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| 00:00.28 | node_6 | Flimzy: thanks for the info. testing out some things. I'm liking debian so far :) it's much more satisfactory to me than other distros |
| 00:00.51 | Flimzy | node_6: hope it works for ya |
| 00:00.58 | node_6 | I'm sure it will |
| 00:01.22 | node_6 | you'll probably see me back here as I stumble around and bang off the walls ... but I'll get it :) |
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| 00:01.47 | nn-away | abrotman, scinse debian installs programs so fast;;;; without compileing them like gentoo the systems get cluttered with un-needed packages etc. daemons ..... gentoo seemes to fix that for me but i don't want to just go all over to gentoo so is there a slution to getting ridof unused packages that i DONT want with out spending houres sorting everything out?? |
| 00:02.17 | abrotman | ACK! |
| 00:02.22 | abrotman | big question |
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| 00:02.50 | abrotman | nn-away: deborphan .. or use aptitude .. with aptitude .. when stuff isn't used anymore .. it should be removed automagically |
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| 00:03.59 | dererk | aptitude rocks :) |
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| 00:05.52 | node_6 | ... turns out ati drivers need libstdc++.so.5 ... I'm guessing I can solve that with apt-get install [something] ? |
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| 00:06.04 | odla | node_6: yup |
| 00:06.06 | node_6 | gcc3? |
| 00:06.08 | nn-away | abrotman, I think the debian kernal is a-little excesive and usually is not new out of the box compiled is there away to refine the debian kernal to some fast built-in essentualls for lets say a small webserver so it boots at extream speed and won't use all that excess? |
| 00:06.37 | odla | node_6: libstdc++5 |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | nn-away: don't mess with it |
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| 00:07.30 | abrotman | how often do you boot your webserver anyways ? |
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| 00:07.40 | node_6 | odla: in your opinion, would it be better to rebuild the ati drivers using the system's gcc and libc? |
| 00:07.44 | nn-away | abrotman ok then gentoo's the way to go for my webserver |
| 00:08.00 | odla | node_6: no idea ... i use intel ... ask abrotman |
| 00:08.03 | abrotman | nn-away: whatever you think .. you can build a kernel in debian ... but there's no point |
| 00:08.11 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 00:08.11 | dpkg | i guess fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 00:08.25 | nn-away | well i just want it to run somting simple ( no more than needed ) |
| 00:08.27 | abrotman | nn-away: debian is not gentoo .. if you want gentoo .. go to #gentoo |
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| 00:08.43 | odla | vroom vroom |
| 00:08.50 | abrotman | nn-away: if you want to abuse your system .. go to #gentoo .. if you want to actually use it .. debian |
| 00:08.58 | odla | he he he |
| 00:09.05 | node_6 | I don't like gentoo either |
| 00:09.39 | odla | !gentoosmite node_6 |
| 00:10.02 | node_6 | yup |
| 00:10.06 | odla | :) |
| 00:10.17 | node_6 | no faster but a much bigger headache |
| 00:10.34 | node_6 | out to try ati drivers again |
| 00:13.40 | Flimzy | I cannot get iptables -j LOG to actually log anything. I suspect this is related to the fact that I don't have a physical hard disk, and root is running on a ramdisk, and this somehow confuses something about the way the kernel logs things... heh... Does anyone have any wild suggestion for how I could get kernel logs to actually be logged? |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | does it log other stuff ? |
| 00:13.59 | nn-away | abrotman, ever try gentoo when you get every thing working the way you want it runs faster because all the code is optimized for your processer. I always had trubble with nvidia and debian it seemed so easy in gentoo. on top of that i got beryl Woring in gentoo !!!! and i also managed to get my joystick module built into the kernel which meens it finally works !!! although the gentoo games grupe and immagemagic no |
| 00:13.59 | nn-away | t finding it converter libarys have made me fustrated! i guess all systems have there ups and downs. |
| 00:14.21 | abrotman | nn-away: good for you .. now go to #gentoo .. have fun |
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| 00:16.37 | nn-away | but i still need you to answer me is there any way to compile a VERRY small debian kernel ;; my pentioum 1 sound server cant handel mutch mem usage and packages install ( Barely ) compileing is not an option any suggestions????? |
| 00:17.52 | abrotman | it's not really going to fix the issue |
| 00:18.04 | abrotman | !tell nn-away about kp |
| 00:18.37 | nn-away | kp?? |
| 00:19.05 | nn-away | ok... |
| 00:19.27 | abrotman | node_6: can't irc as root here |
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| 00:23.29 | AreidY | Hi! MEncoder produces a 0byte output file under Linux, on Win it works fine. http://pastebin.com/d277c74d8 I have no clue what to do. That MEncoder cant load the font shouldnt be a problem [1. works with the same Error under win & 2. There are no subtitles in the input file]. Has anyone an idea what to do? |
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| 00:25.01 | obx | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 < my problem ist, wenn i make opendir(D,"path"); foreach my $f (readdir(D)) { print "$f\n"; } closedir(D); why prints first the directory and files mixed, on my other webserver, is listing first .. . directory ... > someone know my problem? |
| 00:25.23 | obx | s/wenn/when/ |
| 00:25.45 | node_6 | bah. I need to switch wm's. gnome's not for me, I'm not a mouse person |
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| 00:29.17 | abrotman | obx: uhm .. that's how it's supposed to work |
| 00:30.51 | obx | what? |
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| 00:31.58 | diafic | sleep now |
| 00:32.02 | diafic | night! |
| 00:32.38 | abrotman | obx: go to the same directory and ls -a |
| 00:32.53 | obx | i have installed a apache2 server with debian and one server gentoo and apache2. i use the self script on the servers. but on the debian server, listing the file and directory mixed, on gentoo server not, why? |
| 00:33.15 | obx | s/self/same |
| 00:33.24 | obx | sorry, my english is bad. |
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| 00:33.32 | rsk | hey what |
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| 00:33.39 | Agrajag- | obx: i'm pretty sure readdir gives yout he files in order they're stored on the filesystem |
| 00:33.50 | rsk | 's the prefered way to upgrade from stable > unstable |
| 00:33.59 | Agrajag- | obx: so it's up to you to sort them however you want |
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| 00:34.03 | rsk | just change in sources.list dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:34.37 | obx | Agrajag-: but why iam musst sort this on a debian server and on a gentoo server not? |
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| 00:35.04 | Agrajag- | obx: chance. |
| 00:35.18 | obx | chance? |
| 00:35.31 | Agrajag- | obx: readdir doesn't sort them for you, so it's just luck that you get them the way you want on your gentoo box |
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| 00:36.20 | obx | okay, but this sucks realy. |
| 00:36.24 | dondelelcaro | (or you happened to write them to the directory in order) |
| 00:36.37 | dondelelcaro | obx: not really; if you want them in some order, use sort. |
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| 00:37.06 | obx | yes, but this sucks, why i musst use sort on debian and gentoo not? |
| 00:37.31 | obx | all my php files or perl files working nice, and shows the directory and files right. |
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| 00:37.40 | Agrajag- | obx: you *do* have to use it on gentoo. it's just by chance that you're seeing them in the order you want on the gentoo box |
| 00:37.52 | node_6 | how do I pull in unstable packages? (like madwifi-unstable) |
| 00:38.02 | obx | mom, i musst translate it, |
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| 00:38.17 | Agrajag- | obx: readdir() does _not_ give you the files in any order. you must sort it yourself |
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| 00:39.10 | obx | i don't think so, but okay. thx. |
| 00:39.24 | Agrajag- | obx: have you read the documentation? why don't you think so? |
| 00:39.49 | obx | on other server works fine too, only on my server |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | obx: ask #perl |
| 00:40.15 | obx | thats nothing todo with perl |
| 00:40.16 | dondelelcaro | obx: that's probably just because you happened to write the files to that directory in order |
| 00:40.28 | dondelelcaro | obx: and yes, it's everything to do with perl and the system readdir command. |
| 00:40.29 | obx | with a php script dont work too |
| 00:40.44 | Agrajag- | obx: it _is_ to do with perl. perl's readdir() does _not_ say it's going to sort them for you, i don't know why you insist that it should |
| 00:40.44 | dondelelcaro | none of them are guaranteed to be sorted in any particular order |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | perhaps it's a difference in a system library |
| 00:41.02 | abrotman | if you want them sorted .. make your code sort them |
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| 00:41.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: possible, but readdir(3) doesn't guarantee any sorting |
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| 00:41.27 | abrotman | that's why i'm saying to have the code do it .. don't rely on the OS doing it |
| 00:41.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: right |
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| 00:42.02 | obx | but why is diffrent, on debian and gentoo, i dont understand this.. |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | because they are different operating systems |
| 00:42.15 | dondelelcaro | obx: are you comparing it using exactly the same filesystem? |
| 00:42.38 | dondelelcaro | obx: or are you comparing the results of one machine running gentoo and another running Debian? |
| 00:42.40 | obx | hm, i don't know. |
| 00:42.47 | Azar | obx: think of debian as a different OS.. |
| 00:42.48 | obx | yes |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | obx: and it's possible they have different patches for different system commands |
| 00:43.14 | dondelelcaro | obx: in that case, it's almost certainly because they're written to the dirent structure in a different order on the Debian machine |
| 00:43.22 | Agrajag- | obx: because readdir() doesn't sort, it can give it to you any way it likes - it just happens that on gentoo it's giving it the way you want. one day on the gentoo box it might not give it the way you want, you don't know. you _have_ to sort it yourself. |
| 00:43.43 | abrotman | he doesn't have to .. he'd be smart to |
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| 00:44.06 | obx | okay, i write a sort script.. |
| 00:44.11 | obx | thanks anyway |
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| 00:45.39 | misfitx7 | would any of you be able to tell me or point me in some direction toward finding out why my cpu fan turns off after my kernel has loaded |
| 00:46.01 | MikeG | obx: I don't think that was a "thanks anyway". They told you why the behavior was why it was and then told you how to fix it. |
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| 00:46.45 | MikeG | s/why it was/how it was |
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| 00:48.28 | dondelelcaro | misfitx7: is this a laptop? should the fan be on? |
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| 00:49.20 | misfitx7 | its a desktop, and the fan should be on |
| 00:49.23 | Toad | Is it possible that the umask of the user I used to build a deb can affect the permissions with which the files in taht deb get installed? |
| 00:50.07 | Toad | I just built git-core from the backports source package, and when I installed the deb, some stuff ended up owned by root.root 600 |
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| 00:51.54 | |porta| | Are there any other good links to read to explain to a newbie how to use linux? |
| 00:52.02 | rsk | many |
| 00:52.08 | rsk | what do you want to know? |
| 00:52.15 | dondelelcaro | Toad: yes, but most packages specifically specify the mode |
| 00:52.22 | dondelelcaro | Toad: so it shouldn't matter. |
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| 00:52.50 | |porta| | I have a wifi that dosn't work.. it worked with ndiswrapper and the bcm43xx dosn't like it. How can I load a driver? How do I remote loging? :-) |
| 00:52.53 | Toad | dondelelcaro: hmm, that's what I thought... but not sure how else /usr/share/git-core/templates/description ended up with mode 600 |
| 00:53.23 | Azar | damn now howtoforge site is killing my browser.. damn browser bombs |
| 00:53.26 | Toad | trying to rebuild now with a less restrictive umask and see |
| 00:53.27 | Flimzy | abrotman: Sorry, stepped away. Re: my logging issue, it seems to log otherstuff, just not *kernel* stuff |
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| 00:55.20 | Sisk | Anyone know how to get xpdf to print? I'm trying to do it with the command 'lpr -P Printer', but it's not working. |
| 00:56.01 | |porta| | I'm stuck on the ms windows mentallity and am trying to get away from it. |
| 00:56.18 | phogg | |porta|: only time can fix that |
| 00:56.27 | phogg | Time and Total Immersion |
| 00:56.44 | jafo | We have a system that requires a driver from 2.6.19 to install. Can't seem to find information on making an Etch install CD with a newer kernel. Is there a document about creating an install CD with a custom kernel for the install (meaning, in the initrd, right?)? |
| 00:56.46 | Azar | yee! fixed it, unchecked "load images" in firefox and no more kills |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | !tell jafo about kmuto |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | !tell jafo about custom netinst |
| 00:57.17 | |porta| | I switch 4 computers over and only have xp as a vm.. and havn't used it.. I'm keeping it for school.... |
| 00:57.18 | phogg | |porta|: the problem with "How to use Linux" articles is that 'Linux' is such a broad surface you cannot possibly cover it. |
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| 00:58.03 | |porta| | How can I find the how to install drivers... generic... I guess a how to install any driver. |
| 00:58.10 | phogg | |porta|: remote logging can be done with syslog. man syslog and do a bit of googling |
| 00:58.15 | node_6 | nite all :) |
| 00:58.20 | phogg | |porta|: drivers == kernel modules, most of the time |
| 00:58.20 | |porta| | ok |
| 00:58.26 | |porta| | ?? |
| 00:58.42 | |porta| | the item.. bcm43xx is it the driver? |
| 00:58.59 | phogg | |porta|: modprobe does the actual loading. man modprobe and see its SEE ALSO section |
| 00:59.01 | |porta| | or is it a dependancy which goes with a driver? |
| 00:59.06 | |porta| | ok |
| 00:59.10 | phogg | |porta|: it is the driver, |
| 00:59.24 | |porta| | are dependancy's help files... .like dll's in windows? |
| 00:59.30 | phogg | |porta|: bcm43xx.ko, specifically, is a kernel objectfile |
| 00:59.38 | |porta| | ?? |
| 00:59.46 | |porta| | how does that relate to the driver? |
| 00:59.55 | |porta| | that is what is loaded by the install for my wifi |
| 01:00.03 | |porta| | I was using the xp driver and ndiswrapper. |
| 01:00.14 | phogg | |porta|: a DLL is a linkable library, as is a .so (shared objectfile). The kernel's .ko files are similar, but for kernel 'libraries' only. |
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| 01:00.37 | |porta| | ok I sorta understand |
| 01:00.42 | phogg | |porta|: I've no idea how ndiswrapper relates to anything. |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 01:00.53 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 01:01.12 | |porta| | it makes the xp driver become usable in linux.... then modprobe ndiswrapper makes a name and it works... |
| 01:01.16 | |porta| | that is all I understand of it. |
| 01:01.18 | CowboyCoder | Does anyone know how to pin SCSI devices to a specific /dev/sdX device? I have 3 scsi controllers and the installer has them in a different order than the system does when it boots |
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| 01:03.39 | phogg | |porta|: I know what ndiswrapper is, I do not know how it works |
| 01:03.56 | Sisk | Simply put, from what I've heard, it doesn't. |
| 01:03.58 | |porta| | ok :-) I only know it works.. |
| 01:04.07 | phogg | CowboyCoder: udev magic? |
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| 01:04.38 | sdubois92 | How do i configure SSH |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | to do what ? |
| 01:05.25 | sdubois92 | so i can log into my machine remotely |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | install openssh-server |
| 01:06.07 | |porta| | abrotman: apenssh-server would that be on the system being loged into? |
| 01:06.20 | abrotman | i think that's what he wants |
| 01:06.24 | sdubois92 | yes |
| 01:06.43 | CowboyCoder | phogg: thanks, looks like udev rules should do the trick |
| 01:06.47 | sdubois92 | kinda off topic, but why do i need the put my debian CD in to install some packages? |
| 01:06.55 | |porta| | would I install just ssh on to the system using to log into the other copmuter? |
| 01:07.07 | abrotman | sdubois92: comment out the CD sources .. and run aptitude update |
| 01:07.25 | sdubois92 | ah |
| 01:07.26 | sdubois92 | ok |
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| 01:07.47 | sdubois92 | where is sources.list again? |
| 01:08.10 | Azar | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:08.53 | Azar | meh no shit, now denyhosts is called blockhosts in etch |
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| 01:09.48 | sdubois92 | how would i copy a file or folder from my SSH server to my SSH client computer? |
| 01:10.44 | CowboyCoder | sdubois92:assuming both client and server are linux, and you know the complete path to the remote file, you can use scp |
| 01:11.03 | sdubois92 | client is a mac |
| 01:11.04 | CowboyCoder | sdubois92: ie.... scp username@remoteserver:/path/to/file/filename ./ |
| 01:11.14 | mike1o | sdubois92, scp /my/file username@remote.ip:/remote/path |
| 01:11.18 | CowboyCoder | sdubois92:should still work fine |
| 01:11.26 | sdubois92 | ok |
| 01:11.55 | mike1o | -r for directories sdubois92 |
| 01:12.30 | mike1o | does antone use a pinnacle dvb-t stick by any chance? |
| 01:12.38 | mike1o | *anyone |
| 01:13.23 | karsten | !anyone |
| 01:13.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 01:20.29 | rmaj | how to reset mysql root password withoput the previous one? |
| 01:20.48 | kpearce | so, I've got a debian machine with a wireless connection, and a mac that needs to share that connection. No security is necessary; everything inside the wireless router is trusted. I did modprobe ip_tables, then sent a "1" to each of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr, then set the iptables policy for all three default tables to ACCEPT |
| 01:20.58 | kpearce | what else do I need to do to make it work? |
| 01:21.06 | kpearce | (the mac is configured to use the debian box as a gateway) |
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| 01:22.39 | tweakism | A file I added to modprobe.d has no effect at boot time. works after boot. how come? |
| 01:22.44 | tweakism | remade initrd. |
| 01:23.18 | kpearce | rmaj, your bootloader (lilo or grub) has a command to start in runlevel 1 (single-user mode). I don't remember what that command is. From there you can use the passwd command to change your password |
| 01:23.27 | kpearce | check the bootloader documentation |
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| 01:23.56 | tweakism | rmayorga: add the word single to the linux command line to boot in single user mode. |
| 01:24.18 | tweakism | rmayorga: at the lilo prompt <kernel name> single, or from grub, e the entry, e the kernel line, and add single. |
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| 01:24.34 | tweakism | rmayorga: I think you will still need the root passwd to boot in single mode in debian. |
| 01:25.00 | tweakism | rmayorga: if you don't have that, you'll have to boot a rescue cd or livecd, mount /, and edit /etc/passwd / /etc/shadow |
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| 01:25.24 | kpearce | you shouldn't need the root password, unless you've got a boot loader or bios password set. It's not set by default with lilo |
| 01:25.35 | kpearce | (at least, it's not set on my machine) |
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| 01:26.00 | tweakism | kpearce: so the boot scripts don't demand root passwd in debian before it gives you a single user shell? |
| 01:26.05 | rmaj | kpearce: uhm cool.. but I wanted the mysql's root ;) |
| 01:26.07 | rmaj | thanx though |
| 01:26.16 | kpearce | rmaj, o sorry |
| 01:26.24 | tweakism | rmaj: that's just a google search away, you use the mysqladmin command |
| 01:26.24 | kpearce | I do know how to do that |
| 01:26.26 | rmaj | aha ok |
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| 01:26.38 | kpearce | you can start mysql with the option --skip-grant-tables and manually change it in the grant table |
| 01:26.53 | kpearce | there is another way that is supposed to be "safer" but it's more complicated |
| 01:27.36 | dondelelcaro | !listvals grant-tables |
| 01:27.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'grant-tables' by value (1): forgot mysql root password. |
| 01:27.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell rmaj -about forgot mysql root password |
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| 01:28.44 | kpearce | ok, so does anyone know what I missed in my iptables configuration (scroll up)? |
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| 01:29.40 | tweakism | kpearce: wasn't here, but if you paste relevant stuff to dpaste.com I'll look at it |
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| 01:31.07 | kpearce | it's there (not the exact list of commands, just the rather long description I earlier put here) |
| 01:31.16 | kpearce | if you want the exact sequence of commands I can give you that too |
| 01:31.35 | tweakism | kpearce: that would be helpful, and you have to give me the link. there's no way to search dpaste |
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| 01:33.19 | kpearce | o, sorry. Let me say again what I am trying to do, and then I'll post my sequence of commands. I just want my debian box to share wireless with a mac (that is, debian has a wireless card and a wired card, mac only has wired). It's behind a trusted firewall, so no security required. |
| 01:34.28 | tweakism | oh. so using hostap, or adhoc? |
| 01:34.41 | kpearce | http://dpaste.com/21389/ |
| 01:34.44 | tweakism | can debian and mac communicate with each other? |
| 01:34.51 | kpearce | yes, they can talk to each other |
| 01:34.54 | tweakism | ok |
| 01:35.01 | kpearce | they are just using wired ethernet with static ip between the two of them |
| 01:35.08 | kpearce | then wireless out to the rest of the lan |
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| 01:35.34 | kpearce | debian is also properly connected to the lan (I'm using it right now) |
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| 01:36.01 | kpearce | and the debian box is set as the "router" in the mac network configuration dialog |
| 01:36.14 | tweakism | hrm. |
| 01:36.30 | tweakism | the easiest thing to do would be use NAT on the debian box so that mac is on another subnet. |
| 01:36.35 | tweakism | otherwise you'll need static routes everywhere |
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| 01:36.59 | kpearce | so, the wired is on 192.168.0.*, and wireless is 192.168.1.* |
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| 01:37.11 | kpearce | that requires nat? |
| 01:37.12 | tweakism | and only debian and mac are on wired? |
| 01:37.15 | kpearce | yes |
| 01:37.32 | tweakism | well, no, you could avoid NAT in this scenario. |
| 01:37.45 | kpearce | that's what I thought (I had it working a month ago, then my hard drive crashed) |
| 01:38.01 | tweakism | although it should just work then, as long as debian has routes to both networks, which it should. |
| 01:38.02 | freeone3000 | Anyone know the last good version of xserver-xorg to work with nvidia binary drivers? (Unstable) |
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| 01:38.37 | kpearce | well, debian can talk to both networks |
| 01:38.45 | kpearce | at the same time |
| 01:38.55 | kpearce | so presumably its got the correct routes. It's just the mac that can't get through |
| 01:38.56 | tweakism | kpearce: so from mac you can ping debian but not ping debian's default gateway? |
| 01:38.58 | DeathGauge | how do I make debian quit opening new windows everytime I click a directory? I'm tired of having to close 20 or 30 windows because of it |
| 01:39.06 | kpearce | tweakism: that's correct |
| 01:39.07 | freeone3000 | DeathGauge: What's your desktop environment? |
| 01:39.15 | DeathGauge | Gnome |
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| 01:39.59 | tweakism | kpearce: interesting. does /sbin/iptables -L show any rules that might interfere w/ the policy? |
| 01:40.22 | kpearce | no, there are no rules in iptables -L at all. |
| 01:40.47 | tweakism | kpearce: oh, in debian's default gateway, you'll need to set a route for 192.168.0.0/24 via debian |
| 01:41.02 | kpearce | what's that, and how do I do it? |
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| 01:41.08 | tweakism | kpearce: or else packets from or src-via debian's df gw won't know how to get to 192.168.0.0 |
| 01:41.19 | kpearce | o, I see what you mean |
| 01:41.34 | kpearce | I need to use nat then (I'm dealing with a not very smart hardware firewall/router) |
| 01:41.44 | tweakism | chances are you can avoid it. |
| 01:41.48 | kpearce | how? |
| 01:41.54 | tweakism | most consumer routers allow basic static routes like that. |
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| 01:41.56 | tweakism | what brand is it? |
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| 01:42.04 | kpearce | umm... let me check |
| 01:42.12 | tweakism | and of course, can you log into it |
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| 01:42.41 | kpearce | netgear |
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| 01:43.08 | tweakism | hrm. well there should be an option somewhere in its interface to set a static route. |
| 01:43.23 | kpearce | I can't log in to it myself (I don't have the password), but I can get settings changed if needed. |
| 01:43.34 | tweakism | well if you don't want to wait for that, you can use nat |
| 01:43.57 | kpearce | ok, I think I can figure out how to do either of those things myself. Thanks. Right now I need to go. |
| 01:44.08 | tweakism | if it were me, I think I'd set a second 192.168.1.0 addr on debian, and forward it both ways to mac. that way you can easily access the mac from the wireless lan |
| 01:44.20 | dakoo | someone here helped or answered a questions for me about configuring lpt ports, anyone know who it was? |
| 01:44.56 | karsten | dakoo: Alternatively, just re-ask the question. |
| 01:45.09 | tonsofpcs | thanks whoever helped earlier, it seems to be more stable now... will find out in a few days if that fsck fscking fixed it :) |
| 01:45.21 | dakoo | karsten: thats the problem, i need to correct them, not ask the question, because that person was a dumbass |
| 01:45.52 | karsten | dakoo: I see you talking to tls_81 in scrollback. |
| 01:46.05 | karsten | dakoo: ... though not WRT lpt. |
| 01:46.20 | karsten | lastlog -file foo lpt |
| 01:46.24 | dakoo | karsten: oh tls_81 was about hd issues |
| 01:46.27 | karsten | doh! |
| 01:46.29 | dakoo | this was yesterady |
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| 01:47.01 | brianski | what's the tool to set up software raid on linux these days? is it still md ? |
| 01:47.06 | karsten | dakoo: No idea. |
| 01:47.12 | karsten | brianski: mdadm |
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| 01:47.44 | karsten | brianski: Read: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 01:47.45 | brianski | karsten: thanks |
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| 01:47.54 | karsten | brianski: I'm sorta getting up to speed on it myself. |
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| 01:48.01 | dakoo | raidtools is old, use mdadm |
| 01:48.08 | brianski | karsten: yeah howto's always scare me because they are usually so far out of date |
| 01:48.41 | karsten | brianski: Between this and the manpage, I'm doing OK so far. |
| 01:48.59 | karsten | brianski: sorta shooting blind though. And this will be a production Oracle server.... |
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| 01:50.12 | brianski | karsten: eek - get yourself a real hardware raid card :) |
| 01:50.50 | karsten | brianski: I'm doing SW RAID rather than either LVM or HW RAID for flexibility and simplicity. I can RAID three whole devices (RAID5), while splitting the other two among five filesystems (including swap): /, orasys, and /tmp (RAID1), swap (two partitions, one each disk), and /backup (striped). |
| 01:51.02 | karsten | brianski: I've got one. It only handles whole disk. |
| 01:51.11 | karsten | brianski: ... best I can tell. I need to subdivide. |
| 01:51.33 | tweakism | karsten: swraid rocks, especially/only linux swraid. if you're like me, you can't afford a hwraid card that offers any benefits over swraid |
| 01:51.39 | karsten | brianski: I *could* have sliced that last bit to one RAID1 and one RAID0, but I don't have enough devices to make it happen. |
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| 01:51.57 | junix-other | where can i find a good article to setup ssh+PAM? |
| 01:52.02 | tweakism | cheap hwraid is much shittier than swraid |
| 01:52.08 | karsten | tweakism: Oh, I suspect we can afford the HW RAID cards here ;-) |
| 01:52.22 | Azar | junix-other: you mean deny or block hosts? |
| 01:52.34 | junix-other | Azar: yep |
| 01:52.37 | karsten | Sh*t. battery death... |
| 01:52.50 | Azar | junix-other: sarge has denyhosts, etch got blockhosts.. which one? |
| 01:53.13 | junix-other | etch |
| 01:53.18 | junix-other | i want to setup pam on etch |
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| 01:53.47 | Wyzard | junix-other: SSH already uses PAM |
| 01:53.48 | Azar | junix-other: http://www.howtoforge.com/blockhosts_debian_etch |
| 01:54.12 | junix-other | oh ok |
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| 01:55.53 | junix-other | Wyzard: do all services on debian etch go through pam?? |
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| 01:56.07 | Meaw | hello my /root device used 93% of the space.. but it has 2 files only.. /root/ 15k and /root/.ssh 2k |
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| 01:56.33 | IndyGunFreak | what version of Debian is deb-ice based on? |
| 01:56.45 | brianski | karsten: hmm this howto is talking about /etc/raidtab and a command calle dmkraid, neither of which i have |
| 01:57.44 | Meaw | the partition size is 300 mb , 273 mb used.. how come? |
| 01:57.57 | Meaw | only got 2 small files in /root |
| 02:00.22 | IndyGunFreak | what version of Debian is deb-ice based on? |
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| 02:05.51 | abrotman | IndyGunFreak: ask them |
| 02:06.04 | IndyGunFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | their website? mailing list? irc channel ? |
| 02:06.34 | IndyGunFreak | a search didn't really turn up any of the above, |
| 02:06.39 | IndyGunFreak | but its no big deal, i'll figure it out. |
| 02:07.36 | jelly-home | in general, debian people can't (and don't) know everything about every product using debian. you have to ask the manufacturer |
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| 02:08.30 | junix-other | Azar: to improve security, would i want to setup Kerberos? |
| 02:08.37 | karsten | brianski: That's old school. |
| 02:08.37 | jelly-home | Meaw: deleted but still open files can be one cause. lsof -n | grep deleted |
| 02:08.44 | karsten | brianski: mdadm and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 02:08.53 | karsten | brianski: Most of which you don't need to mess with, I think |
| 02:09.16 | karsten | brianski: See section 5 of the HOWTO. That's what I'm working with. |
| 02:09.26 | Meaw | jelly-home, gconfd-2 26834 dm 11wW REG 3,5 602 45989 /tmp/gconfd-dm/lock/0t1191395789ut43499u1000p26834r1397410947k3219543304 (deleted) |
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| 02:10.42 | karsten | brianski: So, I'm building up a system for use at work, booted Knoppix ATM, will run RHEL4 when I'm done. Sort of a screwball install approach. |
| 02:11.12 | jelly-home | Meaw: first, you need to run lsof as root. second, only look for entries that are actually on the relevant filesystem |
| 02:11.36 | Meaw | I ran it on root |
| 02:12.55 | jelly-home | Meaw: it's a bit unusual setup to have a separate filesystem just for /root, why did you do it? |
| 02:12.57 | Meaw | relevant filesystem? I didn't get what you mean |
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| 02:13.52 | Meaw | I have 7 partitions.. just want to seperate my files. |
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| 02:14.41 | jelly-home | Meaw: do you really have a separate partition just for /root? df /root | tail -1 |
| 02:14.50 | IndyGunFreak | its based on Debian Etch, in case you all wanted to know. |
| 02:14.57 | IndyGunFreak | which is perfect |
| 02:15.10 | Meaw | /dev/hda3 279999 248427 17114 94% / |
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| 02:16.01 | jelly-home | Meaw: see the last word on the line? That's the mount point. This is your root filesystem. It begins at /, not /root. |
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| 02:16.17 | junix-other | where can i find the login.conf? |
| 02:16.35 | karsten | junix-other: Pardon? |
| 02:16.47 | freeone3000 | What's the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy? |
| 02:17.11 | junix-other | i'm looking fo the login.conf file to look at the Challenge/Response settings |
| 02:17.15 | karsten | freeone3000: -legacy |
| 02:17.42 | jelly-home | Meaw: du command with the option to only look on one file system will show you what is really on it. read man du, and try something like du -kx / |
| 02:17.44 | freeone3000 | karsten: ..seriously? |
| 02:17.49 | Wyzard | freeone3000: The legacy driver is for older cards |
| 02:18.01 | karsten | junix-other: For what login methods / protocols? I suspect you want to see /etc/security/access.conf |
| 02:18.16 | karsten | freeone3000: Well, typographically at least. |
| 02:18.35 | junix-other | i'm looking at he man pages for ssh under ChallengeResponseAuthentication |
| 02:18.41 | karsten | freeone3000: Suggest you look at the package descriptions. I suspect the -legacy package is older or supports older HW. |
| 02:18.41 | junix-other | its telling me to look at the login.conf |
| 02:18.48 | junix-other | is that the same or equiv file? |
| 02:18.56 | karsten | junix-other: Ah. One sec. |
| 02:19.03 | junix-other | thank you |
| 02:19.21 | freeone3000 | Wyzard: Would a 5200 FX fall in that catagory? Because I'm thinking about just getting -legacy because nvidia-glx can't install nvidia-kernel-100.18.19 |
| 02:19.22 | jelly-home | Meaw: If I had to guess, I'd say you don't have a separate partition for /tmp |
| 02:19.44 | Wyzard | freeone3000: dunno offhand... but the install procedure for the legacy driver is basically the same as for the regular one |
| 02:19.55 | Wyzard | freeone3000: What do you mean it "can't install" the module? |
| 02:20.17 | Meaw | jelly-home, I think i have separate partition for /tmp |
| 02:20.30 | karsten | junix-other: OpenSSH is developed by the OpenBSD team. You might want to see what *their* login.conf(5) manpage looks like seeing as I'm not finding one for Debian. |
| 02:20.46 | junix-other | k |
| 02:20.48 | Meaw | jelly-home, and it's 1 gb |
| 02:21.00 | karsten | junix-other: http://cgi.sover.net/cgi-bin/bsdi-man?proto=1.1&query=login.conf&msection=5&apropos=0 |
| 02:21.15 | freeone3000 | "apt-get install nvidia-glx" response: nvidia-glx: depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 but it is not installable" "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 nvidia-glx" "Package nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source." |
| 02:21.22 | freeone3000 | Wyzard: That's for you. |
| 02:21.33 | karsten | junix-other: The PAM / /etc/security/access.conf info should be appropriate for Debian GNU/Linux |
| 02:21.35 | jelly-home | Meaw: great, so find out what is using the space on / |
| 02:21.47 | junix-other | karsten: k thanks |
| 02:21.53 | Wyzard | freeone3000: That's because the package doesn't exist in the repository; you build it locally on your system from nvidia-kernel-source |
| 02:21.58 | Meaw | jelly-home, I cant.. I tried but can't find out what is using the space |
| 02:22.07 | freeone3000 | Wyzard: Ah. Is there a magic line somewhere for it? |
| 02:22.18 | Wyzard | !tell freeone3000 about nvidia_post_etch |
| 02:22.21 | jelly-home | Meaw: what did you try? |
| 02:22.25 | freeone3000 | Okay, thanks. |
| 02:22.37 | Meaw | dbx:/# du -h /root |
| 02:22.38 | Meaw | 2.0K /root/.ssh |
| 02:22.38 | Meaw | 15K /root |
| 02:22.43 | Meaw | du -h /root |
| 02:22.44 | Wyzard | freeone3000: The key step is the "module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel" |
| 02:22.46 | jelly-home | Meaw: did I say to run that? |
| 02:22.54 | junix-other | karsten: i'm guessing i need to do some reading on PAM |
| 02:23.16 | Meaw | jelly-home, no, you said du -kx / |
| 02:23.25 | karsten | junix-other: You and me both, brother.... |
| 02:23.39 | tweakism | how are m-a a-i argument "nvidia", "nvidia-kernel", and "nvidia-kernel-source" different? |
| 02:23.45 | junix-other | well i need to get my rad on fast |
| 02:23.58 | karsten | junix-other: In general, some program (eg: ssh) will specify what PAM modules it supports, you specify those in your local PAM config. /etc/pam.d/ in general. |
| 02:24.02 | freeone3000 | Ah, no wonder, I was following the old one-liner for etch. |
| 02:24.07 | Wyzard | tweakism: I think "nvidia-kernel" is the only one of those that's valid for module-assistant |
| 02:24.22 | jelly-home | Meaw: you'll need to learn what a mount point is. |
| 02:24.29 | Wyzard | freeone3000: etch has only one kernel (the supported 2.6.18) so the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18 packages are already built and available in the archive |
| 02:24.31 | tweakism | Wyzard: no, they all try to do something. nvidia, nvidia-kernel fail to bulid strangely, but nvidia-kernel-source worked for me. just curious./ |
| 02:24.41 | junix-other | karsten: i need to harden ssh, would kerberos be the next step? if so, do you know where i can find a decent tutorial? |
| 02:24.42 | Wyzard | freeone3000: In testing/unstable, you have to build them locally with module-assistant |
| 02:24.49 | freeone3000 | Wyzard: Ah. Okay, thanks. |
| 02:24.51 | karsten | junix-other: Harden it against what? |
| 02:24.54 | jelly-home | Meaw: the root filesystem begins in directory "/", not "/root" |
| 02:25.00 | freeone3000 | Wyzard: So I could just run this every time I update the kernel or X? |
| 02:25.28 | freeone3000 | Wyzard: Not every reboot like the binary drivers? |
| 02:25.54 | Meaw | jelly-home, oh, yes, you are right |
| 02:26.06 | Wyzard | freeone3000: You'll need to rebuild nvidia-kernel anytime you upgrade the kernel (to build the module against the new kernel) or when you upgrade kernel-source (to build the new version of the module that goes with the updated nvidia-glx) |
| 02:26.11 | karsten | junix-other: The usual low-hanging fruit is: disable password auth (require RSAkey), possibly restric port ranges you accept SSH from, add an ssh-disable proxy which denies access to IPs (or IP blocks) which are attempting to compromise you. Use RSAkey + good passwords. Don't use public systems when SSHing to your host. |
