| 00:00.12 | ccfreak2k | Well one is installed, and CONFIG_HZ is set to 250, but I heard that the default for 2.6 series kernels is 1000. |
| 00:00.30 | ccfreak2k | I'm still trying to piece it all together (I didn't do the upgrade on the system). |
| 00:00.56 | xlotlu | yey, now plugging network cable takes down wireless interface, and unplugging up |
| 00:01.04 | krazykit | it appears to be 250. |
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| 00:01.54 | ccfreak2k | For the default 486 kernel? |
| 00:02.09 | TylerJGillies | can you install from ISO without a an actual CD? or do you need a cd in place to install? |
| 00:02.45 | Kevin` | TylerJGillies if you can boot to linux you could maybe, but there's usually more efficient methods to install |
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| 00:03.47 | TylerJGillies | Kevin`: like? |
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| 00:04.08 | Kevin` | TylerJGillies network boot |
| 00:04.26 | TylerJGillies | Kevin`: can't WLAN card |
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| 00:04.44 | Kevin` | TylerJGillies which wlan card |
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| 00:04.49 | Kevin` | chipset, rather |
| 00:04.50 | TylerJGillies | linksys wmp54g |
| 00:04.55 | Kevin` | chipset |
| 00:04.59 | TylerJGillies | chipset rt61 |
| 00:05.01 | Kevin` | you CAN install from some wireless cards |
| 00:05.05 | Kevin` | oh is that a usb card? |
| 00:05.09 | TylerJGillies | PCI |
| 00:05.25 | TylerJGillies | ralink |
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| 00:06.01 | Kevin` | well, that is a supported chipset by linux, it shouldn't be too hard to make a kernel with support for it if the default installer doesn't have it, which it might |
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| 00:07.30 | TylerJGillies | ok |
| 00:07.44 | RockerMONO | how do i get mkfs -t vfat to work on Debian? it says "mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:08.08 | TylerJGillies | Kevin`: thnx |
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| 00:08.34 | Kevin` | RockerMONO apt-get install dosfstools |
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| 00:09.05 | RockerMONO | thanks Kevin` |
| 00:09.08 | sparr | I have a package installed with unmet dependencies. How can I get apt to stop complaining about that when I try to do other things? |
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| 00:09.47 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:10.00 | Azar | wow abrotman is still mia.. |
| 00:10.20 | snowbird | yup |
| 00:10.26 | antgel | !seen abrotman |
| 00:10.27 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 20h 26m 11s ago, saying: 'kenji: try it'. |
| 00:10.39 | Azar | huh? |
| 00:10.42 | Azar | 2d? |
| 00:10.55 | RockerMONO | how can /dev/fd0 have no corresponding BIOS drive when the comptuer will boot from floppy disks?? |
| 00:11.03 | RockerMONO | Azar: 2 days, 20 hours, 26 minutes, 11 seconds =p |
| 00:11.17 | Kevin` | RockerMONO grub is confused, edit boot/grub/device.map |
| 00:11.19 | Azar | damn I missed all that rocking time |
| 00:11.49 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: "(hd0) /dev/hda" - nothing else |
| 00:11.56 | Kevin` | add fd0.. |
| 00:12.05 | RockerMONO | Kevin`: what do i add?? "(fd0) /dev/fd0" ? |
| 00:12.09 | Kevin` | sure |
| 00:12.10 | kauderwelsch | is it possible to connect 3 different networks on same switch? |
| 00:12.26 | Kevin` | kauderwelsch yes |
| 00:12.31 | snowbird | up to 5 |
| 00:12.33 | antgel | kauderwelsch: ip networks on ethernet switch? sure |
| 00:12.44 | kauderwelsch | Kevin`: arpalert says no |
| 00:12.52 | kauderwelsch | strange alerts |
| 00:12.52 | Kevin` | kauderwelsch snowbird you can have more then 5, too. as many as you want |
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| 00:13.19 | snowbird | switches get big what u mean a network pc ? |
| 00:13.39 | kauderwelsch | debian server with 3 nics |
| 00:13.48 | Kevin` | why do you have 3 nics |
| 00:13.52 | kauderwelsch | 3 different networks |
| 00:13.53 | Kevin` | if you have just one switch |
| 00:14.04 | Kevin` | you know you can assign multiple networks to one nic, right? |
| 00:14.33 | Azar | pssssssttt, too good not to tell: Judge rules SCO does now own Unix code. the website who posted this is overwhelmed, the world celebrates |
| 00:14.48 | kauderwelsch | xen? |
| 00:14.49 | krazykit | Azar, s/now/not/ |
| 00:14.53 | Kevin` | azar there was a wallop for that a while back |
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| 00:15.06 | Azar | Kevin`: what's a wallop? |
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| 00:15.10 | Kevin` | kauderwelsch you don't need special crap like that, you can do it directly with ifconfig or ip |
| 00:15.16 | Kevin` | kauderwelsch you can even do it in windows! |
| 00:15.18 | Kevin` | ;p |
| 00:15.23 | TylerJGillies | SCO is mistaken, i own Unix |
| 00:15.34 | Kevin` | !RichiH:*! Hi yet again. :) Seems it is alindeman's birthday, which means you |
| 00:15.34 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.35 | dpkg | Kevin`: what are you talking about? |
| 00:15.37 | Kevin` | that kinda thing. |
| 00:15.40 | TylerJGillies | i have as much claim to it anyway |
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| 00:16.01 | TylerJGillies | brb installing |
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| 00:16.18 | Azar | Kevin`: uh.. so it was some turbulence here huh? |
| 00:16.39 | Kevin` | a wallow is a special kind of message on irc |
| 00:16.50 | Kevin` | it's broadcast to all users (usually ops, but in this case anybody) |
| 00:16.57 | Azar | ahhhhh, now I remember, yes |
| 00:16.59 | Kevin` | wallop |
| 00:17.01 | Kevin` | * |
| 00:17.08 | Azar | :) |
| 00:17.52 | Kevin` | speaking of ops, I want to be able to join more then the max number of channels, anyone I can talk to about that? :) |
| 00:18.09 | Dewi | Kevin`: what's the max? |
| 00:18.09 | antgel | Kevin`: #freenode, surprisingly |
| 00:18.33 | Kevin` | Dewi however many i'm currently on, I haven't counted |
| 00:18.50 | RichiH | Azar: set yourself +w if you want to receive them |
| 00:18.59 | RichiH | we usually send out one per month, though |
| 00:19.02 | Azar | :) RichiH thanks |
| 00:19.08 | RichiH | rough estimate, of course |
| 00:19.13 | Kevin` | Dewi wc says 20 :) |
| 00:19.14 | RichiH | Azar: np |
| 00:19.30 | streuner | RichiH: awake still? :-) |
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| 00:19.43 | RichiH | streuner: nope |
| 00:19.59 | Kevin` | hmm, in order to join #freenode to ask for more channels i'd have to leave a channel, decisions :) |
| 00:20.43 | inFw | lol Kevin` |
| 00:21.12 | Dewi | Kevin`: just clone |
| 00:21.19 | Kevin` | hm, good idea |
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| 00:21.59 | Kevin` | I should write an irc client that controls two clients or something |
| 00:22.07 | Kevin` | might be easier to just leave a channel |
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| 00:22.29 | inFw | Kevin`: most irc clients support multiple networks, and hence cloning. |
| 00:22.52 | Kevin` | I don't think this one does, I should upgrade to irssi |
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| 00:23.12 | streuner | RichiH: hm, i trink the bottle wine empty and see what happens then ;-) |
| 00:23.19 | inFw | Kevin`: I use irssi on a total of 6 networks (actually that's 2 irssis) |
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| 00:23.38 | RichiH | streuner: eww, wine |
| 00:23.40 | RichiH | beer! |
| 00:23.52 | inFw | and on one I have two nicks to the same network, exactly because of the channel number restriction. Might want to do that. |
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| 00:24.03 | edju | Is it possible, using xine, to stream a DVD over the network? |
| 00:24.14 | Kevin` | i'll try asking nicely first. maybe tomorrow |
| 00:24.28 | flami | anyone have a lil expreience with apache modules? http://pastebin.com/m5b88d47b <- in there the right uid (set_homedir) is set but it always reads 0 .(get_homedir) |
| 00:24.32 | Kevin` | edju I usually do that using nfs or samba, which works fine |
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| 00:26.03 | edju | Kevin`, nfs? I have that set up for an external drive. How to use it to play a DVD/ |
| 00:26.37 | Kevin` | edju I rip the dvd first, I usually don't mess with the discs.. |
| 00:27.06 | edju | Kevin`, Then just play the vob directly? |
| 00:27.18 | Kevin` | edju No, play the directory |
| 00:27.27 | Kevin` | otherwise you don't get the menus and proper title arrangement |
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| 00:27.52 | Azar | finally! LF hires legal advisors... |
| 00:28.03 | Kevin` | (all the common dvd players you'd use are capable of playing a dvd from a directory) |
| 00:28.12 | Azar | let's see what they say about the blobs in the kernel |
| 00:28.25 | Renfield | I need some help with groups. I am trying to use newgrp to change my group, and it does not seem to let me. |
| 00:29.01 | Renfield | I am a member of the group (as seen with 'id') but after entering newgrp and then id it still says I am currently an the default group. |
| 00:29.06 | edju | Kevin`, OK, thanks. I'll try that. DVD drive died on me. YOu must have a lot of storage space, then |
| 00:29.12 | Kevin` | I do. |
| 00:29.21 | Kevin` | I need to delete some stuff, actually |
| 00:29.27 | Kevin` | I can't do proper backups |
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| 00:29.45 | Azar | I do but I don't know how to put them on a CD |
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| 00:29.57 | Kevin` | (couple TB of storage in use here all told) |
| 00:30.00 | Renfield | Also, newgrp is asking for a password, but I don't understand why. I just want to change to a different group. |
| 00:31.29 | edju | Still, though, it should be possible to play a DVD on one machine from another's DVD drive. |
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| 00:32.58 | krazykit | or, phorce1, get a rockbox-compatible player :P |
| 00:33.06 | phorce1 | hacking he db format will be next so maybe I can write it from a linux box |
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| 00:33.57 | phorce1 | krazykit: this was a "toy" to play with and see if I could get it to do what I want. I have a 20G iPod to play with RockBox on. |
| 00:35.33 | antgel | phorce1: but this is my phone - i have it everywhere. this means i can always have a few current-playlist albums with me. i run rockbox on an iriver h340 which doesn't get as much use as i'd like. best present the ex ever bought me :) |
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| 00:35.52 | phorce1 | krazykit: I like the fact tht if I really don't want to mess with a U/I I can just plug the thing in as a USB drive and copy mp3/ogg/wma straight to it and they will play. Just can't easily select which songs to play in that mode. |
| 00:36.12 | krazykit | i can see how that would be a problem. |
| 00:38.33 | phorce1 | antgel: I am a firm believer that a phone should be JUST that. A *PHONE*. It took me an hour to explain to the dweeb at Sprint that I wanted a cell that had no MP3, no camera, no internet, etc. |
| 00:39.10 | Ronin | phorce1: FINALLY, someone that thinks the way i do regarding cell phones |
| 00:39.41 | Ronin | i want a phone, an address/contact book and maybe a calendar tops |
| 00:39.52 | antgel | phorce1: i know what you mean, i don't care about cameras for example, but this saves me carrying a box around london, which i'm grateful for. it's not a substitute for an iriver, but it's very nice to have |
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| 00:40.58 | antgel | even the camera was good on holiday - i sold my digicam when i got the n73 last year. had it just over a year, and i'm selling my upgrade phone (6120) and keeping the n73. it's a no-gimmick unit that does it all, business, multimedia, whatever |
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| 00:41.36 | snowbird | how much for phone does it got antena i need knew phone |
| 00:42.02 | phorce1 | The typhoon is about the size of a nAno so it's no problem to carry. And it uses a tiny LiPo battery so I plan to get probably 2 more of those and attach them permanently in parallel to give it about 20 hours of playtime. |
| 00:42.07 | Azar | stoned: |
| 00:42.14 | SerajewelKS | why would amarok occasionally either lag or skip? i'm using the pulseaudio sink. i did not have this problem on my single core athlon xp, now i'm on dual-core amd64 and occasionally it skips or has a gap. |
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| 00:42.37 | antgel | i'm not even one of those boring phone geeks who makes big deals about them, as if i'm richard branson or something. i won't replace this one until it breaks |
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| 00:43.11 | snowbird | antgel phone sell me |
| 00:44.33 | phorce1 | For a phone I still spent $300 on a Sanyo SCP-7300. It meets MILSPEC shock standards. I've already dropped it from about 12 feet onto a concrete floor. |
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| 00:45.58 | RockerMONO | anyone know anything about grub-install or a channel where that would be considered more on topic? |
| 00:46.22 | nas | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.32 | john_titor | does it exist? |
| 00:46.38 | nas | yes |
| 00:46.42 | john_titor | i see |
| 00:47.23 | john_titor | and.... is there a #nvidia... i cant configure that |
| 00:47.29 | john_titor | T_T |
| 00:48.14 | nas | whats going on with nvidia? |
| 00:48.23 | snowbird | boot loader for what distro |
| 00:48.32 | john_titor | i cant load the kernel module |
| 00:48.35 | john_titor | that shows me |
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| 00:48.43 | nas | error? |
| 00:48.53 | john_titor | FATAL: ... :p |
| 00:49.03 | nas | how did you install it? |
| 00:49.26 | nas | from website with the .run thing? |
| 00:49.46 | nas | did it compile the module for your kernel or did it find one? |
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| 00:50.19 | john_titor | i first try to installed with that envy program but does not work so... dunno what to do now |
| 00:50.37 | nas | go to nvidia.com and download it there |
| 00:50.43 | nas | than kill x and run the installer |
| 00:51.34 | john_titor | ok im on it |
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| 00:52.53 | nas | let me know what happens if im still here when you run it |
| 00:53.01 | nas | if it complains about not finding kernel source |
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| 00:53.18 | nas | apt-get the kernel headeres for your specific kernel |
| 00:53.21 | nas | and run it again |
| 00:55.06 | nas | than make do ln -s /usr/src/<kernel headers> /usr/src/linux |
| 00:55.19 | nas | sry no make^ |
| 00:55.46 | nas | do the ln thing before you try again |
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| 00:55.54 | shut- | hello i have a problem with debian |
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| 00:56.42 | shut- | debian seems to frezze every so often for no reason it does it every couple hrs |
| 00:56.47 | shut- | anyone no why? |
| 00:56.53 | shut- | know* |
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| 00:57.00 | nas | processor? |
| 00:57.20 | Wolfpaws | Hi. Is there a Trac package for etch? |
| 00:57.20 | shut- | well my processor is intel celeron d |
| 00:57.35 | nas | oh nm |
| 00:57.42 | shut- | huh? |
| 00:57.53 | nas | any messages? |
| 00:57.58 | shut- | Nope |
| 00:58.01 | nas | any indication of anything? |
| 00:58.19 | nas | using beryl? |
| 00:58.27 | nas | scan memory? |
| 00:58.32 | shut- | its when i have like iceweasal open and gimp and music playing |
| 00:58.47 | shut- | and amsn |
| 00:58.48 | shut- | btw |
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| 00:59.06 | nas | and not using beryl eh? |
| 00:59.19 | shut- | i use gnome |
| 00:59.21 | shut- | :p |
| 00:59.35 | nas | i dont know dude maybe run x86memtest |
| 00:59.44 | nas | you dual boot? |
| 00:59.46 | antgel | memtest86 |
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| 00:59.56 | shut- | am dual booting' |
| 01:00.00 | shut- | debian and windows xp |
| 01:00.11 | nas | doesnt freeze up in windows ever? |
| 01:00.16 | shut- | no |
| 01:00.22 | nas | oh nm than |
| 01:01.14 | shut- | the only reason i have windows on it is because of a game that cant run on linux because it has direct x |
| 01:01.33 | krazykit | lots of direct x games run fine in wine ;) |
| 01:01.47 | shut- | i tried wined |
| 01:01.49 | shut- | wine |
| 01:02.08 | shut- | it installs direct x in the install |
| 01:02.28 | krazykit | pretty lame, then. |
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| 01:02.56 | shut- | every heard of warRock |
| 01:03.14 | krazykit | can't say that i have. i assume it's not on winehq's appdb? |
| 01:03.32 | shut- | no idea |
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| 01:06.04 | shut- | nope |
| 01:06.07 | shut- | its not |
| 01:06.09 | shut- | :p |
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| 01:07.31 | krazykit | shut-, yeah it is |
| 01:07.43 | shut- | warrock is in the list? |
| 01:07.47 | krazykit | http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=8012 |
| 01:08.56 | shut- | Launching the game, setting up the game, logging in, logging onto servers. (the graphics allso runs nice, but punkbuster wont allow you to play) |
| 01:10.11 | shut- | punk buster is easy to fix |
| 01:10.12 | shut- | :p |
| 01:10.21 | shut- | ... |
| 01:11.22 | shut- | http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=pbsetup.php |
| 01:11.25 | shut- | look thaere |
| 01:11.50 | shut- | brb rebooting into debian and trying it |
| 01:11.50 | shut- | :p |
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| 01:14.02 | obnauticus | Can anyone here tell me when I try to open an ssh session and i successfulyl login it just closes the connection... |
| 01:14.09 | obnauticus | and I know it's successful, because it tells me when it's not. |
| 01:14.19 | obnauticus | Locally I can use a shell just fine. |
| 01:14.30 | obnauticus | It's doing this just now, and I rebooted which didn't fix anything./ |
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| 01:15.16 | shut- | back |
| 01:15.22 | ixion | tried re-installing sshd ? |
| 01:15.25 | obnauticus | nope. |
| 01:15.38 | ixion | dpkg --remove sshd I think |
| 01:16.04 | ixion | apt-get remove sshd |
| 01:16.07 | shut- | lol |
| 01:16.12 | ixion | or summin like that |
| 01:16.24 | ixion | not even sure how I ended up in this channel to be honest |
| 01:16.53 | ixion | dpkg remove dpkg |
| 01:16.57 | ixion | heh |
| 01:16.59 | obnauticus | lol |
| 01:17.06 | ixion | dpkg --remove dpkg |
| 01:17.11 | shut- | it should be dpkg --remove package |
| 01:17.26 | ixion | yeah and I think its called sshd |
| 01:17.32 | ixion | or ssh-server |
| 01:17.50 | obnauticus | wtf... |
| 01:17.52 | obnauticus | ok umm |
| 01:17.54 | obnauticus | i reinstalled sshd |
| 01:17.57 | obnauticus | and it still closed the connection |
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| 01:18.29 | ixion | dpkg --purge |
| 01:18.38 | ixion | and install again |
| 01:18.47 | ixion | I have had this before.. cant remember how I fixed it |
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| 01:19.41 | obnauticus | how do i install something with dpkg again? |
| 01:19.59 | Hoxzer | you mean reinstall ? |
| 01:20.00 | ixion | just remove it with dpkg |
| 01:20.05 | streuner | apt-get remove <packageY> |
| 01:20.07 | obnauticus | k |
| 01:20.11 | ixion | yeah but purge it |
| 01:20.16 | ixion | I think its dpkg --purge |
| 01:20.23 | Hoxzer | apt-get --reinstall install <package> if I remember corrently |
| 01:20.25 | ixion | man dpkg will tell you |
| 01:20.28 | obnauticus | nevermind |
| 01:20.30 | obnauticus | i got it working |
| 01:20.40 | shut- | :S |
| 01:20.42 | obnauticus | that is a weird bug though |
| 01:21.04 | ixion | happed to me all the time when I running debian |
| 01:22.34 | shut- | i got an error with wine |
| 01:22.35 | shut- | :p |
| 01:23.43 | shut- | !wine |
| 01:23.43 | dpkg | wine is probably packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
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| 01:25.18 | timthelion | I usualy use kcontroll to enable and dissable services, but on this machein, I want to keep things light so I'm not installing gnome or kde, is there a cli tool I should use instead? |
| 01:25.51 | timthelion | I know about init.d but I want persistance acrost restarts |
| 01:26.02 | shut- | err:seh:start_debugger Couldn't start debugger ("winedbg --auto 8 284") (2) |
| 01:26.02 | shut- | Read the Wine Developers Guide on how to set up winedbg or another debugger |
| 01:26.02 | shut- | Wine failed with return code 5 |
| 01:26.08 | shut- | anyone no why |
| 01:26.38 | shut- | i get that |
| 01:26.51 | timthelion | because wine did not have a nesesary function mapping to do what you where trying to do. read up on installing windows dlls, |
| 01:27.06 | timthelion | though there is no garantee of a fix :( |
| 01:27.13 | shut- | where is that |
| 01:27.23 | shut- | its to install a game |
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| 01:28.50 | timthelion | http://www.codeweavers.com/support/docs/wine-user/config-dll |
| 01:30.20 | shut- | and how is this gonna help me |
| 01:31.26 | krazykit | timthelion, you add stuff to runlevels for that |
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| 01:34.15 | languid | anyone here familiar with mutt? |
| 01:34.41 | shut- | mutt? |
| 01:34.52 | languid | yes, the mail client |
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| 01:35.43 | kek | languid: i used it a little a while ago |
| 01:36.40 | languid | kek: ok, well im trying to get it to download my pop3 gmail to a local spool file, but when mutt starts up it says that /var/spool/mail/niels is not a mailbox. what do i have to do to initialize it as a mailbox file? |
| 01:37.37 | kek | languid: i don't know if mutt itself can download pop3. i used fetchmail to download it. |
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| 01:38.18 | languid | kek: it can, it's new but it can do it |
| 01:38.33 | languid | kek: right now it's downloading the messages, but not storing them anywhere. |
| 01:38.46 | shut- | is there any program |
| 01:38.54 | shut- | that has printer drivers |
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| 01:39.02 | timthelion | languid: the question is, is that the easiest way, which it is not, since fetchmail is so trivial you would have read a tut and not had these questions... |
| 01:39.11 | kek | languid: ah. well i don't know enough about mutt then. i found it a bit hard to configure |
| 01:39.58 | shut- | is cups build into linux |
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| 01:40.48 | timthelion | shut-: you mean built, no, but it can be installed. and probably has been installed for you automagically |
| 01:41.15 | SerajewelKS | does amarok have issues with dualcore systems? |
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| 01:41.27 | SerajewelKS | it's skipping like hell now. it didn't on my athlon xp. |
| 01:41.32 | shut- | where would i find it |
| 01:41.56 | timthelion | shut-: what do you wish to do with it? |
| 01:42.04 | shut- | install my printer |
| 01:42.36 | timthelion | try going to http://localhost:631/ |
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| 01:42.41 | timthelion | in your web brouser |
| 01:42.58 | timthelion | and if there is a page there, than you should be able to add one. |
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| 01:43.24 | timthelion | are you using gnome or kde? there are probably easier ways |
| 01:44.00 | shut- | wat do i put for name would it be the name of printer |
| 01:44.37 | timthelion | yes |
| 01:44.54 | timthelion | or do you mean username? |
| 01:45.09 | shut- | i am using gnome |
| 01:45.41 | timthelion | there should be a printers menu item under settings |
| 01:45.57 | timthelion | it might be under the seccond submenu of that |
| 01:47.20 | shut- | let me look if there is a driver aviable |
| 01:47.28 | shut- | for my printer |
| 01:47.53 | timthelion | you don't usually need drivers, you should just be able to add it |
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| 01:54.28 | Macarse | Hi, I am trying to install unrar with "atp-get install unrar" but I get "Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package." I've read using google that I need update my list of repositories with a multiverse, what makes unrar special? |
| 01:56.07 | mmnicolas | Macarse: i would suggest apt-cache search rar |
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| 01:57.43 | mmnicolas | this gives better results than google in such case |
| 01:57.55 | synx | Thank you very much for removing all MPEG encoding and decoding support. Now all the movies I could previous watch are now unwatchable thanks to automatic updates. Why I would hate to violate patent rights by watching movies illegaly. You saved me from committing that grevious wrong, and I thank you for it. |
| 01:58.13 | Macarse | mmnicolas: in the cache tehre is an unrar-free |
| 01:58.13 | synx | srsly though, need mpeg-4 decoding in totem/gstreamer. Is that gstreamer-plugins-bad? |
| 01:58.36 | Macarse | not unrar |
| 01:58.42 | mmnicolas | Macarse: here you got your package name |
| 01:58.44 | synx | unrar-free doesn't work. Nobody should use rar. Yell at the people who used it. |
| 01:59.10 | synx | rarlabs changed the rar format so that all rar files would fail under unrar-free. |
| 01:59.17 | Macarse | :( |
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| 01:59.37 | Macarse | I am willing to unrar a file that's .r00 .r01 ... .rar |
| 02:00.00 | kek | Macarse: try using 7zip |
| 02:00.05 | krazykit | synx, appears that it's in bad. |
| 02:00.05 | Macarse | what would you recommend to do if unrar can't be used? |
| 02:00.11 | kek | 7zip |
| 02:00.12 | Macarse | kek: k |
| 02:00.12 | synx | dunno about 7zip... |
| 02:00.27 | kek | it can do rars. |
| 02:00.31 | synx | krazykit: Thanks. Now if only I could download from any debian mirror at more than 2K/s. >_< |
| 02:00.58 | krazykit | !beer synx |
| 02:01.19 | synx | ...crap. I was using apt-get through tor accidentally. |
| 02:01.30 | krazykit | heh, that'll do it. |
| 02:01.32 | unlink | why isn't smlnj in etch (but in sarge, lenny and sid)? |
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| 02:04.22 | unlink | i've never seen that before |
| 02:04.42 | synx | Okay, I have gstreamer-plugins, both good bad and ugly, and it still won't decode MPEG-4. |
| 02:04.51 | synx | Do I need ffmpeg or something...? |
| 02:05.38 | mindmedic | synx: ffmpeg doesn't hurt (great project) |
| 02:06.28 | synx | Eh. It's pretty big too. But do I _need_ it? |
| 02:07.10 | Macarse | kek: I got p7zip and it doesn't open rar files |
| 02:07.10 | mindmedic | it decodes/encodes a lot of formats and is definitively worth having ... |
| 02:07.14 | krazykit | synx, ffmpeg should play pretty much everything, really |
| 02:07.55 | synx | I want to play it in totem, thanks |
| 02:08.12 | synx | ffmpeg can't encode theora correctly, so I use gstreamer for my video stuff. |
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| 02:15.08 | timmy_ | hi, I had debian installed in sda and got a new hdd and wanted to setup LVM on it; everything ok till that. Now I copied the contents of the old hdd to the new one (in a lv), but of course created a non-lv partition in the new hdd (sdb) where I would store the /boot files; I already installed grub, but I don't know how to use a LV as a root partition; any idea? |
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| 02:17.19 | kek | Macarse: it seems that there is a version p7zip-full that does rar files |
| 02:17.28 | ixion | if anyone knows nagios: Ive got to step 5 in the plugins install readme... 5) Verify that your host configuration file (hosts.cfg) for Nagios contains the correct paths to the new plugins |
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| 02:17.48 | mesof | does anyone know the name of the grave key or the "`" key? |
| 02:17.51 | ixion | ive edited hosts.cfg and see no reference to anything I can edit to include this path ? |
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| 02:18.49 | krazykit | mesof, xev calls it grave |
| 02:20.26 | timmy_ | anyone? |
| 02:21.06 | mesof | krazykit: it's not working as grave for me in keys |
| 02:21.15 | mesof | Mod1 Grave, doesn't work |
| 02:21.19 | mesof | let me ask fluxbox |
| 02:21.24 | edju | Speaking of video, is it possible to play a DVD on one machine from another's DVD drive, i.e., to stream it over the network, using Xine? |
| 02:21.41 | Kevin` | edju if the dvd is not encrypted you could just mount it |
| 02:21.48 | Kevin` | did I mention that before? |
| 02:22.16 | ixion | eddul VLC can do it |
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| 02:23.40 | lvmc | yeah |
| 02:23.45 | lvmc | anyone using initng? |
| 02:23.45 | edju | ixion, OK, I'll install VLC and try it. Does VLC play as much as xine does? |
| 02:23.59 | Macarse | solution for the unrar thing, adding a non-free depository |
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| 02:26.26 | pingouin_ | once a new hard drive in SATA, is plugged, where is suppose to be ? |
| 02:27.00 | pingouin_ | do i need something (drivers ? kernel modules ?) to make it works ? |
| 02:27.24 | krazykit | pingouin_, should be picked up as /dev/sdXy |
| 02:29.03 | pingouin_ | krazykit: hmmm, ok, if i already got some entries in my fstab, for usb stuffs (mp3player, card reader...) that are sdXy, it's better to # them maybe ? |
| 02:29.31 | rr700ix | is there a defalt sysinfo on debian ? |
| 02:30.29 | rr700ix | or a prefered one |
| 02:30.46 | krazykit | pingouin_, well, depends on how your system works, really. |
| 02:31.02 | ledestin | pingouin_: look in dmesg, it'll contain info on which device it is. |
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| 02:40.22 | angasule | hello, I have a laptop with 32MB of RAM, how much trouble would it be to install debian on it? My plan is to use Qtopia as a base for a desktop environment, so I just need the framebuffer and alsa working, no services or anything (ok, maybe an ftp server would be nice...) |
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| 02:43.57 | stoned | what |
| 02:44.23 | stoned | Azar: hi |
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| 02:44.36 | Azar | stoneddd my man |
| 02:44.57 | Azar | stoned what happened with abrotman? |
| 02:45.20 | Azar | I am really worried about him.... 2 days out.. |
| 02:45.43 | Azar | and this place... chills.... |
| 02:46.08 | angasule | 2 days out of IRC? are you afraid he got a life? |
| 02:46.21 | Azar | psshhttt you don't know abrotman |
| 02:46.46 | Azar | damn rahul is out too! |
| 02:47.05 | Azar | eh Guerin, hi :) |
| 02:47.46 | Azar | something must be going on |
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| 02:48.37 | dragonheart | any tips on dependency resolving - i'm trying to install dkim-filter on etch stable and its wanting a libc6 and libssl update |
| 02:48.46 | Azar | I just hope is not the rage against the machine that torments the entire internet lately |
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| 02:49.19 | Azar | stoned: say something |
| 02:49.24 | stoned | oh |
| 02:49.24 | stoned | hey |
| 02:49.28 | Azar | :) |
| 02:49.28 | stoned | its cold |
| 02:49.38 | Azar | damn, in full summer? |
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| 02:50.44 | angasule | say, anyone read my question above? laptop with 32MB, I'd like a system that uses really little RAM |
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| 02:51.53 | NiLon | I have this problem with Logitech's MX510 mouse, those "back" and "forward" buttons won't work |
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| 02:52.17 | Azar | Logitech? Microsoft's mouse? |
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| 02:52.26 | NiLon | I tried to setup /etc/X11/xorg.conf my own but I only got died Xserver |
| 02:52.33 | rr700ix | angasule: have u considered damnsmalllinux ? |
| 02:52.33 | NiLon | um it's not microsoft's |
| 02:52.42 | Azar | uh, yes? |
| 02:52.55 | NiLon | microsoft owns logitech? |
| 02:52.57 | Azar | is their baby |
| 02:53.47 | NiLon | well probally it's then microsoft but I think that's the main problem :) |
| 02:53.47 | Azar | well, I use logitech, but I put is on /ps/aux PS/2... as a "standard" mouse |
| 02:53.48 | angasule | rr700ix: yeap, I've been using it for a couple of months, but the apps it has are rather horrible, and installing the dependencies for the apps we're developing is a PITA |
| 02:53.48 | NiLon | hmm, I'm using it in usb port |
| 02:53.53 | h3sp4wn | Logitech is a completely separate company to MS |
| 02:54.01 | Azar | that's it, I put a converter on it... |
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| 02:54.21 | NiLon | and you got MX510 or MX518? |
| 02:54.54 | rr700ix | angasule: i would recommend using the little debian netinstall, which only installs base and u add whatever from there |
| 02:55.16 | angasule | I don't understand why debian requires 48MB minimum, what takes that much memory? |
| 02:55.18 | rr700ix | etch netinstall's what i'm using now |
| 02:55.22 | angasule | rr700ix: ah, thanks |
| 02:55.45 | Azar | oh my bad...is not MS's mouse |
| 02:56.27 | Azar | BJ69 |
| 02:56.31 | NiLon | I tried confs like http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Logitech_MX510_c12329.html but it's no good :/ |
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| 02:57.03 | Azar | NiLon: I got a converter for the usb mouse |
| 02:57.16 | NiLon | can i hotplug it? |
| 02:57.36 | Azar | oh... laptop you don't have the standard plugs.. |
| 02:57.37 | NiLon | ps/2 i mean |
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| 02:58.10 | Azar | damn, I don't know about laptops... sorry |
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| 02:58.35 | NiLon | I don't have laptop |
| 02:59.05 | NiLon | hmm that PS/2 don't work any better :/ |
| 02:59.16 | john_titor | what should i do to install nvidia drivers..... i already download it them from the nvidia page |
| 02:59.28 | angasule | rr700ix: btw, does netinstall work fine over a serial cable? |
| 03:01.03 | cafuego | john_titor: Delete the downlaod and use the packaged version. |
| 03:01.11 | john_titor | i use apt-get install nvidia and does not work |
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| 03:02.06 | rr700ix | angasule: I didn't check that, but look on debian for the install section and it's got tons of info about how to install with it |
| 03:02.19 | angasule | yeap, I'm there :) |
| 03:03.40 | rr700ix | this netinstall is my preferred way to install any linux os, i get exactly just what i want |
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| 03:05.35 | slump | rr700ix: yeah, i like it too :) |
| 03:06.30 | taime1 | is there a way to get terminal to open a different size? i cant seem to find a setting for that... |
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| 03:07.10 | Rothgar` | How can I change my apt-get source? |
| 03:07.15 | Rothgar` | Failed to fetch http://ftp.freenet.de/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3_i386.deb 404 Not found [IP: 194.97.2.69 80] |
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| 03:07.38 | angasule | taime1: you mean a terminal in X or outside? if outside, you have to set the framebuffer correctly |
| 03:08.07 | taime1 | angasule: like gnome-terminal |
| 03:08.25 | taime1 | in a gnome session, so im guessing 'in' x? |
| 03:08.31 | angasule | taime1: ah, I don't know if gnome-terminal has a setting for that, I don't use it |
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| 03:08.38 | angasule | taime1: yeah, that's inside X |
| 03:08.50 | taime1 | i know that sounded really bad.. |
| 03:09.09 | taime1 | im not that new, i promise... but ive been asked simple things and responded incorrectly |
| 03:09.19 | jawsh | anyone know of a way to get an "offline" type of debian packages to put on cd? does something like this exist? |
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| 03:10.19 | liable | jawsh: packages.debian.org |
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| 03:13.26 | jawsh | would debian 3.1 be listed as "oldstable"? |
| 03:13.33 | liable | yep |
| 03:13.38 | jawsh | k, thought so |
| 03:13.50 | jawsh | i just wondered if you could obtain all the packages to put onto cd? |
| 03:14.02 | liable | all the packages? |
| 03:14.06 | jawsh | ya |
| 03:14.08 | jawsh | or most |
| 03:14.12 | jawsh | kinda like Suse has |
| 03:14.13 | liable | thats what the isos are for |
| 03:14.24 | jawsh | what do you mean? |
| 03:14.29 | liable | theres twnty iirc, or the dvd's |
| 03:14.53 | liable | jawsh: visit the installation page of debian.org |
| 03:14.59 | liable | !d-i jawsh |
| 03:14.59 | dpkg | jawsh, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:15.13 | stoned | Azar: hi |
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| 03:18.31 | jawsh | thanks for your help liable |
| 03:18.39 | liable | no worries |
| 03:18.45 | jawsh | thats alot of cd's |
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| 03:18.52 | liable | indeed |
| 03:18.58 | jawsh | i think i talked to you earlier |
| 03:19.06 | jawsh | i put v 3.1 on an old laptop |
| 03:19.10 | jawsh | using the net install cd |
| 03:19.15 | jawsh | well |
| 03:19.19 | jawsh | it's just the base install |
| 03:19.30 | jawsh | and to go further i need ndiswrapper and wirelesstools |
| 03:19.36 | jawsh | and of course there are depend's |
| 03:19.50 | Kevin` | jawsh what wireless chipset |
| 03:19.51 | jawsh | i'm just trying to figure out how to manually install some packages. |
| 03:19.56 | jawsh | broadcom |
| 03:20.05 | jawsh | it's a linksys wpc54g v3.1 |
| 03:20.09 | jawsh | needs ndiswrapper |
| 03:20.18 | Kevin` | jawsh some broadcom chipsets are supported by an opensource driver |
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| 03:21.58 | jawsh | i may have to try a different distro |
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| 03:22.49 | liable | jawsh: look for a live cd that may support it, then all you will need is the firmware |
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| 03:23.08 | jawsh | i'm not havin much luck with live cd's |
| 03:23.15 | liable | hrm, that probably wont work will it |
| 03:23.24 | liable | ignore that comment |
| 03:23.25 | jawsh | i had damn small linux on it |
| 03:23.38 | jawsh | i don't like how you have to save things you do to the system or your home path |
| 03:23.53 | jawsh | i just want a decent install of linux |
| 03:23.57 | jawsh | and then to install fluxbox |
| 03:24.02 | jawsh | and get wireless workin |
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| 03:24.46 | jawsh | gotta run up to the gas station. brb |
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| 03:25.24 | john_tito1 | how I know if my nvidia is running |
| 03:25.25 | john_tito1 | ?? |
| 03:26.21 | liable | glxinfo |
| 03:26.31 | john_tito1 | i mean shows me the nvidia logo at starts.... but the glxinfo command does not work |
| 03:27.04 | krazykit | doesn't work... how? any error messages? |
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| 03:27.28 | benluo | hi |
| 03:27.50 | benluo | i install ttf-dejavu from testing, but it seems not work |
| 03:27.55 | benluo | how can i do |
| 03:28.00 | john_tito1 | command not found ! |
| 03:28.04 | john_tito1 | that shows me |
| 03:28.14 | liable | install mesa-utils |
| 03:28.17 | craigevil | john_tito1: install mesa-utils |
| 03:28.22 | benluo | i did "xlsfonts|grep dejavu", but nothing |
| 03:28.26 | john_tito1 | ooo ok! |
| 03:28.37 | john_tito1 | i havent install those |
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| 03:29.29 | john_tito1 | now glxinfo works hehehehehe thanks ! |
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| 03:32.49 | NiLon | is *.deb source package? |
| 03:32.57 | benluo | NiLon: might be |
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| 03:33.11 | NiLon | how do i check if it is? |
| 03:33.17 | benluo | the name |
| 03:33.20 | benluo | the file name |
| 03:33.33 | benluo | or use dpkg |
| 03:33.52 | NiLon | it's just lmctl_0.3_i386.deb |
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| 03:38.10 | husk | hi guys , i'm having problem with tclSOAP , it can't read any websites correctly , it always saying that the site response is not well-formed XML ? |
| 03:38.24 | husk | i know that was a critical bug in the past , but i think it was fixed |
| 03:38.37 | benluo | NiLon: it should be bin |
| 03:39.58 | husk | anyone has an idea ? |
| 03:40.01 | Dewi | husk: is the response valid XML? |
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| 03:41.24 | Dewi | husk: also not sure if you really mean "valid" or just "well formed". you could try turning off validation if it's attempting it |
| 03:41.25 | john_titor | woooohooooo beryl at last |
| 03:41.34 | husk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:41.56 | Dewi | husk: well that's not well-formed |
| 03:42.00 | Dewi | husk: no closing tag |
| 03:42.12 | husk | i got others line dewi |
| 03:42.16 | Dewi | husk: and what's the dash? |
| 03:42.26 | yigal | does anyone know why there is no official package for jbrout ? |
| 03:42.31 | husk | there is closing tags |
| 03:42.51 | Dewi | husk: so.... use an XML well-formedness checker to see if the XML is wellformed before blaming your SOAP thing |
| 03:43.34 | john_titor | how do i install flash player drivers on debian ??? |
| 03:43.54 | husk | Dewi , that's coming from xmethods , no webservices are working from there.. |
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| 03:44.03 | synx | I figured it out. |
| 03:44.22 | Dewi | husk: give me a URL |
| 03:44.27 | synx | To decode MPEG-4 with gstreamer, you can use the gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg package, with ffmpeg libraries. |
| 03:44.34 | synx | No need to use ffplay or nothing. |
| 03:45.10 | yigal | i'm trying to edit and store photos and I don't want something that is too bloated. I use neither gnome or kde and would prefer not to have to install the libraries of one or the other. jbrout seems, being wxwidgets to be good for this. |
| 03:45.28 | husk | i'm using http://www.dataaccess.com/webservicesserver/numberconversion.wso (note that the same link is working with javascript) |
| 03:45.50 | synx | ffmpeg can't encode MPEG-4 of course, thank you very much Sony etc. But we knew that. |
| 03:46.19 | yigal | synx: imo xine is still better than gstreamer |
| 03:46.35 | husk | it's working using javascript , but isn't working with tclsoap |
| 03:47.56 | synx | xine is a player, not an encoder, I think. |
| 03:48.16 | synx | gstreamer goes both ways. <3 Got it to perfectly transcode some Quicktime crap into ogg/theora/vorbis the other day. |
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| 03:49.38 | husk | so Dewi ? |
| 03:49.38 | yigal | synx: please read http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#ABOUT |
| 03:50.12 | mindmedic | synx: quicktime crap. thats almost rude. |
| 03:50.37 | yigal | mindmedic: i like that style with quicktime, ha |
| 03:50.46 | Dewi | husk: that's a web page... which xml file? the wsdl? |
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| 03:50.55 | husk | oh wait , sorry |
| 03:51.12 | mindmedic | yigal: these .movs are always so sharp and clear |
| 03:51.37 | yigal | mindmedic: i've lately been prone to divx :( so sad |
| 03:51.56 | husk | http://www.dataaccess.com/webservicesserver/numberconversion.wso?WSDL |
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| 03:52.23 | mindmedic | divx? these files from stage6? |
| 03:53.21 | yigal | mindmedic: yes, avi with an extra bit |
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| 03:53.59 | Dewi | husk: hmm |
| 03:54.04 | Dewi | husk: well that is well-formed |
| 03:54.14 | mindmedic | still the .divx ending irritates the mplayer plugin :/ |
| 03:54.17 | Dewi | husk: it doesn't validate against any schema or DTD though |
| 03:54.29 | Dewi | husk: but your error message was definitely complaining about wellformedness |
| 03:54.31 | yigal | mindmedic: how so? |
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| 03:55.32 | mindmedic | dunno, but mplayer doesn't take over the video playback. need to download them by taking the link out of the "embed" code |
| 03:55.35 | c`alin | Using Debian Lenny and a ATI Radeon 7000/VE I plan to set up a dual head display with a Monitor as the main and TV and secondary. i've seen before a how-to, but that was years past and I've lost it. does anyone have any constructive links or ideas on what to search for on google, everything i've come up with was "I did this and this was the result" but nothing that is a generic howto, and definately not explaining what it is they ar |
| 03:55.35 | c`alin | e doing as you do the instructions... |
| 03:55.48 | ErichK | Hey, I have a network with 1 windows box and 1 linux box, and I have a printer connected to the windows box, it's a lexmark z705, does anyone know how I can get it to work with linux? |
| 03:55.50 | yigal | c`alin: AHAHAH too long |
| 03:55.51 | c`alin | WOAH! Sorry for the massive text. I guess I type too much |
| 03:55.59 | c`alin | I'll short that up |
| 03:56.22 | husk | Dewi , i know .... |
| 03:56.23 | c`alin | I need help doing a dual head diaplay with ati radeon 7000 monitor+tv debian lenny x86 |
| 03:56.31 | yigal | mindmedic: yes, i have a small script that does this and then downloads them :) |
| 03:56.43 | c`alin | links for tuts or constructive keywords for google searches would be nice. |
| 03:56.56 | Dewi | ErichK: windows doesn't abstract network printing... using a network printer is like using a local printer except that it spools somewhere else over a network. The printing computer still needs to be able to talk to that kind of printer |
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| 03:56.58 | c`alin | I'd like to know what it is i'm doing when i do it, if at all possible |
| 03:57.00 | yigal | mindmedic: it then opens mplayer and no sweat off my back |
| 03:57.07 | RockerMONO | what's the bin for qemu? killall qemu wont close it =\ |
| 03:57.09 | husk | Dewi , so what can i do ? obviously it's debian .. |
| 03:57.12 | Dewi | ErichK: so you'll need a driver for that printer |
| 03:57.14 | mindmedic | how do you extract the link? |
| 03:57.35 | Dewi | ErichK: I don't know a lot about it... CUPS seems to be the most common printing system around here |
| 03:57.41 | yigal | RockerMONO: have you tried: pkill que? |
| 03:57.44 | ErichK | Dewi: Well the windows box has a driver, and it works fine with that, but if I go to set it up, it asks for a driver |
| 03:57.49 | yigal | RockerMONO: or "ps -A" ? |
| 03:57.54 | mindmedic | i could do it with some string lib but with a script i'm puzzled |
| 03:58.00 | Dewi | husk: consider trying some simpler files? |
| 03:58.16 | husk | that's the simpler i found heheheh |
| 03:58.22 | RockerMONO | yigal: it says it's called qemu... |
| 03:58.26 | husk | that's only a little num/word convertor |
| 03:58.32 | yigal | mindmedic: just with a little sed, grep, its really dirty and not worth much if you want it, its yours :) |
| 03:58.45 | yigal | RockerMONO: just "pkill -9 qemu" |
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| 03:59.01 | RockerMONO | THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:59.05 | RockerMONO | i've been trying to close it for like 10 minutes |
| 03:59.23 | yigal | sure :), wow awsome glad to be of service |
| 03:59.27 | mindmedic | yeah it would be interesting |
| 03:59.33 | ErichK | I go to print, add and then select the computer and the printer, and on the next page, it asks for Manufacturer, Model and driver |
| 03:59.40 | ErichK | But there is nothing on the drop down list |
| 03:59.57 | Dewi | ErichK: maybe you need to install a driver for that printer |
| 04:00.03 | yigal | mindmedic: I am not sure how to send files with irssi, its my second day I will have to figure it out :) |
| 04:00.33 | mindmedic | better use email :) |
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| 04:05.37 | c`alin | Re-Q: Looking for help finding links to set up dual head debian lenny display with radeon 7000/ve and xorg |
| 04:05.50 | yigal | mindmedic: did you get the message i sent? |
| 04:06.01 | mindmedic | yeah |
| 04:06.33 | mindmedic | but apparently it didn't work vice versa |
| 04:07.26 | john_titor | hello ...... when i install flash player ask me about the installation path of mozilla seamonkey or firefox |
| 04:07.47 | john_titor | when i put the path shows me that is invalid |
| 04:08.50 | nvz | is there any software in debian that will read quick books files? |
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| 04:10.43 | yigal | mindmedic: did you get the link? |
| 04:10.57 | Tommy- | hi, how will debian etch preform on an old computer with 256mb RAM? |
| 04:11.13 | yigal | Tommy-: it depends on what you put on it |
| 04:11.37 | liable | should be fine |
| 04:11.39 | Tommy- | yigal: just the first cd |
| 04:11.49 | john_titor | it was iceweasel ¨ |
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| 04:12.02 | Tommy- | how fast will etch boot? |
| 04:12.10 | waqjan | Tommy-: it can't be just the first cd |
| 04:12.28 | Tommy- | waqjan: why not? |
| 04:12.35 | yigal | Tommy-: it depends if you want a really fast OS try DSL, or Puppy or Vector but Debian is pretty good |
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| 04:13.25 | john_titor | wich is the erase command on the terminal? |
| 04:13.28 | Tommy- | yigal: and everything i need, the basics, is on the first CD? |
| 04:13.37 | john_titor | wanna delete a directory |
| 04:13.51 | jetscreamer | rm -R |
| 04:13.57 | john_titor | ok thx |
| 04:13.59 | c`alin | john_titor: rmdir if it's empty |
| 04:14.05 | jetscreamer | cd#1 |
| 04:14.14 | phorce1 | Tommy-: speed depends on the computer doing the booting. I have one that takes 10 minutes just to POST before it even reads the boot sector. Once it reaches the disk though, it takes under a minute to completely boot. |
| 04:14.20 | john_titor | ok :D |
| 04:14.23 | jetscreamer | or get dvd#1 |
| 04:14.35 | jetscreamer | how'd the uuid go |
| 04:14.41 | yigal | Tommy-: not really, if you need to wifi then you will need more |
| 04:14.57 | yigal | Tommy-: its really all about what you need |
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| 04:15.49 | Tommy- | yigal: i have a LAN with dsl, and have no specific program needs. Just a document writer and something to view photos and music player, ect.... |
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| 04:16.06 | jetscreamer | guess that means it worked |
| 04:16.42 | phorce1 | Tommy-: when I do an install I escape out when it reaches the point that it is running 'tasksel'. That leaves you with a VERY basic but bootable system using just the "net install" CD. |
| 04:17.11 | yigal | Tommy-: do you want a gui like GNOME or KDE ? |
| 04:17.13 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks, cept the laptop and maybe the dev ones |
| 04:17.18 | phorce1 | Tommy-: you're talking aout installing a full X-Windows system. So much for speed |
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| 04:17.44 | jetscreamer | i just take the check marks off.. or x's |
| 04:17.53 | Tommy- | yigal: i need a gui, gnome's the default isnt it? |
| 04:18.10 | Tommy- | yeah full x system |
| 04:18.10 | jetscreamer | the default is the one you install |
| 04:18.28 | jetscreamer | aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 04:18.29 | yigal | Tommy-: you will probably want the 1st DVD, but if you only have a cd rom that might be difficult unless you can chroot in from another system |
| 04:18.47 | jetscreamer | you can use the iso |
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| 04:19.09 | RockerMONO | erm.... this might sound INCREDIBLY stupid... but how do i do a symlink? >.> |
| 04:19.12 | Tommy- | does the first debian cd offer a choice between gnome and kde? |
| 04:19.22 | yigal | RockerMONO: ln -s |
| 04:19.25 | jetscreamer | ln -sn this link |
| 04:19.33 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:19.37 | yigal | yes |
| 04:19.38 | jetscreamer | it does |
| 04:19.47 | jetscreamer | man ln |
| 04:20.16 | Tommy- | yigal: i think the cd is enough for everyday simple use, plus i already have the cd downloaded and i have a download allowance |
| 04:20.21 | yigal | RockerMONO: but "ln -s "stuff you want a link for" "link to be placed"" works |
| 04:20.34 | RockerMONO | ok |
| 04:20.46 | yigal | Tommy-: go to then, enjoy :) |
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| 04:21.52 | RockerMONO | yigal: it stuffs the file inside it... |
| 04:21.57 | Tommy- | OK, thanks everyone youve been a great help. Bye *off to install debian* |
| 04:22.12 | RockerMONO | yigal: i'm trying to link "/var/www/os" to "/root/MCGWOS_2/", how would i do that? |
| 04:23.08 | yigal | RockerMONO: ln -s /var/www/os /root/MCGWOS_2/ |
| 04:23.13 | RockerMONO | yigal: ln -s "/var/www/os" "/root/MCGWOS_2/" gives me /var/www/os/MCGWOS_2/ |
| 04:23.32 | RockerMONO | oh |
| 04:23.33 | RockerMONO | woops |
| 04:23.43 | yigal | RockerMONO: try "ls /root/MCGWOS_2/os" is it there? |
| 04:23.53 | RockerMONO | i mixed up the params haha |
| 04:24.04 | yigal | ah, yes, happens :) |
| 04:24.09 | RockerMONO | wait no |
| 04:24.11 | RockerMONO | ...hm |
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| 04:24.12 | simonrvn | ln is crazy that way |
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| 04:24.27 | phorce1 | RockerMONO: That's why I use Midnight Commander to do symlinks |
| 04:24.36 | RockerMONO | yigal: no i didnt..... what you sent me puts /root/MSGWOS_2/os" ... |
| 04:24.53 | yigal | RockerMONO: good isn't that what you wanted? |
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| 04:25.12 | RockerMONO | yigal: no. i want /var/www/os to point to /root/MCGWOS_2/ |
| 04:25.28 | yigal | RockerMONO: so "os" is a folder? |
| 04:25.43 | RockerMONO | yea |
| 04:26.19 | yigal | RockerMONO: Ah, "ln -s /root/MCGWOS_2 /var/www/os" |
