| 00:00.12 | Wyzard | marcelo_: but neither of the potential reasons suggested there (version mismatch, or the file is supposed to be in a different directory) seem right in this case |
| 00:00.49 | balsagoth | petemc: thaks for the asdvice |
| 00:01.04 | balsagoth | petemc: thanks for the advice |
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| 00:01.15 | Wyzard | marcelo_: since you're using the stable versions of both the driver and the firmware (right?) and the file is in /lib/firmware, which is the first item in the FIRMWARE_DIRS list defined in /lib/udev/hotplug.functions |
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| 00:02.09 | Wyzard | marcelo_: The version thing is worth checking, though... run "dpkg -s firmware-ipw3945" and make sure the version is 0.4, not 0.7 |
| 00:02.56 | marcelo_ | firware-ipw3945_0.4all.deb ipw3945d_1.7.22-4_1386.deb |
| 00:03.15 | Wyzard | If those are the ones you installed, that seems correct |
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| 00:03.31 | marcelo_ | Wyzard yeah they are |
| 00:03.59 | balsagoth | petemc: i don't get any answer |
| 00:04.00 | marcelo_ | let me see if it in the hotplug |
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| 00:04.36 | petemc | balsagoth: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 00:04.50 | petemc | balsagoth: adjust foo to suit |
| 00:05.03 | marcelo_ | Wyzard udev has a hotplug.functions file |
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| 00:05.43 | Wyzard | marcelo_: yeah, and if you run "head /lib/udev/hotplug.functions", you'll see that one of the first few lines is FIRMWARE_DIRS='/lib/firmware /usr/local/lib/firmware /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware' |
| 00:05.58 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Those are the directories where the system looks for firmware files, in that order |
| 00:06.20 | balsagoth | petemc: thanks a lot |
| 00:07.15 | marcelo_ | ok dpkg -s firmware-ipw3945 version 0.4 |
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| 00:08.48 | marcelo_ | the head code returns what you said |
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| 00:09.15 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Firmware loading is handled by udev, which is supposed to be running all the time, but let's make sure it's actually running on your system: "ps -ef | grep udev" |
| 00:09.30 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You should see "udevd --daemon" |
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| 00:10.20 | marcelo_ | Wyzard yeah i see it |
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| 00:13.28 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Stop the daemon and unload the module: /etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop; rmmod ipw3945 |
| 00:13.40 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Then load them again: modprobe ipw3945; /etc/init.d/ipw3945 start |
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| 00:14.02 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Then check /var/log/syslog again and see if that ucode message appears again near the *end* of the file |
| 00:14.05 | Wyzard | not somewhere in the middle |
| 00:14.07 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 00:15.05 | Wyzard | We're checking whether it's actually still failing to load the firmware, or if that message you saw is from back when you first installed ipw3945d, before you had firmware-ipw3945 installed |
| 00:16.18 | marcelo_ | cant stop it |
| 00:16.28 | Wyzard | What happens when you try? |
| 00:16.31 | marcelo_ | it says no such file or directory |
| 00:16.45 | rcbarnes | If I have ia32-libs installed, how to I install a 32-bit version of something (like 32-bit zsnes)? |
| 00:16.47 | Wyzard | /etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop |
| 00:16.52 | Wyzard | Make sure you didn't mistype it |
| 00:17.02 | marcelo_ | etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop |
| 00:17.27 | Wyzard | That's saying "no such file or directory" ? |
| 00:17.35 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 00:17.44 | Wyzard | That doesn't make any sense |
| 00:17.53 | marcelo_ | i missed off the/ at the beginning |
| 00:18.10 | marcelo_ | ok its sopping |
| 00:18.18 | Wyzard | Are you familiar with the directory layout on a Linux system? |
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| 00:18.22 | Wyzard | /etc/init.d is a directory |
| 00:18.33 | marcelo_ | yeah i typoed |
| 00:18.54 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:19.17 | Wyzard | When you typed "etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop" here, I figured you'd left off the leading slash because you didn't know how to type a line on IRC that begins with a slash |
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| 00:19.25 | Wyzard | (since normally that's interpreted as an IRC command) |
| 00:19.45 | erz_ | wich windowmaker sould i choose with a new debian :D |
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| 00:19.57 | marcelo_ | hang on im getting a new message on rmmod ipw3945 |
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| 00:20.19 | Wyzard | marcelo_: When you say something like that, it'd help if you mention you made a typo without making me ask more questions to find out |
| 00:20.31 | marcelo_ | rror Module does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 00:20.46 | Wyzard | That's fine, I think you unloaded it earlier and didn't reload it |
| 00:20.56 | Wyzard | It's just saying that it can't unload the module because it isn't loaded |
| 00:21.04 | Wyzard | /proc/modules is the kernel's list of currently-loaded modules |
| 00:21.08 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 00:21.26 | Wyzard | Now reload the module and start the daemon, and see if that ucode message appears again in the log |
| 00:21.33 | rcbarnes | Right, then. |
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| 00:21.50 | balsagoth | anyone here in debian testing have a problem with dbus? My notify-send suddenly stop working |
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| 00:22.45 | marcelo_ | wyzard it says it is not starting regulatroy daemon driver not loaded |
| 00:22.57 | Wyzard | You have to load the module before you start the daemon |
| 00:23.09 | stoned | !seen rahul |
| 00:23.09 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian (8h 9m 12s), last said: 'Thunderman: how would we know what to do with some random file...?'. |
| 00:23.26 | stoned | rahul: you here? or there? |
| 00:23.34 | marcelo_ | ok |
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| 00:24.40 | marcelo_ | Wyzard yeah its in the logs |
| 00:24.47 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Recently? |
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| 00:24.52 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 00:24.54 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Look at the timestamp on the log entry, and the current ime |
| 00:24.57 | Wyzard | *current time |
| 00:24.59 | marcelo_ | at th bottom |
| 00:25.07 | rahul | stoned: yes |
| 00:25.10 | Wyzard | OK, so it's still failing to load the firmware |
| 00:25.14 | stoned | how was your vacation |
| 00:25.20 | rahul | going to arlene's grocery in a bit |
| 00:25.22 | rahul | awesome |
| 00:25.31 | stoned | hell yeah |
| 00:25.41 | stoned | its my niece's birthday tomorrow, wanna come? |
| 00:25.54 | rahul | eew |
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| 00:25.57 | rahul | !penixstrike petemc |
| 00:25.57 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking petemc to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:25.59 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That's probably the whole reason why it isn't working now, but I can't think of why it's failing to load the firmware |
| 00:26.06 | rahul | stoned: gonna be at a bbq in astoria |
| 00:26.09 | pipeline_ | rahul: you know there actually was a penix, right? |
| 00:26.11 | stoned | word |
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| 00:26.18 | rahul | pipeline_: well, duh |
| 00:26.20 | stoned | !seen penix |
| 00:26.20 | dpkg | penix is currently on #debian, last said: '!spank deb-ice'. |
| 00:26.31 | pipeline_ | rahul: I mean, an OS, penix, sold by a totally serious vendor. |
| 00:26.38 | pipeline_ | rahul: PNX for the ICL Perq series. |
| 00:26.44 | stoned | lol |
| 00:26.44 | rahul | heh |
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| 00:26.51 | pipeline_ | rahul: also, VENIX for the DEC pro/series. |
| 00:27.24 | rahul | vagix |
| 00:27.31 | stoned | ok ok |
| 00:27.32 | stoned | thats enough |
| 00:27.39 | rahul | venix is a bit... strange... |
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| 00:27.47 | pipeline_ | not really |
| 00:27.48 | pipeline_ | it's just old |
| 00:27.53 | rahul | the name, I mean |
| 00:27.54 | petemc | apparently theres a bone around the base of your spine called the cocks-ix to |
| 00:27.56 | petemc | o |
| 00:27.56 | pipeline_ | by the standards of its day it was pretty straightforward. |
| 00:28.00 | marcelo_ | wyzard im checking google for resons |
| 00:28.03 | pipeline_ | petemc: coccyx |
| 00:28.03 | rahul | heh |
| 00:28.07 | petemc | pipeline_: yz |
| 00:28.09 | g6o31 | hello world |
| 00:28.15 | rahul | yeah, it's pronounced cocks-ix, tho |
| 00:28.18 | pipeline_ | petemc: But that would be an awful OS name due to the associations with your ass. |
| 00:28.19 | nse | hello |
| 00:28.27 | pipeline_ | petemc: who wants to use ASS UNIX? :P |
| 00:28.42 | stoned | wtf is with you people |
| 00:29.00 | petemc | too juvenile stoned? |
| 00:29.02 | pipeline_ | rahul: IIRC there's an emulator that will run VENIX, if you want to taste V7 on a PDP-11-like hardware. |
| 00:29.13 | rahul | pfft |
| 00:29.19 | pipeline_ | rahul: It was a pretty decent port of V7 UNIX to PDP-11-like hardware that lacked some -11 features. |
| 00:29.20 | rahul | I don't do odd numbered pdps |
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| 00:29.45 | pipeline_ | rahul: Well, the cool thing about the pro/series was that it was desktop hardware. There was no server/rackmount version, it was explicitly meant to be a personal computer. |
| 00:30.12 | stoned | rahul: dude I got elixir strings for my guitar, guitar strings, nickle wound, and coated with something special that does special stuff for which you pay extra money, but no more rust or dirty strings. I think i even got better at the guitar with these new strings, its just so smooth |
| 00:30.15 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Maybe you can find someone else here who has firsthand experience with setting up an ipw3945... I don't actually have any 3945 hardware so I can't experiment |
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| 00:30.32 | rahul | stoned: sweet |
| 00:30.33 | regulate | sup |
| 00:30.46 | g6o31 | i building a custum debian iso by modifing the debian-installer & deboostrap ! the install iso i built can't find the any kernel on the cd however a kernel deb file is present !! has anyone already done this ? |
| 00:30.52 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You're at the point now where the modules, ipw3945d daemon, and firmware are all correctly installed (as far as we know), and just trying to figure out why the daemon isn't finding the firmware file |
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| 00:31.17 | regulate | g6o31: its custom right? so no. |
| 00:31.33 | Wyzard | g6o31: Do you mean the kernel for booting the CD, or the kernel which the CD installs onto the hard drive? |
| 00:32.11 | g6o31 | i mean the kernel-image-2.6.8-4 |
| 00:32.13 | stoned | does anyone know of a backup/ghosting utility which can make ghosts from reiser fs ? |
| 00:32.32 | Wyzard | g6o31: 2.6.8 is an old version, but the version isn't what I'm asking |
| 00:32.33 | stoned | the only one i know of works with ext3 only, and its not an opensource or even a linux utility |
| 00:32.38 | stoned | ext2/3 |
| 00:32.47 | marcelo_ | Wyzard thanks for taking me this far. you have been very patient. Ive logged quite a bit of our marathjon session and ill put it on linuxquestions for help and refrence. thanks so much |
| 00:32.49 | rahul | dump is basically ghost |
| 00:32.54 | petemc | stoned: dd and ssh |
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| 00:33.02 | stoned | petemc: seriously? |
| 00:33.03 | pipeline_ | stoned: oh dude, migrate already. ReiserFS is so dead it's not funny. |
| 00:33.04 | stoned | dd? |
| 00:33.06 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You're welcome, and I'm sorry I can't help you further |
| 00:33.14 | g6o31 | yes i know about this version ! it's a test for instance |
| 00:33.17 | pipeline_ | rahul: dump isn't going to handle partition table issues for you :) |
| 00:33.26 | stoned | pipeline_: but before I do, on this box, I want to backup this hdd before I do |
| 00:33.31 | pipeline_ | rahul, stoned : Also I'm not entirely sure that the reiserfs dump utility actually works. |
| 00:33.36 | pipeline_ | stoned: Use gtar or dd. |
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| 00:33.37 | petemc | stoned: i dont use reiser, but ive used dd on partitions in the past without problems |
| 00:33.40 | marcelo_ | youve done a grat deal :) im nearly there |
| 00:34.00 | Wyzard | g6o31: I'm asking, do you mean the kernel that boots from the CD and is used to run the installer, or the kernel which the installer (during the installation procedure) copies to the hard drive? |
| 00:34.01 | stoned | ok, I didn't know dd could do that shit |
| 00:34.04 | stoned | goddamn |
| 00:34.15 | stoned | i think the only thing linux can't do is wipe my ass |
| 00:34.20 | rahul | the whole point of dd is to do that kind of thing |
| 00:34.21 | stoned | other than that, its got pretty much everything |
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| 00:34.36 | stoned | rahul: well I meant something like norton ghost hehehe |
| 00:34.44 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Once you get the firmware issue resolved and have an eth device for your card, you need to deal with the next higher level of configuration -- SSIDs and encryption settings |
| 00:35.11 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I'd recommend using network-manager (and its frontend network-manager-kde, since I think you mentioned you're using KDE) to handle that stuff |
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| 00:35.21 | petemc | stoned: partimage might be worth a look |
| 00:35.33 | stoned | ok |
| 00:35.38 | Wyzard | marcelo_: It's a nice GUI tool that gives you a pop-up menu of available wireless networks, lets you click on one, and prompts for a password if the network is secured |
| 00:35.52 | pipeline_ | Wyzard, marcelo_ : Don't forget to install wpasupplicant |
| 00:36.00 | g6o31 | i mean the kernel which the installer (during the installation procedure) copies to the hard drive ! in my iso, it is on path : pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-386_2.6.8-17_i386.deb but the install trpcedure didn't find it |
| 00:36.15 | pipeline_ | Wyzard, marcelo_ : And I believe the actual network-manager-kde app is called "knetworkmanager", which was very confusing when I installed it :) |
| 00:36.35 | Wyzard | yeah, wpa-supplicant is needed for connecting to WPA/WPA2 secured networks, and if you don't use network-manager you'll need to configure it directly |
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| 00:36.52 | pipeline_ | for some reason network-manager doesn't depend on wpasupplicant |
| 00:36.52 | Wyzard | but network-manager pulls in wpa-supplicant as a dependency and uses it behind the scenes, so you don't need to worry about it |
| 00:36.57 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 00:36.58 | pipeline_ | but I suppose somewhere someone only needs WEP :) |
| 00:37.08 | bulio | I'm trying to setup cups in Debian |
| 00:37.11 | Wyzard | In unstable it does |
| 00:37.12 | Wyzard | dunno about stable |
| 00:37.13 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: I think it's "recommends" |
| 00:37.22 | bulio | I edited cupsd.conf and added Listen 10.1.1.x (my static ip) |
| 00:37.39 | bulio | but when I try to access the cups web admin page, it doesnt load |
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| 00:37.45 | bulio | 10.1.1.x:631 works |
| 00:37.50 | bulio | but the admin page doesnt |
| 00:37.56 | Wyzard | pipeline_: nope, it's a depends: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/network-manager |
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| 00:38.29 | bulio | anyone know what might be causing this |
| 00:38.43 | Wyzard | pipeline_: Maybe it was just a recommendation in an older version of the packaging |
| 00:38.44 | regulate | cupsd is not a webserver |
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| 00:38.55 | Wyzard | regulate: yes it is |
| 00:39.01 | regulate | ok now it is |
| 00:39.02 | bulio | I also used Allow @ Local for the Locations |
| 00:39.14 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: well that's good :) |
| 00:39.21 | pipeline_ | regulate: it always has been. |
| 00:39.38 | dalias | wtf my iceweasel and iceape keep crashing when i go to this one site... |
| 00:39.55 | bulio | so it goes to redirect me, but just looks like its loading |
| 00:39.56 | marcelo_ | thanks for the help guys here is the rsults of th work done so far http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2878181#post2878181. ill take a day off tomorrow n get back into it soon. i need the lapto connected. thanks |
| 00:40.02 | Wyzard | regulate: IPP (CUPS' native protocol, which is also a standard) is HTTP-based |
| 00:40.14 | bulio | anyone able to help me? |
| 00:41.28 | pipeline_ | dalias: yeah, well. That's mozilla for you. |
| 00:42.06 | bulio | is there some config option I'm missing? |
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| 00:42.35 | andy_ | hello |
| 00:42.49 | bulio | adding a printer takes forever too |
| 00:42.49 | andy_ | i'm just showing my brother the terminus font so I'm just going to say something and then disappear |
| 00:42.52 | andy_ | Thank you |
| 00:42.52 | andy_ | bye bye |
| 00:42.53 | bulio | it doesnt load |
| 00:42.53 | dalias | pipeline_, i think it might be pango actually |
| 00:42.54 | andy_ | <3 |
| 00:43.01 | dalias | or fontconfig |
| 00:43.05 | dalias | it seems to be font-caused |
| 00:44.32 | bulio | anyone? |
| 00:44.37 | g6o31 | during the install the following message is sent : "anna[4606] WARNING **: no packages for kernel in archive" |
| 00:44.38 | pipeline_ | dalias: Still a mozilla problem. Mozilla hijacks font rendering in all kinds of insane and stupid ways :) |
| 00:44.45 | dalias | :) |
| 00:45.06 | dalias | let's see if i remove the font.. |
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| 00:48.02 | dalias | nope, still crashes.. |
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| 00:51.47 | Wyzard | hey, cool, looks like GCC 4.2 has finally become the default in unstable |
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| 00:53.25 | petemc | Wyzard: you dont happen to know what happened to xen packaged kernels? |
| 00:54.09 | Wyzard | petemc: The 2.6.18 ones are still available... I don't see any for newer kernels though |
| 00:54.23 | petemc | Wyzard: in that repos for unstable? |
| 00:54.45 | Wyzard | petemc: oops, no, nevermind -- I forgot I have etch sources too |
| 00:55.59 | petemc | Wyzard: i got caught out by the same thing when asked that question |
| 00:56.11 | petemc | i cant remember why i had etch sources on that box, either.. |
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| 00:57.27 | Wyzard | petemc: Maybe Xen just doesn't provide patches for later kernels |
| 00:57.44 | Wyzard | petemc: I've heard that part of Xen is going to be included in 2.6.23 though |
| 00:57.53 | khronos | quit |
| 00:58.07 | petemc | Wyzard: right, ive heard same |
| 00:58.27 | petemc | seems odd that use xen on unstable you need to build your own kernel, tho |
| 00:58.28 | Wyzard | petemc: The only box I run Xen on is my router, though, and that runs stable anyway |
| 00:58.42 | petemc | debian xen team to users - "build you own kernels, bitch!" |
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| 01:00.30 | Wyzard | petemc: VirtualBox seems to be packaged in unstable as of today, btw |
| 01:01.16 | petemc | ive a load of boxes running xen, thinking about my easiest upgrade path |
| 01:01.53 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 01:02.40 | bzed | petemc: afaik the kernel team is working on an updated kernel for xen |
| 01:02.55 | petemc | bzed: happy days, cheets |
| 01:02.58 | petemc | cheers |
| 01:03.04 | bzed | petemc: please note that there's no official support for that from the xen developers as they're on the way to merge their stuff into the kernel.org kernel |
| 01:03.27 | bzed | so they're not getting out any updates on the old way of integrating it into the kernel |
| 01:04.32 | petemc | bzed: i wouldnt presume to expect too much |
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| 01:07.12 | rahul | gotta run a sec |
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| 01:07.50 | baghyay | how much disk space free i ll need toinstall debian |
| 01:08.11 | rahul | baghyay: 500MB |
| 01:08.23 | rahul | well, possibly less, but 500MB is a good minimum |
| 01:08.25 | baghyay | just 500 mb |
| 01:08.33 | dukez | hi all |
| 01:08.44 | Blwood | Does someone know what is the command to find the package from which a program come from ? |
| 01:08.54 | rahul | dpkg -S |
| 01:08.55 | Blwood | (I forgot it :( ) |
| 01:09.02 | dukez | can you tell me if md_proxy_ajp package with apahce2.2.3 on etch is broken ? |
| 01:09.23 | dukez | i cant make it work properly n my production systems |
| 01:09.28 | Blwood | rahul, thank you :), btw my name is raoul |
| 01:09.53 | rahul | another false twin! |
| 01:10.01 | Blwood | haha :p |
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| 01:10.10 | rahul | you, me, and Raul Julia can be the false triplets |
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| 01:12.17 | rahul | and on that note, have a good night, everyone |
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| 01:22.38 | fsmunoz | cheers |
| 01:23.31 | yigal | how can I find all of the packages that a virtual package uses? user-he a package to make a hebrew version of debian installs gconf2 and a number of other gnome abominations that I don't want on my system but I do want most of the packages installed. thanks for suggestions etc. |
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| 01:24.08 | vxdscn | Hello, which tty does OpenSSH daemon use? |
| 01:24.26 | yigal | vxdscn: do you mean port? 22 |
| 01:24.51 | vxdscn | yigal: Which tty device in /etc/securetty does OpenSSH use? |
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| 01:27.08 | yigal | no one? ok maybe I belong in ubuntu |
| 01:27.09 | Wyzard | vxdscn: none |
| 01:27.20 | yigal | Wyzard: that is what I am feeling |
| 01:28.26 | Wyzard | vxdscn: When you connect with ssh, it allocates you a pseudo-terminal, which will be a device in /dev/pts |
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| 01:29.02 | Wyzard | vxdscn: sshd doesn't look at the securetty file at all, afaik... it has its own configuration setting for whether root logins should be allowed |
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| 01:41.23 | muskratmx | Hello, I have a strange problem. I have a laptop that seems to have developed some corrupted files. Mostly txt and OO doc files, the rest seems to be OK. Does anybody have any ideas? |
| 01:42.02 | fsmunoz | muskratmx: any crashes lately? |
| 01:42.44 | muskratmx | Just one about an hour ago the whole system froze |
| 01:42.44 | fsmunoz | muskratmx: you wouldn't be using XFS filesystem? |
| 01:43.02 | muskratmx | No it's ext3 |
| 01:43.10 | fsmunoz | ok |
| 01:43.29 | fsmunoz | were the txt and OO files something you were working on before the crash? |
| 01:43.45 | fsmunoz | T be honest it will b difficult to know the reason for the corruption... |
| 01:44.01 | muskratmx | No it seems to be random. |
| 01:44.37 | muskratmx | The txt files when opened are being called branry file. |
| 01:45.04 | fsmunoz | Assuming it's no hardware thing generally corruption in files is more common when the system crashes and the recovery isn't perfect, and can affect any file, but more often then not files that were opened at the time of the crash |
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| 01:46.23 | Wyzard | More accurately, files that were modified recently before the crash |
| 01:46.33 | Wyzard | Just having a file open generally doesn't do anything to it |
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| 01:47.03 | muskratmx | Some of these files haven't been open for a long time. |
| 01:47.17 | fsmunoz | Wyzard: yes, that's correct, thanks. |
| 01:47.23 | Wyzard | could be a bad hard drive, then |
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| 01:47.30 | Wyzard | which could also be a reason for the crash |
| 01:47.46 | Wyzard | Check syslog for messages like "{ DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" |
| 01:47.51 | muskratmx | It's about a three year old laptop. |
| 01:48.04 | fsmunoz | Wyzard: unless when using XFS, were the opened filed would be nil'ed. This could be fixed by now but it was a PITA. |
| 01:48.13 | Wyzard | fsmunoz: yeah, I've seen that happen too |
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| 01:48.39 | Wyzard | fsmunoz: but it was still just recently-modified files, not all opened ones |
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| 01:48.45 | geo-rge | fsmunoz: so there's something with xfs and truncated files? is there a link to more info? |
| 01:49.04 | muskratmx | What util would be good to check the drive and see hows it's working. |
| 01:49.17 | Wyzard | geo-rge: XFS does a lot of caching of metadata in RAM, for faster performance at the expense of crash-safety |
| 01:49.31 | sam1337 | is the proprietory nvidia driver in lennys non-free repository yet? |
| 01:49.42 | geo-rge | hmm, so your system -better- be solid |
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| 01:49.44 | Wyzard | geo-rge: After a crash, files that were recently modified have a tendency to have their contents replaced by a bunch of zeros |
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| 01:49.56 | Wyzard | geo-rge: yeah, it's meant for things like servers that have UPSes |
| 01:50.05 | fsmunoz | Apparently Digital equipment was made in a way that the memory held out a little longer power-wise when a crash happened, or something like that. When using it PC's without that feature some truncating would occur. That's the explanation I read some time ago. |
| 01:50.06 | Wyzard | geo-rge: That's made clear in the documentation |
| 01:50.21 | geo-rge | from the xfs folks? |
| 01:50.48 | Wyzard | geo-rge: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#nulls |
| 01:51.11 | \amethyst | also look at http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2006.08.11-xfs-zeroes |
| 01:51.18 | Wyzard | geo-rge: It claims to have been fixed recently, but that FAQ entry used to say it was fixed a few years ago, and it wasn't |
| 01:51.25 | fsmunoz | It0s been fixed then... maybe I'll try XFS again. |
| 01:51.44 | Wyzard | It claims to have been fixed |
| 01:51.50 | Wyzard | Test it before believing that it actually is |
| 01:52.06 | fsmunoz | Wyzard: ehehe, indeed |
| 01:52.15 | geo-rge | is there a test suite? |
| 01:52.29 | \amethyst | if you want to avoid files going funny when the power goes out, you really want full journalling, not just metadata |
| 01:52.36 | Wyzard | geo-rge: No, just set up a test box, start downloading some files onto it, and pull the plug :-) |
| 01:52.37 | muskratmx | No such DriveReady error. |
| 01:53.20 | geo-rge | ok... what are other fses that perform ok and either do full journaling or none? |
| 01:53.43 | sam1337 | is the proprietory nvidia driver in lennys repo yet? |
| 01:53.50 | Wyzard | sam1337: no, but the one in unstable works |
| 01:54.02 | \amethyst | geo-rge: ext3 can do full journalling, but metadata-only is the default |
| 01:54.34 | geo-rge | and xfs, there is no such option? |
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| 01:54.54 | \amethyst | I'm pretty sure the xfs log is metadata only |
| 01:55.01 | \amethyst | full journalling is slower |
| 01:55.05 | sam1337 | Wyzard how long will it take for the driver to make it to testing? |
| 01:55.10 | \amethyst | since everything has to be written to disk twice |
| 01:55.10 | bulio | I setup and configure cupsd.conf |
| 01:55.13 | dalias | full journaling will be extremely slow i think.. |
| 01:55.20 | geo-rge | how does it compare to no journaling? |
| 01:55.24 | bulio | I set it it listen on 10.1.1.3 |
| 01:55.27 | Wyzard | sam1337: no idea... I don't know why it was removed in the first place |
| 01:55.36 | bulio | and I set Allow @LOCAL for admin and regular pages |
| 01:55.39 | dalias | geo-rge, no journaling = major damage from crashes |
| 01:55.41 | \amethyst | no journalling is very fast, until you have to fsck :) |
| 01:55.50 | dalias | btw |
| 01:55.51 | bulio | but whenever i access the cups site, it doesnt let me get on the admin page |
| 01:55.54 | sam1337 | Wyzard is it possible to downgrade from sid to lenny? |
| 01:55.57 | bulio | it just keeps loading forever |
| 01:56.01 | Wyzard | sam1337: no |
| 01:56.03 | bulio | any idea why? |
| 01:56.10 | geo-rge | could full journalling be slower than no journaling? |
| 01:56.10 | dalias | some fs's use a much smarter alternative to journaling called ordering |
| 01:56.19 | sam1337 | ok ubuntu for me for a while then |
| 01:56.24 | \amethyst | geo-rge: any journalling is slower than no journalling |
| 01:56.27 | bulio | anyone? |
| 01:56.27 | dalias | where the kernel just writes things in the correct order so that the fs is always in a consistent state |
| 01:56.28 | Wyzard | geo-rge: Get a UPS... that gives the machine a few minutes to shut down cleanly when the power goes out |
| 01:56.50 | dalias | geo-rge, of course full journal is slower than no jornal. no journal is the fastest but unsafe |
| 01:57.00 | bulio | is there a setting I have wrong? |
| 01:57.21 | bulio | because I can see the cups web interface fine, but cannot access any admin pages |
| 01:57.37 | geo-rge | hmm, that doesn't explain a result I got years ago when reiser was newish and I tried it versus ext2 |
| 01:57.42 | \amethyst | bulio: when you say "doesn't let you go", what do you mean? |
| 01:57.49 | geo-rge | probably apples and oranges? |
| 01:57.52 | \amethyst | geo-rge: reiser has other things that make it fast |
| 01:58.10 | bulio | \amethyst: it just says "Waiting for 10.1.1.3" |
| 01:58.11 | dalias | geo-rge, be careful using reiser fs, it might result in your wife disappearing mysteriously.. |
| 01:58.16 | geo-rge | like something to kill you if you bother it? :) |
| 01:58.17 | bulio | and never actually takes me to the page |
| 01:58.35 | \amethyst | bulio: that's the right IP? |
| 01:58.35 | bulio | all I can access is the main page |
| 01:58.37 | bulio | no other pages |
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| 01:58.42 | bulio | \amethyst: yep |
| 01:58.54 | geo-rge | poor reiser2,,, bearing the brunt of all this fun :) |
| 01:58.57 | \amethyst | bulio: anything in the logs? |
| 01:59.04 | bulio | where can I check them? |
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| 01:59.22 | \amethyst | bulio: /var/log/cups/access_log or error_log |
| 01:59.30 | sam1337 | Wyzard is it possible to run lenny and install the unstable nvidia driver? |
| 02:00.01 | bulio | unable to encrypt connection |
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| 02:00.10 | bulio | and error in the push function |
| 02:00.39 | geo-rge | is there some sort of imap2 that does encrypted auth |
| 02:00.43 | Wyzard | sam1337: yes, just grab the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source .deb files from unstable |
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| 02:01.34 | sam1337 | Wyzard thanks for your help in this matter |
| 02:01.46 | \amethyst | bulio: what if you turn off encryption |
| 02:02.12 | \amethyst | bulio: ("Encryption Never" in cupsd.conf) |
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| 02:03.13 | \amethyst | bulio: of course, that might not be a good idea if you have untrusted hosts on your network |
| 02:05.18 | geo-rge | so I got an asus m2npv-vm mobo, it's got some kind of nvidia video on it |
| 02:05.58 | bulio | \amethyst: encrypt_client isnt working |
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| 02:06.33 | \amethyst | bulio: hmm... not sure what's going on, I'm not really a cups expert |
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| 02:10.51 | geo-rge | says it has this video: "NVIDIA GeForce 6150" |
| 02:11.05 | geo-rge | what driver supports that? |
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| 02:12.30 | dalias | if you want a free driver that will let you use normal apps just fine, "nv" |
| 02:12.48 | mot | so, i've recently moved over to debian from fedora and i was wondering how feasible it is to apt-get new kernels/kernel headers? |
| 02:12.56 | dalias | if you want to play gamez and don't mind your box crashing now and then or having strange bugs, "nvidia" (non-free) |
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| 02:13.20 | fsmunoz | mot: perfectly feasible... |
| 02:13.28 | mot | well, what is the syntax for doing so? |
| 02:13.31 | geo-rge | dalias: so that ought to do 2d and X ok? |
| 02:13.46 | dalias | yeah "nv" does everything 2d just fine |
| 02:13.47 | mot | i.e. in fedora 'yum install kernel' will just install the newest kernel out of the repo - what's the apt-get syntax for doing such a thing? |
| 02:13.50 | fsmunoz | mot: I mean, you have a list of available kernels available, apt-get them and it should be automatic... |
| 02:13.55 | dalias | (probably better for 2d than "nvidia") |
| 02:13.55 | mot | i'm still getting used to the different package naming conventions of debian |
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| 02:14.00 | fsmunoz | mot: unless I'm not completely understanding your doubt. |
| 02:14.10 | geo-rge | and this is the free-software driver? also... since it's free, would it be included in the xorg server of etch r1? |
| 02:14.19 | mot | well, i'm asking what the syntax for doing such a thing is |
| 02:14.25 | dalias | yes, "nv" is free software |
| 02:14.33 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 02:14.49 | dalias | it's included with x.org but might be a separate package. i don't remember how the packaging for drivers is done nowadays.. |
| 02:15.48 | mot | is there anything in the debian repos above 2.6.18? |
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| 02:15.57 | dondelelcaro | mot: yes |
| 02:15.57 | mot | i think the latest stable is like 2.6.22 |
| 02:16.16 | dondelelcaro | mot: and 2.6.22-1 is in unstable. |
| 02:16.23 | mot | alright, well, how would i go about apt-getting it? i'm looking through packages.debian.org and the latest i see is 2.6.18 |
| 02:16.34 | mot | alright, then it was 2.6.20 that was stable |
| 02:16.40 | dondelelcaro | you're just looking at stable, not unstable if that's what you're seeing. |
| 02:17.01 | mot | thats ^ what i'm using in fedora at the moment |
| 02:17.17 | mot | so, let's say i wanted that unstable kernel in debian, what would i want to apt-get for i686 arch? |
| 02:17.39 | dondelelcaro | you'd just install linux-image-2.6-686, and it'll do the rest. |
| 02:17.55 | dondelelcaro | (including updating to the newest kernel when its available) |
| 02:18.01 | mot | not kernel-image-2.6-686? |
| 02:18.30 | mot | and, what do you mean by "it'll do the rest" ? |
| 02:18.30 | dondelelcaro | if it was kernel-image, I would have said kernel-image... |
| 02:18.31 | Wyzard | mot: No, that's a dummy package for sarge upgrades, which just pulls in linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:18.37 | mot | ahhhh |
| 02:18.48 | mot | sorry, i'm just looking through the repos for package names |
| 02:19.06 | geo-rge | mot: you might like packages.debian.org |
| 02:19.19 | mot | that's where i'm at right now |
| 02:19.25 | mot | but everything i see is still 2.6.18 |
| 02:19.27 | geo-rge | oh, ok :) |
| 02:19.48 | mot | sorry, it's a very interesting move from a redhat based distro to debian. |
| 02:20.14 | dondelelcaro | mot: see packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 for example |
| 02:20.14 | geo-rge | how does it compare for stability? |
| 02:20.40 | mot | wow, that definitely didn't come up when i searched. |
| 02:20.53 | Wyzard | mot: sounds like you're not actually running unstable |
| 02:20.56 | mot | so if i just apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 it will install the latest (stable) kernel automatically? |
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| 02:21.07 | mot | nah i'm running etch |
| 02:21.24 | mot | kernel-wise fedora is now using 2.6.20 and 2.6.22 + |
| 02:21.29 | Bogus8 | what is the benefit of using absolute paths in scripts for binaries? |
| 02:21.33 | Wyzard | mot: linux-image-2.6-686 is a dummy package which doesn't contain a kernel, but depends on another package which does |
| 02:21.44 | mot | ahh so it will still grab the latest? |
| 02:21.47 | dalias | bogus8, depends on the situation |
| 02:21.50 | dalias | usually it's a bad idea |
| 02:21.53 | Wyzard | mot: When a new kernel becomes available, the linux-image-2.6-686 package is updated to depend on it |
| 02:21.55 | geo-rge | Bogus8: it doesnm't search for the binary |
| 02:22.02 | vxdscn | Wyzard: Thx |
| 02:22.02 | dalias | but if you want to make sure the script works even if PATH was set to something strange |
| 02:22.05 | Bogus8 | dalias: to use absolute paths? every example script I find always does |
| 02:22.06 | dalias | then it might be needed |
| 02:22.11 | geo-rge | it always gives you THE one you asked for |
| 02:22.18 | Wyzard | mot: so when you upgrade linux-image-2.6-686 (which is already installed, and therefore eligible for upgrades), it pulls in the new kernel package as a dependency |
| 02:22.30 | dalias | scripts with absolutep paths are not portable to other systems |
| 02:22.35 | mot | hmm apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 pulls in 2.6.18-5 |
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| 02:22.48 | dalias | but more "robust" (i.e. they work even if PATH is set strange) on the local machine |
| 02:22.55 | Wyzard | mot: because that's what the etch version of linux-image-2.6-686 depends on |
| 02:22.55 | Bogus8 | I mean for something like tar... to make a script more "universal" absolute paths would be a bad idea right? |
| 02:22.57 | geo-rge | say if you built something and installed it somewhere funny like your home dir, you'd need absolute path should you have wanted to use the one you installed there4 |
| 02:23.02 | Wyzard | mot: (and it's also the latest version available in etch) |
| 02:23.08 | dalias | this is why system scripts (which are system-specific anyway) usually use absolute paths |
| 02:23.41 | Wyzard | mot: Right now your /etc/apt/sources.list only specifies stable (etch) sources, so apt only knows about stable packages |
| 02:23.50 | dalias | but yeah if you made a script that used various standard unix commands and wanted to carry it with you and use it on other non-debian systems, absolute paths would be bad |
| 02:23.50 | mot | ahh |
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| 02:24.04 | Bogus8 | I just see lots of scripts with basic stuff that almost every system has... like tar, updatedb things like that being given absolutes |
| 02:24.04 | mot | is there anywhere where i can find better more optimal layouts for my sources.list, then? |
| 02:24.13 | Wyzard | mot: If you add unstable sources, then it'll be able to see the unstable packages -- such as a newer version of linux-image-2.6-686 which depends on a 2.6.22 kernel |
| 02:24.33 | geo-rge | as long as the bins don't get moved or removed, it will work regardless of the setting of $PATH, which is not touched if the path to the bin contains the char "/" |
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| 02:26.52 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I'm just writing simple scripts that I don't want to have to modify if something changes on a system... I mean these apps will always be globably installed so the $path should always be there |
| 02:27.23 | geo-rge | what kind of thing are you doing? |
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| 02:28.30 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: oh nothing special just simple various scripts... I was just asking the question for general knowledge |
| 02:28.54 | beered | I've tried to rm -rf my .bash history file but I still get command history listed. How do I delete .bash_history? |
| 02:29.08 | geo-rge | well on that basis, I'd say that if you're assuming a normal system it should have the stuff |
| 02:29.20 | geo-rge | here's one thing your scripts can do: |
| 02:29.30 | geo-rge | they can check for the things they use |
| 02:29.33 | Wyzard | beered: Your running bash instance keeps its history in memory; it doesn't re-open and re-read that file every time you press the "up" key |
| 02:29.58 | Wyzard | beered: It updates the file when you quit the shell |
| 02:30.01 | beered | Wyzard: I restarted the computer after deleting .bash_history. |
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| 02:30.55 | Wyzard | beered: The shell in which you deleted the file still had its own history in memory, and it wrote that history to the file (recreating the file) when you closed it |
| 02:31.23 | beered | Wyzard: how do I delete it then? |
| 02:31.54 | Wyzard | beered: You did delete it, and all the previous saved history went away |
| 02:32.48 | Wyzard | beered: If you don't want any command history to ever be saved, you can replace it with a symlink to /dev/null |
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| 02:33.23 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: that's a good thought... I'm usually the only admin of these systems so it's not a big deal but I want to do things right |
| 02:33.41 | geo-rge | why did he want to remove his command history? |
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| 02:34.01 | dalias | here's the best way i know to remove history easily |
| 02:34.06 | Wyzard | privacy maybe, in case other people sometimes use the computer while he's logged in |
| 02:34.11 | dalias | rm .bash_history && kill -9 $$ |
| 02:34.21 | dalias | he might have typed a password accidentally as a command |
| 02:34.23 | dalias | i do that sometimes |
| 02:34.25 | mot | anybody know off the top of their head what debian's support for creative audigy pcmcia soundcards is like at the moment? |
| 02:34.32 | mot | or what kind of packages would facilitate such a thing? |
| 02:34.32 | dalias | or he might have been wgetting kiddie porn |
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| 02:36.02 | Bogus8 | I vote the latter ;) |
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| 02:37.46 | mot | one other thing |
| 02:37.53 | mot | to mount ntfs partitions in fedora i use a package called ntfs-3g |
| 02:37.57 | mot | anybody know it's debian counterpart? |
| 02:38.29 | geo-rge | ntfs support in linux is a collection of guesses |
| 02:38.32 | geo-rge | just so you know :) |
| 02:38.39 | Wyzard | mot: That's packaged in testing and unstable |
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| 02:38.46 | Wyzard | mot: same package name |
| 02:39.00 | grandpapa | lol, I think network solutions is having an outage.. I can't hit any of those domains.. |
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| 02:39.07 | grandpapa | hit=resolve |
| 02:39.13 | geo-rge | many of these guesses are fairly good given some parts work |
| 02:39.16 | Wyzard | mot: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ntfs-3g&searchon=names&version=all&release=all |
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| 02:44.24 | onats | how do i get files/folders from a machine that i ssh-ed into? |
| 02:44.32 | jetscreamer | scp |
| 02:44.33 | funky | scp |
| 02:45.07 | geo-rge | man scp for details... |
| 02:45.40 | onats | great, thanks! |
| 02:46.20 | funky | yw onanist |
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| 02:47.06 | fsmunoz | hehe |
| 02:48.02 | Growly | which util lets me spin a hard drive down?> |
| 02:48.09 | grendal_prime | ok this may seem like an odd question but..it seems there must be some way of doing this...say i have a network that has a linux software router as the gateway.. and want to ssh into a box on the other side and run an x app there...can i do that? |
| 02:48.21 | fsmunoz | Growly: hdparm? |
| 02:48.50 | fsmunoz | grendal_prime: yes |
| 02:48.50 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: If you can get to the box with ssh, ssh's "-X" option does secure X tunneling |
| 02:48.51 | grendal_prime | i mean currently i ssh into the gateway and then ssh into the box on the otherside from the gateway. but when i try and run the x app it just says..cannot connect to x server.. |
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| 02:49.14 | Growly | hdparm can spin them down? |
| 02:49.15 | Growly | excellent |
| 02:49.19 | fsmunoz | grendal_prime: you want the X app that you start on the remote server to appear on your display right? |
| 02:49.19 | jetscreamer | !tell wofl -about root |
| 02:49.19 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: If you do it that way, enable X11Forwarding on the gateway and install xbase-clients on it, and use -X for both hops |
| 02:49.21 | grendal_prime | im assuming that is because there is no X on the gateway. |
| 02:49.35 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: (and enable X11Forwarding on the real target machine too, of course) |
| 02:49.37 | fsmunoz | Growly: not absolutely sure, but they have so many commands that I think it's possible... |
| 02:49.55 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: You don't need an X server or anything on the gateway, just xbase-clients for the xauth program |
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| 02:50.10 | grendal_prime | Wyzard: xbased-clients? |
| 02:50.28 | Wyzard | xbase-clients |
| 02:50.28 | grendal_prime | for each application? im not familiar with that term |
| 02:50.35 | Wyzard | It's a package |
| 02:50.37 | grendal_prime | is that a package of some sort |
| 02:50.40 | grendal_prime | ooo ok thanks |
| 02:50.47 | Wyzard | It contains /usr/bin/xauth |
| 02:51.07 | Growly | fsmunoz - you were right, the -Y argument puts "IDE drives" to sleep |
| 02:51.26 | Growly | haven't tried it on a scsi disk |
| 02:53.20 | fsmunoz | Growly: everytime I see a command that likes to put hardware "top sleep" I get this unconfortable feeling that it will not wake up :) |
| 02:53.29 | fsmunoz | s/top/to/ |
| 02:53.30 | mot | hmm any reason throwing 'unstable' at the end of each line of my sources.list isn't working out? :P |
| 02:53.50 | mot | i have deb URL etch main unstable |
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| 02:53.59 | mot | and it's complaining at me saying it couldn't retrieve the package list |
| 02:54.05 | grendal_prime | ok Wyzard next question...i use ssh all the time..have several boxes at 3 different companys..appliances mostly, which is why im sort of unfamilar with this as of right now. Anyway. what im doing is running an application that is encoding a dvd on this remote location we are discussing.. do you think it would be better to vnc into that box? I mean when i run the x session from remote like this the advantage would be..? |
| 02:54.11 | fsmunoz | mot: it wouldbe deb unstable main |
| 02:54.21 | fsmunoz | mot: replace the ethc |
| 02:54.31 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 02:54.31 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 02:54.44 | fsmunoz | mot: actuall, keep the lines you have and just create new ones with etch replaced by unstable |
| 02:54.44 | mot | well, what if i want to pull from etch, too? |
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| 02:54.51 | mot | ahhh okay |
| 02:54.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: hey |
| 02:56.06 | troubled | stoned: my man :) |
| 02:56.11 | stoned | ok |
| 02:56.17 | stoned | hi |
| 02:56.36 | mot | oh neat that worked |
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| 02:57.01 | stoned | meat is good |
| 02:57.04 | jetscreamer | hey stoned |
| 02:57.11 | stoned | i like meat |
| 02:57.11 | jetscreamer | !tell mot -about downgrade |
| 02:57.17 | jetscreamer | !tell mot -about backports |
| 02:57.22 | beered | Wyzard: sorry, I got booted. how do I delete bash_history file again? |
| 02:57.36 | troubled | beered: history -c |
| 02:57.41 | stoned | beered: rm ~/.bash_history? |
| 02:57.47 | stoned | or that |
| 02:57.49 | Growly | fsmunoz - haha, they're not waking up |
| 02:57.59 | stoned | I'm on windows right now |
| 02:58.01 | stoned | :( |
| 02:58.34 | beered | troubled: thanks! |
| 02:58.44 | troubled | tbh, i cant remember if history -c only clears the current shells buffer, or if it does that and/or by rm'ing the file |
| 02:59.03 | troubled | beered: you may wish to cat ~/.bash_history to be sure |
| 02:59.37 | fsmunoz | Growly: hahaha, well, guess my paranoia has some reason for existing. I'm not sure why you're laughing though :) |
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| 03:00.32 | beered | troubled: why cat it? I mean why wouldn't I be sure? |
| 03:00.46 | Growly | fsmunoz - it wouldn't be a normal day if something didn't go incredibly, catalcysmically, painfully wrong |
| 03:00.52 | Growly | and i through to laugh instead of cry |
| 03:00.54 | Growly | *thought |
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| 03:02.20 | fsmunoz | Growly: hehe, know the feeling |
| 03:02.29 | fsmunoz | Growly: I suppose they will wake up with a reboot. |
| 03:02.39 | geo-rge | what do I get if I want a full X system but clients only, no server? |
| 03:02.46 | fsmunoz | Growly: or a good kick |
| 03:03.10 | geo-rge | maybe a kde system |
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| 03:03.28 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: install the framebuffer X server |
| 03:03.42 | geo-rge | nono, don't want a server on that machine at all |
| 03:03.42 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: since X packages depend on having one. |
| 03:03.53 | geo-rge | none |
| 03:03.56 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: well, then I don't know hoe to do that cleanly |
| 03:04.15 | geo-rge | kinda a shame... that seems a limitation |
| 03:04.39 | regulate | it was designed as a server |
| 03:04.45 | geo-rge | no it wasn't |
| 03:04.53 | geo-rge | it was designed as client-server |
| 03:05.15 | geo-rge | and it has been possible from the start to only have clients on the box |
| 03:05.31 | regulate | you can't install just the client package? |
| 03:05.39 | geo-rge | I just want to know how to accomplish that exact objective |
| 03:05.52 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: well, that's why xvfb is mostly installed... |
| 03:06.13 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: I know it is "something", but its something less complex than a real X server. |
| 03:06.17 | geo-rge | I especially do not want a frame buffer |
| 03:06.22 | fsmunoz | okok |
| 03:06.35 | geo-rge | I want to connect from a -different- machine :) |
| 03:07.12 | geo-rge | and -perhaps- having kdm and that whole shot |
| 03:07.21 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: I know that, it's just that xvfb is used also in those situations, to allow X packages to pass dependency checking so you can install them. |
| 03:07.24 | geo-rge | haven't really decided on that point tho |
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| 03:08.05 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: there is also a "xserver-xorg-video-dummy" |
| 03:08.27 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: which does even less than xvfb |
| 03:08.34 | geo-rge | why did this change? |
| 03:08.36 | Growly | fsmunoz - yay they're back |
| 03:08.40 | Growly | doesn't mean i trust them |
| 03:08.47 | Growly | can't a guy get a set of good drives, ever? |
| 03:08.49 | Growly | sheesh |
| 03:08.49 | fsmunoz | Growly: hehe, gave it a kick? |
| 03:08.55 | Growly | yeup |
| 03:09.10 | fsmunoz | right |
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| 03:09.48 | geo-rge | fsmunoz: btw, which package are you assuming is dependent upon the x server? |
| 03:10.24 | geo-rge | maybe asking for these details might reveal we're not arguing in the first place :) |
| 03:10.42 | Wyzard | geo-rge: X clients shouldn't depend on having an X server installed |
| 03:10.45 | Wyzard | geo-rge: If they do, it's a bug |
| 03:10.52 | Wyzard | geo-rge: They might recommend one, but shouldn't depend on one |
| 03:10.55 | geo-rge | oh good :) so it didn't change :) |
| 03:11.13 | geo-rge | so say I install kde |
| 03:11.31 | geo-rge | would I fail to get an x server then? |
| 03:11.36 | liable | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card |
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| 03:11.48 | liable | theres a better article on this somewhere |
| 03:12.00 | liable | doh, wrong fucking window again |
| 03:12.11 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: not sure, the "regular" desktop stuff doesn't depend on it, I was assuming you had a specific set of applications you knew depended on an xserver |
| 03:12.40 | fsmunoz | I know I have encountered a few, but it was some time ago. |
| 03:12.58 | geo-rge | fsmunoz: in that case as well, we were arguing but no reason to :) |
| 03:13.05 | fsmunoz | heheh |
| 03:13.16 | mot | can you use the same swap partition for two linux distros? |
| 03:13.35 | Wyzard | geo-rge: I just marked the "kde" metapackage for installation on a headless box, and xorg and xserver-xorg are both in the long list of suggested packages, but neither is marked for installation |
| 03:13.49 | geo-rge | ok |
| 03:13.56 | geo-rge | let's try that |
| 03:14.26 | geo-rge | I'm not saying kde is better or worse than anything for any reason, btw... I'm just sorta used to it |
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| 03:15.43 | Rusty1 | mot AFAIK yes , as long as they're marked as such |
| 03:15.57 | fsmunoz | apt-cache depends xserver-xorg does look rather frugal |
| 03:16.31 | geo-rge | fsmunoz: it's just that there is not a reason to have that open |
| 03:16.33 | Wofl | hey guys |
| 03:16.37 | Wofl | i have an issue with fglrx |
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| 03:16.59 | geo-rge | I considered having an x server there... it would involve me wheeling my chair too often |
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| 03:17.22 | Wofl | gives me "unable to load module: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/driver//fglrx_drv.so" |
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| 03:17.29 | fsmunoz | geo-rge: oh, I understand completely |
| 03:17.38 | Wofl | is the doubleslash a big problem? |
| 03:17.49 | geo-rge | no, should be not the problem |
| 03:17.58 | Wofl | other modules do the same, according to the xorg log |
| 03:18.14 | geo-rge | does that file exist btw? |
| 03:18.15 | fsmunoz | (that would be rdepends btw) |
| 03:19.44 | Wofl | yes, it exists |
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| 03:21.00 | Wofl | hava an fglrx_drv.so in there |
| 03:21.07 | gpm | anyone know what happened to xfonts-artwiz? is there a way to get a debian package for those fonts? |
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| 03:21.18 | \amethyst | Wofl: what versions of xserver-xorg-core and fglrx-driver? |
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| 03:21.59 | Wofl | driver is 8.40.4-1 |
| 03:22.27 | \amethyst | gpm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=344396 |
| 03:22.50 | Wofl | xserver is at 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 |
| 03:23.09 | Wofl | runnig debian unstable |
| 03:23.19 | gpm | \amethyst: :( |
| 03:23.26 | Growly | !iostat |
| 03:23.31 | \amethyst | gpm: you can install the version from sarge, probably |
| 03:23.41 | gpm | \amethyst: eh, there are other fonts |
| 03:23.49 | \amethyst | gpm: it wasn't the last version packaged, but it's close |
| 03:24.05 | gpm | \amethyst: yeah. or i bet i could find the least-old unstable .deb |
| 03:24.10 | gpm | on snapshot or something |
| 03:24.15 | gpm | well that's a bummer |
| 03:24.16 | gpm | thanks |
| 03:24.38 | Wofl | can manually load fglrx too |
| 03:25.58 | Wofl | any ideas? |
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| 03:28.05 | Gigantic | Hi, How do I flush memeory manually? |
| 03:28.10 | Gigantic | pdflush |
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| 03:36.03 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 03:36.03 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
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| 03:37.50 | en1gma | hey all im going to attempt to build a kernel and can someone tell me what info i need to gather before i do this? i know i need some of the info from 'lspci -vvv' |
| 03:38.02 | en1gma | but isnt there something for the processor im using too |
| 03:38.22 | simonrvn | that one is one of those "you had to be there" ones ;) |
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| 03:38.56 | Maliuta | en1gma: so you don't know what hardware you are running and you want to build a kernel? just remember to leave the running one installed and available |
| 03:39.35 | en1gma | im sure you dont know all the flags your processor uses either |