| 02:26.13 | jelly-home | !tell Meaw -about grounding |
| 02:26.22 | Meaw | ugh, damn so i did a mistake about giving / only 300 mb |
| 02:26.24 | Meaw | :/ |
| 02:26.26 | Wyzard | freeone3000: I've never used nVidia's script installer, and its use is discouraged on Debian |
| 02:27.19 | jelly-home | Meaw: if you have separated /usr, /var, /tmp and /home it ought to be enough |
| 02:27.39 | Meaw | yes, I have it seperated, |
| 02:27.54 | Meaw | actually not /home |
| 02:27.55 | Meaw | :/ |
| 02:28.17 | Meaw | only /boot /tmp /usr/ and /var |
| 02:28.54 | jelly-home | Meaw: whoever told you to partition the disk that way did a bad job |
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| 02:29.11 | tweakism | /home is handy to have. and on mail servers, mail spool should be on a part |
| 02:29.14 | jelly-home | Meaw: is it supposed to be a server? |
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| 02:29.25 | Meaw | no it's my personal laptop |
| 02:29.27 | junix-other | karsten: Kerberos wont' do anything? |
| 02:29.42 | tweakism | for desktops, I've never had much reason to split off /var, /tmp, and /usr |
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| 02:29.48 | tweakism | but I still do /home |
| 02:29.51 | karsten | junix-other: Kerberos solves another problem. |
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| 02:29.53 | tweakism | karsten: of course. |
| 02:29.57 | karsten | junix-other: Mostly to do with key distribution. |
| 02:29.59 | junix-other | karsten: explain |
| 02:30.00 | Meaw | so, now files in /home placed under / ? |
| 02:30.03 | tweakism | karsten: you know there's lots of good non-distro-specific documentatino out there |
| 02:30.04 | junix-other | hmmm |
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| 02:30.10 | jelly-home | Meaw: a large / and possibly a separate /home would be enough IME |
| 02:30.49 | tweakism | Meaw: if you use LVM, it's easier to make more potentially useless partititions 'cause you can resize them dynamically. |
| 02:30.52 | jelly-home | Meaw: you can see with df /some/directory which filesystem is that directory on. |
| 02:31.09 | karsten | tweakism: Oddly enough: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 02:31.29 | jelly-home | mafia. |
| 02:31.51 | Meaw | jelly-home, right, thanks, I think it's /home who takes all the space |
| 02:32.05 | karsten | junix-other: kerberos doesn't secure traffic between hosts, what it does is create an authentication server which provides tokens which provide the authentication between hosts. It's the heart of SSO (single-sign-on) services for Linux and Unix like systems. |
| 02:32.24 | junix-other | hmmm.... |
| 02:32.28 | Meaw | im gonna move the music from /home/ to /usr or some other partition |
| 02:32.31 | karsten | junix-other: Kerberos + LDAP + services is roughly equivalent to Windows Active Directory stuff for Windows. |
| 02:32.33 | Meaw | jelly-home, thanks |
| 02:32.39 | junix-other | karsten: right |
| 02:32.40 | tweakism | Meaw: yeah, I keep media in /mnt/music and /mnt/oink |
| 02:32.43 | junix-other | i know about that |
| 02:32.57 | tweakism | I need to organize my homedir in the /worst way/ |
| 02:32.59 | karsten | junix-other: You still need, say, SSH to provide an encrypted channel between hosts. Kerberos is an authentication mechanism SSH can use. |
| 02:33.05 | jelly-home | /mnt/porn3 ftw |
| 02:33.11 | junix-other | ok |
| 02:33.19 | jelly-home | ... cause two disks are just not enough |
| 02:33.33 | karsten | junix-other: It's useful if you're intercommunicating between a large number of peered systems. |
| 02:33.38 | junix-other | yeah |
| 02:33.46 | karsten | junix-other: Personally, I prefer SSH + RSAKey for most of my stuff. |
| 02:33.54 | junix-other | right |
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| 02:34.21 | karsten | junix-other: Now, if you're using NFS mounted home, and are distributing your public/private keypairs, and have shared root, and allow users to sudo or su to other users, then you've got a security problem. |
| 02:34.32 | junix-other | ok |
| 02:34.34 | karsten | junix-other: But if you're using NFS, you've got a security problem. |
| 02:34.52 | junix-other | i have a nfs share elsewhere but we are secured behind a firewall |
| 02:35.05 | junix-other | same with at home |
| 02:35.24 | junix-other | what? |
| 02:35.46 | karsten | "we are secured behind a firewall" |
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| 02:36.05 | junix-other | karsten: yeah yeah yeah |
| 02:36.13 | kamoricks | Followed the nvidia_post_etch instruction, having removed the binary drivers first, and upgraded everything. |
| 02:36.27 | junix-other | karsten: its secure enough for now |
| 02:36.29 | jelly-home | Turkish? |
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| 02:36.40 | kamoricks | Xorg is now complaining that "Error: API mismatch: this NVIDIA driver component has ersion 100.14.19, but the NVIDIA kernel module's version does not match." |
| 02:37.12 | Wyzard | kamoricks: Unload and reload the nvidia kernel module |
| 02:37.15 | jelly-home | *have been |
| 02:37.22 | karsten | jelly-home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7WZL66zXo |
| 02:37.27 | karsten | jelly-home: Where do you think Troy was? |
| 02:37.29 | kamoricks | Wyzard: Sorry, i'm new to this module thing, using modprobe? |
| 02:37.40 | Wyzard | kamoricks: You probably have it loaded already from when you used the script installer, and it's likely a different version than the packaged nvidia-glx needs |
| 02:37.44 | Wyzard | kamoricks: rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: near the water! |
| 02:38.18 | jelly-home | karsten: somewhere in Mediterranean, probably SE :-) |
| 02:38.23 | kamoricks | Wyzard: Ah, leet, thanks! |
| 02:38.31 | karsten | abrotman: I thought it was in upstate new york |
| 02:38.34 | kamoricks | KDE's starting. Let's see if I have acceleration.. running glxgears. |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | karsten: there is a troy in PA |
| 02:38.56 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy |
| 02:39.02 | jelly-home | and /me lives in a Mediterranean country. :-| |
| 02:39.11 | Wyzard | kamoricks: All the components of nVidia's driver (kernel module, xorg driver, OpenGL library) have to be at the same version for them to work together |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | karsten: have you ever seen the sign from ME that has a bunch of famous places within like 20 miles ? |
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| 02:39.32 | karsten | abrotman: Friends of ours had two kids named "Troy" and "Todd", or, when their dad was, erm, excited, "Toy and Trod" |
| 02:39.45 | karsten | abrotman: I've been run out of Paris! |
| 02:39.49 | karsten | (TX) |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | karsten: http://gnmaine2007.com/db4/00301/gnmaine2007.com/_uimages/mainesign.bmp |
| 02:40.02 | jelly-home | karsten: do they have a railway? |
| 02:40.08 | Wyzard | kamoricks: btw: when nvidia-glx gets upgraded, the OpenGL library gets updated immediately, but you won't be using the updated kernel module and xorg driver until you rebuild the nvidia-kernel package and restart X |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | karsten: those are all towns in Maine |
| 02:40.15 | karsten | abrotman: Cool. |
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| 02:40.30 | Wyzard | kamoricks: so, just be aware that when nvidia-glx gets upgraded, you might not be able to use OpenGL stuff until you do those two things |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | karsten: perhaps .. it's kind of in the middle of nowhere :) |
| 02:40.45 | kamoricks | More than a thousand fps, it works! Thanks. |
| 02:40.48 | Wyzard | kamoricks: That doesn't happen very often, though, so it's generally not a big deal |
| 02:40.59 | kamoricks | Wyzard: Can I just rerun the entire installer? Would it mess up anything? |
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| 02:41.09 | Wyzard | kamoricks: What installer do you mean? |
| 02:41.28 | kamoricks | Wyzard: The one I get from DPKG with nvidia_post_etch |
| 02:42.04 | Wyzard | kamoricks: There's no harm in doing that again, but it won't help with the problem I just mentioned |
| 02:42.22 | jelly-home | karsten: are there Parsley, Rosemary and Pine somewhere in the general vicinity too? |
| 02:43.18 | karsten | jelly-home: That would be "Thyme". |
| 02:43.26 | Wyzard | and "sage" is missing |
| 02:43.29 | karsten | jelly-home: ... of which, I've been to Thyme Square (in Davis, CA). |
| 02:43.31 | jelly-home | oops -EPLANT |
| 02:43.36 | karsten | Wyzard: I've been to Sage. |
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| 02:43.45 | kamoricks | Wyzard: Ah. Restarting X is the simple part. How do I rebuild the package? |
| 02:43.55 | karsten | jelly-home: and yes, there's both a "Lone Pine" and a "Big Pine". |
| 02:44.11 | karsten | .... and one of those is _not_ named in his honor. |
| 02:44.18 | Wyzard | kamoricks: You'd run "module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel" again, and it'll build and install the new module package |
| 02:44.31 | Wyzard | kamoricks: but the old module is still loaded in memory, just like you had happen a few minutes ago |
| 02:44.42 | kamoricks | Wyzard: Is that one the one that's abbreviated 'm-a a-i nvidia-kernel'? |
| 02:44.47 | Wyzard | kamoricks: yes |
| 02:44.52 | kamoricks | Okay, thanks. |
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| 02:45.14 | Wyzard | kamoricks: so you have to quit X, unload the nvidia module, and restart X (which automatically loads the module, and it uses the updated module and xorg driver this time) |
| 02:45.15 | karsten | Wyzard: Best I can tell (by way of TIGER files/dict) there's no Parsley, Rosemary, or Thyme in the US. |
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| 02:46.15 | ameyer | are you going to scarborough fair? |
| 02:46.25 | ameyer | I've been through Paris |
| 02:46.27 | ameyer | (IL) |
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| 02:47.13 | karsten | abrotman: And instances of those placenames (from the ME sign) in the US: Norway 5, Paris 11, Denmark 5, Naples 8, Sweden 1, Poland 4, Mexico 4, China |
| 02:47.22 | karsten | Erm: China: 1. |
| 02:47.28 | ameyer | not to mention Cairo |
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| 02:47.39 | \amethyst | Athens |
| 02:47.41 | karsten | ameyer: Pronounced "KAY-row" |
| 02:47.44 | ameyer | indeed |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | karsten: but all in maine! |
| 02:47.55 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah. |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | those towns .. snow and moose |
| 02:48.19 | abrotman | and a supersized paul bunyun |
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| 02:48.22 | abrotman | bunyan ? |
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| 02:52.02 | karsten | abrotman: ,Norway: IA KS ME MI SC, Paris: AR ID IL KY MI MO OH PA TN TX VA, Denmark: IA ME SC TN WI, Naples: FL ID IL ME NY SD TX UT, Sweden: No, Poland: IN ME NY OH, Mexico: IN ME MO NY, China: TX, Peru: IA IL IN KS MA ME NE NY VT |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | too much info! |
| 02:52.32 | karsten | abrotman: :) |
| 02:52.50 | karsten | abrotman: for n in Norway Paris Denmark Naples Sweden Poland Mexico China Peru; do echo -e "\n$n: \c"; dict -d gaz $n | grep "$n" | sed -e 's/^[^,]*, //' -e 's/ .*//' | tr -s '\n' ' '; done | tr -s '\n' ',' | sed -e 's/ ,/, /g' |
| 02:53.03 | karsten | abrotman: had to collapse it to one line. |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | evil! |
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| 02:54.08 | karsten | So, supposedly I've got a bunch of RAID partitions now. |
| 02:54.16 | ameyer | note to self, next time I find myself in Joliet, walk into the police station and call it Jolly-ette |
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| 02:54.46 | karsten | ameyer: As opposed to "Joe-lyet"? |
| 02:54.59 | ameyer | shrug |
| 02:55.03 | ameyer | or joi-let |
| 02:55.10 | karsten | heh. |
| 02:55.14 | karsten | How about "Lisle"? |
| 02:55.20 | ameyer | heh |
| 02:55.30 | ameyer | or ashkum |
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| 02:56.10 | abrotman | ameyer: Jake ? |
| 02:56.17 | ameyer | huh? |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | Joliet Jake |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | Jake .. Elwood .. |
| 02:56.39 | lontra | abrotman: nice game tonight |
| 02:56.39 | ameyer | ahh |
| 02:56.39 | abrotman | THE BLUES BROTHERS! |
| 02:56.49 | abrotman | lontra: yes |
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| 02:57.25 | karsten | ameyer: I'm more familiar with the Chicago area m'self. |
| 02:57.54 | karsten | Or ... |
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| 02:58.00 | karsten | "Dez Moynese" |
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| 02:58.12 | javabugz | is there a way to tell debian to bypass DHCP unless the cable is connected? |
| 02:58.31 | ameyer | FWIW, Ashkum's along the Illinois Central railroad between Kankakee and Champaign... |
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| 02:58.50 | ameyer | hmm, I don't like that nick |
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| 02:59.14 | abrotman | ameyer: are there old men in the club car ? |
| 02:59.24 | abrotman | penny a point ? |
| 02:59.33 | karsten | javabugz: Set the interface to non-auto, and manually dhclient it. |
| 03:00.36 | karsten | So, once I've done a 'mdadm --create' and allowed my arrays to resync, I should be fine to reboot? |
| 03:01.06 | ameyer | abrotman: ain't no one keepin' score |
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| 03:01.30 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:01.35 | abrotman | too slow! |
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| 03:01.41 | lkthomas | I don't understand why my apache can't start up after I insert sslengine on |
| 03:01.46 | jelly-home | what is sizeof(long) on Debian amd64? |
| 03:01.49 | lkthomas | it just say startup failed |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | lkthomas: check the apache logs .. likely it can't find the your keys |
| 03:03.15 | ameyer | grr... |
| 03:03.22 | lkthomas | private key, hmm |
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| 03:03.57 | abrotman | ameyer: that's not possible .. they're not even at the game |
| 03:04.16 | ameyer | s/the\ offense// |
| 03:04.34 | ameyer | erm, - the\ |
| 03:04.38 | abrotman | barrett could have called a better game :) |
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| 03:07.09 | lkthomas | anyone use cacert ? |
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| 03:10.25 | lkthomas | brb |
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| 03:14.30 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:15.09 | grendal_prime | anybody home? |
| 03:15.19 | ApEtc | !ask |
| 03:15.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:15.24 | Ronin | as a matter of fact i am at home, why? |
| 03:16.04 | grendal_prime | thanks ApEtc i just saw absolutly NO activity...kinda strange for this crowd |
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| 03:32.06 | karsten | feh. No RAID on reboot. |
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| 03:33.36 | freeone3000 | Hmm. Is nvidia-glx perfectly up-to-date with Nvidia's binary driver download from their website? Or at least approximately? |
| 03:35.37 | troubled | anyone else have the openssl update bork squid on them by chown root.proxy the swap.state file, thus preventing restart? |
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| 03:46.25 | maddash | gggggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 03:46.33 | maddash | whoops |
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| 03:49.01 | troubled | maddash: i hope that isnt your password :) |
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| 03:57.08 | dererk | troubled, I didn't, in fact |
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| 03:58.54 | troubled | dererk: didn't what? |
| 03:59.07 | PythonNinja | i'm having trouble with usb on my pentium mmx laptop, usb worked fine under the latest dsl release, and mandrake 9.1, but mysteriously won't work under debian, when i insert a device i get a brief flasha dn tehn nothing, asin no power to the device, I've checked that i have all the same kernel modules loaded.... any ideas? |
| 03:59.13 | troubled | just make sure we are talking about the same thing here |
| 03:59.16 | dererk | <troubled> anyone else have the openssl update bork squid on them by chown root.proxy the swap.state file, thus preventing restart? |
| 03:59.38 | dererk | troubled, I did update openssl and have no troubles with squid |
| 03:59.59 | troubled | dererk: what is the current owner/group of your state files? |
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| 04:00.48 | dererk | troubled, ouch, can't say that know, I'm at home :S |
| 04:01.14 | troubled | dererk: may i ask, how long has your squid been running without a restart? |
| 04:01.25 | dererk | Uhmm |
| 04:01.40 | troubled | so far, im suspecting the weekly cron hacing an issue, just like apache restarts when using certs |
| 04:01.47 | dererk | Let's suppose about 1 months, I think |
| 04:01.47 | troubled | having* |
| 04:01.51 | dererk | no longer |
| 04:02.01 | dererk | It becomes a memory killer app |
| 04:02.35 | puff | I'm having problems with apt and amavisd-new: http://pastebin.com/d60240cd0 |
| 04:02.36 | troubled | sound about right here. but i havent touched squid in _any_ way shape or form, nor have i had to restart it in weeks. yet that update, the restart failed, and the culprit was a chown'd root state file |
| 04:02.36 | dererk | troubled, that's because your certificates are phrassed, i'm afriad |
| 04:03.01 | dererk | oucg |
| 04:03.08 | dererk | troubled, was it reported? |
| 04:03.10 | troubled | dererk: well, i know that for apache, im just wondering if there was a chance of something in the weekly cron's that might accidently chown/recreate the state file as the user |
| 04:03.38 | dererk | I'm not sure, but that doesn't sound goot |
| 04:03.45 | troubled | dererk: well, i mentioned it in the dev channels, but I didnt even get a response out of them. still need to check into it first though |
| 04:04.01 | dererk | oh, I see |
| 04:04.21 | dererk | troubled, check if it has been already reported though |
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| 04:04.39 | troubled | sounds like a plan. thanks for sharing |
| 04:05.14 | dererk | plan? heheh, why so' |
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| 04:05.19 | dererk | s/'/?/ |
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| 04:06.58 | troubled | plan = a course of action i should consider taking. specifically, check the bug reports as you suggested |
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| 04:07.51 | dererk | ouch |
| 04:07.58 | dererk | heheh |
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| 04:10.28 | dererk | troubled, good luck with your trouble, I'm going to rest now. |
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| 04:11.08 | troubled | thanks, l8r |
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| 04:29.31 | Koh_ | hi, im a nb so sorry :), maybe someone can help me?! after i set a "Dim or Var" how do i call it latter? 10x 4 helping |
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| 04:30.15 | timthelion | hey, how do I change the default program for opening .docs? firefox says it can't open them, even though I have abiword installed |
| 04:30.16 | Wyzard | Koh_: Your question doesn't make any sense |
| 04:30.48 | Wyzard | Koh_: What is a "Dim or Var"? |
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| 04:32.26 | atoponce | how can i get the date timestamp on an installed package? i'm looking for the date/time it was installed |
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| 04:33.19 | Wyzard | atoponce: I don't think there's a timestamp kept for the package itself, though you could look at the modification times of its files |
| 04:33.44 | atoponce | Wyzard: dpkg doesn't keep that info in its db? |
| 04:33.50 | atoponce | that seems odd to me for some reason |
| 04:33.59 | Wyzard | Not that I know of, though I could be wrong |
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| 04:34.24 | Wyzard | dpkg's database is the current state of the system, not historical records |
| 04:34.34 | atoponce | ahh. true |
| 04:34.35 | atoponce | good point |
| 04:34.38 | Wyzard | If you use aptitude, you could check /var/log/aptitude* |
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| 04:34.52 | Wyzard | for the line logged when it was installed |
| 04:35.44 | troubled | dererk: hmmm, well, it seems the shutdown of ntp, bind squid etc. and startup might have been some sort of race condition. my proxy address is done by dns, and i got a "Bungled" config and it seems bind and squid overlapped and squid missed its dns. yet it still started. might have something to do with it falling back to root somehow. Anyways, thought you might like to know. l8r |
| 04:36.04 | atoponce | Wyzard: not exactly pretty, but i guess that works |
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| 04:38.46 | hark | atoponce: you could use stat in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ say for a package |
| 04:39.42 | hark | that's how which-pkg-broke does it IIRC |
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| 04:44.03 | nekostar | hey when making a ssh key pair and it asks for a key phrase.. is that what its using for bias or is that whats needed to access the acct via the key? |
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| 04:45.36 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: that's what's needed to decrypt the key |
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| 04:45.50 | nekostar | dondelelcaro forget it |
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| 04:46.01 | nekostar | i think its useless to explain to me right now - but thanx anyway |
| 04:46.15 | dondelelcaro | ok |
| 04:46.22 | nekostar | im trying to set up a mirror for mplayer and their instructions are NOT clear as ive not done this stuff before |
| 04:46.26 | nekostar | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/mirrors/mirror_howto.txt |
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| 04:47.17 | dondelelcaro | why bother mirroring unless you've got a large amount of bandwidth? |
| 04:47.28 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, I would have thought they'd have enough mirrors) |
| 04:47.48 | nekostar | i do 5TB / month |
| 04:47.59 | nekostar | they probably do have enough mirrors |
| 04:48.07 | nekostar | but i cant really host much of a repo on that |
| 04:48.44 | nekostar | and frankly im 3/4ths ready to say fukkit as i'm not getting any help from the people im trying to do it for lol |
| 04:48.52 | nekostar | i guess being a leech is good enough ~____~ |
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| 04:50.42 | troubled | dondelelcaro: can I get your opinion on a dns+squid issue? Just did the openssl update and squid failed to start. I looked at syslog and discovered that dns started, and just before it finished loading my local zone, squid fired up and failed to resolv my proxy's dns name. I noticed it wasnt running and tried to run it manually only to find out that all of a sudden, the state file was now owned by root.proxy instead of proxy.proxy. a |
| 04:51.41 | troubled | dondelelcaro: currently im looking at source, post/pre install scripts, logroates, you name it, but nothing seems obvious yet |
| 04:53.05 | troubled | dondelelcaro: the only thing that stands out so far is that I define the squid's effective group, but not the user (which should both default to "proxy" on debian). Im considering an issue with the "default" check code failing or falling back to current user. |
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| 04:54.01 | troubled | err, i defined the group, but not the user, thus its using the default. and that does seem to fall in line with root.proxy |
| 04:54.46 | dembug | hmm |
| 04:54.57 | dembug | How reliable is alexa at assessing a websites traffic? |
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| 04:55.05 | dembug | +/- 10,000%? |
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| 04:58.34 | freeone3000 | Probably less effective than iptables counters. |
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| 04:59.14 | niru | hi all |
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| 05:05.37 | hark | considering you have to install a toolbar/addon, depends on the userbase i guess |
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| 05:07.04 | Marupa | is there a way to set up firewall rules to throttle outgoing connections on certain ports, but leave other ports unthrottled? |
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| 05:09.40 | hark | dembug: http://www.alexa.com/site/help?index=84 |
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| 05:13.36 | naught101 | anyone know where I'd find out which CD ISO kdebase is on? |
| 05:13.44 | naught101 | for testing |
| 05:14.02 | Guerin | `!cd contents |
| 05:14.05 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 05:14.05 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 05:14.17 | Marupa | so anyone know anything about throttling? |
| 05:14.22 | naught101 | thanks Guerin |
| 05:14.33 | troubled | Marupa: traffic shaping |
| 05:14.47 | troubled | !listvalues shaping |
| 05:14.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'shaping' by value (8): iprelay a ;; tcng ;; iprelay ;; htb ;; wondershaper ;; ts ;; imq ;; traffic shaping. |
| 05:14.58 | troubled | !traffic shaping |
| 05:14.58 | dpkg | methinks traffic shaping is a method of controlling the rate of traffic over a specific interface acording to a set of rules. see http://lartc.org/ for information on traffic shaping and advanced routing controls in linux. |
| 05:15.15 | Marupa | thank you. |
| 05:15.20 | troubled | Marupa: might wanna also check /msg dpkg tcng |
| 05:15.39 | troubled | Marupa: btw, shorewall can do basic shaping and firewalling |
| 05:15.58 | Marupa | just want to cut down people's downloading if they get over 100MB from me. |
| 05:16.19 | Marupa | well, 100MB in one day. |
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| 05:17.39 | troubled | Marupa: keep in mind ingress is harder. controlling based on amount might be easier, but throttling their speed on downloads isnt as easy |
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| 05:18.25 | Marupa | troubled, What I want, exactly, is once they hit 100MB in one day, all subsequent downloads are bandwidth capped. |
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| 05:19.44 | troubled | Marupa: sounds doable |
| 05:20.08 | Marupa | I keep getting people who are downloading like, 3 files at a time and sending my pings sky high. |
| 05:20.09 | troubled | although, not sure about with shorewall. might need to go hand made tc commands in a script for that |
| 05:21.02 | troubled | Marupa: the best you can do with downloads is drop the packets until the rates fall back to a speed you agree with. eventually the sender will slow down to your allowed speed |
| 05:21.24 | Marupa | I can deal with that. as long as it keeps my pingtimes low. |
| 05:21.37 | Marupa | earlier today it was up at 1500 >.< |
| 05:21.45 | troubled | well, with tcp at least. but you can help by pushing your ack's out the network before theirs. udp is connnectionless so your sol there |
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| 05:25.18 | Marupa | mostly, I run some MUCKs (yeah, I'm legacy) which users are complaining about lag. |
| 05:26.18 | troubled | Marupa: just prioritize the muck traffic (and your traffic) before anyone else on the network |
| 05:26.26 | Guerin | Marupa: just choke all outbound to a maximum of 10k/s per |
| 05:26.46 | Guerin | no need to get complexicated |
| 05:27.00 | Marupa | how about...no, guerin. what's the point in having a server if it's 10k? |
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| 05:27.16 | Guerin | Marupa: per connection... 10k should be plenty for a muck, no? |
| 05:27.20 | troubled | Marupa: not the server, your other users hoggin bandwdith |
| 05:27.39 | Marupa | well, I want them to download /fairly/ quick, but not if they're downloading giant files. |
| 05:28.36 | Marupa | so is there a way to deprioritize all traffic but web? |
| 05:28.42 | Marupa | er, rather, deprioritize web. |
| 05:28.52 | troubled | Marupa: by lmiting all their outgoing to 10k/s, your limiting tcp ack's, which in turn causes resends, and the sender will slow down until it can get them |
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| 05:29.36 | Azar | yesss!! :) http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200710/error'd/ithinktrue.png |
| 05:29.47 | troubled | Marupa: but otherwise, there is no way to tell the sender they are downloading from to slow down. udp is uncontrollable incoming as well since there are no ack's built in |
| 05:30.32 | Marupa | I don't care about them uploading to me, I have enough download. just upload is my problem. |
| 05:31.35 | troubled | Marupa: thats why he suggested throttling outgoing to 10k/s for them. it would slow down their downloads as well as limit their ability to overstep your outbound |
| 05:31.57 | Marupa | so what speeds would that throttle them to, essentially? |
| 05:32.34 | hark | Azar: http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Multiple-Choice.aspx hax0red! |
| 05:32.37 | troubled | Marupa: depends on packet sizes really. dont know off hand would it might be, prolly < 100k though |
| 05:33.02 | Marupa | I'd prefer around 400kbit once they 'are throttled'. |
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| 05:33.29 | troubled | Marupa: an ack packet is very small, maybe 60 or so bytes, if that. so one of those for every 1500 (MTU size) bytes incoming |
| 05:34.10 | troubled | 10k ack packets per sec, times 1500 bytes i guess would be the math |
| 05:34.27 | Azar | hark? |
| 05:34.56 | NaufraGo | who knows about giFT? |
| 05:35.17 | hark | Azar: do you have javascript enabled? |
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| 05:35.40 | Azar | hark: nope |
| 05:36.03 | Azar | I can see it without js enabled |
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| 05:36.52 | hark | Azar: try the link with a JS enabled browser :) |
| 05:37.07 | troubled | Marupa: 40byte tcp ack seems to be what one google link reports. so 40bytes per 1500 incoming, into 10k/s, works out to about....375k/s incoming? |
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| 05:38.31 | hark | Azar: that's the real WTF, you'll see |
| 05:38.57 | NaufraGo | who knows about giFT? |
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| 05:48.26 | Azar | hark, same image... |
| 05:49.19 | Azar | hark what it does for you? |
| 05:51.43 | hark | Azar: this link -> http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Multiple-Choice.aspx |
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| 05:55.48 | Koh_ | hi if i have "Dim x1=foo001" and i want when the script comes to it a again it will turn to "foo002" |
| 05:56.21 | hark | Koh_: this channel is not for VB support! |
| 05:56.32 | Koh_ | do u know one ? |
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| 05:58.40 | Eric | hey all whats up |
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| 05:59.07 | hark | Koh_: no, hopefully not here :) |
| 05:59.09 | Eric | new debian user here. im wondering if debian by default comes with the tcl package used by and for eggdrop |
| 05:59.37 | hark | Koh_: but set it like x1=foo002 later, i would think |
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| 06:01.05 | russe11 | This is a random question, but can anyone help me install java (for java development) on debian woody? |
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| 06:01.17 | russe11 | Yes, it must be woody. |
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| 06:04.13 | mandrigal | good evening all |
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| 06:04.44 | russe11 | good evening mandrigal |
| 06:04.56 | russe11 | you don't know how to install a JDK on woody do you? |
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| 06:06.36 | fromtheporcupine | does apt-get install sun-java5-jdk not do it? |
| 06:06.49 | fromtheporcupine | or i guess we're on java6 now |
| 06:07.12 | mandrigal | is JDK free software? |
| 06:07.26 | Guerin | not the sun version |
| 06:07.29 | Guerin | at least not yet |
| 06:07.37 | fromtheporcupine | yeah it's in non-free |
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| 06:07.46 | ameyer | and even java7 isn't looking Debian free yet |
| 06:07.48 | Guerin | much of the code is, but not all |
| 06:07.49 | mandrigal | >_< |
| 06:07.59 | Azar | hark :) you talk about the "unseen" comments? :) |
| 06:08.04 | hark | russe11: you can try with java-package from sarge, if you want a debian package (sun java 5 only) |
| 06:08.21 | hark | Azar: did you see it? |
| 06:08.23 | ameyer | Guerin: as I understand it, for x<7, none of javax is free at all |
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| 06:08.36 | Azar | hahaha yes...well the comments I mean |
| 06:08.43 | Azar | nothing else... same picture |
| 06:09.00 | russe11 | hark, I don't get to use sarge, I MUST use woody. Should I try to find a package for sarge and install that? Should I expect that to work? |
| 06:09.04 | hark | Azar: the Mu+4n+ 0wn3d j00! |
| 06:09.10 | Guerin | ameyer: but they have released come GPL code. |
| 06:09.16 | Jemt | Greetz. A good encryption program for Gnome which enables me to encrypt files on a volume easily - ie by a simple click or two. I've tested gpgp, but it looks like something from the 80's |
| 06:09.20 | ameyer | java7... we'll see how much encumbered code they manage to unencumber or replace |
| 06:09.39 | Azar | hark: um no... does not show on my browser... (old firefox without plugins n stuff) |
| 06:09.44 | ameyer | Guerin: as I understand it, only the java7 branch is free at all |
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| 06:10.02 | hark | Azar: let me check if they've removed that comment |
| 06:10.07 | russe11 | Is there an old woody package lying around somewhere perhaps? |
| 06:10.11 | Guerin | ameyer: i got that. But they *have* released some of it, no? |
| 06:10.11 | wissenistmacht | hi |
| 06:10.14 | russe11 | I really don't care what version of java I get. |
| 06:10.20 | ameyer | although they switched to a more redistribution-friendly license with java6 I think |
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| 06:10.38 | Azar | maybe they did, the first comment on the thread is " When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?" |
| 06:10.50 | wissenistmacht | i'm sure the jews did it |
| 06:10.59 | ameyer | Guerin: yes, but not for any "released" version |
| 06:11.06 | hark | Azar: it's because of http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Multiple-Choice.aspx#155873 |
| 06:11.07 | ameyer | or at least "stable" version |
| 06:12.33 | Azar | hark: I guess the mutant missed some proper tags :) |
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| 06:12.37 | Azar | amateurs |
| 06:12.37 | ameyer | I'm sorry, I should stfu and go away |
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| 06:12.47 | wissenistmacht | yes |
| 06:12.48 | wissenistmacht | STFU |
| 06:13.05 | hark | Azar: no, he was sucessful. yes |
| 06:13.18 | hark | !comfort wissenistmacht |
| 06:13.18 | dpkg | There, there, wissenistmacht. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:13.24 | fromtheporcupine | russe11: how about blackdown? |
| 06:13.25 | Azar | who in hell starts a script with "><script src=http: |
| 06:13.26 | rha_1 | hello |
| 06:13.31 | Azar | that's asinine |
| 06:13.35 | fromtheporcupine | i'm not having luck finding it, but i think that's what i used to sue |
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| 06:13.38 | fromtheporcupine | use* |
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| 06:14.06 | hark | Azar: see the comment title |
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| 06:14.33 | russe11 | fromtheporcupine, I don't know anything about that. |
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| 06:15.40 | Azar | hark: shouldn't have been <script> as a separate tag? well, in any case in my screen it only shows as a source script, not the effect of it.. |
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| 06:16.32 | Azar | sometimes pays or punishes to use an old browser without any plugins or js running |
| 06:17.27 | fromtheporcupine | russe11: i don't either honestly :P you can also always download the jdk from sun and install it yourself... |
| 06:18.54 | hark | Azar: heh, i normally use noscript, but i've set irssi links to open in epiphany.. so caught the javascipt hack. man, that's so fucking lame of the dailywtf |
| 06:19.00 | Azar | hark for example I have to disable "show images" in firefox when I go to howtoforge or it will kill my browser session |
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| 06:20.05 | Azar | the net went crazy, now different browsers handling different websites written differently.. |
| 06:20.32 | mandrigal | thats good |
| 06:20.48 | mandrigal | it means no one party is overly influencing the net |
| 06:20.50 | Azar | the only trusthworty browser remains links |
| 06:21.29 | Azar | with a console-based browser might not be so cool, no images n stuff but hey, at least one can access and read happily |
| 06:22.05 | hark | links2 -g :) |
| 06:22.23 | hark | w3m can show images as well |
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| 06:25.31 | hark | http://links.twibright.com/project.html (courtesy tarzea_u) ;) |
| 06:25.38 | isystem | new debian user here. im wondering if debian by default comes with the tcl package used by and for eggdrop |
| 06:26.25 | hark | isystem: yes, you should be able to run custom tcl scripts. TIAS |
| 06:26.53 | chronographer | Hello. I have a trouble, I read about this trouble being experienced by some debian folks also so I hope someone can help me fix it! I asked synaptic to install msttcorefonts, it fails to connect to sourceforge and always gives an error: Resolving surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net... failed. |
| 06:26.56 | isystem | hark, thank you. tias? |
| 06:27.03 | hark | !tias |
| 06:27.03 | dpkg | methinks tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 06:27.12 | chronographer | over and over. I can't remove it nor install it and need help fixing it please |
| 06:27.16 | hark | just try it and see :) |
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| 06:27.45 | isystem | haha good idea |
| 06:27.53 | wissenistmacht | --- now i will spam --- |
| 06:27.55 | Azar | hark, hey nice but what's this on the upper left corner? \overfullrule0pt |
| 06:27.59 | wissenistmacht | * Benutzer in #debian: Fox chronographer _kaiser_ sphenxes twocarlo3 iguanna Greyscale tt Decepticon phrozen77_ thedonvaughn rha_1 sha subir wissenistmacht dailoom Spyro Bhaal ericx lrk fromtheporcupine mandrigal neighbors russe11 khermans__ derchris^ isystem xushi yoshio ColdFyre Koh_ Drgb winwinwin NetEcho enouf tolecnal delroth cableroy elbing JohnnyST karrotx Holborn sf7 Raging_Hog GhostlyDeat |
| 06:27.59 | wissenistmacht | h contrast83 xxoxx ehc saintiss CompWizrd merc moshii wombat^_^ |
| 06:27.59 | wissenistmacht | * Benutzer in #debian: ziyax KiWo atoponce GenghisZ axscode Kevin` Ashareth cjns3274 aardvarq Internat Azrael_- heB_z0rL damejiar defrysk tct aljaber Wyzard niru mypapit puff naught101 musikgoat Bogus8 Madd_Matt Disputin vyrus001 bullgard4 Dark_Apostrophe mick_work F|oFF solid_liq grendal_prime pramz Avochelm predder` pipeline keith80403 method1 Pryon nomasteryoda dvs01 AbsintheSyringe goldlord Sm |
| 06:28.02 | wissenistmacht | allR2002 jnguy jelly-home tonsofpcs master_of_master nelf pressenter |
| 06:28.02 | *** kick/#debian [wissenistmacht!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:28.08 | Decepticon | nice |
| 06:28.08 | vyrus001 | ? |
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| 06:28.11 | wissenistmacht | swombat monstar-x vorpal Loof sid yogurt2ungue madclicker hockenberry |
