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| 00:01.14 | jelly-home | timthelion: at about 1/4 of the result page, you'll see "Package ghc6" ... the versions available in testing and unstable match your >= 6.6.1 |
| 00:01.24 | jetx | you build the source to create the binary |
| 00:01.38 | jetx | acu |
| 00:02.06 | acu | tell me again apt-get build ? |
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| 00:02.33 | acu | jetx I have a deb file |
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| 00:02.57 | jetx | not sure |
| 00:03.04 | jetx | !buildpackage |
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| 00:03.17 | simonrvn | figured he wouldn't stay long |
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| 00:03.29 | snowbird | who? |
| 00:03.33 | simonrvn | Will_Cego |
| 00:03.43 | snowbird | ahh |
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| 00:04.37 | jetx | gd i really want to go buy some bluebell from the grocery store |
| 00:04.47 | Drevay | crap |
| 00:04.56 | Drevay | how do i update the gpg key? |
| 00:05.04 | Drevay | for marrilot |
| 00:05.07 | jetx | /topic |
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| 00:05.14 | jetx | !marillat key |
| 00:05.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marillat key is sudo aptitude install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export marillat@debian.org | sudo apt-key add - ; or ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> or ask me about <apt secure> |
| 00:05.16 | acu | Drevay: you do not need it |
| 00:05.21 | Drevay | ok |
| 00:05.23 | acu | is just a security issue |
| 00:05.35 | jetx | actually he has it as a package |
| 00:05.39 | simonrvn | "just" |
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| 00:05.56 | jetx | you can just apt-get install debian marillat key or so and then apt-get update |
| 00:06.00 | simonrvn | !lart acu |
| 00:06.05 | jetx | i forget the exact package name |
| 00:06.08 | jetx | apt-cache search |
| 00:06.22 | simonrvn | probably debian-multimedia-keyring or such |
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| 00:06.33 | jetx | looks right iirc |
| 00:06.53 | jelly-home | simonrvn: and is available in the debian-multimedia repo? :-) |
| 00:07.02 | simonrvn | duh ;) |
| 00:07.20 | jetx | ok bluebell it is |
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| 00:08.00 | simonrvn | *krkrkrkrkrkrkrrooooowooom!* |
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| 00:08.29 | jelly-home | marillat needs more mirrors (or hosting on some free/academia site) |
| 00:08.37 | snowbird | sim0nrvn |
| 00:08.41 | simonrvn | would help |
| 00:08.43 | snowbird | u happy? |
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| 00:09.05 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 00:09.15 | snowbird | way u tpeing |
| 00:10.30 | jelly-home | it's still better than some other people |
| 00:10.43 | snowbird | way better than mine |
| 00:10.44 | baka_gaijin | sorry for repeating this. hi, i'd like assistance installing the ipw3945 wireless drivers. the tutorial i'm reading ( http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ ) doesn't quite match up with debian. i'm using a fresh install of 64-bit lenny on a dell inspiron 1520 |
| 00:10.48 | snowbird | i type like shi |
| 00:10.52 | simonrvn | t |
| 00:11.01 | jelly-home | at least you're aware :-) |
| 00:11.18 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 00:12.32 | simonrvn | yup |
| 00:12.45 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 00:13.00 | simonrvn | LigHt: are you a bot? |
| 00:13.04 | zicho | is there anyway to display which version of debian you have installed? |
| 00:13.10 | simonrvn | !version |
| 00:13.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 00:13.46 | zicho | !version |
| 00:13.46 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 00:13.50 | simonrvn | yup, both in #redhat and #debian, with a crappy little ircname |
| 00:14.10 | simonrvn | zicho: uh, you could have read what the bot *already* showed ... |
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| 00:14.26 | zicho | sorry =P |
| 00:15.04 | simonrvn | zicho: hehe |
| 00:15.32 | zicho | apparently i have debian 4.0 |
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| 00:22.07 | Drevay | welp, that didn't help |
| 00:22.10 | Drevay | oh well |
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| 00:24.01 | [Nande] | !help |
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| 00:25.50 | mortenmj | i'm working on getting hibernate up and running the way it should. it suspends, but it doesn't seem to do anything it's told to do in /etc/hibernate/common.conf. it doesn't remove modules or execute any of the commands i've tried to define with OnSuspend. what gives? |
| 00:25.53 | Boricua2875 | can someone help me. I installed debian and now I can only come up to grub, what do I do to get past this point |
| 00:26.14 | mortenmj | Boricua2875: did you try selecting one of the kernels listed? |
| 00:26.29 | simonrvn | !tell [Nande] -about ask |
| 00:26.31 | jetx | i got 2 half gallons :) |
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| 00:26.48 | simonrvn | of bluebell? what is that anyway? |
| 00:26.51 | Boricua2875 | there are none listed mort |
| 00:26.56 | jetx | ice cream |
| 00:26.59 | snowbird | u run red hat ? |
| 00:26.59 | Boricua2875 | how do I list them |
| 00:27.03 | simonrvn | aah ;) |
| 00:27.08 | mortenmj | lulz |
| 00:27.19 | Drevay | hey, how do i tell my processor and processor speed in Linux? |
| 00:27.41 | simonrvn | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:27.44 | [Nande] | simonrvn: thanks, i wanted to know the capabilities of dpkg (not the debian dpkg XD) |
| 00:27.56 | simonrvn | [Nande]: oh hehe |
| 00:27.58 | Boricua2875 | any idea what to do when there are none listed? |
| 00:28.06 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 00:28.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little thermal paste, and a dozen starving hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:28.34 | [Nande] | Xd |
| 00:29.07 | mortenmj | Boricua2875: is the partition in question flagged as bootable? |
| 00:29.20 | simonrvn | that doesn't matter |
| 00:29.25 | mortenmj | k |
| 00:29.29 | mortenmj | then i have nothing |
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| 00:30.43 | Boricua2875 | all I see is grub |
| 00:30.47 | Boricua2875 | I cannot see anything else |
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| 00:31.12 | Drevay | guys i have a problem |
| 00:31.21 | Drevay | azureus is completely blank after updating it :/ |
| 00:31.27 | zedboy | Dear god, is it possible that Seamonkey Composer sucks so badly? |
| 00:31.53 | simonrvn | Drevay: use something else. that thing is a hog |
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| 00:32.07 | zedboy | Does anyone know of an html editor that doesn't suck rocks? |
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| 00:32.14 | Drevay | ok :) |
| 00:32.22 | mortenmj | zedboy: vim |
| 00:32.34 | simonrvn | zedboy: composer sucketh ;) |
| 00:32.39 | zedboy | mortenmj: that's what i'm about to do. |
| 00:32.54 | zedboy | mortenmj: but dicking around with my divs' hard positions is going to take all night. |
| 00:33.16 | mortenmj | zedboy: why use hard positions? |
| 00:33.27 | zedboy | mortenmj: because *I* want to decide where the elements go. |
| 00:33.35 | mortenmj | you can do that without hard positions |
| 00:33.40 | Boricua2875 | Is there anything else that I can do to get past this |
| 00:34.04 | mortenmj | Boricua2875: i guess you could try booting from the cd and running grub-update or something |
| 00:34.14 | Drevay | what's a good bittorrent client i could use? |
| 00:34.18 | Drevay | besides azureus |
| 00:34.20 | Boricua2875 | that is the thing this is remote at a datacenter |
| 00:34.24 | mortenmj | Drevay: bittornado |
| 00:34.24 | Boricua2875 | the cd popped out |
| 00:34.30 | Drevay | k thanks :) |
| 00:34.41 | mortenmj | Boricua2875: you use a cd when installing on a remote computer? |
| 00:34.47 | mortenmj | the only question that comes to mind is...why? |
| 00:34.52 | zedboy | mortenmj: you got something brilliant for me? cause I'm sick of playing with table properties. |
| 00:34.59 | Boricua2875 | yes |
| 00:35.14 | mortenmj | zedboy: i dunno, mang. i'm not a professional. but when i have dabbled in divs, i've used relative positions |
| 00:35.24 | Boricua2875 | the cd was physcially inserted then installed from home |
| 00:35.26 | mortenmj | it takes a bit of doing, i guess, but i always found it scaled better to other resolutions |
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| 00:35.39 | zedboy | mortenmj: this site is fixed width :) |
| 00:35.42 | Drevay | just curious, this computer hass IDE, but one i'm building has SATA - does 4.0 support SATA during installation? |
| 00:35.58 | simonrvn | depending on chipset, yes |
| 00:36.03 | Drevay | ok |
| 00:36.03 | jelly-home | Drevay: depends on the controller, some are too new for 2.6.18 |
| 00:36.13 | Drevay | ok |
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| 00:37.02 | jelly-home | updates of installation media ought to have newer kernels just for that |
| 00:37.10 | Drevay | what would be a good mobo for Linux (Debian)? |
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| 00:38.00 | simonrvn | jelly-home: good idea; whether we'll see that or not? doubt it, unless there's a big-ass flame war on d-d |
| 00:38.09 | [gtime]silent | I'm running an athlon 64 (running 32 bit), which kernel would be best for me? k7 or 686, and is image-amd64 64-bit only? |
| 00:38.15 | mortenmj | i'm working on getting hibernate up and running the way it should. it suspends, but it doesn't seem to do anything it's told to do in /etc/hibernate/common.conf. it doesn't remove modules or execute any of the commands i've tried to define with OnSuspend. what gives? |
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| 00:38.47 | jelly-home | simonrvn: is there a moment in time when there are NO big flamewars on debian lists? :-) |
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| 00:39.08 | simonrvn | jelly-home: when no one's posting |
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| 00:40.24 | jelly-home | hpmh. thunder, 4 seconds away. |
| 00:40.40 | simonrvn | batten down the hatches |
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| 00:42.01 | Drevay | ok guys, time for a smoke break :] |
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| 00:42.29 | mortenmj | pet peeve of the now: finding forum threads related to my question including nothing but the original poster's question, followed by "i fixed it!" |
| 00:43.50 | trino | hi! |
| 00:43.50 | mortenmj | jelly-home: i wish :( |
| 00:44.06 | chupie | i have a imac i am trying to get debian to work on.. i have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, yet it still just gives me a blank screen when x starts, and i just tried Xorg -configure but it quits with the error: Failed to initialize core devices |
| 00:44.20 | mortenmj | none of the commands in /etc/hibernate/common.conf are executed :( |
| 00:44.33 | mortenmj | they are clearly parsed, as i got an error earlier when i had a command with wrong syntax |
| 00:44.34 | [Nande] | using ssh, how do i start a graphic application and let the graphic part excecutes in the REMOTE XServer? |
| 00:44.39 | jelly-home | mortenmj: if there's any consolation, I tried to add a function in /etc/hibernate/scriptlets.d but nothing in the hibernate scripts seems to actually read from that dir |
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| 00:44.58 | mortenmj | jelly-home: that's strange |
| 00:45.20 | mortenmj | and while your pain certainly does console me a little bit, it doesn't fix my problem |
| 00:45.23 | jelly-home | mortenmj: I think it only looks at /usr/share/hibernate/ |
| 00:45.30 | mortenmj | how gay |
| 00:45.35 | [Nande] | lol |
| 00:45.42 | jelly-home | totally not gay at all |
| 00:45.46 | simonrvn | !tell mortenmj -about gay |
| 00:45.46 | mortenmj | way gay |
| 00:45.54 | jelly-home | no, it's quite sad |
| 00:45.59 | trino | somebody knows Party pirate? |
| 00:46.08 | trino | Partido Pirata |
| 00:46.09 | mortenmj | hah. i've spotted the flaw in your logic |
| 00:46.14 | mortenmj | i'm not voiced as it is |
| 00:46.30 | mortenmj | you must first voice me |
| 00:46.36 | jelly-home | /mode mortenmj +v |
| 00:46.46 | NicNac | what can I get for £3.60? |
| 00:46.58 | simonrvn | /mode mortenmj +q |
| 00:47.01 | jelly-home | NicNac: a compliment. |
| 00:47.08 | mortenmj | a really cheap whore |
| 00:47.15 | simonrvn | NicNac: lunch |
| 00:47.32 | jelly-home | mortenmj: WHERE?! |
| 00:47.43 | mortenmj | jelly-home: africa |
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| 00:47.48 | [Nande] | using ssh, how do i start a graphic application and let the graphic part excecutes in the REMOTE XServer? |
| 00:47.53 | jelly-home | TCO too high. |
| 00:48.08 | mortenmj | [Nande]: unless i'm misunderstanding, ssh -X |
| 00:48.25 | jelly-home | [Nande]: no simple way. |
| 00:48.50 | simonrvn | remote? heh |
| 00:48.53 | [Nande] | :S |
| 00:48.56 | mortenmj | oh, wait. right... |
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| 00:49.02 | jelly-home | [Nande]: you mean sshing to remote machine, and let the window open on its local X server that is already running? |
| 00:49.04 | simonrvn | not easy ;) |
| 00:49.07 | jetx | a filthy disease ridden whore maybe |
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| 00:50.13 | [Nande] | jelly-home: exaclty |
| 00:50.33 | zedboy | I should just use Yahoo Site Builder ... by far the fastest way to get what you want on the screen... |
| 00:51.53 | Drevay | hulo |
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| 00:52.26 | dagbrown | Hey woot, there's a #debian, I quite forgot |
| 00:52.36 | jelly-home | [Nande]: did the same user start the X session and log in via ssh? |
| 00:52.54 | dagbrown | Uh, so, I have a question: what do I need to type at an Englishified computer to get it to have the same packages that would be installed if I'd installed it in Japanese? |
| 00:53.22 | jelly-home | [Nande]: if it's the same user, might be as simple as export DISPLAY=:0; run_app & |
| 00:53.53 | [Nande] | jelly-home: nop, assume u login in another person pc via ssh and run a program that let display something in the other person X |
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| 00:54.40 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: there's not much difference |
| 00:54.48 | jelly-home | [Nande]: you need to have root permission or some other way to read their X authorization cookies. |
| 00:54.58 | simonrvn | only difference being the interface language ;) |
| 00:55.16 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: There's not! Except that when you install in Japanese, there's a correctly-configured Japanese input method all set up and ready to use, and when you install in English, there isn't. |
| 00:55.20 | [Nande] | jelly-home: ok, asume i have, now what i have to do? |
| 00:55.27 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: the main ones being that the default locale, and which locales are built. |
| 00:55.36 | dagbrown | And that input-method thing |
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| 00:56.01 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: the input method thing is a function of the keymap you've selected; the package set installed doesn't change (unless you pick a default set of packages to install) |
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| 00:56.07 | jelly-home | [Nande]: they're usually stored in ~/.Xauthority. If you have read access to that file, you can either copy it over to your ~/.Xauthority, or export XAUTHORITY=/path/to/.Xauthority in addition to setting the DISPLAY |
| 00:56.11 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: No, it's nothing to do with the keymap. |
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| 00:56.33 | [Nande] | jelly-home: sorry i dont understand.. |
| 00:57.04 | jelly-home | [Nande]: cp ~user-that-runs-x/.Xauthority ~ |
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| 00:57.57 | [Nande] | jelly-home: the thing is that i don't understand what i have to do (beside copyng a file), also, i login from a windows (mobile) machine |
| 00:58.08 | chupie | ok, now i did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to get it back to the way it first was.. right now. something is showing up, but the screen is all distorted, |
| 00:58.26 | Drevay | well i'll ttyl guys :) |
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| 00:59.35 | jelly-home | [Nande]: ok. say user anne has started X. user bill is logged in via ssh and wants to display stuff on Anne's X session. bill has to: cp ~anne/.Xauthority ~; export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 00:59.55 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: it's got everything to do with the keymap, actually... but you're probably actually looking for something like anthy or similar. |
| 00:59.59 | jelly-home | [Nande]: and then run an app. xdisplay is a good test. |
| 01:00.08 | jelly-home | [Nande]: sorry, xdpyinfo |
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| 01:00.19 | Drevay | one last quick question |
| 01:00.25 | Drevay | how do i select a screensaver in gnome? |
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| 01:00.40 | dondelelcaro | (since almost all of the hiragana->kanji methods are X specific) |
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| 01:01.00 | [Nande] | jelly-home: if u have time, i'd like u know why i have to copy that file? |
| 01:01.01 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: Yes! And all of that is configured automatically when you install in japanese, and isn't configured at all when you install in English. If you don't know how that works, then feel free to let someone who does know pipe up. |
| 01:01.31 | jelly-home | [Nande]: you need xauth cookies that are stored there to be able to run any X app on display :0 |
| 01:01.34 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: it's only installed if you install the japense task, which doesn't necessarily happen unless you pick a task. |
| 01:01.50 | Drevay | i just want to select which screensaver i want to use, sort of thing |
| 01:01.59 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: in this sense, it's not installed by default at all. If you want to install it after the fact, then use aptitude or similar to install the japanese task. |
| 01:02.01 | dagbrown | Cool! How do I get to do that after the system's up and running then? |
| 01:02.03 | Drevay | i know it's very newbish of me, but i can't for the life of me remember how |
| 01:02.07 | [Nande] | jelly-home: mmm i think i read something bout that, i'll research, thanks, btw, how do i copy a file over ssh?? |
| 01:02.10 | jelly-home | [Nande]: it's a simple security measure to keep other users from running crap on your display. |
| 01:02.21 | [Nande] | lol |
| 01:02.52 | dondelelcaro | [Nande]: you can use tar or cat or similar to do that. |
| 01:02.57 | dondelelcaro | [Nande]: or scp if it's installed. |
| 01:03.09 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: hit ? |
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| 01:03.20 | jelly-home | [Nande]: you're copying a local file, so: cp. |
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| 01:03.29 | pipeline | [Nande]: tar -cf - stuff | ssh user@host '(cd /target; tar -xvf -)' |
| 01:03.36 | dondelelcaro | or tar -C |
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| 01:03.47 | jelly-home | no, he's not copying remotely |
| 01:03.52 | [Nande] | oh, thanks all, but i'm using (and have 2) putty |
| 01:04.00 | jelly-home | he's just logged in via ssh |
| 01:04.16 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: That's not actually as helpful as you think, because aptitude has such a bizarre workflow and such counterintuitive keystrokes that ? is every other command. |
| 01:04.16 | [Nande] | i cant copy a file, cuz i'm running a remote shell.... |
| 01:04.19 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: ah; we're answering the question he asked, which apparently isnt' the question he should have asked. |
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| 01:04.32 | [Nande] | dondelelcaro: i'm sorry :( |
| 01:04.34 | jelly-home | [Nande]: why can't you copy a file? |
| 01:05.21 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: it may be counterintuitive to you, but once you actually know the arrow keys, enter, +, -, u, U, and g, you've mastered the majority of keystrokes you're going to make. |
| 01:05.22 | [Nande] | jelly-home: basically, i don't know how, but the question i should have made was "how do i copy a file from a remote system to my pc using putty or some terminal emulator?" |
| 01:05.30 | timthelion | jelly-home: thankyou. |
| 01:05.41 | sfmasa | [Nande] scp should work over ssh, just be very careful of syntax |
| 01:05.41 | jelly-home | [Nande]: you don't need to copy anything to your local pc. |
| 01:06.02 | dagbrown | Yeah, "g" for "install". |
| 01:06.03 | jelly-home | [Nande]: unless you're asking a totally unrelated question? |
| 01:06.07 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: no, g for go. |
| 01:06.09 | karsten | dagbrown: The keystrokes borrow heavily from vi and mutt, BTW. |
| 01:06.23 | karsten | Well, aside from 'g' ;-) |
| 01:06.29 | dondelelcaro | g doesn't necessarily install. It does whatever actions you've told it to do. |
| 01:06.37 | Drevay | ok well, i guess i'll come back tomorrow :) |
| 01:06.42 | [Nande] | jelly-home: nop, is about copy the Xauth,... sorry, i guess i didnt understood T_T |
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| 01:07.19 | dagbrown | "keypad enter" would almost be more intuitive. At least the 75-year-old mainframe guys would get it. |
| 01:07.46 | jelly-home | dagbrown: eh, if you think aptitude's unintuitive, you should try dselect :-| |
| 01:08.02 | reiser2 | How can i install QT 3.0.5 using synaptic ? |
| 01:08.07 | chupie | hmm... ok, my problem w/ Xorg on my imac is fixed.. well sorta i guess, with the config that debian did on install, it works.. it just took forever for everything to load.. but when gdm pops up and asks for the password, it just sits there and does nothing |
| 01:08.10 | reiser2 | Hi abrotman |
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| 01:08.27 | dondelelcaro | reiser2: why do you want that version of qt? |
| 01:08.40 | reiser2 | http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/docs/es/index-2.html#ss2.3ç |
| 01:08.47 | reiser2 | well, i think i can use qt 4 |
| 01:09.09 | dondelelcaro | it probably just wants qt3 |
| 01:09.17 | dondelelcaro | reiser2: so install libqt3-mt-dev |
| 01:09.31 | [gtime]silent | I just upgraded to a k7 kernel, and now I get a /bin/sh Cant access tty; job control turned off error trying to boot either kernel (old and new) anyone know what went wrong? |
| 01:09.50 | reiser2 | ok, thanks |
| 01:10.04 | [Nande] | jelly-home: thanks jelly u where rite, all i had 2 to is using export Display=:0 (i'm loggin in my own computer with a remote mobile device) |
| 01:10.25 | dondelelcaro | [gtime]silent: which k7 kernel? One you built yourself? |
| 01:10.35 | [gtime]silent | no |
| 01:10.41 | [gtime]silent | apt-get install |
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| 01:10.52 | alex12345 | hi all, I'm trying to compile coreutils under debian. I get this error :/usr/include/gconv.h:72: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘size_t’. how do I fix it? thanks |
| 01:11.17 | dagbrown | jelly-home: I try to restrict my exposure to dselect to "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 01:11.24 | dondelelcaro | alex12345: is there any reason why you're not using the Debian packages of coreutils? |
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| 01:12.14 | alex12345 | I have them installed . I was going to study source code |
| 01:12.23 | jelly-home | alex12345: have you installed the build-dependencies for coreutils before trying to build? |
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| 01:13.17 | [gtime]silent | dondelelcaro, any idea what went wrong? |
| 01:13.20 | reiser2 | i download lx_viewer , but when i thy to compile, there is no ./configure |
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| 01:13.51 | alex12345 | I dont see this package in package manager... |
| 01:14.54 | dondelelcaro | [gtime]silent: you still haven't answered the first part of the question; it'd also be nice to know what hardware you're running on |
| 01:15.18 | jelly-home | reiser2: Qt / KDE apps use qmake. Have you read your app's build documentation? |
| 01:16.44 | jelly-home | reiser2: you might need to install qt3-dev-tools as well |
| 01:16.45 | timthelion | sid is unstable right? |
| 01:16.51 | jelly-home | right |
| 01:16.59 | dagbrown | sid is Crazy Man |
| 01:17.03 | reiser2 | yes |
| 01:17.22 | timthelion | ohh, that's why it's not working, |
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| 01:17.49 | mortenmj | i'm working on getting hibernate up and running the way it should. it suspends, but it doesn't seem to do anything it's told to do in /etc/hibernate/common.conf. it doesn't remove modules or execute any of the commands i've tried to define with OnSuspend. what gives? |
| 01:18.14 | timthelion | hmm, security.debian.org sid/updates/main Packages gave me 404 |
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| 01:18.51 | jelly-home | mortenmj: does /var/log/hibernate.log provide any clues? |
| 01:18.52 | timthelion | should I go ahead with the upgrade anyway? |
| 01:19.13 | jelly-home | timthelion: sid has NO security updates. |
| 01:19.25 | timthelion | oh, so I should comment |
| 01:19.26 | timthelion | deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main |
| 01:19.46 | jelly-home | timthelion: if you only want your new ghc, I'd suggest using testing instead |
| 01:20.13 | timthelion | jelly-home: what's the code name? |
| 01:20.19 | jelly-home | timthelion: "testing" |
| 01:20.34 | jelly-home | timthelion: lenny is the code name |
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| 01:21.01 | timthelion | jelly-home: I don't want to use 'testing' in sources because then when I wake up one morning and do an update, I could be doing an upgrade unknowingly |
| 01:21.03 | jmichaelx | i realize that lenny is not the stable release, but is it generally stable enough for general use? |
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| 01:21.20 | jelly-home | timthelion: well, you were going to use sid... |
| 01:21.43 | timthelion | jelly-home: ya I know, I'm contradictory. but... |
| 01:21.46 | jelly-home | timthelion: but you're right, if you use "lenny", you'll still be on lenny when it becomes stable |
| 01:22.04 | simonrvn | jmichaelx: desktop wise, with someone with some experience for sure. in of itself, it's generally stable, barring bad bugs that snuck by from sid |
| 01:22.51 | jmichaelx | i am no linux expert, but have been using it for a little over a year, and am tempted to go to lenny |
| 01:23.56 | dagbrown | I've been using Lenny basically since it showed up. |
| 01:23.57 | karsten | jmichaelx: I'd generally say sure. Testing for someone who's savvy works great for a desktop, even a server if you can stand the occasional bumps. |
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| 01:25.06 | jmichaelx | is it just a matter of changing 'etch' to 'lenny' in the repos, and then doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 01:25.09 | jelly-home | nah, stable + backports (or even builds from upstream source) for servers ftw |
| 01:25.31 | karsten | !stable->testing |
| 01:25.31 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 01:25.33 | karsten | jmichaelx: ^^ |
| 01:25.37 | jelly-home | jmichaelx: yup |
| 01:25.42 | karsten | jmichaelx: In general, yes. |
| 01:25.43 | jmichaelx | ty all |
| 01:26.02 | timthelion | omg omg I typed sudo aptitude upgrade and then Y... wish me luck! |
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| 01:26.56 | jelly-home | timthelion: dist-upgrade would have been more appropriate for you too, since you're doing the same thing |
| 01:29.15 | timthelion | jelly-home: hmm, I don't touch dist upgrade. that's how I totally screwed my ubuntu install, is it uninstalled everything, and then it crashed, and I was left with an empty shell of a system, with nothnig installed! |
| 01:29.28 | jelly-home | timthelion: ubuntu sucks. |
| 01:29.56 | simonrvn | hairy donkey balls |
| 01:30.04 | timthelion | jelly-home: what kind of patch would they make to apt that would make it that much worse than what they pulled from debian? |
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| 01:30.11 | lunk | going from gentoo to debian led me to everything i've ever desired in a distro, thank you for all your hard work, you know who you are. |
| 01:30.11 | jelly-home | timthelion: I dare say that sort of thing does not happen on Debian, unless you explicitely confirm it. |
| 01:30.52 | timthelion | lunk: going from hell to texas eh? |
| 01:31.10 | lunk | well i don't know about texas, but something like that |
| 01:31.11 | lunk | :D |
| 01:31.26 | dagbrown | Was Gentoo your first ever Linux distro? |
| 01:31.33 | lunk | no |
| 01:31.38 | jelly-home | timthelion: it's not apt's fault, it's the way they do their distro. |
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| 01:31.44 | timthelion | he tried slack first :) |
| 01:31.46 | lunk | slack `96 |
| 01:31.56 | dagbrown | I suppose that's a relief, can you imagine how scarred someone would be if their introduction to Linux was Gentoo? |
| 01:32.01 | lunk | step 2, write 58 floppies, enjoy your weekend |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | dagbrown: for many it was |
| 01:32.04 | sfmasa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.05 | timthelion | damn. I was joking lunk. |
| 01:32.15 | lunk | :) |
| 01:32.17 | dagbrown | "Okay first of all, you have to copy all these files over by hand. Linux is so easy to install!" |
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| 01:32.44 | jelly-home | hey, free unix. who cares about losing mere 3 days |
| 01:32.44 | timthelion | my first distro(that I actually decided to use over windows, was kubuntu. |
| 01:33.03 | lunk | jelly-home: people with millions of dollars who want everything yesterday! |
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| 01:33.15 | dagbrown | My first distro that I decided to use over Windows was SLS. |
| 01:33.25 | timthelion | jelly-home: if you're a corpret lawyer getting payed 800 a day, then you'd pay for software. |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | 800 a day? in what country |
| 01:33.41 | bmrtin | how many of the install disks do i need |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | !d-i bmrtin |
| 01:33.49 | dpkg | bmrtin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:33.55 | timthelion | abrotman: the US, redmond. |
| 01:34.02 | romano2k | hi, i'm a little bit confused |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | timthelion: i think you mean 800 an hour |
| 01:34.12 | timthelion | oh, yes. |
| 01:34.16 | romano2k | how should i unpack a .gz archive? (not .tar.gz) |
| 01:34.23 | lunk | gunzip |
| 01:34.24 | dagbrown | There's CHARGING $800 an hour and there's MAKING $800 an hour |
| 01:34.25 | abrotman | romano2k: gunzip |
| 01:34.45 | dagbrown | Work for a big law firm and you see hardly any of that $800/hr you charge. |
| 01:34.45 | romano2k | of course, i was using tar... |
| 01:34.49 | romano2k | thank you :) |
| 01:34.54 | timthelion | dagbrown: what's the cost for a layer? |
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| 01:35.42 | dagbrown | timthelion: A mere trifle. |
| 01:35.42 | jelly-home | timthelion: Eh, I'm happy if I get $75/hr |
| 01:36.14 | timthelion | dagbrown: one of my dad's friends works for Gates(recognise the name?). I think he makes that much, but I'll have to ask. certantly spends a load. |
| 01:36.39 | timthelion | jelly-home: there are places you get 75 an hour and your on irc? |
| 01:36.40 | jelly-home | timthelion: works with St.Peter at the Gates? |
| 01:36.43 | dagbrown | timthelion: Gates the law firm or Gates the zillionaire? |
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| 01:37.17 | timthelion | dagbrown: as in the law firm owned by the father of the zillionair. |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: is that USD? |
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| 01:37.50 | dagbrown | timthelion: If he's senior, he'll be making $800/hr and charging $5000/hr though. |
| 01:37.56 | simonrvn | no CDN, worth more :P |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | is it? |
| 01:38.14 | simonrvn | no, close |
| 01:38.36 | simonrvn | 0.92 USD |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | it is close |
| 01:38.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes. Note I didn't say that's my usual wage, said I'm happy if I get that amount. ;-) |
| 01:38.50 | abrotman | right |
| 01:38.59 | timthelion | jelly-home: you need prozac? |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | simonrvn: that sounds about what it normally is |
| 01:39.21 | dagbrown | abrotman: You should look at the longer-range charts on Yahoo Finance then. |
| 01:39.26 | simonrvn | about 2-3 motnhs ago it was hovering around 0.70 - 0.75 |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | dagbrown: for what ? |
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| 01:39.44 | jelly-home | timthelion: Need, maybe. Use, no. |
| 01:40.01 | dagbrown | abrotman: http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=CAD&to=USD&amt=1&t=5y |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:40.18 | dagbrown | It's really quite amusing. |
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| 01:40.22 | abrotman | every time i've gone to canada .. it's been about 1USD to .9CAD |
| 01:40.35 | ozatomic^ | i'm having problems wiht shared libs on 64 bit system |
| 01:40.43 | simonrvn | ah 0.94 |
| 01:40.45 | ozatomic^ | ./usr/bin/ld: libpm.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 01:40.57 | chupie | ok, i have xorg starting on my imac, but on the gdm login screen, when i either login, or even click on the sessions button, it freezes |
| 01:41.34 | simonrvn | ozatomic^: pass --with-pic to ./configure explicitly |
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| 01:42.03 | ozatomic^ | wahts with-pic do? |
| 01:42.19 | timthelion | abrotman: if you go to a tourist place like wistler, they charge you 1:1 |
| 01:42.22 | simonrvn | solve your problem |
| 01:42.31 | abrotman | timthelion: i was in cities |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | timthelion: and i don't live on the crappy coast |
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| 01:43.03 | ozatomic^ | simonrvn: i understand that but what is it used for? |
| 01:43.15 | simonrvn | 'whistler', and it's a rich tourist trap |
| 01:43.32 | ozatomic^ | Unrecognized option: --with-pic at ./buildtools/configure.pl line 1385. |
| 01:43.38 | dagbrown | If you go to pretty well anywhere in Canada now with US dollars, they'll charge you 1:1. |
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| 01:43.39 | abrotman | chupie: can you ssh in ? |
| 01:43.48 | simonrvn | ozatomic^: sets the Makefile so that the compiler and linker get -fPIC and -DPIC |
| 01:43.55 | chupie | well, if i do the alt, control, f1 i can get into the console |
| 01:43.57 | simonrvn | ozatomic^: passed to them |
| 01:44.05 | ozatomic^ | arh ok |
| 01:44.22 | ozatomic^ | hmm when i do ./configure --with-pic i get that last error |
| 01:44.28 | simonrvn | ozatomic^: well, it's not using the "standard" GNU configure script AFAICT |
| 01:44.45 | simonrvn | ozatomic^: do --help, and find out |
| 01:44.46 | jelly-home | or someone has an old ./configure |
| 01:44.51 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:45.08 | ozatomic^ | cna i jsut do make --with-pic ? |
| 01:45.24 | simonrvn | make doesn't have that option... |
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| 01:46.04 | simonrvn | do ./configure --help like i just said and find out what option to use for it... |
| 01:46.17 | ozatomic^ | There is one optional argument to this program: The name of the file to use as the basis for the Makefile.config file. Default is 'Makefile.config.in' |
| 01:47.23 | ozatomic^ | does that make sense? |
| 01:47.24 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 01:47.35 | jelly-home | ozatomic^: no. what are you trying to build? |
| 01:47.42 | ozatomic^ | netpbm |
| 01:47.53 | jelly-home | ozatomic^: why? |
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| 01:48.03 | ozatomic^ | becasue we need it for a project |
| 01:48.15 | jelly-home | ozatomic^: why not use the packaged version? |
| 01:48.18 | ozatomic^ | it build on 32bit machine fine |
| 01:48.26 | ozatomic^ | becasue it doens't come wiht somethign taht we need |
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| 01:49.07 | simonrvn | so you modify the debian/rules file |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | ozatomic^: what is that something ? |
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| 01:49.19 | jelly-home | ozatomic^: if it's just a ./configure option, you'd be better off building the debian package from debian sources |
| 01:49.49 | ozatomic^ | hmm, i don't knwo what the extra thing i need is i'm building it was other dev who is away. |
| 01:49.53 | ozatomic^ | but he said build from source |
| 01:50.13 | ozatomic^ | and this source built fine on toher machine |
| 01:50.23 | ozatomic^ | this is 64bit machine so could be somethign to do wiht that |
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| 01:51.29 | jelly-home | yeah, I know a guy who likes building from source. Unfortunately, our guy knows jack shit and wants to use openldap, freeradius and other crap from source, making the system unmanageable. |
| 01:51.46 | simonrvn | oh wonderful |
| 01:51.48 | jelly-home | just saying |
| 01:52.03 | dagbrown | I'm sure that you can get Debian to emulate a Gentoo system for you |
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| 01:53.41 | jelly-home | developers have a different mindset than sysadmins, it's rather normal to use the latest source if the stuff from distro doesn't work by default |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | dagbrown: /msg dpkg apt-build |
| 01:54.30 | simonrvn | nowadays that's exactly what i do, but i always make debs... |
| 01:54.43 | simonrvn | otherwise it's just too much hassle |
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| 01:55.03 | zu22 | is there an FLV player for Debian testing? i searched apt-cache and found nothing |
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| 01:55.26 | simonrvn | zu22: no; use wine plus wincrap's flv player |
| 01:55.32 | dagbrown | I just use mplayer |
| 01:55.42 | simonrvn | mplayer works better ;) |
| 01:55.48 | dagbrown | It plays flv's no problem. |
| 01:55.53 | simonrvn | yup |
| 01:56.02 | zu22 | simonrvn: ah heh, be nice if FLV was made an open format or something open replaced it :P |
| 01:56.03 | dagbrown | Or you could just open 'em in your browser and let the Flash plugin do it. |
| 01:56.07 | simonrvn | mencoder converts them fine too |
| 01:56.09 | zu22 | dagbrown: oh cool! |
| 01:56.21 | dagbrown | zu22: MPEG comes right to mind, but Adobe has their own ideas. |
| 01:56.27 | zu22 | i wish Flash had never become popular :( |
| 01:56.32 | zu22 | dagbrown: yeah |
| 01:56.47 | dagbrown | I personally wish that the Internet's standard video format wasn't something that made RealVideo look good. |
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| 01:56.48 | zu22 | simonrvn: good to know, thanks |
| 01:57.00 | simonrvn | dagbrown: heheheh |
| 01:57.22 | jelly-home | isn't FLV Autodesk Animator (old DOS app)? |
| 01:57.33 | zu22 | another gripe i have is Firefox, it now regularly spikes up eating like 90% of my cpu, it has a huge memory footprint and it saves all this crap in my bookmark files, i remember when Netscape browsers just had nice plain bookmarks files :( |
| 01:57.44 | dagbrown | jelly-home: No, it's Flash Video (old Internet app made new again) |
| 01:57.44 | zu22 | dagbrown: heh indeed |
| 01:57.52 | jelly-home | dagbrown: oh. |
| 01:58.00 | simonrvn | jelly-home: flash video ugh |
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| 01:58.20 | jelly-home | yet another container format I suppose |
| 01:58.25 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 01:58.43 | simonrvn | usually for avi or mov ... |
| 01:58.52 | jmichaelx | ** upgrade to lenny underway :) |
| 01:59.13 | zu22 | what do you guys use for gui web browsers? firefox is getting so bloated and out of control with every new release! i may try opera |
| 01:59.18 | jelly-home | simonrvn: a _meta_container? :-( |
| 01:59.26 | simonrvn | uh hunh |
| 01:59.32 | dagbrown | zu22: Opera! |
| 01:59.33 | jelly-home | gross |
| 01:59.40 | jmichaelx | opera rocks |
| 01:59.54 | zu22 | dagbrown: only thing that worries me is i heard Opera is commercial or something |
| 02:00.01 | Guerin | if by `rock' you mean `avril lavigne' instead of `pj harvey' |
| 02:00.05 | jmichaelx | opera is not OS |
| 02:00.14 | jelly-home | zu22: opera is binary only, 0 cost app |
| 02:00.15 | zu22 | dagbrown: "Not 100% FOSS compliant - dagbrown" :P |
| 02:00.26 | abrotman | zu22: opera is closed source |
| 02:00.26 | zu22 | jelly-home: ah |
| 02:00.29 | dagbrown | zu22: Opera is very much commercial. |
| 02:00.30 | simonrvn | a few years ago they were giving out 10th year anniversary registration codes. yes i got one ;) |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | dagbrown: it's free |
| 02:00.42 | Guerin | opera might be good if it were free software, because then people would be able to remove all the broken crap |
| 02:00.43 | abrotman | !tell zu22 about opera apt |
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| 02:00.48 | zu22 | Guerin: what do you use for your HTTP needs? :) |
| 02:00.50 | Guerin | and make sure it ain't spyware |
| 02:00.51 | abrotman | Guerin: it is free .. not Free |
| 02:00.54 | Guerin | zu22: firefox |
| 02:01.02 | Guerin | abrotman: i recognise. |
| 02:01.04 | dagbrown | abrotman: It's still commercial. They merely made enough money selling it to Nokia, Ericsson and Nintendo that they can give the desktop version away. |
| 02:01.08 | zu22 | abrotman: in principle i am very much against closed source software |
| 02:01.23 | zu22 | Guerin: yeah me too but firefox is getting so bloated (memory and cpu wise) |
| 02:01.24 | jmichaelx | opera is the best browser out there... would be much better if it were FOSS compliant |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | zu22: then you're stuck with firefox/epiphany/konqueror etc |
| 02:01.36 | zu22 | abrotman: thx |
| 02:01.37 | Guerin | zu22: not if you use a computer made this century |
| 02:01.56 | Guerin | jmichaelx: the fact that it's not free software is what prevents it from being the best |
| 02:02.08 | zu22 | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:02.10 | simonrvn | afk |
| 02:02.10 | jmichaelx | ** mostly uses machines made in the last century |
| 02:02.17 | zu22 | Guerin: P3/750MHZ, 250MB RAM |
| 02:02.24 | Guerin | \it means one bunch of eejits have 100% control over the source and prevent it from being made less crap |
| 02:02.27 | dagbrown | Most of my machines are new |
| 02:02.39 | dagbrown | (The oldest machine I use regularly is actually a Mac G4 Cube) |
| 02:02.49 | zu22 | Guerin: i now keep a console open with htop and every few minutes i see firefox hit 60-90% cpu, even with just a few tabs open |
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| 02:03.03 | Guerin | zu22: flash and java. Nothing else will cause that. |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | zu22: are you using flash? |
| 02:03.12 | Guerin | oh, perhaps some really gnarly ajax |
| 02:03.13 | dagbrown | Guerin: JavaScript will do that nicely. |
| 02:03.15 | zu22 | Guerin: and it eats up 1/3 my physical memory just by opening it by default |
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| 02:03.22 | zu22 | Guerin: ok will see about disabling those |
| 02:03.27 | jmichaelx | i use several P3s and P4s.... newest, best is a 2.5Ghz celeron |
| 02:03.36 | zu22 | abrotman: yeah Flash plugin but this happens on non-Flash pages AFAIK |
| 02:03.47 | dagbrown | Opera and Konquerer are nice enough to fire off helper apps to run plugins, so that you can shoot the plugins without killing the browser. |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | zu22: doesn't matter |
| 02:04.10 | zu22 | abrotman: ah |
| 02:04.22 | jmichaelx | i was gonna say, konq works well for most browsing... minus some video stuff |
| 02:04.22 | simonrvn | zu22: 500 MHz p3 256 MB RAM ;p |
| 02:04.37 | zu22 | dagbrown: i keep my machine KDE free :) |
| 02:04.42 | jmichaelx | simonrvn: that is a good machine :) |
| 02:04.50 | zu22 | simonrvn: amigo :) |
| 02:04.56 | dagbrown | zu22: And I keep mine GNOME free. |
| 02:05.02 | dagbrown | (So we're even!) |
| 02:05.10 | Guerin | everything else is newer |
| 02:05.12 | zu22 | dagbrown: fair enough |
| 02:05.21 | jelly-home | Guerin: you route gigabit traffic? |
| 02:05.23 | zu22 | Guerin: a Satanic router eh? |
| 02:05.24 | simonrvn | jmichaelx: still using that cube? ;) |
| 02:05.36 | abrotman | Guerin: 650 ? |
| 02:05.47 | Guerin | jelly-home: nope, I just need to run a particular wifi card in it which needs a newish PCI bus |
| 02:05.52 | Guerin | abrotman: 667 actually |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | wasn't that a celeron ? |
| 02:06.08 | Guerin | mm, dunno |
| 02:06.09 | Guerin | \it might be |
| 02:06.13 | Guerin | honestly don't care |
| 02:06.30 | Guerin | router of the BEEEAST |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | oh . .there was a 667 |
| 02:06.52 | simonrvn | jmichaelx: sorry, was meant for dagbrown |
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| 02:08.38 | dagbrown | simonrvn: Come again? |
| 02:08.47 | [gtime]silent | I'm getting errors booting linux. While in linux (when it worked / on livecd) my installation shows on /dev/sdb1 in fdisk -l, but grub cant boot (hd1,0), it can only boot (hd0,0). While booting 0,0 the boot dies after key directories cannot be mounted (root / proc / etc...) |
| 02:08.57 | reiser2 | i need to install GTK+ 2.0 development headers |
| 02:09.08 | simonrvn | nm was kidding anyway |
| 02:09.09 | reiser2 | how can i do it using Synaptic ? |
| 02:09.15 | abrotman | apt-cache search libgtk 2 |
| 02:09.18 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | apt-cache -- search libgtk 2 -dev |
| 02:09.38 | cafuego | libgtk2.0-0-dev or somesuch |
| 02:09.54 | chupie | ok, i got some errors out of xorg, R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: (DEBUG) CCE idle took i = 1025 R128(0): Idle timed out, resetting engine... |
| 02:09.57 | chupie | whats that mean |
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| 02:12.15 | giwe | test |
| 02:12.21 | dvs | !test |
| 02:12.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:12.56 | [gtime]silent | !test |
| 02:12.56 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:13.15 | simonrvn | buncha monkeys |
| 02:13.20 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 02:13.38 | jelly-home | !monkeys |
| 02:13.39 | dpkg | hmm... monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 02:14.01 | dagbrown | Which thing in your KDE settings do you have to meddle with to get it to set XMODIFIERS properly? |
| 02:14.17 | Guerin | !htfswk dagbrown |
| 02:14.17 | dpkg | dagbrown: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 02:14.37 | Guerin | dagbrown: consider asking #debian-kde |
| 02:15.10 | dagbrown | Well I have two otherwise-identically configured Debian boxes: one has XMODIFIERS set correctly, the other doesn't. Which is weird. |
| 02:15.37 | giwe | Is it possible to setup a madiwifi ap with WPA? |
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| 02:16.00 | reiser2 | is there any software to open DWG files? |
| 02:16.32 | Guerin | reiser2: sure. Rename any text file .dwg and open it in your favouriet editor. |
| 02:16.49 | Guerin | giwe: ask #wireless |
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| 02:16.55 | jelly-home | reiser2: what are they? |
| 02:17.01 | pipeline | reiser2: No. |
| 02:17.03 | giwe | Guerin: thanks. |
| 02:17.04 | reiser2 | Autocad files |
| 02:17.06 | pipeline | jelly-home: Autocad. |
| 02:17.13 | Guerin | heh |
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| 02:17.29 | reiser2 | Guerin: that is bad idea |
| 02:17.44 | Guerin | reiser2: depends what you're trying to achieve. |
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| 02:19.39 | reiser2 | only open the file |
| 02:19.47 | reiser2 | and see it |
| 02:22.15 | reiser2 | then? any idea? |
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| 02:22.23 | Guerin | reiser2: install autocad. |
| 02:22.30 | Guerin | i'm not aware of any other way |
| 02:22.42 | predder | turtle fudge? |
| 02:22.54 | jetx | caramel turtle fudge |
| 02:23.07 | robboplus | is it possible to tell w3m to use particular ip? |
| 02:23.13 | reiser2 | heheheheh |
| 02:23.16 | Guerin | what do you have to feed to a turtle to get fudge out? |
| 02:23.18 | robboplus | on multi-ip box that is |
| 02:23.58 | jelly-home | possibly there's a free CAD that can import autocad's stuff (I know not of it) |
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| 02:24.16 | abrotman | Guerin: laxative ? |
| 02:24.23 | jetx | qcad and there's a pythonh cad and some others iirc.. apt-cache search cad |
| 02:24.47 | jelly-home | robboplus: a particular ip on the destination, or at the source? |
| 02:25.18 | robboplus | jelly-home on source |
| 02:25.31 | robboplus | jelly-home just so it appears from certain ip in logs on remote host |
| 02:25.32 | simonrvn | jetx: turtle fudge? does this involved Turtles(tm)? |
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| 02:26.01 | jetx | think so |
| 02:26.06 | jelly-home | robboplus: set up a route for that particular remote host |
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| 02:26.11 | jetx | looks like it |
| 02:26.15 | jetx | tastes like it |
| 02:26.20 | simonrvn | !tell intelikey -about root |
| 02:26.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:26.31 | sfmasa | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.46 | simonrvn | different nick eh |
| 02:26.52 | robboplus | jelly hm |
| 02:27.19 | liable | sfmasa: you wanting the iwl or ipw drivers? |
| 02:27.27 | robboplus | jelly with route command you mean? i never tried such thing before, not sure how that works |
| 02:27.34 | sfmasa | liable: whichever makes my wireless card work |
| 02:27.46 | sfmasa | ipw i'd assume |
| 02:27.48 | liable | sfmasa: there are ipw modules in the repo |
| 02:27.59 | jelly-home | robboplus: if you want to do that, you'll need to learn |
| 02:28.06 | liable | sfmasa: apt-cache search ipw |
| 02:28.09 | sfmasa | liable: well i searched 'ipw' and nothing came up... |
| 02:28.13 | sfmasa | ok |
| 02:28.15 | liable | sfmasa: etch? |
| 02:28.22 | sfmasa | liable: lenny |
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| 02:28.59 | jelly-home | sfmasa: if in doubt, follow the distro-specific advice. |
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| 02:29.07 | jelly-home | !ipw3945 |
| 02:29.08 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 02:29.10 | sfmasa | ok, thx |
| 02:29.42 | sfmasa | why ty dpkg |
| 02:31.04 | simonrvn | intelikey: don't /msg me |
| 02:31.37 | jetx | don't log on as toot, intelikey |
| 02:31.42 | jetx | user |
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| 02:32.05 | biz | can someone suggest me a debian based live-cd which is not bloated with kde or gnome (eg. just plain simple openbox or such) and is rich in apps and support for networking? |
| 02:32.05 | jelly-home | jetx: well, toot is an acceptable username! |
| 02:32.28 | jelly-home | ^_^ |
| 02:32.30 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:32.30 | dpkg | [livecd] an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 02:32.37 | robboplus | jelly but did you mean just creating a route for packets destinating to port 80? |
| 02:32.42 | robboplus | or something else? |
| 02:33.05 | jelly-home | robboplus: there's no way to do that with just "route" afaik |
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| 02:33.26 | sfmasa | biz: maybe elive? it doesn't have kde or gnome, but it might not have the network stuff you're looking for. |
| 02:33.37 | robboplus | jelly you are confusing me |
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| 02:34.05 | abrotman | !Pl |
| 02:34.05 | dpkg | pl is probably perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 02:34.42 | jelly-home | robboplus: you can create routes for hosts (single ip addresses), or networks. For anything more specific you'd need policy based routing (and _that's_ complicated) |
| 02:35.18 | jelly-home | robboplus: do you have multiple ip addresses on this machine? |
| 02:35.37 | robboplus | jelly but then how on earth e.g. curl can easily use any given ip? and it doesn't look complicated at all |
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| 02:35.45 | robboplus | jelly yes |
| 02:35.49 | simonrvn | try to help someone and they treat you like crap ... i get tired of that srot of shit |
| 02:36.08 | dvs | simonrvn: go to heck! ;-) |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | sfmasa: are you serious? |
| 02:36.13 | jelly-home | robboplus: um, it can't? |
| 02:36.20 | robboplus | jelly it can |
| 02:36.39 | robboplus | i did that many times with curl, but now i need to use w3m and it has no such option |
| 02:36.39 | jelly-home | robboplus: can you provide an example command line? |
| 02:36.40 | abrotman | "Gnome and KDE are too bloated. Here, try E17!" |
| 02:36.50 | robboplus | jelly i would send you to man :) |
| 02:37.05 | jelly-home | robboplus: and I would tell you to help yourself, then |
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| 02:37.16 | robboplus | that's exactly what you are doing |
| 02:37.28 | sfmasa | abrotoman: waht?!??! |
| 02:37.38 | sfmasa | :P |
| 02:37.44 | robboplus | you expect instant examples but you don't give any yourself |
| 02:37.53 | jelly-home | robboplus: I'm asking you to show me what you're doing with curl, to see what it actually does |
| 02:38.06 | robboplus | and you confused me now, not sure how to go about setting up that route nor you explained it at all |
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| 02:38.47 | simonrvn | dvs: :) |
| 02:39.09 | robboplus | n/m i will just change ip temporarely for that machine and be done with my problem, thanks anyway |
| 02:39.53 | stoned | intelikey: hm |
| 02:39.58 | jelly-home | robboplus: ok |
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| 02:40.17 | stoned | debian is for the elitist? |
| 02:40.21 | stoned | I dont' think so :) |
| 02:40.23 | snowbird | for what |
| 02:40.24 | dvs | stoned: absolutely! |
| 02:40.44 | stoned | dvs this dude claims that debian is full of assholes who will rail on your for being a new user or asking a question |
| 02:40.50 | stoned | guess where he is from |
| 02:40.51 | stoned | ;) |
| 02:40.58 | dvs | stoned: America? |
| 02:41.02 | stoned | no |
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| 02:41.04 | stoned | ubuntu |
| 02:41.04 | jelly-home | stoned: pure hearsay. |
| 02:41.05 | jetx | intelikey is still irc'ing as root? |
| 02:41.09 | stoned | jelly-home: of course |
| 02:41.17 | stoned | jelly-home: you're telling me, I've been here close to 7 yars |
| 02:41.18 | stoned | years* |
| 02:41.31 | jetx | lies |
| 02:41.38 | dvs | more lies |
| 02:41.39 | Gnu_Raiz | its yarns in battle star terms heeh |
| 02:41.42 | dvs | damn statistics |
| 02:41.58 | stoned | hmm? |
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| 02:42.00 | jetx | ah adama |
| 02:42.02 | stoned | what lies |
| 02:42.22 | stoned | iirc i started coming around in 2001 |
| 02:42.25 | robboplus | if i was to stop using debian (which i doubt) i would go for gentoo |
| 02:42.31 | robboplus | and NEVER for ubuntu.. |
| 02:42.50 | sfmasa | thx for the help all |
| 02:43.20 | robboplus | i'm tired of ubuntu guys trying to tell everyone how good it is and how other distros suck |
| 02:43.29 | jetx | ubuntu is a pain |
| 02:43.32 | robboplus | it is |
