| 00:00.06 | Varange | I've never used Debian in graphical mode |
| 00:00.21 | Absolute0 | everyone in here, experiment before inquiring! :) |
| 00:00.26 | Absolute0 | i hope i spelled that right |
| 00:00.28 | Supaplex | iPod-nano: #asterisk |
| 00:00.36 | iPod-nano | In there. |
| 00:00.42 | Supaplex | !tias |
| 00:00.42 | dpkg | i guess tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 00:01.16 | Absolute0 | ok now its full screen but looks like crap! |
| 00:01.18 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 00:01.33 | Absolute0 | i think its like 600x300 stretched! |
| 00:01.47 | Varange | you killed it!!! repent! |
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| 00:01.56 | Absolute0 | alah hakbah! |
| 00:01.56 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 00:02.20 | Absolute0 | i am gonna be a suicide bomber for this channel |
| 00:02.22 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:02.34 | Absolute0 | i am installing virtual box |
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| 00:02.40 | Absolute0 | open source is always better |
| 00:02.43 | shark | anyone know a driver to r/w ntfs partitions, except ntfs-3g, that works for etch? |
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| 00:03.06 | Varange | at last you found a useful purpose to your life... in an IRC channel! |
| 00:03.10 | Absolute0 | even though the other ones cost a fortune |
| 00:03.18 | dalias | :) |
| 00:03.22 | Absolute0 | JIHAD!!!!!!!!1 |
| 00:03.23 | marco_polo | hi, i have trouble using the 'close sesion' and 'change session ' commands in gnome |
| 00:03.24 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 00:03.24 | marco_polo | any idea ? |
| 00:04.23 | dalias | is there any sort of 'close but save session' option in iceweasel? |
| 00:04.26 | Absolute0 | abrotman do you know if i can raise the resolution in vmware? |
| 00:04.38 | Supaplex | dalias: bookmark all tabs? |
| 00:04.40 | dalias | i keep killing it with xkill or kill-9 to get it to restore my session |
| 00:04.54 | dalias | i mean a way to auto-reload whatever was there last time it exited |
| 00:04.57 | Varange | Absolute0, abrotman does not know about VMware |
| 00:04.59 | iPod-nano | nnobody in #asterisk appears to be useful. |
| 00:05.05 | dalias | without having to resore to unclean killing like i'm doing :) |
| 00:05.09 | Supaplex | dalias: I think there's an addon for it |
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| 00:05.29 | Varange | what on earth is iceweasel? |
| 00:05.37 | Supaplex | !tell Varange -about why iceweasel |
| 00:05.46 | Absolute0 | Varange then why the hell did you suggest i ask him?! |
| 00:05.57 | Absolute0 | iceweasel rocks! |
| 00:06.10 | Varange | Absolute0, ask him about screen res in Debian, but not in vmware |
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| 00:06.24 | Absolute0 | i wish my laptop had all open source drivers so i can install debian natively |
| 00:06.25 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 00:06.32 | Varange | nah, firefox is WAY better than iceweasel |
| 00:06.32 | Absolute0 | Varange well that i can do myself |
| 00:06.38 | Varange | Absolute0, see? |
| 00:06.42 | Absolute0 | the install is crappy |
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| 00:06.52 | Absolute0 | when i start X i will fidge around |
| 00:06.58 | Absolute0 | is fidge a word? |
| 00:06.59 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 00:07.00 | Supaplex | iPod-nano: what ports need to be forwarded? is * registering to? |
| 00:07.28 | iPod-nano | 5060 and 5061, as far as I know. |
| 00:07.31 | dalias | varange, huh? |
| 00:07.36 | dalias | how would firefox be better? |
| 00:07.43 | Varange | just so |
| 00:07.47 | dalias | last time i checked their crappy binaryware wasn't even linked with pango.. |
| 00:07.50 | Varange | (pulling your leg) |
| 00:08.03 | Varange | fridge |
| 00:08.06 | Varange | fudge |
| 00:08.13 | Varange | phudge |
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| 00:08.27 | Varange | !pango |
| 00:08.34 | Absolute0 | firefox is the same exact thing as iceweasel! |
| 00:08.39 | Absolute0 | only different logo! |
| 00:08.42 | Absolute0 | FYI |
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| 00:08.46 | Varange | no, really? no shit? |
| 00:08.51 | epiclulz | oh hello |
| 00:08.57 | Varange | oh hello |
| 00:09.03 | Absolute0 | i dont know, you people are arguing about it.. |
| 00:09.04 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 00:09.08 | dalias | :P |
| 00:09.09 | Varange | lol |
| 00:09.24 | Absolute0 | the logo is sexier though! |
| 00:09.39 | Absolute0 | they should have some sexy fox wrapped around the globe |
| 00:09.53 | dalias | lol |
| 00:10.01 | Absolute0 | grabbed from some open source porn vid |
| 00:10.03 | Varange | how about a logo consisting of chickens makig out? |
| 00:10.07 | Xanthor|aw | hasn't IceWeasel got some security / compatibility patches that aren't in Fx ? |
| 00:10.18 | dalias | let's find some gpl-licensed pr0n for the new iceweasel logo |
| 00:10.23 | epiclulz | hello! |
| 00:10.24 | dalias | then iceweasel will be sexier |
| 00:10.24 | Absolute0 | i dont i think its the same exact thing |
| 00:10.57 | dalias | the ff logo should be some windows developer kiddies wanking |
| 00:11.06 | dalias | #*(&#$ assholes making debian change the name |
| 00:11.20 | pipeline | the firefox logo should just be a big G, and maybe a dead fishh |
| 00:11.20 | Varange | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceWeasel |
| 00:11.43 | dalias | gnu iceweasel is vaporware |
| 00:11.51 | dalias | as opposed to the debian one which is just repackaged firefox |
| 00:11.52 | Absolute0 | G ? for gnu? |
| 00:12.05 | pipeline | for google |
| 00:12.10 | dalias | lol |
| 00:12.11 | Absolute0 | how come debian is the only distro that uses the ice weasel name? |
| 00:12.16 | dalias | yeah they're google's whores... |
| 00:12.18 | Absolute0 | archlinux has firefox |
| 00:12.24 | Absolute0 | and its more up to date |
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| 00:12.38 | dalias | absolute0, because all the other distros just ship mozilla's binaryware |
| 00:12.47 | Absolute0 | agha |
| 00:12.56 | dalias | only debian cares about the freedom to fix vulns |
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| 00:13.14 | Absolute0 | well debian is stable as hell! |
| 00:13.20 | dalias | (and make minor patches to things that violate debian policy, probably regarding paths and such) |
| 00:13.30 | Absolute0 | and you gotta love the minimum configuration |
| 00:13.38 | dalias | yeah debian rocks for most uses |
| 00:14.13 | Absolute0 | anyone knows if i can change the font size in mirc? |
| 00:14.28 | Absolute0 | damn nothing is configurable in windows |
| 00:14.30 | pipeline | Absolute0: I don't think this is the right place for that |
| 00:14.33 | Absolute0 | only open source apps |
| 00:14.52 | dalias | :P |
| 00:14.57 | drwahl | how much hard drive space is needed for a base install of debian lenny? |
| 00:14.57 | Absolute0 | pipeline sorry for asking |
| 00:15.00 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 00:15.01 | dalias | mirc does have configurable font |
| 00:15.19 | Absolute0 | drwahl about 5 gigs |
| 00:15.25 | drwahl | Absolute0: thank you |
| 00:15.30 | Absolute0 | sure |
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| 00:15.53 | Absolute0 | woohoo big fonts in mirc |
| 00:15.55 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:16.03 | drwahl | does that include an X server and such? cause i only really need to run samba and apache |
| 00:16.13 | Absolute0 | yeah X is tiny |
| 00:16.25 | Absolute0 | 5 should be enough |
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| 00:16.36 | Absolute0 | just dont do any pirating and you're good |
| 00:16.40 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:16.42 | drwahl | haha |
| 00:17.04 | drwahl | i have 1TB of disk space i want to use for storage, so i am trying to get a minimal install so that i can get samba and apache up for a file/web server |
| 00:17.07 | Absolute0 | you can use captive to write on your ntfs if you do decide to pirate |
| 00:17.08 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:17.10 | Varange | Absolute0, install irssi and/or xchat into debain for a chat client. No more mIRC |
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| 00:17.27 | Absolute0 | i always use irssi |
| 00:17.38 | Absolute0 | but i cant get sound or wireless on debian |
| 00:17.41 | Varange | drwahl, only a terabyte? ooooh. so small. puny, really |
| 00:17.44 | Absolute0 | so i gotta do it through vmware |
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| 00:17.57 | Absolute0 | Varange lol |
| 00:18.06 | pipeline | what sound card isn't supported under ALSA in this day and age? |
| 00:18.09 | pipeline | I only know of one chipset :P |
| 00:18.11 | drwahl | Varange: understandable, but i do not do that much pirating. plus i have a student loan to pay off :( |
| 00:18.18 | Varange | lol drwahl |
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| 00:18.38 | Absolute0 | pipeline its the intel snd driver thats not supported |
| 00:18.39 | drwahl | will a 1TB partition work with ext3? |
| 00:18.42 | Varange | who cares about the size of an install when you have a terabyte, I ask ya |
| 00:18.43 | Absolute0 | i forgot the name |
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| 00:18.55 | dalias | *sigh* it's taken me forever to get fonts looking decent |
| 00:19.03 | dalias | but i've finally mostly done it |
| 00:19.17 | Absolute0 | what does the size of a partition have to do with its type? |
| 00:19.21 | Vulto | what bash completion does debian use? If i am not mistaken, when you type cd then tab, it shows only directories, it was previously configured or is using some nice bash completion |
| 00:19.35 | dalias | default fontconfig setup annoyingly has a lot of REALLY BROKEN fonts in its defaults |
| 00:19.36 | Absolute0 | dalias just install bitstream vera |
| 00:19.51 | Absolute0 | and debian configures it automatically |
| 00:20.02 | dalias | yes i dont hae any problems with gui fonts |
| 00:20.03 | amphi | dejavu sans mono seems a nice terminal font |
| 00:20.08 | dalias | i mean fonts websites use and such |
| 00:20.08 | Xanthor|aw | Absolute0 : http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=97 Indeed, I was true, Iceweasel has some patches not in Fx |
| 00:20.11 | Absolute0 | also you can get the windows fonts |
| 00:20.18 | Absolute0 | and terminus for console! |
| 00:20.23 | dalias | helvetica is aliased to nimbus sans l |
| 00:20.30 | dalias | courier to nimbus mono l |
| 00:20.30 | dalias | etc |
| 00:20.36 | drwahl | Absolute0: uh... i'm an idiot :) i'm thinking block sizes, which doesnt really matter, cause i dont have a 1TB file |
| 00:20.47 | dalias | and these fonts have extremely broken kerning so that the letters run into one another... |
| 00:20.47 | Nyle | hello |
| 00:20.48 | Absolute0 | Xanthor|aw like i said iceweasel is better! |
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| 00:20.51 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 00:21.04 | infinity0 | is it a bug that chmod x * screws up when the directory contains a file starting with "-" ? |
| 00:21.06 | Varange | I still prefer firefox |
| 00:21.14 | dalias | i had to setup fontconfig to refuse to use them |
| 00:21.17 | pipeline | Absolute0: yeah, I don't think there are any intel audio things that don't work :) |
| 00:21.18 | Nyle | infinity0: no, you need to escape - |
| 00:21.33 | infinity0 | Nyle: i can't escape it it's part of the * modifier |
| 00:21.34 | dalias | and then alias helvetica and nimbus sans l to freeserif (which is the modern, fixed version of nimbus sans l) |
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| 00:21.37 | Nyle | infinity0: I went through the same thing because my music folder was called ---MUSIC--- |
| 00:21.40 | Xanthor|aw | yes Absolute0, I agree |
| 00:21.43 | Absolute0 | pipeline well everyone in here told me that my card isnt supported the other day.. |
| 00:21.49 | Nyle | infinity0: I dunno what to tell you |
| 00:21.52 | dalias | and alias times and nimbus roman no9 l to freeserif |
| 00:21.53 | dalias | etc. |
| 00:22.01 | pipeline | Absolute0: give me the lspci line for it. It strikes me as pretty weird that it wouldn't have a driver. |
| 00:22.04 | infinity0 | Nyle: oh ok :( |
| 00:22.09 | dalias | and btw |
| 00:22.20 | Nyle | infinity0: I ended up renaming ---Music to ___Music |
| 00:22.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:22.23 | dalias | bitstream vera = bad, it's missing tons of chars outside basic latin1 |
| 00:22.29 | Nyle | infinity0: I couldn't figure out how to do it either |
| 00:22.30 | dalias | dejavu is a much better choice |
| 00:22.35 | Nyle | no |
| 00:22.37 | dalias | at least for the default font |
| 00:22.38 | Nyle | not just dejavu |
| 00:22.39 | Absolute0 | pipeline you think debian on vmware will give me the correct lspci reading? |
| 00:22.42 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:22.44 | infinity0 | Nyle: you can chmod it specifically with ./---Music--- :p |
| 00:22.45 | Nyle | but... DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf |
| 00:22.46 | dalias | nyle, ? |
| 00:22.50 | dalias | ah :) |
| 00:22.51 | pipeline | Absolute0: Well, that's not my fault now is it. |
| 00:22.53 | infinity0 | Nyle: but i dunno how to make it work when i'm referring to it with * |
| 00:22.54 | Nyle | thats the best font ever! in the whole wide world! |
| 00:22.55 | Nyle | "D |
| 00:23.01 | infinity0 | Nyle: oh wait i'll try ./* lol |
| 00:23.03 | Nyle | infinity0: thats a problem |
| 00:23.04 | dalias | the condensed version does not have hinting |
| 00:23.09 | spx2 | talking of fonts |
| 00:23.10 | Nyle | dalias: it does |
| 00:23.14 | dalias | it does? |
| 00:23.17 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:23.18 | spx2 | I have a problem konqueror shows weird stuff |
| 00:23.19 | dalias | i thought it didn't |
| 00:23.21 | Nyle | the regular version doesn'thave hinting |
| 00:23.26 | dalias | hmm |
| 00:23.26 | Nyle | you have it backwards :) |
| 00:23.32 | Nyle | afaik anyway |
| 00:23.35 | dalias | the regular version definitely has hinting |
| 00:23.42 | Nyle | well, I only like condensed |
| 00:23.47 | dalias | :) |
| 00:23.50 | dalias | I like both |
| 00:24.00 | Nyle | actually right now (and don't hit me) I am using msttcorefonts Comic Sans MS |
| 00:24.01 | dalias | i also like legendum a lot: |
| 00:24.05 | Nyle | good looking font |
| 00:24.08 | dalias | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~slam/fonts/fonts.html |
| 00:24.10 | pingouin | what could i have forgotten in an kernel configuration that make this : when i mount an mp3 player (fully ums) the kernel see it, but the log spit : debian kernel: sdc: unknown partition table, but, with the debian kernel this message does not appear, and the player is sdx reconnized . thanks for anyclue |
| 00:24.11 | Nyle | cartoony |
| 00:24.11 | dalias | UHGGGG |
| 00:24.18 | dalias | comic sans is the most evil font ever |
| 00:24.21 | Nyle | haha |
| 00:24.25 | pingouin | /s/mount/plug |
| 00:24.30 | dalias | especially when anime sub groups rip and hardsub anime using it :(((( |
| 00:24.40 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:24.49 | Nyle | now anime, there is some evil |
| 00:25.05 | Nyle | I'll stick to my Futurama and Family Guy and Southpark |
| 00:25.08 | dalias | if it's narutardo or something then yes... |
| 00:25.51 | Absolute0 | the vista gui is pretty nice |
| 00:25.59 | Absolute0 | reminds me of clearlooks :-P |
| 00:26.12 | Nyle | I saw this one called Berzerk, 10 DVD set, some guy walking around with a sword bigger than him, and just badass he is, going around randomly kicking demon ass, laying entire armies to waste single handed |
| 00:26.23 | Nyle | Absolute0: I like the glass |
| 00:26.24 | dalias | aside from the drm, vista is much better than previous windows versions |
| 00:26.27 | pipeline | pingouin: there are a number of partition formats other than DOS |
| 00:26.31 | Nyle | I kinda like the vista look |
| 00:26.34 | Nyle | but I hate vista |
| 00:26.48 | Nyle | !partitions |
| 00:26.48 | dpkg | somebody said partitions was Don't use multiple partitions unless you have a good reason to do so and understand the ramifications! The Sarge installer recommends only a swap partition and a root (/) partition, this is perfectly fine for just about everybody. |
| 00:26.55 | Nyle | nm |
| 00:27.03 | Absolute0 | !drm |
| 00:27.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp |
| 00:27.16 | infinity0 | Nyle: aha! ./* worked :D |
| 00:27.26 | Nyle | infinity0: so you needed to specify a full path |
| 00:27.28 | Nyle | I suppose |
| 00:27.44 | Nyle | i have this dir named ---music--- and i can't even cd to it with console |
| 00:27.50 | Nyle | any help |
| 00:27.57 | infinity0 | Nyle: uh... full path should work? |
| 00:28.08 | Nyle | how about if you want to create a dir named like, mkdir ---blah--- |
| 00:28.15 | Nyle | there are so many - that it errors out |
| 00:28.18 | infinity0 | mkdir ./---blah--- ? |
| 00:28.19 | pingouin | pipeline: hmm, ok, i have to check , but i'm sure i've put 'fat' stuffs in the kernel |
| 00:28.22 | dalias | imo the s/rights/restrictions/ in DRM is unnecessary |
| 00:28.24 | Nyle | infinity0: hmm letme try that |
| 00:28.30 | dalias | "digital rights management" is a correct name for it |
| 00:28.36 | dalias | it's not managing the author's rights |
| 00:28.43 | dalias | it's "managing" the user's rights :P |
| 00:28.57 | Nyle | should be digital user rights management |
| 00:28.58 | infinity0 | Nyle: works for me ^^ |
| 00:29.00 | Nyle | durm |
| 00:29.06 | Nyle | infinity0: sweet, thanks man |
| 00:29.25 | \amethyst | or just "digital user management" |
| 00:29.27 | infinity0 | Nyle: np :) actually if you try to rm a file starting with "-" it tells you what to do :p |
| 00:29.43 | amphi | Nyle: um, mkdir -- ---blah ? |
| 00:29.46 | Absolute0 | pipeline my card is SigmaTel STAC9200 |
| 00:29.53 | Nyle | amphi: what does the -- do, I' |
| 00:29.57 | Absolute0 | pipeline know if its supported? |
| 00:29.58 | Nyle | ve seen it in a few commands |
| 00:29.59 | Nyle | oops |
| 00:30.07 | amphi | Nyle: means no more args |
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| 00:30.10 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:30.15 | Nyle | well i'll be damned |
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| 00:30.19 | amphi | options rather |
| 00:30.22 | \amethyst | -- means "stop processing options" in most GNU and Posix utilities |
| 00:30.28 | Nyle | sweet |
| 00:30.42 | Absolute0 | pipeline lots of people on google couldnt get it working either |
| 00:30.45 | Nyle | I want to learn perl and regex |
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| 00:30.50 | Nyle | I think I'll do that soon |
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| 00:31.40 | pipeline | Absolute0: yeah, intel HDA. That should definitely work, you just have to add modprobe arguments. Google for "intel hda linux modprobe.conf," you'll surely find something. |
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| 00:32.53 | Absolute0 | ehh now you tell me? |
| 00:32.53 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 00:33.33 | Absolute0 | do i have to install it or it comes standard with the base install? |
| 00:33.37 | pipeline | Absolute0: as for wireless, well, it is what it is. Buy a better card next time. Or learn to love ndiswrapper. |
| 00:33.58 | Absolute0 | love ndiswrapper? |
| 00:34.06 | Absolute0 | i dont even know what it is |
| 00:34.09 | Absolute0 | some windows wrapper? |
| 00:34.10 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:34.13 | pipeline | NDIS was the 3com/Microsoft standard for windows network drivers. |
| 00:34.22 | Sisk | It wraps Windows wireless drivers so you can use them in Linux |
| 00:34.25 | pipeline | ndiswrapper lets you load NDIS drivers as a binary blob |
| 00:34.27 | Absolute0 | is it hard to configure? |
| 00:34.28 | Sisk | In theory anyway |
| 00:34.29 | pipeline | sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't |
| 00:34.36 | pipeline | it's a pain in the ass |
| 00:34.59 | Absolute0 | pipeline i almost forgot i also have an ati card which means no 3d games over wine either! |
| 00:35.13 | Sisk | Get Cedega |
| 00:35.27 | Nyle | cedega is kinda crapola |
| 00:35.46 | Sisk | Meh, I use it all the time. It works on about 3/4 of the games I've tried. |
| 00:35.48 | Nyle | at least for me, because it doesn't run what I want, then again, I should just dual boot |
| 00:35.50 | Absolute0 | so i decided to settle with vista runnning with debian on vmware |
| 00:35.51 | pipeline | Absolute0: you probably shouldn't be running linux on your desktop to play games. |
| 00:36.01 | pipeline | also, cedega is way, way, way out of date. |
| 00:36.04 | Nyle | which I used to do |
| 00:36.05 | Absolute0 | Sisk cedega isnt free wine is |
| 00:36.06 | pipeline | the mainstream wine tree actually supports more stuff now |
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| 00:36.08 | Absolute0 | and they are the sae |
| 00:36.20 | Absolute0 | pipeline probably |
| 00:36.25 | Absolute0 | but its nice to have it handy |
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| 00:36.27 | pipeline | Transgaming treated the wine project really poorly for a long time, so wine changed its license. |
| 00:36.33 | pipeline | So... Cedega is several years out of date now. |
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| 00:36.41 | Nyle | I am playing Super Mario RPG on ZSNES with a $2.99 Gravis Gamepad Pro USB edition |
| 00:36.49 | Nyle | its the freaking bomb yo |
| 00:36.56 | Absolute0 | yo? |
| 00:36.58 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 00:37.08 | Nyle | why laugh at people's way of talking? |
| 00:37.11 | Absolute0 | xsnes is nice |
| 00:37.12 | Sisk | Absolute0 you can get the CVS for free. I've not tried to run games in Wine for a while |
| 00:37.20 | Absolute0 | *zsnes |
| 00:37.24 | krazykit | Nyle, the early 90s are here, they want their slang back. |
| 00:37.25 | Sisk | Actually, I don't have much time for games anyway |
| 00:37.48 | Nyle | krazykit: I say it all the time, have been. Slang isn't the same everywhere, I hope you keep this in mind |
| 00:38.05 | Sisk | Hrm....I may have to try Wine then....how's it do for newer games? |
| 00:38.12 | Nyle | dunno |
| 00:38.15 | Nyle | it runs diablo 2 |
| 00:38.17 | krazykit | Sisk, you could check the appdb for compatibility |
| 00:38.17 | Absolute0 | can resizing the windows partition with qtparted destroy or corrupt data on the ntfs partition? |
| 00:38.18 | Nyle | thats all I care about |
| 00:38.28 | Nyle | Absolute0: absolutely |
| 00:38.36 | krazykit | Absolute0, it's possible, certainly, but not terribly likely. back up anything important first. |
| 00:38.46 | Absolute0 | alright |
| 00:38.54 | Sisk | I probably will at some point. Odds are I'll end up just running ReactOS on a portable HDD for gaming once it finally gets to beta. |
| 00:38.56 | Absolute0 | i dont have anything important to back up |
| 00:38.58 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 00:39.20 | dalias | nyle, dejavu sans condensed has no hints |
| 00:39.25 | Nyle | Absolute0: you could maybe try partition magic or a illegal cd called Hiren's Boot Disk or maybe a legal one called The Ultimate Boot CD or there is a good oss/gnu partition manager called Partition manager |
| 00:39.30 | Nyle | dalias: that sucks |
| 00:39.33 | Absolute0 | Nyle whats so good about diablo 2? |
| 00:39.33 | Nyle | it looks great here |
| 00:39.45 | Nyle | dalias: http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/kde.jpg |
| 00:39.48 | Absolute0 | Nyle i just use knoppix :-P |
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| 00:39.56 | Absolute0 | it comes with every app i need |
| 00:40.03 | Nyle | debian does too |
| 00:40.12 | Absolute0 | debian doesnt have a live cd |
| 00:40.14 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:40.14 | Nyle | over 15k packages and counting |
| 00:40.22 | Nyle | debian doesn't need a live cd |
| 00:40.27 | Nyle | !livecd |
| 00:40.27 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:40.32 | Nyle | here is something though |
| 00:40.37 | Absolute0 | Nyle shut up! |
| 00:40.39 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 00:40.39 | Sisk | Absolute0 If in doubt backup and try it. I've had good luck with GPartEd |
| 00:40.40 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:41.00 | Absolute0 | we're talking about resizing partitions not the benefits of debian! |
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| 00:41.26 | Nyle | dalias: I used mainly DejaVu Serif Condensed |
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| 00:42.07 | dalias | oh, serif |
| 00:42.10 | dalias | i was thinking sans |
| 00:42.13 | Absolute0 | if i only have one partition how would i back it up? |
| 00:42.21 | Absolute0 | using my 4 gig ipod? |
| 00:42.22 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:42.33 | Supaplex | with care |
| 00:42.41 | dalias | i didnt even realize serif had condensed version |
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| 00:42.50 | Sisk | That'd actually work if you just backed up the stuff you need and then reinstall Windows if you need to. |
| 00:42.54 | Absolute0 | does ntfs scatter its data or it goes from beginning to end? |
| 00:43.07 | Absolute0 | !ntfs |
| 00:43.07 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 00:43.57 | Varange | bye |
| 00:43.58 | Absolute0 | why do linux geeks like to bash windows so much? |
| 00:44.07 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:44.11 | krazykit | Absolute0, because it really sucks that bad :P |
| 00:44.18 | Absolute0 | "Microsoft's attempt" |
| 00:44.31 | Absolute0 | it is but microsoft has all the money |
| 00:44.32 | Sisk | Because of the number of us who run Linux because we're fed up with Microsoft's lousy attempt at an OS probably |
| 00:44.37 | Absolute0 | open source has nothing |
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| 00:44.46 | Absolute0 | even though its a million times better :( |
| 00:45.07 | Absolute0 | i like what ubuntu is doing |
| 00:45.15 | krazykit | that's because the philosophy behind open-source (and Free) software is different |
| 00:45.19 | Nyle | stealing from debian? |
| 00:45.19 | Sisk | Meh, Open source has a much larger pool of coding talent to pull frum. |
| 00:45.19 | Varange | Absolute0, Linuxers like to bash Windahs because they feel threatened |
| 00:45.22 | Sisk | from even |
| 00:45.42 | Supaplex | they're riding our coattails. that's ok. it's getting FOSS out there. |
| 00:45.44 | Varange | ubuntu? ugh |
| 00:45.46 | Absolute0 | Varange i thought you left? |
| 00:45.47 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:45.50 | Nyle | money doesn't mean anything |
| 00:45.51 | Sisk | Ok, for the record, open source and free software are two different, but compatible, philosophies. |
| 00:45.55 | Varange | lol Absolute0 |
| 00:46.02 | Nyle | when bill gates die, he will die alone |
| 00:46.08 | Absolute0 | ubuntu promotes linux and sends free cds to anyone who wants them |
| 00:46.08 | Nyle | all his money aint goin with him |
| 00:46.15 | Absolute0 | and makes linux easy for retards |
| 00:46.17 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:46.23 | amphi | Varange: windows cries out for bashing - no need to feel threatened |
| 00:46.24 | Nyle | ubuntu doesn't do that |
| 00:46.27 | Varange | retards should stick to Windows |
| 00:46.29 | Nyle | canonical does it |
| 00:46.40 | Nyle | from the billions of dollars shuttleworth has |
| 00:46.43 | Varange | amphi, :) was being facetious |
| 00:46.46 | Supaplex | retards should get an education |
| 00:46.49 | dalias | i dont feel threatened by windows |
| 00:46.50 | krazykit | Nyle, yeah, all that money the gates foundation gives to charities makes him a real bad person @_@. bash the software, not the (former) head. |
| 00:46.54 | Sisk | Ubuntu does good things for Linux in general. Doesn't mean I'd use or recommend it. But hey, getting Linux out there is good for the rest of us |
| 00:46.55 | Nyle | if debian had this kind of funding, I'm sure it would also send the free cds |
| 00:46.56 | dalias | 10 years ago windows was a threat |
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| 00:46.57 | Supaplex | retards should educuate themself to |
| 00:46.58 | Absolute0 | Nyle whats the point of knowing how to code if you're not gonna get paid for it? |
| 00:47.11 | Nyle | what is the point in drinking if you don't get drunk? |
| 00:47.11 | Varange | retards cannot be eductaed |
| 00:47.12 | dalias | now it's just "that crappy platform we have to waste effort supporting" |
| 00:47.19 | Sisk | krazykit, he gives money only to get tax breaks. |
| 00:47.24 | dalias | (e.g. making sure websites work ok with msie shit) |
| 00:47.32 | Nyle | Varange: making fun of mentally disabled is extremely childish |
| 00:47.34 | krazykit | Sisk, i seriously doubt that. |
| 00:47.35 | Nyle | grow up will you |
| 00:47.38 | Absolute0 | where does ubuntu get funding from anyways? |
| 00:47.54 | Nyle | ask them |
| 00:47.57 | Nyle | join #ubuntu |
| 00:47.59 | Varange | Nyle, lol |
| 00:48.04 | dalias | absolute0, what's the point of knowing how to have sex if you're not going to get paid for it? |
| 00:48.10 | Supaplex | Absolute0: the guy traveled to space. do the math. |
| 00:48.17 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:48.18 | Varange | ubuntu gets money from Mark Shuttleworth |
| 00:48.20 | Nyle | I go to space every night |
| 00:48.21 | Sisk | Doubt it all you want. It's what every billionare American does. That's why the top 10% of Americans pay like half a percent of the taxes |
| 00:48.21 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 00:48.26 | Nyle | its no big deal, goingn to space |
| 00:48.35 | Nyle | hell, gimme 10 minutes, i'll be talking to ya from the moon |
| 00:48.58 | Absolute0 | damn vmvare is slow! |
| 00:49.00 | Varange | a friend with weed is a friend indeed |
| 00:49.01 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 00:49.11 | Absolute0 | still installing base! |
| 00:49.13 | Absolute0 | over an hour! |
| 00:49.26 | Absolute0 | and i got core duo and 1 gig ram |
| 00:49.33 | Varange | vmware is not slow on my linux box. Are you runniing vmware on Weendahs, by any chance? |
| 00:49.42 | Sisk | Absolute0 give QEMU a try. It runs a lot faster for me. |
| 00:49.43 | Absolute0 | vista |
| 00:49.50 | Absolute0 | qemu? |
| 00:49.55 | Absolute0 | i was thinking about virtual box |
| 00:50.00 | Sisk | Think VMWare, but open source. |
| 00:50.01 | Absolute0 | which is better? |
| 00:50.04 | dalias | qemu is a lot better |
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| 00:50.08 | Varange | Vista? ppl actually BUY this? |
| 00:50.08 | Sisk | I've never tried virtual bo. |
| 00:50.10 | Sisk | box |
| 00:50.19 | dalias | i would hope he warezed vista rather than buying it.... |
| 00:50.31 | Supaplex | kvm, xen, vmware, virtualbox, qemu, $yetanotherfsckingvirtuailizationoremulation package |
| 00:50.40 | dendrite | Sisk: Depends on what you're trying to do. Xen is nice, for dev work or virtual servers. |
| 00:50.48 | Supaplex | I would hope he refused the EULA and returned it for a refund |
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| 00:50.57 | kritical | I just pressed Ctrl+s in console (Suspend?) ... can anyone tell me off the top of their head the key combination to resume? |
| 00:51.03 | dalias | ^Q |
| 00:51.06 | kritical | Cheers |
| 00:51.06 | Sisk | I mostly use QEMU to escape Win2k while I'm at work |
| 00:51.35 | dalias | *sigh* why is abiword such crap? |
| 00:51.49 | dalias | it won't even access dejavu condensed fonts... |
| 00:52.01 | Sisk | I didn't think anyone still used it. Why Abiword? |
| 00:52.18 | dalias | because it loads in 5 seconds instead of >1min |
| 00:52.26 | dalias | and doesn't use 200 megs of swap |
| 00:52.30 | Absolute0 | dalias kde office or open office are nice |
| 00:52.39 | Sisk | Heh, OK, it has it's advantages I guess. |
| 00:52.39 | Absolute0 | they just dont integrate well with ms office |
| 00:52.40 | dalias | read what i just said, absolute0 |
| 00:52.54 | Absolute0 | so id stick with ms office for resumes |
| 00:52.55 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:53.09 | dalias | huh? |
| 00:53.10 | dalias | why? |
| 00:53.16 | Sisk | OpenOffice does .doc files pretty well actuall |
| 00:53.18 | Sisk | actually |
| 00:53.19 | amphi | Absolute0: whiskey tango foxtrot? |
| 00:53.26 | dalias | why the hell does it matter what program you use to make a resume? |
| 00:53.26 | Sisk | Damn, I can't type for crap tonight\ |
| 00:53.40 | Nyle | amphi: awe dude... :( lame |
| 00:53.56 | krazykit | dalias, so when an employer opens a resume, he doesn't see a bunch of messed up formatting? |
| 00:54.01 | xaque | Somwhere along the line, I think nfs has broken. Has etch defaulted to nfsv4? |
| 00:54.04 | Sisk | If you're sharing it electronically, it makes a HUGE difference |
| 00:54.10 | Absolute0 | Sisk when you open an open office file it looks completely different in word |
| 00:54.42 | dalias | krazykit, umm, if you care about fixed layout you should be sending pdf files for things that the recipient is not supposed to edit... |
| 00:54.44 | pipeline | NFS on linux >_< |
| 00:54.47 | xaque | xingu: Its a little late, but thanks! |
| 00:54.54 | dalias | sisk, P D F |
| 00:54.57 | Nyle | I can't believe how big of a memory hog firefox is |
| 00:54.59 | pipeline | Absolute0: Whah? PDF. |
| 00:55.02 | Sisk | I've never had that problem. I open files I've written at home on Word all the time |
| 00:55.03 | Nyle | its fucking unbelievable |
| 00:55.09 | pipeline | not to mention Word versions vary |
| 00:55.11 | nse | is there a way to restart iceweasel with the same tabs so that it can free ram memory? |
| 00:55.20 | pipeline | you have no control over what layout your potential employer will see when he opens a word file :P |
| 00:55.23 | pipeline | pdf is nice and safe |
| 00:55.29 | krazykit | dalias, i've had problems with openoffice-created PDFs when opened in Preview on a Mac |
| 00:55.29 | dalias | pipeline, indeed |
| 00:55.33 | Supaplex | nse: bookmark all tabs? |
| 00:55.41 | dalias | krazykit, then use pstopdf to make it... |
| 00:55.46 | Nyle | nse: yes. Install the extension tab mix plus and use restore session/save session |
| 00:55.48 | jamesrdorn | nse: I think if your kill the process and start again it will ask you if you want to recover |
| 00:56.00 | Nyle | nse: there might be just standalone session management extensions |
| 00:56.01 | Sisk | There's a lot of extensions that can do that |
| 00:56.15 | Absolute0 | what VM has best graphics and network bridging? |
| 00:56.28 | Nyle | vmware |
| 00:56.28 | krazykit | dalias, had problems with that too. |
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| 00:56.33 | Nyle | imo |
| 00:56.36 | Supaplex | bare metal! |
| 00:56.42 | Varange | yep, vmware |
| 00:56.47 | Nyle | hey, what kinda metal is that Supaplex |
| 00:56.54 | Absolute0 | vmware graphics suck |
| 00:56.55 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 00:57.11 | Nyle | Supaplex: Good afternoon sir, you have been selected from our database to recieve a cash prize. |
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| 00:57.13 | Varange | 1 Euro = $1.386. Good Gawd. |
| 00:57.17 | Supaplex | I can't vouch for xen until 442771 is fixed. |
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| 00:57.33 | Varange | vmware graphics work perfectly here |
| 00:57.39 | Mr_Bunny_ | lspci isn't installed for some reason, where would I find a deb or source or something? |
| 00:57.46 | pipeline | Mr_Bunny_: pciutils |
| 00:57.49 | Varange | I had an XP machine running in vmware. worked fine |
| 00:57.54 | Absolute0 | Varange maybe only the installationg looks crappy? |
| 00:57.55 | Mr_Bunny_ | pipeline: thank you |
| 00:58.12 | Nyle | run a virtual machine inside a virtual machine |
| 00:58.15 | Varange | Absolute0, do you like the look of Vista, for example? |
| 00:58.23 | Absolute0 | yeah |
| 00:58.28 | Mr_Bunny_ | rofl - just noticed. while browsing in lynx, if you hit q for quit, then tell it no, it says "Exellent!!!" hehe. |
| 00:58.30 | utopia_ | Vista looks great |
| 00:58.34 | Varange | you do. Ah, that explains the bad taste |
| 00:58.38 | dalias | krazykit, well if made correctly, pdf is the correct way to send an immutable document on which you want to preserve layout |
| 00:58.38 | Sisk | Ugh..... |
| 00:58.43 | Absolute0 | i like the search in the start menu |
| 00:58.47 | Sisk | Too much eyecandy for my tastes... |
| 00:58.48 | utopia_ | but alot of it looks stolen from gnome/KDE..the style of the buttons |
| 00:58.50 | Absolute0 | windows is a copy cate! |
| 00:58.57 | Absolute0 | *cat |
| 00:59.02 | Nyle | !offtopic |
| 00:59.02 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 00:59.06 | jamesrdorn | copy cate copy cate! |
| 00:59.10 | Absolute0 | they're coping linux and mac |
| 00:59.19 | dalias | cat is spelled cat |
| 00:59.20 | utopia_ | yeah |
| 00:59.20 | dalias | not cate |
| 00:59.25 | Varange | kate |
| 00:59.29 | dalias | and copying has a y in it |
| 00:59.29 | Absolute0 | it was a typo |
| 00:59.30 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:59.31 | dalias | :) |
| 00:59.33 | Nyle | we can take windows discussions to a more appropriate channel, ##windows |
| 00:59.43 | Supaplex | or ##overthere2,000 |
| 00:59.58 | Absolute0 | well the room isnt busy, so offtopic is allowed :-P |
| 01:00.05 | Varange | rejoice, minions! a service pack for Vista is due in 2008 |
| 01:00.11 | Absolute0 | no debian questions yet |
| 01:00.11 | dalias | if you want a really professional resume you should prepare it with latex anyway :) |
| 01:00.12 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 01:00.12 | Supaplex | pff |
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| 01:00.23 | Absolute0 | ahh latek |
| 01:00.25 | Nyle | latex huh, kinky. |
| 01:00.26 | Varange | dalias, agreed |
| 01:00.26 | cchanc1 | im trying to install Kppp and I run into the error checking for x... configure:error: Can't find x includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths. What is it wanting now?I have looked inn synaptic but nothing |
| 01:00.27 | Absolute0 | *latex |
| 01:00.28 | dalias | then you can generate the pdf with pdflatex |
| 01:00.30 | Absolute0 | gotta learn that |
| 01:00.48 | dendrite | Absolute0: Check out Lyx then. |
| 01:00.56 | Varange | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:01.02 | dalias | bleh lyx rather defeats the purpose of latex |
| 01:01.13 | nse | nice! |
| 01:01.26 | cchanc1 | .. |
| 01:01.32 | Supaplex | pppconfig+pon+poff > kppp |
| 01:01.32 | dendrite | dalias: Except as an easy introduction. |
| 01:01.40 | dalias | :P |
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| 01:02.20 | frankr | I just setup the fglrx driver on my 2.6.19-7 custom kernel and all of the fonts are now.. really huge. |
| 01:02.26 | frankr | 10 point looks like 14 |
| 01:02.29 | frankr | I have no idea why |
| 01:02.37 | cchanc1 | well at least here some one acknowledges I said something |
| 01:03.08 | Supaplex | !ignore cchanc1 |
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| 01:03.11 | Supaplex | ;) hehe jk |
| 01:03.20 | cchanc1 | I have all that |
| 01:03.36 | cchanc1 | I've done all that |
| 01:03.51 | cchanc1 | but in kppp I can diagnose what my isp is wanting faster |
| 01:04.03 | cchanc1 | I don't know the script it gives out |
| 01:04.17 | Supaplex | I haven't used dialup in so long |
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| 01:04.30 | cchanc1 | I won't be for long |
| 01:04.53 | cchanc1 | as son as I raise my mothly payment and setup fee il be in mediacom at 15mbps |
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| 01:05.29 | frankr | I've been trying to get this rtl-wifi driver to work for my rtl8185 wireless card.. I compiled it and insmod'd it and its ieee802.11 stack, it shows up in iwconfig, kismet can use it to see my AP, iwlist works, I can connect and grab a local IP, but I still can't ping my router. anyone got any ideas? |
| 01:05.41 | frankr | or google. |
| 01:05.57 | Supaplex | frankr: you got further than me. is it usb or pci based? |
| 01:06.12 | frankr | Supaplex: well its in my laptop so its probably that mini-pci thing |
| 01:06.15 | Supaplex | 01:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8185] (rev 20) |
| 01:06.19 | Supaplex | ahh. |
| 01:06.28 | frankr | 08:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20) |
| 01:06.34 | frankr | haha |
| 01:06.36 | Supaplex | try -nn |
| 01:06.48 | frankr | 08:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8185] (rev 20) |
| 01:06.56 | Supaplex | cool. same hardware :) |
| 01:06.56 | frankr | yeah those are identical |
| 01:06.58 | frankr | haha |
| 01:07.11 | frankr | Yeah but this is really frustrating, I'm so freaking close |
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| 01:07.20 | Supaplex | I got mine free after rebate at compusa. trendnet packaged. |
| 01:07.40 | Supaplex | I was hoping to roll it into my openwrt box (which has one pci slot) |
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| 01:08.06 | frankr | Yeah but linux support for it is pretty bad :P |
| 01:08.19 | Supaplex | atleast realtek released some sources. |
| 01:08.31 | frankr | There was another person in here who used the same card and had it working but he's not in here now.. |
| 01:08.54 | frankr | His name was varistha or something liek that he's the one who pointed me in the direction of rtl-wifi |
| 01:09.49 | cchanc1 | seriiousle anyone know |
| 01:09.54 | Absolute0 | they should make better open source wifi support! |
| 01:10.05 | Supaplex | I see. are you using m-a, or the sf.net tarball? The changelog suggested the bleeding edge would be a better option |
| 01:10.09 | Absolute0 | its becoming more popular |
| 01:10.15 | Supaplex | Absolute0: you can help |
| 01:10.28 | Absolute0 | after i learn how to code drivers :-P |
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| 01:10.45 | Absolute0 | is C enough? |
| 01:10.47 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 01:11.01 | pipeline | If writing drivers were the problem, then there would be no poorly supported wireless chipsets :) |
| 01:11.12 | Supaplex | Absolute0: yea. or just help where you can. ease the developers workload |
| 01:11.15 | Absolute0 | what is the problem then? |
| 01:11.23 | pipeline | the problem is getting specs. Nobody likes to hand out good data on cards |
| 01:11.31 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 01:11.40 | pipeline | it's cheaper to enforce restrictions on the radio in software than in hardware |
| 01:11.45 | Absolute0 | a driver is basically a mapping for a hardware for the os to use? |
| 01:12.01 | pipeline | and it looks bad in front of the FCC if you ship drivers that restrict it appropriately, but also offer public specs explaining how to evade the restrictions :P |
| 01:12.01 | Supaplex | yup |
| 01:12.07 | pipeline | it's not illegal, it just looks bad and could come back to bite you |
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| 01:15.48 | Supaplex | frankr: what's the wireless ap/router running? |
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| 01:20.55 | Absolute0 | Why does the debian base install always prompt user for the uswsusp warning? don't you select your swap partition at boot time? |
| 01:21.02 | Absolute0 | !uswsusp |
| 01:21.41 | Absolute0 | continue without a swap partition? |
| 01:21.48 | Absolute0 | *a valid swap partition |
| 01:22.39 | MasterGH | Hi, just seeing if anyone has experienced this in Debian, with my new ATi 9600XT graphics card (using the fglrx driver in Sid) when I switch to a tty screen, then back to X, or restart X from a tty screen, the whole system hangs, and I have to restart using some options with alt-SysRq |
| 01:23.18 | MasterGH | that is the only bug I've noticed though, which is interesting |
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| 01:27.58 | Vulto | I'd like to set the bash completion to add mplayer to deal only with movie and audio files |
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| 01:38.28 | SirHerik | Hello |
| 01:38.35 | SirHerik | Anyone can help me? |
| 01:38.36 | Absolute0 | can vmware load an already installed debian system or i have to reinstall it for vmware? |
| 01:39.04 | Absolute0 | SirHerik never ask to ask |
| 01:39.06 | Absolute0 | just ask |
| 01:39.08 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 01:39.10 | Absolute0 | !ask |
| 01:39.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:39.24 | abrotman | Absolute0: did you get your stuff sorted out ? |
| 01:39.27 | SirHerik | someone help me |
| 01:39.32 | abrotman | SirHerik: ask your question |
| 01:39.44 | Absolute0 | abrotman yeah sort off :-P |
| 01:39.49 | Absolute0 | still a work in progress |
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| 01:39.59 | mhall | Hello all... I am having some odd problems on my system. I blacklisted a couple of conflicting modules for my TV tuner and somehow in the process I caused the load order of my TV tuner's sound device and my sound card to switch... now all the apps like artsd and my media players crash because the devices are backwards. How can I fix this problem? |
| 01:40.05 | SirHerik | when I try to install Linux via a CD, the cd doesn't load alone. The file was burned as an .iso file |
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| 01:40.16 | abrotman | linux or debian ? |
| 01:40.20 | SirHerik | Debian |
| 01:40.31 | SirHerik | Debian 40r1 |
| 01:40.31 | Absolute0 | i hope X will look better in vmware than the console does, which looks like shit at the moment |
| 01:40.40 | abrotman | did you burn it as an image or as a file ? |
| 01:40.44 | SirHerik | image |
| 01:40.45 | Absolute0 | SirHerik which file? |
| 01:41.10 | Absolute0 | if you got a regular pc you need to burn the i386 one |
| 01:41.11 | SirHerik | I burnt the Debian 40r1.iso in an image disc |
| 01:41.16 | SirHerik | yes |
| 01:41.23 | SirHerik | I burned the i386 one |
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| 01:41.24 | Absolute0 | theres like 20 different versions |
| 01:41.42 | SirHerik | debian-40r1-i386-businesscard |
| 01:41.56 | Absolute0 | and when you pop it in an reboot it doesnt boot? |
| 01:42.03 | SirHerik | nop |
| 01:42.05 | SirHerik | it doesn't |
| 01:42.16 | SirHerik | it doesn't Bios thingy I already changed it |
| 01:42.21 | Absolute0 | does your bios allow booting from cd? |
| 01:42.29 | SirHerik | dunno |
| 01:42.34 | Absolute0 | than you must've burned it wrong |
| 01:42.35 | SirHerik | how am i supposed to know/ |
| 01:42.48 | Absolute0 | you can check the md5sum of the cd and the iso |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | you go in the BIOS and check |
| 01:42.52 | Absolute0 | they have to be identical |
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| 01:43.26 | SirHerik | how do I check the md5sum of the cd and the iso? |
| 01:43.36 | Absolute0 | by running md5sum :-P |
| 01:43.43 | Absolute0 | google md5sum |
| 01:43.58 | SirHerik | bah |
| 01:44.04 | SirHerik | this doesn't help me |
| 01:44.05 | Absolute0 | hah |
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| 01:44.49 | Absolute0 | bitch checker? |
| 01:44.51 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | be easier to check the BIOS |
| 01:45.09 | abrotman | and remember to burn the ISO at a slow speed |
| 01:45.15 | SirHerik | I need to reinstall my Debian Linux because when I turn it on some errors occurred and i have been told that I have to reinstall linux. But when I try to reboot the computer, the cd doesn't boot. |
| 01:46.39 | ArtVandalae | SirHerik: you have to change the boot order in the BIOS |
| 01:46.53 | ArtVandalae | So it boots off the CD first, THEN the HDD |
| 01:47.13 | SirHerik | whats the HDD? |
| 01:47.15 | Absolute0 | and dont forget to press enter when it DOES boot from the cd :-P |
| 01:47.19 | Absolute0 | hard drive |
| 01:47.23 | abrotman | what errors require you to reinstall debian ? |
| 01:47.29 | SirHerik | its that |
| 01:48.07 | SirHerik | when I turn on the computer, a window appears that says that the login interface is falling. And in Quakenet they told me that all i could do was reinstall it. |
| 01:48.26 | Absolute0 | all you had to do was fix grub :( |
| 01:48.43 | SirHerik | wtf |
| 01:48.47 | SirHerik | how do i fix grub? |
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| 01:49.05 | abrotman | the login interface? |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | you don't need to reinstall to fix gdm |
| 01:49.13 | SirHerik | yes |
| 01:49.15 | Absolute0 | and if you installed it the first time what happened to the cd you used for that? |
| 01:49.25 | SirHerik | mm |
| 01:49.28 | SirHerik | i didn't have a cd |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | it came preinstalled ? |
| 01:49.40 | SirHerik | I downloaded the installer from www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 01:49.45 | Absolute0 | abrotman grub isnt the login interface--its the booting manager |
| 01:49.50 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | he said login interface |
| 01:50.12 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 01:50.14 | Absolute0 | ok |
| 01:50.41 | SirHerik | so will you guys help me? |
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| 01:51.18 | xaque | Can someone tell me why I am getting rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused when doing rpcinfo -p ? |
| 01:51.27 | SirHerik | you just shut up |
| 01:51.31 | Absolute0 | is this thing ligit, it sounds like a great idea |
| 01:51.31 | SirHerik | i was here first |
| 01:51.40 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 01:51.45 | SirHerik | :) |
| 01:51.50 | SirHerik | just help me plz |
| 01:51.55 | SirHerik | plz |
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| 01:51.57 | SirHerik | plz |
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| 01:52.01 | Absolute0 | SirHerik we dont follow a first come first server order |
| 01:52.04 | Absolute0 | yay! |
| 01:52.07 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 01:52.20 | SirHerik | plz |
| 01:52.24 | SirHerik | don't kicl me again |
| 01:52.28 | SirHerik | *kick |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | stop hitting enter |
| 01:52.43 | Absolute0 | is goodbye-windows.com a trusty site? |
| 01:52.47 | abrotman | xaque: is portmap installed and running ? |
| 01:52.49 | Absolute0 | it looks like spyware |
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| 01:53.00 | abrotman | it's not |
| 01:53.02 | xaque | abrotman: yes it is |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | xaque: is it listening? firewalled ? |
| 01:53.25 | SirHerik | Will you guys help me? |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | with which part ? |
| 01:53.42 | SirHerik | with the login interface problem |
| 01:53.54 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 01:54.04 | xaque | abrotman: well, the firewall is open, but I am running the rpcinfo -p from localhost |
| 01:54.11 | ArtVandalae | In pastebins are even better |
| 01:54.53 | SirHerik | Absolute0: can you tell me how to fix my login interface cause I have this problem since yesturday... |
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| 01:55.16 | Wyzard | SirHerik: What exactly do you mean by "login interface"? What happens when you try to boot your system? |
| 01:55.33 | Wyzard | SirHerik: You're not getting help because you asked a vague question and then started making an annoyance of yourself |
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| 01:55.50 | SirHerik | ok |
| 01:55.53 | abrotman | and harassing others seeking help |
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| 01:56.54 | Wyzard | SirHerik: You need to be more specific about what's wrong with your system |
| 01:57.23 | Wyzard | SirHerik: You said a window appears with an error message -- what's the exact text of the message, and when does it appear? |
| 01:57.33 | syntaxx | anyone here who can suggest a system monitoring tool except for snort/nagios/mrtg? |
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| 01:58.14 | xaque | syntaxx: oreon, ntop? |
| 01:58.21 | Wyzard | SirHerik: and if it was working before, what changes did you make to your system between when it worked and when it didn't work? |
| 01:58.25 | SirHerik | when i turn on my computer, it loads everything but when it comes to the part when the window to login should appear, another window with the following text appears: The login interface seems to be falling. Another one will be tried to be used. But right after I click "Accept" the window goes completely black and again, the window with the same text appears. After 6 clicks of Accept another window appears, this time blue. |
| 01:58.26 | EmanueleT | what's the package that contains /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? |
| 01:58.29 | EmanueleT | I cannot find it! |
| 01:58.42 | SirHerik | when i turn on my computer, it loads everything but when it comes to the part when the window to login should appear, another window with the following text appears: The login interface seems to be falling. Another one will be tried to be used. But right after I click "Accept" the window goes completely black and again, the window with the same text appears. After 6 clicks of Accept another window appears, this time blue. |
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| 01:58.47 | SirHerik | thats what happened |
| 01:58.52 | gravity | once is enough, thank you |
| 01:58.58 | SirHerik | and i didn't make one single change to the system |
| 01:58.58 | xaque | SirHerik: one more time, please |
| 01:59.22 | gravity | xaque: Please don't encourage him |
| 01:59.29 | gravity | Anyway, it sounds like X is failing to load |
| 01:59.35 | xaque | gravity: I must have missed something |
| 01:59.37 | xaque | =] |
| 01:59.46 | gryfie_ | Sir: Try alt-ctrl F1 or the same with F2 etc, until you find a console |
| 01:59.53 | Wyzard | EmanueleT: apache2.2-common |
| 01:59.57 | gryfie_ | and log in there |
| 02:00.00 | gravity | Hrm, maybe not X, after reading it again. |
| 02:00.03 | SirHerik | ok |
| 02:00.08 | SirHerik | I'm on the root user |
| 02:00.12 | Absolute0 | this is weird.. |
| 02:00.23 | SirHerik | I'm in Bash |
| 02:00.32 | SirHerik | BTW what's bash? |
| 02:00.40 | gryfie_ | and then try startx |
| 02:00.43 | EmanueleT | Wyzard: I tried to reinstall it, but it doesn't create any apache2.conf |
| 02:00.50 | amphi | SirHerik: a shell - man bash for more ;) |
| 02:00.50 | EmanueleT | Wyzard: perhaps I've to configure it somehow? |
| 02:00.54 | Absolute0 | apt-cache finds ptx-fonts-ternimus but apt-get cant intall it |
| 02:00.55 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 02:00.56 | syntaxx | xaque: oreon is like a nagios? |
| 02:01.09 | SirHerik | OMFG |
| 02:01.12 | Wyzard | EmanueleT: Reinstalling a package normally doesn't overwrite or replace conffiles |
| 02:01.12 | SirHerik | Gryfie |
| 02:01.16 | SirHerik | YOU ROCK! |
| 02:01.24 | SirHerik | GRYFIE! ITS WORKING PERFECTLY! |
| 02:01.26 | Wyzard | EmanueleT: Install the .deb manually with "dpkg -i --force-confmiss" |
| 02:01.26 | gravity | broken gdm then? That's odd |
| 02:01.28 | SirHerik | I LOVE YOU! |
| 02:01.32 | gravity | (at least it's not my fault) |
| 02:01.33 | Penix | SirHerik: enough with the caps |
| 02:01.38 | SirHerik | ok |
| 02:01.39 | SirHerik | sorry |
| 02:01.41 | SirHerik | well |
| 02:01.47 | SirHerik | Thanks everyone, now I'll leave |
| 02:01.47 | xaque | syntaxx: oreon is a layover for nagios that increases the power of nagios 10x |
| 02:01.52 | xaque | imho |
| 02:01.53 | SirHerik | GoodBye |
| 02:01.57 | gravity | um |
| 02:01.59 | Absolute0 | what app shows all connected hdd's? |