| 06:28.13 | hark | isystem: read /usr/share/doc/eggdrop first |
| 06:28.13 | wissenistmacht | * Benutzer in #debian: mvanbaak DjamKaret craigevil dserban sputnick cybercrypt unix_infidel glasserc Firestarter- pngwn hark claudio` lambda Matic`Makovec strongarm slipry fas3r Althaser nalioth MaQui MikeG sts RAOF RvGaTe muh2000 tubabot zinx Theos_ VOiCi rgsteele CrEddy Cato9021 l0wkey x-spec-t ljd lunaphyte_ intr80 dpkg nkuttler yeager Kwitschibo alex__ smacnay dwon GN-Test nitiniu Maakuth nam |
| 06:28.13 | Decepticon | hes back |
| 06:28.13 | tubabot | Non non, c'est trop tard |
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| 06:28.19 | hark | !ops wissenistmacht |
| 06:28.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hark complains about: wissenistmacht |
| 06:28.20 | wissenistmacht | it NelsonFx aib NightOath nfi|ermes HymnToLife qrck valdyn svecias |
| 06:28.26 | wissenistmacht | ShdB djace _gAri- tenner stiv2k r4-mecha Supaplex kunwon1 slaq duckx arturaz loesh xc Guerin garo kloeri beardy x03 zumbi_ slon Acid___ jdhutchin1 MrMagic pocukrani ft SiliconViper spoopin apt fengor pico cruxeternus thrall udo \amethyst [Cadet] rbd rvalles bzed jonas21 HardDisk_WP tim__b RichiH flokuehn davi Sipingal hellnet itchi linc ekix sparr Gulars eck |
| 06:28.29 | Decepticon | !ops wissenistmacht |
| 06:28.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: decepticon complains about: wissenistmacht |
| 06:28.31 | wissenistmacht | * Benutzer in #debian: yacc MaliutaWrk elements bvs Cope glut radius dogmeat psyche_ spantiga tuxick x-Dieu elvedin Seb sparrw Hydroxide psycodad nrl_ lunk stray Salihu Pablo inzion ix greed Tremitos matty- owdondek_ roz eye69 guk spq evadave keram sabbat_ jorgp tomacco daz lupine_screen Optic dererk birdmon Knight_Lord adm TheMagician hoxu baffle b1z smiler h2oman cureless cyzie NigelS danieldg T |
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| 06:28.38 | mandrigal | LAME |
| 06:28.38 | Azar | wissenistmacht: you little wiener, you are ignored hahahahaha |
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| 06:28.40 | wissenistmacht | * Benutzer in #debian: extase _protocol lbc Filbert Dave2 mxrev drmitch liri anhi snot BenderUnit22 Kvant predder CcSsNET KLD nevyn ponyofdeath DustyBin surrounder wakejagr cb faked gentgeen__ Ozymandias2 dalias keith_ scribz_ bh abuzor xored Element14 Jonbo infernix dort dos000 D4N` pseubodot f4ith clif4d ead damyan ShockSMX badgers regis1 erxz_paste petemc SpeedyG orafu awilcox SportChick Trewas |
| 06:28.42 | _kaiser_ | wtf wissenistmacht |
| 06:28.45 | wissenistmacht | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@static-ip-85-25-64-158.inaddr.intergenia.de] by tomaw |
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| 06:28.52 | Ozymandias2 | what? |
| 06:28.55 | swombat | what was that about? |
| 06:28.58 | ColdFyre | holy SHIT that is annoying |
| 06:28.58 | Azar | thanks tomaw |
| 06:28.59 | vyrus001 | lol |
| 06:28.59 | hark | yay, thanks :) |
| 06:29.04 | tomaw | np :) |
| 06:29.05 | Decepticon | stupid highlight spam |
| 06:29.05 | dailoom | a happy customer for sure |
| 06:29.06 | Avochelm | what an artard! |
| 06:29.16 | Ozymandias2 | can we ban him please? |
| 06:29.20 | Element14 | that guy was spamming #python too... |
| 06:29.21 | Azar | it was expected from the sentence he entered with |
| 06:29.23 | winwinwin | ??? |
| 06:29.25 | Decepticon | if theres anything more despicable than highlight spam |
| 06:29.27 | Decepticon | let me know |
| 06:29.29 | swombat | he is banned |
| 06:29.36 | Decepticon | pointless and annoying |
| 06:29.40 | swombat | Decepticon: child abuse? |
| 06:29.47 | Decepticon | ok well i didnt really mean that |
| 06:29.49 | dailoom | well. he clearly got our attention :) |
| 06:29.52 | swombat | lol |
| 06:29.53 | swombat | ;-) |
| 06:29.55 | Decepticon | heh |
| 06:30.28 | Azar | tarzeau: |
| 06:30.51 | Azar | tarzeau: I see things on that Links website :) |
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| 06:32.55 | hark | Azar: http://links.twibright.com/project.html is another evil JS site :) |
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| 06:34.22 | Azar | \overfullrule0pt \maketoc \penalty -10000 |
| 06:34.36 | Azar | hark: and again, I only see source code here and there.. |
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| 06:35.07 | Azar | oh well darn I am missing the fun I guess |
| 06:35.08 | hellop | Trying to do: apt-get install simplyhtml, but get error: sun-java5-jre is not installable But, I have just installed jdk-1_5_0_13-linux-i586.rpm using alien to convert it to .deb |
| 06:35.38 | hark | Azar: oh, that's LaTeX |
| 06:35.50 | chronographer | Hello. I have a trouble, I read about this trouble being experienced by some debian folks also so I hope someone can help me fix it! I asked synaptic to install msttcorefonts, it fails to connect to sourceforge and always gives an error: Resolving surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net... failed. |
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| 06:36.15 | chronographer | As well as all the other servers it tries to get the fonts off. Anyone else had a problem like this and got a solutioin? |
| 06:36.16 | hellop | Can I force it to install, or.. somehow tell deb that I do have jre 1.5? |
| 06:36.17 | hark | chronographer: check the bts? |
| 06:36.18 | Azar | hellop: before trying to introduce a foreign object in Debian did you tried a debian-way or a debianized package? |
| 06:36.24 | chronographer | what is that? |
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| 06:36.58 | hark | hellop: what's simplyhtml? |
| 06:37.12 | hellop | hark.. dunno |
| 06:37.28 | Azar | hellop: there "might be" some similar package or a debian-way to install what you need |
| 06:37.42 | hellop | Azar.. hmm not, maybe I should have used make-jpkg instead of alien |
| 06:37.46 | hark | hellop: but.. you're installing it?! |
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| 06:38.14 | hellop | Azar, I assumed .rpm and .deb were equivalent... just different formats. |
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| 06:38.33 | hellop | hark, it's a dependency of the package I'm installing: freemind |
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| 06:38.55 | Azar | hellop: google for "packagename with Debian" see maybe there are more elegant ways to install |
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| 06:39.23 | craigevil | hellop: why are you using alien when java is in the debian repos |
| 06:39.24 | hark | hellop: sun java is in non-free from etch onwards. using make-jpkg is deprecated now |
| 06:39.37 | hellop | How can I tell apt-get install to ignore deps? |
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| 06:40.22 | hellop | craigevil, you mean free-java-sdk? |
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| 06:41.03 | hellop | oh ok I see jdk thanks |
| 06:41.09 | ix | or perhaps sun-java6-jdk |
| 06:42.00 | hark | hellop: add non-free to your sources.list |
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| 06:42.52 | hellop | well, now when I do apt-get install jdk it says it's already the latest version |
| 06:43.34 | hellop | So, I wonder why apt-get-install says :sun-java5-jre is not installable |
| 06:44.21 | hark | hellop: pastebin apt-cache policy or your sources.list |
| 06:46.46 | hellop | hark: http://pastebin.ca/725255 |
| 06:47.11 | hark | hellop: freemind depends on java-virtual-machine and java2-runtime. So you have to install one of the java packages which provides it. The rpm does not do so |
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| 06:48.56 | hellop | hmm |
| 06:49.24 | craigevil | you need contrib non-free in your sources.list thats why its not installable |
| 06:49.26 | hark | hellop: add contrib and non-free sources. |
| 06:49.32 | hellop | k |
| 06:49.41 | hark | !find freemind lenny |
| 06:49.58 | Supaplex | !phind my FEWDs |
| 06:50.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'freemind' (2): (/usr/bin/freemind, /usr/lib/menu/freemind, /usr/lib/mime/packages/freemind) in contrib/text/freemind ;; (/usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/22x22/apps/freemind.png, /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/32x32/apps/freemind.png, /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/Applications/Other/Knowledge/~freemind~FreeMind) in x11/fvwm-crystal. |
| 06:50.52 | hellop | is there a way to just use netselect to pick the best contrib source? |
| 06:51.25 | Supaplex | like apt-spy? |
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| 06:51.38 | hellop | sure |
| 06:51.46 | hellop | like netselect add contrib |
| 06:51.54 | hark | Element14: just add "conrib non-free" at the end of line say line 6 in your pastebin after main |
| 06:52.05 | hark | er hellop ^ |
| 06:52.09 | hellop | k |
| 06:52.11 | Element14 | hi :) |
| 06:53.56 | hark | Element14: sorry :) |
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| 06:54.49 | hellop | ok it's working... thanks for all the help guys |
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| 06:56.00 | hark | hellop: where were you installing freemind from? |
| 06:56.43 | hellop | hark: from the location in the instructions on the soursforge page |
| 06:57.07 | hark | hellop: it's in debian.. apt-cache show freemind :) |
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| 06:57.41 | hellop | doh! |
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| 06:58.12 | patinux | hello |
| 06:58.14 | hark | you just didn't see it before as you didn't have contrib in your sources.list |
| 06:58.32 | hellop | hark, it's really old .7, .9 is out |
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| 07:00.57 | hellop | Alright! freemind is running suuweet |
| 07:01.04 | hellop | Thanks again hark! |
| 07:01.42 | hark | np, well, i guess you could file a wishlist bug informing the maintainer about the new version |
| 07:02.18 | hellop | maintainer of..... the apt source? |
| 07:02.25 | hellop | debian? |
| 07:03.07 | hark | against the freemind package in debian .. bugs.debian.org/freemind |
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| 07:05.39 | hark | hellop: nm, looks like the maintainer is aware of the situation all right :) |
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| 07:06.33 | yacc | Any idea why a package installed into python-central is not importable? |
| 07:06.52 | geo-rge | wissenistmacht and attentionwhore (from yetderday), same perspn |
| 07:07.10 | yacc | geo-rge: had the idea too. |
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| 07:09.16 | sine | hi i just finished a night shift and i got a couple of questions about my debian etch install |
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| 07:10.31 | sine | my alsa sound was not working each time i rebooted untill i did alsaconf. now it wont work at all |
| 07:11.17 | sine | ok and now it fucking works. as allways |
| 07:11.26 | geo-rge | yacc: when I looked at his username I remembered it, then I searched my scrollback for it, found it, compared, matches |
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| 07:12.38 | geo-rge | sine: I forget sorta, but I was under the impression that some maintainer decided to run alsaconf every boot |
| 07:13.01 | geo-rge | but that doesn't explain your experience |
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| 07:17.16 | sine | ta |
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| 07:17.27 | sine | what file holds the startup list |
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| 07:17.48 | sine | or is it a folder with all the executables or links |
| 07:17.57 | geo-rge | sine: first let's see your default runlevel (latter.) |
| 07:18.00 | sine | ./boot / |
| 07:18.18 | geo-rge | it's in /etc/inittab |
| 07:18.20 | sine | default run level ? |
| 07:18.21 | sine | kk |
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| 07:18.59 | hark | sine: what sound card? do you know which driver it uses? |
| 07:19.01 | geo-rge | once we know default runlevel, then we look at runlevel S then that runlevel |
| 07:20.03 | sine | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 07:20.16 | geo-rge | the executables are in /etc/init.d |
| 07:20.34 | geo-rge | the links to those executables are in the runlevel dirs |
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| 07:21.20 | sine | ahh yes i remember now |
| 07:21.44 | geo-rge | do you see your default run |
| 07:21.48 | geo-rge | level? |
| 07:21.49 | sine | rc-1 rc-2 or somthing and then when your run undercertain levels it runs the scripts or pointers or links whatever from them folders |
| 07:21.55 | sine | no i havent looked yet |
| 07:22.07 | geo-rge | oh ok... |
| 07:22.09 | hark | sine: does "lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*" show anything using the card? do you hear anything with "speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav" ? |
| 07:22.41 | musikgoat | suggestions? getting mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.1.4' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered, when I seem to have nfs running on my deb box. ps shows [nfsd4] and 3 [nfsd] processes |
| 07:22.50 | sine | my speakers are working now, im listening to some uk rap mp3 |
| 07:22.59 | geo-rge | hark: he doesn;t know why whether it works is inconsistant |
| 07:23.09 | sine | it hasnt been working for ages its like it chooses when to work |
| 07:23.15 | musikgoat | the unit i'm trying to connect to has these processes running |
| 07:23.31 | hark | i see |
| 07:23.38 | geo-rge | do you have more than one soundcard? |
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| 07:24.09 | Supaplex | sine: wait a minute... working speakers, and rap, in the same thought? ;) |
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| 07:24.27 | musikgoat | my kernel build has nfs support, lsmod shows nfsd |
| 07:24.31 | sine | how do i paste again |
| 07:24.46 | hark | select and middle click |
| 07:24.46 | geo-rge | !paste |
| 07:24.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:24.53 | hark | or ^v ;) |
| 07:25.04 | Supaplex | !nopaste howto |
| 07:25.18 | sine | every genre of music has somthing to offer, not liking somthing is a loss |
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| 07:25.49 | Supaplex | sine: yea, no worries. just some fun ;-) |
| 07:26.21 | sine | http://paste.debian.net/38731 |
| 07:26.29 | sine | :D |
| 07:26.37 | Supaplex | good job! |
| 07:26.51 | dpkg | pastebin howto is, like, step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to http://rafb.net/paste step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here. |
| 07:28.05 | hark | heh :) |
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| 07:29.36 | musikgoat | any one have suggestions? /etc/exports has a line /mnt/disk1/ x.x.x.x/24(rw,wdelay,sync,all_squash,no_subtree_check) and nfsd is running. what would cause this mount failure from a client: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.1.4' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered. |
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| 07:30.17 | hark | musikgoat: does rpcinfo -p show it running on the server? |
| 07:30.23 | geo-rge | no portmapper? |
| 07:30.51 | musikgoat | it shows nfs, not nfsd if that matters? |
| 07:31.08 | musikgoat | tcp and udp port 2049 |
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| 07:32.12 | hark | yeah that's ok. how about portmapper and mountd |
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| 07:32.57 | musikgoat | i'm not sure about those |
| 07:33.23 | musikgoat | i can nmap the server for open ports |
| 07:34.22 | musikgoat | 2049 is open |
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| 07:35.22 | zamba | how do i list all packages installed from a given repository? |
| 07:35.38 | zamba | i have an old backport entry here that i want to replace with the corresponding stock packages |
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| 07:37.09 | hark | musikgoat: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html see #7.3.2 |
| 07:37.10 | sine | my ability to predict the future sickens me every passing day. last night i found a cd somewhere that wasnt mine and i decided to copy it to test out debian using my cddrive. i had to cut the rip short and i was nearly at the end. i said to myself "i bet the track that is only a tiny bit ripped will be awsome and ill be so annoyed that i cant hear it" |
| 07:37.46 | musikgoat | thanks hark |
| 07:38.12 | geo-rge | sounds like a story to me :) |
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| 07:39.06 | geo-rge | you might find the rest of the cut you only got part of, sucks ;) |
| 07:39.14 | musikgoat | hark, portmapper and mountd are in rpcinfo -p |
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| 07:39.43 | sadmin | hi all |
| 07:39.51 | sadmin | when i connect my uSB disk |
| 07:39.56 | sadmin | it gives error FAT: Directory bread(block 57325) failed |
| 07:40.02 | linux_jones | so is there an easy way to find out what i need to install to get glib? |
| 07:40.03 | sadmin | what this mean |
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| 07:41.23 | hark | musikgoat: yeah, that's good. check from the client as well as they say later on. I'll be back in a little while. |
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| 07:41.33 | thedonvaughn | linux_jones: sudo aptitude search libglib |
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| 07:42.04 | donspaulding | anyone in here knowledgeable in using dh_make+debuild? |
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| 07:44.02 | sadmin | guys what this mean |
| 07:44.08 | sadmin | i cant mount my usb dsk |
| 07:45.00 | geo-rge | a block failed... media might be bad |
| 07:45.10 | thedonvaughn | sadmin: looks like a file system error. Looks like your using FAT fs. *shrugs* Use whatever recovery utilities you can for fat I guess (?). |
| 07:45.18 | thedonvaughn | sadmin: or bad block on disc itself |
| 07:45.40 | SpeedyG | hi, how can I check if a certain /dev gets input from the device connected ? |
| 07:45.42 | sadmin | its a uSB |
| 07:45.44 | sadmin | what i do then |
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| 07:46.34 | thedonvaughn | sadmin: bad block.. nothing, it's broke. If it's FS just run some repair utilities, whatever you use for FAT. I don't use FAT fs, and never would. I also don't own any USB discs. I'm sure it's easy to figure out though |
| 07:46.38 | thedonvaughn | sadmin: that or just reformat the drive |
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| 07:47.36 | tarzeau | is there a symlink tool to shorten/relativate symlinks? |
| 07:47.47 | tarzeau | (one removing ./ and ../ parts of a symlink) |
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| 07:48.47 | geo-rge | seems you'd do a script to make that happen |
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| 07:49.20 | geo-rge | removing? |
| 07:49.30 | geo-rge | those look like relative links already |
| 07:49.44 | tarzeau | geo-rge: ./ is not needed in it... |
| 07:50.03 | geo-rge | true, but ../ would be |
| 07:50.43 | SpeedyG | ho can I check if there's actually comming any input from an inputdevice ? |
| 07:50.44 | geo-rge | but I thought you might have had absolute links |
| 07:50.49 | SpeedyG | *how |
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| 07:58.42 | musikgoat | trying to figure out why nfs isnt working. on server, i have portmapper, mountd, and nfs running in rpcinfo. I attempt to connect and get the following error: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.1.4' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
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| 08:00.03 | Solverix | Hi. I have small question. I have installed kde on debian sid. Now something strange happens with kde. Kwrite opens 5-6 min, akregator hold on "import feeds"" and so on. Know something what happens? |
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| 08:00.23 | Solverix | *someone |
| 08:00.28 | dto | hi all. i've installed etch on my system. but i'm having trouble getting xorg to use the 1280x1024 resolution I have |
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| 08:00.54 | dto | instead it always goes to 1024x768. the monitor resamples it very ugly |
| 08:01.11 | dto | is there an interactive auto x configurator thing for debian etch? |
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| 08:03.19 | geo-rge | I got this video: "nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev |
| 08:03.28 | geo-rge | a2)" |
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| 08:03.35 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 08:03.48 | Ace2016 | anyone know where i can get an older debian install cd |
| 08:03.54 | geo-rge | and I'd like to find out if it's supported |
| 08:03.57 | geo-rge | how old? |
| 08:04.00 | nemo | Ace2016: pretty sure debian site has archives |
| 08:04.30 | nemo | otherwise, find people who [a] have it, and [b] can upload it |
| 08:04.46 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 08:04.53 | nemo | (I have various random debians going back to 0.9something, but can't give you a list |
| 08:05.14 | cydork | dto: are you using intel i845 or something? |
| 08:05.32 | nemo | Ace2016: check debians own archives and various mirrors first. that's your best bet |
| 08:05.44 | geo-rge | Ace2016: http://archive.debian.org/README |
| 08:05.51 | nemo | Ace2016: failing that, ask here for a *specific* version |
| 08:06.07 | geo-rge | go read that :) |
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| 08:07.40 | dto | cydork: ah, fixed it. dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:07.46 | dto | cydork: i am liking debian |
| 08:08.00 | dto | cydork: today i installed it on this machine: http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/KarmaPod.html |
| 08:08.21 | cydork | dto: great :) |
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| 08:09.38 | geo-rge | nemo: that site covers everything 1.1 and after |
| 08:09.46 | cydork | dto: that is pretty awesome :P |
| 08:09.57 | nemo | geo-rge: yeah, I looked it up too. wasn't aware of it before, but good to know :) |
| 08:09.58 | dto | cydork: :) |
| 08:10.08 | dto | cydork: i'm setting up a whole home network multimedia processor hive |
| 08:10.09 | Ace2016 | nemo: i just need an install disk with a kernel below 2.6.19 preferably 2.6.18.x |
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| 08:10.27 | isystem | ok guys, whats up again. i installed GCC and now its saying error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 08:10.31 | geo-rge | Ace: that could be etch |
| 08:10.31 | isystem | i looked in the log file |
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| 08:10.34 | isystem | dont know what to do :( |
| 08:10.35 | cydork | !b-e isystem |
| 08:10.35 | dpkg | isystem: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 08:10.50 | isystem | well it is a new install |
| 08:10.55 | isystem | thanks cy |
| 08:11.14 | geo-rge | yeah, install that thing... perhaps you have the compiler without binutils |
| 08:11.20 | geo-rge | or gcc without make or soemthing |
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| 08:11.33 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 08:11.43 | rokra | Hi I have a problem on my SATA disk ata2.00: EH complete ata2.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 ata2.00: (BMDMA stat 0x20) , nobody has an idea of the prob? |
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| 08:12.00 | outlaw84 | Is there some way to chmod a file so that i can be read but not moved/deleted? |
| 08:12.06 | SoulChild | hey all,.... how do i change the background color of my desktop between gdm login and desktopbackground image. already changed in gdm config and background properties but still didn't work. any ideas ? |
| 08:12.10 | geo-rge | usually "can't create executables" means compiler installed incorrectly (or incompletely, and you would install appropriate packages |
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| 08:12.30 | awilcox | um I was pinged? |
| 08:12.37 | awilcox | oh...spammer...nvm. |
| 08:12.40 | awilcox | nn. |
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| 08:12.45 | Ace2016 | oh yes, distro watch showed it as 2.6.18 thanks |
| 08:12.57 | awilcox | I see you hellop |
| 08:12.58 | awilcox | :p |
| 08:13.13 | geo-rge | hellop did what now? |
| 08:13.16 | Ace2016 | Wasn't debian etch updated from its oritinal release? |
| 08:13.30 | hellop | heh |
| 08:13.35 | geo-rge | if it was, it was to fix bugs |
| 08:13.51 | geo-rge | no new features, no new versions of anything |
| 08:14.07 | awilcox | geo-rge: when I said "um I was pinged?" he CTCP'd me |
| 08:14.19 | geo-rge | oh |
| 08:14.30 | geo-rge | so he wasn't the original spammer :) |
| 08:14.37 | awilcox | no :P |
| 08:14.44 | isystem | thanks that did it |
| 08:14.50 | isystem | now to get the tcl pckg |
| 08:14.54 | geo-rge | what that did? |
| 08:14.55 | hellop | it only has second resolution? |
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| 08:14.57 | awilcox | g'night all. |
| 08:15.05 | isystem | goodnight |
| 08:15.15 | linux_jones | is there anything special i have to do with command arguments when writing a file for cron? such as is there a reason this doesnt do anything at all ,10 4 * * * /usr/bin/xmms /home/*.mp3 |
| 08:15.35 | Ace2016 | I want to check the list.gz file, i found it |
| 08:15.43 | geo-rge | yew saa yew wan na resoluuuutiooooooon welll you knowww |
| 08:15.54 | SpeedyG | hey, i'm trying to follow a install-how-to for my tv-tunercard, but it tells me to add somth to modules.conf |
| 08:15.55 | Supaplex | linux_jones: xmms2 requires no X |
| 08:16.01 | SpeedyG | but on etch, I cant find that file .. |
| 08:16.24 | SpeedyG | where can I find that file, or its replacement ? :) |
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| 08:16.48 | Supaplex | !tell SpeedyG -about modconf |
| 08:17.01 | Crush` | how would i replace a character while it is being written to an external text file? |
| 08:17.23 | geo-rge | right, instead of adding to that file, you can use modconf program to look for module to have loaded every boot |
| 08:17.52 | SpeedyG | hm, /etc/modules it is :) |
| 08:18.05 | geo-rge | Crush`: what's wrong? bad character? |
| 08:18.36 | Crush` | sort of, i want to replace any : with a space |
| 08:19.13 | geo-rge | Crush`: you can pipe to tr and then redirect to file |
| 08:19.13 | nemo | Crush`: you can pipe it through 'tr' |
| 08:19.28 | linux_jones | Supaplex, does cron not do x? |
| 08:19.30 | geo-rge | but you'll have to figure out what tr does :) |
| 08:19.58 | geo-rge | to do x, or to not do x... |
| 08:21.01 | hellop | should I apt-get upgrade if nothing's broken? |
| 08:21.16 | geo-rge | no |
| 08:21.22 | geo-rge | well I wouldhn't |
| 08:21.35 | geo-rge | I mean, seems there;s no reason, right? |
| 08:21.46 | geo-rge | but it's up to you |
| 08:22.21 | isystem | geo this is weird. tcl it says not found but i get this 'tcl8.4 is the newest version' |
| 08:22.23 | hellop | geo-rge what about security updates? |
| 08:22.30 | geo-rge | well there is that |
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| 08:23.11 | geo-rge | I guess that depends on how exposed you think you are |
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| 08:24.28 | harpal | Here talk.google.com is blocked and I want to connect to server how can I connect? |
| 08:24.51 | musikgoat | harpal, use meebo? |
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| 08:25.45 | harpal | I have pidgin it has facility to connect to server but it cant connect t it. hey meebo is also blocked |
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| 08:25.58 | hellop | How can I figure out what is sending or receiving 119 bytes every second? |
| 08:26.16 | hellop | Ethereal won't see my pcmcia nic. netstat -a shows no connections |
| 08:26.31 | hellop | can I pipe the tcpip stream to screen? |
| 08:27.11 | geo-rge | could that be a weird ping? |
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| 08:27.52 | geo-rge | what port? |
| 08:27.55 | hellop | usually I would use ethereal to find out.. |
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| 08:28.16 | hellop | geo-rge, I dunno.. I can just see in a little applet in icewm (in/out) 119bytes |
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| 08:30.11 | musikgoat | how to restart nfsd, or start it? |
| 08:30.29 | geo-rge | look in /etc/init.d |
| 08:31.21 | geo-rge | maybe there are some *nfs* files in there |
| 08:31.26 | speedy | I got XEON 64-bit server, whats the right debian image to download? |
| 08:31.31 | chinasky | hello, installed debian lenny. when i try to install nvidia driver appears a message: cc version check failed (kernel compiled with gcc 4.1----current compiler gcc 4.2) how to solve this? thanks!! |
| 08:31.34 | musikgoat | nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server, k, restarted thanks |
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| 08:31.57 | hellop | Why suddenly, whenever I try to apt install something, I get this: 1 newly installed, 203 not upgraded. |
| 08:32.06 | hellop | What is this not upgraded stuff? |
| 08:32.21 | geo-rge | you seem to be behind :) |
| 08:32.36 | geo-rge | suddenly? maybe you did apt-get update recently |
| 08:32.55 | hellop | sure, all the time |
| 08:33.16 | hellop | But why is it mentioning that something is not upgraded? |
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| 08:33.50 | acadia | quick question on setting up exim mail server |
| 08:34.09 | geo-rge | can I get etch kernels but with xen-3.1 support? |
| 08:34.40 | acadia | how does sending mail via virtual user work? |
| 08:34.57 | acadia | I've read the exim+courier+mysql setups people have |
| 08:35.07 | linux_jones | how can i restart cron? |
| 08:35.16 | acadia | which makes sense for mail delivery |
| 08:35.29 | acadia | but how does it work for sending mail? |
| 08:35.50 | acadia | sense, I don't actually have a true local account for a virtual user? |
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| 08:36.43 | petemc | acadia: they either use smtp, or if you have webmail they can can /use/sbin/sendmail |
| 08:37.04 | petemc | erm, use /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 08:37.42 | hellop | So, I guess I'm supposed to do a dist-upgrade to fix the not-upgraded message... |
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| 08:38.43 | acadia | petemc: but how would it know who you are? You are a virtual user, not a real one? |
| 08:38.47 | geo-rge | "fix" it's not, it's just telling you that |
| 08:38.57 | hellop | But, it would be nice to know why I get 204 not-upgraded msgs suddenly. |
| 08:38.58 | geo-rge | you can do that |
| 08:39.17 | geo-rge | you recently ran apt-get update |
| 08:39.24 | petemc | acadia: you have to authenticate somehow |
| 08:39.40 | jelly-home | hellop: which debian release? |
| 08:39.52 | Floyd-ATC | How do I make an application start automatically as I log into X? |
| 08:39.57 | hellop | geo-rge, but that's just for when you add a source, I've done that a before without this happening. |
| 08:40.04 | hellop | jelly-home, Sarge |
| 08:40.22 | geo-rge | no, it's also for when the source gets new stuff |
| 08:40.23 | acadia | etc/init.d/cron start |
| 08:40.26 | hellop | geo-rge, would this happen if you add a source for a newer distro? |
| 08:40.28 | jelly-home | hellop: do you have "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 08:40.29 | acadia | etc/init.d/cron stop |
| 08:40.30 | hark | hellop: but don't you have testing sources? |
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| 08:40.37 | jelly-home | hellop: it would. |
| 08:40.49 | hark | hellop: or was that another machine? |
| 08:41.07 | acadia | petemc: ok, first mail server setup confusing to me |
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| 08:41.32 | petemc | acadia: well, its not a trivial undertaking |
| 08:42.04 | petemc | acadia: thats why people are paid to do that kind of thing |
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| 08:42.25 | acadia | petemc: I got it working sort of |
| 08:42.48 | acadia | petemc: I just don't understand how you would send the mail as a virtual user |
| 08:43.01 | acadia | petemc: can deliver to virtual user |
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| 08:43.17 | acadia | petemc: can send as true local account |
| 08:43.19 | petemc | acadia: yeah, its easy to install stuff, actually knowing what you're doing is the non trivial part, requires lots of reading |
| 08:43.19 | isystem | how do i search. is it 'grep keyword' |
| 08:43.20 | isystem | ? |
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| 08:43.22 | cab_ | hi guys |
| 08:43.26 | cab_ | morning |
| 08:43.31 | isystem | gmorning |
| 08:43.32 | acadia | petemc: been reading all day |
| 08:43.36 | petemc | isystem: grep keyword location |
| 08:43.39 | petemc | acadia: a whole day! |
| 08:43.44 | acadia | petemc: this is a p*in in an a$$ |
| 08:44.17 | petemc | acadia: theres a lot to be considered, if you think you can understand it all in a day you're deluded |
| 08:44.30 | isystem | isnt working petemc. damn lol. i wish they made installing complete tcl system easier |
| 08:44.57 | Floyd-ATC | Windos has "Startup" folders, just plop a shortcut in there and the application starts automatically at login. How do I accomplish the same thing in X? |
| 08:44.57 | petemc | isystem: thats how it works, grep keyword filename , or grep -R foo * |
| 08:45.01 | geo-rge | acadia: maybe a day and a half... |
| 08:45.04 | hellop | hmm I know of uname, but how do I show which version of debian I'm using? |
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| 08:45.20 | geo-rge | theres a file /etc/debian_version |
| 08:45.26 | jelly-home | acadia: if you're worried about not getting failed delivery notifications, set the envelope sender (an option when invoking /usr/sbin/sendmail) |
| 08:45.33 | geo-rge | roook in dere |
| 08:45.44 | hellop | 3.1 so that must be sarge right? Is this not testing?> |
| 08:46.02 | geo-rge | no, not testing |
| 08:46.12 | geo-rge | testing is lenny, stable is etch |
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| 08:46.33 | hellop | so sarge is like old? |
| 08:46.40 | jelly-home | acadia: and put in From: header whatever you like. That's all there is to setting the sender |
| 08:46.41 | acadia | geo-rge: ha |
| 08:47.03 | geo-rge | if you're running sarge, you -might- wish to upgrade to either... but if you go further than etch, upgrade one dist at a time (like, to etch then to lenny then to ...) |
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| 08:47.11 | jelly-home | hellop: "sarge" is the previous version of Debian, "oldstable" |
| 08:47.18 | acadia | jelly-home: ok, so it doesn't matter, as long as the from is a deliverable address |
| 08:47.35 | hellop | So, if you are running the testing version, then they decide a newer version is now testing, then you get this problem with the "not upgraded" msgs, right?. |
| 08:47.36 | hark | the from: doesn't matter |
| 08:47.38 | outlaw84 | Is there some way to chmod a file so that i can be read but not moved/deleted? |
| 08:47.42 | geo-rge | if sarge is workin for ya, you -could- just keep it |
| 08:47.52 | jelly-home | acadia: it matters if you want to get those bounce reports. |
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| 08:48.18 | geo-rge | so you want to be read and you don't want to be deleted? |
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| 08:48.43 | acadia | jelly-home: yeah, I think I understand now, sort of |
| 08:48.53 | acadia | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 08:49.56 | mooper | !history |
| 08:49.57 | dpkg | methinks history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 08:50.01 | geo-rge | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:50.01 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 08:51.32 | mooper | How do I say "run command 12" where 12 is the 12th command listed by history? |
| 08:51.51 | acadia | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 08:52.42 | hellop | oh.. I think I must have turned on some STP crap which is causing my comps to send packets every second. |
| 08:52.49 | hellop | STP on my router that is |
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| 08:53.51 | ada | apt: sources.list |
| 08:53.51 | apt | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: ... |
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| 08:54.16 | Floyd-ATC | Please anyone... I have tried editing every single file under /etc/gdm but I just can't do it... I just want a program to start automatically, it should be trivial but it's not |
| 08:55.36 | Floyd-ATC | If I could atleast get a link to a doc explaining wtf all the files under /etc/gdm actually DO, I could probably figure it out |
| 08:55.46 | slytherin | Can anyone give me the email to which I can send entry for 'Debian package of the Day'? |
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| 08:56.07 | hellop | Floyd-ATC, to start when debian boots up? |
| 08:56.26 | Floyd-ATC | No, I want it to start when I log in |
| 08:57.23 | Floyd-ATC | I know about init scripts, been using linux servers for years but I'm totally new to X/gdm |
| 08:57.33 | hellop | dunno, I know for before login... for after, probably in your profile |
| 08:58.03 | Floyd-ATC | tried /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile, no luck there |
| 08:58.31 | Floyd-ATC | guess none of those are executed by gdm |
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| 08:59.17 | Floyd-ATC | driving me off the wall, been trying for weeks to figure it out |
| 08:59.54 | Floyd-ATC | the prog actually starts at the login screen but then it dies as I log in |
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| 09:04.22 | geo-rge | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 09:04.22 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:04.40 | Airbottle | hey, my sound suddenly stopped working, how can i have my sound back again? i tried changing the multimediasystem and do a test, but non of the options work, i tried killall OSS but nothing was aborted |
| 09:05.51 | geo-rge | you tried changing when? aftre sound stopped working? or before? |
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| 09:05.59 | Airbottle | after |
| 09:06.03 | web-user24 | hello |
| 09:06.13 | geo-rge | what happens when you run alsamixer |
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| 09:06.56 | Airbottle | i see a screen with vertical bars which i can adjust |
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| 09:07.34 | geo-rge | that's your mixer |
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| 09:08.18 | Airbottle | yes, but when i do select multimediasystem, i get this message that the source is busy or not available |
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| 09:09.39 | Airbottle | is it possible that firefox picked them in? |
| 09:11.28 | Airbottle | damn, i cant even start totem media player |
| 09:11.43 | Airbottle | it shuts down right after it starts up |
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| 09:15.34 | geo-rge | weird. |
| 09:16.21 | geo-rge | I modprobe the module built by the m-a process came from the bot, BOOM, kernel oops... now I try to load it after rebooting, invalid module format |
| 09:17.06 | geo-rge | this is the nvidia module |
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| 09:19.36 | geo-rge | more specifically... modprobe nvidia says... No module found in object |
| 09:20.14 | Airbottle | ok, it was my bloody firefox that blocked my multimediasystems |
| 09:20.21 | Airbottle | /leave |
| 09:20.27 | xand | you can't leave |
| 09:20.32 | Airbottle | hm that doesnt work |
| 09:20.34 | geo-rge | you must stay |
| 09:20.37 | xand | forever! |
| 09:20.38 | Airbottle | :D |
| 09:20.44 | geo-rge | and have tomatos and carrots |
| 09:20.45 | Airbottle | butm y music is working again |
| 09:20.54 | xand | something else will break! |
| 09:21.04 | Airbottle | i hope not |
| 09:21.15 | geo-rge | something else will fix itself and you'll know not how! |
| 09:21.17 | Floyd-ATC | You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave |
| 09:21.17 | Airbottle | not many things break on my debian |
