| 00:00.10 | k31th | guys, i have a 64bit sarge box with broken mirrors for apt, i want to readd some 64bit mirrors and upgrade the box to etch via apt any ideas how i can reconfigure apt ? |
| 00:00.19 | k31th | i dont know any other mirrors |
| 00:00.37 | p0lar | one more kernel fail try :x lol o0 0o |
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| 00:00.55 | loupgaroublond | DocPlatypus, not even, they just use what the excuse for IT gives them, aka the same people that think a mac mini sans gcc makes a unix lab |
| 00:00.58 | abrotman | k31th: for sarge .. the mirrors are special .. for etch they are standard |
| 00:01.41 | DocPlatypus | Mac OS X isn't Unix... it may be based on a Unix-derived kernel and userland, but it's a completely different beast |
| 00:02.08 | DocPlatypus | it is the intent of Apple that most Mac OS X users never use the command line or use Mac OS X as if it were another Unix |
| 00:02.42 | DocPlatypus | and since Apple is taking full advantage of the BSD license here, giving out only binaries, it's intentionally difficult to overcome Apple's intent |
| 00:02.54 | loupgaroublond | exactly |
| 00:03.03 | \amethyst | but it's not that difficult to use a mac from the command line |
| 00:03.31 | loupgaroublond | it's got the tools so you can use it like a unix machine |
| 00:03.34 | \amethyst | It's not like you need to do anything arcane to get to a terminal, it's right there in applications |
| 00:03.41 | loupgaroublond | aka, ssh'ing into a prefered server :P |
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| 00:04.15 | loupgaroublond | although the default colour theme makes my irssi session look like carp |
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| 00:05.53 | tsb | I have 70 servers all running debian. I've tried tentakel and a few others to control many of these at once, but the problem is they don't handle input very well - lets say I do "aptitude upgrade" and 30 of those nodes require a user-response, I want to be able to do that one at a time (while the others just keep updating). Anyone know of something like this - that does not _just_ fan out a command to many hosts, but also handle userinput. |
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| 00:06.43 | maddash | sudo iptables -F ; sudo iptables -L ; echo -e "\n\n\n" ; sudo iptables -A INPUT -i ! eth0 -j ACCEPT ; sudo iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ; sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ; sudo iptables -L |
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| 00:07.17 | maddash | I executed the above on this debian setup, and used another laptop to connect to this machine via ad hoc wireless |
| 00:07.32 | maddash | then I try to wget google.com on the laptop |
| 00:08.10 | maddash | the laptop's request times out, but I can see the response from google's server when I use wireshark on this machine |
| 00:08.40 | maddash | any clues? |
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| 00:10.40 | k31th | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 00:11.21 | abrotman | k31th: sarge sources for amd64 are different than etch |
| 00:12.03 | k31th | how do i go about doing this then |
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| 00:15.14 | abrotman | k31th: you're trying to dist-upgrade to etch ? |
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| 00:16.01 | p0lar | i think i will give up lol :x |
| 00:16.19 | nvz | if at first you don't succeed, fuck it. |
| 00:16.34 | k31th | abrotman: yeah, do i just change sarge to etch ? |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | !tell k31th about sarge->etch |
| 00:16.44 | p0lar | nvz lol |
| 00:16.48 | abrotman | !tell k31th about mirrors |
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| 00:19.53 | [p0lar] | looks i dont have many option here if not put windows :x |
| 00:20.10 | nvz | !nickometer [p0lar] |
| 00:20.11 | dpkg | '[p0lar]' is 23.000% lame, nvz |
| 00:20.40 | [p0lar] | nvz LOL im lamer or your tuturials are lammers? |
| 00:20.51 | [p0lar] | well ... that makes me think |
| 00:21.11 | nvz | its about time you used that thing on your neck for something other than a hatrack |
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| 00:21.40 | [p0lar] | nvz neither you guys know what the problem is lol |
| 00:22.05 | [p0lar] | and you call me lamer ok |
| 00:22.12 | nvz | we're not psychic you are suppose to tell people what the problem is if you want help |
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| 00:22.55 | Pavel | Why are all the programs so memory-hungry?! |
| 00:23.02 | nvz | and I didn't call you anything, dpkg said you are 23% lame.. you still got 77% left to go to be a lamer |
| 00:23.06 | [p0lar] | nvz forget im not losing one more moth working on this |
| 00:23.29 | nvz | Pavel: uh? |
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| 00:23.40 | Pavel | nvz: Just a general whine. |
| 00:23.49 | Zylstra555 | Hello, I am having some difficulties installing Debian on my PowerPC, due to a CD ROM drive that snapped in half, causing the CD Drive to loose a lot of functionality. Is it possible to boot off the CD, and then run the installer from a flash drive? |
| 00:24.05 | briansk1 | i have a 32 bit install on a pentium 4 machine, and i'm trying to determine if the machine is 64 bit capable - anyone know of a way to do that without actually popping in a 64 bit install CD and seeing what happens? |
| 00:24.21 | briansk1 | i'm thinking some flag in /proc/cpuinfo would tell me, but i don't see anything obvious |
| 00:24.29 | nvz | a pentium 4 is not 64 bit |
| 00:24.32 | Pavel | Zylstra555: Can your machine boot off a flash drive? |
| 00:24.53 | Zylstra555 | Pavel: No, it cant, it can only boot off a HDD or CD |
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| 00:25.18 | Zylstra555 | Pavel: Its what my friend calls a "New World" Mac, but it was designed for OS8.6 |
| 00:25.21 | briansk1 | nvz: p4 might not be right, strictly speaking. but there *are* plenty of pre core xeons that have 64 bit support |
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| 00:25.31 | briansk1 | and that's what i'm wondering if i have |
| 00:25.46 | nvz | briansk1: then figure out what kind of cpu you have |
| 00:25.55 | nvz | briansk1: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:26.28 | briansk1 | nvz: refer to my original q, thanks, i already looked there. anyone with clue have an idea? |
| 00:26.35 | Pavel | Zylstra555: Then, I don't know. There might be a way, but I've never had the occasion to work in that direction. |
| 00:27.09 | nvz | briansk1: you have no clue.. you are asking a question that only you can answer. |
| 00:27.51 | [p0lar] | nvz linux is really one operating system that make the persons losing time |
| 00:28.20 | [p0lar] | and more strange is have software and he dont work |
| 00:28.23 | JeremyK | what's that utility that shows you permissions from root to whatever filename you give it? someone mentioned it in here the other day but apparently my irc client isn't logging :( |
| 00:28.24 | [p0lar] | lol |
| 00:28.27 | briansk1 | nvz: whatever. any other opinions? |
| 00:28.30 | Zylstra555 | Pavel: Hmm, well, thats too bad for me then. Funny how the drive even works anymore, you see: The drive was snapped in half, so its still able to run, but once the power options cause the CD ROM drive to spin down, it can no longer read information and it gets stuck. Is it possible to prevent the drive from stopping and going into an idle state? |
| 00:28.38 | nvz | [p0lar]: I highly disagree. Microsoft Windows wastes my time.. not responding, sending error reports nobody reads, rebooting for stupid shit.. |
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| 00:29.01 | [p0lar] | nvz i can put more fast whith windows then linux ... makes me lose less time |
| 00:29.05 | [p0lar] | instalation |
| 00:29.06 | amphi | [p0lar]: software not working? strange? you're not from this planet, are you? ;) |
| 00:29.10 | nvz | [p0lar]: debian just requires you to be smarter than what you are working with and if you meet that requirement you get more done |
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| 00:29.26 | [p0lar] | well then we just click ... and install dont need to try to follow 1001 tuturials that dont work LOL |
| 00:29.27 | Pavel | Zylstra555: There might be some boot options to do it. I don't know. |
| 00:29.37 | nvz | [p0lar]: b.s. I could install probably 10 debian systems in teh time you could install one windows system |
| 00:29.41 | amphi | [p0lar]: so go click |
| 00:29.49 | Zylstra555 | nvz: As far as I am concerned: Linux still has updates that require you to restart, software that sends error reports, and many abilities to stop responding for no reason |
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| 00:30.01 | [p0lar] | nvz yes i listen many persons say that they can do everything to ... |
| 00:30.12 | [p0lar] | but the realaty is ussually another |
| 00:30.17 | [p0lar] | isnt it? :) |
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| 00:30.29 | amphi | [p0lar]: what is the problem? if you don't like debian, don't use it |
| 00:30.40 | stoned | Zylstra555: ime the only time I have ever needed to reboot a linux system is for a kernel upgrade, in more than 10 years |
| 00:30.43 | stoned | and travelling |
| 00:30.59 | nvz | Zylstra555: na, not at all.. the ONLY update that you should restart for is a kernel, and thats entirely optional you are not REQUIRED to restart for software updates EVER |
| 00:31.39 | [p0lar] | amphi im not talking about debian only ... |
| 00:31.46 | Zylstra555 | nvz: Yet, ,whenever an application update comes along, that annoying little star icon constantly "reminds" me to restart |
| 00:31.57 | stoned | what? |
| 00:32.02 | stoned | you must be not on debian |
| 00:32.02 | nvz | Zylstra555: error reports again are entirely optional it doesnt popup and bug me about sending reports to people who arent even smart enough or care enough to read one when I am busy, and I've never had anything in my 10 years using linux happen without a damn good and scientifically explainable reason |
| 00:32.07 | amphi | [p0lar]: well, in here, you should be ;) |
| 00:32.09 | stoned | debian doesn't have that ubuntu does |
| 00:32.10 | Zylstra555 | *Stoned, not NVZ... wrong names |
| 00:32.12 | [p0lar] | im just say that i thinkk linux make the persons losig to much time |
| 00:32.28 | amphi | [p0lar]: some maybe |
| 00:32.30 | stoned | today is sunday? |
| 00:32.33 | stoned | isn't it |
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| 00:32.38 | amphi | looks like |
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| 00:32.42 | Zylstra555 | Today is Sunday... |
| 00:32.45 | stoned | its a pattern I've noticed |
| 00:32.53 | Ronin | always seems to be |
| 00:32.54 | stoned | we get the idiots and morons only on sundays and saturday nights |
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| 00:33.12 | stoned | during the whole week hardly any of these people come around |
| 00:33.15 | [p0lar] | lol |
| 00:33.17 | stoned | is it just me |
| 00:33.18 | Zylstra555 | Well, I will move over to the Linux channel and see if they have a boot command to keep the power options off, maybe I should just replace the CD Drive |
| 00:33.20 | Ronin | stoned: liar |
| 00:33.21 | stoned | has anyone elase noticed this? |
| 00:33.31 | [p0lar] | be real man |
| 00:33.39 | [p0lar] | this sucks |
| 00:33.41 | stoned | always on the sundays, the general intelligence level of #debian drops |
| 00:33.48 | amphi | stoned: it has been remarked upon ;) |
| 00:33.52 | Ronin | stoned: no but i do notice it is worse on the weekends thats for sure |
| 00:33.55 | stoned | amphi: has it? |
| 00:33.56 | stoned | I wonder |
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| 00:33.58 | stoned | !sunday |
| 00:33.58 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:34.00 | amphi | [p0lar]: real men don't wear ascii |
| 00:34.03 | stoned | ahh |
| 00:34.04 | stoned | yes |
| 00:34.05 | Ronin | i suspect its'going to be nasty for a while now that university is back in |
| 00:34.07 | Zylstra555 | Thanks for the help, everyone |
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| 00:34.22 | Pavel | To be fair, "log out X session" and "restart" are pretty similar from the user experience point of view, and many updates do require restarting X to take effect, and X sessions are a bit less robust than the rest of the system. |
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| 00:34.49 | a1fa | what kernel is in debian stable? |
| 00:34.58 | [p0lar] | lol you dont know to ... and you are tere just talking lol like smart guys LOL |
| 00:34.59 | stoned | if ubuntu people are feeding this restart bullshit to people just because X needs to be reloaded, then fuck ubuntu |
| 00:35.02 | amphi | a1fa: 2.6.18 IIRC |
| 00:35.07 | DocPlatypus | stoned: agreed |
| 00:35.09 | a1fa | ahhh.. |
| 00:35.12 | a1fa | :( |
| 00:35.23 | a1fa | ok.. so i am stayin' on unstable |
| 00:35.27 | a1fa | anyway to resize paritions? |
| 00:35.29 | nvz | I don't know of any updates other than the login manager that would need to restart X |
| 00:35.33 | DocPlatypus | Ubuntu can't even get it through that it's GNU/Linux, as in a GNU variant booting Linux, the kernel |
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| 00:35.56 | nvz | you don't ever have to restart anything when you update it.. you just won't be using the updated version until you do |
| 00:36.01 | stoned | restarting is nothing but a waste of time |
| 00:36.12 | Ronin | nvz: other then perhaps a kernal |
| 00:36.21 | stoned | Ronin: already been said |
| 00:36.21 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:36.27 | nvz | Ronin: I've never had to restart after upgrading a kernel, ever |
| 00:36.31 | Ronin | stoned: just got in so im more behind then normal |
| 00:36.43 | nvz | its just the same, its something you should do, its not something you HAVE to do |
| 00:36.44 | stoned | word word |
| 00:36.55 | nvz | you can finish what you are doing and restart when its appropriate |
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| 00:37.07 | a1fa | is there a package that will resize partitions in debian main? |
| 00:37.15 | stoned | parted? |
| 00:37.18 | [p0lar] | you shure debian compiles the source kernel from kernel.org? |
| 00:37.23 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: who cares, GNU/Linux is implied. Is there a single distro that does not use any GNU bits? |
| 00:37.26 | a1fa | stoned: is it intrusive? |
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| 00:37.33 | stoned | no clue |
| 00:37.35 | stoned | !resize |
| 00:37.35 | a1fa | i need to resize partitions on the fly |
| 00:37.42 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:37.51 | nvz | then you should be using lvm |
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| 00:38.07 | Pavel | True. But, from the (GUI) user PoV, restarting X session means closing all applications, logging out, and logging back in. In other words, pretty much the same as a restart. |
| 00:38.13 | a1fa | nah, i mean on the fly and not have to rebuild the system |
| 00:38.16 | DocPlatypus | jelly-home: it is not implied. "Linux" means simply the kernel, Linux. that's it. you can port a variety of different operating systems (userlands) to Linux, the kernel |
| 00:38.35 | DocPlatypus | you can also compile GNU to run under something besides Linux, the kernel |
| 00:38.38 | amphi | [p0lar]: debian has it's own patches, I believe |
| 00:38.56 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: should we call it GNU/X.org/whoever/Linux, then? |
| 00:38.58 | DocPlatypus | note also Linux, the kernel, is developed under an entirely different philosophy than the GNU operating system |
| 00:39.06 | stoned | a1fa: try a parted frontend |
| 00:39.09 | DocPlatypus | jelly-home: asked and answered already on gnu.org |
| 00:39.11 | stoned | parted can resize partitions |
| 00:39.19 | [p0lar] | amphi and why the paths from kernel dont work? |
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| 00:39.25 | nvz | Pavel: thats irrelevant nothing is gonna restart X. the only thing that would is updating the login manager and it running its init.d script |
| 00:39.33 | DocPlatypus | and the short answer is no, for reasons best explained on gnu.org |
| 00:39.40 | amphi | [p0lar]: what paths? |
| 00:39.55 | [p0lar] | amphi ermm ?!!! what we are talking about?! |
| 00:40.06 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: and I read it too. GNU is just a good bit of the system, and I think that the OS name is best kept nice and simple - hence, Linux. |
| 00:40.09 | amphi | [p0lar]: 'we'? |
| 00:40.15 | [p0lar] | ok forget you cant help me thanks anyway |
| 00:40.27 | amphi | what a relief |
| 00:41.18 | [p0lar] | nvz so if you so wanti windows why you dont give some another option to me? |
| 00:41.22 | DocPlatypus | jelly-home: except that that name is misleading |
| 00:41.42 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: it's incomplete, just like GNU/Linux. |
| 00:42.05 | [p0lar] | amphi we are talking about kernel paths right? |
| 00:42.26 | amphi | [p0lar]: I guess that was before I starting paying attention |
| 00:42.40 | Pavel | nvz: Actually, a lot of things involving input methods (SCIM, etc.), desktop environment (though, I guess that can be gotten around, at the risk of screwing things up and being forced to log out anyway), and X and its libraries themselves require restarting the X session. (If they don't, please tell me how to upgrade/modify input methods without restarting. I honestly want to know.) |
| 00:42.43 | DocPlatypus | "DieHard" is a nice and simple name compared to something like "Mitsubishi" but it's also just as misleading... you don't hear of people "using a car battery" as much as you hear of them "driving a car" do you? |
| 00:42.49 | DocPlatypus | and GNU/Linux *is* complete |
| 00:42.50 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: anyway, it's not a discussion for a support channel |
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| 00:42.57 | amphi | [p0lar]: I don't know what you mean by 'kernel paths' |
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| 00:43.25 | [p0lar] | amphi you say amphi> [p0lar]: debian has it's own patches, I believe |
| 00:43.35 | amphi | [p0lar]: yes |
| 00:44.04 | a1fa | Ok, proceeding with removing running kernel image. |
| 00:44.05 | a1fa | :) |
| 00:44.08 | [p0lar] | so ... ?! arent you talking about the kernel patchs? |
| 00:44.09 | a1fa | upsy ;) |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | k31th: get it |
| 00:44.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:44.17 | a1fa | oh god ;) |
| 00:44.20 | a1fa | this was a bad idea :P |
| 00:44.25 | a1fa | i;ve been burned before |
| 00:44.27 | k31th | abrotman: yea man, got it all update on sarge |
| 00:44.32 | amphi | [p0lar]: oh, 'patches', I thought you said 'paths' |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:44.34 | k31th | will take some decent backups |
| 00:44.35 | [p0lar] | o0 0o ******** this |
| 00:44.42 | k31th | and then do the etch upgrade |
| 00:44.42 | stoned | amphi: he did say paths |
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| 00:44.46 | k31th | thanks abrotman |
| 00:44.46 | stoned | amphi: I read paths too |
| 00:44.50 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.04 | stoned | he missed a c and an e |
| 00:45.07 | [p0lar] | amphi ok forget thank you very much for your assistence :) no problem |
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| 00:45.57 | mfrisch | hi abrotman! |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:46.40 | DocPlatypus | Pavel: probably a bit tricky given the design of the X protocol |
| 00:46.53 | DocPlatypus | granted... we're doing a lot of things with X that would have made its creators scream in horror |
| 00:47.01 | Pavel | DocPlatypus: That's what I figure. |
| 00:47.10 | stoned | hah, cool E is a major 3rd aboce C |
| 00:47.10 | stoned | haha |
| 00:47.12 | [p0lar] | i cant bealiver i probably need to put windows here lol :x |
| 00:47.22 | stoned | hey |
| 00:47.23 | mfrisch | stoner! |
| 00:47.26 | stoned | I'm using windows xp right now |
| 00:47.29 | Pavel | DocPlatypus: In the sense of modifying the code or or in the sense of using it in unexpected ways? |
| 00:47.30 | mfrisch | stoned! |
| 00:47.34 | stoned | mfrisch: hola |
| 00:47.45 | mfrisch | stoned: hows NYC? |
| 00:47.54 | stoned | its starting to grow on me a little |
| 00:47.56 | DocPlatypus | though admittedly it is a good thing GNU/Linux as used today, uses X ... it is at least far more flexible than Microsoft's Windows GUI |
| 00:47.57 | stoned | but I still hate it |
| 00:48.09 | DocPlatypus | which cannot for example be easily tunneled across ssh |
| 00:48.14 | stoned | you don't have to run explorer.exe as your shell |
| 00:48.30 | stoned | with 3rd party shells, its pretty damn customizable |
| 00:48.38 | stoned | you got bb4win and sub projects |
| 00:48.50 | stoned | that is blackbox btw |
| 00:48.51 | DocPlatypus | the protocol that applications use to display stuff in Windows does not change, though |
| 00:49.05 | stoned | ok thats a hard one |
| 00:49.12 | stoned | they do have remote desktop! |
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| 00:49.15 | stoned | =D |
| 00:49.30 | DocPlatypus | they do, but good luck running it on OSes not made by Microsoft |
| 00:49.41 | pipeline | DocPlatypus: uhh you mean like rdesktop and citrix? |
| 00:49.44 | stoned | I ran it on sarge for a while when i needed windows |
| 00:49.47 | DocPlatypus | yeah, it's portable... as long as you keep buying licenses from Microsoft |
| 00:49.49 | stoned | !rdp |
| 00:49.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rdp is an acronym. ask me about remote desktop protocol or reliable datagram protocol |
| 00:50.00 | stoned | !remote desktop protocol |
| 00:50.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, remote desktop protocol is a protocol to connect to a computer running Microsoft Terminal Services, with features similar to VNC. Debian's rdesktop package provides a RDP client. |
| 00:50.35 | jelly-home | hm, no mention of xrdp? |
| 00:51.00 | stoned | you have to buy a license just to use a windows desktop from your linux computer |
| 00:51.09 | stoned | evne if you own the copy of xp |
| 00:51.12 | stoned | or whatever |
| 00:51.13 | pipeline | uhhh.... no. |
| 00:51.20 | stoned | oh ok |
| 00:51.24 | stoned | I was like wtf is he talking about |
| 00:51.27 | pipeline | clients are free, even for citrix |
| 00:51.32 | pipeline | server side licensing is vicious |
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| 00:51.51 | pipeline | I eagerly await a headless windows server, because RDP licensing is just so damn crazy that it's easier to use a KVM :P |
| 00:51.56 | shogunx | maybe thats why xdmcp is a better choice |
| 00:52.02 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:52.21 | stoned | except that it isn't very secure |
| 00:52.32 | pipeline | ssh will get you both compression and security |
| 00:52.46 | shogunx | if you are on a untrusted net, yeah. |
| 00:52.48 | jelly-home | rdp works much better than ssh+x11forwarding, though. |
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| 00:52.51 | longin | hi |
| 00:52.52 | stoned | shogunx: well yeah |
| 00:53.00 | pipeline | jelly-home: try ssh+X11+compression :) |
| 00:53.05 | stoned | on internel networks its good |
| 00:53.06 | shogunx | pipeline, at a cost of cpu cycles though. |
| 00:53.07 | stoned | !nx |
| 00:53.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 00:53.17 | pipeline | jelly-home: it makes a huge difference in low-latency links, just because drawing libraries have gotten really, really, really stupid. |
| 00:53.26 | jelly-home | pipeline: I wouldn't dare using it without compression. it still lags as hell. |
| 00:53.39 | stoned | jelly-home: have you used nx? |
| 00:53.41 | stoned | free nx |
| 00:53.43 | pipeline | shogunx: at a cost of cpu cycles, in an era when a incredibly powerful CPU costs about a nickel; a complete piece of hardware is about $20 :P |
| 00:53.43 | shogunx | LTSP's ldm addresses some of the security issues inherent in straight xdmcp |
| 00:53.47 | jelly-home | stoned: not yet |
| 00:53.53 | jelly-home | stoned: rdp works well for me. |
| 00:54.29 | longin | i have ibm r61 laptop and i already had installed debian there ... i installed it without problems, but something happend and im installing again ... but theres an error with cdrom driver ... it says i probably use some old cdrom .. but thats impossoble, gives me some drivers to choose but noone is right and installation crash .. can you help me ? :o) |
| 00:54.36 | stoned | it makes sshx type stuff, caches and sets up proxy etc., or whatever it does, but you basically have ssh -X with very good response |
| 00:54.50 | shogunx | pipeline, well, those cpu cycles cost power too, which can be a hassle in remote locations, but you are 100% rigth about the cheap gear these days. |
| 00:54.57 | longin | i get up at 7:00 and go to work .. if i dont install it . im screwed ... |
| 00:54.58 | longin | :-) |
| 00:55.00 | jelly-home | longin: which version of debian are you installing? stable? |
| 00:55.04 | loupgaroublond | DocPlatypus, if you care, it's also going to be syndicated on planet fedora, http://loupgaroublond.blogspot.com/2007/09/human-fecal-matter-has-collided-with.html |
| 00:55.07 | longin | 4.0.0 something .. |
| 00:55.14 | stoned | we need a planet stoned |
| 00:55.24 | stoned | I think i'll go registe that domain |
| 00:55.29 | longin | yup, stable |
| 00:55.32 | jelly-home | longin: is the cdrom a sata device? |
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| 00:55.35 | longin | as the first time |
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| 00:55.38 | longin | i guess so .. |
| 00:55.40 | longin | oh i see |
| 00:55.55 | longin | i switched scsi mode to compatibility ... |
| 00:55.55 | longin | cause of windows |
| 00:55.57 | Wyzard | SATA optical drives should work fine in SATA |
| 00:55.58 | Pc_Dark | longin, boot a different version of linux until you get it working, so you don't get screwed. |
| 00:56.00 | longin | maybe its the problem |
| 00:56.02 | shogunx | stoned got it covered for my house at least, if not the whole planet:) |
| 00:56.09 | jelly-home | longin: go back to ahci, try again |
| 00:56.11 | nvz | longin: sounds like it |
| 00:56.32 | longin | it sounds logical |
| 00:56.33 | nvz | longin: you tha man, solved your own problem |
| 00:56.39 | longin | :-)) |
| 00:56.43 | Wyzard | longin: AHCI is currently the best-supported type of SATA controller for Linux AFAIK... always use AHCI where available |
| 00:56.45 | longin | you did :-) |
| 00:56.53 | jelly-home | Wyzard: "should work" and "work with 2.6.18 from etch" are a bit different |
| 00:56.58 | longin | Wyzard: im not sure what are you tolking about ... :-) |
| 00:57.01 | nvz | longin: that'll be $500 for cognitive therapy |
| 00:57.12 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I used SATA optical drives on an AHCI controller with that kernel |
| 00:57.41 | Wyzard | longin: AHCI is the native, non-"compatibility" mode for the SATA controller in an Intel chipset |
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| 00:57.52 | longin | i thought so :-) |
| 00:58.06 | longin | i see |
| 00:58.11 | longin | its there :-) |
| 00:58.32 | longin | i hope i dont have to switch it everytime i wanna boot to windows |
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| 00:58.49 | Pc_Dark | longin, don't boot windows. Use a VM. |
| 00:58.55 | longin | Pc_Dark: its slow |
| 00:58.56 | Wyzard | You can install the AHCI driver in Windows too |
| 00:58.57 | Pc_Dark | Dual booting is obsolete |
| 00:59.13 | Pc_Dark | longin, I can run winXP on 256MB RAM on a vm, easy |
| 00:59.21 | Pc_Dark | Well, I have 768MB, but 256 for the VM |
| 00:59.22 | longin | Pc_Dark: i ran it too |
| 00:59.32 | longin | but dont like it ... |
| 00:59.44 | Pc_Dark | WinXP will run efficient and fast on a decent proc. with 256mb vram. |
| 00:59.47 | longin | it isnt so slow as the resolution is small |
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| 01:00.00 | jelly-home | longin: you can also run Debian in a free vm on an XP installation |
| 01:00.03 | Pc_Dark | you can make it full screen, but, I just put it on other windows. |
| 01:00.09 | Pc_Dark | er, monitor |
| 01:00.14 | Pc_Dark | dual monitors are great for VMs |
| 01:00.28 | longin | i cant have two monitors .. its laptop :-) |
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| 01:00.41 | longin | technically its possible, but it sucks :-) |
| 01:00.45 | pipeline | XP will run fine in 64M. :P |
| 01:00.58 | pipeline | it won't install... but it'll run. And it'll run just dandy. |
| 01:01.17 | longin | VM just isnt option here :-) |
| 01:01.24 | pipeline | foolish |
| 01:01.31 | jelly-home | pipeline: I notice you don't say anything about apps running on it, just the OS :-) |
| 01:01.42 | Wyzard | pipeline: I recently had to do some work on a laptop running XP on 64MB... it was very slow, and swapping nearly constantly |
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| 01:01.58 | pipeline | Wyzard: Eh... depends on what you're doing :) |
| 01:02.07 | pipeline | Wyzard: You can fit Word, or IE in. Probably not both. |
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| 01:02.27 | Wyzard | I wasn't running either |
| 01:02.28 | pipeline | Wyzard: Desktop + OS alone are ~50M resident... so quite a lot is going to be swapped out to disk at any one time. Alt tabbing is not recommended :) |
| 01:02.33 | longin | btw, what do you think of ubuntu ? |
| 01:02.38 | [p0lar] | urg i think i will give linux :X |
| 01:02.42 | pipeline | longin: This is #debian. Think about what you just said. |
| 01:02.57 | Wyzard | longin: It's a good desktop distro, but it's offtopic here |
| 01:03.09 | longin | i know .. im just curious if you think it is fine, or if it sucks :-) |
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| 01:03.26 | pipeline | longin: oh boy a six month old fork of unstable, AWESOME. *rolleyes* |
| 01:03.44 | jelly-home | longin: both, for different reasons. it's still offtopic. :-) |
| 01:03.57 | longin | ok :-) |
| 01:04.28 | faust | longin, wouldn't set my grandma lose on any other distro, but Debian is still superior. |
| 01:04.42 | litage|w | i found some strange messages in my logs and i'm not sure what to make of them. they have to do with denying root access to the 'nobody' user. any ideas?: http://rafb.net/p/m4BKPJ86.html |
| 01:05.55 | longin | debian rocks :-) |
| 01:06.01 | geo-rge | that;s what a ubuntu release is at any point? a fork of debian unstable that was current 6 months before? |
| 01:06.16 | pipeline | geo-rge: Pretty much. Every six months they fork unstable and stop merging in changes :P |
| 01:06.24 | faust | geo-rge, nah, there's some userfriendliness added etc. |
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| 01:06.41 | geo-rge | so there are added packages too |
| 01:06.53 | pipeline | geo-rge: They include drivers that cannot be legally distributed. |
| 01:06.55 | geo-rge | that's all I wanted to know :) |
| 01:06.56 | Bogus8 | Will this in preferences keep apt-get from updating my kernel http://www.pastebin.ca/689396 |
| 01:07.00 | faust | pipeline, seeing as how Debian is merging Ubuntu packages from Ubuntu developers.. can't be just a fork.. |
| 01:07.05 | pipeline | geo-rge: but the company is headquartered in the isle of man, so I guess they can do whatever they want :) |
| 01:07.22 | geo-rge | where is that? |
| 01:07.22 | pipeline | faust: Canonical hired the debian "X strike force". So... for many packages, no, it's not a fork :) |
| 01:07.41 | pipeline | geo-rge: It's the european equivalent of the bahamas. A few thousand people, a few tens of thousands of sheep, a million or two corporations :) |
| 01:07.43 | faust | And the restricted drivers stuff, that's not something they ship with. |
| 01:07.53 | pipeline | faust: no, but it is something they distribute :P |
| 01:08.06 | faust | It's a tool for getting the proprietary drivers from sources that let them use them. |
| 01:08.30 | faust | Stuff that cannot be distributed as a part of the distro under the licence, but which is fine to add afterwards. |
| 01:08.45 | faust | Much like any of us would get the restricted nVidia drivers from nVidia anyway. |
| 01:08.55 | pipeline | faust: uhh.... right. Distributing infringing derivative works isn't infringing... if you distribute them later? :P |
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| 01:09.24 | faust | Difference between shipping stuff and letting a user download stuff. |
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| 01:09.44 | faust | Much like having a torrent tracker. It's allowed to facilitate, just not provide :D |
| 01:09.45 | gravity | pipeline: What? |
| 01:09.50 | gravity | pipeline: Wtf are you talking about? |
| 01:09.53 | pipeline | faust: There sure is. But it's not relevant here. Distribution is distribution. |
| 01:10.14 | gravity | pipeline: Canonical didn't hire the X Strike Force |
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| 01:10.37 | geo-rge | pipeline: in some cases. some of those licenses say you can't bundle with a full os |
| 01:11.04 | pipeline | geo-rge: *shrug* |
| 01:11.08 | pipeline | gravity: oh really? |
| 01:11.12 | gravity | pipeline: yes really |
| 01:11.20 | faust | Most distros just have to ship opensource. |
| 01:11.24 | gravity | Well, they did hire fabbionne, but he doesn't work on X |
| 01:11.24 | faust | After that, it's anyone |
| 01:11.31 | faust | 's game to add proprietary extensions. |
| 01:11.42 | gravity | They hired daniels, but he wasn't in the XSF, and he also doesn't work for Canonical any more |
| 01:11.53 | geo-rge | why not? |
| 01:12.05 | pipeline | gravity: consider my ass corrected |
| 01:12.14 | gravity | But they didn't hire Overfiend, myself, jcristau, or anyone else who's in the changelogs from the last two years |
| 01:12.40 | Bogus8 | Will this in preferences keep apt-get from updating my kernel http://www.pastebin.ca/689396 |
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| 01:12.56 | geo-rge | did they use any of those people on a short-contract basis? |
| 01:13.05 | gravity | And as for merging back from Ubuntu, at least in terms of the X stuff, we haven't merged anything back from them since 7.0 landed, which was a year and a half ago |
| 01:13.21 | gravity | They don't really go out of their way to give that stuff back either |
| 01:14.55 | phooka | anyone know that app that tails /var/log/message to ur desktop? |
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| 01:15.08 | faust | last time I actually used Debian with graphical interface was just after the 4.0 release, so I'm not really current... |
| 01:16.01 | DawnLight | is there something simpler then exim4? i only need something that will send via smtp with authentication |
| 01:16.19 | harlekin | phooka: conky can do this |
| 01:16.36 | phooka | harlekin: conky is a bit small for this |
| 01:16.45 | phooka | size wize anyways |
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| 01:18.18 | phooka | there was on app that did it and it was pretty big in size on the desktop |
| 01:18.29 | phooka | and was about 25ish lines long... |
| 01:19.26 | jelly-home | phooka: can't you change the font and setup in the conky thing? |
| 01:19.43 | phooka | jelly-home: i dont want conky big |
| 01:19.52 | longin | http://lamer.cz/quotes/show/9203 |
| 01:19.53 | longin | lol |
| 01:19.59 | longin | shes trying to tell him she loves him |
| 01:20.06 | longin | but hes doing something with db :-) |
| 01:20.21 | longin | and dont care :-))))) |
| 01:20.23 | longin | awesome |
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| 01:26.45 | jae | *Gah |
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| 01:27.00 | jae | How do I get my message text back in Thunderbird? |
| 01:27.21 | jae | (No, this is not really Debian-specific...) |
| 01:27.32 | geo-rge | dunno... is there an outbox? |
| 01:28.14 | jae | I moved the separator between headers and text all the way to the bottom, now all it shows is the headers :( |
| 01:28.42 | jae | Is there an IRC channel for Mozilla crap somewhere? :P |
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| 01:30.56 | Teejay__ | Hi |
| 01:31.05 | phooka | jelly-home: you know of any other utils? |
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| 01:31.29 | Teejay__ | I've just installed the Debian etch version of Mplayer, does it come with win32codecs or I need to install them |
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| 01:32.29 | abrotman | install them |
| 01:32.36 | jelly-home | phooka: xconsole, transparent term with tail -f? :-) |
| 01:32.46 | abrotman | jae: irc.mozilla.org IIRC |
| 01:32.59 | Teejay__ | thanks abrotman |
| 01:33.05 | phooka | jelly-home: can you point me to a doc somewhere? |
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| 01:33.27 | jelly-home | phooka: I can't |
| 01:35.14 | jae | abrotman: thanks, found it on my own in the meantime |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:35.46 | jae | No reaction so far (okay, IRC needs patience... but when the headers part of the window is stuck at 70% of the total height...) |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | stop showing all headers ? |
| 01:37.58 | Bogus8 | Will this in preferences keep apt-get from updating my kernel http://www.pastebin.ca/689396 |
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| 01:40.25 | jae | abrotman: could be a mnenhy problem... and the headers display area is stuck, when I say "no headers", I just get a big fat empty area :) |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | a who problem ? |
| 01:41.22 | jae | mnenhy, a thunderbird addon (so you can look at the message headers) |
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| 01:42.47 | abrotman | uhm .. i thought tbird showed them anyways |
| 01:44.26 | jae | Restart fixed it... stupid me ;) |
| 01:45.09 | jae | abrotman: tbird shows all or almost nothing (brief), mnenhy gives you more control over what it shows |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:46.41 | bluntman225 | hey neone here |
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| 01:47.22 | bluntman225 | is it possible to mount a nfs or a samba fileshare as part of the local filesystem? |
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| 01:48.15 | mmnicolas | bluntman225: this is THE way |
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| 01:48.27 | mmnicolas | bluntman225: everything mounted is "as a part of the fs" |
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| 01:54.19 | Tobsn | can someone tell me how i can test if the debian version i have installed is secure or the latest one? |
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| 01:54.36 | bluntman225 | mmnicolas: i understand that, but how can i "mount" a samaba share |
| 01:54.53 | abrotman | Tobsn: do you have the security.debian.org apt source |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:55.11 | Tobsn | yeah i updated, upgraded, dist-upgraded |
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| 01:55.21 | Tobsn | si there somewhere a debian version? |
| 01:55.30 | litage|w | Tobsn: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:55.37 | litage|w | i found some strange messages in my logs and i'm not sure what to make of them. they have to do with denying root access to the 'nobody' user. any ideas?: http://rafb.net/p/m4BKPJ86.html |
| 01:55.44 | Tobsn | 4.0 |
| 01:55.55 | Tobsn | Linux t521 2.6.19.3 |
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| 01:56.02 | adrakoa | hi |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | Tobsn: that's not a debian kernel |
| 01:56.40 | Tobsn | its debian etch |
| 01:56.58 | Wyzard | litage|w: That looks to me like it's denying "nobody" access to the root user |
| 01:57.20 | Wyzard | litage|w: could be a misconfigured PAM |
| 01:57.41 | Wyzard | Tobsn: etch's kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | why is nobody trying to su to root ? |
| 01:57.54 | StRyCk3r | hi people |
| 01:57.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: root is trying so su to nobody |
| 01:58.00 | litage|w | Wyzard: i've enabled the "wheel" group in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | derh .. misread :0 |
| 01:58.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:58.33 | Tobsn | dudes... i just did apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade under debian, it is debian... so its a debian kernel or debian.org installs now other kernels with dist-upgrade |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | that is not a debian kernel |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | someone compiledit |
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| 01:59.01 | Tobsn | ... |
| 01:59.05 | Tobsn | no. |
| 01:59.13 | Wyzard | Tobsn: 2.6.19 has never been in Debian... went straight from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 |
| 01:59.19 | litage|w | Tobsn: what does this command output?: uname -a |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | or cat /proc/version |
| 01:59.44 | Tobsn | liable, i pasted above |
| 01:59.52 | Wyzard | Tobsn: and even 2.6.20 is only in testing/unstable... etch has 2.6.18 and nothing else |
| 01:59.53 | Tobsn | # uname -a |
| 01:59.53 | Tobsn | Linux t521 2.6.19.3 #1 Mon Feb 19 11:22:17 CET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:59.59 | Wyzard | Tobsn: unofficial sources maybe? |
| 02:00.02 | Tobsn | # cat /proc/version |
| 02:00.02 | Tobsn | Linux version 2.6.19.3 (root@rescue-v532) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Mon Feb 19 11:22:17 CET 2007 |
| 02:00.06 | Tobsn | cant be |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | absolutely not a debian kernel |
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| 02:00.13 | Tobsn | or wait |
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| 02:00.17 | Tobsn | prolly from the hoster |
| 02:00.28 | Tobsn | can it be that the debian hoster compiled his own kernel? |
| 02:00.34 | Wyzard | oh, if it's a vhost, then yes, that's likely |
| 02:00.39 | Tobsn | but if so, why does a dist-upgrade doesnt get the newest .20 version? |
| 02:00.43 | Tobsn | no vhost. |
| 02:00.58 | Wyzard | .20 is only in testing/unstable |
| 02:01.02 | Tobsn | the installation is called "Debian Etch 4.0 32bit" |
| 02:01.05 | Wyzard | etch has .18, and that's what's supported by the security team |
| 02:01.10 | wolfsong | does anyone know of a way to convert an Outlook 2003 pst to mbox format without having to install Outlook? |
| 02:01.16 | Wyzard | actually, .20 isn't in testing/unstable anymore, .22 is |
| 02:01.31 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 02:01.40 | Wyzard | Look in /boot |
| 02:01.40 | Tobsn | so im secure with this one? |
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| 02:01.44 | Wyzard | who knows |
| 02:01.47 | Bogus8 | how do I use preferences keep apt-get from updating my kernel current preferences > http://www.pastebin.ca/689396 |
| 02:01.55 | Wyzard | Your 2.6.19 is not something supported by Debian's security team |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | Tobsn: ask your provider |
| 02:02.04 | Tobsn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 4467046 2007-09-10 03:51 initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:02.05 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 02:02.17 | Tobsn | System.map-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 02:02.28 | Wyzard | Tobsn: Presumably there's a vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 which goes with that |
| 02:02.34 | Wyzard | Tobsn: (vmlinuz is the kernel itself) |
| 02:02.44 | Tobsn | vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:02.49 | Wyzard | Tobsn: so you have Debian's up-to-date kernel on your disk... but it's not the one you're actually running |
| 02:02.59 | Tobsn | hehe looks so |
| 02:03.01 | Wyzard | Just having the file there doesn't magically make you secure |
| 02:03.04 | Tobsn | if you can trust uname -a |
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| 02:03.23 | abrotman | if you can't trust uname -a .. you've got larger problems |
| 02:03.35 | Tobsn | its a fresh install |
| 02:03.37 | Tobsn | 5 minutes old |
| 02:03.42 | Tobsn | so i think im fine |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | i think your kernel is questionable |
| 02:04.04 | Wyzard | If you just did a clean install, where did that 2.6.19 come from? |
| 02:04.14 | Tobsn | clean install |
| 02:04.16 | Wyzard | You're running an unsupported kernel that doesn't get security fixes from Debian |
| 02:04.35 | lymeca | Hi, I'm trying to change permissions on files/directories on my PowerBook's main HFS+ partition so that I may copy all the data from my "Users" directory in Mac OS X off before wiping that partition and installing Debian. |
| 02:04.36 | Wyzard | The fact that you have the latest packaged 2.6.18 installed is completely irrelevant if you're not actually running that kernel |
| 02:04.39 | lymeca | The problem is that I can't change permissions because the HFS+ volume is mounted read-only, and hpmount doesn't work beause it says it's not a real HFS+ partition. How can I copy the data off and mount it as read/write? |
| 02:04.39 | Tobsn | apt- get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot |
| 02:04.49 | Tobsn | those are the only commands executed so far ;) |
| 02:04.52 | Wyzard | Tobsn: Is there a 2.6.19 in /boot? |
| 02:04.56 | Tobsn | nope |
| 02:05.01 | Tobsn | thats the weird thing |
| 02:05.11 | Gm4n | what's a good package to let my debian server monitor bandwidth usage per website? |
| 02:05.13 | Wyzard | Tobsn: and this isn't a VPS? |
| 02:05.17 | Tobsn | no. |
| 02:05.39 | Wyzard | Tobsn: It's a completely independent machine that runs no other operating system besides the one copy of Debian? |
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| 02:06.20 | Tobsn | its a dedicated server |
| 02:06.23 | Tobsn | one single box |
| 02:06.25 | Tobsn | only for me |
| 02:06.36 | Tobsn | i know the difference between VPS... a VPS would be much cheaper ;) |
| 02:06.48 | Wyzard | Then your provider has done something weird to it, and you should ask them why it's running a kernel different than the one you installed on it |
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| 02:07.31 | Wyzard | If it were a VPS, I wouldn't be surprised, because things like vserver and OpenVZ use the kernel provded by the "master" VM, so the other VMs have no control over what kernel they run |
| 02:07.39 | geo-rge | I would have thought there'd normally be two things you'd know the difference between... maybe that's just me... |
| 02:07.56 | Wyzard | but if it's a standalone dedicated server, your hosting company would need to have done something rather weird to it for it to be booting a non-standard kernel that you didn't actually install |
| 02:08.03 | neantror | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.19 | Wyzard | Perhaps they're lying and it's really a virtual machine rather than a dedicated box |
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| 02:09.09 | Tobsn | no they dont lying ;) |
| 02:09.27 | Wyzard | Tobsn: then ask them why they screwed up your expensive dedicated server with an unsupported kernel that you don't want |
| 02:09.36 | geo-rge | so then there should be no problem asking why it's running tht kernel |
| 02:09.41 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 02:10.02 | lek__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.16 | adrakoa | does someone live in dublin? |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | adrakoa: i'd like to.. can you buy me a house? :) |
| 02:11.12 | adrakoa | hehe |
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| 02:13.34 | Lisper | hi |
| 02:13.59 | Lisper | How do I get the free space in each of the mounted drives? |
| 02:14.10 | abrotman | df -h |
| 02:14.16 | adrakoa | df -h |
| 02:14.22 | Lisper | thanks :) |
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| 02:19.05 | Spyro_boy | hello. |
| 02:19.26 | Spyro_boy | I installed some stupid rogue mugshot-client package a while back |
| 02:19.30 | Spyro_boy | and it never worked properly. |
| 02:19.42 | Spyro_boy | now it's screwing my whole package dep. |
| 02:20.04 | abrotman | so remove it |
| 02:20.42 | Spyro_boy | Now dist-upgrade won't work: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the mugshot apackage. This might mean you needto manually fix this package. |
| 02:20.55 | Spyro_boy | I'm in a tty and I don't have copy-paste. :/ |
| 02:22.00 | Spyro_boy | single-user mode, actually. |
| 02:22.18 | abrotman | so you can't remove it ? |
| 02:22.24 | Spyro_boy | doesn't seem like I can. |
| 02:22.33 | Spyro_boy | is there a way to go "damnit, startover" |
| 02:22.59 | Spyro_boy | and clear dpkg and install from a dist-upgrade? |
| 02:23.11 | Spyro_boy | I mean, without reinstalling the system. |
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| 02:24.39 | abrotman | what file can't it locate ? |
| 02:24.50 | Spyro_boy | I don't know |
| 02:24.51 | Spyro_boy | doesn't say |
| 02:24.57 | Spyro_boy | Really. |
| 02:25.16 | Spyro_boy | Writing extended state information... Error! |
| 02:25.23 | Spyro_boy | and then what I showed you up there. |
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| 02:25.30 | abrotman | that's pretty darn vague |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | Spyro_boy: you can't dpkg -P the package ? |
| 02:25.45 | Spyro_boy | don't tell me that, that's all aptitude is saying. |
| 02:25.49 | Spyro_boy | abrotman, let me check. |
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| 02:26.23 | Spyro_boy | abrotman, says this: |
| 02:26.52 | Spyro_boy | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | is that all ? |
| 02:27.01 | Lisper | just an oppinion. Try aptitude. Let's the user deal with broken packages easier |
| 02:27.31 | Spyro_boy | postrm script? |
| 02:27.43 | Spyro_boy | abrotman, I was thinking that but I had no idea where they could be located. |
| 02:27.55 | Spyro_boy | Lisper, if you're saying that I'm not using aptitude, I tried it also. |
| 02:28.07 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 02:28.09 | Spyro_boy | oh nevermind, I see what you mean. |
| 02:28.18 | Spyro_boy | but I did try aptitude. |
| 02:28.21 | Spyro_boy | abrotman, I'll look |
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| 02:28.37 | abrotman | so like /var/lib/dpkg/info/mugshot.postrm |
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| 02:28.54 | abrotman | and if you put an 'exit 0;' at the top .. it'll skip whatever it was trying to do |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | after the shebang though |
| 02:29.40 | Spyro_boy | I added a exit 0 right at the top |
| 02:29.45 | Spyro_boy | because it doesn't look needed |
| 02:29.48 | Spyro_boy | oh, you said that. |
| 02:29.49 | Spyro_boy | haha |
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| 02:30.04 | Spyro_boy | that worked. |
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| 02:30.35 | Spyro_boy | Yay. I think it's working. |
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| 02:34.14 | Bogus8 | how do I use preferences keep apt-get from updating my kernel current preferences > http://www.pastebin.ca/689396 |
| 02:34.17 | Spyro_boy | seems that everything dist'd properly except for libpam0g or something |
| 02:34.25 | Spyro_boy | I'll reboot to check if my nvidia drivers won't crash. |
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| 02:34.49 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 02:34.49 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | Bogus8: what kernel is it trying to install > |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:35.33 | Bogus8 | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:35.47 | Wyzard | Bogus8: and why don't you want that kernel installed? |
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| 02:35.50 | Wyzard | It contains a security fix |
| 02:35.54 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I've read about pinning... I just can't seem to do it right, read the entire man page for apt_preferences |
| 02:35.57 | abrotman | Bogus8: you want that |
| 02:35.58 | phooka | how bad of a security fix? |
| 02:36.04 | abrotman | phooka: read the DSA |
| 02:36.10 | phooka | pft |
| 02:36.10 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 02:36.11 | dpkg | somebody said dsa was Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame |
| 02:36.11 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: because I have to rebuild my nvidia driver everytime |
| 02:36.11 | geo-rge | security fix bad? |
| 02:36.18 | phooka | i just wanted a simple explantion |
| 02:36.20 | Wyzard | http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1363 |
| 02:36.23 | phooka | not an hour of reading |
| 02:36.34 | Wyzard | Bogus8: It's a one-time thing, not an "every time" |
| 02:36.34 | Bogus8 | and I'm behind a NAT so I'm not too worried about security flaws |
| 02:36.51 | geo-rge | phooka: ok so either you read yourself or (what is the alternative?) someone reads to you |
| 02:37.02 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Install the kernel, "module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel -l 2.6.18-5-686" to prepare the new nVidia module package, and reboot |
| 02:37.07 | phooka | geo-rge: i just wanted to know bad it was, but w/e |
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| 02:37.10 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: everytime I install a new kernel it breaks my drivers so yes it's everytime |
| 02:37.12 | Wyzard | Bogus8: That's all there is to it |
| 02:37.18 | geo-rge | would you like us to read to you? :) |
| 02:37.22 | pibe86 | hello, a good software to edit images |
| 02:37.23 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I need a later kernel to run compiz |
| 02:37.24 | pibe86 | ? |
| 02:37.25 | Wyzard | Bogus8: yeah, but it's not like you install a new kernel on a regular basis |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | -5- went through two bug fixes IIRC |
| 02:37.32 | Wyzard | Bogus8: no you don't |
| 02:37.32 | abrotman | pibe86: gimp |
| 02:37.37 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: not kernel but nvidia driver |
| 02:37.47 | geo-rge | phooka: go find out |
| 02:37.48 | pibe86 | abrotman, do you know another one? |
| 02:37.58 | geo-rge | you can, you even have the link |
| 02:37.59 | Wyzard | Bogus8: oh, you mean you're not using the packaged one |
| 02:38.08 | Wyzard | Bogus8: still, it's not like it's a great deal of work to install it |
| 02:38.12 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: no, it doesn't have something I need (I forgot what it is) |
| 02:38.13 | geo-rge | but like you say, w/e |
| 02:38.20 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Yes, AIGLX, I know |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | pibe86: depends on the type of image .. but gimp is usually good enough |
| 02:38.27 | tuv | i have a problem with an external usb disk. whenever it's idle long enough, it becomes read-only, with the following shown in dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/36701 |
| 02:38.29 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: no, but I want to be able to just choose it when I am ready |
| 02:38.38 | pibe86 | ok |
| 02:38.41 | tuv | it's a new disk that is just formatted |
| 02:38.49 | Bogus8 | if I update and don't reboot right away it might lend me to be quite confused next time I boot |
| 02:38.58 | Wyzard | Bogus8: but you're saying that you want to continue running an unsupported kernel with known security vulnerabilities, just because you can't be bothered to spend two minutes updating your nVidia driver |
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| 02:39.50 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: security issues that won't concern me and like I said, I can update at a later time if it seems to be a kernel issue causing me any problems |
| 02:40.41 | geo-rge | Wyzard: well if he's going to run the stable kernel and probably stable dist, that's one thing... but if he goes beyond, the driver isn't built for some cases (arches maybe?) and so it's possible it would take more than 2 minx |
| 02:40.47 | geo-rge | mins |
| 02:41.08 | Wyzard | geo-rge: He's using a newer version of the nVidia driver, so presumably nVidia's script installer rather than the packages |
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| 02:41.13 | Wyzard | so he'd just run the script again |
| 02:41.16 | Bogus8 | it is |
| 02:41.20 | Wyzard | so difficult |
| 02:41.30 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 02:41.40 | Bogus8 | but I already have ATA2 time out issues that makes a boot last 10 minutes so yes, it can be a bother to add minutes to that |
| 02:42.10 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Actually, you should look into backported packages of the newer nVidia driver -- that way you can use module-assistant and build the new kernel's driver module *before* you reboot |
| 02:42.25 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: that might be a good plan |
| 02:42.38 | Wyzard | Bogus8: and btw, it might be possible to do that with nVidia's script too -- check its docs for a command-line option to specify a kernel version, and tell it to install for 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 02:42.48 | BUMBACL0T | how come i can't access my ftp remotely, the ip is dmz'd, im using vsftp. |
| 02:42.55 | Bogus8 | but I still want to understand this pinning though, and I still need to make sure I ONLY install unstable packages IF I choose to and not just if they aren't in stable |
| 02:43.01 | geo-rge | Bogus8: you have failing hardware? |
| 02:43.12 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: nope, it's the cdrom |
| 02:43.36 | geo-rge | which cdrom is that? |
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| 02:44.10 | pibe86 | anyone knows a software to manage a soccer team? |
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| 02:44.26 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: give me a sec |
| 02:44.31 | Dewi | is a modern boot loader going to get... upset... if I try to boot from a partition starting at cylinder... 9854 ? |
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| 02:45.05 | Dewi | this is on a controller linux thinks of as scsi... |
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| 02:45.36 | Wyzard | Dewi: I'm pretty sure BIOSes haven't had the 1024-cylinder limit in a long time |
| 02:45.38 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: SATA Vendor: MATSHITA Model: UJDA750 DVD/CDRW Rev: 1.60 |
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| 02:45.50 | zerokill88 | wow can someone help me out here, i was in #ubuntu channel and asked a question, a strange named replied saying i had mail and should /server mail and when i did i was banned form that channel? what happend or how can i get unbanned??? please help |
| 02:45.53 | Dewi | Wyzard: yeah. But if I know storage there will be some other annoying limit somewhere :P |
| 02:46.04 | Wyzard | Dewi: not that I've ever heard of |
| 02:46.04 | Dewi | Wyzard: for me it's usually at the 2^16 cylinders point |
| 02:46.16 | Dewi | Wyzard: but my stories there are considered odd and strange |
| 02:46.48 | geo-rge | Bogus8: so a sata writer |
| 02:46.56 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: yeah |
| 02:46.56 | Dewi | (I have a whole bunch of computers that won't even post if they see a disk on a PCI controller with > 65536 cylinders |
| 02:47.00 | Dewi | ) |
| 02:47.24 | geo-rge | is it that it takes awhile for the linux kernel to try to see all the drives on the sata chains? |
| 02:48.22 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: no, it gives me a timeout ... trying to get the message but I got a sloppy script that is dumping a lot to the syslog right now ;) |
| 02:48.24 | Dewi | zerokill88: um... we can't possibly know why you were banned from #ubuntu. But you shouldn't type things in that random people on IRC tell you to |
| 02:48.58 | zerokill88 | dewi well most of the time its all support and this has never happend to me, so i have no idea |
| 02:49.08 | abrotman | zerokill88: msg the op that banned you |
| 02:49.21 | Dewi | zerokill88: I'm surprised you're here at all if you are connected to an irc server called simply 'mail' |
| 02:49.42 | geo-rge | Bogus8: so... hardware issues :) not necessarily that the hw (controller, drive) is broken, but it's not doing its thing |
| 02:50.20 | zerokill88 | abrotman how do i find out who the op is? |
| 02:50.28 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: ata2.01: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) |
| 02:50.32 | FrozenDawn | can anyone tell me how to get "info" files for debian ? |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list |
| 02:50.41 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: ata2: failed to recover some devices, retrying in 5 secs |
| 02:50.52 | zerokill88 | dewi i am not connected to a server called mail, the command was /server mail |
| 02:51.14 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: oh, this happens right before all that ata2.01: qc timeout (cmd 0xa1) |
| 02:51.45 | geo-rge | Bogus8: you must have tried switching sata cables... anyway, I'm outtahere for awhile |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | zerokill88: regardless .. this isn't an issue for #debian .. msg the #ubuntu op or maybe ask a freenode staff member |
| 02:52.12 | Spyro_boy | yay |
| 02:52.13 | Spyro_boy | seems to work |
| 02:52.18 | Wyzard | Bogus8: I think certain SATA controllers have issues... my laptop spews a bunch of messages about "HSM violation" while initializing the CD drive at startup, though it doesn't actually slow down the boot process, and that's a PATA drive connected to a SATA controller via a bridge |
| 02:52.19 | Spyro_boy | that's the last time I'm installing rogue packages. |
| 02:52.20 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: it's a laptop |
| 02:52.32 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 02:52.34 | Wyzard | Bogus8: On the other hand, I have two SATA DVD burners in this desktop, and they work fine |
| 02:52.42 | geo-rge | sata huh? interesting :) |
| 02:53.05 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I believe that... for me it sits for 5 secs before it works on it again which takes a while to fail... and it does it at least 3 times |
| 02:53.15 | Wyzard | Bogus8: What type of chipset is in the laptop? |
| 02:53.21 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Is it Intel-based? |
| 02:53.33 | Bogus8 | hmm, I think so, let me double check... anyway to do that in /proc? |
| 02:53.50 | Wyzard | not that I know of, but if it has an Intel processor, it most likely has an Intel chipset too |
| 02:53.51 | geo-rge | I guess you could lspci? |
| 02:54.06 | Wyzard | hmm, that'd work |
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| 02:54.28 | Bogus8 | ti's intel |
| 02:54.38 | Bogus8 | at least that is what 90% of what lspci gives me |
| 02:54.52 | Wyzard | OK, good... go into the BIOS, and look for settings for the SATA controller, and see if you can enable AHCI mode |
| 02:54.56 | Bogus8 | IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03) |
| 02:55.11 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: you just are determined to make me reboot huh? :p |
| 02:55.15 | Wyzard | Intel's SATA controllers can operate in two different modes: ICH5-compatible "legacy" mode, and native AHCI mode |
| 02:55.25 | Wyzard | AHCI is very well-supported |
| 02:55.47 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: hmm, I got to remember/figure how to get into the bios... stupid toshiba |
| 02:55.52 | Wyzard | If you can use AHCI you may be able to avoid these problems with the optical drive entirely |
| 02:56.17 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: if not is there anyway to disable whatever check that is? or at least not make it try more than once? |
| 02:56.25 | Wyzard | You might not be able to enable AHCI though -- for some reason my Thinkpad doesn't provide a BIOS option for it, even though the chipset supports it |
| 02:56.27 | Wyzard | Not that I know of |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | hrm .. Wyzard doesn't have the correct hostmask anymore! |
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| 02:58.12 | Bogus8 | ok, guess I'll update my kernel and then reboot and rebuild drivers... well, maybe I'll look at backports... I wish I understood that better |
| 02:58.23 | billyoreilly | hi, just installed etch. can't remember which version of x is currently in use, free86 or xorg..? |
| 02:58.31 | liable | hrm, my TP has a ahci mode in bios |
| 02:58.32 | billyoreilly | relatively new to this as you may have gueses |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | xorgg |
| 02:58.58 | billyoreilly | thanking you. |
| 02:59.02 | Wyzard | liable: The newer ones do, I think, but my Z60m (ICH6 chipset) doesn't |
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| 02:59.18 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: no bios update maybe/ |
| 02:59.50 | Wyzard | There have been several updates, but none added an AHCI option, unfortunately |
| 02:59.51 | liable | Wyzard: oh, mines a year and a bit old now, but yeah, its ich7 |
