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 02:58.49 | kb3llm | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: i didn't .. wahtever .. |
| 02:59.05 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The tech who came for the installation didn't call in any MAC address |
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| 02:59.20 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: well, that's what the setup program is doing, almost certainly. |
| 02:59.38 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I called Comcast on the phone and asked if I could have the service activated without running the setup program |
| 02:59.38 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: so there's no real reason for them not to have a method for people who don't have windows machines, since there is a reasonable number of them |
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| 02:59.47 | kb3llm | guys, any help? |
| 02:59.50 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: They told me it's possible, but they'd have to send another technician and it'd take three days |
| 02:59.57 | rainabba | Where can I find Debian 4.0R1 netboot files as a single archive? (the site provides an FTP with individual files) |
| 03:00.06 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I didn't want to wait three days for Internet service, so I created a throwaway Windows VM and ran the setup program |
| 03:00.07 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: right, that's why you have the technician call in the mac address. |
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| 03:00.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: you need to have a firm tone when you talk to the tech line :) |
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| 03:00.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: I suppose |
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| 03:01.22 | guido_ | hi, I have installed and running a 537EP INTEL Modem |
| 03:01.28 | rainabba | Wyzard, Only MAC they should need is the one on your cable modem. Their "Setup" program most likely just installs windows CRAP that isn't required for the service at all (like customizing IE to show the ComCast logo). |
| 03:01.44 | Wyzard | abrotman: but at this point I don't care anymore... the next installation I'll be getting is FiOS, as soon as it's available here (they laid the fiber a month ago), and I know from experience (at my previous residence) that that doesn't require any special setup, just plug in and go |
| 03:01.45 | liable | kb3llm: which driver? |
| 03:02.05 | kb3llm | liable: dwl-g510 (ndiswrapper) |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | Wyzard: odd .. i thought they had a "windows setup" also .. but whatever |
| 03:02.25 | Wyzard | I'm just hoping I can persuade the FiOS installation technician to use cat5 rather than coaxial cable, so I can connect my own router directly |
| 03:02.27 | liable | kb3llm: ndis supports master mode? i dont think it does |
| 03:02.29 | guido_ | I want make calls to normal phones to speak Across my speakers |
| 03:02.34 | guido_ | it's posible? |
| 03:02.43 | kb3llm | liable: really? that stinks. |
| 03:02.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: They might provide a CD with some software on it, though I don't remember getting one |
| 03:03.00 | liable | kb3llm: what chip does the card have? |
| 03:03.06 | kb3llm | atheros, i think |
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| 03:03.14 | liable | kb3llm: try madwifi |
| 03:03.25 | liable | kb3llm: check your lspci output |
| 03:03.26 | Wyzard | abrotman: but the service works without needing to run any special setup program; I was able to use it immediately the last time I had it installed |
| 03:03.28 | kb3llm | eeek. i just got it workin... |
| 03:03.36 | guido_ | any ideas? |
| 03:03.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: so does comcast :) |
| 03:04.15 | Wyzard | abrotman: and the FiOS technician *did* have a laptop of his own that he could test with, though he didn't bring it in initially |
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| 03:04.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: at least you'll be free of those comcast bastards :) |
| 03:05.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: (I wasn't able to get an IP when he first hooked it up, so he brought in his own laptop from his truck and tried that; turned out to be a bad Ethernet cable) |
| 03:05.13 | Wyzard | yep |
| 03:05.19 | rainabba | Wyzard, Which level of FiOS did you get? |
| 03:05.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: using fios for phone/cable also ? |
| 03:05.35 | Wyzard | rainabba: The middle tier, 15/5 IIRC |
| 03:06.02 | Wyzard | abrotman: I have no land-line telephone (though I do have a Verizon cellphone), and I don't own a TV so I'm not interested in TV service |
| 03:06.21 | abrotman | you left your tv ? |
| 03:06.42 | rainabba | Wyzard, Nice. Cox is getting decent in Phoenix (15/1 with steady bursts to 30/1 at times), but the 1MB uplink kills me. Even their business services doesn't offer much better until you get dedicated lines. |
| 03:06.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: Never owned one in the first place |
| 03:07.03 | rainabba | Wish Verizon would take over here :) |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | i thought you bought the EDTV ? |
| 03:07.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: I had a small one that I borrowed for awhile to use with my PS2, but I returned that when I got my new monitor with composite input |
| 03:07.37 | abrotman | rainabba: apparently not enough money in your community .. in philly FIOS goes to the richest neighborhoods first |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah ok |
| 03:07.57 | rainabba | abrotman, Ahh |
| 03:08.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope, I went looking and almost bought one, but decided it wasn't worth it |
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| 03:08.50 | rainabba | abrotman, I thought the issue was that Verizon has to be a primary carrier in the metro area and we have Qwest (part of a larger company that isn't Verizon, can't remember the name right now) |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: especially if you don't watch tv |
| 03:09.00 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:09.08 | Wyzard | All I'd really use it for is video games on the PS2 |
| 03:09.13 | Wyzard | and for now I can just connect that to the monitor |
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| 03:09.20 | abrotman | rainabba: verizon is all over philly .. but only rich neighborhoods have gotten FIOS so far |
| 03:09.25 | Wyzard | though I haven't actually bothered doing so since I moved two months ago... it's still in the box |
| 03:09.34 | abrotman | it does make decent business sense i guess |
| 03:10.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: i still haven't finished DQ VIII .. and i'm so close :) |
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| 03:10.14 | gravity | heh |
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| 03:11.18 | Nostahl | anyone here familiar with dd functions? |
| 03:11.51 | abrotman | like what? |
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| 03:13.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: they dont' actually block it .. just slow it :) |
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| 03:13.14 | rmaj_ | Nostahl: dd as in diskdupe util? |
| 03:13.25 | Nostahl | im not sure what it stands for |
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| 03:13.38 | Nostahl | but here is the url to where im trying to do http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 03:13.46 | Nostahl | scroll down to windows section |
| 03:13.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah, it's not as bad as it used to be -- I can get about 40kB/sec upload if after the client's been running for awhile |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | !dd |
| 03:14.07 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 03:14.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: but I'd rather have it go up to 100... and on FiOS I was letting it go up to 200 |
| 03:14.38 | abrotman | Wyzard: you just need a host somewhere :) |
| 03:15.01 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, I just need an ISP that doesn't suck |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | s/ISP/Company/ |
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| 03:15.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: I have webhosting, but the monthly bandwith allotment is 11GB, hardly suitable for seeding Linux distros at 200kB/sec 24/7 |
| 03:16.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | bah .. sleepy time |
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| 03:20.12 | p3rti | hi.. how do i make to know if i'm on a greylisting of my mail server? |
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| 03:30.29 | g3brown | I setup a RAID5 with 256K stripe (64K is normally what is used) should I adjust the block size when creating an ext3 partition on that array? |
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| 03:32.42 | lbc | g3brown you don't have to, although if you think 256K stripes make the most sense, it's probably because that'll be the 1/2 of the average file size... so 512 fs blocks would seem optimal to me (by no means a filesystem/storage expert) |
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| 03:33.12 | jmichaelx | i was just in the process of installing the package 'zekr' and the related Qur'an english translation with adept, but it came to a point where it asked me to click OK... however, in adept this was not possible, now adept is just stalling. any suggestions? |
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| 03:33.51 | g3brown | lbc: if I just format it ext3 do you know what the default block size is? |
| 03:34.05 | lbc | I'd suggest switching religion, but I would want you to take it the wrong way : ] |
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| 03:34.40 | jmichaelx | lbc: well, that would still not explain to me what to do with adept... |
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| 03:35.32 | lbc | ok, my first answer was surrealist : "Valid block size vales are 1024, 2048 and 4096 " (from man mkfs.ext3) |
| 03:35.51 | lbc | "If omitted, mke2fs block-size is heuristically determined by the file system size and the expected usage of the filesystem (see the -T option" |
| 03:35.54 | jmichaelx | if i just closed adept, could i possibly just go on from a terminal with 'dpkg --configure -a'? |
| 03:36.46 | jmichaelx | i'm not sure if i have that command ordered correctly.... |
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| 03:36.58 | ozatomic^ | root 13445 1.7 0.0 0 0 pts/2 Z 15:15 0:02 [java] <defunct> <==== how do i kill this process |
| 03:37.05 | ozatomic^ | i tried kill -9 13445 but it wouldn't go |
| 03:37.55 | lbc | ozatomic^ you have to kill the parent process |
| 03:38.03 | lbc | (or the child) |
| 03:38.04 | ozatomic^ | how do i find it? |
| 03:38.14 | lbc | it's under "PPID" in the ps output |
| 03:38.24 | g3brown | lbc: I testing speed diff with 256K stripes versus 64K, so I wanted to know best block size. |
| 03:38.34 | g3brown | lbc: sounds like it best to let it pick then? |
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| 03:38.49 | lbc | g3brown, I would go with the highest block size |
| 03:38.53 | ozatomic^ | lbc i don't ahev ppid |
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| 03:39.29 | lbc | my (very theortical) understanding is that will reduce the number of calls to a the function that reads/writes a single block when reading/writing from/to a file |
| 03:39.57 | lbc | what type of data will you be storing on there, g3brown ? |
| 03:40.10 | g3brown | The RAID5 array should be around 2.7 TB, but df reports 734 GB free. Is this a bug? |
| 03:40.45 | g3brown | lbc: a little bit of everything, but I'm trying to squeeze the speed for large video file transfers, like blu-ray and hd-dvd discs. |
| 03:41.19 | lbc | ok definitely go with the highest block size then |
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| 03:42.29 | g3brown | lbc: you got any ideas why df would report the incorrect size on my array? |
| 03:42.50 | lbc | nope, ext3 supports partitions up to 4TB |
| 03:43.12 | lbc | perhaps the partitionning software you used to create the partition doesn't ... |
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| 03:44.36 | lbc | ozatomic^ : you want the -F option to ps |
| 03:44.51 | ozatomic^ | thanks |
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| 03:46.15 | g3brown | lbc: looks like something might be wrong there. I fdisk /dev/sdb and the sdb1 partition isn't using all the blocks, if I'm reading it correctly |
| 03:46.29 | lbc | hmm |
| 03:46.37 | Wyzard | g3brown: Hardware RAID? |
| 03:47.22 | g3brown | Wyzard: yeah. 3ware controller |
| 03:47.34 | Wyzard | OK, then /dev/sdb really is your array |
| 03:47.45 | g3brown | Wyzard: yep |
| 03:47.46 | Wyzard | Just making sure you weren't fdisk'ing a component device in a software array :-) |
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| 03:48.11 | vn | hi, where do I get mount.cifs and smbmount with debian? |
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| 03:48.25 | Wyzard | vn: in the "smbfs" package, IIRC |
| 03:48.32 | g3brown | Wyzard: thanks. I've never messed with software raids with linux. I'm trying to get fastest performance on a small network. was testing RAID5 and RAID10, stripe size, etc. |
| 03:48.33 | lbc | ozatomic^ , can you try with cdisk ? |
| 03:48.44 | lbc | I mean cfdisk |
| 03:48.50 | lbc | and I mean : g3brown |
| 03:49.03 | rainabba | Windows admins (who obviously manage linux also): There a good tool out there for Windows I can use to manage PXE boot options using Windows to install linux distros? |
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| 03:49.44 | vn | Wyzard, ok thanks |
| 03:49.48 | g3brown | lbc: is cdisk a command? apt-get it? |
| 03:50.04 | g3brown | lbc: whoops i see cfdisk now |
| 03:50.11 | lbc | g3brown : it's cfdisk (mytypo) and I believe it's ... there you go :) |
| 03:50.13 | rainabba | g3brown, I've come to LOVE linux software raid because the performance is >= hardware raid, but it's more portable than hardware. The only real downside I see so far is the lack of BBU (Battery Backup Unit) that hardware can provide. |
| 03:50.41 | stew | g3brown: can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l" |
| 03:51.06 | g3brown | rainabba: thats cool. hard to believe it could match parity creating to a dedicated controller though. |
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| 03:51.33 | Wyzard | g3brown: It can on a fast CPU, but at the expense of a bit of CPU load |
| 03:51.53 | lbc | what would be a better option than "dpkg" to install a custom version of tar on my system ? |
| 03:52.12 | dondelelcaro | lbc: dpkg is the way, but why do you want a custom version of tar? |
| 03:52.30 | lbc | well the latest alpha release has an option added that I requested |
| 03:52.33 | GuHHH | does anyone uses chrooted apache with phpldapadmin? |
| 03:52.38 | rainabba | g3brown, Yah, most people have it in their minds that hardware would be faster, but they don't consider where that idea came from. 10 years ago, hardware was a must because CPUs weren't rediculously powerful so you needed a 2nd one for parity calculations. Not the case any more. Your CPU (even a P4) will easily blow away the risc controller on most hardware solutions. |
| 03:52.43 | g3brown | lbc: cfdisk easier to read. It shows gobs of free space. I thought it formated too quick. I'll try redoing it. |
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| 03:53.18 | dondelelcaro | lbc: so take the current Debian package, patch it with your patch (possibly after filing a wishlist bug against tar to include it), increment the version appropriately and install it using dpkg -i |
| 03:53.48 | dondelelcaro | lbc: possibly placing tar on hold to avoid newer releases of tar overwriting your version without manual intervention |
| 03:53.53 | rainabba | g3brown, My Core 2 Dual e6400 with Intel ICH8R chipset (4 drives) destroys my Intel SRC4SAS controller with 5 drives (same model of drives). As I said though, hardware has it's upside, just not the end-all of RAID. |
| 03:53.54 | lbc | dondelelcaro, already did all the packaging with uupdate and dpkg-buildpackage (thanks to the new maintainer's guide :) |
| 03:54.03 | dondelelcaro | lbc: ok, then just dpkg -i it |
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| 03:54.10 | lbc | alrighty, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 03:54.11 | dondelelcaro | lbc: and possibly put tar on hold |
| 03:54.22 | dondelelcaro | lbc: np |
| 03:54.26 | lbc | dondelelcaro , I was thinking of an apt-pinning |
| 03:54.35 | g3brown | rainabba: I'll give the software thing a try when I finishes timing the 3ware card. I'm guess 3ware still going to be hard to beat. It's PCI-X 64bit 133Mhz bus. |
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| 03:55.13 | g3brown | rainabba: do you install the smb core ? |
| 03:55.27 | Wyzard | g3brown: I did a test once and found that Linux software RAID-5 consumed about 22% CPU during sustained writing on an 800MHz Athlon box |
| 03:55.43 | Wyzard | g3brown: Naturally on a newer processor that percentage would be significantly less |
| 03:56.21 | Wyzard | g3brown: but the bottleneck was clearly the disks, not the CPU |
| 03:56.34 | g3brown | Wyzard: have you ever tested speed diff between RAID5 with 3 vs 4 drives? |
| 03:56.52 | Wyzard | g3brown: nope |
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| 03:57.11 | rainabba | g3brown, Ok, if you're not running SATAII on a PCIe controller, you might not be as impressed as I was regardless of your CPU because of the bandwidth limitations you'll see. No matter how many drives, or how fast your CPU, the data-bus between your drives and CPU might be a signification bottleneck compared to what I have. Your 3ware might saturate it also. |
| 03:57.37 | Wyzard | g3brown: oh, I should add, the test I mentioned was for 2-disk RAID5 (not very useful, I know, but I was comparing it against 2-disk RAID1, as something that's "similar but expandable to more disks in the future") |
| 03:58.13 | g3brown | Wyzard: I don't think you can have 2 disk RAID5, unless you partition them. |
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| 03:58.32 | mazlee | hey |
| 03:58.34 | Wyzard | g3brown: You can, at least with Linux software RAID; it's just not very meaningful |
| 03:58.39 | dondelelcaro | lbc: pinning is really ideal when you have an entire repository that you want to deal with differently; isn't so adept at dealing with single packages. |
| 03:58.43 | g3brown | rainabba: it't not PCI express it's PCI-X (the real long white one) |
| 03:59.18 | Wyzard | g3brown: It's basically RAID-1 except that the redundant data is parity rather than a bit-for-bit copy |
| 03:59.22 | rainabba | g3brown, I got ya. That's my point. PCI-X is still only 133mhz and not going to provide the bandwidth that PCIe does. |
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| 04:00.02 | Wyzard | g3brown: It can be useful with a RAID implementation that supports restriping to add more disks later, like Linux does -- you can get RAID1-like redundancy from the start, and expand to 3-disk or 4-disk RAID5 later |
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| 04:00.17 | lbc | dondelelcaro, that's noted, what I wanted to obtain is something like : favour my alpha package until a higher version (ie 1.20) shows up in sid |
| 04:00.37 | dondelelcaro | lbc: you can do that just by versioning your alpha package appropriately. |
| 04:00.56 | g3brown | Wyzard: that sweet. You to pay big bucks to get controllers to do that. |
| 04:01.03 | lbc | dondelelcaro : well I called it 1.19.1-20071030 |
| 04:01.24 | g3brown | rainabba: have you timed transfer speeds with your array? like MB per seconds? |
| 04:01.28 | Wyzard | g3brown: Details of my test here, if you're interested: http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1718646&st=775&#entry4587275 |
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| 04:02.03 | dondelelcaro | lbc: calling it 1.2.0~alpha-1 is the way to do it |
| 04:02.12 | dondelelcaro | lbc: you can check with dpkg --compare-versions |
| 04:02.27 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps 1.2.0~alpha.20071030-1 or something) |
| 04:02.45 | rainabba | g3brown, yes but it's been some time. If someone can remind me of the tool I used (I think the most popular disk benchmark solution for linux), I'll test on this system (e6400 + ICH8R + SATAII Seagate) |
| 04:03.12 | g3brown | rainabba: I've been just copying from a samba share. |
| 04:03.29 | g3brown | rainabba: since that is the way I really move files around. |
| 04:03.31 | rainabba | g3brown, Too many variables to rely on that test. |
| 04:04.05 | rainabba | For disk performance that is. I see your point though. |
| 04:04.17 | g3brown | rainabba: yeah, it a little difficult. I take a 1gb video file and time it with stop watch. It's not dead on accurate but I get in the ball park. Big difference show up. |
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| 04:05.32 | lbc | dondelelcaro : after reading about it in dpkg's manpage, I'm not sure I see what you mean ... do you mean doing something like "dpkg --compare-versions tar=sid > tar" ? |
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| 04:06.49 | g3brown | rainabba: Vista has problem with copying over network. With XP though, I could get about 80-85MB/s over gigabit. That is from XP to Linux. The other way a good bit slower. |
| 04:07.39 | rainabba | g3brown, 85MB/s from the 3ware card over network? Not bad. |
| 04:07.53 | Wyzard | g3brown: Interesting... I did some testing recently and wasn't able to get more than 40-50MB/sec over the network in either Windows or Linux |
| 04:08.06 | dondelelcaro | lbc: no, I mean dpkg --compare-versions '1.2.0-1' '>' '1.2.0~alpha-1' && echo 1; |
| 04:08.14 | Wyzard | g3brown: That's with two Intel PRO/1000 cards and a Netgear gigabit switch |
| 04:08.16 | g3brown | rainabba: that was older 9500 card. I'm hoping to better times. |
| 04:09.00 | lbc | dondelelcaro : so what you're telling me is that the compare-versions will always see '-' as being higher than '~' ? |
| 04:09.03 | Wyzard | g3brown: though I guess my disk may have been the bottleneck in that test |
| 04:09.21 | g3brown | Wyzard: several netgear switches have problems. I use a linksys which is close to times I can get with the equivalent cisco switch. |
| 04:09.27 | dondelelcaro | lbc: the algorithm quite work that way |
| 04:09.41 | dondelelcaro | lbc: err, doesn't quite, but ~ sorts before everything. |
| 04:09.43 | Wyzard | g3brown: The only Linksys I have is my WRT54GL, which is 100mbit |
| 04:09.58 | lbc | dondelelcaro : I see.. is it based on ascii code value ? |
| 04:10.06 | dondelelcaro | lbc: for the most part |
| 04:10.47 | dondelelcaro | lbc: but obviously 10.0 > 9.0, FE. |
| 04:11.10 | g3brown | Wyzard: I'm using a SR2024 (I beleve is the model) now. |
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| 04:12.11 | kgoetz | should i let dspam create its socket in /tmp/, or is there abetter place for it? |
| 04:12.41 | Wyzard | kgoetz: /tmp is commonly used for sockets for talking to daemons -- the socket for X is in there, for example |
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| 04:13.11 | kgoetz | Wyzard: ok. thans |
| 04:13.14 | lbc | dondelelcaro : ok. I was looking to have more of an automatic behaviour than testing this manually / through a script call , combined with holding in apt. apt pinning my version , with a higher prio on the next 'major' release would get me closer to this, right ? It's not like I'll be needing the bleeding edge tar again |
| 04:13.38 | dondelelcaro | lbc: no, it won't |
| 04:13.52 | lbc | dondelelcaro : ... I was assuming it'll would show up in aptitude once 1.20 is out |
| 04:13.55 | dondelelcaro | lbc: the automatic behavoir you can get by setting the version as I've indicated |
| 04:14.17 | dondelelcaro | lbc: then when 1.20-1 is released, it'll be a newer version than 1.20~alpha, and so it'll be installed |
| 04:14.23 | lbc | oh... because apt(itude) will be using the same sort logic |
| 04:14.28 | dondelelcaro | lbc: yes. |
| 04:14.43 | dondelelcaro | lbc: using dpkg --compare-versions is only to demonstrate to yourself that you're choosing a version that works. |
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| 04:15.03 | lbc | gotcha. I'll redpkg-buldpackage |
| 04:15.12 | lbc | +i |
| 04:16.26 | g3brown | lbc: I've tried fdisk and cfdisk and neither will partition the full capicity of the drive. Got any ideas what I'm missing? |
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| 04:17.38 | lbc | g3brown, not at all, the biggest partition I've ever dealt with is 300 GB... |
| 04:18.33 | g3brown | lbc: i fdisk /dev/sdb then 'n' then select 1 for 1st partition, then select 1 for first block. The last block only allows me to set it to 97376. |
| 04:19.37 | lbc | g3brown : I'm have very little knownledge of fdisk ; does cfdisk give you the right size for your array ? |
| 04:20.08 | g3brown | lbc: yeah, it says write size but if you exit and go right back in it isn't full size. |
| 04:20.18 | g3brown | s/write/right |
| 04:20.38 | lbc | you mean It'll show the right size only once ?! |
| 04:23.35 | g3brown | lbc: I mean it ask for size and it shows 2999.9GB. I hit enter. And then go to Write. Everything appears fine. Quit then cfdisk /dev/sdb and it shows 800GB partition. |
| 04:24.13 | lbc | it refers to what, g3brown ? |
| 04:24.17 | lbc | df ? |
| 04:24.24 | lbc | df / du ? |
| 04:24.31 | g3brown | lbc: cfdisk |
| 04:24.47 | lbc | g3brown : I meant the last "it" ... right ? |
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| 04:25.34 | slapfaceware | rsync: readlink "/etc/rc2.d/S20assp" failed: Permission denied (13) |
| 04:25.48 | g3brown | lbc: yeah. I'm saying that when you go back into cfdisk to view partition on sdb, it (cfdisk) reports I have one 800GB partition and one 2XXX GB partiion |
| 04:25.56 | slapfaceware | is there a solution to this? |
| 04:26.00 | lbc | ok I understand ... |
| 04:26.05 | g3brown | lbc: correct that 2xxx free space I mean |
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| 04:26.55 | Edgardoweb | wazaaaa |
| 04:27.03 | Edgardoweb | alguien disponible o q |
| 04:27.21 | nvz | !br |
| 04:27.21 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:27.41 | nvz | if thats suppose to be spanish you need to learn how to type |
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| 04:29.46 | xoz_ | Y |
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| 04:31.42 | Yggdrasil | can somoe tell me how to force the held back packages when i do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:31.54 | wols_ | !hold |
| 04:31.54 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 04:32.45 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: "apt-get install" them |
| 04:32.49 | Yggdrasil | ok |
| 04:32.50 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 04:33.15 | Wyzard | Yggdrasil: That'll force apt to try to install them, and it'll tell you about whatever conflicts are blocking them |
| 04:33.28 | Yggdrasil | yea i see that ok thanks |
| 04:34.24 | Edgardoweb | hi how are you |
| 04:34.25 | dpkg | Edgardoweb: eh, ok |
| 04:34.25 | aptitude | Edgardoweb: pretty good. how about you? |
| 04:34.36 | Edgardoweb | no a dont worry |
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| 04:37.27 | slapfaceware | rsync: readlink "/etc/rc2.d/S20assp" failed: Permission denied (13) help |
| 04:37.36 | slapfaceware | i wonder what that is |
| 04:37.43 | slapfaceware | nothing on google |
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| 04:38.49 | slapfaceware | anyone know? |
| 04:39.43 | maxamillion | slapfaceware: never seen it myself, no |
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| 04:47.47 | g3brown | I'm still working with this RAID5. With 3 drives I have approx 2tb and it will partition and format the full 2tb. If I add the 4th drive, I can only partition 800GB and not the full 3TB. Any idea what is going on? |
| 04:48.07 | unlink | Setting up ghc6 (6.6.1-2) ... |
| 04:48.07 | unlink | Segmentation fault |
| 04:48.18 | unlink | dpkg: error processing ghc6 (--configure): |
| 04:48.18 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 04:48.33 | unlink | dpkg: i'm not talking to you |
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| 04:50.38 | tclineks | dpkg: he thinks you're human |
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| 04:55.28 | rdz | how can i find out, which process is occupying a certain tcp port? |
| 04:56.09 | tclineks | rdz: netstat or lsof |
| 04:56.20 | rdz | tclineks, thanks |
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| 04:56.41 | tclineks | rdz: sudo netstat -ntp |grep (port) |
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| 04:57.27 | unlink | tclineks: you think i'm human |
| 04:58.02 | rdz | tclineks, thanks |
| 04:58.32 | rdz | but this doesn't tell me which process is using.. or is supposed to do so and the process isn't just running anymore? |
| 04:58.48 | g3brown | does recompiling the kernal with LDB support mean anything to anyone here? |
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| 05:01.20 | wols_ | rdz: you need to be root for this netstat command |
| 05:01.48 | rdz | wols_, i am... the things is tat i only see "CLOSE_WAIT -" |
| 05:01.55 | rdz | the process isn't running anymore..... |
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| 05:02.15 | rdz | but the port is still occuppied, which is kind of annoying |
| 05:02.29 | tclineks | ah, conflict with avahi |
| 05:02.48 | tclineks | (my problem) |
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| 05:04.14 | rdz | hm.. how comes, that i still can connect to this port with telnet, although no process is running on it? |
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| 05:07.15 | g3brown | g3 rephases question - has anyone used a partition larger than 2TB with Debian Etch before? |
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| 05:15.46 | Supaplex | g3brown: how long does it take to fsck? :) |
| 05:16.16 | axscode | hi, how to check the dependencies of the application.. what library its using? whats the utility for that please? |
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| 05:16.27 | Supaplex | ldd |
| 05:17.41 | g3brown | Supaplex: how long does it take to check the filesystem? |
| 05:17.59 | Supaplex | g3brown: yup |
| 05:18.00 | wols_ | depends on the type of fs |
| 05:18.15 | Supaplex | 05:07 < g3brown> g3 rephases question - has anyone used a partition larger than 2TB with Debian Etch before? |
| 05:18.25 | Supaplex | what if it's 2TB+? |
| 05:18.30 | g3brown | Supaplex: if I could partition it I would let you know. |
| 05:18.32 | Supaplex | a lonnnnggg time. |
| 05:18.53 | Supaplex | is it a 64bit box? |
| 05:18.57 | wols_ | !tell g3brown about errors |
| 05:19.00 | lbc | axscode > in a debian context, there is also a script here : http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control |
| 05:19.11 | wols_ | also: don't you mean LVM and not LDB support? |
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| 05:20.01 | Supaplex | !factstats |
| 05:20.11 | g3brown | I'm trying to partition a 3TB array and I can't. Someone suggested I needed LBD support in kernel. That sounded crazy to me. I thought ext3 had no problems up to 4TB. |
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| 05:21.03 | g3brown | wols_: that make sense? |
| 05:21.07 | lbc | g3brown > I read something in a forum about a kernel option for partitions size in your ballpark.. you should investigate that |
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| 05:22.01 | g3brown | Is there a way I can verify what the kernal supports? I really don't want to compile kernel for this system. |
| 05:22.21 | Supaplex | cool. I have 108 factoids to muh name. :) |
| 05:22.53 | g3brown | Supaplex: yeah, I have amd64 on it. I would install i386 though, I dont' care about that. |
| 05:23.08 | g3brown | lbc: you have link? |
| 05:23.31 | Supaplex | g3brown: no, 64bit is better for larger partition sizes. I hope you're using lvm2 :) |
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| 05:24.52 | g3brown | Supaplex: no. you suggest this? |
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| 05:25.36 | Supaplex | g3brown: oh yes. |
| 05:25.40 | Supaplex | !lvm2 |
| 05:25.40 | dpkg | i heard lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 05:27.03 | g3brown | Supaplex: I've used logical volumes for backup systems. that way it offered an expanable space later. For this server it is fixed though. Is this what you are referring too? |
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| 05:27.42 | Supaplex | g3brown: what's the role of your server? |
| 05:28.07 | g3brown | Supaplex: file server. houses various data. the space is for hd content. |
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| 05:29.14 | Supaplex | g3brown: ok. with lvm it's much eaier to shift disk space around. eg, my / is usually 256mb, but every once in a while I need it to grow to 1g. after I'm done, I can size it down, and make room available for /var/lib/something/ |
| 05:29.42 | Supaplex | and I'm a fan of isolated filesystems. if one breaks, I lose less. |
| 05:30.20 | rainabba | What's the command to list disk usage per directory? |
| 05:30.43 | g3brown | Supaplex: yeah, I'm with you there. That what I thought you were talking about. My space is coming from a RAID5 array. I was trying to test speed diff between 3 drive Raid5 and 4 drive Raid5. I can't partition the 4 drive Raid5 though. |
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| 05:30.59 | g3brown | du |
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| 05:34.28 | wols_ | g3brown: you will need another partitiontable |
| 05:34.50 | wols_ | the normal one uses a 5byte value to denote how many sectors are in the partition |
| 05:34.50 | g3brown | wols_: I don't understand. |
| 05:35.05 | wols_ | if the partition is >2TB you'd need more than 32bits |
| 05:35.20 | wols_ | 4byte value rather (32bit value) |
| 05:35.36 | wols_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record#MBRs_and_disk_partitioning |
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| 05:36.43 | g3brown | wols_: I'm still not follwoing. |
| 05:36.44 | wols_ | ibe possibility is a GPT I guess |
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| 05:37.02 | wols_ | g3brown: look at the table for the wikipedialink I pasted |
| 05:37.43 | g3brown | wols_: Layout of one 16-byte partition record? |
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| 05:38.14 | wols_ | yes |
| 05:38.36 | wols_ | a sector is 512 bytes |
| 05:39.00 | wols_ | meaning you cannot address more than 2TB with a 32bit value to contains number of sectors |
| 05:40.01 | Supaplex | dpkg: 512*(2^32) |
| 05:40.01 | dpkg | 17408 |
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| 05:40.07 | Supaplex | dpkg: 512*(2**32) |
| 05:40.07 | dpkg | 2199023255552 |
| 05:40.21 | g3brown | wols_: I'm still not following. Is there a solutino? |
| 05:40.40 | wols_ | g3brown: if you don't see why you should hire a sysadmin who does |
| 05:41.14 | Supaplex | too bad sc is far away for me. |
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| 05:42.27 | axscode | under deb. |
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| 05:42.44 | g3brown | wols_: yeah, I guess I need to hire someone then. I understand a 32bit system is limitied to 4gb of memory, but your telling me a 32bit system can only see 2tb of storage? |
| 05:42.47 | axscode | how to extract .deb on debian etch... |
| 05:43.01 | wols_ | g3brown: no I did not tell you that |
| 05:43.11 | wols_ | axscode: man dpkg |
| 05:43.17 | Wyzard | g3brown: No, a 32-bit number can only denote 2TB worth of disk space *if the number represents a sector count* |
| 05:43.38 | Wyzard | g3brown: Filesystems use larger block sizes (such as 4k) for that reason |
| 05:43.46 | g3brown | wols_: why can't I just have sectors that are larger than 512 then? |
| 05:43.57 | g3brown | wols_: I thought that is what hd did. |
| 05:44.27 | wols_ | g3brown: ask your harddisk manufacturer. good luck |
| 05:44.51 | wols_ | controller manufacturer too probably |
| 05:44.53 | Wyzard | g3brown: Actually, I read something a few months ago about how the hard-drive industry approved 4k as the new sector size for future disks |
| 05:45.09 | Wyzard | g3brown: but current drives have 512-byte sectors, and that's a fundamental characteristic of the disk itself |
| 05:45.58 | g3brown | So Debian can't partition larger than 2TB ? |
| 05:46.21 | Wyzard | g3brown: It's not a Debian limitation |
| 05:46.38 | g3brown | Wyzard: linux? what? |
| 05:46.39 | Wyzard | g3brown: An MS-DOS partition table cannot represent a partition bigger than 2TB on a disk with 512-byte sectors |
| 05:47.21 | Supaplex | A+ 101 |
| 05:47.28 | Wyzard | g3brown: It's like trying to write the number "one million" when you only have six decimal digits available |
| 05:47.36 | wols_ | Wyzard: does i386 debian have GPT support? |
| 05:47.59 | Wyzard | g3brown: It's fundamentally impossible; the number is too big for the number of digits it's being stored in |
| 05:48.18 | g3brown | Wyzard: yeah, I get that. So is there a partitioner that will allow me to partition > 2TB and debian use it with ext3 partition? |
| 05:48.32 | dwu | ... "impossible means nothing", apparently... |
| 05:48.43 | Wyzard | wols_: no idea... I have no experience with EFI stuff |
| 05:49.05 | Wyzard | g3brown: Is there a pencil that will allow you to write one million in six digits? |
| 05:49.14 | Wyzard | g3brown: It's not something you can work around by using a different program |
| 05:49.26 | ben_goodger | g3brown: you could use a different disklabel type, but that's largely insane |
| 05:49.58 | wols_ | parted can handle GPT partition tables apparently |
| 05:50.01 | uzer | g3brown: i dont know if it will work or reccomended, but you can try creating a filesystem on the whole disk, without using any partition table |
| 05:50.15 | Wyzard | g3brown: Look at the documentation for your RAID controller... it *might* have a feature for simulating a different sector size |
| 05:50.27 | Wyzard | g3brown: Or you could create two partitions and combine them with LVM |
| 05:50.42 | Wyzard | g3brown: or just use the raw unpartitioned device as uzer said |
| 05:50.51 | Wyzard | (It'd work, though it's not recommended) |
| 05:50.52 | wols_ | yes it does: CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y |
| 05:51.23 | wols_ | g3brown: parted |
| 05:51.24 | g3brown | Wyzard: Yeah, I get what your saying, but I'm just having a hard time believe a 64 bit OS has a max of 2TB partitions. I thought that was a limit of OLD operating systems. |
| 05:51.40 | wols_ | there is no such limit |
| 05:51.43 | uzer | g3brown: its not the operating system, its the MS-DOS partition table |
| 05:51.46 | Wyzard | g3brown: Again, it's not a limitation of the operating system |
| 05:52.12 | g3brown | Wyzard: why do I have to use an MS-DOS parition table then? |
| 05:52.19 | g3brown | Wyzard: I'm not booting from the drive. |
| 05:52.21 | wols_ | you don't |
| 05:52.22 | uzer | g3brown: you dont, you can use GPT |
| 05:52.42 | uzer | g3brown: they just confirmed it was in i386 debian |
| 05:52.58 | g3brown | I'm using AMD64 |
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| 05:53.19 | Wyzard | so I take it GPT can be used on any disk, but only an EFI-based system will know how to boot from it, right? |
| 05:53.32 | uzer | Wyzard: thats my understanding |
| 05:53.43 | wols_ | Wyzard: doubt it. you might need elilo but it should work just fine |
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| 05:54.18 | wols_ | Konqi_: open firmware is dead |
| 05:54.38 | Guerin | huzzah, I got my radeon 9250 today |
| 05:54.47 | kgoetz | OF rocks. |
| 05:54.51 | wols_ | g3brown: welcome to 5 year ago :) |
| 05:54.55 | wols_ | Guerin: ^^ |
| 05:54.56 | Guerin | this might not qualify as a huzzah moment for some people |
| 05:55.01 | dwu | Guerin! |
| 05:55.05 | Guerin | wols_: 2004 muthafucka |
| 05:55.14 | Guerin | dwu: zounds, you're off the boat! |
| 05:55.18 | wols_ | woohooo, only 3 years |
| 05:55.19 | g3brown | Wyzard: So I can partition 3 tb or not? |
| 05:55.22 | dwu | Guerin: Uhm, I've never been on it. |
| 05:55.26 | wols_ | that's good. but: it's an ATI card. that's bad |
| 05:55.34 | dwu | Guerin: (yet, but there are plans to get me out of having to get on it) |
| 05:55.38 | Wyzard | g3brown: With a standard MS-DOS partition table, no, you cannot |
| 05:55.43 | Guerin | dwu: i presume navy = boats, and I presume that's where you've been./ How are you? |
| 05:55.50 | Wyzard | g3brown: Not with any OS, not with a 64-bit processor, not with anything |
| 05:55.50 | Guerin | oho, no navy is good |
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| 05:56.00 | dwu | Guerin: I've not graduated yet. |
| 05:56.10 | g3brown | Wyzard: and debian requires I use an MS-DOS parition table? |
| 05:56.13 | Wyzard | g3brown: You cannot fit a size bigger than 2TB into an MS-DOS partition table |
| 05:56.17 | dwu | Guerin: Will only know for sure within the next couple of months, may need to get onboat after all, praying I don't :) |
| 05:56.20 | Guerin | wols_: newest card properly supported in free software |
| 05:56.26 | Wyzard | g3brown: No, it supports other formats, such as GPT which has been mentioned several times |
| 05:56.38 | dwu | Guerin: Been interning at *cough*rubbish*cough* place - at least they let me IRC. |
| 05:56.40 | wols_ | Guerin: not really. there are newer ones supported too with the ati driver |
| 05:56.48 | Wyzard | g3brown: The caveat is that some *other* OSes (most notably Windows) don't support anything else |
| 05:56.56 | Guerin | wols_: in a more or less half-arsed manner |
| 05:57.02 | Guerin | in any case, I don't need much of it |
| 05:57.10 | g3brown | Wyzard: I can't partition a 3TB partion with WIndows? |
| 05:57.21 | beardy | Some are slow. |
| 05:57.37 | uzer | g3brown: you have 2 options, either create a filesystem on the whole device, or partition the device using GPT |
| 05:57.44 | rainabba | Damn debian netinst 4.0r1 is taking it's time installing in a VMWare 1.04 VM. |
| 05:57.44 | Wyzard | g3brown: <Wyzard> g3brown: Not with *any OS*, not with a 64-bit processor, not with anything |
| 05:57.56 | ben_goodger | beardy: surprisingly so |
| 05:58.02 | beardy | rainabba: And what should we blame? |
| 05:58.23 | g3brown | Wyzard: except gpt ... sigh |
| 05:58.30 | Wyzard | g3brown: Windows has its "dynamic disk" partitioning scheme that's a Microsoft-proprietary alternative to a DOS partition table... that might use more than 32 bits for a sector number, but I don't know |
| 05:58.31 | dwu | Wyzard: Your patience is an example. ++ |
| 05:58.35 | Guerin | rainabba: if debian anything is installing vmware, you've been trojan-horsed |
| 05:58.46 | Guerin | dwu: how's skool, anyways? |
| 05:58.48 | rainabba | beardy: You really asking me? I know about as much about what goes on in Debian's installer as you do about my bedroom. :) |
| 05:59.15 | Guerin | rainabba: nothing? Seems reasonable in both cases. |
| 05:59.20 | dwu | Guerin: Last semester was good, I did pretty well at the end of it, currently interning and wanting to kill people while plotting my escape from .sg. |
| 05:59.24 | g3brown | Wyzard: well I can't swear to it, I'm logging into systems now, but i"m pretty sure I have a 3TB windows server. |
| 05:59.27 | rainabba | ouch |
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| 05:59.49 | Guerin | dwu: did i tell you i'm officially a terrrist? |
| 05:59.51 | rainabba | Guerin, That would explain why the screen hasn't changed in nearly a minute. |
| 05:59.56 | dwu | Guerin: Fucking awesome. |
| 05:59.57 | wols_ | Wyzard: some windows versions use GPT. even without EFI |
| 05:59.58 | Wyzard | g3brown: It may be using Microsoft's "dynamic disk" partitioning scheme, or it might just have the disk split into multiple partitions |
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| 06:00.11 | Guerin | rainabba: that's nondebianware for j00. |
| 06:00.20 | Wyzard | wols_: oh? |
| 06:00.34 | Guerin | dwu: funny, everyone says that. |
| 06:00.36 | rainabba | Guerin, nondebianware? Thought we were talking about the Debian Installer? |
| 06:00.48 | g3brown | Wyzard: I'm not tyring to be a jerk here. I'm just trying to partition drive. You either can or you can't You can't say you can't and then turn around and say you can with GPT. |
| 06:00.51 | Guerin | rainabba: you were talking about vmware. Is it in the debian installer now? |
| 06:00.52 | wols_ | Wyzard: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/GPT_FAQ.mspx |
| 06:00.57 | dwu | Guerin: Heh. Well, I nearly got arrested in .nz. once. |
| 06:01.16 | dwu | g3brown: He says you can with GPT and you can't with anything else. Summary. |
| 06:01.19 | rainabba | Guerin, Nope. That was you're misunderstanding. I'm installing Debian in VMWare. |
| 06:01.27 | dwu | "your", goddamnit. |
| 06:01.33 | g3brown | --> g3brown: <Wyzard> g3brown: Not with *any OS*, not with a 64-bit processor, not with anything |
| 06:01.36 | rainabba | New screen!!! :) |
| 06:01.49 | g3brown | dwu: that translates to can't in my book. :) |
| 06:01.51 | beardy | rainabba: We're telling you, that is't your hardware, and/or vmware that is the bottleneck. |
| 06:01.55 | Wyzard | g3brown: ...with a standard MS-DOS partition table |
| 06:01.57 | beardy | it's |
| 06:01.58 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:02.06 | wols_ | g3brown: I know it's hard: but: learn to read |
| 06:02.15 | wols_ | g3brown: and notice some thing called "context" |
| 06:02.39 | dwu | g3brown: Your book is broken. Go back to the first-grade readers and learn to read again. |
| 06:02.57 | rainabba | beardy, So you're saying the installer is notoriously slow? ("that is[n]'t your hardware, and/or vmware that is the bottleneck") |
| 06:03.03 | dwu | ... it's like I never left #debian *sigh* |
| 06:03.03 | Supaplex | !confuse g3brown |
| 06:03.03 | dpkg | Yes, what was their snake yesterday, g3brown? breeches of the democracy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 06:03.22 | dwu | Guerin: Heh, I've never seen you "oh" before :) So how's tricks? |
| 06:04.10 | rainabba | s/is/IS |
| 06:04.16 | beardy | rainabba: In which sentence did I say something that could be interpreted that way? |
| 06:04.17 | Guerin | dwu: good. Finished my research, got a mannijment job, earning bank, and I have minions who do my bidding ;) |
| 06:04.26 | dwu | Guerin: Holy jesus, you is a suit?! |
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| 06:04.34 | Guerin | (and starting more research on the whole terrorism thing next year) |
| 06:04.40 | dondelelcaro | xtor_: which module? |
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| 06:04.43 | g3brown | The context was me asking if I could partition a 3TB partition. A simple (y) or (n) would have done. |
| 06:04.44 | rainabba | "<beardy> rainabba: We're telling you, that is't your hardware, and/or vmware that is the bottleneck." |
| 06:04.54 | Guerin | dwu: i mannij in cargo pants and combat boots and a hoodie, as always |
| 06:05.07 | dwu | Guerin: Wow, ace. |
| 06:05.08 | xtor_ | dondelelcare the pata_marvell module or is it the marvell_pata ? |
| 06:05.10 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | Hi all |
| 06:05.10 | rainabba | beardy, .. Perhaps we speak different dialects of English? |
| 06:05.13 | beardy | rainabba: I think everyone but you got what I meant. |
| 06:05.15 | dwu | Guerin: What kind of mannijment? |
| 06:05.16 | Wyzard | g3brown: On a disk with 512-byte sectors, 3TB is 6442450944 sectors |
| 06:05.18 | beardy | rainabba: Probably. |
| 06:05.25 | slapfaceware | rsync: readlink "/etc/rc3.d/S20assp" failed: Permission denied (13) |
| 06:05.32 | xtor_ | its for the Marvell EIDE controller that intel puts on 965 chipset mobos |
| 06:05.33 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | Does anybody know some software for making a bootable ISO image of a file-tree? |
| 06:05.40 | Guerin | dwu: i run the media analysis team I used to work in |
| 06:05.46 | dondelelcaro | xtor_: that's in the kernel |
| 06:05.49 | Guerin | _s_a_t_a_n_: mkisofs |
| 06:05.51 | kgoetz | _s_a_t_a_n_: mkisofs |
| 06:05.53 | dwu | Guerin: Awesomely cool. |
| 06:05.55 | kgoetz | gah, beat me |
| 06:06.00 | xtor_ | dondelelecaro its not in the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 06:06.03 | dondelelcaro | xtor_: so if it's not in 2.6.18-5, then use 2.6.22-2 et al. |
| 06:06.09 | Wyzard | g3brown: The number 6442450944 in binary is 110000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 06:06.21 | Guerin | dwu: and we have a branch in singsing, so it may eventuate I have to go and set up the same over there |
| 06:06.24 | xtor_ | dondelelcaro I dont want to upgrade my kernel because that will break my system |
| 06:06.29 | Wyzard | g3brown: That's 33 bits long |
| 06:06.31 | rainabba | Bet I could download and install Fedora before the screen changes again ;) |
| 06:06.34 | dwu | Guerin: Uh, like, wow. Uhm, I'll buy you a drink? |
| 06:06.35 | dondelelcaro | xtor_: why? |
| 06:06.38 | dwu | Guerin: Promise :) |
| 06:06.40 | Wyzard | g3brown: An MS-DOS partition table has 32 bits in which to write the number of sectors |
| 06:06.54 | xtor_ | does it matter why? I just dont wanna break my system so I need a back port |
| 06:06.55 | dondelelcaro | xtor_: if you want that module, that's what you have to do. backporting it to 2.6.18-5 is just an unecessary exercise in pain. |
| 06:07.07 | Guerin | dwu: won't be for a while yet, but I will be sure and avail myself of your hospitality should it eventuate. |
| 06:07.07 | dondelelcaro | (and you may end up with a broken system anyway) |
| 06:07.12 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | Guerin, kgoetz ... I have tried but .. quemu does not want to boot that iso. Maybe I put in some wrong params, but i'd like to use some soft with GUI and that is easy to use. Is there any kind of GUI soft for that? |
| 06:07.14 | Guerin | for now, I must make fritters! |
| 06:07.16 | Wyzard | g3brown: You can't write a 33-bit number in 32 bits of space -- that's why you can't make a partition that big with a DOS partition table |
| 06:07.20 | xtor_ | breaking vmware is also an unnecessary excercise in pain. I would rather backport |
| 06:07.24 | dwu | Guerin: Yeah, even if I'm off #debian by then, you have my email :) |
| 06:07.24 | xtor_ | Now how do I backport? |
| 06:07.26 | Guerin | _s_a_t_a_n_: no idea. |
| 06:07.28 | dondelelcaro | xtor_: I ask why because I'm interested in solving people's actual problems, not the problems that they think they have. |
