| 00:00.00 | valdyn | pingouin: /usr/share/fonts/ ? |
| 00:00.12 | stew | slack101: ls /etc/php{4,5}/*/php.ini |
| 00:00.16 | geo-rge | P_Kable: first, to make sure what you want to do: |
| 00:00.27 | bengrubb | slack 101: Make a phpinfo page and it will show where the php.ini file is or "find / | grep php.ini" |
| 00:00.42 | geo-rge | you want all files and dirs that are contained inside your home dir to be owned by you. |
| 00:00.50 | geo-rge | P_Kable: yes? |
| 00:00.50 | P_Kable | I want to be the owner of all my /home/davod again |
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| 00:00.59 | P_Kable | yes |
| 00:01.01 | geo-rge | ok, once more: |
| 00:01.04 | stew | P_Kable: chown -R david:david /home/david |
| 00:01.07 | geo-rge | ok, you would have to listen closely, because if you do this wrong you can fuck things up :) |
| 00:01.22 | geo-rge | ok, agreed? |
| 00:01.25 | P_Kable | chown: changing ownership of `/home/david/.rnd': Operation not permitted |
| 00:01.33 | P_Kable | geo-rge, sudo ? |
| 00:01.35 | stew | P_Kable: you have to run it as root |
| 00:01.44 | P_Kable | oki thx |
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| 00:02.02 | P_Kable | works great THX a lot |
| 00:02.30 | pingouin | valdyn: ah ok ! many thanks |
| 00:02.32 | geo-rge | you need to be -careful- with this command (especially with -R) |
| 00:03.01 | pingouin | i got warning in my xorg log (WW) FontPath is completely invalid |
| 00:03.02 | nn | does anyone have an idea why some characters are messed up since I installed libncurses5-dev? |
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| 00:03.14 | geo-rge | for example (and do -not- do this!!) if you were to put a space after the first / |
| 00:03.21 | geo-rge | you will hose your entire system. |
| 00:03.33 | valdyn | nn: that's certainly not the fault of libncurses5-dev |
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| 00:03.45 | geo-rge | All I |
| 00:03.59 | geo-rge | am saying, is you have to be careful |
| 00:04.26 | valdyn | pingouin: xorg gets its fonts without any entry in xorg.conf already |
| 00:04.34 | nn | valdyn: the install of libncurses-dev definetely triggered the problem in all ncurses applications |
| 00:05.06 | nn | it's like horicontal lines are now "q" and vertical lines are "x" |
| 00:05.13 | nn | what a nightmare |
| 00:05.20 | valdyn | nn: in etch? |
| 00:05.22 | nn | yes |
| 00:05.32 | valdyn | nn: that's unpossible |
| 00:05.41 | geo-rge | nn: pls pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:05.54 | valdyn | nn: 1) its etch, tested 2) package management avoids overwriting file by packages |
| 00:06.09 | nn | geo-rge: it's all the standard +debian multimedia |
| 00:06.17 | valdyn | nn: certainly not the first place to search for the issue |
| 00:06.50 | bengrubb | nn: paste them |
| 00:07.17 | bengrubb | You've most likely installed the testing over a stable or something |
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| 00:08.21 | geo-rge | nn: still interested in seeing it specifically |
| 00:08.40 | pingouin | valdyn: oh ?! |
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| 00:09.09 | nn_ | http://pastebin.com/942863 |
| 00:09.16 | geo-rge | hi, cool |
| 00:09.52 | geo-rge | ok, looks cool... you've chosen to -stick- with etch up to this point |
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| 00:10.39 | nn_ | yes I am etchi, you know |
| 00:10.48 | geo-rge | I want him to try to dist-upgrade to see what it would upgrade, but make sure it doesn't do anything |
| 00:11.02 | geo-rge | aptitude -n dist-upgrade? |
| 00:11.05 | somian | Hullo. I want to add some env var defines that will be present in my X login session (even for GUI apps) and so i guess i need to use a custom .xsession file. How can I write one making sure that what Debian does now (with no ~/.xsession) is preserved? |
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| 00:12.03 | valdyn | somian: its preserved |
| 00:12.04 | pingouin | valdyn: you mean it useless to make the FontPath options points to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ and so on ? |
| 00:12.17 | pingouin | in xorg.conf i mean |
| 00:12.20 | valdyn | somian: removing ~/.xsession will start debians x session again |
| 00:12.35 | nn_ | do you have an idea what's causing this kind of erroneous character mapping with ncurses? |
| 00:12.36 | valdyn | pingouin: yes, unless you want to add something nonstandard |
| 00:12.57 | valdyn | nn: its a font not supporting those special characters |
| 00:13.11 | somian | Hi valdyn. Initializations are additive? Some kind of global Xsession is always sourced anyway? |
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| 00:13.41 | valdyn | somian: no, its either or, ~/.xsession takes precedence if it exists |
| 00:13.44 | somian | When I say "preserved" I mean I want things to work just like they do now. |
| 00:14.02 | nn_ | valdyn: you are absolutely right, sry :) |
| 00:14.06 | valdyn | somian: so add that to ~/.xsession |
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| 00:14.26 | somian | ... so I am looking for a shortcut to "dumping" (maybe) settings as they are now, or sourcing a global file inside my .xsession |
| 00:14.40 | valdyn | somian: tell what you need.. |
| 00:15.32 | somian | I don't know what all the gnome X session is doing, that's the point. It just works nicely and I want it to stay that way. |
| 00:15.44 | valdyn | somian: it doesnt do much at all |
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| 00:16.11 | valdyn | somian: last line in your ~/.xsession has to be : "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session" |
| 00:16.17 | somian | right |
| 00:16.50 | valdyn | somian: ( actually it does quite alot, but the trigger is this short ) |
| 00:17.58 | valdyn | somian: which env var are you talking about btw? |
| 00:18.14 | valdyn | somian: *some* env vars wont work that simple |
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| 00:18.27 | geo-rge | I think he wants to store the entire default setup into the var |
| 00:18.38 | geo-rge | (if that's possible) |
| 00:18.49 | riot | is the default linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7 able to boot from ext3 filesystems? i get a weird cannot find root panic :( |
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| 00:18.56 | somian | I'm going to set DISTCC_HOSTS in the global (X11) login environment. |
| 00:19.10 | somian | No, geo-rge |
| 00:19.12 | valdyn | somian: ok, that one is fine |
| 00:19.16 | valdyn | riot: sure |
| 00:20.23 | riot | oh, quite sure.. it can still mount that as ext2.. now where's that panic coming from.. ($/!"% |
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| 00:20.46 | somian | It looks like /etc/X11/Xsession is probably the global script that's used as the login is being done |
| 00:21.02 | geo-rge | riot: is the root filesystem specified correctly in (1) your boot loader config and (2) your /etc/fstab? |
| 00:21.05 | riot | hmm. weird. i have an old 2.6.11 with the same grub-entry - that one boots :( |
| 00:21.49 | riot | oops, wrong symlinks, maybe thats it.. *tries* |
| 00:22.15 | geo-rge | could you tell us what symlinks those are? |
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| 00:24.59 | valdyn | riot: youre adjusting grub manually on each kernel install? |
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| 00:25.01 | romano2k | good evening! i don't understand the aim of the /etc/cron.daily/webalizer file, does somebody could explain me? |
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| 00:25.24 | valdyn | romano2k: doesnt the header tell the purpose? |
| 00:25.36 | somian | Hmm, there's a run-parts in this file, maybe I should be using that mechanism instead |
| 00:25.54 | drwahl | every time i restart, i have to re-install (run nVidias installer) my video card drivers, otherwise gdm fails with "module already loaded". is there a way to fix this? |
| 00:26.13 | valdyn | somian: that's certainly the hard way |
| 00:26.21 | romano2k | valdyn, "# This script just run webalizer agains all .conf files in /etc/webalizer directory", my english is not that bad but actually i don't understand this sentense |
| 00:26.22 | somian | Maybe ;) |
| 00:26.29 | riot | valdyn: nah, i just did that once, for xen, now it seems to have fscked up the auto-conf.. yet its not those symlinks (i meant /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.21-2-k7) |
| 00:26.41 | geo-rge | riot: valdyn has a valid question... what he's leading to, is there is a script for grub that automatically scoops up all your kernels and writes you a new grub config file |
| 00:26.45 | valdyn | somian: picking the right session is alot more complicated from debians side |
| 00:27.05 | valdyn | somian: you already *know* that you want gnome, that's why 'exec gnome-session' does just the same |
| 00:27.20 | riot | geo-rge: yea, i know. Yet fixing the menu.lst by hand doesn't yield anything :/ |
| 00:27.47 | geo-rge | riot: ok... would you like to try this script? (first step: copy your menu.lst into a backp file) |
| 00:28.01 | riot | have several of these :> |
| 00:28.05 | valdyn | romano2k: you installed webalizer, and you dont know what webalizer does? |
| 00:28.31 | geo-rge | ok, then try: update-grub (or is it update-grub) |
| 00:28.45 | riot | oi, my symlinks on / are not homogenous - initrd points to a wrong image, whereas vmlinuz is good |
| 00:28.49 | somian | I'm not sure its that hard, valdyn; what I'm contemplating is just adding a file to the location called SYSSESSIONDIR in that script |
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| 00:29.09 | romano2k | valdyn: i do know what webalizer does, it generates graphs for, eg, apache |
| 00:29.12 | riot | geo-rge: yes, yes, apt ran it, after installing the new kernel image |
| 00:29.21 | romano2k | valdyn: what i don't understand is the sentense i gave |
| 00:29.22 | valdyn | romano2k: appearantly daily |
| 00:29.33 | riot | ah, i'm wromg, the initrd.img-link is ok, too :/ |
| 00:29.34 | geo-rge | riot: ok :) how's it working now? |
| 00:29.44 | romano2k | valdyn: do i need to add a line in the root cron or is the file in /etc/cron.daily enough ? |
| 00:29.46 | eifzon | how do i get xcompmgr for debian etch |
| 00:30.02 | valdyn | romano2k: that script is run daily, and creates those graphs according to configuration in /etc/webalizer |
| 00:30.04 | geo-rge | the update-grub script doesn't use those links btw |
| 00:30.25 | valdyn | romano2k: you dont need to add anything, it runs daily, when its in /etc/cron.daily |
| 00:30.53 | valdyn | eifzon: xcompmgr is trash, there's compiz |
| 00:30.53 | romano2k | valdyn: ok, understood ! :) |
| 00:31.00 | valdyn | eifzon: its outdated junk now |
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| 00:31.25 | valdyn | eifzon: and it never was more than an experimental thing anyway |
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| 00:31.40 | eifzon | valdyn: i am using fluxbox.. |
| 00:31.48 | karsten | f-spot works pretty well, thanks. |
| 00:31.52 | k31th | any of you guys know of a decent asterisk distro for a solid state PBX im attempting to build? |
| 00:32.04 | eifzon | so valdyn . |
| 00:32.24 | somian | AHA! |
| 00:32.53 | valdyn | eifzon: its probably still in experimental - taht doesnt mean its good for anything though ;) |
| 00:33.25 | riot | aaah - lol... somehow, the initrd.img's were missing in the menu.lst :) |
| 00:33.26 | eifzon | valdyn: i like it |
| 00:33.32 | somian | valdyn: I think I stumbled on a ridiculously easy way to do this. As long as I always plan on using gnome. Just create a ~/.gnomerc file and do my exports in there! |
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| 00:33.48 | riot | whoa.. vesafb.. oh oh.... this is SURE to beat the crap out of the fscking nvidia-driver |
| 00:34.06 | geo-rge | well |
| 00:34.12 | geo-rge | slow but portable |
| 00:34.13 | freetos | is there a good email client i can use from a terminal like pine but better? |
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| 00:34.29 | stew | freetos: mutt |
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| 00:34.40 | freetos | stew, thanks |
| 00:34.44 | riot | geo-rge: yeah, and due to not-so-intelligent-driver developers at nvidia&ati - quite binary-driver-incompatible :/ |
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| 00:35.33 | riot | but quite a fun to use a linux-pty on vesafb :) almost like with ion and screen :> |
| 00:35.35 | geo-rge | that could be on purpose, due to the managers/moneymakers at ati/nvidia |
| 00:36.01 | geo-rge | riot: so... your system is booting now? :) |
| 00:36.54 | riot | geo-rge: uh oh. Thats quite conspirative :> ... yes, it boots. Now trying to get nvidia's crap up'n'runnin.. my old module had some serious problems (e.g. no texture-compression - and DARN slow) |
| 00:37.18 | unlink | how do i tell evolution to sync it's left pane, the one that contains the folder list? |
| 00:37.23 | geo-rge | riot: good :) I can stop thinking about that now :) |
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| 00:37.48 | riot | geo-rge: yes, well, you can. |
| 00:37.51 | riot | And thanks everyone :) |
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| 00:38.49 | geo-rge | I hate it when someone asks the question, gets an answer, then quits before success/failur reporting... the issue tends to stay in my mind pretty much all day... |
| 00:39.20 | riot | Yeah, i know what you mean, though i'm hangin around here all year ;) aah. wonderful, nvidia-installer fails. As usual.. |
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| 00:39.51 | geo-rge | that's probably a kernel module build issue, but not sure |
| 00:40.13 | valdyn | riot: nvidia does not compile against 2.6.21 |
| 00:40.21 | riot | valdyn: oh noes! |
| 00:40.41 | riot | .oO( hate.. _hate_...HATE em ... ) |
| 00:40.50 | valdyn | riot: there must be a patch around somewhere, its like a one-liner |
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| 00:41.15 | riot | valdyn: how old is your information? it just failed because of missing headers (dumb me ;) here, right now |
| 00:41.19 | somian | geo-rge: at least you don't have to complain about that with me :) ... i go on blabbing about my progress for hours afterwards ;) |
| 00:41.30 | valdyn | riot: new enough |
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| 00:41.52 | geo-rge | hah :P |
| 00:42.32 | valdyn | riot: actually, it might compile but crash for using a gpl_only symbol. i didnt try - but that's the issue |
| 00:42.53 | riot | say, does anyone know why with flash and javascript-popupmenus in mozilla, flash always manages to be on TOP of those nasty menus? |
| 00:43.05 | riot | valdyn: ah. ok.. i'll just stick to an older image then :( |
| 00:43.20 | riot | valdyn: 2.6.20 ought to work, yes? |
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| 00:43.34 | valdyn | riot: yes |
| 00:43.56 | geo-rge | riot: keep monitoring... it will be fixed presently |
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| 00:44.13 | geo-rge | coupla days, a week maybe |
| 00:44.33 | riot | oh, wonderful. No 2.6.20 in unstable.. i have SO much luck. |
| 00:45.39 | Deepa | riot: I got much luck |
| 00:45.43 | Deepa | I ran into a building today |
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| 00:46.38 | bengrubb | Deepa: A big one? |
| 00:46.49 | Deepa | It does not matter |
| 00:46.51 | Deepa | But it hurt alot |
| 00:46.58 | Deepa | My nose feels smaller |
| 00:47.12 | daniev | goodnight |
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| 00:47.25 | somian | .oO(polite fellow) |
| 00:48.41 | somian | Heh, there's f00li5h |
| 00:48.44 | riot | valdyn: yep, still in there, that wonderful bug. *sigh* |
| 00:48.50 | f00li5h | are userdirs not enabled by default on apache2? |
| 00:48.56 | f00li5h | somian: here i am! |
| 00:49.05 | OhMyGods | hello, I cann't find <sys/sockio.h>. how to install it? |
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| 00:49.19 | valdyn | !find sys/sockio.h |
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| 00:49.57 | riot | where can i get a 2.6.20-image-package suitable to install under unstable? |
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| 00:50.08 | smtlaissezfaire | Is there anyway to use CIFS with DHCP on a local network? |
| 00:50.19 | smtlaissezfaire | Will I have to setup a DNS server? |
| 00:50.25 | f00li5h | sweet! a2enmod userdir && apache2ctl restart |
| 00:50.29 | peterS | smtlaissezfaire: uh, what does CIFS have to do with DHCP? use neither, use one, use both |
| 00:50.36 | somian | Eh? You mean samba, smtlaissezfaire ? |
| 00:50.42 | smtlaissezfaire | yeah. |
| 00:50.59 | riot | oh, wow.. backports.org rulez! |
| 00:51.04 | smtlaissezfaire | I was using smbfs to backup a small network of windows computers |
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| 00:51.22 | smtlaissezfaire | The problem is that when those computers reboot, the local mount also needs to remount. |
| 00:51.29 | riot | geez. and vesafb rocks, if you want to use links2 -g :D |
| 00:51.47 | smtlaissezfaire | I was wondering: A) if this could either be done automatically or: B) If cifs would take care of this problem |
| 00:51.57 | riot | Ahh. Sneaky little things, i love Debian GNU/Linux for. |
| 00:52.03 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: cifs is better, i dont know if it does what you want though |
| 00:52.16 | smtlaissezfaire | Yeah, I don't know either. |
| 00:52.16 | jair | hello guys, I am having a server with debian etch 4.0 two local scsi disk each 80GB and a qlogic fiber hba with a SAN lun of 2TB |
| 00:52.30 | smtlaissezfaire | I figure it's a good transisition to make, though, simply because smbfs is no longer supported |
| 00:52.41 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: yep |
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| 00:52.50 | peterS | I guess I'm missing what this has to do with DHCP |
| 00:53.00 | smtlaissezfaire | Worse comes to worse, I unmount and remount my smbfs/cifs in the backup script. |
| 00:53.00 | peterS | I mean, cifs vs. smbfs is totally not about IP address allocation |
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| 00:53.06 | jair | the disks are configured this way=> sda1 =80GB sdb1 => 80GB |
| 00:53.23 | jair | disk (lun) sdc1 => 2TB |
| 00:53.43 | smtlaissezfaire | peterS: All the examples that I can find using cifs address a windows client in IP style instead of in Windows SMB style |
| 00:53.46 | riot | quite comfy, links2 -g in good vesa hires.. :) |
| 00:54.00 | peterS | smtlaissezfaire: by SMB style I assume you're talking about NetBIOS endpoint names |
| 00:54.05 | smtlaissezfaire | not //computer/share, but 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:54.09 | peterS | which is not quite the same thing |
| 00:54.12 | smtlaissezfaire | yes - NETBIos names |
| 00:55.02 | peterS | I haven't used the cifs filesystem so I don't know whether it supports NetBIOS. smbfs of course does support it, since it uses the 'smbmount' program to set up the connection, and smbmount uses samba client functionality |
| 00:55.17 | valdyn | cifs supports netbios names just the same |
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| 00:56.10 | valdyn | no, cifs supports the syntax //computer/share |
| 00:56.18 | valdyn | i dont think this is netbios |
| 00:56.37 | peterS | then what is 'computer' in '//computer/share'? DNS? |
| 00:56.38 | valdyn | s/netbios/necessarily netbios/ |
| 00:56.43 | valdyn | peterS: yes |
| 00:56.54 | valdyn | peterS: which it can be in samba too afaik |
| 00:56.59 | valdyn | peterS: which it can be in smbfs too afaik |
| 00:57.34 | smtlaissezfaire | valdyn: Looks like you are right. I think I was just messing up the mount command. |
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| 00:57.41 | peterS | indeed, a DNS name is resolved to an IP and smbclient/smbfs connects to an endpoint named "*SMB" or something like that |
| 00:58.00 | eifzon | anyone here using xcompmgr ? |
| 00:58.25 | peterS | oh, '*SMBSERVER' is the magic endpoint name meaning "I think I'm at the right IP address but I don't actually know the NetBIOS endpoint" |
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| 00:58.39 | valdyn | !xcompmgr |
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| 00:59.30 | valdyn | this was already fucking horrible on microsofot oses =/ |
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| 01:00.10 | Bogus8 | anyone tried out any of the CLI newsreaders? |
| 01:00.20 | Bogus8 | looking for one that is good at binaries |
| 01:00.21 | eifzon | valdyn: i wont get it to work in autostart :-s |
| 01:00.39 | valdyn | eifzon: your xcompmgr actually runs? |
| 01:00.43 | eifzon | valdyn: using fluxbox |
| 01:00.49 | eifzon | valdyn: yes, if i write it in terminal |
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| 01:01.03 | valdyn | eifzon: how do you start X or log into X? |
| 01:01.08 | eifzon | with gdm |
| 01:01.09 | eifzon | why |
| 01:01.18 | jair | when I restart the server with the fiber cable connected and the LUN connected, in the next reboot something happen that the (sda1) which suppouse to be the local scsi drive 0 becomes the sdc1 or the LUN and of course the machine stop and give em an error in the booting session |
| 01:01.36 | OhMyGods | dpkg:I cann't find the sockio.h file in /usr/*. what package I need install? |
| 01:01.37 | jair | am i missing something on the fstab? |
| 01:01.42 | smtlaissezfaire | valdyn: I can't seem to get this mount command right |
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| 01:01.44 | valdyn | eifzon: ok, edit ~/.xsession, put 2 lines in there: first one starting xcompmgr, 2nd one 'exec /usr/bin/fluxbox' |
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| 01:01.56 | valdyn | eifzon: and select the default X session in gdm, not fluxbox |
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| 01:02.27 | eifzon | valdyn: i got nothing in ~/.xession |
| 01:02.28 | valdyn | eifzon: if you never changed the session in gdm, then it should already be the correct session |
| 01:02.39 | kjikaqawej | gravity: hey there dude |
| 01:02.42 | valdyn | eifzon: i know, make that file, put in it what i said |
| 01:02.47 | eifzon | ahh ok |
| 01:03.10 | smtlaissezfaire | valdyn: Would you be willing to look at some output if I pastied my problem? |
| 01:03.23 | eifzon | valdyn: shall i restart X now |
| 01:03.25 | gravity | Hiya simonrvn |
| 01:03.28 | k1piee | sup? |
| 01:03.30 | Thuryn | sup? |
| 01:03.34 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: paste away.. |
| 01:03.38 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: ( NOT here ) |
| 01:05.26 | smtlaissezfaire | valdyn: Thanks. Here it is http://pastie.caboo.se/76404 |
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| 01:05.33 | eifzon | valdyn: my x didnt start properly after i changed the session thing |
| 01:05.40 | riot | valdyn: have you ever built the nvidia-module for 2.6.20? I found that image and headers on backports - but kbuild is missing :( |
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| 01:06.47 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: that's the netbios thing we already talked about, i think cifs needs a dns name ( or an ip ) there |
| 01:07.09 | eifzon | valdyn: how can i get into sessions with a command in terminal? |
| 01:07.13 | riot | valdyn: aah.. i opened my eyes and found it.. :) |
| 01:07.15 | Thuryn | no |
| 01:07.20 | smtlaissezfaire | valdyn: Ah. So I do need to setup a DNS server if I want to use DHCP. |
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| 01:07.42 | valdyn | smtlaissezfaire: you can assign static ip addresses via dhcp too |
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| 01:08.10 | eifzon | valdyn: you know how to open it? |
| 01:08.12 | smtlaissezfaire | this is true, but unfortunately a pain |
| 01:08.26 | valdyn | eifzon: show me your ~/.xsession file |
| 01:08.29 | smtlaissezfaire | Less of a pain than setting up a dns server,I would suspect. |
| 01:08.30 | k1piee | private |
| 01:08.39 | eifzon | valdyn: i just wanna know how to get to SESSIONS without that |
| 01:08.42 | smtlaissezfaire | Well, valdyn, thanks for your help. |
| 01:08.49 | eifzon | valdyn: graphical sessions from termial |
| 01:09.03 | valdyn | eifzon: without gdm you mean? |
| 01:09.09 | eifzon | valdyn: mm |
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| 01:09.36 | valdyn | eifzon: you can have a graphical login screen, like gdm, or log in on your console, and use 'startx' |
| 01:09.41 | eifzon | nono |
| 01:09.43 | eifzon | didnt mean that |
| 01:09.47 | eifzon | i am in X now, i wanna open the sessions |
| 01:10.03 | valdyn | eifzon: you already logged in? |
| 01:10.06 | eifzon | yes.. |
| 01:10.31 | valdyn | eifzon: log out , pick a diffrent session ( or not ) and log in again |
| 01:10.36 | eifzon | gah |
| 01:10.39 | eifzon | i wanna edit startup sessions |
| 01:10.40 | eifzon | :P |
| 01:11.00 | valdyn | eifzon: i dont know what you want |
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| 01:11.22 | valdyn | eifzon: you can SELECT a session in gdm, you can EDIT your session in ~/.xsession |
| 01:11.25 | eifzon | ok valdyn |
| 01:11.26 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:11.28 | Krhis | Applications that are launched when you log in? |
| 01:12.05 | wwasher | what is it in apt-get that tells the system to hold back certain packages? |
| 01:12.15 | eifzon | valdyn: my xession looks like this |
| 01:12.16 | eifzon | xcompmgr -c -f |
| 01:12.16 | eifzon | exec /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 01:12.29 | wwasher | i keep trying to apt-get the updates and it tells me that a bunch of stuff is being held back... |
| 01:13.15 | valdyn | eifzon: you need an & at the end of the first line |
| 01:13.22 | eifzon | ok |
| 01:13.28 | eifzon | xcompmgr -c -f & |
| 01:13.29 | eifzon | exec /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 01:13.29 | eifzon | then |
| 01:13.29 | eifzon | :p |
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| 01:13.36 | eifzon | that was right? |
| 01:13.37 | valdyn | nice, to fast |
| 01:13.40 | valdyn | eifzon: yes |
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| 01:13.44 | eifzon | valdyn: heh |
| 01:13.52 | eifzon | i just have to restart x+ |
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| 01:15.00 | solemnwarning | I have a PIII 450 backup server with RAID-5 disks, during backups sshd consumes more CPU then anything else |
| 01:15.08 | solemnwarning | Is this likely to be causing a bottleneck? |
| 01:15.09 | eifzon | valdyn: you sure its enough |
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| 01:15.57 | eifzon | valdyn: it is not loading |
| 01:16.18 | vorpal | solemnwarning: your backups are through ssh? |
| 01:16.53 | solemnwarning | rsync over SSH |
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| 01:17.10 | solemnwarning | Using checksums to compare, not timestamps |
| 01:17.23 | vorpal | solemnwarning: what is the load on this box during backup? |
| 01:17.52 | solemnwarning | It goes up and down |
| 01:18.05 | solemnwarning | Do you mean load average? |
| 01:18.10 | vorpal | yes |
| 01:18.24 | Bogus8 | anyone have any experience with any of the command line binary grabber utils for newsgroups? |
| 01:18.32 | solemnwarning | 0.10, 0.80, 0.75 |
| 01:18.48 | solemnwarning | Although it's not currently working (It's currently generating checksums on the other host) |
| 01:19.00 | vorpal | solemnwarning: well, you have CPU to spare according those numbers |
| 01:19.16 | solemnwarning | It should start a transfer in a min |
| 01:19.35 | vorpal | solemnwarning: load also reflects IO performance to some extent |
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| 01:21.31 | solemnwarning | aaaand transfer has started |
| 01:21.51 | solemnwarning | Load average has spiked to 1.39 |
| 01:21.52 | valdyn | eifzon: what's loading instead? |
| 01:22.08 | solemnwarning | SSH is hogging almost all the CPU |
| 01:22.20 | solemnwarning | >60% at some points |
| 01:22.42 | solemnwarning | The sending host is ~1% load, but thats an X2 :P |
| 01:23.00 | eifzon | no thing |
| 01:23.03 | karsten | solemnwarning: file transfer? Different host CPU speeds? |
| 01:23.06 | solemnwarning | Load avg: 1.55 |
| 01:23.23 | solemnwarning | Yeah, the source host is an X2, the backup server is a PIII 450 |
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| 01:23.43 | karsten | solemnwarning: Managing encryption/decription and compression/decompression can result in significant host load. Compression tends to be asymmetric (it's harder to compress than decompress). |
| 01:23.57 | karsten | solemnwarning: Encryption tends to be symmetric (it's about as hard to encrypt as decrypt). |
| 01:24.08 | solemnwarning | Well the sender is ~1% load |
| 01:24.15 | valdyn | eifzon: try /usr/bin/xcompmgr -c -f & instead |
| 01:24.16 | karsten | solemnwarning: What's the cipher used? Try setting default to blowfish. It's probably 3DES. |
| 01:24.20 | solemnwarning | I would guess it's waiting on the PIII most of the time |
| 01:24.22 | riot | valdyn: oh my :/ i still have that gpl_only bug |
| 01:24.27 | karsten | solemnwarning: Yeah, I could see this happening. |
| 01:24.32 | solemnwarning | karsten: Whatever the SSH default is |
| 01:24.40 | karsten | solemnwarning: 3DES. Trusted, but slow. |
| 01:24.45 | solemnwarning | hmmm |
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| 01:24.51 | valdyn | eifzon: at least fluxbox should load anyway though |
| 01:24.59 | karsten | solemnwarning: blowfish has much better performance, but is newer (about 10 years at this point), no known cracks. |
| 01:25.03 | solemnwarning | I think I can trust my mum not to run a packet sniffer and steal data from backups :P |
| 01:25.05 | valdyn | eifzon: see ~/.xsession-errors for issues |
| 01:25.13 | karsten | solemnwarning: I'd recommend it. A PIII is pretty old at this point. |
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| 01:25.34 | karsten | solemnwarning: Well, blowfish won't let her do that. You could drop crypto entirely though. |
| 01:26.48 | drwahl | any suggestoins on a good command line based mp3 player? |
| 01:26.59 | drwahl | i'm using xmms2 right now, and i'm not completely happy |
| 01:27.13 | krazykit | drwahl, mpd, the music player daemon? |
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| 01:27.16 | solemnwarning | So 3DES is a CPU hog and using blowfish won't be? |
| 01:27.17 | vorpal | mpg321 worked fine for me |
| 01:27.25 | Guerin | hey you american types |
| 01:27.36 | krazykit | hey you guerin |
| 01:27.43 | karsten | drwahl: There's also xmms-shell, which gives CLI control over xmms. |
| 01:27.47 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 01:27.51 | drwahl | vorpal: i was having issues with syntax for mpg321 |
| 01:28.03 | Guerin | this is inviting incredulity and ridicule, but is there a way to listen to rush limbaugh without signing up for a membership at his site? |
| 01:28.04 | CryptoMole | hi all |
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| 01:28.10 | drwahl | karsten: that might be what i am looking for, do i have to have an xmms window open though? |
| 01:28.26 | simonrvn | Guerin: yup, mostly the former. WTF!? |
| 01:28.28 | CryptoMole | I have reached the end |
| 01:28.33 | karsten | drwahl: I believe so. |
| 01:28.37 | krazykit | Guerin, all i can do ridicule you with incredulity. as far as i know, there's no way. |
| 01:28.42 | karsten | Guerin: stream a station that plays his crap. |
| 01:28.46 | simonrvn | Guerin: i know there's a reason for this.... and i haven't a clue, sorry |
| 01:28.51 | Guerin | karsten: mm, that would be the way |
| 01:28.58 | simonrvn | hm, that's a thought |
| 01:29.03 | krazykit | the armed forces radio stations play limbaugh |
| 01:29.06 | karsten | Guerin: Or look for a limbaugh podcast. |
| 01:29.11 | solemnwarning | I've not changed the cipher yet, load avg. is 3.30, 2.38, 1.45 |
| 01:29.12 | Guerin | simonrvn: i'm writing a paper on talk radio and character assassination |
| 01:29.13 | CryptoMole | i need help, i am looking for a repo for xgl |
| 01:29.14 | krazykit | they cut into npr to do so, too >:( |
| 01:29.21 | vorpal | krazykit: really? that sucks |
| 01:29.33 | krazykit | vorpal, i was pissed. then they played dr laura. |
| 01:29.40 | karsten | Guerin: Could you skip the paper and just get straight to that last word? |
| 01:29.42 | jair | have you ever run the command "lspci" on etch? |
| 01:29.43 | CryptoMole | is there a current deb for xgl anyone |
| 01:29.54 | karsten | !tell CryptoMole about search |
| 01:29.54 | Guerin | karsten: heh. |
| 01:29.54 | krazykit | jair, yeah |
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| 01:30.01 | jair | lspci does not work on etch?? |
| 01:30.06 | krazykit | jair, it does. |
| 01:30.10 | jair | nope |
| 01:30.14 | krazykit | yep. |
| 01:30.33 | CryptoMole | people ive searched google 2 days |
| 01:30.33 | jair | I think I have to install something, I have a very very light system install from etch |
| 01:30.34 | simonrvn | Guerin: ah cool |
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| 01:31.01 | vorpal | jair, pci-utils, or pci-tolls. i forget which |
| 01:31.05 | vorpal | tools* |
| 01:31.08 | solemnwarning | krazykit: Should I set Ciphers in sshd_config to blowfish-cbc for best performance or set it at client? |
| 01:31.21 | simonrvn | karsten: last word(s) being "F*** OFF LIMBAUGH!" ? |
| 01:31.26 | krazykit | solemnwarning, damned if i know. |
| 01:31.26 | Guerin | simonrvn: if you don't know, don't change it |
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| 01:31.29 | Guerin | bah |
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| 01:31.33 | karsten | simonrvn: See Guerin's prior post. |
| 01:31.34 | Guerin | solemnwarning: if you don't know, don't change it |
| 01:31.44 | vorpal | jair: what was the error when you tried lspci? "no such file" |
| 01:31.46 | vorpal | ? |
| 01:31.48 | vorpal | ;-) |
| 01:31.53 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 01:31.55 | CryptoMole | thanks |
| 01:31.57 | Guerin | solemnwarning: choice of cipher is very unlikely to impact on anything |
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| 01:32.16 | solemnwarning | Guerin: Apart from the throughput of my poor PIII 450 backup server ;) |
| 01:32.25 | jair | vorpal: yes |
| 01:32.29 | karsten | Guerin: Sorry? Yes it can. |
| 01:32.38 | Guerin | solemnwarning: probably not even that much. |
| 01:32.41 | jair | vorpal: debian-samba1:~# lspci |
| 01:32.42 | jair | -su: lspci: command not found |
| 01:32.42 | jair | debian-samba1:~# |
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| 01:32.51 | Guerin | karsten: my testing indicated little meaningful improvement. |
| 01:32.51 | solemnwarning | Guerin: SSH completely hogs the CPU |
| 01:33.00 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm. |
| 01:33.00 | CryptoMole | im on ubuntu right now. |
| 01:33.04 | jair | vorpal: I think I need to add it? |
| 01:33.05 | solemnwarning | The sending host ssh averages at 1% because it's waiting on the server |
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| 01:33.17 | jair | but I try apt-get install lspci and nothing |
| 01:33.20 | simonrvn | solemnwarning: using arfour right now, no problems with cpu being hogged |
| 01:33.25 | simonrvn | arcfour* |
| 01:33.25 | eddie | dose anyone know anything PX network install Debian at all? |
| 01:33.27 | vorpal | Guerin: it could be that your disks are just butt-slow. someone recommended you try your backups with no encryption. that would be a good way to determine if it is CPU or IO that is the bottleneck |
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| 01:33.41 | Guerin | solemnwarning: see what vorpal said |
| 01:33.54 | simonrvn | wtf is it with mis-tabbing nicks tonight? |
| 01:33.56 | somian | dose at all anything? |
| 01:33.59 | vorpal | Guerin: apologies |
| 01:34.01 | eddie | pxelinux.cfg files? |
| 01:34.24 | somian | If you get a dose, go to the doctor for penicillin |
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| 01:34.37 | syntaxx | i installed tomcat5 however i started tomcat5 and then when i tried to browse the url ip:8180 it says waiting but it doesnt connect anyone know why? |
| 01:34.59 | jair | vorpal: so how can I get the package "lspci" to work on my debian etch? |
| 01:35.10 | vorpal | solemnwarning: you could run rsync over rsh temporarily |
| 01:35.10 | solemnwarning | SSH is taking over half the CPU, it's definately 3DES |
| 01:35.13 | krazykit | jair, install pciutils |
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| 01:36.05 | vorpal | jair: apt-cache search lspci |
| 01:36.08 | Guerin | well, 3DES isn't the default |
| 01:36.13 | Guerin | aes128 is the default |
| 01:36.33 | karsten | solemnwarning: There *used* to be a setting for that... |
| 01:37.04 | simonrvn | still exists |
| 01:37.16 | karsten | simonrvn: Don't see it in ssh(1) or ssh_config(5) |
| 01:37.16 | solemnwarning | To disable encryption? o_O |
| 01:37.23 | solemnwarning | Neither do I |
| 01:38.13 | riot | i could puke. Why does nvidia ALWAYS have problems when upgrading...? really _always_ for 2 years now.. |
| 01:38.19 | simonrvn | Cipher |
| 01:38.22 | simonrvn | Ciphers |
| 01:38.34 | Guerin | riot: ask nvidia |
| 01:38.35 | solemnwarning | simonrvn: Thats not an option to disable |
| 01:38.54 | simonrvn | i don't think there's such a thing to disable it |
| 01:38.59 | riot | and these fine idiots first tell their users: "Before you complain: use the latest kernel".. HAH. |
| 01:39.12 | simonrvn | just gotta pick one that's efficient and good |
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| 01:39.34 | vorpal | riot, if you are upgrading your kernel, it is very likely that the nvidia module needs to be rebuilt |
| 01:39.38 | solemnwarning | I don't think encryption matters for transferring accross my switched LAN :P |
| 01:39.38 | simonrvn | arcfour is a good choice for that |
| 01:39.48 | solemnwarning | Ok, thanks |
| 01:40.04 | simonrvn | so use something like netcat |
| 01:40.15 | solemnwarning | I take it arcfour128 is faster then arcfour256? |
| 01:40.16 | simonrvn | or rsync, or ... |
| 01:40.25 | solemnwarning | I still want auth on it |
| 01:40.29 | sebastian | How do i mount my 500GB disk that is on /dev/sdc1 to my home directory in /home/sebastian/Warez2 |
| 01:40.30 | riot | vorpal: i'm trying that for 2 hours now. It cannot compile because of bugs. I tried 2.6.21 first, now 2.6.20 .. both with problems. |
| 01:40.32 | simonrvn | i wouldn't go below 128 |