| 02:43.41 | robboplus | i tried it once and never again |
| 02:43.49 | dagbrown | My alternate distro is Lunar. |
| 02:44.02 | dagbrown | The people in #lunar really *are* cranky about newbies |
| 02:44.05 | snowbird | ubuntu is slow live disk u update it crash suse is sopy writen no go ffedora has to many package manajours |
| 02:44.09 | robboplus | mine would be gentoo but so far i see no reason to switch and i won't probably |
| 02:44.16 | snowbird | il sit right here in my chair |
| 02:45.13 | jelly-home | dagbrown: is it a livecd? |
| 02:45.38 | stoned | its not newbies that are the problem |
| 02:45.50 | stoned | its the goddamn morons with their moronic questions |
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| 02:45.53 | dagbrown | jelly-home: No, it's a from-source distro like Gentoo, only with an installer. |
| 02:45.54 | stoned | !fable |
| 02:45.55 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 02:45.57 | stoned | read it |
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| 02:46.55 | ameyer | fedora also has the disadvantage of RPM... |
| 02:47.12 | jetx | i fail to see the shortcomings of rpm |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | jetx: you also think dselect is good |
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| 02:48.02 | ameyer | meh... "too many package managers" isn't necessarily a bad thing... |
| 02:48.24 | snowbird | i nevor had diaper but books i could read |
| 02:48.31 | dagbrown | I think I'll make a Linux distro where all packages are distributed as RubyGems. |
| 02:49.02 | ameyer | .deb has apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, adept, and probably several I'm not familiar with... |
| 02:49.12 | jetx | dselect is good.. it resolves dependencies better than apt-get -f install or aptitude. i've proven it, i've proven it in here. iirc Guerin was my witness, but when i mentioned it later, he seemed to not remember. |
| 02:49.20 | jetx | it's ui sucks |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | ameyer: those are front ends |
| 02:49.25 | snowbird | ameyer is to amny when each say its installed and non are and system lockes up solid u reboot and data is gone |
| 02:49.33 | jetx | now tell me what else is wrong with it |
| 02:49.47 | dondelelcaro | it actually doesn't resolve dependencies better than aptitude |
| 02:49.50 | nosredna_ekim | haha... the fable.... I hope we can take care of our own in #kubuntu |
| 02:49.55 | dondelelcaro | but there's nothing wrong with using it |
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| 02:50.29 | ameyer | I've had apt get broken to the point where manual intervention was required... |
| 02:50.32 | jetx | dondelelcaro: i've seen it succede where the others fail. that means better to me. of course, i haven't tested it lately. |
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| 02:51.01 | R4M0N | hey ppl |
| 02:51.08 | ameyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.12 | snowbird | any baby that can change own diaper and read book is smart or dumb young or handicaped |
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| 02:51.36 | jetx | snowbird is our resident zen expert |
| 02:51.38 | nosredna_ekim | ameyer: don't mention the "u" word! |
| 02:51.41 | jetx | not the package |
| 02:51.57 | dondelelcaro | jetx: I personally haven't seen a case recently where aptitude has failed. I have seen it have the lowest scoring solution not being the one you want, but that's not unusual. |
| 02:51.58 | snowbird | nope dummer than sh here |
| 02:52.10 | ameyer | what, I admit I use both "the u word" and debian... |
| 02:52.20 | R4M0N | guys everybody has to watch SUPERBAD!!!! that movie owns!!!!!!! |
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| 02:52.31 | nosredna_ekim | :) just kidding.. :P |
| 02:52.37 | snowbird | i tried the u word and i let it bee |
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| 02:52.57 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: broken packages should not be capable of breaking apt-get. What can happen is that broken packages which do not configure need to be fixed, but that's about it. [Those sorts of things are just bugs in the packages, and not a terribly big deal.] |
| 02:53.24 | dagbrown | How about a package so broken that it overwrites the "apt-get" binary? |
| 02:53.37 | ameyer | dondelelcaro: well, I had a package that refused to configure that made apt refuse to upgrade anything |
| 02:54.20 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: that's actually dpkg, not apt, and it'll still upgrade things. |
| 02:54.50 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: that actually won't happen (unless you're doing it in a postinst script) because dpkg doesn't allow packages to overwrite files in other packages. |
| 02:54.55 | jetx | i hate change |
| 02:55.11 | jetx | i like better though |
| 02:55.22 | ameyer | it tried (and failed) to configure every time I used apt-get before it actually did anything, and apt-get decided to refuse to upgrade anything |
| 02:55.45 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: it'll continue to fail until you fix the postinst script (or whatever was failing). But it has nothing to do with apt-get. |
| 02:56.31 | dondelelcaro | (and generally speaking, you can still perform upgrades in that state; dpkg will just continue to fail when it tries to configure the failing package) |
| 02:56.41 | ameyer | well, yeah, it does have someething to do with apt-get when apt-get refuses to try to upgrade anything |
| 02:56.52 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: apt-get tries the entire time. |
| 02:57.06 | ameyer | well, it wasn't trying |
| 02:57.11 | dondelelcaro | sure it does |
| 02:57.24 | ameyer | well, it wasn't trying anything else |
| 02:57.29 | dondelelcaro | the only time it doesn't it when it complains that dpkg hasn't completed a run and asks you to run dpkg --configure -a. |
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| 02:58.41 | dagbrown | I take "dpkg won't allow packages to overwrite files in other packages" as a challenge to write an evil package that does just that. |
| 02:58.57 | jmichaelx | wow. upgrade to lenny complete and successful/ no noticeable bumps whatsoever |
| 02:59.11 | dagbrown | jmichaelx: Say that after you reboot. |
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| 02:59.22 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: you can try it if you want; the only way to get it to work (outside of using a maintainer script) is to use --force-overwrite. |
| 02:59.23 | ameyer | in order to get apt-get to attempt to do anything useful I had to remove (with dpkg) the beryl package that fubar'd the python package that caused apt-get to refuse to do anything useful |
| 02:59.26 | snowbird | well when i distup poof x goes no gui |
| 02:59.37 | snowbird | i anm scared about upgrade |
| 03:00.39 | jmichaelx | dagbrown: rebooted about 10 minutes ago...if there are issues, i have not yet had a chance to see tham |
| 03:00.43 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: That kinda was the approach I was thinking of taking. |
| 03:00.54 | dagbrown | jmichaelx: It's very important not to jinx your upgrade! |
| 03:00.55 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: inside a maintainer's script it's trivial. |
| 03:01.11 | dagbrown | Hrm, I wonder if it could be made impossible |
| 03:01.23 | Guerin | nothing in free software can be made impossible |
| 03:01.23 | dondelelcaro | not sanely |
| 03:01.28 | jmichaelx | dagbrown: your comment will be taken under advisement :) |
| 03:02.30 | dagbrown | I'm thinking, have a list of files that the maintainer script is allowed to edit, have the maintainer script run as "install" or something, and have dpkg change the permissions on only the files it's allowed to edit to allow it to edit them. |
| 03:03.00 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: the maintainer script is an executable. It runs as root. It can therefore do pretty much anything. |
| 03:03.12 | dagbrown | dondelelcaro: Right. So I'm thinking, make it not run as root. |
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| 03:03.24 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:03.28 | dondelelcaro | good luck with that, then. |
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| 03:03.32 | Guerin | it doesn't run as root as an option |
| 03:03.35 | Guerin | it *has* to |
| 03:03.44 | dagbrown | Yeah, always? In every case? |
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| 03:04.04 | dondelelcaro | the number of cases where it doesn't have to is pretty dang small. |
| 03:04.22 | dagbrown | So what do maintainer scripts do that needs root privileges? |
| 03:04.44 | dondelelcaro | write to configuration files, create users, stop and start daemons, etc. |
| 03:05.16 | dondelelcaro | the real question is, what do that do that doesn't? And the answer is not much. |
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| 03:05.45 | dagbrown | Is there anything *besides* write to config files, create users, start and stop daemons? |
| 03:06.01 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: depends on the package |
| 03:06.03 | dagbrown | Because it strikes me that dpkg could provide some kind of proxy for those thing. |
| 03:06.03 | Guerin | it doesn't read the maintainer's guide for you, that's for sure |
| 03:06.08 | Guerin | you have to do that bit yourself |
| 03:06.21 | Guerin | preferably BEFORE trying to fuck with such things |
| 03:06.25 | jelly-home | dagbrown: upgrade procedures can do all sorts of wacky stuff |
| 03:06.40 | dagbrown | jelly-home: Sure, but it's a fairly narrowly-designed range of wacky stuff. |
| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | dagbrown: not really; they basically need to be able to do anything that root can do. |
| 03:07.09 | dondelelcaro | from deleting files to creating files to executing other programs. |
| 03:07.22 | dagbrown | Ooh yeah, only root can execute programs, I forgot about that |
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| 03:07.43 | Guerin | if only someone would execute dagbrown |
| 03:08.06 | jelly-home | dagbrown: take a look at postgres if you want an example of just how complicated things can get |
| 03:08.17 | dondelelcaro | if you want to be sarcastic, the least you could do is actually *read* some of the maintainer scripts. |
| 03:08.19 | dagbrown | jelly-home: Oddly enough, postgres mostly runs as...postgres! |
| 03:08.34 | dondelelcaro | how do you expect it to become postgres? |
| 03:08.53 | dagbrown | By asking dpkg nicely, duh |
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| 03:09.13 | dondelelcaro | well, feel free to write a patch that supports all of the extant maintainer scripts and make patches for all of them |
| 03:09.24 | dagbrown | Just makin' suggestions here |
| 03:09.48 | jelly-home | dagbrown: what is the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 03:09.58 | dagbrown | jelly-home: Potentially evil packages. |
| 03:10.15 | dondelelcaro | you seem to be discounting the arguments of those of us who are intimately familiar with maintainer scripts and how they work... |
| 03:10.22 | jelly-home | dagbrown: test on devel machines. |
| 03:10.35 | Guerin | dagbrown: the problem is already solved: don't trust any packages you don't trust. |
| 03:10.50 | jelly-home | dagbrown: use only signed debian packages. |
| 03:10.55 | dagbrown | Guerin: Tell that to an Ubuntu user sometime. |
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| 03:11.07 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why we're in #debian... |
| 03:11.09 | dagbrown | jelly-home: What, a guarantees trustworthiness? |
| 03:11.31 | Guerin | dagbrown: Why? There's a reason I use debian, which includes more supported software than any other OS ever. |
| 03:11.42 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 03:11.42 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 03:11.50 | Guerin | BIIIG |
| 03:11.52 | jelly-home | dagbrown: you ARE implicitly trusting Debian the moment you install it, so there's no change |
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| 03:12.19 | dagbrown | I think I see why other people describe the Debian folks as "dogmatic". |
| 03:12.32 | Guerin | dagbrown: we're not dogmatic, we're fucking *right* |
| 03:12.45 | jelly-home | Guerin: you're just fucking ;-) |
| 03:12.47 | dagbrown | That quote shall be saved for later |
| 03:12.53 | dagbrown | Because BAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:13.46 | dagbrown | I do have a nice big helping of Kontext-Away[TM] |
| 03:14.01 | m0dY | anyone with experience with RAID ?! i wonder if i have hdd's with already data on them, if i want to turn them all into a RAID 0 array, do i have to dd them all and start from scratch? |
| 03:14.40 | dagbrown | m0dY: In my experience...unfortunately yes. |
| 03:14.52 | m0dY | :( |
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| 03:15.32 | jelly-home | dagbrown: there's no easy solution to installing crap software. Ultimately, you can restore from backups, or revert the previous snapshot. |
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| 03:17.32 | NiLon | When I hit apt-get upgrade It says that there's like 222 packets that it left without upgrade, reason for that? |
| 03:17.50 | Guerin | NiLon: /msg dpkg kepy back |
| 03:17.56 | Guerin | kept back, too |
| 03:18.18 | [gtime]silent | !setinfo http://youtube.com/watch?v=iO92miUwCfo |
| 03:18.30 | Guerin | [gtime]silent: ? |
| 03:18.41 | Guerin | fail |
| 03:18.57 | dondelelcaro | !kept back |
| 03:18.57 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
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| 03:19.25 | NiLon | hmm, so it's going to remove my current kernel :) |
| 03:19.59 | jelly-home | NiLon: don't do stupid things :-) |
| 03:19.59 | Guerin | NiLon: you need to install another kernel before you reboot then |
| 03:20.17 | jelly-home | NiLon: are you trying to upgrade from a previous debian release? |
| 03:20.35 | NiLon | no, I was just curious why it left 222 packets without upgrade :) |
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| 03:20.47 | jelly-home | NiLon: which release are you using? |
| 03:20.48 | NiLon | but it was going to remove kernel so I think that's why |
| 03:20.49 | dondelelcaro | NiLon: see above. |
| 03:20.59 | NiLon | (I'm just explaining) |
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| 03:21.43 | NiLon | but anyway, I don't wanna upgrade my kernel :) |
| 03:22.41 | jetx | you have to explicitly install a greater version of the kernel |
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| 03:23.30 | NiLon | probally yes, but I don't wanna upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 03:24.18 | jetx | yes you do |
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| 03:24.43 | jelly-home | NiLon: you _are_ upgrading from an older release, then! |
| 03:25.22 | NiLon | this is old computer and I won't upgrade it :) |
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| 03:26.10 | jelly-home | NiLon: then change your sources.list to use "sarge" or "oldstable" instead of "stable". you might have upgraded the better part already. |
| 03:26.26 | dagbrown | Generally you want to refer to a release by its codename rather than its release name |
| 03:26.42 | dagbrown | If you say "sarge", then it'll be the same forever. If you say "stable" then you're liable to be surprised. |
| 03:27.36 | NiLon | hmm, good to know |
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| 03:28.20 | NiLon | same with security? |
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| 03:28.48 | jelly-home | yes |
| 03:28.48 | jetx | yes |
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| 03:29.18 | jelly-home | someone is rooting for failure |
| 03:30.00 | jelly-home | lolzx: don't irc as root. |
| 03:30.11 | ameyer | must be a windows user... |
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| 03:30.16 | jetx | !br |
| 03:30.16 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:30.31 | NiLon | looks better with that upgrade list now :) |
| 03:30.42 | NiLon | well thanks again :) |
| 03:30.44 | ameyer | windows user: noun: someone who likes being rootable through any software bug... |
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| 03:33.19 | xjkx | I'd like good US debian servers to sources.list :> |
| 03:33.36 | jetx | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:35.01 | xjkx | jetx: how do i let it ? deb ftp.us.debian.org main ? |
| 03:36.38 | Guerin | xjkx: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 03:40.18 | runev | If I'm looking for some sort of graphical login manager to startup before fluxbox, so that i won't have to do startx every time i login to console - what should i look for? Not really interested in fetching the entire kde/gnome package, but rather a lightweight replacement, which still looks cool :) |
| 03:40.33 | jetx | i use gdm anyway |
| 03:40.40 | jetx | but there are others |
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| 03:41.10 | jetx | there are ways to have it 'just start' also |
| 03:41.24 | jetx | not sure how |
| 03:41.41 | runev | i want the possibility to choose the user you login to x with though |
| 03:41.51 | KhanFused | Can anyone help me with compiling kernel modules (as in just the modules, not the whole thing)? I'm trying to build in support for a laptop's onboard SD card reader - and so far I've only done one kernel compile (full kernel) that actually worked--as usual, I'm not sure why my last one worked, and the previous ones didn't (followed the same instructions each time). Still a little new to compiling. I'm currently running et |
| 03:41.52 | jetx | apt-get install somedm |
| 03:42.02 | runev | but gdm seems a bit heavy |
| 03:42.05 | jetx | i personally use gdm even though i don't use gnome |
| 03:42.10 | jetx | ok well there's xdm |
| 03:42.17 | jetx | ldm i think |
| 03:42.22 | jetx | couple others |
| 03:42.31 | xjkx | I selected deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ debian/dists/Debian3.1r6/main/binary-i386/ and worked the apt-get update, but apt-get install tightvncserver said 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] :< |
| 03:42.32 | jetx | wdm? |
| 03:42.33 | runev | ah, thanks, i'll look at all of the above :) |
| 03:42.58 | jetx | uh xjkx no |
| 03:43.30 | jetx | #deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:43.48 | jetx | the contrib non-free are optional.. so is the # |
| 03:43.53 | jetx | err make that us not fr |
| 03:44.36 | simonrvn | hehe at the " so is the #" (being optional) |
| 03:45.46 | xjkx | Worked :D thanks |
| 03:46.57 | snowbird | simonrvn, d i show u me error |
| 03:47.21 | Guerin | ... |
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| 03:53.06 | sarixe | how do i get nautilus to stop opening up a new window for every folder? |
| 03:53.13 | cast | man nautilus |
| 03:53.16 | cast | its an option |
| 03:53.20 | sarixe | k |
| 03:53.22 | sarixe | thanks |
| 03:53.28 | cast | --browser "? |
| 03:53.43 | sarixe | well, i'd like it to be by default, too |
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| 03:54.15 | nvz | sarixe: goto edit > prefrencces > behavior |
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| 03:54.26 | sarixe | thanks |
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| 04:02.37 | loupgaroublond | is there a way to have update-grub operate on more than one menu.lst file (one for normal, one for hibernate) |
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| 04:03.26 | karsten | sarixe: or just junk it for a real browser. That's just one of many, many Gnome annoyances in my book. Yes, it's fixable. The "I'm going to take over your desktop no matter what" bug (really annoying if you're not running Gnome) is another. Yes, fixable with a commandline switch, but really should be autodetected. |
| 04:03.49 | sarixe | karsten : i changed the preference, thanks |
| 04:04.00 | sarixe | but what other browser would you suggest? |
| 04:04.12 | cast | rox, thunar for file managers are good |
| 04:04.18 | cast | thunar is just like naut |
| 04:04.29 | jetx | !info xfe |
| 04:04.34 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.00-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2602 kB, Installed size: 11448 kB |
| 04:04.41 | wert613_ | i like thunar |
| 04:04.59 | wert613_ | nautilus is annoying, especcially since i am using fluxbox |
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| 04:05.11 | Guerin | if thunar is just like nautilus, what about it is good? |
| 04:05.13 | sarixe | well i'm just in default gnome |
| 04:05.22 | sarixe | and nautilus is fine |
| 04:05.34 | cast | Guerin: well, it doesn't take over the desktop and its faster :) |
| 04:05.35 | sarixe | i don't see why anyone would _dis_like it |
| 04:05.38 | wert613_ | thunar is faster, it doesnt take over your desktop |
| 04:05.45 | cast | yeah, what wert613_ said |
| 04:05.46 | wert613_ | lol |
| 04:05.48 | wert613_ | XD |
| 04:05.51 | Guerin | sarixe: it's easy to like something when it's all you know |
| 04:05.59 | sarixe | wert613_ : what do you mean "take over"? |
| 04:06.19 | wert613_ | well in any other window maager it will try to use your root window to put its icons on |
| 04:06.47 | jetx | yeah i don't like that feature |
| 04:06.49 | cast | which is really a fright if my ~/Desktop is full of porno and suddenly i have a million little naked thumbnails |
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| 04:07.19 | wert613_ | XD |
| 04:07.25 | cast | that happened to my friend once, when people were around^ |
| 04:07.31 | zophy[] | how do i extract files from a deb package without using dpkg etc... ? |
| 04:07.32 | sarixe | cast : then... don't put porn on your desktop? |
| 04:07.37 | jetx | you don't have a pron subdirectory? omg |
| 04:07.41 | Guerin | sarixe: it seems simple, doesn't it. |
| 04:07.51 | jetx | i thought you had that dedicated hd |
| 04:07.53 | wert613_ | its bothersome because in fluxbox and the like the right click menu is disabled when that happens |
| 04:07.54 | Guerin | the logic, it hurts! |
| 04:08.01 | sarixe | i mean, i usually run under the assumption that ~/Desktop _is_ the desktop, so i don't put anything risky on there. |
| 04:08.11 | jotham | i want to test a failscenario, is there a way i can connect/attach myself to a process and either suspend it or close a specific tcp socket it is servicing? (not all of them) |
| 04:08.24 | cast | sarixe: a desktop with icons you can put on it isn't a e16 thing, ~/Desktop doesn't mean anything to e. ff liked to default to saving there so i left it |
| 04:08.26 | jotham | like lsof but closeof :) |
| 04:08.28 | simonrvn | "logic hurtz mi brainz" |
| 04:08.31 | Guerin | wert613_: presuming interaction with other environments is a HUGE gnome-no-no |
| 04:08.37 | wert613_ | yeh |
| 04:08.38 | sarixe | wert613_ : i'm using gnome, not flux, so i wouldn't need a lack of a desktop. |
| 04:08.52 | sarixe | cast : i'm in GNOME |
| 04:09.00 | wert613_ | i usually use KDE because it using qt and its not gnome |
| 04:09.05 | wert613_ | my favourite is flux though |
| 04:09.06 | sarixe | i mean, for crying out loud, nautilus is perfect for gnome, right? |
| 04:09.10 | wert613_ | well |
| 04:09.15 | wert613_ | its a bit slow but it works |
| 04:09.21 | sarixe | i've never had a problem with it |
| 04:09.31 | wert613_ | if you dont mind a bit of memory usage its great |
| 04:09.39 | sarixe | well, i guess i don't |
| 04:09.49 | cast | sarixe: well you were telling me not to put porn in ~/Desktop, and i pointed out that Desktop isn't my desktop at all...its just a folder and a handy shortcut in the gtk[?] file dialogs |
| 04:09.51 | sarixe | i'll check out thunar |
| 04:10.12 | sarixe | cast: that's you. i have ~/Desktop as the desktop. |
| 04:10.16 | wert613_ | also xfe, a bit faster but less eyecandy |
| 04:10.22 | sarixe | mm |
| 04:10.26 | Guerin | sarixe: it might be perfect if it didn't rely on a broken fisher-price my first computer totally non-abstract touchy-feely spatial organisational metaphor which perfectly recreates the clutter and randomness of the average cube workers' desk |
| 04:10.28 | simonrvn | wow, leafnode's rather neat |
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| 04:10.35 | cast | sarixe: but you were telling *me* not to put porn in ~/Desktop....ahh nevermind. |
| 04:10.42 | Guerin | but then again, it's not perfect even when you turn that broken shit off |
| 04:11.06 | sarixe | cast : i wasn't... i was just saying you shouldn't *if* you have ~/Desktop as desktop. |
| 04:11.24 | cast | '133740] < sarixe> cast : then... don't put porn on your desktop?' |
| 04:11.30 | sarixe | right |
| 04:11.36 | cast | maybe we have communication issues :\ we should get married! |
| 04:11.42 | sarixe | :P |
| 04:11.44 | wert613_ | hahaha |
| 04:11.49 | Guerin | !aww |
| 04:11.49 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 04:11.59 | Gnu_Raiz | I prounce you man and man. |
| 04:12.03 | sarixe | whee |
| 04:12.08 | Gnu_Raiz | you may kiss the man. |
| 04:12.11 | sarixe | which? |
| 04:12.15 | Guerin | Gnu_Raiz: there's no gender on the internet |
| 04:12.23 | Guerin | it's all just nick and nick |
| 04:12.48 | simonrvn | or bob and bob |
| 04:12.54 | sarixe | haha |
| 04:13.01 | sarixe | i like simonrvn's analogy |
| 04:13.03 | Gnu_Raiz | sure their is if your language supports gender like spanish. |
| 04:13.12 | simonrvn | 'there' |
| 04:13.16 | Guerin | none of you lot have any way of proving I'm not Jenna Jameson, after all |
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| 04:13.25 | simonrvn | mine does, but not male/female ;p |
| 04:13.33 | sarixe | O.o |
| 04:13.43 | sarixe | MtF and FtM? |
| 04:13.53 | simonrvn | animate, inanimate |
| 04:13.59 | wert613_ | what about "george samantha bob and christy"? |
| 04:14.02 | sarixe | as genders? |
| 04:14.06 | simonrvn | yes |
| 04:14.11 | sarixe | heh |
| 04:14.15 | Gnu_Raiz | so if I se donde, or nina, in a line i can likely assume someones gender. |
| 04:14.18 | Guerin | sarixe: gender, in linguistic terms, is just a case marker |
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| 04:14.26 | sarixe | true |
| 04:14.46 | sarixe | xfe's website is down |
| 04:14.52 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 04:14.59 | jetx | bob & carol & ted & alice |
| 04:15.03 | wert613_ | lol |
| 04:15.05 | wert613_ | sam |
| 04:15.06 | jetx | apt-get install xfe |
| 04:15.08 | wert613_ | just sam |
| 04:15.16 | sarixe | jetx : i wanna check it out before i get it |
| 04:15.24 | wert613_ | its tiny anyhow |
| 04:15.30 | wert613_ | you can remove it if you dont like it |
| 04:15.34 | sarixe | true |
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| 04:15.48 | Guerin | jetx: and don't forget, Bruce Schneier knows bob and carol's shared secret |
| 04:15.56 | Gnu_Raiz | besides irc is supposed to be built on trust, |
| 04:16.08 | wert613_ | hahahah |
| 04:16.09 | simonrvn | fuck, i should put the leafnode on this box, more room in /var |
| 04:16.09 | wert613_ | trust |
| 04:16.12 | Guerin | Gnu_Raiz: no. GPOG is built on trust. IRC is built on beer. |
| 04:16.17 | Guerin | GPG, not GPOG |
| 04:16.27 | simonrvn | irc is built on drunk finnish students ;p |
| 04:16.28 | Gnu_Raiz | now if your a lady, I can understand not using a ladys name just for protection. |
| 04:16.28 | stoned | simonrvn: i'm about to some some leaves somewhere |
| 04:16.28 | sarixe | what about alice? |
| 04:16.28 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:16.35 | wert613_ | british patroleum? |
| 04:16.39 | cast | lol @ protection |
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| 04:17.03 | Guerin | Gnu_Raiz: you have no idea how many people think I'm french |
| 04:17.09 | Guerin | damn frenchies and their names |
| 04:17.19 | stoned | hey man |
| 04:17.27 | sarixe | xfe is ugly |
| 04:17.28 | stoned | you won't believe how many people think I'm constantly stoned |
| 04:17.30 | simonrvn | french fries? |
| 04:17.35 | cast | what city are you in Guerin? |
| 04:17.37 | wert613_ | lol ugly but fast and functional |
| 04:17.37 | stoned | I mean really |
| 04:17.37 | liable | gtk is ugly, yes |
| 04:17.39 | simonrvn | you aren't? |
| 04:17.44 | stoned | not all the time |
| 04:17.44 | Guerin | stoned: c'est incroyable! |
| 04:17.46 | simonrvn | :P |
| 04:17.49 | sarixe | liable : it's not even using the theme |
| 04:17.53 | Gnu_Raiz | we all know your from the southern hemisphere. |
| 04:17.54 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 04:18.02 | stoned | he is from NZ |
| 04:18.07 | stoned | and apparantly doesn't like cricket |
| 04:18.07 | cast | yes, i know ;) |
| 04:18.12 | stoned | loser |
| 04:18.13 | Guerin | Gnu_Raiz: no, you only know the machine I'm using is *in* the southern hemisphere |
| 04:18.13 | stoned | ;) |
| 04:18.18 | simonrvn | who does? :P |
| 04:18.23 | stoned | I do |
| 04:18.23 | GuHhH | how do i know if clamav scanned a file/mail attach? |
| 04:18.29 | stoned | Cricket is awesome |
| 04:18.48 | Guerin | stoned: hey, I do. Just not as much as rugby or football |
| 04:18.56 | stoned | bah |
| 04:18.57 | simonrvn | stoned: i'm just pulling yourleg =) |
| 04:18.59 | Gnu_Raiz | well ok with tor who really knows. |
| 04:19.01 | sarixe | thunar IS nautilus... |
| 04:19.03 | stoned | men grabbing each other aint a sport |
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| 04:19.11 | stoned | its called gay porn |
| 04:19.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:19.19 | sarixe | so... it's nautilus with which i'll stay |
| 04:19.20 | Guerin | stoned: depends on the camerawork |
| 04:19.23 | stoned | lol |
| 04:19.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:19.28 | stoned | true true |
| 04:19.31 | GuHhH | how do i know if clamav scanned a file/mail attach? |
| 04:19.33 | wert613_ | thiunar isnt nautiluds |
| 04:19.37 | GuHhH | sorry |
| 04:19.38 | wert613_ | looks alot loike it now |
| 04:19.43 | Gokee2 | If you added yourself to another group what command refreshes the list of groups you are in without loging out and back in? |
| 04:19.46 | wert613_ | used to be lot less advanced |
| 04:19.46 | stoned | I love kde! |
| 04:19.49 | Gnu_Raiz | lets face it were all transplants. |
| 04:19.55 | simonrvn | Gokee2: no such thing |
| 04:19.56 | Guerin | Gokee2: newgrp |
| 04:20.00 | stoned | Qt much > Gtk2 |
| 04:20.02 | wert613_ | its the default XFCE4 filebrowser |
| 04:20.07 | Guerin | Gokee2: run it as user - it may not work for all groups |
| 04:20.12 | simonrvn | Gokee2: only tmp |
| 04:20.13 | stoned | I thought the default was xffm |
| 04:20.14 | stoned | ? |
| 04:20.23 | simonrvn | Gokee2: er, meant for Guerin |
| 04:20.25 | wert613_ | not lately |
| 04:20.28 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:20.30 | wert613_ | QT > GTK@ |
| 04:20.31 | sarixe | wert613_ : i meant, it's similar enough that i might as well just use nautilus |
| 04:20.33 | wert613_ | QT > GTK2 |
| 04:20.34 | stoned | thunar has fully replaced it? |
| 04:20.40 | wert613_ | i believe so |
| 04:20.44 | simonrvn | they use thunar now |
| 04:20.48 | stoned | eh |
| 04:20.51 | stoned | I dont realy care |
| 04:20.53 | stoned | I use konqueror |
| 04:20.57 | Guerin | i must say, thunar is another one of those fucking stupid app names |
| 04:20.59 | wert613_ | sarixe: if nautilus works for you you should use it |
| 04:20.59 | stoned | muahah |
| 04:21.03 | wert613_ | =D |
| 04:21.04 | sarixe | yep |
| 04:21.10 | Guerin | it sounds like a character from a eejitquest or something |
| 04:21.11 | stoned | thunar man its cool |
| 04:21.20 | simonrvn | thunar is a dumb name, but if you're into that sort of app it's ok |
| 04:21.23 | stoned | its a sci fi name |
| 04:21.24 | wert613_ | but now you know there are alternitaives |
| 04:21.28 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Whats the passoword it is asking for? I tried both the root pass and the user pass and it still did not work |
| 04:21.39 | simonrvn | hit enter |
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| 04:21.53 | simonrvn | Gokee2: asking for group passwd |
| 04:21.58 | Guerin | Gokee2: group] |
| 04:22.02 | Guerin | yeah, heh |
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| 04:22.03 | simonrvn | most groups don't have one ;) |
| 04:22.06 | Guerin | which likely doesn't have one |
| 04:22.14 | Guerin | stoned: get out of my BRAAAAINS |
| 04:22.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:22.20 | Guerin | simonrvn: you too |
| 04:22.23 | Gokee2 | Ah I see thanks |
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| 04:22.27 | simonrvn | GMAFTA |
| 04:22.30 | Gokee2 | That command worked good :) |
| 04:22.59 | sarixe | you know, i'm glad i switched to debian from ubuntu |
| 04:22.59 | sarixe | it works better, and it has a better IRC channel. |
| 04:23.00 | wert613_ | im using both =D |
| 04:23.01 | stoned | rm /etc/brain0 - tabula rasa |
| 04:23.07 | Guerin | sarixe: we're allowed to swear in here |
| 04:23.08 | simonrvn | i'm glad i switched from debian to debian |
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| 04:23.16 | Guerin | and only about two of the ops get arsey about it |
| 04:23.19 | stoned | but /dev/brain0 still remains |
| 04:23.33 | stoned | one day science will go so far, we could say |
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| 04:23.43 | BullWeivelz | i think im setting this up wrong.... DNS took a dive earlier and wouldnt let anyone resolve at all. |
| 04:23.44 | stoned | man, i'm going to go compile a brain today |
| 04:23.48 | `ns` | since my latest apt-get update/upgrade aplay has been starting seemingly randomly ... and playing junk noise ... anyone else with similar ? |
| 04:23.51 | sarixe | stoned : rm /dev/brain0 |
| 04:23.52 | sarixe | lol |
| 04:23.55 | wert613_ | hahahah compile a brain =D |
| 04:23.55 | stoned | cast: dude fuck ubuntu |
| 04:23.58 | sarixe | you typed /etc/brain0 |
| 04:23.58 | BullWeivelz | can someone check my domain and tell me if its working?? www.ruralok.com i think im setting this up wrong.... DNS took a dive earlier and wouldnt let anyone resolve at all. |
| 04:24.06 | Gnu_Raiz | my gf had tabula as an aol account back in the day, she kind of wishes she kept aol. |
| 04:24.12 | cast | Host www.ruralok.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 04:24.13 | stoned | sarixe: yes, do you know not what tabula rasa is? |
| 04:24.14 | sarixe | BullWeivelz not working |
| 04:24.16 | Guerin | sarixe: you just removed the brain config file! |
| 04:24.19 | sarixe | stoned : no |
| 04:24.21 | simonrvn | BullWeivelz: *bzzt* |
| 04:24.24 | Guerin | or stoned did |
| 04:24.28 | sarixe | Guerin : it was stoned |
| 04:24.29 | sarixe | yeah |
| 04:24.50 | Guerin | he removed his years ago, from what I gather |
| 04:24.58 | sarixe | lol |
| 04:25.01 | stoned | sarixe: if you delete /dev/brain- you delete the brain, without which you die. If you delete its configuration file, /etc/brain0, you essentially start with a blank slate. |
| 04:25.09 | BullWeivelz | anyone know of a good how to for DNS?? |
| 04:25.10 | stoned | sarixe: go lookup Tabula Rasa |
| 04:25.13 | simonrvn | it doesn't have a conf, it's all built-in; it re-wires depending on usage and patterns |
| 04:25.18 | Guerin | stoned: so there is method to your madness after all |
| 04:25.22 | stoned | indeed |
| 04:25.25 | sarixe | stoned : right |
| 04:25.35 | stoned | umm |
| 04:25.37 | simonrvn | it generates code for itself |
| 04:25.42 | stoned | not pottery as in making things |
| 04:25.44 | sarixe | right |
| 04:25.44 | wert613_ | pottery lol |
| 04:25.46 | sarixe | clean slate |
| 04:25.48 | stoned | i'd say doobage |
| 04:25.50 | simonrvn | stoned: yo started eating clay now? :P |
| 04:25.52 | stoned | herbery |
| 04:25.57 | stoned | pottage? |
| 04:26.03 | sarixe | pottery |
| 04:26.08 | simonrvn | greenage |
| 04:26.16 | sarixe | green acres |
| 04:26.19 | stoned | doobery |
| 04:26.27 | wert613_ | hahahahah green acres! |
| 04:26.39 | simonrvn | green herbiage acres |
| 04:26.50 | stoned | tokery, tokage |
| 04:26.51 | simonrvn | green herbiage hectares |
| 04:26.54 | stoned | lol |
| 04:27.05 | simonrvn | gotta include the hemp |
| 04:27.14 | kingsley | Why would the spread sheet function "VLOOKUP" work in gnumeric but return "#NAME?" in oocalc? |
| 04:27.19 | Guerin | this is like watching a bunch of 11 year-olds say "tits! hurh hurh hurh!" |
| 04:27.26 | wert613_ | orange diamonds stole my tuna eating bubble gum shaped camel armhair that i kept in alfalfa sprout cartons last week, made me cry |
| 04:27.34 | stoned | Guerin: yeh man, its entertaining for a minute or two |
| 04:27.42 | stoned | don't be a dick about it |
| 04:27.46 | sarixe | alright, question. in gnome's volume panel applet, how do i change which channel is changed by the slider that pops up? |
| 04:27.52 | sarixe | oh |
| 04:27.53 | sarixe | nevermind |
| 04:27.54 | sarixe | found it |
| 04:27.56 | simonrvn | right click it |
| 04:28.20 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:28.31 | stoned | man I like kde a lot because of stuff |
| 04:28.46 | cast | s/kde/* |
| 04:28.51 | wert613_ | www.kovaya.com/jon/projects |
| 04:29.03 | Gnu_Raiz | now your just a c++ whore. |
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| 04:29.25 | simonrvn | stoned: finish sentence maybe? ;) |
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| 04:29.36 | stoned | simonrvn: huh? |
| 04:29.43 | stoned | no that was it |
| 04:29.53 | simonrvn | ok, so me no grok it |
| 04:29.59 | stoned | I like kde becasue of, you know, stuff, 'n stuff. |
| 04:30.11 | simonrvn | ooh that kind of stuff |
| 04:30.14 | quad3d | ? |
| 04:30.18 | stoned | indeed |
| 04:30.28 | wert613_ | i like kde |
| 04:30.34 | Penix | I hate stuff |
| 04:30.43 | stoned | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8896213084482448693 |
| 04:30.47 | stoned | check this |
| 04:30.48 | Penix | I like things better |
| 04:30.50 | simonrvn | i'm usually in openbox + xfce4-panel, but i'm kde now |
| 04:30.53 | stoned | George Carlin - Stuff |
| 04:30.55 | stoned | this is hilarious |
| 04:31.04 | simonrvn | Penix: well that's because you're the Penix |
| 04:31.13 | wert613_ | heres a screenie of a setup i just www.kovaya.com/jon/projects/screenshots/Screenshotmackde.png |
| 04:31.24 | stoned | this is when he was young, and talked about funny stuff. Now he is old and bitter and talks about government and politics |
| 04:31.37 | robboplus | how do you re-route traffic via certain ip (for specific port only) |
| 04:31.40 | Loof | I'm having a strange issue... vim is locking up on load sometimes. |
| 04:31.41 | simonrvn | i'm young and bitter |
| 04:31.44 | robboplus | is this hard to do? |
| 04:32.00 | simonrvn | iptables |
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| 04:32.10 | robboplus | hm |
| 04:32.11 | stoned | google for iptables tutorials |
| 04:32.22 | stoned | and read a bit about how routing works |
| 04:32.24 | robboplus | oh there surely are many - let me dig p something |
| 04:32.26 | Loof | It seems to only happen under one user... I removed the .viminfo and .vimrc |
| 04:32.27 | stoned | if you dont' know that is |
| 04:32.33 | Loof | Not quite sure what else could be causing it |
| 04:32.34 | robboplus | up* |
| 04:32.49 | robboplus | stoned i can't spend another week learning about routing.. it's a jungle |
| 04:33.04 | robboplus | but i will try to grab an example of iptables script at least |
| 04:33.06 | wert613_ | heres a screenie of a setup i just had www.kovaya.com/jon/projects/screenshots/Screenshotmackde.png |
| 04:33.39 | simonrvn | Loof: it does that, try using a different sort of file opening function call... er lemme dig that up |
| 04:34.57 | Guerin | robboplus: you probably want to use PREROUTING and REDIRECT |
| 04:35.34 | Loof | simonrvn: Hmm, so you are suggesting recompiling vim? |
| 04:35.36 | robboplus | Guerin hm i'm mostly interested in routing outgoing http traffic via different ip |
| 04:35.46 | robboplus | Guerin so that would be redirect, right? |
| 04:36.17 | Guerin | robboplus: i say `probably' because that's what I'd try - but I'd have to look it up myself. |
| 04:36.28 | robboplus | Guerin ok |
| 04:36.36 | Guerin | robboplus: ask #iptables maybe |
| 04:36.42 | robboplus | i tried |
| 04:36.48 | Guerin | mm |
| 04:37.17 | Loof | BTW, one really odd thing is that 'kill <id>' unlocks it... prevents it from loading a file (if specified)... but it loads |
| 04:37.25 | robboplus | Guerin: If the software can bind a specific IP, then normal routing rules would do. Otherwise you might try -m owner in -t mangle with a -j MARK, then use the mark as routing key. |
| 04:37.30 | robboplus | it IS a jungle lol |
| 04:37.36 | sarixe | does debian have a gtk 2.10 dev package? |
| 04:37.42 | sarixe | or higher? |
| 04:38.06 | streuner_ | !tell sarixe about search |
| 04:38.19 | Loof | vim.basic loads nice and fast |
| 04:38.22 | Loof | only vim.perl dies |
| 04:38.30 | simonrvn | Loof: no i'm not. this -> fsync forcibly sync the file to disk after writing it, and... |
| 04:38.41 | simonrvn | set fs |
| 04:38.56 | simonrvn | set sws=fsync |
| 04:39.11 | simonrvn | Loof: those will help |
| 04:39.20 | simonrvn | fsync is faster and more reliable |
| 04:40.16 | sarixe | geh, 2.8 |
| 04:40.49 | sarixe | any way to get a 2.10 from apt? |
| 04:40.49 | Loof | hmm, fs is set by default |
| 04:41.03 | dondelelcaro | sarixe: 2.11 is in unstable |
| 04:41.07 | simonrvn | the other too |
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| 04:41.39 | cast | sarixe: compiling something eh? |
| 04:41.43 | streuner_ | sarixe: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:41.52 | sarixe | cast : yeah, a gtk engine |
| 04:41.55 | Guerin | robboplus: what you're trying to do is non-trivial, yes. |
| 04:42.09 | sarixe | streuner_ : lemme see |
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| 04:42.33 | sarixe | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 04:43.33 | sarixe | streuner_ : what does that mean? |
| 04:43.40 | streuner_ | sarixe: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:43.59 | sarixe | k |
| 04:44.03 | streuner_ | you are running etch/stable |
| 04:44.07 | Guerin | mm, actually |
| 04:44.16 | Guerin | you probably don't want to try that on etch |
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| 04:44.24 | Guerin | it will entail a *shitload* of deps |
| 04:44.37 | SOS | does anyone in here know anything about kurobox/pro? |
| 04:45.12 | Guerin | SOS: this is #debian, not #jap-trinkets |
| 04:45.13 | sarixe | streuner_ : yeah, just installed it yesterday |
| 04:46.42 | dagbrown | I know about the Kurobox but not the /pro |
| 04:47.01 | sarixe | streuner_ : so it'll build unstable packages from source for me? |
| 04:47.03 | Loof | simonrvn: Both were already set by default... and setting them again, just in case, didn't help any |
| 04:47.11 | Loof | It's only affecting vim.perl |
| 04:47.14 | SOS | guerin dont know what your going on about but im sure its very funny ;) |
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| 04:47.56 | dagbrown | Ooh, it's an ARM. The original Kurobox was a PPC |
| 04:48.09 | streuner_ | sarixe: its building a package out of unstable for your system - /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:48.16 | sarixe | right |
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| 04:49.02 | robboplus | i have this prob: grepping tru 200+ source files to find a certain line.. i found it, but grep doesn't tell me which file it is in... how do i find out? |
| 04:49.04 | SOS | dagbrown sarixe - i installed debian freenlink on to it with the hdd installed. then had to format the hdd and now i cant get back into the sys. no ip no matter what i try. |
| 04:49.12 | SOS | have i bricked the thing? |
| 04:49.19 | Guerin | robboplus: rgrep fooline /path |
| 04:49.22 | SOS | oh and i cant get into em mode neither |
| 04:49.34 | dagbrown | SOS: It came with a CD, right? |
| 04:49.45 | robboplus | Guerin many thanks! i also tried -B for that |
| 04:49.45 | SOS | yeah |
| 04:49.52 | dagbrown | SOS: Serial console? |
| 04:49.59 | SOS | no :( |
| 04:50.09 | SOS | unless its the sata connection at the front |
| 04:50.32 | SOS | but all i did was to format the hdd and put it back in :( |
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| 04:50.41 | simonrvn | Loof: mm, i use vim-full or -tiny |
| 04:51.01 | simonrvn | robboplus: -n |
| 04:51.09 | dagbrown | SOS: That HD had the OS on it! |
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| 04:51.39 | SOS | yeah |
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| 04:51.53 | SOS | so how can i recover |
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| 04:52.09 | dagbrown | SOS: Is the CD bootable? |
| 04:52.18 | sarixe | streuner_ : what about http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 04:52.22 | dagbrown | Or does it have a utility to install onto the HD? |
| 04:52.28 | sarixe | it's telling me to have the binary repo |
| 04:52.35 | dagbrown | (Say, from another computer) |
| 04:53.02 | SOS | ? |
| 04:53.14 | dagbrown | Stick the CD-ROM into another computer and have a look around. |
| 04:53.20 | jetx | sosdd |
| 04:53.29 | jetx | ahahahhahahaa |
| 04:54.06 | SOS | it dont come with setup files as such |
| 04:54.20 | dagbrown | Oh well, plug a CD-ROM drive into it and see what happens. |
| 04:54.24 | jetx | ddhdsos |
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| 04:54.55 | jetx | goodbye-windows.com |
| 04:55.03 | SOS | ddhdsos? |
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| 04:55.13 | jetx | dd your hd sos |
| 04:55.19 | jetx | jk |
| 04:55.26 | xjkx | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ all i need is the first cd? |
| 04:55.34 | jetx | that or a netinst |
| 04:55.58 | xjkx | I thought this was a netinst |
| 04:56.12 | SOS | what is dd? jet? |
| 04:56.20 | jetx | netinst is like 140megs or so .. a full cd would be a 700mb image |
| 04:56.31 | sarixe | brb |
| 04:56.33 | dagbrown | SOS: Anything at 192.168.11.150? |
| 04:56.34 | streuner_ | SOS: man dd |
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| 04:57.05 | SOS | no i cant get an ip nor do i get into em mode :( |
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| 04:57.41 | SOS | strevner cant get into debian to man dd |
| 04:57.51 | SOS | im not reaching the box at all |
| 04:57.54 | jetx | sos don't worry about it it was a joke |
| 04:57.58 | jetx | sosdd |
| 04:58.01 | liable | i am such a tard |
| 04:58.07 | jetx | or ssdd |
| 04:58.07 | streuner_ | SOS: google for a website (man-pages) |
| 04:58.15 | jetx | same shit different day |
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| 04:58.19 | xjkx | jetx: can i use ifconfig on netinst? its the only way i make my network to configure, the scripts/dhcpclient things never works here |
| 04:58.24 | dagbrown | and it's streuner with the generic advice |
| 04:58.39 | dagbrown | SOS: http://www.kurobox.com/mwiki/index.php/Building_a_Custom_Serial_Interface <- build yourself a serial port so you can get hold of the console |
| 04:58.41 | jetx | xjkx: maybe if you shell out (alt f2) |
| 04:58.43 | jetx | not sure |
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| 04:59.21 | streuner_ | SOS asked a simple question and he got a simple answer |
| 04:59.40 | streuner_ | <SOS> what is dd? jet? |
| 05:00.31 | somedude | woah mwilson quit using debian or just trolling this channel? |
| 05:00.58 | jetx | no it was a sad day for debian when mwilson was forced to leave |
| 05:01.03 | jetx | !seen mwilson |
| 05:01.04 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 671d 7h 54m 40s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 05:01.04 | liable | he got banned |
| 05:01.12 | jetx | he hangs in #bash sometimes |
| 05:01.15 | dagbrown | SOS: Hey, check this out: http://www.kurobox.com/mwiki/index.php/KuroBoxPro#Install_a_root_file_system_.28Distribution.29 |
| 05:01.58 | somedude | he was one of the reasons i stopped using debian |
| 05:02.05 | jetx | i always wondered who and why... one of the helix fanboys no doubt |
| 05:02.12 | somedude | maybe ill switch back |
| 05:02.16 | jetx | mwilson was an ass, but had a point |
| 05:02.23 | jetx | he just didn't sugar coat it |
| 05:02.25 | SOS | im going to try netcat but not sure if i can as i cant get an ip and messing about with soldering irons im deffo not sure about lol |
| 05:02.39 | jetx | in fact went out of his way to make it sour |
| 05:02.49 | jetx | but still had valid points |
| 05:03.01 | liable | he knew what he was talking about, just had a personality of a rabid pit bull |
| 05:03.08 | jetx | there ya go :) |
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| 05:03.27 | streuner_ | maybe you discuss those things with himself |
| 05:03.45 | jetx | i said hi to him in #bash once since then |
| 05:03.46 | dagbrown | He sounds kinda like me |
| 05:03.49 | streuner_ | irc.undernet, /join #linux |
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| 05:04.28 | ozatomic^ | whats the best converter to convert jpeg2000 to jpeg? |
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| 05:06.16 | sarixe | ah, fuck it... i'll do this later, meanwhile i'll look for some themes that _don't_ need a new engine |
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| 05:07.44 | phliver | im being DoSed :/ |
| 05:07.46 | twb | Is there a channel for discussing ACTUAL linux, that is, the kernel? |
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| 05:07.56 | sarixe | twb: that'd be #linux |
| 05:07.57 | sarixe | i think |
| 05:07.58 | jetx | twb: #kernel is slow |
| 05:08.02 | twb | I somehow am too cynical to just try #linux. |
| 05:08.03 | jetx | but exists |
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| 05:08.28 | el_isma | Hello! I kinda broke all my network system. When I try to ping anywhere I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". I tried everything I could think of.and 74 script |
| 05:08.36 | simonrvn | phliver: really? what IP? this --> 207.158.15.211 ? |
| 05:08.48 | cast | el_isma: so how did you break it :> |
| 05:08.51 | phliver | simonrvn: hundreds |
| 05:08.55 | jetx | ok make that ##kernel |
| 05:09.04 | phliver | simonrvn: mostly from us, russia, and bulgaria |
| 05:09.17 | phliver | about 100 to 150 connections at all times |
| 05:09.23 | el_isma | cast: I tried to bridge two interfaces |
| 05:09.30 | sarixe | is sid so unstable that it's unusable? |
| 05:09.34 | simonrvn | phliver: ah, DDoS, that *really* sucks. i bet they're trying to take your machine over |
| 05:09.35 | el_isma | cast: then, after several failed attemps, I tried to revert |
| 05:09.46 | jetx | sarixe: you don't want to run sid, at least not yet, but no |
| 05:09.49 | jetx | works fine |
| 05:10.02 | sarixe | jetx : then why don't i want to run it? |
| 05:10.05 | el_isma | cast: and now, no matter what I do... I get that when I try to ping (and of course, nothing else works) |
| 05:10.10 | jetx | because you can't fix it |
| 05:10.10 | phliver | simonrvn: its a syn flood |
| 05:10.14 | sarixe | true |
| 05:10.16 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 05:10.18 | sarixe | what about lenny? |
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| 05:10.31 | jetx | go for it if you want.. it's pretty stable |
| 05:10.34 | simonrvn | phliver: good luck |
| 05:10.36 | jetx | just not guarranteed |
| 05:10.40 | sarixe | jetx : fixable? |
| 05:10.44 | el_isma | cast: /etc/init.d/networking restart didn't help, I tried rebooting... |
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| 05:10.48 | phliver | thanks |
| 05:10.56 | sarixe | meh, i'll just stick with etch for now |
| 05:11.08 | sarixe | when's the next release scheduled for, a few years? |
| 05:11.08 | jetx | yeh... |
| 05:11.11 | simonrvn | phliver: BTW, you'll want to take care of that IP i gave you too, just attacked my HTTP |
| 05:11.14 | jetx | something like that |
| 05:11.16 | jetx | !wir |
| 05:11.16 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 05:11.18 | sarixe | bleh |
| 05:11.28 | sarixe | !rsn |
| 05:11.28 | dpkg | methinks rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 05:11.39 | sarixe | !siyh |
| 05:11.40 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 05:11.55 | jetx | of course i don't thing the_current_gods_of_debian believe wholeheartedly about wir |
| 05:12.03 | jetx | s/thing/think/ |
| 05:12.21 | sarixe | hm |
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| 05:13.09 | du | hi |
| 05:13.45 | el_isma | cast: any idea? |
| 05:13.47 | sarixe | so all i have to do is add the sources, apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 05:14.21 | cast | el_isma: fraid not :( never set up bridging before |
| 05:14.30 | du | i installed debian without a ethernet card, now i plugged in my ethernet card and i want to debian to recognize it, im not sure if im using the right terminology, but do i compile the ethernet card into the kernel, or load the module, if so how so? is there another application life base-config that i can do this with? |
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| 05:14.47 | el_isma | cast: right now, anything that get's me net is good enough! |
| 05:14.59 | cast | el_isma: well, what files have you messed with? |
| 05:15.09 | el_isma | cast: I get IP and everything from the router |
| 05:15.19 | solemnwarning | Does Linux currently have a system that allows users to mount devices/network paths/etc, or must all mounts be done by a UID 0 process? |
| 05:15.21 | cast | el_isma: only time ive got ping not allowed is when iptables rules ban it.. |
| 05:15.25 | el_isma | cast: I had touched /etc/network/interfaces, but I reverted |
| 05:15.31 | wert613_ | du, does ifconfig mention it |
| 05:15.32 | wert613_ | ? |
| 05:15.33 | dagbrown | solemnwarning: Stick the "user" flag in /etc/fstab |
| 05:15.35 | el_isma | cast: should I do iptables --flush ? |
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| 05:15.45 | solemnwarning | dagbrown: Without setting each path in fstab |
| 05:15.48 | cast | el_isma: well, iptables -L and see what it says |
| 05:16.06 | el_isma | cast: empty |
| 05:16.07 | dagbrown | solemnwarning: Oh yeah, well, at least, kde manages it all by itself. Something to do with hald |
| 05:16.14 | du | wert613_ no |
| 05:16.21 | solemnwarning | dagbrown: KDE handles stuff beyond local storage? |
| 05:16.26 | wert613_ | hmm you sure? |
| 05:16.31 | du | ya |
| 05:16.33 | du | no eth0 device |
| 05:16.38 | du | only: lo |
| 05:16.38 | wert613_ | it could be called eth1 |
| 05:16.41 | wert613_ | ahh |
| 05:16.41 | jetx | yeah konq does net stuff |
| 05:16.43 | wert613_ | i see... |
| 05:16.44 | cast | el_isma: dunno then :( my networking use only goes as far as route/iptables/ifconfig |
| 05:16.44 | wert613_ | hrm |
| 05:17.07 | dagbrown | solemnwarning: Network paths *maybe*. At least Konqueror can browse to 'em, but I don't think it actually mounts them. |
| 05:17.08 | wert613_ | supid question: did you reboot after puttin it in XD |
| 05:17.08 | du | wert613_ im wrong |
| 05:17.13 | el_isma | cast: ok, thanks anyway |
| 05:17.13 | wert613_ | ahh really? |
| 05:17.16 | du | ifconfig -a shows it |
| 05:17.19 | wert613_ | ok then |
| 05:17.28 | wert613_ | its wired right? |
| 05:17.30 | du | good call |
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| 05:17.43 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 05:18.02 | du | wired? my laptop im typing on now has the ethernet cord |
| 05:18.15 | wert613_ | ok then... |
| 05:18.30 | wert613_ | so does it say its up in ifconfig? |
| 05:18.33 | dagbrown | I wonder how to get the fingerprint reader on my laptop to work |
| 05:18.46 | du | it does not say that it is up |
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| 05:19.01 | du | infact the hardware address is FF:FF:FF... |
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| 05:19.09 | wert613_ | i see |
| 05:19.19 | wert613_ | thats strange |
| 05:19.28 | wert613_ | well then |
| 05:19.31 | wert613_ | hmm |
| 05:19.33 | elenril | is hibernate buttong disabled in debian ksmserver? |
| 05:19.40 | wert613_ | try ifup eth0 |
| 05:19.47 | wert613_ | may need su |
| 05:19.58 | mike__ | my new laptop has no sound ,,Toshiba laptops using the sound card HDA-intel (Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) ver 2) |
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| 05:20.15 | mike__ | ID 268 |
| 05:20.25 | du | wert: unknown interface |
| 05:20.30 | wert613_ | hrm |
| 05:20.31 | mike__ | Is there a fix? |
| 05:20.37 | wert613_ | thats strange |
| 05:20.44 | elenril | mike__, modprobe -v snd-hda-intel ? |