| 02:02.00 | EmanueleT | Wyzard: I removed /etc/apache2 |
| 02:02.03 | SirHerik | and Goodnight |
| 02:02.05 | gravity | Absolute0: mount |
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| 02:02.32 | Wyzard | Absolute0: ls /sys/block |
| 02:02.48 | xaque | syntaxx: though, I recomend that if you are going to install oreon, you do not attempt to do it the "debian way" |
| 02:02.49 | Absolute0 | gravity not mounted--connected physically |
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| 02:02.52 | Wyzard | SirHerik's problem was fixed by logging into a text console? :-/ |
| 02:02.59 | magyar | hi, i need to echo a file without the extension, how can i do that? |
| 02:03.10 | gravity | Absolute0: Ah, dmesg (or lsusb for usb devices) |
| 02:03.13 | magyar | for i in *; do echo ${i%/} ; done; |
| 02:03.21 | magyar | doesnt seem to work |
| 02:03.50 | Wyzard | magyar: man basename |
| 02:04.31 | syntaxx | xaque: i see.. why do you say it increases the power of nagios 10x? whats the new feature? |
| 02:04.42 | Absolute0 | anyone knows if vmware can do windscreens? |
| 02:04.59 | Penix | if you pay it enough |
| 02:05.05 | Absolute0 | huh |
| 02:05.28 | Wyzard | Absolute0: Your question doesn't make sense |
| 02:05.45 | Absolute0 | i have a wide screen laptop |
| 02:05.56 | Wyzard | oh, widescreen |
| 02:05.58 | Wyzard | yes |
| 02:06.03 | xaque | syntaxx: The interface is one of the main things because it makes nagios much more usable. What sort of things are you trying to do? Seems like most network monitoring can be done with snmp and such, and you nailed down the best tools to do that, cacti, mrtg, nagios. |
| 02:06.09 | xaque | syntaxx: http://www.oreon-project.org/ |
| 02:06.24 | Absolute0 | but when i put X with 1280x800 vmware only chops of the sides |
| 02:06.36 | Absolute0 | Wyzard how? |
| 02:06.41 | Penix | Absolute0: got vmware tools installed? |
| 02:07.03 | Wyzard | Absolute0: You have to install VMware Tools and enable "autofit guest" in the View menu |
| 02:07.08 | gryfie_ | Wyzard: Of course.... who need's a session-manager? :) |
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| 02:07.35 | gryfie_ | I ever want a clean desktop when I start X :) |
| 02:07.57 | gryfie_ | Not started all running apps, when leaving last time |
| 02:08.08 | Absolute0 | is VMware Tools free? |
| 02:08.12 | Penix | having a session manager doesn't automatically mean that |
| 02:08.15 | gryfie_ | (of course I'm creating .xinirc) |
| 02:08.21 | Dewi | Absolute0: it comes with vmware |
| 02:08.23 | Wyzard | Absolute0: It ships with VMware |
| 02:08.24 | syntaxx | xaque: i see. i wanted to make my life easy hehe.. thanks |
| 02:08.31 | Dewi | Absolute0: you'll find various ISOs in the program directory |
| 02:08.32 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 02:08.35 | Absolute0 | how do i install it? |
| 02:08.43 | Wyzard | Absolute0: "Install VMware Tools" on the VM menu |
| 02:08.49 | Dewi | Absolute0: google etch "vmware tools" |
| 02:08.50 | Absolute0 | let me see |
| 02:08.51 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 02:08.57 | Dewi | Wyzard: that doesn't really work in debian |
| 02:09.00 | Absolute0 | etch vmware tools? |
| 02:09.01 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 02:09.02 | Wyzard | Absolute0: (It works by temporarily binding the VM's CD-ROM drive to an .iso of the Tools installation CD) |
| 02:09.17 | xaque | syntaxx: I think you are using the best tools for home use. Oreon is really nice if you need present a customer to an interface or something like that. |
| 02:09.18 | Dewi | Wyzard: even that bit of it doesn't always work for me for some reason |
| 02:09.44 | Wyzard | Absolute0: In a Windows VM, it'll autoplay; in a Linux VM, the CD contains an RPM and a tarball |
| 02:10.00 | Dewi | Absolute0: basically you need to install build-essential and your kernel headers, then run the installer and it will build the kernel module for you and install it |
| 02:10.16 | Dewi | Absolute0: and I mean the installer in the tarball |
| 02:10.22 | Wyzard | Dewi: I'm running an Ubuntu VM (with Debian as the host) and autofitting works |
| 02:10.23 | Dewi | Absolute0: but google and you'll get a detailed tutorial |
| 02:11.01 | Dewi | Wyzard: I have vmware tools installed too; I'm just saying that the "install vmware tools" dropdown did nothing the last 2 times I tried it. Didn't even put the ISO in the virtual CD-ROM |
| 02:11.05 | syntaxx | xaque: i will try oreon. thanks for the help. and im currently thinking more of them to make my life easy ehhe |
| 02:11.20 | Wyzard | Dewi: oh, ok... don't think I've seen any problems with that either, though |
| 02:11.39 | Wyzard | Dewi: I think it only works for IDE drives, though... if the virtual CD drive is SCSI, that won't work |
| 02:11.39 | xaque | syntaxx: np |
| 02:11.47 | Absolute0 | ok thanks |
| 02:11.49 | Dewi | Wyzard: shrug. it's not exactly hard to load it yuorself :) |
| 02:12.00 | Dewi | Wyzard: but I do wish there was a .deb |
| 02:13.05 | xaque | Anyone have any ideas why when I do rpcinfo -p, which will use localhost, it fails, but when I do rpcinfo -p hostname from root@hostname, it works? |
| 02:14.00 | Wyzard | Dewi: There's the "vmware-package" package -- though it doesn't support Tools yet, only VMware itself |
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| 02:14.47 | Nathan_ | Hi I am doing a research paper and I'm wondering if there is any historical cases of someone sending a takedown notice for codecs |
| 02:14.54 | Dewi | Wyzard: my host is windows usually anyway |
| 02:15.06 | dvs | Nathan_: like DVD Jon? |
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| 02:15.21 | Nathan_ | or any of the avant-guard who cares about legal stuff distros |
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| 02:15.27 | Wyzard | Dewi: Mine too, though I have a few Debian/Ubuntu ones |
| 02:15.45 | Nathan_ | dvs: ah yes.. okay.. I guess that would count... not really a distro though.. right? |
| 02:15.58 | dvs | Narada: oh. You want distros? |
| 02:15.59 | magyar | Wyzard: i cant use basename with that line |
| 02:16.03 | Wyzard | Dewi: I don't bother installing Tools in Linux VMs unless I'm using X |
| 02:16.13 | dvs | Nathan_: oh. You want distros? |
| 02:16.16 | Nathan_ | dvs: yeah... |
| 02:16.17 | FFighter | hello everybody. I've got a VM box, how can I change the box's domain name? [user@domain] |
| 02:16.28 | Wyzard | Dewi: oh, you said host, not guest |
| 02:16.38 | dvs | Nathan_: Well, there's Lindows but it wasn't for codecs. |
| 02:16.48 | Nathan_ | dvs: guess something like Apple telling Real to get rid of ipod support |
| 02:17.25 | Nathan_ | dvs: hmm yeah.. I think it hasn't really happend yet then |
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| 02:17.52 | Dewi | Wyzard: I install tools without X for two reasons: time synch and having the guest shut down nicely if the host goes down |
| 02:18.11 | Nathan_ | dvs: mostly because they're careful about having their sites in other countries that don't have idiotic laws |
| 02:18.24 | dvs | Nathan_: true, true |
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| 02:18.31 | EmanueleT | erm |
| 02:18.33 | Nathan_ | dvs: "they" being anyone who uses restricted anything... |
| 02:18.45 | EmanueleT | how is possible that now apache doesn't find the modules it needs? |
| 02:19.21 | Nathan_ | dvs: hmm... btw.. I relaly saw something neat... probably not well documented.. but apparently via helped dev special versions of xine and mplayer! |
| 02:19.44 | Nathan_ | dvs: the trick being you move the problems with codecs to an external chip |
| 02:20.04 | dvs | Nathan_: and where do you get the chip from? |
| 02:20.14 | Nathan_ | dvs: ha ha.. good question.. on a via mainboard |
| 02:20.16 | dalias | they hardly helped |
| 02:20.23 | syntaxx | xaque: i need to have oreon requires nagios? |
| 02:20.29 | dalias | they made patches to link these programs to their proprietary crap drivers... |
| 02:20.36 | dvs | Nathan_: yeah, right. the MB makers probably don't want to have anything to do with that. |
| 02:20.52 | Nathan_ | dvs: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7685502818.html |
| 02:21.15 | Nathan_ | dvs: ha ha.. not so.. I worked for Xandros on the eeepc and they would have loved to have something like that available.. I'd say |
| 02:21.24 | Nathan_ | dvs: I think they were just a little before their time |
| 02:21.36 | Nathan_ | dvs: I'm back at school now though... |
| 02:21.41 | dvs | Nathan_: MPEG-2 and 4 are not restricted codecs |
| 02:21.55 | Nathan_ | dvs: yes... for commercial redistribution |
| 02:22.14 | dvs | MPEG-2 IS RESTRICTED?!? |
| 02:22.20 | dalias | no |
| 02:22.25 | Nathan_ | dvs: wait.. err.. MpeG-2 you have to pay big bucks |
| 02:22.40 | Nathan_ | dvs: I'm pretty sure about this |
| 02:22.43 | Wyzard | I thought they're covered by patents that have to be licensed |
| 02:22.45 | Wyzard | The specs are open, but implementing them would be patent infringement |
| 02:22.53 | dalias | the patent claims are all bogus |
| 02:22.57 | Nathan_ | Wyzard: welll said |
| 02:23.00 | dalias | they don't do anything innovative |
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| 02:23.24 | dalias | its all got 100 years of prior art |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | Nathan_: unisys/gif? <insert german company>/mp3 ? |
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| 02:23.51 | Wyzard | dalias: Lossy digital video compression existed in 1907? :-P |
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| 02:24.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: technically film isn't 3d .. kind of lossy if you ask me :) |
| 02:24.26 | dalias | wyzard, frequency-space transformations were originally invented for these purposes |
| 02:24.27 | Wyzard | haha, good point |
| 02:24.45 | dalias | however people had no computers to use them with |
| 02:25.13 | dalias | then when the computers got fast enough to implement things invented ages ago, lamers went and fraudulently scooped up patents |
| 02:25.33 | inazad | need help for apache2... my php' page don't load.. I have a blank page.. |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | oh yeah .. because computers had sooo much to do with fradulent patents |
| 02:25.55 | dvs | inazad: find the DirectoryIndex entry in your /etc/apache2 directory |
| 02:26.06 | inazad | dvs, k wait a min |
| 02:26.12 | Wyzard | dalias: To be fair, there have been a lot of advancements made more recently |
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| 02:26.19 | nathanv_ | oh well.. I'm back |
| 02:26.20 | nathanv_ | sorry |
| 02:26.25 | nathanv_ | dalias: so they play a game of chicken and make everyone pay out of court... well that would be the strategy.. if anyone tried to flout their hooligan tribe |
| 02:26.25 | dalias | wyzard, i'm on the mplayer team and a mathematician |
| 02:26.29 | dalias | i know how these codecs work |
| 02:26.36 | dalias | and they're not doing anything innovative |
| 02:26.44 | nathanv_ | dalias: I do agree with you |
| 02:26.46 | dalias | just putting together different ingredients that have been known forever |
| 02:26.57 | nathanv_ | dalias: wholeheartedly.. they're basically saying here's math you can't use! |
| 02:26.59 | inazad | dvs, where I find the directoryindex ? |
| 02:27.12 | dalias | and they didn't even discover/invent this math! |
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| 02:27.15 | abrotman | dalias: then you can get the patent undone right ? |
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| 02:27.26 | dalias | it was known long long before |
| 02:27.28 | nathanv_ | abrotman: I think you can |
| 02:27.29 | dvs | inazad: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 02:27.34 | abrotman | nathanv_: but no one has ... |
| 02:27.36 | inazad | dvs, ok wait a min |
| 02:27.37 | nathanv_ | abrotman: isn't there some process? |
| 02:27.44 | dalias | abrotman, yeah who wants to take a stab at it? all you need is a few hundred grand and lots of time and lawyers... |
| 02:27.57 | nathanv_ | abrotman: well I think the problem is well exactly |
| 02:27.58 | inazad | dvs, dont find it.. |
| 02:28.11 | Wyzard | I think the only way to invalidate a patent (in the US, at least) is to be sued for infringement and have the court declare it invalid |
| 02:28.17 | dalias | the EFF has been doing some patent-busting |
| 02:28.21 | abrotman | dalias: you don't need the money .. |
| 02:28.24 | nathanv_ | abortman: I know that at Asus.. they wanted to do it.. but it's just not something you can risk. |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | right .. like Wyzard did it |
| 02:28.29 | dvs | inazad: it's here right after ServerName in my file. |
| 02:28.37 | Wyzard | though I'm not a lawyer, that's what I've heard from several places |
| 02:28.37 | nathanv_ | abortman: so I think they're not shipping with xvid etc... |
| 02:28.38 | inazad | dvs, ok I will check |
| 02:28.58 | inazad | dvs, i don't have it |
| 02:29.07 | nathanv_ | dalias: how about mpeg-4/h.264 |
| 02:29.27 | nathanv_ | dalias: I heard they made that codec for the sole purpose of filling in the patent thicket they screwed up with h.263 |
| 02:29.37 | inazad | dvs, what i have to write ? |
| 02:29.37 | dalias | perhaps |
| 02:29.56 | nathanv_ | dalias: I mean.. h.264 is realaly just h.263+ some other crap... |
| 02:30.04 | dalias | the complex b pyramid stuff is surely 'new' but it's just a natural extension of the B frames in mpeg1 |
| 02:30.06 | inazad | dvs, maybe I have a corrupted version of apache2.conf |
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| 02:30.20 | inazad | dvs, because I don't have ServerName so... |
| 02:30.22 | dvs | inazad: try /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf |
| 02:30.23 | dalias | they might claim patents on obmc |
| 02:30.30 | dalias | but i don't think they do |
| 02:30.46 | dalias | obmc was actually in the h263 spec at some point in development but removed, i think |
| 02:30.49 | nathanv_ | dalias: too bad that suit Qualcomm vs Broadcomm didn't play out in courts |
| 02:30.57 | nathanv_ | dalias: damn the out of court settlements! |
| 02:31.01 | dalias | indeed |
| 02:31.08 | inazad | dvs, DirectoryIndex /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf ? |
| 02:31.12 | dvs | yes |
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| 02:31.25 | dalias | for non-corporate users, the easiest thing is always just to ignore the patent crap |
| 02:31.28 | nathanv_ | dalias: what a joke.. I mean.. it makes business sense.. but then you just get fud being perpetuated for some more time |
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| 02:31.35 | dalias | the problem is that it hurts corporate adoption of free software |
| 02:31.46 | inazad | dvs, i'll restart the apache server |
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| 02:31.55 | dvs | inazad: ok |
| 02:32.25 | dalias | i mean, i wouldn't waste my time and resources sticking my neck out and fighting patents just to benefit corporations... |
| 02:32.25 | inazad | dvs, no error i'll try to poen a php page |
| 02:32.39 | dalias | so i think that's the problem |
| 02:32.40 | nathanv_ | dalias: what do you think about commerical distros just mitigating the risk to hardware chips? |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | yeah .. no one else would benefit |
| 02:32.43 | inazad | dvs, no.. same problem |
| 02:32.54 | dalias | nathanv_, that's very bad |
| 02:33.11 | inazad | dvs, can you send to me your apache2.conf.. or is edited for your business ? |
| 02:33.13 | dvs | inazad: Did you change the dir.conf file? |
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| 02:33.18 | inazad | dvs, no |
| 02:33.27 | dalias | usually they make a proprietary library to access the chip |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | did he try clearing browser cache and restarting it ? |
| 02:33.32 | dalias | and link the gpl software to that |
| 02:33.36 | dalias | which is an infringing use |
| 02:33.41 | dvs | inazad: ./mods-available/dir.conf: DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.cgi index.pl index.xhtml |
| 02:33.44 | Wyzard | wouldn't be so bad if the interface to the chip was open |
| 02:33.50 | dalias | wyzard, right |
| 02:33.51 | inazad | dvs, I have the same |
| 02:33.52 | dvs | inazad: that's what mine looks like |
| 02:34.21 | dalias | but still these chips are not customizable |
| 02:34.23 | Wyzard | It's not like the chip is doing magic trade-secret stuff that needs a secret interface if it's just implementing a well-known codec |
| 02:34.29 | dalias | they're often limited to particular profiles |
| 02:34.30 | dalias | etc. |
| 02:34.31 | dvs | inazad: ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php* |
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| 02:34.57 | inazad | dvs, php5.conf & php5.load |
| 02:35.00 | nathanv_ | dalias: hmm I'm thinking it would be awesome to have an open soruce usb flash drive with a chip on board that could do this kind of thing |
| 02:35.21 | Wyzard | Chips also generally can't be updated to support new techniques used by new codecs |
| 02:35.22 | dalias | not sure why |
| 02:35.25 | dalias | just use the software.. |
| 02:35.27 | dvs | inazad: Then I'm not sure why they don't work. |
| 02:35.30 | Wyzard | e.g. your MPEG2 decoder card is useless for h.264 |
| 02:35.40 | nathanv_ | wyzard: good point |
| 02:35.41 | inazad | dvs, ahh I'm so frutrated lol |
| 02:35.43 | dalias | i mean the flash drive would be targetted at individuals, not corporate-use encoding/decoding |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: you could make it flashable |
| 02:35.57 | dalias | and individuals have nothing to fear from these bs patents |
| 02:35.57 | nathanv_ | dalias: yeah.. consumers.. that's what I mean |
| 02:36.00 | inazad | dvs, can u send me your apache2.conf and your httpd.conf by email ? |
| 02:36.05 | nathanv_ | dalias: ironic.. good point |
| 02:36.14 | Wyzard | or you could write a binary blob for a programmable device like a GPU |
| 02:36.26 | Wyzard | which would be sort of like firmware binary blobs |
| 02:36.27 | dalias | its corporations running large-scale services like youtube that have to fear.. |
| 02:36.39 | LordWolF | onething usually how do i install a app manually like thunderbird or mozilla in debian? |
| 02:36.42 | inazad | dvs, it's normal to have 5-6 process when I'm trying ps aux | grep apache ??? |
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| 02:36.45 | dalias | wyzard, binary blobs are bad |
| 02:36.46 | nathanv_ | dalias: although moving the processing to a dedicated chip would be very good for speed |
| 02:36.54 | dvs | inazad: yes |
| 02:36.55 | dalias | nathanv_, actually not |
| 02:37.08 | inazad | dvs, ok so,, can you send me your files by email ? |
| 02:37.09 | nathanv_ | dalias: hmm.. reallly? |
| 02:37.15 | dalias | nathanv_, moving a high-res image across the bus is slower than decoding it in many cases |
| 02:37.23 | Wyzard | dalias: I know, but they're less bad when they're a small unit of functionality running on a separate special-purpose processor, rather than something that has to be linked into the OS or application itself |
| 02:37.40 | nathanv_ | dalias: ha hmm images.. yes.. how about dsps for audio? |
| 02:37.54 | nathanv_ | dalias: like the nokia n800 plays mp3s esp because of its dsp |
| 02:37.54 | dalias | imagine having to pull a 1920x1080 image from the usb every 1/60 sec |
| 02:38.01 | pipeline | Wyzard: I wouldn't say that. Most MPEG2 decoder cards are just a fast little DSP. If it were fast enough, it would be no problem doing h.264 |
| 02:38.02 | inazad | dvs, !? |
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| 02:38.06 | nathanv_ | dalias: ha.. great point, I haven't thought of that |
| 02:38.16 | nathanv_ | dalias: *hadn't |
| 02:38.21 | dvs | inazad: That's fine. I had to make sure that there were no passwords in them. |
| 02:38.28 | pipeline | dalias: fw800 :) |
| 02:38.32 | dalias | pipeline, :P |
| 02:38.40 | Wyzard | pipeline: I was under the impression that they implement the whole algorithm -- send in MPEG frames through the bus, and video goes out the card's TV-out port |
| 02:38.41 | nathanv_ | dalias: how about the pci-express pipeline? |
| 02:38.41 | inazad | dvs, ok, of course ;-) |
| 02:38.41 | pipeline | and it wouldn't actually be "pulling" |
| 02:38.49 | dalias | in mplayer we try very hard never to memcpy frames except when we have to |
| 02:38.52 | pipeline | USB devices have direct access to host memory :P |
| 02:38.57 | inazad | dvs, are you registred to receive pv msg ? |
| 02:38.57 | dalias | because even copying in system memory uses significant time |
| 02:39.05 | dvs | inazad: yes |
| 02:39.06 | inazad | dvs, then go pv |
| 02:39.06 | pipeline | Wyzard: They sure do, but the algorithm isn't implemented in hardware. It's a DSP running an MPEG2 decoder application. |
| 02:39.10 | dalias | this is one of the reasons mplayer is often faster than other players |
| 02:39.15 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 02:39.17 | nathanv_ | dalias: ah ha |
| 02:39.19 | dalias | (especially gstreamer, which is the most abysmally slow) |
| 02:39.21 | pipeline | Wyzard: It's not cost-effective to make an MPEG2 ASIC when DSPs are available cheaply. |
| 02:39.32 | Wyzard | makes sense |
| 02:39.57 | nathanv_ | dalias: yes.. gstreamer is slow.. but now it's getting way lots of momentum thanks to stuff like codeina and easycodec and yadada pluggable codecs |
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| 02:40.09 | pipeline | I still have a dxr3 around here somewhere. IIRC people actually figured out how to get it to do thtings other than MPEG1 and MPEG2 decodes. It's just too slow to be useful. |
| 02:40.23 | dalias | nathanv_, gstreamer is just a fundamentally bad design |
| 02:40.34 | dalias | because it was copied from a bad design (directshow) and then made even worse.. |
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| 02:40.47 | abrotman | it's not as bad as mplayer |
| 02:40.50 | dalias | there's no need for pluggable codecs if you use ffmpeg libraries because they have everything |
| 02:40.53 | nathanv_ | dalias: it's a huge conundrum because mplayer is tech. superior but legally trixsy |
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| 02:41.04 | nathanv_ | abrotman: troll? |
| 02:41.14 | dalias | mplayer is very bad design/code |
| 02:41.18 | dalias | but it works |
| 02:41.27 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:41.29 | dalias | however i'm not advocating trying to use mplayer as a library |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | nathanv_: is it a troll if it's seconded ? |
| 02:41.36 | dalias | i'm advocating using the ffmpeg libraries |
| 02:41.36 | Guerin | `works' trumps `bad design' |
| 02:41.39 | dalias | which are very good |
| 02:41.46 | nathanv_ | dalias: ha I was being sarcastic |
| 02:41.53 | nathanv_ | abrotman: appologies |
| 02:42.04 | Wyzard | dalias: GStreamer uses ffmpeg too |
| 02:42.05 | nathanv_ | abrotman: apologies |
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| 02:42.13 | abrotman | yeah .. your spelling sucks! |
| 02:42.20 | dalias | wyzard, yes, and the extra degree of indirection and memcpy's makes it slow as hell... |
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| 02:42.49 | Wyzard | dalias: The advantage of a framework like GStreamer is that you don't have to build specific support for specific formats into your app -- it can play anything that GStreamer has a backend for |
| 02:42.50 | dalias | i tried using gnash (linked to gstreamer, using ffmpeg plugin) to watch youtube vids in my browser |
| 02:42.53 | dalias | 0.5 fps |
| 02:42.54 | nathanv_ | wyzard: yes, but it's like putting a race car driver in a hummer |
| 02:42.58 | Wyzard | dalias: yeah, it could use some optimization though |
| 02:43.06 | dalias | when i watch the flv directly with mplayer, it's full-framerate and takes 20% cpu time |
| 02:43.20 | Wyzard | but that doesn't mean the concept is bad, just the implementation |
| 02:43.24 | dalias | so that's about 300x slower |
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| 02:43.53 | dalias | WTF |
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| 02:44.02 | dalias | any software that bad just needs to be rm -rf'd |
| 02:44.06 | Wyzard | dalias: I think gnash just sucks in general |
| 02:44.08 | dalias | there's no hope for fixing it |
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| 02:44.15 | dalias | gnash has very little to do with the performance i think |
| 02:44.28 | dalias | other people who linked gnash directly to ffmpeg said it worked fast for them |
| 02:44.40 | Wyzard | dalias: Last year I had to uninstall it because the browser plugin's cleanup function was doing a kill(-1) and nuking my entire login session when I closed a browser window that had any Flash on it |
| 02:44.42 | dalias | but i was using the debian package (linked to gstreamer) and didn't feel like trying to compilt gnash myself |
| 02:44.49 | Wyzard | gnash is immature and buggy |
| 02:44.51 | dalias | wyzard, lol |
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| 02:45.07 | nathanv_ | dalias: okay.. so let's say you're a dell, you want to bundle all the codecs in the US.. what do you do? |
| 02:45.12 | dalias | the only serious bug i hit was massive mem usage/swapping |
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| 02:45.41 | nathanv_ | dalias: I mean it's fine and dandy that we can add source lines and apt-get install.. but the avg joe can't |
| 02:45.46 | dalias | nathanv_, i'm fairly much opposed to vendor preinstalls entirely |
| 02:45.52 | dalias | they always fill the box with malware |
| 02:46.00 | dalias | and when they preinstall linux they botch it horribly too |
| 02:46.16 | Internat | so i have a question.. |
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| 02:46.20 | abrotman | dalias: oh that's bullshit .. people can click an RSS feed .. there's going to be a way to add apt sources like that |
| 02:46.27 | Internat | is it possible to remove devices from a lvm and NOT lose data |
| 02:46.30 | dalias | abrotman, ? |
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| 02:46.44 | Internat | like if u have enough space on the LVM that it can work without thouse devices? |
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| 02:47.04 | abrotman | dalias: sorry .. that was for nathanv_ :) |
| 02:47.07 | dalias | ah |
| 02:47.11 | nathanv_ | dalias: fair enough.. but then are you going to call the olpc preinstall a botched job |
| 02:47.18 | EruditeHermit | hi, is there a way around the breakage in java and other apps caused by XCB |
| 02:47.34 | dalias | the olpc preinstall is full of orwellian stuff... |
| 02:47.41 | nathanv_ | abortman: ha yeah, yeah good point |
| 02:47.51 | dalias | iirc it requires some sort of government id or biometrics or something to login.. |
| 02:48.12 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 02:48.13 | Nyle | abort |
| 02:48.15 | dalias | vendor-customized os installs are just evil |
| 02:48.35 | dalias | they should use a pure unmodified version of the os they purport to ship, or not ship anything at all |
| 02:48.47 | nathanv_ | dalias: hmm I guess I really want Linux to be used by everone... who can.. and the fact is that oem preinstalls is imho the way to gain that critical threshold to really pull Linux way up |
| 02:48.58 | Wyzard | I don't like closed-source Adobe Flash, but I'd rather use it than gnash |
| 02:48.58 | Wyzard | At least it works right |
| 02:49.00 | dalias | imo it's the way to turn people off to linux |
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| 02:49.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: FSVO "right" |
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| 02:49.13 | dalias | when they get a linux machine and it's full of malware and fuckups just like a new windows box.... |
| 02:49.19 | dalias | why would they be happy about that? |
| 02:49.27 | nathanv_ | dalias: hmm... well then if the oems "do it right" |
| 02:49.41 | dalias | if they do it right, yes.. |
| 02:49.52 | dalias | somehow i don't see it happening though |
| 02:49.52 | nathanv_ | dalias: and if there is a willingness...? |
| 02:50.02 | dalias | anyway about the original question |
| 02:50.12 | dalias | plenty of vendors are already selling debian cds with mplayer on them |
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| 02:50.19 | dalias | (and thus all the codecs in ffmpeg) |
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| 02:50.31 | Nyle | I care about carrots |
| 02:50.32 | nathanv_ | dalias: right.. any cases of DMCAs? |
| 02:50.39 | nathanv_ | dalias: I meant takedowns |
| 02:50.41 | dalias | none i've every heard of |
| 02:50.44 | dalias | the iffy thing is the warezed windows dlls |
| 02:50.51 | dalias | not the free codec implementations in ffmpeg |
| 02:51.02 | dalias | and the windows dll crap is not distributed in debian obviously |
| 02:51.04 | nathanv_ | dalias: right win32codec ? |
| 02:51.07 | abrotman | the german company didn't enforce mp3 ? |
| 02:51.11 | dalias | (and 99% useless/deprecated) |
| 02:51.32 | Nyle | what? |
| 02:51.34 | dalias | there are only maybe 3 or 4 codecs in that collection that are actually in modern use and not replaced by a free one.. |
| 02:51.43 | Nyle | I found that I didn't need to run a 32bit mplayer with w32codecs |
| 02:51.54 | nathanv_ | dalias: but technically, isn't ffmpeg subject to dmca.. I mean it's reverse engineering pro..hmmm I guess it would be realted.. decss would be related to that issue |
| 02:51.55 | Nyle | pretty much all I have works by default in stock mplayer on amd64 |
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| 02:51.57 | dalias | some wma9 stuff, and the advanced profile of wmv9 (wmv3) |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | nathanv_: from wikipedia http://www.chillingeffects.org/patent/notice.cgi?NoticeID=464 |
| 02:52.09 | Nyle | mplayer is like, the best fucking player of them all |
| 02:52.09 | dalias | pretty much everything works unless you want porn |
| 02:52.14 | Nyle | dude |
| 02:52.16 | dalias | then you need some windows binary dlls for porn :P |
| 02:52.18 | nathanv_ | dalias: ha :P |
| 02:52.19 | Nyle | all I _HAVE_ is porn |
| 02:52.20 | dvs | Nyle: yes? |
| 02:52.21 | dalias | hahaha |
| 02:52.23 | Nyle | and it allworks |
| 02:52.27 | phizeek | im running etch, im trying to install xlibs. but it gives me dependencie problems, im wanting to install cedega. |
| 02:52.27 | Nyle | :D |
| 02:52.28 | dalias | lots of porn is wmv3 advanced profile |
| 02:52.30 | Nyle | dvs: hi |
| 02:52.35 | dalias | and wma9 audio |
| 02:52.35 | dvs | Nyle: pig out! |
| 02:52.40 | nathanv_ | dalias: interesting.. |
| 02:52.40 | Nyle | whats going on man |
| 02:52.41 | dalias | and porn sucks without the audio :P |
| 02:52.46 | abrotman | phizeek: errors ? |
| 02:52.55 | nathanv_ | dalias: ha ha |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | dalias: would you rather the inverse ? |
| 02:53.00 | Nyle | I actually listen to sounds of porn while I play super mario |
| 02:53.04 | nathanv_ | abrotman: rofl |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | we can get you a room at motel6 if that's the case |
| 02:53.13 | dvs | Nyle: ? That's TMI! |
| 02:53.19 | dalias | abrotman, hahaha :) |
| 02:53.28 | nathanv_ | nyle: pet project... make a new container with spc and wm3 |
| 02:53.37 | nathanv_ | nyle: cue zsnes! |
| 02:53.39 | Guerin | porn just sucks in general |
| 02:53.48 | nathanv_ | Guerin: oh... that's a knee slapper |
| 02:53.52 | abrotman | Guerin: baaa-aaa-aah |
| 02:53.56 | dalias | :) |
| 02:53.59 | dalias | so anyway |
| 02:54.01 | phizeek | abrotman, says package xlibs is not available, i installed xlibs-static-dev, but cedega requires xlibs to be installed. |
| 02:54.06 | Wyzard | nathanv_: Are there actually any SPC players for Linux? |
| 02:54.06 | dalias | i get by fine without any dll crap |
| 02:54.09 | Guerin | nathanv_: heh, unintentional |
| 02:54.11 | EruditeHermit | is anyone able to run java? |
| 02:54.13 | Wyzard | nathanv_: The only one I've ever seen was a Winamp plugin |
| 02:54.19 | nathanv_ | dalias: I'm pretty sure mplayer does it |
| 02:54.19 | Nyle | yes |
| 02:54.20 | Guerin | !anyone use java? |
| 02:54.20 | dpkg | No, no one uses java, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:54.21 | abrotman | phizeek: AFAIK .. xlibs is gone out of etch .. |
| 02:54.22 | dalias | but the dll loader is still there because _some_ people want it, for complete porn-compliance :P |
| 02:54.23 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: Sure, anyone with a JRE installed |
| 02:54.28 | abrotman | phizeek: cedega should have fixed their shit by now |
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| 02:54.37 | nathanv_ | dalias: ? mplayer does spc? |
| 02:54.44 | phizeek | abrotman, ah.. ok, ty |
| 02:54.46 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: it stopped working after I updated to an Xserver with XCB |
| 02:54.51 | Nyle | mp3 playback in xine in sid is horribly broken |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | !+info xlibs etch |
| 02:54.53 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: is this common? |
| 02:54.54 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:55.11 | dalias | btw one really annoying thing in gstreamer |
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| 02:55.18 | dalias | it refuses to use ffmpeg's excellent mp3 decoder |
| 02:55.19 | Nyle | mp3 demux plugin is left out of libxine1-ffmpeg for some odd reason |
| 02:55.26 | dalias | instead you have to install this stupid fluendo thing |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | license issues i believe |
| 02:55.27 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: are you on lenny or sid? |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | dalias: their goal is different than mplayer's |
| 02:55.50 | nathanv_ | dalias: well isn't it because of some gpl/commercial issue |
| 02:55.51 | dpkg | Package 'xlibs' does not exist. |
| 02:55.51 | abrotman | or perhaps the path taken to that goal is different |
| 02:55.52 | Nyle | well in 1.1.8 and beyond anyway |
| 02:55.58 | abrotman | phizeek: see! ^^ |
| 02:56.06 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: That's possible in principle, since XCB (and its Xlib wrapper) is a whole new implementation of a very essential X interface |
| 02:56.12 | dalias | nathanv_, no, ffmpeg is all [l]gpl |
| 02:56.17 | dalias | there's an ffmpeg plugin for gstreamer |
| 02:56.24 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: but I'm up-to-date on amd64 sid and I'm still able to run Eclipse on Sun Java 6 |
| 02:56.25 | dalias | but gstreamer only uses the video codecs |
| 02:56.28 | dalias | not the mp3 decoder |
| 02:56.31 | dalias | very lame |
| 02:56.36 | nathanv_ | dalias: hmm.. weird,,, any official explanation? |
| 02:56.41 | dalias | no |
| 02:56.51 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: do you have java plugin installed? go to games.yahoo.com does that work for you? |
| 02:56.55 | dalias | but it kept me confused for a long time trying to get gnash to work with youtube |
| 02:57.02 | dalias | the problem was that it was missing an mp3 decoder |
| 02:57.10 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: I'm on amd64, and Sun Java doesn't have a 64-bit version of the plugin |
| 02:57.12 | nathanv_ | dalias: hmmm yeah they use an MIT |
| 02:57.12 | dalias | but i thought it would already have one because i'd installed the ffmpeg plugin |
| 02:57.31 | dalias | license? |
| 02:57.40 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: actually nothing java works for me |
| 02:57.41 | nathanv_ | dalias: yeah yeah MIT license on that Mp3 codec |
| 02:57.58 | dalias | ffmpeg is almost all lgpl, aside from a few optional components which are gpl |
| 02:58.10 | dalias | so linking with whatever is fine |
| 02:58.21 | nathanv_ | dalias: so yeah... did you read the WSJ review on ubuntu? The whole bit about legalese is in his miind the big barrier to adoption by everyone |
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| 02:58.40 | Guerin | this seems to be drooling offtopic a bit |
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| 02:58.57 | nathanv_ | dalias: I mean.. yeah.. I'd like to be optimistic and pray for everyone start distributing their multimedia with theora, vorbis, etc... |
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| 02:59.05 | Guerin | into the opinions of random eejits on ubuntu, and the advocacy troll about legalese |
| 02:59.09 | nathanv_ | Guerin: I guess it is |
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| 02:59.31 | nathanv_ | Guerin: apologies |
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| 02:59.33 | DarkGhost | !damn DHCP Expirations |
| 02:59.56 | EruditeHermit | is anyone else able to run java on either lenny or sid? |
| 03:00.03 | Guerin | EruditeHermit: yes, anyone else is. |
| 03:00.04 | Wyzard | DarkGhost: What's wrong with DHCP leases expiring? |
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| 03:00.16 | DarkGhost | Wyzard, loss of connection |
| 03:00.20 | Wyzard | DarkGhost: Your DHCP client is supposed to be renewing them if they're still in use |
| 03:00.34 | Wyzard | DarkGhost: Blame your DHCP client for not renewing the lease like it was supposed to |
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| 03:00.57 | nathanv_ | well, I'm off.. thanks for your perspective dalias; extremely helpful :) |
| 03:01.14 | dalias | yeah good talking to ya |
| 03:01.20 | nathanv_ | wyzard: thanks as well |
| 03:01.21 | nathanv_ | cheers |
| 03:01.30 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard, it renewed them but my ISP seemed to of not been connected to the internet |
| 03:01.56 | EruditeHermit | Guerin: I have sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-plugin installed, but I am unable to start any java program or get java to work with firefox any ideas? |
| 03:03.03 | FFighter | Hello folks, I've set up a basic proftpd config... I can connect through localhost, but when I try to connect from outside the box, I get a "Connection finished by host" error |
| 03:03.07 | FFighter | any suggestions? |
| 03:03.17 | Absolute0 | !gnome |
| 03:03.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 03:03.41 | GhostlyDeath | What rumors exist that GNOME is a desktop environment? |
| 03:04.05 | abrotman | FFighter: firewall |
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| 03:04.19 | FFighter | abrotman: But iptables is not even installed |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | doesn't have to be your firewall |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | or on the server |
| 03:04.39 | FFighter | abrotman: Hmmm |
| 03:04.47 | FFighter | abrotman: Yeah.. you're right |
| 03:05.08 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: I'm trying to find a Java applet by clicking on the game ads on http://www.java.com/, but all I've found so far is Flash stuff and ads for J2ME games meant to run on cellphones |
| 03:05.12 | Nyle | how can I see the options used to compile the kernel |
| 03:05.17 | Absolute0 | anyone knows how i can use the alt ctrl keys on my debian running inside vmware on windows? |
| 03:05.20 | Nyle | stock debian kernel |
| 03:05.25 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: (on my laptop, which is 32-bit and thus has the plugin) |
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| 03:05.39 | FFighter | abrotman: Is there an easy way to troubleshoot port connection ? |
| 03:05.48 | esaym | postfix is in /etc/init.d/ but it is not linked to in any of the rc*.d folders. Is there a command that will add it for me? |
| 03:05.48 | abrotman | FFighter: look at logs maybe |
| 03:05.50 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: http://www.java.com/en/games/desktop/bigmoney.jsp |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | esaym: update-rc.d |
| 03:06.05 | FFighter | abrotman: The thing is that I think the connection is being made but then the host finishes it |
| 03:06.23 | FFighter | abrotman: The logs are empty for proftpd |
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| 03:06.35 | abrotman | FFighter: try to increase logging |
| 03:06.45 | FFighter | abrotman: How? |
| 03:07.02 | abrotman | look in the conf file ? |
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| 03:07.09 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: "try it now", I assume, and then the big Play button? |
| 03:07.10 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: That crashes my browser, apparently while loading the applet |
| 03:07.24 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: popup window with a big panel that says "this is an advert, the game is loading", and then a crash |
| 03:07.27 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: yeah |
| 03:07.44 | esaym | abrotman: that is what I tried : |
| 03:07.44 | esaym | update-rc.d postfix defaults |
| 03:07.44 | esaym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:08.04 | abrotman | sounds like it's already there |
| 03:08.09 | esaym | it is only in init.d and no where else |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | esaym: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*postfix* |
| 03:08.44 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: so I guess the plugin doesn't work, though the rest of Java clearly does (since Eclipse and Azureus both work) |
| 03:08.59 | esaym | No such file or directory |
| 03:09.00 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: http://java.sun.com/applets/jdk/1.4/index.html |
| 03:09.04 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: doesn't bother me though... the fact that I had to ask for help finding a Java applet shows how often I actually use them |
| 03:09.06 | esaym | Yea I don't get it |
| 03:09.15 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: azureus doesnt work here |
| 03:09.20 | abrotman | esaym: okay .. use update-rc.d to remove them ... then put them back :) |
| 03:09.24 | esaym | postfix doesn't start at boot up either |
| 03:09.35 | esaym | abrotman: good point, let me see here..... |
| 03:09.35 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: Those crash too |
| 03:10.41 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: Eclipse and Azureus both work on my 64-bit desktop... I don't have Azureus on my 32-bit laptop, but Eclipse works there |
| 03:10.59 | Wyzard | EruditeHermit: and I was running JBoss on the desktop a few days ago |
| 03:11.33 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: thats odd, but the plugin doesn't work for me either |
| 03:11.38 | Absolute0 | mk,.,m,m\] |
| 03:11.41 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: it doesn't crash, but it doesn't show up |
| 03:11.51 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: thanks for testing it out though |
| 03:12.27 | esaym | abrotman: thank you ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*postfix*= /etc/rc2.d/S20postfix -> ../init.d/postfix now. Thats what I get for running debian on all my desktops and ubuntu on the server :-/ |
| 03:12.37 | abrotman | ew |
| 03:12.43 | esaym | tell me about it |
| 03:12.48 | abrotman | maybe the defaults are to not have it running ? |
| 03:12.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I need to make a word-importable vectorgraphics... and I thought of doing that with inkscape - is there something like svg2wmf in debian? |
| 03:13.06 | esaym | too lazy to update it to debian :-/ |
| 03:13.13 | abrotman | esaym: dont' really know shit about ubuntu .. maybe ask #ubuntu |
| 03:13.16 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe OpenOffice can import SVG and save to a word document? |
| 03:13.37 | esaym | abrotman: I don't care now it is fixed. If it messes up again I will install etch |
| 03:13.40 | esaym | :-p |
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| 03:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, not the worst idea... checking right now if it can |
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| 03:15.19 | frankr_ | Is Supaplex still in here? |
| 03:15.49 | frankr_ | Supaplex: you were the guy who also had an rtl8185 right? I got mine to work |
| 03:16.19 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 03:16.28 | threat | hey, any exim users here? |
| 03:16.47 | geo-rge | !anyone use |
| 03:16.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:16.54 | frankr_ | Haha |
| 03:17.13 | geo-rge | wow... dpkg is kinda cool :) |
| 03:17.17 | jetscreamer | no exim gets installed by default, nobody uses it |
| 03:17.36 | jetscreamer | s/exim/exim4/ |
| 03:17.42 | Nyle | jetscreamer |
| 03:17.45 | jetscreamer | woody users use exim |
| 03:17.48 | jetscreamer | Nyle: |
| 03:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, so that's not abusing the bot? |
| 03:18.26 | frankr_ | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 03:18.41 | Nyle | win |
| 03:18.49 | jetscreamer | winwin |
| 03:18.51 | Nyle | 1 |
| 03:18.59 | jetscreamer | 3.1 |
| 03:19.10 | geo-rge | that's using the bot for something appropriate... iirc, it didn't matter (to you I mean) whether others saw what dpkg said or not... in this instance I was trying to communicate an idea |
| 03:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, ha, you'll laugh... at least the debian-stable version of openoffice does not support svg (as far as I could see), but would be able to read in emf/wmf *g* |
| 03:19.22 | Nyle | "Why do you want that?" |
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| 03:19.28 | Nyle | Because I 1,2. |
| 03:19.31 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: oh well... it was worth a try |
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| 03:19.44 | Nyle | ehehe |
| 03:19.58 | gerro | anyone know where I can download source to compile mesa driver? debian repositories don't work |
| 03:20.02 | geo-rge | Because I ichi ni? |
| 03:20.04 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: save as svg and use gimp to create wmf ? |
| 03:20.08 | jetscreamer | mesa.org ? |
| 03:20.09 | geo-rge | nm, bad try |
| 03:20.18 | Nyle | mesa boogie.org |
| 03:20.21 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:20.28 | rvca | Hi |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: or use to create something word understands |
| 03:20.33 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:20.40 | geo-rge | you buy one of those from them... they build it first. |
| 03:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, yeah, thx, not a bad idea... the vectorgraphics-horror between windows and linux programs was still not resolved during the last couple of years, it seems |
| 03:21.04 | jetscreamer | guess not |
| 03:21.05 | geo-rge | very nice... I went to the factory once |
| 03:21.33 | gerro | no mesa drivers for xorg |
| 03:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, well, gimp... won't that automatically change everything into a pixel-format? |
| 03:22.04 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: wmf is pixel-format IIRC |
| 03:22.10 | geo-rge | mesa is I guess the lib that substitutes for having actual hardware acceleration drivers |
| 03:22.13 | rvca | I've been using Debian for two years now, and would like to help develop it. I'm not a very good coder (I'm an architect). But where can I help the project? |
| 03:22.25 | jetscreamer | gerro: http://www.google.com/linux?q=mesa+source&restrict=linux |
| 03:22.42 | rvca | Like doing what? |
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| 03:22.49 | rvca | I would really like to help |
| 03:22.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, no, it's the "windows meta format" - bit similar to postscript perhaps... but it's afaik the only (?) format you can store vectorgraphics in for windows programs |
| 03:23.00 | jetscreamer | !help |
| 03:23.07 | jetscreamer | !contribute |
| 03:23.07 | geo-rge | Kelly Bundy said she was an architect... right after that, she shot an arrow thru the apple on Bud Bundy's head |
| 03:23.12 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 03:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, well, there is "emf", but that's just wmf with enhancments |
| 03:23.20 | jetscreamer | there's a factoid |
| 03:23.26 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: well .. it'd be worth a try .. up to you |
| 03:23.39 | geo-rge | rvca: you're very welcome to help. here are some starting places: |
| 03:23.53 | geo-rge | http://www.debian.org/devel |
| 03:24.36 | geo-rge | you could join #debian-devel (there are at least two, one here, one at irc.oftc.org) |
| 03:24.36 | gerro | jetscreamer: what about that link? |
| 03:25.28 | geo-rge | you could look at http://lists.debian.org |
| 03:25.42 | jetscreamer | gerro: source |
| 03:25.57 | jetscreamer | wtf did you ask about |
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| 03:26.07 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite gerro |
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| 03:26.12 | gerro | jetscreamer: you gave me a google link.. I asked where I can get the mesa source code for mesa driver used with xorg |
| 03:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, pstoedit can in principle do it (well, go from postscript to wmf), but either with a commercial plugin... or...hm hacking it open a bit... |
| 03:26.53 | rvca | Ok, thanx... I will look at those links |
| 03:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | recompile and include an additional library, I think |
| 03:27.00 | geo-rge | rvca: good enough... |
| 03:27.19 | geo-rge | and even tho you're not a developer... I have something you can do |
| 03:27.37 | gerro | jetscreamer: don't see why I can't just apt-get install mesa or something similar :( |
| 03:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | libemf, it was |
| 03:27.56 | geo-rge | it's in about three parts |
| 03:28.00 | geo-rge | the first part is... |
| 03:28.09 | geo-rge | go to ftp.gnu.org |
| 03:28.27 | jetscreamer | gerro: you can afaik |
| 03:28.34 | geo-rge | somewhere on that site you will find hello*.tar.gz |
| 03:28.35 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mesa |
| 03:28.44 | geo-rge | unpack it (it's tiny) |
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| 03:29.00 | geo-rge | and read every file (it's tiny but packed with info) |
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| 03:30.00 | GhostlyDeath | geo-rge, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ? |
| 03:30.57 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: example of something cool you could do with the bot... say you notice a lot of people suffering through something you figured out already... |
| 03:31.20 | xaque | Anyone know anything about a divo codec? Sounds like a hoax to me. |
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| 03:31.38 | geo-rge | you could... write a web page showing what your experience was, what problems you had, how you solved them |
| 03:31.47 | geo-rge | and then teach dpkg the link |
| 03:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... sex and premature ejaculation (just to name an unrealistic example) |
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| 03:32.25 | geo-rge | if you then tell the bot to show that link when you saw someone suffering after that... |
| 03:32.35 | gerro | jetscreamer: I can apt-get install mesa-common-dev but there is no mesa-common |
| 03:32.36 | geo-rge | that would be you communicating an idea using the bot |
| 03:32.41 | geo-rge | totally appropriate |
| 03:32.55 | gerro | jetscreamer: how can there be development file for something that isn't there |
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| 03:33.21 | geo-rge | GhostlyDeath: well I wanted the original gnu hello tarball |
| 03:33.30 | rvca | THNX |
| 03:33.46 | geo-rge | then I was thinking about showing him how to pull apart a .deb by hand |
| 03:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what problem has someone suffered, that he was relieved of by you saying "!anyone use"? |
| 03:34.00 | jetscreamer | !anyone |
| 03:34.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:34.23 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: that would be a kneejerk reaction :) |
| 03:34.37 | gerro | popcon? |
| 03:34.58 | geo-rge | popcorn - r |
| 03:34.58 | GhostlyDeath | !anyone bananas |
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| 03:35.30 | gerro | !anyone use yomama |
| 03:35.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses yomama, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:35.34 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: I like to try to get people to think |
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| 03:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | me, too |
| 03:35.44 | gerro | hehe |
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| 03:36.07 | geo-rge | I think that if I can do that, they tend to wake up a little more |
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| 03:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it seems to me I'm being scolded at unreasonably sometimes...so thats perhaps something one could think about :) .... reminds me a bit of "jewish poker" in one of the Kishon stories... |
| 03:37.14 | geo-rge | rvca has a LOT of reading at this point... but I could pile more on him :) |
| 03:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, better than watching a LOT of sitcom in TV anyways :) |
| 03:37.55 | geo-rge | true |
| 03:38.08 | gerro | umm stupid newbie question I know but what x server does debian use by default? |
| 03:38.09 | geo-rge | makes me REALLY glad I gave my teevee away |
| 03:38.17 | geo-rge | x.org |
| 03:38.25 | gerro | just checking... |
| 03:38.32 | geo-rge | but I think xfree86 is at least possible |
| 03:39.14 | geo-rge | there will be the package xserver-xorg but there might still be the package xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | only maybe |
| 03:39.25 | geo-rge | gives you just enough to run the command: |
| 03:39.27 | geo-rge | X |
| 03:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think they wanted to flog it |
| 03:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it seems it's gorn |
| 03:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Package: xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Depends: xserver-xorg |
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| 03:41.19 | geo-rge | yeah, that does suggest it's out |
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| 03:42.16 | lvmnew | hello folks, i have ssl certs generated 2 files with a private key and public key seperate, can use the same for apache ? if so where would i put them ? would sym links work ? what would i need to name the files as |
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| 03:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean "the same one"? |
| 03:43.21 | frankr_ | In my system I have an ATI SB450 HDA Audio; the debian lspci -n driver check page says its supported by snd-hda-intel which is loaded. mplayer shows that it is playing the file however I hear no sound. any ideas? |
| 03:43.39 | Guerin | lvmnew: you can use a ssl key for any ssl purpose described in the certificate |
| 03:44.18 | lvmnew | CutMeOwnThroat: instead of generating new ssl certificates using openssl req i , i was wondering if i can copy into the certs that i use for postfix in /etc/postfix/certs , into say /etc/apache2/certs |
| 03:44.36 | Guerin | lvmnew: you should keep them in /etc/ssl/{certs,keys} and tell apache/postfix/whatever to look there |
| 03:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he already said it :) "yes" |
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| 03:45.40 | lvmnew | Guerin: aah okay. thanks |
| 03:45.51 | frankr_ | Also, I'm using a gateway ml3109 laptop and there is massive lag whenever the little hard drive access light turns on. Is this a bad thing? |