| 01:40.40 | sebastian | So I have RW rightw on it |
| 01:40.44 | simonrvn | that's like bare minimum nowadays |
| 01:40.49 | solemnwarning | Ok |
| 01:41.06 | solemnwarning | I'll make sure to note of my mum acting suspiciosly and messing with my switches :) |
| 01:41.40 | solemnwarning | arcfour, arcfour128 and arcfour56, which is quickest? |
| 01:41.47 | riot | i'm already building my own kbuild-packages.. gnf. all these hassles just because of their (&! greed |
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| 01:42.06 | Guerin | riot: solution: don't use it. |
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| 01:42.42 | sebastian | ehm.. doesn't anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 01:42.49 | riot | Guerin: not an option. |
| 01:43.02 | Guerin | riot: it's always an option. |
| 01:43.17 | Guerin | sebastian: you ask how to mount your warez disk and expect help? HAHAHA/ |
| 01:43.18 | sebastian | How do i mount /dev/sdc1 to /home/sebastian/Warez2 so that i have ReadWrite rights |
| 01:43.31 | Guerin | sebastian: man mount |
| 01:43.34 | sebastian | Guerin, There isn't any warez on it yet |
| 01:43.41 | Guerin | sebastian: we care. |
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| 01:43.46 | sebastian | Guerin, I've read the manual |
| 01:43.53 | riot | Guerin: yes, i can even sell all my computers, walk off into the desert and become an eremite. Sure, you're right. Know what? I'd rather chase nvidia's linux-dev-team there.. |
| 01:43.57 | Guerin | sebastian: then you know how to do this. |
| 01:44.09 | eddie | anyone here ever done a PXE install of debian? |
| 01:44.13 | Guerin | riot: you'd have better luck with the desert thing. |
| 01:44.18 | eddie | label debian KERNEL deb-vmlinuz APPEND initrd=deb-initrd.gz network ramdisk_size=14984 ks=nfs:192.168.0.223:/data/network-install/kickstart/preseed.cfg ksdevice=eth0 |
| 01:44.21 | eddie | what is wrong with at? |
| 01:44.22 | Guerin | !anyone use a PXE install of debian? |
| 01:44.22 | dpkg | No, no one uses a PXE install of debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:44.26 | riot | Guerin: or better, their managers/executives.. |
| 01:44.30 | Guerin | riot: HAHA |
| 01:44.39 | Guerin | we have a comedian in our midst |
| 01:44.43 | eddie | anyone? |
| 01:44.49 | sebastian | mount /dev/sdc1 /home/sebastian/Warez2 -o rw,uid=1000 should make it mount and give me RW rights |
| 01:44.54 | sebastian | but ut dosn't |
| 01:45.00 | asg | Guerin: A bear and a rabbit are taking a shit in the woods ... |
| 01:45.18 | sebastian | Guerin, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1, |
| 01:45.23 | simonrvn | asg: bah-dum-tssh |
| 01:45.27 | sebastian | And I dont get that |
| 01:45.34 | asg | simonrvn: it's the only joke I know |
| 01:45.35 | Guerin | sebastian: you didn;t read the manual properly. Read it again. |
| 01:45.42 | vorpal | asg: eddie murphy - delirious |
| 01:46.00 | asg | sounds about right |
| 01:46.09 | vorpal | asg: hummuna hummuna |
| 01:46.15 | simonrvn | we share a b-day, him and i |
| 01:46.22 | jair | krazykit: thanks I will do that |
| 01:46.27 | asg | gi joe was swimmin' in da water |
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| 01:46.35 | simonrvn | he's like 10 years older or something |
| 01:46.53 | asg | simonrvn: Guerin or Eddie? |
| 01:46.57 | simonrvn | eddie |
| 01:47.00 | jair | krazykit: got it |
| 01:47.02 | jair | ;) |
| 01:47.10 | jair | now lspci works |
| 01:47.10 | vorpal | simonrvn: what was that flick he did with steve martin? |
| 01:47.16 | eddie | simonrvn: yes? |
| 01:47.27 | simonrvn | eddie: wrong eddie ;) |
| 01:47.36 | simonrvn | eddie: sorry =) |
| 01:47.43 | eddie | no help with the ummm pxe install anyone? |
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| 01:47.50 | Guerin | !piav |
| 01:47.51 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 01:47.54 | Guerin | eddie: ↑ |
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| 01:47.57 | simonrvn | vorpal: i know which one you're talking about, but i'm bad with names :/ |
| 01:48.01 | eddie | Guerin: yes? |
| 01:48.03 | vorpal | bowfinger |
| 01:48.08 | vorpal | jsut found it on google |
| 01:48.09 | Guerin | eddie: follow the ↑ |
| 01:48.17 | eddie | ? |
| 01:48.19 | asg | Guerin: patience is also a shitty Guns-n-Roses tune |
| 01:48.32 | Guerin | eddie: PATIENCE is a fucking virtue |
| 01:48.34 | vorpal | simonrvn: that movie was hilarious |
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| 01:48.37 | simonrvn | he might see it like a ÁE |
| 01:48.41 | eddie | Guerin: no really.... |
| 01:48.43 | simonrvn | or something |
| 01:48.49 | simonrvn | vorpal: it was :) |
| 01:48.51 | simonrvn | brb |
| 01:49.21 | simonrvn | Guerin: "PATIENCE IS A GODDAMNED FUCKING VIRTUE, GOT IT?" ;) |
| 01:49.41 | sebastian | Guerin, found it out just now.. just put "rw, users" in fstab |
| 01:49.42 | Guerin | simonrvn: i was saving that for a bit later, now you've gone and ruined it ;( |
| 01:50.05 | Guerin | sebastian: see, you believed in yourself and you did it |
| 01:50.24 | drwahl | i am trying to find some more detailed info about lm_sensor, but cant seem to find it. i am tryin to set some sensors for a karamba theme |
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| 01:50.45 | riot | hah. i made that bloody nvidia-module compile. |
| 01:50.55 | simonrvn | Guerin: aaaw :( |
| 01:51.00 | simonrvn | sowwy :/ |
| 01:51.12 | sebastian | Guerin, is it possible to make the "lost+found" dir on the new formated disk not visible? |
| 01:51.24 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:51.45 | simonrvn | except by removing it, and i don't suggest that |
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| 01:51.55 | krazykit | it's possible, but it takes a kernel patch and such |
| 01:52.08 | krazykit | some other distro does it, but i don't recall which |
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| 01:52.28 | sebastian | Doesn't care rly though.. Im almost always using the console to navigate.. s |
| 01:52.35 | sebastian | so its not in the way.. |
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| 01:53.24 | sebastian | Yay! Got to get up to work in 2 hours.. better go to bed.. |
| 01:53.27 | sebastian | *poof* |
| 01:54.06 | vorpal | sebastian: better have a tripe-redundant alarm ;-) |
| 01:54.11 | vorpal | triple* |
| 01:54.38 | vorpal | set the coffee to brewing right now... ;-) |
| 01:55.11 | sebastian | vorpal, Nono.. If i sleep more than 5 hours or less than 10 i get really tired |
| 01:55.15 | sebastian | so now its ok.. |
| 01:55.28 | sebastian | Its under 5 hours |
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| 01:55.45 | dasunt | I'm getting errors along the line of "tar: opt/share/pixmaps/qjoypad/icon64.png: Warning: Cannot readlink: No such file or directory" |
| 01:55.48 | dasunt | And: |
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| 01:55.52 | sebastian | Bye.. |
| 01:55.55 | sebastian | gnite |
| 01:55.55 | dasunt | I'm getting errors along the line of "tar: opt/share/pixmaps/qjoypad/icon64.png: Warning: Cannot readlink: No such file or directory" |
| 01:55.56 | vorpal | ciao |
| 01:56.06 | dasunt | And "tar: initrd: Warning: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 01:56.12 | lindenle | Is there a standard place in init.d to put traffic control (tc) filter definitions? |
| 01:57.29 | simonrvn | nope |
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| 01:57.55 | lindenle | simonrvn: thx |
| 01:58.19 | simonrvn | just stick a script there to get run from rc.local or your own script |
| 01:58.40 | solemnwarning | I've setup a server for running unattended backups daily, it uses SSH which is causing a huge bottleneck |
| 01:58.58 | solemnwarning | Can anyone suggest a plaintext replacement that I could use instead? |
| 01:59.01 | lindenle | simonrvn: good advice thx |
| 01:59.13 | solemnwarning | I'm using rsync over SSH atm |
| 01:59.25 | simonrvn | solemnwarning: tried mounting it via nfs, then unmounting the nfs share after the backup is done? |
| 01:59.35 | Supaplex | lindenle: S39 is ifupdown (rcS.d) |
| 01:59.41 | Guerin | solemnwarning: over a trusted or untrusted network? |
| 01:59.45 | solemnwarning | Trustes |
| 01:59.51 | Guerin | solemnwarning: use FTP |
| 01:59.55 | Guerin | zanonymous |
| 02:00.01 | solemnwarning | Guerin: ........ |
| 02:00.02 | lindenle | Supaplex:huh |
| 02:00.19 | solemnwarning | I wasn't aware FTP support permissions, owners, attribs, hardlinks, symlinks, ect |
| 02:00.29 | Guerin | solemnwarning: tar does |
| 02:00.32 | simonrvn | Supaplex: good idea, run it from ifup.d or something |
| 02:00.33 | solemnwarning | EW |
| 02:00.36 | Supaplex | lindenle: /etc/rc?.d/ holds symlinks to /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:00.41 | riot | yeaaah. i made it.. that buggy nvidia-module runs :D |
| 02:00.42 | simonrvn | /etc/network/ifup.d |
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| 02:00.48 | Supaplex | lilalinux: simonrvn has a great point. ifup.d |
| 02:00.49 | Guerin | solemnwarning: or, the best option, use rsnapshot or something similarly differential |
| 02:00.49 | solemnwarning | I do incremental backups, tar would prevent that working |
| 02:00.52 | lindenle | Supaplex:this I know |
| 02:01.02 | solemnwarning | What's wrong with rsync? |
| 02:01.06 | Guerin | oh, and incremental backups are still too slow?? |
| 02:01.09 | riot | wow.. what hard work. |
| 02:01.21 | solemnwarning | Guerin: This is a full backup running now |
| 02:01.28 | solemnwarning | I only just built the system :P |
| 02:01.31 | simonrvn | lindenle: would get run from when the network comes up |
| 02:01.35 | Guerin | solemnwarning: so let it run. It'll be slow but it only needs done once. |
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| 02:01.44 | solemnwarning | Maybe |
| 02:01.54 | lindenle | simonrvn: yes I guess I really should put it in the network ifup scripts then |
| 02:01.55 | solemnwarning | I'll look at the times once tommorows backup is done |
| 02:01.57 | Guerin | by the time you cobble together another system it'll be finished |
| 02:02.12 | riot | wow!! that effort was worth it. my 3d is tripple as fast as before. Hah! (still i'd not want to do that again) |
| 02:02.13 | Supaplex | Guerin: rsnapshot uses rsync right? |
| 02:02.27 | Guerin | Supaplex: yes, it's just a shell script around rsync. |
| 02:02.41 | Supaplex | humm cool. |
| 02:02.48 | riot | valdyn: i recreated the patch you mentioned, using some info on the net for 2.6.21.. tedious work, but it does the trick and yields a fine high speed nvidia.ko |
| 02:03.28 | riot | yeehaw! Quake 4 for linux :D |
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| 02:03.53 | krazykit | bleh. the game was disappointing. |
| 02:03.57 | axolx | hey guys -- is there a version of mutt in the debian repositories that has header_cache enabled? |
| 02:04.04 | solemnwarning | The machine just halted, backup done :D |
| 02:04.04 | Guerin | quake III was disappointing enough |
| 02:04.14 | Guerin | never bothered to look at 4 |
| 02:04.21 | solemnwarning | Full backup of my puny ~13GiB took just over an hour |
| 02:04.25 | simonrvn | axolx: by default, sid and lenny; just enable it in .muttrc |
| 02:04.30 | Guerin | axolx: mine has for ages |
| 02:04.31 | riot | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.33 | simonrvn | probably etch too |
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| 02:04.47 | axolx | simonrvn: Guerin: im using lenny. i thought my muttrc had it enabled |
| 02:04.54 | Guerin | solemnwarning: that's nothing to complain about |
| 02:05.05 | solemnwarning | I hate to think what the backup will be like after I add the bigger disks and move ~150GiB of media in one go |
| 02:05.19 | solemnwarning | I'll probably take days... ^^ |
| 02:05.32 | Guerin | axolx: set header_cache="~/.mutt/tmp" or similar in muttrc? |
| 02:05.43 | Supaplex | solemnwarning: it'll take " this long " ;) |
| 02:05.51 | solemnwarning | Supaplex: Thanks! |
| 02:05.58 | eddie | how do i mount a NFS ina preseed.cfg? |
| 02:05.59 | Supaplex | hehe sure! :P |
| 02:06.00 | axolx | Guerin: simonrvn : oops never mind. i had it commented out. do you guys know what DB backend it uses? |
| 02:06.18 | simonrvn | axolx: sid's just switched to gdbm |
| 02:06.29 | Guerin | axolx: it just dumps textfile fragments to disk, AIUI |
| 02:06.31 | simonrvn | used bdb4.2 IIRC before |
| 02:06.37 | Guerin | oh, perhaps not |
| 02:06.43 | Supaplex | eddie: nfs clients need /etc/fstab entries, and portmap running (and other stuff, I forget) |
| 02:06.47 | axolx | Guerin: simonrvn: k. thanks much |
| 02:06.53 | simonrvn | np |
| 02:07.15 | Supaplex | hummm |
| 02:07.16 | Guerin | eddie: ask #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 02:07.17 | eddie | Supaplex: nogt what i am talking about |
| 02:07.52 | Supaplex | so leave? - uh no. *shrug* |
| 02:08.10 | Guerin | i think he's using a retarded irc client which can only do one server at a time |
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| 02:08.31 | Supaplex | irssi ftw :) <3 |
| 02:08.51 | simonrvn | agreed |
| 02:08.59 | axolx | hey guys -- is there a 256color terminal in the Lenny reps that would work nicely with Gnome? |
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| 02:10.08 | toraton | valdyn, can you link me to that site you did earlier, about apache security? |
| 02:10.10 | dondelelcaro | axolx: uh... why do you need a 256 color terminal? |
| 02:10.16 | toraton | valdyn, the one with fastcgid and such? |
| 02:10.31 | simonrvn | s/he likes playing with acsii art? |
| 02:10.38 | axolx | dondelelcaro: for the colors :) |
| 02:10.42 | simonrvn | ascii* |
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| 02:12.00 | axolx | dondelelcaro: why does it matter why i want it? but the answer is that i use a Vim colorscheme that looks a lot better in 256 colors |
| 02:12.02 | Supaplex | 256k vga ! wouuuwouu! |
| 02:12.33 | dondelelcaro | another: well, xterm supports it, and urxvt does. |
| 02:13.16 | dondelelcaro | actually, urxvt doesn't; xterm definetly does, though. |
| 02:13.32 | axolx | dondelelcaro: cool. thanks |
| 02:13.58 | axolx | is the gnome terminal app any good? |
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| 02:14.53 | cat | axolx: try using aterm |
| 02:14.56 | cat | it kick a$$ |
| 02:14.59 | Guerin | axolx: no |
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| 02:17.09 | axolx | cat: what about kicks a$$? |
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| 02:18.13 | zappacky | hey all, anyone here? |
| 02:18.16 | Supaplex | it has a built in foot. "You'll just know" |
| 02:18.29 | Supaplex | zappacky: are you? |
| 02:18.35 | zappacky | im having the strangest problem with my laptop |
| 02:18.38 | jair | hello guys, how canb i tell the kernel load the scsi local disk 0 and 1 before load the qlogic hba fiber? |
| 02:18.45 | zappacky | i installed debian etch amd64 |
| 02:18.52 | zappacky | and during boot, login, and normal console usage |
| 02:18.57 | zappacky | the system randomly goes unresponsive |
| 02:18.59 | zappacky | completely |
| 02:19.06 | zappacky | the cursor blinks, but it doesnt respond |
| 02:19.07 | Supaplex | !tell zappacky -about enter |
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| 02:19.32 | zappacky | sorry, bad habit, hard to break |
| 02:19.58 | jair | I am having a weird issue with my system, when I reboot the system with the fiber attached the "scsi disk0" becomes "scsi disk2" and the lun disk becomes ""scsi disk0" :( |
| 02:20.11 | Supaplex | zappacky: did you try any alternate boot options? |
| 02:20.22 | jair | how can I tell the kernel to load the drivers or modules to avoid this issue |
| 02:20.26 | zappacky | single-user mode did the same thing |
| 02:20.33 | zappacky | thats all i know what to try |
| 02:20.40 | Supaplex | jair: with udev I would think. |
| 02:20.51 | jair | Supaplex: hmm |
| 02:20.58 | zappacky | i even installed plain x86 debian, thinking it might be a compatibility issue, but no luck. same /exact/ problem |
| 02:21.11 | jair | Supaplex: the weird thing is that if I disconnect the fiber, then the machine boots properly |
| 02:21.13 | Supaplex | zappacky: far too many pcs have buggy acpi. try searching the net for forums and mailing lists posts similar to your hardware and symptoms |
| 02:21.29 | zappacky | how would i disable acpi (and its a laptop btw?) |
| 02:21.36 | Supaplex | !acpi |
| 02:21.36 | dpkg | hmm... acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
| 02:21.38 | Guerin | zappacky: boot with acpi=off |
| 02:21.42 | Supaplex | apci=off |
| 02:21.50 | zappacky | thanks, lemme give that a shot |
| 02:21.53 | Supaplex | zappacky: acpi is just one idea. |
| 02:22.06 | Supaplex | !giyf |
| 02:22.06 | dpkg | [giyf] Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 02:22.11 | Guerin | try also noapic and nolapic |
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| 02:22.20 | abrotman | apic isn't acpi |
| 02:22.30 | Guerin | i realise that |
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| 02:22.46 | Guerin | but it's another subsystem which can fuck up device recognition |
| 02:23.25 | Supaplex | !typosmite /dev/input |
| 02:23.31 | Supaplex | my bad. :p |
| 02:23.51 | drwahl | ok, i got lm-sensors installed. i then did sensors-detect to find the sensors my system may have and i get an ouput about k8temp not being available. does anyone know anything about k8temp? |
| 02:24.46 | wols | drwahl: http://www.punknix.com/?q=node/109 |
| 02:26.05 | drwahl | it seems taht a username and password are required |
| 02:26.43 | vorpal | free registration? |
| 02:26.49 | jair | has anyone here try to add a lun froma SAN to a Debian ETch system? |
| 02:26.54 | wols | drwahl: where? the url I pasted? not for me |
| 02:26.57 | jair | I am having a weird issue |
| 02:27.04 | drwahl | wols: lol, nm |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | shocking! |
| 02:27.07 | drwahl | it didnt copy |
| 02:27.14 | drwahl | so it was a different site :) |
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| 02:28.10 | jair | each time i reboot the system with the fiber cable attached the "scsi disk 0" = sda is switched by the "scsi disk 2" = sdc |
| 02:28.13 | vorpal | jair, no. what kind of adapter is it? |
| 02:28.17 | rickbot_ | well the page says how to load the module but what does k8temp show the temperature of? |
| 02:28.19 | jair | qlogic |
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| 02:29.52 | drwahl | wols: exactly what i needed, thank you! |
| 02:29.54 | vorpal | jair, what exactly is happening? i had a hard time understanding your previous statement |
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| 02:30.35 | zappacky | no luck, disabled acpi and it hung less than a second into boot |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | and apic ? |
| 02:31.41 | zappacky | whats that again? |
| 02:31.44 | jair | vorpal: do you want to go to msg so i can paste. |
| 02:32.14 | vorpal | jair, use a pastebin |
| 02:32.18 | jair | ok |
| 02:32.40 | abrotman | zappacky: apic=off ... i think |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | oh wait .. apic=noapic |
| 02:32.54 | wols | abrotman: noapic nolapic |
| 02:33.00 | wols | you mean acpi=off |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | that was the first one! |
| 02:33.19 | abrotman | i thouhgt it was apic=noapic |
| 02:33.24 | abrotman | bah .. |
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| 02:33.27 | zappacky | acpi=off == system hang in < 1second |
| 02:33.42 | zappacky | apic = ? |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | !apic |
| 02:33.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:33.52 | wols | advanced programmable interrupt controller |
| 02:34.07 | axolx | hey guys -- i installed xterm, but can't get 256 color support. im using lenny. i tried export TERM=xterm-256color, but i get an error that zsh cant find the terminal definition |
| 02:34.10 | syntaxx | anyone here already try installing tomcat5 and tomcat5-admin? im having a little problem whenever i installed tomcat5-admin im getting translate: Assertion `reinvoke == false' failed |
| 02:35.24 | zappacky | wols: so what would the option be for boot? Ive seen now 3 different things it /could/ be, noapic apic=noapic, and apic=off |
| 02:35.28 | zappacky | which is it? |
| 02:35.30 | jair | vorpal: 1) I have a debian system with two scsi local disks = http://rafb.net/p/GKvxWU14.html |
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| 02:36.12 | vorpal | jair, OK, i'm with you so far |
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| 02:37.11 | axolx | how can i check the compile options used to build a debian package (xterm)? im on lenny |
| 02:37.20 | jair | vorpal: 2) here is how the fstab of this system looks like => http://rafb.net/p/q9rjft47.html |
| 02:37.34 | dondelelcaro | axolx: it'll be listed in debian/rules in the diff.gz for xterm. |
| 02:37.46 | zappacky | 'OHHH i forgot to mention, when i boot occasionally random things fail. One time i got an ata message saying failed to 'IDENTIFY', one time i got a usb device not accepting an address (i have no usb devices hooked up), and other random failures |
| 02:37.55 | dondelelcaro | axolx: but you can just run http://frexx.de/xterm-256-notes/data/256colors2.pl if you're trying to figure out whether it actually supports 256 colors |
| 02:38.20 | drwahl | the command sensors gives me the output below. how do i pull just the +35(degrees)C out? |
| 02:38.26 | jair | vorpal: 3) I already configured and format the second local disk and is mounted and added to the "fstab" as you can see is mounted on "/disk2" |
| 02:38.38 | jair | vorpal: are you with me still? |
| 02:38.50 | axolx | dondelelcaro: i am trying to figure that out and i ran the script. but it doesnt look exactly like the website shows (although) similar |
| 02:38.51 | drwahl | uhg, lemme paste to some where else |
| 02:39.00 | vorpal | yes, still here |
| 02:39.02 | wols | zappacky: I already said |
| 02:39.07 | axolx | dondelelcaro: where is that diff.gz file you mentioned? should it be in my filesystem? |
| 02:39.17 | jair | vorpal: I mean are you understanding? |
| 02:39.34 | dondelelcaro | axolx: no, it's part of the source package. |
| 02:39.40 | vorpal | jair, i am following you, yes |
| 02:39.53 | dondelelcaro | axolx: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xterm/xterm_226-1.diff.gz |
| 02:39.56 | jair | vorpal: so far with this, the system works properly, I have that disk mounted on |
| 02:40.08 | jair | "disk2" filesystem |
| 02:40.15 | jair | and everything works nicely |
| 02:40.23 | vorpal | OK... |
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| 02:40.36 | jair | it is configured as XFS instead EXT3 but that should not be any issue |
| 02:40.50 | jair | vorpal: now here is where you have to pay closely attention. |
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| 02:40.58 | vorpal | :-) |
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| 02:41.23 | jair | vorpal: I added a qlogic fiber card hba to the linux server debian etch 4.0 |
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| 02:41.56 | vorpal | same machine, right? |
| 02:42.13 | vorpal | brb |
| 02:42.29 | axolx | dondelelcaro: thanks. so it looks that the enable-256-color option is on. hmmm |
| 02:42.35 | jair | vorpal: yes |
| 02:42.45 | jair | vorpal: this is to the same machine |
| 02:44.27 | jair | vorpal: this is part of the "dmesg" http://rafb.net/p/1uRdUy77.html |
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| 02:45.27 | jair | vorpal: as we can see the cable was unplugged because otherwise i have the stupid error of the hard drives switched. basically you can see how the "scsi0" is taken by the qlogic |
| 02:45.38 | axolx | im confused. i now know that xterm is compiled with 256 colors but i cant use them. when vim or mutt try to set the colors i get errors saying that term does not support the color. |
| 02:45.53 | axolx | does anyone know if i need to set a specific value for TERM ? i have TERM=xterm-color |
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| 02:47.43 | jair | vorpal: if I do not have the cable plugged the machine use "scsi0" the local disk (which is where debian is installed) but if I boot with the fiber cable plugged the machine return and error, and when I press "control + D" to continue the boot process I can see that "scsi0" is now the fiber hba :( and the two scsi local disk has been move to a lower letter or number |
| 02:47.47 | vorpal | jair: so the problem has to do with device reordering, it seems. what kernel version are you using? i think that udev has the ability to specifiy device numbers |
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| 02:48.16 | vorpal | jair, mind you, i only vaguely recall reading about this. |
| 02:48.23 | jair | I am using this: 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 02:48.35 | soblue | i'm trying to install the documentation for Python 2.4. debian.org says python2.4-doc is in stable, but apt-get says "python2.4-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package." anyone know what's going on? |
| 02:48.37 | jair | vorpal: ?? |
| 02:48.58 | vorpal | jair, take a look at udev |
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| 02:49.17 | zappacky | hehe thank you |
| 02:49.23 | zappacky | noapic and nolapic fixed the problem |
| 02:50.14 | zappacky | although at one point i got a message, irq 7: nobody cared, try boot option pollirqs, then after about 20 lines of debug it said it disabled IRQ #7 |
| 02:50.20 | vorpal | jair, http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/LinuxHelp_UDEVPrimer.html |
| 02:50.28 | jair | vorpal: http://rafb.net/p/M8DM0e47.html :( |
| 02:51.14 | vorpal | jair, you've tried then? |
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| 02:52.32 | vorpal | jair, i'm afraid i can't offer more help. :-| |
| 02:52.53 | jair | vorpal: nope |
| 02:52.58 | jair | vorpal: thank you though |
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| 02:53.24 | jair | vorpal: I will leave the machine like that at leas never ever restart it :D |
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| 02:53.58 | vorpal | jair, i think i will sit down and figure out udev myself |
| 02:55.19 | jair | haha |
| 02:55.43 | jair | I heard that all I meed to do is change the order how the kernel is loading the drivers |
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| 02:56.08 | soblue | anyone know why a package might be listed in stable at debian.org but not available via apt-get (when using the stable version, etch)? |
| 02:56.16 | jair | but if the kernel load first the devices on board scsi like the hd then after that load the qlogic I will be good |
| 02:56.22 | abrotman | soblue: security package ? |
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| 02:56.33 | soblue | abrotman: nope. a documentation package |
| 02:56.36 | smacnay | can a dvd-ram disk be blanked? |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | soblue: which package ? |
| 02:56.49 | soblue | python2.4-doc |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | !info python2.4-doc etch |
| 02:57.00 | dpkg | python2.4-doc: (Documentation for the high-level object-oriented language Python (v2.4)), section contrib/doc, is optional. Version: 2.4.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 3280 kB, Installed size: 18288 kB |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | soblue: it's in contrib .. do you have contrib sources ? |
| 02:57.43 | soblue | I don't know |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:58.07 | soblue | ok, one sec |
| 02:59.29 | soblue | I see deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 02:59.29 | soblue | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 02:59.37 | soblue | in my sources.list |
| 03:00.34 | soblue | abrotman: is that what you're talking about? |
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| 03:00.58 | abrotman | that's for security .. not for your main sources |
| 03:01.15 | soblue | okay.. one sec then |
| 03:01.25 | vorpal | jair: also, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 03:01.52 | soblue | this is my other source: |
| 03:01.54 | soblue | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main |
| 03:01.54 | soblue | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main |
| 03:02.01 | soblue | no contrib there |
| 03:02.33 | soblue | I guess that's the problem, right? |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | soblue: right .. add a contrib after main there |
| 03:03.22 | soblue | okay, thanks! :) |
| 03:03.25 | jair | vorpal: I will stop for now and rest, comeback later for more google search |
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| 03:03.46 | vorpal | the last link i think will lead you in the right direction |
| 03:04.09 | vorpal | but rest now. i will, too! |
| 03:04.20 | soblue | btw, what does "contrib" mean anyway (other than the obvious, a contraction of contribute)? |
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| 03:05.08 | Supaplex | with softraid, (how) can I use a set of disks in stripping for the parity of a raid5 set (above)? and will it make the raid5 any faster? (all things/disk performance being equal) |
| 03:05.53 | Supaplex | Eg, I have 3 320gb drives, and 2 160gb drives. |
| 03:06.26 | soblue | the reason I ask is because I'm wondering if "contrib" means "3rd-party contributions" and implies any sort of security risk |
| 03:06.28 | vorpal | Supaplex: the parity of a RAID5 is distributed across all members of the set |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 03:06.41 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 03:06.43 | Supaplex | ahh ok |
| 03:07.07 | Supaplex | what's the most efficent number of disks for raid5? |
| 03:07.14 | soblue | ok.. thanks again, abrotman |
| 03:07.17 | abrotman | Supaplex: it doesn't matter |
| 03:07.47 | Supaplex | how much overhead is there? so 3 disks is just as efficent as 4 or 5? |
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| 03:08.05 | abrotman | it's striped |
| 03:08.31 | Supaplex | ok |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | i would imagine more means less activity .. but it's still spread out |
| 03:09.44 | toraton | anyone here use cgiwrap? |
| 03:09.57 | toraton | I can't find any worthwhile documentation on it. |
| 03:09.59 | Supaplex | hummm yeah. how does it scale? What if I buy another 320gb drive later? |
| 03:10.24 | Supaplex | I suppose I'd have to rebuild the set, right? or I could just tag it as another spare. |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | another spare ? |
| 03:10.40 | Supaplex | s/another // |
| 03:11.33 | abrotman | a hot spare won't help efficiency .. just that you have a hot spare if one goes down |
| 03:12.13 | Supaplex | *nod* I'm thinking out loud. :P |
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| 03:13.11 | GreaseMonkey | i'm talking out loud. beat that. |
| 03:13.14 | Supaplex | I'd have to rebuild the set when I want to make use of another drive, right? (if it wasn't a spare) |
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| 03:14.28 | Supaplex | McCoys: uhm.. no |
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| 03:15.14 | micky | hello, is there a config file i could modify to make dhclient request a DHCPDISCOVER after a certain time ( 5 mins ) if $eth has no ip or dhclient is not started ? CASE: if my adsl router starts last then my debian box just stands there and doesnt ask for an ip ever.. so it`s a problem.. |
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| 03:15.56 | micky | i could write a script that does check that but i want to make sure i dont reinvent the wheel first ;) |
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| 03:16.44 | micky | any ideas ? |
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| 03:19.22 | karsten | micky: Go ahead and write that script. |
| 03:19.46 | micky | karsten oki |
| 03:25.20 | Supaplex | is there anything else like inittab or watch, for daemons? bad things happen when the monitoring thread exits w/o restarting (unless I wanted it to /etc/init.d/... stop) |
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| 03:30.21 | slack101 | what is pcap ? |
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| 03:31.46 | Supaplex | slack101: packet capture. see tcpdump |
| 03:31.53 | Rusty1 | slack101: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pcap fwiw |
| 03:32.02 | slack101 | pcap_open_live(): SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device |
| 03:32.25 | slack101 | do i gotta confiure it or what ? |
| 03:32.50 | Supaplex | slack101: most pcap utils have -i <interface>, which assumes eth0 unless you specify |
| 03:33.03 | slack101 | it is eth0 |
| 03:33.26 | Supaplex | is vserver involved? |
| 03:35.33 | Winkie | hey guys, when rebuilding a package with dpkg -b, how do i up the version number one or even change it at all? |
| 03:35.37 | Winkie | i can't seem to find where it's defined |
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| 03:36.51 | doolin | how do you change the root password? |
| 03:37.11 | Supaplex | the same way users change theirs. |
| 03:37.31 | Supaplex | passwd (1) - change user password |
| 03:37.44 | doolin | thanks |
| 03:37.52 | techfury90 | anyone good with ppc systems? |
| 03:38.09 | Supaplex | !tell doolin -about grounding |
| 03:38.18 | Supaplex | !tell techfury90 -about ask |
| 03:38.49 | techfury90 | what is the best way to get a rescue shell on an oldworld system then? |
| 03:39.02 | techfury90 | mac os/bootx isn't an option |
| 03:39.51 | Supaplex | techfury90: I'd check the install guide for ppc |
| 03:40.02 | Supaplex | !tell techfury90 -about i-g |
| 03:40.09 | techfury90 | i know the guide :P |
| 03:40.12 | paganjew | has anyone used sqlite for personal database like address book, or a library |
| 03:40.23 | techfury90 | that bot is kinda cool tho |
| 03:40.26 | paganjew | is this a reasonable use of it? |
| 03:40.52 | Rusty1 | simonrvn: ayt? |
| 03:40.52 | Supaplex | paganjew: I hear firefox 3 (in beta) uses it. |
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| 03:41.04 | Supaplex | paganjew: for bookmarks |
| 03:41.06 | slack101 | how can i see my open ports ? |
| 03:41.08 | slack101 | :P |
| 03:41.13 | slack101 | sorry for the n00b questions |
| 03:41.16 | Supaplex | !open port |
| 03:41.18 | Supaplex | !open ports |
| 03:41.18 | dpkg | i guess open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
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| 03:43.08 | slack101 | how na i see whats oging on tcp wise ? |
| 03:43.09 | Rusty1 | techfury90: try asking on #debianppc? |
| 03:43.13 | slack101 | like see the packages |
| 03:43.15 | slack101 | etc ? |
| 03:43.17 | slack101 | packets |
| 03:43.18 | paganjew | doesn't help Supaplex but thanks |
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| 03:43.52 | techfury90 | Rusty1: i was about to ask |
| 03:43.58 | Supaplex | !rescue |
| 03:43.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 03:45.06 | Supaplex | slack101: there's lots of ways. tcpdump. anything along that lines will use libnet and/or libnids |
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| 03:45.35 | Rusty1 | techfury90: IIRC you can d/l an OS8.something from apple and go from there |
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| 03:45.44 | Supaplex | er libpcap |
| 03:45.56 | techfury90 | i have an 8.5 cd |
| 03:45.56 | `Nick | is their a liveCD with wireless cards enabled? |
| 03:46.06 | slack101 | well i owuld liek to read what is going on :P |
| 03:46.09 | techfury90 | i just don't wanna go thru the hassle of setting that all up |
| 03:46.26 | Supaplex | slack101: tcpdump -i all tcp ? |
| 03:46.33 | slack101 | im having a time installing and running OpenVCP its a tool for linux vserver to manage vservers |
| 03:46.38 | Supaplex | techfury90: 8.5 cd of what? |
| 03:46.42 | techfury90 | mac os |
| 03:46.48 | slack101 | Supaplex, i just want 1 port |
| 03:46.54 | slack101 | any wya i can limit to one port ? |
| 03:46.59 | Supaplex | slack101: tcpdump -i all tcp and port 80 |
| 03:47.06 | slack101 | and ? |
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| 03:47.18 | Supaplex | slack101: man tcpdump |
| 03:48.22 | slack101 | man this is becoming hard |
| 03:48.23 | Supaplex | slack101: eg, the "expression" argument(s) |
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| 03:48.55 | Supaplex | slack101: do you want to simply monitor those packets, do you want to firewall it, or something else? |
| 03:49.00 | Supaplex | !wayttd |
| 03:49.00 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 03:50.53 | slack101 | Supaplex, i want to see whats coming through |
| 03:51.09 | Supaplex | the payload to? |
| 03:51.24 | Guerin | tcpdump isn't a toy |
| 03:51.30 | Guerin | go and learn how to use it |
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| 03:52.57 | aztec105 | ok who bill gates the installer for Etch ? |
| 03:53.11 | slack101 | Supaplex, you ever install it ? |
| 03:53.35 | `Nick | anyone know how to get debian to find my wireless card? |
| 03:53.46 | Guerin | aztec105: WTF |
| 03:53.50 | GreaseMonkey | aztec105: Your grammar the incorrect of english use. |
| 03:53.52 | Guerin | `Nick: lspci |
| 03:53.53 | Supaplex | slack101: tcpdump? commonly. |
| 03:54.04 | slack101 | OpenVCP ? |
| 03:54.06 | `Nick | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:54.08 | Supaplex | aztec105: all your base man. |
| 03:54.09 | slack101 | Linux Vserver admin interface |
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| 03:54.20 | Guerin | !pal slack101 |
| 03:54.32 | slack101 | Guerin, yes ? |
| 03:54.51 | `Nick | Guerin: dude =\ how do i actualy make it work now? lol |
| 03:54.51 | techfury90 | GRR |
| 03:55.03 | Guerin | slack101: `admin interface' is code for `moron-proof UI to basic admin tasks' |
| 03:55.06 | aztec105 | been running debian for at least two versions now, woody and sarge and I have to say the installer for etch and the idiocy of removing pcmcia modules to install any kind of updates is absolutely ludicrous |
| 03:55.14 | Guerin | `Nick: depends on the card. What does lspci say? |
| 03:55.31 | nvz | Well I realized today I know very little about shopping for capacitors.. resistors I know quite well but theres a whole hell of a lot more to a capacitor than I ever realized. |
| 03:55.41 | Guerin | aztec105: there are good reasons to ask the question, and you can easily tell it not to bother. |