| 05:20.54 | el_isma | I kinda broke all my network system. When I try to ping anywhere I get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". I tried everything I could think of. Any ideas? |
| 05:20.55 | wert613_ | the name is eth0 right? not eth1 |
| 05:21.04 | du | ya eth0 |
| 05:21.10 | wert613_ | hrm |
| 05:21.12 | du | i do have two nics in this machine atm tho |
| 05:21.17 | coil | pump -i eth0 |
| 05:21.33 | du | cuz i plan on trying to make a gateway |
| 05:21.55 | du | for education purposes |
| 05:22.10 | mike__ | elenril: No feedback |
| 05:22.23 | wert613_ | perhaps you need to put it in your interfaces file |
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| 05:22.41 | wert613_ | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:22.53 | mike__ | elenril: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/85869 |
| 05:23.02 | wert613_ | if there is an entry copy from it and call the interface eth9 |
| 05:23.04 | wert613_ | if there is an entry copy from it and call the interface eth0 |
| 05:23.07 | jair | anyone here use blackbox? |
| 05:23.25 | jair | I am uisng blackbox with debian and I am running into some dificulties :) |
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| 05:23.39 | elenril | mike__, isn't it muted in alsamixer |
| 05:23.44 | mike__ | no |
| 05:23.53 | du | there is an entry for the loopback interface |
| 05:24.04 | du | only |
| 05:24.14 | wert613_ | ok then... |
| 05:24.15 | streuner_ | blackbox or fluxbox have some good FAQ's, did you read them? |
| 05:24.16 | wert613_ | one sec |
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| 05:24.23 | wert613_ | lemme check how you should set it up |
| 05:24.28 | du | sure |
| 05:24.39 | jair | streuner_: I will check that |
| 05:24.52 | mike__ | elenril: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473425&highlight=toshiba |
| 05:25.30 | streuner_ | try flux too, its easy and well configured - based on blackbox |
| 05:25.40 | elenril | mike__, try to unload and reload the module |
| 05:25.49 | mike__ | no go |
| 05:26.14 | elenril | mike__, no cracking from speakers? |
| 05:26.23 | jair | streuner_: I want to keep the box as light weight as possible |
| 05:26.24 | wert613_ | du, you are using a dhcp server? |
| 05:26.33 | mike__ | oh will try again,,nothing |
| 05:26.39 | jair | so i will try to figure out blackbox |
| 05:26.46 | jair | but thank you anyway |
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| 05:26.59 | streuner_ | jair: well, black, open or fluxbox are all light |
| 05:27.03 | dimir | Early moin! |
| 05:27.15 | du | not that im aware of, my internet connection is hooked directly into my dsl modem |
| 05:27.27 | du | and i didnt install any dhcp components |
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| 05:27.35 | du | only package i installed was gcc |
| 05:27.37 | elenril | mike__, have you tried position_fix=0 (or 1 or 2) and model=3stack |
| 05:27.50 | mike__ | elenril: yes and many more |
| 05:27.55 | wert613_ | du, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 05:28.00 | wert613_ | ok so its a static ip? |
| 05:28.01 | mike__ | elenril: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/85869 |
| 05:28.11 | wert613_ | or do your ips come from a server? |
| 05:28.19 | jair | streuner_: Thanks |
| 05:28.39 | du | im sure my ip is coming from the isp, so i'd say actually now that you mention it im being dynamically given an ip |
| 05:29.08 | du | and it will always change |
| 05:29.20 | wert613_ | ok then |
| 05:29.29 | wert613_ | add this to your interfaces file |
| 05:29.34 | wert613_ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 05:29.48 | wert613_ | save it and then do ifup eth0 |
| 05:30.48 | mike__ | elenril: Realtek ID 268 lacks support |
| 05:30.52 | du | i did ifup eth0 and the terminal disappeared |
| 05:30.59 | wert613_ | weird |
| 05:31.05 | wert613_ | hrm =/ |
| 05:31.15 | du | the other terminals on alt+fn are there still |
| 05:31.23 | du | no worries |
| 05:31.34 | wert613_ | ok then |
| 05:31.36 | wert613_ | lesse |
| 05:31.43 | wert613_ | do another ifconfig |
| 05:31.47 | wert613_ | check for changes |
| 05:31.50 | du | ok terminal is back |
| 05:32.26 | du | k now without doing -a eth0 is displaying |
| 05:32.33 | wert613_ | ok then |
| 05:32.41 | wert613_ | does it day "up multicasting" |
| 05:32.43 | du | oh |
| 05:32.47 | du | and it says up broadcast |
| 05:32.50 | wert613_ | good |
| 05:32.52 | wert613_ | ok then |
| 05:33.00 | du | broadcast running multicast |
| 05:33.00 | wert613_ | dhclient eth0 |
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| 05:33.10 | wert613_ | thats good |
| 05:33.13 | wert613_ | good |
| 05:33.18 | wert613_ | now |
| 05:33.20 | wert613_ | dhclient eth0 |
| 05:33.38 | du | k i did dhclient eth0 and it kinda made the terminal go blank again |
| 05:33.48 | wert613_ | . . . thats strange |
| 05:33.50 | elenril | mike__, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8552578/ha_realtek_parch_files.zip ? |
| 05:33.51 | wert613_ | just blank? |
| 05:33.55 | wert613_ | hmmm |
| 05:34.00 | du | ya |
| 05:34.09 | wert613_ | can you pastebin the output of ifconfig |
| 05:35.02 | wert613_ | woah |
| 05:35.03 | du | sure it will take a moment because i have to type it out |
| 05:35.08 | wert613_ | =D |
| 05:35.12 | wert613_ | no copying? |
| 05:35.28 | du | there is only one computer with the internet at this point and it's the laptop im non |
| 05:35.34 | wert613_ | ahh |
| 05:35.36 | wert613_ | i see |
| 05:36.21 | du | almost done |
| 05:36.25 | wert613_ | =D |
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| 05:38.00 | du | http://www.pastebin.ca/664117 |
| 05:38.19 | du | thats excluding the loopback |
| 05:38.47 | wert613_ | of couse |
| 05:38.51 | wert613_ | course |
| 05:38.57 | wert613_ | ok then... |
| 05:39.00 | wert613_ | hmm |
| 05:39.11 | wert613_ | so it crashes when you do dhcliet? |
| 05:39.15 | wert613_ | so it crashes when you do dhclient |
| 05:39.20 | jetx | !enter |
| 05:39.20 | wert613_ | ? |
| 05:39.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 05:39.20 | cast | anyone know if one of the BSDs shipped with a backdoor? someone mentioned that one did several years ago, maybe they were making it up, i've never heard such a thing from anyone else |
| 05:39.25 | du | heh kinda, terminal dissapears |
| 05:39.32 | wert613_ | thats weird |
| 05:39.33 | du | and actually periodically the terminal dissapears now |
| 05:39.38 | wert613_ | heh |
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| 05:39.44 | wert613_ | maybe try another terminal? |
| 05:39.44 | du | im guessing when it tries to get an ip |
| 05:39.51 | wert613_ | ahh |
| 05:39.55 | wert613_ | yeh thats possible |
| 05:40.05 | du | when i switch to another terminal and then back it comes back |
| 05:40.54 | du | hey dont worry about it, im going to reinstall |
| 05:41.01 | wert613_ | alright what happens when you do ifup eth0? |
| 05:41.08 | mike__ | elenril: Do I make,,make install? |
| 05:41.10 | wert613_ | reinstall why? |
| 05:41.18 | du | interface eth0 already configured |
| 05:41.23 | wert613_ | thought so |
| 05:41.24 | jair | streuner_: Thank you very much the FAQ document is great |
| 05:41.36 | jair | got everything I need so far |
| 05:41.39 | wert613_ | so there should be no problem |
| 05:41.47 | wert613_ | and its not connected to the net? |
| 05:41.51 | du | not yet |
| 05:41.52 | dagbrown | That advice about the ENTER key, uh...it makes it hard for me to get my point across; I just sit there staring at the screen and my message never gets sent. |
| 05:41.55 | du | ok i wont reinstall |
| 05:41.59 | wert613_ | =D |
| 05:42.06 | jair | streuner_: the only thing though is, how can i switch using the keyboard from the irssi channels in irc? |
| 05:42.28 | du | i suppose i do need to disconect the laptop from the net at this point though |
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| 05:42.43 | du | anything else i should know? its going to be connected directly to the dsl modem |
| 05:42.52 | du | i was thinking id probably need to install dhcp |
| 05:42.58 | du | err pppoe |
| 05:43.07 | wert613_ | hmm i dunno |
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| 05:43.21 | du | i'll give it a try |
| 05:43.22 | liable | yay, they finally fixed my routers ipv6 lookup problem |
| 05:43.28 | du | i'll be back shortly |
| 05:43.32 | wert613_ | aight |
| 05:43.47 | du | actually i'll reboot first |
| 05:44.11 | du | hopefully the terminal will stop dissappearing |
| 05:44.19 | wert613_ | a reboot may do the trick |
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| 05:45.40 | du | cool now nic has a mac address |
| 05:45.53 | du | incredible |
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| 05:46.10 | du | i thought i was going to have to install tulip or some generic module or something |
| 05:46.17 | du | how come i didnt hve to? |
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| 05:46.33 | wert613_ | simpler than that |
| 05:46.39 | wert613_ | anyhow it has a mac now? |
| 05:46.45 | wert613_ | so now try dhclient |
| 05:46.55 | du | yep |
| 05:47.09 | du | dhclient eth0? |
| 05:47.12 | du | k terminal didnt dissapear ha |
| 05:47.16 | wert613_ | hehe |
| 05:47.19 | wert613_ | what happened? |
| 05:47.19 | elenril | mike__, i have no idea, my realtek doesn't need it |
| 05:47.22 | du | it moved down one line, and has a blinking cursor |
| 05:47.30 | wert613_ | heh |
| 05:47.48 | wert613_ | i may be thinkinh bacward however |
| 05:48.24 | du | command prompt returned |
| 05:48.29 | wert613_ | nothing happened? |
| 05:48.31 | wert613_ | ok htne |
| 05:48.38 | wert613_ | i was thinking worng |
| 05:48.41 | wert613_ | wrong |
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| 05:48.54 | wert613_ | ok then... lesse... |
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| 05:49.43 | elenril | mike__, i think you're supposed to put these files to /alsa-src/pci/hda |
| 05:50.04 | elenril | mike__, and then recompile |
| 05:50.35 | wert613_ | ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 05:50.49 | wert613_ | if it says its already up ommit the up |
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| 05:51.38 | du | cool now inet addr: 192.168.0.1 bcast:192.168.0.255 mask: 255.255.255.0 is in ifconfig eth0 |
| 05:51.45 | wert613_ | ok |
| 05:51.54 | wert613_ | and are you connected to the net? |
| 05:52.24 | du | i have to remove the internet connection from this laptop in order to test |
| 05:53.03 | wert613_ | alright |
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| 05:53.35 | du | ill give it a try |
| 05:54.00 | du | is there a way to request an ip from my modem? |
| 05:54.14 | du | or maybe it will autodetect |
| 05:54.22 | wert613_ | it should autodetect |
| 05:54.24 | wert613_ | if not |
| 05:54.29 | wert613_ | thts what dhclient does |
| 05:54.41 | du | ok, i'll see what happens |
| 05:54.46 | du | i'll be back shortly |
| 05:54.58 | wert613_ | algiht |
| 05:55.52 | elenril | somebody should change the link in dpkg's suspend2 message |
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| 05:56.34 | du | oh ya! |
| 05:56.38 | du | it worked |
| 05:56.41 | wert613_ | yay |
| 05:56.42 | wert613_ | ! |
| 05:56.48 | du | many thanks wert613_ |
| 05:57.08 | wert613_ | no prob =D |
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| 05:59.03 | du | k im going to begin experimenting, hope to see you again |
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| 06:05.08 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:05.30 | liable | dpkg: wake up you lazy bot |
| 06:05.45 | mike__ | elenril: ok |
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| 06:14.50 | wert613_ | who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men! the shadow knows muhahahahahHAHAH! |
| 06:15.26 | maxamillion | when 'aptitude update' says 'Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)' ... how might one fix this? |
| 06:15.50 | wert613_ | w00t for debian! |
| 06:16.07 | wert613_ | hey maxamillion you on the ubuntu forums? |
| 06:16.27 | wert613_ | and as to your problem... |
| 06:16.33 | wert613_ | hmmm |
| 06:16.44 | du | wert613_ please refrain from pwning me as soon as i connect to the internet =] |
| 06:16.44 | wert613_ | maybe try reinstalling gunzip |
| 06:16.51 | wert613_ | lol du |
| 06:16.54 | du | haha |
| 06:16.55 | wert613_ | XD |
| 06:17.00 | maxamillion | wert613_: uhmm, technically i have an account there .... there used to be ubuntu boxes at work but i replaced them with debian because i got tired of instabilities |
| 06:17.08 | wert613_ | hehe |
| 06:17.11 | wert613_ | anyhow |
| 06:17.21 | wert613_ | perhaps try reinstaling gzip |
| 06:17.44 | wert613_ | dpkg -P gzip, apt-get install gzip |
| 06:17.53 | wert613_ | to remove all the conf files then reinstall |
| 06:18.15 | maxamillion | wert613_: i don't think that could be the issue ... i was having network problems earlier and i have resolved them now and i think its part of the network issues because it started to download earlier and then lost the net connection |
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| 06:18.31 | wert613_ | ahh |
| 06:18.35 | wert613_ | hmm then do |
| 06:18.40 | wert613_ | apt-get -f install |
| 06:18.42 | maxamillion | wert613_: but now that i try it again with a functional net connection ... it errors |
| 06:18.57 | wert613_ | to ix broken packages and other errors |
| 06:19.00 | wert613_ | fix* |
| 06:19.27 | maxamillion | (i use aptitude) ... i tried aptitude -f update earlier and no go |
| 06:19.37 | maxamillion | and apt-get -f install didn't help either :/ |
| 06:19.57 | wert613_ | ahh sorry i didnt see that you said aptitude.. |
| 06:19.59 | wert613_ | hmmm |
| 06:20.04 | wert613_ | so -f didnt work... |
| 06:20.13 | wert613_ | lets seee |
| 06:20.24 | maxamillion | wert613_: where is the release file held? ... i can just erase it so that it will download a new copy |
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| 06:20.45 | maxamillion | wert613_: and why did you ask if i was on the ubuntu forums? |
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| 06:22.41 | wert613_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.02 | wert613_ | yeh maxamillion i was thinking about that but im not sure where its kept |
| 06:23.53 | maxamillion | wert613_: yeah, that's me ... used to have xubuntu on my machine at work and i enjoyed using it for a while because it had the comfort of debian with alot of the xfce configuration done for me already ... but alas, the instabilities drove me nuts |
| 06:24.23 | wert613_ | yeh ubuntu strips out essential things for the sake of thinness |
| 06:24.28 | maxamillion | wert613_: i am now back to 100% debian and actually don't even run xfce .... i'm a pypanel+openbox user now |
| 06:25.01 | wert613_ | ok then |
| 06:25.02 | wert613_ | after googling ive gto a possible solution |
| 06:25.04 | maxamillion | wert613_: but yeah ... back to my broken release package |
| 06:25.05 | wert613_ | got |
| 06:25.10 | maxamillion | wonderful |
| 06:25.25 | wert613_ | alright comment out your entire source list |
| 06:25.37 | wert613_ | do an aptitude update |
| 06:25.41 | wert613_ | then uncomment |
| 06:25.44 | wert613_ | and do so again |
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| 06:26.19 | maxamillion | wert613_: makes sense .... lets see how it goes |
| 06:26.33 | wert613_ | in case that doesnt work another less favourable solution is to change all your sources to ftp |
| 06:26.41 | maxamillion | 4680B/s = fail |
| 06:26.51 | maxamillion | guh .... now half that |
| 06:27.04 | maxamillion | oooo up to 19.3kB/s :) |
| 06:27.13 | wert613_ | XD |
| 06:27.27 | wert613_ | oi thats slow |
| 06:27.33 | maxamillion | wert613_: it appears to be working .... downloading stuffs atleast |
| 06:27.40 | wert613_ | goody |
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| 06:28.04 | maxamillion | wert613_: yeah, i go to college in a small town and i hate living close to campus so i am almost in the middle of nowhere so the net is garbage |
| 06:28.36 | maxamillion | wert613_: so what's a nice debian user like you doing in a place like the ubuntu forums? |
| 06:28.40 | wert613_ | heheeh |
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| 06:28.43 | wert613_ | i run both |
| 06:29.16 | maxamillion | wert613_: i used to ... but after my ubuntu machines were crashing more often than my co-workers windows machines i became bitter |
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| 06:29.30 | wert613_ | although i only really run ubuntu because i dont want to reinstall everything |
| 06:29.55 | maxamillion | wert613_: then i thought to myself "in the 6 years before touching ubuntu, debian *never* crashed once" |
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| 06:30.08 | maxamillion | and thus ... it dawned one me "don't fix what isn't broken" |
| 06:30.11 | wert613_ | heh |
| 06:30.33 | wert613_ | ok so heres the real and good solution that should work every time and as a reason |
| 06:30.35 | maxamillion | w00t! |
| 06:30.44 | maxamillion | it worked |
| 06:30.50 | maxamillion | your google-foo is strong |
| 06:31.18 | wert613_ | delete any files in /var/cash/apt/lists/partial/ next time it happens |
| 06:31.54 | jetx | -fu |
| 06:31.56 | simonrvn | cache |
| 06:32.01 | maxamillion | s/"/var/cash"/"/var/cache/" |
| 06:32.02 | simonrvn | jetx: heh |
| 06:32.08 | maxamillion | yeah ... rgr |
| 06:32.15 | wert613_ | lol |
| 06:32.16 | wert613_ | sorry |
| 06:32.21 | wert613_ | i was typing from memory |
| 06:32.22 | wert613_ | XD |
| 06:32.32 | wert613_ | i guess i got the word mixed up |
| 06:32.34 | simonrvn | your memory sucks then ;p |
| 06:32.44 | maxamillion | jetx: i like foo better because of foo-con, and things like foo-bar .... but yet i guess it would be better to not look a fool |
| 06:32.48 | wert613_ | nah i just tpyed too fast for my mind |
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| 06:33.00 | maxamillion | my memory just sucks |
| 06:33.14 | wert613_ | heheh |
| 06:33.33 | wert613_ | well alls good |
| 06:33.39 | wert613_ | ive helped two people tonight |
| 06:33.41 | wert613_ | good for me |
| 06:33.57 | wert613_ | hahaha |
| 06:33.58 | maxamillion | lol |
| 06:34.02 | wert613_ | lol not an apt |
| 06:34.05 | simonrvn | @congratulate wert613_ |
| 06:34.07 | ravenbird | hooray wert613_, you did it! |
| 06:34.10 | wert613_ | yay! |
| 06:34.20 | Uncle_Muscle | anyone favor reiser over ext3? I am considering going with an unstable kernel for reiser4 |
| 06:34.29 | simonrvn | not me |
| 06:34.41 | maxamillion | Uncle_Muscle: no, reiser is unstable |
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| 06:34.45 | simonrvn | i'd rather have ext3 than be stuck with reiser4 any day |
| 06:34.46 | jetx | die reiser die |
| 06:34.47 | wert613_ | w00t for journaling filesystems |
| 06:34.50 | maxamillion | ext3 is damn near full proof |
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| 06:34.58 | jetx | oh wait it wasn't mr reiser |
| 06:35.09 | wert613_ | your boss? |
| 06:35.15 | maxamillion | lol |
| 06:35.15 | Uncle_Muscle | any opinion of jfs and xfs? |
| 06:35.27 | jetx | jfs rocks |
| 06:35.38 | maxamillion | well, i am off ... night all |
| 06:35.42 | wert613_ | gnight |
| 06:35.49 | simonrvn | jfs less cpu hoggage than jfs, v. good fs; xfs has issues |
| 06:35.52 | jetx | fool |
| 06:35.55 | maxamillion | thanks a million wert613_!!! maybe i will stop by the ubuntu forums and say hello :P |
| 06:35.56 | simonrvn | than xfs* |
| 06:35.59 | jetx | not full |
| 06:36.02 | sep | Uncle_Muscle, avoid raiser* like the plauge. yuo can use jfs or xfs if you have a spesific need, and you MUST HAVE USP, that also shutdown your computer. if you dont have ups, or you dont have a spesific need use ext3 |
| 06:36.09 | wert613_ | hehehe no prob glad to be of service |
| 06:36.23 | Uncle_Muscle | yea, ext3 is probably the best balance |
| 06:36.26 | Uncle_Muscle | thanks |
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| 06:36.51 | simonrvn | jfs works well with/without UPS, xfs doesn't. you can easily end up with binary files where text ones before |
| 06:37.00 | simonrvn | ...with xfs |
| 06:37.03 | Uncle_Muscle | any opinions on preemptive kernel? i am not clear on whether the debian generic is compiled as preemptive, but i tend to compile-in preempt |
| 06:37.10 | jetx | jfs isn't like reiser or xfs with the power |
| 06:37.15 | sep | Uncle_Muscle, dir-index, and resize-inode are _VERY_ nice on ext3 (imho) |
| 06:37.17 | simonrvn | only for a desktop |
| 06:37.25 | simonrvn | (preempt) |
| 06:37.30 | Uncle_Muscle | i see... how does jfs compare performance-wise with ext3? |
| 06:37.40 | simonrvn | jetx: yeh, this box is all jfs |
| 06:38.00 | simonrvn | Uncle_Muscle: very nicely, in practice |
| 06:38.37 | Uncle_Muscle | i am really looking for a filesystem that will perform at least as well as ext3 (hopefully better), but have less cpu usage than reiser |
| 06:38.55 | xushi | I'm trying to find the new images for 4.0r1, but the ones here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ arn't updated.. Does anyone know of an updated mirror please ? |
| 06:39.09 | simonrvn | from least cpu usage to most: ext2 ext3 jfs xfs reiser |
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| 06:39.46 | simonrvn | (this is based on benchmarks from about 1.5 year ago) |
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| 06:40.16 | Uncle_Muscle | ah... so, in your opinion, is jfs a better performer than ext3? |
| 06:40.25 | simonrvn | re-read |
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| 06:40.56 | xushi | Uncle_Muscle: i spent quite a while doing research on that, it's in a forum in LQ , would you like me to find it ? |
| 06:41.03 | xushi | Uncle_Muscle: but it's mostly on stability rather than speed research |
| 06:41.04 | simonrvn | don't read into what i said, just plainly read what i said |
| 06:41.48 | Uncle_Muscle | i mean, are there advantages to jfs as far as i/o or throughput over ext3? |
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| 06:42.02 | hyphenex | How many users can one have on a linux box before it slows down? Could I say, have 4 million users, each with their home directory? |
| 06:42.19 | wert613_ | hahah |
| 06:42.26 | xushi | HymnToLife: ouch.. i think you should worry about hard disk access (read/write). |
| 06:42.39 | xushi | if i were you i'd go for multiple scsi 15krpm arrays :) |
| 06:42.42 | simonrvn | stability-wise reiser is the worst. ever. xfs is ok except in 2 cases: FS is full even counting root's space it'll crash, and a host lock up and subsequenet reboot, it'll fill files up with 0s the files it didn't have a chance to sync to disk from journal |
| 06:43.32 | xushi | Uncle_Muscle: this might be of little use, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=422492&highlight=ext3 |
| 06:43.43 | Uncle_Muscle | thank you |
| 06:43.51 | simonrvn | xushi: of some use, i think you meant ? |
| 06:44.09 | xushi | i underestimated :) it's of good use.. |
| 06:44.20 | hyphenex | so 4 million users == bad? :P |
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| 06:44.38 | wert613_ | 4,000,000 users == lots of disk space |
| 06:44.43 | simonrvn | hyphenex: if you have 4 M users, you're virtualising |
| 06:44.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | hyphenex: Well, not if you have a Blue Gene box :) |
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| 06:44.53 | wols_ | hyphenex: windows has 1 billion users. I rest my caser |
| 06:44.55 | wols_ | -r |
| 06:45.00 | wert613_ | heheh |
| 06:45.04 | xushi | hyphenex : forget the operating system for now please. start looking at it on a technical side, then start analyzing the limitations that could possibly arise |
| 06:45.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | hyphenex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Gene |
| 06:45.05 | wert613_ | thats not what he means |
| 06:45.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: How much does a pack of casers cost? :) |
| 06:45.34 | simonrvn | his question is based on a few errors |
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| 06:46.25 | xushi | things you should look for: memory management, hard disk I/O reads, space, security, backup. (possibly more things too). Now, look at how linux does with all of these, along with solaris, bsd, windows.. After that, take into consideration any licenses and software expenses. |
| 06:46.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | hhy |
| 06:46.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | hyphenex* |
| 06:46.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | In other words, everything |
| 06:46.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | The OS wouldn't be the limitation |
| 06:46.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | The hardware would |
| 06:47.18 | xushi | hehe exactly :) |
| 06:47.35 | wols_ | maybe look for a clusterable OS |
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| 06:47.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | hyphenex: look for OpenMosix |
| 06:47.50 | wols_ | what are 4 million users doing on a single system? |
| 06:47.55 | xushi | for anything above 10k users, i myself would go for multiple hardware (multiple servers, clustered or in array) |
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| 06:48.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | hyphenex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMosix |
| 06:48.12 | simonrvn | xushi: you would have to |
| 06:48.14 | cafuego | wols_: waiting for everyone else's procsses t finish |
| 06:48.22 | wols_ | good point cafuego |
| 06:48.27 | xushi | hehe |
| 06:48.40 | simonrvn | on multi-core machines |
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| 06:49.02 | xushi | hyphenex: take for example the online hosts (site5, hostmysite, godaddy, etc..) hundreds of thousands of users, but it's murder to use just 1 machine |
| 06:49.09 | wols_ | simonrvn: even a SGI with a gazillion itanics would crawl with 4 mill users |
| 06:49.11 | xushi | and say you had to reboot that machine, you're going to disconnect a million users |
| 06:49.13 | Intensity | Hi. I really need some help getting a 1680x1050 monitor working under X. I've run 915resolution, and am editing the xorg.conf. This is the recommended resolution for this Lenovo monitor and I know it works in Windows. The latest is that when I am running X, it causes the monitor to respond with "input signal out of range". Any idea what might be causing that? I've tried with the DDC module loaded, and without. |
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| 06:49.37 | simonrvn | wols_: no effing kidding |
| 06:49.39 | wert613_ | I'd use 3 imacs with 12 gb ram each and terabyte HD's running BSD |
| 06:49.43 | wols_ | Intensity: wrong horiz or vert sync numbers |
| 06:49.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: He'd need a bit more than just a single multi-core machine to do four million users each with his/her own /home directory |
| 06:49.58 | simonrvn | xushi: reboot? out of the question unless you do IP sharing |
| 06:50.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: He'd need a data center, much like Google's. |
| 06:50.07 | wols_ | wert613_: 3 imacs per user? sounds about right. |
| 06:50.12 | wert613_ | heheheh |
| 06:50.13 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: did i say 1 multi-core? |
| 06:50.18 | Intensity | wols_: I've taken them directly from the manual. I can perhaps try shortening them gradually at either end. |
| 06:50.21 | xushi | simonrvn: i mean reboot, or if it crashes, or something happens.. |
| 06:50.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: Oops, sorry, I misread |
| 06:50.23 | xushi | (off topic) speaking of... anyone else waiting for ext4 ? :) |
| 06:50.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: my bad |
| 06:50.31 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: :) |
| 06:50.32 | wols_ | Intensity: is it a tft or a monitor? |
| 06:50.36 | xushi | guys, i think we scared off hyphenex :) |
| 06:50.47 | wert613_ | yeh |
| 06:50.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Either that, or he's off looking for investors |
| 06:50.53 | wert613_ | he stopped tlaking |
| 06:50.54 | Intensity | wols_: Is this gradual shortening of the two extremes a good way to go about it? It's a flat screen--Lenovo 6622-HB1. |
| 06:51.01 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: yes he'd need a datacenter |
| 06:51.03 | xushi | anyway, back to work for me. Does anyone have an updated mirror for netinstall 4.0r1 ? |
| 06:51.05 | wols_ | xushi: good. someone who "designs" a system for 4 million users by asking on irc should be shot |
| 06:51.10 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: heheheh |
| 06:51.17 | xushi | hehe |
| 06:51.18 | wols_ | Intensity: answer my question |
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| 06:51.34 | wols_ | and monitors have a minimum range too, not just maximum |
| 06:51.36 | Intensity | wols_: I do not know what a TFT is. |
| 06:51.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: Well, maybe not shot, but have his CAT-6 cables cut |
| 06:51.47 | xushi | wols_: thing is, there are a lot of good minds on irc. i would do the same thing too for initial research |
| 06:51.53 | wols_ | TFT = LCD monitor. CRT = cathode ray tube |
| 06:52.04 | Intensity | wols_: It's an LCD monitor. |
| 06:52.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | LCD = Liquid crystal display |
| 06:52.07 | xushi | Intensity: a flat screen LCD, like the ones on laptops.. instead of the really big old heavy CRT monitors |
| 06:52.31 | wols_ | Intensity: then tweak your numbers so it both falls into the 50-60Hz range for screen refreh. that's that LCDs use |
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| 06:52.52 | sysfault | hello, is there a sysctl call, that will enable NTPL in my 2.4.x kernel? |
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| 06:53.06 | Intensity | wols_: I see. So, the screen refresh is derived from the Horiz and Vert, but cannot directly be specified; is this correct? |
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| 06:53.20 | wols_ | LCDs can only have one sort of refresh |
| 06:53.33 | wols_ | 50 or 60 Hz depending on country usually |
| 06:53.49 | wols_ | that plus resolution defines everything else pretty much |
| 06:54.05 | Intensity | wols_: As in, one discrete value? Hmm. X even detected the type of monitor in its probe (I can verify it identified the model). Why would it try a non-working refresh rate? |
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| 06:54.18 | wols_ | no clue |
| 06:54.26 | Intensity | wols_: And, looking at the X log, can I find out what it did decide upon? |
| 06:54.33 | sarixe | just upgraded to lenny, but i'm having problems getting fglrx to work |
| 06:54.48 | wols_ | afaik yes. you should look into the logs first time before even asking here :) |
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| 06:54.54 | wols_ | !fglrx |
| 06:54.54 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 06:55.02 | wols_ | see what it says about Xorg version? |
| 06:55.10 | sarixe | right |
| 06:55.11 | wols_ | !info xserver-xorg lenny |
| 06:55.12 | Intensity | wols_: I did look at the logs before asking here. |
| 06:55.12 | wert613_ | Intensity: almost certainly it's getting the wrong refresh rate |
| 06:55.16 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB |
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| 06:55.25 | sarixe | yep |
| 06:55.29 | xushi | Uncle_Muscle: here's another interesting one: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=340347&highlight=ext3 |
| 06:55.33 | sarixe | so how do i downgrade, then? |
| 06:55.49 | sarixe | add the etch sources and select the older version in synaptic? |
| 06:55.52 | wols_ | sarixe: let it be a lesson to you and never buy ati again until they get their shit together (fat chance) |
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| 06:56.05 | wols_ | sarixe: pretty much |
| 06:56.10 | sarixe | wols_ : i learned that pretty much when i got it |
| 06:56.18 | wols_ | well not apt/synaptic sine that won't downgrade |
| 06:56.21 | wols_ | install it manually via dpkg |
| 06:56.42 | sarixe | uh, i can select an older version from synaptic |
| 06:56.47 | wols_ | apt-cache searc xorg |grep xorg |
| 06:57.03 | x_link | Good morgon! |
| 06:57.05 | x_link | opps |
| 06:57.07 | wols_ | apt-cache search xorg |grep xorg, then you know what you need to install, more or less |
| 06:57.11 | x_link | Good morning! |
| 06:57.17 | sysfault | is there a sysctl call, that will enable NTPL in my 2.4.x kernel? |
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| 06:57.26 | sarixe | wols_ : thanks |
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| 06:57.35 | wsxws | hi all :) |
| 06:57.50 | simonrvn | sysfault: i very much doubt it |
| 06:57.59 | Bogus8 | I'm running the 9755 driver and everything works great after I install it... but if I reboot then the driver gets hosed and xorg doesn't load |
| 06:58.04 | Bogus8 | I install the driver again and everything is all well again |
| 06:58.05 | sarixe | O.o where the hell did synaptic go? |
| 06:58.06 | Intensity | wert613_: Okay, I see several lines that indicate how it might be decidin g upon a refresh rate. It says: Setting refresh rate with VBE 3 method, toward the very end. There's earlier logic that says "Attempting to use 60.0Hz refresh rate for "1680x1050" (854)". |
| 06:58.12 | sysfault | so I'll have to do a manual configuration, ok. |
| 06:58.14 | Bogus8 | downloaded the driver from nvidia's site |
| 06:58.21 | x_link | When I do "df -h" then /dev/sda1 shows to be 230GB, used 139GB and 79GB Free. The thing is that this drive is not 230GB, it's an 250GB drive. What has happened with the other 20GB? |
| 06:58.30 | Bogus8 | I was just told in #nvidia that it's a debian bug |
| 06:58.30 | sarixe | there it is... System Tools |
| 06:58.44 | cafuego | x_link: That was alie by the manufactorer. |
| 06:58.52 | x_link | cafuego: ?+ |
| 06:58.58 | Bogus8 | and that I need to get rid of debian packages to keep the conflict out when running the run script |
| 06:58.59 | wsxws | im running debian-etch and i have installed postfix/cyrus imap with pam.d authentification. i cant send emails but i cant recieve. mailq give out an error and i dont know what to do now |
| 06:59.00 | cafuego | x_link: 250 Gb only of a Gb is 100Mb and a Mb is 100Kb. |
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| 06:59.10 | cafuego | x_link: However, a Gb is 1024 Mb... |
| 06:59.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone remind me where Debian keeps its list of kernel modules to be started at boot? |
| 06:59.36 | cafuego | x_link: Aditionally, a percentage (5%) is reserved for root and that isn't displayed either. |
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| 07:00.01 | cafuego | x_link: You can tweak that percentage to 1 or 0, depending on what the drive is for. |
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| 07:00.18 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: add whatever you need to /etc/modules |
| 07:00.25 | zophy{} | Dark_Apostrophe, /etc/modules is what i use |
| 07:00.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks :) |
| 07:00.49 | cafuego | x_link: if it's not / or /tmp, I tend to set th reserved_for_root space to 0%. |
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| 07:01.19 | wsxws | anybody here good in mailservers/hostname/dns erors ? |
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| 07:01.32 | simonrvn | cafuego: eew |
| 07:01.32 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com !!!! |
| 07:01.37 | sSiroSoriSs | have a look at that shit!!! |
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| 07:01.41 | cafuego | simonrvn: ? |
| 07:01.42 | simonrvn | sSiroSoriSs: shut up |
| 07:02.04 | sep | wsxws, that's not a real question |
| 07:02.06 | x_link | cafuego: But that's not my systemdisk. |
| 07:02.06 | simonrvn | cafuego: dropping the 5% for root reservation |
| 07:02.10 | x_link | /dev/hda1 = systemdisk |
| 07:02.14 | x_link | /dev/sda1 = storage. |
| 07:02.21 | cafuego | simonrvn: On /data or /mediadump it hardly matters |
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| 07:02.36 | sSiroSoriSs | interesting x_link |
| 07:02.40 | cafuego | x_link: Yeah, run tune2fs and set the reserved percentage to 0 for sda1, it'll be fine. |
| 07:02.44 | simonrvn | cafuego: hmm, if it's just user stuff, yeh |
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| 07:03.04 | dagbrown | Or just use LVM and grow the volume size when you run out of space. |
| 07:03.07 | sep | wsxws, state the error message you mentioned as the very minimum |
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| 07:03.13 | cafuego | simonrvn: I do same on the 500Gb media dump disk here |
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| 07:03.25 | wsxws | Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=name.tld type=MX: Host not found, try again |
| 07:03.27 | sSiroSoriSs | I didnt know it wasnt possible to have swap space on seperate drive |
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| 07:03.41 | x_link | cafuego: |
| 07:03.42 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ sudo tune2fs -m0 /dev/sda1 |
| 07:03.43 | x_link | tune2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 07:03.43 | x_link | Setting reserved blocks percentage to 0% (0 blocks) |
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| 07:03.43 | cafuego | simonrvn: No point in having 25Gb of disk unuseable my mythtv |
| 07:03.53 | sep | wsxws, name.tls is not a valid fqdn so no suprises there |
| 07:04.03 | sSiroSoriSs | maybe next time I should know better |
| 07:04.12 | simonrvn | cafuego: hehe true enough :) |
| 07:04.15 | wsxws | sep what means fqdn ? |
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| 07:04.21 | cafuego | sSiroSoriSs: You can have swap on a seperate *system* |
| 07:04.30 | dagbrown | You can have *NFS* swap if you're nuts |
| 07:04.35 | simonrvn | sSiroSoriSs: you can also go away |
| 07:04.36 | Intensity | Okay. (1) Should I enable DDC again? Or might it be helpful to disable it? (2) Did I run 915resolution correctly? I ran it, setting anything above 1024x768 to 1680x1050. |
| 07:04.42 | cafuego | stay away from my nuts |
| 07:04.47 | cafuego | freak |
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| 07:04.57 | sep | name.tld is a nonexsistant domain. the error message correctly say it does not exsist. |
| 07:05.08 | cafuego | !fqdn |
| 07:05.08 | dpkg | hmm... fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 07:05.12 | Bogus8 | sSiroSoriSs: it's actually better to have your swap on a different drive |
| 07:05.20 | Bogus8 | (well the lesser used drive) |
| 07:05.22 | wsxws | sed i know that but i dont know where to set it |
| 07:05.22 | x_link | cafuego: Did you see my output? |
| 07:05.26 | cafuego | x_link: Yes |
| 07:05.34 | dagbrown | !dpkg |
| 07:05.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 07:05.34 | x_link | Okej. |
| 07:05.38 | sSiroSoriSs | double the bandwidth?? |
| 07:05.48 | cafuego | Bogus8: As long as it's on a different (pata) controllers. |
| 07:05.51 | wsxws | sed my i query you ? |
| 07:05.59 | wsxws | may |
| 07:06.04 | simonrvn | wsxws: man sed |
| 07:06.05 | Bogus8 | cafuego: or channel |
| 07:06.15 | sep | wsxws, no. speak in the channel |
| 07:06.20 | vaq | Is it possible to set how many secounds hdparm should preform -tT test? I can't seem to find it in the man pages |
| 07:06.22 | Bogus8 | cafuego: and I bet you would still see improvements on the same channel |
| 07:06.29 | Bogus8 | just not as much |
| 07:06.38 | cafuego | Bogus8: I doub it |
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| 07:06.48 | sep | wsxws, it's from a email. it's trying to lookup the domain part. so you may have sent a mail with bogus domain |
| 07:06.51 | simonrvn | vaq: because it doesn't support that |
| 07:06.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | What's the quickest, most light-weight ftp daemon around? I just want to set up a simple FTP server on this computer for the rest of my network to use |
| 07:06.58 | cafuego | Bogus8: The system can't speak to both master and slave simultaneously |
| 07:07.04 | Bogus8 | cafuego: the drive doesn't have to thrash around that way |
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| 07:07.17 | dagbrown | Dark_Apostrophe: pureftpd is pretty lightweight |
| 07:07.20 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: ssh :P |
| 07:07.23 | Bogus8 | switching logical drives is faster than phsyiclly moving a drive head |
| 07:07.26 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: failing that: vsftpd |
| 07:07.32 | dagbrown | failing that: mini_httpd |
| 07:07.41 | cafuego | Bogus8: Depends on the controller and drive, surely. |
| 07:07.47 | dagbrown | (can we leave ftp on the same shelf we left gopher on?) |
| 07:07.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | dagbrown, wols_: Thanks :) |
| 07:07.55 | simonrvn | hehhe |
| 07:07.57 | el_isma | Hi! What does Guarddog "disable firewall" command do? I don't get the same effect doing iptables -F . Is there any command to mimick what it does? |
| 07:08.26 | wsxws | okies, it a brand new set up server, there i snothing on it beside a minimum instalation of debian atch and that mailserverthingie. (installed according to this howto: http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/DebianMailserver3) like i said i can send (with auth working) and i also can log in to get emails (auth working again) but i cant recieve some |
| 07:08.36 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: ftpd is simply a huge hassle and not worth it |
| 07:08.44 | wols_ | I skipped mine in favour of sftp via ssh |
| 07:09.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: Okay, thanks :) |
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| 07:11.20 | dagbrown | Is there a default set of iptables rules? |
| 07:11.26 | wsxws | web-cyradm is wiorking fine too btw |
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| 07:11.44 | wsxws | on default iptables are off, arent they ? |
| 07:11.54 | sep | wsxws, are you sure that error message you posted was about that mail you failed to recive since it looked more like a failing to lookup a MX in order to send. |
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| 07:12.04 | liable | dagbrown: no |
| 07:12.05 | sarixe | wols_ : now how do i get it to stop adding xorg stuff to the list of updates? |
| 07:12.36 | wsxws | ah, i guess slowly i understad the kind of i error i get |
| 07:12.40 | wols_ | !Hold back |
| 07:12.44 | wsxws | where to set the name of the mailserver ? |
| 07:12.44 | sep | wsxws, ofcourse without context it's harder to tell |
| 07:12.53 | wsxws | my dns points at mail.name.tld |
| 07:12.59 | sarixe | wols_ : that didn't help much... |
| 07:13.02 | sarixe | lol |
| 07:13.02 | wols_ | there is a factoid for holding back stuff. but which? |
| 07:13.03 | sep | wsxws, that's clearly bogus |
| 07:13.08 | wsxws | and i didnt set some anem on my server |
| 07:13.09 | sep | !hold |
| 07:13.09 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 07:13.10 | sarixe | !holdback |
| 07:13.12 | wols_ | sarixe: but I feel better :) |
| 07:13.15 | sSiroSoriSs | double the bandwidth?? |
| 07:13.19 | sarixe | ah |
| 07:13.21 | sarixe | thanks, sep |
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| 07:13.40 | wols_ | wsxws: you set it in DNS |
| 07:13.49 | wols_ | wsxws: ie with your DNS server |
| 07:14.05 | wsxws | the dns is set somewhere else, its at godaddies |
| 07:14.12 | sep | wsxws, make sure your dns is correct (both forward and revers) and set the correct name in main.cf under the "myhostname = mail.mydomain.com" |
| 07:14.14 | wols_ | then ask them? |
| 07:14.23 | sep | wsxws, then fix it there |
| 07:14.29 | wsxws | myhostname |
| 07:14.35 | wsxws | thats it, i dont have that entry |
| 07:14.37 | sep | wsxws, dns is critical for correct mail operation |
| 07:14.52 | wols_ | postfix asks you for the domain name when you install it. should be alright |
| 07:15.01 | sep | wsxws, mail servers should compare what you have in your myhostname with what you have in your dns. so you have to fix both |
| 07:15.07 | Ghost | I'm new to debian and having a little problem. I'm trying to install ntp and all the sites I've read say to do "apt-get install ntpd-server ntpd-simple"...but everytime it says it can't find the packages. How do I get ntpd installed on my debian system? |
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| 07:15.10 | simonrvn | s,mail,, |
| 07:15.22 | simonrvn | Ghost: ntp |
| 07:15.53 | wsxws | i got a problem at that point, this server has 6 ips and above 10 domains |
| 07:15.54 | simonrvn | Ghost: the packages were merged |
| 07:15.55 | Ghost | I tried that just now. :( apt-get install ntp. same thing. can't find package. I've tried tons of variatios. :( |
| 07:16.10 | simonrvn | then apt-cache search it |
| 07:16.13 | wsxws | i entered the main hostname when i set up postfix |
| 07:16.17 | sep | wsxws, pick 1 of the ip's to use for mail then |
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| 07:16.33 | wsxws | ? |
| 07:16.39 | wsxws | client need to be able to send email too |
| 07:16.46 | sysfault | simonrvn: 4.0 etch system runs what kernel, 2.4.x? |
| 07:16.56 | Ghost | ? |
| 07:16.58 | Ghost | hmm.... |
| 07:17.03 | simonrvn | Ghost: ntp - Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs ; in sid |
| 07:17.08 | sep | wsxws, you can have several forward dns names point to the same ip. but the revers of that ip should point to the real servers hostname (and that hostname should forward correctly) and be specified in the myhostname variable |
| 07:17.13 | simonrvn | sysfault: 2.6 by default |
| 07:17.57 | wols_ | Ghost: your sources.list is misconfigured. lacks an entry. pastebin it |
| 07:18.16 | Ghost | where do I find teh sources.list? |
| 07:18.21 | sysfault | hmm, i'm using an outdated system, i changed my sources.list and did an update, when i went to run dist-upgrade, it said nothing needed to be upgraded. |
| 07:18.24 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.26 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.30 | sysfault | still running a 2.4.x kernel. |
| 07:18.51 | sep | wsxws, example mail.somevirtualdomain.com -> 127.0.0.2 revers of 127.0.0.2 -> mail.domain.com then mail.domain.com should point to 127.0.0.2 it's actualy quite simple |
| 07:18.52 | wols_ | kernel is not upgraded automatically. install a new one explicitly. what cpu do you have? |
| 07:19.03 | Ghost | http://pastebin.com/d1c53d081 |
| 07:19.44 | sarixe | wols_ : i'm looking at the ATI site, and it says it supports xorg 7.2 |
| 07:19.53 | sarixe | this is 8.40.4 |
| 07:19.57 | sarixe | which i was trying to install |
| 07:20.00 | sysfault | http://rafb.net/p/zYvGL835.html, thats my souces.list. |
| 07:20.00 | sarixe | but the build failed |
| 07:20.04 | wols_ | sarixe: they might but possibly not debian |
| 07:20.05 | sysfault | sources.list |
| 07:20.16 | sarixe | wols_ : it was Debian/lenny package. |
| 07:20.38 | wols_ | Ghost: add an entry for etch via http that is not security.debian.org. an entry for main |
| 07:20.47 | wols_ | !tell Ghost about sources.list |
| 07:21.03 | wols_ | sarixe: error messages are a wonderful thing |
| 07:21.10 | wsxws | sep the main domain is set, the reverse dns is set too |
| 07:21.13 | sarixe | totally... i'll go get you one |
| 07:21.15 | sarixe | but first |
| 07:21.18 | wols_ | sysfault: I asked you something |
| 07:21.20 | wsxws | but i gues i know where to lok for the error now |
| 07:21.26 | sarixe | how do i unhold the packages? |
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| 07:21.41 | sysfault | wols_: didn't know if that statement was directed towards me. |
| 07:21.55 | wsxws | in main.cf normaly all domains has to be added after myhostname, right ? |
| 07:21.58 | wols_ | You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. |
| 07:22.11 | sarixe | ah |
| 07:22.15 | sysfault | wols_: old intel pIII system. |
| 07:22.17 | liable | or aptitude install |
| 07:22.26 | wols_ | wsxws: no |
| 07:22.38 | Ghost | thank you wols. :) |
| 07:22.39 | wols_ | wsxws: e.g. I have "localhost.localdomain" for my hostname |
| 07:23.00 | wols_ | sysfault: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 07:23.34 | wols_ | wsxws: but in mydestination= I have a ton of entries. for all of them I accept mail |
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| 07:23.42 | Ghost | worked! you rock, wols! thank you very much. :) |
| 07:24.22 | sep | wsxws, only your main name |
| 07:24.32 | wsxws | ah, my destination it is |
| 07:24.34 | sep | wsxws, the one that shows when you do a reverse lookup |
| 07:24.44 | wsxws | the problem is i have just one entry there for mydestination |
| 07:24.52 | wsxws | rest is done via mysql |
| 07:25.09 | sep | wsxws, that's not a problem |
| 07:25.29 | wsxws | so i guees web-cyradm didt do the right entries while edding the new domain is mysql ? |
| 07:25.35 | sysfault | wols_: will udev detect my wireless mouse and kb? install the 2.6 image removes hotplug. |
| 07:25.46 | sarixe | wols_ : somehow it worked this time :D |
| 07:25.59 | liable | sysfault: are you running sarge? |
| 07:26.17 | wols_ | sysfault: yes. the wireless doesn't bother the PC, for the PC it's a ps2 or usb device as usual |
| 07:26.25 | sSiroSoriSs | double the bandwidth?? |
| 07:26.26 | wols_ | sarixe: gz |
| 07:26.26 | sysfault | running stable. |
| 07:26.30 | wsxws | sep i cant do a reverse dns for all domains, that would mean i had to have one ip /domain |
| 07:26.37 | sSiroSoriSs | have a look at that shit!!! |
| 07:26.41 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com !!!! |
| 07:26.43 | wsxws | the main hostname das dns and reverse dns |
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| 07:26.51 | sSiroSoriSs | what a wanker!? |
| 07:26.52 | liable | sysfault: stop fucking spamming that |
| 07:26.58 | wols_ | sSiroSoriSs: stop it |
| 07:26.58 | sarixe | wols_ : ty |
| 07:26.59 | sep | wsxws, revers dns is for the IP address |
| 07:27.03 | liable | we dont care |
| 07:27.04 | sSiroSoriSs | ? |
| 07:27.12 | sysfault | wasn't me. ;p |
| 07:27.15 | wsxws | sep, i now and as i told you i have 6 ips |
| 07:27.19 | wols_ | sSiroSoriSs: either you stop spamming this channel or you are made to stop sooner or later |
| 07:27.21 | sep | and it should point to the name of the server. and you can have multiple forwards (from each domain) that points to the same ip |
| 07:27.23 | liable | sysfault: sorry, wrong nick |
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| 07:27.29 | sSiroSoriSs | those journal entries are phat as |
| 07:27.34 | wsxws | the main ip point to the main host (me) and the revers of that is worjking fine too |
| 07:27.39 | wols_ | sSiroSoriSs: do you have a debian question? |
| 07:27.40 | sysfault | ok, lets see how this works. |
| 07:27.41 | sysfault | brb |
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| 07:27.58 | sander_ | Hi.. How do I see that both my processors are working on a dual core prosessor? |
| 07:28.00 | sSiroSoriSs | is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 07:28.08 | sep | !better |
| 07:28.08 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 07:28.19 | wols_ | sarixe: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:28.29 | wols_ | sander_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:28.33 | liable | or top will show both |
| 07:28.37 | wsxws | before i used a panel called pdamin and als dns-settings worked fine |
| 07:28.50 | wols_ | wsxws: you like web-cyradm? |
| 07:28.51 | liable | err, htop |
| 07:28.53 | wsxws | i didnt change any dns-settings, i just set up the server without a panle |
| 07:28.59 | sander_ | wols_, /proc/cpuinfo only shows one processor |
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| 07:29.07 | wols_ | sander_: what kernel? |
| 07:29.08 | wsxws | wols_ if this thingie would work i guess yes |
| 07:29.26 | sarixe | wols_ : actually, it didn't work. it was m-a a-i fglrx which wasn't working |
| 07:29.28 | sander_ | wols: 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 07:29.39 | sarixe | wols_ : want the log in a pastebin |
| 07:29.41 | sarixe | ? |
| 07:29.41 | wols_ | sander_: that's your problem. get a kernel for your cpu. what cpu is it? |
| 07:29.50 | wols_ | sander_: I thought it worked? |
| 07:29.57 | sander_ | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ |
| 07:29.58 | liable | hehe |
| 07:30.11 | wsxws | is there a more wuit chanel where i could paste some thing into ? |
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| 07:30.12 | wols_ | sander_: get a k7 (or k8 if x86-64) kernel |
| 07:30.17 | sarixe | wols_ : no, that was the package building that worked, which i remembered incorrectly that wasn't working. |
| 07:30.19 | wsxws | wuit = quiet |
| 07:30.21 | wols_ | !flood |
| 07:30.21 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 07:30.46 | wols_ | sarixe: linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 07:30.52 | sep | !paster |
| 07:30.52 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 07:31.05 | sep | wsxws, use the paster |
| 07:31.06 | liable | did i miss something? |
| 07:31.07 | sarixe | wols_ : careful with that auto nick completion :P |
| 07:31.10 | wols_ | wsxws: generally pastebin is prefered instead of #flood |
| 07:31.25 | wols_ | sarixe: I fuck it up about 50% of the time. ask the regulars :P |
| 07:31.31 | sarixe | lol |
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| 07:33.22 | sander_ | wols_, thanks :-) |
| 07:33.54 | sep | wsxws, i do not know how to deal with multiple revers dns vs multiple helo |
| 07:34.05 | sep | that's why i'd say i'd use postfix on 1 ip only |
| 07:34.16 | sep | since there is no need to use different ones |
| 07:34.33 | Intensity | I'm still working on getting 1680x1050 running on the external monitor. I've deduced that it's choosing a refresh rate of 60.0, but I have no idea why the monitor is not accepting it (or which parameters it's not liking). Could it be that the appropriate refresh rate is 50.0? |
| 07:35.04 | sarixe | wols_ : http://pastebin.com/m2785a47f |
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| 07:35.24 | wols_ | sep: MX records |
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| 07:35.29 | dagbrown | Intensity: Is it internal on a laptop, or DVI or VGA? |
| 07:36.06 | Intensity | dagbrown: It's an external LCD monitor connected by VGA. A Lenovo 6622. The driver I'm using is i810. |
| 07:36.07 | wols_ | Intensity: if your power system uses 60Hz thenit sounds about right |
| 07:36.17 | wols_ | Intensity: pastebin your xorg log |
| 07:36.22 | sSiroSoriSs | sounds kool |
| 07:36.28 | sarixe | wols_ : me? |
| 07:36.35 | sSiroSoriSs | like the time i baught my computer upgrade |
| 07:36.43 | wols_ | sarixe: is your name Intensity ? |
| 07:36.51 | wols_ | !ops sSiroSoriSs is OT trolling |
| 07:36.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: sSiroSoriSs is OT trolling |
| 07:36.54 | Intensity | wols_: I'll attempt to pastebin from a text console. I think it's possible... I'll find out shortly... |
| 07:36.58 | sarixe | <wols_> sarixe: I fuck it up about 50% of the time. ask the regulars :P |
| 07:37.02 | sSiroSoriSs | wtf wols_ ? |
| 07:37.06 | dagbrown | Intensity: Do you have a DVI connector handy? |
| 07:37.10 | sSiroSoriSs | stop hassleing me |
| 07:37.27 | wols_ | sarixe: eithe get a patche somewhere or use an older kernel |
| 07:37.32 | sSiroSoriSs | ops!!! what we have here is another AOztralian |
| 07:37.34 | sarixe | O.o |
| 07:37.36 | wsxws | i pasted it |
| 07:37.42 | sarixe | too late for this... i'm sleeping |
| 07:37.44 | sarixe | byes |
| 07:38.19 | Intensity | dagbrown: Possibly (I'd have to dig...). What are you suggesting? |
| 07:38.43 | dagbrown | Intensity: DVI means not having to care about "refresh rates" ever again. |
| 07:39.46 | Intensity | dagbrown: So would I need a VGA to DVI converter? The monitor seems to accept both inputs. |
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| 07:40.09 | Intensity | wols: Still working on the pastebin. I think I can use lynx, and do one screen at a time... |
| 07:40.09 | dagbrown | Intensity: Don't you have a DVI output on your computer? |
| 07:40.47 | wols_ | !paste without x |
| 07:40.48 | dpkg | without x: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 07:40.56 | Intensity | dagbrown: No, it's a laptop. |
| 07:40.56 | wols_ | !pastewithoutx |
