| 00:00.12 | lwizardl | can someone explain to me how do i install this http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-hfsplus/ |
| 00:00.31 | pga | apt-get install hfsplus ? |
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| 00:00.42 | pga | make all |
| 00:00.44 | pga | make install? |
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| 00:01.00 | jarohp | hello there. |
| 00:01.57 | jarohp | i'm having really weird troubles with my dhcp server - i'm plugging large number of devices for shorter periods of time but recently they all begun to get same conflicting address. I really don't know what to do with that. |
| 00:02.00 | jarohp | dhcpd says this: |
| 00:02.03 | jarohp | DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1 |
| 00:02.04 | jarohp | DHCPOFFER on 192.168.251.150 to 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1 |
| 00:02.08 | jarohp | DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.251.150 from 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1 |
| 00:02.09 | jarohp | DHCPACK on 192.168.251.150 to 00:08:54:e2:b4:34 via eth1 |
| 00:02.09 | jarohp | DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1 |
| 00:02.09 | jarohp | DHCPOFFER on 192.168.251.150 to 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1 |
| 00:02.09 | jarohp | DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.251.150 from 00:08:54:e2:6c:c3 via eth1 |
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| 00:02.15 | morgan | lolz |
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| 00:02.30 | jarohp | ops... |
| 00:02.32 | chupie | ok, i did the dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and rebooted.. now the screen just goes black |
| 00:04.20 | pga | chupie, you see NOTHING? |
| 00:04.32 | chupie | yes, black screen |
| 00:04.40 | pga | cmd-mac F1 |
| 00:04.46 | pga | what errors are there |
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| 00:05.20 | chupie | doesn't show any |
| 00:05.31 | pga | so x starts up normally? |
| 00:05.47 | chupie | yeah, seems so.. |
| 00:05.54 | chupie | just nothing shows up |
| 00:06.22 | pga | heres what i suggest: cop a copy of DAmn Small Linux from damnsmalllinux.org and see if that runs |
| 00:06.52 | chupie | k |
| 00:07.51 | chupie | wait.. damn small has a ppc version? |
| 00:08.11 | pga | ah ok yeah... no it doesnt |
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| 00:09.10 | pga | though there are ports fo it |
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| 00:20.46 | NicNac | what happened |
| 00:21.11 | Sepero | Question- Where are the core X11 cursors installed at? |
| 00:21.23 | Sepero | Question- Where are the core X11 mouse cursors installed at? |
| 00:21.27 | Hoxzer | I have to torture my self 12h and 30min |
| 00:21.30 | Hoxzer | then I go to sleep :) |
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| 00:24.21 | pga | chupie, apparently SuSe, Fedora (they have liveCD versions) and MkLinux run on PPC |
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| 00:27.48 | linux_jones | stupid ati |
| 00:28.08 | pga | linux_jones, stupid closed minded people |
| 00:28.29 | linux_jones | does that mean you know how to make it work? |
| 00:29.02 | pga | what ati card? |
| 00:29.08 | linux_jones | yeah |
| 00:29.12 | pga | lappy/desktop? |
| 00:29.19 | linux_jones | desktop |
| 00:29.25 | pga | Radeon? |
| 00:29.31 | linux_jones | 9800 pro |
| 00:29.40 | linux_jones | yup |
| 00:29.51 | pga | does X Start? |
| 00:30.08 | NicNac | 9600pro here :P |
| 00:30.29 | linux_jones | nope, i had to disable gdm |
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| 00:30.54 | NicNac | 9750? |
| 00:30.55 | linux_jones | it would hang the whole system, even make the keyboard not work |
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| 00:31.07 | pga | NicNac, its a Sony shizzat card |
| 00:31.07 | NicNac | is that real or did you just make that up? :P |
| 00:31.15 | pga | no openGL or anything |
| 00:31.21 | pga | POS card really |
| 00:31.54 | pga | linux_jones, does X give any errors? |
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| 00:32.00 | NicNac | only reason I still use mine is because I'm a cheap git |
| 00:32.24 | pga | i have a 9550 that can do anything great |
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| 00:33.28 | linux_jones | not errors, warnings |
| 00:33.37 | pga | what warnings |
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| 00:35.42 | linux_jones | a bunch of font path warnings... |
| 00:36.54 | linux_jones | the bigest one is RADEON: no matching decice section for instance (bus id....) found |
| 00:37.34 | linux_jones | then right under it is (--)chipset ati rad...... found |
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| 00:40.02 | linux_jones | then warnings about my monitor, like (1024x786, dell e551c) mode clock 75mhz exceeds maximum of 70mhz |
| 00:40.08 | linux_jones | any of that helping at all? |
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| 00:42.04 | snowbird | i ned new sane backends mine are crashing |
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| 00:43.17 | newpers | somehow i don't have gcc and cc installed. what's the package name to apt-get install? |
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| 00:46.01 | vook | anyone have any information/ideas on file recovery after accidental deletion (on jfs or perhaps other file systems? I had a poorly aimed 'rm -rf *' the other night. |
| 00:46.49 | petemc | vook: it varies according to the fs |
| 00:46.57 | vook | it was on jfs |
| 00:47.10 | petemc | not perhaps some other fs? |
| 00:47.30 | vook | petemc: well, I wasn't sure if it mattered. |
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| 00:47.53 | petemc | i think it does, and i know nothing of jfs |
| 00:48.02 | rocketmagnet | hey, is there a default user guide when coming from another distro to get to know the basic system structure ? |
| 00:48.08 | petemc | googling for jfs file recovery might help |
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| 00:48.15 | petemc | rocketmagnet: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 00:48.24 | vook | wasn't sure if rm acts above the filesystem, and has the same action as it would on an other fs. |
| 00:48.49 | rocketmagnet | petemc: ty |
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| 00:49.37 | vook | petemc: I haven't found anything but spammy windows tools via google. After this happened, I immediately unmounted the filesystem (home) and created a dd image of it. |
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| 00:49.56 | petemc | vook: sounds like a good start |
| 00:50.56 | vook | I hope this isn't the day I learn to identify data structures in hex, the data is still there according to hexdump. |
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| 00:51.51 | R4M0N | hey everyone |
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| 00:58.17 | kenboo | is there a postgresql driver package for openoffice.org? |
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| 00:58.36 | Lisper | hellp |
| 00:58.41 | Lisper | lol |
| 00:58.45 | Lisper | hello* |
| 01:00.16 | Lisper | What can I do to make emacs the system default editor so as to avoid typing export EDITOR="emacs -nw" everytime I open a new console? |
| 01:00.47 | petemc | Lisper: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 01:02.42 | kenboo | or just set the environment var in .bashrc |
| 01:03.26 | pga | yeah thats what i was going to do |
| 01:03.32 | Lisper | thanks petemc. It let me change the default editor but, what if I want to define some flags? I would like it being emacs -nw instead of just emacs |
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| 01:06.09 | petemc | Lisper: you cant do that in the rc file? |
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| 01:07.12 | Lisper | the thing is that when I execute "emacs" I want it to be X. But when I exec some command that needs an editor I want it to use some flags |
| 01:07.32 | petemc | no idea, sorry |
| 01:07.49 | Lisper | tried modding a file at /usr/bin/sensible-editor bud didn't work |
| 01:08.11 | Lisper | np pete, thanks anyway. Your help let me find something new ;) |
| 01:08.15 | kenboo | why don't you set EDITOR="emacs -nw" |
| 01:08.28 | Lisper | tried but it was not permanent |
| 01:08.31 | kenboo | in .bashrc |
| 01:08.33 | Lisper | unless something failed |
| 01:08.41 | Lisper | let me check |
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| 01:09.23 | kenboo | export it, too |
| 01:10.27 | Lisper | k |
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| 01:13.08 | Lisper | kenboo: This time it worked, I had to place the export line in the .bashrc Tried the set line again (to erase any doubt and didn't work just as before) |
| 01:13.14 | Lisper | now it is working |
| 01:13.19 | Lisper | thanks :) |
| 01:14.00 | pga | give me a reason that linux is made of epic win and windows is made of fail |
| 01:14.26 | jetscreamer | because little richard does linux |
| 01:14.53 | pga | thanks >:] |
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| 01:16.21 | kyevan | Grr... isn't debian supposed to look for libraries in /usr/local/lib? |
| 01:16.37 | pga | kyevan, in theory |
| 01:17.01 | kyevan | In practice? |
| 01:17.13 | pga | depend |
| 01:17.17 | pga | what lib? |
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| 01:17.27 | kyevan | libti*2 |
| 01:17.53 | pga | never heard of it |
| 01:17.55 | pga | is it installed? |
| 01:17.58 | kyevan | The packages lie, they're the pre rewrites |
| 01:18.01 | kyevan | pga: Yes. |
| 01:18.20 | kyevan | I could have irssi dump the ls output, if you like, but flooding's not nice |
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| 01:19.36 | kyevan | Huh, weird |
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| 01:21.15 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 01:21.15 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:21.16 | pga | kyevan, why do you use linux? (im writing for my blog) |
| 01:21.32 | jetscreamer | to make bloggers wonder |
| 01:21.45 | infernix | kyevan: add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
| 01:21.55 | kyevan | infernix: Ah, thanks. |
| 01:22.04 | deadcat | what the f is a blogger? unpaid writers/journalist? |
| 01:22.11 | pga | kind of |
| 01:22.29 | deadcat | nice |
| 01:22.37 | kyevan | pga: Because while I do run into more issues, I'm actually able to fix them (with help >_>), rather than sit on my ass and wait for a patch from MS/Apple/Whoever |
| 01:23.11 | deadcat | kyevan: most people wait and complain.. so you're a nice user |
| 01:24.19 | infernix | even when not able to fix issues, there's so many ways to determine the source of the problem that it gives a sense of freedom |
| 01:24.39 | infernix | basically the only barrier between determining and solving the problem is ones knowledge, which can be extended |
| 01:24.44 | deadcat | my friend is so piss at suspend/resume on linux.. |
| 01:25.07 | deadcat | well. the suspend part works. just not able to wake up |
| 01:25.11 | infernix | without having to take up MCSE or CCNA or whichever. just learn to search the intarweb |
| 01:25.14 | kyevan | deadcat: Heheh :P |
| 01:25.29 | pga | deadcat, i can suspend and resume but sound fails like shit |
| 01:25.40 | pga | deadcat, why do YOU run linux? |
| 01:25.42 | deadcat | pga: there you go (= |
| 01:25.44 | kyevan | infernix: Even with a deep knowledge of the internals of a proprietary system, there's only so much you can do. |
| 01:25.50 | deadcat | pga: because my computers are f'ing slow (= |
| 01:26.39 | infernix | kyevan: yup. use the source, luke :) |
| 01:27.59 | infernix | but the obvious backfire in open source world is "fix it yourself", so as with everything in life, it's both good and bad |
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| 01:28.30 | pga | infernix, why do you use linux? |
| 01:28.46 | infernix | pga: i just told you |
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| 01:29.43 | pga | ah ok |
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| 01:32.37 | lepine | how does one connect to a device via a serial cable? |
| 01:32.45 | deadcat | lepine: minicom |
| 01:33.08 | lepine | is that free and avail on debian? |
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| 01:33.20 | deadcat | lepine: apt-get it |
| 01:33.54 | lepine | bingo, thanks |
| 01:34.01 | stoned | deadcat: !! |
| 01:34.12 | deadcat | apt-get it |
| 01:34.14 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:34.16 | stoned | el cato muerte |
| 01:34.18 | stoned | hehehe |
| 01:34.20 | stoned | or something |
| 01:34.27 | stoned | wait |
| 01:34.35 | stoned | that translates to The Cat of Death |
| 01:34.36 | stoned | nm |
| 01:34.41 | DustyBin | when i do dpkg -l what does it mean if 'pc' is next to the package? |
| 01:34.43 | DustyBin | pc mythtv-common |
| 01:34.44 | stoned | I can't do spanish, but HI!, long time no see deadcat |
| 01:35.04 | deadcat | DustyBin: purged/config.. use more to read the first few lines |
| 01:35.27 | DustyBin | ok |
| 01:35.28 | deadcat | stoned: ya.. not much action lately in debian/linux |
| 01:35.31 | jetscreamer | cato |
| 01:35.35 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 01:35.36 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:35.36 | asg | stoned: el gato malodoro |
| 01:35.39 | jetscreamer | try again |
| 01:35.41 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 01:35.43 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:35.54 | stoned | jetscreamer: asg: hi |
| 01:36.00 | stoned | man i finally found some fucking budds |
| 01:36.10 | stoned | ahhh im gonna go roll a fat one, see ya'll stoend |
| 01:36.13 | asg | hiya stoned |
| 01:36.19 | asg | seeya stoned |
| 01:36.20 | deadcat | AHHAHAH |
| 01:36.30 | stoned | its play on words |
| 01:36.33 | stoned | 'seen ya soon' |
| 01:36.36 | stoned | see ya stoned |
| 01:36.37 | stoned | :D |
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| 01:38.59 | deadcat | i was at linuxworld.. it sucked out loud. |
| 01:39.06 | jetscreamer | it's saturday night... i'm married, but why are you at home? |
| 01:39.20 | stoned | i had a long day |
| 01:39.22 | stoned | I'm tired |
| 01:39.23 | jetscreamer | work |
| 01:39.27 | stoned | plus rahul is in india |
| 01:39.34 | stoned | oh nm you're not talking to me |
| 01:39.43 | deadcat | hahaah. |
| 01:39.44 | stoned | i am missing some conversation |
| 01:39.46 | stoned | let me guess |
| 01:39.52 | stoned | boratman must be around |
| 01:40.23 | R4M0N | guys, do u know about xgl's compatibility with geforce 8500 GT cards? google cant find much on the 8000 series :S |
| 01:40.25 | jetscreamer | yes i was typing at you no abrot isn't typing |
| 01:40.42 | stoned | oh |
| 01:40.55 | stoned | heh, yeh well I got a half hour lecture on marriage and the sanctitiy of islamic marriage |
| 01:40.59 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 01:41.01 | stoned | :( |
| 01:41.03 | stoned | my mom grilled me today man |
| 01:41.06 | stoned | it sucked |
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| 01:41.12 | pga | hey stoned why do you run linux? |
| 01:41.21 | stoned | because it is free |
| 01:41.27 | stoned | I don't feel like paying for 64bit software |
| 01:41.30 | stoned | go figure. |
| 01:41.42 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:41.42 | deadcat | i just like screen (= |
| 01:41.45 | stoned | and many many other reasons |
| 01:41.48 | stoned | like customizability |
| 01:41.52 | stoned | stability, and power |
| 01:42.01 | stoned | not to mention access to the source code |
| 01:42.02 | jetscreamer | i'll have to show you low and no cost windows direct from microsoft |
| 01:42.47 | stoned | please doi |
| 01:42.49 | R4M0N | no cost windows? |
| 01:42.54 | shark | i have a script that goes like this: #!/bin/bash |
| 01:42.55 | shark | str=tta |
| 01:42.55 | shark | if [ `expr index $str y` > 0 ]; then |
| 01:42.55 | shark | echo "dkjfh" |
| 01:42.55 | shark | fi |
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| 01:42.59 | jetscreamer | you have to kiss ass for it |
| 01:43.05 | stoned | dude |
| 01:43.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:43.14 | stoned | it is a finely shaped 21 year old female ass |
| 01:43.17 | deadcat | stoned: they y is not working |
| 01:43.18 | pga | cool. Im writing 10 reasons that linux is made of epic. you have the top spot. |
| 01:43.18 | stoned | if |
| 01:43.18 | jetscreamer | but yeah they'll give it to you |
| 01:43.19 | stoned | and yes |
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| 01:43.26 | stoned | I'll fucking not just kiss it, i'll eat that shit up |
| 01:43.33 | deadcat | shark: the y is not working |
| 01:43.42 | jetscreamer | and you can get a lot for 300 bucks... like one of everything, with multiple licenses |
| 01:43.50 | shark | deadcat: yes.. why is that |
| 01:44.03 | shark | deadcat: what is wrong? |
| 01:44.05 | deadcat | shark: y is not a var. you want $y ? |
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| 01:44.19 | stoned | hey |
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| 01:44.24 | stoned | what is Tulsa backwards? |
| 01:44.28 | stoned | A Slut :) |
| 01:44.33 | stoned | whats a slut backwards? |
| 01:44.38 | stoned | $100 |
| 01:44.44 | deadcat | stoned: HAHAHAHAHA |
| 01:45.03 | shark | deadcat: no, i want to test the 'expr', it returns 0 because y is not in the string |
| 01:45.11 | stoned | its not mine deadcat |
| 01:45.14 | stoned | its Larry the cable guy |
| 01:45.16 | deadcat | oh |
| 01:45.34 | shark | deadcat: but when i run the script, it writes the dkjfh |
| 01:45.37 | asg | stoned: there has to be a followup involving re-entrancy but I'll be assed if I can think of it |
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| 01:45.59 | stoned | in oklahoma, some teacher got arrested for having sex with her student |
| 01:46.02 | stoned | turns out |
| 01:46.08 | stoned | the student was being home schooled |
| 01:46.13 | stoned | OOOOO :D |
| 01:46.18 | stoned | i'll shut up |
| 01:46.37 | shark | #flood |
| 01:46.45 | deadcat | shark: sorry. never used expr in that fancy fashion before |
| 01:47.06 | stoned | brb |
| 01:47.07 | stoned | pottery time |
| 01:47.07 | timtheli1n | I am frustrated with the bloatedness and instabuility of emacs, and I am frustrated with the complexity lack of features in vim, is there some other powerfull command line text editor that I should try for editing code? |
| 01:47.35 | shark | deadcat: i use read OPTION, and i want to check if $OPTION contains a character, "1" for example |
| 01:47.43 | infernix | timtheli1n: openoffice? |
| 01:47.43 | deadcat | i dont get movies.. after a sex scene why do those mofo still wearing more cloths than me |
| 01:47.47 | shark | deadcat: do you know a way to do this/.? |
| 01:48.03 | timtheli1n | infernix: neither command line, nor a code editor. |
| 01:48.33 | infernix | timtheli1n: nano, mc |
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| 01:49.31 | pga | 10 reasons linux is made of epic WIN: http://pengunassasin.freeweb7.com/index.php?page=blog&fid=20070819014736 (with stuff from everyone that participated) |
| 01:49.47 | deadcat | screenshot? |
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| 01:50.05 | deadcat | can a brotha get some screenshot? |
| 01:50.10 | basti | when i start kde there are several krusader and df prozesses running, that can´t be killed with pkill - 9 name. when i rename krusader so that it wont start at startup and start it after booting it "crashes" (it goes down, but the prozess itself remains but can´t be killed either). when i start konqueror it crahes immediatley - but at least the proezess is killed, too. any suggestions ;) |
| 01:50.37 | infernix | timtheli1n: you could look at the apps listed under the debtag use::editing |
| 01:50.50 | infernix | or maybe devel::editor would be better |
| 01:51.00 | amphi | deadcat: screenshot of what? |
| 01:51.18 | deadcat | amphi: window manager. |
| 01:51.45 | gimmal | anyone know how the heck an NTFS partition can become "write-protected"? and how the heck to disable it? it's used from vista, when that mux is booted |
| 01:52.16 | gimmal | "mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only" yerghhh |
| 01:52.28 | gimmal | checking mount(8) |
| 01:52.46 | basti | you don´t write on ntfs via unix |
| 01:52.51 | gimmal | egh, it's probably in the kernel |
| 01:52.54 | petemc | gimmal: you should check google(1) |
| 01:52.58 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 01:53.00 | gimmal | basti: bad mojo? |
| 01:53.12 | deadcat | badass |
| 01:53.18 | gimmal | I've heard it was experimental, or some shytte, but I thought that it might be all worked out, by now |
| 01:53.23 | basti | yep. see above |
| 01:53.26 | amphi | deadcat: http://picpaste.com/ss.png |
| 01:53.28 | jetscreamer | #/dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs-3g noauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 01:53.37 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:53.37 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 01:53.46 | newpers | what package do i need for make-kpkg |
| 01:53.50 | jetscreamer | don't use the regular one whatever you do |
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| 01:53.58 | gimmal | fmask, dmask, never heard of those |
| 01:54.12 | jetscreamer | kernel-package libncurses5-dev read-edid mdetect build-essential |
| 01:54.21 | jetscreamer | newpers: |
| 01:54.21 | gimmal | jetscreamer: gotcha; danke |
| 01:54.43 | shark | deadcat: i found out, it should be "-gt" instead of the ">"... |
| 01:55.16 | jetscreamer | as opposed to ro, /dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs auto,users,noexec,ro,umask=022,fmask=0333,dmask=0222,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 01:55.24 | newpers | kernel-package |
| 01:55.26 | newpers | thanks :) |
| 01:55.32 | jetscreamer | all of those newpers |
| 01:55.39 | jetscreamer | or most |
| 01:55.47 | jetscreamer | the read-edit and mdetect no |
| 01:55.48 | newpers | thanks |
| 01:55.52 | jetscreamer | edid |
| 01:55.53 | deadcat | shark: ah. |
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| 01:57.01 | deadcat | amphi: what are the grids on the image? |
| 01:58.46 | deadcat | goddamnt.. i need to check my email and the server is down or something )= bitch'n |
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| 01:59.30 | jetscreamer | there is no email |
| 01:59.39 | Kjikaqawej | wow, gimp 2.4rc1 |
| 01:59.42 | deadcat | freeshell |
| 02:00.15 | amphi | deadcat: they're just separating the viewports - that's a zoomed-out view of 3x3 viewports |
| 02:00.16 | newpers | if i'm compiling with make-kpkg --append_to_version=-1-openvz --added_patches=openvz --revision=1 --initrd binary-arch. do i need to run another make-kpkg command to build the kernel headers? |
| 02:00.30 | deadcat | amphi: what WM? |
| 02:00.41 | amphi | deadcat: compiz |
| 02:00.46 | deadcat | amphi: oh |
| 02:01.23 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets |
| 02:01.24 | amphi | deadcat: on my crappy old mobility radeon 7500 with 32mb |
| 02:01.32 | deadcat | wow |
| 02:01.32 | jetscreamer | but i think binary arch covers it |
| 02:01.45 | newpers | thanks |
| 02:01.55 | Kjikaqawej | amphi: that's probably the lower limit for compiz/beryl/whatever |
| 02:02.06 | Kjikaqawej | amphi: er, more of a question there, heh |
| 02:02.20 | gimmal | how do you read the disk label of a scsi disk device? |
| 02:02.25 | amphi | Kjikaqawej: radeon 7000 (M6) is the lowest, I think ;) |
| 02:02.50 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf also newpers |
| 02:02.53 | Kjikaqawej | my tnt2 doesn't do it, despite having some other ogl stuff working |
| 02:02.55 | pingouin | what are all those .serverauth.[number] i have in my /home/me ? |
| 02:03.12 | Kjikaqawej | pingouin: X authority stuff |
| 02:03.24 | newpers | thanks, jetscreamer |
| 02:03.29 | newpers | i'm going to be amazed if this works |
| 02:03.49 | pingouin | Kjikaqawej: so i guess it's ok to have them |
| 02:03.56 | pingouin | Kjikaqawej: can i delete them ? |
| 02:04.08 | enouf | gimmal: lsscsi, lshal, /dev/disk/by-label maybe |
| 02:04.13 | Kjikaqawej | well if they're not in use, sure |
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| 02:04.33 | amphi | Kjikaqawej: no gl_texture_from_pixmap? |
| 02:04.56 | pingouin | Kjikaqawej: ok, thanks for help |
| 02:05.13 | enouf | even /proc/scsi/scsi might have some info, and/or file -s /dev/sdX |
| 02:05.34 | Kjikaqawej | amphi: uh i'm not sure. glxinfo useful to find out? |
| 02:05.43 | enouf | er /dev/sdXX ... partition |
| 02:06.16 | Kjikaqawej | nope (from glxinfo) |
| 02:06.19 | amphi | Kjikaqawej: yes - glxinfo | grep texture_from_pixmap |
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| 02:07.38 | enouf | Kjikaqawej: i got a tnt2 32MB agp here, it returns 3 things for glxinfo | grep texture_from_pixmap |
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| 02:08.04 | Kjikaqawej | mine's 16 |
| 02:08.05 | amphi | enouf: IIRC, two is enough ;) |
| 02:08.07 | Kjikaqawej | mb |
| 02:08.10 | bjorkBSD | can i do a net-install? |
| 02:08.14 | Kjikaqawej | yes |
| 02:08.17 | enouf | however nothing for gl_texture_from_pixmap |
| 02:08.17 | deadcat | bjorkBSD: sure |
| 02:08.19 | bjorkBSD | my .iso's pretty crappy. |
| 02:08.25 | bjorkBSD | thanks to debian of course. |
| 02:08.26 | enouf | amphi: :-P |
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| 02:08.37 | bjorkBSD | i don't see an option, it insists on using the cdrom. |
| 02:08.41 | amphi | Kjikaqawej: I think the problem is with the proprietary driver for old nvidia cards, not sure |
| 02:08.51 | enouf | amphi: Kjikaqawej i'm using the xorg 'nv' driver |
| 02:08.52 | Kjikaqawej | amphi: possibly |
| 02:09.03 | Kjikaqawej | enouf: ah ok. using the nvidia |
| 02:09.09 | enouf | they make one, the 7xxx or something |
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| 02:09.18 | enouf | but its evil :-P |
| 02:09.19 | ruben | Hello, some tool to convert udf iso, to ISO-9660? |
| 02:09.20 | Kjikaqawej | (-legacy) |
| 02:09.25 | Kjikaqawej | yes it is |
| 02:09.27 | amphi | Kjikaqawej: and the nouveau driver isn't there yet, AFAIK |
| 02:09.44 | Kjikaqawej | amphi: crashed my box every time i tried to use it |
| 02:09.49 | amphi | enouf: yeah, but it lacks something compiz needs IIRC |
| 02:10.06 | enouf | amphi: even the proprietary poop one? |
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| 02:10.35 | enouf | amphi: i recall, i managed to get directx 8.1 working at one point in win98 back in 2003 :-P |
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| 02:12.02 | Kjikaqawej | wow nice splash screen |
| 02:12.08 | Kjikaqawej | gimp 2.4rc1 |
| 02:12.58 | snowbird | scaner wont work |
| 02:13.16 | amphi | enouf: yeah, even (or particularly) the hated blob, I think |
| 02:14.27 | gimmal | enouf: lsscsi, never heard of it, or lshal either, danke |
| 02:14.35 | bjorkBSD | how do i invoke(provoke) the net installer? |
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| 02:15.37 | jetscreamer | damn you still haven't fixed that scanner? |
| 02:15.43 | jetscreamer | you suck! :) |
| 02:15.46 | jetscreamer | j/k |
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| 02:16.35 | snowbird | no |
| 02:16.39 | Kjikaqawej | !tell bjorkBSD -about ig |
| 02:16.46 | snowbird | i know why jetscream |
| 02:16.50 | bjorkBSD | ig? no thanks. |
| 02:16.52 | amphi | gimmal: quodlibet is pleasant enough |
| 02:16.59 | bjorkBSD | back to openbsd. |
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| 02:17.34 | Kjikaqawej | you download netinst, burn it, boot from it, install. what is so hard about that? |
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| 02:17.42 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
| 02:17.43 | bjorkBSD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:17.47 | bjorkBSD | that's not hard. |
| 02:17.50 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 02:17.59 | bjorkBSD | who says i'm on windows? |
| 02:18.05 | gimmal | 12.4 flipping gigs used, for a bare-bones msmuxdozer "vista on bullshytte" installation, without even the proper drivers being installed -- fsking hellacious. MSFT doe NOT know how to do it. |
| 02:18.25 | gimmal | amphi: quodlibet? sounds like classical music |
| 02:18.34 | Kjikaqawej | 12 GB for hastalavista? |
| 02:18.42 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
| 02:18.56 | gimmal | jetscreamer: you know, I have a long-term plan of staking my career on that kind of sentiment |
| 02:19.00 | amphi | gimmal: it's an "audio library manager and player" |
| 02:19.10 | gimmal | 'course that ain't all there is to the thought ;0) |
| 02:19.16 | jetscreamer | gimmal: i'm in favor of a blend |
| 02:19.27 | jetscreamer | whatever works |
| 02:19.29 | Kjikaqawej | and again gimp has an effing different dir for the version.... |
| 02:20.05 | amphi | what's wrong with illegal decss support? |
| 02:20.20 | gimmal | amphi: sounds special; will take a look; maybe it's what I was looking for, even earlier today, heh |
| 02:20.31 | gimmal | jetscreamer: reminds me of the name of blender, hehe |
| 02:20.45 | amphi | gimmal: it works ok for me; I was using moc before |
| 02:20.54 | gimmal | if I could just play all flipping DVDs on linux, I would have no qualms about bidding Vista farewell |
| 02:20.56 | jetscreamer | i was pro blender when they were raising money to gpl it |
| 02:21.02 | gimmal | back to that thread, I mean |
| 02:21.36 | jetscreamer | !libdvdcss2 |
| 02:21.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat>, or <debian-unofficial> |
| 02:21.36 | amphi | gimmal: I haven't come across one that I couldn't play |
| 02:21.38 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 02:21.38 | dpkg | somebody said debian-multimedia was a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 02:21.42 | gimmal | it's fun to play some games on Vista, also,b ut I could really do without those. Given a fully functional linux install, there's plenty to do besides game-around |
| 02:22.09 | gimmal | amphi: I have; can't remember which -- I think it was SG-1 season 9 |
| 02:22.22 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:22.27 | bjorkBSD | i already have the netinst iso |
| 02:22.27 | jetscreamer | bad rip |
| 02:22.37 | amphi | gimmal: I have no idea what that is ;) |
| 02:22.38 | jetscreamer | works fine here |
| 02:22.42 | bjorkBSD | it's what i'm working off of, but the damned thing insists on getting crap from the CD! |
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| 02:22.52 | jetscreamer | i've watched sg1 s1-s10 |
| 02:22.56 | jetscreamer | on linux |
| 02:23.03 | amphi | bjorkBSD: edit your sources.list |
| 02:23.04 | gimmal | jetscreamer: hehe, I should send a letter to the mfgr, but they'd think "ahh just another 'Linux nut'" or some shytte, if they'd even be that confusedly neo-aware |
| 02:23.31 | gimmal | amphi: Stargate SG-1, TV series |
| 02:23.34 | bjorkBSD | before burning the cd? |
| 02:23.47 | amphi | gimmal: oh, I wot not of it |
| 02:24.06 | amphi | bjorkBSD: eh? |
| 02:24.13 | bjorkBSD | which sources.list? |
| 02:24.36 | amphi | bjorkBSD: perhaps I misunderstood your problem |
| 02:25.05 | bjorkBSD | i'm trying to install debian on my imac. |
| 02:25.14 | bjorkBSD | debian insists on using the CD as it's source. |
| 02:25.41 | amphi | bjorkBSD: after installation? |
| 02:25.50 | bjorkBSD | i have to install it first, no? |
| 02:26.20 | bjorkBSD | i want it to pull the files from the net instead. but i don't see an option to do so in the installer |
| 02:26.22 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/apt/sources.list if you already installed |
| 02:26.53 | jetscreamer | you need the businesscard version if you want it all net |
| 02:27.03 | jetscreamer | the netinst has some basefiles |
| 02:27.52 | jetscreamer | it will d/l the bulk though |
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| 02:29.05 | bjorkBSD | hah. i don't want the one that *actually* says 'netinst' in it. |
| 02:29.11 | bjorkBSD | i want the one that DOES not say 'netinst' :) |
| 02:29.24 | bjorkBSD | awesome. |
| 02:29.38 | amphi | pfft |
| 02:29.58 | jetscreamer | think of the other one as a cut down version of the netinst |
| 02:30.01 | bjorkBSD | ambigous much? |
| 02:31.17 | amphi | bjorkBSD: if you had read http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ you might be less perplexed |
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| 02:31.44 | bjorkBSD | hmmph |
| 02:32.40 | Kjikaqawej | "ohnoz i have to read documnetatiopn!?!1111" |
| 02:33.01 | Kjikaqawej | va jouer dans le traffic |
| 02:33.03 | amphi | Kjikaqawej: whole _lines_ of it |
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| 02:33.21 | Kjikaqawej | amphi: ohnoz |
| 02:33.37 | bjorkBSD | Kjikaqawej, die! |
| 02:33.53 | Kjikaqawej | kiss my brown ass |
| 02:34.24 | bjorkBSD | you have a brown ass? mine's grayish :) |
| 02:34.32 | bjorkBSD | brays for no apparent reason. should call the vet. |
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| 02:34.53 | amphi | bjorkBSD: you probably have a slow puncture |
| 02:35.05 | bjorkBSD | very likely. |
| 02:35.26 | bjorkBSD | 'cause we stumbled over some rough terrain on the way home the other day. |
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| 02:36.06 | rs | hi, I'm wondering where I set the priority order of wireless networks, atm it tries to connect to the wrong one each time I log on my laptop |
| 02:37.21 | liable | with wpasupllicant |
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| 02:39.02 | rs | liable: I'm unable to find a wpasupplicant config file though.. it's currently connects with NetworkManager when I log in (gnome) |
| 02:39.25 | liable | rs: you have to make your own. theres examples in the docs for it |
| 02:39.31 | liable | !usd |
| 02:39.31 | dpkg | from memory, usd is /usr/share/doc. The font of all knowledge, after you install a new package. |
| 02:39.39 | coil | yay for debian wiki |
| 02:39.57 | bjorkBSD | yay for nothing. |
| 02:40.14 | bjorkBSD | *nix was created in '69 and it's still a royal PAIN in the muthafucking ARSE! :| |
| 02:40.17 | bjorkBSD | go m$ |
| 02:40.33 | mmnicolas | ? |
| 02:40.40 | rs | liable: okey.. I'll have a look at it tomorrow.. thanks for now |
| 02:40.43 | bjorkBSD | frigging commie oses. |
| 02:41.04 | ameyer | umm... |
| 02:41.05 | mmnicolas | bjorkBSD: take your pills |
| 02:41.21 | ameyer | yeah, unix is communist |
| 02:41.38 | bjorkBSD | not necessarily |
| 02:41.44 | Guerin | of course it is |
| 02:41.51 | ameyer | developed using funding from the US government during the cold war... |
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| 02:41.53 | bjorkBSD | gnu IS |
| 02:42.00 | Guerin | it's from california, which is a librul breeding-ground, and all libruls are commies |
| 02:42.12 | Guerin | no, not GNU - BSD |
| 02:42.13 | bjorkBSD | Guerin, no it's not :-j it's from the east coast. |
| 02:42.18 | bjorkBSD | oh that. |
| 02:42.18 | asg | Guerin: but root has the power so it's totalitarian |
| 02:42.22 | bjorkBSD | bsd works just fine :) |
| 02:42.31 | Guerin | last I checked berkeley was in Cali |
| 02:42.35 | ameyer | Massachusets is fairly liberal... |
| 02:42.35 | bjorkBSD | it's the other wanna-be's. *sigh* |
| 02:42.45 | Guerin | asg: this is also true. |
| 02:42.52 | ameyer | RMS is a MIT guy last I checked... |
| 02:42.56 | Guerin | ameyer: this is also true too |
| 02:43.09 | Guerin | ameyer: he didn't mention GNU, he mentioned unix |
| 02:43.15 | bjorkBSD | i mentioned *nix. |
| 02:43.17 | Guerin | and as we know, Gnu's Not UNix |
| 02:43.28 | ameyer | Heck, college campuses tend to lean left, at least the non-fundamentalist ones... |
| 02:43.46 | liable | where is this conversation going except down trollery lane? |
| 02:43.47 | Guerin | ameyer: this is a side effect and consequence of education. |
| 02:43.53 | stoned | lol |
| 02:43.54 | ameyer | probably |
| 02:44.04 | xsdg | liable: I think that's about it |
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| 02:44.14 | Guerin | liable: as a political scientist, I *love* when tech geeks try to troll politics |
| 02:44.35 | Guerin | it's like they think poliotics is a machine which always works the same way and it simple once you work out the API |
| 02:44.36 | bjorkBSD | 'politcal science'. the oxymoron of oxymorons. |
| 02:44.49 | Guerin | bjorkBSD: Aristotle called politics `the master science' |
| 02:45.00 | bjorkBSD | funnily enough, MOST politicians didn't bother with poli-sci :)) |
| 02:45.02 | amphi | pfft, what did he know? |
| 02:45.11 | bjorkBSD | he also thought the earth was the centre of the universe. |
| 02:45.17 | Guerin | amphi: yeah, true, it was all his students who ever amounted to anything |
| 02:45.41 | stoned | it may very well be, how do we know that the milky way isn't in the center somewhere |
| 02:45.49 | ruben | file onice.iso |
| 02:45.50 | ruben | onice.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data UDF filesystem data (unknown version, id 'NSR01') 'CDROM |
| 02:45.54 | ruben | what is the way to only use ISO9660? my dvd does not write in UDF :(, any idea? |
| 02:46.14 | amphi | stoned: turtles all the way down, eh? ;) |
| 02:46.17 | Guerin | bjorkBSD: #1 occupations in politics: 1. lawyer 2. teacher/university professor 3. small-business owner |
| 02:46.33 | Guerin | (or former small-business-turned-large-business-owner) |
| 02:46.34 | bjorkBSD | lawyers give good head. besides that ... |
| 02:46.46 | amphi | #0 large business owner |
| 02:46.50 | Guerin | nope |
| 02:47.12 | bjorkBSD | Guerin, also small-time dope dealers for #4? :D |
| 02:47.17 | stoned | nerdery |
| 02:47.22 | asg | Sophists |
| 02:47.36 | xsdg | ruben: almost all DVDs are UDF |
| 02:47.38 | Guerin | anyway, it's back to fritters |
| 02:47.43 | bjorkBSD | used-car salesperson for #5! |
| 02:47.46 | xsdg | ruben: which is to say, I believe you're mistaken |
| 02:47.47 | bjorkBSD | *applauds* |
| 02:47.56 | Guerin | i'm trying to break on through the other side of drunkenness |
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| 02:48.04 | Guerin | and am currently picking up a good bit of speed |
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| 02:48.09 | stoned | I went tree climbing |
| 02:48.10 | ruben | xsdg: I have this using woodim |
| 02:48.12 | ruben | Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x05 (cannot write medium - incompatible format) Fru 0x0 |
| 02:48.16 | stoned | I'm way up high Guerin |
| 02:48.18 | stoned | hi btw |
| 02:48.20 | Guerin | stoned: me too. |
| 02:48.25 | stoned | haha word man |
| 02:48.26 | xsdg | ruben: are you using a DVD writer? |
| 02:48.28 | Guerin | stoned: i have more lovely Owhiro Bay Sunshine |
| 02:48.42 | ruben | xsdg: yes of course |
| 02:48.57 | snowbird | stoned on my scanner |
| 02:48.58 | xsdg | ruben: if so, that may mean you have the wrong type of _media_ (like DVD-RW with a DVD-R writer or something) |
| 02:49.00 | stoned | I put on 50 random tracks from collection, I'm hearing this I've never heard before and its good |
| 02:49.01 | ruben | xsdg: Detected DVD-R drive: /dev/hdc Identification : 'DVD RW DRU-710A ' |
| 02:49.12 | bjorkBSD | the ONLY reason i'm installing debian is so that you linuxers don't feel left out of my network. |
| 02:49.19 | snowbird | i went in sane room and they say i need new backend my old ones fight |
| 02:49.20 | ruben | xsdg: so, the DVD? |
| 02:49.20 | bjorkBSD | you really should feel lucky i say! [-( |
| 02:49.24 | snowbird | should i give up |
| 02:49.25 | Kjikaqawej | bjorkBSD: kiss my brown ass |
| 02:49.30 | xsdg | ruben: what type of DVD is it? |
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| 02:49.56 | bjorkBSD | Kjikaqawej, my ass would feel jealous if it saw me kissing your ass and then turning around to hit him :P |
| 02:50.11 | xsdg | bjorkBSD, Kjikaqawej: stop, please |
| 02:50.14 | Kjikaqawej | snowbird: might just need to fix the backend conf |
| 02:50.24 | ruben | xsdg: sony doble layer, normal, I can write cd/dvd, but not isos's that have 'UDF' |
| 02:50.27 | ameyer | but I would not feel so all alone, everybody must get stoned... |
| 02:50.38 | snowbird | i tried its fine config |
| 02:50.44 | asg | get stoned .. or wang chung |
| 02:50.49 | bjorkBSD | xsdg, Kjikaqawej started with the osculation business. talk to him. |
| 02:51.07 | xsdg | ruben: maybe you need to use a different tool? (I haven't actually burned dvds, so I think this is beyond my area of expertise) |
| 02:51.11 | xsdg | bjorkBSD: please stop. |
| 02:51.14 | ameyer | My laptop can't burn CDs at all, what could the problem be? |
| 02:51.26 | ameyer | well, other than it not having a burner |
| 02:51.40 | ruben | xsdg: wich tool? I am trying using growisofs, wodim, cdrecord, all says the same :( |
| 02:51.51 | bjorkBSD | oy! |
| 02:51.58 | xsdg | ruben: dvd+rw-tools? |
| 02:52.03 | bjorkBSD | xsdg, please stop asking me to stop! |
| 02:52.06 | xsdg | ruben: alternately, dvdrtools |
| 02:52.25 | ruben | xsdg: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hdc=onice.iso |
| 02:52.31 | ruben | :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. |
| 02:52.46 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.59 | stoned | thats me |
| 02:53.08 | ameyer | actually, ironically, Linux may have saved MS's rear end back in the day... |
| 02:53.11 | xsdg | ruben: I haven't burned any DVDs before, but as I said, the vast majority of DVDs use UDF and not ISO9660 |
| 02:53.17 | snowbird | you got ideas how to upgrade back end? |
| 02:53.26 | asg | snowbird: liposuction? |
| 02:53.39 | snowbird | steel it of grandma |
| 02:53.40 | stoned | I was going to advise butt-flex |
| 02:53.41 | ameyer | apparently the argument was "we're not a monopoly, people can use Linux if they want to" |
| 02:53.49 | stoned | or the buns of steel video |
| 02:53.57 | stoned | or richard simmons maybe? |
| 02:54.00 | ameyer | don't they do gluteal implants? |
| 02:54.00 | stoned | shake it |
| 02:54.01 | stoned | shake it off |
| 02:54.14 | snowbird | yeah i also need to wipe clean a modem/router and start fresh |
| 02:54.17 | ameyer | depending on what deficiency your backend has... |
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| 02:55.02 | stoned | I saw some kid from San Francisco on Fear Factor who wanted to win the money so he could afford to get butt implants |
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| 02:55.38 | Kjikaqawej | o_O |
| 02:55.43 | stoned | yeh |
| 02:55.52 | stoned | they actually selected him to be on the show |
| 02:55.56 | bjorkBSD | ghey |
| 02:55.59 | stoned | thats is effing whacked |
| 02:56.01 | Kjikaqawej | O_o |
| 02:56.07 | ruben | xsdg: Do I need a special kernel module? |
| 02:56.18 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: kwe kwe |
| 02:56.21 | xsdg | ruben: I don't know; sorry |
| 02:56.23 | Kjikaqawej | hi |
| 02:56.31 | stoned | kwe indeed |
| 02:56.40 | ruben | well, thaks for all xsdg :) |
| 02:56.47 | xsdg | ruben: np; good luck |
| 02:56.54 | stoned | im so sleepy all of a sudden |
| 02:57.08 | bjorkBSD | yay! the other .iso which doesn't have 'net' in it's name is doing the net install :) |
| 02:57.15 | Kjikaqawej | crap, no mode for gtkrc files? meh |
| 02:57.52 | snowbird | stoned what location u from ?rusha? |
| 02:57.53 | bjorkBSD | so what's the latest version of debian called? |
| 02:58.06 | snowbird | lenny or i think |
| 02:58.08 | bjorkBSD | last time i used it it was called potato. or somefink. |
| 02:58.19 | asg | bjorkBSD: it's called etch |
| 02:58.29 | asg | snowbird: stop spewing crap. You've been told before |
| 02:58.32 | bjorkBSD | oh. i thought that was a guide to 'etching' the cd itself!! |
| 02:58.46 | snowbird | i aint spewing nothing |
| 02:58.52 | snowbird | look at banner |
| 02:58.56 | asg | snowbird: 22:57 < snowbird> lenny or i think |
| 02:59.13 | snowbird | lenny is betta |
| 02:59.13 | asg | snowbird: not the latest |
| 02:59.21 | rafaelfeito | where I find information about a package, such as if its a nonfree software? like cinelerra? |
| 02:59.37 | bjorkBSD | rafaelfeito, from the nonfree software's website :) |
| 02:59.38 | asg | rafaelfeito: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 02:59.51 | Kjikaqawej | ok, that's it, emacswiki it is |
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| 03:00.32 | ameyer | define "latest"... |
| 03:00.52 | asg | ameyer: latest is *always* the latest stable version. If you have to ask, that is the answer. |
| 03:00.54 | ameyer | You could say sid is always latest, or etch is the latest stable |
| 03:00.56 | rafaelfeito | but i did't find cinelerra in debian website |
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| 03:01.15 | snowbird | could u say betta is new? |
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| 03:02.36 | E-bola | http://www.pastebin.ca/662799 Can somebody explain why i have to do ifup lo:0 to get that ip activated? |
| 03:02.37 | asg | ameyer: the latter |
| 03:02.48 | bjorkBSD | just do it! |
| 03:02.49 | E-bola | I mean it should be run automatically when what i pasted is in my /etc/networks/interfaces right? |
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| 03:03.07 | ameyer | I'd guess lenny could probably be considered pre-alpha at this stage... |
| 03:03.29 | asg | ameyer: it can't be considered anything, really, until they freeze it. |
| 03:03.54 | ameyer | well, it probably won't be out until at least 2010 anyway... |
| 03:04.24 | asg | ameyer: likely much faster given recent trends. |
| 03:04.29 | bjorkBSD | what did i get myself into? |
| 03:04.36 | ameyer | erm, that's probably a bit of a stretch, but not anytime short-term... |
| 03:04.53 | snowbird | ebola is sickness |
| 03:05.01 | bjorkBSD | maybe i should have gone with gentoo. except it reminds me of netbsd |
| 03:05.06 | asg | E-bola: probably need to change inet static to inet loopback in lo:0 |
| 03:05.25 | asg | snowbird: please stop it. I will not ask again. |
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| 03:06.07 | ameyer | I'd honestly be somewhat surprised to see it some time before early 2009, but I'm not exactly "in the loop" |
| 03:06.33 | ameyer | (read that as "I'm talking out of my rear end") |
| 03:06.34 | bjorkBSD | 2009? so what's the recommended one which plays flash9 today? |
| 03:06.44 | E-bola | asg: ahh |
| 03:06.50 | asg | bjorkBSD: recommended one what? |
| 03:06.52 | ameyer | doesn't etch do it? |
| 03:07.01 | ameyer | with the non-free flash plugin |
| 03:07.20 | bjorkBSD | i don't know. i'm still on the install screen. |
| 03:07.28 | bjorkBSD | recommended release, asg. |
| 03:07.52 | ameyer | if you have to ask, apparently the "recommended release" is etch... |
| 03:08.01 | asg | bjorkBSD: since flash is non-free, as long as the adobe/macromedia binary runs on a recent linux system, I'd stick with stable (etch) |
| 03:08.12 | bjorkBSD | what comes after stable? |
| 03:08.22 | asg | bjorkBSD: testing (lenny) |
| 03:08.46 | bjorkBSD | excellent. |
| 03:08.48 | asg | bjorkBSD: testing is basically like -current in BSDland |
| 03:08.59 | bjorkBSD | aah |
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| 03:09.02 | ameyer | flashplugin-nonfree is 9.0.31 in etch, so etch should do flash9, sort of |
| 03:09.05 | E-bola | asg: that didnt make a difference |
| 03:09.11 | asg | bjorkBSD: unstable (sid) is really bleeding edge and often breaks in wild and fun ways. |
| 03:09.24 | bjorkBSD | so what i want is lenny, for now. |
| 03:09.27 | E-bola | after a reboot and having changed static to loopback, the box still doesnt respond to that ip |
| 03:09.31 | bjorkBSD | but hasn't sid always been unstable? |
| 03:09.39 | asg | E-bola: Hmmm. Dunno then. I've never seen a need to setup a virtual loopback address before. What are you trying to do? |
| 03:09.41 | bjorkBSD | i remember using sid 3 years ago. and it was unstable. |
| 03:09.46 | asg | bjorkBSD: yes and will always be. |
| 03:10.01 | E-bola | asg: Im running a LVS solution to loadbalance tcp/ip requests between 2 machines |
| 03:10.01 | ameyer | asg: actually, apparently not |
| 03:10.20 | E-bola | the ip is a "virtual" so the machines needs to responds to requests on that ip |
| 03:10.20 | ameyer | it used to be something else at one point apparently |
| 03:10.44 | ameyer | somehow related to porting to new architectures |
| 03:10.46 | asg | ameyer: ah that might work. |
| 03:11.30 | asg | E-bola: yes but not on loopback. You'd want to setup the virtual IP (if you don't have two nics) on a real interface (i.e., eth0:0) |
| 03:12.03 | Internat | so i have upsd running and i can connect to it using "upsc powerware@localhost" which returns me the status etc |
| 03:12.14 | Internat | cept i cant work out how to make the machine shutdown when it detects low battery.. |
| 03:12.16 | Internat | suggestions? |
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| 03:13.01 | asg | Internat: the write a wrapper script/daemon that monitors the status and, if the battery is low, runs /sbin/halt or /sbin/poweroff |
| 03:13.09 | E-bola | asg: i thinkt he guide said to do it this way... |
| 03:14.05 | asg | E-bola: If I had more time, I'd like to look at what guide you are using but I'm afraid I have to go. Sorry I couldn't be of further help. |
| 03:14.08 | E-bola | Might be because both my LVS directors and my realservers are on the same machine |
| 03:14.25 | E-bola | asg: no worries at all, your always a great source of help :) |
| 03:14.46 | E-bola | its a minor problem anyway, my virtual cluster works great, i just gotta manualy execute ifup lo:0 after a reboot |
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| 03:16.27 | Intensity | Hi. I'm running etch and I'm trying to get 1680x1050 resolution working on this Lenovo monitor. I put in a ModeLine for "1680x1050", set Option "NoDDC", uncomment the ddc module, and set the HorizSync and VertRefresh high, but unfrotunately /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells me: Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name). Any idea why it's saying that, and how I can actually specify a ModeLine to use? |
| 03:19.16 | gimmal | hmmm, automatic bluetooth device suppt -- debian is highly evolved, y'know? |
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| 03:28.21 | bulio| | I was installing debian via net install |
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| 03:28.34 | bulio| | and it told me to remove the kernel header and said it was dangerous |
| 03:28.36 | bulio| | so I did |
| 03:28.46 | bulio| | now, when I boot grub comes up in a command line |
| 03:29.05 | bulio| | how can I make grub boot debian again? |
| 03:29.31 | kyevan | Anyone want some water? I have plenty. In my basement. Comeing in through walls |
| 03:29.44 | bulio| | anyone? |
| 03:29.57 | Kjikaqawej | needs some filtering first ... :p |
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| 03:31.24 | jeffwheeler | I just want to make sure I'm on the right track: it's okay to put my private key for ssh on several of my personal computers, right? |
| 03:31.29 | Kjikaqawej | so you removed something you were told was dangerous to remove? ... |
| 03:31.53 | bulio| | Kjikaqawej: it wouldnt let me continue installing if I didnt |
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| 03:32.15 | bulio| | it removed the kernel header, and I believe installed a new one |
| 03:32.25 | Kjikaqawej | bulio|: and? |
| 03:32.33 | Kjikaqawej | there's a reason for that... |
| 03:32.56 | bulio| | so what do I do? |
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| 03:33.25 | Kjikaqawej | jeffwheeler: yes it's ok but it's safer having a few around depending on future usage |
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| 03:33.37 | Kjikaqawej | bulio|: so what did you do exactly? |
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| 03:34.07 | bulio| | Kjikaqawej: removed kernel header |
| 03:34.08 | gimmal_ | !dmix |
| 03:34.09 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 03:34.19 | jeffwheeler | Kjikaqawej: okay, sweet, thanks |
| 03:34.31 | enouf | Intensity: "set the HorizSync and VertRefresh high" ?? set it to it's correct settings, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and maybe select 16bit instead of 24/32 .. also is that a laptop? |
| 03:34.38 | Kjikaqawej | bulio|: you did something else for it to not boot at all |
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| 03:35.19 | bulio| | Kjikaqawej: the grub shell comes up now |
| 03:35.19 | enouf | bulio|: you don't need kernel-headers to boot, or use debian |
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| 03:35.31 | cast | greetings. |
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| 03:35.37 | assasukasse | morning all |
| 03:35.54 | enouf | bulio|: did you install grub? if so where? |
| 03:36.02 | shmeeze | Does there exist a page that describes how to remove the debian menu? |
| 03:36.17 | shmeeze | I'd kind of rather just have the normal gnome/<insert gui> menu instead. |
| 03:36.18 | Kjikaqawej | bulio|: the headers don't matter for booting, they're used for compiling |
| 03:36.31 | bulio| | then it must of removed the kernel |
| 03:36.43 | enouf | haha |
| 03:36.45 | Kjikaqawej | you must've told it to... |
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| 03:36.56 | Kjikaqawej | that's what was the dangerous part FYI |
| 03:37.24 | bulio| | but it wouldnt let me install gnome without removing it |
| 03:37.48 | Kjikaqawej | so in order to install gnome you make your system unbootable? not logical |
| 03:37.55 | enouf | how could anytihng be there already during an fresh install? |
| 03:38.59 | bulio| | I'm using a net install |
| 03:39.05 | bulio| | from sarge era I believe |
| 03:39.30 | enouf | bulio|: go get etch netinstall |
| 03:39.40 | bulio| | will that fix it? |
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| 03:40.15 | enouf | welp, installing etch will ;-) but it also has GUI mode menus and rescue modes |
| 03:40.36 | gimmal_ | anyone know of something that can help to make sense of the output from lshal ? |
| 03:40.46 | enouf | bulio|: iow, the etch installer has been completely reworked |
| 03:40.54 | enouf | !dbse |
| 03:40.54 | dpkg | well, dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 03:41.32 | enouf | gimmal_: pipe to less or use udevinfo udevtest ;-) |
| 03:42.00 | enouf | oh, and/or grep, e.g; lshal | grep block.device |
| 03:43.23 | enouf | lshal | grep info.linux.driver (another ex) .. use | less, then /, then <keyword>, then enter |
| 03:43.44 | gimmal_ | enouf: danke. lshal seems to be outputting values that I don't understand the meaning of, maybe it's described somewhere at freedesktop.org, by the look of some of the key names in the output, hehe |