| 03:39.49 | en1gma | there is a hole list of em i just dont remember the command to list it all |
| 03:39.56 | Maliuta | en1gma: I build and install kernels all the time |
| 03:39.58 | en1gma | sounds like i know more then you about building kernels |
| 03:40.18 | Maliuta | en1gma: get real familiar with make menuconfig |
| 03:40.31 | en1gma | i never said this was the first time i built a kernel |
| 03:40.33 | Maliuta | en1gma: and maybe read the make-kpkg man page |
| 03:40.40 | en1gma | one of the first times with debian yes |
| 03:40.57 | en1gma | i have the debian kernel howto open |
| 03:41.03 | en1gma | im not asking about compiling |
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| 03:41.16 | en1gma | im asking about how to get the info for your specific "processor" |
| 03:41.45 | en1gma | im going to be very specific with this build...not just a generic leave it at the defaults |
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| 03:43.49 | en1gma | Maliuta 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
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| 03:44.51 | \amethyst | then what is the $(<...) about? |
| 03:44.53 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:45.25 | en1gma | Maliuta see all the "flags" now? |
| 03:45.31 | en1gma | bet you didnt know those either |
| 03:45.56 | liable | and what are you going to do with those flags? |
| 03:46.29 | en1gma | well im going to make sure i have all the specific info i need before i get into make menuconfig |
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| 03:46.37 | en1gma | some of those flags it asks for |
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| 03:47.05 | liable | theres not *that* many kernel options for processors :) |
| 03:47.23 | en1gma | i know but some are in there and its good to have what you do have |
| 03:47.26 | linux_jones | does anyone know anything about ati cards? |
| 03:47.40 | en1gma | i know a little bout ati cards (i have had probably 15 |
| 03:47.48 | en1gma | whats u |
| 03:47.49 | en1gma | p |
| 03:48.04 | linux_jones | en1gma, do you know if there is a driver for the radion 9100 pro that works with etch?\ |
| 03:48.19 | en1gma | is it igp? |
| 03:48.26 | en1gma | or the pci-x |
| 03:48.34 | linux_jones | pci |
| 03:48.53 | en1gma | yea there is a driver but you have to get it from ati site as its not "free" |
| 03:48.58 | en1gma | well wait just a min |
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| 03:49.06 | en1gma | im thinking for my cards ive had |
| 03:49.09 | en1gma | let me look |
| 03:50.00 | en1gma | well shit the ati page changed alot in the last week eh? |
| 03:50.15 | en1gma | its full blown amd now...i know it was before but now it really is |
| 03:50.37 | Bogus8 | why don't I have bounce.cf.default? (from postfix) ? |
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| 03:50.54 | en1gma | ok found the ati driver page the way it used to look like ....1sec |
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| 03:52.08 | en1gma | Radeon® 9100 series |
| 03:52.12 | Colt7r | Firestarter- pure iptables rulez |
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| 03:53.08 | en1gma | linux_jones i clicked on the "9000" driver and the "9200" driver and they both say they support the 9100 |
| 03:53.16 | en1gma | so i imagine its one driver for all their cards |
| 03:53.31 | en1gma | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.28.8.html |
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| 03:53.40 | en1gma | http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html |
| 03:54.44 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i'm just curious as to what people recommend: the package "harden" or "bastille" for hardening a box |
| 03:54.54 | mick_laptop | i've used bastille in the past |
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| 03:56.06 | en1gma | linux_jones did you get that info? |
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| 03:57.04 | erpo | I have replaced a server and I need to remove the old server's ssh key from my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file. How can I identify which line contains my old server's key? |
| 03:57.14 | en1gma | i have a question about acpi, apm and apic...if im going to build my drivers as built-in do i need any of those? |
| 03:57.32 | en1gma | look on your client machine at the key |
| 04:00.05 | Wyzard | erpo: Try to log into the machine, and SSH will print a big warning about the key having changed, and it'll tell you the line number of the offending key in your known_hosts |
| 04:01.45 | erpo | Wyzard: So when it says "Offending key in /home/erpo/.ssh/known_hosts:1", the '1' means that it's the first line in .ssh/known_hosts? |
| 04:01.50 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 04:02.43 | erpo | Wyzard: Thanks. That did it. :) |
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| 04:06.47 | mot | any suggestions on what to do if debian hangs at 'booting root filesystem' on boot-up? |
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| 04:07.36 | linux_jones | so now how do i find out what version of x im running? |
| 04:08.31 | Bogus8 | linux_jones: X -version |
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| 04:17.53 | Bogus8 | how do I stop postfix from "relaying" DSN success messages to my isp's smtp server? I'm about ready to just figure out how to disable DSN completely! |
| 04:17.57 | Bogus8 | http://www.pastebin.ca/678465 |
| 04:18.00 | Bogus8 | that's the email I get everytime I email from my local postfix server's command line |
| 04:18.51 | abrotman | ask #postfix .. i've never seen those |
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| 04:19.37 | liable | Bogus8: what the hell did you do to your postfix to make it send you all these mails all the time? |
| 04:19.47 | Bogus8 | liable: absolutely nothing :( |
| 04:20.06 | Bogus8 | liable: apt-get and set it up for my isp's smtp server |
| 04:22.08 | Bogus8 | liable: here is my master.cf file |
| 04:22.20 | liable | Bogus8: i saw it yesterday :) |
| 04:22.58 | Bogus8 | then why are you asking me what I did to it :( |
| 04:23.00 | Bogus8 | hehe |
| 04:24.08 | abrotman | because it doesn't do that normally |
| 04:24.16 | Bogus8 | I have now disabled it's ability to send it locally which I don't think it was doing anyway... but that setting even states that it won't stop it from sending it to remote machines |
| 04:24.37 | Bogus8 | you guys want me to uninstall it? |
| 04:24.40 | Bogus8 | I'm out of ideas :( |
| 04:24.57 | Bogus8 | http://www.pastebin.ca/678635 |
| 04:25.12 | Bogus8 | what about my mydestination line there |
| 04:25.17 | Bogus8 | could that be doing something? |
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| 04:27.27 | linux_jones | what is dh_testdit? |
| 04:27.36 | linux_jones | dh_testdir, rather |
| 04:27.45 | peterS | it has a manpage |
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| 04:28.06 | linux_jones | not for me |
| 04:28.14 | linux_jones | and i cant apt-get it either |
| 04:28.37 | tcsetattr | debhelper |
| 04:28.38 | peterS | dh_* are usually part of the 'debhelper' package |
| 04:29.07 | Bogus8 | I mean what else can I fuck up during configure of the package |
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| 04:31.28 | Bogus8 | linux_jones: i have two systems that BOTH do this! |
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| 04:34.29 | Bogus8 | linux_jones: sorry that was meant for liable |
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| 04:36.15 | liable | Bogus8: so reconfigure it with dpkg and recheck your options |
| 04:36.26 | Bogus8 | liable: that's two different systems though |
| 04:36.39 | Bogus8 | liable: and doesn't that just write to the main.cf and maybe the master.cf ? |
| 04:36.57 | beered | hello |
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| 04:37.02 | Bogus8 | which means you guys would see if I did something wrong... and honestly how many options are there to mess up right? |
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| 04:37.36 | liable | Bogus8: i dont know to be exact, but i think yes. |
| 04:39.28 | Bogus8 | liable: I'm going through it... here is one which shouldn't do it but fuck I'm at a lost... "Mail name" I put cox.net because I want it to look like it's coming from my isp (and it's possible my isp will want that for validation that I'm not spamming) |
| 04:40.02 | liable | Bogus8: no, your isp knows because it comes from one of their ip's |
| 04:40.11 | Bogus8 | liable: but I could still be spamming |
| 04:40.46 | Bogus8 | liable: either way that's not where DSN success reports toggling would come from :) |
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| 04:44.48 | xaque | What is the prefered way to manage wireless on debian? |
| 04:45.12 | xaque | I am using the atheros driver and it is not behaving as though I think it should. |
| 04:46.00 | amirnepals | which is the best bandwidth manager for debian> |
| 04:46.01 | amirnepals | ? |
| 04:46.08 | geo-rge | xaque: then your question should really be asking about the driver, giving exact versions of everything relevent, describing the behavior you are experiencing and describing the behavior you expect |
| 04:46.24 | liable | xaque: then using the backend cli tools is the best way to minimise chances of something else causing problems |
| 04:46.25 | geo-rge | amirnepals: the one you like the most |
| 04:46.38 | amirnepals | geo-rge, which is that> |
| 04:46.45 | amirnepals | could u suggest me any |
| 04:46.48 | amirnepals | ? |
| 04:46.58 | geo-rge | which ones have you tried? |
| 04:47.21 | amirnepals | i have used based on hardware |
| 04:47.32 | amirnepals | now i need software one in debian |
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| 04:47.54 | geo-rge | which one of those have you tried? |
| 04:48.24 | amirnepals | etnic box |
| 04:49.09 | xaque | the issue is this: I believe that I have setup the interfaces file and the wpa supplicant conf file correctly, er using the madwifi driver instructions on their website anyway. I am not able to connect to an unencrypted wireless. At home everything works fine and I have my network specified in the wpa_supplicant.conf file, but any unsecured public access points are impossible to connect to. |
| 04:49.12 | geo-rge | and is there a problem with using that now/here/for this? |
| 04:50.44 | xaque | after running dhclient and trying several different wireless cards( all of them atheros) I was unable to get an ip. Then I did for x in `pgrep dhc`; do kill $x;done and killed all wpa processes. Then I did iwconfig to the network to get association and then do dhclient on the interface and everything is cool |
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| 04:51.03 | amirnepals | no |
| 04:51.22 | geo-rge | ok, is that the hardware solution? |
| 04:51.31 | xaque | So perhaps it is just the wpasupplicant file that is not operating correctly for unsecure networksl. Is there something else I need to be doing? Perhaps wpasuplucant is not what I shoudl be using? |
| 04:51.34 | geo-rge | or one of the software ones? |
| 04:51.47 | xaque | Any thouhgts on the subject would be appreciated. |
| 04:51.52 | liable | xaque: does it work if you dont use ifup and just use ifconfig and iwconfig to set the card up? |
| 04:52.18 | xaque | liable: seems to. That is how I got the connection I am on anyway. |
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| 04:52.39 | liable | xaque: so then its likely your wpasupp conf thats broken |
| 04:52.52 | amirnepals | its hardware based on software |
| 04:52.54 | xaque | liable: I would like this to be automatic though. I want the connect to prefered connections if available and then anything else that is available and it does not seem to work. |
| 04:53.00 | liable | xaque: paste it and your ifaces file |
| 04:53.09 | amirnepals | geo-rge, could you suggest any one instead of asking this? |
| 04:53.21 | xaque | liable: 1 sec.. |
| 04:53.35 | geo-rge | amirnepals: you said "best" and I have no idea what's best for you |
| 04:53.47 | liable | xaque: or first, just ifconfig up the iface, and run wpasupp from cli with -dd option |
| 04:53.48 | amirnepals | so say others not best |
| 04:53.53 | amirnepals | the one you are using or knows |
| 04:54.07 | geo-rge | !best |
| 04:54.07 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 04:54.31 | geo-rge | "You can leave your hat on"... |
| 04:56.05 | amirnepals | friends, i want to know the name of bandwidth manager used in debian |
| 04:56.10 | amirnepals | can anyone suggest some |
| 04:56.16 | xaque | http://pastebin.ca/678641 < wireless problem |
| 04:57.28 | xaque | liable: with interfaces http://pastebin.ca/678642 |
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| 04:57.45 | liable | xaque: read the wpa docs and see how they do it. it says ssid="" |
| 04:57.56 | xaque | Are those the only files that would matter when using wpa? wpa_supplicant.conf and the interfaces? |
| 04:58.00 | liable | xaque: run wpa_sup from the command line and see what it says |
| 04:58.21 | liable | xaque: also the -999 is a bit over the top for setting priority |
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| 04:59.16 | geo-rge | there's a kernel module I've forgotten the name of |
| 04:59.20 | liable | i'm nor sure if minus numbers are even valid |
| 04:59.38 | xaque | liable: are the aforementioned files that only files that would come into play here though? |
| 04:59.58 | xaque | liable: thats what I have seen floating around on the madwifi website I believe |
| 05:00.36 | liable | xaque: nope, you should have an entry in interfaces as well |
| 05:00.36 | liable | xaque: iface default inet dhcp |
| 05:00.39 | xaque | liable: so interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf, yes? |
| 05:00.43 | liable | yes |
| 05:01.15 | liable | xaque: its all fairly well explained in the doc section for wpasupp |
| 05:01.41 | geo-rge | amirnepals: there is a kernel module called shaper (short for traffic shaper) |
| 05:01.52 | xaque | liable: alright, I will do some more reading. There are like a hundred ways it seem to configure this. I just want it to be transparant when the machine starts. |
| 05:02.17 | xaque | liable: I think I will start http://wiki.debian.org/WPA unless you have a better suggestion |
| 05:02.31 | liable | xaque: running wpa_supp from the command line untill it works is a good start |
| 05:02.45 | amirnepals | ok |
| 05:02.47 | liable | xaque: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant |
| 05:03.22 | geo-rge | you can only control what packets go out. |
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| 05:03.40 | geo-rge | you can only control the rate at which packets go out. |
| 05:04.34 | amirnepals | ok |
| 05:05.00 | amirnepals | so how to define bandwidth for that |
| 05:05.01 | amirnepals | ? |
| 05:05.28 | geo-rge | oh -sheesh- you can't read and see for yourself before asking |
| 05:05.30 | geo-rge | ? |
| 05:06.25 | xaque | liable: thanks |
| 05:06.33 | liable | np |
| 05:06.59 | runev | Is there anyway i can sort home directories under sub directories, one for each character in the alphabeth, something like /home/j/johndoe and /home/a/arnold? Instead of just /home/arnold |
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| 05:07.34 | geo-rge | amirnepals: the truth is you might find someone here willing to do that... but also true is we don't have to read to you :P |
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| 05:08.00 | geo-rge | besides |
| 05:08.31 | xaque | is wpasupplicant the future of wireless on linux? |
| 05:08.46 | xaque | as in, under heavy development? |
| 05:08.57 | geo-rge | if you do some reading (and THINKING and TRYING) then you gain a little knowledge and perhaps you then pose questions based on what you just found out |
| 05:09.03 | liable | xaque: it is required for wpa, and yes its being actively developed |
| 05:09.12 | geo-rge | THIS IS THE PATH TO GURUHOOD |
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| 05:09.34 | tcsetattr | runev, you can specify home directory when creating users, see the man page for useradd or adduser |
| 05:09.47 | liable | xaque: it works very well once you get your conf file sorted out :) |
| 05:09.53 | xaque | coll |
| 05:09.58 | geo-rge | and before you say "but I don wanna be a guru" know that my reply will be "not my problem" :) |
| 05:09.59 | xaque | er... =] |
| 05:10.09 | xaque | geo-rge: dood! |
| 05:11.05 | geo-rge | so, and I mean this in the most sincere, helpful way possible: get off your ass and try something :P |
| 05:11.21 | xaque | Haha |
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| 05:11.42 | xaque | geo-rge: either that or go run fedora =] |
| 05:12.08 | geo-rge | he'll run into something there too, where that whole sequence will be exactly the same |
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| 05:12.22 | geo-rge | if he goes to windows or macos... same thing... |
| 05:13.04 | linux_jones | what is fglrx? |
| 05:13.18 | geo-rge | firegl driver for ati |
| 05:13.21 | xaque | geo-rge: perhaps I will try to follow a conversation from the beginning before interjecting my retorhic |
| 05:13.37 | geo-rge | it's perfectly ok :) |
| 05:14.05 | geo-rge | I don't want to chase the guy away, far from it |
| 05:14.08 | geo-rge | because |
| 05:14.23 | geo-rge | if he listens to this, he could actually become skilled and useful |
| 05:14.51 | geo-rge | the very fact he wants to do something like this is encouraging |
| 05:15.04 | xaque | the geo-rge nation builds and army of debinites to overthrow the world! Arhg! |
| 05:15.05 | linux_jones | can i apt-get install that? |
| 05:15.49 | geo-rge | but again, he can pick any dist he wants and among all he does or tries to do, might come upon a challenge |
| 05:16.15 | geo-rge | I'm just saying that the first response to that challenge is not "do it for me" |
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| 05:16.39 | geo-rge | dpkg -i that |
| 05:16.40 | xaque | Debian is one of the leaders, imho, and I think I am not alone, considering the #room |
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| 05:17.20 | geo-rge | agreed, but there is still choice |
| 05:17.30 | xaque | geo-rge: if you must =] |
| 05:18.02 | geo-rge | and unless you want to become IT grunt to the everyone, you should let them have their choice |
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| 05:18.25 | simonrvn | !room |
| 05:18.25 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:18.49 | xaque | !bot! |
| 05:18.49 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 05:19.14 | lch_ | I was wondering, I have a DSL router and I forgot the password for my account, although it is saved in the router... so I was thinking about using a PPPoE server and log the connection attempt to retrieve the password... would that be a viable solution, or would it fail because the password isn't transmitted in cleartext? Is it transmitted as MD5 hash? |
| 05:19.21 | geo-rge | !choom |
| 05:19.21 | dpkg | RANNEL! |
| 05:19.31 | liable | hehe |
| 05:19.42 | simonrvn | !factinfo choom |
| 05:19.42 | dpkg | choom -- created by geo-rge <n=george@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net> 36s ago; it has been requested once, last by geo-rge, 21s ago. |
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| 05:19.49 | simonrvn | thought so ;) |
| 05:20.19 | geo-rge | simonrvn: what, did you actually think dpkg was becoming sentient? :) |
| 05:20.25 | xaque | lch_: I think that depends on your ISP, your *modem* and other things. |
| 05:20.45 | simonrvn | geo-rge: not in the least |
| 05:21.16 | lch_ | xaque, I want to have a *server*, not client... so I should be able to determine the settings, if there are any options |
| 05:21.24 | geo-rge | that took me a long time to type |
| 05:21.35 | simonrvn | sure it did |
| 05:21.35 | lch_ | the dsl router will have to follow in the handshaking process |
| 05:22.05 | simonrvn | !literal choom |
| 05:22.05 | dpkg | "choom" is "<reply> RANNEL!" |
| 05:22.25 | xaque | lch_: I see, why not log into the router and crack the password |
| 05:22.32 | tcsetattr | lch_, there are some PPP authentication methods that send unencrypted passwords, and some that don't. if the client is configured to go along with whatever method the server offers, then you could use a server that offers PAP and get the password that way. |
| 05:22.37 | geo-rge | about 20 secs |
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| 05:22.41 | xaque | lch_: what sort of modem is this? |
| 05:22.55 | geo-rge | would have had a better effect if it were already defined |
| 05:23.01 | xaque | lch_: there is a good chance that it runs busybox and has telnet enabled |
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| 05:23.06 | geo-rge | or if I could get it in 5 secs |
| 05:23.08 | mot | so i upgraded my kernel and now my system hangs on boot at the point where it says "waiting for root filesystem" |
| 05:23.14 | mot | any suggestions? |
| 05:23.17 | simonrvn | geo-rge: naw it's ok |
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| 05:23.27 | mot | i've checked /boot/grub/menu.lst and everything *looks* fine |
| 05:23.27 | xaque | mot: root= |
| 05:23.37 | mot | root=/dev/sda1 |
| 05:23.47 | geo-rge | what is sda? |
| 05:23.49 | lch_ | xaque, I can't get the password from the router unless I use its dump, and that one has it encoded somehow |
| 05:23.54 | simonrvn | mot: yup, so is mine; seems like mine doesn't load dm_mod (i have lvm /) |
| 05:24.09 | mot | geo-rge? |
| 05:24.15 | simonrvn | but i'm eduguessing |
| 05:24.15 | xaque | mot: what partition is sda1? |
| 05:24.17 | lch_ | tcsetattr, thanks, sounds good |
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| 05:24.36 | mot | my linux partition |
| 05:24.52 | geo-rge | you say root=/dev/sda1... so I ask you what is sda (i.e., the whole drive) |
| 05:24.56 | xaque | mot: dood, which? /boot / /usr ? |
| 05:25.08 | simonrvn | i should check lsmod next time i try to boot the thing (it's a debian kernel...) |
| 05:25.09 | lch_ | http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/understanding_ppp_chap.html makes it look like an MD5 hash is used always |
| 05:25.16 | mot | i believe it's / |
| 05:25.17 | simonrvn | *my* kernel works... |
| 05:25.31 | mot | gparted says "/, /dev/.static/dev" |
| 05:25.34 | tcsetattr | yeah, that's CHAP. CHAP is only one possibly authentication method. the plaintext password one is called PAP. |
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| 05:25.54 | tcsetattr | if you want to steal client passwords, you'll configure your server to offer PAP only, and hope the client cooperates. |
| 05:25.54 | geo-rge | how does sda connect to your computer? |
| 05:26.05 | mot | well i'm actually running it on a vmware host |
| 05:26.09 | mot | but it's a SATA drive |
| 05:26.11 | xaque | what is gparted? |
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| 05:26.21 | mot | gnome partition editor? |
| 05:26.25 | xaque | oh |
| 05:26.27 | simonrvn | gtk frontend to parted |
| 05:26.31 | mot | yea... |
| 05:26.38 | xaque | fdisk anyone? |
| 05:26.46 | mot | fdisk gives the same info. |
| 05:26.50 | geo-rge | mot: I have a 250g sata, which is in a usb2 enclosure.... yours? |
| 05:26.54 | simonrvn | though i think you're right, it's built with gnome libs... |
| 05:27.11 | lch_ | tcsetattr, ok |
| 05:27.24 | geo-rge | is the 16 partition per drive limit been dealt with yet, for scsi subsystem? |
| 05:27.41 | mot | i have a 500gb sata which is in a sun rackmount server we use for development/testing. |
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| 05:27.49 | simonrvn | has stuff like libgtkmm++ and such, in section gnome |
| 05:27.56 | xaque | geo-rge: you have to take into account that the device order may be different if the system is already booted. You may want to try to boot the os from the grub command at boot time |
| 05:27.58 | mot | are you trying to help me or are you just asking me questions? |
| 05:28.03 | xaque | er mot |
| 05:28.09 | xaque | ^^ |
| 05:28.25 | mot | hmm |
| 05:28.29 | xaque | mot: are are trying to figure out what the hell it is that you are trying to do so that we can help you |
| 05:28.49 | mot | my system won't boot. on boot i get "waiting for root filesystem" |
| 05:28.54 | geo-rge | xaque: hmm... I had a bad result with booting with different boot orders... something overwrote my external drive's partition table for me |
| 05:28.56 | mot | this happened after upgrading my kernel |
| 05:29.11 | mot | i'm assuming it has to do with the way grub is setup, as in, something is wrong in the /dev/sdX naming conventions somehow. |
| 05:29.30 | xaque | geo-rge: that was meant for mot, sorry |
| 05:29.34 | mot | what's the easiest way to get grub to re-install itself? |
| 05:29.53 | xaque | mot: perhaps you were using something along the lines of an initrd for the usb aspect? |
| 05:30.03 | liable | does the old kernel still boot? |
| 05:30.09 | geo-rge | xaque: but for your info... here's the story... |
| 05:30.18 | mot | my drive isn't usb. |
| 05:30.20 | xaque | mot: grub-install /dev/sda, but that is not the issue |
| 05:30.23 | mot | it's sata |
| 05:30.34 | mot | well, then what is the issue? 'cause i'm mostly stumped |
| 05:30.41 | geo-rge | I have a laptop with I think 20g, running winxp oro |
| 05:30.45 | geo-rge | pro |
| 05:30.57 | xaque | mot: you have an external drive that I am assuming you plug into a working system and you get sda1 as the device number, correct? |
| 05:31.16 | geo-rge | so I decided what if I could have a demo machine that runs linux and have several demos |
| 05:31.28 | mot | no |
| 05:31.32 | mot | i don't have an external drive |
| 05:31.35 | geo-rge | so I got a 250g sata and a sata => usb enclosure |
| 05:31.36 | mot | it is SATA, not usb |
| 05:31.55 | mot | i'm running a rackmount server. there's no usb drive involved. |
| 05:32.03 | xaque | mot: when you tell your bios to boot the detected usb device, grub boots and looks for the device on which / exists. It is prob looking for sda, which has not been detected yet |
| 05:32.12 | geo-rge | (both of those are scsi subsystem) |
| 05:32.14 | xaque | mot: I thought you said it was usb |
| 05:32.26 | geo-rge | no, I said usb :) |
| 05:32.51 | mot | *sigh* i'll figure it out myself |
| 05:33.08 | xaque | mot good luck |
| 05:33.13 | geo-rge | anyway I install linux on the external, no problem, and I don't want to alter the internal laptop drive so |
| 05:33.24 | geo-rge | I install grub on the external |
| 05:33.25 | xaque | mot: custom kernel? |
| 05:33.33 | geo-rge | again, no problem... it booted |
| 05:33.40 | mot | no |
| 05:34.30 | xaque | mot: can you boot old kernels? Do boy bacup your /boot partition? |
| 05:34.33 | geo-rge | the problem came when I was booting between the two, eventually a glitch happened and it decided to overwrite my partition table probably with the one from the internal |
| 05:34.59 | xaque | mot_: any custom configs that you do to menu.lst go right out the window when you upgrade your kernel; with debian. |
| 05:35.17 | mot | i didn't customize my menu.lst |
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| 05:35.35 | xaque | geo-rge: meh, windows was in teh mix. Not sure what would cause that though. What kind of bios? |
| 05:35.47 | lch_ | okay, somebody gimme a nice KDE tray applet that displays info about my laptop battery... I know I had a nice one before, but forgot the name |
| 05:36.08 | xaque | lch_: kpowersave |
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| 05:36.40 | lch_ | I guess that was it, yeah |
| 05:36.41 | lch_ | thanks |
| 05:36.56 | xaque | lch_: I think that the only one left in avtive development, afaik |
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| 05:40.32 | geo-rge | umm I dunno... it' |
| 05:40.40 | geo-rge | is a dell inspiron 5150 |
| 05:40.52 | xaque | I thought it might be dell, hmm, thats strange |
| 05:41.11 | geo-rge | I just don't use it for demos anymore |
| 05:41.27 | geo-rge | can you plug sata drives into a laptop directly? |
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| 05:42.11 | geo-rge | I saw a 4-drive bay that's about the size of a laptop |
| 05:42.23 | geo-rge | I |
| 05:42.27 | geo-rge | m like mmmmmmmm |
| 05:42.28 | xaque | geo-rge: I have seen pcmcia cards for sata on newegg |
| 05:43.00 | geo-rge | that strikes me as too physically brittle |
| 05:43.25 | geo-rge | I don't like stuff sticking out of the laptop when I can help it :) |
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| 05:43.50 | xaque | geo-rge: check it out before you judge, I think there are some that do not stick out at all |
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| 05:44.27 | xaque | geo-rge: but I agree, I am always afraid that my wireless will snap off and fling itself across the roomr =| |
| 05:45.17 | geo-rge | yeah, and carrying it in the laptop case is scary for similar reasons |
| 05:46.22 | xaque | I have found my own solution for that, but I see your point |
| 05:46.33 | ameyer | you could always disconnect it for transportation purposes |
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| 05:47.13 | geo-rge | any extra breakout-box that have multiple microphone preamp inputs (like 8 or even 16)? |
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| 05:48.00 | geo-rge | ameyer: I forget these things... hence the card I bought that does 80211b, I never used |
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| 05:49.11 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.15 | liable | tldp is a good start |
| 05:50.32 | geo-rge | xjkx: what do you want to know? |
| 05:50.50 | [gtime]silent | does anyone here have experience with samba/swat and port forwarding |
| 05:50.51 | [gtime]silent | ? |
| 05:51.51 | xaque | geo-rge: there is a nice site up called "linux home networking howtos" or someting like that. It helped some when I was getting started. |
| 05:52.17 | xaque | [gtime]silent: you are going to run samba accross the internet? |
| 05:52.27 | khronos | Bad idea. |
| 05:52.35 | xaque | agreed |
| 05:53.04 | xaque | [gtime]silent: use http, https, scp, ftp, openven and nfs, something other than smbfs accross the internet |
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| 05:53.16 | xaque | sneakernet is better than samba accross the internet |
| 05:53.20 | xaque | =] |
| 05:53.24 | khronos | Also he may want too, but most times his isp on either side of the connection will block the incoming ports so no matter what he does he may not be able to do it like he wants too anywyas. |
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| 05:53.39 | xaque | true statement |
| 05:53.46 | geo-rge | not so much ftp or nfs tho, annoying |
| 05:54.17 | khronos | Use something like Openvpn or another vpn type program and pass the Samba traffic over that and then you'll be ok. |
| 05:54.38 | geo-rge | ftp being annoying and insecure, nfs being at the very least annoying |
| 05:54.41 | xaque | liable: for the interfaces file and this wpa that I am trying to setup, do I need to specify anything more than wpa-driver for the interface? I should be able to leave the rest up to the wpasupp config right? |
| 05:55.01 | xaque | sftp is nice if you don't have to use windows clients |
| 05:55.11 | liable | xaque: and wpa-roam |
| 05:55.36 | liable | wpa-roam /etc/wpasupplicane.conf |
| 05:55.39 | khronos | One thing to watch out for when doing this is you'll need to use some type of wins server on each side of the connection or at least one side anyway so that clients on either side of the lan can do lookups for clients on the other lan if your wanting to do client to client talks. |
| 05:55.40 | liable | t |
| 05:59.27 | xaque | liable: hmm, I was going with option 1: managed, but is roamimg better? |
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| 05:59.27 | liable | xaque: roaming lets supplicant do the work for you |
| 05:59.27 | xaque | liable: is that what you use? |
| 05:59.27 | liable | yes |
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| 05:59.28 | xaque | liable: thanks |
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| 06:00.10 | xjkx | geo-rge: i like reading the basics |
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| 06:00.39 | geo-rge | xjkx: ok, good :) so nothing specific? |
| 06:00.58 | xjkx | no, at least not from now :) |
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| 06:01.28 | geo-rge | is there something you want to do that you presently don't know how to? |
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| 06:02.29 | xjkx | yes, share a printer with windows 98 |
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| 06:03.05 | geo-rge | there's a printing howto and a printing usage howto |
| 06:03.24 | geo-rge | these docs might help with the win98 thing |
| 06:03.42 | xjkx | win98 doesnt support ipp, i will have to do by samba if i am not mistaken |
| 06:04.58 | xaque | liable: well, I restarted networking and I am still connected, so I think it worked. I think all I was missing after all the reading, was the wpa-roam statement. Thanks for the help |
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| 06:05.27 | liable | xaque: do an ifconfig ath0 down and ifdown to be sure, then restart |
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| 06:16.19 | xaque | liable: alright, I rebooted the machine and everything worked except it did not automatically get an ip from dhcp as I would like it to. In which file would I look for the problem? |
| 06:16.37 | liable | xaque: that option is in interfaces |
| 06:16.48 | liable | default inet dhcp |
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| 06:17.02 | liable | iface default inet dhcp |
| 06:17.16 | xaque | liable: is that just a general for all interfaces line option? |
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| 06:17.48 | liable | xaque: thats for all networks that you havent explicetly set an ssid and id_string in supplicant conf file |
| 06:18.02 | xaque | liable: I see. |
| 06:18.10 | xaque | Thanks again. |
| 06:18.29 | liable | np |
| 06:18.48 | xaque | One more reboot and I am off to bed... |
| 06:18.58 | [gtime]silent | hey, I'm trying to access my samba server through the net, via port forwarding. I forwarded 445 and 139, and I can see the shares I set up, however, I cant list the files in the shares. they appear as empty. They are not |
| 06:20.56 | blubberdiblub | can anyone provide a pointer on how to start the netinst cd on an sgi O2? i already tried "Install System Software/Local CD-ROM" which results in "Installation tools not found", and i tried the command monitor, where the only file i can find is dksc(0,4,8)r4k-ip22, which refuses to boot like that: http://pastebin.ca/678678 |
| 06:21.19 | jelly-home | Hi. My i386 debian testing system with udev, custom kernel doesn't automatically load modules when a cardbus card is inserted. |
| 06:22.05 | liable | jelly-home: dmesg mention anything? |
| 06:22.15 | liable | jelly-home: does it show in lspci? |
| 06:22.20 | jelly-home | liable: yes, and yes |
| 06:22.34 | jelly-home | liable: I can modprobe manually and it works. |
| 06:22.58 | liable | what does dmesg say? nothing obvious i take it |
| 06:23.13 | liable | jelly-home: what card is it? |
| 06:23.15 | jelly-home | liable: pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0 :-) |
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| 06:23.59 | jelly-home | liable: it's a tv card, 1131:7133, using saa7134 driver |
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| 06:24.41 | liable | jelly-home: ah, just check your blacklist file. |
| 06:25.08 | jelly-home | oh bugger |
| 06:25.34 | jelly-home | liable: thanks, the module is present there |
| 06:25.38 | liable | :) |
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| 06:27.41 | Tidus | !ops |
| 06:27.41 | dpkg | hmm... ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:27.51 | numist | mm? |
| 06:28.05 | Tidus | OoooYah is spamming the crap out of multiple channels at once |
| 06:28.07 | numist | yeah |
| 06:28.12 | numist | sorry, I wasnt lookint at joins |
| 06:28.15 | OoooYah | not at 1 time |
| 06:28.17 | OoooYah | just 1 channel |
| 06:28.19 | OoooYah | im done now xD |
| 06:28.25 | OoooYah | i feel better |
| 06:28.33 | OoooYah | actually 5 channels |
| 06:28.34 | numist | OoooYah: well I don't. I'm watching you. |
| 06:28.35 | OoooYah | and not at 1 time |
| 06:28.36 | Tidus | good way to get klined from the network |
| 06:28.47 | OoooYah | WTF IS KLINED |
| 06:28.52 | Tidus | banned from freenode |
| 06:28.57 | numist | man that's tempting |
| 06:28.59 | OoooYah | That sounds cool |
| 06:29.00 | OoooYah | DO IT |
| 06:29.09 | liable | ... |
| 06:29.14 | OoooYah | wait |
| 06:29.19 | OoooYah | do i get some kind of cool message |
| 06:29.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:29.30 | OoooYah | does my name go in klined history |
| 06:29.35 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:29.37 | \amethyst | BTW, has anyone seen "K"-Line shipping containers? |
| 06:29.43 | numist | oh good, simonrvn's around |
| 06:29.48 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:29.51 | numist | \amethyst: yeah, I always get a chuckle |
| 06:29.52 | Tidus | OoooYah: no it dont... just simply a 'piss off and goodbye' |
| 06:30.02 | \amethyst | numist: Also "TECO" :) |
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| 06:30.14 | OoooYah | say pissoff again |
| 06:30.17 | OoooYah | and watch wat happenes |
| 06:30.19 | OoooYah | ! |
| 06:30.35 | OoooYah | thats what i though |
| 06:30.37 | OoooYah | t |
| 06:30.38 | numist | \amethyst: maybe I'm dense, but I don't get that one |
| 06:30.39 | OoooYah | ! |
| 06:30.43 | numist | simonrvn: may I? please? |
| 06:30.47 | \amethyst | numist: an old text editor |
| 06:31.04 | liable | OoooYah: do you have any actuall debian related things to say? |
| 06:31.10 | numist | I never used it.. vim is about as old as I am, so I usually use it |
| 06:31.11 | geo-rge | numist: he's likely stolen the account and is trying to get the site banned |
| 06:31.14 | OoooYah | Nope |
| 06:31.15 | simonrvn | numist: got my privmsg? |
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| 06:31.22 | OoooYah | I dun even know what devian is |
| 06:31.25 | OoooYah | SO |
| 06:31.32 | Tidus | then leave |
| 06:31.34 | OoooYah | here we gooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 06:31.37 | OoooYah | The cusswords as following |
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| 06:31.38 | OoooYah | Fuck |
| 06:31.40 | OoooYah | Shit |
| 06:31.41 | liable | !ops OoooYah troll |
| 06:31.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o numist] by ChanServ |
| 06:31.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: OoooYah troll |
| 06:31.42 | OoooYah | Bitch |
| 06:31.42 | geo-rge | OoooYah: http://www.debian.org |
| 06:31.43 | OoooYah | Cunt |
| 06:31.44 | *** kick/#debian [OoooYah!n=scott@freenode/staff/scott] by numist (don't come back) |
| 06:31.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-75-0-2-134.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] by numist |
| 06:31.58 | simonrvn | weeee |
| 06:32.01 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 06:32.05 | numist | well that settles that... |
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| 06:32.27 | geo-rge | the cus words by themselves aren't ban offences tho, or are they now? |
| 06:32.36 | simonrvn | not here |
| 06:32.41 | liable | no |
| 06:32.47 | simonrvn | unless they're hate speech or something |
| 06:32.49 | liable | but trolling is |
| 06:32.50 | Tidus | no, but spamming like that / trolling is |
| 06:32.52 | geo-rge | it's just the fact he was trying to bother someone |
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| 06:33.03 | numist | sorry, I'm not actually an op here, I can let him back in if you think that's better |
| 06:33.06 | peterS | clearly he had no intention of doing anything other than disrupt our channel |
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| 06:33.17 | peterS | no, numist, if you hadn't done it, I would have |
| 06:33.19 | liable | numist: nope, he needed that :) |
| 06:33.29 | numist | peterS: oh good, an op. all yours then :) |
| 06:33.47 | geo-rge | numist: I have no opinion -except- /ignore might have been more psychologically effective |
| 06:34.10 | numist | hard to implement on a wide scale though... too frequently other folks, intentional or not, fuel the fire |
| 06:34.15 | peterS | geo-rge: but the thing about ignore, if N-1 people do it, the last 1 person can still make the troll's efforts worthwhile |
| 06:34.19 | marbe800 | As I'm a user of Kubunut, I wanted to check out it's roots, i.e Debian, however as I was to download a copy for myself, I found 22 discs! That's a bit of overkill for my bandwidth, so do I really need them all to install Debian ? |
| 06:34.27 | marbe800 | oops thats Kubuntu... |
| 06:34.39 | \amethyst | marbe800: Are you going to have internet access when you install? |
| 06:34.48 | geo-rge | kubunut! |
| 06:34.52 | peterS | marbe800: no, a single 'netinst' CD is enough, if you have Internet access where you can download stuff during the install |
| 06:34.54 | geo-rge | I like it! |
| 06:35.00 | numist | peterS: if you want, you can remove the ban ( *!*@adsl-75-0-2-134.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net ), as he's klined now |
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| 06:35.15 | peterS | numist: right, thanks |
| 06:35.16 | marbe800 | \amethyst: I will, however don't really want to do the netinstall, as I'm low on bandwidth (and I have 3 laptops to install to). |
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| 06:35.27 | geo-rge | numist: multichannel? |
| 06:35.30 | \amethyst | marbe800: the most popular software is on the earlier CDs |
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| 06:35.30 | numist | geo-rge: oh yeah |
| 06:35.33 | muep | marbe800: you don't need all the disks, two cds are enough in many cases |
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| 06:35.34 | marbe800 | geo-rge: Don't you go taking my word now ! :) |
| 06:35.37 | numist | geo-rge: this was his last channel |
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| 06:35.59 | geo-rge | marbe800: ok... fine... I don't believe you! |
| 06:36.04 | geo-rge | happy? :) |
| 06:36.33 | marbe800 | Am I to understand that I actually only need cd 1 to be able to install the basics ? |
| 06:36.39 | muep | yes |
| 06:36.43 | marbe800 | geo-rge: Never happy, just average ;) |
| 06:36.46 | geo-rge | marbe800: not even that |
| 06:36.59 | simonrvn | marbe800: you can install with 3 floppies |
| 06:37.01 | geo-rge | a coupla floppies is sometimes enough |
| 06:37.06 | peterS | marbe800: correct. as you install other non-essential software, it downloads whatever isn't on the CDs you have. so if you have 1 CD, or 2, that means most things won't need to be downloaded when you want them |
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| 06:37.19 | marbe800 | Nice, I like it. |
| 06:37.32 | rizza | does anyone use syslinux in here |
| 06:37.35 | marbe800 | So any kaveats I should know of going from Kubuntu to Debian ? |
| 06:37.43 | peterS | marbe800: basically, as someone else already said, the popular software is on the first CDs, so just downloading 1 or 2 means that most things you'd want to install don't need to be downloaded separately |
| 06:38.01 | geo-rge | but for that to work you need a working net connection that's also supported by a driver on the net drivers floppy |
| 06:38.31 | marbe800 | Fantastic, I very often find that distros install all kind of things I don't like. So using only 1 cd to get the essentials would be ideal for me. |
| 06:38.40 | simonrvn | marbe800: only that debian doesn't hand you things on a silver plate, just a nice, solid, well-glazed, pottery one |
| 06:38.45 | peterS | marbe800: I don't know any caveats ... except that as kubuntu is based on ubuntu, it may include some hardware drivers that Debian does not include (as the drivers are not free software) so depending on what video and network hardware you have, kubuntu might support it better than debian does |
| 06:38.57 | geo-rge | netinstall cd is about 150mb and has the whole installer and the "base system" of debian |
| 06:38.58 | muep | marbe800: the software in etch is a little older than in kubuntu, it may be a drawback to some |
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| 06:39.30 | rizza | learn etch then upgrade to unstable/lenny |
| 06:39.33 | geo-rge | older stuff works fine tho |
| 06:39.37 | geo-rge | usually |
| 06:39.53 | Tommy | hi all, can someone tell me how to install the game "battle tanks" from source? |
| 06:40.11 | muep | I run etch as it is mostly enough for me |
| 06:40.19 | geo-rge | if you're doing some kinda mission critical thingy, consider stable |
| 06:40.43 | geo-rge | !info aolserver |
| 06:40.52 | marbe800 | Ok, I get it. So the netinstall cd is all I need to get an up and running distro. And drivers might be missing (but I could still wrap stuff right?). For instance I use ndiswrapper for my broadcome wlan. |
| 06:41.15 | simonrvn | marbe800: yeh, it's there, in non-free (or contrib) |
| 06:41.21 | geo-rge | marbe800: that is many times the case, yet |
| 06:41.23 | geo-rge | yes |
| 06:41.25 | simonrvn | marbe800: ndiswrapper i mean |
| 06:41.27 | peterS | marbe800: well, the netinstall CD is a 150 MB image that doesn't have much software on it. sounds like you probably want the regular CD set, but just the first CD or two. That includes the same installer. |
| 06:42.03 | marbe800 | Cool, do I need some special cd to get KDE ? |
| 06:42.05 | rizza | you can apt-get ndiswrapper after you install the system |
| 06:42.17 | peterS | rizza: not if your network chip requires it in order to work.... |
| 06:42.18 | simonrvn | marbe800: there's a kde cd yeh |
| 06:42.22 | rizza | you can apt-get kde as well |
| 06:42.39 | rizza | what chip are you using |
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| 06:42.48 | muep | isn't kde on the first two cds anyway? |
| 06:42.50 | marbe800 | Nice, I never got into Gnome, but that's just me. I love yakuake so much I dream of it at night, and I can't seem to find a similar app in Gnome. |
| 06:43.03 | \amethyst | you can't just apt-get install ndiswrapper, you have to use module-assistant to build a kernel module |
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| 06:43.11 | marbe800 | muep: That would be great ! |
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| 06:43.22 | peterS | yeah I think most of the components of KDE are on CD 1 or CD 2. not that I've really checked, but it is popular enough to make it onto the first couple images |
| 06:43.30 | spheard | ur....how do I send spam? |
| 06:43.34 | Tommy | How can i go about trying to improve my debian etch boot time? any good guides on making it boot faster? |
| 06:43.35 | peterS | you ... don't? |
| 06:43.36 | marbe800 | \amethyst: I've always found building ndiswrapper from source being much more stabile. |
| 06:43.50 | muep | marbe800: the deskbar applet for gnome may roughly fit the need that yakuake addresses, but it's very much different |
| 06:43.53 | rizza | that is apt-getting it the source that is |
| 06:43.55 | peterS | spheard: if you mean the Hormel meat product, you could just use UPS or FedEx |
| 06:44.05 | spheard | I want to spam myself to test my mailservers |
| 06:44.18 | ameyer | marbe800: you could always use yakuake in gnome |
| 06:44.19 | marbe800 | muep: I just find it so helpfull having the console like that, especially when i |
| 06:44.24 | simonrvn | thought that might be the case =) |
| 06:44.25 | geo-rge | !info aolserver4 |
| 06:44.27 | dpkg | aolserver4: (AOL Web Server 4 (Program)), section web, is optional. Version: 4.5.0-10 (sid), Packaged size: 938 kB, Installed size: 1920 kB |
| 06:44.31 | marbe800 | muep: im using SSH |
| 06:44.36 | rizza | does anyone work with syslinux |
| 06:44.42 | spheard | the only way I can think of doing it is with telnet |
| 06:44.43 | marbe800 | ameyer: Well, it doesn't really have the same feel ;) |
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| 06:44.56 | geo-rge | !info aolserver4 etch |
| 06:44.57 | ameyer | peterS: also, he/she could always use the local equivalent to the USPS |
| 06:44.58 | \amethyst | marbe800: To compile the module in debian it's simply: apt-get install ndiswrapper-source; m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 06:45.00 | dpkg | aolserver4: (AOL Web Server 4 (Program)), section web, is optional. Version: 4.0.10-7 (etch), Packaged size: 773 kB, Installed size: 1623 kB |
| 06:45.15 | geo-rge | that's the one I want |
| 06:45.16 | muep | marbe800: then deskbar isn't of use... but of course you may use kde if you want, nothing wrong with it :) |
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| 06:45.19 | marbe800 | \amethyst: Ahh... but when do you specify the driver ? |
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| 06:45.33 | marbe800 | muep: Thanks, haha ;) |
| 06:45.36 | peterS | ameyer: it'd be kinda cool if I got as much Hormel spam delivered to my door as I get spam delivered to my email server. I could totally stock a food bank with that |
| 06:45.47 | \amethyst | marbe800: That's just to compile the module... I don't know about actually using it, no wireless here :) |
| 06:45.54 | ameyer | spheard: if you want spam, go to a pr0n site and give them your email address... |
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| 06:46.39 | spheard | ameyer: an element of control over the spam would |
| 06:46.48 | streuner_ | spheard: or subsribe to a ML |
| 06:46.56 | spheard | be nice. I want to test out greylisting |
| 06:47.05 | peterS | yeah, subscribe to linux-kernel and you get several hundred messages a day. would that be enough? |
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| 06:47.23 | peterS | well, I guess that wouldn't do much for greylisting, as every message comes from the same server |
| 06:47.27 | marbe800 | \amethyst: Ahh ! Well I'll stick to building from source :) So what are the thoughts about Murdock working on Indiana for Sun ? And is anyone plannig a switch ? |
| 06:47.28 | ameyer | that wouldn't be particularly spammy, would it? |
| 06:47.42 | \amethyst | marbe800: a switch? |
| 06:48.10 | peterS | marbe800: neither Murdock nor Sun have much to do with Debian, so. I mean, yeah, he founded the Debian project and named it after himself, but he hasn't actually been involved for many years |
| 06:48.11 | marbe800 | \amethyst: Well from Linux/Debian to Solaris/Indiana ? |
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| 06:48.37 | marbe800 | peterS: Aha... probably need to update my RSS feeds, seems there full of old news ! |
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| 06:48.45 | \amethyst | marbe800: I'm sure some people are, but not generally, no |
| 06:49.31 | peterS | marbe800: as for Solaris getting some features from the Linux world, that's all well and good, but I don't personally see much reason to care - the benefits of Solaris over Linux don't really seem worthwhile. Linux is a mature system that has worked very well for my needs for so many years, whatever Solaris has just doesn't seem worth the trouble |
| 06:51.01 | ameyer | hasn't solaris been around for a long time, though? |
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| 06:51.04 | peterS | marbe800: people point to solaris dtrace - I don't see myself needing that feature. they point to zfs - I already have filesystems and an LVM implementation that do what I need. a long time ago Solaris scaled to bigger boxes than Linux did, but nowadays Linux runs fine on 128-CPU monsters, which is a lot more than I'll ever afford |
| 06:51.52 | peterS | ameyer: kinda. SunOS has been around since the 1980s. But Solaris 2.0 is not really related to the old SunOS at all, and Linux actually predates Solaris 2.0 by a year or so, I believe. |
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| 06:52.19 | marbe800 | peterS: I tend to agree, I personally have no use of dtrace, and I'm happy with ext3 (although I haven't used ZFS). What's the scope on LVM ? |
| 06:52.25 | peterS | ameyer: at least, Solaris 2.2 was current in mid-1993, which was the first time I had a chance to use it, and Linux was usable by 1992 |
| 06:52.25 | marbe800 | scoop that is... sorry |
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| 06:52.33 | pipeline_ | peterS, ameyer : "SunOS" only exists so that uname output on Solaris makes sense to very old ./configure scripts. |
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| 06:52.42 | ameyer | I can't see myself needing more than 2 cores anytime soon... |
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| 06:53.09 | peterS | marbe800: I mention LVM because ZFS is essentially a filesystem with logical volume management features kind of built into it. I don't see this as a particular advantage, having LVM and the filesystem as two separate layers seems to work fine. |
| 06:53.39 | ameyer | I might have more than two, depending on how long it is before I build my next box, but I probably won't need that many |
| 06:53.55 | peterS | pipeline_: well, Solaris also had compatibility libraries so it could continue to run SunOS 4.x binaries. I don't know how well that actually worked. but the core of the OS was completely new - SVR4 based instead of 4.3BSD based. |
| 06:54.09 | pipeline_ | peterS: SunOS compatibility didn't exist until Solaris 7 |
| 06:54.13 | spheard | how long does it take for greylisting to add an address? |
| 06:54.17 | K`zan | How do I make an initrd.img - seems the kernel I built doesn't see the SATA drives :-(. Copied the grub section for the old kernel and just changed the kernel name... |
| 06:54.24 | spheard | in the standard install |
| 06:54.25 | peterS | ameyer: 4 cores seems reasonable, if you get a dual-processor machine with dual-core processors. but more than 4 CPUs is still going to be awfully pricey for a long time |
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| 06:54.28 | pipeline_ | peterS: source compat only came about because Sun was quite determined. |
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| 06:54.41 | marbe800 | peterS: Thanks, appreciate your time and thoughts. |
| 06:54.45 | K`zan | rats - problem - bbiaf |
| 06:54.48 | ameyer | well, I'd go low-end, we're talking a desktop here |
| 06:54.49 | spheard | 4 core AMD's are sexy |
| 06:54.58 | xingu | peterS: what the zfs layering shakeup/ violation does do though is give you variable block sizes as well as online restriping (if the dimensions of the underlying lv change) |
| 06:55.00 | peterS | K`zan: the usual way to generate an initrd image is to run 'dpkg-reconfigure' on the kernel image package you've built |
| 06:55.14 | ameyer | peterS: does linux need multiple cores for desktop use these days? |
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| 06:55.26 | pipeline_ | ameyer: yes and no |
| 06:55.30 | ameyer | I say no, my p3-500 MHz lappy does well enough |
| 06:55.44 | xingu | peterS: the zfs io scheduler/ dispatcher is interesting too; we're finding in practice it does far smarter things than linux for the many readers/writers workload. |
| 06:55.46 | ameyer | it's somewhat slow, but it's usable |
| 06:55.47 | pipeline_ | ameyer: It's vastly more pleasant with multiple cores, but that applies to ALL smp-capable operating systems :) |
| 06:56.00 | peterS | ameyer: I don't see how _anyone_ needs multiple cores for desktop use. but hey, some of us do things on computers that actually can chew up significant CPU power, like software development that requires use of a compiler |
| 06:56.05 | pipeline_ | ameyer: I'd take 2x500 MHz over 1x1000 MHz :) |
| 06:56.10 | ameyer | peterS: Vista? |
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| 06:56.29 | peterS | ameyer: if vista needs multiple CPUs in order to not suck, then, well, it sucks |
| 06:56.48 | ameyer | You need 2 cores, one core is spying on the other core and phoning home |
| 06:56.59 | peterS | oh, right |
| 06:57.13 | peterS | which reminds me of the old IBM mainframe architectures |
| 06:57.20 | ameyer | peterS: I don't know if Vista needs 2 cores, it's just bloaty and user-unfriendly |
| 06:57.30 | ameyer | It hates the user |
| 06:57.35 | peterS | they actually had multiple CPUs redundantly executing the _same_ instruction stream, and checking each other's results, so as to be able to detect and route around CPU failure! |
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| 06:57.52 | ameyer | peterS: nice |
| 06:57.53 | peterS | this is why mainframe platforms talked about uptime in quarter-century units |
| 06:58.05 | peterS | like _everything_ was redundant and hot-swappable, even the CPUs |
| 06:58.09 | Tommy | which will load faster at boot up DHCP or having a static IP address? |
| 06:58.30 | peterS | Tommy: DHCP can take a couple seconds to get a reply, so a static address will always be slightly faster |
| 06:58.50 | xingu | ameyer: the m68k sun workstation's did exactly that; two cpu's in them (m68010), one running a step behind the other - so if the leading one traps, the current process context can be retrieved from the trailing one. |
| 06:58.52 | ameyer | peterS: except after 25 years, the computer'd be so freaking ancient you'd want a new one anyway |
| 06:59.02 | Tommy | peter5: how can i check what my ip address is, so i can switch to static ip |
| 06:59.22 | peterS | Tommy: if you have the 'iproute' package installed, the command is 'ip addr'. If not, try 'ifconfig' |
| 06:59.31 | ameyer | xingu: this is spying to make sure you don't do anything that the world's 2nd richest man doesn't like |
| 06:59.56 | ameyer | (apparently some mexican guy is now richer than Bill Gates) |