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| 09:21.33 | geo-rge | you cannot get out of life alive |
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| 09:22.00 | hellop | I have one router serving a 10.0.0.x network, another one plugged into it serving 192.168.0.x network. From the 192, I can ping the 10.x, but not the other way around. Any ideas why? |
| 09:22.28 | xand | is the gateway set correctly on the 10.x network? |
| 09:22.34 | ada | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables <<-- any ideas ? |
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| 09:23.28 | geo-rge | hellop: the 192 addresses are hidden behind the router... you can ping that router, but only by its address on that net (10.something) |
| 09:24.10 | xand | geo-rge: if routing was setup then it should work. |
| 09:24.14 | geo-rge | the same way the entire rest of the internet cannot try pinging your router by pinging the 10.something address |
| 09:24.26 | hellop | geo-rge, yes, but the comps on the 192 can ping all of 10.x |
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| 09:24.55 | sep | hellop, that is probably becouse the wan port on your router server 192.168 is conencted into the 10.x |
| 09:25.01 | geo-rge | hellop: yes, but those machines are hidden behind the 192.foo router |
| 09:25.06 | xand | geo-rge: I have a 10.0.0.0/24 subnet and a 192.168.0.0/24 subnet, machines on both can ping those on the other |
| 09:25.26 | xand | hellop: is the router the default gateway on both machines? |
| 09:25.40 | geo-rge | xand: but that's because he has it set up differently from you |
| 09:25.50 | xand | yes |
| 09:26.00 | hellop | sep that is correct |
| 09:26.08 | geo-rge | if he wants what you have... you could help him :) |
| 09:26.34 | geo-rge | !nvidia |
| 09:26.34 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 09:26.47 | hellop | So, I guess I need to check the routing table on the 192 network... |
| 09:27.30 | hellop | I need to make the 192.x be able to use the 10.0.0.1 as the gateway, but not see any of the computers on the 10.x network. |
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| 09:28.20 | geo-rge | hellop: then you need another router |
| 09:28.35 | sep | hellop, your 192.168 router is probably a nat device son you can't make that work. you would be better off with a more advanced router with 3 network cards wan + 10.x + 192.168.x then you can specify rules in detail |
| 09:28.50 | geo-rge | or different routing, I'm sure a -custom- iptables setup can do it |
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| 09:29.17 | edistar | why does nfs use so much cpu? |
| 09:29.40 | geo-rge | 2much tla |
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| 09:29.53 | xand | edistar: does it? |
| 09:30.13 | xand | hellop: then you need to use iptables to do that. |
| 09:30.39 | edistar | xand: my load average is at 3,5 when I copy files via nfs, and I'm doing nothing other than ircing |
| 09:31.08 | xand | edistar: what spec is the machine |
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| 09:31.38 | geo-rge | and what spec are the net cards and the disk |
| 09:31.39 | edistar | xand: 3800+ x2 amd |
| 09:31.46 | geo-rge | and how much ram |
| 09:31.51 | edistar | geo-rge: 1gb ram |
| 09:32.22 | edistar | geo-rge: nforce 4 ultra on one end, intel pro card something on the other side |
| 09:32.24 | geo-rge | is there amd64x4 chips? |
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| 09:33.30 | jelly-home | edistar: which nfs are you using? v2, v3, v4? udp or tcp? |
| 09:33.47 | geo-rge | there are all those nfses? |
| 09:34.17 | jelly-home | edistar: if the cards are gigabit, are jumbo frames (MTU larger than 1500, typically 9000) enabled? |
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| 09:34.30 | slytherin | Can anyone give me the email to which I can send entry for 'Debian package of the Day'? |
| 09:34.51 | geo-rge | doesn't popcon have something to do with that |
| 09:35.21 | edistar | jelly-home: how do i find out which nfs I am using? |
| 09:36.13 | edistar | jelly-home: my nfsstats tells me about v3 |
| 09:36.17 | hellop | hmm.. ok. well the router has iptables... |
| 09:36.26 | jelly-home | edistar: mount will show some of the mount options, cat /proc/mounts more of them |
| 09:36.31 | edistar | jelly-home: which MTU would be good? |
| 09:36.43 | l3mr | is there a reasonably simple way to install debian so it uses a swap file instead of a swap partition? |
| 09:36.55 | edistar | jelly-home: yep, v3 |
| 09:37.00 | edistar | jelly-home: is v4 much better? |
| 09:37.04 | jelly-home | edistar: nope |
| 09:37.05 | geo-rge | hellop: but he's right... if you want to do "crazy" stuff (really custom stuff) put three net cards into a box |
| 09:37.46 | geo-rge | one net card for wan, one net card for 10.* and one for 192* |
| 09:37.58 | jelly-home | edistar: are you writing to nfs or redaing from it? |
| 09:38.06 | edistar | jelly-home: now, I am connected to a switch, also connected to the switch are the ipcop(router) and my nfs-fileserver, can I just set my MTU higher and tell ipcop? |
| 09:38.09 | edistar | jelly-home: writing |
| 09:38.23 | eap | l3mr: not advisable, but simply install w/o a swap should do it, manually create the swap later |
| 09:38.44 | geo-rge | the way it is now, the outside router cant prevent access to the machines which are siblings of the outside router |
| 09:38.46 | jelly-home | edistar: setting mtu is tricky. you need to have support for larger mtu on both ends and on the switch |
| 09:39.11 | l3mr | eap.. the problem is that i'm on a macbook with triple boot, and because of mbr/efi crappyness can only have four partitions, of which os x requires two, which leaves me only one for debian :( |
| 09:39.15 | edistar | jelly-home: the switch should be able, somehow it can do anything ;) but I'll check it, do you think I can just google some information? |
| 09:39.19 | jelly-home | edistar: in addition, if you use the same card to get to the internet, that won't work |
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| 09:39.30 | edistar | jelly-home: why not? |
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| 09:39.48 | geo-rge | the one for debian could be lvm |
| 09:39.49 | l3mr | eap: but afaik a swap file should work as well as a swap partition, except maybe for some performance issues....no? |
| 09:39.51 | eap | l3mr: ok, then all you need to do is not create a swap, debian does not force it afaik |
| 09:40.03 | l3mr | eap: ok, thanks |
| 09:40.05 | eap | l3mr: well, swap file is slower |
| 09:40.06 | hark | slytherin: project-debaday@teams.debian.net or check #debaday on oftc |
| 09:40.36 | jelly-home | edistar: because every device on the path needs to have support for mtu > 1500 |
| 09:40.36 | edistar | l3mr: if you have enough ram you shouldn't need much of the swapfile, so it being slow shouldn't be a problem |
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| 09:40.49 | edistar | jelly-home: my ipcop is a linux box with also the intel card in it |
| 09:40.51 | slytherin | hark: What is oftc? |
| 09:41.07 | l3mr | edistar: yeah i have 2 gig, and i don't really care about the slowdown, as long as i can have linux on my laptop :) |
| 09:41.15 | geo-rge | but if you do an lvm debian, then your / willl be on lvm and swap if any will be on lvm too |
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| 09:41.24 | l3mr | eap, edistar thanks! |
| 09:41.38 | hark | slytherin: irc.debian.org/irc.oftc.net /msg dpkg oftc |
| 09:41.51 | eap | l3mr: :) yes yes, linux on your laptop with debian, thats the siprit. your welcome. |
| 09:41.56 | slytherin | hark: thanks |
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| 09:42.28 | edistar | jelly-home: or can't the ipcop convert the MTU to a smaller one once it goes to the modem? |
| 09:43.02 | jelly-home | edistar: I doubt it will fragment the packets unless you tell it to |
| 09:43.11 | edistar | jelly-home: I'll try to tell it |
| 09:43.29 | jelly-home | edistar: no need, just forget mtu |
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| 09:43.38 | edistar | jelly-home: it always seemed quite powerful, and I can ssh it, so is there a standard linux way to do it? |
| 09:43.53 | edistar | jelly-home: ok, doesn't setting the mtu higher speed up a lot? |
| 09:45.17 | jelly-home | edistar: not necessarily. it just reduces cpu time spent on processing interrupts from the card, because the frames are larger there are less of them |
| 09:45.26 | edistar | jelly-home: oh, now I understand :P |
| 09:46.10 | jelly-home | edistar: how does the exports line look like? |
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| 09:46.27 | jelly-home | edistar: try adding "async" option if it's not there |
| 09:46.30 | edistar | jelly-home: /etc/exports? |
| 09:46.31 | edistar | ok |
| 09:47.46 | ada | does someone got an extra sources.list for sid to share ? |
| 09:48.39 | jelly-home | ada: extra? |
| 09:49.21 | ada | with many unoficial non-free etc stuff ? |
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| 09:49.27 | ada | i've notice the multimedia thing |
| 09:49.43 | ada | skype doesn't looks to be supported (powerpc) |
| 09:49.54 | Ronin | dont think skype is even in debian |
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| 09:50.06 | simmerz|work | one of my debian machines doesn't have any bash history. any ideas what I can change to get it back? |
| 09:50.30 | jelly-home | ada: it's not very sound to expose your system to untrusted repositories |
| 09:50.38 | simmerz|work | sorry, it's actually just bash history between logins |
| 09:50.39 | ada | Ronin: a repository for apt exist |
| 09:51.23 | Ronin | ada: a debian one or an unofficial one? im guessing the latter due to jelly-homes comment |
| 09:51.43 | ada | Ronin: unofficial ...of course |
| 09:51.56 | xand | simmerz|work: you mean .bash_history is missing? |
| 09:52.01 | eap | ada: do you mean this one? details are on site http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:52.05 | xand | check that file's permissions |
| 09:52.12 | jelly-home | Ronin: a sid user already knows about all the official ones |
| 09:52.28 | ada | eap: yep i've got it...thanks. |
| 09:52.48 | Ronin | jelly-home: or should |
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| 09:53.12 | simmerz|work | xand: yep, tbeing owned by root might well do the job! thanks |
| 09:53.23 | jelly-home | !apt sources |
| 09:53.23 | dpkg | methinks apt sources is a list of unofficial sources for apt. The URL is http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/ |
| 09:53.59 | jelly-home | ada: there's also apt-get.org |
| 09:54.23 | fanti | can someone point me to a tool to find out the network latency passively by monitoring the sequence numbers in tcp packets? |
| 09:54.36 | fanti | i want to get the RTT without pinging .. |
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| 09:54.59 | ada | tx jelly-home |
| 09:57.22 | jelly-home | fanti: bet you could hack one with tcpdump -tttt and some perl or awk |
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| 09:58.30 | basanta | what package provides mkfs.vfat? |
| 09:58.38 | fanti | jelly-home: i guess too but i imagine this is probably done in a some nice way by someone :) |
| 09:58.39 | geo-rge | mtools? |
| 09:58.49 | jelly-home | !tell basanta -about search |
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| 09:58.58 | jelly-home | geo-rge: no |
| 09:59.06 | geo-rge | hmm |
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| 09:59.32 | jelly-home | geo-rge: if it were there it would be called mformat |
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| 09:59.45 | geo-rge | oh right |
| 10:00.11 | geo-rge | so to do the search he needs apt-file |
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| 10:00.37 | jelly-home | or go to packages.debian.org, or do /msg dpkg find bin/mkfs.vfat |
| 10:00.39 | hark | or pdo |
| 10:01.20 | geo-rge | ok. new question... I just did the nvidia one-liner, and I'm trying to find out what didn't happen right |
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| 10:01.36 | geo-rge | (another weird thing, seems my /boot wasn't mounted) |
| 10:02.16 | geo-rge | everything looked good, modprobe nvidia went BOOM, machine rebooted |
| 10:02.38 | basanta | jelly-home, thanks |
| 10:02.40 | geo-rge | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:02.41 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 10:02.42 | jelly-home | apt-file is clumsy. it's way faster to look it up on pdo or abuse the bot |
| 10:02.58 | geo-rge | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 10:02.58 | dpkg | well, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:03.09 | jelly-home | but pdo search page isn't known for user friendliness either :-) |
| 10:03.31 | jelly-home | so the easiest thing is |
| 10:03.48 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.06 | jelly-home | dpkg: hey, you weren't supposed to answer to that :-P |
| 10:04.54 | hellop | What does this weird route in my routing table on the gateway do? 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 br0 |
| 10:04.58 | hellop | What does this weird route in my routing table on the gateway do? 169.254.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 br0 |
| 10:05.08 | hellop | whoops |
| 10:05.15 | geo-rge | looks like you found a bridge! |
| 10:05.46 | geo-rge | led zeppelin couldnt even find the confounded bridge... |
| 10:06.01 | thedonvaughn | that's a good song. :) |
| 10:06.18 | geo-rge | I don't remember which one it is atm |
| 10:06.32 | thedonvaughn | it's on Houses of the Holy |
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| 10:06.43 | geo-rge | yeah, I had the record at one point |
| 10:06.46 | thedonvaughn | kinda funkier tune, i'm drawing a blank on it's name |
| 10:07.09 | hellop | . |
| 10:07.29 | geo-rge | anyway br0 is probably a bridge... try brctl list |
| 10:07.40 | jelly-home | because they spent all the monies on a stairway |
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| 10:08.22 | hellop | k |
| 10:08.34 | niru | I have added sony_acpi adn sonypi modules |
| 10:08.36 | geo-rge | is br0 listed? |
| 10:08.53 | niru | but still my sony laptop does not work with function keys ie brightness and projector support |
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| 10:09.15 | ^Timo^ | Morning fellow |
| 10:09.15 | ^Timo^ | s |
| 10:09.34 | ^Timo^ | maybe you guys can help me this |
| 10:09.43 | ^Timo^ | if i am trying to login at ssh. |
| 10:09.46 | ^Timo^ | i am getting this error |
| 10:10.24 | hellop | well, I changed something! now, I cannot ping or open web pages, tho IRC works. |
| 10:10.28 | ^Timo^ | (server send disconnect message type 2 (protocol error):** |
| 10:10.35 | ^Timo^ | when i try to login |
| 10:10.42 | ^Timo^ | he accept only the username |
| 10:10.46 | ^Timo^ | then i get the error |
| 10:11.00 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows what it means ? |
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| 10:11.27 | geo-rge | when I run the !nvidia_post_etch instructions, I get to the depmod -a and it says... WARNING: Couldn't find symtab and strtab in module /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-xen-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
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| 10:14.29 | geo-rge | dpkg: ready to be abused? |
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| 10:15.09 | ^Timo^ | someone knows why i am getting the login error on ssh "(server send disconnect message type 2 (protocol error):**" |
| 10:15.16 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows what this means? |
| 10:16.38 | jduggan | use -vv when ssh'ing at a guess id say the client or server is speaking sshv1 |
| 10:17.11 | gryfel | ok, I have problems with printing with xpdf on my brother-printer. The printer works for example with firefox or openoffice |
| 10:17.21 | gryfel | I'm using cupsys |
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| 10:17.44 | gryfel | and the cupswrapperhl1430 |
| 10:18.04 | gryfel | and the hl1430lpr |
| 10:18.09 | gryfel | -packages |
| 10:18.14 | ^Timo^ | jduggan: i am loggin in with putty only by ip |
| 10:18.44 | gryfel | xpdf has the entry lpr in it's printer-dialog |
| 10:18.53 | gryfel | any hints? |
| 10:19.14 | ^Timo^ | jduggan: the server that i am trying to reach is running debian 4.0 |
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| 10:21.34 | HuricaneHarry | timo: open a new connection with putty, but keep the window open (close windows on exit, never) |
| 10:21.35 | jelly-home | ^Timo^: latest version of putty? any weird settings under Connection -> SSH? |
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| 10:23.55 | ^Timo^ | just downloaded putty from http://www.putty.nl/download.html |
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| 10:24.11 | eth01 | http://rafb.net/p/EuXk8H43.html -- any ideas as to why the loads are been balanced? |
| 10:24.15 | petemc | thats not the "official" putty site.. |
| 10:24.17 | Octopssy | Is it possible to protect a screen session from everyone (also the root)? |
| 10:24.22 | Octopssy | So noone can login to it? |
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| 10:24.26 | Octopssy | With a passwd or so? |
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| 10:25.07 | HuricaneHarry | Octopssy: root is meant to be able to access everything, you cant lock from him. |
| 10:25.09 | ertg_ | Hi! On the debian installer there is a partitioner running. How can i reach it on an installed system??? |
| 10:25.27 | Octopssy | Hmmm, okay |
| 10:25.31 | HuricaneHarry | ertg_: try gparted |
| 10:25.36 | ^Timo^ | whats the offical putty website ? |
| 10:25.36 | jelly-home | petemc: it's listed in the mirror list on the official site |
| 10:25.46 | petemc | yes, just looked at that |
| 10:25.54 | jelly-home | ^Timo^: first result on googling for putty |
| 10:26.17 | HuricaneHarry | timo: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html |
| 10:26.27 | ^Timo^ | yes i got that one |
| 10:26.58 | HuricaneHarry | timo: did you try leaving the window open for feedback messages ? |
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| 10:27.17 | wopwop | aaargh I see that port 31337 is open on one of my machines.... How do I close it? |
| 10:27.22 | ^Timo^ | when i let the window open it says inactive |
| 10:27.25 | ^Timo^ | and does nothing |
| 10:27.32 | ^Timo^ | the login only appears |
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| 10:27.38 | ^Timo^ | i can type login |
| 10:27.41 | geo-rge | ertg_: you can't get those installer uis once you've installed |
| 10:27.43 | PerfDave | !wwlr |
| 10:27.43 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
| 10:27.45 | ^Timo^ | then i get the message |
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| 10:27.54 | ^Timo^ | (server send disconnect message type 2 (protocol error):** |
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| 10:28.34 | xand | ^Timo^: did you check the log? |
| 10:28.42 | ertg_ | HuricaneHarry: Does gparted have an ncurses based version? |
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| 10:28.52 | ^Timo^ | xand : wheres the log in windows ? |
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| 10:29.16 | HuricaneHarry | ertg_: nope, ( g stands for gnome ) |
| 10:29.17 | chal | hi |
| 10:29.17 | xand | ^Timo^: no, on the server... |
| 10:29.27 | ^Timo^ | can't see |
| 10:29.35 | ^Timo^ | server is not running next to me ;p |
| 10:29.46 | ^Timo^ | cause i can't login ;( |
| 10:30.00 | xand | is it using the wrong protocol version? maybe it's set to use ssh v1 or something nad putty is trying 2 |
| 10:30.08 | ertg_ | HuricaneHarry: thanks. |
| 10:30.31 | ertg_ | geo-rge: and is there any program like that for console? |
| 10:30.48 | ^Timo^ | xand : is there a setting in putty to let it go trough ssh v1 to test |
| 10:31.01 | ^Timo^ | the os running is debian 4.0 |
| 10:31.12 | ^Timo^ | quiet new though |
| 10:31.21 | xand | yes, under Connection -> SSH in the putty config |
| 10:31.30 | xand | though I don't see why it would be using v1 |
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| 10:32.13 | HuricaneHarry | ertg_ : recheck... apparently parted exists too.. |
| 10:33.56 | ertg_ | HuricaneHarry: well, i need some tool which will make a software raid from two partition. Is the only to do it with mdadm or is there any higher level for it? |
| 10:33.59 | chal | having problems when i installed xorg with apt-get dexconf: error cannot generate configuration file /shared/default-x server not set aborting reconfigure the x server with "dpkg-reconfigure" xserver-xorg postinst warning: error while preparing new Xorg X server configuration file in /rtc/X11/xorg-conf.dpkg-new: not attempting to update existing configuration |
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| 10:34.28 | ghatak | how do i find which process is doing most disk IO, my disks are being caned, but i can not find which process is doing that |
| 10:35.05 | ghatak | how do i find which process is doing most disk IO, my disks are being caned, but i can not find which process is doing that |
| 10:35.10 | ghatak | sorry |
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| 10:35.44 | HuricaneHarry | ertg_: I dont know of any highlvl tools for raid... |
| 10:35.47 | ^Timo^ | xand : tryed only ssh1 but it gives the message "SSH protocol version 1 required by user but not provided by server" |
| 10:35.59 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
| 10:36.07 | fantomas | Hi all. How to install PHP5 fileinfo extension on debian etch? |
| 10:36.15 | ^Timo^ | that sucks. |
| 10:36.24 | petemc | ghatak: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump , tail -f /var/log/debug - watch out, there will be a lot of info |
| 10:36.33 | ^Timo^ | should it try sshv2 only ? |
| 10:36.38 | chal | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.43 | hellop | I'm not that great with iptables... How would I block everything from 192.x to 10.x, execpt what's going to 10.0.0.1? |
| 10:37.08 | hellop | First accept from 192.168.0.0/24 to 10.0.0.1, then drop everything to 10.0.0.0/24? |
| 10:37.38 | petemc | yes |
| 10:37.48 | ertg_ | HuricaneHarry: well, then i do it with mdadm, but should read man :- ). |
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| 10:38.48 | xand | ^Timo^: yes... does someone else have root access and can check the logs? are you able to use an ssh client on a linux machine and the -v option to get more information? |
| 10:39.17 | ghatak | petemc: thanks, that showed the sucker |
| 10:39.24 | petemc | all good |
| 10:39.35 | chal | when i run dpkg-reconfigure re my question above is it simply all that i need to do at command line as root is dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 10:39.42 | HuricaneHarry | whois ^Timo^ |
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| 10:47.22 | my007ms | hello |
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| 10:47.33 | HuricaneHarry | hi |
| 10:47.51 | my007ms | i am trying to install debian in SPARC machine |
| 10:48.04 | my007ms | but after it's load the kernel it's go out |
| 10:48.05 | my007ms | http://pastebin.com/m14d78d79 |
| 10:48.34 | my007ms | is this the right img |
| 10:48.35 | my007ms | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/boot.img |
| 10:48.46 | rvalles | I just installed debian 3.1 on a 68k machine (Amiga) |
| 10:49.02 | rvalles | on the first boot, I'm getting into trouble with debconf |
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| 10:49.14 | rvalles | lots of perl "compilation failed" problems |
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| 10:52.06 | HuricaneHarry | my007ms, Ive never done spark myself, but it seems the bios needs reconfiguration. |
| 10:52.26 | HuricaneHarry | my007ms, https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/aurora-sparc-user/2003-May/009410.html |
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| 10:52.32 | rvalles | edited the perl .pm file in the errors |
| 10:52.35 | HuricaneHarry | similar... |
| 10:52.44 | rvalles | it said "packaçe" instead of "package" |
| 10:52.54 | my007ms | HuricaneHarry, and do i use the right img |
| 10:53.42 | HuricaneHarry | my007ms, I think so... |
| 10:53.43 | Hoxzer | is there a way to allow another user to access X ran by somebody else ? |
| 10:54.08 | HuricaneHarry | Hoxzer, check out VNC |
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| 10:54.13 | rvalles | I wonder how that ç ended up there |
| 10:54.25 | my007ms | and xhost also Hoxzer |
| 10:54.30 | HuricaneHarry | rvalles, localiztion error ? |
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| 10:54.32 | rvalles | package mantainer? something is not as stable as it should? |
| 10:54.40 | rvalles | HuricaneHarry: no fskin idea. |
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| 10:54.49 | rvalles | HuricaneHarry: it's a perl module, you know... packaged and all |
| 10:54.57 | rvalles | it's perl code, source. |
| 10:54.59 | nomasteryoda | Synergy too works for side/side monitors... say for teaching purposes |
| 10:55.01 | fpitt_ | Does anyone know something about how to make a Debian kernel module package ? |
| 10:55.02 | rvalles | nothing that should be locale-aware |
| 10:55.03 | my007ms | HuricaneHarry, i was use keyboard i remove keyboard and it's work fine now :) |
| 10:55.18 | PerfDave | fpitt_: What are you trying to do? |
| 10:55.21 | nomasteryoda | or X2VNC |
| 10:55.46 | tls_81 | hi all am having a problem with my usb hard drive it's a seagate. the problem is documented elsewhere but no solutions are posted. Anyone has any info? the link to the problem is here: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7619 |
| 10:55.48 | Hoxzer | HuricaneHarry: I mean like run programs in it |
| 10:56.22 | Hoxzer | HuricaneHarry: for example I want to run mplayer with user Y in X that is owned by user-x |
| 10:56.24 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: I would to make the Debian package for the driver of my PCMCIA wireless adapter |
| 10:56.31 | Hoxzer | HuricaneHarry: mplayer has to be owned by user Y |
| 10:56.40 | PerfDave | fpitt_: And what driver is that? |
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| 10:56.59 | tls_81 | the problem is basicaly that the permissions change on the drive. when i mount it it is rw and after about 20 minutes it changes to readonly... |
| 10:57.01 | fantomas | Does anyone know how to install PHP5 extensions using pear? |
| 10:57.10 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: it's the RaLink driver for RT2561/RT61 chipsets |
| 10:57.26 | PerfDave | fpitt_: That's rt2500 / rt2x00 yes? |
| 10:57.39 | tls_81 | kern.log gives some error messages I can paste them if anyone is interested or know about external drives |
| 10:57.39 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: no, RT2561/RT61 |
| 10:57.48 | PerfDave | fpitt_: The name of the driver is... |
| 10:58.09 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: the kernel module is rt61.ko |
| 10:58.11 | HuricaneHarry | Hoxzer, I have no answer to that. |
| 10:58.36 | PerfDave | fpitt_: Yes, there are two drivers which generate that kernel module, rt2500 and rt2x00. You can install them using module-assistant. |
| 10:58.56 | HuricaneHarry | fantomas, check with #php ? |
| 10:59.04 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: these drivers don't work with my wireless card :) |
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| 10:59.22 | PerfDave | fpitt_: Those are the drivers for rt2561 and rt61 chips. |
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| 10:59.50 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: the driver I downloaded is the latest CVS version from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com |
| 11:00.22 | PerfDave | fpitt_: Yes, you can build rt2x00 as a Debian package using module-assistant. |
| 11:01.02 | tls_81 | would changing the kernel stop this behaviour? judging from the error messages it seems to me like the drive goees into low power mode and that causes problems when debian next tries to read |
| 11:01.08 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: are you sure ? Do they provide WPA/RSN support too ? |
| 11:01.38 | PerfDave | fpitt_: No idea. But rt2x00 is one of the drivers for your chipset, and you can build it with module-assistant. |
| 11:02.02 | mike1o | too bad there are skype sources to compile for amd64 |
| 11:02.15 | mike1o | *there are no |
| 11:02.35 | PerfDave | mike1o: That's because it's shitty proprietary software? |
| 11:02.40 | jduggan | ive got a problem with the rt2500 driver, iwconfig shows it all connect, right essid, right channel, ifconfig has correct IP, but i get no traffic over the wireless, there's no encryption or mac filtering involved and i can see the wifi light on my AP blinking with what i suspect broadcast traffic after i give an IP to the wifi interface |
| 11:02.46 | mike1o | yeah |
| 11:02.55 | jduggan | anyone have anything to suggest to resolve this? |
| 11:03.12 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: it does not show RT61/RT2561 in the description, only RT2400/RT2500/RT2570, however I will try to compile it |
| 11:03.43 | HuricaneHarry | tls_81, tough problem, maybe you can disable powermanagement in some way. |
| 11:03.46 | mike1o | im also trying to improve tuning and noise reduction for my pinnacle dvb stick |
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| 11:04.39 | basanta | is there any banking software ? |
| 11:04.43 | tls_81 | HuricaneHarry: It's a tricky one, tha's for sure... perhaps I'll just go and get another dribve bring this one back |
| 11:04.58 | PerfDave | basanta: Yes, there is some banking software. What sort of banking software do you want? :) |
| 11:05.00 | tls_81 | anyone recomend a good external drive not too expensive? |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/some-binary' returned no results. |
| 11:05.03 | moshii | jduggan: what do the counters show in iwconfig? |
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| 11:05.24 | moshii | tls_81: harddisk? |
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| 11:05.45 | basanta | PerfDave, can you name some? |
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| 11:05.57 | jduggan | moshii: you mean, db etc? link quality always shows 0/100 but it's in the same room |
| 11:06.02 | PerfDave | basanta: No. What do you want to do with banking software? |
| 11:06.11 | tls_81 | moshii: my bad hard disk |
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| 11:06.33 | tls_81 | the one I have recntly bought is not functioning properly |
| 11:06.45 | moshii | tls_81: most if not all usb disks will work |
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| 11:06.56 | basanta | I am new, just wanted to know the opensource alternative |
| 11:07.01 | shufla | hello. |
| 11:07.15 | moshii | tls_81: get one by a majorish brand and it'll hopefully have a decent drive in it |
| 11:07.21 | fpitt_ | PerfDave: but my question was if there is some document like this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html but which tells about how to build a kernel module package instead of a binary package |
| 11:07.28 | basanta | PerfDave, just wanted to know opensource alternative |
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| 11:07.37 | tls_81 | moshii: the one I bought is working fine, it's just when it goes into power saving mode it screws everything up... |
| 11:07.38 | moshii | jduggan: any tx errors etc? |
| 11:07.49 | tls_81 | it's a seagte free agent desktop.... |
| 11:08.17 | PerfDave | fpitt_: Building kernel module packages happens with module-assistant. |
| 11:08.26 | PerfDave | basanta: An alternative to what? |
| 11:08.33 | ^Timo^ | xand : i can check the logs by calling someone (logs are in?) /var/logs/ssh ??? |
| 11:08.35 | moshii | tls_81: the drive goes into power saving? never seen that with a usb drive |
| 11:08.56 | thedonvaughn | basanta: gnucash |
| 11:09.02 | jduggan | moshii: no tx errors, i can see its tx'ing packets, but rx stays 0 |
| 11:09.04 | shufla | I've got little trouble. I'm playing with creating python packages, but I'm quite newbie with it. on testing sid machine I've installed inproperly created package and right now I'm not able to dpkg -P --force-all it, this is my log: http://rafb.net/p/ujjzZr97.html |
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| 11:09.28 | tls_81 | moshii: I can only assume it's something like thta... after about 20 minutes of inactivity it gets remounted read only... |
| 11:09.45 | moshii | jduggan: sounds like is not associating with your ap |
| 11:09.57 | tls_81 | erro messages are : what paste bin should i use? |
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| 11:10.04 | shufla | and this is what systems tells to me while I try to reinstall it http://rafb.net/p/lJS3Mk30.html |
| 11:10.06 | jduggan | moshii: yea, thats what i thought, but iwconfig shows correct essid and channel etc |
| 11:10.21 | moshii | jduggan: does "iwlist <int> scan" show your ap |
| 11:10.26 | jduggan | yes it does |
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| 11:11.09 | xand | ^Timo^: /var/log/authlog |
| 11:11.16 | xand | ^Timo^: or auth.log |
| 11:11.28 | moshii | tls_81: gets mounted readonly? have you checked dmesg to check that the filesystem isnt doing that? |
| 11:11.40 | jduggan | moshii: ive tried reloading the module, iwlist eth1 scan shows the ap, i iwconfig eth1 essid myesid; iwconfig eth1 channel 11; ifconfig eth1 ip netmask xxx, all looks good, but doesnt pass any traffic at all |
| 11:11.44 | tls_81 | http://pastey.net/74817 |
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| 11:12.07 | jduggan | moshii: my ap has a http frontend, it gives me the option to show connected clients.. it doesnt show this client |
| 11:12.11 | tls_81 | moshii: my kernel log give me those errors http://pastey.net/74817 |
| 11:12.11 | moshii | jduggan: what chipset is it? |
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| 11:12.22 | jduggan | moshii: rt2500 |
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| 11:12.40 | jduggan | moshii: i've googled and cant find anyone with similar problems |
| 11:12.47 | wsdo_okadr | is there a key combination to lock my desktop ? |
| 11:12.59 | moshii | tls_81: ew, not nice |
| 11:13.06 | tls_81 | Mmmmmmm |
| 11:13.07 | tls_81 | lol |
| 11:13.14 | wsdo_okadr | is there a key combination to lock my desktop ? |
| 11:13.27 | jduggan | wsdo_okadr: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 11:13.43 | moshii | jduggan: if you dont sent the channel does iwconfig show that the driver jumped to the right channel |
| 11:13.49 | tls_81 | wsdo_okadr: you could also personalise it with keyboard shortcuts... |
| 11:14.43 | jduggan | moshii: oh i havent tried that, i'm away from the machine at the moment, but i'll try that this evening |
| 11:14.44 | tls_81 | moshii: i could use errors=remount-rw what do you think? |
| 11:14.53 | moshii | tls_81: could be the drive spins down and doesnt wake up when its issued commands.. or a bad usb to ide bridge |
| 11:15.15 | moshii | tls_81: you might end up damaging the fs |
| 11:15.36 | tls_81 | I think that that is what it is... spining down... anyway to prevent thisbehaviour? |
| 11:16.17 | moshii | jduggan: the rt2500 driver should scan when you enter the essid and find the right channel, if that doesnt happen then the driver isnt trying to associate with the ap for some reason |
| 11:16.18 | themill | wsdo_okadr: you can define one in your window manager; I use Win+L |
| 11:16.53 | jduggan | moshii: ok, thanks for the advice, i'll check that out later |
| 11:16.54 | themill | jduggan: ctrl-alt-backspace won't lock the desktop so much as kill it if you have the default key bindings |
| 11:17.03 | moshii | tls_81: if the drive was connected directly yes, over usb i dont know |
| 11:17.20 | jduggan | themill: it was an immature joke to make him kill x :\ |
| 11:17.31 | jduggan | themill: not very helpful, i know |
| 11:17.42 | basanta | PerfDave, tell me what does a banking software do ? |
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| 11:18.35 | moshii | jduggan: try building the lastest cvs drivers from the project site too |
| 11:18.35 | PerfDave | basanta: What sort of banking software are you looking for? |
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| 11:19.24 | themill | jduggan: ok... :) I have actually see people remap that key to lock session.. it's a trap for the unwary |
| 11:19.41 | basanta | PerfDave, what do you mean when you said banking software |
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| 11:20.08 | PerfDave | basanta: If you can't tell me what you want the software you're looking for to do, people can't give you a recommendation! |
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| 11:20.49 | tls_81 | moshii: direct connection what would be the process perhaps I can try using it over usb |
| 11:22.05 | basanta | PerfDave, I said I am new and I just want to know what does a banking software do because my boss asked me to do so |
| 11:22.13 | moshii | tls_81: hdparm style tools can do it |
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| 11:23.05 | moshii | tls_81: try doing something to keep the drive active, like write a loop to dd something to it every couple minutes |
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| 11:23.42 | geo-rge | basanta: try google, try wikipedia |
| 11:23.43 | tls_81 | moshii: will look into those. Otherwise I might have to go back and say I dont like the drive's colour... (I doubt they will take it back for not working under linux...) |
| 11:23.48 | moshii | tls_81: if it works thhen the problems is with the drive sleeping, if not the drive could be bad or the usb ide bridge is just shit |
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| 11:24.04 | geo-rge | basanta: (before you ask) that's all I have |
| 11:24.28 | tls_81 | moshii: the drive works... It's clearly the spin down that causes problems... |
| 11:24.40 | moshii | tls_81: i have about 1TB of lacie drives that work perfectly |
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| 11:25.02 | tls_81 | will go and get a lacie one then... |
| 11:25.10 | basanta | basanta, wonders where is the helping attitude |
| 11:25.43 | themill | basanta: we don't care how new or not you are. We need to know what you want the software to do? Do you want it to download the transaction lists? do you want it to keep accounts? do you want it to transfer all of your money to me? do you want it to rob the bank? do you want it to make you a cup of coffee? If you don't give us a list of requirements, how are we supposed to recommend anything. You have to cooperate with us if you want our help. |
| 11:25.48 | moshii | tls_81: but their the sort of thing produced by some generic compan a |
| 11:26.07 | moshii | tls_81: company and then branded by the likes of iomega |
| 11:26.16 | moshii | tls_81: - |
| 11:26.33 | basanta | themill, ok I want to transfer money can you give me the name now |
| 11:27.03 | geo-rge | basanta: if you are seen helping yourself for awhile (hint: I have not seen that yet at all) then we'll get the idea you're actually willing to PARTICIPATE in learning |
| 11:27.37 | tls_81 | moshii, so might not be same as yours... might see if wrting a cron with a simple write file + rm file might stop it from spining down...? |
| 11:27.49 | geo-rge | but right now you're saying: "just give it to me"... to which I would reply "are you prepared to pay my rate?" |
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| 11:29.44 | moshii | tls_81: what brand is the one you have now? |
| 11:30.06 | tls_81 | it's the seagate free agent desktop disk not the pro model... |
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| 11:30.57 | tls_81 | moshii: just found a bit of info reading ... |
| 11:31.13 | geo-rge | at this point if you fail, you could always tell your boss "I don't know how to search the internet" |
| 11:31.14 | moshii | tls_81: apparently you can use scsi utils on usb drives |
| 11:31.54 | tls_81 | so I could change the spin down timer? |
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| 11:32.06 | jelly | my bank has a web interface. I suppose it would be prudent to ask his bank for details |
| 11:33.12 | tls_81 | moshii think i found a solution... http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DealWithAutoSpinDownOnSeagateFreeAgent |