| 03:55.53 | `Nick | Guerin: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 03:55.59 | aztec105 | every time I try to run am update nic-modules get removed in the process... nic modules should never get completely removed without replaceing them with an updated version |
| 03:56.00 | Guerin | !broadcom |
| 03:56.00 | dpkg | it has been said that broadcom is a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
| 03:56.11 | Supaplex | non-free hardware is tEh SUCK |
| 03:56.25 | Guerin | aztec105: if you disagree with the package dependencies or suchlike, file a bug against the relevant package. |
| 03:56.27 | slack101 | Guerin, lol no its really a gui for customers etc |
| 03:56.38 | Guerin | slack101: did I say it was anything else? |
| 03:56.49 | Guerin | slack101: um, do you mean to say that you have CUSTOMERS? |
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| 03:57.11 | slack101 | Guerin, you dont understand how the software works |
| 03:57.36 | techfury90 | apparently i need the boot floppies to... woody |
| 03:57.40 | Guerin | slack101: that's a given. Doesn't stop me from ridiculing the very idea of an `admin interface' |
| 03:57.48 | Rusty1 | techfury90: you got a floppy on it, and one you can write to? |
| 03:58.05 | techfury90 | Rusty1: yep got a floppy drive, and a machine i can use to write em and a bunch of floppies |
| 03:58.16 | techfury90 | i just need to boot and make some config file changes in my bootloader |
| 03:58.27 | slack101 | Guerin, what do you consider cpanel ? |
| 03:58.35 | techfury90 | the quik installer crashed out cuz it claimed my box was unsupported |
| 03:58.42 | Guerin | slack101: an expensive joke. |
| 03:58.53 | Supaplex | slack101: I don't need to stinking gui. that's what managed support is for. ;) |
| 03:59.15 | slack101 | Supaplex, so customers couls easily start stop their vserver ? |
| 03:59.47 | Supaplex | slack101: sounds like an eazy CGI script+sudo to me. |
| 04:00.00 | Guerin | easy to pwn |
| 04:00.06 | techfury90 | basically the boot images supplied now are... blank HFS filesystem images. |
| 04:00.09 | slack101 | Supaplex, its a nice thing daemon written in C etc |
| 04:00.15 | slack101 | jus hard ot get to install |
| 04:00.34 | Guerin | slack101: and not in debian, so don't bother seeking support here |
| 04:00.39 | Supaplex | slack101: is it a debian package already? is their a debian supported/maintained one? |
| 04:00.39 | Guerin | it's proprietary, innit? |
| 04:00.51 | Supaplex | Guerin: there are vserver kernels |
| 04:00.58 | Guerin | seek help from the vendor, to whom you're presumable paid $zillions |
| 04:01.13 | Guerin | Supaplex: cpanel, I mean. Is that not what he's on about? |
| 04:01.14 | slack101 | Guerin, goto openvcp website and get the latest SVN its really nice |
| 04:01.15 | Supaplex | !+info linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 |
| 04:01.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:01.19 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-vserver-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.21+8 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 04:01.28 | Guerin | oh, my bad |
| 04:01.45 | aztec105 | greaseMonkey: maybe I should have said what microsoft programmer (being used in the most loose sense of the word programmer) got his fingers into the build process for Etch |
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| 04:02.00 | techfury90 | hrm |
| 04:02.01 | Supaplex | Guerin: he's talking about some web interface to util-vserver's "vserver" script busywork. |
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| 04:02.07 | techfury90 | i bet i can just connect this hd to my usb thing |
| 04:02.12 | techfury90 | and use a debian image in vmware player |
| 04:02.13 | Guerin | oh gods, it's true |
| 04:02.24 | Guerin | slack101 actually offers service to paying customers? |
| 04:02.29 | geo-rge | look at it this way... anymore, the only customers desirable for vserver technology are BIG customers who can supply their own sstaff who are supposed to start/stop/backup/restore/install |
| 04:02.38 | geo-rge | and program |
| 04:02.47 | slack101 | Guerin, im not taking any more rants from you |
| 04:03.03 | Guerin | slack101: huzzah! |
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| 04:03.16 | geo-rge | haza? |
| 04:03.23 | slack101 | a customer cannot Start Stop Restart a vserver from within |
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| 04:03.47 | Guerin | slack101: manifestly not. |
| 04:04.04 | geo-rge | what is the point of having a vserver as a small customer if you cannot script? |
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| 04:04.17 | SJrX | Anyone heard of PCMCIA or USB VGA cards? |
| 04:04.25 | Guerin | so it's not an overall cotrol-every-aspect-of-the-server panel? |
| 04:04.27 | geo-rge | nope... |
| 04:04.29 | techfury90 | didn't global village once make pcmcia ones |
| 04:04.30 | techfury90 | OH |
| 04:04.33 | Guerin | perhaps I have the wrong idea |
| 04:04.34 | techfury90 | ixmicro did for powerbooks |
| 04:04.46 | SJrX | hmmmm so not for PCs? |
| 04:04.52 | techfury90 | no idea about PCs |
| 04:05.00 | techfury90 | but there was the ixmicro one for powerbooks. i remember them |
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| 04:05.07 | Supaplex | SJrX: there are usb vga adapters |
| 04:05.28 | SJrX | hmmmm |
| 04:06.16 | geo-rge | in some pc laptops you can replace the video card |
| 04:06.25 | SJrX | nah I have a good video card |
| 04:06.32 | SJrX | I want a second monitor |
| 04:06.33 | krazykit | geo-rge, very very few. |
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| 04:07.17 | geo-rge | krazykit: wouldn't it be evident if a specific laptop model could have one of a number of video cards? |
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| 04:07.28 | Supaplex | considering the isa clock is ~11mhz, and 1-4mb vga cards used those, I would not expect alot of out a usb2 or cardbus vga adapter (when you compare to agp or better) |
| 04:07.46 | ndcc193 | question: anyway to disable rc.local at bootup (b4 it excutes?) - have jbosss starting off it and killing the system |
| 04:07.57 | Supaplex | matrox has some multidisplay laptop solutions, but I don't know how they play with linux. |
| 04:08.05 | SJrX | actually I'm on windows on this thing |
| 04:08.08 | SJrX | this was really off topic |
| 04:08.09 | geo-rge | rc.local? there is not one installed by debian |
| 04:08.13 | SJrX | just you guys are pretty smart :P |
| 04:08.13 | krazykit | geo-rge, probably, but chances are excellent he doesn't have one of those |
| 04:08.17 | Supaplex | !tell ndcc193 about single |
| 04:08.22 | cafuego | SJrX: liar |
| 04:08.28 | SJrX | well some of you |
| 04:08.30 | ndcc193 | tried single user |
| 04:08.33 | ndcc193 | it still executes |
| 04:08.45 | Supaplex | init=/bin/sh then |
| 04:08.57 | Rusty1 | techfury90: gtg , but from what i remember , if you can find a floppy installation disk, you should be able to chroot into your hd from it and change things - sorry can't help more |
| 04:09.06 | cafuego | don't confuse smart with crazy obsessive geek |
| 04:09.09 | Supaplex | ndcc193: install LOTS more ram ;) |
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| 04:09.40 | ndcc193 | danke, is a lab system but still good to know for future damage control |
| 04:10.15 | geo-rge | SJrX: just a moment... first you do an off-topic, then a troll (which announced the offtopicness) and then try to insult the intelligence of some people here? I'd say that's a bold move :P |
| 04:10.49 | SJrX | wait what was the troll? |
| 04:11.05 | stew | geo-rge: SJrX: please just drop it and move on |
| 04:11.14 | geo-rge | the middle part where you say "some of you were smart" |
| 04:11.46 | SJrX | I was responding to cafuego |
| 04:11.47 | geo-rge | and "I did this" |
| 04:11.53 | stew | drop it |
| 04:12.06 | stew | and btw, there is an rc.local installed by debian |
| 04:12.17 | geo-rge | since when? |
| 04:12.18 | `Nick | anyone ever used SAM Linux |
| 04:12.20 | `Nick | ? |
| 04:12.22 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: since etch. |
| 04:12.38 | geo-rge | what is it fired by |
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| 04:12.56 | stew | geo-rge: /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local |
| 04:12.56 | Supaplex | cat /etc/rc.local to find out. like wow and stuff. |
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| 04:13.25 | dondelelcaro | err, initscripts... |
| 04:13.33 | dondelelcaro | sysvinit (2.86.ds1-16) unstable; urgency=low <-- changelogs are your friend. |
| 04:13.37 | geo-rge | so there's an rc.local start/stop in /etc/init.d and the rc.local itself in /etc? |
| 04:14.27 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: yes. |
| 04:15.04 | geo-rge | oboy! can I add my favoriate feature to debian because I'm used to it from another dist too?! |
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| 04:15.23 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: if you're the package maintainer of the package in question, sure. |
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| 04:15.57 | dondelelcaro | you can always file a wishlist bug about it too... |
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| 04:16.22 | geo-rge | there probably should be a dpkg-reconfigure question that establishes or removes and unlinks it |
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| 04:17.12 | Supaplex | patches welcome. but consult with the maintiner(s) first. |
| 04:17.16 | dondelelcaro | why? the default doesn't do anything. Useless debconf questions are bad. |
| 04:17.28 | dondelelcaro | if you really don't like it, you can always remove it, and it won't come back. |
| 04:17.41 | Supaplex | exactly. |
| 04:17.52 | geo-rge | but what happens when I remove it and it gets fired? |
| 04:18.00 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: and what gets fired? |
| 04:18.12 | geo-rge | the rc.local |
| 04:18.23 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: reading the init.d script would be a good first start |
| 04:18.34 | Supaplex | geo-rge: the symlink pointing to it won't be executable anymore, and it'll be ignored. |
| 04:19.08 | Supaplex | geo-rge: man test, see -x |
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| 04:21.07 | dondelelcaro | course, in the case of symlinks, the question is what run-parts --test outputs |
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| 04:21.28 | geo-rge | would full dependency startups be possible with the current init? |
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| 04:21.43 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: not yet, no. |
| 04:21.49 | doolin | anyone have a guide for installing ati drivers? |
| 04:22.02 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: though there is a lot of work in that direction; should be possible shortly. |
| 04:22.04 | geo-rge | #ati possibly |
| 04:22.16 | dondelelcaro | !ati |
| 04:22.16 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 04:22.17 | jundai_ | If you have a wildcard vhost (e.g., ServerAlias *.mysite.com) and a more specific vhost (e.g., ServerName staging.mysite.com), and you're using a2ensite, how do you guarantee that the second one will be applied? |
| 04:22.45 | slack101 | Supaplex, you want to attempt to install openVCP and tell me how it goes :D |
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| 04:23.02 | Supaplex | slack101: real soon now |
| 04:23.14 | dondelelcaro | jundai_: you should have the wildcard listed last. |
| 04:23.49 | dondelelcaro | jundai_: so it should be something like zz_mysite_wildcard; (or just something that's always going to be after the more specific ones) |
| 04:24.00 | donaldo | what does "pic" mean in debian packages that have "-pic" in the name? they all mention boot floppies, and are predominantly stripped down versions of other tools/libraries. only one of them makes a mention of embedded platform development, which is what i'm looking for (i want gcc to target the PIC microcontroller) |
| 04:24.14 | jundai_ | so should you put them in the same site file in sites-available/ ? |
| 04:24.17 | geo-rge | position independent code |
| 04:24.19 | geo-rge | pic |
| 04:24.38 | geo-rge | it has to do with how the compiler generates code |
| 04:24.40 | dondelelcaro | jundai_: you could, or you could separate them |
| 04:24.43 | jundai_ | since sites-available/mysite.com gets loaded before sites-available/staging.mysite.com |
| 04:24.55 | dondelelcaro | jundai_: right, but sites-available/zz_mysite.com would get loaded after. |
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| 04:25.03 | jundai_ | I guess the alternative would be to have sites-available/01_staging.mysite.com |
| 04:25.17 | jundai_ | but maybe the same file is better, since they both relate to the same super domain |
| 04:25.25 | dondelelcaro | jundai_: yeah; it's really up to you |
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| 04:25.34 | jundai_ | thanks! |
| 04:25.58 | sebastian | 2 hours of sleep, thats all your body needs right? |
| 04:26.00 | dondelelcaro | I would by default put them in the same file; the only exception being if I was going to later s/staging.mysite.com/foothersite.com/ |
| 04:26.05 | geo-rge | jundai_: one approach to web service design and programming that has been tried, is to put the site under local version control |
| 04:26.34 | jundai_ | geo-rge, how would that help? |
| 04:26.46 | jundai_ | or rather, what exactly do you mean? |
| 04:27.04 | geo-rge | then you can alter the staging site pretty much any way you want, commit the good parts and checkout into production once it's well-tested |
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| 04:27.47 | jundai_ | right, but the problem here is that the staging site and the production site are on the same box |
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| 04:28.06 | geo-rge | what I mean is, each site (staging, dev, production) would have its own set of files |
| 04:28.15 | jundai_ | right, which is the case here |
| 04:28.19 | geo-rge | and be served from separate dirs |
| 04:28.27 | jundai_ | that's also the case |
| 04:28.55 | jundai_ | \/home/sites/mysite.com/prod /home/sites/mysite.com/staging |
| 04:29.10 | geo-rge | what the version control lets you do is house the differences between staging and production such that you can test staging without it affecting the production |
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| 04:29.52 | jundai_ | hmm, one thing I was trying to avoid doing is having version control _on_ the production box. |
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| 04:29.54 | geo-rge | once you're satisfied, you can update in the production site dir and restart the service |
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| 04:30.20 | geo-rge | in that case, that solution won't work for you... |
| 04:30.28 | jundai_ | especially because the deployment scripts are run on the directory tree before we up the files |
| 04:30.44 | jundai_ | but I appreciate the suggestion. It's the way much of the Rails community seems to favor at this point |
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| 04:32.08 | geo-rge | you -could- have a copy of the box elsewhere |
| 04:32.30 | geo-rge | it's also used in lots of openacs sites |
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| 04:33.15 | jundai_ | openacs? |
| 04:33.19 | geo-rge | what do the deployment scripts do? |
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| 04:34.04 | geo-rge | started out oracle-only as acs (arsdigita community system) |
| 04:34.30 | jundai_ | the deployment scripts handle the configurations, package up the necessary database scripts, remove all of the .svn, .DS_Store, etc. files, and tar up the files into the four directories that are deployed |
| 04:35.08 | geo-rge | so you're already using svn |
| 04:35.10 | jundai_ | then on the server it creates a directory for the release, and sets up the symlinks to make it current as well as to add in the shared files, such as user images |
| 04:35.42 | jundai_ | yeah, but only on our own boxes |
| 04:35.58 | geo-rge | that should be good enough... |
| 04:36.06 | paganjew | does anyone use a relational database to store personal information, like addressbooks, receipts etc.? |
| 04:36.09 | jundai_ | well, before I got here, there was no svn :-/ |
| 04:36.20 | slack101 | Supaplex, cant get it to work for me |
| 04:36.29 | slack101 | Supaplex, 4 hours still cant get it to work |
| 04:36.30 | paganjew | i was interested in using sqlite for this but i am really just trying to get suggestions |
| 04:36.44 | geo-rge | paganjew: probably at least one person does... unless no one does... |
| 04:37.03 | paganjew | geo-rge, tautology i like your strategy |
| 04:37.42 | geo-rge | unfortunately it's a tautology that says absolutely nothing :) |
| 04:37.58 | paganjew | geo-rge, absolutely :) |
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| 04:39.03 | geo-rge | usually databases have binding libs and other ways of binding such that data base results can be communicated directly to running programs |
| 04:39.36 | paganjew | geo-rge, see i was using vim and sort and then i realized that i probably want just a flat out relational database |
| 04:39.48 | paganjew | geo-rge, cut, etc. |
| 04:39.52 | paganjew | geo-rge, gnu tools |
| 04:40.25 | paganjew | geo-rge, not quite enough those shell script tools for the text i was generating so I was thinking the next step |
| 04:40.31 | geo-rge | well, if it's contact info + receipts (just those two for the purpose of the following) that would require a pair of tables |
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| 04:41.14 | geo-rge | so, that does fit the model |
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| 04:41.43 | paganjew | geo-rge, its not really i am a lowly student. i don't earn income from my contacts, sometimes free beer, in general my interest is to just create a database of the people i know and the info i want to keep on them and the same with receipts and other info, perhaps family info etc. |
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| 04:42.43 | Grenade | MangosDebian: i need some fruity assistance, please choose tonight to not be a night where you have a life |
| 04:42.58 | jeward_ | High, I'm setting up anonftpsync to mirror the amd64 and i386 architectures of etch and sarge. What all can I safely exclude? |
| 04:43.11 | paganjew | geo-rge, tables exactly, relational databases fit the bill, i just don't know if in practice it will be more difficult than trying to use gnu shell programs |
| 04:43.21 | Guerin | jeward_: only you can know. |
| 04:43.40 | geo-rge | pg might be overkill if limited to what you describe... on the other hand it might be worth your time to learn, because it has strong features that you can use to define how the data protection works |
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| 04:44.00 | paganjew | you pimpin pie i don't know why you changed your name |
| 04:44.08 | jeward_ | Guerin: Well, I want to be able to update sarge and etch machines of those two archs, but don't want to mirror lenny or that sort of thing. |
| 04:45.13 | jeward_ | Guerin: I guess it's better to err on the conservative side and add things if I need them later? |
| 04:45.33 | techfury90 | should the root device be set to your root partition or what? |
| 04:45.40 | Guerin | jeward_: well ... just get what you need |
| 04:45.52 | techfury90 | (trying to fix my bootloader config... i'm getting a kernel panic that hda4 doesn't exist... and i'm not sure if the initrd is loading) |
| 04:46.06 | Guerin | jeward_: i don't understand why you'rte asking *us* what *you* need, when only you know your requirements |
| 04:46.06 | jeward_ | Guerin: Thanks, I'll try to start with the most exclusions I think I can get away with. |
| 04:46.38 | jeward_ | Guerin: Well, I don't really understand what's where in the debian tree. |
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| 04:47.05 | jeward_ | Guerin: Thanks! |
| 04:47.41 | Grenade | i need some permissions/wu-ftpd help. I have this ftp user setup to not have the ability to login via ssh and that all works but he seems to have the ability to walk all over the system all the way to root. His directory is setup rwxr-xr-x both owned by root and group set as root. |
| 04:47.58 | unfo | i hate FTP |
| 04:48.18 | Guerin | *everyone* hates ftp |
| 04:48.20 | GreaseMonkey | you DO know what ftp also stands for... |
| 04:48.29 | GreaseMonkey | actually, sftp is quite nice |
| 04:48.29 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 04:48.29 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 04:48.31 | unfo | I personally prefer MediaWiki for storing images and MP3s. |
| 04:48.36 | Guerin | sftp isn't ftp |
| 04:48.36 | paganjew | unfo, what an interesting thing to hate |
| 04:48.52 | Grenade | i'm setting this up so ppl can upload web content |
| 04:48.53 | paganjew | wt about sftp? |
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| 04:49.20 | GreaseMonkey | get an sftp client, find the file, point it to where you want it, and get/put. |
| 04:49.24 | paganjew | unfo, of course they can |
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| 04:50.01 | unfo | i guess the problem with MediaWiki is there're really no folders, and there's no command-line upload tool I know of. |
| 04:50.18 | unfo | s/folders/directories |
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| 04:50.23 | Guerin | you might be able to hack up a line in curl |
| 04:50.28 | Grenade | GreaseMonkey: me ? |
| 04:50.30 | paganjew | unfo, the problem with mediawiki is that it is slow compared to a plain text file :) |
| 04:50.34 | Guerin | but yeah, it would probably hurt |
| 04:50.39 | simonrvn | yeh, that bugs me about it, no real sub-dirs or the like |
| 04:50.43 | unfo | IIRC there's a mountable wikipedia filesystem plugin for Linux though |
| 04:50.54 | unfo | paganjew, slow? |
| 04:50.55 | Guerin | then again, a wiki isn't exaclty a proper file storage system |
| 04:50.56 | simonrvn | Guerin: no doubt |
| 04:51.01 | unfo | Guerin, why not? |
| 04:51.03 | simonrvn | unfo: based on fuse |
| 04:51.15 | Guerin | unfo: because it's a set of fucking php (python? I forget) scripts |
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| 04:51.22 | unfo | called wikipediafs or something |
| 04:51.34 | simonrvn | there's probably 20-30 projects based on fuse, or more |
| 04:51.36 | unfo | Guerin, it's clean and well-debugged PHP. |
| 04:51.51 | Guerin | unfo: it's a contradiction in terms, you mean? |
| 04:51.56 | simonrvn | php, and it is well audited |
| 04:52.01 | Guerin | like the giant mouse |
| 04:52.11 | techfury90 | okay guys |
| 04:52.12 | Guerin | or the midget NBL guard |
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| 04:52.23 | unfo | Guerin, yes. It's perhaps the nicest OSS PHP codebase around. |
| 04:52.25 | techfury90 | why would the kernel be claiming hda4 doesn't exist |
| 04:52.30 | Guerin | i'd expect it to be., |
| 04:52.30 | techfury90 | when hda shows up before it |
| 04:52.35 | techfury90 | (as my root device) |
| 04:52.41 | techfury90 | is my ramdisk not loading or something? |
| 04:52.46 | Guerin | then again, if they stored it in a wiki who knows what sort of things might show up in it ;) |
| 04:52.46 | paganjew | sorry i know great inovation comes from thinking out side of the box but why try to make a pretty book do what a database should be doing -- wikipedia |
| 04:53.11 | paganjew | excuse me that wasn't a quote just a feeling i have on wikimedia |
| 04:53.11 | unfo | paganjew, what book? |
| 04:53.19 | paganjew | wikimedia == book |
| 04:53.24 | paganjew | not really |
| 04:53.28 | paganjew | but sort of |
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| 04:53.31 | Guerin | wikimedia = publisher |
| 04:53.46 | paganjew | with a particular product |
| 04:53.54 | `Nick | anyone know about setting up Broadcom wireless cards on a lappy? |
| 04:54.09 | paganjew | sure, what kind of driver? :) |
| 04:54.23 | `Nick | uh lemme see.... |
| 04:54.38 | unfo | all : is this OT?: I want to start contributing to one of the not-yet-OSS Sonic the Hedgehog 2-D engines. Project Mettrix is written in portable Watcom C/C++. The other uses DirectX; I haven't checked if it works on Wine yet. If I can make it work on Wine, is there any reason to favor the one which would *not* depend on wine to run? |
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| 04:55.04 | paganjew | unfo hillarious |
| 04:55.10 | unfo | paganjew, what? why? |
| 04:55.24 | unfo | is wine such a horrible runtime dependency? |
| 04:55.26 | paganjew | i don't play games i drink and program thats all personal preferences |
| 04:55.32 | `Nick | paganjew: Texas Instruments PIC1510 PC Cardbus Controller |
| 04:55.33 | unfo | and maybe it can be made to link with winelib |
| 04:55.39 | unfo | then there'd be no deps. |
| 04:55.39 | paganjew | not at all |
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| 04:56.00 | unfo | paganjew, i don't understand what you're saying. |
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| 04:57.08 | `Nick | paganjew: you know about the Texas Instruments PIC1510 PC Cardbus Controller and Broadcom wireless cards? ? |
| 04:57.09 | paganjew | Nick Im sorry im unfamiliar with it |
| 04:57.25 | `Nick | oh kk |
| 04:57.45 | paganjew | unfo, no worries, just enjoy I just don't like games |
| 04:57.52 | unfo | all : if a game is open sourced but it requires Wine in order to run, is the Wine requirement a bad thing? |
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| 04:57.57 | unfo | paganjew, ok :) |
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| 04:58.06 | Guerin | stupid hellstra |
| 04:58.15 | simonrvn | !wb Guerin |
| 04:58.15 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Guerin has returned! |
| 04:58.35 | simonrvn | wtf is a frabjous? |
| 04:58.45 | unfo | !google jabberwocky |
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| 04:59.03 | unfo | simonrvn, its from a famous nonsense poem. |
| 04:59.08 | helo_ | 40r4 or 4.0r4? |
| 04:59.17 | simonrvn | gotcha |
| 04:59.28 | paganjew | i like nonsense poems |
| 04:59.35 | simonrvn | helo_: wha? |
| 04:59.57 | simonrvn | i prefer EHLO |
| 05:00.04 | paganjew | charles dodgson |
| 05:00.17 | paganjew | alive through the looking glass etc. the founder of sorts |
| 05:00.24 | mosno | EBYE (enhanced goodbye, optionally with a happy ending) |
| 05:00.27 | paganjew | s/alive/alice |
| 05:00.34 | Guerin | the hunting of the jabberwock isn't nonsense, it's perfectly cromulent |
| 05:00.46 | paganjew | :) |
| 05:00.51 | paganjew | lol |
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| 05:01.42 | techfury90 | does anyone know why i would be getting a kernel panic about my root device being wrong when its there? |
| 05:01.48 | paganjew | so no one uses sqlite for personal use. |
| 05:01.55 | Guerin | techfury90: build your kernel properly |
| 05:01.58 | paganjew | ? |
| 05:02.05 | techfury90 | i'm using the stock one. |
| 05:02.12 | Guerin | !anyone use sqlite for personal use? |
| 05:02.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses sqlite for personal use, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:02.20 | paganjew | lol |
| 05:02.21 | Guerin | techfury90: oh. Sorry ;) |
| 05:02.26 | techfury90 | ;) |
| 05:02.43 | geo-rge | why can't mail servers be less formal? instead of HELO it shoudl say HIYA |
| 05:02.46 | Guerin | techfury90: what filesystem is /, and do you have a separate /boot? |
| 05:02.49 | paganjew | thats the answer i got for xmms2 and I use that so i don't think i will stop :) |
| 05:02.57 | techfury90 | Guerin: /dev/hda4, and yes, /boot is /dev/hda2 |
| 05:03.21 | Guerin | techfury90: and the root= option is set to hda4? |
| 05:03.31 | techfury90 | yup |
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| 05:03.43 | paganjew | techfury90, how many linux distributions do you have on your box? |
| 05:03.47 | techfury90 | one. |
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| 05:03.50 | paganjew | ? |
| 05:03.52 | paganjew | wow |
| 05:04.07 | techfury90 | (you can guess which ;)) |
| 05:04.08 | paganjew | techfury90, simple solution reinstall grub |
| 05:04.17 | paganjew | :) |
| 05:04.17 | techfury90 | guess what! this machine doesn't run grub! |
| 05:04.18 | paganjew | lol |
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| 05:04.20 | Supaplex | D E B I A N ! |
| 05:04.23 | paganjew | lilo? |
| 05:04.27 | techfury90 | quik |
| 05:04.29 | paganjew | ok |
| 05:04.33 | paganjew | i am not familiar |
| 05:04.35 | geo-rge | grubbyan |
| 05:04.37 | paganjew | but thanks for letting us know |
| 05:04.41 | techfury90 | i've gotten it to load the kernel and initrd |
| 05:04.45 | ferrum | hey, I'm having problems with a newly installed system: all the virtual consoles don't display properly (vertical lines are drawn). This also happens when shutting down, and the machine never turns off. |
| 05:04.49 | techfury90 | so those definitely load |
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| 05:05.47 | geo-rge | ferrum: does it say something like HALT or POWEROFF or something when you halt it? |
| 05:05.56 | Guerin | techfury90: i don't know quik. |
| 05:06.00 | ferrum | geo-rge, I can't read any output. |
| 05:06.06 | techfury90 | yeah i figured |
| 05:06.07 | paganjew | ferret, its a bad question because there are so many possibilities of why you are having problems, graphics card, etc. but it probably has to do with what you set for vga=? in your boot sequence |
| 05:06.15 | Guerin | techfury90: i take it there's some reason you can't use grub? |
| 05:06.21 | techfury90 | Guerin: its a PowerPC system |
| 05:06.30 | Guerin | that's usually the malfunction |
| 05:06.33 | techfury90 | PowerBook G3/Kanga |
| 05:06.33 | techfury90 | haha |
| 05:06.35 | techfury90 | well |
| 05:06.39 | techfury90 | who wants to run os 9? :P |
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| 05:06.46 | Guerin | oh, absolutely |
| 05:06.47 | paganjew | lol |
| 05:06.54 | ferrum | paganjew, it works properly upon boot, the problem only occurs after gdm (and X) load |
| 05:07.01 | paganjew | os 9 vs. debian :) |
| 05:07.11 | geo-rge | I'm wondering if he's using a frame buffer on startup |
| 05:07.20 | Guerin | techfury90: you could try #debianppc, see if there are still any retro freaks running 1990s hardware in there |
| 05:07.32 | techfury90 | haha |
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| 05:07.37 | Guerin | or ask the guy whose nick starts with s and ends in a bird |
| 05:07.49 | Guerin | i hear he's a ppc geek too |
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| 05:08.14 | techfury90 | right, but this seems to be some kind of generic problem that if anyone knew the cause of in grub, i could probably apply to quik |
| 05:08.20 | paganjew | truly, i get a p1 133mhz 25mg to work with debian yesterday for fun |
| 05:08.37 | paganjew | that was hard |
| 05:08.53 | paganjew | even vim runs slow |
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| 05:09.01 | Guerin | i had it running on a 486 dx2-66 with 24 until recently |
| 05:09.17 | paganjew | sorry to hear and awesome |
| 05:09.17 | Guerin | i thought I'd be clever and put a dx4-100 cpu in the slot and it melted down |
| 05:09.18 | geo-rge | paganjew: had just such a machine running as a gateway on a T1 for like 3 years |
| 05:09.20 | unfo | paganjew, vim-tiny? |
| 05:09.24 | techfury90 | paganjew: for kicks i once tried to install etch on a PS/2 Server 95 (pentium 66 with fpu bug) |
| 05:09.33 | paganjew | lol |
| 05:09.37 | paganjew | awesome |
| 05:09.38 | techfury90 | but the driver for my 3Com MCA ethernet card would kernel panic. |
| 05:09.49 | geo-rge | it wasn't masqing |
| 05:10.22 | paganjew | techfury90, from what you have said it is software related? |
| 05:10.31 | techfury90 | apparently |
| 05:10.32 | techfury90 | its like.. |
| 05:10.38 | techfury90 | the ramdisk isn't taking effect or something |
| 05:10.40 | paganjew | your boot agent |
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| 05:10.52 | paganjew | you really want it to work i would see specialists |
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| 05:11.29 | ferrum | paganjew, if the problem isn't my graphics card (it worked with many other distros) or VGA, and the problem only occurs after X starts, what could be causing it? |
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| 05:12.35 | Guerin | my latest pet hate: portable music player devices which don't sort based on filename |
| 05:12.49 | geo-rge | ferrum: guessing, I think the box is using a frame buffer that loads at boot in order to show a picture of tux while booting |
| 05:12.52 | Guerin | anything else is such a fucking STUPID system |
| 05:12.52 | Grant | Hey, having troubles with PPTP on Debian... When Connecting from XP > Deb it starts to auth and in the syslog Jul 6 15:02:59 srv1 pppd[8487]: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
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| 05:13.18 | Guerin | Grant: do you mean PTPP? |
| 05:13.39 | shpchp | how could I install tor on etch? |
| 05:13.51 | simonrvn | damn you guys talk too much :P |
| 05:13.56 | Grant | Yeah Poptop VPN server |
| 05:14.11 | Guerin | !tor |
| 05:14.11 | dpkg | somebody said tor was a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 05:14.20 | Guerin | mm |
| 05:14.29 | Grant | Guerin, are you able to assist? |
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| 05:14.40 | Grant | I believe i have the correct line in the chap-secrets.. |
| 05:15.06 | Guerin | !tor is also not in etch, for reasons described in the BTS |
| 05:15.06 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:15.13 | Guerin | Grant: i don't know anything about vpn, sorry |
| 05:15.24 | Grant | Guerin doesnt know something :P haha |
| 05:15.30 | Grant | nah you have been really helpful in the past |
| 05:15.31 | Guerin | ZOMG |
| 05:15.33 | Guerin | well |
| 05:15.34 | Grant | !beer Guerin |
| 05:15.38 | Grant | :) |
| 05:15.38 | Guerin | i can make something up if you prefer |
| 05:15.42 | Grant | lol |
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| 05:15.50 | shpchp | I know sid has tor... But I want to install it on etch has not lucky... |
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| 05:15.56 | Grant | You can have a break, get some one else to help me lol |
| 05:16.16 | Guerin | shpchp: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:16.23 | simonrvn | above or below the knee? |
| 05:17.12 | shpchp | ok I will try it... |
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| 05:17.33 | Grant | So anyone know anything about VPN (Poptop) ??? |
| 05:17.36 | Grant | I need some assistance.. |
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| 05:18.21 | Guerin | dpkg, tor =~ s,for reasons described in the BTS,see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian, |
| 05:18.21 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
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| 05:19.49 | lekvar | for eg an ordinary us english pc etch install, what's the diff between kernel keymap and "pc-style" anyway? |
| 05:19.51 | shpchp | Guerin, thanks |
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| 05:20.36 | qrck | kernel keymap is almost always qwerty |
| 05:20.38 | Guerin | lekvar: no idea |
| 05:20.42 | Guerin | lekvar: WIDHE |
| 05:20.47 | qrck | pc-style is configurable |
| 05:20.50 | simonrvn | Guerin: botsnack |
| 05:21.03 | Guerin | yummeh |
| 05:21.06 | qrck | i.e. you can switch to qwertz for example |
| 05:21.22 | simonrvn | Guerin: rendang |
| 05:21.43 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 05:22.13 | lekvar | xterms and such never seem to behave like the console. i wondered if it was related. |
| 05:22.31 | lekvar | like for emacs-like alt combos |
| 05:22.42 | Guerin | no, that's just xterm being stupid |
| 05:23.53 | helo_ | i need to reinstall /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 05:23.55 | helo_ | what package? |
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| 05:37.03 | techfury90 | back to crapos 8.6 on this G3 |
| 05:38.42 | Guerin | !lose techfury90 |
| 05:38.42 | dpkg | techfury90: You Lose. |
| 05:38.49 | Guerin | jobs wins |
| 05:38.54 | techfury90 | unfortunately |
| 05:38.59 | techfury90 | i might just end up selling it off |
| 05:39.01 | techfury90 | i barely ever use it |
| 05:40.19 | streuner | Guerin: What do you think about iphone? |
| 05:40.29 | techfury90 | ...or |
| 05:40.33 | techfury90 | i might end up trying bootx instead |
| 05:40.43 | techfury90 | (i didn't want to have a mac os partition around) |
| 05:41.02 | Guerin | streuner: overpriced locked-in shite from the jobster |
| 05:41.10 | techfury90 | amen. |
| 05:41.26 | Guerin | streuner: but it's a good thing because, like the iPod, it will spawn hundreds of mostly higher-quality and cheaper clones |
| 05:42.34 | streuner | Guerin: well, iphone is prolly good for US market, but has many disadvantages for europe (i.e. no UTMS) |
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| 05:43.12 | streuner | Guerin: only usuable with AT&T... |
| 05:43.33 | techfury90 | i <3 my AT&T UMTS service. |
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| 05:46.37 | Guerin | streuner: there's no technological reason a phone should be locked into one carrier |
| 05:46.44 | streuner | techfury90: so AT&T supports UMTS? |
| 05:46.57 | Guerin | it's blatant, cynical, anti-competitive profit-gouging |
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| 05:48.16 | techfury90 | yep. i've got a Samsung phone on it |
| 05:48.20 | techfury90 | its available in my area |
| 05:48.28 | karsten | Guerin: Damnit, they're stealing my best ideas again. |
| 05:48.41 | Gigantic | *muahaha |
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| 05:49.22 | lekvar | can swap be lvm logical or does it have to be a physical partition? |
| 05:49.29 | techfury90 | lvm logical |
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| 05:49.38 | techfury90 | done it many times |
| 05:49.45 | techfury90 | heck it can be a file |
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| 05:49.54 | karsten | lekvar: Swap can be a file or NFS FWIW. |
| 05:50.27 | lekvar | is there a performance hit using a logical? |
| 05:50.36 | lekvar | what am i saying |
| 05:50.47 | lekvar | if you hit swap there's no such thing as performance anyhow :) |
| 05:50.52 | karsten | lekvar: If you're swapping, yes, there's a performance hit. |
| 05:50.53 | Gigantic | or an encrypted loop in a LVM on RAID |
| 05:51.09 | karsten | Swap over Carrier Pidgeon! |