| 03:44.04 | cast | enouf: heh, was sitting here thinking 'wtf does is L sha1' |
| 03:44.04 | enouf | gimmal_: tell me which device you wish to know about |
| 03:44.20 | enouf | cast: ghah |
| 03:44.24 | enouf | er -g |
| 03:44.32 | gimmal_ | ok, like wtf: udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer' -- there is no /org directory on the filesystem, to be sure, hehe |
| 03:45.03 | enouf | gimmal_: ignore that crap, check it, do udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 |
| 03:45.43 | gimmal_ | KERNEL=="eth0" woooooooooo boy |
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| 03:46.20 | gimmal_ | damn straight, the information in that output has 0 mass, though -- ATTR{weight}=="0" hehe |
| 03:46.30 | enouf | gimmal_: something's wrong |
| 03:46.51 | gimmal_ | enouf: I find that thought agreeable, hehehe |
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| 03:47.17 | enouf | gimmal_: try eth1, eth2 etc |
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| 03:47.27 | gimmal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.03 | gimmal_ | yes, eth1, for some reason |
| 03:48.19 | gimmal_ | there is no eth0 on the system, either, even more perplexing |
| 03:48.25 | gimmal_ | crayzzeeee boot, or some shytte |
| 03:48.29 | deadcat | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host, nothing i can do right? |
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| 03:48.33 | enouf | gimmal_: how about udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/hdc/hdc1 |
| 03:48.35 | coil | has anyone had any luck with the highpoint sata raid drivers? |
| 03:48.41 | enouf | gimmal_: for ex, alter accordingly |
| 03:48.46 | Tommy | Hi, im using elive linux, based on debian etch. About 1 in ever 5 boots i get the message "Begin: waiting for root file system" then the install stops and i have to ctrl+alt+del and try again. Whats happening here? and how can i fix it? |
| 03:48.58 | deadcat | Tommy: try #elive this is debian |
| 03:49.21 | gimmal_ | enouf: nada, it's a sata/scsi setup, here, I guess |
| 03:49.32 | Tommy | deadcat: no one can help in #elive, so i figured its based on debian so...... |
| 03:49.36 | enouf | gah, they there too |
| 03:49.38 | gimmal_ | much different output for /sys/block/sda/sda1 |
| 03:49.44 | enouf | er they're there too |
| 03:49.53 | enouf | duh |
| 03:50.03 | deadcat | Tommy: they probably did something to it. so its not really debian no more.. have you tried the debian live cd? |
| 03:50.04 | gimmal_ | bye, ghost! |
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| 03:50.37 | Tommy | deadcat: debian etch ran just fine on this computer, had it installed a while back. |
| 03:50.52 | enouf | there's also info in /sys/class/scsi????/* (?) for scsi devices, though not sure how udevinfo parses that |
| 03:51.39 | bjorkBSD | i didn't realize the desktop install was gonna install a whole frigging household with stepford wife and 2.5 kids from lakewoebegone :| |
| 03:51.42 | gimmal | enouf: I appreciate the tips, though I don't know what to make of it; will take a look at lsscsi, HAL seems to be comprised with a semantics strange to my person |
| 03:52.01 | Tommy | deadcat: after googling my problem i realised people using debain had the same issue. |
| 03:52.03 | enouf | indeed |
| 03:52.17 | Tommy | but i found no answer |
| 03:52.23 | Kjikaqawej | !debain |
| 03:52.23 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 03:52.26 | gimmal | now, megahal, I can grok, hehehehehehe muhahahahaha |
| 03:52.30 | enouf | gimmal: scsi stuffs http://sg.torque.net/sg/tools.html |
| 03:52.42 | gimmal | enouf: cool, thank you |
| 03:53.22 | enouf | Tommy: install stops? or booting stops? |
| 03:53.27 | bjorkBSD | you guys should thank me. |
| 03:53.33 | gimmal | the dirty dozen, if they had laptops, would sure as hell have used debian |
| 03:53.43 | Tommy | enouf: the boot stops, i have it installed |
| 03:53.47 | bjorkBSD | i was just about to ask a question i could have RTFM'ed. and i've chosen to rtfm. |
| 03:54.00 | enouf | Intensity: if it's a laptop, /msg dpkg laptop |
| 03:54.02 | gimmal | ....so i'd like to think |
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| 03:54.21 | enouf | bjorkBSD: lovin tasksel eh? |
| 03:54.24 | cast | bjorkBSD: yeah, i normally select nothing in tasksel in the install. |
| 03:54.35 | bjorkBSD | thanks for the info. |
| 03:54.43 | enouf | rtfm :-P |
| 03:54.51 | bjorkBSD | i shall gain extensive experience uninstalling crap from this box. |
| 03:54.54 | cast | i thought the desktop environment was good for people who were complete newbies though, it was quite a complete environment :) |
| 03:55.08 | cast | bjorkBSD: don't forget to use aptitude :) |
| 03:55.25 | enouf | tasksel --list-tasks -- you can remove that way too, iirc |
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| 03:56.16 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages file-server (for ex) .. again, there's a remove feature, iirc, man tasksel |
| 03:56.33 | enouf | cast: heh |
| 03:57.01 | enouf | cast: when's the "new apt" due? any word? |
| 03:57.11 | cast | nfi. |
| 03:57.12 | jeffwheeler | So, say I want to backup various machines onto one Debian server, which has an external usb drive connected; where would be the best place to mount that usb drive (on the filesystem, I mean), and would I then just organize it by remote hostnames as folders for the backups? |
| 03:57.30 | cast | what does the new apt have? new features? |
| 03:57.52 | cast | jeffwheeler: your choice. entirely. |
| 03:57.54 | enouf | cast: it has aptitude-ness, so i hear, but wtf do i know |
| 03:57.59 | ameyer | it doesn't get broken when a package install fails? |
| 03:57.59 | bjorkBSD | way cool |
| 03:58.06 | bjorkBSD | debian's installed *with* X |
| 03:58.09 | bjorkBSD | damn! |
| 03:58.18 | bjorkBSD | if debian had a cock, i'd stroke it. |
| 03:58.21 | bjorkBSD | and i'm not gay. |
| 03:58.22 | jeffwheeler | cast: so, um, just something like /backups/? Is there really no standard? |
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| 03:58.46 | Kjikaqawej | jeffwheeler: /var/backups |
| 03:58.59 | jeffwheeler | Kjikaqawej: that sounds good -- thanks |
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| 03:59.48 | cast | i mount usb drives in /media/usb* as per debian, so i'd go with that. but i don't think it makes any difference |
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| 04:00.28 | enouf | yeah.. /media is supposed;ly meant for removable, and but desktop oriented i guess though |
| 04:00.35 | jeffwheeler | cast: I do that on my desktop with usb drives in GNOME, but it seems awkward for this |
| 04:00.56 | enouf | i personally mount everything in /mnt |
| 04:01.11 | enouf | just cause, it so easy to remember :-) |
| 04:01.45 | cast | backups traditionally go to tape so mount points were not applicable, i suppose |
| 04:02.00 | Tommy | how do you pronounce "debian" , i say it dee-bee-an. Is that right? |
| 04:02.10 | enouf | welcome to the 90s ..lol |
| 04:02.16 | jeffwheeler | I say it deb-ee-an |
| 04:02.34 | enouf | day or dey bee n |
| 04:02.36 | jeffwheeler | or, I suppose deh-bee-an |
| 04:03.04 | cast | deb ian is how i say it |
| 04:03.05 | vulture | Tommy: Named after "Deb" and "Ian", so it should be something like that.. |
| 04:03.35 | enouf | yeah , kinda like Lee Nucks |
| 04:04.07 | Tommy | deb-ian, i thin deebeeann rolls of the tounge better |
| 04:04.11 | Tommy | think* |
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| 04:04.52 | cast | small point, everyones just going to say "oh you mean linux?", even if you don't use linux :( |
| 04:05.35 | jeffwheeler | vulture: never thought about that; what's the Deb part from? |
| 04:06.15 | cast | his gf, debbie |
| 04:06.16 | enouf | debra or deborah |
| 04:06.24 | enouf | or that |
| 04:06.26 | Tommy | how do you pronounce "linux", ive always said lyn-ahx. but ive heard people say lie-nux |
| 04:07.11 | enouf | does anyone have any lshal issues maybe? :-P |
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| 04:07.44 | cast | Tommy: lynahx is how you'd pronounce it in english, but linus isn't english..hence the lienux...personally i think both are fine and switch between them in conversation so when someone says "its pronounced (lienux||lynahx)" i can say "oh thats what i said, |
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| 04:08.45 | Tommy | cast: thats what i'd do :) |
| 04:10.34 | bjorkBSD | so. where's flash? |
| 04:11.25 | Tommy | bye |
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| 04:14.23 | bjorkBSD | bah. what's going on. no flash9 for debian? |
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| 04:18.35 | streuner_ | !tell bjorkBSD about search |
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| 04:22.17 | timtheli1n | reading from the debian site: 25:The main things you'll want to back up are the contents of /etc, /var/lib/dpkg, /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates and the output of dpkg --get-selections 26:"*" (the quotes are important). |
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| 04:22.27 | punto | hi.. is there a way to see the output from an installation script run by dpkg? I'm getting "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" but I can't see what the error is |
| 04:23.02 | timtheli1n | um, is there some prebuild cli util that I can just kinda type in the path of a directory and it'll do that backup for me? |
| 04:23.53 | liable | punto: bash -x blah.postinst |
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| 04:24.56 | bjorkiMac | woohoo! |
| 04:24.59 | bjorkiMac | ^5 |
| 04:25.03 | bjorkBSD | ^5 |
| 04:25.21 | punto | liable: says 'no such file or directory' |
| 04:25.33 | punto | I only have the .deb that apt-get downloaded |
| 04:25.48 | liable | punto: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 04:25.51 | bjorkBSD | hmm. what do i need to do to get flash9? |
| 04:26.01 | bjorkBSD | change etch to lenny? |
| 04:26.08 | bjorkBSD | ... in my sources? |
| 04:26.30 | Gnu_Raiz | !flash |
| 04:26.31 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:27.04 | Gnu_Raiz | just download the nonfree flash, from packages. |
| 04:27.37 | Gnu_Raiz | or from adobe, and follow the directions. |
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| 04:29.13 | bjorkiMac | i have to change this line to read lenny and testing right? deb http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/debian/ etch main |
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| 04:30.55 | Gnu_Raiz | !source.list |
| 04:31.27 | Gnu_Raiz | you need to change the etch, to lenny, or testing or sid. |
| 04:31.33 | punto | liable: got it, thanks |
| 04:31.54 | ameyer | how stable is testing right now? |
| 04:32.10 | Gnu_Raiz | then apt-get update to get the new files, but it might want to change some files if your on etch. |
| 04:32.34 | Gnu_Raiz | what exactly do you want to install. |
| 04:32.39 | ameyer | where "stable" = "less upgrades" |
| 04:32.59 | Gnu_Raiz | it might be easier, to just get the packages .deb or use backports. |
| 04:33.06 | Gnu_Raiz | !backports |
| 04:33.06 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 04:33.34 | jetscreamer | !etch->lenny |
| 04:33.34 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 04:34.01 | frankr | http://xkcd.com/293/ |
| 04:34.39 | JesseT77 | Life is too short for man pages, but occasionally much too short without them. |
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| 04:35.31 | JesseT77 | That's what I get for neglecting to compile out the "flip out and kill user" switch :) |
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| 04:36.08 | Selenolycus | Can someone help me out? I am trying to compile Amarok 1.4.7 from the svn, but upon issuing make -f Makefile.cvs , I get this error: |
| 04:36.14 | Selenolycus | http://pastebin.org/805 |
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| 04:38.13 | ricky | Selenolycus: Perhaps start with ./autogen.sh or something like that? |
| 04:39.01 | Selenolycus | ./autogen.sh ?? |
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| 04:39.13 | Gnu_Raiz | does it to be cvs surely someone has packaged a version of it. |
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| 04:40.22 | ricky | Selenolycus: er, never mind- don't you need unsermake for Amarok? |
| 04:40.23 | jetscreamer | him say 'does it have to be' |
| 04:40.48 | Selenolycus | unsermake? |
| 04:41.12 | Selenolycus | hmm, well, I installed it... |
| 04:41.13 | Selenolycus | made no dif. |
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| 04:42.54 | ricky | Gah, OK- I'm not used to building Amarok manually :( |
| 04:43.21 | ricky | I'm lazy, so I usually use the script: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Amarok-svn |
| 04:43.24 | jetscreamer | user |
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| 04:44.23 | Selenolycus | ricky: thanks, I'll try that... |
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| 04:44.35 | ricky | Good luck- it's always been 100% pain free for me :) |
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| 04:45.54 | Selenolycus | Needs kdialog v_v |
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| 04:46.35 | Gnu_Raiz | so why do need the latest greatest version, |
| 04:46.48 | Selenolycus | I want to try it out, supposed to be spiffy. |
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| 04:46.57 | Edgardoweb | newaza |
| 04:47.02 | Gnu_Raiz | http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Debian |
| 04:47.27 | Gnu_Raiz | only has .6 |
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| 04:47.47 | Gnu_Raiz | but might be close enough, also ubuntu has .debs if you dare. |
| 04:48.14 | ricky | Yech! |
| 04:48.42 | drmitch | how do i switch between connected servers in irssi? |
| 04:48.45 | Gnu_Raiz | might not be that big of deal if your daring. |
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| 04:49.01 | Edgardoweb | apt: hi |
| 04:49.01 | apt | hello, edgardoweb |
| 04:49.09 | xsdg | drmitch: ^X |
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| 04:49.28 | xsdg | drmitch: (in the info window, or other non-channel window) |
| 04:49.31 | Selenolycus | ricky: Any idea about kdialog? |
| 04:49.41 | mmlj4 | i can't get clamav to actually detect virus payloads. I've got virus scanning enabled in /etc/amavis/conf.d/15-content_filter_mode, and manually scanning a file does work |
| 04:49.48 | mmlj4 | anything else I need to turn on? |
| 04:49.57 | litage | i hooked up my ipod to my etch box, and it's charging. however, there's no mention of my ipod in dmesg, /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages . what do i have to do to get the ipod recognised? |
| 04:50.00 | drmitch | but then ^N cycles through all the windows. i wanna do ^X to cycle through servers, then ^N cycles through channels JUST in that server |
| 04:50.30 | xsdg | drmitch: oh; not sure |
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| 04:52.27 | Gnu_Raiz | or check your last dmesg entry |
| 04:52.52 | Gnu_Raiz | use /cat/proc/partitions see if something like sda is on the list. |
| 04:53.19 | xsdg | litage: have you used firewire before? |
| 04:53.25 | litage | xsdg: nope |
| 04:53.58 | xsdg | litage: maybe modprobe -l '*1394*' |
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| 04:55.58 | Edgardoweb | apt: how are you? |
| 04:55.58 | apt | just great, Edgardoweb |
| 04:56.06 | litage | xsdg: ohci1394 and ieee1394 are already loaded.. |
| 04:56.15 | Edgardoweb | lol apt |
| 04:56.30 | litage | xsdg: would i also need raw1394? |
| 04:56.33 | xsdg | litage: hmm |
| 04:56.38 | xsdg | litage: I don't think so |
| 04:56.55 | xsdg | litage: at this point, I'd suggest google (I've never done it myself) |
| 04:57.02 | litage | xsdg: is sd_mod required? |
| 04:57.07 | xsdg | litage: iPod might want some sort of special handshake or something |
| 04:57.19 | litage | xsdg: yeah, i'm searching google right now, but surprisingly not having that much luck |
| 04:57.29 | xsdg | litage: yes, but if ieee1394 isn't picking it up, it probably won't get to the sd_mod stage yet |
| 04:57.37 | xsdg | litage: hmm... |
| 04:57.58 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, I'm trying to use `fdisk` on this machine and it seems to be a different package than on this machine -- the most important difference being that this machine is Intel, and that PPC |
| 04:58.04 | bjorkiMac | trying to install flashplugin |
| 04:58.11 | bjorkiMac | and i don't mind using the bleeding edge. |
| 04:58.17 | jeffwheeler | In fdisk, there's no "n" option, and I seem to be having trouble doing various things. |
| 04:58.21 | jeffwheeler | (on the ppc machine) |
| 04:58.22 | xsdg | jeffwheeler: they use different on-disk partition formats |
| 04:59.01 | xsdg | jeffwheeler: (although I have no idea what Intel Mac uses) |
| 04:59.08 | Selenolycus | It's not finding kdliag in my $PATH |
| 04:59.09 | Selenolycus | :-( |
| 04:59.25 | jeffwheeler | xsdg: The Intel machine is an old Dell; the other is a PPC Mac Mini. |
| 04:59.39 | xsdg | jeffwheeler: yeah, so they use different on-disk partition formats |
| 04:59.41 | bjorkiMac | jeffwheeler, do you have flash working on your minitoy? |
| 04:59.54 | jeffwheeler | bjorkiMac: why would I want Flash?> |
| 04:59.57 | jeffwheeler | * ? |
| 04:59.57 | xsdg | jeffwheeler: thus, they have different partition tools (though I'm not particularly sure why they're called the same thing) |
| 05:00.07 | jeffwheeler | xsdg: hmm, that makes sense |
| 05:00.08 | bjorkiMac | to watch all the fwd:'s of course. |
| 05:00.21 | jeffwheeler | bjorkiMac: that's what my Mac is for |
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| 05:00.40 | Selenolycus | o_o |
| 05:00.48 | jeffwheeler | (the MBP, not the Mini) |
| 05:01.07 | nath0099 | hi what is the shell command to setup network |
| 05:01.10 | bjorkiMac | mac se/II? |
| 05:01.19 | jeffwheeler | bjorkiMac: what? |
| 05:01.37 | xsdg | nath0099: ifup <interface> |
| 05:02.25 | Gnu_Raiz | define interface, wireless, wired. |
| 05:02.55 | Gnu_Raiz | in order for ifup to work you need to have /etc/network/interfaces setup. |
| 05:03.23 | bjorkiMac | what's the contrib line about? |
| 05:03.24 | nath0099 | ok here is my prob one network came up on boot the other two didnt |
| 05:03.25 | bjorkiMac | it's not clear. |
| 05:03.46 | nath0099 | i have 3 net cards |
| 05:03.55 | bjorkiMac | on the same machine? |
| 05:04.01 | nath0099 | yes |
| 05:04.09 | Selenolycus | Grrr... it still is complaining that autoconf is not found. |
| 05:04.26 | Gnu_Raiz | you will need to setup the other two in interfaces. |
| 05:04.41 | bjorkiMac | why? |
| 05:05.17 | Gnu_Raiz | so they will work. |
| 05:05.28 | Gnu_Raiz | I guess you want all three cards to work. |
| 05:05.33 | nath0099 | yes |
| 05:05.41 | bjorkiMac | but ... why, nath0099? |
| 05:05.56 | Gnu_Raiz | !network interfaces |
| 05:05.57 | nath0099 | one is local the other two are static |
| 05:06.44 | Gnu_Raiz | do man interfaces for a good overview |
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| 05:07.22 | nath0099 | i know centos had a thing like system-network blah blah wondered if deb had something similar |
| 05:09.04 | jeffwheeler | xsdg: figured out my main problem with the fdisk; thanks |
| 05:09.13 | Gnu_Raiz | you have to have the cards setup, inorder to call such programs. |
| 05:09.33 | Gnu_Raiz | for example ifup, ifdown call init.d/ |
| 05:09.47 | Gnu_Raiz | networking |
| 05:10.10 | Gnu_Raiz | those depend on a valid interfaces file. |
| 05:10.16 | xsdg | jeffwheeler: cool |
| 05:10.36 | Gnu_Raiz | you could do everything with ifconfig if you wanted. |
| 05:10.37 | nath0099 | ok so how would i find out if they are there |
| 05:10.51 | bjorkiMac | dmesg, nath0099 |
| 05:11.03 | Gnu_Raiz | ifconfig |
| 05:11.07 | bjorkiMac | as well. |
| 05:11.11 | Gnu_Raiz | !ifconfig |
| 05:11.11 | dpkg | it has been said that ifconfig is the tool you use in Debian to setup how your machine decides how to process "if" conditional statements. if you type `ifconfig all-true` everything will be true. someone also told me it has to viewing and configuring your networking interfaces... |
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| 05:11.39 | Kjikaqawej | what in the fucking hell? |
| 05:11.48 | Kjikaqawej | !factinfo ifconfig |
| 05:11.48 | dpkg | ifconfig -- created by zbowling <~Administr@adsl-68-95-129-16.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net> at Fri Nov 5 01:55:02 2004 (1017 days); it has been requested 42 times, last by Gnu_Raiz, 37s ago. |
| 05:13.10 | Gnu_Raiz | wow 42 times in three years. |
| 05:13.32 | karsten | Gnu_Raiz: LTU&E |
| 05:13.33 | Kjikaqawej | !no ifconfig is <reply>ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. see also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces> |
| 05:13.34 | dpkg | okay, Kjikaqawej |
| 05:13.48 | streuner_ | !factinfo interfaces |
| 05:13.48 | dpkg | interfaces -- last modified at Wed Jul 12 20:11:59 2006 by stew!n=stew@mudskipper.vireo.org; it has been requested 215 times, last by petemc, 1d 11h 14m 29s ago. |
| 05:14.21 | streuner_ | interfaces is the thingy what you use instead of ifconfig in Debian... |
| 05:14.29 | Kjikaqawej | !ifconfig is also <interfaces> |
| 05:14.29 | dpkg | okay, Kjikaqawej |
| 05:14.39 | Kjikaqawej | !ifconfig |
| 05:14.39 | dpkg | ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. see also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces>, or <interfaces> |
| 05:15.28 | Gnu_Raiz | guess you need to read the man page for ifconfig as you can setup a network with the command. |
| 05:15.49 | streuner_ | not at all |
| 05:16.07 | karsten | Gnu_Raiz: It doesn't hurt. There's also the Linux Network Administration Guide and several subsequent publications. |
| 05:16.10 | Gnu_Raiz | now if you want it to be up the next time you need to setup interfaces. |
| 05:16.12 | streuner_ | read factoid <interfaces> |
| 05:17.10 | nath0099 | ok i see them now with ifconfig |
| 05:17.42 | jetscreamer | nono... there is no networking |
| 05:17.47 | Gnu_Raiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.47 | Gnu_Raiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.50 | jetscreamer | doesn't work |
| 05:17.54 | Gnu_Raiz | taken from the man page |
| 05:18.19 | jetscreamer | there are no manpages |
| 05:18.33 | Kjikaqawej | there's only woman pages |
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| 05:19.11 | Gnu_Raiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.11 | Gnu_Raiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.40 | Gnu_Raiz | check the notes section to ifup or ifdown man page. |
| 05:20.17 | bjorkiMac | it sub-contracts :) |
| 05:20.27 | bjorkiMac | off-shore to be precise. |
| 05:20.30 | bjorkiMac | kill the bastard! |
| 05:21.26 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
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| 05:22.22 | Gnu_Raiz | you just need to sweet talk the woman, type info woman, and enjoy. |
| 05:22.27 | Gnu_Raiz | !woman |
| 05:22.27 | dpkg | somebody said woman was a great package but it doesnt come with Howto-seven with documentation |
| 05:22.53 | Gnu_Raiz | just a short recap woman likes emacs. |
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| 05:24.07 | jeffwheeler | If by that you mean vi, yes. |
| 05:24.27 | Internat | for some reason i seem to be missing some files from a few packages. is there a way to get these files put back without changing the existing files? |
| 05:24.52 | Gnu_Raiz | yes just use aptitude and reinstall the packages. |
| 05:25.08 | Gnu_Raiz | !reinstall |
| 05:25.08 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 05:25.11 | Kjikaqawej | you forgot to removed the fil eating fairy, didn't you |
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| 05:25.20 | Kjikaqawej | remove*, file* |
| 05:26.05 | jeffwheeler | that seems awfully complex -- what is that actually doing? |
| 05:26.30 | bjorkiMac | apart from installing gnome-hell by default, the business.iso is rather well behaved :) |
| 05:26.38 | bjorkiMac | i'll chastice the *bsd'ers accordingly. |
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| 05:26.51 | Gnu_Raiz | just use aptitude and mark it for reinstall. |
| 05:27.10 | jeffwheeler | I was thinking the other day ... wouldn't it have been cool if filenames were reversed, so that the extension was at the beginning? |
| 05:27.18 | bjorkiMac | aptitude? the ugliest sumbich EVER! |
| 05:27.20 | bjorkiMac | no thanks. |
| 05:27.24 | Kjikaqawej | bjorkiMac: do you have a reason for being here other than checking out debian's installer for some article or something? |
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| 05:27.38 | Gnu_Raiz | ok use synaptic, |
| 05:27.39 | bjorkiMac | for my own entertainment :) |
| 05:27.46 | bjorkiMac | i just installed it on an imac. |
| 05:27.57 | Kjikaqawej | bjorkiMac: ok, you pass the test then |
| 05:27.59 | Internat | see if u mean just use aptitude reinstall <package> that doesnt seem to be working |
| 05:28.27 | Internat | apt-file tells me that there is a courier-imap file for logcheck that should be in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/courier-imap but the file isnt there, and reinstalling didnt put it there |
| 05:28.31 | bjorkiMac | i've used aptitude before. it's nothing like bsd's installer. |
| 05:28.39 | Kjikaqawej | see if that turns out to be false, i get to LART you ;) |
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| 05:28.44 | Gnu_Raiz | extensions are mostly for windows users who have problems with how nix handles files. |
| 05:28.54 | Kjikaqawej | !extension |
| 05:28.57 | Kjikaqawej | !extensions |
| 05:29.09 | Kjikaqawej | bah, where's that factoid |
| 05:29.32 | Gnu_Raiz | use aptitude then in ncures mark your package for reinstall. |
| 05:29.48 | Gnu_Raiz | should work both ways. |
| 05:29.50 | neosmatrix | hi anyone knows what command i must write to get a packet list which i can easy reinstall ? |
| 05:29.52 | Internat | didnt i just say i did do reinstall? |
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| 05:31.36 | Gnu_Raiz | did it give you error messages. |
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| 05:32.05 | Internat | none what so ever |
| 05:32.14 | Internat | said it stoped preconfigured packages etf |
| 05:34.06 | Gnu_Raiz | try apt-get -f install |
| 05:34.26 | karsten | !tell Gnu_Raiz about aptitude |
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| 05:34.55 | karsten | Gnu_Raiz: In general, refer to aptitude, not apt-get, as it's the officially recommended cli/interactive front-end. |
| 05:35.00 | neosmatrix | !installed |
| 05:35.02 | Kjikaqawej | apt-get --reinstall install foo bar baz |
| 05:35.12 | Internat | tried that too |
| 05:35.13 | Kjikaqawej | heh |
| 05:35.21 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: You too, get with the program! |
| 05:35.22 | karsten | Feh. |
| 05:35.33 | Gnu_Raiz | tell me something I don't know |
| 05:35.41 | Kjikaqawej | i typed that and hit return after i saw it, oops ;) |
| 05:36.02 | karsten | Gnu_Raiz: I beat the dog. |
| 05:36.07 | karsten | Gnu_Raiz: ... and the one-legged man. |
| 05:36.28 | Gnu_Raiz | karsten: oK michael vick. |
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| 05:36.32 | Kjikaqawej | karsten: how many people participated? |
| 05:36.43 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: About 100 all told. |
| 05:36.48 | Kjikaqawej | wow, nice |
| 05:36.51 | jeffwheeler | So, would most everybody agree that rsync through ssh is the best way to do backups locally? Or is there something I don't know about. |
| 05:36.54 | jeffwheeler | * ? |
| 05:37.13 | Gnu_Raiz | how big is the backup |
| 05:37.20 | Gnu_Raiz | full system |
| 05:37.22 | bjorkiMac | isn't there a way of running a dual head system on two different boxes? |
| 05:37.22 | karsten | jeffwheeler: It's a pretty good choice, and probably what I'd do. |
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| 05:37.42 | jeffwheeler | Full system, ~100gigs every week or so, then another 5 to 10 on another machine. |
| 05:37.59 | Gnu_Raiz | probably a good choice. |
| 05:38.02 | frankr | http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 05:38.05 | jeffwheeler | Alright, sweet. |
| 05:38.18 | jeffwheeler | frankr: have the shirt |
| 05:38.19 | karsten | jeffwheeler: Details affecting choice: how many files, how much data, how much changes between backups, what's your network characteristics (speed, congestion), how many clients/servers, personal or workplace environment. |
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| 05:39.49 | jeffwheeler | Files? Standard machine with 100 gigs or so, very little changes, fine speed with mostly only me, one sever with two clients, one 100gig, one 5 to 10 gigs, personal. |
| 05:40.29 | karsten | jeffwheeler: Just asking on the oddball chance you're looking at 1000s of servers in an enterprise situation with millions if files being generated/deleted daily. |
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| 05:40.42 | karsten | jeffwheeler: rsync can be a bit pessimal in a situation like that. |
| 05:40.43 | jeffwheeler | karsten: ah, nope :) |
| 05:41.07 | Kjikaqawej | karsten: pessimal? |
| 05:41.18 | karsten | Kjikaqawej: pessimal == ~optimal |
| 05:41.22 | karsten | erm, !optimal. |
| 05:41.39 | Kjikaqawej | sub-optimal/non optimal |
| 05:41.41 | liable | suboptimal |
| 05:41.44 | Kjikaqawej | thanks |
| 05:42.06 | karsten | liable: More specifically, anti-optimal. Worst case. |
| 05:42.07 | Gnu_Raiz | guess its word of the day |
| 05:42.09 | karsten | !pessimal |
| 05:42.09 | dpkg | pessimal is probably !optimal. The opposite of optimal. Worst-case scenario. Red Hat. Vista. |
| 05:42.21 | Kjikaqawej | hehe |
| 05:42.35 | liable | just because you mad a factoid doesn't make it word! :P |
| 05:42.37 | jeffwheeler | !redhat |
| 05:42.46 | karsten | Results 1 - 10 of about 82,300 for pessimal. (0.10 seconds) |
| 05:42.47 | Gnu_Raiz | what redhat is optimal, vista pessimal. |
| 05:42.50 | Kjikaqawej | !dict pessimal |
| 05:42.53 | dpkg | Dictionary 'pessimal' (3 of 4): of an organism's environment; least favorable for survival ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "pessimal" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" pessimal ;; [Jargon File]. |
| 05:42.55 | Gnu_Raiz | bad dpkg bot. |
| 05:42.59 | karsten | liable: Google search. |
| 05:43.12 | karsten | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pessimal |
| 05:43.17 | Kjikaqawej | ^^^ |
| 05:44.09 | karsten | liable: It's somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but has seen usage for quite a while, and yes, it general means utterly maladaptive. |
| 05:44.47 | liable | karsten: i believe you. |
| 05:44.57 | karsten | liable: God help you. |
| 05:45.28 | liable | I dont think even he can |
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| 05:51.27 | robboplus | is it possible to display process name with pgrep? it shows pid only by default |
| 05:51.27 | jetscreamer | i don't |
| 05:51.40 | karsten | robboplus: Feh. Use ps. |
| 05:51.57 | robboplus | hello karsten |
| 05:52.03 | Internat | has anyone here noticed that the debian packages for courier contain logcheck files that are incorrect? ie they dont match the output? |
| 05:52.12 | robboplus | so you don't recommend pgrep? why is that? |
| 05:52.47 | karsten | robboplus: I prefer simple standard tools, in general. ps piped through grep. |
| 05:52.58 | karsten | robboplus: ... or awk, or whatever. |
| 05:53.12 | robboplus | karsten i read you but i do type ps aux| grep process very often |
| 05:53.26 | robboplus | so pgrep is pretty useful to me as that's exactly same stuff, isn't it :) |
| 05:53.26 | karsten | robboplus: And pgrep's spec is to output the PID. |
| 05:53.53 | robboplus | hm indeed.. |
| 05:54.07 | karsten | robboplus: pgrep -l may give you what you want, howerver. |
| 05:54.15 | karsten | robboplus: man pgrep |
| 05:54.26 | robboplus | oh it did karsten, many thanks! |
| 05:54.36 | robboplus | i just need a VERY simple output... pid and name |
| 05:54.47 | robboplus | for this particular task i'm working on |
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| 06:04.07 | bjorkBSD | i hage apt-get. |
| 06:04.11 | anirban | Hi |
| 06:04.12 | bjorkBSD | isn't there something else? |
| 06:04.24 | bjorkBSD | (besides in-aptitude)? |
| 06:04.25 | anirban | I am having problem to install nvidia driver |
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| 06:04.59 | piosalan | hey all! is there aything out there in between fluxbox and xfce for minimalism and ease of use? |
| 06:05.02 | anirban | I can not apt-get nvidia-kernel-2.6.21-2-amd64 |
| 06:05.44 | karsten | piosalan: icewm, maybe. I'd say xfce's pretty darned good. I like WindowMaker as well. |
| 06:05.54 | anirban | giving error no candidate for installation |
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| 06:08.11 | piosalan | karsten: isn't window maker's configs all text too? |
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| 06:09.05 | karsten | piosalan: There's a GUI tool called WPrefs. The file format is very LISPy, though, and can be hand-tweaked if desired. |
| 06:09.14 | karsten | piosalan: ... or managed under version control. |
| 06:09.51 | Palish | Hiya! Is there a standard command for finding out what my CPU type/speed is, and how much RAM I have? |
| 06:10.08 | karsten | Palish: /proc/cpuinfo, dmidecode, lshw |
| 06:10.09 | piosalan | karsten: cool beans gonna google that now thanks! |
| 06:10.34 | karsten | piosalan: http://www.windowmaker.info |
| 06:11.21 | karsten | piosalan: The project's somewhat languished (core dev now works for MySQL IIRC). But it's based on a solid concept and code base. |
| 06:12.26 | timtheli1n | wow, rsync sucks. |
| 06:12.41 | karsten | timtheli1n: Howso? |
| 06:12.49 | timtheli1n | in that it is slow |
| 06:12.53 | Palish | karsten: thank you |
| 06:13.01 | karsten | timtheli1n: First time through, you're better off running tar, as it's got to generate local and remote file lists. |
| 06:13.36 | timtheli1n | oh, this is just a first time delay? |
| 06:13.43 | karsten | timtheli1n: Subsequent runs should be really damned fast. Mind that if you've got immense file counts, you're going to introduce a lot of overhead (files have to be individually scanned). |
| 06:13.47 | karsten | timtheli1n: Re-run the sync. |
| 06:13.53 | timtheli1n | I was thinking, what the heck, scp is way faster than this |
| 06:14.04 | karsten | timtheli1n: Should take a minute or so, most of which is going to be generating file lists. |
| 06:16.29 | timtheli1n | hmm, it failed I guess that would explain why it was slow, |
| 06:16.43 | karsten | timtheli1n: How'd it fail? |
| 06:17.02 | timtheli1n | read-only filesystem, |
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| 06:17.11 | timtheli1n | seems to have copied some of the files but not all |
| 06:17.12 | karsten | timtheli1n: Aye, there's the rub. |
| 06:17.57 | timtheli1n | what? |
| 06:18.11 | karsten | timtheli1n: Something's rotten in Denmark. |
| 06:18.22 | karsten | timtheli1n: ... and it's awefully hard to modify a read-only filesystem. |
| 06:18.48 | timtheli1n | it can't be read only, as it did manage to copy a fair number of the files, just not all ;) |
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| 06:19.05 | karsten | timtheli1n: Multiple filesystems? |
| 06:19.29 | timtheli1n | I doubt it, as it's all on one partition, I'm investigating now. |
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| 06:20.20 | karsten | And WRT "there's the rub": http://tinyurl.com/22xhlc |
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| 06:22.24 | timtheli1n | I guess it is read only, I wonder why |
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| 06:22.49 | timtheli1n | aha! |
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| 06:22.59 | timtheli1n | a proccess has grabbed it, |
| 06:23.07 | karsten | timtheli1n: /proc/mounts should give you status. dmesg may tell you why. If it's root, the errors=remount,ro option is usually to blame, and indicates disk errors. |
| 06:23.19 | timtheli1n | how do I get a listing of processes causing a device to be buisy? |
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| 06:23.58 | karsten | timtheli1n: fuser -vm /<mountpoint> |
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| 06:27.48 | timtheli1n | karsten: http://rafb.net/p/jWgNlu77.html |
| 06:27.53 | timtheli1n | what could cause that? |
| 06:28.10 | timtheli1n | sorry for the odd tabification, not sure why copying did that |
| 06:28.21 | karsten | Sec. |
| 06:28.36 | jeffwheeler | I'm getting a "connection refused" when I try to connect to a certain IP address via ssh, but it returns pretty much instantly, leading me to believe that it's not actually sending any request -- is there any likely reason for it to not want to ssh to this particular location |
| 06:28.36 | jeffwheeler | ? |
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| 06:28.57 | karsten | timtheli1n: Looks like you've got a shell whose PWD is in that filesystem. |
| 06:29.03 | liable | !connection refused |
| 06:29.03 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 06:29.05 | karsten | timtheli1n: Kill the shell, you should be OK. |
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| 06:29.10 | timtheli1n | jeffwheeler: conneciton refused can be amazily fast. |
| 06:29.31 | karsten | timtheli1n: Yeah, I get them all the time. |
| 06:29.33 | TiMiDo | hey how do you set up the time on the pc? |
| 06:29.35 | karsten | timtheli1n: usually in bars. |
| 06:29.36 | TiMiDo | i forgot the command |
| 06:29.37 | timtheli1n | karsten: but as you see the seccond command I ran should have done that |
| 06:30.09 | karsten | TiMiDo: aptitude install ntpdate |
| 06:30.37 | karsten | timtheli1n: kill -5, kill -7, kill -9 |
| 06:30.49 | karsten | timtheli1n: Try those in order, sleep a second between each. |
| 06:30.49 | TiMiDo | karsten, done |
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| 06:31.46 | TiMiDo | what else karsten |
| 06:31.48 | karsten | TiMiDo: it'll ask you some configuration questions. If you allow it to use pool.ntp.org, you should be OK. /etc/init.d/ntpd stop; /etc/init.d/ntpdate start; /etc/init.d/ntpd start |
| 06:31.54 | timtheli1n | ok, that worked |
| 06:32.08 | TiMiDo | karsten, it didns't asked me for config |
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| 06:32.44 | karsten | TiMiDo: ... will then sync your system time. Run 'hwclock -systohc; hwclock -u' as well to set your hardware clock to system time (doing that daily in a cronjob might be a Good Thing) and to set your hwclock to UTC (do this unless dual-booting Windows). |
| 06:32.54 | karsten | TiMiDo: dpkg-reconfigure ntpdate then |
| 06:32.58 | karsten | TiMiDo: I think |
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| 06:33.33 | TiMiDo | karsten, still no config |
| 06:34.18 | karsten | TiMiDo: look at /etc/default/ntpdate then |
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| 06:36.34 | karsten | TiMiDo: In general, /usr/share/doc/<package> will have information/instructions as well, as will the package's manpages. |
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| 06:40.15 | xushi | hi all |
| 06:40.44 | xushi | I'm trying to find a printable copy of the installation manual, found at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ . Would anyone be kind enough to show me one if it exists? Thanks |
| 06:42.20 | dondelelcaro | xushi: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
| 06:42.33 | dondelelcaro | xushi: but printing it kind of is a waste of paper |
| 06:42.36 | karsten | xushi: You'll find IIRC PS and PDF versions there. |
| 06:42.40 | karsten | xushi: what dondelelcaro said. |
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| 06:43.25 | karsten | xushi: PDF: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 06:43.30 | xushi | thanks, well ok printing and/or archiving :) And anyway, for medical reasons it's easier on my eyes to read from paper. |
| 06:43.36 | xushi | thanks for the links |
| 06:43.39 | karsten | xushi: NP. |
| 06:44.15 | karsten | About the only thing I print any more is timesheets and Google Maps directions for in the car. |
| 06:44.28 | dondelelcaro | xushi: you can just increase the font size so that it's easy for you to read |
| 06:44.59 | xushi | it's not that.. i'm dyslexic, and when reading volumes of text it's less stressful on my eyes to read it on my tinted paper |
| 06:45.05 | dondelelcaro | ah |
| 06:45.34 | xushi | it's paper worth spending.. and when done there are many here that like such donations (slow internet) |
| 06:46.06 | karsten | xushi: Hrm. You might be able to get a similar effect by using a local CSS stylesheet. |
| 06:46.21 | karsten | xushi: Is it specific foreground/background colors which work for you? |
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| 06:46.52 | dondelelcaro | (when your .xresources contains things like Rxvt*font: -*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1, you've got a problem. ;-)) |
| 06:47.05 | xushi | karsten: yes. Don't know the exact #xxx color, but it's around grey. But CSS is a nice idea |
| 06:47.59 | karsten | xushi: I've played with the concept, most browsers let you specify a default CSS (I do this to standardize fonts and stuff), some let you select an arbitrary CSS for a given page. |
| 06:48.14 | karsten | xushi: I used to "fix" things like white text on black background that way. |
| 06:48.47 | karsten | There was also the Slashdot CSS which rendered any page to look like Slashdot. Running that on the NY Times was fun... |
| 06:48.48 | xushi | i didn't know this was possible, hehe it sounds like a really good thing to do. I'm actually giong to read about how to do it |
| 06:48.54 | xushi | hehe |
| 06:49.41 | karsten | xushi: In general: http://www.google.com/search?q=userContent.css&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 06:49.48 | karsten | xushi: The page I'd set up on this has since died. |
| 06:51.07 | bjorkiMac | reboot |
| 06:51.09 | xushi | karsten: i owe you a lot for this. If it works, you can't believe the help you've done not to me only but to others there with such disabilities too |
| 06:51.13 | bjorkiMac | if this thing's still working after that, ... :D |
| 06:51.17 | karsten | xushi: NP. |
| 06:51.30 | karsten | xushi: While you're at it, google "google is a blind user" :) |
| 06:51.38 | xushi | hehe |
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| 06:57.19 | piosalan | karsten: any idea how windowmaker compares with afterstep? |
| 06:57.34 | piosalan | karsten: was just googling around |
| 06:58.04 | solar_sea | isn't windowmaker a part of gnustep with all the comming from that libs |
| 06:58.46 | piosalan | I don't have a clue myself |
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| 06:59.26 | piosalan | just shopping for a new wm and karsten sugested windowmaker |
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| 06:59.46 | piosalan | looks pretty shnazzy |
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| 07:00.45 | mythomanic | anyone know much about encrypting swap with loop-aes? |
| 07:01.17 | mythomanic | i have an easy question on it - if you do ;) |
| 07:01.45 | lanceallott | is it possible to swap out a lilo boot loader to grub, with out having to reinstall the os? |
| 07:02.15 | karsten | piosalan: afterstep was based on fvwm and IMO isn't as slick as wmaker, though it may be more configurable. |
| 07:02.23 | karsten | piosalan: Yes. |
| 07:02.36 | karsten | solar_sea: erm, yes, wmaker is part of the GNUstep environment. |
| 07:03.10 | bjorkBSD | bah. |
| 07:03.21 | bjorkBSD | apt-get update |
| 07:03.21 | bjorkBSD | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:03.24 | bjorkBSD | i did that |
| 07:03.29 | bjorkBSD | and i still get a bloody error! |
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| 07:04.25 | piosalan | saw an old project called "waimea" looks like that would have been nice had it been developed all these years |
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| 07:04.53 | bjorkBSD | what's waimea? |
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| 07:05.44 | piosalan | a wm that was abandoned in 03 |
| 07:06.12 | piosalan | stil listed on wiki tho |
| 07:06.20 | bjorkBSD | wm's are over done. |
| 07:06.27 | piosalan | ? |
| 07:06.34 | bjorkBSD | yet another wm? |
| 07:06.35 | karsten | piosalan: There's a hell of a lot of stale WMs out there. |
| 07:06.36 | bjorkBSD | c'mon. |
| 07:06.46 | karsten | piosalan: Not saying you can't use 'em, mind. |
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| 07:08.03 | bjorkBSD | what good's another-yet-another wm gonna do? |
| 07:08.18 | karsten | bjorkBSD: What harm is it going to do? |
| 07:08.27 | karsten | bjorkBSD: .. other than starting YAWMW |
| 07:08.41 | lanceallott | those CS students need to get pratical experience somehow, besides who needs another shell editor |
| 07:08.44 | piosalan | karsten: na I get kinda scary bout using something that hasn't been developed in years |
| 07:08.45 | bjorkBSD | it takes away mindshare (a scarce resource) from more valuable projects. |
| 07:08.59 | bjorkBSD | it may be free, but the skill for creating software's scarce. |
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| 07:09.01 | giwe | How do I find the package name that contains /sbin/new-kernel-pkg |
| 07:09.01 | karsten | piosalan: No development == no new bugs ;-) |
| 07:09.07 | piosalan | choices |
| 07:09.19 | karsten | bjorkBSD: If someone wants to do something who're you to say they can't? |
| 07:09.21 | piosalan | karsten: :P |
| 07:09.28 | xingu | karsten: features, we call them featurs; or documentation errors. |
| 07:09.38 | piosalan | why have "another distro" |
| 07:09.42 | bjorkBSD | not me for sure. |
| 07:09.47 | bjorkBSD | piosalan, why indeed? |
| 07:10.03 | karsten | bjorkBSD: I've got no problems suggesting to folks that they should look at KDE, XFCE4, GNOME (despite my own reservations), Windowmaker, Fluxbox, or one of the tabbed WMs as the most likely candidates. |
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| 07:10.29 | lanceallott | giwe: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 07:10.30 | bjorkBSD | karsten, more power to you :) |
| 07:11.14 | karsten | bjorkBSD: The neat thing about having the WM layer seperable within the UI is that you can easily play with a whole mess of new interface concepts. |
| 07:11.29 | giwe | lanceallott: actually I'm troind to find what could be the package name that contains a certain binary "/sbin/new-kernel-pkg". |
| 07:11.59 | bjorkBSD | karsten, sure. everyone knows that. |
| 07:12.01 | karsten | bjorkBSD: Eg: tabbed WMs, whole-display WMs (matchbox => handheld/portable devices), GL displays (eg: Beryl/Compiz), etc. |
| 07:12.11 | bjorkBSD | but i'd rather have YA-foo |
| 07:12.21 | bjorkBSD | where 'foo' is not a damned text editor or wm. |
| 07:12.22 | karsten | bjorkBSD: As opposed to 'Doze and Aqua which force you into a one-size-fits-none solution. |
| 07:12.33 | lanceallott | giwe: apt-cache search new | grep kernel |
| 07:12.42 | karsten | bjorkBSD: Sure, power to you ;-) |
| 07:12.42 | bjorkBSD | karsten, the standard makes it easy to focus on application development. |
| 07:12.45 | piosalan | new projects bring about new ideas and anyone who's ever tweaked anything on thier machine did so because whats good for the masses "default: isn't for everyone |
| 07:13.06 | giwe | lanceallott: would that only search for packages that I have installed? |
| 07:13.08 | karsten | piosalan: s/everyone/themselves/ |
| 07:13.14 | mythomanic | guys i have a really simple question on loop-aes - if anyone has configured their swap at all to utilize aes encryption methods - you, most likely can answer my question |
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| 07:13.30 | lanceallott | giwe: gives all that are install or available |
| 07:13.32 | piosalan | hehe |
| 07:13.37 | karsten | mythomanic: You can do it. It sorta sucks in some ways. |
| 07:13.53 | mythomanic | i have it enabled right now karsten |
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| 07:14.02 | mythomanic | but that isnt the question ;) |
| 07:14.35 | wols | in a LVM volume, will one dead disk kill the whole volume or only the filss actually on that disk? ie. is it like RAID0 without the speed increase or not? |
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| 07:16.12 | mythomanic | the question is, karsten, since i have enabled loop-aes on my swap partition neither top nor system manager (gnome) shows that swap is being used, though it shows that it is active - what gives? |
| 07:16.26 | giwe | lanceallott: thanks, it looks like there is not such a /sbin/new-kernel-pkg in debian. It is inside a postinstall script generated from alien. |
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| 07:18.49 | mythomanic | btw karsten, what objections do you have about aes? |
| 07:19.07 | lanceallott | giwe: you can always try type <cmd>, which <cmd> , file <cmd> or locate <packagename. |
| 07:19.39 | xingu | wols: if you haven't used dm to configure redundancy, I'd assume you're toast. |
| 07:20.06 | giwe | lanceallott: for dpkg -L <package>, I usually like to do a less in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list ; is there anything similar to apt-cache search new ? |
| 07:21.22 | giwe | lanceallott: in other words, instead of memorizing commands, I prefer to memorize the file structure. |
| 07:21.25 | lanceallott | giwe: you can just echo it to a file and parse it |
| 07:22.02 | bjorkBSD | can i fool debian into thinking i'm not on a ppc? |
| 07:22.10 | lanceallott | giwe: like dpkg -L <packagename> > somefile |
| 07:22.11 | bjorkBSD | ... so that it installs the damned flashplugin? |
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| 07:23.20 | giwe | lanceallott: yes, but the whole point is that in the case of dpkg -L, I prefer to look directly into /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 07:23.36 | lanceallott | giwe: then cat <somefile> |grep new* |
| 07:23.42 | timtheli1n | bjorkBSD: that wouldn't help you :(, because it wouldn't be compiled for your architecture |
| 07:24.03 | giwe | lanceallott: yes. that's when I know where to look at. |
| 07:24.08 | bjorkBSD | can i? |
| 07:24.56 | timtheli1n | bjorkBSD: of course it is possible(though I don't know how to do it off the top of my head) but it's not usefull |
| 07:25.03 | Palish | Damn.. |
| 07:25.08 | bjorkBSD | i mean could i compile it? |
| 07:25.08 | lanceallott | giwe: ok last suggestion ... type the first letter of the command and hit <tab> key twice |
| 07:25.13 | bjorkBSD | it doesn't seem to come with sources. |
| 07:25.33 | Palish | image_science is trying to make a directory, but it's getting a permission denied error. How can I debug this? :/ |
| 07:25.47 | timtheli1n | bjorkBSD: it's not open source, however there is a free one which supports like flash 7- streaming video support |
| 07:25.50 | mythomanic | is there a way to fill swap with data? |
| 07:25.56 | lanceallott | will haft to do it as /root to see non-privledged commands |
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| 07:25.58 | karsten | Palish: Is the filesystem writeable? Is the parent directory writeable>? |
| 07:26.09 | Palish | karsten: well, I'm not sure what user it's actually running as |
| 07:26.14 | Palish | would it be the same user mongrel is running as? |
| 07:26.19 | giwe | lanceallott: I have to apologize, I have not given you the correct question or you have misunderstood. |
| 07:26.24 | Palish | also, I don't know where exactly it's trying to make the directory |
| 07:26.46 | Palish | Errno::EACCES (Permission denied - /.ruby_inline) |
| 07:26.54 | timtheli1n | damn, emacs is soo soo big... |
| 07:27.28 | giwe | lanceallott: there is an alien package that I installed and it calls a certain command in /sbin but my debian system doesn't find it. I thought I needed to install a package that provides that command. So I was looking for that package. |
| 07:27.32 | lanceallott | ah....I'am good at that |
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| 07:28.29 | enouf | giwe: you want apt-file |
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| 07:28.59 | giwe | enouf: lemme see. |
| 07:29.05 | enouf | giwe: do /msg dpkg search .. follow the instructs for apt-file |
| 07:29.28 | lanceallott | giwe: out of curiosity ... what exactly is the syntax of the command? |
| 07:30.06 | enouf | giwe: update it often and use http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages search features when in doubt |
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| 07:30.19 | giwe | lanceallott: /sbin/new-kernel-pkg |
| 07:30.43 | enouf | that doesn't sound correct .. :-) |
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| 07:31.07 | giwe | enouf: I guess this does not belong to debian. |
| 07:31.33 | giwe | enouf: it is happening because I installed an alien kernel, I belive. |
| 07:31.50 | enouf | giwe: for installed file dlocate is faster than dpkg -L, but uses the locatedb style so if less than a day since installing updatdb needs to be run |
| 07:32.04 | giwe | enouf: so the install script calls this unknown /sbin command. |
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| 07:32.09 | timtheli1n | how risky would it be for me to upgrade etch to whatever testing is now? |
| 07:32.25 | enouf | !gothsmite giwe |
| 07:32.36 | giwe | enouf: yes, I'm used to use locate and directly underneath /var/lib/dpkg/info. |
| 07:32.38 | lanceallott | well my understanding is that /sbin maintainance programs that are called by other programs |
| 07:33.51 | giwe | enouf: I was wondering if there is an easy location in the tree structure that contains the information of what package contains a certain file but with the caveat that I don't have that package installed. |
| 07:34.18 | enouf | giwe: not for non-debian packages |
| 07:34.30 | giwe | enouf: yes, that's for sure. |
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| 07:34.54 | lanceallott | have you tried man/info new-kernel-pkg |
| 07:34.55 | enouf | er non-debian <whatever-mutant-frankenstein> it may be |
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| 07:37.42 | giwe | lanceallott: I just, tried, no it is not there with man/info. |
| 07:38.04 | giwe | bottom line is: now I'm sure this command doesn't belong to debian. |
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| 07:39.27 | lanceallott | my main debian machine is offline so I,am sorry I can't be of much help rite now |
| 07:40.08 | giwe | lanceallott: hey, no problem thanks for your help. how come you can live with your main box offline ;) |