| 03:00.17 | Wyzard | On the other hand, a bios update for my desktop system's motherboard added AHCI as an option for the JMicron controller that's also built into the motherboard (in addition to the Intel ICH8 SATA controller) |
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| 03:01.09 | Wyzard | so my desktop now has eight AHCI SATA ports :-) |
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| 03:02.09 | gravity | twice the g's in xorg |
| 03:02.16 | gravity | We're awesome like that |
| 03:02.29 | Wyzard | ? |
| 03:02.38 | gravity | Just making fun of abrotman's typo |
| 03:02.44 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:02.45 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:02.46 | Bogus8 | how can I check what version is in backports... I know how to do apt-search policy but it doesn't show backports |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:03.33 | Wyzard | Bogus8: It's "apt-cache policy", and it only shows packages from sources you actually have in your sources.list |
| 03:03.42 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: yeah, typo |
| 03:03.44 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Add sources for backports.org |
| 03:03.49 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I have it already |
| 03:03.54 | polishkoop | I'm trying to use samba to share a folder throughout my network, but I can't seem to locate this folder from my other computers. What am I missing? I configured the /etc/samba/smb.conf file for the specific folder and set browseable = yes. |
| 03:04.07 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Have you done "apt-get update" after adding the backports sources? |
| 03:04.23 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I have... backports have been in for months |
| 03:04.37 | Wyzard | Bogus8: and what package are you looking at? |
| 03:04.43 | Wyzard | Bogus8: it might just be that there's no backport of it |
| 03:04.44 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: nvidia-glx |
| 03:05.19 | Wyzard | Bogus8: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions -- does your sources.list line look like the one there, including the mention of "etch-backports" ? |
| 03:05.22 | drmitch | anyone know how to view composite from a PVR-150 ? |
| 03:05.39 | Bogus8 | that's what I'm reading now |
| 03:06.11 | Wyzard | Bogus8: etch backports are in a separate repository... if you had "backports" rather than "etch-backports", you'd be getting stuff for sarge :-) |
| 03:06.28 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: identical to that one |
| 03:06.37 | Wyzard | Maybe there's no nVidia backport, then |
| 03:06.52 | Wyzard | You could use the package from testing/unstable though |
| 03:07.14 | Bogus8 | give me something that IS in backports and I'll check to make sure it's showing up in policy |
| 03:07.37 | Wyzard | don't know of any offhand; I run unstable so I don't pay much attention to backports |
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| 03:08.06 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: gotcha |
| 03:08.47 | Wyzard | Anyway, you can download the .debs for nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 03:08.52 | Wyzard | Those should work in etch, I believe |
| 03:09.07 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: I just used mutt since it's the example on that page... it showed up |
| 03:09.35 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: what's the benefit? |
| 03:10.09 | Wyzard | Bogus8: newer driver which supports AIGLX, but still nicely packaged |
| 03:10.33 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: what does "nicely packaged" actually mean though |
| 03:10.59 | Wyzard | knows how to properly integrate itself into a Debian installation |
| 03:11.08 | Wyzard | won't be broken when the Mesa libraries get upgraded, for example |
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| 03:11.23 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: so kernel updates won't break it? |
| 03:11.39 | Wyzard | You'll still need to build updated kernel modules, but you can do it conveniently with module-assistant |
| 03:12.00 | Wyzard | and with module-assistant's "-l" option, you can build and install the modules for a new kernel *before* you boot the new kernel for the first time |
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| 03:12.51 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: think there will ever be a backports... it won't get into stable right? |
| 03:13.10 | Wyzard | I would guess it'll probably be backported at some point, but I don't really know |
| 03:13.21 | Wyzard | It definitely won't go into stable -- only critical bugfixes go into stable |
| 03:13.28 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: right |
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| 03:20.05 | BUMBACL0T | how come i can't access my ftp remotely, the ip is dmz'd, im using vsftp. |
| 03:20.23 | BUMBACL0T | but it works locally (lan) |
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| 03:21.00 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 03:22.18 | stiv2k | what is avahi? |
| 03:22.27 | Guerin | something to google |
| 03:22.32 | stiv2k | good idea |
| 03:22.41 | Wyzard | stiv2k: It's a free implementation of what Apple calls "Bonjour" |
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| 03:22.53 | stiv2k | Wyzard: i dont know what bonjour is |
| 03:23.25 | marc7 | stiv2k: used to be called Rendezvous.. but it's a protocol to allow devices to autodiscover each other easily |
| 03:23.42 | marc7 | plug a printer in, everybody on the local network is immediately aware of it |
| 03:23.47 | stiv2k | interesting |
| 03:23.56 | marc7 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
| 03:24.03 | Wyzard | or a device with a built-in web UI, like a router or a TiVo or something |
| 03:24.23 | Wyzard | A Bonjour-aware Web browser will automatically put it on the bookmarks menu |
| 03:24.29 | Wyzard | and remove it when the device is disconnected |
| 03:25.05 | Wyzard | You can also use it to resolve hostnames on a LAN without a DNS server -- if a machine is called "foo", "foo.local" will resolve to its IP |
| 03:25.18 | dalias | sounds rather silly.. |
| 03:25.52 | Wyzard | It's pretty useful |
| 03:26.00 | dalias | sounds exploitable too :) |
| 03:26.12 | marc7 | not as much as you'd think |
| 03:26.12 | liable | sounds like a great way to turn linux boxes into chattering idiots like windows boxen |
| 03:26.33 | liable | wasnt there a recent apple exploit of it? |
| 03:27.06 | Wyzard | Not that I heard of, but if there was, it'd likely be something specific to Apple's implementation |
| 03:27.27 | marc7 | liable: who cares if they're chattering idiots... as long as the chatter is cohesive and universally understood... not just a microsoft protocol that was arbitrarily defined and changes whenever they feel like it |
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| 03:28.05 | Wyzard | As for traffic, the messages are small, and a tiny fraction of the bandwidth of a LAN... the protocol does include measures to avoid generating unnecessary traffic, but the spec notes that since it's intended for use on LANs, keeping traffic to a minimum isn't as much of a big deal |
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| 03:28.35 | dalias | i care about chatter |
| 03:29.05 | dalias | a few years back, 15-20% of the dsl i was paying for was saturated with idiotic windows boxes spamming broadcast crap |
| 03:29.27 | Wyzard | dalias: This is link-local traffic on your LAN, not something that goes out on the Internet |
| 03:29.29 | dalias | they finally seem to have blocked the windows ports |
| 03:29.30 | dalias | no |
| 03:29.42 | dalias | this was over the internet, on the local class-C of dsl |
| 03:29.54 | dalias | the windows boxes were spamming the whole class-C network |
| 03:30.14 | dalias | some idiot was running norton ghost in broadcast mode one time |
| 03:30.25 | dalias | and broadcasting his porn mirroring to every dsl customer |
| 03:30.25 | marc7 | *nod* i saw the same thing dalias. most providers finally locked that down due to all the holes that open file & print shares allowed |
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| 03:30.37 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:31.01 | Wyzard | dalias: I don't see how that's an argument against using Bonjour on your own LAN, though |
| 03:31.03 | dalias | if i'd had any windows nuke utils i sure would have hit that bastard with it |
| 03:31.50 | dalias | wyzard, no, i have different reasons for that |
| 03:31.58 | dalias | basically that it's a broken privilege model |
| 03:32.12 | dalias | and broken session model |
| 03:32.36 | dalias | a particular user's processes shouldn't magically get notification of and access to hardware that's plugged in |
| 03:32.44 | dalias | just because that user happens to be logged in |
| 03:33.13 | Wyzard | Hardware hotplugging is completely different from service discovery on a network |
| 03:33.36 | dalias | it's actually rather the same thing, just a different means of connection |
| 03:33.42 | Wyzard | though I see nothing wrong with notifying all interested users when new hardware has been plugged in |
| 03:33.51 | dalias | hardware events (service becoming available) do not belong to the logged-in user |
| 03:33.54 | dalias | they belong to root |
| 03:34.02 | Wyzard | Those who have permission to use it know that they can now do so, and those who don't have permission can't do anything |
| 03:34.12 | dalias | of course i'm one of these wacko nuts who despises dbus |
| 03:34.16 | dalias | so feel free to ignore me |
| 03:34.28 | dalias | (but i have plenty of other reasons for hating dbus) |
| 03:34.49 | Wyzard | notifying all interested users of hardware events is no worse than letting all users run things like lspci |
| 03:35.26 | dalias | it makes for unclean unportable application design |
| 03:35.46 | dalias | applications don't go around running lspci |
| 03:35.50 | Wyzard | and all Bonjour does is tell people on a LAN that a service exists... if the service isn't open to everyone, it can (and should) do its own access control |
| 03:35.54 | dalias | they do go around (ab)using dbus |
| 03:36.08 | marc7 | I don't think i agree dalias, of course they don't go around polling, but if they have a resource to receive events from the system, so much the better |
| 03:36.12 | Wyzard | dalias: of course, but they probably would be polling for hardware changes if there wasn't a system in place to notify about them |
| 03:36.26 | dalias | marc7, but the events aren't any of their business to begin with |
| 03:36.41 | dalias | there's no reason an "import photos wizard" should appear when you plug in a digital camera |
| 03:36.51 | dalias | you can #($)*$# run it manually |
| 03:36.56 | marc7 | ah, see, that's where our opinions differ |
| 03:37.01 | dalias | you physically plugged it in, so you know it was just plugged in! |
| 03:37.09 | dalias | there's no reason software needs notification of this |
| 03:37.28 | dalias | it's a huge layer of bloat and complexity that's not useful |
| 03:38.03 | marc7 | you're the minority here. I personally see a general trend in application design where interfaces change based on recent events |
| 03:38.15 | dalias | it's windows-ism |
| 03:38.16 | marc7 | i mean, you could plug a camera in and push a "link to my PC" button |
| 03:38.21 | dalias | and i'm not in the minority |
| 03:38.39 | dalias | rather the silent minority who have no interest in these bloated gnome and kde crapinterfaces |
| 03:38.46 | dalias | and go on happily using our emacs, etc. |
| 03:39.01 | dalias | "link to my pc button" is stupid |
| 03:39.09 | dalias | just open the directory window in your file manager |
| 03:39.19 | Wyzard | dalias: To open the directory window, you have to mount it first |
| 03:39.20 | dalias | and hilight and drag the files to wherever you keep your pictures |
| 03:39.35 | Wyzard | dalias: I don't know about you, but I like to have the file manager know the device is available for mounting when I plug it in |
| 03:39.40 | dalias | plenty of file managers auto-mount removable media when you double-click on the icon |
| 03:39.55 | marc7 | i agree that "the link to my pc" button is stupid... but that's the alternative instead of having the device announce it's presence every time it's plugged in |
| 03:39.57 | Wyzard | The icon shouldn't even be there if the hardware isn't there |
| 03:40.08 | Wyzard | Why have a icon for a device that does not exist in the system? |
| 03:40.09 | marc7 | and I agree with Wyzard there. |
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| 03:40.27 | dalias | one or more "usb media" icons should be there |
| 03:40.39 | Wyzard | dalias: How many? One? Three? |
| 03:40.47 | dalias | depends on what the user configures |
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| 03:40.55 | Wyzard | when I have zero USB media devices plugged in |
| 03:40.56 | dalias | i'd just have 1 |
| 03:41.06 | Wyzard | and if I configure one "USB media icon", and then I plug in two devices? |
| 03:41.08 | dalias | because my subnotebook only has one usb port |
| 03:41.25 | Wyzard | You could still plug in more devices with a USB hub |
| 03:41.35 | dalias | if i had a hub i could, yes |
| 03:41.52 | popt | are there any firewall scripts best customized for general debian system |
| 03:41.53 | geo-rge | Wyzard: it should be like macos... you put in media, an icon appears on your desktop |
| 03:42.01 | dalias | bleh |
| 03:42.03 | Wyzard | Rather than having to guess how many devices you'll want to mount and preconfigure mounting icons for them, it makes much more sense for an icon to appear when you actually connect a device, and go away when you disconnect the device |
| 03:42.03 | dalias | mac |
| 03:42.15 | dalias | it does not make sense |
| 03:42.18 | dalias | it wastes resources |
| 03:42.26 | Wyzard | preconfiguring is useful for stuff that doesn't change often, like /usr and such in /etc/fstab |
| 03:42.35 | Wyzard | not so much for things that change regularly, like removable USB drives |
| 03:42.47 | dalias | of course linux is a big mess in this regard |
| 03:42.49 | geo-rge | so does x, so does win... and both of those are sidepoints to the actual os |
| 03:42.52 | marc7 | there really should be an autodiscovery daemon which can be disabled or modified to redirect events to applications based on a set of preferences.... if dalias doesn't want anything to happen when the gear's plugged in, then nothing will happen. but there's no easy solution for changing an entire home network to allow/disallow autodiscovery events to be broadcast to the network (unless it can be enabled/disabled from a home router) |
| 03:43.05 | dalias | on the one hand, we have a very primitive mounting system where adding to the filesystem requires root (and for good reason) |
| 03:43.16 | Guerin | marc7: write one |
| 03:43.19 | dalias | and on the other, we have these bloated userspack hacks trying to work around it |
| 03:43.27 | Guerin | i'm sure it will be riotously popular |
| 03:44.05 | popt | no? |
| 03:44.08 | Wyzard | dalias: DNS wastes resources too, maintaining this big distributed database when you could just type in the IP address of the machine you want... :-P |
| 03:44.12 | dalias | if linux had multiple namespaces with per-process granularity and the bind operation, all implemented in a clean userspace way, like plan9, we'd be so much better off |
| 03:44.16 | dalias | sadly plan9 is not viable :( |
| 03:44.27 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 03:44.27 | dpkg | i guess advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 03:44.28 | dalias | the resource use by dns is tiny |
| 03:44.50 | dalias | lol :) |
| 03:44.54 | Wyzard | dalias: I believe Linux *does* have per-process namespaces (each process can see a different set of mounts), and by "bind" do you mean "mount --bind" ? |
| 03:45.15 | dalias | they're not like what they should be |
| 03:45.23 | dalias | it's a hack on top of the traditional unix mount model |
| 03:45.40 | Wyzard | dalias: hardly... look at all the DNS servers in the world, and the critical root DNS servers that get DDoS'ed once or twice a year, and the need for something like DHCP to configure DNS servers even under IPv6 where IP addresses themselves can be assigned automatically |
| 03:45.45 | Wyzard | dalias: That's a lot of infrastructure |
| 03:45.52 | Guerin | !should |
| 03:45.53 | dpkg | should is probably a word to use in moderation, unless of course it involves something that you either paid someone else to do, or are willing to do yourself. don't should on me and I won't should on you. |
| 03:46.28 | dalias | aside from root servers, you can run your dhcp/dns servers on 1% of the cpu time and network usage of another server |
| 03:46.36 | dalias | it's inconsequential |
| 03:46.45 | dalias | this gnome bloat is not 1% |
| 03:46.48 | Wyzard | dalias: dbus uses less than 1% of my CPU too |
| 03:46.49 | ameyer | you shouldn't rig something up that delivers 120V or 240V (depending on where you are) via ethernet :P |
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| 03:46.51 | dalias | it's 5000% |
| 03:47.09 | ameyer | Anyone who disagrees deserves whatever they get |
| 03:47.14 | Guerin | dalias: you fail fo using hyperbolically inflated percentages. |
| 03:47.23 | Wyzard | or are you saying that the entirety of GNOME is useless bloat and I should just be using an xterm and a bare WM? |
| 03:47.31 | ameyer | Fluxbox is nice... |
| 03:47.33 | dalias | guerin, no, gnome is well over 50x as big as a proper system |
| 03:47.35 | dalias | thus 5000% |
| 03:47.43 | ameyer | but apps are most of the bloatyness these days |
| 03:47.55 | dalias | just try running gedit |
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| 03:48.09 | dalias | and compare it to emacs which is much smaller and has immeasurably more functionality |
| 03:48.36 | dalias | then compare it to nano, which has comparable functionality to gedit |
| 03:48.39 | Guerin | dalias: what you're trying to argue against is the darwinian evolution of software which does things people want |
| 03:48.44 | dalias | gedit is easily 50x bigger than nano |
| 03:48.50 | Guerin | dalias: in other words, you're fighting a futile battle |
| 03:48.53 | dalias | it does not do what people want |
| 03:48.54 | Wyzard | dalias: freshly-launched gedit: 18.4 MiB |
| 03:49.07 | Wyzard | dalias: freshly-launched emacs: 23.8 MiB |
| 03:49.09 | ameyer | the difference between KDE and Gnome and XFCE and fluxbox is small compared to the difference between, say, Firefox and Konqueror... |
| 03:49.19 | Guerin | dalias: if it didn't, people would use something else - in free software, meaningful competition DOES exist |
| 03:49.20 | Gm4n | what's an easy-to install per-vhost traffic monitoring solution? |
| 03:49.21 | dalias | those numbers are bogus |
| 03:49.28 | dalias | emacs uses ~4-8 megs |
| 03:49.30 | dalias | not 24 |
| 03:49.37 | Wyzard | dalias: My emacs is built with GTK, though, so that probably inflates the number |
| 03:49.37 | dalias | what number are you looking at? |
| 03:49.44 | dalias | SIZE is meaningless |
| 03:49.48 | Wyzard | dalias: resident memory column in gnome-system-monitor |
| 03:49.50 | dalias | look at RSS-SHARED |
| 03:49.54 | dalias | that's the actual size |
| 03:50.02 | dalias | (RSS minus SHARED) |
| 03:50.26 | geo-rge | is this the memory footprint? |
| 03:50.28 | Wyzard | dalias: yes, I was going to point out the shared thing -- most of GNOME's libraries are shared among many processes |
| 03:50.46 | dalias | wyzard, only if you run tons of useless gnome applets |
| 03:51.01 | Guerin | dalias: which is the presumed operating environment for gnome |
| 03:51.02 | dalias | but that's not what i was talking about |
| 03:51.06 | dalias | i'm talking about their heap size |
| 03:51.08 | Wyzard | dalias: resident minus shared: 18-12=6 for gedit, 23-10=13 for emacs |
| 03:51.10 | dalias | which is insane |
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| 03:51.26 | Guerin | ok, I hate gnome as much as the next right-thinking person |
| 03:51.29 | Guerin | but you're just trolling |
| 03:51.43 | Guerin | don't rail against the things you hate - build up the things you love |
| 03:51.46 | dalias | emacs on debian for me is 9 megs fresh |
| 03:51.52 | Guerin | contribute by creation, not destruction |
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| 03:52.01 | geo-rge | "ok, I hate gnome as much as the next right-thinking person" and this is not a troll?! |
| 03:52.09 | dalias | 7 megs on my other system |
| 03:52.12 | geo-rge | Hi Guerin :) |
| 03:52.22 | Guerin | geo-rge: this is my point. You KNOW it's a troll when *I* of all people find myself defending gnome. |
| 03:52.26 | Wyzard | dalias: Maybe you don't have many elisp packages installed? |
| 03:52.48 | dalias | anyway compare nano :) |
| 03:52.54 | ameyer | is it me, or does X have a bit of a minor memory leak? |
| 03:52.57 | dalias | thats what's functionally equivalent to gedit |
| 03:52.58 | DocPlatypus | I used to dislike GNOME until I started using it. then I started hating KDE with a passion |
| 03:53.03 | dalias | ameyer, ? |
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| 03:53.18 | dalias | docplatypus, ARRRG i hate when people make the false dichotomy of gnome vs kde |
| 03:53.41 | dalias | they're both the same poison just under 2 different names |
| 03:53.41 | DocPlatypus | well I had used KDE before switching to GNOME |
| 03:53.45 | liable | i dont see why people hate either at all |
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| 03:53.56 | liable | i can use both quite happily |
| 03:53.59 | simonrvn | ameyer: a bit of that, more so not unloading unused pixmaps properly |
| 03:54.02 | DocPlatypus | and yes there are other choices. I had a GNOME-hacked-in WindowMaker I would use on another PC |
| 03:54.04 | liable | i find gtk ugly though |
| 03:54.05 | ameyer | it just seems to start off using reasonably small amounts of RAM, and slowly start using more and more, I'd hate to see it after weeks without a restart |
| 03:54.06 | geo-rge | dalias: what's the true dichotomy? |
| 03:54.22 | DocPlatypus | liable: I find Qt ugly |
| 03:54.24 | dalias | geo-rge, gnome/kde vs running without useless bloatware |
| 03:54.30 | Wyzard | dalias: and btw, not "only if you run tons of useless gnome applets" -- every GNOME app uses GTK, which loads a bunch of other related libraries (font rasterizer, image loader, etc.) |
| 03:54.34 | geo-rge | one uses C and the other uses C++ |
| 03:54.37 | DocPlatypus | I disagree that GNOME is useless bloatware |
| 03:54.46 | dalias | take gedit for instance |
| 03:54.47 | DocPlatypus | KDE tends to be much worse in the bloat department from my experiences |
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| 03:54.54 | dalias | it does nothing better compared to non-gnome editors |
| 03:54.56 | Wyzard | dalias: so there's a footprint of maybe 10MB worth of libraries that are shared among everything in GNOME, not just "useless applets" |
| 03:54.57 | DocPlatypus | see I use gvim |
| 03:55.06 | DocPlatypus | usually, not gedit |
| 03:55.07 | geo-rge | dalias: I use nano on occasion |
| 03:55.16 | rokra | please I have a key wifi installed and I want to rmmod the driver , but it appears always in the list? |
| 03:55.18 | geo-rge | I also use kate and emacs |
| 03:55.18 | ameyer | actually, surprisingly, some distros manage to bloat XFCE more than KDE |
| 03:55.21 | DocPlatypus | there are times when I will use Lynx instead of e.g. Firefox |
| 03:55.30 | dalias | nano uses 500k on debian |
| 03:55.33 | dalias | which is insane... |
| 03:55.35 | liable | rokra: in what list? |
| 03:55.41 | rokra | liable: lsmod |
| 03:55.48 | Guerin | dalias: the 1980s want their computers back |
| 03:55.50 | liable | rokra: is the iface down? |
| 03:55.54 | Wyzard | dalias: sure, and I use emacs for coding, not gedit |
| 03:56.03 | rokra | liable: oO no OK I understand I try thx |
| 03:56.07 | dalias | 380k on my other system |
| 03:56.09 | Wyzard | dalias: because even though my emacs takes a few megabytes more, I have 2GiB in this box, so I don't care |
| 03:56.18 | gpm | ameyer: you mean *x*ubuntu? |
| 03:56.19 | dalias | right.... |
| 03:56.27 | dalias | stupid "buy a new computer every 6mo" kiddies |
| 03:56.34 | geo-rge | I do like emacs... but I'm not liking the implementation of the lisp interpreter, which uses dirty pointers |
| 03:56.37 | dalias | most of the world can not even afford to buy one computer ever |
| 03:56.37 | Wyzard | dalias: and even though the GNOME packages take a few hundred megabytes of disk space, I have 1.5TiB in this box, so I don't care |
| 03:56.39 | DocPlatypus | I've been using this PC since 2001 |
| 03:56.45 | ameyer | gpm: not exactly |
| 03:56.49 | DocPlatypus | originally came with Windows 98. got rid of that in 2002 |
| 03:56.51 | dalias | well you obviously bought new ram for it |
| 03:56.55 | dalias | no one had 2gb in 2001 |
| 03:56.58 | gpm | i guess you're right |
| 03:57.00 | Wyzard | dalias: nope, I bought this box half a year ago after using my previous one for about six years, and I probably won't replace this one for five or six more |
| 03:57.00 | dalias | unless you paid a fortune for it |
| 03:57.05 | DocPlatypus | dalias: 256M |
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| 03:57.09 | DocPlatypus | yes, still 256M |
| 03:57.12 | DocPlatypus | after all these years |
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| 03:57.17 | rokra | liable: mmh sorry yes my interface was down :( |
| 03:57.22 | ameyer | gpm: it's comparing Xubuntu to Kubuntu |
| 03:57.23 | DocPlatypus | still runs GNOME, er, decently |
| 03:57.29 | dalias | one of my friends is trying to setup thin clients |
| 03:57.35 | liable | rokra: and rmmod says what when you use it? |
| 03:57.37 | simonrvn | Mem: 255000k total, 251284k used, 3716k free, 0k buffers |
| 03:57.42 | dalias | which would be a HUGE savings in energy and TCO for the university he's working for |
| 03:57.46 | ameyer | I have a lkaptop with 128 MB of RAM, I can use Iceweasel surprisingly well... |
| 03:57.49 | dalias | but gnome bloat is making it very difficult |
| 03:57.55 | dalias | with properly written software it'd work great |
| 03:57.56 | ameyer | *laptop |
| 03:57.58 | Guerin | dalias: who is forcing anyone to use gnome? |
| 03:58.04 | dalias | but gnome apps are waking up 200 times per second !! |
| 03:58.20 | geo-rge | my original reason for running X (after 2-3 years of not running x) was: more shell windows |
| 03:58.34 | dalias | screen is much better than X for that |
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| 03:58.42 | geo-rge | no it's not |
| 03:58.43 | Guerin | dalias: no, it's not |
| 03:58.45 | DocPlatypus | my original reason for running X was too many applications that didn't do console and svgalib being too much of a pain in the donkey |
| 03:58.49 | dalias | each window takes less memory, and they're easier to manage and you can detach and reattach them anywhere |
| 03:58.53 | geo-rge | (and why do you think I say that?) |
| 03:58.56 | rokra | liable: nothing I type rmmod rt73usb |
| 03:58.57 | Guerin | screen doesn't allow partially overlapping windows |
| 03:59.00 | Wyzard | dalias: There's a lot more than GNOME stuff that wakes up hundreds of times per second, but all those issues are being identified and resolved thanks to powertop :-) |
| 03:59.04 | DocPlatypus | screen is good for backgrounding shit |
| 03:59.10 | Guerin | dalias: screen IN x |
| 03:59.18 | rokra | liable: then lsmod and it is always in the module loaded |
| 03:59.21 | liable | rokra: why dont you just unplug it if its a usb one? |
| 03:59.22 | geo-rge | I could use screen before that, so it doesn't even count |
| 03:59.25 | DocPlatypus | but it's a real pain in the donkey to keep typing ctrl-a a when used to just ctrl-a |
| 03:59.26 | dalias | guerin, yes, screen in X is very good |
| 03:59.38 | dalias | because you can multi-attach for multiple simultaneous views |
| 03:59.44 | ameyer | screen's great, unless you want 2 consoles on screen at the same time |
| 04:00.00 | DocPlatypus | ameyer: agreed |
| 04:00.01 | geo-rge | ameyer: ding ding ding ding ding! |
| 04:00.03 | ameyer | unless I'm too much of a noob to know how to do it with only screen |
| 04:00.04 | DocPlatypus | I have three terminal windows open right now |
| 04:00.06 | geo-rge | give that man a cigar |
| 04:00.14 | DocPlatypus | about to be five |
| 04:00.20 | geo-rge | of the extra powerful exploding variety! |
| 04:00.36 | simonrvn | 4, and 3 of them with screen sessions, 2 of those, remote |
| 04:00.43 | rokra | liable: when I unplug it , the module is always loaeded , and I cant unload it again |
| 04:00.52 | Guerin | dalias: change the screen key to ^` |
| 04:00.54 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:00.57 | simonrvn | rokra: use modprobe -r |
| 04:00.58 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: change the screen key to ^` |
| 04:01.06 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: you'll never look back |
| 04:01.06 | litage|w | on a new Etch installation, /var/log/boot is not being written to. i've discovered that /etc/init.d/bootlogd is being called with the "stop" arg when the machine boots, despite the init-script having these startup links. any ideas why "stop" is being passed?: bootlogd S:S05 0:- 1:- 2:- 3:- 4:- 5:- 6:- |
| 04:01.15 | geo-rge | dalias: essentially my attitude is: I have the ram. I do what I want. |
| 04:01.25 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: well, not option for my SATA in the bios.... oh well... guess I'll live with 10 min boot times :( |
| 04:01.41 | liable | litage|w: you enabled it in default? |
| 04:01.50 | geo-rge | (which decisively ends that part) |
| 04:01.57 | rokra | liable: simonrvn in dmesg rt73usb->rt2x00_vendor_request: Error - vendor request error. Request 0x0a failed for offset 0x0000 with error -19. |
| 04:02.14 | dalias | geo-rge, well that's nice. but not everyone has their mommy buying them a new gamerpc... |
| 04:02.15 | simonrvn | ok so you have a crappy usb device ;p |
| 04:02.20 | maddash | i've got two laptops, one of which is using lenny and the other, XP. Lenny is connected to the cable modem, and since there is no router, XP cannot access the internet while lenny is connected. both machines have wifi, so is it possible for lenny to route the internet over to XP over ad hoc? |
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| 04:02.32 | liable | rokra: that sort of thing you will need to ask the mailing list for that driver |
| 04:02.43 | rokra | liable: buhh ok lol thx |
| 04:02.50 | Guerin | dalias: no implication of that. a few hundred dollars buys that nowadays. |
| 04:02.52 | dalias | in order to achieve world domination, free software desperately needs nice, easily usable software that runs well on minimal hardware |
| 04:03.04 | Bogus8 | maddash: you would need to turn on ICS on the xp box and then I THINK it should work |
| 04:03.04 | Guerin | dalias: SO GO AND FUCKING WRITE SOME |
| 04:03.05 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: easier to just not use screen when I don't need to |
| 04:03.07 | dalias | a few hundred dollars is a 2 years salary in many parts of the world |
| 04:03.12 | maddash | ... |
| 04:03.17 | maddash | am I disconnected? |
| 04:03.18 | litage|w | liable: yup |
| 04:03.19 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: stop pissing and moaning about things you can't fucking change in an unrelated irc channel |
| 04:03.23 | liable | the problem is easily usable == bloat |
| 04:03.25 | simonrvn | maddash: yes |
| 04:03.29 | dalias | liable, not true |
| 04:03.34 | maddash | how wonderfully ironic |
| 04:03.47 | dalias | it's that 90% of the people who care about writing easily usable software have no clue how to code efficient software |
| 04:03.51 | liable | dalias: you cant have idiot-proof interfaces without a lot of code |
| 04:03.52 | Bogus8 | maddash: I replied to you |
| 04:03.55 | simonrvn | maddash: you're just imagining us right now |
| 04:04.03 | dalias | because the geeks who know how to code right mostly hate user-friendly stuff :P |
| 04:04.19 | Guerin | dalias: and people in those parts of the world have bigger problems than a lack of computers; I know because i've set up systems in such places. |
| 04:04.23 | maddash | Bogus8: that would work only if XP were to act as the gateway, right? But I want lenny to be the gateway. |
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| 04:04.31 | simonrvn | yeh, like getting food |
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| 04:04.37 | geo-rge | dalias: why do you presume so much and try to use insults in your arguments? do you want to win THAT badly? |
| 04:04.38 | Wyzard | dalias: You have a strange concept of "easily usable" if you think convenience features like auto-discovery of new hardware and network services are inappropriate and should not be done |
| 04:04.41 | simonrvn | or clean water |
| 04:04.41 | Guerin | not dying of AIDS |
| 04:04.51 | Guerin | or malaria |
| 04:04.54 | Guerin | or dengue fever |
| 04:04.55 | Bogus8 | maddash: ah true, you asked about the other way... I am not sure how that would work but I would assume it could do it and probably do it better |
| 04:04.58 | liable | or beer |
| 04:05.02 | simonrvn | not dying of aids, or not worrying about your kids dying from aids |
| 04:05.06 | Bogus8 | maddash: basically you would be using linux as a router |
| 04:05.06 | Guerin | liable: or BREWING enough beer! |
| 04:05.10 | DocPlatypus | Wyzard: we have some of that today |
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| 04:05.24 | liable | i might start a new non-profit |
| 04:05.25 | simonrvn | SOME PEOPLE LACK PERSPECTIVE ... |
| 04:05.27 | DocPlatypus | I plug in a USB pen drive, and it mounts on /media/disk |
| 04:05.33 | geo-rge | dalias: the fact is people are different and have differing preferences. yours is NOT the one true way |
| 04:05.36 | maddash | ah, so -- how do I make my lenny setup act like a router? heh. |
| 04:05.41 | DocPlatypus | no typing a stupid mount command, no clicking an icon even. just mounts |
| 04:05.41 | liable | getting beer to all the worlds children |
| 04:06.00 | dalias | wyzard, things like auto-discovery of hardware are stupid gimmicks |
| 04:06.09 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: yeah, dalias thinks that's something the system shouldn't be done, because your desktop environment has no business knowing about new hardware -- YOU know you just plugged something in, so it's your responsibility to click a mount button |
| 04:06.11 | Bogus8 | maddash: beyond my scope |
| 04:06.11 | Guerin | liable: their parents will just steal it. You'll have to employ beer minders to ensure it gets to the children. |
| 04:06.27 | DocPlatypus | Wyzard: granted... I do disable that shit when it winds up getting in the way |
| 04:06.34 | dalias | what people need are things like a word processor, spreadsheets, publishing, graphics, etc. |
| 04:06.42 | dalias | these are the real apps |
| 04:06.43 | DocPlatypus | dalias: we have OpenOffice |
| 04:06.53 | dalias | yes, with it's 45-second startup time..... |
| 04:06.55 | simonrvn | what people need is clothing, housing, food, water |
| 04:06.59 | DocPlatypus | if you hate OpenOffice, we have AbiWord and Gnumeric |
| 04:07.00 | Guerin | dalias: SO GO AND FUCKING WRITE ONE BETTER |
| 04:07.01 | Wyzard | dalias: Like I said, you have a strange idea of what "easily usable" means |
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| 04:07.30 | Guerin | stop whining about things you can't change, go and change the things you can |
| 04:07.30 | simonrvn | those things are what people want because they're stupid wage save job asks for it |
| 04:07.31 | Guerin | if you can |
| 04:07.36 | simonrvn | their* |
| 04:07.51 | gpm | !sunday |
| 04:07.51 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:07.57 | Guerin | so true |
| 04:07.59 | liable | simonrvn: also something to do. land to work, animals to tend, or jobs to do. boredome is a killer as well |
| 04:08.02 | dalias | haha |
| 04:08.07 | simonrvn | now go get some perspective and please STFU |
| 04:08.13 | NiLon | !monday |
| 04:08.13 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 04:08.50 | gravity | Not every country that doesn't have internet is so destitute that it doesn't have food or clean water |
| 04:08.51 | simonrvn | liable: yes |
| 04:08.59 | dalias | sorry guys i'm just pissed today that apps keep loading bloated stuff like gconfd-2 on my system for no good reason |
| 04:09.03 | geo-rge | "stop whining about things you can't change, go and change the things you can" and please gain the ability to tell the difference... you're weak on that |
| 04:09.09 | dalias | and dbus (which i found out how to disable) |
| 04:09.13 | gravity | dalias: gconf actually does do something you know |
| 04:09.21 | gravity | As does dbus |
| 04:09.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:09.30 | dalias | gravity, nothing i'm interested in tho |
| 04:09.32 | gravity | Heaven forbid we have software loading that actually does something useful! |
| 04:09.36 | Guerin | aww, so cute... trying to reason with him |
| 04:09.37 | Wyzard | dalias: gconfd-2 takes up a whopping 5MB, 2 of which is shared |
| 04:09.45 | gravity | dalias: You don't want configuration or messaging between components in a sane manner? |
| 04:09.47 | simonrvn | gravity: and thanks for that |
| 04:09.52 | gravity | simonrvn: No problem :-) |
| 04:09.57 | dalias | yes, 3/128 is >2% |
| 04:10.06 | dalias | and lots of little things like that add up quickly |
| 04:10.11 | dalias | and make my box swap to hell |
| 04:10.12 | Guerin | dalias: like I said: the 1990s want their computer back |
| 04:10.19 | dalias | stfu |
| 04:10.19 | gravity | fer serious |
| 04:10.21 | simonrvn | a lot of that is shared mem you know |
| 04:10.33 | dalias | i don't count shared when i measure |
| 04:10.33 | gravity | dbus and gconf are both really light |
| 04:10.34 | dalias | however |
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| 04:10.35 | Guerin | dalias: you have the option of running something other than gnome; exercise it |
| 04:10.42 | dalias | i don't run gnome! |
| 04:10.43 | Wyzard | dalias: 128MB was a small amount when I built my old desktop back in 2000 |
| 04:10.52 | Guerin | dalias: SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU WHINING ABOUT IT? |
| 04:10.53 | dalias | debian has stuff linked to gnome libs when they're completely unneeded |
| 04:10.54 | gravity | meh, dbus is really far down in the stack these days, and it's a good thing |
| 04:10.57 | dalias | like inkscape |
| 04:10.58 | Guerin | !moron dalias |
| 04:10.58 | Wyzard | dalias: Of course you can't run a DE meant for 2007's computers on one from 1998 or so |
| 04:10.59 | dpkg | dalias: You are moron #33 |
| 04:11.02 | geo-rge | Guerin: no you didn't... you said the 1980s want them back! |
| 04:11.10 | gravity | And I wish we could have gconf in the X server, but there's no way it would fly |
| 04:11.18 | Wyzard | dalias: Run something meant for low-end computers, like XFCE |
| 04:11.19 | gravity | gconf is exactly what we need though |
| 04:11.20 | stereo2 | this is why I come to #debian: random abuse from strangers |
| 04:11.20 | Guerin | geo-rge: it's all big hair and bad movies to me |
| 04:11.28 | dalias | gravity, we DO have gconf in the X server, it's called X resources |
| 04:11.33 | geo-rge | nonoNO that was the 70s |
| 04:11.40 | gravity | dalias: The X resources are pretty much crap |
| 04:11.44 | Guerin | geo-rge: the 70s was big hair and GOOD movies |
| 04:11.47 | dalias | and the lame gtk/gnome developers refuse to use the standard X protocols |
| 04:11.50 | stereo2 | !moron Guerin # learn some manners |
| 04:11.50 | dpkg | Guerin # learn some manners: You are moron #90 |
| 04:12.00 | dalias | but instead invent their own stuff that does not support X's network-transparency at all |
| 04:12.17 | gravity | How does gconf fail there? |
| 04:12.22 | Guerin | stereo2: oo, monkey see-monkey do. |
| 04:12.23 | geo-rge | why did it go from 33 to 90? |
| 04:12.34 | dalias | gconf = gnome developers' NIH syndrome |
| 04:12.38 | Guerin | geo-rge: the ways of the moroniser are mysterious. |
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| 04:12.56 | dalias | and debian has lots of apps linked against gnomevfs libs too |
| 04:13.03 | Wyzard | dalias: which happens to fix a lot of the shortcomings of X resources |
| 04:13.05 | dalias | which also loads up a few megs of bloat |
| 04:13.33 | liable | can we stop dribbling on about gnome ? its getting tiresome |
| 04:13.51 | gravity | It's not bloat if it's a significant improvement over the previous |
| 04:13.56 | dalias | like i said i've just been fighting bloat a bunch today and bitter about it |
| 04:14.08 | dalias | it's not an improvement at all to me |
| 04:14.31 | gravity | dalias: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2003-October/007533.html |
| 04:14.31 | dalias | if i want an app to reread it's config i'm happy to either manually tell it to, or to restart the app |
| 04:14.33 | Wyzard | dalias: Your problem isn't that everything in GNOME is useless bloat, it's that you're using an obsolete computer |
| 04:14.39 | dalias | wyzard, no |
| 04:14.44 | dalias | this is my NEW computer |
| 04:14.47 | gravity | dalias: This is why gconf is *better* than xresources, and why the gnome folks went for something new |
| 04:14.50 | Wyzard | with 128MB RAM? |
| 04:14.54 | gravity | dalias: Shockingly, there is a rationale for it. |
| 04:15.00 | Guerin | dalias: it being new don't make it otherwise than obsolete |
| 04:15.01 | dalias | and it's quite a bit nicer than most stuff you'll find. |
| 04:15.08 | dalias | it's actually small, light, and portable |
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| 04:15.26 | Guerin | so you choose to drive a fiat bambina, don't expect to win any drag races |
| 04:15.28 | liable | with an arm processor! |
| 04:15.41 | dalias | i'm not trying to be a fucking dragracer |
| 04:15.48 | dalias | i just want to use my computer |
| 04:15.54 | Jazbo | hi folks, I `xine *` and get "argument list too long". how can I work around this? |
| 04:15.56 | Guerin | dalias: no, you're trying to haul two point four kids and a dog |
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| 04:16.04 | simonrvn | *ahem* matchbox *ahem* |
| 04:16.12 | Guerin | dalias: what prevents you from using it? Your own stupidity. |
| 04:16.17 | Wyzard | dalias: Simple solution: install a ten-year-old distro |
| 04:16.22 | dalias | wyzard, not possible |
| 04:16.34 | dalias | full of vulns for one thing |
| 04:16.42 | dalias | and also the software is full of bugs and limitations |
| 04:16.43 | Wyzard | dalias: That'll lack all the newer convenience features that you seem to think are useless, and its hardware requirements will be on par with the hardware you're running it on |
| 04:16.51 | DocPlatypus | yes anything that old won't be getting security updates |
| 04:16.52 | dalias | for instance limited to legacy codepage-based locales |
| 04:16.58 | gravity | You probably want (cross-?)compile something like gentoo with custom USE flags |
| 04:17.10 | Wyzard | dalias: Of course, because Unicode is useless bloat too, right? |
| 04:17.13 | gravity | Or install DSL |
| 04:17.14 | dalias | not at all |
| 04:17.19 | Wyzard | dalias: I mean, you have to actually parse UTF-8 to find character boundaries |
| 04:17.24 | DocPlatypus | anything of the vintage dalias is talking about, should probably not be running gentoo |
| 04:17.42 | dalias | glibc's implementation is bloated, yes |
| 04:17.43 | Wyzard | dalias: and all the added complexity in fonts just to support that many characters |
| 04:17.44 | DocPlatypus | at least, not depending solely on itself for compiling |
| 04:17.50 | dalias | but a proper implementation is tiny |
| 04:18.00 | DocPlatypus | now, set up with an uberfast box doing all the compiling, it wouldn't be too bad |
| 04:18.02 | dalias | about 10k for everything the libc has |
| 04:18.07 | DocPlatypus | but that's why I no longer run FreeBSD on this thing |
| 04:18.09 | gravity | dalias: Yeah, hence the cross-compiling |
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| 04:18.13 | gravity | DocPlatypus: ^ |
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| 04:18.17 | DocPlatypus | ok |
| 04:18.30 | DocPlatypus | if they are both i386 you don't even need to actually cross compile |
| 04:18.32 | BUMBACL0T | how come i can't access my ftp remotely, the ip is dmz'd, im using vsftp. |
| 04:18.35 | gravity | But yeah, Debian can be made to slim down the way he wants, but then you're just running DSL anyhow |
| 04:18.35 | BUMBACL0T | but it works locally (lan) |
| 04:18.37 | dalias | wyzard, added complexity to fonts? hardly. |
| 04:18.39 | DocPlatypus | of course these days one is likely to be amd64/x86_64 |
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| 04:18.56 | ssdd | hi, i have a dhcp server set up and started but for some reason its not getting any requests or giving any leases out how can i trouble shoot it better? |
| 04:19.31 | Wyzard | dalias: Have you looked at the stuff OpenType can do? |
| 04:19.34 | dalias | i actually have a few very practical ideas for some of these issues |
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| 04:19.46 | dalias | wyzard, yes, it's the stuff i'm working on these days.... |
| 04:19.49 | Wyzard | dalias: Multiple glyphs for the same character, rule-based logic for when to use which glyph based on surrounding characters, etc. |
| 04:20.13 | Guerin | dalias: very few practical ideas? I noticed that. |
| 04:20.16 | Wyzard | dalias: More rule-based logic so that when you type something like "1st" it uses special raised glyphs for the "st" |
| 04:20.22 | dalias | it's bloated due to bad implementations written by people who don't understand the requirements, not due to the requirements themselves |
| 04:20.26 | dalias | guerin, you misread |
| 04:20.50 | Guerin | dalias: you misspeak. All you've done today is piss and moan, not a single actual practical idea. |
| 04:20.59 | dalias | i haven't said them on irc |
| 04:21.01 | dalias | so i will now |
| 04:21.05 | DocPlatypus | ugh. you mean they put bullshit like that in the font now? IMO, it doesn't really belong there |
| 04:21.06 | Guerin | not in #debian |
| 04:21.13 | Guerin | go and tell #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:21.22 | dalias | no, this is an idea for debian |
| 04:21.23 | gravity | poor gnomies |
| 04:21.43 | dalias | the main one is packages that "provides" things like gnomevfs, gconfd, etc. |
| 04:21.53 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: Well, there's some pretty cool stuff that can be done with it there, though most apps don't support actually using all those features |
| 04:22.00 | Guerin | dalias: don't tell #debian; fila a bug. |
| 04:22.00 | dalias | but instead just provides an abi-compatible .so that does nothing |
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| 04:22.27 | gravity | dalias: That won't work at all |
| 04:22.34 | ameyer | jeez. I go get some ice and some soda (rather slowly), and dalias is still moaning about bloat when I get back? |
| 04:22.44 | gravity | On so many levels, that won't work |
| 04:22.53 | Guerin | telling #debian is like turning up to the pub to prosecute a lawsuit. It makes great hilarity for those in the pub, but gets you nowhere with the judge. |
| 04:22.54 | gravity | You must never have written a program before |
| 04:22.57 | dalias | by 'does nothing' (for gnomevfs) i mean it passes all the io calls directly thru to the real fs |
| 04:23.03 | ameyer | I have a lappy with 128 MB of RAM, and I just deal with it... |
| 04:23.13 | Wyzard | dalias: That's what the filesystem module in gnomevfs *does* |
| 04:23.18 | gravity | Seriously |
| 04:23.26 | ameyer | Try to use smaller, less capable apps when possible |
| 04:23.28 | dalias | wyzard, but with several megs of bloat wrapped around it.. |
| 04:23.33 | grendal_prime | ok this is driving me crazy...you know the storage media deal in kde..you put in a disk and say its a dvd..it pops up and asks you what you want to run when that type of media is inserted...i cannot for the life of me figure out what format to put the in the launch line. |
| 04:23.43 | Wyzard | dalias: gnomevfs exists as a layer of indirection so that can be other modules which do other things, like FTP, but if you use libgnomevfs with just the filesystem module, you have exactly what you're describing |
| 04:23.46 | DocPlatypus | OpenOffice performs surprisingly well on this box |
| 04:23.48 | dalias | ameyer, not many alternatives to firefox, inkscape, and gimp... |
| 04:23.57 | ameyer | I mean, you don't need a text editor that can read email... |
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| 04:24.06 | dalias | wyzard, except that the libgnomevfs stuff is adding several megs of bloat in between |
| 04:24.10 | DocPlatypus | I mean, it's amazing, if I had been trying to run Windows on it still I would have given up in frustration, I just know it |
| 04:24.11 | simonrvn | you can't have something fake something and expect it to not do anything. you're just going to make it do that anyway |
| 04:24.21 | grendal_prime | i though wxvlc ://dvd would work..that works from a command line..but i get an error about media/cdrom0 is a folder and a file was expected.. |
| 04:24.41 | Wyzard | dalias: which, divided out among the bunch of processes it's shared between, is actually a pretty small impact |
| 04:24.56 | grendal_prime | i have to set up a machine for my mother..do read dvds..i need it to run simple.. |
| 04:24.56 | DocPlatypus | and there are far, far more evil and useless things than gnomevfs |
| 04:24.57 | gravity | You keep using this word "bloat". I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 04:25.01 | dalias | and fyi gravity i've written many such 'do-nothing' replacements for bloatware libs before |
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| 04:25.12 | DocPlatypus | I like, for example, the ability to just burn a CD (or DVD) from within nautilus |
| 04:25.13 | DocPlatypus | very nice |
| 04:25.16 | dalias | wyzard, if it's 2 megs, that's about 1.8% of my system memory |
| 04:25.26 | gravity | dalias: It'd fail on so many levels. |
| 04:25.39 | Wyzard | dalias: That's because you're using an obsolete computer, and has nothing to do with the software itself |
| 04:25.44 | Wyzard | dalias: 2MB is small by modern standards |
| 04:25.44 | grendal_prime | i dont know DocPlatypus k3b is pretty damn much a no brainer.. |
| 04:25.44 | dalias | not obsolete |
| 04:25.51 | Wyzard | Yes, obsolete |
| 04:25.53 | dalias | no |
| 04:25.55 | DocPlatypus | k3b is decent |
| 04:25.59 | Wyzard | 128MB in a desktop was current in 1998 or so |
| 04:26.08 | ameyer | I find w3m to meet most of my webbrowsing needs, I don't know what inkscape does, and I rarely use GIMP |
| 04:26.09 | noob1900 | hello, i have seen "apt-get autoremove" in ubuntu, is this possible in debian? |
| 04:26.11 | dalias | obsolete by your spoiled kid standards |
| 04:26.18 | Guerin | dalias: ultimately we get back to darwinian evolution: if your app does what you claim, it will surely take off and be glorious, and will dominate the software universe. Go forth and create. |
| 04:26.23 | gravity | 2 MB? Are you kidding? |
| 04:26.24 | DocPlatypus | and I still may use it once in a while |
| 04:26.27 | gravity | My phone has more memory. |
| 04:26.30 | ameyer | 2000 called, they want their crappy computer back |
| 04:26.45 | dalias | 2mb * 10 unnecessary bloatware libs = 20mb |
| 04:26.55 | ameyer | seriously, 128 MB of RAM wasn't great for 2000 |
| 04:26.56 | Guerin | margin of error |
| 04:26.58 | Wyzard | dalias: 20MB is also fairly small |
| 04:27.21 | dalias | and don't blame it on my computer, because the same thing happens if you want to run thin clients |
| 04:27.26 | DocPlatypus | part of the problem with programmers these days... back in the 1980s you got 16K, 32K, 64K of RAM. that was *IT*. you learned to use what you had if it meant writing in assembler optimized by hand for size |
| 04:27.41 | Guerin | if you run thin clients you take advantage of massive economies of scale in shared libs |
| 04:27.46 | DocPlatypus | these days, app won't run on a 128M box? programmer expects user to buy more RAM |
| 04:27.47 | gravity | DocPlatypus: Apps in the 80's couldn't do shit though. |
| 04:27.48 | Guerin | so what you're saying is just bunkum |
| 04:27.48 | dalias | (this 2mb bloat is not just shared code, it's also heap) |
| 04:27.58 | ameyer | Actually, Iceweasel works surprisingly well on 128 MB of RAM if you take other countermeasures, like using a lightweight WM/DE... |
| 04:28.00 | dalias | maybe 50% of it is heap |
| 04:28.23 | dalias | yes, iceweasel works great on 128mb if it's the only app running |
| 04:28.34 | DocPlatypus | gravity: I beg to differ. we didn't have fancy GUIs and all that shit but basic functionality was there |
| 04:28.36 | gravity | The modern web eats memory like crazy |
| 04:28.39 | dalias | as soon as you have 1 or 2 other apps running its a big problem |
| 04:28.43 | gravity | Or do you think all that flash and fancy css comes for free? |
| 04:28.44 | DocPlatypus | I know Unix boxes had vi then at least |
| 04:28.56 | Guerin | yeah, most of the bloat is not from firefox, it's from ajax, flash and java |
| 04:28.57 | noob1900 | sorry to bother with this question, but i find the autoremove option in apt very useful, is this tool available in debian as it is in ubuntu? |
| 04:29.12 | dalias | openoffice does essentially nothing more than wordperfect did in the 80s |
| 04:29.16 | BlackMagik | i was wondering is there a way to violate whatever was the issue between debian and mozilla and just get "firefox" instead? |
| 04:29.21 | dalias | and it's 1000x bigger |
| 04:29.29 | gravity | DocPlatypus: You couldn't do youtube in the 80's. You couldn't do 1/10th of the stuff that iceweasel does. Displaying a pdf took forever. Real-time spellcheck wasn't really workable. It goes on and on. |
| 04:29.42 | liable | noob1900: yes |
| 04:29.47 | grendal_prime | I really think alot of time spent on cleaning code..for memory sake....i mean ya if it has to fit make it fit..but today..dude i got a shoebox full of 64 and 128 meg drams...come on...i bought a gig of ram for my laptop for 100 bucks..and it was an impulse buy. |
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| 04:29.55 | noob1900 | liable, how do i get it? |
| 04:29.57 | Guerin | dalias: except exports to a huge variety of formats, including pdf transparently, allows you to attach annotations and use crude revision control, interact with a dozen other formats, and ... |
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| 04:30.05 | DocPlatypus | dalias: I wouldn't say nothing more... word processing wasn't quite as complex then, if you wanted to do what OpenOffice Writer does now back in 1985 you used troff |
| 04:30.15 | ameyer | I can have a terminal with irssi and screen open, icedove open, and use iceweasel somewhat decently |
| 04:30.22 | dalias | guerin, all of the import/export stuff is only needed at file save/load time. and it's a tiny percentage of the program size anyway |
| 04:30.24 | liable | noob1900: in sids apt anyway, it doesnt appear to be available in etch's version |
| 04:30.26 | Guerin | dalias: ... so much other stuff that the only real conclusion I can draw is that you haven't used either in any particularly advanced way. |
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| 04:30.35 | Guerin | dalias: but it DOES it. |
| 04:30.45 | Wyzard | Why are we debating with someone who thinks 128MB should be plenty of RAM for a desktop computer in 2007? |
| 04:30.47 | noob1900 | liable, oh, thank you very much for answering =) |
| 04:30.47 | gravity | DocPlatypus: Not to mention unicode, hardware-based 3d acceleration, real-time porter-duff compositing, and all the other goodies in high numbers of colors and resolutions that make up a modern desktop experience |
| 04:30.47 | ameyer | it's somewhat slow, but I expect that |
| 04:30.48 | DocPlatypus | gravity: most of those were CPU speed limitations. YouTube is partly possible just because of bandwidth |
| 04:31.03 | gravity | DocPlatypus: High res and color eats memory |
| 04:31.05 | liable | noob1900: yw |
| 04:31.12 | grendal_prime | now back to a real problem..my mother is haveing a bitch of a time just playing dvds...because i can get vlc to autolaunch..my mother is a saint and if we dont work this out she will groud us all.. |
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| 04:31.18 | gravity | Granted, that's not youtube, but the other bits are. |
| 04:31.23 | ameyer | didn't someone get video working on an 8086 a couple years ago? |
| 04:31.25 | dalias | wyzard, 32 megs of ram should be plenty in 2007 |
| 04:31.30 | dalias | but i'm willing to compromise |
| 04:31.32 | grendal_prime | i cant get it to launch by the way..typo |
| 04:31.34 | Guerin | dalias: 640k should be enough for anyone! |
| 04:31.44 | dalias | no, you can't run anything in 640k |
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| 04:31.51 | Guerin | dalias: of course you can! |
| 04:31.51 | grendal_prime | dos |
| 04:31.53 | Wyzard | dalias: Tell that to the entire world full of software developers |
| 04:31.53 | gravity | I can't wait to see you guys write and maintain a modern OS that fits inside 32 megs |
| 04:31.54 | ameyer | it was ascii art if I recall correctly, but it's still impressive |
| 04:31.55 | dalias | not even a minimal C library can even fit in 640k |
| 04:31.57 | Arafangion | 640K is frigging huge if you do asm. |
| 04:32.02 | dalias | yes |
| 04:32.04 | Wyzard | dalias: Feel free to write your own tiny OS, though |
| 04:32.05 | Guerin | !pal dalias |
| 04:32.07 | grendal_prime | dos runs in 640k |
| 04:32.08 | dalias | 640k only works if you do asm |
| 04:32.12 | dalias | not if you write portable code |
| 04:32.17 | MolePrince | Howdy.. I have an old Omnibook 300 running Windows 3.x and a Debian laptop [this machine]. As best I can tell the only way I can actually talk to eachother on them is over a serial cable. Any ideas how one might do that, particualry with regards to transferring files pelase? |
| 04:32.22 | dalias | errm sorry |
| 04:32.23 | DocPlatypus | gravity: arcade games had hardware accelerated 3d by 1990, it could have become feasible to do in PCs much sooner I would think |
| 04:32.24 | dalias | i meant |
| 04:32.26 | dalias | not even a minimal C library can even fit in 64k |
| 04:32.29 | dalias | not 640k |
| 04:32.30 | Arafangion | dalias: There's always pcode... ;) |
| 04:32.42 | gravity | DocPlatypus: Hardware accelerated 3d has come a long way |
| 04:32.44 | dalias | 640k can do some stuff |
| 04:32.46 | dalias | not much tho |
| 04:32.54 | Guerin | dalias: you miss the point. I'm trying to illustrate to you that you're making arbitrary assumptions on the basis of no fucking clue, much like a certain multi-billionaire did back in the day. |
| 04:32.54 | liable | dalias: your enjoying this troll session arent you! ;) |
| 04:32.58 | dalias | i actually have a design for a full-featured unicode terminal emulator in 640k |
| 04:33.00 | gravity | DocPlatypus: But you need tons of memory to store textures. Unless you want everything to be flat shaded. |
| 04:33.05 | dalias | able to run on 8086 |
| 04:33.11 | grendal_prime | people...auto launching an app in kde...someone has to know this.. |
| 04:33.13 | DocPlatypus | I think most of the games that used 3D then were flat shaded |
| 04:33.14 | Guerin | dalias: i can only hope it works out as well for you as it did him, although I must say the market has changed in the interim. |
| 04:33.25 | DocPlatypus | I know Descent, first real 3D game I played on a PC, was flat shaded |
| 04:33.29 | ameyer | Didn't unix run on some machines that were shitty by today's standards back in the day? |
| 04:33.36 | gravity | DocPlatypus: That would be why we need tons of memory to do modern acceleration and comopositing |
| 04:33.41 | dalias | guerin, as for "no fucking clue", what basis do you have for saying that? |
| 04:33.47 | gravity | Textures chew memory. That goes for compositing too. |
| 04:33.48 | ameyer | not to mention the size of an airplane hangar |
| 04:33.49 | dalias | you have no idea what i do or don't have a clue about |
| 04:34.01 | Guerin | dalias: your past half-hour's statements in #debian, which I consider ample evidence. |
| 04:34.10 | dalias | maybe you should rtfs then |
| 04:34.12 | geo-rge | what are two simple gnu tools that have gfdl docs |
| 04:34.18 | dalias | instead of going based on your prejudices |
| 04:34.23 | ameyer | we either need ops in here to do something or a mass /ignore... |
| 04:34.29 | Wyzard | dalias: Well, you seem to have no clue about the current state of the art in PC hardware |
| 04:34.39 | Guerin | ameyer: there are ops participating in this conversaton :) |
| 04:34.40 | dalias | the current "state of the art" is irrelevant |
| 04:34.59 | Wyzard | dalias: i.e. what's actually being sold in stores in the developed world |
| 04:35.03 | geo-rge | dalias: why do you say that? |
| 04:35.04 | Wyzard | dalias: see newegg.com, for example |
| 04:35.10 | \amethyst | geo-rge: sed has a GFDL info page, with no cover texts or invariant sections |
| 04:35.17 | dalias | aside from massive scientific work, multimedia processing, games, etc., no one should need a computer faster than ~150mhz/32mb ram for productivity work |
| 04:35.29 | Guerin | dalias: and nobody should need more than 640k. |
| 04:35.32 | MolePrince | If anyone has any ideas.. please /query me.. not gonna be able to read anything in between all the troll-spam.. :p |
| 04:35.32 | ameyer | I dare dalias to find a new 128 MB or smaller memory module for sale... |
| 04:35.32 | Wyzard | dalias: I'd have a hard time even *finding* a new computer with only 128MB RAM |
| 04:35.38 | Guerin | dalias: or a car which goes faster than 50km/h |
| 04:35.49 | Guerin | dalias: or a house with more than two bedrooms |
| 04:35.50 | dalias | ameyer, buying new is irresponsible |
| 04:35.57 | dalias | environmentally and economically |
| 04:35.58 | Guerin | dalias: why do you hate progress? |
| 04:36.04 | dalias | i hate waste |
| 04:36.09 | dalias | waste is not progress |
| 04:36.10 | liable | MolePrince: look for a mincom tutorial |
| 04:36.12 | dalias | it's retrogression |
| 04:36.16 | grendal_prime | dude ill give him one |
| 04:36.19 | liable | MolePrince: minicom i meant |
| 04:36.20 | grendal_prime | no shit.. |
| 04:36.28 | geo-rge | dalias: ahh. so you're thinking like Gates: "no one should need more than 640k" |
| 04:36.29 | Guerin | dalias: but making software for ancient computers is not mitigating waste. |
| 04:36.30 | Wyzard | dalias: so you buy something obsolete and then criticize the rest of the world for not catering to it |
| 04:36.32 | dalias | geo-rge, no |
| 04:36.32 | grendal_prime | 100%hands down..hell ill even pay for shipping |
| 04:36.47 | geo-rge | do me a favor, stay away from my machines :) |
| 04:37.05 | dalias | 640k is not nearly enough for most real-world tasks. and like i said, certain tasks like scientific computing, graphics work, etc. will require more than the minimal specs i gave |
| 04:37.07 | slapfaceware | win xp is alot better than 98, it uses more resource |
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| 04:37.16 | dalias | but word processing absolutely should not need more than that, ever |
| 04:37.22 | dalias | nor should web browsing |
| 04:37.24 | dalias | or writing email |
| 04:37.25 | Guerin | dalias: s/640k/128MB/ and you see our point. |
| 04:37.25 | dalias | etc. |
| 04:37.31 | dalias | no |
| 04:37.35 | grendal_prime | lets not drag windows into something like this.. |
| 04:37.37 | Guerin | the fact is it *does* |
| 04:37.41 | slapfaceware | office 2007 is pretty good |
| 04:37.41 | Guerin | should is irrelevant |
| 04:37.42 | dalias | these tasks do not get significantly more complex over time |
| 04:37.44 | geo-rge | do the info files for gcc and bash have invariant sections (and covered by gfdl)? |
| 04:37.48 | dalias | programmers just get lazier and stupider |
| 04:37.51 | gravity | MolePrince: http://docwiki.gumstix.org/Connecting_via_Serial_-_Linux looks promising |
| 04:38.08 | dalias | if a word processor fit in 4mb in 1992, there's no reason it can't fit in 8mb in 2007 |
| 04:38.08 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: btw, http://www.linotype.com/61955/zapfinoextraregular-font.html is one of those fonts that takes advantage of all the extended OpenType stuff, but I'm having trouble finding the links (which used to be in a sidebar on the right) that demonstrate it |
| 04:38.28 | Guerin | dalias: except that all the world's top programmers can't seem to make it happen... |
| 04:38.33 | gravity | dalias: People like features. Especially features that make their lives easier. Those features requires more computing resources. |
| 04:38.36 | slapfaceware | a word processor nowday can do alot more than it in 1992 too |
| 04:38.42 | dalias | they have no interest in making it happen |
| 04:38.48 | Wyzard | dalias: Why do you feel you're an authority on how much RAM a task "should" take? |
| 04:38.51 | gravity | dalias: I can say that I really do like gconf's not requiring me to restart my apps to have preferences take effect. |
| 04:38.55 | grendal_prime | ya but dalias its all about the interface and you have to admit in the end the user (well most now days) scream "i want it all i want it now and i want it when i press the big red button" |