| 06:07.39 | Wyzard | g3brown: Other partition tables may have more space for the number of sectors, probably 64 bits |
| 06:07.40 | dondelelcaro | xtor_: if you're using vmware, there's no reason to need that module. |
| 06:07.40 | Guerin | dwu: quite. As long as you're not in some sort of boot camp. |
| 06:07.45 | wols_ | xtor_: you don't. there are already backports available for what you want |
| 06:07.46 | xtor_ | dondelcaro I already told you why, it breaks vmware |
| 06:07.51 | Wyzard | g3brown: Other partition table *formats*, that is -- such as GPT |
| 06:07.57 | dwu | Guerin: I can get out on weekends IF I am; if not... I may not be in the country *cough* |
| 06:08.02 | xtor_ | wols I looked for that backport on debian.org and it was not there for etch |
| 06:08.08 | kgoetz | _s_a_t_a_n_: you need to have a valid OS in teh file structure, you cant magically make a cd bootable and run |
| 06:08.14 | wols_ | xtor_: debian.org has no backports |
| 06:08.26 | xtor_ | wols they have a whole page dedicated to backports |
| 06:08.35 | xtor_ | and backports.org did not have that either |
| 06:09.26 | wols_ | xtor_: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.22&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports come again? |
| 06:09.51 | xtor | wols excuse me? you were the one who said debian had no backports |
| 06:10.50 | wols_ | xtor: it doesn't. they all lie on backports.org and I found this kernel with the search mask of backports.org |
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| 06:11.15 | xtor | Ok lets go over this again...if I upgrade from kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 then vmware just breaks. I do not want vmware to break hence I seek a backport for the 2.6.18 kernel...does that make sense? |
| 06:11.31 | wols_ | no it does not |
| 06:11.46 | Wyzard | xtor: Are you talking about upgrading your kernel on the host or in the guest? |
| 06:11.47 | wols_ | 2.6.18 doesn't need an etch backport since 2.6.18 already is in standard etch |
| 06:11.55 | xtor | the host |
| 06:11.57 | xtor | not the gues |
| 06:12.01 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | xtor why not to reinstall vmware after update? it isn't a big problem |
| 06:12.01 | wols_ | xtor: we don't support vmware |
| 06:12.09 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 06:12.09 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 06:12.16 | Wyzard | xtor: There's a patch available that makes VMware's kernel modules build against newer kernels |
| 06:12.22 | xtor | why am I arguing endlessly with people here when its a well known fact that VMWARE breaks on the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 06:12.40 | linio | xtor: search for vmware anytoany patch on google |
| 06:12.43 | wols_ | xtor: we don't care. see factoid |
| 06:12.43 | xtor | Wyzard yes I am aware of that patch and I have used that patch and it does not work for me, OK? |
| 06:12.52 | Wyzard | xtor: and actually, the current version of VMware Workstation (6.0.2) builds against 2.6.22 out-of-the-box |
| 06:13.19 | Wyzard | xtor: The latest? vmware-any-any-update114? |
| 06:13.25 | xtor | I am not asking anyone here for vmware support. I didn't even want to mention vmware here. I want to use my STABLE kernel in my STABLE etch box with a back port. |
| 06:13.46 | wols_ | xtor: you are very confused what a backport is |
| 06:13.47 | xtor | Wyzard yes yes yes yes indeed. Cant we stop "supporting" vmware now please? |
| 06:14.02 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | xtor where did u find a cracked version of vmware 6? or a cd key? gimme the link plz :) |
| 06:14.08 | Wyzard | xtor: so what package are you looking for a backport of? |
| 06:14.14 | Wyzard | If your goal is to run 2.6.18, it's already in etch |
| 06:14.18 | xtor | Wyzard oh there is a brand spanking new version of vmware out? |
| 06:14.21 | wols_ | _s_a_t_a_n_: stop that. NOW |
| 06:14.28 | Wyzard | You'd need a backport if you wanted a 2.6.22 package built for etch |
| 06:14.38 | Wyzard | xtor: yeah, 6.0.2 was released a few weeks ago |
| 06:14.43 | xtor | Wyzard doh...yeah...I do run it right now. My goal is to keep running it without upgrading to 2.6.22 |
| 06:14.54 | xtor | hence the need for the marvell backport |
| 06:14.57 | Wyzard | xtor: though even 6.0.1 ran on 2.6.22 without needing the patch |
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| 06:15.33 | Wyzard | xtor: OK, so you're not looking for a backport package, you're looking for a newer version of a single driver |
| 06:15.34 | xtor | Ok but other things can also break with the new kernel...why are you people so against me running the STABLE kernel? |
| 06:15.44 | wols_ | Wyzard: vmware virtualizes the hardware,meaning you don't see the actual iron righ? |
| 06:16.01 | wols_ | xtor: we aren't. you're free to run 2.6.18 |
| 06:16.02 | Wyzard | and the driver isn't a third-party thing, it's part of the standard kernel |
| 06:16.06 | xtor | Wyzard I guess I was confused...isnt a backport for a module an "unofficial" .deb package that delivers a driver to a legacy kernel? |
| 06:16.14 | wols_ | xtor: no |
| 06:16.21 | Wyzard | wols_: Yes, but xtor is talking about the host, the normal unvirtualized system in which the VMware application runs |
| 06:16.28 | Wyzard | wols_: not the virtualized guest |
| 06:16.54 | Wyzard | wols_: VMware has a few kernel modules that it loads in the host kernel in order to make the app work |
| 06:17.05 | wols_ | Wyzard: I know that |
| 06:17.15 | xtor | Ok lets go over this again...I am running kernel 2.6.18 and I do NOT want to upgrade to an unstable kernel. However I still need the marvel_pata module so as to see my EIDE controller(which is secondary and not needed to boot up btw) |
| 06:17.29 | wols_ | xtor: modules for newer hardware isn't backported to older kernels usually |
| 06:17.41 | Wyzard | wols_: OK, I thought you were asking in order to tell xtor that he doesn't need a Marvell driver in a virtual machine |
| 06:17.59 | xtor | ahahah see this is why I did not want to mention vmware |
| 06:18.00 | wols_ | xtor: you can take the marvell_pata source and backport it yourselr. that's your only choice if you insist on 2.6.18 |
| 06:18.04 | wols_ | good luck |
| 06:18.08 | Wyzard | xtor: I'm pretty sure there's no package for that, sorry |
| 06:18.09 | xtor | can we just get vmware completely out of the equation now? |
| 06:18.21 | Wyzard | xtor: VMware aside, you're asking for the 2.6.22 version of a driver in the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 06:18.25 | xtor | wols ok thanks...this is exactly what I was wanting to do...a custom backport |
| 06:18.33 | xtor | wyzard, bingo! |
| 06:18.36 | wols_ | xtor: are you a kernel hacker? |
| 06:18.45 | xtor | No I am not a kernel hacker, whatever that is. |
| 06:18.46 | Wyzard | xtor: You could take the code for the driver from 2.6.22 and build it against 2.6.18 and hope it works, but other than that you're out of luck |
| 06:18.51 | wols_ | xtor: then you can't do this |
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| 06:19.08 | xtor | what is so hard about building a custom driver? |
| 06:19.20 | xtor | you just recompile the kernel, right? |
| 06:19.21 | wols_ | try it and you see |
| 06:19.26 | beardy | It is hard if it's not part of the kernel. |
| 06:19.30 | beardy | Upgrade your kernel? |
| 06:19.38 | wols_ | your driver is not part of the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 06:19.59 | Wyzard | xtor: What is "so hard" about it is that the 2.6.22 version of the driver probably depends on things that aren't in 2.6.18 |
| 06:20.06 | xtor | ok this "driver" can also be loaded as a module right? Like...way way way after the kernel does its booting up? |
| 06:20.13 | wols_ | yes |
| 06:20.25 | Wyzard | xtor: Yes, that's how it's normally loaded |
| 06:20.51 | Wyzard | xtor: In principle you could replace the kernel module with a custom version |
| 06:20.52 | xtor | I dont need the EIDE controller to boot my system up...like its not /boot or /root or / or anything important..its jut an old hard drive I am using to dump big files into |
| 06:21.22 | xtor | hrmmm so you guys are saying this "customization" would keep me preoccupied for weeks? |
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| 06:21.28 | Wyzard | xtor: The problem is in getting the 2.6.22 version of the driver to a) compile successfully against a 2.6.18 kernel, and b) actually work properly when loaded |
| 06:21.42 | wols_ | let's just say: it would be VERY helpful if you could program in C |
| 06:21.48 | Wyzard | xtor: Imagine taking the engine out of a Corvette and putting it into a schoolbus |
| 06:21.57 | xtor | Oh its that bad |
| 06:22.15 | Wyzard | xtor: You can't just plop it in and expect everything to connect up as if it belonged there |
| 06:22.48 | Wyzard | xtor: You'd need some programming skills to modify the 2.6.22 version of the driver to work in the 2.6.18 kernel -- that's what "backporting" actually means |
| 06:22.51 | xtor | Interesting, and I thought compiling a kernel was just 4 steps |
| 06:23.08 | Wyzard | xtor: *Compiling* the kernel is simple |
| 06:23.11 | beardy | xtor: It is, but you don't want to. |
| 06:23.21 | beardy | Why, I wonder. |
| 06:23.40 | Wyzard | xtor: because you're typically compiling code that's all the same version and is already known to work together |
| 06:23.51 | xtor | Well I guess I can just download the 6.02 version of vmware and try that out... |
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| 06:24.08 | rainabba | xtor, It's as easy as driving Wyzard's school-bus. Get in and drive :) |
| 06:24.17 | xtor | I have 4 installs of debian on my box now...grub list is chock full and all of them are wrecked |
| 06:24.28 | rainabba | xtor, have you seen the vmware-any-any scripts? |
| 06:24.43 | xtor | rain yes I tried one of them and it did not help |
| 06:25.25 | Wyzard | xtor: I'm surprised by that, assuming you used a current version, but whatever... I upgraded to 6.0.2 a few days ago on both my i386 laptop and my amd64 desktop, and didn't need vmware-any-any |
| 06:25.29 | rainabba | xtor, Could always use Xen. Maybe even just install Max OSX86 and run Parallels ;) |
| 06:25.34 | Wyzard | running the latest 2.6.22 in sid |
| 06:25.45 | Wyzard | rebuilt the modules just today, in fact, for the new 2.6.22-3 packages |
| 06:25.55 | xtor | Wyzard if you look at the vmware forums another person also had a problem with that patch |
| 06:26.10 | xtor | Does Xen run windows guests? |
| 06:26.22 | wols_ | it does |
| 06:26.28 | xtor | hrmmm |
| 06:26.30 | Wyzard | Only on recent processors with hardware virtualization support |
| 06:26.32 | wols_ | with the proper CPU that is |
| 06:26.34 | rainabba | xtor: afaik. Xen-Express does |
| 06:26.43 | rainabba | as they said |
| 06:26.45 | xtor | Good grief |
| 06:26.50 | Wyzard | and AFAIK it doesn't give you a nice GUI window like VMware does -- you view the emulated videocard's screen with VNC or something |
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| 06:27.08 | rainabba | Wyzard, yep. |
| 06:27.09 | Wyzard | I could be wrong about that though; never tried it myself |
| 06:27.09 | wols_ | Wyzard: lack of I/O virtualization |
| 06:27.10 | xtor | And does Xen also support "para virtualization" which is supposedly faster when the host and guest use the same kernel? |
| 06:27.24 | rainabba | xtor, Absolutely |
| 06:27.53 | Wyzard | xtor: It does paravirtualization when running Linux, but paravirtualization (by definition) requires the guest kernel to be modified for the virtualized environment |
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| 06:28.01 | xtor | Hmmm I have been meaning to try Xen and openVZ for a while. But I still need to keep vmware around cuz it takes time to wean yourself off something |
| 06:28.07 | Wyzard | xtor: That's not an option for Windows, so Windows isn't paravirtualized |
| 06:28.37 | Wyzard | I use Xen on my router/fileserver, which runs Linux and only Linux, and it works great there |
| 06:28.38 | xtor | Wyzard I have noticed opnvz and xen "kernel patches" in synaptic so I am sure that can be achieved |
| 06:28.49 | Wyzard | but for desktop virtualization, especially of Windows, VMware is much better IMO |
| 06:28.49 | slapfaceware | im wondering, what package installs /etc/init.d/assp? |
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| 06:29.22 | moshii | Wyzard: xen can't run windows without hardware support IIRC.. |
| 06:29.26 | Wyzard | xtor: The Xen kernel patches are for the modified paravirtualized Linux kernel... nothing to do with running Windows |
| 06:29.26 | xtor | Well I was only interested in linux host to linux guest paravirtualization for security purposes..sort of like a bsd jail. Doesnt matter about windows |
| 06:29.52 | Wyzard | xtor: You know, Theo de Raadt made some comments recently about how it's stupid to rely on virtualization for security |
| 06:30.25 | Wyzard | xtor: the gist of the comments being that we still can't write applications without security holes, so it's ridiculous to think we can write virtualization software without security holes |
| 06:30.26 | xtor | So its clever to have everything all compromized together instead of splitting things up? |
| 06:30.51 | Wyzard | Splitting a single box into multiple VMs is probably more secure than leaving it as a single system |
| 06:30.57 | dwu | You're misuing "compromised", methinks. |
| 06:31.01 | \amethyst | I think Theo's argument was "I didn't write Xen/vmware/etc, so it must have security holes" |
| 06:31.05 | Wyzard | but it's less secure than multiple, independent boxes |
| 06:31.07 | moshii | Wyzard: and even worse is the the hypervisor, if it does have some sort of hole, has access to all of you virtual machines |
| 06:31.19 | wols_ | xtor: tere have been lots of exploits where a client could influence the host |
| 06:31.20 | xtor | Errrr but to get to the "security hole" in the virtualization software 99% of the time you need to root the guest OS...except in rare cases such as the old vmware NAT vulnerability |
| 06:31.25 | wols_ | almost every vmware version patches some |
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| 06:31.55 | moshii | \amethyst: He's a bit insane at times, but he also makes good points |
| 06:31.58 | xtor | Funny, I have only heard of one vmware security hole and that was years ago with the NAT |
| 06:32.20 | rainabba | I'm telling you, OSX86 (FreeBSD=Secure) + Parallels (Accellerated Video) ;) |
| 06:32.36 | xtor | OSX86 is not free though, is it? |
| 06:32.41 | moshii | xtor: This is a bit different, it's more like the HT-sibling-snooping-on-sibling sort of security problem |
| 06:32.45 | xtor | and doesnt it run rather slow on wintel boxes |
| 06:32.58 | Guerin | !find bin/glxgears sid |
| 06:33.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxgears' (1): (/usr/bin/glxgears) in x11/mesa-utils. |
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| 06:33.53 | rainabba | xtor, I can joke. I can't go that in depth w/o getting kicked. I can tell you that it runs quite nicely on my Dell XPS Gen 2 lappy that is 2 years old (referring to 10.4.8). |
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| 06:34.15 | dwu | OSX86 isn't even -legal-, never mind free. |
| 06:34.16 | Guerin | does glxgears remain the canonical test for whether you have accellerate 3d? |
| 06:34.24 | rainabba | As far as free goes; nothing is free. |
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| 06:34.31 | moshii | Guerin: glxifno | grep direct |
| 06:34.33 | kgoetz | Guerin: glxinfo |grep Dir |
| 06:34.35 | xtor | yeah well I will stick to debian then |
| 06:34.39 | Guerin | rainabba: of course some things are free, don't take the stupid reductionist line |
| 06:34.42 | kgoetz | ah yes, lowercase D (sorry) |
| 06:34.46 | rainabba | xtor, dwu makes a good point. |
| 06:35.06 | Guerin | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 06:35.09 | xtor | dwu? |
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| 06:35.13 | Guerin | grah |
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| 06:35.14 | xtor | oh |
| 06:35.18 | Supaplex | xtor: read the EULA |
| 06:35.29 | xtor | yeah I thought one could buy OSX86...I guess not |
| 06:35.37 | Supaplex | s/read/*study*/ |
| 06:35.46 | moshii | Guerin: x log is probably a better place to research.. usually some /dev node is missing |
| 06:36.04 | rainabba | Guerin, reductionist line? You're talking to an INTJ. Everything gets weighed; time, money, energy, etc... NOTHING is free. |
| 06:36.06 | Supaplex | xtor: apple expressly forbids use of osx on non-apple hardware. (it's in their, go find it) |
| 06:36.15 | xtor | what exactly is Parrallels? Is it apple's enhanced version of BSD Jail? |
| 06:36.26 | Wyzard | xtor: It's a competitor to VMware Workstation, for Mac |
| 06:36.31 | rainabba | Wyzard, Bit more complex than that. |
| 06:36.32 | xtor | Supaplex...that rules OSX out then, as a bill gates like Nazi OS hehe |
| 06:36.43 | moshii | Supaplex: But EULAs aren't legal in a lot of places.. blah blah |
| 06:36.46 | Supaplex | bill doesn't make his own hadware |
| 06:36.48 | xtor | only commie OSes for me...like debian. Or windoze if I get despo. |
| 06:36.54 | Supaplex | he just rebrands it ;) |
| 06:37.10 | Wyzard | xtor: It's a bit more featureful than VMware (rootless mode, and 3D acceleration I think) |
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| 06:37.16 | Supaplex | moshii: exactly. consult your lawyer :) |
| 06:37.59 | rainabba | Parallels 3D is based on WINE. VMware Fusion actually re-wrote DirectX so it works better with a windows guest, but useless with linux guest. |
| 06:38.10 | optraz1 | how what is the command to sort 2nd column? 2nd column is digits |
| 06:38.10 | moshii | rainabba: ? |
| 06:38.31 | rainabba | yes? |
| 06:38.44 | Wyzard | I'm baffled that VMware Inc. chose to implement DirectX acceleration before implementing OpenGL acceleration |
| 06:39.00 | moshii | rainabba: I doubt they re-wrote directx, more like they wrote a driver that passes directx stuff directly to the host to render |
| 06:39.01 | Wyzard | since OpenGL can be passed through to the host on both platforms VMware supports, and DirectX can only be passed through on one |
| 06:39.04 | rainabba | Windows Games on MAC. |
| 06:39.21 | Wyzard | so they really do need to reimplement DirectX on Linux |
| 06:39.26 | rainabba | Focusing on Vista virtualization in particular I think. |
| 06:39.35 | rainabba | Wyzard, huh? |
| 06:39.36 | \amethyst | optraz1: do you mean sort *based on* the second column? and do you want numeric sort or lexicographic sort? |
| 06:39.38 | moshii | Wyzard: or write a wrapper around opengl |
| 06:39.39 | Guerin | (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. well, it's working apart from the dri |
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| 06:40.07 | Wyzard | moshii: Naturally, but wrapping OpenGL with Direct3D is certainly a much bigger task than wrapping OpenGL with OpenGL |
| 06:40.08 | optraz1 | ameyer: sort based on 2nd column? |
| 06:40.18 | axscode | DRI = DiRek Ix |
| 06:40.22 | optraz1 | \amethyst: sort baed on 2nd column |
| 06:40.34 | Wyzard | moshii: since it's a completely different API, there's a lot more "glue" code needed |
| 06:41.14 | moshii | Wyzard: yeah, the point is that there's not point implementing directx.. you would wrap around the existing opengl support |
| 06:41.53 | \amethyst | optraz1: sort -n -k 2 for numeric sort, sort -k 2 for lexicographic |
| 06:42.21 | moshii | Wyzard: As for playing windows games in debian, attempting to make this sort of on topic, there are wine based solutions for that |
| 06:42.23 | optraz1 | mm |
| 06:42.35 | optraz1 | \amethyst: waht is lexicogrpahic? |
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| 06:42.44 | moshii | Wyzard: running realtime stuff in a vm seems like a headache to be honest |
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| 06:43.15 | Wyzard | moshii: I've tried Windows games in VMware... they call the 3D support "experimental" for a reason :-) |
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| 06:44.00 | Wyzard | moshii: I tried running SimCity 4, which uses Direct3D but doesn't do anything advanced, and even that had major problems with layers of the game's graphics just not being drawn in random places |
| 06:44.01 | rainabba | Tried with Fusion. Game didn't even see XP as the O/S and refused to run regardless of Video support. |
| 06:44.12 | moshii | shame console are becoming basically underpowered pc's and there's nothing interesting in them anymore |
| 06:44.43 | beardy | Wyzard: (Note that that game in particular is crappy, graphics wise..) |
| 06:45.06 | Wyzard | Well, I've tried some other games too, and none worked well |
| 06:45.23 | Wyzard | SC4 just seems like it should be the simplest to support |
| 06:45.38 | Wyzard | beardy: What's "crappy" about it, btw? |
| 06:45.40 | muhoo | this is driving me nuts. i have this device. it has worked for years with linux but after upgrading to etch last year, i can't figure out how to get the kernel to recognize this SOB: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=3211 |
| 06:45.44 | \amethyst | moshii: the cell processor is interesting, no? |
| 06:46.14 | muhoo | there is no keyspan driver in the debian kernel, and i can't figure out how to enable it |
| 06:46.27 | muhoo | there is a keyspan_pda driver, and a keyspan_remote driver, but no "keyspan" by itself |
| 06:46.55 | beardy | Wyzard: I tried running it natively, and it just was.. shouldn't be too hard to have a thing like that run smoothly, but it didn't. Not the newest hardware, but the way it lagged was.. special. |
| 06:46.58 | moshii | \amethyst: if you could actually get to the hardware |
| 06:47.15 | muhoo | where can i find this damned driver? |
| 06:47.37 | Wyzard | beardy: It runs fine for me on a 1.8GHz box with an nVidia 6200 |
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| 06:47.47 | beardy | Wyzard: Interesting. |
| 06:47.58 | Wyzard | beardy: It's a little slow to start up now that I have a few hundred megabytes of mods installed, but it's fine once it gets started |
| 06:48.06 | moshii | Wyzard: Games will be shit in a vm IMHO, switching between oses all the time ain't going to help |
| 06:48.19 | Wyzard | moshii: yeah, I don't virtualize real-time games |
| 06:48.44 | Wyzard | I'm not a fan of Wine either... tried it several times and been disappointed with it each time |
| 06:49.20 | wols_ | both, virtualization and wine are only usable for old games |
| 06:49.22 | moshii | Wyzard: works well for a lot of things.. got me through uni with the windows EDA apps I had to use |
| 06:49.27 | wols_ | current games almost never are usable |
| 06:49.30 | beardy | Wyzard: Maybe I should try it again then.. I may have tested it on my (now swapped) nvidia 4200. I also have a 6200 now, and more ram.. Athlon XP 1900+. |
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| 06:50.09 | wols_ | beardy: doubt a 4200 is (much) slower than 6200 |
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| 06:50.31 | sauvin | How to add repos to debian 4.0? What repos to add? |
| 06:50.32 | beardy | wols_: No, not slower perhaps, but less memory. |
| 06:50.44 | Wyzard | beardy: The system requirements say it needs a 32MB card supporting DirectX 7... your 4200 should be fine |
| 06:50.45 | wols_ | 6200 uses main memory RAM |
| 06:50.57 | muhoo | i mean, how could a driver just disappear?! |
| 06:51.03 | beardy | wols_: That 4200 card was higher end consumer card when I bought it, the 6200 lowest end. ;) |
| 06:51.15 | wols_ | muhoo: easy. new kernels sometimes ditch old drivers |
| 06:51.18 | Wyzard | muh2000: Drivers are removed from the kernel eventually if nobody's maintaining them anymore |
| 06:51.20 | wols_ | see ISDN hisax for example |
| 06:51.40 | muhoo | what about the people who have spent money on all those devices though? |
| 06:52.01 | beardy | Wyzard: It wasn't. And that card isn't now, broke after 4 years. |
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| 06:52.13 | dwu | muhoo: Why does the kernel owe it to -you- specifically to have the drivers? |
| 06:52.18 | Wyzard | muh2000: Generally a kernel release will have some notes saying such-and-such driver is deprecated because it's unmaintained, and will be removed if no one steps up to take over maintainership |
| 06:52.22 | dwu | Heck, to anyone? |
| 06:52.22 | moshii | muhoo: If the driver no longer builds and no one wants to fix it.. it goes |
| 06:52.27 | Wyzard | oops, muhoo ^^^ |
| 06:52.51 | Wyzard | muhoo: and a few kernel releases later, the driver will be removed if nobody came forward to fill the role of maintainer |
| 06:53.00 | moshii | Wyzard: I think that only happens if the driver is known to either not work or doesn't build |
| 06:53.00 | muhoo | ah, fuck |
| 06:53.02 | dwu | Circle of life. |
| 06:53.20 | beardy | wols_: Hmm? |
| 06:53.35 | muhoo | there must have been thousands of these things sold |
| 06:53.37 | beardy | wols_: Main memory? |
| 06:53.39 | moshii | Wyzard: there's no point removing a working driver that doesn't need fixing is there |
| 06:53.49 | wols_ | 6200 usually use "turbo cache" |
| 06:53.52 | wols_ | aka main memory |
| 06:53.57 | Wyzard | muhoo: I think the idea is that if not a single person can be found who's willing to maintain the driver, there probably aren't many people still using it |
| 06:54.09 | sauvin | Please pardon me if I'm being rude. I've just installed debian 4.0, coming from a (brief) ubuntu background. How do I add repos so that synaptic can find things like xchat? |
| 06:54.27 | wols_ | !tell sauvin about sources.list |
| 06:54.29 | muhoo | makes sense in theory, but the problem is that anyone maintaining the kernel probably has latest and greatest everything |
| 06:54.35 | dwu | sauvin: Synaptic itself prolly has a GUIey type of thing. |
| 06:54.43 | muhoo | meanwhile, us users can't afford to replace shit on a whim |
| 06:54.43 | sauvin | wols_, if that is what I think it is, THANKS. |
| 06:54.52 | dwu | muhoo: Uhm, no. I still have support for a fairly old Ethernet card. |
| 06:54.54 | beardy | xchat is non-free? |
| 06:55.02 | Wyzard | sauvin: xchat is in the main Debian repository; you don't need to add any sources to install it |
| 06:55.06 | moshii | muhoo: If it got removed it probably didn't work |
| 06:55.09 | wols_ | !info xchat |
| 06:55.13 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 06:55.19 | sauvin | Synaptic couldn't find it. |
| 06:55.25 | muhoo | where would i go to find out when it was removed, by whom, and why? |
| 06:55.32 | muhoo | and the last known working version too. |
| 06:55.35 | moshii | muhoo: LKML |
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| 06:55.46 | Wyzard | sauvin: Did you install from CD, or did you do a netinstall? |
| 06:55.50 | dwu | muhoo: Stop crying about it - "boo hoo, I can't replace shit on whim, EVIL devs!" - seriously. Open Source. |
| 06:56.07 | muhoo | i use open source because i'm poor |
| 06:56.12 | moshii | muhoo: what hardware is it anyway? |
| 06:56.14 | muhoo | mainly |
| 06:56.16 | sauvin | I installed from DVD. |
| 06:56.20 | muhoo | it's a keyspan USB serial device |
| 06:56.27 | dwu | muhoo: So step up and maintain it. |
| 06:56.28 | Wyzard | sauvin: Did you download and burn both DVDs? |
| 06:56.35 | moshii | muhoo: what exactly does it do? |
| 06:56.36 | sauvin | It was a DVD from a magazine. |
| 06:56.41 | Supaplex | muhoo: redhat uses it because they're rich! |
| 06:56.41 | muhoo | dwu: that's why i'm trying to find out when it was removed, last known working version, etc |
| 06:56.49 | sauvin | I TRIED to download the dvds, but the downloads kept freezing. |
| 06:56.52 | Wyzard | sauvin: Debian 4.0 is two DVDs big |
| 06:56.53 | dwu | muhoo: No one's asking you to replace hardware. And you already have the answer. |
| 06:57.05 | sauvin | Not THIS one! |
| 06:57.06 | dwu | Wyzard: Bah, what happened to netinst? o.O |
| 06:57.08 | Wyzard | sauvin: If the magazine only provided the first one, your system doesn't know about half the packages that are available |
| 06:57.22 | sauvin | Ergo, adding repos or something. |
| 06:57.31 | sauvin | I FIGURED I'd be apt-getting a pile of things. |
| 06:57.36 | dwu | sauvin: sources.list, you've already been !told by dpkg. |
| 06:57.40 | moshii | muhoo: if it's a usb to serial converter, maybe the driver was merged into a bigger universal one |
| 06:57.45 | Wyzard | sauvin: yeah, I see your point; I was assuming you already had an entry for the online Debian repository |
| 06:57.49 | sauvin | So I have, and now I get busy reading. |
| 06:57.51 | muhoo | moshii: that's what i was hoping |
| 06:58.09 | muhoo | it seems like a very generic device |
| 06:58.20 | moshii | muhoo: have you ran the update usbids script.. |
| 06:58.25 | Wyzard | sauvin: Doesn't synaptic have a built-in window for adding and enabling repositories? |
| 06:58.32 | sauvin | Do aptitude and synaptic manipulate the same db? |
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| 06:58.36 | Wyzard | sauvin: (I'm asking because I've actually never used synaptic in Debian, only in Ubuntu) |
| 06:58.38 | wols_ | sauvin: yes |
| 06:58.39 | Wyzard | sauvin: yes |
| 06:58.42 | sauvin | Cool. |
| 06:58.42 | muhoo | moshii: no, i didn't know anything about that |
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| 06:58.56 | moshii | muhoo: it might be supported by a driver, but it doesn't know the usb-id of that device, hence doesn't claim it |
| 06:59.07 | dwu | sauvin: They're all frontends to apt. |
| 06:59.10 | sauvin | I've used synaptic in ubuntu, but this is quite literally my first fifteen minutes in debian. |
| 06:59.18 | beardy | dwu: No. |
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| 06:59.21 | Wyzard | muhoo: Does that USB-to-serial adapter have any special unique features, or is it just an ordinary serial port? |
| 06:59.25 | dwu | beardy: uhm. no? |
| 06:59.31 | muhoo | Wyzard: it's totaly generic |
| 06:59.34 | dwu | *squint* oh. |
| 06:59.36 | beardy | dwu: They are front-ends to dpkg. |
| 06:59.38 | dwu | aptitude. |
| 06:59.42 | moshii | muhoo: what does dmesg spit out when you plug it in? |
| 06:59.47 | muhoo | moshii: nothing |
| 06:59.48 | dwu | beardy: Bleh, my bad. |
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| 07:00.15 | moshii | muhoo: do you have usb-utils (i think, could be usb-tools) installed? |
| 07:00.17 | muhoo | ok, i ran update-usbid's. now what do i do to get it to take effect |
| 07:00.52 | muhoo | nomasteryoda|w: no such package as usb-utils |
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| 07:01.06 | muhoo | however, i have usbutils installed |
| 07:01.12 | sauvin | OK, this is potentially very useful info. The sources I have currently listed in sources.list are "security.debian.org" |
| 07:01.15 | muhoo | and i ran the update-usbids script |
| 07:01.16 | moshii | muhoo: lsusb |
| 07:01.22 | Wyzard | muhoo: Then you can replace it pretty inexpensively: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812119002 |
| 07:01.32 | muhoo | oh wait, that looks good |
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| 07:01.33 | Wyzard | muhoo: I have one of those and I know that it works with recent kernels |
| 07:01.33 | muhoo | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 06cd:0121 Keyspan USA-19hs serial adapter |
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| 07:01.48 | dwu | sauvin: You'll prolly need more than that, debian.org has a list of repositories - somewhere. |
| 07:01.55 | Wyzard | yeah, but showing up in lsusb doesn't mean there's actually a driver for it |
| 07:02.06 | moshii | muhoo: I have a feeling a generic drive has claimed your device and it is working |
| 07:02.07 | muhoo | but udev hasn't created anu /dev/ttyUSBS00 |
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| 07:02.26 | muhoo | moshii: i'd love that, but, sadly, no. it's no working, there is no /dev/ttyUSBx |
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| 07:03.13 | sauvin | All I ask is to get started. Once I get this silly thing running KDE, I'll be a lot more comfortable. |
| 07:03.36 | moshii | sauvin: silly thing? |
| 07:03.46 | beardy | sauvin: I'd prefer it if you start using your virtual terminals. |
| 07:03.50 | muhoo | Wyzard: will that one work with linux. $10 is fine by me |
| 07:04.03 | ErichDotzer | sauvin: what is missing? |
| 07:04.16 | muhoo | sucks though becuase i paid $35 for the one that worked for years and won't anymore |
| 07:04.26 | Wyzard | muhoo: Yep, it works fine with 2.6.22 |
| 07:04.35 | dwu | Oh, sell it for 10 dollars and get the new one for free then :| |
| 07:05.02 | beardy | sauvin: Have you done what dpkg told you, about your sources.list? |
| 07:05.06 | muhoo | who'd buy it? i don't have the windoze drivers for it, and, um, it doesn't work with linux anymore |
| 07:05.18 | Wyzard | muhoo: I just plugged it in to double-check, since I last used it with 2.6.21 -- it's a "Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor", supported by the pl2303 driver, and it's detected automatically -- /dev/ttyUSB0 shows up immediately after I plug it in |
| 07:05.48 | muhoo | thanks much. ok, well, i guess i'll have to solve this by spending money, but at least it's cheap |
| 07:06.03 | dwu | muhoo: Right, because there's no way anyone would be able to find drivers for windows online. Like, wow. |
| 07:06.13 | moshii | muhoo: use an older kernel to do some freelance work to save up the money for a new one ;) |
| 07:06.23 | ErichDotzer | dwu: why do you bring your #perl attitude to #debian? |
| 07:06.34 | dwu | ErichDotzer: Uhm. |
| 07:06.36 | beardy | sauvin: <cc> means countrycode btw, if you got stuck on that, like us, de, uk, fr, se, or what is closest to you. |
| 07:06.39 | muhoo | i have no idea how to find windoze drivers; i don't care to find out :-) |
| 07:06.49 | dwu | muhoo: Yeah, but the person -buying- it could. |
| 07:06.51 | sauvin | Beardy, I most certainly have, and now it can find xchat. |
| 07:06.58 | sauvin | beardy, I THANK you. |
| 07:06.59 | beardy | sauvin: Great :) |
| 07:07.24 | sauvin | I wonder what else it can find? I assume ubuntu's repos would be more restrictive. |
| 07:07.25 | muhoo | then i'll put the old one in my TO EBAY box, and order this new one, and see how it goes. |
| 07:07.28 | muhoo | thanks |
| 07:07.35 | Wyzard | muhoo: http://www.keyspan.com/downloads/ probably has the Windows driver :-) |
| 07:07.36 | sauvin | Now... what's the best way to install kde? |
| 07:07.52 | Wyzard | muhoo: Unfortunately, the item I linked is out-of-stock at newegg, so you'll have to find it elsewhere |
| 07:08.10 | dwu | muhoo: Hey, maybe a kernel hacker will buy it and provide drivers... ;) |
| 07:08.33 | beardy | sauvin: If you run 'aptitude' without any folliwing options, you get a curses interface, where you can search (with / ) or jsut browse the list of packages. I'm sure synaptic works simillarly. |
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| 07:09.24 | muhoo | dwu: i'm still tempted to find the fucking code for teh old driver, have a look at one of the simple usb serial drivers for teh new kernel, read some docs, and port the fucking thing myself |
| 07:09.24 | sauvin | I'm sure it does, but... there's a PILE of stuff there :\ |
| 07:09.50 | beardy | sauvin: aptitude(or apt-get) search "some keyword" |
| 07:09.52 | muhoo | but it's not worth $10 of time, probably |
| 07:09.56 | dwu | muhoo: Seee.... what did I say ;) |
| 07:09.58 | beardy | sauvin: What are you generally looking for? |
| 07:10.05 | muhoo | thanks again |
| 07:10.05 | heffay | hi can someone help me figure out why my pcmcia cards arent't being detected? |
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| 07:10.45 | sauvin | I think I'll just honk on "kde" and let it download all the other stuff it wants to download, see what that does. |
| 07:10.51 | beardy | s/folliwing/following/ |
| 07:10.55 | beardy | !install kde |
| 07:10.55 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 07:11.04 | sauvin | Generallly, my Ubuntu environment was KDE, and that's what I want. |
| 07:11.17 | dwu | sauvin: apt-cache search | grep ^kde | less ; browse away and find something you like. |
| 07:11.19 | beardy | sauvin: ^^ what dpkg said, regarding that |
| 07:11.24 | Wyzard | heffay: Old old 16-bit PCMCIA? Or (more likely) 32-bit CardBus? |
| 07:11.33 | heffay | 16bit |
| 07:11.51 | sauvin | Yup, yes, what dpkg said, that's what I'll do. it looks... promising. |
| 07:12.05 | Guerin | graah, why don't I gots no AGPs! |
| 07:12.19 | Wyzard | heffay: 16-bit PCMCIA cards are a lot like ISA cards -- they aren't really "detected" automatically like PCI (and CardBus) devices are, so you have to configure them manually |
| 07:12.23 | beardy | Guerin: Good question.. |
| 07:12.40 | beardy | Guerin: You had old hardware IIRC, but no AGP? |
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| 07:12.50 | sauvin | Next question: I presume that "official" and/or "trusted" repos for debian are more inclusive than the ones for ubuntu. Can anybody confirm or deny this presumption? |
| 07:13.33 | Guerin | beardy: no, I DO have AGP - but my shiny new 2004 grafix card says (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. |
| 07:13.34 | Wyzard | heffay: Take a look at the pcmciautils package |
| 07:13.38 | beardy | sauvin: I'm not sure how many packages are in ubuntu. |
| 07:13.56 | Wyzard | sauvin: Debian is significantly bigger than Ubuntu |
| 07:14.05 | beardy | Guerin: Oh. Compile time, or module fiddling. |
| 07:14.29 | beardy | Wyzard: That was my immediate assumption, but I didn't want to be wrong, in case I was. |
| 07:14.33 | sauvin | I think synaptic counted something like five thousand packages... |
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| 07:14.47 | beardy | sauvin: Well, Debian has more than 15k. |
| 07:14.52 | Wyzard | Look at it this way: Ubuntu comes on one CD. Debian comes on 21 CDs. |
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| 07:15.01 | beardy | !etch |
| 07:15.01 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 07:15.07 | Guerin | beardy: but which module? Nowhere is it made clear. |
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| 07:15.19 | beardy | Mhmm, for sarge it said the number of packages! |
| 07:15.29 | sauvin | I gambled you're right, but it's not precisely why I'm jumping to debian. I got fried out at ubuntu for treating me like a child. |
| 07:15.36 | Wyzard | beardy: 18733 packages according to the front page of debian.org |
| 07:15.46 | sauvin | but... CRAP, man, debian is FAST! |
| 07:16.24 | beardy | Guerin: Hmm, well I have only used nvidia, but I'm sure the AGP thingy was a general one.. |
| 07:16.34 | streuner_ | beardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29 -> Package classification and support |
| 07:16.51 | moshii | sauvin: um, it's all the same, unless ubuntu builds stuff totally retarded |
| 07:16.54 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable NCQ for my disk? |
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| 07:17.18 | sauvin | ubuntu has a debian base, and ubuntu itself is zippy enough... DAMN zippy if you're used to Fedora Cora. Debian is even faster. |
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| 07:17.29 | heffay | pcmciautils looks like its for 2.6 |
| 07:17.33 | heffay | im on 2.4 |
| 07:17.36 | streuner_ | beardy: "Universe" are prolly the other 15.000 packages... ;-) |
| 07:17.45 | harpal | HardDisk_WP, Is your kernel is working? |
| 07:17.46 | streuner_ | beardy: (Debian) |
| 07:17.51 | moshii | sauvin: so what you're talking about is the amount of shit installed by default |
| 07:17.53 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: The "-Q" option of hdparm looks like it might do that, but why would you want to disable NCQ? |
| 07:18.21 | Wyzard | heffay: oh, you're running an old release of Debian... look at pcmcia-cs instead, then |
| 07:18.23 | sauvin | No... I'm talking about what I can find in repos all set and ready to go. |
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| 07:18.59 | sauvin | I'll build stuff if I have to, but, well... I tried CentOS for a couple of days and got fried out at IT for refusing to build octave. |
| 07:19.24 | Wyzard | sauvin: Well, Octave is packaged in Debian, so you don't need to build it :-) |
| 07:19.30 | moshii | sauvin: Why build stuff, there are generally perfectly good binary packages around |
| 07:19.41 | Wyzard | sauvin: (FWIW, building stuff from source is generally not preferable anyway) |
| 07:19.44 | heffay | small problem wizard, i cant download anything because one of the pcmcia cards is my network adaptor |
| 07:19.53 | sauvin | moshii, not for centos, and I wasn't willing to risk corruption of some kind by using an RH package. |
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| 07:19.59 | mbuf | for apt-pinning in sources.list we should include testing/unstable as mentioned here: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html, , or use sid as listed here, http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/sources.list ? |
| 07:20.01 | moshii | comparing "linux" is apples and oranges to be honest though |
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| 07:20.15 | Wyzard | sauvin: "corruption" by using a vendor-supported package? |
| 07:20.27 | heffay | everything was working before the update, is there a way i can revert? |
| 07:20.34 | Wyzard | oh, NM, RH package on CentOS |
| 07:21.03 | sauvin | Correct. |
| 07:21.11 | sauvin | As much as possible, I DO like to use a package manager. |
| 07:21.34 | Wyzard | sauvin: Well, Debian has the largest set of supported packages of any distro I've ever heard of |
| 07:21.35 | sauvin | CentOS made that hard to do. Ubuntu, SUBSTANTIALLY less so. |
| 07:21.43 | moshii | sauvin: I hate to say it but, CentOS refusing to build something would be wholly your error |
| 07:21.55 | sauvin | moshii, no, it was a compiler version problem. |
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| 07:22.22 | moshii | sauvin: so you use a different one.. |
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| 07:22.30 | Wyzard | Doesn't CentOS have several different versions of GCC packaged? |
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| 07:22.51 | sauvin_agh | moshii, or, I jump to a distro that makes better sense on a laptop anyway. |
| 07:22.53 | Wyzard | Debian has 3.3 through 4.3 |
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| 07:23.38 | HardDisk_WP | harpal, Wyzard: occasionnally there are ncq timeouts in dmesg |
| 07:23.53 | Wyzard | lol... <mrc8> sweet.. apache and php are running on my ipod |
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| 07:24.02 | HardDisk_WP | but the disk itself is OK; let 6h non-stop fsck the whole thing, and all was fine |
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| 07:24.41 | sauvin | Folks, thank you VERY MUCH for giving me what I needed to get xchat going. |
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| 07:25.34 | slapfaceware | where do i install this: /usr/share/assp |
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| 07:25.41 | muhoo | ah, i found the problem |
| 07:25.47 | sauvin | And now, octave is installing. Boom. Thanks AGAIN. |
| 07:25.53 | slapfaceware | how do i install this: /usr/share/assp |
| 07:26.17 | dondelelcaro | !+find share/assp |
| 07:26.18 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:26.19 | moshii | sauvin: that's called proper packaging.. |
| 07:26.23 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: That could be a bad cable or something |
| 07:26.24 | muhoo | the keyspan.c driver was REMOVED from the MAKEFILE in kernel 2.6.18, which is what i have for etch. the code is still there, it was just yanked from the config. |
| 07:26.34 | muhoo | but, it is back in 2.6.21 |
| 07:26.43 | muhoo | and probably in 2.6.22 |
| 07:26.43 | slapfaceware | assp is on one debian, but not on another debian. i wonder why |
| 07:26.43 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: and disabling NCQ might just turn the NCQ timeouts into something else, like DMA timeouts |
| 07:26.49 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, dunno, it's a notebook |
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| 07:27.07 | HardDisk_WP | i'd guess something like buggy firmware in disk or controller |
| 07:27.10 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: the debian 2.6.22-2 kernel has it enabled |
| 07:27.12 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: If it doesn't happen often and it's not causing problems, I'd just ignore it |
| 07:27.27 | dondelelcaro | !+kernel config |
| 07:27.27 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'll go grab that then. |
| 07:27.27 | dpkg | See /boot/config-* for debian kernels which you have installed, or http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ for other official kernels. |
| 07:27.31 | Wyzard | muhoo: weird |
| 07:27.35 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: see above if you want to know about the other ones |
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| 07:27.45 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, well when it occurs it freezes system for two secs or so |
| 07:27.49 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: I'm assuming you're talking about CONFIG_KEYSPAN_REMOTE |
| 07:27.51 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: My sid 2.6.22 has no "keyspan" module... |
| 07:27.53 | muhoo | no |
| 07:27.55 | HardDisk_WP | but it doesnt occur oftne |
| 07:28.00 | slapfaceware | nobody can help me? |
| 07:28.06 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: CONFIG_KEYSPAN |
| 07:28.16 | sauvin | Yes, it's called "proper packaging". It's also called "debian has its act together". |
| 07:28.20 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: , actually CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN |
| 07:28.38 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_PDA is enabled, but not just CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN |
| 07:28.45 | muhoo | no no no. i do NOT want PDA |
| 07:28.47 | muhoo | or REMOTE |
| 07:28.49 | muhoo | just CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN |
| 07:28.52 | muhoo | that is the device i have |
| 07:28.57 | muhoo | the code for that module makes it pretty clear |
| 07:29.02 | muhoo | keyspan.o |
| 07:29.09 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: Check for BIOS updates for the laptop -- those often include firmware updates for controllers on the motherboard |
| 07:29.11 | muhoo | not the same as keyspan_pda |
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| 07:29.21 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, bios is up-to-date |
| 07:29.28 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: if it's something that can be, then file a bug against linux-2.6 asking for it to be built and rebuild the kernel with it. |
| 07:29.49 | dondelelcaro | (since the config option is there, it's just not enabled) |
| 07:29.50 | muhoo | i'm going to try debian 2.6.22 kernel first |
| 07:30.05 | Wyzard | muhoo: 2.6.22 doesn't have a keyspan module either |
| 07:30.12 | Wyzard | muhoo: I'm running it and I just checked |
| 07:30.12 | muhoo | ah, hmm. |
| 07:30.20 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: there's no point, 2.6.22-2 doesn't have CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN |
| 07:30.27 | muhoo | but if it has the CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN option, i can just make menuconfig and enable ti |
| 07:30.30 | muhoo | it |
| 07:30.38 | muhoo | and rebuild, no problem there |
| 07:30.45 | dondelelcaro | sure; just rebuild the kernel package. |
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| 07:31.00 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: /msg dpkg kp mantra; if you need help with that. |
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| 07:31.10 | slapfaceware | assp, anyone |
| 07:31.11 | muhoo | make-kpkg and i are good friends |
| 07:31.19 | slapfaceware | plz help my assp asap |
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| 07:31.36 | Wyzard | muhoo: "# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN is not set" in my /boot/config-2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 07:31.38 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: stop repeating, and nothing in Debian that I know of creats that directory |
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| 07:31.45 | Wyzard | muhoo: so it looks like it's supported if you rebuild |
| 07:31.53 | slapfaceware | so which package is it |
| 07:31.57 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: see packages.debian.org if you want to look for yoursle.f |
| 07:31.57 | slapfaceware | i can't find it |
| 07:32.10 | muhoo | yeah, i'll do that. is it worth filing a bts to ask to have it enabled? or is there a good reason why it is not? |
| 07:32.13 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: what file in that directory are you looking for it? |
| 07:32.26 | wols_ | what is assp? |
| 07:32.33 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: file a bug in the bts either way if there isn't one already; it's possible that the kernel maintainers overlooked it. |
| 07:32.44 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: if there's a good reason, they'll close the bug with an explanation |
| 07:32.50 | muhoo | ok, thanks. will do |
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| 07:33.06 | slapfaceware | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.35 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: because no package that you have installed creates that directory. What do you expect to be there? |
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| 07:33.48 | slapfaceware | so why is it there and why is it not |
| 07:34.04 | heffay | i still cant get these pcmcia cards to come on |
| 07:34.05 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: it's either there or it isn't. Your question is unparseable. |
| 07:34.10 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: According to packages.debian.org, no package in Debian includes a /usr/share/assp |
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| 07:34.20 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:34.31 | SpeedyG | dondelelcaro: he's talking about two boxes/installs I guess |
| 07:34.33 | slapfaceware | but why does it exist on my debian |
| 07:34.47 | slapfaceware | i have one debian with /usr/share/assp, one debian without it |
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| 07:34.56 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: if it exists on your Debian install, then something that you installed created it. If you're not sure what, use dpkg -S usr/share/assp |
| 07:34.59 | dwu | What does /usr/share/assp contain? |
| 07:35.02 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: Maybe it was created by something else that you installed manually |
| 07:35.11 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: or by an unofficial third-party package |
| 07:35.17 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: if that doesn't return anything, then it's got nothing to do with Debian. |