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| 07:40.47 | giwe | lanceallott: it looks like debian.org search is also down now. |
| 07:40.54 | lanceallott | but i did do a quick search for 'new-kernel-pkg' on two other ones and they never heard of it |
| 07:42.01 | lanceallott | are you sure you got the rite command syntax |
| 07:42.22 | giwe | lanceallott: pretty sure. lemme check. |
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| 07:43.30 | lanceallott | giwe: doing a little experimenting with compiz/fusion and want a clean hard drive to test with |
| 07:43.31 | giwe | "/var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel.postinst: line 7: /sbin/new-kernel-pkg: No such file or directory" |
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| 07:43.55 | giwe | lanceallott: haven't heard of compiz/fusion. |
| 07:45.09 | lanceallott | giwe: its fantastic when you can get it running, but can be a royal pain in the a.. also |
| 07:45.30 | giwe | lanceallott: what does it do? |
| 07:45.58 | liable | its teh pretty |
| 07:46.03 | lanceallott | just go to youtube.com and search for compiz and watch a few videos |
| 07:46.42 | giwe | lanceallott: actually I was doing that ;) |
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| 07:47.30 | giwe | lanceallott: 3d window manager? |
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| 07:49.32 | lanceallott | giwe: well they actually call it a 3d composite window manager that actuall sits on top of X |
| 07:49.55 | giwe | lanceallott: I wonder if my graphics card would bare it ;) |
| 07:50.14 | giwe | lanceallott: is it a deb package? |
| 07:51.06 | yangx | I am wondering why this debian LIVE CD doesnt recognise my ethernet card. Its asus motherbard ethernet card - its recognising Atansic L1 Ethernet network driver |
| 07:51.07 | lanceallott | basically it is EXTREME eye candy, but can actually boost productivity |
| 07:51.40 | ehc | are there short sound clips somewhere? |
| 07:51.46 | ehc | preinstalled? |
| 07:51.50 | lanceallott | once you get familiar with the keyboard shortcuts |
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| 07:52.35 | giwe | lanceallott: what was the most painful part in the installation? |
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| 07:53.15 | giwe | lanceallott: are you running 0.5.2? |
| 07:54.02 | lanceallott | giwe: naw!!, too chicken for that testing stuff |
| 07:54.17 | giwe | 0.4.0 then? |
| 07:54.25 | lanceallott | yup |
| 07:55.03 | giwe | I like to run with two monitors, that also increases productivity. |
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| 07:55.45 | lanceallott | giwe: I'am a very non productive hobbiest |
| 07:56.20 | giwe | lanceallott: so what was the trickiest part in the installation? |
| 07:56.40 | lanceallott | i geek to please...myself mostly |
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| 07:58.49 | lanceallott | giwe: well I have two different video cards /nvidia /ati |
| 07:59.15 | giwe | lanceallott: this is interesting the code is only 1.3MB compressed source. |
| 08:00.11 | lanceallott | the ati card is on IBM T60 Thinkpad laptop ... mobility Radeon X1300 chip |
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| 08:01.24 | lanceallott | could never get Debian or Kbuntu to run compiz properly....but Mandriva did it on the first try |
| 08:01.41 | yangx | how could i put this line into lilo.conf -> vmlinuz append root=/dev/sda1 hda=ide-scsi |
| 08:01.50 | lanceallott | so I trying to figure the secret they know |
| 08:02.06 | yangx | it says unreccognised token "hda" |
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| 08:03.59 | Sweetandy | yangx, Never compile anything over /dev/hda |
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| 08:04.47 | giwe | lanceallott: k, I'm trying to compile it now. |
| 08:04.53 | putridp | $man swapon says: "You should not use swapon on a file with holes". What does that mean? |
| 08:06.26 | giwe | lanceallott: what debian version do you run? etch? lenny? |
| 08:07.01 | lanceallott | giwe: I did dist-upgrade from sarge to etch |
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| 08:07.20 | giwe | lanceallott: maybe what you need is lenny... |
| 08:07.34 | lastnode | anyoen here running bcm4318 under etch? |
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| 08:07.44 | lanceallott | in fact it goes all the way back to woody |
| 08:08.06 | yangx | Sweetandy: or was that only a grub command? |
| 08:08.08 | lanceallott | and I also have a custom kernel |
| 08:08.48 | lanceallott | so I'am kinda screwed but I don't know why :( |
| 08:08.53 | giwe | lanceallott: me too. |
| 08:09.07 | giwe | lanceallott: do you think the problem is the kernel? |
| 08:09.08 | wols | lanceallott: does not compute. what kernel do you run right now? |
| 08:09.42 | lanceallott | giwe: well now I don't feel so bad...you know what they say...misery loves company |
| 08:09.59 | Sweetandy | yangx, Just sharing from experience 8 / I saw what was up. |
| 08:10.33 | giwe | haha. I just met the dependencies to compile it. |
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| 08:11.28 | giwe | lanceallott: I'm pretty sure my integrated graphics card will not be able to handle it. |
| 08:11.45 | lanceallott | wols: 2.6.15.1.080207 custom |
| 08:12.07 | lanceallott | 080206 * |
| 08:12.24 | lastnode | wols, because sometimes you have to |
| 08:12.26 | wols | lanceallott: and what is the problem? (btw: why didn't you use kernel-package?) |
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| 08:12.51 | wols | lastnode: I go out on a limb and say that it's one one of those sometimes in giwe's case |
| 08:13.05 | wols | *not one |
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| 08:13.45 | lanceallott | wols: i did use kenel-package and used the Building Kernel Packages the Debian Way as a guide |
| 08:14.50 | wols | so what is your problem with compiz then? |
| 08:15.00 | wols | or rather, problem with 3D acceleration |
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| 08:15.18 | tziku | hello i have a file "-rw-rw-rw- 1 0 0 3.6G 2007-08-19 11:14 bmw.tar.gz |
| 08:15.27 | giwe | wols: do you also run compiz? |
| 08:15.28 | tziku | and i can't download from server using https... |
| 08:15.41 | wols | once upon a time I did |
| 08:15.51 | giwe | wols: then? |
| 08:15.56 | lanceallott | kernel is not the problem...it is somwhere in the new Xorg.conf and the transition from xfree86 |
| 08:16.01 | giwe | wols: not worth? |
| 08:16.01 | wols | then i went back to standard X |
| 08:16.18 | wols | lanceallott: pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 08:16.38 | giwe | wols: so compiz doesn't run on top of X but it is a replacement? |
| 08:16.38 | wols | and your yorg.log |
| 08:16.45 | wols | giwe: no |
| 08:16.45 | yangx | how do i enter this line into grub booting option ? -> vmlinuz append root=/dev/sda1 hda=ide-scsi |
| 08:16.47 | Wulf_ | morning. I need to compile a custom kernel. how can i build the appropiate initrd image? |
| 08:17.00 | wols | it does run on top of X being a window manager and all |
| 08:17.46 | wols | yangx: put it in your "kernel" line |
| 08:17.48 | lanceallott | wols: I don't have living room full of identical machines... |
| 08:18.04 | wols | liek this kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 08:18.20 | xushi | I'm reading some documentation on how to use apt-get and installing lamp on a minimal net-install debian 4.0rc0. My problem is, i can't find one htat tells me how to install the specific versions, or how to limit to these versions: apache 1.3.x, php 4.4.x, mysql 4.1 or later. |
| 08:18.22 | wols | lanceallott: what has that to do with anything? |
| 08:18.22 | giwe | wols: so I just compiled it. do you know what does it mean : " ./compiz: No composite extension" |
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| 08:18.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | how do I force the interface wlan0 to use dhcp? |
| 08:18.49 | lanceallott | your right...that will work on amd...what about intel |
| 08:18.51 | wols | giwe: libcomposite is missing. there is an extnesion for X that compiz needs to do its magic |
| 08:18.59 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: man interfaces |
| 08:19.17 | giwe | giwe: I see I guess, I just enable on xorg. |
| 08:19.17 | yangx | wols: but if i just want to boot with these options temporary? |
| 08:19.18 | wols | lanceallott: you are making no sense. are you confused? |
| 08:19.37 | giwe | Dark_Apostrophe: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:19.44 | wols | yangx: press "e" on the grub menu. then edit your kernel line accordingly |
| 08:19.45 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 08:19.54 | yangx | wols: thanks |
| 08:20.08 | enouf | yangx: after editing 'b' to boot |
| 08:20.10 | lanceallott | no I'am about 10 cans into a twelve pack |
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| 08:20.16 | enouf | iirc |
| 08:20.22 | wols | enouf: right |
| 08:20.28 | giwe | Dark_Apostrophe: iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 08:20.34 | wols | lanceallott: "don't drink and IRC". now go away |
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| 08:21.25 | wols | !fix lanceallott |
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| 08:22.04 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 08:22.05 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 08:22.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | giwe: Thanks :D |
| 08:22.50 | xushi | hmm, the documentations say about using apt-get to update, install, remove, but how do you search ? |
| 08:22.55 | giwe | Dark_Apostrophe: did it do it? |
| 08:23.08 | yangx | wols: this should do then - kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21-686 root=/dev/sda1 hda=ide-scsi ro |
| 08:23.14 | wols | xushi: apt-cache search |
| 08:23.18 | xushi | thanks wols |
| 08:23.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | giwe: There is no iface command |
| 08:23.25 | wols | xushi: and look into aptitude |
| 08:23.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | giwe: I tried ifconfig, but it spit out an error |
| 08:23.34 | xushi | will do |
| 08:23.34 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: you haven't read the manpage I told you about |
| 08:23.47 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: see/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules |
| 08:23.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know what part to read... manpages are quite large |
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| 08:23.54 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: that is not anything anyone in here told you about. besides, it's the wrong command |
| 08:24.02 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: all of it? |
| 08:24.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 08:24.15 | enouf | oh heh, she didn;'t even get that far |
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| 08:24.20 | enouf | nm |
| 08:24.29 | yangx | wols: is the line correct? |
| 08:24.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | But there is no iface command |
| 08:24.50 | giwe | Dark_Apostrophe: I meant, you write that "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:24.55 | wols | yangx: sorta looks like it, but I dunno why you need hda=ide-scsi anymore, but that'S just me |
| 08:24.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh. |
| 08:25.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | giwe: Okay, thanks |
| 08:25.23 | Galaxor | I have a question about some advanced apt configuration: From now on, I want apt to install things to /mnt/OtherPartition instead of / . Is that possible? |
| 08:25.23 | giwe | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, give it a try. |
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| 08:26.02 | wols | Galaxor: man dpkg. search for "--root" |
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| 08:26.16 | Galaxor | wols: Aha. I'd been looking for --prefix. |
| 08:26.22 | et | When i use kdm, how do you change the session type for just one session? When i select something, it makes it default without asking :( |
| 08:26.23 | yangx | wols: I thought this will fix my problem for which I was suggested to do that but it doesnt solve it... |
| 08:26.25 | enouf | nor did she /msg the bot like i said :-/ |
| 08:26.27 | wols | Galaxor: you can make that default via some /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ editing |
| 08:26.39 | yangx | I upgraded the processor to core2duo and replaced previous linux kernel -k7 with -686. Now it ends in kernel panic error http://paste.debian.net/34918 |
| 08:26.54 | Galaxor | wols: Yeah, I've been reading the apt howto, but it isn't that detailed. |
| 08:26.56 | wols | yangx: iirc ide-scsi was sued for CD writers in 2.4 days but not anymore. could be wrong tho |
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| 08:27.06 | twb | Using apt-cacher, I'm repeatedly getting the following error for security.debian.org: |
| 08:27.06 | twb | W: GPG error: http://apt etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 08:27.06 | twb | What should I do about it? |
| 08:27.18 | Galaxor | wols: Will it be able to use things that were previously installed to / ? |
| 08:27.27 | lanceallott | yangx: do you have a live cd that you can boot from |
| 08:27.28 | twb | The key is in the apt-key(8) ring. |
| 08:27.48 | Galaxor | Like, if I have gtk installed on /, and I want to install gimp on /newdisk, will it insist that I install gtk on /newdisk? |
| 08:27.58 | wols | yangx: sata or pata? and what ide controller and kernel version before and which one now? |
| 08:28.02 | yangx | lanceallott: yeah i am doing that |
| 08:28.34 | wols | Galaxor: don't understand your question |
| 08:28.34 | yangx | wols: i have a standard IDE drive its not conected over SATA |
| 08:28.36 | dimir | Moin |
| 08:28.36 | yangx | wols: just over IDE cable |
| 08:28.43 | wols | yangx: and how is it connected? ie. what ide controller? |
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| 08:29.02 | robboplus | is there a way to find a host if the domain has been suspended? i mean i can't resolve it anymore and i would love to go there by IP it was bound to |
| 08:29.06 | yangx | wols: over the standard ide cable only |
| 08:29.38 | enouf | lspci | egrep -i 'ide|ata' maybe |
| 08:29.40 | Galaxor | wols: Like, I have a bunch of packages installed with / as the root. If I change the root, will apt insist that I don't have those packages installed anymore? |
| 08:29.46 | wols | yangx: the IDE cable is not an ide controller. what ide controller do you use? and Core2Duo mobos with ntel chipsets don't have any IDE controller in the chipset anymore |
| 08:29.46 | yangx | wols: previously i had 2.6.21-k7 later i upgraded to 2.6.21-686 since everyone suggested this is the right core2duo kernel |
| 08:29.47 | lanceallott | yangx: and do you still have the old kernel in /boot |
| 08:29.54 | Galaxor | wols: And make me reinstall those packages at the new root? |
| 08:29.55 | wols | so the boardmaker adds some crappy IDE controller. which one? |
| 08:30.15 | yangx | lanceallott: yes stil, but both refuse to work - -k7 and -686 same error |
| 08:30.20 | Galaxor | wols: Oh, it looks like I only want to change --instdir, not --admindir. |
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| 08:30.39 | enouf | ich7 does, ich8 not |
| 08:30.41 | yangx | wols: IDE controller...is that info in the motherboard manual? |
| 08:30.50 | wols | Galaxor: yes, cause the /var/lib/dpkg/status file will be in /mnt/var/lib... too. ie a new one |
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| 08:31.10 | lanceallott | yangx: so forget about booting the new one, you just need to get the old one working again |
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| 08:31.30 | wols | Galaxor: you can play with inst-dir and admin-dir stuff from dpkg to avoid that IIRC |
| 08:31.31 | kilgore | could someone help me? Im looking for a debian based distro with flux box as its gui and is easy to use. |
| 08:31.35 | Galaxor | wols: But if I only change --instdir, and leave --admindir, then it will still look in /var/lib/dpkg/status, right? |
| 08:31.52 | wols | Galaxor: afaik yes, but you better try out yourself |
| 08:31.59 | Galaxor | I will, thanks. |
| 08:32.17 | giwe | lanceallott: did you try http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 08:32.19 | wols | kilgore: we only support real debian. nothing "debian based". and obviously we think debian is easy to use |
| 08:32.31 | enouf | kilgore: apt-cache search x-window-manager |
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| 08:32.36 | Galaxor | wols: As soon as I can find a doc that tells me what settings to use in apt.conf.d |
| 08:32.41 | lanceallott | giwe: no but I will |
| 08:32.47 | kilgore | ok...i didnt know that |
| 08:32.50 | lanceallott | giwe: thanks |
| 08:32.57 | kilgore | sorry guys |
| 08:33.10 | yangx | wols: its asus mobo....intel ich7 southbridge 1x ide up to tw ultra dma - 133/100/66/33 devices 4x serial ata 3gb ports |
| 08:33.18 | kilgore | i was just having a really hard time setting up flux box |
| 08:33.35 | giwe | lanceallott: I'm also stuck in the installation ;) you dragged my feet ;) |
| 08:33.35 | kilgore | so i decided to look for a distro that had it all set up to help me to learn |
| 08:33.37 | Kjikaqawej | kilgore: /msg dpkg xsession |
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| 08:34.07 | wols | Galaxor: Dpkg::Options {"DPKG OPTIONS";) |
| 08:34.13 | enouf | kilgore: debian can run any window manager .. when installing deselect any already ticked 'tasksel' -- "/msg dpkg ig" in your irc client here |
| 08:34.27 | lanceallott | yangx: just cd int / and do ls -l --color and see what the links are pointing to...thatis if you are using lilo |
| 08:34.30 | wols | yangx: is it an intel IDE controller? if so, the kernel should recognize it on bootup |
| 08:34.44 | wols | but it will be SDA1 from then on most likely |
| 08:34.49 | yangx | lanceallott: i replaced lilo with grub now |
| 08:35.14 | lanceallott | yan |
| 08:35.27 | yangx | wols: you know i can boot up the debian live cd properly , but when i boot this old drive it ends into errors |
| 08:35.46 | Orionisti | Ah, I feel ashamed to ask this, but how did I mount my external hard drive again...? According to Konqueror and dmesg it seems to be /media/sda1 but that's all I know |
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| 08:35.49 | yangx | http://paste.debian.net/34918 |
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| 08:36.11 | lanceallott | yangx: can't help you much with that...all I know is that your image= hast to point to the correct image name |
| 08:36.19 | uase | how does one disable automatic network configuration when booting? |
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| 08:36.23 | xushi | can anoyne please advise: http://pastebin.ca/663096 This is on a new netinstall. I'm not sure if it's known or if i should submit a bugreport as mentioned |
| 08:36.25 | wols | there probably is no hda anymore but only sda, that's all |
| 08:36.40 | wols | you also might need a new initrd of course (and IIRC yaird is pretty much deprecated) |
| 08:37.19 | yangx | wols: it created the new initrd after it has installed the -2.6.21-686 |
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| 08:38.03 | Galaxor | ack. I'm in ircii and I don't know how to scroll up. |
| 08:38.18 | Kjikaqawej | try pgup |
| 08:38.30 | enouf | Orionisti: youcan mount it wherever you want (basically) |
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| 08:39.03 | enouf | mkdir /mnt/place , then mount a partition from your drive there |
| 08:39.28 | Orionisti | right.... |
| 08:39.45 | Orionisti | I'm not at all familiar with this system, as you can see =D |
| 08:39.48 | enouf | uase: automatic? you use knoppix? |
| 08:40.32 | wols | uase: man interfaces |
| 08:40.56 | xushi | did anyone experience this problem before with lamp ? http://pastebin.ca/663096 |
| 08:41.12 | giwe | wols: so I got in my Xorg: "(**) Extension "Composite" is enabled" but still "compiz: No composite extension". any ideas? |
| 08:41.27 | enouf | xushi: i'm not familiar, checked BTS yet? |
| 08:41.39 | wols | giwe: what videocard? |
| 08:41.51 | xushi | enouf : i would, but what does it stand for ? :) |
| 08:41.52 | giwe | wols: good question SIS. |
| 08:41.56 | xushi | bug tracker ? |
| 08:42.05 | giwe | wols: maybe this one is blacklisted? |
| 08:42.22 | enouf | Orionisti: the /media dir is usually made for mounting removable devices - so that's ok too |
| 08:42.34 | wols | giwe: there is no way with SIS to use compiz afaik |
| 08:42.41 | enouf | !bts |
| 08:42.41 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 08:42.43 | lanceallott | giwe: from console go ...glxinfo what you are looking for is direct rendering enabled = yes |
| 08:42.45 | giwe | wols: LoL |
| 08:43.08 | lanceallott | do |
| 08:43.09 | giwe | lanceallott: I see, I run into this many years ago. |
| 08:43.12 | wols | xushi: any special reason you use php5 and apache 1.3? |
| 08:43.26 | wols | erm, php4 |
| 08:43.35 | Orionisti | Allright, I got it mounted, but it seems that the owner is now root, and I can't access the drive. Ideas? |
| 08:43.41 | xushi | wols : i'm trying to use php 4.4.x and apache 1.3.x actually |
| 08:43.42 | yangx | wols: so do you think that generating new initrd image would solve the problem? and how could i do that with that kernel being allready installed? |
| 08:43.54 | giwe | lanceallott: then I had to use a special X driver. |
| 08:43.57 | enouf | Orionisti: depends |
| 08:44.45 | lanceallott | giwe: I don't have any problem getting to that stage...but i keep getting all kinda of eeerrors after |
| 08:44.45 | Orionisti | Allright, throw me some possible solutions =) |
| 08:44.45 | xushi | wols : all the tutorials show me php5 and apache2. So i'm trying to do it by my own through apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 (hoping it would install apache1.3 and php4 from dependancies) |
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| 08:44.52 | cj | woe I say |
| 08:44.59 | lanceallott | something like 'power of 2 mismatch' |
| 08:45.15 | cj | why is there no package of a recent version of openldap? |
| 08:45.17 | wols | xushi: install the stuff tbat shows as unmet by adding it to your cmd line |
| 08:45.22 | enouf | yangx: ubstall initramfs0tools |
| 08:45.25 | giwe | lanceallott: "direct rendering: No" bad sign I guess. |
| 08:45.28 | enouf | yangx: ubstall initramfs-tools |
| 08:45.30 | cj | 2.1 is the most recent stable |
| 08:45.40 | Kjikaqawej | cj: excuse me? |
| 08:45.41 | lanceallott | giwe: way bad |
| 08:45.42 | enouf | er /install/ |
| 08:45.47 | Kjikaqawej | cj: when |
| 08:45.55 | xushi | wols: didn't get that. |
| 08:46.01 | Kjikaqawej | 's the last time you dist-upgraded? |
| 08:46.02 | cj | Kjikaqawej: maybe I'm looking in the wrong place/ |
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| 08:46.11 | lanceallott | giwe: no 3d for you |
| 08:46.11 | xushi | wols: i mean i could do it, but it says that the packages are uninstallable |
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| 08:46.20 | Kjikaqawej | cj: i would say so |
| 08:46.25 | wols | giwe: http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml |
| 08:46.34 | Kjikaqawej | cj: 2.3.30 was in last i checked |
| 08:46.35 | wols | xushi: what version of debian? |
| 08:46.38 | cj | Kjikaqawej: what's the more recent version called? |
| 08:46.43 | cj | that would be nice... |
| 08:46.56 | giwe | lanceallott: I guess, so I but I had a similar problem with an old card. and then I found some driver for it. |
| 08:46.57 | xushi | wols: the netinstall i386 version of the stable 4.0rc0 |
| 08:47.02 | Kjikaqawej | i built my own 2.3.35 |
| 08:47.05 | cj | then why doesn't krb5-admin-server include --with-ldap ? |
| 08:47.23 | Kjikaqawej | cj: heimdal supports ldap backend completely |
| 08:47.49 | cj | oh? maybe I should be using heimdal then... |
| 08:48.06 | enouf | Orionisti: throw us some info |
| 08:48.18 | lanceallott | giwe: no problem though...just download the proprietary driver from non-free and then load the module |
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| 08:48.30 | Orionisti | well, surely I could fire up konqueror as root and move the files with that, but I'm not so sure that's an elegant solution =P |
| 08:48.42 | giwe | lanceallott: that's what I thought. I just need to find this driver. |
| 08:49.01 | Orionisti | info, allright, well I mounted it with mount /dev/sda1 /usbdrive while in root konsole |
| 08:49.03 | cj | Kjikaqawej: I see libldap-2.3-0, but no corresponding -dev |
| 08:49.04 | enouf | Orionisti: ok, so we know what now, that konq isn't loaded .. yet |
| 08:49.05 | Kjikaqawej | cj: little tip when you're setting up the realm: point to a sub-tree to set it up so you have the tgt etc. in that sub-tree, then once done point the kdc at the whole of the tree |
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| 08:49.20 | wols | xushi: and your sources.list is working and updated? |
| 08:49.38 | enouf | Orionisti: what does file -s /dev/sda1 say? |
| 08:49.44 | Kjikaqawej | cj: they don't build -dev for some reason still... various reasons. the 2.2 stuff is still used for -dev in debian |
| 08:49.50 | xushi | wols: if by that it's apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, yes i did that, and it only found an update to my kernel. |
| 08:49.53 | Orionisti | that I do not know yet, it seems that my computer froze |
| 08:50.02 | enouf | heh |
| 08:50.05 | itchi | hi guys, just waked up. Bah, sunday, the troll day, i gona spam again the open market with my Debian T-shirt :-p |
| 08:50.07 | wols | xushi: apt-cache show apache. what does it show? |
| 08:50.08 | Orionisti | Yes, I have to reboot it |
| 08:50.12 | cj | Kjikaqawej: so set the kerberos dn to something below the root and then point the kdc at the root? |
| 08:50.17 | lanceallott | beep beep...beep beep,,beeeeep!! (Beatles circa 1968 'Baby You Can Drive My Car') |
| 08:50.18 | enouf | whoops ;-) |
| 08:50.30 | Kjikaqawej | cj: e.g. ou=Kerberos,dc=your,dc=org, then dc=your,dc=org |
| 08:50.42 | enouf | itchi: happy sunday mi amigo ;-) |
| 08:50.53 | Orionisti | luckily debian is muuuuch faster to boot than the 98SE I used to have on the computer ^_^ |
| 08:50.57 | cj | Kjikaqawej: hmmm... mit won't build against anything older than 2.2.24 |
| 08:51.01 | cj | etch is at 2.1, still |
| 08:51.05 | lanceallott | or maby it was circa 1970 |
| 08:51.10 | xushi | wols: nothing. http://pastebin.ca/663106 |
| 08:51.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Weird... I can't get my wifi up. I can do iwlist scan and see my AP, but I can't seem to connect to it. |
| 08:51.19 | itchi | enouf: I gona shave me, that's more serious :-) |
| 08:51.19 | cj | I'll try heimdal on etch tomorrow... |
| 08:51.25 | Kjikaqawej | cj: i build my own OL for that reason |
| 08:51.26 | yangx | wols: why does debian live CD recognise my drive properly as /dev/hda ...and my kernel on the disk not |
| 08:51.27 | enouf | haha |
| 08:51.34 | Kjikaqawej | cj: the etch heimdal is nice |
| 08:51.34 | cj | OL? |
| 08:51.39 | Kjikaqawej | openldap |
| 08:51.44 | cj | ah. |
| 08:51.52 | Kjikaqawej | cj: you might also want to check out #ldap tomorrow too ;) |
| 08:51.55 | enouf | iwconfig? |
| 08:52.02 | cj | Kjikaqawej: heh. okay. |
| 08:52.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Tried it |
| 08:52.10 | Kjikaqawej | they're familiar with the debian hoops to jump throuygh ;) |
| 08:52.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: iwconfig wlan0 essid (AP ssid) |
| 08:52.25 | wols | yangx: different kernels most likely |
| 08:52.26 | putridp | I'm trying to get a swapfile working on an NFS mount. #swapon /swapfile fails with "swapon: swapfile: Invalid argument". 'swapfile' was created with 'dd', and #mkswap swapfile seems to run okay. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 08:52.52 | wols | xushi: your sources.list is not properly configured. add etch in there or it won't ever work |
| 08:52.56 | enouf | oh well .. what's udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/wlan0 say? |
| 08:53.03 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: ^^^^^^ |
| 08:53.11 | xushi | wols: thanks, i'll look in the docs on how to do that. |
| 08:53.32 | Orionisti | On a related matter, how do I add myself in the sudoers file? |
| 08:53.41 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules |
| 08:53.42 | Kjikaqawej | visudo |
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| 08:54.06 | yangx | wols: DEBIAN LIVE CD has kernel 2.6.21-2-486 do you think if i upload this kernel it would boot properly? |
| 08:54.23 | xushi | wols: let me get this straight. So currently i'm running Debian Sarge, and i have to upgrade to Debian Etch, through the method mentioned above ? |
| 08:54.43 | enouf | putridp: man mkswap |
| 08:54.49 | valdyn | !ig |
| 08:54.49 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 08:55.04 | putridp | enouf: "Swap over NFS may not work." - notwithstanding, i know... |
| 08:55.11 | valdyn | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 08:55.12 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 08:55.12 | enouf | ok then |
| 08:55.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/34948 |
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| 08:56.46 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, does /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules match those settings? i suck at networking issues, let alone wifi |
| 08:56.50 | simonrvn | ^[[DeRya]]^: hello, are you a bot? |
| 08:57.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Heh, I suck even more. :) |
| 08:57.07 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: i know next to nothing about wifi though |
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| 08:57.22 | wols | xushi: if you installed from 4.0 you cannot run sarge in any way shape or form. you simply didn't add a debian repositoriy in your sources.list |
| 08:57.23 | enouf | all that wep and wpa_supplicant and essid and whatnot |
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| 08:57.45 | xushi | wols: i just got it :) Thanks. Just one last question. Do i append the deb .. line, or replace it ? |
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| 08:58.09 | wols | xushi: depends on the deb line already there |
| 08:58.26 | simonrvn | ^[[DeRya]]^ smells like a bot |
| 08:58.26 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: most likely your wifi doesn't associate with your AP |
| 08:58.27 | xushi | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 08:58.40 | xushi | the new one i found is: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 08:58.41 | wols | e.g. WEP or WPA settings wrong or MAC not allowed by the AP |
| 08:58.42 | putridp | enouf: I've read man mkswap til my eyes bleed already, still not much wiser :-/ |
| 08:58.43 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: you might have route, arp, dns isssues |
| 08:58.53 | wols | xushi: add |
| 08:58.58 | dimir | simonrvn: ^or^ ^a^ ^bat^ |
| 08:59.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/34949 |
| 08:59.04 | xushi | thanks for your patience :) |
| 08:59.06 | wols | add the new line, leave the old line as it is |
| 08:59.23 | giwe | lanceallott: did yo say you have problems with compiz in debian with both /nvidia and /ati? |
| 08:59.34 | enouf | putridp: sorry, not sure what's up with nfs .. maybe you should try again from scratch, i recall you maybe got a fragmented seap error from earlier? |
| 08:59.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Sorry for taking so long between running the commands you tell me to and posting output - I'm moving the data around with a USB stick between the laptop and this desktop :) |
| 08:59.43 | xushi | it's downloading the pkg list . Thanks for your patience with a deb-newbie :) |
| 09:01.07 | yangx | which module must be loaded for the ethernet card to apear properly - It just loaded Attansic L1 Ethernet network driver |
| 09:01.15 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, the MACs match and the link/iface (wlan0) is up, so |
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| 09:01.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | So..? |
| 09:01.45 | enouf | putridp: s/seap/swap |
| 09:02.12 | enouf | yangx: never heard of it, do /msg dpkg which driver |
| 09:02.12 | Orionisti | grrrr..... Allright, so I mounted the drive with root konsole as /usbdrive, and then tried to "chown finnisher /usbdrive" but the system is write protected |
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| 09:02.27 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: oh, lol, what's with NDIScrapper? |
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| 09:02.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Umm.. I don't use it |
| 09:02.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: I use iwlwifi |
| 09:03.09 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: # PCI device 0x8086:0x4229 (ndiswrapper) |
| 09:03.20 | yangx | enouf: i think its not in debian pool yet (as reading google) |
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| 09:03.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: :/ |
| 09:03.39 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: likely not important, tolg ya i suck at this :-) |
| 09:03.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Well, I tried installing ndiswrapper first until someone told me to use iwl |
| 09:03.49 | enouf | rer /told ya/ |
| 09:03.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | And I've been using iwl since. |
| 09:05.05 | lanceallott | giwe: well lets just say that I haven't been alble to get and .deb distros to run compiz ...not yet anyway...still hacking |
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| 09:05.14 | putridp | enouf: okay, thanks |
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| 09:05.19 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: i'm out of ideas, check your route and gateway and AP .. that's all i know, dpkg showed you a nice file to zless earlier |
| 09:06.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 09:06.21 | valdyn | !compiz |
| 09:06.22 | dpkg | hmm... compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 09:06.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks anyway |
| 09:06.35 | enouf | putridp: i know the swapfile needs a SWAPSPACE sig in it .. hold a sec |
| 09:06.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | lanceallott: Use shame's repository |
| 09:06.54 | lanceallott | giwe: but Mandriva 2007 and Spring 2007 powerpacks are running great on two machines |
| 09:06.57 | giwe | lanceallott: What kind of errors do you get? In my case, I I think it is because DRI is not supported in the free driver for my SIS card as you said. |
| 09:06.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | lanceallott: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 09:07.04 | simonrvn | er, mkswap /path/to/swapfile works... |
| 09:07.06 | lanceallott | one with ati and the other with nvidia |
| 09:07.22 | giwe | lanceallott: I think I just found a site may help.. |
| 09:08.09 | enouf | putridp: as root do "xxd /dev/hdXX | grep SWAP" .. do you get this --> 0000ff0: 0000 0000 0000 5357 4150 5350 4143 4532 ......SWAPSPACE2 ?? |
| 09:08.09 | lanceallott | giwe: giggle....a sis card !! whaaa is it pci or agp |
| 09:08.36 | giwe | lanceallott: it is integrated. lemme see if it is pci or agp. |
| 09:08.41 | enouf | simonrvn: other issues / errors |
| 09:08.43 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: 0x8086:0x4229 is i4965agn; you need iwlwifi for that. |
| 09:08.47 | simonrvn | mm |
| 09:09.01 | Orionisti | Allright, so I modified my fstab file to include /dev/sda1 /usbdrive auto noauto,users 0 0 and now it tries to automount it, but stalls at 0%. The drive is formatted as NTFS for XP compatibility |
| 09:09.07 | giwe | lanceallott: " [SiS] 661/741/760/761 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter" |
| 09:09.08 | enouf | simonrvn: [04:52:23] <putridp> I'm trying to get a swapfile working on an NFS mount. #swapon /swapfile fails with "swapon: swapfile: Invalid argument". 'swapfile' was created with 'dd', and #mkswap swapfile seems to run okay. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 09:09.13 | giwe | lanceallott: out of lspci. |
| 09:09.33 | simonrvn | swap on nfs? bad idea |
| 09:09.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: And I have iwlwifi |
| 09:09.38 | troubled | simonrvn: morn'n |
| 09:09.45 | enouf | Orionisti: that's the info i was waiting for .. the XPoop ;-) |
| 09:09.45 | simonrvn | hi t |
| 09:09.53 | xand | Orionisti: specify the file system |
| 09:09.56 | Orionisti | Well there you have it ;-) |
| 09:10.00 | troubled | :) |
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| 09:10.04 | lanceallott | giwe: a intergrated video card...awhhha ha ha, your are really a cheapscape |
| 09:10.10 | enouf | Orionisti: /msg dpkg ntfsrw (too) |
| 09:10.35 | putridp | enouf: #xxd /swapfile | grep SWAP returns SWAPSPACE2 okay |
| 09:10.36 | Orionisti | ...huh? |
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| 09:10.52 | enouf | Orionisti: not really till you get your mount option correct |
| 09:10.53 | giwe | lanceallott: I wanted a small form factor. I think the box doesn't have enough power to drive a decent pci graphics card. |
| 09:11.08 | enouf | putridp: yeah but at that offset? |
| 09:11.29 | lanceallott | giwe: rotfl |
| 09:11.39 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: just coming up to speed; does the AP show up in "scan" ? |
| 09:11.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 09:11.51 | simonrvn | don't you need like root on nfs or something for that to work ok, or am i thinking of thin clients...? |
| 09:11.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | iwlist wlan0 scan shows it |
| 09:12.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | But knetworkmanager doesn't see it |
| 09:12.49 | putridp | enouf: sorry. Yeah, at that offset |
| 09:12.52 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: are you using wep or tkip or anything along those lines? |
| 09:12.53 | giwe | lanceallott: LOL I'm happy you are having fun. |
| 09:13.00 | lanceallott | giwe: lets face it...you've got two chances of getting that chip to run compiz...slim...and none |
| 09:13.49 | bullgard4 | A large Keksi form text field rduced its height after appending the underlying table from 406 pixels to the minimum. What property of this Autofield do I have to change? (The 'Height' property is still = 406 pixels). |
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| 09:14.05 | giwe | lanceallott: and even if it runs, it will crawl. |
| 09:14.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: WPA2-AES/TKIP personal |
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| 09:15.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: 63 character passphrase |
| 09:15.17 | putridp | enouf: oh, I've just checked out dmesg: swapon reports that the swapfile has holes. |
| 09:15.32 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: is wpasupplicant installed? |
| 09:15.37 | lanceallott | giwe: yup...it will be doing the moon walk backwards |
| 09:15.37 | Orionisti | grrrr, it froze again |
| 09:15.51 | putridp | enouf: I thought using dd to create the swapfile would avoid that problem |
| 09:16.04 | enouf | putridp: right. the holes (fragmented) thing |
| 09:16.13 | simonrvn | putridp: you need to use dd in a special way; sec |
| 09:16.24 | enouf | putridp: it should if you did it correctly .. use /dev/zero ? |
| 09:16.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think so |
| 09:16.37 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: check; you need it. |
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| 09:16.45 | enouf | putridp: see this thread, many good step by steps http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/2679f9a8fc8939/2841a1fa96dba293?lnk=st&q=mkswap+swapon+author%3Aiforone+can+someone&rnum=1 |
| 09:17.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Yes, it is |
| 09:17.58 | giwe | lanceallott: well, I guess it is mostly dead end and I need to get some sleep. laters. |
| 09:18.13 | putridp | enouf: i used dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count=524288. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. |
| 09:18.24 | enouf | putridp: specifically http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/5661c10088027e56?dmode=source |
| 09:18.31 | simonrvn | putridp: dd if=/dev/null of=your_file bs=1024 count=whateversize |
| 09:18.56 | simonrvn | putridp: could be bs=1M |
| 09:18.59 | enouf | simonrvn: no /dev/zero |
| 09:19.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: But last night, it could pick up my AP and two neighbours |
| 09:19.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: now knetworkmanager can't see anything for some reason :/ |
| 09:19.24 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: "pick up" - associate? |
| 09:19.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Find |
| 09:19.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | It also connected to mine |
| 09:19.44 | lordrich | Dark_Apostrophe: I've only just come in on this conversation, this isn't a Dell by any chance is it? |
| 09:19.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I didn't try connecting to neighbours |
| 09:19.49 | simonrvn | oh yes, /dev/zero |
| 09:19.53 | lanceallott | giwe: c-ya |
| 09:19.56 | simonrvn | putridp: /dev/zero my bad |
| 09:20.02 | simonrvn | enouf: thanks |
| 09:20.02 | putridp | enouf: Might i get holes in the file regardless, if the nfs server filesystem is getting a bit low on free space? |
| 09:20.05 | enouf | putridp: provide full path to the resultant /swapfile (wherever it is) to avoid confusion |
| 09:20.13 | giwe | lanceallott: good luck bye. |
| 09:20.14 | enouf | simonrvn: ;-) |
| 09:20.19 | simonrvn | get confused with sparse files and swap files =) |
| 09:20.21 | putridp | simonrvn: Thanks |
| 09:20.29 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: ok; do you have ieee80211_crypt_tkip module loaded? |
| 09:20.32 | enouf | putridp: might , yes .. |
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| 09:21.13 | Orionisti | My fstab file now has /dev/sda1 /usbdrive auto noauto,users 0 0 and when I plug in the drive it starts mounting it but freezes at 0%. Any ideas? |
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| 09:21.59 | enouf | Orionisti: did you mkdir /usbdrive ? if so why? |
| 09:22.02 | enouf | :-P |
| 09:22.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: nope |
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| 09:22.19 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: load it. :) |
| 09:22.34 | Orionisti | I think I did mkdir /usbdrive, but I rebooted afterwards, too, does it matter? |
| 09:22.46 | DustyBin | is there a opposite command to: apt-get build-dep |
| 09:22.47 | enouf | Orionisti: mkdir /mnt/usbdrive or /media/whatever, check your udev rules, now that Konq (DCOP) and dbus know all about it already .. hehe |
| 09:22.51 | DustyBin | maybe apt-get remove-dept ? |
| 09:23.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
| 09:23.01 | Orionisti | enouf, plain english for me, please |
| 09:23.18 | enouf | Orionisti: that's as plain as it gets ;-) |
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| 09:24.29 | enouf | and still /fstab, i don't see FS type .. forget auto .. |
| 09:24.34 | Orionisti | enouf: that's not plain anough ;-) |
| 09:24.50 | enouf | Orionisti: i don't do MPoop .. sorry ;-) |
| 09:24.50 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: any joy with knetworkmanager ? |
| 09:24.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: done |
| 09:25.14 | Orionisti | ah, sorry, I had fs type as "ntfs" not as "auto" |
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| 09:25.31 | moshii | Does anyone know how I can map the eisuu key on an apple keyboard to something useful, so i can use it to active scim for example |
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| 09:25.53 | enouf | Orionisti: isn't it ntfs-3g or .. (dunno) |
| 09:26.08 | putridp | enouf: When it says: swapfile has holes, does it mean the file is fragmented? |
| 09:26.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Still doesn't show anything :/ |
| 09:26.18 | enouf | putridp: i'm guessing yes ;-) |
| 09:26.27 | Orionisti | well, worth a try |
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| 09:26.45 | putridp | enouf: :) |
| 09:26.54 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, maybe try xsupplicant as a gui to troubleshoot the wpa/tkip bit. |
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| 09:28.04 | ma3x | hello. some streams like http://channelsurfing.net/ accept only windows media player. I have mplayerplug-in but I can't watch. is there another way? |
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| 09:28.16 | DustyBin | ive removed all my mythtv packages on my system using apt-get remove --purge + ive also updatedb and located and removed things manually, when i dpkg -l it still shows a mythtv packages on the list: |
| 09:28.20 | DustyBin | pc mythtv-common 0.20-svn20070223-0.0 A personal video recorder application (common data) |
| 09:28.23 | DustyBin | how do i remove that? |
| 09:28.27 | ma3x | it doesn't work even with firefox in windows. only with ie |
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| 09:29.53 | liable | DustyBin: dpkg -P mythtv-common |
| 09:29.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | ma3x: Try downloading the asx file, opening it and getting the direct URLs from there |
| 09:29.57 | ehc | if I have a partition and a user cannot read and write on it how can I change my fstab to that I can read and write as a user? |
| 09:30.13 | Orionisti | ehc, I have almost the same problem here =) |
| 09:30.24 | ma3x | Dark_Apostrophe, how do i get it? i can't view the java script or can i? |
| 09:30.58 | DustyBin | thanks liable: what did that do? why didnt apt-get remove --purge do the same thing? |
| 09:31.09 | ma3x | Dark_Apostrophe, javascript:smallpop('watch-fifa-4.html') I wanna see FIFA U-17 World Cup |
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| 09:31.28 | enouf | xingu: hello, i have a quick question about booting using "init=bin/sh" in kernel line in grub (saw you help out itchi, a week or two ago), Question, A. does syntax matter ala; " init=/bin/sh" (<--notice leading space) vs "init=/bin/sh" , and B. Placement location in line (end) ? so for ex;-> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro "init=/bin/sh" <-is correct? |
| 09:31.39 | liable | DustyBin: --purge should have done the same, all the dpkg -P does is remove the configs if they are still left |
| 09:32.20 | enouf | xingu: i could easily test it, but i reboot so infrequently ;-) |
| 09:32.26 | liable | enouf: yes thats correct (without ") |
| 09:32.46 | enouf | liable: ahh so kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro init=/bin/sh ? |
| 09:32.50 | xingu | enouf: nope; kernel command line parser is an interesting thing but leading spaces don't fool it; and position is independant; from memory the parser feeds the command line iteratively to each subsystem/ module and they grab whatever they understand and leave what's left. |
| 09:32.56 | liable | enouf: yeah |
| 09:33.16 | enouf | xingu: wow .. thanks ;-) |
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| 09:33.31 | CharminTheMoose | I'm attempting to connect an app that uses portaudio to the in connection of I'm attempting to connect an app that uses portaudio to the in connection of jack-rack, but the effects aren't applied jack-rack, but the effects aren't applied. for example, I connect out_0 and out_1 to (jack_rack_2753) in_1 and in_2 respectively. but still my effects don't work.. what's wrong? |
| 09:33.35 | liable | try init=/dev/null :) |
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| 09:33.46 | liable | i guess that wont work actually |
| 09:33.49 | Orionisti | enouf: I mounted the device as root, but now only root can access it and I cannot change the ownership to my user account even if I am root because the system is write protected... |
| 09:33.56 | enouf | liable: xingu , just that i've guided a few starys and it didn't seem to work for them (forget the exact errors), like no /biin/bash found |
| 09:34.09 | enouf | s/starys/strays |
| 09:34.14 | enouf | over the last few weeks |
| 09:34.18 | xingu | enouf: there's patches floating about to replace the parser itself with a proper tokenising thing (as a byproduct of the design goal of removing the length limits); but they're yet to merge upstream. |
| 09:34.38 | xingu | enouf: your initrd probably doesn't have /bin/sh or /bin/bash? |
| 09:34.52 | xand | CharminTheMoose: say what? |
| 09:34.58 | enouf | xingu: it would be "theirs", not mine .. sorry |
| 09:35.19 | enouf | xingu: i'm sure mine does, i guess - standard debian kernel and initrd here for now |
| 09:35.30 | CharminTheMoose | xand, I think i'm quite understandable.. |
| 09:35.31 | CharminTheMoose | :P |
| 09:35.54 | xingu | enouf: exactly; but if you follow, if the error is produced then the command line /has/ been parsed and the binary does not exist/ cannot be loaded with execve |
| 09:35.59 | xand | CharminTheMoose: looks like random copy and pasting :P |
| 09:36.33 | liable | !moo |
| 09:36.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 09:36.53 | liable | nothing like a bit of random mooing |
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| 09:37.54 | enouf | xingu: ahh .. see, i even tried googling then, and found this only "Kernel command line: init=/bin/sh ro root=/dev/hda2 vga=0x0f03" as a piece to an old RH 7.x install? (as an example), so i got real curious about placement -- see http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=102289270207666&w=2 (it's short) |
| 09:38.14 | enouf | er /piece of dmesg/ |
| 09:38.46 | Orionisti | a bit of copypasta... I mounted the device as root, but now only root can access it and I cannot change the ownership to my user account even if I am root because the system is write protected... |
| 09:38.50 | Orionisti | ideas? |
| 09:38.53 | Orionisti | solutions? |
| 09:39.08 | muh2000 | i compiled a 2.6.22.3 kernel with config parameters from the older kernel(2.6.21.5) and when i boot the newer kernel the screen goes BLACK and the computer doesnt seems to boot... :( any guesses? |
| 09:39.14 | enouf | xingu: makes sense, about the error, and line has been parsed .. thanks much |
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| 09:40.19 | Orionisti | can I mount the filesystem in a manner that automatically set the ownership to my user account instead of root? |
| 09:40.24 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: your initial post just seemed to have that 1st clause repeated twice and strung together == confusion |
| 09:40.57 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: I'm attempting ... I'm attempting .. |
| 09:41.20 | CharminTheMoose | urgh |
| 09:41.21 | xand | and other bits were repeated :) |
| 09:41.23 | enouf | !nyfsrw |
| 09:41.27 | enouf | !ntfsrw |
| 09:41.28 | dpkg | from memory, ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 09:41.57 | Orionisti | I just wish to read the files on my normal user, instead of making a root konqueror or something |
| 09:42.02 | enouf | Orionisti: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g , see ntfs-3g.org |
| 09:42.19 | enouf | Orionisti: we know, blame Mpoop ;-) |
| 09:42.28 | Orionisti | I do have ntfs-3g installed, and I remember having done this earlier, but time has passed and I have forgotten |
| 09:42.29 | enouf | Orionisti: and stop homogenizing :-P |
| 09:42.42 | Orionisti | sorrey ^_^ |
| 09:43.02 | xingu | enouf: you learn things like that when init goes apeshit due to bad config or a bung libc. :) |
| 09:43.14 | enouf | xingu: haha .. |
| 09:43.20 | xingu | it's been far too long since someone shipped an init-breaking libc |
| 09:43.58 | CharminTheMoose | lemme try again: ahem... I have an app that uses JACK enabled portaudio and I want to connect it to jack-rack, I've tried connecting PortAudio-out0 and Portaudio-out1 to jack_rack-in1 and jack_rack-in2 respectively, but still the various effects i've tweaked in jack-rack don't seem to work. what am i doing wrong here? |
| 09:44.17 | enouf | xingu: it's just it was frustrating for me trying to walk these n00bs through it, only to hit that wall i spoke of, i will certainly test a lot of it once i reboot again ;-) |
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| 09:44.45 | Orionisti | I'm a n00b allright =) |
| 09:44.55 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: any of those apps have a #channel? |
| 09:45.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | ma3x: No idea |
| 09:45.27 | mosty | how does an initramfs-tools initrd know what should be mounted as root? |
| 09:45.48 | enouf | you update-initramfs it? |
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| 09:47.09 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION also updates it to a degree, if you need to roll modules into it, man initramfs, man update-initramfs |
| 09:47.13 | Selenolycus | So, anyone have a link to the best debian wallpaper ever? |
| 09:47.45 | mosty | enouf, i know how to update the initramfs image, but i want to know how the initrd knows what to mount as root when it boots |
| 09:47.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: I don't have a link, but I have the file |
| 09:48.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: I can DCC it to you if you want |
| 09:48.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
| 09:48.06 | enouf | mosty: it's in the linuxrc script and udev rules or something within |
| 09:48.09 | mosty | enouf: because i'm trying to install debian on an external hard drive, and it can't find the root fs |
| 09:48.16 | Selenolycus | Dark_Apostrophe: Sure. |
| 09:48.17 | enouf | er initscript? |
| 09:48.27 | solar_sea | If I want to do a netinstall on a notebook that I can connect to my current debian system, can I set it to download the .debs from my system and not the debian mirrors ? |
| 09:48.35 | enouf | mosty: you can take it apart and view it easily, if you like |
| 09:49.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: Accept.. |
| 09:49.17 | Selenolycus | I did. |
| 09:49.17 | Selenolycus | =/ |