| 03:45.52 | lvmnew | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you :) |
| 03:45.53 | Supaplex | frankr_: yes! I'm here. |
| 03:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder though, you normally put the webserver address somewhere in the cert |
| 03:46.17 | frankr_ | Supaplex: ah! Yeah I got that rtl8185 card to work. I'm using it now. |
| 03:46.32 | frankr_ | Supaplex: turns out all I had to do was shutdown my eth0 device with ifdown eth0 |
| 03:46.34 | Supaplex | frankr_: so what'd you do? |
| 03:46.37 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: I think he originally got the cert for some email thing |
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| 03:46.53 | Supaplex | frankr_: ... why? oh - routing. what sources did you use? |
| 03:46.58 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: only the Common name record is strictly required. Some programmes barf without other fields, though, like courier needs country and a few others (though they needn't be valid) |
| 03:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I just wonder - if the server does not match, browsers will complain |
| 03:47.10 | Guerin | yes, indeed |
| 03:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | so while he *could* indeed use it, it would cause problems |
| 03:47.25 | frankr_ | Supaplex: but, from the beginning, Ij ust compiled rtl-wifi from source and went through the instructions on their page - http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu - and it worked basically |
| 03:47.38 | LordWolF | i need help real quick please |
| 03:47.38 | Guerin | browsers will complaiun about a self-signed cert anyway, but the CN record *should* match the FQDN of the host |
| 03:47.40 | Supaplex | frankr_: cool. thanks =) |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | !quick |
| 03:47.43 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 03:47.44 | frankr_ | It really wasn't that hard just a couple things I was forgetting to do like shut down my eth0 |
| 03:47.47 | frankr_ | np |
| 03:47.51 | Supaplex | !tell LordWolF -about ask |
| 03:48.29 | Supaplex | CrAzYWolF: you dawg! |
| 03:48.30 | binfalse | hello |
| 03:48.31 | frankr_ | Anyway - anyone have any idea about the two things I asked? |
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| 03:48.34 | CrAzYWolF | im having a issue trying to see my apt-get list to know witch app im able to install |
| 03:48.48 | geo-rge | there' :) does that help? :) |
| 03:49.09 | CrAzYWolF | so i was trying to install manually thunderbird but im having a issue with that too |
| 03:49.18 | geo-rge | define... |
| 03:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lvmnew, well, look at our discussion above... it should be possible, but the servername will not match, which could cause problems |
| 03:49.21 | Guerin | !install guide |
| 03:49.21 | geo-rge | manually |
| 03:49.21 | dpkg | [install guide] The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual. For ETCH See http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html . Also ask me about IG </msg dpkg IG> |
| 03:49.21 | CrAzYWolF | usually what is the command to install manually a app |
| 03:49.29 | binfalse | no |
| 03:49.33 | Guerin | CrAzYWolF: ↑ go and read that document |
| 03:50.00 | geo-rge | what is you are meaning by manually |
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| 03:50.16 | CrAzYWolF | doing ./configure |
| 03:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, the knife is only figurative, so it's not possible to take it |
| 03:50.21 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: don't |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:50.25 | Guerin | CrAzYWolF: don't |
| 03:50.41 | Guerin | CrAzYWolF: that way lies madness, and the derisive laughter of #debian will ring in your ears. |
| 03:50.51 | CrAzYWolF | heh |
| 03:51.01 | Guerin | read the install guide and install things properly |
| 03:51.18 | geo-rge | CrAzYWolF: Guerin speaks the truth... but you can still do that if you want... you might want to apt-get install build-essential first |
| 03:51.25 | Supaplex | frankr_: I don't recall where I downloaded sources from last time, but I checked out the entire svn repo to compare various forks+trunks. it seemed like they stopped developing it in late 2006 |
| 03:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, OK, I won't ;) |
| 03:51.54 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: well, you haven't yet. |
| 03:51.57 | geo-rge | there are consequences to building things yourself tho... folks here won't know what you did |
| 03:52.03 | geo-rge | and so can't help |
| 03:52.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, but I *might* |
| 03:52.32 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: but you said you wouldn't! |
| 03:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, true, so I won't |
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| 03:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:53.00 | geo-rge | if he's will he definitely won't... |
| 03:53.02 | CrAzYWolF | ok i did apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:53.18 | CrAzYWolF | and iot said can't find package |
| 03:53.24 | CrAzYWolF | it*+ |
| 03:53.24 | geo-rge | so now you should be at least able to do the ./configure |
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| 03:53.45 | geo-rge | another consequence of building things yourself... |
| 03:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | not ifthe package was not found |
| 03:53.50 | geo-rge | is you have to read stuff :) |
| 03:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrAzYWolF, try "apt-get update" first |
| 03:54.07 | geo-rge | start with the README that should be just under you :) |
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| 03:54.21 | Tsukasa | hi |
| 03:54.36 | CrAzYWolF | reading package list done |
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| 03:54.45 | gerro | I hope I didn't spam this channel had a weird glitch or something |
| 03:54.45 | geo-rge | Guerin: he might mean that the configure invocation couldn't find some lib |
| 03:54.52 | Tsukasa | http://pastebin.com/m59e34748 <-- can someone take a look at this error stack and help me for a sec? dpkg is crashing out |
| 03:55.00 | CrAzYWolF | i do apt-get install build-essential again |
| 03:55.06 | CrAzYWolF | and same error appears |
| 03:55.14 | gerro | kept spamming out stuff when ever i tried to type anywhere i tried pressing buttons on keyboard but it kept doing it and beeping |
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| 03:58.08 | frankr_ | In my system I have an ATI SB450 HDA Audio; the debian lspci -n driver check page says its supported by snd-hda-intel which is loaded. mplayer shows that it is playing the file however I hear no sound. any ideas? |
| 03:58.18 | \amethyst | Tsukasa: what is ubuntu-standard? |
| 03:58.20 | frankr_ | It seems like other people are having this problem however I cannot find any solutions.. |
| 03:58.54 | gerro | frankr_: what problem? |
| 03:59.26 | geo-rge | Tsukasa: kinda looks like you're running a 6-month-old unstable debian |
| 03:59.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrAzYWolF, how many lines start with deb in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:59.40 | Tsukasa | \amethyst: the ubuntu standard system. i know this is #debian but honestly im happy to find anyone who can help me here |
| 03:59.45 | \amethyst | geo-rge: s/a 6-.*debian/ubuntu/ |
| 04:00.00 | jmd | I've just upgrade apache and now it fails to start. Can anyone help? (on #apache they tell me that debian has completely f@!#kd everything, so don't ask them to fix debian's problems). |
| 04:00.00 | frankr_ | gerro: the one I described above |
| 04:00.02 | geo-rge | but you repeat yourself! |
| 04:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrAzYWolF, grep '^deb ' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:00.16 | Tsukasa | geo-rge: actually im just installing this |
| 04:00.21 | Tsukasa | manually |
| 04:00.24 | \amethyst | Tsukasa: the ultimate problem is that attempting to start dbus failed |
| 04:00.35 | Tsukasa | \amethyst: how can i fix that? |
| 04:00.42 | gerro | frankr_: I'm sorry I disconnected had to reboot |
| 04:00.49 | \amethyst | Tsukasa: Find out why it's failing (try doing so by hand, check the logs) |
| 04:00.57 | geo-rge | it also seems like perl is complaining about the "C" locale being missing |
| 04:01.01 | \amethyst | Tsukasa: beyond that, you'll have to ask an ubuntu channel |
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| 04:01.15 | xerophyte | does anybody know how does the 2 subnet works on the same server for example xx.xx.ay.xx and xx.xx.az.xx ips on the same server .. do they setup the switch port to have 2 allowed trunks ? |
| 04:01.19 | Supaplex | frankr_: ouuu, I have wlan0 :) |
| 04:01.26 | BlackMagik | which build is needed for dual core intel processors? |
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| 04:01.49 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: kernel you mean? |
| 04:01.53 | BlackMagik | yea |
| 04:02.01 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: -686 for 32-bit, -amd64 for 64-bit |
| 04:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, well, ask a real question? |
| 04:02.04 | BlackMagik | like from http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/ |
| 04:02.24 | CrAzYWolF | CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:02.25 | frankr_ | Supaplex: you're really close :P |
| 04:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, saying - what have you yet done to find out, what is wrong? apache logfile? |
| 04:02.28 | CrAzYWolF | ill tell you right now |
| 04:02.29 | Supaplex | BlackMagik: -686 contains HT+SMP options. |
| 04:02.30 | frankr_ | Supaplex: try getting kismet to work |
| 04:02.35 | frankr_ | that's what I did first |
| 04:02.48 | frankr_ | In my system I have an ATI SB450 HDA Audio; the debian lspci -n driver check page says its supported by snd-hda-intel which is loaded. mplayer shows that it is playing the file however I hear no sound. any ideas? |
| 04:02.56 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: "Why does apache2 fail to start after I upgraded it?" |
| 04:03.14 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: Q2. "What do I do to rectify the situation?" |
| 04:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, see the explanatory comment :) |
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| 04:03.42 | Supaplex | frankr_: muted mixer? |
| 04:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, well, other way round - check apache logfile /var/log/apache*/* |
| 04:03.50 | Tsukasa | \amethyst: cant you run dbus directly? its command not found |
| 04:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, check /var/log/messages for clues after the restart |
| 04:04.44 | frankr_ | Supaplex: no haha I checked htat |
| 04:04.52 | gerro | hmm can't decide mplayer or vlc |
| 04:04.56 | frankr_ | Supaplex: I wish itwas that simple :| |
| 04:05.37 | jmd | apache2/error.log says: "[crit] (70023)This function has not been implemented |
| 04:05.38 | jmd | on this platform: Couldn't create a Thread Safe Pollset. Is it supported on your |
| 04:05.38 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:05.49 | Supaplex | frankr_: has sound worked before in any other os/distro? some mainboards have front+back outputs, but one will be disabled in favor of the other. |
| 04:05.50 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: hey, about that, here's two ways to watch a log file that's alreayuy growing |
| 04:06.13 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: like /var/log/syslog |
| 04:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, try to start the apache webserver directly and see if any "permission denied" or other informative messages appear - if that works, try again as the user apache is normally started under |
| 04:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, tail -f |
| 04:06.39 | geo-rge | yes, and the other way? less +F |
| 04:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, hm, a 2nd one? ... |
| 04:06.54 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: How do I start it "directly"? |
| 04:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, didnt know that - but if you just do less file and then type G it will repeatedly jump to the new end :) |
| 04:07.14 | frankr_ | Supaplex: no. I dual booted windows and linux on this lappy but neither will work with sound |
| 04:07.22 | frankr_ | Supaplex: and only one set of inputs |
| 04:07.35 | dalias | grr this is super-unprofessional: |
| 04:07.36 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: and if you type F once it's like +F |
| 04:07.36 | dalias | http://www.abisource.com/downloads/ |
| 04:07.38 | frankr_ | also it still lags like shit whenever it accesses the hard drive which is starting to really annoy me |
| 04:07.52 | dalias | notice the missing charset headers and latin1 text in the file listing.. |
| 04:07.57 | geo-rge | dalias:!! they didn't pay it? |
| 04:08.10 | geo-rge | how definitively unprofessional! |
| 04:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, /usr/sbin/apache or /usr/sbin/apache2 |
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| 04:08.15 | dalias | geo-rge, :P |
| 04:08.24 | frankr_ | dmesg does give me this though |
| 04:08.24 | frankr_ | kernel: hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead. |
| 04:09.28 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/sbin/apache2 returns non-zero and logs that same error. |
| 04:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | what error? |
| 04:09.36 | lvmnew | hello folks, i just tried to enable ssl in apache2 i get error Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01 . i installed squirrelmail and the conf file is in /etc/apache2/conf.d http works, when i try https i get that error. using etch |
| 04:10.03 | Supaplex | frankr_: ouch. ifconfig wlan0 locked up my box hard. :-x |
| 04:10.12 | geo-rge | does squirrelmail work when you don't use https |
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| 04:10.21 | lvmnew | CutMeOwnThroat: 'Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01' |
| 04:10.35 | CrAzYWolF | ok im wasting to much time going back and forth with vmware how to i activate the ssh i think i didn't do it on the installation |
| 04:10.36 | axscode | how to turn off screen saver? |
| 04:10.37 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: " [crit] (70023)This function has not been implemented on this platform: Couldn't create a Thread Safe Pollset. Is it supported on your platform?" |
| 04:10.53 | dalias | geo-rge, i was thinking mainly that apache is crap |
| 04:10.53 | frankr_ | Supaplex: really? that is the sucks. Try iwconfig wlan0 |
| 04:10.56 | axscode | i want an always turned-on monitor. can anyone help.? |
| 04:11.09 | CrAzYWolF | if i use putty is going to be a lot faster |
| 04:11.11 | dalias | it's generating non-ascii dir listings by using locale, but not writing the charset in the header |
| 04:11.18 | geo-rge | dalias: aolserver was designed better probably |
| 04:11.30 | Supaplex | frankr_: it's why I installed it my desktop before I use it on the router or some other box. :p |
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| 04:11.37 | dalias | geo-rge, lol |
| 04:11.44 | geo-rge | have you seen it? |
| 04:11.56 | dalias | i heard of it back in the day.. |
| 04:12.08 | geo-rge | it's still in the day! |
| 04:12.17 | Supaplex | !+info aolserver |
| 04:12.18 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, duh... and that's directly from the debian package? unstable? experimental? Sounds strange - like you used a very unusual option |
| 04:12.30 | dalias | geo-rge, wtf? are you sure?? |
| 04:12.43 | geo-rge | yeah, I run it all the time |
| 04:12.44 | dalias | i can't imagine anyone actually using a server with aol in its name... |
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| 04:12.47 | dalias | ...... |
| 04:12.56 | axscode | hi all, hello, my monitor is auto-off, how i may enable it to always-on on debian? |
| 04:13.11 | dpkg | Package 'aolserver' does not exist. |
| 04:13.15 | geo-rge | about it being better designed, not totally sure about that, but it was originally designed to be a web application server |
| 04:13.18 | axscode | hi all, hello, my monitor is auto-off, how i may enable it to always-on on debian? i dont have X |
| 04:13.26 | Supaplex | axscode: stty |
| 04:13.33 | geo-rge | !+info aolserver4 |
| 04:13.34 | liable | !tell axscode -about repeat |
| 04:13.34 | Supaplex | axscode: or setterm |
| 04:13.34 | dpkg | aolserver4: (AOL Web Server 4 (Program)), section web, is optional. Version: 4.5.0-10 (sid), Packaged size: 938 kB, Installed size: 1920 kB |
| 04:13.39 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: It's a normal install from stable. |
| 04:13.48 | axscode | liable: its not repeat also. :) |
| 04:13.54 | axscode | thanks |
| 04:13.54 | geo-rge | !+info aolserver4-nspostgres |
| 04:13.56 | dpkg | aolserver4-nspostgres: (AOLserver 4 module: Postgres connector), section web, is optional. Version: 4.0-4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 04:14.10 | geo-rge | hmm, they didn't get my changes yet |
| 04:14.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, I think I was running the apache2 from stable on one computer for a time.... |
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| 04:15.08 | jetscreamer | !kill aol |
| 04:15.18 | jmd | So was I. Then I did apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade and it no longer works :( |
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| 04:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, do you have the package apache2-mpm-event? |
| 04:15.45 | geo-rge | it's actually pretty good... openacs runs on it :) |
| 04:16.32 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 04:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if you can remove that? |
| 04:17.00 | nepbabu | $ gpg --export - doesn't work . :/ |
| 04:17.03 | frankr_ | huh when I modprobe -r snd_hda_intel; modprobe snd_hda_intel then I get in dmesg si3054: cannot initialize. EXT MID = 0000 |
| 04:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just found that post (german) http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=558313 |
| 04:17.24 | nepbabu | $ gpg --export - |
| 04:17.26 | nepbabu | :/ |
| 04:17.28 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: apache2 depends on it. |
| 04:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 04:18.18 | Supaplex | geo-rge: openacs runs on aolserver? what's openacs? |
| 04:18.50 | jmd | OK. How can I find out what package version I *was* running so I can downgrade to it? |
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| 04:20.01 | \amethyst | jmd: maybe look for the second-most-recent version in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 04:21.22 | jmd | \amethyst: I'll do that. |
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| 04:23.40 | geo-rge | Supaplex: it' |
| 04:23.59 | geo-rge | s a pretty cool application framework with a package architecture |
| 04:24.06 | geo-rge | a good templating system |
| 04:24.08 | Supaplex | k |
| 04:24.12 | geo-rge | a content repository |
| 04:24.18 | geo-rge | a content management system |
| 04:24.24 | geo-rge | more more more more more etc :) |
| 04:24.32 | Supaplex | spiffy. |
| 04:24.41 | geo-rge | openacs.org if you care to look |
| 04:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, if you are lucky, your old debs are still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops... too late :) |
| 04:26.26 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm just looking there now. |
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| 04:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, anyways, perhaps file a bug report? It might be some libraries that are loaded incorrectly, but then dependencies or included libraries are still wrong in apache2 |
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| 04:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird, that only you and a couple of other guys experienced, though - probably it only happens if you also have some other package installed |
| 04:28.20 | jmd | CutMeOwnThroat: I have feeling that its depending on a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 04:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, I have an apache2 running on a 2.6.15-1-k7 system |
| 04:30.19 | jmd | I'm running 2.4.27-2-686 |
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| 04:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 04:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | why 2.4? |
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| 04:31.11 | jmd | because when I tried 2.6 all by network cards stopped working. |
| 04:31.18 | gerro | after much reading I have discovered my kernel is not loading the direct rendering module, I have no clue how to set that up though :( |
| 04:31.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cute |
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| 04:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, laters |
| 04:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | gtg |
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| 04:33.24 | Supaplex | !kismet |
| 04:33.24 | dpkg | well, kismet is a wireless sniffer, http://www.kismetwireless.net. kismet will not work with ndiswrapper and configuring it is somewhat painful, the kismet docs are very good and should be read before going to #kismet asking questions |
| 04:33.47 | Supaplex | docs are very good? *laugh* ... ugh. |
| 04:35.07 | nepbabu | afaik kismet works with wep only |
| 04:35.13 | nepbabu | not even wep2 |
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| 04:36.23 | Supaplex | I'm still wrapping my head around the -c option |
| 04:36.41 | liable | wtf is wep2 ? |
| 04:36.43 | gerro | omfg I can type apt-get build-dep mesa but not apt-get install mesa someone out there I hate you I hate you I hate you..... *dies* |
| 04:36.52 | nepbabu | liable, next version of wep |
| 04:36.53 | nepbabu | :D |
| 04:37.22 | nepbabu | nonetheless, factories are still producing wep. (cry cry.. :( |
| 04:37.49 | liable | no, factories are still producing cards that are backwards compatable with 11b |
| 04:37.54 | gerro | I didn't do anything |
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| 04:38.00 | gerro | you want to see my sources.list? |
| 04:38.06 | nepbabu | and what is 11b? |
| 04:38.16 | liable | its a standard |
| 04:38.19 | Supaplex | !802.11b |
| 04:38.19 | dpkg | [802.11b] a 11Mbit WLAN standard using an unlicensed radio band around 2.4Ghz, see also 802.11a, 802.11g, wlan, and wifi |
| 04:38.29 | nepbabu | b!= WEP |
| 04:38.34 | nepbabu | :P |
| 04:39.06 | Supaplex | gerro: no. too many neruons in flux on another task right now. sorry. :-P |
| 04:39.31 | nepbabu | anyway, the new cards should be 802.11n, can't wait. |
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| 04:40.18 | nepbabu | hehe |
| 04:41.25 | Supaplex | ahh. kewl. |
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| 04:41.38 | Supaplex | !ops flooding |
| 04:41.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: flooding |
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| 04:41.46 | Supaplex | bots etc |
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| 04:41.54 | simonrvn | !ops pbsb854 hzth841 wivd181 xtth97 FLOODING |
| 04:41.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: pbsb854 hzth841 wivd181 xtth97 FLOODING |
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| 04:42.16 | Supaplex | yay more sources to report to isps. |
| 04:42.39 | nepbabu | probably the damn storming bot |
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| 04:43.50 | mosno | can a kind person on Etch please confirm the existence of /usr/share/misc/pci.ids and /var/lib/misc/usb.ids on their system? |
| 04:44.00 | gerro | here is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37659/ and no its not that distro |
| 04:44.07 | peterS | mosno: do you have pciutils installed? |
| 04:44.34 | mosno | peterS: it just is strange that it's /usr/share versus /var/lib |
| 04:45.20 | peterS | mosno: the reason for /usr/share is that it is architecture-independent data. the reason they moved it to /var/lib was because you could run 'update-pciids' to download a newer copy from pciids.sourceforge.net. at some point they decided that /var/lib was a bad idea after all, so now it is back to /usr/share |
| 04:45.23 | mosno | peterS: yes i do |
| 04:46.22 | mosno | peterS: yet the usbutils people thought /var/lib was the way to go? |
| 04:46.39 | peterS | I don't know much about usbutils, so I can't answer that |
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| 04:46.45 | mosno | ok |
| 04:47.18 | sparr | i have a pdf that uses fonts that are not embedded in it. how can i embed them from my current system fonts (as they are used to display the pdf)? |
| 04:47.25 | mosno | i just noticed the discrepancy and wondered why. but yea i'm sure that many packages dont put packages 'exactly' where they should (ie. according to LSB/FHS) |
| 04:47.36 | mosno | or there might be a legit technical reason but i doubt it |
| 04:48.18 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.21 | peterS | mosno: well, the debate is whether the file really is going to be modified at runtime, after install. in a sense it is, when you run update-pciids, but on the other hand, that's a manual process, not an automated one that would run in the course of doing stuff with pciutils |
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| 04:49.27 | \amethyst | but it means that, to run update-pciids, you need /usr mounted read-write |
| 04:49.57 | peterS | mosno: there is also the question of what to do on upgrade. when you upgrade pciutils, and you've previously run 'update-pciids', would you expect the copy you downloaded from sourceforge to still be there, or the copy that comes with the newer debian package? something to think about. |
| 04:50.05 | mosno | i would *personally* think /usr/lib would be the most logical (static except for admin intervention, not arch independent) |
| 04:50.07 | peterS | \amethyst: that seems reasonable, though, no? |
| 04:50.21 | peterS | mosno: errr, how is it _not_ arch independent? |
| 04:50.37 | peterS | it's not like PCI identifiers vary between architectures |
| 04:50.40 | mosno | oh |
| 04:50.43 | mosno | i assumed they did |
| 04:50.51 | mosno | obviously i fail at PCI comprehension |
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| 04:51.12 | Supaplex | well now you know |
| 04:51.25 | mosno | peterS: wrt. the upgrade scenario, maybe it could be marked as a conffile? |
| 04:51.27 | ameyer | I wouldn't particularly call what the bots were doing flooding... |
| 04:51.35 | peterS | no, each PCI chip has an ID burned into it, and it reports that ID to the OS when it asks. obviously the types of PCI devices that you are likely to find in an Intel machine vs. in a PowerPC machine will be different, but the pci.ids file covers the IDs found all over the place |
| 04:51.45 | ameyer | lame, but a weak attempt at flooding |
| 04:51.51 | mosno | nice |
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| 04:52.08 | Supaplex | ameyer: yup. dumb bot masters are good sometimes :) |
| 04:52.24 | resistance | what is a binding to ipc server error mean? |
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| 04:55.37 | \amethyst | resistance: IPC is inter-process communication, "binding" is attaching a name to a socket |
| 04:55.55 | ameyer | ugh, I just had to mess with iptables to get something resembling a bandwidth meter... |
| 04:55.57 | \amethyst | resistance: so some process had problems trying to start talking to another one |
| 04:56.00 | resistance | y am i getting the error, what can i do to fix |
| 04:56.24 | \amethyst | resistance: no idea unless you provide more context |
| 04:56.29 | resistance | i'm trying to start dansguardian, it worked fine but then i installed something and......... |
| 04:56.41 | \amethyst | resistance: what did you install? |
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| 04:57.02 | resistance | a plugin that allows a user to bypass the filter |
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| 04:57.27 | \amethyst | and how are you trying to start it? |
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| 04:57.58 | resistance | i triend with dansguardian-which used to work, dansguardian -V, /usr/sbin/dansguardian |
| 04:58.37 | hunshad | hi |
| 04:58.44 | \amethyst | resistance: how about invoke-rc.d dansguardian restart |
| 04:58.45 | resistance | ho |
| 04:58.55 | hunshad | do i can run ragnarok with wine |
| 04:58.59 | resistance | i also restarted the machine |
| 04:59.26 | \amethyst | resistance: then check its error log. I know nothing about dansguardian, so I probably can't help much more |
| 04:59.46 | resistance | ok, thanks for u're time |
| 04:59.46 | hunshad | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.04 | simonrvn | hunshad: try it |
| 05:00.10 | hunshad | ok |
| 05:00.21 | \amethyst | hunshad: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=928 |
| 05:01.18 | hunshad | wiht wine |
| 05:01.20 | hunshad | ? |
| 05:01.36 | hunshad | good |
| 05:02.22 | hunshad | thank you |
| 05:03.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get install windows update |
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| 05:04.05 | simonrvn | dir C:\ |
| 05:04.19 | simonrvn | you know the rest :P |
| 05:05.09 | jetscreamer | /p :p |
| 05:06.28 | resistance | dansguardian: Error binding ipc server file (try using the SysV to stop DansGuardian then try starting it again or doing an 'rm /tmp/.dguardianipc' or whatever you have it configur |
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| 05:07.46 | \amethyst | resistance: so try invoke-rc.d dansguardian stop; rm /tmp/.dguardianipc; invoke-rc.d dansguardian start |
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| 05:08.20 | resistance | i have a limited debian build, invoke-rc.d is not available |
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| 05:09.05 | \amethyst | resistance: err... it should be there, in /usr/sbin |
| 05:09.21 | \amethyst | sysv-rc is priority: required |
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| 05:10.16 | resistance | invoke-rc.d command not foind |
| 05:10.25 | \amethyst | and you're root? |
| 05:10.37 | \amethyst | does /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d work? |
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| 05:11.18 | resistance | nope |
| 05:11.42 | \amethyst | then you can run it manually with /etc/init.d/dansguardian stop (or start) |
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| 05:13.16 | resistance | can't do it |
| 05:13.22 | resistance | $%#@%#% |
| 05:13.37 | \amethyst | did you install dansguardian from the debian package? |
| 05:14.10 | resistance | no, it's a smoothwall devel edition build on dansguardian |
| 05:14.21 | resistance | *debian |
| 05:14.38 | \amethyst | then ask the smoothwall people |
| 05:14.54 | \amethyst | I have no idea how they have configured dansguardian |
| 05:15.21 | \amethyst | and it's not very closely based on debian if it doesn't have /etc/init.d/ scripts or invoke-rc.d |
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| 05:16.22 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 05:16.34 | simonrvn | sounds like a mess to me, actually ;) |
| 05:16.51 | simonrvn | whatever, good luck with that |
| 05:17.06 | resistance | i guess i learned my lesson :D |
| 05:18.40 | \amethyst | resistance: still, try restarting it, however you started it before, after removing that /tmp/ file |
| 05:18.56 | resistance | i've removed the file |
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| 05:18.58 | resistance | still nothing |
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| 05:28.08 | jetscreamer | try --purging it .... |
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| 05:33.51 | resistance | is it possible to move config files for a program to a different directory |
| 05:34.43 | ShadowMajestic | best program for a mail server? |
| 05:34.57 | resistance | postfixc |
| 05:35.00 | resistance | postfix |
| 05:37.16 | simonrvn | !best |
| 05:37.16 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
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| 05:37.47 | simonrvn | !best =~ s/. Unlike the rest// |
| 05:37.47 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 05:38.10 | resistance | how do programs know where thier config files are |
| 05:38.47 | simonrvn | hardcoded usually |
| 05:38.52 | simonrvn | during build |
| 05:39.00 | simonrvn | or in the code itself |
| 05:39.05 | resistance | so i can't just mofe the configs eh |
| 05:39.18 | simonrvn | many have an option to specify an alternate |
| 05:40.08 | simonrvn | nvz: heh |
| 05:41.51 | nvz | idk says it is still 50degF here, feels colder than that |
| 05:42.12 | ubuntu-pl | !apt |
| 05:42.13 | dpkg | hmm... apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 05:42.46 | ubuntu-pl | !apt-cache |
| 05:42.46 | dpkg | [apt-cache] a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository is came from, use apt-cache policy foo, apt-cache show foo or apt-cache showpkg foo (searches for reverse dependencies). apt-cache search foo helps finding which packages provide or are related to foo by seearching all package descriptions. man apt-cache |
| 05:42.52 | nvz | !duh |
| 05:42.53 | dpkg | methinks duh is an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge, or <reply> no shit sherlock |
| 05:42.56 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 05:43.03 | simonrvn | !tell ubuntu-pl -about msg the bot |
| 05:43.09 | simonrvn | !tell ubuntu-pl -about selftell |
| 05:43.27 | ubuntu-pl | lol |
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| 05:44.25 | solar345 | hi all |
| 05:44.34 | solar345 | i am tyringto use ejabberd in debian and have certain issues |
| 05:44.37 | solar345 | can anyone help |
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| 06:02.06 | hunshad | hi! |
| 06:02.15 | hunshad | i have a problem |
| 06:02.31 | hunshad | everyone can help me pleaze |
| 06:02.39 | bonez44 | I came downstairs and looked in on my machine..and notice that every few seconds....the hdd light is on and i hear it thrashing..... |
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| 06:03.15 | Bogus8 | how can I get sound to work on 3g2 files? |
| 06:04.54 | Bogus8 | !tell hunshad -about ask |
| 06:07.24 | jetscreamer | ibavcodec is a library containing all the FFmpeg audio/video encoders and .... mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2,..... |
| 06:07.37 | jetscreamer | libavcodec |
| 06:07.47 | jetscreamer | on marillat's iirc |
| 06:07.58 | jetscreamer | can't swear it's what you want |
| 06:08.36 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: cool... someone is sending me something to my email from a cell phone |
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| 06:11.16 | thyko | hello all |
| 06:11.32 | thyko | being that there is no DHCP server running on eth0, can i run one on eth0:0? |
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| 06:14.28 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: how do I add that repos? what is the address? |
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| 06:15.18 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: nevermind... I get the info from dpkg |
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| 06:23.36 | AndroidData | is there a way to authenticate a user with, say, PHP? |
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| 06:24.11 | AndroidData | user types in user/pass in form, presses submit, and if their password matches it will grant them access? |
| 06:25.02 | \amethyst | AndroidData: maybe look at php-auth |
| 06:25.10 | JeremyK | AndroidData: yes. try putting 'php authentication' into google and hitting "I'm feeling lucky!" |
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| 06:28.00 | lelilu | Hello. After some time using regretably Fedora (cause of its shortly dropped releases), I'm going to switch distro. In doubt between Debian or Ubuntu. I'll use it for both desktop and server environments. Any recommendation please? (also concerning differences about server configuration/administration). Thanks. |
| 06:28.42 | AndroidData | nono, I mean authenticate using UNIX authentication |
| 06:28.53 | \amethyst | php-auth-pam |
| 06:29.02 | AndroidData | read /etc/passwd and -- with read-only access for my user -- /etc/shadow |
| 06:29.05 | AndroidData | oh |
| 06:29.29 | \amethyst | use pam please, so it will work for people with accounts in ldap etc |
| 06:29.36 | \amethyst | :) |
| 06:30.40 | et | lelilu: this kind of question leads to nothing. people will say "debian" in #debian, and "ubuntu" in #ubuntu. So try it out and see for yourself. |
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| 06:31.32 | AndroidData | where do I find php-auth-pam? |
| 06:31.43 | AndroidData | it's not a package... and the documentation of php-auth doesn't list PAM |
| 06:32.21 | \amethyst | AndroidData: aha, it's php5-auth-pam |
| 06:32.56 | AndroidData | ok thanks |
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| 06:33.36 | lelilu | et. Okay that is true, but sometimes other people experience may help. I was using redhat's stuff for years, and has taken me several to realize fedora is not a good idea. I thought maybe due to the fact that ubuntu is based on debian, maybe someone would show expertise here, so that I don't end up using something I'm going to drop in 6 months. |
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| 06:34.56 | JeremyK | lelilu: really, the thing is to use what you're comfortable with |
| 06:35.19 | JeremyK | i've personally gone from slackware to gentoo to debian, and i'm liking debian. but that's all server stuff, I use osx for desktops |
| 06:35.28 | sep | lelilu, i use debian on both my server and my desktop. running it on my desktop trains you for running it as a server. and you can easier try on your desktop before trying on your server. |
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| 06:35.58 | lelilu | et. From a newbie perspective to Debian/Ubuntu. It seems to me (I may be wrong) that Ubuntu has a better presentation (desktop, etc), but Debian more stable for servers. So I'm in doubt which one to use. I'd prefer to use only one distro when deployint to both server and desktop. |
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| 06:37.02 | lelilu | Does debian has an package update system? Maybe integrated with gnome or something? |
| 06:37.04 | sep | lelilu, and ubuntu have had problems with the upgrade path. for servers i'd use debian. |
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| 06:37.14 | sep | lelilu, several |
| 06:37.24 | sep | lelilu, but i use aptitude myself |
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| 06:37.47 | sep | again, why use grafical tools on your desktop since you need to know the real tools for your server anyway |
| 06:37.58 | JeremyK | agreed |
| 06:38.25 | popt | hello, i read some manual shows that conf file for postgresql is under /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf / |
| 06:38.35 | popt | but mine is Version 8.2 |
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| 06:38.49 | popt | under /etc/postgresql/8.2/main/pg_hba.conf / |
| 06:38.52 | popt | under /etc/postgresql/8.2/main/pg_hba.conf |
| 06:39.00 | popt | which one is correct> |
| 06:39.02 | popt | ? |
| 06:39.06 | Supaplex | what's hanging me up? I have no filesystems mounted from this. WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. |
| 06:39.09 | \amethyst | popt: on debian, the 8.2/main one |
| 06:39.26 | popt | oh |
| 06:39.39 | popt | host all all ::1 ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff ident sameuser |
| 06:39.48 | popt | what is this fffff stuff? |
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| 06:39.50 | \amethyst | popt: debian does that to support multiple instances (and multiple versions) of postgresql |
| 06:39.59 | Supaplex | popt: ipv6 |
| 06:40.13 | popt | I uninstall v7.4 |
| 06:40.22 | popt | now only one Version installed |
| 06:40.55 | \amethyst | debian still uses /etc/postgresql/<version>/<poolname>/ even if you only have one version |
| 06:41.40 | iKernel | Anybody managed to compile eduke32 under linux with sound? I did :) |
| 06:41.50 | popt | but some tutorial on interet refers: The install continues with several default parameters, and then creates /etc/postgresql/postgresql.conf, |
| 06:41.55 | popt | that confused me |
| 06:42.02 | \amethyst | that is definitely not valid glob syntax |
| 06:42.03 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:42.15 | popt | I see |
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| 06:43.04 | lalali_ | thanks a lot guys. |
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| 06:44.22 | popt | thanks |
| 06:44.38 | popt | discoonnect for a while to test database |
| 06:44.42 | harpal | When I boot in to my system than the volume become 0 and its also become mute why? |
| 06:45.55 | Supaplex | !bite fdisk+grub+kernel |
| 06:46.04 | Supaplex | yay! |
| 06:46.24 | jetscreamer | so debian xorg testing/sid is like v7.25? |
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| 06:47.43 | jetscreamer | !info xorg |
| 06:47.48 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 06:52.12 | pingouin | what could i have forgotten in an kernel configuration that make this : when i plug an mp3 player (fully ums) the kernel see it, but the log spit : debian kernel: sdc: unknown partition table, but, with the debian kernel this message does not appear, and the player is sdx reconnized . thanks for anyclue |
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| 07:06.22 | wols | use a kde install cd |
| 07:06.51 | nvz | Shifty: you'd have to use a kde install cd or do manual package selection |
| 07:07.14 | wols | !tell Shifty about install kde |
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| 07:36.24 | axscode | cd asterisk |
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| 07:44.50 | bintut | anyone here knows where i can download a .deb package for nistnet <http://www-x.antd.nist.gov/nistnet/>? |
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| 08:13.53 | Sebboh | Suppose I want to purchase some network equipment. And I don't want it to crash all the time like my linksys WRT54G does. ... And, maybe even I'd like to have 8 ethernet ports instead of 4, and, the ability to tell the DHCP server to give this address to that computer, and that address to that computer, and, give local DNS for all of them. Is there such a device? ..Wireless G is good, too.. I guess I could do a separate unit, if that's |
| 08:13.55 | Sebboh | only option. |
| 08:14.00 | axscode | how to check the installed packages? |
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| 08:14.57 | contrast83 | axscode: dpkg --get-selections > installed-pkgs |
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| 08:16.20 | mancubus | Hello All! |
| 08:16.50 | fasta | contrast83: is there also a way to reify the configuration for all those packages? |
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| 08:17.07 | contrast83 | reify? |
| 08:17.14 | mancubus | Does any one know how to configure DHCPD3? I'd like give to DHCP Client infinity LEaseTime. \ |
| 08:17.18 | fasta | contrast83: "put in a file" |
| 08:17.19 | mancubus | Thank you in advance |
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| 08:17.36 | Guerin | mancubus: man dhcpd3.conf? |
| 08:17.56 | contrast83 | fasta: unless i'm misunderstanding you, that's what the " > installed-pkgs" does |
| 08:18.11 | fasta | contrast83: no, that's only installation status |
| 08:18.14 | mancubus | Guerin, Yes. I had tried it, but there is now info about configuration/ |
| 08:18.25 | fasta | contrast83: I mean like the configuration of apache for example. |
| 08:18.42 | fasta | contrast83: but then for all packages in one big file. |
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| 08:20.17 | contrast83 | fasta: not that i'm aware of, although that doesn't really mean anything. |
| 08:20.43 | contrast83 | fasta: is this for backup/restore purposes? |
| 08:20.43 | fasta | I have a bit of an odd problem. I get an ide1 reset and then lots of IO errors when my video card draws more power during some period of time resulting in _data_loss_ with an ext3 file-system. It seems the video card draws too much power and as a result the PSU doesn't give enough to the harddisk resulting in the ide1 reset. But why do I get data loss from that? |
| 08:20.51 | fasta | contrast83: yes |
| 08:21.49 | fasta | AFAIK, ext3 should protect against that. |
| 08:22.12 | fasta | Or is the PSU really damaging the harddisk in some way by a power surge for example? |
| 08:22.20 | slapfaceware | what's an easy to config ftp server |
| 08:22.27 | slapfaceware | i can install on debian etch |
| 08:22.47 | contrast83 | fasta: i personally keep a mock root directory in /home/mike/.SYSTEM_RESTORE/root-directory, containing only the files/folders that i've manually changed. whenever i need to restore it, i just "cp -r /home/mike/.SYSTEM_RESTORE/root-directory/* /" |
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| 08:23.20 | fasta | contrast83: you do that via symbolic links? |
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| 08:23.51 | fasta | contrast83: i.e. you need to be able to sync the two. |
| 08:24.07 | gonzaloaf | hi, does debian record all failed tries of connection to the pc? I mean specifically vnc connections? |
| 08:24.12 | fasta | contrast83: you can always alias editor commands, when you do something to /etc too |
| 08:24.26 | fasta | contrast83: but what do you use? |
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| 08:24.57 | contrast83 | no, no links. copies of the actual files/folders. that way, when i reinstall, i can just copy it over after a dselect-upgrade |
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| 08:25.35 | slapfaceware | anyone? |
| 08:25.52 | fasta | contrast83: but you do that manually? |
| 08:26.11 | g00se | Just changed hostname in /etc/hostname and edited /etc/hosts and done /etc/init.d/networking restart over ssh. The hostname hasn't changed. Why not? |
| 08:26.48 | contrast83 | right. after changing something in / and confirming it hasn't broken anything, i copy the modified file to the mock root directory. |
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| 08:28.36 | alexalex__ | hi, ive seem to of lost / deleted my /etc/passwd file, is there any way i can recover it / recreate it with all the old users? - ive tried recreating the /etc/passwd file, but when i add a user, then change his passwd i get a: token malipilation error... any clues? |
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| 08:30.14 | pingouin | what could i have forgotten in an kernel configuration that make this : when i plug an mp3 player (fully ums) the kernel see it, but the log spit : debian kernel: sdc: unknown partition table, but, with the debian kernel this message does not appear, and the player is sdx reconnized . thanks for anyclue |
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| 08:33.27 | wols | partition table format |
| 08:34.03 | wols | check which ones the debian kernel supports and add them to yours too |
| 08:34.14 | slapfaceware | anyone suggest an easy to config ftp server |
| 08:34.29 | wols | vsftpd |
| 08:34.39 | wols | !ftpmustdie |
| 08:34.39 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 08:36.16 | simonrvn | pingouin: scsi support |
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| 08:36.38 | simonrvn | advanced partition table support |
| 08:36.45 | pingouin | wols: thanks for the lead. |
| 08:36.49 | simonrvn | (secondary) |
| 08:36.53 | pingouin | simonrvn: i'll check this too |
| 08:37.10 | pingouin | i think i have scsi support |
| 08:37.17 | pingouin | builded in (*) |
| 08:38.13 | simonrvn | not the only thing you need in there |
| 08:38.23 | simonrvn | also need to go look in the usb stuff |
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| 08:39.13 | pingouin | i got the USB mass storage support (*) |
| 08:40.30 | pingouin | i also got Scsi disk support (*) and scsi generic support (m) |
| 08:41.39 | pingouin | where are the partition table format options that wols talked about ? |
| 08:41.57 | simonrvn | NOTE: USB_STORAGE enables SCSI, and 'SCSI disk support' |
| 08:42.23 | pingouin | yep it's done |
| 08:42.25 | simonrvn | have CONFIG_USB_LIBUSUAL=y ? |
| 08:43.02 | pingouin | let me check |
| 08:43.13 | GutterPunk | On some of our sarge-based systems (where I apparently used some backports) I can't run iptables commands: "iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Module is wrong version" Anyone know how I should fix this? Or which backports package is responsible for this? |
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| 08:43.43 | GutterPunk | On one system I installed the backports version... doesn't work either |
| 08:43.48 | pingouin | simonrvn: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i CONFIG_USB_LIBUSUAL |
| 08:43.51 | pingouin | simonrvn: # CONFIG_USB_LIBUSUAL is not set |
| 08:44.02 | simonrvn | that helps |
| 08:44.29 | simonrvn | GutterPunk: unsurprisingly, iptables, and the kernel |
| 08:45.14 | graytron | can aptitude do what apt-show-versions does? |
| 08:45.24 | pingouin | simonrvn: i search which option is it in menuconfig |
| 08:45.37 | GutterPunk | simonrvn: well I didn't upgrade iptables on most systems |
| 08:45.50 | GutterPunk | simonrvn: so I assumed it would work with the default kernel. |
| 08:46.14 | GutterPunk | I guess my only option is to install the backports version of the kernel then... |
| 08:47.04 | simonrvn | fucking cinelerra :/ |
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| 08:49.18 | wols | GutterPunk: your kernel probably |
| 08:49.41 | wols | pingouin: /boot/config-'uname -r' |
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| 08:50.24 | GutterPunk | Never upgraded the kernel either :s |
| 08:50.34 | GutterPunk | strange |
| 08:52.20 | troubled | simonrvn: ? |
| 08:53.19 | pingouin | wols: i think, in the menuconfig (make menuconfig) this options does not appear, i got a : --- USB class driver and i cant select stuffs in it... |
| 08:53.28 | pingouin | i should have miss something.... |
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| 08:58.12 | pingouin | aaahhh CONFIG_USB_LIBUSUAL is in the make menuconfig as : The shared table of common (or usual) storage devices |
| 08:59.49 | axscode | how can i add additional option for the apt-get install mysql-server-5 --options ? |
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| 09:00.12 | pingouin | ok now the partition table format that wols talked about...., what are the name under /boot/config-'uname -r' ? |
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| 09:02.22 | pingouin | is this : PARTITION_ADVANCED ? |
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| 09:05.04 | wols | pingouin: among others |
| 09:05.05 | wols | grep PARTITI config-2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 09:12.57 | axscode | hi |
| 09:13.10 | axscode | mysql_config <--- do you happen to have this.. can you send it to me |
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| 09:19.10 | simmerz|work | whats the best way to patch the source deb for openldap? I need to add a particular patch to allow replication from a server that's been patched with their own blowfish patch |
| 09:19.20 | simmerz|work | "their" = one of our clients |
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| 09:20.34 | wols | get the source fromt he deb, patch it, build your own |
| 09:20.43 | wols | possibly fiddling with the version |
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| 09:22.53 | rokra | Please I have a machine with a scsi hard disk in a ad state. If I install a second scsi hard disk , is it possible to copy the first disk to the second (mbr, data..)? |
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| 09:23.22 | epsilon | ad state? |
| 09:23.44 | rokra | epsilon: oh sorry bad state |
| 09:24.22 | epsilon | what, broken hardware, broken filesystem... |
| 09:24.33 | rokra | sometimes disk is not detected at boot, and lot of error scis appears during boot and after boot |
| 09:24.54 | epsilon | and smart? |
| 09:25.00 | rokra | epsilon: so why do you advice me? fresh install? |
| 09:25.22 | epsilon | can be anything, broken hardware, bad cable/termination... |
| 09:26.02 | epsilon | if you want raw copy, try dd - and if the OS is fucked up, you have to reinstall anyway (or restore the backup :P) |
| 09:27.38 | simonrvn | people is stupid sometimes |
| 09:27.48 | karmatronic | ? |
| 09:28.02 | troubled | simonrvn! |
| 09:28.09 | simonrvn | what? |
| 09:28.16 | troubled | s/is/are/ |
| 09:28.21 | tdn | I have a system with two disks: one with an installed Debian system; and one with some data, but with 20GB free space. I have no screen nor a keyboard to the system. I only have SSH access. The harddisk with the system on is broken, but the system does boot. Now I would like to install Debian on the data disk. I think I can do this using chroot and debootstrap, but I am not sure how. I hope you can give me a helping hand. |
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| 09:28.47 | simonrvn | that was on purpose ;) |
| 09:28.51 | troubled | suuuure |
| 09:29.00 | dalias | rokra, i'd advise you to just copy your personal files and forget the rest |
| 09:29.08 | simonrvn | a la "all your base belong to us" |
| 09:29.16 | dalias | if there's possibly damage, you don't want a corrupt base system on the new replacement hdd |
| 09:29.17 | troubled | bah |
| 09:29.56 | rokra | I already changed scsi card, cable... |
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| 09:30.15 | rokra | dalias: this is a server in production with a lof of configuration to do |
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| 09:30.34 | simmerz|work | wols: just following a standard build from source howto? I've not done that before |
| 09:30.36 | dalias | well configuration would be included when i said your data |
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| 09:30.45 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 09:31.04 | dalias | a list of installed packages plus contents of /etc should be a plenty config... |
| 09:31.24 | karmatronic | people, do you know similar tools like no cat auth? |
| 09:31.26 | wols | dalias: congrats. all mails just disappeared |
| 09:31.36 | dalias | wols, huh? |
| 09:31.44 | wols | mails are in /var |
| 09:31.49 | epsilon | tdn: basic steps here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 09:31.54 | sharika | hi i was trying to make a voice control programme...i got the recognition part ok..now how could i control the window navigation through c??? |
| 09:31.58 | simonrvn | gar |
| 09:32.03 | dalias | wols, were you not listening to me?? |
| 09:32.14 | dalias | i was saying that covers all the _config_ |
| 09:32.16 | simonrvn | nope :P |
| 09:32.28 | dalias | i would assume /var is already included in "personal data" |
| 09:32.39 | simonrvn | uh, why would it? |
| 09:32.47 | epsilon | rokra: smart could tell you the hardware state of the drive... if fucked up, save alls you need and reinstall on new drive |
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| 09:32.51 | dalias | but maybe i should be more explicit |
| 09:33.04 | sharika | basically in gnome/kde what can be the standard method for controlling the window navigation through a program like voice-control? |
| 09:33.06 | simonrvn | personal data: ~/ |
| 09:33.14 | dalias | rokra, you should backup /home, /var, and /etc |
| 09:33.38 | dalias | you can't just blindly restore /var (and possibly not /etc either) |