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| 07:36.23 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 07:36.33 | dwu | moinmoin. |
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| 07:37.16 | cahoot | someone set up an antispam proxy on your system slapfaceware ? |
| 07:37.17 | kanaldrache | I have to patch the kernel in order to use a 3ware raid controller ... the patch is minimal and it would be extremly helpful if i could just add the patch to the standard debian kernel source package without using make-kpkg |
| 07:37.38 | slapfaceware | cahoot, spamd, spamasassin |
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| 07:37.51 | kanaldrache | Is there a way to dpkg-buildpackage just one kernel flavour without building the whole set of packages included in the linux-2.6 source package? |
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| 07:38.15 | slapfaceware | but those are packages |
| 07:38.16 | wols_ | yes, use make-kpkg for example |
| 07:38.17 | dwu | slapfaceware: It would seem to be something from http://assp.sourceforge.net/ - which isn't spamd or spamassasin :) |
| 07:38.21 | HardDisk_WP | kanaldrache, tried make-kpkg? |
| 07:38.30 | dwu | ("assp", hrm, clever) |
| 07:38.38 | HardDisk_WP | kanaldrache, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image should do everything for you |
| 07:38.54 | HardDisk_WP | reboot, afk |
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| 07:39.27 | slapfaceware | so what is it.. i wonder |
| 07:39.50 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: dpkg -S /some/path |
| 07:40.01 | slapfaceware | returns nothing |
| 07:40.08 | kanaldrache | Huh? I thought make-kpkg would be the tool to generate a debian kernel from a oroginal kernelsource? How would i generate a xen package in this way? |
| 07:40.40 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: so it's not part of Debian |
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| 07:45.22 | moshii | kanaldrache: your question is probably answered somewhere in /usr/share/doc |
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| 07:45.39 | moshii | kanaldrache: ie, the docs that come with the kernel patch |
| 07:46.38 | kanaldrache | It's also explained in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
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| 07:48.15 | wols_ | kanaldrache: make-kpkg works with pretty much any kernel tree |
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| 07:59.47 | sauvin | Somebody should have warned me debian is so damn fast. |
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| 08:00.32 | moshii | sauvin: yeah, it's faster than a really fast thingy |
| 08:01.22 | cast | blackadder++ |
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| 08:01.47 | sauvin | Well, I went from Fedora Core 6 (sorta slow) to Ubuntu (damn zippy) to CentOS (pretty darned sluggish), now to debian (fasten your seat belts, kiddies, and DON'T BLINK) |
| 08:02.46 | moshii | sauvin: In what respect is it fast? |
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| 08:03.42 | sauvin | I'm in KDE right now, and it's shuffling windows around so easily it's like using a computer three or four times faster than what I actually have. |
| 08:04.00 | sauvin | Flipping thing can even list a directory containing thousands of files noticeably faster. |
| 08:04.33 | moshii | so if anything you have the right drivers for your graphics chipset, or don't have so much background shit running that you can notice the difference |
| 08:04.44 | Rhoruns | is anyone here knowledgable with SMTP/SMTP servers? |
| 08:04.56 | dwu | sauvin: You -want- them to blink in those situations, it's not pretty when their eyes dry out and shrivel up from going at speed ;) |
| 08:04.58 | beardy | Rhoruns: Ask your question instead. |
| 08:05.03 | moshii | that isn't really debian being fast, that just it not installing loads of stuff you don't need |
| 08:05.24 | dwu | moshii: Work smart, not fast? I'll drink to that. |
| 08:05.29 | Rhoruns | alright then. Why can't my SMTP server resolve a DNS? lol |
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| 08:05.34 | sauvin | Hell, synaptic is faster. MUCH faster. |
| 08:05.53 | twb | Hullo, space-monkeys! /sbin/depmod is segfaulting; how can I find out why? |
| 08:06.04 | moshii | sauvin: maybe DMA is working on your disks now too.. |
| 08:06.11 | beardy | Rhoruns: I don't see what that has to do with smtp.. |
| 08:06.11 | jimlocker | you can make debian install lots of stuff you don't need easily enough. "apt-get install gnome". |
| 08:06.20 | dwu | heh. |
| 08:06.22 | sauvin | That's possible. |
| 08:06.37 | beardy | Rhoruns: Can you resolve anything at all? |
| 08:06.49 | sauvin | Anybody know how to get libdvdcss? |
| 08:06.56 | beardy | !libdvdcss |
| 08:06.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat>, or <debian-unofficial> |
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| 08:07.03 | Rhoruns | well, i'm not even sure what the hell is going on. i'm trying to use a PHP script to send mail, and i appearantly had to install an SMTP server. |
| 08:07.12 | wols_ | !tell sauvin about marillat |
| 08:07.15 | jimlocker | Those URLs don't work. |
| 08:07.16 | beardy | !tell sauvin -about marillat |
| 08:07.19 | moshii | sauvin: These things aren't features of debian, the fact is stuff actually gets tested in debian.. so stuff is more likely to work as intended ;) |
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| 08:07.24 | jimlocker | or, rather, THAT URL doesn't work |
| 08:07.29 | beardy | Oh, wel, there you have it. :) |
| 08:07.40 | wols_ | Rhoruns: debian always comes with a smtp server by default. if it hasn't one, it's broken |
| 08:07.51 | moshii | Rhoruns: PHP can send mail to an external smtp server also |
| 08:07.52 | sauvin | yea, but mplayer, I believe, won't deal with dvd movies without libdvdcss. |
| 08:08.08 | Rhoruns | hmm.. |
| 08:08.20 | Rhoruns | moshii, know of any decent smtp servers? :) |
| 08:08.21 | moshii | Rhoruns: maybe the script you're using is trying to send mail using something like "sendmail" locally on the machine |
| 08:08.29 | sauvin | How do I get dpkg to tell me about stuff? |
| 08:08.32 | beardy | Rhoruns: You already have exim installed, as said. |
| 08:08.43 | dwu | sauvin: /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 08:08.44 | beardy | sauvin: /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 08:08.50 | dwu | beardy: Ha. Ha. :) |
| 08:08.56 | moshii | Rhoruns: the debian base install has exim, you have to have a MTA installed.. you can't remove exim without replacing it |
| 08:08.56 | beardy | dwu: Hehe :) |
| 08:09.08 | Rhoruns | what's an MTA? |
| 08:09.11 | wols_ | !MTA |
| 08:09.12 | dpkg | i heard mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim4, postfix, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 08:09.22 | sauvin | Ah, yes, thanks. |
| 08:09.49 | Rhoruns | bah... i'm about ready to rip all my hair out |
| 08:10.00 | moshii | Rhoruns: what is the script? |
| 08:10.18 | Rhoruns | well.. eh.. it's actually phpBB |
| 08:10.26 | Rhoruns | i can't send confirmation emails, etc. |
| 08:10.33 | dwu | beardy: :) |
| 08:10.34 | beardy | Rhoruns: You need to define your problem. Can you resolve anything? |
| 08:10.38 | wols_ | what happens if you try? errors? logs? |
| 08:10.52 | beardy | refine/define |
| 08:10.53 | moshii | Rhoruns: what does the mail config look like in phpbb? where have you told it the smtp relay is etc |
| 08:11.16 | Rhoruns | there is no mail config. it somply uses the mail() function i think. |
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| 08:11.55 | moshii | Rhoruns: that uses sendmail on the machine if I remember correctly |
| 08:12.03 | Rhoruns | forget it guys. i'm sorry for wasting your time. |
| 08:12.11 | Rhoruns | i'll just go shoot myself now |
| 08:12.14 | Rhoruns | cya later. >.< |
| 08:12.15 | moshii | Rhoruns: but sendmail wraps arounds whatever mail system you have these days |
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| 08:13.03 | beardy | Rhoruns: 1. Don't give up so easily. 2. Not really a ncie thing to joke about. |
| 08:13.20 | moshii | try and help the guy and he runs away, turd |
| 08:14.36 | dwu | ... and I thought I had self-esteem issues o.O |
| 08:15.03 | dwu | beardy++ # encouragement! |
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| 08:16.05 | moshii | I guess he's been asked/or has offered to install phpbb for someone and now can't get it working.. |
| 08:16.12 | cydork | damn it.. somebody would have told him to video tape it.. |
| 08:16.56 | moshii | I presume he has a chroot setup or php in safemode, and that's why it can't access sendmail to send mail.. oh well |
| 08:17.35 | beardy | moshii: I presume he just hasn't configured exim. But your first assumption is probably correct. |
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| 08:18.00 | beardy | Most likely a forum for a gameclan. |
| 08:18.15 | moshii | beardy: yes that too I suppose. Half of finding a solution is to understand the problem though |
| 08:19.04 | beardy | moshii: Indeed. |
| 08:20.02 | beardy | moshii: Check what uses most memory? |
| 08:20.49 | sauvin | That solves THAT problem. Thanks! |
| 08:21.35 | moshii | beardy: xorg by the look of it, but I'm not sure if that includes the chunk it's stealing for the graphics chipset/dri |
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| 08:22.16 | moshii | the machine isn't slow, to start with but after a couple days it's exhausted all the real memory and everything turns to shit |
| 08:22.20 | beardy | moshii: What graphics card driver? |
| 08:22.29 | moshii | i845 I think |
| 08:22.31 | simonrvn | dwu: hey there |
| 08:23.18 | beardy | moshii: Well, wait until it starts doing it and check, then you'll know.. |
| 08:23.24 | dwu | simonrvn: hey *hugs* how's tricks? |
| 08:24.06 | moshii | beardy: it's doing it right now.. like unminimize any window in kde, crunch, crunch, swapping pages in/out, crunch |
| 08:24.24 | simonrvn | dwu: *hug* purdy good, you? |
| 08:25.35 | moshii | beardy: going to reboot later and use atop to work out what is causing it.. atop shows process grow etc :) |
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| 08:26.07 | beardy | moshii: Just kill X and see.. |
| 08:28.04 | amirf_ | hi how i can see what users are in a group ? |
| 08:28.44 | dwu | amirf_: "groups <user>" |
| 08:29.07 | dwu | EH |
| 08:29.13 | dwu | No, ignore me, I misread :| |
| 08:29.25 | amirf_ | dwu: this will give me by "user" i wanne get a list by groups! |
| 08:29.37 | dwu | amirf_: Yeah, yeah, I know, -sorry-. |
| 08:29.49 | amirf_ | dwu: so how ? |
| 08:30.04 | dwu | Nope, don't know. I misread the first time. |
| 08:30.09 | cahoot | like grep audio /etc/group |
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| 08:30.27 | dwu | sweet \o/ |
| 08:31.28 | amirf_ | cahoot: 10x |
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| 08:37.07 | beardy | amirf_: grep audio /etc/group | cut -d: -f 4 |
| 08:37.28 | dwu | beardy: OK, now you're just showing off :) |
| 08:37.33 | dwu | ++ tho :) |
| 08:37.47 | beardy | ;) |
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| 08:46.46 | slapfaceware | if a file is like ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/rc2.d/S20assp, how can i remove it? |
| 08:49.54 | linio | slapfaceware: become sysadm_r ? |
| 08:50.22 | linio | is it a selinux box? |
| 08:50.48 | slapfaceware | no |
| 08:50.51 | slapfaceware | it's debian |
| 08:51.16 | sauvin | Dumb question. When I wanted to build something under ubuntu, I had to apt-get a "build-essentials" package first. Is such a step necessary in etch? |
| 08:51.46 | cahoot | !b-e |
| 08:51.47 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 08:51.53 | linio | slapfaceware: and kernel from debian? or with patches like grsec? |
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| 08:52.27 | slapfaceware | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.29 | slapfaceware | from deb |
| 08:52.41 | slapfaceware | reiserfs |
| 08:52.44 | slapfaceware | raid1 |
| 08:53.30 | cydork | slapfaceware: power failure? |
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| 08:53.53 | slapfaceware | yes powerfailure and yet i can still ssh into it |
| 08:54.04 | skandaleras | sauvin: you'll need apt-get build-dep DEBIAN_PACKAGE |
| 08:54.10 | cydork | slapfaceware: hope you have backup.. |
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| 08:54.30 | slapfaceware | why, can i reboot it and fsck it |
| 08:54.55 | sauvin | You'll have to fsck it and THEN reboot it. |
| 08:55.25 | sauvin | We've already had this conversation. Trust me, unless you mislead somebody, you won't get a different answer from somebody who understands the problem. |
| 08:55.48 | slapfaceware | but how do unmount it |
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| 08:56.20 | xlotlu | slapfaceware: mount -o remount,ro |
| 08:56.37 | sauvin | While something is running on it, you DON'T. You boot to something else that can access that device. |
| 08:57.03 | slapfaceware | mail server runs on it |
| 08:57.10 | slapfaceware | what does that command do, xlotlu |
| 08:57.17 | sauvin | then somebody ain't gonna get his email for the next few minutes or so. |
| 08:57.31 | slapfaceware | then i can't do that |
| 08:57.31 | sauvin | it remounts the fs read-only. |
| 08:57.41 | sauvin | If you can't do that, you're screwed. |
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| 08:58.04 | sauvin | That filesystem is CORRUPT and it needs an fsck. |
| 08:58.26 | liable | touch /forcefsck reboot |
| 08:58.31 | dwu | "It's CORRUPT, it needs to be fscked!" <3 |
| 08:58.38 | sauvin | LOL |
| 08:58.59 | sauvin | liable: eh? |
| 08:59.01 | dwu | Also, liable has it right, slapfaceware. |
| 08:59.20 | sauvin | That'll actually fsck a running fs? |
| 08:59.23 | dwu | sauvin: Existence of a file named forcefsck in / will... force a fsck on reboot. |
| 08:59.32 | dwu | sauvin: 's not running when it reboots :) |
| 08:59.42 | sauvin | You're right, I'm an idiot. |
| 08:59.46 | dwu | Nah. |
| 08:59.54 | liable | sauvin: nah, it'll run fsck at boot |
| 09:00.06 | sauvin | Then there ya go. |
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| 09:00.28 | dwu | Yeah, but MAIL SERVER! noes! |
| 09:00.43 | sauvin | Can you afford the time it takes to reboot? An fsck probably won't take long unless your drive is megalossal. |
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| 09:01.22 | dwu | ... welll, why ask me, sauvin? He already said he couldn't even remount ro and fsck :| |
| 09:02.01 | sauvin | I wasn't asking you. I was asking slap-what's-his-nick. |
| 09:02.03 | liable | if he only has ssh access, its all a bit problematic, if fsck finds real problem, hes screwed without physical access |
| 09:03.22 | sauvin | I've seen this problem quite a few times on my external drives before I learned how to keep them spun up. I presume the 'corruption' came from sleeping with unflushed buffers. fsck (or chkdsk on FAT volumes) brought *everything* back as far as I can tell. |
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| 09:03.36 | sauvin | Which reminds me, I have to learn how to do that now on debian. |
| 09:03.39 | dwu | heh. |
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| 09:07.08 | dwu | 'cos not everyone uses SCSI drives? |
| 09:07.50 | sauvin | Erm... but tons of people use usb drives...? |
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| 09:08.06 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 09:08.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 09:08.28 | Supaplex | yeah, just make my base install BIGGER that'll solve it. not. |
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| 09:09.39 | dwu | o.O |
| 09:09.42 | sauvin | I'd have suspected sdparm would be a gimme. Now, installing the entirety of the perl set of modules called POE, that's another argument entirely. |
| 09:09.50 | beardy | sauvin: Not at the immediate install, some do, but some do a lot of things. |
| 09:10.14 | dwu | sauvin: I don't, it's what I have a network for :) |
| 09:10.28 | beardy | sauvin: Now when you know about it, installing it the first thing you do is not that cumbersome. |
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| 09:11.22 | beardy | Keeping the number of installed things down to a minumum is what makes the speed you liked. |
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| 09:11.31 | sauvin | Cumbersome? Hardly. type "sdparm" at the command line, note it's not THERE, make a fast trip to Synaptic, do a search, click, click... because SOMEBODY in this channel told me how to use the dpkg bot. :D |
| 09:12.25 | Supaplex | yes, hence <search> |
| 09:12.28 | sauvin | beardy, you're probably right, but sdparm is, well, small, non-resident and nearly universal in the audience that would find it useful - or even necessary. |
| 09:12.58 | beardy | sauvin: That is what causes ubuntus. |
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| 09:13.05 | sauvin | LOL |
| 09:13.09 | sauvin | I'll buy that. |
| 09:13.19 | Supaplex | they'll ship it to you free |
| 09:13.20 | dwu | sauvin: "type sdparm, not it's not there, search sdparm, install sdparm" and yes, I do have aliases for apt-cache search and sudo apt-get install. |
| 09:13.22 | Supaplex | er wait. nm |
| 09:13.26 | beardy | sauvin: I'd say cowsay is essential, but not everyone agrees, so.. |
| 09:13.27 | dwu | Supaplex: heh. |
| 09:13.44 | sauvin | I'd disagree cowsay is essential :D |
| 09:13.57 | ben_goodger | I concur |
| 09:13.58 | beardy | See then? I don't have a usb drive. |
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| 09:14.51 | ben_goodger | moo |
| 09:15.02 | Supaplex | sauvin: instead we see -bash: cowsay: command not found |
| 09:15.04 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 09:15.09 | ben_goodger | hmm, apt-get moo | cowsay |
| 09:15.29 | Supaplex | !moo |
| 09:15.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 09:15.31 | ruben | Hello, what is the way to no do history using a remote machine? ssh u@foo.com unset HISTSIZE HISTFILE HISTFILESIZE or ssh u@foo.com -c 'unset etc' does not work, any idea? |
| 09:15.37 | ben_goodger | blast, I thought it was meant to come up with a terrible poem |
| 09:15.39 | slapfaceware | so how do i force delete a file system |
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| 09:15.54 | xored | do i need any key for downloading security fixes ? |
| 09:15.55 | slapfaceware | its raid1 reiserfs |
| 09:15.56 | sauvin | Erm.. why are you asking about deleting a filesystem? |
| 09:16.04 | slapfaceware | sorry |
| 09:16.07 | beardy | xored: Enter will do. |
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| 09:16.10 | slapfaceware | force umount a file system |
| 09:16.17 | slapfaceware | it's root |
| 09:16.24 | slapfaceware | and some services are relying on it |
| 09:16.25 | sauvin | Slapfaceware, did you see what somebody said about forcefsck? |
| 09:16.27 | liable | slapfaceware: you cant if its your / |
| 09:17.10 | xored | beardy: ha.ha. |
| 09:17.27 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: slow down. unmount != delete. is unmount what you want? :) haste makes painful mistakes for technology... :) |
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| 09:18.27 | sauvin | Supaplex, he's trying to keep his unfsck'd filesystem running while fixing corruption. |
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| 09:19.15 | Supaplex | ah, choose the split multiple personality disorder filesystem. ;) |
| 09:19.18 | slapfaceware | i just want to fix this error at least side effect |
| 09:19.23 | dwu | Supaplex: ++ :) |
| 09:19.25 | slapfaceware | it's reiserfs raid1 |
| 09:19.35 | sauvin | You know, I'm questioning the wisdom of keeping an ubuntu partition. Debian is just so damn NICE... |
| 09:19.44 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: where's it mounted? |
| 09:19.49 | slapfaceware | at / |
| 09:19.53 | slapfaceware | md0 |
| 09:20.31 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: is it still writable? |
| 09:20.39 | slapfaceware | yes Supaplex |
| 09:21.18 | ben_goodger | sauvin: hurrah |
| 09:22.25 | Supaplex | humm... elusive init scripts... |
| 09:22.48 | ben_goodger | Supaplex: they should be confined to /etc/init.d/ with a cattle-prod |
| 09:22.54 | Supaplex | so /forcefsck is ignored by /etc/default/ ? |
| 09:22.55 | ben_goodger | :) |
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| 09:23.23 | Supaplex | er my bad, by default it's not in /etc/default |
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| 09:25.53 | Ahmadinejad | Hi |
| 09:26.03 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: try googling for debian forcefsck reboot |
| 09:26.14 | axscodes | can lighttpd run without user? |
| 09:26.16 | slapfaceware | is it in package? |
| 09:26.25 | Ahmadinejad | Should i type this as root or normal user: "java -jar bluej-220.jar" |
| 09:26.25 | Ahmadinejad | ? |
| 09:26.27 | slapfaceware | can i just reboot and fsck it? |
| 09:26.45 | liable | if its a raid system, why cant you stop the array and fsck one drive at a time? |
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| 09:27.10 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: touch /forcefsck ; reboot, I believe. |
| 09:27.15 | Supaplex | liable: it'll desync |
| 09:27.19 | axscodes | my lighttpd says.. cant find username www-data ... though /etc/passwd there is www-data on it |
| 09:28.06 | a-atwood_ | is the binutils package pretty much agnostic as to processor type? ie, if gcc spits out i486 or i686 code, the assembler doesn't care, it just assembles whatever it is handed? |
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| 09:36.23 | pnas | when i install debian and install packages later on.. where is the arch for packages that are to be installed defined? |
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| 09:37.51 | ben_goodger | I think it's probably linked to the currently running kernel |
| 09:37.57 | ben_goodger | however, the real question is most likely to do with whether you can install packages from i386 on amd64 systems |
| 09:38.06 | ben_goodger | or whether you can change architecture |
| 09:38.20 | ben_goodger | which are "kinda" and "no." afaik |
| 09:38.27 | liable | its your sources.list |
| 09:38.28 | sep | pnas, i think perhaps it uses dpkg --print-architecture |
| 09:38.47 | ben_goodger | liable: bullshit |
| 09:39.05 | pnas | liable: 'deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian testing main' |
| 09:39.12 | sep | liable, the sources list is identical for amd64 and i386 :) |
| 09:39.18 | pnas | i don't see any arch in there |
| 09:39.19 | sep | and the rest too |
| 09:40.30 | pnas | the onsy time i've seen arch was while bootstrapping |
| 09:40.33 | pnas | only |
| 09:41.10 | Ahmadinejad | Should i type this as root or normal user: "java -jar bluej-220.jar"? |
| 09:41.29 | ben_goodger | Ahmadinejad: normal user should be OK |
| 09:41.46 | Ahmadinejad | ben_goodger: I ran it as root for 20 min ago |
| 09:41.52 | Ahmadinejad | But its stil no ended |
| 09:41.55 | Ahmadinejad | *still |
| 09:42.02 | Ahmadinejad | Is that because i ran it as root? |
| 09:42.23 | claudio` | Can't i specify some shell flag in the "SHELL" variable of /etc/default/useradd file? |
| 09:42.50 | claudio` | I can't, it's known. The question is: how can i "bypass" the problem? |
| 09:43.02 | ben_goodger | Ahmadinejad: what is it meant to be? |
| 09:43.33 | Ahmadinejad | BlueJ is a Java editor |
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| 09:47.15 | Ahmadinejad | ben_goodger: Still here? |
| 09:47.52 | a-atwood | basically, I'm trying to build a i686 cross compiler on a SPARC system. 8) |
| 09:48.14 | ben_goodger | Ahmadinejad: I didn't go to bed... |
| 09:48.17 | ben_goodger | now I feel high |
| 09:48.22 | ben_goodger | but meh, it's daytime |
| 09:48.33 | Supaplex | a-atwood: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers but I'm stuck to :) http://rafb.net/p/wx1E8s47.html |
| 09:48.37 | Ahmadinejad | :P |
| 09:48.41 | a-atwood | but the first time it came up, I was running a copy of gcc in a chroot, and using a copy of gas from outside the chroot |
| 09:49.11 | a-atwood | Supaplex: thankee. 8) |
| 09:49.23 | Ahmadinejad | *reboot |
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| 09:49.28 | Supaplex | a-atwood: be sure to tell me why mine's busted. :P |
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| 09:50.23 | a-atwood | Supaplex: will be a day or so. they have irc blocked at work. 8( |
| 09:50.25 | Supaplex | a-atwood: eg, line 10. but line 20 has -DBINUTILS_BUILD_DEP="binutils- (>= 2.16.1cvs20051214)" and should have something after binutils- |
| 09:50.47 | Supaplex | a-atwood: find some irc.cgi gateway. >:) |
| 09:51.07 | Supaplex | a-atwood: only port 6667? |
| 09:51.25 | dwu | a-atwood: ssh, screen, irssi. win. |
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| 09:52.02 | a-atwood | Supaplex: dunno. was po'd when they cut it off, and haven't tried to circumvent it yet |
| 09:52.29 | Supaplex | or tor? |
| 09:52.30 | a-atwood | Supaplex: spent ALL my time here, or revctrl or cvs. whoop te do |
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| 09:58.05 | Supaplex | a-atwood: hehe nmap from work huh? ;) |
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| 10:01.44 | speCta | are dvd 2 and 3 necessary for making a normal installation..? |
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| 10:03.24 | Zvpun | how can I get a list of packages that are manually installed and dont get autoremoved? |
| 10:04.43 | Supaplex | speCta: no. consider apt-zip if you're w/o regular internet access (and say, a usbkey or something) |
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| 10:05.57 | speCta | Supaplex oh okay. i was just wondering if i had to download them too, that's all |
| 10:06.13 | Supaplex | speCta: just netinst |
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| 10:06.50 | speCta | alright |
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| 10:11.14 | jelly-home | !info clit |
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| 10:14.48 | plundra | I don't get it, why isn't there a script for etch or lenny in the latest debootstrap? (Have checked 1.0.3 and 1.0.6) |
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| 10:16.06 | DustyBin | plundra: feel free to submit one :D |
| 10:16.34 | plundra | DustyBin: But there is one for etch? :) I have it on my etch-machine atleast... |
| 10:17.13 | plundra | I mean, there are scripts for gutsy, feisty, edgy or whatever is the lastes ubuntu thingy. |
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| 10:26.14 | jelly-home | plundra: there's symlinks to sid in 1.0.3 that I have installed, does that not work for you? |
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| 10:27.30 | jelly-home | plundra: I'm guessing there's no special scripts for etch or lenny because they don't need special treatment |
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| 10:32.10 | m4lu7 | So, I've been given the task of ridding one of our servers, a beautiful dell quad xeon, of all traces of Redmond's Finest... I will be putting my trusty favorite, Debian, on this monster machine ... |
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| 10:32.51 | m4lu7 | the box, sadly, is 40 miles away at a co-lo bunker. Any recommendations for how I might install this beast without driving allll the damned way to the bunker? |
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| 10:33.18 | Zvpun | m4lu7: bootstrap |
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| 10:33.59 | m4lu7 | Zvpun: can you be a little more detailed? :) |
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| 10:34.46 | Zvpun | m4lu7: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 |
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| 10:35.04 | markybob | what's the difference between the b43-fwcutter and bcm43xx-fwcutter packages? |
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| 10:38.15 | m4lu7 | hmm. but this article seems to indicate there must be a previous install of Debian on this host, if I'm reading this correctly (and I've used debootstrap to some effect with qemu before, I am somewhat familiar with it, but fail to see how i might employ it to get rid of Windows 2003, remotely) |
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| 10:39.12 | Zvpun | m4lu7: Sorry when you said redmond's I read redhat, so I assumed you had some running linux, my fault |
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| 10:40.37 | m4lu7 | haha, no. Redmond's Finest being "A sub-optimal operating environment masquerading as an enterprise-class operating system. ie: Windows" |
| 10:40.59 | m4lu7 | or, "The Exploit Magnet" |
| 10:41.12 | Zvpun | m4lu7: maybe you can install linux into a virtual machine and then use this linux to operate the bootstrap |
| 10:41.20 | Supaplex | hello simonrvn |
| 10:41.40 | Zvpun | m4lu7: if there is an windows version of bootstrap you could use it, though I doubt it. |
| 10:41.49 | simonrvn | hi Supaplex |
| 10:41.54 | Supaplex | m4lu7: www.goodbye-windows.com ? |
| 10:41.58 | m4lu7 | I might be able to use, perhaps, the debiannow packag... yah. |
| 10:42.09 | Supaplex | simonrvn: I made it into factstats authors :) |
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| 10:42.29 | m4lu7 | i've used that on a laptop here at the office. It adds Debian to Winderz boot-list, |
| 10:42.29 | simonrvn | woot |
| 10:42.42 | Supaplex | !+factstats authors |
| 10:42.43 | dpkg | error: invalid type => 'authors'. |
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| 10:43.03 | Supaplex | !+factstats author |
| 10:43.06 | dpkg | factoid statistics by author: (15 of 85): 813 by greycat ;; 494 by xk ;; 380 by sussudio ;; 298 by dondelelcaro ;; 258 by guerin, hoxu ;; 245 by nrclf ;; 220 by localhost ;; 201 by cafuego, ricky_clarkson ;; 185 by karsten ;; 175 by bob2 ;; 150 by mentor ;; 125 by abrotman ;; 112 by asuffield ;; 111 by tarzeau ;; 108 by supaplex. |
| 10:43.07 | m4lu7 | but someone has to be on-site to choose debian, and then, the installer doesn't have any remote options available by default (although there is a remote-install package, iirc) |
| 10:43.11 | Phoix | i am trying to install debian 4.0r1 on my new system it has a gigabyte ga-p35t-dq6 motherboard, the problem i am having is that it semms to detect a network card but then the network card does not work, the network card on this motherboard is a Realtek 8111B ... does debain support this nic? as in are there options for me like getting kernel modules for this nic |
| 10:43.18 | Zvpun | How can I get a listing of packages that are manually installed? (not removed during apt-get autoremove) |
| 10:43.23 | m4lu7 | I will probably just have to go down there. bleh. |
| 10:43.26 | simonrvn | factauth |
| 10:43.34 | simonrvn | er |
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| 10:43.50 | simonrvn | wow |
| 10:43.57 | Ace2016 | hi all does this effect debian sid? i ask since packages in ubuntu come from debian, https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html |
| 10:44.06 | Zvpun | m4lu7: That is why I think you need debbootstrap, now to run it, you need a linux -> virtual machine |
| 10:44.15 | Supaplex | Ace2016: is it in bts? |
| 10:44.25 | m4lu7 | Zvpun that Windows box just happens to run vmware server. |
| 10:44.29 | Ace2016 | whats bts? |
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| 10:44.46 | m4lu7 | but I don't see how I would be able to hijack the host os. |
| 10:45.19 | Supaplex | !tell Ace2016 -about bts |
| 10:45.20 | Zvpun | m4lu7: It meight not work thoug, I dont know whether a virtual machine can access the machines harddisk or not. |
| 10:45.31 | m4lu7 | a far-fetched idea, I think, would be to set up a PXE boot image, and use a debootstrap'ped image from which to boot, install, etc. |
| 10:45.38 | m4lu7 | i have done this in the past, but locally. |
| 10:45.49 | Supaplex | m4lu7: that's what FAI is for, if you do it right. |
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| 10:45.53 | m4lu7 | and that assumed PXE is enabled on the Dell Uberserver's bios, which I doubt. |
| 10:46.05 | Zvpun | m4lu7: I think without testing first, this never works. |
| 10:46.23 | m4lu7 | Supaplex FAI? |
| 10:46.27 | Supaplex | !fai |
| 10:46.27 | dpkg | from memory, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
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| 10:46.37 | m4lu7 | Football Association of Ireland? |
| 10:46.41 | Ace2016 | searching for a kneedle in a hey stack |
| 10:46.41 | m4lu7 | AHH. |
| 10:46.42 | sep | m4lu7, this is why a peppercon is so nice to have :) |
| 10:46.43 | Supaplex | !wtf fai |
| 10:46.44 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what fai means... |
| 10:46.54 | simonrvn | 'needle', 'hay' |
| 10:46.56 | Supaplex | no, no special acros. just a factoid. |
| 10:47.01 | m4lu7 | ;) |
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| 10:47.26 | Supaplex | Ace2016: old harddisk magnet for tEh win. :P |
| 10:47.26 | sep | dpkg fai is an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system |
| 10:47.27 | dpkg | ...but fai is already something else... |
| 10:47.42 | sep | !fai |
| 10:47.42 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 10:47.46 | Supaplex | sep: s/fai/no fai/ |
| 10:47.55 | Supaplex | he'll replace it that way. |
| 10:47.59 | sep | it's good enoufh :) |
| 10:48.04 | Supaplex | eg, dpkg no foo is ... |
| 10:48.08 | Supaplex | k |
| 10:48.09 | sep | i missed the wtf part in front if fai up there |
| 10:48.15 | simonrvn | don't forget to include the <reply> |
| 10:49.03 | sep | so i though it didnt have one |
| 10:49.12 | sep | !wtf wtf |
| 10:49.13 | dpkg | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 10:49.21 | sep | :) |
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| 10:50.31 | student23 | is this possibile growisofs burn a dvd with errors becouse of the label? |
| 10:50.41 | et | "want to" is missing |
| 10:50.54 | Eulex | dpkg, fai is also an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system |
| 10:50.54 | dpkg | Eulex: okay |
| 10:50.55 | Ace2016 | nooooo! 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 2086 |
| 10:51.00 | Eulex | !fai |
| 10:51.01 | dpkg | hmm... fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 10:51.11 | Ace2016 | oh thats bad because: 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 201 |
| 10:51.12 | Eulex | hmm |
| 10:51.14 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 10:51.41 | m4lu7 | dude. |
| 10:51.44 | simonrvn | dpkg: no fai is <reply>an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system |
| 10:51.44 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 10:51.59 | Supaplex | urm, url and channel? |
| 10:52.14 | Eulex | (which I was trying to preserve) |
| 10:52.15 | ben_goodger | dpkg really is quite insane |
| 10:52.15 | dpkg | ...but really is already something else... |
| 10:52.24 | ben_goodger | see?! |
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| 10:52.34 | Supaplex | dpkg: confuse ben_goodger |
| 10:52.34 | dpkg | Yes, them are your bacon yesterday, ben_goodger? wellies of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 10:52.47 | ben_goodger | heh |
| 10:52.59 | Trewas | Ace2016: ubuntu is not doing anything special to cause that much overhyped "harddrive killer bug", so all distros are affected unless some goes out of their way to prevent it (by setting the power management off constantly) |
| 10:53.14 | sep | Supaplex, how would one replace #fai with #fai on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 10:53.17 | simonrvn | !fai =~ s$ing system$ing system. #fai http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/$ |
| 10:53.22 | Ace2016 | yea yea i want to turn power management off, that sounds good |
| 10:53.28 | HardDisk_WP | should the paths in LD_LIBRARY_PATH be separated with : or with ;s? |
| 10:53.45 | simonrvn | !fai =~ s|ing system|ing system. #fai http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/| |
| 10:53.46 | sauvin | Hard drive killer bug? |
| 10:53.50 | Phoix | yep theres a driver on the realtek site.. |
| 10:53.51 | m4lu7 | HardDisk_WP : |
| 10:54.24 | HardDisk_WP | Ace2016, I just filed a bug because of that |
| 10:54.36 | simonrvn | !fai =~ s,ing system,ing system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/, |
| 10:54.36 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 10:54.40 | cafuego | !mock supaplex |
| 10:54.41 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 10:54.48 | HardDisk_WP | Ace2016, the Ubuntu bug also affects Debian |
| 10:55.08 | HardDisk_WP | Ace2016, follow https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695/comments/14 |
| 10:55.08 | Supaplex | and gentoo and suse and geeeeewhiz |
| 10:55.10 | bullgard4 | What command will detect Bluetooth devices? |
| 10:55.12 | Supaplex | (i bet) |
| 10:55.15 | simonrvn | ok, nice now |
| 10:55.25 | HardDisk_WP | m4lu7, thanks |
| 10:55.40 | Ace2016 | maybe what i want to do is increase the rate... and towards the end switch the disk back to completely vista and run off a live cd and then bam it braeks and its a brand new drive for me |
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| 10:56.58 | simonrvn | Supaplex: in french you could have a pun with 'suse', it resembles 'suce', which is 'suck' ;) |
| 10:57.20 | ben_goodger | or, sooze. |
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| 10:57.52 | simonrvn | then it isn't as fun, except to do 'snooze' |
| 10:57.55 | Trewas | sauvin: it got even to slashdot, http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/30/1742258 |
| 10:57.56 | Supaplex | i'm bad enough with puns in english. I don't need a new tounge to tango with. |
| 10:58.03 | ben_goodger | simonrvn: never heard of ooze? |
| 10:58.19 | simonrvn | sure have, didn't think of that one =) |
| 10:58.23 | ben_goodger | :) |
| 10:58.43 | ben_goodger | that must be the devs' brains' main ingredients |
| 10:58.52 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:58.53 | Supaplex | !booze ben_goodger |
| 10:58.56 | Supaplex | aka !beer. |
| 10:59.13 | ben_goodger | !insult Supaplex |
| 10:59.15 | dpkg | Supaplex is nothing but a craven mass of wretched fat-woman's stomach-bile |
| 10:59.16 | simonrvn | @tea ben_goodger |
| 10:59.32 | ben_goodger | !insult simonrvn |
| 10:59.33 | dpkg | simonrvn is nothing but an unoriginal ass-full of salty waffle-house grits |
| 10:59.39 | ben_goodger | rofl |
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| 10:59.41 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 10:59.58 | ben_goodger | is there a full list of all the things this bot does anywhere? |
| 11:00.08 | ben_goodger | !destroy humanity |
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| 11:00.14 | Supaplex | somehow the fat woman stomach bile is suppose to be worse huh? |
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| 11:00.22 | ben_goodger | oh my god.... |
| 11:00.23 | Supaplex | vs normal woman.. |
| 11:00.24 | Super_Cat_Frog | im writing an auto-fallover nfs script, and I need to know - would I be best using soft or hard mounting? will either prevent the script from running? |
| 11:00.29 | ben_goodger | it actually has "destroy humanity" |
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| 11:00.56 | CBG | Hey folks.. :) |
| 11:00.57 | simonrvn | ben_goodger: probably just a destroy $1 factoid |
| 11:01.07 | Zvpun | How can I get a listing of packages that are manually installed? (not removed during apt-get autoremove) |
| 11:01.15 | ben_goodger | simonrvn: yeah, but still :/ |
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| 11:02.03 | CBG | I have debian installed alongside OS X on my iBook - the problem is that I want to reboot into OS X. The debian install is just a base installation, no X, Gnome, whatever. Just the command line interface. I want to tell it to reboot to the OS X Partition of the hard drive. Any ideas how I can do this? :) |
| 11:02.24 | simonrvn | edit yaboot.conf |
| 11:02.32 | simonrvn | then run ybin |
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| 11:02.39 | ben_goodger | CBG: well, you execute shutdown -h and then you select OS X from the bootloader you installed prior to debian |
| 11:02.55 | simonrvn | then you can choose it from yaboot's menu |
| 11:02.59 | CBG | Ah! Ok, i'll try that! :) |
| 11:03.13 | simonrvn | there's examples in /usr/share/doc/yaboot |
| 11:03.42 | CBG | I'll try shutdown -h and see :) |
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| 11:04.17 | simonrvn | er, shutdown -r |
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| 11:04.47 | CBG | oh. |
| 11:05.00 | simonrvn | -h is halt |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'share/assp' returned no results. |
| 11:05.04 | CBG | Yeah. shutdown -h just shut the machine down and did nothing else.. :) |
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| 11:05.49 | ben_goodger | oh, sorry |
| 11:05.57 | ben_goodger | I haven't slept |
| 11:06.13 | Supaplex | uh what? what's that? |
| 11:06.15 | CBG | No worries, I'm really grateful for any help at all :) |
| 11:06.20 | simonrvn | heh, your mind is telling you something maybe ;p |
| 11:06.21 | ben_goodger | :D |
| 11:06.32 | Supaplex | oh right, that caffiene defficency thing in the bloodstream right? |
| 11:06.34 | ben_goodger | simonrvn: it's 11:06 am, I can hardly go to sleep now |
| 11:06.49 | simonrvn | damn |
| 11:06.51 | ben_goodger | yesterday I got up at 4pm |
| 11:06.54 | Supaplex | !caffinate ben_goodger |
| 11:07.02 | ben_goodger | hurrah |
| 11:07.06 | ben_goodger | !kill ben_goodger |
| 11:07.10 | ben_goodger | rofl |
| 11:07.18 | ben_goodger | !kick microsoft |
| 11:07.24 | Supaplex | !scare ben_goodger |
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| 11:07.39 | ben_goodger | how long has this sodding bot been being made more evil? |
| 11:07.47 | simonrvn | years |
| 11:07.52 | CBG | Ever since day 1! |
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| 11:08.23 | simonrvn | since day 1 is a song title. 'system of a down' |
| 11:08.38 | ben_goodger | CBG: that predates IRC, foo |
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| 11:09.29 | CBG | I don't get any chance to select to boot into OS X with "shutdown -r now" :( |
| 11:09.38 | ben_goodger | !comeagain |
| 11:09.41 | ben_goodger | !come again |
| 11:10.01 | CBG | ben_goodger: nothing predates IRC! |
| 11:10.12 | ben_goodger | dpkg, come again is <reply> Please pay for your purchases and get out and Come Again!! |
| 11:10.12 | dpkg | okay, ben_goodger |
| 11:10.15 | ben_goodger | !come again |
| 11:10.15 | dpkg | Please pay for your purchases and get out and Come Again!! |
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| 11:10.19 | ben_goodger | yay! |
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| 11:10.23 | Supaplex | ＨＥＬＬＯ |
| 11:10.27 | Supaplex | wups |
| 11:10.32 | Supaplex | !customer |
| 11:10.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 11:10.33 | CBG | "In the beginning was IRC and IRC was with bots." |
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| 11:12.05 | ben_goodger | in the beginning there was the Language, and the Language was with curly brackets |
| 11:12.15 | ben_goodger | and the Language said, Let there be UNIX |
| 11:12.16 | CBG | Oooh! |
| 11:12.33 | ben_goodger | and lo, there was a bloated heirarchy, and the Language looked upon it and saw that it was good |
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| 11:12.47 | ben_goodger | *skips a bit* |
| 11:12.58 | Supaplex | ben_goodger: you don't say it with a lisp huh? ;) |
| 11:13.03 | comsa | mmmm deep |
| 11:13.25 | CBG | So, any other ideas on booting into OS X? :) |
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| 11:13.45 | Supaplex | get a bigger steel toe boot |
| 11:14.59 | CBG | Too expensive. :( |
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| 11:15.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, *hug* |
| 11:15.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | aw, dpkg doesnt respond to hugs |
| 11:15.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | it was worth the experiment :) |
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| 11:16.24 | ben_goodger | !hug Kamping_Kaiser |
| 11:16.29 | ben_goodger | there ye go |
| 11:16.57 | ben_goodger | dpkg, *hug* is <reply> /me returns the hug |
| 11:16.57 | dpkg | okay, ben_goodger |
| 11:17.09 | ben_goodger | dpkg, *hug* |
| 11:17.09 | dpkg | /me returns the hug |
| 11:17.12 | ben_goodger | bah |
| 11:17.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | awww <3 |
| 11:17.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol :( |
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| 11:17.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, hug is aww, thanks |
| 11:17.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
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| 11:23.38 | ben_goodger | heheh |
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| 11:24.49 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i need to build a debian package from source, how can it make install automatically the dependencies? |
| 11:26.53 | xlotlu | umm hmm ben goodger's playing with the bot |
| 11:27.05 | wubbla | i think my fonts are totally broken on the console in debian etch |
| 11:27.19 | Shadur | assasukasse: apt-get build-dep |
| 11:27.38 | wubbla | mc isn't able to render the menu correctly too... |
| 11:27.42 | assasukasse | Shadur: in the folder of the package? |
| 11:27.48 | wubbla | maybe there are some console fonts missing? |
| 11:27.53 | wubbla | how can i check that? |
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| 11:29.35 | m4lu7 | hmm. stupid question. i notice when I "apt-cache show" a package, there's a "Tag:" attrib at the end... what's the purpose, and how to effectively search, and/or show tag groups? |
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| 11:32.12 | CBG | simonrvn: can you help me a little more with "edit yaboot.conf" and "then run ybin"? :) |
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| 11:41.14 | speCta | why is it the installation just dies after chosing a mirror to scan? :S |
| 11:41.53 | syntaxx | i created a jail however when i login to sftp i can still delete a file.. anyone know how can i restrict deletion on sftp with jail? |
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| 11:43.29 | simonrvn | CBG: i have limited exp. with yaboot, but i know there's examples to load up os x in yaboot's menu in /usr/share/doc/yaboot |
| 11:44.04 | xlotlu | pppoe-discovery locks |
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| 11:46.02 | alex_ | whats the new AMD 4 core processor called agian? |
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| 11:47.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | alex_, 'zomg wtf' in a phrase ;) |
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| 11:52.51 | xored | hello. Is /etc/exim4/conf.d something debian related ? |
| 11:53.03 | petemc | yes |
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| 11:53.26 | xored | iam just testing a "smarthost" setup under debian, but it might be that i cant convince my boss to use debian instead of crapy opensuse.. |
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| 11:53.38 | slapfaceware | is there way to fsck a mirror |
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| 11:53.59 | slapfaceware | raid1 |
| 11:54.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | SlackDeb, throw a stone through it |
| 11:54.07 | xored | petemc: thats bad. but i can still put anyting in the exim4.con or? this would later work under opensuse too, or ? |
| 11:54.17 | ben_goodger | Kamping_Kaiser: you are cruel |
| 11:54.27 | ben_goodger | :) |
| 11:54.46 | petemc | xored: you can put exim4.conf in /etc/exim4/ and debians exim will use that |
| 11:54.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | ben_goodger, probably so :| ;) |
| 11:55.09 | petemc | xored: if you're not very au fait with exim, then "the debian way" can do a fair bit of hand holding |
| 11:55.22 | petemc | xored: using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:55.36 | simonrvn | ooh fancy words |
| 11:55.57 | simonrvn | nicely used, i must add |
| 11:56.02 | xored | petemc: i would love to use debian..but its not my choice.. |
| 11:56.17 | petemc | xored: thems the brakes |
| 11:56.23 | petemc | or is that a question? |
| 11:56.38 | petemc | simonrvn: cheers :) |
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| 11:56.58 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 11:58.08 | simonrvn | qrck: i keep reading that as 'crack' --> qrck. no offense intended, just dunno what it stands for. |
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| 11:58.49 | qrck | simonrvn, ??please ?? |
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| 11:58.59 | qrck | simonrvn, what are you talking about ? |
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| 11:59.08 | simonrvn | your nick |
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| 11:59.22 | qrck | oh nevermind it's just a nick you know |
| 11:59.32 | GuySoft | hello all, where do i get the raw1394 module for debian? (for minidv) |
| 11:59.32 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 11:59.34 | qrck | it's just short... |
| 11:59.35 | qrck | lol |
| 11:59.40 | CBG | does look like crack though. |
| 11:59.44 | CBG | :P |
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| 12:00.42 | Eulex | GuySoft, you get it included with your kernel. |
| 12:01.00 | GuySoft | Eulex, i carn't seem to see it in kernel 2.6.22 |
| 12:01.14 | liable | they changed firewire in 22 iirc |
| 12:01.20 | Eulex | neityher can I, it appears to not be in 22. |
| 12:01.22 | liable | or 21 i forget |
| 12:01.39 | liable | check the changelog |
| 12:02.05 | Eulex | it's in 21, I had an old kernel source tree lying around here. |
| 12:02.53 | GuySoft | so what does one do? |
| 12:03.17 | liable | use the new module, whatever it is. |
| 12:04.22 | GuySoft | i think ite firewire-core.. thats all i have here |
| 12:05.13 | GuySoft | but it doesnt seem to create raw1394 |
| 12:05.23 | GuySoft | i meen /dev/raw1394 |
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| 12:07.05 | Eulex | might be that whatever you've got there needs to be modified to work with the new firewire interface |
| 12:07.39 | GuySoft | its a ieee standard.. Eulex , it should just work.. |
| 12:07.56 | Eulex | /dev/raw1394 is not an ieee standard |
| 12:09.06 | ben_goodger | it should still just work, though |
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| 12:09.47 | GuySoft | no its what the module should give, so applications like kino should work. |
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| 12:10.55 | Eulex | GuySoft, might just be that you need to load some other module to get the raw1394 device... or that it was renamed... |
| 12:11.11 | Eulex | GuySoft, and still, that's no ieee standard. |
| 12:11.22 | liable | or you could actually do some searching rather than just saying it should work.. http://www.kinodv.org/dcforum/dcforum?az=show_topic&forum=101&topic_id=2920&mesg_id=2920&page= |