| 05:51.16 | Guerin | lekvar: i wish everyone who frets about the speed of their swap was as wasy to convince as you |
| 05:51.46 | Gigantic | the swap performance depend on a lot of things but usually there's no big beneffit unless you have raid on them |
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| 05:52.11 | Gigantic | ram is the only performance booster |
| 05:52.19 | lekvar | setting up servers is so much easier than a single personal system :) |
| 05:52.55 | karsten | lekvar: The primary advantage of swap is: 1. enabling you to make more effective use of real memory by swapping out pages which aren't needed and 2. allowing the kernel to balance its VM system more effectively. Writing stuff out to swap *once* (or infrequently) is OK. Constantly hitting swap indicates a problem of either insufficient real memory, inefficiently written software, or both. |
| 05:53.18 | lekvar | (nods) |
| 05:53.42 | Gigantic | or using 64bits |
| 05:53.46 | Gigantic | :p |
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| 05:54.09 | lekvar | yea i'm doing the install to try out 64 bit |
| 05:54.11 | geo-rge | or 75kibbles |
| 05:54.22 | Guerin | keeps ya regular |
| 05:54.24 | lekvar | not that it think it'll make a toot of difference |
| 05:54.49 | Gigantic | lekvar: If you'll do 64, you better get at least 2GB ram |
| 05:55.17 | lekvar | i've got 4 |
| 05:55.20 | lekvar | it's a new system |
| 05:55.26 | Gigantic | ah that's great then |
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| 05:56.01 | Gigantic | lekvar: with default kernel? |
| 05:56.33 | Gigantic | ah... 64... forget it |
| 05:57.02 | karsten | lekvar: Disk == ~1000x slower than RAM. It's also about 200x cheaper. That's your tradeoff. |
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| 06:15.18 | xjkx | I use tightvncserver, when i use vncviewer on machine #1, its ok, but i usually go around and i lock my screen with a password, when i go to machine #2, i connect the server ok, but then i disconnect machine #1, cant i have two machines connected to the same server? |
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| 06:18.14 | fireba11 | xjkx: you need to tell your VNC client to allow shared connections |
| 06:18.25 | fireba11 | xjkx: that's not the default |
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| 06:19.21 | xjkx | Firestarter-: thanks |
| 06:19.27 | xjkx | -alwaysshared option :) |
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| 06:20.09 | xjkx | I'd like to run tightvncserver on a "chrooted system" do i have to copy the whole system to a folder? |
| 06:20.20 | xjkx | and so chroot it? |
| 06:21.16 | vorpal | xjkx: at least the parts you will need |
| 06:21.43 | Guerin | xjkx: ptrtty daft idea |
| 06:21.57 | Guerin | i don't know why you'd bother chrooting it |
| 06:22.03 | Guerin | you're just making work for yourself |
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| 06:22.30 | vorpal | Guerin: it's a valid question |
| 06:22.44 | Guerin | that doesn't mean it's worth doing |
| 06:23.05 | lekvar | hmm installer only offering lilo. lemme guess, root as a logical volume = no grub |
| 06:23.28 | vorpal | Guerin: i think you will seeing more of this type of thing in the future, although it will probably be done through VM |
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| 06:23.42 | stew | lekvar: yes |
| 06:23.55 | Guerin | vorpal: in a vm i can understand |
| 06:23.57 | stew | lekvar: if you move /boot outside of the lvm you can use grub |
| 06:24.26 | lekvar | (nods) just caught that. i forgot to give it my /boot partition. |
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| 06:24.42 | Guerin | vorpal: it's still often a waste of disk space and effort, but it has other benefits - like being able to runa genuinely different OS. A chroot doesn't really. |
| 06:24.46 | lekvar | hooray for simple, easily remedied mistakes |
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| 06:25.28 | Grant | Could some one please assist with this error when using PPTP - "GRE: Bad checksum from pppd." |
| 06:25.47 | vorpal | Guerin: i recall reading about running services in chroot "jails" as a form of security |
| 06:26.14 | Guerin | vorpal: they can be more secure, in some cases. But typically crypto is not one such case. |
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| 06:30.20 | Grant | Guerin, Do you know of any good channels helpful with VPN? |
| 06:30.25 | Grant | ill beer you ;) |
| 06:30.26 | Grant | lol |
| 06:30.45 | shpchp | $ gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 94C09C7F |
| 06:30.46 | shpchp | gpg: requesting key 94C09C7F from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net |
| 06:30.48 | Guerin | i know as little as possible about vpns |
| 06:30.55 | Grant | haha naw damn |
| 06:30.56 | Grant | lol |
| 06:31.01 | Grant | man im stuck on this one stupid GRE error |
| 06:31.05 | Grant | once ig et passed this im sweet |
| 06:31.08 | Halleck | So I got really, really close to installing Debian on an 80386 with 4mb ram :) |
| 06:31.08 | Guerin | i installed openvpn on my server because a mate wants to be able to dodge proxies while overseas |
| 06:31.12 | Guerin | that's all I know |
| 06:31.23 | Grant | lol |
| 06:31.29 | Guerin | Halleck: nifty. |
| 06:31.43 | shpchp | gpgkeys: key 94C09C7F not found on keyserver |
| 06:31.48 | shpchp | how to fix it? |
| 06:31.53 | Guerin | shpchp: choose another key |
| 06:31.57 | fireba11 | Guerin : openVPN is quite neat, am using it here |
| 06:32.09 | shpchp | Guerin, where to find another key? |
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| 06:32.41 | shpchp | http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian only told me use this key... |
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| 06:33.16 | shpchp | how to find another key? |
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| 06:34.59 | Guerin | shpchp: perhaps it's wrong. Ask in #tor |
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| 06:35.33 | stew | shpchp: that key comes from a debian developer, so its in the debian-keyring |
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| 06:35.57 | shpchp | what is debian-keyring? |
| 06:36.17 | stew | shpchp: the keyring with all of the gpg keys that are allowed to upload to debian |
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| 06:36.26 | Guerin | shpchp: a package, the description of wehich you can read with aptitude show |
| 06:36.28 | stew | shpchp: aptitude install debian-keyring ; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export 94C09C7F | apt-key add - |
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| 06:37.19 | shpchp | stew, thanks. I will try it |
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| 06:48.41 | rgrant | hi, i have a tarfile of my old /var/lib/dpkg. can i extract info on what packages i have manually installed since then? |
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| 06:49.32 | xp_prg | I beleive I am on debian etch, how can I know for sure? |
| 06:50.19 | eald | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:51.18 | xp_prg | 3.1 |
| 06:51.27 | xp_prg | is that debian etch? |
| 06:52.20 | stew | xp_prg: no, that is sarge aka oldstable |
| 06:52.49 | xp_prg | oops, I am trying to get postgres 8.2.4 on this debian installation, what is the easiest way to do that? |
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| 06:53.31 | Guerin | xp_prg: what branch of debian? |
| 06:53.36 | Guerin | muh |
| 06:53.43 | Guerin | stupid question |
| 06:53.57 | Guerin | !info postgresql etch |
| 06:54.01 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.22 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 06:54.08 | Guerin | !info postgresql sid |
| 06:54.11 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database (latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.2.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 163 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 06:54.31 | Guerin | xp_prg: upgrade to etch, then /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:54.56 | xp_prg | oh man upgrading to etch sounds too hard |
| 06:55.05 | Guerin | not at all |
| 06:55.08 | xp_prg | maybe I will just compile it from source |
| 06:55.12 | Guerin | just make sure you're running a 2.6 kernel |
| 06:55.24 | Guerin | xp_prg: if you do so, you get to keep the pieces. |
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| 06:55.34 | stew | xp_prg: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 06:56.43 | stew | xp_prg: etch has 8.1 but not 8.2 |
| 06:57.05 | xp_prg | ya I think I am just going to compile it |
| 06:57.18 | Guerin | that's not a long-term plan |
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| 06:57.33 | Guerin | but good luck anyway; just don't bother asking us for help |
| 06:57.42 | xp_prg | ok |
| 06:57.43 | stew | xp_prg: if you are going to compile it, we'd recommend recompiling the debian package: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 06:58.25 | Guerin | the thing to watch is that some things just need newer lib versions than you'll have on sarge |
| 06:58.26 | xp_prg | stew I don't see your messages because I am not authenticated |
| 06:58.35 | stew | xp_prg: what version of libc6 does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 06:58.48 | stew | !tell xp_prg about simple sid backport |
| 06:58.55 | stew | !tell xp_prg about sarge->etch |
| 06:59.04 | xp_prg | libc6: |
| 06:59.04 | xp_prg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.04 | xp_prg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.32 | `v0id | Is it possible to move around in the stuff, in the "Application" menu? I hope you understands what I mean |
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| 06:59.45 | stew | xp_prg: that means you are missing security updates. do you have a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 07:00.43 | xp_prg | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 07:01.34 | stew | xp_prg: then its been a while since you've actually updated, and your system likely has some security issues. note also that security support for sarge will only last for a few more months, so you should upgrade to etch sometime soonish |
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| 07:01.55 | xp_prg | stew this is very good advice, thanks |
| 07:02.27 | Guerin | be afraid of its lack |
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| 07:02.57 | xp_prg | I am on backport.org stew, trying to make heads or tails of if I can get postgres on my sarge or not, can't figure it out |
| 07:02.59 | deadlyninja | libexpat can be built with wide character support, it is called libexpatw. debian package libexpat does not contain libexpatw. i dont want files all over the place that arent part of a package so i dont want to build it and just let it throw files everywhere, what is the proper way to proceed? |
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| 07:03.26 | xp_prg | heh |
| 07:03.44 | xp_prg | how do I upgrade my security pathes exactly? |
| 07:03.58 | stew | xp_prg: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
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| 07:04.17 | xp_prg | aptitude, I am used to using apt, is that the same? |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | deadlyninja: download the source package, edit the debian/rules file to change the config options you want, and change the prefix env variable to /usr/local |
| 07:04.46 | Guerin | deadlyninja: then run debian/rules binary in the source tree |
| 07:04.53 | stew | xp_prg: you can use apt-get instead of aptitude, but aptitude is recommended over apt-get these days, mostly for its superior ability to handle dependencies |
| 07:05.14 | xp_prg | how do I upgrade/get aptitude? |
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| 07:05.17 | Guerin | deadlyninja: if you prefer to use the upstream source, you can use checkinstall to build a debian package of it |
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| 07:05.29 | stew | xp_prg: apt-get install aptitude |
| 07:06.02 | techfury90 | anyone got the default source line for etch? |
| 07:06.32 | techfury90 | dpkg probably knows ;) |
| 07:06.36 | Guerin | techfury90: there is no default line |
| 07:06.40 | Guerin | techfury90: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 07:07.16 | techfury90 | that doesn't really help me... i'm just looking for what the installer puts in by default |
| 07:07.29 | Guerin | it doesn't |
| 07:07.36 | Guerin | it gives you options, from which you choose |
| 07:07.56 | Guerin | those options are mostly the same as in the list mentioned above |
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| 07:07.58 | techfury90 | oh i just accept the us mirror it gives you |
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| 07:08.07 | Guerin | techfury90: so go and look up the us mirror |
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| 07:08.17 | deadlyninja | Guerin, the source package would be the file from sourceforge or would it be some sort of file hosted by debian somewhere that already has the .deb producing scripts? |
| 07:08.30 | Guerin | deadlyninja: that would be the result of apt-get source packagename |
| 07:08.31 | techfury90 | got it. but i don't remember what else goes in there along with the mirror url |
| 07:08.37 | dotz | !etch |
| 07:08.38 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 07:08.40 | stew | techfury90: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 07:08.52 | techfury90 | gotcha! |
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| 07:09.08 | deadlyninja | Guerin, well i downloaded the latest source but it doesnt seem to have any debian specific files in it |
| 07:09.20 | Guerin | deadlyninja: which source; from upstream? |
| 07:09.26 | Guerin | (sourceforge) |
| 07:09.44 | stew | deadlyninja: /msg dpkg source |
| 07:10.01 | deadlyninja | Guerin, i dont know what 'upstream' is |
| 07:10.16 | deadlyninja | Guerin, i come from gentoo and dont know what the hell im doing |
| 07:10.24 | stew | deadlyninja: upstream is the place that the debian maintainer downloads the source before he uploads it to debian |
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| 07:12.12 | deadlyninja | so "apt-get source {packagename}" would grab the 'upstream' version ? |
| 07:12.42 | geo-rge | upstream is therefore many places |
| 07:13.00 | stew | deadlyninja: it grabs both the upstream version and the debian patches, unzips the debian version and applies the debian patches (which includes the build instructions for building a .deb out of the source) |
| 07:13.00 | dotz | !woody |
| 07:13.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 07:13.13 | stew | dotz: you can /msg the bot directly |
| 07:13.50 | stew | deadlyninja: err "unzips the debian version" should be "unzips the upstream version" |
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| 07:14.09 | geo-rge | it could be... the source package consists of three files, one of which is the upstream tarball, another is a diff that represents the debian maint's changes to the content of that tarball |
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| 07:15.51 | Bogus8 | anyone in here use nget? |
| 07:15.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:16.05 | Guerin | i step away and am suddenly in demand |
| 07:16.09 | Bogus8 | I am trying to download headers from a group and it keeps saying "killed" and stopping nget |
| 07:16.12 | Guerin | !anyone use nget? |
| 07:16.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses nget, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:16.34 | Bogus8 | Guerin: hardy har har... it is a rare app :p |
| 07:16.47 | Bogus8 | I wasn't ONLY asking that :p |
| 07:16.51 | Guerin | Bogus8: your second statement is good and useful :) |
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| 07:16.56 | geo-rge | then be sicco |
| 07:16.59 | Bogus8 | right, I was just prefacing it |
| 07:17.06 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 07:17.07 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 07:17.25 | geo-rge | supspecially complete :) |
| 07:17.29 | Guerin | Bogus8: other clients work? |
| 07:17.40 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I've used other clients in the past |
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| 07:17.48 | Bogus8 | I get about 35-40% |
| 07:17.49 | Guerin | try one now, to see whether it's the server. |
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| 07:17.56 | Guerin | and try another server, if you can. |
| 07:18.02 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I don't have those apps installed :( |
| 07:18.03 | Guerin | variable control is king |
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| 07:18.06 | Bogus8 | I could remove that server from my list I guess |
| 07:18.39 | Guerin | Bogus8: at the moment it's inconclusive whether nget or the server or something else is causing problems. You need to narrow that down. |
| 07:18.42 | Bogus8 | is there a command line to exclude that server's id? I looked but didn't see anything |
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| 07:18.57 | Guerin | i've not used a nntp client since about 1999 |
| 07:18.58 | Bogus8 | I'm looking at trying a different server now :p |
| 07:19.14 | geo-rge | what does it look like?! |
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| 07:19.27 | Bogus8 | what does what look like? nget? |
| 07:19.41 | Bogus8 | nget is the newsgroup equivilent of wget |
| 07:19.48 | geo-rge | "I'm looking at trying a different server now :p" |
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| 07:21.36 | deadlyninja | i love sabnzbd for newsgroups |
| 07:21.50 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: haha.. I meant I was hoping someone had a command line option to exclude my first server (id=1) versus commenting it out in the config and deleting all my cache I already have |
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| 07:22.42 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: that can be used on a headless system with no X ?' |
| 07:22.57 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, its html based, so yes with lynx |
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| 07:23.26 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: that would be great... I have GUI's on machines, just not the one I want to use for this task |
| 07:23.39 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you have to have .nzb files, i get them from binsearch.info |
| 07:24.23 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, for instance, search for x264 for hidef stuff, then drop the nzb files off onto sabnzbd, it pars them, extracts them and deletes the rars if you so desire |
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| 07:24.59 | deadlyninja | it also works with newzbin.com accounts, but i dont see the point of paying money for newsgroup indexing |
| 07:25.01 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: so you have to use this search engine to find the binary you want to get and then get the nbz for that particular binary? |
| 07:25.25 | Bogus8 | I've never messed with nzb files |
| 07:25.29 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, the search engine generates an xml file telling the client (sabnzbd) what it needs to download to assemble the entire binary |
| 07:25.51 | Guerin | i'm in favour of anything which will automatically delete rars |
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| 07:26.15 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I think I'm understanding it |
| 07:26.15 | deadlyninja | Guerin, im not sure how much trouble it would be to set up in debian, i did it in gentoo |
| 07:26.29 | deadlyninja | Guerin, there might be a package out there for it |
| 07:26.30 | Guerin | naw, I don't need usenet |
| 07:26.46 | Guerin | just a comment on my passionate hatred for rar as a distribution format |
| 07:26.57 | deadlyninja | well with sabnzbd you never have to see a rar |
| 07:27.02 | deadlyninja | thats why i love that thing |
| 07:27.15 | Bogus8 | Guerin: why don't you like rar? |
| 07:27.25 | deadlyninja | its written in python and nearly bugfree, im actually amazed at how well it works |
| 07:27.35 | Bogus8 | coming from windows it's a god send ;) |
| 07:28.01 | Guerin | Bogus8: because it's mostly pointless in this day and age. Sure, in 1997 it was cool. |
| 07:28.02 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: it seems like binsearch is missing some files that are availible via other methods |
| 07:28.08 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, its a pain in the ass^2 to set up manually, so pray for a package |
| 07:28.10 | solar_ant | hey all ! |
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| 07:28.18 | Guerin | Bogus8: proper spanning tools are available for windows |
| 07:28.18 | solar_ant | I have the ssh key for a server |
| 07:28.25 | solar_ant | how do i add it to my ssh client ? |
| 07:28.25 | Guerin | solar_ant: what is it? |
| 07:28.30 | Bogus8 | Guerin: and the downside to rar? |
| 07:28.34 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, well the only other place i know of that generates .nzb is newzbin, and they are a pay service |
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| 07:28.49 | solar_ant | Guerin: secret :) |
| 07:29.26 | Guerin | Bogus8: 1. proprietary 2. breaks if one archive is damaged 3. all the software is retarded (see 1) 4. broken compatibility between versions 5. there are superior tools |
| 07:29.40 | Guerin | Bogus8: 6. why the fuck should I have to archive a file in 2007? |
| 07:30.23 | Bogus8 | Guerin: agreed about the broken compatibility... there are par files... well, in some circles it makes sense to archive |
| 07:30.56 | Guerin | Bogus8: for use, sure. But not for distribution. |
| 07:31.05 | deadlyninja | Guerin, there is a free implentation of rar extraction, par2 corrects damaged files, archive files for distribution |
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| 07:31.24 | Guerin | deadlyninja: free as in beer; not free software. Par is indeed awesome, but it's not rar. |
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| 07:31.42 | deadlyninja | Guerin, what archive formats have built int parity information? |
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| 07:31.59 | Guerin | and you can't be serious about distribution in spanned archives, in this day and age of bittorrent and rsync, which can maintain integrity on the fly. |
| 07:31.59 | Bogus8 | Guerin: why not for distro... keeps you from having to redownload a corrupt download... just that part |
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| 07:32.16 | Guerin | deadlyninja: none, which is why they're fucking stupid. |
| 07:32.20 | Bogus8 | Guerin: not every one uses bittorrents |
| 07:32.25 | Guerin | Bogus8: see above re: rsync and bittorrent. |
| 07:32.30 | deadlyninja | Guerin, free as in speech unrar: http://freshmeat.net/projects/unrar/ |
| 07:32.32 | Guerin | Bogus8: and there's no good reason for that. |
| 07:32.56 | Guerin | deadlyninja: which won't unrar most archives in current use. |
| 07:32.56 | Bogus8 | Guerin: newsgroups are still a source for lots of stuff... no torrenting there |
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| 07:33.05 | revil | where (%$#^#$) could I set up the networking parameters in debian? I want to define the static IPs and DNS names of certain interfaces. Where should the configuration lie? |
| 07:33.08 | Guerin | Bogus8: yes, and again: for no reason other than inertia. |
| 07:33.17 | Guerin | revil: man interfaces |
| 07:33.18 | cydork | revil: man interfaces |
| 07:33.42 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I agree, I wish they would all move to torrents but it's not... and somethings are on news servers first or only there |
| 07:33.53 | Guerin | nntp is an incredibly inefficient way to distribute binaries |
| 07:34.02 | Bogus8 | especially rare more specific items |
| 07:34.10 | Bogus8 | torrents work better for really popular stuf |
| 07:34.11 | Bogus8 | f |
| 07:34.11 | deadlyninja | i like newsgroups because you can download gigs of stuff without feeling guilty about not uploading to peers |
| 07:34.12 | Guerin | it's not quite as bad as email, but it's close |
| 07:34.29 | Guerin | deadlyninja: because you pay. There are bittorrent sites like that. |
| 07:34.35 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: that and easier to request rare things |
| 07:34.49 | deadlyninja | Guerin, who pays what? i dont get that |
| 07:34.59 | deadlyninja | Guerin, i dont pay for newsgroups |
| 07:35.08 | stew | Bogus8: you should tell anyone that is distributing stuff via newsgroups to get with the 21st century and put them on a website. newsgroups are a silly way to distribute software |
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| 07:35.30 | Guerin | deadlyninja: so SOMEONE pays, but it's not you. Nice. You're as much of a leech as if you were using bittorrent without uploading. |
| 07:35.36 | Bogus8 | stew: I think we all know you can't put some stuff on websites ;) |
| 07:35.51 | Guerin | Bogus8: ah, so you're in it for the kiddie pr0n .., classy ;) |
| 07:35.55 | Bogus8 | Guerin: newservers are paying... that's their function |
| 07:36.01 | deadlyninja | Guerin, my isp provides newsgroups as part of the package |
| 07:36.12 | Bogus8 | Guerin: ha.... umm, not quite but ok ;) |
| 07:36.32 | Bogus8 | Guerin: you're ok in my book :p |
| 07:36.43 | Guerin | deadlyninja: wow, ISPs still do that? Are they not afraid of lawsuits? |
| 07:36.46 | deadlyninja | newsgroups are the only place you get can reliably get 1080 and 720 hidef content |
| 07:36.59 | deadlyninja | Guerin, its a pretty major isp, cox.net |
| 07:37.14 | Guerin | deadlyninja: is that supposed to mean they're immunte to lawyers? |
| 07:37.40 | deadlyninja | Guerin, they arent actually liable as far as i know |
| 07:37.51 | Guerin | i don't see how that works |
| 07:37.54 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 07:37.57 | Guerin | safe harbour? |
| 07:37.57 | deadlyninja | Guerin, is your isp liable when you use bittorrent? |
| 07:38.09 | Guerin | deadlyninja: if they fail to give up user info, sure |
| 07:38.23 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: cox here also... which server do you find better east or west |
| 07:38.24 | Guerin | deadlyninja: (though not tested in my country) |
| 07:38.27 | deadlyninja | Guerin, well i guess its the same, but there is no way for riaa/mpaa to track you |
| 07:38.29 | Bogus8 | I know one of them is better but I forget |
| 07:38.32 | stew | if you guys are talking about downloading illegal content, take it elsewhere |
| 07:38.35 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i use both servers |
| 07:38.38 | Bogus8 | I'm having issues with nget hanging using the east |
| 07:38.51 | deadlyninja | sabnzbd can use as many servers as you can find |
| 07:38.54 | Guerin | stew: illegal? NEVAR! All the binaries on usenet are 100% legit! |
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| 07:39.14 | techfury90 | only in nebraska. |
| 07:39.18 | Bogus8 | lol |
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| 07:40.26 | deadlyninja | hey i saw a legitimate file on newsgroups once |
| 07:40.32 | Guerin | deadlyninja: fibber |
| 07:40.37 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: no package for sabnzbd :( |
| 07:41.28 | Bogus8 | there is some real scary legit amatuer p0rn on there *eek* |
| 07:41.54 | deadlyninja | oh yeah thats true |
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| 07:42.28 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: so, how bad is config'ing this thing from source? |
| 07:42.42 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, geeze it might be tough |
| 07:43.00 | deadlyninja | heres a small guide you need a bunch of dependencies, that might be enough http://www.rutschle.net/blog/archives/2006/08/17/T22_55_16/ |
| 07:44.02 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, if you are new to debian or linux at all i suggest you stop now and save yourself a lot of time. because that program is really hard to get working |
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| 07:44.31 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: umm, not TOO new... but always learning |
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| 07:45.00 | Bogus8 | I've written a couple of simple scripts and such... got a raid 5 set up on my fileserver |
| 07:45.17 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i spent many hours installing that thing on gentoo, i ended up writing my own portage file (i guess thats equivalent to a .deb in debian) |
| 07:45.20 | zapw | what is The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: , when i run aptitude , with --without-recommends |
| 07:45.27 | Bogus8 | I've hammered my way through a few task... much of the credit goes to guys like Guerin for all their help ;) |
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| 07:46.08 | Zap-W | how can it tell if they are unused or not |
| 07:46.16 | speeves | Zap-W: aptitude is going to remove those packages |
| 07:46.35 | Zap-W | speeves, i figured that much |
| 07:47.17 | Guerin | well ... what did you not figure? |
| 07:47.17 | speeves | Zap-W: sorry, it wasn't as tongue-in-cheek as it sounded |
| 07:47.17 | stew | Zap-W: aptitude tracks which packages you specifically request to be installed and which are automatically installed in order to satisfy dependencies, when an automatically installed package no longer has anything depending on it, it is removed |
| 07:47.57 | geo-rge | Bogus8: and the rest to Bogus8 for his research? |
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| 07:48.30 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I take some credit in that |
| 07:48.31 | Guerin | hm, which one is it |
| 07:48.39 | Guerin | !kgkgkgkgkgkg |
| 07:48.40 | dpkg | kgkgkgkgkgkg is, like, Watch out! Zap-W is thinking! |
| 07:48.45 | Guerin | heh, there it is |
| 07:48.46 | Bogus8 | I don't come in here screaming help unless I'm at witts end usually |
| 07:48.47 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, if you are going to attempt to install it, ill hang around a while and i might be of some use, you could probably use checkinstall it seems kind of cool |
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| 07:49.03 | geo-rge | Bogus8: the goal here is to increase your role in doing that |
| 07:49.07 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, there is an ubuntu graphical installer for sabnzbd, but it apparently doesnt work on debian |
| 07:49.46 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I've always attempted things myself first... I'm an IT guy for a living so I need to learn what I do and not just have other do it for me... doesn't make me very good and since I'm self contract I need to be good ;) |
| 07:50.02 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I'm installing python and such from that page now |
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| 07:50.41 | geo-rge | damn, I need sleep... I misread that as deadlynipple |
| 07:50.55 | speeves | geo-rge: go to sleep... ;) |
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| 07:51.43 | Zap-W | stew, how do i tell it not to install recommendations only for the package i am installing now , and not to remove recommendations of other packages i installed some other time |
| 07:51.52 | deadlyninja | geo-rge, at least nippleninja would have some alliteration |
| 07:52.05 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: there is a typo on that page... it's python-cherrypy <- Y not U |
| 07:52.38 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: see, I figured out that typo all by myself :p |
| 07:52.47 | stew | Zap-W: aptitude install --without-recommends packagename |
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| 07:53.48 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, also try to install unrar, unzip and par2cmdline |
| 07:53.58 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: haha, doing so now |
| 07:54.10 | Zap-W | stew, it still prompts that it will remove packages that were auto installed with xfce |
| 07:54.21 | Zap-W | stew, and i am installing some other package now not xfce |
| 07:54.28 | Zap-W | aptitude install --without-recommends kdebase |
| 07:54.49 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: is par2 and par2cmdline different? |
| 07:54.54 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, in debian the package is probably par2 not par2cmdline |
| 07:55.03 | deadlyninja | thats what it was called in gentoo |
| 07:55.03 | Bogus8 | there is no package for par2cmdline but there is a frontend for par2 |
| 07:55.09 | deadlyninja | no just install par2 |
| 07:55.10 | Bogus8 | leading me to beleive that it's cli anyway |
| 07:55.24 | stew | Zap-W: i'm guessing "aptitude install kdebase" would also try to uninstall them |
| 07:55.37 | stew | Zap-W: if you don't want them to be removed, then you can 'unmarkauto' those packages |
| 07:55.56 | Zap-W | let me see |
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| 07:56.36 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: so, to run this app I run via python each time |
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| 07:58.02 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i have mine setup to start at boot using an init.d script http://rafb.net/p/4EydpG26.html |
| 07:58.16 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yeah, that's what I would do also |
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| 07:58.23 | deadlyninja | that probably needs to be adjusted for debian, im not sure how much needs to be changed |
| 07:58.27 | Bogus8 | just never really used python stuff directly like this |
| 07:59.16 | Bogus8 | yeah, I have never understood the intricacies of init.d scripts :( |
| 07:59.21 | Bogus8 | I tried though |
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| 08:00.18 | deadlyninja | the rc runlevels bothered me in unix, which is why i began using gentoo which builds a dependency tree and mostly got rid of rc runlevels |
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| 08:01.01 | deadlyninja | that init.d script is pretty straitforward i would hope |
| 08:01.04 | Zap-W | stew, aptitude install kdebase , donset prompt to remove these xfce packages |
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| 08:01.36 | stew | Zap-W: wierd. well you can use unmarkauto |
| 08:01.46 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: seems simple enough |
| 08:01.47 | Zap-W | so it's a bug? |
| 08:02.27 | stew | Zap-W: i don't know |
| 08:02.35 | Zap-W | aptitude purge xfce4 , does prompt to remove these auto installed xfce packages |
| 08:02.35 | deadlyninja | start-stop-daemon exists on my debian machine, so that must be some sort of standard |
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| 08:03.13 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you will need to make a config file |
| 08:03.23 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: you mean the .ini file? |
| 08:03.24 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i can post mine if you want to see it |
| 08:03.28 | Bogus8 | I'm about half way done |
| 08:03.34 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I wouldn't mind |
| 08:03.48 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, yeah its file exension is whatever you want to make it though |
| 08:04.07 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: dirscan_dir should that be something other than where my default download dir is? (I'll have a seperate completed) |
| 08:05.00 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, http://rafb.net/p/t8heVQ13.html |
| 08:05.19 | dvs01 | the revolution is coming. i got a hot computer noob chick to switch to linux tonite =D |
| 08:05.21 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: thanks |
| 08:05.22 | deadlyninja | those extra servers on the end are free ones i found on the internet, i wrote a java program that queried them so i know they work |
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| 08:05.38 | Bogus8 | dvs01: now you just need to give me her number ;) |
| 08:05.46 | dvs01 | hehe |
| 08:05.52 | Gigantic | heh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cambridgeshire/6274044.stm |
| 08:06.03 | Bogus8 | dvs01: who's laughing :p |
| 08:06.03 | Gigantic | poor lady... |
| 08:06.28 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, the dirscan dir is where you can drop .nzb files, it should be different from the download dir, but may be a subdir |
| 08:06.43 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yeah that's what I was thinking about doing |
| 08:06.56 | utopia_ | i don't care how computer literate a girl is, it's what she's got in the bed that counts |
| 08:06.58 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, if you have a network share you can copy .nzb files into that dir and it will autodownload and extract them |
| 08:07.18 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yep, that's how I'm going to set it up |
| 08:07.21 | deadlyninja | utopia_, some people care about her brain |
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| 08:07.39 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I'll be using rTorrent for my torrents soon and it will be basically the same way |
| 08:07.48 | stew | utopia_: please keep it on-topic |
| 08:07.56 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im using azureus for that |
| 08:08.00 | Bogus8 | utopia_: yeah, that will last when you're old |
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| 08:08.22 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yeah, I'm looking at doing that, but I hear it's a real bitch to set up with no gui frontend to start with |
| 08:08.32 | Bogus8 | I have looked at it... intimidating is an understantment ;) |
| 08:08.35 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you can use VNC |
| 08:08.37 | Bogus8 | understatement* |
| 08:08.44 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you know what vnc is, right? |
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| 08:08.48 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: X isn't even installed |
| 08:08.56 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, hm yeah that might be a problem them |
| 08:08.56 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: use it for work all the time |