| 04:38.56 | litage|w | on a new Etch installation, /var/log/boot is not being written to. i've discovered that /etc/init.d/bootlogd is being called with the "stop" arg when the machine boots, despite the init-script having these startup links. any ideas why "stop" is being passed?: http://rafb.net/p/ph8Al846.html |
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| 04:39.13 | geo-rge | dalias: that smells like a conspiracy theory to me :P |
| 04:39.18 | grendal_prime | so most...not you but most programers..especially interface people need some wiggle room ... |
| 04:39.28 | dalias | grendal_prime, most people who've used both prefer old bluescreen wordperfect to 'modern interfaces' |
| 04:39.37 | grendal_prime | no dude |
| 04:39.39 | grendal_prime | im sorry |
| 04:39.49 | dalias | i never used wordperfect back then |
| 04:39.50 | gravity | dalias: If that were true, bluescreen wordperfect would still be selling like crazy. |
| 04:39.59 | gravity | dalias: You just hear from the people who remember it fondly. |
| 04:40.14 | grendal_prime | i wish that was true..the rule with this and all things now days is the less the person has to think the more people will buy it. |
| 04:40.16 | dalias | ms interfaces are especially unfriendly |
| 04:40.24 | gravity | I loved clarisworks back in the day, and I miss aspects of it, but the modern office suite just does so much more |
| 04:40.30 | geo-rge | dalias: btw, if you're into conspiracy theories and especially if you're a us citizen, go here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 |
| 04:40.47 | dalias | stating the obvious is not a conspiracy theory |
| 04:40.57 | geo-rge | if any of what you see is true, you're in very big trouble... |
| 04:41.34 | slapfaceware | ms interfaces are getting better, look at office2007 |
| 04:41.43 | slapfaceware | that's a great progress |
| 04:42.00 | dalias | what, the mac-ish interface chrome? |
| 04:42.00 | grendal_prime | ya but dude have ya seen the latest office...by default there are no menus |
| 04:42.04 | grendal_prime | it blows.. |
| 04:42.05 | dalias | or something else? |
| 04:42.13 | dalias | ah yeah |
| 04:42.16 | dalias | getting rid of menus |
| 04:42.21 | dalias | that actually was a good design idea |
| 04:42.31 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:42.42 | grendal_prime | the one thing ms had on the publishing thing (imho) was consistancy..now the went and fkd that up. |
| 04:42.50 | slapfaceware | no means = bad? do you prefer to access frequently used option in menu ? |
| 04:43.04 | dalias | biggest problem with ms gui software, for TRUE NEWBIES, is being bombarded with a million different things you can do, and no idea where the thing you need is |
| 04:43.23 | Guerin | dalias: in this regard you agree with the gnometards |
| 04:43.31 | Guerin | how ironical |
| 04:43.35 | dalias | haha |
| 04:43.42 | dalias | not really |
| 04:43.49 | Guerin | nono, quite explicitly |
| 04:43.49 | DocPlatypus | biggest problem with Microsoft software, plug it in to the 'net after a new install, get owned in 60 seconds |
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| 04:43.55 | dalias | compare with emacs |
| 04:44.00 | dalias | emacs does not bombard you with features |
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| 04:44.06 | geo-rge | dalias: ahh, Virginia. You probably need to look at that link |
| 04:44.09 | dalias | but it has an insane amount of functionality if you care to learn it |
| 04:44.14 | Guerin | so ... emacs is your model for usability? |
| 04:44.17 | Wyzard | dalias: no, it hides them all, and you STILL have no idea where the thing you need is |
| 04:44.26 | keith4 | worse... possibly west virginia |
| 04:44.26 | grendal_prime | i fkn hate emacs |
| 04:44.29 | Guerin | this is performance art, people |
| 04:44.30 | dalias | gnome just removes all configurability |
| 04:44.39 | grendal_prime | id use nano before using emacs |
| 04:44.42 | dalias | rather than hiding it |
| 04:44.45 | DocPlatypus | I fuckin' hate abbreviations of six letter words |
| 04:44.49 | DocPlatypus | :-) |
| 04:44.58 | BlackMagik | lol |
| 04:44.59 | grendal_prime | hehehe me to but its less typing |
| 04:44.59 | geo-rge | what's that you say? you can't find the obviously stickoutlikeasorethumb config panels? |
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| 04:45.04 | DocPlatypus | Emacs is not that bad though, I use it rarely now but there are reasons for that |
| 04:45.07 | grendal_prime | and im lazy as hell |
| 04:45.19 | dalias | i love emacs |
| 04:45.24 | BlackMagik | i hate emacs |
| 04:45.25 | grendal_prime | good for you |
| 04:45.32 | Guerin | i love emacs |
| 04:45.36 | dalias | while it started out large 20-odd years ago, it's stayed fairly stable in size |
| 04:45.38 | DocPlatypus | see when I grew up, too lazy to type meant too lazy to use the computer |
| 04:45.38 | grendal_prime | i work with people that love vi..other than that there great people |
| 04:45.43 | geo-rge | I ____ emacs |
| 04:45.43 | dalias | compared to other programs growing exponentially |
| 04:45.44 | Guerin | but I wouldn't wish learning it on any newbie |
| 04:45.44 | DocPlatypus | there were no mice, just keyboards |
| 04:45.55 | dalias | docplatypus, :) |
| 04:45.58 | Guerin | geo-rge: i beer emacs too! |
| 04:46.16 | dalias | i used to be rather disgusted with the whole lisp approach |
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| 04:46.39 | dalias | but once i learned to write elisp code, and found i could 'fix' things i didn't like about emacs with just 1 or 2 lines of code, i was very very happy about it :) |
| 04:46.49 | gravity | Except to say: devilspie ownz you |
| 04:47.06 | ivx | hey if i do chmod on a folder will that change all the contence too? |
| 04:47.13 | geo-rge | dalias: there's also edwin which is like emacs but has scheme instead of lisp |
| 04:47.15 | dalias | every other program that ever had behavior i didn't like was a LOT MORE work to 'fix' than emacs |
| 04:47.17 | grendal_prime | i did see emacs used for something one time and i was amazed and thought ..wow this totally makes sence..it was a desktop for the visually imparied..i thought it was stupid untell i closed my eys then it all made sence..and i didnt have to look at emacs all at the same time. |
| 04:47.23 | Wyzard | ivx: No, use "chmod -R" for that |
| 04:47.33 | dalias | geo-rge, well i'm pretty limited in choices because i need working utf-8 support |
| 04:47.44 | dalias | which means the choices (on terminal) are emacs, vim, and nano |
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| 04:47.51 | slapfaceware | vi |
| 04:47.51 | ivx | wyzard, okay thanks |
| 04:47.58 | defowl | debian? |
| 04:47.59 | grendal_prime | fuck vi |
| 04:47.59 | dalias | and maybe joe |
| 04:48.02 | defowl | mandrake |
| 04:48.09 | slapfaceware | fuck grendal_prime |
| 04:48.14 | BlackMagik | vim not vi |
| 04:48.16 | dalias | i liked joe when i was a newbie some 10 years ago, but not so much anymore |
| 04:48.21 | grendal_prime | please the wife is sleeping |
| 04:48.22 | defowl | vi n00b |
| 04:48.23 | DocPlatypus | plain vi is pretty annoying. vim much much less so |
| 04:48.24 | keith4 | wow... a vi vs emacs fight... how original |
| 04:48.30 | dalias | hehehe |
| 04:48.32 | geo-rge | stop editorializing! |
| 04:48.35 | jelly-home | joe rulz |
| 04:48.35 | dalias | naw there's no vi vs emacs going on |
| 04:48.40 | defowl | :w |
| 04:48.47 | slapfaceware | lets do the irssi vs xchat |
| 04:48.51 | jelly-home | ^X^C |
| 04:48.57 | BlackMagik | xchat wins hands down |
| 04:48.58 | defowl | :q |
| 04:48.59 | dalias | jelly-home, :) |
| 04:49.02 | DocPlatypus | I use vim most of the time now, but in a vi vs. emacs paintball game... put me in on the emacs side |
| 04:49.03 | dalias | irssi |
| 04:49.13 | defowl | slickedit? |
| 04:49.21 | gravity | jedit is kinda neat |
| 04:49.23 | Wyzard | DocPlatypus: better hope you can find the Ctrl and Meta keys on your paintball gun |
| 04:49.29 | dalias | docplatypus, that's because only emacs has M-x paintball |
| 04:49.32 | geo-rge | DocPlatypus: why? does your paint gun have a meta key?? |
| 04:49.46 | dalias | in vim you'd be screwed if you found yourself in a paintball match :P |
| 04:49.48 | grendal_prime | vi is one of those things..where people had to use it to earn there right of passage and now they contiue to use it because they put in the work and refuse to admit its outdated...and they cant seem to format that portion of there brain...hey wait..this sounds alot like dalias |
| 04:49.49 | DocPlatypus | yes, it's the one that sprays 10 rounds per second when held down :-) |
| 04:50.05 | DocPlatypus | vi is not outdated |
| 04:50.05 | geo-rge | spensive |
| 04:50.19 | dalias | i hate all these bloatware 'revolutionaries' |
| 04:50.24 | geo-rge | except it is older than emacs |
| 04:50.24 | gravity | grendal_prime: vi has a pretty incredible working model once you understand and get used to it |
| 04:50.26 | BlackMagik | yea vi is outdated, vim is what we use now |
| 04:50.28 | gravity | vim is better of course |
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| 04:50.37 | DocPlatypus | let me rephrase |
| 04:50.39 | dalias | so convinced that everyone who knows the old established software is 'backwards' |
| 04:50.45 | DocPlatypus | the concept of vi-like editors is not outdated |
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| 04:50.55 | BlackMagik | command and edit modes, A+ |
| 04:51.00 | DocPlatypus | in much the same way Unix is not outdated |
| 04:51.04 | dalias | can't grasp that these tools are actually far-more-functional and faster to use once you've learned them |
| 04:51.12 | DocPlatypus | people say "why would you trust a nearly 40 year old operating system" |
| 04:51.13 | dalias | there's a classic paper about 'ease of use' |
| 04:51.20 | dalias | and how it's different from 'ease of learning' |
| 04:51.34 | geo-rge | Linux Is Not UniX |
| 04:51.37 | dalias | ease-of-learning is the dominant factor if you'll just use the program occasionally |
| 04:51.40 | tobehz | there's also a paper on emacs being shit |
| 04:51.53 | tobehz | published by a highly respected expert on the subject, let me tell you! |
| 04:51.56 | dalias | but ease-of-use (which is very different) is the dominant factor if you'll use it all the time |
| 04:52.07 | DocPlatypus | I tell them "they tell me the XP in Windows XP stands for 'experience' ... yet it hasn't been around for 40 years" |
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| 04:52.16 | geo-rge | tobehz: ugh, throw that paper down the toilet... it's got shit on it! |
| 04:52.17 | BlackMagik | lol |
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| 04:52.19 | grendal_prime | i had to use it for a month via a windows maching that was using procom as a terminal..my god what a mess that was. procom had screen refresh problems and vi so little onscreen info as to what was going on..when something didnt work you didnt know if it was vi or procom just not displaying something...i literally had nightmares about whiping out a shitload of data on the states servers. |
| 04:52.29 | amphi | dalias: yes, yes, I'm sure you're right |
| 04:52.45 | DocPlatypus | grendal_prime: this was with a faithful vi clone? |
| 04:52.46 | dalias | grendal_prime, sounds like procom was half of your problem... |
| 04:52.55 | DocPlatypus | or with a vi variant like vim or elvis or something? |
| 04:52.58 | grendal_prime | dalias: definatly |
| 04:53.03 | DocPlatypus | but yes Procomm was a piece of shit too |
| 04:53.05 | dalias | i used it at one time... |
| 04:53.09 | DocPlatypus | Telix or Telemate much better |
| 04:53.10 | tobehz | the other half of the problem was obviously not using emacs |
| 04:53.12 | dalias | one of the worst terminal emulators |
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| 04:53.21 | dalias | tobehz, :P |
| 04:53.23 | grendal_prime | but because of that..every time i hear the phrase vi...i think of that..and that was my introduction to vi.. |
| 04:53.26 | DocPlatypus | or hell, even Goddamned BananaCom |
| 04:53.47 | dalias | personally i dislike vi and modal editing, but i can respect people who like it |
| 04:53.48 | DocPlatypus | I somehow got away with not knowing vi for my first two years of GNU/Linux use |
| 04:53.48 | BlackMagik | grendal_prime: we need to brainwash you into having good thoughts about vi and vim |
| 04:53.49 | Zylstra555 | Hello, I have tried more than once, but each time I do a Net install of Debian, something goes wrong. Its not loading its desktop when it loads, and the STARTX command loads this ancient looking desktop, called TW(some other letter here) what do I do to fix it? |
| 04:53.57 | DocPlatypus | then, finally, learned vi over the next few weeks |
| 04:54.00 | geo-rge | I like Steve Vi... |
| 04:54.04 | dalias | what i don't respect is "i like gedit because the toolbar theme matches my other gnome apps!!!!!" |
| 04:54.09 | DocPlatypus | then one day, roommate at the time and I set up an OpenBSD box |
| 04:54.13 | tobehz | nano is the best text editor |
| 04:54.13 | grendal_prime | no BlackMagik i just use nano...it works fin for me |
| 04:54.19 | dalias | (even tho it has no functionality beyond that of windows notepad) |
| 04:54.20 | jelly-home | dalias: but it does match! |
| 04:54.21 | DocPlatypus | where we have nothing *but* vi (or so we think, I don't hear of mg until much later) |
| 04:54.28 | dalias | jelly-home, :P |
| 04:54.29 | gravity | Zylstra555: aptitude install gnome |
| 04:54.43 | gravity | (or kde, or whatever) |
| 04:54.44 | dalias | mg rocks |
| 04:54.44 | Wyzard | dalias: I agree there -- I do prefer that aspect of gedit, but it's not an overriding reason to use it; I use emacs |
| 04:54.49 | dalias | except for lack of utf-8 support |
| 04:54.52 | BlackMagik | tobehz: the best text editor? |
| 04:54.55 | tobehz | yes, the best. |
| 04:54.57 | Zylstra555 | Gravity: Okay, Ill try it, but the first time I used Netinstall, it did everything by itself, any idea what went wrong? |
| 04:54.59 | dalias | i was planning on patching mg to add it... |
| 04:55.09 | dalias | but then i got addicted to full emacs again :) |
| 04:55.10 | DocPlatypus | dalias: for what it is intended for mg doesn't really need utf-8 |
| 04:55.10 | Wyzard | dalias: though I'd love to find an editor that's powerful like Emacs *and* visually fits in with the rest of my desktop... |
| 04:55.10 | gravity | Zylstra555: Not really. You may have not selected the desktop task or something |
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| 04:55.15 | tobehz | and if you don't think so too, then you're obviously uninformed. |
| 04:55.18 | gravity | Zylstra555: It should be a very easy fix though |
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| 04:55.28 | dalias | docplatypus, it doesn't need it if english is your language |
| 04:55.42 | ameyer | hmm, exploiting the vxworks dcc issue should theoretically cause a kline, right? |
| 04:55.43 | DocPlatypus | I have had grand delusions of writing an Emacs like editor, except based around Forth |
| 04:55.52 | grendal_prime | tobehz: i have to agree...simple small..there is a version of it on every distro i have ever used...and hell it has a simple easy to read menu at the bottom of the screen |
| 04:55.54 | BlackMagik | Zylstra555: i always use netinstall, works fine for me |
| 04:56.03 | DocPlatypus | dalias: most config files on an OpenBSD box *are* English/plain US ASCII |
| 04:56.03 | dalias | otherwise, if english is not your only language in use, and if you're using utf8 like you should be rather than codepage-soup, then it's kinda important |
| 04:56.04 | tobehz | exactly |
| 04:56.06 | Zylstra555 | Gravity: I selected the default install options, which included a GUI desktop |
| 04:56.14 | gravity | Zylstra555: I'm not sure then |
| 04:56.21 | grendal_prime | if you forget how to save something you look at the menu...instead of erasing a bunch of shit |
| 04:56.29 | tobehz | yup |
| 04:56.40 | DocPlatypus | anyway I'm off for a while |
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| 04:57.00 | dalias | :P |
| 04:57.06 | BlackMagik | when you can do :50yy to copy 50 lines that's when you're using a real editor |
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| 04:57.23 | dalias | anyway if mg did utf-8 i'd use it for my $VISUAL for mutt |
| 04:57.32 | Zylstra555 | Do I need to be in ROOT to install Gnome? |
| 04:57.37 | Zylstra555 | Or the user I want GNOME made for? |
| 04:57.39 | dalias | but being limited to ascii for email would be a big problem for me |
| 04:57.39 | grendal_prime | see BlackMagik i would never remember that when i needed it |
| 04:57.58 | Wyzard | BlackMagik: assuming you already know that the block of text you want to copy is exactly 50 lines long |
| 04:58.00 | dalias | zylstra555, i can't imagine trying to install gnome locally under a user account.... |
| 04:58.04 | BlackMagik | grendal_prime: that's why you should stick up the vim cheat sheet on your wall |
| 04:58.04 | dalias | it probably can be done |
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| 04:58.09 | grendal_prime | and i remember alot of important shit..more important than that and i dont need that taking up any of my ram |
| 04:58.09 | dalias | but if you have to ask i wouldn't try it... |
| 04:58.11 | BlackMagik | and keep a copy under your pillow too |
| 04:58.15 | gravity | Zylstra555: root |
| 04:58.22 | Wyzard | Zylstra555: You need to be root to install packages in general, including the GNOME packages |
| 04:58.37 | gravity | Zylstra555: Any user will be able to run gnome without troubles |
| 04:58.58 | Gm4n | how can I search through available packages? |
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| 04:59.04 | gravity | Gm4n: apt-cache search |
| 04:59.05 | dalias | apt-cache search |
| 04:59.12 | dalias | or use packages.debian.org website |
| 04:59.13 | gravity | ept-cache is pretty neat too |
| 04:59.20 | Zylstra555 | Building database.... |
| 04:59.38 | grendal_prime | Im all for that BlackMagik i love cheet sheets..im an ifr certified airplane pilot..and if there is one thing that will teach you is that there is no such thing as cheeting...just make a checklist for the stuff that is important...thing is..that shit is not important with you have an editor that has the cheet sheet built right into it!!! |
| 04:59.40 | Wyzard | gravity: nifty, I'd never heard of ept-cache before |
| 04:59.50 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, I finally tried it today |
| 04:59.51 | gravity | It's spiffy |
| 04:59.54 | Zylstra555 | Error! It cant ind the server |
| 04:59.55 | drmitch | apt-cache ? |
| 05:00.10 | Wyzard | drmitch: apt-cache show ept-cache |
| 05:00.26 | gravity | grendal_prime: :help |
| 05:00.30 | dalias | *sigh* the libgnome deps on my system are so small now but not quite gone |
| 05:00.34 | dalias | i can remove evince |
| 05:00.38 | dalias | epdfview is much better |
| 05:00.49 | drmitch | i use aptitude |
| 05:00.50 | dalias | but sadly not packaged, i had to build from source |
| 05:00.52 | Zylstra555 | Why is my computer removing things instead of putting them on? |
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| 05:00.57 | drmitch | it = sexy |
| 05:01.16 | Wyzard | drmitch: I use aptitude for actually installing things, but apt-cache (and presumably ept-cache) is helpful when searching |
| 05:01.19 | gravity | drmitch: You can use both |
| 05:01.35 | drmitch | i can't. i'm lazy |
| 05:01.39 | Zylstra555 | Now its moving on to updating things... |
| 05:01.40 | gravity | One glorious day maybe I'll make my google-like apt frontend using ept-cache |
| 05:01.46 | BlackMagik | grendal_prime: you're getting into nomenclature. a reference sheet is probably the better term |
| 05:02.08 | Zylstra555 | and remiving things again |
| 05:02.11 | Zylstra555 | there goes OpenOffice... |
| 05:02.16 | Zylstra555 | Failed to fetch again |
| 05:02.18 | Zylstra555 | reading |
| 05:02.24 | Zylstra555 | writting |
| 05:02.28 | Zylstra555 | initializing |
| 05:02.33 | Zylstra555 | and its done |
| 05:02.35 | craigevil | if you use kio-apt is a nice way to look at package info |
| 05:02.41 | gravity | Zylstra555: We don't need the play-by-play |
| 05:02.48 | BlackMagik | haha |
| 05:02.50 | gravity | Zylstra555: And if the machine doesn't have network then it won't be able to download |
| 05:03.07 | Zylstra555 | Gravity: lol. The machine is hooked up to the network, I used Netinstall to get it in the first place |
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| 05:03.24 | gravity | Zylstra555: Sure, but that doesn't mean that your system has an IP and whatnot |
| 05:03.31 | gravity | Zylstra555: If it can't find the server, that's a good bet |
| 05:03.49 | Zylstra555 | Gravity: I think something has gone terribly wrong with my system |
| 05:03.51 | craigevil | or its only using the cd for the sources.list |
| 05:03.57 | gravity | Zylstra555: It's possible I guess |
| 05:04.04 | Zylstra555 | gravity: It keeps loading TWM |
| 05:04.11 | gravity | Zylstra555: that's not "terribly wrong" |
| 05:04.13 | Zylstra555 | and I have reinstalled it many times, using different servers |
| 05:04.18 | gravity | Zylstra555: twm is the failsafe |
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| 05:04.35 | Zylstra555 | Gravity: how do I get rid of TWM and get Gnome back, and how do I obtain my IP address information? |
| 05:04.44 | gravity | Zylstra555: You install the gnome package, and you should have gnome |
| 05:04.52 | gravity | Zylstra555: You can check for your ip using /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:05.15 | Wyzard | note, ifconfig is deprecated in favor of iproute |
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| 05:05.40 | niru | I want to get an usb image |
| 05:05.49 | niru | at present I am having only cdrom image |
| 05:05.53 | niru | how to make it usb |
| 05:06.03 | Wyzard | niru: There's a separate file to download for that |
| 05:06.06 | niru | do I need to recompile debian-installer for usb |
| 05:06.10 | gravity | It's not so deprecated that it's required to be installed |
| 05:06.21 | Zylstra555 | g2g... Ill get it tomorrow |
| 05:06.25 | Wyzard | niru: You write it to a USB storage device, then mount it and copy the CD iso file to it |
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| 05:06.30 | gravity | Fair enough |
| 05:06.34 | Wyzard | niru: No, you don't have to recompile anything |
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| 05:09.45 | kenjy | hello, I lose all the day making a scp -r copy from one server to another but it stops because I get disconected for a seconds, I need to continue my scp copy from the stoped point because I can't drop more band width and time, I don't see a scp option to continue from a broken point, guys do you know a way? |
| 05:09.53 | phooka | Anyone know why unrar-free is giving me errors when trying to unrar this file? |
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| 05:09.58 | dalias | kenjy, use rsync instead |
| 05:10.00 | gravity | kenjy: rsync! |
| 05:10.03 | PuppiesOnAcid | Why can debian not call firefox "Firefox" ? |
| 05:10.26 | dalias | puppiesonacid, the firefox name is trademarked and the firefox ppl won't let you use the name for modified versions of the program |
| 05:10.38 | dalias | including the minimal modification debian needs to do to package it |
| 05:10.51 | PuppiesOnAcid | why is it modified in debian? |
| 05:10.54 | dalias | very lame non-free mentality |
| 05:11.11 | PuppiesOnAcid | Dude |
| 05:11.12 | PuppiesOnAcid | GaYa |
| 05:11.13 | Wyzard | PuppiesOnAcid: mainly bugfixes, I believe |
| 05:11.18 | dalias | even if it weren't modified at all, debian needs the ABILITY to distribute modified binaries |
| 05:11.18 | PuppiesOnAcid | What changes are made? |
| 05:11.41 | dalias | because if there's a security vuln, debian policy is always to backport the fix to the same version and release a vulnfix-only updated package |
| 05:11.57 | dalias | rather than forcing people to upgrade, which might introduce new bugs |
| 05:12.11 | gravity | PuppiesOnAcid: Very little in practice actually. But in principal, debian needs the ability to alter it. |
| 05:12.13 | dalias | but firefox trademark policy does not allow that |
| 05:12.13 | niru | Wyzard, I did not get |
| 05:12.17 | dalias | right |
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| 05:12.20 | niru | now I have built an iso image |
| 05:12.20 | dalias | what gravity said |
| 05:12.25 | niru | so that is for cdrom |
| 05:12.27 | SeveredCross | dalias, it's the way their EULA is set up. |
| 05:12.27 | PuppiesOnAcid | dude that is so crazy |
| 05:12.28 | gravity | PuppiesOnAcid: As do Debian derivatives. It's part of the Social contract that all the software in debian be modifiable |
| 05:12.28 | phooka | is there another to unrar a file besides this crappy unrar-free tool |
| 05:12.31 | phooka | that doesnt work. |
| 05:12.36 | Wyzard | niru: You "built" one? |
| 05:12.39 | PuppiesOnAcid | I cannot believe that people are so dedicated to opens ource projects |
| 05:12.40 | niru | the same image I need to write to usb |
| 05:12.45 | niru | Wyzard, yes |
| 05:12.54 | Wyzard | niru: Are you building customized installers, or just trying to use the official installer? |
| 05:13.09 | niru | Wyzard, yes customized installer |
| 05:13.14 | gravity | PuppiesOnAcid: What do you mean? |
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| 05:13.25 | Wyzard | niru: I don't know anything about the D-I build process, sorry |
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| 05:14.08 | Mordbrann | is anybody successfully using a V4L2 app with a 64 kernel? |
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| 05:14.37 | dalias | puppiesonacid, 90% of the firefox team is windows kiddies with proprietary windows mentalities |
| 05:14.57 | dalias | so this is what should be expected :( |
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| 05:16.01 | SeveredCross | That's why we should all use Konqueror. |
| 05:16.09 | SeveredCross | (says he with great sarcasm) |
| 05:16.13 | dalias | :P |
| 05:16.27 | dalias | i tried konq a few times and always had trouble with it |
| 05:16.33 | dalias | can't remember quite what tho |
| 05:16.36 | SeveredCross | I just couldn't seem to get used to it. |
| 05:16.42 | SeveredCross | Something about its interface bugged me. |
| 05:16.43 | phooka | Anyone know why unrar-free is not able to unrar this movie? it's like 50 diff files... |
| 05:16.46 | Mordbrann | Galeon used to be the best ever |
| 05:16.55 | SeveredCross | phooka: What kinda errors are you getting/ |
| 05:17.00 | dalias | and pulling in 50 megs of kde/qt dependencies i would never use for any other app made it really unappealing |
| 05:17.02 | phooka | Failed. |
| 05:17.07 | SeveredCross | That too dalias. |
| 05:17.17 | geo-rge | so it's not being specific about what happened... |
| 05:17.19 | dalias | phooka, unrar-free can only unrar ancient .rar's |
| 05:17.23 | geo-rge | cant' do anything about that |
| 05:17.25 | SeveredCross | I mean, I do like the whole kio concept, I think it could see some use in Nautilus, but meh. |
| 05:17.31 | dalias | you need the nonfree one to extrace anything modern |
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| 05:17.40 | phooka | dalias: point to where i can the nonfree on for linux |
| 05:17.42 | dalias | however the nonfree one is not as offensive as most nonfree software |
| 05:17.56 | dalias | it has source, just not a free license -- so it's at least not binaryware |
| 05:18.03 | geo-rge | phooka: that's written on the install guide |
| 05:18.08 | dalias | phooka, debian non-free section has a .deb |
| 05:18.44 | phooka | wher eis that |
| 05:19.03 | dalias | !rar |
| 05:19.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar> |
| 05:19.09 | dalias | !unrar |
| 05:19.09 | dpkg | somebody said unrar was a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 05:19.21 | dalias | *sigh* i was hoping for better info |
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| 05:19.46 | SeveredCross | Why is RAR the worst format ever? It does a good job with compression, the only downside I see is that it's proprietary. |
| 05:19.59 | dalias | 7zip is much better and free |
| 05:20.03 | phooka | Can someone please help me i need to unrar this movie |
| 05:20.10 | SeveredCross | 7zip is pretty awesome. I also like bzip2, heh. |
| 05:20.18 | dalias | and .zip is worse compression but universally supported without add-on software |
| 05:20.27 | phooka | i cant find source on the fucking site |
| 05:20.34 | dalias | phooka, get it from debian! |
| 05:20.39 | phooka | WHERE |
| 05:20.48 | grendal_prime | by the way BlackMagik we dont call them reference sheets we call them checklists.. |
| 05:20.49 | SeveredCross | The non-free repo dude, someone already told you. |
| 05:20.55 | geo-rge | !search |
| 05:20.55 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 05:20.57 | jetscreamer | either get the rar that's on marillat's or your screwed |
| 05:20.59 | phooka | there is no non-free section in packages |
| 05:21.03 | Wyzard | phooka: Try cat'ing all the individual pieces together into one big .rar file, and extracting that |
| 05:21.09 | jetscreamer | winrar 3.0 format isn't supported iirc |
| 05:21.15 | Wyzard | phooka: It might just be having trouble with a multi-part archive |
| 05:21.19 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:21.19 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 05:21.28 | phooka | Wyzard: i dont know how to do that |
| 05:21.29 | dalias | jetscreamer, rar3 is supported by the nonfree unrar, which has source |
| 05:21.30 | Wyzard | oh, it's the newer compression format |
| 05:21.38 | dalias | so if anyone cared they could read the source and document the format |
| 05:21.43 | Wyzard | There's the "unrar" package in non-free, as dalias said |
| 05:21.45 | dalias | then someone else could write a cleanroom implementation |
| 05:22.00 | dalias | and make it free |
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| 05:22.05 | phooka | Wyzard: where is this non-free? apt-get? the website? what, be specific please |
| 05:22.06 | kenjy | guys I can't use rsync |
| 05:22.12 | kenjy | I don't have control over the firewall |
| 05:22.17 | dalias | but most of the warez d00dz using rar files don't care about free software.. |
| 05:22.23 | kenjy | how can I continue my backup from the broken point? |
| 05:22.27 | Wyzard | ~tell phooka about non-free |
| 05:22.30 | dalias | kenjy, rsync runs over ssh protocol |
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| 05:22.43 | dalias | don't use the native 'rsync daemon' stuff, it's bad |
| 05:22.44 | SeveredCross | http://packages.debian.org/etch/unrar |
| 05:22.46 | SeveredCross | There. |
| 05:22.50 | Wyzard | phooka: add "contrib non-free" after "main" in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:22.51 | kenjy | I can't set a rsync serve dalias |
| 05:22.57 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 05:23.00 | dalias | kenjy, you don't need one |
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| 05:23.06 | dalias | both computers just need rsync installed |
| 05:23.08 | kenjy | mmm |
| 05:23.13 | dalias | and the actual connection will be made over ssh |
| 05:23.31 | kenjy | dalias ... thats what google sayd ... |
| 05:23.35 | Wyzard | kenjy: btw, there's also a tool called "unison" which is similar in spirit to rsync, but it can sync in both directions |
| 05:23.36 | dalias | and after ssh'ing in it will run the 'rsync' program on the remote host |
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| 05:23.55 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 05:23.55 | lymeca | I'm trying to mount an HFS+ partition read/write but hpmount in 'hfsutils' package can't seem to understand that it is in fact a legitimate HFS+ partition. I can mount it fine using 'mount' as an hfsplus filesystem, but I can't write to it that way! |
| 05:23.56 | kenjy | Wyzard I need to push the info |
| 05:23.59 | jetscreamer | WTF |
| 05:24.10 | jetscreamer | unrar..... Maintainer: Martin Meredith <mez@ubuntu.com |
| 05:24.27 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: There are a number of maintainers who work on both Debian and Ubuntu |
| 05:24.35 | gravity | True enough |
| 05:24.38 | jetscreamer | i feel soiled |
| 05:24.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:25.08 | jetscreamer | hey gravity .... the multiple .serverauth files ... is that fixed in sid? |
| 05:25.19 | gravity | jetscreamer: Nope |
| 05:25.24 | jetscreamer | o |
| 05:25.42 | gravity | low priority right now, for me at least |
| 05:25.49 | jetscreamer | just curious |
| 05:25.52 | gravity | I'm still working on configuration stuff |
| 05:26.00 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 05:26.09 | jetscreamer | good job btw even though you should know that |
| 05:26.14 | gravity | Heh, thanks |
| 05:26.20 | gravity | Although I can take very little credit for the recent work |
| 05:26.35 | gravity | My patches are there, but they're not really doing much yet. |
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| 05:26.54 | phooka | Wyzard: add that site then main contrib non-free in that file? |
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| 05:27.08 | Wyzard | phooka: There's no extra site to add |
| 05:27.17 | phooka | uh |
| 05:27.19 | Wyzard | phooka: non-free is another section of the ordinary Debian archive, alongside main |
| 05:27.32 | jetscreamer | unrar the non-free isn't in etch sources is it? |
| 05:27.48 | Wyzard | phooka: You add it to your existing lines in sources.list |
| 05:27.49 | jetscreamer | it's in testing for sure, but etch? |
| 05:27.55 | stoffepojken | exit |
| 05:28.39 | SeveredCross | Non-free unrar is in etch, I just linked to it. |
| 05:28.49 | SeveredCross | It's newer in sid and testing, it's just that the etch link was the first hit. |
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| 05:29.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:30.14 | robboplus | does anyone know what exactly has changed in kernel 2.6.21+ so it won't boot and says some crap about waiting for root fs? |
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| 05:30.32 | robboplus | i heard it had to do with udev or something but can't really find out what's wrong |
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| 05:30.48 | jetscreamer | robboplus: self compiled? |
| 05:30.51 | Wyzard | robboplus: different device names perhaps, like /dev/hda becoming /dev/sda |
| 05:31.00 | Wyzard | robboplus: due to the transition to libata |
| 05:31.02 | robboplus | jetscreamer taken from lenny |
| 05:31.16 | robboplus | Wyzard hm... i did correct that already and still same prob |
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| 05:31.25 | Wyzard | dunno offhand then |
| 05:31.27 | jetscreamer | try using UUID= in fstab and menu.lst instead of /dev/hda |
| 05:31.36 | jetscreamer | or whichever |
| 05:31.43 | Wyzard | robboplus: Did you regenerate your initramfs after fixing that? |
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| 05:31.50 | robboplus | Wyzard in *some* case it in fact was a prob with hda/sda but i have one more box and it still won't boot after correcting that |
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| 05:32.03 | robboplus | Wyzard hm... |
| 05:32.04 | family | hey guys i need some help understanding how debian works the gui part what are the main dependencies |
| 05:32.08 | kenjy | dalias Im trying to use rsync with ssh but I get this error http://rafb.net/p/w8BTfB62.html |
| 05:32.24 | robboplus | jetscreamer i'm not really sure if i understood you about that |
| 05:32.48 | robboplus | Wyzard i only tried to edit the line on boot time |
| 05:32.58 | robboplus | Wyzard never made any permanent changes in the system |
| 05:33.10 | robboplus | the hda/sda thing that is |
| 05:33.13 | SeveredCross | Hmm. |
| 05:33.26 | robboplus | s/on/at |
| 05:33.39 | Mordbrann | anybody here have a tv card working with a 64 bit kernel? |
| 05:34.10 | lymeca | Is there a way to tell when X11 7.3 is making it into sid? |
| 05:34.20 | jetscreamer | robboplus: if you can boot it at all, the uuids are found in /dev/disk/by-uuid ... you use root=UUID=<insert uuid here> instead of root=/dev/hda1 |
| 05:34.27 | Wyzard | robboplus: That should be all you need for just mounting the root filesystem, but on a machine where the device names have changed, I'd recommend updating /etc/fstab and regenerating the initramfs too |
| 05:34.31 | jetscreamer | a menu.lst |
| 05:34.39 | slapfaceware | i need help |
| 05:34.43 | robboplus | jetscreamer oh mhmm... |
| 05:34.58 | slapfaceware | ReiserFS: warning: vs-500: unknown uniqueness 2311808 |
| 05:35.09 | robboplus | Wyzard not too sure if i know how to regenerate the initramfs |
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| 05:35.13 | SeveredCross | X 7.3 is gonna be awesome. |
| 05:35.17 | Wyzard | robboplus: update-initramfs |
| 05:35.23 | slapfaceware | double fault, gdt at c046ac80 [255 bytes] |
| 05:35.31 | slapfaceware | double fault, tss at c03acf40 |
| 05:35.33 | robboplus | Wyzard thank you i will play with it |
| 05:35.37 | jetscreamer | family: you mean like apt-get install xorg <gnome kde other> ? |
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| 05:35.40 | SeveredCross | Does that need root? |
| 05:35.43 | slapfaceware | what does this mean? |
| 05:35.45 | robboplus | and i will also play with uuid think just to see if that works :) |
| 05:36.13 | jetscreamer | works here... fixes my multiple ide controller udev issue |
| 05:36.28 | slapfaceware | help? |
| 05:36.29 | robboplus | damn nice, i had no clue about that uuid stuff |
| 05:36.31 | slapfaceware | is this kernel panic? |
| 05:36.36 | jetscreamer | funny my laptop just works with /dev/hda |
| 05:36.36 | slapfaceware | ReiserFS: warning: vs-500: unknown uniqueness 2311808 |
| 05:36.50 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: corrupted filesystem, most likely |
| 05:36.51 | jetscreamer | no that's not a kernel panic |
| 05:36.55 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: Unmount it and run reiserfsck on it |
| 05:36.58 | family | xorg |
| 05:37.00 | jetscreamer | why reiser btw |
| 05:37.12 | ivx | hey i just read that there is a new etch installer that supports raid, is this true? |
| 05:37.16 | slapfaceware | what should be used instead of reiser |
| 05:37.25 | jetscreamer | aptitude install xorg should work for you then family |
| 05:37.27 | Wyzard | slapfaceware: ext3 is the usual |
| 05:37.30 | robboplus | reiser is /dev/wife :) |
| 05:37.41 | slapfaceware | i guess they use reiser for a reasson? |
| 05:37.42 | zinx | jetscreamer: usually people believe it is faster/better/will get them women they can murder |
| 05:37.47 | slapfaceware | the admin who installed it |
| 05:37.51 | robboplus | err sorry, not sure if this kind of jokes are still welcome |
| 05:37.52 | jetscreamer | slapfaceware: you can use anything, but reiser isn't the greatest afaict |
| 05:37.58 | family | im trying to make my own deb system starting from euronode woodie but it doesnt include x11 so i need to understand the fundementals of how it works |
| 05:37.58 | Penix | I'd hope not |
| 05:38.14 | robboplus | zinx in fact reiser IS fast and doesn't use much cpu compared to ext3 |
| 05:38.23 | zinx | robboplus: ha ha ha |
| 05:38.37 | robboplus | zinx that's what i have read at least - some nice comparison |
| 05:38.44 | zinx | robboplus: it's been quite a bit slower in my experiences :D |
| 05:38.46 | robboplus | Wyzard is it coming? |
| 05:38.52 | Wyzard | It's in development |
| 05:39.00 | robboplus | zinx it might depend on what files you got on it |
| 05:39.02 | ameyer | at least ext3 won't kill you |
| 05:39.06 | zinx | robboplus: true enough |
| 05:39.10 | family | aww forget fundementals im going to bootstrap crap ontop of the kernel |
| 05:39.11 | Wyzard | I think the projection is 6-12 months |
| 05:39.14 | SeveredCross | I read an early review of ext4, it looks like it's going to pillage all other filesystems. |
| 05:39.20 | family | and hope it works lol |
| 05:39.32 | Wyzard | online defragmentation will be especially nice |
| 05:39.36 | robboplus | zinx it sucks for lots of small files but ROCKS for big files |
| 05:39.49 | robboplus | Wyzard damn that sounds good |
| 05:39.51 | Penix | I love being a jfs whore |
| 05:39.57 | jetscreamer | you too? |
| 05:40.00 | robboplus | SeveredCross want to share the link? |
| 05:40.06 | Wyzard | I'm also looking forward to having a working fallocate() in 2.6.23... hopefully more apps will start actually using fallocate(), since that can help avoid fragmentation |
| 05:40.13 | SeveredCross | It was a while ago robboplus. |
| 05:40.13 | bullgard4 | Where are the identifiers of /proc/meminfo defined or explained? |
| 05:40.14 | jetscreamer | family: so you want to build xorg? |
| 05:40.19 | robboplus | hm does jfs work fine for you guys? i heard bad stories sometime ago... |
| 05:40.39 | Penix | I've been using it for atleast ~4 years without a problem |
| 05:40.48 | Penix | I like not having to think about my fs |
| 05:40.49 | jetscreamer | jfs borked on me once, but i can blame the power outage |
| 05:40.51 | jetscreamer | no ups |
| 05:40.56 | Gm4n | how can I tell if the webalizer package in apt is webalizer or webalizer xtended? |
| 05:40.56 | zinx | robboplus: i tried to create a file that was a few exobytes on it once, it locked the filesystem up while it tried to make it... |
| 05:40.57 | robboplus | i was told that jfs will not survive power outtage or at least you risk alot |
| 05:41.01 | zinx | robboplus: for quite some time |
| 05:41.03 | slapfaceware | now my reiserfs is broken.. |
| 05:41.05 | slapfaceware | dam it |
| 05:41.14 | zinx | s/exo/exa/ |
| 05:41.15 | jetscreamer | robboplus: that's reiser or xfs |
| 05:41.19 | robboplus | slapfaceware so repair it, there are tools for that |
| 05:41.20 | Wyzard | robboplus: I've heard that about XFS, and seen it firsthand there, but don't think I've heard it about JFS |
| 05:41.21 | Penix | I've had several systems go down in power outages, and suffer from even worse events, without any data loss |
| 05:41.27 | slapfaceware | i can't reboot it. it's remote |
| 05:41.38 | Penix | I even live on the edge with no ups and little to no surge protection |
| 05:41.40 | robboplus | slapfaceware just go SLOW, don't rush it and don't panic or it will break forever |
| 05:41.41 | jetscreamer | my box has gone down from power a lot |
| 05:41.55 | jetscreamer | just borked once though |
| 05:42.03 | slapfaceware | i was installing some software, and it broke like that |
| 05:42.13 | Penix | any problems I've had with a jfs box have been hardware failures |
| 05:42.18 | robboplus | Wyzard i met this guy here or two before and they were giving rl examples which made me avoid jfs, would have to dig the logs to find out more |
| 05:42.47 | robboplus | slapfaceware do you have a recovery console? |
| 05:42.52 | family | jetscreamer im going to debootstrap the xorg package |
| 05:42.56 | Penix | all on top of lvm with frequent resize action too |
| 05:43.02 | robboplus | slapfaceware or isn't it a dedi |
| 05:43.29 | robboplus | slapfaceware and what kind of stuff were you installing so it broke? it doesn't happen daily imho |
| 05:43.30 | slapfaceware | it's remote box, i'm accesing it with kvm |
| 05:43.38 | slapfaceware | installing squirrelmail |
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| 05:43.43 | slapfaceware | it's 3.1 box |
| 05:43.46 | robboplus | damn that's strange |
| 05:44.00 | jetscreamer | family: do you mean you're going to try to install xorg on a woody system, or are you trying to use debootstrap to get etch? |
| 05:44.17 | slapfaceware | i know i should upgrade it to 4 |
| 05:44.20 | slapfaceware | but |
| 05:44.40 | robboplus | nono i meant squirrel shouldn't really do that, should it |
| 05:44.57 | chuy_max | is this the official debian channel? or is the one at OFTC? |
| 05:45.11 | lindenle | anyone here a wizard at traffic shaping..im trying to make my slooooowwww DSL treat interactive traffice nicely when downloading files etc |
| 05:45.26 | robboplus | chuy_max oftc is official but who cares :) |
| 05:45.28 | geo-rge | chuy_max: it's probablyu that one |
| 05:45.40 | robboplus | most friendly geeks hang around in here :) |
| 05:45.50 | geo-rge | rright, who cares ^W^W why do you ask? |
| 05:46.20 | family | i have the woody files im going to debootstrap the essencial deb files inside the iso then autoload them into the system |
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| 05:46.34 | robboplus | lindenle it's a long story... and no one will do the reading for you most likely :) |
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| 05:47.07 | robboplus | lindenle and sorry, didn't mean to sound rude, just really - traffic shaping requires some reading if you want to fix it on your box efficently |
| 05:47.18 | Gm4n | when I apt-get install webalizer, can I use the webalizer xtended patch on top of it? |
| 05:47.42 | chuy_max | robboplus, weirdly enough, there is more people here than at OFTC server (official channel) |
| 05:47.51 | jetscreamer | family: it 'might' just be easier to d/l a full on cd or dvd and use that for a source |
| 05:47.57 | lindenle | robboplus: its no problem I am reading but I am confused why it is not working that is all |
| 05:48.11 | robboplus | chuy_max that's what i'm telling you since 5 mins :) |
| 05:48.32 | geo-rge | chuy_max: not so weird... oftc people started their "service" by trying to financially harm (among other ways) lilo aka rob levin |
| 05:48.34 | jetscreamer | family: you would have to use apt-cdrom package to add a cd/dvd to sources |
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| 05:48.46 | lindenle | robboplus: thought someon mught have a for "late night dummies" link |
| 05:48.54 | family | jetscreamer im trying to make it like dsl but with more functuality |
| 05:49.18 | robboplus | lindenle aka "hold my hand" you mean? :) |
| 05:49.23 | family | oh jetscreamer im so sorry its not in iso format its tarball source for the euronode |
| 05:49.32 | geo-rge | they also conspired to convince openprojects.net (old name) server owners to fold up and join oftc |
| 05:49.42 | jetscreamer | geo-rge: you realize that one could take that a step farther and say one of them was driving the car |
| 05:49.44 | family | im going to place other stuff into the woody and make a iso file out of it |
| 05:50.23 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: I wasn't there... not sure if I'd put it past them or not; there was some animosity tho |
| 05:50.39 | geo-rge | and yes, I do realize that |
| 05:50.41 | jetscreamer | !debian strike force |
| 05:50.41 | lindenle | robboplus:;) |
| 05:51.01 | robboplus | ok... celebrating first week on etch with lenny's kernel - against all odds :) |
| 05:51.05 | liable | !xsf |
| 05:51.06 | dpkg | somebody said xsf was an acronym for the debian x strike force. the wiki can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 05:51.09 | robboplus | ..and people that were telling me how bad it was :) |
| 05:51.13 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 05:51.26 | jetscreamer | family: maybe http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 05:51.36 | jetscreamer | family: or x.org |
| 05:51.48 | robboplus | i wonder how much is x.org :) |
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| 05:52.00 | jetscreamer | sounds expensive |
| 05:52.00 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: I'll prefer to mention things that I personally saw... if you want to talk about who killed lilo, be my guest :P |
| 05:52.00 | jetscreamer | probably a gift though |
| 05:52.01 | robboplus | yup |
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| 05:52.08 | robboplus | he he |
| 05:52.16 | jetscreamer | geo-rge: i was trying to not come out and say kill |
| 05:52.35 | jetscreamer | i was just commenting on the possible interpretations |
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| 05:55.50 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: that's obviously what you were referring to... why not just be up front |
| 05:58.20 | jetscreamer | if you say so |
| 05:58.23 | jetscreamer | maybe i did it |
| 05:58.29 | dalias | robboplus, using etch with lenny's kernel is hardly living on the edge |
| 05:58.34 | jetscreamer | i lived about 5 miles from him |
| 05:58.37 | dalias | try using etch with lenny's libc6 ! :P |
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| 05:59.06 | dalias | (don't really try that, youll prolly screw your system to hell) |
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| 05:59.16 | robboplus | dalias hm i already did that |
| 05:59.19 | dalias | oh.. |
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| 05:59.28 | robboplus | and nothing really broke.. had to convert to be able to install headers |
| 05:59.44 | robboplus | installed some packages since.. everything works just fine |
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| 06:00.05 | robboplus | perhaps i just don't get it but so far really no probs |
| 06:00.06 | Tobsn | stupid question but how do i restart a runit service? |
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| 06:00.35 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/<thing> restart if i understood you tobsn |
| 06:00.44 | Tobsn | runit <- |
| 06:00.51 | jetscreamer | runit? |
| 06:00.57 | robboplus | what service is that? |
| 06:01.01 | jetscreamer | what is that |
| 06:01.09 | Tobsn | apt- get install runit |
| 06:01.09 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 06:01.13 | robboplus | ruinit? :) |
| 06:01.20 | jetscreamer | !info runit |
| 06:01.27 | dpkg | runit: (a UNIX init scheme with service supervision), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
| 06:01.50 | robboplus | i still don't get it |
| 06:01.58 | jetscreamer | sounds like what i said will work, but neither do i |
| 06:01.59 | robboplus | anyway /etc/init.d/runit restart shall work |
| 06:02.17 | Tobsn | nope |
| 06:02.18 | robboplus | runit - a UNIX init scheme with service supervision |
| 06:02.23 | robboplus | can someone please elaborate on that one? |
| 06:02.24 | Tobsn | you can gracefuly restart service with it |
| 06:02.26 | jetscreamer | i think he wants to restart something he started with runit |
| 06:02.27 | Tobsn | but i cant find how |
| 06:02.28 | robboplus | it might be interesting |
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| 06:02.40 | robboplus | jetscreamer oh hm |
| 06:02.42 | Tobsn | jetscreamer, yep |
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| 06:02.49 | jetscreamer | so /etc/init.d/whatever restart isn't graceful i guess |
| 06:02.50 | Tobsn | runit is very interessting |
| 06:02.57 | Tobsn | it keeps your daemons running |
| 06:03.07 | robboplus | Tobsn they ARE running |
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| 06:03.16 | Tobsn | yeah yeah |
| 06:03.17 | robboplus | i really don't understand, please explain |
| 06:03.20 | reZo | what is the difference between gnome-core and gnome debian packages? |
| 06:03.32 | jetscreamer | how much cruft you get, reZo |
| 06:03.46 | jetscreamer | they are metapackages that depend on other stuff |
| 06:03.49 | Tobsn | whats not to understand? runit monitors your services, is one down, he executes the run file you created for it |
| 06:03.50 | robboplus | Tobsn does it simply watch services in case they broke and restarts them? |
| 06:03.58 | Tobsn | so your services getting restarted right away |
| 06:03.59 | jetscreamer | the gnome metapackage depends on many metapackages |
| 06:04.01 | reZo | kk |
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| 06:04.11 | Tobsn | http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/wiki/HowToRunLightyWithRunit |
| 06:04.13 | robboplus | Tobsn oh that can be done with 2 bash commands :) |
| 06:04.14 | Tobsn | for example |
| 06:04.15 | jetscreamer | if you want all gnome has, get the gnome ... |
| 06:04.21 | cishpix | can anyone give me the configuration in /etc/exports if I want to share the folder, the client must give the password |
| 06:04.23 | jetscreamer | or try gnome-core and add stuff as wanted |
| 06:04.27 | reZo | i want the gnome version without gedit and such |
| 06:04.30 | Tobsn | robboplus, crazy that someone would code "runit" then... :P |
| 06:04.32 | robboplus | but still worth having a look, thank you |
| 06:04.38 | reZo | just metacity, and the desktop enivroment |
| 06:04.49 | niru | what is the best application to see my remote desktop |
| 06:04.49 | robboplus | Tobsn it IS crazy as i use a simple shell script to "watch" some service |
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| 06:04.59 | jetscreamer | -core or others... it can be not the easiest thing to not get gnome packages... :) |
| 06:05.24 | jetscreamer | try the gnome-core ... check out the dependencies first |
| 06:05.28 | robboplus | Tobsn but probably that tool is more useful and got some nice features |
| 06:05.35 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show gnome-core reZo |
| 06:05.48 | reZo | :) |
| 06:05.48 | Gm4n | how do I force a log rotate, and how do I set how often they rotate? |
| 06:05.48 | reZo | thakns |
| 06:05.48 | jetscreamer | then apt-cache show gnome |
| 06:05.51 | Tobsn | robboplus, now you got it |
| 06:06.00 | robboplus | he he |
| 06:06.20 | robboplus | Tobsn so... if your runit is running.. just kill the service |
| 06:06.24 | robboplus | it will restart it for you :) |
| 06:06.32 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 06:06.36 | robboplus | that's what you wanted, right? |
| 06:06.36 | Tobsn | nah i dont get the system |
| 06:06.40 | robboplus | kill -6 |
| 06:06.45 | jetscreamer | man logrotate at the least, Gm4n |
| 06:06.59 | reZo | gnome-core is my prefered then, |
| 06:07.15 | reZo | although, it would be nic,e to remove gedit once i install gnome-core, is that possible? |
| 06:07.21 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 06:07.48 | jetscreamer | it will try to take the gnome-core metapackage at the same time reZo , but that's ok it will only be the metapackage |
| 06:07.48 | reZo | how would i go about doing that? |
| 06:07.48 | Gm4n | jetscreamer: whoops, forgot there's some stuff I don't see when I'm not root |
| 06:07.56 | reZo | ah okay |
| 06:08.03 | jetscreamer | reZo: apt-get remove --purge gedit |
| 06:08.05 | reZo | :) |
| 06:08.11 | jetscreamer | make that aptitude |
| 06:08.27 | reZo | The following packages will be REMOVED: gedit* gnome-core* |
| 06:08.35 | reZo | it removes gnome-core as well lol |
| 06:08.45 | reZo | aptitude, okay |
| 06:08.57 | dalias | :P |
| 06:09.01 | dalias | hey |
| 06:09.01 | jetscreamer | reZo: i told you it would, but that's ok it's just a meta |
| 06:09.08 | dalias | anyone know a way to identify what actual font a glyph is coming from? |
| 06:09.20 | dalias | (when xft apps are using fallback fonts) |
| 06:09.29 | reZo | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 06:09.35 | jetscreamer | reZo: it won't take all the packages that gnome-core sucked in, just the meta |
| 06:09.47 | reZo | :) |
| 06:10.05 | jetscreamer | i like gedit! |
| 06:10.09 | slapfaceware | if it's version 3.1, should i use sarge in sources.list? |
| 06:10.11 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:10.17 | dalias | hmm i should make a font that covers the entire PUA in "question mark diamonds" |
| 06:10.22 | reZo | nano > gedit :P |
| 06:10.35 | slapfaceware | i'm not able to aptitude install squirrelmail in 3.1 |
| 06:10.43 | dalias | i have random chinese characters popping up in some googly results that happen to be using the PUA for something |
| 06:10.59 | jetscreamer | reZo: nano has a LOT of options disabled by default in debian... i like nano also, but never knew it was a lot better |
| 06:11.06 | dalias | when they obviously weren't intended as chinese.. |
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| 06:11.38 | slapfaceware | let me read chinese for you, im chinese |
| 06:11.42 | dalias | it's not chinese |
| 06:11.43 | robboplus | slapfaceware damn nice |
| 06:11.44 | dalias | it's pua characters |
| 06:11.48 | reZo | jetscreamer: i know that, and i have configured it to be nice |
| 06:12.00 | reZo | syntax highlighting, custmoized, etc |
| 06:12.02 | dalias | which some chinese font has defined as chinese glyphs |
| 06:12.02 | slapfaceware | how do you know it's not chinese, you don't know chinese |
| 06:12.05 | tengulre | slapfaceware: are u chinese? |
| 06:12.09 | jetscreamer | you sure it's not the little square boxes that you get when you don't have the font, dalias ? |
| 06:12.11 | slapfaceware | yes i am |
| 06:12.18 | dalias | jetscreamer, yeah |
| 06:12.25 | robboplus | slapfaceware would you happen to know if there is any chinese-english translator that works? especially for online stuff |
| 06:12.28 | tengulre | slapfaceware: which city are u aliving? |
| 06:12.39 | dalias | slapfaceware, because they're at random points in the middle of another language |
| 06:12.41 | slapfaceware | living in shenzhen now |
| 06:12.44 | Arafangion | slapfaceware: Um, I'm sure you don't know this, but *every* non-latin character is chinese. :) |
| 06:12.54 | slapfaceware | google translater maybe |
| 06:12.58 | dalias | arafangion, lol |
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| 06:13.09 | tengulre | slapfaceware: hmm, I m chinese too. :-D |
| 06:13.13 | slapfaceware | no, korean are not chinese |
| 06:13.13 | dalias | slapfaceware, i can read the text fine when i visit the site |
| 06:13.13 | jetscreamer | bbl |
| 06:13.16 | slapfaceware | tengulre, where are you |
| 06:13.20 | Arafangion | slapfaceware: The koreans use chinese characters. |
| 06:13.23 | tengulre | slapfaceware: Xi'an. |
| 06:13.23 | dalias | i'm just trying to find out which chinse font i have is full of PUA characters |
| 06:13.25 | tengulre | do u have QQ number or msn? |
| 06:13.33 | dalias | hey slapfaceware |
| 06:13.35 | slapfaceware | tengulre, cool, i have skype |
| 06:13.39 | slapfaceware | jwong0511 |
| 06:13.45 | tengulre | msn? |
| 06:13.49 | slapfaceware | hmm? |
| 06:13.50 | robboplus | slapfaceware any ideas where to order like 100 SD cards at wholesale price in shenzhen? :) |
| 06:13.50 | tengulre | not msn? |
| 06:13.51 | dalias | think you could find any chinese interested in getting QQ support into bitlbee? |
| 06:13.51 | slapfaceware | no msn |
| 06:14.08 | slapfaceware | hua qiang bei |
| 06:14.12 | dalias | (like, with coding skills and time i mean :) |
| 06:14.12 | slapfaceware | where else |
| 06:14.25 | tengulre | slapfaceware: what working do u doing? |
| 06:14.30 | robboplus | slapfaceware hm.. what's hua qiang bei? |
| 06:14.35 | slapfaceware | dalias, that sounds very interesting.. |
| 06:14.39 | slapfaceware | but |
| 06:14.44 | dalias | pidgin has QQ support |
| 06:14.49 | slapfaceware | qq is chinese based, i can't even type chinese in any irc client |
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| 06:14.55 | dalias | but if i had to run a separate program for QQ I'd never be online |
| 06:15.01 | slapfaceware | robboplus, are you in shenzhen? |
| 06:15.08 | dalias | and since my friends who use it are rarely online too, the chances of us meeting would be near-zero |
| 06:15.16 | slapfaceware | tengulre, i cannot access msn here |
| 06:15.17 | tengulre | slapfaceware: irc supprot UTF-8 ! |
| 06:15.29 | robboplus | slapfaceware i'm like 8000 miles from shenzhen |
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| 06:15.37 | slapfaceware | but i've tried xchat with bitlbee, they can't see my chinese typing, but i can see theirs |
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| 06:15.47 | tengulre | slapfaceware : what working do u doing? programmer? networking adminsitrator, and so on? |
| 06:15.51 | slapfaceware | robboplus, so why you ask me this. |
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| 06:15.56 | slapfaceware | tengulre, yes |
| 06:16.01 | Arafangion | tengulre: No irc doesn't /support/ utf-8. Some clients and servers happen to work with utf-8, though. |
| 06:16.10 | dalias | slapfaceware, are you using windows xchat or linux? |
| 06:16.13 | slapfaceware | robboplus, where are you |
| 06:16.18 | slapfaceware | windows xchat |
| 06:16.20 | tengulre | slapfaceware: 'yes' for what? |
| 06:16.20 | robboplus | slapfaceware because i want to order from .cn |
| 06:16.26 | slapfaceware | tengulre, admin |
| 06:16.28 | robboplus | slapfaceware i'm in europe |
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| 06:16.34 | dalias | windows xchat might have limitations that keep it from working |
| 06:16.36 | tengulre | slapfaceware: COOL? |
| 06:16.52 | dalias | i think you need to configure the GTK edit control to use the windows system IME |
| 06:17.03 | dalias | instead of GTK's stupid native IME framework |
| 06:17.04 | robboplus | slapfaceware been looking on ebay but i don't know if i can trust cn sellers in there, what is your opinion on that? they offer sell for just silly cheap prices which are hard to believe |
| 06:17.05 | slapfaceware | nono, dalias i can type chinese in xchat2 |
| 06:17.12 | dalias | ah |
| 06:17.20 | slapfaceware | but something happens when it gets to the other |
| 06:17.30 | Arafangion | slapfaceware: What do they use? |
| 06:17.43 | Arafangion | slapfaceware: Their client (or the server!) might not work with utf-8. |
| 06:17.44 | dalias | try this |
| 06:17.49 | Arafangion | slapfaceware: Is it possible for you to use jabber instead? |
| 06:17.54 | slapfaceware | i believe it's server |
| 06:18.07 | Arafangion | slapfaceware: jabber is completely utf-8 native. |
| 06:18.12 | dalias | ä¸å›½ |
| 06:18.13 | slapfaceware | no, i only use skype and qq |
| 06:18.21 | slapfaceware | dalias, yes i can see |
| 06:18.25 | slapfaceware | ä½ å¥½ |
| 06:18.30 | slapfaceware | you can see this too i believe |
| 06:18.30 | dalias | i can see that fine |
| 06:18.33 | dalias | yep |
| 06:18.36 | slapfaceware | but when i use bitlbee server |
| 06:18.39 | tengulre | ä¸å›½ |
| 06:18.43 | tengulre | ä½ å¥½ï¼Œå‘µå‘µï¼ |
| 06:18.47 | slapfaceware | friends said they are weird character |
| 06:18.51 | dalias | slapfaceware, when you use bitlbee you need to tell it your charset for the irc session |
| 06:18.52 | tengulre | I use mirc client. |
| 06:18.52 | slapfaceware | 好啊 |
| 06:18.54 | dalias | set charset utf-8 |
| 06:19.02 | dalias | then it should work |
| 06:19.03 | slapfaceware | really? cool |
| 06:19.11 | tengulre | font->utf-8 show & convert. |
| 06:19.15 | dalias | and it will save it in your account profile |
| 06:19.21 | robboplus | ä½ å¥½ï¼Œå‘µå‘µï¼ |
| 06:19.25 | slapfaceware | a ha! |
| 06:19.28 | robboplus | i love it |
| 06:19.35 | slapfaceware | awesome! |
| 06:19.37 | tengulre | robboplus: are you chinese too? |
| 06:19.48 | robboplus | wish i could find a good tutorial to learn at least SOME chinese |
| 06:19.53 | tengulre | nice to meet u all chinese here.hehe.. |
| 06:19.57 | robboplus | tengulre nope, but i do like China |
| 06:20.10 | tengulre | robboplus: oh, OK! |
| 06:20.13 | dalias | haha i'm not chinese |
| 06:20.16 | robboplus | some day i plan to travel and live there for a while |
| 06:20.34 | tengulre | wellcome to china in 2008 |
| 06:20.38 | robboplus | it's so interesting, the culture, architecture and people there |
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| 06:21.16 | robboplus | this might be a bit offtopic here though :) |
| 06:21.38 | robboplus | how do you write "debian" in chinese? |
| 06:21.39 | dalias | as long as it's not interrupting anyone else's support requests... |
| 06:21.51 | dalias | (and hey, it's less OT than the gnome flames earlier) |
| 06:21.55 | robboplus | dalias he he |
| 06:22.13 | robboplus | btw i just love that in debian you can do some OT when it's quiet - very sinsible rules |
| 06:22.33 | slapfaceware | hey |
| 06:22.34 | robboplus | because you can't really talk about tech stuff 24/7 and socialising is very important imho |
| 06:22.37 | slapfaceware | they can see my chinese typing now |
| 06:22.46 | dalias | cool |
| 06:22.50 | robboplus | slapfaceware please type "debian" in chinese |
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| 06:22.59 | nvz | robboplus: its not really a rule, being OT is always bad especially in a channel this big.. its just like you are saying you can get away with it when its not inturrupting |
| 06:23.00 | dalias | so now find someone to port the pidgin QQ support to bitlbee ! :) :) |
| 06:23.01 | robboplus | or linux too if you will |
| 06:23.07 | slapfaceware | thanks dalias |
| 06:23.21 | robboplus | nvz i have seen lots of people doing OT, especially on friday :) |
| 06:23.28 | Mordbrann | bah; v4l2 ioctls seem broken with AMD64 kernels |
| 06:23.29 | slapfaceware | and , what's your msn, |
| 06:23.32 | Gm4n | do I want to install libgd2-xpm or libgd2-noxpm? |
| 06:23.35 | nvz | robboplus: yeah, I do it a lot myself :P |
| 06:23.35 | robboplus | nvz and there are never kicks as long as no one needs help with debian |
| 06:23.43 | slapfaceware | teng |
| 06:24.10 | nvz | robboplus: I wouldn't be able to support debian if it wasn't a little loose feeling in here |
| 06:24.28 | jetscreamer | the default is noxpm but i always figure wtf, Gm4n |
| 06:24.45 | Gm4n | jetscreamer: at the risk of asking a VERY newbie question, what's the difference? |
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| 06:24.59 | nvz | robboplus: #debian-offtopic is suppose to address this.. but I sit in there all the time too.. but not many people hang out in there, and even though I know most of them from being here so many years.. they are always talking about shit I have no clue or interest of.. like baseball or something.. heh |
| 06:25.10 | jetscreamer | one supports the .xpm image format afaik.... |