| 07:40.57 | dpkg | it has been said that pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 07:41.13 | dagbrown | Intensity: Oh. Yuck. I guess HDMI is too much to ask for too, eh? |
| 07:41.25 | wols_ | Intensity: good pastebins allow you to uzpload files |
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| 07:41.41 | Intensity | wols_: I'm using screen... It should work. |
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| 07:43.07 | philll | guten morgen ^^ |
| 07:43.07 | wsxws | http://paste.debian.net/34994 <<<-- according to the mailq-output i still think that there must be configfile to be edit somewhere |
| 07:43.25 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com !!!! |
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| 07:43.50 | wsxws | what whe syntax for find to search for a textstring in a bunch of files ? |
| 07:44.02 | wols_ | grep string * |
| 07:44.16 | Intensity | wols_: Cool, got it now. :) It's at http://pastebin.com/d2d322606 |
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| 07:44.51 | dagbrown | sSiroSoriSs: Now you can get lost. |
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| 07:45.41 | cinex | 'lo |
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| 07:46.42 | liable | gimme ops! |
| 07:47.10 | Coweater | rtfm |
| 07:47.29 | liable | huh? |
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| 07:48.43 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com !!!! |
| 07:48.59 | liable | sSiroSoriSs: stop being a tard |
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| 07:49.55 | wols_ | liable: too much to ask for. and no ops here |
| 07:49.59 | Intensity | wols_: Okay, so the debugging technique I have (and it's the only option I can think of at the moment) is to reduce HorizSync and VertRefresh until I get something that will fall within the appropriate bounds for the monitor. The monitor has different degrees of severity, it seems, regarding the "input signal out of range". Sometimes it will display that and still show the screen. And at other times it will only display that warning |
| 07:49.59 | Intensity | (but won't show the screen). I've confirmed that, when I use Option "NoDDC", I can tweak HorizSync and VertRefresh enough so that my requested mode 1680x1050 isn't considered to be available. So I know that I'm having an effect. Still, no luck. |
| 07:49.59 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.50 | Ind[y] | A "Copy" and then a "Paste", cover the concept of "cp -a foo bar"? |
| 07:52.33 | liable | Ind[y]: um, a rephrase of that (question?) might help |
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| 07:52.53 | Ind[y] | I mean, the graphical "Copy" and "Paste" (through Nautilus, GNOME), does include the "-a" option of the similar "cp" command? |
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| 07:53.26 | liable | easy to find out |
| 07:54.04 | Ind[y] | Look, I want to do a "cp -a foo bar/foo". If I copy and paste it through Nautilus (GNOME), will I have the same results (the effects of -a)? |
| 07:54.26 | liable | look, ls -l is your friend |
| 07:55.35 | Ind[y] | liable: I saw the -a option, and I think, (logically) that graphical copy-paste does these things. |
| 07:56.34 | liable | Ind[y]: so try it and do a ls -la and see if it does or not |
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| 07:57.02 | Ind[y] | ok |
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| 07:57.51 | Intensity | Is there a way I can effectively ask the monitor "What parameters are out of bounds when you're telling me that the input signal is out of range?"? I'd like to know if it's the refresh rate, or something else, because it's clearly complaining, and yet on the other hand, the video card is happy to produce what it's producing. When I attempt to get 1280x1024 running, the monitor complains with the same warning, but it still provides me |
| 07:57.51 | Intensity | with output on the screen (the warning travels around the screen). But can I find out from the logfile what parameter is most likely incorrect? I'm guessing that since it's choosing 60 for the refresh rate that it's probably that, but if not, I don't know what's left. |
| 07:57.51 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:59.48 | Intensity | I can run xdpyinfo in a terminal. Or perhaps xvidtune has a way to dump information. |
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| 08:01.18 | wols_ | Intensity: read-edid |
| 08:01.20 | dagbrown | Intensity: Could be the horizontal refresh being off. |
| 08:01.43 | dagbrown | Last time I tried to get a VGA monitor working with an Intel chipset video card, I wound up just saying "the Hell with this!" and buying a GeForce. |
| 08:02.37 | KaOS-bEat | hi all, my debian server stops responding after working for a while. I then have to reboot. memory keeps filling until everything stalls and /sbin/shutdown gives I/O-error |
| 08:02.52 | KaOS-bEat | I don't have anythiung strange running on the box |
| 08:03.02 | KaOS-bEat | php5/apache2/mysql |
| 08:03.06 | KaOS-bEat | that's about it |
| 08:03.09 | Intensity | wols_: Okay. Would it be helpful for me to run read-edid and paste the results? |
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| 08:03.52 | simonrvn | i love debian but sometimes this binary blob shit goes too far; that's what non-free is for |
| 08:03.54 | wols_ | Intensity: it might be helpful for you to know what the monitor claims to support |
| 08:04.18 | x_link | Do I need anything special to play videos in Kaffeine? |
| 08:04.30 | x_link | The windows is just black. |
| 08:04.35 | dagbrown | KaOS-bEat: Bad disk? |
| 08:04.56 | liable | something has a memory leak by the sounds of it |
| 08:04.59 | KaOS-bEat | could be... I get starnge messages about I/O all the time |
| 08:05.12 | KaOS-bEat | but why is the RAM filling up then? |
| 08:05.15 | Intensity | wols_: I read the PDF file for the monitor and it gives the same specs that X auto-probes for. The values it gives for HorizSync and VertRefresh agree. |
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| 08:05.43 | liable | KaOS-bEat: if you are getting io errors, then its a bad disk or driver |
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| 08:06.32 | liable | KaOS-bEat: run top/htop and see whats eating memory |
| 08:06.37 | KaOS-bEat | ok... so if it's a bad disk, inserting a new one and DD /dev/old > /dev/hdanew might save me right |
| 08:06.40 | liable | over a period of time |
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| 08:07.22 | KaOS-bEat | liable: that's the whole weird thing, top shows nothing strange, but vmstat 10 shows me my memory is filling up fast |
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| 08:08.18 | dondelelcaro | KaOS-bEat: uh... what line of vmstat are you reading? |
| 08:08.28 | KaOS-bEat | free |
| 08:08.46 | dondelelcaro | KaOS-bEat: just looking at free isn't useful. You have to look at free+buff+cache |
| 08:08.56 | dondelelcaro | !free memory |
| 08:08.56 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 08:08.59 | KaOS-bEat | ahh oops |
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| 08:09.01 | wols_ | and then to compare it with your xorg log output |
| 08:09.01 | wols_ | another thing to try is to reduce resolutions and check if it works then |
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| 08:09.50 | Intensity | wols_: With 1280x1024 it shows the screen, but the monitor still gives me a warning and the warning stays on the screen. |
| 08:09.55 | KaOS-bEat | so then my conclusion was wrong, and It' will be the disk |
| 08:10.00 | KaOS-bEat | thans |
| 08:10.03 | KaOS-bEat | thanks |
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| 08:11.15 | Intensity | wols_: Okay, get-edid reports that DotClock is 119 and vfreq is 59.883. Is it possible that the vfreq is slightly off from 60.0 and that's causing the monitor to complain? |
| 08:11.30 | Intensity | wols_: Or, is DotClock more likely to be incorrect? |
| 08:11.35 | wols_ | not really. |
| 08:11.44 | wols_ | what is your dotclock when you go 1650x1050? |
| 08:11.56 | dondelelcaro | KaOS-bEat: np; running free; and looking at the +/- buffers line makes it pretty clear. |
| 08:12.12 | Intensity | wols_: Yeah, I just also noticed that DotClock up to 150 is supported. The stats I gave above are for 1650x1050. I hadn't tried to see what is reported for 1280x1024. I can try that now... |
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| 08:15.35 | Intensity | wols_: It gives 135.00 when I go to 1280x1024. |
| 08:16.33 | vaq | Is it possible to set how many secounds hdparm should preform -tT test? I can't seem to find it in the man pages |
| 08:16.48 | wols_ | that means your videocard's dtoclock is too high when on 1650x1050 |
| 08:16.50 | wols_ | imho |
| 08:17.07 | wols_ | so set a lower refreshrate there somehow. set it at 60Hz |
| 08:17.17 | Intensity | wols_: Let me re-run something. I'm getting confusing results I need to confirm. |
| 08:17.18 | wols_ | vaq: you asked before and you were told: no |
| 08:17.48 | wols_ | vaq: asking several times won't change that |
| 08:17.56 | Pavel | Oh, for a Firefox/Iceweasel extension that blacklists typosquatter and TLD-squatter sites! |
| 08:18.16 | wols_ | Pavel: how do you decide X is a squatter? |
| 08:18.39 | Intensity | wols_: Strange. get-edid is reporting information for 1680x1050 even though I'm running X under 1280x1024 and I've temporarily set 915resolution to use 1280x1024. That's the confusing part I was mentioning above. I would have expected get-edid to show the information for 1280x1024. |
| 08:18.42 | Pavel | wols_: If there were an easy answer to that, someone would have already made it. |
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| 08:20.05 | ExxKA | Hey Guys.. how do i set a max login attempt and then a time to wait for a specific hostname? cause im getting bruteforced on my root account.. |
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| 08:20.18 | Guerin | !fail2ban |
| 08:20.19 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with ssh and iptables, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 08:20.23 | Guerin | grr |
| 08:20.35 | Guerin | oh, a bit slow but got there in the end |
| 08:21.00 | liable | ExxKA: dont allow root ssh logins |
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| 08:21.06 | liable | thats a good start |
| 08:21.07 | wsxws | is there a howto for setting up a mailserver somewhere, which can be understand and setup without 2 million additional questions ? |
| 08:21.09 | Pavel | wols_: Probably the same way Adblock does it --- heuristics. Most squatter sites are nearly identical. |
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| 08:21.19 | Intensity | wols_: Is the dotclock the first parameter to the xvidtune -show? |
| 08:21.26 | ExxKA | liable, how can i login myself, then!? |
| 08:21.36 | wols_ | there is no heuristics in adblock. at most there is regex. |
| 08:21.36 | liable | wsxws: the postfix isp howto is pretty good |
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| 08:22.08 | liable | ExxKA: as a user |
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| 08:22.08 | ExxKA | I'll look into fail2ban |
| 08:22.15 | ExxKA | liable, oh.. so i should just su to root, from a user? |
| 08:22.16 | ExxKA | neat.. |
| 08:22.19 | Pavel | wols_: OK, scratch that... For some reason, I thought there were. |
| 08:22.22 | Guerin | ExxKA: for a quick fix, run your sshd on port 18973 |
| 08:22.25 | wols_ | wsxws: wsxws http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ |
| 08:22.47 | ExxKA | Guerin do i change that in the sshd_config, or!? |
| 08:22.50 | liable | thats the one |
| 08:22.53 | Guerin | ExxKA: yes. |
| 08:23.12 | ExxKA | Thank you liable and Guerin |
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| 08:23.20 | liable | no root and key login is enough to be pretty damn safe |
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| 08:23.34 | Guerin | my root password is unbreakable! |
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| 08:23.48 | ExxKA | :P |
| 08:23.55 | wols_ | what a bunch of BS: http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=41788 if this were true, why are there no fast barcelonas on launch? or why don't the existing 65nm parts OC as good as intels? |
| 08:23.56 | Guerin | it's so unbreakable I could tell you the first three characters and you STILL wouldn't crack it! |
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| 08:24.10 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:25.01 | zu22 | Guerin: i use quantum encryption! |
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| 08:25.27 | Intensity | wols_: Okay, so I think it's using 146.20 for the dotclock, if the first parameter in the xvidtune -show output is referring to the dotclock. Yet, I'm confused as to what get-edid is attempting to show, since it is giving a DotClock of 119 and is always referring to the 1680x1050 mode regardless of what mode I'm trying to run. Any idea why get-edid is doing that? |
| 08:25.34 | zu22 | wols_: Bruce is the man |
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| 08:25.46 | Pavel | wols_: Still, most typosquatter (and particularly TLD-squatter) sites have one of, maybe, a score distinct structures. Of course, that leads to an arms race. |
| 08:26.00 | ExxKA | Guerin, i just got another attempt on port 54002 with the comment ssh2.. Do i have 2 different ssh protocols running!? |
| 08:27.00 | wols_ | there are 2 ssh protocol versions yes |
| 08:27.04 | Intensity | wols_: Perhaps get-edid is talking about how the monitor would *like* to have its parameters set, whereas xvidtune is showing how X is actually setting them in the non-working configuration... |
| 08:27.05 | wols_ | but you should only use ssh2 |
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| 08:27.30 | wols_ | Intensity: yes, read-edid tells you what the monitor is capable of |
| 08:27.44 | Intensity | wols_: I see. It's giving a quite different DotClock, then. Much lower. |
| 08:27.59 | ExxKA | wols_ so by default port 22 is ssh 1? |
| 08:28.12 | Intensity | wols_: So I could create a ModeLine according to what it's giving me, and then would I use the Option "NoDDC" once I've set the overrides? |
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| 08:29.10 | wols_ | ExxKA: no. both protocols run on port 22 |
| 08:29.16 | wols_ | Intensity: something like that |
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| 08:29.46 | ExxKA | wols_.. Then it's kinda strange that the protocol is listening to port 54005 |
| 08:30.20 | ExxKA | and a lot of logs show up on google with the same attempt to the same port.. |
| 08:30.27 | Pavel | wols_: Alternatively, a manual distributed blacklisting system: each participant generates a PGP key, signs, and exports the blacklist. A user of the plugin, when hitting a false positive (and double-checking the URL), clicks a button to downgrade the trustworthiness of the keys that had it blacklisted. Key generation, blacklist publication, and blacklist importing can happen without user interaction. |
| 08:31.00 | Pavel | wols_: Each user maintains his or her own trust database. |
| 08:31.14 | liable | ExxKA: eh, your ssh daemon sure as hell shouldnt be listening to that port. paste the logs that you are talking about |
| 08:31.40 | ExxKA | sure.. do you guys have a pastebin? |
| 08:31.55 | liable | channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 08:33.22 | Intensity | wols_: Okay. I'm quite confused. I manually specify the Mode (as instructed by get-edid), with the DotClock parameter set at 119.0. Yet, xvidtune -show is giving 186.76 as its first parameter! So, either the first parameter of xvidtune -show is not the DotClock, or it is the DotClock, and it remain a mystery why it's not equal to what I requested. |
| 08:33.40 | ExxKA | http://paste.debian.net/34996 |
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| 08:34.12 | Pavel | wols_: Of course, such a system would be vulnerable to being flooded with bad blacklists: each user has to downgrade them, and until then, they take up storage for everyone, and users' time. One way to address a part of that is to have new blacklists spend some time being tested against the sites the user visits, to see if they would have generated false positives, before being activated. |
| 08:34.22 | ExxKA | Okay.. i can see in my config that i am using protocol 2 :D |
| 08:34.36 | Pavel | wols_: Someone needs to implement that. |
| 08:35.04 | Intensity | wols_: Plus, it's not showing +hsync and +vsync even though I specified them. Perhaps the format of how I'm entering the Mode (I pasted from get-edid) is not correct. |
| 08:35.18 | ExxKA | what are rhosts and shost, in regards of the ssh config.. is the allowed client hostnames? |
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| 08:36.13 | liable | ExxKA: thats there port number, your server is on 2261 |
| 08:36.21 | ExxKA | okay. fine :) |
| 08:36.24 | ExxKA | Im all good then |
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| 08:37.39 | hxu | Hi! I'm going to ask a resource limit problem here, because ubuntu is based on debian, and nobody in ubuntu channel answers my question. |
| 08:37.41 | liable | ExxKA: really, disable root login though |
| 08:37.52 | hxu | Hi! I'm going to ask a resource limit problem about ubuntu, because ubuntu is based on debian, and nobody in ubuntu channel answers my question. |
| 08:38.00 | Intensity | Okay, now I'm encountering a purely software mystery here. No matter what I set for the first parameter in the Modeline, the xvidtune -show output is giving the same thing. That doesn't make sense. Is it being overridden? |
| 08:38.04 | vaq | Could anybody mention another network filesystem than NFS that performes better? |
| 08:38.11 | ExxKA | liable i will :) |
| 08:38.14 | zu22 | vaq: AFS |
| 08:38.27 | ExxKA | And then i'll install a bruteforce defense :) |
| 08:38.46 | zu22 | vaq: /j #openafs |
| 08:38.53 | vaq | zu22: Thanks |
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| 08:39.51 | Intensity | Now I see a possible error here. It says that it's attempting to use 75Hz refresh rate for mode "1680x1050". Would that decision of X change the DotClock value? |
| 08:39.51 | hxu | My question is: In include/linux/mqueue.h, the space limit of per-uid mqueue is set 819200 bytes, but you always get -1(which means infinity) for both soft and hard limit of mqueue in ubuntu 2.6.20-16.29, any idea? |
| 08:40.16 | hxu | My question is: In include/linux/mqueue.h, the space limit of per-uid mqueue is set 819200 bytes, but you always get -1(which means infinity) for both soft and hard limit of mqueue by getrlimit(2) in ubuntu 2.6.20-16.29, any idea? |
| 08:40.44 | wsxws | hm |
| 08:40.48 | liable | hxu: asking about ubuntu is bad enough, but spamming the channel wont win you many friends |
| 08:40.49 | hxu | I'm very confused about this, please help me out. |
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| 08:41.14 | azeem | hxu: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 08:41.16 | wsxws | my mailserver works with the main ip (and main domain with reverse dns) now |
| 08:41.30 | hxu | azeem: I asked, but nobody would answer |
| 08:41.32 | liable | #kernel is prolly a btter place |
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| 08:41.44 | wsxws | but how to make it work with the other 5 ips and other domains too ? |
| 08:42.20 | hxu | liable: But I think people in #kernel would say "go ask in #ubuntu, cause they patched the kernel" |
| 08:42.21 | azeem | hxu: that's no reason to ask here |
| 08:42.37 | mike__ | Is there a debian Realtek ID 268 fix? |
| 08:42.46 | hxu | azeem: Isn't Ubuntu very close related to Debian? |
| 08:42.51 | azeem | besides, your question would be off-topic here even if it was about Debian |
| 08:42.51 | liable | hxu: but then you could counter with why they might have done so. |
| 08:42.56 | mike__ | intel sound,Toshiba A200 Laptop |
| 08:43.00 | wsxws | sed ? |
| 08:43.02 | azeem | hxu: are you going to argue about it? |
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| 08:43.12 | Intensity | Okay, apparently more progress. By moving VertRefresh to 59-61, it's driving the apparent DotClock value to a lower value of 145.96. And it's also apparently rewriting the Modeline to be different from what I originally specified. Can I advise X to use directly my Modeline without overrides? |
| 08:43.13 | azeem | hxu: we don't support Ubuntu here, end of discussion |
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| 08:43.25 | liable | hxu: its a kernel question at any rate, if you dont get help, ask the ubuntu-kernel mailing list |
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| 08:44.44 | liable | hxu: little pointer, dont come in here and argue the 'ubuntu is debian' argument :) |
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| 08:47.00 | zu22 | !ubuntu |
| 08:47.00 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 08:47.10 | liable | !lose zu22 |
| 08:47.10 | dpkg | zu22: You Lose. |
| 08:47.23 | zu22 | liable: i'm too slow heh |
| 08:47.32 | wols_ | wsxws: why do you care about other ips? you set the MX record for a domain and that's it (postfix also needs to handle the domain too of course) |
| 08:47.49 | wsxws | i care cause it doesnt work |
| 08:47.57 | Intensity | Okay, now my difficulties are representative of software inconsistency. In other words, anyone should be able to reproduce them. Simply, I'm not getting X to choose the ModeLine I've given to it manually. The DotClock is quite different. Is there a better way to override? And does that method have to do with using Option "NoDDC"? |
| 08:48.01 | wols_ | your "doesn't work" has nothing to do with IPs |
| 08:48.15 | wols_ | wsxws: is the MX record for the other domains set properly? |
| 08:48.15 | wsxws | i have a main ip and a main host, the main host has reverse dns and for that host and ip the mailserver works |
| 08:48.28 | petemc | or an A record... |
| 08:48.47 | wols_ | that's fine. for additional domains, you simply set up a MX record pointing to your main hostname |
| 08:48.50 | wsxws | the server ran before fine, just with a opanel on it which i dont linke nomore |
| 08:48.55 | wsxws | i didnt change any dns settis |
| 08:48.58 | wsxws | settings |
| 08:49.00 | wols_ | and make sure postfix accepts mail for them and puts it into the right inbox |
| 08:49.10 | wsxws | ah |
| 08:49.16 | jeremy_g | can you guys recommend a book on gaining a good understanding of the debian pacakage management systems |
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| 08:49.33 | wols_ | jeremy_g: there is no book afaik |
| 08:49.38 | wsxws | u think i got to point the mx record not to the domains ip ? u meian i got to point the mx-record to the main ip instead ? |
| 08:49.39 | wols_ | there are various howtos however |
| 08:49.41 | wols_ | !apt |
| 08:49.41 | dpkg | somebody said apt was Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 08:49.52 | wols_ | wsxws: yes |
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| 08:50.07 | wsxws | i didnt have to do this before but ill test that for sure |
| 08:50.17 | petemc | wsxws: a mx record points to an A record |
| 08:50.21 | wols_ | that's how it usually works tho |
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| 08:51.52 | sSiroSoriSs | have a look at that shit!!! |
| 08:51.53 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com !!!! |
| 08:52.04 | wsxws | <petemc> wsxws: a mx record points to an A record <<-- at godaddies = yes, at hosteurope for example = no (an mx has an own ipentry there) |
| 08:52.14 | Intensity | wols_: Since I'm experiencing a software issue now, do you know why setting a Modeline with a first parameter of 119.0 is causing xvidtune -show to output 186.76 as its first parameter? |
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| 08:52.31 | petemc | wsxws: no, mx records pointing to ips is invalid |
| 08:52.57 | _evo_ | right |
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| 08:54.08 | wols_ | Intensity: no clue. imho your videocard uses a shitty refresh rate on the vga link. which your monitor really doesn't like |
| 08:54.46 | zu22 | Intensity: buy a better video card and see if the monitor problem goes away |
| 08:54.53 | wsxws | penma i have several domains at several hosters. i alwayse use to use the hosters dns-controls and at hosteurope for instance the mx record isnt kind of canem, ist entered with ip over there (like an arecord). it one entry with priority, alias and ip. but anyway, they work fine, i just test out pointing the mail at the main ip now |
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| 08:54.55 | Intensity | zu22: It's a laptop. |
| 08:55.01 | sSiroSoriSs | did you know that ww2 fucked up all of europe? |
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| 08:55.18 | Intensity | zu22: Plus, at the moment, my main concern is the apparent software inconsistency I'm observing. |
| 08:55.19 | petemc | wsxws: no, that wouldnt work fine |
| 08:55.47 | zu22 | Intensity: i have a laptop too and mine is old, read-edid doesn't work on it :P |
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| 08:56.44 | Intensity | zu22: I'd like to be able to override, and give a Modeline, but it's just not being observed. I'm guessing the i810 driver is basically overwriting what I give. And, there's no indication that read-edid is not working for me. In fact, it looks like that is one of the things that *is* working. It's giving a suggested lower refresh rate. But it's being able to get X to use that that's the problem right now, it seems. |
| 08:56.50 | zu22 | sSiroSoriSs: please take it elsewhere, this channel is for the discussion of Debian |
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| 08:57.33 | simonrvn | sSiroSoriSs has been here for hours, just this side of trolling... i would suggest a nice /ignore |
| 08:57.34 | zu22 | Intensity: be careful setting the sync rates, you don't want to damage the LCD |
| 08:57.50 | zu22 | simonrvn: ah, indeed |
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| 08:58.08 | wsxws | <petemc> wsxws: no, that wouldnt work fine <<-- than it must be an error that i just recieved the testemail |
| 08:58.57 | wsxws | jesus, id never had guessed that it will eb nessecary to point the mx to the main ip, but when i know this everything is fine now |
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| 08:59.01 | Intensity | zu22: I agree with you in general. However, here, I'm using the value that is given to me for the HorizSync and VertRefresh. When I said "lower refresh rate" below, I was indicating that it's "more sane" rather than "too low". It's a matter of forcing X to use that. Why isn't it simply using my Modeline? |
| 08:59.30 | wsxws | just another question, when i check for new emails it tell me to wait at least 1 minute. has anybody a clue where to change that ? |
| 08:59.35 | Intensity | And, basically, is it the case that the first parameter output of xvidtune -show is meant to be the same as the first parameter to my Modeline? That's an question that I don't know the answer to. |
| 08:59.56 | simonrvn | Intensity: name the modeline something unique, and use that name in the bottom section where the modes are set |
| 09:00.52 | simonrvn | Section "Screen" |
| 09:00.59 | Intensity | simonrvn: Okay, I'll try that approach... |
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| 09:01.05 | nuxien | hello |
| 09:01.24 | simonrvn | Intensity: so say you have a name of 1024x768-mine, use that in the Screen section |
| 09:01.29 | nuxien | i would like to know the differences between initramfs-tools and yaird |
| 09:01.55 | simonrvn | yaird has a funky name |
| 09:02.07 | Intensity | simonrvn: Would you suggest enabling or disabling DDC? |
| 09:02.25 | simonrvn | seriously, i haven't used it so couldn't say. they both do initrds |
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| 09:02.56 | simonrvn | Intensity: *shrug* probably doesn't matter; try either |
| 09:03.08 | zu22 | Intensity: yeah |
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| 09:03.40 | zu22 | Intensity: not sure why it isn't using your modeline, could be video card issue as wols_ suggested |
| 09:03.50 | DustyBin | i woke up this morning to my horror that my server has run out of space |
| 09:03.51 | simonrvn | initramfs-tools initrds are cpio archives and gzipped |
| 09:03.52 | DustyBin | /dev/hda1 15G 15G 0 100% / |
| 09:04.01 | simonrvn | fun |
| 09:04.03 | DustyBin | how can i find out what has used all the space |
| 09:04.17 | simonrvn | is that the only partition? |
| 09:04.21 | DustyBin | no there are more |
| 09:04.24 | simonrvn | start with du |
| 09:04.29 | nuxien | cd / && du -h --maxdepth=1 |
| 09:04.31 | ameyer | Intensity: what driver? |
| 09:04.36 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:04.55 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com !!!! |
| 09:05.09 | simonrvn | sSiroSoriSs: didn't i tell you to shut up already? |
| 09:05.27 | simonrvn | i swear that thing is a bot |
| 09:05.33 | Intensity | I first tried with DDC enabled (the default). It seemed to show 147.14 as the first parameter to the output of xvidtune -show. Can someone please confirm that (1) the first parameter output of xvidtune -show and (2) the first parameter given to ModeLine are meant to be the same thing and that they signify (3) refresh rate? I want to make things simple in my discussion, but I've not been sure of this since I've perceived differing |
| 09:05.33 | Intensity | results, but if someone could confirm this, it would help my understanding. |
| 09:05.33 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.44 | Intensity | ameyer: i810. |
| 09:06.18 | ameyer | hmm, I'm having horrible problems with intel on my ubuntu machine |
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| 09:06.28 | ameyer | luckily, i810 works |
| 09:06.38 | simonrvn | Intensity: this is mine, from working X: "1024x768" 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync |
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| 09:07.04 | ameyer | as far as I can tell, intel doesn't like to respect modelines |
| 09:07.12 | Intensity | Okay, so pretty much every run I've done is not respecting the ModeLine I give. |
| 09:07.26 | wsxws | when i check for new emails it tell me to wait at least 1 minute. has anybody a clue where to change that ? |
| 09:07.27 | Intensity | ameyer: Well, I'd like to get the Intel chip to do something that it wouldn't normally like. :) |
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| 09:07.40 | sSiroSoriSs | www.intel.com |
| 09:07.44 | DustyBin | 12G ./var <-- jeeze :-S |
| 09:08.02 | ameyer | Intensity: the "intel" driver doesn't seem to do anything sanely... |
| 09:08.04 | simonrvn | DustyBin: try apt-get autoclean |
| 09:08.15 | DustyBin | 2418640005 2007-08-20 10:00 syslog |
| 09:08.17 | DustyBin | JESUS LORDS |
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| 09:08.24 | Intensity | ameyer: There has to be a way to override it... It seems that the fundamental problem here is that the driver is not using the ModeLine that I give. |
| 09:08.25 | ameyer | and as far as I can tell, it doesn't like modelines |
| 09:08.27 | simonrvn | DustyBin: install logrotate |
| 09:08.38 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:08.56 | ameyer | Intensity: strange, since I switched monitors, i810's mostly worked, intel, not so much... |
| 09:08.59 | DustyBin | logrotate is already the newest version. |
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| 09:09.11 | simonrvn | DustyBin: i would also look at what would be filling it so much. and i meant that system, when i said "is that the only partition?" |
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| 09:09.24 | simonrvn | DustyBin: then it's not running or something |
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| 09:09.29 | ameyer | I wonder if $debian_version has i810 as a symlink to intel for |
| 09:09.32 | ameyer | erm |
| 09:09.35 | Intensity | ameyer: I'm confused. Is i810 the same as intel? Are you referring to two different drivers? |
| 09:09.38 | ameyer | for compatibility reasons |
| 09:09.40 | slap | how do i install quota.pm |
| 09:09.51 | ameyer | Intensity: two different drivers |
| 09:10.01 | Intensity | Could I use a different driver? Hmm... |
| 09:10.03 | simonrvn | Intensity: the 'intel' is newer version to i810 |
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| 09:10.12 | DustyBin | simonrvn: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2268 |
| 09:10.21 | ameyer | i810 is old and (as far as I know) no longer maintained, intel is newer and FUBAR'd |
| 09:10.36 | simonrvn | fun |
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| 09:11.05 | Intensity | ameyer: Okay. (1) How do I use and/or obtain the intel driver, and (2) What did you mean by FUBAR'd? |
| 09:11.15 | ameyer | 2) I can't get the intel driver (on ubuntu) to do anything but cause my monitor to be out of sync range |
| 09:11.50 | Intensity | I see. So then is the answer to (1) to obtain it from debian-testing? |
| 09:11.56 | simonrvn | DustyBin: /var /usr /home also depending on purpose, /var/spool and/or /var/lib have their own partitions as well as /var/log |
| 09:12.02 | ameyer | 1) it's probably in the xserver-xorg-video-intel package... |
| 09:12.12 | ameyer | not 100% sure if that exists in etch |
| 09:12.18 | simonrvn | DustyBin: to avoid such things as overfilled logs ;) |
| 09:12.31 | DustyBin | ill remember that in the future |
| 09:12.33 | Intensity | ameyer: Nope. It's not there. |
| 09:12.43 | ameyer | Intensity: FUBAR = fouled up beyond recognition |
| 09:12.46 | simonrvn | DustyBin: but you can run logrotate manually too to clean that up |
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| 09:13.06 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:13.11 | jelly-home | ameyer: it doesn't |
| 09:13.37 | DustyBin | i wonder why logrotate didnt rotate them automatically |
| 09:13.37 | zu22 | simonrvn: heh maybe it is a bit, after someone said intel it said "www.intel.com" |
| 09:13.40 | simonrvn | DustyBin: logrotate -v /etc/logrotate.conf ; you get to see what goes on, debugging, etc. |
| 09:13.49 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:13.50 | DustyBin | thanks |
| 09:13.54 | simonrvn | np |
| 09:13.58 | simonrvn | have fun |
| 09:14.09 | jelly-home | ameyer: just because it tries not to use BIOS for mode setting doesn't mean it's fubared. Both drivers work on my i915. |
| 09:14.16 | simonrvn | zu22: it also doesn't respond to me telling it ti STFU ;) |
| 09:14.21 | Intensity | ameyer: So, here's my strategy. On etch, I apt-get build-dep for the i810 driver on etch, and then I apt-get source the testing version of the driver source. Then on etch, I run ./debian/rules binary. Is that a good general strategy? |
| 09:14.43 | jelly-home | Intensity: it is |
| 09:14.48 | ameyer | jelly-home: when it does nothing but cause my monitor to not work, it's FUBAR |
| 09:15.01 | Intensity | jelly-home: Okay, thanks. |
| 09:15.15 | zu22 | simonrvn: lol |
| 09:15.22 | Intensity | Now, I could potentially use "vesa" also. Are there any other options that are available to me other than intel, i810, and vesa? |
| 09:15.22 | h3sp4wn | Intensity: remember it could need newer other things for full function |
| 09:15.30 | Intensity | (To potentially do 1680x1050) |
| 09:15.34 | ameyer | the new intel driver seems to not respect modelines anyway... |
| 09:15.56 | ameyer | vesa is horribly slow, avoid at all costs... |
| 09:15.57 | jelly-home | Intensity: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us -rfakeroot is a bit nicer than running the makefile manually, but basically the same thing |
| 09:15.58 | h3sp4wn | mesa whether you want xrandr 1.2 etc |
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| 09:16.18 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:16.23 | simonrvn | what is this mesa i started hearing about? |
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| 09:16.39 | simonrvn | i'm assuming it's based off mesa gl stuff |
| 09:17.19 | simonrvn | DustyBin: no run as a cron job, daily, from /etc/crontab via run-parts |
| 09:17.33 | Intensity | ameyer: I'll try to avoid it, but for now if it gets me the resolution I will be happy. In any case, all my work is being done through a VNC session, so that will probably be the bottleneck anyway. Is there any other driver other than Intel or vesa that might work? |
| 09:17.35 | simonrvn | !test |
| 09:17.35 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:17.46 | simonrvn | crap, almost a sec |
| 09:17.47 | linomix | !test |
| 09:17.47 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 09:18.02 | ameyer | Intensity: not as far as I know... |
| 09:18.12 | DustyBin | so that means on everyone who doesnt install logrotate and run it as a crun their systems logs will eventually get big too big |
| 09:18.17 | DustyBin | *cron |
| 09:18.33 | ameyer | you might be able to convince i7(whatever it is) to work, but probably not |
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| 09:19.21 | simonrvn | DustyBin: i think logrotate is installed pretty much by default |
| 09:19.34 | simonrvn | not in base, but gets pulled in from something else |
| 09:19.40 | Intensity | ameyer: Okay. Well, the good news is that when I've tried to use vesa for the 1280x1024 mode, it's actually shown it on the monitor just fine. But what the monitor decided to do with that is to show the mode in the upper left hand corner of the screen. So my grey X session was in the upper left corner, with the natural display of 1680x1050 of the LCD in effect. So potentially I could use the same parameters to suggest to the monitor |
| 09:19.40 | Intensity | to fill the screen. |
| 09:19.43 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.45 | simonrvn | hm, sec |
| 09:20.06 | DustyBin | simonrvn: aye i see, i installed a minimal etch setup on that box, maybe thats why |
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| 09:20.14 | simonrvn | ah section admin, important, yeh figures :) |
| 09:20.16 | Intensity | Any idea what Option "ForceBIOS" is meant to do? |
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| 09:21.25 | jelly-home | Intensity: also, try #xorg. Have your Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf handy. |
| 09:22.09 | Intensity | jelly-home: That's a good idea. I will try that. I was able to get the resolution to work in vesa. I'm happy about that. |
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| 09:23.25 | simonrvn | DustyBin: it's in important, which means that it'll get pulled in anyway |
| 09:23.35 | Intensity | Now I just need to tweak it a bit, as the ModeLine I tried is giving a somewhat crummy output. Any idea why "xvidtune -show" is giving 0's like follows: "1680x1050" 0.00 1680 0 0 0 1050 0 0 0? Is this a limitation of what the vesa driver is able to give back? |
| 09:24.20 | simonrvn | that output seems suspicious |
| 09:24.30 | wsxws | using postfix and cyrus imapd, what would i have to do to allow to chekc fpr emails more often than once a minute ? |
| 09:24.46 | simonrvn | (other than the plain fact there's 0s everywhere in it ;) |
| 09:24.51 | Intensity | simonrvn: I agree... |
| 09:25.31 | simonrvn | wsxws: have your queue get checked more often (postfix; cyrus has nothing to do with it) |
| 09:26.06 | Bogus8 | hmm.. trying to tweak out a init.d script and it's giving me an error "start-stop-daemon: stat --make-pidfile: No such file or directory" |
| 09:26.08 | Intensity | simonrvn: Okay, when I run xvidtune by itself, it gives "Video modes are not tunable on this chip". |
| 09:26.17 | simonrvn | Intensity: there's a sf.net site where they write modelines for you via a CGI script |
| 09:26.20 | Bogus8 | this is really just me modifying a working script that is working fine |
| 09:26.38 | simonrvn | !modeline |
| 09:26.38 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
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| 09:26.42 | Intensity | simonrvn: I'll search for that. I also remember using a command-line tool that did these calculations for me. |
| 09:26.44 | simonrvn | Intensity: ^^^ |
| 09:26.56 | simonrvn | Intensity: yeh old X 3.3.x ;) |
| 09:27.08 | wsxws | simonrvn when i push the sebd/recieve button on firefoy manually i recieve an answer from the server that the last logon hast to be at least 1 minute apart |
| 09:27.10 | klikklak` | finding a compatible bluetooth usb dongle is a pain; can someone tell me if newer versions of belkins dongles are compatible despite not being on the features list? |
| 09:27.24 | logd | hi, when it says XXXX orphan inodes deleted there's a way to know what it deleted? |
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| 09:27.42 | simonrvn | wsxws: er, you mean via IMAP or POP3? |
| 09:27.44 | Intensity | simonrvn: I guess the commands I must have run are in the videogen or modeline packages...(?) |
| 09:28.16 | simonrvn | Intensity: check out that site ^^^ if they don't exist |
| 09:28.23 | simonrvn | (the 2nd one) |
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| 09:28.41 | ExxKA | Hey Guys.. Can you recommend a nice application/script which will send me an email ( to an extern pop3 box) and tell me different statistics like diskspace, ram usage, failed login attempts, and such? |
| 09:29.23 | Intensity | Okay, thanks for all your help. I think I'm going to go to #xorg and see if I can figure out the i810 thing. |
| 09:29.33 | simonrvn | ExxKA: logwatch |
| 09:29.50 | ExxKA | thanks simonrvn, any other suggestions guys? |
| 09:29.51 | klikklak` | oh cool, found one |
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| 09:32.34 | wsxws | oops sorry |
| 09:32.46 | wsxws | simonrvn i use the pop3 |
| 09:33.15 | Bogus8 | http://www.pastebin.ca/664242 |
| 09:33.16 | simonrvn | wsxws: your mail server? |
| 09:33.36 | wsxws | postfix/cyrus with auth via pam.d |
| 09:33.50 | Bogus8 | anyone see why this is giving me the error start-stop-daemon: stat --make-pidfile: No such file or directory |
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| 09:34.30 | simonrvn | wsxws: that's not any cyrus configuration i've seen, though i use IMAP and i don't have such a limitation |
| 09:35.28 | wsxws | but somewhere has to be a setting like that, otherwise it wouldnt limit me, right ? |
| 09:35.30 | simonrvn | Bogus8: look at some other scripts using start-stop-daemon; they have -- which means "all options are finished, stop parsing options" (many apps have this) |
| 09:35.49 | simonrvn | wsxws: yes, likely to be one of the pop options, check your imapd.conf |
| 09:35.53 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: I actually am just editing a working script on my system |
| 09:36.23 | petemc | wsxws: whats the domain you have with a mx record pointing to an ip? |
| 09:37.16 | wsxws | i have 8 domains pointed like this for years now |
| 09:37.26 | petemc | tell me one of them |
| 09:38.13 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: I don't understand what is wrong as the PID part is identical to another script... I think the start-stop-daemon is not recognizing something of the command? as I'm obviously executing a different app |
| 09:38.31 | Bogus8 | the other app was a python script and this is a java based app |
| 09:38.37 | wsxws | petemc baumwolltaschen.net |
| 09:38.40 | simonrvn | Bogus8: yeh. what's happening is that s-s-d is trying to parse that --make-pid as an option |
| 09:38.56 | simonrvn | Bogus8: er as the command to run, sorry |
| 09:39.04 | logd | hi, when it says XXXX orphan inodes deleted there's a way to know what it deleted? |
| 09:39.23 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: so should I put the entire "java -jar...." in the $EXEC ? |
| 09:39.39 | simonrvn | -- $EXEC |
| 09:39.40 | petemc | wsxws: you seem confused - 10 mail.baumwolltaschen.net. |
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| 09:40.48 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: Ah, I had a glaring typo in there also... I changed the "variable" name in one place and not the other... oops :) |
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| 09:41.08 | simonrvn | Bogus8: hehe |
| 09:41.23 | wsxws | penma i told you there is only one way to enter the mx-record at that provider, it is one line with priority, alias and ip |
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| 09:41.30 | wsxws | so what is confusing you ? |
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| 09:42.34 | petemc | wsxws: the mx record points to an A record |
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| 09:43.16 | petemc | wsxws: the provider is hand holding you so you do it right, which is just as well as you dont know what you're doing |
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| 09:46.03 | Bogus8 | http://www.pastebin.ca/664253 |
| 09:46.14 | Bogus8 | still having issues... now it doesn't toss out any errors but it doesn't fire up either |
| 09:47.11 | Bogus8 | I am really not sure how I should be kicking off this java app via s-s-d |
| 09:47.40 | simonrvn | sh -x /etc/.... |
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| 09:48.08 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: yeah it's executable |
| 09:48.20 | simonrvn | no, run it that way |
| 09:48.24 | simonrvn | sh -x /etc/ |
| 09:48.31 | simonrvn | wherever it is |
| 09:48.40 | Bogus8 | ah, ok... and include the "start" option of course right? |
| 09:48.45 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:50.06 | Bogus8 | ok, it basically shows me what my script already says... should I maybe not put in the -- before the ${ARG} line? |
| 09:50.23 | Bogus8 | the original command to kick it off is `java -java....` |
| 09:50.36 | Bogus8 | so maybe it's now trying `java -- -java....` ?? |
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| 09:51.31 | DustyBin | im confused, if my system has never used logrotate before, and my logs are now too big, what created the .gz + number rotation on these logs: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2269 |
| 09:52.05 | jetx | how do you know your system didn't |
| 09:52.13 | petemc | DustyBin: what makes you think you've never used logrotate? |
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| 09:52.44 | DustyBin | petemc, its meant to be run as a cron, but there are no crons setup for it |
| 09:52.47 | wols_ | DustyBin: logrotate is run automatically via cronjob |
| 09:53.02 | wols_ | and the cron entry is made automatically |
| 09:53.16 | DustyBin | if thats the case, why are my logs so big? |
| 09:53.35 | liable | !log |
| 09:53.35 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 09:53.39 | wols_ | when is the first entry in your log? |
| 09:53.40 | liable | bah |
| 09:53.56 | DustyBin | head syslog = |
| 09:54.05 | DustyBin | Aug 20 06:26:26 homebeyond syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. |
| 09:54.32 | DustyBin | strange |
| 09:54.45 | zu22 | 223 of my 250MB swap is being used, yet only 80 of my 250MB physical memory is being used, i thought swap only kicked in after all the RAM was used up? |
| 09:54.48 | wols_ | so maybe you have a problem that generated a shitload of logs |
| 09:55.10 | wols_ | zu22: depends on the "swappiness" of your system |
| 09:55.19 | zu22 | wols_: ah |
| 09:56.23 | Bogus8 | can anyone see why this init.d script isn't kicking off my java app? http://www.pastebin.ca/664253 |
| 09:56.41 | DustyBin | i remember i woke up this morning and my router light was flashing out of control even though i wasnt downloading anything |
| 09:56.59 | DustyBin | i run a mail server on that box.. |
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| 09:58.41 | thapa | Bogus8: could you paste "bash -xv {filename} start"? |
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| 10:00.25 | wsxws | simonrvn if someelse will ask about the delay again , its in imapd and called popminpoll: |
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| 10:00.52 | simonrvn | wsxws: yeh, that's it |
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| 10:01.01 | DustyBin | this is my /etc/logrotate.conf file. by default, your system logs are not set to rotate at all? http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2270 |
| 10:01.14 | Bogus8 | thapa: Here ya go http://www.pastebin.ca/664264 |
| 10:01.18 | wsxws | now it works fine |
| 10:01.50 | simonrvn | DustyBin: where does it say this? |
| 10:01.52 | wsxws | my first mailserver with mysql and webinterface :) |
| 10:02.40 | DustyBin | simonrvn: on /etc/logrotate.conf http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2270 at the bottom it says '# system-specific logs may be configured here' |
| 10:02.51 | DustyBin | but nothing is configured? |
| 10:02.58 | thapa | Bogus8: does /var/run/azureusd/azureusd.pid exist? |
| 10:03.18 | simonrvn | DustyBin: yes, and? |
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| 10:03.26 | simonrvn | DustyBin: /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 10:03.29 | DustyBin | but logrotate must be working, otherwise i wouldnt get |
| 10:03.31 | DustyBin | 16945 2007-08-19 06:25 syslog.1.gz |
| 10:03.33 | Bogus8 | thapa: yep, I have another daemon that uses nearly identical pid info and it fires off fine |
| 10:03.49 | Bogus8 | thapa: usually it gives up an error about the PID if it doesn't exhist... I've been there ;) |
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| 10:04.32 | DustyBin | simonrvn: this is all whats inside that folder: |
| 10:04.37 | DustyBin | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2272 |
| 10:05.15 | jelly-home | DustyBin: syslogd is not handled by logrotate but by its own /etc/cron.*/sysklogd |
| 10:05.23 | DustyBin | ohhhhh |
| 10:05.27 | DustyBin | i didnt know that |
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| 10:06.28 | thapa | Bogus8: so, azureusd *does* start? |
| 10:06.50 | Bogus8 | thapa: if I run it with the straight java commandline... not via s-s-d though |
| 10:07.01 | thapa | I see |
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| 10:07.47 | jetx | !azureus |
| 10:07.47 | dpkg | To install azureus, type aptitude install azureus AFTER adding contrib and non-free to your sources. | Ask me about <contrib> <non-free>, or java permissions incredibly insecure by default, it will take a picture of your desktop and a log of your activity and put it up as a new torrent for legal action. |
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| 10:08.11 | simonrvn | jelly-home: it isn't? oh |
| 10:08.21 | simonrvn | shows what i know ;) |
| 10:08.21 | jelly-home | no mention of syslog in /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d wasn't suspicious in any way? |
| 10:08.37 | simonrvn | blame me =) |
| 10:08.42 | thapa | Bogus8: try putting the full path to Azureus3017-B27.jar into ARG |
| 10:08.50 | jelly-home | !blame him |
| 10:09.16 | Bogus8 | thapa: that's a rather obvious thing I should have thought of :( |
| 10:09.23 | thapa | heh, me too :D |
| 10:09.26 | jetx | -_- |
| 10:09.33 | DustyBin | 3323340980 2007-08-20 06:26 syslog.0 <-- that is NOT healthy |
| 10:09.35 | Sandworm_NF | is annyone here using eagle package in order be able to connect to web? |
| 10:09.46 | Bogus8 | but that brings up a point... i'm supposed to run it from that dir for my console option and webUI to work... will this do that all the same? |
| 10:09.47 | jetx | what do you mean |
| 10:09.52 | jetx | that's an older one |
| 10:10.01 | jetx | look at the extension |
| 10:10.31 | jelly-home | DustyBin: at least you know syslogd doesn't suffer from large file problems :-| |
| 10:10.38 | thapa | Bogus8: you can do a "cd", that's not a problem |
| 10:11.05 | Sandworm_NF | got problem with sagem fast modem and new laptop -> manuals failed :( ->if annyone here had same problems please msg me i will appreaciate any help |
| 10:11.26 | DustyBin | jelly-home, the worrying thing is, when i head syslog its only yesterdays date :-S |
| 10:11.29 | Bogus8 | thapa: so in exec I put cd /<path>/; /usr/bin/java ? |
| 10:11.41 | DustyBin | maybe compiling buts a lot of stuff in those logs |
| 10:11.44 | DustyBin | puts |
| 10:11.48 | simonrvn | DustyBin: no |
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| 10:12.02 | juice` | I was following this guide: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/518 to compile geoip module in iptables, and it fails when i try to make modules (after i patched kernel) with this 'error: ‘const struct sk_buff’ has no member named ‘nh’' and things like that. any idea why? the rest of errors i pasted here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34378/ |
| 10:12.07 | jelly-home | DustyBin: so take a peek inside, see what's filling it up |
| 10:12.32 | thapa | Bogus8: no, just put "cd /path" after "echo Starting Azureusd" |
| 10:12.47 | Bogus8 | thapa: ok, I'll give it a go |
| 10:13.06 | thapa | Bogus8: and you can remove depend() { ... }, that's a Gentoo special and unused by Debian |
| 10:13.07 | DustyBin | i can see a problem |
| 10:13.29 | DustyBin | Aug 19 22:28:42 XXXXXX lircd-0.8.0[2599]: <-- lots and lots of entries |
| 10:13.31 | Bogus8 | thapa: I went a head and gave it a go w/o the cd option... it worked |
| 10:13.48 | Bogus8 | thapa: thanks a bunch man... sadly it was all a bunch of simple silly mistakes :( |
| 10:13.56 | jelly-home | DustyBin: crazy idea: ... stop lircd? |
| 10:13.58 | Bogus8 | guess I should get some sleep ;) |
| 10:14.29 | thapa | I love timezone differences, it's noon here :D |
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| 10:14.36 | Bogus8 | 5am here |
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| 10:16.06 | Bogus8 | ok, now I can reboot this new kernel :) |
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| 10:17.09 | DustyBin | jesus hell, my system has been in a loop for the whole night |
| 10:17.13 | DustyBin | lircd-0.8.0[2683]: error reading '/dev/input/event4' |
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| 10:17.51 | sSiroSoriSs | did you know that ww2 fucked up all of europe? |
| 10:18.03 | petemc | sSiroSoriSs: stop that shit already |
| 10:18.11 | jelly-home | (so that's why she put the cookie jar on the top shelf) <-- Bogus8 has quit ("Mother did it have to be so high?") |
| 10:18.13 | sSiroSoriSs | have a look at that shit!!! |
| 10:18.16 | sSiroSoriSs | www.DanielFromBrisbane.com !!!! |
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| 10:18.23 | petemc | !ops sSiroSoriSs repeat trolling |
| 10:18.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: petemc complains about: sSiroSoriSs repeat trolling |
| 10:18.32 | jelly-home | permban the nick? |
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| 10:18.58 | petemc | ta |
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| 10:19.13 | robboplus | what package the ip command is in? |
| 10:19.32 | petemc | iproute |
| 10:19.38 | robboplus | thank you petemc! |
| 10:19.39 | petemc | or iproute2 , perhaps |
| 10:19.39 | XPSlammer | robboplus: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 10:19.53 | jelly-home | package name is sans 2 |
| 10:20.00 | petemc | yz |
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| 10:20.43 | robboplus | hm just installed iproute and it's there |
| 10:20.53 | simonrvn | RichiH: bless your stars |
| 10:21.21 | petemc | iproute2 is the upstream name |
| 10:21.30 | simonrvn | i hacked my interfaces to use iproute |
| 10:22.10 | simonrvn | ip addr up ... |
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| 10:22.51 | jelly-home | simonrvn: eh, you can do anything with manual config. I add 20 ip addresses with ip because it's shorter to type in ;-) |
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| 10:23.09 | simonrvn | would also be nice to have the ip.up/down./pre/post stuff be able to be run per iface |
| 10:23.20 | simonrvn | jelly-home: exactly what i did |
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| 10:23.31 | simonrvn | jelly-home: before i had them all in one by one .... |
| 10:23.51 | jelly-home | simonrvn: heh. post-up for i in 11 `seq 27 8 195`; do ip addr add 10.9.0.$i/29 dev eth2.501; done |
| 10:24.06 | simonrvn | post-up ip addr add |
| 10:24.26 | simonrvn | oh you can do that? nice |
| 10:24.32 | jelly-home | uses sh -c |
| 10:24.40 | simonrvn | oooh :D |
| 10:24.51 | jelly-home | ... apparently, since the above works :-) |
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| 10:26.26 | jelly-home | simonrvn: 27 .. 195 in increments of 8 |
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| 10:27.17 | themill | nice! |
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| 10:27.26 | AjeZ | hi |