| 09:34.01 | dalias | but it shouldn't be too hard to manually put back what's important |
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| 09:34.14 | rokra | dalias: okok I will try in this way :( , I had also compiled packages :( that why I wanted to bypaas this solution |
| 09:34.29 | dalias | if the drive is really failing, i would suggest not wasting time trying to get all of /usr (which you don't need; you can just reinstall it) |
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| 09:34.36 | dalias | ahh.. |
| 09:34.37 | dalias | hmm |
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| 09:34.47 | dalias | well do you have the .debs for the compiled packages? |
| 09:34.51 | dalias | if so you could grab those too |
| 09:35.13 | dalias | or if you didn't make debs but instead used /usr/local/, then just backup /usr/locale |
| 09:35.14 | simonrvn | if you made .debs (why didn't you if you didn't? ;) it should be easy to put back your stuff |
| 09:35.16 | dalias | local* |
| 09:35.20 | rokra | dalias: nono some packages are in tar.gz |
| 09:35.38 | psyche_ | how i can block windows spying program? |
| 09:35.42 | rokra | k no worry I will foind solution |
| 09:35.47 | rokra | dalias: thx |
| 09:35.48 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 09:35.49 | liable | how terribly annoying. I just stripped my etch box, got the new mobo in and then realise they have changed power connector standards :( |
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| 09:35.50 | Ronin | psyche_: why? they dont work on linux anyhow |
| 09:35.54 | psyche_ | i want to block that my teacher cant spy my monitor :P |
| 09:35.58 | simonrvn | WTF |
| 09:36.02 | dalias | huh |
| 09:36.08 | Ronin | psyche_: better idea,do classwork in school |
| 09:36.13 | dalias | are you using windows? |
| 09:36.20 | psyche_ | i have to |
| 09:36.27 | dalias | (if so why are you asking in #debian?) |
| 09:36.29 | simonrvn | wrong channel. bubye |
| 09:36.31 | dalias | ask in ##windows |
| 09:36.34 | liable | intels cpu fan sucks ass as well |
| 09:38.43 | dalias | :) |
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| 09:39.26 | DustyBin | are there any linux tools what will convert a .pdf into a .doc ? |
| 09:40.59 | dalias | no, that's generally very difficult |
| 09:41.04 | psychonate | google tells me: "Adobe Reader 7.0 for linux has a function "Save as Text". I's nothing really special but it works." |
| 09:41.08 | Romeo- | adobe acrobat |
| 09:41.20 | dalias | you can extract the text |
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| 09:41.32 | dalias | but auto-format a .doc file to look just like the pdf did? |
| 09:41.38 | dalias | that's in general not even possible |
| 09:41.43 | DustyBin | right ok |
| 09:42.06 | DustyBin | dam agency wants a .doc file for a new job and my resume is in .pdf format |
| 09:42.14 | dalias | umm |
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| 09:42.19 | dalias | you don't have a source for it? |
| 09:42.32 | DustyBin | i created it in QuarkXPress |
| 09:42.39 | psychonate | wtf is that? |
| 09:42.43 | dalias | no idea wtf that is |
| 09:42.47 | DustyBin | never mind |
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| 09:42.50 | Romeo- | mac osx stuff |
| 09:42.53 | DustyBin | yes |
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| 09:43.31 | wols | dalias: not true. open doc in Word, use PDF printer: same looking file |
| 09:43.44 | slapfaceware | how do i list raid1 partition |
| 09:43.50 | slapfaceware | fdisk and cfdisk don't work |
| 09:43.54 | wols | oops. wrong way. sorry |
| 09:43.55 | tdn | epsilon, thanks. |
| 09:43.59 | wols | true, you can't generate doc from pdf |
| 09:44.20 | psychonate | how long is this resume? |
| 09:44.32 | psychonate | can't you just retype it? |
| 09:44.38 | gimmeapil1 | DustyBin: why don't you paste it as an embedded image in the .doc |
| 09:44.39 | wols | DustyBin: rewrite it. takes an hour max |
| 09:44.53 | slapfaceware | i want to view raid table |
| 09:44.57 | slapfaceware | how to do that |
| 09:45.08 | Romeo- | why don't you copy from quark, and paste to doc?:) |
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| 09:45.21 | pingouin | thanks wols , thanks simonrvn for you're times and helpfull answers ! |
| 09:45.25 | psychonate | personally I like to type my nonsense in ooffice, save it in their format, and export as pdf whenever needed |
| 09:45.54 | slapfaceware | nothing is better than office 2007 |
| 09:45.54 | dalias | oo is soooooo slow-to-start/bloated |
| 09:46.12 | g00se | Just changed hostname in /etc/hostname and edited /etc/hosts and done /etc/init.d/networking restart over ssh. The hostname hasn't changed. Why not? |
| 09:46.14 | dalias | and office 2007 even worse |
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| 09:46.20 | psychonate | dalias, what do you recommend. I'm open to suggestions |
| 09:46.44 | dalias | latex is good if you know it and if it works well with your language |
| 09:46.53 | psychonate | I don't know it |
| 09:46.57 | dalias | but has a bit of a learning curve :) |
| 09:46.58 | psychonate | I know of it |
| 09:47.11 | dalias | abiword is good for quick-and-dirty stuff |
| 09:47.29 | psychonate | I require features though. I hear of this latex often, but I haven't the time for it currently |
| 09:47.31 | dalias | (much lighter than oo and better integration with the host platform's gui style) |
| 09:47.37 | DustyBin | im going to use acrobat professional 7 to save as 'word' document, then tidy it up in word |
| 09:47.59 | simonrvn | ugh |
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| 09:48.24 | troubled | dont forget to save as .rudegoldberg :) |
| 09:48.29 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:48.30 | DustyBin | hey its not my fault the agency wants a .doc file... |
| 09:48.34 | simonrvn | rube* |
| 09:48.44 | psychonate | you should've saved a copy in some other format though |
| 09:48.45 | Ronin | DustyBin: no but its your fault for your method around it :) |
| 09:48.45 | troubled | bah, i always screw that up |
| 09:48.59 | troubled | you know the way it is, confused about 2 choices, always will be |
| 09:49.18 | PriceChild | !ops SoLdieR is a bot that spams on users' join |
| 09:49.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pricechild complains about: SoLdieR is a bot that spams on users' join |
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| 09:49.28 | troubled | Ronin: you my personal dictd now? :) |
| 09:50.07 | simonrvn | fucking kornet... |
| 09:50.14 | Ronin | troubled: i was talking about me actually |
| 09:50.33 | simonrvn | that was correct usage o_O |
| 09:50.40 | Ronin | doh, i give up, cant even read this morning |
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| 09:50.51 | simonrvn | heh. go back to bed :P |
| 09:50.54 | liable | i love trolling woth 'your' |
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| 09:51.01 | simonrvn | oh dude! |
| 09:51.04 | liable | with even |
| 09:51.08 | troubled | liable: with*! |
| 09:51.22 | simonrvn | WITH YOUR ALL UR BASE |
| 09:51.28 | Romeo- | Ronin, nothing liked?:) |
| 09:51.33 | troubled | heh |
| 09:51.37 | Ronin | :) |
| 09:51.40 | liable | troubled: my history went missing again the other day |
| 09:51.58 | troubled | serious? :*( just the once in all this time? |
| 09:52.13 | simonrvn | er, what kind of history? |
| 09:52.17 | liable | troubled: it started to get on my nerves so i reinstalled the box |
| 09:52.24 | gryfel | my computer is sluggish,.... how do i detect if harddisc-dma is turned on? |
| 09:52.31 | gryfel | (in etch) |
| 09:52.32 | simonrvn | hdparm |
| 09:52.36 | liable | simonrvn: my root bash history would go missing every once in a while |
| 09:52.52 | simonrvn | O_O |
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| 09:53.11 | troubled | simonrvn: we were talking about this about 3 weeks ago or so |
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| 09:53.25 | liable | i thought it was kernel panics possibly causing it, but this time i had installed fglrx and *did* have an xorg segfault, but i couldnt explain why |
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| 09:53.41 | simonrvn | w00t stew |
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| 09:59.09 | atomiku | I was just wondering what the debian repositories are that have openssh-server, irssi, etc? |
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| 09:59.28 | liable | the stardard main repo |
| 09:59.35 | atomiku | Hmm... |
| 09:59.53 | atomiku | I did a base install and theres only two repositories in the sources.list |
| 10:00.12 | atomiku | Hasnt got irssi or openssh-server or anything :( |
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| 10:00.43 | liable | does so |
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| 10:00.55 | atomiku | Very strange... |
| 10:01.02 | atomiku | I did apt-get update and everything |
| 10:01.07 | wopwop | I have an old box here with no screen, keyboard or mouse. I want to install Debian on it somehow via the network card. I guess Ill need some sort of boot disk to set up basic networking? Then google how to install over the network? Any pointers? |
| 10:01.33 | atomiku | liable: could you paste me your apt-get sources.list in pm? |
| 10:01.39 | atomiku | (Would be much appreciated) |
| 10:01.40 | liable | atomiku: no |
| 10:01.46 | stew | atomiku: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 10:02.18 | atomiku | That'd be hard, I cant ssh to the box |
| 10:02.45 | liable | atomiku: what exact command are you using to install irssi or ssh? |
| 10:02.58 | atomiku | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 10:03.11 | liable | and it says? |
| 10:03.11 | gryfel | wopwop: There are kvm-swicthes, to share screen, mouse and keyboard..... but I guess to expensive for your old box? |
| 10:03.13 | atomiku | apt-cache search ssh only returns libssl |
| 10:03.20 | atomiku | liable: it says not found |
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| 10:04.54 | liable | atomiku: type out your sources list line exactly how it appears |
| 10:04.58 | atomiku | Bearing in mind I did a netinstall, but didnt allow it to get anything from the mirrors |
| 10:05.15 | atomiku | Alright, BRB |
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| 10:05.37 | liable | atomiku: is your internet connection up on that box? |
| 10:05.54 | atomiku | Well |
| 10:06.04 | wopwop | gryfel: yes too expensive |
| 10:06.28 | atomiku | liable: It was, but since I couldnt install openssh-server or irssi, there wasnt much I could do |
| 10:06.34 | atomiku | I'm on a windows box at the moment |
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| 10:07.20 | atomiku | Okay in my sources.list, I only have the security repository |
| 10:07.33 | liable | !mirrors |
| 10:07.33 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 10:07.39 | liable | go there and read |
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| 10:07.49 | atomiku | alright thanks |
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| 10:08.36 | harpal | hey I am trying to make a .deb package for pidgin. I have some error when I give command dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. Error is /root/pidgin/pidgin-2.1.1/libpurple/plugins/ssl/ssl.c:124: undefined reference to `purple_plugin_register' |
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| 10:09.10 | Ramattack | Hi mates! |
| 10:09.18 | harpal | I have installed that packege manually by giving ./configure make and make install than it install it perfectly |
| 10:09.27 | Ramattack | I know this perhaps should be a questin for openvpn irc... but no one answers there.... |
| 10:09.43 | atomiku | Hmm... deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org /debian/ |
| 10:09.48 | atomiku | Something like that? |
| 10:10.00 | Ramattack | how does openvpn know that a client certificate is allowed to connect and the same with the client and the server certificate? |
| 10:10.39 | Ramattack | you know why if I create a client certificate with my ca on my local machine and I try to attack a openvpn network why it doesn't connect to openvpn? wich check is done? |
| 10:10.42 | Ramattack | is curiosity |
| 10:11.42 | liable | deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:11.45 | liable | atomiku: ^^ |
| 10:11.50 | atomiku | yay thanks |
| 10:11.51 | stew | Ramattack: the server checks that the cert exists in the 'certs' dir |
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| 10:12.22 | Ramattack | stew, the server doesn't know where that dir is... |
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| 10:13.04 | atomiku | liable: Do I need a deb-src as well, Or is that fine? |
| 10:13.08 | psychonate | hmm, is there any file that records the date of the install? |
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| 10:13.28 | troubled | date on /etc/debian_version? |
| 10:13.41 | jelly-home | date on / ? :-) |
| 10:13.42 | liable | atomiku: if you intend on installing deb sources, yeah. though most people have no real need. |
| 10:14.00 | troubled | ;) |
| 10:14.08 | atomiku | liable: Okay, thanks for the help :) I'm going to plug the internet into my debian box and install openssh-server |
| 10:14.10 | stew | Ramattack: actually its not a 'certs' dir. its whatever directory openvpn is started in |
| 10:14.16 | atomiku | Oh crap then I gotta set up IP masquerading |
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| 10:14.23 | stew | Ramattack: unless you pass it '--cd' |
| 10:14.54 | Ramattack | in the directory openvpn starts in there is no cert only where it's specified to be it's cer |
| 10:14.56 | Ramattack | cert |
| 10:15.15 | psychonate | looks like 2005-08-07 |
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| 10:15.40 | psychonate | on /initrd anyway |
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| 10:17.09 | deathplanter | http://deathplanter.no-ip.info/buildlog - what the hell's wrong? |
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| 10:22.16 | liable | root___: dont irc as root. log in as a user and irc |
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| 10:25.23 | a0x0003 | hi to all, how i can search some file compiled with another version of glib |
| 10:28.19 | Ramattack | I have readen that openvpn checks if the peer certificate is signet by the same ca as it's certificate... but if someone stole .crt file (that is assumed to be public) could generate with openssl more valid certs?? |
| 10:29.18 | slapfaceware | how do i limit a ftp user to go other directory? |
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| 10:30.12 | wopwop | slapfaceware: chroot? |
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| 10:30.20 | slapfaceware | what's that |
| 10:30.25 | slapfaceware | im using proftpd |
| 10:30.34 | slapfaceware | is chroot a command? |
| 10:30.41 | slapfaceware | i've never used chroot before |
| 10:30.43 | wopwop | try man chroot |
| 10:32.11 | urv | slapfaceware: # Use this to jail all users in their homes # # DefaultRoot ~ |
| 10:32.39 | slapfaceware | can i just do it in proftpd.conf? |
| 10:32.43 | urv | slapfaceware: look the config file "proftpd.conf" |
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| 10:32.55 | slapfaceware | yes did |
| 10:32.59 | urv | slapfaceware: yes. and restart the daemon - if it is daemonized |
| 10:33.22 | urv | slapfaceware: have you uncomment it? |
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| 10:33.30 | slapfaceware | it's through inetd |
| 10:34.04 | slapfaceware | i don't see it's entry in inetd.conf though |
| 10:34.09 | urv | slapfaceware: ok. so that should be enough |
| 10:35.17 | urv | slapfaceware: ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 10:35.47 | urv | slapfaceware: this is the entry in inetd.conf |
| 10:35.48 | slapfaceware | i have it |
| 10:35.51 | slapfaceware | i'll restart inetd |
| 10:35.52 | slapfaceware | but |
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| 10:36.01 | slapfaceware | i don't see # Use this to jail all users in their homes # # DefaultRoot |
| 10:36.23 | urv | slapfaceware: it is in proftpd.conf |
| 10:36.32 | slapfaceware | i don't have |
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| 10:37.46 | slapfaceware | can you paste me what to uncomment |
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| 10:38.18 | urv | slapfaceware: /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf is the file you are looking for |
| 10:38.24 | slapfaceware | i am |
| 10:38.30 | slapfaceware | but i don't see any word of jail |
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| 10:38.42 | atomiku | okay so its all good now |
| 10:38.49 | atomiku | Just need to figure how to set up IP masquerading |
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| 10:39.01 | liable | install ipmasq |
| 10:39.08 | atomiku | Sec |
| 10:39.39 | atomiku | Installed |
| 10:39.49 | urv | slapfaceware: paste your proftpd.conf in http://channels.debian.net/paste please |
| 10:40.15 | atomiku | oh hey... and it works? |
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| 10:40.38 | atomiku | Heh nice. Thanks liable |
| 10:40.45 | chal | hi |
| 10:41.15 | liable | np |
| 10:41.28 | atomiku | lol one more question :) Only because I'm dealing with things that I haven't had to deal with before |
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| 10:41.49 | deathplanter | http://deathplanter.no-ip.info/buildlog - could anyone try to explain me why does the apt-build crash? |
| 10:41.51 | atomiku | In /etc/network/interfaces, I want eth0 to be 192.168.0.1 |
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| 10:42.14 | atomiku | Wait... I think I got it |
| 10:42.33 | atomiku | rebooting |
| 10:42.35 | liable | atomiku: man interfaces, and good docs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 10:42.48 | urv | how can i set an alias for a hostname? |
| 10:43.11 | slapfaceware | http://paste.debian.net/37335 |
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| 10:43.32 | chal | liable: need your help from downunder please I installing debian at the partition page no i need to issue the command swapoff or swap=off i can do a alt f2 to get to the consule but how do i get back to partitin page exit just leaves a black screen with curser flashing |
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| 10:44.01 | liable | chal: alt F1 |
| 10:44.36 | chal | liable: gor thanks so easy when you know how |
| 10:45.11 | liable | yw |
| 10:45.33 | slapfaceware | wtf |
| 10:45.37 | Cope | I'm having problems getting my wireless card to play nicely with a bridge: http://pastebin.ca/700553 |
| 10:45.42 | slapfaceware | there is no /etc/init.d/inetd start script? |
| 10:45.56 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: ls -l /etc/init.d/*inetd* |
| 10:46.04 | slapfaceware | not there |
| 10:46.04 | liable | slapfaceware: there is, but its not called inted |
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| 10:46.14 | slapfaceware | what else can it be called |
| 10:46.14 | liable | its bsd something |
| 10:46.15 | asg | /etc/init.d/inet |
| 10:46.20 | Cope | the bridge works fine for eth0 (ethernet cable plugged into router) |
| 10:46.31 | chal | yw and wtf mean what just so I can add them to my brain |
| 10:46.31 | Cope | but wireless doesn't |
| 10:46.44 | slapfaceware | wtf, openbsd-initd? |
| 10:46.52 | liable | ohno, it is inetd on my box |
| 10:46.56 | slapfaceware | wtf, openbsd-inetd? |
| 10:46.58 | asg | slapfaceware: yes, |
| 10:47.07 | slapfaceware | lol what the fuck |
| 10:47.07 | Cope | am I missing something? eg does the wireless essid need to be in a preup or something? |
| 10:47.20 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: that clashes with your "not there" |
| 10:47.21 | asg | slapfaceware: you use openssh don't you? |
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| 10:47.41 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: that is it. |
| 10:48.05 | diafic | Help! vmware refuses to build |
| 10:48.10 | diafic | gcc version errors |
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| 10:48.15 | slapfaceware | yes i use openssh, so what |
| 10:48.22 | diafic | I'm running 2.6.18 because 2.6.22 broke my audio |
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| 10:48.23 | liable | chal: you're welcome, what the fuck |
| 10:48.32 | waspius | hi/..how can i kill a zombie process? |
| 10:48.39 | liable | you cant |
| 10:48.41 | asg | waspius: you can't, it's dead |
| 10:48.48 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: openssh is yet another fine product from openbsd people... much like their inetd. |
| 10:48.54 | simmerz|work | where does apt-get source place source files? |
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| 10:49.02 | liable | diafic: so export the right gcc version |
| 10:49.04 | asg | simmerz|work: wherever you download them |
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| 10:49.09 | diafic | liable, how? |
| 10:49.12 | asg | simmerz|work: $PWD |
| 10:49.18 | diafic | http://rafb.net/p/xALyNx28.html <- 'binned. |
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| 10:49.29 | waspius | but i have for instances of firefox running and none are opened..and when i try to open firefox it says it is already opened but not responding.. |
| 10:49.31 | slapfaceware | no i don't want openssh crap, i just want to setup a plain ftp server |
| 10:49.32 | liable | diafic: export CC="gcc-<version>" |
| 10:49.37 | simmerz|work | ah, I see |
| 10:49.44 | diafic | What version do I need to export? |
| 10:49.46 | liable | lol |
| 10:49.57 | asg | slapfaceware: then install one |
| 10:50.01 | liable | dont want openssh crap, rather have insecure ftp |
| 10:50.04 | slapfaceware | i've installed proftpd |
| 10:50.10 | slapfaceware | in inetd.conf |
| 10:50.22 | slapfaceware | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 10:50.23 | diafic | I usually tell it to go standalone SlackDeb |
| 10:50.24 | diafic | oops |
| 10:50.26 | diafic | slapfaceware, |
| 10:50.28 | slapfaceware | but i can't ftp localhost |
| 10:50.42 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: even after reloading openbsd-inetd? |
| 10:50.44 | slapfaceware | i really prefer inetd to start it |
| 10:50.45 | asg | slapfaceware: is inetd running? /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start |
| 10:50.47 | diafic | slapfaceware, do: ps aux | grep proftpd |
| 10:50.47 | slapfaceware | yes |
| 10:50.50 | slapfaceware | inetd running |
| 10:51.03 | liable | and is it listening on 21 ? |
| 10:51.03 | slapfaceware | diafic, no, it won't show, cuz it's in inetd |
| 10:51.05 | diafic | liable, what version do I need to export? |
| 10:51.14 | slapfaceware | if inetd does not start it, you don't see proftpd |
| 10:51.15 | liable | diafic: whatever version it wants.. |
| 10:51.20 | diafic | slapfaceware, should have done it standalone~ |
| 10:51.27 | liable | why? |
| 10:51.36 | slapfaceware | why do you think inetd is for? diafic |
| 10:51.42 | diafic | can see if its running and reset the ftpd easier. |
| 10:51.53 | diafic | aaaand you can see which thread is glomming the CPU |
| 10:52.00 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: did you check the logs to make sure inetd reloaded the config and didn't complain? |
| 10:52.27 | urv | slapfaceware: just insert "DefaultRoot ~" in your proftpd.conf |
| 10:52.33 | slapfaceware | telnet localhost ftp |
| 10:52.42 | slapfaceware | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 10:52.42 | slapfaceware | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 10:52.53 | diafic | "ftp" isn't a port |
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| 10:53.03 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: so inetd works. |
| 10:53.03 | diafic | unless telnet does funky shit like that |
| 10:53.10 | jelly-home | diafic: yes, ftp _is_ a port. |
| 10:53.29 | diafic | is it going "ftp" -> port 21 |
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| 10:53.38 | diafic | because the string "ftp" isn't a number :P |
| 10:53.40 | slapfaceware | diafic, please, continue using linux until become better at it |
| 10:53.56 | slapfaceware | now it won't let me login |
| 10:54.07 | jelly-home | diafic: a file called services provides mappings symbolic port names to numbers. |
| 10:54.21 | diafic | jelly, yeah, thats what I mean :p |
| 10:54.28 | diafic | didn't know it did that |
| 10:54.48 | diafic | I need fudz. |
| 10:54.48 | mo--- | hello. i've a problem .. i think .. i've debian etch on a central server, but i need some packets (namely 'sope'-stuff) from debian unstable. is there a painless way to add only those packets and their dependencies from debian unstable? |
| 10:54.59 | chal | liable: i have #5 logical 3.00gb F SWAP the swapoff command is swapoff -a device what would be the device in my case i think i am correct here |
| 10:55.00 | diafic | packages. |
| 10:55.03 | diafic | and relatively |
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| 10:55.29 | fireba11 | mo---: yes, from backports if you can't avoid it .. |
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| 10:55.37 | liable | chal: i dont recall, man swapoff |
| 10:55.37 | mo--- | i know ... i could download them and install them manually via dpkg ... but i'd rather use apt for it (especially because i don't want to track security vulnerabilities myself but rather do an apt-get upgrade often..) |
| 10:55.44 | diafic | mo---, see PM |
| 10:56.06 | mo--- | ok, thanks. i'll look that up. |
| 10:56.08 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: these days, vsftpd is usually recommended instead of proftpd because of proftpd's security record. |
| 10:56.30 | chal | liable: ok thanks |
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| 10:57.05 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: it has "Very Secure" in its name, so it must be better! :-) |
| 10:57.11 | slapfaceware | i've installed proftpd |
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| 10:57.32 | slapfaceware | it's not my style to switch software because of the socalled record |
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| 10:57.48 | liable | heh |
| 10:57.50 | slapfaceware | im a serious admin |
| 10:57.53 | liable | interesting |
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| 10:58.05 | at0miku | Hmmmz |
| 10:58.10 | slapfaceware | and it's for serious task |
| 10:58.38 | at0miku | now here is where things get tricky :S |
| 10:58.47 | at0miku | Gonna have to learn a lot about iptables -_- |
| 10:59.01 | PriceChild | slapfaceware, don't use ftp as it is insecure... use sftp |
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| 10:59.42 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: more seriously, compare the number of DSA between the two in the same period. |
| 11:00.00 | slapfaceware | i trust etch, if it's not usable, it'd be removed |
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| 11:00.29 | CappioAlCollo | hi |
| 11:00.59 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: haha, like the proftpd version in sarge which had unfixed known segfaults during sarge whole lifetime as stable? |
| 11:01.28 | slapfaceware | leave me alone, newbie |
| 11:01.39 | slapfaceware | no time for you |
| 11:01.52 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: feel free to /ignore. |
| 11:01.58 | urv | slapfaceware: ? |
| 11:02.17 | chal | liable: found this but tried swapoff -a but still does not work:) wapoff disables swapping on the specified devices and files. When the -a flag is given, swapping is disabled on all known swap devices and files (as found in /proc/swaps or /etc/fstab). |
| 11:02.27 | chal | s |
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| 11:03.35 | at0miku | liable: ipmasq has to be run on startup, doesnt it? |
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| 11:03.52 | liable | at0miku: yes, it has an init script |
| 11:04.00 | at0miku | You see because I want to modify the iptables so it blocks everything apart from port 20500 which it'd forward to 192.168.0.20:20500 |
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| 11:04.11 | at0miku | And allow all connections from 192.168.0.20 |
| 11:04.19 | at0miku | liable: Doesn't look like the init script has worked... |
| 11:04.23 | waspius | how come when i run an application through the terminal, even though i use &, when i close the terminal all the apps close? |
| 11:04.36 | liable | chal: i really dont know, and dont feel like reading up on it :) |
| 11:04.56 | chal | liable: ok thanks for answering |
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| 11:05.17 | liable | my brain has gone into lazy mode |
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| 11:05.37 | jelly-home | waspius: your apps don't respond well to SIGHUP signal they get when terminal is closed. Use "nohup foo &", or dtach, or screen |
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| 11:06.13 | waspius | jelly-home: ok thank you |
| 11:06.16 | gryfel | damn read-write -errors |
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| 11:07.08 | at0miku | Bah this iptables crap is confusing :( |
| 11:07.12 | at0miku | </3 firestarter |
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| 11:09.51 | waspius | jelly-home: well i tried all of them but i get an error that the extension you gave me is not readable |
| 11:10.04 | slapfaceware | ok fuck proftpd im switching to something else |
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| 11:11.55 | Ramattack | Hi again... |
| 11:11.59 | Ramattack | one little question... |
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| 11:12.46 | Ramattack | I have heard that when you compile a new kernel... and boot from it could happen you top and vmstat utilities to not work... I havent ever run into a problem like this... when could this happen? |
| 11:12.48 | phogg | slapfaceware: may I recommend vsftpd |
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| 11:12.58 | slapfaceware | already installed |
| 11:13.12 | slapfaceware | but need to strict user to certain directory |
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| 11:13.25 | py_ | hello |
| 11:14.30 | py_ | I'm running sarge on a board which is equipped with a hardware watchdog, and want to make use of it. How can I figure out which module to load? Board manual just says it has a watchdog, but says nothing about which chip it is. The board is AMD Geode based. |
| 11:14.44 | harpal | Which packet I find silcclient.pc file? |
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| 11:16.16 | Ramattack | has anyone listened about this? have heard in bsd has occurred twice more or less too |
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| 11:16.44 | RichiH | why isn't there a vim-full-like package that does not include the X/GTK crap? |
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| 11:18.42 | dalias | i could ask the same about emacs... |
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| 11:18.55 | cydork | dalias: there is one for emacs |
| 11:18.58 | abcdef | how do i enable Gdlib in php ? |
| 11:18.58 | dalias | i'd love to have an emacs package without the X crap so i wouldnt have to specify -nw |
| 11:19.01 | dalias | oh? |
| 11:19.19 | slapfaceware | how do i change a user's home direcotry? |
| 11:19.24 | slapfaceware | directory |
| 11:19.34 | stew | dalias: emacs21-nox or emacs22-nox |
| 11:19.40 | dalias | ah |
| 11:19.49 | dalias | oh yeah i forgot i dont use the emacs packages anyway |
| 11:19.55 | dalias | because i need emacs23 |
| 11:19.59 | dalias | sorry |
| 11:20.14 | cydork | dalias: you use snapshot? |
| 11:20.18 | Enigma | Where can I get the lastest PHP 5.2.4 debian-package? Wether in stable nor testing I can find it |
| 11:20.21 | dalias | yeah |
| 11:20.39 | stew | slapfaceware: man usermod |
| 11:20.49 | dalias | or just edit /etc/passwd.. |
| 11:20.55 | cydork | dalias: from http://emacs.orebokech.com ? they have emacs-snapshot-nox |
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| 11:21.53 | dalias | cydork, ah cool maybe i should try that |
| 11:22.15 | Crystal | hello, i've a problem with debian: "hda: lost interrupt" i've tried to reinstall but it give me the some problem.. |
| 11:22.53 | dalias | errm this is emacs 22 branch |
| 11:23.00 | dalias | won't help me |
| 11:23.17 | dalias | oh no n/m |
| 11:23.21 | dalias | well |
| 11:23.30 | dalias | it's hard to say.. i don't know what's in trunk now |
| 11:23.35 | dalias | i need the unicode-2 branch |
| 11:23.41 | dalias | which might be trunk now |
| 11:24.01 | cydork | hmm don't know about that. |
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| 11:24.31 | stew | dalias: -snapshot is trunk |
| 11:24.38 | Enigma | Where can I get the lastest PHP 5.2.4 debian-package? |
| 11:24.39 | dalias | yeah |
| 11:24.52 | stew | Enigma: debian has not yet packaged 5.2.4 |
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| 11:25.58 | dalias | ah, yeah unicode-2 is still not merged into trunk |
| 11:26.21 | dalias | so trunk has crappy m17n support still :( |
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| 11:28.49 | Crystal | nobody want help me.. ok :( |
| 11:28.58 | slapfaceware | where is log file for vsftpd |
| 11:29.14 | gryfel | Crystal: Checkt cables? |
| 11:29.14 | liable | aww |
| 11:29.44 | SpeedyG | Crystal: I had that problem twice, once after mainboard failure, second time after memory failure.. so check those after you've checked the cables |
| 11:30.09 | jelly-home | Crystal: is hda your hard drive, your cd/dvd device or something else? |
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| 11:31.11 | Crystal | jelly cd/dvd i think |
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| 11:32.34 | Crystal | SpeedyG im a newbye, what cable i need check? |
| 11:33.13 | Assid | hrmm.. anyone here running mydns? |
| 11:33.32 | SpeedyG | Crystal: depends on what the hda device is, if its the cd-rom/dvd-rom. check the ide-cables to them, if its a harddisk, check the idecable to them |
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| 11:35.03 | Crystal | SpeedyG check? o_O |
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| 11:35.04 | Meltir | looking for help with dar archives. im getting a "Badly formatted terminator, cannot extract catalogue location", google knows nothing and im not getting a thing out of the manpage. anyone have experience with dar, and would care to help this poor soul ? :) |
| 11:35.23 | SpeedyG | Crystal: check if they're connected right (e.g. not loosely) |
| 11:35.35 | Crystal | ok |
| 11:35.39 | Crystal | thx |
| 11:36.24 | robboplus | hi folks |
| 11:36.33 | robboplus | what is the difference between 1000hz and 100hz kernel? |
| 11:36.41 | robboplus | i mean performance wise or else |
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| 11:36.53 | troubled | heya robo |
| 11:36.57 | troubled | about 10x :) |
| 11:37.05 | robboplus | heyy troubled |
| 11:37.11 | robboplus | lol so true :) |
| 11:37.28 | robboplus | ok but seriously |
| 11:37.37 | troubled | depends what your doing i supppose |
| 11:37.44 | robboplus | yeah |
| 11:38.16 | robboplus | just to make sure - no 100hz debianized kernel afaik, right? |
| 11:38.31 | troubled | smother interactive login, more fine grained |
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| 11:38.42 | troubled | i think 100 is the default these days |
| 11:38.53 | jelly-home | 250 is, in vanilla. |
| 11:39.17 | phizeek | ive been trying to install java, but it doesnt do anything. just give me http://pastebin.com/m759c3d05 |
| 11:39.19 | robboplus | how can i check what mine defaults to? |
| 11:39.21 | troubled | ah yes 250 sry |
| 11:39.33 | robboplus | etch and lenny |
| 11:39.53 | jelly-home | grep CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-whatever ? |
| 11:40.03 | robboplus | oh hm. |
| 11:40.26 | fireba11 | i could use some suggestions .. i want to use my debian server to store soem files that i can access from multiple locations. is there a painless way to do that with windows "clients" that is secure (e.g. on normal internet) without using VPN ? |
| 11:40.45 | robboplus | jelly-home wow that worked :) |
| 11:40.46 | jelly-home | fireba11: https? |
| 11:41.01 | robboplus | troubled, jelly: damn right... 250 is set |
| 11:41.25 | fireba11 | i would prefer to be able to access the storage without installing anything ... and WRITE access too :-) |
| 11:41.39 | jelly-home | fireba11: https & mod_dav :-) |
| 11:41.44 | Ronin | fireba11: scp ? |
| 11:41.50 | robboplus | troubled, jelly: can this hz thing influence i/o operations? or e.g. clock skews on AMD machines? |
| 11:43.26 | jelly-home | fireba11: I hear Windows Explorer (or was it IE?) can do webdav... never tried it. |
| 11:43.36 | fireba11 | Ronin : hm .. more like a network share .. samba is not designed for that use so it's probably not really secure ;-) |
| 11:43.42 | troubled | dont know about clock skews, but io sure. 1000mhz would give more polling for smoother interactive, which steals away from other stuff |
| 11:43.53 | fireba11 | jelly-home: webdav would probably work .. |
| 11:45.02 | jelly-home | fireba11: also, you can have vpn on windows (2000+) without installing anything else, but it can be a pain to set up. Then pptpd on the Linux side. |
| 11:45.29 | fireba11 | jelly-home: i know .. that's why i introduced openVPN in the company here :-) |
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| 11:46.07 | fireba11 | jelly-home: though it seems a bit overkill for me to set up openVPN to access maybe two dozen files :-) |
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| 11:48.00 | jelly-home | fireba11: you'd possibly need to set up a CA and issue client certificates if you wanted to be real secure with https, or at least have a real server-side cert and smart-enough users to verify it. |
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| 11:49.05 | Absolute0 | i have a debian installation on vmware and i want to install it natively is it possible to move the /var/cache/apt/archives dir to and outside partition? When i try to mount the vmware virtual disk i get an error |
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| 11:49.30 | fireba11 | jelly-home: it's only for my personal use and i'm mostly concerned about not compromzing my server with running something on it :-) |
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| 11:50.20 | fireba11 | jelly-home: you could also say i'm just too lazy to use my usb stick all the time for that stuff :-D |
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| 11:52.00 | jelly-home | fireba11: scp. |
| 11:52.18 | boky | does somebody know how i can set up loadbalancing if i have two adsl connection, but one of it's, pppoe? |
| 11:53.22 | jelly-home | boky: something like this? http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 11:53.27 | fireba11 | boky: what about routing the pppoe one trough a virtual eth and set up load balancing for the real eth and the virtual one? :-) |
| 11:54.12 | troubled | fireba11: your into pain? :) |
| 11:54.21 | Absolute0 | anyone knows if i can mount the native disk inside of a running virtual machine on vmware? |
| 11:54.25 | jelly-home | fireba11: why, a ppp device and an eth device can't be used together? |
| 11:54.46 | fireba11 | jelly: at least the question implied that .. enver tried though |
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| 11:55.06 | jelly-home | neither :-) |
| 11:55.42 | boky | fireball: one of adsl connection going throu eth1 and it's ppp0, secound adsl connection going through eth3 and it's have dinamic ip address |
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| 11:57.22 | tosh | anyone know of a script/proggie that will perform basic stats on a csv file? (organise categories and give totals, etc) |
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| 11:58.40 | fireba11 | boky: i'd still expect load balancing to work "like normal" with that :-D |
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| 12:00.37 | boky | I would like to set up loadbalancing with ppp0 and eth3 |
| 12:01.13 | boky | but ppp0 going through eth1, and if I comment that interface in /etc/network/interface, I can't start ppp0 connection |
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| 12:01.26 | fireba11 | : boky naturally |
| 12:01.37 | jelly-home | why would you comment it out? |
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| 12:01.47 | boky | yes, but I can understund what I need to do..? |
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| 12:02.04 | boky | please, can u explain me in one or two sentencies... |
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| 12:02.54 | chetan | hi. can someone please tell me how i can find the CFLAGS that were used to compile a package? |
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| 12:03.57 | Absolute0 | !ntfs |
| 12:03.57 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 12:04.18 | jelly-home | chetan: download the source (enabling deb-src repositories in your sources.list first) and take a look at debian/rules script. |
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| 12:05.13 | chetan | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 12:06.18 | Absolute0 | any one knows what repo ntfs-3g is in? |
| 12:06.21 | Absolute0 | i can find it |
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| 12:06.38 | fasta | Is there any way to test the stability of a PSU? |
| 12:06.44 | boky | jelly-home: do u suggest me to live eth1 for ppp0 connection, and create eth1: XXX, and that etherhet put in bound interface? |
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| 12:07.00 | fasta | (other than using it until it breaks) |
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| 12:07.15 | fasta | I am looking for a stress test that will use all my devices at the same time. |
| 12:07.26 | jelly-home | boky: don't touch eth1 at all, use ppp0 and eth3. |
| 12:07.42 | boky | ok |
| 12:07.46 | boky | i'll try |
| 12:07.59 | boky | jelly-home: thanks |
| 12:08.24 | jelly-home | nema na cemu ;-) |
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| 12:09.04 | zmitya | hi all |
| 12:09.22 | zmitya | does anybody have experiences with the tagged vlans on etch ? |
| 12:09.41 | zmitya | is it reliable, can we use it in a production system ? |
| 12:10.30 | xand | well, etch is classed as stable but no idea about that |
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| 12:12.52 | zmitya | xand: thx.. |
| 12:12.56 | zmitya | anybody else ? |
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| 12:15.10 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 12:15.25 | solar_ant | how do I play flv files in debian |
| 12:15.44 | cydork | solar_ant: mplayer/vlc can play them. |
| 12:18.03 | solar_ant | silly me |
| 12:18.07 | solar_ant | yes it does cydork |
| 12:18.08 | solar_ant | thanks |
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| 12:18.22 | bintut | is it possible to lvextend an LV even if it's currently being used? will it not turn out to be a disaster instead? |
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| 12:19.17 | SlayerXP | bintut: it's safe to extend an LV while it's in use |
| 12:19.41 | SlayerXP | actually making the filesystem aware of the extension is a different matter |
| 12:20.38 | bintut | SlayerXP: i see. i'm actually planning to extend my /home LV partition which is using a reiserfs |
| 12:21.11 | SlayerXP | bintut: there's one extra step you need then. |
| 12:21.37 | SlayerXP | bintut: you'll need to hunt down the person who decided to use reiserfs, kill them slowly and painfully, and then burn the body. |
| 12:21.44 | SlayerXP | bintut: we'll all provide an alibi for you. |
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| 12:22.35 | bintut | SlayerXP: ok. |
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| 12:26.44 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone here know how to prevent other users from using _my_ "ssh -L" forwarded port? |
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| 12:32.04 | MauL^ | hey guys, I was installing debian via NETINSTALL but It said it failed to install GRUB BOOT LOADER, I tried several times but always it gave me a fatal error. I also tried to install LILO but it also gave me fatal error. so I had to finish install without installing a boot loader. now, what can I do? thanks! |
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| 12:32.39 | vin` | MauL^: boot to rescue mode |
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| 12:32.58 | MauL^ | via CD? |
| 12:33.04 | vin` | MauL^: yup |
| 12:33.14 | MauL^ | it gives me two options, F1 for HELP, ENTER TO boot |
| 12:33.21 | MauL^ | when I choose boot, it starts reinstalling |
| 12:33.27 | harpal | jelly-home: I have three interface and I have two internet connection and used two interface. I have used one interface for internal LAN. I have used proxy server, so that internal LAN pc can use internet. now can I do load balancing in that? |
| 12:33.32 | vin` | MauL^: hit F1, read... |
| 12:33.53 | MauL^ | vin` I didnt know what to do after |
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| 12:34.08 | vin` | MauL^: what are your options? |
| 12:34.27 | MauL^ | I restart, wait |
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| 12:34.54 | MauL^ | prerequistes for installing debian |
| 12:35.04 | Aleksej | http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install |
| 12:35.07 | MauL^ | boots methods for special ways of using this cd |
| 12:35.10 | Aleksej | "You may prefer the installation over the prepared CD images, especially if you are a beginner. Even if they are outdated, they usually work. You can still get updates from the online repositories." |
| 12:35.21 | MauL^ | additional boot methods rescue mode |
| 12:35.22 | Aleksej | Guess the CD images and installation are mixed up. |
| 12:35.26 | MauL^ | is this? |
| 12:35.29 | vin` | MauL^: yes |
| 12:36.11 | MauL^ | ok. |
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| 12:37.02 | Bronsky | hi ! |
| 12:37.23 | Bronsky | somebody use a network printer with jetdirect 9100 protocol ? |
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| 12:37.47 | Absolute0 | does the debian install disk run ntfs? |
| 12:37.49 | Bronsky | Can you tell me if your inetd.conf contains lines with jetdirect 9100 please ? |
| 12:38.40 | MauL^ | vin` it looks life I am re-installing |
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| 12:46.47 | Bronsky | i can replace openbsd-inetd by xinetd withiout problem ? |
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| 12:47.01 | Bronsky | i must just do apt-get install xinetd ? |
| 12:47.10 | MauL^ | vin` I opened rescuegui but I dont see anything related to the boot manager |
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| 12:48.23 | vin` | MauL^: I haven't tried the gui, if your drives and proc are mounted, chroot in. /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 12:49.06 | fasta | Is this a big problem? http://paste.debian.net/37346 |
| 12:49.36 | liable | Bronsky: sure |
| 12:49.46 | simmerz|work | on building a deb source, will it recreate a binary .deb for installation on other machines? |
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| 12:50.05 | Bronsky | liable, ok :) |
| 12:52.33 | cloakable | Has anyone here used KDE with LTSP? |
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| 12:56.20 | Beauty | good site-> www.clubsjarel.com |
| 12:56.37 | liable | Bronsky: piss off and take your spam with you |
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| 12:56.51 | Beauty | ? |
| 12:56.53 | liable | Beauty: piss off and take your spam with you |
| 12:56.54 | frafra | hi all |
| 12:57.01 | liable | Bronsky: sorry |
| 12:57.05 | slapfaceware | i want to set certain file permission after a user ftp something to server, how to do that? |
| 12:57.09 | Bronsky | ????? :) my spam |
| 12:57.13 | Bronsky | ok :) |
| 12:57.24 | Beauty | sorry |
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| 12:57.55 | frafra | excuseme, I can't change resolution on the external monitor of my laptop with nvidia 100.14 driver on debian sid... I've tryed to change resolution in xorg.conf, but works only 800x680... how to fix this? |
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| 12:59.00 | defrysk | frafra, try nvidia-settings |
| 12:59.14 | liable | frafra: little secret, if you are clueless and cant use google, dont admit that you are using sid. :) |
| 12:59.15 | slapfaceware | anyone hlep? |
| 12:59.45 | frafra | defrysk: same problem |
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| 12:59.59 | defrysk | ow? |
| 13:00.02 | defrysk | wierd |
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| 13:00.47 | AdamT5 | Hi Does anyone in here know any good resources or how to set up x client on debian |
| 13:02.14 | sep | any spesific x client or just anyone ? apt-get install xeyes would install the xeyes Xa x client |
| 13:02.23 | frafra | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x1024"; removing. |
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| 13:03.02 | AdamT5 | well im new to thin client technology and it has been suggested to use X11 protocol but thats about it |
| 13:03.03 | SlimG2 | Howto setup sendmail with a smtp host so it's able to send mail? |
| 13:03.23 | liable | why sendmail? |
| 13:03.33 | et | you don't want to use sendmail </yoda> |
| 13:03.34 | sep | AdamT5, install the ltsp packages that are in debian and read their docs it does exactly what you want |
| 13:03.42 | et | jedi, even |
| 13:03.50 | SlimG2 | liable & et: mediawiki seems to be dependent on it |
| 13:04.00 | liable | SlimG2: nein! |
| 13:04.30 | AdamT5 | thanks sep |
| 13:04.40 | SlimG2 | liable: What can I use instead? |
| 13:04.47 | liable | SlimG2: any mta |
| 13:05.20 | et | if the only purpose is to send mails, there are many small packages that just do that |
| 13:05.20 | petemc | any sendmail compatible mta |
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| 13:05.47 | et | but i would be surprised if mediawiki wasn't able to talk smtp |
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| 13:08.13 | SlimG2 | Is there a simple mta you can recommend me for use with mediawiki? |
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| 13:08.32 | liable | SlimG2: you should have one installed already |
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| 13:09.39 | SlimG2 | liable: how do I setup a smtp server on the one I've probably got now? (etch) |
| 13:10.04 | liable | SlimG2: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:12.05 | SlimG2 | liable: Thank you, and sorry for having to teach me basics |
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| 13:13.19 | liable | SlimG2: no worries at all |
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| 13:14.18 | Agiofws | hi |
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| 13:14.25 | Agiofws | hi could someone distinguish the differences in sendmail fetchmail procmail fo r i see i need these three to connec to my google.pop acount |
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| 13:15.26 | petemc | Agiofws: you could use a mail user agent such as thunderbird to collect pop mail |
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| 13:15.38 | Agiofws | petemc, i prefer mut |
| 13:15.41 | Agiofws | petemc, i prefer mutt |
| 13:15.42 | vin` | Agiofws: or fetchmail, procmail, exim and mutt |
| 13:15.46 | infernix | i'm running debian with iscsi as its root disk. is there a "debian way" to get /etc/init.d/networking to not bring down any interfaces at reboot/shutdown? |
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| 13:15.50 | petemc | Agiofws: mutt can do it too |
| 13:16.00 | infernix | if not, i'll just add an exit 0 to /etc/init.d/networking and be done with it |
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| 13:16.12 | Agiofws | i think askes whats the dif of those apps |
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| 13:16.56 | DexterF | howdy |
| 13:16.59 | liable | infernix: eh. what am i missing here? |
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| 13:17.24 | DexterF | ran 2 VMs on a 1gig machine. suspended both, closed vmware. swap space won't get freed. why? |
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| 13:17.44 | infernix | liable: complex to explain, but i'm doing bonding+iscsi+dhcp in initrd. i don't want debian to touch any interfaces |
| 13:18.13 | infernix | yet it seems to at shutdown; bond0 goes down, and the root iscsi disk with it. thats bad, obviously. |
| 13:18.27 | liable | infernix: ok, because it sounds crazy when you suggest that you reboot but leave interfaces up. |
| 13:18.39 | infernix | yep thats exactly what i want |
| 13:18.50 | infernix | and its not so crazy with iscsi as a root disk |
| 13:19.08 | wols | DexterF:cause it only will when that "freed" memory is used agan by swapping IN the other programs from swap |
| 13:19.10 | cydork | infernix: you have to use pxeboot for that IIRC |
| 13:19.40 | DexterF | wols: well, shouldn't linux do that as soon as the mem is available? |
| 13:19.43 | DexterF | (which it is) |
| 13:19.50 | abrotman | no |
| 13:20.04 | DexterF | why? how can I force it |
| 13:20.05 | DexterF | ? |
| 13:20.05 | abrotman | why do the work to pull it out if nothing else needs it ? |
| 13:20.08 | abrotman | you can't |
| 13:20.14 | wols | infernix: why not remove the interfaces you don't want touched from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | even windows doesn't dot hat |
| 13:20.24 | wols | don't put them on "auto ethX" |
| 13:20.33 | smacnay | Hi, does anyone here know how to resolve a potential conflict between the Debian libquicktime1 package and Marillat's libquicktime0 package? Just hold off updating for the time being? |
| 13:20.38 | DexterF | hmm. |
| 13:20.44 | liable | i dont get it |
| 13:20.56 | wols | DexterF: why do you need the swap immediately reclaimed? what for? |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | smacnay: don't use unofficial sources? :) |
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| 13:21.15 | DexterF | wols: sys perf got sluggish. suspected due to swapping. |
| 13:21.21 | RichiH | in mediawiki1.10 installed in current debian testing, in /usr/share/mediawiki1.10/includes/WebStart.php on line 86, i have require_once( './LocalSettings.php' ); which does, of course, fail. require_once( '/etc/mediawiki1.10/LocalSettings.php' ); works like expected. can someone tell me if that is intended behaviour and me missing something or a bug in mediawiki/the debian package it comes in? |
| 13:21.51 | wols | DexterF: it will be sluggish intil the memory is read back from swap one way or the other |
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| 13:22.16 | wols | RichiH: probably the debian package |
| 13:22.20 | wsdo_okadr | how do I forward sound from a machine to another ? |
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| 13:22.30 | wols | debian has this rule of all configs in /etc |
| 13:22.33 | infernix | cydork: i am using it. |
| 13:22.39 | wols | source packages from upstream rarely do |
| 13:22.42 | infernix | wols: i did that, that doesn't seem to be enough |
| 13:22.54 | smacnay | abrotman: yes, I could do that but the ease of installing pre-built mplayer, mencoder, ffmpeg, etc. is too enticing. Thanks - I will try my luck. |
| 13:22.58 | wsdo_okadr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.59 | wols | wsdo_okadr: NAS or such |
| 13:23.07 | wsdo_okadr | how can I forward sound too ? |
| 13:23.07 | abrotman | smacnay: /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 13:23.12 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:23.14 | wsdo_okadr | wols: where do I read about tha ? |
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| 13:23.39 | wols | apt-cache show nas |
| 13:23.42 | Crystal | hi, somebody can help me? |
| 13:23.47 | DexterF | wols: that's why I want to swap all back to phys mem |
| 13:23.52 | wols | !tell Crystal about ask |