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| 12:13.33 | liable | also http://www.kinodv.org/article/view/162/1/13/ for those unable to use a browser |
| 12:14.05 | liable | s/browser/search engine/ |
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| 12:16.48 | xored | how to reset the configuration style from dpkg? ( iam have textmode right now, want to switch to graphical) |
| 12:17.01 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 12:17.04 | ben_goodger | xored: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 12:17.24 | tarzeau | petemc: and maybe DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog ahead |
| 12:17.41 | tarzeau | petemc: because when it's Noninteractive ... |
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| 12:22.16 | mohkohn | I am getting the no battery present thing in gnome. When I unplug it tells me I have a battery but not how much charge is in it. |
| 12:22.22 | mohkohn | How do I fix it? |
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| 12:23.28 | xlotlu | is ti possible to have ppp set up a default route even if i have one already? |
| 12:23.50 | mohkohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.51 | mohkohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.59 | mohkohn | It doesn't show the battery |
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| 12:24.27 | felipec | if http://www.anderenen.de/repository is supposed to be a repository how can I access the contents with a browser? |
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| 12:24.33 | techouse | how do you like my new debian look: http://shrani.si/f/19/qc/4yJoB4oJ/debian2.png ? |
| 12:24.35 | felipec | I want the source code |
| 12:24.53 | ben_goodger | hideous |
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| 12:27.42 | techouse | what's the difference between reiserfs and ext3? |
| 12:27.44 | bahadunn | yo |
| 12:27.53 | bahadunn | techouse: they are different file systems |
| 12:27.56 | techouse | i heared that reiserfs is faster |
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| 12:28.04 | dwu | !reiserfs |
| 12:28.04 | dpkg | somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 12:28.08 | mohkohn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.09 | bahadunn | techouse: not so much with recent ext3 |
| 12:28.16 | dwu | !ext3 vs resiserfs |
| 12:28.23 | dwu | aww. |
| 12:28.26 | dwu | techouse: ^ see above. |
| 12:28.27 | mohkohn | Must be why my battery doesn't show up! |
| 12:28.48 | bahadunn | techouse: use ext3 |
| 12:29.02 | felipec | techouse: reiserfs is faster for normal usage (lots of small files) |
| 12:29.04 | liable | mohkohn: battery module loaded? |
| 12:29.17 | techouse | ok |
| 12:29.44 | mohkohn | battery 9636 0 |
| 12:29.49 | techouse | i have ext3 already, but a friend using ubuntu (don't know why?!) has reiserfs |
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| 12:31.02 | liable | mohkohn: hrm, what model laptop, could there are vendor specific modules |
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| 12:31.13 | syntaxx | is there a way i could restrict delete access on users home in sftp without using flags? |
| 12:31.46 | bahadunn | techouse: ubuntu has its uses |
| 12:32.05 | mohkohn | Medion MIM 2310 |
| 12:32.18 | ben_goodger | yes, it traps a certain percentage of morons and keeps them away from here |
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| 12:32.20 | xored | when i try to start exim with /etc/init.d/exim4 he tells "starting MTA exim4" but i cant connect afterwards and there is no souch named process..any ideas ? |
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| 12:32.36 | techouse | yeah...for introducing you the linux world it's perfect, imho, but of anything else....no |
| 12:32.36 | syntaxx | err |
| 12:32.37 | bahadunn | syntaxx: you can use restrictions in the authorized_keys file |
| 12:32.55 | bahadunn | syntaxx: you could also setup some per user restrictions if I remember correctly |
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| 12:33.18 | techouse | that's why i switched from kubuntu to debian+kde 3 weeks ago |
| 12:33.29 | ben_goodger | hurrah |
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| 12:33.35 | syntaxx | bahadunn thanks.. |
| 12:33.39 | ben_goodger | I did so in february |
| 12:33.44 | bahadunn | my father uses ubuntu |
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| 12:33.48 | bahadunn | works good for him |
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| 12:33.50 | ben_goodger | well, from ubuntu to debian/gnome |
| 12:33.52 | bahadunn | and he is not a moron |
| 12:33.55 | Ronin | bahadunn: at least he's running linux |
| 12:33.59 | bahadunn | Ronin: right |
| 12:34.04 | bahadunn | Ronin: my thoughts exactly |
| 12:34.10 | ben_goodger | that's entirely the wrong attitude |
| 12:34.17 | bahadunn | if only I could get my mother off windows |
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| 12:34.23 | techouse | :) |
| 12:34.28 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: no its not the wrong attitude |
| 12:34.30 | liable | mohkohn: not much info out there for that thing.. |
| 12:34.49 | syntaxx | bahadunn: where can i find those authorized_key file? |
| 12:34.52 | Ronin | ben_goodger: wrong its a correct attutide, debian isnt for everyone |
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| 12:35.12 | ben_goodger | no, I meant the "any linux is good linux" thing |
| 12:35.19 | bahadunn | syntaxx: in the users home directory under .ssh |
| 12:35.25 | techouse | no....suse sux |
| 12:35.30 | cahoot | and what is the point in defining right vs wrong attitude wrt os'es? |
| 12:35.31 | techouse | that's definite! |
| 12:35.47 | ben_goodger | if debian isn't for you, then really... please, just carry on being windozing cattle |
| 12:36.00 | ben_goodger | ubuntu is just the same cattle-style arrangement but with debian code |
| 12:36.01 | Ronin | umm ben_goodger fine live in your bubble |
| 12:36.02 | bahadunn | syntaxx: let me try to check some things |
| 12:36.08 | liable | mohkohn: asus-acpi, asus-laptop modules? |
| 12:36.24 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: and what about debian running on the freebsd kernel? |
| 12:36.31 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: are you against that? |
| 12:36.44 | ben_goodger | no, of course not, that's entirely different |
| 12:36.47 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: what about other linux distributions are you against them too? |
| 12:36.51 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: knoppix? |
| 12:36.58 | mohkohn | no should I try to modprobe them? |
| 12:36.59 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: there are tons of others |
| 12:37.02 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: knoppix is also different |
| 12:37.09 | Ronin | ben_goodger: so its debian or nothing? |
| 12:37.12 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: based on debian |
| 12:37.15 | techouse | knoppix is debian derived too, is it not? |
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| 12:37.51 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: you think that because ubuntu is trying to make the system easier for everyone to use including non-computer geeks is a bad thing then? |
| 12:37.56 | mindmedic | techouse: yes it is |
| 12:37.56 | bahadunn | techouse: yes |
| 12:38.14 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: you rather people just keep on using windows is that it? |
| 12:38.16 | ben_goodger | you're deliberately misunderstanding me: please, read what I'm saying -- I oppose technical incompetence and people behaving like cattle, and I would prefer that people doing that would leave the competent people alone |
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| 12:38.48 | felipec | what if I don't like dpkg? I shall use Windows instead just because of that? |
| 12:38.55 | liable | mohkohn: yes |
| 12:39.00 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: there are some people in the world who need to use a computer but do not need to be technically knowledable as well |
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| 12:39.09 | dwu | felipec: No, you should use an RPM-based system, duh :) |
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| 12:39.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | at least go for arch (which i hear has package mangement) |
| 12:39.46 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: my parents should take computer science courses at their ages just to use a computer with linux and not be called morons? |
| 12:39.51 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: why? do you allow people on your roads without teaching them to drive? |
| 12:39.51 | kwadronaut | dwu: maybe you like ricer? |
| 12:39.54 | felipec | dwu: cool, so it isn't debian or nothing |
| 12:40.03 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: no but my government does |
| 12:40.10 | dwu | kwadronaut: Uh, -what-? |
| 12:40.12 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: its sad but true |
| 12:40.19 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: dont get me started on the driving here |
| 12:40.27 | dwu | felipec: Note I was -joking-. Sorry, apparently -that's not allowed either. |
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| 12:40.51 | kwadronaut | dwu: oh nothing. just beeing sarcastic. you know. flags, ricer, nice, gentoo. orso ;-) |
| 12:41.09 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: did you know that ubuntu is designing a course to teach people how to use a linux based computer |
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| 12:41.13 | dwu | kwadronaut: I mentioned flags where again? |
| 12:41.16 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: then your government are idiots looking for trouble, and so is anyone who lets improperly skilled people use computers |
| 12:41.17 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: thats more then most other distros are doing |
| 12:41.19 | Asmooh | hm kiba dock is nice, but i wish it was more stable |
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| 12:41.27 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: ok whatever you say |
| 12:41.31 | felipec | Kamping_Kaiser: I've tried arch, last time I checked pacman was not that good =/ |
| 12:41.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | felipec, :( might hvae to try it myself then. i'd only heard good stuff |
| 12:41.54 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: if I were you I would not come here and say that or you might end up in one of the worst places on earth |
| 12:42.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | ben_goodger, i have to more or less agree |
| 12:42.13 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: where do you live, in fact? |
| 12:42.14 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: actually you wouldnt cause we have free speech here |
| 12:42.24 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: we dont lock people up for speaking their minds |
| 12:42.35 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: you have my ip |
| 12:42.38 | ben_goodger | goodo |
| 12:42.39 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: figure it out |
| 12:42.43 | felipec | Kamping_Kaiser: it's great in what it does, I loved archlinux, but some use-cases are not supported at all |
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| 12:43.10 | dwu | he's hardly locking you up for speaking your mind. He's having a civilised discussion without having to resort to things like "I wouldn't come here and say that" :/ |
| 12:43.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | felipec, hm, interesting |
| 12:43.28 | mohkohn | liable the asus-laptop failed |
| 12:43.41 | ben_goodger | ah, florida |
| 12:43.46 | dwu | mohkohn: What, already? o.O |
| 12:43.48 | liable | mohkohn: and the other? |
| 12:43.49 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: wrong |
| 12:43.58 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: are you sure you are technically savvy? |
| 12:43.59 | mohkohn | asus-acpi seemed to work but I can't see it in lsmod |
| 12:44.03 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: maybe you should move to windows? |
| 12:44.12 | liable | mohkohn: still no battery? |
| 12:44.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ben_goodger, i have "Cable Bahamas". |
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| 12:44.35 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: well, this service says florida. I don't really need to learn how to use it, because it consists of a pastebox |
| 12:44.43 | felipec | Kamping_Kaiser: the thing that got me is that I could install archlinux without any bootable CD or USB, I could install it with my running distro, thanks to pacman |
| 12:44.46 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: dont you know how to use whois? |
| 12:44.52 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: yep |
| 12:44.58 | Asmooh | i think i live in the best country, u can have drugs legal, download and upload legal, u can speak without being killed, u have the right to do whatever u want, the rails are almost a hotel |
| 12:44.59 | Asmooh | :P |
| 12:45.00 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: well whois does not say florida |
| 12:45.01 | mohkohn | no battery |
| 12:45.08 | ben_goodger | whois says sod-all about your location, just your ip address |
| 12:45.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | felipec, sounds neat |
| 12:45.13 | ben_goodger | and I'm not opening a terminal for you |
| 12:45.15 | dwu | ... the Bahamas? |
| 12:45.18 | Asmooh | jails* |
| 12:45.33 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: ah, yes, scandinavia :) |
| 12:45.33 | techouse | will debian net install + xfce work on a p2 200mhz? |
| 12:45.39 | Asmooh | ben_goodger, no |
| 12:45.42 | Asmooh | europe > netherlands |
| 12:45.45 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: I fully intend to move to stockholm quite soon |
| 12:45.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | teago-out, *slowly* |
| 12:45.47 | techouse | i'd need it only to play mp3s |
| 12:45.47 | liable | mohkohn: check linux-laptop.net |
| 12:45.55 | ben_goodger | meh, holland might as well be scandanavian |
| 12:46.00 | Asmooh | heeh |
| 12:46.02 | ben_goodger | from here at least |
| 12:46.05 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: maybe you need a bit more practice |
| 12:46.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 12:46.43 | Ronin | heh |
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| 12:46.47 | techouse | are the xfce packages included on the debian install cd1? |
| 12:46.47 | Ronin | take his computer away |
| 12:47.03 | ben_goodger | welll. |
| 12:47.07 | bahadunn | techouse: probably not |
| 12:47.11 | ben_goodger | the bahamas are off florida, after all |
| 12:47.13 | Eulex | techouse, on the xfce cd: yes. on the normal cd1: no |
| 12:47.14 | techouse | darn... |
| 12:47.16 | bahadunn | techouse: but could be not sure |
| 12:47.27 | techouse | where can i find the xfce dc? |
| 12:47.29 | ben_goodger | Ronin: you're welcome to try :) |
| 12:47.32 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: I guess you think we are a part of the USA right? |
| 12:47.35 | ben_goodger | besides, you'll have to find them first |
| 12:47.38 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: nope |
| 12:47.40 | felipec | how does dpkg-buildpackage finds the files to install (let's say debian/tmp) if there are no .install files? |
| 12:47.40 | mohkohn | liable, thanks looking |
| 12:47.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | bahadunn, your being unnesesarily inflamitory - could you bring it back a notch or two? |
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| 12:48.11 | techouse | i'd do it with netinsall, but the old box has no network card |
| 12:48.21 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: but I fail to see how it's not feasible that the bahamas could be confused with the nearest continental region by a geographic IP locator |
| 12:49.10 | bahadunn | Kamping_Kaiser: no I cant |
| 12:49.32 | bahadunn | Kamping_Kaiser: I dont like ben_goodger's tone |
| 12:49.38 | bahadunn | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks for asking though |
| 12:49.51 | cahoot | bahadunn: the whole d'discussion' is seriously OT anyway |
| 12:49.54 | ben_goodger | I don't have a tone, I'm a stream of unicode bytes |
| 12:50.00 | techouse | debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso <--- this? |
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| 12:50.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | ben_goodger, now then mate, stir less :) |
| 12:50.10 | ben_goodger | techouse: that should do ye |
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| 12:50.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | cahoot, yeah, i agree |
| 12:50.24 | techouse | ok |
| 12:50.28 | ben_goodger | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry, it's irresistable and I'm feeling mildly annoyed for unrelated reasons |
| 12:50.44 | bahadunn | techouse: you can use the net install iso |
| 12:50.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | ben_goodger, hehe. do me a favour mate - be the one who stops the discussion :) |
| 12:50.56 | bahadunn | techouse: install a base system then install x.org and xfce4 |
| 12:51.05 | ben_goodger | Kamping_Kaiser: it appears this has already happened |
| 12:51.08 | bahadunn | techouse: unless your net access sucks |
| 12:51.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | ben_goodger, :) |
| 12:51.11 | mohkohn | who knows? with a bit of luck the 2.6.23 kernel may fix the acpi as well |
| 12:51.27 | techouse | as i said....i have no network card in the old box |
| 12:51.33 | techouse | so no netinstall possible |
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| 12:51.37 | bahadunn | techouse: ah ok |
| 12:51.47 | bahadunn | techouse: does it have dvd? |
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| 12:52.06 | techouse | no |
| 12:52.07 | bahadunn | techouse: I would say that xfce4 may not be on the first debian cd |
| 12:52.08 | dpringat | where can I ask debian-sparc related questions? thx |
| 12:52.08 | techouse | cd |
| 12:52.13 | bahadunn | techouse: not sure where it would be |
| 12:52.23 | techouse | debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 12:52.40 | bahadunn | techouse: ah |
| 12:52.43 | bahadunn | techouse: yes that will do :) |
| 12:52.52 | sam_ | on a updated etch box is this statement accurate "effectively immune from all known viruses" Would you be confident to put this in print? |
| 12:53.10 | techouse | well...don't give a damn which xfce version it will be, just that i get the damn thing working |
| 12:53.14 | techouse | :) |
| 12:54.03 | felipec | is this the wrong channel to ask for dpkg questions? |
| 12:54.09 | ben_goodger | nope |
| 12:54.14 | bahadunn | felipec: depends I guess |
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| 12:54.28 | ben_goodger | sam_: I would indeed |
| 12:54.37 | techouse | sam_: ClamAV :) |
| 12:54.39 | ben_goodger | actually, get rid of "effectively" |
| 12:55.08 | techouse | damn...gotta get me nero linux |
| 12:55.13 | felipec | bahadunn: well I already asked and I got no answer... where else do you recommend me to ask? |
| 12:55.15 | ben_goodger | techouse: lol |
| 12:55.30 | bahadunn | felipec: you should ask here |
| 12:55.37 | ben_goodger | felipec: it would be more productive if you simply asked the question :) |
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| 12:55.53 | bahadunn | felipec: maybe someone tells you OT maybe not |
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| 12:56.10 | XoX | anyone know how to put multiplie columns with checklists in zenity? |
| 12:56.11 | felipec | how does dpkg-buildpackage finds the files to install (let's say debian/tmp) if there are no .install files? |
| 12:56.13 | sam_ | ben_goodger, thanks - does everyone else share this view? |
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| 12:56.32 | bahadunn | felipec: the builddeps are in the control file for the package |
| 12:56.34 | cast | evening |
| 12:56.47 | bahadunn | felipec: are you attempting packaging? |
| 12:56.54 | techouse | do i need any special software to make usb devices like mp3 players work in debian+xfce? |
| 12:56.58 | ben_goodger | sam_: it's not really a view. the only viruses known to affect debian in any virus-like manner were obsoleted the day after their release |
| 12:57.09 | bahadunn | techouse: that should be kernel dependant |
| 12:57.13 | cast | techouse: nope. |
| 12:57.18 | Asmooh | normaly i dont techouse , if u have a good kernel |
| 12:57.18 | ben_goodger | (ish) |
| 12:57.18 | techouse | ok |
| 12:57.24 | cast | techouse: i find the usbmount package nice to automount em |
| 12:57.26 | Asmooh | woule be detected as an removable harddisk |
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| 12:57.47 | felipec | bahadunn: yes, I'm trying to build a debian package but I want to understand what's happening |
| 12:57.49 | techouse | cause i gotta switch the old box's win98 with linux just cause of usb drivers |
| 12:57.59 | bahadunn | sam_: if you run your system the way you ought to even if you were to get a virus it would only affect your /home/sam for example |
| 12:58.07 | ben_goodger | sam_: I'd be quite happy to provide a signed statement to that effect |
| 12:58.11 | bahadunn | sam_: depends how you were to get the virus |
| 12:58.19 | felipec | bahadunn: in this minimal package I just want to copy stuff to debian/tmp and create the package from those files |
| 12:58.24 | ben_goodger | (of course, you can still run viruses manually, but that sort of invalidates them) |
| 12:58.30 | techouse | usbmount...hmmm...is it included on cd1? |
| 12:58.51 | bahadunn | sam_: usually a linux system gets infected with a root kit or something because a hacker gets into the system through some security vulnerability and then plants a rootkit |
| 12:59.02 | Asmooh | mount -t dir dir |
| 12:59.03 | Asmooh | :) |
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| 12:59.18 | bahadunn | felipec: let me get you a document to read about package building |
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| 12:59.19 | sam_ | i am selling debian machines to completely inexperienced users - this is the sales pitch.. |
| 12:59.23 | eolhyte | Hello ! |
| 12:59.24 | sam_ | Internet ready machines sold completely immune to all known viruses |
| 12:59.37 | bahadunn | felipec: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 12:59.47 | mohkohn | make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. |
| 12:59.52 | mohkohn | ??? |
| 12:59.55 | Asmooh | why would u detect windows virusses on debian? |
| 13:00.00 | ben_goodger | sam_: in that case, you're safe... they will find it pretty hard to run a virus on debian, tbh, and this makes them annoying programs at best (there is, of course, the rootkit issue, but that virtually never happens) |
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| 13:00.10 | techouse | will a 1.5 GB hdd suffice to install debian+xfce? |
| 13:00.10 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: debian makes a very good windows mailserver |
| 13:00.17 | Ronin | Asmooh: mail or file server |
| 13:00.18 | cahoot | mohkohn: make sure you clock/tiesettings are correct |
| 13:00.19 | Asmooh | oh |
| 13:00.26 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: never happens? |
| 13:00.31 | cahoot | mohkohn: make sure your clock/timesettings are correct |
| 13:00.36 | Asmooh | but windows viruses (exe files) cannot be opend in *nix default |
| 13:00.40 | ben_goodger | bahadunn: for these purposes... |
| 13:00.51 | sam_ | should i bother sticking clamav on them? |
| 13:00.52 | bahadunn | Asmooh: not without an emulator |
| 13:00.52 | ben_goodger | I mean, they're not going to be running sendmail or anything silly |
| 13:00.57 | techouse | wine+virus.exe = OK |
| 13:01.00 | techouse | :D |
| 13:01.02 | Asmooh | techouse, nah |
| 13:01.04 | Asmooh | not ok. |
| 13:01.05 | ben_goodger | nope |
| 13:01.06 | mohkohn | cahoot...its 8 o'clock on the rocket clock |
| 13:01.10 | felipec | bahadunn: one that explains how the files actually get into the package would be nice (without debhelp nor .install files) |
| 13:01.11 | Asmooh | because it cant do anything without wine |
| 13:01.12 | Asmooh | :) |
| 13:01.13 | Ronin | Asmooh: mta and windows client + virus still bad |
| 13:01.26 | Asmooh | hm ok :) |
| 13:01.29 | bahadunn | felipec: what files |
| 13:01.31 | mohkohn | and somewhere in the British Empire it is tea time. |
| 13:01.47 | ben_goodger | wine isn't good enough to run viruses properly yet, plus it's still constrained by, you know, the decent security design of the UNIX heritage *apple-style speil continues for some time* |
| 13:01.49 | dwu | In the British Empire, TIME IS TEA. |
| 13:01.51 | dwu | (sorry) |
| 13:01.53 | eolhyte | Hello ! |
| 13:01.54 | ben_goodger | dwu: rofl |
| 13:02.01 | felipec | bahadunn: a package usually contains files :) I mean those files |
| 13:02.04 | dwu | I just... I couldn't resist. |
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| 13:02.27 | eolhyte | I have a problem: my microSD card is broken, but when I want to mount it, dmesg recognize it, so how can I solve this ? |
| 13:02.35 | Asmooh | eh |
| 13:02.37 | Asmooh | broken? |
| 13:02.50 | dwu | ... what? |
| 13:02.56 | eolhyte | Yes |
| 13:02.57 | dwu | Sounds like a miracle to me, I'd just use it :) |
| 13:03.08 | XoX | anyone know how to put multiplie columns with checklists in zenity? |
| 13:03.10 | eolhyte | I've got a photo of the card. |
| 13:03.15 | eolhyte | I'll show you this. |
| 13:03.35 | rance | has anybody compiled cdb-0.75 from source on a debian box (http://cr.yp.to/cdb.html) |
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| 13:04.16 | bahadunn | felipec: you download the source of the package. extract it. make the directory correct for debian use. add your debian/ directory to the source archive. modify the files in debian/ directory and build the package |
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| 13:04.24 | bahadunn | felipec: that document I sent you explains all of that |
| 13:04.41 | syntaxx | bahadunn: any news? |
| 13:04.47 | bahadunn | syntaxx: on what? |
| 13:04.56 | rmaj | anyone knows how to tell thunderbird to stop warning about not valid ssl certyficate all the time? |
| 13:05.03 | syntaxx | bahadunn: on sftp deletion |
| 13:05.09 | bahadunn | syntaxx: oh man |
| 13:05.16 | bahadunn | syntaxx: sorry :) not yet |
| 13:05.20 | kwadronaut | rmaj: have you thought about importing the invalid ssl certificate? |
| 13:05.21 | bahadunn | syntaxx: got a lot of stuff going on |
| 13:05.38 | eolhyte | This: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3523/cimg1787fo8.jpg |
| 13:06.00 | eolhyte | Is it possible to backup its data ? |
| 13:06.02 | bahadunn | syntaxx: what exactly do you want to accomplish? |
| 13:06.05 | ben_goodger | I see no break... |
| 13:06.33 | eolhyte | ben_goodger, between 1,0 and GB |
| 13:06.50 | eolhyte | ben_goodger, between San and Disk |
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| 13:07.15 | ben_goodger | ....ah. |
| 13:07.18 | ben_goodger | yes |
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| 13:07.25 | ben_goodger | did it snap completely, or..? |
| 13:07.34 | eolhyte | Not completely |
| 13:07.41 | ben_goodger | ok |
| 13:07.53 | ben_goodger | have you been able to see whether the chip is broken at all? |
| 13:08.27 | syntaxx | bahadunn: i already created a jail.. however.. what i need to do is to remove them from deleting their files |
| 13:08.37 | felipec | bahadunn: I didn't get any document but I finally found out: dpkg --build debian/tmp <- this will create the actual debian package |
| 13:08.51 | bahadunn | syntaxx: you can set directory permissions for that |
| 13:08.56 | eolhyte | ben_goodger, Sorry, I don't understand. Can you tell me that in another form ? |
| 13:09.10 | bahadunn | syntaxx: do they need to be able to write to the directory though? |
| 13:09.20 | ben_goodger | eolhyte: has the gold-coloured bit inside been broken or just the plastic piece? |
| 13:09.22 | pnas | someone got news about reiser? http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/15-07/ff_hansreiser?currentPage=all#? |
| 13:09.22 | syntaxx | bahadunn: yeah retrieve and write but not delete though |
| 13:09.47 | bahadunn | syntaxx: hhmmm |
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| 13:09.56 | bahadunn | syntaxx: ok ill check some things |
| 13:09.58 | eolhyte | ben_goodger, just the plastic |
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| 13:10.31 | cahoot | eolhyte: if you can ount it - just use dd to retrieve the info? |
| 13:10.35 | ben_goodger | eolhyte: good. it will probably still work then. does udev create devices for it? |
| 13:10.45 | bahadunn | syntaxx: you said you were accmplishing this with using flags right? |
| 13:11.05 | syntaxx | bahadunn: yep |
| 13:11.06 | eolhyte | ben_goodger, I don't now how to use udev |
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| 13:11.19 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.20 | bahadunn | syntaxx: so maybe add that to your sshd_config file? |
| 13:11.20 | eolhyte | cahoot, dd tells me than /dev/sdf does not exists. |
| 13:11.33 | bahadunn | syntaxx: the sftp subsystem is defined in the sshd_config file |
| 13:11.36 | cahoot | sdf1? |
| 13:11.37 | eolhyte | And dmesg tells me than my card is /dev/sdf |
| 13:11.42 | syntaxx | bahadunn: but if a lot of files are already in the sftp server it will cause a high cpu load |
| 13:12.07 | bahadunn | syntaxx: so you have a performance issue with the flags? |
| 13:12.28 | syntaxx | bahadunn: yep |
| 13:12.37 | bahadunn | syntaxx: nothing much you can do about that I guess |
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| 13:12.41 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 13:12.42 | bahadunn | syntaxx: except upgrade the box |
| 13:12.45 | syntaxx | ok |
| 13:12.47 | syntaxx | thanks |
| 13:12.52 | bahadunn | syntaxx: what kind of system is it? |
| 13:12.56 | bahadunn | syntaxx: what specs? |
| 13:13.03 | eolhyte | cahoot, sdf1 too |
| 13:13.16 | cahoot | ok |
| 13:13.46 | eolhyte | [99432.195135] scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access Generic STORAGE DEVICE 9407 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
| 13:13.46 | eolhyte | [99437.113355] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 13:13.46 | eolhyte | [99437.113425] sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 |
| 13:13.50 | xand | !paste |
| 13:13.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:13.59 | xand | bah |
| 13:14.17 | eolhyte | xand, I see 3 lines |
| 13:14.20 | eolhyte | ^^ |
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| 13:14.44 | xand | well... the join NOTICE says no pasting :) |
| 13:15.10 | pngwn | and the factoid used to agree |
| 13:15.33 | dnanar | i'm on debian lenny (unstable), pre compiled kernel 2.6.22-1-486, using xserver-xorg version 1:7.3+2. My graphic card is a NVIDIA GeForce 4MX 440. I'm looking for a _up to date_ tutorial on how to install nvidia proprietary drivers on my system in order to use hardware acceleration. Does anyone know one please ? |
| 13:15.47 | eolhyte | So, cahoot, ben_goodger, what I need to do ? |
| 13:16.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | bahadunn, imnsho any free software |
| 13:16.07 | bahadunn | I guess since they are not computer savvy yet and lack the technical knowledge they should grow up on windows |
| 13:16.16 | bahadunn | schools should use windows I think |
| 13:16.34 | xand | eolhyte: are you running ubuntu? |
| 13:16.45 | wols_ | dnanar: nvidia drivers are not in lenny. you are supposed to know yourself, it being testing and all |
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| 13:16.49 | eolhyte | xand, yes, I have Ubuntu on this computer |
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| 13:16.55 | xand | eolhyte: ask #ubuntu then :P |
| 13:16.55 | eolhyte | My debian is in another |
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| 13:17.01 | lindenle | how do i modify the postgres server to let me add a DB |
| 13:17.13 | sep | bahadunn, schools should use Debian Edu |
| 13:17.14 | ben_goodger | dnanar: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
| 13:17.18 | xand | bahadunn: if the machine is already setup for them with gnome etc then it's fine |
| 13:17.23 | eolhyte | xand, 1295 users :o |
| 13:17.24 | FrekoDing | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.33 | xand | FrekoDing: nice password :) |
| 13:17.44 | FrekoDing | llol |
| 13:17.45 | wols_ | a shame you will need a new one |
| 13:17.47 | FrekoDing | :s |
| 13:17.49 | eolhyte | It's too much, they never answer to me! |
| 13:17.52 | bahadunn | I was being sarcastic |
| 13:18.06 | dwu | ... oh, that was too easy. |
| 13:18.13 | xand | haha |
| 13:18.13 | eolhyte | Please! I've a lot of important datas on my card! |
| 13:18.16 | dwu | He had a whole minute to change his password! |
| 13:18.19 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 13:18.19 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:18.21 | wols_ | eolhyte: we don't answer either |
| 13:18.31 | eolhyte | Ok, thank you so Wolfete |
| 13:18.32 | dwu | xand: Slightly mean, but hell if it wasn't funny, and I'll only do it once :) |
| 13:18.35 | xand | eolhyte: try it on your debian machine |
| 13:18.39 | cast | eolhyte: good thing you always backup important data innit :) |
| 13:18.46 | xand | then we can help ;) |
| 13:18.49 | eolhyte | cast, ^^ |
| 13:18.56 | xand | the numbers in your dmesg paste gave it away btw |
| 13:19.02 | bahadunn | there are some apparently who believe that people who are not computer literate do not have the right to use linux or free software |
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| 13:19.26 | bahadunn | or at least do not have the right to bother people who are computer literate and use linux with questions so as to learn etc... |
| 13:20.02 | dwu | Uh, you're just pushing it now, really, the topic was dropped some timeback. |
| 13:20.09 | pumpkin0 | [etch, ipw2200]: how to i tell that driver or iwconfig to use a a certain essid. I see 3 essid from here and it always picks the wrong noe. iwconfig eth0 essid right-one; iwconfig eth0 commit does not work. the wireless-essid string in /etc/network/interfaces kills wlan altogether. Any ideas before i start hacking the kernel ? |
| 13:20.09 | dwu | Bleh, insert a space in there. |
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| 13:20.15 | dnanar | ben_goodger & wols_ : ah ok thanks :-) do you think that i should use the script given on nvidia website please ? |
| 13:20.19 | ben_goodger | yes, you're also deliberatley misunderstanding me |
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| 13:20.39 | dwu | ben_goodger: 's OK. *patpat* |
| 13:20.48 | ben_goodger | dnanar: the script on nvidia.com is likely to invalidate your #debian |
| 13:20.52 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: maybe you should join #bslug and explain it? |
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| 13:21.07 | wols_ | dnanar: if you do, we can't support you at all. the proper way is a unstable backport for example |
| 13:21.23 | ben_goodger | you would probably be better off using etch/backports until someone (it's hard to tell who) fixes it.. |
| 13:21.37 | wols_ | not to mention nvidia.com drivers will kill your debian install sooner or later |
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| 13:21.42 | dnanar | a unstable backport ?you mean that i should take packages from etch wols_ ? |
| 13:21.56 | wols_ | dnanar: since when is etch == unstable? |
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| 13:22.10 | ben_goodger | dnanar: no, you should use etch and take packages from backports.org |
| 13:22.12 | dnanar | hum that's not what i meant |
| 13:22.21 | ben_goodger | wols_: you mean faster than the ones in the repositories? :) |
| 13:22.33 | wols_ | faster? |
| 13:22.35 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: something funny? |
| 13:22.44 | ben_goodger | mildly |
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| 13:23.09 | ben_goodger | wols_: yeah, they all get you in the end.. so presumably the non-coddled stuff is more efficient at it? ;) |
| 13:23.18 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: maybe you would rather explain it in debian-offtopic? |
| 13:23.33 | ben_goodger | not really, I'd just like you to be quiet |
| 13:23.46 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: you can always ignore me |
| 13:23.57 | bahadunn | ben_goodger: the power of irc clients you know? |
| 13:24.04 | ben_goodger | nah, makes it too annoying watching other people converse with you |
| 13:24.08 | dwu | Stay the hell out off debian-offtopic. |
| 13:24.13 | dwu | ben_goodger: /ignore -replies :) |
| 13:24.16 | dwu | s/off/of/ |
| 13:24.28 | dnanar | wols_ & ben_goodger : ah ok, i didn't know this repository it sounds great. do you know how to downgrade from lenny to etch please ? |
| 13:24.34 | wols_ | dwu: even if tempting, it still sucks |
| 13:24.47 | ben_goodger | dnanar: er, long story short, you reinstall |
| 13:24.48 | wols_ | dnanar: unpossible unless you reinstall |
| 13:24.52 | dwu | wols_: ... wha? |
| 13:24.54 | dwu | wols_: Oh, ignore. |
| 13:25.11 | dnanar | hum ok |
| 13:26.21 | sep | dnanar, i use kernel and nvidia packages from unstable on lenny, no problem |
| 13:26.31 | sep | if you are reluctant to go back :) |
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| 13:28.21 | ben_goodger | I just put up with it |
| 13:28.37 | dwu | ben_goodger: ++ # patience |
| 13:29.05 | ben_goodger | and of course retain some sort of dim optimism that nvidia will cave to the two larger companies who have now done so, and release their cards' specifications |
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| 13:30.46 | bahadunn | who else besides amd/ati has released specs? |
| 13:30.50 | liable | pumpkin0: iwconfig eth0 ssid foo or if its being a pain, try setting the ap mac with iwconfig eth0 ap XX:XX.. |
| 13:30.52 | ben_goodger | intel.. |
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| 13:30.57 | bahadunn | ah yeah thats right |
| 13:30.59 | bahadunn | forgot them |
| 13:31.33 | ben_goodger | and yes, intel and amd both outnumber nvidia, which is odd because their GPUs are comparative rubbish IMO |
| 13:31.48 | Eulex | amd/ati has just released modesetting specs |
| 13:32.02 | ben_goodger | yes, but there'll be more to come... |
| 13:32.18 | Eulex | hopefully, but yes, they've promised it. |
| 13:32.24 | techouse | ok...i changed my mind....no debian on that box cause it has only 16 MB ram |
| 13:32.33 | ben_goodger | *eyes pop* |
| 13:32.49 | bahadunn | Eulex: who is they? |
| 13:32.57 | Eulex | bahadunn, amd. |
| 13:33.13 | bahadunn | Eulex: ah |
| 13:33.26 | bahadunn | techouse: you cannot run any linux with gui on 16mb ram |
| 13:34.09 | ben_goodger | depends on your definition of GUI, really ;) |
| 13:34.22 | bahadunn | x.org + whatever |
| 13:34.29 | bahadunn | need more then 16mb ram for that |
| 13:34.32 | pumpkin0 | liable: iwconfig eth0 essid kills the radio and i have to reboot. iwconfig eth0 ap does not change anything. The cards stays with the old AP. iwconfig eth0 commit throws an error. |
| 13:34.40 | \amethyst | bahadunn: sure you can.. just not any *recent* Linux with gui :) |
| 13:34.44 | DustyBin | are there any lighter alternatives to bind9 for DNS on a small home network? |
| 13:34.50 | rance | I hate to say this in a debian chat room, but I've got a factory box set of IBM dos 5.0 (heck even the styrofoam package fillers are in tact) on three floppy disks, that will run on 16 MB of ram |
| 13:34.57 | \amethyst | DustyBin: dnsmasq maybe? |
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| 13:35.09 | liable | pumpkin0: is wpasupp running or something? |
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| 13:35.17 | liable | pumpkin0: kills the radio how? |
| 13:35.23 | bahadunn | oh linux will run on 16mb ram most likely |
| 13:35.25 | Eulex | rance, if that one has a percent of the functionality that debian has, I'd be surprised. |
| 13:35.31 | DustyBin | \amethyst: ill look into, also, are there any lighter alternatives for postfix, again for a small home network? |
| 13:35.35 | bahadunn | but not with x windows |
| 13:35.50 | liable | bahadunn: 2.4 kernel, prolly not 2.6 |
| 13:35.53 | rance | DustyBin: I use dnsmasq on home networks, its a great tool |
| 13:35.58 | \amethyst | DustyBin: depends on what you need out of an MTA |
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| 13:36.02 | bahadunn | liable: yeah |
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| 13:36.16 | \amethyst | DustyBin: do you need to deliver for the other machines on the network? |
| 13:36.18 | rance | Eulex: It doesnt, and we all know it doesnt. |
| 13:36.26 | DustyBin | \amethyst: my postfix is linked with squirrelmail |
| 13:36.27 | \amethyst | DustyBin: and do you need to be able to receive mail from outside? |
| 13:36.29 | DustyBin | on the same box |
| 13:36.33 | rance | Eulex: its still a piece of history |
| 13:36.44 | DustyBin | yes i do need to recieve mail from outside |
| 13:36.44 | Eulex | rance, yep. |
| 13:36.52 | pumpkin0 | liable: wpa_supp isnotrunning. The laptop disappers from all WLAN-aps and does not connect to anything no matter what i do. A WLAN-scanner does notfind it either. |
| 13:37.17 | jelly | is there an apt-cache search equivalent to search in available deb-src? |
| 13:37.30 | DustyBin | ill take a look at dnsmasq, it seems silly installing and setting up bind9 for a small home network |
| 13:37.49 | petemc | bind9 works out of the box as a caching name server |
| 13:37.51 | rance | DustyBin: you might consider qmail, you can compile from source, and just run the smtp server, if you want outgoing mail spooling for the home net, its every flexible |
| 13:37.52 | \amethyst | DustyBin: then I'm not sure about mail... exim migth be lighter |
| 13:37.59 | wols_ | jelly: why would you need it? |
| 13:38.09 | DustyBin | ok |
| 13:38.13 | liable | pumpkin0: odd for that card |
| 13:38.16 | wols_ | !qmail |
| 13:38.16 | dpkg | i heard qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 13:38.17 | \amethyst | DustyBin: ssmtp and nullmailer don't take incoming mail AFAIK |
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| 13:38.37 | DustyBin | i think etch comes with exim installed as standard IIRC |
| 13:38.41 | jelly | wols_: added sid deb-src and don't know the exact name of a package (jabber 2.0) |
| 13:38.43 | liable | pumpkin0: standard kernel? you havent patched ieee or anything? |
| 13:38.59 | streuner | exim is default |
| 13:39.03 | rance | yes, exim4 is part of debian etch standard |
| 13:39.11 | wols_ | jelly: so? apt-cache search jabber (with the normal sid lines). if your found tha package, apt-get source it |
| 13:39.15 | ben_goodger | this is rather disturbing |
| 13:39.16 | pumpkin0 | liable: stock 2.6.21 and modified 2.6.15. Both behave the same way. |
| 13:39.28 | ben_goodger | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.35 | ben_goodger | does that literally mean my drive is about to die? |
| 13:39.37 | jelly | wols_: ew. |
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| 13:40.06 | xored | shouldnt be a exim user be created on installin exim ? |
| 13:40.11 | jelly | ben_goodger: no |
| 13:40.20 | ben_goodger | jelly: oh, good. |
| 13:40.29 | petemc | xored: it is, Debian-exim |
| 13:40.39 | jelly | ben_goodger: Pre-fail refers to the type of the attribute. |
| 13:40.57 | ben_goodger | jelly: is there, in fact, anything that will tell me what condition my drive is in in such comprehensible terms? |
| 13:41.28 | jelly | ben_goodger: should you see FAILING_NOW in an attribute's line, that would be a reason to worry |
| 13:41.58 | ben_goodger | I'm getting "old age" and "pre-fail"... |
| 13:41.59 | wols_ | or when more and more sectors are relocated when doing long tests |
| 13:42.26 | liable | pumpkin0: hrm. |
| 13:42.39 | ben_goodger | apparently the thing is overheated by 15 degrees |
| 13:42.55 | liable | pumpkin0: and wpasupp or NM are definately running? should cause a lockup anyway.. newest firmware? |
| 13:42.59 | ben_goodger | but surely the maximum can't be 20 degrees.... |
| 13:43.02 | liable | *not* |
| 13:43.59 | liable | pumpkin0: anything in kernel logs from the lockups? |
| 13:44.04 | pumpkin0 | liable: wpa_supp is not running. I need it for my network at home, but it is not auto-started and ps aus | grep wpa shows nothing. NM should not be installed. |
| 13:44.12 | pumpkin0 | liable: no, dmesg is clean. |
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| 13:45.36 | liable | pumpkin0: so just trying to set an ssid locks the box or just kills the wifi card? |
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| 13:45.48 | pumpkin0 | liable: right. |
| 13:45.55 | liable | pumpkin0: which? |
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| 13:46.51 | pumpkin0 | liable: setting via /etc/networking/interfaces kills the box, via iwconfig eth0 essid it kills the radio. |
| 13:46.54 | xored | petemc: hmm iam getting 2007-10-31 14:34:30 Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=102 egid=102 |
| 13:47.04 | liable | pumpkin0: humour me and try ssid rather than essid in iwconfig |
| 13:47.16 | petemc | xored: using the exim that came with debian? |
| 13:47.18 | sep | is it expected that tasksel install [any task that contains multiple ispell language packages] are going to freeze if run in noninteractive mode ? |
| 13:47.19 | liable | pumpkin0: sounds ominous |
| 13:47.22 | xored | petemc: the exim4 log dir ist there, i created a mainlog, chown everything .. does not help |
| 13:47.24 | xored | petemc: yes. |
| 13:47.32 | petemc | xored: you created mainlog? |
| 13:47.34 | liable | pumpkin0: have you checked for wireless-tools bugs ? |
| 13:47.35 | pumpkin0 | liable: "Error : unrecognised wireless request "ssid"" |
| 13:47.37 | helo | i think i'm going to try nfs mounting /usr/local (or something else by changing ld.so...) to include all of the extra apps not available in teh repos |
| 13:47.43 | petemc | xored: you shouldnt need to create it |
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| 13:47.59 | pumpkin0 | liable: nothing matching in the bts, looking at the intel-firmware bugs now ... |
| 13:48.02 | xored | petemc: it did not worked without the creation too |
| 13:48.08 | petemc | xored: it should have |
| 13:48.26 | xored | petemc: what could i check for? |
| 13:48.32 | petemc | xored: what does ls -la /var/log/exim4/mainlog say ? |
| 13:48.37 | helo | will nfs tunneled over ssh kill your cpu while transferring megs of data? |
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| 13:49.53 | xored | petemc: even if i set the permissions to 777 of exim4 and exim4/log i get this error |
| 13:49.59 | petemc | xored: answer the question |
| 13:50.19 | xored | petemc: -rwxrwxrwx 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 0 2007-10-31 14:35 mainlog* |
| 13:50.49 | petemc | xored: thats not right, you shouldnt be messing with that stuff |
| 13:51.00 | xored | petemc: it was just a test. |
| 13:51.01 | pumpkin0 | liable: OK, i give up and will take a ethernet-cable to the U. It is easier to fight for the plugs then to make this sh!t work. |
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| 13:51.41 | sep | i guess my questions are just not suited for irc. |
| 13:51.43 | xored | petemc: to see if its the permissions. I think the mistake could be an other one. The logdir is an munted truecrypt drive...maybe the user is not allowed to write on that drive ? |
| 13:51.55 | petemc | xored: thats possible |
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| 13:52.35 | liable | pumpkin0: those cards are genrally well behaved, i suspect its possibly the hardware, but do post a mail to intel-dev mailing list |
| 13:54.08 | xored | petemc: i restored all the old permissions |
| 13:54.46 | xored | petemc: is exim writing through syslog or a other way ? because syslog is root, which is ablet to write |
| 13:55.35 | xored | petemc: ok, the user cant enter the logdir. It does not even see that its mounted. |
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| 13:57.57 | spq | how can i print all defined quotas for one device? (not only those users/groups in /etc/passwd and /etc/group files) |
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| 13:58.26 | DustyBin | i have an idea, on my debian desktop i only use iceweasel, amsn, irssi, XFCE and thats about it. Because the stable versions are pretty old and im only using those packages, would it be ok to use lenny testing, or would it crash all the time? |
| 13:58.39 | ezguy | hi, what wget can i use to download all files with .iso extention in http://target.download/iso/*.iso ? |
| 13:58.54 | ezguy | wget options? |
| 13:59.01 | cast | DustyBin: any specific new features you need? |
| 13:59.03 | wols_ | DustyBin: even unstable crashes only rarely. that's not why they're called testing or unstable |
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| 13:59.10 | ben_goodger | DustyBin: I use lenny for everything, and it never crashes for me at all.. |
| 13:59.19 | DustyBin | cast: its mainly for XFCE a lot has changed |
| 13:59.30 | wols_ | zepp^: wget has an option "only downlaod files of extension X" afaik |
| 13:59.31 | DustyBin | ok im going to use testing just for my desktop |
| 13:59.46 | cast | DustyBin: i use etch, but have compiled irssi/pidgin/e16/e16 and installed them with stow, that works very well for me |
| 13:59.59 | wols_ | or use backports |
| 13:59.59 | \amethyst | I use sid for everything, and it doesn't crash for me |
| 14:00.00 | DustyBin | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free <-- is this the correct line to use for sources.list ? |
| 14:00.02 | mindmedic | ezguy: not every http server allows directory listings ... to download all files linked to from a website look at wgets recursive options -r & -l x |
| 14:00.06 | wols_ | especially for stuff like iceweasel |
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| 14:00.31 | wols_ | !tell DustyBin about sources.list |
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| 14:01.20 | alexbodn | hi all |
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| 14:02.31 | alexbodn | when migrating a lan authentication to ldap, what user/group add/mod/del suite is recommended, to keep debian functionality? |
| 14:02.56 | cr3 | I'm trying to use csplit to split a file on the pattern %INFO:% but it's not being split at all, what might be the problem? |
| 14:02.57 | DustyBin | right, its time to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:03.01 | DustyBin | see you on the other side... |
| 14:03.25 | wols_ | you won't disconnect, will you? |
| 14:03.42 | DustyBin | nope |