| 04:26.51 | RockerMONO | ...erm...that's what gave me /var/www/os/MCGWOS_2/ |
| 04:26.54 | RockerMONO | =\ |
| 04:27.36 | RockerMONO | yigal: ^ |
| 04:27.40 | yigal | RockerMONO: you must delete the folder, or symlink /var/www/os first before creating the symlink |
| 04:27.54 | yigal | RockerMONO: yes ? :) |
| 04:27.57 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 04:28.25 | yigal | is it working? |
| 04:28.27 | RockerMONO | wooo |
| 04:28.28 | RockerMONO | yes |
| 04:28.35 | RockerMONO | i needed to take the / off the end haha |
| 04:28.47 | RockerMONO | i had "ln -s /root/MCGWOS_2 /var/www/os/" |
| 04:29.19 | yigal | yes, good, so small |
| 04:29.29 | RockerMONO | hm |
| 04:29.30 | RockerMONO | ok |
| 04:29.31 | RockerMONO | so |
| 04:29.38 | yigal | you did it :) |
| 04:29.38 | RockerMONO | question: |
| 04:29.43 | yigal | oh? |
| 04:29.52 | RockerMONO | how do i make it so that the symlinked one is sent as plain text, but leave the original as-is? |
| 04:30.08 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: I ended up grabbing the initrd, un-gzipping it, un-cpio-ing it, editing ONE STINKIN LINE in ONE STINKIN FILE (I blacklisted the SATA driver so udev doesn't load it in initrd), then cpio, gzip, copy new initrd to old name. BOOM, works |
| 04:30.28 | RockerMONO | yigal: the symlinked one is in the www folder of a webserver in case you couldn't guess ;) |
| 04:31.10 | RockerMONO | yigal: any idea how to do that? |
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| 04:31.27 | jetscreamer | heh... wtg dude, i couldn't be assed to do that when it was me :) oh, also a -386 kernel doesn't have that problem (i forgot) i started from there |
| 04:31.58 | jetscreamer | s/assed/didn't\ know\exactly\ how) |
| 04:32.00 | jetscreamer | err / |
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| 04:33.11 | phorce1 | jetscreamer: I'm still going to have to jack with udev rules and make the SATA drives always load as /dev/sd[w x y z] though. I have 12 SCA slots to fill and as I add SCA drives the SATA drive letters will keep changing if I don't fix it now. |
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| 04:33.53 | phorce1 | errr, *16* sca slots and 4 SATA |
| 04:34.02 | jair | I am trying to get the packaging guide for debian |
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| 04:34.23 | jair | anyone knows where or how to get it? is the packaging guide the same as the one for ubuntu? |
| 04:34.30 | jair | !packaging-manual |
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| 04:34.41 | jair | !package-manual |
| 04:34.56 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 04:34.56 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 04:35.00 | jetscreamer | !package |
| 04:35.14 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:35.16 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 04:35.26 | jair | jetscreamer: that was for me? |
| 04:35.30 | jetscreamer | yeah... |
| 04:35.36 | jair | good thanks |
| 04:35.49 | jetscreamer | i forget the factoid you want |
| 04:36.15 | jetscreamer | !create a debian package |
| 04:36.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, create a debian package is apt-get install maint-guide, or see build package |
| 04:36.37 | jetscreamer | !build package |
| 04:36.37 | dpkg | somebody said build package was 'dpkg-buildpackage' or 'apt-get -b source <pkg>' |
| 04:36.44 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:36.52 | phorce1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 04:46.12 | sparr | Is there a program that will tell me how much space every package that is not depended on by another package is using, including its share of all its dependencies? |
| 04:48.27 | phorce1 | Are there any automagic udev-rule-making scripts out there? udev rules are ugly and confusing |
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| 04:55.02 | Red_Cloud | I know that this is not the correct chat for this question, but you folks are very knowledgable and I have gotten no response from #debian-kde nor #kde. So here is my question: I would like to learn how to create with the menu editor to be able to open bastille which open in an X window. I have tried all sorts of commands but am much to ignorant to accomplish this untutored. If I open a konsole, login as root and execute |
| 04:56.02 | Red_Cloud | "usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille: unknown command" I can open the UI. How can I accomplish this with an entry with the Menu Editor? Bastille uses perl-tk. Help? |
| 04:56.14 | RockerMONO | hm... how do i tar a file? >.> |
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| 05:13.02 | simonrvn | !tar |
| 05:13.02 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 05:13.07 | simonrvn | RockerMONO: ^^^ |
| 05:13.17 | RockerMONO | simonrvn: nevermind lol |
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| 05:22.07 | andrej | What is the name ofthe program debian runs on install to set-up networking? I installed a box weeks ago, nad iddn't setup the network :} |
| 05:22.30 | andrej | and my typing sucks big time |
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| 05:24.01 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 05:24.17 | andrej | hi |
| 05:24.26 | Mazingaro | please I got kernel panic after burning data dvds (k3b + kernel 2.6.21) |
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| 05:25.15 | simonrvn | andrej: some d-i thing, basically it sets up /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, /etc/network/interfaces, and maybe a couple of other files |
| 05:25.31 | simonrvn | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:25.49 | andrej | simonrvn : heh ... I know it exists. I need its name :} |
| 05:26.09 | andrej | There are so MANY d-things |
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| 05:26.27 | lectures4ever | Hello |
| 05:26.34 | lectures4ever | I need help and rescue |
| 05:26.38 | simonrvn | i don't know it. i told you what it does, should be enough... |
| 05:26.44 | lectures4ever | you know when you run "whereis apache2" and you get a list of all the dirs it occurs in ? |
| 05:26.45 | simonrvn | !tell Mazingaro -about ask |
| 05:26.46 | andrej | heh |
| 05:26.50 | simonrvn | !tell lectures4ever -about ask |
| 05:26.56 | lectures4ever | you know when you run "whereis apache2" and you get a list of all the dirs it occurs in ? |
| 05:27.06 | lectures4ever | well I deleted them |
| 05:27.12 | lectures4ever | now no install (apt-get ) of apache2 or apache2-common replaces the missing /usr/lib/apache/modules |
| 05:27.17 | lectures4ever | all my installs and uninstalls and purges of apache2 , don't solve the problem |
| 05:27.26 | lectures4ever | all the .so modules are missing |
| 05:27.30 | lectures4ever | (deleted) |
| 05:27.33 | Mazingaro | simonrvn: then? |
| 05:27.35 | lectures4ever | new installs don't replace them |
| 05:27.41 | lectures4ever | :( |
| 05:27.54 | simonrvn | !tell lectures4ever -about confmiss |
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| 05:28.28 | simonrvn | Mazingaro: file a bug if there isn't one in the BTS already, if this is a debian kernel |
| 05:28.55 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: very interesting ... I'll try it , you think that'll fix it ? |
| 05:29.00 | simonrvn | Mazingaro: if this is a custom one, then you'll have to bring it up with LKML |
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| 05:29.21 | simonrvn | try it and see, lectures4ever |
| 05:30.22 | lectures4ever | simnrvn |
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| 05:30.39 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: /usr/lib/apache/ still empty |
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| 05:31.49 | simonrvn | then unpack the deb with the modules in it to / - WARNING: any customisations WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 05:32.15 | simonrvn | dpkg -x the.deb / && dpkg -i the.deb |
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| 05:32.32 | simonrvn | the second invocation is to make sure it's installed properly |
| 05:32.55 | lectures4ever | where do I get the exact deb name of the apache2 ? |
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| 05:33.56 | lectures4ever | apache2 is not listed in http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ |
| 05:34.05 | lectures4ever | only apache1.3 |
| 05:35.47 | simonrvn | it's called apache2 |
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| 05:36.59 | jabba_da_hut | is there any way to adjust the subtitle sync in VLC? |
| 05:37.40 | lectures4ever | apache2 is not listed in http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ |
| 05:38.03 | lectures4ever | just use apache2.deb ? |
| 05:38.07 | simonrvn | it should be... search for it... |
| 05:38.18 | simonrvn | i *know* it is |
| 05:38.30 | sparr | how can i make apt not keep debs in /var/cache/apt/archive ? |
| 05:39.15 | simonrvn | ma apt |
| 05:39.17 | simonrvn | man apt |
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| 05:41.03 | phorce1 | sparr: get in the habit of doing an 'apt-get clean' after any install sessions |
| 05:41.14 | tanob | hello, anybody knows if there is a way to configure the area of the scrolling in the touchpad? my touchpad is working just in the red area (http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1290/touchpadbm9.jpg) |
| 05:41.27 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: i want to try your step |
| 05:41.38 | sparr | phorce1: can i make that automagic? without writing my own script for apt.conf.d |
| 05:41.38 | lectures4ever | i don't find apache2 in /var/cache/apt/archive/ |
| 05:41.57 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: apt-get --reinstall -d install alltheapachedebsyouneedhere |
| 05:42.39 | simonrvn | sparr: dselect does it auto, asks you at the end of the install process (Y as default) |
| 05:43.13 | lectures4ever | simonrvn: how do i get their names ?????? |
| 05:43.23 | simonrvn | i just have aptitude do it... F10 c d |
| 05:43.28 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: you search for them |
| 05:43.49 | simonrvn | er, sec on that keys =) |
| 05:43.55 | simonrvn | s,that,those, |
| 05:44.04 | simonrvn | F10 c |
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| 05:44.39 | phorce1 | sparr: You'd have to 'man apt-get' (or possibly try 'apropos apt' for other possible man pages) to see if you can make it automagic. I just add drive space when I get low. heh |
| 05:44.57 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-common apache2-whatever etc. |
| 05:45.11 | simonrvn | could be apache2.2-* ... |
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| 05:45.45 | sparr | phorce1: heh, try embedded linux :) what is this "drive" you speak of? |
| 05:47.03 | rking | everyone's GNU/Linux advocacy hats on? good. i'm writing an essay, and so far i have a table with these dimensions: Price, Ancestors, Security, Install Base, Vendor, Design Philosophy, Software Culture, Code Access, GUI, Compatibility, Office Suite, Support, and Customizability |
| 05:47.06 | phorce1 | SOMETHING caused apache2 to get installed during a huge apt-get session when I wasn't reading carefully enough. Took me a minute to figure out why my web server was suddenly just showing a page that says "IT WORKS" instead of the 3 domains I'm actually serving out. |
| 05:47.15 | rking | any other headings i'm not thinking of that need to go in the table? |
| 05:47.31 | simonrvn | karsten: thanks :) |
| 05:47.32 | karsten | !why debian |
| 05:47.33 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 05:47.36 | rking | oh, crap - it's getting late, and my brain is fried - i'm comparing Windows, OSX, Commercial Unix, and Linux |
| 05:47.37 | karsten | rking: ^^ |
| 05:47.47 | rking | good one, kar. |
| 05:47.57 | simonrvn | phorce1: EEK |
| 05:48.07 | phorce1 | Then when I apt-get removed apache2 the darn thing wiped out my /var/www even though apache 1.3 was still installed (luckily it was just a symlink to /home/www) |
| 05:48.10 | bullgard4 | Why is there no man kinit? |
| 05:48.12 | karsten | rking: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html as well, in parts. |
| 05:48.27 | karsten | bullgard4: kinit isn't a userspace program? |
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| 05:48.56 | phorce1 | simonrvn: heh -- we've shifted networks and OFTC has gone silent. Do we talk a lot? |
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| 05:49.25 | lectures4ever | dpkg -x libapache2-mod-* / && dpkg -i libapache2-mod-* |
| 05:49.27 | karsten | bullgard4: Hrm. Possibly a packaging bug. What *is* kinit? |
| 05:49.30 | lectures4ever | no such packages |
| 05:49.37 | p_masho | does debian 3.1 come with apt and will I be apble to update to debian4 . Got a new managed serer and fedora=4. Debian 3.1 is option but need php5.2+ |
| 05:49.41 | lectures4ever | dpkg -x apache2-common.deb no such package |
| 05:49.54 | rking | karsten: roger. |
| 05:50.47 | rking | karsten: that's a rad pair of images... "You may think Linux looks like this..." |
| 05:50.52 | simonrvn | phorce1: too much ;p |
| 05:51.38 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: uh, use your head, and know what you're doing ... man dpkg |
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| 05:51.57 | bullgard4 | karsten: /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/bin/kinit |
| 05:52.21 | Firztspawn | anyone home?, I have a problem with networking on a new install of debian testing |
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| 05:53.04 | Firztspawn | I can ping localhost, and the ip of eth0, but I cant ping anything else, including the gateway |
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| 05:53.31 | lectures4ever | man |
| 05:53.40 | lectures4ever | the package system is brokenb |
| 05:53.46 | Firztspawn | have tried route, and its output look a bit screwed |
| 05:53.47 | lectures4ever | how do I reinstall the fucking server? |
| 05:53.54 | lectures4ever | that's should be fucking simple to do? |
| 05:53.59 | lectures4ever | why are you fucking torturing me ?\ |
| 05:54.17 | lectures4ever | what kind of fucking terrorist operating system is it where you can't fucking reinstall a deleted fucking apache? |
| 05:54.24 | lectures4ever | you're doing this shit on fucking purpose ? |
| 05:54.27 | krazykit | yes. |
| 05:54.30 | krazykit | just to bother you. |
| 05:54.31 | lectures4ever | fucking help me mother fuckers |
| 05:54.35 | phorce1 | lectures4ever: it's very simple. apt-get install [whatever you want to install] quit farking with dpkg directly |
| 05:54.41 | lectures4ever | or i'll kill the first people I see on the street |
| 05:54.43 | lectures4ever | mother fuckers |
| 05:54.48 | krazykit | well, speaking like that, you're gonna get /ignore pretty fast |
| 05:54.51 | lectures4ever | HELP ME REINSTALL THE FUCKING APACHE MOTHER FUCKERS |
| 05:54.59 | lectures4ever | I LIVE NEXT TO MANY EMbassIES |
| 05:55.03 | bullgard4 | karsten: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/kinit is a 'program'. |
| 05:55.09 | lectures4ever | i SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD I'LL KILL THE FIRST DIPLOMATS I SEE |
| 05:55.14 | lectures4ever | IF YOU DON'T FUCKING HELP ME |
| 05:55.14 | liable | oh, shut the fuck up already |
| 05:55.18 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.22 | rking | lol |
| 05:55.34 | Firztspawn | anyone able to help? |
| 05:55.34 | lectures4ever | I GOT BOMBS AND WEAPONS |
| 05:55.37 | Kevin` | apt-get install apache2 |
| 05:55.41 | rking | hehe |
| 05:55.42 | lectures4ever | AND I AM SURROUNDED BY EUROPEAN EMBASSIES |
| 05:55.57 | liable | Firztspawn: how did you set your route? |
| 05:55.59 | lectures4ever | I WILL BLOW THE HEADS OF ANY EUROPEANS I SEE IF YOU DO NOT HELP ME |
| 05:56.01 | krazykit | !ops lectures4ever is threatening to blow up embassies if he can't reinstall apache. |
| 05:56.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: krazykit complains about: lectures4ever is threatening to blow up embassies if he can't reinstall apache. |
| 05:56.12 | rking | rotfl |
| 05:56.16 | Firztspawn | liable; using the automated app, on install |
| 05:56.16 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: what's the output of ifconfig eth0 (send it to pastebin and link us) |
| 05:56.55 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: STFU |
| 05:56.56 | liable | Firztspawn: so you can get a dhcp lease from your router? |
| 05:57.04 | Firztspawn | cant link you lol, but the output of ifconfig looks correct |
| 05:57.18 | Firztspawn | all ips are static |
| 05:57.18 | simonrvn | what a fucking moron |
| 05:57.42 | lectures4ever | YOU'RE THE FUCKING MORON |
| 05:57.47 | lectures4ever | WHERE ARE THOSE FUCKING PACKAGES |
| 05:57.50 | simonrvn | not you Firztspawn |
| 05:57.56 | lectures4ever | NOT LISTED ON FUCKING PACKAGES.DEBIAN.ORG |
| 05:57.58 | Firztspawn | ips from the router are static anyway |
| 05:58.04 | lectures4ever | NOT RECOGNZIED BY YOUR DPKG COMMANS |
| 05:58.06 | Firztspawn | I realise that simonrvn :) |
| 05:58.11 | rking | i'm pretty sure he's half-joking. |
| 05:58.25 | simonrvn | those of you on irssi can use -replies to ignore both ways |
| 05:58.31 | liable | Firztspawn: so type out the route output |
| 05:58.37 | phorce1 | simonrvn: my public use of /ignore was just an announcement -- I did actually /ignore him It's all one can do |
| 05:58.39 | lectures4ever | FUCKING WINDOWS IS BETTER THAN THIS SHIT |
| 05:58.48 | Firztspawn | ok... |
| 05:58.59 | lectures4ever | WHAT THE HELL |
| 05:59.10 | lectures4ever | SO WHAT IF I DELETED /USR/LIB/APACHE2 |
| 05:59.14 | lectures4ever | I WANT RE-INSTATE IT |
| 05:59.17 | Firztspawn | localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 05:59.24 | lectures4ever | ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE |
| 05:59.30 | lectures4ever | TELL ME THE FUCK HOW TO |
| 05:59.56 | Kevin` | I kinda want to tell him how to, but.. that would be giving in sorta |
| 05:59.56 | lectures4ever | SOMEONE DCC ME THEIR /USR/LIB/APACHE2 DIRECTORY |
| 06:00.03 | Firztspawn | default 192.168.xxx.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:00.05 | Firztspawn | and thats it |
| 06:00.05 | lectures4ever | SOMEONE DCC ME THEIR /USR/LIB/APACHE2 DIRECTORY |
| 06:00.10 | Kevin` | now THAT is a fun solution |
| 06:00.11 | liable | dude, if you shut up now, and become sane again, you might get some help before an op wakes up and bans your ass |
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| 06:00.58 | liable | Firztspawn: thats ok |
| 06:01.01 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: That looks right |
| 06:01.06 | Firztspawn | is it? |
| 06:01.07 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 06:01.17 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/varlibapache2.tar - obviously that's the wront method of doing things, but it was fun to do because of the oddness of the request |
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| 06:01.30 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: no you're borken, learn how to use the effing tools before you going whining about anything. THEN ONCE YOU KNOW HOW you can bitch about specifics. otherwise SHUT THE FUCK UP. |
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| 06:01.49 | lectures4ever | I know how to use the tools barely |
| 06:01.57 | rking | simonrvn: no yelling. |
| 06:02.00 | lectures4ever | i shouldn't get a PHD in dpkg to reinstall a broken apache |
| 06:02.04 | lectures4ever | you know |
| 06:02.08 | lectures4ever | i wanna program |
| 06:02.09 | lectures4ever | code |
| 06:02.09 | Kevin` | that's why there is a man page |
| 06:02.13 | lectures4ever | not nanny fucking debian |
| 06:02.18 | rking | lectures4ever: i'm pretty sure this is not quite an associates degree in dpkg. |
| 06:02.22 | Arafangion | How do I change the ip address of a server while checking that the new settings are correct without neccessarily loosing my ssh connection I use to admin the server with? |
| 06:02.22 | lectures4ever | that's not the problem |
| 06:02.29 | lectures4ever | the problem is i need deb names |
| 06:02.32 | liable | whats so difficult in reinstalling the package anyway? |
| 06:02.36 | lectures4ever | it's the deb names that i need |
| 06:02.43 | Arafangion | (ie, once I add the new ip address, once I confirm that it works, I would like to remove the old one - not simply *replace* the ip addy) |
| 06:02.44 | lectures4ever | look it here: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apache2-common&version=oldstable&arch=i386 |
| 06:02.53 | lectures4ever | what the hell is this ? these are not deb names |
| 06:03.07 | phorce1 | Arafangion: set up the new IP on eth0:1 |
| 06:03.12 | lectures4ever | liable: all my /usr/lib/apache2 iempty |
| 06:03.18 | Kevin` | why are you using dpkg directly instead of apt-get or aptitude? |
| 06:03.20 | lectures4ever | because it was inadevertently deleted |
| 06:03.22 | simonrvn | he wants things handed to him on a silver plate. we don't do that here. go back to windows if he wants his hand held. |
| 06:03.27 | Arafangion | phorce1: In network/interfaces, just like that? |
| 06:03.27 | liable | lectures4ever: so reinstall apache2-common |
| 06:03.29 | Kevin` | anyway, all the debs are in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:03.33 | phorce1 | Arafangion: A single NIC can have as many IP addresses as you want |
| 06:03.33 | simonrvn | he should go* |
| 06:03.33 | lectures4ever | because /usr/lib/apache2 / WAS DELETED |
| 06:03.41 | Arafangion | phorce1: Or using ifconfig directly? |
| 06:03.42 | lectures4ever | Kevin: not there I looked |
| 06:03.49 | lectures4ever | i swear i looked there |
| 06:03.57 | Firztspawn | so anything else I should be looking at? |
| 06:04.07 | phorce1 | Arafangion: I'd use interfaces so you can control which is up and which is down |
| 06:04.10 | liable | just use ap-get, wats the problem? |
| 06:04.25 | Arafangion | phorce1: Ok, thanks. I'll investigate that solution :) |
| 06:04.46 | liable | Firztspawn: so you obviously plugged in the ap and gateway address, are you positive that they are right? |
| 06:04.48 | lectures4ever | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.54 | liable | s/ap/ip |
| 06:04.59 | phorce1 | Arafangion: when you have it working on :1 connect using that and change everything for :0 to the same IP address so it will come back at boot time. Then wipe out :1 |
| 06:05.06 | Firztspawn | yes, they are correct as they are the same on this computer |
| 06:05.18 | liable | same ip? |
| 06:05.25 | Firztspawn | no different ip lol |
| 06:05.28 | Firztspawn | sorry |
| 06:05.29 | liable | good |
| 06:05.41 | Arafangion | phorce1: I'm hoping that the fact that I am not currently multihomed is not going to be an issue - ie, I'm hoping that eth0 is syntatic sugar for eth0:0 |
| 06:05.43 | lectures4ever | dpkg -x apache2-utils_2.2.3-4_i386.deb |
| 06:05.50 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: have you tried just cycling eth0? 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"? |
| 06:05.55 | lectures4ever | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `apache2-utils_2.2.3-4_i386.deb': No such file |
| 06:05.59 | Firztspawn | not yet |
| 06:06.01 | Firztspawn | trying it now |
| 06:06.02 | liable | lectures4ever: you dick, i said, reinstall apache2-common |
| 06:06.06 | phorce1 | Arafangion: yes, it is |
| 06:06.13 | lectures4ever | it does nothing |
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| 06:06.17 | Arafangion | phorce1: Excellent. |
| 06:06.22 | lectures4ever | do you want ssh access to my machien ? |
| 06:06.25 | Arafangion | phorce1: Debian is so cool :) |
| 06:06.31 | lectures4ever | take ssh access to my machine |
| 06:06.35 | liable | no |
| 06:06.36 | lectures4ever | you 'll see it's not working |
| 06:06.50 | Firztspawn | phorce1; tried it, same thing |
| 06:06.51 | liable | dont ever be as stupid to seriously considor doing that |
| 06:07.01 | rking | i'll take it - what's the u&p? |
| 06:07.03 | lectures4ever | i'm considering doing anything to get apache back |
| 06:07.05 | phorce1 | liable: even though I can no longer see what lectures4ever is saying I smell a troll |
| 06:07.35 | lectures4ever | take access to my ssh |
| 06:07.40 | Arafangion | phorce1: I smell a naive idiot. |
| 06:07.47 | Arafangion | phorce1: Not troll. |
| 06:07.48 | lectures4ever | you tell me if i've omitted a logical step |
| 06:07.52 | liable | phorce1: you might be right, i think challenged is prooly a better chance |
| 06:07.52 | lectures4ever | because I tried everything |
| 06:08.29 | lectures4ever | when I apt-get install apache2-utils apache2-common (doesn't exist anymore by the way) , i installs nothing |
| 06:08.40 | lectures4ever | dir /usr/lib/apache2/ remains empty |
| 06:08.56 | lectures4ever | since it was mistakenly deleted , i haven't been able to reinstall apache2 |
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| 06:08.58 | lectures4ever | ok? |
| 06:09.00 | simonrvn | he's not a troll just lazy |
| 06:09.03 | phorce1 | one who works with computers cannot have a 'short fuse' nothing will ever work right. I've been trying to get my SATA drives working as desired for 3 or 4 days now. Finally made headway tonight. |
| 06:09.11 | lectures4ever | i'm not lazy |
| 06:09.19 | lectures4ever | i've been at this for the last 20 hours |
| 06:09.22 | lectures4ever | with no luck |
| 06:09.23 | Arafangion | phorce1: Indeed. |
| 06:09.26 | liable | well, seeing as they arent conf files, you shouldnt need --confmiss |
| 06:09.26 | lectures4ever | i'm wound down |
| 06:09.50 | liable | lectures4ever: is the dir actually there? or even that doesnt exist? |
| 06:09.50 | lectures4ever | i tried the command given by the guy who calls me lazy |
| 06:09.55 | lectures4ever | the dir is there |
| 06:09.55 | demasiadovivo | see if you have the correct sources to install apache |
| 06:09.59 | lectures4ever | but it remains empty |
| 06:10.08 | phorce1 | he's still jacking with dpkg directly? apt-get was created to avoid that |
| 06:10.16 | lectures4ever | i tried simon's command |
| 06:10.18 | lectures4ever | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 06:10.18 | Arafangion | lectures4ever: Then I'd buy a movie, and come back tomorrow, after a relaxing night, and then take from this experience the knowledge that you really should've had a backup if it was so mission critical, and learn how to use the tools properly. |
| 06:10.19 | lectures4ever | no go |
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| 06:10.51 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: homor me and type us the first two line of ifconfig eth0 |
| 06:10.54 | simonrvn | eh let him, he got himself in that spot |
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| 06:11.10 | Arafangion | lectures4ever: And ponder the wisdom if /ever/ using a --force command. |
| 06:11.32 | lectures4ever | hmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:11.43 | lectures4ever | debian sux |
| 06:11.46 | lectures4ever | and apache sux |
| 06:11.48 | lectures4ever | and OSS sux |
| 06:11.51 | liable | confmiss shouldnt even be needed i dont think |
| 06:11.51 | lectures4ever | long live bill gates |
| 06:11.58 | lectures4ever | long live Internet Information Server |
| 06:12.05 | lectures4ever | long live Microsoft Windows 98 |
| 06:12.06 | liable | lectures4ever: go to bed |
| 06:12.07 | phorce1 | s/homor/humor |
| 06:12.32 | Firztspawn | hmmm |
| 06:12.36 | Firztspawn | nm, sorted it |
| 06:12.40 | simonrvn | for the DOSs? no. at the time i thought he was talking about the confs |
| 06:12.45 | simonrvn | DSOs* |
| 06:12.54 | lectures4ever | my .so are all deleted |
| 06:12.57 | Arafangion | Still, it'd be good if BG lives for a long time - he's helping a good many people at the moment. |
| 06:12.58 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: bad cable? <grin> |
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| 06:13.15 | DavidProck1981 | hay in going to do a format and do the smallest install i can, no extra packages, and im going to need help with my video drivers (nvidia), |
| 06:13.26 | Firztspawn | I have a power adapter on my hub (lost the original one) ... appears my kid got to it and turned it down from 6V output to 4.5v output |
| 06:13.27 | simonrvn | i'm happy i've never had to deal with IIS and variants... |
| 06:13.39 | lectures4ever | can u help |
| 06:13.43 | lectures4ever | if so help |
| 06:13.50 | lectures4ever | don't keep telling what an asshole i am |
| 06:13.53 | Firztspawn | phorce1; no lol, I had already checked that |
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| 06:14.14 | DavidProck1981 | since im going to start from a bare minium, with proper instructions i cant go wrong, so can some one give me a list of what to install in what order |
| 06:14.17 | Firztspawn | Im surprised the hub even worked |
| 06:14.28 | Firztspawn | all pings okay now :) |
| 06:14.35 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: Essentially the same problem though. If all the configs look right start looking outside the box. |
| 06:14.35 | Firztspawn | sorry for bothering you all |
| 06:14.39 | DavidProck1981 | probly starting with xorg , correct |
| 06:14.39 | demasiadovivo | lectures4ever, so don't act like an asshole |
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| 06:14.48 | Arafangion | demasiadovivo++ |
| 06:15.02 | lectures4ever | even if i'm a real asshole, i deserve as a human to prevail over a broken apache2 |
| 06:15.02 | Firztspawn | while Im here, how do I configure apt-get? |
| 06:15.13 | Firztspawn | now that I have net access |
| 06:15.27 | Arafangion | lectures4ever: And we deserve to be paid. |
| 06:15.31 | lectures4ever | what do you mean configure apt-get ? |
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| 06:15.41 | lectures4ever | Arafangion: yeah . so do I . !!! |
| 06:16.00 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: configure for what? Probably just need to check the /etc/apt/sources.list then 'apt-get update' |
| 06:16.01 | Firztspawn | as in during the install process it asked for a repository, I had to ditch that as I had no net access till now |
| 06:16.01 | lectures4ever | i'm willing to pay |
| 06:16.05 | lectures4ever | i'm willing to pay for helpp |
| 06:16.11 | lectures4ever | i got movies and comics and music |
| 06:16.18 | lectures4ever | i can pay you with that |
| 06:16.35 | Arafangion | lectures4ever: Consultant fees are likely to be more than that. |
| 06:16.39 | liable | go to bed, fix it tomoorow, your brain is obviously frazzled |
| 06:16.44 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: yes, what I said. add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list (and i'd dump the CD lines) |
| 06:17.16 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 06:17.26 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 06:17.42 | Firztspawn | change etch to lenny? |
| 06:17.45 | lectures4ever | no |
| 06:17.50 | lectures4ever | and actually |
| 06:17.54 | Firztspawn | Im using test |
| 06:17.56 | demasiadovivo | lectures4ever, don't you have synaptic or other package manager installed to see what is wrong with apache packages? |
| 06:17.58 | lectures4ever | I recommend you type in stable instead of tech |
| 06:18.01 | lectures4ever | I recommend you type in stable instead of etch |
| 06:18.08 | lectures4ever | because stable is more general |
| 06:18.16 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: yes, then use lenny or test in place of etch |
| 06:18.18 | lectures4ever | use "stable" in your sources.list instead of etch |
| 06:18.31 | lectures4ever | i'm not sure etch is still the stable version |
| 06:18.41 | demasiadovivo | etch is stable |
| 06:18.59 | lectures4ever | i use "stable" in my sources.list |
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| 06:19.14 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: I tend to use specific distro names rather than stable/testing/unstable to avoid problems on machines I seldom look at when there is a shift. |
| 06:19.31 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 06:19.36 | lectures4ever | ok. maybe phorce1 is right |
| 06:19.44 | phorce1 | Firztspawn: (and that should have said "lenny or testing" not "lenny or test" |
| 06:19.49 | liable | you must look *very* seldom if a debian distro release catches you unawares :P |
| 06:19.53 | Firztspawn | for this machine that will be appropriate |
| 06:20.19 | Arafangion | liable: Some of my 'stable' machines are still running sarge. |
| 06:20.22 | phorce1 | liable: I have a personal mail server running woody because I have no time to fool with it ---- and it works. |
| 06:20.41 | Arafangion | phorce1: I had a potato box once, but it was eventually deemed too slow :( |
| 06:20.49 | liable | phorce1: so upgrade it instead of wasting time here! :P |
| 06:20.50 | Arafangion | phorce1: But it was so damn reliable! |
| 06:20.51 | phorce1 | liable: and most of the servers here in the office are running sarge |
| 06:21.13 | MangosDebian | When Chuck Norris does push-ups, he doesn't push himself up, he pushes the earth down |
| 06:21.27 | phorce1 | liable: (did you miss the part that said "it works"?) <grin> |
| 06:21.31 | Arafangion | phorce1: That box survived an incorrectly inserted memory stick! :) Blue sparks flew everywhere, and that slot was fried and didn't work anymore, but everything else worked fine. Never crashed, even with win98! |
| 06:21.49 | Arafangion | (Though, due to its age, it only had very specific apps on it, and those apps were also reliable) |
| 06:22.54 | Firztspawn | ok, updating... thanx heaps :) |
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| 06:23.09 | phorce1 | Arafangion: the woody box survived loss of cooling fans that had the case literally hot enough to feel from about 4 feet (a little over a meter) away. It ran that way for at least 2 weeks while I was away. |
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| 06:24.11 | Arafangion | phorce1: They don't make machines like that anymore :( |
| 06:24.29 | Arafangion | phorce1: Though I did once have a P4 system run at 91C. |
| 06:24.30 | DavidProck1981 | is it only the non-free nvidia drivers that have 3D support? |
| 06:24.38 | Arafangion | phorce1: At 92C, it would crash hard. |
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| 06:25.15 | phorce1 | Arafangion: you should see the Sun E450 I'm hacking together now ( liable , it's to replace the woody box and other stuff). |
| 06:25.17 | Arafangion | DavidProck1981: No, the ATI drivers also have 3D support ;) |
| 06:25.39 | Arafangion | phorce1: One of these days, I wish I had the time to hack myself a laptop :( |
| 06:25.44 | phorce1 | Arafangion: 20 drive bays, 4 cpu's, 4G of RAM |
| 06:25.50 | DavidProck1981 | no , i mean of the nvidia olny |
| 06:25.54 | Arafangion | phorce1: That'd make a nice desktop ;) |
| 06:25.58 | DavidProck1981 | i got a nvidia card |
| 06:26.19 | DavidProck1981 | there is free and non free |
| 06:26.26 | Arafangion | DavidProck1981: It was a roundabout way of saying that yes, to get 3D for your card, you must use the binary only drivers. |
| 06:26.30 | liable | phorce1: you must get a *lot* of mail ;) |
| 06:26.36 | phorce1 | Arafangion: Actually, it makes a nice DESK. there is a 21" CRT plus mouse and keyboard and room for coffee and a dinner plate on top. |
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| 06:27.20 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 06:27.21 | Arafangion | phorce1: They really should make leg bays for that, so that you can have a nice heated place to sit in. :) |
| 06:27.27 | DavidProck1981 | Arafangion most likely it will need to build something, so what all will i need when starting with a bare minium system |
| 06:27.37 | phorce1 | liable: I'm going to be archiving some Volkswagen related lists that don't have viable archives elsewhere. And I keep ALL of my mail. That woody box has been upgraded in the past. There is email on there from back in 1996. |
| 06:27.51 | Arafangion | DavidProck1981: module-assistent and dependencies, afaik. |
| 06:27.52 | DavidProck1981 | ive hade help bwefore but i forgot all what i had to do |
| 06:28.19 | Arafangion | !tell DavidProck1981 about m-a |
| 06:28.35 | Arafangion | !tell DavidProck1981 about NVidia |
| 06:29.31 | Arafangion | phorce1: Ever thought of archiving c2.com? |
| 06:30.50 | GreaseMonkey | leaving, cya |
| 06:31.26 | phorce1 | I really don't have the bandwidth to set up web mirrors. The mailing-list archives will see limited use from a community of just several thousand people. |
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| 06:32.11 | Arafangion | phorce1: Fair enough. c2.com's a programming pattern's website that's dying, due to idiots :( |
| 06:32.54 | phorce1 | Arafangion: wget it all in case it vanishes and get permission to set it back up if you find a host. |
| 06:34.33 | Arafangion | phorce1: I really should, but that's complicated... it's a wiki, and the issue is not that the content is going to vanish, it's just that there's a few idiots who insist on adding a few dozen pages of garbage per day. |
| 06:34.40 | lectures4ever | Hello everyone. I have a problem: my /usr/lib/apache2 and /var/lib/apache2 were wrongly deleted. now attempts to install apache2 fail and my /usr/lib/apache2/ remains empty. can you please help ? |
| 06:35.25 | demasiadovivo | lectures4ever, you again? |
| 06:35.27 | DavidProck1981 | Arafangion will i need to install module-assistent before doing the one liner |
| 06:35.31 | liable | lectures4ever: paste the entire apt output to a pastebot. |
| 06:35.31 | lectures4ever | yeah |
| 06:35.36 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 06:35.38 | lectures4ever | yes |
| 06:35.45 | phorce1 | Arafangion: which means setting up a mirror probably won't help anyway. If you can find a host make it a moderated Wiki that requires (bannable) login to edit. |
| 06:35.45 | liable | lectures4ever: nice to see you've calmed down a little |
| 06:35.56 | lectures4ever | i'm exhausted |
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| 06:37.14 | lectures4ever | liable: do you recommend a particular pastebin ? |
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| 06:37.32 | liable | channel.debian.net/paste will do |
| 06:37.38 | liable | channels |
| 06:37.42 | phorce1 | lectures4ever: many here just use pastebin.com or .ca |
| 06:37.53 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 06:38.59 | Arafangion | phorce1: It's already moderated, but anyone can /add/ pages, which is where the issue lies. |
| 06:39.25 | Arafangion | phorce1: Some pages are locked, so that nobody outside of a special group can edit those pages, which is also problematic. |
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| 06:39.50 | Arafangion | phorce1: The real problem is that the community that uses and appreciates c2.com is so small that they can't be botrhered to implement a good solution :( |
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| 06:40.05 | lectures4ever | liable: http://paste.uni.cc/16932 |
| 06:40.14 | lectures4ever | notice that "Need to get 0KB" line |
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| 06:40.40 | lectures4ever | now /usr/lib/apache2/ remains empty as vacuum |
| 06:40.41 | phorce1 | Arafangion: that's a community problem, not a "where it's hosted" problem. If the original goes away and a new version pops up elsewhere the same people will move over and continue making problems. |
| 06:40.56 | Guerin | scowned! |
| 06:41.02 | liable | lectures4ever: what about apache2-common? thats the package that actually owns those files |
| 06:41.18 | lectures4ever | it tells me it 's been superseded (or some such verb) by apache2-utils |
| 06:41.21 | liable | with tea? |
| 06:41.51 | lectures4ever | E: Package apache2-common has no installation candidate |
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| 06:42.10 | liable | oops, sorry, apache2.2-common |
| 06:42.16 | lectures4ever | wait ... |
| 06:42.43 | lectures4ever | hey man |
| 06:42.45 | lectures4ever | that does it |
| 06:42.48 | lectures4ever | that did it |
| 06:42.59 | Arafangion | lectures4ever: Oh really(!) |
| 06:43.01 | lectures4ever | my /usr/lib/apache2/ is now populated with modules |
| 06:43.02 | lectures4ever | dir |
| 06:43.07 | lectures4ever | which is now back full of .so files |
| 06:43.09 | liable | know why was that so difficult, i told you to do that half an hour ago |
| 06:43.09 | lectures4ever | wow |
| 06:43.12 | phorce1 | lectures4ever: do an 'apt-cache search apache2 | less' and look for the -common package --- oh, nevermind. |
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| 06:44.39 | phorce1 | 'apt-cache search' is always your friend (used with 'less' because sometimes a generalized search returns a LOT of crap) |
| 06:45.35 | simonrvn | ffs, i told him all this crap an hour ago |
| 06:45.36 | liable | apt-cache cant tell you what package that files belong to though |
| 06:45.38 | Arafangion | phorce1: I'm finding that I'm increasingly using aptitude, despite it's seriously awful interface. (It doesn't even try to use conventional commands) |
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| 06:46.00 | Guerin | Arafangion: don't use the UI, use it from the command line. |
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| 06:46.04 | p_masho | is php5 available on "sarge" can see it in the list with a search for php5.. |
| 06:46.14 | Guerin | p_masho: no. Use etch. |
| 06:46.23 | p_masho | etch = 4.0 |
| 06:46.24 | Arafangion | Guerin: I use both forms. |
| 06:47.04 | p_masho | Guerin: am thinking of updateing from sarge to latest.. dist-upgrade. Its a remote managed-server. IS this a risky thing to do ?? |
| 06:47.21 | Guerin | p_masho: how stock is your setup? |
| 06:47.31 | Gm4n | what FTP server do you guys reccomend? |
| 06:47.35 | p_masho | stock ? |
| 06:47.37 | liable | p_masho: yes, less so if you follow the release notes |
| 06:47.42 | Guerin | p_masho: modified, or not |
| 06:47.43 | Arafangion | p_masho: Yes, though if you have a very typical debian setup, it's less risky than most other distros and OS's. |
| 06:47.58 | Guerin | Gm4n: vsftpd |
| 06:48.13 | Guerin | Gm4n: if it's good enough for kernel.org, it's good enough for you |
| 06:48.14 | p_masho | Guerin: its a "minimum instaall" , just reinstalled with the sarge image... |
| 06:48.48 | Guerin | p_masho: then it shouldn't be risky at all. The only problems tend to arise when you have a bunch of nonstandard shit installed. Follow the release notes closely and you should be fine. |
| 06:48.57 | p_masho | so i need to change sources/ and then run apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:49.25 | Arafangion | It's when one downgrades from Sid to Sarge that things get... interesting :) |
| 06:50.23 | Arafangion | Downgrading from Sid correctly is a /very/ slow process. |
| 06:51.07 | Guerin | as in, it takes *months* |
| 06:51.07 | liable | and *hair* |
| 06:51.07 | Guerin | and can't be done with sarge (or etch) now |
| 06:51.07 | p_masho | so what do I need to set the sources to ? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/183251 |
| 06:51.07 | phorce1 | p_masho: 'apt-get update' THEN 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ---- you should read through the release notes first though. You may need to upgrade the sarge kernel first or some such stuff. Someone who has done it correctly should clarify) |
| 06:51.08 | Arafangion | Guerin: Well, I specificaly stopped updating it for one year before downgrading from Sid. |
| 06:51.11 | Guerin | p_masho: you NEED to follow the install guide. |
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| 06:51.16 | Arafangion | Guerin: So, not months, a *year* :) |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | Arafangion: yep. But technically speaking, a year is measurable in months ;) |
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| 06:51.48 | Arafangion | Guerin: Statistically speaking, it's different ;) |
| 06:52.03 | Guerin | Badgerifically speaking, there's a mushroom. |
| 06:52.11 | Guerin | not to mention the snaaaake |
| 06:52.27 | Arafangion | Guerin: Oh, there's plenty of snakes in the process, for sure. |
| 06:52.29 | p_masho | phorce1: - here it goes ..wish it luck !! |
| 06:53.01 | phorce1 | aww crap ---- I cp'd my irssi config from another machine with root permissions. irssi just started griping that it can't save the file. brb |
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| 06:53.34 | microtux | hi everybody |
| 06:53.51 | microtux | how can i execute an assembly code on linux? |
| 06:54.07 | Guerin | microtux: ask #asm |
| 06:54.19 | microtux | thx |
| 06:54.20 | Guerin | but probably using an interpreter such as nasm |
| 06:54.39 | Tommy- | hi, i just installed etch and chose to install grub on the second hard drive, but now when i get to grub i cannot load any of the options. It says theres no such partition but ive checked it and i know all is right. help? |
| 06:57.41 | p_masho | it doest upgrade ? do I need to change the sources.list manuall y ? |
| 06:58.11 | liable | p_masho: you need to read the release notes |
| 06:58.42 | p_masho | liable: am trying to find then on the website .. here atmo http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 06:58.53 | phorce1 | p_masho: That's been stated several times follow the realease notes |
| 06:59.16 | phorce1 | p_masho: and, yes. you have to change your sources.list manually |
| 06:59.52 | liable | p_masho: yup, thats the right thing your looking at |
| 07:00.26 | lectures4ever | could you please take a look at : |
| 07:00.33 | lectures4ever | paste.uni.cc/16933 ? |
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| 07:00.45 | lectures4ever | i got dependency stuff up the wazoo with php |
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| 07:01.50 | p_masho | ..ready to do a remote dist-upgrade but cat see int he docs what I need to change sources.list to be .. |
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| 07:02.20 | lectures4ever | point it to the new dist you're gonna use. no ? |
| 07:03.29 | phorce1 | p_masho: change any instances of 'sarge' to 'etch' |
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| 07:05.17 | p_masho | whaw.. getting a lot of errors.. nto only 404 but some "stat" ones .. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/183253 |
| 07:06.35 | phorce1 | lectures4ever: try 'apt-get -f --reinstall install php5' or 'apt-get --purge remove php5 ; apt-get install php5' |
| 07:07.12 | liable | lectures4ever: try --reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 07:07.26 | liable | heh |
| 07:07.36 | DavidProck1981 | phorce1 what does --purge do |
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| 07:08.26 | phorce1 | DavidProck1981: removes all config files and directories when removing the package. Forces a REALLY clean reinstall |
| 07:08.40 | DavidProck1981 | ok thanks i was wondering |
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| 07:09.16 | DavidProck1981 | so the .folder files in your home, those will be gone too? |
| 07:09.17 | phorce1 | p_masho: try changing any instances of ftp.de.debian.org to ftp2.de.debian.org (I think that's the server name) |
| 07:09.32 | liable | DavidProck1981: no, it wont touch those |
| 07:09.58 | phorce1 | DavidProck1981: I'm not sure it goes that deep. Just the stuff in /etc, /var, and /usr |
| 07:10.30 | DavidProck1981 | im about to do a format |
| 07:10.56 | phorce1 | DavidProck1981: the install scripts have o clue that there are any actual users (and /home directories) on a system to remove those files. |
| 07:11.45 | DavidProck1981 | is there any thing ill need ot install and configure before doing the nvidia one liner on a bare minium system beside xorg? |
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| 07:13.13 | DavidProck1981 | im going old school to free up susyem resources, and as a learning experince |
| 07:13.23 | DavidProck1981 | system* |
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| 07:14.02 | liable | your going old school by installing nvidia binaries? |
| 07:14.32 | DavidProck1981 | no doing a format and not installing any desktop inviroment |
| 07:14.34 | lectures4ever | Error: The new file /usr/share/php5/php.ini-dist does not exist! |
| 07:14.46 | lectures4ever | dpkg: error processing libapache2-mod-php5 (--configure): |
| 07:14.53 | DavidProck1981 | mostly useing consolwe programs |
| 07:15.00 | lectures4ever | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 07:15.11 | lectures4ever | php5 depends on libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch7) | libapache-mod-php5 (>= |
| 07:15.25 | lectures4ever | Package libapache2-mod-php5 is not configured yet. |
| 07:15.27 | lectures4ever | etc |
| 07:15.45 | lectures4ever | im' still stuck but thanks for your help |
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| 07:17.13 | DavidProck1981 | hay u know how u can hit the up arrow in the shell and it will pull up previous commmands u made, is hhere any way to see that all as a log of something? |
| 07:17.26 | phorce1 | lectures4ever: try looking in the .deb for the php.ini-dist file and manually putting it in /usr/share/php5/. Then do a dpkg-reconfigure php5 |
| 07:17.36 | lectures4ever | DavidProck1981: .bash_history |
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| 07:17.49 | DavidProck1981 | in the home dir? |
| 07:17.53 | lectures4ever | DavidProck1981: look in your debian user's home dir |
| 07:17.54 | lectures4ever | yes |
| 07:17.58 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 07:17.59 | lectures4ever | there is a file .bash_history |
| 07:17.59 | phorce1 | DavidProck1981: or just type 'history' at the command prompt |
| 07:18.05 | lectures4ever | that's even better |
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| 07:18.40 | phorce1 | DavidProck1981: also, man history. there are ways to use it directly |
| 07:18.49 | DavidProck1981 | cool |
| 07:19.05 | DavidProck1981 | use it directly, what do u mean |
| 07:19.16 | lectures4ever | man history will tell you |
| 07:19.22 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 07:19.31 | lectures4ever | as opposed to just grepping the .bash_history file |
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| 07:23.15 | liable | lectures4ever: do you have php5-common installed? |
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| 07:25.02 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way to make ls allways use colors, after a few uses it stops? |
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| 07:26.56 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:27.07 | liable | dpkg: wake up |
| 07:27.07 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 07:27.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:27.11 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
| 07:27.24 | liable | heh |
| 07:28.07 | DavidProck1981 | is it good to Use kernel framebuffer device interface |
| 07:28.18 | DavidProck1981 | i got a lcd |
| 07:28.24 | DavidProck1981 | flat pannel |
| 07:28.36 | ^NaTacHa^ | u leet thing you |
| 07:29.00 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 07:30.18 | lekvar | xcompmgr++ |
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| 07:32.02 | rvalles | no comp manager at all <3 |
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| 07:32.34 | dutchfish | how to detect that my packages pass one a more switches to its destination in Debian? |
| 07:32.48 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 07:33.01 | DawnLight | my dad found a crt |
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| 07:33.22 | DawnLight | :---) |
| 07:33.30 | SerajewelKS | what command would i use to check the load on both cores of my processor |
| 07:33.38 | Bogus8 | how do I get my touchpad to work properly... I know I need to set something in xorg.conf but I can't figure it out... it's SLOW! |
| 07:33.45 | Fox_1_ | people I couldn't find information about debian repository creation. can you help me? |
| 07:33.49 | Tomasu | does anyone know how to get X to recognize the extra buttons on my keyboard? I played with some debugfs files and usb seems to see the keys, but none of the X programs I could find for querying keypreses sees them. |
| 07:34.03 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, top press '1' inside top and watch |
| 07:34.26 | DawnLight | Fox_1_: what is the goal? |
| 07:34.32 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: ah thanks |
| 07:35.07 | DawnLight | Tomasu: a package named keytouch |
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| 07:35.34 | DavidProck1981 | DawnLight open up the crt and check for roaches LOL |
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| 07:35.41 | Tomasu | seems its a gnome program.. is there any kde equivelent? |
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| 07:36.30 | _5-HT | Tomasu: give 'xev' 'xmodmap' a try |
| 07:36.38 | Tomasu | xev doesn't see any. |
| 07:36.54 | _5-HT | ouch |
| 07:37.16 | DawnLight | i don't think so. its a good program. try it. won't hurt installing some gnome libraries |
| 07:37.24 | _5-HT | Tomasu: I have had luck in the past with Gnome's keyboard shortcuts...it picked up my volume controls when xev wouldn't |
| 07:37.28 | Tomasu | ja. already installed.. |
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| 07:37.51 | DavidProck1981 | Gm4n i thought that once, but now i dont think it would be a good thing |
| 07:37.56 | Tomasu | keyboard isnt listed in the keytouch config |
| 07:38.01 | Gm4n | why isi that, DavidProck1981? |
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| 07:38.21 | DavidProck1981 | choice is important and also....... |
| 07:38.24 | DawnLight | Tomasu: go to the keytouch website |
| 07:38.34 | Tomasu | just doing so ;) |
| 07:39.01 | phorce1 | dutchfish: Cool. Mine shows CPU0, CPU1, CPU2, CPU3 |
| 07:39.06 | _5-HT | Bogus8, you'll need to edit your xorg.conf, a search will reveal the proper parameters you can change. Alternatively, you can do it graphically with gsynaptics |
| 07:39.11 | black12313 | hello i have a problem my emacs style text editing shortcuts are conflicting with the iceweasel shortcut keys can some one help ? |
| 07:39.20 | dutchfish | phorce1, yw |