| 06:25.17 | dalias | haha |
| 06:25.24 | valdyn | Gm4n: go with the default.. |
| 06:25.25 | robboplus | nvz that's exactly what i'm saying... nothing like doing OT 24/7 and trolling.. just SOME interesting chats from time to time |
| 06:25.33 | jetscreamer | other than that, no idea... |
| 06:27.29 | valdyn | !default |
| 06:27.31 | dpkg | If you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
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| 06:27.40 | robboplus | nvz and the idea of debian-offtopic sounds nice but... it's like gathering people especially for offtopic.. it never works that way |
| 06:27.43 | jeffrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.02 | valdyn | jeffrin: that's not a straightforward procedure. |
| 06:28.10 | nvz | robboplus: yeah well several of the regulars and I are in there frequently.. |
| 06:28.15 | dalias | robboplus, i think the better use of debian-offtopic is if you have an interesting OT topic going on, but ppl are trying to get help and it's disruptive.... |
| 06:28.25 | valdyn | jeffrin: there's plenty threading tutorials though - google |
| 06:28.25 | dalias | ...then ppl who want to continue it can move to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:28.29 | nvz | robboplus: I for one try to remain connected to at least freenode and that channel and this one all the time |
| 06:28.40 | robboplus | well yes but that's mostly for people who know each other for a little while.. the rest feels quite lonely in there i believe |
| 06:28.49 | jetscreamer | i don't think i've ever /joined #debian-offtopic |
| 06:28.54 | jeffrin | valdyn : can you tell me some key points to remember |
| 06:29.08 | nvz | robboplus: I use this channel like fuckin therapy.. heh.. when my life gets crazy I come in here to solve simple problems and it makes me feel in control again :P |
| 06:29.43 | robboplus | dalias i agree that too much OT is bad and that people who start feeling loosy should THEN move to -offtopic but there is nothing wrong if they just want to chit chat for a little while, especially when the channel is not busy |
| 06:29.53 | dalias | yeah |
| 06:30.12 | robboplus | nvz he he the other GREAT chan is #bash |
| 06:30.16 | nvz | robboplus: I honestly think I'd have lost it if I hadn't found not only debian but this support channel.. its given me something to focus on when I really need it |
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| 06:30.33 | jetscreamer | robboplus: say hi to mwilson and greycat for me |
| 06:30.39 | robboplus | nvz totally agreed |
| 06:30.47 | robboplus | jetscreamer oh i sure will :) |
| 06:31.01 | robboplus | even though i haven't seen mw for a while |
| 06:31.24 | nvz | robboplus: I came to debian and freenode fairly apt as to solving my own issues.. I hang out here just to be able to solve issues for other people.. not because I am nice, because I have to solve problems.. its what I am built to do.. I will go crazy if I either don't have problems or don't have ones I can solve |
| 06:31.33 | robboplus | jetscreamer oh doh... |
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| 06:31.59 | Gm4n | ok, I just installed libgd2-noxpm and libgd2-noxpm-dev, and I'm trying to configure webalizer "xtended", but it's saying gd library not found |
| 06:32.07 | robboplus | nvz well i caught myself creating problems just to solve them here for fun lol |
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| 06:32.10 | robboplus | as it's so nice to chat in debian |
| 06:32.31 | valdyn | Gm4n: that xtend thing is written in which language? |
| 06:32.33 | robboplus | it's really educative mood in here, just like it should be |
| 06:32.41 | Gm4n | valdyn: it's c |
| 06:32.47 | Gm4n | it's essentially a continuation of webalizer |
| 06:32.54 | nvz | robboplus: well you must have blinders on or havent been here long |
| 06:33.10 | robboplus | nvz hrhm? |
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| 06:33.23 | nvz | robboplus: people can be shunned around here, and I've done it myself |
| 06:33.34 | robboplus | nvz it all depends |
| 06:33.49 | nvz | robboplus: you get the sort of support overload you were talking about.. and it usually starts with a clubie saying something the wrong way.. |
| 06:33.59 | liable | i thought we were a bastion of respectabilty |
| 06:34.09 | robboplus | oh liable is here and watching :) |
| 06:34.24 | epsilon | is there any plan to integrate truecrypt(.org) in debian? |
| 06:34.32 | liable | always watching :) |
| 06:34.44 | nvz | he's liable to be watching at any time :P |
| 06:34.55 | robboplus | nvz when i ask for help i usually get several people on it so it's very unlikely that the advice is wrong or not worth writing down |
| 06:34.57 | liable | except.. when i'm not |
| 06:35.05 | robboplus | ..which is unlikely :) |
| 06:35.07 | Gm4n | valdyn: any ideas? I"m sorta desperate =( |
| 06:35.36 | robboplus | i ONCE got a wrong advice though.. cost me 2 hours of downtime... |
| 06:35.40 | liable | i'm so bored i might walk to the shop |
| 06:35.49 | nvz | robboplus: I very rarely get help in here when I have an issue.. and I think its just cause people know me and think I should figure it out :P |
| 06:35.55 | robboplus | why walk if you can irc :) |
| 06:36.07 | jetscreamer | i'm so bored i might have to go into a phone booth...... |
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| 06:36.09 | liable | DCC me a pack of smokes |
| 06:36.21 | jetlaw | <--superhero |
| 06:36.25 | Gm4n | jetlaw: if you're that bored, wanna help me get webalizer to compile? |
| 06:36.28 | Gm4n | ;) |
| 06:36.30 | liable | jetlaw: donning the superhero cape? |
| 06:36.35 | liable | doh |
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| 06:36.37 | liable | too slow |
| 06:36.42 | robboplus | nvz well basically most geeks can figure anything out.. it's just cooler to chat about that, sometimes others gain too educating themselves while you are on it |
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| 06:36.54 | jetlaw | Gm4n: i can't compile my way out of a wet paper bag |
| 06:37.02 | jetlaw | well ok a dry paper bag |
| 06:37.13 | Gm4n | =( |
| 06:37.16 | Tobsn | hmm whats a easy maintanable mailserver? ... i need one just to forward mails... |
| 06:37.16 | robboplus | jetlaw lol |
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| 06:37.28 | nvz | robboplus: right.. I often support issues I know damn well I dont have a fuckin clue about.. heh.. usually wait to see if someone who knows answers first, and if not I take the oppertunity to figure it out and learn it myself |
| 06:37.30 | Gm4n | Tobsn: I've heard good things about postfix |
| 06:38.03 | robboplus | nvz that's what i try as well... helping others IS helping yourself basically.. wish more people got that |
| 06:38.22 | geo-rge | Gm4n: build? why? |
| 06:38.31 | Gm4n | well, it won't compile |
| 06:38.48 | Gm4n | I want to run webalizer xtended (essentially a continuation of the webalizer project) |
| 06:39.02 | nvz | robboplus: yeah when you start getting all religously idealistic like that you have to ask yourself if you got a problem.. heh |
| 06:39.18 | geo-rge | Gm4n: there's no build of it in debian? howbout backports.org? |
| 06:39.26 | Gm4n | how do I check that? |
| 06:39.34 | Gm4n | my sources.list is very boring ;) |
| 06:39.44 | geo-rge | packages.debian.org backports.org |
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| 06:40.58 | geo-rge | if it comes to building, I have certain rules for helping... you have to come across with specific info -quickly-... like messages, versions, etc |
| 06:41.15 | Gm4n | ok |
| 06:41.25 | Gm4n | I'll be blazing fast ;) |
| 06:41.25 | geo-rge | I don't mind if you're in the process of learning as long as you show progress in that learning as we go |
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| 06:41.36 | Gm4n | I'm undoubtedly in the process of learning for thi |
| 06:41.36 | Gm4n | *this |
| 06:41.49 | Gm4n | I installed the webalizer package with aptitude |
| 06:41.54 | geo-rge | and? |
| 06:41.59 | Gm4n | figuring I could compile webalizer extended and replace the webalizer install with it |
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| 06:42.15 | Gm4n | but still get a good configuratioin from the aptitude installation |
| 06:42.30 | Gm4n | I found this page: http://www.patrickfrei.ch/webalizer/rb19/INSTALL |
| 06:42.40 | Gm4n | (the webalizer xtended install docs) |
| 06:42.45 | Gm4n | and it says to install certain things |
| 06:43.01 | geo-rge | like? |
| 06:43.07 | Gm4n | the ones I had problems with was the page said to install libgd2 and libgd2-dev, but I couldn't get those |
| 06:43.25 | Gm4n | so I installed libgd2-noxpm and libgd2-noxpm-dev |
| 06:43.29 | geo-rge | !info libgd2 |
| 06:44.07 | geo-rge | !info libgd2-noxpm |
| 06:44.11 | dpkg | libgd2-noxpm: (GD Graphics Library version 2 (without XPM support)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.0.35.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 310 kB, Installed size: 708 kB |
| 06:44.21 | Gm4n | there's also a libgd2-xpm |
| 06:44.26 | Gm4n | should I try installing that instead? |
| 06:44.31 | mbroeker | Gm4n, i think you can try awstats if your webalizer config fails. i prefer awstats over webalizer... |
| 06:44.44 | Gm4n | mbroeker: but webalizer xtended has support for mod_logio |
| 06:45.12 | mbroeker | mod_logio? |
| 06:45.16 | mbroeker | whats that ? |
| 06:45.26 | Gm4n | a module that accounts for traffic |
| 06:45.30 | Gm4n | very accurately |
| 06:45.40 | mbroeker | i see. |
| 06:45.40 | Gm4n | counts the actual packets, including TCP overhead and such |
| 06:46.05 | geo-rge | !info libgd2-xpm |
| 06:46.05 | dpkg | libgd2-xpm: (GD Graphics Library version 2), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.0.35.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 311 kB, Installed size: 712 kB |
| 06:46.29 | geo-rge | Gm4n: want xpm support? which debian you got? |
| 06:46.34 | Gm4n | debian etch |
| 06:46.47 | geo-rge | !info libgd2-xpm etch |
| 06:46.48 | Gm4n | sarge "image" from hoster, then upgraded straight to sarge |
| 06:46.49 | dpkg | libgd2-xpm: (GD Graphics Library version 2), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.0.33-5.2 (etch), Packaged size: 195 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 06:47.20 | geo-rge | it's just a little behind sid |
| 06:47.52 | Gm4n | well, I'm not too worried about the version |
| 06:48.03 | Gm4n | should I try and install libgd2-xpm? |
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| 06:48.09 | geo-rge | Gm4n: want xpm support? |
| 06:48.15 | Gm4n | I couldn't care less |
| 06:48.24 | Gm4n | I want webalizer xtended to work |
| 06:48.35 | geo-rge | ok... let's put it in. yes, install it, and the -dev counterpart |
| 06:49.36 | geo-rge | what else did it need? |
| 06:50.01 | Gm4n | wow |
| 06:50.02 | mbroeker | anyway is quake wars in testing ... |
| 06:50.02 | Gm4n | bingo |
| 06:50.03 | Gm4n | that was it |
| 06:50.15 | Gm4n | turns out libgd2-xpm was already installed from something else |
| 06:50.21 | Gm4n | all it needed was -dev, and it configured |
| 06:50.49 | geo-rge | any speculation on why that is? |
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| 06:51.09 | Gm4n | well, it said it needed libgd2 and libgd2-dev |
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| 06:51.21 | Gm4n | it probably found libgd2-xpm, looked for the matching -dev package, and failed |
| 06:51.22 | geo-rge | why are they separate? |
| 06:51.39 | Gm4n | you want guesses? |
| 06:51.44 | geo-rge | sure :) |
| 06:51.47 | geo-rge | because |
| 06:51.55 | geo-rge | I want you to get used to thinking this way |
| 06:52.15 | Meaw | hello, I just installed lenny.. trying to list devices using " lspci " but says command not found |
| 06:52.29 | Meaw | also can't find it when i do apt-cache search lspci |
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| 06:52.46 | Gm4n | I'm guessing it's because libgd2-xpm is a precompiled thing, to be linked against, whereas libgd2-xpm-dev has sources and such so you can statically compile your binaries, instead of linking against other binaries |
| 06:52.47 | Meaw | any thoughts? |
| 06:52.52 | Gm4n | (please don't shoot me) |
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| 06:54.13 | Meaw | :/ |
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| 06:54.28 | geo-rge | that's very close... the -dev part is what you need to compile against that lib, the not -dev part is what you need to run things already linked against that lib |
| 06:54.38 | geo-rge | so the -dev part has header files |
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| 06:54.43 | Gm4n | ah, ok =) |
| 06:54.46 | geo-rge | includes |
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| 06:55.08 | Gm4n | does -dev also include the compiled libraries without headers? |
| 06:55.14 | geo-rge | but wait, we still are missing something... if this is the case, then how the heck did they do it? |
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| 06:55.40 | geo-rge | -dev might have stub libs |
| 06:55.46 | Telek | Question: Where are apt-get -b source <files> buildroots placed? |
| 06:55.50 | geo-rge | the headers are text files |
| 06:55.53 | Gm4n | stub libs? what's that? |
| 06:57.06 | geo-rge | I'm not exactly sure... but I think it's like when you have these 7 wires that are on a socket, you can build another socket to connect to it, and as long as you put the right signal on the right wire, you can use what the socket connects to |
| 06:57.44 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 06:57.48 | Gm4n | that sorta makes sense |
| 06:58.02 | Gm4n | [00:55] <geo-rge> but wait, we still are missing something... if this is the case, then how the heck did they do it? <--- what are we still missing? |
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| 06:59.21 | psykon | why do the repositories have mit-scheme-doc but not mit-scheme? |
| 06:59.57 | gary4gar | how to automate sending of a command to a remote host over SSH? |
| 07:00.28 | geo-rge | the basic deal is this: when they make these TWO packages, they build the lib ONCE and split the result |
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| 07:00.41 | Gm4n | oh |
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| 07:00.53 | Gm4n | they put the compiled stuff in normal, and just the headers in -dev? |
| 07:02.15 | dalias | wow you can do some pretty cool stuff with fontconfig |
| 07:02.35 | dalias | i made rules to make it forbid a certain font from ever getting smaller than 13px |
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| 07:04.29 | Meaw | guys.. im trying to list devices using lspci |
| 07:04.33 | Meaw | but says command not found. |
| 07:04.42 | liable | pciutils |
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| 07:05.00 | mbroeker | Meaw, try /sbin/lspci or install the pciutils |
| 07:05.39 | Meaw | ty |
| 07:05.46 | mbroeker | well its in /bin/lspci anyway... |
| 07:06.05 | Meaw | it works after i installed the pciutils |
| 07:06.07 | Meaw | thanks |
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| 07:06.33 | litage|w | on a new Etch installation, /var/log/boot is not being written to. i've discovered that /etc/init.d/bootlogd is being called with the "stop" arg when the machine boots, despite the init-script having these startup links. any ideas why "stop" is being passed?: http://rafb.net/p/ph8Al846.html |
| 07:08.00 | mbroeker | litage|w, there is a config file in /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 07:08.36 | litage|w | mbroeker: yeah, i've set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 07:10.34 | mbroeker | i think that the bootlogd script logs the boot-process. that means it logs the first 20 seconds of a day... |
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| 07:11.34 | mbroeker | but never used it. no expierences with it... |
| 07:11.51 | liable | litage|w: bash -x /etc/rcS.d/S05bootlogd |
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| 07:13.09 | deconvolution | hi, after upgrade network-manager, i got such error "Starting network connection manager: NetworkManagerinvoke-rc.d: initscript network-manager, action "start" failed." anyone has similar message? |
| 07:13.11 | xlotlu | any way to control the sys-v links for a package throughout upgrades when the postinst does update-rc.d? |
| 07:13.23 | liable | !services |
| 07:13.24 | dpkg | i heard services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 07:13.24 | spheard | anyone else been getting spam in the mailing lists? |
| 07:13.41 | liable | deconvolution: check bts |
| 07:13.50 | litage|w | liable: i'm not sure what that's trying to accomplish, but /etc/rcS.d/S05bootlogd exists and is executable |
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| 07:14.15 | litage|w | liable: the problem is that when booting, /etc/init.d/bootlogd is being called with the arg "stop" rather than "start" |
| 07:14.32 | deconvolution | liable: sorry, what does bts stands for? |
| 07:14.43 | liable | deconvolution: bugs.debian.org |
| 07:15.30 | liable | litage|w: then it sounds like a test in the start script is failing. which is why i suggested bash -x |
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| 07:16.48 | litage|w | liable: a test in which start script is failing? |
| 07:17.38 | liable | litage|w: if you look at the init script it has quite a few tests in it |
| 07:17.56 | litage|w | liable: yeah, but /etc/init.d/bootlogd is behaving as expected. on boot, it's being told to "stop", so it does what's necessary to stop the boot logger |
| 07:18.16 | litage|w | liable: what's happening that's not expected is /etc/init.d/bootlogd being told to "stop" rather than "start" |
| 07:18.19 | liable | litage|w: use ^s at boot to stop the boot and scroll to where it starts and see if it says why it fails |
| 07:18.20 | Bogus8 | is there a command that can check to see if a file is older than another or a date |
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| 07:19.04 | litage|w | liable: after hitting CTRL-s and scrolling around, what will resume the boot? enter? |
| 07:19.13 | liable | litage|w: there is a start and stop script in rcS, looks like the start is failing, but the stop is running |
| 07:19.20 | liable | litage|w: ^q |
| 07:19.38 | litage|w | liable: thanks. rebooting and checking the console.. |
| 07:19.48 | litage|w | Bogus8: man test |
| 07:19.53 | Bogus8 | litage|w: thanks |
| 07:19.56 | litage|w | Bogus8: np |
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| 07:21.21 | liable | litage|w: you might want to set x at the top of the script to |
| 07:22.28 | litage|w | liable: i don't think ``set -x'' at the beginning of /etc/init.d/bootlogd will help, because by the time the boot sequence executes /etc/init.d/bootlogd , "stop" has already been passed as an arg |
| 07:23.14 | liable | litage|w: you realise there are two links to it in rcS dont you? |
| 07:23.55 | litage|w | liable: nope, only one: http://rafb.net/p/ph8Al846.html |
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| 07:25.47 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:27.02 | Draicone | I'm installing debian 4.0 on an old server at the moment, it's downloading some files (I think it's up to setting up the package manager) and it says there's 3 hours remaining (must be my really slow DSL). Is there a way to skip ahead and install packages later? |
| 07:27.06 | piyush | is there any good IDE for GCC? |
| 07:27.43 | Draicone | Anjuta? |
| 07:28.16 | litage|w | Draicone: not to my knowledge. i suggest using the netinst (network installer), which allows you to install the bare minimum, and then add packages after the install is complete |
| 07:28.34 | Draicone | piyush: anjuta.sourceforge.net << anjuta is pretty good |
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| 07:28.43 | Draicone | litage|w: And where do I get the netinst from? |
| 07:28.53 | Draicone | http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst ? |
| 07:29.04 | litage|w | Draicone: most primary and secondary Debian mirrors |
| 07:29.13 | piyush | draicone, thanks |
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| 07:29.26 | Draicone | I don't suppose I can restart the installation and choose not to install packages somewhere along the line? |
| 07:29.33 | litage|w | Draicone: yup, i always use the minimal CD |
| 07:30.15 | Draicone | It's 180mb, that'll take four hours to download on my link =( |
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| 07:30.28 | Draicone | Is there an option somewhere in the standard installer to install packages later? |
| 07:30.49 | litage|w | Draicone: you need a certain collection of packages for the barest of installations |
| 07:31.09 | litage|w | Draicone: iirc, the last time i did a bare minimum install, 250-300MB were used |
| 07:31.16 | litage|w | Draicone: on the FS |
| 07:31.35 | Draicone | Aren't those packages on the CD? |
| 07:31.45 | Draicone | (I've got the standard install disc, AFAIK) |
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| 07:33.07 | Tommy- | hi. What is a good site to look for new/old deb apps and games and whatnot. Like getdeb.net but larger. Besides synaptic.. |
| 07:33.11 | litage|w | Draicone: then just chose not to install from an internet mirror |
| 07:33.25 | litage|w | Draicone: simply skip that section of the installer, where you choose an internet mirror |
| 07:33.32 | Draicone | ... I think I missed that option somewhere along the line =S |
| 07:33.52 | Draicone | Can I safely crash the server and reboot? |
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| 07:34.27 | litage|w | Draicone: if you run the installer with the "expert" argument, you can step through each section of the installation one at a time |
| 07:34.50 | litage|w | Draicone: yes, you can safely reboot the box part-way through the installer. you'll have to setup your partitions and other stuff again though |
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| 07:37.07 | Dark_Rain | morning all |
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| 07:37.55 | Gm4n | it's morning? |
| 07:37.58 | Gm4n | uhoh, I should go to bed |
| 07:38.01 | phooka | w;37am |
| 07:38.10 | phooka | 2;37am ct |
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| 07:40.39 | Telek | gm4n Yes it is :P |
| 07:41.04 | Dark_Rain | 10:40 EET |
| 07:41.11 | Dark_Rain | GMT +2 |
| 07:41.13 | Dark_Rain | :P |
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| 07:47.46 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 07:47.59 | Telek | Mornin |
| 07:48.02 | solemnwarning | Is there a graphical program for reading my mail in /var/mail? |
| 07:48.48 | liable | thunderbird can do that |
| 07:48.54 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
| 07:49.24 | litage|w | liable: i scrolled through the console while booting, but didn't see anything along the lines of "starting boot logger" |
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| 07:57.28 | Trentster | hey all, I have a kernel panic after a power failure, when the machine is coming back up, error "error no 6 mounting ext 3 flag default while retrying without the options flag,mount error 6 while retrying read-only without any flags, mount error mounting ext3, pivot_root (/sysroot, /sysroot/initrd) failed:2," then finally " kernel failed, no init found" any ideas how to go about troubleshooting. |
| 07:57.34 | _E-bola | Do anybody know how you can install debian etch on new hp servers with embedded sata raid controllers. Like the dl 320 g5 for example |
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| 07:57.44 | _E-bola | Debian etch see's the single disks, instaid of the raid |
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| 07:58.35 | Telek | Are you sure it supports the raid functionality? |
| 07:58.46 | _E-bola | Etch? No idea |
| 07:58.53 | _E-bola | but there are drivers for suse and rhel on hp's site |
| 07:59.00 | liable | Trentster: boot a rescue disk, chroot in and remake the initrd |
| 07:59.25 | Trentster | liable, how do I go about this? |
| 07:59.37 | Telek | Binary, or source? |
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| 08:00.18 | liable | Trentster: boot with a rescue disk, mount your /, chroot into it, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-foo |
| 08:00.36 | liable | Trentster: the etch cd has a rescue option |
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| 08:00.54 | Trentster | liable, thanks |
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| 08:01.25 | liable | Trentster: you would be wise to do a fsck before mounting / |
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| 08:01.56 | Telek | _E-bola: Having just googled it it looks to be an INTEL AHCI SATA Raid controller. |
| 08:02.10 | _E-bola | Telek: that sounds a bout right |
| 08:02.12 | Telek | Possibly the bios settings are not configured for RAID? |
| 08:02.16 | _E-bola | But shouldnt a stock etch kernel support that? |
| 08:02.23 | liable | fakeraid ? |
| 08:02.30 | _E-bola | Telek: the raid-1 is configured and shown as functioning when bios boots |
| 08:02.42 | Telek | _E-Bola: Ahh. |
| 08:02.45 | liable | !raid |
| 08:02.45 | dpkg | it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 08:02.53 | Trentster | liable, thanks, do i run a "fsck" check once booted off rescue cd? |
| 08:02.53 | liable | !fakeraid |
| 08:02.53 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a bios ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. <dmraid> |
| 08:03.00 | liable | Trentster: yep |
| 08:03.13 | liable | bah, wheres the damn sata fakeraid page |
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| 08:03.40 | _E-bola | liable: i prefer to use the "wannabe" hardware raid |
| 08:03.46 | _E-bola | even though the controller is crap as u point out |
| 08:04.03 | _E-bola | But its easier for non linux ppl to see that a drive is dead, if i use the hw raid |
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| 08:04.22 | liable | http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
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| 08:05.31 | Bogus8 | how do you escape a ` when trying to put the results of a command using the arguement of another command? like echo `stat `ls /foo/foo*` -nt /foo/foobar` |
| 08:06.27 | Telek | _E-bola: Dunno if this'll help: http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/390110-0-0-0-121.html |
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| 08:06.51 | nasas | hi pewople |
| 08:06.53 | _E-bola | Telejk: browsing the same pages as we speak |
| 08:06.58 | Telek | _E-bola: http://h20293.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T8570 Page containing the utilities including array setup |
| 08:07.04 | _E-bola | so far ive found debian versions of their utilities |
| 08:07.09 | _E-bola | but not their drivers |
| 08:07.19 | Jonah_ | hi guys, are there any wireless pci cards that i should buy that work on linux distros so no setup needed etc? i want one for pc but don't want to have to try and get it working |
| 08:07.20 | nasas | how i can know a init script iptales? |
| 08:07.21 | Telek | The question is: Are there drivers? |
| 08:07.24 | nasas | i need change a rules |
| 08:07.32 | Telek | It may be managed by those utilities. |
| 08:07.43 | _E-bola | Telek: there are drivers for suse and rhel |
| 08:08.39 | _E-bola | but lets asume the controller really is a generic INTEL AHCI SATA Raid controller |
| 08:08.54 | _E-bola | cant you makie Debian etch utilise the builtin bios raid? |
| 08:08.54 | cydork | Bogus8: use $() it's much more friendly when it comes to nesting. |
| 08:09.15 | Bogus8 | cydork: I'll give it a go... thanks |
| 08:09.19 | Telek | _E-bola: You would assume so. |
| 08:09.33 | _E-bola | I've had this problem before |
| 08:09.39 | _E-bola | i had to resort to software raid back then |
| 08:09.47 | Bogus8 | cydork: so instead of ` I use $() |
| 08:09.49 | _E-bola | but i would really prefer to use the onboard builtin one instaid |
| 08:10.15 | liable | http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html |
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| 08:11.11 | _E-bola | liable: i know.. but as i said i got my reasons for preferring to try and use the onboard raid |
| 08:11.32 | liable | _E-bola: i dont think you can. |
| 08:11.37 | nasas | how i can search "hello text" string in all my HDD? |
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| 08:11.52 | _E-bola | Well i can extract the driver from the rhel or suse rpm's |
| 08:11.59 | _E-bola | but how would i utilize it when isntalling etch? |
| 08:12.03 | _E-bola | or "add" it later |
| 08:12.09 | _E-bola | is that even possible? |
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| 08:12.48 | cydork | Bogus8: yes, you can nest it like $(stat $(ls /whatever) whatever) |
| 08:13.03 | Bogus8 | cool... now just go to figure out how to use stat |
| 08:13.08 | Telek | Depends on the kernel versions _E-bola. |
| 08:13.11 | Eulex | _E-bola, note that compiled kernel modules will _only_ work with the kernel they was compiled against. |
| 08:13.35 | Telek | And they're usually not 'vanilla' :( |
| 08:13.48 | Telek | One of my longstanding gripes with linux :l |
| 08:14.24 | _E-bola | hmm true... |
| 08:14.29 | Telek | I've found some more info on it, but it doesn't seem to indicate there being a non-SATA driver to utilize the hardware raid. |
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| 08:18.39 | shwouchk | hi |
| 08:19.12 | nvz | not yet, but we're working on it |
| 08:19.12 | Telek | _E-Bola: Oho! There's mention of Adaptec supporting it in Raid-0 and Raid-1 modes under linux. |
| 08:19.18 | Telek | I don't know what that means though |
| 08:19.29 | _E-bola | i dont think this is an adaptec controller |
| 08:19.33 | _E-bola | its definately made by intel |
| 08:19.44 | shwouchk | what is the default encoding/locale debian installs with? (I had some files which had hebrew names, and after the install all the names got screwed) |
| 08:20.08 | nvz | shwouchk: debian does no such thing |
| 08:20.33 | shwouchk | nvz: well, what other explanation can you offer? |
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| 08:21.02 | nvz | shwouchk: uh you didn't read the install guide or any of the words on the screen during install |
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| 08:21.12 | nvz | shwouchk: debian doesn nothing without you telling it to |
| 08:21.31 | nvz | even the stuff it does automatically you must first tell it to do automatically |
| 08:21.41 | shwouchk | nvz: oh yes I did. |
| 08:21.59 | shwouchk | nvz: I *always* read what comes on screen. |
| 08:22.21 | shwouchk | and I am pretty certain I also read th guide, although it was a while ago |
| 08:22.27 | nvz | then you couldn't have missed the first few screens where you setup that locale stuff |
| 08:22.32 | _E-bola | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:22.37 | _E-bola | uhh there's a news bulleting about it |
| 08:23.02 | _E-bola | its beta supported in the lenny installer :) |
| 08:23.16 | shwouchk | nvz: yes, and I set it up to US, not suspecting it would mess up with filenames on another drive if I mount it |
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| 08:23.50 | _E-bola | Hmm i wonder if i can somehow use the beta lenny installer for etch... |
| 08:23.59 | _E-bola | Can you "downgrade" from lenny to etch? |
| 08:24.00 | shwouchk | _E-bola: was that for me? |
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| 08:24.02 | Telek | http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 08:24.06 | _E-bola | shwouchk: no |
| 08:24.09 | shwouchk | ah |
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| 08:24.25 | nvz | shwouchk: well I know nothing about hebrew and little about locale as I am an ignorant american... heh.. however the locale should not touch your files it should only effect the way you see the names, thus if you changed the locale you would see them the way you expect |
| 08:25.17 | shwouchk | nvz: well, after I removed the drive and checked in another machine, the filenames were all still screwed |
| 08:25.52 | nvz | shwouchk: hmm, did you actually modify the files? |
| 08:26.40 | shwouchk | I am now thinking how to convert a filename which looks like that: ÃÂéÃÂààÃÂàÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂ.mp3 |
| 08:26.58 | nvz | heh |
| 08:27.14 | shwouchk | nvz: well no, since they were all mp3s |
| 08:27.29 | nvz | well with mp3s its pretty easy I would think as you can get a program that will read the tag info and rename them |
| 08:27.39 | shwouchk | nvz: however it was mounted as a samba share |
| 08:27.44 | nvz | though if the tag info is in hebrew too.. heh |
| 08:27.54 | nvz | ah |
| 08:27.54 | slapfaceware | im using 3.1, how do i install squirrelmail |
| 08:28.04 | shwouchk | and my sister connected to it with itunes, which I guess screwed it up |
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| 08:28.23 | nvz | shwouchk: itunes runs on linux? |
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| 08:28.54 | Internat | so whats the best way to lock down a users shell account so that they cant do much.. |
| 08:28.55 | shwouchk | nvz: what I am afraid of is that the tags are bad - I was lazy and didn't do much work tagging them... |
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| 08:29.10 | shwouchk | Internat: change their pass? |
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| 08:29.33 | Internat | i didnt mean like that, i mean more in so i can give them an account, and they can run a few things, and thats about it |
| 08:29.44 | shwouchk | nvz: no.. she mounted it as a samba share on a windows PC, before I told her to use rythmbox on her ubuntu laptop |
| 08:29.48 | nvz | shwouchk: well there are other ways.. amarok can tag tracks using "music brains" it I guess hashes the mp3 and checks an online database to find out what song it is.. |
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| 08:30.41 | kirushik | "debhelper sets channel limit to 777" My first idea was something about permissions... |
| 08:30.43 | shwouchk | nvz: yes, but I am thinking that it prolly won't have much of a DB for hebrew stuff... I guess Ill try it if it's the only option. |
| 08:30.50 | shwouchk | heh |
| 08:31.44 | nvz | shwouchk: yeah, its worth a shot I guess.. though I don't see how it could have perminantly changed the files unless you copied them or something under the wrong locale |
| 08:31.52 | shwouchk | nvz: so you think that actually reconverting the files is not really a possibility? |
| 08:32.25 | Telek | _E-bola: The official intel stuff is 2.4 only and doesn't look all that detailed to begin with. |
| 08:32.31 | nvz | shwouchk: as long as you didn't modify them or copy them in any way they should still be viewed properly under the right system setup |
| 08:32.31 | slapfaceware | is debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 08:32.37 | shwouchk | nvz: I am thinking itunes messed with the id3 tags and 'resaved' the files, and when they got resaved, these names popped |
| 08:32.37 | nvz | slapfaceware: yes |
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| 08:32.57 | nvz | shwouchk: possibly |
| 08:33.08 | Telek | _E-Bola: Ooops, nevermind, it was the Intel Software Raid support :) |
| 08:33.09 | shwouchk | nvz: I did copy them cause I had to use the drive in another machine |
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| 08:33.21 | shwouchk | they aren't on the debian box anymore |
| 08:33.25 | nvz | shwouchk: so let me get this straight these files were on a linux box, being shared via samba and you ran itunes on them? |
| 08:33.48 | shwouchk | nvz: my sister did unfortunaltely... |
| 08:34.19 | _E-bola | Telek: im downloading the daily lenny installer |
| 08:34.20 | shwouchk | It also added it's own meta shit dirs which is annoying as hell |
| 08:34.25 | nvz | shwouchk: well yeah it seems like you munged the filenames up pretty bad :P |
| 08:34.27 | _E-bola | that should work |
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| 08:34.44 | _E-bola | i wonder how lenny is compared to etch, i got this idea that testing is more unstable at the beginning of its life cycle |
| 08:34.45 | _E-bola | hehe |
| 08:34.47 | shwouchk | nvz: windows didn't even want to copy the files |
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| 08:35.07 | nvz | shwouchk: I'd see first if the tag info is any good, cause there are programs in debian that will rename mp3s based on tag info.. and if not might wanna try that music brains thing |
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| 08:35.48 | Telek | _E-bola: Yep, it could bork your Raid-1 install, of course then again you can just image the second drive, right? ;p |
| 08:35.50 | eusto | is there any chance for a jdk6 package in stable? |
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| 08:36.02 | _E-bola | Telek ? |
| 08:36.08 | dason | i want to scan a doc with my hp380 aio and use efax to fax it. the scan program i have now is kooka which does not support tiff. which scan program would do it? |
| 08:36.10 | Telek | Does Debian have an openjdk package yet? |
| 08:36.12 | SlayerXP | eusto: I'll give you a 50/50 chance. |
| 08:36.15 | _E-bola | i havent installed anything yet |
| 08:36.20 | eusto | :)) |
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| 08:36.48 | Telek | _E-bola: I know, I was just saying that's the worst that could happen, and since it's Raid-1 you could just copy the first drive over :P |
| 08:36.54 | eusto | i forgot the "anytime soon" part |
| 08:36.58 | shwouchk | nvz: damn, I can't even get to the files in a console |
| 08:37.07 | nvz | heh |
| 08:37.19 | nvz | shwouchk: midnight commander might help |
| 08:37.28 | nvz | !info mc |
| 08:37.37 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 2066 kB, Installed size: 5344 kB |
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| 08:38.22 | shwouchk | nvz: yeah I know mc... I just used konq though |
| 08:38.24 | nvz | shwouchk: I don't like it really.. but I used to use it when I'd have files that were a pita to deal with in the shell cause of their filenames |
| 08:38.36 | shwouchk | apparently I have the tags |
| 08:38.50 | shwouchk | though they are also gibberish |
| 08:38.56 | shwouchk | but a nicer gibberish |
| 08:39.18 | nvz | !info mp3rename etch |
| 08:39.22 | dpkg | mp3rename: (Rename mp3 files based on id3tags), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-9 (etch), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 08:39.40 | Ainslee | hi, what's it mean when i try to log into root and it comes up with bash 3.1 as the prompt? |
| 08:40.08 | xdr | is there a good way to restore /var/ if you accidently delted it? |
| 08:40.24 | nvz | Ainslee: sounds to me like it means you are using bash 3.1 |
| 08:40.31 | liable | heh |
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| 08:40.49 | Ainslee | server's been playing up, just wanted it to log me in as root so that i can restart the server |
| 08:40.59 | nvz | init 6 |
| 08:41.20 | nvz | Broadcast from root console, SYSTEM IS GOING DOWN NOW!! |
| 08:41.23 | Ainslee | ta |
| 08:41.31 | Ainslee | exit |
| 08:41.40 | nvz | ah!! no.. #debian is gonna reboot! |
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| 08:41.53 | shwouchk | nvz: thanks, Ill try that... after that Ill have to convert the names again but itll be easier :) |
| 08:42.05 | erpo | What is the difference between "buffers" and "cache" in the output of the vmstat or free commands? |
| 08:42.15 | erpo | I've tried searching google and I can't seem to get a straight answer. |
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| 08:42.24 | nvz | shwouchk: yeah the manpage for mp3rename is decent but a bit heafty... just cause it has so many damn options |
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| 08:42.51 | shwouchk | heh |
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| 08:43.12 | nvz | yow |
| 08:43.26 | Ainslee | i tried that, gave me a bash-3.1# init 6 |
| 08:43.26 | Ainslee | bash-3.1# |
| 08:43.33 | Ainslee | basically, nada |
| 08:43.41 | nvz | thats usually what happens |
| 08:44.00 | phooka | sexy |
| 08:44.02 | Ainslee | reading reading |
| 08:44.03 | phooka | do it again! |
| 08:44.04 | Ainslee | erk |
| 08:44.09 | Ainslee | reading reading |
| 08:44.15 | Ainslee | i am not having a good day :( |
| 08:44.41 | Ainslee | reading debian.org atm, seems that it's something they've come across, but init 6 seemed to work for them |
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| 08:45.14 | nvz | Ainslee: care to give any background info on the underlying issue as to why you are loggin in as root to reboot? |
| 08:45.26 | nvz | and what version of debian you are running.. |
| 08:45.33 | nvz | would help even more |
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| 08:45.57 | Ainslee | debian etch |
| 08:46.25 | nvz | Ainslee: are you sure the system is even fully booted, and not like booted init=/bin/sh or something? |
| 08:46.32 | shwouchk | that usually means some init scripts screwed up... what I would do if you have physical access is to hard reboot it after a double sync |
| 08:46.39 | Ainslee | i'm running it on a crappy old server, it decided to shut down last night, so when i got home from work this morning to try to reboot, it's rebooted, but with limited things running, can't seem to get screen, or my mail server up and running again |
| 08:46.47 | Ainslee | nvz: i'd say that's more likely |
| 08:46.53 | shwouchk | at least from my experience |
| 08:47.05 | nvz | Ainslee: sounds to me like init isnt even running |
| 08:47.10 | Ainslee | ok |
| 08:47.15 | shwouchk | Ainslee: tried rebooting again? |
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| 08:47.20 | nvz | Ainslee: which means you cant exactly do a proper shutdown |
| 08:47.29 | Ainslee | cool |
| 08:47.43 | nvz | Ainslee: remount the filesystems ro and turn it off with the powerswitch |
| 08:47.44 | Bogus8 | why doesn't this work? http://www.pastebin.ca/689833 |
| 08:47.49 | Ainslee | schallstrom: hadn't yet, i was just glad to be able to see some response from it before i decided to take my fist to it ;) |
| 08:48.00 | liable | it wouldnt be running if init wasnt |
| 08:48.12 | nvz | Ainslee: hah.. that won't help and you might hurt your fist |
| 08:48.31 | Ainslee | ok, so you reckon physical reboot? |
| 08:48.31 | nvz | liable: you never booted init=/bin/sh? |
| 08:48.45 | nvz | Ainslee: remount ro first to avoid filesystem corruption |
| 08:48.58 | liable | nvz: well, yeah, but it wouldnt be doing that itself |
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| 08:49.21 | nvz | liable: if you boot that way you can't do a init 6 or anything.. cause its not there |
| 08:49.51 | liable | you can still use shutdown |
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| 08:50.07 | shwouchk | not usually |
| 08:50.10 | Ainslee | shutdown doesn't work for me |
| 08:50.13 | nvz | liable: I agree its unlikely a user got a machine booted that way without knowing it. but thats what it sounds like with the funny bash prompt and no init 6 working |
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| 08:50.21 | Ainslee | would've gone for that option if it were |
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| 08:50.46 | Ainslee | what does remounting actually do? none of the googles are explanatory |
| 08:50.48 | shwouchk | sometimes a bad boot happens... something get's fucked up in the init script |
| 08:50.59 | shwouchk | Ainslee: save your filesystem |
| 08:51.01 | liable | how about its gone into maintenance mode with busybox? |
| 08:51.04 | shwouchk | from corruption |
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| 08:51.08 | Ainslee | ok |
| 08:51.15 | nvz | liable: the other situation I can think of is not likely either and its a lot worse of a scenario |
| 08:51.20 | eject_ck | can anybody help with cvs, I checked-out module and now need get older revision for 3 files. How I can do it? |
| 08:51.26 | nvz | I'm thinking along the same lines as what shwouchk is saying |
| 08:51.43 | Ainslee | thanks, will give this a go, if i'm not back soon, something has gone horribly, horribly wrong :) |
| 08:51.51 | liable | Ainslee: have you tried halt? |
| 08:51.53 | family | okay i need some help i see that debian isnt using mkisof any more and i have genisoimage |
| 08:51.56 | shwouchk | heh |
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| 08:52.10 | shwouchk | hmm |
| 08:52.30 | shwouchk | does debian stock kernel have alt+sysrq enabled? |
| 08:52.47 | nvz | I believe so.. I use it all the time.. |
| 08:53.00 | nvz | well not all the time.. but when shit is pissing me off I use a sysrq kill |
| 08:53.09 | shwouchk | heh |
| 08:53.25 | family | genisoimage -pad -l -r -J -v -V "$VOLUME_ID" -b $ELTORITO_BOOT_IMAGE -c $ELTORITO_BOOT_CATALOG <----this is the code but i know its wrong where mkisofs was i replaced with genisoimage |
| 08:53.30 | nvz | usually bittorent does this |
| 08:53.36 | shwouchk | I can happily say it has been a while since I last used it |
| 08:53.37 | _E-bola | Hmm lenny beta installer doesnt work either :( |
| 08:53.43 | Draicone | I've just installed debian 4 on an old server of mine, but when I boot it up it just says "GRUB " and never gets further. I think I might have screwed up the grub configuration during the install - I told it to put grub on /dev/sda1, I've got two scsi disks and the first partition on the first disk is mounted as root and flagged as bootable. What have I done wrong? |
| 08:53.44 | _E-bola | it just shopws me the 2 sata disks seperately |
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| 08:54.10 | shwouchk | Draicone: how long did you wait? |
| 08:54.58 | _E-bola | ahh i have to enable it |
| 08:55.25 | Telek | _E-bola: In the bios or in the installer CD? |
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| 08:57.09 | Ainslee | yep, that seems to have fixed it, thanks guys |
| 08:57.11 | Draicone | shwouchk: About half a minute or so? |
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| 08:57.31 | nvz | Ainslee: thank you, for choosing debian air.. fly again soon |
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| 08:58.18 | phooka | i have like 100,000k debian points |
| 08:58.26 | phooka | what do they get me? |
| 08:58.34 | shwouchk | Draicone: it could take longer... I had an old disk on which it took like 5 minutes... heard of people who had to wait like 30 minutes... it's not good but it happens... |
| 08:58.35 | _E-bola | Telek: in the installer cd |
| 08:58.39 | _E-bola | dmraid=true |
| 08:58.58 | nvz | !win phooka |
| 08:58.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, phooka! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 08:59.07 | Telek | _E-bola: Ahh neat. Good luck with that, I've got to go get a few hours of shuteye before school :) |
| 08:59.15 | eleftherios | I am on Lenny, the package network-manager replaced network-manager-gnome and I have lost all the functionality the latter provided. My wireless no longer works, I have no cache of wireless network keys I had logged on in the past. How do I get all that back?? Is there a supplementary package I need to install to make network-manager have a front-end? |
| 08:59.31 | Draicone | shwouchk: Crap, I just went through the reinstall procedure again =S |
| 08:59.33 | shwouchk | Draicone: I would let it wait and go get a coffe or walk the dog or something |
| 08:59.38 | nvz | phooka: oh boy, send me a post card from Beirut! hah |
| 08:59.39 | shwouchk | Draicone: heh :) |
| 08:59.44 | Draicone | I don't have a dog, and I'm allergic to coffee =S |
| 08:59.45 | phooka | haha |
| 08:59.47 | Draicone | Noobdom ftw. |
| 08:59.55 | Draicone | No fair, I want a trip to Beirut >< |
| 09:00.22 | Draicone | !win Draicone |
| 09:00.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, Draicone! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 09:00.29 | Draicone | ... damn. =P |
| 09:01.33 | _E-bola | Telek: thanks for your help so far :) |
| 09:01.36 | _E-bola | sleep tight |
| 09:01.39 | liable | eleftherios: does it not mention anything in the docs? |
| 09:01.43 | liable | !usd |
| 09:01.43 | dpkg | hmm... usd is /usr/share/doc. The font of all knowledge, after you install a new package. |
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| 09:02.07 | nvz | Draicone: are you seriously allergic to coffee? |
| 09:02.14 | Draicone | Apparently =S |
| 09:02.22 | nvz | Draicone: how do you know? |
| 09:02.37 | liable | beer seems a likely replacement beverage |
| 09:02.53 | Draicone | I once threw up after a sip of coffee and my GP advised me to stay away from it |
| 09:03.24 | nvz | I don't like beer or coffee.. but I'd take beer over coffee any day of the week |
| 09:03.25 | nvz | Draicone: ah, then you just don't like it.. heh |
| 09:03.25 | Draicone | Well, I had some mugaccino thing in a cafe once and that was ok, but instant coffee didn't suit me. |
| 09:03.25 | Draicone | ... *whacks coffee* |
| 09:03.32 | nvz | Draicone: I'd think if you were allergic you'd get hives, or your throat would swell up or something |
| 09:03.44 | nvz | It'd make me throw up too I'm sure |
| 09:03.49 | nvz | its gross |
| 09:04.28 | eleftherios | liable: yes, it says that there is a systray applet that users can use to interact with the NetworkManager |
| 09:04.29 | eleftherios | daemon. I can not find such a systray applet for gnome... :-/ |
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| 09:05.24 | eleftherios | liable: also, wireless was working like a dream and I never had to configure anything. Now it doesn't :-/ |
| 09:05.43 | jetlaw | !worship coffee |
| 09:06.25 | jetlaw | coffee beer wine caviar ... accquired tastes |
| 09:06.44 | jetlaw | everybody loves sardines though |
| 09:08.01 | Bogus8 | Could someone take a look at my test and see why it doesn't this work? http://www.pastebin.ca/689833 |
| 09:08.09 | Bogus8 | or am I going about this all wrong (too literal) |
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| 09:12.30 | nvz | hmm is 5:12am too late to get some sleep :P |
| 09:13.17 | nvz | I'm setting myself up for a nervous breakdown or something |
| 09:13.47 | nvz | over extending myself dealing with anyones problems but my own, and not sleeping regularly :P |
| 09:13.51 | liable | if it aint light outside yet, its not too late |
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| 09:13.57 | nvz | I got more issues than time magazine |
| 09:14.08 | nvz | and as funny as that sounds, its no joke :P |
| 09:15.20 | liable | for some reason, i'm not surprised ;) |
| 09:15.29 | nvz | I've not seen my limit yet.. but it only seems logical if you are a lean mean problem solving machine like me, and go around eating up everyone elses problems and can't deal with your own.. you gotta burst sooner or later :P |
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| 09:15.50 | nvz | liable: I'm not either :P |
| 09:16.13 | nvz | I think time magazine may have been around longer than me |
| 09:16.24 | nvz | but they only release issues what once a month at most? |
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| 09:17.06 | force | does anyone know where abouts in the menuconfig the lvm support is ? (2.6.x kernel) |
| 09:17.29 | nvz | uh.. its been so long since I done a kernel.. heh |
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| 09:17.50 | nvz | I could tell you where its not if I was looking at it :P |
| 09:19.14 | nvz | I always go through every option if I am configuring in menuconfig anyhow |
| 09:19.24 | force | yeah |
| 09:19.27 | nvz | if I am only changing specific options there is no need to menuconfig |
| 09:19.27 | force | i just dont have the time |
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| 09:19.38 | nvz | I can do that easier in the config file |
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| 09:20.02 | nvz | I've got plenty of time, I don't sleep :P |
| 09:20.17 | nvz | I don't work half the time either.. |
| 09:20.25 | nvz | I'm a professional procrastinator |
| 09:20.51 | force | ahh i grepped the .config for LVM |
| 09:20.55 | force | thanks :) |
| 09:20.56 | force | hehe |
| 09:20.59 | nvz | A wise woman by the name of Ellen Degeneres taught me "Procrastinate now, or you'll never get around to it." |
| 09:21.40 | nvz | she's a professional comedian.. must know what she's talking about :P |
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| 09:22.42 | Fox_1_ | people does anyone know amule/emule client for console? |
| 09:23.08 | nvz | the mule thing always seemed to suck donkey to me |
| 09:23.30 | Trentster | Hey all, I am in a bit of a bind, we have inherited sorting out a linux server that was setup by a third party, and I need to get some mail out of exim/store for another client whos server was struck by lightning, I can see all the mail sitting in a backup archive location, I need to do the following , somehow search all the mail that came in since friday for the particular domain, and resubmit them for redelivery....can anyone h |
| 09:23.30 | Trentster | elp? |
| 09:24.02 | erpo | Fox_1_: apt-cache search mule turns up amule-daemon. |
| 09:24.07 | enouf | fs/Kconfig or drivers/md/Makefile |
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| 09:26.13 | nvz | Fox_1_: sounds like amule-daemon and amule-utils might do what you want |
| 09:26.46 | nvz | personally I rather not have mules or donkeys on my machine |
| 09:27.12 | enouf | nor azureuses ..eseses |
| 09:27.17 | _E-bola | hehe |
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| 09:27.55 | nvz | enouf: yeah something just isn't right about little spotted blue frogs |
| 09:28.05 | enouf | hehe |
| 09:28.21 | nvz | all cracked out on java |
| 09:28.33 | enouf | never touched the stuff = it's made from the 3V1Lz |
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| 09:28.52 | Arafangion | nvz: Java is poisonious, so no wonder. :) |
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| 09:30.47 | nvz | Arafangion: yeah I hear it makes you run real slow and take a liking to restrictive lisc terms |
| 09:31.29 | Arafangion | nvz: It's like a toilet. (Ever been to a toilet that's just /different/?) |
| 09:31.51 | Bogus8 | Could someone take a look at my test and see why it doesn't this work? http://www.pastebin.ca/689833 |
| 09:31.57 | nvz | Arafangion: actually now that you mention it... I can |
| 09:32.24 | nvz | blah hit enter by accident |
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| 09:32.30 | nvz | I can |
| 09:32.34 | nvz | blah |
| 09:32.44 | nvz | damn laptop keyboards |
| 09:33.02 | Arafangion | nvz: Nevermind, I get the picture. :) |
| 09:33.15 | nvz | I can't remember where I was but this toilet was so low to the ground I thought I was squatting over one of those chinese toilets |
| 09:33.49 | Arafangion | nvz: The idea is to squat, indeed. |
| 09:34.06 | Arafangion | nvz: Supposed to be better and cleaner, anyway, but we're /way/ off topic here. :) |
| 09:34.15 | nvz | heh |
| 09:34.29 | nvz | just the way I like it, shitty and off-topic :P |
| 09:34.40 | liable | cleaner untill you poo in you duds around you ankles |
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| 09:35.21 | nvz | come to think of it.. squatting lower would spread the ol cheeks better |
| 09:35.39 | et | if i screwed up and accidently removed network-manager from my install, what would be the best way to get it back? |
| 09:35.42 | Arafangion | nvz: And there is less pressure in the colon. |
| 09:36.09 | nvz | I should never have doubted the chinese.. they always seem to have things well thought through |
| 09:36.15 | liable | et: install it again.. duh |
| 09:36.23 | nvz | et: apt-get install network-manager |
| 09:36.25 | et | liable: i would, but the net's down ;) |
| 09:36.30 | nvz | haha |
| 09:36.50 | liable | et: unless you have cleaned your cache, it wont need the net |
| 09:37.01 | liable | et: learn to use the backend tools :) |
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| 09:37.07 | et | it does need it. |
| 09:37.46 | Arafangion | Hey, how come Debian is not LSB compliant? (But Ubuntu is) |
| 09:37.59 | Arafangion | Does compliancy cost money? |
| 09:38.23 | nvz | Bogus8: what do you think we are mind readers? there are a crapload of unknowns in that very weird conditional statement you got there |
| 09:38.39 | liable | ati the bastards have already pushed back the date of the new driver. sigh. looks like once again they cant be believed |
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| 09:39.10 | Bogus8 | nvz: well, basically the variables just point to files (they are there and that isn't a problem).. it just always ends up being the else statement |
| 09:39.23 | Bogus8 | nvz: i just want to test if X file is older than Y file |
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| 09:40.05 | Bogus8 | I don't even know if it needs to be a conditional statement |
| 09:40.29 | sep | Arafangion, it might be related to that fact that debian have ~15000 pacages that need to comply while ubuntu releases fewer packages have heard 3-4000 but dont know exact number |
| 09:40.47 | Guerin | they support about 1000 |
| 09:40.57 | Guerin | they release many more, but not as part of the main distro |
| 09:40.57 | nvz | Bogus8: see what the hell those variables are realistically evaluating to. remove the conditional statement and just do an echo.. I have no error message and no sample data, and seems like I am missing the rest of the script.. so I can't hardly see whats wrong |
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| 09:41.06 | Arafangion | sep: Ahh, fair enough. I just saw the roadmap, debian etch's in there. |
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| 09:41.20 | growli | can you tell me why I can't access my internal ftp server running on with the following configuration... http://rafb.net/p/mvxz9Q22.html .... if I set "iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d ppp0 --dport 21 -j DNAT --to 10.0.1.50:21" |
| 09:41.46 | Guerin | growli: because you don't understand ftp |
| 09:41.47 | sep | Guerin, thanks :) |
| 09:42.09 | Guerin | !ftp must die |
| 09:42.09 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 09:42.17 | Guerin | growli: ↑ |
| 09:42.21 | growli | ? |
| 09:42.27 | sep | Arafangion, if debain's lsb compliance matter for you, you should get involved and send patches. (or feed a developer) :) |
| 09:42.31 | Bogus8 | nvz: echo $(test $(ls /foo/foo*) -nt /foo/foobar) |
| 09:42.32 | Guerin | growli: ftp doesn't just use port 21 |
| 09:42.34 | Bogus8 | that is all I"m after |
| 09:42.55 | growli | this doesn't matter in this case... i'm using telnet to try the port |
| 09:42.58 | et | is there some way to find out on which cd a package is? |
| 09:43.06 | growli | i know that there is the 20 data-port |
| 09:43.07 | Guerin | growli: then ask #iptables |
| 09:43.14 | growli | i did so |
| 09:43.18 | growli | they don't answer :D |
| 09:43.20 | liable | et: why dont you just fix your net connection? |
| 09:43.30 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 09:43.30 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 09:43.37 | Arafangion | sep: It doesn't, was more of a curiosity. :) |
| 09:43.45 | et | because i get odd errors when i try to do so |
| 09:43.52 | liable | et: such as? |
| 09:44.25 | Bogus8 | nvz: when I run that test command I get a blank line as the output |
| 09:44.47 | nvz | none of that makes any sense to me |
| 09:44.54 | nvz | I don |
| 09:45.11 | nvz | don't see how what you've written does what you want it to |
| 09:45.20 | Arafangion | Guerin: Pick me! Pick me! Pick me! |
| 09:45.21 | nvz | or even could do what you want it to |
| 09:45.39 | Guerin | Arafangion: you don't even make the top 3 |
| 09:45.43 | Bogus8 | nvz: well, that's my problem then... I don't understand how to use the test command |
| 09:45.54 | Bogus8 | I want to see if file X is newer than file Y |
| 09:45.58 | Arafangion | Guerin: Damn, there's a rank? |
| 09:46.07 | Guerin | !moron Arafangion |
| 09:46.07 | dpkg | Arafangion: You are moron #40 |
| 09:46.17 | Guerin | Arafangion: see? MILES to go yet. |
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| 09:46.26 | Guerin | keep trying though |
| 09:46.32 | Arafangion | *sigh*, I shall have to try harder. This is so hard to be number 1 in everything :( |
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| 09:47.41 | infernix | anyone know of a wrapper/installer package/script for oracle 10/11? need the TNS client stuff on a few dozen debian etch boxes |
| 09:47.42 | nvz | Bogus8: its the foo* that looks strange to me |
| 09:48.06 | Bogus8 | nvz: it returns a file with the day of the week (like Sun*) |
| 09:48.59 | Bogus8 | nvz: like today it would check the file that starts with "Mon" against the timestamp |
| 09:49.20 | nvz | you lost me when you made that right turn at Alberquerky... heh |
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| 09:50.00 | Bogus8 | daily backups are day of the week plus date... they rotate but always start with the day of the week `date +%a` |
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| 09:51.25 | nvz | Reminds me of George Carlin saying how he distinguishes between maniacs and crazy people.. "A maniac will beat 12 people to death with a steel dildo, a crazy person will beat 12 people to death with a steel dildo, but will be wearing a bugs bunny suit at the time" heh |
| 09:51.43 | infernix | !orcle |
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| 09:52.43 | liable | steve orcle? |
| 09:53.03 | Bogus8 | urkel |
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| 10:00.47 | _E-bola | hmmm the lenny installer beta support for SATA raid controllers segfaults :( |
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| 10:08.12 | frego | Hello, I have installed a debian recently, but firewire interface is detected as eth0 and ethercard as eth1, is there a way to change that so the ethernet card is eth0 :) ? |
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| 10:13.07 | jetscreamer | stfu |
| 10:14.47 | sep | frego, look in the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 10:14.58 | frego | sep: thx |
| 10:16.37 | themill | !tell frego about z25 |
| 10:18.56 | liable | a lesson in frustration |
| 10:19.57 | themill | liable, jetscreamer: like this? http://picpaste.com/stress_reduction_kit.png |
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| 10:21.31 | jetscreamer | themill: that is the n00b one. i like to aim for the corner of my desk now. |
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| 10:22.32 | liable | heh |
| 10:24.03 | Gm4n | mbroeker: you still around? |
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| 10:24.36 | mbroeker | whats up, Gm4n ? |
| 10:24.46 | Gm4n | I switched to awstats ;) |
| 10:24.55 | Gm4n | care to help? |
| 10:25.03 | Gm4n | it's not working at the moment |
| 10:25.15 | mbroeker | awstats needs two config files |
| 10:25.44 | Gm4n | two? |
| 10:25.47 | Gm4n | I found one |
| 10:25.56 | Gm4n | /etc/awstats/awstats.conf |
| 10:25.58 | mbroeker | cd /etc/awstats/ && ln -s awstats.your.domain.com |
| 10:26.34 | Gm4n | umm |
| 10:26.37 | Gm4n | what does that ln do? |
| 10:26.39 | mbroeker | cd /etc/awstats/ && ln -s awstats.conf awstats.your.domain.com |
| 10:26.43 | Gm4n | ahhh |
| 10:26.44 | Gm4n | there we go ;) |
| 10:26.49 | mbroeker | sorry thats the proper way. |
| 10:27.04 | Gm4n | I was like "what does a symbolic link with no target do?" |
| 10:27.27 | jetscreamer | not -sn ? |
| 10:27.57 | mbroeker | Gm4n, after symlinking that file and editing it, you can setup the apache handler... |
| 10:28.26 | Gm4n | well, I edited, still doesn't seem to be workin |
| 10:28.37 | mbroeker | Gm4n, my apache config is in /etc/apache2/conf.d/awstats and looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/g2ZH1340.html |
| 10:29.15 | Gm4n | isn't that just security precautions? |
| 10:29.25 | mbroeker | and a scriptalias |
| 10:29.32 | Gm4n | the scriptalias is needed? |
| 10:29.41 | mbroeker | better is that... |
| 10:29.57 | Gm4n | oh, I agree that's better |
| 10:30.04 | Gm4n | but right now, it plain doesn't work ;) |
| 10:30.08 | Gm4n | gives all 0s |
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| 10:30.29 | mbroeker | look at http://localhost/awstats/ with the trailing / ! |
| 10:30.52 | Gm4n | server isn't localhost |
| 10:30.57 | Gm4n | but if it makes you feel better, I'll set that up |
| 10:31.26 | jetscreamer | isn't local to you, or the program |
| 10:31.48 | sep | Gm4n, gives all 0's ? have you updated the statistics in a cronjob ? |
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| 10:32.21 | Gm4n | hmm, I guess not |
| 10:32.22 | Gm4n | ;) |
| 10:32.25 | mbroeker | Gm4n, do you want to have my cron.job too? |
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| 10:32.33 | Gm4n | clearly not |
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| 10:32.57 | mbroeker | why not? http://rafb.net/p/d71JBX68.html |
| 10:33.01 | sep | Gm4n, i use soething like /etc/awstats/awstats_updateall.pl now -awstatsprog=/usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -configdir=/etc/awstats |
| 10:33.17 | sep | that runs awstats.pl --update on all config files in the configdir |
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| 10:34.15 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 10:34.53 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:34.54 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
| 10:36.29 | dalias | :P |
| 10:37.04 | Gm4n | hmm, awstats sure is chugging away |
| 10:37.18 | Gm4n | how long should an update take? |
| 10:37.52 | SlayerXP | this lone: <-------> |
| 10:37.57 | mbroeker | depends on the length of your logfile |
| 10:37.57 | SlayerXP | s/lone/long/ |