| 14:03.48 | alexbodn | i've seen smbldap-tools and libuser, but none of them really worked for me thus far |
| 14:04.17 | spq | how can i print all defined quotas for one device? (not only those users/groups in /etc/passwd and /etc/group files) |
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| 14:05.14 | DustyBin | etch for servers, lenny for desktops :D |
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| 14:05.30 | DustyBin | why didnt i think of this before doh |
| 14:06.25 | xored | petemc: ok which owner / permissions does exim4 have to have ? |
| 14:06.36 | spq | nobody knows how to print these quotas?! |
| 14:06.51 | kwadronaut | spq: what kind of quotas? diskquotas? |
| 14:06.58 | spq | user/group quotas |
| 14:07.18 | spq | >> how can i print all defined quotas for one device? (not only those users/groups in /etc/passwd and /etc/group files) |
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| 14:08.03 | |messiah| | I want to ask about the instalation of my wifi card, In windows I see the card is a broadcom card but if I made this from linux if I put lspci I don't see the Broadcom I only see System Peripherical: Unknow Device... what I have wrong? |
| 14:08.15 | sakhi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.18 | sakhi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.19 | wols_ | |messiah|: update-pciids |
| 14:08.33 | sakhi_ | ohi all, |
| 14:08.33 | wols_ | sakhi_: we don't support ubuntu variants |
| 14:08.41 | Asmooh | can i burn an .cdr with gnome baker? |
| 14:09.19 | sakhi_ | okay |
| 14:09.28 | wols_ | Asmooh: depends what format .cdr actaully is |
| 14:09.31 | spq | kwadronaut, no idea? |
| 14:09.32 | kwadronaut | hmmm spq you want them from one device not one filesystem? i guess you'll have to write a little script then. not sure though. |
| 14:09.49 | spq | filesystem is good |
| 14:09.59 | spq | i meant filesystem |
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| 14:10.06 | kwadronaut | spq: i'll first try it out before i say nonsense brb |
| 14:10.07 | Asmooh | wols_, MAC OSX 10.4.9.cdr: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data UDF filesystem data |
| 14:10.28 | wols_ | should be able to |
| 14:10.32 | Asmooh | ok : |
| 14:10.46 | spq | repquota cant do the job |
| 14:10.56 | spq | i really cant find anything what does it |
| 14:10.56 | wols_ | tho: from my ponytailed friends I remember that OSX images won't boot unless burnt under OSX |
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| 14:11.37 | Asmooh | yea; but i cant burn on my mac :P |
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| 14:12.29 | |messiah| | cool thanks |
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| 14:13.14 | kwadronaut | spq: you tried the repquota -avsgu ? (just figured out that i can't test so i might be saying stupid things) |
| 14:13.35 | spq | yes |
| 14:13.45 | spq | this just prints the infos for the users in /etc/passwd |
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| 14:14.01 | spq | and that is my problem... |
| 14:14.12 | spq | i want it for every userid, not those named there |
| 14:15.18 | theatro | you have UIDs that there are not in /etc/passwd? |
| 14:15.28 | theatro | how that works? |
| 14:15.30 | kwadronaut | spq: and have you tried switching off quotas, then quotacheck (with correct options that i don't know about) |
| 14:15.48 | kwadronaut | theatro: network. quotas are just files on that specific filesystem |
| 14:16.08 | kwadronaut | theatro: being read/used when told so during mounting |
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| 14:17.00 | flokuehn | hi. is anybody around who is familar with xen |
| 14:17.03 | flokuehn | ? |
| 14:17.53 | kwadronaut | flokuehn: there is a debian-xen channel (i tend to forget on which irc network. try irc.oftc.net ) |
| 14:18.06 | flokuehn | kwadronaut: thank you |
| 14:18.27 | kwadronaut | !debian-xen |
| 14:18.46 | kwadronaut | !xen |
| 14:18.46 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:19.56 | flokuehn | kwadronaut: i didnt know that there is an own channel. so maybe they can help me. |
| 14:21.08 | kwadronaut | flokuehn: well there are quite a lot of people in here that might be able to help you anyways. it doesn't hurt asking your question |
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| 14:24.08 | [intra]lanman | can anyone point me to a _good_ tutorial for dual-booting deb and vista? (vista's already installed) |
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| 14:24.40 | wols_ | [intra]lanman: install debian and be done |
| 14:24.49 | [intra]lanman | :-) |
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| 14:25.31 | helo | if i want to allow an untrusted person to type in a one-time password and trigger an emergency script, do i need to insulate the script from the input of the user after they login? i don't want them to be able to ctrl+z and get a shell |
| 14:25.33 | [intra]lanman | thing is.... i need windoze from time to time..... i do plan to use my linux part as primary, but that's all i can do on this machine |
| 14:25.42 | Ronin | just make you you pick the correct area to install debian |
| 14:26.00 | wols_ | [intra]lanman: just install debian. it will recognize windows and put it on your grub menu |
| 14:26.04 | spq | kwadronaut: for ((i=0;i<65535;i++)); do quota -g $i; done|egrep -v '^Disk quotas for group [^ ]+ [(]gid [0-9]+[)]: none' |
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| 14:26.23 | spq | (just needs 2 minutes) |
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| 14:26.37 | kwadronaut | spq: it works/ed? |
| 14:26.49 | spq | it works yes :) |
| 14:26.51 | [intra]lanman | i read that the installer can resize an ntfs part (which i'm gonna need to do).... how reliable is that? |
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| 14:27.06 | spq | but its bad that this is not implemented anywhere else |
| 14:27.27 | werewolf | Hi all, why clamav-milter write email in /tmp even if I put in the options quarantine-dir ? |
| 14:27.59 | kwadronaut | spq: esp groupquotas aren't *that* often used. but i agree with you. |
| 14:28.33 | spq | it is not only for grpquotas, it is for usrquotas too |
| 14:28.51 | spq | why arent grpquotas used that often? |
| 14:29.43 | kwadronaut | i see it's also for uerquotas :-). Why? i don't know. maybe it's just my personal impression... |
| 14:30.04 | spq | i dont use usrquotas, only grpquotas ^^ |
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| 14:30.34 | spq | all of my webspace customers have one group and all their ftp accounts are in that group |
| 14:31.00 | abrotman | [intra]lanman: backup your data first if it's important .. most do it without issue .. but you should prepare for data loss anyways |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | if it's imporant |
| 14:32.07 | [intra]lanman | abrotman: thanks... it's a new laptop so there's not much important on there yet.... just curious what i should expect.... i've used knoppix and kparted before, so i'm assuming it's simliar |
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| 14:32.16 | ruben | hello, how can I save a file using utf-8? |
| 14:32.22 | abrotman | [intra]lanman: it is |
| 14:32.36 | abrotman | ruben: make it your default locale |
| 14:32.38 | spq | whats the maximum uid/gid on linux? |
| 14:32.45 | abrotman | probably 65535 |
| 14:32.48 | spq | ok |
| 14:32.54 | spq | so its a 2byte integer |
| 14:32.57 | abrotman | just a guess .. i'm sure it's in a conf file somewhere |
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| 14:33.10 | spq | really?? |
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| 14:34.02 | spq | cant imagine that (the filesystems have to know the size of uid/gid values to store them in their inodes) |
| 14:35.12 | abrotman | i meant the max allowed |
| 14:35.46 | spq | hm, you mean one can configured a number x < 65535 ? |
| 14:35.57 | abrotman | might depend on your architecture |
| 14:36.06 | abrotman | it's just a guess .. don't hold me to it |
| 14:36.08 | wols_ | spq: ACLs |
| 14:36.24 | spq | wols_? |
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| 14:36.59 | wols_ | I mean it's possible to have UIDs > 65536 |
| 14:37.12 | spq | ah |
| 14:37.21 | wols_ | you might need to patch the kernel but it's imaginable |
| 14:37.36 | spq | k |
| 14:37.45 | helo | would it be safe to set the shell of an untrusted user to a bash script that was not designed to be ran as a shell? |
| 14:37.45 | spq | but i think it will be much work |
| 14:38.30 | wols_ | helo: what does the script do? |
| 14:38.31 | [intra]lanman | helo: can you elaborate on that? |
| 14:38.32 | spq | what do you mean with not designed to be run as a shell? |
| 14:38.42 | spq | (helo) |
| 14:39.11 | helo | if i wanted someone to be able to log in and maybe just receive the date and time, could i make a user named 'joe' with password 'public', set the shell to '/bin/date', and publish the password? |
| 14:39.27 | helo | rather, wanted anyone... |
| 14:39.35 | abrotman | there are better ways to do that |
| 14:39.56 | wols_ | helo: inetd.conf #daytime stream tcp nowait root internal |
| 14:40.07 | dwu | \o/ |
| 14:40.08 | helo | that is not my particular situation |
| 14:40.11 | helo | that was just an example... |
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| 14:40.39 | dwu | Asking about your particular situation is probably going to be more helpful. |
| 14:41.42 | [intra]lanman | helo: i used something similar once to let a user tail a particular log file tail -f /file.log | grep stuff and it worked ok..... but he wasn't "malicious" .... who are you expecting to use this? |
| 14:42.03 | helo | it is as simple as this: if it is safe to run /bin/date as a shell for untrusted users security-wise, it is safe for me to do what i need to do |
| 14:42.03 | \amethyst | helo: the shell has to be in /etc/shells |
| 14:42.35 | wols_ | helo: depends on the actual /bin/date |
| 14:42.45 | wols_ | and as you've been told, there are better ways to display the date |
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| 14:43.03 | wols_ | which means your question as it stands is not answerable |
| 14:43.10 | helo | what if i want to display some particular output of a program, perhaps for another anonymous program to receive? |
| 14:43.31 | helo | i mean, of course i should just use soap, but i am kind of curious whether this would work too |
| 14:43.44 | wols_ | you've been told what to tell us |
| 14:44.23 | helo | really? |
| 14:44.31 | wols_ | yes |
| 14:44.42 | helo | what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 14:44.52 | wols_ | what exactyl do you want to run? |
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| 14:45.03 | wols_ | what scripts, what commands, etc |
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| 14:47.01 | debian | How can I partition a USB disk? |
| 14:47.11 | debian | Ït has an 2.5" sata inside! |
| 14:47.27 | wols_ | same way you partition any disk |
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| 14:47.50 | debian | Whoho it showed up in the gparted |
| 14:47.52 | wols_ | debian: what device is the usb disk? |
| 14:48.00 | rrittenhouse | Where does debian log cron (if it does?) |
| 14:48.12 | debian | Is ther any risk icluded when I resize an NTFS partiton? |
| 14:48.15 | wols_ | grep cron /var/log/* |
| 14:48.31 | wols_ | whenever you write to disk there is a risk. always |
| 14:48.36 | Ronin | debian: always a risk resixing partitons |
| 14:48.47 | debian | Because my IT gyt will kill me if i kill my computer. |
| 14:48.55 | debian | should I risk it? |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:48.55 | Ronin | debian: then dont do it |
| 14:49.08 | [intra]lanman | debian: feeling lucky? |
| 14:49.11 | Ronin | especially on a work computer that you likely arent allowed to do things like that on |
| 14:49.13 | debian | yes |
| 14:49.13 | [intra]lanman | i'm doing it |
| 14:49.18 | [intra]lanman | right now as we speak |
| 14:49.22 | [intra]lanman | errrrr. type |
| 14:49.26 | \amethyst | debian: can't you make a backup image? |
| 14:49.31 | debian | He said I could do anything I was able to.' |
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| 14:49.51 | debian | Doesn't have the room for a backup- |
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| 14:50.27 | wols_ | !tell debian about ntfs-3g |
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| 14:50.35 | \amethyst | no spare hard drives lying around? guess I'm spoiled |
| 14:50.39 | drmitch | anyone know why my sox, transcode, nfs-common, mplayer, and nfs-kernel-server canot NOT be updated ever in lenny? |
| 14:50.52 | debian | The it guy said I was allowed to do anything I was able too. So I'm allowed, just as long as he doesn't need any help from me. |
| 14:50.53 | [intra]lanman | Ronin: no work agreements.... my laptop.... probably breaking something in the toshiba or ms eula, though |
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| 14:51.25 | \amethyst | drmitch: no, we don't know, not without an error message :) |
| 14:51.35 | debian | And windows is breaking human rights, better to break some work IT rules. |
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| 14:51.40 | CyberMad | when 1st installation of debian i set ip 172.16.x.x, now i need to change it to 192.168.1.x, i already did ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 but everytime restart why it return to 172.16.x.x ?? |
| 14:51.53 | wols_ | CyberMad: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 14:51.54 | \amethyst | CyberMad: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:52.01 | kwadronaut | debian: do you have any pointer about that? (human rights violations) |
| 14:52.27 | Ronin | debian: windows is breaking human rights? heh thats a priceless one |
| 14:52.37 | sonnie | how to recognize "Tach XL2 Fibre Channel"? which module should be enabled? |
| 14:52.47 | wols_ | sonnie: lspci |
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| 14:53.10 | debian | They are stealing from democracy and working with halliberd to attack africa and the middle east. |
| 14:53.19 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 14:53.37 | Ronin | debian: pardon? how are they stealing from democracy? and attacking africa and the middle east? |
| 14:53.41 | axscodes | hi, how can i detect in a shell script that wget has an error? |
| 14:53.59 | sonnie | 50:00.0 Fibre Channel: Hewlett-Packard Company Tach XL2 Fibre Channel Host Adapter |
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| 14:54.09 | ben_goodger | axscodes: it should output on stderror |
| 14:54.11 | debian | why would the www.goodbye-microsoft.com not be able to resize my tfs partition? |
| 14:54.13 | techouse | does anyone hewe own a Logitech MX1000? |
| 14:54.18 | techouse | here* |
| 14:54.18 | [intra]lanman | axscodes: evaluate the $? var ? |
| 14:54.21 | RichiH | hrm |
| 14:54.32 | wols_ | !tell techouse about polls |
| 14:54.35 | sonnie | not sure which module should be loaded, wols_ |
| 14:54.47 | axscodes | [intra]lanman: can u gimme example please.. |
| 14:54.48 | RichiH | fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0) but it is not going to be installed -- yes, i have xserver-xorg 1:7.3+2 (current unstable) |
| 14:54.49 | ben_goodger | debian: change your nick, it's silly; also, NTFS is unpublished and proprietary and resizing it is extremely difficult and very risky |
| 14:54.50 | wols_ | sonnie: lspci -n what PCI ID? |
| 14:54.59 | axscodes | $? = wget http? |
| 14:55.04 | techouse | i didn't mean to make a poll...was just asking if someone could help me setup my MX1000 |
| 14:55.11 | sonnie | 103c:1029 wols |
| 14:55.13 | [intra]lanman | if [ "$?" == "0" ] then echo all is well |
| 14:55.13 | ZEA | hello. I have a machine with two equal sata drives. I want to install etch with a raid mirror configuration, but when partitioning, lvm only allows me to choose one of the drives (either sda or sdb). what's the correct way of doing this? |
| 14:55.16 | RichiH | yet* |
| 14:55.25 | debian | Oh, then i'm in deep shit. cause i've started to resize |
| 14:55.26 | CyberMad | i need to put my pc server (debian) on limited space.. so there is no space for monitor.. do you know how to set vga from PC can be display to my laptop screen? |
| 14:55.40 | axscodes | wget http:// ; if $? == 0 |
| 14:55.46 | axscodes | like that? |
| 14:55.47 | kwadronaut | debian: oh i thought directly through there license agreements orso. but yes, working together with haliburton qualifies as violating human rights. |
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| 14:55.59 | [intra]lanman | axscodes: right, $? is the return code |
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| 14:56.15 | helo | using a simple server process in inetd.conf scales with cpus pretty well i bet... |
| 14:56.34 | axscodes | ok.. so the last command return code is in $? |
| 14:56.37 | debian-is-me | So you agree, microsoft is breaking human rights? |
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| 14:56.41 | [intra]lanman | axscodes: correct |
| 14:56.53 | Eulex | debian-is-me, if you've already started the resize you shouldn't interrupt it, no. |
| 14:56.54 | axscodes | nice.. thanks... good good |
| 14:56.58 | hark | RichiH: aptitude why-not fglrx-driver |
| 14:57.03 | Ronin | debian-is-me: no i dont agree |
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| 14:57.18 | Ronin | but this is the wrong channel for that discussion |
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| 14:57.19 | [intra]lanman | axscodes: you can try that with a grep on a file that you know the content of.... see how it returns when you grep something that's not in there.... and when it is |
| 14:57.23 | CyberMad | btw, how to make my debian shutdown every 6 PM and turn on automatically on 8 AM ? |
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| 14:57.38 | Eteocles | do you guys think this name can be confused with anything? |
| 14:57.39 | axscodes | what do u mean |
| 14:57.43 | Eteocles | like Atalanta was with Atlanta? |
| 14:57.49 | [intra]lanman | CyberMad: etherwake? |
| 14:57.53 | axscodes | find / | grep machine | echo $? |
| 14:57.55 | sonnie | wols, any hints? |
| 14:57.56 | rance | CyberMad: I can help you turn it off at 6Pm every day |
| 14:57.58 | ZEA | CyberMad: crontab and your mobo's setup, respectively ? |
| 14:58.15 | axscodes | find / | grep machine ; echo $? |
| 14:58.27 | rance | CyberMad, turning it back on will be fun |
| 14:58.34 | [intra]lanman | axscodes: echo blah > file.txt..... then grep blah; echo $? |
| 14:58.34 | CyberMad | ok, crontab for turn off the PC :) |
| 14:58.51 | debian-is-me | should take a long time to make a 26.something empty space on an usb 1.1 with a sata inside when it used to be sata? |
| 14:59.00 | debian-is-me | 26.something gb |
| 14:59.05 | zren | hey guys, i got a short question: is it easy to secure a vpnserver? I mean if i keep it in the newest version, change passwords from time to time and use more or less the standard configuration. I want to use OpenVPN |
| 14:59.10 | axscodes | nice.. thats very cool you know |
| 14:59.15 | RichiH | hark: cool. it seems xserver-xorg-core conflicts with xserver-xorg-video-1.0 which fglrx-driver provides |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | debian-is-me: ytes |
| 14:59.30 | rance | CyberMad: you have a wake-on-lan capable nic? use cron from another machine, so send traffic to that nic and wake up that machine. |
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| 14:59.37 | RichiH | as xserver-zorg depends on its -core (duh) that means i am sol :) |
| 14:59.58 | CyberMad | rance ah.. ok :) |
| 15:00.05 | CyberMad | thanks for opinion :) |
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| 15:00.21 | Asmooh | how can i reset my language in debian ? |
| 15:00.26 | hark | RichiH: i think it's been like this for a while now.. you could downgrade xserver-xorg-core maybe |
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| 15:00.43 | debian-is-me | I also want to get rid of sweedish languae! |
| 15:00.47 | wols_ | sonnie: from what I just read on LKML, this is a scsi adapter which had a a bad driver in 2.2 and 2.4. not in 2.6 anymore |
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| 15:01.00 | hahaghost | I'm using a self compiled kernel,but after i do like this, "make-kpkg --added-modules madwifi modules",and then dpkg -i /usr/src/madwifi-modules-$KVERS.deb, I got this error:madwifi-modules-2.6.22 depends on linux-image-2.6.22; however:Package linux-image-2.6.22 is not installed,,Who can help me..thx |
| 15:01.14 | RichiH | hark: nah, it is not that urgent, really |
| 15:01.34 | wols_ | hahaghost: use modules-assistant |
| 15:01.37 | axscodes | [intra]lanman: how about, if there is no extra space for the file to be save by wget, coz i dont want to delete the file when wget its not ok. |
| 15:01.38 | sonnie | wols, so i have to leave the disk array.. |
| 15:01.40 | RichiH | i want it for power savings more than for 3d so.. *shrug* |
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| 15:01.53 | wols_ | sonnie: or use a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:01.57 | axscodes | [intra]lanman: is there anyway i can do with that scenario? |
| 15:02.06 | hahaghost | wols_, m-a a-i madwifi ? |
| 15:02.10 | sonnie | is it too bad? |
| 15:02.13 | wols_ | !madwifi |
| 15:02.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:02.45 | [intra]lanman | wols_: thanks.... i was gonna ask about madwifi, but didn't wanna go over my question quota for the day ;-) |
| 15:03.13 | [intra]lanman | !madwifi-install |
| 15:03.13 | dpkg | well, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 15:04.19 | sonnie | oh bad luck, apt can't find 2.4.x kernel on parisc |
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| 15:04.37 | wols_ | there is no 2.4 in debian etch |
| 15:04.55 | sonnie | sigh |
| 15:05.14 | hark | RichiH: ah, i think you can install the fglrx-driver in experimental |
| 15:05.53 | axscodes | hi, if i have my wifi card already detected.. |
| 15:06.03 | CharminTheMoose | what is the keyboard device in /dev? |
| 15:06.09 | axscodes | how can i connect to an unsecured accesspoint ? |
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| 15:06.28 | debian-is-me | axscodes: Lol |
| 15:06.29 | axscodes | i dont have X |
| 15:06.34 | debian-is-me | oh then |
| 15:06.35 | [intra]lanman | axscodes: iwconfig, maybe? |
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| 15:06.39 | kwadronaut | axscodes: iwconfig interface essid nameofessid |
| 15:06.40 | debian-is-me | Install x? |
| 15:06.54 | kwadronaut | axscodes: dhlient interface |
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| 15:06.59 | glen_quagmire | I can send emails through exim4,. How can I send emails using arbitrary id? like noreply@mydomain.com instead of myid@mydomain.com ? |
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| 15:07.32 | axscodes | dhlient ? or dhclient? |
| 15:08.04 | [intra]lanman | dhclient |
| 15:08.10 | kwadronaut | axscodes: dhclient, of course. /me joins #dyslexic |
| 15:08.13 | axscodes | dhclient eth2; iwconfig eth2 essid thehotel |
| 15:08.15 | axscodes | likethat |
| 15:08.47 | debian-is-me | I'm the admin at dyslexic |
| 15:08.54 | hark | DYSLEXICS OF THE WORLD, UNTIE! |
| 15:08.54 | debian-is-me | I'm the admin at #dyslexic |
| 15:08.58 | axscodes | do the netinstall have iwconfig ? |
| 15:09.07 | debian-is-me | don't think so |
| 15:09.07 | [intra]lanman | i'm an po there too |
| 15:09.09 | hark | axscodes: yes |
| 15:09.13 | axscodes | nice |
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| 15:09.44 | axscodes | is there any utility that capture the essid ? |
| 15:09.51 | [intra]lanman | wooohoooo seems like the ntfs resize went well |
| 15:10.02 | [intra]lanman | axscodes: iwlist |
| 15:10.05 | debian-is-me | Mine is still going on |
| 15:10.11 | axscodes | nice |
| 15:10.13 | axscodes | iwlist |
| 15:10.18 | debian-is-me | It seams like i'm resizing the world |
| 15:10.38 | [intra]lanman | yeah, i only had to resize north america :-) |
| 15:10.49 | debian-is-me | hehe |
| 15:11.01 | axscodes | where you from intra? |
| 15:11.19 | [intra]lanman | from or reside? |
| 15:11.30 | axscodes | reside to be specific |
| 15:11.38 | [intra]lanman | VA |
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| 15:11.48 | axscodes | where is that.. Valencia? |
| 15:11.53 | axscodes | whats VA |
| 15:11.54 | axscodes | hehe |
| 15:11.57 | [intra]lanman | Virginia |
| 15:12.02 | axscodes | ic.. |
| 15:12.06 | axscodes | thats part of? |
| 15:12.18 | debian-is-me | west virginia |
| 15:12.23 | Eulex | the us of a |
| 15:12.23 | [intra]lanman | whoa now |
| 15:12.24 | axscodes | hehehe |
| 15:12.31 | axscodes | ic.. |
| 15:12.37 | axscodes | us still... |
| 15:12.47 | axscodes | why you want to resize northen.. |
| 15:13.08 | [intra]lanman | make it too small for the illegal aliens :-D |
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| 15:13.26 | axscodes | oh... thought the other way.. hehe... |
| 15:13.36 | [intra]lanman | heh, or maybe that |
| 15:13.43 | axscodes | hihi |
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| 15:13.55 | axscodes | thats recognition |
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| 15:15.30 | debian-is-me | Gparted= Gretarted |
| 15:15.39 | debian-is-me | it won't resize ntfs |
| 15:15.43 | axscodes | when you bridge two eth, it becomes promiscuous ? |
| 15:15.51 | debian-is-me | it says resizing faiiles |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | axscodes: yes |
| 15:15.54 | [intra]lanman | debian-is-me: sure it will |
| 15:16.03 | [intra]lanman | mine seemed to work flawlessly |
| 15:16.21 | sonnie | how to modify sources.list in order to install 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:16.24 | axscodes | anyone played with dvb-s card |
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| 15:16.36 | debian-is-me | It tells me that it fails |
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| 15:16.42 | glen_quagmire | how can I change email address of sender? I send emails every night after rsync. but email is like root@rsync-mirror.company.com |
| 15:17.15 | abrotman | sonnie: which version of debian ? |
| 15:17.21 | debian-is-me | anyone that know how to install debian without cd, floppy, screwdriver, usb, only one computer with win xp? |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 15:17.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 15:18.03 | __kaiser__ | is there a way I can check when a file is ready? or get the date of the last time a file was read? |
| 15:18.10 | __kaiser__ | * /ready/read |
| 15:18.12 | debian-is-me | Not wery helpfull |
| 15:18.27 | axscodes | debian-is-me: vmware? |
| 15:18.33 | sonnie | abrotman: i'm using lenny on pa-risc |
| 15:18.35 | debian-is-me | not gonna happen |
| 15:18.39 | themill | __kaiser__: man 1 stat |
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| 15:18.47 | __kaiser__ | themill, ty |
| 15:18.58 | axscodes | BIOS |
| 15:19.01 | axscodes | boot pxe |
| 15:19.27 | debian-is-me | WIndows takes 5++ min to start, thats why i'm swapping |
| 15:19.27 | axscodes | netboot? |
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| 15:19.28 | debian-is-me | not without another computer, and isn't that difficult to setup? |
| 15:19.49 | __kaiser__ | themill, exactly what I needed, thank you. |
| 15:19.51 | Asmooh | eh what was the name for the small icons in gnome, u can put xchat there, amsn, ryhtmbox and stuff? what was tje applet name |
| 15:19.53 | drmitch | that's weird, windows takes me 30 sec at MOST |
| 15:20.00 | axscodes | debian-is-me: partition your drive |
| 15:20.03 | chops | tc is my new least favorite tool -- I seem totally unable to figure out what's up with it. |
| 15:20.06 | drmitch | even after 1 year of running it |
| 15:20.13 | debian-is-me | I'm trying to |
| 15:20.21 | themill | __kaiser__: no problem :) it's a very nice little swiss army knife... |
| 15:20.28 | axscodes | magic partition... |
| 15:20.30 | debian-is-me | but it doesn't seam to work |
| 15:20.39 | axscodes | magic partition will work |
| 15:20.39 | debian-is-me | cannot bot magic partition |
| 15:20.49 | axscodes | can |
| 15:20.49 | epsilon | hm |
| 15:20.51 | debian-is-me | without booting it? |
| 15:20.51 | chops | I want to do ingress filtering on downloads from a single specific host. I'm trying to steal this functionality from wondershaper (which in the only supposedly-working example of using tc I've been able to find), but the following line doesn't work: |
| 15:20.54 | [intra]lanman | chops: yeah, tc sucks |
| 15:21.01 | chops | tc qdisc add dev $DEV handle ffff: ingress |
| 15:21.10 | DustyBin | im using lenny and nothing has crashed! |
| 15:21.11 | axscodes | edit your MBR |
| 15:21.18 | __kaiser__ | themill, yes, yes it is |
| 15:21.24 | snacky | [intra]lanman: any suggestion for something with similar functionality, that doesn't suck? |
| 15:21.26 | epsilon | why are samba installation on 2 box with same config behaving different? on one box I have to refresh in Windows Explorer before I see changes in filesystem... |
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| 15:21.53 | [intra]lanman | snacky: nope, tc is pretty much it.... learn to love it :-) |
| 15:22.06 | chops | That gives the perfectly-logical-seeming error 'Unknown qdisc "ffff:", hence option "ingress" is unparsable'. Unfortunately, my sympathy with tc's lack of understanding of what "ffff:" is or where it comes from doesn't get me any closer to a meaningful dialogue. |
| 15:22.52 | chops | It just sits there, failing to work with the stony, hostile silence of an angered basilisk. |
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| 15:23.32 | debian-is-me | Should www.goodbye-microsoft.com be able to resize an ntfs partiton? |
| 15:23.34 | chops | [intra]lanman: I've learned to love a wide variety of tools with poor interfaces (I'm looking at you, EVMS), but this is fscking ridiculous. |
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| 15:24.14 | axscodes | resize is possible... after must be able to load new MBR. or edit the existing MBR |
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| 15:24.20 | chops | Holy hell! I have progress! |
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| 15:24.28 | debian-is-me | MBR? |
| 15:24.33 | [intra]lanman | chops: i've heard that there's an xml-based tc config tool on sourceforge.... but it's all in german, so not sure how much easier/harder it'll be to use |
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| 15:24.59 | [intra]lanman | chops: istshaper or something |
| 15:25.07 | chops | [intra]lanman: Yeah, great. XML is obviously what the situation needs. Why not throw some J2EE and some MFC into it while we're at it? |
| 15:25.09 | Nyle | scp khotkeysrc stoned@desktop:/home/stoned/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc |
| 15:25.12 | Nyle | oops |
| 15:25.25 | AbsintheSyringe | how do I know which hd0,0 is my /dev/sda4 |
| 15:25.28 | chops | [intra]lanman: Not that I'm not grateful that you're trying to help me :-) |
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| 15:25.37 | AbsintheSyringe | /dev/sda is hd0 what is my /dev/sda4 |
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| 15:27.03 | Phoix | when i install debian it installs onto/into device/partition /dev/sde2 but then when the install is finnished and i try and boot the root device changes to /dev/hdg2 , i think it has something to do with my internal multicard reader which gets given /dev/sda /dev/sdb /sdc /dev/sdd and also when i do change the root device in grub boot prompt to /dev/hdg2 and the system boots i have no cdrom device?? can anyone help me |
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| 15:27.58 | chops | Huh. I tried one logical-seeming thing, it failed to work, and now it suddenly decided to work. |
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| 15:28.27 | glen_quagmire | now i can send emails as root <noreply@foo.com> .. how can I change `root` part? what's that called? |
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| 15:28.36 | chops | Of course, my ingress filters still don't show up in 'tc filter ls dev eth1'... but at least they do seem to function. That's a big step. |
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| 15:29.19 | debian-is-me | GPARTED IS STILL RETARTED; IT WONT RESIZE USB PARTITION; JUST LIKE THE DEBIAN INSTALLER; WHAT CAN BE WRONG? |
| 15:30.12 | Phoix | no one with answers lol |
| 15:30.16 | liable | prolly doesnt understand all the caps? |
| 15:30.32 | debian-is-me | I used shift |
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| 15:30.37 | [intra]lanman | Phoix: hd0,3 ? |
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| 15:31.04 | debian-is-me | can it be related to uid 1000? |
| 15:31.05 | [intra]lanman | Phoix: oh, my bad, wrong question |
| 15:31.17 | Phoix | ok lol i got confused there |
| 15:32.21 | Phoix | as to in what context |
| 15:32.32 | Ronin | debian-is-me: you have a copy of pqmagic handy? it does ntfs quite nicely |
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| 15:33.22 | [intra]lanman | Phoix: do you know what your cdrom is? i mean what device? |
| 15:34.04 | Phoix | its a SATA cdrom drive .. it should be /dev/scd0 |
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| 15:34.41 | Phoix | but that device doesnt exist .. it existed during the installation |
| 15:35.22 | liable | Phoix: do you have a /dev/hda ? |
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| 15:35.33 | [intra]lanman | Phoix: it probably got moved too.... |
| 15:35.38 | Phoix | yes |
| 15:35.56 | liable | Phoix: I take it your hard drive is sata also? |
| 15:36.03 | Phoix | yes |
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| 15:36.20 | liable | Phoix: And your hard drive is sdx? |
| 15:36.24 | ziyax | Any apache2.2.3 etch user with mysql5 etch and php5 etch getting high cpu and loads here? |
| 15:36.36 | Phoix | it was during the installation but after the install it has turned into hdg |
| 15:37.16 | liable | Phoix: thats interesting, is your bios set to compatability mode? |
| 15:37.30 | Phoix | hmm... i havent looked |
| 15:37.53 | liable | Phoix: I guess all your sata stuff is acting a pata for some reason. I would blame your bios firstly. |
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| 15:38.15 | Phoix | what should that be to do with 'compatibility mode', as in what should i look under in the bios settings |
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| 15:38.37 | liable | Phoix: you want 'ahci' mode for sata stuff |
| 15:38.56 | Phoix | i see , yes i have that setting in the bios it isnt on tho .. |
| 15:38.59 | Phoix | i'll try it out |
| 15:39.02 | liable | Phoix: Be warned, if you change it, you won't be able to boot debian as it stands. |
| 15:39.02 | Phoix | thanks |
| 15:39.13 | Phoix | so i have to reinstall? |
| 15:39.16 | Asmooh | whats the gnome default applet for icons at the top of ur screen? where u can dock amsn, rhytmbox |
| 15:39.23 | Phoix | or change something in grub |
| 15:39.37 | liable | Phoix: No, but you will need to edit your menu.lst and fstab |
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| 15:39.56 | Phoix | ok, what will the devices be turned into? |
| 15:40.04 | liable | Phoix: You will have to do this with the install cd or a rescue disk |
| 15:40.14 | Phoix | ok |
| 15:40.25 | liable | Phoix: good question, they should be sda, sdb, sd.. |
| 15:40.34 | Phoix | ok |
| 15:40.59 | Phoix | thanks for the help/info .. will be back in a bit going to try it out |
| 15:41.02 | Phoix | :) |
| 15:41.07 | liable | gl |
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| 15:44.45 | xXCarpXx | hello |
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| 15:45.03 | xXCarpXx | when i type in "apt-get remove python2.3" it also wants to remove postgresql |
| 15:45.14 | xXCarpXx | how can i remove python2.3 wihtout deleting my database? |
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| 15:46.32 | kwadronaut | hmmm i'm looking for a bandwithmonitoring tool for vservers. something that divides up per apache vhost, gives totals per month and interface/month. any recommendations? So it should both look at apachelogs and /proc/net/dev |
| 15:47.02 | liable | xXCarpXx: hrm, postgres doesn't seem to depend on python |
| 15:47.02 | tback | hi there, did anyone of you experience a problem while installing 2.6.23.1 (vanilla) stating 'no setup signature found'? is it my fault, or is it a problem with the kernel? |
| 15:47.11 | helo | is scp a good alias for cp? |
| 15:47.19 | tback | ups, it's on debian etch |
| 15:47.19 | grub | no |
| 15:47.23 | xXCarpXx | y liable, its a bit confusing |
| 15:47.42 | pickcoder | helo: if you never plan on copying files over ssh.. sure. <g> |
| 15:47.45 | liable | tback: never heard of that one before. and i have compiled a few 23 kernels (rc ones anyway) |
| 15:47.58 | pickcoder | scp is a subsystem of SSH for copying files, if you didn't know |
| 15:48.15 | liable | xXCarpXx: Put your output on a pastebin |
| 15:48.17 | helo | i suppose i meant "is cp a good alias for scp" |
| 15:48.30 | xXCarpXx | its a german linux .. dunno if it helps |
| 15:48.32 | xXCarpXx | but ill try |
| 15:48.46 | pickcoder | either way, you're losing a functional command |
| 15:48.51 | wols_ | !de |
| 15:48.51 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 15:48.58 | liable | xXCarpXx: no, i dont read german :) |
| 15:49.06 | Asmooh | hmm if ? |
| 15:49.21 | liable | xXCarpXx: LANG=CC <apt commands> |
| 15:49.40 | xXCarpXx | http://pastebin.org/6619 |
| 15:49.43 | GuHHH | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.50 | xXCarpXx | sec i will try |
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| 15:50.19 | helo | pickcoder: scp will do local cps |
| 15:50.25 | helo | but cp won't do remote cps... |
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| 15:51.01 | helo | seems like cp's basic functionality is a subset of scp, while losing paramater compatability... which is probably good enough reason not to do it :) |
| 15:51.08 | pickcoder | helo: keep compatibility in mind |
| 15:51.16 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 15:51.32 | xXCarpXx | how to type this in ... with LANG=CC |
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| 15:52.06 | chops | Interestingly enough, a lot of my tc trouble seems to have come from carelessly including snippets of wondershaper into a 'bash -e' script without noticing some lines which silently ignore harmless errors. It's now working for me. |
| 15:52.07 | liable | wols_: ^^ how to make in engrish? |
| 15:52.25 | wols_ | xXCarpXx: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 15:52.42 | wols_ | liable: pretty clea. he wants to remove python and it also removes psotgresql |
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| 15:53.18 | xXCarpXx | [16:52:05] <wols_> xXCarpXx: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 <- how is this connected to me? |
| 15:53.36 | Ronin | xXCarpXx: wols_ wants you to type that in a term and paste the results here |
| 15:53.42 | xXCarpXx | h1138865:/usr/bin# dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 15:53.42 | xXCarpXx | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 15:53.46 | liable | wols_: ok, tell him how to make in the engrish though |
| 15:53.56 | wols_ | liable: you already did |
| 15:54.34 | xXCarpXx | hmm i think this isnt the real problem^^ |
| 15:54.38 | xXCarpXx | with the language ... |
| 15:54.40 | liable | wols_: being a peasent unolinguist, i wasn't sure if i got it right |
| 15:54.54 | liable | peasant even |
| 15:55.00 | xXCarpXx | is teher a way to delete python2.3 without deleting my db |
| 15:55.08 | xXCarpXx | dpkg says the package isnt even installed |
| 15:55.23 | mattenklicker | hi, is it possible to run a command after login, desktop and login manager independent? |
| 15:55.24 | xXCarpXx | ah sry no ... its installed |
| 15:55.37 | wols_ | xXCarpXx: upgrade to etch |
| 15:55.47 | wols_ | in sarge, for some reason or other, postgres depends on python |
| 15:55.53 | xXCarpXx | im running a virtual server on a german webhoster .... |
| 15:56.11 | hark | postgresql is just a metapackage anyway |
| 15:56.20 | xXCarpXx | i think it isnt easy as that ... i will just keepo the stupid python2.3 |
| 15:56.22 | hark | !depends postgresql sarge |
| 15:56.25 | dpkg | postgresql: pre-depends on adduser (>= 3.34) |
| 15:56.26 | wols_ | you will have to upgrade sooner or later anyways. sarge will only be supported for 6 more months anyways |
| 15:56.40 | xXCarpXx | hmm |
| 15:56.47 | xXCarpXx | maybe i gotta search a better webhoster |
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| 15:56.58 | xXCarpXx | they only offer suse10.1 and fedora core 6 |
| 15:57.00 | wols_ | who are you hosting with? |
| 15:57.02 | xXCarpXx | but i wanna stick with debian |
| 15:57.03 | xXCarpXx | strato |
| 15:57.06 | xXCarpXx | www.strato.de |
| 15:57.10 | hark | sarge's postgresql package depends on python2.3 |
| 15:57.11 | wols_ | hetzner > strato |
| 15:57.18 | xXCarpXx | but more expensive |
| 15:57.19 | xXCarpXx | imo |
| 15:57.30 | wols_ | 1and1 is usually the most expensive |
| 15:57.31 | xXCarpXx | ill check it out |
| 15:57.41 | xXCarpXx | ill never go to 1and1^^ |
| 15:57.57 | xXCarpXx | are u german wols_? |
| 15:58.05 | DustyBin | how do you remove the fglrx driver? i installed it with: apt-get install fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant m-a prepare m-a a-i fglrx |
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| 15:58.33 | liable | DustyBin: dpkg -l|grep fglrx .. remove those packages |
| 15:58.36 | hark | DustyBin: dpkg -l |grep fglrx .. purge them |
| 15:58.42 | xXCarpXx | hetzner only offers dedicated servers and webspace ... dedicated are too expensive for me ... and webspace is shit^^ |
| 15:58.49 | DustyBin | thanks ok :D |
| 15:58.51 | liable | !lose hark |
| 15:58.51 | dpkg | hark: You Lose. |
| 15:59.06 | DustyBin | is it true that the fglrx is evil? |
| 15:59.12 | xXCarpXx | lol |
| 15:59.14 | DustyBin | and i should use the open-source driver for my ATI card |
| 15:59.16 | tback | liable: damn - it just won't boot - found a discussion of it in lkml: http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0707.3/0170.html but i didn't understand what they were saying |
| 15:59.30 | xXCarpXx | there arnt any real open source drivers for some never cards^^ |
| 15:59.31 | hark | liable: having fun with the new fglrx? |
| 15:59.34 | liable | tback: you are? |
| 15:59.49 | tback | liable: ? |
| 16:00.03 | liable | tback: Phoix ? |
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| 16:00.11 | liable | hark: no, i have a firegl |
| 16:00.33 | tback | liable: no, i am tback, you just answered to my question a couple of minutes before |
| 16:00.37 | liable | hark: stupid fuckers cant get it right, i did the pci hack, but its still a peice of shit |
| 16:00.57 | wols_ | xXCarpXx: vlinux.de |
| 16:01.00 | liable | tback: oh, sorry, i forgot :) |
| 16:01.08 | wols_ | DustyBin: what videocard do you have? |
| 16:01.23 | xXCarpXx | thx _wols |
| 16:01.28 | xXCarpXx | ill take a look on it |
| 16:01.31 | xXCarpXx | or at it^^ |
| 16:01.39 | hark | liable: oh :/ |
| 16:02.05 | DustyBin | wols_: ATI Radeon Pro 9800, i want to try out compiz, thats why im going to use the 'ATI' driver instead of fglrx |
| 16:02.24 | tback | liable: it seems as if i have to solve that problem by waiting for a new version... but thank you anyway |
| 16:02.34 | liable | hark: no aiglx goodness for another month.. not like it makes much difference, its been that fucking long anyway. |
| 16:02.44 | hark | DustyBin: yeah, the radeon driver's supports it nicely |
| 16:03.06 | liable | tback: i dont understand, is that after patching the kernel or something? |
| 16:04.23 | tback | liable: no it's a plain vanilla 2.6.23.1 on etch, standard grub (0.97), pretty much standard everything |
| 16:04.29 | liable | tback: ooh no, looks interesting after reading a few posts |
| 16:04.44 | liable | tback: does 22 work? |
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| 16:05.12 | liable | tback: i have a 22 kernel on an etch box without problems, or do you have a real need for 23? |
| 16:05.54 | tback | liable: i don't know - my newest working kernel is 2.6.21.5 |
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| 16:07.14 | [intra]lanman | !madwifi-install |
| 16:07.14 | dpkg | i guess madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 16:07.25 | tback | liable: and no i don't have a _real_ reason for 23 (apart from the new scheduler and my affinity for the number 23) |
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| 16:07.36 | liable | tback: ok, so you dont really need a 23 kernel then if you have a 21 working. |
| 16:07.41 | chops | !sns |
| 16:07.50 | chops | ... |
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| 16:08.03 | Qweb-Yavuz | hi there.....i got a strange problem with cron on a debian etch system (migrated from sarge) |
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| 16:08.36 | Asmooh | !distrowar |
| 16:08.37 | Qweb-Yavuz | all cron scripts were working fine on sarge, after dist-upgrade one particular cron script in /etc/cron.d doesn't seem to work |
| 16:08.47 | Asmooh | or what was the command :P |
| 16:09.05 | AbsintheSyringe | how do I add new cdrom as a resp, "Debian testing i386 Bin-1" |
| 16:09.07 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 16:09.07 | dpkg | well, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 16:09.10 | liable | i think it was.. |
| 16:09.11 | Asmooh | ah |
| 16:09.13 | liable | !lart Asmooh |
| 16:09.22 | Asmooh | the otherone was better; with ubuntu ;) |
| 16:09.37 | shogunx | !phillysmite Asmooh |
| 16:09.38 | xXCarpXx | lol whats going on now?^^ |
| 16:09.42 | chops | Asmooh: There are a lot of them |
| 16:09.48 | Asmooh | hm |
| 16:09.54 | ZEA | I'm installing etch to serve as a dns caching server. Besides the 'DNS server' task, should I choose the 'Standard system' task? what does the latter offer? |
| 16:11.09 | DustyBin | jeeze im confused, can you use the fglrx driver with a ATI Radeon Pro 9800 card with compiz? and is the fglrx the open-source driver? |
| 16:11.11 | chops | ZEA: If you just want a simple caching server, you may find dnsmasq better than BIND |
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| 16:11.48 | chops | ZEA: Personally I always start with a standard system and then install packages one by one... YMMV |
| 16:11.59 | liable | DustyBin: i think the opensource radeon driver supports that, and iirc, its a shitload better than fglrx |
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| 16:12.20 | ZEA | chops: hm... I think i'll do that :) |
| 16:12.21 | wols_ | DustyBin: fglrx is NOT open source |
| 16:12.42 | wols_ | DustyBin: and with the totally newest fglrx you _might_ be able to use compiz via AIGLX, but that one is not in debian yet |
| 16:12.43 | DustyBin | so there is no such thing as a open-source ati driver at all? |
| 16:12.53 | liable | i need to shift my iirc to the start of that sentance |
| 16:12.55 | ZEA | chops: what do you mean a simple caching server? this is for an isp |
| 16:12.55 | DustyBin | i see |
| 16:12.56 | wols_ | ati is currently working on AIGLX |
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| 16:13.10 | liable | DustyBin: yes, the radeon driver is opensource |
| 16:13.12 | wols_ | there is a open source ati driver called "ati" but it's not from ati.com |
| 16:13.19 | wols_ | the only ati.com driver is fglrx |
| 16:13.23 | Tomasu | the latest ati driver has aiglx afaik |
| 16:13.36 | liable | and its shit |
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| 16:13.38 | wols_ | Tomasu: let's just say it's a work in progrss still |
| 16:13.40 | chops | ZEA: Ah. Carry on with BIND, then. dnsmasq is for a small home/office network that just wants faster DNS with little/no further configuration... that's a sufficiently more typical case that I half-assumed that it was what you wanted. |
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| 16:13.49 | Tomasu | wols_: always has been ;D |
| 16:13.58 | Tomasu | theres a reason I have an nvidia card now |
| 16:14.03 | Tomasu | 8800GTS ftw |
| 16:14.05 | wols_ | Tomasu: up to last month or so, there was no work on AIGLX at all |
| 16:14.19 | wols_ | Tomasu: 8800GT is better and cheaper :P |
| 16:14.21 | Tomasu | wols_: thats because they replaced the entire codebase |
| 16:14.30 | wols_ | no they didn't |
| 16:14.35 | Tomasu | wols_, it didnt exist 6 months ago :P |
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| 16:14.48 | liable | who are we talking about in this conversation? |
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| 16:14.56 | Tomasu | wols_: yes, they did. the new fglrx drivers for the newer cards is new. |
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| 16:15.05 | Hoxzer | Does debian kernel have Sata support by default ?? |
| 16:15.08 | ZEA | chops: thanks :) |
| 16:15.10 | DustyBin | right, to get compiz working with my card at the moment, i need the radeon 'ati' driver |
| 16:15.12 | wols_ | Hoxzer: yes |
| 16:15.23 | Hoxzer | wols_: how should the hdd show in the dmesg ? |
| 16:15.25 | wols_ | DustyBin: yes |
| 16:15.30 | Eulex | Hoxzer, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 16:15.30 | wols_ | Hoxzer: sda |
| 16:15.34 | tingle | hi im trying to mount my usb mp3 player but get the following output: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb :/ what did i do wrong? the command i used is box:/home/tingle# mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/mp3/ |
| 16:15.36 | ZEA | why... d-i didn't give me a choice and is already asking me where to install lilo... I want grub :x |
| 16:15.37 | Hoxzer | :O oh! |
| 16:15.45 | liable | Hoxzer: yes, whether it supports your sata controller depends on the version |
| 16:15.45 | Hoxzer | HUmm |
| 16:15.56 | Hoxzer | it is latest etch |
| 16:15.57 | wols_ | tingle: sda is a disk, not a partition |
| 16:16.08 | wols_ | tingle: mount sda1 |
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| 16:16.22 | liable | Hoxzer: yeah, but what chip? |
| 16:16.41 | wols_ | ZEA: d-i always installs grub |
| 16:17.21 | liable | when mount gives the bad option thing, its usually going to be a headfuck |
| 16:17.32 | ZEA | wols_: even when partitioning lvm on top of software raid? |
| 16:17.46 | liable | grub doesnt do lvm for / |
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| 16:17.51 | wols_ | ZEA: by default, debian uses grub |
| 16:18.01 | wols_ | you can use lilo but you have to request it |
| 16:18.01 | tclineks | dnsmasq issue: how can I have dnsmasq automatically assume a local domain (act as if i had a 'domain x' line in my resolv.conf) ? |
| 16:18.31 | DustyBin | wols_: i think this is the one from ati.amd.com ---> |
| 16:18.32 | DustyBin | ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver 8.42.3 |
| 16:18.34 | tingle | wols_: i needed to use sdb1, sdb is something else.. sda however is my harddrive |
| 16:18.36 | ZEA | liable: ah damn. I didn't do an md for grub :x. I just used the entire disk to form a software raid 1 array and put lvm on top of it |