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| 07:40.04 | DavidProck1981 | Gm4n, u notice with the PC's on the shelfs, how they stop selling xp and now it is all vista and u cant buy xp any more? what it up with that, is bill gates tring to hurry up with some master plan? |
| 07:40.11 | just_free_man | hi all! |
| 07:40.12 | phorce1 | (They're all near 0, but it's still cool!) heh |
| 07:40.42 | black12313 | anyone ? |
| 07:41.36 | black12313 | !ask hello i have a problem my emacs style text editing shortcuts are conflicting with the iceweasel shortcut keys can some one help ? |
| 07:41.38 | dpkg | that's too long, black12313 |
| 07:41.40 | Bogus8 | _5-HT: I have tried searching... I have synaptic in the xorg... but it doesn't change the speed of the touchpad |
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| 07:41.44 | dutchfish | black12313, at the top of my had, this you can config in the window in wich emacs is running, keyboard shortcuts |
| 07:41.56 | Bogus8 | _5-HT: by "it" I mean gsnyaptics |
| 07:42.03 | dbristow-work | I have a simple question: on a running Debian system, how can I tell which version it is? |
| 07:42.04 | black12313 | oh really ? |
| 07:42.11 | Tomasu | the keytouch editor doesnt seem to be seeing any scancodes from the extra buttons :( |
| 07:42.20 | liable | dbristow-work: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:42.25 | dbristow-work | ahhh. |
| 07:42.27 | _5-HT | Bogus8, ,you may need 'SHMconfig' enabled in your xorg.conf then |
| 07:42.29 | dbristow-work | just like /etc/redhat-release |
| 07:42.41 | dutchfish | dbristow-work, uname -a |
| 07:42.43 | Bogus8 | _5-HT: I had to put that just to get gsnyaptics to fire up |
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| 07:42.57 | dbristow-work | it says lenny/sid, but I thought those were two different versions |
| 07:43.05 | _5-HT | Bogus8, sorry, I'm not sure what's going on then. Is it a Synaptics/Alps touchpad? |
| 07:43.22 | dbristow-work | no, uname -a only gives the kernel version |
| 07:43.41 | liable | dbristow-work: if you are running testing or unstable and dont know which, then you shouldnt be :P |
| 07:43.41 | dutchfish | dbristow-work, cat /etc/debian-cersion would do |
| 07:43.48 | dutchfish | dbristow-work, cat /etc/debian-version would do |
| 07:43.52 | Bogus8 | _5-HT: umm, it's a Toshiba Tecra M3 ... i've run it before but I couldn't get somethings configured and it was dual boot so I ended up not using it and forgot what I did |
| 07:43.57 | liable | libc6 version |
| 07:44.04 | dbristow-work | customer wants a re-install of the version that's on this box |
| 07:44.07 | Bogus8 | _5-HT: so I have since reinstalled debian |
| 07:44.13 | dbristow-work | I'm just trying to establish what version that is |
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| 07:44.25 | Guerin | !what version |
| 07:44.25 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 07:44.31 | Bogus8 | I tried ubuntu and didn't like it |
| 07:44.46 | Jordanhatch | i tried debian and it blew up my pc! |
| 07:44.54 | phorce1 | interesting, very low load since it's a clean install but CPU1 and CPU3 seen to get used more than CPU0 and CPU2 (they leave the 100% idle state more often) |
| 07:44.57 | black12313 | LOL don't scare the kid |
| 07:44.58 | Jordanhatch | ÂŁ1000 of hardware burnt out! |
| 07:45.10 | liable | !qotd17 |
| 07:45.10 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
| 07:45.11 | black12313 | jordan grow up |
| 07:45.13 | Guerin | Jordanhatch: PEBCAK errors are expensive! |
| 07:45.32 | Bogus8 | black12313: if you are refering to me, I've been running debian on headless systems for a while and had FC3 installed before that |
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| 07:45.51 | Guerin | black12313: he might be telling the truth! |
| 07:45.52 | SJrX | Hmmmm the load averages on my Duron 900 MHz Server are 0.00 0.00 0.00. Do you think it's worth getting upgrading to a dual-quad core Xeon system? |
| 07:46.03 | Guerin | i wore a green shirt and my car wouldn't start - that's about the same in terms of causation |
| 07:46.06 | Bogus8 | I just haven't run X yet... been still using windows for my websurfing |
| 07:46.08 | Jordanhatch | I got a copy free with PC Advisor in the UK, then i put it in and my computer went off, tried to put it back on again and then it went bang and it was all burnt out |
| 07:46.12 | SJrX | What could I do with all that power? |
| 07:46.26 | Guerin | Jordanhatch: heh, sucker. |
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| 07:46.37 | Guerin | Jordanhatch: you fell for a dell marketing campaign :) |
| 07:46.39 | black12313 | oh get real |
| 07:46.42 | _5-HT | Bogus8, have you tried manually changing some settings in your xorg.conf (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad gives some explanation/examples) and restarting X to see if they take effect? |
| 07:46.47 | black12313 | that is a dell jord |
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| 07:46.49 | liable | hehe |
| 07:46.54 | black12313 | ditto |
| 07:47.01 | Bogus8 | _5-HT: I have but I ran out of simple things to try |
| 07:47.09 | Bogus8 | I'll check out that link |
| 07:47.13 | black12313 | hay liable I found the cause of my problems - re keyboard shortcuts |
| 07:47.16 | Fox_1_ | DawnLight: I want to create local repository for my country |
| 07:47.31 | black12313 | emacs was over riding other applications- i'm trying to fix it now |
| 07:47.53 | liable | yes, emacs will screw your computer |
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| 07:48.05 | black12313 | so how do i fix this ? |
| 07:48.17 | liable | remove emacs |
| 07:48.24 | black12313 | why should i do that ? |
| 07:48.25 | _5-HT | Bogus8, sorry, I'm not too versed with synaptics. As long as the driver is working properly (and SHMconfig is on for synclient, gsynaptics), changing the settings in xorg.conf *should* take effect. If not, I wouldn't know where to start troubleshooting |
| 07:48.37 | liable | to *fix* it silly |
| 07:48.50 | Bogus8 | _5-HT: no problem... I'm reading this link and I'll see what I see |
| 07:48.54 | black12313 | ah no |
| 07:49.07 | liable | you dont find vim taking over peoples computers now, do you? |
| 07:49.18 | Guerin | liable: i encourage you to cut off your fingers to prevent typos :) |
| 07:49.25 | twb | liable: wanna bet? |
| 07:49.34 | twb | liable: vim has greater penetration than most viruses |
| 07:50.02 | black12313 | i prefer nano personally |
| 07:50.17 | Guerin | black12313: all that proves is that you rarely use an editor. |
| 07:50.17 | twb | black12313: that's probably because you don't do much that requires anything harder than nano |
| 07:50.25 | Guerin | !beer twb |
| 07:50.35 | twb | (twb uses Emacs) |
| 07:50.41 | twb | 17:45 *** twb CTCP VERSION rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.1.1 |
| 07:50.55 | Guerin | but not for irc |
| 07:51.04 | twb | Guerin: because you are not fully committed |
| 07:51.06 | black12313 | gedit ?.. anyone lol |
| 07:51.16 | liable | I knew i could start and editor war in one sentence |
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| 07:51.24 | Guerin | twb: no, because the emacs irc clients are all shit |
| 07:51.39 | black12313 | i meant ffs - emacs has backspace bound to scroll up when there is perfectly good scroll key located elsewhere |
| 07:51.51 | Guerin | black12313: that's not the default. |
| 07:51.52 | twb | black12313: that's a bug in your tty |
| 07:51.54 | x3on | I have a usb thumb sized sound card in my laptop because my built in headphone jack is borked, how do i tell deb to use the usb card instead of the intel one? |
| 07:52.14 | Guerin | x3on: disable the onboard in bios, or blacklist it. |
| 07:52.46 | black12313 | oh really ? |
| 07:52.51 | black12313 | oh that's much better to know |
| 07:52.59 | black12313 | My TTY IS fecked thank you |
| 07:53.02 | twb | Guerin: can't he just tell his application to use alsa:1 instead of alsa:0? |
| 07:53.08 | x3on | is that the only way, Guerin? I blacklist it, then it defaults to the usb card? |
| 07:53.10 | Guerin | contrary to vidiot propaganda, emacs is not actually broken and shit by default |
| 07:53.19 | Guerin | it needs careful configuration to make it so |
| 07:53.20 | twb | Guerin: yes it is. |
| 07:53.30 | twb | For example, it is not lexically scoped. |
| 07:53.34 | Guerin | twb: he can, yes. |
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| 07:53.52 | Guerin | x3on: it's the simplest way. Fire and forget. |
| 07:54.03 | twb | Also, emacs uses regexps instead of grammars to parse text. |
| 07:54.17 | black12313 | ... does it do grammar checking for english ? |
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| 07:54.23 | Guerin | twb: irrelevant. |
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| 07:54.54 | black12313 | !ask reconfigure x.org |
| 07:55.01 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 07:55.02 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 07:55.51 | dutchfish | how to detect that my packages pass one a more switches to its destination in Debian? |
| 07:56.03 | liable | my fridge makes my beer cans smell funny, yet my fridge doesnt smell funny. wtf is up with that?? |
| 07:56.08 | twb | dutchfish: what do you think that means? |
| 07:56.12 | DawnLight | Fox_1_: thats great. very nice of you. i'm sure there is some documentation around... i'll try finding |
| 07:56.35 | dutchfish | twb, oops i meant how to detect that my packets pass one a more switches to its destination in Debian? |
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| 07:56.47 | twb | NFI, traceroute? |
| 07:56.50 | liable | traceroute |
| 07:56.53 | rr700ix | is is etch=testing ? |
| 07:57.01 | twb | rr700ix: no. |
| 07:57.04 | Fox_1_ | DawnLight, thank, I have found some doc http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 07:57.04 | Gm4n | etch is stable |
| 07:57.10 | DawnLight | Fox_1_: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 07:57.12 | Gm4n | rr700ix: read the topic ;) |
| 07:57.18 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 07:57.18 | x3on | /etc/modutils/alsa-base-blacklist - is that where it needs to be blacklisted |
| 07:57.27 | dutchfish | twb, if i use traceroute i dont see my switches |
| 07:57.28 | Guerin | x3on: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 07:57.38 | twb | dutchfish: oh, SWITCHES |
| 07:57.40 | DawnLight | Fox_1_: which country? |
| 07:57.44 | twb | dutchfish: still NFI, sorry. |
| 07:57.48 | Fox_1_ | DawnLight, Armenia |
| 07:57.55 | dutchfish | twb, NFI? |
| 07:57.58 | twb | !NFI |
| 07:57.59 | dpkg | hmm... nfi is No Fucking Idea |
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| 07:59.11 | dutchfish | let it put it in a better question, how to detect wich switches my network have in my route to the gateway? |
| 08:00.13 | liable | preservation and celebration of hairy nose? |
| 08:00.32 | xingu | dutchfish: trace the cables. |
| 08:01.10 | DawnLight | ask the network administrator |
| 08:01.12 | xingu | dutchfish: or ask the owner of the switches to use their vendor's proprietry layer 2 traceroute |
| 08:01.13 | dutchfish | xingu, hi xingu! i need this to be able to map out an entire network with a script in a fast pace |
| 08:01.32 | DawnLight | !dodging |
| 08:01.32 | dpkg | well, dodging is not taking people's sarcasm/bad-humour too seriously, even when they're over-doing it and being a little violent. left-brain computer people can, at times of weakness, get very cold. cheers! |
| 08:02.40 | dutchfish | xingu, i used network admin from 3com & others, but i want a linux solution for this |
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| 08:03.29 | twb | Ha! Typical bilobalist propaganda |
| 08:03.37 | dutchfish | xingu, closest so far was cheops-ng, but its still in its child-stage |
| 08:03.43 | twb | "left brain" indeed. |
| 08:03.51 | liable | is that even a word? |
| 08:04.21 | liable | unsurprisingly, no |
| 08:05.11 | Pavel | Using a Debian network installer CD, is it possible to install onto an already-formatted partition encrypted using LUKS? |
| 08:05.38 | twb | liable: what word? |
| 08:05.44 | DawnLight | i am considering having my right hemisphere amputated to improve my computer productivity |
| 08:06.02 | twb | DawnLight: how old are you? |
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| 08:06.20 | liable | twb: bilobalist |
| 08:06.23 | DawnLight | 20, why do you ask |
| 08:06.31 | twb | DawnLight: probably too late to do it safely. |
| 08:06.41 | DawnLight | oh darn |
| 08:06.46 | dutchfish | xingu, is there a layer 2 traceroute for debian? |
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| 08:06.51 | twb | DawnLight: by all means ask a physician. |
| 08:07.07 | twb | liable: do you know where the OED gets its word list from? |
| 08:07.17 | liable | no |
| 08:07.19 | twb | liable: the OED just documents existing usage. |
| 08:07.30 | twb | As soon as I use the word "bilobalist", it is a valid English word. |
| 08:07.51 | liable | so whats its definition? |
| 08:08.06 | twb | Of or relating to two (bi) lobes. |
| 08:08.21 | twb | Obviously. |
| 08:08.26 | wesley | Whenever I run a command like "sudo gwinfo" how do I get the console to stay open and not close after completion of the command? |
| 08:08.35 | liable | *oviously* |
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| 08:09.06 | liable | i thought it was a new musical instrument.. |
| 08:09.13 | twb | Actually that definition would apply to "bilobal". |
| 08:09.34 | twb | "bilobalist" connotes an entity or agency or agenda |
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| 08:16.23 | mike | anyone else had problems with intel sound ,,toshiba A200? |
| 08:17.06 | Guerin | !snd_intel_hda |
| 08:17.10 | Guerin | stupid intel sound |
| 08:17.24 | liable | huh? |
| 08:17.32 | liable | why is intel sound stupid? |
| 08:17.32 | DawnLight | intel sound has had some problems for my friend with his ibm thinkpad something. check linux-laptop.org or something |
| 08:17.49 | Guerin | the snd_intel_hda driver was onyl recently merged into linux |
| 08:17.54 | Guerin | or something |
| 08:18.14 | liable | i have had this box using it for nearly a year |
| 08:18.22 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 08:18.34 | liable | though its ich7 i think, not 8 |
| 08:18.44 | mike | Guerin: kmix is up but still nothing |
| 08:18.48 | liable | yeah, ich7 |
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| 08:19.45 | mike | DawnLight: cheers |
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| 08:20.28 | groton | hello all. What would you reccomend to automount a usb key or an usb external hd? Autofs? |
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| 08:24.01 | DawnLight | groton: kde and gnome do that |
| 08:24.14 | groton | DawnLight, how? Which program? |
| 08:24.21 | twb | DawnLight: technically, they don't. |
| 08:24.33 | itchi | snd_intel_hda works fine here |
| 08:24.37 | twb | groton: older GNOME releases used pmount; this has just been phased out. |
| 08:25.08 | DawnLight | i don't know. when i stick in the stick, they tell me about it |
| 08:25.15 | DawnLight | and mount it |
| 08:25.19 | DawnLight | i mean kde |
| 08:25.19 | twb | DawnLight: oh, that |
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| 08:26.02 | lectures4ever | Package libapache2-mod-php5 is not configured yet. |
| 08:26.09 | lectures4ever | i can't install php5 |
| 08:26.23 | lectures4ever | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of php5: |
| 08:26.55 | liable | lectures4ever: did you delete shit in /usr/share for php as well? |
| 08:26.59 | lectures4ever | trying libapache-mod-5 instead of |
| 08:27.07 | lectures4ever | liable: yes |
| 08:27.14 | liable | lectures4ever: BECAUSE THE FILE ITS WHINING ABOUT IT OWNED BY PHP5-COMMON |
| 08:27.22 | liable | lectures4ever: STOP FUCKING DELETING SHIT |
| 08:27.25 | liable | oop |
| 08:27.27 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 08:27.30 | liable | sorry for caps |
| 08:27.32 | lectures4ever | it was a mistake |
| 08:27.41 | lectures4ever | they rm'd by mistake |
| 08:27.53 | twb | Sigh |
| 08:27.54 | lectures4ever | someone basically my brother came and removed them |
| 08:27.59 | lectures4ever | thinking he'll give me a clean slate |
| 08:28.09 | lectures4ever | he gave me a clean slate all right |
| 08:28.11 | twb | This is why you don't leave root consoles open |
| 08:28.16 | liable | lectures4ever: just reinstall php5-common |
| 08:28.20 | lectures4ever | he was my brother |
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| 08:28.22 | DawnLight | you just don't |
| 08:28.22 | liable | then php5 |
| 08:28.23 | lectures4ever | ok thank you |
| 08:28.27 | lectures4ever | thank you very much |
| 08:28.33 | twb | aptitude reinstall foo |
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| 08:29.02 | liable | lectures4ever: older or youmger brother? |
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| 08:29.46 | liable | who has smart fingers they want to sell me? |
| 08:29.48 | twb | It's not hard to get root when you have physical access, normally, but that's not the point. |
| 08:30.19 | liable | twb: if you go around deleting shit at random, it prolly is hard, even with local access |
| 08:30.36 | twb | Not random, arbitrary :-) |
| 08:30.47 | liable | may as well be random |
| 08:30.49 | DawnLight | !random |
| 08:30.52 | AKX | Random number (1-100): 41 |
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| 08:33.11 | twb | Hehe, it's been so long since I've used removable media I had to think about how to mount a cdrom without root |
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| 08:33.33 | lectures4ever | older brother |
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| 08:33.52 | liable | lectures4ever: is he bigger than you? |
| 08:33.56 | lectures4ever | lol no |
| 08:34.05 | lectures4ever | same size :)) |
| 08:34.09 | liable | beat the shit out of him then |
| 08:34.15 | lectures4ever | i'm planning on it |
| 08:34.17 | lectures4ever | :) |
| 08:34.47 | liable | then tell your mother you think hes gay |
| 08:34.55 | simonrvn | then kick his ass again ;p |
| 08:35.14 | lectures4ever | lol |
| 08:35.18 | twb | Percussive training |
| 08:35.23 | somiaj | slight problem, trying to compile a mach64 driver and its looking for a file linux/config.h, that use to be in the old linux-kernel-headers package and the linux-headers-2.6.18, but in the 2.6.22 kernel and the replacement for the linux-kernel-headers the linux/config.h file is no where to be found, any suggestions? |
| 08:35.25 | lectures4ever | well php5-common reinstall does it |
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| 08:35.33 | lectures4ever | simonrvn, liable: thank you so very much |
| 08:35.39 | twb | Adjusting luser attitudes since 1947! |
| 08:35.47 | simonrvn | well that was mis-timed, but whatever |
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| 08:35.53 | lectures4ever | i'll set up a special server and come back here give ya credentials to access all my movies/comics/music |
| 08:36.41 | lectures4ever | but now i need to restore my db's |
| 08:36.43 | simonrvn | lectures4ever: well, i lost patience with you. now i see that it wasn't even your fault, in a way (yes, *do not* leave root consoles open ;) |
| 08:36.46 | lectures4ever | see you |
| 08:36.49 | twb | GPU vendors suck |
| 08:36.53 | lectures4ever | ok |
| 08:36.56 | lectures4ever | i hear you on that |
| 08:37.02 | lectures4ever | sorry about my tirade earlier |
| 08:37.03 | twb | Join with me now in sending waves of bad karma their way |
| 08:37.03 | simonrvn | tc |
| 08:37.08 | lectures4ever | thank you again muchly |
| 08:37.08 | lectures4ever | bye |
| 08:37.27 | DawnLight | twb: karma happens without our help |
| 08:37.39 | simonrvn | life happens |
| 08:37.52 | twb | vibes, then |
| 08:37.53 | liable | and its mostly my fault |
| 08:38.17 | twb | liable: woman in ever port, eh? |
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| 08:39.38 | liable | twb: i almost get it, but not quite |
| 08:39.51 | simonrvn | s,ever,every, |
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| 08:40.10 | twb | Oopsie. |
| 08:40.27 | twb | This keyboard is stronger than I'm used to. |
| 08:41.08 | simonrvn | what do they break after a while for you? |
| 08:41.10 | liable | twb: the force is strong in that one? |
| 08:41.27 | twb | Indeed. |
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| 08:42.11 | black12314 | !ask reconfigure xorg (sorry to bother you again..) |
| 08:42.31 | simonrvn | !drxx black12314 |
| 08:42.31 | dpkg | black12314: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 08:42.36 | liable | black12314: dont be sorry, just learn how to use the bot |
| 08:42.52 | liable | black12314: if you want to ask it, do /msg dpkg foo |
| 08:42.54 | twb | black12314: you can use /msg |
| 08:42.59 | black12314 | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 08:43.17 | black12314 | fun fun ? |
| 08:43.20 | simonrvn | black12314: something is using it |
| 08:43.23 | liable | so kill that process |
| 08:43.25 | black12314 | yeah i know that |
| 08:43.53 | black12314 | whiptail... |
| 08:43.56 | black12314 | but it will not kill |
| 08:44.22 | black12314 | nevermind |
| 08:45.00 | black12314 | oh should i use the frame buffer btw - for my ati card (using the ati driver) |
| 08:45.03 | black12314 | - oss driver |
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| 08:45.47 | twb | On my Radeon 9000, using the ati driver, I have to use the framebuffer option *only* when I've inserted the radeonfb kernel module. |
| 08:46.09 | twb | That's the UseFBDev option. |
| 08:46.09 | simonrvn | well fb is framebuffer ;) |
| 08:46.27 | twb | Yes, but I mean that if I turn on one without the other, the entire system hangs |
| 08:46.41 | black12314 | what do you mean hangs ? |
| 08:46.51 | twb | I mean I have to reboot it from the front panel |
| 08:46.55 | simonrvn | machine locks up entirely |
| 08:47.05 | twb | Akin to a kernel panic |
| 08:47.19 | simonrvn | twb: have magic sysreq enabled? |
| 08:47.36 | twb | simonrvn: I don't remember, and that host is offline atm and at another site |
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| 08:47.45 | simonrvn | oh prolly not |
| 08:48.01 | twb | Fucking .au network infrastructure |
| 08:48.17 | twb | Two-day outage, still going |
| 08:48.18 | liable | love the telstra |
| 08:48.20 | simonrvn | "network" |
| 08:48.35 | twb | I had to come into the office to check my mail |
| 08:48.36 | liable | simonrvn: nah, its the infrastructure |
| 08:48.50 | liable | but dont get me started on that |
| 08:49.01 | black12314 | LOL your with telstra ? |
| 08:49.02 | simonrvn | i know the story anyway ;) |
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| 08:49.28 | twb | I wish they'd get their shit together instead of trying to hold the country back in order to milk more cash out of companies and individuals |
| 08:49.29 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:49.47 | simonrvn | (laughing at black leaving via a closed connection ;) |
| 08:49.51 | liable | twb: the rpobelm is, for them, thats what they have to do. |
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| 08:50.04 | Mithsir | Hi! I can't seem to find a kernel driver for BT865 (on my dxr3 card) in debian etch... Has it been removed? |
| 08:50.10 | liable | simonrvn: indeed, i giggled myself when that happened ;) |
| 08:50.14 | twb | I mean, yes, OK, I can accept that trying to wire up country areas is a lot more expensive than in .us or .jp, what with the bigger distances, but I'm in the second biggest city |
| 08:50.30 | black12314 | eh ? |
| 08:50.35 | black12314 | no sydney is not that bad man |
| 08:50.44 | black12314 | the rest of nsw / australia ... is not .. |
| 08:50.45 | twb | sydney is the biggest. |
| 08:50.52 | black12314 | wtf my system just beeped for no reason |
| 08:51.03 | twb | black12314: it wants its tummy rubbed |
| 08:51.16 | simonrvn | twb: same thing in canuckia, they wire up between the cities, and pretty much leave the bush areas (there's *BIG* bush areas) on dialup |
| 08:51.48 | obnauticus | , |
| 08:51.50 | obnauticus | damnit |
| 08:52.01 | twb | simonrvn: my point was I'm IN a big city and my connection is still one tenth the speed and quality of .us or .jp |
| 08:52.10 | black12314 | ok twb what are you on ? adsl2 ? |
| 08:52.13 | twb | No. |
| 08:52.14 | simonrvn | twb: oh i know |
| 08:52.20 | black12314 | OH lol |
| 08:52.21 | twb | They're only just laying DSL2 now |
| 08:52.23 | xingu | twb: could be worse, could be nz telecom |
| 08:52.28 | black12314 | where are you twb ? |
| 08:52.29 | twb | xingu: I guess |
| 08:52.34 | twb | black12314: .melb.vic.au |
| 08:52.52 | black12314 | k |
| 08:52.59 | black12314 | wtf gai mis using 100% cpu ? |
| 08:53.08 | twb | mis? |
| 08:53.14 | simonrvn | gaim is |
| 08:53.20 | black12314 | yeah - typo |
| 08:53.22 | twb | Oh |
| 08:53.59 | dimsuz | so nvidia & fglrx are not working in lenny atm? :) |
| 08:54.00 | black12314 | ... wow |
| 08:54.14 | twb | dimsuz: who cares? They are evil. |
| 08:54.24 | black12314 | ah brb |
| 08:55.01 | dimsuz | twb: oh well. do you think that's the answer I wanted to get? ;-) I can say such things to myself - no need to ask about them in irc ;) |
| 08:55.44 | dimsuz | twb: if I ask this you probably can conclude that *I* care, no? Why would i ask if i didn't care? |
| 08:55.58 | dimsuz | ok. :) just making fun :) |
| 08:56.23 | twb | dimsuz: because then you can be smug and ornery |
| 08:56.33 | twb | I go into #python not expecting straight answers all the time |
| 08:56.52 | twb | "Where is the macrosyntactic programmability?" |
| 08:57.19 | dimsuz | twb: uhhm. what's "smug" and "ornery" i'm not a native speaker :) this is something to offend me? or to make me laugh? :) |
| 08:57.19 | twb | "Why are lambda lists crippled in lambda?" |
| 08:57.27 | twb | dimsuz: the latter. |
| 08:57.32 | dimsuz | ah |
| 08:57.32 | liable | meh, go to #c if you want answers to anything other than c |
| 08:57.33 | dimsuz | :) |
| 08:57.43 | dimsuz | :) |
| 08:57.46 | twb | "Ornery" means grumpy |
| 08:58.09 | twb | Like for example your grandad trying to learn email |
| 08:58.23 | dimsuz | twb: heh :). grumpy is more clean - as I seem to recall that I once knew what it meens, but I don't atm :) |
| 08:58.28 | dimsuz | ah |
| 08:58.33 | simonrvn | "fuck this new-fangled computer thing" |
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| 08:59.09 | xingu | "drink? feck!" |
| 08:59.13 | twb | email takes all the EMOTION out of your letter! |
| 08:59.26 | simonrvn | BTW, it's incubus, not mancubus... |
| 08:59.38 | twb | You can't cry over it or put a lipstick kiss on an email |
| 08:59.50 | simonrvn | only as an attachment |
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| 08:59.56 | dimsuz | so perhaps anyone just answers "yes" or "no"? should I try to update fglrx with what "/dpkg msg fglrx one-liner" tells me? :) |
| 08:59.57 | twb | Sssh. |
| 08:59.57 | Pavel | I want to install Debian over an existing Ubuntu installation (essentially overwriting everything but /home and some of /etc). The catch is that the installation is on an LUKS-encrypted partition, and I don't see a way to mount it in the 4.0 installer. So, it has to be done either from within the Ubuntu installation or from a LiveCD. What should I do? |
| 09:00.02 | xingu | twb: you can however attach a virus that loves you |
| 09:00.07 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: *yawn* mornin' |
| 09:00.09 | liable | Pavel: yeah, i get the pont. |
| 09:00.11 | simonrvn | twb: hehe |
| 09:00.13 | liable | oops |
| 09:00.19 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: is it? :P |
| 09:00.39 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: in a dark, non light sorta way ya ;) |
| 09:00.40 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: g'moaning |
| 09:00.43 | xingu | simonrvn: usually, somewhere |
| 09:01.04 | simonrvn | "meeeeh, gimmee coffeeee nooooow" |
| 09:01.26 | simonrvn | "braaaaaiiinsszzzz^wcoooooffeeeee!" |
| 09:01.30 | chlue | Hello /var/cache/apt/archives takes 30% of my 10GB Harddisk (its even bigger than /usr). I know how to remove the cache, but I could not find information of the purpose of this Cache. Will I need this cache to update/remove existing packages, or is the only reason for this cache personal backup and a faster way to reinstall packets (in which case I see no reason not to flush him )? |
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| 09:01.47 | simonrvn | chlue: apt-get clean |
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| 09:01.56 | Pavel | chlue: AFAIK, the latter. |
| 09:02.00 | MangosDebian | xingu: heya. no reply yet btw. but i did get another martian on 192.168 (only cause that address in use this time) since. and the next day, ma bell ended up disconnecting my dsl and resetting my connection about 40 or 50 times the next day. must be testin somethin |
| 09:02.10 | twb | simonrvn: who are you and what have you done with fledermaus |
| 09:02.12 | Pavel | chlue: Never caused any problems when I did it. |
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| 09:02.22 | xingu | MangosDebian: interesting |
| 09:02.37 | chlue | Pavel: ok, Bye Bye Cache content. |
| 09:02.40 | simonrvn | chlue: you could do autoclean to clear out old stuff |
| 09:02.53 | simonrvn | twb: floated away |
| 09:03.02 | Pavel | liable: OK. Any ideas? |
| 09:03.16 | simonrvn | chlue: man apt-get |
| 09:03.17 | MangosDebian | xingu: started about 9am'ish yesterday actually. kept getting lcp echo issues and dropped connections for like 5 or 6 hours. then it just stopped all of a sudden |
| 09:03.32 | liable | Pavel: to which |
| 09:03.44 | simonrvn | goddamn martians even invade our tcp/ip laneways |
| 09:03.53 | MangosDebian | lulz |
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| 09:04.07 | liable | Pavel: i have no idea about your problem, sorry |
| 09:04.08 | xingu | MangosDebian: sounds like surgery on the far end to me |
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| 09:05.11 | simonrvn | my cat is such a suck |
| 09:05.24 | MangosDebian | xingu: same. they better not give me no "oh, it must be your linux" crap either since it coiincidently worked fine in linux til the day after I told them of my setup |
| 09:05.26 | simonrvn | er, "my" =) |
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| 09:05.57 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: they always do that. the linux boxen work better than their effing network |
| 09:06.00 | Pavel | One option is to replace /etc/apt with those from a Debian installation, cross my fingers, and dist-upgrade. However, it sounds like a great way to screw up the system, or, worse yet, open security holes. |
| 09:06.52 | MangosDebian | hey, there a way to specifiy with dhclient3 or variants which leases to accept? cant seem to see option to restrict my dsl to its current ip/mask. don't think an isp should have the right to pick a lease in attempt to hack me network at will |
| 09:06.56 | Pavel | debootstrap also sounds promising. |
| 09:06.59 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: i'd call their "tech" support, and almost invariably i was talking over their heads. pitiful. |
| 09:07.35 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: id your dhcpd as authoritative on your lan |
| 09:07.54 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: oh, client |
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| 09:08.05 | chlue | simonrvn: ok, thanks autoclean deleted the obsolete 50% of the cache-content. I tried it with aptitude once, but maybee because I wasn't root it did nothing,... |
| 09:08.05 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: actually, the techie i gabbed to oither week, was like "well, you definetly sound like you know what your talking about. ive only done this for like 1.5 years and your talking about stuff beyond me...". I wasnt very impressed heh. but he was the nicest guy i spoke with by far |
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| 09:09.01 | Fox_1_ | people rsync write "ssh: http: Name or service not known" whats that mean? |
| 09:09.16 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: ya, client. seems like a flaw. i don't trust my isp when it comes to being able to pick subnets and ip's at random. and dhclient3 only seems to be able to specify what ip's of dhcpd's not to talk to rather than what subnets to accept for leases |
| 09:09.27 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: oh wow. nice surprise. usually they go "oh you running linux? well we don't support that. i know, i'm not looking for support, i wanna know what's going on with the network. i support myself, TYVM." is how the phone calls usually went |
| 09:10.25 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: oh fsck, dont get me started on policy at isp's. originally i tried IE7 activex help thingy from bell. Soon as I said the word "switch" I got a RST packet from their help desk in B.C. |
| 09:10.26 | twb | simonrvn: I usually say "ok, pretend I'm running Windows XP and I'll translate your script for myself" |
| 09:10.36 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: FUBAR /etc/services |
| 09:10.53 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: i tried call back on it 3 more times, each time a diff person and they just dropped the connection every single time soon as they asked for the account id |
| 09:10.55 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: fuck |
| 09:11.05 | simonrvn | twb: hehe |
| 09:11.16 | twb | Let's be realistic. |
| 09:11.18 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: WTH? |
| 09:11.27 | twb | I've done helpdesk work before, and 90% of it is one of three problems |
| 09:11.40 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: tell me about it, i even said stuff like "there could be a potentially serious secruity/firewall issue with yout network", after that they pretty much just hung up on me |
| 09:11.51 | twb | e.g. "my proxy settings are wrong", "my domain settings are wrong", "my MUA settings are wrong" |
| 09:12.27 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: they never like it when you tell them they might have a security issue. my previous ISP had an old cert on their *billing HTTPS site... it was like a year old or something |
| 09:12.28 | twb | (That's for an internal corporate helpdesk, not an ISP helpdesk) |
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| 09:12.51 | simonrvn | they still probably haven't updated the fucking thing |
| 09:12.53 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: and on the phone, i got the one kid to pretty well get attn to the matter for me fine, until they forwarded me to some french commcerial account guy or eventually became the steroetypical "ya, thats nice, btw have you read about our new web help at blah blah blah" speil |
| 09:13.09 | simonrvn | g^*&^%()*%&I^% |
| 09:13.17 | simonrvn | ^^^ me swearing |
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| 09:13.38 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: well, no, the one kid that actually spent 20 minutes and was trusting the seriousness of it was understanding, just the french guy was like "*yawn* whatever" attitude |
| 09:13.45 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: not suprised they've been listed at BBB countless times... |
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| 09:14.08 | twb | I have high hopes for internode |
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| 09:14.11 | liable | Arafangion: heh |
| 09:14.12 | simonrvn | Arafangion: the parens threw you off? :P |
| 09:14.38 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: heh, well its bbb or a lawyer :) i'd like to see them explain how a rfc1918 ip infected my machine and got past my firewalls since nobody but my isp should be sending those packets |
| 09:14.43 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Actually, I thought that was a regexp at first, due to the g^. ;) |
| 09:14.54 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 09:15.00 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn, why rsync need that? |
| 09:15.16 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn, I just want to download debian repository |
| 09:15.25 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: holy crap... this is why i block that shit from anything not belonging there |
| 09:15.38 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: and whats worse, my router is completely pwnable via those ip's when you match an internal subnet. all this time i was wondering where those ip's were coming from. now I know, SMC can't code a firewall to save a life |
| 09:15.53 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: because it's requesting a connection to that remote port? o_O |
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| 09:16.32 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: it wasnt until I actually setup the linux as the dmz that i noticed the ip's getting caught on the way back up and dropped by the firewall as an invalid ip. but the router still let everything into my internal network. |
| 09:16.38 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: ah. /me linux router =) |
| 09:16.49 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 09:16.58 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 09:17.06 | AngusRF | From which package do I get the section 2 manpages for things like connect(), send(), bind() and so on? |
| 09:17.11 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: actually, linux has been the best router ive seen after you disable icmp redirects and other garbage |
| 09:17.14 | simonrvn | manpages-dev |
| 09:17.22 | AngusRF | ty |
| 09:17.26 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn, remote host has that port. be cause I can open it in my browser |
| 09:17.27 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: *bsd too |
| 09:17.44 | MangosDebian | well, props to the bsd guys, but i know linux. i use linux. |
| 09:18.02 | twb | You mean GNU/Linux? |
| 09:18.05 | MangosDebian | aye |
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| 09:18.21 | xingu | pah |
| 09:18.21 | MangosDebian | heaven forbid I get ganked by the purists :) |
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| 09:18.38 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: th browser is probably requesting it via number, or has its own, or the error message wasn't enough to diagnose the problem correctly (hint hint) |
| 09:18.52 | simonrvn | ganked? |
| 09:19.03 | MangosDebian | wow term :) |
| 09:19.03 | twb | simonrvn: you've never seen a ganking? |
| 09:19.09 | MangosDebian | mobbed, lynched etc |
| 09:19.10 | xingu | linux with the actual /routing/ bit of routing pushed out an asic on the far end of an IB link might be interesting |
| 09:19.17 | MangosDebian | camped even |
| 09:19.17 | xingu | I don't think anyone's doing that though. |
| 09:19.18 | twb | It's like bukakke, but with words |
| 09:19.19 | Fox_1_ | ssh: http: Name or service not known |
| 09:19.19 | Fox_1_ | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 09:19.19 | Fox_1_ | rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(453) [receiver=2.6.9] |
| 09:19.29 | simonrvn | i don't play wow |
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| 09:19.43 | twb | ganking predates wow |
| 09:19.50 | twb | I don't even know what wow looks like |
| 09:19.51 | TylerJGillies | is there a way to add a WLAN driver to the net installer? |
| 09:19.53 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 09:19.54 | MangosDebian | twb: i suspected so |
| 09:19.58 | simonrvn | but thanks |
| 09:20.17 | twb | It's not in 1918 Merriam Webster, tho |
| 09:20.24 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn, ? |
| 09:20.38 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: usually the term they use in wow when someone kills you with 20 buddies and waits for you to res and camp your body all day and the graveyard to make your life miserable |
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| 09:21.03 | MangosDebian | twb: 1918 m-w? lol, how ironic |
| 09:21.06 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: actually looks like it can't find the host |
| 09:21.18 | twb | MangosDebian: hmm? |
| 09:21.35 | MangosDebian | twb: oh, just funny with all my rfc1918 issues with bell |
| 09:21.42 | simonrvn | rsync's error messages suck, btw |
| 09:21.55 | MangosDebian | mrtg sucks btw |
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| 09:22.03 | simonrvn | i rrdtool ;p |
| 09:22.06 | simonrvn | use* |
| 09:22.08 | xingu | hmm, some of these gpu's have short enough cycle times to be interesting in a routing sense I guess |
| 09:22.19 | MangosDebian | i put my machine to sleep and the stupid thing uses the last packet value from snmp to update the graph |
| 09:22.25 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn, but it open via lynx |
| 09:22.29 | xingu | msi-x, peripheral to peripheral dma, it could work. |
| 09:22.51 | simonrvn | .:05:21:42:. < simonrvn> rsync's error messages suck, btw |
| 09:23.19 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: my machine was S3 for about 8 hours other day, and it mrtg shows the same 300k/s incoming traffic for the whole period :( |
| 09:23.25 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: is there a debug or verbose options? use it, see what happens. and don't paste here |
| 09:23.40 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: bah |
| 09:23.44 | xingu | MangosDebian: cricket. |
| 09:24.17 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: it also sucks when you have a crash, and have to do stupid things to get it to graph again... |
| 09:24.21 | simonrvn | cricket sucks |
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| 09:24.37 | xingu | it sucks less that mrtg |
| 09:24.41 | xingu | s/that/than/ |
| 09:24.46 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: havent had to deal with that yet unfortunatly |
| 09:24.54 | simonrvn | they all suck to varying degrees |
| 09:25.16 | xingu | compared to infovista essentials, yes. ;) |
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| 09:25.26 | MangosDebian | infovista? |
| 09:25.28 | simonrvn | to what? |
| 09:25.54 | xingu | there, that sorted the men out from the boys |
| 09:26.01 | xingu | giyf. |
| 09:26.09 | simonrvn | come say that to my face ;) |
| 09:27.22 | MangosDebian | :) |
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| 09:28.07 | simonrvn | oh eew, winblows app |
| 09:28.23 | MangosDebian | heh duh, it had vista in the name, what you figure? |
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| 09:28.42 | simonrvn | ah no, just one of the "admin" "packages" |
| 09:28.49 | simonrvn | .:: Harbrook - Training Courses - Specialised - Cisco Storage ... |
| 09:28.50 | simonrvn | All, Cisco Specialist, Cisco Public, Infovista. Location. All. Calender. Keyword. Harbrook. Cisco Storage Network Design |
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| 09:29.38 | xingu | infovista uses objectstore under the bonnet and takes a pretty innovative approach to collection; you design the report, and it works out what needs collecting and how often and with what retention from it. |
| 09:29.42 | TylerJGillies | anyone know where i can find a net installer that supports rt61 chipset? |
| 09:29.58 | xingu | and it might run on windows, but it definitely runs on solaris |
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| 09:30.35 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:30.36 | antgel | xingu: thats /so/ enterprise |
| 09:30.42 | xingu | it has its limits too, it's pretty crap for sub-second measurement due to internal design constraints, but for the usual pretty printing that people want for billing purposes it's quality stuff. |
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| 09:30.56 | xingu | antgel: it doesn't come with photon torpedos, so not in my books |
| 09:31.05 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 09:31.39 | simonrvn | the link text i pasted has "calender" ... |
| 09:31.44 | simonrvn | lame |
| 09:32.20 | xingu | the foss network management world is so far behind the curve its embarrassing frankly |
| 09:32.38 | xingu | one of these days I'll write a decent stack in mono or something just to prove it can be done. |
| 09:32.42 | simonrvn | xingu: it's also new |
| 09:32.46 | xingu | new? |
| 09:32.49 | xingu | oh dear. |
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| 09:32.55 | simonrvn | for FOSS? yes |
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| 09:33.20 | xingu | simonrvn: infovista is younger than mrtg |
| 09:33.41 | simonrvn | mrtg also doesn't have enterprise level funding ;) |
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| 09:33.50 | MangosDebian | actually, mrtg is very capable. just you have to hand write all the "pretty" yourself |
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| 09:34.02 | MangosDebian | well, to the limit of snmp |
| 09:34.07 | simonrvn | i bet mrtg is more flexible |
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| 09:34.19 | xingu | MangosDebian: mrtg has a scalability problem designed right in - the PoS updates the graphs during collection, I mean... wtf? |
| 09:34.38 | simonrvn | hence rrdtool |
| 09:34.45 | xingu | yay, finally. :) |
| 09:34.49 | MangosDebian | xingu: didnt notice |
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| 09:35.07 | xingu | MangosDebian: scale it sideways for a few thousand interfaces, you will. |
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| 09:36.04 | MangosDebian | xingu: try multiple instances and cfg's yet? |
| 09:36.29 | xingu | the best that the foss world is doing in network management are the various ${propeller_head_favourite_language} bits of proprietry glue that never see the light of day outside a given working group |
| 09:36.33 | MangosDebian | even nagios knows enough to spread out the requests |
| 09:36.34 | simonrvn | i'm fairly sure he's tried that, and having them preforked |
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| 09:36.59 | xingu | MangosDebian: there's not much I haven't tried; mrtg is very trying. :) |
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| 09:37.32 | MangosDebian | feel free to submit patches :p |
| 09:37.45 | xingu | the best collectors I've seen written around foss glue are typically perl and typically bespoke foo to bar sensors; poll foo for logic state bar and raise notification zot |
| 09:38.13 | xingu | MangosDebian: if they were using git I'd submit one that did rm -rf /; tar xjf cricket |
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| 09:38.30 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 09:38.47 | MangosDebian | subversion isnt that bad |
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| 09:39.25 | xingu | and yeah, poll staggering is a problem; in fact last time I looked at the cricket collector it was creating a shiny new socket fd for each poll. |
| 09:39.27 | xingu | how... retro. |
| 09:39.42 | antgel | moan whinge bitch etc |
| 09:39.50 | MangosDebian | heh |
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| 09:42.19 | peterS | hey. pull my shiny new socket fd. |
| 09:42.25 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 09:43.24 | simonrvn | wow, my rddtool shit still works. i haven't looked at it since april... |
| 09:43.39 | xingu | it's solid like that |
| 09:43.42 | peterS | nice when something _doesn't_ break just because you've left it alone for awhile (: |
| 09:43.48 | MangosDebian | at least your on top of your system |
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| 09:44.33 | simonrvn | having mrtg forked and daemonised helps ;) |
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| 09:46.05 | xingu | rrdtool users tend to get a bit grumpy with large datasets - there's a tier missing in the design (correlation/ aggregation engine); but it's solid enough, don't get me wrong |
| 09:46.15 | twb | Things only work when you look at them |
| 09:46.41 | twb | I have an intricate set of mirrors in my server room to facilitate this state of affairs |
| 09:46.42 | xingu | as a baseline of core function, it's good stuff, really. |
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| 09:47.00 | qiyong | btw, can I change the IP of a ns.domain.com ? is it safe? or have I had to contact my registra? |
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| 09:47.12 | xingu | qiyong: redelegate at the registrar. |
| 09:47.43 | xingu | qiyong: if the registrar is now hostile, get your new registrar to initiate a transfer. |
| 09:47.50 | qiyong | xingu, so local change will not work |
| 09:47.50 | MangosDebian | point domain.com at me and ill fix you right up :) |
| 09:48.35 | xingu | qiyong: correct; local change will not update the glue loaded into the top level domain's zone data. |
| 09:48.47 | qiyong | xingu, say, i have ns.domain.com ptr to IP A, now, i want to change to IP B |
| 09:48.51 | xingu | qiyong: that's a ~static export from the registrar's records. |
| 09:49.12 | simonrvn | xingu, MangosDebian: kisikew.org/mrtg/ (http or https, your pick, self-signed cert) |
| 09:49.23 | qiyong | xingu, how can I look the top level domain info about my ns1.domain.com |
| 09:49.33 | MangosDebian | qiyong: whats the NS for domain.com? your linux box or it all hosted by the registrar as well? |
| 09:49.37 | qiyong | MangosDebian, tell me more? |
| 09:49.50 | xingu | qiyong: be careful with your terminology; "ptr" means something in dns-speak; you're changing the rrdata for your zone's ns record and this is seeded from the registrar's whois data. |
| 09:49.58 | xingu | qiyong: "whois ns.domain.dom" usually works. |
| 09:50.06 | MangosDebian | qiyong: well, if you dont know that then i aint gettin involved sorry. dns tutorials are plentiful on the net |
| 09:50.14 | qiyong | MangosDebian, ns.domain.com is on my own host |
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| 09:51.00 | xingu | simonrvn: forbidden |
| 09:51.14 | simonrvn | xingu: ah i must've locked it up |
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| 09:51.40 | MangosDebian | qiyong: well, if ns is setup as your domains official ns then you gotta update the registrar record to affect that change |
| 09:51.40 | simonrvn | ah yes, i did |
| 09:51.52 | MangosDebian | qiyong: otherwise its all up to you on your bind |
| 09:51.54 | simonrvn | Deny from all ; allow from .... |
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| 09:52.17 | qiyong | MangosDebian, i see, thanks |
| 09:52.37 | xingu | qiyong: what does whois domain.com report? |
| 09:52.47 | TylerJGillies | is it possible to install debian from harddrive? |
| 09:52.51 | MangosDebian | qiyong: whois domain.com, if ns.domain.com is one of the ns's, then you gotta use the regi |
| 09:53.06 | qiyong | MangosDebian, so on the top level domain zone, it records the IP of my ns server, not ns.mydomain.com? |
| 09:53.28 | xingu | hoorah, now he's getting it |
| 09:53.29 | MangosDebian | qiyong: somethin like that |
| 09:53.35 | qiyong | xingu, whois domain.com reports dns1.domain.com and dns2.domain.com, not any IPs |
| 09:53.45 | simonrvn | xingu: sowwy i forgot about that =) |
| 09:53.48 | liable | TylerJGillies: from a linux install? |
| 09:54.01 | liable | or windows? |
| 09:54.02 | qiyong | MangosDebian, thanks, i get it |
| 09:54.09 | TylerJGillies | liable: from windows, if i use grub for NT |
| 09:54.22 | xingu | simonrvn: np; I think I'm just about bored enough to set up cricket on my gateway again. :) it's been a while. |
| 09:54.48 | liable | TylerJGillies: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 09:55.04 | liable | !debian.exe |
| 09:55.05 | dpkg | well, debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 09:55.09 | liable | TylerJGillies: ^^ |
| 09:55.17 | TylerJGillies | liable: my dilema is that i don't have a CD and i can't find a installer kernel that supports my WLAN chipset (rt61) |
| 09:55.57 | liable | TylerJGillies: if wireless is your only net device, you are in for a hard time |
| 09:56.08 | TylerJGillies | the netboot kernel doesn't support rt61 |
| 09:56.20 | liable | its not in any linux kernel |
| 09:56.27 | liable | you need to compile it |
| 09:56.41 | TylerJGillies | i have colinux |
| 09:56.49 | TylerJGillies | i guess i can use that to compile a kernel |
| 09:56.50 | antgel | http://www.mithril-linux.org/~henrich/osc/IMG_0134.JPG |
| 09:57.49 | liable | all hail teh debian! |
| 09:57.55 | TylerJGillies | can anyone give me some resources on howto compile a kernel with a specific driver? |
| 09:57.56 | MangosDebian | amen |
| 09:58.23 | antgel | TylerJGillies: have you searched the world-wide web? |
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| 09:58.32 | liable | antgel: which of those is you? |
| 09:58.35 | MangosDebian | antgel: what the fsck is that?! |
| 09:58.42 | TylerJGillies | antgel: thats yes, im not sure what query to use |
| 09:59.05 | SEpda | Big question on an old machine which is the fastest VM , I don't care how stable it is or what ever just want speed VMs like Bochs qemu vmware virtualbox kvm xen (though I want to run some form of windows eventualy) ETC ??? |
| 09:59.11 | antgel | TylerJGillies: what queries have you tried? how about "compile linux kernel debian"? |
| 09:59.38 | antgel | that photo with the jap guys was linked to from http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 09:59.56 | SEpda | I notice debain has suport for a lot of achritectures to which is good |
| 10:00.11 | SEpda | for VM that can be ported anyway |
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| 10:00.13 | TylerJGillies | antgel:i can compile a kernel, i was wondering how to compile to ensure that i include rt61 chipset support |
| 10:00.26 | SEpda | but x86 is fine |
| 10:00.29 | SEpda | just speed |
| 10:00.53 | SEpda | i want a fast VM |
| 10:00.59 | antgel | TylerJGillies: maybe you should include rt61 in your query |
| 10:01.12 | SEpda | mabye one thats is run closely with the kernel? |
| 10:02.54 | MangosDebian | antgel: lol, nice pic. HAIL DEBIAN! |
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| 10:08.06 | simonrvn | antgel: yeh nice pic =) |
| 10:08.18 | simonrvn | tis t3h funn4y |
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| 10:09.41 | xingu | someone needs to animate that |