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| 10:27.48 | AjeZ | i've a little question |
| 10:27.53 | AjeZ | someone alive? |
| 10:27.54 | AjeZ | :P |
| 10:27.57 | jelly-home | no |
| 10:27.59 | kanaldrache | I tried to send a bug report 355894@bugs.debian.org but i got a 550 (unknown user) |
| 10:28.00 | themill | !just ask |
| 10:28.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:28.06 | AjeZ | lol |
| 10:28.25 | dimir | Yes, fill that form AjeZ, please. |
| 10:28.40 | AjeZ | i've a debian machine with kernel 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 10:28.46 | dimir | Good. |
| 10:28.48 | dimir | :-P |
| 10:28.55 | dimir | Continue please. |
| 10:28.56 | AjeZ | can i switch to 2.6.18-4-686 easily? |
| 10:29.00 | jelly-home | kanaldrache: "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made. " |
| 10:29.03 | themill | AjeZ: from what? |
| 10:29.05 | TiMiDo | !host |
| 10:29.05 | dimir | yes. |
| 10:29.05 | dpkg | timido's host is: unaffiliated/timido |
| 10:29.12 | TiMiDo | ?host |
| 10:29.14 | TiMiDo | !!host |
| 10:29.15 | TiMiDo | !host |
| 10:29.16 | dpkg | timido's host is: unaffiliated/timido |
| 10:29.18 | kanaldrache | jelly-home: Do i have to submit it as a new bug then? |
| 10:29.27 | _evo_ | !host |
| 10:29.28 | dpkg | _evo_'s host is: oldindex.eu |
| 10:29.32 | jelly-home | kanaldrache: I suppose so :-( |
| 10:29.34 | kanaldrache | Because the bug isn't really resolved |
| 10:29.39 | dimir | AjeZ: what is the cpu you have? |
| 10:30.25 | AjeZ | a sempron |
| 10:30.29 | AjeZ | 3000+ |
| 10:30.33 | dimir | pr0n! |
| 10:30.42 | AjeZ | -_- |
| 10:30.57 | dimir | yes, you can switch. |
| 10:31.01 | zu22 | AjeZ: how many MHz? |
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| 10:31.03 | dimir | NEEXT! |
| 10:31.14 | AjeZ | zu22, 3000+ :P |
| 10:31.17 | jelly-home | AjeZ: the -686 kernel will work. the -k7 kernel will work too. |
| 10:31.29 | AjeZ | cpu MHz : 1603.348 |
| 10:31.32 | zu22 | AjeZ: wow i am jealous, i have 500MHz processor and i run 686 kernel :P |
| 10:31.49 | dimir | zu22: Don't be! |
| 10:31.51 | AjeZ | how can i switch it? i'm new to debian, i'm used to gentoo |
| 10:31.54 | dimir | Jeloucy is a sin!!!11 |
| 10:31.57 | zu22 | dimir: lol |
| 10:32.01 | dimir | :-P |
| 10:32.07 | jelly-home | dimir: mispeling is too |
| 10:32.09 | zu22 | !kpmantra |
| 10:32.22 | zu22 | !kp-mantra |
| 10:32.22 | dpkg | hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 10:32.33 | zu22 | oops wrong factoid |
| 10:32.33 | dimir | AjeZ: aptitude install linux-image-blahblahblah |
| 10:32.40 | AjeZ | wth .. |
| 10:32.51 | simonrvn | kp |
| 10:32.54 | dimir | oh, yeah, it's jealoucy! |
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| 10:33.01 | simonrvn | jealousy |
| 10:33.08 | dimir | damn. |
| 10:33.12 | zu22 | dimir: latvia! |
| 10:33.15 | dimir | You're right. |
| 10:33.28 | dimir | zu22: ye |
| 10:33.31 | dimir | :-P |
| 10:33.31 | AjeZ | dimir, that's all or i'll have to change grub config? |
| 10:33.35 | zu22 | dimir: :-D |
| 10:33.41 | dimir | ajez: that's it. |
| 10:33.47 | dimir | AjeZ: dpkg will do it for ya. |
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| 10:33.59 | AjeZ | ok thc .. ahem, thx :P |
| 10:34.16 | zu22 | AjeZ: if you ran LILO you'd have to edit /etc/lilo.conf by hand |
| 10:34.17 | dimir | !thx |
| 10:34.17 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 10:34.21 | dimir | :-D |
| 10:34.36 | zu22 | THX sounds great |
| 10:34.46 | dimir | KTHXBYE! |
| 10:34.52 | AjeZ | XD |
| 10:34.58 | zu22 | as long as you your own theatre with digital audio sound system |
| 10:35.00 | AjeZ | zu22, i use grub |
| 10:35.07 | zu22 | AjeZ: you are good to go then |
| 10:35.22 | AjeZ | yeah, thx to u mates |
| 10:35.29 | dimir | No problemo! |
| 10:35.34 | zu22 | AjeZ: revel in the beauty of Debian |
| 10:35.48 | AjeZ | if u'll need help on gentoo u'll find me on sabayon chan :P |
| 10:35.58 | dimir | No! |
| 10:36.04 | dimir | Hug a tree instead! |
| 10:36.04 | AjeZ | lol |
| 10:36.06 | dimir | No gentoo! |
| 10:36.14 | dimir | and |
| 10:36.16 | dimir | !u |
| 10:36.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:36.17 | dimir | :-D |
| 10:36.27 | Bogus8 | how can I have apt tell me again what the "recommended" packages were for something I've already installed? |
| 10:37.34 | dimir | Bogus8: apt-cache show <package> |
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| 10:38.24 | Bogus8 | dimir: thanks... I've used that option before but I guess that package just didn't have as much to tell me about it :) |
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| 10:39.05 | freenot | with debian-etch on a basic headless server, software selection => am i after a standard system or no software selection at all? |
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| 10:39.31 | dimir | Bogus8: Hmm, but I'm not 100 % sure now. |
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| 10:39.39 | simonrvn | freenot: personally i go for no selection and hand pick the stuff i want |
| 10:39.47 | freenot | simonrvn: thanks, cheers |
| 10:39.49 | jetx | take all those check boxes off |
| 10:39.55 | freenot | jetx: will do |
| 10:39.57 | Bogus8 | freenot: that's how I start on my servers... I uncheck all options and start with BARE essentials and add what I need via apt |
| 10:40.00 | jetx | install what you want after the install |
| 10:40.03 | hburchey | I accidently deleted some of the g++ binaries. How can I reinstall g++? |
| 10:40.06 | jetx | what he said |
| 10:40.28 | jetx | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 10:40.33 | Bogus8 | dimir: it worked well for this package... thanks |
| 10:40.59 | dimir | oh yeah, I'm sure now, just checked. |
| 10:41.10 | hburchey | jetx, Is it possible to do it through aptitude somehow? |
| 10:41.19 | Bogus8 | i had just used it on another package and it wasn't nearly as informative... guess that package maintainer didn't put as much info in, or it wasn't needed |
| 10:41.25 | jetx | aptitude reinstall or something |
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| 10:41.31 | dimir | hburchey: aptitude reinstall |
| 10:41.32 | jetx | man aptitude |
| 10:41.54 | dimir | Too slow! |
| 10:42.08 | dimir | OK, a cup of coffee should fix that. |
| 10:42.19 | zu22 | dimir: i like capuccinno |
| 10:42.30 | simonrvn | dimir: espresso please, thanks |
| 10:42.31 | AjeZ | italian coffe > american coffee |
| 10:42.37 | simonrvn | dimir: alonge |
| 10:42.45 | zu22 | AjeZ: bellissimo! lol |
| 10:42.48 | jetx | maxwellhouse > * |
| 10:42.53 | zu22 | jetx: rofl |
| 10:42.54 | simonrvn | eew |
| 10:43.03 | dimir | simonrvn: coming up! |
| 10:43.05 | zu22 | "Fill it to the rim with BRIM!" pwns |
| 10:43.25 | dimir | simonrvn: sorry, no alonge. Just espresso or espresso with chocolate. |
| 10:43.27 | simonrvn | dimir: heh heh |
| 10:43.33 | simonrvn | damn |
| 10:43.37 | dimir | :-( |
| 10:43.40 | simonrvn | bed time then ;) |
| 10:43.42 | zu22 | jetx: the Maxwell House commercials in the '80s were great, the ones they have now sux |
| 10:43.43 | dimir | hehe |
| 10:43.46 | RudyValencia | atime or noatime? |
| 10:43.49 | thapa | http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/live-helper.html, that's "only 4 of 5 days old" since two days now |
| 10:43.54 | thapa | why's that? :D |
| 10:44.09 | simonrvn | RudyValencia: hopefully noatime, but sometimes atime happens |
| 10:44.12 | dimir | maintainer's drunk? |
| 10:44.14 | jetx | it's the taste of the coffee, not the brilliance of yet another ad campaign |
| 10:44.35 | simonrvn | !jetx++ |
| 10:44.35 | jetx | starbuck's sucks |
| 10:44.36 | RudyValencia | kk |
| 10:44.50 | AjeZ | time to go lunch |
| 10:44.54 | RudyValencia | is there a metapackage that installs a LAMP server? |
| 10:44.55 | AjeZ | cya and thx again |
| 10:44.56 | simonrvn | RudyValencia: you know i was kidding right? |
| 10:44.56 | jetx | well the house blend does |
| 10:45.05 | RudyValencia | yes |
| 10:45.05 | zu22 | jetx: i know i was speaking of the merits of the ad campaigns alone, that should not imply an endorsemet of said brands :-P |
| 10:45.11 | jetx | !lamp |
| 10:45.12 | dpkg | i guess lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 10:45.25 | jetx | apt-get install stuff |
| 10:45.38 | RudyValencia | is there a single package that installs apache, mysql and php in one swoop? |
| 10:45.45 | kanaldrache | jelly-home: Why is there a "Reply or subscribe to this bug." when it's archived |
| 10:45.51 | zu22 | lamp is the linux triumvirate of web goodness |
| 10:45.58 | RudyValencia | I know ;) |
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| 10:46.12 | simonrvn | RudyValencia: ok good :) |
| 10:46.33 | jelly-home | kanaldrache: um... the software that generates the archive is dumb? |
| 10:46.44 | simonrvn | RudyValencia: nope, same aptitude command line works well enough ;) |
| 10:46.51 | RudyValencia | I notice ubuntu and debian are now more like distant cousins than they originally used to be |
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| 10:47.05 | jetx | not really |
| 10:47.14 | RudyValencia | and what is the "same aptitude command line" you mention? |
| 10:47.15 | liable | RudyValencia: if you are too lazy to install those packages by themselves, are you sure you should be running such a server? |
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| 10:47.46 | zu22 | the new ubuntu live cd won't boot on my laptop but a 3 year old morphix boots with no problem heh |
| 10:48.11 | RudyValencia | liable: I can't remember what the packages are that make a whole LAMP setup |
| 10:48.17 | jetx | i find using kanotix cheat codes at the boot: prompt get the ubuntu cd going |
| 10:48.19 | simonrvn | uh |
| 10:48.23 | jetx | xvrefresh et al |
| 10:48.32 | zu22 | jetx: ah nice |
| 10:48.35 | simonrvn | RudyValencia: scroll up |
| 10:48.37 | RudyValencia | I know apache2 but can't remember PHP and MySQL |
| 10:48.49 | jetx | also you can boot it single |
| 10:48.58 | zu22 | RudyValencia: well now you know and knowing's half the battle |
| 10:49.08 | simonrvn | s,a,o, |
| 10:49.27 | zu22 | jetx: single user mode? |
| 10:49.39 | jetx | yeah just add single to the boot: |
| 10:49.47 | zu22 | jetx: will try that |
| 10:49.50 | jetx | take off quiet and splash and viola |
| 10:50.37 | amphi | 'viola', heh |
| 10:52.10 | jetx | woohoo |
| 10:52.10 | RudyValencia | NETSPLIT !!! |
| 10:52.10 | zu22 | jetx: i like viola da gamba |
| 10:52.10 | hburchey | Ok, I did sudo aptitude reinstall 'g++' but I when I try to run 'g++' it still says it doesn't exist. |
| 10:52.10 | zu22 | whoa net split, big one |
| 10:52.15 | jetx | apt-cache search gcc |
| 10:52.21 | jetx | or something |
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| 10:52.27 | liable | !b-e hburchey |
| 10:52.27 | dpkg | hburchey: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 10:52.28 | zu22 | gah i must disable the join/part messages, i've been flooded! lol |
| 10:52.48 | liable | doesnt your client do the blah blah +78 more ? |
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| 10:53.02 | zu22 | liable: nope, using epic4 |
| 10:53.29 | zu22 | liable: it now seems less epic :) |
| 10:53.40 | jelly-home | mine does"blah blah scroll 78 more lines |
| 10:54.02 | zu22 | jelly-home: you using epic4 also? |
| 10:54.06 | jelly-home | xchat |
| 10:54.09 | zu22 | ah |
| 10:54.44 | RudyValencia | xchat on Lose32 |
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| 10:56.53 | thapa | http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/live-helper.html ... really no ideas? |
| 10:57.00 | hyphenex | Could anybody lend me an account on a server of which I might try Kdevelop? |
| 10:57.03 | freenot | i accidentally enabled a UK kbd, whats' the quickest way to fix that? rerun the setup again? |
| 10:57.51 | sha | freenot, editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 11:09.57 | _segment | i know its off subject but anyone know if a small block chev intake manifold will fit on a 308 block? |
| 11:10.11 | jelly-home | umm.. #hardware ? :-) |
| 11:10.32 | _segment | :D |
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| 11:18.48 | jelly-home | someone stole quotes 195-197! |
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| 11:19.02 | liable | i thought you fixed em! |
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| 11:21.23 | dpkg | |porta|> aptitude says i need to install OB packages.. i did aptitude install OB and it wouldn't |
| 11:21.28 | predder | I recently replaced the files in the /etc/pam.d/ directory. When I try to less any file in there I cannot even though it is set world readable? |
| 11:21.40 | predder | I can less the files as root though, any ideas? |
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| 11:22.18 | cbr | is there any possibility how i could downgrade gtk in debian? it doesnt allow it and wants to uninstall every app i have :p |
| 11:22.36 | jelly-home | cbr: reinstall |
| 11:22.45 | predder | oh, the directory needs execute? damn. |
| 11:22.52 | cbr | uhm.. like reinstall debian? |
| 11:22.58 | jelly-home | cbr: yes. or restore from backups |
| 11:22.58 | cbr | that really isn't an answer, now is it |
| 11:23.06 | cbr | i have sid |
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| 11:25.06 | jelly-home | cbr: a sid user ought to be able to fix the system and/or make sensible bug reports. That said, you might get away with forcibly installing a lower version of each affected package (from testing) |
| 11:25.42 | cbr | uhm.. i have experimental packages and i want to downgrade them to unstable ones |
| 11:25.53 | cbr | because openoffice obviously doesnt like the experimental glib or smth |
| 11:25.58 | wally | hi! Has anyone got any idea why running .php script that is using php mail() from shell would deliver an email, but would not if ran from apache? |
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| 11:26.29 | lunk | apache doesn't have permissions to execute/read the script? |
| 11:26.55 | wally | well it does, because when I run the scrip it says message delivery faileed |
| 11:27.22 | jyujin | doesn't the apache php module usually have a different config file than the cli one? |
| 11:27.54 | jelly-home | cbr: um, man apt-get to see how to install specific version of a package, or use -t |
| 11:28.09 | wally | I thought that both apache and cli are using same config |
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| 11:28.37 | jyujin | wally: try to look in /etc/php or /etc/apache2 for configs on php... |
| 11:28.41 | jelly-home | wally: negative, there's a separate php.ini for each |
| 11:28.41 | themill | !tell cbr about downgrade |
| 11:29.12 | jyujin | i'm not positive on those paths though, don't have a debian box near me right now =) |
| 11:29.12 | themill | bah.... dpkg is a bloody yo-yo today |
| 11:29.47 | cbr | hmm.. that's bad.. because i can't use openoffice now :D |
| 11:30.03 | jelly-home | wally: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini /etc/php5/apache/php.ini /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini ... |
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| 11:30.40 | jelly-home | cbr: tried using apt-get -t yet? |
| 11:30.56 | cbr | nope, i tried using synaptic |
| 11:31.16 | jelly-home | !penixsmite cbr |
| 11:31.24 | jelly-home | hey... |
| 11:31.27 | jelly-home | !test |
| 11:31.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:31.36 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 11:31.42 | jelly-home | !penixstrike cbr |
| 11:31.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cbr to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 11:31.47 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 11:32.03 | cbr | libglib2.0-0 is already the newest version. |
| 11:32.04 | cbr | owned |
| 11:32.09 | wally | jelly-home: yeah I've ran locate, I've copied cli conf to apache2 conf will see |
| 11:32.20 | wally | funny enough there's nothin specified in cli conf for sendmail path |
| 11:32.24 | jelly-home | cbr: and now you find out how to install an explicit version. |
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| 13:04.57 | beli | themill: i think i know what's going on now...i am NOT running the debian package for apache, but did my own local install, cause i switched from slackware...so....i guess my own installation is suffering stuff |
| 13:05.57 | themill | beli: ahh.... debian's php, php modules (and also apache, apache modules) have integrated config setups using conf.d/ snippets. |
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| 13:07.19 | themill | beli: You probably need to enable the gd module in the right php.ini file. If you're using custom stuff, then you'll have to work out where that php.ini file is... with debian packages, it should be /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 13:07.33 | beli | yes it is there |
| 13:07.44 | beli | and my apache conf is using that php4 version of debian |
| 13:07.57 | beli | so it should work |
| 13:08.15 | themill | beli: check if the module is loaded using phpinfo() |
| 13:08.34 | themill | beli: I bet it isn't and that your php is using some other strange config file |
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| 13:08.53 | beli | php is the original debian package |
| 13:08.55 | beli | just apache is my own |
| 13:09.08 | wsxws | okies, i got my apache running with several ips now, i also got one of them with a CAcert ssl running |
| 13:09.36 | wsxws | but if i want to use a part of that domain without and another part of the doim with ssl, is that possible with one ip ? |
| 13:09.52 | themill | beli: iirc the apache php module will be configured by apache's config not php's. Check the output of phpinfo(). |
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| 13:10.58 | beli | the-me: phpinfo just tells me that i have mod_php4 loaded...not the path....need to check apache conf then |
| 13:11.10 | the-me | wrong person ;) |
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| 13:11.28 | beli | s/the-me/themill/ |
| 13:11.29 | beli | ;) |
| 13:12.06 | themill | beli: could you pastebin the output of phpinfo() ? |
| 13:12.12 | beli | for sure |
| 13:12.23 | themill | beli: or point me to the page if it's publicly accessible |
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| 13:14.09 | beli | themill: http://www.soul-for-sale.de/phpinfo.php |
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| 13:14.33 | themill | beli: /usr/local/lib/php.ini |
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| 13:15.36 | themill | beli: although it does list gd as being enabled already. |
| 13:15.44 | beli | yes |
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| 13:16.02 | beli | silbersee:/usr/local/lib# grep gd php.ini |
| 13:16.02 | beli | ;extension=php_gd.dll |
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| 13:17.01 | beli | hmm |
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| 13:17.53 | beli | in the original conf.d under gd.ini there is a line ;extension=gd.so |
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| 13:18.35 | shuangron1 | Help.i got gtk-2.4 installed.and now some piece of software require gtk-2.10 to be available.what should i do.can gtk 2.4 and 2.10 coexist? |
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| 13:19.47 | jair | guys, Can I have more than one dm in my debian box? for example gdm and xdm? |
| 13:20.14 | bjorkimacg3 | sure jair |
| 13:20.18 | bjorkimacg3 | but what do you need both for? |
| 13:20.20 | jair | if I install both can I set up the priorities or control which one to use? |
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| 13:20.39 | jair | I am trying to have one of them start the nomachine or freenx session |
| 13:20.41 | bjorkimacg3 | you can run them on different X servers. |
| 13:21.07 | bjorkimacg3 | X:0, X:1 |
| 13:21.10 | themill | beli: there is a builtin gd in php4 that isn't as good as the loaded one (e.g. freetype support is missing, it seems). Try actually loading that module by including extension=gd.so in your php.ini and then restarting apache |
| 13:21.19 | shuangron1 | Help.i got gtk-2.4 installed.and now some piece of software require gtk-2.10 to be available.what should i do.can gtk 2.4 and 2.10 coexist? |
| 13:21.26 | jair | bjorkimacg3: well this is the status: 1) I have gdm and gdm-themes installed 2) if I install xdm what will happen? |
| 13:21.39 | themill | !tell shuangron1 about patience |
| 13:21.49 | bjorkimacg3 | it will try to conolise X:0 but if you specify X:1, nothing. |
| 13:21.56 | beli | themill: uh...different gds..ugly :) ok i'll try |
| 13:21.59 | bjorkimacg3 | *colonize |
| 13:22.05 | jair | bjorkimacg3: there is a command to run them in different x servers? |
| 13:22.16 | bjorkimacg3 | it's in the confs, jair. |
| 13:22.22 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 13:22.27 | jair | xorg.conf? |
| 13:22.34 | bjorkimacg3 | xdm's. |
| 13:22.47 | jair | I see but I don't have xdm installed yet |
| 13:23.04 | jair | how the system will decide which one will be the default? |
| 13:23.04 | bjorkimacg3 | you have my permission :D |
| 13:23.13 | bjorkimacg3 | you, the sysadmin, will decide. |
| 13:23.27 | jair | alright let me install it |
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| 13:27.12 | beli | themill: no change |
| 13:27.19 | wsdo_okadr | can one make fonts bigger in links2 -g ? |
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| 13:28.36 | bjorkimacg3 | wsdo_okadr, since it's running in a terminal, why not change the terminal's font? |
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| 13:29.06 | InitMass | have you guys tried transmission or deluge. what do you think about them? |
| 13:29.18 | wsdo_okadr | bjorkimacg3: because its not running in a terminal , it's graphical |
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| 13:29.48 | greenkobold | have anyone succesfully used bootcdwrite with kubuntu? |
| 13:30.15 | themill | beli: it's still claiming to use the bundled gd not the loaded one. It says "GD version bundled". Using debian's module, I get "GD version 2.0 or higher". Your phpinfo also says nothing about freetype where as mine says under GD "Freetype support enabled" etc. |
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| 13:30.41 | themill | beli: your life will be a lot easier if you can just use the debian apache packages ;) |
| 13:30.41 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home, petemc: you guys know if nxproxy is available on windows? |
| 13:30.57 | SerajewelKS | i already have an X server running so it'd be nicer to just run nxproxy on both sides |
| 13:31.08 | beli | themill: i guess :) it just was a fast solution as i needed to switch servers |
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| 13:32.31 | beli | themill: where can i get the debian build flags from? |
| 13:32.48 | liable | the source package |
| 13:32.54 | themill | beli: :) You should be able to get there eventually... it might take a lot of frigging around though. You probably need to configure the location of the php modules too. It's looking for php modules in /usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20020429 which is not where debian will put them. |
| 13:33.11 | themill | beli: if you really want them. apt-get source php |
| 13:33.26 | snowbird | temill i finially tracked dow the tcp photo erro il post if u like latter sorta busy here |
| 13:33.55 | LeVA | hi! would someone tell me how to prolong an expired ssl certificate with openssl? |
| 13:34.50 | bjorkimacg3 | man, LeVA :) |
| 13:34.58 | themill | beli: do you have a particular reason that you can't just use a stock package of php? |
| 13:35.58 | beli | i had....but not anymore |
| 13:36.18 | beli | so i will need to read the documentation....damn, i just wanted to build a little homepage ;) |
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| 13:39.31 | beli | themill: do you recommend to use apache2? |
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| 13:41.11 | wols_ | we all do. sorta |
| 13:41.21 | wols_ | unless we recommend light_httpd |
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| 13:41.36 | beli | :) |
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| 13:43.02 | RichiH | how can i make apt-get ignore missing dependencies of installed packages? |
| 13:43.16 | themill | RichiH: you can't. you don't want to. |
| 13:43.18 | jeremy_g | RichiH:hunt for some force option |
| 13:43.41 | jeremy_g | hehe, themill is right, you dont want to |
| 13:44.18 | themill | beli: I have been using apache2 since some fairly early versions of it as I wanted ssl and it was *much* easier to do ssl with apache2 than 1.3. I'm using apache2.2 stuff now with PHP5. You need to move away from php4 fairly soon now anyway as it's no longer supported well upstream. And upstream is trying very hard to kill off php4 entirely. |
| 13:44.58 | themill | beli: My impression is definitely that apache2 is faster and more scalable and it is certainly easier to configure a lot of things. |
| 13:45.22 | wsxws | a2commands are cool also |
| 13:45.40 | beli | ok thanks for help & information |
| 13:46.21 | themill | beli: as wsxws said, the virtual host management (a2ensite/a2dissite) and module management (a2enmod/a2dismod) stuff is very nice too |
| 13:46.25 | jakub_ | hwo to format my MMC flash card please |
| 13:46.35 | wsxws | things like a2enmod ssl |
| 13:46.43 | themill | RichiH: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:48.01 | RichiH | themill: i can and i want to. i have some third-party packages with a typo in them.. |
| 13:48.07 | RichiH | i just do not know how |
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| 13:49.28 | themill | RichiH: you're making long-term trouble for yourself. Are you really really sure it's a typo? You should ask the provider to fix it in that case. |
| 13:49.32 | jakub_ | hwo to format my MMC flash card please |
| 13:49.43 | beli | themill: shall i copy over my old 1.3.x httpd.conf or just build a new one? |
| 13:49.47 | cast | !repeat |
| 13:49.48 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:50.37 | themill | beli: if it's not a complex config, I'd recommend starting with the debian vanilla config and then adding whatever you need into either the conf.d/ or sites-available/ sections. |
| 13:51.01 | themill | RichiH: Can you tell us where you got them from and pastebin the output of the errors you get? |
| 13:51.14 | liable | RichiH: you can make dpkg ignore depends, but apt/aptitude will whine and make life difficult untill you fix it or capitulate |
| 13:51.23 | liable | RichiH: you could make dummy packages |
| 13:51.30 | beli | themill: i have many virtual hosts...and i use BindAddress and so on....looks like apache2 does not support that anymore....that's why i didn't want to switch, but ok.... reading... |
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| 13:52.02 | liable | whats that damn package name that makes dummies? |
| 13:52.09 | petemc | quivs ? |
| 13:52.12 | petemc | e |
| 13:52.14 | wols_ | equivs |
| 13:52.27 | petemc | <parp> |
| 13:52.27 | liable | thats the one |
| 13:52.30 | liable | !win petemc |
| 13:52.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, petemc! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:53.12 | themill | beli: the virtualhost syntax for apache2 is well thought out and works much more easily than it ever did under apache1.3 where it was a bit of an add-on |
| 13:53.29 | petemc | second prize isnt winning |
| 13:53.34 | petemc | thats loser talk |
| 13:53.51 | liable | petemc: it is if your ugly! :) |
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| 13:55.00 | liable | just like miss Virginia would |
| 13:55.22 | wols_ | "Miss Virginia" sounds a lot prettier than "petemc" |
| 13:55.35 | wols_ | petemc: could you change your nick please? |
| 13:55.54 | wsxws | hm |
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| 13:56.03 | liable | wols_: i am a 18 yo blonde, wanna chat? |
| 13:56.11 | wsxws | themill maybe you are the right for my actual problem |
| 13:56.27 | wsxws | i have my apache running, with serveral ip and domains |
| 13:56.32 | beli | themill: is apache2 a complete rewrite? you are right, apache 1.3.x was a module collection and extended here and there... |
| 13:56.36 | wols_ | I´m 46, have a beer belly and am not shaved. you still want to chat? |
| 13:57.02 | wsxws | on one of the domains i have a domain on which i want to have a part of it in ssl |
| 13:57.02 | cast | but wols_ has a great personality! |
| 13:57.10 | cast | [possibly, maybe, kinda] |
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| 13:57.26 | wols_ | if oyu mean "Is a groucy SOB": sure |
| 13:57.31 | liable | yes, the beauty within... |
| 13:57.32 | wsxws | at the moment it is running and working but apache gives out an error at the start which i dont like (i works though) |
| 13:57.59 | wsxws | a sec, ill do some pastes |
| 13:58.21 | cast | i have a theory that people who are beautiful on the outside are more likely to be beautiful on the inside because the world treats them better, as opposed to some fugly sob who gets treated like shit, well they have a high chance of being bitter and pissed off</random rant> |
| 13:58.41 | themill | beli: iirc yes. But that's stretching the memory back a loooong way. Their release announcements of the early 2.0 stuff will say. 2.2 is more incremental in its improvements (i.e. I've not noticed many/any changes :) |
| 13:58.59 | mosty | cast: what about all those celebrity kids that end up junkies |
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| 13:59.16 | cast | mosty: well, thats being from being rich prats |
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| 13:59.37 | mosty | they generally aren't ugly, at least to begin with |
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| 14:00.33 | liable | cast: i laugh at your poorly thought out theory |
| 14:00.41 | solar_sea | is there a way to allow the mount command to be issued by a user [not root] in debian ? [safe fstab] |
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| 14:00.49 | roe | anyone know how to "glue" one pdf onto the end of another? |
| 14:00.49 | liable | i know many ugly beautifull people |
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| 14:01.10 | Ronin | great thanks a lot liable now i have stupid song in my head |
| 14:01.15 | themill | solar_sea: if the partition is in /etc/fstab then it can be used by non-root. Otherwise, look at pmount |
| 14:01.28 | liable | Ronin: which song? |
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| 14:01.39 | cast | i think themill was onto it. i'm pretty bitter at times :\ |
| 14:01.46 | Ronin | that annoying marilyn mansonone |
| 14:02.16 | solar_sea | themill, thanks, it's just what I needed |
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| 14:02.27 | themill | cast: does that mean it's safe to come out from my hiding place? |
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| 14:03.00 | liable | no |
| 14:03.03 | wsxws | themill pls have a look at: http://wsxws.ws/paste.txt and tell me how to get rid of that error-message (btw everything is working fine though) |
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| 14:03.35 | wsxws | ports.conf contains Listen 80 only atm |
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| 14:04.16 | Dieterbe | can anyone tellme how to generate a keypair that i can use for my apt repository to sign packages? |
| 14:05.02 | Dieterbe | i'm following this; http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html#s-check-non-debian-releases but it assumes i already have a keypair |
| 14:05.10 | themill | wsxws: I'm no apache expert any more as I did my best to forget what I used to know.... but add a :80 to the VirtualHost directive |
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| 14:05.41 | beli | themill: at least my gd/freety/IM is working now :) |
| 14:05.42 | solar_sea | themill I have added the user to the 'plugdev' group according the pmount's man page, but when I try to launch pmounth with that user I get "bash: /usr/bin/pmount: Permission denied" |
| 14:06.06 | beli | ls -al /usr/bin/pmount |
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| 14:06.13 | beli | what does that tell you? |
| 14:06.40 | solar_sea | 36 -rwsr-xr-- 1 root plugdev 33544 2007-07-21 14:17 pmount |
| 14:06.50 | beli | ok |
| 14:06.54 | themill | beli: excellent... glad that one works for you now ;) |
| 14:06.56 | beli | seems like it needs setuid bid |
| 14:06.59 | beli | bit |
| 14:07.02 | themill | solar_sea: what's the output of the command groups |
| 14:07.05 | solar_sea | The user `solar' is already a member of `plugdev'. |
| 14:07.07 | wsxws | dooh, that has been easy |
| 14:07.09 | beli | and the group doesn't have the setuid bit |
| 14:07.20 | wsxws | thanks,m the error is gone |
| 14:07.23 | themill | beli: the perms on pmount look fine |
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| 14:07.30 | solar_sea | solar cdrom floppy sudo audio video ssh |
| 14:07.33 | themill | wsxws: woohoo... :) |
| 14:07.44 | solar_sea | hm, but I've edited the group file, .. should I reboot ?! |
| 14:07.51 | beli | solar_sea: no |
| 14:07.54 | themill | solar_sea: you need to login again to update the perms |
| 14:07.58 | beli | but you have to relogin with that user |
| 14:08.04 | solar_sea | hm, okey, trying |
| 14:08.24 | themill | solar_sea: I meant group membership.... conversations getting cross-threaded here.... |
| 14:08.35 | beli | themill :) |
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| 14:08.59 | themill | wsxws: glad that one was nice and easy..... I like them that way.... |
| 14:09.12 | wsxws | that ssl thingie, does t have to be a subdoamin or would it b possible to splitt nonssl and ssl like /wsxws.ws/ssl to ? |
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| 14:09.58 | RichiH | liable, themill: they are openqrm packages, the maintainer used a _ in the depend name, the package has a - |
| 14:10.30 | RichiH | themill: i plan to poke the maint, but he is not online atm and i still want to proceed |
| 14:11.18 | themill | RichiH: ok... you could quickly do up a package that is called foo_bar and Depends foo-bar which would solve your problem. |
| 14:11.24 | liable | RichiH: equivs ftw untill he fixes it. no source deb available? |
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| 14:11.38 | RichiH | liable: no source deb, no |
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| 14:12.04 | themill | RichiH: Or the ugly hack is to download the debs and then man dpkg to look for forcing options. But you really really don't want to go there. |
| 14:12.12 | greenkobold | is it possible that a file has no permission to the root user, nut he can give himself this permission?? i think that this is happening here, and i am fiding it very strange |
| 14:12.16 | liable | i think he has |
| 14:13.01 | RichiH | themill: they are installed and work. i just want to install other stuff via apt, as well |
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| 14:13.19 | n000b | hi all |
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| 14:13.51 | n000b | do you know a repo for thunderbird 2.0 |
| 14:13.53 | n000b | ? |
| 14:14.07 | themill | !tell n000b about icedove |
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| 14:14.35 | liable | n000b: we dont advocate using non-debian repos here |
| 14:14.36 | themill | n000b: just install icedove and you will have t'bird |
| 14:14.57 | n000b | themill:thank you |
| 14:15.02 | n000b | i already use icedove |
| 14:15.05 | floppy12 | hmm |
| 14:15.09 | floppy12 | highlight? |
| 14:15.16 | floppy12 | http://nopaste.bsdforen.de/1187554127 |
| 14:15.19 | floppy12 | someone an idea? |
| 14:15.20 | n000b | problem is, I can't use lightning with debian icedove |
| 14:15.32 | themill | !tell floppy12 about enter |
| 14:15.49 | abrotman | n000b: which version of lightning ? |
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| 14:16.11 | themill | wsxws: you can have the server listen on both ports with the same docroot and just SSLRequireSSL on the directories that you want to protect. Or even have them look at different DocRoots which is what I do. |
| 14:16.15 | n000b | latest, 5.0 or smth |
| 14:16.17 | floppy12 | themill okay okay |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | n000b: and what's the error ? |
| 14:16.40 | n000b | sorry, 0.5 iit is |
| 14:17.05 | abrotman | error? |
| 14:17.07 | n000b | no error, it just doesn't work. it's a a known bug |
| 14:17.23 | abrotman | bug where? |
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| 14:17.37 | n000b | http://jean-christophe.dubacq.fr/index.php?post/2007/07/03/Lightning-05-for-icedove |
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| 14:17.55 | dbmoodb | hello how can i mount a ntfs partition with ntfs3g as a user ? |
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| 14:18.09 | Dodger | well, that fixed it... very weird... |
| 14:18.33 | abrotman | that's nota bug |
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| 14:19.18 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=icedove;dist=unstable |
| 14:19.37 | Dodger | thanks for your thoughts all |
| 14:19.54 | themill | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427015 |
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| 14:22.35 | n000b | i'm running lenny, here. is there any icedove-2.0+ deb available? |
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| 14:22.42 | Ind[y] | In "gnome-btdownload", when downloading, in the "Upload" tab, what are these two options that it has? What do they mean? |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | themill: there are three |
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| 14:23.33 | Ind[y] | What do they do? |
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| 14:25.19 | daniele_982 | hello all i've a laptop end i want my beep in terminal but i've not the pc speaker.I've found softbeep but i not understand how to found.Sameone can help me? |
| 14:26.09 | onats | hello, what would be the good reasons to choose debian over ubuntu? thanks |
| 14:26.28 | wols_ | !why debian |
| 14:26.28 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:26.49 | onats | thanks! |
| 14:26.54 | liable | daniele_982: it doesnt have a speaker? |
| 14:27.01 | daniele_982 | liable: no |
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| 14:27.24 | cast | onats: you can say fuck in #debian :) |
| 14:27.29 | liable | daniele_982: then its going to be hard to make it beep, *very* hard |
| 14:27.32 | onats | hahahah |
| 14:27.45 | knoxy | how can I do to change my apache2 and php5 locales to accept brazilian characters? |
| 14:27.45 | wols_ | !language |
| 14:27.45 | dpkg | language is, like, a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
| 14:27.50 | azeem | cast: not if it's directed at people |
| 14:27.56 | onats | lol! |
| 14:27.59 | liable | it does offend some of us |
| 14:28.04 | Juul_ | how do i set my default alsa card in etch? "asoundconf list" shows no cards |
| 14:28.05 | daniele_982 | liable: ??? |
| 14:28.17 | wols_ | azeem: you must be wrong. I clearly directed it to case :P |
| 14:28.19 | wols_ | *cast |
| 14:28.29 | liable | daniele_982: exactly, maybe i am confused at what you want |
| 14:28.32 | cast | !swearing |
| 14:28.32 | dpkg | from memory, swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker, or if you don't want to see it, read http://f0rked.com/public/irssi-docs/help-full.html#IGNORE (for irssi) |
| 14:28.37 | cast | i like that factoid more :) |
| 14:28.50 | azeem | wols_: I don't feed trolls :P |
| 14:28.56 | daniele_982 | liable: i've found softbeep:This Linux utility program may be used for redirecting beeps of the internal PC speaker to your sound card |
| 14:29.08 | daniele_982 | liable: but i not understand |
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| 14:29.21 | wols_ | cast: I thought " Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins" a LOT scarier |
| 14:29.24 | liable | daniele_982: but does your soundcard have speakers? |
| 14:29.36 | knoxy | how can I do to change my apache2 and php5 locales to accept brazilian characters? |
| 14:29.50 | liable | bastard |
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| 14:30.04 | wols_ | !tell knoxy about locales |
| 14:30.07 | wols_ | then restart apache |
| 14:30.22 | liable | !kingsleysmite cast |
| 14:30.22 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer cast: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.996219480035023! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 14:30.24 | daniele_982 | liable: ys |
| 14:30.28 | daniele_982 | *yes |
| 14:30.52 | cast | http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ be a dead link now :< |
| 14:30.55 | RichiH | liable: equivs fails with 'parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted heading line, at file debian/changelog line 1' when trying to do installchangelogs |
| 14:30.59 | liable | daniele_982: i was under the impression that system beeps get sent to the sytem sound card |
| 14:31.12 | themill | !shell beep |
| 14:31.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, shell beep is man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm. |
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| 14:31.37 | themill | daniele_982: is it on the console or in an xterm/gnome-term/konsole? |
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| 14:31.42 | liable | RichiH: afraid i cant help with equivs, never personally used it |
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| 14:31.51 | daniele_982 | themill: gnome |
| 14:32.32 | themill | daniele_982: there's probably a setting in the gnome-terminal to use a different sort of beep. e.g. I have konsole set to visible bell. |
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| 14:32.39 | liable | RichiH: but line one of that file would be a good place to start looking ;) |
| 14:32.48 | n000b | daniele_982: you may want to check fancy beeper daemon for that task. softbeep has a problem with terminals like xterm |
| 14:33.01 | RichiH | liable: it does not exist at all :) |
| 14:33.21 | liable | RichiH: touch it and see |
| 14:33.35 | daniele_982 | no!!!! dmesg | grep -i pc speaker: nothing |
| 14:33.42 | eleftherios | I have followed the instructions at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/280 to set up a basic SMTP auth on a Lenny machine but port 25 does not respond. Any suggestions/ideas? |
| 14:34.29 | liable | RichiH: does it actually build a directory with the usual files in it before it creates a deb? |
| 14:34.32 | n000b | does anybody know a repository for icedove > 1.5? |
| 14:34.37 | RichiH | liable: tried that |
| 14:34.48 | themill | n000b: it's in sid |
| 14:34.49 | RichiH | liable: no, it does not |
| 14:34.53 | liable | RichiH: ok, there must be someone here thats used it |
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| 14:35.12 | daniele_982 | n000b: but i use gnome |
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| 14:36.24 | cast | night guys |
| 14:36.29 | n000b | daniele_982: that's exactly the reason i'm pointing you to fancy beeper daemon |
| 14:36.35 | toad_ | suggestions for ncurses audio playlist players other than mp3blaster ? |
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| 14:36.59 | n000b | daniele_982: it is implemented as a kernel module, it has nothing to do with LD_PRELOAD and the shell |
| 14:37.32 | liable | toad_: i like cplay, dunno if thats what your after |
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| 14:38.04 | toad_ | does it have a native alsa backend? |
| 14:38.04 | n000b | daniele_982: don't be too sad, on my laptop the beep is so loud i had to rmmod pcspkr :) |
| 14:38.04 | Timothy_97 | anyone have any idea why a network card would work during the installation process (debian 4.0 netinstall) but not after a reboot? It seems to use the forcedeth driver? but after the first reboot 'eth0' seems to be non existant |
| 14:38.18 | liable | toad_: it uses mpg321/mpg123 backend |
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| 14:41.22 | toad_ | hmmm well ideally i need a) both ogg and mp3 support (and ideally wav's too) b) a usable ncurses interface, and c) easily interacts with dmix |
| 14:41.26 | toad_ | alsa dmix |
| 14:42.04 | liable | it does ogg, dmix has nothing to do with the player, its a seperate thing. did you even look at it? |
| 14:42.31 | toad_ | aha, it does... |
| 14:42.37 | toad_ | yes, i've tried it |
| 14:42.42 | toad_ | it does indeed work for my purposes, cool |
| 14:42.51 | toad_ | sorry, i thought it was using OSS; anything that uses OSS breaks dmix |
| 14:43.09 | toad_ | thanks, it'll do very nicely |
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| 14:43.58 | toad_ | long live cplay :) |
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| 14:48.25 | Babyshacks | http://home.no.net/erust/interconnect%20two%20lans.JPG Why does this not inter connect the two lans? I'm not able to ping 192.168.0.10 from 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.51 |
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| 14:49.47 | maxamillion | Babyshacks: because you are deleting the route with that command? |
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| 14:50.27 | abrotman | i like the picture though! |
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| 14:51.41 | Babyshacks | error with the pic |
| 14:51.46 | Babyshacks | i do add |
| 14:51.47 | Babyshacks | lol |
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| 14:52.07 | maxamillion | Babyshacks: the hardware setup is correct, but i think your use of the 'route' command needs a little refinement ... i don't think those addresses are correct aside from the s/del/add issue |
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| 14:53.11 | Ranpha1 | Question is is possible to build router/dhcpserver/NAT/ with a download server and a GUI with debian? this all in a easy (maybe html gui) to use system |
| 14:53.28 | onats | how do i add more screen resolution sizes in X? only 640x480 is available... |
| 14:53.41 | maxamillion | Ranpha1: http://www.ebox-platform.com/ |
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| 14:53.42 | SlayerXP | Ranpha1: almost anything is possible. |
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| 14:54.12 | maxamillion | onats: as root/su enter the command --> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:54.18 | raqamy | to log to a remote host we use @hostname in syslog.conf, but what to do in syslog.conf in the remote machine to accept logging from our machine? |
| 14:54.26 | abrotman | onats: which driver are you using? |
| 14:54.32 | abrotman | onats: and what's your video card ? |
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| 14:55.47 | onats | maxamillion, thanks |
| 14:55.53 | maxamillion | onats: no problem |
| 14:55.57 | onats | abrotman, the reconfigure detects it as i810? |
| 14:56.19 | Ranpha1 | SlayerXP yeah true anything is possible..but is it possible for me :-) |
| 14:56.26 | maxamillion | onats: i assume its an onboard graphics for an intel motherboard? |
| 14:56.28 | onats | Intel 82845G |
| 14:56.30 | onats | yeah |
| 14:56.41 | eleftherios | I have followed the instructions at |
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| 14:57.05 | maxamillion | yeah, i810 module should work for it ... and i imagine it would run up to atleast 1280x1024 |
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| 14:57.26 | Ranpha1 | maxamillion ebox is also a package in debian testing? |
| 14:57.33 | onats | maxamillion, its asking me for the memory to allocate for the video... how much should i put? |
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| 14:57.51 | onats | i have 2 256MB sticks installed |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | onats: 16MB is a decent amount |
| 14:57.59 | CactusMD | how do i check if there are any programs using up my soundcard? |
| 14:58.04 | onats | abrotman, ok let me try that... |
| 14:58.04 | maxamillion | Ranpha1: well, its a side project that runs on debian so you have to add third party repositories .... i'm not entirely sure if they have lenny repos or not |
| 14:59.04 | maxamillion | brb |
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| 14:59.51 | CactusMD | there's no such command? |
| 14:59.54 | CactusMD | no way to check? |
| 15:00.22 | liable | CactusMD: what is your actuall problem? |
| 15:00.31 | onats | that's weird, i already added the 1024x768 resolution in the configuration, but in X it doesnt appear as an option in screen resolution choices.. |
| 15:00.42 | CactusMD | no sound but no error messages |
| 15:00.57 | CactusMD | and everythings turned up in alsamixer |
| 15:01.10 | liable | !soundcheck |
| 15:01.10 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
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| 15:01.32 | abrotman | CactusMD: fuser or lsof |
| 15:01.58 | liable | alsa sound devices are a pain to find for lsof |
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| 15:02.19 | Ranpha1 | maxamillion it has a own security update other than debian itself. Not a good idea if you ask me. Is their similair software? maybe without hte html gui |
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| 15:03.00 | CactusMD | cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp hangs |
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| 15:03.39 | liable | its not hanging, it just not reaching the speakers |
| 15:03.47 | liable | ^c |
| 15:04.07 | CactusMD | gonna have to reinstall alsa again |
| 15:04.15 | liable | hang on |
| 15:04.25 | liable | are you running gnome or kde? |
| 15:04.30 | CactusMD | kde |
| 15:04.33 | cahoot | CactusMD, if you test sound with aplay you'll possible get some useful error msg |
| 15:05.04 | liable | or kill artsd and try again |
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| 15:06.13 | CactusMD | link points to /tmp/ksocket-root can't create mcop directory |
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| 15:10.55 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 15:10.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 15:12.44 | xushi | I can't find a 4.0r1 iso. Does anyone know of a mirror that's updated ? |
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| 15:13.08 | liable | !d-i xushi |
| 15:13.08 | dpkg | xushi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:13.10 | abrotman | xushi: have they been made yet? |
| 15:13.21 | liable | surely |
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| 15:13.37 | xushi | liable: yes, and the link above says so too, but old mirrors |
| 15:13.39 | xushi | hence me asking |
| 15:13.40 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 15:13.41 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:13.54 | xushi | ah, i thought i read it was released yesterday |
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| 15:14.00 | abrotman | that's the "official" cd server .. or so it says .. no 4.0r1 that isee |
| 15:14.05 | liable | xushi: what do you mean old mirrors? |
| 15:14.15 | xushi | http://osnews.com/story.php/18478/Debian-GNULinux-4.0r1-Released |
| 15:14.40 | abrotman | xushi: that means Debian has released it .. not that the ISOs have been prepared |
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| 15:14.51 | xushi | liable: i actually mean the links in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ point to 4.0r0 when that same page says they should link to 4.0r1 |
| 15:15.01 | xushi | argh! people! |
| 15:15.04 | abrotman | xushi: hasn't been made yet |
| 15:15.07 | xushi | yes i know that. |
| 15:15.11 | liable | oh, that is strange, the page says 4.0r1 but the links are 4.o |
| 15:15.20 | liable | xushi: ack |
| 15:15.22 | xushi | my point is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ <--- go to that page |
| 15:15.25 | xushi | exactly! |
| 15:15.49 | themill | well, after the first upgrade which you have to do anyway, you are at r1.... |
| 15:15.59 | liable | still.. |
| 15:16.04 | xushi | themill : yea i know, but still :) |
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| 15:16.35 | liable | thats quite strange seeing as they do daily builds for upcoming releases |
| 15:16.39 | themill | given how long the release announcement too to get to the mailing lists, expect the isos to take a while too :) |
| 15:16.49 | liable | they should be built |
| 15:17.07 | liable | they have tools to build them, i suspect its a fuckup |
| 15:17.09 | xushi | they should not update that text before releasing the isos.. it causes confusion as such |
| 15:17.22 | liable | agreed |
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| 15:18.13 | xushi | anyway, off to home.. see ya all tomorrow |
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| 15:20.48 | bjorkBSD | isn't there a port for opera on debian? |
| 15:20.54 | bjorkBSD | i can't find it with apt-cache |
| 15:21.03 | azeem | bjorkBSD: opera is non-free software |
| 15:21.06 | xand | bjorkBSD: go to opera's website |
| 15:21.09 | azeem | bjorkBSD: you can get it from opera |
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| 15:21.27 | bjorkBSD | apt doesn't do non-free? i have it in my sources.list |
| 15:21.40 | azeem | bjorkBSD: opera doesn't allow Debian to distribute opera |
| 15:21.46 | liable | azeem: do you know whats going on with that installer page? |
| 15:21.48 | azeem | so there's nothing Debian can do about it |
| 15:21.54 | azeem | liable: what installer page? |
| 15:22.26 | liable | azeem: the d-i page is still offering 4.0r0 images, yet it says r1 |
| 15:22.53 | azeem | liable: are you sure r1 images have been built yet? |
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| 15:23.27 | liable | azeem: seeing as the installer team builds dailies, and the page says its 4.0r1, them one would expect so |
| 15:23.38 | liable | s/them/then/ |
| 15:23.46 | azeem | dailies != stable point releases |
| 15:24.07 | liable | azeem: then they shouldnt call it r1 on the page |
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| 15:24.23 | azeem | liable: I agree, but it's a transitional issue |
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| 15:25.54 | liable | why does it take 3 days to build cd images? |
| 15:26.05 | bjorkBSD | i d/led the .deb file and apt is playing blind. |
| 15:26.16 | azeem | liable: maybe the guy who usually does it isn't around right now |
| 15:26.52 | liable | azeem: yikes |
| 15:27.24 | azeem | liable: well, I saw him saying "/me looks at building r1 packages", but then he commented about how i386 now spans 3 DVDs or something |
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| 15:27.36 | azeem | that was over the weekend I think, no idea what the current status is |
| 15:27.37 | bjorkBSD | apt-get install *.deb no? |
| 15:27.59 | maxamillion | bjorkBSD: no |
| 15:27.59 | liable | no |
| 15:28.02 | azeem | bjorkBSD: no, that doesn't work |
| 15:28.07 | azeem | bjorkBSD: apt-get installs packages from repos |
| 15:28.07 | maxamillion | bjorkBSD: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 15:28.18 | bjorkBSD | oh. |
| 15:28.19 | bjorkBSD | hmmm |
| 15:28.21 | azeem | bjorkBSD: what package did you download? Why didn't you use apt in the first place? |
| 15:28.45 | bjorkBSD | <azeem> bjorkBSD: opera doesn't allow Debian to distribute opera |
| 15:28.57 | azeem | uh, ok |
| 15:29.05 | bjorkBSD | <azeem> bjorkBSD: you can get it from opera |
| 15:29.05 | azeem | use dpkg -i then I guess |
| 15:29.08 | bjorkBSD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.15 | azeem | I thought they provide an apt-get repo, though |
| 15:29.19 | azeem | provided* |
| 15:29.19 | maxamillion | or if you like a gui you could use gdebi |
| 15:29.37 | bjorkBSD | nah the cl is fine. |
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| 15:29.57 | maxamillion | azeem: it appears they do ... http://deb.opera.com/opera/ |
| 15:30.09 | bjorkBSD | i guess it's the same thing i've gotta do to get flash working. |
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| 15:30.37 | maxamillion | bjorkBSD: if you used iceweasel, it will install flash automatically for you |
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| 15:30.43 | bjorkBSD | on ppc? |
| 15:30.46 | maxamillion | bjorkBSD: i can't speak for opera though |
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| 15:31.05 | maxamillion | bjorkBSD: oh yeah, there isn't flash on ppc ... just gnu-flash/gnash which isn't very good |
| 15:31.32 | bjorkBSD | yeah. opera just crashed. it doesn't like youtube. |
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| 15:32.21 | bjorkBSD | oh c'mon, opera's a very good browser. |