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| 11:33.24 | rvalles | I need to unpack a debian package |
| 11:33.32 | rvalles | tar doesn't unpack it... what do I need? |
| 11:33.36 | geo-rge | it |
| 11:33.39 | geo-rge | is a ar |
| 11:33.42 | rvalles | (I'm not on a debian) |
| 11:33.49 | geo-rge | so use ar |
| 11:33.55 | rvalles | ok, thanks |
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| 11:34.19 | geo-rge | (tried file whatever.deb yet? :) |
| 11:34.28 | moshii | tls_81: yeah, almost the same as something i just found |
| 11:34.36 | basanta | themill, hey what happened ?don't you want to make some money? |
| 11:34.38 | moshii | tls_81: :) |
| 11:34.43 | jelly | rvalles: there are 3 files in the ar. data.tar.gz (or .tar.bz2) contains the files that get installed |
| 11:34.45 | tls_81 | moshii: lol |
| 11:34.56 | tls_81 | seems am going to be able to keep it after all... |
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| 11:35.11 | chemist | tls_81: what make is the drive? |
| 11:35.26 | tls_81 | seagate freeagent desktop |
| 11:35.35 | tls_81 | it's the 320GB model |
| 11:35.48 | chemist | tls_81: ok, wait a second |
| 11:36.21 | tls_81 | chemist: k |
| 11:37.12 | rvalles | jelly: I needed to take outside the vmlinuz of a linux package. |
| 11:37.18 | rvalles | jelly: for my amiga to boot it... |
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| 11:38.20 | gonzo64 | hello! can someone help me with an installation problem? |
| 11:38.25 | chemist | tls_81: I think you need to include something like this in your rclocal http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DealWithAutoSpinDownOnSeagateFreeAgent |
| 11:38.39 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 11:38.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:38.56 | chemist | I know its for SLUG but I'm sure it applies to any debian system |
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| 11:39.06 | KriS83 | Hi |
| 11:39.12 | chemist | I did it on mine and I havent had a problem since |
| 11:39.13 | eth01 | does debian support SOAP? |
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| 11:39.36 | tls_81 | chemist: thx for your help, it's the same one that moshii and i found... |
| 11:39.41 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: okay. i want to installl etch on my note, wehn i strt the installation debian dont find a driver for ethernet... what can i do? |
| 11:39.45 | tls_81 | chemist: lol :-) |
| 11:39.50 | chemist | :) ok |
| 11:40.10 | chemist | I guess I came in to the conversation a bit late |
| 11:40.21 | capiira | hmmmm is there a way to zip split a file into more files on linux ? |
| 11:40.44 | jelly | rvalles: you also need the initrd image. |
| 11:40.53 | geo-rge | gonzo64: what cd did you boot? |
| 11:41.07 | jelly | eth01: depends on the language |
| 11:41.14 | rvalles | jelly: no, I do not. |
| 11:41.17 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: the net installation re1 |
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| 11:41.23 | rvalles | jelly: I've booted already just fine without the initrd junk. |
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| 11:41.59 | geo-rge | gonzo64: try this... don't config the net right now, just continue with the rest of the install |
| 11:42.09 | rvalles | now to install a package directly with dpkg |
| 11:42.14 | rvalles | it was dpkg -i whatever, right? |
| 11:42.30 | geo-rge | try dpkg --help |
| 11:42.43 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: i cant continue cause i use the nt installatio.. |
| 11:42.57 | geo-rge | I don't understa d |
| 11:43.02 | jelly | rvalles: good, I haven't worked with m68k (nor ppc32), but all the arches I've seen stuffed useful modules in initrd |
| 11:43.03 | geo-rge | what |
| 11:43.10 | geo-rge | is a nt installation |
| 11:43.37 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: i use a minimal cd for an internet installation |
| 11:43.50 | geo-rge | it should have the base packages on it |
| 11:43.54 | tls_81 | moshii: when trying to write to /sys/block/sda/device as root i get an permission denied error... any ideas? |
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| 11:44.14 | tls_81 | chemist: any ideas? |
| 11:44.29 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: but if i want to countinue it doesnt do anything... |
| 11:45.00 | geo-rge | how large is the cd image? did you burn it? |
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| 11:45.43 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: its 1 cd(ca 700mb) |
| 11:46.03 | geo-rge | so it's the first cd? |
| 11:46.27 | geo-rge | wait, this is three different stories |
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| 11:46.51 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: its a min bootable cd |
| 11:47.02 | geo-rge | how did you get it? |
| 11:47.15 | gonzo64 | from the debian web site |
| 11:47.36 | geo-rge | ok, so you made a purchase and they shipped you a cd? |
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| 11:48.08 | chemist | tls_81: i did this; sudo echo 1 >/sys/class/scsi_disk/0:0:0:0/allow_restart |
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| 11:48.58 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: no i downloaded it and i ve burnd it on a cd |
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| 11:49.05 | tls_81 | chemist do you have this drive aswell? |
| 11:49.06 | geo-rge | ok |
| 11:49.14 | sobersabre | is lenny testing or unstable ? |
| 11:49.16 | geo-rge | how large was the downloaded file? |
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| 11:49.18 | surrounder | testing |
| 11:49.21 | sobersabre | thanks! |
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| 11:50.06 | chemist | tls_81: yes |
| 11:50.18 | chemist | sorry the command I entered was sudo echo 'echo 1 > /sys/class/scsi_disk/0\:0\:0\:0/allow_restart' > /etc/rc.local |
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| 11:51.42 | tls_81 | chemist does it work fine now you have done this? cause I think I can still go and bring it back.. |
| 11:52.05 | themill | chemist: that will also wipe out the rc.local file which isn't necessarily desirable. |
| 11:52.14 | HuricaneHarry | chemist: that will overwrite your /etc/rc.local ! |
| 11:52.28 | gonzo64 | geo-reg: its one cd(ca700mb) |
| 11:52.31 | chemist | i'm running irssi and rtorrent on my slug at present for 6 days without a problem |
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| 11:52.49 | chemist | themill: I didnt have an rc.local before this |
| 11:52.50 | geo-rge | and how large was the downloaded file? |
| 11:53.34 | tls_81 | themill will be using >> |
| 11:53.43 | themill | chemist: lucky :) a debian distro normally includes that... |
| 11:53.58 | gonzo64 | 180 MB |
| 11:54.28 | themill | tls_81: if you already *do* have that file from the stock debian install, then that won't work as there will be an "exit 0" on the second last line... |
| 11:54.47 | chemist | themill: its because it didnt exist that I did it like that, should have thought about that first.. |
| 11:54.52 | geo-rge | ok, that sounds like a netinstall cd. it has the base on it. you do not need to configure the net at this time. at this point I think you should read the install guide |
| 11:55.14 | tls_81 | my install doesnt have a rc.local |
| 11:55.29 | geo-rge | probably does /at |
| 11:55.32 | geo-rge | err |
| 11:55.37 | themill | tls_81: then all is good ;) |
| 11:55.42 | geo-rge | probably doesn't need one :) |
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| 11:56.26 | tls_81 | chemist: when you do this in ur rc.local, does the drive work fine from then on or do you need to do something else? |
| 11:57.11 | chemist | tls_81: I rebooted the system, that was 6 days ago. Still going strong and no rw errors:) |
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| 11:58.54 | tls_81 | chemist: sweet |
| 11:59.35 | chemist | yes, I'd almost given up and taken it back to maplins |
| 11:59.59 | tls_81 | chemist how much did you pay for it? |
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| 12:00.20 | tls_81 | £59 |
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| 12:03.20 | chemist | £69 |
| 12:03.48 | chemist | they dropped the price after I bough tmine:( |
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| 12:11.06 | tls_81 | chemist: seems to be working, will tell you in 20 minutes or so... |
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| 12:11.12 | floyd_n_milan | hi |
| 12:11.56 | floyd_n_milan | i need some ipsec foo in the kernel.. how do i recompile the kernel with the patches applies? |
| 12:12.20 | floyd_n_milan | i want the stock debian config as the base and on top, the ipsec patches |
| 12:12.30 | floyd_n_milan | i know how to compile the kernel, i just don't know how to do it on Debian |
| 12:12.40 | floyd_n_milan | it'd be great if someone could point me to some documentation |
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| 12:15.53 | bolder | moin all |
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| 12:18.16 | wols | floyd_n_milan: get the debian kernel-source and use make-kpkg |
| 12:18.23 | wols | after you patched and configured it |
| 12:18.24 | DustyBin | could anyone recommmend a good debugger tool what can view memory and files and convert to ASM etc |
| 12:19.02 | floyd_n_milan | wols, yeah doing that, thanks :) |
| 12:19.44 | wols | !tell floyd_n_milan about kernel-package |
| 12:19.57 | wols | floyd_n_milan: it will give you a shiny new .deb you can install and especially unisntall if needed |
| 12:20.13 | DustyBin | in the old amiga days there was this little device called 'action replay' what plugged in the back and you could view memory with it etc |
| 12:20.34 | floyd_n_milan | wols, cool, thanks! |
| 12:20.43 | graytron | DustyBin: really? |
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| 12:21.12 | DustyBin | aye i was wondering what kind of linux tools were around what do the same job |
| 12:21.33 | wols | DustyBin: debuggers |
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| 12:31.27 | jonah | hi is there anyone that can please help me out. someone in here once kindly helped me, i need to install the rt61 driver, but it won't make on my system as i'm using elive not pure debian, elive is built on etch so all debs and stuff work though and no one in the elive rooms seems to be able to help me |
| 12:31.35 | jonah | i installed the headers and the kernel source |
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| 12:33.43 | jonah | but when i type make i get this: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-elive/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 12:33.43 | jonah | rt61.ko failed to build! |
| 12:33.43 | jonah | make: *** [module] Error 1 |
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| 12:34.39 | themill | jonah: built on debian != debian and this is the sort of problem that you get with that... :( |
| 12:36.18 | wols | jonah: we don't support elive |
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| 12:37.32 | avds | DBD: No driver for mysql -- any ideas what debian package contains the mysql driver for apache2.2 dbd? |
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| 12:37.51 | jonah | i know you don't guys but i just was really hoping someone might help anyway, i don't like to ask it's just i want to get my wireless working thanks if anyone can |
| 12:38.22 | tls_81 | chemist: seems to have fixed problem!! Thx for all your help ditto to moshii!!! |
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| 12:38.24 | wols | jonah: debian supports rt61 based cards via deb package and m-a |
| 12:38.28 | wols | that's all we can tell ayou |
| 12:38.30 | hark | avds: have you tried searching for it first? |
| 12:38.38 | avds | of course |
| 12:38.47 | avds | with apt-cache |
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| 12:39.13 | hark | avds: no results? ;) |
| 12:39.32 | avds | hark, come on |
| 12:39.43 | avds | hark, of course not, I wouldn't ask otherwise |
| 12:39.58 | jonah | wols, i know but for some reason i need the cvs legacy rt61, i've had this prob before with my card but on fedora i could make it from the driver |
| 12:40.26 | jonah | wols, i've got the right one downloaded and i've removed the old driver in synaptic, just need to make the module somehow |
| 12:40.37 | wols | good luck |
| 12:40.58 | themill | avds: apt-cache search mysql | grep apache |
| 12:41.02 | hark | avds: apt-cache search dbd mysql gives libdbd-mysql |
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| 12:41.19 | themill | avds: is this the one you want? libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 12:41.21 | avds | hark, that has nothing to do with apache unfortunately |
| 12:41.29 | avds | themill, no |
| 12:41.35 | avds | themill, this is deprecated |
| 12:41.44 | themill | true |
| 12:41.47 | avds | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authn_dbd.html |
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| 12:42.29 | harpal | how to make filesystem of one partition to ntfs from linux. |
| 12:42.50 | wols | there is no mkfs.ntfs afaik |
| 12:43.09 | wols | harpal: boot windows (maybe from a LiveCD) and do it from there |
| 12:43.44 | hark | avds: i see, mod_dbd? |
| 12:44.00 | harpal | wols: thanx |
| 12:44.18 | themill | avds: apt-file search mod_authn_dbd => apache2.2-common => you already have it ;) |
| 12:44.34 | ghatak | I have couple of servers which run websites and do DNS for a small school. i am leaving them however i want the guys in the school to be able to do some management tasks without having to do it on servers. I have the webfrontend planned out, however i can't figure out a way to actually execute stuff on remote servers. They only have ssh access, is there a safe way of doing what i am thinking of doing ? |
| 12:44.49 | themill | avds: or am I being *really* thick today? |
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| 12:46.12 | avds | themill, come on mod_auth_dbd works nice, it just doesn't find the mysql driver |
| 12:46.25 | avds | DBD: No driver for mysql |
| 12:46.28 | themill | avds: ah... I am being thick ;) that's fine... |
| 12:46.36 | avds | that's the error message from apache again |
| 12:48.07 | avds | but I hadn't apt-filed it yet -- seems it's entirely missing :S, only available from libdbd-mysql |
| 12:48.53 | avds | (that has nothing to do with apache unfortunately) |
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| 12:49.05 | avds | *sigh* |
| 12:49.08 | Spyro_boy | *sigh* |
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| 12:50.12 | themill | avds: that's a pity... I had been planning to use that for another project... hmmph |
| 12:50.21 | ghatak | I have couple of servers which run websites and do DNS for a small school. i am leaving them however i want the guys in the school to be able to do some management tasks without having to do it on servers. I have the webfrontend planned out, however i can't figure out a way to actually execute stuff on remote servers. They only have ssh access, is there a safe way of doing what i am thinking of doing ? |
| 12:50.30 | ghatak | damn, my scripts |
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| 12:50.34 | JamieT | my name is stephen douglas conn, last month I took a safest largest dose of rat poison you can poissibly take. and the largest safe does of TESTERONE you can safely take |
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| 12:50.37 | ghatak | i hate irssi |
| 12:50.41 | JamieT | to surpess my immune system fully |
| 12:50.44 | aisStar | Hello Everybody |
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| 12:50.46 | JamieT | and my HIV has no replicated. |
| 12:50.49 | JamieT | not* |
| 12:50.52 | JamieT | THIS IS NO JOKE |
| 12:50.57 | Spyro_boy | ... |
| 12:51.00 | Spyro_boy | what the fuck? |
| 12:51.23 | Spyro_boy | I almost thought I was in #myg0t for a second. |
| 12:51.26 | aisStar | Is there anyone that can answer me about request tracker configuration? |
| 12:51.39 | Spyro_boy | that's pretty embarassing... if I may add. |
| 12:51.49 | Spyro_boy | aisStar, not sure what that is, sorry. |
| 12:51.53 | JamieT | how is it embarassing. big deal. i have HIV |
| 12:51.57 | aisStar | when I create ticket it should send mail to creator & CC person. |
| 12:52.00 | JamieT | its not going to kill me |
| 12:52.04 | Ronin | not that we care JamieT |
| 12:52.04 | hark | avds: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405773 |
| 12:52.04 | JamieT | i have a monkey protein |
| 12:52.08 | aisStar | but its only creator that got the mail |
| 12:52.10 | JamieT | sure you dont. |
| 12:52.35 | JamieT | welp. this is the only time im going to advertise this |
| 12:52.47 | Ronin | JamieT: you mean spam it but whatever |
| 12:52.48 | JamieT | who knows.. am i the real steve conn anways? |
| 12:52.50 | Spyro_boy | JamieT, the way you put it out makes it look like a joke. |
| 12:52.59 | JamieT | i havent slept in a week |
| 12:53.07 | JamieT | no wonder |
| 12:53.21 | Ronin | Spyro_boy: it is a joke |
| 12:53.21 | JamieT | I was paranoid I was going to die |
| 12:53.34 | jonah | hi can anyone please help me install this driver please? |
| 12:53.42 | Spyro_boy | Ronin, whatever the case, this channel is supposed to be a bit more professional looking. |
| 12:53.42 | JamieT | OK what ever. Im going to do this under a controlled environment |
| 12:53.46 | JamieT | and show everyone |
| 12:53.56 | JamieT | they cant stop me from taking TESTosterone. |
| 12:54.00 | Spyro_boy | You never know what kind of people join here looking for Debian in both home and enterprise solutions. |
| 12:54.03 | Ronin | Spyro_boy: heh you need to log more then, its a nut house some days |
| 12:54.14 | Spyro_boy | Ronin, I have lots of logs. I tend to not look. |
| 12:54.17 | Ronin | JamieT: do you have a, never mind |
| 12:54.30 | Spyro_boy | rofl |
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| 12:54.37 | avds | hark, thanks |
| 12:54.39 | Ronin | jonah: #elive would be best |
| 12:54.57 | Speckal | can someone show me the debian way to install fglrx? |
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| 12:55.23 | jonah | Ronin, thanks but no one will respond in there and i have a cable across the house real awkward and my girlfriend will kill me when she's gets home haha |
| 12:55.39 | Ronin | jonah: well seeing you're not running debian theres not much we can really do |
| 12:56.19 | jonah | Ronin, can't you just check a few things to see if i've missed something, essentially it's debian... |
| 12:56.30 | Ronin | !based on |
| 12:56.30 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 12:56.51 | Ronin | so anything we do/suggest could make it worse |
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| 12:57.49 | themill | avds, hark: well, that sure puts a dampner on things, doesn't it. |
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| 12:58.17 | shamrock | Is anyone aware of any flaws in the 2.6.22-2 kernel source distribution? I have had to pull the unstable kernel and sources into my Lenny system but am unable to build the NVidia driver because of a kbuild error like this : *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686/scripts/Kbuild.include'. Stop. |
| 12:58.30 | avds | themill, indeed :( |
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| 12:59.59 | xlotlu | do i want to keep my journals on another drive? |
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| 13:07.59 | awk | anyone have a initram / grsec linux kern .deb files for me? |
| 13:08.04 | awk | just a generic kernel |
| 13:08.12 | awk | so I can just dpkg -i ..... reboot ? |
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| 13:08.51 | Octopssy | Anyone got a good ICQ Debian bash shell tool? |
| 13:09.01 | Octopssy | Which works fine and can be used proper in terminal? |
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| 13:13.20 | rmaj | wazup |
| 13:13.20 | x_link | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:13.30 | x_link | Isn't that how you reconfigure xorg? |
| 13:13.38 | x_link | Or am I wrong? |
| 13:13.47 | themill | !drxx |
| 13:13.47 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:14.12 | x_link | I was right then =) |
| 13:14.14 | x_link | themill: Thanks! |
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| 13:15.50 | bullgard4 | Before upgrading to Gutsy, should I uncomment the lines #49 and 50 in http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/15671/? |
| 13:16.05 | wols | Octopssy: centericq, bitlbee |
| 13:16.25 | predder` | bullgard4 - what is Gutsy? |
| 13:16.27 | wols | bullgard4: totally wrong channel |
| 13:16.33 | wols | predder`: a version of ubuntu |
| 13:16.41 | predder` | !ubuntu |
| 13:16.41 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:16.51 | Caelum | can you do dual screens in X with 2 video cards (one built in, one pcie) ? |
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| 13:17.26 | wols | Caelum: yes. but hand editing of xorg.conf is necessary |
| 13:17.53 | Caelum | wols: awesome, thank you |
| 13:17.59 | predder` | Caelum, I've seen it done with two seperate video cards (one pci, one pci-e) so I imagine the onboard should work unless your bios disables the onboard when it detects a video card |
| 13:18.09 | predder` | which I've heard of happening before |
| 13:18.20 | Octopssy | wols: centericq any recomendable? |
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| 13:18.43 | rmaj | that sucks |
| 13:18.59 | rmaj | fully reinstalling (after purge) the mysql server do not reset root access |
| 13:19.35 | themill | !forgot mysql root password |
| 13:19.36 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 13:19.48 | rmaj | themill: I know |
| 13:20.01 | rmaj | themill: still, one might hope that purging mysql would do that |
| 13:20.38 | themill | rmaj: one of the debconf questions for mysql is whether or not the database data should be purged as well as the config files.... the root passwd is in the database. |
| 13:21.50 | HuricaneHarry | imho it should restore the basic tables after asking.. |
| 13:22.03 | edistar_ | are there any DVB-S cards that work out-of-the-box or are easy to configure for debian(testing)? |
| 13:22.10 | rmaj | themill: I responded yes |
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| 13:28.09 | fiddleswrk | hey is it possible to get firefox working on debian |
| 13:28.17 | fiddleswrk | not a fan of iceweasel |
| 13:28.21 | themill | fiddleswrk: yes, aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 13:29.22 | fiddleswrk | ehh i dont wan iceweasel |
| 13:29.43 | hark | get it from mozilla then |
| 13:29.48 | themill | fiddleswrk: iceweasel is firefox with different icons and a different name. What more do you want? |
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| 13:29.53 | sep | fiddleswrk, you are ofcourse aware that the only difference in effect is the name |
| 13:30.39 | fiddleswrk | it not just the name |
| 13:30.57 | CrippsFX | hello, I'm running Debian Lenny on an Acer aspire 5610 ... it has an intel 945GM graphics card, and I installed the 915resolution package and turned on 'Option "RenderAccel" "true"' in the device section of my xorg.conf, but I still don't have direct rendering. Can somebody help me to amend this issue? P.S. kernel 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 13:30.59 | fiddleswrk | i need to connect to a wifi netowrk in school that authenticates aftr you connect |
| 13:31.12 | fiddleswrk | i need mozzilla |
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| 13:31.34 | sep | fiddleswrk, and the authscheme checks browsername ? and you havent bothered changing yours ? |
| 13:31.37 | sep | or what ? |
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| 13:31.57 | abrotman | CrippsFX: do you have the DRI section in your xorg.conf ? |
| 13:32.09 | CrippsFX | abrotman: just a moment, I shall go check. |
| 13:32.46 | CrippsFX | abrotman: apparently not. DRI stands for "Direct Rendering ....?" |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | !dri |
| 13:32.50 | dpkg | well, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 13:33.10 | k31th | guys wats the best way to find out what dir's have the most data in? i'm running low on disk space need to see where the bulk of the data is |
| 13:33.10 | CrippsFX | abrotman: thanks. if I can' solve my issue by reading that, I'll be back :) |
| 13:33.11 | abrotman | CrippsFX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. i believe there's a question bout DRI whne you do that |
| 13:33.22 | \amethyst | fiddleswrk: In Iceweasel, go to about:config, find the entry general.useragent.extra.firefox and change it to Firefox/2.0.0.6 . Then no one but you will know it's not Firefox |
| 13:33.23 | abrotman | k31th: ls | xargs du -sk |
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| 13:34.30 | k31th | thanks |
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| 13:37.55 | Speckal | after installing pkg-config (apt-get install pkg-config) how do I get programs that are already installed to install their respective .pc files? |
| 13:38.30 | Speckal | eg. glib-2.0 |
| 13:38.54 | \amethyst | Speckal: you don't need to do anything |
| 13:39.04 | \amethyst | Speckal: however, note that the .pc files are in the -dev packages usually |
| 13:39.09 | hark | install the -dev package |
| 13:39.30 | Speckal | to get .pc files, install dev packages? so, in this case, apt-get install glib-2.0-dev ? |
| 13:40.00 | \amethyst | Speckal: libglib2.0-dev |
| 13:40.26 | themill | fiddleswrk: or you can install the User Agent Switcher extension that lets you pretend to be anything you want. Including IE which is good for some very braindead sites. |
| 13:40.43 | Speckal | ah. ty :) |
| 13:40.44 | CrippsFX | abrotman: awesome, thanks. Turns out I didn't have libgl1-mesa-dri or libgl1-mesa-glx installed. |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | that will cause problems also :) |
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| 13:41.18 | hark | was going to suggest installing xorg :) |
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| 13:41.32 | CrippsFX | hark: :P |
| 13:41.35 | Speckal | I wish all the dev pkgs were installed with their binary counterparts |
| 13:41.38 | CrippsFX | abrotman: it sure would ;) |
| 13:41.39 | Speckal | it would save a lot of time |
| 13:41.49 | abrotman | Speckal: and waste a ton of space |
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| 13:42.02 | fiddleswrk | hmm but is there a way to get mozilla working in debian? |
| 13:42.14 | abrotman | there's iceape |
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| 13:42.48 | abrotman | fiddleswrk: if you want all the mozilla stuff .. go to mozilla.com and download it .. otherwise you're on your own .. debian ships numerous browsers that should work just fine |
| 13:42.57 | fiddleswrk | yah |
| 13:42.59 | fiddleswrk | i did |
| 13:43.10 | fiddleswrk | i have the firefox folder unpacked for the linux |
| 13:43.13 | fiddleswrk | on my desktop |
| 13:43.17 | fiddleswrk | but i dunno what to do with it |
| 13:43.21 | themill | !tell fiddleswrk about enter |
| 13:43.50 | themill | fiddleswrk: unbreak whatever that silly auth thing is that checks for it being a specific browser rather than the capabilities of the rendering engine. |
| 13:44.08 | fiddleswrk | well heres how it work |
| 13:44.31 | fiddleswrk | the wifi is unsecure of wep wpa/wsk or w.e |
| 13:44.42 | fiddleswrk | but when you open ur browser it asks u to type in ur student id |
| 13:44.47 | fiddleswrk | then u get access to the net |
| 13:44.52 | fiddleswrk | that dosent come up |
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| 13:45.29 | WP-Gast330 | hi |
| 13:45.33 | Speckal | I'd like to install the gif library, but I don't know exactly what to pass to apt-get. Is there a list I can search (grep -i gif) to find the proper name? |
| 13:45.37 | [Gabe] | hey guys..I am trying to find the debian package that has the serial comm program called tip, what's the best way to find it does anyone know the package? |
| 13:45.41 | WP-Gast330 | Gabe |
| 13:45.49 | themill | !tell Speckal about search |
| 13:45.54 | [Gabe] | Hi WP-Gast330 |
| 13:46.03 | Speckal | ty :) |
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| 13:46.16 | methan | your real name is gabriel, right? |
| 13:46.27 | [Gabe] | Nah |
| 13:46.43 | methan | why do you call yourself gabe then? |
| 13:46.51 | CrippsFX | because it sounds cool :P |
| 13:47.01 | Ronin | methan: because |
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| 13:47.27 | methan | gabe is the short form of gabriel |
| 13:47.27 | abrotman | fiddleswrk: ask on irc.mozilla.org |
| 13:47.28 | [Gabe] | just a pen name i picked up a long time ago |
| 13:47.46 | Ronin | methan: not necessarily but its just an irc nick too |
| 13:47.49 | methan | only a guy named gabriel can use this name |
| 13:48.04 | [Gabe] | can i lie and say im a gabriel? |
| 13:48.08 | Ronin | methan: that a law or something? |
| 13:48.12 | methan | only if you lie |
| 13:48.16 | abrotman | methan: do you have a question ? |
| 13:48.25 | methan | can I ask a question? |
| 13:48.53 | [Gabe] | someone help me find out if debian has a package that includes tip..heh |
| 13:49.00 | abrotman | [Gabe]: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:49.04 | themill | remote-tty ? |
| 13:49.12 | methan | can I ask a question? |
| 13:49.18 | themill | !just ask |
| 13:49.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:49.32 | methan | what question shall I ask? |
| 13:49.37 | xand | !ops methan trolling |
| 13:49.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: methan trolling |
| 13:49.48 | [Gabe] | themill: let me check that puppy..you think tip is included in that package? |
| 13:49.58 | methan | im not trolling |
| 13:50.02 | xand | methan: you forgot to say "why" a million times. |
| 13:50.02 | abrotman | there is no *bin/tip$ in etch |
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| 13:50.17 | kloeri | methan: just ask your question |
| 13:50.17 | methan | xand: why did I forget that? |
| 13:50.20 | abrotman | [Gabe]: what does tip let you do ? |
| 13:50.27 | [Gabe] | themill: oh damn, you may be onto something here |
| 13:50.28 | methan | what question shall I ask, kloeri? |
| 13:50.31 | themill | [Gabe]: tip itself is not in there, but something close to tip is, according to the package description |
| 13:50.48 | azeem_ | methan: if you do not have any Debian question, please either leave or stay quiet |
| 13:50.49 | [Gabe] | abrotman: serial tty for consoling into routers |
| 13:50.53 | Ronin | methan: do you have a debian related question? |
| 13:50.54 | themill | methan: either ask a debian related question or leave. |
| 13:50.54 | [Gabe] | minicom is terrible |
| 13:50.58 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:51.00 | kloeri | methan: don't ask if you can ask a question, just ask your question.. |
| 13:51.00 | azeem_ | methan: this is not a general chat forum, this is a support channel |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | [Gabe]: minicom and kermit are available |
| 13:51.13 | methan | what question shall I ask? |
| 13:51.21 | [Gabe] | abrotman: tip is so much better though..heh |
| 13:51.24 | azeem | methan: this is your last warning |
| 13:51.28 | abrotman | [Gabe]: i'm just giving you options |
| 13:51.29 | [Gabe] | gonna isntall this and see what its like |
| 13:51.35 | kloeri | methan: you should just be quiet if you don't have a question I guess |
| 13:51.43 | methan | kloeri: why |
| 13:51.50 | azeem | 15:48 < azeem_> methan: this is not a general chat forum, this is a support channel |
| 13:52.09 | my007ms | how i can search with apt-get |
| 13:52.19 | methan | why do you call yourself azeem? |
| 13:52.21 | xand | !search |
| 13:52.21 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 13:52.31 | [Gabe] | themill: i believe you are a genius sir |
| 13:52.37 | methan | sir yes sir |
| 13:52.43 | methan | us army |
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| 13:53.00 | azeem | methan: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 13:53.04 | themill | [Gabe]: all I did was: apt-cache search serial|grep tip |
| 13:53.05 | themill | thanks, azeem. |
| 13:53.12 | Nyle | is that china? |
| 13:53.13 | Speckal | I'm using Xorg (not X11). Do I still want libx11-dev for Xorg devel files? |
| 13:53.16 | Nyle | .ch |
| 13:53.19 | azeem | methan: please try to contribute to this channel in a more productive way in the future |
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| 13:53.39 | my007ms | i try apt-cache search chkconfig |
| 13:53.41 | Nyle | Speckal: yes |
| 13:53.55 | my007ms | but i still can not find what pkg is chkconfig come with |
| 13:54.13 | abrotman | try apt-file |
| 13:54.27 | kloeri | Nyle: no, switzerland |
| 13:54.31 | Nyle | ah |
| 13:54.31 | CrippsFX | heh .. on my laptop I can save a whole 1/2 hour of battery life just by using linux instead of windows vista :D |
| 13:54.41 | abrotman | my007ms: but i odn't think it exists in debian |
| 13:54.44 | kloeri | Nyle: china is .cn |
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| 13:54.51 | Nyle | thats weird, hmm |
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| 13:55.14 | my007ms | abrotman, and how i check service ?? i don't find setuptool also |
| 13:55.21 | abrotman | check service for waht? |
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| 13:55.55 | my007ms | i need make sure that ssh server will run after server reboot |
| 13:56.17 | simonrvn | !redhat tool |
| 13:56.21 | simonrvn | !redhat tools |
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| 13:57.10 | abrotman | !rh tools |
| 13:57.15 | my007ms | :) |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | oh bull |
| 13:57.24 | simonrvn | !red hat tools |
| 13:57.25 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; etc |
| 13:57.25 | Nyle | simonrvn: quick, french toast or omelet? |
| 13:57.34 | abrotman | my007ms: is there a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh or similar ? |
| 13:57.36 | simonrvn | french toast always wins |
| 13:57.52 | Nyle | cool |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | where's mine? |
| 13:58.54 | my007ms | abrotman, i add it to my rc.local |
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| 13:58.56 | simonrvn | philly's a little far, make it yourself ;) |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | my007ms: why? that makes NO sense |
| 13:59.13 | simonrvn | my007ms: why did you do that? |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | my007ms: is there a symlink iun /etc/rc2.d/ for ssh or not ? |
| 13:59.26 | Speckal | is there a simple way to make a .deb file from a source build (replacing 'make install' with 'create-a-package; install-from-that-package' |
| 13:59.32 | acotn | Hello. I want to swap my caps lock key and my control key. How can I do this? |
| 13:59.36 | my007ms | yes there is but i need something to mange my service |
| 13:59.44 | abrotman | my007ms: update-rc.d |
| 13:59.47 | azeem | Speckal: dh_make does most of it in a very crude way |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | acotn: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 13:59.54 | my007ms | i don't even have sysvconfig |
| 13:59.58 | simonrvn | Speckal: doesn't quite work that way, but that's pretty much how packages are made |
| 13:59.59 | abrotman | this isn't RH |
| 14:00.07 | simonrvn | my007ms: duh, of course not |
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| 14:00.14 | abrotman | if you want it to work like RH .. use RH .. if you want debian .. we can help you |
| 14:00.16 | acotn | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 14:00.47 | my007ms | :) i am new in debian |
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| 14:00.56 | \amethyst | Speckal: there's also checkinstall |
| 14:01.04 | acotn | A related question: Can I bind a key on my keyboard to act like a mouse button? |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | my007ms: okay .. so when i tell you to look in /etc/rc2.d/ .. that doesn't mean to put crap in rc.local |
| 14:01.07 | my007ms | and as u say if i need RH i will use RH but i need use debian |
| 14:01.09 | loevborg | Does anyone know how to find out whether the drives I use are PATA or SATA?+ |
| 14:01.20 | simonrvn | azeem: very crude... still gotta clean up the rules file, and make most of debian/ anyway |
| 14:01.23 | blackbart | I got a MySQL table with encrypted data, and when I select data from it (without decrypting) my terminal displays a bunch of funky boxes forever after (even if I exit mysql and return to shell). How can I fix or avoid this? |
| 14:01.30 | loevborg | WITHOUT opening the case :) |
| 14:01.30 | abrotman | my007ms: did you install openssh-server .. did you tell it to run when the system starts ? |
| 14:01.39 | my007ms | yes and it's run well |
| 14:01.41 | simonrvn | my007ms: then learn the debian way of doing things |
| 14:01.45 | abrotman | blackbart: try typing reset |
| 14:01.51 | my007ms | all i need make sure it will run next time after reboot |
| 14:01.58 | blackbart | abrotman, no help :-( |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | loevborg: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 14:02.03 | wols | loevborg: check the used controler for them |
| 14:02.14 | \amethyst | loevborg: hdparm -I might tell you |
| 14:02.16 | simonrvn | my007ms: answer abrotman's question then |
| 14:02.32 | Speckal | \amethyst: which way would you recommend. Since I'm on a distro with a package manager (and a very good one at that), I'd like to take advantage of it |
| 14:02.34 | wols | my007ms: RH uses sysvinit just like debian. so why are you even asking? |
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| 14:05.01 | Ronin | gee who didnt see that comming? heh |
| 14:05.36 | azeem | well |
| 14:05.38 | azeem | :) |
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| 14:05.50 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 14:05.58 | \amethyst | Speckal: checkinstall is okay, but it only builds binary packages, and the don't necessarily follow distribution policy.... If you want to really fit in, you should use the distribution tools to make your packages |
| 14:06.24 | \amethyst | Speckal: For Debian, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ might be of use |
| 14:06.34 | \amethyst | Speckal: no idea about building RPMs |
| 14:06.34 | Speckal | will read. thanks, \amethyst :) |
| 14:06.44 | Speckal | I don't care a bit about rpms |
| 14:06.49 | Speckal | never used them. never will |
| 14:07.59 | f3ttX] | Skiessi: |
| 14:08.07 | f3ttX] | I recommend not to use rpms |
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| 14:08.13 | Skiessi | why? |
| 14:08.37 | simonrvn | useless in debian... |
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| 14:08.58 | Newbies_deb | Help! I have one questiou about 70debconf, I think my configurations can be: |
| 14:08.59 | Newbies_deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.02 | Skiessi | and what's rpms? |
| 14:09.28 | simonrvn | Skiessi: redhat and related distros' packages |
| 14:09.29 | f3ttX] | Skiessi: it's a problem with the dependencies |
| 14:09.35 | Newbies_deb | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/bin/mount -o remount,rw,exec /tmp";}; ?? Correct |
| 14:09.36 | Newbies_deb | ?? |
| 14:09.55 | Skiessi | ok, I won't |
| 14:10.19 | Newbies_deb | I want exec mount before apt command |
| 14:10.22 | Newbies_deb | ? |
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| 14:10.40 | fabio_ | salve |
| 14:10.51 | fabio_ | scusate...qualcuno se ne intende di busybox? |
| 14:10.52 | Newbies_deb | oi Fabio |
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| 14:11.09 | f3ttX] | fabio_: salve come stai > |
| 14:11.31 | f3ttX] | fabio_: dimmi qualcosa |
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| 14:12.11 | Ronin | !it |
| 14:12.11 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 14:12.13 | fabio_ | i'm sorry....:D i thinked that this is italian channel :P |
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| 14:12.35 | f3ttX] | fabio_: cosa c'e ? |
| 14:12.39 | fabio_ | someone knows busybox? |
| 14:12.43 | Newbies_deb | :-) No problem |
| 14:13.03 | atoponce | what does it take to get a "logitech quickcam for notebooks deluxe" web cam working? i have the uvcvideo module loaded, but my system does not seem to be detecting it... |