| 10:10.24 | simonrvn | looks like it was taken at a conference or something |
| 10:10.24 | MangosDebian | overlay a swatika on the debian logo and your set |
| 10:10.32 | MangosDebian | swastika or whatever |
| 10:11.03 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 10:11.40 | xingu | simonrvn: hmm, perl needs cpan stuff, and I'm not quite bored enough to bootstrap perl again, it's my weekend dammit. :) |
| 10:11.49 | xingu | err, /cricket/ needs cpan stuff. |
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| 10:14.38 | simonrvn | you aren't on a debian box, apparently ;) |
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| 10:14.54 | xingu | !cookie simonrvn |
| 10:14.55 | dpkg | Hey xingu, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! dkr=2007-02-15 Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home, or stew |
| 10:14.55 | dpkg | 1-15 |
| 10:15.06 | xingu | well that was unexpected. |
| 10:15.26 | MangosDebian | heh, sid release date pool? |
| 10:15.32 | liable | etch |
| 10:15.36 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 10:15.37 | MangosDebian | ahh sry |
| 10:15.38 | streuner_ | MangosDebian: sid? :-) |
| 10:15.51 | MangosDebian | streuner_: sorry, thought there was a sid one too ;) |
| 10:15.52 | streuner_ | when the hell freezes over ;-) |
| 10:15.55 | liable | who won that btw? |
| 10:16.06 | MangosDebian | bibe was close |
| 10:16.16 | MangosDebian | Guerin: closer it seems |
| 10:16.18 | streuner_ | !seen bibe |
| 10:16.18 | dpkg | bibe <~bibe@85.20.37.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 46d 18h 51m 33s ago, saying: 'Maulkin : thanks, I'll try it'. |
| 10:16.52 | frojnd | I am knew to debian folks.. How can I make partitions during install?? manual or with LVM ?? |
| 10:17.12 | frojnd | can someone take a minute to tell me how to install debian properly for my my computer? |
| 10:17.19 | MangosDebian | i think Guerin won that won by a hair |
| 10:17.26 | MangosDebian | Guerin: grats!@ |
| 10:17.39 | xingu | !give simonrvn a cookie |
| 10:17.49 | xingu | there, that's what I meant. :) |
| 10:17.50 | simonrvn | aaaw, gee |
| 10:18.05 | MangosDebian | oh sheit! wait, resiak had april 21 |
| 10:18.13 | MangosDebian | !seen resiak |
| 10:18.13 | dpkg | resiak <n=will@unaffiliated/resiak> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 180d 20h 58m 59s ago, saying: 'abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5345 -- what is wrong with my preferences!'. |
| 10:18.29 | simonrvn | eew, i typoed that 'oatmeal', like 'otameal'. ota is shit in Mohawk |
| 10:18.37 | MangosDebian | lol |
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| 10:18.49 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 10:18.50 | xingu | simonrvn: well you made a meal of that one |
| 10:18.52 | MangosDebian | shitmeal for breakfast? |
| 10:19.09 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 10:19.23 | MangosDebian | hmmm, turds and wheh? |
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| 10:19.35 | simonrvn | nowhey |
| 10:19.39 | simonrvn | :P |
| 10:19.41 | MangosDebian | err ya ;) |
| 10:20.12 | xingu | "Please warmly welcome the first member from FUJITSU to the prestigious NCQ spurious completion club." :) |
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| 10:20.34 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 10:20.39 | xingu | copy-watch, copy-firmware, copy-bug ? |
| 10:20.56 | MangosDebian | :) |
| 10:20.58 | simonrvn | see you |
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| 10:26.26 | xingu | "Some systems have a HPET which is not incrementing, which leads to a complete hang." - how do I break thee, let me count the ways? |
| 10:27.12 | MangosDebian | s/HPET/HP/ |
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| 10:27.37 | MangosDebian | not very useful if it doesnt do anything :) |
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| 10:28.22 | xingu | bit of a misnomer, should be the zero-PET or something. |
| 10:28.39 | MangosDebian | high precision waste of energy |
| 10:28.48 | dimsuz | hello! Just updated my laptop (it's on lenny) and now after several minutes it hangs. I'm able to get to ctrl-alt-f1 console and it starts to print "hdb: drive not ready for command" etc. hdb is my dvd-rw |
| 10:28.48 | dimsuz | any hints? |
| 10:28.58 | dimsuz | it runs smoothly from the start |
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| 10:29.23 | xingu | dimsuz: is there a disc in the tray? |
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| 10:29.32 | dimsuz | yes |
| 10:30.00 | xingu | dimsuz: suggest you remove it; if that cures the symptom, take a look at disabling dma on the hdb device. or something. |
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| 10:30.05 | dimsuz | xingu: and once i tried to run "top" - it showed some hald-storage-blah-blah thingie at the top |
| 10:30.31 | xingu | dimsuz: yes, it sounds like your desktop is trying to automount the disc and that this is resulting in an ide bus hang |
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| 10:30.37 | dimsuz | xingu: ok. i try to leave it for some time w/o dvd in dvdrom |
| 10:31.34 | dimsuz | xingu: thanks. and if it'll work out - what then? I should wait until something gets fixed in lenny? :) or is this my laptops hardware problem? |
| 10:31.40 | dimsuz | didn't seen it before |
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| 10:31.57 | SerajewelKS | can a 32-bit linux kernel run a userspace program compiled for 64-bit? |
| 10:32.07 | xingu | dimsuz: sounds like a hw problem possibly triggered by a kernel upgrade. |
| 10:32.11 | SerajewelKS | e.g. can the k7 kernel run k8 userspace software? |
| 10:32.37 | xingu | SerajewelKS: no; ring0 must be running with new mode |
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| 10:32.47 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 10:33.06 | dimsuz | xingu: ok. btw, earlier dma was turned off by default. now it seems to be on - i tried to play DVD movies before it hanged (and it hanged to times - i.e. reproducibly) |
| 10:33.08 | SerajewelKS | xingu: but in order to use a k8 kernel i have to update everything on my system, at least the utilities that poke at the kernel, no? |
| 10:33.59 | SerajewelKS | xingu: or can i install linux-image-2.6.22-1-amd64 by itself and be ok? |
| 10:34.10 | xingu | SerajewelKS: depends; you can "probably" build an x86_64 kernel that lies about arch |
| 10:34.28 | xingu | SerajewelKS: /debian/ cares that package-arch == kernel arch. |
| 10:34.42 | SerajewelKS | xingu: so what would happen were i to install linux-image-2.6.22-1-amd64 right now |
| 10:34.48 | SerajewelKS | xingu: and of course reboot with it |
| 10:35.09 | xingu | SerajewelKS: your box would boot up, arch would be amd64, things would run, but dpkg/apt would scream murder, most likely. |
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| 10:35.38 | SerajewelKS | xingu: so why is the amd64 kernel in the main repo =/ |
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| 10:35.46 | xingu | SerajewelKS: you've been struggling with this for a couple of days no? is there a reason to /not/ export/reimport data and reinstall? |
| 10:36.02 | xingu | SerajewelKS: repo is arch neutral, all etch arches should be in it |
| 10:36.05 | SerajewelKS | xingu: not struggling, i was going to just stick with k7 but i want to try some stuff with k8 code |
| 10:36.14 | xingu | SerajewelKS: don't think you i386 types are special :) |
| 10:36.19 | SerajewelKS | xingu: the issue is disk space |
| 10:36.29 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i can't back up my whole system, i don't have the free space anywhere |
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| 10:36.54 | xingu | SerajewelKS: dpkg will prevent you from installing a wrong-arch package (must be same arch, or "all") |
| 10:37.12 | xingu | SerajewelKS: there's probably a way to force it; for your /experiment/ you could just unpack the deb by hand |
| 10:37.35 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i'd rather just swap everything out with the amd64 packages |
| 10:37.42 | xingu | SerajewelKS: just to prove the point; mkdir sometmp; cd sometmp; ar x /path/to/kernel.deb; tar xzf data.tar.gz |
| 10:38.08 | xingu | SerajewelKS: what you're asking for is multiarch and it's not done |
| 10:38.20 | SerajewelKS | xingu: not really multiarch |
| 10:38.55 | xingu | SerajewelKS: installing kernel arch != package arch packages is multiarch. |
| 10:39.04 | SerajewelKS | xingu: just remove everything, even essential packages, and reinstall the amd64 arch versions. of course this can't be done on a running system, so could i use a livecd to do it? |
| 10:39.19 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i just can't make another partition, debootstrap, copy my shit over, etc. i don't have the free space to do that. |
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| 10:40.14 | xingu | SerajewelKS: this is where a good partitioning layout would come to your rescue ;) |
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| 10:40.26 | SerajewelKS | xingu: define good partitioning layout |
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| 10:40.30 | black12313 | hi i still having problems in debian .. with my keyboard |
| 10:40.55 | black12313 | and now i i geting weird ´, weird beeps when i push 'and m together |
| 10:41.00 | xingu | SerajewelKS: discrete /,swap,/usr,/var,/home,/data partitions |
| 10:41.02 | black12313 | and my keyboard is weird now |
| 10:41.02 | SerajewelKS | xingu: my idea is to boot a livecd and dpkg -r everything on my disk, then debootstrap it amd64... is that too far-fetched? |
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| 10:41.45 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i'm not sure how that layout would be any better |
| 10:41.47 | black12313 | mmm seaj i might just go for a reinstall too.. |
| 10:41.54 | xingu | SerajewelKS: you'll need two livecd's - i386 for dpkg -r, amd64 for new bootstrap probably; "will it work" - it's not tested, so do report your results. :) |
| 10:42.02 | frojnd | I have q about statistics. If I cooporate as annonymous about what programs do I often use. How big are those statistics that are send every week to popcon.debian.org ?? 1mb 100kb ?? |
| 10:42.07 | SerajewelKS | xingu: hmm ok |
| 10:42.23 | xingu | SerajewelKS: with a sane partition layer you can just boot your new cdrom, re-mkfs /,/usr,/var and install away. |
| 10:42.47 | xingu | s/layer/layout/ |
| 10:42.52 | SerajewelKS | xingu: eh, some stuff gets stored in /var |
| 10:42.59 | SerajewelKS | config related stuff. don't ask me why. |
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| 10:43.19 | xingu | nothing important on my systems |
| 10:43.32 | SerajewelKS | xingu: when i'm doing dpkg -r on the i386 cd what will happen when it removes dpkg :) |
| 10:44.02 | SerajewelKS | (presumably i'd be chrooted) |
| 10:44.21 | xingu | SerajewelKS: no idea - I'd be more interested in what happens after dpkg -r libc6 |
| 10:44.29 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 10:44.43 | xingu | SerajewelKS: you really, really are better off treating it as a export, mkfs, new install, import task |
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| 10:44.59 | black12313 | can i get some help here ? |
| 10:45.00 | SerajewelKS | xingu: ok, what am i exporting then |
| 10:45.06 | SerajewelKS | xingu: /etc /home? |
| 10:45.17 | waqjan | !tell black12313 about ask-to-ask |
| 10:45.27 | TiMiDo | !k8 |
| 10:45.27 | dpkg | i guess k8 is the 64-bit AMD processor family (Opteron). See also <amd64>. |
| 10:45.34 | TiMiDo | !sparc |
| 10:45.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 10:45.47 | waqjan | black12313: just ask |
| 10:45.50 | xingu | SerajewelKS: the data that needs to be preserved; /personally/ I'd say that the best strategy for config is to reconfigure the new install. |
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| 10:46.16 | black12313 | use !ask keyboard configuration help |
| 10:46.19 | xingu | SerajewelKS: but that's just me; if you want to take the time to work out whether or not an /etc-file migration approach is workable, good luck, but it smells of bobbitt-ism to me |
| 10:46.30 | black12313 | !ask keyboard configuration help |
| 10:46.33 | xingu | SerajewelKS: given your goal, I'd suggest you take two paces back. |
| 10:46.35 | TiMiDo | !tell TiMiDo about keyboard conf |
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| 10:46.45 | black12313 | eh |
| 10:46.54 | SerajewelKS | xingu: eh, well it's not like i can just *poof* come up with another 250gb drive overnight to export to |
| 10:46.55 | TiMiDo | damn im sleepy |
| 10:46.58 | xingu | SerajewelKS: manually extract, or, crossbuild a x86_64 kernel; boot it against your curent userland |
| 10:47.12 | waqjan | SerajewelKS: do you really have that much stuff? |
| 10:47.20 | TiMiDo | !afk |
| 10:47.20 | dpkg | from memory, afk is Away From Keyboard |
| 10:47.25 | SerajewelKS | waqjan: i'm a packrat |
| 10:47.28 | TiMiDo | !ffs |
| 10:47.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 10:47.32 | SerajewelKS | !tell TiMiDo about msg the bot |
| 10:47.38 | TiMiDo | !lart SerajewelKS |
| 10:47.42 | xingu | SerajewelKS: see if your lm-enabled kernel is what you actually want; and then plan a reinstall if so. |
| 10:47.53 | SerajewelKS | xingu: which kernel is this |
| 10:47.55 | waqjan | have you tried resizing partitions? |
| 10:47.58 | black12313 | ... help ? |
| 10:48.11 | xingu | SerajewelKS: an x86_64 one. |
| 10:48.14 | waqjan | black12313: just ask your question |
| 10:48.34 | black12313 | i did |
| 10:48.46 | SerajewelKS | xingu: how do i know if it's what i actually want |
| 10:48.49 | black12313 | i want to fix up my keyboard configuration so i can use iceweasel / opera with keyboard shortcuts |
| 10:48.56 | black12313 | - it might be opera it might x |
| 10:49.06 | black12313 | i don .. ohmg omg itĹ› so x !!! |
| 10:49.21 | waqjan | have you tried looking inside opera? |
| 10:49.23 | black12313 | i cannot type 'andm at the one after the other .. wtf ? |
| 10:49.26 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I assume you have something that you wish to test under a 64bit arch kernel... |
| 10:49.29 | black12313 | yeah i have qaqjian |
| 10:49.33 | SerajewelKS | xingu: yes |
| 10:49.40 | xingu | SerajewelKS: so boot, and test |
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| 10:49.57 | SerajewelKS | xingu: will the amd64 kernel not explode w/rt iptables and whatnot? |
| 10:50.06 | black12313 | my problem is with the ´ and m keys |
| 10:50.17 | black12313 | which only started to happen now... |
| 10:50.34 | xingu | SerajewelKS: no; your i386 userland is all linked against a 32bit libc and should be fine; dpkg/apt will probably choke due to the arch mismatch. |
| 10:50.58 | xingu | SerajewelKS: I'm doing the converse here; schroot to an i386 debootstrap'd userland. |
| 10:51.08 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 10:51.10 | black12313 | 'fixed that |
| 10:51.11 | twb | xingu: what is SerajewelKS doing, an x86 chroot on amd64? |
| 10:51.29 | black12313 | yeah so how can i bind the iceweasel go back a page to the backspace key ? |
| 10:51.30 | SerajewelKS | twb: you could just ask me you know |
| 10:51.30 | xingu | twb: he's installed with kernel,pkg arch as i386 and wants to test x86_64. |
| 10:51.48 | twb | SerajewelKS: you're here for help, therefore less likely to give accurate and concise answers. |
| 10:51.52 | black12313 | can it be done ? |
| 10:52.13 | twb | xingu: as a chroot, or as dual-boot? |
| 10:52.16 | xingu | twb: the constraint is - it's a test (implied reversion?) - and insufficient disk space for dual running /or/ export/reimport (allowing for rollback) |
| 10:52.34 | twb | Ow. |
| 10:52.38 | xingu | twb: chroot to x86_64 in i386 won't be possible I think? lm must be enabled in ring0 |
| 10:52.46 | twb | Right. |
| 10:53.00 | black12313 | dam it how .. |
| 10:53.07 | SerajewelKS | twb: so i'm not the authority on what i'm trying to do... |
| 10:53.20 | xingu | twb: it's a nasty mess; so the way forward seems to be - boot a wrongarch kernel, run the test, then plan a reinstall |
| 10:53.27 | xingu | twb: unless I'm missing something |
| 10:53.37 | SerajewelKS | xingu: that's pretty close i guess |
| 10:54.01 | SerajewelKS | it'd be nice if apt could upgrade the system in one sweep and then make me reboot |
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| 10:54.12 | xingu | it'd be nice if apt was multiarch. :) |
| 10:55.10 | TiMiDo | !gangsta |
| 10:55.10 | TiMiDo | !sex |
| 10:55.10 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 10:55.10 | SerajewelKS | TiMiDo: please msg the bot |
| 10:55.10 | TiMiDo | SerajewelKS, fuck off |
| 10:55.10 | SerajewelKS | !ops TiMiDo troll |
| 10:55.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: serajewelks complains about: TiMiDo troll |
| 10:55.15 | xingu | it'd be nice if x86_64 and i386 kernel arches were merged too; but the x86_arch guy doesn't want the pollution from legacy mode i386 to leak in understandably |
| 10:55.37 | TiMiDo | !ops SerajewelKS is a fucking faggot |
| 10:55.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: timido complains about: SerajewelKS is a fucking faggot |
| 10:56.02 | SerajewelKS | xingu: would booting an amd64 livecd and having apt to a --reinstall be so bad? |
| 10:56.06 | SerajewelKS | do* |
| 10:56.22 | SerajewelKS | xingu: or would it be upset because there are i386 packages in the database |
| 10:56.54 | xingu | black12313: take a chill pill; then read http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/12/21/fix-firefox-backspace-to-take-you-to-the-previous-page/ |
| 10:57.10 | twb | SerajewelKS: I'm not confident your plan will work AT ALL. |
| 10:57.14 | xingu | !tell SerajewelKS about bobbitt |
| 10:57.26 | twb | SerajewelKS: why not just boot a Debian Live/amd64 CD and try it there? |
| 10:57.43 | SerajewelKS | twb: i'm not confident either, that's why i'm asking before i hose my system |
| 10:57.54 | black12313 | than you |
| 10:58.27 | SerajewelKS | twb: try what, what i want to run with k8 or doing the upgrade |
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| 10:58.44 | black12313 | life saver |
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| 10:59.58 | SerajewelKS | and i'm not at the point where i'm ready to act. i'm still gathering info and sorting this out. |
| 11:00.19 | twb | SerajewelKS: why can't you just test the amd64 arch from a live cd? |
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| 11:00.30 | SerajewelKS | twb: i can, that's not a problem |
| 11:00.41 | xored | my clamscan is eating to much CPU time, arround 60% right now |
| 11:00.50 | xored | what can i do to lower its CPU use ? |
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| 11:01.21 | twb | SerajewelKS: so why are you proposing this madcap scheme of a biarch install? |
| 11:01.25 | liable | !renice |
| 11:01.31 | liable | bleh |
| 11:01.34 | liable | !nice |
| 11:01.34 | dpkg | nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity |
| 11:01.53 | twb | That's not a very lucid description. |
| 11:01.55 | SerajewelKS | twb: because if i want to use amd64 then i'm going to need to install it somewhere |
| 11:02.03 | twb | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 11:02.20 | SerajewelKS | twb: because running amd64 while booting k7 isn't really possible? |
| 11:02.33 | twb | SerajewelKS: what? |
| 11:02.38 | SerajewelKS | twb: what? |
| 11:02.54 | SerajewelKS | twb: if i like the performance of amd64, i'm going to want to use it, no? |
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| 11:03.00 | xored | liable, was it for me ? |
| 11:03.12 | liable | xored: ya |
| 11:03.18 | SerajewelKS | twb: and to use it with my real system i need to basically reinstall with amd64, no? |
| 11:03.18 | twb | SerajewelKS: it's perfectly possible to run amd64 without installing it to a hard disk. |
| 11:03.26 | xored | liable, hmm i will need to set it for the deman |
| 11:03.30 | xored | under /etc/default ? |
| 11:03.33 | SerajewelKS | twb: of course, but i don't want to run in a chroot forever |
| 11:03.40 | twb | What chroot? |
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| 11:03.59 | SerajewelKS | twb: we're talking about using amd64 from a livecd, right? |
| 11:04.05 | twb | Yes. |
| 11:04.09 | liable | xored: i dont think you can set it in that file. google around about it |
| 11:04.29 | SerajewelKS | ok. sometime i might like to boot from sda1, not a cd, so my desktop remembers settings and shit. |
| 11:04.35 | TrueDD | Salut ŕ tous |
| 11:05.08 | twb | !fr |
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| 11:05.18 | twb | Hmm. |
| 11:05.22 | twb | !fr |
| 11:05.24 | liable | twb: he only said helo |
| 11:05.25 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:05.36 | liable | twb: he does it every day :) |
| 11:05.41 | twb | liable: fair enough. |
| 11:05.49 | black12313 | jem apple david |
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| 11:05.56 | black12313 | salut truedd |
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| 11:06.26 | TrueDD | Salut black12313 |
| 11:06.31 | SerajewelKS | twb: so i'm still tossing over several plans in my head to take what i have and do a reinstall with amd64. i'm not going to jump into it before i'm pretty sure it will work. |
| 11:06.36 | black12313 | lol - i only know a little |
| 11:06.39 | black12313 | french |
| 11:06.44 | black12313 | brb |
| 11:06.45 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 11:06.59 | twb | SerajewelKS: what the fuck? Why are you even touching the HDD if you don't KNOW you want to migrate to amd64? |
| 11:07.17 | SerajewelKS | twb: i'm not touching the hdd yet, am i? did you read what i just said? |
| 11:07.31 | twb | SerajewelKS: what does "reinstall" mean, if not "touch the HDD"? |
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| 11:07.51 | SerajewelKS | twb: i said i'm tossing some plans around in my head, not i'm rebooting my system and doing random shit. |
| 11:08.06 | twb | Whatever. |
| 11:08.11 | SerajewelKS | twb: i'm not actually going to do anything until i've tried amd64. |
| 11:08.27 | SerajewelKS | twb: but there's little point in trying a livecd if that's all i can do. i'd like to know i can go somewhere with it after. |
| 11:08.45 | twb | Well sure, you can just blow away what's on the disk now. |
| 11:09.09 | twb | You can theoretically blow away via clobbering, leaving /home and /var intact, but I've never tried this. |
| 11:09.20 | SerajewelKS | and /etc |
| 11:09.25 | twb | No, not /etc. |
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| 11:09.35 | SerajewelKS | what i don't want to keep my configuration? |
| 11:09.44 | twb | You should be version controlling that so you can go back through the changelog and reapply whatever configuration you've done. |
| 11:09.57 | SerajewelKS | i wouldn't just blanket it over |
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| 11:10.03 | twb | You can't easily keep /etc AND install amd64 over x86. |
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| 11:10.11 | SerajewelKS | i'd move it somewhere and inspect the differing files myself |
| 11:10.18 | twb | You'd need to take a backup and then manually fold your changes back in. |
| 11:10.22 | exhuma | omg.... ubuntu is full of "human beings".... I am missing the geeks ;) |
| 11:10.23 | twb | Right. |
| 11:10.23 | SerajewelKS | exactly |
| 11:10.45 | antgel | exhuma: yeah all that fake politeness gets tiring :) |
| 11:10.46 | SerajewelKS | i'm not stupid, i'm just new to how dpkg does arches |
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| 11:10.55 | SerajewelKS | and how 64 and 32 bit things interact |
| 11:10.56 | twb | Personally I'd just go buy another HDD and save myself some hassle |
| 11:11.00 | twb | OK. |
| 11:11.09 | SerajewelKS | i very well might, i do start work monday so i'll actually have income again |
| 11:11.26 | SerajewelKS | i'll need to get a sata power splitter too |
| 11:11.45 | twb | So next question, why isn't syslinux's menu.c32 and vesamenu.c32 working? |
| 11:12.11 | liable | hi ;) |
| 11:12.13 | xingu | !sing blame canada |
| 11:12.13 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 11:12.14 | twb | At home it worked, but here it just hangs after loading pxelinux.0 and pxelinux.cfg/default. |
| 11:12.26 | exhuma | anyhow. I was stupid enough to install ubuntu, and something screwed up my locales, which gets *really* annoying. And I *need* to get it working. So.... |
| 11:12.42 | antgel | !based on debian |
| 11:12.42 | dpkg | Your distribution may even use <apt>, but is not officially Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> <Linux Mint> to name a few. |
| 11:12.48 | twb | .ca sucks, they don't even have monotremes |
| 11:12.51 | exhuma | I tried dpkg-reconfigure and locale-gen, but both did not help much. |
| 11:13.01 | antgel | !ubuntusmite exhuma |
| 11:13.05 | SerajewelKS | twb: it might be worth using that extra disk to experiment too.. install a lenny i386 system and try to update it to amd64 in place, then write up a howto. |
| 11:13.16 | exhuma | antgel: ouch! That hurt!!! ;) |
| 11:13.21 | twb | SerajewelKS: good luck. |
| 11:13.26 | SerajewelKS | twb: thanks |
| 11:13.39 | SerajewelKS | twb: if i get something working i'll let you know, at least so you have closure :) |
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| 11:13.57 | SerajewelKS | and so you can point other 64-bit noobs to it :) |
| 11:13.59 | exhuma | The most important thing is to get postgres up and running again. Here is the error I get: http://pastebin.ca/653366 |
| 11:14.00 | twb | Wouldn't it be cheaper to replace his oxygen with ozone? |
| 11:14.31 | exhuma | mmmhhh.... ozone ;) |
| 11:14.34 | SerajewelKS | exhuma: you really want #ubuntu |
| 11:14.43 | xingu | it'd be funnier to extract all the nitrogen |
| 11:14.56 | exhuma | SerajewelKS: tried there... it's full of newbies :( |
| 11:15.03 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 11:15.03 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:15.07 | twb | A compelling reason not to use Ubuntu |
| 11:15.11 | SerajewelKS | exhuma: ^^^ |
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| 11:17.08 | exhuma | Oh my.... I'm screwed :> |
| 11:17.32 | SerajewelKS | twb: hmm, there's a 300gb sata300 drive at fry's for $60 |
| 11:17.42 | SerajewelKS | might have to go get that sucker |
| 11:18.01 | twb | Meh, you only need 4GB for the OS, even if it's a workstation and runs dinky bloated shit like GNOME |
| 11:18.10 | xingu | the one thing I will say about the ubuntu cult is that their user wiki's and docs always turn up in top-20 google hits for random userland queries. |
| 11:18.19 | SerajewelKS | twb: well i'm about 70% full on this puppy so i need a new drive anyway |
| 11:18.21 | twb | xingu: because they're in bed with google, hmm? |
| 11:18.29 | twb | Ubuntu loves Python, so does Norvig |
| 11:18.35 | twb | It's all one conspiracy |
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| 11:18.40 | xingu | systemic bias, probably; any information amongst the babble needs to be linked to before getting swamped |
| 11:18.49 | SerajewelKS | twb: i also need to phase out my 80gb ide drive since this mobo only has one ide channel, so i'm running an hd and a cdrom on the same channel =/ |
| 11:19.08 | twb | I just moved my CD drives to another host |
| 11:19.34 | SerajewelKS | eh well i dual-boot with xp for gaming, so i kinda need it on this host :) |
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| 11:21.08 | xingu | games, I remember those |
| 11:21.18 | xingu | they all seem to need a mouse now though |
| 11:21.18 | SerajewelKS | haha i love gparted: Since GParted can be a weapon of mass destruction only root may run it. |
| 11:21.30 | SerajewelKS | xingu: not racing games |
| 11:22.22 | Bajo | hi everyone! I want to start over, i.e. I want to erase all the programs and install only those which I actually use. Where to start? |
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| 11:22.49 | exhuma | Bajo: "shred /dev/sda" ;) |
| 11:23.01 | exhuma | Bajo: only joking ;) |
| 11:23.06 | Bajo | lol :) |
| 11:23.15 | Bajo | I almost did it :P |
| 11:23.20 | twb | Bajo: deborphan? |
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| 11:24.28 | exhuma | Reminds me... a few years back I accidentally shredded the first 10GB of our backup server at work.... After that I enjoyed a nice weekend restoring all the data... not nice |
| 11:24.30 | Bajo | twb, I actually want to remove almost all, including X and so on |
| 11:25.09 | twb | Bajo: try this: aptitude --schedule-only markauto ~i |
| 11:25.22 | twb | Bajo: then run aptitude and interactively go through and unmarkauto all packages you want |
| 11:25.23 | SerajewelKS | twb: haha this sounds sort of like... uhm, reinstalling everything! who else asked about that recently... |
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| 11:25.47 | gooro | HI |
| 11:25.58 | twb | SerajewelKS: you toy with powers you do not comprehend. |
| 11:26.06 | SerajewelKS | probably |
| 11:26.13 | Bajo | twb, ok, I'll try |
| 11:26.56 | twb | Bajo: be careful not to uninstall anything vital. |
| 11:27.08 | gooro | anyone has an HAUPPAUGE on ubuntu ?? |
| 11:27.11 | SerajewelKS | twb: is it possible to debootstrap using an amd64 arch when booted in a 32bit kernel? for when i do get that drive. |
| 11:27.34 | Bajo | twb, I don't have sensible data, so it's ok :) |
| 11:27.51 | SerajewelKS | sensible data? |
| 11:27.57 | SerajewelKS | oh, you work for the IRS... |
| 11:27.59 | twb | SerajewelKS: you can use debootstrap to install any architecture, I believe |
| 11:28.05 | SerajewelKS | twb: ok, nifty |
| 11:28.27 | twb | However, you can't RUN programs therein without rebooting into that environment |
| 11:28.29 | Bajo | SerajewelKS, how do you know?? :) |
| 11:28.41 | SerajewelKS | twb: nod, that much i knew |
| 11:28.52 | twb | And to do that, you will also need to install a kernel, which you can't do via chroot. |
| 11:28.53 | SerajewelKS | Bajo: lucky guess |
| 11:28.59 | SerajewelKS | twb: right |
| 11:29.15 | SerajewelKS | twb: so maybe my best bet would be doing the netinstall with amd64 |
| 11:29.31 | twb | That is what I'd do |
| 11:30.01 | SerajewelKS | twb: or actually i could debootstrap one and install the amd64 kernel on my current / and have grub boot with the other root= ? |
| 11:30.10 | twb | SerajewelKS: no. |
| 11:30.12 | SerajewelKS | or wait it wouldn't have the modules |
| 11:30.25 | twb | That whole plan is ludicrous. |
| 11:30.39 | SerajewelKS | probably |
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| 11:32.05 | paxcoder | hello everybody. again. |
| 11:32.18 | paxcoder | this time i want to ask a question about flash. |
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| 11:32.33 | SerajewelKS | it might work if i booted from an amd64 livecd and then i could chroot and install a kernel |
| 11:32.41 | SerajewelKS | but that's why we have the netinstall |
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| 11:34.58 | paxcoder | i deinstalled flash (apt-get remove flash), to install gnash - but that just won't work for me at least since the full release (1.0). So, I need flash back. How to do it? I tried installing form their package (when I click Get flash on youtube or something), but nothing happens. I tried to install mozilla plug-in from Synaptic, but allso... nothing. Still offers to "Get flash" even though installed it! What's the problem? |
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| 11:36.12 | paxcoder | anyone? any idea how to re install flash? |
| 11:36.17 | SerajewelKS | paxcoder: you need nonfree sources and then just install flash-plugin-nonfree |
| 11:37.04 | paxcoder | SerajewelKS: Yeah I tried that, but it didn't work either (!?), what's happening |
| 11:37.19 | paxcoder | (I've been to non free and downloaded .deb) |
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| 11:39.44 | paxcoder | SerajewelKS: here's the result: Download done. |
| 11:39.44 | paxcoder | md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 11:39.44 | paxcoder | The Flash plugin is NOT installed. |
| 11:40.00 | paxcoder | what's up with that? |
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| 11:40.24 | Mazingaro | please help I got kernel panic after burning dvd (2.6.21 k3b debian lenny) |
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| 11:43.12 | kalve | When installing debian I did not have access to my network, and now my /etc/apt/sources.list only contains cdrom repository and security.debian.org |
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| 11:43.23 | kalve | isn't there a command I can run to reconfigure apt? |
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| 11:43.37 | twb | kalve: just write it by hand. |
| 11:43.59 | DustyBin | kalve: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:44.07 | kalve | DustyBin: i prefer vim, but OK |
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| 11:44.11 | DustyBin | ok |
| 11:44.22 | DustyBin | once you done that put in something like |
| 11:44.41 | DustyBin | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main-contrib |
| 11:44.46 | DustyBin | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main-contrib |
| 11:45.29 | DustyBin | copy those two lines and stick: non-free on the end for non-free stuff |
| 11:47.02 | kalve | are you sure it shouldn't be main contrib |
| 11:47.03 | kalve | ? |
| 11:47.49 | DustyBin | oh yes it should, sorry |
| 11:48.03 | DustyBin | but it should be 'non-free' |
| 11:48.16 | kalve | for some reason it fails on "GPG error", "Unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 11:48.46 | DustyBin | first, # out the repositories you dont want |
| 11:48.58 | DustyBin | so just leave those 2 above in, then do apt-get update |
| 11:49.13 | kalve | that is what æm doing |
| 11:49.26 | kalve | I am* |
| 11:49.46 | DustyBin | ok mark out the deb-src one with a # and try again |
| 11:50.13 | kalve | same error |
| 11:50.18 | DustyBin | type in 'date' |
| 11:50.24 | DustyBin | is the date set ok? |
| 11:50.27 | kalve | :p |
| 11:50.28 | kalve | no |
| 11:50.31 | kalve | not at all |
| 11:50.33 | kalve | 1980 |
| 11:50.34 | DustyBin | there you go.. |
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| 11:51.11 | kalve | thanks a lot :p |
| 11:51.16 | DustyBin | np |
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| 11:53.48 | kalve | I recall that I used something like "apt-setup" to choose what repositories to use some years ago |
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| 11:58.06 | kalve | wow, I am amazed. I did apt-get install fluxbox xorg .. chose the correct screen resolution, and "startx" actually started X fine at the first try... :p |
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| 11:58.23 | paxcoder | I get this message when I try to install .deb package for flash(non-free): |
| 11:58.24 | paxcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.24 | paxcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.30 | paxcoder | (what's the matter?) |
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| 11:59.56 | paxcoder | anyone? |
| 11:59.57 | paxcoder | nobody had trouble with this? |
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| 12:01.02 | kalve | got the same when I tried to apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 12:02.50 | diepes | what is a good tool to manage multiple debian box's securely ? maintaining std settings and loading security packages |
| 12:03.17 | paxcoder | kalve: and you made peace with it? |
| 12:03.33 | paxcoder | i think it's because it's not removed properly |
| 12:03.44 | kalve | paxcoder: I just tried after you asked |
| 12:03.53 | kalve | this is a very, very, fresh install of debian |
| 12:04.12 | paxcoder | can you watch youtube? |
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| 12:05.09 | dixon | Hi. I want to install debian on my server. But it has like 21CDs :\ Is the 1st CD enough for the server installation? |
| 12:05.23 | liable | yes |
| 12:05.25 | paxcoder | i think so |
| 12:05.50 | paxcoder | kalve: do you have flash now? and what did you mean by fresh install of debian? |
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| 12:06.12 | paxcoder | do i need to use some older version of flash? no problem, is that it? |
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| 12:07.05 | xand | dixon: do a netinstall |
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| 12:08.29 | dixon | xand: I want to install the debian server installation to 4 computers :\ so it's better when I download it onece |
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| 12:11.24 | paxcoder | dixon: I don't know about CD's, but I'm pretty sure 1 DVD is enough. I think Apache (and PHP, and others) are all on DVD1. |
| 12:11.40 | NiLon | I got logitech's MX510 mouse under Debian/Gnome, but I can't get all buttons to work. Especially "back" and "forward" buttons should work. I tried to conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf but only what I got was broken X-server. |
| 12:11.50 | paxcoder | Btw, if it's a server, it could pull PHP and such if not from DVD's then from the net |
| 12:12.19 | paxcoder | NiLon: "I tried to conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf but only what I got was broken X-server." LOL (sorry, it's just funny) |
| 12:12.47 | paxcoder | i don't know |
| 12:13.37 | NiLon | There's tool called lomoco but it's not working it seems. |
| 12:14.27 | dixon | paxcoder: ok and what about repositories? all the basic repositories are there setup from the beginning or I should add some? I'm ubuntu user and after install I'm adding universe...... |
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| 12:16.07 | paxcoder | dixon: loads of debian repositories |
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| 12:20.45 | paxcoder | dixon: what do repositories have to do? |
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| 12:23.38 | twb | Any pxelinux/syslinux fans in the audience want to hazard a guess as to why vesamenu.c32 and menu.c32 aren't working on some of my hosts, even thought they boot fine when not using the menu subsystem? |
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| 12:24.16 | folial | hi everyone!! |
| 12:24.37 | paxcoder | yello |
| 12:25.31 | folial | in debian testing, update-modules doesn't work anymore... any hints? |
| 12:26.36 | folial | module-init-tools version: 3.3-pre11-4 |
| 12:26.53 | EmleyMoor | "doesn't work" - what does it do? |
| 12:27.13 | folial | it only says: "The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!" |
| 12:27.41 | folial | if you look at the source... it's a shell script that does echo only this line!! :-) |
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| 12:28.04 | EmleyMoor | folial: Well, perhaps it is indeed no longer relevant |
| 12:28.20 | folial | there have to be a way to do same things of update-modules |
| 12:28.40 | folial | trouble is that I don't know it... and don't know where to search for it |
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| 12:28.57 | folial | any suggestions, please? |
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| 12:29.16 | NiLon | How I can add uinput support to my kernel? |
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| 12:29.44 | EmleyMoor | folial: Do nothing. Nothing is necessary. /etc/modules.conf is not needed any more |
| 12:30.00 | folial | oh... then that's ok... |
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| 12:30.07 | EmleyMoor | man update-modules in stable explains it |
| 12:30.31 | folial | thanx... |
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| 12:31.04 | folial | maybe the problem is with alsaconf, then... my audio drivers don't load well at boot... |
| 12:31.12 | folial | i'll try to figure out why |
| 12:31.17 | folial | thank you!! |
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| 12:32.31 | folial | could you say to me how I can get informations about the right way to configure modules stuff... alternative to modules.conf? |
| 12:33.04 | EmleyMoor | man modprobe.conf for starters |
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| 12:33.35 | folial | ok... sorry but that wasn't clear to me!! |
| 12:33.40 | folial | thank you indeed again |
| 12:35.09 | snowbird | how do i add sudo to my root user list |
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| 12:38.00 | fatalerrors | hi all |
| 12:38.08 | psyco-obiwan | good morning... how come my kernel 2.4 (on an upgraded sarge->etch) shows the 2 drives as hde and hdg while 2.6 uses sda and sdb... now the md devices dont mount anymore and its stuck.. |
| 12:38.30 | fatalerrors | i need a really slim wm for a computer with 48Mb of ram |
| 12:38.45 | psyco-obiwan | funny enough it worked when i rebooted numerous times after the upgrade was completed with 2.6 kernels.. |
| 12:38.48 | fatalerrors | which one can i get? |
| 12:39.33 | fatalerrors | (note : the debian 4 base system work fine on this computer :) ...) |
| 12:39.55 | folial | bye bye!! |
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| 12:40.16 | xingu | psyco-obiwan: because the 2.4 ata stack has met is maker and been replaced. |
| 12:40.57 | xingu | psyco-obiwan: nb, mount understands labels as does the linux bootloader; there's no real reason to use block device names. |
| 12:40.59 | psyco-obiwan | xingu: is it as easy to fix as it seems to me: boot in 2.6 and edit mdadm.conf replacing hde with sda etc. ? |
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| 12:41.19 | benluo | hi |
| 12:41.44 | xingu | psyco-obiwan: probably yes; be better if mdadm could take /dev/disk/by-id/ paths thouh imho. |
| 12:41.46 | psyco-obiwan | xingu: its funny, i did the update weeks ago and today i replaced ups and shut it down properly and now it is no more willing to mount more than the root md |
| 12:41.55 | benluo | i install ttf-dejavu for testing system. but I can not "xlsfont|grep dejavu" |
| 12:42.06 | benluo | who knows why? |
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| 12:42.20 | kalve | what is equivalient (i know I can's spell that word) to GDM for KDE? |
| 12:42.26 | fatalerrors | no idea for my problem? |
| 12:42.33 | psyco-obiwan | kalve: kdm ? |
| 12:42.44 | twb | benluo: yes. |
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| 12:42.50 | twb | benluo: I do. |
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| 12:43.07 | benluo | twb: why? |
| 12:43.14 | benluo | twb: how can i do? |
| 12:43.14 | kalve | thanks, obi |
| 12:43.16 | fatalerrors | kalve: yes it's kdm |
| 12:43.20 | twb | benluo: because the DejaVu family are vector fonts. |
| 12:43.36 | benluo | and so? |
| 12:43.46 | paxcoder | YEEY! Installed Flash now. This time, it failed to install from .deb, but not only did it say "Get Flash", it said: "Install missing plugins", and it did. So the key is to make it understand there's no more plugins (delete all from ~/.mozilla/) Credits to meteoryte from #gnash, and nd__ from ##flash |
| 12:43.53 | psyco-obiwan | xingu: do you have any hints for me what the proper way to approach this problem would be, i'm kinda feared of losing this server and having to reinstall (nor is running etch with a 2.4 kernel a real alternative ;-)) |
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| 12:44.31 | benluo | twb: so how can i do if i want to emacs22 use it? |
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| 12:44.35 | xingu | psyco-obiwan: you sound like you're on the right path already; I don't as a rule do software mirroring, so you're on your own there. |
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| 12:45.32 | twb | benluo: Emacs 22 cannot use vector fonts. |
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| 12:45.36 | psyco-obiwan | xingu: yeah thx ;-) sometimes its just not affordable in terms of price/gb to go for hw-raid, but i agree completely |
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| 12:46.55 | xingu | psyco-obiwan: there's lots of surprisingly cheap fcal->sata units out there now (a few of them run linux/dm-raid internally but sssh) |
| 12:46.57 | benluo | twb: emacs 23 can? am i right? |
| 12:47.08 | twb | There is no such thing as Emacs 23. |
| 12:47.30 | benluo | it is cvs unicode branch |
| 12:47.35 | twb | No, it's not. |
| 12:47.43 | benluo | hoho |
| 12:47.51 | twb | benluo: /msg fsbot emacs23 |
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| 12:48.40 | benluo | twb: any way, emacs works now. and i can input chinese. the font is ugly |
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| 12:52.01 | xingu | psyco-obiwan: http://www.infortrend.com/main/index.asp <-- for eg |
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| 13:05.10 | snowbird | antgel you around |
| 13:05.56 | kalve | anyone here familiar with the HP w200 multiport wlan card? |
| 13:05.57 | kalve | :p |
| 13:06.07 | snowbird | i instaled som manual from pack manajour how i rind em? |
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| 13:07.44 | snowbird | struner hey |
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| 13:09.25 | streuner | hi |
| 13:09.40 | snowbird | i went into packaga man and got some books |
| 13:10.16 | snowbird | then installed em but i can seem to find and get em to open |
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| 13:11.45 | snowbird | get error folder with em dosent exist |
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| 13:13.37 | kenro | I need a cbr viewer, but Ubuntu doesn't provide one. With me using hte gibbon, would it ruin my computer if I include pure Debian pkg sources? |
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| 13:15.41 | snowbird | i gueess cant be done |
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| 13:17.57 | streuner | !ask |
| 13:17.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:18.22 | elenril | is there a way to mark all packages installed by apt-get build-dep as auto? |
| 13:18.23 | frojnd | does allways take so much time after installation of debian or just first time? |
| 13:18.24 | streuner | and speak english, i don't unterstand what you want |
| 13:18.54 | streuner | depends which packages you want install |
| 13:18.56 | kenro | streuner: To whom you address? |
| 13:18.58 | snowbird | i hava a problem with docs iam running debian etch when i try open nothing happens |
| 13:19.19 | liable | which docs? |
| 13:19.26 | streuner | if the partitions are already there, debian installation is pretty quick done |
| 13:19.29 | snowbird | linux gazete |
| 13:19.50 | streuner | they are gz'ed nowadays... |
| 13:19.52 | snowbird | liable the were in pack manajour |
| 13:20.33 | streuner | you could read them via "zless" or just untar them |
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| 13:21.16 | DL7LN | hi everybody! |
| 13:21.29 | snowbird | struner wahts is zless |
| 13:21.36 | DL7LN | which package i have to install if bzip/bunzip isn't available? |
| 13:21.38 | elenril | i want to run apt-get build-dep and after i'm done with building remove these packages |
| 13:21.47 | DL7LN | -which/+what |
| 13:21.48 | snowbird | there not tars when u use package manajour |
| 13:22.46 | streuner | !find manajour |
| 13:22.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'manajour' returned no results. |
| 13:23.02 | streuner | DL7LN: bzip2 |
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| 13:23.23 | DL7LN | streuner: i use aptitude...no package bzip2 there... |
| 13:23.23 | snowbird | synaptic |
| 13:23.23 | streuner | !tell DL7LN about search |
| 13:23.37 | streuner | DL7LN: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:23.39 | DL7LN | streuner: thnx |
| 13:24.18 | streuner | !info bzip2 |
| 13:24.20 | dpkg | bzip2: (high-quality block-sorting file compressor - utilities), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 259 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
| 13:24.30 | DL7LN | streuner: it says the following: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:24.45 | kenro | Anyone with so much as opinion or advice for my problem? |
| 13:24.50 | snowbird | liable should i get rid of thouse docs |
| 13:25.10 | twb | kenro: this is not an Ubuntu support channel. |
| 13:25.11 | liable | snowbird: no, you need to learn how to read them |
| 13:25.26 | snowbird | how liable i am trying |
| 13:26.23 | snowbird | to comlicated must be broken package |
| 13:26.36 | kenro | twb: Don't go there. If you don't help on this channel, this chabbel serves no purpose. |
| 13:27.00 | twb | kenro: hey, fuck you, etc. |
| 13:27.23 | twb | kenro: I'm not your Mum, and we are not obliged to help you with off-topic problems. |
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| 13:28.16 | kenro | twb: Oh ok, bad channel ID. sorry. Even so, it's a debian question. |
| 13:28.25 | twb | Ubuntu is not Debian. |
| 13:28.34 | twb | If you can reproduce the problem on a Debian host, then by all means ask here. |
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| 13:30.16 | elenril | no way? |
| 13:30.20 | kenro | It's a Debian question. Not my fault if Ubuntu scripts mitigate. |
| 13:31.19 | MangosDebian | kenro: oh? |
| 13:31.23 | twb | kenro: if you're very careful, you can install Debian packages on an Ubuntu host. If you're not very careful, you can easily fuck up your system badly. |
| 13:31.59 | kenro | Thank you. :) |
| 13:32.17 | pocukrani | sound on youtube.com don`t work, i have iceweasel+mozilla firefox and laters flash player installed |
| 13:32.19 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 13:32.20 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
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| 13:34.11 | kenro | Oh hang this I'm installing LSB... |
| 13:34.42 | snowbird | no to self one of the things not to use is that |
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| 13:40.03 | kenro | snowbird: You don't like lsb? |
| 13:40.09 | snowbird | got em online thats ok but one i put on hd don't open |
| 13:40.17 | rob19 | kenro is a ubuntu lover!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:40.50 | snowbird | cant get em to open |
| 13:40.54 | kenro | rob19: Wrong. I'm a Bush Basher. |
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| 13:42.28 | kenro | rob19: Political Correct societal labeling is as useful as asking an Ubunutu question in a Debian channel. |
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| 13:43.06 | snowbird | is there a way to shapen video |
| 13:44.38 | twb | snowbird: yeah, whetstones |
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| 13:45.37 | snowbird | ok twb cause mine is lil fuzzy |
| 13:45.58 | snowbird | liable u still around |
| 13:46.00 | DL7LN | is it possible to create "virtual users" with pdbedit? i mean users, who don't have an unix-account on the samba-machine... |
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| 13:46.28 | twb | snowbird: you mean "video" as in a glass tty? |
| 13:46.42 | snowbird | yeah |
| 13:46.49 | twb | Are you using VGA? |
| 13:47.03 | snowbird | how would i tell |
| 13:47.25 | twb | How many pins does the cable between the monitor and the graphics card have? |
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| 13:47.55 | snowbird | il check |
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| 13:51.32 | Roey | 9/ |
| 13:51.33 | Roey | ? |
| 13:52.10 | snowbird | 13 pins on cable |
| 13:52.29 | twb | Is there a wide thin bar as well as the pins? |
| 13:52.36 | snowbird | a0c spectrum 7glr monitor nvida video card |
| 13:52.53 | snowbird | all pins one pin in midle missing |
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| 13:53.14 | twb | It should be three rows of five, totalling 15 pins. |
| 13:53.32 | snowbird | right with one pin missing |
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| 13:53.40 | twb | OK, you're using VGA. |
| 13:53.46 | twb | That's an analog signal. |
| 13:53.47 | snowbird | would age of monitor help? |
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| 13:54.18 | twb | Getting a better quality, shorter cable might help. Getting an LCD and using DVI instead of VGA would probably help. |
| 13:54.44 | TravellingSalesM | hi, is there anyway to compile only my changed kernel files and their dependants and not the whole kernel? |
| 13:54.55 | snowbird | yeah i can try lcd |
| 13:55.07 | snowbird | twb what abought 3d or driver |
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| 13:58.33 | twb | snowbird: what about them? |
| 13:58.51 | twb | TravellingSalesM: you mean an external module? |
| 13:59.06 | K_Dallas | Morning folks! Q: Given a toshiba laptop (satellite a200 serires) which is not turned on yet, and a supposedly preinstalled vista on it, I am wondering what would be the best way to go to install Debian (stable) as a secondary OS on this machine? My oncern is that since I do not have Vista DVD and i have to make a recovery DVD of sort or something, never done it before, I ened up messing up vista or have to delete linux to take the HD back where |
| 13:59.06 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.29 | snowbird | i dont have 3d on i wounder maybe it would help or better driver or someting for linux |
| 14:00.11 | TravellingSalesM | twb: no, for example i change sched.c but each time i have to compile the whole kernel which takes more than 30 mins :( |
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| 14:03.55 | liable | K_Dallas: you normally make the rescue disks from within windows. theres a seperate partition that holds all that stuff anyway (usually hidden) |
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| 14:05.30 | mavhk | how can they be so cheap not to burn you a dvd, got to save 10 cents? |
| 14:05.47 | liable | bastards all do it these days |
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| 14:06.28 | sperfection83 | Hi all |
| 14:06.30 | sperfection83 | I have a problem with the rotation of Apache logs. Logrotate in the cron doesn't do its job whereas it's included in the cron.daily. When I execute the "logrotate /etc/logrotate.d/apache2" it works... |
| 14:06.41 | sperfection83 | can anyone help me ? |
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| 14:06.56 | liable | doesnt it do it based on size of log? |
| 14:07.01 | liable | man logrotate |
| 14:07.07 | Rothgar | Why not just put it in the crontab ? |