| 08:09.13 | Bogus8 | I maintain about 25 pc's in the gulf of mexico... I do remote desktop a LOT |
| 08:09.18 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you could set it up elsewhere and copy the .azureus folder but thats getting a little extreme |
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| 08:09.41 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I actually did start to do that... but I was going ot have to essentially mirror the structure... I lost interest |
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| 08:10.02 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im not familiar with rtorrent, it may be a better choice |
| 08:10.27 | Bogus8 | it's an ncurses system... but it doesn't use DHT yet so it kind of sucks in that sense |
| 08:10.43 | Bogus8 | azeurus is where I'll probably go if I ever get the urge to do it again |
| 08:10.48 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i did exactly what you are doing, i have a machine with samba, sabnzbd, amule, azureus running as daemons and you can access it all through html and nfs/samba |
| 08:11.41 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I have irssi running in a screen and it's connected to bitlbee... I have almost everything running on CLI and this box :) |
| 08:11.43 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, disabled amule though, because it sucks |
| 08:11.51 | Bogus8 | I surf and ssh on my gui boxes |
| 08:12.10 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yea, I used it to get some chess videos once... then it just sat there |
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| 08:12.40 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i didnt know there existed such a thing as a chess video |
| 08:12.52 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, it would be hours of waiting |
| 08:13.04 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, zooming in and out on kasperov's mole |
| 08:13.10 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: haha... nah, it's mostly instructional type stuff |
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| 08:13.20 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: though I'm sure they have that also |
| 08:13.21 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, ah, i thought you meant of games |
| 08:13.38 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: they do reference actual games a lot... but it's not realtime :p |
| 08:14.20 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: what does this mean? fillserver field must be 0 for non-fillservers (>0 otherwise) |
| 08:14.48 | deadlyninja | um check your newsgroup server indexes |
| 08:14.59 | deadlyninja | ive had that error before myself, i forget though |
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| 08:15.39 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: max connections on cox is 3 or 4 isn't it |
| 08:15.43 | Bogus8 | 3 for one 4 for the other |
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| 08:15.58 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i dont know, but it seems to be stupid unless it set it to 2/2 |
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| 08:16.29 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I did notice wierd hang ups with a win client once... thought it was just cox-uckers |
| 08:16.33 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, start with 2 and 2 and then once you get it working bump it up and check if its actually working, i think they detect if you connect to both servers and still only let you have 4 connex |
| 08:16.56 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: as I said, cox-uckers! |
| 08:16.59 | Zap-W | stew, aptitude install --without-recommends kdebase , does mention in the bottom that it will not install kdebase recommended packages , but in addition it prompts it will remove all installed recommended packages ..from all packages.. |
| 08:17.09 | deadlyninja | my cox password was suxcox |
| 08:17.41 | deadlyninja | for some reason i thought that was hilarious at one time, had to tell it to them over the phone once |
| 08:17.51 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: haha... what speeds do you see from the cox servers? |
| 08:17.58 | deadlyninja | 50k/sec/stream |
| 08:18.03 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: that's great |
| 08:18.08 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, used to be a lot faster though |
| 08:18.27 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I was just downloading headers at 500-700k ... fluke though as I was getting 30k before |
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| 08:18.33 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, like 2 years ago i could max my download speed |
| 08:18.51 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, headers to at a different rate, with .nzb files you dont need header |
| 08:18.53 | deadlyninja | s |
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| 08:18.55 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I had gotten 300k before... my buddy claims to get his full pipe on them though *shrug* |
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| 08:19.14 | hark | Zap-W: i think that's expected behavior (like a global flag) though i thought this would have been fixed by now |
| 08:19.54 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, still having the fillserver problem? |
| 08:19.55 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: anyway to check those servers for particular groups before I add them? |
| 08:20.00 | spheard | would anyone know about running virtual machines on a large cluster? |
| 08:20.09 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I was only asking as I saw it in the config... adding my servers now |
| 08:20.11 | spheard | i'e, How Id go about it? |
| 08:20.15 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, no and they probably arent neccessary, i just went overboard at the time |
| 08:20.40 | hark | Zap-W: try adding "-o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true" |
| 08:20.44 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yeah, I just know I added two free ones in nget and only one of them had the group I wanted |
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| 08:20.52 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, oh i understand the question now, fillservers are used AFTER non-fillservers |
| 08:20.59 | speeves | spheard: is this using xen on Debian? |
| 08:21.08 | speeves | spheard: if so, check out #debian-xen |
| 08:21.16 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, so it only goes to fillservers, sorted in integer order, if it cant find a file on your primary servers |
| 08:21.16 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: so it's more of a personal preference |
| 08:21.42 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, its more for if you have pay-for news servers |
| 08:21.52 | Bogus8 | if you know some servers have the files but are slower you put them as fills so if it can't get them on fast servers it will hit slow ones? |
| 08:21.53 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, so you can use free ones primarily |
| 08:22.03 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: ah, got it |
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| 08:22.24 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i use them the way you describe, but i dont think that is what they were intended for |
| 08:22.37 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: true |
| 08:22.38 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, cox only retains files for about a week, fyi |
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| 08:22.51 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yeah, my buddy was complaining about that today |
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| 08:23.57 | Zap-W | hark, yes , it works |
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| 08:24.42 | Bogus8 | grr, I turned on conversions of tabs to spaces in nano and can't figure out how to turn it off |
| 08:25.00 | Bogus8 | the help file says m+q but ctrl q doesn't do it |
| 08:25.17 | Bogus8 | ahh.. ALT is meta... doh! |
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| 08:26.01 | Bogus8 | I'm the opposite |
| 08:26.22 | geo-rge | I'm used to emacs sorta, |
| 08:26.47 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: any of those servers you got in there known to be fast servers? |
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| 08:27.03 | peter__ | Hello |
| 08:27.04 | geo-rge | and when editing a file that has tabs it gets unexpected to skip over the tab sometimes... |
| 08:27.14 | geo-rge | in makefiles, tabs are necessary |
| 08:27.17 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, they are all really slow, also the last one a personal account so dont use that one, you can reg an account there for free |
| 08:27.23 | peter__ | There was an dist-upgrade today? (115MB)~~~~~~~~ |
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| 08:27.36 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: is it any good |
| 08:27.42 | hark | Zap-W: cool, this was the old bug btw (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=143532) |
| 08:27.50 | stew | peter__: what do you mean? |
| 08:27.51 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, its not that fast, and there is a bandwidth limit, but its very reliable |
| 08:28.05 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I'll keep it in mind for sure |
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| 08:28.29 | peter__ | stew, my dpkg-manager find out some new updates, I type apt-get dist-upgrade and 115MB was installed |
| 08:28.49 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, sabnzbd is usually able to assemble binaries without ever touching any fillserver > 0 |
| 08:28.50 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: ok, now I have the config file done... I just mv the whole thing where I want it to reside |
| 08:28.55 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, so i dont really know that well |
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| 08:29.02 | stew | peter__: i don't understand the question then |
| 08:29.08 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: there is a setup.py but nothing about it in the readme |
| 08:29.17 | stew | peter__: what version of debian are you running? |
| 08:29.18 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i have a p2p user called 'share' that i do everything file related, helps with permissions |
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| 08:29.48 | peter__ | stew, lenny/sid , I m asking if someone else had this update today |
| 08:29.48 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i think you can run it without calling setup |
| 08:30.20 | geo-rge | stew: you tell him this time :P |
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| 08:30.30 | stew | peter__: both lenny and sid have hundreds of packages changing every day |
| 08:30.38 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im not experienced in python, but it looks like setup.py might be for initializing the module not for installing it |
| 08:30.52 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I'll just follow the readme for now |
| 08:30.53 | peter__ | stew I understand, but 115MB it isnt normal packages update |
| 08:31.00 | Bogus8 | just got to decide where I'm going to put the "app" |
| 08:31.14 | stew | peter__: i don't see why not |
| 08:31.20 | geo-rge | actually, that seems about normal for sid when it's being worked on heavily |
| 08:31.22 | peter__ | stew Im asking if you have this update |
| 08:31.28 | stew | peter__: what update? |
| 08:31.33 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i left it in my share user folder, you might want to try /opt up to you |
| 08:31.46 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im afk for a bit, but ill be back eventually |
| 08:31.54 | peter__ | stew updating from Etch to lenny is installing 250MB |
| 08:32.00 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yeah, thought about that... I think I just want to keep it somewhat uniform though |
| 08:32.03 | peter__ | stew, distro update... 115MB |
| 08:32.04 | stew | peter__: that sounds low |
| 08:32.08 | geo-rge | peter__: it's perhaps more a matter of whether you want to upgrade so much so often |
| 08:32.15 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: if i'm gone before then.. thanks for all your help! |
| 08:32.18 | peter__ | stew dont know what "that sounds low" means |
| 08:32.34 | geo-rge | getting off cheaply? :) |
| 08:32.52 | Bogus8 | what is the /opt dir for.. mine is empty |
| 08:33.19 | stew | peter__: i'd expect the average user to have to download more than 250 mb to upgrade from etch to lenny. running dist-upgrade on sid and having it want to download 115mb doesn't sound at all out of the ordinary. if you want to know if "i'm getting this update" you'd have to ask about a particular package |
| 08:33.19 | geo-rge | 115mb/day is a low rate sid to be changing? |
| 08:33.26 | peter__ | geo-rge, yesterday I have checked if there was dist-upgrade and it wasnt. Today I get up, make apt-get update, apt-get install dist-upgrade and 115MB of packages are installed on my debian. Just asking if someone else had thisame |
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| 08:33.56 | stew | peter__: anyone that was also running sid and had exactly the same packages as you installed and was running the same arch as you would see the same |
| 08:34.00 | geo-rge | peter__: I use etch, which does not change |
| 08:34.08 | tarzeau | geo-rge: depensd, how much software do you have? dpkg -l |wc -l ? |
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| 08:34.19 | peter__ | stew, if updating from etch to lenny you are downloading about 250MB, that means downloading 115MB is also some kind of dist-upgrade, if you dont see this sorry then |
| 08:34.28 | geo-rge | tarzeau: good point |
| 08:34.37 | peter__ | geo-rge, thanks, for the answer |
| 08:34.40 | hark | openoffice etc could account for a lot |
| 08:34.46 | stew | peter__: no, downloading 115mb does not mean it is some kind of dist-upgrade |
| 08:34.54 | tarzeau | geo-rge: and it also matters which packages you have, since not are updated so often |
| 08:34.55 | peter__ | stew nvm |
| 08:34.57 | blahdeblah | tarzeau: "depensd" - is that what happens to people who try to use BSD after running Linux? :-D |
| 08:35.05 | tarzeau | i've got to get 55mb today |
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| 08:35.10 | blahdeblah | (i.e. they go off the deep end...) |
| 08:35.18 | geo-rge | and some are bigger (emacs, tex, gcc forexample) |
| 08:35.20 | Zap-W | if i mark packages to be HOLD will it also mark the automaticlly installed packages as well? |
| 08:35.25 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: debian gnu/kfreebsd :) |
| 08:35.50 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 08:35.52 | vin` | peter__: if you're wondering why there's a lot of updates to packages in testing, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/07/msg00001.html |
| 08:36.00 | tarzeau | blahdeblah: it's just i've started doing mass graph plot statistics on all data in debian (changelogs, dpkg.log, users, bts...) |
| 08:36.09 | stew | hah, i just ran aptitude -s dist-upgrade and it wanted to download exactly 115mb, what are the chances :) |
| 08:36.27 | blahdeblah | I've just bought an external caddy that supports both USB 2.0 and External SATA - is there anything special i need to do to enable E-SATA for hotplug, or can i just plug it in & switch it on? I'm running etch amd64 on an Intel DG965WH mobo. |
| 08:36.32 | vin` | stew: in sid? |
| 08:36.56 | stew | vin`: yes |
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| 08:38.26 | tarzeau | damn gzip package is so broken. |
| 08:38.37 | tarzeau | zless works on textfiles not gzipped, but zcat doesn't |
| 08:38.37 | stew | and my work machine said, "Need to get 1066MB of archives. After unpacking 770MB will be used" |
| 08:38.45 | peter__ | vin`, thats explain all to me, thanks |
| 08:38.46 | tarzeau | i wouldn't need it but zgrep -h is broken |
| 08:40.12 | vin` | tarzeau: on the bts archive? like 10gigs? |
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| 08:41.19 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im back, how goes it? |
| 08:41.37 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I think I left a few options out... going fill them in now |
| 08:41.43 | Bogus8 | "invalid config file" |
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| 08:42.02 | tarzeau | vin`: more like 23 gigs :) |
| 08:42.13 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, yeah it wants every parameter and its touchy, god i hate installing that app |
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| 08:42.23 | vin` | tarzeau: do you have a super computer in the closet? :) |
| 08:42.47 | tarzeau | vin`: no, but under my desk. several ones: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/atwerk.jpg |
| 08:42.54 | tarzeau | vin`: and like 200 machines around the campus |
| 08:43.41 | vin` | tarzeau: nice ;) |
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| 08:46.52 | peter__ | nice desktop ;) |
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| 08:47.09 | MangosDebian | mmmmmmm, all your ice cream @ 5am are belong in my belly! |
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| 08:47.42 | MangosDebian | Grenade: heya |
| 08:48.33 | Noven | hey guys, how do I make xchat open URL's with iceweasel? the advanced tab has a thingy for opera, and I tried changing it with no luck |
| 08:49.17 | MangosDebian | Noven: apt-get install irssi-text usually does the trick :) |
| 08:49.23 | geo-rge | Noven: you set it up properly to do it... edit the menu |
| 08:49.47 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: you around? |
| 08:49.52 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: help me out http://rafb.net/p/5fyb3D85.html |
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| 08:50.05 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, ill try |
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| 08:51.00 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, did you create all those folders already? |
| 08:51.23 | geo-rge | try having iceweasel open |
| 08:51.41 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: yeah |
| 08:51.43 | geo-rge | then rightclick a link in xchat |
| 08:51.58 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: let me try removing trailing slash... you don't have that |
| 08:51.58 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, what user are you running it as? |
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| 08:52.03 | Bogus8 | gilligan |
| 08:52.15 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im pretty sure non-super users can not open ports < 1024 |
| 08:52.23 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, so port 80 would fail |
| 08:52.34 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: apache is running on port 80 :) |
| 08:52.35 | deadlyninja | its actually like <1500 |
| 08:52.37 | MangosDebian | deadlyninja: thats right |
| 08:52.38 | Bogus8 | so it doesn't use apache? |
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| 08:52.47 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, no it runs its own webserver |
| 08:52.53 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: ah... let me fix that ;) |
| 08:52.53 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i believe thats what cherrypy is |
| 08:53.15 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, set it to something big, because the lower range of ports is reserved for superuser |
| 08:53.23 | Bogus8 | going back to 8080 |
| 08:53.31 | MangosDebian | deadlyninja: but its a capability set permission that can actually be granted via grsecurity or something similar |
| 08:53.38 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: negative... same |
| 08:53.46 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, alright, but keep in mind that port is filtered over the internet on cox |
| 08:53.58 | Bogus8 | i'm local |
| 08:54.13 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, as you should be, try removing the trailing slashes |
| 08:54.19 | deadlyninja | MangosDebian, I didnt know that |
| 08:54.25 | atula | is there a reason why "ls -l" isn't working? ls, ls -a work... also, it is a hugh nfs directory acting as documentroot for a loadbalanced webservers environment. |
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| 08:54.34 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: just did... no good either |
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| 08:55.25 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, does your user have permission to write to /var/log? |
| 08:55.38 | Bogus8 | user maybe not |
| 08:55.45 | Bogus8 | probably not actually |
| 08:55.53 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, set the log folder local or create it with the group of your user |
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| 08:56.36 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, make sure all those dirs are writable by your user |
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| 08:56.50 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: still no go |
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| 08:57.07 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: all dirs were created by that user (for just that purpose) |
| 08:57.08 | geo-rge | start apache as root then... |
| 08:57.24 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: it's not apache it's a python script |
| 08:57.43 | geo-rge | oh, don't listen to me on that |
| 08:57.55 | geo-rge | avoid running scripts as root :) |
| 08:58.03 | Bogus8 | for kicks though I just ran the command with sudo and it still failed |
| 08:58.10 | geo-rge | it's just like life... |
| 08:58.18 | geo-rge | life is like a box of chocolates... |
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| 08:58.33 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i see a problem with comments in your servers section |
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| 08:58.46 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, those brackets are actually required |
| 08:58.49 | geo-rge | point being: you can't necessarily know what a script will do if it's given wide posers |
| 08:58.53 | geo-rge | powers |
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| 08:59.20 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, and all fields of the server are required, just set them to empty string if you dont need them |
| 08:59.24 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: and if you look, the one I created I didn't comment it out... oversight! |
| 08:59.39 | geo-rge | (wide posers.... can you make a picture of that in your mind...) |
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| 09:00.04 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i dont quite follow what you mean, just remove the hashes from the server lines |
| 09:00.51 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I meant I don't know why I left them in there |
| 09:01.05 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: it's running now... so I assume... off to really check |
| 09:01.37 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, remember its at localhost:8080/sabnzbd |
| 09:01.50 | deadlyninja | cherrypy requires that subfolder i guess |
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| 09:02.01 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: where do I make that sub folder? |
| 09:02.12 | Bogus8 | I thought that was the css folder thing in the config |
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| 09:02.50 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you dont create it, i mean thats the address |
| 09:02.59 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: sorry, typo... but I get a error 500 now |
| 09:03.12 | Bogus8 | The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. |
| 09:03.22 | deadlyninja | look at the log |
| 09:03.31 | Bogus8 | hehe.. oops :) |
| 09:03.32 | deadlyninja | /var/log/whatever |
| 09:03.51 | deadlyninja | or it could be in the cherrypy log, but its usually not |
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| 09:04.59 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I think it is the cherry log |
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| 09:05.31 | MangosDebian | xornoobix: noobix^^3 :) |
| 09:05.35 | Bogus8 | 2007-07-06 03:58:52,985::INFO::_yenc module... NOT found! |
| 09:05.35 | Bogus8 | 2007-07-06 03:58:52,987::INFO::celementtree module... NOT found! |
| 09:05.41 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: might that be the prob? |
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| 09:05.47 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, port 8080 could be in use by a proxy server (running squid?) |
| 09:05.59 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: nah, nothing runs on this server I don't know about |
| 09:06.02 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, its most likely in one log or other |
| 09:06.19 | blahdeblah | The answer to my question about eSATA hotplug is: on well-supported AHCI controllers (e.g. my mobo is Intel ICH8 family), just plug & play! Works fine, and over double the performance of the same caddy attached via USB 2.0. http://rafb.net/p/Rx5WEr97.html |
| 09:06.40 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, what url did you try to load |
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| 09:07.11 | Bogus8 | myIP:8080/sabnzbd |
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| 09:07.37 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, try localhost:8080/sabnzbd |
| 09:08.03 | Bogus8 | same |
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| 09:08.11 | deadlyninja | and you cant find an error in the log? |
| 09:08.22 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I was testing from another machine... shoudn't be an issue apache works fine |
| 09:08.33 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: not sure what I'm looking at in the log.. give me a sex |
| 09:08.35 | nslater | When a host changes and ssh gives me the "Host key verification failed." message - what is the best way to cure this problem? |
| 09:08.35 | Bogus8 | sec! |
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| 09:08.51 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you could try it with links on localhost to see if its a filtering problem |
| 09:08.55 | Bogus8 | nslater: good question, I always just delete the files and just say "yes" again :) |
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| 09:09.09 | MangosDebian | nslater: known_hosts file or something similar named, find line and remove |
| 09:09.10 | nslater | Bogus8, yes - but then you get rid of all the other host keys. |
| 09:09.12 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, but i guess error500 is more of a doh we screwed up error |
| 09:09.13 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I just did... I'm sure I will have no problems hitting the server on my network |
| 09:09.27 | nslater | MangosDebian, that's not possible because it's all gobldigook. |
| 09:09.31 | MangosDebian | nslater: but did the key change for known reasons? |
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| 09:09.40 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im more concerned about security getting in the way rather than connectivity, but good enough |
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| 09:09.41 | nslater | MangosDebian, yes - I just re-imaged the host. |
| 09:09.56 | MangosDebian | k |
| 09:10.00 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, can you paste the sabnzbd log? |
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| 09:10.52 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I think I see it... it's looking for a file "main.tmpl" in the dir that I set up in the config for the CSS page |
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| 09:11.11 | MangosDebian | nslater: i see what you mean. but the pub key should be one of those lines |
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| 09:11.55 | MangosDebian | nslater: the part up to "...= ssh-rsa" is the fingerprint, the part after is the pub key by the looks of it |
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| 09:16.21 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: http://rafb.net/p/VYYcfb10.html that's sab's log |
| 09:16.44 | xand | MangosDebian: indeed ssh will tell you which line, though the file no-longer has hostnames in |
| 09:17.17 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: http://rafb.net/p/C3dAKq28.html that's cherrypy's log |
| 09:17.25 | MangosDebian | xand: i see that. only a minor hurdle ;) |
| 09:17.52 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, dude you used the wrong url |
| 09:18.00 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, sab nzb d |
| 09:18.10 | MangosDebian | probably for performance on large files to avoid calculating it a 1000 times |
| 09:18.12 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you typoed |
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| 09:18.18 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I actually mistyped it in both places.. but I have since fixed both also |
| 09:18.25 | deadlyninja | ah |
| 09:18.35 | Bogus8 | I thought I had it too when I saw that ;) |
| 09:18.50 | yangvnc | How do I get rid of 64 bytes from 192.168.1.66: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=15.9 ms (DUP!) |
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| 09:19.44 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: if you look at the end of that file you will see where it is fixed |
| 09:19.49 | lkthomas | guys, after create bridge br0 using brctl, does the bridge preserve after reboot ? |
| 09:19.51 | MangosDebian | yangvnc: hmm, you pinging a broadcast address or something? |
| 09:20.14 | yangvnc | MangosDebian: its my wireless access point |
| 09:20.36 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, your webdir in the config file is supposed to point to the templates dir |
| 09:20.51 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: ah, ok where is that.. or should I just leave it blank? |
| 09:21.23 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, its a subfolder in sabnzbd |
| 09:21.48 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: ah ok, you're config fooled me... I assumed that was your web root and that is why I started pointing mine there |
| 09:22.20 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, right i see that |
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| 09:22.26 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, change web_dir = "/home/gilligan/raid/stuff/www/sabnbzd/" to web_dir = "/home/gilligan/raid/stuff/www/sabnbzd/templates" |
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| 09:23.05 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: well, that isn't even where the templates folder is... but you did answer my next question ;) |
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| 09:23.16 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, thats odd, thats where my templates folder is |
| 09:23.27 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, ah i get it |
| 09:23.51 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: GREAT success! ;) |
| 09:24.15 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, right on |
| 09:24.34 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: I'll agree, a little bit of a bitch to set up... maybe if I get the urge I'll write some docs just to clear up things for noobs |
| 09:24.58 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: just lots of things left for interpretation... and with wondering minds like mine, that spells trouble ;) |
| 09:25.18 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you have no idea how much pain i went through for sabnzbd |
| 09:25.31 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, im glad i was able to reduce the pain for someone else |
| 09:25.39 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: haha... well, I'M glad you did :) |
| 09:25.47 | Bogus8 | exactly |
| 09:26.01 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, i wish someone wanted my gentoo script though, because its production quality |
| 09:26.08 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: so, two ways to add things.. either through web interface or drag and drop into samba share |
| 09:26.15 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: hehe |
| 09:26.36 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, yeah, but the samba share is flakey at times, its best to copy to the drive in a general place, then move to the dropzone |
| 09:26.42 | deadlyninja | so that it appears there instantly |
| 09:26.52 | deadlyninja | because ive had it try to read the file while i was still copying it |
| 09:27.02 | deadlyninja | (some nzb's are multiple megabytes) |
| 09:27.07 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: that's weird... you can also get nzb url and paste it in the "add url" thing? |
| 09:27.19 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: that makes sense |
| 09:27.20 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, ive never used that |
| 09:27.30 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, its hard to find urls of nzbs |
| 09:27.38 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: so you just use the interface for monitoring progress and such |
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| 09:27.56 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, yeah but the interface isnt super magical or anything |
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| 09:28.10 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, you can see what servers its connected to and the speed, which is nice |
| 09:28.24 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, also if you click on the name of an uploaded nzb you can see each file's status |
| 09:28.26 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: it's better than nget's 35% = killed I'm getting now :( |
| 09:29.03 | deadlyninja | go to binsearch.info and search for some x264 tv shows or movies |
| 09:29.13 | Bogus8 | guess I'm not going to my client's office tomorrow AM ;) |
| 09:29.16 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, or whatever, thats what i use it for mostly |
| 09:29.34 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, yeah me neither |
| 09:29.59 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, ill see ya, i better get to sleep |
| 09:30.06 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: trust me, it's not because I wanted to get this working so bad.. it's because you were here that I did this tonight vs in the morrow |
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| 09:30.12 | Bogus8 | deadlyninja: thanks again! |
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| 09:30.29 | deadlyninja | Bogus8, no problem, im out |
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| 09:34.07 | vlt | Hello. I want to take a screenshot of a "screen" screen ;-) every n seconds. Any idea how to do this? |
| 09:34.58 | vlt | (I think it's called hardcopy there.) |
| 09:35.36 | alexp_ | vlt: You should be able to send commands to a screen session remotely using "screen -X" |
| 09:36.46 | vlt | alexp_: Aah, nice. I'll have a look. |
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| 09:37.03 | tralala | vlt, screen keeps a log by default. Are you sure that's not enough? |
| 09:37.20 | tralala | actually it keeps a buffer |
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| 09:37.42 | DawnLight | hello. i can use some help configuring a network. i have a debian box wirelessed to an AP. the IP on the wireless interface is DHCPd from the 10.0.0.x range and the default gateway is 10.0.0.138. now i want to wire a win2k box to my debian box. so i was thinking of giving the interface on the debian box 10.0.1.1 and the interface on the win2k box 10.0.1.2. thats good, right? what do i set as the netmask and gateways on these |
| 09:37.42 | DawnLight | interfaces? |
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| 09:38.22 | vlt | tralala: The buffer I can modify with the ":scrollback" command? No that's not enough, I need single properly named files ... |
| 09:38.24 | alexp_ | vlt: Something like "while true; do screen -X hardcopy; sleep 2; done" in a different screen window should do the trick. |
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| 09:38.42 | vlt | alexp_: yep, thanks |
| 09:38.45 | alexp_ | Anyway, I've just installed some Xen systems on Debian Etch using xen-create-image, and I can't run konsole within them because it can't open a pseudo-terminal. Looks like /dev/pts exists but is empty, any idea what to do about that? |
| 09:38.52 | somian[0] | DawnLight: it seems to me that you are making things harder than necessary for yourself. |
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| 09:39.30 | DawnLight | somian[0]: i do that sometimes |
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| 09:42.05 | somian[0] | Are you planning on having the Debian box firewall and nat for the Windwoes box, DawnLight? |
| 09:42.34 | tralala | DawnLight, you lost me on that one. Maybe if you draw an ascii picture of your network I'll be able to help you |
| 09:42.39 | vlt | alexp_: hmmm, the hardcopy command lacks a parameter which screen window to capture ... |
| 09:43.03 | alexp_ | vlt: Will it not just do the one you've got selected, or isn't that what you want? |
| 09:43.18 | alexp_ | vlt: See also the -p option to screen |
| 09:43.31 | tralala | vlt, what's the purpose of this capturing? |
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| 09:44.14 | vlt | alexp_: Yes, thank you. -p should do it. |
| 09:44.34 | tbamr | Debian est frais ! |
| 09:44.38 | tbamr | :D |
| 09:45.33 | MangosDebian | !xr fr en frais |
| 09:45.52 | alexp_ | "Fresh", I think. |
| 09:45.52 | MangosDebian | bah, whats that mean?! |
| 09:45.56 | alexp_ | !fr |