| 09:49.24 | enouf | mosty: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/24/inspecting-the-content-of-an-initrd-file/ (see the 3rd type for udev debian kernels (cpio)) |
| 09:49.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn |
| 09:49.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, I'll upload it to a server |
| 09:49.29 | Selenolycus | Could you put it on tinypic.com ? ;-) |
| 09:49.48 | mosty | enouf, i'm in a shell in the initrd now, i'm trying to figure out what part is failing |
| 09:50.10 | enouf | mosty: there are config files for it |
| 09:50.14 | enouf | hit those man pages |
| 09:50.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: http://xs318.xs.to/xs318/07330/debianmorning.jpg |
| 09:51.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: Note that I'm probably violating copyright now, I have no idea where I got it or what license it has |
| 09:51.22 | enouf | like /etc/initramfs-tools/modules for ex, there's similar ones too somewhere in /usr/ |
| 09:51.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: Actually, wait, I think I remember, one sec |
| 09:51.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/debian+morning?content=57885 <-- There. It's under the GPL :D |
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| 09:51.57 | Selenolycus | Sort of ironic that someone would make a Debian image that wasn't open. |
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| 09:52.29 | enouf | look at the "init" in root dir and /scripts /* |
| 09:52.47 | enouf | mosty: look at the "init" file in the root dir and /scripts/* |
| 09:53.00 | Selenolycus | That's actually very nice, though I have a different res. |
| 09:53.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: Well, it's under the GPL |
| 09:53.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: Well...edit it? |
| 09:53.19 | |xushi| | I can't figure out where to install php4 from =/ Can anyone please advise ? |
| 09:53.20 | mosty | enouf, i've been looking in the scripts already, i'm kinda stuck. i'll find init and see there |
| 09:53.40 | Selenolycus | I don't think I can make it any larger without res. loss. |
| 09:53.45 | Orionisti | How did I delete files with konsole again? =D |
| 09:53.53 | enouf | mosty: what's your exact issue?, which kernel? who made it? and who made the initrd? |
| 09:53.55 | Selenolycus | or distortion |
| 09:53.56 | Selenolycus | rather. |
| 09:54.18 | enouf | Orionisti: man rm .. is this ntfs files? |
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| 09:54.33 | Orionisti | no, just the mountpoint =) |
| 09:54.38 | enouf | haha |
| 09:54.51 | enouf | rm -rd /mnt/point should do |
| 09:54.54 | Orionisti | did the mkdir /mnt/usbdrive as root and now it's locked and it can't mount there =D |
| 09:55.02 | joeyjones | Orionisti: http://www.ss64.com/bash/ could be useful. |
| 09:55.04 | Orionisti | thanks ;-) |
| 09:55.06 | enouf | huh? O.o |
| 09:55.13 | mosty | enouf: i'm trying to install debian on an external usb drive. all the debian kernel's i've tried get into the initramfs but won't mount the root fs. it says "waiting for root filesystem" then after a few minutes drops to a shell in the initrd |
| 09:55.19 | solar_sea | can I make a netinstall use the debs that I have in my /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 09:55.22 | enouf | loves the "lock" .. haha |
| 09:55.23 | Orionisti | ...or at least that's what I think happened =S |
| 09:55.55 | enouf | mosty: oh, i think you might need to delay that wirth a sleep 5 or so command somewhere in there ;-) |
| 09:56.02 | enouf | mosty: that's all i recall about it |
| 09:56.22 | enouf | delay it trying to mount, somehow in there, edit and reroll |
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| 09:57.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I connect to a wireless network? iwconfig wlan0 essid (networkname) seems to do absolutely nothing. |
| 09:58.11 | mosty | Dark_Apostrophe, that just sets the essid |
| 09:58.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Shows what a newb I am. :) |
| 09:58.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | So how do I do it? |
| 09:58.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a WPA2-AES/TKIP Personal protected network |
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| 09:58.54 | mosty | you need wpa_supplicant i think |
| 09:59.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | I have it installed |
| 09:59.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I managed to connect yesterday |
| 09:59.44 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: you have made a config file or you used NM to connect? |
| 09:59.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can access the AP's DD-WRT web interface from LAN |
| 09:59.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: knetworkmanager |
| 10:00.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it can't see any networks now for some reason, even though iwlist scan finds mine and my neighbours |
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| 10:01.13 | Selenolycus | Besides KDE, XFCE, IceWM, OpenBox, Flubox, blackbox, windowmaker, Enlightenment, and Window Maker, am I missing any major good window managers/desktop environments? |
| 10:01.19 | Selenolycus | Oh, and GNOME |
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| 10:02.25 | Coweater | fvwm |
| 10:02.42 | solar_sea | fvwm-crystal, it's nice |
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| 10:03.42 | Selenolycus | Is it? |
| 10:04.28 | Selenolycus | Has anyone tried SymphonyOS/Mezzo? |
| 10:04.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: GnuStep |
| 10:05.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: So how do I get the wifi up? |
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| 10:06.04 | zophy[] | i got addicted to gnome |
| 10:06.04 | zophy[] | metacity is nicfe |
| 10:06.10 | zophy[] | nice |
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| 10:06.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | zophy[]: >_< |
| 10:06.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | zophy[]: I *can't stand* gnome. First thing I do when I install a new system is apt-get install kde |
| 10:07.13 | Selenolycus | o_o |
| 10:07.45 | Selenolycus | I find KDE to feel plasticky, but my little sisters like it. |
| 10:07.47 | Selenolycus | =x |
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| 10:08.23 | zophy[] | heh, i just used kde for a bit today and thought it was crap |
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| 10:08.50 | Selenolycus | To each their own. |
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| 10:09.08 | Selenolycus | I thank KDE for Amarok's existence. |
| 10:09.42 | Selenolycus | Grrr... I want to get Mezzo. |
| 10:10.18 | Selenolycus | I think most of us are dying to get Sugar. |
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| 10:12.35 | robboplus | is there a command that will lookup country code for a given ip? |
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| 10:14.15 | Selenolycus | robboplus: I don't know of a command code, I use ip2location.com a lot. |
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| 10:14.55 | Orionisti | I'm trying to "cp /mnt/usbdrive/Directory Name /home/finnisher/Directory Name" but as the directory name has a space in it, there are some problems... how to make toe copy work regardless? |
| 10:15.25 | Selenolycus | Orionisti: Use |
| 10:15.27 | Orionisti | toe = the |
| 10:15.27 | Selenolycus | errr |
| 10:15.36 | Orionisti | use what? |
| 10:15.46 | Selenolycus | Orionisti: Use \ before the space, like Directory\ Name |
| 10:16.10 | Selenolycus | Also try using tab completion, type part of the directory's name, then hit tab. |
| 10:16.20 | Selenolycus | That only works with existing directories, of course. |
| 10:16.24 | Orionisti | allright |
| 10:16.27 | Orionisti | I'll give it a try |
| 10:16.34 | muep | Orionisti: you can also put the filenames in quotes |
| 10:16.44 | Selenolycus | Quotes are for sissies! |
| 10:17.22 | Orionisti | ok, it seemed to interpret it correctly, but now it just didn't copy the stuff o_O |
| 10:17.25 | muep | Selenolycus: maybe, but it's a working solution, too ;) |
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| 10:18.02 | Orionisti | it just passed/dismissed/whatever the directory |
| 10:18.02 | muep | is there some reason one shouldn't use quotes but escape the spaces with \? |
| 10:18.29 | Selenolycus | I suppose not. |
| 10:18.37 | xushi_3 | I just noticed by default apt installs apache with root user. Isn't it recommended to have an apache user to handle its files ? |
| 10:19.34 | mosty | xushi_, apache starts as root because it needs to open a priviliged port, then is starts child processe as www-data |
| 10:19.59 | xushi_3 | mosty: sorry, what i meant is having group and user "apache" that will handle everything in /var/www/ |
| 10:20.00 | Orionisti | just to be clear, it is "cp source destination" right? |
| 10:20.05 | xushi_3 | instead of root |
| 10:20.11 | xushi_3 | Orionisti: yes |
| 10:20.17 | wols | xushi_3: there is. www-data |
| 10:20.19 | mosty | xushi_, www-data |
| 10:20.40 | xushi_3 | mosty: oh, didn't see that. Thanks :) |
| 10:20.48 | Ender | All Trance Music Listeners - TranceRadio ! http://klausyk.Smagus.Net ! |
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| 10:20.58 | wols | Ender: don't do this |
| 10:21.14 | Selenolycus | Do what? |
| 10:21.15 | Turquoiser | Orionisti: it copies only the directory, not files in it |
| 10:21.19 | wols | the spamming |
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| 10:23.15 | Orionisti | allright |
| 10:23.31 | Orionisti | so how do I copy the files, too? -r ? |
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| 10:25.23 | Turquoiser | Orionisti: cp -r /source/* /destination/ copies recursively all files and directories from /source/ |
| 10:25.32 | Turquoiser | Orionisti: man cp ... |
| 10:25.46 | enouf | Selenolycus: apt-cache search x-window-manager (in case a few were missed) ;-) also note some like "dwm" |
| 10:26.20 | Orionisti | I think I'm getting the hang of this, thanks guys =) |
| 10:26.34 | Selenolycus | dwm? |
| 10:26.56 | Orionisti | bash man pages helps a lot, I won't be pestering you with the n00biest questions for a while now =) |
| 10:27.12 | Selenolycus | Orionisti: Time will tell... |
| 10:27.29 | Orionisti | indeed, indeed |
| 10:28.04 | Selenolycus | INANIA·UERBA·SVNT |
| 10:28.11 | enouf | Orionisti: don;t forget about dpkg to help too .. /msg dpkg selftell |
| 10:28.45 | enouf | Orionisti: ex; /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 10:31.54 | Shisui | Punky \o\ Punky /o/ Punky \o/ |
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| 10:34.34 | Selenolycus | Good DVD ripping app = ? |
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| 10:36.44 | simonrvn | ?s are good for shell not app names |
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| 10:36.52 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 10:37.06 | Selenolycus | =( |
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| 10:37.22 | simonrvn | apt-cache is your friend |
| 10:37.38 | Selenolycus | Yes, but apt-cache can't tell me if an app is crap or not. |
| 10:37.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | How does one make changes done xkeycaps permanent? |
| 10:38.05 | Selenolycus | Dark_Apostrophe: By donating money to me. |
| 10:38.20 | simonrvn | the GUI ones all depends on the backend, which is one variant or another of either cdrecord the dvd version or wodim |
| 10:38.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: I already donated a wallpaper to you - What more do you want? :( |
| 10:38.37 | Selenolycus | Money. |
| 10:38.43 | simonrvn | so pick your GUI poison |
| 10:38.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: Here's a deal - I'll give you a free batch of electrons. |
| 10:39.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Selenolycus: Deal? |
| 10:39.10 | simonrvn | already did ;) |
| 10:39.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Indeed. |
| 10:39.32 | simonrvn | question is how *many* ;) |
| 10:39.33 | Selenolycus | wodim = RIPper? |
| 10:39.41 | simonrvn | burner |
| 10:39.54 | simonrvn | oh ripping... |
| 10:39.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Seriously, how do I make the changes permanent? |
| 10:39.58 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 10:39.59 | Selenolycus | Mhm. |
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| 10:40.13 | Selenolycus | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't know, sorry. If I did, I would've told you already. |
| 10:40.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
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| 10:41.04 | simonrvn | depends on what you want to rip... a decent encoder ... toolame, lame, mencoder with one or the other backend... |
| 10:41.09 | alexfranci | how can i limit the bandiwith for my apache server? so people cannot donwload from me up to 10 KB/s for example |
| 10:41.27 | Selenolycus | simonrvn: Ultimately I want to from DVD-9 to DVD-5 |
| 10:41.46 | simonrvn | Selenolycus: gobbledigook to me |
| 10:42.07 | simonrvn | i thought you were wanting to encode to file... |
| 10:42.18 | Selenolycus | simonrvn: A full-sized 8.4 GB DVD, or whatever it is, to a standard burnable 4.7 GB DVD |
| 10:42.19 | simonrvn | nm me.. |
| 10:42.26 | pingouin | DVD9->DVD5 = http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| 10:42.39 | simonrvn | and probably in debian |
| 10:43.04 | Internat | what do people think about using greylisting on the backup/relay mx servers? |
| 10:43.06 | simonrvn | so the -9 and -5 just refer to their size |
| 10:43.30 | pingouin | layers i guess |
| 10:43.39 | simonrvn | Internat: if not done properly on either side it can result in bounces going back and forth |
| 10:44.06 | Internat | i currently only use amavisd/spam assisasin on the primary |
| 10:44.08 | simonrvn | it's called secondary, FYI |
| 10:44.49 | Internat | i was only thinking of putting greylisting on the secondary as a cheap spam filtering technique |
| 10:44.53 | simonrvn | ok, just make sure you aren't redirecting them to the 2nd, otherwise big messes ;) |
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| 10:45.13 | simonrvn | mm. well try it out, see what happens ;) |
| 10:45.36 | Internat | yeah im happy to do that :) and im going to, but i thought id ask for opinions on the subject first, incase im about to do something overly stupid :P |
| 10:45.50 | simonrvn | not stupid, just gotta be careful |
| 10:46.18 | DustyBin | im confused, mysql server is running on my box, but i cannot find port 3306 open by using netstat -l |
| 10:46.22 | simonrvn | it's easy to do if you have no secondary/primary, but you gotta sync the work up if you do |
| 10:46.55 | simonrvn | DustyBin: netstat -pluant (as root, drop the p for regular user) |
| 10:47.06 | Internat | yeah i realise where the potenital flaws could be, im just tryining to think of ways of making it so that the secondary isnt the main target for psam, and that it doesnt waste time doing content filtering that the primary is going to do on the message anyway |
| 10:47.10 | simonrvn | then grep ;) |
| 10:47.47 | DustyBin | ok thanks :) |
| 10:47.49 | DustyBin | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3321/mysqld |
| 10:48.35 | simonrvn | hmm, i wonder if you can do an "invisible secondary", to prevent the 2nd from being targetted by spammers to bypass the primary |
| 10:49.09 | xushi_3 | out of curiosity, how does one install modules for php4 in debian? I can't seem to figure it out |
| 10:49.13 | simonrvn | would be dns based... |
| 10:49.14 | xushi_3 | for example, mod_rewrite |
| 10:49.28 | simonrvn | mod_rewrite is apache, not php |
| 10:49.44 | xushi_3 | are you sure ? o_O |
| 10:50.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:51.20 | liable | stupid fglrx, new driver and it already wont compile on a recent kernel. |
| 10:51.23 | simonrvn | i've been running apache almost as long as i've been using linux ;) |
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| 10:51.51 | simonrvn | (not saying much, that's just ~5 years) |
| 10:53.35 | simonrvn | nvz: new sawfish in debian |
| 10:53.58 | Selenolycus | hooray sawfish |
| 10:54.02 | simonrvn | liable: sounds worse than nvidia's crap |
| 10:54.15 | yangx | can someone tell if Atansic L1 gigabit ethernet module is allready in debian kernels? http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/2007/07/20/attansic-l1-gigabit-ethernet-driver-for-debian/ |
| 10:54.41 | simonrvn | yangx: if they build it, they will come |
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| 10:55.00 | yangx | simonrvn: but it isnt in DEBIAN LIVE CD yet? |
| 10:55.22 | simonrvn | NFC |
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| 10:55.33 | wols | yangx: I don't think it is. grep -i atl /boot/config-2.6.* |
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| 10:56.16 | brra | i have a nfs issue. i have a mount that has the size 200gb (exports rw,no_root_squash,sync). i can mount is on the client no issues ther, only problem is that some of the sub folder in this mount (the subfolders that have lager sizes) cant be seen. any one who can point me in the correct way? |
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| 10:56.52 | liable | simonrvn: its about 10 times worse. to give you some idea, i have been using vesa on this box that has a x1300 with 256MB for about 4 months |
| 10:57.09 | liable | just because of the damn driver install issues |
| 10:57.09 | simonrvn | holy smokes |
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| 10:57.18 | xushi_3 | simonrvn: touche' :) Then, how does one install modules for apache 2 in debian? I can't seem to find a LoadModule line in apache.conf |
| 10:57.21 | yangx | wolf it shows CONFIG_ATL1=m |
| 10:57.21 | wols | can't you use an older kernel liable? does it have to be the latest+greatest? |
| 10:57.35 | liable | i had given up, decided to try it agin, but of course the fucker fails |
| 10:57.56 | wols | xushi_3: grep -r -i loadmodule /etc/apache |
| 10:57.59 | wols | xushi_3: grep -r -i loadmodule /etc/apache/* rather |
| 10:58.06 | simonrvn | xushi_3: a2enmod ; a2dismod ; a2ensite ; a2dissite ; enable/disable modules and sites. have fun |
| 10:58.12 | wols | yangx: then it's in there |
| 10:58.18 | simonrvn | mod_rewrite is there |
| 10:58.51 | simonrvn | wols: well sometimes you have to, security issues |
| 10:58.55 | xushi_3 | thanks a lot |
| 10:59.01 | simonrvn | np |
| 10:59.27 | wols | simonrvn: well, then maybe he should stay with a official debian kernel :) |
| 10:59.28 | simonrvn | that stuff ^^^ was one of the best things they did for apache, those little scripts |
| 10:59.29 | yangx | wols: I can load it with modprobe atl1, but it doesnt show anything about ethXXX in dmesg... |
| 10:59.35 | wols | those are old enough for ati and should have no issues |
| 10:59.49 | wols | tho, since he's on a notebook he might want a new kernel for the new wlan stack |
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| 11:00.02 | simonrvn | that and getting a decent init script into etch ;) |
| 11:00.07 | wols | yangx: what does it show? and what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 11:00.19 | wols | yangx: if neither says anything: lspci -v and pastebin it |
| 11:00.45 | streuner_ | wols: in vacation? |
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| 11:00.54 | wols | streuner_: huh? |
| 11:01.04 | streuner_ | wols: the last 3 weeks |
| 11:01.14 | simonrvn | fuck the clipboard plugin for xfce is such a pita sometimes |
| 11:01.33 | wols | got kicked/banned. I don't use auto rejoin in such a case |
| 11:01.35 | yangx | wols: it shows only Attansic L1 ethernet network driver - version 2.0.7 ; Copyright; ACPI Interrupt 0000:02:00 -> GSI 17-> IRQ 17 ; setting latency timer of device 000XXX to 64 |
| 11:01.55 | simonrvn | yangx: looks like it loaded |
| 11:01.59 | streuner_ | wols: who did that? |
| 11:02.08 | yangx | wols: and i cannot pastebin since i cannoit enable ethernet there |
| 11:02.24 | simonrvn | yangx: now set up the iface for it, and try to ping something |
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| 11:02.43 | simonrvn | even running ethtool on it would help |
| 11:03.00 | simonrvn | or mii-tool or whatthefuckever it;s called |
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| 11:04.05 | liable | wols: yes, i could use an older kernel. |
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| 11:04.34 | simonrvn | i need food |
| 11:04.45 | wols | streuner_: I lied. was another channel but #debian got cuaght up in it causew it coincided with a power outage |
| 11:05.03 | wols | yangx: what does ifconfig -a say? |
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| 11:05.22 | wols | streuner_: #debian is not in my auto join list |
| 11:05.24 | xored | hot to limit the number of mysql threads started under etch ? |
| 11:06.31 | themill | xored: /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 11:06.41 | streuner_ | wols: thats very interesting, because you was in debstats serveral weeks #1 :-) |
| 11:06.58 | xored | themill: i know where to configure mysql...thats not what i asked for. |
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| 11:07.38 | themill | xored: Does the section labelled "Fine Tuning" which talks about the number of threads and the maximum number of connections not give you some ideas about what to look up in the mysql manual> |
| 11:08.05 | xored | themill: there is no such section in my my.cnf |
| 11:08.30 | xored | themill: iam reading the mysql docs, but event : limit mysql threads number does not give me any hits |
| 11:08.33 | themill | xored: ummm.... did you butcher it at some stage? or is your installation quite old. |
| 11:08.47 | themill | (i.e. a sarge install that was upgraded) |
| 11:08.56 | xored | themill: the installation is not a freh etch, its a switch from a sarge |
| 11:09.12 | xored | yes exactly, could you just give me the name of the option |
| 11:09.14 | simonrvn | (try woody ;p) |
| 11:09.17 | yangx | wols: works |
| 11:09.18 | xored | i will look the rest up in the docs |
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| 11:10.04 | themill | xored: the options that you should look up are (afaict): thread_cacne_size, max_connections, thread_concurrency |
| 11:10.13 | yangx | wols: I will try to add a kernel -486 over -686 for this core2duo processor...I am able to boot the debian live CD on this machine which uses 2.6.21-486 |
| 11:10.22 | simonrvn | oh the birds are awake :) |
| 11:10.35 | xored | themill: that does not limit the number of threads. i have lowered them all |
| 11:11.21 | themill | xored: interestingly, my old sarge->etch boxen have that "fine tuning" parameter in them. Perhaps I let the upgrade install a new config file though.... |
| 11:11.42 | xored | themill: migth be yes |
| 11:11.53 | streuner_ | wols: and that's pretty vs. someone like abrotman... |
| 11:11.54 | xored | i had mysql 4.1 intalled before...long time before |
| 11:12.06 | streuner_ | wols: *HARD* |
| 11:12.07 | themill | xored: why do you want to specifically limit the number of threads not the number of connections? |
| 11:12.19 | xored | themill: its my home server |
| 11:12.32 | xored | themill: the server has 256 ram, mysql eats 200 |
| 11:12.54 | xored | themill: and the only thing it does right now is helping my a dovecot mysql aut |
| 11:12.58 | xored | for one user, me |
| 11:13.12 | xored | and from time to time some web development |
| 11:13.30 | xored | i just want to let mysql use nearly no mem ( being slowly is no problem in that case ) |
| 11:14.11 | simonrvn | mines eats about 180-190 ... |
| 11:14.15 | simonrvn | on 320 |
| 11:14.33 | themill | xored: perhaps look at reducing the timeout on connections so that they get cleaned up sooner would help you. |
| 11:15.02 | xored | simonrvn: my mysql on my production system eats 1GB |
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| 11:15.21 | xored | i know how to tune the speed, but i dont know how to limit the use of ram |
| 11:15.32 | simonrvn | effing bloatware ;) |
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| 11:15.52 | coolb_ | I have a TV card and modules loaded, how would I find out where the device is in /dev ? |
| 11:17.11 | themill | xoreed: hmmm... I'm running mysql on my laptop here just to do some web dev work and it's using 110MB when idle... never noticed that. yuck. |
| 11:17.29 | xored | themill: same as i do...but its sensless |
| 11:17.47 | xored | themill: as the number of "connections" to your laptop will be arround 2 in 1 minute .. |
| 11:18.05 | simonrvn | postmaster never did that sort of thing |
| 11:18.45 | themill | xored: have you tried changing its cache sizes? it caches queries for speed and the default sizes for them are 32MB or so. |
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| 11:19.16 | xored | my cache is below 1MB all |
| 11:19.20 | simonrvn | live it would run at 250 before i tuned it down... |
| 11:19.23 | xored | even below 500KB |
| 11:19.45 | simonrvn | 188m 20m 167m 0.0 6.8 3:53.40 mysql |
| 11:19.47 | xored | tuning mysql is never using less ram |
| 11:19.53 | xored | its the opposite |
| 11:20.04 | xored | letting it cache the way and the maximum the way you need |
| 11:20.10 | xored | thats speeding up..nothing more |
| 11:20.23 | simonrvn | well i didn't have a choice here. was either let the fucker suck up all the system mem or make it slower |
| 11:20.24 | xored | and letting enaugh room for other apps |
| 11:20.41 | xored | simonrvn: there are excellent ways to tune mysql |
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| 11:20.56 | xored | letting it use 200MB could have 100% diffrence between speed |
| 11:21.06 | simonrvn | well i'm no pro, i did what i could with my limited skills |
| 11:21.25 | xored | its always the type of db / appplication. much tables or / many queries / long qries or big one etc |
| 11:21.28 | xored | you have to fine tun |
| 11:21.44 | simonrvn | i try to use innodb instead of myisam |
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| 11:22.22 | xored | thats the way |
| 11:22.26 | xored | to make it even slower :) |
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| 11:22.43 | simonrvn | i found the opposite |
| 11:23.00 | xored | innodb is doing a lot of locking to be ACID |
| 11:23.08 | themill | xored: key_buffer_size ? |
| 11:23.31 | xored | below 1MB |
| 11:23.58 | simonrvn | this is a ppc box ;) |
| 11:24.29 | xored | http://pastebin.ca/663198 |
| 11:24.33 | themill | xored: I presume that you are doing things like restarting mysql after changes and that you have verified that the config file is indeed being read in at all |
| 11:24.40 | xored | themill: sure :) |
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| 11:24.49 | themill | thought so... just worth checking ;) |
| 11:25.16 | themill | is 0 a special value for thread_cache_size? |
| 11:26.21 | simonrvn | (yes i do think certain things would matter and differ on a different arched machine) |
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| 11:28.51 | putridp | enouf, simonrvn: Re: my problem with swap over nfs and 'file has holes' error in dmesg. I successfully started a swapfile on a local usb drive, but when the same drive is mounted over nfs it fails with the 'file has holes' error. $man swapon does say "Swap over NFS may not work" so perhaps I shouldn't be surprised! |
| 11:30.12 | themill | xored: well.. at this stage I'm just googling around and I'm unlikely to come up with anything better than you anyway. Sorry! Perhaps ask in a mysql-specific forum? either in their web forums or on #mysql (which I presume exists :) |
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| 11:31.17 | uberspaced | howdy. |
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| 11:31.56 | uberspaced | I have a kerberos setup that will authenticate users with their kerberos password, but it wont automagically authenticate them when they kinit |
| 11:32.04 | uberspaced | (over ssh) |
| 11:32.23 | uberspaced | is there a good document that I can read about getting ssh to automatically let people in who have a valid kerberos ticket? |
| 11:32.47 | themill | uberspaced: have you told ssh to use pam? |
| 11:33.19 | uberspaced | I dont believe so. |
| 11:33.31 | uberspaced | that and in the pam admin guid it mentions kerb 4, not kerb 5 |
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| 11:33.43 | simonrvn | man sshd_config; gssapi stuff; use pam; use the pam_krb5; |
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| 11:34.01 | uberspaced | simonrvn, ok. |
| 11:34.03 | spheard | !pdf |
| 11:34.03 | dpkg | well, pdf is Pretty Dumb Format, or the Portable Document Format created by Adobe to replace PS for use with Acrobat or viewable with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf/evince, adobe reader (free download, but closed source) or gv/gnome-gv. use ps.gz instead! |
| 11:34.14 | simonrvn | GSSAPI is specifically for kerby5 |
| 11:34.21 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 11:34.59 | themill | uberspaced: I certainly have my sshd authorising against krb5 server to check username/passwords, but I'm not sure about getting ssh to use the kerberos ticket rather than a password. (I assume it can be done, I've just not done so ;) |
| 11:35.06 | enouf | putridp: not sure either .. :-( , thanks for reporting back though ;-) maybe try smaller multiple swaps, not an issue for linux to use |
| 11:35.14 | themill | uberspaced: s/authorising/authenticating/ |
| 11:35.17 | spheard | does anyone know how the php pdflib thing goes together? Im quite confused on how to impliment it |
| 11:35.28 | uberspaced | themill, yeah, i'm sure it can be done too. |
| 11:36.20 | themill | uberspaced: perhaps of use: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/DOC/83final/BA548_90007/ch06s03.html |
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| 11:37.02 | themill | spheard: I've only used fpdf and tcpdf not php's pdflib. Isn't the built-in pdflib non-free or something anyway? |
| 11:38.08 | themill | uberspaced: I have to say that I never thought I'd find any openvms docs useful... but that one looks like it might be! |
| 11:38.32 | putridp | enouf: Trying smaller swap files seems a good idea. Do you think the rsize and wsize mount options (in /etc/fstab) would make any difference? Currently they're set at 32768 in an attempt to increase performance. |
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| 11:39.19 | uberspaced | themill, i dunno; i'm pretty sure it has something to do with me getting openssh to authenticate against the krb5 pam module that will automatically check for a forwardable ticket. |
| 11:39.41 | enouf | putridp: oh, apologies, i just don't know about those options - and try to use a partition(s) rather than files |
| 11:40.15 | enouf | putridp: /i try to use a partition.../ |
| 11:40.39 | putridp | enouf: Okay thanks for the tips. Maybe I'll just buy some more memory ;-) |
| 11:41.09 | enouf | putridp: haha - there ya go ;-) -- watch your disk space too (you mentioned possiblt low a bit on space) |
| 11:41.16 | enouf | s/possibly/ |
| 11:41.21 | themill | uberspaced: if you have usepam yes in your sshd_config and install the package libpam-krb5 then that's a good start. There'a good howto in the README.Debian for that last package. |
| 11:41.46 | uberspaced | themill, actually, i'm in the middle of editing /etc/pam.d/ssh to add that garbage ;) |
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| 11:42.42 | themill | uberspaced: :) |
| 11:42.53 | uberspaced | it's cool that the services are separated into different files; nice to know if i hose my ssh stuff that I wont lock myself out. |
| 11:43.18 | uberspaced | when I edit anything under the pam.d dir, is there a service that I have to restart? |
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| 11:43.59 | enouf | well, the /login file would need a relogin ;-) |
| 11:44.07 | enouf | (afaict) |
| 11:44.30 | uberspaced | i restarted ssh, and logged in. hrm. still asks for a password. |
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| 11:48.21 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 11:48.31 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 11:49.22 | xored | themill: i was eating. thank you for the advices |
| 11:50.23 | themill | xored: np. hope you get it sorted out. (and sorry for assuming that you'd not read the docs first... you're unusual ;) |
| 11:50.43 | uberspaced | gah. must go read for 2 hours. thanks for the help. |
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| 11:51.45 | liable | hrm, my ssh sessions have just started timing out |
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| 11:53.49 | Qaira | hello all, i have recently bought a Dell lappy (Dell Inspiron 640) and when installed the mouse was not properly configured, the wheel does not work |
| 11:54.00 | Qaira | could anyone help please? |
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| 11:54.12 | Qaira | i have checked it online here: http://krammer.info/it/debiandell-inspiron-640m/ |
| 11:54.45 | Qaira | where the article is exactly for the model of my lappy but he doesn't say anything about mouse configuration |
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| 11:56.06 | tarek_ | when running ./configure i get some answers with no. is there a program that installs the missing files automatically? |
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| 11:56.37 | wols | no |
| 11:56.49 | Hoxzer | well, depends |
| 11:56.55 | wols | when you compile stuff on your own this way you're supposed to know how it all works and what it needs |
| 11:56.56 | tarek_ | because there are some files that needed to be installed |
| 11:57.14 | tarek_ | and i dont know how to find them |
| 11:57.14 | wols | apt has apt-get build and depends |
| 11:57.24 | Hoxzer | if you are installing from source which is got with "apt-get source .." then you build-dep |
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| 11:57.42 | tarek_ | slowly come again please |
| 11:57.44 | wols | Hoxzer: then he won't run ./configure |
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| 11:58.01 | wols | tarek_: tell us what is missing (pastebin the output) and we might be able to help |
| 11:58.06 | Hoxzer | :( yeahh |
| 11:58.10 | tarek_ | ok |
| 11:58.20 | tarek_ | checking for poll in -lpoll... no |
| 11:58.20 | tarek_ | checking CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h usability... no |
| 11:58.20 | tarek_ | checking CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h presence... no |
| 11:58.28 | tarek_ | checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... no |
| 11:58.28 | tarek_ | checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... no |
| 11:58.36 | tarek_ | checking for main in -lcompat... no |
| 11:58.45 | tarek_ | checking for strlcpy... no |
| 11:58.48 | Hoxzer | use pastebin please. |
| 11:58.54 | tarek_ | how? |
| 11:58.57 | Selenolycus | tarek_: http://pastebin.org |
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| 11:59.21 | Selenolycus | Just copy and paste the output, and give us the link. |
| 11:59.50 | tarek_ | ok give me a sec |
| 12:00.15 | \amethyst | tarek_: not all of the answers are supposed to be yes |
| 12:00.50 | tarek_ | ill just paste what is with no |
| 12:00.50 | Selenolycus | tarek_: Unless it ends with something like... you need X, then you're ok. |
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| 12:01.07 | tarek_ | i have a 64bit laptop and a 32 bit source |
| 12:01.10 | Selenolycus | tarek_: Paste the last few lines, too, regardless of what they say. |
| 12:01.28 | wols | tarek_: what are you trying to compile? name and version |
| 12:01.28 | \amethyst | what do you mean "32 bit source"? |
| 12:01.35 | Selenolycus | That is what tells you whether or not to procede. |
| 12:02.20 | tarek_ | kontrollerlab-0.8.0-alpha1 |
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| 12:02.23 | \amethyst | tarek_: of the things you pasted above, I don't think any of them should be yes on Linux |
| 12:02.45 | tarek_ | could be but i cannot continue with make |
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| 12:03.47 | \amethyst | tarek_: that's a KDE program, right? |
| 12:04.02 | tarek_ | i guess |
| 12:04.18 | tarek_ | since im using gnome that is what i also figured |
| 12:04.33 | \amethyst | tarek_: try apt-get install kde-devel and re-running configure |
| 12:04.44 | \amethyst | s/re-running/then re-run |
| 12:05.18 | tarek_ | \amethyst: working on it |
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| 12:14.19 | rapi | hi all |
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| 12:19.44 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:19.44 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 12:20.49 | RvGaTe | any nvidia drivers out yet for kernel image 2.4.21 on lenny ? :S |
| 12:20.59 | RvGaTe | (k7) |
| 12:21.44 | tarek_ | now i got all the kde programs here |
| 12:22.06 | tarek_ | and apparently the installation went good but i still cant find it with altF2 |
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| 12:24.58 | Havis | !ping |
| 12:24.58 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:25.04 | Havis | #ping |
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| 12:26.06 | wols | RvGaTe: what prevents you from uses m-a? |
| 12:26.26 | wols | !sendmail |
| 12:26.26 | dpkg | i guess sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
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| 12:27.44 | ma3x | how do I resize my system partition? should I boot with live cd or is there any other way? |
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| 12:30.23 | jeffwheeler | ack -- so much for my uptime; `sudo ifdown eth1` |
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| 12:30.53 | xand | jeffwheeler: how does that effect uptime? |
| 12:31.05 | yangx | Every time I bring up the interface with ifup I get a bunch of IPTABLES rules , and then i cannot ping anything else than the local interface , If I flush those rules I cannot ping anything anymore |
| 12:31.24 | jeffwheeler | xand: I can only conveniently connect to the machine via ssh, and that closed my connection |
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| 12:31.38 | xand | jeffwheeler: uptime = time since boot? |
| 12:31.55 | jeffwheeler | xand: yeah; easiest way was to just reboot and have it automatically ifup |
| 12:32.06 | xand | oh |
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| 12:34.35 | |porta| | With adding debian to an existing boot menu do i only point to the partition of debian? |
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| 12:36.38 | xored | guys suddenly, when someone acces ( just a single read ) a smb drive, the CPU usage of smbd is popping up to 50% |
| 12:36.45 | xored | includint its extrem slowly |
| 12:38.02 | xored | guys suddenly, when someone acces ( just a single read ) a smb drive, the CPU usage of smbd is popping up to 50%. Therefore its extremly slow |
| 12:38.06 | xored | sorry. |
| 12:38.09 | xored | for the 2x post |
| 12:38.58 | moshii | is there any server/client applications for push mail in debian? |
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| 12:39.44 | uberspaced | hehe, it works from one machine to another, but now I need to figure out why |
| 12:39.58 | uberspaced | i think i just need to install libpam-krb5 and ssh-krb5 |
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| 12:40.28 | uberspaced | and tweak some thingies. but automatically logging in with kerb credentials is working. yay. |
| 12:41.02 | uberspaced | what is initially confusing is that sshd_config has a kerberos password section. I think that should be ignored |
| 12:41.50 | uberspaced | and in the libpam-krb5 docs he says 'put' the configuration in but he doesn't tell where with respect to all of the other configuration directives. |
| 12:41.50 | uberspaced | so, i think putting them at the top of the files is what should be done. |
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| 12:43.22 | niksie | Hi all |
| 12:43.22 | themill | uberspaced: glad you've made some progress. If you work out improved instructions, then please post wishlist bugs against the packages. If you feel like making a real patch, then the maintainer will be even happier. The libpam-krb5 stuff can actually be put anywhere in those pam.d/common-* files. You normally want to comment out the existing entry though. |
| 12:43.56 | uberspaced | ok; hrm. I dont know what combination of things should be done if the files aren't order specific |
| 12:44.20 | niksie | I have two exactly identical computers, one just has a slower chip, but asside from that they're exactly the same, motherboard and BIOS wise. Yet when I take the mirrored (linux software RAID) HD from one computer and put it in the other computer, the ethernet cards aren't found |
| 12:44.23 | uberspaced | because i have 2 almost identical systems set up with almost the same config stuff but in different orders and I have no idea why one works and the other doesnt. |
| 12:44.28 | niksie | If I do ifconfig eth0 I get this: |
| 12:45.06 | tarek_ | getting the kde development files didnt help me |
| 12:45.08 | tarek_ | at all |
| 12:45.27 | uberspaced | i have a box that hasn't been touched that i'm going to work on right now; so i'll have more answers in a bit. |
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| 12:46.36 | niksie | SCIOADDR: No such device found |
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| 12:48.31 | themill | uberspaced: the pam.d files are order-dependent, but IIRC I removed everything that wasn't in that libpam-krb5 howto anyway |
| 12:49.23 | uberspaced | themill, I'm not too sure which howto you are referring to; I read the README.Debian that came with the package. |
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| 12:50.16 | mosty | niksie, compare the lspci outputs? can you see the ethernet cards in both machines? |
| 12:50.31 | xored | should i use a 686 kernel for an pentium III ? |
| 12:50.35 | uberspaced | should the /etc/krb5.keytab of a host be only readable by root? |
| 12:50.41 | Nibbler | why does my lenny not have or know mkfs.vfat? |
| 12:50.42 | uberspaced | i know, noob question and what not |
| 12:50.53 | uberspaced | I'm doin all of this at home for funzies. |
| 12:51.05 | niksie | mosty, well, I don't have lspci installed on that box, but I can cat /proc/interrupts and I see that the ethernet cards have not been assigned an interrupt |
| 12:51.27 | abrotman | xored: yes |
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| 12:51.57 | abrotman | Nibbler: you have to install it |
| 12:52.07 | Nibbler | abrotman, what package is it in?? |
| 12:52.15 | moshii | xored: it's the best possible one to use :) |
| 12:52.17 | abrotman | Nibbler: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:52.23 | abrotman | i think dosfstools .. but i'm not sure |
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| 12:52.31 | moshii | xored: install the i686 libc also if it isn't already |
| 12:52.41 | Nibbler | ah oki |
| 12:52.47 | mosty | Niklas-_, install pciutils then try it |
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| 12:52.55 | mosty | niksie, rather |
| 12:53.01 | niksie | and when I boot with knoppix it does work |
| 12:53.04 | xored | abrotman: iam having issues with the performance of samba. Its only one machine accessing, but samba CPU use is jumpung up to 50% and its extremly slow. Could that be a kernel problem |
| 12:53.16 | xored | i know that i did not had such a slow perf. before with sarge |
| 12:53.19 | themill | uberspaced: yes, sorry, that's the one that I mean. |
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| 12:53.21 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | hey, yesterday i installed my nvidia driver, everythink worked fine but, EVERYTIME i restart my computer, i have to reinstall the driver, why? |
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| 12:53.44 | niksie | mosty: alright |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | xored: could be a dns issue maybe ? dunno |
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| 12:53.58 | uberspaced | themill, in that case, while I was modifying the files under pam.d I did look for dupe entries and commented them out if they were there. |
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| 12:54.07 | niksie | mosty: think I might be able to copy lspci from the knoppix disk? |
| 12:54.09 | uberspaced | for the machine that works, I put the entries above everything. |
| 12:54.18 | uberspaced | on the machine that doesnt work, I put the entries below everything |
| 12:54.25 | xored | abrotman: hmm that could realy be.i disabled the DNS settings..but its not that it takes long on finding the server, each "klick" on a directory makes this load |
| 12:54.28 | mosty | niksie, copy the deb then dpkg -i it |
| 12:54.33 | niksie | actually, I could download the package under knoppix |
| 12:54.34 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | hey, yesterday i installed my nvidia driver, everythink worked fine but, EVERYTIME i restart my computer, i have to reinstall the driver, why? |
| 12:54.35 | xored | abrotman: dns settings = dns server |
| 12:54.38 | niksie | right :D |
| 12:54.42 | uberspaced | i'll know soon; i have krb5.conf and keytab on the box that i'm going to test this on; now I just need to config. |
| 12:55.02 | abrotman | xored: are there lots of files in the directories |
| 12:55.19 | xored | abrotman: no, even if there are 2 |
| 12:55.33 | xored | the whole share is small |
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| 12:55.47 | moshii | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: maybe you don't have to reinstall install.. just make sure the modules etc are getting loaded on boot |
| 12:55.51 | abrotman | xored: are you running nmbd on both machines ? |
| 12:55.53 | hark | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 12:55.57 | moshii | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: reinstall it |
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| 12:56.15 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | yes i did |
| 12:56.15 | abrotman | moshii: he just said he does that every time he boots his machine :) |
| 12:56.21 | xored | abrotman: the client is windows, server is etch |
| 12:56.38 | abrotman | xored: is the windows firewall on ? |
| 12:56.46 | xored | abrotman: no |
| 12:56.56 | xored | abrotman: 100MBit LAN intern connection |
| 12:57.01 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | no idea about problem? |
| 12:57.15 | moshii | abrotman: second line was a correction to the first |
| 12:57.26 | mosty | niksie, knoppix will have lspci already though |
| 12:57.34 | abrotman | moshii: others had the same issue |
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| 12:57.54 | uberspaced | themill, in common-session, there's an entry: session optional pam_foreground.so |
| 12:57.57 | abrotman | the etch installer has lspci on it |
| 12:58.00 | uberspaced | would it matter if i put the config stuff in after that? |
| 12:58.12 | abrotman | xored: any errors in the logs on the samba server ? |
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| 12:58.58 | niksie | mosty: yeah, but will lspci output be the same under two different kernels? |
| 12:59.29 | niksie | lspci output under knoppix does show the ethernet controllers |
| 12:59.32 | mosty | niksie, should be close enough for your purposes |
| 12:59.44 | abrotman | except that pesky pciid file |
| 12:59.50 | xored | abrotman: one second |
| 13:00.09 | niksie | abrotman: pciid? |
| 13:00.20 | niksie | that sounds like the kind of file I would like to destroy |
| 13:00.29 | abrotman | niksie: there's a program to update-pciids |
| 13:00.32 | uberspaced | also, on insalling ssh-krb5, the server doesnt start up because of a bonked config entry; maybe it's because i'm on an old dist. removing it seems to work (some locale thing) |
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| 13:01.28 | xored | abrotman: not in nmbd / smbd log file |
| 13:01.59 | xored | abrotman: what does that mean : [2007/08/19 14:59:09, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(950) |
| 13:02.12 | niksie | abrotman: what's its name? |
| 13:02.20 | niksie | ah |
| 13:02.22 | niksie | thanks |
| 13:02.45 | uberspaced | (had to comment this out: AcceptEnv LANG LC_*) |
| 13:02.45 | niksie | oh |
| 13:02.48 | niksie | hmm |
| 13:02.50 | abrotman | xored: google |
| 13:02.54 | niksie | well, I'll try it |
| 13:03.00 | niksie | but It might not be what I need |
| 13:03.10 | themill | uberspaced: I'm not an expert on pam stuff and I've got to go off line for a while now.... others can probably help though, so ask the channel again. |
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| 13:03.28 | uberspaced | themill; oh, I was just makin comments. no worries ;) |
| 13:03.50 | uberspaced | when you said you removed some things I assumed you wanted to hear about other things. |
| 13:03.57 | uberspaced | laters. thanks for you help. |
| 13:04.16 | niksie | mosty: do you have any ideas? |
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| 13:04.38 | niksie | when I cat /proc/interrupts under knoppix, I see that eth0 did get an interrupt |
| 13:05.13 | themill | uberspaced: np |
| 13:05.22 | mosty | niksie, anything intesting in dmesg? |
| 13:05.33 | uberspaced | dang, other box didnt work. gonna do a full diff on /etc. |
| 13:06.03 | yangx | Every time I bring up the interface with ifup I get a bunch of IPTABLES rules , and then i cannot ping anything else than the local interface , If I flush those rules I cannot ping anything anymore |
| 13:06.24 | abrotman | don'tflush iptables unless you know what you're doing |
| 13:06.34 | niksie | mosty: the knoppix or the debian one? |
| 13:07.20 | niksie | knoppix just shows the eth0 and eth1 being noticed |
| 13:07.25 | niksie | and created with e1000 |
| 13:08.12 | mosty | niksie, debian |
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| 13:08.44 | niksie | checking now |
| 13:08.57 | jakub_ | how to merge 2 text files ? |
| 13:09.12 | niksie | cat file1 >> file2 |
| 13:09.12 | jakub_ | in console |
| 13:09.21 | niksie | will append file1 to file2 |
| 13:09.23 | jakub_ | thx |
| 13:09.50 | abrotman | or cat file1 file2 > file3 |
| 13:10.08 | jakub_ | and how to unzip files |
| 13:10.11 | jakub_ | by dicetories |
| 13:10.13 | jakub_ | i have 16 files |
| 13:10.24 | jakub_ | and i want to send it to the dicetories of name of zip |
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| 13:12.14 | jakub_ | caution: filename not matched: body_070123.zip |
| 13:12.14 | jakub_ | caution: filename not matched: body_070206.zip |
| 13:12.16 | jakub_ | :o( |
| 13:13.41 | exs | I've got my mate inerested in linux, I really want him to experience the virus free-fast computer linux world. Currently he's given me 50 pounds inwhich to spend on some hardware for him to have the internet, sound and other media stuff enabled (e.g. flash etc) I'll be installing ubuntu, but I am currently trying to find out a heavily supported works-out-of-box USB wi-fi/PCI wi-fi device that I can stick into his computer and have it working aut |
| 13:13.41 | exs | omatically. If there is any solid list of these usb/ppci wi-fi devices that would work like that, then please tell me. Thanks. |
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| 13:14.07 | abrotman | exs: try #ubuntu |
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| 13:15.00 | exs | abrotman: I did, they gave me a shoddy list that had columns such as 'works out of box?' then, 'yes', then 'you need to compile latest drivers from source' This is *NOT* working out-of-box, and i refuse to use such a shocking list of "supported hardware" |
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| 13:15.30 | abrotman | exs: this is #debian .. we have no idea what does/does not work with ubuntu |
| 13:16.05 | exs | abrotman: firstly, it shares the same linux kernal as all the other linux's, secondly, ubuntu is based on debian |
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| 13:16.47 | abrotman | exs: firstly, ubuntu patches their kernel and distributes blobs that debian doesn't, secondly many distros are based on debian .. we don't know anything about them either |
| 13:17.01 | CharminTheMoose | can anyone tell me why the text is so messed up at the bottom of this screenshot in this app? what damn library did I not compile the program with? http://downstairscomputer.no-ip.org:81/get/messed.jpg |
| 13:17.13 | exs | abrotman: you're telling me ubuntu strips out the debian drivers? |
| 13:17.29 | mosty | exs: we're telling you that #ubuntu is the place for ubuntu support |
| 13:17.30 | exs | abrotman: you're telling me ubuntu strips out the drivers which are stored within linux kernel? |
| 13:17.35 | abrotman | ah .. we use different kernels, and allow different binary blobs |
| 13:17.46 | exs | mosty: and I'm telling both of you that I've asked already and got a shocking list |
| 13:18.10 | abrotman | exs: then try ##kernel or ##linux |
| 13:18.54 | wirefire | hi im using debian etch with fluxbox anyone recommend any good file managers? |
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| 13:19.04 | abrotman | xfe or gentoo |
| 13:19.28 | niksie | hmm |
| 13:20.13 | wirefire | abrotman, ty |
| 13:20.18 | exs | let me quote something from that list of supported wifi that the ubuntu community suggests for me to go to, under the 'works out of box?' it says "Detected and loaded OK. I have not tested actual connection." |
| 13:20.22 | zicho | Use the terminal, thats what i do anyway. |
| 13:20.37 | rstob911 | abrotman: you are a very very patient man lol |
| 13:22.12 | niksie | would ACPI: PCI Interrupt link LNKD IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 10 11 12 disabled mean something? |
| 13:22.32 | niksie | hmm |
| 13:22.35 | niksie | pci=routeirq |
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| 13:23.13 | davis | hello |
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| 13:23.27 | davis | what is the tool which does automounting of usb thumbdrives |
| 13:23.58 | zicho | do you have problems with usb mass storage? |
| 13:24.06 | Ronin | *cough* abrotman and patient in the same sentence? |
| 13:24.28 | abrotman | i was just going to let it slide :) |
| 13:24.33 | davis | i have it configured now, so that I need to do mount command to get the thumbdrive mounted. |
| 13:24.44 | zicho | mine is not working =/ |
| 13:24.50 | davis | i've seen it before where just inserting it will cause it mount it. |