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| 14:07.31 | dvs | sperfection83: specify the full path for the logrotate command |
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| 14:08.13 | sperfection83 | dvs : /usr/sbin/logrotate |
| 14:08.22 | dvs | sperfection83: yeah, like that. |
| 14:08.32 | NiLon | when I'm creating modifications to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and booting x-server it says that my video cards options for BusID "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 14:08.38 | NiLon | ..is wrong |
| 14:08.42 | NiLon | how do i correct this? |
| 14:08.46 | dvs | sperfection83: /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 |
| 14:09.04 | NiLon | if i let system to handle it, it's correct and x-server boots |
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| 14:09.52 | sperfection83 | dvs : yes, when I execute this command, it works, but why does cron doesn't execute this command ? |
| 14:10.22 | K_Dallas | liable, ok, now to install linux, should i use a partition tool to resize the HD and if I do it, in case of emergency when I need to use the recovery DVD, would it complain that the partition is changed and not of the original size? Thanks |
| 14:10.26 | dvs | sperfection83: because cron usually doesn't have a PATH variable to rely on |
| 14:11.15 | sperfection83 | dvs : this is what I have in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate file : test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate || exit 0 |
| 14:11.15 | sperfection83 | /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 14:11.21 | liable | K_Dallas: yes, you will have to make room for linux, and no, if you reinstall windows, it generally decides to use the whole disk |
| 14:11.42 | liable | K_Dallas: there are times when it doesnt, but i dont recall what those circumstances are |
| 14:11.51 | sperfection83 | (and /etc/logrotate.d/apache.d is in INCLUDE entry in /etc/logrotate.conf) |
| 14:12.05 | dvs | dunno then |
| 14:12.48 | K_Dallas | liable, so each time which happens I need to reinstall windows, i have to reinstall linux and go through the whole precedure! |
| 14:12.54 | sperfection83 | dvs, but where can I see a log of the commands which have failed by cron ? |
| 14:13.32 | liable | K_Dallas: i am sure theres a way around it, but i dont remember, maybe if windows is on the first partition, it restricts itself to that one |
| 14:13.36 | K_Dallas | liable, is there an easy way to backup all my toshiba specific drivers ? |
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| 14:13.48 | liable | K_Dallas: dunno, it doesnt behave as it should |
| 14:14.03 | dvs | sperfection83: the output of cron is emailed to root. |
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| 14:14.06 | liable | K_Dallas: you will prolly find a dir in windows that has them all |
| 14:14.08 | apt-get | Hi |
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| 14:14.10 | apt-get | why when i modprobe 8139too, eth0 dont go up, but eth4 yes? |
| 14:14.23 | liable | !blame udev |
| 14:14.30 | K_Dallas | liable, there is a driver folder under c:\windows (at least on xp) |
| 14:14.39 | liable | apt-get: did you replace your nic? |
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| 14:14.47 | sperfection83 | dvs, ok but there is no mail... |
| 14:14.48 | apt-get | motherboard] |
| 14:14.59 | K_Dallas | liable, ok, thatnks for the info. i will google a bit more to see if I find more details |
| 14:15.07 | liable | K_Dallas: yeah, i dunno about vista, you will have to ask windows people or toshiba |
| 14:15.16 | liable | apt-get: so its your only nic? |
| 14:15.22 | apt-get | udev its the problem i think |
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| 14:15.44 | snowbird | vista is sh*t os |
| 14:15.51 | K_Dallas | liable, yes i will try to contact toshiba and see their customer service would be willing to help me with linux ;) |
| 14:15.53 | liable | apt-get: even if its not, just delete your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 14:16.03 | liable | apt-get: then reload the module |
| 14:16.23 | K_Dallas | snowbird, i know but why people have to remind of that each time i ask a question ;) sometimes in the real world you have just to use it! |
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| 14:16.41 | xand | K_Dallas: you do? |
| 14:16.43 | K_Dallas | that is why gates is so rich! |
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| 14:16.54 | K_Dallas | xand, what do you mean, yes i have |
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| 14:17.01 | apt-get | liable thanks!! |
| 14:17.04 | K_Dallas | but i need my linux too |
| 14:17.17 | liable | K_Dallas: you dont need to ask them about linux, just where you can get the neccessary drivers for your laptop |
| 14:17.21 | liable | apt-get: np |
| 14:17.27 | apt-get | :) |
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| 14:17.33 | Rothgar | playing: "Brotha Lynch Hung - Locc 2 da brain" [128kbps][44kHz][Stereo] |
| 14:17.35 | K_Dallas | liable, ok, that is a good Q to ask |
| 14:18.07 | liable | they should have them on their web site freely available |
| 14:18.13 | liable | Rothgar: we dont care :P |
| 14:18.26 | Rothgar | Wrong channel :) |
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| 14:18.41 | K_Dallas | liable, i have their website where many downloads are available but not sure if it covers all, gotta check after i plugged in the computer |
| 14:18.51 | snowbird | should asm messenger use http |
| 14:18.52 | dvs | sperfection83: I'd put an echo at the beginning of the script to see if it's actually being executed. |
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| 14:19.17 | _Ahti | Haha, just got banned from my favourite channel ;) |
| 14:19.18 | _Ahti | Oh well |
| 14:19.41 | psyco-obiwan | xingu: it worked by simply replacing hdeX with sdaX in mdadm.conf now it boots fine under 2.6 |
| 14:20.11 | snowbird | what channel |
| 14:21.08 | _Ahti | #puppylinux, (yes i don't use puppy, but i've got to know the people there... just one asshole of an admin ;) ) |
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| 14:21.37 | sperfection83 | dvs : ok I try it right know, and I'll planify the logrotate command in 5 minutes to see what will happen |
| 14:21.52 | _Ahti | Hahaha, i find it funny -.- |
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| 14:22.21 | dvs | sperfection83: what a minute. You didn't specify the full path for "test" |
| 14:22.33 | _Ahti | i think i should've done a massive paste in the channel before i'd left =.= |
| 14:22.43 | _Ahti | like the FreeBSD manual perhaps |
| 14:22.44 | sperfection83 | dvs, test ? what do u mean ? |
| 14:22.46 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to get xsane to run as user. scanimage and xscanimage currently do run under user but xsane only as root. I am using the default sane install on Debian lenny (udev with a usb scanner). Anyone have this issue and know how to fix it? It seems that any reference to my scanner in the sane config files has the permissions set for group "scanner" to use it and I am a member of group scanner. |
| 14:22.48 | _Ahti | *sigh*, too late now |
| 14:22.48 | _Ahti | lol |
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| 14:23.08 | dvs | sperfection83: this is what I have in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate file : test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate || exit 0 |
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| 14:23.18 | dvs | sperfection83: test -x ... |
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| 14:23.48 | sperfection83 | dvs, that's right but I didn't create the script. I think Apache created it itself |
| 14:24.01 | graytron | smacnay: did you relogin to your X session after adding yourself to group scannerz? |
| 14:24.36 | smacnay | graytron: I have been a member of scanner for a few months now and have had many re-logins and a few boots. |
| 14:25.06 | graytron | smacnay: no idea then |
| 14:25.08 | sperfection83 | dvs, I have others Apache Web Servers (Load Balancing) which use the same script and it works perfectly. In fact the 2 servers which have the problems worked 'til the beginning of July, this year...since the logrotate doesn't do his job for some reason.. |
| 14:25.21 | smacnay | graytron: me neither - thanks for the response, though. |
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| 14:25.57 | sperfection83 | dvs, maybe I can try to take off the line "test -x"... ? |
| 14:26.06 | dvs | sure |
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| 14:30.08 | kenji | guy If I have a file with a string a = 0 how can I cat it but showing just the 0? (without grep 0 xD) |
| 14:31.56 | asg | kenji: awk '{print $3}' /path/to/file |
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| 14:32.14 | MalMen | hello |
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| 14:32.22 | MalMen | what is the best sources to debian etch ? |
| 14:32.26 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. does anybody know tool with which i can open an APP with for example my Server Machine (nfs) ? |
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| 14:32.43 | asg | MalMen: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:32.43 | twb | !apt-spy |
| 14:32.43 | dpkg | apt-spy is, like, a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 14:32.50 | kenji | tnks asg |
| 14:33.03 | twb | MalMen: see apt-spy |
| 14:33.15 | XtypeWriter74 | ( client open app on server machine ) |
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| 14:34.31 | graytron | i installed vice on sarge and soon noticed that all my virtual consoles (/dev/tty1 - /dev/tty6) have a reddish background and all characters on screen appear as colored square blocks. any ideas what caused this? |
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| 14:34.58 | piper69 | Good morning Gents |
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| 14:35.45 | MalMen | http://pastebin.com/m75485a90 |
| 14:35.54 | MalMen | my source.list is now empty :O |
| 14:36.14 | twb | Excellent, you have attained true package management |
| 14:36.33 | MalMen | define: attained please |
| 14:36.40 | twb | attain = get |
| 14:37.07 | twb | I was parodying western stereotypes of zen meditation. |
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| 14:37.25 | MalMen | but if source.list is empty i cant get anything |
| 14:37.27 | MalMen | :O |
| 14:37.48 | twb | Truly, you see many things. |
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| 14:39.20 | sperfection83 | dvs, when u add an entry in /etc/crontab, do we have to launch a command to let cron know there is a modification ? |
| 14:39.52 | dvs | sperfection83: dunno. I use "crontab -e" if I want to edit my crontab. |
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| 14:40.37 | sperfection83 | dvs, I have manually added a line in /etc/crontab. |
| 14:40.38 | graytron | sperfection83: head /etc/crontab |
| 14:40.51 | dvs | head? that's weird |
| 14:41.05 | twb | sperfection83: no. |
| 14:41.45 | twb | dvs: he's telling sperfection83 to read the commentary |
| 14:41.58 | twb | (Which may not be there, if sperfection83 has fucked with it.) |
| 14:42.00 | dvs | oh ok. |
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| 14:42.21 | asg | MalMen: there is a sample sources.list in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
| 14:42.23 | twb | >thunk< a home run! |
| 14:42.24 | sperfection83 | ;) |
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| 14:43.07 | graytron | home faint more likely |
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| 14:44.03 | twb | Home schooling! |
| 14:44.27 | sperfection83 | dvs, ok cron have executed my script. I did an : echo "Hello world > test.txt" before the logrotate command... and the test.txt have been created |
| 14:45.04 | sperfection83 | dvs, but the command after "echo" seem not to have been executed |
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| 14:47.14 | graytron | sperfection83: you're running some bash script through cron and the script doesn't run certain commands? |
| 14:47.22 | pingouin_ | i dont understand how SATA works in kernel, i got 2 hd IDE, then i want to add an SATA drives, do i have to remove all options about IDE in kernel, and leave only LIBATA/jmicron options ? |
| 14:47.27 | smacnay | graytron: what should the permissions on the xsane executable be set to? Do they need to be altered? |
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| 14:47.33 | smacnay | graytron: mine are... |
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| 14:47.47 | liable | pingouin_: no |
| 14:47.48 | smacnay | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 4840 2006-07-11 08:16 /usr/bin/xsane |
| 14:48.11 | liable | pingouin_: that would be silly, ide and sata drivers are seperate, so just include both |
| 14:48.23 | graytron | smacnay: mine are -rwxr-xr-x, on sarge (oldstable) |
| 14:48.27 | pingouin_ | liable: ok, many thanks. Helpfull |
| 14:48.34 | smacnay | graytron: I wonder if I should alter mine |
| 14:48.43 | pingouin_ | i was about to make a mistake, thanks again liable |
| 14:48.54 | graytron | smacnay: maybe xsane protects you by not allowing it to be run suid |
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| 14:49.05 | sperfection83 | graytron, the commands in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate don't run |
| 14:49.07 | graytron | smacnay: did you modify the permissions yourself? |
| 14:49.26 | smacnay | graytron: maybe but it is aggravating needing to chown all the resulting scans to a user. |
| 14:49.41 | smacnay | graytron: no, I haven't altered the perms. |
| 14:50.03 | frojnd | hello there |
| 14:50.15 | frojnd | is there any supprot for USB flash disks ? |
| 14:50.34 | twb | frojnd: read-write support, sure. |
| 14:50.37 | frojnd | I am copying 350mb of data on computer and it's copyng for 10 mins now.. |
| 14:50.49 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. i would like to execute an application on Machine B but the application is on Machine A... is there a tool for doing so? |
| 14:50.49 | twb | Perhaps you're using USB1 instead of USB2? |
| 14:51.38 | asg | XtypeWriter74: what type of application? |
| 14:51.47 | graytron | smacnay: im afraid i can't help you much, because i don't know enough about xsane on lenny |
| 14:52.10 | smacnay | graytron: thanks... neither do I, it appears. |
| 14:52.20 | graytron | sperfection83: did you edit your /etc/logrotate.conf lately |
| 14:52.36 | smacnay | graytron: sane warns me not to run as root (makes sense) but doesn't make it easy to run as user. |
| 14:52.45 | XtypeWriter74 | asg, such as Kaffeine |
| 14:53.11 | sperfection83 | graytron: no, why ? |
| 14:53.12 | asg | XtypeWriter74: if it's an X program and you want to display it on Machine B (though it will be running on machine A), /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:53.13 | graytron | smacnay: add a system user and use it instead |
| 14:53.21 | graytron | smacnay: or group |
| 14:53.32 | smacnay | graytron: the -rwsr-xr-x shows suid... is there a way to allow user to run that? |
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| 14:53.39 | XtypeWriter74 | asg, thanx ;) |
| 14:58.31 | graytron | smacnay: well, now any user who runs xsane runs it with root permissions, which is very unsafe |
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| 14:58.31 | smacnay | graytron: yes, but that is how it was installed. |
| 14:58.31 | smacnay | graytron: I wonder what would happen if I changed the perms to rwxr-xr-x? |
| 14:58.32 | graytron | sperfection83: just wondering why your logrotate doesn't work (wasn't that what your problem was?) |
| 14:58.32 | graytron | smacnay: you might try anyway |
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| 14:58.32 | SerajewelKS | when i try to run grub-install --recheck /dev/sda1 i get this message: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. uhm, wtf? |
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| 14:58.34 | sperfection83 | graytron : I think I have something : I have just tried to run /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf and that's what I get : |
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| 14:58.34 | sperfection83 | error: error accessing /var/www/blog.eyeka.com/shared/log: No such file or directory |
| 14:58.34 | sperfection83 | error: mongrel:31 glob failed for /var/www/blog.eyeka.com/shared/log/*.log |
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| 14:59.52 | graytron | sperfection83: is your logrotate misconfigured then? trying to rotate files that do not exist |
| 15:00.27 | aFlag | hello, would someone know some text-based program that does something like the gnome monitor applet? |
| 15:01.01 | sperfection83 | graytron : why does it want to access /var/www whereas I have specified only "/var/log/apache2/*/access.log" in my /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 file !? |
| 15:01.02 | twb | Argh, I hate ubuntu |
| 15:01.09 | aFlag | that is, it tells me the bandwidth being used on eth0, and give me the amout of free memory, system load, everything in one single command |
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| 15:01.18 | twb | Can't use reportbug to talk to Debian's BTS :-/ |
| 15:01.38 | asg | aFlag: nload + top |
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| 15:02.10 | graytron | sperfection83: maybe some other file under /etc/logrotate.d/ references /var/www/blog.eyeka.com/shared/log/*.log |
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| 15:03.11 | graytron | twb: i think Debian's reportbug has had similar problems |
| 15:03.18 | smacnay | graytron: scanimage and xscanimage had perms rwxr-xr-x so I chmod'd /usr/bin/xsane to the same. Works. |
| 15:03.21 | twb | No, it's ubuntu's fault |
| 15:03.34 | sperfection83 | graytron, unfortunately no... |
| 15:03.40 | twb | Normally I'd just ssh to my home machine, but that's AWOL :-( |
| 15:03.43 | jetscreamer | reportbug blows |
| 15:03.49 | jetscreamer | to configure |
| 15:04.04 | twb | reportbug kicks the shit out of mule or whatever the launchpad.net thing is called |
| 15:04.26 | twb | It also is more convenient than, say, roundup |
| 15:04.29 | graytron | smacnay: it works now? |
| 15:04.38 | sperfection83 | graytron : hey you're right ! there is a /etc/logrotate.d/mongrel file which want to access to /var/www/blog.... |
| 15:05.06 | jetscreamer | no idea.. but if reportbug actually worked for me (pebkac i don't care it should 'just work'(tm)) i would have files a shitload more bugs |
| 15:05.19 | jetscreamer | s/files/filed/ |
| 15:05.27 | graytron | sperfection83: hope it starts working now |
| 15:05.41 | sperfection83 | graytron : :) great |
| 15:05.47 | sperfection83 | graytron : thx a lot |
| 15:05.55 | black12313 | oi who said the u word ? |
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| 15:06.50 | black12313 | mmm |
| 15:07.05 | graytron | sperfection83: np |
| 15:07.26 | black12313 | lol |
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| 15:11.21 | sperfection83 | graytron : it works ;) |
| 15:11.46 | black12313 | nice |
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| 15:12.23 | sperfection83 | have a nice day |
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| 15:14.36 | Downix | hola |
| 15:14.44 | black12313 | hla |
| 15:14.49 | black12313 | hola * |
| 15:15.43 | Downix | I'm trying to figure out how to manage a floppy install of debian... man it's been too long since I've delt with floppy disks |
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| 15:16.07 | MangosDebian | Downix: wtf is a floppy? |
| 15:16.17 | MangosDebian | usb? |
| 15:16.19 | Downix | **laughs** |
| 15:16.20 | black12313 | downix don't |
| 15:16.27 | Downix | no USB on the computer in question |
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| 15:16.35 | Downix | no CD, DVD, USB |
| 15:16.36 | black12313 | ... wtf |
| 15:16.42 | black12313 | what is it ? |
| 15:16.45 | Downix | yes, such beasts do stille xist |
| 15:16.48 | black12313 | a p 246 ? |
| 15:16.48 | MangosDebian | Downix: zomg! they make computers without usb?! |
| 15:16.49 | Downix | an antique laptop |
| 15:17.05 | black12313 | .... firewire ? |
| 15:17.08 | black12313 | net ? |
| 15:17.24 | Downix | no firewire, and I need to get a PC-Card for net |
| 15:17.31 | black12313 | omg |
| 15:17.44 | black12313 | dude floppy will not cut it |
| 15:17.49 | Coweater | yes it will |
| 15:17.51 | black12313 | lol |
| 15:17.53 | MangosDebian | wtf is a floppy already?! |
| 15:17.56 | Coweater | i did it two weeks ago |
| 15:18.02 | black12313 | how many will the guy need 1000 |
| 15:18.05 | black12313 | lol |
| 15:18.07 | Downix | Mangos: it's a storage medium popular before the rise of CD-ROM's |
| 15:18.15 | Downix | black: 4-5 IIRC |
| 15:18.22 | DustyBin | anyone here use a 2.6.21 + kernel? |
| 15:18.24 | Coweater | if it's a laptop i'm assuming he has a pcmcia nic |
| 15:18.27 | Downix | I've done it before, just been a few years |
| 15:18.27 | black12313 | 7 " silly |
| 15:18.46 | Downix | Coweater: yes, and picking up a PCMCIA network card for it tonight |
| 15:18.54 | MangosDebian | Downix: a CD rom?! is that like vinyl? |
| 15:19.07 | Downix | **laughs** |
| 15:19.13 | Coweater | i did it with woody because i only had 16 mb of ram, if you have more i think you can do sarge or etch |
| 15:19.16 | Downix | don't make me break out the cassette tape and TRS-80! |
| 15:19.22 | MangosDebian | ;) |
| 15:19.22 | Coweater | 24mb minimum for those iirc |
| 15:19.27 | Downix | Coweater: It has 40MB |
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| 15:20.17 | Downix | figured I'd get it running for my son |
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| 15:21.08 | Coweater | X will probably suck on it |
| 15:21.10 | DustyBin | i have a remote VPS and I would like to RSYNC that server to a HD on my home Desktop machine, If i run the Rsync dameon on my VPS it will open some ports, could that be a security issue? |
| 15:21.21 | Downix | I figure he doesn't need X |
| 15:21.41 | Downix | he's 5, all he wants it for is to goof off with |
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| 15:23.15 | black12313 | LOL |
| 15:23.25 | black12313 | whats ooonit now ? |
| 15:23.38 | Downix | OS/2 |
| 15:23.52 | black12313 | omg |
| 15:23.52 | hackmiker | hi I'm having trouble with apache. when I boot it says there's a socket already in use or something, and after booting if I access localhost, it says permission denied for any page, but if i pkill httpd and apache then run apache2ctl start it works |
| 15:23.53 | black12313 | lol |
| 15:24.06 | Downix | I used to use it for an old job of mine, which required OS/2 on a token ring |
| 15:24.11 | Downix | talk about scary |
| 15:24.22 | black12313 | os/2 - speech recognition ? |
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| 15:24.41 | Downix | no, they didn't introduce speech recognition till version 4 |
| 15:24.45 | Downix | this was version 3 |
| 15:25.01 | SerajewelKS | twb: got amd64 installed, working on getting dpkg back where it was |
| 15:25.13 | black12313 | mmm btw |
| 15:25.23 | black12313 | is there linux speech recog.. |
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| 15:25.31 | black12313 | mmm |
| 15:25.36 | Downix | I remember someone was working on that once |
| 15:25.39 | Downix | no idea how far he got |
| 15:25.49 | black12313 | should be far by now |
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| 15:26.08 | black12313 | hi bigpond user |
| 15:26.13 | black12313 | oahong ?> |
| 15:26.28 | oahong | ? |
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| 15:26.55 | Downix | http://sound.condorow.net/speech.html |
| 15:27.22 | apk | Is there an easy way to get java (sun-java5-jre) to use the SSL cert file generated by Debian's update-ca-certifictes? |
| 15:28.06 | black12313 | apk tied opening it up ? |
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| 15:28.42 | Downix | ok, time to get the disks |
| 15:28.46 | mehulved | hello |
| 15:29.00 | Downix | man I feel old, I remember my first slackware install (v3.0) back in the 90's |
| 15:29.18 | mehulved | url_rewriter is crashing when using squidGuard, in Etch. is that some known problem? |
| 15:30.00 | black12313 | yes now it is |
| 15:31.33 | mehulved | black12313, sorry but I am unable to find anything so far. as soon as I start squidGuard, squid stops. logs show that it is due to url_rewriter crashing |
| 15:31.49 | black12313 | oh ok |
| 15:31.52 | black12313 | why do you ened them |
| 15:31.59 | black12313 | why do you need url rewriter ? |
| 15:32.17 | black12313 | and squid gu.. at the same time ? |
| 15:32.23 | mehulved | black12313, for running squidGuard to block sites |
| 15:32.28 | black12313 | yeah |
| 15:32.46 | mehulved | black12313, I saw that you need to put this line in squid.conf |
| 15:32.47 | black12313 | and ... it might be possible that squid is already in use so when you open ... gua.. |
| 15:32.59 | mehulved | i will just get the line |
| 15:33.01 | black12313 | if your line doesn't work |
| 15:33.12 | black12313 | run another instance of squid |
| 15:33.36 | Downix | The only real issue with the laptop is how to get the eraser-mouse to work |
| 15:34.39 | mehulved | black12313, this is the line - > redirect_program /usr/local/bin/squidGuard -c /usr/local/squidGuard/squidGuard.conf |
| 15:34.44 | krifur | hello i have a pb with k3b when i try to burn some data (movies) this the error file http://pastebin.ca/653571 .Where the problem come from thx? |
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| 15:35.08 | mehulved | black12313, the error happens when restarting squid |
| 15:35.17 | black12313 | yeah only when restarting ? |
| 15:35.39 | mehulved | black12313, after adding that line squid fails to restart |
| 15:35.47 | xingu | mehulved: I gather you're not using the debian squidguard package. |
| 15:35.58 | mehulved | xingu, it's the debian package |
| 15:36.08 | xingu | in usr/local/bin? |
| 15:36.10 | black12313 | eh |
| 15:36.14 | black12313 | why are you doing that |
| 15:36.31 | black12313 | why ... doesn't suidguard run on top ? |
| 15:36.45 | mehulved | black12313, I followed http://squidguard.shalla.de/Doc/install.html |
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| 15:37.20 | black12313 | check the debian administrator stuff |
| 15:37.23 | black12313 | one sec |
| 15:37.40 | black12313 | wait is squidguard working |
| 15:37.43 | xingu | debian's squidgard package does not install to /usr/local |
| 15:37.45 | mehulved | xingu, it's in /usr/bin , and that's how my line looks too |
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| 15:38.00 | black12313 | well there you xingu |
| 15:38.06 | mehulved | xingu, the line I have looks like this |
| 15:38.07 | black12313 | you saved him |
| 15:38.35 | mehulved | redirect_program /usr/bin/squidGuard -C /etc/squid/squidGuard.conf |
| 15:38.43 | xingu | now we're talking |
| 15:39.08 | xingu | mehulved: is that -C or -c ? |
| 15:39.11 | black12313 | mmm is squidguard in /etc/squid ? |
| 15:39.21 | mehulved | xingu, capital C |
| 15:39.27 | xingu | mehulved: try lower c. |
| 15:39.33 | mehulved | xingu, all right |
| 15:39.53 | Ozux | hi, What's mean of unmet package? and is how can I fix it? (Google didn't kow about it!) |
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| 15:41.43 | black12313 | unmet .. it is not met |
| 15:41.46 | black12313 | no ? |
| 15:41.58 | black12313 | apt-cache search for it ? what is it ? |
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| 15:43.30 | liable | DavidProck: dont irc as root |
| 15:43.46 | black12313 | lol |
| 15:43.50 | black12313 | don't tell him that |
| 15:44.02 | black12313 | we got his ip already we can play a game with him |
| 15:44.11 | antgel | !lol |
| 15:44.11 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:44.21 | black12313 | what is rm -f / * |
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| 15:44.51 | black12313 | oi davidprock i got a q for you |
| 15:44.53 | mehulved | wow. that's a pretty funny command |
| 15:44.56 | mavhk | I prefer llol (literally laughing out loud, for when you actually are), and sqi (smiling quietly inside) |
| 15:44.58 | Bardak | i`ve a problem: Internal Error: Failed to inizialize Hal! |
| 15:45.21 | epsilon2 | cause your name isn't Dave |
| 15:45.30 | black12313 | what about LOL |
| 15:45.34 | black12313 | !lol |
| 15:45.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:45.42 | black12313 | good point !thankyou |
| 15:45.45 | black12313 | !thankyou |
| 15:45.45 | dpkg | no worries, black12313 |
| 15:45.49 | Roey | lol |
| 15:45.58 | black12313 | !bash rm-f |
| 15:46.00 | utopia_ | lol dpkg |
| 15:46.21 | utopia_ | just becas its an attemp to control human behaivour |
| 15:46.26 | utopia_ | attempt* |
| 15:46.47 | antgel | there is a culture in #debian |
| 15:46.51 | black12313 | eh no |
| 15:46.55 | black12313 | we HAVE CULTURE |
| 15:47.12 | black12313 | we are the civilised linuxers. Ubuntu people are just trash |
| 15:47.18 | black12313 | compared with us |
| 15:47.19 | SerajewelKS | when i do a dpkg --set-selections to copy the state of another install, is there a way to copy over the aptitude database of which packages were installed automatically? |
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| 15:48.05 | black12313 | OH GROW UP LC2 |
| 15:48.18 | Bardak | i`ve a problem: Internal Error: Failed to inizialize Hal! |
| 15:48.27 | Bardak | somebody can help me?! |
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| 15:48.34 | black12313 | wow your fucked |
| 15:48.35 | mehulved | xingu, ok. no errors this time but I will know on monday if it's working fine, I guess |
| 15:48.43 | antgel | !tell Bardak about ask |
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| 15:49.03 | antgel | !tell Bardak about smart question |
| 15:49.10 | mehulved | thanks black12313 xingu looks like it was just a stupid PEBKAC error after all |
| 15:49.22 | snowbird | the mill turn up today |
| 15:49.28 | xingu | mehulved: groovy. |
| 15:49.45 | black12313 | oi i did nothing |
| 15:49.48 | slidesinger | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 has the file /include/linux/version.h which is not included in linux-headers-2.6.21-2. Is this a bug or a design change? I have a program that I compile from source that is complaining about this file's absense. Finally, is there a way to put this file in? I looked at the one from linux-headers-2.6.18-4 and it is quite cryptic. |
| 15:49.52 | black12313 | except suggest you run another instance on it |
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| 15:49.58 | black12313 | if what you tried to do failed |
| 15:50.17 | mehulved | black12313, atleast you tried to help. that's good enough |
| 15:50.17 | black12313 | ... eh slide... that is testing right ? |
| 15:50.48 | mehulved | testing? nah. |
| 15:52.01 | antgel | !seen abrotman |
| 15:52.01 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 12h 7m 46s ago, saying: 'kenji: try it'. |
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| 15:52.31 | Bardak | antgel: i've a problem with debian. i use the testing version. the error is: Internal error: Failed to initialize Hal! |
| 15:52.51 | Dewi | is there some good software for sync'ing directories over scp/sftp/ftp ? |
| 15:52.53 | black12313 | bardak is it booting ? |
| 15:53.02 | Dewi | rsync is, unfortunately, nto always an option |
| 15:53.03 | black12313 | like finishing init ? |
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| 15:53.44 | antgel | Bardak: you didn't say what you were trying to do. you didn't paste much more info. you didn't say if you checked the bts. you didn't say if you searched the web. you didn't say much. you repeated your earlier uninformative comment. sorry i can't help if you don't give more info |
| 15:53.50 | liable | Dewi: if you can it over ssh, why is rsync not an option? |
| 15:54.06 | Dewi | liable: because it doesn't exist on the server |
| 15:54.11 | Dewi | liable: and I don't have a compiler there |
| 15:54.18 | Bardak | black12313: yes |
| 15:54.20 | Dewi | liable: and running the binary from debian didn't just work |
| 15:54.27 | black12313 | so your using the computer now ? |
| 15:54.40 | black12313 | what is the problem if hal isn't working and your computer is ? |
| 15:54.59 | Dewi | liable: I'm stuck in a very restrictive plesk shell |
| 15:55.17 | Bardak | black12313: i don't know |
| 15:55.19 | liable | oh |
| 15:55.50 | Bardak | when i go to gdm login, after the login he give me this error.. |
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| 15:56.17 | p_masho | anyone know a goor etch repository.. am urpgarading from sarge.. this url aint got etch within it http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian// |
| 15:56.21 | Dewi | liable: I mean... it was nice enough to run my rsync binary... but what would I have to do to build one that was monolithic enough? also I wonder about ABI issues with libc and stuff... |
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| 15:56.46 | cast | --static |
| 15:56.57 | p_masho | Stupid question.. does apt-get know whether its amd_64 or does this need to be part of the url ? |
| 15:57.07 | cast | p_masho: apt knows. |
| 15:57.11 | black12313 | i see no problem bar |
| 15:57.16 | liable | Dewi: ya, as cast said, static linking |
| 15:57.19 | black12313 | it's just a message your using testing that is what you get for using it |
| 15:57.21 | black12313 | lol |
| 15:57.26 | black12313 | oh ops hahaha |
| 15:57.49 | Dewi | liable: is that "everything but the kernel" |
| 15:57.49 | snowbird | liable do u sleep |
| 15:58.08 | Dewi | cast: would I normally look for that on make or configure? |
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| 15:58.17 | xingu | jelly-home: you about today? |
| 15:58.23 | liable | Dewi: just libs it needs, i've not actually compiled one myself though, never had the need |
| 15:58.42 | liable | snowbird: sure, just not right now |
| 15:58.43 | Dewi | liable: would it include libc? |
| 15:59.06 | liable | Dewi: if rsync needs it, which i guess it would, i spose |
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| 16:00.39 | MalMen | please |
| 16:00.40 | MalMen | help |
| 16:00.46 | MalMen | i am here with a seriouse problem |
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| 16:00.57 | MalMen | my apt-get not install apache2 |
| 16:01.07 | ErichK | Does anyone know how I can get my Lexmark z705 working in Linux? |
| 16:01.07 | MalMen | not install the default modulues |
| 16:01.08 | MalMen | ect... |
| 16:01.24 | liable | apache2.2-common has the modules |
| 16:01.42 | MalMen | liable that is installed |
| 16:02.11 | liable | good, then you should have the modules |
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| 16:02.15 | MalMen | pepsrv:~# ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/ |
| 16:02.15 | MalMen | disk_cache.conf |
| 16:02.23 | MalMen | only that module |
| 16:02.25 | MalMen | :X |
| 16:02.28 | MalMen | not mod-access |
| 16:02.29 | MalMen | nothing |
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| 16:03.11 | liable | MalMen: so what did you dlete to get this problem? |
| 16:03.25 | cast | Dewi: not sure what the correct way to do things would be, i'd think to look at setting CFLAGS |
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| 16:03.55 | MalMen | i dont know |
| 16:03.59 | Dewi | cast: I don't think there is a correct way to do this |
| 16:04.19 | Dewi | cast: what tool accepts --static ? |
| 16:04.24 | cast | gcc |
| 16:04.33 | Dewi | oh. |
| 16:04.38 | Dewi | I don't... invoke that. |
| 16:04.43 | liable | MalMen: what does a2enmod say? |
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| 16:04.54 | MalMen | Your choices are: ls: /etc/apache2/mods-available/*.load: No such file or directory |
| 16:05.05 | cast | hence CFLAGS |
| 16:05.27 | taime1 | my box at home is sitting at the gdm screen. i can ssh into my box, but how can i get gnome started so that i can use vnc? |
| 16:05.33 | liable | MalMen: so you dleted stuff in your apache directory i take it? |
| 16:05.43 | MalMen | yes |
| 16:05.49 | MalMen | i try install apache2 |
| 16:05.53 | MalMen | after that i install apache1.3 |
| 16:05.53 | black12313 | oh taime |
| 16:05.54 | twb | Argh, NFS you magnificent fuck. |
| 16:05.57 | black12313 | user vn4server |
| 16:05.58 | MalMen | and remove aopache2 |
| 16:06.00 | black12313 | use * |
| 16:06.03 | liable | MalMen: why didnt you just say that the firat time? |
| 16:06.07 | liable | !confmiss |
| 16:06.07 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:06.08 | twb | How do I force nfs to not suck at file locking? |
| 16:06.13 | MalMen | but now i have problems with apache 1 and i am trying to install apache2 |
| 16:06.15 | xingu | twb: enjoying your weekend there? :) |
| 16:06.27 | twb | xingu: I'm in the office working because I can't do so from home :-/ |
| 16:06.27 | liable | MalMen: see what dpkg said, reinstall apache2.2-common with that command |
| 16:06.37 | twb | And I don't have root on the app server. |
| 16:06.50 | twb | Oh, I take it back |
| 16:06.51 | black12313 | lol |
| 16:06.56 | twb | It's entirely sshfs' fault |
| 16:07.00 | xingu | twb: hazy memory says - nfs4 has differently different locking guarantees than nfs2 |
| 16:07.08 | twb | I'm using v3 |
| 16:07.17 | twb | nfs4 is not really usable on our network |
| 16:07.24 | twb | darcs: takeLock /srv/bzr/cyber/sbls/trimclient/transmuter-0.0/_darcs/lock in /srv/bzr/cyber/sbls/trimclient/transmuter-0.0: atomic_create /srv/bzr/cyber/sbls/trimclient/transmuter-0.0/_darcs/lock in /srv/bzr/cyber/sbls/trimclient/transmuter-0.0: unsupported operation (Function not implemented) |
| 16:07.28 | Dewi | cast: so far so good. Thanks. |
| 16:07.42 | twb | See, it's sshfs' fault. /srv/bzr is sshfs. |
| 16:08.26 | black12313 | ;oi don't blame ssh |
| 16:08.37 | xingu | twb: hazy memory wins; nfs4 introduces anticipatory locking, the lack of which is often /why/ nfs locking sucks |
| 16:08.47 | snowbird | laible i l send u kitty cat to warm bed |
| 16:09.34 | xingu | twb: oh, you're re-exporting a nfs filesystem? ${deity} help you. :) |
| 16:09.47 | liable | err, i think i'll be ok without your pussy for tonight |
| 16:10.02 | twb | liable: you say that now |
| 16:10.29 | liable | i only said tonight! |
| 16:10.32 | xingu | twb: that's a pretty good way to trigger (io, process) scheduling corner cases too; thought about a storage redesign? export a san lv ? |
| 16:10.37 | taime1 | !ops |
| 16:10.37 | dpkg | hmm... ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 16:10.43 | taime1 | sorry, wrong screen |
| 16:10.45 | cast | nfsv4 is supported and works well in etch, right? |
| 16:10.51 | black12313 | i think so |
| 16:11.04 | twb | cast: you have to fuck about with authentication, because NFSv4 actually tries to be secure |
| 16:11.14 | xingu | cast: haven't stressed it; basic interop linux/sol10 works. |
| 16:11.26 | cast | you can't run it without kerebos? |
| 16:11.30 | MalMen | liable very thabnks |
| 16:11.33 | MalMen | now need a php |
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| 16:11.38 | MalMen | i install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 16:11.46 | MalMen | and it now show in a2enmod |
| 16:12.02 | snowbird | liable whats that gnome network monitor |
| 16:12.18 | liable | snowbird: use the kde one i mentioned the other day. |
| 16:12.30 | liable | snowbird: google kde network monitor |
| 16:12.46 | Dewi | liable / cast : wow. I appear to be winning... rsync is transferring files pretty much as normal. Thanks so much for that, guys |
| 16:13.00 | Dewi | it was just "make |
| 16:13.01 | Dewi | CFLAGS="-static" |
| 16:13.02 | Dewi | " |
| 16:13.06 | snowbird | ok |
| 16:13.08 | liable | \o/ |
| 16:13.10 | cast | Dewi: awesome :) |
| 16:13.12 | Dewi | if you can parse my crazy late-night quotes |
| 16:13.29 | snowbird | ive got it written don i think on outer desk |
| 16:13.52 | black12313 | yeah go for it |
| 16:13.55 | black12313 | it's morning here |
| 16:14.06 | Dewi | . o O ( For a developer, I'm really really uncomfortable with the linux build environment. Sigh. ) |
| 16:14.08 | MalMen | php5 solved |
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| 16:14.53 | black12313 | eh i don't get it dewi |
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| 16:14.59 | black12313 | bad joke ? |
| 16:15.06 | liable | debian certainly wont help you there either ;) |
| 16:15.28 | paxcoder | btw. what are you guys usinga as a bittorent client? |
| 16:15.32 | zonguldakl1 | meraba |
| 16:15.36 | paxcoder | nothing good on debian |
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| 16:15.49 | paxcoder | meraba? never heard of it, is it any good? |
| 16:15.51 | snowbird | laible u one lenny |
| 16:15.51 | MalMen | http://pastebin.com/m5e5b2a26 |
| 16:16.05 | paxcoder | what's that link? |
| 16:16.15 | snowbird | k torent opens upports on own |
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| 16:16.30 | black12313 | yeah it's called plug and pray and |
| 16:16.46 | paxcoder | what's k torrent? |
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| 16:16.57 | black12313 | ktorrent i htink he meant |
| 16:16.58 | xingu | cast: gimme a few to run a test case, hazy memory says it's possible but counterintuitive. |
| 16:17.13 | paxcoder | why isn't there any good client in stabile? |
| 16:17.18 | black12313 | upnp - check it's enabled... |
| 16:17.25 | black12313 | there is |
| 16:17.27 | black12313 | ktorrent is good |
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| 16:17.40 | paxcoder | only azureus, which lags with GJC (needs Java, and we don't wanna go there) |
| 16:17.57 | twb | azureus blows huge chunks of dead goat |
| 16:18.03 | paxcoder | black12313: ok, will try |
| 16:18.15 | cast | rtorrent i be likely |
| 16:18.24 | jetscreamer | esp since the default java permissions let azureus take a screenshot of your desktop with an illegal torrent going and attempt to put it up, and a log, as a new torrent |
| 16:18.29 | phorce1 | paxcoder: I use rtorrent |
| 16:18.29 | black12313 | dude ktorrent owns |
| 16:18.31 | paxcoder | "blows huge chunks of dead goat". I'm not english or american, but i don't think many understand this |
| 16:18.31 | twb | Yes, rtorrent seeme dto have promise |
| 16:18.39 | twb | paxcoder: it means "is bad" |
| 16:18.40 | black12313 | you can get the blocklists and stuff |
| 16:18.44 | black12313 | )takes a while tho) |
| 16:18.52 | paxcoder | do rtorrent and ktorrent have multi-torrent support? |
| 16:18.57 | snowbird | black it ask for that plug in and poof it goes on then u seet tracker to match what it made open in first line |
| 16:19.02 | snowbird | yeah |
| 16:19.04 | cast | rtorrent certainly does |
| 16:19.09 | twb | However the only things you can find on bt are things other people like. |
| 16:19.11 | snowbird | k torent does tooo |
| 16:19.15 | slidesinger | You know, I can't tell you how many times just asking the question in here gives me the anwer. I read my own question and often see the problem from an entirely new perspective. |
| 16:19.26 | twb | Which means that if you like art house films instead of blockbusters, for example, it's pretty damn useless |
| 16:19.27 | black12313 | TWB TAKE THAT BACK |
| 16:19.41 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:19.42 | black12313 | OI TWB |
| 16:19.45 | black12313 | that is a lie |
| 16:19.48 | paxcoder | oh, sorry K torrent (forgot). GNOME only |
| 16:19.56 | black12313 | check the top torrents |
| 16:19.59 | jetscreamer | who the hell torrents stuff nobody wants? :) |
| 16:20.00 | cast | ktorrent will run fine in gnome |
| 16:20.07 | black12313 | yeah i'm doing it right now |
| 16:20.10 | paxcoder | just don't want it |
| 16:20.15 | paxcoder | rtorrent? |
| 16:20.16 | black12313 | - oi twb get taxi the french version |
| 16:20.20 | paxcoder | is it only shell? |
| 16:20.21 | black12313 | - it's goodish |
| 16:20.24 | jelly-home | xingu: aye |
| 16:20.34 | cast | paxcoder: all the best programs are :) |
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| 16:20.47 | jetscreamer | heh in dusk to dawn 2 they had the guy doing the 'you talking to me?' in spanish |
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| 16:21.05 | MalMen | liable thanks that works, now i have another problem http://pastebin.com/m5e5b2a26 <- i not found any module for that on my list, i think that need mod_Access |
| 16:21.06 | jetscreamer | oh that was taxi driver nm |
| 16:21.11 | black12313 | nar |
| 16:21.14 | black12313 | taxi - 1998 i think |
| 16:21.21 | black12313 | french not the silly american version |
| 16:21.25 | paxcoder | WARNING TO ALL: Stay away from BItswash, or you'll be sorry. I warned you. |
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| 16:21.38 | twb | black12313: that sounds like a shitty action film |
| 16:21.40 | snowbird | liable for stch stable should sorces stil be sarge |
| 16:21.45 | phorce1 | paxcoder: I don't know if rtorrent has a gui front end. I only use it in shell |
| 16:21.59 | black12313 | it is |
| 16:22.00 | twb | jetscreamer: I assume he means _Taxi_, not _Taxi Driver_. |
| 16:22.05 | paxcoder | phorce1: I think I'm gonna do the same |
| 16:22.08 | black12313 | but it's absolutely brilliant |
| 16:22.08 | paxcoder | but that sucks |
| 16:22.10 | twb | jetscreamer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_%281998_film%29 |
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| 16:22.16 | black12313 | i mean taxi |
| 16:22.22 | xingu | jelly-home: re: cpufreq evilness; oldish silicon has nonatomic tsc update while in smm (ie, moving between p states) |
| 16:22.28 | paxcoder | I mean no real gui torrent in gnome |
| 16:22.30 | black12313 | yeah it's so silly it's brilliant |
| 16:22.38 | xingu | jelly-home: ie, cpufreq == clock jitter on such hardware. :) |
| 16:22.44 | black12313 | Daniel (Naceri), who initially works as a pizza delivery boy, but changes jobs to become a taxi driver. With a supercharged engine he eludes the police while quickly transporting his fares to their destinations. Finally caught by the police for a huge speed infraction, he is forced to help Emilien (Frédéric Diefenthal), a down on his luck police inspector on the trail of German bank robbers. Trying to juggle a budding relationship with |
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| 16:22.52 | SoulChild | I need HELP it's very very urgent |
| 16:22.56 | taime1 | my box at home is sitting at the gdm screen. i can ssh into my box, but how can i get gnome started so that i can use vnc? |
| 16:22.59 | paxcoder | (actualy, there's Deluge, but not on debian (needs newer PyGTK+ and I failed to install it)) |
| 16:23.05 | jetscreamer | twb: i figured that out and ack-knowledgeded it |
| 16:23.06 | phorce1 | paxcoder: doesn't really suck. Why load up all the extra resources for a program that you want to run as fast as possible? |
| 16:23.07 | jelly-home | xingu: so tsc jumps around? Even on uniprocessor? |
| 16:23.11 | cast | SoulChild: well shit you better hire someone then. |
| 16:23.14 | xingu | jelly-home: yep. |
| 16:23.31 | SoulChild | I backed up my whole system into a tar.gz file ,... but now when trying to untar it says: gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated |
| 16:23.45 | paxcoder | phorce1 I don't say it sucks. I say it sucks that we don't have more clients to choose from |
| 16:23.52 | jetscreamer | what are you untarring it with, the command |
| 16:23.53 | liable | black12313: wtf? |
| 16:23.54 | black12313 | ktorrent ... |
| 16:23.57 | phorce1 | paxcoder: Plus, if you also use screen and ssh you can get to rtorrent from anywhere. |
| 16:23.59 | black12313 | oh i'm posting movies now |
| 16:24.04 | SoulChild | i restored my system a lot of times ,.. so it must be that somethings wrong with the file |
| 16:24.07 | black12313 | i'm about to shut up about it |
| 16:24.14 | liable | snowbird: what? |
| 16:24.16 | cast | taime1: i accomplished starting gnome remotely with xnest and x over the network, there are instructions around the net |
| 16:24.26 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.51 | SoulChild | jetscreamer: tar xvpfz file -C dirtoextract |
| 16:24.57 | snowbird | liable my sorces stil are mostly sarge not etch |
| 16:25.03 | phorce1 | paxcoder: The down speed on my home internet connection is faster that at work so I just ssh to the home box to grab any really big torrents then transfer them to work on a USB drive. |
| 16:25.22 | paxcoder | phorce1: It's ok. But having too many of terminals screens isn't practical either |
| 16:25.26 | black12313 | 1 sec |
| 16:25.47 | paxcoder | phorce1: OK, OK, I'll install it :-D |
| 16:26.38 | paxcoder | stupid Bitswash. It's a bug that pretends to be a program (kinda like win :-) ) |
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| 16:26.49 | DustyBin | If you are going to RSYNC mirror a remote server, that means you will need have access it via root? |
| 16:26.55 | SoulChild | is it possible to repair a tar.gz file ? |
| 16:27.18 | Dewi | SoulChild: it's not at all easy |
| 16:27.21 | phorce1 | paxcoder: 1 screen for rtorrent plus 1 for whatever else you need to do. I just automatically type "screen -dR" when I sit down at any of my Debin boxes because they all have screen running all the time. |
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| 16:27.50 | paxcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.51 | SoulChild | F*** so my whole debian system is gone ,... i needed 5 month to get it configured that perfekt |
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| 16:27.59 | cast | DustyBin: you mean you want to rsync / on a remote host, with the remote host as the source and localhost the destination? |
| 16:28.19 | DustyBin | yes |
| 16:28.37 | paxcoder | phorce1 what's "screen -dR"? |
| 16:28.44 | phorce1 | paxcoder: 'screen' lets you open multiple terminals in a single console login. |
| 16:28.45 | cast | DustyBin: you'll need root. i'm not sure how rsync will deal with the contents of /dev, but you need root to read /etc/shadow etc.. |
| 16:28.51 | Dewi | SoulChild: where's the non-backup copy? |
| 16:29.04 | phorce1 | paxcoder: apt-get install screen the read the man page |
| 16:29.09 | paxcoder | phorce1 I'm not sure I understand |
| 16:29.11 | jetscreamer | SoulChild: just restore from backup... you know, that backup you make everynight... |
| 16:29.13 | slidesinger | Actually, windows is just like Debian....... |
| 16:29.17 | xingu | cast: yes, nfs4 without kerberos; in solaris speak, share ... -o sec=sys |
| 16:29.19 | slidesinger | Provided that you configure apt to always update automatically (a bad thing), use icewm with the fakewindows theme...... a |
| 16:29.25 | slidesinger | and configure the machine to reboot randomly. |
| 16:29.34 | xingu | cast: ie, you need to configure the server for AUTH_SYS security model. |
| 16:29.42 | Dewi | jetscreamer: ... |
| 16:29.54 | DustyBin | cast: maybe I should do it the other way round, execute the rsync command on the remote box and let the source be this machine |
| 16:30.33 | SoulChild | Dewi: the non backup copy had been formated to test gentoo |
| 16:30.36 | xand | DustyBin: you need to be root on both machiens |
| 16:30.42 | SoulChild | jetscreamer: what do u mean ? |
| 16:30.46 | phorce1 | paxcoder: You can run console apps inside 'screen' then exit out of the 'screen' program and log out of the machine and they keep running. Then you go to another machine, ssh into the original machine, run screen again, and everything you had running in console is still there |
| 16:30.47 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 16:30.53 | xand | !u |
| 16:30.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:30.54 | cast | xingu: so how does one mount such a share? does AUTH_SYS mean one needs a passwd? or is it just the old style NFSv3 way of operating |
| 16:31.00 | DustyBin | xand: why do I need to be root for the destination? |
| 16:31.01 | black12313 | oi song |
| 16:31.05 | black12313 | ops i mean snow |
| 16:31.10 | xand | DustyBin: to create files owned by root |
| 16:31.15 | DustyBin | I see |
| 16:31.28 | paxcoder | phorce1: "and they keep running" That sounds dangereus |
| 16:31.44 | paxcoder | *dangerous |
| 16:31.50 | black12313 | hello snowy |
| 16:32.04 | DustyBin | I disabled root access from the ssh configs, now I'll have to turn them back on :-S |
| 16:32.09 | black12313 | !msn |
| 16:32.09 | dpkg | msn is probably an abreviation for Microsoft Network. A nasty place where either the incredibaly stupid, or incredibably rich like. apparently now being used to mean just the instant messenger service |
| 16:32.15 | black12313 | LOL |
| 16:32.20 | slidesinger | SoulChild: if you're too lazy to type out the word you, you can configure text replacement to do it for you. Of course that won't help when you type emails and other professional documents. |
| 16:32.30 | xingu | cast: security model is known to the client during connect; no specific options needed; AUTH_SYS is effectively the nfs3 security model (username,group sent on wire in cleartext, server maps to local uid and performs access control) |
| 16:32.54 | black12313 | SNOWBIRED where for art thou ? |
| 16:33.00 | xingu | cast: solaris manpage on nfssec is relevant |
| 16:33.01 | DustyBin | xand: I think its time to setup root access via public key only.. |
| 16:33.02 | paxcoder | !ssh |
| 16:33.02 | dpkg | methinks ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 16:33.10 | paxcoder | !! |
| 16:33.10 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 16:33.12 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 16:33.14 | xand | DustyBin: yes that's better than password |
| 16:33.14 | phorce1 | paxcoder: not for something like rtorrent if you're pulling a big file. If you start it in a regular console then log out it quits and the download/upload stops. |
| 16:33.31 | xingu | cast: obviously AUTH_SYS is inappropriate for hostile transports. |
| 16:33.33 | phorce1 | brb -- customer |
| 16:33.40 | cast | xingu: roger, reading manpage |
| 16:33.47 | paxcoder | phorce1: what? |
| 16:34.08 | paxcoder | i didn't get it |
| 16:34.17 | paxcoder | !dpkg |
| 16:34.18 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 16:34.23 | Dewi | paxcoder: dangerous to have software that doesn't die suddenly if your terminal gets separated from the server? |