| 09:45.56 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:46.00 | somian[0] | I think if DawnLight decribes in words further, that my suspicion that he doesn't understand network class and subnetting will be either confirmed or disproved and then someone can answer him better. |
| 09:46.05 | alexp_ | As in "fromage frais" |
| 09:46.22 | tbamr | désolé |
| 09:46.27 | dimir | Omlet du fromage! |
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| 09:46.31 | matahari | hi |
| 09:46.52 | matahari | is it possible to run debian-netinstall from a 16MB CompactFlash Card? |
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| 09:47.16 | tbamr | MangosDebian: that means babelfish's great! |
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| 09:47.24 | MangosDebian | hmm, guess dpkg doesnt have xr :( |
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| 09:48.05 | MangosDebian | !babelfish fr en frais |
| 09:48.07 | dpkg | expenses |
| 09:48.17 | MangosDebian | that cant be right |
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| 09:48.28 | DawnLight | i want the debian box to NAT the win2k box and whichever ip configuration does that, i will be happy with it |
| 09:48.35 | tbamr | !babelfish désolé |
| 09:48.42 | alexp_ | DawnLight: You could just bridge the two :) |
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| 09:49.04 | MangosDebian | tbamr: xr is supposed to be an alias for it, but you nneed to specify from lang and to lang |
| 09:49.21 | MangosDebian | !babelfish fr en désolé |
| 09:49.23 | dpkg | afflicted |
| 09:49.39 | tbamr | MangosDebian: hmm... |
| 09:50.01 | MangosDebian | dondelelcaro uses a custom/slightly out of date bloot for dpkg iirc |
| 09:50.01 | tbamr | MangosDebian: it means sorry though |
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| 09:50.05 | DawnLight | bridge... that means that communication between the two will be goind through the wireless interface on the debian box, right? i want fast communication between them because i want to use remote desktop |
| 09:50.16 | tbamr | MangosDebian: yeah guessed so |
| 09:50.17 | matahari | does anyone of you have an idea how i can start the installation with the 16MB CF-Card? |
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| 09:50.31 | MangosDebian | tbamr: so that translation is wrong? |
| 09:50.49 | tbamr | MangosDebian: yes definitely |
| 09:51.01 | alexp_ | DawnLight: rdesktop is fast enough over wifi anyway. |
| 09:51.03 | MangosDebian | hmm, try one more simpler one. whats bonjour? that spelled correct? |
| 09:51.03 | tbamr | MangosDebian: http://babelfish.altavista.com |
| 09:51.20 | MangosDebian | !babelfish fr en bonjour |
| 09:51.21 | dpkg | hello |
| 09:51.39 | tbamr | MangosDebian: that's right. |
| 09:51.40 | MangosDebian | well, its being called correctly. perhaps its just one of many possible meanings |
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| 09:52.14 | tbamr | !babelfish fr en desole |
| 09:52.15 | dpkg | desole |
| 09:52.19 | tbamr | :/ |
| 09:52.26 | Shisui | !babelfish fr en dsol |
| 09:52.28 | dpkg | dsol |
| 09:52.31 | somian[0] | If you decide to forego bridging, you want a Class B network like 192.168.34.0, DawnLight -- not another range in the same Class A network as your wireless interface is using. |
| 09:52.32 | MangosDebian | hehe ok, enough playing |
| 09:52.32 | Shisui | hm. |
| 09:52.50 | tbamr | Shisui: it's borked |
| 09:52.52 | tbamr | :( |
| 09:53.25 | tbamr | !die |
| 09:53.25 | dpkg | I'll murder you tbamr! Slice you into bits and feed you to my children! |
| 09:53.28 | tbamr | haha |
| 09:53.32 | tbamr | !die dpkg |
| 09:53.45 | somian[0] | !botsnack |
| 09:53.46 | dpkg | :), somian[0] |
| 09:54.03 | somian[0] | Proof that zombies eat. |
| 09:54.08 | tbamr | heh |
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| 09:54.24 | DawnLight | so debian box 192.168.34.1 and win2k box 192.168.34.2. the netmask in both interfaces will be 255.255.255.0? what are the gateways? |
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| 09:55.05 | somian[0] | The gateway is your debian host's IP |
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| 09:55.19 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 09:55.21 | tbamr | !gateway |
| 09:55.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gateway is The computer or device onto which the first hop needs to go to get out of your network. As you know a TCP/IP route uses many hops to get from here to there. or the name of a computer company that is making a new amiga OS that nobody knows anything about. |
| 09:55.32 | fasta | Anyone who has used Gnash to actually see an swf file on a website? |
| 09:55.42 | DukeDrake | how can I find out which locales are installed on my system? |
| 09:56.10 | marenz | hi there |
| 09:56.11 | tralala | tbamr, did you know that you can query the bot in private? I'd actually recommend that. |
| 09:56.13 | tbamr | 64 is more than enough. i'd die doing 64 hops. :D |
| 09:56.18 | tbamr | tralala: sure |
| 09:56.19 | MangosDebian | DukeDrake: /usr/share/locale |
| 09:56.57 | DukeDrake | MangosDebian: thanx a lot |
| 09:57.05 | geo-rge | can you still get amigas |
| 09:57.08 | peter__ | Guys, my friend has ati radeon 9700 mobility... and debian works on "ati" drivers... shouldnt it work also on fglrx? |
| 09:57.12 | MangosDebian | np |
| 09:57.21 | tralala | DukeDrake, /etc/locale.gen |
| 09:57.40 | geo-rge | peter__: dunno... does it? |
| 09:57.53 | jelly-home | DukeDrake: are you referring to the funny perl messages on upgrade? |
| 09:58.13 | peter__ | geo-rge, well... is there any list of graphic cards that works with "ati" and "fglrx"? |
| 09:58.21 | DukeDrake | hm ... and how do I set the locale for all the LC veriables? |
| 09:58.25 | DukeDrake | jelly-home: yupp |
| 09:58.26 | DawnLight | thats the gateway for the win2k interface. whats the gateway for the debian interface? |
| 09:58.39 | geo-rge | peter__: see, I guess fglrx is a binary driver... yes? |
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| 09:58.50 | peter__ | geo-rge, yes |
| 09:59.05 | jelly-home | DukeDrake: try doing a "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and enable the one you're using |
| 09:59.11 | peter__ | geo-rge, ati are also binary |
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| 09:59.19 | jakub_ | hi |
| 09:59.22 | peter__ | geo-rge, am I right? |
| 09:59.31 | jakub_ | please how to re-translate all files in folder from windows-1250 to UTF-8 ? |
| 09:59.39 | hark | peter__: man ati; man radeon |
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| 10:00.31 | geo-rge | so they were compiled with some gcc and against some libs that are not the ones on your box, possibly (the larger probability. the smaller is they were built with exactly the ones on your box) |
| 10:00.33 | hark | peter__: as for fglrx, see the release notes/changelogs on amd's site |
| 10:00.33 | tralala | peter__, fglrx is the propriarity driver - sometimes having better 3D performance. radeon is the free driver |
| 10:00.42 | jelly-home | jakub_: first, make a backup copy. :-) then use recode or iconv |
| 10:00.45 | marenz | my mouse laggs when apt-get does s.th. (installing, getting the newest sources ..), its a T23 laptop with 1.2 Ghz and 512 ram, no other apps are running. Could it be that i set a certain kernel option wrong when compiling ? |
| 10:00.49 | jakub_ | thx |
| 10:01.06 | peter__ | hark, tralala so why my friend works fine on "ati" ? |
| 10:01.13 | peter__ | not "radeon" or "fglrx" |
| 10:01.23 | DukeDrake | jelly-home: well ... sounds like a rather ressource comsuming operation? |
| 10:01.31 | hark | peter__: ati is just a wrapper driver |
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| 10:01.45 | tralala | peter__, ati autodetects and loads the appropriate driver as you can see in the logs |
| 10:01.47 | peter__ | hark, so how does his radeon works fine ? |
| 10:01.49 | geo-rge | peter__: and also works fine on fglrx? |
| 10:01.56 | jelly-home | DukeDrake: what, dpkg-reconfigure? no. |
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| 10:02.00 | peter__ | geo-rge, we didnt try |
| 10:02.02 | juice` | what's the difference between 'IN A' and 'A' dns entries ? |
| 10:02.09 | geo-rge | allllllll |
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| 10:02.10 | hark | peter__: yes, that card is fully supported by it |
| 10:02.12 | geo-rge | righteyyyy |
| 10:02.15 | geo-rge | thennnnnn :) |
| 10:02.21 | peter__ | hark, by "ati" ? |
| 10:02.22 | DawnLight | is there an external HDD box that connects via USB/FireWire, into which i put an IDE HDD? |
| 10:02.31 | hark | peter__: ati/radeon |
| 10:02.34 | geo-rge | you didn't test all the conditions |
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| 10:02.43 | hark | peter__: man radeon and man ati |
| 10:02.44 | tralala | DawnLight, plenty |
| 10:02.45 | peter__ | hark, but there is no "radeon" in xorg.conf, just "ati" |
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| 10:03.16 | zanpakuto | just curious, if you have a domain mydomain.com and a web server setup on two different locations/hosting provider how do you balance traffic? is it possible to create a failover system such that when one is down, http request are automatically redirected to the other website. |
| 10:03.17 | tralala | peter__, what's your question again? |
| 10:03.18 | geo-rge | in xorg.conf can be anything |
| 10:03.30 | geo-rge | what are the drivers you actually have |
| 10:03.35 | peter__ | hark, I have read already man ati, and I understand it is wrapper, but it dosent change that his radeon works on "ati" in xorg.conf |
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| 10:03.48 | jelly-home | jakub_: something like "recode windows-1250..UTF-8 filename [filename ...]" should do the trick |
| 10:04.00 | geo-rge | what does ati wrap? |
| 10:04.08 | jakub_ | yes |
| 10:04.21 | peter__ | tralala, my friend is using 9700 mobility... in xorg.conf he has "ati" not "radeon" or "fglrx" - why does it works fine, and it works with 3D game like Chess3D |
| 10:04.27 | jelly-home | geo-rge: drivers for mach64, ati rage 128 and radeon |
| 10:04.37 | jakub_ | jelly: but i want to recode all folders in folder |
| 10:04.40 | jakub_ | and all files in it |
| 10:04.56 | peter__ | tralala, there just isnt any notice about "radeon" driver |
| 10:05.05 | tralala | peter__, because ati loads radeon which supports 3d |
| 10:05.12 | geo-rge | which are located inside the ati driver itself, or are forwarded to another driver (like radeon or fglrx)? |
| 10:05.17 | amphi | peter__: ati loads radeon if it detects such a card |
| 10:05.24 | hark | "ati is an Xorg wrapper driver for ATI video cards. It autodetects whether your hardware has a Radeon, Rage 128, or Mach64 or earlier class of chipset, and loads the radeon(4), r128(4), or atimisc(4) driver as appropriate." |
| 10:05.31 | jelly-home | jakub_: them you'll have to use find and xargs to call recode over all the files |
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| 10:05.34 | geo-rge | (hence the name "wrapper" :) |
| 10:05.35 | peter__ | tralala, ok, I can understand that, but it doesnt show any notice of "radeon" driver inside xorg.conf ? |
| 10:05.52 | peter__ | amphi, read question ^ |
| 10:05.56 | jakub_ | jelly-home: pls can you tell me what to write? i dont know bash :( |
| 10:05.57 | tralala | peter__, no not in xorg.conf but in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:05.59 | hark | peter__: check Xorg.0.log instead |
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| 10:06.40 | geo-rge | peter__: before you continue asking anything along these lines, please look at the names and pathnames of all files that come with xserver-xorg |
| 10:06.43 | marenz | my mouse laggs when apt-get does s.th. (installing, getting the newest sources ..), its a T23 laptop with 1.2 Ghz and 512 ram, no other apps are running. Could it be that i set a certain kernel option wrong when compiling ? |
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| 10:07.10 | tralala | you'll see there that the radeon driver is loaded. The whole idea of the wrapper is that if you swap your card with one of the other supported chipsets it will still work without chaning the .conf file |
| 10:07.16 | geo-rge | learn something new before repeating the loop again :P |
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| 10:08.05 | tralala | marenz, what's your cpu usage when this is happening? |
| 10:08.13 | marenz | i'll check |
| 10:08.33 | juice` | what's the difference between 'IN A' and 'A' dns entries ? |
| 10:08.35 | jelly-home | jakub_: sorry, I don't wish to give you a ready-made recipe that you wouldn't understand how it works. Try asking in #bash . |
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| 10:08.56 | somian[0] | They're handing out free fish in #bash?! |
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| 10:09.12 | geo-rge | (learn, for example, how the xorg config file REFERS to drivers which are FILES that are located in specific directories) |
| 10:09.15 | krinns | lhey |
| 10:09.21 | jelly-home | somian[0]: no, they're not but I bett they'll point him to the right part of the faq |
| 10:09.25 | krinns | i have baught Dell poweredge SC1420 |
| 10:09.28 | marenz | tralala < 50% |
| 10:09.35 | somian[0] | jelly-home: could be ;-) |
| 10:09.37 | krinns | does debain etch supports Dell |
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| 10:09.50 | force | anyone know what board supports pc2-9600 ram? |
| 10:09.52 | krinns | i have SATA hard disks and intel built in NIC |
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| 10:10.04 | somian[0] | krinns: crunchy maltose willful bangles? |
| 10:10.15 | krinns | what |
| 10:10.16 | krinns | ? |
| 10:10.28 | tralala | marenz, maybe the system bus is the bottleneck. I assume your gpu uses shared memory. |
| 10:10.34 | geo-rge | krinns: deb married ian, not ain :) |
| 10:10.34 | eifzon | valdyn: hi |
| 10:10.36 | jelly-home | somian[0]: I just don't want to say find /dir -print0 | xargs -0 recode ... then have user come back crying when things go wrong |
| 10:10.38 | marenz | it does, yes |
| 10:10.46 | DawnLight | somian[0]: debian is 192.168.34.1 and win2k is 192.168.34.2. netmask in both is 255.255.255.0 and gateway in win2k is debian address. what is should i put as gateway in the debian interface? |
| 10:10.54 | marenz | tralala, but i use a very minimal window manager, there are now effects or stuff |
| 10:11.07 | DawnLight | and another question is how do i make NAT? |
| 10:11.12 | krinns | its typo sorry |
| 10:11.18 | krinns | but wht abt my qiuestion |
| 10:11.19 | tralala | marenz, try putting the memory under stress using some kind of benchmarking software and see if you have the same problem |
| 10:11.20 | somian[0] | Anybody going to tell DawnLight that i already answered that? |
| 10:11.23 | peter__ | tralala, hark so, if ati dont see fglrx drivers on new debian system, without fglrx one-liner it cant load fglrx. Yes? Thats why for example my x700 mobility starts as black screen... cause "ati" dont load fglrx drivers, cause there isnt fglrx drivers on system. Am I right? |
| 10:11.23 | geo-rge | DawnLight: and the gateway address? |
| 10:11.28 | marenz | tralala, ok |
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| 10:11.46 | eifzon | anyone here using xcompmgr on debian/fluxbox? |
| 10:12.27 | geo-rge | (hint... your gateway has to be within 192.168.34.*) |
| 10:12.31 | jelly-home | DawnLight: you don't put any gateway on the internal-network interface of the router machine |
| 10:12.36 | valdyn | eifzon: still not working? |
| 10:13.25 | eifzon | valdyn: could't try the other option yesterday :D |
| 10:13.30 | eifzon | valdyn: mother come and yelled at night |
| 10:13.38 | valdyn | ops |
| 10:13.40 | eifzon | valdyn: but hmm, what shall it say in my .xsession ? |
| 10:13.41 | geo-rge | was night scared? |
| 10:13.45 | eifzon | /usr/bin/xcompmgr -c -f & |
| 10:13.50 | eifzon | geo-rge: time was 03:59 :P |
| 10:13.55 | valdyn | eifzon: yea |
| 10:13.58 | eifzon | geo-rge: and i was making noises |
| 10:14.00 | eifzon | valdyn: what more? |
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| 10:14.09 | tralala | peter__, if your chipset is not supported by radeon you need to install fglrx. The one liner will take care of it. |
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| 10:14.16 | valdyn | eifzon: exec /usr/bin/fluxbox |
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| 10:14.25 | shpchp | where is the lspci? |
| 10:14.32 | eifzon | ok valdyn i try restart |
| 10:14.38 | shpchp | apt-file search lspci got nothing |
| 10:14.40 | valdyn | eifzon: do verify that xcompmgr really is in /usr/bin/ though |
| 10:14.51 | shpchp | apt-cache search lspci also got nothing |
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| 10:15.18 | eifzon | valdyn: it is in there but still dont working, X is starting now |
| 10:15.28 | peter__ | tralala, now I understand everything :)... so, where can I find out what graphic cards are working on "radeon" drivers? |
| 10:15.34 | jelly-home | !tell shpchp about search |
| 10:15.40 | valdyn | eifzon: need some more info than 'not working' |
| 10:15.40 | marenz | tralala, the program "stress" spawning 2 memory stresser also gets the mouse lagging |
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| 10:15.50 | hark | peter__: ah, you're the mesa dude. well, check man radeon to see if it supports that card, or install fglrx divers and change ati to fglrx in your xorg.conf |
| 10:15.57 | eifzon | valdyn: it's not AUTOStarting |
| 10:15.59 | tralala | peter__, in man radeon |
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| 10:16.11 | force | shpchp: try pciutils package |
| 10:16.16 | valdyn | eifzon: what isnt? how does X look after its started? |
| 10:16.22 | geo-rge | peter__: tell your config to load radeon driver, start your x, watch the log |
| 10:16.22 | jelly-home | shpchp: oh, sorry. if apt-file returned nothing, did you remember to do apt-file update first? |
| 10:16.24 | eifzon | valdyn: fine, but xcompmgr wont load |
| 10:16.28 | peter__ | hark, yes, I heard there are few legends about me ;) |
| 10:16.34 | hark | peter__: since vesa works for you iirc |
| 10:16.36 | tralala | marenz, are the other gpu operations lagging as well? |
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| 10:16.48 | peter__ | hark, fglrx works fine on my x700 |
| 10:16.52 | valdyn | eifzon: you haven't picked the default X session in gdm |
| 10:17.11 | hark | peter__: cool :) |
| 10:17.19 | valdyn | eifzon: if the session is still 'fluxbox', then it will start just that, and not read ~/.xsession |
| 10:17.42 | shpchp | okay. got it |
| 10:18.02 | DawnLight | i've upgraded some packages to the testing version. is there a command that will downgrade all packages to stable? |
| 10:18.06 | eifzon | valdyn: ahh! let me do it |
| 10:18.56 | tralala | DawnLight, /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 10:19.22 | DukeDrake | perl says LANGUAGE = "de_DE@euro", but $LANGUAGE is "de_DE.UTF-8@euro" - how can I solve this? |
| 10:19.30 | eifzon | valdyn: i did choose defualt x session, still dont start |
| 10:19.35 | marenz | tralala, yes i think they do, just checking |
| 10:19.59 | valdyn | eifzon: 'chmod +x ~/.xsession' |
| 10:20.17 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 10:20.17 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 10:20.29 | marenz | tralala, yes they do |
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| 10:20.47 | marenz | tralala, the whole laptop is so slow, s.th. must be wrong there |
| 10:20.58 | valdyn | eifzon: execute that above command, i forgot that part. It needs to be executabl |
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| 10:21.07 | MangosDebian | so, who's up for some COOOOOFFFFEEE! :) |
| 10:21.57 | utopia_ | coffee & a splif, yeah :) |
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| 10:22.14 | eifzon | yes it works now valdyn |
| 10:22.14 | utopia_ | amsterdam > * |
| 10:22.29 | eifzon | btw valdyn, i did name the first file to xession, didnt saw that :D |
| 10:22.34 | eifzon | valdyn: think that was the problem -_- |
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| 10:22.44 | marenz | tralala, i go and check if it happens with my older kernel also |
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| 10:24.06 | tralala | marenz, it seems that the memory bus is not capable of handling all the traffic. |
| 10:24.27 | GreaseMonkey | night all |
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| 10:25.35 | tralala | this is not unusual for shared memory gpus - the gpu is quite demanding for bandwidth |
| 10:26.14 | marenz | tralala, there is an option called PCI access mode (Any) could it be related? |
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| 10:27.53 | OradeaCity | hello :) |
| 10:28.04 | OradeaCity | I saw i have this port opened: 411/tcp open rmt |
| 10:28.08 | OradeaCity | what means ? :) |
| 10:28.17 | OradeaCity | what is rmt ? |
| 10:28.52 | wols | OradeaCity: as root netstat -anp |grep 411 |
| 10:29.30 | OradeaCity | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:411 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2565/verlihub |
| 10:29.31 | tralala | marenz, I don't really know but I guess it's worth playing with the related parameters. It's propbably even more worth googling for performance hints. |
| 10:29.41 | OradeaCity | but verlihub .. it`s on port 4111 |
| 10:29.48 | marenz | alright |
| 10:30.17 | valdyn | marenz: which is your gfx driver? |
| 10:30.29 | marenz | savage# |
| 10:30.31 | marenz | -# |
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| 10:31.07 | valdyn | marenz: that's pci or agp already? |
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| 10:31.37 | londan | those apps that i listed in /etc/sudoers still pop-up a login window. what's wrong? |
| 10:31.50 | OradeaCity | I don`t know why.. but i can set verlihub with 411 port :( |
| 10:31.57 | marenz | valdyn, i am not sure, its an older T23 laptop. it shows up under lspci as 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR (rev 05) |
| 10:32.08 | OradeaCity | *I can`t |
| 10:32.10 | valdyn | marenz: try ls /dev/agpgart |
| 10:32.18 | wols | OradeaCity: it is on port 411. look harder |
| 10:32.24 | valdyn | marenz: and 'lspci' would list an agp bridge if one was there |
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| 10:32.50 | marenz | nope only pci and isa bridge |
| 10:33.07 | wols | valdyn: no |
| 10:33.10 | marenz | you cmd outputs: /dev/agpgart |
| 10:33.10 | OradeaCity | wols: now it`s on 4111, when i put it on 411 gives me this: *** Connection refused by target machine |
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| 10:33.30 | valdyn | wols: no what? |
| 10:33.31 | wols | lspci doesn't necessarily list an agp bridge, but it being on PCI bus 01 shows it's agp |
| 10:33.41 | wols | 12:29 < OradeaCity> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:411 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2565/verlihub |
| 10:33.48 | wols | this clearly shows: port 411, |
| 10:33.53 | valdyn | wols: ok |
| 10:33.59 | OradeaCity | but it not !!!! |
| 10:34.01 | OradeaCity | *is |
| 10:34.20 | wols | OradeaCity: so you say netstat doesn't show you the right info? |
| 10:34.29 | valdyn | marenz: makes bus congestion at least at that bus more unlikely.. |
| 10:35.03 | OradeaCity | wols: do you think I`m idiot ? .. my verlihub is on port 4111, because 411 i can`t use. and I don`t know why : |
| 10:35.19 | marenz | valdyn, i just found out that i haven'T compiled ISA support, is that related? |
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| 10:35.25 | valdyn | marenz: no |
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| 10:35.42 | wols | OradeaCity: in fact, I do think you are. either that or you lied in your netstat paste |
| 10:35.57 | OradeaCity | do you want print screen ?:| |
| 10:36.15 | londan | those apps that i listed in /etc/sudoers still pop-up a login window. what's wrong? |
| 10:36.15 | solemnwarning | Are ALL rsync options supported when connecting to a listening rsyncd? |
| 10:36.24 | solemnwarning | Checksums, permissions, atribs, ect |
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| 10:36.57 | marenz_ | re |
| 10:36.59 | marenz_ | grml |
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| 10:37.30 | Suprano | <- marenz :) |
| 10:37.57 | xand | no really |
| 10:38.22 | OradeaCity | bye bye ... This channel is full of idiots, especially wols. |
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| 10:39.11 | valdyn | Suprano: uh, you might not have udev installed.., what does 'cat /dev/agpgart' do? |
| 10:40.00 | Suprano | cat: /dev/agpgart: Das Argument ist ungültig |
| 10:40.13 | valdyn | Suprano: good, that's agp support |
| 10:40.15 | rlc` | sup |
| 10:40.16 | solemnwarning | I've got a backup server, it currentlly uses rsync over SSH, but it's too slow |
| 10:40.46 | solemnwarning | What would be the best for speed? rsh? rsyncd? |
| 10:40.47 | rlc` | ok |
| 10:40.51 | valdyn | solemnwarning: checksumming IS slow? |
| 10:41.04 | solemnwarning | SSH encryption IS slow :) |
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| 10:41.22 | Suprano | valdyn, root 2031 0.0 0.0 2400 140 ? S<s 11:39 0:00 udevd --daemon but that doesn't mean udev is really compiled in, right? |
| 10:41.25 | solemnwarning | Since SSH takes over half the CPU I'm pretty sure the encryption is the main issue |
| 10:41.49 | valdyn | Suprano: doesnt matter, i was just first assuming that the existance of /dev/agpgart implied agp support. |
| 10:42.06 | valdyn | Suprano: that 'cat /dev/agpgart' just verified that you actualy have a working /dev/agpgart |
| 10:42.15 | Suprano | k |
| 10:42.28 | tralala | solemnwarning, do you think computing is the bottleneck? I'd put my bet on the network. |
| 10:42.36 | solemnwarning | I'd bet on SSH |
| 10:42.49 | solemnwarning | The backup server is using ~60% average CPU on sshd during transfers |
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| 10:43.00 | solemnwarning | It took about an hour to transfer 10GiB over 10/100 ethernet |
| 10:43.16 | solemnwarning | The sender was only using 1% CPU on ssh |
| 10:43.28 | valdyn | solemnwarning: 60% isnt a bottleneck.. |
| 10:43.38 | solemnwarning | It is when the load average passes 3 |
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| 10:43.54 | solemnwarning | valdyn: It's using all the CPU time for pointless encryption |
| 10:44.08 | valdyn | solemnwarning: sure, maybe, but its not actually slowing it down |
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| 10:44.23 | solemnwarning | If it wasn't slowing it down why would it take so long? |
| 10:44.47 | tralala | solemnwarning, 10G in an hour sounds reasonable. I don't think you'll make it faster without ssh. |
| 10:44.49 | solemnwarning | SSH using 60% CPU leaves none for rsync/md ect |
| 10:44.49 | valdyn | solemnwarning: 60% cpu usage means that there are 40% free -> it could compute more |
| 10:45.03 | embrik | I've bought myself an external hd for my laptop. This is a regular 2,5" ide hd, in a cartidge with usb-connection. How do i format it? |
| 10:45.03 | solemnwarning | valdyn: No, 60% on SSH _alone_ |
| 10:45.20 | solemnwarning | The other 40% is being fought over by rsync,md,ect |
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| 10:45.32 | valdyn | solemnwarning: that's 2 MB per second, that's not excessiviely low for a 100mbit network |
| 10:45.37 | Suprano | valdyn, i use an encrypted LVM, is this related? |
| 10:45.42 | Exy | valdyn, Yes it is... |
| 10:45.48 | valdyn | solemnwarning: though it certainly isnt good, but i would probably look into the network cabling too |
| 10:45.55 | solemnwarning | valdyn: It is when you're planning on adding a huge disk to the server and storing a lot |
| 10:46.02 | solemnwarning | Short ethenet? |
| 10:46.15 | solemnwarning | I can get high speeds between my machine and the server |
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| 10:46.30 | valdyn | Exy: it is what? cheap switch, cheap hw, cheap cables, he cant expect to cap 100mbit |
| 10:46.33 | xand | solemnwarning: what spec is the machine? |
| 10:46.36 | xand | (server) |
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| 10:46.43 | solemnwarning | Which server? :) |
| 10:46.50 | tralala | solemnwarning, is the server using software raid? Because this could very well cause a bottleneck? |
| 10:46.50 | solemnwarning | The backup server or the real server? |
| 10:46.52 | xand | solemnwarning: and yes, it'll be ssh that's the bottleneck on a slow server |
| 10:47.01 | xand | the one with 60% CPU for ssh |
| 10:47.01 | embrik | how do I format an external harddrive? |
| 10:47.05 | solemnwarning | The backup server is a PIII 450 |
| 10:47.12 | solemnwarning | With 3x disks in RAID-5 atm |
| 10:47.25 | Exy | valdyn, "that's not excessiviely low for a 100mbit network" |
| 10:47.39 | solemnwarning | Hey Exy |
| 10:47.51 | solemnwarning | Are you the one who told me the PRO/100 wouldan't work in ##hardware? :) |
| 10:47.52 | Exy | valdyn, Even my crappy Wireless G can get up to 2.7MB/s |
| 10:47.56 | tralala | solemnwarning, what raid? software? |
| 10:48.01 | solemnwarning | tralala: yeah |
| 10:48.14 | solemnwarning | I get get way higher disk read/write speeds then what the backup gets though |
| 10:48.25 | Exy | solemnwarning, Yeah. Turns out theres various reversions of that card, which explains why people are reporting different success with it, they just never changed the name over time |
| 10:48.27 | solemnwarning | 2MB/s is just slow |
| 10:48.35 | solemnwarning | Exy: Ah |
| 10:48.53 | solemnwarning | The md process doesn't use much time |
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| 10:48.59 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ok - so use the rsync daemon |
| 10:49.04 | solemnwarning | valdyn: Ok |
| 10:49.11 | solemnwarning | I wasn't sure if rsyncd supported all options :) |
| 10:49.20 | tralala | solemnwarning, well when you combine all the factors - slow cpu, sw raid, encryption, etc. - it adds up. |
| 10:49.34 | solemnwarning | tralala: Yeah |
| 10:49.49 | solemnwarning | But since ~60% CPU is wasted on SSH I think that's the main bottleneck :) |
| 10:50.04 | valdyn | solemnwarning: what's the total cpu load though? |
| 10:50.09 | valdyn | solemnwarning: 100% ? |
| 10:50.10 | solemnwarning | 100% ofc |
| 10:50.20 | solemnwarning | The load average goes above 3 during backups |
| 10:50.21 | tralala | I don't think ssh will get 60% without the software raid though |
| 10:50.22 | solemnwarning | Maybe 4 |
| 10:50.47 | valdyn | solemnwarning: load avg is not very relevant |
| 10:50.54 | tralala | btw did you measure scp? |
| 10:50.58 | valdyn | solemnwarning: 100% cpu usage is |
| 10:51.08 | solemnwarning | tralala: scp as in SFTP? |
| 10:51.24 | valdyn | solemnwarning: same thing, 2 frontends |
| 10:51.24 | tralala | scp as in scp, but sftp should do as well |
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| 10:51.44 | MangosDebian | COFFEEEEEE! |
| 10:52.01 | solemnwarning | Copying a 937MiB file, speed is 1.1MiB/s |
| 10:52.13 | solemnwarning | A tad slow for 10/100 methinks |
| 10:52.14 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: ouch. usb? |
| 10:52.16 | valdyn | solemnwarning: at 100% cpu usage? |
| 10:52.46 | solemnwarning | SSH is taking ~40% |
| 10:53.00 | xand | embrik: usb? |
| 10:53.07 | solemnwarning | It's weird the system is pretty idle for this transfer but SSH was whoring the CPU for the backup |
| 10:53.13 | tralala | solemnwarning, and the total? 100%? |
| 10:53.25 | solemnwarning | tralala: Nowhere near |
| 10:53.28 | solemnwarning | <50% |
| 10:53.40 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: this over 10mbit? |
| 10:53.44 | solemnwarning | Does rsync transfer a lot more through SSH then sftp or somthing? |
| 10:53.45 | valdyn | solemnwarning: so.. you surely have another bottleneck |
| 10:53.49 | solemnwarning | MangosDebian: 100mbit |
| 10:54.00 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: are you sure your in fast ether mode? |
| 10:54.25 | solemnwarning | How do I check? |
| 10:54.25 | tralala | solemnwarning, it's your sw raid - rsync does a lot of IO and it messes up with your raid |
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| 10:54.33 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: mii tools |
| 10:54.38 | solemnwarning | tralala: And uploading a 900meg file doesn't? |
| 10:54.51 | solemnwarning | eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 10:54.52 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: also, to check your hd bottleneck, try hdparm -t |
| 10:55.18 | solemnwarning | Should I test each disk or the RAID device? |
| 10:55.21 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: and check the sending machine as well of course |
| 10:55.30 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: only test the fs your xfering to /from |
| 10:55.31 | valdyn | solemnwarning: the raid device |
| 10:55.31 | tralala | solemnwarning, not the way rsync does - you see rsync has to check for modifications before syncing. Copying doesn't do that. |
| 10:55.57 | solemnwarning | tralala: Yeah, but if I/O was the bottleneck why would SSH be hogging the CPU? |
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| 10:56.17 | solemnwarning | /dev/md2: Timing buffered disk reads: 72 MB in 3.07 seconds = 23.48 MB/sec |
| 10:56.22 | valdyn | solemnwarning: i/o is not cpu bound |
| 10:56.33 | solemnwarning | valdyn: But why would it cause SSH to whore the CPU? |
| 10:56.34 | tralala | valdyn, it is on sw raid |
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| 10:56.36 | xand | solemnwarning: copy over netcat or something and see if it's faster |
| 10:56.38 | solemnwarning | Wouldan't it block on I/O? |
| 10:56.42 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 10:57.05 | valdyn | tralala: right, but his slow disks are still a small deal for his cpu obviously |
| 10:57.08 | xand | if it's fast to another faster machine, i bet its the ssh |
| 10:57.23 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: well, even with software raid cpu usage + ssh + rsync, you should still get more than 1mb/s |
| 10:57.51 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: what about the machine your transfering from? anything else on the network etc. any other unknowns your not telling us about? |
| 10:58.03 | valdyn | solemnwarning: we are getting seriously contradicting data from you |
| 10:58.08 | tralala | solemnwarning, is this 10G composed of lots of files? |
| 10:58.25 | valdyn | solemnwarning: more than 2 megs per sec on rsync over ssh and 1.1 on plain scp - that doesnt make sense |
| 10:58.28 | solemnwarning | tralala: Yeah, the backup is a copy of the server's filesystems |
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| 10:59.03 | tonima | solemnwarning: check your nic's duplex |
| 10:59.11 | solemnwarning | eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 10:59.34 | tonima | solemnwarning: ethtool <eth> |
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| 10:59.41 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: and the 50 times ive asked you about the second machine you've ignored me, yet you answer me instantly when i ask about the problem machine.... |
| 10:59.41 | solemnwarning | My shell to the backup server is veeeeeeeerrrrrrrrryyyy slow while copying with netcat |
| 10:59.48 | WindowsUninstall | Hi all |
| 10:59.50 | tralala | solemnwarning, are you sure your network has enough free capacity for higher speeds? |
| 10:59.52 | solemnwarning | MangosDebian: What ? |
| 10:59.56 | tonima | solemnwarning: and duplex from switch |
| 10:59.57 | solemnwarning | tralala: Yeah |
| 11:00.02 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: do everything on the machine your getting all this from |
| 11:00.10 | valdyn | solemnwarning: that can be caused by network congestion |
| 11:00.11 | WindowsUninstall | I've a question: postfix on debian runs in a jail: where is its root? |
| 11:00.16 | valdyn | solemnwarning: that slow shell |
| 11:00.30 | solemnwarning | valdyn: Maybe my IRC shell on the other server is using all the bandwidth? :P |
| 11:00.53 | valdyn | solemnwarning: uh? you netcat is |
| 11:00.53 | tonima | solemnwarning: put a machine on same lan, if it works well, your lan is ok |
| 11:00.55 | solemnwarning | CPU on backup host is mostly 100% idle during netcat copy |
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| 11:01.11 | valdyn | solemnwarning: now what's the transfer rate on netcat? |
| 11:01.16 | solemnwarning | I'm not sure |
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| 11:01.19 | solemnwarning | It's not done yet |
| 11:01.49 | tonima | solemnwarning: and does ifconfig show any errors or collisions? |
| 11:01.51 | MangosDebian | valdyn: check your window #1 |
| 11:01.58 | WindowsUninstall | Is /var/spool/postfix/ the postifix jail? |
| 11:01.59 | tralala | I've been able to get ~5MiB/s of scp on PII@366 with 54Mbit wlan so I don't think ssh is the problem. |
| 11:02.17 | solemnwarning | hmm |
| 11:02.25 | solemnwarning | I think I did the nc command wrong |
| 11:02.33 | solemnwarning | nc is still running after the transfer finished |
| 11:02.46 | solemnwarning | tonima: Nope |
| 11:03.06 | valdyn | MangosDebian: he's been working on this a whole day already |
| 11:03.07 | tralala | solemnwarning, use pipeview to monitor the transfer speed (pv) |
| 11:03.11 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: did you even test the machine you are coping from? |
| 11:03.17 | solemnwarning | MangosDebian: What test? |
| 11:03.22 | solemnwarning | the hdparm? |
| 11:03.27 | MangosDebian | valdyn: ya, most trolls are persistent :) |
| 11:03.31 | solemnwarning | >_> |
| 11:04.04 | solemnwarning | /dev/sda: Timing buffered disk reads: 222 MB in 3.01 seconds = 73.76 MB/sec |
| 11:04.08 | solemnwarning | That fast enough? :) |
| 11:04.08 | MangosDebian | solemnwarning: cpu usage, network usage, hd performance |
| 11:04.25 | solemnwarning | The X2 I'm currently on is doing practically nothing |
| 11:04.31 | MangosDebian | assuming thats even the right machine... |
| 11:04.48 | solemnwarning | That's my workstation, I'm currently sending from here to the backup server |
| 11:04.53 | MangosDebian | well, good luck with your problem :) |
| 11:05.06 | solemnwarning | My workstation AND the server get slow transfer to the backup server over SSH |
| 11:05.08 | MangosDebian | dpkg! |
| 11:05.09 | tralala | and you've got only these two machines in the network? |
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| 11:05.30 | MangosDebian | dpkg: wb |