| 15:32.34 | maxamillion | bjorkBSD: i think he was making fun of youtube, not opera |
| 15:32.42 | bjorkBSD | heheh |
| 15:32.46 | themill | *nod* |
| 15:33.15 | maxamillion | bjorkBSD: iceweasel crashes sometimes on youtube if you use gnu-flash/gnash also ... i think its actually just a gnu-flash/gnash plugin issue |
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| 15:33.45 | logd | !qt3 |
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| 15:34.14 | logd | hi i've been trying to install skype 4 linux and it asks for qt3.2 - what's the package ? |
| 15:35.07 | Skept | Hi, is it possible to use kde menu in fluxbox? |
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| 15:35.42 | maxamillion | Skept: yes |
| 15:35.51 | maxamillion | Skept: well ... you have to use the entire kde panel |
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| 15:35.56 | Skept | logd: try apt-cache search qt |
| 15:36.15 | Skept | maxamillion: Without the panel? |
| 15:36.23 | maxamillion | Skept: uhmm... not that i know of |
| 15:36.39 | maxamillion | :P |
| 15:36.41 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, I need to set up a corporate FTP server (clients require FTP access so I can't use SFTP)... does Debian make a good distribution for this sort of setup... what ftp application would you recommend? |
| 15:37.13 | SerajewelKS | Heavy-D: vsftpd is good |
| 15:37.17 | Skept | Heavy-D: Ofcourse. try vsftpd |
| 15:37.17 | maxamillion | Heavy-D: debian is stellar for this setup and i would say either proftpd or vsftpd |
| 15:37.32 | Skept | maxamillion: Okie dokie. Will look at pypanel |
| 15:37.33 | bjorkBSD | Heavy-D, so's bsd. but i digress. |
| 15:37.35 | Heavy-D | yeah i've heard a lot of recommendations for vsftpd, so I may try that. |
| 15:37.38 | bjorkBSD | anyone use xdmx? |
| 15:37.40 | SerajewelKS | Heavy-D: of course you want an ftp server, not an ftp application |
| 15:37.56 | Heavy-D | SerajewelKS: Yeah I realize my wording was a bit off there. |
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| 15:38.08 | bjorkBSD | ftp server application :) |
| 15:38.16 | maxamillion | Skept: http://pypanel.sourceforge.net <--- its very minimalistic, but if you are into that sort of thing its awesome ... i dunno how well it works with fluxbox though because flux isn't standards based |
| 15:38.24 | bjorkBSD | yes, hello.c is an application too. |
| 15:38.59 | Heavy-D | maybe I should use SQL accounts for the FTP accounts too.. what do you guys think about that? I hear it helps with security because you're not actually using local accounts. |
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| 15:39.32 | Heavy-D | bjorkBSD: What BSD do you like/recommend? |
| 15:39.41 | bjorkBSD | bjork's of course. :P |
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| 15:39.52 | bjorkBSD | don't mind me, i'm skipping work and i've had way too much coffee. |
| 15:40.06 | maxamillion | Heavy-D: that depends on what you need, the BSD flavors are normally geared for specific 'taste' |
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| 15:40.33 | Heavy-D | maxamillion: OpenBSD for security, for example? |
| 15:40.58 | bjorkBSD | yeah. and netbsd to run your toaster with ;) |
| 15:41.24 | ricky | And bjorkBSD to run bjork with? :D |
| 15:41.32 | bjorkBSD | to woo, ricky. woo. |
| 15:41.42 | ricky | Heh. |
| 15:41.45 | Heavy-D | Why is FreeBSD so popular? because of all the community support? |
| 15:41.58 | bjorkBSD | Heavy-D, you'll have to ask in ##freebsd |
| 15:42.03 | SerajewelKS | Heavy-D: whether you use a sql server for the accounts is up to how much you want to pollute your /etc/passwd with users, and how much control you want to give your users over permissions |
| 15:42.18 | Skept | FreeBSD is kinda easier to configure and maintain too </chuckle> |
| 15:42.20 | maxamillion | Heavy-D: exactly |
| 15:42.23 | SerajewelKS | Heavy-D: if you want each user to be able to own files then you need local accounts, because the filesystem doesn't track permissions using sql servers |
| 15:42.28 | bjorkBSD | maybe because of the linux binary support? |
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| 15:42.55 | Heavy-D | SerajewelKS:well there are actually only ever going to be a couple accounts on the server at any one time ... and they'll be rotated for security I think |
| 15:43.19 | SerajewelKS | Heavy-D: sql is probably the way to go then, since it doens't leave cruft for accounts that are deleted |
| 15:43.29 | SerajewelKS | Heavy-D: and you won't mess up your uid sequence |
| 15:43.34 | Heavy-D | SerajewelKS: Cool thanks ;) |
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| 15:45.57 | elenril | i heard that cdrkit is dead, is it true? |
| 15:46.24 | bjorkBSD | uhoh |
| 15:46.31 | bjorkBSD | my machine no longer does caps. |
| 15:47.01 | ricky | wodim :) |
| 15:47.04 | ricky | elenril: ^ |
| 15:47.30 | elenril | ricky, ? |
| 15:47.47 | ricky | I think it was replaced with wodim. |
| 15:48.01 | ricky | Due to some licensing issues, if I remember correctly. |
| 15:48.16 | elenril | afaik wodim is part of cdrkit |
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| 15:48.26 | elenril | and cdrkit replaced cdrtools |
| 15:49.27 | ricky | Wodim seems to be the name of the package, though. |
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| 15:50.12 | philll | hi all |
| 15:50.27 | ricky | !tell ricky about wodim |
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| 15:53.01 | disgruntal | I am using Gnome BitTorrent and it cant connect to some ip that i have no idea where it is but the rate of donwload is going to be 7 day's for a file i downloaded in 10 minutes on my other computer... anyideas? |
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| 15:53.21 | bjorkBSD | dns issues/ |
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| 15:53.32 | disgruntal | in my host file? |
| 15:53.34 | bjorkBSD | damn. my shift key's broken. |
| 15:53.59 | cmacis | afternoon all. Is there a way I can get knetworkmanager to keep the admin password so I don't have to give it every login? |
| 15:54.29 | logd | hi i've been trying to install skype 4 linux and it asks for qt3.2 - what's the package ? |
| 15:54.33 | logd | is libqt-mt ? |
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| 15:55.15 | disgruntal | bjorkBSD: is the host file in /etc? |
| 15:55.45 | bjorkimacg3 | yeah. |
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| 15:56.42 | disgruntal | is the host the main file or host.conf? |
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| 15:57.38 | asg | !nickometer Fro0[-_-]0ozeN |
| 15:57.39 | dpkg | 'Fro0[-_-]0ozeN' is 99.9021% lame, asg |
| 15:58.01 | Fro0[-_-]0ozeN | ;) |
| 15:58.06 | bjorkimacg3 | disgruntal, check your resolv.conf file. |
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| 15:58.18 | disgruntal | ty... still a little new :-) |
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| 15:58.37 | bjorkimacg3 | that's okay. even linus was new at one point. |
| 15:58.52 | disgruntal | I like that! |
| 15:59.09 | bjorkimacg3 | tut tut. he RTFM'ed massively. |
| 15:59.10 | bjorkimacg3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.14 | rhs | anyone here dual boots with vista ? |
| 16:00.19 | xand | !anyone |
| 16:00.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:00.44 | Siddharta | hello gentlemen |
| 16:00.45 | rhs | I can't find my User folder on the ntfs partition of vista |
| 16:01.04 | Budweiser | any one speak spanish? |
| 16:01.05 | bjorkimacg3 | anything good in that folder? |
| 16:01.06 | Siddharta | i'm in dual boot system and i definitely not understand my clock setting |
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| 16:01.12 | bjorkimacg3 | Budweiser, un poco. |
| 16:01.25 | SerajewelKS | rhs: how is that remotely a debian question... |
| 16:01.26 | logd | <rhs>it's the same as it is for xp |
| 16:01.29 | Budweiser | quiero poner la barra de frecuencia y eso.. |
| 16:01.34 | rhs | I can't find any file that's in my User folder |
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| 16:01.41 | Siddharta | i 'm always 2 hours too much |
| 16:01.46 | logd | <rhs>and also on like me boots lnx+vista+xp |
| 16:01.56 | disgruntal | bjorkimacg3: everything looks like it should.. Points the the dns name and the dns entries are to my router.. any idea? is there a setting in Gnome Bittorrent that i missed? |
| 16:01.58 | Siddharta | i did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:02.06 | Siddharta | chose the correct country |
| 16:02.11 | SerajewelKS | rhs: ##windows |
| 16:02.15 | Siddharta | but nothing better |
| 16:02.26 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:02.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:02.40 | rhs | SerajewelKS, ok ok |
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| 16:02.49 | xand | rhs: nothign to do with debian |
| 16:02.59 | Siddharta | does someone could help me please |
| 16:03.00 | bjorkimacg3 | alli obtendran mucho mas ayuda |
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| 16:03.23 | abrotman | bjorkimacg3: english |
| 16:03.25 | Siddharta | every mail i send are badly tiimed |
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| 16:03.33 | abrotman | !tell Siddharta about ntp |
| 16:03.43 | abrotman | bjorkimacg3: if you want to continue .. use #debian-es |
| 16:03.57 | bjorkimacg3 | gracias abrotman. |
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| 16:04.11 | xand | Siddharta: send them at a better time then :) |
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| 16:06.04 | kv | how to install enlightenment17 on debian? |
| 16:06.49 | Siddharta | abrotman: i got no tzconfig command |
| 16:07.08 | Siddharta | and none available with aptitude search tzconfig |
| 16:07.17 | abrotman | Siddharta: use ntp |
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| 16:10.42 | xerophtye22 | which package has aticonfig ? |
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| 16:13.43 | SORMANOV | does this host resolve to anything: svn.sourceforge.net ? |
| 16:14.00 | xand | SORMANOV: ask nslookup. |
| 16:14.29 | SORMANOV | xand, he's not on #debian :D |
| 16:14.36 | SORMANOV | :) |
| 16:14.38 | ricky | Haha. |
| 16:14.43 | ricky | Well, no for me. |
| 16:14.53 | SORMANOV | nslookup doesnt resolve it |
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| 16:15.20 | cmacis | Hi all, I'm wanting knetworkmanager to run without asking for admin password every login. Does anyone know how I can do this? |
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| 16:17.10 | cmacis | If anyone answered just then, kopete crashed |
| 16:17.19 | xand | they didn't |
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| 16:18.12 | cmacis | shame |
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| 16:23.23 | bjorkimacg3 | brb |
| 16:23.26 | Siddharta | thank you very much abrotman |
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| 16:25.05 | Siddharta | now i don't understand why , if i type as user : xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 6 7" , i can use all button of my logitec trackman but if i put this into xorg.conf : |
| 16:25.50 | Siddharta | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.56 | Siddharta | it doesn't work |
| 16:26.54 | Siddharta | so i would like to run this command each time my laptop boots, where do you think i have to put these command , in my .bashrc file ?? |
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| 16:32.25 | lera_zed | hi, i am having an autoconf generated shell configure script, which perfectly works on Ubuntu/BSD/etc but fails on debian etch, i found the shell code for macros that fails, but cant understand under which conditions this could happend :( |
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| 16:33.44 | davis | how do I list the cron jobs registered in /etc/cron.d, /etc/cron.daily, etc. crontab -l says no jobs for root. |
| 16:34.10 | asg | davis: ls |
| 16:34.16 | lordrich | davis: find /etc/cron.d/ |
| 16:34.46 | davis | yes, I can see there are files in there, but shouldn't they be listed in crontab -l output? |
| 16:35.06 | asg | davis: no, it's a different mechanism |
| 16:35.25 | asg | davis: all crontab -l does is cat /var/spool/cron/cronjobs/<user> |
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| 16:35.44 | thirst | Siddharta: in your .xinitrc file |
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| 16:36.01 | davis | so, if its in /etc/cron.d* it will run if ps auxw | grep cron is running? |
| 16:36.14 | davis | if I make a change, i just do /etc/init.d/cron reload, right? |
| 16:36.41 | asg | davis: no, cron picks the change up automatically. read cron(8) for the full skinny |
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| 16:37.35 | Siddharta | thirst: ok thank you very much |
| 16:37.37 | davis | asg, ok. many thanks. |
| 16:37.46 | asg | you're welcome |
| 16:38.11 | davis | asg: one more thing. Is it possible to force cron to run something as a test, rather than changing the system time? |
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| 16:39.30 | thirst | davis: change the time to match the system time for testing..:) |
| 16:39.56 | thirst | davis: i mean your scheduled time in crontab file to current time.. |
| 16:40.00 | davis | thirst: ok. that makes sense. |
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| 16:40.12 | davis | thanks |
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| 16:42.56 | bjorkBSD | anyone here ever used xdmx? |
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| 16:44.34 | nuxis | xdmx the login manager? |
| 16:44.53 | JordiGH | !anyone |
| 16:44.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 16:45.18 | jelly | nuxis: that would be just "xdm" |
| 16:45.22 | nuxis | ok :) |
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| 16:47.27 | CharminTheMoose | hm, could I use jack_capture to make a live streaming wave file? |
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| 16:49.29 | bjorkBSD | !xdmx |
| 16:49.58 | simonrvn | xdm maybe |
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| 16:52.32 | nuxis | I can't get quota working.. need to mount the /home/user but it is one great partition someone knows more about it..? |
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| 16:53.49 | jelly | bjorkBSD: at least it's availabe. |
| 16:54.06 | bjorkBSD | i know. i'm trying to get it to work. |
| 16:55.24 | dogmeat | how can i flush the write cash to the floppy? |
| 16:55.39 | simonrvn | 'cache' |
| 16:55.46 | simonrvn | sync |
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| 16:56.33 | dogmeat | simonrvn, thanks ... didnt see the drive light go on thou |
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| 16:56.59 | simonrvn | floppy doesn't usually get a jounralling fs either ;) |
| 16:57.07 | simonrvn | journ* |
| 16:57.12 | dogmeat | simonrvn, hmm, guess the drive wasn't mounted :D |
| 16:57.16 | simonrvn | *hint* |
| 16:57.24 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 16:57.32 | sayers | how do I find out if I'm on lenny? |
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| 16:57.42 | simonrvn | !version |
| 16:57.42 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 16:58.08 | bjorkBSD | why won't ctr+alt +/- change my screen resolution? |
| 16:58.15 | sayers | Alright i'm on lenny. |
| 16:58.17 | bjorkBSD | there're at least two entries in x.org |
| 16:58.21 | thirst | bjorkBSD: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/os-mltihed/index.html |
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| 16:58.33 | bjorkBSD | thirst, i'm reading it right now :) |
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| 16:58.41 | Supaplex | stoned: wazzup? :) |
| 16:59.34 | sayers | Shouldn't pidgeon be in the respos ? |
| 16:59.38 | sayers | as it is the newer gaim. |
| 16:59.41 | bjorkBSD | brb |
| 16:59.51 | simonrvn | pidgin it's called |
| 16:59.54 | sayers | ah |
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| 17:00.16 | sayers | thanks simonrvn |
| 17:00.21 | simonrvn | np |
| 17:00.36 | sayers | Also, where can I change the appmenu in flux box to my liking :s |
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| 17:00.59 | simonrvn | ~/.fluxbox dir? don't recall |
| 17:01.01 | slump | dasdklaskl |
| 17:01.33 | thirst | ~/.fluxbox/menu |
| 17:01.47 | sayers | thirst, I think it's etc/x11/fluxbox/fluxmenu |
| 17:01.53 | sayers | since that redircts to there |
| 17:02.00 | thirst | sayers: that will change it for all users.. |
| 17:02.05 | sayers | yeah |
| 17:02.12 | sayers | okay then how do I change it just for me? |
| 17:02.23 | thirst | sayers: better way would be make a local copy any modify |
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| 17:04.23 | sayers | ah it already has what i need just let me restart X |
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| 17:05.08 | sayers | Alright yay ! |
| 17:05.28 | Supaplex | !cheer |
| 17:05.29 | dpkg | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
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| 17:05.55 | thirst | sayers: no need to restart X you can simply reload fluxbox config or simply restart fluxbox |
| 17:06.21 | sayers | thirst, I just got back from things breaking left-and-right. 3 keys were easier :) |
| 17:06.41 | thirst | sayers: heh. |
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| 17:07.05 | sayers | plus I miss the dpkg-bot :) |
| 17:07.41 | simonrvn | !comfort sayers |
| 17:07.41 | dpkg | There, there, sayers. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:07.53 | Supaplex | :} |
| 17:08.02 | jetx | ~bite sayers |
| 17:08.02 | apt | ACTION takes a big bite out of sayers's jugular vein |
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| 17:13.53 | sayers | Whats that one filing system for Fluxbox? |
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| 17:14.17 | jatos | hey |
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| 17:14.41 | jatos | are there any known problems with using an old version of Xorg? |
| 17:14.46 | jatos | ie 6.9.0 |
| 17:15.37 | ju_ | After upgrading from sarge to etch, my logs have stopped to rotate : especially syslog, apache2 logs and postfix log. After 1 week my postfix log is 1gb. |
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| 17:15.59 | ju_ | I have no idea about the trouble, everything looks ok. |
| 17:16.12 | Supaplex | ju_: is cron running? |
| 17:16.16 | lakcaj | maybe more fibre in your diet? |
| 17:16.21 | yetifoot | does anyone here use the ktechlab that comes with debian? |
| 17:16.24 | ju_ | Supaplex, yes |
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| 17:16.38 | bjorkBSD | this is annoying. |
| 17:16.47 | bjorkBSD | i can run xterms from debian on this box. |
| 17:16.53 | bjorkBSD | but i can't run xterms from this box to debian. |
| 17:16.59 | bjorkBSD | and xhost has been enabled :| |
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| 17:17.26 | Krassy | hi all |
| 17:17.35 | simonrvn | effing logrotate |
| 17:17.36 | sayers | How do I restart flux without restarting X? |
| 17:17.48 | asg | sayers: right click, reconfigure |
| 17:17.51 | Supaplex | bjorkBSD: that's what ssh forwarding is for. xhost is not a very secure idea |
| 17:17.55 | simonrvn | sayers: typically with --restart |
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| 17:18.06 | simonrvn | what asg said ;) |
| 17:18.10 | bjorkBSD | what do you mean? |
| 17:18.13 | sayers | I just installed rox but it doesn't reload my application list |
| 17:18.22 | Supaplex | !xhost |
| 17:18.23 | dpkg | methinks xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 17:18.28 | ju_ | Supaplex, and litterature on google speaks about trouble when there is somethong like ispconfig or cpanel, but it's not the case for me. I don't have anything like that, just a raw etch. |
| 17:18.34 | asg | sayers: if Reconfigure doesn't work, try Restart |
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| 17:18.56 | bjorkBSD | i can't ssh into the debian box n e how, so what difference does it make? |
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| 17:19.27 | solar_sea | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 17:19.27 | dpkg | somebody said mit-magic-cookie was 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
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| 17:19.43 | Krassy | is the default kernel of debian etch are compile with IP multicast enable or i must compile my own new kernel ? |
| 17:19.45 | sayers | that did the trick |
| 17:19.59 | ju_ | bjorkBSD, can you try nmap -p22 yourbox to see if ssh server is active (port 22 should be opened) |
| 17:20.33 | AKX | Hey.. How can I create a ramdisk under Linux? |
| 17:20.35 | Supaplex | Krassy: kernel configs are in /boot/ - take a look. (grep/less/etc) |
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| 17:21.12 | Supaplex | AKX: tmpfs makes it easy. |
| 17:21.17 | solar_sea | when compiling a new kernel, is there a way to get the config from my current one ? [from a deb package] |
| 17:21.19 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:21.27 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:21.40 | AKX | Supaplex, I have a live-cd running, and I'd like to copy the CD contents into a ramdisk to see how quickly it'd run |
| 17:21.45 | solar_sea | ops, i'm not reading a few lines above :) |
| 17:22.33 | Supaplex | AKX: mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /where I don't recall the tmpfs options, because I always check the man page. man mount |
| 17:22.47 | ju_ | solar_sea, in /boot you have a file with the current config. |
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| 17:23.33 | Supaplex | solar_sea: is the deb installed already, or no? |
| 17:23.46 | solar_sea | it's installed and it's in /boot as you and ju_ both said |
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| 17:24.11 | Supaplex | gr00vyness. |
| 17:24.11 | solar_sea | I'm gonna try compiling a new one, that one has problems with a certain game and flash drives |
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| 17:24.29 | itchi | TrueDD: Bonsoir |
| 17:24.35 | solar_sea | btw, is there a problem if I use the config from a 2.6.18 to a 2.6.22 ? |
| 17:24.51 | bjorkBSD | it appears it's closed. |
| 17:24.52 | itchi | solar_sea: Just copy the config file that where provided with that deb |
| 17:24.53 | TrueDD | bonsoir itchi :) |
| 17:25.01 | bjorkBSD | does debian use inetd.conf ? |
| 17:25.04 | bjorkBSD | !inetd |
| 17:25.04 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about "update-inetd" |
| 17:25.09 | bjorkBSD | !inetd.conf |
| 17:25.13 | itchi | solar_sea: You need to execute that config 'upgrade' comand |
| 17:25.17 | bjorkBSD | !update-inetd |
| 17:25.17 | dpkg | update-inetd - create, remove, enable or disable entry in /etc/inetd.conf, 'man 8 update-inetd' |
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| 17:25.31 | solar_sea | itchi, how do I do this, make config upgrade or ? |
| 17:25.57 | itchi | solar_sea: make oldconfig |
| 17:25.59 | Supaplex | solar_sea: make oldconfig fixes that. |
| 17:26.23 | solar_sea | okey, and under what name should I copy it, iirc it was .config ? |
| 17:26.33 | Supaplex | yes |
| 17:26.42 | itchi | solar_sea: But for you're own good, i should avoid that. To learn about ... Or make a diff on the old and new version of it |
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| 17:26.48 | Supaplex | and despite 'oldconfig' it works either way. (upgrade/downgrade), incase you ever need to borrow a .config from a newer kernel. :) |
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| 17:28.09 | solar_sea | well, the one from etch works fine safe that wine-run game and some flash drives, the one from lenny fails at detecting my keyboard and I can't log on |
| 17:28.23 | solar_sea | looks like I'll have to make one on my own based on the latest version |
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| 17:28.58 | itchi | solar_sea: Do a diff on the old and new one ;-) |
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| 17:29.36 | itchi | s/and/with/ |
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| 17:30.09 | fnf | Is there a way to have aptitude/apt list all of the available versions of a package?. The man pages only mention how to install a particular version, but it's a pain to go looking up the exact string in the repository. |
| 17:30.26 | Supaplex | solar_sea: if you're having a problem with a stock debian kernel, check bugs.debian.org. use reportbug if you believe it's not your cause. |
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| 17:31.06 | hark | fnf: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 17:31.10 | bjorkBSD | gah! where's sshd on this damned thing? |
| 17:31.15 | itchi | fnf: I think this is not possible, or to do with another release |
| 17:31.31 | solar_sea | hm, so far the one that worked best for me was from an oldstable install image from kmuto. after a hdd crash several things don't work with my current, although the versions were the same [2.6.18] |
| 17:31.44 | itchi | bjorkBSD: Here on my box :-p |
| 17:31.51 | itchi | bjorkBSD: You want open ssh |
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| 17:32.30 | itchi | bjorkBSD: If it's already installed, look to the installed files with dpkg -L openssh-server |
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| 17:33.08 | fnf | hark: this is not exactly what I want, I need to downgrade to an older version of a package, 'policy' lists different versions in different repos. |
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| 17:33.57 | Will_Cego | hi |
| 17:34.24 | Will_Cego | can somebody tell me how to boot debian 4.0 r0 with Open Firmware on a PPC machine? |
| 17:34.25 | itchi | fnf: Do you want the '-t'? |
| 17:34.43 | fnf | itchi: what do you mean?. |
| 17:34.52 | hark | fnf: you said all available versions |
| 17:35.05 | itchi | fnf: You want to install an older version? aptitude install -t old-foo bar |
| 17:35.12 | itchi | bah, i'm tired :-s |
| 17:35.34 | itchi | fnf: I think you can not install an other version, but only of another realease |
| 17:35.39 | fnf | hark: yup, but that lists all newest versions in different repositories. |
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| 17:35.52 | itchi | fnf: At least, not with apt/aptitude as far as i know |
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| 17:36.03 | fnf | itchi: that's what I found, since there doesn't seem to be a way to specify the exact version string. |
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| 17:36.15 | fnf | hark, itchi: thanks. |
| 17:36.25 | itchi | fnf: Fetch it of the archieves and install it manually with dpkg i may say. |
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| 17:37.19 | fnf | itchi: Alright. |
| 17:37.28 | hark | unless you have sdn in your repos, the older versions are not available |
| 17:37.37 | fnf | hark: sdn? |
| 17:37.37 | hrlmec | I'm a little confused about doing a fresh install and raiding the drives. Do I setup the partitions first, then configure the raid in the installer? Or do I have to setup th epartitions and configure the raiding after the install is done>? |
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| 17:37.50 | hark | !sdn |
| 17:37.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 17:38.05 | itchi | hhhmm, interesting |
| 17:38.31 | itchi | I thought these should be installed manually |
| 17:38.33 | fnf | hark: 'rumour has it' :p heh |
| 17:38.49 | itchi | fnf: That's fun of dpkg, not take that to much in consideration ;-) |
| 17:39.09 | itchi | fnf: Retry the same in pm, you may see that he change that part of the phrase |
| 17:39.13 | Budweiser | in what place save the cursors?? |
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| 17:40.07 | itchi | Budweiser: I just looked with an installed cursor packet dpkg -L comixcursors |
| 17:40.14 | fnf | It's OK by me, but some packages have huge dependencies that would be much better to leave them automagically handed by aptitude. |
| 17:40.18 | fnf | !sdn |
| 17:40.18 | dpkg | hmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 17:40.27 | DustyBin | ive found a interesting way to learn about what goes on in your linux box. just do tail /var/log/sys -f and watch exactly what your box gets up to. |
| 17:40.31 | fnf | =) |
| 17:40.42 | DustyBin | *syslog |
| 17:40.43 | Budweiser | itchi, thx |
| 17:40.49 | bjorkBSD | this is annoying. |
| 17:41.04 | bjorkBSD | nmap -p22 acknowledges the existence of ssh |
| 17:41.13 | bjorkBSD | but i still can't login from this machine to that one :( |
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| 17:42.03 | itchi | !tell fnf about selftell |
| 17:42.06 | jelly | bjorkBSD: ssh -vvv that-one; where does it stop? |
| 17:42.15 | itchi | That's very handy ;-) |
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| 17:42.28 | ju_ | jelly, i was up to ask the same question as jelly. |
| 17:42.42 | itchi | bjorkBSD: Firewall, fail2ban or some stuff that drop the ssh connection? |
| 17:42.43 | bjorkBSD | connecting to imac port 22 |
| 17:42.54 | bjorkBSD | i don't remember setting up a firewall. |
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| 17:43.09 | bjorkBSD | unless ... does debian come with a firewall by default preinstalled? |
| 17:43.17 | itchi | bjorkBSD: Or some tools that block the ssh if you have tried to much with the password of the sister :-p |
| 17:43.17 | jelly | negative |
| 17:43.18 | DustyBin | no |
| 17:43.23 | ju_ | your imac is with osSEX or with a linux dist ? |
| 17:43.31 | bjorkBSD | ju_, debian |
| 17:43.40 | bjorkBSD | ssh: connect to host imac port 22: Operation timed out |
| 17:43.53 | jelly | bjorkBSD: telnet imac 22 works? |
| 17:43.56 | jelly | (shouldn't) |
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| 17:44.27 | bjorkBSD | heh. no |
| 17:44.29 | ju_ | bjorkBSD, in your /etc/hosts have you told who is imac ? |
| 17:44.37 | bjorkBSD | yeah. |
| 17:44.41 | bjorkBSD | they know each other. |
| 17:44.42 | jelly | bjorkBSD: sounds like nmap lied, or you didn't ask it the right question |
| 17:44.47 | ju_ | bjorkBSD, if you try with the ip in place of imac, it should work. |
| 17:44.58 | itchi | bjorkBSD: Yeah, try maybe first on the ip |
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| 17:46.15 | sognix | help! I am having a problem with python on Debian which has caused my Plesk server to stop functioning... I keep getting an error saying that "python is not configured yet". |
| 17:46.36 | ju_ | jelly, sometimes nmap is lying, and it happens only on monday. |
| 17:47.13 | jelly | ju_: tell me why! I don't like Mondays |
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| 17:47.24 | ju_ | jelly, nmap neither. |
| 17:47.28 | itchi | brb later, eat time right now :-) |
| 17:47.52 | ju_ | By the way, is there anybody who faced some logs rotation troubles after upgrading to etch ? |
| 17:48.01 | bjorkBSD | nope. |
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| 17:48.11 | bjorkBSD | the ip address didn't make a difference. operation was timed out again. |
| 17:48.22 | bjorkBSD | i can ssh localhost |
| 17:48.23 | jelly | so you have a network issue |
| 17:48.26 | bjorkBSD | on either machine... |
| 17:48.29 | bjorkBSD | hmm i see. |
| 17:48.33 | ju_ | bjorkBSD, i agrre with jelly |
| 17:48.40 | bjorkBSD | i'll try something else then. |
| 17:48.46 | jelly | ping works? |
| 17:48.46 | DustyBin | ju_: i had a log problem today, but it was nothing to do with etch, i had a serious problem with LIRC what sent 12gigs worth of errors to my syslog |
| 17:48.55 | Vlet | Is there a way to have all files created in my /var/www set as 755 without having to chmod them every time a new one is created or change each users' umask? |
| 17:49.37 | ju_ | Thanks DustyBin, my issue is rather different. |
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| 17:49.47 | ju_ | Vlet, I think it is the case by default. |
| 17:50.04 | jelly | sognix: if that's a Plesk error, you'll need to contact support. If it's a system error, please pastebin the exact command you ran and complete output |
| 17:50.06 | ju_ | Vlet, at least when root is creating the files. |
| 17:50.48 | Vlet | ju_: I'm hoping to make it so anyone in the webdev group can edit the files in the web root... perhaps there's another way? |
| 17:50.53 | ju_ | bjorkBSD, you trouble is so weird. |
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| 17:51.43 | ju_ | Vlet, so your perm should be 775 and not 755 |
| 17:51.44 | bjorkBSD | i know what it was. a routing issue. |
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| 17:52.03 | bjorkBSD | i've got two routers and it was attached to the second one. |
| 17:52.14 | bjorkBSD | put it back on the main one, and it's fine. |
| 17:52.19 | Vlet | ju_: perm? |
| 17:52.19 | sognix | http://pastebin.com/m4bc54153 |
| 17:52.30 | ju_ | you have to make the second router act as a switch. |
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| 17:52.45 | ju_ | bjorkBSD, it is not always possible. |
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| 17:54.00 | Vlet | ju_: oh, permission, duh - sorry - afternoon groggies :) ... yes, I know the permission should be 775, but I'm trying to find a way to have all files created in /var/www automatically set as 775 |
| 17:54.00 | bjorkBSD | what isn't always possible? |
| 17:54.27 | infester | Hey! I'm searching for an ftp-client with ability to login and upload a file from command line in one single command... does anybody know any such? |
| 17:55.03 | DustyBin | scp |
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| 17:55.42 | fsdsa | what is the last debian verson avaialble stable right now? |
| 17:55.54 | DustyBin | etch |
| 17:55.54 | lunk | 4.0/etch |
| 17:55.58 | fsdsa | ok thanks you |
| 17:56.17 | fsdsa | 4.0 r0 is it? |
| 17:56.23 | asg | r1 |
| 17:56.24 | lunk | maybe r1? |
| 17:56.55 | infester | DustyBin: hmm, neve knew i could connect to ftp via scp... could you give me an example please? |
| 17:56.59 | fsdsa | where cna iget the last version ? kernel-images do not have it |
| 17:57.12 | ju_ | infester, scp does it but is using ssh in background, otherwise lftp should do it. Also weex is usefull to upload upgrades of full direcrtotie |
| 17:57.20 | DustyBin | infester: sorry scp uses ssh |
| 17:58.45 | lunk | infester: can you ssh to the machine running the ssh server? |
| 17:58.46 | infester | thanks alot ju_ and DustyBin |
| 17:59.07 | lunk | infester: you might be able to construct a tunnel to transport ftp traffic over |
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| 18:00.35 | infester | oh... yes i can, the thing is im just trying to make a script running once a day uploading a specified directory to make a backup, so i just want it simple =) |
| 18:00.47 | ju_ | infester, lunk is right, that's the best way for safety, don't forget that with ftp passwords are travelling unmasked on the network. |
| 18:00.52 | infester | and ive never gotten tunnels with ssh working either :( |
| 18:01.07 | infester | oh, thats true |
| 18:01.21 | infester | so maybe i should have a permanent tunnel between the backup machine and the client |
| 18:01.56 | ampex | Is there an easy way to verify that a USB device is utilizing USB 2.0? |
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| 18:02.03 | DustyBin | if your using to backup, you should think about using rsync |
| 18:02.10 | asg | infester: you might also look at sshfs or ftpfs |
| 18:02.40 | jelly | infester: no such thing as a permanent tunnel, network connections fail... |
| 18:02.53 | ju_ | infester : ssh -L 8389:192.168.1.16:3389 -L 8900:192.168.1.20:5900 root@219.143.80.173 would transport rdesktop and vnc of the named machines on the port 8900 and 8389 of localhost. |
| 18:03.03 | infester | yea true |
| 18:03.18 | infester | ju_ thanks, ill try it out |
| 18:03.21 | ju_ | The case is typical of a connection to a distant intranet. |
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| 18:03.54 | infester | ok |
| 18:04.09 | jelly | infester: you can use ssh authentication with keys and any of the rsync-based utilities. rsync works well over ssh. |
| 18:04.37 | infester | sweet |
| 18:04.50 | jelly | infester: this works if you can connect from the backup server to the backup client via ssh. |
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| 18:05.03 | infester | yea |
| 18:05.09 | infester | alright, thanks alot folks |
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| 18:06.03 | jelly | rsnapshot is a simple rsync wrapper script that I use to backup a bandwidth-challenged machine |
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| 18:07.39 | xand | arse |
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| 18:08.13 | slept | how do I change the value for the charging state , i found a lot of tools to get the info but none yet to set the value. My problem is that the battery is 0% full but "charged" so it stays empty |
| 18:09.39 | jelly | nic |
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| 18:09.59 | bjorkBSD | brb |
| 18:10.02 | giupy | hi all |
| 18:10.17 | ameyer | owned... |
| 18:10.49 | ameyer | well, if it actually booted him |
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| 18:16.29 | Heavy-D | on a base install of Squid 2.6 ... is caching running by default? or do you have to enable it? I'm sorry to ask in here but the people in #squid aren't answering. hehe |
| 18:16.48 | Heavy-D | err ... default configuration is what I mean |
| 18:17.00 | Supaplex | Heavy-D: what distro? |
| 18:17.10 | Heavy-D | Supaplex: Debian |
| 18:17.19 | Heavy-D | Supaplex: Etch |
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| 18:17.41 | Supaplex | Heavy-D: no reason to be sorry about debian questions here. carry on :) |
| 18:18.24 | Heavy-D | I just installed Squid 2.6 on debian .... and I was wondering if Caching is turned on with default configurations or whether you actually have to enable it |
| 18:18.27 | asg | Heavy-D: yes, it should be caching by default. |
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| 18:19.00 | Heavy-D | asg: ../var/cache is the cache directory? |
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| 18:20.44 | asg | Heavy-D: /var/spool/squid (see the cache_fs setting in /etc/squid/squid.conf) |
| 18:21.00 | Heavy-D | asg: Excellent. Thanks very much :) |
| 18:21.05 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 18:22.41 | Supaplex | Heavy-D: and if you have heavy use, /var/spool/squid can be its own filesystem/mount-point. (I've seen that hosed a few times - sucks to be you when it happens) |
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| 18:22.52 | Supaplex | sucks less if it's just /var/spool/squid :) |
| 18:24.15 | scrip | hey, I'm still trying to get postfix/sasl authentication working |
| 18:24.17 | Heavy-D | Supaplex: It will be used for approximately 150 users. Althought not super large amount of trafffic |
| 18:24.28 | scrip | how can I get more verbose logs from the sasl module? |
| 18:24.39 | Heavy-D | Supaplex: Is the cache size limited by default? Is it defined somehwere in squid.conf |
| 18:24.42 | scrip | is there a setting I can put in the smtpd.conf? |
| 18:25.16 | Supaplex | Heavy-D: I don't recall. it has been a few years since I was in charge of squid here. |
| 18:25.41 | asg | Heavy-D: it's defined in /etc/squid/squid.conf |
| 18:25.58 | Gm4n | My system is currently a little messed up... when I boot it, after going through a lot of things, it says "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...", then drops me into BusyBox. I'm running etch. What can I do? |
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| 18:26.39 | Heavy-D | Supaplex: Thanks :) |
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| 18:26.53 | Heavy-D | asg: you know the setting off the top of your head? |
| 18:27.50 | asg | Heavy-D: the default? Look for the cache_mem and cache_dir section in the config. All are fully commented. |
| 18:28.22 | Heavy-D | asg: Again, thanks :D |
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| 18:28.57 | asg | Heavy-D: if you are doing serious caching, the O'Reilly book on squid has some great info and is written by the guy who wrote squid. |
| 18:29.31 | Heavy-D | asg: hrmm yeah maybe I should look into that |
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| 18:30.08 | asg | Heavy-D: but for basic use, the defaults should work fine. |
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| 18:30.47 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 18:30.47 | Haris | !paste |
| 18:30.47 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 18:31.30 | DocTomoe | how can I get PEAR installer 1.6.0 for debian etch? |
| 18:31.37 | scrip | can someone help me with postfix/sasl? ginmf |
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| 18:31.40 | Haris | Guys |
| 18:31.43 | DocTomoe | Somehow, It seems stuck on 1.4.something |
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| 18:31.55 | Haris | Any idea where I can paste pics for an example or discussion? |
| 18:32.06 | xand | !paste |
| 18:32.06 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:32.09 | Haris | picpaste.com is not working |
| 18:32.09 | xand | Haris: there |
| 18:32.14 | xand | oh. |
| 18:32.16 | xand | flickr? c.c |
| 18:32.21 | Haris | works |
| 18:32.23 | Haris | without the www. |
| 18:32.26 | Haris | :| |
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| 18:32.27 | Haris | Thanks! |
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| 18:34.46 | sayers | Hello. |
| 18:34.48 | Vasistha | g'day all. I just installed etch on an old box here. When I did the install, I didn't have a network cable plugged in; now that I've plugged one in, I can't find the network interface! any ideas? |
| 18:34.52 | JordiGH | !greet sayers |
| 18:34.53 | dpkg | Hello, sayers |
| 18:34.59 | sayers | Whenever I install something in debian my flux box menu goes back to reset |
| 18:35.06 | Supaplex | Vasistha: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:35.08 | sayers | the peeps at #fluxbox told me to ask here. |
| 18:35.17 | Vasistha | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 18:35.42 | Supaplex | Vasistha: provided ifconfig -a shows it, otherwise consider modprobing your driver to |
| 18:35.52 | Supaplex | !tell Vasistha -about modconf |
| 18:35.54 | Gm4n | who here can help me with BusyBox? My debian system is having some issues =( |
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| 18:36.17 | JordiGH | Gm4n: What issues? |
| 18:36.20 | qrck | so when is apache4 comin ? |
| 18:36.24 | qrck | lol |
| 18:36.27 | xand | sayers: mine too... shouldn't effect the one in ~/.fluxbox though |
| 18:36.40 | sayers | xand, then what do I do? |
| 18:36.57 | JordiGH | etch is 3 dvds, right? |
| 18:36.57 | Supaplex | Gm4n: it sounds like your root= differs from what your boot loader used. is /boot on its own partition? is lvm or md involved? |
| 18:36.58 | Vasistha | Supaplex: thanks - duh - I'm up now :) |
| 18:37.09 | Gm4n | JordiGH: when I start my computer, it goes through a lot of the boot process, including MD starting the raid1 of my two non-boot drives. However, it then gets stuck on "Begin: Watiing for root file system" |
| 18:37.17 | sepski | JordiGH, for 1 arch, yes but you dont need them all. |
| 18:37.19 | xand | sayers: i put custom stuff in ~/.fluxbox/menu or whatever it's called |
| 18:37.27 | Supaplex | JordiGH: for network access it's only netinst. |
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| 18:37.32 | Gm4n | Supaplex: I did a basic install onto one partition, shouldn't be a /boot partition |
| 18:37.35 | JordiGH | sepski: internet connection sucks. And I often want some of the obscure packages. |
| 18:37.49 | Gm4n | I have MD, but it's only used on the two non-boot disks |
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| 18:38.57 | sayers | xand, i dont want to add stuff to the menu |
| 18:39.07 | wert613_ | lol |
| 18:39.11 | wert613_ | hi sayers |
| 18:39.15 | sayers | hio wert613 |
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| 18:39.36 | sayers | xand, I want to remove stuff from the list, in the form of commenting it out |
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| 18:39.51 | sayers | I guess Ill make a backup of that file and just yeah... |
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| 18:40.34 | Gm4n | how do I edit something? |
| 18:40.45 | Gm4n | somehow, the flag on my boot partition got set to RO |
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| 18:41.03 | SerajewelKS | patch isn't that friendly with scripts, is it |
| 18:41.08 | Gm4n | vi /proc/cmdline gives me a blank window |
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| 18:41.25 | SerajewelKS | is there any switch to patch that will keep it from creating any files at all? no .orig files, no failed hunks |
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| 18:41.33 | SerajewelKS | patch the thing or fail basically |
| 18:41.35 | Supaplex | Gm4n: cat /proc/cmdline - you cannot edit it. |
| 18:41.50 | rypt | Anyone know of a USB 4.0 channel soundcard that works with Linux? ;p |
| 18:41.56 | Gm4n | Supaplex: how can I change it from "root=/dev/hdc1 ro" to rw? |
| 18:42.13 | xand | what .file do I need to put commands in so that they're run when i login to X? |
| 18:42.16 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: edit your bootloader configuration |
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| 18:42.41 | Supaplex | Gm4n: you have to edit that at boot time. what boot loader do you use? |
| 18:42.49 | Gm4n | whatever the default is on a new etch install |
| 18:42.53 | Gm4n | grub, I think |
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| 18:43.02 | k6rfm | How do I stop modules being loaded at boot in etch (kernel 2.6.18-5)? My onboard audio is flaky and I want to use just the PCI sound card. I tried adding "blacklist snd_via82xx" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and "snd_via82xx" to /etc/hotplug/blacklist but it is still loaded. |
| 18:43.02 | Vasistha | Gm4n: I believe that ro there is just for the boot process; it should be changed to rw when /etc/fstab is processed |
| 18:43.17 | Supaplex | !tell k6rfm -about blacklist |
| 18:43.41 | Gm4n | Vasistha: I don't seem to have an /etc/fstab |
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| 18:44.16 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: what does your prompt say? |
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| 18:44.33 | Gm4n | which prompt? |
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| 18:44.42 | Vasistha | Gm4n: in that case, I'm suspicious that you're not running debian |
| 18:44.45 | newbiee | hellloo |
| 18:44.46 | SerajewelKS | the one you're typing things at? |
| 18:45.01 | Gm4n | yep, I'm using grub |
| 18:45.02 | newbiee | actually i am having a problem . |
| 18:45.05 | Vasistha | SerajewelKS: hehe, I'm going to guess that he's going to give us his irc window prompt :) |
| 18:45.16 | Gm4n | Vasistha: I'm positive I'm using debian... is it possible the file got nuked somehow? |
| 18:45.17 | newbiee | I am not able to install any file on mah computer |
| 18:45.31 | newbiee | dere is some dpkg error stating following ----- >dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `xmodmap' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 18:45.31 | xand | install how? |
| 18:45.34 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: yes, if you did "rm /etc/fstab" i expect that would do it |
| 18:45.50 | Gm4n | SerajewelKS: I didn't do that |
| 18:45.53 | Vasistha | Gm4n: wait, you're saying you don't see /etc/fstab from the grub prompt? are you booted into debian, or are you sitting at a grub prompt? |
| 18:46.02 | Gm4n | I can't fully boot |
| 18:46.28 | newbiee | anyone can try to solve dis bug ? |
| 18:46.29 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: what is your prompt |
| 18:46.31 | newbiee | dere is some dpkg error stating following ----- >dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `xmodmap' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 18:46.31 | Gm4n | I *can* get to busybox |
| 18:46.41 | Vasistha | !tell newbiee -about repeat |
| 18:46.50 | newbiee | Vasistah : ? |
| 18:46.52 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: if it's "(initramfs)" or something like that then your boot config is hosed |
| 18:46.59 | xand | newbiee: please use proper words |
| 18:47.05 | newbiee | xand : ok |
| 18:47.05 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: if you made it to a login shell then it's less serious |
| 18:47.10 | Gm4n | one sec, I'm booting again |
| 18:47.32 | newbiee | xand : i am gettin an dpkg error on attempt to install new software . |
| 18:47.33 | Gm4n | (I rebooted to double-check that I was using grub) |
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| 18:47.42 | Fleck | bibletime in sid is broken - needs libclucene0 but can't install |
| 18:47.49 | newbiee | xand : dpkg error containg some serious warning . |
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| 18:48.09 | newbiee | xand : I even dont know da name of this problem derefr unable to search on google |
| 18:48.10 | xand | newbiee: what command did you run?> |
| 18:48.21 | Vasistha | newbiee: why don't you pastebin the ENTIRE output from your dpkg command -- including the command that you issued |
| 18:48.23 | Vasistha | !paster |
| 18:48.24 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:48.25 | Eulex | Fleck, right, unstable is unstable. file a bug and/or fix it youself. or don't use unstable. |
| 18:48.29 | xand | newbiee: "the", not "da" |
| 18:48.53 | xand | if you don't mind... proper words are easier to read :) |
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| 18:49.00 | newbiee | Vasistha : how to do that |
| 18:49.03 | newbiee | XAND : ok |
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| 18:49.34 | newbiee | xand : nothin i din ran any command .It was like i had tried to install update and it all downloaded well bt dint get install |
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| 18:50.04 | Gm4n | SerajewelKS: I'm on (initramfs), yes |
| 18:50.07 | newbiee | ? |
| 18:50.23 | SerajewelKS | Gm4n: look up the console for errors |
| 18:50.29 | newbiee | xand : ? |
| 18:50.33 | Fleck | Eulex ok i fixed |
| 18:50.35 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 18:50.35 | newbiee | vasistha: ? |
| 18:50.35 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:50.37 | Vasistha | newbiee: we will give you a hard time if you put words like "bt dint" in your messages |
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| 18:50.54 | newbiee | vasistha : will take care of that |
| 18:51.19 | newbiee | vaistha : can u please tell me what problem i facing ? |
| 18:51.23 | Vasistha | newbiee: thanks ;) so anyway, were you in a console or terminal of some sort when you issued the command that got the errors? |
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| 18:51.40 | Vasistha | !tab |
| 18:51.40 | dpkg | methinks tab is part of the varndean crew, slightly slimy at times though, or a very old diet soda. tabtabtab, or what reasonably intelligent irc clients will let you use to recall the nick that most recently posted something in a channel. |
| 18:51.54 | Ronin | newbiee: what language do you speak natively? im guessing english is your second language |
| 18:52.04 | newbiee | vasistha: after completing download , installing software started and then i checked into terminal and there was flooding of errors takin place |
| 18:52.23 | Vasistha | newbiee: how did you begin the download? |
| 18:52.38 | newbiee | Ronin : any prob wid mah language ? I guess we all here to discuss our problem and help other , its better you conc. on that sir |
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| 18:53.02 | newbiee | Vasistha : normally by right clicking notification "install updates" |
| 18:53.10 | Ronin | well i was going to say theres probibly a debian channel in your native language but instead ill /ignore |
| 18:53.22 | Gm4n | SerajewelKS: http://paste.debian.net/35041 |
| 18:53.23 | newbiee | Varishta : i can give u output but i dont knw how to use pastebin ? |
| 18:53.46 | Vasistha | newbiee: what version of debian are you using/ |
| 18:53.51 | newbiee | Varistha : Even while using "apt-get autoremove" i am gettin dpkg errors |
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| 18:54.01 | Heavy-D | Anybody have an idea why when I change the format of my logs for "access.log" for Squid running on Debian Etch from whatever the default is.. to squid's format.. my usernames show up as DOMAIN%5cUSER as opposed to DOMAIN\USER ? |
| 18:54.09 | newbiee | varistha : i m quite sure sir , how to find that out ? |
| 18:54.37 | Vasistha | newbiee: cat /etc/issue |
| 18:54.39 | Eulex | newbiee, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:54.43 | newbiee | ok |
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| 18:54.57 | Vasistha | Eulex: debian_version isn't so good because ubuntu also shows 4.0 D: |
| 18:54.59 | hark | it's either sid or ubuntu |
| 18:55.09 | newbiee | Eulex and Varistha : 4.0 |
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| 18:55.20 | newbiee | Varsitha : dpkg 4.0 |
| 18:55.32 | Vasistha | newbiee: alright, you need to learn to use the tab key. try this right now: type vas<TAB> |
| 18:55.44 | Vasistha | Vasistha: erm, in your irc window, that is. |
| 18:55.47 | newbiee | Vasistha, ok |
| 18:55.56 | Vasistha | newbiee: ah, good for you. |
| 18:56.00 | newbiee | Vasistha, I got it thnx alot |
| 18:56.04 | Gm4n | SerajewelKS: what files should I be editing? |
| 18:56.12 | Eulex | Vasistha, it should be fixed then. |
| 18:56.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone have an idea what's gone the way of the Death Star here? http://pastebin.ca/664269 |
| 18:56.22 | newbiee | Vasistha, how to use pastebin , I want to send u some output ( here it will overflow the window ) |
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| 18:56.33 | Noborusan | which is the common method to check a debian box weither its hacked ? |
| 18:56.35 | Vasistha | newbiee: do you have a working web browser? |
| 18:56.44 | newbiee | Vasistha, yes |
| 18:56.53 | Gm4n | Noborusan: chkrootkit |
| 18:56.57 | hark | newbiee: what does dpkg -l libc6" say? |
| 18:56.59 | Vasistha | !tell newbiee about paster |
| 18:57.17 | newbiee | hark : ? |
| 18:57.17 | Vasistha | newbiee: go to that website, paste your output, and then paste the link in here |
| 18:57.35 | newbiee | Vasistha, webiste adreess? |
| 18:57.46 | xand | !paste |
| 18:57.46 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:57.58 | newbiee | hark : no package found |
| 18:57.59 | Vasistha | newbiee: the dpkg bot should have just told you. we have called up url's for you like 7 times |
| 18:58.03 | newbiee | hark : no package |
| 18:58.06 | hark | newbiee: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:58.10 | Noborusan | Gm4n, huh ? |
| 18:58.31 | Gm4n | you asked how to check to see if your box was hacked |
| 18:58.35 | Gm4n | and that's a good way to do so ;-) |
| 18:58.38 | newbiee | Vasistha, i din notice |
| 18:58.40 | Vasistha | newbiee: are you sure you typed that correctly? you ought to have libc6. why don't you copy/paste the command? dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:58.49 | newbiee | Vasistha, ok |
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| 18:59.13 | newbiee | Vasistha, got it |
| 18:59.27 | newbiee | Vasistha, where to send u output ? |
| 18:59.38 | newbiee | Vasistha, version is 2.5 |
| 18:59.50 | newbiee | hark , version is 2.5 |
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| 19:00.08 | newbiee | Vasistha, by the way what is dis ? |
| 19:00.16 | Vasistha | newbiee: aha, that's your problem -- you're not actually running debian 4.0 |
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| 19:00.31 | hark | that's not etch |
| 19:00.32 | newbiee | Vasistha, what to do to run debian 4.0 |
| 19:00.41 | newbiee | Vasistha, but sir before everythin was fine |
| 19:00.49 | newbiee | Vasistha, how come suddenly tings can go wrong ? |
| 19:00.51 | Vasistha | newbiee: you'd have to start by installing it. are you using ubuntu or something? |
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| 19:01.05 | newbiee | Vasistha, ubuntu 7.04 |
| 19:01.11 | Heavy-D | Are the new install images for the latest release (the one released on August 17th) out yet? |
| 19:01.29 | newbiee | Vasistha, I am all on your path sir ... |