| 13:25.02 | davis | err, cause it to mount it. |
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| 13:25.15 | zicho | When i insert mine, it mounts, and then unmounts automatically. |
| 13:25.34 | davis | hmm. did you build your own kernel? |
| 13:25.53 | zicho | no. |
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| 13:25.59 | zicho | but it worked before |
| 13:26.19 | rapsys_ | hi, i get a TFTP open timeout while trying to boot on my pxe server |
| 13:26.30 | davis | i built mine. I was going to suggest some kernel options to check. if you got a prebuilt there is no need for me to do that. |
| 13:26.47 | rapsys_ | tcpdump the 69 port on server issue that : 15:24:36.162784 IP 192.168.0.254.2070 > 192.168.0.1.tftp: 37 RRQ "/X86PC/linux/linux.0" octet tsize 0 |
| 13:26.50 | davis | what happens if you use the root prompt to mount the usb drive? |
| 13:26.58 | rapsys_ | any idea why it may fail ? |
| 13:27.09 | rapsys_ | (i get a PXE-E32 error too) |
| 13:27.11 | rapsys_ | on client |
| 13:27.22 | rapsys_ | i have no firewall or anything |
| 13:27.32 | davis | rapsys_: dd you use tcpdump to see the traffic between the two hosts? |
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| 13:28.05 | rapsys_ | davis: i did a tcpdump port 69 on server |
| 13:28.12 | rapsys_ | to see what's going on |
| 13:28.35 | rapsys_ | it seems the client try get the size of linux.0 and fail |
| 13:28.42 | niksie | when I rmmod and modprobe e1000 I see that the kernel finds it, and it then says ACPI: PCI Interrupt 00000:04:04.0[A] > GSI 17 (level, low) > IRQ 16 |
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| 13:29.06 | DustyBin | im trying to remove a kernel module with modprobe -r but it says 'FATAL: Module lirc_serial not found.' but that kernel module is there because i can see it with lsmod ? |
| 13:29.19 | niksie | It even does the same thing twice for the two different cards in there |
| 13:29.39 | niksie | actaully, no it only sees eth0 |
| 13:29.48 | niksie | on two different PCI addresses |
| 13:29.54 | niksie | and the same IRQ |
| 13:30.10 | davis | rapsys_: did you examine /etc/inetd.conf to see how it is starting tftpd? |
| 13:30.35 | davis | usually, the files are in a different dir than what the server is configured to serve from. |
| 13:31.00 | davis | i prefer /tftpboot, but i think in that config file, it will be something like in.tftpd /boot |
| 13:31.02 | zicho | davis: Doh. I know what the rror is now, i think. |
| 13:31.11 | xushi_3 | argh! I say `apt-get install mysql-server-4.1` and it installs 5.0.32 ... |
| 13:31.26 | rapsys_ | davis: it use xinetd to start |
| 13:31.26 | davis | xushi_3: yikes |
| 13:31.33 | zicho | davis: It is a hardware error, my usb-contact is weird |
| 13:31.42 | xushi | how could something like this happen |
| 13:31.47 | davis | ok very good. |
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| 13:32.21 | davis | xushi: fille a bug. meanwhile install mysqld from tar.gz file. |
| 13:32.31 | xushi | thanks, will do |
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| 13:33.58 | tarek_ | trying to build a 64bit program from the 32bit one |
| 13:34.02 | tarek_ | can someone help me |
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| 13:35.59 | leumaS | Hi! |
| 13:36.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | How would I go about setting up a simple media server? |
| 13:36.20 | rapsys_ | does tcpdump dump only tcp trafic ? |
| 13:36.22 | rapsys_ | or udp too ? |
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| 13:36.43 | niksie | rapsys: depends on the options you pass to it, I think |
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| 13:38.04 | mosty | Dark_Apostrophe, go the the simple media website, read the install documentation? |
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| 13:38.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | mosty: There's an app called Simple Media Server? |
| 13:38.57 | leumaS | I run a Debian testing system on a dual opteron dual-core. so far I've been running the regular 32-bit distribution with a -k7 kernel. now to my question. I see that there are -AMD64 kernels available when I serch with apt-cache is that what I should be running or are they for running the 64-bit distribution of Debian? |
| 13:39.10 | mosty | Dark_Apostrophe, i have no idea. i thought you were asking about a specific piece of software |
| 13:39.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | mosty: I wasn't |
| 13:39.38 | mosty | then you will have to be more specific. a simple media server could mean anything |
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| 13:43.50 | leafwiz | How do you export a program variable to the shell variable ? I'm making a little script where I would like to save one of the variables |
| 13:44.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | mosty: Well, I meant it as a server that serves videos, audios etc over LAN |
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| 13:44.47 | chrisjw | leafwiz, you can add shell variables for bash using /etc/profile |
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| 13:44.54 | mosty | Dark_Apostrophe, samba? |
| 13:44.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please tell me what's gone wrong here? http://paste.debian.net/34954 |
| 13:45.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | mosty: I don't want it to send the files, but rather streams of them |
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| 13:45.45 | mosty | leafwiz, you can't do it directly from the child process. only the parent process can do that |
| 13:45.46 | chrisjw | dark, you're missing aheader file, or so it seems |
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| 13:46.38 | leafwiz | mosty: okay, so how do I store a variable for another script run.. In a file? |
| 13:47.14 | leafwiz | I have a counter, and everytime the script is run I want that counter to increase |
| 13:47.26 | mosty | leafwiz, you can do "source script.sh" to run a script in the current process |
| 13:47.27 | |porta| | Where may i find a boot string for debian? need to add a debian to existing Grub. |
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| 13:48.07 | mosty | leafwiz, otherwise, you can have the child process print to standard output or to a file, and have the parent process read that data and set variables itself |
| 13:48.36 | leafwiz | okay, but the parent process is the shell |
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| 13:49.03 | leafwiz | So the best way, is just to store the counter in a file? |
| 13:49.27 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: http://linux-sound.org/netaudio.html take your pic -- some ppl like mpd |
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| 13:49.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Ok, thanks |
| 13:49.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: But also videos |
| 13:49.56 | mosty | leafwiz, probably simplest to print the counter to standard output, and have the parent process read from that |
| 13:50.04 | niksie | meh, it just seems that the e1000 driver loads the first ethernet card at eth0, then forgets that it did and loads the second card there as well, and afterwards I can see neither of them |
| 13:50.19 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: you want the world eh? :-P |
| 13:50.28 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: ever hear of mythtv? |
| 13:50.58 | Noborusan | abrotman, hi |
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| 13:51.46 | enouf | niksie: make sure /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules has correct entries for each iface |
| 13:51.58 | leafwiz | mosty: I see.. return the counter with a return statement |
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| 13:52.38 | niksie | enouf: ok |
| 13:52.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: I don't have a TV card |
| 13:53.01 | mosty | leafwiz, no, print to standard output |
| 13:53.05 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: and? |
| 13:53.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Never mind |
| 13:53.54 | leafwiz | mosty: ah.. I see. Okay I'll try that |
| 13:54.27 | niksie | is it alright to copy the pciids file from knoppix to debian? |
| 13:54.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please tell me what to do about this compilation error? http://paste.debian.net/34954 |
| 13:54.52 | enouf | niksie: you can just run update-pciids within debian |
| 13:55.06 | mosty | leafwiz: in the parent script, you can do something like: prog | while read line ; do echo "line: $line" ; done |
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| 13:56.01 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: possibly http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=hd.h&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 13:56.43 | niksie | enouf: my network cards don't work yet |
| 13:57.05 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: you need your kernel headers |
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| 13:57.16 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: you shouldn't crosspost either |
| 13:57.19 | |porta| | Where can i find a list of how to boot debian from another partition? |
| 13:57.32 | wols | enouf: tell me where hd.h is int he kernel headers package please |
| 13:57.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Crosspost? |
| 13:57.55 | enouf | wols: linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686/include/config/blk/dev/hd.h |
| 13:57.57 | wols | pocukrani: makes no sense. restate question |
| 13:58.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Asking in multiple channels you mean? |
| 13:58.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Why not? It increases the chances of someone knowing the answer |
| 13:58.27 | wols | enouf: strangely enough in latter kernels this doesn't seem to be there anymore. e.g. not in 2.6.18 |
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| 13:58.49 | wols | enouf: otherwise packages.debian.org would know about it |
| 13:58.49 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: so when two people start helping you - you just dump one? |
| 13:59.03 | enouf | wols: makes sense |
| 13:59.05 | wols | enouf: where did he crosspost? |
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| 13:59.12 | enouf | wols: ##linux |
| 13:59.20 | silvertip257 | haha there's enouf |
| 13:59.26 | wols | enouf: then lets ##linux help him :) |
| 13:59.32 | leafwiz | mosty: thx |
| 13:59.35 | enouf | silvertip257: yes? ;-) |
| 13:59.40 | silvertip257 | long time no see enouf |
| 14:00.05 | enouf | wols: from now on i will - he didn't do it earlier wghen getting mucho help from xingu and a little from me here - go figure |
| 14:00.12 | pingouin | i got a warning when i shutdown the computer, about that maybe the hard drive may not bu SPUN properly, and it's give an url: linux-ata.org/shutdown.html , but i have no clue about what to do ? (SATA hard drive) any help ? |
| 14:00.18 | enouf | silvertip257: yep, my little busy box ;-) |
| 14:00.22 | Codex_ | I have a problem with X11 mouse cursor jamming every time I do any disk access (for example using apt-get). What could cause this kind of behaviour? |
| 14:00.52 | silvertip257 | pfff I'll finish that someday when I know "enouf" about building a distro |
| 14:01.14 | wols | pingouin: exact error, otherwise it will be hard to help you |
| 14:01.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: No, I listen to both and see which comes up with a working answer, I guess |
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| 14:01.56 | TrueDD | re |
| 14:02.10 | wols | pingouin: http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html#2.%20Why%20do%20I%20need%20to%20update%20shutdown(8)_|outline |
| 14:02.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols, enouf: Okay, sorry, I won't crosspost any more... :/ |
| 14:02.42 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: we will alleviate you from the burden to listen to both. from now on you can listen to ##linux only. have a nice day |
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| 14:03.29 | pingouin | wols: is there a way to read the 'shutdown log message' ? |
| 14:03.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: I'm not usually in ##linux, I was today because I wanted to speak with a dude that hangs out in there, and figured I might as well ask in both since I'm already in there |
| 14:03.45 | pingouin | wols: or i have to shutdown again and write the exact error down |
| 14:04.04 | derjohn | hello, how can I blacklist a certain ide driver in grubshell (appendline)? ahci doesnt run with 4GB on a sb600, I would like to try the "old" atiixp driver, but the initrd always loads ahci .... |
| 14:04.07 | wols | pingouin: read what I pasted which explains it |
| 14:04.29 | wols | derjohn: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:04.38 | enouf | nothing wrong with waiting a few minutes atleast - or is someelses time more valuable than mine? Don;t you see, how just then, wols was obviously searching to help you - and i saw you post in ##linux and would've answered there, but knew you were here (by chance) - ergo, ppl are helping "behind the scenes" already possibly - so wait, have patience, be a somewhat humble person |
| 14:05.16 | enouf | (for lack of a better term) |
| 14:05.25 | pingouin | wols: yeah, i've read that, but, what how can i update shutdown ? |
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| 14:05.37 | pingouin | wols: i run the Debian/Etch one |
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| 14:05.56 | DustyBin | wols: what other distros / OSs do you use apart from debian? |
| 14:05.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Okay, sorry... I didn't know that that was wrong to do :(( |
| 14:07.01 | derjohn | wols, I that all implies I have to install a debian first and then creating initrd ... isnt there a way to do that dynamically with e.g. the debian installer ? |
| 14:07.02 | wols | pingouin: by compiling your own from its cvs or whatever. or wait until debian updates shutdown(8), or stop running non debian approved, stable kernels |
| 14:07.10 | mosty | anyone know how to compile comedi? it appears to be a great big convoluted mess, with no current documentation |
| 14:07.40 | wols | Droolio: you need a custom kernel/custome installer CD then. good luck |
| 14:07.43 | pingouin | wols: ok thank you |
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| 14:07.54 | wols | derjohn: ^^ |
| 14:08.31 | derjohn | wols, I now found: "Modul-Name.blacklist=yes." ... i'll try that. thx for taking care! :) |
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| 14:11.14 | raboof | why is lame not in debian? patent issues? |
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| 14:11.32 | DustyBin | maybe its in non-free |
| 14:11.32 | liable | yep |
| 14:11.52 | enouf | wols: fwiw - one more hd.h http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=hd.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 14:12.30 | enouf | libhd13-dev: usr/include/hd.h <-- wols; an apt-file search found that one |
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| 14:14.05 | |porta| | Is there a list to show how mounting drives is done? |
| 14:15.29 | Noborusan | has anyone ever been in the data-center ? |
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| 14:18.18 | petemc | Noborusan: "the" datacantre? |
| 14:18.45 | Noborusan | petemc, yeah, there has many servers and routers and stuff. |
| 14:18.57 | petemc | i know what a data centre is |
| 14:19.12 | Noborusan | petemc, i went to it last night :) lol |
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| 14:19.47 | Noborusan | petemc, you can't believe it when i was trying to fix my server however i was working on other's server |
| 14:19.57 | Orionisti | Ah, here we go again |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | Noborusan: there is far more than "the" data center |
| 14:20.27 | Orionisti | I fail at changing the ownership of a folder from "root" to my user account |
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| 14:20.56 | rapi | 2.6.22-1-686 |
| 14:21.00 | Noborusan | so after i plug the monitor and a keyboard to it,its strange,i mean i cannot reboot it,then i had to power it off completely then power it back on then i SUNDENLY noticed the windows boot picture on the LCD ,gees that is not my server ! |
| 14:21.08 | rapi | total 20 |
| 14:21.08 | rapi | drwx------ 2 root root 16384 2007-07-21 17:45 lost+found |
| 14:21.08 | rapi | drwxr-xr-x 38 rapi rapi 4096 2007-08-19 16:03 rapi |
| 14:21.11 | Orionisti | I tried "chown -R UserName /path/to/directory" but it did not change it |
| 14:21.26 | Orionisti | all this in root console |
| 14:21.45 | Noborusan | see,i was trying to fix other's server and i have had reboot it many times and i didn't notice |
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| 14:21.52 | lhadie | ah.. has anyone here tried installing netinst debian in VirtualBox? |
| 14:22.11 | Noborusan | abrotman, i don't get it. |
| 14:22.58 | Orionisti | I also tried "chown --reference=/path/to/referencefile /path/to/directory" but to no avail |
| 14:22.59 | wols | enouf: this one in libhd13-dev is the one I told him about |
| 14:23.23 | Orionisti | also with the -R switch |
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| 14:24.03 | abrotman | Orionisti: error ? |
| 14:24.10 | enouf | wols: heh, i missed you entire long like mine p.d.o url ..heh |
| 14:24.14 | Orionisti | I did not see any error message |
| 14:24.17 | enouf | s/your/ |
| 14:24.28 | Orionisti | it just went to the next line |
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| 14:24.59 | enouf | ntfs Orionisti ? |
| 14:25.00 | silvertip257 | I'm not having any luck with configuring alsaconf for my sound card (on my debian etch netinstall) ... error messages here -> http://imageox.com/share/70830-alsaconf_s.png; I tried to use tee to drop it to a txt file, but too many return chars |
| 14:25.22 | Orionisti | no, ext3 |
| 14:25.25 | enouf | i picture? ;-P |
| 14:25.35 | silvertip257 | enouf: read ^^ |
| 14:25.49 | silvertip257 | ;) |
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| 14:26.18 | enouf | silvertip257: omg,. my eyeballs just fell out |
| 14:26.22 | silvertip257 | ? |
| 14:26.26 | silvertip257 | lovely pic eh? |
| 14:26.33 | silvertip257 | what did I do wrong? |
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| 14:28.13 | Orionisti | o_O |
| 14:28.17 | Orionisti | Konqueror doesn't start |
| 14:28.18 | silvertip257 | :( |
| 14:28.22 | silvertip257 | o |
| 14:28.26 | Orionisti | it loads for a while and the gives up |
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| 14:29.52 | HugLeo | I need a operator to block the user Still_Dre because he flood in channel #ubuntu-br. Do anybody help? |
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| 14:30.49 | abrotman | HugLeo: /stats p |
| 14:30.50 | niksie | enouf: thank you so much! |
| 14:31.02 | niksie | it was the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:31.05 | raboof | looks like lame isn't in non-free either. non-US died, right? ;) |
| 14:31.09 | abrotman | HugLeo: or get a channel op in that channel to do it |
| 14:31.14 | niksie | I've been fighting with this for two days |
| 14:31.18 | enouf | silvertip257: nothing, till i zoomed in, it looked like chicken scratch |
| 14:31.30 | enouf | niksie: welcome ;-) |
| 14:31.30 | silvertip257 | lmao enouf - pff bad eyes ;) |
| 14:31.47 | enouf | silvertip257: anyways, why is an isa module loading? |
| 14:31.53 | silvertip257 | idk |
| 14:31.58 | pace17 | is there a channel to talk about hardware or trouble shooting computers around here? |
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| 14:32.04 | abrotman | #hardware |
| 14:32.05 | silvertip257 | I chose the other one not the legacy one _ enouf |
| 14:32.09 | eth01 | how do i find out what ram I have? |
| 14:32.16 | Noborusan | abrotman, are you an admin ? |
| 14:32.22 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:32.24 | rsk | eth01: with lshw |
| 14:32.25 | abrotman | admin for what ? |
| 14:32.39 | Noborusan | abrotman, how come you know so much things about debian and linux ? |
| 14:32.59 | abrotman | Noborusan: some day hopefully you will too |
| 14:33.15 | liable | because he wastes his time here instead of working! |
| 14:33.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:33.32 | eth01 | -bash: lshw: command not found |
| 14:33.34 | eth01 | heh |
| 14:33.39 | rsk | install it then |
| 14:33.44 | Noborusan | abrotman, :) |
| 14:34.05 | Noborusan | abrotman, can i ask a firewall thing ? |
| 14:34.15 | abrotman | you can try |
| 14:34.52 | jetscreamer | there are no firewalls |
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| 14:35.22 | eth01 | ok ty |
| 14:35.28 | jetscreamer | yw |
| 14:35.28 | Coke | Any idea how to convert WMA files to something decent? I have tried using mencoder, but it claims it needs a video stream and quits. |
| 14:35.29 | Noborusan | abrotman, how do you call this thing in enlish ? usually, in a data-centra, it has 3 layer, the core layer--??? layer--- connecting layer<cusumers server are connected to here> |
| 14:35.31 | HugLeo | abrotman: Thanks. Work done! |
| 14:35.39 | Noborusan | abrotman, i mean the one in the middile |
| 14:35.44 | silvertip257 | abrotman> I'm not having any luck with configuring alsaconf for my sound card (on my debian etch netinstall) ... error messages here -> http://imageox.com/share/70830-alsaconf_s.png; I tried to use tee to drop it to a txt file, but too many return chars |
| 14:35.49 | jetscreamer | mencoder will work |
| 14:35.51 | enouf | silvertip257: i don't know mate .. |
| 14:35.55 | jetscreamer | try #mplayer |
| 14:35.57 | silvertip257 | ok ty enouf |
| 14:36.01 | jetscreamer | see also avidemux |
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| 14:36.41 | cinex | hi |
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| 14:37.32 | abrotman | Noborusan: the OSI model ? |
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| 14:38.13 | xand | HELLO |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | silvertip257: maybe ask #alsa |
| 14:38.18 | snowbird | hello |
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| 14:40.48 | Noborusan | hmmm |
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| 14:41.16 | dokma | hi people |
| 14:41.32 | dokma | I am trying to figure out why my quanta editor ftp conn times out very soon |
| 14:41.35 | enouf | Orionisti: the chown -R user /path/to/files might not work on ext3, i guess if certain mount options are employed on that partition - never had an issue myself |
| 14:41.40 | silvertip257 | ok thanks abrotman |
| 14:41.53 | Noborusan | abrotman, probably, the second layer in the OSI model |
| 14:41.55 | dokma | it might be because of the socket timeout |
| 14:42.04 | dokma | anyone knows where is socket timeout set? |
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| 14:42.24 | abrotman | Noborusan: wikipedia |
| 14:42.30 | Noborusan | abrotman, my ISP told me,if connects to the second layer,no firewall protecting ,how come |
| 14:42.34 | enouf | silvertip257: also visit alsa-project.org perhaps |
| 14:42.44 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 14:43.00 | asg | Noborusan: most firewalls operate a layer 3 or higher. ebtables can be used to do layer 2 filtering though. |
| 14:43.23 | enouf | silvertip257: a faq here http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ |
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| 14:43.44 | Noborusan | asg, i m confused, so my ISP wasn't lying ? |
| 14:44.09 | enouf | silvertip257: can go up to top level, is a wiki |
| 14:44.29 | cyzie | hi, is it possible to send mail to gmail something like this $echo "testing" | mail cyzie@gmail.com without MTA install? |
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| 14:44.38 | silvertip257 | thanks enouf |
| 14:45.02 | petemc | cyzie: no |
| 14:45.17 | cyzie | petemc, why? |
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| 14:45.38 | petemc | cyzie: because you need a mail transport agent to transport the mail |
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| 14:46.29 | petemc | cyzie: there are mail user agents that can talk smtp to a remote server, but using the method you described needs something installed locally |
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| 14:46.44 | cyzie | ok petemc let say i install postfix and start postfix, and reapply the command i stated earlier, will it work ? |
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| 14:46.54 | Noborusan | asg, you meant iptables ? |
| 14:46.54 | petemc | if postfix is configured, sure |
| 14:47.14 | cyzie | petemc, dpkg-reconfigure postfix? |
| 14:47.21 | petemc | that would work |
| 14:47.40 | simprix | Im getting this error when I try to run apt-get update. W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 14:48.35 | cyzie | petemc, i dont need receiving email, i just need to send email like the command i pasted earlier, is there any simple howto ? |
| 14:49.03 | petemc | cyzie: using debonf should be enough |
| 14:49.14 | enouf | Noborusan: http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/documentation.html |
| 14:49.17 | jetscreamer | etch keyring |
| 14:49.22 | jetscreamer | !etch keyring |
| 14:49.29 | jetscreamer | oh /topic |
| 14:49.30 | Noborusan | enouf, thanks. |
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| 14:49.41 | jetscreamer | !no public key |
| 14:49.41 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 14:49.43 | enouf | np ;-) |
| 14:49.53 | Orionisti | oh joy |
| 14:49.55 | Noborusan | enouf, so the common sense is, most of hardware firewall won't be operated in the layer 2 ? |
| 14:50.03 | Orionisti | My repositories list is empty |
| 14:50.04 | cyzie | petemc, debonf ? |
| 14:50.12 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure.. |
| 14:50.14 | simprix | I don't have the keys, How can I get them |
| 14:50.15 | jetscreamer | debconf |
| 14:50.17 | snowbird | going to try another os to run scanner with linux |
| 14:50.21 | enouf | Noborusan: i suck at networking, but i keep good bookmarks :-) |
| 14:50.28 | jetscreamer | !tell simprix -about etch key |
| 14:50.38 | Orionisti | Could someone direct me to the most important repositories? |
| 14:50.40 | petemc | cyzie: one thing to watch out for, if you try to send mail directly from a machine on a residential connection, lots of people will refuse mail as most mails from residential connections are spam, this is why you use your isps smarthost |
| 14:50.47 | Noborusan | enouf, ok |
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| 14:51.12 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.50 | simprix | Ok now I just get this error when I run apt-get update |
| 14:51.51 | simprix | W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 14:51.51 | simprix | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 14:51.56 | petemc | cyzie: google can help |
| 14:52.02 | xand | simprix: no pasting |
| 14:52.12 | asg | simprix: non-US doesn't exist anymore |
| 14:52.29 | jetscreamer | yeah what is that a woody box? |
| 14:52.49 | simprix | it was upgraded from a woody box |
| 14:53.02 | asg | simprix: then remove the non-US entries. They are no longer necessary or supported. |
| 14:53.07 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 14:53.07 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 14:53.12 | jetscreamer | all you need if you need it |
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| 14:53.55 | silvertip257 | I want to get alsa version 1.0.14 and pidgin ... how should I get them? I think they're both in the unstable repo |
| 14:54.06 | jetscreamer | backport |
| 14:54.23 | silvertip257 | how do I do that ... sorry I'm new to debian |
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| 14:54.40 | asg | silvertip257: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:54.41 | jetscreamer | !tell silvertip257 -about backports |
| 14:54.45 | silvertip257 | thanks |
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| 14:57.16 | |porta| | I installed debian on a dell inspiron 9400 and Gnome will not start |
| 14:57.51 | snowbird | how are you trying to get it to start? what video card? |
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| 14:58.51 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:59.01 | Noborusan | night all |
| 15:00.48 | silvertip257 | jetscreamer / asg: which is best to use - unstable or testing ? |
| 15:00.59 | jetscreamer | if you have to ask, testing |
| 15:01.24 | silvertip257 | thanks jetscreamer .. I appreciate it |
| 15:01.27 | jetscreamer | i use testing on my laptop just so i won't ever have to mess with it, even though i prefer sid |
| 15:01.53 | solar_sea | after halting the debian netinstall cd on an old laptop I'm unable to turn it off. does anyone have any idea how to turn it off /restart [safe for waiting it to turn off when the battery ends] |
| 15:02.02 | silvertip257 | ah |
| 15:02.23 | jetscreamer | hold the powerbutton down for 4 seconds, solar_sea ? |
| 15:02.26 | liable | solar_sea: hold the off switch down for 5 seconds or so |
| 15:02.32 | liable | !lose me |
| 15:02.32 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 15:02.33 | solar_sea | it doesn't work, i've tried it |
| 15:02.43 | |porta| | jetscreamer it is saying I810(0): No video Bios modes for chosen depth and Screen's found, but none have a usable coniguration |
| 15:03.00 | jetscreamer | take the battery out and unplug it then :/ |
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| 15:03.24 | jetscreamer | |porta|: i've seen that error, ppl have reported it i mean, but i forget |
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| 15:03.42 | solar_sea | I've already unplugged it but the battery is screwed with some non-standart, like a helix |
| 15:03.42 | jetscreamer | |porta|: do you have the 915resolution package? |
| 15:03.47 | silvertip257 | jetscreamer: in the backporting guide they have me adding deb-src lines for testing and unstable ... |
| 15:03.58 | jetscreamer | torx probably solarsea |
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| 15:04.08 | |porta| | New install.... first boot |
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| 15:04.14 | |porta| | so i don't think so |
| 15:04.21 | solar_sea | anyway, looks like I'll wait it for an hour or so |
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| 15:04.29 | jetscreamer | silvertip257: ok well just follow their instructions.. i've never done a backport... i just run sid |
| 15:04.38 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 15:04.55 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: does alt+F2 give you a shell or anythinhg? |
| 15:05.13 | solar_sea | not anymore, "system halted" was the last message from the kernel |
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| 15:05.25 | |porta| | is the command for reconfiguring x dpkg-configur xterm? |
| 15:05.26 | wah | hi. is it possible to list which packages i want from non-free? it seems i need madwifi but i don't want to accidently install any other software from non-free, so the source non-free should only be for madwifi. |
| 15:05.35 | solar_sea | magic sysrq keys don't work too |
| 15:05.52 | jetscreamer | wah: just add it and apt-get install madwifi then |
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| 15:06.34 | jetscreamer | solar_sea: don't know what to tell you but that is acpi/apm related, if that helps later on :/ |
| 15:06.52 | |porta| | jetscreamer do you know what the command is for configuring x in command shell? |
| 15:07.02 | wah | jetscreamer: that's okay but when i do an apt-cache search i will see packages from non-free and if i don't know those packages are from non-free i could accidently install them, couldn't i? |
| 15:07.03 | jetscreamer | !drxx |porta| |
| 15:07.04 | dpkg | |porta|: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:07.11 | solar_sea | well, xp manages to shut down the same machine, I guess I'll have to remove shutdown / halt l8r and symlink them to reboot |
| 15:07.11 | Penix | hmm. being tired seems to be a large factor in the success of me learning/understanding stuff |
| 15:07.19 | Penix | seems memory mapped registers aren't so puzzling at 1am |
| 15:07.19 | Crypticfortune | why might one of my boxes occassionally have an inetd process running amuck (taking 100% cpu)? or rather how might i go about tracking down why? |
| 15:07.23 | jetscreamer | wah: you can blow up your house by accident also.. try not to |
| 15:07.30 | Penix | time to pass out |
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| 15:07.54 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: is it usually around midnight? |
| 15:08.18 | wah | jetscreamer: it's easier to know what blows up my house than to know which packages are in non-free ;) |
| 15:08.41 | jetscreamer | wah: if you install something, it usually only gets what it needs |
| 15:08.42 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: might be...but i think not. if it was midnight what might that be? |
| 15:09.06 | |porta| | dpkg the install cd i used if about a month old does that tell you if im using xorg or sarge?? The XF86Config file i have not touched. This is a first time boot with this install |
| 15:09.06 | dpkg | |porta|: that's too long |
| 15:09.07 | jetscreamer | updatedb gets run around midnight here |
| 15:09.26 | liable | |porta|: dpkg is a bot |
| 15:09.31 | |porta| | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 15:09.38 | jetscreamer | you can set the frequency of the running of find |
| 15:09.41 | |porta| | ah |
| 15:09.41 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 15:09.46 | |porta| | ty :-) |
| 15:09.56 | jetscreamer | you can edit the cronjob |
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| 15:10.10 | jetscreamer | !updatedb |
| 15:10.13 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 15:10.14 | |porta| | I'm using the wrong kb :-) |
| 15:10.29 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: actually i explicitly disabled updatedb. and i that gets run at 6am here |
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| 15:10.56 | jetscreamer | |porta|: it's either dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86... try xorg first |
| 15:11.08 | |porta| | ty |
| 15:11.13 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: that was my only guess |
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| 15:11.44 | jetscreamer | Crypticfortune: when it does it, run top |
| 15:12.24 | Crypticfortune | jetscreamer: i do. and i see it's taking 100% cpu. dont have a clue what it's doing with that 100% though... |
| 15:12.36 | jetscreamer | define 'it' |
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| 15:12.52 | jetscreamer | that's why i say 'run top' |
| 15:13.02 | jetscreamer | to see the name of the program |
| 15:13.16 | Crypticfortune | it=inetd |
| 15:13.22 | jetscreamer | oh yeah you said |
| 15:13.24 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 15:13.36 | jetscreamer | jno idea |
| 15:13.47 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: lsof it to see which files it keeps open. strace it to see what syscalls it invokes |
| 15:13.56 | jelly-home | "what it does" |
| 15:14.11 | petemc | ] |
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| 15:15.30 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: thanks. oo strace -p can attach to an already running process. gotta try that next time. |
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| 15:16.27 | bulio| | I just installed Debian etch with the net install |
| 15:16.40 | rsk | bulio| great |
| 15:16.44 | bulio| | but now every time I try to install anything via aptitude, it asks to insert the net install CD |
| 15:16.48 | bulio| | then it goes ahead and downloads |
| 15:16.54 | bulio| | how can I change this? |
| 15:17.00 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: if it were your own app, you could also use gdb to attach to it |
| 15:17.17 | rsk | bulio|: change the sources.list to not have the CD there |
| 15:17.40 | Althaser | what command should be used instead update-modules ? please |
| 15:17.55 | bjorkimacg3 | bulio|, debian is STOOPID. |
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| 15:18.04 | bjorkimacg3 | you should change your source.list in /etc/apt |
| 15:18.10 | bulio| | ok |
| 15:18.36 | bulio| | thanks |
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| 15:21.14 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. why's debian only letting me run 1024x768 when this monitor can go higher? |
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| 15:21.24 | adv | hi, does anyone know why file(1) reports GNU/Linux 2.6.6 on my just compiled binary when i'm using kernel 2.6.20? |
| 15:21.35 | rsk | bjorkimacg3: faulty xorg.conf |
| 15:21.36 | blinx | I have lighty with ssl running on my vserver |
| 15:21.57 | blinx | now my problem is that I have to enter the ssl pem passphrase to start lighty |
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| 15:22.07 | jelly-home | adv: just compiled binary of what? |
| 15:22.44 | adv | jelly-home: a hello world c program |
| 15:22.51 | blinx | sometimes logrotate stopped lighty and wanted to start it but it failed because of the unknown or missing pem key |
| 15:22.59 | blinx | => my httpd isn't running |
| 15:23.18 | blinx | what can I do to fix that? |
| 15:23.45 | jelly-home | adv: because you used a combination of compiler and compiler options so that your binary will only run on Linux 2.6.6 or newer. |
| 15:23.55 | jelly-home | adv: /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 15:24.46 | adv | jelly-home: oh, so it's the minimum version of the kernel that it can run on/ |
| 15:24.51 | adv | ? |
| 15:25.06 | jelly-home | adv: probably, yes. |
| 15:25.17 | adv | jelly-home: what's your kernel version? |
| 15:25.26 | jelly-home | adv: it doesn't matter. |
| 15:25.44 | adv | it's not 2.4.1 right? |
| 15:25.47 | jelly-home | nope. |
| 15:26.01 | adv | ok but where does it say that? |
| 15:26.29 | jelly-home | adv: what, kernel version? |
| 15:26.31 | adv | i have looked at the man page, it doesn't say it's the minimum |
| 15:26.32 | jelly-home | !version |
| 15:26.32 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 15:26.48 | Orionisti | Oh yay happydays.... I tried apt-spy but after some 15 minutes of testing it went over the assigned memory area so now my sources.list is empty |
| 15:26.54 | adv | no i mean the output of file(1) |
| 15:27.29 | jelly-home | adv: I suspect file reads the binray's ELF headers. |
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| 15:30.50 | bulio| | How do I start apache2? |
| 15:30.57 | bulio| | I removed apache 1.3 and installed apache2 |
| 15:31.18 | bulio| | /etc/init.d/apache2 start does nothing |
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| 15:32.55 | bulio| | anyone? |
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| 15:35.04 | bjorkimacg3 | bulio|, that's like asking "how do i fly this chopper?" |
| 15:35.11 | bjorkimacg3 | start with the manual. |
| 15:35.22 | liable | no, start with an instructor |
| 15:35.41 | bjorkimacg3 | the instructor will start with ground school. |
| 15:35.47 | bjorkimacg3 | and ground school starts with a manual. |
| 15:35.52 | bjorkimacg3 | and then interaction :) |
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| 15:37.48 | logd | hi what's the best playefor 3gp files ? |
| 15:37.54 | infernix | how can I pin a process to a single core on SMP systems? |
| 15:37.56 | wols | !best |
| 15:37.56 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 15:38.22 | bulio| | bjorkimacg3: this is my 3rd debian install |
| 15:38.25 | bulio| | first with etch |
| 15:38.29 | logd | wols, one whatever would be fine |
| 15:38.31 | bulio| | never had a problem before |
| 15:38.34 | bjorkimacg3 | and you can't start apache2? |
| 15:39.06 | liable | bulio|: bash -x /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 15:39.21 | wols | logd: try mplayer. it's simply mpeg4 iirc |
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| 15:39.41 | bulio| | liable: that outputs some stuff |
| 15:40.04 | bulio| | a lot actually |
| 15:40.13 | wols | bulio|: awesomeness |
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| 15:40.46 | wols | maybe you could be persuaded to put it into a pastebin since you obviously are a bit overwhelmed by all those strange things called "letters" |
| 15:41.29 | wols | oops! did I do that? |
| 15:41.37 | logd | it says trouble initialising audio |
| 15:41.42 | liable | i would imagine so |
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| 15:42.30 | snowbird | liable when u got time i neeed to get ip of what my fire blocking on boot and add to my router to block |
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| 15:42.40 | liable | huh? |
| 15:42.51 | logd | !amr |
| 15:42.52 | dpkg | well, amr is audio modem riser slot, or an implication of brokenness, someone said. |
| 15:43.06 | wols | logd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3gp |
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| 15:43.18 | logd | i see video |
| 15:43.25 | snowbird | rember you asked me to paste u things and u found two thing my firewall blocked |
| 15:43.26 | logd | but audio doesnt work |
| 15:43.50 | snowbird | liable with router il add em and block even more |
| 15:43.51 | wols | dpkg: amr is also Adaptive Multi-Rate an audio compression scheme used with GSM phones |
| 15:43.51 | dpkg | wols: okay |
| 15:43.59 | liable | snowbird: dude, if you dont install shit from random sites on the internet, then you really dont have a need for a firewall at all |
| 15:44.16 | snowbird | wow |
| 15:44.24 | snowbird | ok i wont install nothing at all |
| 15:44.52 | snowbird | an outher way is not to open firewall for program to use port |
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| 15:45.21 | liable | snowbird: what i mean, is that unless you specifically install servers from the debian repos, or random shit from the ineternet, then you dont need a firewall |
| 15:45.47 | snowbird | right on |
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| 15:46.00 | wols | how can you make sense of that gibberish |
| 15:46.04 | snowbird | even to dl and burn someting is bad |
| 15:46.33 | liable | wols: i have been helping him for probably over two years now |
| 15:46.44 | liable | unfortunately, it doesnt seem to sink in |
| 15:46.52 | jetscreamer | you get used to it |
| 15:46.56 | enouf | snowbird: why is there so much space between your words? |
| 15:47.03 | jetscreamer | the 'grammar' i mean |
| 15:47.05 | snowbird | dont know |
| 15:47.21 | bjorkimacg3 | liable, remind him then about RTFM and get it over with :) |
| 15:47.25 | logd | wols can i use amrnb as lib to decode amr? |
| 15:47.50 | snowbird | i read manual |
| 15:47.51 | wols | logd: no clue, sorry |
| 15:48.15 | logd | wols, let's try then ;) |
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| 15:48.45 | wols | logd: that library will be able to decode it afaik the question is: does mplayer use the library? |
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| 15:49.11 | mick_home | anyone ever encrypt a usb thumbdrive? |
| 15:49.22 | wols | !tell mick_home about anyone |
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| 15:49.43 | mick_home | i just want to know if there is something that i need to consider before doing it |
| 15:50.00 | pwned | I had g++-4.1, I installed g++-4.2 as well, but the /usr/bin/g++ symlink still points at g++-4.1, what is a clean debian way to make it point at the higher version compiler? I just deleted the symlink and recreated it |
| 15:50.09 | mick_home | like a cravat or gotcha |
| 15:50.19 | h3sp4wn | pwned: just get gcc cpp and g++ from experimental |
| 15:50.33 | pwned | h3sp4wn: why ? |
| 15:50.36 | logd | works! i'm too lucky |
| 15:50.40 | h3sp4wn | !info gcc experimental |
| 15:50.42 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.2.0-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 15:51.03 | enouf | mick_home: a bit old but http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 15:51.09 | h3sp4wn | pwned: its the only place where they are set like that |
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| 15:51.32 | gothenburg | ops |
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| 15:51.34 | snowbird | liable thanks |
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| 15:51.42 | mick_home | btw - i meant "caveat" my spelling is a bit off today :) |
| 15:51.45 | mick_home | thanks enouf |
| 15:52.25 | enouf | mick_home: one more http://feraga.com/node/94 |
| 15:52.30 | enouf | welcome |
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| 15:53.15 | mick_home | heh |
| 15:53.19 | mick_home | on a sunday :) |
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| 15:53.32 | jetscreamer | monthly? |
| 15:53.44 | jetscreamer | gah i prefer daily |
| 15:53.53 | wols | jetscreamer: whenever I feel like it. it happens about once a month. sometimes once every two months... |
| 15:54.00 | enouf | jetscreamer: can't be too slackish :-P |
| 15:54.26 | jetscreamer | monthly is for etch! |
| 15:54.40 | wols | today, I wanna reformat my p2 notebook (it god bad sectors... lessee how long this hdd survives...), compile a new 2.6.22/23 kernel for it with new wlan drivers |
| 15:54.55 | wols | etch is bi annually :) |
| 15:55.19 | jetscreamer | dd the bastid |
| 15:55.22 | enouf | heh, i did a yearly upgradea few months ago, over 1000+ pkgs .. some miinor gliches, but all in all ok ;-) |
| 15:55.29 | wols | need to run smartmontools on it first |
| 15:55.32 | snowbird | i come we bit forward should been much farther] |
| 15:55.39 | wols | to map out the bad sectors |
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| 15:56.24 | wols | snowbird: just curious, what is your first language? |
| 15:56.32 | snowbird | eng |
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| 15:57.07 | mick_home | i don't get too worried w/ upgrades unless they are xorg, cryptsetup or driver related :) |
| 15:57.20 | mick_home | when those things go - that can be hell |
| 15:57.31 | wols | snowbird: then the public schools in your country are really really shitty |
| 15:57.35 | liable | wols: dyslexic |
| 15:57.47 | petemc | wols: thats an interesting viewpoint |
| 15:58.20 | mick_home | wols: s/country/area/ |
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| 15:58.45 | mick_home | since public schools in the USA i'm sure are all different |
| 15:58.53 | mick_home | where i am at they suck |
| 15:59.10 | snowbird | the ones over here are no good |
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| 15:59.24 | xand | the public schools here are private |
| 15:59.24 | jetscreamer | most modern things are plastic and cheap.. education is similar |
| 15:59.41 | snowbird | tieacher picked up kid via error to back o bus no reason is pricipel |
| 15:59.52 | wols | xand: brits and their "public" school system |
| 15:59.57 | xand | snowbird: huh? |
| 15:59.59 | snowbird | outer pricipul threw desk at kids |
| 16:00.12 | savetheWorld | Teaching well is hard or requires a specifc set of talents. |
| 16:00.20 | savetheWorld | snowbird: is his name Balmer by any chance? |
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| 16:00.33 | szymon_g | hi |
| 16:00.40 | liable | !qotd158 |
| 16:00.40 | snowbird | whos name? |
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| 16:00.42 | dpkg | well, qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 16:01.07 | acu | how do I find my IP from terminal |
| 16:01.12 | jetscreamer | ifconfig |
| 16:01.24 | snowbird | right on |
| 16:01.41 | liable | brutha! |
| 16:01.49 | mick_home | acu: man ip |
| 16:01.51 | jetscreamer | power to the people |
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| 16:02.17 | liable | laters |
| 16:02.21 | szymon_g | jetscreamer, : that's right, camerade ;p |
| 16:02.36 | mick_home | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 <--- 3. Shred rootfs says something about /dev/sdd2 <--- is that a typo? |
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| 16:02.56 | petemc | mick_home: why would it be? |
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| 16:03.32 | snowbird | should of been fired not made a principal |
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| 16:03.34 | mick_home | well when i type in mount - i only see /dev/sdb1 (i don't see 2 partitions) |
| 16:03.36 | onur | Hi. Can i mount a directory or device from another remote machine. Like smbfs but i dont want to use microsoft's protocol. |
| 16:03.48 | mick_home | it talks about sdd and sdd2 |
| 16:03.51 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:04.07 | petemc | mick_home: we live in a very diverse world, different people have different set ups |
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| 16:04.14 | mick_home | onur: you can use sshfs too |
| 16:04.14 | wols | sdd is the full disk, sdd2 is the 2nd partition on that disk |
| 16:04.18 | Eulex | mick_home, right, you'll have to adapt the examples to your setup. |
| 16:04.26 | onur | ok thanks mick_home |
| 16:04.35 | mick_home | but what i'm saying is that i only have 1 and they are talking about 2 |
| 16:04.37 | xand | onur: or nfs |
| 16:05.02 | wols | mick_home: they use a boot partition which is probably unencrypted (which is a good idea) |
| 16:05.11 | wols | and a / partition which is encrypted |
| 16:05.19 | Eulex | mick_home, they created two partitions used parted before that. |
| 16:05.22 | jetscreamer | you can export block devices also |
| 16:05.26 | wols | "We will create two partitions on the USB key, one for /boot and one for / (root). " |
| 16:05.30 | szymon_g | ekhm, if i wanna setup that some program (xbindkeys) would start togather with Xserver, where should i add it? i mean: i cannot find .xinitrc :o? |
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| 16:05.36 | mick_home | ya, that is what i mean -- i only see 1 |
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| 16:05.45 | mick_home | even though, i guess it should have created 2 |
| 16:05.56 | mick_home | or do i need to umount it and remount |
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| 16:06.07 | acu | answer: to find your ip address type: ip address |
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| 16:06.19 | onur | thanks xand |
| 16:06.31 | acu | is almost like ipconfig in microsoft technology |
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| 16:07.00 | jetscreamer | lots of things are almost exactly alike , win vs lin |
| 16:07.29 | acu | jetscreamer: however ifconfig did not give me anything |
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| 16:07.57 | wols | acu: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 16:08.20 | jetscreamer | yeh i'm sick of gdm's default path changing |
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| 16:08.59 | enouf | gotta love that gnome registry |
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| 16:09.16 | snowbird | registry? |
| 16:09.27 | wols | yes registry, aka gconf |
| 16:09.28 | jetscreamer | gconf is like registry |
| 16:09.35 | snowbird | oh |
| 16:09.39 | jetscreamer | gconf-editor |
| 16:09.40 | mick_home | acu: ip address show eth1 |
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| 16:09.42 | wols | what do you expect with guys like deIcaza in charge? |
| 16:09.48 | bushblows | I just did a net install of debian etch, minimalistic install, and when I 'cat > motd' or vi motd and delete all lines, I reboot and it still gives me the default motd. |
| 16:09.52 | mick_home | or you can use /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 16:09.56 | bushblows | any thoughts? |
| 16:09.57 | jetscreamer | how about your nic isn't up so doesn't have an ip |
| 16:10.08 | jetscreamer | try ifup eth0 or whatever |
| 16:10.12 | xored | any know samba bugs in the upgrad of sarge -> etch know. My performance is extremly slow, CPU use is contantly on 50% if i copy write something |
| 16:10.13 | mick_home | um, i think i said the wrong nick :) |
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| 16:11.10 | wols | xored: did you get a new kernel? |
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| 16:12.35 | robboplus | is it possible to create an iptables rule that would catch an attacker trying to connect several times to some port in short period of time? |
| 16:12.52 | robboplus | and send him to -j DROP |
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| 16:13.11 | robboplus | or perhaps there is some other software that could take care of that |
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| 16:13.48 | enouf | bushblows: what were you expecting? |
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| 16:14.19 | szymon_g | hi again |
| 16:14.36 | jetscreamer | heh.. now that's sneaky. it 'seems' that they speed up the video slightly when it's foreign lang w/subtitiles to fit more ads in |
| 16:14.42 | stoned | Romulus |
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| 16:14.45 | alesan | hi |
| 16:14.50 | jetscreamer | remus |
| 16:14.53 | jetscreamer | what about it |
| 16:14.55 | stoned | Ramen noodles |
| 16:15.01 | jetscreamer | suck |
| 16:15.03 | stoned | Cup A Noodle |
| 16:15.09 | alesan | what if I want to modify the software in a package, I have already downloaded the source with apt-get |
| 16:15.09 | jetscreamer | is better |
| 16:15.24 | alesan | can I rebuild and install it easily? |
| 16:15.28 | jetscreamer | oh ramen mixed with cup o soup? |
| 16:15.30 | enouf | rice-roni |
| 16:15.30 | stoned | alesan: yes |
| 16:15.37 | stoned | !maint-guide |
| 16:15.37 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 16:15.37 | jetscreamer | done that |
| 16:15.39 | alesan | stoned, any particular instructions? |
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| 16:15.44 | stoned | !package basics |
| 16:15.44 | dpkg | it has been said that package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 16:15.50 | jetscreamer | stoned orders you to give to paypal |
| 16:15.57 | jtza8 | Hello there... |
| 16:15.59 | stoned | hi there |
| 16:16.08 | jetscreamer | ho there |
| 16:16.16 | stoned | alesan: please read the script there, and come back with specific questions |
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| 16:16.19 | jtza8 | Some major kernel problems here. |
| 16:16.24 | szymon_g | ekhm, did anyone had problems with xbindkeys? it disabled me a part of keyboard :-/ |
| 16:16.33 | stoned | alesan: you can download the source, and it modify it, and compile a debian package |