| 11:05.30 | dpkg | thanks, mangosdebian. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:05.36 | solemnwarning | I've got several, but both machines are slow when sending to the backup over SSH so maybe it's the backup end :P |
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| 11:06.52 | tralala | well, try using rsync directly over tcp and see the cpu usage on the backup server |
| 11:07.10 | solemnwarning | I'll try in a sec |
| 11:07.36 | solemnwarning | What nc command should I use to send a file to a TCP port and exit as soon as it's done? |
| 11:07.42 | solemnwarning | cat file | nc didn't exit |
| 11:07.46 | tralala | is the fs sync expected to be many gigs for every sync? |
| 11:07.56 | solemnwarning | tralala: At times |
| 11:08.11 | solemnwarning | I'm planning on adding a big disk to my server and storing most stuff on it |
| 11:08.15 | tralala | nc -q0 |
| 11:08.21 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
| 11:08.22 | tralala | don't use cat, use pv |
| 11:08.43 | tralala | actually, not |
| 11:08.50 | tralala | pv is to be used on the receiving end |
| 11:09.22 | Ranpha1 | question i my main root drive spins down and goes into standby , and debian is on and not working (fileserver with nothing to do) will it crash when i fill in a command then? |
| 11:09.39 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 11:09.47 | solemnwarning | What pv command do I need on the recv end? |
| 11:10.04 | tralala | Ranpha1, how do you "fill in a command"? |
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| 11:10.35 | Ranpha1 | tralala well a ssh login or a rsync command |
| 11:11.54 | tralala | Ranpha1, normally the disk would spin up if needed and nothing should crash. |
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| 11:12.45 | MangosDebian | rofl, a real mans world -> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/05/man-up-with-the-ford-falcon-xr8-ute/ |
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| 11:12.58 | nantes_geek | hi everybod |
| 11:13.08 | nantes_geek | i have a debian on an ibook ppc |
| 11:13.24 | nantes_geek | it's running very well, but ... |
| 11:13.48 | nantes_geek | when i try to use vlc to have the freebox streaming, i have got an error |
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| 11:14.09 | nantes_geek | ygcheny@geekbook:~$ vlc |
| 11:14.10 | nantes_geek | VLC media player 0.8.6a Janus |
| 11:14.10 | nantes_geek | Instruction illégale |
| 11:14.19 | nantes_geek | it's rtsp streaming |
| 11:14.32 | Ranpha1 | tralala also if the device you're running it on has lo ram? |
| 11:14.49 | solemnwarning | tralala: pv is showing average speed of ~10MB/s on the recv host |
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| 11:15.15 | solemnwarning | Which is pretty good for RAID-5 on ATA-66 disks over 10/100 ^^ |
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| 11:15.49 | valdyn | solemnwarning: when transferring what? |
| 11:15.57 | solemnwarning | A tar archive from my machine |
| 11:16.11 | solemnwarning | I think it proves the bottleneck isn't disk on network though :) |
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| 11:16.31 | valdyn | solemnwarning: if you let it run long enogh to make caching effects irrelevant |
| 11:16.39 | tralala | solemnwarning, rsync transfers are quite different than netcat transfers though. |
| 11:16.51 | solemnwarning | tralala: Yeah |
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| 11:17.07 | solemnwarning | But it's hard to belive 80% of I/O would be used by non-file stuff :) |
| 11:17.19 | tralala | valdyn, on the receiving end there shouldn't be any caching effects |
| 11:18.00 | valdyn | tralala: sure there are |
| 11:18.04 | Internat | howdy, im looking for an easy way to make some templates in bash. Basicly i want to have a file with say some variables in it, like $1 $2 $3 that i run and program x and it will output me a file with that in it |
| 11:18.10 | valdyn | tralala: unless his test command called fsync |
| 11:18.32 | valdyn | tralala: for a plain network benchmark you're right though... |
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| 11:19.10 | tralala | oh, right - I was thinking network |
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| 11:20.46 | khermans | how do i get APT to tell me which source the latest version of a package is coming from? |
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| 11:21.18 | valdyn | khermans: apt-get source |
| 11:21.37 | quasisane | apt-cache policy packagename |
| 11:21.41 | khermans | valdyn, no what i mean is for instance, if i added another APT source to sources.list |
| 11:21.46 | khermans | it could be in two places |
| 11:21.54 | tralala | khermans, the policy command above |
| 11:22.09 | khermans | valdyn, tralala very nice thx! |
| 11:22.28 | tralala | khermans, it quasisane you should be thanking ;) |
| 11:22.34 | quasisane | yw :) |
| 11:22.43 | tralala | hehe |
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| 11:24.41 | solemnwarning | When using rsyncd, should the client path be in relation to the path in rsyncd.conf or relevent to /? |
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| 11:31.21 | khermans | quasisane, :-P thx thx |
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| 11:34.17 | mobal | hi everybody |
| 11:34.34 | mobal | fisrt i just installed debian 4.0 etch and this operation system is awful! |
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| 11:34.51 | peter__ | hark, what about using old cards like riva tnt / riva tnt 2 ? |
| 11:35.11 | Chris_abyi | hey! I still got thunderbird as mail client running - does anyone here probably know how I could backup my mails and accout settings? I didnt find any possibility!? |
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| 11:35.36 | khermans | Chris_abyi, ~/. ? |
| 11:35.45 | xand | Chris_abyi: copy your profile |
| 11:36.02 | xand | O.o |
| 11:36.07 | peter__ | mobal, install windows xp :) |
| 11:36.14 | Chris_abyi | hm...but what's about the mails and so on? |
| 11:36.19 | xand | mobal: this what? |
| 11:36.20 | mobal | i have xp too |
| 11:36.30 | khermans | Chris_abyi, its all in there dude |
| 11:36.31 | xand | Chris_abyi: copy your profile |
| 11:36.38 | valdyn | mobal: delete debian so you dont get exposed to its awfulness |
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| 11:36.39 | mobal | wtf |
| 11:36.47 | valdyn | mobal: and hurry |
| 11:36.55 | mobal | oh sorry i'm used wrong word really |
| 11:37.00 | mobal | not awful cool :$ |
| 11:37.04 | mobal | ^^ |
| 11:37.10 | valdyn | mobal: awesome |
| 11:37.23 | mobal | yess thanks :D |
| 11:37.27 | mobal | awesome :D |
| 11:37.37 | mobal | sorry oncemore |
| 11:37.38 | Chris_abyi | okay..just to get sure: You mean my home directory with profile, don't you?? |
| 11:37.41 | tim__b | i got the following problem: some host is hammering my debian sarge machine. is there a way to block some specific ip on all ports? |
| 11:38.01 | khermans | Chris_abyi, no just your ~/.mozilla folder or whatever |
| 11:38.15 | khermans | i dont use TB, so im not sure of the directory |
| 11:38.26 | khermans | but i have dont it in the past |
| 11:38.45 | khermans | tim__b, SYN Flood? |
| 11:38.58 | Chris_abyi | ah okay... do you also know if these files later work with icedove? |
| 11:39.01 | khermans | depends on attack |
| 11:39.02 | mobal | so |
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| 11:39.23 | mobal | how can i install glxgears? for opengl diagnostic |
| 11:39.33 | tim__b | khermans, sorry, i don't know. i'm new to debian. i have some service on one specific port which got hammered with some random login data |
| 11:39.38 | khermans | Chris_abyi, you cant just drop them in i wouldnt think, but try exporting to something useful |
| 11:39.48 | khermans | tim__b, ssh? |
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| 11:40.04 | Arafangion | tim__b: Is the port being hammered ssh, that is. |
| 11:40.25 | xand | tim__b: yes, iptables |
| 11:40.26 | tim__b | khermans, psybnc irc bouncer service on some random port, not ssh |
| 11:40.30 | khermans | tim__b, yeah if it is ssh then there are tools like denyhosts and sshblock |
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| 11:40.45 | khermans | tim__b, is it a public service? |
| 11:40.57 | khermans | or just ofr you? |
| 11:41.07 | tim__b | just for me and a hand full of friends |
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| 11:41.12 | xand | tim__b: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP |
| 11:41.16 | cydork | tim__b: does it have a log? |
| 11:41.32 | khermans | then use SPA or portknocking or some IP-based firwall rule |
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| 11:41.36 | cydork | tim__b: if yes checkout fail2ban |
| 11:41.42 | tim__b | Fri Jul 6 13:39:33 :Failed Authentification for $hosthere |
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| 11:41.56 | tim__b | no normal log service i guess |
| 11:41.57 | xand | tim__b: the above command will drop all traffic from ip 1.2.3.4 |
| 11:41.58 | khermans | tim__b, block the port |
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| 11:42.16 | xand | or do you mean in general |
| 11:42.47 | tim__b | it's always the same ip for one day now, i think i try the iptables block |
| 11:42.54 | khermans | tim__b, just block the port to all hosts, and only allow the ones you want |
| 11:43.08 | khermans | xand, maintaining deny rules is useless |
| 11:43.36 | xand | depends on the server |
| 11:43.41 | tim__b | khermans, can give me some specific advice, please |
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| 11:43.45 | superlinux | i have an ultrasparc 440 MHz box and i bought a PCI NIC which usually runs on intel normally and smoothly. when i installed it on the ultrasparc it's not listed using lspci. so does that mean that the pci network card must be a sparc comaptible? |
| 11:44.00 | xand | I deny by default using iptables, but on a more public server that wouldn't work |
| 11:44.36 | xand | superlinux: not really but some sun hardware is fussy about it |
| 11:44.51 | superlinux | xand, ok. |
| 11:45.15 | superlinux | i want a new NIC PCI for that box |
| 11:45.20 | Ranpha1 | Can SSH connect to a mac address ? |
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| 11:45.34 | xand | Ranpha1: no |
| 11:45.34 | khermans | tim__b, google SPA single packet |
| 11:45.45 | tim__b | khermans, thanks, will do so |
| 11:46.31 | superlinux | xand where can i find sparc parts in Australia. plz not google!! i get confused online |
| 11:46.31 | Ranpha1 | xand and a tool where i can ping/scan or whatever the macaddres to get a ipaddress then? |
| 11:46.41 | xand | superlinux: try a different card |
| 11:47.07 | xand | superlinux: the "standard" network cards I have work in my sun box |
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| 11:47.21 | xand | Ranpha1: depends, only if it's on the same subnet |
| 11:47.46 | superlinux | xand it really works smoothly with latest stable debian without any need to compile or anything, just PLUG /and/ play |
| 11:47.58 | xand | look in dmesg |
| 11:48.13 | superlinux | on the intel box i meant |
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| 11:49.03 | khermans | Ranpha1, google OSI mdoel |
| 11:49.27 | khermans | ... heh and then click the "Did you mean?" |
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| 11:49.49 | superlinux | ok then .. what will be the price of the Sun Happy Meal NIC? (as a joke i think from MCdonalds i must get it) |
| 11:49.51 | chris_alt | ahm..how can I copy hidden files with cp? |
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| 11:50.18 | khermans | Chris_abyi, why dont you just use cp -a ? |
| 11:50.19 | peter__ | God damned! Yesterday I have watched DVD movie in totem, now I says , there isnt plugin tu use DVD! WTF!? |
| 11:50.41 | wols | superlinux: ask ebay.com. they know |
| 11:50.49 | khermans | chris_alt, ^^ |
| 11:51.13 | khermans | peter__, maybe this DVD is encrypted, and other wasnt |
| 11:51.38 | peter__ | khermans, it is same DVD, |
| 11:51.40 | superlinux | wols ok |
| 11:51.44 | superlinux | i'll try |
| 11:51.48 | peter__ | khermans, I wanted to watch move again |
| 11:52.04 | khermans | peter__, lol then grab vlc and libdvdcss |
| 11:53.36 | chris_alt | khermans: please tell me :) I used cp -r ./.* .. but then he doesn't copy the subdirectories recursively |
| 11:53.57 | khermans | chris_alt, use cp -a, or man cp |
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| 11:55.09 | peter__ | khermans, libdvdcss was overwrite by other package... meaby thats the problem. How to check itd? |
| 11:55.11 | peter__ | it* |
| 11:55.21 | khermans | overwrite? |
| 11:55.28 | khermans | then i guess reinstall it |
| 11:55.35 | khermans | or add the plf repos |
| 11:55.37 | wols | peter__: what other package? |
| 11:55.42 | wols | khermans: no |
| 11:55.50 | khermans | wols, ? |
| 11:55.54 | peter__ | wols, it doesnt says |
| 11:55.55 | wols | use debian-multimedia.org |
| 11:56.03 | khermans | wols, or whatever he wants |
| 11:56.04 | peter__ | wols Im using |
| 11:56.08 | khermans | wols, its his choice |
| 11:56.23 | khermans | this is linux, not nazi germany |
| 11:56.26 | khermans | :-) |
| 11:56.35 | eifzon | hehe :D |
| 11:57.03 | wols | khermans: if he uses packages that overwrite other packages files, then his repos suckj |
| 11:57.12 | wols | and this is why oyu have to use dbeian-multimedia |
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| 11:57.19 | khermans | wols, i only use officially supported repos |
| 11:57.36 | khermans | but he can do whatever he wants, i wouldnt even use debian-multimedia myself |
| 11:58.22 | peter__ | wols, Im wondering, why does terminal language has been translated to my root language... right now, I get message in polish and you wont understand what is there writen... |
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| 11:59.29 | themill | peter__ LANGUAGE=en aptitude ... will normally do it |
| 11:59.33 | wols | LANG=C should do it |
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| 11:59.59 | superlinux | wols i found this page http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/contents.html |
| 12:00.06 | superlinux | keep it in the list |
| 12:00.27 | themill | wols: if LANGUAGE is also set then I think it overrides LANG. (or is it the other way around....) |
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| 12:02.35 | peter__ | wols, how to check, what package overwrited libdvdcss |
| 12:02.36 | peter__ | ? |
| 12:02.51 | wols | peter__: nothing will overwrite it with dpkg unless you force it to |
| 12:02.57 | wols | peter__: so what did you do? |
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| 12:03.47 | peter__ | wols, in the morning I "apt-get install dist-upgrade" (115MB) |
| 12:04.07 | wols | it still won't overwrite |
| 12:04.17 | peter__ | so I dont have any Idea |
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| 12:05.06 | wols | why is dpkg more intelligent than the average guy seeking help in here? |
| 12:05.15 | peter__ | ooo aptitude works |
| 12:05.18 | wols | I mean, Terminator future here we come |
| 12:06.03 | peter__ | wols dpkg was written by someone who knows about debian I guess... so we can says its like linux geek |
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| 12:06.32 | thyko | http://rafb.net/p/CMsEoy56.html |
| 12:06.37 | thyko | is that normal? |
| 12:06.37 | wols | dpkg is a bot |
| 12:06.52 | peter__ | wols, but someone has to write it |
| 12:06.54 | wols | themill: no |
| 12:07.05 | peter__ | wols, and, please, more patient... I were also lame at linux |
| 12:07.20 | peter__ | as same as you and others |
| 12:07.25 | themill | wols: in answer to which question? |
| 12:08.09 | peter__ | damn, unfortunatly it dont wont to start the movie :( |
| 12:08.37 | wols | themill: should have been thyko. my bad |
| 12:08.53 | tralala | peter__, dpkg's content is mostly user-generted |
| 12:08.55 | peter__ | great, now my external dont want to mount xDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 12:09.12 | themill | wols: that's fine :) |
| 12:09.13 | kensho | thyko: 'No route to host' ? |
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| 12:09.26 | peter__ | tralala, yes, but user has to know what he is talking about, to wrote informations that are in dpkg |
| 12:09.40 | themill | peter__: are you tracking sid? |
| 12:09.55 | superlinux | xand are u there still? |
| 12:09.56 | peter__ | themill, lenny/sid |
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| 12:10.11 | xand | superlinux: u isn't but I am |
| 12:10.21 | superlinux | just what is the name of the Network card that you have? |
| 12:10.33 | themill | peter__: Couuld your dist-upgrade have uninstalled lots of things? |
| 12:10.52 | superlinux | xand that's "Mind your langauge" stuff |
| 12:10.54 | superlinux | LOL! |
| 12:11.00 | tralala | peter__, sure, but it's the *users*, not the user |
| 12:11.09 | themill | peter__: /var/log/dpkg.log might help you |
| 12:11.31 | xand | erm, I've tried netgear, d-link and linksys and they've been OK in my sparc |
| 12:11.36 | peter__ | themill, yes 115MB |
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| 12:13.41 | themill | peter__: dist-upgrade will try to uninstall things as well as install things if there are conflicts. It may have uninstalled some of your dvd software as well as the external drive mount that you've found isn't working. |
| 12:13.54 | themill | peter__: /var/log/dpkg.log will list what it did |
| 12:13.58 | tralala | solemnwarning, how's the benchmarking going? |
| 12:14.30 | peter__ | themill, I have found list of packages, I have installed in the morning at aprox. 10 |
| 12:15.01 | themill | peter__: and if you used aptitude not apt-get then you'd have a nice log in /var/log/aptitude too that would be a bit more readable. |
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| 12:15.21 | peter__ | themill, I used apt-get |
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| 12:15.47 | themill | peter__: I know... that's why we're all encouraging you to use aptitude instead. |
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| 12:19.00 | peter__ | themill, how to uinstall things? |
| 12:19.01 | tralala | peter__, aptitude is the recommended front end since etch so unless you have a good reason don't use apt-get |
| 12:19.08 | peter__ | themill, uing dist-upgrade |
| 12:19.20 | xand | apt-get remove? |
| 12:19.24 | peter__ | tralala, !dpkg says to use apt-get |
| 12:19.38 | tralala | dpkg is outdated |
| 12:19.44 | valdyn | !dpkg |
| 12:19.44 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 12:19.52 | tralala | dpkg, you are outdated |
| 12:19.52 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, tralala |
| 12:19.54 | xand | !craptitude |
| 12:19.56 | xand | bah |
| 12:20.00 | cast | tralala: since the woody->sarge upgrade even :> |
| 12:20.04 | valdyn | !apt howto |
| 12:20.04 | dpkg | from memory, apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
| 12:20.54 | valdyn | dpkg: apt howto =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 12:20.54 | dpkg | valdyn: that doesn't contain 'apt-get' |
| 12:21.28 | peter__ | damn, I dont get it... if it works, why had someone to change it? yesterday I could mount my external USB disc, and watch movie on DVD, now I cant... |
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| 12:22.27 | themill | peter__: If you're tracking sid (or even lenny) then sometimes there will be incompatabilities between packages and some things will have to be uninstalled to do an upgrade. aptitude will always ask you if you really want to do that, though. |
| 12:22.29 | cmacis | Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble getting the wireless to work with my laptop and KWifimanager |
| 12:22.45 | wols | cmacis: what wlan chip? |
| 12:22.54 | cmacis | Wols: how do I find that? |
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| 12:23.00 | wols | lspci |
| 12:23.04 | peter__ | themill, http://pastebin.ca/605746 |
| 12:23.46 | wols | peter__: you are getting error messages. which ones? |
| 12:24.16 | cmacis | It looks like the wireless is 00: 06. 0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802. 11abg NIC (rev 01). Is that the information needed? |
| 12:24.33 | superlinux | xand so what NIC's do you have on your sparc? |
| 12:24.38 | superlinux | xand so what NIC's do you have on your sparc? |
| 12:24.44 | superlinux | sorry |
| 12:24.54 | wols | cmacis: yes. madwifi or ndiswrapper |
| 12:25.05 | cmacis | Ta |
| 12:25.25 | peter__ | wols, I launched it from terminal http://www.pastebin.ca/605753 |
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| 12:25.43 | themill | cmacis: knetworkmanager seems to be an easier front end to use than kwifimanager imho |
| 12:25.45 | peter__ | wols, in Totem it says something about "not plugin found" |
| 12:26.06 | wols | peter__: you don't have CSS support it seems |
| 12:26.07 | valdyn | peter__: uname -r |
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| 12:26.19 | zinkeldonk | I am trying to compile my own version of the clamav packages and clamav-base postinst is failing. Is there any way to put the install-time scripts into debug mode? |
| 12:26.35 | wols | zinkeldonk: /msg dpkg bat |
| 12:26.37 | peter__ | valdyn, 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:26.39 | valdyn | peter__: and ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 12:26.44 | xand | superlinux: I told you, I don't remember the exact models though |
| 12:26.59 | peter__ | valdyn, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-07-06 10:01 /dev/dvd -> hda |
| 12:27.02 | themill | peter__: looks like your device names may have changed. |
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| 12:27.13 | themill | peter__: ls -l /dev/hda |
| 12:27.29 | peter__ | themill, brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2007-07-06 10:01 /dev/hda |
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| 12:27.58 | themill | peter__: ok. it's not that then |
| 12:28.02 | valdyn | peter__: you may have unknowingly replaced totem-xine with totem-gstreamer or vica versa |
| 12:28.15 | valdyn | peter__: at least that would explain why something changed while you cant see what |
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| 12:28.26 | peter__ | valdyn, in log there is something about totem-xine and totem-gstreamer |
| 12:28.46 | peter__ | valdyn, it is with date and hour of my morning update |
| 12:28.53 | peter__ | upgrade* |
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| 12:29.18 | valdyn | peter__: well, waht is it? im sure it mentions a remove too if that happened |
| 12:29.50 | superlinux | xand thanks. sorry for the troubles. |
| 12:29.54 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 12:29.54 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 12:30.14 | peter__ | valdyn, log dont show that... |
| 12:30.21 | valdyn | peter__: and you want that ^^ for css etc |
| 12:30.33 | valdyn | peter__: dpkg -l totem-xine | tail -1 |
| 12:30.43 | valdyn | peter__: and dpkg -l totem-gstreamer | tail -1 |
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| 12:31.42 | peter__ | valdyn, and ? |
| 12:31.55 | tsimmes | Hey, when I run mplayer or bzflag I get "Segmentation fault", what can I do? |
| 12:32.03 | valdyn | peter__: what's the output? |
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| 12:32.31 | peter__ | valdyn, http://www.pastebin.ca/605763 |
| 12:32.32 | valdyn | tsimmes: try 'mplayer -vo x11 somemovie' instead |
| 12:33.36 | peter__ | valdyn, for totem-gstream http://www.pastebin.ca/605764 |
| 12:33.46 | tsimmes | valdyn, ok I'll try but what's about the bzflag? It seems that there's a bigger problem |
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| 12:34.02 | peter__ | valdyn, I know it is in polish, but what should I check on it ? |
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| 12:34.25 | valdyn | tsimmes: yea, sure, but bzflag does not have such a simple workaround |
| 12:34.53 | valdyn | peter__: totem-xine is installed, totem-gstreamer is not, you can try replacing 1st with 2nd |
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| 12:35.30 | peter__ | valdyn, ok |
| 12:36.05 | peter__ | valdyn, you mean to remove totem-xine and install totem-gstreamer ? |
| 12:36.20 | valdyn | peter__: just install, the removal happens automagically |
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| 12:37.25 | valdyn | tsimmes: on whih debian release is this, with which gfx chip? |
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| 12:39.24 | zinkeldonk | wols, I will do. Just cutting&pasting, but is there nowhere that the failed output of postinst scripts and friends put their output if any? |
| 12:39.42 | tsimmes | valdyn, it's testing with geforce 6200 |
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| 12:40.32 | peter__ | valdyn, it work. I mean the move... but when I want to open it from "application" -> "media" -> "Movie player" it says there isnt plugins to watch the movie |
| 12:41.00 | peter__ | valdyn, also, the dvd menu in movie didt opened... movie just start to play |
| 12:42.33 | superlinux | xand thanks |
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| 12:42.51 | wols | zinkeldonk: no |
| 12:43.00 | wols | you can do a set -x for example |
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| 12:43.33 | zinkeldonk | wols, In the script, ja. But where will that output end up on STDOUT? |
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| 12:44.45 | peter__ | valdyn, also, movie resolution is not as good as yesterday ;/ |
| 12:45.00 | wols | yes on stdout |
| 12:45.10 | wols | or stderr, dunno which actaully |
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| 12:45.17 | wols | and you still haven't pasted anything, have you? |
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| 12:45.46 | zinkeldonk | wols, about to, but this build takes soooo long to get to the point of failure... |
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| 12:46.38 | zinkeldonk | wols, thing is. If I run the apt-get install clamav-base manually, then it all works sweet, but I'm doing a dpkg --set-selections blaah |
| 12:46.59 | zinkeldonk | wols, then a yes| dselect install and it breaks at that point... |
| 12:47.00 | cmacis_ | Thank you so much. Now my wireless is working and reason #101 why Debian>Ubuntu is that it automatically found my network and detected the correct security type :D |
| 12:47.39 | tralala | there's no need to reason Debian > Ubuntu and that's it :) |
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| 12:48.35 | Arafangion | tralala: How about it being older and more mature? :) |
| 12:48.37 | Ranpha1 | how can i discover a static ip address of a device with no monitor connected to it. i made a typo when entering the ipaddress |
| 12:49.23 | Ranpha1 | NM |
| 12:49.46 | tralala | Arafangion, as I said there's no need to reason - it's just the way things are :) |
| 12:49.47 | peter__ | valdyn, I have remove gstreamer and install totem-xine again. Now it works fine |
| 12:50.06 | Arafangion | tralala: That too :) |
| 12:51.33 | solemnwarning | I can't unmount a filesystem, I get device is busy but lsof shows nothing using it |
| 12:51.47 | solemnwarning | ok, nvm |
| 12:51.53 | solemnwarning | I had another fs mounted inside it >.< |
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| 12:56.58 | indraveni | hi all |
| 12:57.05 | indraveni | could some one tell me, how I can change reduce the size of the progress bar in debian bootsplash theme |
| 12:57.29 | valdyn | peter__: weird |
| 12:57.31 | tarzeau | does anyone use supermongo? does it build for you on etch? |
| 12:57.54 | peter__ | valdyn, ;/ its linux ;) |
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| 12:59.28 | endra | hey |
| 12:59.35 | peter__ | bye |
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| 13:01.18 | endra | I have an issue getting my 2GB sd card to mount, can anyone help? I plug it in, and I get alot of this: mmcblk0: error 1 sending read/write command; end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector ###, where ### is a sector number (they increment, so 001, 002.. etc). I know the modules are loaded, because it detects the card, and attempts to read it. Any idea what is going on? |
| 13:01.45 | olskolirc | where can i get a .pdf file on learning unix regular expression? |
| 13:01.59 | bzed | olskolirc: google :) |
| 13:02.15 | Arafangion | olskolirc: Which unix regular expression? |
| 13:02.18 | solemnwarning | w00t |
| 13:02.20 | olskolirc | did that |
| 13:02.22 | tarzeau | olskolirc: why must it be .pdf ? |
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| 13:02.29 | solemnwarning | My backup system is waaay faster with rsyncd then rsync over SSH |
| 13:02.29 | olskolirc | I want to learn bash regular expressions |
| 13:02.37 | Arafangion | olskolirc: And if it were in .pdf format, it wouldn't be /unix/ |
| 13:02.39 | wols | olskolirc: http://regex.info/ |
| 13:02.46 | solemnwarning | rsync is taking ~70% of the server CPU now that it's not being hogged by SSH :) |
| 13:02.55 | valdyn | olskolirc: printable you mean? why the hell pdf? |
| 13:02.55 | Arafangion | olskolirc: bash doesn't have regular expressions. |
| 13:03.03 | valdyn | solemnwarning: checksumming? |
| 13:03.06 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 13:03.14 | solemnwarning | The backups are finishing faster |
| 13:03.18 | valdyn | solemnwarning: raid + checksumming may do that |
| 13:03.20 | metbsd | sorry, i took the regular expression |
| 13:03.28 | solemnwarning | A 2-3min backup became a 1 min backup |
| 13:04.28 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: I backup a ~million files with rsync and ssh, not a problem. (The botteleneck is the transfer speed) |
| 13:04.38 | valdyn | olskolirc: try google.. there's more tutorials than you need |
| 13:04.50 | solemnwarning | Arafangion: Buuut is your backup fileserver a PIII 450 with RAID-5 over ATA-66 disks? :) |
| 13:04.55 | tarzeau | Arafangion: how much is your transfer speed? |
| 13:05.09 | bzed | olskolirc: there's a good book on regexps, form o'reilly. but that's afaik not in the openbook program |
| 13:05.14 | valdyn | Arafangion: with that many small files it would be seek time on my disks ;) |
| 13:05.29 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: It was a P1 26MHz system. |
| 13:05.32 | Arafangion | *266MHz |
| 13:05.33 | solemnwarning | :O |
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| 13:05.46 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: It's now been upgraded to around 300MHz, with more RAM. |
| 13:05.58 | solemnwarning | What did you do? Get some kind of hardware encryption chip? :\ |
| 13:06.09 | valdyn | Arafangion: he's checksumming the files too |
| 13:06.09 | Arafangion | Connection speed is 128kbps. :( |
| 13:06.15 | solemnwarning | Ah |
| 13:06.24 | solemnwarning | Transferring gigs over SSH sucks |
| 13:06.26 | valdyn | ... |
| 13:06.33 | Nyle | hi |
| 13:06.38 | Arafangion | Most files don't ever change, though. |
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| 13:07.40 | zinkeldonk | wols, Right. Pasted the output....how do I tell you where it is? |
| 13:07.47 | xand | solemnwarning: I've done backups to/from my parents' house over adsl... that's fun when there's tens of GB |
| 13:07.49 | olskolirc | ok thanks |
| 13:07.56 | solemnwarning | xand: I'll pass :) |
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| 13:08.03 | olskolirc | i had a regex pdf file once |
| 13:08.05 | Arafangion | xand: Similar situation. |
| 13:08.06 | solemnwarning | ADSL sucks |
| 13:08.07 | olskolirc | over 300 pages |
| 13:08.14 | xand | need to use SSH then for security but given the 256kbps upload speed it's not a problem |
| 13:08.23 | xand | I should use work connection... gigabit internet ;) |
| 13:08.26 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: It's the best available here. :( |
| 13:08.39 | Arafangion | xand: gigabit internet doesn't /exist/ here. :( |
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| 13:08.51 | xand | Arafangion: not even at unis? |
| 13:08.57 | xand | (which is where I work) |
| 13:08.59 | Arafangion | xand: Haha. (no) |
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| 13:09.20 | xand | and we're not on the main backbone... that has 10Gbps I think |
| 13:09.25 | solemnwarning | O_O |
| 13:09.31 | solemnwarning | 10gbps?!?! |
| 13:09.33 | Arafangion | xand: I think my uni has a 5 MBps pipe. |
| 13:09.36 | Nyle | yeh well |
| 13:09.42 | solemnwarning | xand: Holy SHIT |
| 13:09.43 | Nyle | I got a billion GB/s xfer rate |
| 13:09.46 | Nyle | booya |
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| 13:09.53 | solemnwarning | My school has better uplink than that :O |
| 13:09.55 | xand | we have 2 x 1Gbps lines but only use 1Gbps I think |
| 13:09.59 | solemnwarning | 10mbps/10mbps |
| 13:10.02 | Nyle | better than 1 billion GB/s |
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| 13:10.06 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:10.09 | Nyle | c'mon man |
| 13:10.40 | xand | "In October 2006 SuperJANET5 was launched after £29 million of investment. It provides a 10Gbit/s backbone, with an upgrade path to 40GBit/s over the next few years." |
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| 13:11.13 | xand | solemnwarning: is that at home? I only have 2Mbps there :'( |
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| 13:11.32 | Nyle | I have 10mbit down and 2mbit up |
| 13:11.34 | Nyle | at home |
| 13:11.40 | xand | I guess I could get 8Mbps but that involve download quotas |
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| 13:11.50 | Nyle | I got no quotas |
| 13:11.52 | xand | Nyle: 10 millibits? ;) |
| 13:12.08 | atealtha | is there a way for a testing system to install a stable package? |
| 13:12.13 | Arafangion | Land of the most expensive yet slowest internet access. |
| 13:12.19 | solemnwarning | xand: Yeah, at home :) |
| 13:12.19 | atealtha | like backports.org but the other way around almost |
| 13:12.27 | Nyle | I downloaded 100+movies last month, full series of southpark, family guy, thundercats, seinfeld and tons of pr0n on a 10mbit down cable at home |
| 13:12.30 | xand | solemnwarning: cable? |
| 13:12.31 | Nyle | no caps |
| 13:12.31 | solemnwarning | And virgin is running an upgrade arm |
| 13:12.32 | solemnwarning | *atm |
| 13:12.38 | xand | ah yes, cable, duh |
| 13:12.40 | solemnwarning | It'll be 20mbps/768kbps soon |
| 13:12.47 | xand | they aren't allowed to install cable in this city |
| 13:12.49 | solemnwarning | Yay for cable \o/ |
| 13:12.53 | Nyle | yehe |
| 13:12.54 | Arafangion | olskolirc: /768kbps? That's bad! |
| 13:13.00 | solemnwarning | I don't have any quotas either :) |
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| 13:13.07 | zinkeldonk | wols, mmmm. As you can tell, I'm new to IRC...This time it's posted... |
| 13:13.18 | delliott | atealtha, I think if you have stable in your sources.list then you can select the version you want to install in the gui package manager |
| 13:13.18 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: That's because you're quite limited by that 768kbps upload. |
| 13:13.21 | solemnwarning | I've got more upstream then some users have down :D |
| 13:13.37 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: Yeah... but as a function of upload, it's damn small. |
| 13:13.41 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 13:13.52 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: And you /need/ that upstream to manage the downstream properly. |
| 13:13.58 | solemnwarning | Why do ISPs give less upstream then down? |
| 13:14.06 | xand | cos they're meanies |
| 13:14.11 | valdyn | solemnwarning: costs |
| 13:14.12 | wols | cause they need to power their webserver farms too |
| 13:14.13 | solemnwarning | Most users won't even use their upstream |
| 13:14.14 | Arafangion | solemnwarning: It's logical, but your case is an extreme. |
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| 13:14.51 | atealtha | delliott: well I can use the -t flag in apt-get, but I heard packages between stable/non-stable are sometimes incompatible because they are compiled to possible differing system layouts, and other technical stuff |
| 13:14.53 | xand | solemnwarning: not with bittorrent? :P |
| 13:14.57 | Arafangion | valdyn: Actually, it's more because of bandwidth limits. More users download than upload, hence they assign more bandwidth to downstream. |
| 13:15.10 | atealtha | hence the existence of backports.org |
| 13:15.37 | valdyn | Arafangion: its only 'downstream' up to the switch |
| 13:15.40 | delliott | atealtha, I don't really know enough about the process since I've never tried to go from something less stable to something more stable |
| 13:15.43 | solemnwarning | The average user just visits some websites.... |
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| 13:15.49 | valdyn | Arafangion: and that's a fixed cable anyway |
| 13:16.09 | atealtha | delliott: thanks though |
| 13:16.26 | valdyn | Arafangion: the difference is just the gear they need to 'use' that preexisting calbe.. |
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| 13:16.30 | atealtha | and I get all my backup tapes shipped via Fed Ex |
| 13:16.52 | atealtha | = my bandwidth |
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| 13:17.09 | Arafangion | atealtha: I don't think you can even measure that kind of bandwidth ;) |
| 13:17.45 | atealtha | it's so much that it killed the chat |
| 13:17.47 | valdyn | Arafangion: now i would gladle trade half of my downs for doubling my ups, decreasing my total bandwidth. but that would require them to buy different gear just for my port |
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| 13:19.29 | Arafangion | valdyn: Interesting. |
| 13:19.50 | Arafangion | valdyn: But I suspect irrelevant in a land of poor-quality twisted pair. |
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| 13:20.27 | Arafangion | valdyn: And we can usually request different ratios. |
| 13:20.58 | valdyn | Arafangion: i can get what i want - its just way expensive |
| 13:21.20 | Arafangion | valdyn: EVERYTHING is expensive here :( |
| 13:21.42 | Arafangion | valdyn: Telstra's a monopoly here. |
| 13:22.23 | valdyn | evil! |
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| 13:22.59 | alesan | hi |
| 13:23.06 | alesan | what is the package for the svn client? |
| 13:23.21 | valdyn | subversion |