| 19:01.31 | Vasistha | newbiee: well, you need to ask #ubuntu -- their packages are different from ours, so we can't help you with packaging problems. |
| 19:01.33 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 19:01.33 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
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| 19:01.48 | newbiee | Vasistha, what is dis problem name ? |
| 19:01.57 | newbiee | Vasistha, any name fr this bug |
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| 19:02.37 | newbiee | Vasistha, It is like there are many flodding errors related to dpkg , so is there any specific name ? |
| 19:02.40 | Noborusan | Gm4n, i just run chkrootkit is okay ? |
| 19:02.47 | newbiee | hark , any idea ? |
| 19:02.55 | Heavy-D | lol, chkrootkit |
| 19:03.04 | Gm4n | that's a start, yes =) |
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| 19:03.26 | Vasistha | newbiee: you're having a problem with dpkg. that's about as good a name for the problem as anyone could think of. now go ask about it in ubuntu, because we can't help you with ubuntu here. |
| 19:03.46 | newbiee | ok |
| 19:03.55 | newbiee | Vasistha, thanx |
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| 19:04.58 | newbiee | Vasistha, by the way i had pasted mah output in dat link |
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| 19:05.03 | newbiee | Vasistha, chek it out |
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| 19:05.18 | sarixe | anyone in here have the crystal icons installed? |
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| 19:05.26 | Vasistha | newbiee: I'm not going to check it out because I can't help you with it, because I don't know how to fix ubuntu ;) |
| 19:05.30 | sarixe | http://yellowicon.com/downloads/ is where i got them |
| 19:05.58 | newbiee | Vasistha, ok |
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| 19:06.17 | solar_ant | hi when will the beta relaease of kde be available in debian testing ? |
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| 19:06.44 | hark | solar_ant: after it's available in sid ;) |
| 19:07.05 | JordiGH | !witr |
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| 19:07.16 | JordiGH | !wir |
| 19:07.16 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 19:07.16 | sarixe | !wir |
| 19:07.26 | solar_ant | oh i presumed that it is already available in sid |
| 19:07.27 | solar_ant | lol |
| 19:07.47 | solar_ant | !rsn |
| 19:07.47 | dpkg | well, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 19:07.56 | solar_ant | kubuntu seems to have it |
| 19:08.06 | JordiGH | I'm excited about the new KDE. I hope it makes it to sid soon. You can look at packages.debian.org/kde to see about how the new KDE is coming along. |
| 19:08.20 | JordiGH | kubuntu is not Debian. |
| 19:08.25 | solar_ant | so after it goes it\nto sid , it sits there for a couple of months before being available in testing right ? |
| 19:08.39 | JordiGH | solar_ant: More or less. Depends how buggy it is. |
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| 19:08.51 | JordiGH | solar_ant: If it's too buggy, it stays longer in testing. |
| 19:08.58 | solar_ant | very buggy it must be :) |
| 19:09.09 | JordiGH | Er, longer in unstable. |
| 19:09.22 | scrip | anyone here know how to increase the postfix sasl logging? |
| 19:09.36 | hark | try #debian-kde, see if the /topic mentions it |
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| 19:12.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone have an idea what's gone the way of the Death Star here? http://pastebin.ca/664269 |
| 19:12.08 | itchi | be back :-p |
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| 19:13.14 | JordiGH | Dark_Apostrophe: Well, you're missing some library, it seems. Or gnash is too buggy to be compiled. |
| 19:13.16 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Missing stuff? |
| 19:13.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | What stuff? :/ |
| 19:13.36 | JordiGH | For the record, next time you past a compilation log, only paste the tail. |
| 19:13.39 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: libgnashbase |
| 19:13.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | I never manage to read those make outputs |
| 19:13.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | libgnashbase :/ |
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| 19:13.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | that should be in the svn checkout |
| 19:14.09 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: I duno about 64 bits honesty |
| 19:14.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH: Ok, thanks. I figured, the more information, the better. |
| 19:14.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Well, it compiles fine on this AMD64 system, but that system is an Intel C2D 64-bit. |
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| 19:15.00 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Do you have gnash* installed? |
| 19:15.20 | itchi | I dunno about that package too :-p |
| 19:15.23 | ruben | Hello, I have a ata/ide 320 GB hard disk, still using dma it only works as 4.46 MB/sec any idea how to fix it? |
| 19:15.26 | ruben | Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.14 seconds = 4.46 MB/sec |
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| 19:15.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: I don't have, nor want, any Debian packages of Gnash |
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| 19:16.00 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: It seems |
| 19:16.08 | JordiGH | In popcon, what does "vote" mean? |
| 19:16.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Since changes in Gnash happen so quickly, stable releases are pointless |
| 19:16.29 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Maybe need you to compile it from sources |
| 19:16.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: A week of changes in Gnash is akin to a change between kernel 2.6.21 and 2.6.22 |
| 19:16.43 | itchi | That do me remember that my popcorn is not yet done here. I need to make it :-) |
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| 19:16.44 | df00z | Is anyone familiar with genisofs? |
| 19:16.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: that's what I'm doing |
| 19:16.48 | df00z | err, genisoimage: |
| 19:16.49 | itchi | I gona install it on this box too |
| 19:16.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | df00z: Only that K3b uses it |
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| 19:17.05 | df00z | I'm having trouble burning DVDs w/ files 4GB or larger |
| 19:17.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Want the script I use for checking out and compiling it? |
| 19:17.12 | sarixe | !kde4 |
| 19:17.14 | itchi | df00z: Just ask the real question |
| 19:17.21 | sarixe | !kde |
| 19:17.21 | dpkg | from memory, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
| 19:17.23 | df00z | Ok |
| 19:17.24 | itchi | df00z: UDF you need |
| 19:17.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: It's personalized as I use some custom configure options, but can still be handy |
| 19:17.27 | df00z | Yes |
| 19:17.27 | df00z | right |
| 19:17.30 | df00z | I passed -udf |
| 19:17.34 | df00z | and -allow-limited-size or whatever |
| 19:17.46 | df00z | Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 2268077 Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 2268078 |
| 19:17.53 | df00z | It says that in dmesg when I try to read the DVD |
| 19:17.58 | xingu | ruben: sounds like the drive is using a fairly slow dma mode. |
| 19:18.00 | itchi | df00z: That seems to be very bad :-s |
| 19:18.07 | df00z | Yeah I made 2 coasters so far |
| 19:18.12 | df00z | I know mkisofs works :\ |
| 19:18.58 | itchi | sarixe: Do you want to know how to talk with the bot dpkg in private? |
| 19:19.07 | sarixe | itchi : i know, thanks |
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| 19:19.13 | sarixe | sorry if it's bothering the channel |
| 19:19.17 | xingu | ruben: might be an idea to check the controller and drive capabilities - find out they're both udma2 capable |
| 19:19.18 | df00z | itchi: any idea what I could do? |
| 19:19.21 | itchi | sarixe: Talk in pm then ;-) |
| 19:19.25 | sarixe | k |
| 19:19.31 | itchi | df00z: Not yet :-s |
| 19:19.53 | itchi | df00z: I may say that it is weird if mkisofs works |
| 19:20.11 | df00z | There's too many forks of cdrtools |
| 19:20.12 | itchi | df00z: I don't think it is hardware related, i mean |
| 19:20.17 | df00z | It's scary heh. Oh, right |
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| 19:20.38 | df00z | I did build the latest cdrtools from scratch as well |
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| 19:21.00 | DimmuR | hi all is there any way to run mc with utf8 encoding? |
| 19:21.06 | ruben | xingu: do I need an special module? |
| 19:21.24 | itchi | DimmuR: Is it not noted that it does not support it? |
| 19:22.03 | DimmuR | itchi, i know that there are some patches and i thought some1 here has solved it under debian that's why i was asking |
| 19:22.13 | itchi | My popcorn is ready :-p |
| 19:22.35 | JordiGH | itchi: And my popcon? :-( |
| 19:22.48 | itchi | JordiGH: You have eat all :-p |
| 19:22.53 | Ronin | and the popcorn? |
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| 19:23.27 | itchi | I meaned that i installed popcon here to ;-p |
| 19:23.32 | itchi | It's a fresh box |
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| 19:24.00 | JordiGH | How does it work? 45 people have installed my package, 6 have voted for it. What counts as a vote? |
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| 19:24.15 | JordiGH | Meh, ok, fine, I'll rtfm. |
| 19:24.21 | elssn | Hi, can somebody please look at http://193.27.193.34/~eliasson/fel |
| 19:24.27 | itchi | JordiGH: There's not a manual for it? |
| 19:24.28 | elssn | What can I do about that? |
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| 19:24.46 | JordiGH | sorry: http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
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| 19:24.50 | df00z | I |
| 19:25.05 | itchi | oh wait, a typo, he not yet have installed it, wtf |
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| 19:25.21 | phizeek | I have 2 debian machines on one dhclient is found in /etc/dhclient, /etc/dhclient.conf, my 2nd is /etc/dhcp3. I'm trying to change my dhcp identifier to renew an IP, but it cannot find dhclient-script |
| 19:25.30 | JordiGH | elssn: Okay, first thing to do is DO NOT MIX UBUNTU AND DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 19:25.38 | JordiGH | elssn: Looks like you've already learned this the hard way. |
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| 19:25.51 | itchi | JordiGH: You have your answer :-) |
| 19:26.09 | elssn | JordiGH: hehe :-) Any solution? |
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| 19:26.21 | xand | elssn: reinstall? |
| 19:26.30 | elssn | err? Reinstall what? |
| 19:26.33 | JordiGH | elssn: Reinstall, forcing, nothing pretty. It's going to be messy. |
| 19:26.33 | xand | the oS |
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| 19:26.50 | xand | !bobbitt |
| 19:26.50 | elssn | Reinstall OS to get apt to work again? |
| 19:26.50 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 19:26.56 | elssn | That seems kinda lame... |
| 19:27.10 | xand | elssn: are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 19:27.13 | elssn | ubuntu |
| 19:27.20 | JordiGH | elssn: You can tell dpkg to manually remove the offending packages. It'll be up to you to track down dependencies. When dpkg says it won't remove something, you might have to force it. |
| 19:27.22 | xand | #ubuntu please |
| 19:27.27 | xingu | ruben: entirely depends on what your hardware is; if you're running a ~current 2.6 kernel, unlikely |
| 19:27.31 | itchi | elssn: Have fun mate! |
| 19:27.40 | df00z | elssn: different packages are built with different versions of libraries, you can't install packages not built for your distro ;o |
| 19:27.49 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 19:27.49 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 19:27.50 | JordiGH | elssn: Oh, if you're using Ubuntu, then you're offtopic here, sorry. |
| 19:27.58 | ruben | xingu: well thanks anyway :) |
| 19:28.04 | elssn | Thanks anyway guys. |
| 19:28.05 | itchi | elssn: No else may help you here |
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| 19:29.17 | JordiGH | Ubuntu really needs to emphasise more this whole "don't mix packages" thing. There are so many posts in the Ubuntu forums where it's like "I downloaded this package from this nonstandard location, and it worked, yay!" |
| 19:29.46 | itchi | With much beer, everythings is that fine :-p |
| 19:29.49 | sdsa | guys how can i go to root control after installing debian |
| 19:29.52 | Eulex | the windows mentality |
| 19:30.07 | Eulex | sdsa, log in as root or run su |
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| 19:30.14 | df00z | sudo passwd, set a password, then run su |
| 19:30.23 | DustyBin | if you leave a debian etch server on all night, idling, do the PCI cards or other hardware on the box go into a kind of sleep mode if nothing is happening? |
| 19:30.28 | itchi | df00z: Nah, that's on *buntu ;-) |
| 19:30.31 | Eulex | df00z, that'd be an ubuntu answer. |
| 19:30.36 | df00z | Oh, weird :o |
| 19:30.52 | JordiGH | The Debian install has an option to not set a root password. |
| 19:30.57 | Heavy-D | Anybody here run Squid on Etch that could help me with a weird logging issue? |
| 19:31.17 | Heavy-D | All the people in #squid are asleep on their keyboards. |
| 19:31.24 | itchi | DustyBin: And in English? |
| 19:31.45 | itchi | Bah, my english is so sad :-( |
| 19:31.53 | xingu | Heavy-D: you'll never know unless you ask your question |
| 19:31.55 | xand | !comfort itchi's english |
| 19:31.55 | dpkg | There, there, itchi's english. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 19:32.07 | itchi | :-p |
| 19:32.17 | Eulex | DustyBin, I guess that would be hardware-specific. and no, I do not think so, with common hardware. |
| 19:32.21 | xand | !tell DustyBin about acpi |
| 19:32.25 | itchi | Heavy-D: Wake up the guys? :-) |
| 19:32.25 | Heavy-D | xingu: I already did but nobody answerd, so I guess not |
| 19:32.39 | Heavy-D | Anybody have an idea why when I change the format of my logs for "access.log" for Squid running on Debian Etch from whatever the default is.. to squid's format.. my usernames show up as DOMAIN%5cUSER as opposed to DOMAIN\USER? |
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| 19:32.54 | JordiGH | What's the cleanest way to turn off all cronjobs? |
| 19:33.07 | xand | JordiGH: crontab -r? |
| 19:33.11 | JordiGH | Temporarily disable them, that is. |
| 19:33.12 | eeyore- | JordiGH: kill cron daemon? |
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| 19:33.26 | itchi | JordiGH: Remove the stuff in /etc/cron.* ?? |
| 19:33.27 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Hm, that won't cause breakage? |
| 19:33.30 | xand | JordiGH: /etc/init.d/cron stop? |
| 19:33.47 | itchi | JordiGH: oh, ignore me, i missed a line |
| 19:33.50 | eeyore- | JordiGH: not any worse than any other way ... no cron jobs are going to run anyway, right? |
| 19:33.53 | xand | it'll stop all cronjobs :P |
| 19:34.11 | eeyore- | JordiGH: what "breakage" were you envisioning? |
| 19:34.15 | Noborusan | acidlab has been removed from etch ? |
| 19:34.30 | xingu | Heavy-D: at a guess, the logging function uri-encodes any user supplied log format string |
| 19:34.30 | itchi | Noborusan: Search on the web ;-) |
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| 19:34.58 | xingu | Heavy-D: squid source is riddled with side-effects. |
| 19:35.00 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Dunno. I've never seen a box without crond running. It looks unnatural. :-0 |
| 19:35.02 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 19:35.19 | eeyore- | JordiGH: you haven't *made* a box that doesn't need one ;-) |
| 19:35.22 | itchi | What's cron? :-p |
| 19:35.28 | Heavy-D | xingu: how do I add the %TL to the default output then? |
| 19:35.44 | Noborusan | itchi, google :) |
| 19:35.46 | itchi | Bah, i gona sleep guys, i'm way to tired :-s |
| 19:35.56 | xand | never seen a windows box, JordiGH ;P |
| 19:36.06 | Heavy-D | xingu: What i'm basically trying to do is get the local time to show up. When I change it to squid source ... the local time shows up fine but the username is skewed |
| 19:36.07 | JordiGH | xand: Like I said, unnatural. |
| 19:36.11 | xand | haha |
| 19:36.11 | Noborusan | itchi, cron is, which works for plans you have them planned |
| 19:36.21 | eth01 | how can i hide /var/www to users who aren't root ? |
| 19:36.27 | itchi | Noborusan: I know, sorry for the joke :-p |
| 19:36.30 | xand | eth01: what do you mean "hide" it? |
| 19:36.34 | Noborusan | ok |
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| 19:36.36 | eth01 | permission denied. |
| 19:36.38 | Heavy-D | xingu: but if I leave it to default.. I have my proper DOMAIN\user output .... but the time is in UNIX time.. which doesn't help me. |
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| 19:36.45 | xand | eth01: do you have apache? |
| 19:36.51 | eeyore- | bank run on CFC, now the stock drops from 22 this morning to under 20 ... my bet is CFC will be dead in three weeks :-) (ok, sorry, done ranting) |
| 19:36.54 | eth01 | yes xand. |
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| 19:37.03 | eth01 | i thought it was a case of just using chmod ? |
| 19:37.08 | xand | eth01: well if you make only root able to read it then apache won't work... |
| 19:37.10 | xingu | Heavy-D: sounds about right; looking to see if I can find the relevant source just now. |
| 19:37.26 | Heavy-D | xingu: Roger. I'll continue looking |
| 19:37.30 | eth01 | that's my point, who can I stop normal users accessing it? |
| 19:37.30 | xand | eth01: or at least you won't be able to access any content in there |
| 19:37.43 | xand | eth01: change permissions so only www-data can read it |
| 19:37.43 | Noborusan | in debian , /etc/cron.daily , files in that folder will run in everyday ? |
| 19:37.44 | eth01 | how * |
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| 19:38.16 | Noborusan | i just installed chkrootkit,i found it put itself in /etc/cron.daily |
| 19:38.16 | xand | eth01: but if users can create their own webpages and you have php or similar, they could still read it |
| 19:38.17 | cr3 | is there a command to generate a random password of 8 alphanumeric characters? |
| 19:38.23 | eeyore- | eth01: my suggestion, chown -R root:root /var/www; find /var/www -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;; find /var/www -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;; this way NO web daemon can write to any file |
| 19:38.24 | xand | cr3: pwgen |
| 19:38.28 | cr3 | xand: cheers! |
| 19:38.37 | Noborusan | does that mean chkrootkit will run automatically? |
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| 19:38.49 | eeyore- | eth01: that means you have one fewer point of attack (attacker replacing script files that are writable by the daemon's uid) |
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| 19:39.22 | eeyore- | Noborusan: yes |
| 19:39.25 | sayers | where is the icedove.xpm? |
| 19:39.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Want the Gnash checkout/compile script I use? |
| 19:39.50 | Noborusan | eeyore-, cool,so i do not have to config chkrootkit |
| 19:40.06 | eth01 | oh, so thats pointless then lol. |
| 19:40.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | eeyore-: Do I know you from somewhere? Your nick seems familiar |
| 19:40.25 | eeyore- | Dark_Apostrophe: did you use to hug me to sleep when you were little? |
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| 19:40.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | eeyore-: Doubtable, concidering I'm 18 now |
| 19:41.38 | eeyore- | Dark_Apostrophe: well a *long* time ago i used to hang around effnet, undernet ... |
| 19:41.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | eeyore-: Were you a member of the LinuxP2P forums? |
| 19:41.54 | xingu | Heavy-D: gut instinct is that when a user defined log format is set, that src/access_log.c: username_quote's output is then reparsed by log_quote (and not, if not set) |
| 19:41.58 | eeyore- | mmmmm, no. must be the evil eeyore |
| 19:42.16 | xingu | Heavy-D: this totally would not surprise me if true; as I said, squid source is riddled with side effects. |
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| 19:42.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | eeyore-: Ok, not you then, never mind. I used to run those forums, and I recall a member with your nickname. |
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| 19:43.33 | Heavy-D | xingu: hrmm. Darn. Looks like I might be up the river without a paddle. |
| 19:44.02 | xingu | Heavy-D: that's exactly what is going on; accessLogCustom sets quote=1 for LFT_USER_NAME |
| 19:44.25 | xingu | Heavy-D: which kicks across to the reparsing code (this vs squid2.6stable6) |
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| 19:44.48 | Heavy-D | xingu: hrmm.. i'm using squid2.6stable14 I believe |
| 19:44.54 | xingu | regardless |
| 19:45.15 | xingu | Heavy-D: just as a stray thought, try putting your username as the /first/ entry in your custom log format |
| 19:45.33 | Heavy-D | xingu: one second , i'll try that. |
| 19:45.36 | xingu | Heavy-D: I have a suspicion that the state machine leaks; it tests "quote" but then switches on fmt->quote later. |
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| 19:45.58 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Sorry was away, wanted to go to my bed, but cause you asked my, i'm back ! |
| 19:46.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt |
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| 19:46.38 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Nah, i need to go man, i'm that tired, and need to be fresh for my stupid job tomorrow :-s |
| 19:46.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: I just thought if you were gonna get Gnash, you might find my script useful. |
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| 19:46.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Ok, good night |
| 19:46.52 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Thanks ;-) |
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| 19:47.32 | df00z | itchi: I burned the file manually w/ the command prompt and it worked |
| 19:47.52 | nickz0r | Hello, I need some help creating a SSH user with access to an exist folder and its contents and only that, can anyone help me |
| 19:47.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | df00z: It's either called a console or a (virtual) terminal |
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| 19:48.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | df00z: Don't _ever_ call it a command prompt |
| 19:48.10 | df00z | Know of any software that lets you pass options to genisoimage? |
| 19:48.14 | df00z | Haha why |
| 19:48.15 | xand | !ssh chroot |
| 19:48.15 | dpkg | i guess ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 19:48.18 | xand | nickz0r: see above |
| 19:48.32 | Heavy-D | xingu: No, putting the %un first still outputs it as DOMAIN%5cUSERNAME |
| 19:48.39 | Heavy-D | xingu: instead of DOMAIN\USERNAME |
| 19:48.41 | nickz0r | What, I dont understand |
| 19:48.42 | bjorkimacg3 | why won't gnome let me change my screen resolution? |
| 19:48.47 | bjorkimacg3 | it only gives me 1024x768 |
| 19:48.50 | nickz0r | I'm on SSH with root access |
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| 19:49.11 | xand | nickz0r: well that's not wise, you should ssh as a normal user then su or sudo |
| 19:49.14 | xingu | Heavy-D: still skim reading to work out how fmt->quote gets set for that token. |
| 19:49.21 | xand | (and disable root ssh logins) |
| 19:49.27 | Heavy-D | xingu: sure, i'm going to try a few other things |
| 19:49.31 | nickz0r | Its a dedicated server |
| 19:49.33 | nickz0r | I need it lol |
| 19:49.44 | xand | erm. |
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| 19:50.12 | xand | or at least restrict to without-password/limited range of client IPs |
| 19:50.42 | ruben | Hello, it's a bad idea to have a hard disk and a cd/dvd in the same ide cable? what is better to be, hard dkik master and dvd slave? or hard on one ide, and the dvd on other ide? |
| 19:50.46 | nickz0r | i have xand |
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| 19:50.52 | nickz0r | Only my ip is allowed to access port 21 |
| 19:50.59 | xand | 21 is ftp |
| 19:51.02 | nickz0r | 22 |
| 19:51.03 | nickz0r | i meant |
| 19:51.07 | xand | right |
| 19:51.21 | xand | ruben: separate cables is better if you can |
| 19:51.26 | nickz0r | xand can i pm you |
| 19:51.32 | xand | why? |
| 19:51.37 | nickz0r | to ask question |
| 19:51.52 | xand | I'd rather you asked it here |
| 19:52.01 | streuner_ | !pm |
| 19:52.02 | dpkg | well, pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance |
| 19:52.12 | ruben | xand: thanks :) |
| 19:52.19 | nickz0r | ok xand |
| 19:52.31 | nickz0r | I want to create a SSH user who only has access to a already existing folder |
| 19:52.32 | xand | anyway you're not identified to nickserv so the message would be blocked anyway |
| 19:52.35 | xand | -anyway |
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| 19:52.40 | xingu | Heavy-D: try \%un ? |
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| 19:53.10 | xingu | Heavy-D: or maybe %\un |
| 19:54.07 | xand | nickz0r: that's not really practical, search http://www.ecediinc.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html for chroot to see why |
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| 19:54.20 | nickz0r | i dont care i just want to do it lol |
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| 19:54.29 | Uatschitchun | Hi there |
| 19:54.59 | streuner_ | dpkg, say hi Uatschitchun |
| 19:54.59 | dpkg | hi Uatschitchun |
| 19:55.18 | nickz0r | xand? |
| 19:55.24 | xand | nickz0r: well read this, which is based on sarge so may need updating: http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_ssh_howto_debian |
| 19:55.38 | Heavy-D | xingu: hrmm darn. \%un outputs exactly that... \DOMAIN%5cUSER and %\un makes it so squid won't start. |
| 19:55.43 | xand | and I haven't tried it, so don't blame me if it doesn't work :) |
| 19:56.10 | xingu | Heavy-D: fair do, I think you're screwed then short of patching source. |
| 19:56.35 | xingu | Heavy-D: mail the squid mailing list with your problem spec |
| 19:56.43 | Heavy-D | xingu: heh yeah that's really not an option. Thanks so much for your help anyways. Much appreciated |
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| 19:57.02 | Heavy-D | xingu: I mean.. me patching source isn't really an option |
| 19:57.16 | Uatschitchun | I've got a problem ;) While building a debian package I wanted to remove the dir usr/share/locale from temp-build-dir debian/build-dir ... but instead of adding a "rm -rf debian/build-dir/usr/share/locale" to debian/rules, I've added "rm -rf /usr/share/locale" ;(( Bad bad typo ... My question now: Is there an easy way to get back what was in there? Like doing a reverse localepurge? |
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| 19:58.26 | eeyore- | Uatschitchun: no |
| 19:58.41 | xingu | Heavy-D: the devs do read the mailinglist, it's worth a shot there; describe your current log string, current output, and desired output - basically the accesslog token parser is setting you up for a pratt fall and then the output writer is giving you a push |
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| 19:59.01 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 19:59.18 | snowbird | hello |
| 19:59.32 | xingu | Heavy-D: there's no way to separate the token's implied formatting type from the token's content |
| 19:59.34 | Detox_at_Work | having problems getting x1vnc to work,,, log in from remote fine, screen is good ,, but cnnot type anything or use mouse,,, any ideas? |
| 20:00.13 | Heavy-D | xingu: i'm mailing the list right now. Thanks again for your help :) |
| 20:00.21 | xingu | Heavy-D: and as you point out, for the /non parsed/ log format you produce a different outcome to the same string described in tokens. |
| 20:00.39 | xingu | Heavy-D: beat them up with that last, it's an inconsitancy that should trouble them |
| 20:01.27 | Heavy-D | xingu: Got it :) |
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| 20:01.58 | xingu | Heavy-D: otoh I think the token parsing form is correct of the two; usernames are externally supplied and can/will contain all sorts of shell-unsafe crap. |
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| 20:02.16 | xingu | Heavy-D: they may agree, and fix the unparsed/nontokenised log string instead. :) |
| 20:02.30 | Heavy-D | xingu: yeah that would be ideal. |
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| 20:02.39 | Uatschitchun | eeyore-: No? No means: No way back? What about parsig a list of installed packages, filtering them for if they install something to /usr/share/locale and '--reinstall' these packages with a "fix-missing"? |
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| 20:03.29 | eeyore- | Uatschitchun: that's plausible |
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| 20:20.23 | helo | i have a server here whose fans spin up really loudly under heavy load, but then never spin back down |
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| 20:20.41 | helo | yes, my server is a person |
| 20:21.43 | helo | is there some way to control the fans? |
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| 20:21.57 | DustyBin | if you have a server running 24.7, would it be wise to run a acpi daemon to save power? |
| 20:22.03 | Supaplex | helo: stab a pencil into it ;) |
| 20:22.26 | helo | i installed sensors and ran sensors-detect, and it detected i2c-piix4... but sensors says no modules are loaded... |
| 20:22.49 | Supaplex | helo: compare with lsmod |
| 20:23.20 | helo | i see "i2c_core 19680 3 eeprom,i2c_dev,i2c_piix4" |
| 20:23.59 | Supaplex | helo: weird. does sensors use its own modules ontop of the kernel ones? |
| 20:24.02 | DustyBin | helo: maybe you need to load another module |
| 20:24.22 | helo | that's the only one sensors-detect finds... hmm |
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| 20:25.48 | freetos | does anybody want to hear my song, i haven't decided wether to publish it under the creative commons license, it's kind of rough |
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| 20:26.33 | DustyBin | helo what package did you install? lm-sensors libsensors3 ? |
| 20:26.41 | simonrvn | helo: make sure they get in line to get an autograph |
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| 20:27.14 | DustyBin | sensord |
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| 20:27.45 | freetos | do a search on frostwire/gnutella for "Whatever rough test 01" and listen to the music me and my friend did |
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| 20:29.48 | Supaplex | freetos: hardly debian related. |
| 20:30.16 | freetos | debian can load this tune on their site for special effects |
| 20:31.06 | Supaplex | freetos: and I'm suppose to care why? kvr music tracker is more suitable |
| 20:31.22 | helo | DustyBin: yeah, all of those |
| 20:32.03 | freetos | Supaplex, i'll give it a whirl |
| 20:32.04 | simonrvn | damn fans always going crazy... |
| 20:32.05 | helo | hmm... the bios doesn't even have a place to check the processor/chassis temp |
| 20:32.11 | gh0zt | hello |
| 20:32.22 | Mr-R | freetos: is your music creative commons? put it on some site like jamendo.com |
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| 20:34.02 | snowbird | fans yeah cool |
| 20:34.18 | DustyBin | helo, i just installed lm-sensors, then run sensors-detect, said YES to everything, then i modprobed the driver it said you should use |
| 20:34.29 | DustyBin | and it works ok |
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| 20:34.45 | helo | DustyBin: that's what i've always done in the past... didn't work with this one |
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| 20:35.06 | freetos | well, i did it with a friend, i want the cc license but he did the keyboard, bass N drums on his keyboard sysths so i came up with the meldody and he came up with the rest |
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| 20:41.40 | ju_ | how to count the number of lines at the output of a find ? |
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| 20:42.04 | Eulex | |wc -l |
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| 20:42.46 | xjkx | I have a br debian distribution which has old packages, how do i upgrade to the debian 4.0 from here? |
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| 20:43.00 | Eulex | !sarge->etch |
| 20:43.00 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
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| 20:43.08 | Eulex | xjkx, oh, and define 'old' |
| 20:43.23 | Eulex | xjkx, between which releases? |
| 20:43.28 | Abobo | People who feel linux has made no desktop/user friendlyness progress in the last 6 years: |
| 20:43.31 | Abobo | Ginseu xjkx inimesekene jelly-home swordlaw eisen sarixe Daniel_S kunwon1 MaQui tt seemawn flokuehn Hammar dashs Caelum freetos helo eisen_ jonas3 P_Kable_ Danux glut Mr-R ravenbird D3B14N nrl_ jetscreamer aguaithefreak Bhaal ericx_1 zigong smica snowbird L0cKn Detox_at_Work Supaplex SmallR2002 zOap th0ger nickz0r Piet_ malt1 Spec lordlamer sabbat cr3 bjorkimacg3 mx-zoom GhostlyDeath BABA Aubustou_ Growly|BAM phizeek dZen|n| ||arifaX |
| 20:43.33 | Abobo | MoDaX savetheWorld df00z qcshzihnus x600 sayers l3mr i3d Deepa stray SiriusFR Sub-Zero Althaser Thms EmleyMoor Minataku allisterb Noborusan hark themill wert613_ N[zero]T pressenter joeyjones donald omind s0d0 DocTomoe usn JordiGH petterah cosu qrck rvsjoen Zee1ot mbroeker bzed xand Heavy-D Eclipser vyrus001 rmayorga HymnToLife stoffepojken Eulex simonrvn fogos Vlet rafailowski lunk wireddd polyeides abchirk Jussi speeves TrueDD Celelibi_ |
| 20:43.34 | xjkx | Eulex: Linux maquina 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Tue Aug 16 14:00:15 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:43.36 | Abobo | Bulldog Krassy dwon yetifoot nicoAMG Smooph ju_ marc___ idimmu dutche- floe_ Kwitschibo CaTeYe tsurko pihhan Chascon Sativouf arcil Blwood ninnghizidha disco\\ yvhaarle NetEcho marc7 hackmiker JohnnyK rem GutterPunk holycow Gge jkdsoft philll roe elenril gregzx esaym Fleck DarkCow CactusMD Kouryuu wide-eye_ solid_liq solitude| ooly nunu Petrov Ranpha1 cmdln maxamillion knoxy onats Juul_ porsche911turbo Muisje n000b Rprp nkuttler mash_ |
| 20:43.38 | Abobo | relaxed yure extase capiira_ Zeit|awy greenkobold floe diafic gh0zt shay apt Oa` PhilKC beli RA3OR danielm x-Dieu jae Tinozaure SuperBusinessman master_of_master Droolio Phenox iarc_a robboplus pngwn anderson alindeman Ozymandias2 h3sp4wn keram Ariel_Calzada nalioth ameyer Dewi PDani neiljp RichiH BLarg Lin @ChanServ Judgen_ Gokee2 dogmeat `mx Tabakhase t-tyrant mandingo tim__b cyberjames drbair cmeme ApEtc flypiper Maliuta dembug Drgb |
| 20:43.43 | sarixe | wtf? |
| 20:43.44 | JordiGH | !ops abobob |
| 20:43.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jordigh complains about: abobob |
| 20:43.46 | Abobo | blorp mumbles w0rd54 dondelelcaro benoitc Locke0 cplx__-- SiliconViper ObsidianX iylea DustyBin Snake-eyes predder rypt dmc brick Wyzard harlekin xdr mmlj4 d00gster rebo123 Lorvija shogunx skule explody else58 SchemerNate phrost6 YGingras themolester samiam sjr davis rgsteele bmr shwouchk lunaphyte_ gileswwwrk lbc jansenq dansushi[server] frojnd lunaphyte smg bushblows Salihu ptitatou Kerr ricky zicho karsten iter blur` ShockSMX derchris |
| 20:43.48 | philll | wtf |
| 20:43.50 | SiriusFR | Fuck. |
| 20:43.51 | Abobo | ktwilight Benton greenpower hayden__ alex__ magical_trevsky doubleukay dragonheart nozy CrazyEddy solemnwarning mnvl rob19 NoFX_SBC @debhelper Flimqy _evo_ chii kritzstapf blackbart buu skumby wakejagr spantiga rshakin dotCOMmie Spida _Therock_ mmirko scoopex makk1ntosh[work] SupertTimmy rdz evilgeek loupgaroublond philips tt1 kloeri loesh AKX EsoD bee2643 Shadur Amorphous ekix lee nemo oye xerophyte M0ffe wintix Rockj keith4 Nielsen |
| 20:43.54 | Aubustou_ | yes? |
| 20:43.54 | Muisje | JEEZ.... |
| 20:43.55 | xjkx | Abobo: thats not funny |
| 20:43.59 | GhostlyDeath | k-line! k-line! k-line! |
| 20:44.03 | Deepa | It came here from ##linux |
| 20:44.06 | danielm | ¿? |
| 20:44.07 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 20:44.10 | hackmiker | ah cripes, not again |
| 20:44.10 | Eulex | xjkx, not what I asked. when was this machine updated last? |
| 20:44.12 | dutche- | he needs a woman |
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| 20:44.14 | Hammar | f!%$%! attention whores |
| 20:44.22 | Muisje | #wikipedia, ##php now #Debian >_> |
| 20:44.23 | mbroeker | sh: wtf: command not found |
| 20:44.35 | JordiGH | mbroeker: aptitude install bsdgames |
| 20:44.35 | GhostlyDeath | wtf |
| 20:44.53 | ameyer | onwned |
| 20:45.00 | mbroeker | thx jorda |
| 20:45.00 | ameyer | -the first n |
| 20:45.00 | Muisje | Some IRCOP should run a script saying more than 6 names in 1 sentence equals kill :P |
| 20:45.09 | JordiGH | JordIIII |
| 20:45.12 | JordiGH | Not Jorda. |
| 20:45.15 | Eulex | xjkx, in any case, that should _probably_ be from between sarge and etch. |
| 20:45.18 | JordiGH | And most certainly not Jordan either. |
| 20:45.24 | xjkx | Eulex: i just installed it now, but the distribution is rly old :> i did install this one because debian netinst 4.0 didnt detect my NIC, and i ain't thinking to download the full cd, burn and install, i have a debian system already, this is from 2005 i guess |
| 20:45.31 | ameyer | did he list every name on this channel? |
| 20:45.37 | Eulex | xjkx, ah, is it sarge? |
| 20:45.39 | kunwon1 | he tried |
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| 20:45.48 | mbroeker | Gee... I don't know what abuse means... |
| 20:45.50 | Eulex | !tell xjkx about sarge->etch |
| 20:45.55 | Muisje | 752 people don't get beeped that easy ameyer |
| 20:45.56 | mbroeker | it works, jordan, thx |
| 20:46.02 | xjkx | Eulex: its supposed to be for desktops, if it helps to say if its sarge or not |
| 20:46.15 | Muisje | [22:43:29] <Abobo> People who feel linux has made no desktop/user friendlyness progress in the last 6 years: |
| 20:46.32 | Muisje | What an idiot... |
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| 20:46.42 | Eulex | xjkx, dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 ? |
| 20:46.45 | JordiGH | My name is not Jordan. |
| 20:46.59 | kunwon1 | there's nothing to be done about zealotry, just ignore it |
| 20:47.01 | ameyer | oh, I see what abobo was trying to play off of |
| 20:47.33 | ameyer | Debian's insanely long release cycle... |
| 20:47.43 | xjkx | Eulex: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 20:48.03 | ameyer | etch isn't anywhere near that old though |
| 20:48.09 | sayers | hello, in gnome-system-monitor it only shows one of my 2 processors. is that a big deal? |
| 20:48.21 | ameyer | sarge isn't that old either... |
| 20:48.41 | xjkx | what do i have ? with this lib6 version... |
| 20:48.43 | Eulex | xjkx, odd version number. |
| 20:49.00 | xjkx | which means its hard do upgrade? |
| 20:49.03 | Supaplex | ameyer: but the release date on sarge is :) thank goodness for some updates huh? |
| 20:49.28 | JordiGH | sayers: Linux may indeed not have seen your other processor. But unless you're doing number-crunching or graphics-intensive gaming, you're unlikely to notice. |
| 20:49.41 | Eulex | xjkx, well, that should be the libc6 in etch, aka debian 4.0. |
| 20:49.41 | ameyer | sarge's only like 1.5 years old I thought |
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| 20:49.59 | sayers | JordiGH, I have a dual core processor for a reason ? |
| 20:50.03 | ameyer | woody was ancient when sarge came out |
| 20:50.06 | GhostlyDeath | sayers, Did you install a SMP compatible kernel? |
| 20:50.21 | sayers | GhostlyDeath, I used the ix86 install |
| 20:50.26 | Eulex | ameyer, but only 3 years old |
| 20:50.53 | JordiGH | sayers: For the bragging rights, mostly. ;-) |
| 20:51.02 | sayers | JordiGH, no. |
| 20:51.07 | sayers | JordiGH, So I could /use/ it |
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| 20:51.29 | sayers | and if the kernel doesnt detect it. whats the point. |
| 20:51.34 | xjkx | Eulex: what would you do to upgrade it? :> |
| 20:51.47 | Eulex | sayers, does top show both? |
| 20:52.12 | sayers | no Eulex |
| 20:52.17 | Eulex | xjkx, umh, you've got the latest stable, what would you upgrade to? and why do you think it's old? |
| 20:52.26 | Mr-R | sayers: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 20:52.42 | JordiGH | sayers: Use it for what? At any rate, it looks like you need a different Linux that can see both processors. |
| 20:52.43 | sayers | Linux desktop 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:53.07 | Eulex | sayers, get the 686 kernel, it has smp support. |
| 20:53.09 | Mr-R | sayers: ok. install a smp-kernel and reboot. :) |
| 20:53.20 | sayers | Mr-R, and how would I do that :) |
| 20:53.45 | sayers | JordiGH, That'd be like buying a race car to sit in a garage |
| 20:53.51 | xjkx | Eulex: its old, the cd is from 2004 or 2005, but i confess I ran some apt-get upgrade from deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free hehehe but sometimes I have problems with versions when apt-geting, it says that some version is needed but wont be installed and "blablabla" |
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| 20:54.37 | Mr-R | sayers: "aptitude install linux-image-686" |
| 20:54.40 | ameyer | hmm, what wikipedia says about etch being supported until approximately October 2009, that's subject to change, right? |
| 20:55.01 | Eulex | xjkx, ah, have you dist-upgraded? also, you seemed to have a kernel that was a bit old. follow the release notes on how to do an upgrade to etch. |
| 20:55.02 | Mr-R | sayers: your current kernel is for quite antique cpus... |
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| 20:55.12 | jelly-home | ameyer: yes. |
| 20:55.13 | sayers | Mr-R, It's an antique CD :) |
| 20:55.18 | ameyer | like, if lenny ends up with a VISTA-style development cycle |
| 20:55.23 | JordiGH | sayers: Like I said, unless you're doing number-crunching or heavy gaming, you don't need a dual core. It's hardly ever the bottleneck in machine performance. Disk access speeds and memory access are much more noticeable. |
| 20:55.34 | jelly-home | ameyer: estimate is release of lenny + 12 months |
| 20:55.42 | sayers | JordiGH, but I still want both! :) |
| 20:55.50 | xjkx | Eulex: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: xvncviewer: Depends: libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed E: Broken packages" what do you think i should do to get it installed? |
| 20:55.57 | bjorkimacg3 | where's 0,0 on the screen? |
| 20:56.05 | sayers | JordiGH, my graphics card which died is bottlenecking my system. |
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| 20:56.18 | Eulex | xjkx, sorry, gotta go, can't help you more |
| 20:56.19 | sayers | and then restart Mr-R into the new kernel? |
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| 20:56.35 | snowbird | is it omb video card? |
| 20:56.35 | xjkx | sure |
| 20:56.35 | Eulex | bjorkimacg3, upper left corner. |
| 20:56.36 | Mr-R | sayers: exactly |
| 20:56.44 | ameyer | and Lenny's release date of approximately October 2008 is far from certain I'd guess |
| 20:56.45 | snowbird | take card out of bios |
| 20:56.47 | sayers | Mr-R, and grub was informed of the new kernel? |
| 20:57.04 | Eulex | sayers, it will be. |
| 20:57.13 | Mr-R | sayers: i hope so. you could check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:57.33 | ameyer | I'm sure that woody->sarge wasn't initially supposed to take that long |
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| 20:58.19 | sayers | reboot time |
| 20:58.31 | JordiGH | Godspeed. |
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| 20:58.49 | ju_ | Thank you Eulex |
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| 20:59.14 | petewee1 | Does anyone know what's the best channel to ask questions related to kermit (a program to command a modem)? |
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| 20:59.25 | xjkx | To install debian 4.0 NOT from the netinst, how many cds do i need? I don't bother downloading some stuff from web, i dont use netinst because it didn't detect my NIC |
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| 20:59.44 | ju_ | xjkx, the first one. |
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| 20:59.54 | sayers | !cheer |
| 20:59.54 | dpkg | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 20:59.56 | sayers | !yay |
| 20:59.56 | dpkg | yay! |
| 21:00.00 | xjkx | k thanks |
| 21:00.09 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: another answer is as many as you want. |
| 21:00.09 | sayers | Thanks everyone. That was a really easy fix :D |
| 21:00.15 | mick_work | hi everyone, how can i find which package contains qapplication.h? |
| 21:00.19 | ju_ | debian is now at 20 cds, it becomes non sense. |
| 21:00.20 | jelly-home | xjkx: other cds use the exact same kernel and modules |
| 21:00.20 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: they're ordered (in general) by order of popularity |
| 21:00.33 | mick_work | i thought apt-file does that - but i think it does the opposite of what i want |
| 21:00.37 | ju_ | it's like windows 95 by floppies. |
| 21:00.43 | mick_work | lol |
| 21:01.04 | xjkx | dondelelcaro: but not all of them have the base-system packages i suppose |
| 21:01.14 | jelly-home | mick_work: no, it does what you want |
| 21:01.18 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: well, the base system packages would be the most popular, so they'd be on the first one. |
| 21:01.29 | ju_ | Who is seriusly downloading the 20 cds ? except mirrors ? |
| 21:01.32 | dondelelcaro | ju_: it's great actually, because there is becoming almost no FOSS software you'd want that isn't there. |
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| 21:01.44 | dondelelcaro | ju_: people without network connections at all sometimes want them |
| 21:01.49 | mick_work | hmm, but i want to find the package that it is in (that i don't have installed) |
| 21:01.53 | streuner_ | !foss |
| 21:01.53 | dpkg | hmm... foss is Free and Open Source Software - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS |
| 21:01.58 | mick_work | jelly-home: how can i do that? |
| 21:02.04 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 21:02.04 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 21:02.23 | JordiGH | I'm downloading all of etch. it took about a day. |
| 21:02.28 | petewee1 | does anyone know what commands to issue in minicom, kermit, or something of the like to place a voice call? |
| 21:02.29 | jelly-home | mick_work: um, use it? |
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| 21:02.31 | streuner_ | heh |
| 21:02.31 | JordiGH | One hour left. Yay! |
| 21:02.42 | snowbird | hour til supper? |
| 21:02.44 | petewee1 | [my modem chipset has a voice mode AFAIK] |
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| 21:02.50 | mick_work | jelly-home: apt-file search qapplication.h comes up w/ nothing |
| 21:02.53 | ju_ | dondelelcaro, ok if I go to rwanda or arctic you are right. But I'll bring dvds , or better I take a mirror in a hd. |
| 21:02.56 | mick_work | :-/ |
| 21:02.57 | streuner_ | jordi: dialup? |
| 21:02.57 | freetos | anyone know of the next 64stiudio based on etch might be? |
| 21:03.04 | jelly-home | mick_work: run apt-file update as root. then apt-file search your_file_name |
| 21:03.08 | dondelelcaro | ju_: sure, but not everyone has the luxery of a computer which has a DVD player |
| 21:03.15 | streuner_ | JordiGH: dialup? |
| 21:03.17 | xand | jelly-home: apt-get update |
| 21:03.19 | Krinki1 | People who feel linux has made no desktop/user friendlyness progress in the last 6 years: |
| 21:03.22 | Krinki1 | Blwood_ sayers mick_work mifritscher- petewee1 eisen HymnToLife` archangelpetro mirco eisen_ floe_ Deepa Mazingaro PriceChild obsethryl Ginseu xjkx inimesekene jelly-home swordlaw sarixe kunwon1 MaQui tt seemawn flokuehn Hammar dashs Caelum freetos helo jonas3 P_Kable_ Danux glut Mr-R ravenbird D3B14N nrl_ jetscreamer aguaithefreak Bhaal ericx_1 zigong smica snowbird L0cKn Supaplex SmallR2002 zOap th0ger Piet Spec lordlamer sabbat |
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| 21:03.24 | jelly-home | xand: no. |
| 21:03.25 | Krinki1 | cr3 bjorkimacg3 mx-zoom GhostlyDeath BABA Aubustou_ Growly|BAM phizeek dZen|n| ||arifaX MoDaX savetheWorld df00z qcshzihnus x600 l3mr i3d stray Sub-Zero Althaser Thms EmleyMoor Minataku allisterb hark themill wert613_ N[zero]T pressenter joeyjones donald omind usn JordiGH petterah cosu qrck rvsjoen Zee1ot mbroeker bzed xand Heavy-D Eclipser vyrus001 rmayorga HymnToLife stoffepojken simonrvn fogos Vlet rafailowski lunk wireddd polyeides |
| 21:03.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:03.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@TDC-P1.suomi.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 21:03.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:03.29 | xand | erm |
| 21:03.30 | ju_ | dondelelcaro, that's why the hard disk is better. |
| 21:03.33 | petewee1 | kick please |
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| 21:03.41 | petewee1 | oh nvm |
| 21:03.48 | GhostlyDeath | dont kick, k-line |
| 21:03.48 | JordiGH | streuner_: No, school connection. Actually, 24 hours for 3 DVDs doesn't seem that slow to me. |
| 21:03.49 | dondelelcaro | ju_: well, if you can get one that's large enough, sure. |
| 21:03.51 | streuner_ | nevermind? |
| 21:03.52 | snowbird | bright text was it pasted? |
| 21:03.58 | obsethryl | who was that idiot again |
| 21:04.09 | streuner_ | JordiGH: fuck |
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| 21:04.13 | dondelelcaro | snowbird: it's just your hilight |
| 21:04.20 | snowbird | oh |
| 21:04.23 | sarixe | who wants me? |
| 21:04.27 | jelly-home | can we have a bot that autokicks when someone mentions 15 current nicks in a single line? |
| 21:04.39 | dondelelcaro | if you write TCL that doesn't suck, sure. |
| 21:04.40 | explody | sarixe: name-spammer |
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| 21:04.45 | petewee1 | jelly-home: that'd be cool |
| 21:04.49 | JordiGH | streuner_: What? It *is* slow? |
| 21:04.49 | sarixe | explody :ty |
| 21:04.52 | bzed | jelly-home: that would kick dpkg if you use !ops :P |
| 21:05.12 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: does an empty program not suck? :-) |
| 21:05.16 | streuner_ | JordiGH: you need ONE CD - thats all... |
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| 21:05.28 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it may have graduated to blow. |
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| 21:05.45 | JordiGH | streuner_: Doing an install on 15 workstations. And I often need relatively obscure packages from the math section. |
| 21:06.33 | *** part/#debian helo (n=helo@wsip-68-15-195-2.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 21:06.41 | petewee1 | Does anyone know how to place a voice call through an Intel 536ep modem on linux? |
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| 21:07.09 | JordiGH | petewee1: Is VoIP unfeasible? |
| 21:07.18 | L0cKn | dondelelcaro: :D |
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| 21:07.58 | zOap | could the person that is typing my name in this channel please check his typos? |
| 21:08.21 | streuner_ | heh |
| 21:08.54 | petewee1 | petewee1: uh someone prank called me so I'm trying to get revenge. But my voice is rather unique and it's also not low enough to pass for the character I'm going to play. So I'm going to pass it through Jack Rack and lower my voice, then output it to the modem and call the person. |
| 21:09.01 | mick_work | thanks jelly-home |
| 21:09.11 | petewee1 | JordiGH: so voip is not feasible |
| 21:09.56 | JordiGH | Heh. This is fun. |
| 21:09.59 | JordiGH | petemc: :-) |
| 21:10.01 | petewee1 | JordiGH: hehe |
| 21:10.17 | petewee1 | JordiGH: they pretended to be a cop and scared the pants off of mre |
| 21:10.18 | petewee1 | *me |
| 21:10.19 | dondelelcaro | don't people know about caller id? |
| 21:10.29 | petewee1 | dondelelcaro: I know who did it |
| 21:10.35 | petewee1 | dondelelcaro: I want revenge |
| 21:10.49 | dondelelcaro | the point being that it's pretty obvious from whom a call is coming from |
| 21:10.58 | petewee1 | dondelelcaro: heard of *67? |
| 21:11.29 | petewee1 | it disables caller id |
| 21:11.30 | streuner_ | wtf is "*67"? |
| 21:11.46 | petewee1 | dial it first, and you'll come up "unknown name" |
| 21:12.34 | dondelelcaro | (course, I almost never answer the phone anyway) |
| 21:12.43 | petewee1 | dondelelcaro: who does today? |
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| 21:12.48 | jelly-home | Mr-R: you can only fake the phone number if you're an operator |
| 21:12.56 | cmdln | phonetrick.com |
| 21:13.02 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: or dial through PBXes |
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| 21:13.28 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: you people have way too old equipment |
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| 21:14.46 | petewee1 | so how do I issue voice commands to my modem? |
| 21:14.50 | JordiGH | jelly: Is no one using Wengo? :-( |
| 21:14.53 | petewee1 | can I do it through kermit or minicom? |
| 21:15.07 | jelly-home | JordiGH: wengo has connections to POTS? |
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| 21:15.17 | Supaplex | petewee1: yell at it. ;) |
| 21:15.27 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I don't know what that is. |
| 21:15.28 | petewee1 | Supaplex: LOL |
| 21:15.45 | Supaplex | petewee1: "PLAY DEAD" should work. heheheee |
| 21:15.48 | jelly-home | JordiGH: really, or just pulling my leg? |
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| 21:16.02 | petewee1 | uh when I mean voice commands I mean like "ATDT11234567890;" |
| 21:16.08 | kunwon1 | learn to whistle at 2600hz |
| 21:16.16 | petewee1 | [dials 1-123-456-7890] |
| 21:16.20 | petewee1 | kunwon1: doesn't work anymore |
| 21:16.28 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I had to Wiki for the initialism. I thought that Wengo allowed you to call ordinary landlines, if that's what you mean. |
| 21:16.28 | jelly-home | !pots |
| 21:16.28 | dpkg | [pots] Plain Old Telephone System |
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| 21:16.34 | petewee1 | kunwon1: now command signals are transmitted on a separate line |
| 21:16.36 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yes. |
| 21:16.36 | Supaplex | petewee1: and "stay" etc. I think there's a getty+vm app. asterisk might support it (although overkill) |
| 21:16.51 | jelly-home | JordiGH: and I didn't know that |
| 21:16.57 | kunwon1 | lol, no shit |
| 21:16.59 | kunwon1 | it was a joke |
| 21:17.01 | petewee1 | Supaplex: asterix? I've heard of it but I don't really know what it is |
| 21:17.26 | Supaplex | petewee1: PBX/VoIP etc |
| 21:17.28 | jelly-home | petewee1: open source software PBX |
| 21:17.31 | petewee1 | kunwon1: the phreaks at 2600 have come up with interesting new tactics since then tho |
| 21:17.39 | petewee1 | I'll give it a look |
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| 21:18.25 | JordiGH | !info wengophone |
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| 21:18.31 | dpkg | wengophone: (SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1.dfsg0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6923 kB, Installed size: 18808 kB |
| 21:18.42 | Supaplex | hummmm |
| 21:18.47 | petewee1 | Supaplex: do you mean vgetty? |
| 21:18.54 | petewee1 | that's only an answering machine |
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| 21:19.01 | petewee1 | it can't actually make calls afaik |
| 21:19.58 | petewee1 | I suppose asterix might work...but it looks like a bitch to config |
| 21:20.02 | Supaplex | petewee1: ahh ok. asterisk is closer to what you want then. It's a high end app, hopefully there's something more tame to fit your application. |