| 16:16.38 | stoned | alesan: just read. :) |
| 16:16.50 | xored | wols: iam not sure |
| 16:16.53 | alesan | stoned ok |
| 16:17.24 | jtza8 | It seems that the 2.4.x kernels work fine, but 2.6.x crashes while populating /dev... |
| 16:17.28 | enouf | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:17.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
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| 16:18.38 | jtza8 | ... really strange, the chipset is intel i845, I didn't hear many good things about it... |
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| 16:19.06 | jtza8 | Has anyone here had something like this happen to them? |
| 16:19.13 | solitude| | i have an i845 |
| 16:19.23 | solitude| | works fine, flawlessly actually |
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| 16:19.58 | jtza8 | Hmm... I guess it's the motherboard itself then... |
| 16:19.59 | bushblows | enouf: I have done it before on other debian versions, and it works fine. |
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| 16:20.43 | mick_home | mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:20.45 | mick_home | mke2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 16:20.46 | mick_home | /dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 16:20.48 | bushblows | er, sorry I mean echo > motd |
| 16:20.51 | bushblows | not cat. |
| 16:20.54 | mick_home | how can i see what is accessing it? |
| 16:20.57 | jtza8 | ... It seems that the apic might have something to do with it... |
| 16:21.13 | bushblows | enouf: I meant echo, not cat. |
| 16:21.19 | hdh | mick_home try fuser |
| 16:21.33 | mick_home | hbh: thanks |
| 16:21.42 | enouf | bushblows: what were/are you expecting to happen? |
| 16:21.48 | krazykit | resizing an 80 gig ntfs partition to 50 gigs is supposed to take a hell of a long time, right? |
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| 16:22.00 | mick_home | jtza8: if it is, do you know how to turn it off? i need to turn mine off to boot |
| 16:22.09 | mick_home | jtza8: is it an hp ;) |
| 16:22.25 | jtza8 | ... :) yep, no change... |
| 16:22.33 | h3sp4wn | krazykit: When I did something similar it didn't take very long |
| 16:22.45 | mick_home | jtza8: what did you do? |
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| 16:22.55 | mick_home | what args in grub are you usong? |
| 16:23.04 | mick_home | using* |
| 16:23.36 | bushblows | so when it prints motd their is nothing. |
| 16:23.38 | jtza8 | mick_home: Nothing much, I couldn't even get knoppix to boot on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:23.55 | bushblows | I reboot and it has the old motd, I dont get why it dosnt work on this install. |
| 16:24.09 | bushblows | not a huge deal just slightly annoying, and I dont quite get why its doing it. |
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| 16:24.39 | enouf | bushblows: maybe see the options/settings in /etc/default/rcS and /etc/pam.d/login |
| 16:24.52 | krazykit | h3sp4wn, hm, it seems to have stayed at 0% for the last several minutes |
| 16:24.59 | leafwiz | I don't understand it.. tcpdump is acting very slow and I get this report when ^c it |
| 16:24.59 | leafwiz | 10 packets captured |
| 16:25.00 | leafwiz | 14060 packets received by filter |
| 16:25.00 | leafwiz | 13824 packets dropped by kernel |
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| 16:25.23 | jtza8 | Would it be any good if I where to downgrade to a 2.4 kernel? - or are those not well supported (incompatible) anymore. |
| 16:25.29 | h3sp4wn | krazykit: How are you doing it (I think I used parted then some of the stuff from ntfsprogs |
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| 16:25.39 | snowbird | what does tcp dump do? |
| 16:25.58 | wols | snowbird: tcpdump. it's a network sniffer |
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| 16:26.06 | snowbird | sniffs for? |
| 16:26.10 | wirefire | is there any virtual drive software such as daemon tools for linux? |
| 16:26.13 | wols | network traffic |
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| 16:26.27 | wols | wirefire: no. cause it would be useless |
| 16:26.37 | enouf | wirefire: loop |
| 16:26.39 | wols | on unix, everything si a file, including drives |
| 16:26.40 | enouf | :-P |
| 16:26.42 | leafwiz | What I don't understand is why the kernel is dropping so many packets |
| 16:26.45 | mick_home | jtza8: i mean, what options do you pass to grub to turn it off? |
| 16:26.49 | bushblows | enouf: thanks, it was a line in pam.d/login |
| 16:26.51 | snowbird | i got something at boot up that fire blocks id like to id that and ad to block list in my router |
| 16:26.56 | krazykit | h3sp4wn, using whatever d-i uses |
| 16:27.01 | mick_home | jtza8: you will need to turn it off even w/ live cds |
| 16:27.03 | enouf | there is cdemu and something else |
| 16:27.20 | enouf | bushblows: sweet |
| 16:27.26 | jtza8 | mick_home: noapic nolapic ... and I tried deactivating afew other things too... |
| 16:27.27 | wirefire | enouf, mount and loop does not support the same extent of files as daemon tools |
| 16:27.36 | h3sp4wn | krazykit: no ideas then (I just did it using parted and ntfsresize from a grml livecd) |
| 16:27.37 | mick_home | jtza8: you are missing one option |
| 16:27.41 | snowbird | got my notebook out here |
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| 16:29.23 | enouf | wirefire: knock yourself out http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:30.01 | enouf | "same extent of files" .. hrm sounds Mpoop-ish |
| 16:30.27 | wols | enouf: he means the shitty proprietary formats for ISOs all his uber-cool windows toolz produce |
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| 16:30.46 | enouf | wols: ahh.. gamerz warez0rz |
| 16:31.00 | enouf | http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES |
| 16:31.03 | mick_home | jtza8: i had to look it up - i use: noapic acpi=off nolapic |
| 16:31.05 | enouf | :-P |
| 16:31.11 | eth01 | whats with this security release on etch? is this an automatic update or what? |
| 16:31.16 | enouf | (not much more there actually) |
| 16:31.17 | |porta| | how can i exit out of aptitude?? I typed it in by it's self and im in a screan that i'm just lost in. |
| 16:31.26 | jtza8 | mick_home: Tried that too. |
| 16:31.34 | jetscreamer | yes when you update |
| 16:31.40 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 16:31.42 | eth01 | apt-get update ? |
| 16:31.45 | Aim_Here | 'q' quits from aptitude |
| 16:32.05 | mick_home | then it isn't apic |
| 16:32.09 | |porta| | TY! |
| 16:32.12 | jetscreamer | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:32.16 | mick_home | it must be something else |
| 16:39.01 | |porta| | is there a site so explain about aptitude? |
| 16:39.01 | jetscreamer | make that aptitude not apt-get |
| 16:39.01 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 16:39.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 16:39.01 | wols | eth01: simple "rollup" of all security packages up to now |
| 16:39.01 | |porta| | ty! |
| 16:39.01 | mick_home | jtza8: good luck with your problem :-/ |
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| 16:39.03 | Aim_Here | there's a readme in /usr/share/doc/aptitude that might help, |porta| |
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| 16:39.03 | jtza8 | mick_home: I guess you're right, but it shows up quite a lot in my kernel panics... Onwards to 2.4... thanks for the help mick_home. :) |
| 16:39.03 | eth01 | ah, several things require updates thanks. |
| 16:39.03 | mick_home | how do i use fuser to see what is accessing /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 16:39.03 | Aim_Here | With debian, you often, but not always, find some sort of documentation in /usr/share/doc/<package name> |
| 16:39.03 | mick_home | jtza8: at some point you may just want to dump that board at a LUG and have someone else mess w/ it ;) |
| 16:39.03 | eth01 | why is it when you change the MOTD, and then reboot that the default MOTD is put back into place?! i don't get that.. |
| 16:39.03 | enouf | |porta|: apt-get install aptitude-doc-en -- use apt-cache search -n doc | grep aptitude to show you a few available languages |
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| 16:39.04 | mick_home | eth01: fgrep for the actual message and see that it isn't taking it from something else |
| 16:39.04 | fm3 | eth01: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-motd |
| 16:39.04 | mick_home | though it should just be in /etc/motd |
| 16:39.04 | eth01 | well the default MOTD is reloaded .... |
| 16:39.04 | wols | eth01: as root: grep -r motd /etc/* and you should know why |
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| 16:39.04 | fm3 | mick_home: fuser /dev/sdb1, but if you have that mounted somewhere, try fuser /mountpoint/* */* */*/* etc |
| 16:39.04 | enouf | eth01: were you just a diff nick? bushblows ? |
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| 16:39.04 | cahoot_ | |porta| to me it seems the instructions for use are displayed right before your eyes in aptitudes screen |
| 16:39.04 | enouf | eth01: edit /etc/pam.d/login to stop it |
| 16:39.05 | jetscreamer | !tell fqh -about root |
| 16:39.05 | mick_home | fm3: that shows nothing :-( and mount says it isn't mounted |
| 16:39.05 | fm3 | is it normal that when i want to install postfix on a clean etch system, it wants to install 71! packages, totaling ~44MB in size? |
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| 16:39.05 | fm3 | mick_home: cat /proc/mounts agrees it isn't mounted? (and it's not part of a raid set, or volume group ?) |
| 16:39.05 | wols | fm3: pastebin which packages it wants to install |
| 16:39.05 | eth01 | fm3: apt-get install postfix |
| 16:39.06 | eth01 | aptitude ** rather |
| 16:39.08 | fm3 | wols: http://pastebin.com/d7fed2764 |
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| 16:40.14 | eth01 | hrm |
| 16:40.15 | wols | fm3: configure your aptitude properly |
| 16:40.19 | wols | or use apt-get |
| 16:40.21 | eth01 | that looks far too many |
| 16:40.53 | eth01 | and use apt-get like i suggested fm3 |
| 16:40.53 | mick_home | fm3: i'm using an encrypted lvm (no raid) -> http://pastebin.ca/663453 |
| 16:40.53 | stoned | !vista |
| 16:40.53 | dpkg | methinks vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 16:40.53 | stoned | lol |
| 16:40.54 | fm3 | wols: it's default configuration of aptitude, suggestions for improving ? |
| 16:41.04 | stoned | wols: hey man long time no see, where have you been lately |
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| 16:41.19 | eth01 | !fm3 apt-get |
| 16:41.25 | eth01 | !apt-get |
| 16:41.25 | dpkg | i heard apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 16:41.37 | stoned | !selftell |
| 16:41.38 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 16:41.49 | abrotman | eth01: because motd is supposed to do that |
| 16:41.51 | wols | fm3: the reasn is that aptitude isntalls "suggested" packages too, in the case of postfix this is mail-reader which in turn isntalls a shitload of stuff for you |
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| 16:42.06 | abrotman | install mailx or mutt before installing postfix |
| 16:42.13 | eth01 | fm3: like myself and others have told you, use apt-get unless you configure aptitude appropriately. |
| 16:42.14 | wols | stoned: sorta away |
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| 16:42.27 | wols | fm3: so tell aptitude not to install suggested packages and you will be fine |
| 16:42.45 | fm3 | wols: thank you |
| 16:43.02 | snowbird | like to find what is bootinga nd then ban it |
| 16:43.34 | snowbird | puzzling |
| 16:43.37 | wols | snowbird: what exactly happens? |
| 16:43.39 | mick_home | fm3: i'm on "6. Format filesystems:" on http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 16:44.09 | wols | snowbird: and the stuff in /etc/rc?.d is what's "booting" |
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| 16:45.20 | eth01 | whats the time command again? |
| 16:45.27 | lhadie | erm.. what command do I use to download files? (.deb) |
| 16:45.39 | wols | lhadie: apt-get |
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| 16:45.51 | jetscreamer | use a package manager |
| 16:45.51 | wols | eth01: date |
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| 16:45.53 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 16:45.54 | dpkg | aptitude is probably "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 16:46.14 | eth01 | yeah, how can i update though? |
| 16:46.15 | snowbird | wold is tcp in out ip flash bye eyes on boot up |
| 16:46.18 | eth01 | with time server.. |
| 16:46.25 | jetscreamer | !ntp |
| 16:46.26 | dpkg | i guess ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 16:46.27 | abrotman | !tell eth01 about ntp |
| 16:46.28 | snowbird | wols oops |
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| 16:47.32 | wols | snowbird: unless you make an effort to write clearly, no one will ever be able to help you |
| 16:47.49 | snowbird | wols on boot up it says tcp in out |
| 16:47.56 | wols | what says? |
| 16:48.02 | snowbird | then after that goes it goes to desk top |
| 16:48.17 | snowbird | boot screen were every thing loads in text |
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| 16:48.37 | wols | either you give us EXACTLY what it says or your asking us anything is futile |
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| 16:48.44 | humpty | please tell me in which mailing list i can ask questions on PDF and open document formats? |
| 16:48.54 | humpty | sorry |
| 16:49.00 | jetscreamer | sounds like gdm is borking |
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| 16:49.13 | humpty | i meant which channel i can go and ask about PDF and open document formats? |
| 16:49.30 | snowbird | alright wols when it starts il write it down or maybe tehre is someting i could paste |
| 16:49.36 | edju | which would give me a later kernel - 2.6.18dfsg-13etch1 or 2.6.18+6etch1? |
| 16:50.07 | wols | edju: are those debian kernels? |
| 16:50.16 | sparr | developers who make their packages Depend on things they dont actually depend on should be shot. twice. |
| 16:50.25 | abrotman | ? |
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| 16:50.43 | wols | edju: neither of them shows up on pdo |
| 16:50.45 | jetscreamer | the 13 would be a later than the 6 |
| 16:50.49 | mick_home | jetscreamer: shouldn't that factoid say tzselect, not tzconfig? |
| 16:51.10 | wols | jetscreamer: how do you know considering neither is a debian kernel? |
| 16:51.13 | jetscreamer | mick_home: no idea |
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| 16:51.35 | mick_home | that factoid reminded me to setup ntp myself on this box |
| 16:51.37 | jetscreamer | wols: a dfsg kernel isn't a debian kernel? looks like 2.6.18 in etch to me |
| 16:51.44 | mick_home | i just used tzselect |
| 16:51.44 | abrotman | mick_home: depends which version of debian |
| 16:51.54 | jetscreamer | he's just not pasting the entire names |
| 16:51.55 | edju | wols, yes, they are - thee first is 2.6.18-5-k7, the second is 2.6.18-k7 |
| 16:51.59 | mick_home | only problem is that it says: |
| 16:52.00 | jetscreamer | probably from a package manager |
| 16:52.02 | mick_home | Local time is now: Mon Aug 20 08:47:57 EDT 2007. |
| 16:52.04 | mick_home | Universal Time is now: Mon Aug 20 12:47:57 UTC 2007. |
| 16:52.05 | mick_home | Is the above information OK? |
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| 16:52.16 | mick_home | universal time is what my local time is |
| 16:52.29 | jetscreamer | edju: the k7 is for amd, the -686 is for intel |
| 16:52.32 | edju | wols, sorry, the second is 2.6.k7 |
| 16:53.24 | edju | I'll never understand debian's versioning system. |
| 16:53.40 | jetscreamer | some of those are metapackages edju |
| 16:54.11 | jetscreamer | and depend on the latest version of the real package |
| 16:54.34 | edju | jetscreamer, i think the second is - does that mean it'll bring in whatever the latest kernel is? |
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| 16:55.09 | jetscreamer | edju: yeah, but i can't swear what which one gets... i don't use them myself |
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| 16:55.12 | giupy | hi all |
| 16:55.37 | abrotman | edju: if you give us the correct package names .. we could tell you |
| 16:55.55 | edju | i came to debian from gentoo - kernels were much easier to manage there. |
| 16:56.15 | jetscreamer | just get the latest big long name |
| 16:56.25 | eth01 | edju: if you don't like debain, then you're more then welcome to go back to gentoo |
| 16:56.28 | jetscreamer | linux-image-2.6.18-??-whatever |
| 16:56.38 | eth01 | debian ** |
| 16:56.40 | jetscreamer | the k7 is amd, the 686 is intel |
| 16:57.10 | edju | eth01, oh, relax - nobody's insulting your mother. |
| 16:57.11 | giupy | yesterday i have asked you about a problem regarding a kernel panic and you sad me that i can't upgrade from sarge to sid, but i must upgrade from sarge to testing before, i have made that, but problem still remains with 2.6.21 and 2.6.8 goes well, the kernel panic is: "/init: .:38: can't open /scripts/functions" |
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| 16:57.39 | eth01 | edju: if that made any sense, i'd give you a reply... |
| 16:57.44 | jetscreamer | they probably said sarge to etch first |
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| 16:58.09 | jetscreamer | back up /home and some stuff in /etc and install clean |
| 16:58.15 | jetscreamer | easier |
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| 16:58.28 | giupy | jetscreamer: ok i'll do that thanks |
| 16:58.58 | nuxis | where can I find the deamon config file? |
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| 16:59.16 | wols | nuxis: depends on the daemon (sic!) |
| 16:59.17 | abrotman | nuxis: depends on the daemon |
| 16:59.26 | nuxis | networking doesn't start |
| 16:59.27 | petemc | nuxis: /etc/daemonname/ or /etc/default/daemon |
| 16:59.46 | wols | nuxis: that is no daemon. look in /etc/network/interfaces for example |
| 16:59.47 | nuxis | I wanna ad /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 16:59.57 | abrotman | who the hell told giupy to go sarge->lenny ? |
| 17:00.13 | abrotman | nuxis: add to what ? |
| 17:00.26 | nuxis | well make networking start when I start debian |
| 17:00.55 | nuxis | now I need to do dhclient eth1ù |
| 17:00.59 | eth01 | it should be default... |
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| 17:01.09 | nuxis | well eth01 it doesn't do.. :( |
| 17:01.30 | abrotman | !tell nuxis about interfaces |
| 17:01.34 | eth01 | shame, how many connections do you have on this system? |
| 17:01.55 | nuxis | 2 network cards |
| 17:01.59 | nuxis | if you ask me.. |
| 17:03.01 | eth01 | do these 2 cards have different IP's? |
| 17:03.16 | nuxis | no |
| 17:03.22 | nuxis | the eth0 isn't even working |
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| 17:03.25 | abrotman | nuxis: see what the bot told you |
| 17:03.34 | eth01 | so edit your interfaces :/ |
| 17:04.07 | nuxis | well Ok I will try something |
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| 17:05.55 | |porta| | jetscreamer: ty on the links... lot of info!! |
| 17:06.01 | |porta| | just finished reading them |
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| 17:06.47 | eth01 | !tell nuxis about interfaces |
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| 17:06.53 | eth01 | read THAT! |
| 17:07.17 | abrotman | eth01: i gave him that five minutes ago |
| 17:08.08 | eth01 | abrotman: he seem's to have ignored it, maybe, maybe not. |
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| 17:08.18 | onur | Hi. Can i run 2 or more terminal emulator in 1 window? Any terminal emulator support this feature? |
| 17:08.33 | wols | onur: apt-cache show screen |
| 17:08.34 | h3sp4wn | onur: just use gnu screen - and any |
| 17:08.36 | simonrvn | screen in xterm for instance |
| 17:08.37 | jetscreamer | !screen |
| 17:08.37 | dpkg | from memory, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 17:08.38 | abrotman | or maybe you distracted him with chatter |
| 17:08.49 | onur | ok thanks wols h3sp4wn |
| 17:08.56 | abrotman | onur: or did you mean like a tabbed xterm ?> |
| 17:08.57 | |porta| | with using the command aptitude install kde does that install every kde package? or only what is needed? |
| 17:09.06 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 17:09.06 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 17:09.08 | wols | !install kde |
| 17:09.21 | cluck | Hi |
| 17:09.22 | onur | no abrotman i dont want to tabs |
| 17:09.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:09.38 | jetscreamer | install kde! |
| 17:10.10 | vkozlov | I execute command to check my encrypted device: cryptsetup status /dev/mapper/mapper01 and got in output: "cipher:aes-cbs-plain, keysize: 256 bits". But in /proc/crypto I see for AES "max keysize:32". What is correct (256 or 32), and how I can check if used cipher is strong enough? |
| 17:10.41 | mick_home | ok - i got sick of this - so i just unplugged and replugged it in |
| 17:10.41 | mick_home | now i don't know which device is associated w/ the usb |
| 17:10.42 | mick_home | cfdisk doesn't see it |
| 17:10.44 | mick_home | damnit |
| 17:10.54 | wols | mick_home: dmesg knows |
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| 17:11.43 | mick_home | cfdisk /dev/sdc <-- shows that it must be it |
| 17:11.52 | mick_home | i just started guessing :) |
| 17:12.39 | lindenl1 | what does one use now instead of update-modules? |
| 17:12.40 | mick_home | cfdisk /dev/sdc1 <-- this says: Unknown partition table type |
| 17:12.42 | mick_home | Do you wish to start with a zero table [y/N] ? |
| 17:12.48 | mick_home | i better look at dmesg :) |
| 17:13.06 | wirefire | is it possible to play swf and .mov files in linux? |
| 17:13.21 | szymon_g | yes |
| 17:13.30 | mick_home | sdc: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 17:13.31 | simonrvn | unfortunately |
| 17:13.32 | mick_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.36 | mick_home | what does that mean? |
| 17:13.57 | simonrvn | 1 partition |
| 17:13.59 | jetscreamer | it means exactly what it says |
| 17:14.00 | cluck | Is there a simple way of using gprs over bluetooth? (please pvt msg me with the answer, i'm on my mobile and can't cope with |
| 17:14.00 | cluck | The pace of the channel on such a tiny screen) |
| 17:14.11 | mick_home | wirefire: iceweasel / firefox will prompt you to install flash |
| 17:14.35 | mick_home | wirefire: and you may want to add the debian-multimedia repo to sources.list |
| 17:14.47 | mick_home | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:14.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 17:15.12 | mick_home | apt-cache search quicktime etc etc |
| 17:15.23 | mick_home | w32codecs is also useful |
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| 17:16.05 | mick_home | wirefire: ^^^ |
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| 17:16.13 | wirefire | mick_hom1, ty |
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| 17:16.59 | L0cKn | hi all :D |
| 17:17.04 | mick_home | hi |
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| 17:17.40 | Gibbonz | prob in a faq somewhere, but is there a way to prevent services being started when installed via apt-get? |
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| 17:18.09 | wols | !services |
| 17:18.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 17:18.09 | abrotman | Gibbonz: after they're installed you can stop them and then use update-rc.d to make that permanent |
| 17:18.44 | jetscreamer | chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever is a lot easier |
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| 17:19.03 | wols | jetscreamer: but it's the "wrong" way |
| 17:19.15 | jetscreamer | yeah so i've heard |
| 17:19.15 | Gibbonz | aye, stopping after install is what ive been doing up till now but i just wondered if theres some config var to prevent it in the first place |
| 17:19.38 | cluck | Anyone? |
| 17:19.43 | simonrvn | yeh, not installing it |
| 17:20.24 | lindenl1 | anyone out there have an intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio working? |
| 17:20.52 | vkozlov | How strong is dmcrypt with standard AES module? |
| 17:21.18 | |porta| | !firefox |
| 17:21.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
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| 17:23.19 | abrotman | lindenl1: in ? |
| 17:23.58 | |porta| | could someone break that down for me?? the fist i understand apt-get install firefox installs firefox for me but the sew... what is that and emacs?? |
| 17:24.06 | lindenl1 | abrotman: Thinkpoad x61 |
| 17:24.21 | abrotman | etch? lenny? |
| 17:24.22 | |porta| | *stew |
| 17:24.31 | abrotman | |porta|: ignore it |
| 17:24.45 | |porta| | ok ty |
| 17:24.54 | cahoot_ | lindenl1, someone posted his config for a x62s - needed updated alsa for that device |
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| 17:25.17 | cahoot_ | lindenl1, err x61s |
| 17:25.53 | cahoot_ | lindenl1, http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/lenovo-ibm-x61s.html |
| 17:26.18 | cluck | !gprs |
| 17:26.18 | dpkg | from memory, gprs is an abbreviation that stands for "General Packet Radio Service" which is now the ever-so-popular method for accessing the Information Super Highway through a telecommunication device, preferrably a/an EGSM/GSM transceiver which is capable of this service. There is some information on how to get this service working on your iPAQ whilst establishing |
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| 17:28.34 | |porta| | here is a stupid question... after installing firefox... where do i need to go to make an icon? |
| 17:28.58 | azeem | |porta|: how did you install it? |
| 17:29.14 | lindenl1 | cahoot_: is it the same card |
| 17:29.15 | |porta| | aptitude install firefox |
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| 17:31.08 | azeem | |porta|: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 17:31.35 | jetscreamer | aptitude install iceweasel |
| 17:31.37 | |porta| | right now kde.. will like to have an icon for gnome.. later |
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| 17:32.02 | azeem | |porta|: you mean an icon on the desktop? |
| 17:32.24 | |porta| | yes... i can copy and past it in the menu couldn't I? |
| 17:33.05 | jetscreamer | right click the icon in the menu and hit add to desktop |
| 17:33.09 | jetscreamer | or just drag it |
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| 17:34.19 | |porta| | the problem i have is there is no icon in the menu at all... i've looked threw it and no icon for firefox |
| 17:34.29 | abrotman | |porta|: it's called iceweasel |
| 17:34.49 | |porta| | so firfox is out? |
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| 17:35.22 | |porta| | i'm still learning so please forgive the qestions.. |
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| 17:35.26 | MoonPatrol | is debian easy to set-up and have running in VMWare for testing and developing purposes? |
| 17:35.43 | jetscreamer | there is still a transitional package in etch |
| 17:35.46 | |porta| | i have firfox and iceweasel in suse |
| 17:35.50 | jetscreamer | !find firefox etch |
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| 17:35.59 | |porta| | ok |
| 17:36.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'firefox' (6 of 27): (/usr/bin/viewurl-firefox.sh) in net/licq ;; (/usr/share/doc/icedove/firefox.js.tmpl) in mail/icedove ;; (/usr/share/awstats/icon/browser/firefox.png) in web/awstats ;; (/etc/peercast/firefox-handler.js) in sound/peercast-handlers ;; (/usr/share/kazehakase/icons/kz-firefox.png) in web/kazehakase ;; (/usr/share/xfce4/helpers/firefox.desktop) in libs/libexo-0.3-0. |
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| 17:36.42 | |porta| | ok what is an executible in linux? something like a .exe? |
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| 17:37.17 | snowbird | tar .deb |
| 17:37.32 | jetscreamer | things that are executable |
| 17:37.42 | jetscreamer | no certain extension |
| 17:37.52 | jetscreamer | even things w/o extensions |
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| 17:38.12 | |porta| | so if i the file /usr/share/firefox/firfox.tar existet it is an executible... is that what i'd make an icon point to? |
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| 17:38.20 | jetscreamer | nonono |
| 17:38.24 | |porta| | ?-) |
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| 17:38.33 | azeem | |porta|: why do you need an icon? Just run it from the application menu |
| 17:38.40 | jetscreamer | the tar is an archive.. think zip file |
| 17:38.49 | azeem | |porta|: it's probably /usr/bin/firefox |
| 17:39.11 | jetscreamer | you want to just install iceweasel and run it .. see also what azeem said |
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| 17:39.51 | |porta| | the questions im asking is so i know for other programs too.. thank you!!! |
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| 17:42.29 | |porta| | azeem: where is the aplication menu? |
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| 17:42.51 | azeem | |porta|: the "K" thingy on the panel I believe, I don't use KDE |
| 17:43.06 | |porta| | yes |
| 17:43.16 | jetscreamer | bottom left whatever |
| 17:43.29 | |porta| | so the whole thing is aplication menu? |
| 17:43.42 | jetscreamer | yeh |
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| 17:43.47 | jetscreamer | or start menu |
| 17:44.03 | |porta| | i moved from windows xp to here that's why im lost |
| 17:44.16 | stoned | its ok |
| 17:44.24 | stoned | |porta|: you are using debian or ubuntu? |
| 17:44.28 | stoned | ust asking.. |
| 17:44.42 | |porta| | when i used aptitude install firefox it didn't creat an icon anywhere.. not on the desktop or aplication menu |
| 17:44.45 | |porta| | debian |
| 17:44.48 | RvGaTe | what kernel version does the current lenny have? |
| 17:44.53 | jetscreamer | try update-menus |
| 17:44.54 | |porta| | i also have a desktop with suse |
| 17:44.57 | stoned | firefox is renamed to asswiesel |
| 17:44.57 | MoonPatrol | stoned: You mean this isn't ubuntu??? |
| 17:45.01 | stoned | rene |
| 17:45.02 | stoned | I mean |
| 17:45.04 | stoned | sorry |
| 17:45.07 | jetscreamer | i thought this was redhat |
| 17:45.07 | RvGaTe | grrrr |
| 17:45.14 | stoned | RvGaTe: my main man whats up |
| 17:45.24 | abrotman | RvGaTe: .21 |
| 17:45.26 | RvGaTe | stoned, just having troubles :P |
| 17:45.31 | RvGaTe | abrotman, k, thx |
| 17:45.34 | stoned | you're always having troubles |
| 17:45.38 | RvGaTe | yeah |
| 17:45.48 | RvGaTe | well... you know me... trying out new stuff... :P |
| 17:45.51 | stoned | :) |
| 17:45.57 | azeem | |porta|: look for iceweasel in the application menu |
| 17:46.18 | jetscreamer | update-menus |
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| 17:46.54 | stoned | hey jetscreamer do you remeber that I was having stability issues with etch amd64 |
| 17:47.00 | |porta| | i ran iceweasel and did run command with firefox both poped up iceweasle... how do i have firefox "looks like firefox" in suse? |
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| 17:47.05 | stoned | while overclocked that is, and 32bit was running fine |
| 17:47.19 | azeem | |porta|: iceweasel is firefoc |
| 17:47.22 | azeem | firefox* |
| 17:47.26 | jetscreamer | yes of course i remember everything... (/me wonders wtf stoned is talking about) |
| 17:47.29 | stoned | jetscreamer: surprisingly kubuntu amd64 at 3.17 GHz does NOT cause instability |
| 17:47.32 | simonrvn | firefuk |
| 17:47.35 | |porta| | is it just a theam?? |
| 17:47.40 | snowbird | hey stoned |
| 17:47.43 | stoned | hi |
| 17:47.47 | snowbird | whats up |
| 17:47.50 | azeem | |porta|: mozilla corp denied us to call it firefox, so we had to rename it |
| 17:47.50 | |porta| | i thought it was a diferent version |
| 17:47.51 | stoned | just working |
| 17:47.52 | azeem | !iceweasel |
| 17:47.52 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 17:47.56 | simonrvn | 'theam'? |
| 17:47.57 | stoned | hi azeem |
| 17:47.59 | |porta| | ahhh |
| 17:48.09 | snowbird | on what stoned u got gf tell mom its here |
| 17:48.30 | simonrvn | !confuse snowbird |
| 17:48.31 | dpkg | No, those is their gouda today, snowbird? trousers of the democracy of tibet with extra ham |
| 17:48.44 | snowbird | what?? |
| 17:48.53 | stoned | lol |
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| 17:49.27 | snowbird | omg dkpg is drunk and stoned |
| 17:49.33 | stoned | droned? |
| 17:49.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:49.43 | stoned | or stoned and drunk? strunk? |
| 17:49.44 | stoned | :) |
| 17:50.15 | snowbird | better not say i need ip to throw in block list |
| 17:51.07 | snowbird | <being good cause bd is soon and dkpg told etch to not alow new hardware to run |
| 17:51.19 | snowbird | proff with scanner |
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| 17:52.02 | stoned | snowbird: half the time I have no clue what you are talking about |
| 17:52.08 | StormBlade | how can i start an X application from console as root |
| 17:52.19 | azeem | StormBlade: from what console? |
| 17:52.21 | simonrvn | which is why i did !confuse ;) |
| 17:52.24 | snowbird | were did i loose stoned today |
| 17:52.30 | wols | stoned: only half the time? |
| 17:52.36 | simonrvn | down by the corner |
| 17:52.37 | Ronin | most i bet |
| 17:52.53 | snowbird | looking under bed no stoned there |
| 17:52.55 | StormBlade | azeem : for example i 'm trying qtparted command but it says : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:52.56 | StormBlade | Xlib: No protocol specified ???? |
| 17:53.10 | wols | snowbird: you do know that all the time you've been here you hanve't us even told what your problem is? |
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| 17:53.23 | azeem | StormBlade: did you try sudo? |
| 17:53.30 | |porta| | azeem: if i may ask one more question abou the firefox. suse has it install looking like the firefox i know. is it possable to install/ i guess cross install applications? Not just this but other programs that might not be compiled for debian? |
| 17:53.32 | StormBlade | sudo hmm |
| 17:53.41 | StormBlade | no i did'nt |
| 17:53.56 | simonrvn | |porta|: it's just an icon ... |
| 17:53.59 | azeem | |porta|: it's possible, but usually not needed nor advised |
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| 17:54.08 | |porta| | TY! |
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| 17:55.17 | lindenl1 | my eth0 is not listed in interfaces as auto yet it is still automatically turning on at boot, how do i prevent this? |
| 17:55.58 | simonrvn | bur? |
| 17:56.08 | simonrvn | *blink* |
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| 17:57.46 | jetscreamer | comment out the allow-hotplug |
| 17:57.51 | DrMitch | i keep getting this crap mail in /var/mail/user ... how can i stop receiving it? it fills up like 4.5kb every 10 minutes and I know I'm going to forget about it and it'll get to be a gig in no time |
| 17:58.11 | |porta| | omg.... used a them said vista..... nasty looking |
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| 17:58.28 | snowbird | wols yeah i haven't reboote yet |
| 17:58.44 | petemc | DrMitch: is it a cron job? |
| 17:58.50 | petemc | DrMitch: or spam? |
| 17:58.51 | simonrvn | DrMitch: fix whatever it is that's buggering out |
| 17:59.01 | jetscreamer | anacron sends email |
| 17:59.12 | snowbird | gave up on scanner. |
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| 17:59.40 | jetscreamer | you could also dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and pipe it to some null user (the root mail alias thing or so) |
| 17:59.41 | azeem | jetscreamer: not every 10 minutes |
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| 17:59.46 | nuxis | how can I change the owner of a group in terminel? |
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| 17:59.51 | jetscreamer | true |
| 17:59.51 | azeem | nuxis: man chown |
| 18:00.02 | nuxis | tnx |
| 18:00.03 | jetscreamer | read the mail |
| 18:00.08 | azeem | nuxis: also, what do you mean with "owner of a group"? |
| 18:00.08 | jetscreamer | what is sending it |
| 18:00.18 | jetscreamer | fix the config of that |
| 18:00.42 | jeffwheeler | Is it really okay to have an ssh key without a passphrase? |
| 18:00.59 | |porta| | would i do the same things in debian as i did in suse for ndiswrapper? |
| 18:01.12 | azeem | |porta|: we don't know what you do in suse for ndiswrapper |
| 18:01.22 | |porta| | the install commands |
| 18:01.29 | petemc | jeffwheeler: sure, its sometimes required, but you can set it so that its only allowed to run certain commands |
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| 18:01.41 | |porta| | attaching it to the windows wifi driver i have in my dell |
| 18:02.05 | jetscreamer | yeah it's basically the same probably |
| 18:02.06 | |porta| | the modprob i think was the command to make an alias of wlan0 |
| 18:02.15 | jetscreamer | the firmware goes in /lib/firmware |
| 18:02.16 | jeffwheeler | petemc: that sounds convenient; I didn't see anything about limiting the commands; do you have a link about that? |
| 18:02.24 | nuxis | azeem, setting up ftp I made a ftp account so need to do /home/ftp to the ftp account |
| 18:02.41 | DrMitch | i can't tell what is doing it cause all the message says is: Returned mail: see transcript for details ... but there's no body in the message |
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| 18:03.00 | behrad | i cant subscribe my mail in debian-announce. how can i report it? i subscribe iother list without problem |
| 18:03.01 | nuxis | azeem: tnx it's working I can copy files to it :) |
| 18:03.03 | |porta| | how could i use a link to pull a newer version of ndiswrapper?? i have an http address for it |
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| 18:03.28 | jetscreamer | wget -c http://whatever |
| 18:03.36 | petemc | jeffwheeler: nothing to hand, google could probably fill in the blanks, or the ssh config man page |
| 18:03.46 | jeffwheeler | petemc: no worries; thanks for the help |
| 18:03.58 | |porta| | wow! |
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| 18:04.14 | |porta| | will that install as the apt-get? |
| 18:04.18 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:04.21 | jetscreamer | download |
| 18:04.24 | jetscreamer | man wget |
| 18:04.29 | |porta| | ok |
| 18:04.39 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 18:04.39 | dpkg | package blah.deb is already installed |
| 18:04.48 | jetscreamer | dpkg -r blah.deb |
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| 18:04.57 | stoned | dude |
| 18:05.02 | jetscreamer | dpkg -purge blah.deb |
| 18:05.03 | stoned | thats like Touristas kinda shit |
| 18:05.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge blah.deb |
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| 18:05.12 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:05.16 | stoned | !smack jetscreamer |
| 18:05.21 | stoned | ey! cut it out |
| 18:05.49 | stoned | I like women |
| 18:05.57 | snowbird | thats odd |
| 18:06.14 | behrad | i cant subscribe my mail in debian-announce. how can i report it? i subscribe in other list without problem. |
| 18:06.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: you know why I got that lecture on marriage from my mom? |
| 18:06.32 | snowbird | i don't like em critter is better |
| 18:06.41 | stoned | jetscreamer: my sister told my mom that I went out with this white chic a few weeks ago |
| 18:06.41 | snowbird | stoned u married |
| 18:06.44 | stoned | nope |
| 18:06.45 | stoned | not yet |
| 18:06.54 | snowbird | smart |
| 18:06.58 | jetscreamer | it's nice your mother cares |
| 18:07.02 | stoned | i know |
| 18:07.03 | abrotman | behanw: why can't you subscribe |
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| 18:07.04 | stoned | :) |
| 18:07.04 | snowbird | i aint married i don't date |
| 18:07.42 | behrad | abrotman, i dont recive ant subscribtion mail |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | behrad: it takes a little bit |
| 18:08.08 | abrotman | behrad: also check your junk mail box |
| 18:08.37 | nickie12|2channe | Hello! Would somebody here be so nice and tell me how to compile, load and configure drivers inside the debian netinstaller? |
| 18:08.39 | behrad | abrotman, i test with another mail and its work fine but with my mail doasnt work!! |
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| 18:09.05 | abrotman | !tell nickie12|2channe about custom netinst |
| 18:09.30 | nickie12|2channe | thanks |
| 18:09.37 | abrotman | behrad: check your spam box |
| 18:10.12 | stoned | snowbird: how are you doing? |
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| 18:10.22 | snowbird | fine |
| 18:10.43 | snowbird | stoned nevor got scanner to work in debian |
| 18:10.49 | snowbird | so its on another box |
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| 18:11.28 | behrad | abrotman, its amazing. unsubscribe work and i recieve unsubscribe email. but im not yet recieve subscribe mail !!!?? |
| 18:11.39 | capiira | hm hi is there a way to "ls" and show numerical chmod permissions? |
| 18:12.13 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:12.15 | jetscreamer | man ls |
| 18:12.18 | simonrvn | man ls |
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| 18:14.34 | nickie12|2channe | !tell nickie12|2channe about custom netinst |
| 18:14.48 | |porta| | !tar |
| 18:14.49 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 18:15.09 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 18:15.09 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 18:15.15 | abrotman | right .. much better |
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| 18:18.03 | jetscreamer | !better |
| 18:18.03 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 18:18.07 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 18:19.38 | Ioan | I have burned a DVD double layer with Nero in Windows - I have a SONY DVD external - and in Etch I cannot see the burned DVD - why is that ? |
| 18:20.23 | wols | have you mounted the DVD? |
| 18:20.29 | kupesoft | Why do birds, suddenly appear... |
| 18:21.41 | simonrvn | because they've been here longer than we have |
| 18:22.53 | |porta| | question. I downloaded the file and unzipped it. the readme file dosn't say where anything goes? |
| 18:22.59 | Ioan | wols: I am newbie I thought this will automounnt - how should I mount it |
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| 18:23.48 | wols | man mount |
| 18:24.25 | simonrvn | !wayttd |porta| |
| 18:24.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, |porta|? |
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| 18:25.24 | xingu | is there a way to fish out the changelog without pulling apart a package? |
| 18:25.25 | |porta| | i used yast in suse in download and install ndiswrapper then i had to use commands to make it work... I'm not sure how to install ndiswrapper to the system. i downloaded it and un tar'ed it |
| 18:25.29 | xingu | ie, changelog.Debian.gz |
| 18:25.48 | callahad | I'm trying to find a note organizer / manager (personal wiki?) and works well without X. Any suggestions? |
| 18:26.06 | petemc | xingu: apt-listchanges ? |
| 18:26.29 | xingu | looks like a good bet |
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| 18:27.15 | xingu | !give petemc a cookie |
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| 18:27.22 | petemc | woo, thanks |
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| 18:27.46 | hark | xingu: aptitude changelog package ? |
| 18:27.51 | wols | homebaked even! |
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| 18:28.24 | wols | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:28.24 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (i386 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 18:28.58 | |porta| | that i have... just installing ndiswrapper after taring it |
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| 18:29.17 | |porta| | insalling to the system? |
| 18:29.26 | wols | |porta|: you don't. debian ndsiwrapper is not a tarball |
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| 18:29.44 | wols | and maybe you should start reading the full factoid |
| 18:30.31 | |porta| | i downloaded the newest version from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=93482&package_id=99148&release_id=515643 |
| 18:30.40 | simonrvn | read it at all... |
| 18:30.40 | wols | then ask them how to use it, not us |
| 18:30.58 | |porta| | what is a tarball? |
| 18:31.00 | wols | |porta|: we can only support debian software. not any website's software out there |
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| 18:31.11 | wols | tarball = tar.gz |
| 18:31.12 | simonrvn | what's ther factoid for SNSyndrome? |
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| 18:31.19 | simonrvn | !sns |
| 18:31.21 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 18:31.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 18:31.35 | simonrvn | :D |
| 18:31.51 | simonrvn | ty :) |
| 18:31.52 | |porta| | roflmao |
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| 18:32.26 | sarixe | hi, i'm coming from ubuntu, just installed a new debian etch. where do i get fglrx and madwifi? |
| 18:32.39 | |porta| | if i use aptitude for ndiswrapper it wont be the newest one... :-) |
| 18:32.41 | wols | !fglrx |
| 18:32.41 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 18:32.48 | sarixe | !madwifi |
| 18:32.48 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi was a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 18:32.49 | abrotman | !tell sarixe madwifi install |
| 18:32.55 | sarixe | sweet |
| 18:32.56 | sarixe | thanks |
| 18:33.02 | abrotman | !tell sarixe about madwifi install |
| 18:33.13 | sarixe | got it that time |
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| 18:33.35 | rpedro__ | is lenny stable enough for normal usage currently? |
| 18:33.56 | tru_`z24 | if apache2 sigterms, how can i track down the reason? |
| 18:33.59 | simonrvn | depends on how you define stable and normal usage |
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| 18:34.45 | simonrvn | tru_`z24: by reading your logs |
| 18:34.49 | rpedro__ | I mean if it's still receiving a lot of packages from 'unstable' |
| 18:34.51 | wols | rpedro__: there is the old saying, "if you have to ask..." |
| 18:35.10 | wols | rpedro__: it will receive new ones from unstable until it's frozen |
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| 18:35.20 | simonrvn | rpedro__: uh duh, it's testing |
| 18:35.21 | wols | which is quite some time off imho. more than a year I'd say |
| 18:35.28 | rpedro__ | hehe |
| 18:35.41 | simonrvn | goes with the territory |
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| 18:36.03 | rpedro__ | I used kanotix with the unstable branch, and it seemed rock solid |
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| 18:36.23 | rpedro__ | a few years ago, I mean when I was using that, |
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| 18:36.57 | rpedro__ | got Ubuntu right now, but getting a bit tired of outdated packages, and having to dist-upgrade every 6 months.. :/ |
| 18:37.27 | rpedro__ | though the dist-upgrades, I heard are getting not so buggy |
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| 18:37.38 | stoned | 1 |
| 18:37.51 | wols | on the one hand you complain about "outdated packages" and then you complain about having to upgade too often... which one is it? |
| 18:38.11 | stoned | hey man |
| 18:38.12 | rpedro__ | upgrade -> to outdated packages?.... |
| 18:38.24 | stoned | stop |
| 18:38.26 | Kerr | i've just got a smartphone and want to use it for my debian box, but don't know where to start. My box is currently offline (phone is the only way i can get online) - i know how to enable the modem feature on the phone, but aside from that, where do i start? |
| 18:38.27 | simonrvn | 2 |
| 18:38.30 | stoned | just think for a moment |
| 18:38.44 | abrotman | isn't there a bleeding edge ubuntu ? |
| 18:38.52 | stoned | you want latest software which might be buggy and unstable or do you want a systme that works and is very stable |
| 18:38.56 | jetscreamer | gutsy |
| 18:38.57 | rpedro__ | abrotman: I think no....... |
| 18:38.59 | stoned | make your decision and use what you want |
| 18:38.59 | Kerr | use it as a modem for^ |
| 18:39.02 | stoned | stop bitching and moaning |
| 18:39.03 | abrotman | rpedro__: i think yes .. ask #ubuntu |
| 18:39.04 | stoned | ok? |
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| 18:39.21 | jetscreamer | but the feisty is like just a few minor versions behind sid |
| 18:39.25 | jetscreamer | or was |
| 18:39.26 | simonrvn | i think so too |
| 18:39.28 | rpedro__ | stoned: ok :D |
| 18:39.42 | stoned | good |
| 18:39.46 | jeffwheeler | ask in #ubuntu+1 |
| 18:40.03 | |porta| | aptitude says i need to install OB packages.. i did aptitude install OB and it wouldn't |
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| 18:40.13 | stoned | no man |
| 18:40.14 | stoned | lol |
| 18:40.17 | abrotman | what is OB ? |
| 18:40.29 | |porta| | ?? |
| 18:40.30 | jeffwheeler | Ha, "ubotu" -- clever |
| 18:40.38 | jetscreamer | not very |
| 18:40.39 | stoned | dudes |
| 18:40.44 | jetscreamer | bottu was before that |
| 18:40.51 | wols | stoned: yes dudette? |
| 18:40.52 | stoned | can we not discuss bund tutty in here |
| 18:40.56 | jetscreamer | imo they got the idea from me |
| 18:41.00 | |porta| | i used aptitude to download the debian version of ndiswrapper and it muched up and i tride to reinstall it |
| 18:41.00 | jetscreamer | or afaict |
| 18:41.01 | stoned | i call ubuntu bund tutty |
| 18:41.06 | jetscreamer | &uptime |
| 18:41.11 | stoned | in my language bung means ass and tutty means fecal matter |
| 18:41.11 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 18:41.13 | stoned | ahem |
| 18:41.20 | simonrvn | @uptime |
| 18:41.22 | stoned | so anyway... |
| 18:41.24 | |porta| | need OB of archives |
| 18:41.35 | stoned | |porta|: it means aptitude does not need to isntall anything |
| 18:41.35 | abrotman | that's a 0 ? not an O ? |
| 18:41.36 | wols | portofu: 0B = 0 bytes |
| 18:41.37 | jetscreamer | bung is like a stopper on a cask |
| 18:41.42 | stoned | it means 0 Bytes in packages |
| 18:41.46 | stoned | jetscreamer: thats a bung |
| 18:41.51 | stoned | bund != bung |
| 18:42.00 | |porta| | ? so that was a good install? |
| 18:42.01 | bungnugget | hola |
| 18:42.04 | bungnugget | :) |
| 18:42.09 | bungnugget | |porta|: seems fine |
| 18:42.12 | simonrvn | |porta|: are you for real? |
| 18:42.19 | wols | portofu: how did you install it? |
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| 18:42.29 | jetscreamer | [13.41.23] <stoned> in my language bung means ass and ... |
| 18:42.35 | bungnugget | oh |
| 18:42.36 | |porta| | aptitude install ndiswrapper |
| 18:42.38 | bungnugget | bund I meant |
| 18:42.40 | wols | |porta|: dpkg has a factoid about how to do it. and you didn't do it that way |
| 18:42.49 | wols | portofu: that is wrong |
| 18:42.50 | bungnugget | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:42.50 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (i386 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 18:42.55 | abrotman | which version of debian is |porta| using ? |
| 18:43.03 | abrotman | quit changing nicks .. tard |
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| 18:43.18 | bungnugget | follow the almighty dpkg's instructions and there will be much rejoicing |
| 18:43.25 | |porta| | after ndiswrapper is installed i have to do ndiswrapper -l windriverforwifi |
| 18:43.29 | wols | abrotman: more importantly, what WLAN chip |
| 18:43.46 | |porta| | then ndiswrapper -m then modprob ndiswrapper and it gets an alias |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | |porta|: which veresion of debian ? |
| 18:44.14 | |porta| | i just burned the cd today to latest |
| 18:44.21 | abrotman | latest what? |
| 18:44.22 | |porta| | *so |
| 18:44.26 | simonrvn | debian iNeedMyMeds |
| 18:44.33 | wols | portofu: uname -a. does it say 2.6.18? |
| 18:44.35 | bungnugget | simonrvn: ? |
| 18:44.49 | wols | bungnugget: try that one. I know you could use it |
| 18:45.01 | bungnugget | wols? |
| 18:45.11 | bungnugget | I could use what? |
| 18:45.14 | |porta| | debian 4.0 |
| 18:45.20 | wols | simonrvn: is there a version that forcfeds him his meds? |
| 18:45.29 | wols | *forcefeds |
| 18:45.32 | wols | bungnugget: more meds |
| 18:45.32 | jeffwheeler | |porta|: Stable? |
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| 18:45.35 | simonrvn | wols: what are you talking about? |
| 18:45.38 | |porta| | yes |
| 18:45.38 | abrotman | |porta|: `uname -a` .. what does it say ? |
| 18:45.57 | wols | simonrvn: meds |
| 18:45.59 | |porta| | ak.... 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:46.09 | |porta| | ?? debian page said 4 |
| 18:46.13 | abrotman | ignoring that his kernel is out of date already |
| 18:46.23 | simonrvn | !version |
| 18:46.24 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 18:46.24 | jetscreamer | that's the default |
| 18:46.32 | simonrvn | |porta|: ^^^ |
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| 18:46.34 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:46.35 | Kerr | too many crazies.. must be sunday |
| 18:46.35 | bungnugget | I wonder what my kernel is |
| 18:46.36 | jetscreamer | and with the new 'version' stuff |
| 18:46.38 | wols | jetscreamer: 4.0r0 yes, 4.0r1: no |
| 18:46.44 | bungnugget | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:46.45 | bungnugget | oh |
| 18:46.49 | bungnugget | well i'll be damned |
| 18:47.09 | bungnugget | heh |
| 18:47.22 | |porta| | ?? then i need to upgrade even though it is a new burned cd??? |
| 18:47.26 | simonrvn | problem is he doesn't exist |
| 18:47.29 | jetscreamer | wrong |
| 18:47.42 | abrotman | |porta|: yes |
| 18:47.45 | bungnugget | simonrvn: well at least thats what he has convinced us of... his greatest trick |
| 18:47.51 | bungnugget | just like Keyser Soze |
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| 18:47.52 | jetscreamer | 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:47.52 | bungnugget | :) |
| 18:47.53 | abrotman | |porta|: it's a security update |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | jetscreamer: -4 is out of date |
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| 18:48.24 | simonrvn | bungnugget: switch "brands" dude ;) |
| 18:48.36 | bungnugget | brands? |