| 10:38.06 | sep | Gm4n, depends on how long it is since you last ran the updater, and how huge your logfile is |
| 10:38.15 | Gm4n | well, the logfile was rotated a few hours ago |
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| 10:38.30 | Gm4n | but it's the first time I've run the updater |
| 10:38.43 | sep | SlayerXP, :) |
| 10:40.33 | et | liable: net works again, but i didn't change anything (just booted into debian again after downloading the cd in windows). *shrug* thanks though |
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| 10:40.55 | Gm4n | hmm |
| 10:41.04 | Gm4n | it's been running for 5 minutes |
| 10:41.08 | Gm4n | is this typical? |
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| 10:43.27 | liable | et: ok. good :) |
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| 10:45.43 | waspius | hi..i followed the instructions here http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80 and installed java..however it shoes that it has not been installed...any help? |
| 10:45.58 | Gm4n | sep: I don't wanna be a pain, but I have a pretty solid server, logs were rotated a few hours ago, and the update has been going for 10 minutes... is that right? |
| 10:47.01 | lord_rob | waspius: there are java (sun java) packages for debian, just add non-free sources to your sources.list then it will be available |
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| 10:47.54 | sep | Gm4n, i am not 100% sure, but it might be that it reads all the previous rotated logs too. check with ps or pstree what it's doing |
| 10:48.23 | sep | Gm4n, since it's the first time i'd expect it to take some times |
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| 10:48.33 | Gm4n | this server is about 1 day old ;) |
| 10:48.38 | Gm4n | shouldn't have too much in the way of backlogs |
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| 10:49.21 | lordrich | If you've only been running the server for 1 day then you can't know it's pretty solid |
| 10:49.32 | Gm4n | I mean the hardware is |
| 10:49.36 | lordrich | But you're right, it probably shouldn't be taking this long |
| 10:49.36 | lord_rob | waspius: sun-java6-jdk |
| 10:49.41 | sep | Gm4n, is your dns resolver slow perhaps ? |
| 10:49.45 | loca|host | i've installed a new SATA drive into my box, got Etch on it and all things went right, till i discover that the drive is disconnecting after some 30-60 minuts, and i have messages telling me that the driver was disconnected, and i have no access to the disk |
| 10:49.54 | Gm4n | I'm pretty sure it's not set to do DNS resolutions |
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| 10:50.22 | Gm4n | time to check config ;) |
| 10:50.31 | sep | stop the guesswork and check with ps +pstree and strace |
| 10:51.05 | waspius | lord_rob: well i have non free enabled but i cannot find the above package |
| 10:51.18 | lord_rob | waspius: using etch ? |
| 10:51.23 | Gm4n | whoops, I did have DNS checks on |
| 10:51.25 | waspius | yes |
| 10:51.26 | Gm4n | turned those suckers off |
| 10:51.34 | jetscreamer | did you put contrib also, waspius ? |
| 10:51.36 | Gm4n | finished in about 3 seconds this time |
| 10:51.43 | themill | waspius: sun-java5-* not 6 under etch |
| 10:51.57 | jetscreamer | and do apt-get update ? |
| 10:52.05 | lord_rob | waspius: http://packages.debian.org/sun-java6-jdk |
| 10:52.24 | lordrich | !info sun-java5-jdk etch |
| 10:52.25 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 4923 kB, Installed size: 11420 kB |
| 10:52.29 | lord_rob | waspius: if using etch you have to use backports |
| 10:52.45 | waspius | oh ok.. |
| 10:52.47 | themill | lord_rob: java6 isn't in etch but java5 is. No need for backports. |
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| 10:53.43 | waspius | well why cant i find it:( |
| 10:53.52 | lord_rob | themill: depends on which version of java he/she wants to use |
| 10:53.56 | waspius | i will post my repos..maybe something i am doing wrong |
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| 10:54.18 | waspius | well i want to have support in my browser and to be able to use a vjm |
| 10:54.22 | lord_rob | waspius: did you do apt-get update after updating your sources.list ? |
| 10:54.41 | waspius | well i have had them for a long time and thus i have yes |
| 10:54.47 | lord_rob | ok |
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| 10:56.10 | ivalladt | some entries in my /etc/modules force loading of the module during boot, some don't, any ideas? |
| 10:56.37 | jetscreamer | some are correct for your box, some are not, and some don't care if they are or not |
| 10:57.00 | jetscreamer | or some conflict with what hotplug has decided is best for you |
| 10:57.07 | ivalladt | ... |
| 10:57.08 | phooka | if i make a crontab with */1 */60 * * * cmdhere, will do that cmd every 1 minute? |
| 10:57.17 | ivalladt | visor is listed in /etc/modules but not loaded |
| 10:57.31 | themill | waspius: what do you get for "aptitude search sun-java" ? |
| 10:57.42 | jetscreamer | wtf is visor, i've never seen that in menuconfig |
| 10:57.59 | ivalladt | jetscreamer: palm pilot support |
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| 10:58.20 | waspius | themill: nothing |
| 10:58.35 | themill | waspius: ok, perhaps you should pastebin your sources.list ;) |
| 10:58.38 | jetscreamer | maybe it has to be hooked up at the time, but i don't know anything about palm pilots |
| 10:58.51 | phooka | Anyone help me? |
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| 10:59.03 | ivalladt | ups |
| 10:59.12 | waspius | themill: yeah i am trying to but pastebin aint working for me now:S |
| 10:59.34 | themill | waspius: try a different one? |
| 11:01.07 | waspius | themill: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php |
| 11:01.12 | waspius | wrong |
| 11:01.22 | waspius | themill: http://rafb.net/p/u3EmnU74.html |
| 11:01.57 | themill | waspius: ok... you need to add contrib and non-free to your sources.list to pick up sun java. |
| 11:02.14 | phooka | Will "*/1 */60 * * * lsof -i tcp > /var/log/tcp.log" execute lsof - tcp every minute? in a cronjob |
| 11:02.28 | themill | waspius: in line 4, add to the end: contrib non-free |
| 11:02.36 | waspius | themill:ok thanx :) |
| 11:02.55 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 11:02.57 | themill | waspius: then aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java5-plugin |
| 11:03.02 | phooka | I know this sint crontab but you guys are pro :D |
| 11:03.02 | jetscreamer | what he siad |
| 11:05.05 | themill | phooka: that doesn't look right. the format is minute then hour. */60 * * * * command should be right |
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| 11:05.17 | phooka | themill: k ty |
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| 11:05.20 | themill | phooka: but you really should look up the docs as I'm doing it from memory |
| 11:05.34 | themill | phooka: and I have to look up the docs every time. |
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| 11:06.48 | waspius | themill: still the same it cannot find it |
| 11:08.03 | phooka | Docs dont say much about the time setting |
| 11:08.14 | phooka | i think */1 * * * * should work |
| 11:08.22 | phooka | to do it every minute |
| 11:08.30 | lord_rob | waspius: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 11:08.45 | themill | phooka: actually, you might be right there.... I can't remember. |
| 11:08.50 | phooka | */60 sounds like it would do it every 60 minutes |
| 11:08.56 | cydork | phooka: you don't need */1 just * will do. check man 5 crontab |
| 11:09.02 | lord_rob | waspius: replace sid with whatever you want to use (etch, lenny, ...) |
| 11:09.16 | phooka | so * * * * * cmd |
| 11:09.30 | lord_rob | waspius: also the url of the mirror |
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| 11:09.54 | themill | waspius: wtf? can you pastebin your sources.list again along with the output of aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java5-plugin |
| 11:10.04 | cydork | phooka: yeah. |
| 11:10.31 | phooka | cydork: ok cool, that should cat the lsmod cmd every minute |
| 11:10.42 | themill | cydork: yeah... vague memories coming back ;) thanks for that. |
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| 11:11.28 | cydork | themill: no probs ;) |
| 11:12.05 | waspius | themill: http://rafb.net/p/MuXRDI87.html |
| 11:12.21 | slap | can i use installation cd for recovery? |
| 11:12.28 | slap | recovery a sarge dead box |
| 11:12.30 | slap | recover |
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| 11:12.52 | themill | !tell slap about rescue |
| 11:12.55 | lord_rob | slap: I'd better use a live CD like knoppix if I were you |
| 11:13.01 | themill | !tell slap about rescue mode |
| 11:13.20 | themill | slap: but it depends what you're trying to recover and how hosed the box is. |
| 11:13.22 | slap | there is rescue mode in installation cd? |
| 11:13.47 | themill | waspius: the "contrib non-free" should be on the deb line not the deb-src line ;) |
| 11:14.00 | waspius | oh ok:( |
| 11:14.20 | lord_rob | waspius: don't remove it on the deb-src line |
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| 11:14.32 | lord_rob | waspius: it doesn't hurt there |
| 11:14.57 | Gm4n | to install crontab, do I install the gcrontab package? |
| 11:15.13 | petemc | you should already have what you need |
| 11:15.21 | themill | waspius: the deb-src lines are handy if you ever want to recompile things, so it's always handy to keep them up to date (i.e. the same as the deb lines) |
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| 11:16.07 | waspius | ok..it found it now..thanx..do you know why it wants to remove zip though? |
| 11:16.37 | themill | waspius: are you in the habit of using aptitude for everything or do you normally use apt-get? |
| 11:16.46 | waspius | apt-get |
| 11:17.13 | waspius | is there a difference between the two? |
| 11:17.23 | lord_rob | aptitude is much better |
| 11:17.27 | themill | waspius: aptitude tries to remember what was installed as an automatic dependency of something else so it can uninstall things for you when they are no longer needed. |
| 11:17.29 | themill | !why aptitude |
| 11:17.29 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 11:17.41 | Gm4n | how do I change my default crontab editor to vim? |
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| 11:18.10 | lord_rob | i suppose it's the EDITOR environment variable |
| 11:18.16 | waspius | ok so i do aptitude install package name..and aptitude update for update right? |
| 11:18.20 | lord_rob | Gm4n: ^^^ |
| 11:18.24 | themill | Gm4n: or update-alternatives to do it system-wide |
| 11:19.13 | themill | waspius: but if you've not been using it from the beginning then you'll occasionally find that it wants to get rid of things that are currently installed. aptitude is essentially command-line compatible for apt-get (update, install, remove) |
| 11:19.24 | phooka | Does the default kernel with 4.0r1 come with ipv6 support or do i need to compile modules with a new kernel? |
| 11:19.41 | waspius | ok..thanx |
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| 11:19.56 | Gm4n | themill: sorry to be such a pain, it's 5:15 am and I haven't slept yet. How do I use update alternatives to change the default editor globally? |
| 11:20.13 | lord_rob | waspius: aptitude is convenient to be used with its (text mode) interface |
| 11:20.19 | liable | phooka: yes it does |
| 11:20.22 | petemc | Gm4n: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 11:20.28 | waspius | aha |
| 11:20.33 | themill | waspius: you can just aptitude install zip sun-java5-plugin and it will keep hold of the zip package too |
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| 11:20.40 | Ast001 | hi, how can I check what version of GTK is on system ? |
| 11:20.49 | waspius | themill: thank you |
| 11:20.56 | themill | lord_rob, waspius: actually, I hate the curses interface and only use it in cli mode ;) |
| 11:20.59 | themill | waspius: np |
| 11:21.21 | norox | !news |
| 11:21.41 | lord_rob | themill: that's only a matter of getting used to the keyboard shortcuts :) |
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| 11:22.48 | norox | is there any fix on the way for debian stable lighttpd fast_cgi bug? |
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| 11:24.12 | lord_rob | themill: but I really prefer aptitude over synaptic as a package management system (even if I have never tried synaptic) because you don't need a X server to run a convenient interface. Aptitude is very useful when you want to manually resolve dependency problems (useful when running sid) |
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| 11:24.54 | themill | lord_rob: yeah... I'm still scarred by dselect... |
| 11:25.04 | themill | norox: can you give us a bug number? |
| 11:25.07 | lord_rob | I'm running sid + experimental + external sources like marillat's mplayer |
| 11:25.29 | waspius | i recently installed midnight commander..when you try to open txt files however it does not open..what do i need to do..do i use a command or something? |
| 11:25.42 | themill | lord_rob: I think that officially makes you a masochist. |
| 11:26.13 | lord_rob | themill: I've been running sid since 2002, so I'm no more a newbie ;-) |
| 11:26.58 | norox | themill, http://www.lighttpd.net/assets/2007/9/9/lighttpd_sa_2007_12.txt |
| 11:27.10 | waspius | a ok..found it |
| 11:27.10 | norox | themill, http://www.lighttpd.net/download/lighttpd-1.4.x_mod_fastcgi_overrun.patch |
| 11:27.37 | themill | norox: is it in the debian bts? |
| 11:28.01 | themill | lord_rob: that doesn't change the masochist bit though. |
| 11:28.23 | norox | themill, checking |
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| 11:29.10 | norox | themill, nop |
| 11:29.12 | geo-rge | -dselect-?? |
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| 11:29.56 | lord_rob | themill: hehe :) I am in constant need of learning, that's what makes you a good computer user |
| 11:30.16 | deconvolution | does someone use network-manager to manage the interfaces? after upgrading to 0.6.5-1 the nm-applet disappears and the manager was disabled |
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| 11:30.33 | geo-rge | that's what makes your computer less useful than it could be :) |
| 11:31.18 | lord_rob | that depends on how you define the word 'usage' |
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| 11:31.57 | dutchfish | deconvolution, are you on lenny? |
| 11:32.38 | themill | norox: then you probably should contact the maintainer and/or the security team about it (since it has a CVE number). Perhaps also file a bug in the bts about it and tag it as being security-related. |
| 11:32.57 | deconvolution | dutchfish: on unstable, the changelog saied nm-applet was splited into several pacages but no clue how |
| 11:33.21 | deconvolution | but I have no clue how it was separated |
| 11:33.27 | Ast001 | is gtk+ >=2.4 in Etch ? |
| 11:33.33 | dutchfish | deconvolution, i expect not all the deps are fullfilled yet |
| 11:33.34 | norox | themill, trying can't find the button for buggreport :) |
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| 11:33.46 | azeem | norox: what's the CVE? |
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| 11:33.48 | themill | norox: aptitude install reportbug |
| 11:33.50 | geo-rge | lord_rob: if by "useful" you mean "Hey! I just learned I have to -intimately- understand backups, backup strategies, backup plans and now I have one of each!" I guess you're well served :) |
| 11:33.59 | deconvolution | dutchfish: are you using network-manager? |
| 11:34.03 | azeem | ah, got it |
| 11:34.25 | dutchfish | deconvolution, yes but i use only etch/lenny in lenny i had simulair problems |
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| 11:34.35 | spheard | anyone else seeing the spam coming thru the debian lists? |
| 11:34.40 | norox | azeem, CVE-2007-4727 |
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| 11:34.48 | norox | themill, thx |
| 11:35.13 | dutchfish | deconvolution, i could resolve it with install --reinstall after an apt-get clean |
| 11:35.14 | deconvolution | dutchfish: the network-manager package does not configured properly? |
| 11:35.22 | themill | deconvolution: network-manager-gnomer |
| 11:35.29 | themill | *gnome |
| 11:36.07 | deconvolution | ok |
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| 11:36.54 | geo-rge | lord_rob: but other than that, if you're using sid for any kind of real work without a -full out- backup strategy, |
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| 11:37.27 | geo-rge | ok, so I don't know how to complete that sentence without majorly insulting people, so I won't |
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| 11:39.17 | geo-rge | the problem is anything can happen. and while the devs are fairly careful, anything tends to happen. |
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| 11:43.41 | deconvolution | dutchfish, themill: i have solve the problem after remove & reinstall the package, many thanks ! |
| 11:43.53 | dutchfish | yw |
| 11:44.56 | Arafangion | Hey, I'm having trouble upgrading to etch. |
| 11:45.11 | geo-rge | from? |
| 11:45.27 | Arafangion | apt-get is saying: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. |
| 11:45.33 | geo-rge | what trougle? |
| 11:45.42 | Arafangion | So, how do I activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 11:45.59 | petemc | Arafangion: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 11:46.03 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Debian 3.0r2 :) |
| 11:46.06 | Arafangion | petemc: Thanks |
| 11:46.13 | themill | Arafangion: you are following the release notes, aren't you? |
| 11:46.14 | geo-rge | 3.0? |
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| 11:46.19 | geo-rge | ummm hold up |
| 11:46.28 | geo-rge | upgrade to 3.1 first |
| 11:46.37 | geo-rge | then upgrade to 4 |
| 11:46.37 | Arafangion | What release /is/ 3.0, anyway? |
| 11:46.46 | themill | Arafangion: woody |
| 11:46.47 | geo-rge | woody? |
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| 11:47.11 | geo-rge | has it already started to install packages? |
| 11:47.13 | Arafangion | themill: You sure? |
| 11:47.18 | liable | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 11:47.18 | dpkg | e2fsprogs loop is, like, you are running package older than the sarge release and are trying to upgrade to etch or later. skipping releases is not supported. you must first upgrade to sarge, then to etch. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace 'testing' or 'etch' or 'stable' or 'unstable' with 'sarge' then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade' then ask me about <sarge->etch> for instruction on upgrading to etch |
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| 11:47.30 | Arafangion | geo-rge: It's actually in colinux, running kernel 2.6 |
| 11:47.41 | themill | ffs |
| 11:47.43 | geo-rge | wha';ts colinux? |
| 11:47.59 | smi | Is there a program which shows internet traffic like outgoing and incoming connections? |
| 11:48.04 | fireba11 | geo-rge: dunno, but i'm sure we don't support it here :-) |
| 11:48.14 | petemc | smi: iptraf |
| 11:48.20 | smi | petemc: thanks |
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| 11:48.24 | geo-rge | do you have your /home as a separate partition? |
| 11:48.25 | fireba11 | smi : lots. what you want depends on what you really want to see |
| 11:48.26 | Arafangion | It's what uml is to linux, but for windows. |
| 11:48.45 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Worst thing is that I'll just re-download the root fs, all 23 MB of it. |
| 11:49.17 | Arafangion | Hmm, I don't think my mirror even /has/ woody. |
| 11:49.33 | smi | fireba11: I installed iptraf and it was what I was looking for. thanks anyways |
| 11:49.43 | geo-rge | woody is in the archives somewhere I guess |
| 11:50.23 | geo-rge | Arafangion: what fses do you have? |
| 11:50.50 | Arafangion | geo-rge: ext3. |
| 11:50.59 | Arafangion | geo-rge: An update shouldn't downgrade, anyway. |
| 11:51.31 | liable | so if you are smarter than apt. do it with ar :P |
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| 11:51.40 | themill | :) |
| 11:51.41 | geo-rge | where are your fses mounted? |
| 11:51.55 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Do you really want to ask? ;) |
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| 11:52.05 | geo-rge | yes, I do |
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| 11:52.28 | Arafangion | geo-rge: /dev/cobd0, which is C:/coLinux/debian..........................1gb |
| 11:52.37 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Couldn't be bothered retyping the entire thing. |
| 11:52.49 | geo-rge | ok... |
| 11:52.57 | geo-rge | what is it you're trying to accomplish |
| 11:53.23 | Arafangion | geo-rge: A faster vmware system. :) |
| 11:53.57 | geo-rge | so you dual boot at this point? |
| 11:54.29 | Arafangion | Partly, yes. |
| 11:54.40 | Arafangion | I run two machines concurrently, but the laptop I dualboot. :( |
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| 11:55.38 | Fox_1_ | people how can I set postfix resend time? as I know by default it tring to resend email every 30 minute. |
| 11:55.58 | geo-rge | this colinux thing, you're running it so you can have win and linux running under vmware? |
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| 11:56.42 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Instead of vmware. Have you ever heard of UML? |
| 11:56.43 | dutchfish | Fox, not exactly, postfix first attempt will be in 5 min second attampt 15 and so on |
| 11:57.09 | geo-rge | heard of it yes, but I don't know the details |
| 11:57.45 | Arafangion | geo-rge: It lets you run linux as a userland process. coLinux is much the same, except for windows. |
| 11:58.48 | dutchfish | Fox_1_, this will help? http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html#hammer |
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| 11:59.19 | geo-rge | so it lets linux run "under" windows? |
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| 11:59.44 | SoulChild | hey all ,... i can't use the cga boot parameter in grub ,... there are only modes avaialbe like 80x45 ,... any ideas ??? |
| 11:59.50 | SoulChild | cga=vga |
| 12:00.00 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Yeah. |
| 12:00.14 | geo-rge | ok, inside the colinux, |
| 12:00.19 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Yes. |
| 12:00.24 | geo-rge | what kind of linux do you have? |
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| 12:00.44 | geo-rge | debian woody? |
| 12:00.46 | Arafangion | geo-rge: In coLinux, or on my other systems? Debian, for all of them, though my laptop is currently running Ubuntu. |
| 12:00.59 | Arafangion | Actually, coLinux seems to be an older version of sarge. |
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| 12:01.11 | geo-rge | ok |
| 12:01.13 | Arafangion | Or at least woody with significant backports. |
| 12:01.19 | waspius | how can you check what file system a partition has when it cannot be read under windows? |
| 12:01.32 | Arafangion | waspius: You boot Debian. :) |
| 12:01.39 | geo-rge | right now I'm trying to figure out what you want to do |
| 12:01.45 | geo-rge | in some detail |
| 12:01.50 | geo-rge | so we dont fuck it up :) |
| 12:02.21 | phooka | when i try to add my ipv6 address to eth0 i get: SIOCSIFADDR: No buffer space available |
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| 12:02.23 | Arafangion | geo-rge: In a nutshell, I'm nearly sick of cygwin's deficiencies, and I /hate/ cmd.exe. :) |
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| 12:02.33 | waspius | yeah well it it not on my pc..there is a windows pc which we cannot access one partition..i put a live linux cd in but i dont know the filesystem of the partition so that i can mount it..how can i find out? |
| 12:02.38 | phooka | i did ifconfig eth0 inet6 add 2001:618:400:20f0::/64 |
| 12:02.49 | geo-rge | do I hear you saying you want to get rid of windows entirely? |
| 12:03.02 | Arafangion | geo-rge: The day I graduate is the day I delete windows. |
| 12:03.02 | ApEtc | waspius: If it was Windows, it is likely either fat32 or ntfs |
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| 12:03.10 | themill | waspius: have a look at the partition type in the partition table (fdisk -l) |
| 12:03.19 | waspius | themill: thanx |
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| 12:03.26 | geo-rge | ok, so you have to keep windows for now |
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| 12:03.46 | themill | waspius: You can also see if mount can work out the fs type automagically. If often can. |
| 12:04.01 | themill | waspius: the partition type is not definitive for the fs type though. |
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| 12:04.36 | apt_get | rc.local is called after os before hardware init? |
| 12:04.38 | Aleksej | hi |
| 12:04.40 | waspius | themill: it says it is w95 fat 16 (lba) |
| 12:05.08 | apt_get | i need to delete '/etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules' every restart if some network card is modified |
| 12:05.10 | Aleksej | Why do gqview and gthumb zoom the original raster rendering of SVG, instead of vector zooming? |
| 12:05.23 | themill | !tell apt_get about z25 |
| 12:05.39 | waspius | so what do i use? |
| 12:05.47 | themill | apt_get: note the last part of that blurb from dpkg |
| 12:05.49 | Arafangion | geo-rge: You arent' required to know what I want :) |
| 12:05.56 | dutchfish | phooka, since writes are always non-blocking nonblocking blocking (if the packet cannot be accepted for a transient reason (eg, no buffer space available), it is silently dropped; if the reason is not transient (eg, packet too large), an error is returned) |
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| 12:06.13 | geo-rge | Arafangion: ok so you have lots of machines... can we give a name to the machine you're upgrading right now? |
| 12:06.35 | waspius | themill: any ideas? |
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| 12:07.03 | geo-rge | Arafangion: unless I am to be of any help, that's true |
| 12:07.06 | Arafangion | geo-rge: I shall call this one "coLinux". I'm very inventive, you know. :) |
| 12:07.19 | SoulChild__ | HELP.The highest available framebuffer resouloution at boot is 80x45, if i set it to 1024x768 ,... i have a blank screen while booting ,.. can somebody help me please? |
| 12:07.21 | themill | waspius: vfat *might* be right. msdos is another option, but that probably doesn't have long filename support |
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| 12:07.51 | waspius | themill: well vfat does not work either..i will try the other |
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| 12:07.52 | mXr | hi there. is it possible to (cross-?)compile packages for amd64 on a normal 32 bit system? the other way round is easy with a chroot.... |
| 12:07.56 | geo-rge | ok... do you just want to upgrade the linux in place without affecting how the machine boots? |
| 12:08.13 | themill | waspius: -t auto (or leave out -t) to mount will often work. |
| 12:08.16 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Pretty much. Just got it to update to sarge. :) |
| 12:08.23 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Now I'm installing aptitude. |
| 12:08.38 | geo-rge | Arafangion: ok, so you're actually progressing |
| 12:08.38 | Arafangion | Hang on... |
| 12:08.44 | Arafangion | FIRST, I shall install vim. |
| 12:08.45 | faust_ | mXr: Should be possible with DistCC or something. |
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| 12:08.53 | tamiya | hey guys |
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| 12:09.03 | tamiya | has anyone heard of the 'ks' command? |
| 12:09.17 | faust_ | At least we used to do that with Gentoo.. the LUG had two dual athlon rigs that compiled for our P3 and Centrino laptops.. |
| 12:09.22 | mXr | faust: afaik if it would work with distcc, it would just work locally aswell, since distcc requires a local "compile setup" |
| 12:09.29 | themill | !ks |
| 12:09.38 | geo-rge | tamiya: waduzido? |
| 12:09.38 | tamiya | 'ks' was accidentally executed with no results instead of 'ls' |
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| 12:09.51 | mXr | faust: yeah well if you HAVE a 64bit cpu (and a 64bit system) its no problem, but the other way round is what gives me headaches :) |
| 12:10.13 | geo-rge | tamiya: computer didn't fall on cat? |
| 12:10.35 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Yeah, I'm progressing. I've used linux for a long time :) Just haven't had to upgrade such an old distro before, though. :) |
| 12:10.50 | azeem | tamiya: man ks would tell you more about it |
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| 12:11.07 | dutchfish | SoulChild, dont mix up framebuffer res with resolution, use videomode for booting in the right farmebuffer modus |
| 12:11.39 | tamiya | geo-rge: i was showing an even more junior sysadmin how to carry out a task on a production SCO box and she typed in ks instead of ls and it executed!!! there is no manual page for ks :( |
| 12:11.46 | harpal | I have upgrade debian 3.1 to 4.0 and When I start my display it shows me error http://pastebin.com/m70bd6545 and than I have restarted my system now I cant boot in to system and its giving me error |
| 12:12.02 | Eshat | Hey i have no frambuffer device like "/dev/fb0" any ideas why??? |
| 12:12.04 | themill | tamiya: ks is often a typo of ls ... |
| 12:12.33 | geo-rge | tamiya: is ks a shell alias? |
| 12:12.35 | tamiya | themill: if thats the case i will try another ks tomorrow on my home folder |
| 12:12.53 | azeem | tamiya: this channel is about Debian, not SCO |
| 12:12.59 | tamiya | i don't know... i'm only a junior unix admin myself! the senior admin didnt know either |
| 12:13.18 | tamiya | azeem: i know... but there is no dedicated SCO channel |
| 12:13.24 | geo-rge | tamiya: echo $SHELL |
| 12:13.29 | kryptoz | tamiya: try 'alias' which will show u the list of aliases. |
| 12:13.37 | azeem | tamiya: that doesn't mean you should ask here |
| 12:13.38 | tamiya | and i figured if there is an experienced UNIX admin it doesn't matter what flavour |
| 12:13.58 | tamiya | azeem: calm down |
| 12:14.06 | tamiya | thanks geo-rge |
| 12:14.11 | tamiya | i'll try that out tomorrow |
| 12:14.12 | Eshat | How do i update my /dev/ folder ? |
| 12:14.20 | azeem | Eshat: why do you need to |
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| 12:14.35 | geo-rge | tomorrow? oh, so you're not at the machine now? |
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| 12:14.37 | Eshat | azeem cause i have no framebuffer device in there |
| 12:14.44 | tamiya | now... its a work machine |
| 12:15.09 | tamiya | no.. its a work machine |
| 12:15.33 | tamiya | i've tried googling it but couldn't find anything |
| 12:16.09 | geo-rge | and you;re not at work or in any other situation where you would be able to shell into that machine? |
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| 12:16.21 | zseb54 | hello, |
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| 12:16.22 | azeem | geo-rge, tamiya: please take this elsewhere |
| 12:16.23 | kryptoz | tamiya: when you said the command "ks" executed you meant it didnt show any error messages ? |
| 12:16.48 | zseb54 | Do you know what methods exist to implement "password aging" ? |
| 12:16.56 | masterz | Does anybody know why metakit is missing in testing? |
| 12:17.00 | azeem | zseb54: look at pam, I guess |
| 12:17.02 | zseb54 | it's a general question about security |
| 12:17.06 | tamiya | kryptoz: yes |
| 12:17.09 | zseb54 | pam ? |
| 12:17.20 | kryptoz | beats me .. should be an alias .. |
| 12:17.25 | tamiya | kryptoz: yes, that is correct. it executed and returned no results to the screen |
| 12:17.36 | lordrich | !why is metakit not in testing |
| 12:17.36 | dpkg | metakit is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=metakit |
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| 12:17.49 | tamiya | SCO Openserver is System V I believe |
| 12:18.11 | geo-rge | metakit is not available in Debian |
| 12:18.25 | zseb54 | azeem: what is pam ? |
| 12:18.41 | lordrich | !pam |
| 12:18.41 | dpkg | from memory, pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 12:18.42 | fredl | hi, I have an oldie AMD K7 mainboard with a via686a chipset. I set up the i2c devices with sensors-detect and the 'sensors' command works. |
| 12:19.09 | geo-rge | yay |
| 12:19.16 | fredl | however, when I run pwmconfig, it says 'There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed' |
| 12:19.30 | zseb54 | ok but it's a general question just to know if there is "method" for password aging |
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| 12:19.53 | masterz | but libmetakit2.4.9.3c2 is available in unstable! |
| 12:20.17 | geo-rge | so it has bugs sufficient to keep it out of testing |
| 12:20.46 | azeem | zseb54: man 7 pam |
| 12:20.59 | masterz | ok, but akregator seems to need it to work, though this does not reflected in dependencies |
| 12:21.21 | pingouin | i've apt-get update , apt-get upgrade my Debian/Etch, there was some update for x, now i get : Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual when i want to launch ut2K4 :/ |
| 12:21.26 | dutchfish | fredl, did you save the modules it found with sensor-detect? i.e. /etc/modules (is it in?) |
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| 12:21.56 | fredl | dutchfish, yup, and those modules are currently loaded too. |
| 12:22.07 | pingouin | is is possible to go back to previous version after an update ? |
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| 12:22.13 | fredl | (hence 'sensors' works) |
| 12:22.35 | dutchfish | fredl, hold on i check something for you |
| 12:22.40 | fredl | 'k |
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| 12:23.17 | Arafangion | Generally, what are the reasons why various packages are "kept back"? |
| 12:23.29 | fredl | dutchfish, I loaded via686a with a force_addr=0x06000 but I'm not sure if that's a logical thing to do. |
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| 12:23.58 | fredl | it's just something I tried after googling thinking it might help |
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| 12:24.07 | Aleksej | Some control key combinations are repeating again. :( xev doesn't show them repeating. And they are not repeating anymore. |
| 12:24.11 | dutchfish | fredl, you got permission denied on items when you run pwmconfig? |
| 12:24.13 | fredl | but it appears to make no difference whatsoever |
| 12:24.31 | fredl | dutchfish, nope, doing it as root and don't get any permission denied |
| 12:25.02 | fredl | sensors says (I think) it's talking to the via686: |
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| 12:25.07 | fredl | root@flare:~# sensors |
| 12:25.07 | fredl | via686a-isa-6000 |
| 12:25.08 | dutchfish | fredl, running 2.6.18-5? |
| 12:25.15 | themill | pingouin: what hardware do you have? |
| 12:25.22 | fredl | 2.6.17 |
| 12:25.33 | dutchfish | fredl, could be a kernel issue |
| 12:25.36 | Aleksej | repeating again. :/ |
| 12:25.46 | fredl | hmm |
| 12:25.48 | xdr | how can I find out what kind of memory I use? |
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| 12:25.56 | geo-rge | look box |
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| 12:26.27 | dutchfish | fredl, i had this ones on an amd box, running amd? |
| 12:26.46 | fredl | yeah it's an AMD CPU |
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| 12:27.13 | dutchfish | fredl, i would file this as a bug, in my humble opion, it is |
| 12:27.27 | dutchfish | fredl, i try a newer kernel |
| 12:28.09 | fredl | that'd be a stretch I think, I tried this years ago with similar results, never cared enough to fix it but now I got this thing running as a server near my living room and it's NOISY |
| 12:28.28 | jelly-home | fredl: in my experience lm_sensors support was always been spotty |
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| 12:28.52 | jelly-home | fredl: you could try mbmon, perhaps |
| 12:29.04 | fredl | mbmon? hmm |
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| 12:29.26 | dutchfish | jelly-home, fredl or try freq-utils for stepping down cpu, i did with quiet good results |
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| 12:30.00 | fredl | I'll try both |
| 12:30.17 | fredl | does stepping down the cpu work if the fan control isn't working to begin with? |
| 12:30.20 | jelly-home | fredl: I don't think it does pwm-based fan speed settings, but it might be able to read sensors |
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| 12:30.40 | fredl | well I can read the sensors... |
| 12:30.44 | dutchfish | fredl, my bios has autospeed for fans, so i only need it to get less hot |
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| 12:31.11 | fredl | does mbmon try to do pwm fancontrol? |
| 12:31.21 | themill | xdr: look for the name stenciled on it ;) or try the command dmidecode... |
| 12:31.25 | phz114n | "FATAL: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.22-2007-09-09/modules.dep" flashes by multiple times during Linux boot. The system seems to work fine though, the modules.dep-file exists and is updated (depmod -a?). Kernel compiled with make-kpkg with the "--initrd" flag. Any ideas? |
| 12:32.51 | jelly-home | phz114n: maybe the modules.dep is missing in the initramfs image? |
| 12:33.31 | geo-rge | phz114n: what is the exact location of this modules.dep? what is your uname -r? |
| 12:33.36 | dutchfish | phz114n, first manually create the apprpriate dir in /lib/modules/ then run depmod |
| 12:33.51 | geo-rge | ls /lib/modules | wc -l |
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| 12:34.22 | phz114n | uname -r: 2.6.22.6-2007-09-09 |
| 12:34.38 | dutchfish | phz114n, yup |
| 12:34.40 | phz114n | ls /lib/modules | wc -l: 4 |
| 12:34.41 | geo-rge | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:34.51 | SoulChild | Hey all ,... i want a higher resoloution during boot ,.... how do i do this ,... is there another way than the vga parameter ??? |
| 12:35.03 | phz114n | cat /etc/debian_version: lenny/sid |
| 12:35.07 | fredl | doesn't look like mbmon does pwm based fancontrol |
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| 12:35.17 | geo-rge | phz114n: can you put all four names in /lib/modules on one line here? |
| 12:35.18 | dutchfish | fredl, nope |
| 12:35.43 | fredl | ugh then what good is it :P |
| 12:35.51 | phz114n | geo-rge: 2.6.20.6.070411fb-med.fb.1 2.6.20.6-2007-09-09 2.6.20.6-070709-med.fb.1 2.6.22.6-2007-09-09 |
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| 12:36.05 | fredl | however, it does say it sees the VIA686 and that it uses it directly |
| 12:36.16 | geo-rge | phz114n: so do you build your own kernels? :) |
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| 12:37.00 | fredl | so the only problem is that somehow my system won't do pwm *grmbl* |
| 12:37.17 | phz114n | Yeah, I did it "manually" before but I've switched to make-kpkg quite recently |
| 12:37.27 | dutchfish | fredl, i would check on a newer kernel first before to jump into conclusions |
| 12:37.48 | dutchfish | fredl, on etch? |
| 12:37.50 | fastputty | how do i put my user into a group? |
| 12:37.59 | fredl | nope, ubuntu feisty |
| 12:38.02 | fredl | ehr |
| 12:38.04 | geo-rge | phz114n: do you feed "--initrd" to make-kpkg? |
| 12:38.06 | fredl | ubuntu edgy |
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| 12:38.33 | dion | how do I make my system run a dns_update script each time dhcp leases are updated? |
| 12:38.37 | dutchfish | fredl, (this was offtopic) but i recommend you to check ubuntu channel first |
| 12:38.42 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 12:38.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 12:38.45 | phz114n | geo-rge: Yeah, I do that |
| 12:38.56 | fredl | dutchfish, I did, but most of the time people on #ubuntu are clueless |
| 12:39.04 | fastputty | what is the command to add a user into a group |
| 12:39.11 | xand | gpasswd -a user group |
| 12:39.18 | fastputty | ok thanks |
| 12:39.22 | dion | should I ask at #dhclient ? |
| 12:39.27 | liable | adduser user group |
| 12:39.49 | geo-rge | phz114n: ok, you said earlier your modules.dep is created... what dir does it appear in exactly? |
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| 12:40.00 | geo-rge | (and please check to make sure it's there) |
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| 12:40.49 | phz114n | geo-rge: /lib/modules/2.6.22.6-2007-09-09/modules.dep exists and seems to update when I run "depmod -a" |
| 12:41.10 | sts | hello folks. I'm trying to compile my own version of suexec but it seems to ignore my changes. when i run ./suexec -V is till see the docroot in /var/www. does anybody know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 12:41.19 | geo-rge | and yet it says that exact file at that exact path does not exist |
| 12:41.30 | K0brik | sts: you need to run as root |
| 12:41.42 | sts | K0brik: run what as root? make? |
| 12:41.50 | K0brik | sts: make install |
| 12:42.10 | geo-rge | but why are you not building this as a package? |
| 12:42.33 | K0brik | sts: also remember to read the README concerning suexe user file |
| 12:42.36 | phz114n | geo-rge: Building what as a package? |
| 12:42.45 | geo-rge | sorry, that was to sts |
| 12:42.49 | phz114n | geo-rge: OK :-) |
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| 12:43.00 | K0brik | sts: you don't want any user to be allowed using it |
| 12:43.59 | phz114n | Someone mentioned that maybe the modules.dep-file was missing fron the Initrd. If that is the case, how do I rectify that, and should it really be able to happen using make-kpkg --initrd? |
| 12:44.06 | geo-rge | sts: can you get the debianized source of suexec and alter that, rebuild the package and install that? |
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| 12:45.09 | K0brik | how do I make my system run a dns_update script each time dhcp leases are updated, anyone or another channel? |
| 12:45.30 | geo-rge | phz114n: I'm not sure how the boot was modified for initrd kernels, but the reason for initrd is to have more flexibility wrt modules and mounting the / filesystem |
| 12:46.03 | sts | geo-rge, K0brik: i got the source from debian. apt-get source apache2 ; cp /usr/include/apache2 . ; cp /usr/include/apr-1.0/ . ; ./configure ; cd support ; vim suexec.h ; make suexec |
| 12:46.03 | K0brik | dhcp enter-hook or something? |
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| 12:46.12 | sts | geo-rge, K0brik thats basicly what i did. |
| 12:46.36 | xdr | how do I figure out what memory to buy, I don't understand this new fancy stuff :) |
| 12:46.39 | sts | geo-rge: or shall i still apply the debian patch to the source when its downloaded? |
| 12:46.54 | K0brik | sts: sis you edit the file telling which users are allowed to use it? |
| 12:47.02 | K0brik | did not sis |
| 12:47.15 | sts | K0brik: i changed the docroot and the min uid/gid. |
| 12:47.36 | sts | K0brik: which should be /customers and 5000:5000... |
| 12:47.40 | binfalse | sup |
| 12:47.41 | Nighteye | hey |
| 12:48.00 | K0brik | sts: you know more that me now heh |
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| 12:48.31 | geo-rge | sts: is suexec in apache2? |
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| 12:48.54 | sts | K0brik, geo-rge: it's just that the compiled version of this file, when i run 'sudo ./suexec -V' i still see the old configuration (so the debian default) |
| 12:48.54 | dutchfish | geo-rge, yes |
| 12:48.59 | sts | geo-rge: yeah. |
| 12:49.02 | K0brik | sts: a2en suexec perhaps? |
| 12:49.09 | sts | K0brik: it's enabled. |
| 12:49.24 | sts | K0brik: the binary isn't changed from the default one. |
| 12:49.38 | sts | K0brik: i changed the default docroot from /var/www to /customers. |
| 12:50.12 | K0brik | sts: can you paste your httpd conf? |
| 12:50.15 | sts | K0brik: when i compile the file and run suexec by hand i still see the old configuration with /var/www |
| 12:50.17 | binfalse | unsure |
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| 12:50.27 | geo-rge | sts: so you're changing the C source, yes? |
| 12:50.29 | sts | K0brik: this hasn't anything todo with httpd.conf |
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| 12:50.40 | K0brik | sts: are you sure? |
| 12:50.41 | sts | geo-rge: yeah. i'm changing the header file. |
| 12:50.44 | sts | 14:50 < K0brik> sts: are you sure? |
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| 12:51.22 | geo-rge | if suexec is in apache2 and you have the debianized source, then cd out to the root of the apache2 source dir and do: |
| 12:51.24 | sts | K0brik: yeah, because i'm not running it from apache. i just run "./suexec -V" on the shell, which shows you the configuration of the suexec binary. |
| 12:51.26 | K0brik | sts: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/suexec.html ;) |
| 12:51.27 | geo-rge | debian/rules clean |
| 12:51.31 | geo-rge | debian/rules build |
| 12:51.36 | geo-rge | debian/rules binary |
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| 12:51.51 | geo-rge | then install resulting package(s) |
| 12:52.07 | geo-rge | which will be found in .. |
| 12:52.34 | K0brik | --enable-suexec |
| 12:52.34 | K0brik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:53.28 | K0brik | and then again where should I place my dns_update script in /etc/dhclient/enter-hook or something? |
| 12:53.52 | sts | guys! i don't run suexec in apache and i don't wanna compile the whole apache stuff! i just want a custom suexec binary so i can change some default of suexec. like the directory tree under which you can execute stuff. etc. |
| 12:54.24 | K0brik | sts: are you sure you aren't looking for fakeroot or sudo? |
| 12:54.39 | sts | K0brik: no thats what suexec is for.... |
| 12:54.41 | geo-rge | phz114n, so we know what the problem is but not what's causing it |
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| 12:55.57 | geo-rge | sts: that's fine... do what you want of course... but the risk you take is next time it's upgraded your suexec might be overwritten |
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| 12:56.25 | geo-rge | you'd be breaking the maintainability of debian in general |
| 12:56.41 | K0brik | sts: you are not using it with apache? |
| 12:56.42 | dutchfish | geo-rge, not if you pin it properly |
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| 12:57.17 | phz114n | geo-rge: Yah, I guess it has something to do with modules.dep not being available in the initramfs-image. How can I check if it is the case and add it if it's truly missing? |
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| 12:57.43 | sts | omg. |
| 12:57.52 | geo-rge | maybe you could run depmod -a earlier |
| 12:58.02 | sts | K0brik: i'm going to use it with apache. |
| 12:58.14 | sts | K0brik: but until now i just compile the binary. |
| 12:58.45 | K0brik | sts: I think I lost some of your messages lol. |
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| 12:59.01 | sts | geo-rge: no. if i put the binary somewhere else than /usr/lib/apache2/suexec[2] it won't get upgraded. |
| 12:59.10 | K0brik | sts: can't you just use the precompiled package? |
| 12:59.15 | sts | K0brik: no |
| 12:59.32 | sts | K0brik: because the binary doesn't suite our environment. |
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| 12:59.58 | phz114n | geo-rge: I thought of that, but I guess I can't run it before I "dpkg -i":d the kernel package, and the initramfs-image is created at the same time as the package is created I guess..? |
| 13:00.02 | K0brik | sts: I bet you can get it working with the apache-dev package then. excuse me |
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| 13:00.33 | geo-rge | phz114n: yes, that is when the initrd image is created |
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| 13:00.57 | eleftherios | anyone knows how I can get the functionality of network-manager-gnome now that it has been replaced with network-manager? I have no front-end for it and wireless has stopped working. |
| 13:01.27 | SoulChild | this is strange ,... my video card does not work with the vesa driver anymore ,.. could this be the reason why i can#t change my resouloution with the vga boot parameter in grub ??? |
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| 13:01.58 | themill | eleftherios: it hasn't been replaced, it's been split -- instal network-manager-gnome |
| 13:02.09 | K0brik | where should I ask dhclient questions? |
| 13:02.13 | sts | dutchfish: do you know how do compile it? |
| 13:02.32 | phz114n | I thought of running update-initramfs now, but it complains that such an image already exists in /boot. I guess I could delete it and try again and see if it helps |
| 13:02.38 | K0brik | sts: do you get any errors? |
| 13:02.40 | dutchfish | sts, at the top of my hat you need to do it in fakeroot |
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| 13:03.28 | geo-rge | eleftherios: there is always the possibility of using a text editor and editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:03.28 | sts | dutchfish: why? |
| 13:03.28 | dutchfish | sts, cant remember is 2 years ago |
| 13:03.37 | themill | geo-rge: editing /e/n/i all the time isn't a good option for laptop users ;) |
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| 13:04.04 | geo-rge | fakeroot places wedges so that it can run chown |
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| 13:04.19 | K0brik | dhclient are something secret or unknown to debian folks? |
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| 13:04.24 | sts | hm. when i run make i get the following: /usr/share/apr-1.0/build/libtool --silent --mode=link i486-linux-gnu-gcc -pipe -Wall -g -O2 -pthread -o suexec suexec.lo |
| 13:04.34 | geo-rge | themill: possibly you could have multiple setups |
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| 13:05.16 | Drk_Guy | Hey guys! |
| 13:05.22 | Drk_Guy | What's Up? |
| 13:05.23 | sts | afterwards when i run ./suexec -V i still get: -D AP_DOC_ROOT="/var/www", tho i edited suexec.h and changed #define AP_DOC_ROOT "/customers" |
| 13:05.27 | eleftherios | geo-rge: no this is like going back to the cave. With network-manager-gnome I had a nice tray, a list of wireless networks around, caching of passwords. WHy did all these things go? |
| 13:05.39 | Drk_Guy | I have a little problem here anyways |
| 13:05.41 | eleftherios | oh and I never had to configure anything |
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| 13:06.01 | eleftherios | so if the package got replaced, what replaced it? |
| 13:06.02 | K0brik | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf or something |
| 13:06.08 | Drk_Guy | I have all kde deb's in my thumb-stick, how can i make aptitude to install them from there? |
| 13:06.39 | geo-rge | sts: grep files for /var/www to see where it sets that |
| 13:06.48 | Drk_Guy | How can i add my thumb-stick to the repos |
| 13:06.50 | Drk_Guy | =? |
| 13:07.03 | Drk_Guy | As if it were another cd, like the debian one |
| 13:07.05 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: is there a Packages file in there? |
| 13:07.10 | Drk_Guy | Nope |
| 13:07.14 | Drk_Guy | Pure deb's |
| 13:07.18 | geo-rge | then you can't... just install the debs |
| 13:07.23 | Drk_Guy | I got it |
| 13:07.44 | Drk_Guy | Aptoncd should build the packages.gz for me |
| 13:07.58 | liable | eleftherios: network-manager replaced it |
| 13:07.59 | Drk_Guy | Then i just mount the iso, and tadah! |
| 13:08.28 | K0brik | I only need to run the dns_update when a new lease is acquired |
| 13:08.32 | eleftherios | liable: yes, I have that |
| 13:08.35 | Drk_Guy | Don't you think that's viable geo-rge ? |
| 13:08.41 | ivx | hi, is DMRAID the best way to do software raid in etch? |
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| 13:08.48 | eleftherios | liable: it has no front-end |
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| 13:09.00 | xdr | anyone got a clue why mp3s won't play as a user? |
| 13:09.05 | hark | eleftherios: network-manager-gnome is a separate package now |
| 13:09.16 | K0brik | xdr: what player are you using? |
| 13:09.24 | xdr | K0brik: various |
| 13:09.29 | themill | geo-rge: sounds a lot like reinventing the wheel. ifplugd+guessnet works but it's a pain compared to nm, esp for wireless. |
| 13:09.35 | K0brik | xdr: gstreamer players? |
| 13:09.41 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: does it work? I mean I guess you could also use dpkg-scanpackages too |
| 13:09.42 | xdr | K0brik: won't work with either mpg321 or mp3blaster |
| 13:09.55 | Drk_Guy | dpkg-scanpackages, geo-rge ? |
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| 13:09.57 | Drk_Guy | wow |
| 13:10.03 | Drk_Guy | Never heard of it |
| 13:10.14 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: read its man page and have fun :) |
| 13:10.29 | K0brik | xdr: you need to be a member of the audio group I guess |
| 13:10.37 | Drk_Guy | Scanning |
| 13:10.42 | Drk_Guy | Thanks geo-rge |
| 13:10.47 | Drk_Guy | You're always helpful |
| 13:11.05 | Drk_Guy | geo-rge: Binary dir /media/usbstick not found |
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| 13:11.24 | geo-rge | if I make people think, I feel that's the best I can do |
| 13:11.26 | Drk_Guy | Got an error on the route |
| 13:11.27 | atealtha | I ran `alsaconf`to install my audigy drivers but on some boots my system "chooses" the onboard sound modules and leaves audigy unusable. This happens even if I disable it in the BIOS. What can I do? |
| 13:11.31 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: read its man page and have fun :) |
| 13:11.34 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 13:11.35 | xdr | K0brik: thx, I'm not to well atm :) |
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| 13:11.49 | K0brik | xdr: did it work? |
| 13:11.51 | hark | !own repo |
| 13:11.51 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
| 13:12.02 | K0brik | xdr: can you play mp3 as root? |
| 13:12.06 | K0brik | ;) |
| 13:12.42 | xdr | K0brik: yes, but it seems that it wasn't the privileges that was the issue |
| 13:12.48 | xdr | upgrading alsa-libs |
| 13:12.57 | geo-rge | hark: that seems to be a little different from what he wants to do... he should still read the page |
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| 13:14.00 | xdr | K0brik: fixed it |
| 13:14.21 | K0brik | weee |
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| 13:14.47 | hark | sure, install funny-manpages and man rtfm :) |
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| 13:16.54 | vaq | Can I specifiy which files / directory's I want to untar from a tar file? |
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| 13:17.22 | JoyFM | hi |
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| 13:17.32 | Dewi | I'm getting slowness from 2 machines called ftp.us.debian.org |
| 13:17.35 | Dewi | what's a good mirror to use? |
| 13:17.42 | BR_ | vaq: yes, just specifiy them: eg. tar -zxf file.tar.gz ./file/to/extract |
| 13:17.55 | JoyFM | has anyone a page wich has some information about administer clients from a server? |
| 13:17.56 | BR_ | Dewi: depends where you are... |
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| 13:18.11 | BR_ | Dewi: tried ftp.au.debian.org? |
| 13:18.15 | dutchfish | who was trying to compile suxec again? |
| 13:18.26 | JoyFM | upgrade/install packages; changing configuration files and so on |
| 13:18.42 | Dewi | BR_: this machine is somewhere like virginia |
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| 13:19.04 | themill | Dewi: ahh... we just did a /whois on you, hence the .au suggestion ;) |
| 13:19.11 | abrotman | Dewi: there are a few mirrors in .au .. try those |
| 13:19.12 | Dewi | :) |
| 13:19.28 | abrotman | Dewi: oh .. uhm .. hrm |
| 13:19.38 | Dewi | it's odd |
| 13:19.43 | Dewi | when I open the socket |
| 13:19.45 | Dewi | biiiig delay |
| 13:19.58 | Dewi | kind of thing you get from an rDNS timing out |
| 13:20.03 | Dewi | except my rDNS should be fine |
| 13:20.06 | abrotman | Dewi: just pick another mirror in the states |
| 13:20.10 | vaq | BR_: are you sure? |
| 13:20.22 | BR_ | vaq: yes if you get the filename right :) |
| 13:20.30 | BR_ | vaq: it will still have to read the whole archive right. |
| 13:20.31 | vaq | BR_: it says when i do: tar -zxf file.tar.gz ./var/: tar: /var: Not found in archive |
| 13:20.38 | vaq | BR_: and i know it is in there. |
| 13:20.50 | themill | vaq: the leading / is normally stripped |
| 13:20.58 | BR_ | vaq: tar -ztf file.tar.gz | grep var |
| 13:21.06 | themill | vaq: you can tar -ztf file.tar.gz to list the contents |
| 13:21.09 | BR_ | make sure its called './var/' exactly. |
| 13:21.11 | liable | eleftherios: are you in netdev group? |
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| 13:21.13 | Drk_Guy | geo-rge: I've read the man page, but i still don't understand |
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| 13:21.39 | themill | Drk_Guy: yep, sounds like you really did read the man page. (that's normal ;) |
| 13:21.48 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: so nothing has changed at all? |
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| 13:21.53 | vaq | BR_: tar -xf file.tar.gz ./var did the trick |
| 13:22.03 | vaq | sorry ./var |
| 13:22.11 | vaq | .var/* |
| 13:22.11 | Drk_Guy | I put on the route of the Nope geo-rge |
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| 13:22.42 | Drk_Guy | Sorry, i put the route of the usbstick, but it throws out an error |
| 13:22.54 | Drk_Guy | I'll pastebin it |
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| 13:23.21 | geo-rge | an error? |
| 13:23.24 | liable | eleftherios: are you in netdev group? |
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| 13:24.02 | eleftherios | eleftherios@martian:~$ groups |
| 13:24.02 | eleftherios | eleftherios dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 13:24.29 | Drk_Guy | geo-rge: http://www.pastebin.ca/690173 |
| 13:24.32 | liable | well, it just worked for me.. |
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| 13:25.18 | Drk_Guy | :S |
| 13:25.21 | geo-rge | ok, so this is a perl script |
| 13:25.24 | liable | eleftherios: have you just added yourself to that group? |
| 13:25.35 | eleftherios | liable: no, I have always been :-) |
| 13:25.43 | Drk_Guy | geo-rge: And... |
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| 13:26.47 | liable | yah, no nda's for the ati drivers after all |
| 13:26.57 | themill | Drk_Guy: you didn't specify the override file on the command line. it's a non-optional argument. |
| 13:27.10 | Drk_Guy | what should i specify then? |
| 13:27.20 | Drk_Guy | I have nothign to specify there |
| 13:27.26 | Drk_Guy | *nothing |
| 13:27.42 | en1gma | morning all |
| 13:28.02 | themill | Drk_Guy: then just create an empty file and specify it |
| 13:28.16 | Drk_Guy | An empty file? |
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| 13:28.20 | Drk_Guy | :S |
| 13:28.33 | geo-rge | you want this on your stick, yes? |
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| 13:29.55 | Drk_Guy | Yep geo-rge |
| 13:29.55 | geo-rge | where is your usb stick mounted presently? |
| 13:30.16 | Drk_Guy | "/media/usbdisk/ |
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| 13:30.30 | geo-rge | ok, cd /media/usbdisk |
| 13:30.50 | geo-rge | touch override |
| 13:30.56 | Drk_Guy | Wait, the empty override file is working |
| 13:30.58 | en1gma | im having problems with my linksys wcg200 cable-modem/router/gateway. i was reading http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46172 and seen he has a link http://www.geocities.com/zabb65/cablemodem.txt to a test he did on his....WHAT is the program he did that test with |
| 13:31.25 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: this might not work if you're not with me |
| 13:31.31 | Drk_Guy | Ok... |
| 13:31.50 | Drk_Guy | So scanpackages is doing nothing, right? |
| 13:32.03 | Drk_Guy | ok |
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| 13:32.17 | Drk_Guy | Got cd'ed |
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| 13:32.40 | geo-rge | if (a) you get no information from reading that man page and (b) you do things that I cannot see, then it won't work (well it might, but right now you're saying you don't know what you're doing so, stay with me) |
| 13:33.08 | Drk_Guy | Ok geo-rge |
| 13:33.13 | geo-rge | are all the debs there when you ls? |
| 13:33.15 | Drk_Guy | You're the man |
| 13:33.28 | Drk_Guy | All fo 'em |
| 13:33.34 | Drk_Guy | inclusing wget... |
| 13:33.39 | geo-rge | ok, then do this: |
| 13:33.52 | Drk_Guy | (wow, i didn't know kebian needed other instance of wget) |
| 13:34.27 | geo-rge | touch override |
| 13:34.44 | Drk_Guy | ok... |
| 13:34.50 | geo-rge | dpkg-scanpackages . override > Packages |
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| 13:34.59 | geo-rge | gzip Packages |
| 13:35.23 | azeem | en1gma: why the hell do you think this question is on topic here? |
| 13:35.24 | geo-rge | do those things, then copy these steps |
| 13:35.37 | geo-rge | read the man page again afterwards |
| 13:35.38 | Drk_Guy | "Binary dir .override not found" |
| 13:36.00 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: read more carefully |
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| 13:36.32 | geo-rge | I put spaces in certain places |
| 13:36.36 | geo-rge | hey that rhymed |
| 13:36.56 | Drk_Guy | wow |
| 13:37.05 | geo-rge | you put spaces in those places too, and wonderful things will happen to you |
| 13:37.07 | themill | he's a poet and he doesn't know it |
| 13:37.16 | Drk_Guy | the white baackground distoreted everythign |
| 13:37.30 | Drk_Guy | Ok... |
| 13:37.35 | Drk_Guy | working on it |
| 13:37.39 | GutterPunk | I was wondering if the php4-imagick package is broken? In phpinfo, next to supported formats it just states "tmp". I was expecting a bunch of file formats like jpg, png,... |
| 13:37.39 | geo-rge | worked this time? :) |
| 13:38.03 | Drk_Guy | scanpackages is silently working... |
| 13:38.16 | Drk_Guy | nothing is beign printed on |
| 13:38.47 | Drk_Guy | Is it normal he takes THIS long? |
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| 13:38.51 | geo-rge | the archive is sensitive to where you are cded to |
| 13:38.59 | geo-rge | probably your usb stick is slow |
| 13:39.06 | Drk_Guy | maybe |
| 13:39.22 | capiira | anyone know a way to search for duplicate words in a file ? |
| 13:39.27 | Drk_Guy | but, take in account, there are more than 150 packages there |
| 13:39.29 | geo-rge | the packages file will have paths in it |
| 13:39.44 | Drk_Guy | The whole kde for debian is there |
| 13:39.48 | phz114n | OK, about the boot message about modules.dep being unable to load: I updated the initrd-image after running depmod again, and same problem occurs. I'm ready to stop caring about it now, have been googling, sitting here, reading forum posts and howtos and trying own methods for most part of the day now without solving it. I'm ready to stop caring now :-) |
| 13:39.58 | Drk_Guy | Got it |
| 13:40.14 | Drk_Guy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.20 | Drk_Guy | Cool!!!! |
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| 13:40.25 | Drk_Guy | Thanks dood |
| 13:40.34 | geo-rge | check that file |
| 13:40.44 | geo-rge | does it contain the stuff? |
| 13:41.06 | geo-rge | dont thank me yet, we're not done :P |
| 13:41.16 | Drk_Guy | Now, how Yep |
| 13:41.22 | Drk_Guy | *Yep |
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| 13:41.30 | joey[] | is there a tool which can help me choose network source for packages like during the installation? So I don't have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually. |
| 13:41.38 | Drk_Guy | Now, i compressed the packages file |
| 13:41.43 | geo-rge | right |
| 13:41.45 | Drk_Guy | So, how i add it to the repos |
| 13:41.47 | Drk_Guy | =? |
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| 13:42.24 | geo-rge | deb file:(where your stick is mounted) ./ |
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| 13:42.39 | geo-rge | write that down |
| 13:42.49 | JoyFM | how is it possible to install i386 packages (from another repository) in a amd64 box? |
| 13:42.56 | azeem | JoyFM: it's not |
| 13:42.58 | Drk_Guy | bash says "cmd not found" |
| 13:43.04 | JoyFM | azeem: why? |
| 13:43.06 | abrotman | JoyFM: you could do it in a chroot .. but if you do it on the native system they won't run |
| 13:43.07 | azeem | JoyFM: use a i386 chroot |
| 13:43.18 | azeem | JoyFM: because they are not binary compatible |
| 13:43.30 | themill | Drk_Guy: that was the entry for the sources.list not a command |
| 13:43.44 | geo-rge | because if you want to do it again on a different machine and yuou mount the stick somewhere else, you'll need that |
| 13:43.50 | JoyFM | but in other distributions its possible to use 32bit and 64bit applications?!? |
| 13:43.54 | geo-rge | do you understand that part? |
| 13:43.58 | abrotman | JoyFM: such as ? |
| 13:44.04 | JoyFM | archlinux |
| 13:44.11 | Drk_Guy | themill: how? |
| 13:44.16 | azeem | JoyFM: then use archlinux if that is a critical use case for you |
| 13:44.22 | Drk_Guy | Could you explain things a lil' more? |
| 13:44.25 | abrotman | JoyFM: they likely have all the libraries for 32bit and 64bit |
| 13:44.30 | JoyFM | yes |
| 13:44.42 | azeem | JoyFM: note that there are some exceptions to this rule, but you cannot install 32bit apps on 64bit Debian *in general* |