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| 13:24.01 | abrotman | DexterF: just leave it be.... it's perfectly fine |
| 13:24.07 | wsdo_okadr | wols: do I need to read something to know how to do this ? |
| 13:24.09 | x_link | Crystal: Just ask your question, don't ask to ask. =) |
| 13:24.11 | wols | DexterF: easy. use the apps that are swapped out and you will |
| 13:24.27 | abrotman | DexterF: people far smarter than you have derived the algorithm to do that memory management and not grind your machine to a halt |
| 13:24.41 | RichiH | wols: mediawiki itself tells me to copy it there |
| 13:24.42 | DexterF | abrotman: don't insult me. |
| 13:24.51 | RichiH | wols: of course, that might be a debian change |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | DexterF: don't insult the kernel developers |
| 13:25.01 | DexterF | abrotman: i didn't. |
| 13:25.04 | smacnay | abrotman: ah, seems the issue has been noted (conflict) at debian-multimedia.org. |
| 13:25.12 | abrotman | you're implying you know what is best |
| 13:25.14 | infernix | oh wait. looks like open-iscsi itself is killing the root device. mmmbaaaad. |
| 13:25.19 | abrotman | smacnay: probably .. |
| 13:25.34 | abrotman | DexterF: the same thing will happen repeatedly .. |
| 13:25.39 | wols | DexterF: in regard to the swapping algorithm, kernel devs are a lot smarter than you or me, or probably any in this channel right now |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | DexterF: can you paste the output of 'free' ? |
| 13:25.43 | wols | he wasn't insulting you |
| 13:25.53 | Crystal | x_link ok, sorry, i've a problem with debian installation, etch, after boot it say "hda: lost interrupt".. i've tried to install the debian testing, but it jams to the 56°packet |
| 13:25.53 | abrotman | wols: they're not smarter than me! |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:26.05 | wols | ...says the fool |
| 13:26.15 | RichiH | i am smarter than anyone in this channel |
| 13:26.22 | DexterF | abrotman: you're implying I was stupid. I don't care if it's Attitude Day wherever you are. |
| 13:26.24 | abrotman | RichiH: we're all cats! |
| 13:26.25 | smacnay | abrotman: I will just hold where I am and let the maintainers figure this out - nothing is broken here yet - at least nothing important. |
| 13:26.28 | wols | RichiH: way to go setting the bar so low |
| 13:26.32 | abrotman | DexterF: i was not saying you're stupid .. |
| 13:26.42 | DexterF | [15:24] <abrotman> DexterF: people far smarter than you |
| 13:26.45 | RichiH | wols: up is relative if you live on a wheel |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | DexterF: regardless .. paste the output of 'free' so we can look at it |
| 13:26.52 | RichiH | turning wheel, that is |
| 13:26.56 | abrotman | DexterF: that just says they're smarter than you .. not that you're stupid |
| 13:27.30 | Crystal | wols i've a problem with debian installation, etch, after boot it say "hda: lost interrupt".. i've tried to install the debian testing, but it jams to the 56°packet.. what i need do..? |
| 13:27.31 | wols | DexterF: also intelligence is fairly localized thing. some people are great musically, others are great in algebra, others great in poetry etc |
| 13:27.49 | abrotman | DexterF: when you look at the output of 'free' .. is there a large number in the buffers/cache section ? |
| 13:27.59 | DexterF | 607 cached |
| 13:28.05 | abrotman | 607K M? |
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| 13:28.19 | infernix | aha. open-iscsi package is unaware of iscsi disks mounted as /, so it simply disconnects all at reboot with disregard to the iscsi root device. |
| 13:28.19 | DexterF | M |
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| 13:28.27 | DexterF | I don't deal in K |
| 13:28.40 | abrotman | whatever .. anyways |
| 13:28.51 | defrysk | hehe |
| 13:28.53 | abrotman | all that buffer/cache is available to be used |
| 13:28.56 | abrotman | !free |
| 13:28.57 | dpkg | free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 13:29.19 | defrysk | DexterF, unused ram is wasted ram |
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| 13:29.31 | abrotman | defrysk: his concern is stale pages in swap |
| 13:29.34 | Crystal | ... |
| 13:29.40 | x_link | Crystal: Okej, sorry, I don't think I can help. |
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| 13:29.58 | Crystal | x_link ok :( |
| 13:30.16 | DexterF | defrysk: yes, but 600megs of cached stuff noone is using... that's kinda odd. each time I access an app sitting in swap I have to wait for the disk to shove it back into RAM |
| 13:30.25 | DexterF | that's a tad odd to me |
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| 13:30.43 | abrotman | DexterF: you'd have to wait for that anyways |
| 13:31.09 | DexterF | I'd like that rather to happen in the background when I'm not accessing swapped stuff so it doesn't appear to me. |
| 13:31.12 | abrotman | DexterF: if the page were stale in RAM .. it'd be the same thing .. it'd have to get the data from RAM .. if you want your data always in RAM .. use a RAM drive |
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| 13:31.36 | abrotman | DexterF: or you could ask ##kernel |
| 13:31.40 | AndroidData | --with-suexec-docroot=/ -- safe or unsafe? |
| 13:31.43 | AndroidData | if unsafe, why? |
| 13:31.52 | AndroidData | if unsafe, how to make safe? |
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| 13:32.25 | wols | unsafe cause you potentially open the whole disk to the web at least for read access at least |
| 13:32.43 | wols | make safe: --with-suexec-docroot=/var/www |
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| 13:32.58 | wols | well. safer, not safe. anything with php is unsafe :P |
| 13:33.06 | AndroidData | wols: problem: I need to set the docroot to allow for both /var/www *and* /home |
| 13:33.26 | wols | AndroidData:why? there is a apache mod for /home IIR |
| 13:33.28 | wols | IRRC |
| 13:33.29 | DexterF | if I'm not totally wrong linux even did that "back then" on 2.0/2.2 when I lectured on the topic at the uni in CS... well, ##kernel |
| 13:34.07 | Crystal | i've a problem with debian installation, etch, after boot it say "hda: lost interrupt".. i've tried to install the debian testing, but it jams to the 56°packet.. what i need do..? |
| 13:34.21 | AndroidData | wait@ |
| 13:34.24 | AndroidData | I can fix it |
| 13:34.30 | AndroidData | --with-suexec-docroot=/home |
| 13:34.40 | AndroidData | and I'll just put /var/www stuff under a special user in /home :D |
| 13:35.01 | Supaplex | AndroidData: why not just symlink it? |
| 13:35.07 | AndroidData | er.. |
| 13:35.13 | AndroidData | oh. |
| 13:35.18 | AndroidData | <_< |
| 13:35.23 | AndroidData | *slaps on head* |
| 13:35.31 | Crystal | =_= |
| 13:35.52 | AndroidData | lemme guess... it's also unsafe to do --with-suexec-caller=system ("system" user has shell access) |
| 13:36.13 | Supaplex | !nodma |
| 13:36.17 | wols | there is a reason why debian uses www-data :) |
| 13:36.27 | Crystal | ?¿ |
| 13:36.31 | wols | Crystal: what harddisk controller? |
| 13:36.48 | AndroidData | ok. thanks. |
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| 13:36.55 | AndroidData | now it's secure. |
| 13:36.58 | AndroidData | enough |
| 13:36.59 | AndroidData | <_< |
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| 13:44.12 | benluo | hi |
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| 13:46.57 | SpeedyG | hey, in dhcpd.conf, how can I give one host with multiple NIC's also multiple addresses, just adding another hw-address and fixed-address, or do I need to create a complete second item for it? |
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| 13:49.48 | SpeedyG | In other words, Option 1 or Option 2? http://pastebin.ca/700685 |
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| 13:50.38 | Shifty | hi al |
| 13:51.15 | Shifty | where can i setup the programms wich get started during the start of debian? |
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| 13:51.56 | wols | !services |
| 13:51.56 | dpkg | hmm... services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 13:52.09 | SpeedyG | wols: any idea on my question? |
| 13:52.14 | pingouin | how can i know what do that : open /dev/[sound/]dsp: Device or resource busy ? please |
| 13:52.35 | pingouin | when i lauch a game, the sound doesnt work and spit this error |
| 13:52.50 | wols | pingouin: something alread has the device open |
| 13:52.55 | wols | often a soundserver |
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| 13:53.24 | Shifty | ok thx |
| 13:53.51 | wols | SpeedyG: I don't understand your problem. doesn't make much sense for me |
| 13:54.17 | wols | SpeedyG: MAX addresses are not routable for example |
| 13:54.24 | wols | MAC |
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| 13:54.50 | smacnay | Is there a on-line resource for learning how to write bash scripts. |
| 13:54.51 | pingouin | wols: ok, thanks. how can i locate the application/process that open it ? i have nothing running |
| 13:54.52 | SpeedyG | wols: I want to give the box a static IP based on its mac |
| 13:54.57 | pingouin | wols: except irssi |
| 13:55.32 | pingouin | which i strongly doubt it gets the sound open |
| 13:55.55 | SpeedyG | wols: but I want to give a static IP to both NIC's |
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| 13:56.02 | SpeedyG | *NICs |
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| 13:56.29 | wols | SpeedyG: are both directly connected to the dhcp server? |
| 13:56.34 | SpeedyG | yes |
| 13:56.38 | simmerz|work | I've built a patched slapd and installed it. how do I now make sure that apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade doesn't override it when I try and run them? |
| 13:56.45 | SpeedyG | through a switch tho |
| 13:56.48 | amphi | smacnay: google for 'advanced bash scripting guide' |
| 13:56.49 | abrotman | !tell simmerz|work about hold |
| 13:56.55 | peterS | smacnay: you know you could always start with 'man bash'. it is quite a thorough manpage, actually |
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| 13:57.10 | wols | SpeedyG: if they arem, why do you need two of em? |
| 13:57.12 | smacnay | amphi: thanks |
| 13:57.14 | msingh | how do i install psaux |
| 13:57.32 | wols | msingh: install it? what do you mean? |
| 13:57.36 | peterS | msingh: psaux is a kernel device, not a package, and it is also obsolete, you want /dev/input/mice now |
| 13:57.52 | msingh | wols, its not bloody installed |
| 13:57.55 | simmerz|work | abrotman: thanks! |
| 13:57.58 | wols | you plug the mouse in and there is /dev/psaux (or /dev/input7mice) |
| 13:58.12 | msingh | msingh@jagga:~$ psaux |
| 13:58.13 | msingh | bash: psaux: command not found |
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| 13:58.20 | SpeedyG | wols: it's a dual-nic box, I'd just like to have the option of having them both connected, but I want the dhcpd to know which IP to give to which interface |
| 13:58.21 | peterS | msingh: it is not a package |
| 13:58.29 | wols | msingh: every debian kernel has it compiled and you don't run without a kernel, do you? |
| 13:58.31 | peterS | msingh: and it is not a program. what are you expecting it to do, anyway? |
| 13:58.40 | abrotman | simmerz|work: be aware you'll hve to do your own security patches etc |
| 13:58.47 | smacnay | peterS: thanks |
| 13:58.49 | msingh | oh ok |
| 13:58.49 | abrotman | simmerz|work: also .. a dist-upgrade might remove the hold |
| 13:58.54 | wols | SpeedyG: thzat makes no sense. even with 2 NICs you only have one default gw |
| 13:59.29 | pingouin | strange, i can play a video with sound.... |
| 13:59.51 | pingouin | but lauching a game spit me out the sound is buzy…… |
| 13:59.55 | wols | pingouin: your videoplayer might use alsa |
| 14:00.04 | wols | while your game or whatever uses OSS |
| 14:00.13 | pingouin | hmm ok |
| 14:00.19 | wols | lots of shitty proprietary software uses OSS only |
| 14:00.26 | wols | games for example |
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| 14:00.55 | abrotman | flash used to be OSS only |
| 14:01.06 | simmerz|work | abrotman: yeah I know. this is slapd that has been patched with a blowfish crypt patch and I'm running a replication server |
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| 14:01.25 | SpeedyG | wols: it's not the question if it makes sense, it's just the question if it can be done, and if so, how ? |
| 14:01.32 | pingouin | i try a reboot |
| 14:02.24 | wols | SpeedyG: don't know it dhcpd is routable, doubt it |
| 14:02.28 | wols | *if |
| 14:02.46 | abrotman | simmerz|work: must be some heavy duty stuff in there! |
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| 14:03.01 | peterS | dhcp can be relayed manually by running a dhcp relay server on each router |
| 14:03.16 | peterS | but I can't quite imagine when this is actually worth doing |
| 14:03.32 | wols | peterS: he'd need a dhcpd relay on his debian box probably |
| 14:03.33 | peterS | (compared to just running a separate dhcpd on each segment, serving that segment's IPs) |
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| 14:03.44 | simmerz|work | abrotman: its a pain in the butt to be honest, but one of our clients has patched their ldaps server, so to replicate, I need to provide the same. grrr |
| 14:03.51 | liable | why nor just set static anyway? |
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| 14:04.08 | liable | stupid fingers |
| 14:04.24 | simmerz|work | why they've bothered when the crypt in openldap is perfectly fine, and given that the patch they've used is public domain too and therefore entirely visible I don't know |
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| 14:04.40 | axscode | whats the kldload in debian? |
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| 14:05.49 | Bluechip | Hi, I have a debian install CD and I wish to add a few packages to the repo ...I've worked out how to add the packages - but can't find a good page on how to create a =bootable= (Debian install) CD ...are there any good pages I can read? |
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| 14:07.45 | wols | !custom cd |
| 14:07.45 | dpkg | it has been said that custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 14:08.14 | Bluechip | thx |
| 14:08.30 | liable | kthxbye |
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| 14:10.08 | harpal | I have installed debian 4.0 etch but it seems that it works very slow as compare to sarge 3.1 why? |
| 14:10.35 | jelly-home | harpal: sounds to me it's basically the usual "two isps" configuration, see the lartc link above ... not that I haven't tested this, I only have the page bookmarked if I get to need it ;-) |
| 14:11.08 | jelly-home | harpal: (that's Re: load balancing of course) |
| 14:11.22 | jelly-home | s/not/note/ |
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| 14:11.59 | harpal | jelly-home: thanx a lot, I will test that |
| 14:12.10 | wols | harpal: etch using too much memory for your machine? etch not activating busmaster dma? |
| 14:12.28 | liable | did xorg 7.3 just make it to sid? |
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| 14:13.56 | shingouz | this is interesting: after a quite normal upgrade without any barfs from apt-listbug my laptop does not want to "see" aything hotpluggable. hotplug notices inserted devices for usb and pcmcia, even inserts modules for them but ifconfig -a does not see the nic and the same goes for all other hotpluggable thingies. they simply do not work. what the hell should i look for? |
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| 14:14.15 | liable | err, 1.4 |
| 14:14.45 | SpeedyG | wols: routable? I think you've misunderstood me :) |
| 14:14.47 | harpal | wols: I have 1GB ram and I have around seven hundred plus Mb RAM is free. but still it works slow? |
| 14:14.54 | GB__ | Hi I installed debian kernel 2.6 how do I start the graphical interface? |
| 14:15.15 | Bluechip | shingouz: tail -f /var/log/syslog ...and watch what happnes when you plug/unplug |
| 14:15.23 | SpeedyG | i've got it like this: Box1[running dhcpd] --- (switch) --- Box2[connected with eth0 and eth1] |
| 14:15.24 | shingouz | Bluechip: ok, lets see |
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| 14:15.44 | liable | shingouz: i have had a few things fail when acpi was disabled |
| 14:15.46 | SpeedyG | and then I want to give eth0 and eth1 on box2 a static IP assigned by dhcp |
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| 14:16.07 | GB__ | should I install something with apt get? |
| 14:16.23 | Ronin | GB__: have you installed x yet? |
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| 14:16.35 | GB__ | Ronin: no |
| 14:16.42 | GB__ | what should I key in? |
| 14:16.43 | shingouz | Bluechip: it only sees the pcmcia plugged into slot 1, no modules installed. did not try usb yet |
| 14:16.57 | wols | GB__: x-window-system |
| 14:17.00 | GB__ | apt-get install x? |
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| 14:17.08 | wols | GB__: plus the desktopenvironment you want |
| 14:17.30 | Bluechip | shingouz: I know usb msgs well enough to read them, but never had cause to meet pcmcia msgs, but MAY be able to read them |
| 14:18.09 | shingouz | Bluechip: looks like the damn thing does not want to insert the modules |
| 14:18.15 | shingouz | lets see with a modprobe.. |
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| 14:20.03 | GB__ | apt-get install x-window-system ... right? |
| 14:20.12 | wols | yes |
| 14:20.18 | shingouz | liable: no acpi on this one, the tp600 is too old for that |
| 14:20.22 | GB__ | k, thanks |
| 14:20.27 | pingouin | after a reboot , no more troubles with this sound error.... |
| 14:20.30 | pingouin | strange .... |
| 14:20.35 | wols | GB__:plus a desktop environment or at least window manager of your choice |
| 14:20.52 | GB__ | ok, let'' s say KDE |
| 14:20.52 | pingouin | i still dont know what was running on, to avoid the sound working with this application |
| 14:20.54 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a way to get the programms that are using disk i/o most? |
| 14:21.05 | GB__ | what do I need to key in in apt get? |
| 14:21.17 | wols | !tell GB__ about install kde |
| 14:21.23 | shingouz | Bluechip: after a manual modprobe the modules are in the kernel for the 3c589 nic but ifconfig -a is still empty except for loopback |
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| 14:22.22 | xerophte5 | does anybody know why do we get this error ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 14:22.30 | wols | shingouz: dmesg? |
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| 14:22.51 | nomatter | hi |
| 14:23.05 | wols | xerophte5: the other place doesn't like your client, IP, face, religion, taste in women, etc |
| 14:23.07 | shingouz | wols: lemmecheck |
| 14:23.08 | GB__ | think kdebase sounds good to me |
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| 14:23.19 | nomatter | has anybody an idea why wpa_supplicant gives me the following error when i start it for connecting a peap network |
| 14:23.27 | wols | shingouz: if it's pcmcia, does lspcmcia see it? |
| 14:23.28 | nomatter | ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_HOSTAPD]: Operation not supported |
| 14:23.29 | nomatter | Failed to set encryption. |
| 14:23.43 | nomatter | it ruled with the same config before i installed debian new |
| 14:23.54 | shingouz | wols: dmesg reports only insertions and removals for the events, checking the lspcmcia |
| 14:24.42 | shingouz | wols: lspcmcia reports state:on/ready:no for both slots |
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| 14:24.47 | wols | ausually a NIC driver reports itself as new eth* device in dmesg |
| 14:24.58 | wols | also it tells you if it has a link |
| 14:25.26 | wols | shingouz: fix that first. need to be fixed if you want your pcmcia card recognized |
| 14:25.32 | shingouz | wols: true and this thingie worked perfectly up to the last boot... |
| 14:25.46 | wols | kernel oops? new kernel? |
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| 14:26.18 | shingouz | wols: nope, still same kernel i have been running for a few months now |
| 14:26.34 | wols | anything pcmcia related in your logs? |
| 14:26.44 | wols | kernel should tell you about pcmcia controllers |
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| 14:26.52 | shingouz | 2.6.17 custom to be exact. i need some orinoco patches to be able to work on this one. nothing pcmcia related in logs wols |
| 14:27.13 | shingouz | wols: well.. that yes. yenta-socket installed |
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| 14:28.53 | GB__ | x-window-system is installed now |
| 14:29.19 | harpal | GB__: give command apt-get install gnome and gdm |
| 14:29.29 | harpal | GB__: give command apt-get install gnome gdm |
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| 14:29.59 | GB__ | gnome? I would like to install kde... |
| 14:30.19 | defrysk | apt-get install kde kdm |
| 14:30.20 | harpal | than give apt-get install kde kdm |
| 14:30.36 | GB__ | ok thanks |
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| 14:32.50 | ktne | hello |
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| 14:32.57 | ktne | how can i uninstall a package and all dependencies? |
| 14:32.59 | smhar | hello freinds |
| 14:33.27 | ktne | hi smhar |
| 14:33.32 | xerophte5 | i am trying to setup debian xen host with 2 domU i have 2 vlan to be used for the domU domU1 x.x.41.100 domU2 x.x.71.100 .. i have setup the 2 vlan and bridge .. but my host ip also x.x.71.110 how can i configure the host ip address? |
| 14:34.00 | xerophte5 | can i able to create ip-aliases with vlan interface |
| 14:34.01 | xerophte5 | ? |
| 14:34.24 | smhar | I am running a small home network of 3 computers with a small file server that is P2 233 with 64MB ram. things are running fine.. but since I wan regularly update all the systems, I end up downloading the same files all over again |
| 14:34.25 | defrysk | ktne, use apt-cache show <package> | grep Depends |
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| 14:35.28 | ktne | defrysk: isn't there an automated way to uninstall it |
| 14:35.29 | ktne | ? |
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| 14:36.11 | petemc | ktwilight: if you use aptitide to install it, it can be intelligently removed |
| 14:36.18 | petemc | ktne: ^^^ |
| 14:36.22 | ktne | i have used apt-get install |
| 14:36.23 | ktwilight | ... |
| 14:36.26 | defrysk | ktne, you could install deboophan |
| 14:36.27 | ktwilight | :) |
| 14:36.28 | smhar | I am looking to add a local package cache system in the server. The system I found is Apt-cacher, but it seems that it depends on apache to run. I am not sure my server can handle apache.. any ideas? |
| 14:36.38 | defrysk | deborphan for orphnaged packages |
| 14:36.45 | defrysk | geez my spelling |
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| 14:37.09 | alex^^ | whats the command to add a /etc/init.d to run/start on bootup> |
| 14:37.09 | alex^^ | ? |
| 14:38.44 | GB__ | and how do I start the graphical interface now? |
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| 14:40.01 | p-a-v | GB__: launch kdm/gdm/xdm |
| 14:40.47 | asg | alex^^: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 14:40.50 | jelly-home | what do I have to install to build i386 kernel on an amd64 installation? |
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| 14:41.14 | zamuro | jelly-home: ia32 and linux32 |
| 14:41.20 | asg | smhar: use apt-proxy |
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| 14:41.57 | alex^^ | asg, ta |
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| 14:42.21 | GB__ | hmmm.... launc kdm...command not found??? |
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| 14:42.35 | GB__ | hmmm.... launch kdm...command not found??? |
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| 14:42.43 | Ronin | assuming of course GB__ you installed kdm |
| 14:42.45 | zamuro | GB__: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 14:42.50 | jelly-home | zamuro: hm. I am running make-kpkg under linux32 wrapper, but still it thinks I want to build for amd64. |
| 14:42.51 | smhar | asg, I will google that.. thanks |
| 14:43.17 | asg | smhar: just apt-cache show apt-proxy. The README.Debian file covers the config and install. |
| 14:43.19 | zamuro | jelly-home: Did you tried chrooting the directory? |
| 14:43.35 | zamuro | s/tried/try |
| 14:44.02 | smhar | asg, thanks.. I will do that |
| 14:44.10 | jelly-home | zamuro: nope, can it be avoided? |
| 14:44.29 | zamuro | Not in debian <g> |
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| 14:45.03 | jelly-home | zamuro: eh, I'll just mount the i386 root then. :-| |
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| 14:45.29 | GB__ | hmmm... launch kdm.... command not found... |
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| 14:46.02 | Farhadix | how I can enable writing on ntfs drives? |
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| 14:47.12 | GB__ | although: starting K display manager: kdm already is running.... |
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| 14:49.36 | asg | Farhadix: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 14:49.54 | LoRez | is there a daemon that will kill login sessions if they're over a certain amount idle? |
| 14:50.20 | asg | LoRez: if there isn't, a cron job should do the trick |
| 14:50.29 | troubled | login defs LoRez perhaps |
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| 14:51.37 | jelly-home | zamuro: I wonder why there is no cross-compiler for i386 on amd64. |
| 14:52.19 | troubled | LoRez: hmmm, i recall there was something out there that did it, dont see anything in login.defs though |
| 14:52.32 | LoRez | troubled: yeah, I don't either. |
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| 14:53.01 | LoRez | autolog apparently? |
| 14:53.14 | smhar | asg ++ |
| 14:53.18 | blowfish | how to ake |
| 14:53.27 | blowfish | mijn own debian version |
| 14:53.35 | vin` | !asg++ |
| 14:53.38 | blowfish | with packages etc. |
| 14:53.39 | LoRez | now, here's hoping it won't nuke screen sessions :) |
| 14:53.42 | vin` | !karma asg |
| 14:53.42 | dpkg | asg has karma of 14 |
| 14:53.43 | smhar | every channel should have a karma bot :-) |
| 14:53.48 | troubled | :) |
| 14:54.14 | vin` | asg: dang, passed 13. :) |
| 14:54.20 | blowfish | hellow |
| 14:54.31 | smhar | !karma |
| 14:54.31 | dpkg | smhar has neutral karma |
| 14:54.33 | blowfish | how tomade a debian version |
| 14:54.58 | smhar | !asg++ |
| 14:55.00 | Ronin | blowfish: debian version or what? |
| 14:55.04 | p-a-v | LoRez: autologout it seems for C shell |
| 14:55.04 | Ronin | of what i mean |
| 14:55.06 | GB__ | still no graphical interface go :-( |
| 14:55.07 | smhar | !karma asg |
| 14:55.07 | dpkg | asg has karma of 15 |
| 14:55.13 | Ronin | GB__: errors? messages? |
| 14:55.17 | asg | smhar: :) |
| 14:55.24 | LoRez | p-a-v: the sessions won't be left at a shell prompt |
| 14:55.36 | smhar | asb002, you deserve it :-) |
| 14:55.42 | smhar | oops |
| 14:55.50 | troubled | vin`! |
| 14:55.50 | asg | vin`: thanks for the freebie :) |
| 14:55.51 | GB__ | kdewebdev unmet dependencies |
| 14:55.53 | smhar | asg ,you deserve it :-) |
| 14:55.57 | GB__ | broken packages |
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| 14:56.07 | monstar-1 | can someone tell me whats the name in Italy for greencard? Thanks a lot |
| 14:56.13 | streuner | LoRez: x (screensaver)? |
| 14:56.36 | LoRez | streuner: over ssh |
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| 14:57.57 | xerophte5 | how can i have ip aliases with vlan interface ? |
| 14:59.12 | p-a-v | LoRez: http://world.std.com/~gjrsoft/linux/linux_csh_003.html |
| 15:00.04 | LoRez | p-a-v: like I said, they won't be left at a shell prompt. in fact, their shell is a python program, so I seriously doubt that would help :) |
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| 15:04.42 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know for a driver for linux for the Genius EasyPainter? |
| 15:04.53 | HardDisk_WP | it's ages old and plugged via COM |
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| 15:05.59 | GB__ | still no kde go... |
| 15:06.50 | GB__ | you are using the unstable distibution that some requiered packages have not yet bean created or been moved out of incoming |
| 15:07.05 | GB__ | kdewebdev has unmet dependencies |
| 15:08.14 | Ronin | GB__: i have to ask why are you running what appears to be sid? |
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| 15:09.20 | GB__ | no go, I stop with this trouble stuff |
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| 15:09.35 | GB__ | all too complicated |
| 15:09.40 | GB__ | doesnt work at all |
| 15:09.58 | Ronin | funny, works just fine for all kinds of people on all kinds of machines |
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| 15:11.50 | Canadian | hello |
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| 15:14.49 | abrotman | okay .. who let the Canadian in ... |
| 15:15.00 | Canadian | :) |
| 15:15.08 | defrysk | eh? |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | next .. they'll be sheep everywhere! |
| 15:15.32 | Ronin | hey now |
| 15:15.38 | troubled | baaah |
| 15:15.46 | shingouz | Bluechip: liable wols: the problem was in the hotplug scripts. i finally went to udev... :) |
| 15:15.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: nothing wrong with sheep, eh |
| 15:16.24 | Canadian | I'm having trouble with a fresh install |
| 15:16.25 | wols | 7!blame udev |
| 15:16.32 | troubled | shingouz: udev is a barrel of monkeys for sure |
| 15:16.44 | wols | shingouz: if in doubt, blame udev from now on. never hits the wrong culprit :) |
| 15:17.02 | wols | Canadian: you have trouble explaining too it seems |
| 15:17.30 | shingouz | troubled and wols that is why i have been sitting here with hotplug. i would like to use something else than udev if there is something |
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| 15:17.52 | Canadian | i'm installing debian and i get to the boot loader step and neither grub or lilo will install. |
| 15:18.16 | wols | Canadian: error messaes are a wonderful thing |
| 15:18.49 | Bluechip | Canadian: do you mean "it does not run" or "it is not installed"? |
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| 15:19.06 | Canadian | lilo "error code 1" |
| 15:19.16 | Canadian | when i try to install the boot loader. |
| 15:19.28 | Canadian | grub fails as well but without an error code. |
| 15:19.48 | Bluechip | does grub simply say "GRUB" and stop? |
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| 15:19.59 | Canadian | nope. |
| 15:20.20 | Canadian | durring the install it fails. |
| 15:20.31 | defrysk | as in crashing ? |
| 15:20.47 | troubled | Canadian: there is an original nick :) |
| 15:20.51 | Bluechip | some BIOSes have an option to disable writing to the boot sector to prevent viral infections - maybe? |
| 15:21.09 | abrotman | Bluechip: some of them complain when the boot sectoer changes .. yes |
| 15:21.20 | Canadian | i considered the boot sector switch, but couldnt find anything in the bios settings. |
| 15:21.36 | Bluechip | try dumping and rewriting the mbr with dd |
| 15:21.47 | defrysk | using reiser4 on /boot ? |
| 15:21.56 | Bluechip | dd if=/dev/hda of=filename bs=512 count=1 |
| 15:22.03 | Canadian | ext2 on /boot and reiser on everything else. |
| 15:22.04 | Bluechip | swap if and of to write it back |
| 15:22.25 | Canadian | k i'll give it a go. tonight. |
| 15:23.03 | Bluechip | double check hda is your boot drive (not sda, or otherwise) and also remember NOT to add a "1" to it (ie /dev/hda1 is WRONG) |
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| 15:23.30 | Canadian | the boot sector is not a partition. |
| 15:23.36 | Canadian | i know. |
| 15:23.37 | Bluechip | correct |
| 15:23.46 | Bluechip | cool |
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| 15:24.37 | viller | my router was restarted, how can I restart my internet connection? I tried sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart but it didn't work |
| 15:24.41 | Canadian | thanks |
| 15:24.52 | Bluechip | np |
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| 15:25.49 | abrotman | viller: that should do it |
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| 15:27.29 | Shifty | how can i start inadyn at startup? |
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| 15:27.44 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 15:27.45 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
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| 15:29.16 | Shifty | ok abrotman ... i dont understand :/ |
| 15:29.28 | astate | is there an apt-get command that will let me see the currently installed version of a package? |
| 15:29.32 | pickcoder | Shifty: create an init.d script, if there isn't one already |
| 15:29.38 | pickcoder | or Google it |
| 15:30.15 | abrotman | astate: apt-cache show |
| 15:30.37 | astate | thanks |
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| 15:30.59 | pickcoder | once you have an init script and verify that it works correctly, you can use a bunch of tools to add it to the startup list |
| 15:31.15 | Bluechip | rcconf |
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| 15:31.21 | pickcoder | my fav for rearranging scripts is svsv-rc-conf |
| 15:31.24 | pickcoder | sysv-rc-conf |
| 15:31.31 | pickcoder | update-rc.d is already on your system |
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| 15:33.02 | pickcoder | abrotman: I get a vacation this week. the family went to the in-laws so the lady can get some help and rest. |
| 15:33.15 | dino4k | someone a good program to *read* mbox files? (not vi, something that displays encoding right and hide all the html in html mails :) |
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| 15:33.37 | pickcoder | dino4k: I use mutt |
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| 15:33.47 | pickcoder | pine works well too |
| 15:34.00 | dino4k | never heard of pine |
| 15:34.08 | pickcoder | !pine |
| 15:34.08 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 15:34.45 | pickcoder | hrm.. didn't know that |
| 15:34.47 | dino4k | uh |
| 15:34.54 | dino4k | so i will go with mutt :) |
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| 15:35.12 | Shifty | i dont understand how to create a init.d script! |
| 15:35.24 | cloakable | hahaha |
| 15:35.29 | dino4k | Shifty: copy an existing one and edit it ;) |
| 15:35.29 | wols | Shifty: why would you want to? |
| 15:35.33 | wols | what are you trying to run? |
| 15:35.40 | pickcoder | Shifty: copy one from /etc/init.d/skeleton and edit it |
| 15:35.53 | Shifty | inadyn |
| 15:36.05 | Shifty | for dyndns |
| 15:36.06 | wols | Shifty: only if you want to start a daemon which you probably don't |
| 15:36.27 | wols | Shifty: how do you connect to the interweb? |
| 15:36.36 | Shifty | lan |
| 15:36.38 | wols | are you using pppd? |
| 15:36.46 | Shifty | whats ppd? |
| 15:36.49 | Shifty | pppd? |
| 15:36.51 | wols | pppd |
| 15:36.53 | wols | !ppp |
| 15:36.53 | dpkg | somebody said ppp was even if you don't read that, just MAKE SURE you have ppp_async compiled into your kernelas a module or you're not dialing anywhere bub, or look at http://www.linux.net.nz/pppconfig/details.php?authtype=pap |
| 15:37.05 | pickcoder | that's helpful |
| 15:37.09 | pickcoder | heh |
| 15:37.12 | wols | doh. point to point protocl. often used with DSL |
| 15:37.26 | wols | Shifty: use rc.local |
| 15:37.30 | wols | !tell Shifty about rc.local |
| 15:37.30 | pickcoder | PPPoE is normally used with DSL |
| 15:37.32 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 15:37.45 | wols | pickcoder: and what program ise used then? |
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| 15:37.56 | wols | with pppoe that is |
| 15:38.05 | pickcoder | route add default gw 192.168.1.254 |
| 15:38.07 | pickcoder | heh |
| 15:38.12 | pickcoder | the router handles it |
| 15:38.15 | pickcoder | erm.. modem |
| 15:38.23 | wols | pickcoder: you are wrong |
| 15:38.39 | wols | with a modem you need a pppd and a pppoe (either roaring penguin or the kernel pppoe) |
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| 15:38.47 | pickcoder | I use DHCP |
| 15:38.48 | wols | I have DSL and debian was my router for years |
| 15:38.59 | Shifty | so what do i have to add into the rc.local that inadyn starts? |
| 15:39.07 | wols | Shifty: inadyn |
| 15:39.19 | Shifty | ok |
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| 15:40.53 | pickcoder | wols: how did you manage to get the DSL feed off the copper pair? |
| 15:41.00 | pickcoder | b/c a nic doesn't help there <g> |
| 15:41.31 | troubled | pickcoder: how else do you get dsl? :) |
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| 15:41.58 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all |
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| 15:42.16 | wfq | hi |
| 15:42.18 | CrAzYWolF | sup all |
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| 15:42.32 | tdonahue-laptop | i just made a little mistake on my dev box.... i just did rm -rf * in / instead of the directory i was trying to clear |
| 15:42.41 | troubled | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:42.58 | tdonahue-laptop | is there any way for me to tell dpkg to reinstall all the packages that were installed? |
| 15:43.07 | anandanbu | Is there anyway to obtain or restore the partition table after deleting it |
| 15:43.21 | beardy | !testdisk |
| 15:43.21 | dpkg | testdisk is probably an alternative to gpart. Try gpart first. http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html, or see also gpart, or or if that url doesn't work: http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?testdisk.html Partition scanner and disk recovery tool TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks. It is very useful in recovering lost partitions. |
| 15:43.41 | wfq | I have got a technical question. In a rsyinc process between two servers, How much cpu do you think it is needed in comparation with hard disk and network traffic? |
| 15:43.50 | anandanbu | beardy: was it for me |
| 15:43.56 | wols | pickcoder: with a splitter. |
| 15:44.01 | beardy | anandanbu: What do you think? |
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| 15:44.04 | pickcoder | troubled: you have to have some kind of modem... I guess some modems have the capability of passing the PPPoE to a client PC |
| 15:44.05 | beardy | anandanbu: Yes. |
| 15:44.09 | dino4k | tdonahue-laptop: there is a way you can export a list of installed packages and then get dpkg to reinstall them... but i'm not sure how you can get the list :) |
| 15:44.24 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 15:44.24 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 15:44.25 | CrAzYWolF | im trying to install vmware i run the file and its saying i dont have gcc, so i did a apt-cache search gcc and a list of files came up when i tried to install those files ti said i have alredy the latest version |
| 15:44.26 | tdonahue-laptop | dino4k, dpkg still works |
| 15:44.34 | wols | pickcoder: Modems use passthorugh which means it doesn't do any PPPoE. only routers do that if you config them to usually |
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| 15:44.43 | troubled | pickcoder: yes, its a modem plugged into standard rj11 phone jack with a special filter |
| 15:44.45 | pickcoder | mine doesn't allow that, AFAIK. I have to use passthrough per IP, which assigns DHCP for it |
| 15:44.47 | anandanbu | beardy: thanks for the info |
| 15:45.02 | pickcoder | it doesn't let me log in/out at will |
| 15:45.05 | wols | with a DSL modem (if you acn still buy one) you need a PPPD and rp-pppoe or kernel pppoe |
| 15:45.24 | pickcoder | h |
| 15:45.25 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 15:45.28 | beardy | anandanbu: You're welcome. |
| 15:45.36 | dino4k | tdonahue-laptop: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections are there, but i just noticed its not what you're looking for |
| 15:45.41 | wols | at least if your ISP uses PPPoE |
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| 15:46.17 | CrAzYWolF | so any idea what could be the problem |
| 15:46.29 | troubled | pickcoder: basically i do a dhcp (although i dont have to) to get an ip for the eth then i start the pppoe client and poof, im online |
| 15:46.34 | dino4k | tdonahue-laptop: but you might parse the output of --get-selection and feed it to aptitude reinstall |
| 15:46.39 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 15:46.42 | pickcoder | wols: I know what you mean |
| 15:46.51 | beardy | !reinstall |
| 15:46.51 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 15:46.54 | solar_ant | is it possible to go back from 64 biot version to 32 bit version |
| 15:46.55 | Shifty | ok wols would that work: http://paste.debian.net/37367 ? |
| 15:46.56 | beardy | !reinstall everything |
| 15:46.56 | dpkg | reinstall everything is probably apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` |
| 15:47.05 | pickcoder | troubled: I do the same, but I give my interface a static IP and the router does IP passthrough with the external IP automatically |
| 15:47.15 | wfq | does anyone usr rsync to synchronize their servers? |
| 15:47.20 | troubled | pickcoder: i much prefer static ip on the eth though since dhcp means my isp could hack my network just by makin my dhcp get an ip i dont want my fsckin government or isp to have |
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| 15:47.32 | beardy | wfq: Yes, no, does it matter or help you? |
| 15:47.35 | pickcoder | I guess it links by MAC, after an initial static IP "match up" |
| 15:47.36 | troubled | pickcoder: ya, isp's/police love dhcp and host based auth |
| 15:47.40 | tdonahue-laptop | beardy, thanks |
| 15:47.40 | troubled | morons |
| 15:48.06 | beardy | tdonahue-laptop: No problem. |
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| 15:48.47 | wfq | beardy, did you realize how much cpu the process consumes? |
| 15:49.21 | wols | wfq: you using SSL for the rsync link? |
| 15:49.35 | scruffy | I have a mail spool file on the server that's 1.1 Gb due to an out of control sender. Can anyone suggest a method to delete all mail from that spool file (standard mbox) from that specfic sender only, without downloading all of the email, of course? |
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| 15:49.40 | beardy | wfq: Nope. I don't know how much. Though your CPU is there to be used. |
| 15:49.43 | Shifty | wols: would that work: http://paste.debian.net/37367 to start inadyn on boot? |
| 15:49.45 | pickcoder | I use rsync over SSH |
| 15:50.06 | wols | Shifty: no |
| 15:50.22 | wols | Shifty: /etc/rc.local, NOT /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 15:50.32 | Shifty | ok |
| 15:51.35 | kspath | iptstate is a very nice tool |
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| 15:52.08 | chal | hi |
| 15:52.09 | kspath | iptstate is kinda like a cross between jnettop and netstat and ... |
| 15:52.44 | Shifty | wols: thats right http://paste.debian.net/37368 ... right? |
| 15:52.55 | chal | just wondering with arch to use for a dual boot on a imac intel duo 2 core |
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| 15:53.55 | Fuwex | hey all |
| 15:54.05 | Shifty | hey Fuwex |
| 15:54.50 | Fuwex | I'm about to install a SATA HDD in my Debian server - just wondering, besides physically installing the drive and formatting the partitions, are there any other required steps? I've never installed a harddrive into an already operational Linux system before - thanks :) |
| 15:55.09 | CrAzYWolF | yo any of u guys have wvware in ur debian distro? |
| 15:55.20 | Bluechip | Fuwex: don't forget to mount them |
| 15:55.21 | CrAzYWolF | vmware* |
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| 15:55.30 | wols | Fuwex: edit /etc/fstab and you are done |
| 15:55.32 | Bluechip | Fuwex: fstab |
| 15:55.34 | pickcoder | !vmware |
| 15:55.35 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
| 15:55.36 | wols | !tell CrAzYWolF about vmware |
| 15:55.40 | vin` | CrAzYWolF: what about it? ask in #vmware |
| 15:55.44 | Fuwex | ok, thanks guys :) |
| 15:56.30 | CrAzYWolF | thanksç |
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| 15:58.06 | vin` | tarzeau: bubbles? |
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| 15:58.18 | Fuwex | Is SCSI and SATA the same? |
| 15:58.25 | beardy | No. |
| 15:58.30 | vin` | !fgi |
| 15:58.30 | dpkg | [fgi] http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
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| 15:59.25 | Bluechip | From memory, SATA drives DO show up as dev/sd? |
| 15:59.30 | kspath | Fuwex: short answer : NO |
| 15:59.55 | Bluechip | (or am I thinking about memory sticks?) |
| 16:00.03 | Shifty | if i add that: http://paste.debian.net/37368 to /etc/rc.local should inadyn start after reboot ... right? |
| 16:00.16 | Bluechip | SCSI & SATA are electrically *very* different though |
| 16:00.30 | kspath | !wikipedia |
| 16:00.41 | pickcoder | Fuwex: they look the same in Linux due to a lot of drivers using the SCSI (stuff) |
| 16:00.49 | pickcoder | but they are nothing close to being similar |
| 16:00.59 | Fuwex | ok, cheers, was a little confused, thanks for clearing it up |
| 16:01.43 | Shifty | some 1? |
| 16:02.04 | kspath | Fuwex: search engines and wikipedia will not hurt you. If you already have a good keyworld like SCSI or SATA you can use wikipedia to sometimes get great information |
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| 16:02.36 | pickcoder | Shifty: reboot and find out, that's the only real way to tell |
| 16:02.52 | pickcoder | if it doesn't, keep in mind that absolute paths are golden |
| 16:02.56 | Shifty | but it should right? |
| 16:03.04 | Fuwex | kspath: yeah, I was just confused because I remember my HDD showing up as /dev/sd, and according to this article, SCSI drives show up as /dev/sd |
| 16:03.20 | Shifty | i can check it with ps ax | grep inadynd right? |
| 16:04.15 | pickcoder | yea |
| 16:04.29 | Shifty | i rebooted and there was nothin g:( |
| 16:05.12 | tarzeau | vin`: later? |
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| 16:06.09 | Shifty | how can i find a absolute path of a programm? |
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| 16:06.21 | sts | hello folks |
| 16:06.38 | sts | can anyone tell me where debian/rules is documented in detail? |
| 16:06.48 | solar_ant | is it possible to go back from 64 biot version to 32 bit version |
| 16:07.15 | Ronin | sts: rules for what? |
| 16:08.44 | pickcoder | Shifty: whereis |
| 16:08.45 | pickcoder | or locate |
| 16:08.53 | psycodad | Shifty: whereis |
| 16:08.59 | Shifty | ok thx |
| 16:09.13 | psycodad | or locate i guess |
| 16:09.32 | sts | Ronin: package building |
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| 16:09.49 | sts | Ronin: Iä |
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| 16:11.07 | sts | I'm trying to figure out a system to automatically generate deb files for new customers vhosts. And I need a way to call a script or anything else that will change some package variables before the package is generated. |
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| 16:13.19 | svensk_neutrino | hi |
| 16:13.38 | svensk_neutrino | i wanna list the files installed a deb package |
| 16:13.45 | svensk_neutrino | equivalent of rpm -ql a.rpm |
| 16:14.42 | dino4k | dpkg -L |
| 16:15.08 | dino4k | + packagename ;) |
| 16:15.13 | svensk_neutrino | dino4k:you are superman :) |
| 16:15.32 | dino4k | oh, i can read manpages, thats all :) |
| 16:15.46 | svensk_neutrino | :$ |
| 16:16.14 | svensk_neutrino | before you said that, i would have give you my vote if you ran against GB |
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| 16:16.58 | dino4k | svensk_neutrino: gb? |
| 16:17.00 | pickcoder | dpkg -L | grep package |
| 16:17.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep package |
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| 16:17.05 | pickcoder | is more conclusive |
| 16:17.06 | riot | anyone using psi 0.11-rc2? How do i get ssl to work? qca-tls 0.10-4 doesn't seem to do it. |
| 16:17.18 | pickcoder | in case you happen to miss a version in the package name |
| 16:17.37 | dino4k | pickcoder: ? |
| 16:17.46 | pickcoder | dpkg -L bind |
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| 16:17.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching bind |
| 16:17.50 | pickcoder | what if it's bind9 |
| 16:17.58 | dino4k | pickcoder: nvm |
| 16:18.14 | sts | dpkg -L apache2 |
| 16:18.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching apache2 |
| 16:18.17 | pickcoder | unless you're really familiar with the packages, it's easier to use grep on the full list |
| 16:18.19 | sts | dpkg -L apache2-common |
| 16:18.20 | dpkg | ii apache2-common 3.9-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:18.31 | pickcoder | IMO |
| 16:18.35 | pickcoder | I'll digress |
| 16:18.54 | hark | pickcoder: you mean -l there? |
| 16:19.01 | pickcoder | meh |
| 16:19.20 | svensk_neutrino | how do i know which package type do my install conform to |
| 16:19.23 | svensk_neutrino | is it sid or sth else |
| 16:19.29 | pickcoder | yeah.. lower case "el" |
| 16:20.04 | dino4k | svensk_neutrino: what distri are you using? if unsure check /etc/apt/source.list |
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| 16:20.44 | dino4k | there is stable/etch, testing/lenny and unstable/sid |
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| 16:22.19 | svensk_neutrino | its sid |
| 16:22.34 | svensk_neutrino | now what is etch and lenny |
| 16:22.53 | urv | any idea how to define an alias for a hostname (dynamic IP)? |
| 16:22.59 | Ronin | svensk_neutrino: dino4k told you all ready |
| 16:23.18 | dino4k | as written, etch is the stable distribution of debian.... lenny will be the next stable version. |
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| 16:23.44 | Photon | what happens when we run out of toy story characters? |
| 16:23.47 | chops | urv: You can define an alias for a hostname via /etc/hosts. Updating it when the dynamic IP changes is a little harder. |
| 16:24.15 | svensk_neutrino | ok |
| 16:24.28 | urv | chops: yeah that's my problem - it is dynamic so "hosts" is not that optimal for my needs |
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| 16:25.09 | chops | urv: You could get a dyndns.org address (hope I'm remembering that right) and just use the auto-updating DNS instead of a hostname alias |
| 16:25.36 | chops | urv: Some DNS providers will give you a little shell script that will keep your DNS updated as your IP changes |
| 16:25.54 | Photon | dyndns.org has number of these |
| 16:26.00 | chops | urv: You could also adapt such a script to ssh into the alias-having machine and update /etc/hosts, but that seems a little more bizarre than you want to get into |
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| 16:28.08 | chops | Photon: http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/linux/iirc.html |
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| 16:28.15 | urv | chops: but i just want something like typing "bla" for the hostname "blabla.blibli.com" - hence an alias for the name itself not the IP - or did i got you wrong? |
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| 16:29.58 | chops | urv: Oh, that. Huh. You might be able to set something up with dnsmasq to do a CNAME record. |
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| 16:30.59 | urv | chops: oh great thnx! i guess dnsmasq is more or less what i need! |
| 16:31.11 | chops | urv: np |
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| 16:32.26 | svensk_neutrino | dino4k: you are the man today! now i feel so comfortable playing with the debian package installations |
| 16:32.26 | fasta | When I am logged in as user X then login as user Y via gdm I only see a black screen. When I then go to the console and then switch back (Control-Alt-F8) Gnome works. |
| 16:32.36 | dino4k | svensk_neutrino: good luck ;) |
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| 16:36.13 | ebw | Isn't there a package for a normal firefox 2.0.0.6 somewhere (non-free) or so? |
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| 16:38.46 | dino4k | ebw: at the mozilla page is one i guess.... ;) |
| 16:38.51 | dino4k | but dont use it |
| 16:39.08 | dino4k | just use iceweasel, its just the same... |
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| 16:40.46 | ebw | dino4k: Sadly no. Iceweasel has problems with ligatures, which are really annoying. |
| 16:41.05 | ebw | dino4k: Should be a "grave" and not a "minor" bug. |
| 16:41.05 | Ronin | actually currently iceweasel is ebw, just has a different logo |
| 16:41.21 | defrysk | afaIk iceweasel is the same as firefox |
| 16:41.25 | Ronin | defrysk: it is |
| 16:41.31 | defrysk | yes |
| 16:41.43 | defrysk | its something with leagal issues |
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| 16:41.47 | defrysk | legal |
| 16:41.50 | Ronin | !iceweasel |
| 16:41.50 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 16:41.54 | dino4k | there is a version of iceweasel out there that is not but IIRC its not yet in debian... |
| 16:42.17 | dino4k | yeah :) i mean the gnu one ;) |
| 16:42.42 | dino4k | the gnu version has actual source changes on ff |
| 16:42.56 | ebw | That can't be true. In iceweasel 2.0.0.6 (as about says) I have problems with ligatures when I select font "serif", In firefox 2.0.0.6 (installed locally from that tar.gz) I _don't_ have those problems when I select font "serif". The font looks the same. |
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| 16:43.10 | smhar | I need a little help with apt-proxy.. I installed it but I am getting a 401 error |
| 16:43.36 | dino4k | ebw: i guess its a external lib, that is staticly compiled in the tar.gz version |
| 16:43.37 | Ronin | afraid it is true at this time ebw |
| 16:43.59 | ebw | Ronin: What? I don't understand you. |
| 16:44.07 | binfalse | investigating |
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| 16:44.19 | ebw | By the way I'm on testing. |
| 16:44.50 | Ronin | it is true that iceweasel currently is firefox |
| 16:45.26 | ebw | So maybe dino is right. |
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| 16:45.52 | dino4k | ebw: its the only thing i can *imagine* that could cause this, but i dont *know* ;) |
| 16:46.16 | stew | debian makes changes to firefox wrt font handling |
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| 16:47.08 | stew | defrysk: its not |
| 16:47.18 | dino4k | stew: do you know more :) tell us :) |
| 16:47.22 | defrysk | I guess not no |
| 16:47.24 | stew | dino4k: i'm looking at the diff |
| 16:47.30 | troubled | something to do with it being a modified copy (think debian patches) |
| 16:47.31 | dino4k | a good idea ;) |
| 16:47.34 | stew | dino4k: which you can download from http://pacakges.debian.org/iceweasel |
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| 16:49.03 | stew | defrysk: debian also makes bugfixes which is part of the reason that it needs to be renamed |
| 16:49.13 | Fuwex | When partioning, and I want to create one large partition which will only hold data (no OS's or anything), do I partition it as extended? (I guess I'm not to partition it as primary?) |
| 16:49.53 | dino4k | stew: yeah it was about fixes, security fixes in the first place,.. but not about introducing bugs |
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| 16:50.15 | stew | dino4k: it wasn't strickly about security fixes |
| 16:50.23 | ebw | Fuwex: Depends, have a look at lvm. It really worths, even for single-harddisk machines. |
| 16:50.35 | defrysk | stew, I see |
| 16:50.37 | pickcoder | Fuwex: you can have 4 pimary partitions |
| 16:50.45 | ebw | Fuwex: If you do something with lvm and want to change it later it's no problem. |
| 16:50.55 | pickcoder | any more than that and you have to make on of them an exteneded primary and split that up into logical partitions |