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| 18:48.43 | bungnugget | what dude? |
| 18:48.45 | Kerr | what is the easiest way to se your phone up as a usb modem in debian, assuming the phone has a modem feature. |
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| 18:48.52 | simonrvn | *puff puff pass* |
| 18:48.55 | wols | simonrvn: is there more than one bung or more than one nugget? |
| 18:48.55 | bungnugget | hehe |
| 18:48.57 | bungnugget | word |
| 18:48.57 | |porta| | can i use aptitude or do i have to use synaptic? |
| 18:48.59 | pfe1223 | When booting Etch, I get the following message: eth1 unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 18:49.05 | bungnugget | aptitude will work fine |porta| |
| 18:49.30 | wols | Kerr: usb modems are iffy |
| 18:49.36 | bungnugget | wols: a nugget that comes out of a bung == ? take a wild guess |
| 18:49.38 | |porta| | here's another off the wall question aptitude search kern?? |
| 18:49.46 | wols | Kerr: plug it in and check dmesg for starters. and lsusb |
| 18:49.52 | bungnugget | !wayttd |porta| |
| 18:49.52 | jetscreamer | it's what comes with the installer |
| 18:49.52 | jetscreamer | and after dist-upgrade |
| 18:49.52 | jetscreamer | use either |
| 18:49.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, |porta|? |
| 18:49.55 | jetscreamer | linux-image is what you might search with |
| 18:49.58 | jetscreamer | for |
| 18:50.11 | jetscreamer | aptitude search linux-image |
| 18:50.12 | wols | |porta|: linux-image |
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| 18:50.21 | wols | portofu: and simply running aptitude upgrade should work |
| 18:50.22 | simonrvn | i asked him/her that 15 minutes ago |
| 18:50.30 | abrotman | ndiswrapper |
| 18:50.34 | bungnugget | simonrvn: /sigh ? |
| 18:50.36 | bungnugget | :/ |
| 18:50.37 | wols | simonrvn: you didn't really expect an answer, did you? |
| 18:51.05 | simonrvn | so why is s/he trying to install "0B" and doing this backasswards? |
| 18:51.17 | jetscreamer | i installed etch then upgraded to testing, and did a full install of my --get-selections along with dist-upgrade ... i'm looking at 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:51.21 | Zakoota_Djinn | lol |
| 18:51.23 | Zakoota_Djinn | install 0B |
| 18:51.25 | Zakoota_Djinn | thats priceless |
| 18:51.28 | RvGaTe | I |
| 18:51.29 | jetscreamer | running .21 atm though |
| 18:51.45 | simonrvn | tbh it should be a QOTD |
| 18:51.50 | Zakoota_Djinn | lol |
| 18:51.52 | Zakoota_Djinn | add it |
| 18:51.52 | jetscreamer | did the --set-selections when it was still etch i mean |
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| 18:52.27 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: that would matter yes |
| 18:52.30 | Kerr | wols: i won't have the net at home for another few weeks (i'm typing on the phone atm) so iffy as it is it is my only choice.. theres a catch though. when it's in use as a modem i can't use it to ssh in to my irssi shell and ask here |
| 18:52.43 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
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| 18:53.00 | jetscreamer | i used goodbye-windows.com though.. nevermind |
| 18:53.44 | jeffwheeler | What's the advantage of using update-inetd? The man page for it seems to indicate that the entry for the --add option is added pretty much verbatim, so it would be the same as editing the file itself? |
| 18:53.50 | |porta| | .. i need to reboot right? |
| 18:54.10 | Zakoota_Djinn | !debian.exe |
| 18:54.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 18:54.12 | simonrvn | !qotd198 is <reply>|porta|> aptitude says i need to install OB packages.. i did aptitude install OB and it wouldn't |
| 18:54.12 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 18:54.15 | Zakoota_Djinn | i love this proram |
| 18:54.19 | Kerr | i'm guessing it's probably too complex to be relayed in such a manner as required to both test it and ask for help here. maybe i should just wait untill i get the net back |
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| 18:55.26 | simonrvn | |porta|: for a new kernel? yes |
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| 18:57.20 | Zakoota_Djinn | simonrvn: you like horror flicks |
| 18:57.30 | Zakoota_Djinn | simonrvn: check out Jeepers Creepers 1& 2 |
| 18:57.58 | simonrvn | i think i've seen those |
| 18:58.14 | |porta| | damn.. wtf.... same version number |
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| 18:59.15 | jetscreamer | the updates are installed in a seperate fashion |
| 18:59.19 | RvGaTe | hey, i'm having problems installing the nvidia drivers on debian lenny using kernel version 2.6.21-2-k7, im trying to do it with the module assistant, but it gives me an error like: "failed to determine PATCHLEVEL!" ( after entering /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv) ... any idea's on how to fix this? |
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| 18:59.20 | jetscreamer | the version # stays the same |
| 18:59.31 | jetscreamer | .21 won't work anyway |
| 18:59.33 | JordiGH | Why haven't there been any testing CDs made since May? I didn't find any threads about this d-devel. |
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| 18:59.37 | jetscreamer | it has paravirt_ops |
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| 18:59.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask on the debian-devel mailing list :) |
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| 19:00.53 | _ad_ | hi folks: how do i force apt-get to install the "suggested packages" as well the "recommended packages"? |
| 19:01.05 | abrotman | use aptitude |
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| 19:01.24 | _ad_ | ok, i will try that |
| 19:01.25 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm scared. But ok. |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | _ad_: oh .. you want them also .. hrm ... |
| 19:01.50 | |porta| | Anyone have a gallon of gass and a match? |
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| 19:02.07 | simonrvn | not together |
| 19:02.07 | RvGaTe | |porta|, got a spoon with it ? |
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| 19:02.18 | jetscreamer | aptitude install --with-recommends |
| 19:02.20 | _ad_ | abrotman: yes, i want them all :-) |
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| 19:02.32 | pfe1223 | Can anybody tell me what this error meassage means: eth1 unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 19:02.48 | jetscreamer | or |
| 19:02.50 | magicninja | hi all |
| 19:02.56 | jetscreamer | aptitude install --with-suggests rather |
| 19:03.06 | jetscreamer | man aptitude |
| 19:03.16 | wols | pfe1223: it thinks it's not ethernet |
| 19:03.22 | _ad_ | jetscreamer: thx |
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| 19:03.45 | guhhh | does anyone know how its called when someone hijackes your system and when someone cryptographic your filesystem and asks for a payment? |
| 19:03.45 | pfe1223 | wols: how do I got about correcting this? |
| 19:04.05 | wols | damn, ethernet ist ieee 802.x :( |
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| 19:04.11 | offshore | Hi, how do i get read write access to a NTFS Partition ? |
| 19:04.14 | wols | ieee 801 is only some sort of auth |
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| 19:04.23 | wols | offshore: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 19:04.24 | ricky | guhhh: Extortion? |
| 19:04.45 | wols | guhhh: blackmail. ransomware |
| 19:04.51 | jetscreamer | #/dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs-3g noauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 19:04.57 | guhhh | wols: thanks |
| 19:05.04 | simonrvn | guhhh: chase them with a baseball bat? |
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| 19:05.16 | zms | how do I make a dom0 kernel for xen (for 2.6.22) |
| 19:05.16 | guhhh | lol! |
| 19:05.48 | magicninja | hi all |
| 19:05.52 | magicninja | i've this error on noot : |
| 19:05.57 | magicninja | hald-addon-acpi[2754]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002ab7689d153b rsp 00007fff427c7360 error 4 |
| 19:06.10 | magicninja | how can i make a report of that ? |
| 19:06.13 | jetscreamer | try noacpi on the boot line |
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| 19:06.25 | jetscreamer | !bugs |
| 19:06.27 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 19:06.31 | jetscreamer | !bug |
| 19:06.31 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:06.52 | magicninja | jetscreamer: yes, but i guess i should provide some hardware information |
| 19:06.52 | RvGaTe | can anyone help me :( i really need my display drivers... ? |
| 19:07.00 | abrotman | use vesa |
| 19:07.00 | magicninja | and i dunno which one will be usefull |
| 19:07.16 | RvGaTe | abrotman, does that support dual screen ? |
| 19:07.26 | jetscreamer | use .18 or .22 kernel, RvGaTe |
| 19:07.37 | jetscreamer | or recompile .21 or .20 |
| 19:07.49 | jetscreamer | w/o paravirt_ops |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | RvGaTe: hahhahahaha |
| 19:07.52 | xand | !help RvGaTe |
| 19:08.18 | RvGaTe | abrotman, seriously... how is that funny ? |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it's vesa |
| 19:08.42 | RvGaTe | abrotman, ok... and? what if i dotn know vesa... |
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| 19:09.13 | Avt3kk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.17 | RvGaTe | abrotman, u're not really helping me... ubt hey, you got ur laugh... |
| 19:09.23 | abrotman | Avt3kk: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | RvGaTe: use whole words |
| 19:09.36 | jeffwheeler | RvGaTe: did you used to hang out at kirupa.com regularly? |
| 19:09.45 | RvGaTe | jeffwheeler, yup, thats me |
| 19:09.47 | Avt3kk | Avt3kk: this is not #debian lmfaoooo :/ |
| 19:09.52 | jeffwheeler | RvGaTe: I'm nokrev :) |
| 19:10.00 | RvGaTe | jeffwheeler, hi... |
| 19:10.07 | RvGaTe | jetscreamer, im using lenny, is it ok for me to grab the .22 from sid ? |
| 19:10.10 | xand | Avt3kk: yes it is, but it's not #ubuntu |
| 19:11.10 | Avt3kk | im trying to install ymessy in dapper but first I need libssl0.9.6? |
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| 19:11.30 | abrotman | Avt3kk: go to #ubuntu |
| 19:11.34 | xand | Avt3kk: we don't support ubuntu here |
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| 19:11.47 | zms | where do I get dom0 for 2.6.22 (or does the question even does not make sense)? |
| 19:11.57 | xand | !xen |
| 19:11.58 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:11.58 | stephan | hi, with which tool i can find out in which package the binary $foo is located? |
| 19:12.07 | Avt3kk | um ok tahx :D |
| 19:12.09 | abrotman | !tell stephan about search |
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| 19:12.15 | xand | stephan: dpkg -S if it's installed |
| 19:12.20 | stephan | ah okay |
| 19:12.22 | xand | s/if/iff |
| 19:12.23 | zms | thanks xand |
| 19:12.40 | stephan | thank you |
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| 19:13.59 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 19:16.21 | |porta| | where is the repository addess list? |
| 19:16.52 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt |
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| 19:17.05 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 19:17.05 | dpkg | [sources] /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 19:17.09 | stephan | ah apt-file is cool |
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| 19:17.38 | |porta| | ty |
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| 19:18.30 | RvGaTe | jetscreamer, im rebooting into .22, you better be right about this :P |
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| 19:19.35 | jetscreamer | i'm always right |
| 19:19.41 | jetscreamer | unless i'm wrong of course |
| 19:19.41 | insomnis | Always. |
| 19:19.47 | insomnis | Of course. |
| 19:19.48 | abrotman | ha! |
| 19:20.02 | jetscreamer | but that one i know |
| 19:20.03 | insomnis | IN·SOMNIS·MEIS |
| 19:20.18 | jetscreamer | make sure you don't need nvidia-legacy or whatever |
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| 19:22.28 | snowbird | slowly scanning upc code |
| 19:22.37 | ma3x | hi, when I boot I get a screen that blinks with hackerish characters, and then a smily face shows up. just like a bugged DOS screen. I expect the boot loader instead of that crap. if I boot with ubuntu CD and then select boot from first device, it works - grub shows. but otherwise I only get this buggy screen. what do I do? I already booted with the live cd and did install and update grub with root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) |
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| 19:24.49 | wAndyw78 | A smily face? MBR virus? |
| 19:25.03 | ma3x | I don't know what it is |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | ma3x: ask google |
| 19:25.10 | ma3x | it's not exactly a smiley face, but it looks like that |
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| 19:25.42 | eth01 | build essentials << does this still exist? |
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| 19:25.51 | snowbird | a linxu virus? |
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| 19:25.57 | snowbird | oops linux? |
| 19:25.59 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 19:25.59 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 19:27.34 | DustyBin | if you place a executable script inside /etc/init.d/ will it be started automatically at boot time, or do you need to do something else in order to activate it? |
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| 19:28.05 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 19:28.05 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 19:28.16 | ma3x | how do I clear the mbr? |
| 19:28.16 | stephan | hey, if my frontside bus of CPU is only 100mhz i have no performance benefits of using ram with 133mhz, is this true? |
| 19:28.26 | abrotman | stephan: correct |
| 19:28.39 | stephan | okay |
| 19:28.56 | DustyBin | aye thanks |
| 19:29.05 | stephan | i have an old machine and i had 256 mb of 133mhz ram in it, and i put to it 256 mb 100mhz ram |
| 19:29.31 | stephan | they run now with 100 mhz, so 512 will be better because 133mhz would not give performance benefits |
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| 19:30.31 | ma3x | how do I clear the mbr? |
| 19:31.01 | snowbird | have u ran a linux virus scan |
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| 19:31.06 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 19:31.52 | ma3x | linux virus scan? |
| 19:32.05 | mindmedic | ma3x: clearing it doesn't make much sense, just install the new bootsector over it |
| 19:32.15 | ma3x | mindmedic I tried 3 times, it won't work |
| 19:32.28 | ma3x | the stupid dos bugged chars screen appears again and again |
| 19:32.34 | |porta| | using atitude upgrade linux-image and sym, and update manager... still same kernal version |
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| 19:32.48 | jetscreamer | yes it will be |
| 19:32.49 | abrotman | |porta|: dist-upgrade |
| 19:32.57 | ma3x | abrotman I can't - no camera right now |
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| 19:33.19 | RvGaTe | jetscreamer, hey, using the .22 kernel worked like a charm for the m-a, thx allot for the tip :) |
| 19:33.23 | mindmedic | ma3x: the dos format command has an /mbr option for resetting the mbr to a standard one (which boots from the first partition marked as bootable) |
| 19:33.26 | jetscreamer | np |
| 19:33.36 | jetscreamer | fdisk /mbr you mean |
| 19:33.40 | jetscreamer | not format |
| 19:33.45 | ma3x | that's for windows |
| 19:33.55 | ma3x | it doesnt work in fdisk for linux? |
| 19:33.58 | abrotman | so just install grub in your mbr again |
| 19:34.06 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 |
| 19:34.10 | mindmedic | jetscreamer: oops, you are right |
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| 19:34.40 | ma3x | abrotman I did that |
| 19:34.43 | ma3x | I'll try again now |
| 19:34.47 | abrotman | maybe you did it wrong |
| 19:34.59 | ma3x | I did it like this |
| 19:35.02 | jetscreamer | it's different from a livecd or a chroot |
| 19:35.12 | ma3x | 'grub' then 'root (hd0,0)' then 'setup (hd0)' |
| 19:35.32 | mindmedic | anyone uses vnc to remotely control a single window. (i want to run a windows application in its own window) |
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| 19:35.41 | ma3x | ok, let me retry now |
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| 19:37.49 | ma3x | hey thanks it worked now |
| 19:37.57 | stephan | debian is really cool |
| 19:38.06 | ma3x | can't understand why when I used my method, it wasn't working? what's the difference? |
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| 19:40.46 | Budweiser | any one speak spanish? |
| 19:40.53 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 19:40.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:41.25 | wAndyw78 | yes, there are many people speaking spanish... |
| 19:41.36 | Bogus8 | having some issues installing ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 apt is giving me a 404 error |
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| 19:41.50 | xand | Budweiser: millions of people in spain, mexico etc |
| 19:42.02 | Bogus8 | I assume that is all I need to install to get my wireless card working |
| 19:42.10 | Budweiser | in this channel any one speak spanish?? |
| 19:42.13 | Budweiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.14 | hark | Bogus8: that's the old kernel now, use m-a instead |
| 19:42.29 | Bogus8 | hark: m-a? |
| 19:42.37 | |porta| | abrotman: what am i doing wrong???? |
| 19:42.40 | xand | Budweiser: this channel is english only... try #debian-es |
| 19:42.49 | abrotman | |porta|: i don' tknow what your'e doing |
| 19:42.54 | Budweiser | i have problem whit driver of me ati radeon.. |
| 19:43.02 | abrotman | Bogus8: aptitude update .. try again |
| 19:43.04 | Budweiser | i cant isntall video driver |
| 19:43.05 | |porta| | trying to upgrade the kernel |
| 19:43.14 | abrotman | Bogus8: might have to dist-upgrade if the kernel is held back |
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| 19:44.07 | Bogus8 | abrotman: it doesn't say the kernel is being held back or upgraded :( |
| 19:44.15 | abrotman | Bogus8: uname -a |
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| 19:44.47 | xand | what program can I use to print a single page over x sheets? |
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| 19:45.05 | Bogus8 | abrotman: Linux Laptop 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:45.07 | delliott | xand, what file format is the page? |
| 19:45.13 | |porta| | i used aptitude upgrade linux-image aptitude dist-upgrade and used the synaptic and it is the same version as when i startred |
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| 19:45.18 | abrotman | Bogus8: paste your sources somewhere |
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| 19:45.43 | xand | delliott: pdf |
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| 19:46.03 | delliott | Are you saying that you want to print the same page multiple times? |
| 19:46.11 | xand | no, i want to enlarge it |
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| 19:46.30 | Budweiser | i cant install video driver from ati radeon..any one know??? |
| 19:46.34 | xand | so i have several parts (sheets) to join together |
| 19:46.46 | delliott | xand, not sure about that. |
| 19:46.58 | xand | maybe i can use imagemagick or something to split it up |
| 19:47.06 | Bogus8 | abrotman: keep in mind I have unstable held back in my conf. http://www.pastebin.ca/663640 |
| 19:47.10 | Budweiser | i cant install video driver from ati radeon..any one know??? |
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| 19:47.32 | abrotman | Bogus8: mixing is *really* bad |
| 19:47.39 | delliott | Budweiser, http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html might help |
| 19:47.50 | abrotman | Bogus8: what's your CPU ? |
| 19:48.05 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I don't really mix... I only set it up I really haven't used it, I have APT::Default-Release "stable"; in conf |
| 19:48.07 | Bogus8 | abrotman: intel celeron |
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| 19:48.14 | Bogus8 | abrotman: Wow! not |
| 19:48.17 | Bogus8 | no centrino |
| 19:48.23 | abrotman | Bogus8: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:48.36 | sarixe | !fglrx |
| 19:48.36 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 19:49.02 | Bogus8 | abrotman: so .18-4 is not newer than plain 2.6? |
| 19:49.12 | abrotman | Bogus8: there's a -5 out there |
| 19:49.16 | hark | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 19:49.19 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 19:49.47 | mcfloppy | hello |
| 19:49.48 | jetscreamer | the security updates are not reflected in uname -r |
| 19:49.52 | Bogus8 | so it's better to just install the less descriptive one as it will install the "latest"? |
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| 19:49.57 | sarixe | iceweasel always tells me that it's not the default browser, even when i tell it to become the default browser. and then every link i click opens up in gnome's browser. |
| 19:50.02 | hark | Bogus8: once you get that installed, "m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945" |
| 19:50.05 | mcfloppy | have you a idea? |
| 19:50.08 | mcfloppy | E [19/Aug/2007:18:44:56 +0200] SLPReg of "Dymo" failed with status -20! |
| 19:50.08 | mcfloppy | E [19/Aug/2007:18:44:58 +0200] SLPReg of "HP_LJ_front" failed with status -20! |
| 19:50.08 | mcfloppy | E [19/Aug/2007:18:44:59 +0200] SLPReg of "lj4" failed with status -20! |
| 19:50.08 | mcfloppy | E [19/Aug/2007:18:45:00 +0200] SLPReg of "HPDJ815C" failed with status -20! |
| 19:50.13 | sarixe | how do i get iceweasel to become the default? |
| 19:50.56 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives sarixe |
| 19:51.14 | sarixe | k |
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| 19:51.28 | mindmedic | sarixe: I don't know why iceweasel does that, but if its opened anyway just say "no, dont be the default browser and never ask again" |
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| 19:51.38 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives --all if you're lazy like me |
| 19:51.54 | xand | mcfloppy: dont paste |
| 19:52.03 | xand | bad debhelper |
| 19:52.10 | sarixe | mindmedic : i meant that i want iceweasel to the default. but it never defaults. |
| 19:52.18 | dondelelcaro | sarixe: default for what? |
| 19:52.32 | sarixe | for opening links |
| 19:52.33 | zms | are xen/linux kernels for host only created by xensource?! |
| 19:52.55 | mindmedic | sarixe: you said it already opened by default, it just keeps nagging you with the question at startup |
| 19:52.59 | jetscreamer | the check to see if it's the default thing in iceweasel doens't work |
| 19:53.04 | dondelelcaro | sarixe: if you look at ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser; then it's the default. |
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| 19:53.21 | sarixe | mindmedic : no, i said it opens gnome's browser (epiphany, i think) by default |
| 19:53.28 | sarixe | dondelelcaro : thanks, i'll try |
| 19:53.44 | dondelelcaro | sarixe: if that's not pointing at iceweasel, then update-alternatives --config x-www-browser; |
| 19:53.57 | sarixe | right, thanks |
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| 19:55.00 | hark | sarixe: must be a gnome thing uses try setting it in "gnome-default-applications-properties" |
| 19:55.01 | sarixe | dondelelcaro : worked, thanks |
| 19:55.27 | sarixe | hark : thanks |
| 19:55.35 | dondelelcaro | the gnome default should be to call x-www-browser |
| 19:55.55 | abrotman | there is also a gnome-preferences applet |
| 19:56.07 | hark | yeah, it was sensible-browser iirc |
| 19:56.20 | jetscreamer | take that check mark off in the iceweasel default browser thing if you get sick of seeing it |
| 19:56.35 | jetscreamer | you'll see it everytime iirc |
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| 19:57.09 | sarixe | thanks, guys |
| 19:57.45 | hark | funnily enough, tha option to make iceweasel check whether it's default is not present here |
| 19:58.10 | jetscreamer | here too |
| 19:59.51 | wAndyw78 | The Falg "System Defaults" "Always check to seii if iceweasle ist the default ...." is present here.. v 2.0.0.2 |
| 19:59.56 | wAndyw78 | flag... |
| 20:00.10 | wAndyw78 | argh.. 2.0.0.6 |
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| 20:00.36 | gimmal | hey, got a paste coming up, with a question. There's a deb menu entry I've made in ~/.menu/favorites.menu -- using my own section, for it. It's not showing up. whycome? |
| 20:00.38 | gimmal | in #paste |
| 20:01.28 | gimmal | section="Favorites/Audio" ... I've run update-menus as the user, and have restarted enlightenment, but it's not showing up in E's debian menus view |
| 20:01.30 | wirefire | anyone recommend a good all round ftpd server? |
| 20:01.39 | abrotman | vsftpd or proftpd |
| 20:01.42 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 20:01.42 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 20:01.44 | abrotman | but you sohuldn't use ftp at all |
| 20:02.08 | gimmal | is there a way to view the debian menus in a terminal? |
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| 20:03.56 | Bogus8 | abrotman, hark: ok, cool got my kernel up to date (and rebuilt my nvidia drivers) used m-a to get the ipw3945 modules... now what? |
| 20:04.25 | xand | hmmm... silly... I split an image up using imagemagick's convert, but it doesn't update the exim thumbnail :S |
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| 20:04.30 | abrotman | Bogus8: live happy ? |
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| 20:04.47 | Bogus8 | abrotman: hmm iwconfig has nada... /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 20:04.55 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 20:05.02 | xand | *exif |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | did you get the firmware ? |
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| 20:05.48 | c`alin | I got a buddy who b0rked his MBR, if i were to make a recovery floppy from windows and put the fixmbr tool on it then dd the image off the floppy and send it to him, could he burn that to a CD and boot from it to use the tool? basing my idea off of http://www.ambience.sk/fdisk-master-boot-record-windows-linux-lilo-fixmbr.php |
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| 20:06.26 | Bogus8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.31 | abrotman | need firmware |
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| 20:06.52 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I was reading something on linux laptops or whatever and it just said he needed the modules so I didn't think of that |
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| 20:08.21 | hark | Bogus8: you need the firmware and ipw3945d as well |
| 20:08.50 | Bogus8 | where do I get the firmware? |
| 20:09.08 | hark | it's in non-free |
| 20:09.35 | Bogus8 | found it.. thanks |
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| 20:09.56 | Bogus8 | (old style) ? |
| 20:10.03 | mcfloppy | http://nopaste.bsdforen.de/1187554127 |
| 20:10.06 | mcfloppy | someone a ide? |
| 20:10.08 | mcfloppy | idea? |
| 20:10.12 | xand | is there something i need to do to make gimp see my cups printers? |
| 20:10.19 | mcfloppy | xand says i should nod paste |
| 20:10.22 | mcfloppy | ;) |
| 20:10.42 | snowbird | simonrvn: |
| 20:10.47 | Bogus8 | should I get the firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 20:11.04 | Bogus8 | the 3945 says "old style" |
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| 20:12.31 | pilgrim | My network activity is really high; I'm not downloading anything. Any clues as to what's going on? I'm going crazy. |
| 20:12.42 | hark | yeah, the new drivers do not need the binary daemon, but not sure if the iwlwifi drivers are there |
| 20:13.12 | Bogus8 | so I SHOULD get the iwlwifi? |
| 20:13.24 | hark | if you want to |
| 20:13.42 | Bogus8 | I tried starting the daemon with the 3945 and it said "driver not loaded." |
| 20:13.43 | abrotman | pilgrim: use a tool to check |
| 20:13.48 | xand | pilgrim: run ntop? |
| 20:14.14 | hark | Bogus8: just modprobe ipw3945 |
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| 20:14.45 | Bogus8 | hark: ah ok... I haven't used modprob in forever... sorry.. very new at futzing with drivers |
| 20:15.00 | Bogus8 | modprob returned the same output (no driver) |
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| 20:15.07 | Bogus8 | sorry driver not loaded |
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| 20:16.24 | |porta| | Why would modprobe send a FATAL error back on a command if it is loading? |
| 20:17.21 | jetx | wrong module |
| 20:17.28 | |porta| | ? |
| 20:17.33 | gimmal | anyone have any experience about debian menu entries? trying to figure out why a user menu file is not affecting the menu |
| 20:17.35 | hark | Bogus8: what's the error? |
| 20:17.37 | jetx | try a different one |
| 20:17.54 | Bogus8 | hark: * Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded. |
| 20:17.59 | |porta| | it is the only one for this.. |
| 20:18.02 | |porta| | grrr |
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| 20:18.19 | hark | Bogus8: with the modprobe? |
| 20:18.24 | Bogus8 | hark: yes sir |
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| 20:19.01 | |porta| | is there a newer ndiswrapper within debians web site? |
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| 20:19.11 | |porta| | when i do a search nothing shows up. |
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| 20:20.00 | hark | Bogus8: which firmware pacage did you get? |
| 20:20.01 | kn0x | hey quick question guys |
| 20:20.05 | pilgrim | xand, ntop is asking for some sort of password. |
| 20:20.18 | kn0x | i was wondering how i setup compiler flags for debian compilers |
| 20:20.22 | Bogus8 | hark: let me double check |
| 20:20.24 | kn0x | like gentoo's make.conf |
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| 20:20.38 | pilgrim | there was a tool that allows you to see what sites or a IP you're connected to visually. I feel like it had "gorilla" in it's name or something senseless |
| 20:20.38 | xand | pilgrim: you have to pick on |
| 20:20.38 | Bogus8 | firmware-ipw3945 |
| 20:20.41 | xand | e |
| 20:20.43 | kn0x | essentially, I noticed g++/gcc weren't using both of my processors |
| 20:20.51 | kn0x | i just want to do a -j3 flag |
| 20:21.00 | streuner | why? |
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| 20:21.06 | hark | the problem is you tried to start the daemon before the modprobe |
| 20:21.39 | streuner | !gentoosmite kn0x |
| 20:21.40 | kn0x | anyone? |
| 20:21.50 | hark | it's usually started during modprobe itself |
| 20:21.54 | kn0x | streuner: what? |
| 20:21.58 | Bogus8 | hark: I think the problem is that that isn't the wifi card I have *DOH!* |
| 20:22.06 | streuner | there are already optimised libc6's... |
| 20:22.15 | streuner | !info libc6-686 |
| 20:22.28 | kn0x | dpkg: lol thats why i moved to debian! |
| 20:22.34 | Bogus8 | I have the Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG (802.11b/g) |
| 20:22.41 | streuner | !info libc6-i686 |
| 20:22.43 | dpkg | libc6-i686: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1172 kB, Installed size: 2576 kB |
| 20:22.44 | Bogus8 | I was reading the wrong specs *rolleyes* |
| 20:22.51 | kn0x | no i just want my gcc/gpp to use both processors when compiling |
| 20:23.01 | kn0x | -j(number of procs+1) |
| 20:23.11 | kn0x | i now i can just do that with make |
| 20:23.15 | kn0x | but how do i automate that |
| 20:23.22 | hark | Bogus8: better double check ;) |
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| 20:23.46 | pilgrim | abrotman, what tools can I use to see what's going on in my network |
| 20:23.51 | abrotman | !tell Bogus8 about ipw2200 |
| 20:23.55 | Siddharta | hello gentlemen |
| 20:24.00 | abrotman | !tell Bogus8 about ipw2200 install |
| 20:24.01 | hark | !tell Bogus8 about ip2200 |
| 20:24.08 | abrotman | hrm .. oh well |
| 20:24.08 | Bogus8 | hehe.. ok thanks guys |
| 20:24.18 | Siddharta | i upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 20:24.23 | Bogus8 | hark: how do I "un" m-a the 3945 stuff? |
| 20:24.25 | abrotman | pilgrim: ntop jnettop . .. some thing like a packet sniffer |
| 20:24.33 | abrotman | Bogus8: don't worry about it |
| 20:24.40 | Siddharta | and decided to configure my ipw3945 wireless interface |
| 20:24.54 | Bogus8 | abrotman: ok |
| 20:24.55 | kn0x | dpkg: so do you know how do do that? |
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| 20:25.01 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:25.02 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:25.07 | streuner | kn0x: just ask at #debian-devel (OFTC, irc.debian.org) |
| 20:25.23 | kn0x | o ok |
| 20:25.29 | pilgrim | Does anyone know of a tool that visually shows what connections you have established. |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | kn0x: wouldn't that be in the gcc man page ? |
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| 20:26.18 | |porta| | Need help with wifi :-( |
| 20:26.32 | kn0x | abrotman: ? |
| 20:26.40 | kn0x | abrotman: where do you see that? |
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| 20:26.47 | abrotman | kn0x: i'm asking .. |
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| 20:27.07 | pilgrim | xand, how do i see the results of ntop? |
| 20:27.12 | pilgrim | what's the local url? |
| 20:27.15 | Zakoota_Djinn | streuner: hi |
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| 20:27.36 | streuner | use ONE nick, iam getting confused... |
| 20:27.38 | streuner | hi |
| 20:27.38 | hark | pilgrim: man ntop |
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| 20:28.42 | Nyle | la de da |
| 20:28.46 | Nyle | !ntop[ |
| 20:28.47 | Nyle | !ntop |
| 20:28.48 | dpkg | i guess ntop is at http://www-serra.unipi.it/~ntop/ or i need alpha-dec-osf4 binaries |
| 20:28.52 | Nyle | alright |
| 20:29.11 | Nyle | dpkg, thanks |
| 20:29.11 | dpkg | no problem, Nyle |
| 20:29.13 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:29.14 | asg | Nyle: you can /msg the bot |
| 20:29.19 | Nyle | im aware |
| 20:29.51 | Nyle | asg: so what have you been upto |
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| 20:29.51 | jetx | nyle you bastid |
| 20:29.52 | Siddharta | http://rafb.net/p/AX0Umn39.html here is the output of command |
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| 20:29.52 | Nyle | jetx: ? |
| 20:29.57 | Nyle | whad i do |
| 20:30.02 | jetx | dpkg nyle is stoned |
| 20:30.02 | dpkg | okay, jetx |
| 20:30.12 | asg | Nyle: the usual |
| 20:30.18 | Nyle | jetx: screamer? |
| 20:30.20 | Bogus8 | so now what do I do that I have the firmware downloaded and dropped in /lib/firmware/ ? |
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| 20:30.24 | jetx | !nyle |
| 20:30.24 | dpkg | from memory, nyle is stoned |
| 20:30.28 | Nyle | heh |
| 20:30.31 | streuner | jetx: that sounds like a "statement", not like a factoid ;-) |
| 20:30.32 | Nyle | but what is stoned? |
| 20:30.38 | jelly-home | !stoned |
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| 20:30.49 | hark | Bogus8: modprobe again |
| 20:30.51 | Nyle | hey who addd the touching part |
| 20:30.55 | Nyle | :/ |
| 20:30.57 | Bogus8 | hark: what about insmod? |
| 20:31.03 | jelly-home | !factinfo stoned |
| 20:31.04 | dpkg | stoned -- last modified at Fri Feb 23 03:51:24 2007 by stoned!n=stoned@ip72-192-123-56.ok.ok.cox.net; it has been requested 20 times, last by jelly-home, 25s ago. |
| 20:31.07 | hark | !insmod |
| 20:31.07 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 20:31.11 | jetx | streuner: s/statement/nick/ |
| 20:31.22 | streuner | bah |
| 20:31.26 | jelly-home | Nyle: ... you did, while being stoned? |
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| 20:31.30 | Nyle | nope |
| 20:31.32 | streuner | jetx is not fun today |
| 20:31.32 | Siddharta | does someone could help me with my wireless ipw3945 connection |
| 20:31.33 | smhar | hello friends |
| 20:31.39 | Nyle | I only added my site url for Debian and Music |
| 20:31.43 | Nyle | i didn't add the touching pa rt |
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| 20:31.48 | Nyle | i think it might have been rahul |
| 20:31.50 | jetx | streuner: i'm not myself today... kinda like nyle... |
| 20:31.58 | Bogus8 | hark: these FAQ's need to be updated then |
| 20:32.06 | abrotman | that's a step down |
| 20:32.08 | Siddharta | please, i read the man pages and the configuration examples |
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| 20:32.29 | Siddharta | but no success |
| 20:33.00 | Bogus8 | hark: the module is loaded (according to lsmod) but not being used by anything |
| 20:33.17 | abrotman | kn0x: on irc.oftc.net .. not freenode |
| 20:33.20 | hark | Bogus8: check dmesg |
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| 20:33.50 | Bogus8 | hark: it only has some info about the 3945 |
| 20:33.59 | Bogus8 | assuming from when I was trying to load it |
| 20:34.23 | Bogus8 | wait... it was futher up |
| 20:34.30 | Bogus8 | meaning it loaded on boot though |
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| 20:34.59 | hark | yes, it's already in the kernel, you just need to get the firmware |
| 20:35.04 | Bogus8 | ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 20:35.06 | sanmarcos | ping motherfucker |
| 20:35.11 | Nyle | hey |
| 20:35.14 | Bogus8 | how do I "re-modprob" |
| 20:35.18 | smhar | I have a problem. I managed to install debian stable on an old system replacing an old slackware, using the install floppies and the net, as the system has a faulty cd drive. As the two harddisks are larger than what BIOS can handle(120GB and 320GB compared to 8GB) I installed Grub into /dev/fd0, because th system doesn't seem to boot from the hd. This method was working with slackware for years. now... the floppy boots but grub gives a hardisk boot failur |
| 20:35.19 | smhar | e error.. please help |
| 20:35.20 | nnaway9 | hi all |
| 20:35.21 | Nyle | watch your fucking mouth |
| 20:35.24 | jelly-home | jetx: you're not screaming? |
| 20:35.27 | sanmarcos | Nyle, fuck you |
| 20:35.29 | Nyle | don't curse in here |
| 20:35.32 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:35.33 | hark | Bogus8: ok, how did you place the firmware... |
| 20:35.37 | jetx | huh? |
| 20:35.41 | Nyle | sanmarcos: no thanks, I don't swing that way |
| 20:35.47 | Nyle | yeh |
| 20:35.50 | Nyle | its screamer |
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| 20:35.57 | jetx | oh |
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| 20:36.05 | jelly-home | jetx: I'm referring to the rather shortish nick you're sporting today |
| 20:36.07 | jetx | nah got dropped or something |
| 20:36.15 | jetx | had to /ns ghost |
| 20:36.19 | Bogus8 | hark: like dpkg said... I unpacked the tgz file into /lib/firmware |
| 20:36.30 | jetx | too lazy to change |
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| 20:36.42 | Bogus8 | hark: which means I have "ipw2200-fw-3.0" in firware |
| 20:36.44 | hark | Bogus8: in its own dir? |
| 20:36.52 | Bogus8 | is that right or does it need to be in the root of that dir? |
| 20:36.53 | smhar | oh.. the /boot partition is ext2 and is only around 70mb in the beginning of the first smaller harddisk (/dev/hda 120GB) |
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| 20:37.04 | hark | Bogus8: the latter |
| 20:38.08 | Bogus8 | hark: ok, dropped them in the root of firmware... redid modprobe... still not being used in lsmod and nothing in dmesg |
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| 20:38.22 | frog | hi,what should i install to be able to play encrypted dvds? |
| 20:38.32 | hark | Bogus8: modprobe -r ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 |
| 20:38.54 | jelly-home | hark: no need for rmmod, it won't even load if there's no firmware |
| 20:39.01 | streuner | frog: read xine's FAQ |
| 20:39.05 | hark | then dmesg |tail |
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| 20:39.53 | frog | streuner: thx |
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| 20:39.53 | Bogus8 | hark: looks like it's loading! :) |
| 20:39.56 | hark | show up in iwconfig? |
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| 20:40.18 | Nyle | da da da |
| 20:40.20 | Bogus8 | hark: yep... just need to config it now |
| 20:40.47 | streuner | frog: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236 |
| 20:40.51 | hark | great :), /me is off now |
| 20:41.23 | Bogus8 | hark: GREAT... thanks a bunch man! |
| 20:41.30 | Bogus8 | have a good one man! |
| 20:41.45 | Bogus8 | abrotman: thanks to you also bro! |
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| 20:45.22 | liberion | hey guys ive recompile and installed my new rebuilt kernel and glxgears does not appear and i have nvidia module running |
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| 20:45.36 | snowbird | glx gears nevor spun for me |
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| 20:45.53 | liberion | so why is glxgears showing up ,i mean glxgears is not there |
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| 20:47.20 | liberion | brb |
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| 20:49.09 | sarixe | any such thing as aiglx with fglrx? |
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| 20:49.58 | wols | sarixe: no |
| 20:50.07 | wols | there is xgl tho, but no support for it under #debian |
| 20:50.11 | sarixe | ah |
| 20:50.12 | sarixe | thanks |
| 20:50.13 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.15 | kn0x | ok debian apt noob question |
| 20:50.25 | kn0x | im trying to get the testing version of libc6 |
| 20:50.33 | kn0x | but it tells me its already the latest |
| 20:50.44 | wols | !info libc6 etch |
| 20:50.45 | kn0x | i need libc6 <2.5 |
| 20:50.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 20:50.56 | wols | !info libc6 lenny |
| 20:51.01 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4309 kB, Installed size: 10416 kB |
| 20:51.12 | kn0x | how do i get it from lenny? |
| 20:51.16 | wols | there is no libc6 <2.5 for lenny |
| 20:51.21 | wols | lenny has 2.6 as you can see |
| 20:51.25 | kn0x | ok |
| 20:51.27 | kn0x | thats fin |
| 20:51.32 | kn0x | I mneant >2.5 |
| 20:51.40 | wols | getting a libc6 from another branch is a bad idea |
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| 20:51.52 | kn0x | well how do i get libboost working |
| 20:52.01 | kn0x | i need i tried to build there sources |
| 20:52.14 | kn0x | and they tell me they need libc6 >=2.5 |
| 20:52.25 | wols | !boost |
| 20:52.43 | kn0x | im really confused by sources.list i dunno if that has something to do with why i cant get this libc6 thing to work |
| 20:52.54 | wols | !info libboost-dev |
| 20:52.56 | dpkg | libboost-dev: (Boost C++ Libraries development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.34.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1906 kB, Installed size: 28148 kB |
| 20:53.13 | wols | why can't you apt-get it? |
| 20:53.31 | smhar | I have a problem. I managed to install debian stable on an old system replacing an old slackware, using the install floppies and the net, as the system has a faulty cd drive. As the two harddisks are larger than what BIOS can handle(120GB and 320GB compared to 8GB) I installed Grub into /dev/fd0, because the system doesn't seem to boot from the hd. This method was working with slackware for years. now... the floppy boots but grub gives a hardisk boo |
| 20:53.32 | smhar | t failure error.. please help |
| 20:54.22 | kn0x | wols it doesnt find it |
| 20:54.42 | wols | kn0x: then fix your sources.list |
| 20:54.48 | wols | debian has boost |
| 20:54.56 | wols | kn0x: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:55.11 | wols | smhar: cause you need the kernel on the floppy. not the bootloader |
| 20:55.19 | mr_flea | i'm trying to compile iwlwifi, but i keep getting an error while running make: http://rafb.net/p/WhZH4I91.html |
| 20:55.29 | wols | grub uses the BIOS to boot, so if the BIOS can't boot, neither can grub |
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| 20:56.01 | mr_flea | in fact, most of anything i try to compile fails. i have kernel-headers and build-essential |
| 20:56.18 | smhar | wols, I configured grub from debconf and I thought it will do all the required things!!!! |
| 20:56.39 | smhar | wols, so I just need to copy /boot to /dev/fd0 ? |
| 20:56.41 | wols | !!!! |
| 20:56.41 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 20:56.45 | wols | smhar: no |
| 20:56.53 | smhar | wols, ? then? |
| 20:57.16 | snowbird | wols i got error u wanted tos ee |
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| 20:57.49 | wols | smhar: I'd use something like syslinux |
| 20:58.06 | kn0x | wols: ok thats what i had |
| 20:58.09 | snowbird | wols looks like dhcp is off somewere on here |
| 20:58.11 | kn0x | but i had stable instaed of etch |
| 20:58.23 | kn0x | and now i did an update |
| 20:58.25 | kn0x | after i changed that |
| 20:58.27 | kn0x | and sitll |
| 20:58.29 | [tor] | Is there an easy way to "create" the md5-sums in dists/"component"/Release without using reprepro or doing it by hand? |
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| 20:58.48 | snowbird | yeah k3b compares it |
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| 20:58.59 | wols | kn0x: pastebin your sources.list please |
| 20:59.14 | snowbird | on another distro there supposed to have on disk and err it aint |
| 20:59.25 | wols | snowbird: you STILL haven't told anybody what exactly your problem is, have you? |
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| 20:59.31 | snowbird | il paste |
| 20:59.43 | snowbird | i guess u mised it |
| 20:59.50 | wols | snowbird: I didn't say I want to see the error message. I want to know what your perceived problem is |
| 21:00.10 | kn0x | http://pastebin.ca/663725 |
| 21:00.19 | wols | something along the way of "X doesn't start" or "I don't have internet" or whatever |
| 21:00.26 | smhar | wols, I do not know about syslinux, but I thought the scenario is like this: pc boots BIOS... searches for a system... finds boot loader in floppy... Grub boots... loads kernel from /boot in hardisk... can't we do this? |
| 21:00.40 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/9ExcwT46.html |
| 21:00.46 | snowbird | wols there u go |
| 21:00.54 | wols | kn0x: libboost is available in debian |
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| 21:01.13 | snowbird | wols u see paste |
| 21:01.29 | wols | smhar: no. cause grub hast to use int13 to laod a kernel, but int13h as you said doesn't work for you |
| 21:01.49 | kn0x | E: Couldn't find package libboost |
| 21:01.54 | kn0x | E: Couldn't find package boost |
| 21:02.00 | kn0x | wols: :( |
| 21:02.01 | wols | snowbird: learn to read what other people ask you. then come back |
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| 21:02.33 | adkiekld | does anyone know the benefit of an LVM partition over a non-LVM partition? |
| 21:02.34 | wols | kn0x: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libboost&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 21:02.48 | wols | !tell adkiekld about lvm |
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| 21:03.01 | smhar | wols, I am not sure what int13h is, but I know that when the system was running slackware... It had lilo on the floppy and /boot on the harddisk... and the system could boot |
| 21:03.06 | snowbird | yeah i had dam family come to darn door with something to eat |
| 21:03.14 | wols | int13h is the way your BIOS loads sectors from disk |
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| 21:03.31 | snowbird | mine wols? |
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| 21:03.43 | wols | smhar: can your BIOS recogniue the disk(s)? |
| 21:03.48 | wols | *recognize |
| 21:04.02 | wols | snowbird: yes yours too but it's irrelevant to our discussion |
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| 21:04.28 | adkiekld | That tells me /what/ LVM is, but not if it's better than a non-LVM partition |
| 21:04.36 | wols | !better |
| 21:04.36 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:04.44 | kn0x | wols: thanks :) i found a deb |
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| 21:04.50 | kn0x | but how come apt could find thaat |
| 21:04.51 | kn0x | ? |
| 21:04.51 | smhar | wol.. .yes.. it shows in BIOS but with wrong info... like the size is only 8GB while it is 120GB... this is an old P2 233 pc |
| 21:05.01 | wols | kn0x: cause your sources.list or your system is fubar |
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| 21:05.22 | kn0x | wols: so what do i do to fixxie ? |
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| 21:05.30 | wols | smhar: doesn't matter. reinstall. creeate a /boot partition in the first 8GB of your disk. then you will be able to boot from harddisk. no more floppy at all |
| 21:05.33 | kn0x | please don't tell me the system is fubar |
| 21:05.35 | snowbird | smar thats cause bios can only see that seize drive |
| 21:05.52 | kn0x | ive spent the last 36hours setting it up |
| 21:05.58 | kn0x | this is my primary workstation ;) |
| 21:06.09 | wols | kn0x: why do you have sid and etch both in your sources.list? |
| 21:06.10 | [tor] | Got it my self "apt-ftparchive release" does the trick |
| 21:06.31 | kn0x | wols: kn0x <--- noob |
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| 21:06.38 | kn0x | wols: wols <---- leet |
| 21:06.51 | wols | AKX: BS. flattery will get you nowhere |
| 21:07.03 | kn0x | wols: i guess i should ask you EXACTLY what I should put in my sources.list |
| 21:07.07 | wols | kn0x: rather |
| 21:07.07 | AKX | ... Whut? |
| 21:07.08 | kn0x | cuz i treid to follow the docs |
| 21:07.22 | AKX | Hi to you too, wols. :P |
| 21:07.28 | wols | kn0x: lines for etch and for security.debian.org. nothing else |
| 21:07.34 | kn0x | ok |
| 21:07.43 | wols | use ftp.XX.debian.org where XX is your coutnry code |
| 21:07.56 | smhar | wols, the only difference I made from the old slackware days... is that I split the / partition that was reiserfs and had everything including /boot in it and was working.... I split it into 2.... / with /reiserfs and /boot partition in the beginning of the harddisk with ext system |
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| 21:17.06 | szymon_g | do anyone smokes here? if yes http://www.funnyshows.net/vid.php?id=104 |
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| 21:17.55 | philll | Gute Nacht bis morgen |
| 21:18.15 | smhar | wols, the only difference I made from the old slackware days... is that I split the / partition that was reiserfs and had everything including /boot in it and was working.... I split it into 2.... / with /reiserfs and /boot partition in the beginning of the harddisk with ext system |
| 21:18.56 | Nyle | what? |
| 21:21.26 | Bogus8 | hmm, why is iceweasle not connecting but everything else is? |
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| 21:22.52 | Yusuke^ | maybe identd or something |
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| 21:23.39 | Bogus8 | Yusuke^: identd? that meant for me? |
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| 21:26.02 | Yusuke^ | oh sorry no, that wasn't meant for here |
| 21:26.20 | sarixe | in the gnome volume control app, how do i change which channel is controlled by the popup slider? |
| 21:26.24 | Bogus8 | hehe ok, was wondering :) |
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| 21:27.53 | sarixe | nevermind, i'll bbl |
| 21:28.10 | Yusuke^ | what's the deal with iceweasel anyway.. i tried to install firefox with apt-get and it installed that ._' |
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| 21:30.18 | Budweiser | How do I know the version of Xorg |
| 21:30.53 | abrotman | X -version |
| 21:30.54 | snowbird | ice weasel si fire fox linux name |
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| 21:31.20 | linux_jones | hello |
| 21:31.47 | Yusuke^ | oh.. just was curious why the previous releases used firefox, and the other distros still do |
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| 21:31.58 | Budweiser | thx |
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| 21:32.22 | jetx | because they kiss mozilla.com's ass |
| 21:32.40 | stoned | prawn |
| 21:32.47 | linux_jones | hello stoned |
| 21:32.49 | stoned | hi |
| 21:32.56 | stoned | read about DFSG |
| 21:33.01 | stoned | !firefox |
| 21:33.01 | dpkg | i guess firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 21:33.02 | snowbird | stoned i fetched that error |
| 21:33.06 | linux_jones | ati master |
| 21:33.11 | stoned | snowbird: eh? |
| 21:33.14 | stoned | linux_jones: I try to be |
| 21:33.17 | stoned | not!@ |
| 21:33.18 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:33.31 | snowbird | want see it |
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| 21:33.38 | stoned | umm |
| 21:33.40 | stoned | what? |
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| 21:33.47 | snowbird | il paste it |
| 21:33.57 | linux_jones | so im still having that problem with x and my radeon 9800 pro |
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| 21:34.05 | stoned | what problem? |
| 21:34.06 | linux_jones | at least i think thats whats causeing the sass |
| 21:34.08 | stoned | which driver? |
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| 21:34.26 | linux_jones | it crashes my computer compleately when trying to start x |
| 21:34.34 | linux_jones | how can i find out what driver its using? |
| 21:34.38 | phatmonkey | i have "daily" in one of my logrotate.d configs, but it clearly isn't running daily. i even added the -v switch to the cron job, and i have only received one email from it in a week or so |
| 21:34.48 | phatmonkey | what could be wrong? |
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| 21:34.52 | stoned | linux_jones: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 21:34.55 | amphi | linux_jones: that card should work ok with the xorg ati/radeon driver |
| 21:34.59 | stoned | linux_jones: device section |
| 21:35.15 | snowbird | stoned http://rafb.net/p/d46Vib64.html |
| 21:35.19 | stoned | snowbird: sec |
| 21:35.35 | snowbird | il wait you can lok at it i had it for week |
| 21:35.49 | stoned | snowbird: no idea |
| 21:36.01 | snowbird | shoot |
| 21:36.13 | snowbird | sh t |
| 21:36.28 | stoned | sorry man |