| 16:34.24 | paxcoder | !you |
| 16:34.24 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 16:34.42 | xand | dpkg: isn't it you? |
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| 16:35.09 | paxcoder | !Dewi |
| 16:35.21 | kalve | Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 24.0 in real TAO mode for single session. |
| 16:35.21 | kalve | Last chance to quit, starting real write 0 seconds. Operation starts. |
| 16:35.21 | paxcoder | !me |
| 16:35.28 | xand | enough |
| 16:35.30 | paxcoder | sorry guys |
| 16:35.36 | kalve | shouldn't there be any more output after this when it's burning? |
| 16:35.37 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 16:35.38 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 16:35.38 | paxcoder | i just found that out |
| 16:35.41 | MalMen | how can i know what is the port using tcp6 0 0 www.hdd.com.pt:www 89-180-135-157.net:3360 FIN_WAIT2 |
| 16:35.42 | xand | kalve: no |
| 16:35.44 | MalMen | ? |
| 16:35.48 | MalMen | i need kill that progress |
| 16:35.55 | jetscreamer | process |
| 16:36.13 | MalMen | htat |
| 16:36.16 | MalMen | i need to kill that now |
| 16:36.17 | MalMen | :X |
| 16:36.18 | paxcoder | i can pm with dpkg. lol |
| 16:36.28 | jetscreamer | or /join #debian-bots |
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| 16:36.53 | cast | MalMen: netstat has an option to list pid/program |
| 16:37.12 | paxcoder | what's in #debian-bots? |
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| 16:37.21 | paxcoder | i mean, what's it for? |
| 16:37.26 | xand | netstat -p |
| 16:37.30 | MalMen | cast you know what is that option ? |
| 16:37.31 | xand | paxcoder: join it and see |
| 16:37.44 | xand | MalMen: netstat -p as root |
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| 16:38.06 | black12313 | good |
| 16:38.11 | xand | actually, netstat -plunt |
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| 16:38.56 | p_masho | which is best to install ipchains ot iptables ? |
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| 16:39.03 | MalMen | xand show tcp6 0 0 www.hdd.com.pt:www rev-88-157-52-181.:2048 TIME_WAIT - |
| 16:39.38 | MalMen | not show the program :| |
| 16:39.52 | paxcoder | oh, yeah. i forgot why i got here. Is it normal that root has it's own desktop? I mean, is it by default that he has in his home folder named Desktop? |
| 16:39.59 | xand | p_masho: iptables |
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| 16:40.04 | black12313 | why not ? |
| 16:40.26 | paxcoder | because gdm for root isn't enabled |
| 16:40.29 | paxcoder | so, why? |
| 16:40.54 | MalMen | i am root |
| 16:40.55 | MalMen | pepsrv:/etc/apache2# |
| 16:41.03 | jetscreamer | enable it |
| 16:41.09 | jetscreamer | not like it's hard |
| 16:41.10 | paxcoder | ^haha root :-) noob |
| 16:41.18 | xand | MalMen: try netstat -punt | grep www |
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| 16:44.35 | paxcoder | jetscreamer: maan, not gonna enable it. this is not suse. we're all smart folks here |
| 16:44.35 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 16:44.45 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:44.48 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:44.55 | paxcoder | SuSE |
| 16:45.00 | SerajewelKS | twb: you were saying that there's nothing in /var i need to keep? |
| 16:45.05 | paxcoder | has root by default |
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| 16:45.07 | jetscreamer | no i forgot what you were responding to |
| 16:45.35 | jetscreamer | that gdm doesn't let root log in by default is relatively new iirc |
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| 16:45.43 | jetscreamer | not sure but iirc |
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| 16:45.53 | SerajewelKS | twb: or that there shouldn't be? ... because that's where mysql keeps databases... |
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| 16:47.14 | paxcoder | jetscreamer: iirc? |
| 16:47.43 | SoulChild | Please,.. i need to repair a tar.gz file ,.. 6 month work are stored in there ! |
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| 16:48.50 | phorce1 | paxcoder: If I Recall Correctly |
| 16:49.00 | phorce1 | paxcoder: (iirc) |
| 16:49.12 | brainsail | can I manage multiple versions of the same kernel module with symbolic links in /lib/modules... or is there something else to do? |
| 16:49.17 | kek | SerajewelKS: /var just means that the contents vary during operation, not that the files are not essential |
| 16:49.23 | liable | why the hell did they make these other aptitude scripts ot bins? now i have to press space after tab completing it |
| 16:49.27 | paxcoder | phorce1: oh, thx |
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| 16:51.37 | paxcoder | I like this: |
| 16:51.41 | paxcoder | !opensource |
| 16:51.41 | dpkg | sorry i only talk about free software |
| 16:51.50 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 16:52.13 | black12313 | !opensource |
| 16:52.13 | dpkg | sorry i only talk about free software |
| 16:52.16 | black12313 | i don't get it |
| 16:52.19 | black12313 | !free software |
| 16:52.19 | dpkg | somebody said free software was at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, or "Linus is in Finland and I am in The Netherlands. Are we reaching a situation where another critical industry, free software, that had been totally dominated by the U.S. is being taken over by the foreign competition?" - Andy Tanenbaum, Feb 1992. . Software Freedom Day is August 28th |
| 16:52.23 | kek | !shareware |
| 16:52.23 | dpkg | somebody said shareware was closed-source software which you can try before you pay for it, thus classing under non-free. xv is a shareware package. |
| 16:52.49 | black12313 | !omg |
| 16:52.49 | dpkg | [omg] what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 16:52.56 | black12313 | !feck |
| 16:52.56 | dpkg | methinks feck is fuck in irish |
| 16:52.57 | phorce1 | That was the mailman at the door. My new dual gigabit NIC arrived. Now just waiting for one cable to complete the final hardware arrangement on the E450 |
| 16:53.05 | xand | black12313: that's quite enough |
| 16:53.24 | paxcoder | !E450 |
| 16:53.29 | paxcoder | ;-) |
| 16:53.30 | xand | it's a sun machine |
| 16:53.41 | paxcoder | it produces sun rays? |
| 16:53.49 | xand | you can use it with sunrays |
| 16:54.12 | paxcoder | ok i really don't know what it is, so don't confuse me :-) |
| 16:54.58 | phorce1 | paxcoder: http://www.b2net.co.uk/i/sun_enterprise_450.jpg |
| 16:55.12 | taime1 | how do you forward an xsession in ssh? |
| 16:55.26 | paxcoder | yeey |
| 16:56.06 | black12313 | set it up |
| 16:56.09 | black12313 | got an x client ? |
| 16:56.11 | kek | ssh -X |
| 16:56.57 | simonrvn | !x forward |
| 16:56.59 | taime1 | x client? |
| 16:57.04 | p_masho | which package is the locate/updatedb in ? |
| 16:57.09 | DawnLight | taime1: you want to tunnel vnc through ssh? |
| 16:57.14 | phorce1 | that photo doesn't really give scale to show just how big it is paxcoder ---> here, try this http://www.cenapad.unicamp.br/CENAPAD/parcerias/maqbio2.jpg |
| 16:57.18 | paxcoder | @simonrvn :-D LOOOL |
| 16:57.29 | paxcoder | good one |
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| 16:57.38 | simonrvn | ? |
| 16:57.40 | marantis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.43 | taime1 | DawnLight: what i want to do, is start gnome so i can use my vnc session |
| 16:57.54 | kek | p_masho: dpkg -S `which locate` |
| 16:57.57 | simonrvn | !ssh x11 forwarding |
| 16:57.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh x11 forwarding is turned on in the client with "ssh -X" or by setting "ForwardX11 yes" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config. On the server /etc/ssh/sshd_config must have "X11Forwarding yes" turned on. |
| 16:58.02 | kek | p_masho: i think |
| 16:58.12 | p_masho | kek -- ta found it "fundutils" |
| 16:58.28 | paxcoder | simonrvn: maby ttys aren't up |
| 16:58.33 | p_masho | the other thing is I installed php5 but the "command line" php is not there ? |
| 16:58.35 | paxcoder | (other than 7) |
| 16:58.43 | paxcoder | the second part... dunno |
| 16:58.53 | xand | p_masho: its a seperate package |
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| 16:59.04 | phorce1 | p_masho: did you also install php5-cli? |
| 16:59.13 | marantis | it's the gnome tty that becomes all blank |
| 16:59.13 | paxcoder | (I know, that was a stupid answer, but maby somebody else answers it now) |
| 16:59.14 | simonrvn | paxcoder: fix your tab key |
| 16:59.18 | marantis | i literally get a white screen |
| 16:59.30 | paxcoder | simonrvn, sry? |
| 16:59.46 | paxcoder | TABTAB |
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| 16:59.58 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 17:00.07 | marantis | any help on my question ? |
| 17:00.10 | marantis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.15 | disorder | p_masho: slocate is secure locate |
| 17:00.19 | p_masho | phorce1: yep isntalled it ta.. strange though it dodnt appear with "apt-cache search php5" |
| 17:00.36 | xand | !tell marantis about repeat |
| 17:00.47 | simonrvn | marantis: problem with your video card? |
| 17:01.12 | DawnLight | taime1: you want to start gnome on the server? |
| 17:01.16 | marantis | simonrvn, would you suggest any troubleshooting or diagnosis steps |
| 17:01.17 | marantis | ? |
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| 17:01.29 | DavidProck1981 | hay what is the [n= & [i= after my nick |
| 17:01.37 | DavidProck1981 | whaty does it mean |
| 17:01.40 | phorce1 | p_masho: it does for me, right under php5-cgi in the list |
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| 17:01.42 | simonrvn | see if it's overheating? |
| 17:01.42 | DavidProck1981 | what is the difference |
| 17:01.51 | simonrvn | DavidProck1981: ident |
| 17:01.55 | liable | identd |
| 17:02.05 | xand | it's an i not a 1 |
| 17:02.10 | xand | oh |
| 17:02.13 | xand | BAH |
| 17:02.17 | simonrvn | i means identd replied with a positive hit, n not |
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| 17:02.22 | DavidProck1981 | then what is the n= |
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| 17:02.28 | liable | your user name |
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| 17:02.54 | Phil4 | hey guys, anyone know about a solution to this: http://pastebin.ca/653626 |
| 17:02.56 | Phil4 | ? |
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| 17:03.16 | DavidProck1981 | ok when i come back tell me if i have a n= or i= ok? |
| 17:03.43 | phorce1 | marantis: it's the video card or the X driver you have selected for it. It is unable to properly switch between graphics and text modes. Either stay in X and use xterm for all cli needs or start googling around for info on your specific video card. |
| 17:04.04 | xand | look yourself |
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| 17:05.10 | DavidProck1981 | so is it the i= |
| 17:05.30 | xand | /whois DavidProck1981 |
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| 17:07.23 | snowbird | what are privecy extensions |
| 17:07.52 | DavidProck1981 | xand /whois (me) did not do any thing |
| 17:08.04 | SoulChild | how to repair a tar.gz file?? i get: "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated tar: Child returned status 1" |
| 17:09.26 | dondelelcaro | SoulChild: you restore it from a backup or similar, generally. |
| 17:09.52 | phorce1 | DavidProck1981: what irc client are you using? |
| 17:09.56 | SoulChild | dondelelcaro: yes it is my whole debian system backed up with tar |
| 17:10.35 | SoulChild | dondelelcaro: i get this error when unpacking with tar |
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| 17:11.03 | black12313 | !apt-get clean |
| 17:11.04 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-get clean is clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files |
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| 17:11.28 | black12313 | !apt-get fix |
| 17:11.32 | rue_house | the oss-compat package I'm trying to install didn't know it was dependant on module-init-tools creating /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 17:11.59 | rue_house | and there we go, now oss-compat and mpg123 are in and happy |
| 17:12.12 | rue_house | I call that a bug in oss-compat |
| 17:12.14 | DavidProck1981 | YO, i just did /msg dpkg nvidia and i did not get a responce, how to do so useing irssi??? |
| 17:12.14 | phorce1 | SoulChild: are you sure it's compressed with gzip? try using a 'j' instead of a 'z' on the tar command line (uses bzip2 instead of gzip) and also try without either (in case it's been un-gzipped already). |
| 17:12.41 | Phil4 | hey guys, anyone know about a solution to this: http://pastebin.ca/653626? |
| 17:13.15 | xand | DavidProck1981: /query dpkg |
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| 17:13.29 | xand | SoulChild: also "file" it |
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| 17:13.32 | SoulChild | phorce1: i am very sure ,.. cause tar starts unzipping but than ends up in this error |
| 17:13.41 | ErichK | Can someone tell me how to set up sudo? |
| 17:13.46 | liable | DavidProck1981: you will have other windows, ctrl n or ctrl p or esc; <window number> |
| 17:13.49 | xand | !sudo |
| 17:13.50 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 17:13.53 | black12313 | how do i fix apt-get thingy |
| 17:13.55 | SoulChild | xand: fiel says: /backup.tgz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Sat Aug 11 11:54:11 2007 |
| 17:14.07 | phorce1 | DavidProck1981: AHA! I was wondering what client you were using. Look at the bottom status line. Do you see something that says [Act: 3 4 5] or something similar? |
| 17:14.09 | black12313 | if stuff needs to be configured half way through being configured previously and i terminated it.. |
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| 17:14.16 | DustyBin | im using rsync with these command: rsync -vrtplze is there a quicker option to use just for a exact mirror copy? |
| 17:14.28 | xand | DustyBin: -a |
| 17:14.32 | DustyBin | aye thanks :D |
| 17:14.36 | xand | -v will slow it down |
| 17:14.39 | black12313 | people you can use tor on this thing too you know lol |
| 17:14.41 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 17:14.49 | black12313 | happy - he might be doing that ok |
| 17:15.06 | phorce1 | SoulChild: try unzipping manually so you only get an error from one program at a time (gzip -d) |
| 17:15.22 | xored | someone using linux with pptp to connect to a rdesktop and can help me finishing my pptp config ? |
| 17:15.46 | black12313 | sure |
| 17:15.49 | xand | DustyBin: well... -a = -rlptgoD |
| 17:16.04 | black12313 | but i get your password |
| 17:16.09 | xand | you may want to add things like -z |
| 17:16.11 | SoulChild | phorce1: how unzipping manually ? |
| 17:16.18 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 17:16.26 | SoulChild | xand: you mean me ? |
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| 17:16.31 | xand | xored: how are pptp and rdesktop related? |
| 17:16.37 | xand | SoulChild: no, DustyBin |
| 17:16.39 | phorce1 | SoulChild: gzip -d [name of tar.gz file] |
| 17:17.03 | xand | SoulChild: make you sure make a copy of your file before trying to fix it ;) |
| 17:17.20 | xored | xand: i have to use pptp to connect to vpn, then rdesktop ( ok this is an other thing ) |
| 17:17.22 | phorce1 | xand: good point |
| 17:17.28 | SoulChild | phorce1: already tried ,... same error there after 1 minute i get the message: invalid compressed data--format violated |
| 17:17.39 | xored | xand: iam just having problems setting up pptp. only used openvpn and cisco till now |
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| 17:18.11 | xand | xored: are you connecting to a windows vpn server? |
| 17:18.16 | DustyBin | is the [SOURCE] the place where RSYNC grabs the files from? and [DESTINATION] where RSYNC mirros them to? |
| 17:18.16 | Phil4 | anyone know about a solution to this: http://pastebin.ca/653626? |
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| 17:18.35 | xored | xand: yes, i think so. Iam not the admin of the vpn. Could be even just a router with an inlcuded vpn |
| 17:18.36 | xand | DustyBin: yes |
| 17:18.42 | DustyBin | ok thanks |
| 17:18.46 | DustyBin | here we go.. |
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| 17:19.45 | TylerJGillies | anyone know how to add a driver to the make menuconfig menu? i can seem to find any help on this |
| 17:19.52 | TylerJGillies | s/can/can't/ |
| 17:19.56 | xand | xored: I've done it by following these (specific to one server but modifiable) instructions: http://offog.org/kentservices.html#h1 |
| 17:20.08 | liable | TylerJGillies: by patching the kernel |
| 17:20.14 | xand | as that's the only pptp vpn server i connect to from linux |
| 17:20.52 | DustyBin | im going to execute this command on the destination machine, the place where my backup HD lives: |
| 17:20.55 | DustyBin | rsync -va 'ssh -p1101' root@fuddyfuddy.net:/ /mnt/backup/fuddyfuddy.net/ |
| 17:21.16 | TylerJGillies | liable: with an official kernel patch or a hacked one? |
| 17:21.36 | liable | TylerJGillies: um, what exactly do you want to do? |
| 17:21.51 | xored | xand: i have just the same setup. Not working. i got the same values but getting a : Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 17:22.31 | xored | xand: the only thing i dont have is the entry in chap_secrets |
| 17:22.32 | xand | xored: never seen that message... suggest google ;) |
| 17:22.35 | xored | but this is optional or ? |
| 17:22.49 | xored | xand: iam gooling but did not find anything usefull yet |
| 17:23.10 | xand | it's not optional unless you dont need to authenticate |
| 17:23.11 | TylerJGillies | liable: add a chipset driver for my WLAN card into a kernel im going to be using for an install of debian over network |
| 17:23.15 | DustyBin | holy lord: file has vanished: :-S |
| 17:23.47 | xand | what file? |
| 17:23.50 | DustyBin | ..its looking good |
| 17:23.51 | DustyBin | its ok |
| 17:24.04 | xored | xand: there is no vpn password, only a user-name |
| 17:24.12 | DustyBin | this is the first time ive backed up in years |
| 17:24.15 | xand | xored: sounds insecure ;) |
| 17:24.25 | xand | specify just username then? |
| 17:24.34 | DustyBin | Rule No.1 "If you backup a server, make sure you keep that backup SECURE!" |
| 17:24.35 | black12313 | what letmein lol ? |
| 17:24.51 | DustyBin | whats the point of securing a server when you have a mirror backup of it what isnt secure |
| 17:24.59 | liable | TylerJGillies: so you are making a deb to install on another box, or just making a kernel image? |
| 17:25.25 | xand | DustyBin: depends what you're securing it against |
| 17:25.31 | liable | TylerJGillies: some drivers come with scripts to patch the kernel, some you can only build modules ofr |
| 17:25.37 | DustyBin | ..I'd like to see a blackhat hacker try and connect the IDE HD cable back in after ive finished hehehe |
| 17:25.39 | liable | TylerJGillies: depends on the driver i guess |
| 17:26.28 | TylerJGillies | liable: making kernel image to use as the installer |
| 17:26.33 | xored | xand: not my net. |
| 17:27.29 | DustyBin | xand: imagine the HD on my VPS become corrupted, could i just delete / format the drive and RSYNC my backup back onto it and everything would work ok again? |
| 17:28.14 | xand | er what's vps? |
| 17:28.26 | xand | DustyBin: I dont know if it would boot |
| 17:28.33 | DustyBin | ok |
| 17:28.54 | DustyBin | i guess it all depends on the /boot |
| 17:29.00 | DustyBin | mbr |
| 17:29.11 | graytron | i installed vice on sarge and soon noticed that all my virtual consoles (/dev/tty1 - /dev/tty6) have a greenish background and all characters on screen appear as colored square blocks. any ideas what caused this? |
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| 17:30.01 | p_masho | what packacge do I need to avoid this compile error >> configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's <evp.h> can seem fo find teh header files |
| 17:30.39 | TylerJGillies | anyone know of a place that has a bunch of precompiled kernel images? |
| 17:31.12 | graytron | p_masho: libssl-dev |
| 17:31.13 | zinx | Tyler: the standard debian repository.. |
| 17:31.17 | xored | xand: getting : Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument |
| 17:31.20 | DustyBin | ohh dear |
| 17:31.23 | TylerJGillies | zinx: thnx |
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| 17:31.52 | DustyBin | rsync: send_files failed to open "/sys/class/tty/ttyx7/uevent": Permission denied (13) <-- why should it say this, everything is root? |
| 17:32.36 | Phil4 | anyone know about a solution to this: http://pastebin.ca/653626? |
| 17:32.37 | DustyBin | maybe its because my server is live and running processes |
| 17:33.10 | simonrvn | DustyBin: can't read it, and doesn't have perms to read it? some kernel thing probably |
| 17:33.15 | graytron | TylerJGillies: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 17:33.33 | TylerJGillies | graytron: thnx |
| 17:33.53 | zinx | linux-image these days |
| 17:34.07 | black12313 | snowbird wants me to check if changing his sources.list file from sarge entries to etch and then doing - apt-get update |
| 17:34.19 | black12313 | apt-get dist-upgrade will move him from sarge to etch |
| 17:34.24 | black12313 | will that work? |
| 17:34.31 | zinx | black: it will break his system, at best |
| 17:34.37 | xand | !sarge->etch |
| 17:34.38 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 17:34.38 | black12313 | oh really ? |
| 17:34.43 | graytron | TylerJGillies: ok apt-cache search linux-image :) |
| 17:34.43 | liable | blind leading the blind |
| 17:34.47 | xand | at best it will work, but probably not |
| 17:35.15 | black12313 | oi i asked |
| 17:35.20 | black12313 | so get off |
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| 17:36.25 | DustyBin | do you guys RSYNC your servers? |
| 17:36.39 | xored | xand: i forgot to load the async module..now i see a : sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x4b8a8723> <pcomp> <accomp>] not detached..but no interface is coming ip |
| 17:36.45 | xored | %s/ip/up |
| 17:36.45 | black12313 | who ? |
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| 17:37.07 | black12313 | did you mean by blind leading the blind ? |
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| 17:37.44 | dacs | is Unix SunOS 5.9 cron diffrenet form Linux Debian cron |
| 17:37.54 | jelly-home | dacs: it is |
| 17:37.55 | simonrvn | dacs: likely |
| 17:38.08 | xand | yes. |
| 17:38.12 | simonrvn | debian's default cron is vixie cron |
| 17:38.24 | jelly-home | Solaris doesn't used Vixie cron, and it most probably doesn't use Debian's patches |
| 17:38.34 | simonrvn | really? ;) |
| 17:38.35 | xand | I've used both, and not everything works on both |
| 17:39.00 | jelly-home | eg */5 syntax is a no-go |
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| 17:39.29 | black12313 | oi is snowbird already on etch ? |
| 17:39.33 | rcbarnes | My understanding is that the only (at all reasonable) way on an etch system to install (with apt) something from lenny is to change my system to lenny, install it, and change back. Is this correct? |
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| 17:39.49 | rcbarnes | and if so, why does the -t exist at all? |
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| 17:40.17 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: an arguably more reasonable way is to use a backport |
| 17:40.34 | xand | simonrvn: how should we know? |
| 17:40.37 | xand | erm |
| 17:40.42 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: and how do I do that? (url to a good tutorial is fine) |
| 17:40.44 | xand | black12313: how should we know? |
| 17:41.28 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: don't know about urls. /msg dpkg backports, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:41.34 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: also, are backports available for everything? |
| 17:41.45 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: no |
| 17:42.06 | dacs | how can i review my current cron jobs please |
| 17:42.09 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: it you need everything fom testing, just use it |
| 17:42.13 | xand | crontab -l |
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| 17:43.15 | AngusRF | Where can I cange the keyboard layout without X? |
| 17:43.23 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: I didn't parse that. Did you mean I should switch to testing? |
| 17:43.46 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: I meant you don't need "everything" new |
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| 17:45.28 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: ah |
| 17:45.35 | liable | !keymap |
| 17:45.35 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 17:46.06 | TylerJGillies | does anyone happen to know of a kernel image that contains ralink drivers? |
| 17:46.18 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: but otherwise yes, if you want all the fresh stuff, it's more reasonable to switch than to backport every application you use |
| 17:46.24 | black12313 | !sarge->etch |
| 17:46.24 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 17:47.37 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: Yeah, I'm fine with almost everything in etch, and I just have a few packages I want to upgrade (transmission, openbox, cmus) |
| 17:48.23 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: then you have an excellent case for backporting just those and using an otherwise stable system |
| 17:48.45 | rcbarnes | jelly-home: that was my suspicion |
| 17:48.47 | rcbarnes | :-D |
| 17:48.59 | DustyBin | i wonder if rsync secretly executes updatedb before it starts |
| 17:49.11 | jelly-home | DustyBin: it does not |
| 17:49.23 | DustyBin | aye ok |
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| 17:50.11 | DustyBin | the first RYSYNC on a server is the longest, but after that it should work pretty fast |
| 17:50.25 | jelly-home | DustyBin: however, it does look up all the files at source and destination to see which ones need updating |
| 17:50.32 | DustyBin | ok |
| 17:50.56 | DustyBin | so if nothing is on destination, everything gets mirrored |
| 17:51.16 | jelly-home | DustyBin: use -v or --progress arguments if you wish to see extra details |
| 17:51.22 | TylerJGillies | is there a way to see what drivers are supported for a linux kernel release? |
| 17:51.30 | DustyBin | im using -v now just to see whats going on |
| 17:51.42 | DustyBin | drivers? |
| 17:53.03 | DustyBin | I think you can see what drivers are supported somewhere on this website: http://kernelnewbies.org/ |
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| 17:54.07 | snowbird | can i paste my source list |
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| 17:54.35 | dacs | i think before i mess with Solaris cron , i want to practice a little bit more on my debian box :) how can i add a job to cron |
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| 17:55.07 | liable | snowbird: not here, on a pastebot, sure |
| 17:55.10 | xand | dacs: crontab -e |
| 17:55.17 | snowbird | ok thanks liable |
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| 17:55.32 | dacs | liable beer time ~~~ |
| 17:55.46 | liable | nope, bed time |
| 17:55.53 | dacs | lol |
| 17:55.56 | xand | neither |
| 17:56.04 | xand | cake time |
| 17:56.07 | AngusRF | camp time |
| 17:56.35 | liable | you at the wifi camp? |
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| 17:58.28 | snowbird | http://pastebin.ca/653686 laible |
| 17:58.35 | snowbird | liable i mean |
| 17:59.43 | snowbird | did that paste come threw |
| 17:59.46 | liable | snowbird: you should have etch. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:59.47 | dacs | is there is "corn for stupid dummy " tutorial |
| 18:00.02 | snowbird | what do i do to change it |
| 18:00.04 | xand | dacs: boil it |
| 18:00.13 | liable | snowbird: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:00.19 | xand | dacs: or do you want popcorn? |
| 18:00.24 | liable | give me the output |
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| 18:01.36 | dacs | xand l.o.l |
| 18:01.37 | snowbird | liable 4.0 |
| 18:01.52 | liable | snowbird: so you have etch. relax and be happy |
| 18:02.16 | snowbird | ok but my sorces are half and half |
| 18:02.24 | snowbird | and sorces dont say etch |
| 18:02.35 | liable | you can remove the sarge line, its irelevant |
| 18:02.49 | liable | it says stable, which etch is |
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| 18:03.58 | thinkmassive | I'm installing etch and I'd like to use LVM for the first time... |
| 18:04.20 | simonrvn | the installer handles lvm |
| 18:04.22 | snowbird | ok |
| 18:04.37 | thinkmassive | I know, but I'm not sure how to best configure it |
| 18:04.53 | snowbird | change sarge line to waht? or get rid totaly? |
| 18:04.59 | simonrvn | avoid lvm / if you're new at this |
| 18:05.12 | thinkmassive | I'm not new to debian but I haven't used LVM before |
| 18:05.26 | simonrvn | up to you then ;) |
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| 18:05.37 | simonrvn | lvm / requires an initrd |
| 18:05.44 | simonrvn | afk |
| 18:05.45 | thinkmassive | I've had problems with certain partitions filling up in the past, and I'd like to be able to resize if necessary |
| 18:06.09 | snowbird | liable what are privicy extensions |
| 18:06.28 | thinkmassive | so it's advisable to keep / as a regular partition? |
| 18:06.49 | tvynr | thinkmassive: I usually don't bother partitioning beyond '/' and swap. |
| 18:06.51 | thinkmassive | then do i make one volume group for the rest of my disk and create /usr, /var, /home, /etc in it? |
| 18:06.57 | xand | can i "or" the options to find instead of "and"ing them? |
| 18:07.20 | liable | snowbird: no idea unless you give me some context |
| 18:07.20 | xand | spefically specify that -mtime or -ctime should return true |
| 18:07.34 | thinkmassive | tvynr: what if /tmp or /var accidentally fills up the disk and you can't boot? |
| 18:07.41 | snowbird | when i start pc i get that there not turned on |
| 18:07.48 | dacs | sh /Users/rob/bin/backupjoyent.sh 2>&1 what does the 2>&1 mean? |
| 18:07.59 | tvynr | thinkmassive: Never had that happen, really. And isn't /tmp cleared on bootup anyway? |
| 18:08.13 | snowbird | someting a bought tuneling |
| 18:08.14 | xand | dacs: stderr redirected to stderr |
| 18:08.29 | xand | erm, s/stderr$/stdout/ |
| 18:08.34 | jelly-home | dacs: bash faq should clear that up |
| 18:08.37 | thinkmassive | tvynr: ok or a user fills up /home, in any case it's not the best idea to have only one partition on a server |
| 18:08.38 | liable | dacs: redirect errors to output (stdeer to stdout) |
| 18:08.54 | snowbird | liable realted to ipv6 host |
| 18:09.00 | snowbird | thats what google said |
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| 18:09.05 | liable | snowbird: ignore it |
| 18:09.10 | jelly-home | dacs: makes mails from cron jobs contain the errors too |
| 18:09.37 | tvynr | thinkmassive: 'kay. Just throwing the idea out there. I'm under the impression that you can use disk quota software if you're concerned about those limitations, but I've never had to deal with that and I find that a lot of home users slice and dice the disk without need. |
| 18:09.57 | dacs | liable jelly-home xand thanks |
| 18:10.03 | snowbird | ok |
| 18:10.09 | tvynr | thinkmassive: But I jumped in late and didn't know you were working on a server. :) |
| 18:10.12 | snowbird | what is that any how |
| 18:10.35 | thinkmassive | tvynr: thanks. I'm not sure I mentioned it before ;) it is a home server though, so it's not mission-critical (yet) |
| 18:10.46 | thinkmassive | tvynr: have you use LVM? |
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| 18:10.52 | Nazcafan | hi all |
| 18:11.21 | tvynr | thinkmassive: Nope. Friend of mine has. It adds a layer of complexity that I'd rather do without, m'self, as I store all my data on a RAID5 anyway. But I understand it can be really handy for what you're doing. |
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| 18:11.43 | Nazcafan | I am running a testing box, in the last upgrade, I noticed dpkg was trying to erase /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ |
| 18:11.54 | Nazcafan | and could not because it was not empty |
| 18:12.00 | gwern | could someone do me a favor? what is the value of $PATH for a non-root user in a default Debian installation? |
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| 18:12.44 | Nazcafan | I checked and there are many 4 folders 100dpi 75dpi misc Speedo Type1, each containing a fonts.alias file |
| 18:12.58 | Nazcafan | should I do something special about it ? |
| 18:13.09 | tvynr | gwern: From my /etc/profile: PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games" |
| 18:13.31 | gwern | tvynr: thanks |
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| 18:13.42 | tvynr | gwern: np |
| 18:13.44 | Nazcafan | ohoh, |
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| 18:13.56 | simonrvn | thinkmassive: on this box i have /, /usr, /var, /home on lvs |
| 18:13.56 | Nazcafan | gnome is completely stuck after this update |
| 18:13.59 | Nazcafan | I should restart it |
| 18:14.07 | simonrvn | thinkmassive: oh and one for swap |
| 18:14.36 | thinkmassive | simonrvn: is swap a LV? |
| 18:14.42 | simonrvn | thinkmassive: the installer selected the sizes, and they seemed good |
| 18:14.55 | thinkmassive | simonrvn: which installer option did you choose? |
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| 18:15.12 | thinkmassive | simonrvn: when I select "entire disk using LVM" it doesn't create any LV's! |
| 18:15.17 | simonrvn | thinkmassive: i have one rgular partition for swap, and a LV for swap. haven't noticed an performance difference |
| 18:15.31 | simonrvn | s,an,a, |
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| 18:16.08 | simonrvn | thinkmassive: er i let it do the partitioning |
| 18:16.22 | snowbird | any know what IPv6 is? |
| 18:16.33 | rking | i get this message every time i run certain gtk apps, for example evince: /usr/share/themes/Amaranth/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:1: Unable to find include file: "iconrc" anyone know what package provides this file? i haven't had any luck finding out. |
| 18:16.37 | Phil4 | internet protocol version 6, snowbird |
| 18:16.46 | ddslap | 6th version of internet protocol |
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| 18:16.50 | simonrvn | !ipv6 |
| 18:16.51 | dpkg | it has been said that ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see iproute, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 18:17.11 | simonrvn | ugh, ancient factoid |
| 18:17.18 | simonrvn | !factinfo ipv6 |
| 18:17.18 | dpkg | ipv6 -- last modified at Fri Jun 30 06:41:01 2006 by Gnea!i=gnea@2001:5c0:8ef3:0:0:0:0:1; it has been requested 35 times, last by simonrvn, 28s ago. |
| 18:17.30 | p_masho | got this error on compile. << Cannot find MySQL header files under /usr << think is I dont know which package to install, there dont seems to be a libmysql ? |
| 18:17.43 | simonrvn | p_masho: apt-cache search mysql dev |
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| 18:18.39 | rogue- | !nfs |
| 18:18.39 | dpkg | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 18:19.02 | rogue- | !sshfs |
| 18:19.02 | dpkg | from memory, sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 18:19.03 | snowbird | is it a security thing? |
| 18:19.04 | p_masho | simonrvn: aha ta > libmysqlclient14-dev |
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| 18:19.20 | simonrvn | !tell rogue- -about msg the bot |
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| 18:19.44 | armbar | hello |
| 18:19.50 | simonrvn | snowbird: different kind of IP. "regular" IP is version 4 (v4) |
| 18:20.20 | jelly-home | snowbird: it's a new protocol for the internets that is not in use yet. You won't need it in the foreseeable future |
| 18:20.26 | rogue- | I need to share a folder between 2 network computers, what should I be looking into since NFS seems to be so unstable? |
| 18:20.32 | xand | it's in use, but not very widely |
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| 18:20.41 | xand | rogue-: nfs isn't unstable. |
| 18:20.44 | simonrvn | jelly-home: it is in use. has been for a while |
| 18:20.57 | simonrvn | rogue-: unstable? |
| 18:21.02 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:21.04 | rogue- | read what dpkg just said |
| 18:21.11 | snowbird | simonrvn: some how my privecy extesons are turned off for it |
| 18:21.20 | xand | rogue-: I've been using nfs for years, it's not unstable |
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| 18:21.35 | jelly-home | duh, people, answers that are adapted for the user's experience and knowledge? |
| 18:21.38 | simonrvn | snowbird: ignore that, it's for stuff like lo interface, no big deal |
| 18:21.38 | xand | rogue-: I don't care what dpkg says |
| 18:21.45 | rogue- | so are you calling dpkg a liar!? |
| 18:21.56 | simonrvn | dpkg is an effing bot |
| 18:22.14 | rogue- | and your point is |
| 18:22.14 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I don't see any relevant use of ipv6 just yet, sorry |
| 18:22.26 | xand | rogue-: if you don't want to listen to answers, don't bother asking |
| 18:22.33 | simonrvn | rogue-: you speak of it as if it's a person |
| 18:22.39 | snowbird | ok |
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| 18:22.52 | snowbird | i came for outher os with holes |
| 18:22.56 | rogue- | xand: you're not the boss of me |
| 18:23.09 | simonrvn | jelly-home: no biggie, most people won't need it for a while either, at least until ISPs run out of IPs ;) |
| 18:23.14 | DustyBin | what is stored in: proc/kcore ? |
| 18:23.15 | rogue- | simonrvn: no I'm not |
| 18:23.24 | jelly-home | simonrvn: NAT for the lose! |
| 18:23.25 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.28 | simonrvn | DustyBin: RAM |
| 18:23.39 | simonrvn | jelly-home: bingo |
| 18:23.41 | DustyBin | i see.. ? SWAP ? |
| 18:23.45 | simonrvn | RAM |
| 18:23.49 | DustyBin | ? |
| 18:23.57 | DustyBin | i thought RAM was hardware |
| 18:24.01 | DustyBin | not a file |
| 18:24.07 | simonrvn | as in real memory. it's the contents of it |
| 18:24.12 | DustyBin | i see |
| 18:24.42 | simonrvn | DustyBin: look at the file size, compare it to your RAM's size. note anything? |
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| 18:25.14 | xand | simonrvn: mine's less than half the size of my RAM |
| 18:25.17 | simonrvn | just don't try to open it with mc ;) |
| 18:25.26 | simonrvn | xand: really? how odd |
| 18:25.34 | DustyBin | my machine has 1GB |
| 18:25.37 | DustyBin | -r-------- 1 root root 939528192 2007-08-11 19:25 /proc/kcore |
| 18:25.38 | thinkmassive | hah I must have accidentally hit a key last time I ran the partioner during install, because I just re-did it and it set everything up reeeal niiiiice with LVM |
| 18:25.47 | snowbird | thouse extions u need for pppoe and modem |
| 18:25.58 | snowbird | i woun\ld need em if u use ppoe modem |
| 18:25.59 | xand | simonrvn: kcore is only 897M... 2GB RAM |
| 18:26.23 | simonrvn | xand: that looks like the kernel limit for lowmem |
| 18:26.34 | jelly-home | xand: then proc(5) lies! |
| 18:26.40 | kenji | Guys Im ussing this to get a value from squid snmp ... squidclient -p 8080 mgr:info | grep 'Request Hit Ratios' | awk '{ print$5 }' and it show 79.4%, now I wanna drop that "%" and that "," can you help me? |
| 18:26.44 | xand | simonrvn: what does that mean? |
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| 18:27.23 | rking | kenji: can you show me a line of the output? |
| 18:27.33 | simonrvn | snowbird: the privacy extensions are certain faculties in IPv6 to handle certain things like what interface gets what IP, and how |
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| 18:27.42 | kenji | rking: Request Hit Ratios: 5min: 79.4%, 60min: 85.2% |
| 18:27.47 | simonrvn | xand: is your kernel seeing all of the RAM? |
| 18:28.08 | xand | simonrvn: /proc/meminfo shows the correct total, so does top |
| 18:28.21 | simonrvn | how odd. maybe it has a limit |
| 18:28.21 | xand | 2077004kB |
| 18:28.39 | simonrvn | i'd have to look at the source... |
| 18:28.41 | kenji | rking: but I just wanna get the value without the "%" and the "," |
| 18:28.52 | TylerJGillies | WOOHOO i segfault when i try and do apt-cache search 'foobar' |
| 18:28.53 | jelly-home | simonrvn: do _you_ have a correct sized /proc/kcore with a 1GB+ i386 machine? Mine's limited to lowmem size too. |
| 18:29.11 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i don't have one with that much ram |
| 18:29.11 | xand | jelly-home: that man page does lie then :P |
| 18:29.24 | jelly-home | xand: file a bug report :-) |
| 18:29.38 | rking | kenji: I'd do this: ruby -pe 'sub(/.*:\s*(\d+\.\d+)%.*/, "\\1") |
| 18:29.41 | jelly-home | simonrvn: lucky! |
| 18:29.42 | zinx | has the correct size on my 64-bit machine(s) :/ |
| 18:29.45 | simonrvn | jelly-home: all the machines i have here show the correct size (they're all under 800 MB) |
| 18:29.51 | xand | hmm that reminds me |
| 18:29.52 | kenji | rking :| |
| 18:29.53 | rking | then that replaces the awk |
| 18:29.55 | rking | actually |
| 18:30.02 | xand | I was going to rebuild my 64-bit machine with amd64 |
| 18:30.09 | simonrvn | zinx: ah, must be a 32 bit limit then? |
| 18:30.15 | zinx | simon: guess so |
| 18:30.23 | jelly-home | s/32 bit/i386/ |
| 18:30.30 | simonrvn | no, 32 bit |
| 18:30.34 | kenji | rking what about gsub function of awk? |
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| 18:30.56 | simonrvn | jelly-home: unless it doesn't do that on some non-ix86 arched box you have? |
| 18:31.03 | thinkmassive | there's a memory hole for IO |
| 18:31.05 | jelly-home | no, some weird arch with "lowmem/highmem" |
| 18:31.38 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I don't have Linux on any nearby non-i386 machines with 1GB+ |
| 18:31.56 | simonrvn | jelly-home: well i know ppc pretty well, and it has that 897 MB cut-off, but i don't know if it has the same behaviour with 1 GB+ |
| 18:32.04 | simonrvn | with kcore |
| 18:32.11 | kenji | rking: I need a hand but I can't use ruby |
| 18:32.15 | jelly-home | simonrvn: wow, that's sad |
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| 18:32.28 | black12313 | oi help me ? |
| 18:32.36 | black12313 | do i need sun java for azureus to work ? |
| 18:32.39 | simonrvn | jelly-home: that i don't know? ;) |
| 18:32.50 | simonrvn | black12313: don't use that thing, it's a hog |
| 18:32.50 | jelly-home | simonrvn: no, the 1G/3G split |
| 18:32.59 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, it is |
| 18:33.06 | amphi | black12313: you used to, dunno if you still do - I would use rtorrent instead ;) |
| 18:33.13 | black12313 | well i'm using ktorrent atm |
| 18:33.29 | simonrvn | i've use bittornado, works ok |
| 18:33.34 | simonrvn | used* |
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| 18:34.01 | black12313 | mmm utorrent is ok |
| 18:34.07 | black12313 | but i would get loged by people |
| 18:34.09 | rking | kenji: the whole thing could be: squidclient -p 8080 mgr:info | ruby -ne 'puts $1 if /Request Hit Ratios:.*:\s*(\d+\.\d+)/' |
| 18:34.10 | black12313 | - re bbc and stuff |
| 18:34.17 | simonrvn | "logged"? |
| 18:34.18 | rking | kenji: but i just now see you can't use ruby, how about perl? |
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| 18:34.33 | black12313 | yeah logged |
| 18:34.55 | simonrvn | you're getting logged now ;). how is that different? |
| 18:34.59 | black12313 | trying utorrnent now |
| 18:35.03 | jelly-home | hm, looks like ruby looks just like perl. |
| 18:35.07 | black12313 | ah cuz i'm getting "legal stuf" |
| 18:35.15 | rking | kenji: if you can use perl, the version's very much the same: perl -ne 'print "$1\n" if /Request Hit Ratios:.*:\s*(\d+\.\d+)/' |
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| 18:35.19 | simonrvn | ruby has similarities to perl |
| 18:35.39 | rking | or even: perl -lne 'print $1 if /Request Hit Ratios:.*:\s*(\d+\.\d+)/' |
| 18:35.45 | rking | yes, ruby is a better perl. |
| 18:35.53 | simonrvn | a lot cleaner |
| 18:36.01 | cavediver | Hi guys. I have a problem after converting the system ro RAID1 software. My lo interface won't come up after boot. After a ifdown lo;ifup lo it works.. Anyone have an idea ? |
| 18:36.03 | kenji | rking not working |
| 18:36.14 | rking | kenji: just not printing anything? |
| 18:36.19 | kenji | rking right |
| 18:36.26 | rking | that's unpossible! |
| 18:36.36 | kenji | rking root@www:/etc/zabbix/squid_status# squidclient -p 8080 mgr:info | grep 'Request Hit Ratios' | awk '{ print$5 }' | perl -ne 'print "$1\n" if /Request Hit Ratios:.*:\s*(\d+\.\d+)/' |
| 18:36.36 | kenji | root@www:/etc/zabbix/squid_status# |
| 18:36.42 | simonrvn | xand, jelly-home: so it seems kcore is limited by 32 bit, and maybe arch |
| 18:36.43 | rking | kenji: no, no awk or anything |
| 18:36.49 | simonrvn | rking: *im*possible |
| 18:36.50 | kenji | rking xD |
| 18:37.06 | simonrvn | unpossible isn't a word |
| 18:37.07 | rking | squidclient -p 8080 mgr:info | perl -lne 'print $1 if /Request Hit Ratios:.*:\s*(\d+\.\d+)/' |
| 18:37.08 | kenji | :O |
| 18:37.16 | kenji | rking its working :D |
| 18:37.20 | dacs | can someone please take a look at this and let me know what i am doing wrong http://pastebin.ca/653718 |
| 18:37.25 | rking | "me fail english? that's unpossible!" - ralph wiggum |
| 18:37.26 | kenji | rking where can I learn regular expresions? |
| 18:37.52 | simonrvn | kenji: man 7 regex |
| 18:37.53 | xand | simonrvn: unpossible is acceptable for expressing sarcasm :P |
| 18:38.03 | simonrvn | heh |
| 18:38.12 | xand | simonrvn: and what effect does kcore's size being limited have? |
| 18:38.14 | rking | kenji: i learned from the Perl Camel book (by Larry Wall, etc). I plan to get around to "Mastering Regular Expressions", the owl book (though I've read chapters of it). There are online tutorials. |
| 18:38.18 | kenji | rking can you help me with the other value? :$ |
| 18:38.22 | rking | kenji: it's a necessary skill |
| 18:38.32 | rking | what valu? |
| 18:38.41 | simonrvn | xand: well you can't access the ram contents completely for one thing ;) |
| 18:38.53 | simonrvn | xand: er complete ram contents |
| 18:38.53 | kenji | Request Hit Ratios: 5min: 82.7%, 60min: 86.2% |
| 18:38.59 | xand | simonrvn: does that mean the 2nd GB is wasted? |
| 18:38.59 | simonrvn | !kill my grammar |
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| 18:39.02 | jelly-home | xand: unpossible is acceptable[...]? inconceivable! |
| 18:39.04 | kenji | rking Request Hit Ratios: 5min: 82.7%, 60min: 86.2% I have the 86 but I need the 82 two |
| 18:39.15 | simonrvn | xand: no |
| 18:39.21 | rking | kenji: on the same line or something? |
| 18:39.24 | dacs | liable can you help me please if you are in the mood :) i will buy you beer |
| 18:39.28 | black12313 | oi transmission doesn't work for me ? |
| 18:39.30 | kenji | in another line rking |
| 18:39.35 | black12313 | help ? |
| 18:39.36 | xand | !oi |
| 18:39.36 | dpkg | I have a name you know. |
| 18:40.03 | kenji | rking: the first line give me the 86.2 then I need another line that can show the 82.7 |
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| 18:40.06 | simonrvn | dpkg: you have a name? |
| 18:40.37 | black12313 | anyone ? |
| 18:40.41 | jelly-home | simonrvn: they called him Trinity |
| 18:40.41 | simonrvn | dpkg: you have a name? |
| 18:40.41 | dpkg | yes I do, and it's not mud! |
| 18:41.10 | black12313 | dpkg are you alive ? |
| 18:41.12 | simonrvn | jelly-home: eh? |
| 18:41.17 | black12313 | dpkg: are you alive ? |
| 18:41.39 | rking | perl -ne 'print "$1\n$2\n" if /Request Hit Ratios:.*min:\s*(\d+\.\d+)%,.*min:\s*(\d+\.\d+)%/' |
| 18:41.51 | jelly-home | simonrvn: nm, seems like you're not a fan of spaghetti westerns |
| 18:42.09 | simonrvn | no, not really ;) |
| 18:42.16 | black12313 | transmission doens't run |
| 18:42.17 | black12313 | help ? |
| 18:42.26 | simonrvn | though i haves heard of "trinity" in that context |
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| 18:42.45 | kenji | rking ... |
| 18:42.48 | simonrvn | black12313: WTF are you talking about? |
| 18:42.58 | black12313 | transmission the bittorrent program doesn't want to run for me |
| 18:43.03 | jelly-home | !info transmission |
| 18:43.08 | black12313 | !info transmission |
| 18:43.10 | dpkg | transmission: (free, lightweight BitTorrent client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.72.dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 18:43.17 | black12313 | yeah i did that |
| 18:43.21 | black12313 | got it |
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| 18:43.24 | black12313 | now what ? |
| 18:43.27 | jelly-home | !doesn't work |
| 18:43.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:43.51 | black12313 | fecky you 2 |
| 18:44.06 | rking | kenji: did that version work? |
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| 18:45.09 | kenji | rking: this do a perfect work for the last value squidclient -p 8080 mgr:info | perl -ne 'print "$1\n" if /Request Hit Ratios:.*:\s*(\d+\.\d+)/' |
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| 18:46.04 | kenji | rking I just need the first value (last value its the % of the last 60minutes, first value its the % of the last 5minutes) |
| 18:46.21 | kenji | rking Request Hit Ratios: 5min: 82.7%, 60min: 86.2% |
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| 18:46.46 | black12313 | /ranking |
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| 18:48.25 | Zepto2007 | hey, im using debian etch. I am trying to install iplist and have succeeded installing the prerequisites |
| 18:48.38 | black12313 | and |
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| 18:48.53 | Zepto2007 | but how do i download iplist and how do i install it? newbie question |
| 18:49.02 | Zepto2007 | http://iplist.sourceforge.net/documentation.html |
| 18:49.16 | kenji | rking no way? :( |
| 18:49.30 | black12313 | ./configure |
| 18:49.35 | black12313 | make install |
| 18:49.41 | black12313 | or ./config |
| 18:49.44 | black12313 | make , make install |
| 18:49.54 | simonrvn | Zepto2007: try installing it from debian first, if it isn't there, then build it yourself |
| 18:50.00 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 18:50.00 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 18:50.28 | simonrvn | Red_Cloud: kwe kwe |
| 18:51.17 | Zepto2007 | black12313, can i msg you? - so much traffic |
| 18:51.26 | xand | Zepto2007: if they porivde a .deb suitable for etch, dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 18:51.40 | Zepto2007 | ok |
| 18:51.53 | Zepto2007 | they do |
| 18:52.18 | Zepto2007 | that means its compiled already? |
| 18:52.23 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:52.27 | Zepto2007 | ok |
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| 18:52.50 | Zepto2007 | started using linux two weeks ago |
| 18:53.00 | Zepto2007 | with a NAS |
| 18:53.05 | simonrvn | Pji'lasi |
| 18:53.14 | xand | nice password? |
| 18:53.21 | Zepto2007 | I have installed debian on it |
| 18:53.29 | simonrvn | means welcome in my language |
| 18:53.48 | jzxu | is there any way, either via the terminal emulator, or via the shell (unlikely), to make a key combination like Meta-b change the working directory to the parent? |
| 18:54.04 | simonrvn | xand: a nice password is alphanum+punctuation ;) |
| 18:54.36 | xand | nice can have several meanings |
| 18:54.44 | simonrvn | jzxu: why not? bindkey in zsh, or similar in bash (i think) |
| 18:54.53 | simonrvn | xand: true ;) |
| 18:54.55 | jzxu | simonrvn: oh, I had no idea |
| 18:54.57 | jzxu | thanks |
| 18:54.57 | kenji | rking are you there? |
| 18:55.16 | simonrvn | kenji: he has to go remember? |
| 18:55.19 | simonrvn | had* |
| 18:55.26 | kenji | :O |
| 18:55.40 | kenji | simonrvn ok, can you give me the last push? xD |
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| 18:55.51 | Zepto2007 | but simonrvn, how do i download the two files from putty? |
| 18:56.15 | simonrvn | kenji: haven't be following |
| 18:56.15 | simonrvn | been* |
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| 18:56.21 | simonrvn | !shoot my typist |
| 18:56.30 | SoulChild | How to remove invest-chart ,.. in which package is it ?? |
| 18:56.34 | simonrvn | Zepto2007: er what? |
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| 18:56.57 | Zepto2007 | i can do a terminal copy from xp to my NAS |
| 18:57.06 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:57.09 | MalMen | http://pastebin.com/m43ea8c64 |
| 18:57.12 | xand | Zepto2007: wget |
| 18:57.16 | Zepto2007 | ok |
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| 18:57.44 | kenji | simonrvn I have this string Request Disk Hit Ratios: 5min: 7.2%, 60min: 6.7% and I wanna get only the 7.2 without the "%" and the "," |
| 18:58.14 | simonrvn | i'm not that good with regexen sorry |
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| 18:58.26 | pipeline | kenji: regex-coach is your buddy. |
| 18:58.34 | MalMen | i have a problem http://pastebin.com/m43ea8c64 |
| 18:59.01 | pipeline | MalMen: You'll have to go to #debian-br |
| 18:59.05 | kenji | pipeline I studing regex right now but I need to finish this work to go home :( |
| 18:59.10 | kenji | Im* |
| 18:59.19 | pipeline | kenji: ...and that's why I recommended regex-coach. |
| 18:59.31 | kenji | pipeline whats regex-coach? |
| 18:59.42 | Zepto2007 | then where do i place the deb file and the source file? |
| 18:59.59 | kenji | pipeline :O it could be cool let me try it |
| 19:00.09 | pipeline | kenji: There's this marvelous thing called a "search engine" |
| 19:01.42 | simonrvn | !fgi kenji regex-coach |
| 19:01.42 | dpkg | kenji: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=regex-coach |
| 19:01.51 | simonrvn | pipeline: ^^^ ;) |
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| 19:02.28 | kenji | pipeline dpkg Im ussing apt-cache search before googling because I don't wanna install regex-coach from a tar.gz |