| 13:44.44 | themill | Drk_Guy: geo-rge is telling you to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add that line. |
| 13:44.51 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 13:44.55 | Drk_Guy | Ah! |
| 13:45.01 | Drk_Guy | deb must be an editor |
| 13:45.08 | JoyFM | abrotman: so why debian havn't? |
| 13:45.09 | geo-rge | no |
| 13:45.15 | themill | Drk_Guy: no, add that entire line including the deb |
| 13:45.26 | Drk_Guy | ALL of the debs? |
| 13:45.32 | Drk_Guy | No way... |
| 13:45.35 | Drk_Guy | :'( |
| 13:45.37 | geo-rge | ok |
| 13:45.39 | azeem | JoyFM: because it's a huge task |
| 13:45.39 | themill | Drk_Guy: are you running etch? |
| 13:45.41 | Drk_Guy | 479 debs |
| 13:45.46 | geo-rge | thjs is not really getting anywhere |
| 13:45.47 | Drk_Guy | I'm on etch |
| 13:45.51 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 13:45.51 | dpkg | i heard multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
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| 13:46.16 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: what was that thing I showed you that started with deb |
| 13:46.21 | geo-rge | show it back to me |
| 13:46.23 | JoyFM | azeem: archlinux has less developers as debian, but dynno |
| 13:46.29 | JoyFM | its more simple than debian |
| 13:46.44 | themill | Drk_Guy: run this: echo "deb file:/path/to/your/usb/stick ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/local.list |
| 13:46.47 | azeem | JoyFM: probably it also has less packages than Debian, doesn't have to care about backwards-compat |
| 13:46.51 | azeem | +and |
| 13:47.00 | JoyFM | yes its less stable |
| 13:47.09 | JoyFM | and has a BSD-style design |
| 13:47.17 | geo-rge | no response... coffee time :) |
| 13:47.42 | Drk_Guy | ok |
| 13:47.43 | themill | geo-rge: yep... ;) |
| 13:47.49 | themill | !coffee geo-rge |
| 13:48.04 | geo-rge | hey that's the peet's stuff |
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| 13:48.16 | timgoh0 | COFFEE? |
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| 13:48.21 | JoyFM | creating a debian package is much more complicated than creating a arch one ;) |
| 13:48.35 | themill | JoyFM: we don't really care... |
| 13:48.47 | JoyFM | yes i know, debian has other goals |
| 13:49.00 | azeem | we don't really care about archlinux, ratherr |
| 13:49.03 | timgoh0 | Make a directory, stick some random files in, dpkg-buildpackage. Voila. |
| 13:49.06 | timgoh0 | How hard can it be? |
| 13:49.08 | azeem | we care about multiarch, but it's a huge task, see above |
| 13:49.12 | abrotman | JoyFM: see what the bot said above about multiarch |
| 13:49.15 | JoyFM | i like the stabilty of debian |
| 13:49.25 | geo-rge | timgoh0: won't work. |
| 13:49.26 | SlayerXP | debian is boring |
| 13:49.42 | timgoh0 | geo-rge: True. |
| 13:49.44 | geo-rge | SlayerXP: then think of it as Debi An |
| 13:49.50 | Drk_Guy | themill: It printed out nothing |
| 13:49.58 | SlayerXP | geo-rge: I _like_ boring |
| 13:50.02 | JoyFM | but i don't know how to administer a lot of clients in a comfortable way (from a server) |
| 13:50.05 | themill | Drk_Guy: and nor should it. |
| 13:50.15 | geo-rge | mmmm |
| 13:50.15 | Drk_Guy | Kebian is way more exciting than Debian |
| 13:50.21 | azeem | JoyFM: are you asking a question= |
| 13:50.26 | Drk_Guy | themill: Ok... |
| 13:50.27 | timgoh0 | geo-rge: Inflatable Debi An? |
| 13:50.29 | Drk_Guy | What now? |
| 13:50.30 | azeem | JoyFM: if so, I suggest you do it in a straight-forward way |
| 13:50.34 | themill | Drk_Guy: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list.d/local.list for me now? |
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| 13:51.22 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: this is very simple.. when I want you to deal with files that end in .deb, I will say "debian package files" |
| 13:51.23 | Drk_Guy | themill: There is NO local.list there |
| 13:51.36 | Drk_Guy | I know geo-rge |
| 13:51.45 | geo-rge | you didn't before |
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| 13:52.06 | geo-rge | so I'm telling you now... I WILL NOT say "deb" meaning "debian package" |
| 13:52.09 | geo-rge | ok? |
| 13:52.19 | Drk_Guy | ok |
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| 13:52.35 | Drk_Guy | themill: ... |
| 13:52.38 | Drk_Guy | Now what? |
| 13:52.41 | geo-rge | but I will say deb, and it will have a completely different meaning |
| 13:52.58 | Drk_Guy | Ok geo-rge |
| 13:53.00 | Drk_Guy | ¬¬ |
| 13:53.11 | JoyFM | azeem: I know that a lot of entprises use debian, but i don't know how to administer such a lot clients from a server. Do you know more about that task? |
| 13:53.15 | JoyFM | or anyone else? |
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| 13:53.26 | azeem | JoyFM: do you actually need help, or just wonder? |
| 13:53.26 | geo-rge | you're going to put this: "deb file:(where your stick is mounted) ./" into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:53.35 | JoyFM | azeem: i need help |
| 13:53.40 | azeem | what is your problem then |
| 13:53.41 | timgoh0 | JoyFM: You're not being specific about "administer" |
| 13:53.42 | geo-rge | wait, don't do that yet |
| 13:53.46 | JoyFM | some tutorials/howtos/information would be nice |
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| 13:53.56 | geo-rge | themill: what were you saying about this local thing? |
| 13:53.56 | azeem | there's www.debian-administration.org or so |
| 13:54.02 | azeem | which has frequently nice tutorials |
| 13:54.08 | JoyFM | timgoh0: like installing packages, make update or change configuration files |
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| 13:54.23 | azeem | JoyFM: there's FAI |
| 13:54.26 | Drk_Guy | I did what themill said geo-rge |
| 13:54.33 | Drk_Guy | echo "deb... |
| 13:54.36 | azeem | which would be the enterprise solution |
| 13:54.41 | themill | geo-rge: it's a .d/-style way of managing source.lists snippets. |
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| 13:55.05 | geo-rge | ok |
| 13:55.08 | timgoh0 | JoyFM: What azeem said. |
| 13:55.27 | geo-rge | so he's making a new file in the .d dir? |
| 13:55.48 | pintofeggs | guys, what's the default fonts for debian? For example on windows its Arial, helvetica |
| 13:55.59 | geo-rge | (I use m4 for the same thing... but ok :) |
| 13:56.09 | azeem | pintofeggs: there's no such thing |
| 13:56.12 | eleftherios | is there a channel for gnome in debian? |
| 13:56.34 | themill | geo-rge: that was my idea... a one-liner for it. But that seems too difficult... |
| 13:57.11 | Drk_Guy | http://www.pastebin.ca/690225 |
| 13:57.18 | geo-rge | well we don't know what we're dealing with at this time |
| 13:57.29 | Drk_Guy | That's a pastebin with the contents of my /etc/ap/ |
| 13:57.35 | Drk_Guy | */etc/apt/ |
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| 13:58.05 | themill | geo-rge: the file doesn't exist.... carry on as you were... if editing /e/a/sources.list isn't too hard ;) |
| 13:58.19 | JoyFM | azeem: is it possible to administer the clients with FAI or just install? |
| 13:58.24 | Drk_Guy | So? |
| 13:58.32 | Drk_Guy | What should i do now? |
| 13:58.34 | xerophyte | where can i get the jdk package i can not find place to download ? |
| 13:58.37 | themill | geo-rge: or try the .d approach. The file in .d/ must end in .list though. |
| 13:58.43 | azeem | JoyFM: both |
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| 13:59.05 | geo-rge | themill: so the dir is there, does that mean apt-get update will pick up the .list files in that .d? |
| 13:59.15 | themill | geo-rge: yep |
| 13:59.15 | geo-rge | under etch I guess? |
| 13:59.18 | geo-rge | ok |
| 13:59.19 | themill | geo-rge: yep |
| 13:59.23 | azeem | pintofeggs: please don't /msg people, keep it in the chan |
| 13:59.36 | pintofeggs | sorry |
| 13:59.38 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: first we will work with this string |
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| 13:59.47 | Drk_Guy | Wait up |
| 13:59.55 | loesh | hmm, is ther a debian way to install conf-mode in emacs? |
| 13:59.58 | geo-rge | what I want you to do now is look at the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:00.07 | loesh | i remember having it... then loosing it O_o |
| 14:00.27 | Drk_Guy | This is my sources.list |
| 14:00.29 | Drk_Guy | http://www.pastebin.ca/690228 |
| 14:00.40 | geo-rge | you look at that |
| 14:00.49 | geo-rge | what are some things you notice? |
| 14:01.03 | Drk_Guy | there is the usbstick |
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| 14:01.13 | Drk_Guy | I'll check installing kde |
| 14:01.23 | geo-rge | just one sec, slow down |
| 14:01.44 | Drk_Guy | It is asking for the cd |
| 14:01.46 | Drk_Guy | rats |
| 14:01.50 | geo-rge | what else do you notice? do you see lines that start with # |
| 14:01.50 | K0brik | it was the dhclient-script lol. thnx |
| 14:01.58 | Drk_Guy | wait, i'll edit the sources.list |
| 14:02.15 | geo-rge | you're not connecting to what I'm saying |
| 14:02.19 | Drk_Guy | geo-rge: But they're comments |
| 14:02.21 | Drk_Guy | Not places |
| 14:02.23 | geo-rge | yes. |
| 14:02.39 | geo-rge | the lines that are not comments, what do they start with? |
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| 14:02.40 | Drk_Guy | yes? |
| 14:02.58 | Drk_Guy | deb, followed by a protocol |
| 14:03.03 | geo-rge | yes... |
| 14:03.15 | Drk_Guy | file: is a protocol |
| 14:03.21 | themill | heh... lucky I stuck in >> not > in that command for safety.... otherwise you would have wiped out your sources.list ;) |
| 14:03.30 | Drk_Guy | And file is pointing to my usbstick |
| 14:03.43 | Drk_Guy | I must remove my stick when my work is done, right? |
| 14:03.50 | Drk_Guy | And remove the lines |
| 14:03.53 | Drk_Guy | And! |
| 14:03.56 | sander_m | Hello all. I had some problems with Etch's OpenOffice.org (2.0.4) so I tried 2.2 from backports.org, but it's even worse. Now I'm looking for a handy way to get 2.0.4 back. How can I do that? I tried `apt-get -t etch install openoffice.org` but that doesn't work since 2.2 is newer. Is there an easy way to replace all backports packages with the etch/stable packages? |
| 14:04.03 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: probably |
| 14:04.07 | Drk_Guy | Remove the spaces between the lines |
| 14:04.30 | themill | keith4_: You might like to check the scrollback.... |
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| 14:04.46 | geo-rge | well you don't necessarily have to do that... apt-get (which reads sources.list among other files) will happily ignore blank and comment lines |
| 14:04.47 | Drk_Guy | lol themill |
| 14:04.58 | Drk_Guy | ok... |
| 14:05.02 | Drk_Guy | so what now? |
| 14:05.18 | keith4_ | themill: i'd love to, but I missed most of it ;-) |
| 14:05.26 | geo-rge | you -could- comment out the cd lines for now |
| 14:05.44 | themill | !irc archive |
| 14:05.44 | dpkg | This channel is usually archived at http://irc-archive.com/channel/FreeNode/debian and sometimes at http://ircarchive.info/debian/ |
| 14:06.21 | geo-rge | we're archived for posterior! |
| 14:06.37 | keith4_ | themill: oh man, i was hoping to get some work done today... but thanks to you, i won't be |
| 14:06.46 | Drk_Guy | Ok geo-rge |
| 14:06.47 | themill | yep, you can make an ass of yourself... |
| 14:06.49 | Drk_Guy | Commented |
| 14:07.01 | geo-rge | repaste it, let's see what you did |
| 14:07.56 | Drk_Guy | http://www.pastebin.ca/690242 |
| 14:07.57 | geo-rge | are those indexed by google and etc? |
| 14:08.10 | Drk_Guy | Who knows |
| 14:08.23 | Drk_Guy | Google is so powerful |
| 14:08.24 | keith4_ | themill: boo... the archive hasn't caught up yet |
| 14:08.31 | themill | geo-rge: usually. |
| 14:08.33 | Drk_Guy | One should never go against google |
| 14:08.33 | geo-rge | ok, how try apt-get update |
| 14:08.36 | AnyFile | What package should I install to edit ExIf (Extended Information) inside a jpg image. I heard that you can use gimp with a specific plugin. I have gimp install, but I think I have no the plugin. I searched in the package list and found many with interesting name, but I do not know what is the right one (exif, exiftags, libexif-gtk5, libexif12, libkexif1). All of these are about display ExIf... |
| 14:08.37 | AnyFile | ...information, I instead want to edit them. Only speaks of editing, but is it just the library or is it there the program/plugin too? |
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| 14:09.03 | Drk_Guy | updating... |
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| 14:09.20 | techbie | sander_m : you need to remove the package and install it again . |
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| 14:09.23 | geo-rge | do you see it updating on your stick? |
| 14:09.27 | Ronin | geo-rge: am i reading Drk_Guy paste right? he's goign to to mixing and matching 3 releases? |
| 14:09.27 | themill | keith4_: oh well... their bot must have fallen off. They're normally right up to date. |
| 14:09.41 | pintofeggs | what are the fonts generally used on the web for use with debian? |
| 14:09.41 | Ast001 | Hello can you tell me good tutorial for compile kernel |
| 14:09.46 | Drk_Guy | I added all the repos |
| 14:09.51 | geo-rge | Ronin: oh, didn't catch that |
| 14:09.52 | Drk_Guy | What's up with it? |
| 14:09.59 | Drk_Guy | =? |
| 14:10.01 | Drk_Guy | O.O |
| 14:10.09 | keith4_ | AnyFile: i've used jhead successfully in the past |
| 14:10.14 | sander_m | techbie: Okay, but how can I make sure I remove all the packages from backports? Installing OOo 2.2 dragged in a bunch of extra dependencies |
| 14:10.17 | themill | !tell Ast001 about make-kpkg |
| 14:10.25 | Ast001 | I want to go to newest kernel , but I always got KERNEL PANIC when I try to boot in new kernel |
| 14:10.38 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: you want to stay with etch, right? |
| 14:10.42 | Drk_Guy | etch |
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| 14:10.53 | Drk_Guy | O.O |
| 14:10.59 | Drk_Guy | -_- |
| 14:11.01 | geo-rge | so that's a yes? |
| 14:11.05 | Drk_Guy | yep |
| 14:11.08 | Drk_Guy | :S |
| 14:11.17 | geo-rge | ok, so get rid of the sid line |
| 14:11.19 | geo-rge | and |
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| 14:11.26 | Ast001 | thank you |
| 14:11.37 | Drk_Guy | sid got off |
| 14:11.51 | Drk_Guy | Sarge too? |
| 14:11.51 | AnyFile | thanks keith4_, a command line program is even better |
| 14:12.01 | geo-rge | yeah, get rid of that |
| 14:12.03 | Drk_Guy | cmd line rocks!!! |
| 14:12.13 | geo-rge | these debs, what are they from? |
| 14:12.20 | geo-rge | the ones in your stick |
| 14:12.24 | Drk_Guy | From the etch repos |
| 14:12.36 | mmu_man | hi there |
| 14:12.43 | SerajewelKS | my laptop is using the "ati" driver for X. how would i enable opengl vsync with this driver? |
| 14:12.49 | geo-rge | ok, good enough. if that's the case we're fine |
| 14:12.56 | geo-rge | now run apt-get update again |
| 14:13.10 | mmu_man | I installed postgresql-8.1 but it doesn't seem to start... the init.d script checks for /etc/postgresql/8.1 but it doesn't exist |
| 14:13.20 | mmu_man | did I forget something ? |
| 14:13.23 | Drk_Guy | ok updated |
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| 14:13.27 | geo-rge | when you do that, do you see where it updates from your stick? |
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| 14:13.37 | Drk_Guy | (Sarge and sid repos were sooooo big) |
| 14:13.53 | Drk_Guy | Nope geo-rge |
| 14:14.00 | mmu_man | (I'm on etch) |
| 14:14.04 | Drk_Guy | Pure http connections, not file ones |
| 14:14.34 | geo-rge | ok, you should be able to install the packages from the stick |
| 14:14.44 | Drk_Guy | One by one? |
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| 14:14.48 | mmu_man | on dpkg-reconfigure postgresql-common I get: supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 4.0r1 |
| 14:15.00 | Drk_Guy | I want apt to do evrything by itself |
| 14:15.38 | *** part/#debian timgoh0 (n=timgoh0@unaffiliated/timgoh0) |
| 14:15.57 | Drk_Guy | It's still downloading from repos |
| 14:15.58 | geo-rge | if the packages happen to depend on the others that way, then you're good to go... if not, you'll have to run apt-get multiple times |
| 14:16.01 | Drk_Guy | **** |
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| 14:16.17 | Drk_Guy | They are the whole kde |
| 14:16.28 | Drk_Guy | (Inlcuding amarok ;) |
| 14:16.29 | geo-rge | then try apt-get install kde |
| 14:16.39 | Drk_Guy | I'm doing that years ago |
| 14:16.53 | Drk_Guy | But it is still downloading from the repos |
| 14:17.06 | Drk_Guy | Should i change the repo priorities? |
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| 14:17.14 | geo-rge | it's not downloading from the stick? |
| 14:17.27 | Drk_Guy | Nope |
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| 14:17.31 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 14:17.31 | Drk_Guy | From internet |
| 14:17.42 | techbie | sander_m: ? |
| 14:17.48 | geo-rge | is there a particular problem with that? :) |
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| 14:17.59 | Drk_Guy | It's so big |
| 14:18.11 | Drk_Guy | I downloaded it from somewhere else because of that |
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| 14:18.36 | geo-rge | ok, if it's still -downloading- you can hit control-c now |
| 14:18.46 | Drk_Guy | ( already done ) |
| 14:18.56 | geo-rge | normally you would -never- interrupt a package install |
| 14:19.04 | geo-rge | you'll fuck things up |
| 14:19.06 | geo-rge | badly |
| 14:19.07 | Drk_Guy | But it weren't installing |
| 14:19.09 | sander_m | techbie: I figured it out. In Synaptic I seached for "b.p.o" in the version and removed everything that was installed in that search result :-) |
| 14:19.10 | mmu_man | anyone has an idea on pgsql ?? |
| 14:19.13 | Drk_Guy | Only downloading |
| 14:19.13 | geo-rge | right, so that's ok |
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| 14:19.38 | geo-rge | we can try a few different things |
| 14:19.40 | geo-rge | one, |
| 14:19.53 | geo-rge | we can try commenting out everything but the stick |
| 14:19.56 | geo-rge | two, |
| 14:20.20 | geo-rge | we can try moving the deb line for the stick above the deb line for etch |
| 14:20.33 | Drk_Guy | ok} |
| 14:20.50 | geo-rge | because I imagine it's going to want to install other stuff besides the stuff in the stick |
| 14:21.01 | geo-rge | due to package dependencies |
| 14:21.17 | techbie | sander_m: you do not need to remove package manually as aptitude do it for you |
| 14:21.19 | themill | geo-rge: or change prefs based on source.... |
| 14:21.27 | geo-rge | how do you do that? |
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| 14:22.42 | sander_m | techbie: I don't use aptitude. I use apt and synaptic. But I figured it out :-) |
| 14:22.56 | geo-rge | if he changes the order they appear in the sources.list and the versions are the same, |
| 14:23.07 | geo-rge | will it prefer the first source it sees? |
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| 14:23.27 | GarryFre | It would prefer the first source |
| 14:23.35 | geo-rge | ok |
| 14:23.50 | geo-rge | so we do both for now |
| 14:24.13 | geo-rge | and uncomment if it says "but where is that other package?!" |
| 14:24.13 | GarryFre | hee |
| 14:24.15 | GarryFre | h |
| 14:25.15 | themill | geo-rge: man 5 apt_preferences and look for "origin". I believe the "" are a typo. |
| 14:25.47 | themill | geo-rge: or at least " shouldn't be used around the origin. But I don't know how you specify file:/ origins |
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| 14:26.12 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: so for now do both things... move the deb line for the stick up, and comment out all other deb lines |
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| 14:27.02 | geo-rge | the thing is... no matter what, it's going to download the debs from wherever... in this case from the stick... if that's fast, we're good |
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| 14:27.21 | geo-rge | but the dpkg-scanpackages run didn't fill me with confidence :) |
| 14:27.39 | geo-rge | on the other hand it did read -all- of those debs |
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| 14:28.54 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy, how's it going? |
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| 14:29.31 | bobsomebody | is it possible to run debian deb's on ubuntu? |
| 14:29.41 | themill | !lart bobsomebody |
| 14:29.47 | themill | bobsomebody: no. |
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| 14:29.50 | bobsomebody | omfg noes |
| 14:30.08 | bobsomebody | *dodges |
| 14:30.18 | snowbird | bobsomebody, read google go to ubuuntu room |
| 14:30.18 | geo-rge | bobsomebody: one problem with ubuntu is it's generally a fork of debian unstable they work on for 6 months |
| 14:30.22 | themill | bobsomebody: in general, no. not a chance. |
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| 14:30.33 | bobsomebody | well the ubuntu kids dont know shit about compiling |
| 14:30.34 | geo-rge | room?! |
| 14:30.48 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 14:30.48 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 14:30.48 | Ronin | bobsomebody: not really our problem |
| 14:30.49 | snowbird | nursery room |
| 14:30.55 | snowbird | kindergarden |
| 14:31.21 | bobsomebody | Ronin, i will concede that much :) |
| 14:31.23 | \amethyst | bobsomebody: Try the simple sid backport instructions, they should work for compiling on ubuntu *if* all the necessary development libraries are present |
| 14:31.23 | azeem | themill: you might think it's an FAQ, but it's really not that unreasonable to expect that, from an iexperienced POV |
| 14:31.39 | bobsomebody | im just here to find if its possible somehow |
| 14:31.56 | geo-rge | bobsomebody: you can build the packages from their source |
| 14:31.59 | bobsomebody | \amethyst, the libraries are where i get lost |
| 14:32.09 | bobsomebody | i have the packages |
| 14:32.12 | themill | azeem: I know. that... the larting was probably a bit hasty... sorry bobsomebody |
| 14:32.27 | \amethyst | bobsomebody: you need the devel libraries too... that's what apt-get build-dep is for |
| 14:32.39 | bobsomebody | hmmmmm |
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| 14:32.51 | themill | bobsomebody: what is it that you actually want out of ubuntu? |
| 14:32.54 | bobsomebody | see because i was doing apt-cache search and just looking for the best match |
| 14:33.19 | bobsomebody | themill, cvoicecontrol is what i want |
| 14:33.27 | geo-rge | along the lines of themill's question... what attracted you to these debian packages? |
| 14:33.40 | bobsomebody | i would like to go to a true debian some day, just havent had the time to play |
| 14:33.56 | bobsomebody | and i am still getting my feet wet using linux |
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| 14:34.12 | geo-rge | learn the shell :) |
| 14:34.14 | bobsomebody | but ive read alot about it in the 7 odd years i been geekin out |
| 14:34.19 | bobsomebody | i know shell commands |
| 14:34.27 | geo-rge | I mean the shell :) |
| 14:34.28 | snowbird | good |
| 14:34.44 | geo-rge | the shell has -serious- power |
| 14:34.44 | bobsomebody | like shell compiling? |
| 14:34.52 | bobsomebody | or scripting? |
| 14:35.01 | bobsomebody | because i can do scripting fairly well |
| 14:35.08 | geo-rge | shell scripting, shell one-liners, the language the shell accepts |
| 14:35.15 | bobsomebody | yeah |
| 14:35.16 | bobsomebody | hehe |
| 14:35.32 | bobsomebody | u should see my talking log file one liner |
| 14:35.33 | geo-rge | very powerful |
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| 14:35.54 | geo-rge | ok, going for coffee |
| 14:35.58 | bobsomebody | its a mess of tail | awk to espeak with regex and all kindsa head aches |
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| 14:36.16 | bobsomebody | cant beat a talking firewall :P |
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| 14:36.44 | bobsomebody | but you will need to ban 1/2 of asia to get sleep at night haha |
| 14:36.48 | bobsomebody | ok anyways |
| 14:36.56 | bobsomebody | i got the tarball |
| 14:37.04 | bobsomebody | and i know the libraries i need |
| 14:37.08 | themill | bobsomebody: grab the src pkg and diff file of the package from ubuntu and look in the file debian/control line for the Build-deps line. |
| 14:37.13 | astate | is there an open source utility that can do a full, but compressed backup of a hard drive, including the bootsector for *complete* backup/restores? |
| 14:37.34 | snowbird | linux ghost |
| 14:37.37 | xrahbertx | hi, when i # netstat -tuapen | grep -v '127.0.0.1' i end up with a this udp result: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* 0 159306 22522/cupsd .... how can i change that since i heard that it is hazardous ? |
| 14:38.08 | bobsomebody | themill, im a little lost with the last |
| 14:38.17 | liable | xrahbertx: who said its dangerous? |
| 14:38.18 | BotaniCar | heard that it is hazardous ??? in what way ? |
| 14:38.21 | bobsomebody | i know the concept, i dont know the command :P |
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| 14:38.25 | astate | thanks snowbird |
| 14:38.33 | liable | xrahbertx: cupsd.conf to change it so it only listens on localhost |
| 14:38.42 | themill | xrahbertx: change it to listen on localhost only in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
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| 14:39.03 | BotaniCar | liable: and if someone legitimly wants to print from remote location ? |
| 14:39.15 | liable | BotaniCar: then they cant |
| 14:39.24 | liable | BotaniCar: but thats his problem |
| 14:39.25 | BotaniCar | liable: then your solution is not :) |
| 14:39.33 | BotaniCar | liable: yoda style :) |
| 14:39.40 | xrahbertx | liable, & themill instead of localhost:631 ? |
| 14:39.58 | liable | BotaniCar: what the hell are you one about? |
| 14:39.59 | xrahbertx | ###:631 |
| 14:40.16 | liable | s/one/on/ |
| 14:40.26 | BotaniCar | liable: one about ? my english is either too poor , or yours is :) |
| 14:40.28 | bobsomebody | themill, so that apt-get build-dep is what i need? |
| 14:40.38 | themill | bobsomebody: there should be a debian/ directory (unless ubuntu sources have renamed that for the fun of it!) in which there is a file called control. That will have a build-deps line that specifies the packages required to build your package. There will also be a rules file which is a makefile that will create the package. |
| 14:40.54 | themill | bobsomebody: apt-get build-dep can only know about debian packages though. |
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| 14:41.07 | snowbird | liable, y set cups like that so only insiders can print |
| 14:41.09 | bobsomebody | so if i have the deb i can build-deb right? |
| 14:41.13 | bobsomebody | in theory that is |
| 14:41.39 | liable | BotaniCar: his initial question seemed to point to the fact that he didnt want cups listening on all ifaces. i gave him an answer. what are you talking about, and why dont you tell him your explanation |
| 14:41.44 | Frostbite | I've just rebooted etch and when I log in I get "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." and my pwd is refused. What would cause this? |
| 14:42.06 | themill | bobsomebody: no. apt-get build-dep requires deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for the repo that contains the source package that you are looking at. |
| 14:42.08 | azeem | bobsomebody: try dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 14:42.18 | azeem | bobsomebody: that'll output a list of missing packages you can isntall |
| 14:42.20 | azeem | install* |
| 14:42.21 | BotaniCar | liable: his initial question seemed to pint he heard a rumor, instead of correcting his wrong info, you disabled his ability to share print jobs :) |
| 14:42.27 | BotaniCar | *point |
| 14:42.34 | bobsomebody | azeem, that might do the trick let me try |
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| 14:43.03 | bobsomebody | oh, while im here |
| 14:43.11 | liable | BotaniCar: i suggest you read my first respnse, then the second |
| 14:43.40 | bobsomebody | is there a single cd install for debian? |
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| 14:44.10 | bobsomebody | or can i use the first $x cd's of the 40-50 i saw? |
| 14:44.19 | liable | BotaniCar: anyway, he seems to have dissapeared and now its just you and i ranting about it. so I shall stop ;) |
| 14:44.22 | azeem | bobsomebody: you can use aptitude |
| 14:44.25 | xrahbertx | liable, it hasn´t changed |
| 14:44.34 | bobsomebody | azeem, i dont really like aptitude |
| 14:44.42 | bobsomebody | to much gui garbage going on |
| 14:44.43 | azeem | bobsomebody: then you can use synaptic |
| 14:44.53 | \amethyst | bobsomebody: you can use aptitude without the GUI you know |
| 14:44.54 | azeem | bobsomebody: then use whatever else you want |
| 14:45.00 | azeem | bobsomebody: the point is, you can just install over the network |
| 14:45.04 | azeem | no need to download CDs |
| 14:45.13 | themill | bobsomebody: you can use aptitude as an apt-get replacement. |
| 14:45.19 | bobsomebody | yeah |
| 14:45.21 | themill | !tell bobsomebody about netinstall |
| 14:45.37 | xrahbertx | liable, the udp 0.0.0.... :631 is still on, i even /et/init.d/cupsys reload |
| 14:45.47 | bobsomebody | ah cool link :) |
| 14:46.00 | BotaniCar | liable: i am happy to inform you i accepted your suggestion. Your answer is still funny :) |
| 14:46.06 | techbie | !netinstall |
| 14:46.06 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 14:46.27 | bobsomebody | oh nice |
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| 14:46.37 | bobsomebody | the did move debian/control |
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| 14:48.18 | stiv2k | what is the difference between srand() and rand() ? |
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| 14:48.25 | stiv2k | oops |
| 14:48.34 | xrahbertx | but since my printer ( HP Laserjet 1018 ) is said not to be able to be a Network Printer... do i need cups ? |
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| 14:49.14 | liable | xrahbertx: paste your cupsd.conf |
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| 14:49.21 | Drk_Guy | Guys |
| 14:49.22 | Tominator | hi |
| 14:49.28 | liable | xrahbertx: have you set up a network printer? |
| 14:49.34 | snowbird | xrahbertx, do u got print server? |
| 14:49.39 | Drk_Guy | How can i set kdm to be the defaut dm? |
| 14:49.44 | Tominator | does anybody know, whether there is a channel where I can ask things about festival? |
| 14:49.51 | Drk_Guy | festival? |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | stiv2k: they have man pages :) |
| 14:50.10 | Drk_Guy | Tominator: Don't you mean feisty? |
| 14:50.15 | themill | BotaniCar: I consider it to be a general bug in the cups packages that they are open to all by default. IMHO it should be localhost unless specifically requested otherwise. But there's a big H in that IMHO and others aren't going to agree with me ;) |
| 14:50.22 | Tominator | speech synthesis |
| 14:50.23 | themill | !info festival |
| 14:50.25 | dpkg | festival: (general multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-21 (sid), Packaged size: 674 kB, Installed size: 1940 kB |
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| 14:50.31 | themill | Drk_Guy: ^^ |
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| 14:50.36 | Drk_Guy | themill: Thanks!!!! |
| 14:50.49 | Drk_Guy | You and geo-rge are the best |
| 14:50.57 | Drk_Guy | lol @feisty |
| 14:51.01 | Tominator | :) |
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| 14:51.24 | Drk_Guy | But i want to set-up kdm as the default dm, how can i do that? |
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| 14:51.45 | themill | Drk_Guy: remove gdm and xdm and it will be. Or update-alternatives |
| 14:51.59 | Drk_Guy | In which file?... |
| 14:51.59 | xrahbertx | liable, no dont need a net work printer ... http://rafb.net/p/JMGIsn87.html |
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| 14:52.31 | xrahbertx | liable, i put # on Listen /var/run/cups/cups.sock |
| 14:52.55 | xrahbertx | just a minute ago |
| 14:53.01 | Drk_Guy | themill? |
| 14:54.41 | liable | xrahbertx: have you got any printers.conf ? |
| 14:55.05 | xrahbertx | liable, ?? where would that be ? |
| 14:55.16 | liable | xrahbertx: in the /etc/cups dir |
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| 14:55.42 | dazjorz | xingu: Hi, are you there? |
| 14:55.49 | themill | Drk_Guy: can't find it atm... must be mistaken about that. You can certainly change the init scripts to do that (I normally just remove gdm ;) |
| 14:56.42 | xrahbertx | liable, printers.conf > http://rafb.net/p/NNgCgX76.html |
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| 14:57.47 | dazjorz | xingu: I'll PM you since you're not there, it seems |
| 14:58.21 | xrahbertx | liable, maybe shared no ? :| |
| 14:58.40 | liable | xrahbertx: paste your nestat -plunt output |
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| 14:59.24 | stiv2k | how can i set my power profile to powersave instead of dynamic |
| 14:59.26 | stiv2k | so it stays at 800 mhz instead of 1600 |
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| 15:00.46 | xrahbertx | liable, netstat -plunt output >http://rafb.net/p/HrXL4L12.html |
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| 15:03.06 | alex^^ | will debian support quad core intels out of the box? |
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| 15:03.50 | \amethyst | alex^^: make sure you use the 686 kernel and not the 486 |
| 15:04.06 | \amethyst | alex^^: (or the amd64 kernel) |
| 15:04.21 | \amethyst | alex^^: etch and up support SMP in the default kernels, except for the -486 versions |
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| 15:04.52 | liable | xrahbertx: i am actually at a loss why its listening to udp. gimme a chance to see if i can find why |
| 15:05.26 | alex^^ | \amethyst, should i do the same for dual core? |
| 15:05.26 | xrahbertx | liable, no prob :D my buddy and i am also puzzled :D |
| 15:05.47 | esaym | How do I change the FQDN? |
| 15:05.56 | mk9238 | How can I load qwerty keyboard layout? (I am using Dvorak.) |
| 15:06.05 | crumblenaut | if i want to limit user's memory usage using limits.conf, what exactly do "data size", "resident set size" and "stack size" relate to? top only seems to show memory usage in MB :) |
| 15:06.05 | et | *scratches head* |
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| 15:06.24 | et | ruby rx-map/proxy.rb => zsh: command not found: ruby |
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| 15:06.31 | \amethyst | alex^^: with any kind of multi-processor machine, you should use something better than the 486 kernel |
| 15:06.32 | Crissi | hello |
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| 15:06.41 | et | aptitude install ruby => Setting up ruby (1.8.2-1) |
| 15:06.45 | Crissi | i need help bvy configuring xsupplicant for use with eap sim |
| 15:06.51 | et | ruby -V => ruby 1.8.6 |
| 15:07.00 | Crissi | i had recompiled xsupplicant to enable eap sim |
| 15:07.16 | Crissi | now i want to know how i can specifiy the sim card access |
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| 15:07.40 | Crissi | i have a pcmcia card with sim card inside (for use with umts) |
| 15:08.03 | Crissi | it has created 3 devices: ttyUSB0,ttyUSB1,ttyUSB2 |
| 15:08.22 | Crissi | how i can specify which is the right one? |
| 15:08.33 | Crissi | or have i use another way? |
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| 15:08.48 | Crissi | as far i know xsupplicant uses pcsc |
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| 15:11.31 | themill | liable: udp port is used for cups browsing (I think). "Browsing off" turns if off (I think) |
| 15:12.33 | themill | liable: tested that and it works. |
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| 15:13.09 | liable | themill: ah. know where thats documented? i am having no luck on this one |
| 15:13.23 | liable | xrahbertx: see what themill just said |
| 15:13.37 | themill | liable: documented by google ;) (yep, it's one of those) I found it at: http://home.swbell.net/berzerke/printing.html |
| 15:13.46 | xrahbertx | liable, i see it :D |
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| 15:14.09 | themill | (search down that page for udp) |
| 15:14.09 | liable | themill: thanks, my googlefoo needs rechrging ;) |
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| 15:14.56 | xrahbertx | :D |
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| 15:15.13 | fastputty | how do i return the text between PORT and " " (space) |
| 15:15.22 | fastputty | is it with grep? |
| 15:15.41 | themill | liable: 4th hit with search terms cups listen udp :) |
| 15:15.49 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just installed mozilla-mplayer, but when I'm trying to watch a video clip, it just outputs "Stopped" rigtig after "Buffering" - any suggestions on how to solve this problem ? |
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| 15:16.24 | xrahbertx | Great!! it works !! thanx you two :-* |
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| 15:17.22 | liable | ah, i see, it listens to udp packets from other printers on the network |
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| 15:20.03 | themill | fastputty: there are many ways to do it... you could pipe it into the perl swiss army knife: | perl -pi -e 's/PORT(.*) /$1/' |
| 15:20.19 | themill | fastputty: or come up with a more elegant solution ;) |
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| 15:20.28 | gerro | My debian box won't connect over ethernet, tried different cables still nothing, can't do ifup eth0 and in /etc/network/interfaces it says iface eth0 inet dhcp whatever that means. Its a netgear ethernet card |
| 15:20.50 | chops | gerro: Do you have a DHCP server on your network? |
| 15:21.00 | gerro | chops: yeah that is how other computer get connection |
| 15:21.01 | chops | gerro: Also, what does 'ifup eth0' say? |
| 15:21.09 | gerro | chops: it says device doesn't exist |
| 15:21.17 | liable | gerro: ifconfig -a |
| 15:21.26 | liable | gerro: how many devices? |
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| 15:21.48 | chops | gerro: Are you running a Debian-provided kernel? Do you have udev or hotplug installed? |
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| 15:21.55 | [p0lar] | hello |
| 15:21.55 | asd | IRCOP HACK IRCOP HACK! --> http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139620599 |
| 15:22.05 | liable | oh dear |
| 15:22.11 | zinx | ... |
| 15:22.12 | ShadowMajestic | i dont trust .lv |
| 15:22.12 | liable | !ops asd troll |
| 15:22.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: asd troll |
| 15:22.15 | zinx | !ops asd needs a good bannin |
| 15:22.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: asd needs a good bannin |
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| 15:22.20 | zinx | oops, i was late :x |
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| 15:22.27 | gerro | liable: eth1, lo and sit0 |
| 15:22.36 | liable | danke azeem |
| 15:22.49 | liable | gerro: ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1 |
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| 15:23.41 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I tell vino-server not to use the gnome keyring? |
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| 15:24.16 | pingouin | the debian kernel did the same for me, sit0, and also firewire ethernet, that make me lost too often the dhcp :/ |
| 15:24.17 | gerro | liable: wow its fixed thanks |
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| 15:24.34 | liable | gerro: edit your interfaces file to eth1 |
| 15:24.34 | pingouin | think to blacklist the other modules |
| 15:24.40 | liable | or your udev rule |
| 15:24.47 | gerro | liable: will do |
| 15:24.55 | pingouin | liable: where are the udev rule ? |
| 15:25.20 | liable | pingouin: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:25.43 | liable | pingouin: udev has some fairly good docs in u/s/d |
| 15:26.14 | gerro | u/s/d? |
| 15:26.20 | liable | !usd |
| 15:26.20 | dpkg | somebody said usd was /usr/share/doc. The font of all knowledge, after you install a new package. |
| 15:26.45 | themill | !z25 |
| 15:26.45 | dpkg | somebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 15:26.47 | gerro | just checking thought it might be some rip off of a/s/l heh |
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| 15:27.10 | Drk_Guy | How can i set kdm to be the default window manager? |
| 15:27.25 | gerro | Drk_Guy: you mean default login manager? |
| 15:27.28 | liable | Drk_Guy: kdm or kde? |
| 15:27.29 | Drk_Guy | Yeah |
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| 15:27.34 | Drk_Guy | kDM |
| 15:27.38 | Drk_Guy | I love jde |
| 15:27.41 | Drk_Guy | *kde |
| 15:27.44 | liable | Drk_Guy: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 15:27.50 | Drk_Guy | kde owns gnome |
| 15:27.55 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I uninstall the gnome-keyring pkg without uninstalling all gnome packages? |
| 15:28.03 | Ronin | !start a wm war |
| 15:28.03 | dpkg | fluxbox makes me vomit! |
| 15:28.08 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:28.23 | Drk_Guy | flux sucks |
| 15:28.23 | gerro | eh I prefer xfce but fluxbox is nice for tiny monitors |
| 15:28.23 | liable | gah, we had a 2 hour rant about gnome this morining |
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| 15:28.35 | Ronin | Drk_Guy: odd, i feel that way about kde |
| 15:28.40 | savetheWorld | enouf: hey! |
| 15:28.45 | Ronin | Drk_Guy: but its to each thier own |
| 15:28.47 | liable | stop it now! |
| 15:28.48 | gerro | Drk_Guy: if you try fluxbox with rox and little theming its pretty sweet just requires some configuring |
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| 15:29.00 | Drk_Guy | flux is for slow machines |
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| 15:29.09 | Ronin | Drk_Guy: not at all, |
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| 15:29.19 | Drk_Guy | My box is cool enough to take on all the kde eye-candy i like |
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| 15:29.27 | SpeedyG | Drk_Guy: flux is, just like any other WM/DM, for the user who likes it :p |
| 15:29.27 | gerro | Drk_Guy: got to be kidding I use blackbox or wfvm on slow machines |
| 15:29.28 | xerophyte | can you have master dns is 9 and slave us bind8 ..? what kind of problem will i have ? |
| 15:29.38 | ampex | I'm assuming on an AMD Opteron I should be running a 686 kernel image, not a 486? |
| 15:29.50 | Drk_Guy | Ok themill |
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| 15:30.39 | liable | !beat SpeedyG |
| 15:30.41 | liable | ;) |
| 15:30.42 | SpeedyG | :> |
| 15:30.43 | \amethyst | ampex: a k7 kernel |
| 15:30.48 | SpeedyG | you know I like it :p |
| 15:30.48 | \amethyst | ampex: 686 is for intels |
| 15:30.52 | SpeedyG | oh wait.. that was bad.. |
| 15:31.09 | liable | i didnt say beat off! :P |
| 15:31.11 | Drk_Guy | Can anyone help me configure my fstab for ntfs-3g driver? |
| 15:31.22 | Drk_Guy | It always fails the mounting stage |
| 15:31.38 | liable | paste the error somewhere |
| 15:31.49 | Drk_Guy | Wait |
| 15:31.54 | ampex | \amethyst: so the k7 kernels are also intended for "k8" products? |
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| 15:32.10 | Drk_Guy | Where is the last boot log? liable? |
| 15:32.35 | \amethyst | ampex: yes... if it's 64-bit, you can use an amd64 kernel as well (it supports a 32-bit userspace) |
| 15:33.01 | ampex | I'm using 32-bit for a reason, but Debian chose the 486 kernel for some reason, does that make sense? |
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| 15:33.07 | liable | Drk_Guy: check dmesg, or try mount -a |
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| 15:36.24 | Drk_Guy | liable |
| 15:36.34 | dalias | is there any way to disable justified text in firefox? |
| 15:36.35 | Drk_Guy | I don't get it, but the error isn't there |
| 15:36.43 | dalias | it's slow and has serious bugs with ligatures |
| 15:36.47 | Drk_Guy | dalias: You sure it's FF? |
| 15:37.09 | dalias | yes, i mean disable support for the text-align: justified; css attribute |
| 15:37.14 | Drk_Guy | FF is replaced by a modded FF named Iceweasel in Debian |
| 15:37.15 | dalias | (and treat it as left aligned) |
| 15:37.19 | dalias | haha ok |
| 15:37.21 | liable | Drk_Guy: mount -a |
| 15:37.28 | dalias | stop being pedantic tho |
| 15:37.32 | ocaos-os | moo |
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| 15:37.50 | dalias | if this feature exists it matches between ff and iceweasel.. |
| 15:38.21 | pingouin | nice : /usr/share/doc/udev/examples give for gentoo, suse redhat.... ;) |
| 15:38.24 | Drk_Guy | liable: http://www.pastebin.ca/690345 |
| 15:38.26 | pingouin | where is debian ? |
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| 15:39.26 | dalias | kde is not a wm, kwm is.. |
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| 15:39.32 | [p0lar] | we use mkinitrd.yaird mkinitrd or mkinitramfs to 2.6.22.6 kernel?! |
| 15:39.33 | sdive | do I need any specific package to send HTML e-mails with php? |
| 15:39.37 | Drk_Guy | ¬¬} |
| 15:39.43 | Drk_Guy | {¬¬} |
| 15:39.51 | dalias | kde is a framework for making you computer swap constantly |
| 15:39.58 | liable | Drk_Guy: paste your fstab and fdisk -l |
| 15:40.07 | Drk_Guy | C'mon dalias, don't treat me that way |
| 15:40.09 | Drk_Guy | Stop it |
| 15:40.12 | dalias | :) |
| 15:40.16 | keith4_ | oh boy, the crazy guy is back! |
| 15:40.17 | Drk_Guy | I'm NOT noob |
| 15:40.26 | Drk_Guy | And i really knew it |
| 15:40.36 | \amethyst | pingouin: maybe the scripts in /etc/udev/rules.d/ are considered the "debian examples" :) |
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| 15:41.38 | Drk_Guy | liable: http://www.pastebin.ca/690348 (fstab) |
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| 15:42.21 | dalias | so anyway |
| 15:42.28 | liable | Drk_Guy: does it mount the other partitions? |
| 15:42.32 | Drk_Guy | liable: http://www.pastebin.ca/690349 (fdisk -l) |
| 15:42.48 | dalias | i just wanted a workaround for the iceweasel bug where text with ligatures gets corrupted, by disabling justified text.. |
| 15:43.08 | dalias | upstream ff devels won't fix the bug, they just say "wait for 3.0" |
| 15:43.12 | \amethyst | dalias: does #firefox know anything? |
| 15:43.14 | Drk_Guy | dalias, just report the bug in launchpad or something similar |
| 15:43.21 | Drk_Guy | :( |
| 15:43.31 | Drk_Guy | :E |
| 15:43.42 | liable | Drk_Guy: hdc2 is the extended partition, you cant mount it |
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| 15:43.57 | \amethyst | dalias: maybe a greasemonkey script to replace the styles... would slow everything down though |
| 15:43.59 | liable | Drk_Guy: remove that line |
| 15:44.05 | dalias | the bug is in the debian bug tracker |
| 15:44.17 | Great_Justice | Hello! I have a machine running with Debian 4 on a desktop configuration. I need the home folder of the users to be in another debian server. How can I mount an remote home folder. I found something about sshfs but I don't know if I can use it to mount especific user's home folder. |
| 15:44.33 | dalias | and that's the response the debian packagers got |
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| 15:45.04 | dalias | one possible solution is just to hex edit the iceweasel binary and mess up the word justify so the string match fails :) |
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| 15:45.23 | Drk_Guy | Removed |
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| 15:45.29 | Drk_Guy | Now what? |
| 15:45.29 | dalias | that's what i used to do when wget didn't have support for ignoring robots.txt... i hex edited it to look for r0b0ts.txt instead :P |
| 15:45.36 | liable | Drk_Guy: mount -a |
| 15:45.53 | Jemt | Is there a package available which provides a wide range of printer drivers? |
| 15:45.55 | Drk_Guy | Ok... |
| 15:45.56 | Jemt | .. for CUPS |
| 15:46.05 | mo1991 | Can anyone tell me how I can use mencoder to convert an entire directory of files? Need to convert a bunch of wmv files to avi. Works fine with one file at a time. |
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| 15:46.19 | Drk_Guy | So what? |
| 15:46.21 | ladydoor | Hi all...so I recently discovered hibernation, and it's pretty cool. However, when I start back up, since it's retrieving all that data from swap and whatnot, there's a whole lot of memory swapped out and my system's hanging a little bit. Any ideas on how to fix this, or is this just something you have to live with? |
| 15:46.22 | \amethyst | mo1991: what command did you use to convert one file |
| 15:46.24 | Drk_Guy | No errors reported |
| 15:46.26 | liable | Jemt: search foomatic and gimp |
| 15:46.31 | dalias | mo1991, it's a matter of knowing shell scripting |
| 15:46.37 | Jemt | liable: Ok, thanks |
| 15:46.39 | liable | Drk_Guy: so use your windows mounts and be happy |
| 15:46.51 | Drk_Guy | But, i can't access them |
| 15:46.52 | sdive | do I need any specific package to send HTML e-mails with php? maybe some MIME specific package |
| 15:46.54 | liable | Jemt: linuxprinting.org also |
| 15:47.00 | Drk_Guy | It always says: permission denied |
| 15:47.03 | Jemt | liable: Yep, just found it :) |
| 15:47.07 | Drk_Guy | What gives? |
| 15:47.18 | Drk_Guy | Jemt: Which printer? |
| 15:47.32 | Jemt | Drk_Guy: Any printer ;) |
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| 15:47.40 | Drk_Guy | ah! |
| 15:47.40 | \amethyst | sdive: maybe php-mail-mime? |
| 15:47.42 | Jemt | Drk_Guy: Just want to make my system as generic as possible ;) |
| 15:47.44 | mo1991 | \amethyst * rob- (n=robouk@146.87.6.30) has joined #debian |
| 15:47.44 | mo1991 | <Drk_Guy> So what? |
| 15:47.44 | mo1991 | <ladydoor> Hi all...so I recently discovered hibernation, and it's pretty cool. However, when I start back up, since it's retrieving all that data from swap and whatnot, there's a whole lot of memory swapped out and my system's hanging a little bit. Any ideas on how to fix this, or is this just something you have to live with? |
| 15:47.44 | mo1991 | <\amethyst> mo1991: what command did you use to convert one file |
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| 15:47.47 | ladydoor | mo1991: I don't know the exact command you'd use to do this with mencoder, but where $command is that command, it'd be something like "for i in *.wmv; do; $command $i ; done |
| 15:47.59 | dalias | something like for i in *.wmv ; do mencoder ... "$i" -o "`basename \"$i\" .wmv`".avi ; done |
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| 15:48.04 | Drk_Guy | Jemt: You wanna make a new distro? |
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| 15:48.09 | liable | Drk_Guy: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html |
| 15:48.12 | sdive | \amethyst: thanks, will try it |
| 15:48.20 | Jemt | Drk_Guy: Nah, just wanna make my laptop fit in most places :) |
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| 15:48.30 | Drk_Guy | I'm sure it's Debian shit |
| 15:48.35 | mo1991 | \amethyst - I used mencoder movie.wmv -o movie.avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc |
| 15:48.38 | ladydoor | mo1991: That's what I said :-) |
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| 15:48.42 | liable | Drk_Guy: i have no idea what mount options g3 takes, so go do your homework |
| 15:48.48 | liable | 3g* |
| 15:48.54 | \amethyst | mo1991: for orig in *.wmv; do new="${orig%.wmv}.avi"; mencoder "$orig" -o "$new" -ovc lavc -oac lavc; done |
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| 15:49.00 | elias | what does the [gnuab] mean here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-opengl&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
| 15:49.08 | \amethyst | which is more or less what ladydoor said just after you were kicked |
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| 15:49.41 | MolePrince | Howdy.. I have an old Omnibook 300 running Windows 3.x and a Debian laptop [this machine]. As best I can tell the only way I can actually talk to eachother on them is over a serial cable. Any ideas how one might do that, particualry with regards to transferring files pelase? |
| 15:50.00 | liable | minicom |
| 15:50.14 | Bluechip | does anyone know where I can find the package "perlapi-5-8.?" ...this is only one of several missing packages, but I guess I will find them all when I find one of them |
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| 15:50.49 | MolePrince | liable: Do I need minicom on both computers? |
| 15:50.52 | Drk_Avenger | Hey liable |
| 15:51.00 | mo1991 | \amethyst - is this a bash script you are talking about or just a simple command from command line? |
| 15:51.18 | \amethyst | mo1991: bash commands to run from the command line, or in a script |
| 15:51.20 | ladydoor | MolePrince: Do you have the option of setting up an ssh server on at least one? |
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| 15:51.32 | liable | MolePrince: i dont know how windows talks over serial, but its a search term you can use with google :) |
| 15:51.42 | ladydoor | MolePrince: Oh wait...windows probably has issues over ssh somehow... |
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| 15:51.50 | egos | I have a Core 2 Duo processor, what 64-bit iso of Debian should I download? |
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| 15:52.02 | MolePrince | liable: Here's the thing, liable. The Omnibook runs Windows 3.x and has no ethernet or modem.. |
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| 15:52.12 | mo1991 | \amethyst - so from a command line I would type new="${orig%.wmv}.avi"; mencoder "$orig" -o "$new" -ovc lavc -oac lavc; done |
| 15:52.14 | mo1991 | ??? |
| 15:52.19 | mo1991 | little confused |
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| 15:52.24 | liable | egos: unless you have a compelling reason to use 64bit, just use the 32 bt version |
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| 15:52.28 | klysmoth | I am wondering it pptp works with nat, I'm thinking of setting it up if it does |
| 15:52.28 | \amethyst | MolePrince: one way is to use a serial terminal of some kind on the windows machine, and run getty on the serial port of the Linux machine |
| 15:52.44 | Bluechip | MolePrince: I suggest you track down some old DOS BBS software and use something like xmodem or kermit :) |
| 15:52.53 | egos | liable: I should also mention that I have 8 GB ram... |
| 15:52.55 | klysmoth | ~pptp |
| 15:52.59 | liable | MolePrince: yep. so have a little google to see how windows talks over serial |
| 15:53.05 | klysmoth | ~poptop |
| 15:53.05 | apt | PPTP Server for Linux. URL: http://www.moretonbay.com/vpn/pptp.html |
| 15:53.09 | gaal | hello! does apt/dpkg provide a way to check the integrity of already-installed packages? say after an intrusive fsck |
| 15:53.10 | \amethyst | MolePrince: then you log in from Windows to Linux... you can use lrzsz from the command line to initiate a zmodem, ymodem, xmodem, etc transfer |
| 15:53.26 | liable | egos: ok. so use the amd64 one |
| 15:53.44 | Bluechip | I think "hyperterm" was in win3.1 |
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| 15:54.05 | egos | liable: Is there some drawbacks to use the 64bit? |
| 15:54.07 | gaal | I remember rpm had this sort of thing, but can't find it in the debian tools |
| 15:54.09 | klysmoth | apt, poptop is also poptop.sourceforge.net |
| 15:54.10 | apt | klysmoth: okay |
| 15:54.27 | MolePrince | Bluechip: Oh, you may be right. It's been /years/ since I even really looked at a serial connection. |
| 15:54.41 | liable | egos: only in so much as a smaller user base and thus less help for bugs and flash and shit not working |
| 15:54.54 | SpeedyG | Bluechip: hyperterm has been in all 'graphical' windows version hasnt it ? |
| 15:54.58 | MolePrince | \amethyst: Interesting. I'll look into those options. |
| 15:55.13 | mo1991 | ladydoor - can you re-explain the mencoder mutliple file command to me again. Think I missed your explanation cause I was kicked |
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| 15:55.24 | Bluechip | SpeedyG: Yes, I'm really sure I remember it from waaay way back when ...but it HAS been a looong time :/ |
| 15:55.33 | \amethyst | MolePrince: if you have winsock and related tools on the Win3.x machine, you can even do PPP over a null-modem cable |
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| 15:56.18 | MolePrince | \amethyst: No idea, but I can check. I literally just found that computer in a drawer after about 10 years :p |
| 15:56.20 | Jemt | Will installing these packages provide me with a good collection of printer drivers? Or would some of the packages give me more problems then flexibility when moving my laptop around ? cupsys-driver-gimpprint, foomatic-db, foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-db-gutenprint, foo2zjs, hpoj |
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| 15:56.30 | Jemt | than* |
| 15:56.33 | Drk_Avenger | Hey |
| 15:56.48 | Drk_Avenger | Is there something like Ubuntu's ntfs-config in Debian? |
| 15:57.03 | Bluechip | MolePrince: there were plenty of implementations of kermit/xmodem/etc for dos/win31 - problem is tracking down ancient software is nigh on impossible nowdays |
| 15:57.07 | bernhard | how can i list all files inside alsa-tools-gui |
| 15:57.49 | liable | bernhard: the package? |
| 15:57.51 | Bluechip | MolePrince: may I ask (the relevant parts of ) what you are trying to do? |
| 15:58.07 | mo1991 | \amethyst - can you give me the exact mencoder command for mencoder? I am a bit confused by your previous answer |
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| 15:58.46 | bernhard | liable: no, inside the waste paper basked of printed source |
| 15:58.51 | ladydoor | mo1991: http://pastebin.com/m3cb24585 is an example of a script I found on the Internet to convert m4a's to ogg files...I'd say just adapt something liek that to your situation :-/ |
| 15:59.13 | liable | bernhard: eh? |
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| 15:59.45 | MolePrince | Bluechip: My partner would like to use the Omnibook as a typewriter for her next novel in November, and I'm trying to figure how we can network it / transfer files, without a floppy drive, modem, ethernet, or usb ports. :) |
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| 16:00.01 | bernhard | ;) ... of course the package |
| 16:00.25 | DocPlatypus | MolePrince: what the hell *does* it have, then? |
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| 16:00.35 | DocPlatypus | you'd think they'd at least put USB ports on the s.o.b. |
| 16:00.37 | liable | why the need to be a smart ass? |
| 16:00.41 | Bluechip | MolePrince: no floppy disk? |
| 16:00.43 | MolePrince | DocPlatypus: Serial, paralle, and some weird old IR implementation :p |
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| 16:00.47 | MolePrince | Bluechip: Nosir :) |
| 16:00.50 | \amethyst | mo1991: The command I gave will run it as mencoder "file.wmv" -o "file.avi" -ovc lavc -oac lavc . It launches mencoder for each file in turn |
| 16:00.59 | DocPlatypus | serial with null modem cable plus PPP |
| 16:01.02 | Bluechip | MolePrince: sorry, stupid question, but had to be asked |
| 16:01.11 | bernhard | liable: no ... sorry :( ... |
| 16:01.15 | DocPlatypus | is this a new or an old laptop? |
| 16:01.34 | bernhard | 4 days new |
| 16:01.36 | MolePrince | DocPlatypus: Yeah, we just had a nice talk abuot that before you responded. :) It's an ancient Omnibook 300 that I just found in a drawer while cleaning house. |
| 16:01.36 | DocPlatypus | I can't see anything new not having USB and/or Firewire... and I can't see anything old not having a floppy |
| 16:01.40 | liable | bernhard: dpkg -L foo will show you all files from foo package |
| 16:01.46 | bernhard | \o/ |
| 16:01.49 | DocPlatypus | yeah |
| 16:01.59 | Drk_Avenger | D'oh men |
| 16:02.10 | Drk_Avenger | Why i can't access any NTFS driver |
| 16:02.15 | Bluechip | MolePrince: NULL-MODEM cable has to be the way to go ... |
| 16:02.21 | DocPlatypus | or PLIP |
| 16:02.23 | Drk_Avenger | I have everything configured |
| 16:02.30 | Drk_Avenger | Ntfs-3g is well |
| 16:02.35 | themill | ladydoor: were you asking about swapstorms after hibernate earlier? |
| 16:02.37 | Drk_Avenger | Debian is bothering around |
| 16:02.41 | Drk_Avenger | Why? |
| 16:02.45 | liable | Drk_Avenger: you need to set umask |
| 16:02.46 | Drk_Avenger | *Kebian |
| 16:02.52 | Drk_Avenger | umask? |
| 16:02.53 | liable | Drk_Avenger: i gave you the url for the driver |
| 16:02.57 | liable | help |
| 16:02.57 | Drk_Avenger | where? |
| 16:03.10 | ladydoor | themill: Yes I was! |
| 16:03.17 | liable | http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html |
| 16:03.19 | ladydoor | themill: Do you have information on this? |
| 16:03.28 | gaal | FWIW the answer to my question was debsums. thanks all |
| 16:03.28 | MolePrince | In a similar vein.. it's got about 4MB of RAM and abuot 90MB of flash storage.. would it be at all worth trying to install a Debian or is that too old? |
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| 16:04.08 | bernhard | abchirkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 16:04.28 | themill | ladydoor: you can try the out-of-kernel tux-on-ice patches (or is it tuxonice? or TuxOnIce?) It's out of kernel, requires you to recompile and is never likely to get into the kernel. Those who use it, love it, though. |
| 16:04.37 | thelostbutler | hello folks which debian package is provides net-snmp software ? |
| 16:04.44 | themill | ladydoor: I've never used it... the swap storm stops after a couple of minutes ;) |
| 16:05.01 | \amethyst | thelostbutler: apt-cache search snmp |
| 16:05.02 | liable | thelostbutler: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:05.20 | [p0lar] | i'm sorry is this code right? mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22.6.aca.070527 2.6.22.6.aca.070527 |
| 16:05.42 | themill | ladydoor: you can make it better though, by forcing some prefetching. I used the following for quite a while: cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
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| 16:05.55 | ladydoor | themill: Oh, okay, cool...I'll look into that. I've had mine up about 15-20 minutes and it's still got 58 MB swapped, which is more than usual. *shrug*. Heh, it might be an excuse to recompile and maybe try to get bootsplash installed :-) |
| 16:06.12 | ladydoor | themill: So you do that afterwards? |
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| 16:06.27 | thelostbutler | thanks |
| 16:06.33 | ladydoor | themill: Or before? |
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| 16:06.44 | themill | ladydoor: lots of stuff swapped is necessarily a problem. But try running that command when you first come back up from suspend to see if that helps. it will try to bring as much back out of swap as possible. |
| 16:07.07 | Ast001 | after compiling a kernel fith make kpkg during boot I got following error "KERNEL PANIC:VFS UNABLE TO MOUNT ROOT FS ON UNKNOWN_BLOCK(0,0) |
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| 16:07.46 | Ast001 | and before that VFS:CANNOT OPEN ROOT DEVICE "SDA1" or UNKNOWN BLOCK(0,0) |
| 16:07.47 | themill | ladydoor: you run it when it comes out of hibernate. I used to have it as the last line of my hibernate script. I now use kpowersave and haven't spent the time to work out where to insert that into the config to run it on resume yet. |
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| 16:08.14 | jorgito | hi |
| 16:08.15 | ladydoor | themill: Oh, okay. cool, thanks! |
| 16:08.15 | jorgito | I have this question, is it usuall to run fsck.ext3 checks against mounted ext3 partition (fsck is run in read-only mode with -n option)? Does fsck.ext3 counts also with data in page cache or not. |
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| 16:08.34 | Ast001 | please append a correct "ROOT="boot option here are the avaliable partitions |
| 16:08.53 | jelly-home | themill, ladydoor: also, swap-prefetch patch (part of the late -ck patchset) seems to help balancing the swap-in. |
| 16:09.07 | ladydoor | jelly-home: Ah, cool. |
| 16:09.14 | jelly-home | +1 vote for TuxOnIce too |
| 16:09.18 | Drk_Avenger | Hey guys! |
| 16:09.18 | themill | ladydoor: np. Good luck with it ;) BTW that command will cause a massive swap storm, but it will get it all over and done with asap. |
| 16:09.19 | liable | Ast001: simple, dont compile kernels when you dont know how |
| 16:09.22 | Drk_Avenger | Sound isn't working |
| 16:09.29 | Drk_Avenger | Alsaconf didn't do anything |
| 16:09.32 | Drk_Avenger | :O |
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| 16:09.49 | Ast001 | I read and follow tutorial step by step |
| 16:09.57 | Ast001 | Drk_Avenger I had same problem |
| 16:10.03 | ladydoor | themill: sweet |
| 16:10.05 | themill | jelly-home, ladydoor: the -ck prefetch patch is also unlikely to ever get to mainline it seems, and it doesn't refresh the file cache which (I think) that other command will do. |
| 16:10.16 | Ast001 | Solution was to download and install alsa-driver from alsa-project.org |
| 16:10.17 | Drk_Avenger | I'm on kebian |
| 16:10.31 | Ast001 | newest version |
| 16:10.32 | jelly-home | themill: that's why my uname says 2.6.22-rc3-ck1-suspend2 |
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| 16:10.39 | themill | :) |
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| 16:10.46 | infinity0 | uh... how do you manage your encrypted volumes in debian? |