| 07:00.15 | peterS | see this is what NAFTA did to us |
| 07:01.20 | ameyer | I think he owns a company that operates a cellular network |
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| 07:01.31 | ameyer | I'm not sure I'd blame NAFTA |
| 07:01.47 | peterS | nor would I, I might have been slightly facetious there |
| 07:01.52 | simonrvn | nafta sucks anyway |
| 07:02.18 | peterS | anyway, I must enter an interruptible sleep state, let some other process have a time slice. 'night all |
| 07:02.33 | simonrvn | peterS: g'night |
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| 07:10.55 | blubberdiblub | ah, that's it.letting the O2 fetch a boot image over tftp from my debian _does_ work, but not with atftpd ... using tftpd-hpa works. looks like the sgi PROM is buggy in at least 3 ways :/ |
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| 07:13.05 | xingu | yes, that seems fair, judge a prom by its conformance to post-dated rfc's. |
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| 07:14.45 | K`zan | peterS: Thanks, but am unable to figure out what to run dpkg-reconfigure on :-/. Current source is: linux -> linux-source-2.6.18/ which was untarred from the linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 in /usr/src. Apologies for the ignorance here :-(. |
| 07:15.21 | blubberdiblub | flash PROM, i might add ;) |
| 07:15.53 | peterS | K`zan: the idea is to build your kernel using the 'make-kpkg' program from the 'kernel-package' package. it produces one or more .deb files which you can install. as part of the installation, an initrd image is generated if needed, and you can 'dpkg-reconfigure' the package if you ever need to regenerate it (because of bug fixes in auxilliary tools, say) |
| 07:16.51 | peterS | blubberdiblub: yeah, boot firmware implementations of tftp have been varied enough over the years, that is why we still have 3 tftp servers in Debian. they don't all work with all clients. |
| 07:18.05 | xingu | mostly because people keep "extending" the protocol |
| 07:18.07 | blubberdiblub | peterS: that's a pity. atftpd worked like a breeze for me in many environments... except with my SGI now :/ |
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| 07:18.37 | spheard | you send spam with swaks!!! |
| 07:18.45 | streuner_ | heh |
| 07:19.02 | spheard | well, pretend spam |
| 07:19.08 | xingu | if you lose the extentions, most things will work with strict rfc783 conformant code. |
| 07:19.25 | peterS | testing greylisting requires sending spam from lots of different places, though. swaks can't help you if you don't have lots of places to send spam from |
| 07:19.33 | K`zan | peterS: Ok, now I am really confused, in the past (before SATA) all I had to do was to build the new kernel and install it. Not sure where make-kpkg is going to find the source I used, but will give it a try. Thanks very much! |
| 07:19.45 | K`zan | dphys-kernel-package ?!? |
| 07:19.51 | xingu | the things which won't (ie, require extentions) are going to be a crap shoot |
| 07:20.09 | peterS | K`zan: even with sata, things will just work, without an initrd, if you include all the necessary drivers. that's probably a better strategy in general than trying to use an initrd |
| 07:20.58 | peterS | K`zan: but if you're a fan of the "build everything as kernel modules" strategy, such that you _will_ need an initrd, then using kernel-package sort of automates that part of things (and automates other things too) |
| 07:21.19 | K`zan | peterS: Agree, HATE initrd :-). Going to have to turn on experimental I guess for the ULI SATA drivers, that seems to be forcing a module. |
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| 07:21.46 | peterS | interesting, I thought ULI was using AHCI now. maybe I have ULI and ALi confused |
| 07:22.04 | K`zan | peterS: Not a fan of all modules, but being new to deb, I went with the flow, now trying to rectify that :-). Much appreciate the help here. VERY much. |
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| 07:22.39 | K`zan | peterS: Old Abit-UL8 MB... |
| 07:23.05 | K`zan | Lemme try to fix the module force problem... |
| 07:23.08 | peterS | K`zan: going through make-kpkg just sort of makes everything easier - since the kernel image ends up in a .deb package, you can install, remove, reconfigure it just as you do other packages. the system keeps track of all the files installed. the grub menu.lst file is automatically updated. it's just nice all around. |
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| 07:25.53 | navaladi | hi all, i m unable to copy files to usb disk having kernel 2.6.15-23-386. i am getting this error ""cp: cannot create regular file Read-only file system"" |
| 07:26.11 | navaladi | i tried gooling, not able to get anything..pls help |
| 07:26.17 | streuner_ | what does "mount" about say? |
| 07:26.31 | peterS | !vfatrw |
| 07:26.32 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 07:27.03 | \amethyst | navaladi: also, check the logs for errors |
| 07:27.27 | \amethyst | the kernel will put filesystems in r-o mode if it encounters grievous errors |
| 07:27.31 | GarryFre | Strangely, I don't have to do anything to get access to a ramstick |
| 07:27.57 | streuner_ | access isnt rw |
| 07:28.54 | GarryFre | Oh yes, I forget, I set up the fstab. |
| 07:30.04 | K`zan | peterS: Think I found it, booting the new kernel now, again, THANKS for the help! |
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| 07:31.08 | navaladi | \amethyst: thanks, i will try |
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| 07:33.00 | cahoot | GarryFre, fwiw my usb stick is mounted rw without any tinkering - sid |
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| 07:34.54 | K`zan | peterS: No luck, still not seeing the boot drive (and can't find /lib/modules/* for other things). Going to build ALL the SCSI stuff into the kernel and see what happens. |
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| 07:37.00 | Rhoruns | hey, is it possible to do a screencapture recording without X on? |
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| 07:42.19 | mypapit | long live debian!! |
| 07:42.33 | GarryFre | cahoot :) |
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| 07:44.10 | GarryFre | cahoot yep, same here I note, I have more than one linux system ... in this case, I see that the install set it up cause I had the key in during install |
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| 07:47.00 | Rhoruns | anyone here an expert with openssh?? |
| 07:47.03 | K`zan | peterS: Well, even with *everything* to do with sata built into the kernel, it still does not see the boot drive (or the other one either). Out of ideas... |
| 07:47.33 | K`zan | Sigh, never had problem one doing this under gentoo :-(. |
| 07:48.18 | K`zan | According to the ramfilesys (?) the sata drives are just not there. |
| 07:48.43 | peterS | go back to gentoo, then. the linux kernel is essentially the same in both distributions, though |
| 07:49.09 | peterS | if the debian kernel doesn't see the sata controller, and the gentoo kernel does, you need to look at how they are configured differently |
| 07:49.36 | K`zan | One last idea... |
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| 07:51.56 | cast | 'Disable overcommit by echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory. No more OOM killer killing some random unrelated process. Memory allocations will fail and programs will be able to handle that correctly.' that sounds handy |
| 07:51.59 | Arafangion | peterS: Last I tried gentoo, I noticed that they tended to patch it heaps. |
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| 07:52.42 | Arafangion | peterS: Though, that was back in the 2.4.x days, but they patched it far more than most other distros. |
| 07:53.13 | K`zan | peterS: Out of ideas, this is the LAST time I use the update manager :-). System is just screwed with the old (new?) kernel, at least I was able to get the nvidia module to build so I have something. |
| 07:53.27 | peterS | oh dear, you're using a non-free external module too |
| 07:54.26 | dondelelcaro | cast: that's generally not what you want to do though, because there are many programs that allocate memory that they don't actually use |
| 07:55.05 | tcsetattr | I'll call that bluff. name some of these programs that are so dependent on overcommit. |
| 07:55.54 | Arafangion | cast: I often wonder why that isn't the /default/ |
| 07:56.06 | GarryFre | Gentoo, I tried that, upgrading was a nightmare, of masked file mystery, unlike all the google examples that say package 1 was blocked by package 2, and all I had to do was unmask package 2, I'd get package 1 blocked by some package name not given, or package 2 was not even installed! |
| 07:56.36 | cast | i have a serious shitfight with gimp when trying to work on really high res images, instead of failing gracefully the system grinds to a halt for 10 minutes till it gets killed :\ |
| 07:56.41 | tcsetattr | the ability to allocate gigantic amounts of memory (for which neither RAM nor swap actually exists) is not guaranteed by any applicable standard... so nothing should be doing it. |
| 07:57.22 | Gigantic | GIGANTIC? |
| 07:57.42 | Gigantic | -name underline- |
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| 07:58.17 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: the point isn't that the allocate more memory than exists. The problem is when you have many programs which allocate memory that they don't actually use |
| 07:58.26 | tcsetattr | bull. |
| 07:58.27 | jelly-home | tcsetattr: my browser of choice has leaks that make it allocate gobs of memory (but not actually using it) |
| 07:58.36 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: any program which does the latter takes advantage of overcommitted memory |
| 07:58.41 | tcsetattr | no reasonable program allocates a big amount of memory for no reason. |
| 07:58.48 | tcsetattr | name it. |
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| 07:59.06 | tcsetattr | I'm tired of this overcommit-supporting crap that gets spewed by people who won't admit overcommit is a bug |
| 07:59.08 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: what, like any program that mallocs a block before actually using it, like firefox or X or R or perl or whatever else? |
| 07:59.09 | jelly-home | tcsetattr: tell that to Mozilla Foundation and Opera Corp. |
| 07:59.27 | tcsetattr | malloc and the use, that's how it goes. not malloc-and-then-don't-use |
| 07:59.46 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: well, you're quite free to disable overcommit |
| 08:00.08 | tcsetattr | when your memory allocation succeeds, you have the right to expect that you can access that memory and not get randomly killed. |
| 08:00.08 | jelly-home | malloc all you want as long as you don't brk :-) |
| 08:00.16 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: those of us who would prefer to be able to run more programs than would fit in physical memory like it |
| 08:00.41 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: your process should be prepared to die at any point in time |
| 08:01.04 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Question is... when you hit OOM, /which/ processes are you prepared to have die? |
| 08:01.17 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: making that decision is what the OOM is supposed to do |
| 08:01.27 | GarryFre | CPU's are not aware of civil rights. |
| 08:01.28 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Yeah, until it kils init. |
| 08:01.45 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: it's been a long time since I've seen an OOM kill init |
| 08:01.55 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: most of the time it kills off whatever is using the most memory |
| 08:02.08 | tcsetattr | killing a process is NOT the correct behavior. returning NULL from malloc is. |
| 08:02.10 | dondelelcaro | (but tries not to axe X) |
| 08:02.15 | Arafangion | tcsetattr: Indeed. |
| 08:02.35 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Sounds like a stupid way to handle it. |
| 08:02.36 | dondelelcaro | almost everything that gets a null from malloc bails at that point |
| 08:02.51 | K`zan | Well, I give up, I can not seem to create a kernel nor an initrd.img(at all) that will see the sata drives. I'm screwed... |
| 08:02.58 | GarryFre | Its a safer choice to have th os decide what to kill, it would not be pretty thing if an OS ran out of memory, and got so messed up it ended up corrupting things. |
| 08:03.03 | tcsetattr | even a quick exit is likely to be cleaner than SIGKILL |
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| 08:03.21 | tcsetattr | and denying the program the opportunity to do something smarter is irresponsible. |
| 08:03.27 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: when a malloc has failed, you generally can't do anything but blow up |
| 08:03.36 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: because there's no memory around period to do anything |
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| 08:04.13 | dondelelcaro | (and even with overcommit, mallocs can still fail, they just try very hard not to) |
| 08:04.15 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: many applications that do actually use a large amount of ram can trivially just kiss their cache's good bye, and perform GC sweaps (if applicable0 |
| 08:04.21 | tcsetattr | if you're a short-lived program, yes. but if you're a long running process with cached objects you can free, there's no problem handling malloc failure gracefully and moving on. or saving your state for restart later. |
| 08:04.31 | jelly-home | tcsetattr: so set vm.overcommit_memory to 2 and get on with it |
| 08:04.44 | dondelelcaro | just figuring out what bits of cache and memory you can free takes memory to do |
| 08:04.47 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Our put is that it should not overcommit by *default8 |
| 08:04.56 | tcsetattr | I do have it set to 2. I'm calling the bullshit propaganda being given here to discourage others from doing the same. |
| 08:05.10 | jelly-home | Arafangion: there's no default can appease all people |
| 08:05.17 | tcsetattr | I didn't start this argument. |
| 08:05.21 | dondelelcaro | in the average case where you've got enough memory to run whatever you're running, the default overcommit is sensible |
| 08:05.42 | dondelelcaro | the times where it's not is when OOM actually gets called |
| 08:05.48 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: If memory is that short, the app can just simply die, and we aren't any worse off at all. |
| 08:05.50 | dondelelcaro | if OOM is being called, you need to adjust it |
| 08:06.17 | tcsetattr | if you don't have enough memory to run whatever you're running, having it run anyway with the caveat that the processes have to expect to be SIGKILLed at random times, is not a reasonable solution. |
| 08:06.18 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: the difference is that with overcommit, my app will keep running if there's any possible way for it to keep running. |
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| 08:06.42 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: At a cost of certainty and reliability. |
| 08:07.02 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: that's always a cost |
| 08:07.10 | peterS | no-overcommit is an invitation for your root shell, in the middle of a swap storm, to say 'fork: no more resources available' and not let you even investigate |
| 08:07.16 | tcsetattr | don't go telling people that turning off overcommit is likely to cause problems because of the prevalence of programs that don't really use all the memory they allocated. That's a false assertion and leading people into danger. |
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| 08:07.58 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: it's not a false asertion. I know precisely when overcommit gets used, as I see it happening on machines that I maintain and use all the time. |
| 08:08.00 | Arafangion | peterS: That's easy to fix - simply reserve 5% or so of available RAM to root. |
| 08:08.01 | tcsetattr | a well-defined failure mode is infinitely better than "maybe it'll work and maybe it'll die at unknown location" |
| 08:08.08 | peterS | Arafangion: yeah, how do I do that? |
| 08:08.15 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: a classic example is a case where you have processes which fork. |
| 08:08.23 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: If that's the case, then perhaps you are an atypical user of linux systems today. |
| 08:08.29 | jelly-home | peterS: vm.overcommit_ratio |
| 08:08.41 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: techincally the process has the ability to write to all of those pages, but few processes do. |
| 08:08.44 | Arafangion | tcsetattr: I definetly agree with that. |
| 08:08.59 | peterS | jelly-home: what does vm.overcommit_ratio have to do with my root shell not being able to fork? |
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| 08:09.27 | liable | cast: you did well with that one comment ;) |
| 08:09.49 | jelly-home | peterS: it's supposed to make enough memory available at all times? |
| 08:09.55 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: a malloc failure isn't a well defined failure mode, though. |
| 08:10.06 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: when malloc fails, everything stops. |
| 08:10.09 | peterS | it's true. if mozilla is using 51% of memory and it tries to fork/exec a child process, you better hope you have overcommit enabled. if you don't, mozilla will be unable to do it. |
| 08:10.14 | tcsetattr | malloc failure IS well defined. It returns NULL. |
| 08:10.29 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: what happens to your machine when that happens? |
| 08:10.35 | tcsetattr | where is the definition that says "if you do $FOO then you may get a SIGKILL some time later" ? |
| 08:10.57 | peterS | this really is more about fork than about malloc |
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| 08:11.16 | Arafangion | peterS: If mozilla is using 51% of memory, and it notices that a malloc fails, it had better release the memory it doesn't need. (There is no good reason why mozilla needs so damn much ram) |
| 08:11.21 | peterS | maybe everyone should use vfork instead, but for historical reasons, a lot of unix programmers have learned not to trust vfork in portable code |
| 08:11.34 | peterS | Arafangion: I didn't say malloc, I said fork |
| 08:11.37 | tcsetattr | vfork has problems that aren't purely historical |
| 08:11.38 | peterS | Arafangion: do you know what fork does? |
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| 08:12.00 | tcsetattr | if you have a single process using 51% of memory your computer is too small for your workload |
| 08:12.18 | dondelelcaro | Heh. I have single processes using that much memory all the time |
| 08:12.37 | tcsetattr | a single _user_ shouldn't be able to use 51% of memory (and root should never need anywhere near that much since root doesn't run bloatware) |
| 08:12.45 | Arafangion | peterS: Yes. I think I can understand why fork() might have some issues, but as far as malloc itself goes, I do not see why it should overcommit. |
| 08:12.47 | peterS | Arafangion: fork essentially mallocs exactly the amount of memory it is already using. in the vast majority of cases, all of this memory will soon be freed, never actually touched. |
| 08:12.52 | dondelelcaro | (and I probably have more memory in some of these machines than multiple people in this channel combined) |
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| 08:13.09 | LiberCogito | Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01), on a completely new non updated install of ubuntu feisty, it is there, it can scan, it finds no networks. Same deal with both ndiswrapper and BCMxx fwcutter. |
| 08:13.10 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: I'm guessing that's not a typical desktop box. |
| 08:13.19 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: heh. nope. |
| 08:13.26 | Arafangion | tcsetattr: A single user can often use more than that, especially on desktops. |
| 08:13.29 | Kevin` | peterS it allocates it but that allocation rarely actually reaches the physical ram |
| 08:13.30 | tcsetattr | I uh... do run some memory hogs too that would probably fail if they tried to fork. which is why they don't try. |
| 08:13.30 | jelly-home | LiberCogito: #ubuntu |
| 08:13.55 | peterS | Kevin`: isn't that what I said? |
| 08:14.12 | Kevin` | not what I gathered. whatever :) |
| 08:14.23 | LiberCogito | jelly-home: Its a cross distro issue. I checked. And ubuntu is still close enough to debian to figure you guys might have some clue. |
| 08:14.33 | Arafangion | LiberCogito: Irrelevant. |
| 08:14.52 | Arafangion | LiberCogito: And it's actually quite different to Debian imho. |
| 08:14.58 | dondelelcaro | LiberCogito: #ubuntu is the right place to get Ubuntu support; we're here to support Debian. |
| 08:14.58 | peterS | LiberCogito: pretty sure debian doesn't ship that driver, so no, it is not relevant to debian |
| 08:15.17 | Kevin` | peterS debian ships the bcm43xx driver |
| 08:15.35 | peterS | trust me, if I wanted to answer ubuntu questions, I would have joined #ubuntu by now. I think the rest of these folks would say the same. |
| 08:15.35 | Kevin` | but ubuntu still might be using a different kernel version. almost surely is |
| 08:15.45 | spheard | the bcm43xx driver is shit |
| 08:15.51 | LiberCogito | So if I spend 20 minutes installing debian to get the same issue, then will you take a stab at it? |
| 08:15.56 | dondelelcaro | it's actually not so bad |
| 08:16.00 | jelly-home | LiberCogito: yep |
| 08:16.01 | Arafangion | LiberCogito: We might, sure. :) |
| 08:16.08 | spheard | ndiswrapper is a lot better |
| 08:16.15 | dondelelcaro | hardly |
| 08:16.20 | spheard | do you have a dell by any chance? |
| 08:16.29 | Kevin` | a fully supported card is a lot better :) |
| 08:16.40 | liable | spheard: they are making pretty good progress now i think. you might want to try the mac80211 version |
| 08:16.43 | basanta | can anyone ping mpp.org.np and get me the ip? |
| 08:16.55 | dondelelcaro | obviously not, which is one of the reasons why bcm43xx is much better, since there's no way that ndis would even work on this machine |
| 08:16.58 | cast | mpp.org.np has address 72.232.213.26 |
| 08:17.07 | Kevin` | for broadcom I suppose it's a tradeoff between features (the bcm43xx driver has more) and performance (windows driver for old versions) |
| 08:17.17 | basanta | cast, thanks |
| 08:17.19 | spheard | Ill have a look, to be honest, last time I looked was over 6 months ago |
| 08:17.45 | LiberCogito | Would someone be kind enough to link me to where I can download the current stable iso? |
| 08:17.47 | dondelelcaro | dunno, the performance of the bcm43xx driver is quite reasonable; haven't had any serious issues with it (though you need to cycle the module sometimes) |
| 08:17.51 | dondelelcaro | !getting debian |
| 08:17.52 | Kevin` | does that driver support AP mode yet? |
| 08:18.04 | peterS | maybe you're missing the fact that dondelelcaro's computer will not run ndis drivers at all. this is a practical result of the ndis driver being non-free. |
| 08:18.31 | basanta | is it possible one domain is ping to two different ips from two different locations? |
| 08:18.55 | Arafangion | basanta: Of course not. |
| 08:19.03 | Arafangion | basanta: You can only ping one ip at a time. |
| 08:19.17 | peterS | basanta: sounds like you aren't wondering about ping at all, but wondering about DNS lookups. it is possible to configure a DNS server to provide different answers to different people, but it is rarely done. |
| 08:19.19 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: getting debian is <reply> To get Debian, see http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 08:19.19 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 08:19.22 | jelly-home | basanta: if by "ping" you mean "dns resolve", then yes |
| 08:19.28 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: get debian is <reply> see getting debian |
| 08:19.28 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 08:19.39 | dondelelcaro | LiberCogito: see the link above. |
| 08:19.51 | LiberCogito | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 08:19.58 | Arafangion | LiberCogito: We recommend only the netinst. |
| 08:20.02 | tcsetattr | although if the hostname has multiple IP addresses, different people will get different answers just because of the round robin |
| 08:20.30 | peterS | true. in the present case, there is another curiosity: the same host has three MX records, different priorities, same mail exchanger |
| 08:20.38 | tcsetattr | don't use ping as a dig replacement |
| 08:20.49 | Kevin` | peterS that's.. odd |
| 08:21.06 | peterS | it is odd. I suspect it's not fully set up, and the other two are placeholders |
| 08:21.08 | basanta | jelly-home, I have changed the dns to 72..... and it used to be 68... some some places it still poings to old ones |
| 08:21.16 | tcsetattr | somebody had a form with 3 boxes for MX and the priorities pre-filled-out :) |
| 08:21.24 | peterS | heh, or that |
| 08:22.06 | tcsetattr | I'm getting mpp.org.np. 14400 IN A 66.98.208.96 |
| 08:22.14 | jelly-home | basanta: that's normal, people use dns caching all the time. the word you should be using is "resolves" or "points", not pings. |
| 08:23.08 | jelly-home | basanta: see that "14400" number? that means "you can cache this value for next 14400 seconds and not have to ask the original dns server" |
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| 08:23.27 | peterS | right, which is 4 hours |
| 08:23.58 | basanta | cast, can you try an open mpp.org.np plz.. |
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| 08:24.09 | Kevin` | basanta open with what protocol |
| 08:24.30 | spheard | whats the command for confguring exim? |
| 08:24.33 | basanta | jelly-home, peterS thanks |
| 08:24.42 | basanta | Kevin`, http |
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| 08:24.50 | peterS | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:25.02 | Kevin` | basanta madan puraskar putakalaya |
| 08:25.03 | peterS | which is not really intuitive and probably should be fixed, but apparently it wouldn't be easy to fix |
| 08:25.03 | emergo2000 | trying to install scanner but only works as root I added myself to scanner group but cant find /dev/sg* what else can the device be called |
| 08:25.31 | jelly-home | emergo2000: perhaps the sg module is not loaded at all? |
| 08:25.33 | peterS | emergo2000: depends on the type of scanner. a lot of them are USB nowadays |
| 08:25.54 | peterS | emergo2000: in which case you want the 'scanner' kernel module, or possibly just raw access through /proc/bus/usb |
| 08:25.58 | emergo2000 | sorry epson usb canner multifunction printer |
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| 08:26.42 | tcsetattr | the scanner kernel module doesn't exist anymore |
| 08:26.59 | peterS | oh, where did it go? people are just supposed to use libusb with /proc/bus/usb now? |
| 08:27.04 | basanta | Kevin`, i need to know which ip it pings from your machine |
| 08:27.04 | tcsetattr | it's all libusb now. |
| 08:27.24 | Internat | just to confirm im not insane.. im playing with logcheck rules at the moment.. if put (, time=[0-9]+)? that would mean that a line MAY have a ", time=0" or it may not.. it doesnt matter correct? |
| 08:27.27 | Kevin` | basanta PING is not a dns tool |
| 08:27.29 | Kevin` | basanta mpp.org.np. 14396 IN A 72.232.213.26 |
| 08:27.35 | Arafangion | basanta: The ip used is whatever the heck YOU told it to use. |
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| 08:27.50 | Arafangion | basanta: For example: "ping 123.32.123.2" will ping that ip address. |
| 08:27.50 | tcsetattr | yesterday I helped 2 people who both had a non-working usb scanner because they had udev (!@&*!@*#$) and libusb was using /dev/bus/usb, which is similr to /proc/bus/usb but apparently broken for scanners. |
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| 08:28.08 | peterS | oh lovely |
| 08:28.11 | Arafangion | basanta: If you instead provide a DNS name, it will attempt to resolve it using the default resolver, but that is it. |
| 08:28.32 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: ok, modprobe sg worked. what permissions should it have ? |
| 08:28.58 | Internat | in which case, can someone look at the regex on http://pastebin.ca/678722 and tell me why that rule isnt matching either of those lines |
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| 08:30.14 | jelly-home | emergo2000: um, did a device appear in /dev? |
| 08:30.35 | tcsetattr | when I have a problem like that I chop the regexp in half until it starts working |
| 08:30.38 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: crw-rw---- 1 root root 21, 0 2007-09-02 12:26 /dev/sg0 |
| 08:30.46 | tcsetattr | binary search for the point where it stops doing what you wanted |
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| 08:30.51 | jelly-home | emergo2000: I think you probably don't need that at all with a usb device |
| 08:31.23 | LiberCogito | Since the BCMxx drivers are now included with Etch, should wireless work when running the livecd (in theory)? |
| 08:31.30 | jelly-home | emergo2000: and dmesg would show what physical device was bound to sg0 (possibly not the scanner) |
| 08:31.43 | emergo2000 | exactly but why only as root then |
| 08:31.53 | Kevin` | LiberCogito the firmware still can't be included |
| 08:33.03 | LiberCogito | Kevin`: So I still have to install fwcutter, correct? |
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| 08:33.11 | jelly-home | emergo2000: that's just a default. sg devices could be scsi tape libraries, cd burners, or pretty much any scsi device |
| 08:33.13 | Kevin` | yes |
| 08:33.17 | emergo2000 | exactly but why only as root then |
| 08:33.23 | Kevin` | well, assuming you have a broadcom based wireless card |
| 08:33.35 | Kevin` | other stuff probably works without doing that |
| 08:33.40 | emergo2000 | sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 |
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| 08:33.56 | tcsetattr | Internat, looks like it's the extra comma before the (, starttls) |
| 08:34.08 | LiberCogito | Kevin`: It's one of the evil dell broadcom 1306s |
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| 08:35.40 | jelly-home | emergo2000: because it's a sane default? |
| 08:36.01 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: aaah. sorry didnt get that. |
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| 08:36.15 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: edit etc/sane.conf or something then |
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| 08:36.35 | jelly-home | emergo2000: no, I mean literally sane |
| 08:36.53 | xingu | tcsetattr: what specifically was busted with /dev/bus/usb ? |
| 08:37.19 | simonrvn | as in SANE |
| 08:37.24 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: ok, but im trying to start xsane |
| 08:37.45 | jelly-home | emergo2000: sg0 is one of your scsi or sata disks. you don't want users to be able to give arbitrary scsi commands to it. sg0 is not your scanner |
| 08:37.52 | tcsetattr | xingu, it was 2 separate users with 2 separate symptoms, both of which went away when forcing libusb to look at /proc/bus/usb. they were both long debugging sessions so I can't remember the initial symptoms exactly. |
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| 08:38.11 | emergo2000 | i got a sata disk yes |
| 08:38.37 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: i see |
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| 08:38.49 | jelly-home | emergo2000: you'll be using some other device more appropriate for usb scanners. |
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| 08:39.03 | LiberCogito | Are there any BCMxx guides for debian that any of you recommend? |
| 08:39.18 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: does it show in dmesg ? |
| 08:40.01 | Internat | tcsetattr, oh bugger.. that would definatly do it.. Thanks!! |
| 08:40.04 | jelly-home | emergo2000: probably. I don't have experience with those |
| 08:40.11 | wols | !bcm43xx |
| 08:40.11 | dpkg | well, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter> |
| 08:40.43 | tcsetattr | you say scanning works as root, but you don't know where the device is? scanimage -L as root and it'll tell you the current location (but USB devices don't really have stable location identifiers) |
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| 08:41.23 | emergo2000 | jelly-home: im too lost to come up with a device on my own |
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| 08:42.49 | LiberCogito | Installing.... should I use the network mirror, or the base install? >.< Sorry, never tried debian before. |
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| 08:44.13 | liable | LiberCogito: get it off the network if you have a reasonable internet connection |
| 08:44.31 | LiberCogito | liable: Thanks :) |
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| 08:44.41 | iwkse | hi all, checkinstall keep tracks of dependencies while generating a package and auto install them? |
| 08:46.48 | cast | man checkinstall, heh? |
| 08:47.20 | Arafangion | iwkse: No. |
| 08:48.22 | iwkse | Arafangion: i could solve it with auto-apt and checkinstall? |
| 08:49.09 | cast | you could make your own .deb |
| 08:49.18 | Arafangion | Making your own .deb isn't honestly that hard. |
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| 08:49.26 | xingu | tcsetattr: fwiw the difference between the two is that dev/bus is a usb_device chardev and proc/bus is a lightweight filesystem also; however both appear to use common code for handling IOCTL's |
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| 08:51.05 | iwkse | Arafangion: avoiding checkinstall? |
| 08:51.05 | sobersabre | hi I have a wierd problem need some help to see how do I identify it. |
| 08:51.05 | sobersabre | I have an ssh server. |
| 08:51.05 | Arafangion | iwkse: Indeed. checkinstall is a hack. |
| 08:51.05 | xingu | tcsetattr: if it happens again, get a strace of the failing iop against the chardev; there's more here than just blaming the ills of the world on udev, there's real userspace brokenness here. |
| 08:51.05 | sobersabre | it's user's homes are mounted via NFS. |
| 08:51.05 | iwkse | Arafangion: but seems to works |
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| 08:51.05 | Arafangion | iwkse: As they do. |
| 08:51.06 | sobersabre | when users try to copy files from this server to their home machines, the ssh server gets stuck. |
| 08:51.14 | sobersabre | It's load average crawls up to 20 or even more, and it becomes irresponsive. |
| 08:52.04 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: NFS issues usually tend to come back to packet loss on the network segment connecting the machine to the NFS server |
| 08:52.07 | sobersabre | then, the only thing I can do to revive the machine - is to reset it. |
| 08:52.12 | tcsetattr | xingu, I remember at one point the /dev/bus/usb/XXX/YYY node gave ENXIO on open, when the /proc/bus/usb/XXX/YYY was able to be opened |
| 08:52.27 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro: the network is quite fast. especially compared to the SFTP throughput. |
| 08:52.56 | tcsetattr | xingu, I know udev didn't cause this bug. nevertheless I did observe that without udev there is no /dev/bus/usb, so I added it to my list of bugs that can be fixed by removing udev. |
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| 08:53.18 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: yeah, but that high of a load tends to indicate that you've got lots of processes blocking on IO, which tends to implicate NFS |
| 08:54.01 | sobersabre | hmm... what do you mean by "lots of processes" waiting for I/O: it should be the ssh process. 1 process. |
| 08:54.23 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: if your load is 20, you've got (approximately) 20 processes blocking on IO. |
| 08:54.42 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: every single user who is logged into the machine has a single sshd process. |
| 08:55.52 | sobersabre | sounds logical. |
| 08:56.11 | sobersabre | does sshd split itself per 1 sftp/scp session into multiple PROCESSES ?! |
| 08:56.32 | sobersabre | I've never heard of such atrocity.... |
| 08:56.46 | sobersabre | brb |
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| 08:57.22 | jelly-home | we already heard today that fork() is an atrocity, yes ;-) |
| 08:57.23 | tcsetattr | do network-bound processes contribute to load average? I wouldn't have thought so |
| 08:57.35 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: the problem here is NFS |
| 08:57.40 | dondelelcaro | (which is not network IO) |
| 08:57.50 | tcsetattr | ahh, I thought we were talking scp |
| 08:58.05 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: of course. How else do you think it would work? It should fork, and setuid/gid to the user in question |
| 08:58.17 | tcsetattr | NFS, sure, those are "diskwait". in spite of no disks in sight |
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| 09:00.54 | xingu | sobersabre: try mounting your nfs over tcp. |
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| 09:01.37 | xingu | sobersabre: proto=tcp mount opt (command line or fstab) |
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| 09:08.39 | Kartoffelsalat | hi, i have a sunday-problem: every sunday my ftp server shuts down (do not know why) - houw could a bash/cron script look like, that every 5 minutes the ftp server is tested if it works - when not ftp should be restarted |
| 09:09.17 | cast | i'd find out why :> |
| 09:09.32 | simonrvn | just test for its pid and restart it if it isn't found. you should also fix your logrotate script maybe ;) |
| 09:09.35 | Kevin` | PC is probably the greatest game console ever |
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| 09:10.13 | xingu | tcsetattr: read() on usbfs returns the same info as available in decoded form under sysfs (/sys/bus/usb/devices etc) |
| 09:10.20 | Kartoffelsalat | cast: yes ;-) |
| 09:10.21 | Kartoffelsalat | simonrvn: sorry, i haven't used this pid stuff yet - can you help me a little bit? |
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| 09:10.38 | simonrvn | Kevin`: what's your fricking point man!!>??>!>!>!!>!???? :P (teehee) |
| 09:10.41 | xingu | tcsetattr: again if something is failing, particularly something libusb based, then it's a bug, and the right answer is fixing it, not taking a hatchet to udev. |
| 09:10.57 | cast | the etch thttpd init.d script is flawed, it doesn't actually kill thttpd...check the BTS for bugs against your ftpd package |
| 09:10.57 | Kevin` | Oh |
| 09:11.00 | Kevin` | wrong channel |
| 09:11.00 | Kevin` | :D |
| 09:11.23 | tcsetattr | xingu, I was helping people over IRC. if I had the hardware to reproduce the bug myself I might have investigated it (but I wouldn't have run into it myself since I don't use udev!) |
| 09:11.25 | simonrvn | Kevin`: it's process ID, the number the process has recorded in the process table for it |
| 09:11.32 | simonrvn | Kartoffelsalat: ^^^ see above |
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| 09:11.39 | simonrvn | Kevin`: sorry dude :) |
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| 09:12.13 | tcsetattr | neither of those people killed udev anyway. you can configure libusb to prefer /proc/bus/usb with an environment variable so it's not hard to work around |
| 09:12.14 | simonrvn | Kevin`: hehehe at 'wrong channel'. usually we call it (though haven't seen it lately) ECHAN |
| 09:12.39 | Kevin` | hehe |
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| 09:13.31 | sobersabre | xingu: I'll try. do you think I should use TCP on all 100 clients ? |
| 09:13.38 | xingu | cast: I wonder if it's ever killed init for anyone. :) |
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| 09:14.01 | xingu | sobersabre: you have 100 nfs clients? definitely. |
| 09:14.11 | simonrvn | fuck yeh |
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| 09:14.27 | xingu | your server will bless your cotton socks if you do |
| 09:14.39 | schoppenhauer | hello. when starting xsane or xscanimage it finds my scanner and lets me scan or acquire previews, but when i try to scan or acquire a preview, it does nothing. the normal scanimage-command works, so user-rights should not be the problem. |
| 09:14.42 | simonrvn | hehe, cotton socks |
| 09:14.48 | schoppenhauer | i have a canon lide 30 |
| 09:14.51 | sobersabre | xingu: I have more. |
| 09:14.52 | sobersabre | :) |
| 09:14.57 | sobersabre | but thanks! |
| 09:15.04 | sobersabre | shall I try nfs4 ? |
| 09:15.37 | Kartoffelsalat | my /var/log/xferlog (proftpd) file i empty - any idea where i should find the debug messages? |
| 09:15.46 | xingu | sobersabre: testbed that one; don't just switch wholesale to it straight away; as a goal/objective - yes - but retest your normal workload on non-production first. |
| 09:15.46 | sobersabre | hmmm. Must go. |
| 09:15.59 | sobersabre | ok thanks!!!! |
| 09:16.00 | sobersabre | byebye |
| 09:16.09 | rhavenn | i inherited a dell powervault 725n..4 IDE disks...it's set to 2 RAID1 sets..however, debian sees the 4 separate disks and when i reboot after an install the BIOS doesn't see anything..does anyone know how to disable to RAID on those? and/or get debian to see the RAID1? |
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| 09:16.51 | g6o31 | Kartoffelsalat, set permissions or /var/log/{messages,syslog} |
| 09:17.16 | xingu | rhavenn: dmraid, maybe? |
| 09:17.24 | Kartoffelsalat | why? the files messages and syslog exist |
| 09:17.35 | Kevin` | rhavenn sounds like a truely annoying system. driver raid and no configuration from the bios? |
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| 09:18.00 | mot | any idea where the msttcorefonts package went? |
| 09:18.03 | mot | i can't apt-get it |
| 09:18.05 | Kevin` | rhavenn for a seperate controller there would be a key to press to get the raid configuration, watch for it |
| 09:18.09 | rhavenn | Kevin`> yeah, it's one of those "comes with Windows, no cdrom, etc.. NAS devices |
| 09:18.16 | Kartoffelsalat | mot: contrib needed in apt settings |
| 09:18.23 | xingu | rhavenn: try dmraid; it may just automagically work |
| 09:18.25 | Kartoffelsalat | mot deb yoursouces contrib |
| 09:18.26 | rhavenn | Kevin`> yeah, it doesn't display :) |
| 09:18.29 | Kevin` | rhavenn sure it wasn't using windows raid? |
| 09:18.33 | rhavenn | i'll check out dmraid..thanks |
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| 09:19.06 | rhavenn | Kevin`> yeah, i see 4 disks in the bios and then the sil controller shows 2 |
| 09:19.44 | Kevin` | so it's doing raid in the sil driver? |
| 09:19.46 | rhavenn | Kevin`> maybe it was though and i just have my boot devices backwards..i'll dink with it :) |
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| 09:19.48 | Kevin` | dmraid might work for that, but |
| 09:19.55 | rhavenn | Kevin`> i don't know :) |
| 09:20.02 | mot | ehh |
| 09:20.07 | mot | this still isn't working |
| 09:20.21 | Kevin` | rhavenn if you have to use dmraid to get the array working, I suggest you strongly consider using native linux raid instead |
| 09:20.22 | mot | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ contrib main |
| 09:20.22 | mot | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ contrib main |
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| 09:20.42 | mot | running apt-get update after that throws errors, then running apt-get install msttcorefonts again afterwards still says not found |
| 09:20.46 | abchirk | Hi, anyone here knows how to limit the upload of apache2? So that I can limit the uploadrate for my programs? |
| 09:20.55 | xingu | Kevin`: the downside to that being that it takes careful planning to not hose your at-poweron degraded boot capability. |
| 09:21.21 | Kartoffelsalat | mot: hm, and when you write main contrib? strange... |
| 09:21.33 | mot | i have contrib main |
| 09:21.34 | Kevin` | xingu of course, but I assume some thought put into it :) |
| 09:22.09 | xingu | I think one of those sil controllers permits sata/ide port mirroring; might have that confoozed with qlogic though |
| 09:22.27 | xingu | that at least cuts down on the duplication of on-bus traffic |
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| 09:23.05 | mot | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/contrib/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 09:23.05 | mot | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/contrib/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 09:23.09 | mot | =\ |
| 09:23.30 | tcsetattr | you need to put "stable" before "contrib main" |
| 09:24.06 | tcsetattr | you've got the "contrib" where the distribution is supposed to be |
| 09:24.10 | Kevin` | should put etch rather then stable, so you don't get suprised when a new stable is released |
| 09:24.41 | tcsetattr | I've enjoyed the surprise massive upgrade when a new stable is released every time since potato->woody :) |
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| 09:27.26 | Noborusan | does MRTG need snmpd ? why apt-get install mrtg doesnt show it ? |
| 09:27.40 | Noborusan | i checked,i do not have ssnmpd installed. |
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| 09:28.47 | harpal | when memory becomes low than can debian use swap memory? |
| 09:29.19 | cast | yes. |
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| 09:30.00 | Kartoffelsalat | !paste |
| 09:30.00 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 09:31.16 | xingu | Noborusan: mrtg is perfectly happy plotting only non-local targets. |
| 09:31.31 | tcsetattr | Noborusan, mrtg needs to talk to an snmp server to gather data. It does not need to be on the same machine. |
| 09:31.35 | Noborusan | xingu, i don't undertand |
| 09:31.55 | Noborusan | tcsetattr, so it needs snmp at all ? |
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| 09:32.03 | Kartoffelsalat | my proftpd-log (out of syslog): http://paste.debian.net/36023 |
| 09:32.38 | xingu | Noborusan: mrtg will in fact plot anything that can be measured, it doesn't even need to be snmp based. |
| 09:32.41 | tcsetattr | SNMP is a network protocol. it has clients and servers (though it calls them "agents" or some such weird language). |
| 09:32.58 | harpal | cast: I have used squid and I have downloaded big url list to block the sites now when I start squid with that urllist than it starts killing other processes and than tells that memory ot of space, now If I make swap partition big than is it ok? |
| 09:33.08 | tcsetattr | much like the X base clients don't have a dependency on an X server, though installing them on the same machine is common |
| 09:33.13 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 09:33.25 | Noborusan | so i just apt-get install mrtg is fine ? |
| 09:33.35 | cast | harpal: i wouldn't :| swap is ohh so slow |
| 09:33.37 | tcsetattr | in other words, the snmp server goes on your _router_ and the mrtg goes on your _workstation_. |
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| 09:33.44 | Kevin` | harpal if it actually has to use a lot of swap the system will be very slow |
| 09:33.52 | tcsetattr | if your workstation *is* your router, that's fine. install both. |
| 09:34.04 | xingu | harpal: squid really doesn't like running with low memory; my first suggestion to you is to kill your backing store and use its nullfs driver (cache_dir null ... directive) |
| 09:34.10 | Noborusan | tcsetattr, i mean,my server is now in the data-center |
| 09:34.33 | Noborusan | tcsetattr, i plan to install mrtg on it to monitor bandwidth and stuff,that it is. |
| 09:34.47 | xingu | harpal: obviously this will reduce your hit rate; but if your average service times are <15ms or so anyway, the tradeoff will be worth it. |
| 09:35.12 | tcsetattr | we've told you like 5 different ways the relationship between mrtg and the router. if you don't get it yet, you are hopeless |
| 09:35.29 | mot | any way i can debian to actually install firefox via apt-get instead of ice weasel? |
| 09:35.37 | xingu | harpal: squid *gobbles* memory indexing the data on disk. |
| 09:35.45 | xingu | harpal: some versions - unbounded. |
| 09:36.29 | xingu | harpal: my second suggestion for you is to use either privoxy or squidGuard to manage your blocklist |
| 09:37.13 | harpal | xingu: but can they manage that big black list without any problem? |
| 09:38.10 | xingu | harpal: unless you're describing a ridiculously tight corner case, the largest blocklist is going to consume feck all in the way of memory as a data structure |
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| 09:38.59 | xingu | harpal: as I said; try the nullfs storage driver; then port your blocklist to probably squidGuard. |
| 09:39.37 | harpal | ok |
| 09:39.55 | xingu | harpal: I'd take a guess that the former will rein in the swapping and that the latter will reduce your service times (nothing to do with memory on that score, it's an efficiency measure) |
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| 09:40.33 | xingu | harpal: it takes a long time to drum it in believe me but with squid, the larger the on-disk store, the greater the demand on memory. |
| 09:41.09 | harpal | ya and I have snort also installed than it also take lots of memory |
| 09:41.11 | xingu | harpal: the tradeoff on anything newer/shinier than bonded-BRI connectivity just isn't worth it |
| 09:41.18 | Kartoffelsalat | more info about my proftpd-problem: proftpd -v: 1.3.0 (out of debian sources) // modules: mod_core.c, mod_xfer.c, mod_auth_unix.c mod_auth_file.c, mod_auth.c, mod_ls.c, mod_log.c, mod_site.c, mod_delay/0.5, mod_dso/0.5, mod_auth_pam.c, mod_readme.c, mod_cap/1.0, mod_ctrls/0.9.4 // -td5: IPv6 getaddrinfo 'the-server' error: Name or sevice not known; syntax check complete. |
| 09:41.30 | Kartoffelsalat | and here an output of /var/logs/syslog: http://paste.debian.net/36023 | server goes every sunday (between 2 and 4 pm mostly) down |
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| 09:41.53 | Kartoffelsalat | maybe some knows more :) |
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| 09:43.34 | harpal | another question: I have compiled that kernel 2.6.18.1 and when I try to boot from that kernel it tells that request_module: anaway loop modprobe net-pf-1 and stops doing any thing |
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| 09:44.34 | tcsetattr | net-pf-1 is PF_UNIX. you didn't disable unix domain sockets did you? |
| 09:45.04 | harpal | no I have CONFIG_UNIX=y in my config |
| 09:45.44 | tcsetattr | 2.6.18.1 is kinda old to be just now compiling it |
| 09:46.02 | liable | harpal: have you tried other kernels? why are you using .1? |
| 09:46.24 | liable | harpal: what was the version of the kernel in that lkml post I gave you? |
| 09:46.44 | harpal | ya but that openswan's KLIPS patch is applied to only 2.6.18.+ kernels |
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| 09:46.58 | harpal | liable: that link is not working at here |
| 09:47.07 | harpal | so I havent looked at that |
| 09:47.26 | liable | you can gogle that error, it was on the first page |
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| 09:47.40 | omkar86 | I want to install debian testing, how do I go abt it? are testing images available for download? |
| 09:48.02 | wols | omkar86: install etch, upgrade to testing |
| 09:48.30 | Kevin` | there's no testing netinstall cds? |
| 09:48.49 | liable | there are dailies, yes |
| 09:49.08 | liable | or there were, someone mentioned the other day that they havent been built for a while |
| 09:49.31 | liable | even the etch installer can install testing in expert mode apparently |
| 09:49.40 | liable | or sid even for that matter |
| 09:49.41 | omkar86 | ok, for etch how many CDs are required for a KDE desktop? |
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| 09:50.05 | wols | omkar86: 1 |
| 09:50.11 | liable | go read the install guide |
| 09:50.12 | wols | there is a kde install CD |
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| 09:50.54 | omkar86 | ok just that one CD |
| 09:51.31 | omkar86 | that is debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 09:51.45 | Kartoffelsalat | i used on my server apt-get, can i migrate without problems to aptitude? |
| 09:51.55 | wols | Kartoffelsalat: yes |
| 09:51.55 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 09:52.08 | wols | just use aptitude from now on |
| 09:52.11 | Kartoffelsalat | ok :) |
| 09:52.24 | wols | you don't want to go back fro0m aptitude to apt-get however |
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| 09:52.57 | eide | wols: why is that? |
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| 09:55.01 | eide | aptitude constantly wants to remove packages that I'm using. Does this have anything to do with mixing apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 09:56.08 | liable | yes |
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| 09:57.11 | Kartoffelsalat | liable: than i shouldn't migrate to aptitude on the server |
| 09:57.39 | eide | also, this is pretty annoying: W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead. |
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| 09:58.02 | liable | Kartoffelsalat: yes you should. you should stop using apt-get when you do. |
| 09:58.03 | Roman123 | Hi! I've been searching libapache2-mod-security for etch (amd64) without any luck. :-( Are there any unofficial packages? That would be very great. Thanks for the help. |
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| 09:58.43 | liable | eide: hrm, my aptitude doesnt say that |
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| 09:59.01 | eide | liable: I'm on lenny |
| 09:59.17 | eide | liable: why is aptitude better? Because it removes orphaned packages automatically? |
| 09:59.31 | liable | eide: yes, and it has dependancy resolution |
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| 09:59.36 | liable | !why aptitude |
| 09:59.36 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 10:00.41 | eide | liable: sounds good. Why does both projects exist? Political reasons? |
| 10:01.25 | wols | eide: aptitude is a replacement for dselect |
| 10:01.29 | liable | eide: not politics, just choice i guess |
| 10:01.42 | wols | apt-get was a proof of concept commandline tool for libapt |
| 10:01.47 | liable | wols: dont tell jetscreamer that |
| 10:01.48 | eide | liable: I'm using aptitude 0.4.5.4 |
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| 10:02.11 | liable | eide: i have a newer version but it doesnt give me that warning |
| 10:03.53 | eide | what concerns me about aptitude though is that it doesn't have super cow powers. Is this something I am going to miss when migrating from apt-get? |
| 10:04.28 | liable | it eats elephants! |
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| 10:04.59 | harpal | liable: in google search I found that udev hotplug has some problem, but I havent installed hotplug? |
| 10:05.12 | wols | liable: I wasn't looking for a giant appetite. I was looking for super powers |
| 10:05.17 | liable | harpal: udev replaced hotplug before .18 |
| 10:05.32 | eide | does anyone here use boost on Debian? Do I have to build it myself to get BOOST_FOREACH? |
| 10:05.39 | wols | eating massive amounts is not a super power, or homer simpson would be a superhero |
| 10:06.08 | liable | he is my hero |
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| 10:06.32 | wols | yes he is a hero, but not a super hero |
| 10:06.32 | wij32 | hey, from command line, how to i run a .bin file? |
| 10:06.41 | harpal | that means I have some problem in udev configuration? |
| 10:07.01 | wols | wij32: chmod a+x <file> ; ./file |
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| 10:07.21 | wij32 | thanks :) |
| 10:07.23 | Roman123 | hm, no apache gurus here? :-( |
| 10:07.46 | wols | arturaz: #apache |
| 10:08.04 | Roman123 | wols: it is debian related |
| 10:08.29 | wols | doesn't mean we necessarily know the answer |
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| 10:10.05 | Roman123 | I thought a debian user who runs apache might also run something like libapache2-mod-security. |
| 10:11.10 | liable | i think they removed it |
| 10:11.44 | omkar86 | can I install debian from just one CD: debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ? |
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| 10:11.53 | Kartoffelsalat | omkar86: yes |
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| 10:12.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all. would i be able to build chroots of ubuntu releases (like fesity) using etch? i'd rather not run a full ubuntu server, but a chroot should suffice |
| 10:12.32 | Roman123 | liable: yeah, they did. :( |
| 10:13.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | troubled, hi mate |
| 10:13.29 | troubled | heyas :) |
| 10:13.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 10:15.17 | omkar86 | I guess this->debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso is not a live CD.. |
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| 10:16.40 | liable | omkar86: no, its not |
| 10:17.15 | omkar86 | gr8! |
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| 10:25.08 | troubled | xingu: it appears that after using all those ^A's, I've ended up right back at this screen again :/ |
| 10:25.35 | Xteven | I'm seeing some debian quilts here at linuxconf.eu in cambridge |