| 16:18.59 | wols_ | tingle: then do it. but you asked about sda |
| 16:19.02 | wols_ | DustyBin: yes |
| 16:19.03 | tingle | wols_: how do i unmount it whhen i done? |
| 16:19.07 | Hoxzer | liable: In the HDD ? |
| 16:19.12 | ZEA | oh well, lilo worked just fine :) |
| 16:19.18 | Hoxzer | liable: or mobo ? |
| 16:19.19 | wols_ | tingle: man umount |
| 16:19.22 | tingle | wols_: ah yeah i see now i c/p'ed the wrong line im sorry for the confusion |
| 16:19.24 | liable | ZEA: grub can do lvm and raid, just not /boot on a lvm |
| 16:19.36 | wols_ | Hoxzer: mobo controller |
| 16:19.50 | wols_ | Hoxzer: lspci will tell you |
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| 16:20.29 | Akira65 | Hi, can you help me please ? I would like to create an etch Debian CD. |
| 16:20.38 | tingle | wols_: thanks |
| 16:20.38 | ZEA | hm... I want to use grub :x |
| 16:20.40 | Akira65 | But, it doesn't work :-( |
| 16:20.46 | wols_ | !custom cd |
| 16:20.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 16:20.47 | liable | Hoxzer: your hard drive controller |
| 16:20.53 | [intra]lanman | Akira65: how did you create it? |
| 16:20.56 | ZEA | oh well, reinstall :x |
| 16:21.16 | Akira65 | [intra]lanman, like this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=110321#110321 |
| 16:21.31 | Hoxzer | liable: my hard drive is sata/300 but my Mobo is sata/150 I have set speed limitation jumper to my HDD |
| 16:21.34 | Akira65 | [intra]lanman, (it's my topic, without 1 answer :-( ) |
| 16:21.48 | wols_ | Hoxzer: that's useless. tell us what controller already |
| 16:22.03 | liable | Hoxzer: i want to know the chip, ie your southbridge |
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| 16:22.37 | DustyBin | im building the Debian/lenny package from that driver |
| 16:22.50 | wols_ | DustyBin: whre did you get that driver? |
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| 16:23.15 | DustyBin | http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html |
| 16:23.36 | wols_ | DustyBin: have fun breaking your system. and don't expect support from #debian |
| 16:23.41 | liable | DustyBin: dude, your card has a much better open source driver than fglrx will give you |
| 16:23.43 | ben_goodger | unfortunately you have now invalidated your warranty, so to speak# |
| 16:23.55 | liable | huh? |
| 16:24.00 | amaldo | Hello. Does anyone know of an program in Debian to compress a pdf file with images? (I have images inside, and their resolution is too high, but instead of editing image per image, I'd like a program that explodes the pdf, makes the images smaller, and puts it back together.) Is there such a thing? |
| 16:24.03 | DustyBin | heh ok |
| 16:24.09 | ben_goodger | liable: forfeited support from #debian |
| 16:24.15 | DustyBin | its created 4x .debs |
| 16:24.26 | wols_ | DustyBin: we don't care |
| 16:24.31 | liable | oh right |
| 16:24.31 | DustyBin | ok. |
| 16:24.46 | ben_goodger | what card is it? |
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| 16:24.52 | wols_ | ben_goodger: 9800 |
| 16:25.01 | ben_goodger | ph |
| 16:25.09 | imagine | how can I add repositery in debian using terminal ? |
| 16:25.20 | wols_ | imagine: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:25.30 | ben_goodger | did that one suddenly gain ati driver support then? my 9600 was on fglrx |
| 16:25.39 | imagine | wols_: ty |
| 16:25.44 | wols_ | ben_goodger: up to r300 is supported by ati |
| 16:25.53 | wols_ | that means up to x800 cards |
| 16:26.09 | ben_goodger | lovely |
| 16:28.07 | wols_ | amaldo: maybe pdftk? |
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| 16:28.45 | SpeCon | hello all does debian use apt-get install ? or not |
| 16:28.48 | Hoxzer | wols_: How is that labbeled in the LPCI ? |
| 16:28.53 | Hoxzer | *lspci |
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| 16:28.56 | SpeCon | because i'm new to debian and they installed my server with that distro |
| 16:28.57 | SpeCon | :p |
| 16:29.01 | ben_goodger | SpeCon: yes, it does. |
| 16:29.03 | SpeCon | so i will need allot of help in here |
| 16:29.04 | xXCarpXx | is tehre a way to delete only the symlink, but not the file its pointing to? |
| 16:29.29 | SpeCon | ben_goodger, : were did they install the webserver i don't find anything from my apache server |
| 16:29.31 | ben_goodger | SpeCon: well, ask nicely and thou shalt receive |
| 16:29.33 | SpeCon | and its installed i know |
| 16:29.37 | SpeCon | ben_goodger, i will :) |
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| 16:29.43 | liable | !reference |
| 16:29.43 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 16:29.46 | ben_goodger | that would be /var/www/ht_docs methinks |
| 16:29.53 | Hoxzer | wols_: do you mean "Intel ICH5 Chipset (376 BGA) ? |
| 16:29.59 | liable | SpeCon: ^^^ read that reference link |
| 16:30.03 | SpeCon | okay ben_goodger |
| 16:30.12 | wols_ | Hoxzer: yes. and this chip is supported |
| 16:30.35 | liable | since way back |
| 16:31.11 | Hoxzer | wols_: damn I dont see anything in dmesg |
| 16:31.33 | liable | ich5 never had sata |
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| 16:31.43 | liable | unless i am horribly mistaken |
| 16:32.03 | Hoxzer | wols_: where is this sata drive usually located in the bios so I can see wether or not it is found by the bios ? |
| 16:32.03 | imagine | !apt-get |
| 16:32.03 | dpkg | i heard apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
| 16:32.31 | wols_ | Hoxzer: lspci. pastebin the output |
| 16:32.40 | DustyBin | the driver seems to work: OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 PRO OpenGL version string: 2.0.6958 Release |
| 16:32.42 | amaldo | wols_: Thanks, but I don't see any option in pdftk to resize the images, and rebuild the pdf. |
| 16:32.54 | liable | hrm, maybe i *am* horribly mistaken |
| 16:32.55 | Hoxzer | wols_: atm I dotn have Internet connection at my PC |
| 16:33.08 | Hoxzer | wols_: that I'm trying to install it to |
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| 16:33.49 | liable | Hoxzer: what exactly is the problem again? |
| 16:33.49 | Hoxzer | wols_: but wait a sec I'll setup cables around it |
| 16:34.02 | wols_ | liable: his sata drive is not found |
| 16:34.16 | Hoxzer | Yeah, but it can be bios problem also :\ |
| 16:34.19 | operator | руcкоязычники есть? |
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| 16:34.27 | Hoxzer | where should I look for it at the bios setup ? |
| 16:34.27 | wols_ | !ru |
| 16:34.27 | dpkg | ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 16:34.40 | Suprano | How can i tell X which wm to choose if it doesn't show up in the update-alternatives ? |
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| 16:34.43 | liable | Hoxzer: no drive at all is found? |
| 16:34.51 | Hoxzer | I heard that it isn't usually located in the IDE section |
| 16:34.57 | wols_ | Hoxzer: depends on the BIOS. and as liable said, it's very likely your ICH5 doesn't have SATA even |
| 16:35.10 | wols_ | maybe an additional chip on the mobo. what's the name of the mobo? |
| 16:35.13 | Hoxzer | wols_: manual says that it does |
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| 16:35.43 | vn_ | hi, whats the package name where I can get showmount? |
| 16:35.47 | wols_ | liable: ICH5 does have sata |
| 16:35.49 | vn_ | I thought it was nfsutils... |
| 16:35.56 | wols_ | !tell vn_ about search |
| 16:36.21 | liable | wols_: yeah, see my previous comment to noone in particular |
| 16:37.39 | Hoxzer | wols_: 845PE Neo2-V |
| 16:37.47 | Hoxzer | wols_: 845PE Neo2-V |
| 16:37.51 | Hoxzer | oops sry |
| 16:37.53 | liable | whats that? |
| 16:38.01 | rubymonk | How may I tell fsck to never ever check a partition ? |
| 16:38.02 | Hoxzer | MSI |
| 16:38.08 | rubymonk | I mean, a given partition |
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| 16:38.41 | liable | Hoxzer: if your bios is not set for sata, then it should show up as a pata anyway. |
| 16:38.48 | liable | Hoxzer: does it show up at all? |
| 16:38.49 | Eulex | rubymonk, you mean that a partition never should be automatically fscked at boot? why? |
| 16:38.58 | wols_ | rubymonk: never ever write to it |
| 16:39.14 | dalias | rubymonk, man tune2fs |
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| 16:39.34 | dalias | rubymonk, set the max mount count and max days before fsck to 0 |
| 16:39.38 | liable | rubymonk: its a silly idea, fsck can be a pita, but its for a reason.. |
| 16:39.44 | rubymonk | Because the partition is encrypted and fsck fails by checking hdc2 instead of /dev/mapper/mypartition |
| 16:39.49 | Hoxzer | liable: I dont really know wehre to look for it |
| 16:40.00 | dalias | ah... |
| 16:40.00 | Hoxzer | liable: in the boot it doesn't show up |
| 16:40.02 | wols_ | Hoxzer: dmesg |grep hda |
| 16:40.07 | wols_ | Hoxzer: dmesg |grep sda |
| 16:40.11 | liable | Hoxzer: hang on, are you installing or what? |
| 16:40.11 | Hoxzer | wols_: :\ nah nothing |
| 16:40.18 | dalias | hmm rubymonk's problem might be a real bug in the scripts..? |
| 16:40.27 | rubymonk | dalias, Might |
| 16:40.28 | Eulex | rubymonk, oh |
| 16:40.32 | Hoxzer | liable: I'm installing new HDD |
| 16:40.37 | Hoxzer | not a system |
| 16:40.54 | rubymonk | Might, just followed a tutorial to get familiar with this... I'll do it again :) |
| 16:41.02 | liable | Hoxzer: ok, how many drives you got? |
| 16:41.12 | Eulex | rubymonk, I'd suggest temporarily disabling it (as per dalias' instructions) but also file a bug |
| 16:41.18 | Hoxzer | liable: 2 IDE and one sata |
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| 16:41.35 | dalias | well my suggestion would only work if /dev/hdc2 is really ext2 |
| 16:41.36 | liable | Hoxzer: paste your dmesg after booting with the new drive installed |
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| 16:41.39 | rubymonk | Eulex, Well, I'll do the tutorial again before filling a bug... |
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| 16:41.44 | dalias | and not an opaque encrypted volume |
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| 16:42.07 | dalias | maybe just edit the init script that runs fsck to immediately exit instead of running fsck.. |
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| 16:43.16 | p3rti | hi.. i have a little problem.. i cant send or receive mails trought my mail server.. i found a webpage that say "200.21.228.10 has no reverse dns" |
| 16:43.38 | wols_ | p3rti: check your syslog when you try to send |
| 16:43.57 | p3rti | i checked.. i'm not the only one.. inside the network that cant send any mail |
| 16:44.01 | p3rti | or receive.. |
| 16:44.11 | p3rti | only to hosts like. hotmail.. or anothers servers.. |
| 16:44.18 | p3rti | too fews.. |
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| 16:44.37 | liable | p3rti: that shouldnt stop you recieving, and in most cases sending, only a few MTA's refuse mail from others that don't have a sane ptr |
| 16:44.58 | wols_ | p3rti: is 200.21.228.10 your MTA's IP? |
| 16:44.58 | p3rti | liable, that is the wear thing.. |
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| 16:45.09 | p3rti | wols_, yes.. |
| 16:45.12 | liable | p3rti: wear thing? |
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| 16:45.21 | p3rti | strange.. |
| 16:45.24 | sm | morning all |
| 16:45.26 | p3rti | sorry for my english.. |
| 16:45.35 | wols_ | p3rti: why do you use sendmail? |
| 16:45.37 | wols_ | !info sendmail |
| 16:45.41 | dpkg | sendmail: (powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 8.14.1-11 (sid), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
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| 16:45.48 | sm | where's a good place to find tips on troubleshooting gdm/X startup problems ? |
| 16:45.52 | liable | !sendmail |
| 16:45.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use <nullmailer>, esmtp, <exim4> or <postfix> instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 16:45.59 | p3rti | i know i know... |
| 16:46.11 | wols_ | sm: #debian |
| 16:46.13 | liable | so... |
| 16:46.13 | p3rti | but im not the one with the problem.. |
| 16:46.28 | wols_ | wow, sid sendmail even |
| 16:46.29 | p3rti | look.. we are behind a network.. and a main server give to us the DNS |
| 16:46.48 | wols_ | p3rti: until you give us the errors, we won't be able to help you |
| 16:46.50 | sm | cool. I rebooted, it checked disk (possibly removing a file or two ?) and since then gdm hangs with 100% cpu trying to open some file |
| 16:47.02 | sm | what's the quickest way to debug it/fix it ? |
| 16:47.07 | p3rti | wols_, the error is this.. look |
| 16:47.08 | wols_ | reinstall gdm |
| 16:47.19 | sm | I tried, no good |
| 16:47.22 | p3rti | Oct 31 11:48:25 tux sm-mta[1627]: l9SEs4u8031323: to=<linuxbuc@linux.com.co>, ctladdr=<jnobsa@tux.uis.edu.co> (3149/100), delay=3+01:54:21, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=16411467, relay=linux.com.co. [70.86.17.194], dsn=4.3.0, stat=Deferred: 451 Temporary local problem - please try later |
| 16:47.24 | sm | though I didn't try purging |
| 16:47.28 | wols_ | !tell sm about errors |
| 16:47.34 | liable | i would love to get into the politics of companies that still run sendmail and see what the admins really think |
| 16:47.43 | p3rti | wols_, i know... sorry |
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| 16:48.29 | wols_ | p3rti: linux.com.co doesn't accept your mail. it'S them who has the problem |
| 16:48.48 | wols_ | sm: you are mistaken. dpkg msged you |
| 16:48.48 | bony | is it possible to store the mails of ice dove in any database like postgres or mysql? |
| 16:48.49 | p3rti | wols_, then.. gmail has the same problem... |
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| 16:48.57 | p3rti | and a lot of domains.. |
| 16:49.10 | wols_ | bony: no. use an imap server |
| 16:49.14 | Asad2005_ | how to test if saned is running and what port is listening to |
| 16:49.19 | sm | that may be |
| 16:49.36 | liable | Asad2005_: netstat -plunt|grep sane |
| 16:49.38 | wols_ | Asad2005_: ps aux |grep saned |
| 16:49.42 | Flimzy | My company has been using qmail for it spam filtering MTA for years, and we are finally evaluating other options. Primarily we're considering postfix or qpsmtpd+postfix right now; Are there any other MTAs (or MTA combinations) we should consider for a highly scalable spam scanning system? |
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| 16:49.56 | kwadronaut | hmmm i'm looking for a bandwithmonitoring tool for vservers. something that divides up per apache vhost, gives totals per month and interface/month. any recommendations? So it should both look at apachelogs and /proc/net/dev |
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| 16:50.08 | Hoxzer | liable: http://pastebin.com/m733a5572 |
| 16:50.10 | wols_ | Flimzy: MTAs have pretty much nothing to do with spam filtering |
| 16:50.25 | wols_ | Flimzy: unless you really have a need, use either exim4 or postfix |
| 16:50.30 | Flimzy | wols_: Hmm. Except that they have almost everything to do with spam filtering. |
| 16:50.34 | bony | well is it required that the mail service that is providing the mail should have this feature ? |
| 16:50.39 | wols_ | Flimzy: what? |
| 16:50.50 | Flimzy | wols_: Where would you do SPF checks if not in the MTA? |
| 16:50.50 | bony | wols_, well is it required that the mail service that is providing the mail should have this feature ? |
| 16:51.12 | wols_ | bony: english please |
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| 16:51.28 | Flimzy | wols_: Where else would you use an RBL? Do reverse DNS lookups? Check the SMTP envelope for valid senders and recipients? |
| 16:51.35 | wols_ | Flimzy: you know that SPF nowadays gives a negative score? |
| 16:51.54 | wols_ | and most spamfiltering is done via other programs like spamassassin, not the MTA |
| 16:52.12 | wols_ | Flimzy: those things pretty much any decent MTA can do bt |
| 16:52.14 | wols_ | btw |
| 16:52.22 | Flimzy | wols_: Well its obvious you don't know much about modern spam scanning :P |
| 16:52.25 | liable | Hoxzer: hrm, i see one ide drive and a cdrom, you say you have two pata hard drives? |
| 16:52.46 | Flimzy | wols_: SA is a very expensive way to block spam. We block 80% of our spam before the DATA command is issued. |
| 16:52.57 | Hoxzer | liable: Yeah, but the another isn't plugged atm |
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| 16:53.07 | Asad2005_ | ps aux |grep saned outputs this "user 15899 0.0 0.0 2972 764 pts/0 S+ 19:50 0:00 grep saned" but netstat without output |
| 16:53.13 | liable | Hoxzer: dude, please tell us the right info |
| 16:53.13 | Flimzy | wols_: Which absolutely requires that your MTA has anti-spam capabilities. |
| 16:53.23 | Asad2005_ | what is the port ? |
| 16:53.32 | wols_ | Flimzy: I gave you the alternatives which are suggested for 99% of all people here asking about MTAs |
| 16:53.34 | Flimzy | (or can communicate with something that does) |
| 16:53.35 | liable | Hoxzer: go into bios and see if it sees your sata drive |
| 16:53.36 | Hoxzer | liable: only reason for it being not plugged is the installation of the SATA drive |
| 16:53.56 | wols_ | Asad2005_: it means saned does not run |
| 16:54.03 | Flimzy | wols_: Yes. Thanks. Although your suggestion ignored my question, it's still a valid suggestion for someone that does not "really have a need" |
| 16:54.11 | wols_ | Asad2005_: ps aux |grep saned only greps the grep command itself |
| 16:54.11 | liable | Hoxzer: why would you need to unplug a pata drive to install a sata? |
| 16:54.31 | Hoxzer | liable: :P I used the power cable to goes to it |
| 16:54.34 | p3rti | wols_, look.. i found on dnsstuff this thing.. |
| 16:54.35 | p3rti | Getting MX record for tux.uis.edu.co (from local DNS server, may be cached)... Received a SERVER FAILURE response. |
| 16:54.36 | p3rti | This should be treated as an ERROR (per RFC974), and the E-mail delivery should PROBABLY be retried later. |
| 16:54.38 | liable | Hoxzer: ah, ok |
| 16:54.40 | Seb | hrm, since i upgraded to the latest xorg in sid, my keyboard doesn't seem to be able to send Ctrl+Alt at the same time (alt+tab works, Ctrl+Left too, but Ctrl+Alt+Left is seen as Ctrl+Left by my window manager); anything obvious I'm missing ? |
| 16:54.55 | liable | Hoxzer: double check the adapter then |
| 16:54.58 | dalias | wols_, as long as you have a user base that agree on spam filtering policy, all spam filtering should be done at the MTA level |
| 16:55.10 | dalias | it's also possible to make lots of per-user configurability at the MTA level |
| 16:55.11 | abrotman | Seb: your WM might be catching it |
| 16:55.13 | sepski | Flimzy, no you dont need to consider any other mta's then postfix |
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| 16:55.21 | Flimzy | sepski: hehe |
| 16:55.24 | dalias | :) |
| 16:55.28 | Asad2005_ | Wols_, what command to start saned |
| 16:55.29 | Flimzy | sepski: I think we'll probably use qpmstpd+postfix |
| 16:55.41 | liable | Hoxzer: check all connections, then check bios, then reboot |
| 16:55.45 | dalias | smtp-time filtering is great |
| 16:55.56 | bony | wols_, i have a mail id bhuvan@swecha.org which has pop3 in it. right now i am using pop3 to get my mails to ice dove is it possible to use pop as imap? |
| 16:55.59 | SlayerXP | why spend time figering out how to filter yourself? Just buy my very reasonable priced hosted filtering service. |
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| 16:56.03 | dalias | the best result i get is immediately closing connection on senders with forged HELO/EHLO |
| 16:56.03 | sm | so, I tried purging and reinstalling gdm, without effect. I no clear problem reported in gdm/:0.log or Xorg.0.log. What should be my next step ? |
| 16:56.08 | sm | (see) |
| 16:56.12 | Flimzy | qpsmtpd seems to have a pretty spiffy architecture for doing custom SMTP-time tests, that postfix (and AFAICT, any other MTA) doesn't support natively. |
| 16:56.16 | Seb | abrotman: not sure what you mean ? I'm precisely trying to restore my WM shortcuts :) |
| 16:56.21 | wols_ | bony: makes no sense. where is your pop3 server? |
| 16:56.22 | dalias | however, that does block a few 'legitimate' sites with misconfigured servers |
| 16:56.30 | SlayerXP | Flimzy: YDTC, exim can do inline filtering. |
| 16:56.43 | Flimzy | dalias: That's pretty harsh, though; a lot of legit mail servers are on broken DNS |
| 16:56.44 | wols_ | sm: what file(s) were deleted?. does startx work? |
| 16:56.48 | bony | wols_, its in swecha.net |
| 16:56.55 | Flimzy | SlayerXP: I'll look into exim with that specifically in mind, then. |
| 16:56.57 | abrotman | Seb: what is yoUR WM? |
| 16:57.03 | Seb | abrotman: sawfish |
| 16:57.07 | sm | I don't know that files were deleted, that's just a guess. I wonder if there is a disk check log somewhere |
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| 16:57.11 | dalias | flimzy, then they can say helo with their numeric ip address |
| 16:57.11 | abrotman | Seb: with gnome? |
| 16:57.14 | wols_ | bony: either you can run your own imap server and get the mail from there with fetchmail or you have to keep icedove like it is |
| 16:57.20 | Seb | abrotman: nah, plain sawfish |
| 16:57.27 | Flimzy | dalias: If they know to do that ;) |
| 16:57.29 | abrotman | Seb: maybe your meta button changed? |
| 16:57.30 | Seb | abrotman: which until i upgraded to xorg 7.3, did fine |
| 16:57.34 | dalias | flimzy, any valid address for the host is accepted; what i reject is forged or nonsense-string ones |
| 16:57.37 | dalias | btw |
| 16:57.41 | Flimzy | dalias: ic |
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| 16:57.46 | Seb | abrotman: nope, still the same, as Alt+Tab still is recognized fine by sawfish |
| 16:58.05 | Flimzy | SlayerXP: BTW, what is "YDTC"? :) |
| 16:58.06 | dalias | rfc2821 specifies that the sender must provide a valid hostname in the helo |
| 16:58.11 | Seb | abrotman: but somehow "ctrl+alt" is seens as just "ctrl" |
| 16:58.19 | dalias | (2821=esmtp) |
| 16:58.24 | abrotman | Seb: just remap it |
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| 16:58.36 | wols_ | Flimzy: postfix supports pretty much anything via transports |
| 16:58.39 | sm | wols_: thanks. startx dies with an interesting error which I will paste when I figure out how |
| 16:58.47 | SlayerXP | Flimzy: You Don't Tell Correctly |
| 16:58.49 | wols_ | !pastewithoutx |
| 16:58.49 | dpkg | i heard pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 16:58.53 | liable | Flimzy: Your Dick is Tiny Compared to mine? :) |
| 16:58.57 | sm | nice! |
| 16:59.03 | Asad2005_ | how to start saned? i have installed xinitd and added a service named saned |
| 16:59.19 | Eulex | !ydtc |
| 16:59.21 | Flimzy | wols_: Aren't those all done after the message is fully accepted, though? |
| 16:59.24 | liable | Asad2005_: restart xined |
| 16:59.24 | Seb | abrotman: remap what ? Each one of these 2 keys works fine individually ! |
| 16:59.34 | wols_ | Flimzy: no |
| 16:59.36 | abrotman | Seb: you can try xev to see what's going on .. |
| 16:59.39 | bony | wols_, ok |
| 16:59.51 | abrotman | Seb: i use sawfish at home .. but i haven't noticed anything giong wrong in lenny |
| 16:59.59 | abrotman | Seb: alternately .. ask #sawfish .. or check the BTS |
| 17:00.08 | wols_ | abrotman: it's a know problem sid has hal/dbus problems |
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| 17:00.13 | Asad2005_ | liable, I did but doesnot seem to start the service |
| 17:00.24 | wols_ | abrotman: but it's all those sidiots who insist on running without a clue |
| 17:00.25 | abrotman | wols_: that affects keyboard shortcuts? |
| 17:00.37 | abrotman | oh .. this is the KDE thing they've been whining about |
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| 17:00.49 | abrotman | Seb: wols_ says you need to learn how to read :) |
| 17:00.56 | Seb | abrotman: oh |
| 17:01.17 | dalias | flimzy, the other cool thing i do is have the mta pipe the message directly to the user's .forward as it's being received. so the user's spam filter config is allowed to reject the message at any time just by returning a failure exitcode |
| 17:01.19 | wols_ | Asad2005_: what is your xinetd.conf line? |
| 17:01.25 | Seb | wols_: so bugs.d.o for hal or dbus ? |
| 17:01.39 | Flimzy | dalias: that's kinda cool. Although we don't have any local users in our case. |
| 17:01.41 | dalias | flimzy, and depending on the exit code, the smtp server sends either a temporary failure or permanent failure code |
| 17:01.41 | Hoxzer | liable: I have 4pin -> 15-pin power adapter could it cause this problem ? (I dont think so :\) |
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| 17:02.04 | Flimzy | dalias: We have a forward-only spam filter. We are thinking of having it send the email to the downstream mail server, though, and only issue a 250 if it's fully accepted. |
| 17:02.07 | Seb | interesintgly enough, i shouldn't need either dbus nor hal as i don't run gnome nor kde |
| 17:02.08 | liable | Hoxzer: all connectors are suspect untill it works |
| 17:02.22 | abrotman | Seb: hal does a lot of stuff .. so does dbus |
| 17:02.29 | Flimzy | dalias: Although that feature will be very dependant on the MTA we're using :) |
| 17:02.39 | liable | there's been some hal whinage here lately |
| 17:02.41 | Hoxzer | liable: Hmm, ok, |
| 17:02.42 | dalias | flimzy, i really think smtp needs to move that direction if it's going to stand up against spam |
| 17:02.59 | Flimzy | dalias: SMTP needs to die, if we're going to stand up against spam :P |
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| 17:03.06 | Seb | abrotman: removing it only removes the gnome stuff though |
| 17:03.06 | liable | but they say they all say they checked bts |
| 17:03.06 | waltz | how do I start ntp on boot? |
| 17:03.08 | wols_ | dalias: it has already lost years ago in that war |
| 17:03.10 | Seb | abrotman: i'll see what gives |
| 17:03.19 | dalias | flimzy, as long as servers accept things for forwarding without knowing if they're acceptable to the recipient, the system favors spammers |
| 17:03.20 | waltz | ntpd* |
| 17:03.20 | abrotman | Seb: okay .. then kill it .. what do i know .. whta's the worst that happens |
| 17:03.29 | SlayerXP | waltz: update-rc.d ntpd defaults |
| 17:03.32 | SlayerXP | or thereabouts |
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| 17:03.37 | waltz | k thanks |
| 17:03.38 | wols_ | waltz: ls -al /etc/init.d/ntp* |
| 17:03.58 | wols_ | abrotman: the system could work! *gasp* |
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| 17:04.05 | abrotman | Seb: if you really want to know .. `apt-cache rdepends hal` |
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| 17:04.22 | nostahl | hi |
| 17:04.39 | abrotman | Seb: and there are some non-gnome things that depend on hal and therefore dbus |
| 17:04.44 | Flimzy | wols_: the transports table is only used after the message is in the queue. That defeats the purpose of SMTP-time filtering :( |
| 17:04.53 | abrotman | Seb: things like automount daemons |
| 17:04.58 | Asad2005_ | i can only see default {} and includedir /etc/xinetd.d in xinetd.conf |
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| 17:05.51 | Asad2005_ | do i need to add anything |
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| 17:06.01 | wols_ | Asad2005_: netstat -anp |grep xinet |
| 17:06.09 | mvanbaak | heya all |
| 17:06.25 | sm | my startx error: http://paste.debian.net/41191 |
| 17:06.27 | mvanbaak | is there any template to follow when creating a .deb for a php webapplication ? |
| 17:07.05 | abrotman | mvanbaak: i think there's a webapp/php policy |
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| 17:07.05 | Asad2005_ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6566 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 15951/xinetd |
| 17:07.13 | abrotman | mvanbaak: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/ .. see the webapp and PHP policies .. also |
| 17:07.15 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 17:07.15 | dpkg | i heard mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 17:07.49 | wols_ | sm: dpkg -l |grp xserver reinstall all of them |
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| 17:08.16 | mvanbaak | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:08.29 | wols_ | sm: your xftons packages too |
| 17:08.48 | wols_ | *xfonts |
| 17:08.51 | Asad2005_ | wols_ , is saned running ? |
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| 17:08.52 | sm | ok, thx |
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| 17:09.38 | Hoxzer_ | Ok, Problema |
| 17:09.43 | Hoxzer_ | Might be solved |
| 17:09.44 | Phoix | liable: it was my internal mutlicard reader that was messing things up ... i have set my compatibility to ahci now but that didnt solve the problem but i have left it on .. and now also upon removing my mulkticard reader my network card started working.. :) |
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| 17:09.52 | I-love-debian | hello |
| 17:10.00 | wols_ | Asad2005_: sane-port 6566/tcp sane saned # SANE network scanner daemon |
| 17:10.03 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:10.09 | wols_ | Asad2005_: telnet to it |
| 17:10.20 | I-love-debian | I have kubuntu on my ntfs partition, how to make it debian, and get it on it's own partition? |
| 17:10.28 | Phoix | its gitty because that multicard reader is well good .. |
| 17:10.32 | sm | how do I get dpkg or any similar tool to show me wide/unclipped package names ? |
| 17:10.52 | Phoix | but i guess i'll just have to get an external one |
| 17:10.52 | wols_ | I-love-debian: you cannot install debian (or kubuntu) onto a ntfs partition. please don't lie |
| 17:11.04 | tarzeau | sm: COLUMNS=160 dpkg ? |
| 17:11.16 | I-love-debian | I have installed it on an NTFS partition, pleas don't tell me I can't! |
| 17:11.23 | tarzeau | I-love-debian: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/ |
| 17:11.27 | sm | tarzeau: great trick! thx |
| 17:11.30 | Asad2005_ | wols_ , telnet: could not resolve localhost:6566 |
| 17:11.48 | wols_ | I-love-debian: you simply can't. not on a ntfs partiton |
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| 17:12.17 | wols_ | Asad2005_: use it properly. telnet is not a browser |
| 17:12.33 | Hoxzer_ | Yeah, my bios had somekind of "On chip ATA(s) Operate Mode" and I cahnged it from p-ata only to s-ata + p-ata :D however it seems to have "broken" my DVD now geez... |
| 17:12.33 | I-love-debian | You can't I can, but how can I make a ext3 partition, and move the kubuntu part of ntfs to the ext 3? |
| 17:12.47 | Hoxzer_ | s/DVD/DVD-drive |
| 17:12.50 | wols_ | I-love-debian: we don#t support ubuntu |
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| 17:12.55 | wols_ | and no you cannot |
| 17:13.23 | I-love-debian | I want debian, but debian doesn't support NTFS installs |
| 17:13.31 | wols_ | no linux does. it can't |
| 17:13.51 | wols_ | cause there is no ntfs driver in the linux kernel that can properly write to ntfs |
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| 17:14.06 | wols_ | not to mention I know now bootloader that can boot from ntfs either |
| 17:14.07 | ZEA | I-love-debian: check out ntfs-3g |
| 17:14.11 | rcbarnes | On a default Etch or Testing install, how are (system) passwords hashed? I assume we've long since phased out MD5, but what are we using now? Are we salting, too? |
| 17:14.13 | I-love-debian | It doesn't have to write, to read and load. |
| 17:14.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:14.31 | abrotman | !d-i I-love-debian |
| 17:14.31 | dpkg | I-love-debian, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:14.41 | I-love-debian | I don't want NTFS support, I have the linux kubunut on ntfs already. I want it to linux |
| 17:14.47 | wols_ | rcbarnes: unix never used md5. there is a functioncall named crypt() |
| 17:14.53 | wols_ | and yes, there is a salt |
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| 17:15.09 | I-love-debian | Dabian installer won't rezise my ntfs partiton! |
| 17:15.18 | wols_ | I-love-debian: there is no way to install debian or any linux on ntfs, period |
| 17:15.21 | rcbarnes | wols_: Ah, thanks. What's crypt() use these days? |
| 17:15.32 | wols_ | rcbarnes: check the libc6 source |
| 17:15.40 | wols_ | I-love-debian: are you in kubuntu right now? |
| 17:15.40 | I-love-debian | Yes it is, and I have, read about wubi. |
| 17:15.43 | I-love-debian | yes |
| 17:15.51 | wols_ | I-love-debian: "mount". what does it say? |
| 17:16.00 | abrotman | I-love-debian: you cannot install debian on ntfs .. do you have another Debian question ? |
| 17:16.12 | I-love-debian | proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 17:16.16 | I-love-debian | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) |
| 17:16.20 | I-love-debian | tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 17:16.21 | abrotman | jesus |
| 17:16.24 | I-love-debian | tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 17:16.28 | I-love-debian | varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) |
| 17:16.32 | I-love-debian | varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) |
| 17:16.36 | I-love-debian | udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 17:16.40 | I-love-debian | devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 17:16.40 | I-love-debian | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 17:16.40 | I-love-debian | tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
| 17:16.40 | I-love-debian | /isodevice on /host type none (rw) |
| 17:16.40 | I-love-debian | doh |
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| 17:16.43 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 17:17.11 | wols_ | abrotman: do you see any / there? |
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| 17:17.18 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:17.39 | I-love-debian | hello again |
| 17:17.45 | Suprano | wb |
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| 17:17.51 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:17.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:18.04 | I-love-debian | ok I'm very sorry. |
| 17:18.37 | I-love-debian | Do you see that debian on NTFS is possibole now? |
| 17:18.42 | anna | hi |
| 17:18.42 | anna | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.42 | anna | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.58 | I-love-debian | japonese? |
| 17:19.02 | abrotman | I-love-debian: you got kicked, we didnt' see it |
| 17:19.08 | wols_ | I-love-debian: it's not possible. neither is kubuntu. Hint: c:\wubi\disks\system.virtual.disk |
| 17:19.10 | I-love-debian | ok, I'm sorry |
| 17:19.18 | abrotman | I-love-debian: paste the output here : http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 17:19.32 | rcbarnes | wols_: Strange. What I find online about libc6 seems to indicate that it's MD5-based. |
| 17:19.36 | wols_ | I-love-debian: and there is no such thing for debian what you think is an install to ntfs |
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| 17:20.09 | I-love-debian | http://rafb.net/p/xTHP1A57.html |
| 17:20.10 | I-love-debian | here |
| 17:20.15 | wols_ | rcbarnes: man crypt: "crypt() is the password encryption function. It is based on the Data Encryption Standard algorithm with variations intended" |
| 17:20.22 | wols_ | Data Encryption Standard = DES |
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| 17:20.45 | rcbarnes | wols_: Hm. I suppose I just got bad info online. I didn't even think to check the man page. My bad. :-/ |
| 17:21.21 | wols_ | abrotman: screw NTFS, I don't see any / |
| 17:21.40 | Phoix | i dont either .. |
| 17:21.47 | I-love-debian | But the partiton prog finds two partitions, NTFS and FAT32 |
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| 17:22.09 | wols_ | I-love-debian: your kubuntu install is a FILE in your ntfs partition |
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| 17:22.21 | I-love-debian | ok |
| 17:22.27 | wols_ | to be exact: c:\wubi\disks\system.virtual.disk |
| 17:22.30 | I-love-debian | Isn't that the same thing? |
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| 17:22.36 | wols_ | no it's not |
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| 17:22.45 | abrotman | I-love-debian: what is your debian question? |
| 17:22.55 | I-love-debian | How to make room for debian |
| 17:22.58 | wols_ | abrotman: how to install debian on ntfs. I already told him this is not possible |
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| 17:23.08 | abrotman | resize ntfs .. |
| 17:23.18 | wols_ | I-love-debian: use a gparted livecd (or knoppix or another lviecd) and resize your ntfs partition with it |
| 17:23.52 | xlotlu | is there some app that will convert ip ranges into cidr? |
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| 17:24.23 | cahoot | xlotlu: ipcalc? |
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| 17:24.29 | I-love-debian | My bios won't let me boot cd's, not without password |
| 17:24.55 | I-love-debian | And the IT guy is a natzi, he won't let me install debian |
| 17:25.02 | BlueToothz | Are there any torrent clients for linux? |
| 17:25.03 | Ronin | I-love-debian: well it is a work computer |
| 17:25.15 | ben_goodger | BlueToothz: many. I will pm you a list |
| 17:25.21 | BlueToothz | ben_goodger, ty |
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| 17:25.23 | [intra]lanman | Ronin has a good point |
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| 17:25.45 | I-love-debian | yes |
| 17:25.53 | wols_ | I-love-debian: try goodbye-microsoft.com, also try partition magic if you can |
| 17:25.55 | I-love-debian | and too do work I want debian |
| 17:26.00 | I-love-debian | goodbye |
| 17:26.08 | I-love-debian | -microsoft wont do it |
| 17:26.11 | xlotlu | cahoot: thanks, just what i need |
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| 17:26.23 | I-love-debian | it can't resize ntfs partiton it is lying on |
| 17:26.23 | Ronin | I-love-debian: to do work you have to use what the company says you use, or make a really really good case for others |
| 17:26.24 | GuySoft | hi all, is there a way to compile on only one kernel module out of source? |
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| 17:26.47 | sm | wols_, all: still getting that startx error after reinstalling *xserver* *xfonts* ! |
| 17:26.54 | linio | I-love-debian: on debian install cd is boot diskette image, which allows to boot, even if bios dont support boot from cd |
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| 17:27.00 | cahoot | GuySoft: for some you can use m-a |
| 17:27.00 | wols_ | sm: how did you reinstall the packages? |
| 17:27.11 | I-love-debian | I don't have a disket drive |
| 17:27.18 | sm | wajig download $PACKAGES; dpkg -i *.deb |
| 17:27.18 | cahoot | GuySoft: i e module-assistant |
| 17:27.18 | I-love-debian | and no it wont boot |
| 17:27.36 | Ronin | I-love-debian: so use what the company has given you or plead your case to management |
| 17:27.49 | Ronin | installing something ie. debian on a company machine isn't a good idea |
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| 17:27.59 | GuySoft | m-a a-i firewire wont work, its in the kernel |
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| 17:28.19 | wols_ | GuySoft: debian kernels have firewire support |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | GuySoft: are you using a debian packaged kernel ? |
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| 17:28.26 | sm | I don't even grok who is giving that backtrace, is it gdm ? xinit ? |
| 17:28.28 | I-love-debian | Why ins't installing debian on a company maschine a good idea? |
| 17:28.32 | GuySoft | abrotman, yes, 2.6.22-2-686 |
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| 17:28.37 | GuySoft | what do i need to modprobe? |
| 17:28.39 | wols_ | sm: it's X, your X server |
| 17:28.43 | sm | aha |
| 17:28.53 | wols_ | GuySoft: to do what? |
| 17:28.57 | Ronin | I-love-debian: 1 its is a work machine |
| 17:28.57 | et | madness? THIS IS ... |
| 17:29.07 | GuySoft | wols_, get /dev/raw1394 |
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| 17:29.17 | wols_ | GuySoft: does not exist in the kernel anymore |
| 17:29.17 | I-love-debian | But I can work more on debian, winxp uses more than 8min to boot |
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| 17:29.38 | GuySoft | wols_, why not? what happend to firewire? |
| 17:29.45 | hark | GuySoft: it's deprecated |
| 17:29.46 | cahoot | sm: I noticed the complaint from xauth, remove ~/.Xauthority as a test |
| 17:30.01 | wols_ | GuySoft: raw1394 is |
| 17:30.09 | wols_ | GuySoft: why do you need 2.6.22? |
| 17:30.17 | eylisian | I-love-debian, work machines need to work. If you are having issues w/ just partitioning still, chances are you are going to have issues with other things. Thats going to make Debian look like crap in the eyes of mgmt. |
| 17:30.21 | sm | cahoot: thanks.. I did that - there was one there owned by root - now it's gone but actually it still complains about it |
| 17:30.22 | GuySoft | wols_, its the kernel i am on |
| 17:30.41 | wols_ | GuySoft: that's not what I asked. current debian uses 2.6.18. why are you using a different kernel? |
| 17:30.56 | ben_goodger | I-love-debian: then complain like bloody hell at your technician, instead of deliberately modifying your employers' computers in a way you are, I am 100% certain, not allowed to do |
| 17:30.59 | GuySoft | wols_, its unstable.. i need stuff that is there |
| 17:31.00 | eylisian | I-love-debian, http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page ... thats a good tool. It comes w/ ntfs-resize and it "just works" |
| 17:31.17 | wols_ | GuySoft: what do you need from kernel 2.6.22 exactly? |
| 17:31.25 | GuySoft | its from the debian repository.. |
| 17:31.32 | cahoot | sm: don't happen to have screwed up perms on $HOME? |
| 17:31.32 | sm | correction, it's not complaining about .Xauthority now |
| 17:31.45 | cahoot | ok disregard |
| 17:31.45 | GuySoft | wols_, it supports hibernate an hdaps... dont we want progress? |
| 17:31.47 | I-love-debian | Cannot boot from cd's, my IT guy is mean! |
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| 17:31.57 | wols_ | hdaps? |
| 17:32.03 | abrotman | I-love-debian: we cannot help you .. you'll have to talk to your IT department |
| 17:32.22 | ben_goodger | eylisian: the people in charge don't want him/her/it installing foreign OSs, nothing we can do will help (aside from supplying the mobo jumper manual) |
| 17:32.23 | GuySoft | its the tilt support for thinkpads laptops.. i generaly had problems with 2.6.18 |
| 17:32.30 | bony | i recently updated my system to gnome 2.20 after the upgrade was done the volume-manager, system monitor applets have gone, when i try to add them i get an error saying that there is something wrong with the applet. i even cant play songs from any player, vlc,totem. but i could play songs from console |
| 17:32.38 | GuySoft | i am not going to download all the kernel, i have one now |
| 17:32.40 | bony | this is a debian sid machine |
| 17:32.55 | abrotman | bony: check the BTS .. and make sure the package is installed correctly |
| 17:33.00 | wols_ | !tell bony about errors |
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| 17:33.29 | eylisian | ben_goodger, right. mgmt is particular in that respect ;) |
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| 17:33.36 | I-love-debian | Can I make partitions that are bigger than the actuall free space on a harddrive? |
| 17:33.57 | wols_ | I-love-debian: you can only make partitions in free space. so: no |
| 17:34.11 | abrotman | he smells funny |
| 17:34.18 | ben_goodger | abrotman: lol |
| 17:34.19 | bony | wols_, "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_BattstatApplet"." this is the message that pop's up when i try to add battery |
| 17:34.35 | ben_goodger | I-love-debian: that's like asking whether you can make a room larger than the house |
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| 17:34.48 | ben_goodger | eylisian: bloody good thing too |
| 17:34.52 | I-love-debian | you can, you just bui an exstention |
| 17:34.55 | DustyBin | those drivers from ati-amd website are dodgy, little black blocks and shit keep on appearing :-S |
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| 17:35.10 | abrotman | I-love-debian: are you out of silly questions? |
| 17:35.11 | ben_goodger | I-love-debian: yes, in this case "building an extension" is called "buying a new hard disk" |
| 17:35.15 | sm | hmm, how do I make it generate a fresh xorg.conf ? |
| 17:35.16 | I-love-debian | no |
| 17:35.19 | wols_ | abrotman: not by a long shot |
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| 17:35.26 | ben_goodger | which will probably get you sued as well as fired |
| 17:35.31 | wols_ | !tell sm about drxx |
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| 17:35.53 | hark | DustyBin: wasn't the radeon driver good enough? |
| 17:36.09 | I-love-debian | As long as I don't bother the it staff they don't care. |
| 17:36.10 | sm | dang, wish I could see those. :) |
| 17:36.25 | ben_goodger | DustyBin: for god's sake, get rid of that rubbish and just use the driver that ships with debian |
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| 17:36.56 | DustyBin | ok, ill put 'ati' in the xorg.conf and restart x |
| 17:37.06 | wols_ | DustyBin: won't work |
| 17:37.13 | hark | DustyBin: no, you'll have to get rid of fglrx too |
| 17:37.33 | DustyBin | i might just reinstall lenny from fresh, because ive messsed around with a lot of shit the last few hours |
| 17:37.42 | DustyBin | it wont take long |
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| 17:40.34 | I-love-debian | Can I make a Debian install wothout any bios boot else than ntfs hd boot? |
| 17:41.07 | ben_goodger | yes, you can use a memory stick or a PXE |
| 17:41.23 | sepski | !goodbye microsoft |
| 17:41.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, goodbye microsoft is http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/ (Debian installer which runs from a current Windows session). |
| 17:41.31 | abrotman | oh come on .. |
| 17:41.49 | I-love-debian | goodbye microsoft wont let me resize ntfs |
| 17:41.54 | abrotman | then no .. you cannot |
| 17:42.05 | sepski | I-love-debian, add a harddrive then and keep them separate |
| 17:42.11 | I-love-debian | ? |
| 17:42.15 | I-love-debian | In an laptop? |
| 17:42.15 | Flimzy | I-love-debian: There are instructions to resize ntfs from a Debian installer. Although it's Risky (tm) |
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| 17:42.35 | ben_goodger | heh |
| 17:42.41 | Flimzy | I-love-debian: I did it successfully on my laptop. |
| 17:42.41 | |DuReX| | hellooow :) can somebody help me here with a bash script ? |
| 17:42.41 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 17:42.43 | abrotman | sounds like a good way to get fired at any rate ... |
| 17:42.55 | ben_goodger | not a great loss to the company |
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| 17:43.05 | ben_goodger | sorry, that was in poor taste |
| 17:43.10 | I-love-debian | My prob is, if I screw up my computer my IT guy will kill me! |
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| 17:43.34 | Asmooh | youre it guy? |
| 17:43.39 | Asmooh | at work? |
| 17:43.43 | I-love-debian | yes |
| 17:43.59 | Asmooh | well then go to work; and dont play with linux |
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| 17:44.06 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/m5a7534fd <- whats wrong with this script, it needs to reboot on Oct 31 06:33:20 localhost kernel: general protection fault: 0000 [1] |
| 17:44.27 | sm | alright! remove xorg.conf lets it start up fine |
| 17:44.43 | sm | removing |
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| 17:45.33 | Ronin | I-love-debian: then stop mucking about with it and do the job you were hired for with the tools given you |
| 17:46.00 | I-love-debian | But windows is breakinf human rights. |
| 17:46.24 | ben_goodger | er, no. |
| 17:46.30 | ben_goodger | no, no, no, no, no.. |
| 17:46.32 | Ronin | I-love-debian: its not breakign human rights, and if you believe it is you have several options |
| 17:46.45 | I-love-debian | Yes they are, the are making deals with halliberd |
| 17:46.47 | abrotman | oh .. call the UN! |
| 17:46.59 | Asmooh | :D |
| 17:47.07 | Ronin | I-love-debian: and what will you do when it turns out debian is used by say the kgb? |
| 17:47.10 | Ronin | as an example? |
| 17:47.43 | I-love-debian | KGB? That they are a humane grup that wont support terror and war like microsoft |
| 17:47.51 | Ronin | I-love-debian: you were hired to do x on y yo knew that when you signed your contract |
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| 17:48.24 | I-love-debian | But i can do the job on linux a lot easier |
| 17:48.49 | Ronin | I-love-debian: not your decision, its managements decision, get them to approve the install of debian and youll be fine |
| 17:48.49 | ben_goodger | Ronin: I don't know about I-love-debian, but I personally have just lost my faith in the open-source process's ability to protect against the evil soviet secret services, and will now go and live out my life as a hermit in the highlands of scotland XD |
| 17:48.51 | Asmooh | I-love-debian, u have two options. 1: install any linux OS that u want to and stop complaining about microsoft; 2. Leave your M$ OS on your PC and stop complaining about how to do anything |
| 17:49.06 | Ronin | I-love-debian: i suggest you dont tell them that microsoft is breaking human rights though |
| 17:49.21 | Ronin | ben_goodger: shh they'll hear you |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | Asmooh: you're not helping |
| 17:49.27 | ben_goodger | rofl |
| 17:49.51 | Asmooh | abrotman, he dont even want to: he dont want to delete windows, he wants windows and/or linux; he dont know what he wants |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | Asmooh: then leave him alone |
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| 17:50.16 | I-love-debian | I want 50% windows and 50% debian |
| 17:50.19 | ben_goodger | I like watching someone's world being carefully disassembled |
| 17:50.25 | I-love-debian | then I'm only haf evil |
| 17:50.30 | Asmooh | .. |
| 17:50.31 | ben_goodger | so much neater than having it crashing down about them |
| 17:50.57 | Ronin | I-love-debian: then youve been told what to do multiple times all ready |
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| 17:51.14 | I-love-debian | But none of them works |
| 17:51.21 | abrotman | then give up all hope |
| 17:51.34 | amirf | does " ; " = " # " in bash ? |
| 17:51.35 | abrotman | just go back to windows |
| 17:51.35 | Ronin | I-love-debian: the plead your case to management one not the install debian behind the boss's back |
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| 17:52.31 | Asmooh | or ask your boss to install debian |
| 17:52.36 | Asmooh | and backup your harddrive |
| 17:52.37 | Asmooh | :) |
| 17:52.38 | momelod | greetings.. im using a single card to connect to two networks; eth0 and eth0:0. I would like to rename eth0:0 to lan0. is that possible? |