| 14:13.15 | fabio_ | i would know if is possible to execute command in a busybox at startup |
| 14:13.37 | themill | atoponce: is it supported by qc-usb-source (package in debian) |
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| 14:14.05 | atoponce | themill: ok. then build that module and load it? |
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| 14:14.28 | fabio_ | i have a router...and everytime i reboot it i must connect via telenet and lunch a command... |
| 14:14.38 | themill | atoponce: iirc, aptitude install qc-usb-source qc-utils; m-a a-i qc-usb |
| 14:14.43 | acotn | Can I bind a key on my keyboard to act like a mouse button? |
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| 14:15.14 | lordrich | how is it decided which modules a Debian kernel includes? |
| 14:15.16 | F1r3B1rd | waasup u guys!!! |
| 14:15.37 | lordrich | the i686 kernels include traffic shaping modules but the cobalt kernel doesn't, and I'm wondering why |
| 14:15.51 | atoponce | themill: perfect. do i need to modprobe to install though? |
| 14:16.36 | fabio_ | anyone can help me? |
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| 14:17.34 | themill | atoponce: Possibly, but don't ask me what the module name is! /usr/share/doc/qc-* should tell you though. Plug/unplug and udev might pick out a module for you automagically. |
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| 14:18.52 | simonrvn | F1r3B1rd: the sky |
| 14:19.07 | Ronin | not if you belive chicken little simonrvn |
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| 14:19.36 | simonrvn | heh. luckily i don't |
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| 14:20.09 | sparrw | I have many small (credit card size) PDF documents. I would like to print them on a single sheet, laid out in a particular pattern (a perforated sheet of cards). Is there a tool to accomplish this? |
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| 14:21.42 | themill | sparrw: psnup or pdftk might be able to.... |
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| 14:23.33 | atoponce | themill: the module name is 'quickcam' and it's loaded, but it still doesn't seem to be recognized |
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| 14:25.09 | DeeTah | hiya... is there any channel for debian lenny? |
| 14:25.23 | Supaplex | yea, #debian |
| 14:25.33 | themill | atoponce: well, that's probably not the right module afterall then. :( Is there anything in dmesg when you plug/unplug? |
| 14:25.39 | Penix | better not ask lenny. he's pretty dumb |
| 14:25.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 14:26.03 | themill | atoponce: or a usb id that you can stick into google from lsusb .... |
| 14:26.06 | simonrvn | he's more immature than etch |
| 14:26.20 | atoponce | usbcore: registered new interface driver quickcam |
| 14:26.23 | DeeTah | is it normal that mp3s don't work in lenny's amarok? |
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| 14:26.41 | kspath | DeeTah: yes |
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| 14:26.50 | DeeTah | kspath: any way to fix it? |
| 14:27.04 | kspath | DeeTah: Talk to the people that own MP3 |
| 14:27.23 | DeeTah | awesome. |
| 14:27.26 | Nyle | DeeTah: libxine1-ffmpeg xxx.17 i believe doesn't contain mp3 demux |
| 14:27.34 | simonrvn | kline material --> uN{IQ}uE[18f] |
| 14:28.00 | Nyle | DeeTah: make sure you have this package installed and check the bts for this package |
| 14:28.22 | DeeTah | kay, thanks for a tip. |
| 14:28.24 | themill | atoponce: well that implies that it did find it and it's the right module. |
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| 14:29.51 | Supaplex | DeeTah: here's another tip. never pet a burning dog. |
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| 14:30.21 | DeeTah | Nyle: installing libmodplug0c2 actually helped... now just a whole rest of the problems... |
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| 14:31.03 | atoponce | themill: well, it looks like the system recognizes its presence, but it's still "Unknown" |
| 14:31.11 | atoponce | i guess i'll have some more googling to do |
| 14:31.18 | themill | atoponce: unknown in lsusb? |
| 14:31.23 | atoponce | yeah |
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| 14:31.51 | themill | update-usbids will solve that, hopefully |
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| 14:32.27 | themill | atoponce: but that's just a nicety... the important thing is actually getting the device to work ;) |
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| 14:32.56 | atoponce | themill: heh. exactly. update-usbids didn't help... :( |
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| 14:34.16 | themill | atoponce: oh well... did dmesg say anything about creating a new device in /dev? (and you have read everything in /usr/share/doc/qc-* by now, haven't you) |
| 14:34.42 | atoponce | themill: i have read /usr/share/doc/qc-* nothing too terribly great |
| 14:34.49 | atoponce | themill: as far as dmesg... |
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| 14:35.16 | atoponce | usb 5-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10 |
| 14:35.16 | atoponce | usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 14:36.34 | atoponce | Unkown (0x08d8) |
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| 14:37.39 | atoponce | ... ziyax parts/quits are getting a bit annoying |
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| 14:38.45 | rmaj | dondelelcaro: can debian fix the fked up xorg? |
| 14:39.04 | rmaj | the problem is that in split second there are like 100 queued events in X to given application |
| 14:39.18 | rmaj | which makes no sense.. it would be good to limit the length of X queue |
| 14:39.33 | Nyle | rmaj: you should probably address gravity |
| 14:39.43 | rmaj | Nyle: huh? |
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| 14:41.17 | DeeTah | is there any way to get polish version of iceweasel 2.0.0.7? |
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| 14:41.18 | themill | atoponce: I might have given you a bum steer about the "usbcore: registered new driver quickcam" message. I though that was from when you plugged in the device, but that's actually only from the modprobe :( |
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| 14:41.35 | atoponce | themill: np |
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| 14:41.52 | atoponce | can the ops do something about ziyax please? |
| 14:42.03 | themill | !ops ziyax's irc client is broken |
| 14:42.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: ziyax's irc client is broken |
| 14:42.12 | Nyle | hmm |
| 14:42.20 | Nyle | ignore join/part/quit |
| 14:42.21 | Nyle | ? |
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| 14:42.22 | Ronin | atoponce: /ignore joins parts |
| 14:42.52 | atoponce | i'd rather not. i like to see when i'm talking to someone that they've left so i don't look like idiotic |
| 14:42.55 | DeeTah | is there any way to get polish version of iceweasel 2.0.0.7? |
| 14:43.32 | wols | DeeTah: iceweasel-l10n-pl |
| 14:43.32 | themill | Ronin, Nyle: that's not a great solution for everyone though... |
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| 14:44.04 | Ronin | themill: perhaps but its not worth getting an @ for a join/part/join/part :) |
| 14:44.22 | DeeTah | wols: it's extremely outdated-iceweasel's 2.0.0.7 and the l10n's 2.0.0.4. |
| 14:44.32 | Ronin | at least not yet :) |
| 14:44.34 | themill | Ronin: true..... but the scrollback is now almost entirely full of part/join bounces. |
| 14:45.22 | wols | DeeTah: if you run sid or lenny you should know better |
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| 14:45.39 | DeeTah | yeah, but i just hoped it'd work. |
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| 14:47.07 | ruben_ | Hello, on debian woody I was used a tool not sure if was called 'rms' that tells you if you are using free software or not, somebody knows its name? |
| 14:48.39 | sepski | in etch i used x11vnc to get the actual screen display :0 remotely. does anything replace x11vnc in lenny ? |
| 14:48.46 | themill | ruben_: vrms |
| 14:49.06 | janemann | hi. i am trying to preseed etch (using either a nightly or the stable netinstaller). i simply can't figure out how to preseed the langauage, it seems he doesn't accept my kernel parameters: languagechooser/language-name=English countrychooser/shortlist=US |
| 14:49.28 | simonrvn | ruben_: vrms |
| 14:50.38 | simonrvn | themill: heh, didn't see your reply |
| 14:50.53 | themill | :) |
| 14:50.58 | sepski | janemann, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt tried setting the debian-installer/locale ? |
| 14:51.31 | janemann | sepski: hmmm, not yet :-) ... i'll try, thx... |
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| 14:53.45 | janemann | sepski: thanks a lot, it did the trick. |
| 14:53.50 | ruben_ | THANK YOU! |
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| 14:55.20 | Woet | where can i find sources.list ? |
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| 14:55.33 | themill | Woet: in /etc/apt/ |
| 14:55.35 | Ronin | Woet: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:55.42 | Woet | thanks |
| 14:56.30 | sepski | nobody that know what replaces x11vnc in lenny ? |
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| 14:56.52 | ruben_ | slummer & themill lots of thanks :) |
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| 15:01.32 | Soroush83 | I'm a newbie in linux and I'm using suse now |
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| 15:01.52 | Soroush83 | what should I learn to manage to migrate to debian? |
| 15:01.53 | Supaplex | Soroush83: and what brings you to #debian? |
| 15:02.16 | Soroush83 | I've heard debian has millions of packages so |
| 15:02.27 | Soroush83 | I don't need to download them one by one |
| 15:02.29 | Supaplex | it's a few less than that ;) |
| 15:02.36 | Supaplex | !netinst |
| 15:02.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 15:03.07 | Jessica | Hi folks. I just install D to an old dell laptop. This was my first debian install. my touch pad is SUPER SLOW! where can I change this setting? |
| 15:03.12 | Soroush83 | But somewhere was selling debian in 3 DVDs |
| 15:03.20 | Soroush83 | with a lot of pakages |
| 15:03.23 | Ronin | Soroush83: thats everything in debian |
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| 15:03.40 | Supaplex | Soroush83: if it's on dvd, it's obsolete the moment they're pressed. |
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| 15:04.03 | Supaplex | netinst is all you need to start (unless you're w/o internet access) |
| 15:04.04 | Soroush83 | eg. I needed something like dreamvewer but I havn't managed to get |
| 15:04.34 | Soroush83 | I've just been able to get windows version. It sucks to run with wine |
| 15:04.49 | Ronin | Soroush83: learn css and html ;) |
| 15:04.52 | Jessica | btw, i installed using netinst |
| 15:04.55 | Supaplex | and vim :) |
| 15:04.58 | themill | Soroush83: quanta |
| 15:05.21 | Soroush83 | I know css and html but it's difficult to create everything on my own |
| 15:05.45 | Soroush83 | I always forget to set many things at that time |
| 15:06.05 | Soroush83 | what's quanta? |
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| 15:06.26 | Supaplex | Soroush83: http://packages.debian.org/quanta |
| 15:07.23 | Soroush83 | Supaplex, do you totally recommand me to migrate to debian at all? |
| 15:07.46 | Ronin | Soroush83: of course we do |
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| 15:07.59 | Supaplex | we're not biased at all. *cough* |
| 15:08.21 | Supaplex | Soroush83: if suse just isn't your style, then it's time to switch, right? |
| 15:08.24 | Ronin | well maybe a bit |
| 15:08.45 | Soroush83 | :) and this room is more public than suse but how much do I need to know |
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| 15:08.50 | Soroush83 | about command line |
| 15:08.51 | Soroush83 | ? |
| 15:09.13 | Muninn | Hi all |
| 15:09.19 | Soroush83 | I've heard more command line is needed in debian |
| 15:09.22 | Ronin | Soroush83: the more the better to be honest, but i started out almost totally on X and now its a fairly even split |
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| 15:10.12 | Supaplex | Soroush83: knowledge of the commandline is a good linux staple. I've run into things yast doesn't accomidate for (though it's more indepth than say webmin) |
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| 15:10.47 | Soroush83 | Ronin, can you show me sw I see what I should learn first? |
| 15:10.50 | DeeTah | where does apache2 keep its config files? |
| 15:11.07 | Supaplex | DeeTah: /etc/apache2 |
| 15:11.09 | Soroush83 | and can I have debian and suse simultanuosly on my computer |
| 15:11.36 | DeeTah | Supaplex: how come whenever i update the configs placed there, nothing happens? |
| 15:11.41 | Supaplex | Soroush83: yea, it might take a little planning. is your /home on its own partition? |
| 15:12.06 | Supaplex | DeeTah: and you restart the webserver after? (or reload in some cases) |
| 15:12.06 | Soroush83 | no. I have a seperate partition for /home |
| 15:12.12 | DeeTah | Supaplex: yah. |
| 15:12.19 | Soroush83 | and It's so giate |
| 15:12.23 | Soroush83 | giant |
| 15:12.41 | Supaplex | DeeTah: this falls into the "don't work" category... what are you changing? (be specific) |
| 15:12.45 | Soroush83 | I can shrink it to 1GB and |
| 15:12.59 | Soroush83 | and use the other 9GB for debian |
| 15:13.07 | mytoulonnaise | When installing debian and I am prompted for the ftp/http site where packages are stored I need to enter the proxy information. Normally after a period of time I am prompted for a username and password. Can anyone help me with the syntax? The basic format is http:/user:pass@host:port and I http://40.1.1.1 waterhouse\username password |
| 15:14.05 | DeeTah | Supaplex: DocumentRoot. the /apache2-default/ suffix irritates me. |
| 15:14.09 | Supaplex | mytoulonnaise: #debian-boot on oftc (irc.debian.org) should be more familar with that. |
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| 15:14.33 | mytoulonnaise | Supaplex, thanks |
| 15:15.56 | Supaplex | DeeTah: |
| 15:15.57 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.04 | Supaplex | supaplex@armada:/etc/apache2$ cat sites-available/default |
| 15:16.28 | cydork | mytoulonnaise: what did you enter as the url? the basic format is correct http://user:pass@host:port |
| 15:16.46 | DeeTah | Supaplex: lool! never knew of that. thanks a lot! ;D |
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| 15:17.03 | wfq | Hi guys |
| 15:17.06 | Supaplex | DeeTah: grep -ril is your friend :) |
| 15:17.37 | DeeTah | -ril? never heard of those switches |
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| 15:18.19 | mytoulonnaise | cydork, waterhouse\username on the first line and my pasword on the second line. I also see http://40.1.1.1 displayed above dialog box |
| 15:19.33 | wfq | How could I know if a System Load is high regarding something?.I mean How I can know if a 40 is to high when the average is behind 3-6 |
| 15:20.04 | wols | wfq: load avg fro "uptime" is motly useless imho |
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| 15:20.58 | DeeTah | Supaplex: by the way, maybe you know why sudo ignores its configs aswell? ;x |
| 15:21.08 | Supaplex | wfq: street smarts. if it's 10x your cpus/cores, you're in for some hurt |
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| 15:21.13 | sid | Where can I order wireless minipci chipset for my debian laptop? |
| 15:21.20 | sid | I want to make sure it's compatible. |
| 15:21.21 | Supaplex | DeeTah: ala visudo? |
| 15:21.36 | DeeTah | Supaplex: oh wait, my bad. |
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| 15:21.53 | DeeTah | sorry for bothering you. now only the timezone problem and i'm done ;) |
| 15:22.08 | Supaplex | !tzconfig |
| 15:22.08 | dpkg | hmm... setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 15:22.45 | DeeTah | thanks, it's gonna help. |
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| 15:25.05 | acotn | Can I bind a key on my keyboard to act like a mouse button? If so, how? |
| 15:25.28 | DeeTah | deathplanter-PC:/usr/bin# hwclock --systohc |
| 15:25.28 | DeeTah | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 15:28.16 | rmaj | so, how about fixing fucked up xorg with a debian patch? |
| 15:28.16 | glen_quagmire | for mirror/backups, do you use rsync? or is there a better tool? |
| 15:28.25 | rmaj | does Debian fix for upstream errors also? |
| 15:28.26 | cydork | mytoulonnaise: what do you mean by second line?? |
| 15:28.49 | rmaj | glen_quagmire: rsync seems fine... for lots of text files - svn (versioning ssytem) |
| 15:28.54 | simonrvn | acotn: you using a mac ppc? |
| 15:29.09 | glen_quagmire | alright |
| 15:29.20 | acotn | simonrvn: No, I'm using an intel box. |
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| 15:30.01 | mytoulonnaise | There are two lines in the dialog window that pops up every four hours during the day to allow internet access. The first line is where we enter waterhouse\username and the second line is where we enter our windows password |
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| 15:31.00 | simonrvn | acotn: that's going to be more difficult then, and i'm not sure how without doing some weird-ass hacking. try with xmodmap maybe *shrug* |
| 15:31.09 | cydork | mytoulonnaise: so your proxyline is http://waterhouse:password@servername |
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| 15:31.36 | cydork | mytoulonnaise: make that http://waterhouse:password@servername:port/ |
| 15:31.46 | mytoulonnaise | cydork, where does the http://40.1.1.1 figure in? |
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| 15:32.20 | acotn | simonrvn: I'll have a look. Thanks. |
| 15:32.22 | cydork | mytoulonnaise: that is your proxy server.. so replace the servername with that. |
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| 15:33.37 | mytoulonnaise | cydork, would I include the proxy server in the line http://waterhouse:password@servername:port/? |
| 15:34.03 | cydork | mytoulonnaise: like this http://waterhouse:password@40.1.1.1:port |
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| 15:34.42 | mytoulonnaise | cydork, okay, I get that. What port should I use? Is there a default one? |
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| 15:35.18 | cydork | mytoulonnaise: you should know what port you use. check your internet settings or something. or Call your system admin. |
| 15:35.53 | mytoulonnaise | cydork, Thanks. I will try it |
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| 15:37.36 | dto` | hello. |
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| 15:38.20 | dto` | i am looking around for ways to install a low-latency patched kernel for audio work on debian etch. is there really no prepackaged version available? |
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| 15:39.23 | vnWrK | hi, how can I disable anything ipv6 on my eth0? |
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| 15:39.59 | vnWrK | proftpd is getting me pulling my hair off with this : - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'nostalgeek.net' error: Name or service not known |
| 15:40.00 | h3sp4wn | dto`: Not in Debian |
| 15:40.24 | h3sp4wn | dto`: The issues with it iirc is that the kernel won't do security support for it |
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| 15:40.58 | h3sp4wn | dto`: *kernel team (and its very highly patched) perhaps you could use a 64 studio one from when they were based on etch (think they use lenny now) |
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| 15:44.30 | dto` | h3sp4wn: ok. i will just figure out how to make a deb from the patched kernel. (/me is new to debian) |
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| 15:45.19 | cydork | !tell dto` -about kernel-package |
| 15:45.35 | maxamillion | anyone know if aptitude has an equivalent command to apt-get's dselect-upgrade option? |
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| 15:46.33 | maxamillion | i did a "dpkg --set-selections < packagelist.txt" and the only command i can seem to find to make this useful belongs to apt-get ... but i have always run aptitude and i have already installed packages on this machine using aptitude ... and i would really rather not mix package managers |
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| 15:47.27 | hark | maxamillion: use something like /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 15:47.55 | maxamillion | hark: thanks |
| 15:48.12 | valdyn | dto`: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:48.14 | valdyn | !kp |
| 15:48.14 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 15:48.42 | maxamillion | hark: will it hurt that i already did "dpkg --set-selections < packagelist.txt" ? |
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| 15:48.59 | valdyn | vnWrK: blacklist or delete the ipv6 module |
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| 15:49.34 | vnWrK | how? |
| 15:49.41 | valdyn | vnWrK: how what? |
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| 15:51.04 | vnWrK | how do I stop a module? |
| 15:51.08 | maxamillion | hark: is there anyways i can reverse the dpkg --set-selections? |
| 15:51.10 | vnWrK | I found how to remove it |
| 15:51.20 | peterS | you can't remove the ipv6 module |
| 15:51.23 | valdyn | vnWrK: what did you find? |
| 15:51.25 | peterS | and you can't "stop" a module at all |
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| 15:51.45 | Juanjo-sfe | hi |
| 15:51.49 | valdyn | vnWrK: considering that you cant modprobe -r ipv6.. what did you find? |
| 15:51.51 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 15:51.52 | peterS | I mean if you try rmmod ipv6 it will just fail. because the guys doing the linux network stack chose not to bother supporting module removal |
| 15:51.57 | Juanjo-sfe | could you tell me if there is an xsd editr in debian? |
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| 15:52.19 | peterS | what does xsd mean? |
| 15:52.37 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 15:52.37 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 15:52.43 | hark | maxamillion: not sure |
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| 15:53.10 | vnWrK | valdyn: well I found rmmod but its the same thing, FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use. |
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| 15:53.24 | valdyn | vnWrK: you should never use rmmod |
| 15:53.29 | vnWrK | ah? |
| 15:53.32 | peterS | valdyn: whyever nto? |
| 15:53.34 | peterS | not? |
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| 15:53.44 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 15:53.44 | dpkg | i heard rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
| 15:53.50 | peterS | valdyn: yeah but why not? |
| 15:54.04 | vnWrK | because dpkg says it |
| 15:54.08 | silent[ca] | hey guys, I'm having a lot of trouble getting my wireless to connect to my university's network. What connection options would be closest to mimicking the behaviour of the windows connection manager? |
| 15:54.10 | peterS | I use rmmod all the time, if there's a reason to avoid it, I'd like to know |
| 15:54.16 | valdyn | peterS: no idea, maybe i forgot, maybe i never knew |
| 15:54.24 | valdyn | peterS: maybe you are qualified to use it properly |
| 15:54.27 | peterS | I mean, I know about modprobe -r, but it's a lot more typing |
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| 15:55.07 | peterS | and yes, I did stop using insmod a few years ago (: |
| 15:55.30 | hark | because it removes unused dependencies of that module as well? |
| 15:55.53 | vnWrK | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 15:55.53 | dpkg | blacklist-initramfs is, like, If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 15:55.53 | valdyn | peterS: i know why insmod is ugly, that is all |
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| 15:56.02 | Ozux | Hi every one, What's Kernel Source package name in Etch? Is there Kernel sorce in the Etch Binary DVD's? |
| 15:56.23 | vnWrK | I have to reboot to apply blacklist stuff? |
| 15:56.27 | peterS | Ozux: the package names start with linux-source- so do a search on that |
| 15:56.30 | valdyn | peterS: i *think* rmmod will not process /etc/modprobe.d/ stuff |
| 15:56.38 | Ozux | peterS, TNX alot |
| 15:56.45 | lclimber | hello, i have egroupware installed on dbeian sarge, i am having a little problem though, i can't upload files larger than 3 MB even though i set on php.ini 12 Mb for file size upload, is there any other file that i should check??????? the thing is that the file is aparently uploaded, but when i send the mail, it arrives to my inbox folder without the attachment |
| 15:56.48 | peterS | valdyn: why should it? what information from /etc/modprobe.d is useful for module removal? |
| 15:57.35 | valdyn | peterS: see manpage of modules.conf "remove modulename command" |
| 15:58.17 | peterS | surely you don't mean modules.conf, that is from the old (kernel 2.0 -> 2.4) modutils |
| 15:58.34 | valdyn | peterS: modprobe.conf |
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| 15:58.41 | peterS | (well, 1.3 -> 2.5, I suppose I should say, modules were introduced in the 1.3 development cycle) |
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| 15:58.47 | valdyn | peterS: yea |
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| 15:59.37 | valdyn | now i dont actually have any instance of 'remove' in /etc/modprobe.d/, but i guess there could be |
| 15:59.48 | peterS | valdyn: ok I see the section. I don't think I'm using anything of that nature in my modprobe.d |
| 15:59.58 | valdyn | peterS: aye |
| 16:00.14 | peterS | good to know why people recommend modprobe -r nowadays though |
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| 16:05.03 | theron_work | how do I correct: FATAL module loop not found? |
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| 16:06.10 | themill | peterS: if you're using things like ipw3945 then modprobe -r also stops the regulatory daemon which means you don't get very confused hardware. |
| 16:07.21 | Dantix | hi all, I'm looking for an advice... I'm looking for the best distribution to load as desktop OS, because hardware detection, worked desktop interface and application shipped.... |
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| 16:10.00 | Dsjacocr | hello anyone knows how to install Debian 4.0lastest one with SATA hdd , with via8237a ? |
| 16:10.26 | wols | you put in the CD and reboot |
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| 16:11.14 | TheInfinity | anyone here who knows something about kolab (and its problem with 64bit)? |
| 16:11.42 | Dsjacocr | wols: its not detecting the VIA Sata controller |
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| 16:19.19 | valdyn | Dantix: debian is obviously best if you ask here, 'desktop distro' is nearly as vague as it can get. |
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| 16:21.21 | Dantix | valdyn: may be I'm missused the word 'distro', I mean a cd with all in it, like knoppix but with a better gui |
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| 16:22.22 | HardDisk_WP | how can I split a AVI so that it fits exactly on a 700MB CD? |
| 16:22.50 | _prsr_ | hmm, what was the name of that tool that "guesses" the partitions on a disk that is missing it's partition table? |
| 16:22.56 | avoine | Someone know what the ^ do in apt-get? i.e apt-get install minimal^ |
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| 16:25.12 | avoine | _prsr_: it's gpart |
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| 16:25.57 | _prsr_ | thx avoine! |
| 16:26.19 | jeward | On one out of 220 servers, I'm having a problem upgrading the kernel. |
| 16:26.32 | jeward | It's trying to install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:26.58 | zoredache | jeward: and the error message is? |
| 16:27.04 | jeward | Let me pastebin it. |
| 16:27.22 | seanp2k | question: I have a device called "wifi0" when I do an ifconfig or iwconfig and i do not own a wifi0. how do i get rid of this? |
| 16:27.31 | dto` | i'm trying to make a patched kernel with make-kpkg and it's telling me i have no .config file. my command line is this: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --initrd --added-patches ../patch-2.6.22.1-rt9 kernel-image |
| 16:27.34 | Blackgoth | hello thar |
| 16:27.48 | Blackgoth | is it just me, or is mail missing in debian etch? |
| 16:27.49 | jeward | http://pastebin.com/m23acc515 |
| 16:28.28 | jeward | zoredache: Did you see the pastebin URL? |
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| 16:28.43 | dto` | i want it to patch the kernel and then run menuconfig |
| 16:29.07 | themill | Blackgoth: package mailx |
| 16:29.20 | Blackgoth | thnx :) |
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| 16:30.08 | seanp2k | anyone? phantom "wifi0" device, want to get rid of it |
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| 16:30.45 | jeward | Can anyone help me with this kernel upgrade problem: http://pastebin.com/m23acc515 |
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| 16:31.25 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am looking for a client for torrent that is efficient as deluge but can run in text mode |
| 16:31.27 | Blackgoth | jeward: you did try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 ? |
| 16:31.34 | valdyn | jeward: aptitude install grub |
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| 16:31.37 | jeward | Blackgoth: Trying that now. |
| 16:31.51 | Blackgoth | or a reboot after the last kernel upgrade? |
| 16:32.13 | linux_jones | how does one go about installing opengl? |
| 16:32.21 | jeward | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 is broken or not fully installed |
| 16:32.38 | Blackgoth | jeward: apt-get -f install |
| 16:32.47 | jeward | valdyn: How on earth did grub get uninstalled? |
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| 16:33.05 | valdyn | jeward: no one said its uninstalled |
| 16:33.15 | valdyn | jeward: the file /usr/sbin/update-grub is missing |
| 16:33.20 | jeward | valdyn: Well, that fixed it. |
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| 16:33.44 | valdyn | jeward: so it was uninstalled, no idea why. You should know |
| 16:33.44 | jeward | valdyn: Just wonder how it "went missing"... |
| 16:33.56 | valdyn | jeward: you did it. |
| 16:34.03 | valdyn | jeward: not watching what aptitude did, maybe |
| 16:34.04 | Blackgoth | blame him! |
| 16:34.15 | Assid | okay |
| 16:34.18 | Assid | i got a weird issue |
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| 16:34.33 | jeward | valdyn: Hmm, okay, very possible when I'm upgrading 220 boxes in a day. :) |
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| 16:34.44 | themill | jeward: /var/log/aptitude should tell you |
| 16:34.56 | Assid | its a remote box.. i had the person run fsck.. it was giving him some issues.. so he CUT the process short.. NOW i get a kernel panic everytime it starts |
| 16:34.57 | jeward | Thanks all! |
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| 16:37.51 | _prsr_ | assid, when does it panic? |
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| 16:38.03 | Assid | not sure.. they just told me it panics |
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| 16:38.24 | _prsr_ | hmm, thats not very helpful then :/ |
| 16:38.34 | seanp2k | so i have this device called "wifi0" and it's just a duplicate of my "ath0" device, how do i remove this? |
| 16:38.36 | _prsr_ | your partition might still be unreadable |
| 16:39.44 | Assid | yeah i think thats the issue |
| 16:40.05 | Assid | cause he went to some older kernel just said root@ somenumber .. and i asked him to run fdisk -l |
| 16:40.09 | Assid | and he couldnt do that |
| 16:41.05 | _prsr_ | you might need it booted from cd/usb to run fsck from then |
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| 16:44.39 | jazzcat | hello. does someone know which package must I install to get java's rmic ? |
| 16:44.53 | jazzcat | i think it is suposed to be java-common, but it does'nt |
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| 16:49.12 | vin` | jazzcat: tried apt-file search? |
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| 16:50.44 | jazzcat | vin`:mmmm nop, hadn't heard about it. i will tr |
| 16:50.45 | jazzcat | try |
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| 16:53.44 | wols | !tell Dsjacocr about kmuto |
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| 16:55.25 | jazzcat | vin`: ok I have found it in some packets. But I have noticed that apt-file reports me about some packages I cannot find in my apt repositoroies (i.e: sun-javaX-jdk) |
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| 16:56.08 | dimgr | hi |
| 16:56.20 | dimgr | is there a problem ( broken package?) with capiutils? |
| 16:56.26 | dimgr | it fails to install |
| 16:56.59 | themill | jazzcat: their in non-free |
| 16:57.09 | themill | !tell jazzcat about install java |
| 16:58.18 | jazzcat | ok thanks. i will try with free implementations first |
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| 16:58.45 | xand | does the uw-imapd in debian not log to /var/log/mail or similar? :| |
| 16:58.57 | solid_liq | is there any reason to use the pae enabled xen hypervisor when I have 2GB ram? |
| 17:00.22 | themill | jazzcat: if your apt-file search didn't turn up the tool you wanted in the free implementations, then you may as well go straight to the sun java. java5 is in etch, java6 is on backports.org |
| 17:00.41 | valdyn | solid_liq: and no 64-bit capable cpu? |
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| 17:01.27 | jazzcat | themill : ok thank you a lot |
| 17:01.41 | themill | jazzcat: np :) |
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| 17:03.34 | theron_work | how do I correct: FATAL module loop not found? |
| 17:03.45 | valdyn | theron_work: you use a debian kernel |
| 17:04.07 | theron_work | valdyn: I believe I am. It's the xen kernel from the debian repos |
| 17:04.38 | valdyn | theron_work: ops, loop is compiled into debian kernels |
| 17:04.45 | valdyn | theron_work: when does that error show? |
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| 17:06.34 | theron_work | valdyn: so I'm trying to get more than 4 VMs running on my xen server. when I try to start the 5th, I get a Device 2049 (vbd) could not be connected. Failed to find an unused loop device |
| 17:06.56 | theron_work | valdyn: and when I modprobe loop I get the fatal error noted above. |
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| 17:07.21 | valdyn | theron_work: loop is already there, you dont need to modprobe it |
| 17:08.09 | valdyn | theron_work: see 'losetup -a' to list used loop devices. I don't know the limits |
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| 17:11.19 | theron_work | valdyn: any idea how one would change the # of loop devices then in debian? By default there are 8 loop devices created, and a xen domU uses x2 = 4 VMs total unless changes are made.. |
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| 17:11.45 | valdyn | theron_work: umm no |
| 17:12.08 | themill | theron_work: I have a vague memory that you have to rebuild the kernel |
| 17:12.49 | theron_work | themill: right, so there's already a xen kernel built for debian in the repo's why they left it at 8 loop devices I don't know. |
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| 17:13.36 | themill | theron_work: I know nothing about xen... but that sounds a little odd. Is there nothing in a readme.debian about it? |
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| 17:14.25 | uttara | How do upgrade the whole system to unstable. |
| 17:14.30 | theron_work | themill: checking now.... |
| 17:14.39 | themill | uttara: if you have to ask, you should not be trying it. |
| 17:14.56 | themill | uttara: unstable is not for people who can't figure such things out for themselves. |
| 17:14.58 | theron_work | themill: grrr. |
| 17:15.02 | h3sp4wn | theron_work: read the docs it tells you exactly how to fix this |
| 17:16.03 | h3sp4wn | theron_work: (It was the first thing I was told to change when I was messing with xen) |
| 17:16.13 | uttara | themill: Sorry. I wanted to know what I should be adding to my /etc/apt/sources.list file, so as to get access to unstable packages. |
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| 17:16.22 | theron_work | themill, valdyn,b3sp4wn: /etc/modprobe.d/local-loop |
| 17:16.22 | nacho_ | hi |
| 17:16.42 | Rospojke | I have a problem with a onboard soundcard that, eh, does not give me any sound. lsmod lists Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER as the soundcard (AC97). I have tried to google for about an hour, trying every trick with alsa and oss i could find. Any clues? |
| 17:16.59 | h3sp4wn | theron_work: I think I just used - loop max_loop=128 (or something) in /etc/modules |
| 17:16.59 | theron_work | themill, valdyn,b3sp4wn: I wonder why that's not a default config change in the kernel that debian is wrapping up for xen. |
| 17:16.59 | nacho_ | i have this problem when i try to install mysql-server package: http://rafb.net/p/0ez9rG73.html anybody know howto fix it? |
| 17:16.59 | themill | uttara: you know that you can't just install the unstable packages into stable, don't you? |
| 17:17.04 | theron_work | h3sp4wn: yeah I see it in the readme... |
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| 17:17.10 | theron_work | h3sp4wn: thanks.... |
| 17:17.35 | uttara | themill: No. The only problem is that I need emacs 22 (which is not available for stable) |
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| 17:18.43 | themill | uttara: then you'll have to do a backport of it to etch. I don't know how hard that is for emacs though. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:19.04 | h3sp4wn | uttara: Its not so simple though that (unless you make the package also provide emacs-snapshot) |
| 17:19.18 | zoredache | did you check backports.org? |
| 17:19.40 | h3sp4wn | uttara: otherwise you will end up with stuff not integrated properly (the external stuff anyway) |
| 17:19.43 | themill | zoredache: I did before I answered :) |
| 17:20.45 | uttara | Thanks everybody. I think backports would solve my problem. |
| 17:21.23 | zoredache | themill: ah... hrmphh... usually they have what I want... |
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| 17:21.52 | theron_work | themill, valdyn,b3sp4wn: If the loop device is already compiled in the kernel (and I'm seeing that it is) how do I append the string max_loop=128 to my kernel parameters? |
| 17:23.13 | dondelelcaro | theron_work: drop it into your boot loader's config file for that kernel |
| 17:23.20 | dondelelcaro | (or append it when you boot) |
| 17:23.20 | valdyn | theron_work: loop=max_loop=128, if you're lucky, in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:24.28 | theron_work | what line does it go on? |
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| 17:25.04 | theron_work | /boot/grub/menu.lst is there and I see the correct kernel line, however there are 2 module lines below it. |
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| 17:26.03 | mooper | !scp |
| 17:26.03 | dpkg | well, scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 17:26.48 | mooper | hhm would I use scp if I wanted to copy a file TO a remote host or is it meant for copying FROM? |
| 17:26.58 | dkr | either |
| 17:27.00 | themill | mooper: both |
| 17:27.01 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 17:27.03 | theron_work | valdyn, dondelelcaro = http://pastebin.com/d18fd7e93 |
| 17:27.19 | mooper | What is the syntax to copy to? |
| 17:27.35 | themill | mooper: it's always the same: scp source destination |
| 17:27.35 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 17:27.42 | dkr | mooper: you can even copy from a remote host to another remote host. :) scp boxone:file boxtwo:file |
| 17:27.42 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 17:27.44 | themill | RA3OR: go away |
| 17:28.31 | dkr | mooper: "what is the syntax" type questions are best answered by the man page |