| 10:25.40 | Xteven | anyone from here ? :) |
| 10:25.59 | liable | please tell me they arent what I am thinking they are! |
| 10:26.16 | xingu | troubled: I was rather hoping you'd sprinkle a few either side of a PRIVMSG |
| 10:26.25 | Xteven | liable: men ? |
| 10:26.42 | liable | Xteven: no, quilts! |
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| 10:27.28 | Xteven | liable: skirts for men ;) |
| 10:27.31 | Xteven | like scottsmen |
| 10:27.55 | liable | you guys wear skirts to ? |
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| 10:28.23 | Xteven | http://www.flickr.com/photos/53246655@N00/581894457/ |
| 10:28.27 | Xteven | I don't |
| 10:28.39 | Xteven | oh, is it kilt instead of quilt ? |
| 10:28.41 | Xteven | I'm not sure |
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| 10:29.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | kilt=scottish clothing |
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| 10:29.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | quilt=thing you throw on bed |
| 10:29.31 | geo-rge | so quilt == paris hilton |
| 10:29.31 | xingu | from the greek, meaning "she wears the pants" |
| 10:29.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 10:29.45 | Xteven | oh :) |
| 10:29.56 | Xteven | kilts then |
| 10:30.11 | xingu | (it's funnier when you realise that greek's also wear skirts on occasion) |
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| 10:30.29 | geo-rge | I cant think of other hot chick examples... except maybe charisma carpenter |
| 10:30.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | paris!=hot |
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| 10:31.16 | geo-rge | well whatever |
| 10:31.40 | geo-rge | but charisma is definitely hot looking |
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| 10:42.31 | samoth | bonjours escuser moi mais je souaite logguer mes connexion d'iptables outre que dans le fichier syslog vous auriez une idee svp? |
| 10:42.56 | liable | english |
| 10:43.07 | samoth | sorry |
| 10:43.10 | samoth | bye |
| 10:43.11 | liable | np |
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| 10:43.14 | liable | wait |
| 10:43.19 | liable | ok, go then |
| 10:43.20 | mortal_ | lol |
| 10:43.51 | mortal_ | not very correct french :p |
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| 10:47.04 | infinity0 | i wonder if there's a french version of "pwned" |
| 10:47.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 10:47.40 | liable | le-pwned? |
| 10:47.45 | funky | xD |
| 10:48.24 | mortal_ | pwné :D |
| 10:48.55 | infinity0 | freetranslation.com says "owned" = "possédé" |
| 10:49.08 | infinity0 | so... pwned = {ossédé ? |
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| 10:50.05 | dalias | *sigh* latin1 and shouldn't it be [ not { ? |
| 10:50.16 | Aubustou_ | french version of pwned is pouned |
| 10:51.24 | infinity0 | oh yeah course |
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| 10:59.00 | joefsoD | Should we be worried about our social life? |
| 10:59.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 11:00.59 | tim_flatus | joefsoD, on a Sunday? |
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| 11:01.19 | joefsoD | no, not only sunday |
| 11:01.33 | liable | if you hang out on irc, your'e a bit late to be wondering |
| 11:01.35 | liable | :) |
| 11:01.43 | phrozen77_ | :P |
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| 11:02.11 | joefsoD | i'm having dinner a.t.m |
| 11:02.39 | phrozen77_ | eating pizza in front of pc != dinner |
| 11:02.40 | phrozen77_ | :P |
| 11:02.47 | liable | sounds kinky |
| 11:02.59 | liable | phrozen77_: i beg to differ |
| 11:03.04 | infinity0 | you are talking about actual eating and actual pizza right? |
| 11:03.09 | infinity0 | not "eating the pizza" |
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| 11:03.34 | liable | does "eating the pizza" have a meaning i am not aware of? |
| 11:03.45 | phrozen77_ | apparently |
| 11:03.50 | phrozen77_ | but youre not the only one |
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| 11:04.54 | joefsoD | infinity0, your correct |
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| 11:05.17 | infinity0 | \m/ |
| 11:07.23 | liable | tim_flatus: are you a koala? |
| 11:08.00 | tim_flatus | liable, you wanna choke a koala now? |
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| 11:08.37 | liable | tim_flatus: they are pretty tasty little critters |
| 11:08.46 | phrozen77_ | or choke on a koala? |
| 11:09.05 | liable | where did the choke reference come from btw? |
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| 11:09.30 | tim_flatus | liable, it's not pepsi |
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| 11:10.37 | liable | tim_flatus: but it is indeed the lifeblood of our conflagerancy |
| 11:11.04 | liable | tim_flatus: i think i want some of that coffee |
| 11:12.20 | liable | coffee popsicle in the morning |
| 11:12.39 | phrozen77_ | ftw |
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| 11:13.02 | tim_flatus | nice :D |
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| 11:24.11 | khaleel5000 | hello , i have debian etch stable (rc0) , i just installed it , my issue is that I cant halt as a non-root user (my user login is khaleel , and my /etc/sudoers is http://rafb.net/p/PDOLCu45.html |
| 11:24.24 | khaleel5000 | i can sudo apt-get install etc but not halt/reboot |
| 11:25.12 | khaleel5000 | i have even as a root added khaleel to all groups including root (via kde user manager) but no success |
| 11:25.42 | tim_flatus | khaleel5000, you have to be root to halt |
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| 11:27.25 | tim_flatus | khaleel5000, can you not just log into root shell using su? |
| 11:28.22 | khaleel5000 | tim_flatus: yup, i cant sudo halt or sudo reboot (via a non-root user khaleel) . I used same /etc/sudoers in etch (frozen one ) and could sudo halt as a non-root (its a fresh install , just copied sudoers and fstab from frozen to the stable one) |
| 11:28.56 | khaleel5000 | tim_flatus: well i was asking because i have done it , i can su then halt |
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| 11:29.56 | tim_flatus | khaleel5000, OK. Have you noticed problems with any other apps that need to be sudo? |
| 11:30.34 | khaleel5000 | not yet (just installed an hr ago |
| 11:30.36 | khaleel5000 | but no |
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| 11:32.01 | khaleel5000 | used sudo to copy[from root folder to my home folder] , connect to internet , apt-get , all fine [just to mention i am a single user on this pc ] |
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| 11:33.07 | newbi12 | modprobe uvcvideo... put in webcam an I get some lines.uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device <unnamed> (046d:08ce) but isnt it suppose to create a device too? like /dev/video0 ? |
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| 11:33.43 | tamiya | Hey guys |
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| 11:34.23 | tim_flatus | khaleel5000, AFAIR you only need to be in sudo group to sudo. I know I need to be in stb-admin for some sysadmin GUIs in Gnome. |
| 11:34.28 | tamiya | In my Gnome desktop, in the Applications->System Tools menu, I have an item that no longer exists. How do I remove the 'shortcut' ? |
| 11:34.56 | tim_flatus | tamiya, right-click the Start-Here foot icon |
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| 11:36.03 | tim_flatus | tamiya, there is an option to Edit Menus. Find the offending entry and untick it. |
| 11:36.11 | tamiya | tim_flatus: yay!!!! thanks a bunch!!!! |
| 11:36.23 | tamiya | i could not have figured it out on my own |
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| 11:37.03 | tim_flatus | tamiya, I know, I only figured that out a couple of months ago after lots of headscratching. |
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| 11:37.36 | tamiya | if only the individual menu items were 'right-clickable' |
| 11:37.43 | tim_flatus | tamiya, if you need more control try installing alacarte |
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| 11:38.24 | tamiya | tim_flatus: alacarte is already installed. i tried alacarte but couldnt figure that out too |
| 11:38.41 | tim_flatus | tamiya, they are, but you only get the options to copy to panel or desktop |
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| 11:39.13 | tamiya | hmmm... i swear alacarte didn't look that easy the other day :) |
| 11:39.42 | tamiya | i have learnt something today so i am happy |
| 11:39.53 | tim_flatus | :) |
| 11:40.17 | tamiya | who wants to give me a Linux sysadmin job? ;) |
| 11:40.58 | troubled | WTS 1 Linux sysadmin job |
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| 11:41.07 | troubled | lfg wc |
| 11:41.11 | troubled | ;) |
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| 11:42.15 | tim_flatus | troubled, nc |
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| 11:42.48 | troubled | tim_flatus: nc? |
| 11:43.07 | tamiya | i vaguely remember that nc command |
| 11:43.19 | tim_flatus | troubled, no comprenas: excess acronym alert! |
| 11:43.36 | tamiya | netcat |
| 11:44.21 | xingu | tamiya: sometimes, "update-menus" fixes that sort of nonsense too. |
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| 11:45.27 | tamiya | xingue: thanks, I will add that to my 'Linux notes' cheat sheet |
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| 11:46.36 | gynterk | debian, cupsys 1.2.7-4. log: http://pastebin.com/m1cb84042, it just says printer has timed out :S |
| 11:47.37 | Coweater | does "aptitude search" only take one argument? |
| 11:47.48 | tamiya | Any real Linux sysadmins out there? Do you guys have your own set of notes you written up because you can't remember commands/configuration files/how-to and the instructions on the internet can be inaccurate? |
| 11:48.30 | tamiya | Thats what I do... i can't remember too much so i write it in my 'linux notes' cheat sheet |
| 11:48.48 | g6o31 | hello world |
| 11:48.51 | geo-rge | good |
| 11:48.55 | xand | I just remember things |
| 11:49.00 | geo-rge | any way you can learn/remember is good |
| 11:49.07 | Coweater | man pages are generally up to date |
| 11:49.29 | geo-rge | I just remember people and places... hey! together we remember all nouns! |
| 11:49.38 | g6o31 | i'm remastering a debian etch iso. i will have to customize some package like debian-installer, deboostrap, ... At the moment, i created an iso which boot. The install process starts but when comes the base install step, it couldn't find a kernel !! |
| 11:49.54 | g6o31 | has someone here already done a debian custom cd ? |
| 11:50.07 | tamiya | Coweater: most man pages are difficult to read for a beginner, and they don't simple examples to start you off with |
| 11:50.22 | geo-rge | g6o31: the debian-cd people have |
| 11:50.38 | geo-rge | "custom" is a relative term :P |
| 11:51.10 | tim_flatus | tamiya, it's recommended practice to make notes. I do it for stuff I know I'm going to have to repeat sometime. I often end up writng my own documentation. |
| 11:51.34 | g6o31 | geo-rge, where can i find the debian-cd people |
| 11:52.02 | xand | actually we have a wiki at work for stuff like that |
| 11:52.06 | geo-rge | maybe #debian-boot? |
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| 11:53.04 | tamiya | i was beginning to think i was the only one that couldnt remember things |
| 11:53.09 | tamiya | ;) |
| 11:53.11 | geo-rge | g6o31: probably you have to build your own debian-installer and put that on a cd as a starting point |
| 11:53.19 | tim_flatus | g6o31, you want to check out cdd ( Custom Debian Distribution) |
| 11:53.39 | geo-rge | tamiya: you can... you just have to fail to tell yourself you can't |
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| 11:55.11 | tamiya | i get into conversations with my managers/team leaders and its embarrasing when i cant recall a critical part of my proposed 'solution' |
| 11:55.16 | tamiya | makes me look like a foot |
| 11:55.18 | tamiya | fool |
| 11:55.20 | tamiya | ;) |
| 11:55.38 | geo-rge | hey!! I'm not a fool and you don't look like a foot! |
| 11:56.24 | geo-rge | sheesh... some people... |
| 11:57.10 | tamiya | geo-rge: you drink too much :) |
| 11:57.33 | geo-rge | yeah, I do have to pee... but where's the rest of my water? |
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| 11:59.16 | geo-rge | damn... I always lose at solitaire when I play by myself... |
| 12:00.10 | tim_flatus | geo-rge, face it, a wet bird never flew on one wing. |
| 12:00.38 | geo-rge | I've never heard that one... |
| 12:01.13 | tim_flatus | It really is one of the most useful mindless aphorisms I know ... |
| 12:01.46 | tim_flatus | You can apply it to pretty much any situation. |
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| 12:02.58 | xingu | tim_flatus: never say never - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Chicken_Gun |
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| 12:04.23 | liable | airlines and train companies use that |
| 12:05.19 | liable | the english complained once that there chickens kept smashing their train windows, they later realised they were supposed to defrost them |
| 12:05.56 | xingu | myth, destroyed on snopes and on that link. :) |
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| 12:06.16 | tim_flatus | xingu, I have a friend who used to do same job as Robbie. I'll have to ask him about that. |
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| 12:07.49 | tim_flatus | xingu, and anyway, I don't think that counts as 'flying' |
| 12:07.51 | gynterk | uhmh |
| 12:07.55 | gynterk | my debian is broken :( |
| 12:08.24 | tim_flatus | gynterk, the good news is ... you get to keep all the pieces. :) |
| 12:08.44 | tim_flatus | gynterk, more than just the printer? |
| 12:08.55 | gynterk | mc got graphical errors |
| 12:08.58 | gynterk | sec |
| 12:09.01 | gynterk | i'll post screenshot |
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| 12:12.35 | Noborusan | need help |
| 12:12.44 | liable | tim_flatus: its as close as a chicken will get |
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| 12:13.08 | gynterk | http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6302/puttymcgy3.jpg |
| 12:13.16 | Noborusan | in /var/www, i dont have a index file,but in /var/www/html,but how come its accessable by http://myip/index.html ? |
| 12:13.25 | gynterk | i'm using putty & winxp |
| 12:13.37 | tim_flatus | liable, I've seen a chicken fly. Normally they clip their wings |
| 12:13.43 | gynterk | http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2371/puttymc2ll4.jpg theres another one |
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| 12:13.47 | liable | Noborusan: its the default apache one? |
| 12:13.57 | Noborusan | liable, i think so |
| 12:14.05 | liable | tim_flatus: bah, i knew you were going to say that |
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| 12:14.29 | liable | Noborusan: so whats the problem? |
| 12:14.35 | xingu | tim_flatus: I used to raise them, it's more of a manic hover than flight |
| 12:14.40 | abrotman | Noborusan: default redirect .. check your config |
| 12:14.45 | gynterk | any ideas about those graphical errors ? |
| 12:14.47 | xingu | tim_flatus: they sure as shit can't soar |
| 12:14.53 | tim_flatus | xingu, conceeded |
| 12:14.57 | Noborusan | oh,found it DocumentRoot "/var/www/html" in httpd.conf |
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| 12:17.08 | tim_flatus | gynterk, I don't use mc, so I'm not sure what I'm looking at. |
| 12:17.38 | gynterk | http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/thumb/2/2f/Midnight-commander-file-browser.png/700px-Midnight-commander-file-browser.png |
| 12:17.43 | gynterk | it should look like this |
| 12:19.05 | Noborusan | strange,i canot make it work |
| 12:19.19 | gynterk | restarted apache? |
| 12:19.32 | gynterk | also check sites-enabled default |
| 12:19.50 | Noborusan | in the main httpd.conf,i have just changed DocumentRoot to "/var/www/mrtg" |
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| 12:20.11 | Noborusan | in physically, there are many index.html file in /var/www/mrtg |
| 12:20.17 | Noborusan | but from web, nothing has changed |
| 12:20.28 | gynterk | you use firefox? |
| 12:20.33 | gynterk | shift+f5 |
| 12:20.35 | Noborusan | gynterk, yes,restarted |
| 12:20.40 | liable | Noborusan: apache 1 or 2? |
| 12:20.47 | Noborusan | apache 1 |
| 12:20.47 | abrotman | liable: i think that ricardo guy finally got fixed up |
| 12:20.56 | liable | abrotman: ah, cool |
| 12:21.02 | abrotman | i thnik |
| 12:21.07 | gynterk | but also check sites-avaiable/default |
| 12:21.16 | gynterk | maybe it over-runs doc root |
| 12:21.35 | liable | gynterk: apache 1 doesnt have sites available |
| 12:21.45 | gynterk | ah yes ofc |
| 12:21.46 | gynterk | :P |
| 12:21.47 | tim_flatus | gynterk, OOMD. Sorry. |
| 12:21.53 | abrotman | Noborusan: default redirect .. check your config |
| 12:21.54 | gynterk | i use cherokee :P |
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| 12:22.29 | liable | Noborusan: check your apache log, if you have the document root set correctly, then it should say why its redirecting |
| 12:23.31 | Noborusan | let me check |
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| 12:25.51 | Noborusan | strange |
| 12:25.54 | Noborusan | it says File does n |
| 12:25.54 | Noborusan | ot exist: /var/www/html/mrtg/index.htm |
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| 12:26.22 | Noborusan | in httpd.conf, it is set DocumentRoot "/var/www/mrtg" |
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| 12:26.59 | liable | yes, but do you have an index.htm ? |
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| 12:27.18 | Noborusan | liable, you still dont get me |
| 12:27.30 | Noborusan | i do not have /var/www/html/mrtg |
| 12:27.36 | Noborusan | the mrtg is under /var/www |
| 12:27.44 | Noborusan | so i set it up in httpd.conf |
| 12:27.49 | liable | oh, yes, i did miss that |
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| 12:28.04 | Noborusan | but apache says it doesnt find /var/www/html/mrgt..hmmm |
| 12:28.13 | Noborusan | how strange,any idea ? |
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| 12:28.23 | geo-rge | what happens when you visit /mrtg |
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| 12:28.33 | liable | paste your conf file |
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| 12:28.54 | abrotman | Noborusan: where does it go ? |
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| 12:29.19 | Noborusan | abrotman, the mrgt folder is located in /var/www/ |
| 12:29.28 | abrotman | Noborusan: did you fix the default redirect yet ? |
| 12:29.40 | Noborusan | but apaches tries to find it /var/www/html/mrgt |
| 12:29.49 | liable | paste your conf file |
| 12:29.50 | Noborusan | abrotman, i dont find that thing in httpd.conf |
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| 12:30.01 | abrotman | /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 12:30.08 | liable | apache1 |
| 12:30.12 | Noborusan | abrotman, i use apache1 |
| 12:30.24 | abrotman | still might be such a setting |
| 12:30.51 | abrotman | look in your apache log to see what it's trying to do |
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| 12:31.31 | pa7iQ | can somebody help me, my dvdrom periodically keeps freezing the system for 2 seconds. the error logs: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47092 |
| 12:31.36 | vlt | Hello. I need to edit a ps/pdf file. I want to replace images, crop the size and remove elements. What tool is available in Debian Etch for this tasks? |
| 12:31.56 | abrotman | pa7iQ: try adding DMA to the drive .. or it's dying |
| 12:32.09 | pa7iQ | it worked perfectly under windows |
| 12:32.49 | pa7iQ | dma was on by default, and it turned off, according to the log |
| 12:32.59 | geo-rge | use windows then |
| 12:33.00 | liable | mt box worked perfectly untill it died as well :P |
| 12:33.08 | pa7iQ | hehe |
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| 12:33.39 | blubberdiblub | pa7iQ: yeah, the kernel does that when it detects it has problems accessing the drive via DMA. but that may have a multitude of causes |
| 12:33.43 | geo-rge | seriously... you do have that choice |
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| 12:34.11 | blubberdiblub | pa7iQ: you could work around it turning DMA off for the drive in the first place |
| 12:34.36 | blubberdiblub | pa7iQ: or does it still get stuck when DMA is off? |
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| 12:35.17 | pa7iQ | hde: DMA disabled , so it's disabled now and still |
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| 12:37.57 | geo-rge | maybe you should consider testing the drive to see if it is in fact failing... in addition, now might be a REALLY REALLY good time to back up |
| 12:38.15 | geo-rge | before you cannot. |
| 12:38.21 | blubberdiblub | pa7iQ: and your board has more than 2 ide connectors? or is it a pci card controller your cdrom is connected to? in the latter case, i would check if the controller is recognized and utilized correctly |
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| 12:38.50 | pa7iQ | the board has 1 ide connector, with a HDD and dvd-rw connected |
| 12:38.57 | geo-rge | wait, this is for a cdrom drive?? |
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| 12:39.23 | pa7iQ | the problematic drive is a dvd-rom, yes :) |
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| 12:39.24 | blubberdiblub | pa7iQ: hmm, i wonder why it got assigned to hde then and not to hdb |
| 12:39.25 | pa7iQ | not a hdd |
| 12:40.25 | geo-rge | oh, then backing up is probably not necessary... but when is the feeling you're fully backed up not a good one? |
| 12:40.40 | pa7iQ | there is also a sata HDD attached, as sda. the cdrom was hda earlier, with a sysrescuecd |
| 12:41.28 | blubberdiblub | pa7iQ: well, hda or hdb sounds more correct for a system that has only 1 ide connector ... but it may be just me |
| 12:41.40 | xingu | geo-rge: if you're feeling fully backed up, you probably need more fibre in your diet |
| 12:42.08 | Noborusan | i m not sure if mrtg is working http://www.my-ehome.net/mrtg/ |
| 12:42.15 | pa7iQ | yes, I don't know why aren't they hda and hdb, they are hde and hdf... |
| 12:42.17 | geo-rge | blubberdiblub: right, and if that's the case the driver is altered or malfunctioning |
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| 12:42.49 | geo-rge | but would dmesg answer the question of why hde was used? |
| 12:43.05 | Noborusan | hmm why it still says configure /etc/snmp/snmpd.local.conf ? |
| 12:43.55 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: the letter doesn't matter in the slightest |
| 12:44.33 | geo-rge | can the driver assign a different letter like that? |
| 12:44.36 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: yes, i know, but it doesn't feel normal. i'm used to enumeration starting at hda ;) |
| 12:44.37 | pa7iQ | hda_codec: Unknown model for AD1988, trying auto-probe from BIOS... |
| 12:44.54 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: could be the controller scan order ? |
| 12:45.06 | geo-rge | did the letter somehow get separated from the actual device? |
| 12:45.33 | geo-rge | so if you have hde, would the other drive be hdf? |
| 12:45.43 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: leaving out hda/b/c/d completely? hmm ... maybe it's rather due to udev ;) |
| 12:45.50 | pa7iQ | hdf is the HDD where linux is |
| 12:46.05 | abrotman | it really doesn't matter WRT his issue |
| 12:46.11 | pa7iQ | yes, there is no hda/b/c/d |
| 12:46.35 | geo-rge | and if any of this is the case, would that mean the ide was somehow set that way in the bios (by its port addr and irq maybe)? |
| 12:46.45 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: okay, i hope you're right |
| 12:46.54 | liable | device.map may shed some light, or blame udev, but it doesnt change the fact its a drive/driver issue |
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| 12:47.13 | Noborusan | now i do ifconfig -a,there is new device named 7922 ,hmmm |
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| 12:47.32 | pa7iQ | if I boot with sysrescuecd, they are hda/b |
| 12:48.21 | geo-rge | isn't that a bad thing if you were to try to boot? are there operating systems on f/b? |
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| 12:49.54 | pa7iQ | the only other thing is a sata HDD, sda |
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| 12:50.28 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 12:50.30 | pa7iQ | ide0: JMB361 Bus-Master DMA disabled (BIOS) - but I didn't disable anything in bios |
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| 12:51.12 | geo-rge | pa7iQ: maybe you should check to see if it's disabled |
| 12:51.44 | geo-rge | what happened to me recently is my bios battery decided to stop holding a charge |
| 12:52.27 | pa7iQ | ok i'll check the bios. |
| 12:52.56 | geo-rge | maybe you'll find nothing wrong... but at least you will have ruled it out |
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| 12:54.29 | newbi12 | modprobe uvcvideo... put in webcam an I get some lines.uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device <unnamed> (046d:08ce) but isnt it suppose to create a device too? like /dev/video0 ? |
| 12:54.50 | pa7iQ | thanks for the help, later |
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| 12:56.50 | geo-rge | where does debian etch store the configuration for kdm |
| 12:57.14 | abrotman | /etc/kdm/ ? |
| 12:57.23 | Coweater | is there some utility to allow wifi network setup/switching with a gui? |
| 12:57.41 | zamuro | ~/ folder, as well. |
| 12:57.46 | geo-rge | abrotman: found /etc/kde3/kdm |
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| 12:58.14 | abrotman | geo-rge: that's just silly! |
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| 12:58.23 | abrotman | zamuro: for kdm ? |
| 12:58.36 | zamuro | abrotman: Never mind... Lapsus mentis |
| 12:58.52 | abrotman | tardus! |
| 12:59.03 | geo-rge | dr who? |
| 12:59.40 | dvs | that "Tardis" ;-) |
| 12:59.40 | abrotman | college football sucks |
| 12:59.40 | o2T7 | I have this ugly noise in all my microphone recordings ( rec -c2 -r 44100 -s w test.wav ): http://mipropioupload.googlepages.com/test.wav |
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| 12:59.58 | asg | abrotman: you should put it in the /topic |
| 13:00.05 | geo-rge | o2T7: that's your voice! |
| 13:00.08 | geo-rge | just kidding :)( |
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| 13:00.21 | abrotman | asg: i tried ... says i can't change it |
| 13:00.28 | o2T7 | geo-rge: i didn't put it for avoiding that :) |
| 13:00.29 | asg | bugger |
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| 13:00.50 | abrotman | o2T7: machine noise likely |
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| 13:00.55 | geo-rge | what do you mean ugly noise |
| 13:01.01 | o2T7 | abrotman: yes |
| 13:01.09 | abrotman | o2T7: i used to do recording on a Dual CPU with huge fans .. got all kinds of internal noise |
| 13:01.11 | geo-rge | does it sound like your voice only like a kazoo? |
| 13:01.14 | o2T7 | abrotman: the same with voices |
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| 13:01.51 | o2T7 | abrotman: but normal output, to master, without recording, sounds fine. |
| 13:02.02 | abrotman | o2T7: right .. because it's not recording :) |
| 13:02.08 | o2T7 | yes, when recorded, I am a robot |
| 13:02.14 | abrotman | mr roboto! |
| 13:02.31 | o2T7 | abrotman: so is there no solution? just another hardware? |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | o2T7: do you have another mic or sound card to try? or can you maybe move the sound card slot ? |
| 13:02.54 | o2T7 | Probably it even sounds the same if i plug another card. |
| 13:02.55 | geo-rge | I use a breakout box with two pro mic preamps |
| 13:03.04 | o2T7 | abrotman: yes, i have. |
| 13:03.09 | o2T7 | some old ones |
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| 13:03.32 | abrotman | try another sound card and/or mic |
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| 13:04.00 | o2T7 | The same happens with voip, everybody says that they hear me too low |
| 13:04.16 | geo-rge | then raise the pitch of your voice :) |
| 13:04.29 | o2T7 | I tried two different mics, but the same with both |
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| 13:04.41 | geo-rge | not loud enough you mean? |
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| 13:05.09 | o2T7 | geo-rge: yes, with voip my voice is not enough loud |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | and the mic level is all the way up ? |
| 13:05.33 | o2T7 | And sometimes, very rare ones, like a robot for a second |
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| 13:06.10 | o2T7 | abrotman: yes, i got crazy changing levels and capture source searching for the problem |
| 13:06.27 | abrotman | crazy! |
| 13:06.28 | john_doe | how do I get thunderbird 2 for etch? |
| 13:06.39 | o2T7 | Also tried turning off pcm or master for not feeding bask |
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| 13:06.47 | o2T7 | back* |
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| 13:07.27 | Noborusan | does anyone know,in mrtg.cfg, can we specify more than one WorkDir for mrtg to monitor ? |
| 13:07.49 | Noborusan | i would like it to monitor my clients' sites |
| 13:08.06 | lordrich | john_doe: just aptitude install thunderbird |
| 13:08.07 | geo-rge | maybe you have to have separate instances |
| 13:08.18 | lordrich | although it's now icedove, so it'll install that instead |
| 13:08.26 | Noborusan | geo-rge, for me ? |
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| 13:09.05 | geo-rge | I ran mrtg once before |
| 13:09.05 | john_doe | lordrich: it's version 1.5 |
| 13:09.09 | abrotman | john_doe: it's called icedove |
| 13:09.18 | john_doe | abrotman: cool, thanks |
| 13:09.31 | abrotman | !info icedove etch |
| 13:09.33 | dpkg | icedove: (free/unbranded thunderbird mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.5.0.12.dfsg1-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 10621 kB, Installed size: 30716 kB |
| 13:09.52 | abrotman | oh .. i guess it is 1.5 |
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| 13:12.52 | thor | hi.. i'm trying to setup ata over ethernet on a couple of debian servers.. it seems that vblade does not work with vlan interfaces.. tried to google, but found nothing.. is it known limitation or am i doing something wrong? |
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| 13:15.46 | Arafangion | thor: Why do you want ata over ethernet? |
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| 13:17.16 | thor | because i have two drives in two servers (total 4 drives) that are in raid5.. i need to mount them on a third machine.. |
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| 13:23.57 | shmho | hm.. it's so quiete. |
| 13:24.23 | abrotman | *BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURP* |
| 13:24.25 | abrotman | better ? |
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| 13:24.37 | shmho | :) |
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| 13:25.46 | Noborusan | net-snmp == libnet-snmp-perl ? |
| 13:25.57 | asg | Noborusan: no, the latter are the perl bindings |
| 13:26.06 | Noborusan | okay |
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| 13:34.08 | Noborusan | hi asg |
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| 13:34.21 | asg | hi Noborusan |
| 13:34.38 | coder_5 | hi debian folks! i have debian sarge on a vserver, and syslog somewhen stopped working some months ago. (i run a default installation with no services at all) i looked around and did not found /sbin/syslogd nor /etc/init.d/syslogd .. could these box being hacked?? |
| 13:34.44 | Noborusan | asg, may i ask, in mrgt,can i have more than WorkDir so that it will monitor different virtualmatchine ? |
| 13:35.09 | Noborusan | asg, in my system, each virtual host client is put in /home/name |
| 13:35.19 | coder_5 | ..or is there some packed to (re)install syslogd ? |
| 13:35.25 | asg | Noborusan: I'm not sure offhand, I've moved to using rrdtool and custom scripts as well as munin and cacti in recent years. |
| 13:35.27 | OhMyGods | who can help me? I'm recompile a source , the compiler say: "cannot find -lz". but I have installed the zlibc |
| 13:35.29 | coder_5 | package i mean |
| 13:35.41 | asg | OhMyGods: do you have the -dev package for the lib? |
| 13:35.48 | Noborusan | asg, :( okay |
| 13:36.01 | asg | OhMyGods: i.e., zlib1g-dev |
| 13:36.07 | OhMyGods | asg:what's package name? |
| 13:36.16 | OhMyGods | asg: than you. |
| 13:36.28 | asg | Noborusan: I expect you could run multiple configs and run separate instances of mrtg though |
| 13:36.39 | OhMyGods | asg:Let me try it. |
| 13:37.21 | Noborusan | asg, huh,be more specific please ? |
| 13:37.57 | geo-rge | it's exactly as I suggested about a half hour ago... run more than one mrtg, one per dir |
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| 13:38.21 | asg | Noborusan: multiple cron jobs, multiple mrtg.cfg files to do what you need. |
| 13:38.40 | asg | geo-rge: sorry, didn't see your previous suggestion |
| 13:38.45 | Noborusan | hmmm |
| 13:39.25 | geo-rge | asg/Noborusan: no worries |
| 13:39.40 | Noborusan | geo-rge, :) ? |
| 13:39.59 | harpal | I have compiled kernel and then I have made initrd image using mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18.1 2.6.18.1 and now I am booting in to that kernel but I got acpi_low_level_read kernel panic attempted to kill init |
| 13:40.16 | geo-rge | put specific, informative, concise, complete question before "?" please :) |
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| 13:40.40 | dimm0k | a usb drive with the fat32 filesystem was removed without unmounting and now the fat is corrupt so no data is showing... any suggestions? |
| 13:40.41 | asg | Noborusan: for example, you have /etc/mrtg.cfg that is driven by /etc/cron.d/mrtg. You could create /etc/mrtg2.cfg with your new config and add an almost identical line in /etc/cron.d/mrtg to use the new /etc/mrtg2.cfg |
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| 13:41.11 | geo-rge | it's like in person, when you give me a certain look I'm supposed to interpret it exactly (like one girl reads another's face) |
| 13:41.35 | Noborusan | asg, remarkable ! Thanks ,let me try :) |
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| 13:42.31 | geo-rge | there are these 20 movies that describe ideas like this... |
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| 13:45.49 | abrotman | dimm0k: don't do that again |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | i think there are some vfat rescue tools in debian |
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| 13:47.30 | en1gma | !bugzilla |
| 13:48.03 | en1gma | i need to find if there is a problem...what is debian bugzilla site to find a bug and maybe a fix |
| 13:48.14 | en1gma | btw morning all |
| 13:48.42 | liable | bugs.debian.org |
| 13:49.05 | en1gma | thnx |
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| 13:50.30 | shadow-maker | THE BLOOP WILL GET YOU |
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| 13:51.41 | geo-rge | see reruns of "Lost in Space" to find out what a bloop is |
| 13:52.10 | dvs | geo-rge: I know about Betty Bloop! ;-) |
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| 13:52.40 | geo-rge | no, that's bletty boop |
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| 13:54.47 | Nielsen | betty boob? |
| 13:55.06 | geo-rge | effectively, yew |
| 13:55.08 | geo-rge | s |
| 13:55.11 | Nielsen | okay |
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| 13:55.25 | en1gma | can someone help me find a bug report that most likely got fixed with a driver module patch? i have found info in google about it but i cant find it in bugzilla...any how the message i get when i boot with this lan card in (digital 21041-pb) = set link 10baseT auto |
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| 13:56.03 | geo-rge | en1gma: were you not just told where the debian bug tracking system is? |
| 13:56.15 | en1gma | and did you not just read that i tried |
| 13:56.15 | harpal | cananyone tell me what should I for that kernel panic |
| 13:56.25 | abrotman | en1gma: it's not bugzilla .. |
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| 13:56.39 | en1gma | well bugs.debian.org i went too |
| 13:56.48 | en1gma | i just called it bugzilla |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | please don't |
| 13:57.07 | abrotman | what's wrong with your message ? |
| 13:57.11 | geo-rge | so the answer to your original question is "no, not right now, maybe later" :) |
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| 13:57.23 | en1gma | abortman cause it keeps going off the hook every 2secs |
| 13:57.34 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:57.36 | en1gma | i dont have X running so i see this message in console all the time |
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| 13:57.45 | abrotman | tried another cable ? |
| 13:57.47 | en1gma | i have to ifcondig eth2 down |
| 13:57.49 | geo-rge | ohh, so this is about -your- system :) I didn't realize that :) |
| 13:57.56 | en1gma | thats without a cable even in it |
| 13:58.08 | en1gma | this is about other peoples system with that same nic |
| 13:58.10 | abrotman | en1gma: what's the actual text ? |
| 13:58.14 | en1gma | google "set link 10baseT auto" |
| 13:58.26 | en1gma | # |
| 13:58.26 | en1gma | eth2: set link 10baseT auto |
| 13:58.26 | en1gma | # |
| 13:58.26 | en1gma | eth2: mode 0x7ffc0000, sia 0x10c4,0xffffef01,0xffffffff,0xffff0008 |
| 13:58.26 | en1gma | # |
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| 13:58.37 | en1gma | sorry |
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| 13:58.45 | en1gma | copied that from pastebin |
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| 13:58.58 | abrotman | so where's the pastebin ? |
| 13:59.01 | en1gma | let me paste the link |
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| 13:59.24 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/677077 <<<< = a config from the other day...i dont have the nic in right now but i can put it back in |
| 13:59.27 | geo-rge | thereyago :) that would be the point of asking people to use pastebins :) |
| 13:59.55 | en1gma | geo-rge negative person this morning are we? |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | why are you even using a DEC card ? they're like 10-15 years old |
| 14:00.13 | abrotman | i've got a stack in my office |
| 14:00.17 | geo-rge | not at all... I'm actually congratulating you for getting the point |
| 14:00.25 | en1gma | i know its pretty old but linux usually works great with old stuff |
| 14:00.53 | geo-rge | that is true |
| 14:00.54 | en1gma | i dont want to go buy another nic if i can get this one to work |
| 14:00.54 | abrotman | en1gma: they worked very well with kernel2.4 .. i replaced them all when 2.6 came along .. they stopped working as well |
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| 14:01.18 | szachista | hi |
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| 14:01.29 | szachista | how can i convert autopackage to debian package? |
| 14:01.32 | en1gma | from what i found on the net there is a kernel module patch that fixes it...but when i try to find the actual patch i cant |
| 14:01.41 | geo-rge | drive it into dpkg? |
| 14:01.45 | abrotman | en1gma: perhaps it's already been applied |
| 14:01.51 | abrotman | en1gma: look at the driver options |
| 14:01.58 | abrotman | en1gma: modinfo tulip will show you some |
| 14:02.10 | en1gma | the info i read was from 2005 and 2006 so i would prob bet yes but wanted to make sure |
| 14:02.12 | geo-rge | these are tulip cards? |
| 14:02.24 | abrotman | geo-rge: yes |
| 14:02.38 | geo-rge | hmm, tulip used to be da shit |
| 14:02.41 | en1gma | well i keep getting that message repeating every 2 secs in console so i have to 'ifconfig eth2 down' |
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| 14:02.50 | harpal | abrotman: can you tell me what should I do for that acpi_low_level_read kernel panic attempted to kill init? I have compiled kernel 2.6.18.1 |
| 14:02.53 | en1gma | can i still do those things you said after that and it will work ok? |
| 14:03.03 | abrotman | harpal: why did you compile it ? |
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| 14:03.10 | abrotman | en1gma: you can try .. |
| 14:03.12 | en1gma | tulip is actually loaded for 2 lne100tx i have in the machine |
| 14:03.18 | hark | szachista: you can't |
| 14:03.24 | harpal | I have to apply a patch on it so |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:03.29 | Shadowcat | hmmm |
| 14:03.36 | en1gma | maybe there is a conflict cause tulip is running on 2 other nics also |
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| 14:03.38 | abrotman | harpal: why not use the debian source ? |
| 14:03.50 | naitram | trying to install app it says needs qt, which package name apt-cache search qt returns a bunch of files |
| 14:04.00 | geo-rge | en1gma: so you're using the same driver successfully for different (but tulip chipset) cards? |
| 14:04.11 | en1gma | abortman i gonna shut the router box off and put that nic in brb |
| 14:04.30 | harpal | I dont know more about that debian source |
| 14:04.40 | asg | naitram: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 14:04.52 | hark | en1gma: does the nic stop working (so you do an ifconfig down) ? |
| 14:04.58 | harpal | but whats the reason that its giving me kernel panic error |
| 14:05.20 | geo-rge | because the kernel is panicking? |
| 14:05.24 | Shadowcat | I love the fact that hauppauge tv capture cards conflict with other sound cards |
| 14:05.24 | naitram | anyone recommend a gui for dvdauthor |
| 14:05.28 | Shadowcat | that's just WONDERFUL |
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| 14:07.15 | naitram | asg: do you mean I have to install kde to get the app to work |
| 14:07.59 | geo-rge | qt is the underlying |
| 14:08.03 | geo-rge | kde lib |
| 14:08.39 | szachista | naitram: what app? |
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| 14:08.50 | asg | naitram: no, you don't have to install kde |
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| 14:09.37 | naitram | szachista: qdvdauthor, a gui for dvdauthor |
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| 14:10.01 | szachista | naitram: you are compiling from sources? |
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| 14:10.39 | szachista | naitram: if so, check out INSTALL file, it should list necessary libraries |
| 14:10.57 | naitram | asg: so what to type dpkg compile kde ?? |
| 14:11.34 | naitram | szachista: yeah, it doesn't. Thats why I am also asking about a dvd authoring with a gui. Any ideas? |
| 14:11.38 | abrotman | Shadowcat: use anther slot ? |
| 14:12.08 | asg | naitram: did you bother looking at the factoid and the wiki article it referenced? |
| 14:12.13 | geo-rge | naitram: there is not an INSTALL file? |
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| 14:12.59 | naitram | geo-rge: yes there is an INSTALL file, it says if you have trouble install qt so, here i am |
| 14:12.59 | geo-rge | what is dvd authoring anyway? |
| 14:13.05 | szachista | naitram: but ./configure script should tell you about libs it depends on |
| 14:13.15 | Noborusan | asg, i tried,it doesn't work :( |
| 14:13.23 | Noborusan | it is a vhost environment btw |
| 14:13.41 | Noborusan | after i do that, mrgt stopped working |
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| 14:14.03 | naitram | asg: yes, it says if you get the problem I am getting install qt, trouble is dont know the exact package name to install and apt-cache search qt yields a whole bunch of files |
| 14:14.24 | geo-rge | naitram: it's kinda hard to get new folks used to building stuff... I'd be willing to do it, but I have expenses, and I'd be charging you |
| 14:14.36 | szachista | naitram: apt-cache search qtlib3 |
| 14:14.41 | asg | naitram: not it says: Make sure you have (at least) libqt3-mt-dev and qt3-dev-tools. If during compilation, the build fails because a file is missing (for example, qlist.h), this means this software is using obsolete headers. Please, report this fact to the developers of this software, and to complete the build, install libqt3-compat-headers. |
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| 14:14.58 | szachista | nacer: no... apt-cache search libqt3 |
| 14:15.05 | geo-rge | naitram: and I charge -double- if you lie about what you read |
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| 14:16.16 | naitram | geo-rge: thanks , qdvdauthor is a front end to a dvd file system creation tool allowing you to burn dvd's that will be recognized by standard dvd players |
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| 14:17.12 | geo-rge | why do you need a front end? |
| 14:17.42 | Nielsen | geo-rge: do you know how to do it without a front end? |
| 14:17.57 | Nielsen | err.... |
| 14:18.01 | Nielsen | *does he |
| 14:18.04 | geo-rge | I don't know how to do it with a front end... |
| 14:18.37 | geo-rge | but if it's a front end to a single program (like xcdroast is to cdrecord), then it ought to be fairly easy |
| 14:19.19 | naitram | asg: my INSTALL file does not say that, mine says if you get this error.... make sure you have qt-devel installed... It doesn't say libqt3.... I downloaded the source tar today from their site. |
| 14:20.05 | asg | naitram: your INSTALL file is not debian specific; we are giving you debian specific instructions. Why are you compiling something instead of using the debian package anyway? |
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| 14:20.57 | naitram | asg: don't need you to build it. Can do myself, know the whole ./configure ,, make install thing. Just did not know what qt-devel was and had dozens of entrys in apt-cache search qt |
| 14:21.02 | parsonsd | ----------------------+ |
| 14:21.12 | geo-rge | in this case we have someone who either lied by not reading something and saying they did or else lied by saying the content was not what was said... which makes it hard to trust their word which wastes time that people like me could be using for other things |
| 14:21.21 | asg | naitram: and the wiki page lists the package you need to install. |
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| 14:22.26 | geo-rge | I find my time valuable. anyone else feel the same way? |
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| 14:23.03 | hark | naitram: would be easier to just get the package from debian-multimedia |
| 14:23.14 | en1gma | abortman here is my latest info http://pastebin.ca/678926 |
| 14:23.28 | Noborusan | asg, it seems mrtg daemon will run one pID at onetime whatever there are more than one cfg is defined in cron.d |
| 14:23.31 | en1gma | i think everything is in there |
| 14:23.44 | Laser | can someone tell me a tool about reading pdf files that resumes session on the page you left a document last time you started the app? |
| 14:23.48 | Nielsen | i do second level tech support for a living - helping people online is easy compared to that |
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| 14:24.06 | geo-rge | Laser: try packages.debian.org |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | en1gma: i told you .. look at the module optons |
| 14:24.13 | abrotman | options |
| 14:24.15 | jeff_hann | Laser, kpdf |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | Nielsen: you're the butthead that yelled at me this week! |
| 14:24.36 | geo-rge | (in other words: no. find it yourself.) |
| 14:24.40 | en1gma | abortman what do you mean by that |
| 14:24.41 | abrotman | Laser: evince |
| 14:24.46 | abrotman | en1gma: modules have options |
| 14:24.47 | Nielsen | abrotman: in danish? |
| 14:25.00 | abrotman | Nielsen: mandarin ? |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:25.03 | en1gma | how do i list em....i know how to modprobe |
| 14:25.06 | Nielsen | abrotman: hai! :D |
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| 14:25.13 | naitram | my apt-cache search qdvdauthor returns nothing, is this a standard package? |
| 14:25.23 | en1gma | brb dog go peepee |
| 14:25.29 | Shadowcat | why the hell it'd scan devices located lower down first is a mystery to me |
| 14:25.48 | asg | Noborusan: see if mrtg can be configured to use separate pids |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | i thought evince did |
| 14:26.13 | Noborusan | asg, i will check that.thanks. |
| 14:26.21 | naitram | geo-rge: you don't need to call me a liar. That will sure as hell just make you look like a prick |
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| 14:26.34 | abrotman | guess not |
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| 14:26.35 | Nielsen | naitram: Package: qdvdauthor Priority: optional Section: graphics Installed-Size: 8104 Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
| 14:26.41 | geo-rge | that would make two of us, wouldn't it? |
| 14:26.43 | Noborusan | asg, by the way,there must has a resolution to let mrtg work on a vhost envt. otherwise this tool is a garbage ,lol :) i think so |
| 14:26.52 | Shadowcat | will you two get a room and continue it in there? |
| 14:27.12 | Shadowcat | most of us actually have legitimate questions ya know |
| 14:27.15 | asg | Noborusan: I don't use vhost, I use OpenVZ personally. |
| 14:27.29 | Noborusan | asg, I see. |
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| 14:27.40 | Nielsen | naitram: deb http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/debian-multimedia/ unstable main |
| 14:28.00 | geo-rge | Shadowcat: I dunno, once he crossed that line, it kinda pissed me off... go figure |
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| 14:28.56 | Matts | are there Debian very small installs for small USB sticks that are fully encrypted by default ? |
| 14:29.13 | abrotman | is that all ? |
| 14:29.18 | en1gma | ok i back |
| 14:29.38 | en1gma | abortman how does one list module options? |
| 14:29.45 | geo-rge | modinfo |
| 14:29.47 | en1gma | are you talking where i would "make" |
| 14:29.51 | naitram | To all who feel that their time has been wasted answering my questions, this is all volunteer, if you have so much to do, except fishing for funds, then go do it. Or, simply don't answer anything that is beneath you |
| 14:29.55 | en1gma | in sources? |
| 14:29.56 | mbroeker | oh no: i have a devcpp splash screen on the screen and it wont get away... |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | naitram: ? |
| 14:30.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:30.44 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 14:30.44 | Laser | abrotman, jeff_hann, geo-rge: thanks you guys |
| 14:31.20 | diafic_ | Halp: How do I tar.gz a directory |
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| 14:31.32 | diafic_ | I need to tar up a directory ~/data |
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| 14:31.51 | geo-rge | naitram: I don't think I would have been so pissed or so forward about it if you had simply said you didn't understand what you were reading... at least then, that would have made a point at which you could have been aided in understanding that part of the process |
| 14:31.56 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/678936 has 'modinfo tulip' in it at bottom now |
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| 14:32.01 | mbroeker | diafic_, tar -cvzf directory.tar -C /var/directory |
| 14:32.03 | naitram | abrotman: some here find my questions to ignorant to be asked / wish to extort money to give answers. I find that abusive and unethical. Very high schoolish, IMHO |
| 14:32.12 | loesh | so, i kinda need to update to kernel 2.6.22. Ia am runing debian etch and the nvidia driver.. what would be the smoothest way to update? |
| 14:32.15 | mbroeker | diafic_, tar -cvzf directory.tar.gz -C /var/directory |
| 14:32.19 | diafic_ | thanks mbroeker |
| 14:32.23 | diafic_ | :) |
| 14:33.08 | mbroeker | diafic_, -C is not needed at any time, but its useful, too... |
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| 14:33.27 | diafic_ | tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive |
| 14:33.29 | diafic_ | :| |
| 14:33.58 | geo-rge | but even before that, it seemed like (1) I'm thinking, "why does he want to build it if it's a package?" and (2) if he wants to build it from nondebian sources, why ask about that here |
| 14:34.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | :D |
| 14:34.03 | en1gma | abortman i think the driver for it = de2104x and i put that 'modinfo de2104x' in this post http://pastebin.ca/678938 |
| 14:34.29 | naitram | geo-rge: no, you assumed I did not read, as I have stated. I did. I even posted what is in my INSTALL file downloaded today. I submit that you got pissed because I did not want or need you to use your valuable time and pay you. Perhaps you are in the wrong place. Maybe their is a consulting firm just begging for your skills. However, I think not. |
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| 14:34.53 | mbroeker | diafic_, yes. sorry, throw the -C option in the trash. its not useful there. my fault. |
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| 14:35.05 | diafic_ | woo! |
| 14:35.07 | heh_v_water | been googling for a while now on this.. I'm trying to add spaces to a string in a shell script so when i echo the variable instead of returning "hi bob" it returns "hi bob" any help would be appreciated |
| 14:35.07 | diafic_ | It rides! |
| 14:35.24 | Shadowcat | naitram: take this argument in PM |
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| 14:35.55 | Shadowcat | the remaining 758 of us aren't really interested |
| 14:35.57 | geo-rge | no, you're asking about building something in a place that has packages which are distributed. so building outside of the debian build systems is probably off topic here, and so you're fair game |
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| 14:36.12 | Shadowcat | again, pm |
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| 14:36.56 | mbroeker | last night i got an emergency call from my former girl friend: "Pc crisis, cannot play any dvd" Come on, repair it. |
| 14:37.04 | naitram | geo-rge: no if you had bothered to read, I also clearly stated that my debian dist list does not contain qdvdauthor, unless of course, i have been lying the whole time to somehow incite you to blast me. |
| 14:37.26 | Shadowcat | mbroeker: so why help the ex? :P |
| 14:37.27 | mbroeker | now i am back... |
| 14:37.49 | mbroeker | Shadowcat, good question. i dont know |
| 14:38.04 | geo-rge | mbroeker: send your current gf to do the repair job :) |
| 14:39.17 | mbroeker | the called my at 7 pm in the morning again and told me that the dvd plays fine now, thx, but i am not able to install openoffice. damn bastard, repair this, too. |
| 14:39.57 | geo-rge | ok, let me get this straight... 7 pm in the morning? |
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| 14:40.29 | mbroeker | so i moved to her and found out: "she wanted to install a bittorrent ooo archive and hasnt any bittorent client on his machine and has never heard about bittorrent... |
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| 14:41.06 | mbroeker | geo-rge, ok. am or pm is morning? |
| 14:41.19 | geo-rge | yes, one of those is morning :) |
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| 14:41.39 | geo-rge | it's am |
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| 14:41.49 | mbroeker | well, ok. |
| 14:42.02 | mbroeker | she called me at 7am in the morning, folks... |
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| 14:44.35 | harpal | thanks a lot to all |
| 14:44.46 | geo-rge | mbroeker: so is she single? if you want to deal with her that's one thing... but if not, someone else from your school/work/pool-of-knowing-folks could try |
| 14:44.54 | en1gma | abortman can you look at this info http://pastebin.ca/678948 and tell me which driver the "Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041" is using? it says tulip in its lspci name but i have 2 more drivers showing up in lsmod that goes to what i dont know. the MII and the de2104x |
| 14:44.56 | Laser | abrotman: are you sure evince resumes from where you closed the document? |
| 14:45.39 | geo-rge | en1gma: de2104x sounds close |
| 14:46.00 | en1gma | thats what i was thinking too but in the lspci output it has "tulip in its name" |
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| 14:46.30 | mbroeker | geo-rge, well, she has some friends, but they all are not familiar with her pc. |
| 14:46.33 | en1gma | "tulip pass3" |
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| 14:47.31 | geo-rge | abrotman: I need a really small debian that installs encrypted on a small usb stick that installs a gui system that includes a pdf reader that watches my eyes to determine where I left off... |
| 14:48.28 | Laser | lol |
| 14:48.37 | geo-rge | oh, and it has no cd drive, no floppy, no hd, no cpu... |
| 14:48.49 | szachista | geo-rge: errr... damn small linux maybe? |
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| 14:49.04 | mbroeker | geo-rge, she asked one of her experts to repair her usb-stick and finally gave me the whole device. The other guys had created a novel netware partition on the stick and the firmware got lost... |
| 14:49.18 | szachista | geo-rge: it's debian-based |
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| 14:49.42 | geo-rge | would that be just the base |
| 14:49.44 | Laser | szachista: he's making fun of me actually. didn't work out :) |
| 14:49.44 | geo-rge | ? |