| 16:10.50 | Drk_Avenger | Kde doesn't use Alsa Ast001 |
| 16:10.51 | Drk_Avenger | But thx |
| 16:10.57 | infinity0 | i set up encrpyed LVM on my external hard drive when i was installing debian |
| 16:11.02 | infinity0 | and now it thinks it's part of the system |
| 16:11.06 | liable | Drk_Avenger: huh? |
| 16:11.07 | themill | Drk_Avenger: yes it does. |
| 16:11.11 | sdive | \amethyst: hi again. the package, php-mail-mime you suggested for sending HTML e-mails via php, right? as far as I can see it only serves some scripts? |
| 16:11.12 | infinity0 | so it bitches at me when i start it up without the ext drive being connected... |
| 16:11.15 | rootmos | has anyone setup a wireless accesspoint with hostapd? |
| 16:11.17 | Drk_Avenger | Nope |
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| 16:11.23 | SerajewelKS | how do i enable vsync for opengl with the ati x driver? |
| 16:11.28 | Drk_Avenger | It installed it's own sound enviroment |
| 16:11.31 | ladydoor | themill, jelly-home: Thanks a lot. bye. |
| 16:11.44 | Ast001 | Avenger I did apt-get remove alsa , download alsa-driver-1.0.14 and ./configure make make install and alsaconf and it worked |
| 16:11.46 | themill | Drk_Avenger: artsd is usually run on top of alsa/ |
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| 16:12.02 | Drk_Avenger | Ok |
| 16:12.27 | Drk_Avenger | Restarted |
| 16:12.32 | Drk_Avenger | Working good |
| 16:12.50 | Drk_Avenger | Now, to configure the ntfs-config source code |
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| 16:14.22 | bernhard | damn ... random graphics lockups |
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| 16:16.28 | gonzaloaf | hi, I want to do a script to process all files of a directory with lame and create new files with the same name adding a _128 in the end of the filename, the command is: "lame -m s --cbr -b 128 input_file.mp3 output_file_128.mp3, where input_file and output_file names are the same, how can I do that? |
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| 16:18.34 | themill | gonzaloaf: you can use the basename utility to get the new name, or use the bash replacement/subst syntax. Wrap that all within a loop. |
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| 16:18.47 | Ast001 | here is my /boot/grub/menu.lst http://pastebin.com/d5085c0dd |
| 16:18.51 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: for orig in *.mp3; do new="${orig%.mp3}_128.mp3"; lame -m s --cbr -b 128 "$orig" "$new"; done |
| 16:19.30 | Ast001 | why can't it mount root fs on new kernel ? |
| 16:19.33 | \amethyst | the bash ${..%..} stuff, unlike basename, won't strip off the directory name |
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| 16:20.05 | Ast001 | and it can olderone |
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| 16:20.40 | \amethyst | Ast001: did you compile your own kernel, or is this a newer debian kernel? |
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| 16:20.57 | Ast001 | it is newer debian kernel |
| 16:21.16 | Ast001 | 2.6.22 |
| 16:21.52 | liable | Ast001: you said you compiled it |
| 16:22.08 | Vegar | Where can I find lenny netinst ISOs? |
| 16:22.10 | Ast001 | I downloaded it from srcI downloaded source did make_kpkg, dpkg -i grub install |
| 16:22.14 | Ast001 | from source |
| 16:22.18 | themill | \amethyst: nice tip about not removing the path info... basename has always annoyed me like that. ;) |
| 16:22.20 | Vegar | (or lenny ISOs) |
| 16:22.21 | gerro | trying to compile a graphics driver for an old card I got, but I get this error "Makefile:173: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Stop." Yeah I know its probably some stupid screw up :( |
| 16:22.27 | themill | !tell Vegar about lenny netinstall |
| 16:22.27 | Ast001 | grub update everything |
| 16:22.34 | \amethyst | Ast001: perhaps you left out some configuration options... did you copy the .config from your old kernel first? |
| 16:22.38 | Vegar | thanks, themill |
| 16:22.39 | themill | Vegar: but it's not recommended to use them at present. They may even be missing. |
| 16:22.44 | infinity0 | hey people, i have an encrypted LVM question, can someone help me out? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=99224#99224 |
| 16:22.45 | Vegar | oh, ok |
| 16:22.55 | Ast001 | just did make menuconfig and save |
| 16:22.57 | Vegar | themill: is it possible to use an etch netinst iso with lenny sources? |
| 16:23.08 | liable | Ast001: you need to add --initrd to kpkg |
| 16:23.13 | themill | Vegar: Last I read on the d-i website, they were recommending people install etch and then dist-upgrade, I think. |
| 16:23.19 | Vegar | ok |
| 16:23.22 | Vegar | I'll do that then |
| 16:23.23 | Vegar | thanks |
| 16:23.34 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com works for that |
| 16:23.36 | Ast001 | ok I'll try with that option |
| 16:23.37 | themill | Vegar: but that was from the d-i website in the link that dpkg gave you. |
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| 16:24.07 | gerro | themill: why were they recommending that? I'm using etch right now |
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| 16:24.37 | liable | !whois holycow |
| 16:24.42 | themill | gerro: the daily builds of the lenny installer were borked, I think. They were busy breaking things |
| 16:24.43 | jetscreamer | they weren't recommending upgrading to lenny, but if you wanted lenny to install etch first |
| 16:24.46 | liable | !moo |
| 16:24.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:25.17 | ocaos-os | :) |
| 16:25.25 | d3c | hi, I have a question on MIME in debian. When trying to send HTML emails in php, it just shows plain text in the email. any idea why? |
| 16:25.48 | holycow | mornin |
| 16:25.57 | thelostbutler | hello folks i get this error message warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory when i am using cyrus-sasl to authenticate with authdaemond of courier-imap. folks at #postfix said this is an issue because of debian running postfix under chroot. i have no clue what they are reffering to you. can anybody shed some light ? |
| 16:26.18 | Drk_Avenger | Cool |
| 16:26.19 | themill | gerro: I think you might have missed the context. They weren't recommending that people upgrade to lenny, just that if you wanted lenny, then start by installing etch. |
| 16:26.30 | Drk_Avenger | ntfs-config DOES work on Kebian |
| 16:26.35 | Drk_Avenger | Kebian Etch |
| 16:26.36 | gerro | themill: yeah I get what you saying |
| 16:27.02 | ocaos-os | bye |
| 16:27.10 | themill | gerro: good... didn't want you to think that you should be upgrading because that was what all the cool kids were doing ;) |
| 16:27.13 | Vegar | d3c: have you set the "Content-Type: text/HTML" header in the mail() call? |
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| 16:27.24 | liable | thelostbutler: you can prolly set the saslauthd socket in its config |
| 16:27.25 | gerro | themill: but umm any idea what package has kernel config file? really need to get proper graphics driver going I'm in 640x480 xD |
| 16:27.30 | themill | Vegar: lowercase that html |
| 16:27.39 | d3c | vegar, yes the script is right. it's a server problem. |
| 16:28.10 | themill | gerro: your running config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r) ... every kernel package ships with it's config. |
| 16:28.42 | gerro | cd /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:28.49 | themill | d3c: php#s mail() is a PITA. But you knew that already. |
| 16:28.51 | thelostbutler | liable: i already did /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf authdaemond_path:/var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2007-09-10 04:44 /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket |
| 16:28.55 | gerro | oops wrong terminal lol |
| 16:28.56 | themill | gerro: no, the file. (not dir) |
| 16:29.24 | jetscreamer | that would be cp |
| 16:29.31 | d3c | themill, what do you suggest then? |
| 16:29.42 | gerro | themill: what do I do if my kernel doesn't have that though? |
| 16:29.44 | jetscreamer | but you don't have to make menuconfig sucks in that config |
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| 16:30.20 | liable | thelostbutler: i think you need to change saslauthd's config too |
| 16:30.23 | themill | d3c: there's http://phpmailer.sourceforge.net/ (which I've not used but studied along the way ;) |
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| 16:30.35 | liable | thelostbutler: but i only brifly read about this the other day |
| 16:30.39 | gerro | themill: oops I do have that guess I need to use make file option to specify different directory |
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| 16:31.22 | xdr | can anyone tell me what permissions it should be on /var/lib/X11/ recursivly |
| 16:31.39 | d3c | themill, going to try phpmailer, thanks. you guys don't think that it could be a server problem? |
| 16:31.40 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, thanks the script is working |
| 16:32.02 | klys | xdr: 755 dir, 644 file |
| 16:32.06 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I tell vino-server not to use the gnome keyring? |
| 16:32.09 | thelostbutler | liable: saslauthd config ? |
| 16:32.18 | jetscreamer | 0644 |
| 16:32.35 | klys | xdr: once you implement group security it should be 775 / 664 |
| 16:32.37 | thelostbutler | liable: /etc/posfix/sasl/smtpd.conf is supposed to be the saslauthd config right ? |
| 16:32.47 | themill | d3c: the mail server should be pretty well behaved. Check that you have proper mime boundaries too. |
| 16:32.50 | xdr | klys: thx |
| 16:32.51 | liable | thelostbutler: the daemon has one too |
| 16:33.00 | d3c | themill, what do you mean by proper mime boundaries? |
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| 16:33.27 | liable | thelostbutler: thats about as far as my knowledge goes, otherwise i will have to google, and you may as well do that |
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| 16:34.22 | cwheeler | how do i set debian up as a print server? |
| 16:34.34 | cwheeler | for OSX? |
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| 16:34.53 | thelostbutler | liable: okay thanks. |
| 16:35.11 | themill | d3c: most mails get sent as Content-Type: multipart/alternative and you then need mime boundaries to show the different parts as well as the attachments. |
| 16:35.34 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there something better that soundconverter? |
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| 16:36.13 | themill | d3c: I can't remember whether html messages also require that. There are lots of traps to getting it all to work across different mailers. Hell, Thunderbird doesn't display some emails from ebay properly! |
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| 16:37.00 | thelostbutler | liable: http://wiki.ev-15.com/debian:mail_system#sasl i think this document helps; will give it a shot thanks for your help |
| 16:37.07 | xdr | lotsa valium + alcohol + the pub |
| 16:37.11 | xdr | ehrm, sorry wrong channel |
| 16:37.35 | simonrvn | good formula to get really fucked up and sick |
| 16:37.43 | themill | d3c: I've not looked at plain html messages though. (But I've read about difficulties). I've only ever needed to implement attaching PDFs to emails. |
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| 16:38.09 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, about the former script, how can I do to replace the input files? |
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| 16:38.37 | d3c | themill, the problem is that gmail, for instance, display my "HTML" mails as plain text |
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| 16:38.44 | Ast001 | do I need to copy .config file to /boot/config-2.6.22-amd64 to be able to boot from new kernel ? |
| 16:38.50 | d3c | themill, and all other clients as well |
| 16:38.57 | liable | thelostbutler: thats exactly what i was thinking of, except the dpkg hacks. good luck |
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| 16:39.24 | liable | Ast001: no |
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| 16:39.33 | simonrvn | Ast001: it's not used in booting, no |
| 16:39.39 | Ast001 | ok thanks |
| 16:40.09 | simonrvn | Ast001: it's handy to have to see what it has |
| 16:40.16 | simonrvn | Ast001: etc. |
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| 16:40.43 | d3c | themill, im afk for 15 mins, will you please PM me if you figure something out? |
| 16:40.46 | Ast001 | ok I understand |
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| 16:41.52 | themill | d3c: ok... btw you need to set the charset in the Content-Type header too.. and a Content-Transfer-Encoding. |
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| 16:43.36 | Ast001 | see you |
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| 16:46.23 | D0pamine | is there a deb for ns flash ? |
| 16:46.28 | logd | is it possible to kill socket connections ? not the app. belonging |
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| 16:48.32 | gonzaloaf | hi, ello, I'm encoding mp3 files from 192kbps to 128kbps, how can I do to copy the id3 tag information from the source to the output files? |
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| 16:53.05 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 16:57.26 | eljefe | how can i turn off my X's auto-off function? My slide show always goes dark after a few minutes and i have to hit they keybd.. |
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| 16:58.02 | adrakoa | xset s off |
| 16:58.14 | logd | is it possible to kill socket connections ? not the app. belonging |
| 16:58.30 | anandanbu | Help needed to install a .deb package in debian 4.0 (etch) and also how to add a user to sudoers |
| 16:58.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i |
| 16:58.50 | jetscreamer | !sudoers |
| 16:58.50 | dpkg | i heard sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
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| 16:59.42 | adrakoa | logd: if you del the socket, what happens? |
| 17:00.33 | maddash | when I execute, "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT", I get an error msg: "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" -- why is this? |
| 17:00.33 | eljefe | adrakoa: "xset: unable to open display "" " |
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| 17:00.41 | logd | i mean if i notice a connection i wanna close but i don't want to close the program (that may be doing something else too) can I ? |
| 17:00.42 | adrakoa | eljefe: like user... |
| 17:01.20 | adrakoa | logd: you should use lsof to find the socket, and del it |
| 17:01.26 | adrakoa | delete it sorry |
| 17:01.31 | eljefe | adrakoa: sorry, i don't understand.. |
| 17:01.39 | anandanbu | I am not able to edit the /etc/sudoers file as it is in read-only mode help needed |
| 17:01.42 | logd | thx that what i talk about ;) |
| 17:01.51 | logd | but i delete the socket with ? kill ? |
| 17:01.56 | adrakoa | rm |
| 17:02.01 | eljefe | anandanbu: you have to be root to edit it |
| 17:02.04 | logd | ah perfect |
| 17:02.04 | adrakoa | all is a file |
| 17:02.14 | anandanbu | eljefe: how to become root |
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| 17:02.25 | eljefe | su root |
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| 17:02.33 | eljefe | [password] |
| 17:02.33 | jetscreamer | anandanbu: note the permissions on it atm, chmod 644 it, edit it, put the perms back as they were (or you will get an error) |
| 17:02.37 | Zmanu | hello |
| 17:02.44 | Southern | how can I see which app is blocking the sound ?? |
| 17:02.51 | liable | !visudo |
| 17:02.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
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| 17:03.25 | jetscreamer | sudoers has to be a certain chmod? or it will complain |
| 17:03.43 | eljefe | adrakoa: sorry, i don't understand.. i want the X to never 'sleep'... but I don't know how to tell it which 'display' and am not sure which display itr would be (the main/only one, on my laptop) |
| 17:03.54 | Zmanu | i try to mount a squashfs filesystem, and error is mount: unknown filesystem type 'squashfs' i install squashfs-modules-2.6.22-2-486 squashfs-source squashfs-tools, is someone can help me ? |
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| 17:04.25 | jetscreamer | man xset perhaps |
| 17:04.26 | eljefe | Zmanu: 'apt-get install squashfs-modules-2.6.22-2-486 squashfs-source squashfs-tools' |
| 17:04.29 | anandanbu | eljefe: Even using that i am not able to save the file after editing |
| 17:04.38 | Zmanu | eljefe: i have soon do that |
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| 17:05.07 | eljefe | anandanbu: then it may indeed need to have its file permissions changed; or (if you're using Vi or Vim) save it with :w! |
| 17:05.28 | anandanbu | eljefe: I am a n00b can you help me with it |
| 17:05.42 | jetscreamer | anandanbu: what part of chmod 0644 /etc/sudoers && nano /etc/sudoers && chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers did you not understand |
| 17:05.50 | adrakoa | eljefe: your user ( echo $USER )should be eljefe |
| 17:06.06 | anandanbu | jetscreamer: sorry that i didn't try it till |
| 17:06.29 | jetscreamer | s/nano/visudo/ or whatever |
| 17:06.31 | jetscreamer | if you want |
| 17:06.33 | jetscreamer | nano works |
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| 17:07.42 | anandanbu | jetscreamer: Thanks for the kind help i was able to do it, can i do the same for other users also |
| 17:07.53 | adrakoa | eljefe: su -l eljefe -c "xset s off" |
| 17:08.18 | eljefe | anandanbu: sure, amybe ( I may hav to leave in a moment). First, type: 'ls -la /etc/sudoers' and it will say something like -r--r----- Then do 'chmod 640 /etc/sudoers' to make it writable for root. Then edit your file as root and save it. then when done (if you want) you can reset the permissions to the original with 'chmod 440 /etc/sudoers'. All these commands done as root. |
| 17:08.31 | jetscreamer | sure if you want, but maybe you should man sudoers and restrict the other user's access to sudo usage , not put all for everybody |
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| 17:08.50 | ocaos-os | if i don't want to fetch all debs during reinstall do i have to backup var/cache/apt/archives or var/cache/apt |
| 17:08.52 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys! |
| 17:08.52 | eljefe | adrakoa: can i do this as root for all users? |
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| 17:09.21 | anandanbu | eljefe: Thanks for your kind help i was able to add the user to it, thanks anyway |
| 17:09.26 | Drk_Guy | ocaos-os: Yep |
| 17:09.36 | eljefe | anandanbu: :) |
| 17:09.38 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/archives or whatever |
| 17:09.38 | Drk_Guy | Just put them back there and re-install |
| 17:09.40 | ocaos-os | ;P |
| 17:09.42 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 17:09.55 | ocaos-os | including the pkgcache.bin? |
| 17:10.00 | Drk_Guy | Nope |
| 17:10.03 | jetscreamer | i don't/never have |
| 17:10.04 | ocaos-os | :DDDD |
| 17:10.06 | Drk_Guy | Or i think |
| 17:10.07 | Drk_Guy | :P |
| 17:10.10 | jetscreamer | just the .debs |
| 17:10.17 | jetscreamer | works for me |
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| 17:11.13 | eljefe | adrakoa: still I get "xset : unable to open display "" |
| 17:11.36 | eljefe | i goota go, thanks for the help, I'll ask in a while again :) |
| 17:11.45 | jetscreamer | man xset |
| 17:11.51 | adrakoa | eljefe: echo "xset s off" >> ~/.xinitrc |
| 17:11.57 | juso | We have debian installed on a new HP server, ti stays up for 2 days then completely locks up, not even the light out mangement utility. I booted up int knoopix and it tayed up for days without locking up. Anyone have an idea where I would trouble shoot? |
| 17:12.03 | themill | d3c: ping |
| 17:12.23 | adrakoa | for all echo "xset s off" >> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
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| 17:13.37 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all |
| 17:13.58 | SpeedyG | juso: what do logs tell you ? |
| 17:14.07 | juso | nothing at all.. |
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| 17:14.54 | juso | syslog.. messages.. nothing, it just freezes, not even the bios level management lights out management works |
| 17:15.25 | SpeedyG | hm, only thing I can remember that did that to my boxes were nvidia drivers |
| 17:15.30 | SpeedyG | but they did that at boot time |
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| 17:17.26 | Drk_Guy | Guys |
| 17:17.34 | Drk_Guy | Debian is so... |
| 17:17.47 | jetscreamer | debianish? |
| 17:17.55 | Drk_Guy | Why i can't access any drive except for the local ext3 oen, and thumbsticks? |
| 17:18.04 | jetscreamer | because you didn't set it up |
| 17:18.10 | jetscreamer | i ass-u-me you mean ntfs |
| 17:18.11 | Drk_Guy | set it up? |
| 17:18.30 | Drk_Guy | But i have ntfs drivers |
| 17:18.38 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 17:18.38 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 17:18.40 | Drk_Guy | And i have mounted the drives correctly |
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| 17:19.06 | jetscreamer | /dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs-3g auto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 17:19.12 | Drk_Guy | Thx |
| 17:19.17 | jetscreamer | is how to write.. least for me |
| 17:19.37 | jetscreamer | change those uid's and gid's as needed... that's for single user you can tweak stuff |
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| 17:19.39 | jetscreamer | man mount |
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| 17:20.42 | Zmanu | is it necessary to rebuild a kernel to mount a squashfs filesystem ? |
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| 17:21.15 | jetscreamer | grep -i squash /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:21.22 | Drk_Guy | How can identify my GId and my UId |
| 17:21.34 | jetscreamer | id |
| 17:21.42 | jetscreamer | type that in an xterm |
| 17:21.44 | Drk_Guy | Zmanu: I've heard of something like squashfstools |
| 17:21.51 | Zmanu | jetscreamer: nothing |
| 17:21.52 | Drk_Guy | Try googling it |
| 17:22.01 | Zmanu | Drk_Guy: i install it, but nothing better |
| 17:22.02 | jetscreamer | me neither |
| 17:22.07 | jetscreamer | not sure Zmanu |
| 17:22.18 | Drk_Guy | Thanks jetole |
| 17:22.25 | Drk_Guy | *jetscreamer |
| 17:22.31 | lindenl1 | Can i create a new duplicity signature if i accidentally deleted mine? |
| 17:22.32 | Zmanu | Drk_Guy: i find nothing with google |
| 17:23.19 | jetscreamer | there is hey Zmanu apt-cache search squash |
| 17:23.30 | jetscreamer | there are some modules and the tools |
| 17:23.47 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 17:23.53 | Zmanu | jetscreamer: i install squashfs-module squashfs-tools and squashfs-source |
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| 17:24.02 | jetscreamer | you might need those modules |
| 17:24.14 | Zmanu | nothing with modprobe |
| 17:24.47 | jetscreamer | no i have modsquashfs-modules-2.6.21-2-686 - Squash filesystem modules for Linux 2.6.21 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 17:24.54 | jetscreamer | in the apt-cache search thing |
| 17:25.18 | jetscreamer | you 'probably' need to install them/the ones for your kernel |
| 17:25.22 | jetscreamer | but i'm guessing |
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| 17:25.50 | Zmanu | i squashfs-modules-2.6.22-2-486 - Squash filesystem modules for Linux 2.6.22 on x86 |
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| 17:25.54 | tdonahue-laptop | does anyone know where there might be documentation stating which firmware file i need to download from qlogic to make my ISP2200 work with the qla2xxx driver? |
| 17:26.02 | Zmanu | uname -a |
| 17:26.03 | Zmanu | Linux L4A 2.6.22-2-486 #1 Thu Aug 30 23:45:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:26.18 | jetscreamer | ok so you would need the -686 not the -486 |
| 17:26.28 | jetscreamer | maybe you already have it? |
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| 17:26.45 | Drk_Guy | jetscreamer: I'll reboot to see if it works |
| 17:26.50 | Drk_Guy | See ya later |
| 17:26.51 | D0pamine | is there a deb for the kernel sources |
| 17:26.52 | D0pamine | ? |
| 17:26.55 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 17:27.10 | jetscreamer | yes apt-cache search linux-source |
| 17:27.17 | jetscreamer | or do you want the headers |
| 17:27.24 | D0pamine | thanks , i got it :D |
| 17:27.26 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 17:27.39 | tdonahue-laptop | nevermind, i think i found the package that has the firmware i need |
| 17:27.54 | jetscreamer | the headers ar efor compiling against, the source is for comiling kernels |
| 17:28.06 | jetscreamer | p |
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| 17:29.40 | dogmeat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.45 | liable | heh, theres a kawfee in ##c |
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| 17:30.18 | jetscreamer | probably |
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| 17:30.29 | Drk_Guy | jetscreamer: didn't work |
| 17:30.31 | jetscreamer | you can leave that blank, dogmeat |
| 17:30.39 | Drk_Guy | "Deficient kernel" |
| 17:31.03 | dogmeat | 'k, looked like it was set in /etc/hosts, mailname, and /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 17:31.24 | jetscreamer | Drk_Guy: did you put ntfs or ntfs-3g |
| 17:31.32 | jetscreamer | the ro or the rw |
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| 17:31.46 | Drk_Guy | rw |
| 17:31.53 | Drk_Guy | read-write |
| 17:31.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 17:32.00 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 17:32.05 | liable | !umask |
| 17:32.05 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa |
| 17:32.07 | Drk_Guy | But ntfs-3g reports that prob |
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| 17:32.20 | abrotman | dogmeat: are you trying to set it ? |
| 17:32.34 | Drk_Guy | Nope |
| 17:32.39 | Drk_Guy | It's a kernel problem |
| 17:32.46 | Drk_Guy | I don't know why |
| 17:32.53 | jetscreamer | Drk_Guy: works just fine here.... try the ro one |
| 17:33.03 | Drk_Guy | Bu Ubuntu gave me NTFS access natively (ro only) |
| 17:33.12 | jetscreamer | maybe you need to add yourself to the fuse group |
| 17:33.13 | Drk_Guy | ro... |
| 17:33.14 | jetscreamer | dude |
| 17:33.15 | Drk_Guy | :( |
| 17:33.18 | Drk_Guy | :'( |
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| 17:33.25 | jetscreamer | adduser Drk_Guy fuse |
| 17:33.29 | jetscreamer | or was it fuser |
| 17:33.34 | jetscreamer | then log off/back on |
| 17:34.01 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 17:34.14 | Drk_Guy | Let me log-off, i'll be back in no time+ |
| 17:34.55 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-3g |
| 17:34.56 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 17:35.28 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 17:35.47 | nvz | not yet, but we;re workng on it |
| 17:35.58 | Mazingaro | is there anyone using openmodelica on debian? I need to know something about a system editor |
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| 17:36.04 | Drk_Guy | Nope |
| 17:36.19 | Drk_Guy | Now i can't even mount the drives |
| 17:36.24 | jetscreamer | http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#fuse26 --- The Linux kernel must be upgraded either to at least version 2.6.20, or the FUSE kernel driver must be upgraded to a safe version which is also included in the FUSE package for Linux kernel version 2.6.9 and later |
| 17:36.37 | jetscreamer | not sure Drk_Guy .. works here :/ |
| 17:36.59 | Drk_Guy | read only works? |
| 17:37.07 | Drk_Guy | but why writing not? |
| 17:37.10 | jetscreamer | WARNING: Deficient FUSE kernel module detected <--is that the error? yes ro will work |
| 17:37.27 | Drk_Guy | but i can't write there |
| 17:37.42 | Drk_Guy | What the f***, i don't even need to write there |
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| 17:37.46 | jetscreamer | backport a 2.6.20 kernel |
| 17:37.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:37.53 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 17:37.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 17:37.58 | Drk_Guy | I only need to read the contents |
| 17:38.03 | jetscreamer | ro is fine then |
| 17:38.12 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 17:38.12 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 17:38.28 | jetscreamer | the fmask and dmask are different |
| 17:38.50 | SpeedyG | with setting uid and gid in the fstab, you can limit the permissions to the given user(s)/group(s) ? |
| 17:39.16 | Drk_Guy | I've setup my gid and uid |
| 17:39.21 | nvz | SpeedyG: not exactly |
| 17:39.25 | jetscreamer | so it seems, but i've never tried to deny anybody.. single user box |
| 17:39.25 | Drk_Guy | And left the bot's masks alone |
| 17:39.36 | Drk_Guy | I'll reboot |
| 17:39.44 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: same here, thats why I wondered :) |
| 17:39.45 | Drk_Guy | Whish me luck please |
| 17:39.57 | jetscreamer | #/dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs auto,users,noexec,ro,umask=022,fmask=0333,dmask=0222,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 17:39.58 | jetscreamer | /dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs-3g auto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 17:40.02 | jetscreamer | one of the two |
| 17:40.06 | nvz | SpeedyG: filesystems without POSIX style permissions like FAT the uid/gid options allow mount to change the ownership of the mount point and all files in it |
| 17:40.06 | jetscreamer | note the differences |
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| 17:40.49 | nvz | SpeedyG: because the default is to make it owned by whoever mounts it |
| 17:41.13 | SpeedyG | but mounting fat is usually only allowed to root isnt it ? |
| 17:41.14 | jetscreamer | you can deny them access with the use of fmask & dmask for sure... |
| 17:41.19 | maddash | useless |
| 17:41.24 | nvz | SpeedyG: so access to non-posix filesystems is already restricted to root.. its more to give permission than to restrict |
| 17:41.27 | nvz | ./\][' |
| 17:41.31 | SpeedyG | ah |
| 17:41.32 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 17:41.47 | jetscreamer | and the umask |
| 17:42.16 | SpeedyG | so basically you allow user 1000, or group 1000 or whatever group/user you want to allow by giving the uid/gid :) |
| 17:42.40 | jetscreamer | yeh.. and 1000 is the first user created on a stock debian system |
| 17:42.43 | jetscreamer | aka me |
| 17:42.46 | SpeedyG | yup :) |
| 17:42.48 | SpeedyG | same here ;) |
| 17:42.59 | nvz | SpeedyG: right. you can also in most cases use the user mount option which lets normal users mount the filesystem thus owning it |
| 17:43.01 | jetscreamer | you can use usernames and groupnames instead of the numbers |
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| 17:43.10 | Drk_Guy | Nope |
| 17:43.23 | Drk_Guy | jetscreamer: Can you pastebin your fstab? |
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| 17:43.51 | nvz | SpeedyG: most commonly used for removable media like cdroms.. but now that there are volume managers and hardware abstraction layers.. its becomming less common |
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| 17:44.18 | SpeedyG | hehe, you beat me ;) I was about to mention the cdrom/floppy groups ;) |
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| 17:45.13 | Drk_Guy | C'mon guys |
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| 17:45.25 | Drk_Guy | Help me, post your ntfs-enabled fstab |
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| 17:45.56 | kenji | my php.ini file in the Paths and Directories have some entries that start like var =".:/somepath" what means that .:? |
| 17:46.08 | kenji | my php.ini file in the Paths and Directories section* have some entries that start like var =".:/somepath" what means that .:? |
| 17:46.16 | Drk_Guy | C'mon guys! |
| 17:46.19 | Drk_Guy | C'mon guys! |
| 17:46.24 | Drk_Guy | !!!!!! |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | it has been said that !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 17:46.31 | SpeedyG | Drk_Guy: calm |
| 17:46.42 | Drk_Guy | D'oh men |
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| 17:46.55 | Drk_Guy | I really want to access my NTFS drives |
| 17:47.20 | SpeedyG | Drk_Guy: http://pastebin.ca/690503 <= that is what jetscreamer said just before you left, so you've probably missed it |
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| 17:49.59 | david-work | is there any way todo RSA securid auth with linux without using RADIUS? |
| 17:50.06 | jetscreamer | yeh that's direct from my fstab |
| 17:50.27 | david-work | all the docs say use RADIUS however this is not an option at the present time |
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| 17:51.25 | xingu | david-work: giyf; http://www.joerg.cc/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MySecurID-page |
| 17:51.42 | david-work | giyf? |
| 17:51.57 | Drk_Guy | let me try your config jet |
| 17:52.19 | jetscreamer | nobody told him he doesnt have to reboot i guess, or log out |
| 17:52.22 | SpeedyG | !dpkg giyf |
| 17:52.46 | david-work | xingu: will that only be SSH or local auth as well? I want to have to type the RSA key when im at my desk as well |
| 17:52.51 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: probably a windows user trying linux ;) |
| 17:53.21 | jetscreamer | heh wonder if it's not ntfs :) |
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| 17:53.35 | SpeedyG | hehe, trying to mount fat as ntfs ;) |
| 17:53.37 | xingu | !giyf |
| 17:53.37 | dpkg | [giyf] Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 17:53.45 | SpeedyG | ah thanks xingu :) |
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| 17:55.28 | SpeedyG | hm, 7.55PM, time to go home and get me some food :) |
| 17:55.44 | jetscreamer | ah gmt |
| 17:55.49 | SpeedyG | +1 ;) |
| 17:55.51 | jetscreamer | +1 |
| 17:55.56 | SpeedyG | heh |
| 17:56.01 | xingu | +2 in fact. |
| 17:56.04 | SpeedyG | nope |
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| 17:56.09 | SpeedyG | +1 summertime ;) |
| 17:56.15 | xingu | but not gmt+1 |
| 17:56.26 | jetscreamer | i'm -6 all i know.. math has failed me. |
| 17:56.46 | xingu | before you think about answering, bear in mind that if my arse was any closer to the g in gmt, I'd have a laser going through each ear. |
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| 17:58.55 | snodnipper | Can someone tell me why RSH on Darwin has a timeout option (-t) and netkit .17 does not? |
| 17:58.59 | snodnipper | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/rsh.1.html |
| 17:59.28 | xingu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Greenwich_observatory_laser.jpg <- lights up my nights. :) |
| 17:59.32 | juso | Im on this server thats a intel xeon, and it has 2.6.8-12-amd64-generic, this a posible problem? |
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| 17:59.49 | jetscreamer | sounds like ubuntu to me juso |
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| 18:01.43 | catlee | Does anybody else find this amusing: 'wget -S -O /dev/null http://http.us.debian.org/ 2>&1 | grep Server' |
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| 18:03.33 | liable | xingu: just need some good beats coming out from it plus a smoke machine and it would be rocking |
| 18:03.35 | xingu | catlee: ain't broke... |
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| 18:04.00 | catlee | xingu: served by a fedora machine? |
| 18:04.03 | Coweater | catlee: that's the kernel.org mirror |
| 18:04.06 | catlee | ah |
| 18:04.23 | xingu | catlee: not here it's not - |
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| 18:04.42 | xingu | catlee: I think you're running foul of a translucent proxy |
| 18:05.12 | liable | says fedora here too |
| 18:05.15 | pickcoder | yeah.. the apache tokens are set to Prod only |
| 18:05.21 | pickcoder | mine says Apache |
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| 18:05.47 | Drk_Guy | ;) You rock guys!!! |
| 18:05.55 | xingu | Trying 128.101.240.212... Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 18:05.56 | Drk_Guy | I finally got it working |
| 18:06.01 | Drk_Guy | RW mode |
| 18:06.02 | catlee | Only one of the ips is Fedora I guess |
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| 18:06.16 | pickcoder | hm |
| 18:06.17 | catlee | yeah, and it's the kernel.org mirror |
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| 18:08.14 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 18:08.18 | windowsBSD | how can i swich tasks in Enlightenment? |
| 18:08.22 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 18:12.11 | jetscreamer | well i guess i can not type this after all drk_g paste your fstab and the output of fdisk -l in a pastebin , if it still doesn't work |
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| 18:13.25 | jetscreamer | ah he pm'd me to say thanks |
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| 18:14.06 | liable | !aww |
| 18:14.06 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 18:14.46 | mortan | hi guys! a security update for my webserver (lighttpd) appeared and i want to upgrade it. so, since there is no debian pkg released yes, i have to build one on my own. sorry if it's a trivial question, but how can i access the dpkg configure file of the old package so i dont have to create on from the scratch? |
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| 18:15.16 | liable | from the source deb |
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| 18:16.54 | mortan | hm, can you explain how i should proceed? |
| 18:17.33 | valdyn | mortan: apt-get source lighthttpd will give you the upstream source and a debian patch |
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| 18:17.46 | mortan | ah, thanks |
| 18:18.03 | valdyn | mortan: that patch applies cleanly to your new upstream source if you're lucky |
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| 18:18.56 | dkr | mortan: you also might want to check out http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html |
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| 18:19.16 | valdyn | mortan: it will always add a debian directory to the source tree |
| 18:19.18 | dkr | mortan: adds a README.Debian file for one. :) |
| 18:19.27 | mortan | ieek! 50 pages of debian package standart |
| 18:19.32 | valdyn | mortan: it will 'fix' other stuff if the package maintainer or debian policy require it |
| 18:19.54 | mortan | hm |
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| 18:20.28 | juso | I am on a intel xeon, would the correct kernel be kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp? |
| 18:20.40 | valdyn | mortan: once that source is patched successfully you will probably want to add a changelog entry and build a deb |
| 18:21.13 | mortan | most certanly |
| 18:21.29 | liable | !amd64 |
| 18:21.30 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 18:21.50 | pickcoder | juso: where did you see that package name? |
| 18:21.57 | valdyn | juso: there's various xeons |
| 18:22.10 | juso | apt-cache search |
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| 18:22.22 | valdyn | !info kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp etch |
| 18:22.35 | pickcoder | ah.. I see it |
| 18:22.36 | juso | cpuinfo says its model E5345 |
| 18:22.52 | pickcoder | 5130 |
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| 18:22.58 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on Intel EM64T SMP systems - transition package), section admin, is extra. Version: 1:2.6.18+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 18:23.11 | liable | Throat: turn aways off. thanks |
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| 18:24.01 | juso | right now the server is on: 2.6.8-12-amd64-generic, yes a sarge kernel, but its etch, it had wierd third party HP soure list. |
| 18:24.21 | juso | and I have the server hard locking up at random times. |
| 18:24.29 | Throat | liable:? |
| 18:24.48 | juso | * Throat is away: I'm busy |
| 18:24.49 | valdyn | juso: just use the abovementioned package |
| 18:24.49 | liable | Throat: turn your away messages off |
| 18:24.51 | Throat | ah, ok |
| 18:25.07 | mortan | ok, too complicated for doing it on one evening i think... simplicity is imo not one of debians power. thanks anyway :) |
| 18:25.18 | juso | valdyn: the amd one I mentioned or the em64t one I mentioned? |
| 18:25.26 | valdyn | Throat: there's a specific /away command, but some irc clients are just stupid |
| 18:25.42 | valdyn | juso: em64t - that's for intel |
| 18:25.48 | juso | ok cool, will do. |
| 18:25.50 | pickcoder | I'm currently running the 2.6.18-5-amd64 kernel on mine |
| 18:25.50 | Throat | well, should be off now |
| 18:25.54 | Throat | lets try... |
| 18:26.02 | p0lar | how can i see what module my hdd is using? |
| 18:26.02 | Throat | it seems talking has reset it anyways |
| 18:26.07 | pickcoder | dunno if the em64t will make a huge different |
| 18:26.09 | pickcoder | difference |
| 18:26.20 | valdyn | juso: amd64-generic is for both. Confusingly the arch and the amd specific cpus carry the same name |
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| 18:27.40 | juso | ohhh |
| 18:27.41 | joey[] | is there any tool which configures /etc/apt/sources.list so I don't have to manually edit it? |
| 18:28.03 | Bogus8 | How do I use the `test` command... I try `echo $(test $(ls /foo/foo*) -nt /foo/bar)` where foo* only finds one file named foo<date> |
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| 18:28.42 | valdyn | Bogus8: not like that, it's for conditional statements |
| 18:28.46 | Bogus8 | I'm looking to test whether one file is newer/older than another file |
| 18:29.04 | Bogus8 | valdyn: well, I have it in this if statement now and still no good http://www.pastebin.ca/689833 |
| 18:29.11 | valdyn | Bogus8: so use if |
| 18:29.21 | donaldo_ | does mod_php cache php scripts in any way that requires me to tell it to reload PHP scripts? |
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| 18:29.40 | Bogus8 | valdyn: obviously a lot of "unknowns" in that statement but they all resolve just find |
| 18:29.40 | donaldo_ | wait, this is debian |
| 18:29.44 | Gathond | donaldo_: not on its own |
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| 18:29.54 | jshriver | Greetings |
| 18:29.55 | Bogus8 | fine* |
| 18:30.11 | jshriver | Anyone know of a howto, that describes in great detail how debian's package manger works? |
| 18:30.11 | Gathond | donaldo: that is not if only mod_php is installed and the php script does no caching |
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| 18:30.28 | jshriver | like how do you create your own .deb file coming from a compiled src directory |
| 18:30.40 | jshriver | choose name and dependencies etc |
| 18:30.51 | jshriver | and setup your own repository |
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| 18:31.11 | cydork | Bogus8: type help test; i think you want if test $var/${var2} -nt file |
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| 18:31.38 | cydork | s/${var2}/${var2}*/ |
| 18:31.38 | jshriver | hrm |
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| 18:31.59 | Bogus8 | cydork: I've read the man file... it's weak... and that's basically what I think I'm doing... unless I"m not understanding your first set of var's |
| 18:31.59 | valdyn | jshriver: which package manager? |
| 18:32.32 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 18:32.32 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 18:32.37 | valdyn | jshriver: ^^^ |
| 18:32.44 | Bogus8 | cydork: it shows to do file1 -nt file2 |
| 18:32.51 | jshriver | dpkg |
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| 18:33.05 | jshriver | 'k thanks :) loading |
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| 18:33.11 | cydork | Bogus8: yes and that's what you want right? |
| 18:33.18 | Bogus8 | cydork: correct |
| 18:33.22 | jshriver | wanting to create my own small custom distro and use the dpkg for management |
| 18:33.28 | Bogus8 | but mine always returns "false" |
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| 18:33.42 | Bogus8 | I can switch the variables and it still comes up false |
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| 18:35.17 | badcfe | hello. i have a problem with my gnome setup. |
| 18:35.18 | cydork | Bogus8: just try http://www.pastebin.ca/690562 |
| 18:35.25 | Bogus8 | k |
| 18:36.06 | badcfe | my prob is that "mplayer file" works on the command line, but not when i do "open with" mplayer under gnome. |
| 18:36.45 | liable | badcfe: use gmplayer under gnome |
| 18:37.26 | badcfe | when doing "open with" MPlayer then im told that the selecterd video_out is not good. |
| 18:38.00 | badcfe | liable: ah, now i come to understand that there is two separate players in here. MPlayer and mplayer ..huh |
| 18:38.23 | liable | mplayer and gmplayer |
| 18:38.46 | valdyn | badcfe: try available video outs with 'mplayuer -vo help', once you found a working setup, edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf or ~/.mplayer/config |
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| 18:39.10 | liable | badcfe: if you open it with gmplayer you can set preferences with clicky menus |
| 18:39.28 | badcfe | valdyn, liable: thanks! |
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| 18:39.53 | Bogus8 | cydork: nope, no good still says false when TimeStamp is updated everytime I run the script so it says "now" and my file I'm testing against is a week old |
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| 18:41.03 | Bogus8 | cydork: actually wait.. it does work |
| 18:41.20 | Bogus8 | I was expecting the opposite results... my fault |
| 18:41.28 | Bogus8 | but it was not working till you made those changes |
| 18:41.57 | Bogus8 | why doesn't it work with the ls command |
| 18:42.21 | cydork | Bogus8: ls was not the problem. test was. |
| 18:43.11 | cydork | !tell Bogus8 -about bash faq |
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| 18:43.41 | cydork | Bogus8: check that out and also there is #bash channel. |
| 18:43.43 | Bogus8 | cydork: I've checked that page fairly often... but I still don't get what was wrong with the syntax of my command :( |
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| 18:44.19 | liable | the #bash people will soon lart you into understanding :) |
| 18:44.38 | \amethyst | greycat wields a skillful cluebat |
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| 18:45.01 | Ronin | and he applies it with subilty and finese ;) |
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| 18:45.05 | liable | twkm is another with no mercy |
| 18:45.20 | cydork | heh |
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| 18:48.23 | xingu | valdyn: dunno if you caught my /msg but two thumbs up on nvidia-glx in ia32 chroot. |
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| 18:49.50 | cirdan | hey all, can anyone lend a quick hand with slapd? i just upgraded to unstable now it whines about the bdb version |
| 18:49.53 | xingu | valdyn: just as a side bonus xvmc now works for chroot'd clients too. |
| 18:49.57 | cirdan | google isn't saying much |
| 18:50.23 | cirdan | Program version 4.2 doesn't match environment version |
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| 18:52.54 | SpeedyG | xingu: when setting up a chroot, you're copy'ing all base files (and additional software) to the chroot dir (am I kinda right here?) but if a user logs into the chroot, and edits stuff, and a second user also logs into the chroot, does he see the stuff thats being edited by the first user? or is a chroot some sort of exact copy of the chroot you've set up ? |
| 18:52.59 | chops | cirdan: Checked the BTS? |
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| 18:54.26 | mick_work | hi everyone |
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| 18:54.38 | xingu | SpeedyG: chroot has a full blown deb/i386 installed via debootstrap |
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| 18:55.08 | mick_work | i'm trying to watch my webcam over a tunneled ssh (yes i use X11forwarding). I'm not able to use xawtv -- i get: X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode |
| 18:55.12 | xingu | SpeedyG: data volumes are loopback mounted hence shared. |
| 18:55.14 | mick_work | anyone know what that means? |
| 18:55.23 | xingu | SpeedyG: schroot makes it all totally painless |
| 18:55.29 | mmmmmmmmm | apache2-prefork-dev: Depends: libaprutil1-dev but it is not going to be installed, broken packages... |
| 18:55.33 | mmmmmmmmm | what can i do to solve this |
| 18:55.34 | mick_work | somehow i think it has to do w/ my video driver (how do i even know which one i'm using?) |
| 18:55.44 | xingu | mick_work: dga not supported but required by your x11 client |
| 18:55.52 | \amethyst | mick_work: it means xawtv, at least the way it's currently configured, doesn't support running over the network |
| 18:55.56 | SpeedyG | xingu: ah, thanks for the info :> |
| 18:56.24 | mick_work | xingu: my x client being? (xawtv? or my video driver?) |
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| 18:56.51 | mick_work | \amethyst: is there a way to do it w/ mplayer? i tried: mplayer tv:/// |
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| 18:57.05 | mick_work | i get a green screen |
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| 18:57.26 | cirdan | chops: yeah nothing jumped out at me |
| 18:57.30 | \amethyst | mick_work: you probably need to tell the program to use a different output driver that's not so fancy |
| 18:57.39 | \amethyst | mick_work: but I don't know mplayer or xawtv |
| 18:57.40 | hochimoo | http://rafb.net/p/3YERyk30.html I'm getting this sent to nobody@localhost. any ideas? |
| 18:57.43 | cirdan | google suggested running db_recover, but i can't locate that |
| 18:57.54 | academy | Can anyone recommend a company which sells smarthosts? I want all email, incoming or outgoing to go via an mx before reaching my dsl line. |
| 18:58.07 | xingu | mick_work: xawtv |
| 18:58.18 | chops | cirdan: You could always file a new bug... I'm not familiar with the package, so I can't say for certain how buggy the behavior sounds to me, of course. |
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| 18:58.59 | chops | mmmmmmmmm: What release of Debian are you running? How long has it been since you updated/upgraded? |
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| 18:59.09 | cirdan | it's been a few months or more |
| 18:59.12 | cirdan | unstable |
| 18:59.19 | cirdan | i just updated again |
| 18:59.21 | plb | I need to set the JAVA_HOME env variable globally what is the suggested debian way to do so |
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| 18:59.47 | hochimoo | academy: We can do that! |
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| 19:00.06 | [p0lar] | can someone send to me one good tuturial to make one kernel img that works whith sata ?! is strange this default kernel works but the other compilation dont and only change 2 configurations |
| 19:00.20 | mick_work | xingu / \amethyst - i got it to work w/ xawtv -remote :D |
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| 19:00.30 | academy | hockimoo: I besically want a backup mx which I can use as primary and an smtp relay |
| 19:00.36 | chops | cirdan: Did you upgrade after you updated? :-) Sometimes unstable Just Doesn't Work (TM) because of not-yet-available packages, also. |
| 19:00.48 | cirdan | yes |
| 19:01.09 | hochimoo | academy: pm me your email |
| 19:01.11 | chops | cirdan: If you investigate the dependencies and see that apache2-mpm-prefork actually depends on a version that's not yet available, I'd say your best bet is just to wait |
| 19:01.24 | SlimG3 | I've got a 1.5TB RAID5 array (4 disks), What filesystem should I choose? EXT3 or ReiserFS ? |
| 19:01.28 | academy | academy, I'd rather you just pm'd me rather than emailing me |
| 19:01.32 | academy | ugh hochimoo |
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| 19:01.37 | chops | SlimG3: ext3. _Definitely_ not reiser. |
| 19:01.43 | cirdan | chops: not good, my mail is all ldap |
| 19:01.50 | \amethyst | XFS has its uses too |
| 19:01.59 | [p0lar] | fucks i give im gona try ubuntu thanks for the help anyway looks i cant do much here :x |
| 19:02.00 | SlimG3 | chops: Thanks alot for the warning |
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| 19:02.02 | chops | SlimG3: XFS might also be a candidate; it's good for large FSes. FWIW I use ext3 on my large RAID array. |
| 19:02.08 | \amethyst | SlimG3: what kind of file sizes? |
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| 19:02.15 | cirdan | i have xfs tuned really well |
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| 19:02.34 | cirdan | sudo mkfs.xfs -f -L fs_1 -ssize=4096 -l size=64m,sunit=512 /dev/foo |
| 19:02.51 | cirdan | and use defaults,noatime,nodiratime,logbufs=8 as mount flags |
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| 19:03.32 | SlimG3 | \amethyst: Filesizes vary from 1MB to 7GB, most files is about 1MB |
| 19:04.01 | \amethyst | SlimG3: then if you use ext3, you probably want to do -T largefile |
| 19:04.04 | chops | SlimG3: Another thing to investigate is to do RAID10 instead of RAID5 -- you lose some storage but the performance is much better. I've not been happy with the I/O performance of _my_ 1.5TB four-disk array. Someone told me that 4 disks in a RAID5 array is a bad idea for performance (but that 3 and 5 both perform well), but his logic didn't make sense to me. YMMV. |
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| 19:04.11 | DustyBin | mypasswordsafe v zsafe, would would you choose to manager your passwords? |
| 19:04.37 | cirdan | chops: gonna try building myself |
| 19:04.52 | cirdan | i usually have better luck with unstable than testing, oh well |
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| 19:05.22 | hochimoo | academy: is you nick registered? |
| 19:05.22 | chops | SlimG3: I'm probably going to switch to RAID10 when I need to add storage here. Also, if you do use ext3, make sure you make the fs with the resize_inode (IIRC) option; it's needed if you want online resizing. |
| 19:05.33 | SlimG3 | chops: for some reason I didn't get the raid10 option when installing debian etch |
| 19:05.45 | \amethyst | SlimG3: that will save you quite a bit of space on inodes... with the default it takes about 1.5% of the disk space for inodes, -T largefile cuts that down by a couple of orders of magnitude |
| 19:05.56 | chops | SlimG3: I didn't do that, and I got screwed when I wanted to add storage. resize2fs on a terabyte filesystem takes a long time. |
| 19:06.47 | juso | how would I get a list of installed pkgs on system? |
| 19:06.52 | chops | cirdan: You could always install both of the things you need from testing; if unstable's not too out of date that might work for you. |
| 19:06.59 | chops | juso: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 19:07.02 | \amethyst | juso: aptitude search ~i |
| 19:07.29 | SlimG3 | chops: I'm won't add storage to this array, It'll be entirely replaced in a couple of years |
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| 19:10.27 | flixil | Is there any way to install a package and mark it as manually installed with aptitude or i have to use dpkg -i and then mark it as installed manually? Thanks |
| 19:10.43 | SlimG3 | \amethyst & chops: Thanks for your tutoring, I really apprechiate (probably misspelled) it :) |
| 19:10.51 | chops | SlimG3: np |
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| 19:11.27 | \amethyst | flixil: aptitude unmarkauto package |
| 19:12.20 | ampex | can anyone tell me what the minimum packages are for running x clients over an ssh tunnel? |
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| 19:12.28 | ampex | I don't want a full blown x install with a window manager, etc. |
| 19:12.35 | \amethyst | ampex: xbase-clients |
| 19:12.47 | \amethyst | ampex: I think that's enough |
| 19:12.50 | flixil | \amethyst, so if i have a .deb i'll have to install it first with dpkg as always? |
| 19:13.37 | SlimG3 | \amethyst & chops: One last question: where should I mount this array to mount it on the "correct" path according to the unspoken laws of the linux hierarchy? |
| 19:13.49 | \amethyst | SlimG3: what are you putting on it? |
| 19:14.04 | \amethyst | flixil: yes |
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| 19:14.17 | chops | SlimG3: Depends on your usage. I do /srv/big-storage, and the one application that I can't conveniently configure to look in /src/big-storage/foo I handle with a symlink. |
| 19:14.24 | chops | s/src/srv/ |
| 19:14.40 | mmmmmmmmm | chops |
| 19:14.49 | mmmmmmmmm | i upgrated to etch |
| 19:15.03 | mmmmmmmmm | i just run apt-get upgrade |
| 19:15.04 | chops | SlimG3: /srv is the FHS place to put crap that isn't package-managed and doesn't have an obvious place in the FHS |
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| 19:15.16 | mmmmmmmmm | after apt-get update ofcourse |
| 19:15.46 | masus | hi all, how to change the installation directory of "ltsp-build-client" |
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| 19:15.52 | ampex | does debian have a graphical version of vi? |
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| 19:16.14 | masus | ampex: try mc |
| 19:16.22 | SlimG3 | chops: Thanks, /srv it is |
| 19:16.43 | cirdan | chops: hmm, installing db4.3-util and running the recover there seemed to fix it, grr |
| 19:17.03 | chops | cirdan: It might still be worth a bug -- upgrades are supposed to be smoother than that :-/ |
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| 19:17.24 | cirdan | i assume if the right upgrade was present on the system it would have been fine |
| 19:17.31 | abrotman | ampex: gvim |
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| 19:17.51 | abrotman | ampex: apt-cache search gvim |
| 19:17.54 | ampex | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:18.05 | d3c | hi guys, what's a good program for sending HTML mails in debian? |
| 19:18.05 | abrotman | i think there's vim-gtk and vim-gnome |
| 19:18.09 | ampex | I've been using debian for a while, and I find myself doing this, there must be a better way: |
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| 19:18.33 | \amethyst | Just use vim-full :) |
| 19:18.36 | chops | d3c: evolution and icedove are the standard candidates. I don't like either of them, but I don't like HTML mail :-) |
| 19:19.05 | dalias | html mail considered harmful... |
| 19:19.06 | d3c | chops, forgot to mention: they have to be command-line based. |
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| 19:19.10 | ampex | I install something using apt-get install and it may come along with a lot of dependencies. I later decide that I want to remove all of the files installed in my last apt-get command. I tend to copy and paste the individual package names to a text file and paste them back into an apt-get --purge remove afterwards. Is there a better way to track which packages were installed at a certain point in time and remove them afterwards? |
| 19:19.12 | dalias | wtf |
| 19:19.18 | dalias | commandline based html mail?! |
| 19:19.18 | abrotman | ampex: use aptitude instead |
| 19:19.24 | dalias | isnt that an oxymoron? |
| 19:19.30 | abrotman | just for you |
| 19:19.36 | dalias | anyway |
| 19:19.36 | chops | d3c: Wait -- so you have an HTML message already composed, and you want a command-line way to send it? |
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| 19:19.44 | d3c | chops, yes |
| 19:19.45 | dalias | if you want to write the html by hand you can use mutt |
| 19:19.48 | ampex | abrotman: how would aptitude help me? |
| 19:19.50 | dalias | ah |
| 19:19.51 | dalias | that's easy |
| 19:20.02 | d3c | by SMTP |
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| 19:20.12 | abrotman | ampex: it remembers what was installed with the package you wanted .. if nothing else depends on it when you remove the original package .. it takes the others with it |
| 19:20.22 | abrotman | d3c: did you do all the mime-encoding crap ? |
| 19:20.25 | dalias | just put correct mime headers on it (Content-type: text/html; charset=...) |
| 19:20.26 | thibaud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:20.34 | ampex | abrotman: and this can be done from the command line? |
| 19:20.38 | dalias | then send it with 'sendmail' command |
| 19:20.38 | ElDiabolo | I want to keep apache 1.3 while dist-upgrading from woody to etch. How do I do this? |
| 19:20.43 | abrotman | ampex: i do it all the time |
| 19:20.51 | ampex | abrotman: sweet, thanks, I'll look into it |
| 19:20.57 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: etch has apache1 |
| 19:21.04 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: you'll have to go to sarge first |
| 19:21.29 | chops | d3c: Hm, you might be able to botch something together with MIME::Tools. I'm not familiar with a tool that will let you do it straight from the command line, but there probably is one. |
| 19:21.34 | abrotman | !info apache etch |
| 19:21.37 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
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| 19:22.02 | d3c | ok. the thing is, when I try to do it with php it just sends the mail as plain text even though I specify content-type and so forth. seems like something is wrong on my server... |
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| 19:22.35 | ElDiabolo | abrotman: Really? Etch has an apache 1.3? Cool! |
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| 19:22.57 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 19:23.10 | ElDiabolo | abrotman: But upgrading directly and the apt-getting apache should do, too, right? |
| 19:23.13 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: FSVO cool .. |
| 19:23.16 | ribnitz | My dvd burner died. Any recommendations? |
| 19:23.18 | abrotman | ElDiabolo: you have to go through sarge first |
| 19:23.22 | abrotman | ribnitz: get a new one |
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| 19:23.39 | chops | d3c: You have to fool with MIME parts in order for it to work properly; you can't just send HTML and have it work, unfortunately. |
| 19:24.04 | ribnitz | abrotman: yes, ofc. Was more looking for "Avoid brand XYZ","I liked my brand XYZ".. |
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| 19:24.21 | ElDiabolo | abrotman: Whats FSVO? |
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| 19:24.45 | thelostbutler | hello folks any recommendations on what webmailer to use on a debian system that works well with postfix/courier-imap ? |
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| 19:24.53 | abrotman | !fsvo |
| 19:24.54 | dpkg | somebody said fsvo was For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 19:25.01 | dkr | for some values of. pointing out that it is a very subjective term |
| 19:25.06 | d3c | chops, do you have something more specific about MIME? I'm pretty lost. Is there some standard "setting-up-mime-tut"? |
| 19:25.07 | abrotman | thelostbutler: horde/imp if you can get it going |
| 19:25.15 | ribnitz | thelostbutler: depends on the features you need. |
| 19:25.40 | chops | d3c: Not really; I've found it a big PITA the times I've interacted with it. Just a sec... |
| 19:26.02 | ribnitz | thelostbutler: IlohaMail is one end of the spectrum; things like horde, or squirrelmail are the other. |
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| 19:26.32 | XJih78 | hi |
| 19:26.34 | thelostbutler | abrotman: thanks for the suggestion |
| 19:26.35 | ribnitz | thelostbutler: if you simply need a web-interface to imap, horde is overkill though. |
| 19:26.45 | thelostbutler | ribnitz: i shall check all of them out |
| 19:26.46 | XJih78 | can i watch windows media player video with firefox? |
| 19:26.52 | XJih78 | and how? |
| 19:27.00 | chops | d3c: Actually, "man MIME::Tools" gives you a pretty good guide if you're familiar with perl. See the second example ("Here's some code which composes and sends a MIME message"). |
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| 19:27.08 | thelostbutler | ribnitz: thanks for the recommendation |
| 19:27.10 | ribnitz | thelostbutler: Ilohamail can be made to work in 15 mins. |
| 19:27.29 | ribnitz | thelostbutler: horde in 15 mins is unlikely |
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| 19:27.37 | cirdan | chops: nope, hrm |
| 19:27.38 | gulbrain | Hi. I have debian 4.0r0. mislaid CD. downloaded update CD. is there a way to update without booting from the new CD or can I download 4.0r0 again? Thanks. |
| 19:27.38 | cirdan | didnt work |
| 19:27.59 | DocPlatypus | you probably want to get the updated release anyway as that has the security fixes |
| 19:28.00 | chops | d3c: Even if you're not familiar with perl, you might be able to fake something up based on that example. |
| 19:28.05 | thelostbutler | ribnitz: oh interesting. i shall check it out :) thank you |
| 19:28.14 | chops | d3c: Sorry I can't be of more use :-/. |
| 19:28.20 | ribnitz | gulbrain: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; with correctly configured sources. |
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| 19:28.43 | d3c | chops, appreciate your help. the reason I'm asking is because I have to send roughly 3000 html mails tomorrow morning. |
| 19:28.47 | dr_gogeta86 | ciao a tutti |
| 19:28.52 | dr_gogeta86 | i to all |
| 19:28.59 | chops | d3c: Fun stuff |