| 19:03.05 | enouf | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:03.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:04.48 | pipeline | kenji: tough shit. It's only available as a static binary. (And no other application comes close.) |
| 19:05.23 | pipeline | kenji: And the author is kind of an ass about source. The underlying regex engine is open sores, but the lovely GUI wrapper is not. (Not that debian could make it available: it depends on proprietary libraries and a very expensive compiler.) |
| 19:05.29 | kenji | pipeline the regex-coach home page say this: "Beginning with version 0.9.0, there will no longer be a Linux version of The Regex Coach - too few people were using it, and it's simply too much work for me to maintain both versions. You can still download the last (now unsupported) Linux release from http://weitz.de/files/regex-coach-0.8.5.tgz - it will also run on FreeBSD, see documentation." |
| 19:05.42 | pipeline | oh terrifying you can only download 0.8.5 :P |
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| 19:08.44 | Zepto2007 | dpkg -i iplist_0.13-1_i386.deb |
| 19:09.08 | simonrvn | pipeline: heh heh |
| 19:09.14 | Zepto2007 | dpkg: error processing iplist_0.13-1_i386.deb (--install) |
| 19:09.14 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 19:09.28 | kenji | pipeline can you help me to get that number? |
| 19:09.32 | Zepto2007 | package architecture (i386) does not match system (arm) |
| 19:09.32 | Zepto2007 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:09.40 | simonrvn | doh |
| 19:09.46 | kenji | pipeline just for this time ... becuase I have to go :S |
| 19:09.57 | pipeline | kenji: Fuck off. |
| 19:09.59 | simonrvn | Zepto2007: you can't install binary packages from other arches |
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| 19:10.17 | exs | How do I share my ubuntu 6.06 laptops wifi internet connection, with my 7.04 ubuntu desktop?.. |
| 19:10.25 | pipeline | kenji: $120 an hour, minimum two hours. I don't think you want to go there >:( |
| 19:10.33 | pipeline | kenji: presence in #debian != free work |
| 19:10.39 | simonrvn | kenji: so instead of trying to get help here for an hour how about you spend the time working on it instead? |
| 19:11.01 | kenji | simonrvn just for this time :( |
| 19:11.22 | jelly-home | pipeline: I'll offer him $75/hr, hah! |
| 19:11.36 | pipeline | exs: Enable ip forwarding with the appropriate sysctl, set the laptop's internal IP as default route on the desktop. |
| 19:11.37 | kenji | jelly-home xD |
| 19:11.40 | pipeline | jelly-home: His loss. |
| 19:11.59 | pipeline | jelly-home: eight hours at 75 isn't much of a deal. I'm just that much more efficient. |
| 19:12.11 | jelly-home | kenji: so you accept? |
| 19:12.19 | kenji | jelly-home :( |
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| 19:12.36 | exs | pipeline: How do I enable ip forwarding?.. what is sysctl, and my laptops internet static ip is 192.168.1.10 (this is for help with router) |
| 19:12.41 | Zepto2007 | whats an arch in this context? |
| 19:12.59 | pipeline | exs: I'm not interested in going into detail. |
| 19:12.59 | kenji | jelly-home stop joking Im to tired, Im going to study regular expression all the weekend but now I need this number |
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| 19:13.07 | exs | ok thanks for your help |
| 19:13.10 | jelly-home | kenji: I'm not joking. |
| 19:13.14 | pipeline | kenji: Neither am I. |
| 19:13.34 | kenji | tnks guys |
| 19:13.53 | kenji | for your time |
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| 19:14.19 | simonrvn | kenji: echo 'Request Disk Hit Ratios: 5min: 7.2%, 60min: 6.7%' | awk '{print $8}' |
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| 19:14.29 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:14.35 | simonrvn | learn to use awk |
| 19:14.37 | jelly-home | and some sed and tr to remove stuff |
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| 19:14.50 | simonrvn | cdrom |
| 19:14.53 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 19:14.59 | simonrvn | 6.7% |
| 19:15.31 | jelly-home | simonrvn: you wanted "7.2%," |
| 19:15.33 | kenji | simonrvn that whas the problem ... that "%" ... I just need the 7.2 without the % |
| 19:15.43 | simonrvn | oh i did? so mod the awk |
| 19:15.50 | simonrvn | so tr it out |
| 19:15.54 | simonrvn | or cut |
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| 19:16.24 | jelly-home | kenji: here's a hint: remove the unwanted character by piping thru tr |
| 19:16.58 | simonrvn | i bet this is for his job or something, or homework.... |
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| 19:18.02 | kenji | I found another way echo "5min: 83.5%, 60min: 87.6%"|sed 's/[%,]//g' |awk '{ print$4 }' |
| 19:18.19 | kenji | tnks and see you Im going home |
| 19:19.07 | h3sp4wn | kenji: awk '{printf "%s\n", substr($8,1,3)}' |
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| 19:19.41 | simonrvn | or ask someone who knows awk better than i =) |
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| 19:20.23 | jakub_ | Hi |
| 19:20.26 | jakub_ | i have problem with my computer |
| 19:20.28 | kenji | h3sp4wn: root@www:/etc/zabbix/squid_status# squidclient -p 8080 mgr:info |grep 'Request Hit Ratios' |awk '{printf "%s\n", substr($8,1,3)}' |
| 19:20.29 | kenji | root@www:/etc/zabbix/squid_status# |
| 19:20.34 | jakub_ | i want to conenct to him with KRDC or with SSH |
| 19:20.45 | jakub_ | if i connect it works - but in 5 seconds, the connection is dropped |
| 19:20.50 | jakub_ | please anyoe knwo why ? |
| 19:21.45 | jelly-home | another way to do it: IFS="[ %]+" |
| 19:21.59 | kenji | this did the trick :P squidclient -p 8080 mgr:info |grep 'Request Hit Ratios' | sed 's/[%,]//g' |awk '{ print$5 }' |
| 19:22.36 | simonrvn | i hate messing with IFS though, that's why i don't do it much |
| 19:23.25 | jelly-home | simonrvn: GNU awk / mawk have a -F command line argument to set FS |
| 19:24.12 | jelly-home | awk -F'[ %,]+' '/this line/{print $8}' or whatever |
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| 19:25.02 | simonrvn | thanks jelly-home |
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| 19:27.46 | jelly-home | Solaris' /bin/awk doesn't do RE in -F (but /usr/xpg4/bin/awk does) |
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| 19:28.42 | humpty | i not do speak english |
| 19:28.50 | brainsail | does modprobe.d have any meaning after a module has been loaded? |
| 19:28.51 | humpty | i new to Debian |
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| 19:29.07 | simonrvn | snowbird: ould you have an idea which town in manitoba this is? tpasm |
| 19:29.17 | simonrvn | snowbird: er, would* |
| 19:29.24 | humpty | i am new debian. i need help. i not do speak english. any speak bhow bhow? |
| 19:29.50 | snowbird | u swan rive y simon? |
| 19:30.06 | Ronin | humpty: what is your native languate? |
| 19:30.10 | Ronin | language even |
| 19:30.22 | snowbird | ronin he my online brother hee |
| 19:30.33 | humpty | ronin, native language i not understand |
| 19:30.37 | simonrvn | brb |
| 19:30.43 | Ronin | humpty: what language do you speak |
| 19:30.49 | humpty | ronin bhow bhow |
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| 19:31.39 | humpty | ronin what ignore list? |
| 19:32.22 | jelly-home | with my little eye, I spot... a troll |
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| 19:33.25 | humpty | no yahoo messenger on debian |
| 19:33.30 | Ronin | jelly-home: indeed |
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| 19:33.40 | humpty | how yahoo messenger install? |
| 19:34.02 | humpty | tell command |
| 19:34.07 | humpty | or download |
| 19:34.17 | oldude67 | download |
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| 19:35.03 | humpty | how download? |
| 19:35.27 | oldude67 | go to yahell and download it |
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| 19:36.13 | phorce1 | freakin udev and it's support programs create VERY UGLY catch-22 situations. Why can 'scsiinfo' not accept a direct scsi host:channel:device:lun ID for getting device info? |
| 19:36.17 | humpty | www.yahell.com no download absent |
| 19:36.22 | PupUser-6aaf2f | I am trying to install Debian. Everything was going find until I got the error: "Install the base system. Debootstrap Error. Invalid Release file: no valid components." what should I do? |
| 19:36.49 | jelly-home | humpty: you speak hindi perhaps? |
| 19:36.49 | FalscherHase | hi. is it possible to loop-mount an iso-image writable? (perhaps with a user space file system?) |
| 19:37.05 | humpty | no download www.yahell.com i want messenger |
| 19:37.11 | snowbird | simonrvn: |
| 19:37.13 | humpty | hindi national language |
| 19:37.22 | AKX | PupUser-6aaf2f: You might not be able to install an unstable/testing Debian with the stable cd. |
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| 19:37.24 | snowbird | MESSENGER GET S MSN |
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| 19:37.27 | phorce1 | /dev/sdd will not work because the freaking kernel /dev name will change every time I add a drive to the other controller |
| 19:37.42 | unsolo_ | for distributed redundant storage what sollution is prefered ? |
| 19:38.11 | PupUser-6aaf2f | AKX: so, what should I do now? (Really don't know what I'm doing) |
| 19:38.26 | AKX | PupUser-6aaf2f: Did it ask you which release you wanted? |
| 19:38.33 | jzxu | where am I supposed to specify the domains I want to search through? I thought it was resolv.conf but I see a comment saying not to edit it |
| 19:38.38 | humpty | how yahoo messenger debian. help |
| 19:38.49 | jelly-home | humpty: it is not in Debian. We can't help you with Debian specific instructions. |
| 19:38.51 | twiggz | humpty: gaim or pidgin. |
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| 19:39.01 | humpty | gaim no yahoo chat room |
| 19:39.07 | jelly-home | humpty: google for yahoo messenger linux |
| 19:39.12 | Ronin | there a hindi #debian? |
| 19:39.12 | humpty | pidgin yahoo chat room? yes or no? |
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| 19:39.25 | jelly-home | Ronin: I doubt. |
| 19:39.27 | humpty | i no hindi. i bhow bhow |
| 19:39.29 | snowbird | HUMTY I GOT GAIM DOES ALL |
| 19:39.34 | snowbird | try gaim |
| 19:39.40 | PupUser-6aaf2f | AKX: I'm not sure. The last thing I told it was to install it on my hard drive |
| 19:39.45 | twiggz | I dont know about your gaim, but i can join yahoo chat rooms with it. |
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| 19:39.50 | twiggz | lol.. |
| 19:39.53 | twiggz | man gaim ? |
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| 19:40.05 | twiggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.07 | humpty | twiggz you use ? |
| 19:40.13 | AKX | PupUser-6aaf2f: Are you using a normal Debian CD, a netinst CD or a businesscard CD? |
| 19:40.13 | twiggz | ^^^ |
| 19:40.24 | PupUser-6aaf2f | AKX: netinst CD |
| 19:40.35 | humpty | no #gaim |
| 19:40.48 | humpty | only #pidgin founded |
| 19:41.08 | wintix | gaim is now pidgin. |
| 19:41.20 | AKX | PupUser-6aaf2f: When it gives the error, it probably gives you the menu of what to do next. Ask it to scan your installation media again, make sure the mirror you choose is a proper one. |
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| 19:42.28 | humpty | pidgin chat room all sleep |
| 19:42.35 | humpty | see see |
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| 19:43.15 | snowbird | howdy humpty dumpty fell offf wall grab gaim jump back on wall and u pc will work |
| 19:43.19 | PupUser-6aaf2f | AKX: After a few more errors, it takes me to the main menu for the Debian Installer. However, I don't see an option for scanning my installation media |
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| 19:43.41 | AKX | PupUser-6aaf2f: What about for selecting a mirror, or an installation source, or somesuch? I can't remember the exact wording :) |
| 19:43.48 | SoulChild | hey , how do i set up my keyboard on tty1 ??? |
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| 19:44.26 | xand | hmm, i'm trying to boot from the etch netinstall cd, but doesnt get any further than "NET: Registered protocl family 2" |
| 19:44.30 | xand | ideas? |
| 19:44.51 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 19:44.51 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:44.56 | snowbird | yeah trow disk out |
| 19:45.01 | humpty | snowbird wrong nursery poem. correct = humpty dumpty sat on a wall, humpty fell down and broke his crown dumpty came tumbling |
| 19:45.25 | snowbird | get live distro use k3b burner check sum reburn |
| 19:45.30 | snowbird | tehn re netinstall |
| 19:45.43 | snowbird | u gparted life to format if u need to wipe drive |
| 19:45.53 | snowbird | sounds like check sum errors |
| 19:46.01 | humpty | yahooo yahoo room list work yahoo yahoo :-) |
| 19:46.01 | PupUser-6aaf2f | AKX: Choose language, select keyboard layout, detect and mount cdrom, load installer components from cd, detect network hardware, configure the network, detect disks, partition disks, configure time zone, configure the clock, set up users and passowrds, install the base systme, configure the package manager, select and install software, install the grub boot loader ona hard disk, install the lilo boot loader on a hard disk, continue w |
| 19:46.12 | humpty | thank you all :-) |
| 19:46.31 | AKX | PupUser-6aaf2f, heh, alright... Try loading installer compontents and configuring the network. |
| 19:46.42 | snowbird | humpty owe ronin a beeer and me rum |
| 19:47.10 | humpty | no bears in my forrist |
| 19:47.11 | SoulChild | where do i change the keyboard layout (not for Xorg) |
| 19:47.13 | phorce1 | PupUser-6aaf2f: "configure the package manager" is the point where it asks you to select mirrors |
| 19:47.22 | humpty | only running in forrist |
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| 19:47.29 | snowbird | forrist? |
| 19:47.35 | SoulChild | where do i change the keyboard layout on textbased tty (not X) |
| 19:47.36 | snowbird | u mean bush? |
| 19:47.48 | humpty | my house into forrist |
| 19:47.51 | snowbird | soulchild try config |
| 19:47.54 | humpty | 1000 trees |
| 19:47.59 | humpty | into that my house |
| 19:48.02 | snowbird | wow cut me firewood |
| 19:48.11 | humpty | no fire in forrist |
| 19:48.13 | SoulChild | snowbird: i haven't config installed |
| 19:48.14 | humpty | raining |
| 19:48.25 | snowbird | apt-get config |
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| 19:48.30 | humpty | using gobar gas lightings |
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| 19:48.50 | SoulChild | snowbird: there s only config-manager and configdebian |
| 19:49.07 | humpty | gaim computer internet see in get list |
| 19:49.08 | snowbird | tryconfig debian |
| 19:49.08 | xand | did I hit my head on something? |
| 19:49.13 | snowbird | yeah |
| 19:49.16 | humpty | then computer internet not opening :( |
| 19:49.37 | snowbird | humpty maybe wait or reeboot |
| 19:49.57 | phorce1 | PupUser-6aaf2f: when you actually reach the point that it loads "tasksel" to select packages just hit escape to get out of the install and reboot. That will leave you with a very bare-bones system. Then manually edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the distro you want (testing or unstable), do an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 19:54.34 | humpty | restart |
| 19:54.43 | humpty | but computers & internet not open :( |
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| 19:56.04 | SoulChild | snowbird: config debian does not exsist |
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| 19:57.34 | g0rd0n | just upgraded a sarge box to etch, and now when i try to log on to that system I get: "Server refused to allocate pty" what happened? |
| 19:57.46 | snowbird | odd use someting then |
| 19:57.50 | snowbird | maybe apt-get it |
| 19:58.02 | snowbird | are u in shell or gui |
| 19:58.06 | g0rd0n | using the etch 2.6.18-4-amd64 kernel |
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| 19:59.15 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: do you have any sessions already logged in and running? |
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| 19:59.43 | g0rd0n | jelly: no, i just restarted the machine |
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| 20:00.57 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: weird. can you reboot, and use single user mode instead? |
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| 20:01.14 | g0rd0n | what do you mean with single user mode |
| 20:01.15 | snowbird | simonrvn: did he die |
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| 20:02.22 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: in grub menu, it's labeled "(recovery mode)" |
| 20:02.32 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: the machine is remote and i dont even have a serial console haha, the only way is to reset the machine into recovery mode and i can access a recovery console and make changes on the fs |
| 20:02.44 | g0rd0n | i don't see the grub menu from here :( |
| 20:02.52 | snowbird | ssh vnc and lan cable |
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| 20:03.08 | g0rd0n | that sucks, i thought the distro kernel would boot without problems :( |
| 20:03.25 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: this is arch i386, right? |
| 20:03.30 | g0rd0n | yes |
| 20:03.39 | g0rd0n | it runs on an opteron, but is 32 bit debian |
| 20:03.47 | jelly-home | (right) |
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| 20:04.09 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: and the upgrade procedure went well? |
| 20:04.14 | g0rd0n | yes |
| 20:04.29 | g0rd0n | web server sql and mail are up |
| 20:04.31 | g0rd0n | working fine |
| 20:04.46 | g0rd0n | aptitude dist-upgrade showed no more packages to upgrade |
| 20:04.48 | g0rd0n | was finished |
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| 20:05.04 | g0rd0n | i folowed the debian release notes howto for upgrades |
| 20:05.06 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: how are you connecting to it, ssh? |
| 20:05.11 | g0rd0n | yes, ssh |
| 20:05.30 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: try adding a -T option to ssh. |
| 20:05.31 | g0rd0n | tried both password and key authentication, same problem |
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| 20:06.19 | black12313 | meow |
| 20:06.27 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: -T might let you log in, but with no tty. It's a bit weird, but at least you can type commands in. |
| 20:06.46 | snowbird | cleminintime cat on lap |
| 20:06.46 | black12313 | btw what does tty stand for ? |
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| 20:07.00 | jelly-home | black12313: google is your friend. |
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| 20:07.21 | black12313 | oh common |
| 20:07.25 | black12313 | !tty |
| 20:07.25 | dpkg | i heard tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 20:07.28 | black12313 | thank you |
| 20:07.38 | jelly-home | !tell black12313 -about msg the bot |
| 20:07.41 | black12313 | !teletype |
| 20:07.51 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: oh ok thanks, will try now... i have putty hehe |
| 20:07.56 | simonrvn | common? common what? |
| 20:08.17 | jelly-home | an uncommon mispeling of "come on!" |
| 20:08.26 | simonrvn | i know ;) |
| 20:08.27 | black12313 | eh |
| 20:08.34 | black12313 | yeah we know |
| 20:08.41 | black12313 | it's a tennis thing |
| 20:08.51 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i should do this ";)" i think |
| 20:08.59 | simonrvn | do this more* |
| 20:09.03 | snowbird | simonrvn: what u wanted abought mb |
| 20:09.08 | simonrvn | ugh, this heat is making my brain fry... |
| 20:09.22 | jelly-home | common cold |
| 20:09.22 | black12313 | lol |
| 20:09.24 | snowbird | simonrvn: were are u? |
| 20:09.33 | simonrvn | snowbird: i saw what you said. swan river? i don't think there's such a thing in MB ;) |
| 20:09.36 | black12313 | !tell snowbird u |
| 20:09.46 | black12313 | !tell u snowbird |
| 20:09.50 | simonrvn | i'm in QC ATM |
| 20:09.52 | black12313 | !u |
| 20:09.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:10.01 | jelly-home | black12313: please stop abusing the bot |
| 20:10.02 | simonrvn | !tell black12313 -about u |
| 20:10.05 | black12313 | i'm not |
| 20:10.16 | black12313 | fine i see |
| 20:10.20 | jelly-home | black12313: you are... being annoying. use /msg dpkg ... |
| 20:10.22 | black12313 | i needed the -about tag |
| 20:10.26 | snowbird | simion you look on map north of winnipeg |
| 20:10.35 | simonrvn | snowbird: ah ok |
| 20:10.46 | black12313 | snowbird are you running etch now ? |
| 20:10.49 | simonrvn | i've lived in winterpeg, fyi |
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| 20:11.19 | snowbird | simonrvn: now were you at? |
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| 20:11.30 | simonrvn | simonrvn> i'm in QC ATM |
| 20:11.45 | snowbird | simonrvn: al wad |
| 20:11.52 | snowbird | simonrvn: ahh |
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| 20:12.12 | snowbird | simonrvn: if i give u model of router can u look for one |
| 20:12.40 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: I have no idea how putty does "no tty allocation", if you figure it out and log in, you won't get a prompt, but the commands will work |
| 20:13.17 | simonrvn | snowbird: i use linux or bsd as router |
| 20:13.24 | snowbird | i need this |
| 20:13.36 | snowbird | so i can leave one pc off |
| 20:13.53 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: ok, i logged in from another linux machine |
| 20:13.58 | g0rd0n | so i am in now without tty |
| 20:14.12 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: ah. Connection -> SSH -> TTY -> "Don't allocate a pseudo-terminal" |
| 20:14.46 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: great. is there a lot of users currently logged in? |
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| 20:14.52 | snowbird | simonrvn: DSL-2640B dlink |
| 20:15.06 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: only me |
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| 20:15.25 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: what does "w" say, how many? |
| 20:15.44 | g0rd0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.44 | g0rd0n | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 20:15.52 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: 0, that's good. |
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| 20:16.04 | jzxu | is there anyway I can dynamically add entries to /etc/hosts (or achieve the equivalent effect) depending on what network I'm connected to? |
| 20:16.06 | simonrvn | snowbird: not dlink, they're crap |
| 20:16.27 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: do you have a /dev/ptmx and a /dev/pts directory? |
| 20:16.35 | snowbird | oh |
| 20:16.46 | Ozux | I want to convert some ogg to mp3, but sox says that compiled without mp3 support, is there any deb for sox, compiled+mp3? |
| 20:17.15 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: if i do a ls -l, both of them return No such file or directory |
| 20:17.24 | AKX | Ozux, try getting lame (probably from a non-free repository) |
| 20:17.31 | snowbird | simonrvn: whats better |
| 20:17.46 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: no /dev/pts support, then. funny |
| 20:18.04 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: is udev running? |
| 20:18.08 | Ozux | AKX: TNx, but what about sox? |
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| 20:18.28 | AKX | Ozux: You can use it to convert the .ogg to a .wav.. |
| 20:18.36 | simonrvn | snowbird: a good one despite it being linksys is wrt54g, it can be modified to have linux on it, and such |
| 20:18.39 | g0rd0n | ps aux | grep udev |
| 20:18.39 | g0rd0n | seba 4059 0.0 0.0 1564 520 ? S 22:18 0:00 grep udev |
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| 20:18.59 | Ozux | AKX: which? lame? |
| 20:19.04 | snowbird | simonrvn: that aint good |
| 20:19.15 | simonrvn | snowbird: why not? |
| 20:19.23 | AKX | Ozux: lame is a mp3 encoder |
| 20:19.25 | pipeline | Ozux: Transcoding from ogg to mp3 will sound like shit. You compound all of the lost information :( |
| 20:19.31 | pipeline | Ozux: I strongly suggest you not do it. |
| 20:19.46 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: hmm. can you pastebin the contents of /proc/mounts |
| 20:19.49 | snowbird | they linksys took of firware for linux and lock up evey couple month |
| 20:19.50 | black12313 | what is in ogg in the first place ? |
| 20:20.04 | pipeline | black12313: ogg vorbis is a lossy audio compressor |
| 20:20.07 | snowbird | going to try dlink |
| 20:20.08 | simonrvn | snowbird: there's open source ones that don't |
| 20:20.10 | black12313 | i know |
| 20:20.16 | black12313 | i asked what is in ogg |
| 20:20.17 | pipeline | black12313: there are other "ogg" projects, but nobody remembers anything but vorbis :P |
| 20:20.23 | black12313 | not what ogg is |
| 20:20.25 | simonrvn | snowbird: really open source, not the crap linksys put out |
| 20:20.32 | snowbird | simonrvn: version of router aint made no more |
| 20:20.36 | black12313 | SILLY |
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| 20:20.42 | simonrvn | snowbird: no that's true :/ |
| 20:20.47 | black12313 | i did not ask what ogg is |
| 20:20.51 | black12313 | i asked what is in it |
| 20:20.55 | black12313 | oh ... lol |
| 20:20.56 | jelly-home | black12313: what is in mp3? |
| 20:21.05 | pipeline | snowbird, simonrvn : They make two versions. One that runs VxWorks and requires half as much memory to do the same job. And then the "GL" version, which is sold to cater to people who like to hack them :P |
| 20:21.15 | snowbird | simonrvn: seee on version of router for oss linux are hard to find |
| 20:21.15 | black12313 | an audio file encoded in mpeg layer 2 |
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| 20:21.22 | pipeline | black12313: A wavelet-based compression scheme, which the authors claim is patent-free. (An obvious lie.) |
| 20:21.23 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: so i assume udev is not running... here is the pastebin http://www.pastebin.org/417 |
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| 20:21.24 | black12313 | with some 3 attached |
| 20:21.28 | jelly-home | black12313: same thing with ogg |
| 20:21.35 | black12313 | eh no |
| 20:21.38 | snowbird | you find me one simonrvn |
| 20:21.38 | black12313 | ogg is different |
| 20:21.41 | Ozux | pipeline: shit is my friend Mobile phone that can't play mp3. |
| 20:21.53 | simonrvn | snowbird: well i don't know what you want |
| 20:21.58 | black12313 | - look aac is much better or .m4a |
| 20:22.01 | pipeline | Ozux: haha, well, ringtones aren't going to sound good no matter what, so fuck it. |
| 20:22.03 | black12313 | mpeg 4 all the way |
| 20:22.05 | simonrvn | best if you did that TBH |
| 20:22.07 | snowbird | that linksyses router wiith linux |
| 20:22.13 | simonrvn | pipeline: thanks for the info |
| 20:22.27 | pipeline | black12313: aac only exhibits better sound quality than MPEG1 at low bitrates. At high bit rates, MPEG-1 layers 2 and 3 are still king :) |
| 20:22.41 | black12313 | no |
| 20:22.43 | pipeline | black12313: m4a is just th extension for the MPEG4 container format. It could very well contain MPEG1 data. |
| 20:22.45 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: are you root? I'm not sure that su will work in that shell |
| 20:22.47 | snowbird | or a adslmodem/router like i showed you |
| 20:22.52 | black12313 | oh look pipleine |
| 20:22.55 | black12313 | your talking shit now |
| 20:22.59 | simonrvn | you showed me one? |
| 20:23.04 | snowbird | il pm |
| 20:23.08 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: if you are, go to /dev and do MAKEDEV ptmx |
| 20:23.08 | graytron | any way to reset the video for linux virtual consoles? |
| 20:23.11 | simonrvn | oh you did |
| 20:23.22 | pipeline | black12313: Slapping dicks out of your moth like it's my job. :) |
| 20:23.28 | black12313 | mouth ? |
| 20:23.34 | pipeline | graytron: If you find yourself up a creek with a locked up console, use the magic sysrq keys, eh? |
| 20:23.34 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: right... unfortunatelly i am not root, root login is disabled (of course)... and... su: must be run from a terminal :( |
| 20:23.39 | pipeline | black12313: I think I like the typo version better. |
| 20:23.48 | black12313 | no |
| 20:23.51 | simonrvn | snowbird: oh i don't do wireless |
| 20:24.01 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: you'll either need to break in or use that recovery console then :-| |
| 20:24.06 | black12313 | i do -modprobe ath_pci |
| 20:24.07 | snowbird | thats fine |
| 20:24.27 | black12313 | (it's blacklisted) |
| 20:24.39 | graytron | pipeline: something happened to all my text mode virtual consoles.. the background has gone green and all characters show up as colored square blocks |
| 20:24.44 | graytron | X works ok |
| 20:24.47 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: basically either make udev work, or manually recreate /dev/ptmx and mount /dev/pts |
| 20:24.52 | black12313 | yay pipe i think wifi fries my brains |
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| 20:24.57 | black12313 | got any silly comments on the matter ? |
| 20:25.10 | pipeline | graytron: sounds like your VESA is really hosed. It'll probably go away after a reboot. Until it happens again :P |
| 20:25.19 | graytron | Green Screen of Death |
| 20:25.26 | pipeline | graytron: That could be caused by hardware problems, or just a card that doesn't implement the standard well :P |
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| 20:25.29 | pipeline | graytron: or drivers... |
| 20:25.31 | black12313 | pipe- rebooting is not a solution in linux |
| 20:25.34 | pipeline | black12313: Tin foil, dawg. |
| 20:25.35 | jelly-home | graytron: except it's not dead, just the console is hosed |
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| 20:25.40 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: it looks like udev isnt even installed |
| 20:25.42 | graytron | pipeline: well i've been using the same hardware for years without problems before |
| 20:25.42 | black12313 | - lol pipe |
| 20:25.52 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: that's good news, IMHO :-) |
| 20:25.55 | g0rd0n | dpkg -l | grep udev gives no output |
| 20:25.55 | dpkg | ii | grep udev gives no output 3.2-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 20:25.56 | g0rd0n | shit |
| 20:25.59 | graytron | pipeline: also kernel for 40 days |
| 20:26.00 | black12313 | what did you just do gray ? |
| 20:26.07 | black12313 | anything differnet ? |
| 20:26.08 | pipeline | graytron: well, sounds like hardware failuer then :( |
| 20:26.20 | black12313 | no |
| 20:26.29 | g0rd0n | so ill run recovery console, chroot into the system, install udev, and reboot... right? |
| 20:26.31 | black12313 | try rebooting - last ditch effort |
| 20:26.48 | xand | why does cpufreq think that 1600Mhz is the fastest my cpu can do? |
| 20:26.51 | pipeline | graytron: Just don't use the console ever again :) |
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| 20:27.05 | graytron | black12313: the only thing i can think of, which might have caused it, is that i installed Vice and set it to use Hardware scaling. also i'm running sarge |
| 20:27.09 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: don't install udev. Instead, create /dev/ptmx, reboot and hope the bootup scripts will mount /dev/pts like they ought to |
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| 20:27.19 | black12313 | k |
| 20:27.19 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: oh, do a mkdir /dev/pts too. |
| 20:27.26 | JeevesMoss | can anyone give me any ideas on how to connect to a remote system (that's running only a term) to get a on the local system? |
| 20:27.27 | black12313 | well undo that ? |
| 20:27.28 | xand | i edited /etc/default/cpufrequtils and modprobed cpufreq_ondemand and powernow_k8 |
| 20:27.30 | black12313 | or reboot |
| 20:27.45 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: why not install udev? |
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| 20:27.55 | xand | JeevesMoss: ssh? |
| 20:28.12 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: udev is a system for dynamically managing /dev directory. I wouldn't use in on a server just yet |
| 20:28.43 | JeevesMoss | xand: the remote system (the server) is totaly shell. But I need to be able to run a GUI on my local system to edit and config things on that server. Is there something like RDP (for windows) on Debian? |
| 20:29.04 | jzxu | :q |
| 20:29.05 | xand | ssh -X |
| 20:29.13 | black12313 | lol |
| 20:29.15 | graytron | pipeline: well thanks for your comments. i'll reboot some day |
| 20:29.16 | jzxu | oops, I have to remember this isn't vim |
| 20:29.16 | jelly-home | JeevesMoss: you don't need a GUI to edit files |
| 20:29.24 | xand | that'll make X programs run on your local display |
| 20:29.39 | xand | JeevesMoss: but debian machines dont need a gui for configuration of anything |
| 20:29.44 | black12313 | doesn't he need x forwarding enabled |
| 20:29.50 | black12313 | - oi use nano |
| 20:29.52 | black12313 | it's easy |
| 20:29.53 | xand | jzxu: yes, you never leave irc! |
| 20:29.54 | JeevesMoss | and: basicly I want to be able to edit ProFTPD, Samba, Apache2, and Posftfix in a GUI (sorry, I'm not that good @ editing txt files). That's why I'm wondering. |
| 20:29.55 | jelly-home | black12313: that's what -X does |
| 20:30.04 | snowbird | mine needs gui to set up |
| 20:30.06 | black12313 | really jelly ? |
| 20:30.14 | jelly-home | black12313: no, I'm shitting you. |
| 20:30.16 | black12313 | i thought he might need to set it up elsewhere on the comptuer first |
| 20:30.27 | black12313 | - secure anyone ? |
| 20:30.34 | JeevesMoss | black12313: yea, basiclly I want X rnning on my local system, but I don't want it running (I only want the text screen) on the remote system |
| 20:30.36 | black12313 | or that just me |
| 20:30.45 | xand | black12313: what? |
| 20:30.55 | black12313 | or is that just me * |
| 20:30.57 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: oh, ok... well, i need to wait up to 2 hours now until the server gets rebooted into recovery... so bbl :) |
| 20:31.01 | g0rd0n | and thanks for your help |
| 20:31.20 | xand | JeevesMoss: you just need X running locally. the remote programs will use your local X server over the ssh connection |
| 20:31.31 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: up to two hours?! I wonder about that system.... |
| 20:31.35 | JeevesMoss | xand: ok, how do I do that? |
| 20:31.56 | xand | JeevesMoss: ssh -X to connect to it, then just run the programs |
| 20:31.57 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: someone needs to go there and put in a recovery CD, or what? :-) |
| 20:32.05 | xand | assuming it's not disabled in the server's sshd_config |
| 20:32.24 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: strange huh? i guess it needs human intervention haha... my own box (which upgraded to etch very well and is using udev) can be restarted in recovery instantaneously, and has a serial console too.. |
| 20:32.44 | g0rd0n | but that's life |
| 20:32.48 | jelly-home | serial consoles <3 |
| 20:33.18 | JeevesMoss | xand: ok, this is the same as PuTTY, I want to be able to have a connection to the server with a GUI locally |
| 20:33.27 | g0rd0n | =) |
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| 20:33.42 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: well, something messed up your /dev entries. you'll need to check up the system after it boots properly |
| 20:33.52 | g0rd0n | ok |
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| 20:34.14 | black12313 | oi can some one tell me how to get ktorrent to show people's countries ? |
| 20:34.36 | JeevesMoss | xand: unless you can think of a way of graphiclly admining PureFTPD, Samba, APACHE2, and PostFix remotly |
| 20:34.40 | l3jj | short of recompiling mailman, is there an easy way to get it to work with postfix? |
| 20:34.42 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: do you have sudo permissions? |
| 20:34.52 | black12313 | jeeves - webadmin ? |
| 20:34.55 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: no idea |
| 20:34.58 | black12313 | webmin * |
| 20:35.27 | JeevesMoss | black12313: I'd prefer not to use webadmin. it'll be hosting 3-6 v-hosts, so it's not pratical. |
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| 20:35.32 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: you don't if you haven't set it up. Pity, sudo can run tty-less |
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| 20:36.08 | g0rd0n | Sorry, try again. |
| 20:36.08 | g0rd0n | Password: |
| 20:36.09 | g0rd0n | :( |
| 20:36.10 | black12313 | oh i see |
| 20:36.21 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: it's _your_ password |
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| 20:36.27 | JeevesMoss | black12313: that's why I'm looking for something better than webadmin |
| 20:36.29 | g0rd0n | not the root pass? |
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| 20:36.38 | black12313 | ah |
| 20:36.40 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: right |
| 20:36.43 | g0rd0n | seba is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 20:36.43 | xand | !webmin |
| 20:36.43 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 20:36.43 | g0rd0n | heh |
| 20:36.45 | black12313 | and you cannot just run one server because ? |
| 20:37.14 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: yah, not configured |
| 20:37.14 | black12313 | oh i didn't realise |
| 20:37.19 | black12313 | - i don't use it my self but ... |
| 20:37.29 | JeevesMoss | black12313: long story. I need to host all 3 sites, and I'd prefer to prevent any other access. That's why I'd like to have something that's a graphical SSH connection |
| 20:37.41 | black12313 | fair enough |
| 20:37.46 | black12313 | but 3 servers ? |
| 20:38.04 | black12313 | do you really need 3 |
| 20:38.05 | JeevesMoss | black12313: yep, and possibly more!!! |
| 20:38.09 | black12313 | because ? |
| 20:38.47 | JeevesMoss | black12313: one for my family (don't ask), one for me, and one for the fiance. And then now that I think about it, there is a fourth server running there that will be used to make $$ |
| 20:38.48 | DustyBin | what is a graphical ssh connection? |
| 20:38.50 | black12313 | wait for an explanation .. |
| 20:38.56 | jelly-home | JeevesMoss: there are commercial solutions for simplified administration |
| 20:39.04 | black12313 | wtf why do you need different computers for them |
| 20:39.09 | JeevesMoss | jelly-home: hummm, I'm broke? |
| 20:39.10 | black12313 | you could just use one |
| 20:39.25 | black12313 | yeah that is why you can afford to waste power and money |
| 20:39.27 | black12313 | on comptuers |
| 20:39.29 | JeevesMoss | black12313: I'm not. it's a single server running v-hosts |
| 20:39.31 | jelly-home | JeevesMoss: that's always a problem |
| 20:39.32 | black12313 | OH good |
| 20:39.37 | black12313 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.48 | black12313 | much better |
| 20:39.51 | black12313 | ok now i'm happy |
| 20:40.02 | black12313 | yeah go for ssh-x |
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| 20:40.11 | black12313 | but you will need x clients on the road no ? |
| 20:40.19 | black12313 | i would use ssh and vnc |
| 20:40.25 | black12313 | and tunnel vnc over ssh |
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| 20:40.37 | black12313 | - same thing as x ... overssh but with vnc |
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| 20:40.43 | tofaffy | How can I check if my debian net install cd is the latest? |
| 20:40.54 | JeevesMoss | black12313: well, I tried that SSH-x thing, and all I got was the shell on the remote system. and all that the outside wrold needs to see if the HTTP server. and there will also be FTP, mail, HTTP on each domain. that's why I wanted a GUI to admin it |
| 20:40.58 | jelly-home | JeevesMoss: you could take a look at VNC, xrdp, or that nomachine thingy |
| 20:41.01 | epsilon2 | does it have any version info in root dir? |
| 20:41.33 | JeevesMoss | jelly-home: the remote server is a 1.5Ghz system and dosn't have the umph to be running X. that's why I only installed it in shell |
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| 20:41.44 | epsilon2 | if you have => 4.0, you have latest |
| 20:41.47 | somiaj | trying to compile the mach64 drivers for a laptop. I have the following issue, since kernel 2.6.19 the kernel headers have been redesigned so linux/config.h does not exist anymore so I get errors when trying to compile the mach64 drivers. I have looked for a patch for the driver or methods to fix with no avial, any suggestions? |
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| 20:42.04 | tofaffy | epsilon, so it doesn't matter that I got my net install cd in 2005? |
| 20:42.09 | tofaffy | as long ast it's version 4 |
| 20:42.31 | black12313 | lol tofaffy... |
| 20:42.33 | DustyBin | why do you need X on a remote server anyway? |
| 20:42.37 | epsilon2 | 2005 sounds more like sarge, 3.1 |
| 20:42.52 | xlotlu | is it possible to set up routing by protocol? |
| 20:42.57 | tofaffy | oh...it is sarge. Crap. Will it still work, then I can dist-upgarade |
| 20:42.59 | somiaj | tofaffy: if you have a stable netinstall cd, you can easilly upgrade to the current stable version after a base install fairly easy. The new netinstall cds just have some new install features, but if they are not needed its not a big deal. |
| 20:43.02 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: I DON'T need X on the remote system. I need it LOCALY t control the configuration on the REMOTE server |
| 20:43.06 | jelly-home | tofaffy: 4.0 was released this year. |
| 20:43.19 | xlotlu | or at least routing by destination port? |
| 20:43.31 | black12313 | etch might have been unstable in 2005 but it's stable now |
| 20:43.52 | tofaffy | somiaj, so it wont be hard to dist-upgrade and stuff? |
| 20:43.54 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: you can change the configuration using the shell on both machines |
| 20:43.55 | jelly-home | black12313: "etch" was never unstable |
| 20:43.56 | snowbird | why is when you upgrade pood good bye x |
| 20:44.01 | black12313 | eh no ? |
| 20:44.03 | black12313 | never ? |
| 20:44.07 | jelly-home | never. |
| 20:44.10 | snowbird | and u neeed a romote to fix |
| 20:44.10 | black12313 | bs |
| 20:44.38 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: I want to be able to do it in a GUI. I'm not that strong @ teh shell yet, hence why I want the GUI |
| 20:44.38 | black12313 | ok what is the next release ? |
| 20:44.38 | jelly-home | black12313: /msg dpkg unstable |
| 20:44.38 | somiaj | tofaffy: no its not, to save yourself time make sure you just install a base install, dno't use taskel or anything like that to pull in extra packages |
| 20:44.38 | somiaj | black12313: etch has never been unstable, sid is always unstable, you ment testing |
| 20:44.42 | tofaffy | somiaj, how do I just do the base? |
| 20:44.44 | black12313 | no |
| 20:44.47 | black12313 | i meant unstable |
| 20:44.53 | black12313 | i thought the names were moved around |
| 20:44.54 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: I think you should start to learn how to use the shell instead of messing around with a GUI |
| 20:44.59 | snowbird | is samba best way to network two pcs |
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| 20:45.11 | tofaffy | snowbird, samba is good for hsaring between linux and windows. |
| 20:45.12 | black12313 | like it started with x toy story character and it moves down the line |
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| 20:45.16 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: Is there a simple GUI option to do it? |
| 20:45.23 | jelly-home | black12313: sorry, /msg dpkg releases |
| 20:45.23 | somiaj | black12313: sid has been unstable for at least 6 years, the testing/stable names get cycled though, but sid is *always* unstable |
| 20:45.26 | mviahal | any #ubuntu op here? |
| 20:45.27 | epsilon2 | snowbird, depends on OS |
| 20:45.31 | snowbird | or is there someting lill better like remote into xp |
| 20:45.45 | somiaj | tofaffy: just when it gets to the point and asks if you would like to install additional package groups say no. |
| 20:45.49 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: what kind of things to you want to control on your remote server? |
| 20:45.55 | tofaffy | k...thanks |
| 20:45.57 | mviahal | i find myself to be banned in #ubuntu. :-O |
| 20:46.02 | black12313 | ok it makes sens now |
| 20:46.05 | black12313 | yeah sid the kid |
| 20:46.07 | snowbird | and here is etch or on lap top is 4 gig 400 drive runnin mac os |
| 20:46.10 | tofaffy | I may end up just getting the floppies. My cd burner is dead |
| 20:46.11 | epsilon2 | snowbird, for linux/Windows file access, samba's fine |
| 20:46.13 | black12313 | that crazy toy story kid |
| 20:46.27 | simonrvn | snowbird: netatalk with mac os classic |
| 20:46.55 | snowbird | its intell hardware wits os on it |
| 20:47.09 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: Since there will be 3+ v-hosts on the system, I'm getting VERY lost in editing the config files, so I'd like to be able to config the Samba, FTP, HTTP, and FTP servers so I can make sure that each sub system is configured corectly |
| 20:47.14 | snowbird | hey is 4 gigs ram enough duall quad core 400 gig laptop? |
| 20:47.15 | DustyBin | is there a such thing as a open-source CPANEL out there? |
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| 20:47.46 | snowbird | hey antgel |
| 20:47.56 | black12313 | so |
| 20:48.04 | epsilon2 | 4GB RAM 4-Core CPU on laptop?! |
| 20:48.09 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: what about this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Cpanel-screenshot.png |
| 20:48.15 | black12313 | epsilson2 what is the point ? |
| 20:48.17 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 20:49.34 | snowbird | some one dropped lap top i got of accountant and had to change screen |
| 20:49.51 | black12313 | eh snow ? |
| 20:49.52 | snowbird | it was formated so i threw mac os on it |
| 20:50.01 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: once again, quicktme eats my IE session |
| 20:50.10 | black12313 | wtf snow ? |
| 20:50.31 | snowbird | what the? |
| 20:50.36 | yos87 | how can I know my Gnome version? |
| 20:50.44 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: from what I can see, that looks like that I'd like. What is it? |
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| 20:51.06 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: CPANEL, buts its a commercial product, there might be some open-source alternatives around |
| 20:51.20 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: I'm sure there is a torrent out there somewhere |
| 20:51.35 | DustyBin | this isnt the channel or place to discuss such issues |
| 20:51.48 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: but how does it install, etc? |
| 20:52.03 | DustyBin | i've never used it, RTFM |
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| 20:54.44 | angasule | bleh, isn't the expert mode install, you know, for experts? it doesn't seem to allow changing the friggin' *timezone* |
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| 20:55.24 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: holly c#$@, it's like $1,400 |
| 20:56.11 | rr700ix | hey whatsup angasule |
| 20:56.28 | rr700ix | angasule: did u get the netinstall going? |
| 20:56.33 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: take a look at this, this is open-source: http://www.webmin.com/ |
| 20:56.40 | angasule | rr700ix: using the netinstall image to install on a vm that's close to my laptop, to learn the procedure |
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| 20:56.55 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: ok, I'll have a quick look. I like free. |
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| 20:57.20 | angasule | and I'm p*ssed that it won't allow me to set the *timezone* |
| 20:57.28 | rr700ix | yeah i installed it also on my xp box using qemu also, worked great |
| 20:57.31 | RichiH | angasule: netinstall lets you select the timezone |
| 20:57.53 | angasule | RichiH: it didn't for me, maybe it has to do with which language you select? |
| 20:58.02 | RichiH | hmm, expert mode? afaik, those things are handled via levels, so that does not make sense |
| 20:58.10 | RichiH | angasule: definately not |
| 20:58.19 | RichiH | at least not for german nor for english |
| 20:58.30 | RichiH | angasule: ask in #debian-boot, i guess |
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| 20:58.38 | angasule | it told me that since I chose UK for language, I was in the UK/London timezone |
| 20:58.41 | rr700ix | i always get timezone options in any distro for that matter, whta language u picking angasule |
| 20:59.03 | antgel | !tell rr700ix about u |
| 20:59.05 | angasule | UK, I like UK english |
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| 20:59.50 | snowbird | has any one beeen able to have firefox defalt |
| 21:00.09 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: quicktime is still killing my IE. how much have you worked with the second product? and have you seen any reviews? |
| 21:00.18 | rr700ix | what's wrong with U in irc ? |
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| 21:00.51 | helo_ | i have a high latency connection... is there some way i can get ntpdate to just do as well as it can with the server given, rather than just giving up? |
| 21:01.27 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: I have never used webmin. what do you mean by quicktime is killing your IE? havent you removed windows yet and installed linux? |
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| 21:02.06 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: any news on something that'll show a updated screen (plus the log in prompt) in the shell for the bandwidth, CPU usage, stats on each server, etc? |
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| 21:02.41 | DustyBin | sysinfo.pl ? |
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| 21:03.39 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: do you know what I'm talking about? insted of just the prompt for the log in, I'd like something that activly shows the stats in text with the log in prompt |
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| 21:04.59 | bjwebb | hello, i used xubuntu on my old pc, but it started many processes by default, so was not as fast as i have liked |
| 21:05.09 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss, like this: SysInfo: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 | Dual Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz 3192.352 MHz | Bogomips: 12773.25 | Mem: 639/1012M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 444.82G Free: 393.32G | Procs: 126 | Uptime: 3 days 4 hrs 1 min 17 secs | Load: 0.06 0.14 0.25 | Vpenis: 173.6 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) | eth0: In: 111.83M Out: 1023.28M |
| 21:05.19 | bjwebb | would the debian xcfe cd run faster? (128MB ram btw) |
| 21:06.01 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: I was thinking something a little more graphical (but rendered in text) with some graphs, etc. then @ the bottom of it, have the log in prompt. |
| 21:06.12 | DustyBin | I havent a clue |
| 21:06.14 | antgel | bjwebb: what makes you so sure that the number of process was the cause of the slow speed? |
| 21:06.31 | bjwebb | because Xubuntu with fluxbox instead is fairly slow |
| 21:06.39 | bjwebb | and DSL is faster |
| 21:06.47 | bjwebb | antgel: what else would you suggest? |
| 21:06.51 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: it's not a big thing, I just think it'd look cool, and when the server is sitting in the location, then I can just ask them if the RAM bar is @ the top or the CPU, etc. if I'm having problems |
| 21:07.25 | antgel | bjwebb: i don't think that the only difference is the number of processes. just try it |
| 21:07.42 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: sounds like your a bit 'windowsy' |
| 21:08.29 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: sounds like I've had too much wine!! LOL |
| 21:08.33 | angasule | frack, can't install to /target/ |
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| 21:09.13 | bjwebb | antgel: what else could the difference be?; but anyway, debians xcfe cd would run less processes wouldn't it |
| 21:09.26 | snowbird | how do i amke fire fox defalt? |
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| 21:10.46 | itchi | snowbird: update-alternatives |
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| 21:11.44 | itchi | DustyBin: Do you share some stuff? Seems that have much data that goes out :-p |
| 21:11.52 | snowbird | waht uyou mean update like that |
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| 21:12.19 | DustyBin | itchi: i do a 24.7 stream to shoutcast server |
| 21:12.21 | itchi | bjwebb: You want to fine tune and disable some non-needed services and such |
| 21:12.49 | bjwebb | itchi: id rather just use a distro that doesn't start them |
| 21:13.01 | bjwebb | would debian have less services than ubuntu? |
| 21:13.15 | itchi | snowbird: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 21:13.48 | itchi | bjwebb: You may tweak it anyway, i dunno about *buntu |
| 21:14.01 | DustyBin | has anyone managed to install a 2.6.21 kernel together with the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:14.20 | itchi | DustyBin: Yes :-) |
| 21:14.38 | snowbird | do i need apt get infront? |
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| 21:14.49 | bjwebb | ill try debian anyway - id like to try a less n00by distro |
| 21:14.55 | DustyBin | itchi: i downloaded a 2.6.21 kernel from backports but it wouldnt let me install the nvidia driver, it stopped and warned me about a GPL license? |