| 14:50.05 | geo-rge | I'm making fun of at least 3 people :) |
| 14:50.15 | jelly-home | geo-rge: "watches your eyes"? |
| 14:50.15 | AstroGirl | Hi! Is there an option to install KDE instead of Gnome in the initial Etch install? |
| 14:50.21 | szachista | Laser: ohh, i didn't catch the joke :P |
| 14:50.25 | mbroeker | it was an ipod device, ... |
| 14:50.27 | Laser | geo-rge: i wasn't talking about you :) |
| 14:50.48 | geo-rge | Laser: oh, sorry :) |
| 14:50.58 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.13 | dbmoodb | oh running debian if possible :) |
| 14:51.21 | Laser | szachista: good. i still have a chance of having some dignity left |
| 14:51.22 | asg | dbmoodb: you could use an nslu2 |
| 14:51.23 | abrotman | Laser: it remembers where |
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| 14:51.31 | wahjava | hi channel |
| 14:51.33 | abrotman | Laser: at least in the version i'm using |
| 14:51.40 | dbmoodb | asg - what can that handle ? |
| 14:51.43 | geo-rge | AstroGirl: possibly... but you could just leave off the desktop thing until rebooting, and install it then |
| 14:51.47 | wahjava | anybody aware of any UPnP server for Debian Etch ?? |
| 14:51.55 | abrotman | en1gma: use ethtool |
| 14:51.57 | mbroeker | AstroGirl, i had the same problem and managed it by deselecting the X during install |
| 14:51.59 | Laser | abrotman: mine is 0.4.0 |
| 14:52.04 | asg | dbmoodb: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ (I'm running squid, dns, exim, screen, mutt, and other stuff on mine) |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | Laser: ah .. mine is 0.8.3 |
| 14:52.11 | Laser | lol |
| 14:52.14 | mbroeker | AstroGirl, you can apt-get install it later |
| 14:52.15 | Laser | i c |
| 14:52.16 | dbmoodb | oh nice |
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| 14:52.25 | en1gma | abortman i did the 'modinfo de2104x' what exactly am i looking for |
| 14:52.26 | hark | AstroGirl: there's a separate cd1 for KDE or you can skip tasksel and install it manually later |
| 14:52.35 | asg | dbmoodb: the whole system is on a usb stick but you could use usb hd storage if need be. |
| 14:52.37 | abrotman | Laser: anyways .. when you get there .. you'll be able to use it :) |
| 14:52.39 | AstroGirl | Thanks geo-rge & mbroeker - I'll deselect "Desktop environment" and install it manually. :) |
| 14:52.46 | abrotman | en1gma: you'll have to learn what those options do |
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| 14:52.56 | wahjava | Is packages.debian.org down ?? |
| 14:52.59 | Laser | it will be a long development process you know... |
| 14:53.06 | mbroeker | AstroGirl, yes. its the proper way i think. only apps, that you want on your machine... |
| 14:53.10 | geo-rge | AstroGirl: you might also need to include a x server |
| 14:53.12 | abrotman | wahjava: yes |
| 14:53.16 | en1gma | i dont see an "options" in its output |
| 14:53.18 | hark | AstroGirl: or check the boot options install tasks=kde-desktop should get you kde |
| 14:53.23 | en1gma | parameters maybe? |
| 14:53.23 | wahjava | abrotman: |
| 14:53.26 | wahjava | okay |
| 14:53.29 | CharlieKane | Hello, I'm wondering what repositories are safe to add to Etch for non-free multimedia codecs ? |
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| 14:53.37 | geo-rge | abrotman: since when? 3 mins ago? I was just on it |
| 14:53.58 | asg | CharlieKane: the debian-multimedia ones should be fine |
| 14:54.00 | geo-rge | !marillat |
| 14:54.00 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 14:54.01 | abrotman | geo-rge: not here |
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| 14:54.15 | wlnet | is there any driver for Speedtouch 536 v6 gateway? |
| 14:54.16 | AstroGirl | interesting hark, when would I see the boot options? At the very beginning before the graphical installer? |
| 14:54.17 | dbmoodb | asg do you know the watts the thing uses ? |
| 14:54.28 | CharlieKane | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 14:54.29 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 14:54.33 | Laser | packages.debian.org is DOWN |
| 14:54.38 | CharlieKane | ty geo-rge |
| 14:54.38 | asg | dbmoodb: hang on, let me walk upstairs and find out. |
| 14:54.41 | wlnet | sorry, its for USB connection. |
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| 14:54.46 | geo-rge | np |
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| 14:55.19 | hark | AstroGirl: try the Fn keys, one of them should have it |
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| 14:56.04 | alexfranci | why i can't find nvu in apt-cache? |
| 14:56.05 | AstroGirl | ok, looking for that now, hark. thanks |
| 14:56.25 | szachista | alexalex: it's dead project now |
| 14:56.38 | wlnet | alexalex, try Kompozer instead. |
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| 14:57.01 | alexfranci | szachista :-o really??? NVU is dead??? |
| 14:57.09 | szachista | wlnet: i think there is no kompozer package in official repos |
| 14:57.09 | en1gma | i dont have any idea what im looking for...i see the 'modinfo de2104x' output and section called parameters...is that what im supposed to be looking at? |
| 14:57.19 | alexfranci | noooo way. it was great |
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| 14:57.29 | wlnet | szachista, right, i mean download it from its own site. |
| 14:57.29 | szachista | alexalex: it hasn't been updated since 2005 or 2006 |
| 14:57.39 | alexfranci | szachista what can i use to create web pages? |
| 14:57.42 | wlnet | Kompozer is the replacement for NVU. |
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| 14:57.43 | asg | dbmoodb: hmmm, didn't say. It isn't a lot though |
| 14:57.55 | en1gma | is this message im getting distro specific? |
| 14:57.59 | geo-rge | en1gma: when you asked how do you find out about the module, I thought you meant the parameters... no? |
| 14:58.09 | alexfranci | ok thanks wlnet |
| 14:58.12 | szachista | wlnet: no really, it has just fixed some bugts |
| 14:58.19 | Noborusan | i don't find mod_watch for etch :( |
| 14:58.20 | dbmoodb | great ... i'm trying to find the most energy efficient thing and no fecking vendor puts up the details |
| 14:58.20 | asg | dbmoodb: looks like 5 - 7 watts |
| 14:58.26 | dbmoodb | yeah - how do you figure ? |
| 14:58.27 | DustyDingo | is there any alternative for screen, which doesn't need so much resources? i only need detech/atach features |
| 14:58.39 | wlnet | szachista, it is as close to NVU as anything else can get. |
| 14:58.40 | alexfranci | wlnet but kompozer begins with k. that's bad.. |
| 14:58.40 | en1gma | i dont know...i was originally trying to find if there was a module patch for it but abortman said it might have been applied already...so i thinking im looking for info to see if it was applied or not |
| 14:58.44 | krazykit | DustyDingo, dtach, i believe |
| 14:58.50 | asg | dbmoodb: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.arch.embedded/browse_thread/thread/0985f99b84300d86 |
| 14:58.50 | abrotman | en1gma: you could look at the source |
| 14:58.53 | szachista | alexalex: it's not kde ap |
| 14:58.57 | wlnet | alexalex, lol, why is it so? |
| 14:59.03 | hark | AstroGirl: F8 i think |
| 14:59.04 | en1gma | ok 1 min |
| 14:59.04 | geo-rge | en1gma: oh, modinfo doesn't tell you that |
| 14:59.13 | alexfranci | wlnet k --> kde --> BAD VERY BAD |
| 14:59.13 | en1gma | oh no |
| 14:59.15 | alexfranci | :P |
| 14:59.25 | dbmoodb | nice |
| 14:59.29 | DustyDingo | krazykit: ah, nice |
| 14:59.29 | en1gma | what am i doing with the info from modinfo de2104x |
| 14:59.36 | wlnet | alexalex, lol, its a gnome app. |
| 14:59.45 | en1gma | are the parameters compile options? |
| 14:59.56 | geo-rge | well you'll find out what parameters a module accepts when inserted (for one thing) |
| 15:00.10 | dbmoodb | thanks - i heard about the dectop before but yeah ... 8 watts cannot go past that |
| 15:00.15 | asg | dbmoodb: I've been happy with it. Granted, it's a little slow (133Mhz, 32M of ram) but still useable for lots of applications. |
| 15:00.28 | en1gma | you mean when lsmod insert de2104x is done? |
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| 15:00.42 | geo-rge | just before/as it's inserted |
| 15:00.43 | dbmoodb | ah asg you can overclock it to 266 |
| 15:00.46 | en1gma | i mean modprobe insert |
| 15:00.52 | wayoutthere | Hi. I was wondering what is the advantage of Debian over Ubuntu its offspring? |
| 15:00.57 | asg | dbmoodb: you can if you are into that, I'm not enough of a gearhead to bother |
| 15:01.01 | \amethyst | anyone else having problems connecting to PDO? |
| 15:01.02 | szachista | wayoutthere: wanna flamewar? :) |
| 15:01.10 | dbmoodb | ah well - i found debian to be faster |
| 15:01.14 | en1gma | i gonna go read the source that i dloaded with 2.6.22.6 |
| 15:01.16 | en1gma | brb |
| 15:01.21 | hark | wayoutthere: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 15:01.34 | claudio` | Is there a way to get the public key (as ~/.ssh/known_hosts) of an host without getting the password prompt? Just get the key and exit. Can i do it? |
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| 15:01.49 | geo-rge | wayoutthere: ubuntu has more gui things to make things easier... debian, many of those (decreasing tho) you have to manually edit config files |
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| 15:01.53 | dbmoodb | ops |
| 15:02.01 | geo-rge | but it's getting better... |
| 15:02.06 | alexfranci | wlnet i can't find kompozer |
| 15:02.19 | dbmoodb | - try apt-get remove kde |
| 15:02.24 | geo-rge | debian has far more developers than ubuntu has |
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| 15:02.37 | dbmoodb | it's generally more stable (if you run stable) |
| 15:02.38 | wayoutthere | szachista: No I don want a flamewar. There should be no reason that reasonable debate and discussion could and can not take place. |
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| 15:02.44 | wlnet | alexalex, www.kompozer.net |
| 15:03.06 | geo-rge | it's VERY stable if you run stable: once a debian dist becomes stable, IT DOES NOT CHANGE |
| 15:03.13 | szachista | wayoutthere: well, i choose debian over ubuntu becouse of bleeding edge packages in its repositories |
| 15:03.14 | wayoutthere | I was hoping to speed up my AMD semprom with 1 gig of ram laptop by using a different and possibly lighter distro |
| 15:03.18 | geo-rge | except for critical fixes |
| 15:03.47 | dbmoodb | yeah i tried it way - it's i found it faster than ubuntu feisty |
| 15:03.47 | geo-rge | wayoutthere: what are you running on your desktop? |
| 15:03.59 | geo-rge | err the gui on the laptop |
| 15:04.17 | wayoutthere | szachista: I am going to be using this laptop for business and I need to maintain an inventory database on it. Of course I cant find a database yet to use to store inventory on it but I am sure that someone has a GLP GNU one out there that is easy to use. |
| 15:04.24 | geo-rge | kde and gnome are sizable and fairly hungry resourcewise |
| 15:04.27 | \amethyst | claudio`: ssh-keyscan perhaps? |
| 15:04.48 | mbroeker | en1gma, http://rafb.net/p/X1gugy29.html |
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| 15:04.49 | wayoutthere | I am using XFCE and I dont mind it but I feel that there has to be something better. I tried FVWM-CRYSTAL but it crashed a bit |
| 15:04.56 | dbmoodb | ... your laptop has 1gig of ram a sempron cpu - how could that be slow lol |
| 15:05.00 | DustyDingo | krazykit: thanks, dtach was exactly what i was looking for, the MIPS binary needs about 10.5k, while screen,... :) |
| 15:05.11 | en1gma | i see in the de2104x that the driver was released in 2004 and this version is 0.7 |
| 15:05.15 | szachista | wayoutthere: hmm... kexi is easy one |
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| 15:05.20 | wayoutthere | When you download Debian do you need more than just the first disk to get started? |
| 15:05.27 | Noborusan | where i can find libapache-mod-watch ? |
| 15:05.37 | dbmoodb | ah no - i burned only the first disk way |
| 15:05.38 | geo-rge | I'm trying to get kdm to be willing to accept connections from 172.18.* |
| 15:05.43 | wayoutthere | dbmoodb I feel its slow. That may not be true. |
| 15:05.47 | en1gma | so the info i was reading on the net about that message that outputs to my screen every 2secs if from 2005 and 2006 so there prob is a patch for it |
| 15:05.51 | dbmoodb | no really way try debian |
| 15:06.01 | dbmoodb | if you don't like it then change |
| 15:06.04 | wayoutthere | I am thinking about givining it a run. |
| 15:06.05 | claudio` | \amethyst: yes, it works. THX |
| 15:06.14 | dbmoodb | do it |
| 15:06.19 | Noborusan | ok,bye for now |
| 15:06.22 | geo-rge | or, figure out if you don't like what you're already running |
| 15:06.32 | mbroeker | en1gma, did you read my text at the end of the paste? |
| 15:06.35 | dbmoodb | but what level of linux knowledge do you have ? - good sound hacker, noob |
| 15:06.45 | dbmoodb | god |
| 15:06.48 | geo-rge | it's not lighter or heavier if my guess is right on what's slowing you down |
| 15:06.54 | abrotman | en1gma: did you try to ask ##kernel ? |
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| 15:07.12 | en1gma | k gonna go there now |
| 15:07.27 | dbmoodb | abrotman - i did notice a speed difference (i might be silly tho) |
| 15:07.31 | \amethyst | claudio`: you might need -t rsa,dsa for some hosts |
| 15:07.43 | abrotman | dbmoodb: speed difference in what ? |
| 15:07.55 | dbmoodb | ubuntu feisty vs debian etch |
| 15:08.00 | geo-rge | dbmoodb: which arch/subarch are you using? |
| 15:08.03 | wayoutthere | dbmoob: I personally am just okay with computers. I have been running linux for about 5 years and am a network supervisor and security cheif for a financial firm that runs just about everything. |
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| 15:08.06 | claudio` | \amethyst: i used -Ht rsa and it works. THX |
| 15:08.30 | dbmoodb | oh geo- ah amd barton core 2800 |
| 15:08.47 | geo-rge | dbmoodb: amd64? |
| 15:08.48 | dbmoodb | way - how are you just ok lol ? |
| 15:08.54 | dbmoodb | nar - geo - amd athlon xp |
| 15:09.11 | geo-rge | isnt' that a 32bit? |
| 15:09.16 | wayoutthere | I can always learn more and I personally am not that great at coding in C or C++ for any platform. |
| 15:09.19 | dbmoodb | it is |
| 15:09.33 | wayoutthere | Athlon as far as I know is 32 bit but a good 32 bit |
| 15:09.41 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 15:09.53 | geo-rge | wayoutthere: you can code in C to any extent? that puts you pretty far ahead :) |
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| 15:09.59 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 15:10.14 | geo-rge | you know what the preprocesser is? wayyy ahead :) |
| 15:10.36 | abrotman | dbmoodb: oh gotcha |
| 15:10.41 | wayoutthere | oh I can just not as well as the developers I have seen working on most of the linux software or kernels |
| 15:11.05 | dbmoodb | sorry abrot ? |
| 15:11.05 | geo-rge | got any of Holub's stuff? |
| 15:11.10 | wayoutthere | geo-rge: I am sorry but what is the question? |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | dbmoodb: nevermind :) |
| 15:11.40 | geo-rge | one sec, let me compose one that's more on topic |
| 15:12.23 | dbmoodb | noooooooo asg - to ship the dectop it would cost more than the actualy thing |
| 15:12.32 | wayoutthere | There are people I met while on vacation in Italy and in Arizona that totally blew me away with their comp skills |
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| 15:12.46 | geo-rge | ok, what I'm thinking is that your slowdown might be caused by your desktop env |
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| 15:13.02 | geo-rge | this could probably be verified by looking at top for awhile |
| 15:13.11 | dbmoodb | me ? sure |
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| 15:13.56 | wayoutthere | geo-rge You are most likly correct. That is why I have been experimenting with other desktops and such. What I am considering is that once I have my mind made up I can reimage my computer with a flavor of linux that is not bloated. |
| 15:14.42 | wayoutthere | And what id it you need to know about pre-processors? They are pretty much just fancy text manipulation tools that filter the include statements in a program. They can do more though. |
| 15:14.49 | geo-rge | both ubuntu and debian are package-based, so you could set what packages get installed |
| 15:15.20 | geo-rge | wayoutthere: nono, I was just commenting on your level |
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| 15:15.50 | wayoutthere | I am better with hard logic. |
| 15:16.08 | geo-rge | but most importantly, I would want to hand you the keys to your own choice |
| 15:17.19 | geo-rge | I used to use no gnome or kde, but just fvwm2, and then sawmil which became sawfish |
| 15:17.44 | wayoutthere | I have found lately that I use only a ew programs consitently |
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| 15:18.00 | geo-rge | because at that time I had just succeeded getting x on my linux for the first time in 2 years or so of using linux |
| 15:18.03 | wayoutthere | so I like the minimal desktop with just what I use and then if I want something more I know how to get it |
| 15:18.10 | szachista | wayoutthere: so you could try to create your own wayouttherebuntu |
| 15:18.16 | geo-rge | and all I needed was lots of shell windows |
| 15:18.22 | wayoutthere | lol no I have databases to think about |
| 15:18.55 | geo-rge | do you guys use pg or oracle or what |
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| 15:19.48 | wayoutthere | mysql |
| 15:19.50 | wayoutthere | :) |
| 15:19.59 | geo-rge | (please don't say ms access, the true multitasker, where everyone waits for everyone else...) |
| 15:21.06 | geo-rge | for a banking app?? wow |
| 15:21.11 | irwiss | Anyone could point to a howto about properly taking a package from experimental? |
| 15:21.18 | abrotman | !experimental |
| 15:21.19 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 15:21.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:21.20 | geo-rge | that's one hell of a bold move :) |
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| 15:21.37 | wayoutthere | why its for stats not $ |
| 15:21.41 | arc_ | hey how can i formate my disk and check if its any bad blocks or so? |
| 15:21.47 | irwiss | Seen that already :( Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at packages.debian.org. |
| 15:21.52 | abrotman | i wouldn't use mysql where it matters |
| 15:21.58 | abrotman | irwiss: kind of down-ish |
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| 15:22.06 | viller | hi |
| 15:22.14 | viller | how can I find out what my XkbModel is? |
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| 15:23.06 | en1gma | when im compiling a kernel from a remote computer running putty how do i get it to display output when its compiling to the remote computer |
| 15:23.43 | asg | en1gma: use screen so you can re-attach to the terminal |
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| 15:24.02 | en1gma | thats a setting "screen" in putty? |
| 15:24.09 | wols | no. |
| 15:24.10 | wols | !screen |
| 15:24.10 | dpkg | i guess screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 15:24.17 | asg | en1gma: no, that's running the screen program on the remote system |
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| 15:24.40 | en1gma | ewww nice... i thought there was only putty and that was it |
| 15:24.45 | en1gma | googling screen |
| 15:25.02 | asg | no need to google, the factoid just gave you two links |
| 15:25.17 | wols | and especially a way to install screen |
| 15:25.18 | en1gma | sweet |
| 15:25.42 | irwiss | Apt still works with /etc/apt/preferences? Found an article about pulling packages from experimental - but I don't have that file |
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| 15:26.54 | wols | irwiss: it does. but it's very very bad for you to mix debian branches. see !bobbitt |
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| 15:27.41 | mikkelorz | hey guys.. whats the easiest way to read ones ip adress from ifconfig? need only my ip addy in a single line.. nothing else :) |
| 15:28.24 | dbmoodb | ifconfig |grep name of device or just ifconfig ethX |
| 15:28.24 | mikkelorz | been bugging around with grep.. but i still get some trash text.. |
| 15:28.59 | mikkelorz | i need only the ip adress not the whole print |
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| 15:29.01 | wols | mikkelorz: get ipmasq. it does this inside a script. you can nick that code for yourself |
| 15:29.06 | wols | it uses sed/awk iirc |
| 15:29.07 | irwiss | Only testing a more recent version for a bug and removing. I'm running sid already, so I shouldn't have too much dependency problems, right? |
| 15:29.53 | viller | how can I find out what my XkbModel is? |
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| 15:30.33 | CharlieKane | Is there any reason why I can't manage repositories from Adept ? (sections are greyed out) |
| 15:30.52 | wols | viller: what keyboard do you have actually? |
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| 15:31.45 | en1gma | asg so when i install the "screen" program it will make it so my remote putty box will see everything just like i was typing on the host? |
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| 15:32.30 | asg | en1gma: is your remote putty box running debian? |
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| 15:32.41 | en1gma | winxp |
| 15:32.52 | mikkelorz | wols: no dude.. i just want to slice and dice a text string |
| 15:32.58 | mikkelorz | dont need routing |
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| 15:33.28 | wols | mikkelorz: frontunately that package does just that. so you can look at some of its sycripts and nick that part which does this |
| 15:33.37 | wols | I didn't say anywhere you should actually use it |
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| 15:33.59 | \amethyst | mikkelorz: so you've grepped out the line of interest already, right? |
| 15:34.01 | asg | en1gma: what is the host running? |
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| 15:34.06 | john_doe | I need to update alsa (or ) |
| 15:34.12 | john_doe | oops... |
| 15:34.33 | john_doe | I need to update alsa (or at least the drivers) on etch. How can I do that? |
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| 15:34.44 | viller | wols: an Estonian keyboard :D. It has "defender" written on it :D and it's qwerty |
| 15:34.49 | CAiRO | how can i get the identification for a sata device.. like hdparm -i with ide disks? |
| 15:34.49 | wols | en1gma: you see everything even without screen. your initial question is kinda strange and useless. |
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| 15:35.07 | abrotman | CAiRO: dmesg has some data |
| 15:35.18 | mikkelorz | \amethyst: well i was kind of hoping i could.. is there a way of searching numerics like perls: \d? |
| 15:35.19 | asg | CAiRO: sdparm might help |
| 15:35.23 | wols | viller: how many keys? 102 or 104 or 105? usually eruopean keyboards (like my german) has 105 and is therefore pc105) |
| 15:35.46 | CAiRO | asb002: ah, nice, thanks a lot, i didn't know this program exists |
| 15:35.48 | wols | mikkelorz: I told you. sed/awk |
| 15:35.53 | en1gma | well sometimes when i do some commands on the winxp putty box they dont display the output |
| 15:35.57 | asg | CAiRO: it may not work for sata, but worth a shot |
| 15:36.05 | wols | en1gma: which command? |
| 15:36.17 | en1gma | umm what was it...let me think |
| 15:36.42 | CAiRO | asg: seems to work, thanks a lot |
| 15:36.47 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 15:37.05 | \amethyst | mikkelorz: maybe ifconfig eth0 | grep -o 'inet addr:[0-9.]*' | sed -e 's/.*://' |
| 15:37.21 | en1gma | well for example right now if i had a monitor hooked upto the linux box it would be displaying messages about that network adapter....but when i hook to it with the remote putty box those messages dont make it to the remote machine |
| 15:37.38 | \amethyst | mikkelorz: the -o tells grep to only print the part of the line that matched, not the whole line |
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| 15:38.06 | \amethyst | en1gma: maybe make | tee /dev/console |
| 15:38.19 | viller | wols: I don't know how many, I'll try different variants |
| 15:38.34 | en1gma | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 15:39.15 | mikkelorz | \amethyst: thanks a bunch it works like a charm =) |
| 15:39.16 | \amethyst | en1gma: where 'make' is whatever command you were running |
| 15:39.32 | en1gma | everytime one of those messages comes up about the nic i hear the hard drive make a quick little noise...so every 2secs i hear it |
| 15:39.43 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 15:39.54 | wols | en1gma: taiö -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 15:39.57 | en1gma | then i would have to modprobe console? |
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| 15:41.04 | dbmoodb | meow ? |
| 15:41.06 | en1gma | wols that command is showing the message correctly in putty but i cant type |
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| 15:41.22 | wols | cause it only displays |
| 15:41.39 | en1gma | yea that message is still going off the hook every 2 secs :) |
| 15:41.46 | en1gma | and my hard drive too |
| 15:41.49 | wols | what you want is to see your root console output |
| 15:41.55 | en1gma | yea |
| 15:41.56 | wols | what message is it? |
| 15:42.00 | dbmoodb | oh you reminded me wols i need to get itunes open |
| 15:42.08 | dbmoodb | to grab the latest off the hoob |
| 15:42.10 | wols | the | tee /dev/console should've shown you |
| 15:42.10 | dbmoodb | k* |
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| 15:42.24 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/678993 |
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| 15:42.43 | en1gma | but keeps repeating that every 2secs |
| 15:43.04 | wols | and this constantly comes up? what kind of NIC is this eth2? |
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| 15:43.24 | en1gma | its got a "digital 21041-pb" chip on it |
| 15:43.34 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 15:43.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 15:43.49 | en1gma | lspci = 01:06.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 21) |
| 15:44.03 | en1gma | but it is using the de2104x module |
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| 15:44.20 | wastro | can anyone recommend a good m3u player besides totem? |
| 15:44.24 | wastro | with a gnome gui |
| 15:44.28 | wols | invest $5 and get a new NIC :) |
| 15:44.41 | snowbird | what? |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | wastro: rhythmbox? muine? quod libet? |
| 15:45.25 | en1gma | lol |
| 15:45.32 | hardcampa | why not use audacious |
| 15:45.57 | en1gma | well ##kernel told me to build the new kernel 2.6.22.6 and then if it still does it in there to make a bug report |
| 15:45.59 | Althaser | or xmms :) |
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| 15:46.19 | wastro | xmms doesn't seem to work out of the box for internet mp3 radio |
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| 15:46.52 | wastro | nm |
| 15:47.05 | wastro | :) |
| 15:47.09 | wastro | xmms it is |
| 15:47.10 | en1gma | im gonna try and hook my lan to that nic that is giveing that output message and see if it does work at least |
| 15:47.11 | en1gma | brb |
| 15:47.14 | abrotman | hardcampa: for starters ... not in etch |
| 15:47.23 | hardcampa | abrotman what is? |
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| 15:47.28 | abrotman | audacious |
| 15:47.31 | pibe86 | hello, why when a execute gedit in terminal i get this error http://rafb.net/p/71MYJp28.html |
| 15:47.34 | pibe86 | ? |
| 15:47.35 | hardcampa | ehm I got it |
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| 15:48.52 | \amethyst | pibe86: are you in a su or something? Can you run any X programs? |
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| 15:49.02 | viller | I want the output of one command be the argument of another command. How can I compose this? |
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| 15:49.16 | abrotman | xargs |
| 15:49.21 | \amethyst | viller: or `` |
| 15:49.24 | pibe86 | \amethyst, yes, i can run any program |
| 15:49.28 | hardcampa | abrotman I think you misspell or something as it's in etch |
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| 15:49.34 | pibe86 | and i am in su |
| 15:49.45 | pibe86 | i am using gnome |
| 15:49.55 | abrotman | !info audacious etch |
| 15:49.57 | dpkg | audacious: (Small and fast audio player which supports lots of formats), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 736 kB, Installed size: 2352 kB |
| 15:50.00 | abrotman | oh .. so it is! |
| 15:50.05 | hardcampa | =P |
| 15:50.08 | pibe86 | \but i execute gedit and it opens nut shows that error |
| 15:50.13 | pibe86 | but* |
| 15:50.49 | CAiRO | hmm, i've just installed a plextor sata dvd writer and i can see that the kernel finds it when i run dmesg but it don't find any device name in /dev for it.. it's non of the sd* devices i have.. at the same time, i've installed a sata hard disk which got a device name |
| 15:50.49 | viller | \amethyst: ? I don't understand |
| 15:50.52 | CAiRO | what could be wrong? |
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| 15:51.10 | \amethyst | pibe86: try HOME=/original/users/home gedit |
| 15:51.22 | abrotman | CAiRO: maybe /dev/sr ? |
| 15:51.39 | \amethyst | pibe86: "original" meaning the user you su'd from |
| 15:51.46 | CAiRO | /dev/sr doesn't exist either :| |
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| 15:53.03 | hardcampa | CAiRO: why not dmesg|grep PLEXTOR |
| 15:53.12 | hardcampa | should show you what dev it's using |
| 15:53.19 | pibe86 | \amethyst, now i get other error http://rafb.net/p/vgfzg184.html |
| 15:53.26 | abrotman | he already said the kernel sees it |
| 15:53.39 | CAiRO | hardcampa: that's what it returns: Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: DVDR PX-716A Rev: 1.08) |
| 15:54.00 | hardcampa | ok |
| 15:54.16 | \amethyst | pibe86: /other/users/home should be the home directory of the user you su'd from |
| 15:54.29 | \amethyst | pibe86: like HOME=~camilo gedit |
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| 15:55.51 | abrotman | CAiRO: maybe there's no dirver for it yet ? |
| 15:55.58 | abrotman | which doesn't really make sense |
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| 15:56.18 | pibe86 | \amethyst, sorry i did not understand you |
| 15:56.35 | pibe86 | i grite gedit /home/camilo text |
| 15:56.41 | CAiRO | abrotman: the burner is from 2005.. i really hope it has a driver |
| 15:56.55 | \amethyst | pibe86: HOME=/home/camilo gedit filename |
| 15:57.05 | wols | CAiRO: what version is your kernel? |
| 15:57.11 | CAiRO | 2.6.18.. from stable |
| 15:57.35 | \amethyst | pibe86: gnome programs look in the directory specified by the HOME environment variable for the session manager connection |
| 15:57.39 | CAiRO | do i need any special kernel options for sata dvd writers that i don't need from sata hard disks? |
| 15:57.43 | viller | I want the output of one command be the argument of another command. How can I compose this? |
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| 15:57.56 | hardcampa | viller just pipe it |
| 15:58.07 | \amethyst | viller: command2 `command1` |
| 15:58.26 | \amethyst | viller: that runs command1, splits its output into words, and uses them as the arguments to command2 |
| 15:58.59 | CAiRO | do i need scsi cdrom support for sata drives? |
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| 15:59.12 | \amethyst | viller: for example, ls /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 15:59.14 | abrotman | viller: command1 | xargs command2 .. i told you that 15 minutes ago |
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| 15:59.41 | viller | abrotman: you just said xargs and I should instantly understand how it works? |
| 15:59.45 | stoned | apt-get install locksmith |
| 15:59.55 | stoned | locked my keys in the car :( |
| 16:00.02 | abrotman | viller: man xargs would be a good start eh ? |
| 16:00.23 | viller | \amethyst: thanks it worked |
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| 16:00.38 | abrotman | or something like ... ls -l `which bash` for another example |
| 16:00.50 | abrotman | oh .. which \amethyst covered :) |
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| 16:05.12 | dbmoodb | no more meow |
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| 16:05.43 | ctx144k | hello all |
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| 16:06.24 | ctx144k | im using lighttpd with mod-mysql-vhost. but after some hours i get the error: (mod_mysql_vhost.c.350) MySQL server has gone away |
| 16:06.35 | abrotman | has it ? |
| 16:06.38 | ctx144k | it seems to be a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420010 |
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| 16:07.29 | ctx144k | so my question.... can someone explain me the right-debian-way to patch the original-package with that source? |
| 16:07.45 | ctx144k | i dont want recompile my own lighttpd-version |
| 16:08.00 | ctx144k | i mean from lighttpd-webside |
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| 16:09.48 | abrotman | !source |
| 16:09.48 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
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| 16:10.19 | ctx144k | abrotman, thnxs ill try |
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| 16:22.04 | oldboy_ | hi, is there a nice, simple frontend to ffmpeg for kde, i.e. for converting videos? |
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| 16:22.56 | szachista | oldboy_: there is avidemux |
| 16:23.09 | szachista | oldboy_: it is frontend for mencoder, but it can do the same job |
| 16:23.30 | mrrcp | romanp |
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| 16:23.59 | oldboy_ | ok thanks |
| 16:24.19 | szachista | oldboy_: err... and it's not kde app |
| 16:24.27 | szachista | oldboy_: but it's the best one |
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| 16:24.57 | mrrcp | hey how do i set a static ip on debian |
| 16:25.12 | mrrcp | any ideas |
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| 16:27.20 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 16:27.20 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 16:28.47 | omind | hello everybody |
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| 16:35.26 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 16:35.26 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 16:35.32 | fasta | Why does Iceweasel + embedded component often puts Iceweasel in an invalid state(doesn't respond anymore)? Konqueror + same plugin never has this problem. Is this a known issue? Is it just that Iceweasel is so bloated that nobody knows what's exactly wrong? |
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| 16:38.51 | CharlieKane | Dunno, I use Konqueror mostly, I usually only use Iceweasel as a secondary browser... |
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| 16:40.10 | fasta | Firefox <=1.5 was somewhat nice, but anything after that... I don't see why software would become worse over time. |
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| 16:41.21 | CharlieKane | I mostly use firefox only at work, under Windows. |
| 16:41.22 | hyper__ch | hiho, I'm trying to install ascent but I have a problem upon running the config script... it keeps telling me I need automake 1.5 or newer... however I tried now with automake 1.6 to 1.9 and always the same message appeared... |
| 16:41.43 | CharlieKane | Its late here, gnite all. |
| 16:41.52 | sshhhh | hi all! i'm configuring PAM to authentificate with to an OpenLDAP server. All works fine, but, the /etc/pam_ldap.conf must be world readable? It's permissions are 644, and in it are visible the password to bind the LDAP server... |
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| 16:46.47 | \amethyst | sshhhh: if you want normal users to be able to authenticate, they have to be able to authenticate |
| 16:46.48 | blubberdiblub | sshhhh: the password should not be in there. instead it should be in /etc/ldap.secret which should be set accessible by root only |
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| 16:47.11 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 16:48.05 | john_doe | how can I restore the original alsa installation from the etch installation? I have tried to upgrade alsa from cvs, and now sound doesn't work. |
| 16:48.34 | snowbird | have u tried alsa confg |
| 16:48.44 | john_doe | ie, /etc/init.d/alsasound doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:48.44 | sshhhh | blubberdiblub: yes, the rootdn password is in ldap.secret, but the bindn password not :(, is saved in pam_ldap.conf |
| 16:49.27 | john_doe | snowbird: it's not installed |
| 16:49.33 | snowbird | ok |
| 16:49.57 | sysop2 | hi guys |
| 16:50.21 | sshhhh | \amethyst, so, it must be world readable, isnt it? |
| 16:50.25 | blubberdiblub | sshhhh: well, you can't avoid that. maybe you can restrict access in other ways. like blocking the ldap ports for outside networks |
| 16:50.53 | sysop2 | automatix cant find my debian version but when I cat /etc/debian_version it says 4.0 and the error says its for debain 4.0r0 only |
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| 16:51.06 | sshhhh | blubberdiblub, ok, i'll think about this |
| 16:51.20 | sshhhh | blubberdiblub, \amethyst , thanks a lot : ) |
| 16:51.34 | Dwayne_ | when i do a whats my ip i get my internal ip address, what is wrong? |
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| 16:52.16 | wols | where are you looking for your IP? |
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| 16:52.31 | wols | your IP seems to be 64.42.247.120 |
| 16:52.34 | Dwayne_ | with whats my ip address website |
| 16:52.39 | Dwayne_ | that correst |
| 16:52.41 | Dwayne_ | correct |
| 16:52.56 | Dwayne_ | but this website gives me my internal ip |
| 16:53.07 | hark | sysop2: automatix is not supported here, what are you trying to install? |
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| 16:53.29 | john_doe | snowbird: do you know how to get it? |
| 16:53.49 | snowbird | get alsa |
| 16:53.50 | snowbird | ? |
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| 16:54.13 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
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| 16:54.14 | abrotman | haha |
| 16:54.22 | d34dh4ck | howdy |
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| 16:54.23 | john_doe | snowbird: alsa-config |
| 16:54.24 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:54.24 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 16:54.25 | snowbird | john_doe, apt get? |
| 16:54.46 | john_doe | snowbird: yes, but apt-get what? |
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| 16:55.04 | en1gma | when i do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' it reports my processor as family type 6 when i think i have a family type 7. here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/679064 |
| 16:55.08 | snowbird | read what was typed how to get alsa |
| 16:55.44 | en1gma | my processor is an xp2600+ |
| 16:55.44 | snowbird | as root alsaconf setts alsa |
| 16:55.56 | blubberdiblub | Dwayne_: try http://checkip.dyndns.com/ |
| 16:56.02 | sysop2 | hi hark. just trying to upgrade my flash |
| 16:56.03 | dbmoodb | !feck |
| 16:56.03 | dpkg | somebody said feck was fuck in irish |
| 16:56.08 | mrrcp | how can i type in command to see what my ip is |
| 16:56.08 | mrrcp | ? |
| 16:56.15 | john_doe | snowbird: I don't have alsaconf |
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| 16:56.23 | mrrcp | config |
| 16:56.25 | sysop2 | is there a way to change what lsb_release returns? |
| 16:56.27 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 16:56.33 | arkold | heya, I have a little problem, my second hard drive (where I have all my music, my home folders, etc...) is totally full, but It started to give problems while is mouting and stuff :/ |
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| 16:56.37 | snowbird | wow john have you tried apt-ge alsa? |
| 16:56.52 | mrrcp | whats the command to see what my ip is ? |
| 16:56.53 | en1gma | im doing make meniconfig and need to know what proc family type i have |
| 16:57.00 | en1gma | what is an xp2600+ |
| 16:57.20 | wols | k7 |
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| 16:57.22 | snowbird | mrrcp, if config |
| 16:57.30 | john_doe | snowbird: yes, I have done that |
| 16:57.33 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:57.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 16:57.39 | snowbird | wow iam stumpted |
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| 16:58.17 | abrotman | john_doe: aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils .. then run alsaconf |
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| 16:59.31 | john_doe | abrotman: apt says they are both newest versions already |
| 16:59.38 | mick_laptop | mrrcp: man ifconfig; man ip |
| 16:59.47 | abrotman | john_doe: then just run alsaconf |
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| 17:00.37 | hark | sysop2: there's flashplugin-nonfree in the non-free repos |
| 17:01.07 | john_doe | abrotman: the command does not exist on my system |
| 17:01.19 | hark | john_doe: as root? |
| 17:01.57 | john_doe | abrotman: now I got it. I did apt-get remove and then apt-get install |
| 17:01.59 | abrotman | john_doe: you have to be root |
| 17:02.02 | mrrcp | root |
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| 17:02.37 | mick_laptop | is it possible to install to a usb harddrive (from CD) while i'm logged in? basically i want to install on a USB drive -- but i want to just plug the drive in when the hardware comes |
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| 17:04.08 | null__ | Hello, what is the way to convert a utf-8 sql file to iso8959? |
| 17:05.13 | abrotman | iconv |
| 17:05.50 | arkold | #linux |
| 17:05.52 | arkold | damn |
| 17:05.57 | arkold | forgot to put /join |
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| 17:07.58 | en1gma | do i need to set the "timer frequency" to a high number if im building a linux router box? i mean is this going to affect nat (so the higher the timer) the lower the responce to do something like nat |
| 17:08.23 | wols | no |
| 17:08.26 | en1gma | ive googled a bit and they say 100mhz for a server and 1000mhz for a desktop setting |
| 17:08.31 | en1gma | but im not doing either one of thoise |
| 17:08.32 | wols | en1gma: why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 17:08.40 | \amethyst | en1gma: not MHz |
| 17:08.58 | en1gma | remember that problem with the messages every 2seconds i was getting |
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| 17:09.10 | abrotman | it's easier to get a new NIC |
| 17:09.13 | en1gma | ##kernel told me to install lastest kernel and if it still does it make a bug report |
| 17:09.32 | en1gma | if its not broke i dont want to toss it out |
| 17:10.34 | en1gma | i was just wondering what would be the best setting for have 4 computers hooked up to that linux router box (timer frequency) that is |
| 17:10.42 | wols | if you see how cheap a fast ethernet nic is: it's not worth it |
| 17:10.44 | en1gma | i would think i would want the highest but not sure |
| 17:11.02 | wols | en1gma: irrelevant. you won't notice a thing no matter the setting |
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| 17:11.20 | arkold | i'm having this problem http://paste.debian.net/36047 while im loading my harddrive |
| 17:11.28 | en1gma | well the thing is i have 2 lne100tx in the system already and to get 2 more is $25.00 each so for 2 more that is total $50.00 and then in that case i might as well get a wrt54g |
| 17:11.41 | abrotman | en1gma: how about you just compile the kernel so that it actually works instead of fucking with every damn setting |
| 17:11.49 | en1gma | so i wont have to get anything if i can get this to work and go spend the money on a hooker |
| 17:12.15 | en1gma | how about just answer the question and i can move on to messing with my kernel options |
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| 17:12.17 | hark | that's a cheap hooker ;) |
| 17:12.26 | en1gma | shes 50 years old |
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| 17:12.39 | en1gma | close to 50 probably |
| 17:12.47 | abrotman | en1gma: ask ##kernel .. they asked you to compile thedamn thing |
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| 17:12.58 | en1gma | someone here told me to go there |
| 17:13.03 | en1gma | wasnt it you |
| 17:13.10 | abrotman | yes .. but not to compile your kernel |
| 17:13.24 | abrotman | just to get more info about your error |
| 17:13.24 | en1gma | well after you sent me there this is what they told me to do |
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| 17:13.46 | abrotman | then ask them about hte obscure settings |
| 17:13.55 | \amethyst | en1gma: Debian uses 250 by default... I'd recommend taking a debian .config and doing make oldconfig |
| 17:13.59 | en1gma | just wondering what the "timer frequence" does exactly cause the "help" isnt very descriptive |
| 17:14.01 | \amethyst | rather than setting everything yourself |
| 17:14.15 | \amethyst | en1gma: It's basically the maximum timeslice for a process |
| 17:14.21 | en1gma | i did take the debian config-2.6.22-1-486 as the base |
| 17:14.30 | Capn_Fish | I'm having trouble updating my kernel. Could somebody help? |
| 17:14.47 | hark | what's the error? |
| 17:14.59 | Capn_Fish | It builds OK |
| 17:15.00 | en1gma | \amethyst so a higher freq number actually polls slower :) |
| 17:15.08 | mick_laptop | is there a howto on doing a headless install? |
| 17:15.10 | Capn_Fish | I 'm having trouble getting it to run |
| 17:15.12 | en1gma | bark was that Q for me |
| 17:15.25 | \amethyst | en1gma: err, 1/HZ is the maximum timeslice rather |
| 17:15.26 | hark | no |
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| 17:15.30 | mick_laptop | since that is my other option (i have no monitor) |
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| 17:16.00 | lordrich | if you have no monitor then how are you using irc? |
| 17:16.06 | mick_laptop | i was thinking it would be easier w/ the IDE->usb converter and doing the install straight from my laptop |
| 17:16.11 | arkold | :p |
| 17:16.12 | blubberdiblub | arkold: your hard drive may be failing (or the box was powered off without properly shutting down). you could run badblocks on the device and maybe even smarttools. if they are only a couple of blocks, you could try making them usable again by writing to them (and only them) |
| 17:16.14 | en1gma | the box is a router gateway box right now |
| 17:16.15 | abrotman | lordrich: ssh in and then irc ? |
| 17:16.17 | mick_laptop | i'm on a laptop |
| 17:16.31 | shaurz | how can I stop the kernel autoloading a module? I've tried /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 17:16.35 | hark | en1gma: it dosen't matter, just compile it using oldconfig. all you want to see is whether the nic works.. |
| 17:16.36 | arkold | blubberdiblub: any clue of how to do that? :( |
| 17:16.54 | hark | !tell shaurz about blacklist |
| 17:17.16 | Capn_Fish | So I built the kernel, did a "make modules_install", then copied the bzImage to /boot, deleted the old kernel stuff from /boot, and edited grub's menu.lst |
| 17:17.30 | blubberdiblub | arkold: first run badblocks on the device. like that: badblocks /dev/hdb |
| 17:17.31 | en1gma | well im pretty familiar with making custom configs...but some questions i did have about it... |
| 17:17.49 | en1gma | timer frequency is not the very beginning of the .config |
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| 17:18.24 | jelly-home | Capn_Fish: are all the drivers necessary to access your root partition compiled in? |
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| 17:18.48 | en1gma | i set timer freq to 100hz |
| 17:18.54 | en1gma | hope thats good for a nat box |
| 17:18.56 | Capn_Fish | jelly-home: as far as I know |
| 17:19.07 | mick_laptop | !headless |
| 17:19.11 | jelly-home | en1gma: low hz is ok for a server. |
| 17:19.14 | mick_laptop | hmm, no factoid |
| 17:19.22 | mick_laptop | oh ya, /me msges dpkg |
| 17:19.23 | Capn_Fish | I copied the .config from the original kernel I was compiling |
| 17:19.30 | blubberdiblub | en1gma: it is. i'm running fine with that on my server that does all kinds of things, including nat |
| 17:19.35 | Capn_Fish | Which appeared to have more than enough stuff compiled in |
| 17:19.39 | jelly-home | Capn_Fish: original, as in a Debian build? |
| 17:19.41 | \amethyst | en1gma: it's probably fine... higher HZ gives more interactivity at the expense of thoroughput, and you don't need much interactivity on a router |
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| 17:19.49 | Capn_Fish | yes |
| 17:19.56 | jelly-home | Capn_Fish: debian builds most stuff as modules. |
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| 17:19.59 | Capn_Fish | It gave some errors, but built |
| 17:20.01 | hardcampa | Capn_Fish in debian make_kpkg is way better than doing what you did |
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| 17:20.14 | hardcampa | Capn_Fish here's a good guide for you http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 17:20.15 | jelly-home | Capn_Fish: you'll need to use initramfs, then |
| 17:20.56 | Capn_Fish | hardcampa: OK |
| 17:20.56 | hardcampa | btw when you compile your kernel "on your own" without make_kpkg, just run make install to install the kernel in boot and get grub updated automatically |
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| 17:21.03 | logdenum | hi what's wrong if lsusb doesn't return anything ? |
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| 17:21.17 | sayers | I have quite a few glibc problems how can I reconfigure it |
| 17:21.21 | Capn_Fish | I'll just reinstall Debian to get it working in the first place |
| 17:21.27 | Capn_Fish | thanks |
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| 17:22.13 | \amethyst | logdenum: you're not root? |
| 17:22.33 | jelly-home | !tell sayers about ask |
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| 17:24.22 | jelly-home | sayers: please provide exact commands you're trying to use and error messages that you get. use a pastebin if more than two lines |
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| 17:26.29 | mancubus | How do a convert filename from one KOI to UTF charset? |
| 17:27.03 | jelly-home | mancubus: using recode or iconv |
| 17:27.23 | sayers | One problem is it 3/4 times loads up KDM. I'm not exactly sure why and neither is my log |
| 17:27.44 | mancubus | jelly-home, Thnx. I thought that iconv convert body of files |
| 17:27.49 | Duddle | hmmm, how can I download a specific version of a packet with apt again? apt-get install package=2.5 doesnt work |
| 17:28.09 | jelly-home | mancubus: well, you can convert a filename too. |
| 17:28.26 | mancubus | jelly-home, Thanks! |
| 17:28.35 | blubberdiblub | mancubus: or maybe use convmv |
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| 17:28.56 | jelly-home | mancubus: something like echo mv "old-name" $(echo old-name | recode koi8r..utf8) |
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| 17:29.22 | \amethyst | that's unsafe with spaces |
| 17:29.31 | mancubus | Thanks for advice! I'll use convmv |
| 17:29.37 | jelly-home | \amethyst: no it's not |
| 17:29.52 | \amethyst | jelly-home: If the filename has two spaces in a row, they'll be condensed down to one |
| 17:30.00 | \amethyst | jelly-home: assuming the default setting for IFS |
| 17:30.27 | jelly-home | \amethyst: oh, I forgot to quote old-name the second time, right |
| 17:30.50 | \amethyst | "$(echo "old-name" | recode koi8r..utf8)" |
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| 17:30.55 | \amethyst | you need to quote the $() |
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| 17:31.35 | \amethyst | and I was wrong about what happens... the target will split into words and you'll get something like mv "foo bar" foo bar |
| 17:31.38 | jelly-home | I assumed an interactive shell |
| 17:31.58 | jelly-home | which does the right thing with $() |
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| 17:32.12 | \amethyst | ? |
| 17:32.27 | jelly-home | \amethyst: it doesn't expand $() twice |
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| 17:32.53 | x3rus | How can I configure a vnc server using ssh? |
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| 17:33.16 | \amethyst | jelly-home: try it: touch $(echo "foo bar") |
| 17:33.37 | \amethyst | jelly-home: $() gets word-split |
| 17:34.00 | \amethyst | not expanded though |
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| 17:34.40 | jelly-home | \amethyst: you're right |
| 17:34.48 | sayers | jelly-home, any way to figure out why KDM does not work every time ? |
| 17:35.33 | \amethyst | sort -u goes by the key not the whole line |
| 17:35.35 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 17:37.44 | jelly-home | sayers: I'd take a look at /etc/init.d/kdm first, see if there's anything log-related to enable. if not, at least put a set -x at the beginning, then try to see what fails |
| 17:38.50 | jelly-home | sayers: on lenny, I have # uncomment, if you want tons of debug info in your syslog ... #ARG="$ARG -debug 255" |
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| 17:39.11 | jelly-home | sayers: before that, make usre it's not X' fault |
| 17:39.14 | sayers | jelly-home, the real problem is that the HDD in this older laptop isnt too great. |
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| 17:41.23 | sayers | jelly-home, how would I do that? |
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| 17:42.13 | jelly-home | sayers: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log at the time kdm fails, pastebin it if not sure |
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| 17:42.34 | sayers | jelly-home, ill ssh so i can copy |
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| 17:45.40 | anarcat | allo |
| 17:46.01 | efface | I plugged my modem directly into my nic and i still cannot obtain an ip via DHCP, can someone please assist me w/ this problem. I've done plenty of research online and have yet to find a working solution |
| 17:46.29 | anarcat | i'm looking for a way to have my kernel messages and console black on white instead of white on black |
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| 17:47.37 | maker | Hi all, i have a question about icedove : in a message, when i click on an html link, icedove opens konqueror instead of firefox (my default browser). How can i change file/link association in TB? |
| 17:47.57 | ferret | anarcat: eurgh. o.o |
| 17:48.05 | xand | efface: what kind of modem? |
| 17:48.21 | anarcat | ferret: i beg your pardon? |
| 17:48.38 | jelly-home | anarcat: setterm |
| 17:48.43 | monkeypet | hi, i have compiled the binaries with 'fakeroot debian/rules binary'. I want to generate the dsc file, but don't want to recompile everything as noted with the bdpk-buildpackage -rfakeroot command. how do i just generate the dsc file? |
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| 17:49.03 | monkeypet | Compile time on the xbox takes about 12 hours. |
| 17:49.18 | efface | its a motorola surfboard, but i have also tried my router as well |
| 17:49.19 | anarcat | jelly-home: that won't change it from the kernel though... |
| 17:49.38 | efface | xand: im using a i680 chipset with forcedeth module |
| 17:49.53 | xand | er, does the network card work? listed by ifconfig -a? |
| 17:50.40 | efface | yea i see eth0 and eth1 |
| 17:50.53 | efface | but they dont list ip's |
| 17:51.00 | roxy_ | how do I get ztdummy running on testing ? |
| 17:51.27 | anarcat | jelly-home: good tip anyways, it works |
| 17:51.30 | ctx144k | ok... i think i found the special file/line where to patch the package lighttpd for mysql-support |
| 17:52.16 | ctx144k | anyone can tell me how todo in right way my patch? - i dont want that later a debian-update will overwrite my own patched package |
| 17:52.16 | jelly-home | anarcat: ah, I didn't catch you wanted only the kernel messages inverted, sorry |
| 17:52.27 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: some framebuffer modules support inverting, i think. if they're compiled into the kernel, it's just a matter of bootparams. the matroxfb has such an option |
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| 17:52.38 | anarcat | jelly-home: it's ok :) i've progressed :) |
| 17:53.03 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: how about the default frame buffer? i've looked into the kernel-parameters and fb.txt and couldn't find anything |
| 17:53.07 | anarcat | i'll look into it again |
| 17:53.09 | ctx144k | and my question, WHY the maintainer didnt patch it correctly ??!?? |
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| 17:53.31 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: well, i only know about that option concerning the matroxfb ... |
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| 17:53.47 | ctx144k | and ok, i know my question willbe kick me out here :) |
| 17:54.07 | anarcat | oooh! i found it |
| 17:54.15 | anarcat | "invers no comment... |
| 17:54.24 | anarcat | that's the joy of bad doc + grep :) |
| 17:54.24 | FredMac | Not a good start I know, but is there not a SINGLE dvd image avilable to install debian? I can only find multiple DVD downloads. i386. |