| 17:28.31 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 17:28.52 | vnWrK | hi, how can I get proftpd's debian package without ipv6 support? |
| 17:28.52 | mooper | dkr, I looked at the man page but it wasnt so good |
| 17:29.04 | mooper | infact, Im looking at the man page now |
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| 17:29.31 | valdyn | theron_work: the line that contains 'kopt' |
| 17:29.35 | dkr | well, learning how to understand man pages is a skill you need to learn |
| 17:29.35 | mooper | I have trouble digesting man pages :) |
| 17:29.47 | mooper | slight dyslexia problem there |
| 17:30.15 | dkr | mooper: this is text, too! give me a break |
| 17:30.16 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 17:30.22 | themill | RA3OR: is there a debian related question we can help you with? if not, please be quiet |
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| 17:30.56 | theron_work | valdyn: got it thanks! |
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| 17:31.38 | stray | mooper: often, google is more helpful. "<subject> tutorial" in google is what I often use. |
| 17:31.55 | dkr | mooper: do you understand that stuff inside brackets are optional arguments? e.g. command [-arg] is an optional argument |
| 17:32.04 | mooper | themill I got there |
| 17:32.06 | dkr | -arg is optional, I mean |
| 17:32.30 | vnWrK | how can I get proftpd's debian package without ipv6 support? I'm told I have to recompile it without this support and there's no 1.3.1 in the repositories...I hate compaling something manually on debian |
| 17:33.03 | mooper | Im not so sure it is actually dyslexia.....I'm very creative, or so my mother says |
| 17:33.09 | mooper | :D ta chaps |
| 17:33.10 | dkr | if you look at the scp command options, you'll see that two file arguments are not optional ( a source and a destination), but in front of each of those you can optionally prepend a hostname, o r asuername in fornt of that |
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| 17:33.14 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 17:34.12 | dkr | we can't see you |
| 17:34.22 | unseensoul | Which package provides the Debian menu in the gnome menu (Applications)? |
| 17:34.25 | unseensoul | lol |
| 17:34.43 | unseensoul | yes, I know! You only can hear me :P |
| 17:35.26 | hark | unseensoul: it's already there, edit the menu to enable it |
| 17:35.31 | dkr | I tink individual packages add themselves... |
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| 17:37.29 | unseensoul | it's not there :S |
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| 17:38.00 | dailoom | unseensoul: enable it with alacarte or some other tool |
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| 17:42.44 | unseensoul | dailoom, how do I enable it if it doesn't exist? :S |
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| 17:44.04 | dailoom | unseensoul: but the package "gnome-menus" is installed |
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| 17:45.02 | unseensoul | dailoom, yes, it is |
| 17:45.44 | Jemt | Greetz. What encryption programs do you guys use for file encryption? I would like something simple yet secure - like creating a password protected ZIP file - just ... secure ;) |
| 17:46.25 | AVRS | Sometimes, keypresses like Ctrl-Alt-arrows or PgUp/PgDn repeat here. Why? That usually happened when switching desktops and using Mozilla Minefield. |
| 17:46.32 | hark | unseensoul: have you tried right clicking it and selecting "Edit Menus" ? |
| 17:46.54 | dailoom | unseensoul: then you have some manual work to do to extrakt and re-add it. and next time dont delete it :) |
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| 17:47.06 | AVRS | Now I see at http://www.virg0.org/v0blog/?page_id=212 that it happens in Firefox 2, Iceweasel 2, and Konqueror. So I guess it's because it's slow, and so the keypress is detected before it's dropped. |
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| 17:48.10 | AVRS | Did it happen to anybody else? |
| 17:48.59 | unseensoul | hark, yes I have |
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| 17:49.14 | hark | unseensoul: this of course assumes you have menu installed in the first place |
| 17:49.25 | unseensoul | dailoom, what do you mean? |
| 17:49.39 | unseensoul | hark, yes, but no sign of the Debian menu |
| 17:49.49 | hark | unseensoul: dpkg -l gnome-menus |
| 17:49.58 | AVRS | I only have one menu put on my panel. |
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| 17:52.14 | unseensoul | hark, ii gnome-menus 2.20.0-2 an implementation of the freedesktop menu sp |
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| 17:52.45 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 17:54.02 | |porta| | is there something wrong with the mirrors?? I've had this computer crap on 3 fresh installs saying different packages are unable to be downloaded. |
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| 17:55.19 | rdz | hi all.. this process: |
| 17:55.23 | rdz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.53 | rdz | is eating my cpu.. does anybody know what is running that command? and what for? |
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| 17:57.47 | hark | unseensoul: ok, that's sid. The debian menu was disabled in 2.18 in the Gnome menu. If you can't find it using alacarte, check if it's there in /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu and uncomment if commented there. |
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| 17:58.17 | Pete_B | I've uninstalled postfix so why is my server still saying "master[6307]: fatal: master_spawn: exec /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: No such file or directory"? |
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| 18:00.06 | Greyscale | How do I do a crontab every 6 hours? |
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| 18:01.15 | unseensoul | hark, I'll try...thank you for your help ;) |
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| 18:01.17 | Tramp | rdz: the dd is shoveling kernel log messages to a location where klogd can read and digest them |
| 18:01.19 | wols | Pete_B: purged it? |
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| 18:01.40 | Pete_B | wols: yeah |
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| 18:02.09 | wols | ps aux |grep master |
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| 18:02.16 | wols | aby naster oricess stukk rzbbubg= |
| 18:02.24 | wols | any master process still running? |
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| 18:03.02 | Pete_B | wols: root 21641 0.0 0.3 4832 1792 ? Ss Oct03 0:00 /usr/lib/postfix/master |
| 18:03.15 | S4nD3r | what software do you recommend to put togheter ps files ?? |
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| 18:03.59 | abrotman | you can use pdftk for pdfs |
| 18:04.16 | Pete_B | wols: I removed postfix because of an error that seemed to indicate postfix couldn't run in port 25 because something was already running on 25 |
| 18:04.24 | wols | Pete_B: it's not been stopped then |
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| 18:04.46 | Pete_B | wols; I've even rebooted after the purge |
| 18:05.11 | Cataphract | hey I'm getting this: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 18:05.14 | S4nD3r | pdfs to not exist |
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| 18:05.25 | Greyscale | How can I run a crontab every six hours? |
| 18:05.38 | Eulex | S4nD3r, ps2pdf? |
| 18:05.55 | S4nD3r | this exists! |
| 18:05.57 | S4nD3r | lol |
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| 18:06.16 | dkr | Greyscale: * */6 * * * |
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| 18:06.28 | dkr | Greyscale: man crontab :) |
| 18:07.15 | Greyscale | see, I tried that dkr and it ran minuitely |
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| 18:07.26 | dkr | oops |
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| 18:07.39 | dkr | you need to specify a minute of that every 6th hour to run also |
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| 18:07.48 | dkr | Greyscale: 17 */6 * * * |
| 18:08.11 | Greyscale | yay! |
| 18:08.13 | Pete_B | wols: thanks, I pkilled master, rebooted and it ain't returned |
| 18:08.14 | Greyscale | What is the 17 for? |
| 18:08.22 | dkr | the first would run at 12:00, 12:001, ... 12:59, 6:00, 6:01 ... |
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| 18:08.32 | Greyscale | haha, cool |
| 18:08.34 | dkr | now it will run at 12:17, 6:17, ... |
| 18:08.37 | Greyscale | OK, I'll try that |
| 18:08.45 | Greyscale | except at half past |
| 18:08.58 | dkr | nod, I just used random minute, the point is specifying a specifc one, :) |
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| 18:09.16 | fiddleswrk | is there a graphical interface for wlan? |
| 18:09.33 | Greyscale | wlan? |
| 18:09.48 | Greyscale | You mean a graphical wireless AP selectorisor? |
| 18:10.45 | S4nD3r | I didnt find any tool to concatenate PS files |
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| 18:11.16 | Supaplex | psmerge? |
| 18:11.30 | Supaplex | psmerge (1) - filter to merge several PostScript files into one |
| 18:11.40 | S4nD3r | let me see |
| 18:12.19 | fiddleswrk | greyscale: yes |
| 18:12.25 | CrippsFX | xawtv created the video devices for my webcam in /dev/.static/dev/ ... so I used a softlink (ln -s /dev/.static/dev/video0 /dev/video0) so that I could use my webcam, but I get the errors: "can't open /dev/video0: No such device" and v4l2: open /dev/video0: Permission Denied" ... how might I remedy this so that I can use my webcam? |
| 18:12.34 | Greyscale | fiddleswrk, networkmanager |
| 18:12.40 | Delfyn | if i want to set the timezone, non-interactively, in "the debian way", then shouldn't it be enough to: 1) make debconf itself non-interactive, 2) use debconf-set-selections to set the timezone I want, 3) call "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" to actually propogate the setting out of the debconf DB and into the filesystem? I seem to be missing a step here because although debconf-get-selections indicates that debconf-get-selections worked, after I call |
| 18:12.44 | Greyscale | its default installed with gnome these days |
| 18:12.48 | Greyscale | it does EXACTLY that |
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| 18:13.20 | fiddleswrk | im using xfce |
| 18:13.23 | fiddleswrk | and debian |
| 18:13.33 | fiddleswrk | is there one for xfce? |
| 18:14.07 | abrotman | what's wrong with network manager ? |
| 18:14.19 | fiddleswrk | i dont have a graphical one |
| 18:14.23 | fiddleswrk | i have to do it in console |
| 18:14.29 | fiddleswrk | and theres three different cells |
| 18:14.35 | fiddleswrk | and im confused |
| 18:14.35 | Supaplex | operator deficency |
| 18:14.38 | fiddleswrk | yea |
| 18:14.40 | fiddleswrk | well |
| 18:14.42 | fiddleswrk | i coudl do it |
| 18:14.56 | fiddleswrk | i got like 15 mins before i loose my ethernet connection |
| 18:14.58 | fiddleswrk | :( |
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| 18:15.08 | fiddleswrk | ima install gnome see if it works from there |
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| 18:15.54 | Laser | what package contains the courier-medium fonts |
| 18:16.12 | Laser | ? |
| 18:16.19 | abrotman | fiddleswrk: so use networkmanager |
| 18:16.27 | abrotman | whatever ... |
| 18:16.31 | Delfyn | what happens if you just run knetworkmanager? |
| 18:16.39 | fiddleswrk | dunno |
| 18:16.46 | fiddleswrk | gnome instalation in progress |
| 18:16.48 | fiddleswrk | :( |
| 18:16.51 | fiddleswrk | ill try it after |
| 18:16.59 | fiddleswrk | i would rather realy use xfce |
| 18:17.06 | fiddleswrk | havent had time to work on it |
| 18:17.10 | fiddleswrk | but i need wifi |
| 18:17.30 | hark | it's not part of the gnome metapackage, you'll have to install it separately afaik |
| 18:17.37 | fiddleswrk | son of a |
| 18:17.39 | abrotman | and you don't need gnome for it |
| 18:17.46 | abrotman | you can just insatll networkmanager .. like we told you |
| 18:17.51 | Delfyn | sure, but try knetworkmanager on xfce :-) maybe it won't dock properly in the panel but worth a try |
| 18:17.57 | fiddleswrk | mmkay |
| 18:18.04 | fiddleswrk | gnomes almost done |
| 18:18.04 | abrotman | Delfyn: that makes *no* sense |
| 18:18.15 | abrotman | Delfyn: he already has tons of gnome/gtk libs .. why install half of KDE for that |
| 18:18.29 | Delfyn | ah ... well, i joined after he said that |
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| 18:19.09 | fiddleswrk | got 12 mins to finish this gnome install before class starts |
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| 18:21.24 | Delfyn | anybody recommend a debian developer channel? I'd really like to ask someone with debconf experience about why my settings don't stick |
| 18:22.04 | |porta| | which nvide card is good in linux? |
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| 18:24.56 | hark | Delfyn: here or try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 18:25.46 | hark | |porta|: none of them |
| 18:26.06 | |porta| | lol... what is a good 3d card? |
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| 18:26.39 | dkr | nvidia 8800gts |
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| 18:28.07 | wols | |porta|: all depends what you want in various categories |
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| 18:29.55 | AVRS | I've increased the autorepeat activation delay, and now keypresses don't repeat. |
| 18:30.12 | AVRS | So it's because of the slowdown. |
| 18:30.13 | AVRS | :( |
| 18:30.37 | vlt | Hello. Is there a way to change the vol_id of an existing ext3 file system? |
| 18:30.37 | Jopie | Can anyone suggest how I best install the madwifi drivers/firmware without internet access on the machine itself? |
| 18:30.55 | Jopie | I ran into an issue where libc6 is outdated, and then it conflicts with binutils |
| 18:31.38 | Delfyn | jopie usbstick? |
| 18:32.07 | Supaplex | vlt: tune2fs |
| 18:32.17 | Jopie | yeah, well I guess i have to grab an older version of the madwifi libs that is compatible with the version of libc6 I've got |
| 18:32.19 | Supaplex | !apt-zip |
| 18:32.19 | dpkg | hmm... apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
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| 18:32.36 | Jopie | ah - handy... thanks |
| 18:32.42 | Supaplex | np |
| 18:33.07 | Jopie | (not by any chance a (shock) windows version ?_ |
| 18:33.08 | Jopie | * ) |
| 18:33.48 | Supaplex | you can download the debs manually, and use dpkg -i afterwards. |
| 18:34.23 | roe | anyone have any packages that create "good" looking network diagrams, Dia doesn't fall into that category in my book |
| 18:34.30 | Jopie | yeah, well, that wasn't working :( |
| 18:34.32 | Jopie | but thanks |
| 18:35.30 | Jopie | but does apt-zip generate a list of packages to download on a host? |
| 18:35.41 | Supaplex | roe: inkscape, or maybe something in the openoffice suite |
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| 18:35.50 | cast | morning |
| 18:35.57 | dondelelcaro | Jopie: that's what it's designed for. |
| 18:36.07 | roe | inkscape is nice, but it isn't specialized in enough I don't think |
| 18:36.08 | Jopie | ok, thanks I'll try it |
| 18:36.17 | roe | I didn't think about OOo at all |
| 18:36.36 | Jopie | inkscape is a pain for any diagramming - it's really for vector drawing - not 'object' diagramming |
| 18:36.48 | Supaplex | there's plenty of non-sun related alternatives to. I just think of OOo first. |
| 18:36.59 | vlt | Supaplex: Thank you. |
| 18:37.21 | Supaplex | vlt: np =) |
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| 18:42.18 | abrotman | roe: dia isn't that bad .. |
| 18:42.24 | Speckal | when I edit a file in vim7 through gnome-terminal, and I change to insert mode, I can't use the arrow keys. They print letters instead of moving the cursor. How can I fix this? |
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| 18:42.45 | roe | abrotman, no it isn't but these diagrams are client facing and the end result while very functional are a little rough around the edges |
| 18:43.26 | dto | hello. our local LAN uses a little dhcp/nat box. but i want to give my debian machines fixed IP addresses. how can I do this? |
| 18:43.27 | abrotman | roe: zoom out! |
| 18:43.32 | roe | hehe |
| 18:43.50 | abrotman | dto: give them IPs outside the DHCP range .. and 'man 5 interfaces' to read how to set them up |
| 18:43.57 | dto | abrotman: thank you :-) |
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| 18:45.06 | dto | abrotman: i installed debian yesterday on the big rackmounte audio machine. now i'm converting the whole LAN |
| 18:45.12 | dto | abrotman: debian kicks ass :-) |
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| 18:46.04 | abrotman | yay! |
| 18:46.08 | abrotman | dto: don't tell the boss |
| 18:46.13 | cast | debian stopped my violent outbursts at kb/mouse |
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| 18:46.23 | irule | what package contains mkpasswd? :s |
| 18:46.29 | Supaplex | !apt-file |
| 18:46.29 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 18:46.58 | dkr | irule: whois |
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| 18:47.13 | dkr | I used dpkg -S mkpasswd to find out, btw |
| 18:47.19 | Supaplex | apt-file search bin/mkpasswd |
| 18:48.05 | irule | thanks dlr |
| 18:48.07 | irule | dkr |
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| 18:48.40 | dto | abrotman: i am the boss :-) |
| 18:48.52 | dkr | you da man? |
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| 18:49.58 | abrotman | dto: don't tell the wife? :) |
| 18:50.01 | dto | abrotman: is it still possible for my debian boxes to look to the dchp server to find DNS? |
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| 18:50.20 | Krooks | hello. I downloaded a file using the fish protocol from konqueror. the download got disconnected. Is there a way to resume. Its a 700mb file and I was almost done. :( |
| 18:50.31 | abrotman | dto: sure .. put the dns server IPs in /etc/resolv.conf like 'server <IP>' on separate lines |
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| 18:55.14 | lord_rob | Hi ! Sorry for this question not completely related to debian but, is a hard disk drive maximum capacity limited by the BIOS for a serial ATA disk like for a parallel ATA (IDE) disk ? |
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| 18:56.05 | xand | ##hardware c.c |
| 18:56.21 | dto | abrotman: and then to get the debian machines to refer to each other by name, i can just put them in each other's /etc/hosts right? or is there a better way? |
| 18:57.09 | Natilous | Hi ALL ... please say some REPOSITORY for ETCH ... tanx ! |
| 18:57.25 | xand | !sources.list |
| 18:57.25 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:58.01 | Natilous | dpkg :yes ...anaother please |
| 18:58.19 | Ronin | Natilous: that told you all you need to know if you read it |
| 18:58.35 | Jemt | Natilous: http://powerzone.dk/sources.list |
| 18:58.38 | abrotman | dto: yes .. there are other ways ... |
| 18:58.41 | Jemt | Natilous: My sources |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | Natilous: debian.org/mirrors |
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| 18:59.28 | abrotman | dto: you can do it the way you said .. there's a way to do dynamic dns updates .. there's nmbd/samba .. also NIS |
| 18:59.34 | Natilous | Jemt: ok .. thanx a lot for your help |
| 18:59.50 | Jemt | Natilous: You will get some warnings if you use my source-list, but you can just ignore them |
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| 18:59.55 | Jemt | Natilous: You are welcome |
| 19:00.24 | Natilous | :)+:-P |
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| 19:00.36 | abrotman | Jemt: except you just gave him the dmm sources |
| 19:00.40 | abrotman | and skype |
| 19:01.38 | Jemt | Yes, Natilous, you should know that debian-multimedia contains programs that might not be legal for you to use. |
| 19:01.44 | Jemt | Thanks, abrotman |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | and skype might be spyware? :) |
| 19:02.05 | Jemt | abrotman: Hehe, true :p |
| 19:02.48 | Jemt | Natilous: Please remove the Skype part if you don't use their program. Abrotman have a point - it's full with all that spyware crap :) |
| 19:02.56 | Natilous | :) ha ??? this mean I shoudn't use it ? |
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| 19:03.07 | Jemt | Natilous: Exactly ;) |
| 19:03.10 | Natilous | ok .. SURE ... |
| 19:03.25 | Natilous | ;) |
| 19:03.48 | abrotman | Natilous: read debian.org/mirrors/list and man sources.list |
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| 19:04.12 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 19:04.21 | ribnitz | any recommends for scanning images? |
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| 19:04.38 | Jemt | ribnitz: xsane :) |
| 19:04.41 | Natilous | ok .. thanx |
| 19:06.11 | ribnitz | Jemt: if as a normal user I dont find any devices I have a problem with privs on some sock? |
| 19:07.06 | Jemt | ribnitz: Sec |
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| 19:07.55 | cast | hmm, how do i find out what 'rc' means in dpkg -l output |
| 19:07.55 | Jemt | ribnitz: Probably. Using Gnome ? |
| 19:08.03 | abrotman | cast: read the top few lines |
| 19:08.13 | ribnitz | Jemt: usiong xfce. |
| 19:08.26 | abrotman | ribnitz: isn't there a scanner group ? |
| 19:08.53 | cast | oh...good point :) i was searching man dpkg |
| 19:09.03 | unseensoul | hark, I've found it. The line NoDisplay=true at /usr/share/desktop-directories/Debian.directory should be comment to get it work :) thanks for your help |
| 19:09.18 | ribnitz | abrotman: is there? |
| 19:09.20 | unseensoul | s/comment/commented |
| 19:09.38 | vlt | Hello. I want to install GRUB into MBR of /dev/hdd, which will later be (hd0) and tell it to boot from (hd0,0). /dev/hdd1 already contais a complete /boot/grub with existing menu.lst. How to do this? chroot into the mounted hdd1? And then? |
| 19:09.56 | ribnitz | abrotman: there is, it contains user cupsys.. |
| 19:10.29 | abrotman | maybe try adding your user there ? |
| 19:10.36 | Jemt | ribnitz: Ah, ok. Can't help then :( |
| 19:10.50 | Jemt | ribnitz: I would probably run xsane as root |
| 19:10.52 | ribnitz | groups are only read at login, so I need to relog I guess? |
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| 19:12.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:12.16 | abrotman | !tell MauL^ about root |
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| 19:14.10 | DarkCow | what's that program that tests the throughput of an IP link? |
| 19:14.12 | MauL^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.13 | MauL^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:15.40 | DarkCow | I think it's under non-free |
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| 19:16.14 | DarkCow | so add "non-free" to the end of the repository line in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update |
| 19:16.23 | Natilous | any one use vidalia ..??? |
| 19:17.01 | mikelo | I have kernel version 2.6.21-2-686... but i need the sources directory in /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686 in order to install a driver... |
| 19:17.19 | Natilous | I must install it , but I show this error configure: error: Vidalia requires Qt 4.1.0 or greater. You may need to install |
| 19:17.19 | Natilous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:17.36 | Natilous | eny help ? |
| 19:17.47 | abrotman | you need the -dev packages |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | !rar |
| 19:18.01 | dpkg | methinks rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar> |
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| 19:18.33 | gwern | 'lo all. so I'm building a computer with a bunch of old and new parts all put together (to save money), and I'm having problems with the cdrom IDE drive. it's the only IDE drive (the hard drive is sata and currently completely blank which is why this is a real problem), and it is detected by the motherboard and I can boot off the etch install, but it just fails completely when it reachs the detecting the cdrom drive stage. are there any weird ide ... |
| 19:18.38 | gwern | ... things I should try to get it detected? |
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| 19:19.12 | MauL^ | how can I unrar on debian? |
| 19:19.26 | mikelo | rar e file |
| 19:19.35 | mikelo | apt-get install rar |
| 19:19.39 | kenjy | hi guys, How can I know if logrotate its going to run ? |
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| 19:19.56 | Wolfeagle | So I just did something pretty stupid. |
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| 19:20.05 | Wolfeagle | I accidently deleted the contents of /usr/share/icons |
| 19:20.31 | xingu | man, this libc6 source packaging is ace. |
| 19:20.54 | Wolfeagle | anyway to easily repair that? possibly reinstall a package? |
| 19:20.57 | kenjy | is logrotate a cron hob or a daemon? my crontab -l don't show nothing about it :S |
| 19:21.59 | mikelo | does /lib/modules/`uname -r`/sources exist? |
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| 19:22.30 | dkr | kenjy: that's your personal cron. there are system crons as well. in /etc/cron.d cron.daily cron.weekly etc |
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| 19:24.15 | MauL^ | how can I unrar on debian? |
| 19:24.24 | sepski | !unrar |
| 19:24.24 | dpkg | [unrar] a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
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| 19:25.19 | MauL^ | sepski unrar-free does not unrar the file I need to unrar |
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| 19:25.25 | lrp | where can i download debian4 stable for 64bits iso ? |
| 19:25.30 | MauL^ | it says "failed" |
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| 19:27.32 | fredl | hmm when I click on an mpg in iceweasel, it does seem to start up a player... |
| 19:27.33 | sepski | lrp, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 19:27.38 | fredl | but it doesn't play anything |
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| 19:29.44 | fredl | so when I right click on the movie window and select 'open with movie player' it opens up totem.... |
| 19:29.51 | CryptoMole | hi all |
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| 19:30.01 | mikelo | fredl, copy the link and play it with mplayer |
| 19:30.30 | fredl | but totem says it doesn't have a plugin to handle this movie |
| 19:30.50 | CryptoMole | I have this insanly dumb question, can debian be installed with a 2.4 kernel still? |
| 19:31.02 | fredl | mikelo I'm not going to do that for every porn clip I wanna see damnit :P |
| 19:31.13 | mikelo | fredl, ehhehe |
| 19:31.57 | mikelo | is /lib/modules/`uname -r`/sources supposed to exist? |
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| 19:32.39 | fredl | hmm seems I need to install totem-plugins.... |
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| 19:33.02 | wols | mikelo: no |
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| 19:33.51 | ribnitz | heyas. |
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| 19:35.17 | ribnitz | Each time I start my debian (sid/experimental), I have to manually reconfigure alsa, and reload alsa-utils (k-2.6.22-2-686). Any way to help that? |
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| 19:38.39 | CryptoMole | is there a 2.4 kernel deb iso avalable? |
| 19:38.54 | valdyn | CryptoMole: 2.4 kernels are not supported on etch+ |
| 19:39.06 | CryptoMole | aw |
| 19:39.09 | CryptoMole | ok |
| 19:39.34 | gkiagia | ribnitz: does the init script "alsasound" start when you boot? |
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| 19:39.51 | CryptoMole | thanks. |
| 19:39.56 | CryptoMole | quit |
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| 19:40.34 | fredl | damnit, my fan is out of control, it keeps spinning up and down. |
| 19:40.41 | gimmal | I have a directory full of deb packages that I want to make a deb repository for; anyone might have a recommendation about a package to use, for making that repo? hoping for something simple, y'know ;) |
| 19:40.57 | Greyscale | How do you scroll in screen? |
| 19:41.16 | fredl | 'sensors' doesn't show any temperatures noticeably changing.... |
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| 19:41.50 | gkiagia | Greyscale: ctrl+a + [ |
| 19:41.58 | ribnitz | gkiagia: debmirror? |
| 19:42.14 | gimmal | ribnitz: heh, will take a look; thank you |
| 19:42.27 | fredl | is it usefull to run both powernowd and acpid ? |
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| 19:43.06 | gimmal | ribnitz: hm, not liking the "this program downloads..." -- just wanting to build a repo with the packages I have; can't think of any keywords that might work, for finding the thing in aptitude |
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| 19:44.53 | HardDisk_WP | ../ledbl.tgz: POSIX tar archive (GNU) |
| 19:44.55 | ribnitz | gimmal: apt-mirror? |
| 19:44.58 | HardDisk_WP | how can I unpack that? |
| 19:45.03 | HardDisk_WP | unp gives error |
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| 19:45.24 | ribnitz | HardDisk_WP: tar -xzf |
| 19:45.47 | HardDisk_WP | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 19:45.47 | HardDisk_WP | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 19:45.52 | HardDisk_WP | same error as with unp |
| 19:45.57 | ribnitz | HardDisk_WP: if you get an error, leave out the z |
| 19:46.08 | lrp | hey any opensource softwqare to videoconference? |
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| 19:46.17 | tokyoeye | anyone got an iscsi target running on debian? my machine keeps crashing when passing the --login argument (-m node to do a listing works ok)... |
| 19:46.29 | Asmodee` | I've done a netinst of debian 4.0r1. During the installation process my motherboards' IDE controller was recognized first (hda-hdd) and my addon sil0680a card was recognized second (hde-hdh). However once installation was completed the ide controllers orders were reversed. I've searched for answers, a lot recommend recompiling kernel (which I don't want to do), or passing ide=reverse at boot, which isn't working. Are there an |
| 19:46.38 | gimmal | ribnitz: sounds like a lead; thanks, 'bro |
| 19:46.47 | ribnitz | HardDisk_WP: so tar -xzf something.tgz, or tar -xf something.tgz. |
| 19:47.02 | ribnitz | HardDisk_WP: probably the first. |
| 19:47.09 | HardDisk_WP | works |
| 19:47.10 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
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| 19:48.49 | ribnitz | HardDisk_WP: read man tar, its one of the most used programs for archiving, in Linux and unix. sometimes you will also see these files as .tar.gz |
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| 19:52.00 | solemnwarning | Is samba capable of doing advanced AD stuff like security policies? |
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| 19:56.15 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 19:56.23 | Seb | where is the default/system locale defined in Debian ? |
| 19:57.25 | Seb | anyone ? |
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| 19:58.49 | \amethyst | Seb: in etch, /etc/default/locale |
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| 19:59.20 | Seb | \amethyst: not in sid it seems :\ |
| 19:59.38 | \amethyst | Seb: before etch it was /etc/environment |
| 19:59.46 | Seb | none of that in sid either heh |
| 20:00.11 | \amethyst | Seb: is your LANG set? |
| 20:00.17 | abrotman | Seb: should be one of those |
| 20:00.22 | Seb | yeah, but I don't know by what |
| 20:00.43 | Seb | abrotman: my new sid system installed through debootstrap doesn't have iether of those files though |
| 20:01.00 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 20:02.05 | \amethyst | Seb: how are you logging in? |
| 20:02.49 | [Gabe] | Any of you guys ASCII code kinda guys?..heh..When the right arrow is referenced as "\eOC" what kind of format is that? |
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| 20:03.09 | karsten | [Gabe]: !ASCII ;-) |
| 20:03.17 | [Gabe] | !ASCII |
| 20:03.17 | dpkg | well, ascii is american standard code for information interchange, or see 'chandra' for an example of a great use of ASCII characters in art, or http://www.asciitable.com/ |
| 20:03.20 | [Gabe] | heh |
| 20:03.28 | karsten | [Gabe]: Try UTF-8 or Unicode. |
| 20:03.41 | [Gabe] | !UTF-8 |
| 20:03.41 | dpkg | well, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man pages. |
| 20:03.47 | karsten | Um. That was meant as "not ascii", not "dpkg, tell us about the ascii factoid". |
| 20:03.57 | [Gabe] | heh |
| 20:03.59 | karsten | [Gabe]: /msg the bots, don't self-tell. |
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| 20:04.07 | \amethyst | [Gabe]: \e stands for escape, ASCII 27 |
| 20:04.25 | [Gabe] | i see |
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| 20:05.45 | solemnwarning | Is samba capable of doing advanced AD stuff like security policies? |
| 20:05.56 | abrotman | ask #samba |
| 20:06.02 | karsten | solemnwarning: Best ask #samba or RTFM |
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| 20:06.21 | \amethyst | [Gabe]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code might be what you're looking for |
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| 20:07.55 | gimmal | fsck. apt-mirror ain't it, either. it doesn't make the Packages.gz file that a flipping repo needs to exist |
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| 20:08.31 | gimmal | so, might anyone know of something that can create a Packages.gz file and a sane repository structure, when given a directory full of deb packages? |
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| 20:09.13 | gimmal | hoping to not have to reinvent the wheel, heh |
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| 20:10.03 | Delfyn | if i use debconf-set-selections to set something (e.g. timezone) and then run dpkg-reconfigure on the relevent package (e.g. tzdata), why does it apply the *old* setting, instead of the one I set? |
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| 20:10.57 | abrotman | !debian repository |
| 20:10.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 20:11.00 | abrotman | gimmal: ^^ |
| 20:11.17 | abrotman | gimmal: and there is a program to make that file specifically |
| 20:11.34 | abrotman | oh wait |
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| 20:12.30 | abrotman | gimmal: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 20:13.02 | gimmal | abrotman: ahaha, that howto says it all, heh; thank you |
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| 20:13.28 | venger | occasionaly ill get "FATAL: Module battery not found" which i think is coming from an package laptop-detect. on a desktop is this safe to remove? only info i could find is that there is a bug file to suppress these messages |
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| 20:15.57 | gimmal | anyone's muxed around with jack, in here? hoping I can use it to add some virtual surround sound in between the media player and the output card -- thinking, it should be possible, maybe with the right LADSPA plugin, but I doubt it'll be easy to do from sractch, heh |
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| 20:31.03 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:31.03 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 20:31.58 | atoponce | heh |
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| 20:33.46 | qrck | how do i make the changes made in inittab immediate ? |
| 20:33.59 | qrck | init is not doing anythin... |
| 20:34.08 | geo-rge | you have to signal init |
| 20:34.19 | qrck | like ? |
| 20:34.26 | qrck | init 2 ? |
| 20:34.33 | \amethyst | qrck: telinit q |
| 20:34.46 | \amethyst | qrck: or kill -HUP 1 |
| 20:35.02 | geo-rge | you have to send the init process (which is process id 1) a SIGHUP signal |
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| 20:35.25 | anonymouz666 | anyone in here uses the scponly? |
| 20:35.37 | geo-rge | !anyone |
| 20:35.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:35.57 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 20:35.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:36.28 | anonymouz666 | that's right. |
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| 20:37.55 | blahdeblah | Morning. I'm having trouble with the sarge version of logwatch - i don't seem to be able to override scripts by putting a new one in /etc/logwatch/scripts/services. Any ideas? |
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| 20:48.53 | ezguy | can I boot into single user mode or runlevel an run fsck on all partitions? |
| 20:48.54 | geo-rge | I just skimmed over the man page for logwatch, and while I saw that it is "pluggable", I didn't see anything about scripts |
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| 20:50.24 | ezguy | runlevel 1 and run fsck... |
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| 20:51.13 | geo-rge | but there is an interesting bit at the bottom about other documents you can read |
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| 20:52.24 | gimmal | yknow, dpkg -i *.deb sure works a lot easier than building an apt repo by which to do about the same thing |
| 20:52.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:52.56 | Speckal | nite all :) |
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| 20:53.56 | geo-rge | gimmal: yes... dpkg --help for other tricks dpkg can do... but usually people build aptable repos to share their stuff |
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| 20:55.34 | gimmal | geo-rge: I just wanted to have aptitude as an interface for installing the packages on this box -- pulled 'em off a desktop I've had to box up and pack away |
| 20:56.01 | gimmal | no worries, atm -- just one warning about installing a kernel package with the same version number as the kernel package already installed, might be a bit worrisome, but we'll see how it comes out ;) |
| 20:56.26 | geo-rge | gimmal: did you compile that kernel package? |
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| 20:56.34 | quittt | hello |
| 20:56.45 | quittt | how can I check my root filesystem? |
| 20:56.49 | quittt | and correct errors? |
| 20:57.15 | gimmal | geo-rge: I don't think so -- could say "no", with certainty, and I'm pretty sure I didn't, 'cos it doesn't have any fancy version-name-end parts to it, like I'd added to those kernels I recall having buit - not 100% certain that I did that at all times, though |
| 20:57.38 | geo-rge | so probably you installed the same kernel package again |
| 20:57.58 | geo-rge | that should be harmless |
| 20:58.28 | gimmal | hoping so, yah |
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| 21:02.52 | smhar | ok, I've grown out of my router/adsl modem, I have 5 computer to connect while It only has 4 ports. I found an old 5 ports switch that I had bought long ago for such case, but I do not have any info sheet with it. I connected 3 computer to the modem and used the fourth port to connect to the uplink port of the switch, is this correct? |
| 21:04.03 | xand | smhar: should be fine (see also ##networking) |
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| 21:05.11 | gimmal | yep, ton of fscking errors after dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 21:06.47 | geo-rge | smhar: connect one of the router ports to the switch |
| 21:07.31 | geo-rge | then use the other router ports and the switch ports |
| 21:07.58 | geo-rge | otherwise don't change it (unless you have a goal you havent stated) |
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| 21:10.25 | smhar | geo-rge, I connected 3 computer to the modem and used the fourth port to connect to the uplink port of the switch, then I connect a debian computer to another port of the switch but it doesn't connect. nothing shows in ifconfig other than lo |
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| 21:12.24 | wols | smhar: ifconfig -a |
| 21:13.12 | anonymouz666 | Couldn't open /dev/null: No such file or directory |
| 21:13.15 | anonymouz666 | how could that be possible? |
| 21:13.23 | anonymouz666 | running scp on client machine |
| 21:13.32 | anonymouz666 | no error on server machine |