| 17:52.54 | abrotman | momelod: there's an ifrename .. dunno if it will let you rename it to that though |
| 17:53.02 | I-love-debian | I don't like the boss, the boss wouldn't know what boot is. So since he and the IT noobs he hired don't know how, how to get it without their help? |
| 17:53.19 | Ronin | I-love-debian: have fun getting fired, you're on your own |
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| 17:53.25 | momelod | i noticed the mapping stanza in /etc/network/interfaces but it referes to a script map-scheme that does not exist omy system |
| 17:53.30 | themill | amirf: no, # turns the rest of the line into a commend, ; separates multiple commands. Try these: "echo foo # echo bar" and "echo foo ; echo bar" |
| 17:53.39 | themill | comment* |
| 17:53.42 | I-love-debian | I don't care if I get fired, I jsut want linux |
| 17:53.57 | abrotman | I-love-debian: have you tried #ubuntu ? |
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| 17:54.15 | Asmooh | I-love-debian, backup your harddrive > install linux > install vmware > install windows |
| 17:54.33 | abrotman | Asmooh: STOP .. he already said he can't |
| 17:54.37 | Asmooh | hm |
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| 17:55.10 | Asmooh | abrotman, anyone can install linux on any pc |
| 17:55.15 | abrotman | Asmooh: no .. he can't .. shut up |
| 17:56.28 | rubymonk | I-love-debian, i think you should reconsider your position, you're not legally the owner of the computer, meaning that you have no right over it else than the rights given by your boss... in other words... forget it |
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| 17:57.17 | momelod | sorry, i missed I-love-debian's question |
| 17:57.25 | amirf | what does " ; " in the beging of a line says ? |
| 17:57.28 | biz | what are the minimum requiremments of packages to compile a vanilla kernel? |
| 17:57.30 | momelod | this sounds like it could be interesting |
| 17:57.32 | I-love-debian | If i borrow a car I can fill the gass tank with anything I want |
| 17:57.33 | rubymonk | momelod, "Please, how do I get fired?" |
| 17:57.38 | Ronin | I-love-debian: you have 3 choices as i see it 1. shut up and do you job on the tools you were given 2. plead your case to management 3. quit |
| 17:57.39 | momelod | thats easy |
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| 17:58.15 | I-love-debian | if i quit my job i loose my computer |
| 17:58.19 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 17:58.26 | momelod | I-love-debian: what are u trying to do? |
| 17:58.27 | Ronin | there problem solved :) |
| 17:58.41 | Ronin | momelod: they want to install debian on a work computer without mangements ok |
| 17:58.47 | ben_goodger | momelod: noo!!! |
| 17:58.50 | momelod | so what? |
| 17:59.00 | Ronin | here we go again |
| 17:59.04 | abrotman | momelod: leave him alone .. he can't do waht he's asking and he's already been told |
| 17:59.09 | momelod | since when is this an ethical chanel |
| 17:59.10 | wols_ | momelod: don't feed the troll |
| 17:59.17 | I-love-debian | Make an ntfs partition ext3 |
| 17:59.22 | I-love-debian | so i can install debian |
| 17:59.27 | abrotman | stop trolling already |
| 17:59.28 | I-love-debian | I cannot use livecds |
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| 17:59.37 | abrotman | I-love-debian: you're using one right now |
| 17:59.46 | I-love-debian | and i have kubuntu and winxp on the ntfs partition |
| 17:59.55 | Asmooh | here they dont care what u have, or even if u want to reinstall your pc with another PC, if u do youre job when yourd one |
| 18:00.04 | momelod | I-love-debian: u cant "convert" but u can copy to a temp location, and then copy back onto your ext3 partition |
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| 18:00.17 | momelod | u will loose all the ntfs permissions tho |
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| 18:00.29 | themill | !u |
| 18:00.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:00.36 | cahoot | and then some |
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| 18:00.55 | ben_goodger | abrotman, asmooh, momelod: please don't feed the troll |
| 18:01.01 | abrotman | ben_goodger: i am ? |
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| 18:01.09 | Ronin | Asmooh: some companies are like that I-love-debian and others arent |
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| 18:01.22 | ben_goodger | abrotman: you kinda got tacked on there, sorry |
| 18:01.23 | Asmooh | Ronin, the most in netherlands arnt :) |
| 18:01.24 | rubymonk | Just a question.... and please don't think it's meant to be related to I-love-debian.... http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ will delete everything on the HD, right ? |
| 18:01.33 | abrotman | we hope so |
| 18:01.35 | Ronin | heck i can get fired for doing what im doing now to get here |
| 18:01.52 | I-love-debian | no it gives you the option to resize ntfs but it doesn't work |
| 18:01.54 | ben_goodger | rubymonk: hopefully, but it's identical to the normal debian network installer so it has the full partitioning capability |
| 18:02.04 | momelod | ben_goodger: i am not feeding the troll. why whould ethics interfere with a valid question.. had he asked differently would u turn him away just cause u dont know the answer |
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| 18:02.11 | rubymonk | I see... Thank ben_goodger |
| 18:02.19 | rubymonk | I might do some test at some point |
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| 18:02.25 | themill | momelod: it's not a question of ethics, it's a question of not listening to the answers... |
| 18:02.31 | Asmooh | Ronin, hmm i can chat all day, haning around with laptop and stuff; if the things i need to do will be done at the end of the day |
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| 18:03.07 | momelod | oh, sorry. i thought b/c he was doing something against his work policy was the only issue |
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| 18:03.17 | ben_goodger | momelod: that's OK |
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| 18:03.24 | rubymonk | Actually, to which extent I-love-debian could sue any of us if we explain him how to disobey to direct orders and he loses his job ? |
| 18:03.28 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: I want a job at your company, please. :) |
| 18:03.34 | Asmooh | haha |
| 18:03.37 | momelod | definatly not |
| 18:03.40 | ben_goodger | rubymonk: I'd love to see him try, I'm a minor |
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| 18:03.49 | momelod | he agreed to the policy by accepting the job |
| 18:03.50 | momelod | we didnt |
| 18:03.59 | rubymonk | My company prohibits windows, it's all linux or fbsd, matter of personal taste |
| 18:04.09 | Asmooh | ben_goodger, where do u live if i may ask? |
| 18:04.10 | themill | rubymonk: you lucky bastard |
| 18:04.15 | rubymonk | :) |
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| 18:04.23 | ben_goodger | rubymonk: I want a job at your company as well. I can happily commute across the globe |
| 18:04.27 | rubymonk | themill, I'm the boss actually :P |
| 18:04.28 | Asmooh | rubymonk, thats nice yea :) we also have |
| 18:04.31 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: great britain |
| 18:04.33 | Asmooh | ah |
| 18:04.38 | themill | rubymonk: heh... that helps a lot! |
| 18:04.46 | I-love-debian | rubymonk: I won't sue you, the IT guy said I could do anything as long as I didn't need his help. |
| 18:04.58 | rubymonk | I-love-debian, did he ? |
| 18:05.05 | I-love-debian | Yes |
| 18:05.13 | rubymonk | Nice, good luck |
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| 18:05.24 | themill | and then promptly locked everything down tighter than a duck's arse in a sandstorm so you couldn't.... yeah... anything you want :) |
| 18:05.38 | ben_goodger | heh |
| 18:06.00 | rubymonk | ben_goodger, The salary is a brazilian wage... you won't like it :P |
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| 18:06.10 | Asmooh | hm |
| 18:06.17 | momelod | I-love-debian: copy all your ntfs to cdr. refomat, install, copy your files back.... |
| 18:06.38 | rubymonk | actually, this can go to 2 brazilian wages... but it's a very rare case |
| 18:06.38 | I-love-debian | to put 40gb on cds sounds booring |
| 18:06.48 | momelod | k, so stop asking |
| 18:07.02 | Asmooh | i think im atm 2 weeks busy reinstalling the new server; and really "working" eh 2 days max |
| 18:07.05 | ben_goodger | rubymonk: I earn $50 a week equiv. :) |
| 18:07.08 | eylisian | I-love-debian, If you can't get the disk partitioned, what makes you think you'll be able to get any work done? |
| 18:07.15 | Asmooh | a week? |
| 18:07.19 | rubymonk | ben_goodger, Where you live ? |
| 18:07.22 | Asmooh | howmuch hours do u work ben_goodger ? |
| 18:07.31 | I-love-debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.35 | ben_goodger | eylisian: actually it's not his fault, as the ntfs resizing is rather inferior |
| 18:07.39 | themill | *lupin |
| 18:07.43 | abrotman | !tell I-love-debian about colinux |
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| 18:08.11 | ben_goodger | rubymonk, Asmooh: I'm a 17-year-old student leeching off the EU's student bribe and doing some IT work on the side :) |
| 18:08.18 | rubymonk | I-love-debian, If I seen you playing with one of our systems and backing up data without it beeing in *STRONG* relationship with your job, I'd fire AND sue you |
| 18:08.18 | Asmooh | ooh:) |
| 18:08.52 | I-love-debian | good i'm not working for you then |
| 18:08.52 | Asmooh | haha |
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| 18:09.02 | rubymonk | :) |
| 18:09.06 | I-love-debian | But atleast I would be able too keep the computer |
| 18:09.18 | rubymonk | no way :P |
| 18:09.24 | ben_goodger | rubymonk: a tad excessive perhaps. I'd just go for a diskless model where everything needs a unique PGP fingerprint to connect to TCP. |
| 18:09.27 | Asmooh | well if u are a good worker, i will ask someone to reinstall your pc into debian, and then do your job |
| 18:09.32 | Asmooh | thats your job anyway I-love-debian ? |
| 18:09.34 | abrotman | Asmooh: the word is "you" |
| 18:09.35 | ben_goodger | that'd stop the little buggers and save on power |
| 18:09.35 | Asmooh | wehats* |
| 18:09.39 | Asmooh | whats* |
| 18:09.43 | I-love-debian | teacher |
| 18:09.45 | Asmooh | oh |
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| 18:10.05 | rubymonk | I-love-debian, Teaching ms-access :) ? |
| 18:10.12 | Asmooh | abrotman, whats the differendz ? |
| 18:10.15 | I-love-debian | no, general stuff |
| 18:10.19 | abrotman | Asmooh: in english .. quite a bit |
| 18:10.24 | jelly | who's miss access? |
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| 18:10.27 | I-love-debian | science, norwegian, geografy |
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| 18:10.28 | abrotman | I-love-debian: use colinux .. the bot already toldy ou about it |
| 18:10.39 | ben_goodger | Asmooh: one makes people want to kick you from the room and the other is "you" |
| 18:10.42 | I-love-debian | can I use it to partition? |
| 18:10.48 | abrotman | TRY IT AND SEE |
| 18:10.53 | Asmooh | hmm okay |
| 18:10.55 | I-love-debian | can I use it in kubunut? |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | ask #kubuntu |
| 18:11.31 | Asmooh | i will setup an script that renames "u" to "you" |
| 18:11.31 | Asmooh | ;) |
| 18:11.57 | momelod | i have a totally loegal question: how do i rename me interfaces eth0 and eth0:0 to lan0 and wan0 |
| 18:12.05 | abrotman | momelod: didn't i tell you ? |
| 18:12.08 | momelod | yes |
| 18:12.13 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 18:12.17 | momelod | but i dont have that package on this system |
| 18:12.24 | jelly | !installit |
| 18:12.24 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 18:12.25 | abrotman | install it |
| 18:12.27 | sepski | !ifrename |
| 18:12.27 | dpkg | well, ifrename is a utility which sets interface names based on parameters such as MAC address. Very handy if different kernels or kernel modules assign different identifiers to your interfaces, or just to make your firewall rules more readable. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3586546 |
| 18:12.30 | rubymonk | momelod, I'd think about z25 |
| 18:12.31 | momelod | yes i know.. |
| 18:12.34 | ben_goodger | heh |
| 18:12.38 | ben_goodger | the inevitable !onslaught |
| 18:12.40 | momelod | but i dont have internet access from that box |
| 18:12.44 | ben_goodger | speaking of which |
| 18:12.47 | ben_goodger | !onslaught |
| 18:12.51 | ben_goodger | aww. |
| 18:12.58 | abrotman | momelod: put a CD with the package in the drive |
| 18:13.00 | eylisian | ben_goodger, ntfs-resize on the command line is dicey, esp if you don't get the right block count. But if the IT guy is to be left out of it, personnel running Linux better know how to run it. |
| 18:13.04 | rubymonk | !tell momelod about z25 |
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| 18:13.18 | ben_goodger | eylisian: indeed so |
| 18:13.21 | momelod | thanks |
| 18:13.24 | rubymonk | yw |
| 18:13.38 | jelly | eylisian: I let gparted livecd do the resizing for me. |
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| 18:13.48 | eylisian | ben_goodger, that said, the IT guy is a chicken for not wanting to try it out ;) |
| 18:14.05 | ben_goodger | eylisian: nah, the IT guy is reasonably sensible |
| 18:14.24 | eylisian | jelly, copy that, gparted rawks it... There is some hardware it cannot cope w/ though. New Dell Vostro's kill it. |
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| 18:14.43 | ben_goodger | I'd rather have a professionally managed, properly configured network of windozers than a schoolful of I-love-debian-style setups |
| 18:14.48 | eylisian | ben_goodger, yeah, better conservative in production. |
| 18:15.20 | jelly | eylisian: sounds like a kernel issue |
| 18:15.24 | ben_goodger | OminousZ: asking how to do the 3rd part would be better. however, not many of us bite |
| 18:15.32 | rubymonk | The bad thing is that I-love-debian will kill the linux reputation at his job |
| 18:15.38 | ben_goodger | abrotman bites, watch out for him, otherwise we're OK ;) |
| 18:15.49 | jelly | abrotman: bite me? |
| 18:15.50 | OminousZ | ben_goodger, just a hypothetical :-) |
| 18:16.05 | rubymonk | "Oh, this guy installed linux at work... it doesn't work, this thing sucks, he's always fixing it..." |
| 18:16.12 | OminousZ | a sarcastic, wry, dry, malicious hypothetical |
| 18:16.22 | eylisian | jelly, could be. But Etch/Lenny/Sid couldn't recognize the Intel e1000 iface either, they are seriously weird machines. |
| 18:16.22 | abrotman | !bite jelly |
| 18:16.43 | eylisian | jelly, I do though have them (6 Vostro's) up with Lenny on them. |
| 18:16.44 | ben_goodger | rubymonk: it's more likely to be like "I can't fix it, help me #debian!" then "now I lost my job, I'll sue you foreigners!" |
| 18:16.58 | rubymonk | :) |
| 18:17.15 | rubymonk | added to have killed linux's reputation at his company... yes :D |
| 18:17.27 | ben_goodger | meh |
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| 18:17.54 | jelly | eylisian: we have some hp desktops with a chipset that looks more like a laptop than aynthing else. 2.6.18 failed at it. |
| 18:18.12 | ben_goodger | the IT guy is probably just looking for a quiet life. he's got his meaningless four-letter qualification and is now quite thoroughly engrossed in sudoku, no doubt |
| 18:18.33 | sm | X crash resolved, by removing/regenerating xorg.conf. Thanks for the help, all |
| 18:18.34 | ben_goodger | windozers don't demand much nowadays apart from the occasional reinstall |
| 18:18.58 | themill | ben_goodger: define occasional ;) |
| 18:19.06 | ben_goodger | mmmm |
| 18:19.08 | jelly | ben_goodger: maybe he's writing a sudoku solving script, and when it's ready he'll attain e17. |
| 18:19.15 | ben_goodger | welll... |
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| 18:19.27 | ben_goodger | I'd say about three-monthly |
| 18:19.36 | ben_goodger | jelly: I should hope not; E17 looks horrid |
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| 18:20.21 | jelly | comfusion sounds not like a good goal |
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| 18:20.46 | chops | How again do I use <<EOF to set a variable to a long, newline-containing string in bash? |
| 18:20.47 | ben_goodger | perhaps metacity then |
| 18:20.51 | jelly | !info fglrx-driver experimental |
| 18:20.52 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics cards), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.42.3-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7342 kB, Installed size: 22900 kB |
| 18:20.54 | ben_goodger | most of us are already there, after all |
| 18:21.16 | chops | TEST=<<EOF |
| 18:21.16 | chops | one |
| 18:21.18 | chops | EOF |
| 18:21.23 | jelly | Do I spot an aiglx enabled version of the driver? |
| 18:21.32 | chops | ... after all of that, $TEST does not contain "one\n" as I would expect it to |
| 18:21.40 | chops | So obviously I don't understand something |
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| 18:21.47 | ben_goodger | jelly: I don't know why you're asking us, it's your eyes |
| 18:21.56 | ben_goodger | :) |
| 18:22.03 | chops | nm |
| 18:22.06 | ben_goodger | oh my.. |
| 18:22.07 | chops | I tried reading the docs this time :-) |
| 18:22.13 | Seb | what does it mean when i get new packages for etch, that don't come from the etch-security thing ? |
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| 18:22.28 | Seb | i assume they're still security-related, right ? |
| 18:22.32 | ben_goodger | Seb: perhaps etch-updates? |
| 18:22.51 | themill | chops: you'd need to monkey with IFS first ;( not the best way of doing it. google for bash "here string" |
| 18:22.52 | vigilant | hey awlz |
| 18:22.52 | ben_goodger | curse my ubuntu heritage! |
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| 18:23.10 | Seb | for instance apache2 has been updated, but it doesn't seem to come from the security component |
| 18:23.33 | jelly | Seb: could be some critical breakage, or you haven't updated for so long that the version has fallen from security.d.o to main archive |
| 18:23.36 | ben_goodger | Seb: ok... kindly pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:24.10 | jelly | Seb: or pastebin apt-cache policy affected-package |
| 18:24.11 | themill | Seb: when a point release goes out, the main archive is also updated with those packages from the security team and also some other critical updates. |
| 18:24.11 | Seb | oh, so packages move from security.d.o to main etch after a while ? |
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| 18:25.03 | Seb | themill: oh i see |
| 18:25.09 | Seb | forgot about stable point-releases, yeah |
| 18:25.19 | Seb | thanks y'all ! |
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| 18:25.52 | ManuP | i am trying to install debian lenny (i386 machine) with netinstall. it doesnt find my network card. it is a Realtek RTL-8139 loading the module with modprobe 8139too fails. how do i activate the card? |
| 18:25.55 | I-love-debian | can I configure grub to boot a debian cd? |
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| 18:26.21 | dcnoye | what does this mean : Leave the following dependencies unresolved: |
| 18:26.22 | dcnoye | libslang2 recommends libpng12 |
| 18:26.22 | dcnoye | Score is -200 |
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| 18:28.38 | jelly | dcnoye: short answer, press [y]es, longer answer, the maintainer for libslang2 thinks it would work much better if libpng12 was installed too, but it will cope without it if it must. And it must. |
| 18:28.53 | jintxo | ManuP, have you tried 8139cp, maybe? |
| 18:29.05 | jelly | dcnoye: this should not happen if you're using debian stable. |
| 18:29.48 | ManuP | jintxo, jap, i did. tells again that he cant find. |
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| 18:30.38 | dcnoye | jelly - awesome ! that's exactly what i was looking for |
| 18:31.00 | ManuP | jintxo, i had an odd message before: No Kernel Modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive. |
| 18:31.43 | ManuP | i want to install from netinstall-cd. on the mirror, i hadnt a choice to choose which architecture i want (no i386 or amd64 link...) |
| 18:31.51 | ManuP | could that be the problem? |
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| 18:31.58 | ManuP | but the cd boots at least :) |
| 18:32.50 | j0e | ManuP: there are some netinst cd ..each one for a dedicated arch. |
| 18:33.05 | j0e | ManuP: use the right one then. |
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| 18:33.59 | jintxo | ManuP, wonder about the modules thing. does a dmesg show anything interesting. do you have lspci to see if the card shows in the list? |
| 18:34.02 | ManuP | j0e, no, i checked.. i have i386 |
| 18:34.15 | ManuP | jintxo, lspci shows the card. |
| 18:34.43 | j0e | ManuP: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 18:35.09 | ManuP | jintxo, nothing remarkable in dmesg |
| 18:35.13 | jintxo | and what's the error when you load it? that would help, no? |
| 18:35.20 | eylisian | jelly, the 2.6.22 kernel is working well in those Vostro's. I also built a ThinkPad T60 with it. |
| 18:36.01 | ManuP | j0e, i rechecked.. .i have the right image. |
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| 18:36.33 | j0e | ManuP: which CPU are youn using? |
| 18:37.26 | ManuP | j0e, amd athlon xp200+ |
| 18:37.50 | j0e | ManuP: so amd64 is the right one for you |
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| 18:38.09 | ManuP | j0e, woaw, wait a minuite.. this isnt a 64-bit system! |
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| 18:38.27 | j0e | ManuP: cpu is 64bit |
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| 18:38.56 | jintxo | ManuP, so what's the error when you try to modprobe / insmod |
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| 18:39.49 | ManuP | j0e, are you sure??? this is a 4 year old cpu. it is NOT a 64bit cpu. |
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| 18:40.27 | ManuP | jintxo, modprobe 8139cp tells that the module cant be found |
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| 18:41.10 | jintxo | and depmod -a? |
| 18:41.22 | chovy | can i safelyt remove everything in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 18:42.06 | jintxo | ManuP, or modprobe -l | grep 8139 see if it shows there |
| 18:42.40 | ManuP | jintxo, the module isnt loaded... |
| 18:43.14 | ManuP | jintxo, depmod -a shows nothing |
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| 18:43.23 | jintxo | ManuP, rght, but modprobe -l will give you the list of available modules |
| 18:43.31 | j0e | ManuP: that CPU was able to handle both 32 and 64bit if I remember well. |
| 18:43.36 | jintxo | s/rght/right |
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| 18:43.54 | jakub_ | hiii |
| 18:43.54 | ManuP | jintxo, so the module isnt available :/ |
| 18:44.01 | jakub_ | please i have broken depencies in debian |
| 18:44.08 | jakub_ | and i can fix it only with apt-get -f install but it doesnt work |
| 18:44.10 | jakub_ | how to fix it please |
| 18:44.51 | ManuP | j0e, but i always installed the ix86 versions. so i dont understand why i now should use amd64?! |
| 18:45.27 | wols_ | !tell jakub_ about bat |
| 18:45.35 | jakub_ | i did it |
| 18:45.38 | jakub_ | but nobody`s help me |
| 18:45.40 | jakub_ | yesterday |
| 18:45.45 | jakub_ | i need only to clean it |
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| 18:45.55 | jakub_ | i dont want to install the problematic software but take back it |
| 18:46.14 | ManuP | jakub_, remove/purge it? |
| 18:46.22 | jakub_ | i cant do anything |
| 18:46.23 | wols_ | ManuP: what does modprobe 8139too say? |
| 18:46.37 | jakub_ | it said me try apt-get -f install without packages |
| 18:46.52 | wols_ | jakub_: see what dpkg told you |
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| 18:47.16 | ManuP | wols_, "FATAL: Module 839 not found" |
| 18:47.25 | jakub_ | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 18:47.28 | wols_ | do what I asked you, don't make shit up |
| 18:47.34 | ManuP | wols_, read the error about the missing kernel-modules? |
| 18:47.36 | irule | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.36 | wols_ | !tell jakub_ about bat |
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| 18:47.43 | jakub_ | it was for one line only |
| 18:48.03 | wols_ | ManuP: I asked you to do something. do it please |
| 18:48.06 | jakub_ | apt-get -f install does not correct it |
| 18:48.08 | jakub_ | what i must do |
| 18:48.17 | wols_ | jakub_: you must do what dpkg tells you to |
| 18:48.37 | ManuP | wols_, ?! you told me to do a modprobe 8139too and i did it? so, whats wrong? |
| 18:48.44 | jakub_ | http://paste.debian.net/41197 |
| 18:48.54 | jakub_ | i want to find a solution |
| 18:48.57 | ManuP | wols_, you meant jakub_ ?! |
| 18:48.59 | wols_ | you did not: 19:47 < ManuP> wols_, "FATAL: Module 839 not found" |
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| 18:49.25 | ManuP | wols_, that's the exact output of "modprobe 8139too" |
| 18:49.39 | wols_ | jakub_: dpkg -r the packages |
| 18:49.41 | jintxo | what's with the 839 then? |
| 18:49.43 | themill | ManuP: I bet it's not... please check your command for a typo. or 3 |
| 18:49.49 | wols_ | ManuP: it is not |
| 18:50.28 | wols_ | ManuP: also: config-2.6.18-4-486:CONFIG_8139TOO=m |
| 18:50.33 | ManuP | themill, wols_ it is. i asked you, if you read my statement about the missing kernel modules. you dindt answer yet. |
| 18:50.36 | wols_ | ManuP: that means this module does exist in debian |
| 18:51.16 | wols_ | ManuP: read the "839" in your answer again and THEN with a straight face tell me this is exactly what you get... |
| 18:51.29 | ManuP | <ManuP> jintxo, i had an odd message before: No Kernel Modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive. wols_ themill |
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| 18:51.40 | wols_ | ManuP: uname -a |
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| 18:51.52 | jakub_ | okay |
| 18:51.55 | jakub_ | i fix it with altitude |
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| 18:52.37 | ManuP | uname -a: Linux (none) 2.6.18-4-486 #1 date... i686 unknown |
| 18:52.41 | skkane | hi, what do i have to install to have php email sending capabilities ? |
| 18:52.54 | [intra]lanman | pear-mail |
| 18:52.56 | [intra]lanman | :-) |
| 18:53.02 | skkane | thanks |
| 18:53.17 | [intra]lanman | or sendmail or the like (qmail, exim, etc) |
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| 18:53.26 | wols_ | inimesekene_: you're wrong |
| 18:53.31 | wols_ | [intra]lanman: |
| 18:53.35 | ManuP | wols_, okay, i made a type here in the irc, but on the other machine i wrote *8139too* |
| 18:53.37 | wols_ | not to mention there is no pear-mail in debian |
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| 18:53.52 | wols_ | ManuP: your uname -a looks vrey fishy too |
| 18:53.55 | skkane | [intra]lanman: i'm getting a unmet dependecy error when trying to apt-get install sendmail |
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| 18:54.02 | FastPutty | someone could help me quick with iptables? |
| 18:54.06 | elenril | when i use \mathbb{1} in latex, i get garbage |
| 18:54.18 | elenril | any ideas why? |
| 18:54.18 | wols_ | ManuP: ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.ko |
| 18:54.24 | skkane | [intra]lanman: dependecies that fail are sendmail-bin and rmail |
| 18:54.38 | [intra]lanman | wols_: pear-mail is a pear thing.... pear install foo.... that doesn't work in debian? |
| 18:54.38 | FastPutty | i cannot ping from A to D http://www.imageupload.ca/files/5jiknfgrj7ca5z5osent.jpg |
| 18:54.39 | wols_ | skkane: you already have exim4 installed |
| 18:55.05 | skkane | wols_: don't know, i just installed Lampp/Xampp to have apache, php, mysql, etc |
| 18:55.13 | wols_ | inimesekene_: a) I dunno but it circumvents debian package mangement b) it's not necessary since mail() is part of php |
| 18:55.16 | ManuP | wols_, the dir /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/drivers/ dont contain a dir "net" |
| 18:55.18 | skkane | i tried to test the sendmail function with a simple php mailer and the email did not arrive to my inbox |
| 18:55.24 | wols_ | skkane: every debian installs exim4 |
| 18:55.30 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:55.35 | wols_ | skkane: then fix your exim config |
| 18:55.44 | ManuP | wols_, only acpi base block cdrom char ide ieee1394 input parport pcmcia scsi serial usb video |
| 18:55.47 | wols_ | skkane: dpkjg -l |grep exim |
| 18:56.02 | wols_ | ManuP: reinstall your kernel |
| 18:56.13 | skkane | wols_: i don't have that dpkjg command |
| 18:56.19 | [intra]lanman | dpkg |
| 18:56.27 | ManuP | wols_, i want to install from netinstall-cd (debian lenny)... how should i reinstall the kernel? |
| 18:56.33 | wols_ | skkane: sorry. dpkg -l |
| 18:56.43 | [intra]lanman | skkane: wols_ was just a bit excited when he types that |
| 18:56.45 | [intra]lanman | :-) |
| 18:56.45 | wols_ | ManuP: by using a proper installer |
| 18:56.58 | wols_ | !tell ManuP about d-i |
| 18:57.49 | Asmooh | windows s*cks ;) |
| 18:58.10 | skkane | [intra]lanman: it shows me the daemons but i can't paste from the console to pastebin for some reason |
| 18:58.10 | ManuP | wols_, why do i get the odd message about the kernel modules during installation? |
| 18:58.22 | skkane | [intra]lanman: this is a dedicated server, i'm connect to it thru putty |
| 18:58.24 | wols_ | ManuP: you are using a beta. deal with it |
| 18:58.25 | skkane | ssh |
| 18:58.38 | wols_ | !pastewithoutx |
| 18:58.39 | dpkg | i guess pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 18:58.47 | wols_ | skkane: is exim4 installed, yes or no? |
| 18:58.53 | skkane | yes |
| 18:58.59 | ManuP | wols_, so it is quite "normal". it has nothing to do with the problem? |
| 18:59.02 | wols_ | so config it properly |
| 18:59.07 | skkane | i don't know how |
| 18:59.08 | skkane | :o |
| 18:59.15 | wols_ | ManuP: it is not. your kernel isntall is broken, period |
| 18:59.18 | \amethyst | elenril: you can only use uppercase letters in mathbb |
| 18:59.49 | elenril | \amethyst, so how do i write this |
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| 19:00.01 | skkane | wols_: exim4-config ? |
| 19:00.09 | wols_ | skkane: via dpkg-reconfigure yes |
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| 19:00.18 | skkane | i'll try |
| 19:00.29 | ManuP | wols_, installing debian etch and upgrading to lenny: would that be an alternative? |
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| 19:00.30 | Supaplex | !try |
| 19:00.30 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
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| 19:01.56 | \amethyst | elenril: found this on the web somewhere: |
| 19:02.23 | \amethyst | elenril: \def\bbone{{\mathchoice {\rm {1\mskip-4.5mu l}} {\rm {1\mskip-4.5mu l}} {\rm {1\mskip-3.8mu l}} {\rm {1\mskip-4.3mu l}}}} |
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| 19:03.11 | ManuP | wols_, the "!tell ManuP about d-i" didnt help me on how to install the kernel again |
| 19:03.20 | nostahl | anyone here familiar with running Second Life in debian? |
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| 19:04.31 | elenril | \amethyst, thanks, that almost works |
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| 19:07.56 | rellik_ | I was doing an apt-get install and it failed on configure.. so I manually configured the package and it's fine.. but now whenever I install something else it tries to reconfigure the package (and fails).. how do I tell it that the package is installed and to quit trying to configure it? |
| 19:08.28 | \amethyst | elenril: aha: \usepackage{bbm} then $\mathbbm{1}$ |
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| 19:08.35 | skkane | wols_: fixed it, removed exim4 and installed sendmail instead |
| 19:08.37 | skkane | works fine, tkz |
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| 19:09.22 | abrotman | rellik_: you have to fix that package |
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| 19:09.42 | rellik_ | abrotman, that doesn't sound simple :( |
| 19:09.45 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to setup a guest os in qemu to get dhcp drom local dhcp server? |
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| 19:10.05 | elenril | \amethyst, ty |
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| 19:10.34 | ManuP | well... fine.. will install debian etch on the machine then. |
| 19:11.18 | wols_ | ManuP: it tells you how to install debian |
| 19:11.48 | abrotman | rellik_: depends why it's dying |
| 19:12.03 | abrotman | madclicker: bridging |
| 19:12.16 | Scurz | How Can I execute a .bin file ? |
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| 19:13.06 | nostahl | i think you just go to the directory its in with a terminal and type ./namehere.bin |
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| 19:13.43 | Scurz | ok |
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| 19:16.50 | TurboBee | I seem to be having a problem playing flash in my debian |
| 19:16.59 | TurboBee | iceweasel |
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| 19:17.20 | TurboBee | and I installed flashplayer thats the confusing part |
| 19:17.45 | Kilah | TurboBee, x86_64 ? |
| 19:17.55 | TurboBee | nope x86 |
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| 19:18.20 | lgc__ | Does anyone know of some software to construct structured flowcharts? |
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| 19:18.25 | TurboBee | ok |
| 19:18.26 | TurboBee | omg |
| 19:18.31 | TurboBee | I tried it now and it works |
| 19:18.35 | nostahl | anyone here familiar with running Second Life in debian? |
| 19:18.35 | TurboBee | damn debian is making a liar out of me |
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| 19:25.02 | wols_ | nostahl: ask a real question |
| 19:25.20 | nostahl | that is a real question wols |
| 19:25.28 | wols_ | no it's a shitty poll |
| 19:25.30 | wols_ | !poll |
| 19:25.30 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:25.36 | nostahl | its quite alot less effort to just not type if your not going to offer help |
| 19:25.49 | wols_ | so you are lazy but expect help from us? |
| 19:25.53 | xingu | wols_: sorry to be a bit rude, do you remember the dpkg hint for finding out what's holding a package up? |
| 19:25.58 | wols_ | why should we help if you are too lazy |
| 19:25.58 | StucKman | oh, big oracle, you who knows everything, howtf can I debug udev rules? |
| 19:25.59 | [intra]lanman | nostahl: i'm familiar, i've heard someone said that it may or may not be possible given the right or wrong circumstances |
| 19:26.13 | Ronin | good govt answer [intra]lanman |
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| 19:26.17 | wols_ | xingu: apt-get install <package> is the usual way to resolve this |
| 19:26.28 | [intra]lanman | :-D |
| 19:26.30 | der-einzig-wahre | lgc: kivio |
| 19:26.37 | xingu | wols_: yeah, there's a hint for "why isn't ... in ... " |
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| 19:26.46 | \amethyst | !why isn't foo in testing |
| 19:26.46 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 19:26.49 | wols_ | why isn't package in testing |
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| 19:26.54 | xingu | cheers |
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| 19:27.10 | Jyzygzel- | where do i get the newest debian testing CD iso? |
| 19:27.23 | wols_ | StucKman: you need to sacrifice goats. LOTS of goats. if that doesn't help, try chicken |
| 19:27.33 | StucKman | wols_: jajajaj :( |
| 19:27.44 | tarzeau | wols_: goats? |
| 19:27.49 | wols_ | goats |
| 19:27.54 | Jyzygzel- | the torrent is Broken!! |
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| 19:27.59 | StucKman | wols_: male o female? |
| 19:28.00 | tarzeau | wols_: you forgot the e? |
| 19:28.15 | StucKman | tarzeau: hehe |
| 19:28.17 | dalias | goatse |
| 19:28.26 | wols_ | tarzeau: human sacrifices are only the totally last resort, so no |
| 19:28.28 | dalias | you need to make a sacrifice by viewing lots of goatse |
| 19:28.32 | StucKman | (google at your own risk) |
| 19:28.33 | dalias | until you stab your eyes out |
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| 19:28.38 | wols_ | StucKman: doesn't matter, udev is not gender biased |
| 19:29.15 | tarzeau | StucKman, wols_: now, seriously, have you tried the http://packages.debian.org/goattracker ? |
| 19:29.32 | abrotman | oh jesus |
| 19:29.34 | StucKman | dalias: does seeing nickscipio's POD for yesterday? |
| 19:29.44 | abrotman | wols_: it's nothing useful |
| 19:29.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: it is! the sid chip is 25 years old now! |
| 19:30.01 | wols_ | abrotman: that goes without saying :) |
| 19:30.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: useless |
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| 19:30.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know a person personally using it, and tracking music with it |
| 19:30.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: you can't count yourself |
| 19:30.55 | wols_ | tarzeau: I know tons of people using windows |
| 19:30.56 | tarzeau | cockroach: hi :) |
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| 19:31.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not me, it's cockroach |
| 19:31.16 | tarzeau | wols_: i also use windows, ever evening i open one |
| 19:31.18 | tarzeau | for fresh air |
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| 19:33.04 | StucKman | so, udev is silent as a deaf tomb? |
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| 19:35.25 | rubymonk | Hum, any particular reason why echo "test\ntest\n" | passwd will fail saying Authentication information cannot be recovered, passwd: password unchanged |
| 19:35.26 | rubymonk | ? |
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| 19:35.47 | dalias | rubymonk, passwd does not accept piped input from stdin |
| 19:35.53 | dalias | it reads it only from the controlling terminal |
| 19:35.53 | rubymonk | hum, ok |
| 19:35.56 | \amethyst | rubymonk: and even if it did, you'd need echo -e |
| 19:36.01 | dalias | and yes.. |
| 19:36.07 | dalias | \amethyst is right too |
| 19:36.12 | rubymonk | yes |
| 19:36.14 | rubymonk | ok, thanks |
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| 19:36.27 | rubymonk | Worked with -e :) |
| 19:36.50 | dalias | oh? interesting |
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| 19:37.18 | dalias | btw if you use shell scripts to manipulate passwords, be sure one is never passed on a command line |
| 19:37.28 | \amethyst | indeed |
| 19:37.29 | dalias | only via pipes |
| 19:37.30 | StucKman | dalias: it's ssh who takes input from the tty |
| 19:37.48 | dalias | command lines are world-readable |
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| 19:38.10 | rubymonk | I know, just writing an install script |
| 19:38.20 | rubymonk | Thanks though |
| 19:38.20 | OminousZ | any particular reason why they're world readable? |
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| 19:38.34 | \amethyst | OminousZ: tradition |
| 19:39.02 | OminousZ | TRADITIOOOOOONNN! |
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| 19:39.40 | OminousZ | I'll be more specific |
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| 19:39.53 | OminousZ | would I break stuff if I attempted to alter that tradition? :-P |
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| 19:40.13 | \amethyst | OminousZ: only things like ps -A |
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| 19:40.24 | CharminTheMoose | how do i unrar a foo.rar.001 and a foo.rar.002 as part of the same archive using CLI unrrar? |
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| 19:40.52 | StucKman | CharminTheMoose: seems like a .rar file splited |
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| 19:41.23 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: if it's a real multipart rar, "unrar" (as opposed to unrar-free) can deal. |
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| 19:42.35 | trentg | Is there a gnome-light or something? |
| 19:42.42 | CharminTheMoose | would 'file' say it's a split archive? |
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| 19:43.07 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: probably not; just point non-free/unrar at the first .rar file and try your luck. |
| 19:43.13 | RudyRayMoore | hey im looking to switch a backup scheme from ONLY backup these dirs specified to INCLUDE all of these dirs EXCEPT A,B,C,D |
| 19:43.27 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: it should auto-generate the filenames |
| 19:43.32 | RudyRayMoore | anyone have any advice as what not to include |
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| 19:43.41 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: ie, auto-follow them after recognising that it's multipart |
| 19:43.50 | StucKman | trentg: xfce? |
| 19:43.57 | CharminTheMoose | so, it should move onto .002? |
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| 19:44.15 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: exactly so |
| 19:44.17 | apol | is there llvm 2.1 support planned for sid at any time? |
| 19:44.19 | dansushi | Does anyone here know why in the ext3 format, there seems to be a large amount of space taken up even right after you format it? for example, i just formatted a 459Gb drive and it already says that I only have 435GB free. Does anyone here know why? |
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| 19:44.28 | trentg | StucKman: No, I want real GNOME but without the unneeded things |
| 19:44.38 | sayers | With korgainizer how can I sync with my web calendar ? |
| 19:44.51 | xingu | dansushi: the root dir of the fs will have a hidden file ".journal" |
| 19:44.51 | dalias | dansushi, probably you left the default reserved space for root |
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| 19:44.54 | StucKman | trentg: deinstall/remove/configure |
| 19:44.57 | dalias | (5% or so?) |
| 19:44.57 | xingu | dansushi: which is what it says on the tin |
| 19:45.05 | StucKman | (that's why kde is better :) |
| 19:45.07 | dalias | dansushi, check 'df' as root and see if it's higher |
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| 19:45.22 | dansushi | xingu: the thing is, i just formated it, there is no root folder |
| 19:45.28 | dansushi | it's not my root filesystem |
| 19:45.37 | xingu | there's always a root dir of a filesystem |
| 19:45.39 | xingu | think about it |
| 19:45.53 | dalias | umm |
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| 19:46.00 | dalias | root here has nothing to do with root dir |
| 19:46.05 | dalias | root == uid 0 |
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| 19:46.24 | dalias | "reserved for root" means for files with owner uid = 0 |
| 19:46.30 | trentg | Is there a way to get a list of dependencies for a package and pipe it to a file? |
| 19:46.35 | Jyzygzel- | user identification! |
| 19:46.37 | tarzeau | trentg: sure |
| 19:46.46 | dansushi | xingu: no, there isn't |
| 19:46.59 | trentg | how? (with what command) |
| 19:47.28 | abrotman | trentg: man apt-cache |
| 19:47.33 | ezguy | what is /proc/sys/fs/file-max? |
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| 19:47.42 | tarzeau | trentg: apt-cache showsrc ocp | grep Build-Depends |
| 19:47.57 | abrotman | i think he meant the binary deps .. |
| 19:47.59 | tarzeau | trentg: but there's even apt-get build-dep ... |
| 19:48.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah |
| 19:48.23 | abrotman | trentg: apt-cache depends <pkg> |
| 19:48.47 | abrotman | trentg: grep .. maybe some awk .. have a nice day :) |
| 19:48.52 | trentg | What about the packages it will pull in? I'm thinking of the "gnome" package. |
| 19:49.08 | trentg | Or is that all of em? |
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| 19:49.12 | abrotman | trentg: that's nto all of them |
| 19:49.20 | abrotman | i saw that somewhere ... |
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| 19:49.31 | xingu | dansushi: does dumpe2fs /dev/yourdev | grep Journal report a size roughly equivalent to the space "consumed" ? |
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| 19:50.21 | abrotman | debtree maybe |
| 19:51.19 | trentg | No package named debtree |
| 19:51.50 | trentg | How do I search uninstalled packages for a file? |
| 19:51.53 | abrotman | damn google! |
| 19:51.56 | abrotman | trentg: apt-file |
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| 19:54.33 | Asmooh | apt-get remove |
| 19:54.44 | Asmooh | ow |
| 19:54.57 | Hoxzer | :) |
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| 20:00.17 | yigal | hi many people helped me decide to use amd64 vs. x86 on my amd64 laptop. The problem I have now is how to install acrobat reader. If anyone could give me a suggestion as to which way I should approach it - chroot or otherwise I would appreciate it. |
| 20:01.11 | yigal | I need acroread vs. evince, xpdf or other open source ware because I need to read a numerical recipe pdf and they no longer offer it free but require acroread to read it - bummer |
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| 20:02.04 | yigal | any thoughtful suggestions would be well received, thank you |
| 20:02.16 | helo | yigal: brush your teeth twice a day, and floss |
| 20:02.23 | yigal | helo: I do |
| 20:02.35 | abrotman | yigal: you can't save the PDF ? |
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| 20:02.51 | yigal | abrotman: they encrypt it in a way that I don't know how to break |
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| 20:03.23 | yigal | abrotman: I could apply pdf crack but I have no idea how long it would take to break the code or even if it can be broken in the way they have set it up this way |
| 20:03.55 | chops | yigal: i386 chroot is probably the way to go |
| 20:04.40 | yigal | chops: the approximate size of a chroot that could handle what I am interested in is about 400mb? |
| 20:04.54 | chops | yigal: I'm honestly not sure |
| 20:04.54 | yigal | chops: more of a question than anything else |
| 20:05.27 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 20:05.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
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| 20:06.26 | yigal | abrotman: nspluginwrapper is really great for flash do you know if it could/will work for acroread? |
| 20:06.37 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 20:06.38 | helo | is it possible to change bios settings of some bioses from within the OS, so on a reboot new settings will be in effect? |
| 20:06.41 | null | Question: What suite is ls_pci part of? |
| 20:06.44 | abrotman | lspci |
| 20:06.48 | abrotman | pciutils |
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| 20:08.20 | null | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:08.44 | helo | anyone know if it is possible to boot off of pxe, and run a custom script that, based on the existence of certain files on nfs, either reimage the hard drive or boot the current hard drive image? |
| 20:08.57 | helo | +will |
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| 20:09.50 | jelly | helo: that last scenario definitely sounds possible. you can run anything after you boot... |
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| 20:10.40 | Jyzygzel- | lol "Disabling netinst CD in sources.list" has been there QUITE a while |
| 20:10.55 | elenril | is there a fsck.ntfs? |
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| 20:11.05 | Jyzygzel- | Finishing the installation 30% ;) |
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| 20:11.29 | helo | i want to be able to push updates out with pxe if the system is hosed, but i don't want people to have to actually go into the bios and enable pxe booting, and then disable it |
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| 20:11.40 | jelly | elenril: I don't think so... |
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| 20:12.07 | helo | so i think i am going to have pxe booting always on, and control the imaging/loading behavior with nfs |
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| 20:12.36 | helo | which a small pxe image will check |
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| 20:13.10 | Jyzygzel- | so if the installer freezes... |
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| 20:14.36 | Jyzygzel- | what am i supposed to do now? |
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| 20:18.10 | groton | how to install linux-source-2.6.20 package? :) |
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| 20:19.20 | Jyzygzel- | "Disabling netinst CD in sources.list" |
| 20:19.23 | Jyzygzel- | 30mins now |
| 20:19.29 | Jyzygzel- | what do i do? |
| 20:19.34 | h3sp4wn | groton: snapshot.debian.net (If it was ever there I don't remember) |
| 20:19.43 | groton | h3sp4wn, thanks a lot! |
| 20:20.09 | h3sp4wn | groton: Its not in any of stable / testing / unstable at the moment though |
| 20:20.20 | groton | damnit |
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| 20:20.27 | Jyzygzel- | hey?! |
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| 20:21.17 | tdrusk | n00b ? how do I make a new text file in the commandline |
| 20:21.30 | Ronin | tdrusk: editor of choise filename |
| 20:21.36 | RudyRayMoore | lots of ways... |
| 20:21.37 | Ronin | tdrusk: as in nano test, jed test |
| 20:21.40 | Ronin | vi test, ummm |
| 20:21.47 | tdrusk | thanks |
| 20:21.50 | RudyRayMoore | echo foo > foobar ; touch blah ; vi foobar |
| 20:22.07 | Ronin | RudyRayMoore: that too |
| 20:22.22 | RudyRayMoore | my thoughts are though |
| 20:22.24 | tdrusk | I just did nano *name of wanted file* Thanks :) |
| 20:22.25 | Jyzygzel- | hmm |
| 20:22.31 | Jyzygzel- | can anyone hear? |
| 20:22.33 | RudyRayMoore | if the person doesnt know how to make a file via CLI.. that vi is over his head |
| 20:22.46 | Ronin | RudyRayMoore: most likely hence my very simple suggestions |
| 20:22.49 | Jyzygzel- | did i drop |
| 20:22.56 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: restart the installer |
| 20:23.07 | RudyRayMoore | Ronin: i missed your answer :P |
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| 20:23.15 | RudyRayMoore | i shoulda said pico text :P |
| 20:23.18 | Jyzygzel- | abrotman sure if you tell me the executable |
| 20:23.38 | abrotman | i meant .. start from scratch |
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| 20:23.45 | Jyzygzel- | ... |
| 20:23.53 | Jyzygzel- | abrotman well this time i want full image |
| 20:24.04 | abrotman | CD1? |
| 20:24.11 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 20:24.19 | Jyzygzel- | i couldn't find it anywhere |
| 20:24.29 | Jyzygzel- | browsed for like 30mins and couldn't find it |
| 20:24.32 | Jyzygzel- | the Testing CD1 |
| 20:25.05 | abrotman | probably isn't one |
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| 20:25.47 | Jyzygzel- | huh? |