| 17:54.27 | ctx144k | but i founded some bugs, and they are all known since months, and there exists no fixings in rc1 |
| 17:54.32 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: try /usr/src/<yourkernelsource>/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 17:54.43 | jelly-home | ctx144k: are they reported on BTS? |
| 17:54.43 | ctx144k | i cant understand |
| 17:54.43 | ctx144k | ... |
| 17:55.16 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: yeah, i found it there! |
| 17:55.19 | anarcat | fairly cool |
| 17:55.20 | efface | xand: still there? |
| 17:55.37 | ctx144k | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420010 |
| 17:55.45 | ctx144k | its same problem ! |
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| 17:57.00 | anarcat | video=vesafb:invers |
| 17:57.10 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: but i fear they might not invert the overscan area. ymmv |
| 17:57.16 | anarcat | not sure what invers means in that context... |
| 17:57.24 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: what's the overscan area? |
| 17:57.34 | jelly-home | ctx144k: the maintainer(s) are volunteers, they may be swamped by real life, gone missing or just bored with Debian. If you have a patch you can send it as attachment to that bug. I don't know what's the correct way to ask for a NMU upload, though |
| 17:57.44 | anarcat | okay, rebooting :) |
| 17:58.06 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: the area outside the field actually used for graphics. the margins. but that's probably only a concern with CRT |
| 17:58.11 | maker | Hi all, i have a question about icedove : in a message, when i click on an html link, icedove opens konqueror instead of firefox (my default browser). How can i change file/link association in TB? |
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| 17:58.56 | jelly-home | !nmu |
| 17:58.56 | dpkg | [nmu] Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 17:58.59 | jelly-home | meh |
| 17:59.12 | jelly-home | how / where does someone ask for a nmu? |
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| 18:00.00 | john_doe | my system time is never correct. due to a bug I had to change /etc/default/rcS but even after that the system clock is always two hours ahead. |
| 18:00.07 | ctx144k | jelly-home, ok, perhaps u can help me to patch it on right way in etch? ill test the patch, and will give then the patch for all others users... my english is bad and im not an maintainer, and dont know the complete processes of debian. i hope there is a easy way to make an official patch for all users |
| 18:00.09 | curtmack | Okay. selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted. Any possible reasons the installer could hang while configuring it? |
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| 18:01.45 | john_doe | it's on etch |
| 18:01.52 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: so it didn't do anything |
| 18:02.13 | mot | http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/nvidia-graphics-drivers <-- how do i set my up sources.list to hit this nonfree repo so i can get these drivers? |
| 18:02.15 | ctx144k | jelly-home, i installed the sources via "apt-get source lighttpd-mod-mysql-vhost" |
| 18:02.15 | xand | efface: did you edit interfaces file? |
| 18:02.17 | xand | !interfaces |
| 18:02.17 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 18:02.18 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: i'm getting desparate :) i feel i'll need to simply hack the kernel... |
| 18:02.20 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: and you're sure the kernel uses the vesa framebuffer? you get a tux logo? |
| 18:02.22 | mot | OR, am i better off just getting nvidia drivers from the official website? |
| 18:02.28 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: actually, i don't |
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| 18:02.38 | ctx144k | and knows the code to insert, the file to insert, and the position |
| 18:02.46 | wols | john_doe: if it's 2 hours and you are in europe (GMT+1) your BIOS and your Linux disagree on clock settings that's all |
| 18:02.48 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: so it's not using the framebuffer at all... hmmm... |
| 18:02.59 | mot | so |
| 18:03.07 | wols | mot: we don't support drivers directly from nvidia.com |
| 18:03.14 | wols | !tell mot about nonfree |
| 18:03.17 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: well, if the vesafb is really compiled into your kernel (and not a module), make sure you don't use any vga= lines, or something like that |
| 18:03.22 | mot | yea that's what i was asking |
| 18:03.37 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: i'm using a vanilla debian kernel |
| 18:03.39 | jelly-home | ctx144k: to create the patch, make a copy of the unpacked source tree, add the needed line in your tree, then cd above and do something like diff -Nru lighttpd-mod-mysql-vhost-1.2.3 lighttpd-mod-mysql-vhost.1.2.3-your-patched-dir |
| 18:03.42 | mot | then what nvidia drivers should i use wols? |
| 18:03.48 | mot | i'm not sure where to get 'em |
| 18:03.49 | curtmack | for that matter, is there a way to disable installation of selinux? From the looks of things I probably won't need it |
| 18:03.57 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: well, i don't, so i can't tell what the vanilla one has or has not *g* |
| 18:04.25 | pumpkin0 | mot: you can install them with apt-get if you edit your /etc/apt/sources and add non-free to the end of the lines. |
| 18:04.40 | ctx144k | jelly-home, ok... one moment, ill do |
| 18:04.42 | john_doe | wols: so how do I solve it? |
| 18:04.55 | wols | john_doe: to what is your BIOS clock set? |
| 18:04.55 | mot | so it would be deb URL nonfree main? |
| 18:04.56 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: anyway, remove bootparams like vga=<whatever>, if there is one |
| 18:04.57 | john_doe | wols: should say I'm dual booting |
| 18:05.04 | FredMac | Hi folks. If Ubuntu feisty installs and works on my machine, is it fair to assume that Debian 4.0rc1 will do too? |
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| 18:05.11 | jelly-home | ctx144k: redirect that diff to a file. |
| 18:05.17 | wols | then your BIOS needs to be set to your timezone (GMT+1) |
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| 18:05.19 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: there isn't |
| 18:05.30 | wols | FredMac: yes |
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| 18:05.38 | pumpkin0 | FredMac: since ubuntu only shares a bit, but not all ... mostly yes. |
| 18:05.47 | FredMac | wols: what about restricted drivers and beryl? |
| 18:06.08 | jelly-home | FredMac: that's a good indication you can massage Debian to make it work :-) |
| 18:06.11 | wols | FredMac: drivers are in non-free. No beryl in etch |
| 18:06.18 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: CONFIG_FB=y |
| 18:06.21 | john_doe | wols: oops, I can't read it at the moment. that will take a reboot... |
| 18:06.28 | jelly-home | FredMac: you'll need to install the non-free drivers separately |
| 18:06.30 | wols | john_doe: wrong. man hwclock |
| 18:06.31 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: and try "modinfo vesafb". if it doesn't find it, it's either compiled into the kernel, or not compiled at all. check /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 18:06.49 | FredMac | jelly-home: but they come as repositories or will I have to fanny around with modules? |
| 18:07.11 | wols | FredMac: they come as .deb packages |
| 18:07.16 | pumpkin0 | FredMac: they are all in the central repo. |
| 18:07.24 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: CONFIG_FB_VESA as well |
| 18:07.28 | wols | pumpkin0: they are not |
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| 18:07.47 | john_doe | wols: not wrong. A bug in etch. |
| 18:07.47 | pumpkin0 | wols: which driver do you miss in non-free ? |
| 18:07.49 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: CONFIG_FB_VESA=y |
| 18:07.54 | mot | so for nvidia is the only package that i need to install `nvidia-graphics-drivers` ? |
| 18:07.58 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: non-free != central reop |
| 18:08.21 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: okay, then maybe the invers option doesn't work, or does something else than one expects ;) |
| 18:08.42 | john_doe | what command hibernates the system? |
| 18:08.49 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: or the kernel just doesn't use the vesa fb while booting for whatever reasons |
| 18:08.56 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: For 95% of the users it does not matter if they are in main, non-free or the old non-US part. They see them installing via apt-get and that's about it. |
| 18:08.57 | john_doe | I mean suspend to disk |
| 18:09.00 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: i see |
| 18:09.04 | curtmack | How do I tell the installer to skip installing selinux? The installer hangs while configuring it. |
| 18:09.05 | sayers | How do I add my account to the Fuse group? |
| 18:09.17 | anarcat | sayers: adduser account fuse |
| 18:09.44 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: they do have to mess with some text files in /etc for that to work |
| 18:10.30 | ctx144k | jelly-home, ok i have the diff-file |
| 18:10.31 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: you could as well say that marillat' or backports are "central", too |
| 18:10.40 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: people that do not want to mess with textfiles install ubunut. |
| 18:11.17 | wols | pumpkin0: non-free is not part of debian or "central repo" |
| 18:11.30 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: hmm, using the source, i see the doc has a type. inverse needs to be spelled correctly when used as an option ;) maybe try that |
| 18:11.35 | wols | john_doe: that you cannot run hwclock --show is a bug in etch? really? |
| 18:11.41 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: type -> typo |
| 18:11.47 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: wow :) |
| 18:11.57 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: okay, where is that option in the sourcefiles? |
| 18:12.17 | efface | xand: sorry missed your message and yes i looked in there and i removed everything except for the lines referring to LO and eth0 eth1 |
| 18:12.29 | jelly-home | ctx144k: does it look sensible? if it does, mail it as an attachment to that bug ( 420010@bugs.debian.org ) and hope someone sees it. If nothing happens in a reasonable amount of time, you can try asking for a NMU |
| 18:12.32 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: use less and search for inverse ;) try /usr/src/<yourkernelsource>/drivers/video/vesafb.c |
| 18:12.37 | anarcat | okay, rebooting again |
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| 18:12.39 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: thanks |
| 18:12.54 | john_doe | wols: yes. One must first correct it in /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:12.56 | ctx144k | no sensible code |
| 18:13.05 | wols | john_doe: BS |
| 18:13.20 | ctx144k | jelly-home, ok ill try the patch first myself |
| 18:13.24 | john_doe | wols: I think it's only for certain hw. mine is a t61. |
| 18:13.37 | john_doe | wols: bs? |
| 18:13.37 | jelly-home | ctx144k: right |
| 18:13.38 | ctx144k | and if its running ill send it |
| 18:13.56 | wols | john_doe: for the last time: what does hwclock --show say? |
| 18:14.09 | sayers | How can I add a program to startup? |
| 18:14.20 | wols | !tell sayers about rc.local |
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| 18:15.20 | jelly-home | dpkg, rc.local =~ s/lcoal/local/g |
| 18:15.20 | dpkg | OK, jelly-home |
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| 18:16.01 | jelly-home | wols: hm, that rc.local factoid looks cut off (or maybe my xchat is misbehaving) |
| 18:16.05 | john_doe | wols: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 18:16.37 | wols | john_doe: what kernel is this? |
| 18:16.59 | john_doe | wols: 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 18:17.25 | ctx144k | jelly-home, ok... one last question - how can i use the patch-file to repatch original sources again? |
| 18:17.36 | wols | john_doe: lsof /dev/rtc |
| 18:17.37 | john_doe | this is beyond my knowledge. I just saw it on http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T61.html |
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| 18:18.09 | john_doe | wols: what is that? |
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| 18:18.27 | john_doe | wols: it doesn't return anything |
| 18:19.36 | wols | john_doe: hwclock --directisa --show |
| 18:19.39 | wols | does this work? |
| 18:19.44 | jelly-home | ctx144k: cd in there, then do "patch -p1 < your.patch" |
| 18:19.56 | john_doe | wols: yes |
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| 18:20.09 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 18:20.13 | john_doe | wols: that is what I append to the rcS file |
| 18:20.15 | jelly-home | ctx144k: patch -p1 --dry-run < your.patch will just try to patch without actually changing files - for test |
| 18:20.29 | ctx144k | in the main-directory of the project, oder into the direktory where the source-file exists? |
| 18:20.32 | wols | john_doe: where exactly in the rcS file? |
| 18:20.38 | ttuttle | I'm trying to use mencoder to encode a RealVideo file (streamed) to some other format. mplayer will play it, but mencoder errors out with what appears like a missing codec. |
| 18:20.40 | jelly-home | ctx144k: in the main directory. |
| 18:20.46 | ctx144k | ok |
| 18:20.46 | ctx144k | thnx |
| 18:21.05 | ctx144k | ill write down, cause, i know next time willbe come... |
| 18:21.11 | ctx144k | in 3years or so :) |
| 18:21.12 | john_doe | wols: the bios clock is actually not correct. neither is it utc |
| 18:21.46 | wols | john_doe: you need to set your BIOS clock to your local timezone if dual booting |
| 18:21.46 | john_doe | wols: I just append HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa |
| 18:22.01 | john_doe | wols: http://bugs.debian.org/397096 |
| 18:22.06 | jelly-home | ctx144k: (it depends on how you created the patch actually, but if you created it with diff -Nru whole-source.old whole-tree.new, then it's in the main directory, and using -p1) |
| 18:22.20 | ctx144k | yes i did |
| 18:22.22 | john_doe | wols: not utc? |
| 18:22.37 | ctx144k | and ill do it in future always on that way |
| 18:23.02 | wols | john_doe: not if you run windows and linux both on the machine. then usually BIOS is set to local time and /etc/default/rcS has "UTC=no" in there |
| 18:23.14 | ttuttle | Does anyone know why there is a package for mplayer but not for mencoder? |
| 18:23.23 | john_doe | wols: ok, thanks |
| 18:23.25 | ttuttle | I was under the impression that they were packaged together. |
| 18:23.41 | pumpkin0 | ttuttle: mencoder is part of the mplayer-package ... |
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| 18:23.46 | wols | as for your HWCLOCKPARS parameter: i can't see anything in that dbugs entry about that. I'd simply edit the /etc/init.d/hwclock* file(s) |
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| 18:23.58 | ttuttle | pumpkin0: Hmm. |
| 18:24.03 | jelly-home | ttuttle: you'll probably want to use both mplayer and mencoder from the debian-multimedia repository |
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| 18:24.17 | ttuttle | jelly-home: I am. |
| 18:24.24 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: well, i have got a separate package called mencoder :) |
| 18:24.29 | asg | ttuttle: debian only has the mplayer package. You need the multimedia repo for marillat's packages |
| 18:24.30 | ttuttle | blubberdiblub: Me too. |
| 18:24.34 | ttuttle | asg: Yeah I have it. |
| 18:24.50 | ttuttle | Here's the thing: The mplayer plays the file, but the mencoder won't encode from it. |
| 18:24.56 | ttuttle | They should be the same codec, right? |
| 18:25.17 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: are both packages the exact same version? |
| 18:25.19 | jelly-home | ttuttle: that's different than "there's no package for mencoder" :-| |
| 18:25.27 | ttuttle | blubberdiblub: Lemme check. |
| 18:25.40 | ttuttle | jelly-home: I never said that. I said it was strange that installing mplayer didn't include mencoder. |
| 18:25.53 | jelly-home | <ttuttle> Does anyone know why there is a package for mplayer but not for mencoder? |
| 18:26.02 | jelly-home | whatever, got you now :-) |
| 18:26.07 | unilynx | I keep getting the error "XFree86-DRI missing" when I run fglrxinfo. What does this mean? |
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| 18:26.21 | dbmoodb | apt-get install mplayer-plugins ? |
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| 18:27.00 | mot | i think i made a boo-boo |
| 18:27.09 | mot | my kernel and my system are using different versions of gcc/g++ |
| 18:27.09 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: I see no such package available? |
| 18:27.17 | atoponce | when i want to run an application as root from gnome, quite often i am prompted with the error: "failed to communicate with gksu-run-helper". how can i solve this issue? |
| 18:27.26 | mot | when i tried to compile a kernel module, it says no-go because my kernel is using 4.1 and my system is using 4.2 |
| 18:27.31 | ttuttle | Why do the version strings used by apt-get look like 50% numbers and 50% line noise? What do : and ~ do in a version string? |
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| 18:27.40 | Spiritus55 | Hey, what is a good coder for debian? |
| 18:27.43 | mot | i accidentally snagged the packages from unstable, now if i remove and try to reinstall from stable i get weird dependency errors |
| 18:27.46 | mot | what do i do now? |
| 18:27.49 | dbmoodb | ffmpg ? |
| 18:27.51 | Spiritus55 | I want a program with syntax highlighting, and all the bells and whisltes. |
| 18:27.54 | jelly-home | mot: reinstall |
| 18:27.56 | Spiritus55 | whistles* |
| 18:27.59 | ttuttle | Oh, and I only have one version of mencoder available, and it doesn't work. |
| 18:28.01 | atoponce | i think it may be related to thinkfinger, but i am unsure |
| 18:28.02 | mot | reinstall my entire system? |
| 18:28.03 | Spiritus55 | But, not a big program. |
| 18:28.06 | mot | see, my only issue is |
| 18:28.13 | mot | i don't like that stable only uses 2.6.18 |
| 18:28.13 | wols | Spiritus55: what language? |
| 18:28.15 | mot | that's pretty old. |
| 18:28.18 | jelly-home | mot: that's the simplest and the only sure way to get out of that situation |
| 18:28.19 | Spiritus55 | Php, C, whatever. |
| 18:28.20 | atoponce | any ideas? can i keep from caching the root authentication? |
| 18:28.21 | Spiritus55 | Mostly C. |
| 18:28.23 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: the numbers in front of : are the epoch |
| 18:28.23 | mot | i just wanted to use 2.6.22, but that's considered unstable |
| 18:28.28 | wols | Spiritus55: eclipse |
| 18:28.28 | Spiritus55 | I mean php* |
| 18:28.31 | Spiritus55 | eclipse? |
| 18:28.34 | mot | so if i upgrade to that kernel it snags a bunch of packages from unstable and...well |
| 18:28.36 | ttuttle | blubberdiblub: Some packages don't have one. |
| 18:28.36 | asg | mot: then compile your own, since you seem to know what you are doing |
| 18:28.43 | Spiritus55 | I'll check it out, thanks wols. |
| 18:28.51 | mot | hmm i guess i could do that |
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| 18:29.01 | asg | mot: does the 2.6.18 kernel work for your system? |
| 18:29.04 | mot | yes |
| 18:29.06 | mot | but it's old. |
| 18:29.12 | mot | 2.6.18 is at least 6 months old, if not older. |
| 18:29.16 | asg | mot: I'm old but I still work okay |
| 18:29.17 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: normally they don't. it has something to do with overriding a package that would otherwise have a higher version number or something like that. i'm not sure, tho |
| 18:29.21 | mot | most other distros are using 2.6.20+ as their stable kernels |
| 18:29.23 | dbmoodb | oh no mot |
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| 18:29.30 | asg | mot: old != useless. Not in life, not in Debian. |
| 18:29.30 | jelly-home | mot: oh, and after reinstalling, you can use backports for other stuff (or roll your own as they said) |
| 18:29.31 | dbmoodb | what ever shall we do - |
| 18:29.43 | ttuttle | Oh. The readme says real was disabled on the amd64 version. How helpful.</sarcasm> |
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| 18:29.52 | mot | asg: calm down, we're talking about an operating system here, not you feeling insecure about being old. |
| 18:30.00 | distatica | When packages come in, it goes testing->unstable->stable right? |
| 18:30.05 | mot | and yea, sometime old IS useless |
| 18:30.16 | mot | especially when you're using 6 month old pieces of software |
| 18:30.22 | asg | mot: I'm not old really, but the point is still made. 2.6.18 works, what possible reason do you have to get something new? |
| 18:30.22 | pumpkin0 | distatica: experimental, unstable, testing, stable... |
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| 18:30.32 | mot | better hardware support? |
| 18:30.33 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:30.38 | asg | mot: are you using such hardware? |
| 18:30.39 | distatica | ahh ok, testing comes after unstable, thanks. |
| 18:30.41 | mot | not wanting to use a kernel that is 6 months old? |
| 18:30.45 | mot | yes. |
| 18:30.48 | pumpkin0 | mot better then working ? |
| 18:30.53 | efface | I am observing a problem really identical to this one http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/65765-cannot-get-dhcp-work-ubuntu.html i see no solution int he post though, anyone know how to fix it |
| 18:30.58 | mot | i have a pcmcia card that teeters on the brink of working/not working around the 2.6.2x series of kernels. |
| 18:31.07 | asg | mot: then you have a compelling reason to use a newer kernel. Using one *just because* it is six months old is silly. |
| 18:31.14 | GarryFre | Hmm, I've seen some distros that were based on an unstable branch just upgrading to 2.6.20 So it seems that one distro's stable might be another's unstable. |
| 18:31.16 | mot | i'm not using it "just because" |
| 18:31.24 | mot | otherwise would i willingly subject myself to such headache? |
| 18:31.35 | mot | fedora uses 2.6.22 |
| 18:31.39 | mot | gentoo is using 2.6.21 |
| 18:31.44 | mot | and they're quite stable imho. |
| 18:31.45 | dbmoodb | and |
| 18:31.47 | Spiritus55 | wols: turns out eclipse doesn't have php, so is there another program you suggest that is WAY smaller than eclipse? |
| 18:31.50 | GarryFre | Yep, they bleeding edge |
| 18:31.53 | dbmoodb | this is the debian channel |
| 18:31.53 | ctx144k | jelly-home, much thnx... - ill report in some days |
| 18:31.58 | jelly-home | mot: Debian unstable is "quite stable" too. |
| 18:31.59 | wols | Spiritus55: it does have php. |
| 18:32.02 | ctx144k | i hope its running+ |
| 18:32.08 | GarryFre | Debian tends to be quite concervative about what they call stable. |
| 18:32.09 | asg | mot: and they update more frequently, which is why I don't use them on my critical servers since I don't have time to reboot every few weeks. |
| 18:32.23 | Spiritus55 | wols: I looked at the site and didn't see it, and the program is pretty huge. I just want something like notepad++ for windows. |
| 18:32.30 | mot | obviously not when i can't even run apt-get dist-upgrade and then attempt to install a driver without it complaining about conflicting versions of gcc in the kernel/userspace. |
| 18:32.35 | Spiritus55 | wols: a few 100kb if you get what I mean. |
| 18:32.40 | GarryFre | So I have debian for stable stuff, and the other distro for adventuring. |
| 18:32.42 | wols | Spiritus55: just not necessarily in debian. but there are at least 2-3 extensions for eclipse that do php. heck Zend is using eclipse for their IDE |
| 18:32.42 | atoponce | just got the error again: "falied to run services-admin as user root. Failed to communicate with gksu-run-helper. Received: ssword or swife finger: While expecting: gksu: waiting" |
| 18:32.49 | asg | mot: because you are mixing unstable packages with stable. |
| 18:32.50 | wols | Spiritus55: don't know any |
| 18:33.01 | mot | yes |
| 18:33.11 | Spiritus55 | Wols: thanks anyways. |
| 18:33.24 | asg | mot: then either find a backported kernel, compile your own, or just use gentoo or fedora. |
| 18:33.49 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: didn't work either, i don't think i'm using vesafb... |
| 18:33.55 | anarcat | blubberdiblub: thanks for the help |
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| 18:34.10 | jelly-home | atoponce: "ssword or swife finger"? have you installed that pam module for thinkpad fingerprint support? |
| 18:34.12 | ttuttle | Why does multimedia stuff simply never work? |
| 18:34.18 | ttuttle | (I don't mean just on Debian.) |
| 18:34.30 | atoponce | jelly-home: yes |
| 18:34.55 | ttuttle | Is there some package that just contains all the magic codecs I need? |
| 18:35.01 | asg | ttuttle: w32codecs |
| 18:35.04 | blubberdiblub | anarcat: no need to thank me for an unsolved problem ;) but maybe you might want to dive into the kernel sources. as i read them, the inverse variable might be unused as of now. that is, if there aren't some obscure asm accesses to them |
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| 18:35.09 | jelly-home | atoponce: it's buggy. I've limited its use to just gdm. |
| 18:35.19 | atoponce | jelly-home: how so? |
| 18:35.22 | GarryFre | ttuttle: Hmm, that's why I read the reviews and do what they did, if it works, saves me the grief by letting them suffer it for me. |
| 18:35.35 | jelly-home | atoponce: and by the look of that output, it seems gksu doesn't like it very much |
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| 18:35.45 | xjkx | can i get rid of utf-8? there are softwares i set to my codifications and sometimes it still acts as utf8 |
| 18:35.47 | GarryFre | Usually reviews tell you how they got all the multimedia working |
| 18:36.02 | ttuttle | GarryFre: Reviews? Of what? |
| 18:36.06 | ttuttle | asg: Where is that from? |
| 18:36.06 | asg | xjkx: dpkg-reconfigure locales ; choose something else as the default. |
| 18:36.24 | asg | ttuttle: debian-multimedia.org (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 18:36.33 | ttuttle | asg: Already have it. |
| 18:36.42 | jelly-home | atoponce: you can see how so... your services don't work :-) |
| 18:36.47 | ttuttle | asg: Do you mean sid? |
| 18:36.52 | asg | ttuttle: no |
| 18:36.53 | ttuttle | asg: (I'm running lenny.) |
| 18:37.02 | atoponce | jelly-home: according to this doc on thinkwiki, the last note mentions changing the prompt to "Password: " http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader_with_ThinkFinger |
| 18:37.14 | ttuttle | asg: Well I've got "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 18:37.15 | dbmoodb | btw why does synaptic think etch is testing ? and not lenny ? |
| 18:37.19 | atoponce | jelly-home: think that is a good solution, or is there a better way about it? |
| 18:37.21 | ttuttle | " in my sources.list, and it can't find w32codecs. |
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| 18:37.45 | asg | ttuttle: did you run 'apt-get update' after adding the sources? He may not have packages for lenny. |
| 18:37.54 | jelly-home | atoponce: I haven't got around to fixing it, just made it work somewhat and left it that way. |
| 18:37.59 | ttuttle | asg: Yes, I did. |
| 18:38.04 | jelly-home | atoponce: so "no idea" |
| 18:38.05 | mot | even kernel.org says 2.6.22.6 is the most stable |
| 18:38.06 | mot | heh |
| 18:38.18 | atoponce | jelly-home: fair enough |
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| 18:38.29 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: w32codecs is in marillat's stable |
| 18:38.53 | ttuttle | blubberdiblub: Should "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" get it? |
| 18:39.17 | asg | mot: kernel org also said that kernels are supposed to be packaged, supported, and fixed by each distribution. |
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| 18:39.35 | jelly-home | atoponce: I'd remove it from /etc/pam.d/common-auth and put the lines from common-auth explicitely into pam config of those apps that I'd want to keep using it |
| 18:39.37 | asg | mot: 2.6.22.6 is the stable vanilla kernel, 2.6.18 is the stable debian kernel. |
| 18:39.44 | ttuttle | blubberdiblub: ? |
| 18:39.49 | jelly-home | atoponce: (in place of include... common-auth) |
| 18:40.00 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: i'm not sure, i'm using a different mirror |
| 18:40.23 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: deb http://mirrors.ecology.uni-kiel.de/debian/debian-multimedia stable main |
| 18:40.31 | asg | ttuttle: then use etch |
| 18:40.34 | jelly-home | atoponce: not sure whose fault it is exactly, but kdm doesn't work with it either... at least that bit is mentioned in thinkwiki AFAIR |
| 18:40.44 | ttuttle | asg: That doesn't help. Then none of the features will be available at all. |
| 18:41.01 | atoponce | jelly-home: yeah. fortunately for me, i don't use kde/kdm |
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| 18:41.27 | Spiritus55 | What is the apt-get command to get php on my machine, so I can compile and run php script? |
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| 18:41.31 | zOap | I've got a hd with a ntfs partition which I want to be acloned hd of my main hd. it's connected with usb.. is this command enough or do I need to format it first? :dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda conv=noerror,sync bs=4k |
| 18:41.51 | wols | zOap: it's enough |
| 18:41.54 | asg | Spiritus55: php is interpreted, not compiled. look for the php*-cli package |
| 18:42.02 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: run a php script in the shell? php5-cli |
| 18:42.08 | ttuttle | blubberdiblub: I just added that @#$%^ line, did "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install w32codecs", and it still can't find it. |
| 18:42.08 | Spiritus55 | Ok. |
| 18:42.19 | pumpkin0 | zOap: the sda is bigger or equal size then hda, right ? |
| 18:42.38 | jelly-home | ttuttle: are you on i386 or amd64? |
| 18:42.38 | blubberdiblub | Spiritus55: you can gain some time by using ntfsclone |
| 18:42.42 | ttuttle | jelly-home: amd64. |
| 18:42.48 | ttuttle | jelly-home: Oh, I forgot, nothing works on amd64. |
| 18:42.51 | jelly-home | ttuttle: therein lies the rub |
| 18:43.00 | blubberdiblub | Spiritus55: which would be in the ntfsprogs package |
| 18:43.21 | JordiGH | ttuttle: Well, 32-bit codecs don't work in a 64-bit environment, no. |
| 18:43.23 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: well, it works for me :/ |
| 18:43.25 | Spiritus55 | Bludderdiblub: I think you have the wrong person, z0ap was talking about ntfs |
| 18:43.28 | zOap | pumpkin0, it is equal |
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| 18:43.30 | ttuttle | JordiGH: That's funny, lots of other 32-bit things work. |
| 18:43.36 | JordiGH | ttuttle: Like what? |
| 18:43.42 | blubberdiblub | ttuttle: oh, you have a 64bit system? |
| 18:43.54 | ttuttle | JordiGH: Well, Gentoo seemed to do a magnificent job of running a 32-bit Firefox with Flash and Java support. |
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| 18:44.01 | JordiGH | ttuttle: In a 32-bit chroot. |
| 18:44.04 | ttuttle | JordiGH: And I assume Wine runs 32-bit things. |
| 18:44.07 | zOap | wols pumpkin0 is there a way to get dd to be more verbose? like a -v? |
| 18:44.10 | ttuttle | JordiGH: Meh. I just typed "emerge firefox-bin". |
| 18:44.11 | JordiGH | ttuttle: Probably in a chroot too. |
| 18:44.19 | ttuttle | JordiGH: Wine was not in a chroot. |
| 18:44.33 | ttuttle | JordiGH: Gentoo simply installs both 32- and 64-bit libraries. |
| 18:44.52 | pumpkin0 | zOap: you can pipe it into a buffer. Should look like "cat /dev/hda | buffer > /dev/sda" |
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| 18:45.20 | Guilt | is there a tvnative package for Tomcat? |
| 18:45.22 | zOap | pumpkin0, thanks:) |
| 18:45.27 | blubberdiblub | Spiritus55: oh yes, sorry, i do not multitask particularly well ;) |
| 18:45.33 | Guilt | tcnative* |
| 18:45.34 | Guilt | :) |
| 18:45.40 | pumpkin0 | zOap: read the buffer-man page first... |
| 18:45.49 | Spiritus55 | Bludderdiblub: it's good, just tell him, because he probably didn't hear it. |
| 18:45.51 | jelly-home | Guilt: what does "ncnative" mean? |
| 18:45.52 | JordiGH | ttuttle: It's not so "simple". Anyways, I still haven't figured out why anyone wants a 64-bit system unless they have several hundred gigs of RAM. |
| 18:45.53 | Guilt | well. apr is there, so it ought to work :) |
| 18:45.55 | zOap | pumpkin0, ok, I'll do that:) |
| 18:46.09 | Guilt | tcnative is a connector for fast I/O |
| 18:46.11 | blubberdiblub | zOap: have you tried ntfsclone already? |
| 18:46.11 | jelly-home | tcnative, even |
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| 18:46.28 | jelly-home | yet another connector? |
| 18:46.29 | Guilt | it uses things like sendfile etc. and is generally faster than the normal Java I/O |
| 18:46.36 | blubberdiblub | Spiritus55: yeah, i'm a slow typer ;) |
| 18:46.49 | ttuttle | JordiGH: Um, the registers are twice as big, and, when upgrading from x86 -> em64t specifically, you get double the number of registers, which makes things much faster. |
| 18:46.52 | Guilt | jelly: it's a library used by core of tomcat.. using APR calls and stuff |
| 18:47.03 | Guilt | it's good when it's run on the Sun VM |
| 18:47.14 | blubberdiblub | zOap: it skips unused parts of the ntfs partition. it's in the ntfsprogs package |
| 18:47.16 | ice63 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.16 | ttuttle | JordiGH: If the processor is using registers to do vector-ish things, like bit operations or copying memory, it can fit twice as much data in a register. |
| 18:47.17 | zOap | blubberdiblub, I'm not gonna clone it into a ntfs drive, I'm clonig the disk as is. it's just that it is NOW formatted as ntfs, while I need it to be ext3... |
| 18:47.18 | jelly-home | Guilt: 1.5 or 1.6 or any? |
| 18:47.23 | pumpkin0 | Guilt: did you ever try java.nio ? |
| 18:47.27 | Guilt | gcj has issues with mysql-connector, so i chose to run tomcat with the java 1.5 package |
| 18:47.38 | JordiGH | ttuttle: Why would bigger registers make anything faster? I've used 64-bit systems. It looked the same to me. But then again, if you've used Gentoo, then you must be happy to spend hours compiling stuff to get that holy 3% performance increase. |
| 18:47.48 | ttuttle | JordiGH: No, not really. |
| 18:47.49 | Guilt | pumpkin: tomcat uses nio in ver 6. |
| 18:47.50 | blubberdiblub | zOap: yeah, i know, ntfsclone can do that |
| 18:47.53 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite ttuttle |
| 18:47.55 | ttuttle | JordiGH: I didn't care that much. |
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| 18:48.14 | blubberdiblub | zOap: you mean making an image of the partitition, right? |
| 18:48.14 | zOap | blubberdiblub, okey, but it seems dd does the job ok? or? |
| 18:48.19 | Guilt | well. it's a good package to keep for Tomcat. |
| 18:48.23 | wols | !penixsmite ttuttle |
| 18:48.38 | pumpkin0 | zOap: dd works with all kinds of data, even NTFS. |
| 18:48.40 | blubberdiblub | zOap: sure, but dd at least has to look at each block |
| 18:48.52 | JordiGH | ttuttle: And nobody is writing vectorised code anymore. Vector machines aren't sexy anymore. Parallelisation is where the fun is at nowadays. |
| 18:49.00 | jelly-home | JordiGH: he's doing video munging, 64bit should help noticeably with appropriate software |
| 18:49.10 | blubberdiblub | zOap: there's no problem with dd at all. just a matter of time :) |
| 18:49.11 | pumpkin0 | zOap: ntfsclone is faster if the disc is like 70% empty. |
| 18:49.26 | Guilt | btw, the tomcat installation got problems in it's default install. if tomcat-webapps isn't installed, even the ROOT.xml isn't there, so it won't display a thing when run |
| 18:49.33 | ttuttle | JordiGH: Er, yeah... because doing 4 pixels at once using SSE3 is a *lot* worse than doing two pixels at once across two cores, and wasting extra cache bandwidth to share code. |
| 18:49.36 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Hm. Without the several hundred gigs of RAM? |
| 18:49.53 | Guilt | and the Tomcat host-manager and manager files aren't there. those are very very useful modules, you know |
| 18:49.54 | Guilt | :) |
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| 18:50.12 | Guilt | although a seperate package exists for tomcat-admin, which isn't all that great |
| 18:50.13 | Guilt | :P |
| 18:50.31 | JordiGH | It appears I hold a common misconception: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64_bit#Pros_and_cons |
| 18:50.35 | ttuttle | Okay... if the mplayer I have can play this file, there *must* be a way to get an mencoder that can decode it too. |
| 18:50.44 | zOap | blubberdiblub, No, I'm trying to clone my /dev/hda disk(40GB) to a usb disk /dev/sda/ (40GB), my hda disk is ext3 while my sda disk is FOR NOW ntfs. I need sda to be a cloned hda disk with EXT3, NOT NTFS. this is very important. time is not a problem. I have lots of it. I think:D Am I doing this right? |
| 18:50.50 | jelly-home | ttuttle: wait... it can't even decode it? |
| 18:51.00 | wols | ttuttle: is your mencoder from marillat? and what codec does the file use? |
| 18:51.04 | Guilt | well. if IcedTea kicks off, gcj will become a ghost :-) |
| 18:51.10 | ttuttle | wols: Gimme a sec. |
| 18:51.11 | asg | Guilt: but not everyone needs them so they are packaged separately |
| 18:51.19 | blubberdiblub | zOap: oh, the other way round. then use dd :) |
| 18:51.20 | ttuttle | jelly-home: No, it says I'm missing a codec. But mplayer doesn't complain. |
| 18:51.29 | jelly-home | Guilt: IcedTea =~ free HotSpot? |
| 18:51.41 | Guilt | yeah. |
| 18:51.45 | ttuttle | Selected video codec: [ffwmv1] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg M$ WMV1/WMV7) |
| 18:51.52 | ttuttle | Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm: ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg)) |
| 18:51.53 | Guilt | asg: what about ROOT.xml? and the ROOT dir. it's required for atleast showing that the server runs |
| 18:51.58 | ttuttle | ^^ that's what mplayer chose. |
| 18:52.00 | Guilt | on the default install it's like: 404 |
| 18:52.03 | Guilt | host not found |
| 18:52.04 | jelly-home | !kill all the Ice* naming people |
| 18:52.04 | ttuttle | (There's a RealVideo version of it too.) |
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| 18:52.11 | zOap | blubberdiblub, ok, I'l do that:) Actually, I am allready:D |
| 18:52.11 | Guilt | :/ that's kinda' screwed up. |
| 18:52.47 | jelly-home | ttuttle: hmph, are you forcing the codec on mencoder to something other than ffmpeg? |
| 18:52.53 | asg | Guilt: yes, but some would like only to deply very specific things. The package has a 'Suggests: ' line which is used to alert you that you might wish to have the extraneous packages. |
| 18:52.59 | Guilt | if tomcat-webapps is installed, it gives me a whole lot more than _JUST_ root. it gives me things like servlets-examples which i don't even need. |
| 18:52.59 | asg | *deploy |
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| 18:53.16 | ttuttle | jelly-home: input or output codec? I forced the output to lavc. |
| 18:53.18 | Guilt | asg: but i'm sure the ROOT can be packaged with TC. it's got no harm. |
| 18:53.36 | jelly-home | ttuttle: input... you said decoding didn't work |
| 18:53.41 | Guilt | and i'm sure nobody can put up a server web page without the ROOT context/webmodule |
| 18:53.47 | IgorSobreira | hi all...is there better repositories for Debian? i have these ones: http://paste.uni.cc/17037 .... |
| 18:53.55 | ttuttle | jelly-home: Yeah, I didn't touch the input. |
| 18:54.11 | Guilt | a server webpage which links to other modules. this is, assuming nobody really bothers about mod_proxy_ajp with apache. |
| 18:54.11 | ttuttle | Wow, I didn't have ffmpeg. |
| 18:54.23 | asg | Guilt: they can write their own. If you think this is a grevious error, feel free to file a bug and let the maintainer explain his/her justification. |
| 18:54.28 | jelly-home | ttuttle: you did have libavcodec* |
| 18:54.38 | jelly-home | ttuttle: else mplayer wouldn't have worked |
| 18:54.45 | ttuttle | jelly-home: Yeah. |
| 18:55.10 | ttuttle | jelly-home: But this is strange. If I say -ovc copy, it can decode where the frames start and end, and will save it. But if I say -ovc lavc, it complains that the codec is missing. |
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| 18:55.19 | ttuttle | jelly-home: But like I said... mplayer can find the codec! |
| 18:55.38 | dbmoodb | meh ? |
| 18:55.45 | dbmoodb | ... so what is the problem ? |
| 18:55.58 | jelly-home | ttuttle: I'd nag the upstream in #mplayer, but first thing they'll ask is if you use a self-build or a packaged version, then blame the distro |
| 18:56.13 | ttuttle | jelly-home: I should use Linux From Scratch. Then I can always nag upstream. |
| 18:56.39 | jelly-home | ttuttle: so, reproduce with a mencoder from tar.gz, then go nag :-) |
| 18:57.02 | ttuttle | jelly-home: Well they'll ask if/how I installed the codec, and I don't know, because debian did, not me. |
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| 18:58.14 | Guilt | i'm here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=tomcat5.5;dist=unstable#_4_6_5 |
| 18:58.46 | Guilt | but i'm not seeing some kinda' report-filing page or somethin |
| 18:58.51 | Guilt | should i just email those guys? |
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| 18:59.07 | wols | !reportbug |
| 18:59.07 | dpkg | well, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 18:59.19 | asg | Guilt: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 18:59.47 | blubberdiblub | zOap: and you can send dd SIGUSR1, then it outputs how far it has progressed up to that time |
| 18:59.52 | kadeg | I want to ask something... but don't know if sure in the right place. mayb e you vould help though. i want to create a a file with 0101010 and the how many 0 and 1 it has the file has this size in bits. I tried to with binary editors but all i got was the 0 and 1 in bytes as every 0 and 1 is one byte but the truth is that in pc they are bits, right? any ideaS? |
| 19:00.34 | jelly-home | ttuttle: ... btw are the versions of libavcodec* and mplayer/mencoder matched? |
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| 19:00.53 | ttuttle | jelly-home: You're asking me? |
| 19:01.16 | jelly-home | ttuttle: yes |
| 19:01.45 | jelly-home | ttuttle: marillat always has cvs snapshot taken the same day from cvs AFAICT |
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| 19:01.59 | _olaf | hi is there a way to switch back to iso-encoding (instead of utf) for etch? |
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| 19:02.22 | jelly-home | ttuttle: libavcodeccvs51 from 2007-08-23 and mplayer from the same day, for example |
| 19:02.52 | annkas | I'd like to find the ip-addrese for my wireless accesspoint. How do I do that. I am now sitting a workstation on the same switch as the accesspoint |
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| 19:03.15 | ttuttle | jelly-home: That doesn't help with mencoder. |
| 19:03.24 | jelly-home | ttuttle: mplayer tar.gz brings (and builds and links) its own ffmpeg codecs... I'm not sure if this is an equivalent in packaging, but it looks that way |
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| 19:03.40 | xingu | annkas: arping it's ethernet address (find this in iwconfig) |
| 19:03.45 | troubled | kadeg: ? you mean a checkerboard patter? 10101010? |
| 19:04.04 | kadeg | troubled, yeah |
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| 19:04.20 | annkas | xingu: could you try to spell it for me? |
| 19:04.46 | troubled | kadeg: are you looking to scramble an existing file? or just fill a new one to a certain size? |
| 19:05.20 | kadeg | troubled, i want to fill a new one |
| 19:06.10 | troubled | kadeg: ascii 170 is the patten 10101010 btw. "ª" |
| 19:06.19 | jelly-home | kadeg: um write bytes 0x55 or 0xaa? |
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| 19:06.51 | kara_lahana | hi people |
| 19:07.07 | kara_lahana | i have a question i use vserver with debian |
| 19:07.26 | troubled | kadeg: possibly something like: while (true); do echo -n �;done | dd count=10 of=foo.checkers |
| 19:07.28 | kadeg | troubled, and how can i create a file in ascii 170? |
| 19:07.36 | annkas | xingu: iwconfig would be on a laptop with access to the wireless accesspoint? |
| 19:07.45 | kadeg | jelly-home, you mean making a text file with 0x55 and so on in a hexer? |
| 19:07.48 | Guilt | submitted |
| 19:07.52 | xingu | annkas: yep, just trying to build a working test case here |
| 19:07.54 | kara_lahana | just i recognise that the /boot is empty |
| 19:07.58 | kara_lahana | how bad is it |
| 19:07.59 | kara_lahana | :) |
| 19:08.05 | Guilt | although not sure if it'll be recieved. OpenPGP adds some kinda' header/footer to the email |
| 19:08.14 | troubled | kadeg: in the "echo -n" part, do the alt+170 keypad trick to use that character |
| 19:08.20 | jelly-home | kadeg: yes, or cat /dev/zero | tr '\0' U :-) |
| 19:08.21 | x3rus | had someone use tightvnc before? |
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| 19:08.38 | x3rus | I set the passwd but it doesn't work at all, the server is already running |
| 19:08.45 | jelly-home | troubled: U is simpler to type (and is 0x55) |
| 19:08.45 | xingu | annkas: unfortunately my AP is too well locked down; iwconfig | grep 'Access Point'; then use arping ma:ca:dd:re:ss |
| 19:09.00 | kadeg | troubled, i don't know that trick! |
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| 19:09.50 | kara_lahana | just i recognise that the /boot is empty is my kernel deleted ??? |
| 19:09.54 | asg | kara_lahana: did you install it or are you just using a vserver instance running debian? |
| 19:09.58 | annkas | I've got a laptop here, I'll look at it - but it can't get authentication - that's the reason I want to reach the accesspoint |
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| 19:10.01 | kadeg | ok let me explain better. I have create in C a program using with huffmans algorithm. it gets a text and makes each character like this 010101 for example let's says... if i save after in a new file each character like this then I will have no encoding but more space used....? |
| 19:10.18 | kara_lahana | no i get vserver as installed |
| 19:10.37 | kara_lahana | that was a dedicat system which i buy |
| 19:11.08 | kara_lahana | is the instalation of vserver other as harddevice... |
| 19:11.17 | annkas | xingu: macadress is written on the accesspoint - I'll try ... |
| 19:11.21 | asg | kara_lahana: then the kernel resides outside of your instance. You are essentially sharing a kernel with others on the same host. |
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| 19:11.35 | kara_lahana | himmm get it thanks |
| 19:11.36 | jelly-home | kara_lahana: vserver is a glorified chroot, it has no own kernel... this is normal. |
| 19:11.40 | asg | kara_lahana: no worries |
| 19:12.10 | kara_lahana | thanks i go to dring simething because of stress i lost to much water.... |
| 19:12.10 | kara_lahana | :D |
| 19:13.20 | jelly-home | kadeg: this is a C issue, you need to learn how to write the correct encoded binary output |
| 19:13.45 | Guilt | btw. why don't they load the gtk installer if they can detect a framebuffer? |
| 19:13.48 | jelly-home | sounds like a homework :-| |
| 19:13.59 | xingu | I was just thinking that |
| 19:14.00 | Guilt | is that contrary to debian goals? ::) |
| 19:14.16 | kadeg | jelly-home, hahah... not yet... university not yet started .... will in september |
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| 19:15.18 | Guilt | Wierd: Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): unknown-package@qa.debian.org |
| 19:15.27 | Guilt | it's not an unknown pac |
| 19:15.27 | jelly-home | Guilt: someone decided the default is still the text one? |
| 19:15.32 | beered | can htaccess file deny access in / and all of it's sub directories? |
| 19:15.40 | Guilt | yeah :) that's what i'm wondering |
| 19:15.53 | Nielsen | yes beered |
| 19:15.59 | wols | beered: yes |
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| 19:16.34 | beered | ok. do I need some special code to make it work, or it does that by default? |
| 19:16.37 | Shadowcat | anyone know how to unmute sound in debian? |
| 19:16.52 | Shadowcat | because apparently everything's muted by default |
| 19:16.57 | Nielsen | Shadowcat: install alsamixer |
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| 19:17.11 | Shadowcat | Nielsen: that's installed |
| 19:17.12 | Shadowcat | now what? |
| 19:17.23 | cahoot | invoke-rc.d alsa-utils rest 0 should do the trick |
| 19:17.27 | Nielsen | Shadowcat: then unmute what you need, and run sudo alsactl store |
| 19:17.28 | cahoot | reset |
| 19:18.09 | Nielsen | 'alsactl store' saves the default sound settings, and the init scripts reloads them on reboot |
| 19:18.50 | beered | I have a cron script that's not listed when I crontab -e. How do I find out where is this script? |
| 19:19.12 | Shadowcat | according to this thing |
| 19:19.14 | Shadowcat | they're all on max |
| 19:19.17 | Shadowcat | yet I still can't hear a thing |
| 19:19.25 | Nielsen | Shadowcat: does it say MM at the bottom? |
| 19:19.41 | jelly-home | beered: /etc/cron.* /etc/crontab or some users' crontab |
| 19:19.45 | Shadowcat | where should it say that? |
| 19:20.02 | Shadowcat | apparently the Audigy SE is one hell of a card to get going in Linux |
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| 19:20.53 | cahoot | Shadowcat, level is different from mute status (FYI) |
| 19:20.59 | Nielsen | Shadowcat: in alsamixer, at the bottom of the volume controls |
| 19:21.07 | Shadowcat | no |
| 19:21.43 | beered | Shadowcat: are your speakers muted? |
| 19:21.52 | Shadowcat | no |
| 19:21.59 | Shadowcat | if I turn the speakers up to full |
| 19:22.05 | annkas | xingu: I got the macadresse, I try arp 00:0D:54:A0:19:AE - but get unknown host, I've tried from the laptop as well - it sees the AP |
| 19:22.06 | Shadowcat | I can hear some sound |
| 19:22.14 | Shadowcat | which definately means that it's muted internally |
| 19:22.26 | Shadowcat | because under normal circumstances the sound system would blow out a window in that mode |
| 19:22.28 | xingu | annkas: arping; install the package, run the command. |
| 19:22.55 | annkas | xingu: I've got the package - using the command |
| 19:22.59 | dbmoodb | meow |
| 19:23.00 | beered | Shadowcat: maybe you went deaf and you don't know it. :P |
| 19:23.37 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: turn them back up to 11, then give me your auth data so I can wake the neighbors with a screamer flash :> |
| 19:23.38 | dbmoodb | maybe he is |
| 19:23.52 | Shadowcat | very funny |
| 19:23.53 | dbmoodb | what is the time shadow ? |
| 19:23.55 | DexterF | what are my chances a testing package works in stable? |
| 19:24.01 | dbmoodb | dexterf - good |
| 19:24.06 | dbmoodb | !backports |
| 19:24.06 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 19:24.16 | xingu | annkas: in that case the AP is configured to not respond to broadcast ping and you're probably SOL - a factory reset will probably return it to its default config, which will probably include dhcp server function; if you do that then configure a dhcp client - you'll know its default/burned-in address. |
| 19:24.20 | DexterF | no aircrack backport in backports |
| 19:24.25 | annkas | xingu: installed arping - then iputils-arping got removed |
| 19:24.29 | DexterF | that is - outdated version |
| 19:24.30 | Shadowcat | I don't see what time has to do with my problem |
| 19:24.31 | dbmoodb | oh yeah - well i am using it |
| 19:24.31 | Eulex | how do I grep for the character '*'? |
| 19:24.41 | dbmoodb | dexterf - grab the testing one - it works |
| 19:24.48 | asg | DexterF: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:24.57 | dbmoodb | no it's a lenny one |
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| 19:25.22 | DexterF | dbmoodb: how do I sntall only that one package from testing? apt and pinning or is there an easy way? |
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| 19:25.33 | DexterF | thought lenny was testing...? |
| 19:25.37 | asg | it is |
| 19:25.38 | beered | vim is killing me in Etch. How do I map arrow keys from letters to nav buttons? |
| 19:26.03 | JordiGH | beered: Why would you want to destroy everything that is good and holy about vim? |
| 19:26.03 | asg | nav buttons? |
| 19:26.20 | dbmoodb | oh dexterf - it is - grab it from the pool or aircrack-ng site |
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| 19:26.52 | DexterF | dbmoodb: no deb on the site, only src. will use that i guess. |
| 19:26.54 | Eulex | got it, '\*' |
| 19:26.56 | JordiGH | beered: Moving wrists away from the homerow keys is for chumps. |
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| 19:27.57 | beered | oh ghee |
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| 19:28.00 | DexterF | asg: if I add sid to my sources, will apt only get packages when I explicitly tell it with -t or will it generally check there first? |
| 19:28.09 | annkas | xingu: do I have to give my self a static ip 192.168.0.10 or something to be able to get the AP's ip-addresse? |
| 19:28.09 | waspius | how do i change server in irssi? |
| 19:28.16 | asg | DexterF: read teh factoid, it's very important |
| 19:28.30 | asg | waspius: /help server |
| 19:28.37 | waspius | asg: thanx |
| 19:28.47 | xingu | annkas: not if it has a dhcp server; configure a system as a dhcp client - it'll learn the dhcp server's address along the way. |
| 19:28.49 | beered | JordiGH: that's a trick question and I'm not answering that... |
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| 19:29.16 | DexterF | asg: ah.. only the src line.. ok. |
| 19:29.17 | wAndyw78 | annkas: If you reset your AP to factory defaults. You can use your handbook and read tehere ne default IP or use dhclient |
| 19:29.21 | JordiGH | beered: At any rate, I don't know what you mean. The arrow keys work on my vim. Well, vim-tiny, to be precise. |
| 19:29.47 | ErkiDerLoony | waspius: Ctrl + X, I think. |
| 19:30.00 | ErkiDerLoony | waspius: In the Alt+1 window. |
| 19:30.18 | JordiGH | beered: version 1:7.1-056+2, for the record. Just updated today. |
| 19:30.42 | waspius | ErkiDerLoony: thanx..i found it |
| 19:30.42 | asg | beered: it is possible that your windowing environment or terminal program has re-defined the arrow key mappings for its own nefarious purposes. AFAIK, that hasn't been an issue with vim in Debian since potato was stable. |
| 19:30.56 | beered | JordiGH: well, what is default 'vi' editor in etch? I though it was vim, but whatever it is, it's not mapping arrow keys. |
| 19:31.06 | asg | beered: nvi is the default |
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| 19:31.13 | beered | asg: no, that's not possible. I have 3 windows open only only etch server is screwing up. |
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| 19:31.23 | asg | beered: update-alternatives --config vi |
| 19:32.01 | beered | asg: vim.tiny |
| 19:32.07 | JordiGH | beered: You sure it's etch's fault, not your terminal? |
| 19:32.28 | asg | beered: in the terminal where etch is running, what does 'echo $TERM' print? |
| 19:32.42 | beered | JordiGH: tricky question. not answering that one either. |
| 19:32.56 | JordiGH | beered: answer asg's question, then. |
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| 19:33.04 | beered | asg: I'm using xterm |
| 19:33.12 | JordiGH | beered: And you, sir, are a vim heathen. |
| 19:33.15 | asg | beered: is that what 'echo $TERM' prints? |
| 19:33.28 | beered | asg: it prints xterm print. |
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| 19:34.23 | JordiGH | beered: vimtutor. ;-) |
| 19:34.25 | asg | beered: and what are you sshing to the etch box from? What terminal emulator is it using? |
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| 19:35.12 | beered | asg: ok. I can't tell you that publicly. |
| 19:35.18 | x_link | Progress bar, which one is that? |
| 19:35.19 | beered | asg: putty |
| 19:35.22 | beered | cough |
| 19:35.22 | beered | cough |
| 19:35.35 | ErkiDerLoony | !flood |
| 19:35.35 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:35.40 | Nielsen | beered: please dont do tha |
| 19:36.20 | JordiGH | beered: Looks like we have found the problem. :-) |
| 19:36.21 | asg | beered: well, then I'm not sure. The last time I used putty on Windows to hit an etch box, arrows in vim worked fine. |
| 19:36.43 | ErkiDerLoony | Use nano! |
| 19:36.53 | JordiGH | beered: Do arrows work elsewhere? e.g. nano? |
| 19:37.00 | JordiGH | beered: Or in bash? |
| 19:37.27 | asg | ErkiDerLoony: that'll be even more useless if his arrow keys don't work |
| 19:37.51 | JordiGH | Emacs! |
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| 19:38.04 | asg | !be ed |
| 19:38.04 | dpkg | ? |
| 19:38.04 | beered | JordiGH: yes, in nano everything works fine. I'm telling you guys this is Etch vim thingy. Upper arrow key is letter A. |
| 19:38.06 | ErkiDerLoony | asg: Why that? I don't need no arrow keys for nano... |
| 19:38.13 | JordiGH | Who needs arrow keys when you have C-f C-b, C-n C-p? |
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| 19:38.46 | asg | ErkiDerLoony: because he then has to learn an even more silly way of moving around. |