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| 21:13.44 | smhar | wols, idconfig -a show lo plus eth0 but it doesn't have an IP, I did a ifup eth but after several attempts, it said: No DHCPOFFERS recieved |
| 21:15.23 | jaymzh | I'm running unstable on an IBM laptop (ati mobile radeon 9600 m10) and after an upgrade and reboot, X is all messed up (the left inch is duplicated on the right inch of the screen, the bottom inch of the screen is unused but has random junk on it).... outside of X all is well - any known xorg issues? |
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| 21:16.14 | themill | jaymzh: etch? fglrx or radeon? |
| 21:16.35 | jaymzh | ati |
| 21:16.48 | jaymzh | unstable |
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| 21:18.59 | goodhabit | Hello. Help me please. I am newbie. Please give me example sources.list |
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| 21:19.08 | themill | jaymzh: and no errors in the xorg.0.log, I presume |
| 21:19.23 | jaymzh | nope - just font directories it's chucking |
| 21:19.34 | themill | :( |
| 21:19.39 | flexus | what does "opera inverse dependency" in aptitude mean? |
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| 21:19.50 | jaymzh | themill: changing the driver from 'ati' to 'radeon' doesn't change anything |
| 21:19.52 | jaymzh | :( |
| 21:19.57 | flexus | i wanted to install opera |
| 21:20.10 | themill | goodhabit: you should already have one in your /etc/apt/sources.list, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:20.19 | tempboy | any US/AT&T (Cingular) gprs users in chan? |
| 21:20.36 | abrotman | tempboy: still broken? |
| 21:20.41 | tempboy | yup |
| 21:20.45 | jaymzh | themill: the text is also all garbelled and the mouse is displayed about 2 inches left of wher it really is |
| 21:20.46 | abrotman | did you call them ? |
| 21:20.52 | tempboy | can connect. no gateway though |
| 21:20.56 | tempboy | going to today |
| 21:20.57 | abrotman | so set it manually |
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| 21:21.03 | tempboy | it works on windows boxes |
| 21:21.04 | goodhabit | tempboy: I'm afraid of blank sources... I was with cd-s, but they r gone. Now I need example. Give it to me please. |
| 21:21.07 | tempboy | how do i set it manually? |
| 21:21.13 | abrotman | man route |
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| 21:21.26 | themill | jaymzh: I presume you've done all the normal things like disable direct rendering etc |
| 21:21.33 | tempboy | oh, i know how to do that. what do i set it to is the question |
| 21:22.23 | jaymzh | themill: I added an "extensions" section to turn off "Composite" |
| 21:22.26 | flexus | goodhabit, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/need-recommendation-for-debian-etch-sources.list-etcaptsources.list-367444/ |
| 21:22.51 | abrotman | tempboy: you'd ask them |
| 21:23.10 | jaymzh | what other options should I be disabling? my conf doesn't turn much on (I run fluxbox, so I generally don't have much fancy stuff enabled) |
| 21:23.13 | tempboy | abrotman, ok. well everytime i connect am i going to have to set it manually? |
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| 21:25.31 | iveqy | hi, I need help to setup dns servers, after changing my ip manually to static ip. Adding my dns-servers to /etc/resolv.conf does not make it. |
| 21:25.48 | themill | jaymzh: disabling dri and glx would be well worth it too while you're trying to work this out, but I'm guessing at this point ;( |
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| 21:26.32 | jaymzh | themill: it's failing to load "type1" - that's an error I missed before |
| 21:26.43 | jaymzh | probably not related though |
| 21:26.48 | themill | still shouldn't be a problem |
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| 21:27.02 | Cooner750 | hello |
| 21:27.08 | Cooner750 | Is there a package for the web-admin for CUPS? |
| 21:27.24 | themill | it's in the package cupsys along with the rest of cups |
| 21:27.33 | streuner | Cooner750: no |
| 21:27.36 | Cooner750 | Strange... default port? |
| 21:27.40 | themill | 631 |
| 21:27.43 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
| 21:27.46 | Cooner750 | Tried it |
| 21:27.50 | streuner | Cooner750: webmin is since etch not in Debian anymore |
| 21:28.02 | themill | streuner: cups web interface, not webmin |
| 21:28.06 | streuner | oh |
| 21:28.26 | themill | Cooner750: have you got cups running? |
| 21:28.31 | streuner | thats in CUPS, of course |
| 21:28.34 | Cooner750 | It's running |
| 21:28.42 | streuner | so whats the question? |
| 21:28.48 | themill | Cooner750: can you see it in netstat -antp |
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| 21:29.23 | Cooner750 | dont see it. |
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| 21:29.50 | themill | Cooner750: invoke-rc.d cupsys start |
| 21:29.53 | streuner | localehost:631 |
| 21:30.03 | Cooner750 | Eh, the server is headless |
| 21:30.05 | streuner | localhost:631 |
| 21:30.34 | themill | Cooner750: ahh.... you'll either have to forward that port in your ssh connection, or allow access to that port from other than localhost. |
| 21:30.51 | Cooner750 | I see the line in cupsd.conf |
| 21:30.54 | themill | Cooner750: by default, cups only listens on localhost, iirc |
| 21:30.58 | Cooner750 | "Listen localhost:631" |
| 21:31.37 | themill | Cooner750: yep. You might prefer to port forward depends how much you trust cups to just listen on the interface. You could always use iptables to restrict who can connect to that port too |
| 21:32.01 | Cooner750 | The machine dosen't have a firewall on it.. and I'm on the same LAN |
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| 21:33.27 | themill | Cooner750: It's up to you. You know your network setup, I don't. You probably don't want the entire world to be able to talk to your cups server, but if it's your home network and you're behind a NAT modem, then that's probably already taken care of. |
| 21:33.42 | jaymzh | themill: that didn't work either |
| 21:33.50 | Cooner750 | The box in question is behind a Clarkconnect box. |
| 21:33.56 | Cooner750 | Which is firewalled |
| 21:34.01 | Cooner750 | Port 631 won't be accessable from the internet |
| 21:34.08 | Cooner750 | Only on the LAN |
| 21:34.18 | themill | Cooner750: so that should be ok then. |
| 21:34.33 | Cooner750 | So how do I change the config so that it dosen't listen on localhost only? |
| 21:34.42 | themill | jaymzh: as I said, I'm guessing here... it's sid, things break, you get to keep both pieces ;) |
| 21:35.19 | themill | Cooner750: man cupsd.conf |
| 21:35.51 | jaymzh | themill: yeah, I wasnt' complaining - just hoping someone had already hit this before |
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| 21:36.53 | themill | jaymzh: Haven't heard anything here today.... you could try asking again later when there are different people around. I'm presuming that you've already waded through the bts. |
| 21:36.53 | tempboy | abrotman, now i currently have a default route that eth0 is using |
| 21:37.05 | tempboy | abrotman, will i mess things up if i set another default route? |
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| 21:38.10 | jaymzh | just started that, actually |
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| 21:39.36 | Cooner750 | Hm |
| 21:39.39 | Cooner750 | now i get 403 Forbidden |
| 21:40.26 | abrotman | tempboy: yes |
| 21:40.33 | abrotman | tempboy: you can only have one default route |
| 21:40.46 | tempboy | so just add the route for that network? |
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| 21:41.00 | abrotman | well .. once you connect to the gprs .. set your new default route |
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| 21:41.25 | tempboy | ah ok |
| 21:41.28 | isystem | how can i make a system timeout/disconnect a user after 60 minutes of idletime, no input. |
| 21:41.29 | tempboy | how can i script this? |
| 21:41.36 | tempboy | can wvdial do this? |
| 21:41.36 | themill | Cooner750: well that progress ;) |
| 21:42.17 | themill | Cooner750: There's also the <Location /> and <Location /admin> blocks that are only Allow localhost. |
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| 21:43.26 | abrotman | tempboy: very likely .. though i never used wvdial |
| 21:43.53 | tempboy | ok |
| 21:43.56 | tempboy | pppd? |
| 21:43.57 | Cooner750 | o-O |
| 21:44.05 | abrotman | they all use pppd |
| 21:44.21 | abrotman | i used pppconfig or something .. been awhile since i used dialup as my primary connection |
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| 21:45.10 | tempboy | k |
| 21:45.19 | Cooner750 | Well this is annoying enough |
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| 21:45.56 | themill | Cooner750: sure you don't just want to set up port forwarding for your ssh connection ;) |
| 21:46.13 | Cooner750 | Uh... I don't understand what that has to do with anything |
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| 21:49.22 | tempboy | abrotman, when i do route add default gw <ip address> i get |
| 21:49.24 | tempboy | route add default gw 66.209.11.61 |
| 21:49.24 | tempboy | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 21:49.29 | tempboy | why is that? |
| 21:50.05 | tempboy | abrotman, nm |
| 21:50.16 | tempboy | bad ip address. going to call them for correct gw |
| 21:50.27 | tempboy | note to self, don't trust IPs from wiki's :) |
| 21:50.41 | themill | Cooner750: your print server is headless so you can't use the web interface on it and cups by default doesn't want to allow you to talk to the web interface from remove machines. If, on your desktop, you ssh -L8631:localhost:631 printserv and then on your desktop go to http://localhost:8631/ then it will be forwarded to the printserver and will look like a local connection. |
| 21:52.43 | b1z | what is the default page size on amd64 64bit kernel? or what is the maximum? can it be specified at kernel compile time? on x86 its 4K imho |
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| 21:59.43 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] Hello fellow Debian People! |
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| 22:00.03 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] i have debian on my PC |
| 22:00.18 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] but it wont work with my wireless speakers |
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| 22:00.43 | themill | m-m-_m-_m-_-m: can you please turn off whatever strange highlighting or formatting you have on your irc client? |
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| 22:01.01 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] LOL wat ru u taking abot |
| 22:01.08 | themill | !u |
| 22:01.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:01.14 | themill | [23:01] <m-m-_m-_m-_-m> [?=6L123\] LOL wat ru u taking abot |
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| 22:01.32 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] lol thats just mirc |
| 22:01.37 | themill | m-m-_m-_m-_-m: that garbage: [?=6L123\] |
| 22:01.48 | Ronin | wow thats annoying |
| 22:01.48 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] ya thats mirc |
| 22:01.57 | themill | !lart mirc |
| 22:02.02 | themill | heh |
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| 22:02.12 | Ronin | funny, ive used mirc its never done that, i suspect a script of some sort |
| 22:02.25 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] ya i mak da scrits |
| 22:02.32 | azeem | m-m-_m-_m-_-m: turn it off, please |
| 22:02.37 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | [?=6L123\] y |
| 22:02.47 | Cooner750 | o-O |
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| 22:02.50 | themill | bright orange text with flashing pink underline, probably |
| 22:03.03 | themill | !nickometer m-m-_m-_m-_-m |
| 22:03.04 | dpkg | 'm-m-_m-_m-_-m' is 99.961% lame, themill |
| 22:03.06 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | brb tweaking script |
| 22:03.16 | themill | m-m-_m-_m-_-m: that's better, thanks |
| 22:03.26 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | !nickometer themill |
| 22:03.27 | dpkg | 'themill' is 0.000% lame, m-m-_m-_m-_-m |
| 22:03.33 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | Why am I lame? |
| 22:03.43 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | What is the algorithm? |
| 22:03.47 | xand | sigh |
| 22:04.09 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | !nickometer m-_-_-_-_- |
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| 22:04.11 | dpkg | 'm-_-_-_-_-' is 99.9874% lame, m-m-_m-_m-_-m |
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| 22:04.23 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | My EFnet nick |
| 22:04.28 | simon | is there a mail system that'll work out of the box without too much maintenance? |
| 22:04.28 | abrotman | go figure |
| 22:04.35 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | uh oh time to go |
| 22:04.36 | abrotman | simon: exim and postfix are easy |
| 22:04.41 | Sly | simon : forget qmail ;) |
| 22:04.46 | xand | good bye |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | oh .. darn |
| 22:04.54 | atoponce | wow |
| 22:04.59 | atoponce | that was interesting |
| 22:05.01 | simon | you see, "out of the box" means not getting into a religious war :P I just want a webmail for people that works. |
| 22:05.10 | abrotman | oh .. webmail or smtp ? |
| 22:05.25 | simon | well, either is fine, but they'll most likely just use webmail most of the time. |
| 22:05.37 | abrotman | simon: they are two totally different questions |
| 22:05.45 | abrotman | horde is usable .. and in debian |
| 22:05.55 | abrotman | not super easy to setup .. but lots of people use it |
| 22:05.55 | simon | abrotman, a mail system is a very ambiguous word. |
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| 22:06.14 | simon | oh, right.. |
| 22:06.39 | xand | squirrelmail is easier but simpler |
| 22:06.52 | Sly | roundcube is good too (but a bit buggy) |
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| 22:06.57 | Ronin | xand: nice simple webmail |
| 22:07.18 | abrotman | Sly: it's not in etch |
| 22:07.22 | Ronin | abrotman: horde? heh makes qmail installs look easy i swear |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | i've done horde enough that it's easy for me :) |
| 22:08.26 | Ronin | show off |
| 22:08.52 | simon | isn't it just a set of php scripts |
| 22:08.53 | abrotman | too bad it still has enough issues that people whine |
| 22:09.01 | abrotman | simon: yes it is .. but it's a whole framework |
| 22:09.16 | simon | abrotman, does it take a lot of configuration? |
| 22:09.23 | Ronin | simon: most do |
| 22:09.32 | simon | Ronin, most what? |
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| 22:09.48 | themill | simon: abrotman is a machine... nothing takes "a lot" of configuration for him ;) |
| 22:10.00 | simon | themill, hehe. |
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| 22:11.01 | Ronin | simon: require some/lots of configuration |
| 22:11.40 | abrotman | simon: depending on your setup .. it's fairly simple (depending on your level) .. my basic setup is the prefs in pgsql and an IMAP mail backend .. |
| 22:11.50 | abrotman | and the ssl bit :) |
| 22:11.57 | zenwryly | anyone have any experience with network-manager under debian? |
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| 22:13.23 | gener1c | deleting the cups server on my comp will only prevent me from connecting to it remotly right? |
| 22:13.37 | m-m-_m-_m-_-m | #slackware and #perl want me nickname changed. :'( |
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| 22:13.50 | Ronin | m-m-_m-_m-_-m: cant imagine why |
| 22:14.33 | node_6 | need some help. I type apt-get update and then apt-get install subversion and it tells me the package could not be found.. it's that the right package name? |
| 22:14.41 | xand | !search |
| 22:14.41 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 22:15.19 | node_6 | apt-cache search subversion came up empty too |
| 22:15.26 | abrotman | svn ? |
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| 22:15.40 | node_6 | same |
| 22:15.41 | wols | node_6: then your sources.list is misconfigured |
| 22:15.43 | AnnaChatter | #Appears as ANNA |
| 22:15.54 | abrotman | !info svn etch |
| 22:15.54 | wols | AnnaChatter: are you a bot? |
| 22:15.55 | AnnaChatter | [?=6L123\L=?LAmjHAHcaHK&fa&bhAQPkNaH&&Li+=~lK.mt,LaTMKTJALNGlW] Hi Debian guys trying out my MS Comic Chat. :) |
| 22:16.02 | Ronin | abrotman: turn that off please |
| 22:16.06 | abrotman | !ops please ban @cpe-74-75-89-122.maine.res.rr.com |
| 22:16.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: please ban @cpe-74-75-89-122.maine.res.rr.com |
| 22:16.16 | AnnaChatter | [?=6L123\L=?LAmjHAHcaHK&fa&bhAQPkNaH&&Li+=~lK.mt,LaTMKTJALNGlW] No I am a Debian guy. |
| 22:16.23 | node_6 | I have deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib same below it except with deb-src |
| 22:16.29 | AnnaChatter | [?=6L123\L=?LAmjHAHcaHK&fa&bhAQPkNaH&&Li+=~lK.mt,LaTMKTJALNGlW] I had question about Debian and installing from wireless. |
| 22:16.32 | tomaw | abrotman: ? |
| 22:16.35 | themill | apt-cache search subversion comes up with 75 matches |
| 22:16.42 | wols | node_6: that is not all you need. those are only security updates |
| 22:16.46 | wols | !tell node_6 about sources.list |
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| 22:16.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-74-75-89-122.maine.res.rr.com] by azeem |
| 22:16.52 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
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| 22:16.55 | themill | AnnaChatter: it wasn't funny when you were m-m-m--bollox either. now turn that off |
| 22:16.57 | abrotman | azeem: thank you |
| 22:17.10 | node_6 | thanks wols I'll make that change now |
| 22:17.11 | Ronin | thanks azeem |
| 22:17.29 | gener1c | deleting the cups server on my comp will only prevent me from connecting to it remotly right? |
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| 22:17.55 | gener1c | humz |
| 22:18.08 | gener1c | i ment i can still print |
| 22:18.23 | helo | what is the terribleness that causes some apps (openoffice) to automatically raise above all of its sibling windows whenever it gets my mouse-focus? |
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| 22:18.34 | abrotman | raise-on-focus .. your WM settings |
| 22:18.49 | helo | it is only with openoffice, and kylix (yeck) |
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| 22:19.39 | themill | gener1c: not without reconfiguring some other print server |
| 22:19.40 | node_6 | wols: should I add contrib to the ftp link for regular packages? etc main contrib |
| 22:19.46 | node_6 | *etch main contrib |
| 22:19.47 | gryfel | ok, I have to ask ine more time.... debian don't install anything in /usr/local/ expect files belongs not to the distribution? |
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| 22:20.00 | wols | node_6: not needed. you need to add a full deb... line |
| 22:20.07 | Artimus | I'm having trouble booting Debian Sarge (AMD64) on my box... I verified the cdrom's md5sum after I burned, it matches. I can boot the burned cdrom in vmware. But when I try to have my computer physically boot the cdrom, it skips right past the disk and goes to my harddrive. A knoppix disk boots, no problem. |
| 22:20.09 | wols | gryfel: yes |
| 22:20.10 | abrotman | gryfel: an official debian package will not put anything in there |
| 22:20.18 | themill | gryfel: debian will never touch /usr/local and you should never touch /usr except for /usr/local |
| 22:20.24 | abrotman | Artimus: bring me point beer .. and use etch |
| 22:20.25 | gener1c | <themill>it doesnt present any security risk the fact that i gotta have a printing server to be able to print? |
| 22:20.31 | wols | Artimus: use a etch amd64 cd |
| 22:20.35 | themill | gryfel: (and /usr/src) |
| 22:20.41 | Artimus | Shoot, it might not be sarge... Let me check |
| 22:20.47 | Artimus | I just downloaded it, whatever stable is |
| 22:20.51 | gryfel | ok, thx |
| 22:20.57 | gryfel | just another question: |
| 22:21.00 | abrotman | etch is stable |
| 22:21.07 | Artimus | probably etch then, I'll mount it and check |
| 22:21.29 | Artimus | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 "Etch" - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 |
| 22:21.34 | themill | gener1c: by default, no-one can connect to that print server remotely. But you can firewall it without any worries using iptables too if you want. |
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| 22:22.19 | gener1c | it just poped up on a nessus scan so i rase an eyebrow |
| 22:22.22 | wols | Artimus: what PC? ie what mobo? |
| 22:22.22 | gener1c | rose* |
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| 22:22.56 | Artimus | It's a Gigabyte Athlon64 motherboard. It's running 32-bit Ubuntu Feisty now, it's run 64-bit as of two weeks ago. |
| 22:23.55 | gryfel | Why do I need to install files like rom-modules for vice (x64) in other locations then usr/local? |
| 22:24.05 | gryfel | (per default) |
| 22:25.06 | wols | Artimus: then it must be the CD I'd say |
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| 22:25.13 | Artimus | It passes md5 |
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| 22:25.19 | Artimus | md5sum /dev/hdc returns the proper md5sum |
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| 22:25.24 | Artimus | (I burned as disk at once so I could verify it) |
| 22:25.29 | Artimus | It also boots in Vmware |
| 22:25.32 | karsten | So, when doing SW RAID, what partitions may *not* be RAIDed? I'm assuming that /boot and possibly / have to be on bare (unRAIDed) partitions. Correct?] |
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| 22:25.59 | Artimus | (as in, allow vmware access to the physical cdrom, boot off of that in vmware) |
| 22:26.02 | Artimus | worked great |
| 22:26.04 | wols | karsten: only boot afaik. |
| 22:26.10 | wols | can be initialised via initrd |
| 22:26.20 | xand | karsten: no |
| 22:26.26 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.36 | xand | /boot can be on RAID, if it's RAID12 |
| 22:26.40 | xand | erm, RAID1 |
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| 22:27.01 | wols | xand: then only one is used anyways, not really raid1 :) |
| 22:27.06 | xand | my / is on SW RAID1 including /boot |
| 22:27.12 | karsten | xand: OK, mirrored boot is OK. Which is what I'm doing. |
| 22:27.24 | xand | wols: well it is... but grub doesn't use it that way |
| 22:27.36 | karsten | wols: Since /boot is mounted read-only at boot time, it's sort of a non-issue. |
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| 22:28.48 | Artimus | I suppose I'll try to install debian with a USB drive instead |
| 22:29.38 | karsten | Actually, about four screwdrivers should be interesting. |
| 22:30.14 | scribz_ | chuck in a new disk (pre-installed with leenix) ? |
| 22:30.23 | karsten | An OS should be like a screw driver. One part vodka, three parts orange juice. |
| 22:30.36 | dondelelcaro | no adulterating the vodka |
| 22:30.53 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I don't keep it around long enough for it to be adulterated. |
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| 22:30.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It's immature like me. |
| 22:31.19 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Or as I prefer it... |
| 22:31.21 | dondelelcaro | a screwdriver should be 1 part vodka, three parts vodka. |
| 22:31.26 | Ronin | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 22:31.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Another case of the pot calling the Ketal black. |
| 22:31.40 | Ronin | karsten: then you need to age more like a fine wine or scotch |
| 22:31.41 | dondelelcaro | karsten: hideous |
| 22:31.43 | karsten | erm, Ketel. |
| 22:31.46 | xand | kettle |
| 22:32.00 | karsten | xand: It has a fluid action. |
| 22:32.20 | dondelelcaro | xand: a double works wonderfully; a tripple more so. |
| 22:34.49 | Ronin | all this talk about booze makes me want a beer, time to go pull a cool one from the keg |
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| 22:40.24 | Ronin | and a damn fine pint it is too |
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| 22:42.49 | gryfel | What is the big advantages, when using a 64-bit kernels/programms (on a intel dualcore-system). Mainly used for desktop-office usage, multimedia, coding, emulators/virtual machines (32-bit w2k) ? |
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| 22:43.47 | gryfel | am I right, that mixed 32 and 64-bit-programms slows down on intel dualcore? |
| 22:43.55 | wols | gryfel: you're not right |
| 22:44.30 | wols | two advantages: more memory space (only if you have 4GB or more RAM tho) |
| 22:44.45 | wols | and b) some apps like encoding, ssl, etc can run faster |
| 22:45.06 | wols | e.g. parallelizable apps which can process data twice as fast due to double the operand size |
| 22:45.48 | r4ndr4d4s | [wols] is the correct. |
| 22:46.28 | cartesian1984 | r4ndr4d4s: mmm, why did you flank his name with brackets? So it doesn't 'ping' him, so to speak? |
| 22:46.32 | wols | gryfel: there are disadvantages too tho |
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| 22:46.55 | r4ndr4d4s | sorry, mi irc client did it. |
| 22:47.04 | wols | ick. bad client |
| 22:47.08 | gryfel | I thought so. |
| 22:47.19 | r4ndr4d4s | mi=my |
| 22:47.36 | gryfel | Does it make problems, when running 32-bit binaries? |
| 22:47.40 | Largo | hi, does the 2.6.22 kernel rename block devices to sda ? |
| 22:47.47 | gryfel | (static linked) |
| 22:48.01 | Largo | I mean hda1 -> sda1 |
| 22:48.01 | wols | gryfel: first you have to get 32bit binaries installed (all the 32bit libraries) |
| 22:48.11 | wols | but the kernel can run 32bit binaries just fine |
| 22:48.21 | wols | statically linked would be fine |
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| 22:50.05 | dondelelcaro | Largo: depends on which block devices you're talking about. |
| 22:50.21 | gryfel | And I guess, filesize / memory usage will grow? |
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| 22:51.21 | Largo | dondelelcaro, I mean hard disks, /dev/hda1 changed to sda1 same for /dev/hda2 etc. |
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| 22:52.35 | Largo | after I made a dist-upgrade my kernel can't access the root file system, when it drops to a console all devices who were hdax went to sdax. I changed grub and /etc/fstab to match the changes, but somehow the kernel can only mount them read-only (it's a fresh debian install + dist-upgrade to testing) |
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| 22:54.04 | freeone3000 | I am running debian unstable with nvidia-glx and xserver-xorg installed from apt. My xorg.conf file reads: http://rafb.net/p/lSSIEC90.html |
| 22:55.16 | Largo | that's the only reference I found to my problem (same kernel message), but there is no solution: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=94825& |
| 22:56.43 | freeone3000 | Whoops. Forgot the problem. I'm trying to make it run at 1280x1024. Now, KDE running at 1024x768, which isn't even in the file, and it's not enabled. I can't change to 1280x1024. How do I fix this? |
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| 23:01.06 | lgc | Hi. How can I make gvim to keep the color scheme I chose from the menu? Thanks. |
| 23:02.55 | r4ndr4d4s | [lgc] set it in your ~/.vimrc file using "set coloscheme" command. |
| 23:03.08 | r4ndr4d4s | colorscheme |
| 23:03.30 | lgc | r4ndr4d4s, thanks, let me try it out... |
| 23:03.38 | r4ndr4d4s | :) |
| 23:03.55 | r4ndr4d4s | e.g. set colorscheme darkblue |
| 23:03.57 | Asmodee` | Is there a way to specify the order in which modules are loaded? /etc/modprobe.d/ doesn't even list the modules I'm interested in. |
| 23:04.14 | cafuego | Asmodee`: yes, add them in order in /etc/modules |
| 23:04.16 | r4ndr4d4s | [Asmodee`] /etc/modules ? |
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| 23:04.52 | Asmodee` | During boot process does /etc/modules take precendence and then any modules not listed there get searched/auto loaded? |
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| 23:05.32 | cafuego | Dunno, but there is an easy way to find out. |
| 23:05.40 | lgc | r4ndr4d4s, 'set colorscheme koehler'? |
| 23:05.41 | node_6 | !search |
| 23:05.41 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 23:05.53 | Asmodee` | not really. my issue is that sometimes one module is loaded before the other (seemingly random) and it cuases issues when one is loaded before the other |
| 23:05.57 | cafuego | For instance, the controller/filesystem modules would get loaded before anything in /etc/modules :-) |
| 23:06.10 | Asmodee` | so if I reboot and it works after modifying /etc/modules I won't know if that's just because it happened to load correctly that boot or not |
| 23:06.11 | venger | freeone3000, try saving off then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and add the res that way, compare confs later if needed |
| 23:06.14 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:06.22 | Asmodee` | ide controller module is specifically what I'm dealing with |
| 23:06.26 | cafuego | if the problem is networking, use /etc/iftab instead (or map interfaces using udev) |
| 23:06.32 | r4ndr4d4s | [lgc] i don't know whether koehler exists. |
| 23:06.41 | freeone3000 | venger: That's what I did, which is what I believe broke it, since it worked before but didn't work afterwards. |
| 23:06.49 | venger | freeone3000, make sure discoverer is installed |
| 23:06.51 | cafuego | Asmodee`: Then you'll want to force that to load in initrd |
| 23:07.00 | Asmodee` | sometimes my sis5513 (motherborad ide) gets loaded first and others my siimage (sil0680a addon ide card) gets loaded first |
| 23:07.28 | Asmodee` | ok I'll look into modifying initrd then. Thanks! |
| 23:07.43 | freeone3000 | venger: Ah. That may be the problem. Installing now... |
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| 23:08.04 | lgc | r4ndr4d4s, it does on the Edit>Color Scheme menu. But it throws an error if I include it on the .vimrc. |
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| 23:08.26 | r4ndr4d4s | ups, heheh i often use vim console version |
| 23:08.34 | r4ndr4d4s | are you using gvim ? |
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| 23:08.59 | lgc | r4ndr4d4s, yes. |
| 23:08.59 | cafuego | Asmodee`: Yeah, this is why we use partition UUID instead of device files :-) |
| 23:09.00 | r4ndr4d4s | ops sorry i can't help you about gvim. |
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| 23:09.13 | r4ndr4d4s | i prefeer vim ;). |
| 23:09.40 | Asmodee` | cafecubita: I noticed the raid devices I created during installation used UUID, but my swap and /boot partition did not, which is where the problem comes in |
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| 23:09.46 | Asmodee` | cafuego rather |
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| 23:10.09 | freeone3000 | Would `ldconfig: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8774 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.` be a problem if I'm using nvidia-glx, or is it expected? |
| 23:10.19 | cafuego | Asmodee`: They have one, you cna add it in menu.lst and fstab easily enough |
| 23:11.15 | venger | freeone3000, i'd comment that out and get to where you were headed then reinstall nvidia if you have to. did you recompile recently? |
| 23:11.42 | freeone3000 | venger: I uninstalled the drivers from their site and installed nvidia-glx fully yesterday, yes. |
| 23:11.52 | wols | freeone3000: did dpkg unpack this libGL? |
| 23:12.02 | freeone3000 | wols: I do not know. |
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| 23:13.02 | wols | freeone3000: how did you install it then? |
| 23:13.30 | freeone3000 | wols: nvidia-glx was installed through apt. I uninstalled the nvidia site drivers with ./NVID* -s --uninstall , which I assume either worked or didn't. |
| 23:13.44 | freeone3000 | wols: nvidia-glx was installed second. |
| 23:14.00 | lgc | r4ndr4d4s, it's not 'set colorscheme ...' it's just 'colorscheme ...'. |
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| 23:14.46 | wfq | hi |
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| 23:15.14 | wracko | hi everyone. does someone know how to remove ipv6? you know, like 'mv *ipv6* /dev/null |
| 23:15.23 | wfq | what is the debian package for the rar tool please? |
| 23:15.55 | wracko | wfq: unrar |
| 23:16.09 | Asmodee` | cafuego: So I'd change like /dev/hda3 to /dev/disks/by-uuid/blah in my fstab? |
| 23:16.12 | wracko | but |
| 23:16.34 | wracko | wtq: this package is in the non-free (i thunk) repositories |
| 23:16.40 | wracko | *i think |
| 23:16.48 | themill | wfq: unrar from non-free |
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| 23:18.21 | wfq | yes |
| 23:18.23 | wfq | i saw |
| 23:18.36 | wfq | but i have etch and it is not available for it |
| 23:18.54 | wracko | wfq: you can google and download it from the ftp mirror |
| 23:18.56 | themill | wfq: have you added non-free to your sources.list |
| 23:19.47 | wfq | themill, you alright this is the cause |
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| 23:23.05 | wfq | what happen is I install a non-free package in my system |
| 23:23.27 | wfq | this is a server. I am scared. I think I have all dependeces |
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| 23:25.08 | |porta| | How can I change the networkname of my debian system? |
| 23:26.03 | predder | I'm unsure of what you mean by networkname. Perhaps hostname? man hostname |
| 23:26.27 | |porta| | ty... yes that is what I ment :-) |
| 23:26.33 | |porta| | still learning :-) |
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| 23:26.44 | cartesian1984 | |porta|: it's typically the one line in /etc/hostname. |
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| 23:27.06 | |porta| | so I only need to vi /etc/hostname and change it? |
| 23:27.11 | |porta| | then reboot? |
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| 23:28.37 | nvz | ok I just got this mobo with an nVidia MCP61 (Biostar Microtech: unknown device 820d) High Definition Audio device is what lspci says, the mobo book says it is an Intel ALC861VD/ALC888 supposedly the hda_intel module supports this device but alsaconf in debian finds nothing and I don't see an hda_intel module |
| 23:28.52 | nvz | please advise :P |
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| 23:31.40 | themill | nvz: snd_hda_intel is the module, and run the newest kernel you can... |
| 23:33.11 | karsten | what screenshot utilities are there? I can think of xwd, import, and scrot. |
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| 23:34.50 | dkr_ | Anybody else in here having weird wireless issues with their Orinoco card thats supposed to work with free software? |
| 23:35.00 | dkr_ | iwconfig and dhclient do not bind to an address. |
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| 23:37.05 | node_6 | I'm curious why the distribution is called 'amd64' if it applies to intel chips as well? |
| 23:37.14 | TLF | hi, may I ask, anyone it's having problem with tildes in spanish keyboards? |
| 23:37.22 | karsten | node_6: It refers to the CPU instructionset. |
| 23:37.22 | dvs | node_6: yes, but AMD invented it |
| 23:37.26 | karsten | node_6: AMD won. |
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| 23:37.49 | karsten | node_6: There's also IA64, IRC, which is the (lesser-used) Intel "Itanium" instruction set. |
| 23:38.06 | node_6 | right, but that can't be used for the core2 chips that are popular now, can it? |
| 23:38.09 | dvs | em64t sounds dumb anyways |
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| 23:39.17 | |porta| | How do I enable Ctrl-Alt-F1 Threw F7 functions? |
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| 23:41.28 | wols | node_6: AMD64 can be used for core2 chips |
| 23:42.17 | node_6 | wols: IA64 cannot, can it? |
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| 23:43.17 | themill | night all! |
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| 23:44.38 | wols | ia64 is totally different arhitecture and chip |
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| 23:46.00 | cockroach | hi. i'm trying to install debian (using various testing-installers) on an amd64 machine but i keep getting "No kernel modules were found" during the installation. What's wrong there? |
| 23:46.28 | Guerin | cockroach: testing installers are routinely broken. Use stable. |
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| 23:47.05 | cockroach | Guerin: can't, doesn't know my chipset |
| 23:47.15 | cockroach | (ich9) |
| 23:47.18 | Guerin | sucks. |
| 23:47.24 | Guerin | what kernel version does? |
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| 23:47.52 | jcjoey3652 | Question: i am running apache2 on debian sarge (netinst). i am trying to install torrentflux. however, when i run the setup for flux i get an error that the php running on apache cannot access /var/www/inc/config/config.db.php i have tried to chmod 755 the inc dir but doesnot work. i have read about apache a little and seems apache runs a "nobody" so i cant chown to "apache". this seems like something so simple but im just not that |
| 23:47.55 | jcjoey3652 | permissions |
| 23:48.01 | cockroach | Guerin: i'm not exactly sure, checking... |
| 23:48.17 | Guerin | jcjoey3652: apache on debian runs as www-data |
| 23:48.30 | Guerin | cockroach: /msg dpkg kmuto and see if his custom installers work |
| 23:48.32 | themill | and there was no apache2 for sarge... |
| 23:48.34 | cockroach | Guerin: .21 should |
| 23:48.44 | cockroach | Guerin: okay, thanks |
| 23:48.48 | Guerin | cockroach: i think kmuto did one with .21 - good luck |
| 23:48.54 | cockroach | cool |
| 23:48.59 | themill | (ooops.. yes there was... definitely bed time) |
| 23:49.14 | jcjoey3652 | Guerin: so "chown www-data inc" ??? |
| 23:49.21 | SiliconViper | jcjoey3652, 755 should allow read-exec to anyone. |
| 23:49.54 | Guerin | jcjoey3652: 755 should work for that. but make sure the containing dir also grans r+x |
| 23:50.03 | Guerin | yeah, what he said |
| 23:50.05 | jcjoey3652 | SiliconViper: i have tried that does it apply that to all sub directory or do i have to do each one |
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| 23:50.18 | Projectshifter | nvz_: you around m8? |
| 23:50.26 | SiliconViper | jcjoey3652, just the specified file. |
| 23:50.38 | hatter | what will happen to an email if it cant resolve dns ? will it bounce or try again later ? |
| 23:50.43 | SiliconViper | chmod -R for all subs. |
| 23:50.58 | jcjoey3652 | SiliconViper: what if the specified file has not been created yet |
| 23:51.03 | Guerin | hatter: should try again later |
| 23:51.56 | hatter | Guerin, thats what i would think, thx. it's supposed to retry if the host is unreachable also isnt it ? |
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| 23:52.14 | jcjoey3652 | SiliconViper: i am going to try the -r thing thanks for the help guys |
| 23:52.23 | Guerin | hatter: yes. The standard is documented in a rfc, but I think it keeps trying for 4 days or something. |
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| 23:53.49 | hatter | Guerin, thx |
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| 23:55.41 | |porta| | When installing or upgrading is everything done with aptitude? |
| 23:55.53 | Guerin | yes |
| 23:56.34 | |porta| | do I need to aptitude search kern* to see the newest kernel then do aptitude upgrade Kern** ? |
| 23:57.25 | |porta| | to upgrade? |
| 23:57.51 | Krypton | how is from brazil here? |
| 23:58.01 | nvz_ | Projectshifter: uh huh |
| 23:58.39 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: uh, no. |
| 23:58.59 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: you generally don't need to restrict your upgrade to specific packages |
| 23:59.02 | |porta| | Please point me in the right direction. |
| 23:59.22 | |porta| | would I use aptitude upgrade *.*?? to do a full package upgrade? |
| 23:59.24 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: but if you think you do, the easiest way is to use the curses interface to select the specific version that you want to upgrade to |
| 23:59.35 | dondelelcaro | |porta|: no, just aptitude upgrade; |
| 23:59.40 | |porta| | ty |