| 20:26.11 | tdrusk | where is: | on the keyboard? |
| 20:26.18 | sam_ | is fglrx broken in sid? |
| 20:26.18 | Ronin | tdrusk: above teh \ |
| 20:26.26 | Ronin | usually that is |
| 20:26.36 | sam_ | i am unable to install the kernel module.. |
| 20:26.45 | tdrusk | ronin: thanks |
| 20:26.55 | Dantix | hi all, from a time today my server is giving me "Stale NFS file handle" whe I trying to access some sub-folder from a nfs mounted folder, not all just some.. what does means, what could be wrong? |
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| 20:27.53 | abrotman | sam_: check the bts |
| 20:28.00 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: there likely isn't a CD1 for testing |
| 20:28.11 | sellout | I have a box running lenny/sid, and I get this error when doing a dist-upgrade (while installing libpam-modules): "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man5/limits.conf.5.gz', which is also in package passwd". |
| 20:28.21 | sellout | Any suggestions as to where I should poke around for a solution? |
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| 20:28.39 | bonez39 | what command reveals one's dns servers? |
| 20:28.47 | Jyzygzel- | abrotman what are you talking about |
| 20:28.47 | alexou | hi |
| 20:28.49 | alexou | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.50 | Jyzygzel- | ofc there is |
| 20:28.57 | abrotman | okay .. then find it |
| 20:29.01 | Jyzygzel- | how else i can install it?? |
| 20:29.23 | Ronin | which release are you trying to install again Jyzygzel- ? |
| 20:29.33 | Jyzygzel- | Debian Testing the latest |
| 20:29.45 | Jyzygzel- | is it any good for Desktop? |
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| 20:30.37 | Ronin | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:30.42 | Ronin | you look there Jyzygzel- ? |
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| 20:31.04 | Jyzygzel- | well that installer didn't work for me |
| 20:31.13 | Jyzygzel- | it just gets stuck at the Finishing installation |
| 20:31.30 | Ronin | theres always install etch and upgrade to lenny |
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| 20:32.18 | sam_ | abrotman, nothing obvious in bts |
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| 20:32.41 | abrotman | sam_: i'd say it's broken or your mirror is out of date |
| 20:32.42 | qmsl | I'm using a reverse proxy cache with mod_proxy mod_cache which is working. Ss there a way to serve pages out of the cache when the upstream server is offline? |
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| 20:34.42 | tdrusk | In a guide it says,"Database setup can be done with the help of a script in examples/setup-mysql" where is examples/setup-mysql? |
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| 20:35.58 | tdrusk | nevermind I found it |
| 20:36.57 | Ronin | glad we could help tdrusk ;) |
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| 20:38.05 | sam_ | anyone seen this before? http://pastebin.ca/756903 |
| 20:38.11 | bewt | If dns is working but traceroute/tcp is not on a WPA wifi connection (using wpa_supplicant) randomly, is this common? |
| 20:38.37 | h3sp4wn | bewt: any wierdness like double nat ? bridging ? |
| 20:39.34 | bewt | h3sp4wn, its a uni network, it uses some kind fo mac filter, you log on the first time with dhcp, any website takes you to an authentication website |
| 20:39.40 | bewt | after you finish loggin in, you re-dhcp |
| 20:39.44 | bewt | and it should work |
| 20:40.02 | bewt | but sometimes it freezes in the first phase, i can DNS anything (even google) but no tcp packets go through |
| 20:40.04 | sellout | So, no suggestions for my libpam-modules/passwd issue? |
| 20:40.13 | sam_ | sorry this is more useful http://pastebin.ca/756908 |
| 20:40.14 | h3sp4wn | bewt: My uni network doesn't have any problems for me (wpa2-enterprise aes) |
| 20:40.25 | bewt | yea :< it works perfectly on windows |
| 20:40.36 | bewt | Im running lenny |
| 20:41.03 | bewt | Its also a iwl4965 |
| 20:41.08 | bewt | Which is like, buggy :( |
| 20:41.31 | bewt | I even made a script to reload the module and wpa_supplicant |
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| 20:41.51 | sellout | Here's a little more context, but I doubt it adds anything useful: http://pastebin.ca/756915 |
| 20:42.28 | h3sp4wn | bewt: I am using madwifi |
| 20:42.38 | bewt | h3sp4wn, for example, i open firefox, type in www.google.com, it redirects me to campusmanager.essex.ac.uk:8443 |
| 20:42.47 | bewt | But it gives me a server not found |
| 20:43.10 | h3sp4wn | bewt: Is there not a way you can connect with some other method ? |
| 20:43.13 | n3kl | I have a crap ton of messages waiting to deliver to my mail host. Now that my mail server is back up, how can I force these message through? |
| 20:43.34 | SNow | ;-))) |
| 20:43.41 | bewt | h3sp4wn, only if i plug it in instead of a lab computer, and thats illegal, i have to spoof the mac address |
| 20:43.48 | bewt | (Also sometimes that doesnt work either) |
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| 20:44.16 | bewt | I am forced to boot windows, and im like :( |
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| 20:44.34 | sayers | Where does gallery2 install to? |
| 20:44.43 | chops | sayers: dpkg -L gallery2 |
| 20:44.44 | Ronin | sayers: did you look? |
| 20:44.53 | sayers | chops: I know that. |
| 20:45.01 | simonrvn | sayers: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 20:45.02 | sayers | I mean as in how/where would I enable it? |
| 20:45.08 | Ronin | ahh |
| 20:45.19 | chops | sayers: Well then why should I be the one to type the command, rather than you? :-) |
| 20:45.25 | bewt | oh well |
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| 20:45.46 | h3sp4wn | bewt: Can you connect to eduroam instead ? (I can at any university in the uk using 802.1x) |
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| 20:46.18 | sam_ | how can i find out the version number of an installed package please? |
| 20:46.52 | sellout | !tell sellout about overwrite |
| 20:46.52 | chops | sam_: dpkg -l |
| 20:47.23 | sam_ | chops, thanks |
| 20:47.34 | chops | sam_: np |
| 20:47.39 | sayers | chops: That doesn't tell me how to enable it |
| 20:48.07 | Ronin | sayers: read the man? or the online docs? |
| 20:48.29 | sayers | Ronin: there is no man and the only docs do not talk about the debian installer in dept |
| 20:48.52 | abrotman | !tell sam_ about refcard |
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| 20:48.54 | abrotman | !tell sam_ about grounding |
| 20:48.57 | sayers | Ronin: I should be able to go http://sjsayers.com/gallery2 and it work |
| 20:49.30 | Ronin | sayers: perhaps, what do the log files say if its not? did you configure it? |
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| 20:50.37 | sayers | Ronin: the log did not mention it |
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| 20:50.51 | Ronin | did you configure it sayers ? |
| 20:50.52 | Asmooh | hey |
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| 20:51.01 | sayers | Ronin: yes |
| 20:51.02 | Asmooh | it isnt save to run mysql not on localhost isnt ? |
| 20:51.13 | chops | sayers: Yes, but it does answer the question you asked -- if me hanging out and answering your questions for free isn't good enough for you, I'm not sure what to tell you :-). I don't know how to enable gallery2, sorry. |
| 20:51.18 | Ronin | then check the online docs at the gallery website |
| 20:51.52 | abrotman | Asmooh: depends on your needs .. if you don't have to, you sohuldn't |
| 20:51.55 | abrotman | shouldn't |
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| 20:52.58 | Asmooh | abrotman, well i was thinking about: my mysql server and db server are one pc, but i want the users on another pc , but the ftp logins at the mysql db on the dns server; but i dont know if thats the best to do; or better to create those users on another server |
| 20:53.36 | Asmooh | omg Superbartt ;x |
| 20:53.36 | Superbartt | ohnoes it's Asmooh |
| 20:53.37 | Superbartt | stalker |
| 20:53.37 | Asmooh | jij ja |
| 20:56.12 | sam_ | this seems broken to me - http://pastebin.ca/756939 am i being stupid? |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | sam_: it's called unstable for a reason |
| 20:56.52 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 20:56.52 | dpkg | fglrx one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 20:57.10 | sam_ | abrotman, fair enough :) |
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| 21:13.37 | Jabka | how should i add the man file inside the package (i modifed /debian/manfile.1 but lintian complaines that there is no man file) ? |
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| 21:14.16 | Jabka | the package http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/smser/ |
| 21:14.42 | stefan__ | Jabka: aaahhh too bad : I have no idea :-( |
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| 21:15.01 | Jabka | the package is so bad ? |
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| 21:15.26 | Jabka | * im using the default debian/rules |
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| 21:17.26 | aboyz | anyone know how to tell if a email address is valid? I'm getting a 550 5.1.1 Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table. Is this on my side on on the recipient side? anyone know thanks.. |
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| 21:18.06 | Jabka | if you recive that from the server you sending to the problem is on the other server |
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| 21:18.24 | aboyz | jabka the email address i send to have issues? |
| 21:18.35 | aboyz | but other can send it to him |
| 21:19.38 | Jabka | if only you get that msg try to send thru proxy or other domain name since some postfix configuration don't allow some ISP |
| 21:19.44 | Jabka | or domains |
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| 21:21.36 | Jabka | aboyz: from MS : http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb123891.aspx |
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| 21:21.46 | Jabka | try to change your FQDN |
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| 21:23.11 | Jabka | why dpkg don't help me ? :'-) |
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| 21:27.14 | howtoo_ | hey.. I want to apt-get install kde with all recommended and suggested packages.. how do I do that? |
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| 21:27.18 | sda1 | hi |
| 21:27.35 | sda1 | im looking for php script autoresponder. can someone help? |
| 21:27.38 | kritzstapf | howtoo_: use aptitude |
| 21:27.45 | bazz | if i'm in group foo and a file is chowned root:foo, what permissions do i need to set on the file so i can rename it (i.e. mv file file.bk) |
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| 21:28.04 | kritzstapf | howtoo_: or install kubuntu-desktop |
| 21:28.08 | wols_ | bazz: you need to make it group writable |
| 21:28.13 | ma3x | hey can you tell me whats your default font for firefox? serif or times new roman |
| 21:28.22 | wols_ | kritzstapf: we're not on kubuntu |
| 21:28.30 | bazz | wols_: i've done that (chmod 775 file) and i still get permission denied |
| 21:28.37 | kritzstapf | ah, i thought this was #ubuntu, sorry |
| 21:28.46 | wols_ | what is the setting for the directory? |
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| 21:28.54 | howtoo_ | aha.. thanks =) |
| 21:28.58 | kritzstapf | howtoo_: no kubuntu for debian ;) |
| 21:29.01 | jnguy | apt-get autoremove is wrong... it thinks more packages should be removed that are clearly needed. Doing a little research revealed that it is associated with meta packages. Anyone know how to fix? |
| 21:29.08 | wols_ | !install kde |
| 21:29.08 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:29.12 | bazz | wols_: just check that, that was the problem. stupid me :) |
| 21:29.20 | bazz | checked that is |
| 21:30.03 | cloakable | I'll have to install kdebase next time :P |
| 21:30.32 | rubymonk | I wrote a script, that at some point enters in a chroot'ed env... then, it has to leave this env... so the script does an "exit" but instead of leaving the chroot, the script stops because of this exit (it seems)... Any idea how I can leave the chroot'ed env without leaving the script ? |
| 21:31.16 | wols_ | rubymonk: split the script in two |
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| 21:31.56 | rubymonk | humm, ok, that's a valid suggestion... but I get in and out of the chroot maybe 5 times in that script.. |
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| 21:33.04 | nico | hello |
| 21:33.15 | jnguy | anyone on autoremove? |
| 21:34.11 | chops | jnguy: You can use aptitude to reset which packages are marked as auto and which aren't |
| 21:34.33 | chops | jnguy: Can you pastebin the operation you're attempting, with the output (including it wanting to remove the packages you don't want it to remove) |
| 21:34.36 | chops | ? |
| 21:35.27 | jnguy | chops: I don't actually have the output here, it was something I encountered at home on a machine I can't get to right now. I just wanted to ask and see if anyone has seen something similar. |
| 21:35.37 | epsilon | any howto to get flash from debian-multimedia.org run with iceweasel? |
| 21:35.44 | jnguy | but thank you. |
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| 21:35.58 | epsilon | I linked both plugin files to .mozille/firefox/plugins, but no effect... |
| 21:36.08 | chops | jnguy: I've certainly seen aptitude want to autoremove stuff that shouldn't be removed. The solution there is to mark the stuff it wants to remove as not-auto. |
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| 21:36.56 | jnguy | chops: Got it. Exactly what I was looking for. Anyway to do it without aptitude? (What does aptitude pass to apt-get? or is it just aptitude meta data?) |
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| 21:37.47 | chops | jnguy: Something like 'aptitude remove kde-every-damned-thing-metapackage kdebase\&m kdelibs\&m' |
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| 21:38.03 | chops | jnguy: Oh, I didn't know that apt-get did autoremove now; I thought it was just aptitude. |
| 21:38.40 | jnguy | =) |
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| 21:38.53 | jnguy | well... not in etch. I think it was introduced in lenny. |
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| 21:39.17 | chops | jnguy: If apt-get does autoremove now, though, the solution should be roughly the same. |
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| 21:39.24 | Farhadix | l |
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| 21:39.27 | kantor | hi, somebody knows a Linux video card benchmark/ speed test program ? |
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| 21:40.22 | chops | kantor: glxgears :-) |
| 21:40.23 | aboyz | anyoneknow of a website to test if a email address is valid? |
| 21:40.31 | wols_ | kantor: http://www.spec.org/benchmarks.html#gwpg |
| 21:40.34 | jnguy | chops: Yeah, but how do you mark soemthing not-auto via apt-get? |
| 21:40.36 | kantor | ook |
| 21:40.37 | wols_ | aboyz: not possible |
| 21:40.38 | kantor | thanks |
| 21:40.49 | aboyz | wols. cuz i'm getting a bounce back |
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| 21:40.53 | jnguy | chops: glxgears: THIS IS NOT A BENCHMARKING PROGRAM =D |
| 21:40.56 | aboyz | its saying the receipeint is not valid |
| 21:41.00 | dkr | aboyz: telnet mx.of.domain 25 and use vrfy command, :) |
| 21:41.11 | wols_ | aboyz: I didn't ask you something |
| 21:41.14 | jnguy | kantor: Are you running beryl, compiz, fusion or whatever? |
| 21:41.28 | wols_ | dkr: when wa the last time VRFY actually worked? 1994? |
| 21:41.34 | dkr | aboyz: then the recipient is not valid. the receiving server is the authoritative source of that |
| 21:41.35 | aboyz | do i telnet domain.com 25? |
| 21:41.44 | aboyz | dkr. but other can send to it |
| 21:41.44 | wols_ | aboyz: don't bother |
| 21:41.54 | aboyz | is it me? |
| 21:42.01 | wols_ | aboyz: then they don't accept mail from you/your IP |
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| 21:42.07 | aboyz | i did a nslookup domainmame and it is showing |
| 21:42.08 | dkr | mayeb you spelled their name wrong. :) |
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| 21:42.23 | aboyz | dkr. no i triple checked |
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| 21:42.28 | wols_ | aboyz: it doesn't say the domainname is invalid but the username |
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| 21:42.39 | chops | jnguy: I'm not sure. Maybe apt-get respects the auto settings from aptitude (that would be the only sane way to do it) |
| 21:42.42 | wols_ | aboyz: from where are you sending? |
| 21:42.53 | kantor | jnguy, no, I just want to see the rovclock (overclock tool for radeon cards) effects |
| 21:42.56 | aboyz | sending it from work |
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| 21:43.20 | wols_ | aboyz: and that mail is rejected then? |
| 21:43.25 | aboyz | this is the excalt error i'm getting.. |
| 21:43.28 | aboyz | anyone know how to tell if a email address is valid? I'm getting a 550 5.1.1 Recipient address rejected: User unknown in relay recipient table. Is this on my side on on the recipient side? anyone know thanks.. |
| 21:43.32 | jnguy | ah. Nevermind then. compiz, fusion and beryl all come with bench marking stuff. |
| 21:43.53 | aboyz | it didn't say rejected |
| 21:43.55 | wols_ | aboyz: recipient side |
| 21:43.58 | wols_ | it is rejected |
| 21:44.07 | aboyz | wols. but why other can send to them |
| 21:44.08 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:44.18 | wols_ | I already told you, can' you read? |
| 21:44.20 | aboyz | wols are they rejecting me? |
| 21:44.47 | aboyz | they are rejecting my address? |
| 21:44.54 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.58 | wols_ | are you trying to relay? |
| 21:45.05 | aboyz | i'm not relaying |
| 21:45.09 | aboyz | i'm going thru rackspace |
| 21:45.16 | aboyz | i use rackspace email |
| 21:45.19 | wols_ | that's not an answer |
| 21:45.25 | aboyz | i'm not relaying |
| 21:45.44 | wols_ | what is the mail addy you send to and what is the server you try to send it to? |
| 21:45.49 | aboyz | let me try to use my gmail account and send it to that email address |
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| 21:46.40 | aarcane | Hello, I'd like to create a mirror of the debian mirrors (using apt-move I believe) and I'm curious.. How much disk space should I allocate, assuming I do not plan to have any of the desktop packages ? |
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| 21:48.20 | wols_ | aarcane: a full debian binaries archive needs 3DVDs right now |
| 21:49.12 | abrotman | better than spitting i suppose |
| 21:49.25 | abrotman | wols_: tha'ts just for one release and one architecture :) |
| 21:49.26 | nico | anyone owning a Treo? |
| 21:49.37 | abrotman | wols_: and binary only! |
| 21:49.51 | abrotman | aarcane: is there a reason you really want a mirror ? |
| 21:50.06 | aarcane | that's.. 8.4*3 *scribbles some notes on a piece of paper* 25.2 GIGABYTES of disk space... |
| 21:50.07 | wols_ | nico: polls make baby jesus cry |
| 21:50.12 | wols_ | and it might abrotman thwap you |
| 21:50.22 | abrotman | aarcane: no .. that's one architecture and one release .. |
| 21:50.22 | wols_ | aarcane: no |
| 21:50.43 | abrotman | aarcane: if you wanted oldstable/stable/testing/unstable and all 10-ish architectures .. and source .. |
| 21:51.03 | ma3x | lads whats your default iceweasel font |
| 21:51.19 | abrotman | aarcane: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/size |
| 21:51.21 | wols_ | ma3x: did you read what I just wrote about polls? |
| 21:51.22 | aarcane | abrotman, well, I'm working on setting up a small xen cluster now, but it's only 3-4 VMs, I'd like to be able to keep those up to date without hitting the inarwebs, as well as I'm considdering switching the other two physical machines in the house to Debian as well... |
| 21:51.26 | abrotman | aarcane: though you can do portions |
| 21:51.38 | ma3x | wols_, no what |
| 21:51.42 | abrotman | aarcane: you could use a proxy that caches packages for apt |
| 21:51.43 | wols_ | abrotman: apt-proxy |
| 21:51.51 | wols_ | aarcane: ^^ |
| 21:52.10 | abrotman | or apt-cacher ... or the other one i can't remember |
| 21:52.20 | aarcane | is there a gooood howto for apt-proxy someone can link me to ? |
| 21:52.26 | abrotman | approx |
| 21:52.27 | ma3x | wols_, just tell me what firefox font u use |
| 21:52.28 | abrotman | !apt-proxyt |
| 21:52.29 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 21:52.29 | dpkg | i guess apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher> |
| 21:53.01 | abrotman | aarcane: but basically .. once one of the machines requests a package .. the proxy will grab it and hold it until it "expires" |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | which is a time limit that oyu set |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | wols_: the whole thing |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.23 | abrotman | ouch ... |
| 21:53.30 | nico | just trying to figure out a way to play an mp3 as a ringtone without having it truncated after 1 second |
| 21:53.47 | abrotman | on debian? |
| 21:54.02 | nico | nope |
| 21:54.12 | wols_ | then wtf are you asking us? |
| 21:54.26 | nico | cause geeks love pda's |
| 21:54.34 | abrotman | does it run linux? |
| 21:54.47 | nico | i guess it could |
| 21:54.49 | wols_ | we love debian and have stupid people who don't comprehend that #debian isn't for non-debian questions |
| 21:54.51 | abrotman | there is a #treo |
| 21:54.59 | aarcane | how do I find out the name of the debian release I'm running currently ? |
| 21:55.02 | wols_ | s/have/hate |
| 21:55.08 | wols_ | !versuib |
| 21:55.10 | wols_ | !version |
| 21:55.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 21:55.12 | karsten | aarcane: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:55.32 | aarcane | 4.0 |
| 21:55.33 | nico | abrotman, i know, it's empty |
| 21:55.44 | abrotman | nico: that doesn't make this a dumping ground for questions |
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| 21:56.39 | aarcane | so I'd only want to have a mirror of etch (4.0) and only the x86 arch. |
| 21:56.44 | nico | why can't you simply ignore questions that do not interest you instead of going for personal attacks? |
| 21:56.54 | aarcane | so that would be like.. 16-25 Gigabytes ? |
| 21:56.55 | abrotman | nico: why can't you ask in the correct channel? |
| 21:57.05 | nico | i guess it's not that an impossible scenario that a linux user uses one |
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| 21:57.06 | wols_ | aarcane: yes |
| 21:57.14 | abrotman | aarcane: about 25GB .. yes .. but honestly .. apt-proxy seems a better bet |
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| 21:57.20 | nico | abrotman, because there's no such channel, otherwise i would have |
| 21:57.29 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 21:57.30 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:57.36 | abrotman | nico: so you just stopped in the first channel you found and asked a totally offtopic question ? |
| 21:57.46 | wols_ | nico: go go elsewhere please |
| 21:58.10 | aarcane | can I configure apt-proxy to automatically check for updates of the cached packages ? |
| 21:58.17 | abrotman | aarcane: if you use apt-proxy .. you'd only cache what you need .. instead of tons and tons of X stuff, etc .. |
| 21:58.21 | aarcane | the link isn't working |
| 21:58.23 | wols_ | aarcane: of course it does |
| 21:58.41 | nico | abrotman, as i said, i picked a channel with people *likely* to use one, even if it's not the main topic of the channel (since there is no populated channel whose main topic is that one) |
| 21:58.48 | abrotman | wols_: no .. he means .. can it automagically upgrade those packages in the cache |
| 21:58.49 | nico | i did not know i would run into integrists |
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| 21:59.02 | techouse | heys |
| 21:59.36 | aarcane | yes, I'd like the apt-proxy to automatically check for new releases of the packages which I've cached every few days. |
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| 21:59.41 | abrotman | nico: TBH .. i don't know anyone that uses a treo anymore |
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| 22:00.42 | abrotman | oh .. except maybe my dad :) |
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| 22:08.32 | k^^a | hello |
| 22:09.10 | DeFirence | #debian is empty tonight :| |
| 22:09.27 | jelly-home | DeFirence: is not empty, is SPOOKY |
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| 22:09.41 | DeFirence | lol |
| 22:09.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | zomg, quiet a whole 10 minutes!! |
| 22:09.56 | jelly-home | !penixstrike |
| 22:09.56 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 22:09.59 | k^^a | If somebody installed Debian ETCH onto thinClient EVO T20 ? |
| 22:10.08 | Nyle | rahul is around? |
| 22:10.13 | DeFirence | i got 2 pppoe connections working and routed on debian :D |
| 22:10.13 | Nyle | hm |
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| 22:12.08 | sineer | what's wrong my my ISP tonight! (Videotron) I can't reach most sites ie /. cnn.. but I have no prob with google and others. :( |
| 22:12.49 | obnauticus | Is there any way to have remote ssh logins with biometric hardware (eg. fingerprint scanners)? I want two-factor Password/Biometric authentication on remote SSH connections...is that possible? |
| 22:13.13 | fujin_ | I doubt it |
| 22:13.21 | streuner | Nyle: /msg dpkg debstats |
| 22:13.38 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 22:13.38 | dpkg | methinks debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 22:13.42 | sineer | obnauticus, sure its possible.. I mean I can think of many ways of doing it... but I don't know if there exist "packaged" solution for that atm... |
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| 22:14.15 | obnauticus | ya |
| 22:15.02 | Nyle | streuner: why am I looking here? |
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| 22:15.28 | streuner | Nyle: hm, did you find him there? |
| 22:15.41 | Nyle | he hasns't been around in a while it seems |
| 22:15.44 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 22:15.44 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian, last said: 'why can't you configure them how you want them?'. |
| 22:15.47 | Nyle | well hmm |
| 22:15.49 | Nyle | wtf |
| 22:15.52 | streuner | !win Nyle |
| 22:15.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, Nyle! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:16.07 | Nyle | streuner: ha ha? |
| 22:16.08 | shogunx | !pork |
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| 22:17.32 | Nyle | well that was a conv. killer |
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| 22:18.15 | streuner | Nyle: ask a debian related question ;-) |
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| 22:18.31 | Nyle | streuner: hows debian doing these days? |
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| 22:19.26 | streuner | Nyle: thats a pretty *wide* range to answer, be more specific! ;-) |
| 22:19.30 | jelly-home | same old, same old |
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| 22:19.39 | vn | that is offtopic but uh...I got bifteck sauce, do I put that on the bifteck before, during or after the cooking? |
| 22:20.05 | Nyle | vn: word. |
| 22:20.29 | ma3x | hey nyle whats your default firefox font |
| 22:20.32 | Nyle | !seen stoned |
| 22:20.32 | dpkg | stoned <n=stoned@pool-72-68-200-225.nycmny.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17d 23h 45m 22s ago, saying: 'whats going on with my irc connection?'. |
| 22:20.49 | vn | !win nyle |
| 22:20.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, nyle! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:20.56 | adlongwell | Debian sysadmin newbie question: If I need a package that's in testing... is it generally recommended to "run testing" (i.e. add the testing apt sources), or to just install that one package (and it's dependencies) from testing? |
| 22:21.07 | streuner | no |
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| 22:21.11 | Nyle | !backport |
| 22:21.11 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 22:21.21 | robboplus | hm how can i find out what is eating up my hd space? amount of free space in / is constantly going down every hour.. and i have no damn idea wtf is that |
| 22:21.22 | streuner | as clever admin you are running etch/stable |
| 22:21.30 | streuner | or you know what you doing |
| 22:21.46 | Nyle | every hour? |
| 22:21.55 | Nyle | that is severe |
| 22:21.56 | robboplus | Nyle well it's like every few mins actually |
| 22:22.01 | Nyle | whoah |
| 22:22.03 | streuner | adlongwell: backports or try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:22.05 | robboplus | 800 megs or more since last night |
| 22:22.11 | Nyle | I have no idea, but damn. |
| 22:22.17 | robboplus | yes, damn it. |
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| 22:22.34 | streuner | adlongwell: but keep in mind, backports and "simple sid backports" arent *SUPPORTED*... |
| 22:22.35 | robboplus | i have checked cron for some scripts or backups already |
| 22:23.19 | alaxK | i have intereesting question for you. How can I check the length of a video file while i am in console ? |
| 22:23.29 | robboplus | alaxK use du |
| 22:23.35 | robboplus | or even ls -la simply |
| 22:23.43 | alaxK | lemme try |
| 22:23.45 | adlongwell | streuner: do many people run testing in production? or are the labels (like "stable", "unstable") serious? |
| 22:23.45 | robboplus | but du -shm /dir is nice |
| 22:24.19 | streuner | adlongwell: as we said before, most people surely just run stable on a production server |
| 22:24.35 | streuner | less headaches |
| 22:24.38 | alaxK | ls-la shows only the size robboplus |
| 22:24.44 | alaxK | But i need length |
| 22:24.46 | adlongwell | streuner: thanks.. that's what I was looking for |
| 22:24.48 | alaxK | like 20:25 |
| 22:24.51 | alaxK | or 31:25 minutes |
| 22:25.05 | robboplus | alaxK length of a video file = size |
| 22:25.13 | robboplus | you wanted playtime then |
| 22:25.20 | Nyle | robboplus: no |
| 22:25.21 | alaxK | yes |
| 22:25.28 | alaxK | Sorry if you misunderstood |
| 22:25.37 | alaxK | How can i get playtime while in console ? |
| 22:25.41 | robboplus | hm not sure how to check the playtime, would like to know that as well |
| 22:25.45 | Nyle | filesize is not proportion to legnth |
| 22:26.01 | DeFirence | omg its hot here tonight :OOOO |
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| 22:26.11 | Nyle | so take off all your clothes |
| 22:26.19 | robboplus | Nyle i thought he meant filesize though |
| 22:26.36 | robboplus | DeFirence just shut down that pron you're watching lol |
| 22:26.42 | Nyle | HAHAHA |
| 22:26.48 | DeFirence | rofl |
| 22:26.50 | Nyle | good one |
| 22:26.51 | Nyle | solid burn |
| 22:26.56 | robboplus | thx ;) |
| 22:26.58 | DeFirence | and Nyle: im already down to my boxers :( |
| 22:27.12 | DeFirence | it feels like 40 degrees :O |
| 22:27.16 | robboplus | plus i'm sure he is naked already too lmao |
| 22:27.20 | DeFirence | and its 12:30AM |
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| 22:27.22 | Nyle | 40 degree C? |
| 22:27.35 | DeFirence | ye |
| 22:27.37 | DeFirence | it feels |
| 22:27.39 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 22:27.45 | Nyle | I'm freezing my nuts off here |
| 22:27.48 | DeFirence | its probably only like 30 or 25 |
| 22:27.51 | DeFirence | 35* |
| 22:27.53 | Nyle | I think we got like 40 or 50C |
| 22:27.55 | Nyle | er.. F |
| 22:27.59 | robboplus | Nyle so get some pr0n this time :) |
| 22:28.04 | Nyle | hehe |
| 22:28.04 | DeFirence | but its almost 1am :S |
| 22:28.10 | robboplus | you should learn dcc some day he he |
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| 22:28.18 | techouse | what app did you say is used to measure cpu temp. and speed? |
| 22:28.35 | streuner | lm-sensors |
| 22:28.38 | robboplus | and i'm sure that alaxK needs playtime of his pron collection as well ;) |
| 22:28.40 | techouse | ok |
| 22:28.56 | robboplus | what else could a debian admin store in video format :) |
| 22:29.17 | streuner | !info lm-sensors |
| 22:29.21 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:2.10.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 489 kB, Installed size: 1400 kB |
| 22:29.34 | robboplus | techouse i think it's a bit dangerous to use that |
| 22:29.49 | Nyle | 159G NTFS_500GiB/Prawn/ |
| 22:29.53 | Nyle | :D |
| 22:30.02 | robboplus | Nyle is that all asian? :p |
| 22:30.11 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 22:30.32 | Nyle | do people really need to know what temperature their stuff is running at |
| 22:30.41 | techouse | dangerous? |
| 22:30.42 | techouse | ok |
| 22:30.51 | techouse | ten i'll cancel it |
| 22:30.51 | streuner | sure, in desert its useful :-) |
| 22:30.56 | robboplus | techouse yes, it's easy to fry your mobo |
| 22:31.08 | Nyle | streuner: no I mean computers desktops etc. for home users |
| 22:31.13 | jelly-home | Nyle: in a server room with flaky AC, definitely |
| 22:31.13 | robboplus | techouse if you use that on a wrong or wrongly recognized sensor |
| 22:31.15 | Nyle | streuner: nevermind my grammar |
| 22:31.18 | streuner | Nyle: in sommertime, yeah |
| 22:31.23 | techouse | ok |
| 22:31.24 | alaxK | robboplus, haha. |
| 22:31.24 | Nyle | hmm |
| 22:31.29 | techouse | then no fun for me |
| 22:31.31 | techouse | :P |
| 22:31.36 | Nyle | deep fry the mobo |
| 22:31.38 | robboplus | techouse you need to just check fan speeds right? |
| 22:31.43 | adaro | hi , i am looking for a good "advanced" book on debian, what book would you all recommend ? |
| 22:31.49 | techouse | would cpuz+wine work? |
| 22:31.56 | Nyle | adaro: dunno, look on google |
| 22:31.57 | robboplus | techouse got something for that and it works cool in console, let me get you the name |
| 22:32.01 | Nyle | for amazon |
| 22:32.04 | Nyle | or* |
| 22:32.09 | techouse | no...all my fans are manually controlled |
| 22:32.20 | Nyle | mind control eh |
| 22:32.21 | techouse | i'd like to check the cpu temp. |
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| 22:32.30 | robboplus | techouse oh that works too |
| 22:32.40 | streuner | Nyle: my powersupply said ones "Hasta la vista, baby", i only could check that via lm-sensors... |
| 22:33.10 | Nyle | streuner: you know... psu tester cots 5 dollars |
| 22:33.30 | tuv | nautilus stopped showing thumbnails for x264 files. i have totem-xine and libxine1-ffmpeg installed, nevertheless totem wouldn't play these files. what am i missing? thumbnails used to show and now they don't |
| 22:33.33 | robboplus | techouse damn just can't remember the name.. but i use something cool for that task |
| 22:33.45 | techouse | :) |
| 22:33.48 | rcbarnes | How do I get rid of the login message about the licencing, etc. every time I log on? |
| 22:33.54 | streuner | Nyle: well, it did say nothing at all unusual... |
| 22:34.03 | rcbarnes | Or at least make it not take half a screen... |
| 22:34.15 | techouse | just open konsole and hit up multiple times...till you get it :) |
| 22:34.22 | Nyle | streuner: I didn't know you could communicate with power supplies :) |
| 22:34.23 | streuner | Nyle: to tell you the truth, surely i connect to the wrong wires ;-) |
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| 22:34.40 | streuner | s/connect/connected/ |
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| 22:34.47 | Nyle | that can happen |
| 22:35.01 | adaro | Nyle, i looked on google and found any number of books, i am just looking for recommendations |
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| 22:35.19 | Nyle | adaro: I can't help you |
| 22:35.20 | jelly-home | techouse: mbmon, if it works, is an easy way to look at the sensor numbers |
| 22:35.22 | Nyle | I've never owned one |
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| 22:35.57 | techouse | hell...cpu-z+wine won't work |
| 22:36.03 | robboplus | jelly-home yesyesyes that's the one |
| 22:36.05 | streuner | adaro: there are 2 which we found in the past |
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| 22:36.22 | robboplus | that's mbmon: |
| 22:36.22 | robboplus | Temp.= 39.0, 42.0, 35.5; Rot.= 3054, 0, 0 |
| 22:36.23 | robboplus | Vcore = 2.24, 0.82; Volt. = 3.34, 5.13, 11.55, -14.59, -4.09 |
| 22:36.31 | robboplus | you like it, techouse? |
| 22:36.37 | techouse | yeah |
| 22:36.40 | streuner | adaro: one from madduck and one from serveral DD's (which seems to be written for newbies) |
| 22:36.42 | adaro | there's the debian bible and the debian system |
| 22:36.46 | robboplus | you can configure in many ways too, of course |
| 22:37.10 | Nyle | why do you need a debian boo |
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| 22:37.12 | Nyle | boo |
| 22:37.14 | Nyle | book* |
| 22:37.23 | streuner | adaro: there are a few books in german too |
| 22:37.25 | maddash | i'm behind a firewall where all ports are closed except ssh and http/ftp; is there any way that I could sync my clock to a server? |
| 22:37.40 | Nyle | streuner: du hast |
| 22:37.43 | Nyle | ahahaha |
| 22:37.49 | Nyle | alrighty then. |
| 22:37.49 | techouse | where do i view the ram/cpu usage= |
| 22:37.51 | techouse | ? |
| 22:37.53 | streuner | Ramstein |
| 22:37.54 | adaro | streuner, how is the maddog one ? |
| 22:37.54 | techouse | in kde |
| 22:38.12 | adaro | its been released in 2005 |
| 22:38.13 | streuner | adaro: madduck is a expert in security |
| 22:38.16 | adaro | how current is it |
| 22:38.53 | streuner | adaro: no idea, its pretty new, but i didnt find the contents of it at amazon... |
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| 22:39.12 | jelly-home | ducks are not dogs! |
| 22:39.18 | wols_ | techouse: top |
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| 22:39.29 | adaro | you can browse the toc |
| 22:39.57 | maddash | yes, I am an expert in security |
| 22:40.21 | streuner | adaro: oh, you found the URL? |
| 22:40.24 | techouse | wols_: top? |
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| 22:40.59 | adaro | http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1593270690/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-9972136-9304741#reader-link |
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| 22:41.44 | maddash | arghhhhhhhh |
| 22:41.54 | maddash | ntpdate is bloccked |
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| 22:46.23 | streuner | adaro: if you become a DD, its surely interesting |
| 22:46.53 | adaro | whats a DD |
| 22:47.12 | streuner | Debian-Developer |
| 22:47.17 | dembug | tall order today, anyone know a good FTP GUI SSL client for debian X? |
| 22:47.19 | tarzeau | streuner: hey look RC bugs are blinking now: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bts/ |
| 22:47.25 | alaxK | my debian is balling |
| 22:47.29 | streuner | tarzeau: haha |
| 22:47.35 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 22:47.35 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
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| 22:47.50 | dembug | nice tip |
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| 22:47.55 | dembug | X11 enumeration rocks too |
| 22:48.16 | dembug | *emulation |
| 22:49.06 | dembug | <dembug> tall order today, anyone know a good FTP GUI SSL client for debian X? <-- thought not |
| 22:49.09 | dembug | lol |
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| 22:50.12 | wols_ | dembug: filezilla, gftp, etc |
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| 22:52.21 | abrotman | kind of like ... apt-cache search ftp ssl |
| 22:52.33 | wols_ | abrotman: too easy |
| 22:52.44 | abrotman | stop with the easy! |
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| 22:55.38 | streuner | adaro: its written for sysadmins |
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| 22:56.08 | jelly-home | so then 36DD is a lot of Debian developers in one place? |
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| 22:56.27 | streuner | jelly: heh? |
| 22:56.35 | adaro | streuner, i was hoping for that |
| 22:58.36 | jelly-home | streuner: it be US bra size, really big |
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| 23:01.20 | tuv | how do i pass 'make' options to 'debian/rules binary'? debian/rules uses ${MAKE} to compile, but i can't find where that is defined |
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| 23:02.02 | tuv | i'd like to use -j 2? |
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| 23:04.03 | abrotman | tuv: i wouldn't think that's a good idea |
| 23:04.20 | tuv | abrotman, the -j2? why? |
| 23:04.24 | abrotman | at least .. not in the rules file |
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| 23:05.21 | tuv | abrotman, i'd like to pass it as an option, like ./configure options are passed using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="" |
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| 23:06.04 | abrotman | tuv: not sure .. ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net .. if you find an answer .. i'd like to know |
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| 23:07.14 | abrotman | well .. that's my point .. in the rules file .. it would enforce it for everyone building the package .. which might not work well on slower systems |
| 23:07.22 | streuner | tuv: try #debian-devel (OFTC) they should know ;-) |
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| 23:07.33 | jelly-home | it's not everyone, it's only him and his system |
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| 23:09.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: in general .. it seems like a bad thing to do .. |
| 23:09.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: what if a DD uploaded a package to the buildd that just had '-j' ? |
| 23:09.53 | abrotman | but .. what do i know |
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| 23:10.00 | klys | !arabic |
| 23:10.01 | dpkg | well, arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ |
| 23:10.07 | jelly-home | sucks to be that dd, then |
| 23:10.14 | abrotman | sucks to be the buildd :) |
| 23:10.17 | klys | hmm, is there an arabic irc channel? |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | uhm .. yeah |
| 23:10.34 | streuner | !listvals arabic |
| 23:10.34 | abrotman | !ur |
| 23:10.34 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 23:10.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'arabic' by value (9): bahibak ;; moty66 ;; ur ;; ahlane wa sahlane ;; akka ;; arabic ;; assalamou alaikoum ;; marhaban bikoum ;; arabeyes. |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | if it's still active |
| 23:10.59 | streuner | !arabic |
| 23:10.59 | dpkg | it has been said that arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ |
| 23:11.04 | klys | jeeks |
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| 23:11.16 | abrotman | i ugess -ur is gone |
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| 23:11.20 | klys | ok |
| 23:11.49 | streuner | Urdu is arabic? |
| 23:12.00 | abrotman | sounds german! |
| 23:12.26 | streuner | abrotman: dont make me use of my fine dancehaka-smite for you! :-) |
| 23:12.42 | aarcane | so I'm planning to use debootstrap to make a domU, how can I modify a debootstrap script to perform xen specific modifications for me ? |
| 23:13.07 | jelly-home | dancewhatnow? |
| 23:13.08 | aarcane | and can I modify it to do things like set up hostnames and other things as well ? |
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| 23:13.37 | jelly-home | !firstboot |
| 23:13.42 | jelly-home | figures |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | preseeding maybe |
| 23:14.11 | jelly-home | preseeding is for debconf, innit |
| 23:14.24 | jelly-home | ISTR there was a .sh script |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | i'd think it's in the debootstrap docs |
| 23:16.20 | abrotman | aarcane: customize how ? |
| 23:17.03 | aarcane | well, I'd like to setup the host name, and remove TLS support, both of which are needed by xen |
| 23:18.17 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: the first you can just write out to /etc/hostname; no need to modify debootstrap |
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| 23:18.25 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: for the second, just install the libc6-xen packages |
| 23:18.59 | ringo999 | hi. is there any command to turn of the power on my notebook monitor, but keep the machine running? |
| 23:19.06 | wols_ | 00:12 -!- guk [i=chris@soloso[n=pitakill@189.140.230.162] has quit [Success] |
| 23:19.09 | dondelelcaro | (you can use --include to do that, or just chroot and apt-get install it) |
| 23:19.13 | aarcane | dondelelcaro, what I'd like to do is have debootstrap prompt me for the hostname and install the libc6-xen packages automatically |
| 23:19.56 | dondelelcaro | aarcane: so debootstrap --include libc6-xen etch target ; cat - > target/etc/hostname; done. |
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| 23:20.40 | aarcane | because I'm forgetful and will never remember to set the host name a week from now. |
| 23:20.56 | dondelelcaro | so make a wrapper |
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| 23:22.13 | aarcane | good idea |
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| 23:23.50 | stiv2k | wtf is this? |
| 23:23.53 | stiv2k | mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. Either use '-o nolocks' to keep locks local, or start statd. |
| 23:24.41 | abrotman | it's telling you |
| 23:24.49 | jelly-home | you forgot to /etc/init.d/nfs-common start, afair |
| 23:25.02 | stiv2k | jelly-home: i just tried it though |
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| 23:25.53 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 23:25.55 | stiv2k | jelly-home: i think the init script is broken or something because it's not starting |
| 23:27.29 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: do you have nfs-common installed? |
| 23:27.30 | stiv2k | jelly-home: what could it be? |
| 23:27.39 | klys | hey supaplex |
| 23:27.48 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: yes it's installed it used to work all the time but now it doesnt seem to be starting |
| 23:27.52 | drc | supaplex was a great game! |
| 23:28.08 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: then add set -x to the top of the init script, and try to start it again. |
| 23:28.55 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: interesting |
| 23:28.56 | TurboBee | what do i install with apt-get |
| 23:29.00 | TurboBee | to build packages |
| 23:29.05 | TurboBee | compile |
| 23:29.23 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: what am i looking for |
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| 23:29.40 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: what it's doing; if you don't see it, paste the output |
| 23:29.56 | dondelelcaro | TurboBee: build-essential and whatever else what you're compiling needs. |
| 23:30.35 | rubymonk | I have a script that has to use the command "chroot" at some point, but then entering the chroot env, the script stops... it only continues when I leave the chroot'ed env manually... Is there a work-around ? |
| 23:30.36 | Supaplex | drc: it still is :) |
| 23:30.42 | TurboBee | thank you! |
| 23:30.50 | Supaplex | klys: hi :) |
| 23:31.19 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/WHxn1U33.html |
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| 23:31.51 | dondelelcaro | rubymonk: chroot executes a single command (or the shell if none is given) in the chroot. |
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| 23:32.19 | rubymonk | dondelelcaro, Ok, so if I do chroot path mycommand it should work ? |
| 23:32.45 | dondelelcaro | rubymonk: it will execute mycommand; in the chroot. Whether that's actually waht you want, I don't know. |
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| 23:33.13 | magnusth | quick question on dpatch: how do I modify a patch that doesn't apply cleanly anymore? dpatch-edit-patch will only let me edit patches that apply cleanly :( |
| 23:33.54 | rubymonk | dondelelcaro, It is... Thanks :) |
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| 23:35.39 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: what version of nfs-common do you have installed? |
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| 23:40.13 | biopyte | hi, is there an estimation when xaralx will be released from the "sid-jail" and go into testing or is this not predictable? |
| 23:40.47 | abrotman | !why is xaralx not in testing |
| 23:40.47 | dpkg | xaralx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xaralx |
| 23:41.09 | biopyte | thank you |
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| 23:41.31 | chump | error: rc exited outside the expected code flow ::: can someone help me figureout what's wrong ? |
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| 23:43.14 | Blokk | acpi -V says "No support for device type: thermal" about my c2d running on 775Dual-VSTA (PT880 Pro/Ultra Chipset). What is wrong? |
| 23:43.57 | Blokk | kernel version 2.6.22-2-686 |
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| 23:45.05 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: ii nfs-common 1:1.1.1-4 NFS support files common to client and server |
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| 23:46.34 | ar7 | hi there, how can i install iplimit module to debian box? aptitude search does not find iplimit module... |
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| 23:47.53 | Tramp | chump: Check /etc/init.d/rc. There is a line at the beginning, reading "debug=echo" |
| 23:48.08 | abrotman | ar7: what are you trying to do ? |
| 23:50.53 | ar7 | abrotman: my aim is to limit the number of http connection.. somebody boils my server :) |
| 23:51.12 | OlaX | Blokk: your thermal sensor may not be acpi. Install package 'lm-sensors' and run 'sensors-detect'. |
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| 23:52.23 | Blokk | mainly I want speed step to work |
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| 23:52.51 | cluck | hello |
| 23:53.17 | abrotman | ar7: you can use iptables for that i think |
| 23:54.38 | chinasky | hello, i installed a new sata hd and rebuilded the kernel with the via module, whe i boot the system stops in "booting the kernel...loading, please wait"..thanks!! |
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| 23:57.05 | atz | if you have an install CD, perhaps you should try to boot from it |
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| 23:58.26 | ar7 | abrotman: yes. i use iptables. but it needs iplimit module for this. but i do not have it in standart kernel build. so my question is how can i install kernel modules? is it using by aptitude |
| 23:59.06 | abrotman | i don't see it in debian at all |
| 23:59.46 | ar7 | so should i build kernel and its modules from scratch? |