| 16:50.58 | pickcoder | s/on/one |
| 16:51.45 | ebw | I looked at the GNU "IceWeasel" it does also not have that problem of Debian "IceWeasel". Maybe someone could package GNU "IceWeasel" ... |
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| 16:52.11 | Fuwex | ebw: well, I've already got one harddrive which holds the OS and all that (I don't think this is LVM, I can't remember what I did, and fdisk doesn't mention LVM in the partition table) - and I've just added a second harddrive which I will only use for one single, large partition to hold data |
| 16:52.28 | Fuwex | I'm creating a partition in fdisk and it asks me if I want to create a primary or extended one |
| 16:52.33 | Fuwex | to be honest I don't really know the difference |
| 16:52.55 | pickcoder | I just told you what it's for |
| 16:53.03 | Fuwex | oh, sorry |
| 16:53.12 | Fuwex | missed your line, was busy writing I guess |
| 16:54.26 | Fuwex | how do I know whether my existing partitions on the first harddrive are primary or extended? 'fdisk -l' says Linux for all of them but two, which are Linux Swap and Extended |
| 16:54.27 | dino4k | stew, ebw: yeah, its seems there is some stuff about glyphs... a workaround for a xserver bug (in the diff at line 9197) |
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| 16:54.49 | pickcoder | Extended is a huge clue |
| 16:54.55 | defrysk | lol |
| 16:55.00 | Fuwex | Well, yeah |
| 16:55.03 | Fuwex | but there are five saying Linux |
| 16:55.07 | Fuwex | and you said you can have 4 primary |
| 16:55.11 | Fuwex | so surely they can't all be primary? |
| 16:55.18 | pickcoder | the Extended is a primary |
| 16:55.25 | Fuwex | Really? |
| 16:55.26 | ebw | Fuwex: If you want to have one large partition, make it primary. Doesn't matter anyway. |
| 16:55.28 | pickcoder | but it's "fake" |
| 16:55.46 | Fuwex | ebw: ok, cheers |
| 16:55.56 | pickcoder | so that the partitioner can make more than one additional partitions |
| 16:56.03 | Fuwex | Oh |
| 16:56.13 | pickcoder | you can configure it however you want, provided you don't exceed the primary limit |
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| 16:56.47 | ebw | dino4k: That's bad and it's really annoying, also there are some bugs reported about this misrendering of ligatures, but not for 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1, maybe someone should post a bug on that, but the other reports have been forwarded to bugzilla.mozilla.org where they surely do not belong. |
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| 16:57.29 | stew | dino4k: whether that change has anything to do with his problem i have no idea. i'm just objecting to the notion that debian doesn't change anything at all but the branding |
| 16:57.54 | dino4k | ebw: please report there that you have the same problem, but not with the official versoin. And i'm not sure if the debian path i mention actually causing this |
| 16:57.56 | stew | ebw: if you have found a bug that doesn't appear to be reported, by all means, please report it: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 16:59.14 | Fuwex | Another stupid question: Is it 4 primary partitions per disk or overall? I'm assuming per disk? |
| 16:59.17 | ebw | dino4k,stew: I did. |
| 16:59.29 | ebw | Fuwex: per disk. |
| 16:59.35 | Fuwex | ok |
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| 16:59.51 | ebw | Fuwex: Maybe you should read the Gnu Storage Thing. Google for it. |
| 17:00.26 | Farhadix | where I can find "Fuse Package for linux kernel", I googled it but didn't find any thing. anyone can help me? |
| 17:00.45 | dino4k | modprobe -l | grep fuse |
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| 17:01.31 | Fuwex | ebw: alright, I'll check it out, thanks |
| 17:01.42 | dino4k | Farhadix: does just "modprobe fuse" doesnt work? |
| 17:02.10 | dino4k | uh, my language |
| 17:02.25 | Farhadix | dino4k, i don't know, I must try that |
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| 17:02.45 | diafic | Yo. I upgraded from 2.6.18 -> 2.6.22 |
| 17:02.46 | graytron | which package maintains /etc/papersize ? |
| 17:02.46 | dino4k | Farhadix: what do you whant with fuse if not load/modprobe it ;) ? |
| 17:02.48 | diafic | and audio broke |
| 17:03.02 | dino4k | graytron: ask dpkg ;) |
| 17:03.12 | graytron | dino4k: no reply |
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| 17:03.44 | dino4k | hm |
| 17:03.52 | dino4k | i dont have /etc/papersize uhh |
| 17:04.04 | Fuwex | 'mkfs -t ext2 -j /dev/sdb1' will format with ext3? |
| 17:04.07 | Farhadix | dino4k, my problem is this: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#fuse26 |
| 17:04.10 | dino4k | d'oh, never mind :D |
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| 17:04.18 | graytron | dino4k: seems like the package is libpaper1 |
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| 17:05.25 | Fuwex | or perhaps I should just use mkfs.ext3? (I guess all it does is append the -j option to -t ext2? |
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| 17:05.30 | dino4k | Farhadix: hmm, how did you installed ntfs-3g ? |
| 17:05.38 | nena | how can i recompile locales? |
| 17:05.45 | graytron | from where does Iceweasel gets its default paper size? |
| 17:05.49 | graytron | get |
| 17:05.56 | dino4k | Farhadix: through apt? |
| 17:06.05 | Farhadix | no, manual |
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| 17:06.25 | dino4k | why not checked the debian version first ;) ? |
| 17:06.27 | Farhadix | I downloaded packages and installed those |
| 17:06.40 | dino4k | its worked for a friend of mine very well |
| 17:07.00 | dino4k | Farhadix: does modprobe fuse work btw? |
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| 17:07.52 | Farhadix | btw?? |
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| 17:08.05 | dino4k | by the way |
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| 17:08.51 | dino4k | Farhadix: are you using a debian kernel? or compiled this your own as well? |
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| 17:09.18 | Farhadix | I use debian kernel |
| 17:09.39 | dino4k | so "modprobe fuse" should work |
| 17:10.11 | dino4k | do you have "fuse-utils" insatlled? |
| 17:10.46 | vin` | graytron: about:config |
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| 17:10.57 | Farhadix | I run modprobe fuse in shell but doesn't appears any thing |
| 17:11.06 | vin` | Farhadix: that's a good sign |
| 17:11.06 | dino4k | Farhadix: so no error as well :) |
| 17:11.09 | Farhadix | ye i have installed |
| 17:11.30 | dino4k | so, still the question why not installed ntfs-3g? |
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| 17:12.15 | Farhadix | I have installed, but when i run mount -a , appear http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#fuse26 |
| 17:12.32 | dino4k | Farhadix: i mean, why not installed the debian version |
| 17:12.37 | Farhadix | this warning |
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| 17:12.54 | Farhadix | I downloaded it from debian site |
| 17:13.01 | dino4k | ah |
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| 17:13.24 | dino4k | Farhadix: which version of debian? |
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| 17:14.00 | Farhadix | 4.0r0 |
| 17:14.19 | dino4k | hmm |
| 17:14.21 | stew | Farhadix: then you shoulnd't be using ntfs-3g from debian |
| 17:14.53 | stew | Farhadix: what does "apt-cache policy ntfs-3g" say for "Installed:"? |
| 17:15.03 | stew | Farhadix: and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:15.23 | dino4k | Farhadix: do what stew says ;) i never used ntfs-3g on a etch installation :) |
| 17:15.32 | stew | i've never used it at all |
| 17:15.37 | dino4k | hehe |
| 17:15.39 | stew | but i know debian didn't ship it with etch |
| 17:15.45 | vin` | stew: howdy? |
| 17:15.46 | dino4k | uh |
| 17:15.52 | stew | vin`: aloha |
| 17:15.53 | dino4k | ic |
| 17:16.18 | dino4k | Farhadix: but maybe you could test another fuse-based fs to check if fuse is working :) maybe sshfs |
| 17:16.56 | Farhadix | 1:1.516-1~bpo.1 |
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| 17:17.12 | Farhadix | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:18.14 | Farhadix | i wanna enable writing for ntfs' drives |
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| 17:19.19 | dino4k | Farhadix: i guess you're mixing different versions of debian in one installation |
| 17:19.26 | stew | dino4k: no, he's not |
| 17:19.27 | dino4k | which is possible in general, yes ;) |
| 17:19.42 | dino4k | stew: where did he get ntfs-3g from then ;) |
| 17:19.46 | dino4k | if not testing or unstable |
| 17:19.50 | stew | dino4k: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:19.51 | hark | that's etch backport |
| 17:20.04 | dino4k | ah, d'oh |
| 17:20.08 | dino4k | nvm |
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| 17:20.37 | stew | Farhadix: you are using the backport of ntfs-3g which is good, you might want to try pairing it with a backported kernel from bpo as well. i believe that have a 2.6.21 kernel |
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| 17:22.56 | dino4k | hm, i got some funny things with my gnome-terminal. For example i cant use the 7-key anymore.... (the one at the numpad still works) it pasts my clipboard instaed o.O |
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| 17:24.43 | fluxdude | I'm trying to use megarc and have added 4 new drives but the kernel can't see them yet. Any ideas? |
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| 17:24.54 | Farhadix | for updating kernel what i must write front apt-get |
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| 17:25.31 | stew | Farhadix: aptitude install -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:25.31 | defrysk | Farhadix, if you have backports apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:25.41 | defrysk | ow like that |
| 17:25.42 | stew | Farhadix: no, not dist-upgrade |
| 17:25.46 | defrysk | sorry |
| 17:26.14 | defrysk | Farhadix, forget what I said I am a humble idiot |
| 17:27.55 | Farhadix | which response? |
| 17:27.57 | Farhadix | i remove default response |
| 17:27.58 | Farhadix | ;) |
| 17:28.05 | Farhadix | removed |
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| 17:28.17 | et-b00n | memstat draw me that ../usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Verdana_Bold.ttf is 112928k ... ? |
| 17:28.35 | Hammar | what are zombie processes? |
| 17:28.48 | asg | !zombies |
| 17:28.48 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 17:29.00 | et-b00n | no zombi |
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| 17:29.14 | Fuwex | where do I find a list of apt sources? My current one (ftp.no.debian.org) seems to not function very well at the moment, so I need to add a second one, but I don't remember where to find the list of addresses |
| 17:29.23 | asg | Fuwex: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:29.38 | Fuwex | cheers |
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| 17:30.04 | Hammar | what could then be the explanation for iceweasel spawning an npviewer.bin zombie process? |
| 17:30.08 | Farhadix | thanks guys, bye |
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| 17:31.09 | asg | Hammar: buggy plugin perhaps? |
| 17:31.20 | asg | Hammar: what does 'about:plugins' show in iceweasel? |
| 17:31.32 | dkr | Hammar: some plugin didn't check exit code of child proc, apparently |
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| 17:31.51 | et-b00n | hmm is bug in iceweasel .... without iceweasel is ok.. |
| 17:33.00 | Hammar | wth is the "FutureSplash Player"? mime application/futuresplash |
| 17:33.42 | et-b00n | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.04 | ameyer | Hammar: it's like flash before there was flash... |
| 17:34.37 | ameyer | an extreme backwards-compatibility thing, basically |
| 17:34.44 | Hammar | ah, ok |
| 17:34.47 | ameyer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FutureSplash_Animator |
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| 17:35.31 | ebw | Where does xorg get it fonts from and how can I use defoma? I actually have no clue what defoma does, but I installed tons of fonts now and if I click at Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> Font I only see a few in iceweasel? |
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| 17:35.58 | ogzy | hi, i installed nepenthes to ethch anc add the libprelude.so, lib-prelude.conf line to the conf file, but got an error: http://rafb.net/p/8FhDdx34.html |
| 17:36.27 | ogzy | the version is 0.1.7 and does is support prelude integration?, if so how? |
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| 17:40.19 | GianMarco | hi ppl |
| 17:40.35 | GianMarco | I have a problem installing amavisd-new |
| 17:40.40 | GianMarco | I get this error: "Starting amavisd: Found incompatible config file flag!" |
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| 17:41.44 | stiv2k | hey... im at school right now and im ssh'd to my server back home and the connection it's on seems to be heavily saturated (250ms to google)... how can i find out whats using all the bandwidth?? |
| 17:42.52 | wols | ntop |
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| 17:43.43 | stiv2k | wols: tru... im installing it now |
| 17:45.21 | stiv2k | wols: umm im not sure how to use it... `ntop` just shuts down after saying some file open error? |
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| 17:45.49 | stiv2k | wols: ok running it as root made it work... however now i dont know what all this output means |
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| 17:46.26 | enberg | so, I upgraded my sid system to X 7.3 today, now xmodmap refuses to work on X startup. Anyone knows what's wrong? |
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| 17:46.55 | wols | !tell enberg about bugs |
| 17:47.05 | Mole | !tell mole about bugs |
| 17:47.06 | Mole | :) |
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| 17:47.26 | Mole | my nvidia drivers dont work..i upgraded my sid too |
| 17:47.27 | wols | !tell enberg about bts |
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| 17:47.32 | Mole | something with ramdac :) |
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| 17:47.45 | wols | Mole: I doubt it |
| 17:47.52 | mesof | how do you identify on irc? |
| 17:47.56 | Mole | wols : you doubt what? |
| 17:48.10 | wols | usually either the kernel is unsuitable for crappy closed source drivers or new X version is |
| 17:48.15 | wols | rarely if ever the ramdac |
| 17:48.19 | mesof | how do i identify |
| 17:48.29 | wols | mesof: /msg nickserv help register |
| 17:48.30 | Mole | wols : it says its not compatible with the current version of xorg..tried dling older version of the nvidia-driver but nope :( |
| 17:48.33 | wols | mesof: /msg nickserv help |
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| 17:48.53 | Mole | ok |
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| 17:49.12 | kritzstapf | hi i just used debootstrap to install etch and now apt states the packages id like to install (grub for example) cant be authorized, where to get the key? |
| 17:49.23 | mesof | okay it's not registering |
| 17:49.38 | wols | !topicsmite kritzstapf |
| 17:49.38 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kritzstapf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:49.56 | mesof | what are the advantages of 64bit compared to 32bit? |
| 17:50.16 | wols | bigger memory space (>4GB) |
| 17:50.35 | wols | sometimes you can have faster code, sometimes slower, depending on the particular binaries |
| 17:50.56 | stew | and in general, programs require more memory when running in 64 bits |
| 17:51.02 | dino4k | mesof: if you have and amd64 actually, read http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 17:51.04 | mesof | so on 32bit if i have 8gb of ram, only 4 would get used |
| 17:51.18 | mesof | no i just miss java |
| 17:51.20 | mesof | er i need it |
| 17:51.21 | stew | mesof: no, 32 bit can use 8gb of ram |
| 17:51.24 | wols | stiv2k: which is why it gets slower. more GP registers and wider busses is why it can be faster |
| 17:51.36 | mesof | then what 4gb is he talking about? |
| 17:51.41 | mesof | disk cache? |
| 17:51.46 | wols | mesof: 32bit has PAE if your machine can handle 8GB |
| 17:51.46 | mesof | er disk swap |
| 17:51.47 | stiv2k | wols: im sorry i didnt quite understand that |
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| 17:52.04 | stew | heh, i guess he is the new steve |
| 17:52.05 | wols | stiv2k: sry. was for stew |
| 17:52.09 | stiv2k | wols: ping from my server to google is like 200 ms... something is hogging the bandwidth on my network at home im not sure if its the server or one of my room mates (but i think they are all in class too) |
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| 17:52.17 | stiv2k | wols: oh... |
| 17:52.24 | mesof | so what is the 4gb in reference to? |
| 17:52.24 | stiv2k | wols: lol its ok |
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| 17:52.43 | wols | stiv2k: unless you have access to the router (sehll there) and it's a linux, it will be hard to impossible to see who is hogging the cpu |
| 17:52.46 | kritzstapf | ah hm, and i used debootstrap from ubuntu, and now theres a ubuntu mirror in the sources.list.. debootstrap didnt load any packages from this mirror, did it? |
| 17:52.59 | wols | mesof: the max amount a 32bit CPU can use directly |
| 17:53.32 | mesof | thanks |
| 17:53.43 | wols | kritzstapf: dpkg -l will tell you. you can see it from the vresion numbers of packagesd |
| 17:54.07 | mesof | question 2: do 64bit processors get used correctly in the 32bit worlds? |
| 17:54.13 | kritzstapf | wols: thanks, no ubuntu ;) |
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| 17:54.36 | wols | lucky you |
| 17:54.47 | dino4k | mesof: i'm using a 64bit system (kernel+userspace) and can run 32bit (most of them) out of the box |
| 17:55.09 | snazm | Hi folks, I've got a Dell poweredge with SCSI, what kernel name do I need to enter during installation boot to get a SCSI kernel? Sorry for my ignorance lol |
| 17:55.25 | petemc | snazm: which poweredge? |
| 17:55.30 | mesof | but my question is, do 64bit processors operate correctly in the 32bit environment? |
| 17:55.32 | snazm | 1550 matey |
| 17:55.47 | petemc | snazm: have you tried the etch installer? |
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| 17:55.52 | peterS | mesof: I haven't heard of problems installing debian i386 on an amd64 cpu |
| 17:55.52 | wols | stiv2k: there are no such things as "SCSI kernels" anymore |
| 17:56.07 | dino4k | mesof: i think the answer is yes ;) at least the amd64 ones works nice in 32bit mode |
| 17:56.07 | stiv2k | wols: luckily, the router runs dd-wrt so it has a shell but i have never used it |
| 17:56.13 | wols | mesof: yes they operate correctly. no problems at all |
| 17:56.21 | snazm | If I use the standard installation it doesn't detect the SCSI stuff |
| 17:56.31 | mesof | it's not like xp where i've heard they only use 1 core |
| 17:56.33 | dino4k | mesof: actually i dont know *any* windows user using windows64 bit, but i know a lot windows user owning a amd64.. |
| 17:56.39 | peterS | mesof: not sure whether the 32-bit kernels fully support them, but you can always use a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit install. only a few things are known to fail in that mode, including the 'iptables' firewall infrastructure |
| 17:56.52 | mesof | can the proper kernel be used for an amd64 in the 32bit debian? |
| 17:56.55 | wols | mesof: while XP is OT: that's BS |
| 17:57.14 | wols | mesof: yes you can use 64bit kernel and 32bit userland without any problems |
| 17:57.24 | snazm | petemc: No I haven't tried etch |
| 17:57.25 | wols | but: a single process still can't use more than 3.5GB each |
| 17:57.27 | peterS | wols: does 32-bit iptables work now? last I heard it didn't |
| 17:57.34 | brea | How can I delete all the 'apt-get update' caches and refresh everything? Tried 'apt-get clean' but the next 'apt-get update' ran just like everything was still cached. |
| 17:57.44 | petemc | snazm: what are you trying? |
| 17:57.44 | mesof | peterS: will lacking those thing cause a loss of connection? |
| 17:57.48 | wols | peterS: you're probably right. staitc iptables I guess |
| 17:58.11 | peterS | mesof: no, iptables isn't needed for a network connection. only if you want to provide NAT or firewall services from your pc |
| 17:58.17 | snazm | I'm just trying to install Debian but it's not detecting SCSI drivers, I'm just very lost |
| 17:58.18 | wols | brea: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:58.23 | brea | k |
| 17:58.36 | mesof | thanks for the info guys |
| 17:58.37 | petemc | snazm: i meant which install have you tried that it hasnt worked? |
| 17:58.39 | brea | wols: thanks |
| 17:58.47 | et-b00n | hi people - I search simple todo-list organiser with hide/hot-key- feature ... or vim todo.txt is coole? ps I use Icewm |
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| 17:58.53 | mesof | how do i register with nickserv, if i msg it help it doesn't message me back |
| 17:58.57 | peterS | mesof: anyway, I don't know this stuff firsthand - I don't use iptables, _and_ I don't use 64-bit CPUs with 32-bit Debian. the only 64-bit machine I have is the one I just got at work and I'm just running 64-bit debian etch on that |
| 17:59.10 | snazm | petemc: The standard option, I will try the 2.6 kernel I guess see if that works |
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| 17:59.26 | mesof | peterS: but what do you do for java? |
| 17:59.30 | donaldo | don't know where else to ask this: anyone know what modem commands will hold the line open no matter what? |
| 17:59.39 | peterS | mesof: nickserv should send back messages in the form of IRC "NOTICE" rather than normal IRC messages. possibly your irc client puts 'notice's in a differnet window or something |
| 17:59.43 | petemc | snazm: if you have the option to choose 2.4 or 2.6, you're using an old install disc |
| 17:59.54 | peterS | mesof: I don't use java. or flash. I think the web is better without those things |
| 17:59.55 | wols | stiv2k: debian currently has only 2.6 kernels. if you had any other kernel you didn't use a recent debian but a 2 year old one |
| 17:59.56 | stew | brea: not /var/cache/apt/archives, /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 17:59.58 | mesof | peterS: i checked the other window and its not there |
| 18:00.10 | snazm | I think it's a couple of months old |
| 18:00.17 | wols | stiv2k: what is the pkgcache.bin then? |
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| 18:00.19 | diafic_ | vmware is giving me gyp |
| 18:00.20 | snazm | I will just grab the latest, thanks for your time I thought it was worth a quick try |
| 18:00.20 | diafic_ | Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. |
| 18:00.21 | diafic_ | Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use |
| 18:00.21 | diafic_ | "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.1". This configuration is not recommended and |
| 18:00.21 | diafic_ | VMware Server may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same |
| 18:00.21 | diafic_ | compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler |
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| 18:00.23 | petemc | snazm: get etch, the netinstall should work fine |
| 18:00.25 | bulio| | http://coyote-na.com/coyote |
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| 18:00.30 | stiv2k | wols: you gotta remember that i am not stew :D |
| 18:00.31 | snazm | petemc: OK, shall do thanks matey |
| 18:00.33 | bulio| | can anyone tell my why that doesnt work? |
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| 18:00.42 | diafic_ | I thought it would only span 2-3 lines |
| 18:00.44 | diafic_ | whups. |
| 18:00.50 | peterS | mesof: anyway, it might be hard to deal with nickserv if you never see any responses. but if you want to try, try the command 'register {password}' |
| 18:00.53 | bulio| | I imported my database, installed php5, apache2, mysql-server, and php-mysql |
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| 18:01.13 | stew | wols: he's talking about "apt-get update" not fetching fresh lists, afaict, nothing to do with installing anything |
| 18:01.17 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 18:01.20 | stew | wols: and he's already run apt-get clean |
| 18:01.22 | bulio| | anyone? |
| 18:01.27 | peterS | mesof: then '/msg nickserv identify {password}' when you connect. you'll see if it works because the server will give you a +e user mode |
| 18:01.35 | diafic_ | http://rafb.net/p/Xr2aey34.html |
| 18:01.50 | diafic_ | how do I recompile my kernel with a more modern version of gcc? |
| 18:02.11 | bulio| | http://coyote-na.com/coyote |
| 18:02.12 | bulio| | can anyone tell my why that doesnt work? |
| 18:02.14 | bulio| | I imported my database, installed php5, apache2, mysql-server, and php-mysql |
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| 18:02.56 | diafic_ | because you've not installed them right |
| 18:03.05 | psycodad | bulio|: dont repeat your questions, it won't help you |
| 18:03.10 | diafic_ | php5 isn't "biting" to apache, meaning apache just serves up a broken file |
| 18:03.10 | databuddy | hm |
| 18:03.14 | peterS | diafic_: simple answer is, why? gcc 4.1 is fine for kernel building - in general, kernels are hand-optimized by the kerenl developers such that newer gcc doesn't really give a better result anyway. better to just use CC=gcc-4.1 when installing your non-free vmware module |
| 18:03.16 | h3sp4wn | Does anyone know by chance when setting up a bridge on debian (using bridge-utils and /etc/network/interfaces) how I can do it without "Bridge firewalling registered" I think its a kernel and I could rebuild one without that support (but this is just running etch so I would prefer to keep the debian kernel) |
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| 18:03.30 | diafic_ | peterS, I need to do it to make vmware work |
| 18:03.32 | mesof | peterS: what do you do for java |
| 18:03.37 | diafic_ | http://rafb.net/p/Xr2aey34.html |
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| 18:03.49 | peterS | mesof: I told you. I don't use java. or flash. I think the web is better without them. |
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| 18:03.50 | databuddy | if i install debian onto a cf card or a thumb drive, how much slower would it run compaired to being on a sata hdd @ 7200 rpm? |
| 18:03.53 | peterS | mesof: I won't repeat myself any more |
| 18:03.58 | wols | !tell diafic_ about vmware |
| 18:04.01 | diafic_ | databuddy, very |
| 18:04.04 | databuddy | yeah |
| 18:04.06 | mesof | sorry, i missed it |
| 18:04.11 | databuddy | thought so; thanx diafic_ |
| 18:04.21 | wols | databuddy: can't be said. flash has very differing speeds |
| 18:04.26 | diafic_ | wols, I was asking about recompiling a kernel so I COULD run vmware |
| 18:04.36 | diafic_ | with a more modern version of gcc |
| 18:04.38 | peterS | diafic_: as opposed to just building the vmware module with gcc-4.1 in the first place? |
| 18:04.44 | peterS | I mean, that seems a lot simpler |
| 18:04.45 | diafic_ | I can't get that to work |
| 18:04.46 | databuddy | wols generic cheaper flash |
| 18:04.47 | wols | diafic_: you are asking to build vmware tools/kernel drives. go away. go to #vmware |
| 18:04.53 | diafic_ | so I'm attacking from a different angle. |
| 18:04.55 | bulio| | diafic_: is there a way to rectify this? |
| 18:05.00 | bulio| | I tried restarting apache |
| 18:05.10 | h3sp4wn | diafic_: use vmware-package (its from experimental) |
| 18:05.18 | diafic_ | h3sp4wn, hmm? |
| 18:05.35 | kritzstapf | do UUIDs of usb-devices change on disconnect/reconnect? |
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| 18:05.39 | wols | h3sp4wn: good luck supprting this suggestion :) |
| 18:05.44 | hark | h3sp4wn: in sid now |
| 18:06.08 | databuddy | kritzstapf i may be wrong but i thought a device would give the same uuid till its formatted again |
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| 18:06.19 | amimusa | hi all dear, somebody can give me good repos for debian/testing ? thanks. now I have http://ftp/rediris.es/debian etch main |
| 18:06.22 | kritzstapf | databuddy: i think thats right ;) |
| 18:06.27 | databuddy | ;) |
| 18:06.35 | wols | !tell amimusa about sources.list |
| 18:06.39 | diafic_ | bulio|, see PM? |
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| 18:06.50 | databuddy | kritzstapf no-one has stomped on me so mebbie.. |
| 18:06.51 | databuddy | XD |
| 18:07.03 | bulio| | diafic_: I dont see the PM |
| 18:07.13 | diafic_ | Fark. |
| 18:07.13 | amimusa | i know sources, what i don't know is what repos to put |
| 18:07.14 | diafic_ | Hold |
| 18:07.30 | diafic | You need to be identified |
| 18:07.32 | wols | bulio|: and you never will until he's registered and identified to services |
| 18:07.33 | h3sp4wn | diafic_: /msg dpkg simple sid backport (build vmware package - read the manpage) Its quite easy |
| 18:07.34 | diafic | Are you? |
| 18:07.38 | wols | unless you change something on your end |
| 18:07.54 | bulio| | diafic: yes |
| 18:08.01 | diafic | Rockin' |
| 18:08.56 | wols | amimusa: the factoid tells you which ones to use, explicitly |
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| 18:09.43 | amimusa | sorry, what is factorid ? |
| 18:09.55 | wols | what dpkg messaged you about |
| 18:09.58 | wols | !factoid |
| 18:09.58 | dpkg | i guess factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
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| 18:11.16 | amimusa | i am in etch version, i woudl like to move to testing, just change etch for testing and update will be ok ? |
| 18:11.45 | AndroidData | I need a good, easy-to-use, secure mail server that primarily uses virtual mailboxes. I don't want a mail server using system mailboxes |
| 18:11.46 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 18:11.48 | h3sp4wn | amimusa: maybe - probably some stuff will break |
| 18:11.51 | AndroidData | anybody know of one? |
| 18:11.56 | Shadowcat | amimusa: why do you need testing? |
| 18:12.00 | AndroidData | tried postfix but it confuses me |
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| 18:12.19 | defrysk | testing is nice |
| 18:12.31 | Shadowcat | read :P |
| 18:12.33 | Shadowcat | ;) |
| 18:12.35 | dino4k | experimental too :) |
| 18:12.37 | stew | AndroidData: if you ahve a specific question about postfix, just ask it |
| 18:12.37 | amimusa | i have had a kernel error after install my wireless driver, I guess maybe the last kernel image doesn't have this problem |
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| 18:13.22 | Shadowcat | amimusa: please don't say broadcom |
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| 18:13.35 | defrysk | breadcrum ? |
| 18:13.36 | stew | amimusa: wanting to try a newer kernel would not be a good reason to upgrade your entire installation from stable, you can try a backported kernel by installing a 'linux-image-2.6' package from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 18:14.17 | xingu | hmm, is that xorg7.3 I spy in sid? |
| 18:14.20 | AndroidData | stew: is there a tutorial out there, a simple one, that goes over the basics of postfix + virtual hosts + imap? |
| 18:14.28 | Shadowcat | !info xorg sid |
| 18:14.32 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 18:14.37 | Shadowcat | yup |
| 18:14.49 | xingu | oh yay |
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| 18:14.59 | Shadowcat | oh yay, massive breakage up ahead |
| 18:14.59 | xingu | prepare for a bazillion "my nvidia broke" weenies. |
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| 18:15.06 | stew | AndroidData: tons of them |
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| 18:15.22 | Shadowcat | xingu: I'm not touching that upgrade for at least a few weeks |
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| 18:15.35 | wols | Shadowcat: chicken :) |
| 18:15.42 | xingu | Shadowcat: nvidia driver needs -ignoreabi server flag or summich. |
| 18:15.52 | mesof | what can i do if i cannot identify with nickserv |
| 18:15.54 | wols | xingu: there already was one not half an hour ago |
| 18:16.03 | AndroidData | stew: do you know of an easy one? |
| 18:16.07 | wols | mesof: there is an error message. |
| 18:16.08 | xingu | wols: woo! |
| 18:16.11 | Shadowcat | you try getting up from that |
| 18:16.24 | wols | neato. more kindling! |
| 18:16.24 | stew | mesof: go to #freenode for help with network services |
| 18:16.24 | Shadowcat | I don't have time to fix xorg if it ain't abroke |
| 18:16.26 | xingu | Shadowcat: nice pr0n collection |
| 18:16.27 | Shadowcat | broke* |
| 18:16.31 | stew | AndroidData: no |
| 18:16.35 | jetscreamer | oh good i want to see xorg break nvidia |
| 18:16.43 | jetscreamer | or if it's just pebkac |
| 18:16.46 | Shadowcat | xingu: uhh I don't need pr0n, I have a girlfriend |
| 18:16.52 | wols | AndroidData: workaround.org |
| 18:16.56 | defrysk | I need both |
| 18:17.12 | Shadowcat | defrysk: maybe you need a hotter girlfriend then :P |
| 18:17.16 | defrysk | :D |
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| 18:17.53 | Shadowcat | speaking of, rm -rf /home/xingu/.porn |
| 18:17.55 | Shadowcat | just for the hell of it :P |
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| 18:17.59 | karmatronic | happy_broccoli: i like your name |
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| 18:19.09 | JordiGH | Besides /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, and whatever /proc thing, is there anything else I need to mess with in order to change the hostname? |
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| 18:19.29 | linux_jones | can i use widows remote desktop connection to connect to vncserver? |
| 18:19.49 | Shadowcat | linux_jones: no |
| 18:19.56 | wols | linux_jones: no |
| 18:20.06 | wols | linux_jones: you can use tightvncviewer for example |
| 18:20.12 | wols | any vnc viewer will work |
| 18:20.24 | linux_jones | wols, and thats for windows |
| 18:20.32 | wols | yes it is |
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| 18:20.43 | linux_jones | wols ok thanks |
| 18:20.50 | bulio| | !lamp |
| 18:20.51 | dpkg | methinks lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 18:20.59 | bulio| | !damp |
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| 18:21.25 | jetscreamer | holy big huge update batman! |
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| 18:23.57 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Hm, looks like KDE shifted down to testing. |
| 18:23.59 | jetscreamer | not all that huge |
| 18:24.14 | JordiGH | What's Gnome's terminal called? |
| 18:24.23 | jetscreamer | weird... gnome-terminal |
| 18:24.32 | JordiGH | I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to save a transcript of your session with. |
| 18:24.43 | JordiGH | Why can't they name it something sensible like "gterm"? |
| 18:24.44 | jetscreamer | there is a gnome-multiterminal or so.. supposedly enhanced |
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| 18:24.48 | JordiGH | Or Gonsole? |
| 18:25.01 | jetscreamer | i like gnome-term though |
| 18:25.13 | jetscreamer | i've come to prefer xterm however |
| 18:25.14 | dino4k | i dont like it, its making weird stuff here xD |
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| 18:25.40 | pushka | text console rulez >:D |
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| 18:25.53 | dino4k | tilda rulz :) |
| 18:26.13 | JordiGH | Hm, so it's not possible to save a terminal session, is it? I mean, whatever's in the terminal's buffer. |
| 18:26.14 | jetscreamer | i tried tilda.... not a very good clone |
| 18:26.31 | jetscreamer | i prefer quake :) |
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| 18:26.46 | dino4k | ttyquake, i guess ;) ? |
| 18:26.46 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 18:26.50 | nvz | well I am finally able to connect directly to my pc at home from here now.. I had to clone a mac id from the LAN for the router.. for some reason the ISP was giving the router a x.x.x.0 IP which was invalid for the mac id it had |
| 18:26.51 | jetscreamer | not sure JordiGH |
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| 18:27.00 | ribnitz | how do I use (x)sane as non-root? |
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| 18:27.25 | jetscreamer | yeh cable modems like to glom onto the first ip they see and not use others till you reset the modem |
| 18:27.58 | JordiGH | What's Gnome's version of Klipper? For browsing clipboard history. |
| 18:28.23 | ribnitz | JordiGH: Glipper? |
| 18:28.28 | ribnitz | ;= |
| 18:28.34 | jetscreamer | !boo@ribnitz |
| 18:28.38 | JordiGH | Or maybe "gnome-clipboard". |
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| 18:29.14 | jetscreamer | glipper - A clipboard manager for GNOME and other window managers |
| 18:30.07 | muszek | hi... I have just installed python 2.4 (on a sarge box, which has 2.3 aleary). how do I change it so that python2.4 is used by default? |
| 18:30.35 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 18:30.36 | dino4k | muszek: /usr/bin/python is a link to python2.3, change it to python2.4 |
| 18:30.42 | JordiGH | !info wmcliphist |
| 18:30.43 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives perhaps |
| 18:30.45 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 18:30.47 | dpkg | wmcliphist: (Dockapp which provides a history for X11 selections), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.6-4 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
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| 18:31.31 | AdamT | Hi I just had a friend on here asking but I am running the 4.0 release 1 net install, at the boot screen what parameter do i need to use to reconise my scsi controller for a poweredge 1550, sorry it has been a long time since I have done this |
| 18:32.29 | chops | AdamT: Is it not detected automatically? |
| 18:32.32 | muszek | dino4k: thank you |
| 18:33.10 | AdamT | Im just trying it now, but I seem to remember having to pass the kernel to it. Unless it has changed in v4.0 |
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| 18:33.27 | chops | AdamT: There's a good chance that it has changed since sarge |
| 18:33.32 | kritzstapf | how to install grub in a chrooted environment, im missing /dev/hd* :/ |
| 18:33.51 | chops | kritzstapf: Use mount --bind to put /dev and /proc into the chroot |
| 18:33.55 | jetscreamer | kritical: mount /proc , and there was something else iirc |
| 18:33.56 | AdamT | ok instead of not finding it it gives me a list of drivers to choose |
| 18:33.59 | jetscreamer | ah there you go |
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| 18:34.19 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: install grub from outside the chroot |
| 18:34.33 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: (you can install it into the chroot anyway) |
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| 18:36.04 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: i.e something like - grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --root-directory=/mounted/chroot /dev/sda |
| 18:36.13 | kritzstapf | h3sp4wn: like # grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/deb /dev/hdc? |
| 18:36.29 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: yep |
| 18:36.35 | kritzstapf | okay |
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| 18:37.33 | kritzstapf | h3sp4wn: and now i have to edit the device map because ill change master-slave-things on ide? |
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| 18:38.27 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: You can change menu.lst |
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| 18:39.00 | AdamT | ok I does not auto detect it and none of the listed drivers seem to find it. |
| 18:39.02 | cberlo | Hi folks. Anyone know how to refresh the GNOME 2.18 desktop from the command line without getting a new browser window? |
| 18:39.25 | kritzstapf | h3sp4wn: but for example theres (hd1) /dev/hdc in the device.map which wont exist when i boot the installation im just making because ill remove this disk |
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| 18:39.48 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: And it will be hd0 when its in the new box ? |
| 18:40.05 | AndroidData | wols: thx |
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| 18:40.25 | AndroidData | that site clears up a lot |
| 18:40.32 | kritzstapf | h3sp4wn: ill remove hda and will use whats now hdc as hda |
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| 18:40.53 | xingu | ooh, ro bind mounts! |
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| 18:41.20 | jetscreamer | !sex xingu |
| 18:41.20 | dpkg | xingu is about 22% female |
| 18:41.25 | jetscreamer | dammit |
| 18:41.30 | jetscreamer | i want the fuck factoid! |
| 18:41.40 | wols | !fuck jetscreamer |
| 18:41.41 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: What I would do is just leave it - fix it from the grub shell for the first boot and then rescan to generate the device map |
| 18:41.49 | jetscreamer | deleted or something |
| 18:42.01 | kritzstapf | h3sp4wn: oh than i have to attach a keyboard :P |
| 18:42.07 | wols | jetscreamer: do we have a morality police now? |
| 18:42.13 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: serial console ? |
| 18:42.24 | jetscreamer | not sure... dpkg got housecleaned |
| 18:42.28 | jetscreamer | a while back |
| 18:42.29 | kritzstapf | h3sp4wn: for now im working with ssh |
| 18:42.33 | wols | kritzstapf: why can't you attach the harddisk as hda? |
| 18:42.47 | kritzstapf | wols: i wont need the harddisk anymore |
| 18:43.01 | wols | you isntall grub on a hdd you don't need anymore? |
| 18:43.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:43.07 | jetscreamer | !love xingu |
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| 18:43.42 | kritzstapf | wols: no, im installing on a cf-card that is /dev/hdc by now, but as im removing hda from the system, the cf-card will become hda |
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| 18:44.42 | AdamT | Hi I just had a friend on here asking but I am running the 4.0 release 1 net install, at the boot screen what parameter do i need to use to reconise my scsi controller for a poweredge 1550, sorry it has been a long time since I have done this i have tried but it will not autodetect and none of the drivers seem to work, despite i know i have had this working before with an earlier version |
| 18:44.48 | raenkie | hey gus |
| 18:44.51 | raenkie | guys |
| 18:45.11 | wols | AdamT: what scsi chip(s)? use lspci |
| 18:45.22 | jetscreamer | AdamT: maybe try a daily, or the installer with the 2.6.22 kernel... |
| 18:45.27 | wols | raenkie: hello gal |
| 18:45.31 | raenkie | im searching for a tool, that can rescue deletet files on an ext3-system...anybody got an idea? |
| 18:45.37 | wols | !undelete |
| 18:45.37 | dpkg | i heard undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 18:45.41 | jetscreamer | what is that .jp address in the factoid? |
| 18:45.50 | wols | jetscreamer: kmuto? |
| 18:45.52 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 18:46.01 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 18:46.01 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:46.10 | jetscreamer | AdamT: maybe ^^ |
| 18:46.15 | wols | it's a japan dude who made stable installers with recent kernels. important with intel mobos when sarge was stable |
| 18:46.16 | raenkie | wohaaa |
| 18:46.21 | raenkie | thank u guy |
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| 18:46.27 | raenkie | i will try it |
| 18:46.30 | raenkie | thank u all |
| 18:46.36 | wols | raenkie: have you even read it? |
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| 18:46.40 | AdamT | il take a look thanks :) |
| 18:46.47 | wols | you cannot undelete files on a ext3 fs. cannot |
| 18:46.49 | jintxo | raenkie yah good luck though undelete with ext3.. ... ... doubt it |
| 18:47.04 | jetscreamer | you can remove the journal and make it ext2 i heard, and then undel... not sure at all though. |
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| 18:47.31 | Sinju | Hello... I have an odd problem... when I'm doing apt-get update i get stuck on the 4th thing and it says 99% [1 Packages gzip (some ever growing number)] |
| 18:47.35 | wols | jetscreamer: no you cannot |
| 18:47.38 | Sinju | been like that past 3 hours |
| 18:47.44 | wols | not if the file was undeleted while it was ext3 |
| 18:47.48 | xerophte5 | could somebody help me with this how can i revert this update db set Host='ip_address' where Db='databasename'; how can i revert this update ? |
| 18:47.48 | efaistos_ | did someone install debian on a macbook ? what's the best way for wifi config ? ndiswrapper or madwifi ? |
| 18:47.51 | jetscreamer | yeh i was wondering that |
| 18:48.04 | jetscreamer | Sinju: did you try ctrl+c and redoing? |
| 18:48.10 | wols | efaistos_: if you have an atheros chip, madwifi of course |
| 18:48.10 | Sinju | yep about 10 times now |
| 18:48.15 | jetscreamer | no idea :/ |
| 18:48.18 | Sinju | gets stuck on the same thing |
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| 18:48.31 | wols | xerophte5: what package? |
| 18:48.33 | vin` | Sinju: try another mirro |
| 18:48.35 | jetscreamer | put that package on hold maybe |
| 18:48.40 | vin` | mirror |
| 18:48.46 | Sinju | Get:3 http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages [71.0kB] |
| 18:48.46 | Sinju | Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Release |
| 18:48.46 | Sinju | 99% [1 Packages gzip 4366336] |
| 18:48.49 | Sinju | how do I change it? |
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| 18:48.59 | JordiGH | If you, like, immediately shut off your computer after you delete something, you boot from a rescue cd, you remove the journal from the ext3 filesystem and you attempt to undelete, is there any hope? |
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| 18:49.16 | efaistos_ | wols: lspci gave me atheros so let's go for madwifi ;) |
| 18:49.23 | jetscreamer | sinju make http be ftp ... ftp://ftp.us.debian.org ... just now worked fine for me |
| 18:49.26 | Sinju | anyways... how do i change it |
| 18:49.32 | fastputty | Sinju: /etc/apt/source.conf |
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| 18:49.43 | wols | Sinju: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:49.46 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 18:49.48 | fastputty | oops list.. wtf |
| 18:49.49 | jetscreamer | source.conf? |
| 18:49.50 | fastputty | what ever :) |
| 18:49.52 | xerophte5 | wols its mysql |
| 18:49.53 | jetscreamer | sources.list |
| 18:50.13 | Sinju | there is only onel ine in my srouces list |
| 18:50.13 | fastputty | =DDD |
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| 18:50.28 | wols | xerophte5: dpkg-reconfigure it or edit the my.cnf in a editor or whatever |
| 18:50.28 | fastputty | www.google.com Debian source mirrors url |
| 18:50.35 | jetscreamer | Sinju: aha no security line? |
| 18:50.36 | xerophte5 | wols ?? |
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| 18:50.47 | wols | !tell xerophte5 about grounding |
| 18:50.53 | stew | wols: dpkg-reconfigure to rollback a transaction? |
| 18:51.12 | wols | stew: dpkg-reconfigure to change a config? |
| 18:51.31 | stew | wols: why would you want him to change a config in order to undo a sql transaction? |
| 18:51.52 | wols | oh sql. xerophte5 use something like phpmyadmin to edit it |
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| 18:52.07 | stew | xerophte5: if the transaction has already committed, you likely cannot undo it automatically unless you know the old value |
| 18:52.40 | wols | stew: SQL is kinda OT for me here. just not really debian related |
| 18:52.42 | JordiGH | I thought the grounding factoid was going to be about static electricity and opening box cases. :-) |
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| 18:54.00 | stew | wols: thanks |
| 18:54.44 | pickcoder | heh.. we've seen/heard some interesting uses, from customers and resllers, for ESD wrist straps |
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| 18:55.13 | wols | what for? |
| 18:55.20 | Ronin | static strap? we dont need no stinking static straps |
| 18:55.25 | pickcoder | well they conduct electricty |
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| 18:55.48 | xerophte5 | stew, damn .. i followed a howto i didn't know what was there |
| 18:55.54 | Ronin | we fry a machine we place a warrenty call to dell :) |
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| 18:55.59 | wols | I meant stew. I have a ESD strap in the drawer 3m away from me :) |
| 18:56.01 | Mirkel | here goes: could anyone tell how to add a user to proftpd or edit one? |
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| 18:56.35 | wols | Mirkel: virtual ftp users or system users? |
| 18:57.04 | pickcoder | the best product complaint call has to be about solid rubber flooring being "easily tearable" |
| 18:57.13 | pickcoder | to find out they were running fork trucks all over it |
| 18:57.24 | Mirkel | wols, both |
| 18:57.52 | wols | systemusers: add a user as usual. possibly with /bin/false as shell |
| 18:58.30 | Mirkel | and virtual? |
| 18:59.23 | wols | you add a user into your SQL DB. maybe phpmyadmin or a special frontend |
| 18:59.34 | Mirkel | ill stick with system then |
| 18:59.58 | wols | maybe stop using ftp at all |
| 19:00.00 | wols | best outcome |
| 19:00.21 | kspath | use scp and sftp |
| 19:00.21 | wols | use sftp |
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| 19:01.02 | Mirkel | nah i need regular ftp for other people |
| 19:01.21 | xingu | kerberised nfs4 |
| 19:01.28 | xingu | because you know you're worth it |
| 19:01.31 | jintxo | Mirkel, I seem to remember if you set a shell such as /bin/false for those users so they can't log in to the system, you might have to add a "RequireValidShell false" directive to your conf file. this info could be outdated but if you set /bin/false for shell and you're users can't log in, that might be the problem |
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| 19:02.24 | Mirkel | this is not english |
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| 19:02.37 | Mirkel | for me at least |
| 19:02.40 | Mirkel | :D |
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| 19:04.01 | harry | I have checked out a project from SVN repository. I added my codes in a new folder, now when I do 'svn diff' for that, it says, svn: 'src/plugin/protocol-http11' is not under version control. How to fix this? |
| 19:04.05 | Mirkel | all i know: i installed proftp. configured the proftp.conf. restarted server. tryed to log in with local user username and password (from a different computer in lan) and that gave me login incorrect. |
| 19:04.37 | jetscreamer | hey so what's the fix for 'mouse doesn't work' with xorg 7.3 |
| 19:04.56 | dino4k | harry: svn add ;) ? |
| 19:05.17 | harry | I have checked out a project from SVN repository. I added my codes in a new folder, now when I do 'svn diff' for that, it says, svn: 'src/plugin/protocol-http11' is not under version control. How to fix this? |
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| 19:05.32 | jintxo | Mirkel, first pace to look would be the log file, I guess :-) |
| 19:05.34 | harry | dino4k, but I don't have add permission to the svn repository on the web |
| 19:05.48 | dino4k | harry: pls, dont flood the channel -.- |
| 19:05.57 | dino4k | asking once is enough |
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| 19:06.23 | bulio| | how can I change to apache2-default redirect to something else in etch? |
| 19:06.36 | wols | edit the config |
| 19:06.38 | harry | dino4k, sorry for that. i accidently copy pasted the same thing. I do not have add permission to the svn repostiroy. |
| 19:07.04 | bulio| | wols: which one? |
| 19:07.04 | dino4k | harry: so what do you want to do? svn add does only things localy |
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| 19:07.18 | dino4k | harry: until you invoce svn commit |
| 19:07.33 | harry | dino4k, thanks! i'll try it out. :-) |
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| 19:08.18 | wols | bulio|: cd /etc/apache2/;grep -r apache2-default * |
| 19:08.52 | bulio| | wols: what will that do? |
| 19:09.27 | harry | dino4k: thanks! that works like a charm! :-) you are bond. |
| 19:09.36 | dino4k | np |
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| 19:10.01 | wols | bulio|: tell you the ifle to edit |
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| 19:10.13 | harry | is it possible to generate 'svn diff' style patch using linux 'diff' command? |
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| 19:11.00 | dino4k | harry: is there a difference? |
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| 19:11.19 | valdyn | harry: i bet svn diff is using a specific option set with linux 'diff' command, read the manpage? |
| 19:11.20 | harry | dino4k: yes. I mean in the header |
| 19:11.21 | ciscoguru | :) |
| 19:11.28 | ciscoguru | FCS Check? |
| 19:11.33 | ciscoguru | No it is not a networking term, but it is |
| 19:11.38 | ciscoguru | a Fecal Cream Squeeze |
| 19:11.45 | dino4k | harry: you cant get "diff" to do this... it doesnt no about version control |
| 19:11.55 | harry | dino4k: the headers of 'svn diff' are neater, they automatically strip the top level project directory |
| 19:11.55 | dino4k | how should it :) maybe it is.... |
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| 19:12.06 | harry | dino4k: so we can use patch -p0 < patchfile |
| 19:12.18 | valdyn | harry: duh |
| 19:12.21 | harry | dino4k: but with 'diff' command, we almost always have to use patch -p1 < patchfile |
| 19:12.26 | corey_ | abrotman hello a-man |
| 19:12.30 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:12.37 | dino4k | that should be possible with diff too ;) but you cant get diff to put the rev and stuff into the header |
| 19:12.38 | harry | valdyn: ?? |
| 19:12.50 | corey_ | abrotman man I had to wipe my lappy again ;-( |
| 19:12.57 | abrotman | stop messing it up |
| 19:12.57 | valdyn | harry: that is simply because of how you invoke diff |
| 19:13.00 | harry | dino4k: that's ok! so how can I make 'diff' strip the top level project directory. |
| 19:13.20 | harry | valdyn: I read the diff man page but couldn't find any option to strip the top level project directory |
| 19:13.31 | corey_ | abrotman you use gnome right? Kde was making X freeze...might have to goto sid this time. |
| 19:14.18 | Ronin | corey_: or fix what was causing x to lock up |
| 19:14.40 | harry | also in a diff -Naur (recursive diff), the diff command before every header whereas in svn diff, it is a neat "Index: path/to/filename" instead. |
| 19:15.10 | Daveman | Hi Abrotman |
| 19:15.31 | dino4k | harry: uh, no clue about this |
| 19:15.33 | corey_ | Ronin yeah thanks...uhm did what should have worked...did no hardware cursor. Xfce ran fine switch to kde and, well I think when it would go into suspend or something.. |
| 19:16.04 | Ronin | corey_: point is if one cant get stable or testing to work moving to sid isn't a good idea |
| 19:16.26 | corey_ | Ronin think I need sid for nvidia source so maybe with kde4 I will have better luck |
| 19:17.21 | corey_ | Ronin usually but I need a newer kernel for my wifi and there is no nvidia source for lenny so well I might as well..I have ran sid before.... |
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| 19:17.37 | corey_ | Ronin would like etch to run but... |
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| 19:19.04 | tomacco | nvidia source? |
| 19:19.32 | tdn | I think I have some dependency problems here that prevents me from installing a kernel image. This is the output from the console (aptitude error at the bottom): http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P954.html. Any suggestions? |