| 19:38.47 | hark | that's because it's vim-tiny |
| 19:38.58 | asg | does he need vim-basic? |
| 19:38.59 | JordiGH | asg: cat! "cat - > hello.c" |
| 19:39.15 | asg | JordiGH: I'd rather use ed(1) |
| 19:39.36 | JordiGH | hark: I have vim-tiny and arrows work fine for me. |
| 19:39.55 | Guilt | http://www.debian.org/logos/officiallogo.svg <- what does this mean: vaporware? |
| 19:40.03 | ErkiDerLoony | In my vim all arrow keys work. |
| 19:40.17 | Guilt | i never knew the logo had a jug of some sort |
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| 19:40.22 | JordiGH | Guilt: No! Genie! Magic! |
| 19:40.26 | Guilt | all i thought was it had that doodle thing |
| 19:40.38 | Guilt | eh? so the debian vapors mean magic genie? |
| 19:40.41 | JordiGH | Guilt: I don't think we've used the official logo in ages for anything. |
| 19:40.50 | JordiGH | Guilt: Yes. It's a genie bottle! |
| 19:40.55 | Guilt | hmmm :) |
| 19:41.01 | hark | JordiGH: someone else earlier had this very same problem |
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| 19:41.51 | JordiGH | hark: I contest that this really isn't a problem at all with vim. The problem is that they haven't executed vimtutor yet. ;-) |
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| 19:42.14 | xingu | Guilt: it means that it's sweeter than a genie's fart. |
| 19:42.28 | Guilt | rofl |
| 19:42.39 | Guilt | it could be some kinda' pot |
| 19:42.43 | JordiGH | Dear lord, I can't believe I'm defending vim. I hope St iGNUcius forgives me for this cardinal sin. |
| 19:42.43 | ding | Anyone else have trouble accessing a subversion repository after a dist-upgrade? I got upgraded to libdb4.4-dev and now I get errors when trying to access my repository. Not sure how to diagnose the problem... |
| 19:42.49 | Guilt | where you inhale pot fumes |
| 19:42.54 | Guilt | :D makes sense |
| 19:42.58 | Guilt | install debian and do drugs |
| 19:43.00 | Guilt | \o/ |
| 19:43.25 | hark | with xterm meta+arrow keys output ABCD here |
| 19:43.31 | Guilt | well. nobody nowhere explained what the logos meant |
| 19:43.46 | riot | how can i turn off bluetooth on a thinkpad |
| 19:44.00 | en1gma | im following a guide on howto make a custom kernel 2.6 the debian way and am not sure if im supposed to do this line.... |
| 19:44.01 | en1gma | Now you have to install some packages that are needed by kernel 2.6. Add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 19:44.01 | en1gma | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ woody module-init-tools initrd-tools procps |
| 19:44.03 | Guilt | just use the hardware kill switch? |
| 19:44.05 | JordiGH | Guilt: I've also wondered about "apt-get moo". I guess cows are just funny. |
| 19:44.14 | Guilt | apt-get has a cow? |
| 19:44.17 | asg | JordiGH: you must install the cowsay package |
| 19:44.21 | wols | en1gma: are you running woody? |
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| 19:44.25 | JordiGH | Guilt: Yes. |
| 19:44.25 | en1gma | no |
| 19:44.28 | en1gma | sid |
| 19:44.38 | wols | en1gma: then why do you care about woody backports? |
| 19:44.42 | streuner_ | argh |
| 19:44.43 | JordiGH | asg: Yeah, I installed it. Cows talk. Cows also bounce in 3d. Hooray for cows! |
| 19:44.44 | JordiGH | !moo |
| 19:44.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:44.48 | en1gma | im doing what the tut says |
| 19:45.03 | Guilt | heh: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 |
| 19:45.04 | asg | en1gma: but it doesn't apply to your current system. /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:45.04 | wols | en1gma: yes, you are doing and not thinking |
| 19:45.14 | en1gma | it says "BACKPORTS" |
| 19:45.20 | Guilt | that bug says: apt-get moo doesn't look like a cow |
| 19:45.20 | asg | en1gma: you are running SID |
| 19:45.25 | en1gma | wols so i am thinking |
| 19:45.28 | JordiGH | Guilt: Hahaha! |
| 19:45.36 | wols | en1gma: no you are not. not a shred of thinking at all |
| 19:45.37 | Guilt | it looks like some kinda' vixen from somalia though |
| 19:45.37 | Guilt | :D |
| 19:45.41 | en1gma | BACKPORT would make me thing it goes BACK a prev DISTRO |
| 19:45.53 | en1gma | think b4 you get on someone |
| 19:46.13 | en1gma | did you even read the line it says to ADD to apt-sources |
| 19:46.14 | JordiGH | Guilt: I'm also waiting on my own bug: http://bugs.debian.org/413725 |
| 19:46.16 | asg | en1gma: yes, if you are running woody and you want a sid kernel, then you need a backport. |
| 19:46.30 | asg | en1gma: if you are running sid, there is no future distro from which you can make a backport at any time. |
| 19:46.40 | Guilt | well. |
| 19:46.45 | en1gma | backport does not make me think "future" |
| 19:46.52 | en1gma | it makes me think "back" |
| 19:47.05 | cahoot | from what? |
| 19:47.06 | Guilt | i kinda' hate to say it. but i really think this different name branding ain't worth it... :) |
| 19:47.09 | wols | !backport |
| 19:47.09 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 19:47.11 | Guilt | it confuses people |
| 19:47.14 | Guilt | :D |
| 19:47.19 | Guilt | i mean. seamonkey |
| 19:47.23 | JordiGH | en1gma: You port back. To the old distro. This is like that whole order of operands for "ln -s" thing. |
| 19:47.36 | asg | en1gma: is English your native language? |
| 19:47.48 | en1gma | ok thnx for the info...preciate it |
| 19:47.58 | JordiGH | Guilt: It's not Debian's decision to rename Iceweasel. It was either that or violate the DFSG. |
| 19:48.11 | en1gma | didnt know what a backport was...it just said to add the backports url to /apt/source.ks |
| 19:48.14 | en1gma | lst* |
| 19:48.18 | asg | JordiGH: they could have named it FlamingBucketOfShit |
| 19:48.20 | JordiGH | Guilt: Mozilla got uppity with Debian and Debian had to comply. Yes, it sucks, but thta's how it is. |
| 19:48.30 | asg | en1gma: because, as wols said, you are doing but not thinking. |
| 19:48.34 | Guilt | uppity? |
| 19:48.39 | Guilt | and what be the DFSG? |
| 19:48.44 | asg | !dfsg |
| 19:48.44 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 19:48.44 | wols | !dfsg |
| 19:48.48 | hark | JordiGH: do the arrow keys work when you run vi itself, not vim? |
| 19:48.57 | Guilt | and why hasn't this been so with the other distros? |
| 19:48.58 | JordiGH | asg: It doesn't matter what it's called. I've had quite a bit of fun telling everyone at the Debian computer lab I'm sysadminning that Firefox is now Iceweasel. They can't even pronounce "Iceweasel"., |
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| 19:49.10 | peppe | Guilt: read about:README.Debian |
| 19:49.16 | asg | JordiGH: the iceweasels are cunning |
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| 19:50.25 | Guilt | i don't have a copy of iceweasel installed on this server machine |
| 19:50.38 | Guilt | mind putting it on pastebin? |
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| 19:50.50 | Guilt | and all these gtk thingies are so bloated :( |
| 19:51.02 | peppe | Guilt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
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| 19:51.47 | konrad | can somebody help me with ndswrapper ? |
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| 19:52.17 | wols | !tell konrad about ask |
| 19:52.32 | ErkiDerLoony | !tell ErkiDerLoony about ask |
| 19:52.40 | riot | how do i disable an integrated bluetooth-module on a thinkpad? There's no acpi-action associated :( |
| 19:52.43 | JordiGH | !tell ErkiDerLoony about message the bot |
| 19:52.46 | Guilt | it's a HUGE thread |
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| 19:53.03 | peppe | Guilt: look on wikipedia, maybe |
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| 19:53.10 | streuner_ | riot: integreated, you mean in kernel? |
| 19:53.14 | Guilt | it's just as big as the BSD vs GPL license thread that's going on the mailing lists |
| 19:53.19 | wols | !tell riot about blacklist |
| 19:53.25 | Guilt | i wonder why people kinda' fight about this stuff |
| 19:53.27 | wols | riot: if you mean the BT driver in linux |
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| 19:53.33 | Guilt | i mean. none of these guys are bad guys |
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| 19:53.47 | JordiGH | Guilt: Ok, fine, I'll paste it: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/README.Debian |
| 19:53.50 | Guilt | just lost in legality and morality |
| 19:53.50 | Guilt | :) |
| 19:54.00 | wols | Guilt: cause they BSD folks are sorta pissed ethically (legally it's ok, but not ethically) |
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| 19:55.05 | riot | no, i mean the physical device, it needs to be unplugged from the usb-bus.. |
| 19:55.12 | hark | JordiGH: ? |
| 19:55.20 | peppe | Guilt: the short story is that mozilla don't allow anyone to use the "Firefox" name and logo (which are copyrighted). the logo itself is not free. mozilla didn't give to debian the permission to use the "Firefox" branding, so here it comes iceweasel |
| 19:55.26 | konrad | i follow the instruction and install ndiswrapper, my system see my wi-fi card, i install good driver but still when i write iwconfig i didn't see wlan0 (wireless) :( why ? |
| 19:55.33 | wols | riot: when it's integrated, how do you propose to do this. and why? |
| 19:55.39 | Guilt | well. it didn't have many changes, when i read the README.debian file |
| 19:55.50 | wols | konrad: ifconfig -a |
| 19:55.51 | Guilt | and i wonder why mozilla should issues with people using the logo |
| 19:56.01 | Guilt | i mean. Debian does have the copyright notice, right? |
| 19:56.09 | wols | Guilt: cause the logo is trademarked. and one has to defend a trademark or lose it |
| 19:56.15 | Guilt | the firefox blah logo are trademarks/copyrights mozilla foundation blah |
| 19:56.19 | JordiGH | I'm kinda worried about Iceweasel's bug backlog, though. It's huge. |
| 19:56.27 | konrad | wols- thereis only ethernet |
| 19:56.27 | wols | basically OpenSOurce is hacking the IP law, and as usual with hacks, there is friction |
| 19:56.38 | en1gma | does sid have a initrd-tools |
| 19:56.41 | JordiGH | hark: What's the question? |
| 19:56.43 | wols | konrad: then you are lacking something |
| 19:56.51 | streuner_ | JordiGH: the package itself is big and many people use it... |
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| 19:56.56 | asg | en1gma: apt-cache search initrd-tools |
| 19:56.57 | riot | wols: because it must be possible? because i need my usb-bus empty?? |
| 19:57.00 | wols | en1gma: no. why do you need an initrd? |
| 19:57.01 | JordiGH | streuner_: And only one maintainer? |
| 19:57.09 | jesseboy12 | does anyone know the apt-get command to get the mount.smbfs tools working |
| 19:57.17 | asg | jesseboy12: smbfs |
| 19:57.27 | wols | riot: you might be able to disable things in BIOS |
| 19:57.29 | streuner_ | !maint iceweasel |
| 19:57.31 | dpkg | iceweasel: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org> |
| 19:57.32 | konrad | wols - but what is it ?:( |
| 19:57.38 | wols | jesseboy12: smbclient |
| 19:57.48 | wols | konrad: check your logs |
| 19:57.51 | jesseboy12 | k iw ill try that thanks |
| 19:58.01 | en1gma | asg cryptsetup - configures encrypted block devices |
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| 19:58.04 | konrad | wols- i see you one help everybody :) respect |
| 19:58.09 | firetruuh | http://tinyurl.com/2ldyds could anyone help me with this ? thanks |
| 19:58.23 | riot | wols: oh, got it.. there's an ibm-acpi. |
| 19:58.23 | wols | konrad: I don't. I just wait for a reason to flame people. like en1gma |
| 19:58.27 | JordiGH | streuner_: Yes, I know it's eric dorland. Hm, how can I check for NMUs? |
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| 19:58.35 | JordiGH | In QA, right? |
| 19:58.37 | wols | riot: and that allows you to disable hardware? |
| 19:58.38 | pibe86 | hello, i was camilo_ |
| 19:58.52 | pibe86 | now i reconfigured my xorg |
| 19:58.53 | riot | wols: yep. strange, that it is not integrated into the acpi-scripts. |
| 19:58.55 | simonrvn | pretty obvious from your username ;) |
| 19:58.56 | en1gma | -bash: mkinitrd: command not found |
| 19:58.59 | pibe86 | thanks you all |
| 19:59.05 | asg | en1gma: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:59.12 | Guilt | well. i kinda' like debian patches |
| 19:59.23 | hark | JordiGH: running vi and the trying the arrow keys, not vim (assuming you've only got vim-tiny installed) |
| 19:59.24 | asg | en1gma: if you don't know what you are doing, then stop running sid. Please. |
| 19:59.25 | wols | en1gma: why do you need that? in short: why do you follow a several year old howto when people told you about a more recent one? |
| 19:59.29 | Guilt | :) but i don't see a reason why mozilla should release the source then |
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| 19:59.41 | pibe86 | what is the command to see if my graphic accelerator is actived? |
| 19:59.43 | wols | asg: you really exepct him to follow your advice? |
| 19:59.49 | hark | JordiGH: i found this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/70569 |
| 19:59.50 | wols | afaik he's been told not to use sid before |
| 19:59.50 | Guilt | if that didn't work, maybe the firefox should end up in non-free |
| 19:59.56 | Guilt | like ipw or somethin |
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| 20:00.01 | wols | pibe86: glxinfo |
| 20:00.07 | Guilt | :) this kinda' sucks, right? |
| 20:00.07 | pibe86 | wols, ty |
| 20:00.08 | wols | firetruuh: don't do this |
| 20:00.11 | asg | wols: good point *sigh* |
| 20:00.13 | konrad | wols- sory ... how can i check this ?:) |
| 20:00.16 | JordiGH | hark: yeah, it works. vi is just an /etc/alternatives symlink to vim. |
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| 20:00.20 | simonrvn | firetruuh: FFS don't do that |
| 20:00.23 | jelly-home | firetruuh: don't spam |
| 20:00.24 | konrad | wols- my ndiswrapper log |
| 20:00.25 | Guilt | "why give the source away when you don't want people to distribute it?" |
| 20:00.28 | firetruuh | sorry |
| 20:00.29 | Guilt | so they can learn? |
| 20:00.32 | en1gma | if something isnt working in sid...dont blame me...just tell me its not working |
| 20:00.32 | streuner_ | firetruuh: dont use URL's which doesn't show the domain itself |
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| 20:00.40 | peppe | Guilt: actually people can distribute it |
| 20:00.43 | wols | en1gma: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 20:00.54 | Guilt | then firefox isn't really open source. freedom to modify etc. |
| 20:01.02 | zinx | Guilt: it is, though |
| 20:01.05 | pibe86 | wols, it is on, hand how can i know how many fps i am getting? |
| 20:01.05 | Guilt | peppe: eh? then what's wrong with the trademarking? |
| 20:01.11 | streuner_ | JordiGH: you want do a NMU? |
| 20:01.11 | pibe86 | and* |
| 20:01.12 | jelly-home | firetruuh: your page doesn't describe your debian problem and is full of flash |
| 20:01.12 | GarryFre | !sound |
| 20:01.12 | dpkg | [sound] ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 20:01.13 | daworm | hi |
| 20:01.15 | wols | en1gma: I blame you for not reading and thinking. and that is NOT sid's fault but ALL YOURS |
| 20:01.18 | zinx | Guilt: they just don't want the firefox trademarked used on modified versions |
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| 20:01.23 | Guilt | zinx: freedom to modify and distribute and call it Firefox? |
| 20:01.23 | peppe | Guilt: you just cannot use "Firefox" branding for your modified firefox. it is a slightly different point |
| 20:01.26 | wols | pibe86: that is non sensical |
| 20:01.27 | zinx | erh, s/trademarked/trademark/ |
| 20:01.34 | asg | Guilt: it's open source but it isn't free software |
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| 20:01.36 | Guilt | just that you don't blame Mozilla if things go wrong |
| 20:01.39 | zinx | Guilt: trademarks are separate from copyrights |
| 20:01.43 | en1gma | wols " Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd." i have no mkinitrd |
| 20:01.45 | firetruuh | http://tinyurl.com/2ldyds |
| 20:01.46 | pibe86 | wols, i know, just to see how many fps |
| 20:01.54 | Guilt | well. the modifications ain't major |
| 20:01.58 | zinx | Guilt: the firefox trademark isn't free to use by anyone who feels like using it |
| 20:01.58 | wols | en1gma: who cares? |
| 20:01.59 | peppe | Guilt: no, you just can't use the name, the artworks etc. |
| 20:02.11 | Guilt | most distros ship firefoxes with their own gtk themes, home pages, different sets of icons |
| 20:02.12 | jelly-home | !ops firetruuh spamming |
| 20:02.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: firetruuh spamming |
| 20:02.19 | wols | !tell en1gma about search |
| 20:02.20 | zinx | Guilt: the source is covered by the MPL afaik, which is DFSG-free |
| 20:02.26 | hark | JordiGH: and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/62980 |
| 20:02.28 | streuner_ | firetruuh: stop that, use the paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) from us |
| 20:02.32 | wols | en1gma: if you are unable to search, you are unable to run sid. QeD |
| 20:02.33 | Guilt | and call it firefox. and they are definitely not under scrutiny. |
| 20:02.35 | JordiGH | streuner_: No, I was just curious about how many there were. Quite a few: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
| 20:02.35 | firetruuh | http://tinyurl.com/2ldyds |
| 20:02.37 | Guilt | hmm |
| 20:02.45 | asg | *plonk* |
| 20:02.47 | jelly-home | streuner_: he doesn't even want help, it's a dumb page with ads |
| 20:02.51 | Guilt | DFSG. need to read these licenses in detail |
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| 20:03.00 | wAndyw78 | !ops firetruuth spamming |
| 20:03.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wandyw78 complains about: firetruuth spamming |
| 20:03.02 | Guilt | even a lawyer will have a tough time reading these |
| 20:03.23 | asg | wAndyw78: the ops have already been summoned. Calling them again will anger them. |
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| 20:03.31 | wAndyw78 | sorry... |
| 20:03.33 | peppe | Guilt: maybe mozilla foundation give to those distros the permission to make some change. I was talking about firefox branding artwork, however |
| 20:03.53 | wAndyw78 | got a cup of coffee, went back and saw fire |
| 20:03.54 | streuner_ | jelly-home: fine, we should get rid of him, some staffer should care about him then... |
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| 20:04.10 | peppe | mozilla explicitely said that debian cannot use the name "firefox", so just stop discussing about that |
| 20:04.14 | streuner_ | versuchsanstalt: moin |
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| 20:04.35 | versuchsanstalt | moin streuner_ |
| 20:04.37 | versuchsanstalt | :) |
| 20:04.48 | asg | Guilt: if you search the mailing list archives, the whole argument is there for your reading pleasure. |
| 20:04.50 | FunctorSalad | minor but annoying problem: aptitude almost always crashes after (successfully) installing something |
| 20:05.12 | FunctorSalad | (it loads the package view again, then crashes) |
| 20:05.17 | Guilt | well. these arguments are kinda' bad :( |
| 20:05.24 | firetruuh | http://tinyurl.com/2ldyds |
| 20:05.26 | Guilt | the one who suffers is the end-users |
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| 20:05.45 | Guilt | do they keep patching iceweasel with the ffox tree often? |
| 20:05.53 | JordiGH | Can /etc/alternatives be used per user instead of systemwide? |
| 20:06.04 | JordiGH | Guilt: Mozilla won't accept Debian patches if that's what you mean. |
| 20:06.11 | asg | JordiGH: no, that's what shell aliases are for |
| 20:06.12 | firetruuh | http://tinyurl.com/2ldyds |
| 20:06.21 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 20:06.33 | jesseboy12 | does anyone know if debian is hardware independant? meaning i can create an image on a machine with p3 hardware and transfer this image to a machine with p4 hardware with no issues. |
| 20:06.40 | RichiH | firetruuh: please don't spam that url all the time |
| 20:06.45 | RichiH | firetruuh: we have seen it |
| 20:06.48 | wols | jesseboy12: yes you can |
| 20:06.49 | JordiGH | jesseboy12: Unlikely. |
| 20:06.56 | jesseboy12 | ok...? |
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| 20:07.00 | Guilt | Jordi: so they're like. we make it for linux |
| 20:07.03 | Guilt | but not Debian |
| 20:07.04 | Guilt | eh? |
| 20:07.05 | jesseboy12 | two diff answers |
| 20:07.17 | RichiH | firetruuh: the ones that can, of want to, after you spammed here, help you will do so |
| 20:07.33 | stoned | jesseboy12: no |
| 20:07.34 | asg | Guilt: Debian has a more restrictive ideology on what constitutes free software. Of course, you can download their binaries or source and install them into /usr/local |
| 20:07.35 | JordiGH | wols: What about xorg.conf at the very least? |
| 20:07.37 | Guilt | well. the best part is they would accept ubuntu patches.. so it's theoretically possible to patch against these |
| 20:07.41 | kara_lahana | i will bi back see you all |
| 20:07.43 | wols | JordiGH: vesa |
| 20:07.43 | stoned | jesseboy12: you can't do this without problems |
| 20:08.01 | wols | stoned: which problems exactly? |
| 20:08.06 | JordiGH | wols: Wouldn't grub get confused? |
| 20:08.08 | Guilt | hmmmm |
| 20:08.26 | Guilt | btw. debian is lsb compliant, right? |
| 20:08.27 | JordiGH | jesseboy12: One second, the committee is discussing your proposal. |
| 20:08.32 | stoned | jesseboy12: you can however copy the same install on another machine, through a factoid ala dondelelcaro on how to use apt to copy the same packages one machien to another |
| 20:08.32 | Guilt | does that mean it ships with rpm? |
| 20:08.35 | wols | JordiGH: you can do it if it's the same layout. ie. if you move harddisks |
| 20:08.47 | stoned | as for imaging the drive and putting it in another machine with a diff hw config |
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| 20:08.48 | asg | Guilt: yes, it ships with rpm |
| 20:08.56 | JordiGH | Guilt: Yes, Debian has rpm. But don't use it. |
| 20:08.59 | wols | Guilt: it has rpm installable. and yes it's lsb compliant |
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| 20:09.07 | Guilt | and does it ship with lsb-library build binaries? |
| 20:09.11 | stoned | you might get kernel panics, system would probably start up, but you'd have to redo all the drivers again, if there are drivers which require additional software |
| 20:09.20 | Guilt | built* |
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| 20:09.25 | asg | Guilt: apt-cache search lsb |
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| 20:09.33 | stoned | wols: talking to jesseboy12 |
| 20:09.35 | Guilt | oh |
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| 20:09.47 | JordiGH | hark: I don't understand how the vi/vim calling could matter. Both are symlinked to vim.tiny |
| 20:10.02 | jesseboy12 | so... |
| 20:10.07 | jesseboy12 | perhaps it ccan be done |
| 20:10.13 | jesseboy12 | i used to use knoppix |
| 20:10.18 | jesseboy12 | based on debian as you know |
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| 20:10.21 | stoned | jesseboy12: not without some crazy problems |
| 20:10.23 | asg | JordiGH: vim.tiny still probably does different things depending on the value of $0 |
| 20:10.25 | stoned | !based on debian |
| 20:10.25 | jesseboy12 | and this wokred well.. |
| 20:10.25 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:10.26 | wols | jesseboy12: unlike windows, it won't simply cras on bootup. usually |
| 20:10.28 | Guilt | i wonder why they chose rpm though. why not .tar.gz or pkg-config/whatever |
| 20:10.35 | stoned | wols: quite right |
| 20:10.35 | jesseboy12 | mainly due to h/w detection |
| 20:10.37 | bolt | Has there ever been an attempt at making computers shout at eachother? I mean, communicating by playing a few different tones through their speakers and listening with their microphones? I wanna try this... |
| 20:10.52 | Guilt | bolt: you could, yeah. |
| 20:10.53 | asg | Guilt: rpm was considered more flexible iirc. |
| 20:10.58 | stoned | wols: however there are tools for windows, to remove hw specific drivers and use generic drivers and then reinstall new mobo or new hw etc. |
| 20:11.08 | jelly-home | bolt: have you heard about things called "modems"? |
| 20:11.14 | Guilt | well. i don't see people making virtual rpm packages |
| 20:11.17 | Guilt | like, for configuration |
| 20:11.19 | stoned | wols: as for linux, it doesn't of course crash like a bitch, but there are some thigns you have to do later on to get your hw working again |
| 20:11.39 | jelly-home | bolt: it's like two computers talking to each other via common phone lines! using sound! |
| 20:11.41 | moshii | How does one setup a system-wide database with debian's bogofilter? all mail is getting pushed through bogofilter by exim, but it must be using the users db because I can't find a system-wide one anywhere |
| 20:11.41 | wols | stoned: have you ever trusted those? I don't. in theory you can "repair" your windows install that way. in practice, if you want to keep your last hairs: reinstall |
| 20:11.50 | bolt | jelly-home: but I want wireless sound! |
| 20:11.56 | kram | hey guys, my debian decided to show me parts of gnome and apt outout in half geran since a few weeks, can anyone tell me how to make it speak english eagain? |
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| 20:12.02 | asg | bolt: hook modems up to cell phones then |
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| 20:12.06 | stoned | wols: well i don't trust them no, but just saying I've used them in the past and sometimes they work, sometimes not |
| 20:12.06 | Guilt | and thee only reason i think why rpm is popular is being lots of hardware vendors go redhat, green chameleon.. |
| 20:12.09 | Guilt | :P |
| 20:12.16 | Guilt | or a yellow wand |
| 20:12.42 | asg | or purple stars |
| 20:12.45 | Guilt | why not a puff of pink smoke? >:E |
| 20:12.47 | moshii | Guilt: rpm is popular because it was one of the first out on tha street |
| 20:12.58 | moshii | Guilt: doesn't mean it's any good |
| 20:13.13 | bolt | asg: too much radiation. sound waves are the way to go, i tell you! when tested and verified, the system could be configured to run on sound inaudible to humans! the more computers in the network, the less stray dogs in the neighbourhood. a handy side effect |
| 20:13.21 | JordiGH | Rpm is teh suck. |
| 20:13.24 | pipeline_ | Guilt: also, by the way, rpm IS just tar.gz, essentially. It's a CPIO archive with some shit appended to the front. |
| 20:13.25 | JordiGH | !rpm |
| 20:13.27 | \amethyst | bolt: you have until the end of March to get it implemented and write an RFC |
| 20:13.44 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Right, and .deb is jusr .ar essentially with some shit at the front. ;-) |
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| 20:14.22 | jelly-home | bolt: your method can't do duplex... it sucks |
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| 20:14.42 | Guilt | LSB came in 2001 |
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| 20:14.48 | Guilt | and RPM has been around since 1995 odd |
| 20:14.56 | moshii | JordiGH: the advantage of debs isn't the package but the fact that dpkg isn't retarded :) |
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| 20:15.23 | JordiGH | moshii: Of course. |
| 20:15.26 | firetruuh | http://geekouzouille.antiville.fr/ |
| 20:15.28 | firetruuh | http://geekouzouille.antiville.fr/ |
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| 20:15.33 | jelly-home | bolt: wires are the way to go if you want to minimize environment issues and still keep bandwidth. or, even better, glass. |
| 20:15.36 | Guilt | and Debian was in 1996 odd? |
| 20:15.39 | bolt | jelly-home: sure it can. by placing the computers next to walls and drilling holes in them, you can create unlimited amounts of channels for >1-way communication. the computers can be in chat rooms that are actually real rooms! |
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| 20:16.00 | bolt | jelly-home: or simpler, two computers could just use different frequencies. |
| 20:16.42 | Guilt | the problem is only in the dependancy issues |
| 20:16.52 | Guilt | some packages don't do pkg-config right. |
| 20:17.04 | Guilt | and they install in stupid places (/opt /usr/local) |
| 20:17.10 | Guilt | and rpm sucks at detecting that |
| 20:17.47 | JordiGH | The Elders have told in their tales that Debian 2.0 and previous didn't have dpkg. In fact, it didn't even ship binaries. Is this true? |
| 20:18.09 | jelly-home | JordiGH: it wasn't even there! |
| 20:18.53 | Guilt | the elders? |
| 20:18.56 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Were you there? |
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| 20:19.01 | jelly-home | JordiGH: it was called hamm to prevent spam from attacking |
| 20:19.01 | Guilt | :o i wonder how old the oldest elder is |
| 20:19.03 | JordiGH | Guilt: Bruce Perens and the like. :-) |
| 20:19.07 | moshii | When /etc/procmailrc is applied to incoming mail, what user does it run as? Does it run as if it's the owner of the mail? |
| 20:19.09 | Guilt | ooh |
| 20:19.13 | jelly-home | JordiGH: Sure. Bob was there, too. |
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| 20:19.28 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Who's Bob? |
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| 20:20.09 | Guilt | on perens' site: i see a firefox logo which says: take back the web |
| 20:20.11 | Guilt | so, is that good or bad? |
| 20:20.38 | JordiGH | Guilt: Perens hasn't been part of Debian for a while. And Firefox is good. Mozilla saying you can't use their logo is kinda bad, but bearable. |
| 20:20.39 | jelly-home | JordiGH: http://www.galactanet.com/comic/527.htm |
| 20:20.46 | moshii | firefox is teh suck IMHO |
| 20:20.53 | asg | Guilt: well, the person that created Debian now works for Sun so *shrug* |
| 20:21.29 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Heh. No, seriously, you're that much of an oldtimer? I've only been here for six or seven years. |
| 20:21.31 | asg | jelly-home: that's not why it was called hamm |
| 20:21.40 | moshii | asg: and Sun are just pushing rebranded x86 machines,.. |
| 20:21.56 | JordiGH | I remember when Woody was all the rage and the source of many sophomoric jokes. |
| 20:22.06 | jelly-home | asg: that's what you say! |
| 20:22.06 | asg | moshii: the 9 v100's I have are crappy enough |
| 20:22.28 | asg | jelly-home: details, details |
| 20:22.29 | Guilt | hmm :) |
| 20:22.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: verily, I've seen bo and hamm installations! |
| 20:22.49 | Guilt | well. okie. afk.. time for a li'l nap |
| 20:22.56 | Guilt | later |
| 20:22.58 | Guilt | o/ |
| 20:23.06 | asg | JordiGH: woody was also allowed for the creation of the bobbitt factoid in a timely fashion. |
| 20:23.09 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Awesome. I hear they were... difficult. |
| 20:23.15 | jelly-home | JordiGH: and that newfangled apt stuff, much better than dselect it was |
| 20:23.16 | asg | *responsible |
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| 20:23.31 | moshii | asg: you'd expect sun to sell hardware that had some sort of advantage over a cheaper Dell *sigh* |
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| 20:23.50 | edistar | sun sounds much better ;) |
| 20:24.00 | asg | moshii: that used to be the case but their recent cheap stuff is really crap. Their very expensive stuff is still decent. |
| 20:24.09 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I do remember when dselect was the standard one. And I thought Debian was the newbie distro too. :-) |
| 20:24.19 | edistar | but their expensive stuff is much to expensive :( |
| 20:24.45 | simonrvn | "those were the days" |
| 20:24.50 | moshii | and the performance isn't groundbreaking either.. |
| 20:25.03 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Because woody didn't require me to compile stuff. I always thought I was missing out on something magical and important and l33t by grabbing binaries instead of compiling myself. |
| 20:25.04 | simonrvn | sound like a bunch of oldtimers reminiscing about the 1910s |
| 20:25.13 | Gecko | Hey there. I hope you can help me. I am moving a software (mdadm) raid array (raid 0) from one machine to another, and in the second machine the device names of the disks have changed. In the superblock of the disks I can see that they think they are called /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, when they are in fact /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc on this new system. How can I erase this super block and reassemble the raid array? |
| 20:25.20 | asg | simonrvn: don't we always though? |
| 20:25.27 | simonrvn | asg: yeh ;) |
| 20:25.29 | jelly-home | JordiGH: more honestly, I didn't play seriously with linux until '98... some guys ported dpkg to ultrix, decunix and solaris here and we made binary packages for clueless admins |
| 20:25.48 | jelly-home | moshii: what, in base 16? |
| 20:25.49 | asg | moshii: you have to start somewhere |
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| 20:26.02 | simonrvn | JordiGH: hehehe |
| 20:26.12 | CAiRO | hi |
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| 20:26.24 | CAiRO | i only have one dvd drive, but /dev/scd0 is mapped to /dev/dvd2 |
| 20:26.27 | CAiRO | where can i adjust that? |
| 20:26.41 | CAiRO | or where do i need to tell udev where to start counting? |
| 20:27.02 | asg | simonrvn: somehow I thought you'd say that. The problem is, didn't you do that last week? |
| 20:27.15 | simonrvn | no, hehe, didn't go |
| 20:27.34 | simonrvn | i only heard about that 3 days ago |
| 20:27.35 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you still had to build your own kernel on woody, since debian lagged and often didn't even have security fixes |
| 20:28.11 | asg | jelly-home: woody kernels had security support |
| 20:28.12 | blubberdiblub | CAiRO: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
| 20:28.20 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I guess I just had insecure kernels and was happy that way. |
| 20:28.20 | jelly-home | asg: riiight. :-D |
| 20:28.29 | JordiGH | I've never built a kernel in my life. I'm still not looking forward to that experience. |
| 20:28.42 | Gecko | Anyone, please? |
| 20:28.49 | simonrvn | asg: big ass rush for the review and amendments to the declaration... some of the changes i don't agree with |
| 20:28.54 | asg | jelly-home: there were a number of updates during the woody cycle |
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| 20:29.16 | jelly-home | asg: lagged too often AFAIR, having exploitable machines for weeks isn't fun |
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| 20:29.35 | simonrvn | Gecko: you could move them. i can't recall how |
| 20:29.50 | simonrvn | jelly-home: no kidding |
| 20:30.10 | asg | jelly-home: I don't recall that being the case, at least for remote holes. Or are you talking about the time between woody - sarge when sarge was stable but had no security support for a month or so? |
| 20:31.10 | jelly-home | asg: I think this was before sarge, I know we decided to just track vanilla |
| 20:31.30 | Gecko | simonrvn: using mdadm --misc --examine /dev/sdb it says it's /dev/sda, and /dev/sdc says it's /dev/sdb - you say there is a way to fix this? |
| 20:31.57 | pipeline_ | Gecko: it doesn't matter |
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| 20:32.18 | pipeline_ | Gecko: the guids of the partitions and array are what matter |
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| 20:32.42 | Gecko | pipeline_: well, I get a device or resource busy when I try to assemble it |
| 20:32.47 | JordiGH | asg: During Bill Gates' trial, he said "I cannot recall" so many times that the judge burst out laughing. |
| 20:32.52 | asg | jelly-home: I seem to recall debian not being affected due to either not having support for the vulnerable bits or using kernels older than the vulnerable bits. |
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| 20:33.54 | Stwange | I'm having trouble mounting an ntfs partition, can anyone give me some tips? Ideally, I want to be able to write to it as well, thanks |
| 20:34.03 | JordiGH | !tell St3rnchen about ntfs-3g |
| 20:34.08 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 20:34.13 | JordiGH | !tell Stwange about ntfs-3g |
| 20:34.14 | Stwange | :) |
| 20:34.28 | Ranpha1 | I was here yesterday with two network gigiabit's which link toghetter , it worked ..but now it doesn't anymore they won't connect anymore |
| 20:34.44 | asg | JordiGH: the Sent mbox file on my work system indicates I sent over 10,000 emails between 2004 and now. I'm pretty sure that if you were to pick one at random and ask me specific things about the contents, my answer would be "I don't recall" |
| 20:34.52 | Stwange | can I just apt-get it, or is it more complicated? I keep getting dependancy issues when I try |
| 20:35.00 | Gecko | pipeline_: can you help me further? |
| 20:35.20 | JordiGH | asg: CONSPIRACY AND COVERUP!! |
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| 20:35.37 | Stwange | now it's not findng it at all, just saying it is referred to by another package |
| 20:35.40 | Gecko | pipeline_: it's and old raidtools array superblock, so it has no uuid statements |
| 20:35.43 | mick_home | anyone know of a good lirc howto for debian? |
| 20:35.44 | pipeline_ | Gecko: err, sounds like it's trying to use a partition that's already in use for some other purpose. |
| 20:35.50 | mick_home | docs seem spotty at best |
| 20:35.51 | pipeline_ | Gecko: oh, crap. Dude, I'm not going there. |
| 20:35.55 | asg | JordiGH: well, I wouldn't wear a thong in court, that's for sure. |
| 20:36.04 | JordiGH | Stwange: Are you using etch? You'll need a backport for that. |
| 20:36.17 | Gecko | pipeline_: you scared? :) |
| 20:36.29 | Stwange | I have no idea, I installed debain 5 minutes ago :) |
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| 20:36.40 | pipeline_ | Gecko: Yes. |
| 20:36.46 | JordiGH | Stwange: Did you install the stable version? I guess you did. "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 20:36.48 | Stwange | so recently I can't even spell the name of it right... |
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| 20:36.53 | Gecko | pipeline_: really? What's the deal? |
| 20:37.07 | simonrvn | asg: you wouldn't remember based on the content of the sent mail? |
| 20:37.15 | Stwange | JordiGH - 4.0 |
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| 20:37.38 | JordiGH | Stwange: Yes. etch. You'll need to enable the backport repository for ntfs-3g. |
| 20:37.39 | asg | simonrvn: maybe, it would also depend on how much I had to drink when I sent it |
| 20:37.47 | JordiGH | !tell Stwange about backports |
| 20:37.49 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 20:38.04 | simonrvn | you made me spit stuff :D |
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| 20:38.32 | JordiGH | Stwange: ntfs-3g is only available in newer Debians, but some kind folks have managed to compile it for etch. |
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| 20:38.39 | Ranpha1 | how can i see in linux if my network card has a link? |
| 20:38.44 | JordiGH | Stwange: This is known as a backport. |
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| 20:39.24 | JordiGH | And "debain" gets a respectable half a million hits in Google. |
| 20:39.26 | asg | simonrvn: I have a very bad memory. I once had an intern that worked for me (we got into an argument because I told him to use PHP and he wanted to use ASP). Anyhow, he finished his work and left. A few years later, some company called me because he had put me down as a reference. My answer was: "Who? Are you sure you have the right person? I Haven't got a clue who you are talking about and I've never heard of them in my life!" |
| 20:39.39 | evri2 | guys can someone tell me differecenes between ext3 and reiserfs?Which should i use? |
| 20:39.54 | Stwange | so the newer versions aren't stable yet? I thought I selected all the repositories in synaptic, but it didn't do the trick. I'll check on some of those websites |
| 20:39.54 | asg | evri2: if you value your data or have to ask, choose ext3 |
| 20:40.37 | simonrvn | asg: i'm *very* good with faces, but not names. takes me several tries with remembering the name but the face i'll remember the rest of my life |
| 20:40.38 | JordiGH | evri2: There seems to be little reason to prefer reiserfs except for some very specific situations. |
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| 20:41.00 | JordiGH | Stwange: Nothing new will be "stable" for at least a year and half more. |
| 20:41.02 | asg | simonrvn: yeah, I'm good with faces. Crap with names. |
| 20:41.05 | simonrvn | asg: so i'd be up crap creek without a paddle like you |
| 20:41.09 | asg | heh |
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| 20:41.15 | Gecko | eww, did you receive a dcc/ctcp send there too? |
| 20:41.21 | asg | nope |
| 20:41.29 | Gecko | I just got one from lots of users |
| 20:41.32 | simonrvn | taken care of ;) |
| 20:41.37 | Gecko | that disconnected right after it |
| 20:41.53 | JordiGH | Stwange: The way Debian works is that it just freezes everything, tests it, and releases it. This is called stable. Unfortunately, ntfs-3g, although stable (but not Debian-stable), was released after Debian 4.0 was released, so you have to do minor hackery to get it working in 4.0 (a.k.a etch). |
| 20:42.05 | Gecko | pipeline_: I should be able to zero the superblock, right? |
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| 20:43.01 | Octopssy | Does anyone have a clue how I could circumvent the Enter the administrative password question when starting GParted from a LiveCD like Knoppix (since there is none) ? |
| 20:43.26 | simonrvn | tried just hitting enter? |
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| 20:43.33 | mick_home | Gecko: you want to zero out your drive? |
| 20:43.34 | CalJohn | Octopssy: use su/do? |
| 20:43.45 | Gecko | mick_home: ew, no probably not |
| 20:43.45 | Stwange | ok I got as far as updating the sources.list, but the next step is apt-get source <package>, but when I type apt-get source ntfs-3g it says it can't find it |
| 20:43.57 | Octopssy | okay thanks |
| 20:43.58 | simonrvn | asg: er? |
| 20:44.22 | Octopssy | CalJohn: Any idea how come I can't axx the disks I need (says has been opened read-only)? |
| 20:44.34 | asg | simonrvn: a bond thing, no worries |
| 20:44.52 | JordiGH | Octopssy: Uh. Knoppix doesn't have a password. do "sudo gparted" and that's all. |
| 20:45.07 | mick_home | Gecko: well if you did, i'd say use shred |
| 20:45.12 | axolx | hey guys -- just set up a debian based home network with DNS & DHCP. all my hosts are getting dynamic IPs, and i can find what they are by doing 'dig ahost' . however, if i do 'ping ahost' i get 'cannot resolve ahost'. any ideas? |
| 20:45.12 | Octopssy | CalJohn answered that already |
| 20:45.14 | simonrvn | asg: you can't do that man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111!!!11!!!!11111!!!111 |
| 20:45.20 | mick_home | Gecko: what exactly do you want to do |
| 20:45.23 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 20:45.35 | JordiGH | Stwange: No, you don't need to get ntfs-3g's source. Just enable the backports repository and do "aptitude install ntfs-3g". |
| 20:45.43 | jelly-home | asg: being not vulnerable may have been the case, although I see eg. DSA-311-1, dated 2003-06-08, with a fix for ptrace bug I see fixed in 2003-03-18 on our internal list |
| 20:46.05 | Gecko | mick_home: I want to rescue that raid array I salvaged from my dying server. However I can't get it assembled... |
| 20:46.26 | mick_home | Gecko: ah! then defenitely don't use shred :) |
| 20:46.28 | JordiGH | Stwange: backports.org |
| 20:47.23 | blubberdiblub | axolx: have you set up /etc/resolv.conf to point to the dns server? (or maybe the resolvconf package does or does not what you want) |
| 20:47.31 | Gecko | mick_home: ok. Well, when I try to --assemble it, I get a /dev/sdc has no superblock, but I can see all the right information, except for the device names, which has been incremented by one on the new server, by typing mdadm --misc --examine /dev/sdc |
| 20:47.32 | JordiGH | Stwange: And read the instructions, of course: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 20:47.50 | mick_home | Gecko: someone else will need to help, if you can do something like dd if=/dev/whatever of=/somebackup.iso (to backup) |
| 20:48.00 | mick_home | Gecko: good luck! |
| 20:48.08 | jelly-home | asg: basically, between waiting for Debian to confirm and having vanilla tar.gz with fixes available, the choice was easy. We also tracked grsecurity, so had additional incentive for using newer kernels. |
| 20:48.13 | Gecko | mick_home: well, I'm not doing a 320 GB backup that way |
| 20:48.15 | Stwange | ok thanks for the help so far. I gotta go out so I'll bookmark those and hopefully not need to come back tomorrow for help :) |
| 20:48.16 | axolx | blubberdiblub: the DHCP server is setting resolv.conf in the clients to its IP address (192.168.2.1) |
| 20:49.08 | blubberdiblub | axolx: but you're trying to ping from the server, right? so it's the server's /etc/resolv.conf you're looking for |
| 20:49.14 | asg | jelly-home: true. I don't remember it being 3 months to a fix though. I could be wrong and will admit that since I don't have evidence to the contrary. |
| 20:49.46 | axolx | blubberdiblub: i'm confused why nslookup or dig are resolving names fine, but utilities like ping or ssh are not |
| 20:50.26 | jelly-home | asg: yeah, I remember 1-3 weeks maybe, not months. Oh well. |
| 20:50.42 | JordiGH | Stwange: good luck! |
| 20:51.00 | \amethyst | axolx: what does /etc/nsswitch.conf say about hosts: ? |
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| 20:52.01 | acemo | for a nvidia geforce2 would the opensource drivers or the nvidia drivers be adviced? |
| 20:52.10 | axolx | \amethyst: the router machine is doing both DNS and DHCP via dnsmaq. i figured that's an important detail :) |
| 20:52.28 | axolx | s/dnsmaq/dnsmasq |
| 20:52.39 | \amethyst | axolx: Is the router's IP a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 20:53.25 | axolx | \amethyst: yes. in the client's /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:53.57 | \amethyst | axolx: and what does the client's /etc/nsswitch.conf say? |
| 20:54.34 | axolx | \amethyst: want me to past the whole file somewhere? there are no IP addressed there |
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| 20:55.04 | Octopssy | Does anyone know wh gparted doesn't show the drive I need when checking it with a LiveCD |
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| 20:55.50 | simonrvn | axolx: there's not supposed to be any either ;) |
| 20:55.50 | Ranpha1 | my network cards whcih are linked together only shows link up , link down in dmesg the whole time...can i fix this? |
| 20:55.50 | Octopssy | And says as notice: /dev/hda read-write(Read-only file system) |
| 20:55.50 | axolx | simonrvn: ok :) |
| 20:55.50 | \amethyst | axolx: there's a line that says 'hosts:'. Just paste that line in channel |
| 20:55.56 | simonrvn | Octopssy: already mounted maybe... |
| 20:56.06 | CalJohn | axolx: binary drivers are more work than is really worth it if you don't care about 3d. |
| 20:56.27 | Octopssy | ok |
| 20:56.37 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 20:56.49 | axolx | \amethyst: hosts: files dns |
| 20:57.09 | simonrvn | looks like the default to me ;) |
| 20:57.56 | axolx | simonrvn: yeah i did not touch that file |
| 20:58.05 | simonrvn | \amethyst: are you lagging, or just busy? |
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| 20:58.42 | axolx | \amethyst: simonrvn : actually i just renewed the least on the debian client and now ping and ssh are resolving. im still having issues with a os x client |
| 20:58.49 | axolx | s/least/lease |
| 20:58.53 | \amethyst | simonrvn: busy :) |
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| 21:00.06 | simonrvn | axolx: os x caches that stuff a lot longer than necessary, that's pretty typical (and OT ;) |
| 21:00.30 | axolx | simonrvn: was waiting for that OT from someome :) |
| 21:00.43 | simonrvn | axolx: at least that was the case with older versions |
| 21:00.58 | axolx | simonrvn: looking into how to flush the cache |
| 21:01.25 | simonrvn | axolx: you'll need to get a new dhcp lease too |
| 21:02.20 | Shadowcat | ffs |
| 21:02.33 | Shadowcat | how long does it take to fsck a 200gb partition? |
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| 21:02.50 | simonrvn | a long time |
| 21:03.06 | Shadowcat | very funny |
| 21:03.07 | Shadowcat | how long |
| 21:03.22 | axolx | simonrvn: still nothing . the os X irc channel is usually non technical unfortunately :( |
| 21:03.24 | versuchsanstalt | depends on how many errors you are prompted on |
| 21:03.39 | Shadowcat | versuchsanstalt: I'd guess none |
| 21:03.49 | Shadowcat | since I've been playing reboot roulette for the past day or so |
| 21:03.58 | versuchsanstalt | then i'd say not very long |
| 21:04.15 | versuchsanstalt | just go for it |
| 21:04.25 | Shadowcat | it is going for it |
| 21:04.27 | versuchsanstalt | :) |
| 21:04.33 | Shadowcat | it's the 35 mounts manditory check |
| 21:04.37 | Shadowcat | nothing I can do but wait |
| 21:04.49 | simonrvn | axolx: you'll have to google it i'm afriad |
| 21:05.00 | axolx | simonrvn: yup. thanks for your help so far |
| 21:05.07 | simonrvn | aid* |
| 21:05.11 | axolx | \amethyst: thanks to you too |
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| 21:09.18 | arooni | how do i tell mysql server to start on startup (on debian sarge)? |
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| 21:09.51 | streuner_ | its by default enabled on boot |
| 21:10.01 | arooni | how about apache |
| 21:10.05 | streuner_ | so HOW did you manage that its not start anymore? |
| 21:10.27 | arooni | streuner_, i havent verified that its not starting; i just want to make sure everything starts up when my server reboots |
| 21:10.43 | streuner_ | the same way every daemon used to start by hand /etc/init.d/<service> |
| 21:11.26 | streuner_ | check out "ps aux" if they running or not, if not check out if the symlink is ok... |
| 21:11.38 | JordiGH | A window knows when it's minimised or maximised but can't know if it has focus or not? I ask because Xchat draws a line on new stuff, but I can't understand how it does it. |
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| 21:14.17 | opop | bonez39: liked your LJ letter, if you're here |
| 21:15.30 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/m68df4422 <- check this, i'm getting general protection fault when i want to reboot :x |
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| 21:18.38 | doudo | how can i read a ps file? what package do i need? cant find anything with google debian ps |
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| 21:19.07 | kunwon1 | postscript |
| 21:20.07 | |DuReX| | somebody ? :s |
| 21:20.24 | JordiGH | doudo: gv, kghostview... |
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| 21:21.29 | JordiGH | |DuReX|: Whoa. I didn't know Linux could do that. |
| 21:22.33 | simonrvn | |DuReX|, JordiGH: i got one the other day O_O |
| 21:22.56 | JordiGH | simonrvn: How? |
| 21:22.58 | simonrvn | which was the major decision maker in moving my /usr to ext3 =) |
| 21:23.10 | simonrvn | bug in kernel (fixed since) |
| 21:23.34 | simonrvn | just happened. kernel goes OH FUCK MAJOR PROBLEM HERE, FIX IT NOW N00B! |
| 21:24.02 | simonrvn | ...sometimes you enough time to fix it ;) |
| 21:24.08 | simonrvn | you have* |
| 21:24.14 | JordiGH | And it dumps registers? Who can interpret that kind of voodoo? I'd rather read cow entrails. |
| 21:24.34 | |DuReX| | i want to reboot :( |
| 21:24.38 | |DuReX| | any id how :p |
| 21:24.40 | simonrvn | a kernel dev, combined with your System.map |
| 21:24.53 | doudo | i found something to read with postcript keyword and google, but gv is very good answer for me thanks |
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| 21:26.18 | simonrvn | |DuReX|: tried shutdown -r now ? try unloading that module (if it's a module; hptmv6) |
| 21:26.18 | JordiGH | Verily, Linux hackers are not human. |
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| 21:27.06 | simonrvn | |DuReX|: try unloading the module first, then then shutdown command |
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| 21:28.10 | farida | hi |
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| 21:28.56 | JordiGH | !greet farida |
| 21:28.56 | dpkg | Salutations, farida |
| 21:29.09 | JordiGH | dpkg is such a polite little bot. |
| 21:29.17 | |DuReX| | # rmmod hptmv6 |
| 21:29.17 | |DuReX| | ERROR: Module hptmv6 is in use |
| 21:29.39 | farida | it sure is |
| 21:30.42 | simonrvn | |DuReX|: use modprobe -r |
| 21:30.57 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.08 | simonrvn | stoned: see you later :) |
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| 21:31.53 | farida | anyway i need help with running tomcat5.5 and log4j on ubuntu, application has been successfully installed on redhat but i keep getting a null pointer exception with ubuntu |
| 21:32.09 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
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| 21:32.11 | JordiGH | farida: Go to #ubuntu, then. Not #debian. We're different. |
| 21:32.13 | moshii | farida: /leave #debian |
| 21:32.39 | |DuReX| | simonrvn: it doesn't do anything :s |
| 21:32.43 | farida | oh sorry then |
| 21:32.57 | simonrvn | |DuReX|: uh, you'll only know if you check lsmod |
| 21:33.01 | farida | bye |
| 21:33.08 | |DuReX| | Module Size Used by |
| 21:33.08 | |DuReX| | hptmv6 206496 1 |
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| 21:33.28 | |DuReX| | FATAL: Module hptmv6 is in use. |
| 21:33.29 | |DuReX| | still :x |
| 21:33.30 | simonrvn | |DuReX|: ok, try the shutdown anyway then |
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| 21:33.57 | simonrvn | |DuReX|: try going to init 1 first, actually (init 1 is the command) |
| 21:34.08 | |DuReX| | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 21:34.12 | |DuReX| | but doesn't do a shit |
| 21:34.34 | |DuReX| | i'm on remote atm |
| 21:34.35 | |DuReX| | so :s |
| 21:34.37 | JordiGH | |DuReX|: PUSH THE BIG RED BUTTON! |
| 21:34.39 | JordiGH | Oh, never mind. |
| 21:35.04 | simonrvn | |DuReX|: then you're SOL until you can go over there and do it manually |
| 21:35.20 | moshii | or use your management controller.. |
| 21:35.20 | |DuReX| | can't u reboot with init ? |
| 21:35.41 | simonrvn | init 6 |
| 21:36.24 | |DuReX| | that worked |
| 21:36.27 | |DuReX| | lets hope it comes back |
| 21:36.49 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 21:36.54 | simonrvn | is that module needed for anything? |
| 21:37.09 | |DuReX| | yea |
| 21:37.12 | |DuReX| | the raid controller |
| 21:37.13 | |DuReX| | omg :'( |
| 21:37.21 | |DuReX| | i hate the thing |
| 21:37.22 | |DuReX| | :p |
| 21:37.27 | JordiGH | CLEAR!! |
| 21:37.53 | JordiGH | Do we have a pulse? |
| 21:38.10 | |DuReX| | not yet :x |
| 21:38.17 | moshii | |DuReX|: you have a serial port or something in the machine to fix it remotely right? |
| 21:38.32 | |DuReX| | no |
| 21:38.32 | |DuReX| | :p |
| 21:38.49 | moshii | the wonders of ipmi.. |
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| 21:39.43 | |DuReX| | R.I.P. |
| 21:39.44 | |DuReX| | :'( |
| 21:40.06 | moshii | |DuReX|: could be fscking or somthing, give it a chance ;) |
| 21:40.22 | jelly-home | sounds like fscking in the head |
| 21:40.59 | JordiGH | Time of death: Sun Sep 2 21:41:22 UTC 2007 |
| 21:41.12 | JordiGH | Who's turn is it to inform the relatives? |
| 21:41.23 | jelly-home | *nudge* see, it moved! |
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| 21:41.27 | |DuReX| | mail highpoint |
| 21:41.36 | |DuReX| | tell them: YOUR CONTROLLERS ARE GAY :x |
| 21:41.55 | arooni | hey folks |
| 21:41.55 | snowbird | who died? |
| 21:41.59 | jelly-home | this one doesn't sounds very gay at the moment |
| 21:42.01 | moshii | probably has a nice panic tired to kill init at the moment ;) |
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| 21:42.06 | arooni | how do i tell apache to startup when my server boots |
| 21:42.10 | arooni | apache2 on debian sarge ? |
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| 21:42.20 | moshii | arooni: /etc/defaults/apache2 |
| 21:42.26 | JordiGH | snowbird: |DuReX|'s machine. |
| 21:42.50 | snowbird | how can it die? |
| 21:42.58 | |DuReX| | it revived :) |
| 21:43.07 | JordiGH | snowbird: Apparently, Linux can do a General Protection Fault. I had no idea. |
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| 21:43.30 | JordiGH | moshii: Isn't there a dpkg-reconfigure way to do that? |
| 21:43.34 | moshii | Guru Meditation is better |
| 21:43.51 | snowbird | ahh |
| 21:43.59 | moshii | JordiGH: probably, I'm too lazy to read the manual for him |
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| 21:45.43 | phrase | is it wrong to say: the smaller the kernel, the bigger the performance? espacially for realtime processes? |
| 21:45.43 | moshii | 32bit cpu, 16bit databus.. ouchies |
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| 21:46.20 | moshii | phrase: I wouldn't say it matters with regard to linux |
| 21:46.23 | mmlj4 | in theory, that makes sense |
| 21:46.28 | mmlj4 | but there are many variables |
| 21:46.30 | cmanns | My friend uses bittorrent on my server, does it have a memory leak or something as time goes by it starts using 10%, 15%, and up. |