| 21:20.25 | Supaplex | petewee1: there's the asterisk wiki, and the irc channel is atleast as active as debian here |
| 21:20.37 | petewee1 | I'm trying to make an outgoing telephone call from my modem...will that do it? |
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| 21:20.47 | Supaplex | petewee1: what's the model of the modem? |
| 21:21.00 | petewee1 | Supaplex: don't know the card, chipset is Intel 536ep |
| 21:21.04 | petewee1 | it's a linmodem |
| 21:21.13 | petewee1 | it's supposed to have voice capabilities |
| 21:21.20 | Lycus | Question: I installed flashplugin-nonfree, but for some reason the other user accounts aren't recognizing it as being installed, did I miss a step? |
| 21:21.48 | Supaplex | petewee1: yes, that might work actually. I don't recall which intel modem is a clone of their x100p - but maybe you'll be lucky... |
| 21:21.59 | petewee1 | what's x100p? |
| 21:22.22 | Supaplex | petewee1: Digium branded intel modem. |
| 21:22.30 | petewee1 | lemme check |
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| 21:22.47 | Lycus | ooooo, md5sum mismatch |
| 21:22.56 | themill | jelly-home: yes, wengo can call POTS but I've never even managed to get the wengo loopback test to work so far.... not a good start |
| 21:22.57 | Lycus | how can I get rid of that? |
| 21:23.05 | petewee1 | Supaplex: it's a clone of v92 |
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| 21:23.24 | jelly-home | themill: who pays for the termination? |
| 21:23.28 | themill | Lycus: what are you getting the md5sum mismatch from? |
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| 21:23.32 | Lycus | Ok, I guess it never installed. |
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| 21:23.44 | Lycus | themill: Download done. |
| 21:23.44 | Lycus | md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 21:23.44 | Lycus | The Flash plugin is NOT installed. |
| 21:23.47 | Lycus | Oops. |
| 21:23.48 | themill | jelly-home: the caller does. You need to have a SIP account with wengo first |
| 21:23.48 | Lycus | Sorry. |
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| 21:24.13 | themill | Lycus: ahh. You're using the package in non-free for that? |
| 21:24.40 | Lycus | themill: Er.. I guess? I just did aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 21:24.53 | themill | Lycus: I've always had much more success with the flashplayer-mozilla from the debian-multimedia repo. |
| 21:25.04 | Lycus | debian-multimedia repo? |
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| 21:25.12 | themill | Lycus: I have no idea what the difference is under the bonnet though. |
| 21:25.13 | themill | !dmm |
| 21:25.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 21:25.34 | themill | oh ffs... has dpkg gone walkies again? |
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| 21:26.21 | themill | Lycus: ^^ go there, add the deb lines for a nearby mirror and pick up flash, dvd, mp3, win32 codecs etc |
| 21:26.33 | mbroeker | is there a debian config tool for generating selfsigned certs ? |
| 21:26.44 | Lycus | themill: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 21:27.06 | Lycus | I get that when updating aptitude |
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| 21:27.21 | snowbird | i dont see etch there |
| 21:27.38 | themill | mbroeker: the openssl package has all that. There is also the package tinyca that I've not used but heard good things about. |
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| 21:27.53 | themill | Lycus: you can correct that by installing the debian-multimedia-keyring package. |
| 21:28.11 | Lycus | Where do I get that? |
| 21:28.22 | mbroeker | themill, ok. i have to do it via ./CA.pl ? |
| 21:28.48 | Lycus | nm |
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| 21:29.04 | SiriusFR | Lycus: You must to install the non-free package debian-multimedia-keyring or something like that. |
| 21:29.07 | themill | Lycus: It's a warning that you've added a non-debian repo to your sources.list and that you might pull packages from it. The d-m-keyring package is now available. Just aptitude install |
| 21:29.33 | themill | SiriusFR: it's not non-free, just not in the repo |
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| 21:29.59 | themill | SiriusFR: *main debian repo |
| 21:30.37 | SiriusFR | themill: Yes but this package is avaible when adding debian-multimedia repository, no ? |
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| 21:30.41 | themill | mbroeker: yes. that's right. you can edit the openssl.cnf file to your tastes to make life easier. |
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| 21:30.52 | snowbird | ill ahve to do that mp3s dont play now i know why |
| 21:31.02 | themill | SiriusFR: yes, but it's not non-free... it's a perfectly free package ;) |
| 21:31.35 | SiriusFR | themill: Oh it was a mistake, sorry. |
| 21:32.03 | themill | SiriusFR: no worries... I must have taken my pedantic pills today ;) |
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| 21:32.10 | SiriusFR | :3 |
| 21:32.23 | themill | is that smiley you showing your arse to me? |
| 21:32.37 | themill | it looks for all the world like a full moon.... |
| 21:32.38 | Ronin | wow did i ever return at the wrong time |
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| 21:32.53 | snowbird | why ronin? |
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| 21:33.35 | Ronin | snowbird: scroll up to the second last thing themill said |
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| 21:35.27 | smhar | hello all |
| 21:35.39 | robboplus | offtopic.. is aynone from UK around? i'm trying to find out what county Reading is in |
| 21:36.08 | snowbird | right the aptitude get key? |
| 21:36.39 | xand | robboplus: berkshire |
| 21:36.40 | Supaplex | robboplus: google maps and/or wikipedia should have some idea |
| 21:36.55 | SiriusFR | themill: Ah ah. No it wasn't my arse, it looks like a japan-maded face which means "malicious". |
| 21:37.00 | snowbird | thanks ronin il do it asap have to log in |
| 21:37.16 | xand | robboplus: though it's not a political county |
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| 21:37.20 | smhar | I have a problem booting debian from an old system which was installed from the floppies and the net... Grub is installed on /dev/hda but when booting I got this error: Disk Boot Error, Insert System Disk And Press Enter |
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| 21:38.14 | Drevay | hey guys, just curious, is SELinux turned on by default in etch, and if so, how do i turn it off? |
| 21:38.15 | bernat | nas noches ;) |
| 21:38.33 | xingu | smhar: sounds like someone's blown away the mbr and put an msdos one back on. |
| 21:38.33 | themill | robboplus: administratively, Reading is it's own unitary authority these days and not in any county. |
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| 21:39.02 | xand | berkshire is the "ceremonial" county though |
| 21:39.27 | themill | xand: yep. What a freaking mess. |
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| 21:40.07 | themill | xand: Don't worry... I live in Bristol. Don't mention the "Avon" word over hear, let alone things like "North Somerset".... |
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| 21:40.25 | xand | o.O |
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| 21:42.44 | snowbird | the mill whats that comand to get that d keyring |
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| 21:44.26 | themill | snowbird: aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 21:45.47 | snowbird | thansk themill |
| 21:46.32 | snowbird | done thank you |
| 21:46.33 | JordiGH | Are the ntfstools in etch good enough for partitioning Vista partitions? |
| 21:46.55 | themill | snowbird: no problems. |
| 21:47.41 | xand | JordiGH: dont you mean... deleting? ;) |
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| 21:47.58 | themill | JordiGH: fdisk works just fine for that... |
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| 21:49.57 | rouo | Hi, what is the way to show the TUX at boot on debian? |
| 21:50.18 | rouo | on red hat I have a tux at boot, what is the way on debian? |
| 21:50.24 | rouo | It's a kernel module? |
| 21:50.31 | JordiGH | xand: I wish, but it's not my choice. |
| 21:50.43 | JordiGH | themill: for resizing Vista NTFS partitions too? |
| 21:51.02 | JordiGH | rouo: Yeah, apt-cache search bootsplash |
| 21:51.04 | Supaplex | rouo: I think it's a patch. I'm not aware of it on a vanilla kernel |
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| 21:51.20 | JordiGH | rouo: There's a kernel patch for a Debian spiral. Debian isn't as penguiny as other distros. |
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| 21:51.36 | snowbird | i wonder if this fix my streamtuner |
| 21:51.50 | themill | JordiGH: fdisk will be abel to monkey with the partition table no worries, but as you correctly surmised, it's the file system that is the important thing here. I've no idea how they will go. |
| 21:51.54 | themill | *able |
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| 21:51.55 | rouo | JordiGH: what is a debian spiral? |
| 21:52.08 | Supaplex | rouo: www.debian.org logo |
| 21:52.08 | brodo | hi |
| 21:52.10 | JordiGH | rouo: Red spiral. The Debian free use logo. |
| 21:52.17 | rouo | ups, ok |
| 21:52.23 | JordiGH | ups? |
| 21:52.26 | JordiGH | Romance language speaker? |
| 21:52.36 | rouo | but, on woody I remember that a tux is displaying at boot, I am not right? |
| 21:52.47 | JordiGH | I don't recall a Tux in Woody. |
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| 21:52.53 | JordiGH | At least, not by default. |
| 21:53.04 | themill | vague memories of tux in sarge..... |
| 21:53.04 | Supaplex | same here |
| 21:53.34 | rouo | ok, good bye |
| 21:53.48 | Supaplex | I haven't seen a reboot in 45 days. why would I care about what boot up look like? =-D |
| 21:54.08 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Indeed. Even lappies can be put to sleep. Rebooting is for chumps. |
| 21:54.33 | Supaplex | dpkg: reboot is also for chumps |
| 21:54.33 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
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| 21:55.03 | brodo | i've a problem with the plone-site package |
| 21:55.04 | themill | yep... that's what I don't understand about all the "make init.d faster" stuff... why reboot? |
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| 21:55.27 | JordiGH | I guess dual-booters really can't do without rebooting. |
| 21:55.28 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: I'm so not going to ask about uptime for a lap. |
| 21:55.31 | selam | happy birthday debian, long live |
| 21:55.32 | smacnay | Anyone here using xsane without permission problems care to share the permissions on their /usr/bin/xsane? |
| 21:55.33 | brodo | apt-get install --reinstall dosen't work for it |
| 21:55.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Unlike you, I have parents bitching at me to turn my computers off every night so my useless shit of a little brother can sleep |
| 21:55.42 | snowbird | themill i got that pesky boot thing error in note pad to paste some day |
| 21:55.45 | JordiGH | ! Is today Debian day? |
| 21:55.50 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: sleep? hinternate? |
| 21:55.50 | snowbird | i ahve no idea whats in boot up |
| 21:55.52 | JordiGH | 14? |
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| 21:56.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Well... My laptop sorta has a tendency to choke when I try to do so |
| 21:56.25 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: that would be band-aid on my finger for hibernate |
| 21:56.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: And it won't work for my desktop |
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| 21:57.38 | JordiGH | Oh, man. I missed Debian's birthday. It was this weekend. :-( |
| 21:57.49 | ftp3 | i installed, debian, and i am trying to install some software and I am getting this error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 21:57.56 | ftp3 | gcc is installed.. what could it be? |
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| 21:58.02 | Will_Cego | hi |
| 21:58.02 | themill | !b-e ftp3 |
| 21:58.02 | dpkg | ftp3: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 21:58.16 | ftp3 | thank you |
| 21:58.22 | JordiGH | dpkg: happy birthday! |
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| 21:58.33 | themill | Oh yes.... my new topo maps are working in my gps |
| 21:58.44 | Mr-R | ftp3: install "build-essential" |
| 21:58.51 | Mr-R | ups |
| 21:58.56 | Mr-R | i am soo slow... :) |
| 21:59.11 | themill | where's all this "ups" stuff coming from today? |
| 21:59.16 | brodo | can someone please tell me where i can file a bugreport? |
| 21:59.20 | Will_Cego | don't hurt me, but is anybody capable of building a kernel of the actual debain 4.0 PPC for the Pegasos1? |
| 21:59.26 | Supaplex | !tell brodo -about bts |
| 21:59.28 | themill | brodo: use the package reportbug |
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| 21:59.39 | JordiGH | brodo: aptitude install bugreport. it's the only way. :-) |
| 21:59.43 | JordiGH | Er, reportbug |
| 22:00.02 | brodo | thx |
| 22:00.24 | brodo | that's what i call fast response |
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| 22:00.34 | JordiGH | !next |
| 22:00.42 | Supaplex | !customer |
| 22:00.43 | JordiGH | Oh, that doesn't work here. |
| 22:00.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 22:02.42 | snowbird | how do i cange my movie player |
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| 22:03.02 | brodo | omg my shell crashed |
| 22:03.21 | brodo | first time since ages |
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| 22:03.26 | themill | !tell futex about away |
| 22:03.38 | themill | brodo: shell crashed? |
| 22:03.40 | mancubus | Is it possible run moodin-engine under XFCE4? |
| 22:04.03 | mancubus | I want change xfce splash screen |
| 22:04.27 | simmerz | how do i delete a load of files that are named something.log.[0-9]{2}.gz ? where the [0-9]{2} is a regex |
| 22:04.33 | brodo | themill: yes KDEs 'konsole' |
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| 22:05.05 | NiLon | Is there any tool to view/track traffic in interface? |
| 22:05.12 | NiLon | speed mostly |
| 22:05.15 | themill | brodo: nice effort. I don't think i've ever seen konsole crash (or krash, even). And I beat the living shit out of it all day every day. |
| 22:05.35 | mancubus | NiLon, tcpdump doesn't suitable for you? |
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| 22:06.33 | jelly-home | simmerz: since it's a simple regexp, you can use globbing instead. *.log.[0-9].gz *.log.[0-9][0-9].gz |
| 22:06.33 | Mr-R | simmerz: with find and xargs: "find <path> -name <regex> |xargs rm" USE WITH CAUTION! you have been warned |
| 22:07.19 | simmerz | jelly-home's way seems better. though I did *.log.{1,2}{0..9}.gz |
| 22:07.26 | freetos | 64 studio 2.0 better than ubuntu cause it's based on etch? |
| 22:07.27 | NiLon | mancubus hmm, not really if I can't see speed at realtime |
| 22:07.35 | dondelelcaro | you're better off using -print0 and xargs -0 too. |
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| 22:08.03 | simmerz | thanks though |
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| 22:13.24 | patze_9217 | hi |
| 22:13.33 | JordiGH | !greet patze_9217 |
| 22:13.33 | dpkg | Bonjour, patze_9217 |
| 22:13.53 | themill | G'day patze_9217 |
| 22:14.00 | snowbird | what do u do to tell m player to start |
| 22:14.12 | JordiGH | snowbird: Try using gmplayer. |
| 22:14.22 | snowbird | how do i do that |
| 22:14.33 | snowbird | i get big blue m player pop up |
| 22:14.34 | Supaplex | mplayer file.ext (automatic) |
| 22:14.37 | JordiGH | gmplayer from the console. It also has a menu entry. |
| 22:14.49 | patze_9217 | who can give me some money |
| 22:14.52 | patze_9217 | pleas? |
| 22:14.52 | JordiGH | Right-click to get to menu from mplayer. |
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| 22:14.58 | JordiGH | patze_9217: How much do you need and what for? |
| 22:15.04 | SerajewelKS | patze_9217: get a job? |
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| 22:15.15 | patze_9217 | how can i get a job? |
| 22:15.30 | SerajewelKS | aptitude install basic-skills |
| 22:15.40 | argentum|win | Does Lenny use 2.6.18.4 or 2.6.21.2 ? |
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| 22:16.07 | themill | .21 |
| 22:16.15 | SerajewelKS | .22 |
| 22:16.16 | patze_9217 | i need it for training |
| 22:16.22 | argentum|win | When I instll Etch and Dist-Upgrade to Lenny in Apt, I get a 2.6.21.2 Kernel in GRUB, but using the DVD-1 weekly for Lenny gives me a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 22:16.25 | argentum|win | what the f? |
| 22:16.31 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.22 is the latest in lenny |
| 22:16.32 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 22:16.37 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.21+8 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 22:16.43 | SerajewelKS | or not |
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| 22:16.47 | SerajewelKS | !lose me |
| 22:16.47 | dpkg | serajewelks: You Lose. |
| 22:17.03 | argentum|win | yeha, its not 22 |
| 22:17.08 | snowbird | how do i tel someting else to work m playe is not goo |
| 22:17.09 | argentum|win | but this: |
| 22:17.10 | argentum|win | When I instll Etch and Dist-Upgrade to Lenny in Apt, I get a 2.6.21.2 Kernel in GRUB, but using the DVD-1 weekly for Lenny gives me a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 22:17.13 | SerajewelKS | argentum|win: maybe they haven't built it with a new image |
| 22:17.18 | argentum|win | oh |
| 22:17.19 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: while it may be in, he didn't ask for the latest but what's "in use" (whatever that means) |
| 22:17.23 | themill | SerajewelKS: thought I was losing my mind for a sec there.. |
| 22:17.40 | SerajewelKS | argentum|win: the boot process *can* be kernel-specific or have some kernel-specific quirks |
| 22:17.48 | SerajewelKS | argentum|win: likely it's just not been tested with .21 yet |
| 22:17.52 | themill | argentum|win: the weekly dvd's still use the etch installer as the lenny one is in a broken state |
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| 22:17.55 | jelly-home | argentum|win: what's the date on the dvd build? |
| 22:17.58 | brodo | reportbug opend something that looks much like nano and i have written my bugreport in it. now im ready and want to quit but ctrl+x dosen't work |
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| 22:18.13 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: what's "in use" means nothing at all, since apt doesn't upgrade it for you (usually) |
| 22:18.15 | argentum|win | jelly-home, it's the one on debian.org, the weekly Lenny torrent DVD |
| 22:18.36 | themill | argentum|win: the page about the weekly builds explains that. |
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| 22:18.40 | brodo | ok, it crashed |
| 22:18.48 | Supaplex | what I want is a dual-layer debian dvd torrent. :) |
| 22:18.48 | brodo | damn |
| 22:18.59 | JordiGH | brodo: It *is* nano. :-) You can specify any editor you want with reportbug. |
| 22:19.12 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: well, aptitude could do it automatically with some convinciing |
| 22:19.15 | Supaplex | s/torrent/jidigo/ (or however you spell it) |
| 22:19.15 | brodo | same thing again |
| 22:19.17 | argentum|win | themill: what is the best way to install a 2.6.21.2 kernel, is it simply "apt-get install linux-image" ?? |
| 22:19.23 | JordiGH | brodo: Uh-oh. What's going on? |
| 22:19.30 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: right, but there's a reason it doesn't :) |
| 22:19.41 | themill | argentum|win: aptitude and you'll need to specify the version |
| 22:19.49 | jelly-home | noone like unbootable machines. |
| 22:19.55 | argentum|win | ah |
| 22:20.01 | brodo | JordiGH: i have a ssh session inside konsole and i guess the ssh client crashed |
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| 22:20.45 | themill | brodo: ahhh... that sounds more like it. i find multiple ssh's inside a local konsole to be better than the other way around |
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| 22:21.50 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i one did a remote kernel update and rebooted my box and it didn't come back up |
| 22:21.58 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: but the kernel update was fine |
| 22:22.06 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i just accidentally told it to reboot into xp :) |
| 22:22.07 | snowbird | oh well if i want music il use radio |
| 22:22.19 | snowbird | music on hear aint going no ware |
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| 22:23.24 | brodo | ok guys thx for your help. but it's late half past midnight here in europe and i need some sleep |
| 22:23.35 | brodo | by! |
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| 22:30.00 | snowbird | my java and flash to old eh i know know what wrong |
| 22:30.39 | bolt | how can I get a list of the dns names that go to an ip address? like, the opposite of a regular dns lookup? |
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| 22:30.54 | SerajewelKS | bolt: dix -x 1.2.3.4 |
| 22:30.59 | SerajewelKS | bolt: dig -x 1.2.3.4 |
| 22:31.02 | themill | bolt: nslookup -q=PTR 1.2.3.4 |
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| 22:31.41 | trombo | hi, can anybody recommend a kernel module to play with for educational purpose, to say with parameters and inside the standart debian kernel? i.e I found rd ramdisk quit suitable, but unfortunately it is compiled as =y but not as =m, any other idea? tia |
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| 22:32.17 | dondelelcaro | or host 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa; if you're bored. |
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| 22:33.21 | themill | bolt: of course it's not guaranteed to work. |
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| 22:35.48 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: if you're really bored you can do that with an IPv6 address too |
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| 22:36.58 | XtypeWriter74 | hi ... how can i open a discussion channel of on my own in freenode? |
| 22:36.59 | snowbird | car crash ahh heard a guy run light crunch fenders fell off and opened door it fell off |
| 22:37.08 | XtypeWriter74 | does it cost or .. |
| 22:37.29 | gravity | XtypeWriter74: Just /join the channel, and /msg chanserv about registering it |
| 22:37.39 | gravity | XtypeWriter74: All channels are supposed to be related to free software though |
| 22:37.41 | themill | XtypeWriter74: no, just /join your channel name. Also look at the freenode.net website |
| 22:37.58 | XtypeWriter74 | yoo, thanx |
| 22:38.02 | sayers | !msg | Sayers |
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| 22:38.12 | sayers | !Dock|Sayers |
| 22:38.15 | themill | XtypeWriter74: you might like to tell other people it exists though, otherwise it might be lonely in thre |
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| 22:38.59 | Trojan | JESSE MCCARTNEY |
| 22:39.54 | Trojan | JESSE MCCARTNEY |
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| 22:43.30 | Ind[y] | I have an avi file and an srt file. How do I watch the movie using the subtitles (with Totem)? |
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| 22:45.59 | snowbird | is that thing bond posted safe? |
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| 22:47.21 | tim_flatus | Ind[y], you might have better luck with VLC or MPlayer |
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| 22:48.16 | philll | well good night all see you tomorrow |
| 22:48.22 | snowbird | you too |
| 22:48.25 | Hammar | does anyone have suggestions on adjusting the display brightness of medion notebooks? |
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| 22:50.14 | tim_flatus | I'm trying to design a 'dark' gtk2 theme and I'm wondering if anyone can suggest a way of unthemeing Firefox/snowferret's html window. Or have any pointers where to look to find out what the containing widget or class is called? |
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| 22:50.18 | nitroxide | hi |
| 22:50.41 | nitroxide | i'm searching how to reinstall a package, and all libraries the package depend on ? |
| 22:50.53 | Trojan | JESSE MCCARTNEY |
| 22:50.54 | SerajewelKS | nitroxide: why |
| 22:51.00 | SerajewelKS | !ops Trojan troll |
| 22:51.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: serajewelks complains about: Trojan troll |
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| 22:51.22 | RichiH | Trojan: please stop with that |
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| 22:51.30 | Trojan | ok |
| 22:51.31 | Trojan | JESSE MCCARTNEY |
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| 22:51.39 | ferret | Mmm snow. |
| 22:51.41 | Trojan | sorry |
| 22:51.58 | snowbird | mmm yellow snow is |
| 22:52.02 | nitroxide | SerajewelKS: coz i have manually installed libs who f**** up my gaim ssl |
| 22:52.03 | snowbird | dog been out |
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| 22:52.26 | SerajewelKS | !tell nitroxide about reinstall |
| 22:52.29 | Trojan | lol |
| 22:52.46 | nitroxide | reinstall what ? |
| 22:53.10 | tim_flatus | I guess I probably need to talk to some iceweasel devs. |
| 22:53.50 | nitroxide | ah yes sorry, i got it in query |
| 22:54.03 | Supaplex | tim_flatus: why so? |
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| 22:54.38 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 22:54.41 | dooglus | is there any support for any wireless 802.11 "N" chipset via native drivers? |
| 22:54.41 | tim_flatus | Supaplex, I'm trying to design a 'dark' gtk2 theme and I'm wondering if anyone can suggest a way of unthemeing Firefox/snowferret's html window. Or have any pointers where to look to find out what the containing widget or class is called? |
| 22:54.52 | tim_flatus | Sorry for the repetition |
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| 22:55.31 | derek_ | I had my rt2570 wireless card working with iwconfig on gentoo (emerge rt2570 wireless-tools handled most of it) but am a new user to Debian and don't understand it at all really. I've checked the wiki but couldn't find anything. How do I set my wireless connection up? |
| 22:55.34 | Supaplex | tim_flatus: I'd hunt for a theme only plugin, and see what's involved. |
| 22:55.43 | Ind[y] | ok, thanks |
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| 22:55.58 | Supaplex | derek_: for the module, you'll need m-a (/msg dpkg m-a) |
| 22:56.02 | tim_flatus | Supaplex, that's an idea! thanks. |
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| 22:56.26 | Supaplex | np tim_flatus :) |
| 22:56.53 | jeffwheeler | Woah, 240 system updates -- apparently Update Manager hasn't been launching. |
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| 22:57.15 | dnanar | i have a weird question about nvidia/nv module under Xorg (Debian unstable) : i have installed nvidia proprietary module. Now, i would like to come back to nv module. I load "nv" in xorg.conf instead of "nvidia". Xorg start well. But when i'm trying to launch something like mplayer, vlc, or any 3D game, i've got a Seg fault. I think it's due to some bad .so . Does anyone know how to solve this please (e.g. i think, remove all .so inst |
| 22:57.44 | themill | derek_: it should just be aptitude install module-assistant rt2570-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i rt2570 |
| 22:58.15 | tim_flatus | dnanar, I thought the nv module didn't support 3d. Perhaps I'm being a bit obtuse. |
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| 22:58.23 | themill | !tell derek_ about m-a |
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| 22:59.11 | dnanar | tim_flatus: it does not support 3D acceleration. But you can use ugly 3d apps with it. (it works on a fresh debian install) |
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| 22:59.25 | tim_flatus | dnanar, corrected. |
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| 22:59.51 | dnanar | ok :) |
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| 23:00.37 | themill | jeffwheeler: 240...are you running sid? and you're letting update-manager install things automatically? |
| 23:01.58 | jeffwheeler | themill: yes, sid; update-manager has, in the past, automatically installed things -- I noticed it in Synaptic, though, this time |
| 23:02.14 | jeffwheeler | themill: well, not _automatically_, but with my verification |
| 23:02.20 | themill | jeffwheeler: I take it you like living dangerously..... |
| 23:02.26 | jeffwheeler | themill: absolutely |
| 23:02.35 | jeffwheeler | themill: and I have my stable machine |
| 23:02.40 | Supaplex | jeffwheeler: I hope you have apt-listbugs :) |
| 23:02.59 | themill | Doesupdate-manager only do upgrade and not dist-upgrade? |
| 23:03.19 | jeffwheeler | themill: only upgrade, as far as I've ever seen |
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| 23:03.42 | themill | jeffwheeler: that could also stop it from installing things for you, of course |
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| 23:04.13 | derek_ | themill and supaplex: Ok, I'm building the source: I did all that and what now? |
| 23:04.19 | derek_ | No errors it seems to have been compiled correctly. |
| 23:04.27 | Nicon | Ellow. Installed a package which conflicts with dependencies (dpkg -i --force-depends) and apt wants to downgrade it again. Though the package works fine and I need it. Can I somehow make apt ignore this actually non-existant conflict? |
| 23:04.45 | themill | derek_: if should all be installed then if you used m-a a-i. Modprobe and be happy. |
| 23:05.08 | Muffin | Hello. I'm having trouble upgrading sasl2-bin. It seems that the ./invoke-rc.d script fails because saslauthd is running. If I manually kill saslauthd (as has worked in the past), however, the whole installation of sasl2-bin just hangs, and never completes... |
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| 23:05.40 | dnanar | anyone may help me please ? =) |
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| 23:06.07 | mbroeker | does anyone know the filename or db in which iceweasel stores the data from about:config ? |
| 23:06.32 | tim_flatus | Nicon, yes |
| 23:06.44 | mbroeker | i have entered a boolean value and it must be a string. but i cannot delete the boolean entry |
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| 23:06.56 | Agrajag- | dnanar: how did you install the nvidia module? did you do it the debian way? |
| 23:07.06 | Nicon | tim_flatus: got a hint on parameter/input to use to achieve this? :) don't mind reading man pages, as long as I have a keyword to look for |
| 23:07.29 | tim_flatus | Nicon, dpkg --force-help |
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| 23:08.04 | Nicon | tim_flatus: I used --force-all and tried --force-depends while installing it. install works great, apt-get later on complains of unresolved dependencies. |
| 23:08.22 | jeffwheeler | mbroeker: look in ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
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| 23:08.37 | jeffwheeler | mbroeker: that directory will have a randomly generated folder, and you want prefs.js within that |
| 23:08.50 | jeffwheeler | mbroeker: there's also a link in the header of that file you may want to look at |
| 23:08.52 | dnanar | Agrajag-: well... i tried the both way (nvidia installer and debian way) |
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| 23:09.15 | tim_flatus | Nicon, that's not entirely surprising. You probably need to install at the rest using --force-conflicts too. And if it breaks ... |
| 23:09.27 | dnanar | Agrajag-: i know that nvidia installer is bad but i didn't know when i installed it |
| 23:09.41 | mbroeker | jeffwheeler, yes. but the prefs.js file contains not the value i am looking for. strange |
| 23:09.44 | Nicon | tim_flatus: I don't want to force anything else. or have newer versions of the other packages. Just this forced one. And I want apt to be OK with it. :) |
| 23:10.06 | abchirk | Which version has xchat in sid? |
| 23:10.15 | themill | !xchat sid |
| 23:10.21 | tim_flatus | Nicon, can't you just put it on hold? |
| 23:11.26 | Nicon | tim_flatus: don't think so. it want's to either upgrade libasound2+libc6 or downgrade kvm (wanted package in never version) |
| 23:11.26 | no3sc | How do I change both owner and group of a directory and all the files in it? |
| 23:11.36 | Nicon | tim_flatus: suggesting apt-get -f install which will downgrade kvm. |
| 23:11.47 | themill | !info xchat sid |
| 23:11.51 | themill | bah |
| 23:11.52 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 23:11.58 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 23:11.58 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 23:12.04 | abchirk | mhh :( |
| 23:12.12 | abchirk | !sid xchat |
| 23:12.23 | Supaplex | !+info xchat |
| 23:12.28 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 23:12.34 | Supaplex | my bad. redundant. |
| 23:12.36 | derek_ | I apt-get installed firefox , how do I get it to show up in my menu |
| 23:12.48 | abchirk | xchat has onlx 716kb installed? |
| 23:12.51 | abchirk | thx Supaplex |
| 23:13.44 | chlue | Does java under debain64-testing still not work 'out of the box'? I have the package sun-java6-jre and a bunch of other stuff installed and I can run java-programms, but neither Konqueror nor Iceweasel want to use it. (I fear I need some kind of plugin to connect browser and jre, which is not avaible.) |
| 23:14.34 | Supaplex | chlue: bugs.debian.org might know of any outstanding issues |
| 23:14.47 | tim_flatus | Nicon, I find it's best to let apt-get do what it wants to do. Hassle the package maintainer if the conflict is broken. |
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| 23:15.38 | Nicon | tim_flatus: actually that is not the best solution for me since it'll break my KVM usability. It should be doable. |
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| 23:16.01 | SerajewelKS | chlue: there is no java plugin for 64bit |
| 23:16.41 | tim_flatus | Nicon, if it should be doable and it isn't surely there's a bug to report? |
| 23:17.22 | tim_flatus | Nicon, unless you're not using official packages, that is. |
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| 23:17.51 | themill | Nicon: are you trying to force kvm from sid into an etch box? |
| 23:18.09 | derek_ | What is debian's equivalent to wireless-tools (in gentoo) /etc/conf.d/net ? |
| 23:18.23 | chlue | SerajewelKS: I don't know how this stuff works. I realised there is an jre-avaible nowadays and hoped this might be enough. Apparently this assumption was wrong :-( |
| 23:18.28 | Nicon | themill: actually ubuntu environment. but kind of the same situation. I need a new kvm from "unstable" to coop with my 2.6.23-rc3 kernel KVM api. |
| 23:18.48 | Nicon | tim_flatus: it should be doable as apt should have an option for it. |
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| 23:19.08 | SerajewelKS | chlue: nope, because sun are lazy asses who haven't released a 64bit java plugin yet |
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| 23:19.22 | derek_ | Where would I put wireless-tools (iwconfig) config file? In gentoo it was /etc/conf.d/net |
| 23:19.24 | tim_flatus | Nicon, you're on your own. |
| 23:19.25 | themill | Nicon: 1) If you were using debian, then you could use the latest kvm from sid. 2) debian != ubuntu and 3) apt should not have an option for it. |
| 23:19.31 | Supaplex | derek_: debian has a wireless-tools. are you thinking man 5 interfaces? |
| 23:19.55 | Nicon | themill: actually KVM is up and running but apt's dependency checks are blocking future installs of packages. until it thinks that it is resolved. |
| 23:20.10 | derek_ | I don't know. I'm trying to make the configuration for my wireless card. |
| 23:20.15 | SerajewelKS | Nicon: which is the correct behaviour |
| 23:20.18 | derek_ | But I can't find the config file. |
| 23:20.22 | SerajewelKS | Nicon: unless you like your system horribly broken |
| 23:20.26 | Supaplex | derek_: for networking? |
| 23:20.34 | derek_ | Yes. |
| 23:20.44 | themill | derek_: wireless config is either in /etc/network/interfaces or through NetworkManager |
| 23:20.55 | Supaplex | derek_: install wireless-tools. man 5 interfaces. dpkg -L wireless-tools | less |
| 23:20.57 | Nicon | SerajewelKS: in a manner; yes. though since it's manually tested and working.. should be an override imo. |
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| 23:21.20 | themill | derek_: you probably also want the wpasupplicant package |
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| 23:21.24 | SerajewelKS | Nicon: you can override dpkg |
| 23:21.36 | SerajewelKS | Nicon: apt does not provide that option because it's not apt's job to do so |
| 23:21.37 | Supaplex | derek_: apt-file can find packages that contain a file you're looking for. (fyi) |
| 23:21.39 | Nicon | SerajewelKS: yes. but not satisfy apt with overriden dpkg options :/ |
| 23:21.49 | SerajewelKS | Nicon: apt's job is to make sure your system works |
| 23:21.51 | Muffin | Anyone have trouble installing the latest sasl2-bin? I seem to have a problem where /etc/init.d/saslauthd fails to kill the daemon because it doesn't know that the daemon is running. |
| 23:22.03 | SerajewelKS | Nicon: and if you are doing something like this on ubuntu then you really want #ubuntu |
| 23:22.05 | themill | Nicon: get the source package and recompile it on your system and update the deps while you're at it. |
| 23:22.14 | themill | !tell Nicon about simple sid backport |
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| 23:22.40 | stoned | hey guys |
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| 23:22.43 | stoned | what is up |
| 23:22.56 | themill | Nicon: apt is smarter than you. Don't try to force it to do things that it doesn't want to. |
| 23:23.00 | tim_flatus | stoned, !down |
| 23:23.03 | Nicon | themill: from the info I've got here I'll most likely just unpack the deb file, replace the binaries and let apt think it has the old version installed until the new one is deployed. |
| 23:23.09 | stoned | !down |
| 23:23.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, down is negative up. |
| 23:23.13 | stoned | ok... |
| 23:23.28 | Nicon | themill: seems like by FAR the easiest solution. |
| 23:23.35 | themill | Nicon: it's your box. just don't come back asking for help. |
| 23:23.35 | bazz | i'm trying to get direct rendering working on my machine. i'm using the radeon driver and i've got my xorg.conf right (i think) because i get RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled. but when i run glxinfo i see that it's trying to load my r200_dri.so driver and failing with: undefined symbol: _glapi_add_dispatch. i've removed fglrx-6-8-0 and fglrx-4-3-0 but that hasn't helped. ideas? |
| 23:23.56 | themill | Nicon: Oh, and please don't ask ubuntu questions in here anyway. ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:24.06 | Saar | forcing apt to take it up the behind is my hobby ;-) |
| 23:24.10 | chlue | SerajewelKS: Oh I was wrong. http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml shows me a working java applet in Konqueror. Only Opera and Iceweasel don't cooperate. |
| 23:24.12 | Nicon | themill: it's a general dpkg/apt behaviour oriented question from the beginning. |
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| 23:24.21 | tim_flatus | Saar, you're sick |
| 23:24.26 | themill | !tell Nicon about based on debian |
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| 23:24.31 | Nicon | themill: which you very kindly explained that you cannot force :-) |
| 23:24.39 | Saar | tim_flatus: just adventurous ;-) |
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| 23:25.09 | SerajewelKS | chlue: they probably use the 32-bit wrapper |
| 23:25.13 | Nicon | themill: and why would you assume that I come back asking for help if I manually unpack and overwrite apt maintained files in my filesystem?... makes no sense. |
| 23:25.15 | themill | Nicon: a backport would be the most sensible thing to do. You really don't want a broken libc on your box. |
| 23:25.17 | maraq | hi, could anyone tell me what to do to a dir so the files created in it inherit the group and user ? |
| 23:25.57 | Muffin | maraq: The user who creates a file owns it, with their own group. |
| 23:25.58 | Nicon | themill: yupp. that would give me the best package from a system view. |
| 23:26.14 | themill | Nicon: the rest of us hit "makes no sense" earlier than that in the conversation... we don't know where your "makes no sense" threshold is going to be ;) |
| 23:26.43 | vlt | Hello. How can I disconnect a USB connected device? |
| 23:26.43 | Saar | broken libc :-) i remember the tricky nature of installing a new libc by hand... |
| 23:26.49 | maraq | sure.. but i thought i remembered something like setgid to be able to do this, similar to when u setuid a binary |
| 23:26.54 | themill | Nicon: Ask some linux old timers who used to use redhat linux about what redhat did around version 4ush when they broke libc... that was a fun time for everyone. |
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| 23:27.10 | Saar | especially when all my packages were hand compiled, ack |
| 23:27.17 | Saar | from tarballs |
| 23:27.21 | maraq | Muffin: but i might be mistaken |
| 23:27.37 | themill | Saar: yep... the work was segfaulting around you |
| 23:27.47 | Muffin | I think you have to call setgid/setuid... |
| 23:27.50 | Saar | haha yeah |
| 23:27.50 | Nicon | themill: it was a basic dpkg/apt question still. a simple "not possible even if reason it should" would have squared :) and yepp. broke my libc6 a few times in my days. |
| 23:28.01 | chlue | vlt: if it was mounted by kde you can do it graphical under system:/media with konqueror. |
| 23:28.16 | stoned | munchies. you understand :) |
| 23:28.21 | Muffin | Oy. |
| 23:28.43 | stoned | back on sid, back on sid.. la de da I'm back on sid |
| 23:29.38 | stoned | c'mon, sing it with me |
| 23:30.18 | stoned | Need to get 430MB of archives. After unpacking 60.8MB will be used. Damn man... I have not updated my sid box in almost half a year |
| 23:30.30 | stoned | I wonder what will break this time :) |
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| 23:31.02 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i hear the upgrade script for the kernel zeroes hd* and sd* these days :) |
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| 23:31.32 | stoned | lol |
| 23:31.47 | stoned | SerajewelKS: even while stoned, I'm not falling for it :) |
| 23:31.58 | stoned | good try though :) |
| 23:32.08 | SerajewelKS | stoned: you weren't supposed to, it's called a joke :P |
| 23:32.32 | stoned | word homie |
| 23:32.50 | SerajewelKS | peace out |
| 23:32.56 | stoned | take 'er easy |
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| 23:33.19 | stoned | SerajewelKS: you haven't left yet? |
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| 23:34.28 | zmainframe | Hi |
| 23:34.32 | pickcoder | meh |
| 23:34.36 | zmainframe | I need some help. |
| 23:35.11 | SerajewelKS | !tell zmainframe about ask |
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| 23:35.40 | stoned | I like bean bags |
| 23:35.45 | muhoo_ | is there some way to test (in a script) if the user has sudo permissions to execute a particular command? |
| 23:35.50 | stoned | you can shape it to your body when you sit |
| 23:36.02 | muhoo_ | i.e. without trying it, and then getting the script stuck with a Password: prompt? |
| 23:36.25 | stoned | muhoo_: hmm.. you can always maybe cat /etc/sudoers and grep for the username? |
| 23:36.26 | themill | sudo -l |
| 23:36.32 | muhoo_ | themill: thanks |
| 23:36.34 | stoned | I dunno what -l does |
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| 23:36.48 | themill | gives you munchies.... |
| 23:37.08 | stoned | no it doesn't |
| 23:37.14 | themill | !cookie stoned |
| 23:37.16 | sayers | !vlc |
| 23:37.16 | dpkg | [vlc] the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 23:37.24 | sayers | apt-gettable |
| 23:37.31 | stoned | themill: you can actually tell sudo to not have access to certain comamnds? |
| 23:37.34 | Jaymuhz | quick question, I was installing iDJc from source, so I apt-get build-dep idjc to make sure I had all the dependencies, now I couldn't rely get idjc to work properly so I just removed the files, but how can I get rid of all the packages apt-get build-dep installed? |
| 23:37.44 | muhoo_ | sudo is amazing |
| 23:37.45 | stoned | themill: I was reading the -l option in the manpage |
| 23:37.51 | SerajewelKS | stoned: you have to give it a list |
| 23:37.56 | stoned | SerajewelKS: of what? |
| 23:37.59 | muhoo_ | i have a few commands set to NOPASSWD |
| 23:38.04 | stoned | i see |
| 23:38.08 | stoned | I should look into sudo more |
| 23:38.08 | SerajewelKS | stoned: it only lets certain people execute certain things as certain users |
| 23:38.12 | muhoo_ | "reboot" and "shutdown" are useful examples |
| 23:38.19 | muhoo_ | on a workstation |
| 23:38.20 | stoned | because some times I get stoned and do thinks that I regret later |
| 23:38.25 | SerajewelKS | stoned: the typical usage is to allow one user to run anything as root, or one group |
| 23:38.25 | Jaymuhz | no one? |
| 23:38.39 | stoned | like one time, I thought I was on one box, but I was on another, and I formatted it |
| 23:38.42 | stoned | :( |
| 23:38.57 | stoned | SerajewelKS: I'm the only one who uses my system |
| 23:39.00 | pickcoder | muhoo_: wouldn't it be easier to add those users to a specific group and only let that group execute the script? |
| 23:39.05 | sayers | Why can' |
| 23:39.07 | SerajewelKS | stoned: me too, but i still use it |
| 23:39.12 | SerajewelKS | stoned: because i'm paranoid :) |
| 23:39.13 | sayers | Why can't I install vlc ? |
| 23:39.16 | sayers | it's not in my respos. |
| 23:39.21 | stoned | SerajewelKS: of course, I don't even have a root passwd set |
| 23:39.29 | muhoo_ | yeah, but i'm writing a script to do an admin task for me |
| 23:39.41 | muhoo_ | and i need to first check if i have permissions to do that on this box, without having to type in my pw |
| 23:39.46 | stoned | muhoo_: can't you write me a script? |
| 23:39.53 | chlue | sayers: it currently not in testing |
| 23:40.05 | themill | sayers: what does apt-cache policy vlc say? |
| 23:40.15 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.24 | muhoo_ | it's a short script |
| 23:40.24 | sayers | chlue, Hm. Why not ? |
| 23:40.30 | stoned | muhoo_: thats not very nice |
| 23:40.32 | sayers | themill, I am in testing. |
| 23:40.32 | stoned | :( |
| 23:40.33 | SerajewelKS | stoned: for i in /dev/[sh]d[a-z]; do dd if=/dev/zero of=$i; done # run if you like adventure and are stupid |
| 23:40.50 | themill | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 23:40.50 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 23:40.59 | stoned | SerajewelKS: you must be joking |
| 23:41.00 | chlue | sayers: http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vlc.html |
| 23:41.01 | themill | sayers: then you're SOL at present |
| 23:41.01 | stoned | you have to be... |
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| 23:41.11 | SerajewelKS | stoned: hey you guessed it this time |
| 23:41.15 | stoned | SerajewelKS: its not adventerous, its just plain stupid |
| 23:41.24 | sayers | Any alternatives / better ? |
| 23:41.38 | muhoo_ | adventurous is: /dev/dsp < /dev/random |
| 23:42.11 | stoned | SerajewelKS: but of course, I am no stupid, I am adventerous |
| 23:42.12 | stoned | :) |
| 23:42.17 | stoned | not* |
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| 23:42.26 | stoned | SerajewelKS: I got one for ya |
| 23:42.38 | stoned | SerajewelKS: rm -rf /bin/laden |
| 23:42.41 | muhoo_ | actually, cat /dev/[sh]d[a-z] > /dev/dsp might be fun |
| 23:42.46 | stoned | its old, I know, but thats all I have |
| 23:42.53 | stoned | lol |
| 23:42.57 | SerajewelKS | stoned: yeah that's one of my pidgin away messages |
| 23:43.05 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:43.12 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.12 | stoned | SerajewelKS: how about 'make love' |
| 23:43.29 | stoned | muhoo_: oohh give me a new idea for a tshirt |
| 23:43.31 | vlt | chlue: No, I don't want to unmount a fs, I want to disconnect the device (so that it diappears from lsusb, for ex.) |
| 23:43.36 | muhoo_ | gnu make used to reply "Not war?" |
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| 23:43.40 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i saw one guy when i worked at marsh, had a t-shirt white-on-black that just said: rm -rf /bin |
| 23:43.41 | muhoo_ | but now, alas it has no sense of humor anymore |
| 23:43.43 | muhoo_ | make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop |
| 23:43.43 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i commented on it |
| 23:43.50 | SerajewelKS | stoned: he said i'm the second person to understand it |
| 23:44.10 | sayers | Are there any alternatives to VLC in the Unstable respos? |
| 23:44.15 | stoned | mplayer! |
| 23:44.25 | stoned | !mplayer |
| 23:44.25 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 23:44.27 | sayers | stoned, thanks |
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| 23:44.37 | muhoo_ | funny, mplayer is in debian, but mencoder is not? |
| 23:44.46 | stoned | !dmm |
| 23:44.46 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 23:44.49 | stoned | because of this |
| 23:44.49 | muhoo_ | debian-multimedia.org has it though, but why not regular debian? |
| 23:44.52 | stoned | maybe? |
| 23:44.59 | themill | My favourite t-shirt says "cd /pub; more beer". Not many get that one either. |
| 23:45.05 | stoned | because of DFSG policies |
| 23:45.07 | muhoo_ | mencoder has patent issues but mplayer does not? |
| 23:45.12 | mystic_pinguin | someone have some good websites whree i cn get informaytiom about hiw to install wireless in my debian ? |
| 23:45.14 | muhoo_ | they have the same man page :-) |
| 23:45.23 | stoned | muhoo_: I don't know the exact reason |
| 23:45.24 | mystic_pinguin | i allready install the driver but i cant put this working |
| 23:45.24 | mystic_pinguin | :x |
| 23:45.24 | themill | !tell mystic_pinguin about wireless |
| 23:45.33 | SerajewelKS | i also like the shirt "there's no place like 127.0.0.1: |
| 23:45.37 | SerajewelKS | s/:/"; |
| 23:45.42 | stoned | heh |
| 23:45.46 | stoned | thats a nice one |
| 23:45.46 | SerajewelKS | i want to make an IPv6 version "there's no place like ::1" |
| 23:45.52 | stoned | what about an ipv6 version of it |
| 23:45.54 | stoned | ? |
| 23:45.59 | stoned | yup |
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| 23:46.06 | stoned | too late me is toner |
| 23:46.14 | mystic_pinguin | themill is necessary read all this to install the wireless here dont have any gui toconfigure the password and this stuff? |
| 23:46.14 | stoned | umm |
| 23:46.19 | muhoo_ | t-shirt: http://www.hands.com/~phil/debian/T-shirt/ |
| 23:46.22 | stoned | pretend that it made sense |
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| 23:46.39 | themill | mystic_pinguin: umm... no, they're pretty useless, actually.... sorry.... |
| 23:46.40 | SerajewelKS | stoned: just like everything else you've said |
| 23:46.43 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 23:46.43 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 23:46.54 | themill | mystic_pinguin: what chipset do you have? |
| 23:47.05 | loupgaroublond | gnome's multimedia keys started controlling the wrong volume control in the mixer after i installed pulseaudio, how do i configure it back? |
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| 23:47.31 | stoned | SerajewelKS: thats not very nice :( |
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| 23:47.49 | derek_ | How do I get wpa working in debian? |
| 23:48.11 | abrotman | depends on your wifi driver |
| 23:48.15 | derek_ | rt2570 |
| 23:48.34 | themill | derek_: configure wpasupplicant through /etc/network/interfaces is the most common way. not sure about that chipset though |
| 23:48.39 | derek_ | I figured iwconfig would be able to handle it but it won't connect to the router |
| 23:48.39 | SerajewelKS | stoned: not really no :) |
| 23:49.23 | stoned | haha |
| 23:49.30 | stoned | themill got burned by the bot |
| 23:49.35 | stoned | that is awesome |
| 23:49.49 | themill | night all! |
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| 23:49.59 | themill | dpkg: g'night |
| 23:49.59 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 23:50.09 | derek_ | themill: I tried to apt-get install wpasupplicant but it returned this: Errors were encountered while processing: cpad-kernel-source wacom-kernel-source . E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code |
| 23:50.55 | sayers | stoned, jimmy hendrix? |
| 23:51.03 | sayers | stoned, Mplayer is very good tyvm |
| 23:51.10 | stoned | sure bro |
| 23:51.26 | stoned | I have not really heard too much hendrix |
| 23:51.31 | stoned | and I think he is extremely overrated |
| 23:51.51 | stoned | but we can discuss all that in #music |
| 23:51.54 | sayers | stoned, :O :O :O |
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| 23:53.39 | bjorkimacg3 | hmmm. anyone else running xdmx yet? |
| 23:53.52 | Muffin | Jimi, as it's spelled, and he is not close to overrated so long as you evaluate him in the context in which he existed. |
| 23:54.36 | bjorkimacg3 | the 'context' in which he existed /:) |
| 23:54.39 | pace17 | do you guys know where one might procure a less than legal copy of windows xp? |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | pace17: wrong channel |
| 23:54.51 | bjorkimacg3 | pace17, from mr gates. |
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| 23:54.59 | bjorkimacg3 | call him up :) |
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| 23:55.19 | abrotman | pace17: and a good way go get banned from freenode |
| 23:55.32 | pace17 | sooooooooooooooorry |
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| 23:56.30 | derek_ | I can't get my wireless card (it is recognized by iwconfig) to work with WPA. What do I do? |
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| 23:56.40 | pace17 | are most servers dedicated to things the way freenode is to open source/freeware? |
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| 23:56.48 | mesof | does aumix operate off of ALSA? |
| 23:56.54 | abrotman | pace17: depends |
| 23:57.01 | abrotman | pace17:try efnet |
| 23:57.02 | Yggdrasil | im running fvwm where is it that i set up apps to autostart under x ? |
| 23:57.03 | mesof | i should say is alsa needed for aumix |
| 23:57.12 | abrotman | derek_: check the driver specs |
| 23:57.22 | Yggdrasil | ive tried ~/.xsession |
| 23:57.25 | SerajewelKS | mesof: no, aumix worked wher i was using oss |
| 23:57.29 | pace17 | thanks, abrotman |
| 23:57.29 | SerajewelKS | when* |
| 23:57.42 | derek_ | abrotman, What do you mean? I had this same usb adaptor working in gentoo yesterday. |
| 23:57.46 | mesof | SerajewelKS: cool, thanks |
| 23:57.59 | mesof | Yggdrasil: what's your problem |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | derek_: depnds on the version also |
| 23:58.22 | Yggdrasil | mesof im trying to startup a little script |
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| 23:58.31 | Yggdrasil | auto start after i log into fvwm |
| 23:58.53 | derek_ | abrotman, And I'm trying to compile wpasupplicant but it returns errors with wacom-kernel-source and cpad-kernel-source |
| 23:58.57 | omind | hi all |
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| 23:59.08 | mbroeker | Yggdrasil, can you please make a screenshot of fvwm ? |
| 23:59.09 | mesof | Yggdrasil: have you tested the script? |
| 23:59.09 | derek_ | Which seems entirely unrelated. |
| 23:59.14 | mesof | Yggdrasil: is it executable? |
| 23:59.15 | Yggdrasil | i triedd ~/.xsession but it didnt work |
| 23:59.21 | mbroeker | i havent seen that since years!, Yggdrasil |
| 23:59.32 | mesof | Yggdrasil: what exactly did you put in .xsession? |
| 23:59.41 | twiggz | i just used synaptic to install irssi-scripts ....which scripts exactly? lol |
| 23:59.49 | bjorkimacg3 | Yggdrasil, .xinitrc ? |
| 23:59.59 | Yggdrasil | yes |