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| 19:20.09 | valdyn | harry: cd sourcetree; diff -Nur ./ ./old ( or maybe vice versa ) |
| 19:20.49 | corey_ | tomacco yeah uhm lenny's nvidia mod is based off 2.18 need 2.20 |
| 19:21.12 | tomacco | why not just get the source from nvidia directly? |
| 19:21.20 | Thuryn | secret |
| 19:21.37 | corey_ | tomacco don't think it jives with module-assistant |
| 19:22.05 | stew | tdn: it looks like its trying to run update-grub becuase of /etc/kernel-img.conf ; but you don't have grub installed yet. do you intend to install grub? |
| 19:22.39 | stew | tdn: if so, install it, if not, remove the postinst/preinst hooks from kernel-img.conf, then dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:22.51 | tomacco | you guys do things the 'proper' way... ive never even heard of module assistant... |
| 19:23.18 | kritzstapf | h3sp4wn: how to refresh device.map as you said? |
| 19:23.27 | tdn | stew, I intend to install grub, yes. |
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| 19:23.48 | stew | tdn: try installing it now |
| 19:24.23 | valdyn | tomacco: using nvidias installer overwrites files owned by debian, that's broken. |
| 19:24.47 | tdn | stew, ok. And then run aptitude install linux-image-2.6-486 again? |
| 19:25.27 | corey_ | stew ! |
| 19:25.29 | stew | tdn: you sholdn't need to, its' already installed but not configured, so after installing grub, it should try to configure it again which would hopefully suceede after /sbin/update-grub is in place |
| 19:25.30 | corey_ | how are you |
| 19:25.30 | dpkg | mas o menos, corey_ |
| 19:25.36 | valdyn | tdn: that's rather pointless considering that package contains no files, only dependencies |
| 19:25.40 | corey_ | corey_ its mfrisch |
| 19:25.44 | stew | corey_: frazzled |
| 19:25.55 | corey_ | stew how's the company?>> |
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| 19:26.18 | abrotman | corey_: sid is likely to not help . but whatever |
| 19:26.21 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 19:26.22 | corey_ | stew that's nothing! people don't want me to set up my new lappy. |
| 19:26.32 | h3sp4wn | kritzstapf: just remove it and then run - grub --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map |
| 19:26.45 | Daveman | :) |
| 19:26.52 | Daveman | so, abrotman, did you freeze the other night? ;) |
| 19:27.08 | stew | corey_: you asked me to email you with advice but didn't give any indication about what kind of advice you were looking for. |
| 19:27.09 | abrotman | Daveman: i can afford blankets you know! |
| 19:27.16 | corey_ | abrotman hhm don't know..want kde4 thought I try but if I can get my wifi to work with 2.18 I may stick with lenny |
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| 19:27.54 | stew | corey_: if you were going to run lenny, why wouldn't you run the kernel in lenny? or if you are going to run an etch kernel, why not use etch? |
| 19:27.57 | corey_ | stew well I need to set up my lappy to get my email on a regular basis...any advice will do ;-) |
| 19:28.02 | tdn | stew, I am trying to install grub, but now I get another error. Updated console output here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P955.html |
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| 19:28.19 | infernix | i'm trying to mount an nfs share, but it returns "can't read superblock". how odd is that |
| 19:28.45 | stew | tdn: zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 19:28.49 | corey_ | stew was wondering if you have been following my progess? |
| 19:28.56 | stew | corey_: not at all |
| 19:29.12 | Daveman | abrotman ;p |
| 19:29.24 | abrotman | or lack of progress |
| 19:29.26 | corey_ | stew where are you from I never asked? |
| 19:29.37 | stew | corey_: if you want my recommendation on a machine to just retrieve email, i'd recommend stable, not lenny |
| 19:29.39 | tdn | stew, could you be a bit more specific? |
| 19:29.50 | infernix | argh!@#!#% its the damned locking. why on earth did suse 10.2 use kstatd >.< |
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| 19:30.11 | corey_ | abrotman been to busy messing with other stuff lately |
| 19:30.11 | stew | tdn: use the command "zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz" to get the debian specific instructions on installing grub |
| 19:30.28 | stew | corey_: i live in brooklyn |
| 19:30.38 | corey_ | stew aah..cool. |
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| 19:31.24 | h3sp4wn | surely there is a way to disable - CONFIG_BRIDGE_NETFILTER=y simply on a debian kernel |
| 19:31.24 | utopia_ | brooklyn == da bronx? |
| 19:31.29 | corey_ | stew been once. |
| 19:31.34 | abrotman | stew: in illinois ? |
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| 19:31.37 | wols | h3sp4wn: yes.recompile :P |
| 19:31.38 | corey_ | utopia_ ah NO |
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| 19:31.59 | tdn | stew, "thanks". It's not that I do not want to read documentation, but I don't see how this README helps me with this error. I know it details how to install grub, but it does not explain why aptitude fails. |
| 19:32.04 | stew | utopia_: brooklyn and the bronx are two distinct boroughs in NYC |
| 19:32.13 | utopia_ | ahh :) |
| 19:32.28 | stew | tdn: update-grub is failing becuase you havent run grub-isntall yet |
| 19:32.36 | shutdownrunner | has anyone here got any idea when gnome 2.20 is available in SID or at least experimental? |
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| 19:32.46 | stew | tdn: grub-install* ; and that documentation tells you how you would run it |
| 19:32.54 | jetscreamer | xserver-xorg-input-mouse doesn't seem to get installed by default |
| 19:32.58 | utopia_ | shutdownrunner, no but the guys on irc.gnome.org might know |
| 19:33.00 | jetscreamer | during the upgrade |
| 19:33.06 | h3sp4wn | shutdownrunner: going by what has happened in the past after ubuntu releases |
| 19:33.41 | tdn | stew, but I haven't installed grub before I ran aptitude install grub, how would I have been able to run grub-install before? |
| 19:33.44 | corey_ | abrotman I been using noirq as a kernel command but sometimes it tells me to use irqpoll what should I be doing? |
| 19:33.47 | shutdownrunner | h3sp4wn: I don't understand what you mean. sorry |
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| 19:33.58 | abrotman | shutdownrunner: it hasn't even been released from gnome.org yet |
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| 19:34.34 | stew | tdn: you wouldn't have |
| 19:34.34 | wAndyw78 | Hi all |
| 19:34.55 | h3sp4wn | shutdownrunner: after the release of ubuntu whatever their next release is then the maintainer will upload it to Debian |
| 19:35.03 | shutdownrunner | I know. But I'm just curious, because there's been some change in debian's management and I'm wondering whether this will speed-up things like updating gnome packages in debian |
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| 19:35.08 | kritzstapf | is there an etch-repo holding ntfs-3g or do i have to download debs manually? |
| 19:35.11 | abrotman | shutdownrunner: how could a DD possibly guesstimate the release of 2.20 when gnome.org hasn't released it yet? |
| 19:35.14 | stew | kritzstapf: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:35.15 | h3sp4wn | shutdownrunner: (that has happened twice that I noticed) |
| 19:35.15 | tdn | stew, ? |
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| 19:35.26 | peterS | kritzstapf: see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for the etch-backports entry |
| 19:35.27 | jetscreamer | !tell kritzstapf -about backports |
| 19:35.32 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 19:35.37 | stew | tdn: you wouldn't have been able to run grub-install before you installed the grub package. is that what you were asking? |
| 19:35.42 | kritzstapf | thanks :) |
| 19:35.51 | peterS | it's nice that the packages.debian.org people added querying of bpo |
| 19:35.56 | stew | yeah, fancy |
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| 19:36.09 | shutdownrunner | abrotman: The date is already set. Tarballs are due today, so I guess that guesstimating is quite possible |
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| 19:36.13 | tdn | stew, yes. But didn't you just say that aptitude install grub was failing because I haven't run grub-install? |
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| 19:36.28 | faemir | can someone tell me what desktop environments each debian version uses and whether they can use any other very well? |
| 19:36.34 | faemir | which * |
| 19:36.34 | h3sp4wn | shutdownrunner: Do you know how many packages it is |
| 19:36.37 | stew | tdn: no, i didn't. configuring of your kernel is failing becuase you haveing run grub-install |
| 19:36.41 | valdyn | faemir: can use any of you choice |
| 19:36.44 | peterS | faemir: what desktop environment did you have in mind? each debian release supports several |
| 19:37.03 | faemir | Gnome, it's just that I tried sidux and it doesn't like Gnome. |
| 19:37.09 | tdn | stew, okay. But aptitude install grub is failing too. |
| 19:37.10 | corey_ | stew I been using noirq as a kernel command but sometimes it tells me to use irqpoll what should I be doing? |
| 19:37.23 | peterS | faemir: every debian release supports gnome. the exact version of gnome depends on the release, naturally |
| 19:37.25 | tdn | stew, that's what happens in the updated paste, I linked to. |
| 19:37.27 | stew | tdn: not from the log you showed me |
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| 19:37.36 | stew | corey_: i don't know |
| 19:37.47 | faemir | peterS, excellent, thanks =D |
| 19:37.59 | corey_ | BYE ALL |
| 19:38.04 | stew | tdn: not the the updated paste. it said there were problems with the two kernel packages, not grub |
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| 19:38.27 | h3sp4wn | shutdownrunner: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
| 19:38.29 | tdn | stew, hmm... So it's because it is trying to configure the kernel packages once more, when I run aptitude install grub? |
| 19:38.31 | wAndyw78 | I have often read that apt-get and aptitude shouldn't be mixed. Why? Where do the problems appear? |
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| 19:38.57 | jetscreamer | yes, xserver-xorg-input-mouse doesn't get installed by default during the upgrade to 7.3 in sid... so the fix is apt-get install it, when your mouse doesn't work |
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| 19:39.02 | faemir | wAndyw78, i am know expert, but I've never had any problems mixing them |
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| 19:39.08 | faemir | no * |
| 19:39.10 | valdyn | wAndyw78: aptitude has an extra package meta information DB, mixing its usage with apt-get will just confuse you |
| 19:39.21 | stew | tdn: yes |
| 19:39.32 | Zach | how can i fix this warning: "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libpango1.0-0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 19:39.32 | Zach | " |
| 19:39.42 | Zach | sorry for the extra line break :/ |
| 19:39.44 | peterS | valdyn: not in sid ... at least, the auto-install flag has moved into apt proper |
| 19:39.47 | wAndyw78 | valdyn: only confuse me or confuse the sytem too ? |
| 19:39.50 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:39.58 | valdyn | wAndyw78: just you, and what peterS said |
| 19:39.58 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 19:39.58 | peterS | TrueDD: en anglais, svp (: |
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| 19:40.09 | tdn | stew, ok. Thanks. |
| 19:40.36 | wAndyw78 | valdyn: Okay, that you. |
| 19:40.56 | jetscreamer | Zach: ignore it iirc ... ymmv |
| 19:41.02 | TrueDD | yes, I know peterS :) |
| 19:41.04 | wAndyw78 | thank you... |
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| 19:41.27 | tdn | stew, I am trying to run grub-install "(hd1)". I want to boot from hdc. It gives me this error: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 19:41.50 | valdyn | wAndyw78: circumstantioally aptitude would remove packages without users understanding why and they would come here to complain, a simple aptitude install <package> would have fixed that. That's the issue we're talking about. |
| 19:42.16 | Zach | ok i'll just ignore it until it gives me more problems |
| 19:42.20 | Zach | thanks, jetscreamer |
| 19:42.24 | valdyn | wAndyw78: ..and a consquence of mixing it with different package managers |
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| 19:43.01 | stew | tdn: you need to "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" from outside the chroot so that the /dev directory in the chroot is populated, and run "mount /proc ; mount /sys" inside the chroot |
| 19:43.16 | tdn | stew, oh. Of course. Thanks. |
| 19:43.28 | valdyn | or just --bind sys and proc |
| 19:43.31 | stew | right |
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| 19:43.43 | wAndyw78 | valdyn: Okay, i used them parallel the last times and never had problems, but I read often "Don't mix them"... |
| 19:43.52 | zozofr | does someone know how ro mount a nfs partitiion with iso-8859 encoding on a utf-8 client |
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| 19:43.55 | valdyn | tdn: and a few more for X in a chroot |
| 19:44.04 | tdn | valdyn, don't need X. |
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| 19:44.26 | jetscreamer | dpkg chrootgrub is <reply> you need to "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" from outside the chroot so that the /dev directory in the chroot is populated, and run "mount /proc ; mount /sys" inside the chroot .... thus spake stew |
| 19:44.26 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 19:44.29 | thelostbutler | hello folks if i need to upgrade from mysql 4.0 to mysql 4.1 on a sarge system. would i just do apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 ? would the post install scripts take care of the upgrade and not affect the tables ? |
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| 19:45.16 | valdyn | !info mysql-server sarge |
| 19:45.18 | stew | dpkg chrootgrub =~ s/.... thus spake stew// |
| 19:45.19 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 19:45.19 | valdyn | !info mysql-server etch |
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| 19:45.26 | stew | i'm happy to not be nick hilighted on that one |
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| 19:45.43 | faemir | If i'm to download etch, and the DVD edition, what do the 3 DVDs contain? as that is a lot of data |
| 19:45.46 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 3560 kB, Installed size: 8344 kB |
| 19:45.50 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.32-7etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 19:45.53 | jetscreamer | :) i didn't think of that one, stew.. good point |
| 19:45.55 | tdn | stew, valdyn: I still get this error when trying to run grub-install "(hd1)": Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 19:46.00 | valdyn | faemir: more than you need |
| 19:46.02 | wfq_ | hi guys |
| 19:46.25 | valdyn | tdn: grub-install --recheck |
| 19:46.29 | valdyn | tdn: grub-install --recheck <device> |
| 19:46.56 | wAndyw78 | faemir: I made the experience, that the first CD ist the only thing I need for a new installation |
| 19:47.06 | valdyn | tdn: might want to check df output too, if it makes sense / is correct |
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| 19:47.13 | tdn | valdyn, I get the same error. |
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| 19:47.32 | tdn | valdyn, df shows no partitions. |
| 19:47.45 | tdn | valdyn, / is not mounted. |
| 19:47.52 | wfq_ | should I use scsi hard disk to set up a backup server where will expect many servers writing at the same time or a SATA would support the speed required for a couple of Gbit eth? |
| 19:47.52 | valdyn | tdn: so grub-instal has a hard time figuring out where /boot is |
| 19:47.56 | wAndyw78 | faemir: So I think it if sufficient when you only have the first DVD. But you can grab the jigdo files an look which packages are included |
| 19:48.00 | tdn | valdyn, I have just chrooted into a system I installed with debootstrap. |
| 19:48.07 | valdyn | tdn: yes, i know |
| 19:48.21 | tdn | valdyn, then should I mount / from inside the chroot? |
| 19:48.24 | gnu_poo_poo | do you think you might be over the top, nothing like people asking how come linux has unprofessional names like "Iceweasel" |
| 19:48.29 | valdyn | tdn: grub-install needs to know the 'physical' location of /boot/ |
| 19:48.33 | zozofr | does someone know how ro mount a nfs partitiion with iso-8859 encoding on a utf-8 client |
| 19:48.42 | faemir | wAndyw78, how do I see what files are on the other DVDs? |
| 19:49.06 | faemir | I also presume that the other DVDs just have more packages on? |
| 19:49.15 | valdyn | tdn: whatever fixes your /etc/mtab so grub-install knows where /boot is |
| 19:49.17 | wAndyw78 | !cd packages |
| 19:49.46 | xingu | wfq_: personally I'd suggest a minimum of 4 HDD's in a raid10 config |
| 19:49.50 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 19:49.50 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 19:50.06 | tdn | valdyn, sorry, I am not sure how to do that. |
| 19:50.47 | valdyn | tdn: man mtab, read /proc/mounts, read a valid mtab from your main system ( to learn ) |
| 19:50.49 | xingu | wfq_: if your sata supports ncq there won't be much to pick and choose between scsi320 and sata |
| 19:51.02 | simonrvn | tarzeau: you awake? |
| 19:51.04 | wAndyw78 | faemir: dpkg has answered your question, or have a look at www.debian.org/CD/faq/#search-for-package |
| 19:51.04 | thelostbutler | valdyn: any thougts on the mysql upgrade? |
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| 19:51.31 | tdn | valdyn, yes, I already tried to read the man page, but it says not man page for mtab. |
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| 19:51.37 | valdyn | thelostbutler: i dont see mysql 4.1 supported on any debian release, is it? |
| 19:51.52 | faemir | Also, which would be better (or would it make no difference) downloading stable then upgrading to testing, or downloading testing? |
| 19:52.07 | valdyn | faemir: like you are asking you should use stable |
| 19:52.59 | faemir | nah, i'm pretty sure i'm gonna use testing, but i'm wondering whether it makes a difference changing the repos names |
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| 19:53.05 | zozofr | does someone know how ro mount a nfs partitiion with iso-8859 encoding on a utf-8 client or maybe it's not possible |
| 19:53.06 | thelostbutler | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mysql-server-4.1&searchon=names&suite=oldstable§ion=all |
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| 19:53.28 | tarzeau | simonrvn: yep? |
| 19:53.30 | valdyn | thelostbutler: debian wont kill your databases |
| 19:53.39 | stew | tdn: is /boot a separate partition from / ? |
| 19:53.55 | valdyn | thelostbutler: i dont know what exactly it will do, be it you having to convert manually or no adjustment being needed at all or whatever |
| 19:53.56 | faemir | valdyn, as it would be nice to have the stable dvd, but I was wondering whether I should get both because repos changing is bad? |
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| 19:54.05 | tdn | stew, no. /boot is located on /. |
| 19:54.18 | pickcoder | wfq_: do you need extremely fast random I/O? |
| 19:54.19 | valdyn | faemir: a full debian dvd is pointless |
| 19:54.28 | stew | tdn: try 'grub-install /dev/whatever --root-directory=/' |
| 19:54.35 | wfq_ | xingu, I don't understand what you mean |
| 19:54.39 | proog | how do i start a console program (rtorrent) every time debian starts? |
| 19:54.52 | valdyn | faemir: there's netinstall and the first cdrom, you dont need more, unless you really want to waste bandwidth |
| 19:54.56 | thelostbutler | valdyn: ok thanks |
| 19:54.58 | defrysk | faemir, just do a lenny net-install |
| 19:55.12 | faemir | defrysk, a link would be very welcome ;) |
| 19:55.19 | defrysk | geez |
| 19:55.19 | tdn | stew, it gives me: Could not find device for //boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 19:55.20 | faemir | and is the net install fully supported now? |
| 19:55.27 | simonrvn | tarzeau: got any suggestions of a *good* video editor? i've tried cinelerra, which won't even take my input, openmovieeditor, which crashes when i scroll in the media selector, and won't take videos with video sample rates other than 25, and piviti or whatever, which will only display the thumbnail of my video |
| 19:55.45 | defrysk | faemir, its in testing, there is a daily snapshot i believe |
| 19:55.54 | simonrvn | what a fricking PITA |
| 19:56.08 | valdyn | faemir: why dont you read the docs? why do you think that a beta / testing release would ever be supported at all? |
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| 19:56.24 | wAndyw78 | faemir: I've used the netinst several times without any problem. But you will never know.... |
| 19:56.37 | valdyn | faemir: it often works fine, its not supported |
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| 19:56.57 | faemir | I just thought that I saw on /. that it was supported now :| |
| 19:57.03 | faemir | not that i trust /. |
| 19:57.19 | valdyn | faemir: netinstall / STABLE is supported for years |
| 19:57.40 | faemir | and the debian website is a bit complex to find stuff anyhow. |
| 19:57.45 | valdyn | faemir: testing is a special 'beta testing' branch of debian |
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| 19:57.53 | tdn | stew, any idea why? |
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| 19:58.03 | defrysk | faemir, maybe ubuntu is better for you |
| 19:58.12 | stew | tdn: my guess is that it is trying to find the info in mtab intead of sysfs |
| 19:58.17 | faemir | defrysk, i've used linux for 6 years ._. |
| 19:58.27 | solar_ant | my system gets dead slow , how do i track what is making it slow |
| 19:58.36 | defrysk | faemir, so ? |
| 19:58.39 | stew | simonrvn: i have no idea, but how about kino? |
| 19:58.41 | valdyn | i see this 'getting debian' link on debian.org |
| 19:58.45 | tdn | stew, what do I do then? |
| 19:58.53 | pickcoder | wfq_: http://managedflash.com/newproducts/index.htm |
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| 19:59.01 | wAndyw78 | defrysk: that was mean.... |
| 19:59.07 | faemir | defrysk, so, i presume that because of my statement about the website being overly complex made you assume that I was new to linux perhaps? |
| 19:59.28 | defrysk | no I assume you need your hand held.... |
| 19:59.41 | valdyn | faemir: click on the "Getting Debian" hyperlink |
| 19:59.42 | faemir | but it definitely /is/ overly complex. for instance finding the testing jigdo, though that may be deliberately harder to find. |
| 20:00.00 | valdyn | faemir: testing jigdo is hard to find because testing is unsupported |
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| 20:00.03 | simonrvn | stew: i'll try it, but it seems it's only for dv cameras ... |
| 20:00.09 | faemir | I thought as much |
| 20:00.15 | pickcoder | faemir: unfortunately, you have to actually read the pages on debian.org to find something |
| 20:00.17 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 20:00.21 | stew | simonrvn: honestly, i have no idea. |
| 20:00.48 | stew | tdn: try editing mtab, i guess, i'm not sure |
| 20:00.55 | pickcoder | it was confusing to me for a while, but I was just scanning the pages |
| 20:01.05 | pickcoder | looking for links |
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| 20:01.40 | tarzeau | simonrvn: jashaka? |
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| 20:02.03 | tdn | stew, but what do I write in mtab? Should I just copy /proc/mounts from the host system (the system from which I chrooted from)? |
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| 20:02.30 | valdyn | tdn: /boot is where? |
| 20:03.15 | valdyn | tdn: it needs to match 'reality', your mtab, we cant just tell you to 'copy' because we cant have a clue if that matches |
| 20:03.34 | defrysk | faemir, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 20:03.48 | tdn | valdyn, it depends which /boot you mean. Of course the host system (the system from which I chrooted from) does have a /boot that works. But I think you mean the one on the system I chrooted INTO. This system should have everythin on the same partition. |
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| 20:04.01 | simonrvn | tarzeau: not in debian |
| 20:04.05 | simonrvn | tarzeau: AFAICT |
| 20:04.12 | valdyn | tdn: right, i mean that one where grub-install is not working |
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| 20:04.39 | tarzeau | simonrvn: yeah get the source and install it yourself? or find me a sponsor? there's more than an ITP for it |
| 20:04.40 | faemir | defrysk, also, out of curiosity, why did you recommend ubuntu over debian? |
| 20:04.52 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i myself have about 20 packages pretty much ready for sponsoring |
| 20:05.02 | defrysk | faemir, its a bit easyer to use |
| 20:05.14 | simonrvn | tarzeau: holy |
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| 20:05.37 | tdn | valdyn, okay. Well... I have two discs: /dev/hda and /dev/hdc. The host system is installed on hda1. The debootstrap system is installed on hdc1. Hdc does only have one partiton. |
| 20:05.43 | valdyn | tdn: /dev/sdj4 / ext3 defaults 0 0 or whatever. I defenitely dont know why you cannot 'interpret' values of your working mtab and understand |
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| 20:06.07 | faemir | defrysk, and the disadvantages of using it as opposed to debian? |
| 20:06.29 | defrysk | faemir, its a bit "dumbed down" |
| 20:06.45 | wAndyw78 | defrysk: I have 2 Ubuntu Feisty Fawn at work, one etch and 2 lenny at home. (PC and Notebooks) but I can't see the advantage from ubuntu over debian |
| 20:06.48 | faemir | hahaha |
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| 20:07.12 | defrysk | wAndyw78, easyer for faemir was what I ment |
| 20:07.37 | faemir | in what way? |
| 20:07.57 | pickcoder | plus, you can't go wrong with #debian |
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| 20:08.44 | faemir | and, surely by using a more challenging distro gets you learning about it quicker? |
| 20:08.47 | defrysk | ubuntu has less help pages thus less confutteling |
| 20:09.26 | defrysk | In the long run Debian is always better |
| 20:10.29 | defrysk | for a learning curve I would advise to install Gentoo |
| 20:10.36 | defrysk | starting from stage1 |
| 20:10.42 | faemir | for my learning curve I used slackware |
| 20:10.57 | faemir | that was... interesting. |
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| 20:11.13 | defrysk | must have been crazy then |
| 20:11.13 | faemir | =] |
| 20:11.18 | defrysk | ahwell |
| 20:11.33 | faemir | defrysk, the harder you work for something, the more satisfying it is at the end of it ;] |
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| 20:13.12 | valdyn | !dfs |
| 20:13.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 20:13.21 | valdyn | hehe |
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| 20:13.29 | valdyn | 'new' from 2004 |
| 20:13.44 | faemir | XD |
| 20:13.51 | valdyn | dpkg: dfs s/a new/an/ |
| 20:13.54 | solar_ant | my system crawls |
| 20:13.56 | tdn | valdyn, what do I need to look for in my working mtab? |
| 20:13.57 | hopecon | So ... I'm getting one of these fancy core2 processors in a couple of days, and my current installation is amd64. Should I stick with amd64 or reinstall debian with just 32bit programs? |
| 20:13.57 | solar_ant | someone help ! |
| 20:14.10 | valdyn | tdn: plenty examples |
| 20:14.12 | hopecon | I could avoid the terrible chroot mess that amd64 gives me, but at a performance loss? |
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| 20:14.21 | tdn | valdyn, I think I need this: /dev/hdc1 /data ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0 |
| 20:14.29 | valdyn | tdn: very nice |
| 20:14.42 | solar_ant | top shows that my memory is not full niether is my processing heavey |
| 20:14.49 | valdyn | tdn: the errors=remount-ro is irrelevent for grub-install though, but it doesnt hurt |
| 20:14.54 | tdn | valdyn, that is from the working mtab on the host system. Do I need to change that to: /dev/hdc1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0, and insert it into /etc/mtab on the debootstrab system? |
| 20:15.16 | valdyn | tdn: yea |
| 20:15.21 | tdn | valdyn, ok. Thanks. |
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| 20:17.13 | tdn | valdyn, not grub-install works! Thanks :) |
| 20:17.27 | defrysk | now* |
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| 20:17.52 | Szeraax | hi |
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| 20:18.43 | tomacco | hi. |
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| 20:19.04 | Thomsen | Is webmin not in Debian? |
| 20:19.33 | tomacco | not that i see |
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| 20:19.39 | stew | Thomsen: no, it was removed becuase it had a bad security track record and after being orphaned for a year, nobody was willing to maintain it |
| 20:19.42 | Szeraax | I downloaded a driver and extracted it, used make, and used make install. All worked without fail. but i cant insmod or modprobe any of the 4 modules that i need to load (for my WG111v2 with rtl8180 chipset need to load the r8180.ko module) |
| 20:19.43 | defrysk | not in my repo |
| 20:19.55 | Thomsen | Okay, just wondering |
| 20:20.09 | tomacco | szeraax, where did the modules install to? |
| 20:20.24 | stew | Thomsen: the webmin authors are willing to maintain it, but the packages submitted indicated they didn't have a clue about debian |
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| 20:20.44 | Szeraax | tomacco, where should i look for that info? in that folder? in the makefile? |
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| 20:21.14 | BarryAllen | hi all.... |
| 20:21.16 | tomacco | could be in the makefile... worst case you can go to / and 'find -iname <module>' |
| 20:21.23 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: What means "can't modprobe" is there a message "can't find module xxx" |
| 20:21.35 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, yeah |
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| 20:21.51 | BarryAllen | can i run debootstrap --arch amd64 on a 32 bits system? im trying to create an nfsroot, for remote instalations... |
| 20:21.56 | Szeraax | 'sudo mdoprobe r8180' >> cant find module r8180 |
| 20:21.59 | ciscoguru | (BREAKING NEWS)(AP/REUTERS) - Iran has just launched a nuclear assault against Tel Aviv Israel. Reuters is receiving reports over the wire of up to 2 million deaths. Russias President Vladimir Putin is quoted as saying, "If The United States defends Israel in this sovereign struggle between Iran and Israel, Russia will use the full force of its military to defend Iran. Details Soon. |
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| 20:22.22 | tomacco | ???? |
| 20:22.41 | valdyn | ciscoguru: OFF TOPIC |
| 20:22.43 | Thomsen | Anyone knows if it's possible for future created files to have curtain permissions? |
| 20:22.49 | tomacco | yeah, but kinda important |
| 20:22.56 | faemir | ciscoguru, try #news or #breakingnews |
| 20:22.56 | Szeraax | Thomsen, yeah |
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| 20:23.01 | dkr | Thomsen: set your umask |
| 20:23.03 | zewb | DCC SEND LINUXUSERSHAVENECKBEARDS 0 0 0 |
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| 20:23.41 | dino4k | wtf o.O |
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| 20:24.24 | dino4k | ciscoguru: (bad) joke? spam? |
| 20:24.29 | Thomsen | dkr: I do that on the parent directory? |
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| 20:24.35 | Szeraax | tomacco, so where should i look for the modules? or where should i look to find where they are located? |
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| 20:24.44 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: you can run updatedb ant then locate to find the module, or have a look at the makefile |
| 20:24.47 | tomacco | could be in the makefile... worst case you can go to / and 'find -iname <module>' |
| 20:25.05 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, ok, gimme sec |
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| 20:27.00 | tiny | Hello! |
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| 20:28.14 | tiny | Is there some script to finish debootstrap process to a certain device? I'd like to finish with putting bootloader and kernel on it. If possible default ones from current stable. |
| 20:28.24 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: btw: which driver source did you download where? |
| 20:28.25 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, tomacco /lib/modules/2.6.../kernel/net/wireless |
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| 20:29.30 | tiny | I can always cp and run grub ... just wondering if someone thought of this and made things scriptable or something. |
| 20:29.30 | tomacco | is the 2.6..... your kernel version? |
| 20:29.43 | Szeraax | tomacco, yeah 2.6.18-5-686 (etch) |
| 20:29.46 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: did you run depmod |
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| 20:29.57 | dkr | Thomsen: no, you set your umask in your shell startup script. e.g. if you use bash ~/.bashrc |
| 20:29.58 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, nop |
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| 20:30.00 | Szeraax | e |
| 20:30.00 | Hweran | buenas |
| 20:30.04 | tomacco | dot hat |
| 20:30.05 | tomacco | do that |
| 20:30.12 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, tomacco yeah... whoops.. |
| 20:30.31 | wAndyw78 | tomacco is toamto and tobacco? |
| 20:30.33 | \amethyst | tiny: maybe debootstrap --second-stage ? |
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| 20:30.57 | wAndyw78 | tomato&tobacco |
| 20:31.04 | tomacco | yes ;) |
| 20:31.15 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: What means "whoops" ? |
| 20:31.22 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, didnt do depmod |
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| 20:31.33 | \amethyst | tiny: or chroot into it and install the kernel and grub packages |
| 20:31.34 | Thomsen | dkr: I see. The setup is this: A servers exports a directory though NFS wich I mount on my desktop. When I create new files from my desktop, I would like them to be rwx for both user and group. Is that possible? |
| 20:31.45 | tiny | \amethyst: that didn't worked ... I tried it ... yes I'll just chroot and do that |
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| 20:32.10 | \amethyst | tiny: yeah, just looked it up and --second-stage doesn't install a bootleader |
| 20:32.28 | tiny | \amethyst: cool, ty anyway |
| 20:32.52 | \amethyst | tiny: did you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en ? |
| 20:33.15 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, tomacco yes, the modules load, but the card is still sit0 |
| 20:33.17 | \amethyst | tiny: it's the debootstrap section of the IG |
| 20:33.44 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: dmesg... |
| 20:33.49 | Szeraax | actually, i dont think that the interface added when i plugged it in... |
| 20:33.51 | dkr | Thomsen: yes, via the method I mentioned. (this is the same way you would made files group writable on your local machine, btw) |
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| 20:34.03 | \amethyst | tiny: D.3.4 and following are the parts you need to do after running debootstrap |
| 20:34.20 | tiny | \amethyst: nope ... I didn't think there was a whole section on debootstrap in IG ... I'll check it out |
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| 20:35.57 | tdn | When trying to install grub, I get this question: "Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N)". But when I type y[enter], nothing happens. I have tried stracing the process, and I can see that it stops at "read(0, ", but nothing happens in the strace when I answer the question. It seems that the process does not get the "y" that I am sending to it. |
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| 20:36.41 | smhar | I need a little help with apt-proxy.. I configured it in the server and the client but I an not get them to work |
| 20:36.45 | \amethyst | tdn: is DEBIAN_FRONTEND set? |
| 20:37.02 | tdn | \amethyst, I do not know. |
| 20:37.04 | Szeraax | tomacco, wAndyw78 relavant part of dmesg http://pastebin.com/d48932aa7 |
| 20:37.08 | tdn | \amethyst, what should it be set to? |
| 20:37.10 | \amethyst | tdn: echo $DEBIAN_FRONTEND |
| 20:37.15 | \amethyst | tdn: it should probably not be set |
| 20:37.35 | tdn | \amethyst, well... I have not set it. |
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| 20:37.40 | tdn | \amethyst, it is not set. |
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| 20:38.12 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 20:38.21 | Szeraax | tdn, what happens when you say no? |
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| 20:39.00 | pickcoder | tdn: did you update-grub first? |
| 20:39.06 | fas3r | i have a problem with freeradius eap/tls someone use it ? ... if you prefer i have no error in log files ... i have test to regenerate certificat but don't work .. |
| 20:39.20 | tdn | pickcoder, no. Should I? |
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| 20:39.31 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: you are using http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ ? |
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| 20:39.37 | fas3r | i go to pastebin log if you want to see |
| 20:39.37 | Szeraax | yes |
| 20:39.41 | Thomsen | dkr: .bashrc is run when I connect though NFS? |
| 20:39.46 | pickcoder | tdn: are you in a chroot? |
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| 20:39.55 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, i wanted to use this older one so i can use master mode |
| 20:39.58 | tdn | Szeraax, nothing happens. It does not read what I type. |
| 20:40.00 | Thomsen | dkr: Wait, should I edit that file on the server or on the desktop (sorry, I'm quite new to this) |
| 20:40.01 | tdn | pickcoder, yes I am. |
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| 20:40.29 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, this card work wonderfully using my Back|track 2 cd which is using this driver too |
| 20:40.40 | simonrvn | Sp1kY: test |
| 20:40.41 | Sp1kY | Braced |
| 20:40.46 | pickcoder | I'm not sure then |
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| 20:40.52 | bopjksvysa | GNAA_irc_gnaa_us_#gnaa |
| 20:40.52 | patbynf | GNAA_irc_gnaa_us_#gnaa |
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| 20:40.57 | Sp1kY | Oh shi- |
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| 20:41.00 | twpcehb | GNAA_irc_gnaa_us_#gnaa |
| 20:41.02 | simonrvn | !ops GNAA spam |
| 20:41.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: GNAA spam |
| 20:41.03 | Sp1kY | Fail |
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| 20:41.19 | \amethyst | pickcoder: what if you set DEBIAN_FRONTEND to readline ? |
| 20:41.38 | tdn | pickcoder, I think it helped when I ran update-grub. |
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| 20:41.49 | \amethyst | pickcoder: export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline then run the install |
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| 20:42.29 | pickcoder | noninteractive |
| 20:42.39 | pickcoder | won't ask those questions |
| 20:42.45 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, sorry i forgot to tell you where i was getting my driver |
| 20:43.28 | dkr | Thomsen: when you mount a dir via nfs, it makes it seem like the remote directory is on your local system, so you want to modify your umask on your local system |
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| 20:43.40 | Thomsen | dkr: ok, thanks |
| 20:43.52 | wAndyw78 | szeraax: arc4 loaded? |
| 20:44.20 | smhar | ok I think I have a more serious problem.. during an ssh session to the server I did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade and reboot and now the server is not booting to debian.. it gives an error: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or director |
| 20:44.33 | smhar | a similar error is on Mounting /proc on /root/proc |
| 20:44.44 | smhar | and 'Target filesystem doesn't have /sbnit/init |
| 20:44.45 | simonrvn | i suspect Sp1kY had soemthing to do with the GNAA spam, he came in shortly before the bots did |
| 20:44.49 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, yes |
| 20:44.50 | smhar | please help |
| 20:44.54 | simonrvn | !ops i suspect Sp1kY had soemthing to do with the GNAA spam, he came in shortly before the bots did |
| 20:44.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: i suspect Sp1kY had soemthing to do with the GNAA spam, he came in shortly before the bots did |
| 20:45.32 | vin` | simonrvn: chill dude :) |
| 20:45.38 | stew | i'm not going to ban him based on suspicioun |
| 20:45.43 | stew | even if i can't spel it |
| 20:45.46 | simonrvn | i am chill |
| 20:45.47 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, umm, my chipset _actually_ might be rtl8187 but i am not sure. i thought it was rtl8180 |
| 20:46.02 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: Sorry that I ask, but how often did you have compiled and installed a module? |
| 20:46.02 | simonrvn | stew: i know, but it's suspect to me |
| 20:46.10 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: lspci? |
| 20:46.13 | stew | ok |
| 20:46.17 | Szeraax | i normally use module assistant |
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| 20:47.02 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, its a usb wireless. do you want lspci or lsusb? |
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| 20:47.39 | Anthro | I was doing a dist-upgrade (testing) and noticed that it wanted to remove modutils. Is there a replacement package? |
| 20:48.03 | chops | Anthro: module-init-tools, since ages ago |
| 20:48.04 | stew | Anthro: module-init-tools |
| 20:48.06 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: okay, didn't know that... update-usbids and lsusb, then you should be able to get the used chipset... |
| 20:48.13 | chops | Anthro: I think modutils is still used for 2.4 kernels |
| 20:48.32 | wAndyw78 | Steraax: But due to the fact that there is no error in dmesg, I think the module got propper loaded |
| 20:49.04 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: ifconfig -a does not show your card? |
| 20:49.24 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, http://pastebin.com/d11afa692 |
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| 20:49.47 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 20:49.49 | solar_ant | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.49 | solar_ant | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:50.04 | solar_ant | how can increase the lousy 10.84 mb / sec ?? |
| 20:50.11 | Anthro | chops,stew: thanks |
| 20:50.23 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, well, since i installed that driver, when i boot (with or without the usb card in) my ifconfig has sit0. when I plus it in, no new interfaces are added |
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| 20:51.08 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, when I plug it in* |
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| 20:52.33 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: Seems to be a RTL8187 |
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| 20:53.12 | Szeraax | yeah, i just noticed that it may be that |
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| 20:53.57 | Szeraax | how do i remove a driver? |
| 20:53.59 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: And you are sure that the uses driver supports RTL8187 ? I asked you which driver you are using... |
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| 20:54.52 | Szeraax | I looked up WG111v2 realtek and i was pointed toward rtl8180 for my chipset with the driver r8180 but i was just looking around some more and i also found rtl8187 |
| 20:55.13 | wAndyw78 | Szeraax: This one? http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:55.15 | Szeraax | but i _am_ using 8180. so i think i need to get rid of 8180 and get r8187 |
| 20:55.22 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, yes, that one |
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| 20:57.12 | jelly-home | solar_ant: is it a PATA device? you can try enabling DMA (hdparm -d1 /dev/hd?) if it's not already enabled. |
| 20:57.29 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, actually, somehow, the first driver i installed was rtl8180-sa2400-dev-fix |
| 20:57.44 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, for 6.17 |
| 20:57.50 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, awww crap |
| 20:58.18 | Szeraax | yeah, need to get rid of that (i use 2.6.18) |
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| 20:58.54 | tarzeau | what a pity debian still doesn't have wx2.8 packages |
| 20:58.56 | solar_ant | jelly-home: whats a PATA ? DMA is enabled |
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| 20:59.15 | jelly-home | solar_ant: parallel ATA. /dev/hd* devices. |
| 20:59.36 | solar_ant | yeah jelly-home |
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| 20:59.46 | family | http://www.pastebin.ca/701101 help |
| 21:00.05 | solar_ant | i want to get out of debian , itsjst getting too irritating , any other s with apt and not ubuntu |
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| 21:00.15 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:00.48 | fas3r | the pastebin with log of radiusd http://pastebin.com/m75f0ac52 |
| 21:01.01 | DexterF | NFS issue: mount to NFS server 'shodan' failed. all seems right, exportfs shows ok, nfsd running, nothing suspicious in the logs. what else can be wrong? |
| 21:01.01 | vin` | solar_ant: why don't you do your own search? |
| 21:01.03 | fas3r | if someone have idea please so long time ... :p |
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| 21:01.13 | solar_ant | vin`: didnt find anything |
| 21:01.23 | Szeraax | wAndyw78, so I think if i get rid of the modules (how do i really get rid of them? rmmod?) and then try again with the correct driver (without installing a crap driver beforehand :) ) |
| 21:01.24 | family | doesn anyone know how i can fix this http://www.pastebin.ca/701101 |
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| 21:01.31 | vin` | solar_ant: look harder or quit whining |
| 21:02.06 | solar_ant | vin`: searched for a very long time actually |
| 21:02.37 | fas3r | family: you need to create a initrd.img when you compil your kernel |
| 21:02.46 | pickcoder | solar_ant: how large is the buffer on your drive? |
| 21:03.23 | Mad_Marty | family: no, you have to configure your bootloader |
| 21:03.58 | solar_ant | pickcoder: how do I find that ? |
| 21:04.03 | pickcoder | read the specs |
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| 21:04.17 | goodshit | sup, anyone know of a opensource software for like a howto? Like I want to keep my notes for easy access on the web interface. Where I type in allt he stuff I did. What I need is web interface opensource HOWTO stuff. or something similar. |
| 21:05.00 | solar_ant | pickcoder: lol cant read it now , have to shutdown fr that |
| 21:05.42 | pickcoder | um |
| 21:05.44 | valdyn | goodshit: a wiki? |
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| 21:05.46 | pickcoder | you can go to the manuf web site |
| 21:05.47 | Mad_Marty | goodshit: try a wiki |
| 21:05.53 | pickcoder | look at hdparm -I for the model # |
| 21:05.56 | goodshit | mad i'm using wiki |
| 21:05.56 | Mad_Marty | goodshit: dokuwiki is fairly nice |
| 21:06.03 | solar_ant | pickcoder: i dont remember the make and model number |
| 21:06.05 | family | okay all done now i need to understand where is the vmlinuz.img at |
| 21:06.07 | goodshit | wiki is confusing |
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| 21:06.21 | solar_ant | pickcoder: ok :0 |
| 21:06.25 | Szeraax | family, look first in /boot |
| 21:06.27 | family | oh i found it |
| 21:06.29 | family | lol |
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| 21:07.11 | Mad_Marty | wikis are confusing?? |
| 21:07.22 | goodshit | yes i setup wiki |
| 21:07.30 | goodshit | hard to add subject |
| 21:07.39 | goodshit | like howto install software |
| 21:07.39 | chops | goodshit: Which wiki did you set up? |
| 21:07.42 | goodshit | howtwo install this |
| 21:07.44 | goodshit | let me check |
| 21:07.52 | goodshit | mediawiki |
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| 21:08.08 | goodshit | what i need is somethign simple. like ask for subject and just type in doc underneath |
| 21:08.12 | goodshit | know what I mean?? |
| 21:08.12 | valdyn | goodshit: maybe you just want to learn some html |
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| 21:08.21 | goodshit | i rather just type :) |
| 21:08.35 | family | it was inside of the folder now i have to move that to the boot area of my iso oh also i see a initrd.img should i move that over too? |
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| 21:08.53 | solar_ant | pickcoder: 2 mb |
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| 21:09.08 | Szeraax | family, yes, you should have the vmlinuz and the initrd |
| 21:09.14 | family | initrd.img is gunziped |
| 21:09.32 | chops | goodshit: I think you may have to suck it up and learn how to create a topic in mediawiki :-). FWIW, I use twiki and it treats me well. |
| 21:09.38 | family | nvm i figured it out |
| 21:09.42 | family | its okay |
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| 21:10.55 | Szeraax | how do you completely get rid of a module? not only from modprobe -r, but also the .ko files that were created and the folders in which they reside? |
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| 21:11.07 | chops | Szeraax: How did you install the module? |
| 21:11.17 | valdyn | Szeraax: with 'rm' or by blacklisting it |
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| 21:11.21 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 21:11.22 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 21:11.31 | Szeraax | chops, make install |
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| 21:11.44 | hoster | http://castlehost.0lx.net/ |
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| 21:11.56 | Szeraax | valdyn, so i have to find all the .ko's and then just del them? |
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| 21:12.05 | lalali | Hello. Where can I find MD5Sums for debian ISOs in debian.org site using secure https ? |
| 21:12.28 | lalali | (can't seem to find the place) |
| 21:12.31 | chops | Szeraax: Welcome to the wonderful world of no package management :-). You'll have to track down individual .ko files and delete them if you don't want them to be there. In the future you can avoid that by using a different install method that has a corresponding "uninstall" method (like dpkg or GNU stow). |
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| 21:12.49 | family | it put everything into my boot area initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686, vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 now im taking a guess i will now edit the grub menu.lst to say |
| 21:12.50 | family | title Boot vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/root |
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| 21:13.19 | Szeraax | chops, yes, i prefer dpkg, but i have to use make install as far as i know |
| 21:13.26 | chops | Szeraax: What module? |
| 21:13.28 | stew | family: why are you editing the menu.lst by hand instead of using update-grub? |
| 21:13.32 | Szeraax | r8180 |
| 21:13.45 | Szeraax | and ieee80211_crypt_wep-r8180 |
| 21:13.50 | Szeraax | chops, and 2 others |
| 21:13.55 | family | stew umm i dont really know you could update-grub |
| 21:14.15 | Hammar | what can i do to solve this: FATAL: Error inserting msi_laptop (/lib/modules/2.6.21-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/misc/msi-laptop.ko): No such device |
| 21:14.20 | family | stew how would you do that |
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| 21:14.29 | family | update-grub command not found |
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| 21:15.10 | chops | Szeraax: Hm, you might be right then |
| 21:15.12 | stew | family: just running "update-grub" at boot should automatically write menu.lst for you |
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| 21:15.53 | stew | family: does /etc/kernel-img.conf have postinst and postrm lines pointing to update-grub? |
| 21:16.02 | family | stew this is a installation disk im makeing i dont know if i can run update-grub at the time of installation |
| 21:16.57 | family | # Kernel Image management overrides |
| 21:16.57 | family | # See kernel-img.conf(5) for details |
| 21:16.57 | family | do_symlinks = Yes |
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| 21:18.11 | stew | family: you are making a custom install cd? or what? |
| 21:18.17 | family | yes |
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| 21:19.34 | stew | family: did you create a new udeb? |
| 21:19.38 | family | yes |
| 21:19.41 | pickcoder | solar_ant: pastebin the output of hdparm -iI <drive> |
| 21:19.52 | pickcoder | lower case i and upper case i |
| 21:19.54 | Greek-Boy | what is a good way to check free hard drive space, etc. |
| 21:20.10 | \amethyst | Greek-Boy: df |
| 21:20.14 | elif | df -h |
| 21:20.14 | stew | family: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 21:20.31 | \amethyst | Greek-Boy: and that depends on what "etc." includes :) |
| 21:21.01 | Dunedan | I've a problem with the package "perl-modules". According to the file-list (http://packages.debian.net/sid/perl-modules/all/filelist) there should be a file named "/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/unicore/PVA.pl". I've perk-modules installed, but I don't have such a "/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/unicore/PVA.pl". How could that be? |
| 21:21.15 | \amethyst | Dunedan: are you in sid? |
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| 21:21.48 | Greek-Boy | and how do i check what file system i'm running? |
| 21:21.52 | Dunedan | Debian/unstable |
| 21:22.07 | dkr | Greek-Boy: mount |
| 21:22.19 | \amethyst | Dunedan: does dpkg -L perl-modules | grep PVA list it? |
| 21:22.39 | Greek-Boy | whats the best file system to use? mine is ext3. |
| 21:22.41 | Greek-Boy | and what is LVM? |
| 21:22.44 | Dunedan | \amethyst: no |
| 21:22.58 | \amethyst | Dunedan: what version of perl-modules do you have (dpkg -l perl-modules) ? |
| 21:23.22 | Dunedan | perl-modules 5.8.8-8 |
| 21:23.31 | dkr | Greek-Boy: ext3 is fine. LVM is a way to tie multiple disks together to make it seem like one big disk |
| 21:23.33 | TrueDD | Greek-Boy, Logical Volume Manager |
| 21:23.51 | Greek-Boy | i see |
| 21:23.56 | Greek-Boy | thanks for the help guys |
| 21:23.58 | dkr | Greek-Boy: and lets you add new disks in the future. |
| 21:24.02 | fas3r | nobody use freeradius with eap / tls ? |
| 21:24.03 | Greek-Boy | now I have a better understanding |
| 21:24.23 | Greek-Boy | i'm not a newbie but I just dont know a few important fundementals :P |
| 21:24.24 | \amethyst | Dunedan: ah, changelog says they've been moved to perl-base |
| 21:24.45 | \amethyst | Dunedan: the filelist is probably not up-to-date since this is a brand new version of the perl-modules package |
| 21:24.49 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:25.12 | \amethyst | Dunedan: but perl-base 5.8.8-8 isn't ready for most architectures yet |