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| 21:46.46 | JordiGH | "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is." -- Yogi Bear. |
| 21:47.00 | phrase | :) |
| 21:47.05 | moshii | mmlj4: I don't see how |
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| 21:47.50 | moshii | cmanns: bittorrent uses lots of memory to track the hashes of the all files pieces etc |
| 21:48.04 | jelly-home | cmanns: that usually is the main clue that there's a leak ;-) the original bittorrent client? |
| 21:48.09 | cmanns | yeah |
| 21:48.21 | cmanns | He doesnt seed/download much. |
| 21:48.34 | arooni | how do i fix this really bad error on my debian production server? ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 21:48.53 | moshii | arooni: start mysql? |
| 21:48.56 | cmanns | my.cnf make sure [client] is set to that .sock and check the file exsists ;) |
| 21:49.13 | jelly-home | cmanns: they say rtorrent is lean. |
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| 21:52.03 | JordiGH | It appears that I have just confused Yogi Berra and Yogi Bear. |
| 21:52.22 | cmanns | is rtorrent by any chance compatable with Torrentflux (or what does tflux use)? |
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| 21:52.34 | mmlj4 | don't forget your pic-a-nic basket |
| 21:52.35 | arooni | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.37 | moshii | eeew torrentflux |
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| 21:53.07 | moshii | arooni: you keep asking the same question until someone answers... |
| 21:53.14 | mmlj4 | arooni: did mysql work earlier? |
| 21:53.19 | beered | I have to create shell box/multi-user account for a few friends. anybody read a good multi-user secuirty how-to that you can point me to? |
| 21:53.56 | mmlj4 | but you might try putting that error into google and see what pops out |
| 21:53.57 | jelly-home | arooni: either you start the server, or fix it so that it uses the default socket path again |
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| 21:56.22 | arooni | mmirko, yes it did work earlire |
| 21:56.33 | arooni | moshii, i'm sorry i didnt mean to repost |
| 21:56.56 | cmanns | moshii, whats wrong with tflux? |
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| 21:57.35 | moshii | cmanns: it's your average piss poor php hack app |
| 21:57.45 | cmanns | ah |
| 21:58.05 | cmanns | I was using it on a 100mbit seedbox @ 12mB/s it ran pretty good |
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| 21:58.46 | jelly-home | .012 bytes per second is not that good... |
| 21:58.56 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 21:59.04 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 22:00.46 | cmanns | 12mB/s is the full transfer rate of 100mbit |
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| 22:01.47 | ix | cmanns: excluding overhead, yes. |
| 22:01.48 | moshii | cmanns: depends on the protocol |
| 22:01.56 | geo-rge | cmanns: so it's all packed in 8-bit chunks without start and stop bits? |
| 22:02.29 | moshii | cmanns: TCP/IP only reaches something like 75% of channel capacity |
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| 22:03.00 | cmanns | I thought 100mbit is like 14mB/s or something, but over http wget I've seen 11 steady, sometimes 12 |
| 22:03.16 | arooni | folks i want to run a command when my server starts up..... how can i do this? |
| 22:03.22 | arooni | actually several commands; |
| 22:03.29 | geo-rge | hmm, then maybe so |
| 22:03.31 | TrueDD | JordiGH, just a developer, sorry :) |
| 22:03.42 | moshii | arooni: there is /etc/rc.local and you could write an init script |
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| 22:04.17 | geo-rge | trudydy? |
| 22:05.26 | JordiGH | TrueDD: No reason why you can't be both. |
| 22:05.54 | moshii | JordiGH: everyone knows computers explode if touched by the female sort |
| 22:06.09 | geo-rge | maybe it's that he lacks ovaries |
| 22:06.10 | moshii | it's the same with cars and video players |
| 22:06.37 | jelly-home | moshii: I'd pay to see a girl with that superpower. |
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| 22:07.04 | TrueDD | I'm not |
| 22:07.34 | jelly-home | very nice for traffic jams |
| 22:08.13 | polishkoop | I mounted a windows partition, but I'm only able to access it. I've tryed using chmod -R +rw <folder> which lets me view the folders but I still can not open any files or add folders etc. Is there a chmod command I can use to change this? |
| 22:08.20 | JordiGH | My girlfriend was happily using Debian on her Dell lappy. I wonder if she's still using it now. |
| 22:08.29 | JordiGH | polishkoop: Are you using ntfs-3g? |
| 22:08.56 | polishkoop | JordiGH: No, I just mounted it using mound into a folder called /media/windows. |
| 22:08.58 | JordiGH | polishkoop: Write access to an ntfs partition is a very new and exciting thing. It's not in etch, for instance. |
| 22:09.00 | moshii | JordiGH: Did she leave you for a Mac user? |
| 22:09.12 | JordiGH | moshii: Nothing so dramatic. She just left the country. |
| 22:09.24 | moshii | polishkoop: if it's ntfs, it will be read-only |
| 22:09.25 | geo-rge | polishkoop: ntfs support under linux is a collection of guesses, some better than others... you sure you want to try to write an ntfs from linux? |
| 22:09.27 | polishkoop | JordiGH, even if i copy the folders over to my linux partition I'm not able to access the files or write? Cause I just copied the folder i wanted over. |
| 22:09.43 | arooni | moshii, are script located in /etc/rc.local run on system startup? |
| 22:09.48 | JordiGH | polishkoop: If you copied folders, of course you can write them. |
| 22:10.01 | JordiGH | geo-rge: ntfs-3g is stable, after a decade of development. :-) |
| 22:10.12 | polishkoop | JordiGH: yeah that is my problem, I don't seem to be able to give myself the access to do so. I've used chmod but it doesn't seem to let me |
| 22:10.16 | moshii | arooni: they are run at the end of each multiuser run level if you read what it says inside the file |
| 22:10.17 | geo-rge | so microsoft came across? |
| 22:10.18 | JordiGH | polishkoop: Folders should be 755, files should be 644. |
| 22:10.27 | arooni | moshii, i thought it was a directory |
| 22:10.39 | JordiGH | geo-rge: No, ntfs has finally been hacked. |
| 22:10.53 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Didn't you get the memo? :-) |
| 22:11.00 | stoned | ntfs hacked? |
| 22:11.04 | geo-rge | so it's still a collection of guesses, some better than others :) |
| 22:11.05 | stoned | what are you talking about? |
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| 22:11.12 | JordiGH | Well, cracked, reverse-engineered, understood. |
| 22:11.34 | stoned | ntfs-3g has caused one of my drives to become a corrupted nt file system which windows/norton disk doctor, or anything else cannot repair |
| 22:11.39 | stoned | do umm... |
| 22:11.42 | stoned | its NOT fully stable |
| 22:11.48 | JordiGH | Oy. |
| 22:11.49 | stoned | this is only 2 months ago that this happened tome |
| 22:11.50 | jelly-home | geo-rge: they promise to keep the data more-or-less safe |
| 22:12.02 | JordiGH | stoned: Well, I hope you submitted a bug report. |
| 22:12.07 | stoned | no |
| 22:12.12 | stoned | I said to fucking hell with this bullshit |
| 22:12.13 | geo-rge | who? microsoft?? |
| 22:12.21 | stoned | don't trust ntfs RW in linux |
| 22:12.23 | moshii | stoned: stick it to the man! |
| 22:12.26 | jelly-home | geo-rge: the ntfs-3g guy(s) |
| 22:12.27 | JordiGH | And btw, ack, I just realised that I said "folder" instead of "directory". Windows users using their filthy language are corrupting me. :-) |
| 22:12.27 | stoned | sorry, you can't convince me |
| 22:12.36 | stoned | JordiGH: I should have eh |
| 22:12.41 | moshii | JordiGH: I always say drawer |
| 22:13.08 | JordiGH | What's wrong with the folder analogy is that real folders don't usually contain other folders. |
| 22:13.17 | stoned | actually |
| 22:13.21 | stoned | they could, and they do |
| 22:13.34 | geo-rge | Windows users using, FIIIIVVVEEEE GOOOOLDEN RINGS.... |
| 22:13.37 | stoned | you can put full manilla folders inside other non manilla folders |
| 22:13.41 | JordiGH | I'd like to see a folder tree structure working out in real life. |
| 22:13.45 | arooni | moshii, # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. |
| 22:13.45 | arooni | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.49 | stoned | !runlevel |
| 22:13.49 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 22:13.55 | jelly-home | geo-rge: basically, if you read the caveats (some things don't work - limit to dir. depth, compression, encryption), it ought to be ok |
| 22:14.07 | stoned | jelly-home: file permissions as well right/ |
| 22:14.11 | JordiGH | arooni: runlevel is a magic number that tells Linux what to do at boottime. |
| 22:14.15 | stoned | jelly-home: ntfs file perms not supported by ntfs3d |
| 22:14.20 | stoned | ? |
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| 22:14.38 | jelly-home | stoned: oh yeah. Well, there's no easy way to map NTFS ACLs to POSIX |
| 22:14.42 | arooni | do i need to do anything to /etc/rc.local to make it run on reboot? |
| 22:14.45 | JordiGH | arooni: Or shutdown time too. |
| 22:14.56 | arooni | or does it just do that by default |
| 22:15.03 | JordiGH | arooni: Are you still going on about having Apache run on boot? |
| 22:15.12 | arooni | JordiGH, no; i found out that starts by default ;p |
| 22:15.35 | JordiGH | arooni: So what's the question now? |
| 22:15.47 | moshii | arooni: rc.local runs at the end of all the multiuser runlevels, so you can jam stuff in there that you want to start on boot |
| 22:15.52 | JordiGH | stoned: And yes, you should have submitted a bug report. This is almost the only way software improves. |
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| 22:16.27 | arooni | JordiGH, one now that moshii just spoke: when i need to be in a specific directory to run a command, and i want to do that in rc.local, should i do it like this: cd /directory/foo & run command ? |
| 22:16.40 | moshii | arooni: the kernel starts in single user mode and then the init scripts jump into a multiuser runlevel, at the end of that process your shit in rc.local would happen |
| 22:16.44 | arooni | and do i need a ; at the end? |
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| 22:17.03 | JordiGH | arooni: Might be better to pushd the directory and then popd when you're done. |
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| 22:17.19 | geo-rge | when ms has this much ability to screw things up, your "software improvement" is what I like to call a waste of time and effort |
| 22:17.20 | moshii | arooni: but if you don't know what you're doing i would suggest leaving it the fuck alone. |
| 22:17.23 | x_link | d |
| 22:17.30 | stoned | hey |
| 22:17.40 | stoned | my boss started officially supporting linux customers because of me |
| 22:17.45 | jelly-home | arooni: it's just a shell script, do what you have to do. |
| 22:17.50 | stoned | so now I'm the nix tech guy at work too |
| 22:17.55 | stoned | hehehe this is cool |
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| 22:17.56 | arooni | i guess i'm a little new to shell scripting |
| 22:17.58 | arooni | thats the problme |
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| 22:18.22 | geo-rge | arooni: there are tutorials for that |
| 22:18.26 | JordiGH | arooni: What command exactly do you need to be executed at boottime? There's almost surely a better way than messing around with rc.local |
| 22:18.28 | moshii | arooni: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 22:18.35 | arooni | ok let me explain clearly |
| 22:18.37 | jelly-home | JordiGH: eh, does debian's /bin/sh support pushd/popd? |
| 22:18.51 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It does on mine, which is symlinked to bash. :P |
| 22:19.03 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I hope you're not a DD :-) |
| 22:19.28 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Meh, arooni looks clueless enough to have the same symlink. :-) |
| 22:19.36 | moshii | My arse of a systems lecturer was a DD.. |
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| 22:20.02 | jelly-home | moshii: in mind, not in size! |
| 22:20.09 | stoned | so, DD can be assholes too, they are just people, like you and me... well maybe not you, but people like me |
| 22:20.11 | arooni | i need to do these things when my server is booted up: 1) start up asterisk, 2) run the command: /etc/asterisk/daemoncontrol.rb start, 3) cd to /var/www/find_my_phone_rails; and run: rm log/mongrel*; mongrel_rails cluster::start |
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| 22:20.23 | FredMac | Hi folks. I recently tried to install debian on a system with xp and ubuntu already installed. It seemed to go well. But I got a grub error at reboot. What did Debian do to confuse grub? |
| 22:20.38 | moshii | stoned: He used to make the only girl in the whole computing department cry haha |
| 22:20.42 | JordiGH | FredMac: Well, what's the error? |
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| 22:20.49 | FredMac | error 21 |
| 22:20.51 | JordiGH | moshii: Oy. How? |
| 22:21.02 | stoned | moshii: thats not very nice. I don't like to see girls cry. |
| 22:21.09 | JordiGH | FredMac: Uh-oh. That sounds like Grub can't find where it's installed to. |
| 22:21.16 | FredMac | I fixed it. But more interestingly when I then botoed back to Ubuntu, the partition where Debian was supposed to have installed everything was empty!!?!?!?! |
| 22:21.20 | stoned | easy fix |
| 22:21.28 | jelly-home | arooni: so, do just that. preferably check the exit statuses of all the commands you run. |
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| 22:21.46 | FredMac | and there was NO mention of the debian "install" in the menu.lst |
| 22:22.01 | FredMac | so what did the install do? Where or what menu.lst did it update? |
| 22:22.02 | stoned | FredMac: looks like you need to figure out which partition is which and maybe fix up your grub |
| 22:22.05 | arooni | jelly-home, where should i put those commands though? |
| 22:22.12 | moshii | JordiGH: Ripping into her "computing" background.. that was his big thing, abusing people for not being able to code in assembly while on the toilet |
| 22:22.14 | JordiGH | arooni: Hm, doesn't Debian's asterisk already do these things by default, like Apache too did some things by default? Check first. ;-) |
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| 22:22.23 | FredMac | stoned: I know which is which I think. Problem is that my devices.map is empty |
| 22:22.28 | stoned | FredMac: ouch |
| 22:22.34 | JordiGH | moshii: Who was he? I'm gonna send him some hatemail. :-) |
| 22:22.37 | FredMac | can I populate it? |
| 22:22.39 | arooni | JordiGH, ive verified asterisk doesnt start by default; and i must run the daemonctonrol myself; i wrote it |
| 22:22.51 | arooni | i.e. where should i put those commands |
| 22:22.55 | stoned | demon control, sounds like a bad horror flick |
| 22:22.59 | jelly-home | arooni: eh, you might as well put them in a script named /etc/rc.local. I prefer /etc/rc.boot/some-name though |
| 22:23.11 | JordiGH | arooni: Yes, put them in /etc/rc.local. |
| 22:23.28 | polishkoop | JordiGH: I used chmod -R +rwxrwxrwx /folder but I'm still not able to write into that directory |
| 22:23.35 | arooni | do i need a ; after commands in that file ? |
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| 22:24.02 | FredMac | is there any reason I can not install to a USB drive? |
| 22:24.27 | moshii | FredMac: If you build the initrd logic to do it you can |
| 22:24.29 | jelly-home | arooni: first line of the script should be #!/bin/sh ... after that, put each command on its own line. (cd and rm too) |
| 22:24.31 | JordiGH | arooni: No, a newline indicates completion of a command in a shellscript. |
| 22:24.36 | kzar | Hi I was wondering if anyone could help me with a dual screen setup.. I have two different monitors and it is working except the larger monitor is reduced to the smaller ones resolution. Anyone know how to get around that? |
| 22:24.51 | FredMac | moshii: and the debian install doesn't do that? |
| 22:25.00 | arooni | someone was saying check the return code |
| 22:25.03 | moshii | FredMac: you also need to patch d-i to support it and make udebs for the required components.. |
| 22:25.05 | jelly-home | arooni: what he said, no need to ; |
| 22:25.22 | FredMac | moshii: sounds way out of my league. I was told it all "just worked". |
| 22:25.29 | moshii | FredMac: no, because it's next to useless for most people. and booting usb on x86 machines is a nightmare |
| 22:25.40 | FredMac | so basically, forget it? |
| 22:25.55 | JordiGH | polishkoop: Do chmod -R 777 /home/user/directory. I can't remember if rwxrwxrwx is the actual command you should use; I doubt it. |
| 22:26.07 | moshii | FredMac: maybe is does now... I did all of the required as my final project at uni |
| 22:26.46 | moshii | FredMac: you probably want something like DSL for a usb install to be honest |
| 22:26.47 | FredMac | moshii: help me out here. Take me through how this works. The mbr tells where the /boot is. This /boot and menu.lst was created by my Ubuntu install. Is it that menu.lst that the debian install owuld update? if not what one? |
| 22:27.36 | moshii | FredMac: the mbr contains a first stage loader.. that loads your second stage loader |
| 22:27.44 | polishkoop | JordiGH: tried it, I still don't have any write access |
| 22:27.50 | FredMac | right. so where is the stage2 loader? |
| 22:28.26 | FredMac | lets pretend I have hda2 = (hd0,1) and sbd3=(sd1,2) |
| 22:28.34 | moshii | FredMac: The MBR is pretty small.. so can only just contain enough code to load the stage 2 loader and not other stuff. The second stage loader is on your disk |
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| 22:28.37 | JordiGH | polishkoop: Wtf. Does root own that directory structure? |
| 22:28.38 | FredMac | where sdb is the external |
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| 22:28.47 | FredMac | but where? |
| 22:29.02 | moshii | FredMac: sdb is a real SCSI disk or a usb drive? |
| 22:29.18 | FredMac | usb. lets pretend it works for now. just for me to understand trhe sequence. |
| 22:29.30 | polishkoop | JordiGH: I was root when I mounted the Windows partition onto my linux system and copied the particular folder I wanted |
| 22:29.41 | FredMac | When I install debian, I tell it to install to sdb3 (existing ext3). |
| 22:29.47 | JordiGH | polishkoop: So root owns. Change the user and group ownership too. |
| 22:30.03 | moshii | FredMac: you can't access usb drives from the bootloader unless the bootloader has it's own usb stack and drivers, or the bios has emulation |
| 22:30.10 | FredMac | At the end it says "you already have Xp and Ubuntu so including them in grub". Fine. But where is it putting his grub/menu.lst? |
| 22:30.17 | JordiGH | polishkoop: chown -R polishkoop /home/polishkoop/teh-wind0wz |
| 22:30.28 | JordiGH | polishkoop: And same with chgrp. |
| 22:30.41 | FredMac | moshii: so whats the best way? Can I install debina into my existing /boot on hda2? |
| 22:30.56 | moshii | FredMac: menu.lst is a config file.. that'll on /boot with the rest of grub |
| 22:31.10 | geo-rge | !debina |
| 22:31.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debina is debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 22:31.12 | moshii | FredMac: you want to create a triple boot system? |
| 22:31.13 | FredMac | moshii: yes. But its the menu.lst from the Ubuntu install on hda2. |
| 22:31.23 | FredMac | moshii: it knows nothing about the debian install. |
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| 22:31.45 | moshii | FredMac: just install debian and tell it not to install a bootloader |
| 22:31.47 | arooni | folks; the script i wrote in rc local only partially works |
| 22:31.51 | arooni | some commands work and some dont |
| 22:31.56 | FredMac | moshii: ok. and then? |
| 22:32.17 | moshii | FredMac: then configure menu.lst with enteries to load debian |
| 22:32.23 | FredMac | keep in mind I dont have a spare room and partition on the ide hd. |
| 22:32.36 | moshii | FredMac: forget using a usb device |
| 22:32.53 | FredMac | moshii: so can I point it to the usb? Or can I copy the kernel images to the existing /boot? |
| 22:33.21 | moshii | FredMac: the emulation provided by most bioses for booting usb devices is shit. i.e. you need a fat partition with certain cluster size etc |
| 22:33.23 | FredMac | moshii: this is astonishing. I was told all this works. You are quite sure about this? |
| 22:33.34 | JordiGH | !tell arooni about doesn't work |
| 22:33.51 | arooni | heh |
| 22:33.56 | FredMac | moshii: wait. I dont boot from bios - surely we are booting from the grub pointed to be the mbr? I am confused. |
| 22:34.06 | moshii | FredMac: d-i may support installing to usb devices, but I can tell you from experience it won't be fun |
| 22:34.26 | FredMac | moshii: ok. but lets get back to me manually updating menu.lt. |
| 22:34.29 | moshii | FredMac: the MBR contains "code" it's not a pointer |
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| 22:34.45 | geo-rge | arooni: again... there are tutorials for that |
| 22:34.47 | FredMac | moshii: fine. and this code reads the menu.lst from hd0,0? |
| 22:35.05 | moshii | FredMac: forget menu.lst, its a config file |
| 22:35.24 | FredMac | moshii: how can I forget it when it is this which says what OSs can boot? |
| 22:35.36 | geo-rge | maybe the details of shell scripting are off topic here... if you want to learn shell scripting, maybe #bash is the place to start? |
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| 22:35.48 | FredMac | (nice group in #bash too) |
| 22:35.52 | pngwn | ~ |
| 22:36.07 | moshii | FredMac: but the menu.lst doesn't mean anything if you don't have support in your bootloader for reading usb devices |
| 22:37.31 | jelly-home | moshii: which pretty much boils to "if you don't have support for reading usb devices in bios" |
| 22:37.54 | FredMac | moshii: lets pretend its another ide drive/partition. How does this work? I guess the mbr has the info where the menu.lst is. It provides choices. The choice then dictates which device is mounted as root? But clearly the /boot with the referenced menu.lst is mounted for grub to access? |
| 22:38.17 | jelly-home | unless grub has it's own IDE, SCSI, usb and usb-storage drivers? |
| 22:38.25 | moshii | FredMac: When I did this myself, I used BIOS provided emulation to load lilo and a kernel from a fat partition on the drive and then an initrd with all the required modules and scripts to load usb support and then jump into a root fs on the usb device |
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| 22:39.07 | jelly-home | FredMac: are you trying to create a liveusb? |
| 22:39.18 | moshii | FredMac: the MBR only loads grub, it's like 256bytes |
| 22:39.20 | jelly-home | FredMac: bootable distro on a stick? |
| 22:39.24 | FredMac | No. Just have a debian choice at boot. |
| 22:40.20 | moshii | FredMac: Multibooting debian/ubuntu/windows on real drives isn't a problem |
| 22:40.27 | FredMac | moshii: I'll tzry again. I know the mbr loads grub. But it has to find grub. In my case grub is on /had2/boot/grub. In there is a menu.lst. This menu.lst can point to other partitions so then grub must remount *those* partitions for the boot. |
| 22:40.54 | moshii | FredMac: grub doesn' mount anything |
| 22:41.05 | FredMac | moshii: then HOW does it read the menu.lst? |
| 22:41.23 | FredMac | moshii: (that wasnt shouting just hliting :)) |
| 22:41.35 | moshii | FredMac: it has fs drivers that do just enough to read a kernel from an fs |
| 22:41.36 | jelly-home | FredMac: you are aware that you don't need a menu.lst entry to boot from a third disk at all? |
| 22:41.51 | FredMac | moshii: which sounds like mounting. |
| 22:41.59 | arooni | folks; can i have a script run at startup that is not rc.local? |
| 22:42.06 | FredMac | moshii: I am just trying to get the terminology right here. |
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| 22:42.18 | moshii | FredMac: mounting is the process of binding an filesystem into the OS |
| 22:42.25 | jelly-home | arooni: yes. why? |
| 22:42.25 | moshii | FredMac: grub isn't an OS |
| 22:42.26 | arooni | i wrote a script that works if i run it when i'm logged onto the server; but when i put those same commands into the rc.local file it doesnt work |
| 22:42.52 | FredMac | moshii: thanks for your help. |
| 22:43.22 | moshii | FredMac: grub is made up of a first stage loader, and the a set of second stage loaders for different fs types |
| 22:43.25 | arooni | jelly-home, does the above ecplanatoin make sense |
| 22:43.28 | geo-rge | moshii: it functions like one tho... it provides an environment for a particular purpose |
| 22:43.58 | jelly-home | arooni: no. how does it "not work"? Have you debugged the script? |
| 22:44.49 | arooni | jelly-home, some commands seem not to run when i put it in rc.local however, when i have the same script in my ~ directory and run it like: ./startup-script; it works flawlessly |
| 22:44.54 | moshii | geo-rge: I wouldn't say it meets the requiremnts of being an OS, but everyone to their own ;) |
| 22:45.00 | arooni | but obvsiouly i cant be there physically to run it |
| 22:45.18 | jelly-home | arooni: do you have access to the console output? |
| 22:45.28 | \amethyst | arooni: can you pastebin the script at least? |
| 22:45.41 | arooni | sure i can pastebin script |
| 22:45.56 | geo-rge | moshii: it's probably a similar argument to "the kernel is the os" versus "the whole thing is the os" |
| 22:46.00 | moshii | FredMac: the grub install you have in ubuntu will be fine for loading debian from a real disk.. usb disks take more work, because you really need an OS to operate usb, so the moral of the story is.. use a real disk |
| 22:46.23 | geo-rge | both are true in each of their own levels of abstraction |
| 22:46.25 | arooni | http://pastie.caboo.se/93323 |
| 22:46.26 | moshii | geo-rge: the operating system is the code that runs in supervisor mode |
| 22:46.34 | jelly-home | moshii: hm, how does booting from usb work then? |
| 22:46.51 | geo-rge | does grub not run in supervisor mode? |
| 22:47.05 | arooni | \amethyst, i mean |
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| 22:47.09 | moshii | jelly-home: the bios in your machine can provide a level of emulation that makes a usb device look like a real disk |
| 22:47.12 | phlux | yay |
| 22:47.21 | phlux | I'm a new Debian user...FINALLY got wireless working today :D |
| 22:47.26 | jelly-home | moshii: and that makes it accessible to grub! |
| 22:47.48 | JordiGH | phlux: Woohoo! |
| 22:47.59 | moshii | jelly-home: yeah, but with most bios' it's very limited |
| 22:48.05 | \amethyst | arooni: do any of those commands read from stdin ? |
| 22:48.08 | JordiGH | This reminds me. What's a good wireless card to buy for Debian? A friend of mine is actually willing to buy hardware for the software, imagine that! |
| 22:48.17 | arooni | \amethyst, i dont think so |
| 22:48.20 | jelly-home | moshii: if it can load a kernel and initrd from it, that's enough |
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| 22:48.34 | JordiGH | I heard that Ralink chipsets had free drivers. Real or malarkey? |
| 22:48.58 | moshii | jelly-home: yeah, and that has to be done from a fat partion with the same sector/cluster sizes as a usb zip disk in most cases |
| 22:49.01 | phlux | I need to add internet sources for apt-get, though :( |
| 22:49.05 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I bought an all-intel laptop and am reasonably happy. |
| 22:49.41 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Intel still needs a semiblob to work, no? |
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| 22:49.58 | jelly-home | JordiGH: it needed firmware for the wireless. |
| 22:49.59 | moshii | jelly-home: and then you need a custom initrd to prepare usb support in the kernel, find and mount the root fs from the usb disk and jump into it |
| 22:50.05 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Actually, my friend is only willing to buy a wireless card, not an entire laptop. Preferrably something she can plug in to the USB or pci port. |
| 22:50.43 | jelly-home | moshii: yeah, that's about the point where I go and download something like grml LiveUSB. :-) |
| 22:50.54 | moshii | JordiGH: cheap ralink usb dongle :) |
| 22:51.09 | JordiGH | moshii: That's what I was looking at. Those things are easy to setup? |
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| 22:51.22 | moshii | jelly-home: indeed, swap over usb isn't funny either :( |
| 22:51.34 | xcxcss | what is the best wireless security tool/sniifer out there? |
| 22:51.35 | jelly-home | swap is for wimps. |
| 22:51.41 | moshii | JordiGH: yeah, build the nice free driver and load it |
| 22:51.45 | JordiGH | moshii: She's willing to do some setup, but not too much. She already doesn't seem to mind messing around with config files. *sniff* I'm so proud of her. |
| 22:51.53 | moshii | JordiGH: there's no firmware etc to worry about |
| 22:51.55 | ErikHK | is it ok to remove everything in /var/cache/apt/archives? What are they there for? |
| 22:52.03 | JordiGH | moshii: Ok, I'll let her know. |
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| 22:52.48 | jelly-home | ErikHK: "aptitude clean" will do that for you. it's just a cache if you ever want to reinstall without downloading the sam stuff again. |
| 22:52.55 | moshii | JordiGH: if you do a search for "ralink nintendo ds" you should find a list of cards that use ralink chips |
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| 22:53.07 | ErikHK | jelly-home: oh ok, I thought so |
| 22:53.08 | ErikHK | thanks |
| 22:53.21 | JordiGH | eh? nintendo ds? |
| 22:53.26 | jelly-home | ErikHK: you can also do an "aptitude autoclean", which only cleans the versions not available on mirrors any more |
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| 22:53.54 | moshii | JordiGH: the ralink chipset is good at injection etc, so people used them for hacking the nintendo ds at one point |
| 22:53.57 | ErikHK | jelly-home: ah, ok |
| 22:54.04 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I'm still wishing for an option to erase dotdebs as soon as they're installed for those machines in which space is really tight. |
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| 22:54.15 | JordiGH | moshii: Ah, I see. |
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| 22:54.30 | JordiGH | moshii: Does it have an unsightly antenna? Or is it small? |
| 22:54.37 | moshii | JordiGH: and those peeps compild lists of cards with that chipset, handy :~ |
| 22:54.39 | IgorSobreira | hi all...my mic doesnt work...any tip? |
| 22:54.47 | streuner_ | JordiGH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS |
| 22:54.52 | moshii | JordiGH: the usb dongle I have is internal |
| 22:55.09 | moshii | JordiGH: inernal antenna that is |
| 22:55.24 | JordiGH | moshii: nice. I'll be sure to recommend it. |
| 22:55.41 | phlux | How would I add internet sources for apt-get? |
| 22:55.50 | moshii | JordiGH: good card for aircrack too :P |
| 22:56.00 | streuner_ | phlux: man sources.list |
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| 22:56.35 | streuner_ | phlux: you should use official mirrors... (less headaches) |
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| 22:56.43 | r3mb0 | Hey, sory...pinged out |
| 22:56.50 | r3mb0 | How would I use the official mirrors? |
| 22:57.08 | r3mb0 | I need to install programs like irssi and whatnot...didn't get wireless internet working until today |
| 22:57.37 | JordiGH | r3mb0: Which mirrors have you been using? If it's not the official ones, then you've been messing with the default install options. |
| 22:57.37 | streuner_ | !wireless |
| 22:57.37 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> for Linksys WPC11 or Netgear WG111v2. /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan |
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| 22:57.55 | SoulChild | Help,... my /etc/services file is lost after backup,... how do i restore it? |
| 22:57.56 | streuner_ | firmware is mostly the main issue in Debian... |
| 22:58.02 | r3mb0 | I have wireless working |
| 22:58.12 | r3mb0 | I need internet sources for apt-get to install programs |
| 22:58.20 | r3mb0 | JordiGH: I've just been using the CD |
| 22:58.21 | r3mb0 | :\ |
| 22:58.28 | streuner_ | !mirrors |
| 22:58.28 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 22:58.52 | streuner_ | SoulChild: uhm |
| 22:59.06 | SoulChild | :S |
| 22:59.13 | jelly-home | JordiGH: DPkg::Post-Invoke ? |
| 22:59.29 | streuner_ | SoulChild: wait |
| 22:59.42 | SoulChild | streuner_: i won't run away |
| 22:59.44 | r3mb0 | I don't have apt-setup |
| 22:59.56 | r3mb0 | streuner_: How do i use those mirrors? |
| 23:00.42 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Ah, so it is possible? Thanks for the tip. Where does that go? /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf or something? |
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| 23:00.45 | r3mb0 | where do I put them so that apt-get will use them? |
| 23:01.19 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that's an apt.conf param, what to run after dpkg. |
| 23:01.20 | streuner_ | SoulChild: use pdo |
| 23:01.28 | SoulChild | streuner_: thank you |
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| 23:01.45 | r3mb0 | argh |
| 23:01.47 | r3mb0 | Can anyone tell me? |
| 23:01.58 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you could throw in a script that checked the contents of the cache, and rm those that are successfully installed |
| 23:01.58 | SoulChild | streuner_: there isn't any package called pdo |
| 23:02.08 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Kay. Hmm... So, what's the $_ equivalent here? |
| 23:02.10 | streuner_ | r3mb0: read "man sources.list", it tells you HOW to ADD sources to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:02.19 | streuner_ | SoulChild: its a file... |
| 23:02.24 | rdz | hi. i am trying to install apache2 on debian etch, but aptitude says: E: Failed to fetch http://debian.ethz.ch/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2-mpm-worker_2.2.3-4_i386.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 23:02.31 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Something like "rm $package" would be enough. |
| 23:02.36 | streuner_ | SoulChild: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 23:02.54 | jelly-home | JordiGH: unf. I don't think it gets any parameters :-| |
| 23:03.10 | JordiGH | jelly-home: No? :-/ |
| 23:03.16 | JordiGH | !unf |
| 23:03.16 | dpkg | methinks unf is the Universal Noise of Frustration, it is also washort's favourite word, after heh . something else related to pr0n movies Universal Noise of Fucking (UNF!!) |
| 23:03.28 | JordiGH | Oh, noise of frustration. I thought you were flirting with me. |
| 23:03.47 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that would be useful (and I used that as short for unfortunately ) |
| 23:03.48 | SoulChild | streuner_: hmm i don't know what help that is ? |
| 23:03.49 | streuner_ | tarzeau: ^^^ |
| 23:04.00 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 23:04.17 | streuner_ | tarzeau: <rdz> hi. i am trying to install apache2 on debian etch, but aptitude says: E: Failed to fetch http://debian.ethz.ch/debian/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2-mpm-worker_2.2.3-4_i386.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 23:04.39 | khronos | Try a different mirro in the sources.list. |
| 23:04.42 | khronos | mirror |
| 23:04.43 | rdz | streuner_, is that mirror broken? |
| 23:04.51 | rdz | khronos, ok.. i'll try |
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| 23:05.07 | arooni | why isn't rc.local running these commands: cd /var/www/find_my_phone_rails/current; /usr/local/bin/mongrel_rails cluster::start; |
| 23:05.13 | streuner_ | rdz: the file just doesn't exist on the server |
| 23:05.15 | rdz | khronos, in case it is broken, where can i post a bug report? |
| 23:05.19 | streuner_ | rdz: 404... |
| 23:05.39 | rdz | streuner_, yeah... i see that.... i'll try a different mirror. |
| 23:05.43 | streuner_ | SoulChild: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:05.46 | khronos | Sometimes when a package can't be fetched wait a few hours and try again. |
| 23:06.02 | khronos | Maybe that particular mirror hasn't been completely updated yet. |
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| 23:06.13 | rdz | khronos, ah... ok |
| 23:06.18 | streuner_ | or a newer package is there |
| 23:06.19 | r3mb0 | k...which mirror contains wine packages? :) |
| 23:06.26 | khronos | I've had that happen a few times before. |
| 23:06.31 | khronos | Also try apt-get update |
| 23:06.35 | khronos | Then get your package again. |
| 23:06.38 | rdz | oh.....sorry.. all my fault |
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| 23:06.52 | khronos | Your list on your machine may not be the latest out there. |
| 23:07.08 | rdz | it seems, that i didn't run 'aptitude update' for a long time |
| 23:07.22 | khronos | If not, then you'll want to go for an upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 23:07.31 | khronos | before you install your apache2 |
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| 23:08.02 | khronos | So what's happening is your list wasn't updated and you were asking for an older version of the package than is on the server. |
| 23:08.05 | IgorSobreira | hey guys...mi mic doens work...anybody could help me? |
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| 23:08.44 | moshii | IgorSobreira: have you checked it's not muted etc? |
| 23:08.55 | efface | i am having a problem where eth0 will not obtain an IP via DHCP, i even tried adding msi=0 msix=0 to forcedeth, can someone please help me? |
| 23:09.02 | jelly-home | arooni: you run your shell with -e option. This means that, if any unchecked command fails, the script stops execution. I'd add a set -x at thre beginning for the script and check console output to see which command fails. |
| 23:09.40 | moshii | efface: does it work if you set the ip address manually? i.e. can you ping other machines |
| 23:09.42 | IgorSobreira | moshii, yeah...its not muted... |
| 23:09.59 | IgorSobreira | ive trying everything in gnome-volume-manager....but nothing |
| 23:10.13 | moshii | IgorSobreira: in alsa mixer you may have 2 mics.. try toggling that |
| 23:10.25 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: are you checking the playback devices or the capture devices? |
| 23:10.27 | efface | moshii: i tried doing a static i didnt notice anything working |
| 23:10.56 | khronos | Any data being sent / received on the interface? |
| 23:11.31 | IgorSobreira | in the sound icon in the bar...i go there...and try everything... |
| 23:11.34 | efface | moshii: just tried it again, i could not ping another box |
| 23:11.37 | moshii | efface: you need to work out where exactly the problem. I.e. cabling, switch,.. not getting an ip via dhcp probably isn't a sign that dhcp isn't work.. |
| 23:11.51 | arooni | ahhhhhhhhhhok |
| 23:11.55 | arooni | thanks jelly-home |
| 23:12.00 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: in alsamixer, press F4 ... that will show only capture devices. Now go to your microphone and press space. You ought to see something like red CAPTUR appear beneath the volume column. |
| 23:12.34 | efface | moshii: it works fine in windows and its worked previously in linux, ethtool shows that eth0 has a link, my router is not registering any lease requests from that box as well |
| 23:12.55 | IgorSobreira | jelly-home, in capture...i have only one option(one vertical bar) its in max...and not muted..i guess its not a MIC |
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| 23:13.22 | moshii | efface: but if you can't ping with a static ip.. your nic just ain't working, fullstop |
| 23:13.25 | linux_jones | is there a way to use apt-get to search to see if a package is included somewhere else? |
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| 23:13.45 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: go to the far right ... there may be more stuff there |
| 23:13.49 | moshii | efface: does the interface show any traffic in ifconfig? |
| 23:14.26 | efface | moshii: rx 88 tx 00 |
| 23:14.53 | moshii | efface: so your nic is transmitting but not seeing anything from the network |
| 23:15.04 | IgorSobreira | jelly-home, in "All"..i have Master, PCM, Capture, Caller I, Off-Hock ...all of them is in max...but Caller I and Off-Hock is 00.. :T |
| 23:15.28 | IgorSobreira | maybe i need to download any stuff? |
| 23:15.58 | moshii | efface: try manually setting the interface to an ip in your subnet and pinging your gateway etc |
| 23:15.59 | efface | my router isnt reporting any activity from it and when i plug directly to the modem i get nothing |
| 23:16.24 | streuner_ | tarzeau: rdz> oh.....sorry.. all my fault |
| 23:16.32 | moshii | efface: are the lights on the card even flashing? |
| 23:16.35 | efface | host unreachable |
| 23:16.46 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: hm. can you pastebin the output of "amixer scontrols" and just "amixer", run as root? |
| 23:17.08 | efface | moshii: nop |
| 23:17.29 | moshii | efface: but it works fine in windows? |
| 23:17.37 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: which card do you have, and which kernel version? you might need a newer driver. :-| |
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| 23:18.13 | IgorSobreira | jelly-home, Linux naish 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Aug 12 21:57:02 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:18.41 | JordiGH | Looks like etch. It's an etch kernel, at least. |
| 23:18.43 | efface | moshii: yes, im using a asus p5n32 with nforce chipset, ive confirmed this hardware is suppose to work |
| 23:19.10 | moshii | efface: maybe a speed/duplex issue, maybe a driver issue |
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| 23:19.41 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: and which card? |
| 23:20.03 | efface | says im running 100 full |
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| 23:20.48 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
| 23:21.21 | IgorSobreira | yep.... |
| 23:21.48 | IgorSobreira | ATI is not a linux friend rigth? |
| 23:21.50 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: snd-hda-intel, the driver for that card, is a fast moving target. try a really new kernel, 2.6.22 or so, or build your own alsa drivers |
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| 23:22.49 | JordiGH | IgorSobreira: Actually, some radeon cards have free 3d drivers that have Just Worked for me. The kids are loving Beryl on them. |
| 23:23.08 | JordiGH | IgorSobreira: And ATI has promised to release completely free drivers, but I don't know what's keeping them... |
| 23:23.10 | jelly-home | JordiGH: not his xpress 200m, though |
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| 23:24.13 | JordiGH | jelly-home: DON'T BUY FROM ATI! http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/dont-buy-from-ati |
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| 23:24.20 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I'm using r300 drivers from git on a xpress 200 and it's crappy |
| 23:25.28 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I'm not sure what card I'm using. I'll check later. But the radeon driver has been bliss. Even Nexuiz runs the fastest I've ever seen. |
| 23:25.44 | IgorSobreira | well...the driver for ATI...like jelly-home said...is snd-hda-intel...but i already have it... |
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| 23:26.32 | jelly-home | JordiGH: the mgt didn't take the absence of free drivers as a reason to buy something else. however some of us unix guys bought cheap nvidias and they work like a charm |
| 23:26.43 | jelly-home | w/ binary drivers, of course |
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| 23:27.13 | JordiGH | I've always had problems with the nvidia blob. I hate it as I hate hell, all Capulets, and thee. |
| 23:27.38 | JordiGH | Breakage with kernel changes is one major annoyance. Also, dual screens. |
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| 23:28.02 | JordiGH | Fortunately, I've been blob-free for the past six months or so. Maybe longer. |
| 23:28.12 | JordiGH | Intel and recently the Radeon cards. Woohoo. |
| 23:28.13 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: I have a similar chipset (ATI SB600) and card. It works acceptably well since 2.6.20. |
| 23:28.24 | efface | moshii: if i do lsmod and i dont see eth0 listed is that a sign of the module not grabbing the device? |
| 23:28.44 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: so, like I said, use a newer kernel or at least newer alsa drivers. |
| 23:29.24 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: I think there's a 2.6.21 for etch available at backports.org, you could try that |
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| 23:30.19 | jelly-home | IgorSobreira: or try #alsa, maybe they have more ideas |
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| 23:31.45 | efface | moshii: i think i found the problem in messages, u still here? |
| 23:31.54 | GarryFre | I just saw a priceless question and I quote "I just started using linux 7 minutes ago. Can anyone help me compile my kernel?" |
| 23:32.11 | JordiGH | GarryFre: Hahaha! |
| 23:32.32 | efface | hehe |
| 23:32.59 | GarryFre | So I replied. I started playing guitar 7 minutes ago, can anyone help me play Beethoven's fifth syphony? |
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| 23:34.04 | efface | that would work more w/ a piano... |
| 23:34.35 | jelly-home | GarryFre: what about Albinoni's Adagio? That ought to be doable on a guitar. |
| 23:36.10 | GarryFre | jelly-home hehe |
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| 23:37.10 | FredMac | is it possible and/or advisable to share my /home mount between ubuntu feisty and debian 4 rc1? |
| 23:37.45 | jelly-home | FredMac: yes and maybe. you better not use suspend-to-disk. |
| 23:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, why not |
| 23:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, why? Is that going to /home/? |
| 23:38.19 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:38.23 | FredMac | CutMeOwnThroat: are you serious. Thats a bit of a fickle answer. I can think of laods of reason not least init data being incompatible. |
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| 23:38.41 | GarryFre | Linux is not just the kernel, but he modules, suppose one module, expects something out of /mount that's different between the two distros? Ye would have a lot of "Fun" |
| 23:39.04 | FredMac | GarryFre: we are talking /home |
| 23:39.16 | GarryFre | oh |
| 23:39.49 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: scenario: work something. suspend-to-disk OS A. boot OS B, remount /home, journal gets replayed. data gets changed. shut down os B. resume OS A. which doesn't know a filesystem got changed under its feet. |
| 23:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredMac, well... I've seen shared /home between sun/SGI/linux and whatnot ... of course there are *some* problems, but the benefits are far bigger, I would thing |
| 23:40.19 | FredMac | CutMeOwnThroat: sure. everything is a trade off. btw, its a lot more mature in here than in the Ubuntu pig pen :-; |
| 23:40.21 | JordiGH | FredMac: No. Debian and Ubuntu have different versions of packages and your /home directory contains personalisations of many different kinds in hidden files. Well, it won't break anything, just cause a lot of minor annoyances most likely. |
| 23:40.36 | FredMac | so, 3 different answers .... sigh :) |
| 23:40.44 | JordiGH | #debian alone is reason enough to prefer Debian over Ubuntu. :-) |
| 23:41.10 | JordiGH | FredMac: My answer is "it will mostly work with small glitches now and then." |
| 23:41.17 | FredMac | Anyone else want to comment on JordiGH#s last statement about it being a pain in the arse to share /home? |
| 23:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hm, I see no *huge* problems... some lockfiles might get into each others ways etc. but I see no major breakage |
| 23:41.22 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I'd like to see a polished configuration and UI in Debian some day. |
| 23:41.40 | GarryFre | It really does depend FredMac, it is possible, but like the guy who spent hours to get a tv screen in his Gnome when he's got a TV right there next to the computer, ye got to ask if it worth the possible trouble. |
| 23:41.46 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Hm, what do you mean? You having Ubuntu envy about what part? |
| 23:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredMac, actually, it is quite problematic to use the same $HOME for different kde versions... icons disappear etc. |
| 23:42.09 | FredMac | KDE? Yuck. No thanks. |
| 23:42.25 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: OS A has in-memory cache and disk structures, different from what's actually on disk. fs corruption follows. |
| 23:42.40 | JordiGH | ! |
| 23:42.48 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you install it and everything works |
| 23:42.52 | JordiGH | KDE basher. That's it, we're not on speaking terms anymore. |
| 23:43.11 | FredMac | Err, "yuck" is Romanian for "kewl" .... |
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| 23:43.19 | JordiGH | jelly-home: etch has given me that impression. well, it seemed friendly enough for me. Everything that was there worked, but I had to setup NIS/NFS, and other stuff by myself. |
| 23:43.26 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a debugger for php included with apt-get ? |
| 23:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, you're telling me the disks are left unsynced for s2disk? |
| 23:44.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: no, I'm telling Linux doesn't expect something else to write to mess with a mounted fs. |
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| 23:44.22 | GarryFre | There are programs that have data in hidden home directories, that might be different formats because of version differences, between the two distros. |
| 23:44.53 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: when you s2disk, all the fs are still mounted rw. |
| 23:45.10 | GarryFre | Oh we are talking about sharing between two sumultaneously running distros? |
| 23:45.14 | FredMac | I am just about to try and install debian again. Just to check - the installer can resize, reliably, existing partitions? And create new partitions? |
| 23:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, well, but that just means you're saying it's generally a bad idea to mounted a suspended mounted drive... |
| 23:45.21 | JordiGH | jelly-home: True story, I had thought of giving Feisty Fawn to my ex-roommates who wanted to use free software after seeing me use it for months without a hitch. But there were problems, mostly with the video card, stuff locked up, and I said, "that's it. You're getting Debian stable." I did set it up for them, but so far, no crashes, no instability, nothing. |
| 23:45.26 | JordiGH | etch's stability is nothing to be scoffed at. |
| 23:45.28 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. |
| 23:45.51 | FredMac | JordiGH: must be your install ... works fine for me ... :-; |
| 23:45.58 | JordiGH | FredMac: Yes. Choose "manual". |
| 23:45.58 | FredMac | Or maybe KDE .... |
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| 23:46.00 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that's why I didn't comment on that bit. |
| 23:46.04 | GarryFre | Good job JordiGH |
| 23:46.10 | deadb0x | Evening folks |
| 23:46.13 | FredMac | Wish me luck guys. |
| 23:46.22 | JordiGH | FredMac: It was an issue with an ATI card in all fairness towards Ubuntu. |
| 23:46.33 | FredMac | (takes coffeee to make sure he gets his partitions right ...) |
| 23:46.36 | unilynx | Are there any wireless network managers for gnome? |
| 23:46.41 | JordiGH | Other minor things. Some apps were segfaulting. |
| 23:46.44 | FredMac | JordiGH: ATI support sucks. |
| 23:47.07 | FredMac | See you in debian land soon .... |
| 23:47.11 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: well, if one's planning to share a fs between OSes, one might easily end up mounting it. |
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| 23:47.39 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: I know I did... don't boot an older kernel from grub, either :-) |
| 23:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredMac, so... sure, there will be a lot of small gliches from different versions of the same program.... but I don't think it will be anything major |
| 23:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | kde was one of the bigger issues I remember from sharing two different debian systems, one with stable, one with testing/unstable over nfs |
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| 23:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | fvwm2 should be fine, though :) |
| 23:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or ratpoison |
| 23:49.20 | deadb0x | Well seems Ive run into another pit of misconfiguration somewhere between openldap, pam, nss and ssl certs... pam and nss behave perfectly well while using the ldap:// but as soon as I switch to ldaps:// they choke.... but using ldapsearch with ldaps:// works just fine... any ideas |
| 23:49.47 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: or bash! |
| 23:50.07 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: windows does it nicely, if the boot loader detects a hibernated image, it doesn't give you any options to mess it up but proceeds directly to resuming it. they also don't have multiple kernels to worry about if you got to the ntldr menu somehow. |
| 23:51.55 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 23:51.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 42 rabid ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:52.14 | GarryFre | lol |
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| 23:52.28 | JordiGH | I wanna see the source of that command. |
| 23:52.48 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg literal any ideas |
| 23:52.59 | jelly-home | [spoiler alert] |
| 23:53.01 | unilynx | Anyone used the patch for fglrx to work in 2.6.21 testing? |
| 23:53.31 | GarryFre | So the ostrich part would be Rabid Application Develoment? |
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| 23:53.49 | c0rnd0g | hi |
| 23:54.00 | JordiGH | Hehehehe... |
| 23:54.05 | JordiGH | !greet c0rnd0g |
| 23:54.05 | dpkg | Hello, c0rnd0g |
| 23:54.22 | c0rnd0g | hi dpkg |
| 23:54.27 | c0rnd0g | how are you? |
| 23:54.27 | dpkg | eh, ok, c0rnd0g |
| 23:54.44 | JordiGH | ! |
| 23:55.00 | jelly-home | deadb0x: the #ldap guys are not helpful, huh? |
| 23:55.08 | JordiGH | That's the most interactive I've ever seen dpkg. Five seconds of Turing test passed. |
| 23:55.17 | GarryFre | use to have fun with some other distro's bot to get it to say "I don't know anything about women." and they locked it. |
| 23:55.27 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@APoitiers-258-1-38-115.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:55.32 | GarryFre | er changed it |
| 23:55.55 | JordiGH | Our bot is just silent if you feed it nonsense. |
| 23:56.03 | JordiGH | dpkg, dance naked for us! Yeah, baby, like that! |
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| 23:56.14 | JordiGH | dpkg, debian. |
| 23:56.14 | dpkg | methinks debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 23:56.19 | JordiGH | See? |
| 23:56.20 | GarryFre | !women |
| 23:56.20 | dpkg | it has been said that women is woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux : http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO.html |
| 23:56.34 | JordiGH | !woman |
| 23:56.34 | dpkg | well, woman is do a 'man woman' (apt-get install funny-manpages) |
| 23:56.52 | JordiGH | dpkg, woman is also an Emacs addon for browsing manpages. |
| 23:56.52 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 23:57.08 | jelly-home | JordiGH: don't be a bible quote. http://www.bash.org/?178890 |
| 23:57.19 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: woman is an emacs addon? :P |
| 23:57.26 | JordiGH | Everything is an Emacs addon. |
| 23:57.34 | c0rnd0g | lol |
| 23:57.48 | jelly-home | is Emacs an Emacs addon? |
| 23:57.54 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: do they have a vim-enhanced emacs addon? |
| 23:57.58 | simonrvn | yeh, when it's xemacs |
| 23:58.02 | JordiGH | c0rnd0g: Probably. |
| 23:58.09 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:58.14 | simonrvn | a few |
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| 23:58.16 | JordiGH | c0rnd0g: I mean, vim is an Emacs component. |
| 23:58.16 | c0rnd0g | simonrvn: 4Real? |
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| 23:58.38 | JordiGH | c0rnd0g: Resistance is futile. Emacs will assimilate your code too, especially if it's written in elisp. |
| 23:58.40 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: i mean is there an emacs with emacs deliciousness with vim shortcuts and security? |
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| 23:58.56 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: lol |
| 23:58.59 | JordiGH | I think viper mode does most of that. |
| 23:58.59 | jelly-home | c0rnd0g: nothing like vim bindings for MS Word... |
| 23:59.22 | c0rnd0g | jelly-home: i like to be bilateral for therft purposes, sry |
| 23:59.33 | c0rnd0g | jelly-home: antitheft thefter i guess :) |