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| 19:29.25 | ribnitz | abrotman: In your opinion does the brand matter at all, or can I simply get the cheapest one? |
| 19:29.47 | geo-rge | what is tutti |
| 19:30.01 | d3c | chops, and it just won't work. tried to use php-based swiftmail. however, it also fails because of some fsockopen error... hm |
| 19:30.05 | chops | d3c: One tip: don't use exim. It spawns a process per 'sendmail' invocation and doesn't do any throttling (or didn't the last time I used it). See http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/unretouched-qix-loadmeter.png for why this isn't a good idea. |
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| 19:30.41 | ribnitz | chops: exim(4) can be very finely tuned, also throttled. |
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| 19:30.52 | d3c | chops, alright. I'm using postfix |
| 19:31.14 | chops | ribnitz: I think this was exim 3. Also, I don't really know how to use it and didn't make any attempt at tuning. So really my complaints are not all that fair :-). |
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| 19:32.08 | ribnitz | chops: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Spam-Filtering-for-MX/ is a good start. |
| 19:32.18 | ElDiabolo | Wow. There is even libapache-mod-perl in etch. |
| 19:33.15 | mick_work | anyone here have a quickcam pro? i'd like to know if it has motion sensors on it |
| 19:33.43 | pickcoder | mick_work: motion sensors? |
| 19:33.55 | mick_work | to detect movement |
| 19:34.00 | dkr | take pic, take another pic, if diff > x pixels == motion detected |
| 19:34.00 | pickcoder | mick_work: the software does that |
| 19:34.12 | mick_work | pickcoder: oh ya - duh sorry :) |
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| 19:34.32 | gulbrain | ribnitz: well, that upgraded xserver-xorg-core only. Maybe I'm chasing the wrong problem - "apt-get install openssh-server" asks for 4.0r0 CD. |
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| 19:34.35 | cryptos | hi |
| 19:34.37 | cryptos | What means this error: "Contains a free cluster (2623693). Assuming EOF." see: http://rafb.net/p/OX8qko48.html ??? |
| 19:34.59 | ribnitz | gulbrain: you need to adapt /etc/apt/sources list. |
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| 19:35.14 | geo-rge | what is .za timezone? gmt+-what? |
| 19:35.31 | brett | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.32 | ribnitz | geo-rge: either gmt or gmt +1 |
| 19:35.38 | ribnitz | geo-rge: probably gmt |
| 19:35.40 | brett | crap |
| 19:36.00 | ribnitz | geo-rge: plus perhaps daylight savings. |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | ribnitz: maybe ask #hardware |
| 19:36.52 | geo-rge | so if I'm gmt-7, do I add 7 hrs to get to gmt then (maybe) add another hour to get to .za? |
| 19:36.55 | ribnitz | abrotman: ok. |
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| 19:37.09 | \amethyst | geo-rge: you could just run tzselect |
| 19:37.12 | cirdan | chops: ok now im really confused |
| 19:37.17 | cirdan | slapd -d 1 works |
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| 19:37.32 | geo-rge | slap deedee! |
| 19:37.32 | cirdan | /etc/init.d/slapd doesnt |
| 19:38.12 | sander | Hi. I'm trying to compile ffmpeg from source.. latest svn. with x264 support.. I get "x264 not found".. Wondring where I can download the x264 library |
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| 19:39.55 | sander | It seems yum got a package x264-devel.. But I cant find a simular package in apt-get |
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| 19:40.22 | hark | apt-cache search x264 dev |
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| 19:40.40 | sander | hark, No response |
| 19:40.41 | abrotman | hark: zip |
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| 19:41.32 | hark | oh, it's debian-multimedia |
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| 19:42.05 | geo-rge | does debian provide a secure imapd (something maybe like imapd over an ssl) |
| 19:42.14 | cirdan | geo-rge: i like cyrus |
| 19:42.16 | sander | hark, I got "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" in my sources file |
| 19:42.24 | cirdan | or you can use stunnel |
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| 19:43.11 | johnadsfsdfdf | after i reboot my loopback adapter doesnt come up, anyone know how i can fix that? |
| 19:43.21 | geo-rge | but if I do that, how would I go about using "conventional" software that might be installed say in a library to access it? |
| 19:43.22 | cirdan | ah |
| 19:43.23 | cirdan | they changed the owner on me, of the slapd process i htink |
| 19:43.36 | brett | johnadsfsdfdf: is it in your /network/interfaces file? |
| 19:43.38 | cirdan | sudo chown -R openldap:openldap /var/lib/ldap fixed it |
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| 19:43.51 | abrotman | geo-rge: yes |
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| 19:44.19 | abrotman | geo-rge: i believe cyrus and courier can both do imap, imap/tls, and imaps(imap/ssl) |
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| 19:44.28 | johnadsfsdfdf | brett: there is this line "iface lo inet loopback" |
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| 19:44.50 | abrotman | johnadsfsdfdf: is there an 'auto lo' line ? |
| 19:44.50 | Danielss89 | Does anyone know a program which i can install so that i can listen to my music over the internet? |
| 19:44.55 | abrotman | mpd |
| 19:44.58 | johnadsfsdfdf | no, should there be |
| 19:45.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:45.04 | hark | sander: it's libx264-dev here (dmm sid) |
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| 19:45.27 | geo-rge | abrotman: have you used same from either side (client or server)? |
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| 19:45.40 | abrotman | geo-rge: i have cyrus setup here to do ssl and tls IIRC |
| 19:45.48 | abrotman | and regular |
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| 19:46.27 | geo-rge | I kinda know what ssl is, it's underlying layer for ssh &etc (right?), but what is tls and how does it compare? |
| 19:46.51 | abrotman | !tls |
| 19:46.51 | dpkg | it has been said that tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 19:47.07 | abrotman | you can run imap and imap/tls on 143 .. imaps runs on 993 |
| 19:47.11 | DocPlatypus | ssl has nothing to do with ssh |
| 19:47.25 | geo-rge | ok |
| 19:47.27 | loopde | tls is ssl ? |
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| 19:47.50 | abrotman | !tls is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security |
| 19:47.51 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 19:48.19 | abrotman | geo-rge: http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/cyrus-config.html |
| 19:48.26 | hackeron_ | can someone please tell me what is wrong with this command? -- hal-get-property --uid '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_471_329_01690000D6490742_video4linux' --key 'info.parent' -- the uid is definitely correct and the key is correct too, but I get a command syntax error for some reason |
| 19:48.28 | Danielss89 | Does anyone know a program which i can install so that i can listen to my music over the internet? Something so i can choose which song i would hear and then its streamed |
| 19:48.38 | Danielss89 | with reapeat buttons and shuffle and so.. |
| 19:48.43 | abrotman | mpd |
| 19:48.44 | sander | Hark: I found some etch mirrors on apt-get.org with the libx264 package |
| 19:49.04 | geo-rge | abrotman: so you have an imapd that can do this... do you ever connect to it from random remote location using tls or ssl? |
| 19:49.13 | hackeron_ | oh wait, damn, never mind it's --udi |
| 19:49.22 | abrotman | geo-rge: i can .. but i odn't .. i use the webmail |
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| 19:49.57 | abrotman | i forget how to show the capabilities of the IMAP |
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| 19:51.23 | pickcoder | meh, imap |
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| 19:51.39 | geo-rge | abrotman: I'm figuring I want to be able to access my email when I'm out and about... |
| 19:51.56 | pickcoder | geo-rge: openvpn |
| 19:52.02 | geo-rge | not of immediate concern |
| 19:52.08 | abrotman | geo-rge: you could do something like IMAPS with smtp/tls |
| 19:52.39 | geo-rge | so I could use my local MTA to send |
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| 19:52.48 | abrotman | you could if you configure it correctly |
| 19:53.01 | abrotman | erm .. i'm sorry .. smtp/sasl :) |
| 19:53.11 | geo-rge | np, sasl? |
| 19:53.16 | brett | johnadsfsdfdf: add a 'auto lo' before the iface stanza |
| 19:53.16 | abrotman | http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html |
| 19:53.21 | brett | auto lo |
| 19:53.22 | brett | iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | geo-rge: fyi .. took me a bit to get it giong |
| 19:53.52 | johnadsfsdfdf | brett: done, and restarted... works perfectly, thanks |
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| 19:54.36 | geo-rge | go go gadget lo! |
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| 19:56.56 | geo-rge | pickcoder: how can I apply openvpn? |
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| 19:57.13 | pickcoder | you get a route to your network, on your local machine |
| 19:57.16 | pickcoder | so it's like being at home |
| 19:57.20 | pickcoder | or work.. or wherever |
| 19:57.21 | abrotman | except way slower :) |
| 19:57.25 | geo-rge | especially from some computer that has vista or xp loaded and that's in some library |
| 19:57.26 | pickcoder | nah.. it's not bad |
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| 19:57.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: depends on the speed of the connection and the machines at both ends |
| 19:57.42 | pickcoder | I use ssh, pop, smtp, etc so it's worthwhile |
| 19:57.52 | pickcoder | if all you need is pop/imap then it's overkill |
| 19:58.08 | gulbrain | ribnitx: Thanks - got openssh-server installed. -- commented out 4.0r0 CD from sources.lst |
| 19:58.11 | pickcoder | openvpn has a windows GUI client |
| 19:58.18 | geo-rge | well right now "need" is a pretty strong word |
| 19:58.19 | pickcoder | I use it regularly on business ntrips |
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| 20:02.46 | hochimoo | What happens to the mails that spam assassin weeds out, do they end up in some nether world or is there somewhere I can see em? |
| 20:02.53 | ribnitz | abrotman: Thanks. Now I now that the real important stuff with dvd burners is their size. |
| 20:03.09 | geo-rge | hochimoo: I'll give you a look around the corner... |
| 20:03.27 | geo-rge | around the corner, look! there's a #spamassassin ! |
| 20:03.30 | ElDiabolo | hochimoo: There is a folder for them and possibly a cleanup cron job. |
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| 20:04.25 | eth01 | I'm wanting to expand my disc storage, what should I do? |
| 20:04.33 | eth01 | add an extra HDD. |
| 20:04.38 | ribnitz | eth01: get a new disk? |
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| 20:04.49 | ribnitz | eth01: use LVM |
| 20:05.09 | eth01 | how can I check if i installed using LVM? |
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| 20:05.14 | ribnitz | eth01: use a file system that supports expanding (jfs, xfs) |
| 20:05.47 | ricky | eth01: sudo /usr/sbin/lvs? |
| 20:05.48 | ribnitz | eth01: lvdisplay; if it gives an error, you dont. |
| 20:06.25 | eth01 | -bash: lvdisplay: command not found |
| 20:06.37 | ribnitz | eth01: Easier: non-lvm volumes are usually hdX or sdX, lvm volumes have speaking names. |
| 20:06.48 | ricky | eth01: It's in /usr/sbin, and you need to run it as root. |
| 20:06.53 | geo-rge | names that talk!! |
| 20:06.55 | geo-rge | wow! |
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| 20:07.30 | themill | lvdisplay | festival |
| 20:07.35 | geo-rge | "my name is "my name is "my name is "my name is ..."""" |
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| 20:07.57 | abrotman | hochimoo: depends on your setup |
| 20:09.06 | eth01 | i dont have any of those located in /sbin |
| 20:09.06 | eth01 | :/ |
| 20:09.15 | ribnitz | eth01: lvm can be added later, if there are free partitions or space to make them; also boot partition should not be lvm, if you want to use grub |
| 20:09.25 | eth01 | i do use grub. |
| 20:09.31 | ribnitz | eth01: Evms is similar. |
| 20:09.31 | eth01 | it's got 4 stupid booting lines. |
| 20:09.34 | eth01 | which is pathetic. |
| 20:09.39 | hochimoo | abrotman: I got an answer from #spamassassin they say that spamassassin can delete email, only mark them as spam |
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| 20:10.07 | hochimoo | abrotman: Im just trying to send myself some spam, Its quite hard thing to do :) |
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| 20:10.48 | ribnitz | eth01: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
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| 20:11.02 | themill | hochimoo: there's sample "spam" in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/examples/sample-spam.txt |
| 20:11.18 | nik11 | quit |
| 20:11.39 | hochimoo | themill: I mean actually physically send it |
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| 20:11.41 | themill | hochimoo: it's actually just a special message that spamassassin will catch with a huge point value (100 iirc) |
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| 20:12.22 | hochimoo | I remember an application that would send it for you |
| 20:12.31 | hochimoo | but I cant remember what it was called |
| 20:12.34 | ribnitz | Is there anything better out there than ext2/ext3 that can be done on the /boot partitionb, which grub can still load? |
| 20:12.39 | chops | ribnitz: With modern kernels ext3 supports resizing online |
| 20:13.04 | eth01 | where can i edit the grub.conf? |
| 20:13.07 | ribnitz | chops: I stopped using ext3, except for the boot partition. |
| 20:13.16 | chops | ribnitz: Why isn't ext3 good enough for the /boot partition? |
| 20:13.56 | ribnitz | chops: If i could use xfs, I would no longer need the ext3 mod? |
| 20:14.06 | ribnitz | chops: or jfs.. |
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| 20:14.11 | themill | hochimoo: I just copy that file, change the headers with a new "To" and use sendmail -bt < testspam |
| 20:14.53 | ribnitz | chops: at work I currently use lilo to boot an lvm setup.. |
| 20:15.26 | eth01 | grub.conf |
| 20:15.49 | ribnitz | eth01: /boot/grub/menu.lst; usually |
| 20:16.09 | dalias | wow i made a big debloat to my debian by apt-get removing input method modules i wasnt using |
| 20:16.20 | dalias | (why does it load ones that aren't in use?!) |
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| 20:16.30 | dalias | uim, that is |
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| 20:23.04 | fastputty | ls -al |
| 20:23.06 | fastputty | ops |
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| 20:24.36 | dvlsleep | debo is the best |
| 20:24.37 | dvlsleep | :-) |
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| 20:25.52 | geo-rge | are we not men? wee ar debo... are we not men? dee ee bee ohh |
| 20:26.05 | Mathiazz | hi all, i would like to see trailer from "http://www.apple.com/trailers/" with my debian etch, but the debian plugin doesnt work |
| 20:26.12 | Mathiazz | somebody could help me |
| 20:26.13 | Mathiazz | =) |
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| 20:26.25 | dvlsleep | debo its a lovely nickname of debian on brazil |
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| 20:28.14 | en1gma | sup all |
| 20:28.27 | en1gma | how do i make a post at pastebin with no line-breaks |
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| 20:28.55 | en1gma | i dont want wordwrap kind of |
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| 20:30.43 | Mathiazz | hi all, i would like to see trailer from "http://www.apple.com/trailers/" with my debian etch, but the debian plugin doesnt work |
| 20:30.54 | Mathiazz | =) |
| 20:31.16 | Mathiazz | is there somebody there who had the same probleme |
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| 20:31.29 | themill | Mathiazz: don't make us guess... what plugin does it want? |
| 20:31.41 | en1gma | quicktine* |
| 20:32.31 | raavi | Mathiazz: Try to install quicktime plugin. |
| 20:32.46 | ampex | does quicktime exist under linux? wouldn't he need mplayer? |
| 20:32.58 | Mathiazz | yes i try |
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| 20:33.11 | ampex | Mathiazz: do you have mplayer installed? |
| 20:33.13 | thanda | Mathiazz: What happened? |
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| 20:33.34 | thanda | ampex: mplayer itself do not provide any plugins. |
| 20:33.40 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR DAD |
| 20:33.43 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR PONY |
| 20:33.47 | Mathiazz | but it doesnt exist for linux on apple website |
| 20:33.48 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR DAD |
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| 20:33.49 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR PONY |
| 20:33.50 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR DAD |
| 20:33.52 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR PONY |
| 20:33.53 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR DAD |
| 20:33.54 | themill | !ops prostitfef is trolling |
| 20:33.54 | prostitfef | I FUCKED YOUR PONY |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: prostitfef is trolling |
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| 20:34.05 | thanda | ampex: rather, try to install w32codecs |
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| 20:34.15 | themill | Mathiazz: I have totem-xine installed along with codecs from dmm |
| 20:34.23 | themill | !tell Mathiazz about dmm |
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| 20:34.32 | streuner | thanks tomaw, you are always here when you need it... |
| 20:34.33 | themill | Mathiazz: and the trailers work ok. |
| 20:34.41 | themill | tomaw: thanks |
| 20:34.43 | Mathiazz | ampex => i have mplayer yes. and it read quicktime video |
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| 20:34.46 | tomaw | np :) |
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| 20:34.58 | hochimoo | um, how o I make ssure the spamd daemon starts on boot? |
| 20:35.14 | themill | hochimoo: for all users? |
| 20:35.18 | hochimoo | I had to start in manually |
| 20:35.26 | Mathiazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.33 | dvlsleep | create a script to start that in etc/init.d |
| 20:35.38 | pickcoder | hochimoo: /etc/default/spamassassin |
| 20:35.47 | ampex | spamd != spamassassin |
| 20:35.52 | ampex | nm |
| 20:35.55 | ampex | my mistake |
| 20:35.59 | ampex | i'm smoking something today |
| 20:36.04 | ampex | I was thinking of dspam |
| 20:36.05 | hochimoo | themill: hmm, What would you reccomend |
| 20:36.16 | themill | dvlsleep: there already is one, but it's not enabled by default. |
| 20:36.19 | hochimoo | I have 3 or 4 users using the mailserver |
| 20:36.41 | hochimoo | sorry, my mail skills are rather primative |
| 20:36.47 | dvlsleep | well, enable it |
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| 20:37.02 | themill | hochimoo: I'm the only user on my laptop so it's started running as my user when I login. On another mail server I have it running as it's own user as part of a milter setup. It's up to you how you want to run it. |
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| 20:37.52 | themill | Mathiazz: yes -- dmm == debian-multimedia.org (see the botblurb that dpkg sent to you by pm) |
| 20:38.27 | hochimoo | okay, Im the only person that logs onto the mailserver to mostly cack it up. How would I set it up so all mail in was checked? |
| 20:38.46 | Mathiazz | themill => thx, it s installed, do i need to install a player to use these codecs |
| 20:38.48 | Mathiazz | ? |
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| 20:39.33 | themill | Mathiazz: I'm using totem with the xine backend which uses those codecs. Yes, some sort of player is required. There are a number that will work as a plugin to moz. |
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| 20:41.25 | pickcoder | hochimoo: the spamassassin daemon does not start at boot by default |
| 20:41.30 | Bogus8 | can I mod a "modified" time stamp on a file? |
| 20:41.34 | pickcoder | I told you where to fix that |
| 20:42.20 | themill | Bogus8: man touch |
| 20:42.28 | Bogus8 | themill: thanks |
| 20:42.42 | Mathiazz | themill: how can i do to tell iceasel to read a quicktime video with mplayer? |
| 20:42.46 | Mathiazz | plugin? |
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| 20:43.23 | Mathiazz | do i have to follow the path //usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 20:43.32 | Mathiazz | which plugin |
| 20:43.35 | Mathiazz | mplayerplug-in-qt.so |
| 20:43.35 | Mathiazz | mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt |
| 20:43.35 | Mathiazz | mplayerplug-in-rm.so |
| 20:43.35 | Mathiazz | mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt |
| 20:43.35 | Mathiazz | mplayerplug-in.so |
| 20:43.35 | Mathiazz | mplayerplug-in-wmp.so |
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| 20:43.41 | eth01 | rofl. |
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| 20:44.34 | Mathiazz | i am back |
| 20:44.40 | Mathiazz | sorry |
| 20:44.53 | themill | !paste |
| 20:44.53 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 20:54.34 | new-debianist | hello to all :) |
| 20:54.56 | Xteven | hi |
| 20:55.06 | Xteven | new to debian ? :) |
| 20:55.27 | new-debianist | yeah |
| 20:55.33 | new-debianist | but it is simply fantastic :) |
| 20:55.38 | dvlsleep | uhuhu :-) |
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| 20:55.44 | Xteven | yup |
| 20:55.47 | Xteven | 'nuff said :) |
| 20:56.00 | MarcoPau | may I ask you guys to suggest an open source irc client for windoze? |
| 20:56.11 | dvlsleep | xchat |
| 20:56.11 | dvlsleep | :-) |
| 20:56.13 | simonrvn | xchat |
| 20:56.16 | eth01 | #windows |
| 20:56.32 | eth01 | and you can use many *nix clients on cygwin, if your clever. |
| 20:56.52 | simonrvn | "you're" |
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| 20:57.11 | nomatter | hi |
| 20:57.14 | eth01 | no, your, not you're. |
| 20:57.24 | MarcoPau | dvlsleep: yes but for that you need to pay, am I wrong? |
| 20:57.38 | dvlsleep | u're wrong |
| 20:58.02 | dvlsleep | xchat is a free src, gpl irc client |
| 20:58.04 | MarcoPau | dvlsleep: the windows version |
| 20:58.16 | nomatter | is it possible that aptitude safes the downloaded files of aptitude upgrade at an spcified directory not the default cause there isn't enough storage on the default hdd |
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| 20:58.29 | jakub_ | hi |
| 20:58.31 | loupgaroublond | nomatter, just mount a new hard drive in that location |
| 20:58.35 | jakub_ | please i need to install my printer |
| 20:58.43 | nomatter | what is the default location? |
| 20:58.44 | nomatter | don't know it |
| 20:58.50 | loupgaroublond | /var/cache/apt/ |
| 20:58.50 | jakub_ | hp laserjet 6p |
| 20:58.50 | eth01 | -/var |
| 20:58.53 | nomatter | only know that it is on my root location |
| 20:58.57 | nomatter | ok thx a lot |
| 20:59.14 | jakub_ | hi please in eed to install my printer hp dejsket 6p, but if i go to control panel in kde, i cant install driver, drivers are not here :( |
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| 21:00.08 | dvlsleep | yeap, for windows the client is free for 30 days |
| 21:00.14 | dvlsleep | after this time you would to pay |
| 21:00.15 | dvlsleep | :~ |
| 21:00.16 | eth01` | as is mIRC. |
| 21:00.18 | eth01` | lame. |
| 21:00.23 | jakub_ | i cant choose manufacturer and model |
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| 21:01.35 | eth01` | o.0 |
| 21:01.48 | new-debianist | excuse me... can I ask you a question? |
| 21:02.36 | new-debianist | you will answer: don't ask to ask... just ask :D |
| 21:02.36 | new-debianist | so.. let's ask :D |
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| 21:02.36 | eth01` | their are many this channel, don't ask to ask either. |
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| 21:02.38 | fastputty | may i ask a quesiton, why poeple ask question? |
| 21:02.38 | fastputty | :O |
| 21:02.52 | amphi | !lart fastputty |
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| 21:03.18 | fastputty | X( |
| 21:03.22 | eth01` | where the hell are those commands for that bot? |
| 21:03.34 | fastputty | !lart eth01` |
| 21:03.45 | ameyer | !lart dpkg |
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| 21:03.51 | dkr | eth01`: /msg dpkg help |
| 21:03.52 | eth01` | :/ |
| 21:04.05 | fastputty | !lart eth01` |
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| 21:05.03 | eth01` | !lart to the people in the channel which have _ _ _ in their nickname so they look "dead big and good!" |
| 21:05.06 | eth01` | :( |
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| 21:05.44 | ameyer | !lart !lart |
| 21:05.45 | testergg | Hi All, I wanted to get anyone's choice on how they would backup and restore of course a system with 2 partitions (1 for everything except var) and var (data) being able to recover from being hacked is the intent... the system would be a raided (mdadm) mirror |
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| 21:06.02 | eth01` | ameyer: okay enough. |
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| 21:09.49 | chops | testergg: amanda is a popular backup system; many people seem to like it |
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| 21:12.35 | testergg | chops: do you have any experience with it? it seems over kill, we don't have many systems |
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| 21:13.18 | chops | testergg: I do not. I do all my backups with tar. I know better than to recommend that solution to other people, though :-). |
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| 21:15.11 | testergg | chops: thanks for your suggestion, any other ideas? or suggestion? |
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| 21:17.12 | amphi | testergg: rsync? |
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| 21:18.14 | Jkl82 | Hi... Im having problems with with a couple of package... "Ign http://ftp.es.debian.org testing/non-free Translation-es" |
| 21:18.38 | Jkl82 | Is the problem "translation"? |
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| 21:19.14 | Jkl82 | I mean... is there a problem with "charset" or some other thing? |
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| 21:20.07 | testergg | amphi: can we easily restore with rsync, partition and boot info? if so I will look into it |
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| 21:21.25 | amphi | testergg: no; you could dd the mbr and partition table though |
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| 21:23.10 | Jkl82 | amphi, have u got an idea about non-free package problems translations? |
| 21:23.27 | amphi | Jkl82: eh? |
| 21:23.51 | Jkl82 | Im trying to get a package and I can't...(testing) |
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| 21:24.30 | testergg | amphi: any linux packages that could do it all together with a bootable live cd? to recover |
| 21:24.35 | Jkl82 | amphi, any Idea?...Ign http://ftp.es.debian.org testing/non-free Translation-es |
| 21:24.46 | hochimoo | What is the unix email test command for sending emails direct to hosts? |
| 21:24.54 | wykis | Hello, what to do to synchronise the system's time with the hardware clock? it's 22:25 right now, same in the hardware clock, but 22:04 on the system, this is really annoying! |
| 21:25.20 | wykis | such as... # hwclock |
| 21:25.20 | wykis | Mon 10 Sep 2007 22:24:59 BST -0.100612 seconds |
| 21:25.25 | wykis | # date |
| 21:25.25 | wykis | Mon Sep 10 22:03:42 BST 2007 |
| 21:25.32 | wykis | I can do hwclock sync but it works only once |
| 21:25.32 | flixil | How can i put a less than 0 priority with nice being an user? Thanks |
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| 21:26.05 | ribnitz | flixil: you cant |
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| 21:26.31 | flixil | ribnitz, i cannot change any file being administrator to permit it? |
| 21:26.53 | pickcoder | wykis: hwclock -hctosys |
| 21:26.59 | amphi | testergg: I've found the sysresccd.org iso useful more than once |
| 21:27.02 | ribnitz | flixil: do you understand what nice does? |
| 21:27.05 | pickcoder | that syncs the system time with the RTC |
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| 21:27.12 | wykis | pickcoder: as I said, that works only temporarily. How to make it work permanently? |
| 21:27.18 | pickcoder | install ntp |
| 21:27.22 | pickcoder | and let it sync over the net |
| 21:27.26 | wykis | ntp is screwing up too |
| 21:27.33 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 21:27.35 | wykis | it changes my time back even more |
| 21:27.37 | amphi | Jkl82: no |
| 21:27.42 | wykis | like about 20 minutes... |
| 21:27.55 | Jkl82 | amphi... k, tnx |
| 21:28.02 | flixil | ribnitz, change the scheduling priority, and i wanna run a program with more priority (i'm also using a "multimedia kernel") |
| 21:28.09 | ribnitz | wykis: ntp, and rdate are the two options; ntp is the better of the two |
| 21:28.33 | wykis | fine... i'll try _again_... |
| 21:28.35 | flixil | ribnitz, i don't understand it fully but I try |
| 21:28.36 | pickcoder | wykis: what are you comparing the time to? |
| 21:28.38 | amphi | flixil: only root can reduce the niceness of a process |
| 21:28.42 | pickcoder | n/c ntp is quite accurate |
| 21:28.47 | pickcoder | ~b/c |
| 21:28.47 | apt | i guess b/c is because, and mind you we are not aol! See u, ne1. |
| 21:28.52 | wykis | yeah there is something with the system..... |
| 21:29.10 | ribnitz | wykis: is your timzone set correctly? |
| 21:29.12 | pickcoder | wykis: do hwclock --systohc and reboot |
| 21:29.15 | pickcoder | then check your timezone |
| 21:29.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:29.18 | wykis | yes ribnitz |
| 21:29.21 | flixil | amphi, there is not any group like nicedev to be able to reduce that niceness? |
| 21:29.22 | wykis | timezone works perfectly |
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| 21:29.44 | ribnitz | flixil: nope. That not what nice was for. |
| 21:29.46 | pickcoder | RTC's are not perfect.. that's why there's ntp |
| 21:29.49 | amphi | floe: not that I'm aware of |
| 21:29.50 | wykis | what's the dpkg-reconfigure... for timezones? |
| 21:29.54 | wykis | tzdata? |
| 21:29.58 | pickcoder | !tzdata |
| 21:30.01 | wykis | yeah |
| 21:30.08 | wykis | I'll reboot :P |
| 21:30.12 | wykis | let's see if it sorts out |
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| 21:30.59 | eth01 | SF:c9\x81\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"); |
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| 21:31.03 | eth01 | oppps. |
| 21:31.04 | eth01 | sorry |
| 21:31.09 | flixil | So what i do have to look for to use software to create audio for example without losing data? Using a low-latency kernel is suposed to be enough? Without any configuring? |
| 21:31.38 | ribnitz | flixil: I only play audio, and I use a stock kernel. |
| 21:31.47 | eth01 | #ubuntu-studio |
| 21:32.08 | flixil | Yes i used to just play audio :) |
| 21:32.31 | wykis | okay, I have purge removed ntp, seems to work now ;-) |
| 21:32.50 | wykis | thanks ;) |
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| 21:35.06 | Filipenc | if i want to point some host to 2 IP's simultaneously, how can i do it using bind? |
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| 21:35.49 | pickcoder | Filipenc: hostname IN A <ip> |
| 21:35.51 | pickcoder | IN A <ip> |
| 21:35.58 | Filipenc | ok, for 2 ips? |
| 21:36.00 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 21:36.12 | Filipenc | hostname IN A <IP1> <IP2> |
| 21:36.15 | pickcoder | hostname line will be first |
| 21:36.20 | pickcoder | no |
| 21:36.26 | pickcoder | ip2 must be on a new line |
| 21:36.31 | Filipenc | ahhhh |
| 21:36.32 | Filipenc | ok thanks |
| 21:36.34 | pickcoder | you don't have to specify the hostname again, though |
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| 21:37.29 | pickcoder | make sure you do IN A <ip2> on the second line and not just the ip |
| 21:38.08 | Filipenc | cool thanks |
| 21:38.47 | Aleksej | good night |
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| 21:40.19 | Nyle | ahahah sweeet |
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| 21:41.43 | Nyle | jewish new year coming up, I got 3 days off in a row |
| 21:41.46 | Nyle | yippeee |
| 21:42.21 | Nyle | why? |
| 21:42.35 | Nyle | and I get every friday off cuz I'm fasting |
| 21:42.48 | Nyle | and i need to go to and mosque to pray, so boss is giving me 4 friday off this month |
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| 21:42.51 | Nyle | :D |
| 21:43.04 | Nyle | wtf did i just say |
| 21:43.16 | Nyle | "and i need to go to the mosque to pray" |
| 21:43.22 | Nyle | my keyboard is weird |
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| 21:43.46 | Nyle | pickcoder: I recently asked myself a question, and that question shocked me, nevermind the answer |
| 21:44.08 | Nyle | pickcoder: I asked myself if I want debian or ubuntu! |
| 21:44.22 | jonathansizz | I'm running testing, and today after the software update (not sure if that's connected with the problem) the scroll wheel on my mouse no longer scrolls - it still works as a button though. Any ideas? |
| 21:44.51 | Nyle | wow, I actually consider kubuntu now cuz its already got all i actually add and do to debian kde, but I hate ubuntu and now I'm thinking i'll get off my lazy ass and just go with debian |
| 21:44.53 | pickcoder | we just had twins... |
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| 21:45.07 | pickcoder | late nights of gaming are far gone |
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| 21:45.24 | pickcoder | days off == days alone with the kids |
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| 21:45.26 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:46.24 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:47.05 | chlue | Hello I had trouble mounting a udf-formated dvd. I finaly get it working by entering "mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom" as root. But I allready have this entry in my fstab : "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0". Any ideas how to change the fstab, that such DVD's are mounted automatically like a normal CD/DVD. |
| 21:47.20 | Nyle | ohhhh |
| 21:47.24 | Nyle | pickcoder: congrats man |
| 21:47.28 | Nyle | I'm really happy for you |
| 21:47.29 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:47.34 | pickcoder | thanks |
| 21:47.46 | Nyle | hehe |
| 21:47.52 | Nyle | im starting to get grey hair too |
| 21:48.26 | eth01` | ... |
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| 21:49.37 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 21:54.12 | jonathansizz | Hi. I'm running testing, and today after the software update (not sure if that's connected with the problem) the scroll wheel on my mouse no longer scrolls - it still works as a button though. Any ideas? |
| 21:54.16 | ivx | hey is there a command that can make a file that would be of a certain size, like 100megs if you just need something with size to test things? |
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| 21:55.53 | ma3x | what does this process mean |
| 21:55.57 | ma3x | root 2833 0.0 0.1 2664 1164 tty1 Ss Sep10 0:00 /bin/login -- |
| 21:56.05 | ma3x | I am not logged as root, is somebody else? |
| 21:56.39 | jelly-home | ivx: you can easily make a large file with dd, dd if=/dev/zero of=a_100MB_file bs=$((1024*1024)) count=100 |
| 21:56.55 | dkr | ivx: dd if=/dev/zero of=/testfile bs=1M count=100 |
| 21:57.10 | petemc | ma3x: what does "who" say |
| 21:57.13 | mbroeker | ivx, try dd if=/dev/zero of=test.file bs=512 count=2000k |
| 21:57.31 | ma3x | petemc, well my firefox keeps closing. I was thinking somebody rooted my bxo |
| 21:57.40 | ivx | jelly-home dkr mbroeker thanks |
| 21:57.49 | ma3x | petemc, I mean the process what does it mean? /bin/login -- ? |
| 21:57.58 | ma3x | I didn't run that with 'root' |
| 21:58.07 | petemc | i asked you a question.. |
| 21:58.40 | ma3x | petemc, only ma3x |
| 21:58.59 | ma3x | but aren't there such rootkits to mask that? |
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| 21:59.02 | chlue | Does anyone have an Idea why "mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom" works, but this "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0" in the fstab is not enough to do it automatically by kde? |
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| 22:00.03 | jelly-home | chlue: does the mount point exist? :-) |
| 22:00.29 | chlue | jelly-home: yes and it works fine for normal cd's, only the udf-formated ones refuse to work |
| 22:01.07 | epsilon | does anyone know of a cheap VServer hoster in canada? |
| 22:02.24 | mbroeker | can someone paste the output of cat /etc/group | grep exim ? |
| 22:02.34 | petemc | Debian-exim |
| 22:02.40 | mbroeker | i need the Debian-exim number, petemc |
| 22:02.45 | eth01 | -bash: /etc/group: Permission denied |
| 22:02.51 | petemc | 110 |
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| 22:03.15 | petemc | 102 on another host |
| 22:03.20 | mbroeker | eth01, your system is not working. all users can access that file |
| 22:03.29 | epsilon | mbroeker: the number is not static |
| 22:03.34 | petemc | and 112 on yet another |
| 22:03.51 | epsilon | mbroeker: while the install, next free number after 100 is used (AFAIK) |
| 22:03.51 | mbroeker | epsilon, ah ok. it doesnt matter ? |
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| 22:04.00 | mbroeker | ah ok |
| 22:04.36 | mbroeker | i have deleted that group a few days ago and apt-get failed with an exim-error. |
| 22:04.44 | MasterGH | Hey, after getting my ATi card working yesterday, today X won't start because it can't load the "pcidata" module, what could I try to do to fix this? |
| 22:04.57 | mbroeker | so i created the group and everytrhing works fine again. |
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| 22:05.31 | petemc | you can grep files without cat'ing them, btw |
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| 22:05.53 | MasterGH | I tried to google for a fix, but it is a bit hard from the command line using lynx |
| 22:05.57 | phrosty | i'm looking for a japanese input method for GTK2. does etch have one? |
| 22:05.59 | zmitya | hi all |
| 22:06.21 | zmitya | trying ti create a deb package about a shared library |
| 22:06.44 | zmitya | in the postinst file I call the ldconfig |
| 22:06.54 | zmitya | lintian says: postinst-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig |
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| 22:06.56 | zmitya | why ? |
| 22:07.02 | MasterGH | "(EE) Failed to load module "pcidata" (module does not exist, 0)" is the error |
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| 22:07.21 | MasterGH | but I checked, and it is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ where it is looking for it |
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| 22:09.54 | loca|host | how can i block p2p traffic with iptables ? |
| 22:10.19 | Enzi | I did ps aux |sort +4n and result was root 2536 99.7 3.0 45768 32076 ? R 08:07 1:23 /usr/bin/php5-cgi /home/ovh/www/mydatetime.php |
| 22:10.29 | Enzi | 99.7 CPU |
| 22:10.39 | Enzi | is that how much currently being used by this process |
| 22:10.42 | dkr | loca|host: well, you can block the ports used for it, but most p2p apps have evolved beyond that type of simple blocking |
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| 22:11.06 | testergg | amphi: thanks I will look into it |
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| 22:11.15 | loca|host | dkr, nothing new there :) |
| 22:11.37 | dkr | loca|host: your best bet is to simply throttle your users by bandwidth used, rather than the type of traffic |
| 22:12.16 | dkr | or apply managerial pressure to employees about misuse of network resources if that fits. :) |
| 22:12.54 | loca|host | :D |
| 22:13.23 | loca|host | dkr, by the first option, do you mean applying QOS rules ? if yes, wich tool can do it ? |
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| 22:13.58 | dkr | loca|host: lartc.org has some nice howtos for bandwidth throttling. I'm actually not all that familiar withit myself |
| 22:14.25 | MasterGH | So is there any way I can test to see if my Xorg module is broken or not? |
| 22:14.30 | loca|host | ok thx dkr |
| 22:15.12 | dkr | qos is slightyl different, but you might want to do that, too. e.g. to give small packets higher priority so ssh/http work better than big file downloads |
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| 22:18.45 | loca|host | dkr, the best way doing that, is to patch iptables to embed application-level firewalling, OSI's seventh layer ... there's a project called l7-filter but am not that good at patching kernel and iptables ... and in other way i dont want to do that cause i'll loose upgrades for those packets |
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| 22:22.03 | ma3x | why do I see this process? root 2873 5.3 1.7 25472 18092 tty7 SLs+ Sep10 6:00 /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 22:22.08 | ma3x | I am running X as normal user! |
| 22:22.25 | disgruntal | Hello, Is there a link that I could use to explain how to use remote login with graphical use? |
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| 22:26.35 | pzn | Hi! which debian CD should I get to install in a intel xeon? should I use the same i686 cds? |
| 22:27.32 | ion_bidon | hello; I just bought a printer and connected it wirelessly on my local network |
| 22:27.50 | loca|host | pzn, yes |
| 22:27.54 | ion_bidon | how can I find out if I have to use ipp, http, socket, and what port ? |
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| 22:27.57 | _live_8_ | someone knows why ata_piix comes whith kernel 2.6.18 and dont compile the module to others kernels? |
| 22:28.40 | loca|host | ion_bidon, did u see linuxprinting site ? |
| 22:29.01 | simonrvn | _live_8_: i just enabled it in this kernel config |
| 22:29.02 | ion_bidon | loca|host: no, I will take a look right now |
| 22:29.05 | simonrvn | 2.6.22 |
| 22:29.23 | loca|host | ion_bidon, http://www.linuxprinting.org/ |
| 22:30.01 | _live_8_ | simonrvn inside the kernel configuration? |
| 22:30.13 | simonrvn | yes.. |
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| 22:30.40 | ion_bidon | loca|host: thanks; I'm on it |
| 22:30.40 | Enzi | http://phpfi.com/262157 problem gettings lots of memory/resource msgs |
| 22:30.47 | _live_8_ | simonrvn strange :x |
| 22:30.55 | simonrvn | not really |
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| 22:31.26 | pzn | loca|host: thanks! |
| 22:31.42 | _live_8_ | simonrvn isnt it supost comes allready enabled whith default kernel instalation? once it is enabled? |
| 22:32.28 | simonrvn | as a module |
| 22:32.38 | simonrvn | CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m |
| 22:32.57 | _live_8_ | ok thank you very much :) |
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| 22:33.27 | MasterGH | incase anyone wonders...the reason it stopped working was my partition was a bit corrupted...thank goodness for journaling.. |
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| 22:34.21 | cwheeler | good thing only a few bits were corrupted |
| 22:34.29 | MasterGH | Yeah.. |
| 22:34.38 | MasterGH | Still can't remove a file for some reason |
| 22:34.55 | MasterGH | libfb.so in the modules section of xorg doesn't want to move |
| 22:35.33 | MasterGH | which is stopping me from reinstalling xorg...this is annoying |
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| 22:35.50 | Enzi | anyone know why i'm getting these http://phpfi.com/262157 problem gettings lots of memory/resource msgs |
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| 22:36.06 | MasterGH | Anyone know how I could remove it? |
| 22:36.12 | gpm | MasterGH: what, you can't rm? |
| 22:36.17 | gpm | rm -f |
| 22:36.18 | gpm | ? |
| 22:36.23 | MasterGH | gpm: yeah, as root, I can't |
| 22:36.28 | MasterGH | even with -f |
| 22:36.33 | gpm | what does it say? |
| 22:36.42 | MasterGH | "Operation not permitted" |
| 22:37.03 | gpm | try booting a livecd (like a d-i cd) and removing that way? |
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| 22:37.20 | gpm | what's the fs? |
| 22:37.23 | MasterGH | Ok, I'll see what my Wolvix CD can do |
| 22:37.23 | MasterGH | ext3 |
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| 22:37.56 | MasterGH | Ok, be right back then |
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| 22:38.05 | gpm | there is the debian install cd too |
| 22:38.10 | mo1991 | can someone help me with getting .cgi scripts to run on etch (apache2) |
| 22:38.19 | abrotman | Enzi: you're out of memory ? |
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| 22:38.25 | MasterGH | Yeah, I'd rather just use one of my oodles of Wolvix CDs I've got around |
| 22:38.30 | gpm | ok |
| 22:39.02 | _live_8_ | capitche |
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| 22:39.11 | _live_8_ | aleluiaaaa o0 0o @@ |
| 22:39.12 | simonrvn | _live_8_: wtf is your problem? |
| 22:39.35 | simonrvn | !lart _live_8_ |
| 22:39.37 | _live_8_ | simonrvn you allready resolve me thank you :) |
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| 22:39.57 | simonrvn | smacking someone doesn't shoe appreciation ;) |
| 22:40.00 | simonrvn | show* |
| 22:40.26 | _live_8_ | lol |
| 22:40.31 | elif | hi what does mean when aptitude does an update and some of the repositories got an "ignored", It's ignoring the repository ? what reason ? |
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| 22:41.35 | X-Yukon-X | Hello. Is there tool to retrieve data from a really scratched up CD-Rom |
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| 22:43.22 | MasterGH | Hmm...still doesn't like me doing it from here |
| 22:43.28 | MasterGH | still get the not permitted message |
| 22:43.40 | X-Yukon-X | ? |
| 22:43.50 | X-Yukon-X | what you mean i can read ya |
| 22:44.20 | MasterGH | Me? I can't remove a file from a recently slightly corrupted ext3 file system |
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| 22:45.07 | sts | hello folks. where do i get deb-make from? |
| 22:45.09 | mo1991 | Can anyone help me in getting cgi files to run properly on debian etch apache2. I am installing sitescape forum and their tech has said apache is set up a bit different on debian and cgi needs to be enabled |
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| 22:45.20 | MasterGH | any more ideas gpm? |
| 22:45.22 | mo1991 | any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 22:45.25 | X-Yukon-X | yes, i thought you meant something else :) ... whats the file ? |
| 22:45.28 | simonrvn | mo1991: a2enmod |
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| 22:45.53 | X-Yukon-X | shred -vz , rename it , rm -r maybe |
| 22:46.05 | MasterGH | libfb.so in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ |
| 22:46.08 | MasterGH | ok |
| 22:46.17 | X-Yukon-X | oh |
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| 22:46.51 | MasterGH | Some of my files there got corruped, so I'm trying to reinstall xorg, but it won't let me |
| 22:47.52 | MasterGH | shred doesn't work (still not permitted) |
| 22:48.06 | X-Yukon-X | even as root? |
| 22:48.10 | MasterGH | Yeah |
| 22:48.16 | mo1991 | simonrvn - I did that and cgi is already enabled |
| 22:48.20 | X-Yukon-X | hm... aptitude purge ? |
| 22:48.36 | MasterGH | tried, can't remove |
| 22:48.52 | MasterGH | but I'll see what happens again...brb in debian |
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| 22:49.10 | X-Yukon-X | CTRL+ALT+Backspace, aptitude purge... aptitude install ... |
| 22:49.22 | simonrvn | you then need to put them in the right place... like your apache2.conf says, in /usr/lib/cgi-bin for instance, or wherever your vhost has them... |
| 22:49.32 | X-Yukon-X | quit x bevore that... |
| 22:49.52 | X-Yukon-X | /etc/init.d/gdm or what ever stop |
| 22:49.57 | X-Yukon-X | then....^^^ |
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| 22:52.02 | MasterGH | Just starting to remove them now.. |
| 22:52.10 | MasterGH | lets see how it goes |
| 22:53.11 | X-Yukon-X | how did you do it ? |
| 22:53.27 | MasterGH | ok..."libfb.so libi2c.so libpcidata.so" can't be removed.. |
| 22:53.43 | MasterGH | and pcidata was the module that made xorg not load |
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| 22:54.40 | X-Yukon-X | wow, never had to reinstall xorg or remove it |
| 22:55.02 | MasterGH | couldn't read pcidata...so I guess that was because it was corrupted |
| 22:55.36 | MasterGH | surely there must be some way to force it to remove them |
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| 22:56.39 | mo1991 | any apache guru's here? I am trying to install sitescape forum on standard etch (apache2). After adding the proper lines to httpd.conf to enable cgi for sitescape forum, the .cgi files for sitescape forum still do not execute. Need some help here |
| 22:57.06 | mo1991 | sitescape tech is saying debian has apache setup differently than some other linuxes and they don't know how to fix the problem. |
| 22:57.21 | MasterGH | :/ I've not used cgi stuff in apache much...only done a little perl stuff |
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| 22:58.19 | MasterGH | Well...I might have to reinstall...:( |
| 22:58.58 | MasterGH | Maybe there is some way of using fsck to fix it |
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| 22:59.20 | simonrvn | MasterGH: run the fsck a few times... |
| 22:59.40 | MasterGH | simonrvn: ok, I already ran it once when it made me do it in read-only |
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| 23:00.04 | simonrvn | mo1991: .:18:49:22:. <simonrvn> you then need to put them in the right place... like your apache2.conf says, in /usr/lib/cgi-bin for instance, or wherever your vhost has them... |
| 23:01.07 | MasterGH | So, what would be the best way of running fsck? Doing it with the whole file-system in read-only, or what? |
| 23:01.50 | simonrvn | what partition is it? |
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| 23:02.00 | MasterGH | It is my root partition, hda4 |
| 23:02.01 | simonrvn | no, unmounted |
| 23:02.05 | MasterGH | Ok |
| 23:02.10 | MasterGH | I'll do it from a live system |
| 23:02.25 | mo1991 | simonrvn - can you take a look at the sitescape install directions? It says all I need to do is edit the httpd.conf file in order to properly run the sitescape forum, but the .cgi file does not run using the instructions. Plus, their tech support is no help |
| 23:02.31 | MasterGH | so "fsck /dev/hda4" as root umounted from a live system? |
| 23:02.35 | simonrvn | yes; i've done it from an initrd, but i customised it ;) |
| 23:02.49 | MasterGH | hehe |
| 23:03.00 | MasterGH | Ok, restarting then |
| 23:03.28 | simonrvn | mo1991: apache2.conf for starters. server global scriptalias is defined there |
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| 23:06.03 | mo1991 | simonrvn - should I be adding the stuff that sitescape says to add to httpd.conf to apache2.conf instead? |
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| 23:06.45 | MasterGH | Ok, I've got it unmounted at the moment |
| 23:07.03 | simonrvn | yes, or use that anyway, since debian started using httpd.conf as site-local conf; but sync it with apache2.conf (i.e., configure according to what you already have, and make them work together) |
| 23:07.04 | MasterGH | upon running it, I only get "/dev/hda4: clean, 302117/2015232 files, 3652268/4018258 blocks" |
| 23:07.18 | simonrvn | force it |
| 23:07.27 | mo1991 | simonrvn - here is what sitescape says to add to httpd.conf |
| 23:07.27 | MasterGH | ok |
| 23:07.29 | simonrvn | -a -y -f i think |
| 23:07.29 | mo1991 | Alias /forums /home/sitescape/visible/ |
| 23:07.30 | mo1991 | <Directory /home/sitescape/visible> |
| 23:07.30 | mo1991 | Options ExecCGI Indexes FollowSymLinks |
| 23:07.30 | mo1991 | AllowOverride None |
| 23:07.30 | mo1991 | order allow,deny |
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| 23:07.53 | simonrvn | i was about to say... don't paste here |
| 23:07.58 | mo1991 | simonrvn - sorry |
| 23:08.06 | mo1991 | what should I be adding to apache2.conf |
| 23:08.16 | mo1991 | rather than httpd.conf as sitescape instructs |
| 23:08.45 | mo1991 | can you see what I pasted |
| 23:08.52 | mo1991 | should have pasted in pm I realize now |
| 23:09.04 | MasterGH | I remember I used to have many troubles with file I couldn't delete a long time ago with Windows.. |
| 23:09.16 | MasterGH | files* |
| 23:09.16 | simonrvn | no, paste site |
| 23:09.28 | MasterGH | pastebin.ca or similar |
| 23:09.48 | mo1991 | simonrvn, where should I paste? |
| 23:09.50 | simonrvn | mo1991: that seems like a very simple config |
| 23:09.56 | mo1991 | right |
| 23:10.20 | mo1991 | you can go to the pages but cgi doesn't execute |
| 23:10.33 | simonrvn | so... insert it somewhere, run apache2ctl configtest; then if OK then reload |
| 23:10.40 | MasterGH | Hmm...just finished testing, it seemed to like it |
| 23:10.52 | MasterGH | passed all 5 without any errors |
| 23:10.54 | simonrvn | well you need to have somewhere you run the cgis... you don't have that |
| 23:11.07 | simonrvn | you only have "ExecCGI" |
| 23:11.22 | simonrvn | that simply means you're allowing cgi to run there |
| 23:12.14 | simonrvn | look up ScriptAlias in the apache docs |
| 23:12.18 | MasterGH | simonrvn: any extra options I should try on the command? |
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| 23:12.29 | mo1991 | simonrvn - I am a bit confused. New to this apache config stuff and just following the sitescape instructions. Everything has always worked out of the box for me on apache previously |
| 23:13.26 | mo1991 | not sure what you mean by insert it somewhere? |
| 23:13.36 | simonrvn | MasterGH: did you do -y -a -f or whatever? |
| 23:13.52 | MasterGH | simonrvn: I added -f, should i try the others? |
| 23:13.55 | simonrvn | mo1991: httpd.conf or your vhost config |
| 23:14.01 | simonrvn | MasterGH: don't bother |
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| 23:14.24 | simonrvn | MasterGH: now try rm'ing that file while you're still in the live-cd env. |
| 23:14.54 | MasterGH | That is what I'm trying..doesn't work |
| 23:15.01 | mo1991 | simonrvn - I have added the config to httpd.conf. It doesn't allow the .cgi files in my /home/sitescape/forum directory to be executed |
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| 23:15.23 | mo1991 | I thought that perhaps some of this config needed to go into apche2.conf |
| 23:15.23 | MasterGH | still get the "rm: cannot remove `libfb.so': Operation not permitted" message |
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| 23:15.27 | simonrvn | yes, i know. .:19:12:13:. <simonrvn> look up ScriptAlias in the apache docs |
| 23:15.39 | simonrvn | MasterGH: lsattr the file |
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| 23:16.16 | MasterGH | simonrvn: "-----a------- libfb.so" that doesn't look good |
| 23:16.29 | simonrvn | hm sec |
| 23:16.39 | MasterGH | doesn't allow me to change the perms either |
| 23:16.42 | DrStrangelove | hey, I need some help. I run an apt-get upgrade on a etch testing some hours ago and now my ipopd does not work enymore |
| 23:16.53 | DrStrangelove | how to I start it again? |
| 23:17.18 | DrStrangelove | or where is the config file for the ipop3d ? |
| 23:17.20 | simonrvn | MasterGH: chattr -a that file |
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| 23:17.45 | MasterGH | simonrvn: now it is "------------- libfb.so" |
| 23:17.54 | simonrvn | you'll be able to then (technically root has the required CAPs) |
| 23:17.59 | simonrvn | MasterGH: try rm now |
| 23:18.12 | MasterGH | yeah! that works :) |
| 23:18.15 | MasterGH | thanks a bunch man |
| 23:18.37 | simonrvn | that little a means only allow opening in append mode |
| 23:18.49 | simonrvn | something weird happened. *shrug*. np |
| 23:19.04 | MasterGH | hehe |
| 23:19.38 | DrStrangelove | please |
| 23:19.55 | DrStrangelove | where does debian manage things like ipopd ? |
| 23:20.06 | simonrvn | dpkg -L packagename |
| 23:20.07 | dpkg | ii packagename 1.1-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:20.19 | simonrvn | you'll see the init script, the conf, etc. |
| 23:20.26 | MasterGH | Hmm...now the other files are a different story |
| 23:21.16 | MasterGH | "--S-i--A----- libi2c.so" and "--S-i-------- libpcidata.so" |
| 23:21.31 | MasterGH | they won't remove even with that last command |
| 23:21.32 | DrStrangelove | the is no init or conf |
| 23:21.41 | DrStrangelove | thats the problem |
| 23:22.23 | simonrvn | is it a debian thing? if not, go ask the project's IRC chan, not here |
| 23:22.43 | simonrvn | MasterGH: same deal, chattr -SiA foo |
| 23:22.46 | DrStrangelove | it hapend afer a debian update |
| 23:22.57 | themill | DrStrangelove: what's the actual package? |
| 23:22.58 | simonrvn | answer the question please |
| 23:23.07 | DrStrangelove | ipopd |
| 23:23.14 | MasterGH | simonrvn: ah, ok, I get it |
| 23:23.27 | DrStrangelove | and ipopd-ssl |
| 23:23.52 | MasterGH | simonrvn: perfect, thanks so much :) |
| 23:24.08 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:24.16 | MasterGH | BRB in debian then |
| 23:25.03 | themill | DrStrangelove: that package hasn't been updated in ages. What did you update? |
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| 23:26.44 | DrStrangelove | i installed strace (wtf) |
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| 23:27.10 | Drako60 | i have a rather weird problem |
| 23:27.38 | DrStrangelove | oke, I got it |
| 23:27.47 | simonrvn | yay, you spelled weird correctly |
| 23:28.14 | Drako60 | CUPS has the web config, now from this i can print a test page, but the rest of the system can not see the printer that its seeing, if i install the printer through gnome, it doesn't work at all but everything can see it |
| 23:28.21 | DrStrangelove | while installing strace openbsd-inetd was removed because "not used" |
| 23:28.23 | DrStrangelove | lol? |
| 23:29.32 | DrStrangelove | [REMOVE, NOT USED] openbsd-inetd <-- what the fuck?? |
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| 23:31.46 | disgruntal | hello what is the min system requirments for an install of debian? |
| 23:31.54 | jdhutchin1 | I'm trying to add scripts to my initramfs to be run on boot |
| 23:31.58 | DrStrangelove | a toaster |
| 23:32.02 | pipeline | disgruntal: 12 MHz R2000, 8M of RAM |
| 23:32.12 | jdhutchin1 | I've put them in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom, but they don't seem to be included in the image |
| 23:32.22 | disgruntal | ty... what is the r2000? |
| 23:32.31 | jdhutchin1 | can anyone shed some light on why the scripts wouldn't make it in to the image? |
| 23:33.10 | disgruntal | im using a 333mhz 192m 35ghd... but it just resets over and over |
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| 23:36.03 | pipeline | disgruntal: hardware problem. You're an order of magnitude past the minimum requirements. |
| 23:36.17 | pipeline | disgruntal: try booting with "acpi=off noapic nolapic" added to kernel arguments. |
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| 23:36.25 | disgruntal | ty |
| 23:36.47 | pipeline | disgruntal: there are other fun kernel arguments that hurt performance in exchange for better hardware compatibility, but those basic three take care of the bulk of issues. |
| 23:37.23 | spx2 | pipeline: lolz, why are you beeing mean to him ? |
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| 23:37.29 | disgruntal | ty... it said could not find kernel image acpi=off |
| 23:37.49 | disgruntal | i have the latest iso image should i get an older one? |
| 23:37.53 | pipeline | disgruntal: those are arguments to the kernel. You have to apply them after the kernel. Assuming you're at the prompt for the installer, you want to put "linux " before the kernel arguments. |
| 23:37.55 | bazz | is there a reason why 'ssh host who' doesn't return the person the ssh session is logged in as (and is there a way i can make that happen) |
| 23:38.02 | pipeline | disgruntal: No... you want the newest stable "netinstall", most likely. |
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| 23:38.16 | pipeline | spx2: I wasn't, but I'm going to put you on ignore now. "lolz" is well beyond the pale. |
| 23:38.51 | pipeline | bazz: no login shell |
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| 23:39.05 | disgruntal | grr... did it again.... |
| 23:39.15 | bazz | pipeline: ahh, so if i did like ssh host "bash; who" it should work |
| 23:39.22 | pipeline | bazz: no, still not a login shell. Just a shell. |
| 23:39.32 | bazz | pipeline: ohh |
| 23:39.34 | disgruntal | would the search on debian.org shine some light for me? |
| 23:39.44 | pipeline | bazz: why not just use whoami...? :P |
| 23:40.05 | bazz | pipeline: well i'm really interested in the hostname of the host that's sshing in |
| 23:40.12 | bazz | pipeline: is there a better way to find that? |
| 23:40.20 | pipeline | bazz: I think that's included in an environment variable. |
| 23:40.48 | bazz | pipeline: ahh, indeed, SSH_CLIENT has it :) |
| 23:41.14 | pipeline | bazz: man page says SSH_CONNECTION |
| 23:41.53 | bazz | pipeline: yeah, that has both ends listed with ports, client has just the source |
| 23:41.59 | pipeline | disgruntal: by the way, if it's a laptop, it might be the display giving you fits, in which case you'll want to add "vga=771" or "vga=791" at the end. |
| 23:42.23 | disgruntal | it is an old ibm computer with a acer mother bord |
| 23:42.50 | disgruntal | weather i put a 333mhz or a 450 it only shows 350mhz with any combo of jumper settings |
| 23:43.05 | disgruntal | winxp was on it but wanted to get rid of win. |
| 23:43.08 | k-man_ | what is the debian way to enable logins using GDM over vnc? |
| 23:43.31 | bazz | pipeline: that works great, thanks much |
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| 23:44.20 | pipeline | disgruntal: I don't think that's the problem. |
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| 23:44.47 | disgruntal | i have one other system... ill swap the power supply and try it |
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| 23:45.59 | pipeline | k-man_: install Xrdp and configure gdm to start a local X server using Xrdp instead of X |
| 23:47.06 | k-man_ | pipeline: oh.. |
| 23:47.15 | pipeline | k-man_: yeah VNC kinda sucks. |
| 23:47.16 | k-man_ | pipeline: thats interesting, is that faster than vnc? |
| 23:47.24 | pipeline | k-man_: Uh, that's how it works on UNIX. |
| 23:47.45 | pipeline | k-man_: You start an X11 server that talks XDMCP+X11 on one side and VNC on the other. |
| 23:47.49 | k-man_ | pipeline: can you use windows rdp to access it? |
| 23:47.58 | k-man_ | oh |
| 23:48.00 | pipeline | k-man_: oh, I'm sorry. I confused Xvnc and Xrdp. They work pretty much the same way :) |
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| 23:48.21 | k-man_ | pipeline: so.... should i try out xrdp? |
| 23:48.22 | pipeline | k-man_: Xrdp is the same idea as Xvnc, only... with RDP :P |
| 23:48.26 | k-man_ | is it faster than vnc? |
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| 23:48.36 | pipeline | k-man_: I hate them both, so... :) |
| 23:48.58 | pipeline | k-man_: my preferred solution is proprietary, so I'm not interested in discussing it here. |
| 23:49.22 | k-man_ | pipeline: ok |
| 23:49.32 | k-man_ | does xrdp use vnc? |
| 23:49.44 | k-man_ | installing xrdp installs vnc |
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| 23:49.51 | pipeline | that's interesting |
| 23:49.53 | pipeline | I have no idea |
| 23:50.18 | pipeline | k-man_: ah, it *recommends* vnc. It doesn't depend on it. |
| 23:50.19 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:50.24 | Nyle | I was about to say |
| 23:50.33 | pipeline | k-man_: that's kind of silly... I should probably file that recommendation as a bug, as it's really stupid. |
| 23:50.42 | Nyle | rdp is remote desktop protocol for windows, and vnc is just vnc |
| 23:50.48 | k-man_ | ok |
| 23:50.54 | pipeline | k-man_: ohhh... I see now. Xrdp re-exports a VNC or RDP session. |
| 23:51.27 | k-man_ | ok, so i have installed xrdp, how do i make it work with gdm? |
| 23:51.53 | Tobsn | someone? ;) |
| 23:52.03 | Nyle | Tobsn: ?" |
| 23:52.08 | Tobsn | /usr/share/aclocal/libmcrypt.m4:17: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBMCRYPT |
| 23:52.12 | Tobsn | oh sorry / in front ;) |
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| 23:53.03 | epsilon | I use vnc, cross platform and it simply works |
| 23:54.45 | pipeline | k-man_: consult the GDM docs, or look at the existing Xservers file for inspiration. As I understand it, you configure it the same way as you configure local X11 servers. Find where GDM starts the local X :0 display and add the appropriate incantation to start an Xvnc process. |
| 23:55.04 | k-man_ | ok, thanks pipeline |
| 23:55.52 | abrotman | !tell sts about search |
| 23:57.50 | _gAri- | hi there. I use a 2.4 kernel with /dev/md0 as the root partition. I wanted to upgrade to 2.6.22.1 and when it boots it does now find any md devices, and the kernel panics. any idea to resolve this? |