| 21:25.29 | Dunedan | hm. So it's "fixed" in perl-base 5.8.8-8? |
| 21:25.37 | \amethyst | yes |
| 21:25.41 | Dunedan | ok, thx |
| 21:26.00 | \amethyst | Dunedan: what architecture are you? |
| 21:26.09 | Dunedan | i386 |
| 21:26.34 | \amethyst | Dunedan: then I'd recommend downgrading perl-modules back to 5.8.8-7 and holding it until the new perl-base comes out |
| 21:26.46 | Dunedan | jap |
| 21:26.47 | \amethyst | Dunedan: it's already out on amd64 and sparc, but nothing else yet |
| 21:26.58 | Szeraax | do files normally dissappear? http://pastebin.com/d6a4214fd look carefully, I ran make, it started, then the files dissappeared |
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| 21:27.15 | Szeraax | and then it failed |
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| 21:29.02 | sdubois92 | when i set my IP to static i am not able to connect to the internet,can anyone help |
| 21:29.27 | stew | sdubois92: how are you setting it to static? |
| 21:29.36 | Hammar | i would like to adjust the display brightness of a medion laptop (md96165 or MIM 2270). can anyone give me a hint on how to achieve this? |
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| 21:29.40 | sdubois92 | through the gnome network settings |
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| 21:30.13 | fas3r | sdubois92: you need to specify route |
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| 21:30.38 | fas3r | sdubois92: with : route add default gw "ip_adress_of_gateway" |
| 21:30.46 | simonrvn | Hammar: xgamma? :) |
| 21:30.51 | gkiagia | Szeraax: this is too strange. check your makefile and the make executable |
| 21:31.08 | sdubois92 | ah |
| 21:31.09 | sdubois92 | i got it |
| 21:31.11 | sdubois92 | thanks |
| 21:31.15 | sdubois92 | stupid mstake on my end |
| 21:31.21 | fas3r | np rhooo ;) |
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| 21:31.33 | Szeraax | gkiagia, i tried going to it with Konquerer but it seems empty too |
| 21:31.43 | Greek-Boy | latest stable kernel for debian? |
| 21:31.54 | abrotman | Hammar: use the Fn buttons ? |
| 21:32.03 | gkiagia | Szeraax: the files are gone for sure. the question is, who deleted them |
| 21:32.21 | Szeraax | Hammar, what vendor is it? dell, hp, toshiba? |
| 21:32.29 | fas3r | sdubois92: haut seine haute seine :p |
| 21:32.38 | Hammar | abrotman: no effect... |
| 21:32.46 | Hammar | Szeraax: Medion (aka MSI) |
| 21:32.58 | abrotman | Hammar: tried up and down ? |
| 21:32.59 | Szeraax | gkiagia, if i remember right, after reboot, they are back until i try to use them again |
| 21:33.00 | tdn | I tried following this HOWTO: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en, but now I cannot boot from the disk where I installed the debootstrap installation. I have no monitor nor keyboard so I cannot see how it fails. I'm pretty sure that it is grub that fails. It does not even boot. |
| 21:33.08 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:33.08 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 21:33.10 | fas3r | nobody use freeradius with eap / tls :p ? |
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| 21:33.28 | Szeraax | Hammar, what company made it? |
| 21:33.29 | localtoast | Hi, if I have a remote server running Sarge, what risk do I run of hosing the OS if I do an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:33.37 | gkiagia | Szeraax: then it may be a filesystem issue.... |
| 21:33.42 | localtoast | (The box is in runlevel 2) |
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| 21:35.04 | Hammar | abrotman: do you mean FN + ArrowUp/Down? |
| 21:35.11 | jamonation | localtoast: use aptitude |
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| 21:35.14 | abrotman | Hammar: no .. i mean the brightness buttons |
| 21:35.20 | abrotman | Hammar: do you have a digital camera? |
| 21:35.32 | localtoast | jamonation: Can I upgrade it to etch with aptitude? |
| 21:35.44 | Hammar | abrotman: no such thing ^ ^ www.medionshop.de -> Notebooks -> MD96164 |
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| 21:35.52 | jamonation | you changed your souces.list? |
| 21:35.58 | localtoast | No |
| 21:36.02 | abrotman | Hammar: moment |
| 21:36.03 | Szeraax | Hammar, I have a toshiba and i had to 'modprobe toshiba_acpi' first. you may have to do something similar |
| 21:36.14 | abrotman | Hammar: what inch ? |
| 21:36.17 | tdn | stew, valdyn: I cannot boot the debootstrap system now. I think that grub is not installed correctly. Can you help me? |
| 21:36.24 | Hammar | abrotman: 17" |
| 21:36.52 | abrotman | Hammar: https://www.medionshop.de/deshop/catalog/updateItems.do?page=&itemPageSize=5&next=seeItem&itemkey=469B3203C8F04E76E10000000A00004A45865F925E954564E10000000A000078&order=&display_scenario=products&contractkey=&contractitemkey=&item%5B0%5D.itemID=469B3203C8F04E76E10000000A00004A4669CB4F264443F0E10000000A000078&item%5B1%5D.itemID=469B3203C8F04E76E10000000A00004A45865F925E954564E10000000A000078&item%5B2%5D.itemID=469B3203C8F04E76E1 |
| 21:36.52 | abrotman | 0000000A00004A448995B43168404DE00000306E0F2A06&item%5B3%5D.itemID=469B3203C8F04E76E10000000A00004A46C1CFAA657C2315E10000000A000047 .. right ? |
| 21:36.56 | abrotman | oh jesus christ |
| 21:37.00 | Hammar | lol |
| 21:37.08 | zinx | abrotman: nice one :D |
| 21:37.23 | localtoast | jamonation: No, I haven't |
| 21:37.23 | Hammar | sry, didnt mean to cause that much trouble ^ ^ |
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| 21:37.34 | jamonation | localtoast: well, might want to start with that :) |
| 21:37.35 | abrotman | Hammar: i need other pictures .. like of the keyboard |
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| 21:37.57 | Hammar | abrotman: give me a minute... |
| 21:37.58 | streuner | abrotman: the link doesnt work, first thought was - omg, what a nasty spammer ;-) |
| 21:38.09 | abrotman | Hammar: more like likely .. you'll see a blue icon on one of your number keys that looks like the Sun .. with a little up or down arrow next to it .. those are the brightness buttons |
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| 21:38.33 | localtoast | jamonation: Okay. Then can I just mark everything for upgrade to the etch version? |
| 21:38.56 | jamonation | you can just aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:39.06 | localtoast | Cool, thanks :) |
| 21:39.11 | abrotman | Hammar: see them ? |
| 21:39.16 | kirillov | hi, i made a recent upgrade and then i've linux kernel 2.6.21-2-486 |
| 21:39.21 | fas3r | abrotman: i deseperate .. :( ^^ |
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| 21:39.30 | abrotman | fas3r: for radius help ? |
| 21:39.32 | Hammar | abrotman: that would be FN + F6 / F7 in my case. but they seem to be dead |
| 21:39.39 | kirillov | it hang at "waiting root file system" |
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| 21:39.51 | jamonation | kirillov: yep, that's lenny's current kernel |
| 21:39.51 | abrotman | Hammar: hrm .. hopefully those aren't software keys |
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| 21:39.56 | fas3r | yes new problem ... with no error ... ^^ |
| 21:40.04 | abrotman | fas3r: nope .. don't use it .. |
| 21:40.21 | solid_liquid | um, the dns-browse package requires some interpreter called wish, but apt didn't install it automatically.... what gives? |
| 21:40.28 | kirillov | jamonation: it hang before starting gnome.. it hang at waiting root file system |
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| 21:40.41 | Szeraax | gkiagia, any other ideas? |
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| 21:40.57 | kirillov | jamonation: i've heard it's a bug.. any notice of this? |
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| 21:41.28 | jamonation | kirillov: there was a change in ata subsystem in .21 iirc, heard about problems, yes |
| 21:41.56 | gkiagia | Szeraax: what filesystem are you using? |
| 21:41.59 | fasta | Is there a file where I can put a machine name alias as non-root and then use that in ssh? |
| 21:42.02 | Szeraax | ext3 |
| 21:42.11 | gkiagia | strange.... |
| 21:42.18 | Szeraax | gkiagia, and i always turn off correctly |
| 21:42.18 | jamonation | fasta: .ssh/config |
| 21:42.28 | kirillov | jamonation: so? what the matter of the change? i'm on 2.6.18-4 now |
| 21:42.42 | DustyDingo | hm, isn't there a tab duplication feature in firefox? |
| 21:43.11 | gkiagia | Szeraax: afaik rootkits can hide files... are you sure your box is not hacked? |
| 21:43.26 | jamonation | kirillov: all disks are treated like scsi devices now I think |
| 21:44.18 | Szeraax | gkiagia, how would i tell if i was? :P No, i'm not. and why would a rootkit deal with when i extract that one tar and use make on it? |
| 21:44.21 | kirillov | jamonation: i've normal ide! i've to trow them out on my window?? |
| 21:44.29 | jamonation | kirillov: nope |
| 21:44.31 | Hammar | abrotman: there are some laptop-specific kernel modules like sony-laptop, msi-laptop, asus-laptop. only one of those is loadable without using the force option. might this be any indication? |
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| 21:44.56 | Szeraax | gkiagia, time for some more testing to make sure\ |
| 21:44.58 | kirillov | jamonation: so what i've to do to start with that kernel |
| 21:45.03 | jamonation | kirillov: check your grub/lilo setup first |
| 21:45.11 | gkiagia | Szeraax: I have no idea. I am just trying to give you ideas |
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| 21:45.18 | gkiagia | :P |
| 21:45.19 | jamonation | try making root=/dev/hdax into /dev/sdax |
| 21:45.21 | DustyDingo | Szeraax: boot into a trusted system and use tools like chkrootkit or tripwire |
| 21:45.36 | jamonation | rkhunter finds more than chkrootkit in my experience |
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| 21:46.11 | kirillov | jamonation: thanks, but i've more to learn :D |
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| 21:46.21 | jamonation | kirillov: we all do :) |
| 21:46.35 | tdn | How do I install grub on MBR on /dev/hdc? |
| 21:46.48 | kirillov | jamonation: i'm starting to understand what you've said! :DD |
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| 21:47.12 | kenji | hi guys, Im searching a svn client frontend, can you recommend me a stable gtk svn frontend? |
| 21:47.27 | tdn | I get this error: /dev/hdc1: Not found or not a block device. When I type grub-install "(hd1)" |
| 21:48.30 | gkiagia | kenji: kdesvn is a great svn frontend, but I am sorry, it's not gtk :) |
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| 21:49.08 | kirillov | tanks a lot jamo! bye |
| 21:49.10 | kenji | gkiagia tnks, If I don't get a gtk option Im going to use kdesvn, do you know if cervisa its a good svn client? |
| 21:49.43 | gkiagia | cervisia is a cvs client only and I have never used it |
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| 21:50.21 | abrotman | Hammar: try them all! |
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| 21:51.07 | Hammar | and if i arrive at the conclusion that they are indeed software keys? i am screwed? |
| 21:51.34 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 21:51.37 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 21:51.41 | abrotman | maybe ? |
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| 21:52.24 | jason^ | how could i run find with multiple commands like find -exec gzip {}; mv {}.gz /tmp \; ? that doesn't seem to work, it says that the last argument must be a directory |
| 21:52.51 | dkr | jason^: use multiple -exec options |
| 21:52.53 | abrotman | xargs maybe ? a script ? |
| 21:53.16 | fasta | jamonation: man config is not helpful |
| 21:53.55 | stew | jason^: find -exec gzip {} \; -exec mv {}.gz /tmp \; |
| 21:54.06 | jamonation | fasta: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ssh+config&btnG=Search |
| 21:54.13 | jason^ | ah crap i didn't do the first \; i'm dumb |
| 21:54.15 | jason^ | thanks |
| 21:54.23 | dkr | jason^: or just do it in one command, gzip {} -c \> /tmp/{}.gz |
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| 21:55.33 | fasta | jamonation: you are only proving to me that you don't know |
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| 21:56.18 | fasta | jamonation: never mind |
| 21:56.39 | jamonation | . |
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| 21:57.23 | idiot | Help! tarski:~# w |
| 21:57.28 | idiot | Segmentation fault |
| 21:57.34 | idiot | how I fix this? i'm on debian 3.1 |
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| 21:58.14 | pickcoder | tdn: try grub-install /dev/hdc |
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| 21:58.27 | chops | idiot: Does everything segfault (or most things), or just w? |
| 21:59.23 | kspath | how much longer will Sarge be supported? |
| 21:59.27 | kspath | !sarge |
| 21:59.27 | dpkg | i guess sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:59.39 | kspath | hmm does not say |
| 21:59.47 | pickcoder | April 08 i think |
| 21:59.49 | pickcoder | look at the wiki |
| 21:59.54 | abrotman | kspath: roughly a year after etch |
| 21:59.59 | kspath | pickcoder: danke |
| 22:00.05 | kspath | abrotman: gracias |
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| 22:00.47 | fasta | jamonation: still, the OpenBSD manpage doesn't contain how to defined aliases in that file. |
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| 22:00.57 | fasta | define* |
| 22:01.05 | jamonation | fasta: Host yourname |
| 22:01.12 | jamonation | fasta: hostname hostname.com |
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| 22:01.24 | jamonation | ssh yourhostname |
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| 22:02.06 | jamonation | the second link on that search has all you need to know |
| 22:03.05 | bipolar | has anyone ever seen a debian install disk that starts an ssh server and allows someone to remotely go though the text mode install? |
| 22:03.16 | idiot | chops: just w |
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| 22:03.45 | chops | idiot: Are you up-to-date on your security udpated, by any chance? One obvious culprit is a malfunctioning rootkit... |
| 22:03.55 | chops | idiot: You could try 'strace w' to see what it's doing right before it fails |
| 22:04.04 | chops | *security updates |
| 22:04.19 | idiot | hm |
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| 22:04.24 | smallfoot- | SimonAW, OpenOffice.org 2.3 released (17 sept) -- http://www.openoffice.org/ -- Get it, while its still hot! |
| 22:04.46 | xand | spam |
| 22:04.51 | fasta | jamonation: I don't see how that provides the mapping my_alias to foo.dada.com |
| 22:04.54 | idiot | chops: seems like a rk.. |
| 22:05.08 | fasta | jamonation: the man page does not say that for the entry Host |
| 22:05.10 | chops | idiot: :-( |
| 22:05.21 | chops | idiot: See also chkrootkit, rkhunter |
| 22:05.33 | fasta | jamonation: there must be a mapping command after the usage of "Host". |
| 22:06.04 | fasta | jamonation: E.g. Host * <do something to tell it to map to foo.something.com> |
| 22:06.27 | idiot | chops: |
| 22:06.28 | idiot | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:06.28 | idiot | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 22:06.38 | idiot | VAR/CACHE/APT/ARCHIVES/COREUTILS_5.97-5.3_I386.DEB Unknown command |
| 22:06.41 | idiot | i even cant fix :| |
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| 22:07.16 | chops | idiot: The standard recovery from a breakin is to reinstall from trusted media and then migrate the data over to the new installation |
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| 22:07.57 | dkr | chops: you mean restore from backup, not migrate, :) |
| 22:08.06 | yacyac | how is debain for 64bit machins ? |
| 22:08.22 | chops | dkr: Right, backups, right... backups. :-) |
| 22:08.43 | chops | yacyac: It works great for 64-bit stuff, but it's a small PITA to get 32-bit binaries running properly on it |
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| 22:09.41 | yacyac | so what do you recommand ? |
| 22:09.56 | chops | yacyac: I recommend using the 64-bit architecture myself, but YMMV |
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| 22:09.58 | yacyac | get the 32bit ? |
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| 22:13.44 | fasta | jamonation: you had an uppercase letter wrong, which confused me. |
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| 22:15.23 | tdn | pickcoder: I have tried that. Same error. |
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| 22:18.34 | jelly-home | yacyac: 32bit is a safe bet |
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| 22:19.17 | wire | save ? |
| 22:19.28 | wire | fuck... safe? |
| 22:19.29 | wire | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.55 | chops | wire: 32bit is compatible with more things than 64bit is, hence safer. |
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| 22:20.18 | chops | wire: Less likely to cause... problems. |
| 22:20.35 | wire | I have 64 bit and i have no problems :) |
| 22:20.50 | jelly-home | and you do not want... problems, now do you Mr. Anderson. |
| 22:20.56 | wire | :))) |
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| 22:21.04 | wire | hehe :) |
| 22:21.30 | yacyac | wire soo should i get a 64 one ? |
| 22:21.43 | chops | wire: I have 64bit and I've had "problems." I had to install ia32libs in order for Perforce to work, and if I wanted a Flash player I'd have to set up a chroot. It runs the 64-bit stuff fine, but to a newbie each of those could have led to a serious debugging session. |
| 22:21.45 | nyzer | im having problems with the pure-ftpd-virtualchroot server, if the only change i make is switch to pure-ftpd binary, dirlisting works. Else it just fails with [DEBUG] 226-Sorry, we were unable to read [.]. |
| 22:21.53 | wire | yacyac: I have 64bit on my laptop and I have no problem to run 64 or 32 bit apps on it |
| 22:21.53 | nyzer | anybody got a clue? |
| 22:22.10 | chops | wire: You set up a chroot? |
| 22:22.21 | wire | chops: on laptop ? no :) |
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| 22:22.36 | chops | wire: How are you running arbitrary 32-bit apps then? |
| 22:23.04 | wire | I have duble libraries, 32 and 64 bit in system and 32 support in kernel |
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| 22:23.20 | wire | *double |
| 22:23.22 | chops | wire: And why would you not run a chroot on a laptop? |
| 22:23.30 | chops | wire: All installed via dpkg, then? |
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| 22:23.49 | wire | no :) |
| 22:23.57 | chops | wire: Aha. See, problems :-) |
| 22:23.57 | wire | chops: i use slamd64 on laptop, no debian |
| 22:24.03 | jelly-home | also, the only simple way to build a 32bit kernel was to use a chroot |
| 22:24.18 | yacyac | slamd64 ? |
| 22:24.25 | wire | yacyac: slackware 64 bit port |
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| 22:24.36 | jelly-home | wire: well, people here usually ask about installing debian. |
| 22:24.45 | yacyac | ok |
| 22:24.50 | yacyac | now its slackware |
| 22:25.17 | jelly-home | wire: suggestions based on $distro might be misguidance |
| 22:25.30 | wire | jelly-home: i know but now i am talking about using 64bit system, it doesnt matter if its debian or slack |
| 22:25.45 | chops | wire, yacyac: Almost every distro handles 64-bit better than Debian, sad to say. It's a lamentable inconvenience until multiarch comes along and Debian starts handling 64-bit better than any other distro. :-) |
| 22:25.48 | jelly-home | it does, debian sucks more in some respects. |
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| 22:26.08 | chops | wire: You should not give people advice about how to do things on non-Debian systems in #debian without explicitly mentioning that you're not talking about Debian |
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| 22:26.17 | wire | jelly-home: and if you want to run 32bit apps in 64bit system you can use command linux32 |
| 22:26.21 | wire | linu32 /bin/bash |
| 22:26.25 | wire | *linux32 |
| 22:26.37 | jelly-home | wire: linux32 make menuconfig does not work as expected. |
| 22:26.55 | yacyac | so what should i do |
| 22:27.17 | yacyac | get some different 64bit distro or get a 32bit debain distro |
| 22:27.34 | jelly-home | yacyac: as for debian, 32bit is less problematic |
| 22:28.11 | chops | yacyac: ... or get a 64bit Debian distro. Really it depends on what you care more about. We're not giving you a simple answer because there's no single best answer for everyone. |
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| 22:28.42 | yacyac | i am not looking for best answes.. just simple opinions |
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| 22:29.49 | yacyac | i am just a confused guy |
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| 22:30.00 | yacyac | i installed frugalware 64bit |
| 22:30.02 | poncho_ | how can i know the umask of some daemon _ |
| 22:30.04 | poncho_ | service.. |
| 22:30.12 | yacyac | but i cant get my internet to work on it |
| 22:30.24 | chops | yacyac: In that case I would recommend 32bit Debian or Ubuntu |
| 22:30.34 | yacyac | and on frugal there are hardly people around to asnwer few question |
| 22:30.48 | jelly-home | poncho_: convince it to create a file? :-) |
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| 22:30.58 | yacyac | 3 dvds of debain |
| 22:31.06 | yacyac | damn... big heart attack |
| 22:31.15 | chops | yacyac: Use the netinstall |
| 22:31.23 | poncho_ | jelly-home, Yes.. |
| 22:31.26 | jelly-home | yacyac: you only need the first CD and an internet connection |
| 22:31.29 | poncho_ | :) |
| 22:31.32 | chops | Bye all |
| 22:31.39 | yacyac | well ther is a small problem |
| 22:31.56 | yacyac | i have o setup pppoe connection to access internet |
| 22:32.12 | yacyac | if i get the netinstall cd... will i be able to setup a pppoe connection ? |
| 22:32.16 | poncho_ | jelly-home, apache or my php aplication is creatin files as a 700, i want it 770... |
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| 22:32.20 | poncho_ | somebody knows ? |
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| 22:32.34 | poncho_ | i think changing the daemon of apache via umask... ? right |
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| 22:37.49 | kementeus | hello everybody |
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| 22:38.56 | kementeus | In Debian 4.0 in the apache2 configuration |
| 22:39.05 | kementeus | where could I add a defined env? |
| 22:39.17 | kementeus | I mean, something like the APACHE_OPTS in another distros |
| 22:39.23 | kementeus | to start apache with -D options |
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| 22:39.30 | kementeus | any idea? |
| 22:39.42 | kementeus | (or should I modify the apache2 init script?) |
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| 22:48.59 | yaazo | hi all |
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| 22:56.59 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 22:57.16 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:58.27 | jetscreamer | !wb streuner & abrotman |
| 22:58.27 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! streuner & abrotman has returned! |
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| 22:59.04 | ricky | s/has/have/ |
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| 22:59.29 | gpm | oh factoid, when you learn number, you will truly be a master. |
| 22:59.50 | ricky | Heh |
| 23:01.03 | gpm | jeez, lotsa updates for sid today |
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| 23:02.06 | I_Died_Once | How do I find out what version of Debain I am on ??? |
| 23:02.14 | gpm | cat /etc/debian_version? |
| 23:02.40 | gpm | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:02.52 | gpm | between those two, you should "get it" |
| 23:02.54 | I_Died_Once | what sarge vs hoary |
| 23:02.58 | I_Died_Once | and such ?? |
| 23:03.02 | gpm | hoary isn't debian |
| 23:03.09 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 23:03.18 | gpm | gr |
| 23:03.39 | I_Died_Once | ok, beyond that, how do I find out what "name" of the Debian I am on? |
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| 23:03.48 | gpm | i just told you |
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| 23:03.51 | quickpot | hello, im a beginner in debian and had a quick apt-get question.. whenever I do an apt-get, it seems to just install it (and dependencies) right away without any confirmations. Is there a flag I can throw so that it asks me before it does anything |
| 23:04.10 | karsten | I_Died_Once: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 23:04.12 | gpm | quickpot: if the package needs deps, it should ask you by defaults |
| 23:04.17 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 23:04.31 | quickpot | I see |
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| 23:04.39 | quickpot | well here is what im trying to do.. |
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| 23:05.02 | quickpot | I have a php5 install from backports.org |
| 23:05.08 | quickpot | on my sarge |
| 23:05.19 | gpm | sarge is ooooooooooooooooooold |
| 23:05.24 | dogmeat | is there a linux version of dumpbin that works on microsoft object files (e.g. COFF format) ? |
| 23:05.47 | quickpot | but the problem is, it does not have php5-mysqli module so after much research, I found that I could use a different depository(?), mark it etch and do a apt-get -u install php5-mysqli |
| 23:05.55 | jetscreamer | dselect 'always' asks you |
| 23:06.07 | karsten | I_Died_Once: Your /etc/apt/sources.list file defines what source(s) you're pulling from, your pinning preferences (/etc/apt/preferences) determines which source (if multiple) takes precedence, and the Debian project "releases" page cross-references release states (stable, testing, unstable) with codenames (etch, lenny, Sid). Unstable is _always_ Sid. |
| 23:06.09 | quickpot | but I dont want to break the current php5 when I do this, hence I am asking the question |
| 23:06.10 | abrotman | dogmeat: vi? :) |
| 23:06.11 | jetscreamer | i see a -yes but not a -no for apt-get :/ |
| 23:06.40 | karsten | dogmeat: WTF is dumpbin? 'od -c' or some hex editor, maybe. |
| 23:07.03 | ricky | Why would you run apt-get if you wanted questions to default to "no" anyway? |
| 23:07.12 | jetscreamer | quickpot: repository, not depository.. nor suppository |
| 23:07.31 | quickpot | lol right.. |
| 23:07.40 | quickpot | sorry |
| 23:07.40 | quickpot | :) |
| 23:07.43 | quickpot | so am I gonna screw things up if I do that? |
| 23:07.46 | karsten | dogmeat: Um, if you're looking for strings, symbols, linking information, etc: probably a debugger (gdb), and linked-lib lister (ldd) |
| 23:08.00 | karsten | jetscreamer: Debian doesn't have suppositories? |
| 23:08.07 | karsten | jetscreamer: I *know* that's a RH feature. |
| 23:08.40 | karsten | Nevermind. |
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| 23:09.45 | quickpot | in summary - debian sarge server has php5 installed from backports.org | backports.org does not have php5-mysqli | dotdeb.org does (under etch) | I want to add dotdeb to sources.list marked it as etch and do a apt-get install php5-mysqli | will this break my current php5? |
| 23:10.05 | jetscreamer | do the versions match up? |
| 23:10.28 | quickpot | let me check |
| 23:10.36 | jetscreamer | i have no idea, but as long as the versions match i would think it would be worth a shot.. but i would only do this myself not tell somebody to do it |
| 23:10.47 | jetscreamer | hell i'd probably go for it anyway |
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| 23:10.59 | jetscreamer | abort if it's gonna bork |
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| 23:11.25 | frankr | I'm trying to add a windows samba pritner into cups - for the address do I type something like smb://MIKE-PC/Printer ? it doesn't seem to be working |
| 23:11.34 | frankr | I know I have the right PPD and it says its supported |
| 23:11.51 | quickpot | yeah the versions match I think |
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| 23:12.06 | quickpot | abort if it's gonna bork? when would I know that exactly? |
| 23:12.08 | quickpot | :OD |
| 23:12.38 | quickpot | I wish there was an undo thing so that if I screw up, I can always undo it lol |
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| 23:12.52 | jetscreamer | well usually when you go to install something, if it wants to remove a bunch of packages, i call that 'about to bork' |
| 23:13.00 | jetscreamer | in this context |
| 23:13.03 | quickpot | ah ha |
| 23:13.06 | quickpot | ic |
| 23:13.06 | abrotman | jetscreamer: or a dist-upgrade :) |
| 23:13.30 | jetscreamer | i'm sure you already know but xserver-xorg-input-mouse doesn't get installed by default during the upgrade to 7.3 in sid, so the mouse doesn't work till one installs it. |
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| 23:14.05 | xaque | Anyone know of any hardware diagnostics disks out there? My asus laptop keeps freezing and I want to know why. |
| 23:14.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: BTS ? |
| 23:14.20 | abrotman | xaque: memtest ? |
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| 23:14.35 | abrotman | the UBCD has some stuff on it i think |
| 23:14.45 | xaque | abrotman: I am running that one now. Is that a good one? |
| 23:14.50 | jetscreamer | i dunno if it's in bts or not |
| 23:14.52 | abrotman | which one ? |
| 23:14.54 | karsten | xaque: Usual suspects: RAM, disk, CPU, mobo (particularly bad capacitors). |
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| 23:15.08 | abrotman | heatsink/fan |
| 23:15.08 | karsten | xaque: Any log messages / Oopses? |
| 23:15.16 | jetscreamer | ubcd.. see also ubcd4win and bart's pe, not that this is a windows channel |
| 23:15.17 | xaque | abrotman: one off the gentoo install disk |
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| 23:15.22 | karsten | abrotman: Which manifests itself as CPU in general. |
| 23:15.28 | amphi | xaque: sysresccd.org has quite a few useful implements on it |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | karsten: or smoke |
| 23:15.38 | xaque | karsten: no, the whole system locks up. |
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| 23:15.57 | karsten | xaque: Damn Small Linux, Knoppix, in general have pretty decent diagnostics. |
| 23:16.03 | iPod-nano | I'm trying to install SSH, but apt-get keeps failing. |
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| 23:16.05 | karsten | abrotman: I very rarely have smoke errors. |
| 23:16.06 | xaque | I think its the cpu, but I want to be able to prove to the people who are going to test it that it is not my os and that it really is hardware. |
| 23:16.06 | jetscreamer | the matted fur in my heatsink makes my computer crash when compiling |
| 23:16.11 | jetscreamer | try openssh |
| 23:16.27 | jetscreamer | i had a smoke error once or twice |
| 23:16.32 | jetscreamer | freaked me out |
| 23:16.34 | xaque | karsten: what are the names of the tools that they are using though? DO you know? |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | karsten: maybe you need to learn smoke signals :) |
| 23:16.42 | karsten | xaque: Visually scan the mobo and components for any leaking/buldging capacitors. |
| 23:16.56 | karsten | xaque: memtest86+, kernel builds, tracking log messages. |
| 23:16.58 | jetscreamer | your sense of smell comes in handy here |
| 23:17.00 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 23:17.08 | karsten | xaque: HW diagnostics tends to be more an art than a science. |
| 23:17.12 | jetscreamer | the visual scan |
| 23:17.12 | iPod-nano | "Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org'" |
| 23:17.27 | karsten | abrotman: In general, smoking signals "no". |
| 23:17.29 | jetscreamer | ping something |
| 23:17.46 | jetscreamer | ping something iPod-nano |
| 23:18.12 | jetscreamer | aka does the network work, or is it really temporary |
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| 23:18.55 | iPod-nano | It's pinging just fine. |
| 23:19.05 | xaque | karsten: thanks for the advice. I don't want to take the machine apart cause it will void my waranty. |
| 23:19.09 | karsten | !tell iPod-nano about network drill |
| 23:19.19 | karsten | xaque: F*ck that shit. |
| 23:19.41 | karsten | xaque: Cracking open your case voids warranty? Desktop, server, or laptop? |
| 23:19.50 | xaque | karsten: its a laptop |
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| 23:20.05 | iPod-nano | karsten, very funny, but I'm a little ahead of the basics. |
| 23:20.21 | iPod-nano | Yes, the link is there and working in every way imaginable. |
| 23:20.23 | xaque | iPod-nano: try nslookup? |
| 23:20.24 | abrotman | xaque: how old is it ? |
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| 23:20.32 | xaque | abrotman: little over a year |
| 23:20.33 | xptical | hi all. If I run a web site, and that site sends email to users, where can I see the emails that it sent? |
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| 23:20.43 | abrotman | xaque: isn't your warranty period already over? |
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| 23:20.46 | karsten | xaque: Ok, toss into the mix possible PSU issues (power). I'd try booting with a fraction of RAM disabled, If you have two or more sticks, remove one, boot w/ the other, then try the first. You need to find out what is is on the system that causes the problem. |
| 23:20.52 | xaque | abrotman: two years |
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| 23:20.58 | abrotman | i'd crack the case :) |
| 23:21.08 | abrotman | xaque: also ... is your apt/house somewhat dusty ? |
| 23:21.15 | karsten | iPod-nano: That drill is actually a very good methedological process to follow in tracking down network issues. |
| 23:21.46 | abrotman | xaque: you might want to try compressed air to clean it out if so |
| 23:21.49 | xaque | abrotman: not really. Its a mobile machine and I think most of the environments are well, livable |
| 23:21.58 | xaque | abrotman: already went that route |
| 23:22.01 | venger | dpkg-reconfigure gives dexconf: error cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not set, and then tells me to dpkg-reconfigure. this is a experimental box built with debootstrap sid and now running 2.6.22.6 |
| 23:22.08 | abrotman | xaque: we're humans .. we adapt .. livable is a broad term :) |
| 23:22.19 | DustyDingo | hm, why can't debtags show only installed packaged *grml* |
| 23:22.25 | DustyDingo | no filters possible at all |
| 23:22.27 | xaque | with desktops, I have parts to swap until I know what is what, but this is the first laptop that I have owned |
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| 23:22.33 | xaque | abrotman: =] |
| 23:22.35 | dcordes | I have a bluetooth gps device hooked up to rfcomm. Connection seems fine but when I cat /dev/rfcomm0 I only see cryptic output stuff. The gps device is definetly working. |
| 23:22.54 | karsten | xaque: If you can't, or don't want to, then take the system in for warranty work. Random hangs are *not* normal. Booting Knoppix would in general be a good test. You also want to find out if the whole system is nonresponsive or if it's just, say, the display (X tends to freeze more often than the whole system), so remote SSH can be useful. |
| 23:22.58 | abrotman | xaque: right after it reboots .. ahve you checked the temp in the BIOS ? |
| 23:23.55 | xaque | abrotman: yeah. The system boots fine, runs for a random amount of time and completely crashes. Alt-sysrq doesn't respond, so its below the kernel. |
| 23:24.13 | abrotman | xaque: reboots or hangs ? |
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| 23:24.19 | xaque | abrotman: hangs |
| 23:24.26 | abrotman | ewwww |
| 23:25.06 | xaque | abrotman: I think its cpu, but I want to be able to prove it to the technicians that are working my waranty so they don't send it back and say, "everythings fine" |
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| 23:25.26 | jief- | hello everyone. we're using openldap for authentication on etch boxens. all is working as expected exept the shadowMin attribute. if we set it for example to 7, the user should not be able to change is password for 7 days. but any user is still able to change their password. anyone could help with this? |
| 23:25.33 | abrotman | xaque: call them .. they hsould be able to help you figure it out |
| 23:25.50 | xaque | abrotman: good point |
| 23:25.51 | abrotman | jief-: this is a bad thing ? |
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| 23:26.27 | xaque | is openldap the only central password management system for linux? |
| 23:26.29 | jief- | abrotman: well, as far as shadow is concerned, if you set your minimum days before a user can change their password again to 7, and they run passwd, they won't be able to do so. and we'd like to get the same with LDAP |
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| 23:26.46 | xaque | karsten: abrotman: thanks |
| 23:26.47 | abrotman | jief-: tried asking #ldap ? |
| 23:26.57 | jief- | abrotman: ya its a graveyard ;) |
| 23:27.01 | jief- | ill try again though |
| 23:27.16 | abrotman | jief-: lazy bastards eh ? :) |
| 23:27.28 | jief- | abrotman: or afk ;) |
| 23:28.30 | sping | peterS: hello peter, have a minute? |
| 23:29.00 | jief- | abrotman: its the only barrier to my final deployment, so its kinda annoying |
| 23:29.22 | abrotman | jief-: nothing in google at all ? |
| 23:29.33 | jief- | abrotman: no, everyone seems to set it to 0 to disable it |
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| 23:30.56 | fsmunoz | xaque: no |
| 23:31.03 | yigal | can a process run at for instance a pts/1 ever be "moved" to another tty say pts/2 ? |
| 23:31.14 | abrotman | use screen |
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| 23:32.01 | yigal | abrotman: for me? |
| 23:32.04 | fsmunoz | xaque: well, depends on what you mean, but on the free side there is at least the RH Directory Server, which is based on the former Netscape/iPlanet LDAP server, and somehwhat similar in usage to the SUN Directory Server |
| 23:32.14 | abrotman | yigal: that's one way to do it |
| 23:32.23 | peterS | sping: not necessarily. why not ask the rest of the channel |
| 23:32.38 | yigal | abrotman: I have an instance of vim in the background of a terminal that I am running screen on. |
| 23:32.48 | abrotman | jief-: somewhat related? http://www.nabble.com/Always-asked-to-update-password-at-login--Utopia-t2543994.html |
| 23:32.58 | fsmunoz | xaque: then there are commercial offerings, like Tivoli's Identity Server, Sun Directory Server, Oracle's own directory, etc. |
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| 23:33.15 | yigal | abrotman: I can detach screen and then kill vim and reatach, but I though I would see if there was a way to move the process to another tty |
| 23:33.20 | sping | peterS: I would ask you directly if the rest would do :-) I'm the very impatiant libSpiff/Xiph/packaging request guy - did you get my mail? |
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| 23:33.30 | abrotman | yigal: not that i'm aware of |
| 23:33.39 | cloakable | vim is for noobs. Real men use cat > file << "EOF" |
| 23:33.54 | peterS | sping: I do not recall getting an email, but I get a lot of email that I don't deal with personally |
| 23:33.55 | fsmunoz | yigal: well, if you use Emacs with multi-tty than it's possible :) |
| 23:33.55 | yigal | cloakable: I know, I'm so weak :) |
| 23:34.06 | cloakable | yigal: :P |
| 23:34.54 | peterS | oh yeah, emacs22 is in unstable now, isn't it? |
| 23:35.03 | yigal | fsmunoz: I heard emacs has a pretty good clone of vim now adays but it is just the situation I find myself in now |
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| 23:35.04 | peterS | I guess that's supposed to finally catch up to xemacs in terms of multi-tty |
| 23:35.21 | utopia_ | hey i've just installed FlightGear from the debian respo's but i cant seem to find the binary for it |
| 23:35.23 | sping | peterS: who else but you and your spam filter does? Short version is I have a Xiph library that is not in Debian. I need at least sponsoring/qs and at most full maintainership |
| 23:35.32 | utopia_ | all the obvious one's ive tried, flightgear fg |
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| 23:35.39 | fsmunoz | peterS: in testing and unstable, yes |
| 23:35.41 | athena | hello |
| 23:35.41 | utopia_ | anyone else have this weird problem? |
| 23:35.46 | fsmunoz | peterS: plus the emacs-snapshot apt source |
| 23:35.56 | abrotman | yigal: maybe something in /proc/ .. but nothing i'm aware of |
| 23:35.57 | peterS | fsmunoz: I don't mean emacs-snapshot, I mean emacs22 proper |
| 23:36.32 | sping | peterS: the lib is libSpiff (http://libspiff.sourceforge.net/) but one of ts dependencies (uriparser) will also need packaging - i have 90% of a package doen for the latter already |
| 23:36.33 | fsmunoz | yigal: yes, at least two different vi emulations, VIPER being the newest |
| 23:36.38 | peterS | sping: what do you mean by "a xiph library"? something from xiph.org? |
| 23:36.44 | yigal | abrotman: yes, I expected as much and for this purpose I don't want to mess with proc :) |
| 23:36.48 | fsmunoz | peterS: yes, emacs22 proper is in testing and unstable IIRC |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | yigal: maybe see if anyone in ##linux knows |
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| 23:37.16 | sping | peterS: yes, i'm a xiph member and libSpiff is the official reference impl of XSPF |
| 23:37.22 | MrEmbedded | anybody remembers how to compile a custom module for kernel 2.4? |
| 23:37.40 | athena | i do not have a kernel or headers and would like to install with apt-get the module of ndiswrapper can anyone specify what to down load ? can this be done with apt-get or do i have to compile ndiswrapper from source ? |
| 23:37.43 | MrEmbedded | I know how to do it for kernel 2.6 but I have this embedded board that runs kernel 2.4 |
| 23:38.03 | peterS | MrEmbedded: it was a bit ad hoc in those days. the usual thing was to do 'make -C /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build SUBDIRS=$(pwd)' or something of that nature |
| 23:38.06 | jetscreamer | !info ndiswrapper |
| 23:38.31 | jetscreamer | i think it's on marillat's |
| 23:38.34 | peterS | sping: so why exactly do we care? what is XSPF? |
| 23:38.38 | MrEmbedded | peterS sound similar to 2.6 |
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| 23:38.54 | athena | hi |
| 23:39.00 | athena | i do not have a kernel or headers and would like to install with apt-get the module of ndiswrapper can anyone specify what to down load ? can this be done with apt-get or do i have to compile ndiswrapper from source ? |
| 23:39.04 | jetscreamer | or another name |
| 23:39.10 | jetscreamer | !find ndiswrapper |
| 23:39.12 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ndiswrapper' (5): ndiswrapper-common ;; ndiswrapper-source ;; ndiswrapper-utils ;; ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 ;; ndiswrapper-utils-1.9. |
| 23:39.15 | peterS | we heard you already, athena |
| 23:39.24 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 23:39.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 23:39.30 | abrotman | !tell zwox about away |
| 23:39.30 | athena | jetscreamer: which one of them all ? |
| 23:39.31 | jetscreamer | there it is |
| 23:39.39 | jetscreamer | do what dpkg said |
| 23:39.49 | MrEmbedded | for 2.6 I do this $(MAKE) -C $(KERNELDIR) M=$(PWD) modules |
| 23:39.49 | peterS | zwox: turn that off, would ya? if we all posted public away messages, it would add up to a lot of useless noise |
| 23:39.50 | sping | peterS: XSPF (http://www.xspf.org/) is an open standard, xml-based playlist format already partly supported by players like Amarok, BMPx, VLC |
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| 23:39.59 | athena | ok |
| 23:40.07 | peterS | oh dear. I knew XML would come into it somehow. |
| 23:40.11 | MrEmbedded | then the build system calls my Make file again and I got this obj-m := fixreboot.o |
| 23:40.25 | abrotman | peterS: can we move #debian to an XML format ? |
| 23:40.29 | zwox | sorry it's an auto script |
| 23:40.32 | sping | peterS: i assumed you would package everything from xiph (excluding flac) since your in the xiph debian team |
| 23:40.32 | zwox | i leave |
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| 23:40.39 | peterS | <abrotman>: we can try </abrotman> |
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| 23:40.57 | abrotman | peterS: <p style="mood:sarcastic">It'd be soo much better</p> |
| 23:41.05 | athena | jetscreamer: will that be compiled and installed ? |
| 23:41.11 | athena | or do i have to compile ? |
| 23:41.17 | ironfroggy | anyone have some expertise with passwordless ssh authentication? |
| 23:41.23 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 23:41.23 | dpkg | hmm... ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 23:41.27 | ironfroggy | ive done it before but im having trouble with a new server. |
| 23:41.27 | sping | abrotman: i know xml isn't perfect. what is it you especially dislike about XML? maybe i get another reason for the list. |
| 23:41.31 | peterS | <msg hilight="abrotman"><sentence>yeah, but.</sentence><sentence>I think I might get annoyed at the extra typing.</sentence> |
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| 23:41.34 | peterS | </msg> |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | sping: nothing .. i'm just being a pain in the ass |
| 23:41.41 | simonrvn | <span style="mood:exasperation;">*sigh* not xml again</span> |
| 23:41.48 | jetscreamer | athena: yes, but you will have to do the firmware thing and then modprobe ndiswrapper , iirc... i've done it once, and it still works so i've not done it again |
| 23:41.49 | yigal | abrotman: thanks, I will do that |
| 23:41.52 | dcordes | could somebody help me with my gps problem? |
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| 23:41.54 | jief- | abrotman: sorry was ready. i read that post in the past. didint help me |
| 23:41.59 | sping | abrotman: i see :-) |
| 23:42.05 | abrotman | peterS: <font style="font-weight:bold">BUT IT'S BETTER</font> |
| 23:42.14 | jetscreamer | lol@bold |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | jief-: oh ok |
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| 23:42.27 | simonrvn | peterS: that's why the xml preprocessors treat that stuff like binary data.. |
| 23:42.33 | peterS | <ban nick="abrotman" reason="shouting" /> |
| 23:42.35 | venger | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gives me an error "dexconf: error cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not set", and then tells me to dpkg-reconfigure. Is there a manual way to set this when dpkg-reconfigure isn't asking me? |
| 23:42.35 | athena | jetscreamer: you did not automate the proccess ? after bootup in the init scripts ? |
| 23:42.38 | jief- | abrotman: ill look into ppolicy later. i need a break for now. thanks for your help |
| 23:42.39 | ironfroggy | i appended my public key to .ssh/authorized_keys on the server and ssh-add'ed my private key on the client, and ive tried with -vvv so i can see the key is in fact being sent but is rejected by the server |
| 23:42.39 | sping | very productive channel, i see :-) |
| 23:42.59 | jetscreamer | athena: yes i did, i added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules .. iirc |
| 23:43.05 | ironfroggy | i also checked that PubkeyAuthentication is "yes" and that AuthorizedKeysFile points to the right place. |
| 23:43.10 | simonrvn | peterS: i didn't add in my "FYI, blah" tags |
| 23:43.14 | athena | kk |
| 23:43.33 | athena | jetscreamer: i think i prefer rc.local |
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| 23:43.44 | peterS | sping: anyway - my interest in xiph is in the vorbis player and things that support it. I don't particularly care about 'anything from xiph' just as I don't particularly care about 'anything from the apache software foundation' even though I'm also on the apache team |
| 23:43.49 | abrotman | peterS: i can't do it anymore :) |
| 23:43.55 | simonrvn | man i hope it worked this time... trying to record my desktop session |
| 23:43.56 | jetscreamer | athena: hmmm no i didn't add it to that... i think... |
| 23:43.58 | abrotman | that was hard! |
| 23:43.59 | jetscreamer | one sec |
| 23:44.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: istanbul ? |
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| 23:44.26 | jetscreamer | hell i don't know wtf i did |
| 23:44.31 | athena | jetscreamer: one more please |
| 23:44.32 | simonrvn | abrotman: tried it, only got stuff when i moved my mouse... trying to capture stuff from opengl ... :/ |
| 23:44.34 | jetscreamer | whatever i did, i did it right |
| 23:44.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: hrm .. okay |
| 23:44.52 | athena | hiw do i flush this from apt-get |
| 23:44.52 | jetscreamer | sure, ask the channel :) |
| 23:44.53 | sping | peterS: i'd be happy with one of these three: (1) yes, i package your libs (2) yes, i'll bugcheck and sponsor your self-written packages (3) no, not another package for me |
| 23:44.53 | athena | Errors were encountered while processing: bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 23:44.54 | athena | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 23:45.11 | peterS | sping: I guess that would be (3) not particularly interested, sorry |
| 23:45.12 | athena | its allways wining about an error ? |
| 23:45.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:45.26 | jetscreamer | try apt-get remove --purge bcm43xx-fwcutter maybe |
| 23:45.27 | simonrvn | "always whining" |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | athena: is there a better error ? |
| 23:45.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's ? |
| 23:45.41 | jetscreamer | or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:45.42 | simonrvn | that too, heh |
| 23:45.43 | sping | peterS: what about the other two xiph team guys? how do you think they will think about it? |
| 23:45.53 | athena | kk thanks |
| 23:45.54 | jetscreamer | or apt-get -f instal |
| 23:45.56 | jetscreamer | l |
| 23:45.57 | abrotman | install |
| 23:46.08 | abrotman | /nick spellcheck |
| 23:46.33 | jetscreamer | /nick anal english |
| 23:46.33 | peterS | sping: the other two are more active anyway. if you actually look at the history of the repository and the packages, I have done literally _nothing_ as a team member. I was just added on the off-chance that I might find time to get involved, since I had shown some interest. so - who knows, they might. dato in particular came back from a long hiatus, a few months ago, maybe he has more time nowadays |
| 23:46.53 | peterS | /nick @ night |
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| 23:47.06 | simonrvn | abrotman: trying now with 'recordmydesktop', according to the manual, it can do what i need, but i have to do stuff like --full-shots (full screenshot of the screen, not just updates) |
| 23:47.16 | abrotman | ew |
| 23:47.16 | ironfroggy | is it possible that an ssh server only accept protocol 2 keys? |
| 23:47.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:47.29 | ironfroggy | and thats why its rejecting my rsa key in authorized_keys? |
| 23:47.33 | simonrvn | ironfroggy: and that's a good thing |
| 23:47.34 | jetscreamer | it's a server configuration i 'think' |
| 23:47.36 | peterS | ironfroggy: if the client negotiates protocol 2, then yes, it will only take protocol 2 keys |
| 23:47.42 | simonrvn | yes it is server-side |
| 23:47.54 | peterS | ironfroggy: if you want to use a protocol 1 key, you have to make sure the client first negotiates protocol 1. this can be forced from either the client end or the server end |
| 23:47.57 | abrotman | argh .. fucking canada .. damn home runs! |
| 23:47.58 | ironfroggy | well if the client did that it wouldnt send the protocol 1 key right? |
| 23:48.07 | ironfroggy | because it is sending the key. |
| 23:48.11 | ironfroggy | its the server that is rejecting it |
| 23:48.13 | simonrvn | abrotman: what'd they do this time? the jays? |
| 23:48.18 | peterS | ironfroggy: correct, if it negotiates protocol 2, it will ignore its own configuration directives to send protocol 1 keys |
| 23:48.20 | ironfroggy | and i cant figure out why |
| 23:48.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: yeah :) |
| 23:48.36 | ironfroggy | well then the client isnt negotiating protocol 2 and it is sending my key |
| 23:48.42 | ironfroggy | but it never says why it fails |
| 23:48.47 | simonrvn | oh man i hope this works |
| 23:48.48 | ironfroggy | it just tries the next key and i dont know hy |
| 23:48.55 | simonrvn | gfinished encoding the data now |
| 23:49.06 | jetscreamer | i 'believe' the server has a 'protocol 2 only' setting .. but i forget/don't remember/barely read it in passing |
| 23:49.17 | abrotman | it does |
| 23:49.25 | abrotman | IIRC .. it's a debconf question even |
| 23:49.37 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:50.42 | simonrvn | stew: trying kino out. so far so good |
| 23:51.05 | ironfroggy | jetscreamer: but then the client wouldnt try to send protocol 1 keys because the server wouldnt let it negotiate protocol 1, right? |
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| 23:51.28 | jetscreamer | ironfroggy: i have no idea, i've told you everything i know about ssh.... don't write a book |
| 23:51.46 | ironfroggy | thanks :-) |
| 23:52.01 | peterS | ironfroggy: if you try with 'ssh -o Protocol=1' then you eliminate the entire possibility that it's negotiating the wrong thing |
| 23:52.16 | peterS | well, or 'ssh -1', which means the same (: |
| 23:52.28 | simonrvn | and if the server is configured for ssh2 only, then well good luck :P |
| 23:52.56 | ironfroggy | Protocol major versions differ: 1 vs. 2 |
| 23:53.05 | ironfroggy | but it was stll sending them |
| 23:53.12 | peterS | well, apparently that's the problem, then |
| 23:53.15 | Ronin | ya as in 1 sucks and is a tad insecure iirc |
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| 23:53.23 | peterS | the server needs to have proto 1 enabled, or you need to use a ssh2 key |
| 23:53.46 | peterS | it surprises me that the client would try to send a proto1 key even after negotiating proto2, but there you have it |
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| 23:54.04 | ironfroggy | ditto |
| 23:54.14 | ironfroggy | i would have caught it otherwise, maybe |
| 23:54.48 | jetscreamer | is there an ssh3, or was that ssl3 |
| 23:54.58 | simonrvn | ssl |
| 23:55.05 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 23:55.07 | peterS | jetscreamer: there is openssh version 3 and indeed version 4, but it still uses protocol 2 |
| 23:55.08 | simonrvn | you want tlsv1 usually ;) |
| 23:55.32 | peterS | which is good, because the 'ssh' command line argument '-4' is already taken, to mean "use IPv4 instead of IPv6" |
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| 23:55.50 | jetscreamer | !spoof ip |
| 23:55.51 | peterS | thus ssh -1, -2, -4, -6 are all meaningful, but for they mean two different sets of things |
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| 23:55.54 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 23:56.56 | peterS | jetscreamer: perhaps you mean "how do i faked packet" |
| 23:58.00 | jetscreamer | peterS: not sure... i need to hide more is all i know... maybe a proxy |
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| 23:58.27 | jetscreamer | or quit torrenting |
| 23:58.32 | ironfroggy | well i dont get a prompt this time! |
| 23:58.41 | ironfroggy | it resets the connection instead :-( |
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| 23:58.53 | peterS | ironfroggy: are you use 'ssh -v' to trace what is going on? I assume so, since you're giving information about what keys are tried, etc. |
| 23:59.04 | ironfroggy | peterS: yes |
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