| 21:36.30 | snowbird | play with it |
| 21:36.31 | linux_jones | stoned: under device it says the driver is just ati |
| 21:36.39 | stoned | linux_jones: try radeon |
| 21:36.39 | snowbird | pass it wround |
| 21:36.51 | stoned | linux_jones: also check it out in /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 21:36.56 | stoned | 0 should be |
| 21:37.09 | stoned | look for EE or around end to see why it is crashing |
| 21:37.16 | linux_jones | stoned: sorry im still kinda new to the whole linux thing, how do i just change it? |
| 21:37.26 | linux_jones | and i have already done that, theres no ee anywhere |
| 21:37.33 | stoned | linux_jones: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf change ati to radeon |
| 21:37.38 | stoned | save and startx again |
| 21:37.51 | snowbird | been on it for like 2 years not more ahead than newbie |
| 21:37.58 | stoned | what do you mean it crashes, hangs the entire system? or just X crashes back to console? |
| 21:38.08 | amphi | stoned: that won't do anything, I don't think - ati just loads radeon if a radeon is detected |
| 21:38.21 | stoned | amphi: i thought maybe... |
| 21:39.00 | eimajenthat | hello all, I'm running Lenny, and I noticed in the APT repos that I can install gaim or pidgin. I was under the impression these were the same project. Why are both available? Also, is there a good aim client that's leaner than gaim/pidgin? Besides naim, for aim I like an X-based experience? |
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| 21:39.17 | abrotman | !depends gaim lenny |
| 21:39.19 | stoned | !info gaim lenny |
| 21:39.20 | dpkg | gaim: depends on gaim-data (= 1:2.0.0+beta5-11), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libavahi-compat-howl0 (>= 0.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.10), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-5), libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= ... |
| 21:39.21 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-11 (lenny), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 21:39.25 | linux_jones | stoned, i changed it to radeon, and saved it and ran "X" and the computer crashed, but this time with a very long beep |
| 21:39.26 | abrotman | cute |
| 21:39.29 | stoned | !info pidgin lenny |
| 21:39.32 | abrotman | !info gaim lenny |
| 21:39.33 | dpkg | pidgin: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2508 kB, Installed size: 6828 kB |
| 21:39.34 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-11 (lenny), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 21:39.34 | amphi | stoned: mayhap ati is not loading radeon for some reason; I'd be surprised if that was it |
| 21:39.46 | abrotman | i figured gaim depended on pidgin |
| 21:39.47 | stoned | amphi: which is what i was thinking... kinda |
| 21:39.49 | asg | abrotman: I would |
| 21:39.58 | jetx | dpkg-reconfigure nyle and viola! you have stoned |
| 21:40.02 | stoned | lool |
| 21:40.21 | stoned | I should start a debian based distro |
| 21:40.24 | stoned | and call it Doobian |
| 21:40.27 | stoned | lol |
| 21:40.32 | linux_jones | in the config file it said description was the right card |
| 21:40.47 | jelly-home | jetx: you meant voilà ? |
| 21:41.18 | stoned | its peanut butter jelly time |
| 21:41.39 | snowbird | dobermin>stoned u see dry hydrent |
| 21:41.41 | linux_jones | does that mean im screwed? |
| 21:41.45 | jelly-home | no peanut butter here, but I have a Nutella equivalent |
| 21:41.52 | eimajenthat | thanks, I always underestimate the the vast supply of data the bot can provide |
| 21:41.55 | stoned | snowbird: dude what? |
| 21:42.02 | amphi | linux_jones: you could pastebin your xorg log |
| 21:42.07 | Drevay | hey guys, is it much trouble to get the intel i865 graphics processor to run under Debian 4.0? |
| 21:42.07 | snowbird | doobbian could be a hound |
| 21:42.27 | jelly-home | Drevay: ought to pretty much work out of the box |
| 21:42.30 | stoned | jelly-home: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7689810953756284694&q=family+guy+peanut+butter+jelly+time&total=770&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 |
| 21:42.33 | stoned | check it |
| 21:42.42 | jetx | jelly-home: i have no extended ascii-fu |
| 21:42.43 | Drevay | excellent :D |
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| 21:43.17 | AbsintheSyringe | what's the best debian multimedia mirror, I've got one from debian-multimedia sunet.se and packages arent so good ... |
| 21:43.20 | jelly-home | Drevay: if X configuration asks you about the driver, choose "intel" or "i810" |
| 21:43.26 | AbsintheSyringe | any other recommendations ... |
| 21:43.33 | Drevay | ok |
| 21:43.33 | jetx | !debian-marillay |
| 21:43.36 | jetx | !debian-marillat |
| 21:43.40 | jetx | err |
| 21:43.41 | stoned | !dmm |
| 21:43.41 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 21:43.47 | jetx | !debian-multimedia |
| 21:43.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 21:43.59 | jetx | hax |
| 21:44.04 | AbsintheSyringe | jetx, tnx |
| 21:44.16 | stoned | jelly-home: did you see it yet? |
| 21:44.31 | jelly-home | stoned: woah... video.google.com == youtube? |
| 21:44.48 | stoned | no, google video searches a lot of sites |
| 21:44.59 | Drevay | does anybody know if Debian developers plan to include hard drive partitioning in a future release of Debian (similar to the one in Ubuntu)? |
| 21:45.09 | stoned | umm |
| 21:45.10 | stoned | dude |
| 21:45.11 | jetx | it's like the same thing |
| 21:45.16 | stoned | Drevay: it ALREADYU has it |
| 21:45.22 | jetx | ubuntu takes most everything from debian |
| 21:45.28 | jetx | and just changes it a little |
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| 21:45.41 | Drevay | what i meant was resizing windows partitions and the like |
| 21:45.42 | Drevay | sorry |
| 21:45.45 | jetx | it does that |
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| 21:45.50 | Drevay | :O! |
| 21:45.52 | jetx | !d-i |
| 21:45.52 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:46.20 | Drevay | ok, guess i'll go install and forget about partition magic heh |
| 21:46.22 | Drevay | :) |
| 21:46.25 | linux_jones | how do i start sshd? |
| 21:46.35 | jetx | try a daily/nightly |
| 21:46.45 | Drevay | bbl :D |
| 21:46.48 | jetx | the current stable i'm not sure what it has |
| 21:47.04 | jelly-home | stoned: the banana costume makes me think of pb-banana sandwich instead! Haven't seen it. |
| 21:47.22 | asg | linux_jones: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 21:48.17 | linux_jones | asg: there is no ssh there, does that mean i dont have it? |
| 21:48.24 | asg | linux_jones: yes it does |
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| 21:50.52 | phatmonkey | i have "daily" in one of my logrotate.d configs, but it clearly isn't running daily. i even added the -v switch to the cron job, and i have only received one email from it in a week or so. is something wrong? |
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| 21:52.25 | Ioan | I have trouble making a webcam be recognized : INTEX IT-103WC - does anyone knows how to fix this ? |
| 21:54.33 | Ioan | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/gspca-source - this seem to have the latest drivers - but I still do not know how to get a deb file to install it |
| 21:55.24 | jetx | dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 21:55.24 | dpkg | package blah.deb is already installed |
| 21:55.36 | jetx | but that's source |
| 21:55.42 | jetx | !apt-build |
| 21:55.43 | dpkg | i heard apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
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| 21:57.58 | linux_jones | in installed ssh, but i need to ssh into my linux computer, and that dosent work, what do i install for that? |
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| 21:58.30 | widrone | linux_jones: You got sshd and need a ssh client on "another os"? |
| 21:58.57 | widrone | linux_jones: Or you on a proper os and need to install a ssh client? ;) |
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| 21:59.41 | linux_jones | no i have a ssh client on another computer and need sshd on linux |
| 22:00.12 | karsten | linux_jones: install openssh-server |
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| 22:00.25 | widrone | linux_jones: openssh-server |
| 22:00.31 | sorbieski | boa noite |
| 22:00.31 | jetx | !ssh |
| 22:00.31 | dpkg | i heard ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 22:00.50 | sorbieski | boa noite a todos |
| 22:00.50 | abrotman | jetx: how about one fucking !tell foo about <blah> |
| 22:01.06 | jetx | lazy |
| 22:01.22 | karsten | jetx: Not a good excuse. |
| 22:01.32 | jetx | ok i'll lie then |
| 22:01.42 | jetx | i broke my finger and it hurts to type |
| 22:01.56 | sorbieski | alguem poderia me dar uma ajuda |
| 22:02.01 | jetx | !br |
| 22:02.01 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:02.03 | karsten | sorbieski: english |
| 22:02.07 | stoned | just like you broke your foot and you couldn't hang out with me |
| 22:02.09 | stoned | :) |
| 22:02.11 | sorbieski | ok |
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| 22:02.55 | jetx | i didn't want to admit that i needed my nap |
| 22:03.08 | jetx | and it was toe |
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| 22:08.17 | jetx | i had no idea there were really semi common 20k watches |
| 22:08.32 | jetx | i could see rare or someting but omg |
| 22:08.51 | mmnicolas | i need to make a bash condition, based on the presence of a variable, does anyone knows an easy way for this ? instead of something like this, IFSSH=`export | grep SSH_CONNECTION | wc -l` ? |
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| 22:10.17 | themill_ | mmnicolas: there is a direct syntax for that man test |
| 22:10.19 | jelly-home | mmnicolas: man test. [ -n "$IFSSH" ] will return true if "$IFSSH" is not empty |
| 22:10.22 | jetx | mmnicolas: ask in #bash also |
| 22:10.30 | jetx | or listen to jelly-home |
| 22:10.32 | jetx | or both |
| 22:10.36 | mmnicolas | haha |
| 22:10.37 | mmnicolas | nice thanks |
| 22:10.45 | jelly-home | man [ works too |
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| 22:11.02 | jetx | ah the mysterious [ |
| 22:11.20 | jetx | i wondered once wtf the program named [ was |
| 22:11.32 | mmnicolas | yea that's what i was wondering |
| 22:11.50 | themill_ | Yeah, I remember seeing /usr/bin/[ for the first time and thinking wtf... |
| 22:12.00 | jelly-home | if command; then command; fi |
| 22:12.09 | jelly-home | [ is just another command. |
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| 22:12.56 | guhhh | anyone knows a good article explaining how postfix amavis, clamavis and spamassassin integration works? |
| 22:13.10 | jelly-home | if env | grep -q SSH_CONNECTION; then echo "Hooray!"; fi |
| 22:13.11 | themill_ | I think there's oneon howtoforge |
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| 22:13.22 | mmnicolas | jelly-home: haha |
| 22:13.51 | jelly-home | mmnicolas: grep returns true if it finds something |
| 22:14.07 | themill_ | jelly-home: no.. then killall -9 sshd .... much more fun ;) |
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| 22:14.30 | mmnicolas | ohh nice so i can remove some lines |
| 22:14.49 | linux_jones | ok, anyone still want to take a look at this x output? |
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| 22:14.57 | jelly-home | themill_: I don't use killall. It has quite a different meaning in SVR4 systems (eg. Solaris) |
| 22:14.58 | linux_jones | http://pastebin.com/m5c134ef |
| 22:15.02 | mortenmj | i'm working on getting hibernate up and running the way it should. it suspends, but it doesn't seem to do anything it's told to do in /etc/hibernate/common.conf |
| 22:15.06 | themill_ | mmnicolas: the general rule for bash scripting is that there's always a shorter way of doing it... |
| 22:15.19 | mmnicolas | themill_: hehe nice thinking |
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| 22:15.30 | mortenmj | it doesn't remove modules, doesn't run commands in "OnSuspend" and "OnResume", nothing. what gives? |
| 22:15.34 | stoned | jelly-home: did you see the video yet |
| 22:15.35 | walck | eavning |
| 22:15.51 | themill_ | mmnicolas: you can, however, approach the perl problem of it being a write-only language. |
| 22:16.13 | jelly-home | stoned: yah |
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| 22:16.27 | walck | where would I direct questions and discussions about debian on arm and specifically iop32x? |
| 22:16.27 | jelly-home | stoned: [23:47] <jelly-home> stoned: the banana costume makes me think of pb-banana sandwich instead! Haven't seen it. [before] |
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| 22:16.43 | aryr100 | hello all |
| 22:17.00 | aryr100 | is kde included in 4.0 ? |
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| 22:17.23 | themill_ | aryr100: yes. |
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| 22:18.03 | linux_jones | anyone see anything strange with that? |
| 22:18.10 | jelly-home | walck: possibly #debian-arm on irc.debian.org |
| 22:18.12 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 22:18.13 | dpkg | from memory, arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:18.53 | aryr100 | sorry i mean on install ? |
| 22:19.23 | jetx | on the cd#1 you get a lot of kde |
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| 22:19.44 | themill_ | aryr100: not by default, but you get almost nothing by default with an install. Just a blank console, really. |
| 22:19.46 | jetx | also with the netinst and tasksel you get a little, but it's gnome default iirc |
| 22:19.55 | aryr100 | i have i386 dvd 1 & 2 |
| 22:19.59 | jetx | you can aptitude install kde or so |
| 22:20.03 | jetx | yeah it's on those |
| 22:20.10 | jetx | !kde |
| 22:20.10 | dpkg | hmm... kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
| 22:20.18 | jetx | !install kde |
| 22:20.18 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:20.24 | jetx | there ya go |
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| 22:22.41 | linux_jones | i just want my desktop back |
| 22:23.03 | jelly-home | linux_jones: you have HorizSync and VertRerfresh ranges explicitely set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, even though you don't need to do it |
| 22:23.42 | jetx | !hwinfo |
| 22:23.42 | dpkg | methinks hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 22:23.49 | jetx | use that or comment out the directives |
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| 22:24.36 | linux_jones | that was all done by the install, would that cause it to crash the computer though? |
| 22:24.36 | jetx | it can keep xorg from starting |
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| 22:24.58 | jetx | and it may appear 'crashed' to the inexperienced |
| 22:25.00 | jelly-home | linux_jones: it shouldn't have crashed, but the screen may be black or funny |
| 22:25.44 | jetx | i find putting xvrefresh and xhrefresh in the grub kernel line works nice , esp w/fb |
| 22:26.03 | jelly-home | means the install is buggy. IMHO it ought to detect that your DDC is working and not ask about HorizSync and VertRerfresh ranges at all |
| 22:26.10 | jelly-home | s/install/installer/ |
| 22:26.13 | linux_jones | so remove line 550 to 694? |
| 22:26.17 | jetx | the installer sucks like that |
| 22:26.34 | jetx | installing read-edid seems to help |
| 22:26.40 | jelly-home | linux_jones: what? |
| 22:26.50 | linux_jones | oh |
| 22:27.00 | linux_jones | nothing, i was thinking i was looking at the config file |
| 22:27.02 | jetx | comment out the vert and horiz values in the monitor section |
| 22:27.31 | jetx | or just choose medium when you drxx |
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| 22:27.52 | jelly-home | what he said :-) |
| 22:28.34 | linux_jones | where is the x config file? sorry for so many noob questions |
| 22:28.42 | jelly-home | linux_jones: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:28.58 | jetx | back it up before you edit it |
| 22:28.58 | bulio| | is there any way I can get this to work under debian net install? http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewProduct&cid=5&scid=31&localeCode=EN%5FCAN&pid=1467 |
| 22:29.11 | linux_jones | i was on the right track, do linux put capitols before lowercase in oreder? |
| 22:29.11 | jelly-home | yeah, this sort of thing ought to "just work" but it doesn't just yet |
| 22:29.45 | jelly-home | linux_jones: A-Z ... a-z, right, that's the ASCII order |
| 22:30.28 | jetx | capital |
| 22:30.35 | linux_jones | haha |
| 22:31.30 | walck | jelly-home: thanks, I'll try there :) |
| 22:31.39 | linux_jones | there is no vert and horiz in xorg.conf |
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| 22:32.31 | jetx | then it works and you're hallucinating |
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| 22:32.43 | themill_ | !tell bulio| about wireless |
| 22:33.11 | linux_jones | or it has nothing to do with x? |
| 22:33.18 | jelly-home | linux_jones: this line from log tells otherwise: (WW) RADEON(0): config file hsync range 30-70kHz not within DDC hsync ranges. |
| 22:33.24 | stoned | half hour till I go home |
| 22:33.24 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.42 | jetx | is mine |
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| 22:33.50 | jelly-home | stoned: you work Sundays? |
| 22:33.58 | stoned | mine is 30-96 50-160 |
| 22:34.04 | stoned | jelly-home: yup |
| 22:34.07 | stoned | 10 hours |
| 22:34.19 | jelly-home | mine is nonexistant, as it ought to be |
| 22:35.08 | jelly-home | linux_jones: find Section "Monitor" ... |
| 22:35.23 | linux_jones | yeah, i was looking at screen instead |
| 22:35.37 | jetx | i find that it works better for my laptop when i have the stretch disabled, but i leave the crt one blank likt that on the desktop |
| 22:35.40 | eimajenthat | all the junk that rolls across my screen when I boot my debian craptop. Is it stored in a log file somewhere that I can easily review? |
| 22:35.42 | linux_jones | but i commented it out, and saved it and ran "X" and it crashed again |
| 22:35.58 | linux_jones | eimajenthat: dmesg? |
| 22:36.09 | jetx | !dmesg |
| 22:36.09 | dpkg | somebody said dmesg was print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 22:36.35 | jelly-home | eimajenthat: /var/log/boot, perhaps? |
| 22:37.02 | eimajenthat | linux_jones jelly-home, cool, thanks I'll look into both |
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| 22:37.42 | linux_jones | yay i helped someone |
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| 22:37.56 | jetx | use the values from hwinfo --monitor and set them |
| 22:38.06 | jelly-home | linux_jones: can you pastebin the new /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 22:38.11 | jetx | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:38.19 | jetx | what he said |
| 22:38.49 | jelly-home | jetx: his DDC works fine, reports the few available modes. I guess he has a laptop with 1024x768 |
| 22:39.00 | jelly-home | or an oldish LCD |
| 22:39.00 | linux_jones | me? |
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| 22:39.05 | jelly-home | linux_jones: yes. |
| 22:39.07 | linux_jones | crt |
| 22:39.11 | jelly-home | oh |
| 22:39.14 | linux_jones | old and small |
| 22:39.20 | jelly-home | oh, ok then |
| 22:39.25 | jetx | mine works better with it, but that's mine |
| 22:40.01 | jelly-home | linux_jones: in case of a CRT, you might have better luck by manually specifying ranges like jetx suggests, then |
| 22:40.15 | jetx | apt-get install read-edid |
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| 22:42.12 | linux_jones | ok now what? |
| 22:42.38 | linux_jones | how do i run it? |
| 22:42.48 | timthelion | how do I find out what is causing a filesystem to be read only? |
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| 22:44.03 | timthelion | I have an external hd that when I first mount it is readwrite, but after a while it goes to being read only and I have to remount it. |
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| 22:46.17 | timthelion | wow: ** If you would like advice on using this program, support ** |
| 22:46.18 | timthelion | ** is available for $25 at www.namesys.com/support.html. ** |
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| 22:46.42 | timthelion | I get that when I run fsck on it. I thought debian was above that. |
| 22:46.54 | mr_flea | that's not debian, that's reiser |
| 22:46.55 | jetx | lol |
| 22:47.25 | jelly-home | timthelion: ah, reiserfsck! Brings back bad memories. |
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| 22:48.01 | timthelion | I don't want to use no ad supported nothing! |
| 22:48.08 | linux_jones | ok, parse-edid just freezes |
| 22:48.33 | liberion | hey guys where d i find an unstable sources.list ive been googling with no results |
| 22:48.38 | timthelion | jelly-home: is reiser bad? |
| 22:49.01 | jelly-home | timthelion: there is a number of reasons why not to use it, yes. |
| 22:49.12 | liberion | where do i find an unstable sources.lists ive been looking to no avail please help! |
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| 22:49.41 | jelly-home | liberion: what do you want to use unstable for? |
| 22:49.55 | jelly-home | !unstable |
| 22:49.55 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
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| 22:50.06 | Blwood | !testing |
| 22:50.06 | dpkg | somebody said testing was a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 22:50.11 | linux_jones | so im just screwed? |
| 22:50.22 | liberion | jelly-home, yes i know but where do i find a sources list? |
| 22:50.30 | Budweiser | i have problems to instal ati video driver.... |
| 22:50.42 | jelly-home | liberion: /msg dpkg for the things it told you to "see" |
| 22:50.55 | lordrich | liberion: you mostly just put unstable in your sources.list where it says stable now |
| 22:50.55 | liberion | jelly-home, ok thanx |
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| 22:51.15 | Budweiser | any one plz help me i have probles to install ati video driver |
| 22:51.29 | Blwood | who uses testing in here :) ? |
| 22:51.46 | jelly-home | Blwood: lots of people probably |
| 22:51.47 | liberion | jelly-home, yes i know but i cant seem to find one with non-Us and non-free |
| 22:51.57 | timthelion | Budweiser: I have problems with you writing plz, not please. but tell me more, give me a qoute of an error |
| 22:52.02 | jelly-home | liberion: non-us doesn't exist any more. |
| 22:52.02 | Blwood | testing is very fine if you want to have the last packages :) |
| 22:52.15 | liberion | jelly-home, ahh ok |
| 22:52.24 | jelly-home | liberion: WHY do you want unstable? |
| 22:52.26 | Budweiser | i cant install driver..this is the problem.. |
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| 22:52.39 | timthelion | Budweiser: what stops you from doing so? |
| 22:52.44 | liberion | jelly-home, which is better to have testing or unstable?? |
| 22:52.45 | Budweiser | and no have 3d aceleation |
| 22:53.00 | Spyro_boy | I've tried to google this with no prevail. When I do mc, it just hangs. I use bash on debian AMD64 lenny/sid. |
| 22:53.03 | Spyro_boy | any ideas? |
| 22:53.24 | jelly-home | liberion: unstable should not be used if you're not prepared and ready to deal with breakage in software and report the bugs. |
| 22:53.52 | timthelion | jelly-home: I'm using stable, but will soon upgrade to unstable because I need ghc6.6.1 :) |
| 22:53.56 | jelly-home | liberion: I can't recommend any if I don't know what are you planning to use them for. |
| 22:53.56 | liberion | jelly, so testing is sorta what goes into next release ok |
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| 22:54.10 | jelly-home | liberion: yes. |
| 22:54.13 | liberion | jelly-home, desktop family computer |
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| 22:54.43 | liberion | jelly, so testing would be good to have for a gaming desktop?? |
| 22:54.51 | jelly-home | liberion: testing can also break from time to time. If you need stability, keep stable. |
| 22:55.05 | liberion | jelly-home, ok thanx |
| 22:55.06 | jelly-home | liberion: um, for a gaing desktop use windows xp? :-) |
| 22:55.32 | linux_jones | no desktop |
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| 22:55.39 | liberion | jelly, i use a gaming system fine on another linux desktop |
| 22:55.46 | timthelion | end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 108240863 |
| 22:55.46 | timthelion | REISERFS: abort (device sda1): Journal write error in flush_commit_list |
| 22:55.46 | timthelion | REISERFS: Aborting journal for filesystem on sda1 |
| 22:56.03 | timthelion | I found that in dmesg, could that be causing the spontanios readonly ness? |
| 22:56.29 | jelly-home | timthelion: yes, and it sounds like a hardware error (bad sector, bad cables... etc) |
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| 22:56.49 | timthelion | jelly-home: crap |
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| 22:57.18 | stoned | alright |
| 22:57.20 | stoned | time to go home |
| 22:57.22 | stoned | bye |
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| 22:57.44 | jelly-home | stoned: byez |
| 22:57.48 | Goats | Hi, I'm getting a bunch of errors in the console having to do with tainted modules. Should I paste it in the channel? It is about 22 lines. |
| 22:58.09 | timthelion | !paste |
| 22:58.09 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:58.14 | Goats | Okay. |
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| 22:58.16 | liberion | brbialb |
| 22:58.19 | Spyro_boy | hello. |
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| 22:58.36 | jelly-home | liberion: testing is acceptable if you want relatively fresh versions of Linux software, at the expense of it being a bit flaky |
| 22:58.39 | Spyro_boy | when I run MC in gnome-terminal using bash on AMD64 Debian Lenny/Sid, it just hangs. |
| 22:58.48 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone know why mc just hangs like so? |
| 22:59.01 | jetx | works here |
| 22:59.07 | jetx | try xterm or console |
| 22:59.14 | jetx | maybe you need ncurses |
| 22:59.18 | mortenmj | i'm working on getting hibernate up and running the way it should. it suspends, but it doesn't seem to do anything it's told to do in /etc/hibernate/common.conf. it doesn't remove modules or execute any of the commands i've tried to define with OnSuspend. what gives? |
| 22:59.20 | jelly-home | linux_jones: can you break that edid utility with ctrl-c? |
| 22:59.24 | Spyro_boy | jetx, I tried xterm. |
| 22:59.36 | Spyro_boy | also, it's not complaining about anything |
| 22:59.43 | Goats | Okay, I pasted the errors from the log. http://paste.debian.net/34978 Any ideas? |
| 22:59.45 | Spyro_boy | and I have other ncurses apps I'm usign right now. |
| 22:59.51 | jetx | no idea then |
| 22:59.55 | Spyro_boy | :/ |
| 23:00.11 | Goats | Anyone? |
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| 23:00.42 | Goats | It started happening after I did an apt-get upgrade on the kernel. |
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| 23:01.33 | Goats | ? |
| 23:01.59 | Goats | http://paste.debian.net/34978 is the errors from the log. |
| 23:02.04 | coil | whats the default port for vnc? |
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| 23:02.16 | azeem | Goats: oops |
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| 23:04.30 | troubled | azeem: "oops"? |
| 23:04.47 | jetx | kinda like ooopsies |
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| 23:04.59 | troubled | jetx: well I know what an oops is silly :) |
| 23:05.45 | troubled | just can't tell if it was serious or what he was +b for from my current screen |
| 23:05.48 | jelly-home | linux_jones: what i'd to is put those range settings in xorg.conf back, but use more conservative values. Like VertRefresh 45-90, and HorizSync 30-54 ... that's even less than what monitor said it supported (line 532 in http://pastebin.com/m5c134ef) |
| 23:06.19 | jelly-home | linux_jones: make that VertRefresh 50-90 |
| 23:06.29 | azeem | troubled: did you look at the pastebin? |
| 23:06.41 | azeem | troubled: hint, his nick was "Goats" |
| 23:06.44 | timthelion | jelly-home: thanks for the cable tip, I was using my external hd though this box which has like serial ps2 and usb on it, and I plugged it directly into the usb, and things are much much faster and no error! |
| 23:06.47 | troubled | azeem: no, if it was the paste, i was assuming i wouldnt want to ;) |
| 23:06.48 | jetx | what part of use the values returned by hwinfo --monitor |
| 23:07.11 | troubled | azeem: ahh, good to know then, thanks :) |
| 23:07.59 | jetx | i did. wish i hadn't. |
| 23:08.07 | jetx | well done though. |
| 23:08.17 | troubled | but its a pastebin/text though? he use ascii art or something? |
| 23:08.26 | jetx | exactly |
| 23:08.32 | jelly-home | timthelion: uh. I'd suggest NOT using reiser v3 on hotpluggable disks. :-) ext3 is relatively safe, ext2 more so but needs fscks after a crash |
| 23:08.48 | troubled | ok, thats about as much of my imagination as I think i will try filling in heh |
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| 23:08.49 | jetx | jfs |
| 23:08.52 | jetx | !jfs |
| 23:08.52 | dpkg | hmm... jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it another try... Maybe worth it! |
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| 23:09.24 | timthelion | jelly-home: is there a way to convert the file system, or should I bring the hd up stairs and copy it onto the tower, and reformat? |
| 23:09.42 | jelly-home | jetx: can it be muchly corrupted after a power loss like reiserfs? |
| 23:09.58 | RvGaTe | any guides on how to clean up ur system? as in... remove unnessecary data (bin/sources/.deb's archive) ? |
| 23:10.06 | jetx | i've had one error in a couple years i think |
| 23:10.12 | jelly-home | timthelion: I don't think it can be converted with free software. |
| 23:10.25 | jetx | no the power thing doesn't really happen |
| 23:10.31 | jetx | it checks but no errors |
| 23:10.36 | timthelion | argh, that's going to be a job then. |
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| 23:10.56 | jelly-home | jetx: no _metadata_ errors |
| 23:11.04 | jetx | apt-get autoremove && apt-get clean |
| 23:11.08 | jelly-home | jetx: does jfs checksum data too?" |
| 23:11.08 | jetx | RvGaTe: |
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| 23:11.18 | jetx | jelly-home: not sure |
| 23:11.26 | jetx | i just know i'm happy |
| 23:11.44 | jelly-home | !customer happy :-) |
| 23:11.45 | RvGaTe | jetx, thx, ill write it down |
| 23:12.39 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: there are also deborphan and debfoster. They were created before aptitude, I don't know how well do they mix with it. |
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| 23:13.17 | jelly-home | timthelion: ext3 is the safest option. I use it on me USB backup drive. |
| 23:13.19 | timthelion | well actually, I would *love* a versioning, relational, query/tag bassed high preformance file system, like the one ms has been prommissing since 1995 but... |
| 23:13.35 | troubled | azeem: ident of n=knig in each case for that guy though. Previous nicks include: RichardStallman, TheWisestHuman, ProBush, Goats, InviF. Always same ip it seems. |
| 23:13.38 | jelly-home | *cough*reiserv4*cough* |
| 23:13.59 | timthelion | jelly-home: what was that? |
| 23:14.09 | azeem | troubled: ip or ident? |
| 23:14.10 | jelly-home | what? I didn't say anything. |
| 23:14.15 | jetx | anybody tried ext4 yet? |
| 23:14.34 | creature | So. I have just installed some new RAM in my PC. The PC boots up fine, but! When I try to startx, the display becomes messed up. It has yellow and white lines running vertically, with some other horizontal bands at the bottom. I can still ssh into the machine (it's how I'm IRCing to you now) and there doesn't seem to be any errors in the log. |
| 23:14.37 | timthelion | jelly-home: reiser doesn't have a tag query system does it? |
| 23:14.41 | jelly-home | jetx: let me up that a little bit. anyone tried ixt3? |
| 23:14.45 | CalJohn | jelly-home: well, it's a pretty profoundly broken filesystem at the moment, and the much promised features are actually just potential, rather than certain |
| 23:14.53 | troubled | azeem: both. always same ip and ident from those. and the first 3 were create about 10k uid's ago on my logs, and around same time as well |
| 23:14.54 | karsten | creature: adding ram shouldn't have changed that. |
| 23:14.56 | CalJohn | timthelion: it _could_ do, IIRC |
| 23:14.57 | creature | My guess is that I pushed against the graphics card while installing it and have busted a connection somewhere, but does anyone else have any ideas? |
| 23:15.07 | karsten | creature: Re-seat your cards. |
| 23:15.12 | creature | karsten: I have. |
| 23:15.13 | timthelion | CalJohn: it went away? |
| 23:15.20 | jelly-home | CalJohn: but the pretty pictures in the docs! |
| 23:15.22 | jetx | but the text works eh |
| 23:15.25 | creature | jetx: Yep. |
| 23:15.27 | karsten | creature: Try erasing the contacts (run an eraser over them _lightly_). |
| 23:15.28 | CalJohn | timthelion: the structure of reiser4 would not make it hard to implement |
| 23:15.29 | jetx | just not the gui |
| 23:15.39 | CalJohn | timthelion: what went away? |
| 23:15.44 | jetx | i had a card did that once.. busted. but not saying yours is |
| 23:16.11 | creature | jetx: As soon as I start the GUI, I can't get back into text mode. Or at least I can change back and type commands, but I keep my yellow patterns on the screen. |
| 23:16.19 | timthelion | CalJohn: the structure of ext2 would make it downright easy, each file has an id, perfect for a database, but no-ones done it. |
| 23:16.21 | creature | karsten: I'll try that. Thanks. |
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| 23:16.48 | karsten | creature: If you've damaged just the video card, you may be in luck. If you've banged up or shorted the mobo, you're kinda hosed. |
| 23:16.57 | karsten | creature: HW issues are a PITA to diagnose. |
| 23:17.11 | creature | karsten: I was quite gentle with it, but I'm sure you know what installing RAM in new DIMM slots is like. |
| 23:17.22 | CalJohn | timthelion: easy, but slow. |
| 23:17.35 | jelly-home | timthelion: in fact, you could do it now with extended attributes and custom code |
| 23:17.50 | timthelion | jelly-home: but there aren't cli tools to do it. |
| 23:18.12 | jelly-home | timthelion: hey, it's your itch to scratch, not mine ;-) |
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| 23:18.25 | CalJohn | timthelion: these kind of things only work right if the fs is really designed with the nessicary abstractions in order to allow it |
| 23:18.35 | timthelion | jelly-home: you say that moving around in your seat |
| 23:18.39 | CalJohn | timthelion: are you aware of ext3cow? |
| 23:19.02 | timthelion | CalJohn: that's the image taking thing. |
| 23:19.05 | timthelion | right? |
| 23:19.11 | jelly-home | timthelion: I just hate to mess up the timestamps on my old mp3 files (I'd like to fix them id3tags without actually changing the files) |
| 23:19.22 | jelly-home | !cow |
| 23:19.22 | dpkg | cow is, like, a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
| 23:19.31 | jelly-home | ... |
| 23:19.40 | jelly-home | no "copy-on-write" |
| 23:19.48 | CalJohn | !ext3cow |
| 23:20.10 | timthelion | troubled: why? |
| 23:20.21 | jelly-home | troubled: what's a fot look like? |
| 23:20.28 | CalJohn | troubled: paste.lisp.org is always pretty fast |
| 23:20.35 | jelly-home | paste.debian.net |
| 23:20.52 | troubled | jelly-home: a fot? |
| 23:21.00 | jelly-home | [01:20] * troubled taps his fot waiting for pastebin.ca |
| 23:21.09 | CalJohn | (plus, it actually includes syntax highlighting for common lisp, which i haven't seen elsewhere) |
| 23:21.18 | troubled | jelly-home: oops sry, foot* ;) |
| 23:21.57 | timthelion | CalJohn: but what about uncommon lisp? |
| 23:22.08 | troubled | azeem: http://paste.debian.de/34980 |
| 23:22.37 | jelly-home | CalJohn: http://www.xkcd.com/297/ |
| 23:23.09 | Spyro_boy | okay |
| 23:23.14 | Spyro_boy | it seems that mc does start |
| 23:23.18 | Spyro_boy | after about 10 minutes... |
| 23:23.31 | Spyro_boy | I'm still super lost at why. |
| 23:23.40 | pace17 | hey do you guys know of a wireless pcmcia card that doesnt protrude at all from the pcmcia port? |
| 23:23.56 | Spyro_boy | pace17, nope. |
| 23:24.09 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: any symlinks pointing to remote filesystems in that directory, or big archives that mc wants to peek into, or similar? |
| 23:24.15 | pace17 | thanks spyro |
| 23:24.45 | jelly-home | pace17: I know of a wired one. |
| 23:24.46 | Spyro_boy | ghrmm |
| 23:24.51 | Spyro_boy | it's just my home directory... |
| 23:25.01 | creature | karsten: Apart from a busted card and a mis-seated card (and dirty contacts), can you think of anything else to check? |
| 23:25.09 | CalJohn | jelly-home: i love xkcd |
| 23:25.09 | Spyro_boy | I cd'd into a smaller directory |
| 23:25.11 | Spyro_boy | and still nothing |
| 23:25.53 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: well, you can always strace the process and see what's it up to |
| 23:25.59 | lordrich | Spyro_boy: try running lsof to see what files it's opening and try top to see if it's hogging memory and/or cpu |
| 23:25.59 | Spyro_boy | strace? |
| 23:26.04 | CalJohn | jelly-home: im was so sick of comics about crappy gaming culture, then i found xkcd. |
| 23:26.04 | jelly-home | !strace |
| 23:26.04 | dpkg | strace is, like, a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 23:26.15 | Spyro_boy | oh cool. |
| 23:26.17 | Spyro_boy | thanks man. |
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| 23:26.42 | Spyro_boy | stat("/etc/resolv.conf", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=83, ...}) = 0 |
| 23:26.42 | Spyro_boy | socket(PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3 |
| 23:26.42 | Spyro_boy | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.2.1")}, 28) = 0 |
| 23:26.46 | Spyro_boy | What the? |
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| 23:26.50 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: a common debugging tool. strace -p pid-of-suspicious-process |
| 23:26.51 | Spyro_boy | It's trying to access the network? |
| 23:27.20 | Spyro_boy | I'm on wireless, so it's probably why it's so slow.. but.. I wonder why.. |
| 23:27.25 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: it's trying to do some DNS resolving AFAICT |
| 23:27.44 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, I can tell. |
| 23:27.44 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: and 192.168.2.1 (your router?) doesn't give any answers |
| 23:28.13 | Spyro_boy | well, it's wireless (leeched) |
| 23:28.16 | Spyro_boy | so it's slow. |
| 23:28.33 | jae | Anyone know synergy? I want/need the compose key (any compose key) working |
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| 23:29.12 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: find a better DNS server :-) or find out what IP is mc trying to resolve, then put a fake entry in /etc/hosts |
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| 23:29.36 | mr_flea | join ##freebsd |
| 23:29.40 | mr_flea | er |
| 23:29.53 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, you're right. |
| 23:29.53 | mr_flea | it ate my / |
| 23:29.58 | Spyro_boy | I usually use opendns |
| 23:30.02 | Spyro_boy | but that's not the issue.. |
| 23:30.05 | Greedom | so, what's everyone actually DO with this OS ? |
| 23:30.14 | Spyro_boy | if I'm offline, I'd like to use mc as fast as I can. :/ |
| 23:30.19 | Greedom | so damn much time maintaining it heh |
| 23:30.29 | jelly-home | Greedom: I use it not to troll the channel. |
| 23:30.36 | Greedom | lol agreed- I'm out |
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| 23:30.48 | jelly-home | wow. |
| 23:31.20 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, I just used opendns |
| 23:31.26 | knoxy | how can I do to change my character set of apache and php (debian packages)? I`m using a en_US charset.. but I need brazilian portuguese charset...... |
| 23:31.28 | Spyro_boy | and it seems that it opened lightning quick. |
| 23:31.53 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, but I'd like to make it so that mc isn't dependant on internet access to start. |
| 23:32.01 | Spyro_boy | Do you know why it's accessing a dns? |
| 23:32.07 | Spyro_boy | on start, that is. |
| 23:32.24 | stoned | hey guys |
| 23:32.26 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: your app is doing needless DNS lookups, maybe they can be disabled |
| 23:32.33 | Spyro_boy | hrmm |
| 23:32.34 | Spyro_boy | right |
| 23:32.40 | Spyro_boy | I'll check the options |
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| 23:34.20 | Spyro_boy | rawr. |
| 23:34.23 | Spyro_boy | I don't see anything. |
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| 23:36.09 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: something like "strace -ff -o /tmp/strace.log mc", exit it immediately, then take a look at the log to see which address did it try to look up. |
| 23:36.26 | Spyro_boy | hrmm.. |
| 23:36.27 | Spyro_boy | okay |
| 23:36.39 | jelly-home | might be easier with ltrace, maybe. or by sniffing the network. |
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| 23:37.23 | Will_Cego | hi |
| 23:37.42 | Will_Cego | linux suxx!!! |
| 23:37.47 | timthelion | how do I find out whether I need unstable or testing to get a package not yet avalible in stable? |
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| 23:37.55 | Drevay | hi :) |
| 23:37.57 | simonrvn | Will_Cego: stfu |
| 23:37.59 | Drevay | debian freshly installed |
| 23:38.07 | timthelion | Will_Cego: only if it's hooked properly to a valcume cleaner |
| 23:38.18 | Will_Cego | i'm sitting for hours and couldn't get it working |
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| 23:38.25 | Yusuke^ | Will_Cego: only for idiots without enough common sense to get it to work properly :) |
| 23:38.28 | simonrvn | Will_Cego: why does it suck, or are you just a troll? |
| 23:38.28 | timthelion | Will_Cego: then you can controll the cleaner, make it suck or spit, or whatever you want. |
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| 23:38.41 | stoned | there are thousands of people on freenode who have linux working |
| 23:38.48 | stoned | so I don't think the problem is with linux |
| 23:38.56 | simonrvn | layer 8 problem |
| 23:38.59 | timthelion | Will_Cego: windows will only make the vacume cleaner play startup music :/ |
| 23:38.59 | stoned | problem exits between keyboard and chair |
| 23:39.00 | stoned | :) |
| 23:39.06 | Will_Cego | the installation process is so user unfriendly |
| 23:39.06 | jelly-home | Spyro_boy: it tried to gethostbyname("my-host-name") here. do you have an entry for your host in /etc/hosts? |
| 23:39.15 | simonrvn | yeh just a troll |
| 23:39.18 | stoned | Will_Cego: you are using which version of debian? |
| 23:39.19 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 23:39.32 | coil | debian owns your mom |
| 23:39.36 | Will_Cego | the kernel version is 2.4.27 |
| 23:39.41 | stoned | Will_Cego: do you have an actual support question or are you just venting about your failure to run linux |
| 23:39.44 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 23:39.44 | dpkg | i guess plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 23:39.51 | Will_Cego | i tried out the netinstall version for my ppc system |
| 23:39.57 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, uh. I think that's what's going on. |
| 23:40.00 | timthelion | coil: I thought that the point was that debian DIN'T own his mom, unlike ms :) |
| 23:40.05 | stoned | please refer to #debianppc on irc.debian.net |
| 23:40.07 | stoned | please refer to #debianppc on irc.debian.org |
| 23:40.09 | stoned | not net |
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| 23:40.15 | stoned | !debianppc |
| 23:40.15 | dpkg | i heard debianppc is /join #debianppc PowerPC port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc. FAQs: Debian CDs are not and cannot be bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Info on proper partitioning can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt, the yaboot HOWTO can be found at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html |
| 23:40.22 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, ah. I see. I once screwed up my system so I had to rescue it and it changed my hostname. |
| 23:40.22 | linux_jones | i QUIT! |
| 23:40.27 | Spyro_boy | I changed my hostname back |
| 23:40.33 | Spyro_boy | but I forgot to change /etc/hosts |
| 23:40.37 | Spyro_boy | Let's try this |
| 23:40.39 | Will_Cego | but apt-get just doesn't want to work, my network is working though |
| 23:40.45 | jelly-home | Will_Cego: are you trying to install the old release (sarge)? |
| 23:40.53 | Will_Cego | yes |
| 23:40.54 | stoned | probably |
| 23:40.58 | stoned | 2.4 he said |
| 23:40.58 | linux_jones | i will never see any a real desktop on this computer, and i have accepted that |
| 23:41.07 | jelly-home | Will_Cego: any special reason? |
| 23:41.07 | stoned | linux_jones: don't give up |
| 23:41.12 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, cool. I guess it's all good for now. :D |
| 23:41.14 | simonrvn | has the troll been removed yet? |
| 23:41.14 | timthelion | linux_jones: huh? |
| 23:41.21 | Will_Cego | i have a ppc system that isn't supported anymore |
| 23:41.32 | simonrvn | nope |
| 23:41.33 | Spyro_boy | jelly-home, thanks a bunch. (you taught me about strace. :) |
| 23:41.34 | Will_Cego | due to that i have to use a old version |
| 23:41.36 | timthelion | Will_Cego: how do you know? |
| 23:41.46 | Drevay | hey guys, i got firefox but i can't find it in the applications menu on gnome |
| 23:41.47 | simonrvn | strace is very handy |
| 23:41.48 | Drevay | any ideas? |
| 23:41.51 | Will_Cego | well, that commonly known in the pegasos community :) |
| 23:41.52 | Drevay | i used apt-get |
| 23:41.58 | jelly-home | Will_Cego: oh well, means you'll have to deal with the quirks of the old installer then |
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| 23:42.01 | Yusuke^ | Drevay: it installed iceweasel |
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| 23:42.06 | Drevay | ooohhh |
| 23:42.10 | Yusuke^ | assuming you used apt-get to get firefox |
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| 23:42.36 | Will_Cego | the installer works actually, and i can log in as root with my password, but apt-get wont work |
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| 23:42.45 | mikez0r | Hello |
| 23:42.51 | Drevay | thanks guys :3 |
| 23:42.51 | twb | Can anyone explain how to get a matrox framebuffer working on a *current* kernel? There isn't actually a matroxfb.ko anymore AFAICT, only matroxfb_g450.ko and friends. |
| 23:42.52 | timthelion | Will_Cego: have you tried the latest release? |
| 23:42.55 | jelly-home | Will_Cego: I'd try etch just for fun nevertheless |
| 23:42.55 | linux_jones | stoned: i still have no idea why it is not working |
| 23:43.16 | Will_Cego | there is no kernel for the pegasos I computer |
| 23:43.25 | Will_Cego | i have the latest available version of debian |
| 23:43.35 | jelly-home | Will_Cego: apt won't work because you have to fix your apt setup to use the "oldstable" distribution |
| 23:43.45 | timthelion | Will_Cego: you said you where using sarge :) |
| 23:44.03 | timthelion | Will_Cego: there is a new realease, |
| 23:44.14 | mikez0r | does anybody here know anything about debian and ALSA? |
| 23:44.15 | Will_Cego | timthelion: see, i don't get it :) |
| 23:44.16 | jelly-home | Will_Cego: replace occurences of "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list with "sarge", try again |
| 23:44.25 | baka_gaijin | hi, i'd like assistance installing the ipw3945 wireless drivers. the tutorial i'm reading ( http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ ) doesn't quite match up with debian. i'm using a fresh install of 64-bit lenny on a dell inspiron 1520 |
| 23:44.33 | mikez0r | ams is saying it can't find /dev/snd/seq which is supposed to come with ALSA |
| 23:44.39 | mikez0r | and I installed it as a debian package |
| 23:44.43 | timthelion | Will_Cego: as root, using nano. |
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| 23:44.50 | Will_Cego | erm |
| 23:44.56 | timthelion | Will_Cego: what? |
| 23:45.06 | mikez0r | that is, I used Synaptic Package Manager |
| 23:45.25 | Yusuke^ | Will_Cego: he meant use nano in a command prompt |
| 23:45.27 | Will_Cego | i'm a beginner and my knowledge is really small regarding linux |
| 23:45.38 | timthelion | Will_Cego: try typing su |
| 23:45.42 | jelly-home | !tell Will_Cego about grounding |
| 23:45.53 | timthelion | Will_Cego: then nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:46.14 | jelly-home | Will_Cego: did you get a private message from dpkg? |
| 23:46.19 | timthelion | jelly-home: any idea how I can find out if ghc6.6.1 is in unstable? |
| 23:46.19 | Drevay | hey gues, any idea on how to get ovguide to work? it's an imbeded media dealy |
| 23:46.20 | Will_Cego | yep |
| 23:46.25 | Drevay | on a site |
| 23:46.47 | jelly-home | timthelion: packages.debian.org |
| 23:47.13 | acu | I am trying to make a web cam (Intex IT103wc) and is not recognized by Linux - I have found the source for gpsca latest version but I do not know how to get the binary (source would not do it) - here is the link ttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gspca-source&version=unstable&arch=all |
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| 23:48.08 | Will_Cego | timthelion: and then after typing nano...? |
| 23:48.40 | timthelion | Will_Cego: you should be able to move around and edit the file. |
| 23:48.41 | Yusuke^ | nano /etc/apt/sources.list (exactly like that, after using su and entering your password) |
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| 23:48.44 | jelly-home | timthelion: it's called "ghc6", apparently |
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| 23:49.25 | timthelion | Will_Cego: there should be a collumn that is all the word stable, and you want to replace each word with sarge. |
| 23:49.34 | Drevay | http://www.ovguide.com doesn't seem to work, it said that i didn't have the codecs necessary to play the video, but i got the win32 codecs from mplayer and installed them |
| 23:49.39 | Drevay | a dilly of a pickle :/ |
| 23:49.42 | Will_Cego | well, i hope that i'm using sarge :) |
| 23:49.45 | timthelion | jelly-home: unfortunatly 6 is not good enough, I need specificaly >= 6.6.1 |
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| 23:50.08 | Will_Cego | it is a netinstall version of debian |
| 23:50.11 | jelly-home | timthelion: too bad you didn't take a look yourself. |
| 23:50.12 | acu | Drevay: get the w32codec from the marrilat repository |
| 23:50.19 | biz | is there a way to password lock a pty? currently i'm just locking gnu screen, but is there a tool available especially for this purpose (without the need to logout) |
| 23:50.25 | timthelion | jelly-home: what do you mean? |
| 23:50.38 | Drevay | acu, how do i do that? just apt-get install w32codec? |
| 23:50.47 | Will_Cego | bbl |
| 23:50.53 | jelly-home | timthelion: did you take a look at packages.debian.org, to see which versions of package "ghc6" were available? |
| 23:51.06 | acu | first you have to add the repository to your sources.list in /etc/apt |
| 23:51.15 | acu | then you go apt-get update |
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| 23:51.18 | timthelion | jelly-home: yes, I don't see 6.6.1 |
| 23:51.29 | acu | then you install the codecs |
| 23:51.35 | jelly-home | timthelion: what version do you see in testing? |
| 23:51.40 | acu | easiest way is to use synaptic package manager |
| 23:51.54 | Drevay | ok |
| 23:51.55 | timthelion | jelly-home: um, I only see distribution stable, no testing |
| 23:52.46 | jelly-home | timthelion: then you're not looking in the right place. The page is a bbit confusing. |
| 23:52.51 | Drevay | how do i add the marrilot repository? |
| 23:53.14 | Yusuke^ | Drevay, in a command terminal as root: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:53.27 | Drevay | k |
| 23:53.32 | simonrvn | l |
| 23:53.36 | timthelion | jelly-home: can you give me a link? |
| 23:54.08 | Drevay | ok, now what? |
| 23:55.15 | acu | Drevay: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 23:55.27 | Yusuke^ | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main |
| 23:55.28 | Yusuke^ | #deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main |
| 23:55.28 | Yusuke^ | #deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid main |
| 23:55.36 | Yusuke^ | (just copying and pasting from mine) |
| 23:55.42 | Drevay | ok |
| 23:55.55 | Drevay | i have debian 4.0, so etch would be the one to uncomment ok? |
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| 23:56.07 | Drevay | ? |
| 23:56.09 | Yusuke^ | you could just add http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 23:56.35 | Yusuke^ | save a close, and then: apt-get update |
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| 23:56.45 | Yusuke^ | apt-get install w32codecs |
| 23:57.09 | acu | Drevay: if you do not like nano - just go to a prompt - su (or root) then type konqueror - it will start as root -then you can navigate to /etc/apt/ |
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| 23:57.16 | deborah | hi al |
| 23:57.18 | deborah | l |
| 23:57.29 | Yusuke^ | gedit is an alternative also |
| 23:57.40 | jelly-home | timthelion: No, it's better if you learn to use the search yourself. Search package directories -> Keyword: ghc Distribution: any |
| 23:57.50 | deborah | I want to know how see all process runing on my PC, becouse I have one in the port X and I want to kill him but I don't know her ID, how can I do this? |
| 23:57.52 | mortenmj | i'm working on getting hibernate up and running the way it should. it suspends, but it doesn't seem to do anything it's told to do in /etc/hibernate/common.conf. it doesn't remove modules or execute any of the commands i've tried to define with OnSuspend. what gives? |
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| 23:58.18 | Yusuke^ | mortenmj: what kind of pc you got? |
| 23:58.26 | acu | Can anyone answer my trivial question: a source will not contain the binary ? ttp://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gspca-source&version=unstable&arch=all |
| 23:58.47 | acu | This has the latest versions of some bloody webcameras |