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| 21:15.27 | itchi | DustyBin: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-da25e4acfc1b456e21717d2178b938ba4306e9cd and read, look to that link and on that new page, if you want there's a download link to the patched nvidia stuff |
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| 21:15.35 | DustyBin | thanks :) |
| 21:15.47 | itchi | DustyBin: I mean, read that link on the wiki |
| 21:15.54 | DustyBin | ok |
| 21:15.56 | JeevesMoss | dustybin: how do I create a directory and share it through Samba? |
| 21:16.00 | snowbird | sweet |
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| 21:16.27 | itchi | JeevesMoss: Be reading the man pages :-p |
| 21:16.37 | DustyBin | JeevesMoss: http://wiki.debian.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=samba&titlesearch=Titles |
| 21:16.43 | exs | Is there any out-of-box ready USB/PCI WiFi devices that work with ubuntu? |
| 21:16.44 | JeevesMoss | itchi: thanks, that's REAL productive |
| 21:16.51 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 21:16.54 | itchi | JeevesMoss: Bah, for such things, you need to read a bit, serious. Cause you may do some sad things if you not know how ... |
| 21:17.14 | snowbird | thast good comand |
| 21:17.17 | angasule | JeevesMoss: reading the documentation should always be step #1 |
| 21:17.37 | angasule | oh noes, I've been made! |
| 21:18.13 | itchi | exs: Ask on #ubuntu, i (we) dunno about it here |
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| 21:18.22 | itchi | s/we/us/ |
| 21:18.37 | exs | itchi: would it not be the same for debian?.. it falls under linuix |
| 21:18.50 | DustyBin | itchi i found it: http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/ thank you :) |
| 21:18.54 | itchi | exs: Sure, but like you told about ubuntu :-p |
| 21:19.10 | itchi | DustyBin: That's the good link :-) Read the bottom too ;-) |
| 21:19.41 | itchi | exs: There's very less cards that work out of the box anyway :-s |
| 21:19.53 | itchi | That stupid firware thingy ... |
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| 21:20.40 | snowbird | my stream tuner can find live 365 song list |
| 21:21.04 | itchi | exs: I'm very happy about my Intel 3945 if you want to know, it work out of the box, but i still need that non-free firmware. It's just a matter of aptitude install foo ... But if you plan to install thought netinstall or so, forget it |
| 21:21.27 | exs | nah i need one with a no-net-access to start off with |
| 21:21.29 | DustyBin | "Although I don"t think so it might even blow your computer, more possibly just wipe something important ;-) |
| 21:21.36 | DustyBin | :-S |
| 21:21.36 | snowbird | is it factory debian box? |
| 21:21.55 | exs | im willing to splash my money on this. surley there's some products available? |
| 21:21.58 | exs | it's ubuntu 6.06 |
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| 21:22.16 | DustyBin | itchi: thankfully ive rsynced my server today :) |
| 21:22.34 | itchi | DustyBin: No probs ;-) |
| 21:23.30 | itchi | exs: I dunno honnesty, i alway had need for that stupid firmware with the few cards i have seen passed thought me |
| 21:23.46 | simonrvn | exs: #ubuntu |
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| 21:26.28 | thedonvaughn | itchi: yup my ipw3945 works beautifully on my laptop as well. sure it's non-gpl firmware.. sure as hell beants ndiswrapper crap tho |
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| 21:27.18 | angasule | both lilo and ubuntu say they can't install to /target/ which truly mistifies me |
| 21:27.25 | itchi | thedonvaughn: I not realy understand that honesty, i thougth Intel shared the things and made if 'free'. Just not that firware. Still weird spirit that brand |
| 21:27.36 | itchi | s/if/it/ |
| 21:27.47 | thedonvaughn | yah |
| 21:27.48 | itchi | Anyway, it works very well :-) |
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| 21:27.51 | stoned | hey |
| 21:27.54 | stoned | itchi: man whats up |
| 21:27.59 | stoned | itchi: you had the baby yet? |
| 21:28.07 | thedonvaughn | they just don't want to give the source up to everything just yet... but yah i agree intel for the most part is awsome when it comes to linux |
| 21:28.09 | itchi | stoned: Yeah, The 1 june |
| 21:28.15 | stoned | congradulations man |
| 21:28.19 | itchi | stoned: Thanks :-) |
| 21:28.25 | stoned | so what did you name it |
| 21:28.30 | itchi | I'm much lesser here since he is there too :-p |
| 21:28.37 | stoned | yeh obviously |
| 21:28.39 | stoned | kids come first |
| 21:28.39 | stoned | :) |
| 21:28.45 | stoned | im proud of you man |
| 21:28.53 | itchi | And i have another job too, big changes |
| 21:28.57 | itchi | stoned: Thanks! :-) |
| 21:29.05 | stoned | yeh big changes |
| 21:29.10 | stoned | big diaper changes |
| 21:29.11 | stoned | heheh |
| 21:29.19 | itchi | It's just that time that sucks, but it already sucked before too :-) |
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| 21:29.51 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.59 | stoned | guy couldn't delete his emails in outlook |
| 21:30.07 | snowbird | hey stoned |
| 21:30.09 | itchi | stoned: hehe :-p |
| 21:30.10 | stoned | 5 minute job, I spend 2 hours there |
| 21:30.12 | stoned | made 200$ |
| 21:30.18 | thedonvaughn | wow someone paid u for that? nice :) |
| 21:30.23 | stoned | always man |
| 21:30.26 | stoned | this is how i make a living now |
| 21:30.28 | itchi | stoned: Oh, i missed a line it seems; we have called him Ylias |
| 21:30.32 | pipeline | itchi: legal requirements make it dangerous to make everything for wireless free. |
| 21:30.47 | stoned | nice name |
| 21:30.51 | pipeline | itchi: It makes you look bad in front of the FCC if you ship a wireless chipset with a software-controlled radio, then make it possible to control the radio easily |
| 21:30.54 | stoned | my grandfather is named ilyas |
| 21:31.00 | stoned | its an arabic/hebrew name |
| 21:31.14 | stoned | cool cool |
| 21:31.16 | itchi | pipeline: Thanks for these great info :-) |
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| 21:31.34 | itchi | stoned: Yeah, we have fight and change many of names, finally it's become Ylias heh :-) |
| 21:31.53 | itchi | It's not that easy to choice a name |
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| 21:32.16 | stoned | I got a 50hrs/wk job, but if i can pickup 2-4 appointments on the weekend |
| 21:32.23 | stoned | I can make extra couple hundred bucks a week |
| 21:33.13 | pipeline | itchi: never mind that ipw3945 has been reverse engineered and the proprietary bits aren't really necessary. It's all about appearances :P |
| 21:33.23 | itchi | stoned: That's seems much work heh, we work here for 37 hours here |
| 21:33.39 | itchi | 8 hours a day and the friday a bit lesser |
| 21:33.40 | twb | pipeline: especially since the FCC has no jurisdiction in my country... |
| 21:33.44 | stoned | i love my job man |
| 21:33.50 | stoned | I sit around and boss people around |
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| 21:33.59 | stoned | i watch youtube all day , listen to metal music at work |
| 21:34.03 | itchi | stoned: Glad to hear it ;-) |
| 21:34.05 | stoned | chit chat with peopple |
| 21:34.08 | stoned | hehe its cool |
| 21:34.15 | stoned | only thing is, I can't get high at work |
| 21:34.21 | stoned | other than that, its just like being home |
| 21:34.21 | itchi | stoned: Bah, i may change of job soon, i'm sure! |
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| 21:34.24 | twb | stoned: I get up at 11am and ssh into the irc server at work |
| 21:34.31 | itchi | Stupid team leader that i have ... |
| 21:34.48 | twb | I don't even have to wear pants or get out of bed most days |
| 21:35.21 | itchi | Bah, stupid is he not, realy not, that's the problem i have with him heh. Work work work, and work |
| 21:35.23 | twb | I'm only in the office today because there's an outage at home |
| 21:35.41 | snowbird | i hate friigen alsa what does it not hold my friggin sound |
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| 21:36.28 | pipeline | twb: Guess what: Your country probably doesn't matter to Intel. |
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| 21:36.44 | twb | I thought we were talking about broadcom |
| 21:36.45 | pipeline | twb: The U.S. and its laws have a disproportionate influence on products because it's the world's second largest market and third largest country :P |
| 21:36.49 | itchi | bah, i need sleep heh :-p |
| 21:36.59 | stoned | snowbird: what is the problem? |
| 21:37.00 | itchi | Guys! i see you laters ;-)µ |
| 21:37.03 | twb | It's not the third largest |
| 21:37.12 | twb | Australia is the same size as .us |
| 21:37.16 | snowbird | re runing alsa config |
| 21:37.17 | stoned | itchi: bye |
| 21:37.21 | itchi | Have a nice night my lovely guys ;-) |
| 21:37.24 | pipeline | twb: By the only interesting metric, it's the third largest :) |
| 21:37.34 | DustyBin | when I: apt-get source linux-kbuild-2.6.21 it downloaded: linux-kbuild-2.6_2.6.18 source code files? why didnt it download 2.6.21 source code? |
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| 21:37.40 | twb | Whatever |
| 21:37.46 | streuner | twb: size doesn't matter ™ ;-) |
| 21:37.53 | stoned | hah |
| 21:37.58 | snowbird | enor holds sound now i got non even after i re ran alsa |
| 21:38.02 | snowbird | stoned hold on |
| 21:38.47 | pipeline | twb: p.s. Australia is much smaller than the U.S. 7.6m sq km versus 9.8m ;) |
| 21:39.09 | snowbird | going to reeboot |
| 21:39.17 | stoned | toober |
| 21:39.50 | streuner | .ca is bigger vs. US |
| 21:39.54 | streuner | btw |
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| 21:40.04 | stoned | dude |
| 21:40.09 | stoned | my country can fit inside texas |
| 21:40.11 | stoned | how about that |
| 21:40.30 | angasule | stoned: what's your country? |
| 21:40.51 | stoned | pakistan |
| 21:41.03 | mavhk | you have your own country? wow, rich |
| 21:41.16 | jelly-home | stoned: obviously you need to invade and annex texas! |
| 21:41.22 | stoned | lol |
| 21:41.29 | stoned | im talking about the size |
| 21:41.47 | jelly-home | I'm talking about land. |
| 21:41.51 | stoned | i know |
| 21:41.51 | angasule | jelly-home: I think they have enough gun-totting nutjobs with the taliban |
| 21:42.14 | jelly-home | angasule: put them to good use! |
| 21:42.16 | stoned | taliban is a plural for 'those who want" |
| 21:42.23 | stoned | talib means someone who wants |
| 21:42.26 | stoned | talb means to want |
| 21:42.35 | stoned | what do they want |
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| 21:42.37 | stoned | i have no idea |
| 21:42.44 | stoned | but they are pissin me off, thats all i know |
| 21:42.48 | pipeline | angasule: You realize that nearly everyone in Afghanistan totes guns and could conceivably be considered a nutjob for that reason? :P |
| 21:42.54 | mavhk | give them all hdtvs or something |
| 21:42.57 | stoned | lol |
| 21:42.59 | pipeline | angasule: 50 years of soviet small arms production doesn't disappear overnight. |
| 21:43.02 | stoned | smokeforpeace.com end the war |
| 21:43.06 | angasule | pipeline: err, I don't think carrying a gun automatically makes you a nutjob |
| 21:43.06 | stoned | lets all toke and chillax |
| 21:43.31 | pipeline | angasule: Most of the western world disagrees with you. Not that I particularly agree with that lot, but hey. |
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| 21:44.00 | jelly-home | pipeline: you speak for "most of the western world"? |
| 21:44.06 | angasule | pipeline: not really, most countries agree that the fact that policemen carry guns doesn't make them nutjobs, it's other things that make policemen nutjobs :P |
| 21:44.07 | snowbird | stoned here the trouble i boot pc i get kde sounds |
| 21:44.15 | stoned | snowbird: ok |
| 21:44.18 | snowbird | when in kde i have to reload sound to get sound |
| 21:44.18 | angasule | jelly-home: I do, I'm an emissary of the FSM |
| 21:44.27 | stoned | so alsa is working, and alsa works on under arts |
| 21:44.30 | snowbird | stoned live 365 wont get songs |
| 21:44.42 | dacs | if i want to grep for more than one thing how can i do that in one line |
| 21:44.42 | snowbird | maybe try arts |
| 21:44.45 | stoned | snowbird: i dunno what that is, but your sound works fine i guess |
| 21:44.49 | snowbird | its reaaaaaaaaaaaaly old card |
| 21:44.51 | jelly-home | angasule: sorry, no idea what FSM are |
| 21:44.53 | stoned | snowbird: I would actually disable arts |
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| 21:45.02 | snowbird | how do u disable arts |
| 21:45.05 | pipeline | jelly-home: No, but I take standing laws as speech :) |
| 21:45.05 | stoned | snowbird: and im guessing you've already ran 'alsaconf' as root? |
| 21:45.09 | angasule | jelly-home: Flying Spaghetti Monster? :) |
| 21:45.11 | snowbird | yah |
| 21:45.13 | stoned | snowbird: ask in #kde |
| 21:45.21 | snowbird | how i turn of art |
| 21:45.29 | jelly-home | angasule: eh, a freakin religion! |
| 21:45.32 | pipeline | snowbird: Uninstall artsd. *shrug* |
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| 21:45.43 | stoned | snowbird: i think, kconrtol (kde control center) > sound and multimedia > sound system |
| 21:45.43 | streuner | run "kcontrol" and disable soundserver |
| 21:45.45 | angasule | jelly-home: it's a spaghetti religion! |
| 21:45.47 | dacs | ./say cat data.0 | grep "VOL","Type" >> report |
| 21:45.55 | stoned | im on xp now |
| 21:45.55 | angasule | gaaah, grub and lilo refuse to install :( |
| 21:45.57 | stoned | I dunno |
| 21:45.59 | jelly-home | angasule: I prefer religions that make sense. :-) |
| 21:46.08 | stoned | I don't prefer religions |
| 21:46.10 | stoned | how about that |
| 21:46.18 | petemc | dacs: egrep "(foo|bar)" |
| 21:46.33 | mavhk | if they make sense they're not religions |
| 21:46.48 | dacs | petemc does it have to be egrep , what if i don't have it |
| 21:46.56 | jelly-home | dacs: you do. |
| 21:46.57 | angasule | jelly-home: I'm sure going /there/ is OT here :P |
| 21:47.21 | jelly-home | angasule: agreed |
| 21:47.21 | dacs | jelly-home are you sure that solaris has it |
| 21:47.33 | jelly-home | dacs: this is not #solaris |
| 21:47.34 | stoned | trying to keep, up, with you... and I don't know if i can do it |
| 21:47.38 | stoned | oh no I've said too much |
| 21:47.44 | stoned | I haven't said enough |
| 21:47.44 | angasule | can someone help me with lilo and grub? neither will install, and I can't see why, my setup is simple hda1 is swap, hda2 is ext2 (/) |
| 21:47.50 | snowbird | hold on |
| 21:48.05 | stoned | thats me in the corner, thats me in the spot light, losing my religion |
| 21:48.06 | stoned | la de da |
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| 21:48.07 | jelly-home | dacs: and yes, I'm pretty sure that Solaris has it. |
| 21:48.08 | stoned | and so forth |
| 21:48.47 | jelly-home | dacs: or use "grep -E " which is the same thing |
| 21:48.51 | snowbird | now i got no sound at all |
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| 21:49.15 | stoned | well yeah |
| 21:49.24 | stoned | arts turned off == no kde sounds |
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| 21:49.30 | stoned | try to play a music file see what happens |
| 21:49.42 | snowbird | no i nevor did arts yet |
| 21:49.46 | stoned | oh |
| 21:49.53 | snowbird | i just try\ied alsa after boot |
| 21:50.05 | stoned | you don't have to reboot all the time you know |
| 21:50.07 | snowbird | tehn after alsa wortking i was after art |
| 21:50.12 | dacs | jelly-home can i do it with cgrep |
| 21:50.14 | snowbird | nevor got alsa to work yt |
| 21:50.27 | stoned | !alsa |
| 21:50.30 | dpkg | alsa is probably http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 21:50.45 | stoned | snowbird: try /msg dpkg alsa install |
| 21:50.45 | jelly-home | dacs: I have no idea what cgrep is, sorry |
| 21:51.16 | snowbird | yeah stoned il go to kde room next |
| 21:51.25 | stoned | thats for arts only though |
| 21:51.50 | stoned | you can get alsa help here, I was just saying, in kde room you'll find ALL kde users while in debian you may or may not |
| 21:52.08 | snowbird | alsa cant find card amybe died |
| 21:52.14 | dacs | jelly-home becouse when i do grep -E i get Usage grep -hblcnsviw |
| 21:52.24 | stoned | oh alsa can't find a card? |
| 21:52.27 | stoned | which card is it? |
| 21:52.38 | snowbird | sound blaster live 4810 |
| 21:52.49 | snowbird | alsa lost card let me see if i can find another |
| 21:52.50 | jelly-home | dacs: grep manual in Solaris has examples for 'foo|bar' usage. You a) want to use /usr/xpg4/bin/grep, and b) are not asking in the correct place |
| 21:53.45 | jelly-home | this is not #solaris (duh) |
| 21:53.52 | toop22 | elo |
| 21:54.08 | snowbird | cant find card |
| 21:54.23 | angasule | I'm installing with the netinstall iso, and for some reason both grub and lilo are failing, /hda1 is swap (128MB) and hda2 is ext2 (root /) |
| 21:54.44 | snowbird | blasted card |
| 21:54.58 | toop22 | nie rozumiem !! |
| 21:55.10 | toop22 | hah |
| 21:55.24 | stoned | snowbird: lsmod |grep emu10k1 |
| 21:55.37 | jelly-home | !pl |
| 21:55.37 | dpkg | i heard pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 21:55.39 | stoned | snowbird: see if you get an output |
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| 21:56.47 | snowbird | nothing |
| 21:56.59 | snowbird | is card dead |
| 21:57.02 | stoned | snowbird: as root, modprobe emu10k1 |
| 21:57.03 | stoned | oh |
| 21:57.06 | stoned | no |
| 21:57.16 | stoned | maybe, but load this module |
| 21:58.00 | stoned | that is the driver for your sound card |
| 21:58.15 | snowbird | fatal modula not fio\ound |
| 21:58.25 | jelly-home | that doesn't sound like an ALSA driver module |
| 21:58.40 | snowbird | that is the chipset |
| 21:58.47 | snowbird | what should i dooo |
| 21:58.59 | snowbird | shit |
| 21:59.02 | jelly-home | run in circles, scream and shout? |
| 21:59.07 | snowbird | card died? |
| 21:59.18 | stoned | probably not |
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| 21:59.35 | rr700ix | !codecs |
| 21:59.35 | dpkg | methinks codecs is See w32codecs, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=19555 |
| 22:00.01 | snowbird | stoned alsa used to pick up should i look for another newer one |
| 22:00.09 | dacs | petemc thanks man egrep worked |
| 22:00.15 | petemc | np |
| 22:00.38 | angasule | heck, please, at least tell me to RTFM, I don't see a reason for both grub and lilo to fail this way |
| 22:01.18 | busfahrer | angasule: rtfm |
| 22:01.26 | snowbird | hey stoned what if i use arts |
| 22:01.27 | peppet | angasule: pheraps your boot sector is write protected in bios |
| 22:01.30 | rr700ix | !w32codecs |
| 22:01.30 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 22:01.36 | angasule | peppet: nope |
| 22:01.36 | snowbird | whast way to config arts in shell |
| 22:01.43 | toop22 | yes poland and you ? |
| 22:01.43 | angasule | busfahrer: thanks :) |
| 22:01.50 | stoned | snowbird: i don't know |
| 22:01.50 | busfahrer | :-P |
| 22:02.00 | rr700ix | !debian-multimedia |
| 22:02.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 22:02.21 | rr700ix | dang |
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| 22:02.29 | streuner | rr700ix: please use /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 22:02.38 | snowbird | yeah me either dead one |
| 22:02.50 | ObsidianX | is there a file anywhere that lists md5sums in /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
| 22:03.01 | stoned | snowbird: probably not dead, probably don't have something configured right |
| 22:03.05 | ObsidianX | or anything that alerts dpkg that the contents have changed |
| 22:03.10 | snowbird | like what stoned |
| 22:03.15 | dacs | petemc egrep "(foo|bar)" .. it works but it is listing values above the foo |
| 22:03.17 | stoned | snowbird: did it ever give sound? or it started to fail intermittnetly? |
| 22:03.38 | snowbird | fail imiditly |
| 22:03.44 | peppet | dacs ...\ |
| 22:03.46 | snowbird | it had sound then all sudun dead |
| 22:03.47 | peppet | ops |
| 22:03.59 | stoned | it could be the card yeah |
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| 22:04.19 | snowbird | me thinks so |
| 22:04.26 | jelly-home | or the cables. or the amp. |
| 22:04.27 | peppet | dacs: you must escape the pipe symbol: \| |
| 22:04.44 | stoned | _\|/_ |
| 22:04.48 | dacs | ohhhh |
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| 22:05.48 | dacs | peppet that didn't work either |
| 22:06.03 | snowbird | after card let me grab one |
| 22:06.25 | zophy | what's the regex to match everything except a string with a "." in it ? |
| 22:06.26 | peppet | dacs: escape bracket too: \( \) |
| 22:06.48 | stoned | escape from la too |
| 22:06.50 | Xoris | zophy: [^.]* i suppose |
| 22:06.50 | stoned | good movie |
| 22:07.10 | zophy | ah, mebbe i need that * |
| 22:07.31 | stoned | 'maybe' too hard for you to type out? |
| 22:07.35 | Xoris | zophy: well yeah, you need to match "anything that's not a period" zero *or any number* of times |
| 22:07.39 | zophy | stoned, which movie ? |
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| 22:07.52 | stoned | escape from LA |
| 22:08.13 | angasule | I can't believe netinstall fails this badly :( |
| 22:08.23 | Xoris | stoned: well, the number of characters is the same, and typing the same letter twice in a row actually takes more effort for a touch typist |
| 22:09.10 | dacs | peppet didn't work |
| 22:09.20 | stoned | Xoris: not you |
| 22:09.38 | stoned | Xoris: I was talking about zophy. He typed 'mebbe' instead of 'maybe' |
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| 22:09.49 | stoned | I figure it was obvious who I was addressing |
| 22:09.58 | Xoris | stoned: i know. was just saying that "mebbe" is unlikely to be easier to type than "maybe", and possibly harder |
| 22:10.11 | stoned | who cares |
| 22:10.40 | stoned | lets all become fat and lazy and don't bother with speaking properly |
| 22:10.55 | zophy | k |
| 22:10.56 | stoned | then after 500 years, the world will be like it was in the movie 'Idiocracy' |
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| 22:10.58 | Xoris | stoned: "lets"? and doesn't it take a capital? :) |
| 22:11.39 | peppet | dacs: for me grep '"\(root\|nobody\)" /etc/passwd' does work |
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| 22:12.53 | stoned | just like kk |
| 22:12.59 | stoned | wtf is kk |
| 22:13.20 | stoned | people can't be bothered to type ok |
| 22:13.20 | stoned | ? |
| 22:13.33 | jelly-home | rgt |
| 22:13.45 | stoned | jelly-home: exactly |
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| 22:13.52 | stoned | might as well just type random characters |
| 22:13.57 | jelly-home | kk |
| 22:14.01 | Xoris | stoned: idk, u r rite i spose |
| 22:14.02 | stoned | :) |
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| 22:14.07 | stoned | Xoris: see what I mean |
| 22:14.33 | jelly-home | trying to parse the message is a good mental exercise! |
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| 22:14.56 | stoned | I just say, don't thank me if you can't bothered to type the actual word thanks... wtf is tnx? |
| 22:15.04 | stoned | jelly-home: word |
| 22:15.09 | jelly-home | it's better than 10x |
| 22:15.13 | stoned | oh god |
| 22:15.18 | stoned | that is horrible |
| 22:15.20 | stoned | 10x |
| 22:15.26 | Xoris | it's better than THANK U I LOVEZ U!!!!!! |
| 22:15.45 | jelly-home | Xoris: no, I like that last one! |
| 22:15.57 | stoned | whats the deal with people using the letter 'z' abundantly in thier conversation |
| 22:15.58 | stoned | lolz |
| 22:16.05 | jelly-home | needs extra ! and ones |
| 22:16.13 | jelly-home | fo shizzle |
| 22:16.21 | stoned | not that |
| 22:16.30 | stoned | I mean like lolzlolzlolzlolz |
| 22:16.39 | stoned | zomg |
| 22:16.41 | jelly-home | dunno lolol |
| 22:16.48 | simonrvn | show themselves to be the AOL lusers they are? |
| 22:16.50 | jelly-home | ur funny |
| 22:16.58 | stoned | lusers haha |
| 22:17.06 | stoned | sup simon my man |
| 22:17.12 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 22:17.12 | abchirk | ah right here is Mr. stoned :P |
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| 22:17.27 | stoned | abchirk: omg! you can talk! |
| 22:17.28 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:17.36 | stoned | its a miracle, look abchirk is talking |
| 22:17.41 | abchirk | hehe sorry was in the other room. :D |
| 22:17.47 | stoned | he never talks only idles.. |
| 22:18.04 | abchirk | mhh, sometimes I talk here...you wasn't here last time... |
| 22:18.06 | stoned | simonrvn: dude check it.. I did something today I dunno if I should have done or not |
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| 22:18.53 | simonrvn | um, check what? |
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| 22:19.13 | stoned | oh yeh |
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| 22:20.55 | simonrvn | check what? |
| 22:20.57 | stoned | so I had this onsite thing today, guy said he was unable to delete his emails in outlook. so I memtested, sector scanned the hdd, cpu burn testing.. removed junk and garbage files, spyware adware stuff removal, and cleaned his system good, and tweaked it for speed, runs better now too, and after 3 hours i fixed his outlook problem in 5 minutes |
| 22:21.05 | stoned | I charged him 200$ |
| 22:21.07 | simonrvn | oh ok nm |
| 22:21.09 | stoned | :/ |
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| 22:22.02 | simonrvn | 200 for 3? hm 66$/hr |
| 22:22.14 | stoned | he was very happy with the worku |
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| 22:22.21 | stoned | yeh I told him 75$ an hour originally |
| 22:22.30 | stoned | it came to 225, i said call it 200 even |
| 22:22.35 | stoned | he washappy about that too |
| 22:22.36 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 22:23.03 | simonrvn | that's ok i guess, even if you were doing this stuff on a windows box ;p |
| 22:23.16 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:23.22 | stoned | gotta put food on the table man |
| 22:23.24 | stoned | you know |
| 22:23.28 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 22:23.55 | stoned | not only that, I taught him how to use the spyware tools and such, and how to keep his system clean and what not to do in the internet |
| 22:23.57 | simonrvn | brb, need water |
| 22:24.00 | stoned | word |
| 22:24.01 | simonrvn | nice |
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| 22:25.27 | simonrvn | re |
| 22:25.52 | stoned | you know how I got the job |
| 22:25.59 | stoned | my boss gave it to me |
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| 22:26.03 | stoned | my boss is a jew |
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| 22:26.09 | stoned | he can't accept money from work on saturdays |
| 22:26.14 | war | upgraded my system now nfs is broken mountd[6828]: Cannot export /, possibly unsupported filesystem or fsid= required - what is the bst way to fix? |
| 22:26.21 | stoned | so he said, here man, go work on his computerand keep all the money |
| 22:26.23 | stoned | io was like wow |
| 22:26.25 | stoned | thats awesoe |
| 22:26.30 | simonrvn | ah observant, that's cool |
| 22:26.39 | streuner | stoned: you can't work in US on saturdays? |
| 22:26.46 | stoned | you can |
| 22:26.54 | simonrvn | nice |
| 22:26.55 | streuner | hm |
| 22:26.58 | stoned | but he is jewish, and as such, he doesn't work on saturdays |
| 22:27.04 | stoned | its the Sholmer Shabbas |
| 22:27.10 | stoned | sabath or something |
| 22:27.23 | simonrvn | sabbath in english |
| 22:27.28 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:27.43 | stoned | thanks |
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| 22:27.54 | simonrvn | np |
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| 22:30.07 | stoned | unstable?testing? |
| 22:30.14 | stoned | bad memory? |
| 22:30.31 | shut- | Merory As In Ram If I Remeber Right? |
| 22:30.48 | shut- | Debian 4.0 r0 i3 |
| 22:30.56 | shut- | thats the one i have on my PC |
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| 22:32.47 | shut- | My Processor Is Intel Celeron D with 256mb or Ram |
| 22:32.58 | shut- | so why is it Frezzing On Me |
| 22:33.25 | zinx | generally freezes are due to bad drivers or broken hardware |
| 22:33.53 | Xoris | is there a working (V34 preferred, but any speed is ok) PSTN software modem that can interface to a soundcard and/or a VoIP program? i think there are some "winmodem" drivers in Debian, not sure any can be used that way |
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| 22:36.18 | zinx | Xoris: most winmodem drivers don't support voice for whatever reason |
| 22:36.38 | zinx | but uh, i'm not sure if that's what you want |
| 22:37.07 | DustyBin | ive messed my server up completely |
| 22:37.24 | Xoris | zinx, hm, no, i don't think i mean that. for a winmodem, "driver" may mean two things: the thing that can talk to the modem's hardware, and the things that takes care of modulating and demodulating signal. i want the latter |
| 22:37.40 | Xoris | if you prefer, i want software that is able to make my soundcard output beeps like a modem does ;) |
| 22:37.45 | DustyBin | if i delete everything on my server and rsync over my backup, would kind of things do i need to look at to get it working? |
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| 22:38.00 | zinx | Xoris: i don't know of any software like that :/ |
| 22:38.28 | pipeline | Xoris: the smartlink daemon will do that for you. |
| 22:38.30 | Xoris | zinx: i know of Tony Fisher's modem (V23 only i think), but the Linux ports that used to exist have apparently disappeared from the web |
| 22:38.39 | pipeline | Xoris: many softmodems (e.g. i830m) implement soundcard-style interfaces |
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| 22:39.25 | Xoris | pipeline: uhm, i've come across that one before i think... and yet couldn't quite make heads or tails of it |
| 22:39.49 | Xoris | pipeline: and smartlink daemon is the thing that interfaces to those soundcard-style interface, and actually mods/demods your bytes? |
| 22:39.55 | snowbird | got card il try be boot and back |
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| 22:40.19 | pipeline | Xoris: Yup. |
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| 22:41.49 | xingu | Xoris: the other one is the (nonfree) linuxant stack http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads.php |
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| 22:42.56 | streuner | gravity: hi |
| 22:43.00 | gravity | Hi streuner |
| 22:43.10 | Xoris | pipeline: interesting... it's weird, though, that linmodems.org makes no mention of it! |
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| 22:43.20 | streuner | gravity: pretty dead today |
| 22:44.03 | Xoris | xingu: i'd rather avoid nonfree, but thanks for the pointer |
| 22:44.45 | xingu | Xoris: there's two stacks - the 14k4 one is zero cost (free?), the 56k one is proprietry I believe due to IP licensing reasons for the codec. |
| 22:45.07 | xingu | Xoris: it's almost impossible I think to implement v.90 without licensing IP |
| 22:45.31 | Xoris | xingu: i'd rather avoid closed source, too. eventually, i'd like it to work with VoIP software instead of even a soundcard, so access to the source is probably helpful |
| 22:45.40 | xingu | Xoris: having said that I've been out of touch of that world for 7y+ so take with large sacksful of salt. |
| 22:46.08 | xingu | Xoris: just out of interest, why on god's green earth are you bothering with narrowband? |
| 22:46.11 | Xoris | xingu: that's a shame, but i'm not particularly interested in V90 anyway, since it requires a digital line on the ISP side i believe |
| 22:46.50 | xingu | Xoris: that it does; the down-channel is straight 8bit pcm |
| 22:47.25 | Xoris | xingu, mostly because this sort of thing has always interested me as a curiosity, really. but for example, right now i am on dialup, on a VoIP line (you can imagine it cannot work too well). i was thinking that avoiding the digital->analog->digital->analog conversion, and just making it digital->analog->digital, might help |
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| 22:48.20 | Xoris | xingu: running V34 on, say, a SIP connection could have some interesting uses that i can think of - and using a hardware modem to do that is less than ideal |
| 22:48.54 | snowbird | stoned new card |
| 22:49.41 | xingu | Xoris: good luck, but I doubt it; if you have control over the near and far ends of the pipe the best strategy will be to just frame packet data inside voip headers. |
| 22:50.04 | Xoris | xingu: of course, but i'm thinking of instance where i only have VoIP on *one* end |
| 22:50.39 | Xoris | xingu: after all, the fact that i'm currently on dialup on VoIP (high quality VoIP, admittedly) shows that a PSTN modem connection is possible. i can't say it's working fast or reliably, but it's working |
| 22:50.52 | xingu | Xoris: in that case the far end will still involve decoding the voip frames and punting them into an analog modem... |
| 22:50.59 | Xoris | a *good* software modem that avoids going through a VoIP->PSTN interface can only do better |
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| 22:51.30 | Xoris | xingu: no. well yes, but i'm thinking of VoIP networks that themselves provide PSTN gateways |
| 22:51.49 | xingu | Xoris: I'm somewhat familiar with the concept ;) |
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| 22:52.43 | xingu | Xoris: curiously enough the gateway you're describing is just different dsp code on *exactly the same hardware* as a v.90 access server - just flying in reverse (receiving packet voice and outputting analog) |
| 22:52.48 | snowbird | i need help |
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| 22:54.07 | Xoris | xingu: i didn't know that. not very surprising though after all, i suppose, since they're dealing with the exact same lines and about the same bandwidth needs |
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| 22:54.34 | snowbird | stoned is he around |
| 22:54.45 | xingu | Xoris: addressing the near end; you have packet data -> serial buffer -> v.34 trellis encoding -> quantitisation -> voip packetisation; replacing that with packet data -> v.34 trellis encoding -> voip packetisation will save you some non-negligable serialisation delay and improve reliability so it's probably worth persuing. |
| 22:55.23 | snowbird | for sound card do i load drivers too? |
| 22:55.23 | ixion | after a fresh install of debian... (selecting web server during install) is it normal to have an empty httpd.conf ?? |
| 22:55.25 | xingu | Xoris: however the far end will still be voip packet data -> gateway -> pstn -> v.34 trellis decoding |
| 22:55.31 | pipeline | Xoris: smartlink is just one type of softmodem... the smartlink-based modems may do SOEM things in hardware |
| 22:55.59 | xingu | Xoris: if you don't have control over the far end, you don't have control over it and nothing you do at the near end will change the reliability/delay characteristics |
| 22:56.06 | simonrvn | snowbird: yes |
| 22:56.12 | pipeline | Xoris: And you can't really do a modem over VOIP. We typically allocate 8 kbps of actual bandwidth. After modem overhead, you're reaching... err.. basically no data transfer at all. |
| 22:56.14 | Xoris | xingu: yes, but there is nothing i can do about the far end... but at least i know it isn't just going to *fail*. i know it works not-very-reliably. that's something ;) |
| 22:56.31 | pipeline | Xoris: at best, 100 baud with no crazy protocol or compression overhead. :) |
| 22:56.32 | snowbird | ok simonrvn il get u the card chip set hold on |
| 22:56.43 | simonrvn | snowbird: install alsaconf |
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| 22:56.56 | snowbird | i reinstalls alsa conf |
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| 22:57.04 | simonrvn | so run it |
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| 22:57.12 | snowbird | running |
| 22:57.14 | Xoris | pipeline, i *am* running 33.6K V34, albeit quite unreliable, on a VoIP line with a PSTN gateway. |
| 22:57.20 | simonrvn | install alsamixer too to put the volume up |
| 22:57.23 | snowbird | il give u link of what it says |
| 22:57.34 | Xoris | pipeline: it's just that, currently, i'm using to hardware modems for that |
| 22:58.00 | Xoris | xingu: i see your point but optimizing the near end should still improve the overall quality even with no control on the far end, shouldn't it? |
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| 22:58.29 | Turquoiser | ixion: i think httpd.conf is deprecated and apache configuration is in apache2.conf |
| 22:58.55 | xingu | Xoris: yes; removing the extra quantitisation pass will improve end to end latency and reliabilty |
| 22:58.56 | simonrvn | httpd.conf could be used - included - as local conf stuff |
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| 22:59.02 | snowbird | alsa says unsuported card |
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| 23:00.03 | xingu | Xoris: however, and this is where I'm gently drifting to; what you're describing only has an /economic/ basis, there's no /technical/ merit in it; basically, your voip provider is charging too little or their data provider is charging too much. |
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| 23:00.09 | snowbird | nned smd for list sound card |
| 23:00.17 | simonrvn | put in a paste site what 'lspci | grep -i audio' says |
| 23:01.01 | xingu | Xoris: ... and the extention of this is that if you're (wildly) successful, your voip provider will react - if you're not using their terminal (using your own softmodem on their data transport) they will chop your access when they notice. |
| 23:01.20 | DustyBin | jeeze this is a worrying moment, im rsyncing my messed up server with a backup mirror i done earlier today, how accurate is rsync? |
| 23:01.36 | Xoris | xingu, heh, maybe. look, the current practical situation is simply be: i'm not at home (where i have broadband), i only have dialup here. and i pay for calls by the minute. so i make *home* call *me* instead (since at home i have free calls), but home only has a VoIP line |
| 23:01.52 | simonrvn | DustyBin: does whatever you tell it to |
| 23:02.05 | Xoris | xingu: i doubt that should be an issue |
| 23:02.22 | DustyBin | simonrvn: have you ever done what im doing :-S |
| 23:02.25 | snowbird | yeah |
| 23:02.53 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:03.04 | snowbird | being slow and carefull |
| 23:03.05 | zirikili | my nvidia-glx does not work any more. is there any new nvidia way or something ? |
| 23:03.27 | xingu | Xoris: I bet it will be; that's where pipeline's going - voip providers are /very/ interested in how wide and long the sessions are and have mechanisms to deal with them going off-shape. |
| 23:03.30 | DustyBin | i just messed up my box with nvidia, be careful.. |
| 23:03.56 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/Kkma2t68.html |
| 23:04.02 | DustyBin | ok its finished, time to reboot :-S |
| 23:04.03 | snowbird | simonrvn: |
| 23:05.08 | zirikili | DustyBin: how did u fix it? |
| 23:05.16 | Xoris | xingu, in this case, the VoIP provider *is* the ISP, and that's why I have a PSTN<->VoIP gateway available at home to begin with: they're marketing their VoIP as a plain standard phone line. if they start questioning the way i use it, i'll just cut the contract, as they are expensive enough to not have a say on how i use my phoneline :) |
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| 23:05.28 | simonrvn | snowbird: run this as root update-pciids |
| 23:05.41 | simonrvn | snowbird: then re-paste |
| 23:05.54 | xingu | xored: http://www.acmepacket.com/html/page.asp?PageID={4D8FDFB1-67AF-4F94-A5AA-DC02DE3951B5} <-- check out this bad boy when you've got a quiet moment. |
| 23:06.00 | xingu | s/xored/Xoris/ |
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| 23:06.43 | DustyBin | dam the rsync didnt work |
| 23:07.28 | DustyBin | oh dear |
| 23:07.35 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/x9OOX115.html |
| 23:07.40 | DustyBin | oh dear... |
| 23:07.47 | snowbird | simonrvn: yikes wild fire sound chip |
| 23:07.51 | xingu | Xoris: *nod* so anyway; yes, a softmodem for voip is an intriguing application; I've done roughly synonymous things by marking data frames as pcm audio and punting them into isdn networks to be routed as voice calls |
| 23:07.54 | snowbird | maybe i better bye better card |
| 23:08.07 | snowbird | if hard give up il get better card |
| 23:08.47 | xingu | Xoris: but as I said it's only worth persuing as an arbitrage between the cost of voice calls and the cost of data over the same media |
| 23:09.07 | Xoris | xingu: i will. anyway really - if this was only to save some cash on phonecalls, i wouldn't bother. the thing is, before i even had a modem, when i was 14 or so, i remember i tried to write a software modem (a non-standard one, of course... more like two-tones frequency modulation ;). it's just a fancy of mine |
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| 23:09.29 | snowbird | ahh |
| 23:09.43 | simonrvn | snowbird: alsa-project.org might have more info |
| 23:10.13 | snowbird | lloks like a bitch if it is il get better card |
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| 23:10.52 | snowbird | cmidi chipset |
| 23:10.59 | xingu | Xoris: trellis encoding is a little bit more than tone-to-symbol conversion; start with the linuxant stack - you may well find that (a) you avoid some noodle baking maths and that (b) the tables they have for v.34 save you a lot of time and energy. |
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| 23:11.15 | DustyBin | is there a way to get rsync to delete files on the destination as it syncs? |
| 23:11.29 | DustyBin | ie delete the files what are no on the source |
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| 23:12.07 | ricky | --delete, I thought. |
| 23:12.14 | snowbird | simonrvn: can i msg yah |
| 23:12.20 | ricky | Yup. |
| 23:12.42 | DustyBin | ive really buggered things up, it took me about 3 months to build that box |
| 23:12.44 | DustyBin | :-( |
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| 23:13.17 | DustyBin | ive rebooted into single user mode |
| 23:14.07 | snowbird | whast sinngle use mode do? |
| 23:14.26 | DustyBin | it boots without loading daemons i think |
| 23:15.31 | DustyBin | do you guys think i should wipe the / partition clean, and restore my rsync to it? or should i just get rsync to compare whats different and delete / or copy stuff over? |
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| 23:18.09 | jelly-home | DustyBin: with a reformat+restore you get free defragmentation! |
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| 23:19.00 | snowbird | like booot in root? |
| 23:19.09 | snowbird | or like safe mode on windows? |
| 23:19.23 | DustyBin | first im going to drive the --delete option, this means if the files on the source doesnt exist it is also deleted on the destination |
| 23:19.26 | DustyBin | *try |
| 23:19.43 | snowbird | got sound card haveing hmm with it |
| 23:20.28 | DustyBin | here we go again.. :-S |
| 23:21.08 | DustyBin | im releasing a new book soon if anyones interested: |
| 23:21.21 | DustyBin | "How To Bugger Up Your Server" by J.R. DustyBin |
| 23:21.40 | Hoxzer | Niimpäh |
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| 23:22.47 | DustyBin | i dont trust rsync, imagine it misses a little file out |
| 23:23.11 | giz_bmz | hello |
| 23:23.15 | jelly-home | DustyBin: that's a weird way to think about it. |
| 23:23.29 | giz_bmz | what is the best html editor in debian ? |
| 23:23.40 | DustyBin | ive just rsynced it back and the nvidia problem is still there.. strange |
| 23:23.48 | Turquoiser | giz_bmz: vim |
| 23:23.49 | jelly-home | DustyBin: rsync has been around a long time, it works. |
| 23:23.54 | streuner | !best |
| 23:23.54 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 23:24.22 | jelly-home | Women without Hats? |
| 23:24.32 | giz_bmz | Turquoiser : but vim is not agraphical one |
| 23:24.37 | Turquoiser | yes it is |
| 23:24.41 | ricky | gvim. |
| 23:24.48 | giz_bmz | Turquoiser : i'm searchin for a graphical design and html generator |
| 23:24.51 | ricky | (And another vote for vim, by the way) |
| 23:25.04 | ricky | That's... a bad way to make websites. |
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| 23:25.14 | giz_bmz | sure ?? |
| 23:25.25 | ricky | I don't know of any WYSIWYG editors that produce good HTML. |
| 23:25.32 | jelly-home | something like dreamweaver? |
| 23:25.40 | gravity | Hrm, no one packaged nvu yet, which is the only graphical html thingy I know of |
| 23:25.42 | giz_bmz | i have to build a dynamic web server |
| 23:25.48 | ricky | (Which produces bad code :P) |
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| 23:26.08 | giz_bmz | what is the best tool do you recommand me to use ? |
| 23:26.14 | xingu | a 2x4 |
| 23:26.30 | giz_bmz | xingu : ?? |
| 23:26.39 | xingu | percussive maintenance. |
| 23:26.39 | streuner | ricky: composer |
| 23:26.53 | giz_bmz | xingu : what do you mean by that ? |
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| 23:27.29 | giz_bmz | i'm using mysql for database |
| 23:27.36 | giz_bmz | apache 2 for file server |
| 23:27.45 | giz_bmz | and php 5 for the language |
| 23:28.07 | ricky | streuner: Really? I somehow doubt that you can do more complex layouts nicely without hand-writing some HTML/CSS. |
| 23:28.18 | lordrich | there's certainly no wysiwyg editor which'll produce good code for that |
| 23:28.18 | giz_bmz | i just want to know wich tool the best to build the interfaces ?? |
| 23:28.37 | ricky | A good text editor (and #css/#html would probably agree). |
| 23:28.39 | Bogus8 | I'm having problems switching from a console F1 back to F7 ... it just stays black with a blinking underscore _ |
| 23:28.46 | lordrich | nvu if you must, but really any plain text editor is what you need |
| 23:28.49 | snowbird | hold iam trying someting |
| 23:29.03 | gravity | giz_bmz: quanta is pretty reasonable iirc |
| 23:29.21 | giz_bmz | iirc ?? |
| 23:29.27 | xingu | how's amaya these days? |
| 23:29.29 | gravity | giz_bmz: There's also bluefish, which isn't graphical, but more like homesite than dreamweaver |
| 23:29.34 | gravity | giz_bmz: If I Recall Correctly |
| 23:29.47 | giz_bmz | gravity : thanks |
| 23:29.54 | gravity | And vim and emacs of course, if you want something along those lines |
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| 23:30.15 | gravity | giz_bmz: If you're using php, I have no idea if quanta generates php. |
| 23:30.24 | gravity | I avoid php like the plague, so I know little about it |
| 23:30.52 | giz_bmz | so what do you suggest me to use ? |
| 23:31.18 | gravity | giz_bmz: I really don't know. It depends on your experience level and what you're comfy with. |
| 23:32.01 | xingu | and whether you need dancing hampsters or whether still pictures will do |
| 23:32.12 | ricky | ^Only for people that are willing to learn, of course. |
| 23:32.14 | gravity | ricky: That's how I'd go too, but if he doesn't know a good text editor he's kinda screwed there |
| 23:32.25 | gravity | I suppose bluefish would be a good choice. |
| 23:32.32 | ricky | Use gedit/bluefish, for all it matters |
| 23:32.38 | giz_bmz | bluefish ? |
| 23:32.47 | giz_bmz | what about php in bluefish ? |
| 23:32.47 | streuner | !info bluefish |
| 23:32.49 | xingu | amaya should produce valid xhtml at least. |
| 23:32.50 | dpkg | bluefish: (advanced Gtk+ HTML editor), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1583 kB, Installed size: 6756 kB |
| 23:32.52 | gravity | giz_bmz: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ |
| 23:33.02 | gravity | giz_bmz: That's probably your best choice |
| 23:33.11 | giz_bmz | ok |
| 23:33.17 | giz_bmz | but |
| 23:33.26 | giz_bmz | i'll test quanta too ;-) |
| 23:33.29 | Bogus8 | I'm having problems switching from a console F1 back to F7 ... it just stays black with a blinking underscore _ |
| 23:33.33 | giz_bmz | what is the difference ? |
| 23:34.05 | giz_bmz | bluefish VS quanta ? |
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| 23:34.38 | streuner | very basic, one use qt, the other GTK :-) |
| 23:34.41 | ricky | As a side note, #html and #css might have more advice/screaming about text editors :) |
| 23:34.52 | ricky | And perhaps #web as well. |
| 23:35.41 | gravity | Bogus8: Try F8 |
| 23:36.01 | Bogus8 | gravity: what is that all about?! (it obviously worked) |
| 23:36.04 | giz_bmz | i'm using gnome |
| 23:36.18 | giz_bmz | so bluefish is the best ? isn't it ? |
| 23:36.18 | gravity | Bogus8: I honestly don't know yet. gdm does that to me sometimes, usually when I have to kill the X server |
| 23:36.34 | gravity | giz_bmz: It really doesn't matter |
| 23:36.44 | gravity | giz_bmz: You can run kde apps in gnome and vice versa. Use the app that's right for the job |
| 23:36.46 | giz_bmz | gravity : ah ic |
| 23:36.48 | Bogus8 | gravity: crazy... but noted... now I shouldn't have that problem again... I've restarted in the past, quite frustratingly |
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| 23:42.42 | mike | I am still working in "intel sound" or lack of it on a new Toshiba A200,Any help awsome |
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| 23:43.40 | multi_io | does anyone else have the problem that Google Earth fails to connect to its server? |
| 23:44.56 | Bogus8 | hmm, what am I doing wrong in mounting my ntfs drive as rw? I'm using `mount -o uid=1000 /dev/sda1 /mnt/ntfs` but it's chmod is r not rw |
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| 23:46.01 | jelly-home | Bogus8: only ntfs-3g does rw, and you're not using it? |
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| 23:46.24 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: ah, ok... I assumed it was intergrated with etchy by now |
| 23:46.52 | ixion | is there a debian command to remove everything to do with nagios |
| 23:47.04 | ixion | nagios-everything |
| 23:47.10 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: if I apt-get it will it just "take over" duty of mounting ntfs or do I need to use some new commands or configure something? |
| 23:47.11 | ixion | plugins, common, etc etc |
| 23:47.28 | jelly-home | Bogus8: new commands |
| 23:47.40 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: damn... ok, I'll get to work |
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| 23:48.32 | jelly-home | Bogus8: if there's a backport, use it. ntfs-3g has fixes every now and then, and it not completely stable |
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| 23:48.59 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: backport? |
| 23:49.09 | jelly-home | Bogus8: http://backports.org |
| 23:49.19 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: k, thanks |
| 23:49.35 | jelly-home | Bogus8: packaged new versions of some software for debian stable |
| 23:49.38 | ixion | how do I list installed packages please? |
| 23:49.43 | ixion | which match the name "nagios" |
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| 23:49.53 | zirikili | is there any new nvidia way or something ? my card is a geforce 4mx 440 |
| 23:50.03 | jelly-home | ixion: dpkg -l '*nagios*' | grep ^.i |
| 23:50.15 | ixion | ta |
| 23:50.41 | jelly-home | stoned: there's another shorthand for thanks for you! "ta" |
| 23:51.12 | snowbird | arts casue me troubles iam back on old crd for now i also added firware thing in symantic |
| 23:51.31 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: should I just go ahead and add backports to my apt sources or is there a downside to it? |
| 23:51.43 | sophacles | hi all. got a fuse problem. specifically sshfs laptop:~ ./laptop causes the mountpoint to confuse the fs. cd laptop; ls gives me "ls . : No such file or directory" any ideas on how to fix this |
| 23:52.09 | jelly-home | Bogus8: nothing will install automatically from there, so it's quite safe |
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| 23:52.39 | jelly-home | sophacles: are you doing the ls as that same user? |
| 23:52.41 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: DOh, it said it right there... I just skimmed over it too fast.. my bad |
| 23:52.48 | sophacles | jelly, jup |
| 23:52.55 | sophacles | yup too |
| 23:53.15 | SerajewelKS | i just installed the 2.6.22 kernel and it fails to boot, dumping me to a shell after failing to mount my root fs. trying to mount anything, ide or sata, gives me Invalid argument. what gives? |
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| 23:53.20 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.18 boots fine |
| 23:53.24 | jelly-home | sophacles: umount it, sounds like it doesn't really work |
| 23:53.59 | jelly-home | sophacles: this can happen if the underlying ssh connection fails or stalls |
| 23:54.17 | jelly-home | sophacles: also, you don't need the ~ |
| 23:55.16 | sophacles | jelly, ok. |
| 23:55.30 | Bogus8 | also, why am I getting md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 23:55.30 | Bogus8 | The Flash plugin is NOT installed. |
| 23:56.12 | sophacles | jelly-home, strangely... it was the ~ that cuased the problem |
| 23:56.18 | sophacles | thanks for the help |
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| 23:57.24 | multi_io | can anyone use google earth (Linux) without problems? |
| 23:57.28 | snowbird | alsa made pc crash i went into symantic got rid reebooted |
| 23:57.47 | jelly-home | Bogus8: because there's a newer .tar.gz on the Adobe's site and the stable flashplugin-nonfree package doesn't recognize it yet |
| 23:58.10 | DawnLight | multi_io i'll try |
| 23:58.27 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: hmm... I like using apt to keep everything up to date... what can be done? |
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| 23:59.01 | snowbird | dio you have alts sound server |
| 23:59.01 | DawnLight | Bogus8: coming right up... |
| 23:59.03 | jelly-home | Bogus8: wait for it to be updated, I guess |
| 23:59.52 | Bogus8 | multi_io: I know there was an article on it in one of the latest linux mags |
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