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| 13:23.25 | Arafangion | valdyn: They've actually got high-speed networking stufff installed, but due to their monopoly, if they sell access to it, they are required by law to also allow other ISP's to use it and provide access at compatitive prices. |
| 13:23.35 | alesan | valdyn, won't that also install the server modules? |
| 13:23.57 | Arafangion | valdyn: So it's a waiting game, who will buckle first? The massive monopoly, or the other smaller ISP's that don't have as much infrastructure? :( |
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| 13:24.03 | solemnwarning | Arafangion: Set up Arafangion's link inc. as an ISP :P |
| 13:24.07 | valdyn | alesan: why dont you read the package description? |
| 13:24.57 | alesan | mh well... "subversion - Advanced version control system" <- I do not understand from this |
| 13:25.13 | alesan | (it is the output of apt-cache search svn) |
| 13:25.15 | valdyn | alesan: apt-cache show subversion |
| 13:25.50 | alesan | ok, so there is no package with client tools only? |
| 13:25.55 | themill | Arafangion: A in ADSL is for asymmetric... you get better download speed by getting less upload speed. |
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| 13:26.09 | Arafangion | themill: Gee(!) I didn't know that(!) |
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| 13:28.09 | smacnay | can a dvd-ram disk be blanked? |
| 13:28.15 | smacnay | in linux? |
| 13:28.15 | drbair_laptop | Is the netinstall image broken? I keep getting bad mirror messages for every mirror I try during install |
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| 13:32.14 | Tonisius | is there a PHP version with CURL already enabled? if so, what package name is it, and in what repo. Been looking around as needed |
| 13:32.37 | js_ | php5-curl |
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| 13:33.02 | Tonisius | js_: thanks =D |
| 13:33.34 | vin` | how did you search? that's the only hit with apt-cache search php curl ;) |
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| 13:48.29 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:48.30 | dpkg | well, qotd170 is * Gnurdux touchtypes with 2 fingers, so sometimes he gets off |
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| 13:55.34 | mb342 | I'm having a problem with Etch and time zone information, the clock is always off by 4 hours, I'm seriously stumped |
| 13:55.48 | valdyn | !tzconfig |
| 13:55.48 | dpkg | somebody said setting time was if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 13:57.34 | pickcoder | is there any reason why I couldn't run the 686 kernel on a Pentium 1? |
| 13:57.38 | tzanger | debian newb, but 10+ years linux experience... trying to do a usb stick install of etch |
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| 13:57.47 | valdyn | pickcoder: its not a 686? |
| 13:57.54 | pickcoder | 586 |
| 13:57.59 | pickcoder | between the archs |
| 13:58.01 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 13:58.02 | tzanger | following the "preparing files for usb install" on debian.org, it asks me to copy over an iso to the usb drive for the installer |
| 13:58.09 | pickcoder | there is no 586 kernel image |
| 13:58.09 | tzanger | I'd selected mini.iso from the netboot directory |
| 13:58.18 | tzanger | the installer doesn't seem to like that one |
| 13:58.24 | tzanger | is that not the correct netboot install iso? |
| 13:58.27 | pickcoder | I'm running a 486 kernel now and this lappy needs all the help it can get |
| 13:58.28 | tzanger | er not netboot, netinst |
| 13:58.44 | tzanger | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 13:58.50 | tzanger | that's the iso I'd selected |
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| 13:59.28 | abrotman | pickcoder: you could .. compile your own! |
| 13:59.52 | pickcoder | gah |
| 13:59.59 | mb342 | valdyn: yep, tried all that, no luck |
| 13:59.59 | pickcoder | on a P1 75Mhz? |
| 14:00.01 | pickcoder | with 32MB? |
| 14:00.02 | mb342 | multple times |
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| 14:00.28 | pickcoder | oh wait.. it's 150Mhz |
| 14:00.39 | pickcoder | it'll only take 12 hours instead of 14 |
| 14:00.50 | Zoo- | hey everyone |
| 14:01.16 | abrotman | pickcoder: you don't have to compile it on that box |
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| 14:01.30 | abrotman | pickcoder: honestly .. i'd just use the 486 kernel |
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| 14:01.36 | abrotman | pickcoder: and get more RAM :) |
| 14:01.42 | Zoo- | I got a question... I want to make sure I meet all requirements for source compiling. and I'm doing alot of reading lately about etch.. and also getting ready to install my mandriva spring powerpack I have.. I spent some days trying to figure out gentoo, and installing it.. but is really too complex for me lol, at this point |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | Zoo-: huh ? |
| 14:02.03 | Thms | I just plugged a new HD, ide, how to mount it now ? |
| 14:02.22 | pickcoder | abrotman: I think this thing is already maxed out |
| 14:02.29 | pickcoder | it's a Compaq LTE5400 |
| 14:02.31 | mb342 | valdyn: what the system is showing as UTC is actually the correct local time |
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| 14:02.37 | pickcoder | with a completely dead battery |
| 14:02.38 | mb342 | so something screwy is going on |
| 14:02.39 | pickcoder | heh |
| 14:02.42 | pickcoder | very portable! |
| 14:02.45 | cast | Thms: with mount. |
| 14:02.54 | Thms | cast: yes but which /dev it is ? :| |
| 14:02.56 | cast | Thms: it probably has no partition table of fs yet though |
| 14:03.07 | cast | s/of/or |
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| 14:03.13 | Thms | cast: it has one, it was a external USB hdd |
| 14:03.15 | Zoo- | heya abrotman |
| 14:03.18 | ktwilight | Thms, tail dmesg |
| 14:03.19 | Zoo- | hey cast! |
| 14:03.20 | tzanger | fuck it, I'll just do a cdrom install |
| 14:03.21 | ktwilight | should tell ya |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: not an armada ? |
| 14:03.24 | Thms | now i plugged in with ide |
| 14:03.24 | Zoo- | dam good to se ya both |
| 14:03.41 | Zoo- | I was reading about that apt-build as well, and that sounds really interesting |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | oh .. now i get it |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 14:03.50 | dpkg | methinks apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 14:04.02 | cast | hello Zoo-, person whom i forgot |
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| 14:04.32 | abrotman | cast: he was the one that came back and apologized for being a tard a few months ago .. i think |
| 14:04.44 | abrotman | pickcoder: http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=LTE+5400 |
| 14:04.49 | Zoo- | :- ) |
| 14:05.08 | cast | Thms: run dmesg, see if its hda, or b,c,d, then mkdir /mnt/hdX1; mount /dev/hdX1 /mnt/hdX1 |
| 14:05.44 | Zoo- | well, I want to do get all what I need, for compiling source packages and stuff in debian. I just need a really good manually tha will cover all of that, and I even wrote a script for getting all the packages from git, for compiz-fusion |
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| 14:06.18 | cast | Thms: dmesg |grep 'hd[abcd]' might help you sort through faster, |
| 14:06.45 | Zoo- | also, I want to be able to , edit more into the script, for actually configuring compiz, then doing the pkg config, export etc.. deal, and going into all the other directories for the ccsm, bcop, plugins.. libcomipzconfig etc.. and being able to auto config ./autogen --prefix=/usr/local etc.. |
| 14:07.05 | Zoo- | I got books and stuff on python, and scripting, bash etc.. and more, just need to read them :) |
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| 14:07.53 | pickcoder | no compatible upgrades from crucial |
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| 14:07.55 | pickcoder | that's sad |
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| 14:08.09 | Zoo- | and from the Xandros professional the IT dept, had given us free, heck.. I don't even care about using that anymore, but I am going to take the Paragon NTFS linux etc. personal, and integrate it with my debian and mandriva srping pwp :) |
| 14:09.12 | Zoo- | neat eh cast? |
| 14:09.14 | cast | Zoo-: i am glad you are excited and happy, though i'm not sure what you are talking about |
| 14:09.20 | Zoo- | funny thing is. other day I was wondering how you were man |
| 14:09.28 | Zoo- | when I was fustrated with trying to configure pygtk for ccsm |
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| 14:10.00 | Zoo- | I need a dev who I can work with, for making debian etch and other stable builds of debian.. awesome |
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| 14:10.22 | Zoo- | I want to master for myself, being able to isolate packages, and compile source packages into the system, and using optimized flags etc.. |
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| 14:10.27 | Zoo- | or evnrionment variables * |
| 14:10.39 | Zoo- | I was strongly inspired messing with gentoo for a couple days etc |
| 14:10.44 | wols | Zoo-: #gentoo is that way -> |
| 14:10.51 | cast | well there is the new maintainers guide for creating packages |
| 14:10.51 | wols | and don't let the door hit you on your way out |
| 14:10.54 | Zoo- | hee yeah I know |
| 14:11.05 | Zoo- | nah I"m not leaving debian |
| 14:11.06 | Zoo- | :( |
| 14:11.14 | Zoo- | I got the right o use as many distributions i want to |
| 14:11.24 | Zoo- | in which I already use a few |
| 14:11.41 | cast | i wouldn't bother with optimized flags..etc...when gentoo was new people used to say they did it for speed. i noticed as of late they say they do it for customiziability[sp?] reasons |
| 14:11.45 | Zoo- | cast, this is the software I have , http://www.ntfs-linux.com/ |
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| 14:12.06 | wols | Zoo-: debian already comes with ntfs-3g |
| 14:12.27 | Zoo- | oh yeah, I had a question bro, I"m about ready to edit fstab, for my partitions.. in which I never really knew that much about doing in debian.. do I have to auto generate it? or can I edit it with nano |
| 14:12.33 | Zoo- | oh yeah? |
| 14:12.34 | cast | Zoo-: if its not free software expect very little support on freenode as a general rule |
| 14:12.35 | wols | Zoo-: and that is what we support. for proprietary software support not in any debian repo: ask the vendor |
| 14:12.42 | Zoo- | does it just needed to be modprobe? |
| 14:12.52 | Zoo- | cast.. its mine |
| 14:12.55 | wols | !ntfsrw |
| 14:12.55 | dpkg | well, ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 14:13.06 | wols | Zoo-: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 14:13.15 | Zoo- | gotcha :) |
| 14:13.19 | Zoo- | thanks wols |
| 14:13.22 | wols | Zoo-: unless you are mister paragon it is NOT yours |
| 14:13.24 | Zoo- | I"m not leaving deb :( |
| 14:13.35 | Zoo- | well I own a copy meh |
| 14:13.41 | Zoo- | and yes, I"m not that company |
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| 14:14.11 | Zoo- | but we all do what we want to, in the technology world, I dont' think there is anything wrong, with slickin debian uip |
| 14:14.13 | Zoo- | up* |
| 14:14.44 | wols | there is nothing wrong. however it's OT here basically. not a debian problem besides what you've already got answers for |
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| 14:14.46 | cast | i feel all this ntfsrw is a distraction. fuck ntfs. its a shitty filesystem [..why? because its proprietary]. if you want to share a partition between windows and linux why not install a ext2 driver for windows instead.</rant> |
| 14:15.07 | hark | hmm zoo == clint? |
| 14:15.17 | mb342 | valdyn: manually changing the bios clock at reboot fixed it |
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| 14:15.53 | Zoo- | well, its what we have to support, at my college cast |
| 14:16.06 | Zoo- | and what I support, for Home users etc. and some business accounts |
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| 14:16.08 | o2T7 | hi |
| 14:16.31 | o2T7 | How to know a RAM memory module's speed? |
| 14:16.39 | Zoo- | anyways though cast.. I had another question to, does it matter if automake1.10 or go with automake 9 etc |
| 14:16.41 | cast | o2T7: read it off the module is one way |
| 14:16.54 | o2T7 | But it doesn't have any info |
| 14:17.00 | eifzon | Where can i check all the kernels for debian? |
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| 14:17.07 | valdyn | o2T7: bios can usually autodetect it |
| 14:17.32 | valdyn | eifzon: debian doesnt offer alot of kernels |
| 14:17.41 | valdyn | eifzon: just one for your system |
| 14:17.48 | cast | eifzon: packages.debian.org, do a search. if you really mean all the kernels you'll have to check the ports pages for kfreebsd/etc.. |
| 14:17.58 | valdyn | eifzon: you dont seriously want to play with unstable or experimental kernels? |
| 14:18.15 | o2T7 | Thank you. We'll see if it is the case. |
| 14:18.37 | eifzon | valdyn: no |
| 14:18.44 | eifzon | valdyn: i want a 2.6.20 kernel |
| 14:18.44 | wols | o2T7: dmidecode possibly |
| 14:18.46 | Zoo- | oh hey btw cast, I think the smp kernels are sweet :) |
| 14:18.54 | wols | eifzon: why? |
| 14:18.59 | Zoo- | very sweet |
| 14:19.00 | o2T7 | wols: ok |
| 14:19.02 | valdyn | eifzon: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 14:19.06 | wols | Zoo-: all debian kernels are SMP now |
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| 14:19.42 | hark | save the 486 maybe |
| 14:19.45 | eifzon | valdyn: where can i check now? |
| 14:19.48 | stew | wols: not all |
| 14:19.51 | DawnLight | i've crossed over a 10baseT by exposing and rewiring it and its not working. i did first with third and second with sixth. is that right? |
| 14:19.57 | edistar | hey... how do I get the following behaviour in icedove: I want all mails from list@mail.com (example) to go to the list folder? |
| 14:20.08 | abrotman | edistar: they have filters |
| 14:20.13 | valdyn | eifzon: on that link i gave you, if you are running debian/etch |
| 14:20.16 | wols | stew: ok. not the i486 ones |
| 14:20.22 | eifzon | valdyn: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions this one |
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| 14:20.55 | edistar | abrotman: how do I set filters? |
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| 14:21.24 | abrotman | Tools->Message Filters |
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| 14:21.51 | valdyn | eifzon: probably, i dont have their site structure memorised |
| 14:22.12 | eifzon | ok |
| 14:22.14 | Zoo- | I was sayin.. I think they are sweet :) |
| 14:22.24 | Zoo- | was seeing how it was in Xandros. |
| 14:22.38 | Zoo- | but thats a system I stopped supporting in our IT dept, very quick |
| 14:22.40 | o2T7 | wols: dmidecode didn't show the speed |
| 14:22.47 | sebastian | hm.. I cant get my 500 GB disk to automount with rw privileges for the user "sebastian".. How is the fstab line suppoed to look like? |
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| 14:22.53 | valdyn | rgr, badblocks finds no errors, smart sais my disk is broken, someone's got to be lieing |
| 14:22.54 | sebastian | /dev/sdc1 /home/sebastian/Warez2 ext3 rw,users 0 0 |
| 14:23.06 | Zoo- | oh yeah.. cast.. or wols.. is it okay if I edit fstab with nano? |
| 14:23.06 | edistar | abrotman: thx |
| 14:23.18 | cast | Zoo-: yes. look at man fstab, too |
| 14:23.18 | abrotman | Zoo-: try it and see |
| 14:24.36 | cast | Zoo-: wait...you work in an IT dept? |
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| 14:25.45 | Ronin | abrotman: cant vote for your self |
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| 14:26.32 | chris_173 | hey! I just updated to etch and now want to install the kernel sources for my kernel: 2.6.18-4-amd64... |
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| 14:26.44 | chris_173 | unfortunately- i don't find them. where to get em? |
| 14:26.59 | cast | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 14:27.07 | chris_173 | (want to install the nividia drivers which need the kernel sources to compile) |
| 14:27.08 | mrsno | chris_173 if you are compiling for a driver or something you may only need the linux-headers package, can i ask why you need the kernel sources? |
| 14:27.28 | mrsno | oh nvidia drivers, does the prebuilt package nvidia-glx not work for you on etch? |
| 14:27.57 | eifzon | wols: i wanted a newer kernel so i could see my CPUTemp |
| 14:28.05 | chris_173 | dunno..I didnt try. I wanted to use the most actual drivers |
| 14:28.41 | chris_173 | btw, 2.6.18-4 is the most actual kernel version, isnt it? |
| 14:28.58 | Zoo- | for dang MS mainly yep, management etc |
| 14:29.27 | Zoo- | but I just really communicate with them on basis. and report changes.. its a small project deal.. most of I am customizing workstations for residential users |
| 14:29.40 | Zoo- | etc.. and either installing a debian for them. or mandriva :) |
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| 14:31.50 | Speck | hello, i'm mounting an usb hdd in a directory, I'm "ls" ing and the content seems to be there but when I'm writing in the directory the content goes to the local filesystem and not on usb. any hints ? |
| 14:32.31 | gelf | be good to your mother? |
| 14:32.47 | gelf | sry |
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| 14:33.20 | eifzon | i did follow the http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions guide, now i got 2.6.20 in my repo, what one to get if i am using intel core 2 duo? |
| 14:35.35 | cast | eifzon: well look at your options, then type the relevent parts into wikipedia [686, k7, etc..] and make a choice |
| 14:35.52 | j777m | Can anyone here help me install beryl on etch? |
| 14:36.24 | Zoo- | I can j777m |
| 14:36.36 | Zoo- | you want me to write a scrpt for ya? |
| 14:36.47 | Zoo- | for getting the dependencies, and importing the keys and stuff? |
| 14:36.57 | Zoo- | your X.org I will help you modify |
| 14:37.00 | j777m | Sure |
| 14:37.04 | Zoo- | okies |
| 14:37.16 | eifzon | cast: thaks |
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| 14:37.24 | Zoo- | I need someone I can partner with up on things |
| 14:37.40 | j777m | I already tried something like hakix, but it can't find beryl-core and many other things |
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| 14:37.48 | Zoo- | can you wait for a few mins and stuff j777m, because on my workstation.. I"M actually on my win platform, doing some things.. |
| 14:38.01 | j777m | yea I will be here |
| 14:38.11 | j777m | thanks |
| 14:38.12 | Zoo- | I do got my laptop running etch, as well, and I am going to install Mandriva spring 2007.1 pwp |
| 14:38.19 | Zoo- | I'm trying to master source compiling.. |
| 14:38.38 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 14:38.38 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 14:38.44 | Zoo- | I actually had got compiz-fusion compiled and everything into etch, and even wrote a script for the main things. and getting all the dependencies, and build-dep for compiz |
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| 14:39.14 | Zoo- | I just want to make it, so where, it will go into each directory, configure and build compiz, then export pkg config, and go into the rest for all of them, then its about meeting the deps for pygtk, and configuring it |
| 14:39.22 | Zoo- | and then running the replace script, and ccsm |
| 14:39.53 | eifzon | cast: i did install everything now, how do i set up so i can boot that kernel after reboot? |
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| 14:40.38 | cast | eifzon: check /boot/grub/menu\t has as the default, |
| 14:41.23 | eifzon | cast: my 2.6.20 isnt there |
| 14:41.48 | cast | eifzon: not anywhere? the kpkg should have added a grub entry |
| 14:41.50 | Zoo- | j777m: , http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 14:42.47 | eifzon | cast: ok |
| 14:42.56 | eifzon | ahh forgot linux-image-2.6.21-1-686 |
| 14:42.58 | j777m | thanks zoo, but when I followed those instructions before, I got errors that the apt-update had problems finding the stuff on the servers |
| 14:43.11 | Zoo- | I"m going to write a script , to install beryl on debian etch :- ) |
| 14:43.34 | Zoo- | oh okay, show me your pastebin of your.. /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:43.35 | j777m | alright |
| 14:43.40 | Zoo- | ^_^ |
| 14:43.52 | Zoo- | and also, your, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:44.16 | Zoo- | on my workstation, I'm actually going to change things around, and remove the beryl I have on there, and configure it from tarball |
| 14:44.25 | j777m | ok, give me some time. I'm on my windows box too. I have to switch |
| 14:44.46 | eifzon | 2.6.21-1-686 cast got that one now |
| 14:45.04 | cast | Zoo-: that wiki page process is pretty damn short. a script would be somewhat pointless |
| 14:45.11 | Zoo- | I'm just waiting for compiz-fusion to be tested more. and for them to fix the issue with the pygtk, xsacha I talked to, said it will be worked out, and probably not have to worry about that |
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| 14:45.41 | Zoo- | cast, people choose to do what they want, and scripts are fun, especially if you design a nice GTK installer for it :- ) |
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| 14:45.58 | Zoo- | and its how the user wants to do it etc |
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| 14:46.08 | eifzon | cast: 2.6.21-1 isnt testing right? |
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| 14:47.39 | cast | eifzon: i do not know what kernel testing is using, packages.debian.org will tell you, i suspect testing has 2.6.18 |
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| 14:49.12 | eifzon | cast: how can i remove my linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 14:49.20 | cast | eifzon: guess. |
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| 14:50.25 | j777m | zoo, I'm running etch now |
| 14:50.48 | j777m | should I send you the files, or should I paste |
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| 14:50.57 | lvh | moo |
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| 14:51.10 | nono31 | hello |
| 14:51.32 | nono31 | I jsut installed gnome and the applications menu is empty. Someone knows how to fix this problem? |
| 14:51.33 | sebastian | E: Package vlc has no installation candidate |
| 14:51.33 | sebastian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.40 | Zoo- | better yet, do you use any messengers? |
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| 14:51.55 | j777m | no, actually I don't |
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| 14:52.16 | Zoo- | well I use some of them, to communicate with my assocites, and a small group, that way I don't have to hang around the distro channels |
| 14:52.41 | ekimus | hello, how/where do i find out what the ./configure options for a package are? (i need to know wether samba in etch has been configured with "./configure --enable-rfc2307bis --enable-schema-mapping" or not) |
| 14:53.00 | cast | eifzon: ./configure --help sometimes does something |
| 14:53.04 | Zoo- | because I"ll walk you through the whole thing.. I just don't feel like being here, all day. etc and annoying folks |
| 14:53.06 | Zoo- | or myself |
| 14:53.16 | chops | ekimus: apt-get source samba, look around in debian/ (debian/rules and suchlike) |
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| 14:53.29 | j777m | ok what should I do? |
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| 14:54.19 | j777m | I have gaim installed on here, should I use that? |
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| 14:54.44 | rob19 | does debian come with sshd/server by default if we only installed the 'standard system' package with netinst? |
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| 14:54.55 | ekimus | chops: thanks |
| 14:54.58 | kamui | is there a tool that I can use to constantly see who's logged into the system in realtime? |
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| 14:55.05 | chops | kamui: watch who |
| 14:55.12 | DawnLight | i can't set up a network between two boxes. windows keeps telling me "cable unplugged". the led on the NIC doesn't go on at any time. what does this mean? |
| 14:55.23 | chops | ekimus: np |
| 14:55.25 | kamui | chops thanks |
| 14:56.01 | wols | DawnLight: is there a switch in between? |
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| 14:56.11 | wols | probably you didn't use a crossovre cable if not |
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| 14:56.26 | wols | rob19: no, you have to install it |
| 14:56.41 | lvh | if you have a good swtich, you can simply use a crossover anyway btw |
| 14:56.54 | lvh | or if you have a good 1000BASET card ^^ |
| 14:56.58 | wols | even newer NICs are autosensing |
| 14:57.11 | j777m | zoo, should I pm you? |
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| 14:58.17 | DawnLight | wols: no switch |
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| 14:59.03 | DawnLight | wols: i exposed the wires and crossed them first with third and second with sixth |
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| 14:59.54 | chops | DawnLight: Aha. I have a theory as to where your problem may lie :-) |
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| 15:00.33 | DawnLight | its just a little wiring |
| 15:00.39 | wols | I'd say you broke the cable |
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| 15:00.51 | wols | try it with 10MBit. less tolerances required that way |
| 15:01.10 | DawnLight | common, havn't you rewired a cable before? |
| 15:01.26 | irule | what program may help me determine what ports are being used by a program? |
| 15:01.29 | Blackvel | hi. can i use /etc/hosts.deny to block a IP to connect to ssh or my postfix email server on debian 3.1 sarge? I do not have access to network devices or iptables on this vserver. thanks |
| 15:01.44 | chops | DawnLight: I have, but when my network didn't work I knew what aspect of the system to blame first for the failure :-) |
| 15:01.50 | eifzon | how can i upgrade linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 to 2.6.20-1 ? |
| 15:02.08 | wols | eifzon: by installing them. same place you got your shiny .20 kernel from |
| 15:02.09 | DawnLight | its less then two meters. i assume that the cable is ok |
| 15:02.11 | chops | DawnLight: Try a switch or crossover cable (or another hand-wired cable) and see if it works is my advice |
| 15:02.18 | mrsno | Blackvel you could, there are a few methods really, i installed fail2ban which handles iptables + temporary bans for ssh/email/apache/etc |
| 15:02.25 | j777m | zoo? |
| 15:02.30 | wols | DawnLight: we assume otherwise after your "operation". and no, cable length doesn't really matter |
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| 15:03.12 | Blackvel | mrsno: yeah, guys on #postfix are talking about fail2ban quite much. some spambot hammers my postfix email server. need to ban it without iptables access |
| 15:03.36 | mrsno | Blackvel i believe there are many options but fail2ban does mine nicely :) |
| 15:03.36 | Zoo- | j777m: thats fine, sorry just helping a user out in mandriva |
| 15:03.40 | DawnLight | how do the leds on the NICs work? the ones on my debian box don't go on at all, cable connected or not, while the led on the win2k box is on |
| 15:03.42 | abrotman | Blackvel: you could try RBLs ? |
| 15:03.43 | wols | how can you have access to hosts.deny but no iptables? |
| 15:03.45 | Zoo- | I am registering on Freenode |
| 15:03.49 | Zoo- | as well |
| 15:03.58 | wols | DawnLight: dmesg|grep eth |
| 15:04.04 | Blackvel | mrsno: fail2ban can work with hosts.deny too? I read this 5 minutes ago in a mailing list |
| 15:04.07 | pb_werkin | irule: netstat -p will show you processes associated with sockets. |
| 15:04.15 | abrotman | Blackvel: apt-cache show fail2ban |
| 15:04.40 | Blackvel | abrotman: well, good question. there is no iptables command on this vserver. rules say: network interface access denied. so it is simply not possible |
| 15:05.00 | Blackvel | but there is a /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny file. so i am wondering if this might work nevertheless |
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| 15:05.24 | mrsno | Blackvel im not sure if it can do both |
| 15:05.27 | pb_werkin | no iptables, or is /sbin not in the PATH? |
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| 15:05.37 | mrsno | denyhosts maybe uses hosts.deny instead |
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| 15:05.56 | abrotman | Blackvel: are they just trying to send mail or what ? |
| 15:06.03 | Zoo- | okay, I'm registered now |
| 15:06.05 | mrsno | im not sure if denyhosts works for mail however |
| 15:06.11 | DawnLight | wols: i'll paste in #helpdawn, ok? |
| 15:06.25 | wols | !paste |
| 15:06.25 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:06.42 | pb_werkin | hosts.deny definitely can be used to stop sshd connections, might work for postfix too. |
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| 15:06.59 | wols | or as abrotman said, a custom RBL |
| 15:07.10 | Zoo- | about time I did that |
| 15:07.17 | Blackvel | hmm |
| 15:07.19 | abrotman | doesn't have to be custom .. there are tons of RBLs out there already |
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| 15:07.34 | Blackvel | i can not find iptables neither in /sbin/ nor /usr/sbin |
| 15:07.36 | DawnLight | wols: http://paste.debian.net/32155 |
| 15:07.48 | Blackvel | but vserver rules say no network access |
| 15:07.55 | abrotman | Blackvel: is the package installed ? |
| 15:07.55 | Blackvel | interface access I mean |
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| 15:08.07 | Blackvel | but how would hosts.deny work then? :) |
| 15:08.46 | Blackvel | hmmm |
| 15:08.47 | Blackvel | no |
| 15:08.48 | Blackvel | :) |
| 15:08.50 | abrotman | Blackvel: is your problem that they are connecting or that they are sending mail ? |
| 15:09.00 | Blackvel | bots are trying to send mail |
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| 15:09.04 | sebastian | Couldn't anyone help me? E: Package vlc has no installation candidate |
| 15:09.15 | Blackvel | and they are doing this with 5 simul connections each time |
| 15:09.16 | cat | sebastian: apt-cache search vlc |
| 15:09.18 | abrotman | Blackvel: so what .. as long as they don't .. there's no problem |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | sebastian: vlc isn't currently in testing |
| 15:09.29 | Blackvel | hammering my system since the morning |
| 15:09.29 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 15:09.30 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 15:09.36 | abrotman | Blackvel: okay .. so what? |
| 15:09.37 | sebastian | abrotman, o_O |
| 15:09.38 | sebastian | WTF |
| 15:09.40 | sebastian | Why not? |
| 15:09.52 | abrotman | because it's 'testing' .. shit happens. . if you want a stable system .. run stable |
| 15:09.53 | cat | read http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 15:10.20 | sebastian | -.- |
| 15:10.30 | sebastian | Guess I'll have to reinstall and go to Etch... |
| 15:10.31 | kamui | is alsamixer broken in debian unstable? |
| 15:10.31 | stew | sebastian: it was removed for the flac transition |
| 15:10.38 | stew | kamui: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:10.42 | abrotman | sebastian: there are other media players |
| 15:10.52 | sebastian | abrotman, not as good as VLC |
| 15:11.04 | stew | sebastian: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 15:11.06 | Blackvel | If I add one entry to /etc/hosts.deny, do I have to reload anything? |
| 15:11.07 | DawnLight | mplayer works for me |
| 15:11.08 | sebastian | VLC has: Good GUI and good decoders |
| 15:11.28 | abrotman | sebastian: sure .. but you can use one of them temporarily |
| 15:11.31 | logd | hi some1 knows what section ivtv driver is under kernel 2.6.22 config ? |
| 15:11.42 | valdyn | sebastian: the decoders are the same, for those players |
| 15:11.43 | sebastian | abrotman, For how long?! |
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| 15:11.54 | abrotman | sebastian: til it gets into testing .. could be days .. could be weeks |
| 15:12.02 | sebastian | -.- |
| 15:12.10 | valdyn | at least 10 days |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | at this point .. it's at least 10 days |
| 15:12.25 | abrotman | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 15:12.26 | sebastian | Zzzz.. |
| 15:12.28 | abrotman | sebastian: ^^^ |
| 15:12.34 | sebastian | I'll go to Etch... |
| 15:12.54 | sebastian | I've reinstalled my system like 10 times in 2 weeks.. |
| 15:13.16 | sebastian | 1. Because of hardware fails 2. Cause of debian fail |
| 15:13.21 | sebastian | bleh! |
| 15:13.30 | atealtha | so does anyone know a way for testing to install an etch package reliably? |
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| 15:13.33 | sebastian | so.. lets pop in the Debian Etch CD |
| 15:13.56 | valdyn | sebastian: if you reinstall at each minor issue like this |
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| 15:14.06 | valdyn | sebastian: i cant wait for a 3 digit reinstall number ;) |
| 15:14.09 | eifzon | how can i upgrade linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 to 2.6.20-1 ? |
| 15:14.20 | abrotman | debian didn't fail .. the admin did |
| 15:14.32 | atealtha | eifzon: I think they can co-exist |
| 15:14.39 | eifzon | atealtha: huh? :P |
| 15:14.45 | valdyn | eifzon: that's not an upgrade for the package management |
| 15:14.57 | stew | eifzon: linux-kernel-headers 2.6.20-1 doesn't exist, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:14.58 | sebastian | valdyn, yeahyeah.. But like, WTF.. VLC is an "Of course" pakage |
| 15:15.04 | valdyn | eifzon: ops |
| 15:15.08 | sebastian | and i dont care if its not 10 days old |
| 15:15.13 | valdyn | eifzon: i misread, KEEP those headers, you dont want to change those |
| 15:15.14 | eifzon | stew: i am using 2.6.21-1-686 atm |
| 15:15.18 | eifzon | ok valdyn |
| 15:15.24 | sebastian | Cant they have an old release of VLC in the deb pakaegs.. |
| 15:15.26 | sebastian | Zzzz |
| 15:15.27 | valdyn | eifzon: those headers arent what you think |
| 15:15.29 | stew | eifzon: you are confusing linux-headers and linux-kernel-headers |
| 15:15.33 | valdyn | eifzon: leave them alone |
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| 15:15.46 | abrotman | sebastian: there are like 10 other media players in debian .. i'm sure one would suffice |
| 15:15.48 | eifzon | stew: ok |
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| 15:15.58 | Blackvel | ok. no way to install iptables as it has no access to the /dev/initctl device |
| 15:16.02 | sebastian | abrotman, I still want VLC.. |
| 15:16.05 | eifzon | but nvidia installer says: be sure you have kernel-source installed |
| 15:16.13 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 15:16.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 15:16.16 | abrotman | sebastian: then wait ... it'll be there eventually |
| 15:16.17 | valdyn | sebastian: ^^^ |
| 15:16.40 | stew | eifzon: linux-headers are for compiling 3rd party modules into the kernel, linux-kernel-headers are for compiling userspace binaries that communicate with the kernel, i'm guessing you are trying to compile a device driver |
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| 15:16.52 | eifzon | stew: yes |
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| 15:17.07 | sebastian | But hm.. I cant go to etch... Etch does't have XFCE4.4 |
| 15:17.14 | sebastian | It only has 3.99 or sumthing |
| 15:17.25 | sebastian | So I guess i'll have to w8 |
| 15:17.42 | sebastian | Now its "Dr Who 4 season maraton" |
| 15:17.43 | abrotman | totem with w32codecs is a decent player |
| 15:17.43 | stew | sebastian: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:18.07 | eifzon | stew: you know how to solve this? |
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| 15:18.29 | stew | eifzon: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:18.44 | stew | eifzon: or why do you want linux-headers that are older than the kernel you are running? |
| 15:18.46 | eifzon | stew: install nvidia drivers |
| 15:18.54 | stew | eifzon: i'm not the one to ask about that |
| 15:18.54 | eifzon | stew: i dont want |
| 15:18.56 | eifzon | okko |
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| 15:19.14 | eifzon | but i cant find nvidia-kernel-2.6.20 in apt-get |
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| 15:19.49 | logd | hi some1 knows what section ivtv driver is under kernel 2.6.22 config ? |
| 15:20.21 | RvGaTe | any way to easily mount a .iso as a cdrom drive? (extracting it gives me no files, tho when i mount in windows using daemon tools, it does give me files... so i maybe it can make a difference) |
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| 15:20.46 | abrotman | RvGaTe: over loop |
| 15:20.58 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 15:20.58 | dpkg | somebody said mount iso was mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso |
| 15:21.13 | RvGaTe | abrotman, thx, ill give it a shot |
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| 15:22.41 | sebastian | sebastian@caffeine:~$ glxgears |
| 15:22.41 | sebastian | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 15:22.41 | sebastian | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 15:22.50 | sebastian | Why is that :/ |
| 15:23.00 | abrotman | extension GLX is missing! |
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| 15:23.15 | eifzon | can anyone help me with my nvidia driver? ;[ |
| 15:23.22 | sebastian | abrotman, So how do I fix it? |
| 15:23.36 | wols | sebastian: by installing the proper driver for your videocard |
| 15:23.38 | wols | which card |
| 15:23.43 | abrotman | sebastian: which card, and which driver |
| 15:23.46 | RvGaTe | eifzon, sure, just state ur question... and anyone who can answer, will do so... |
| 15:23.49 | sebastian | I installed nvidia-glx |
| 15:23.56 | sebastian | I have a nvidia 7950 GT |
| 15:24.03 | eifzon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.16 | eifzon | sebastian: i recommend you to get the latest from nvidia.com :) i am also using 7950gt |
| 15:24.21 | sebastian | ok :) |
| 15:24.26 | abrotman | uhm |
| 15:24.27 | sebastian | But then you got to kill X.. |
| 15:24.28 | sebastian | x| |
| 15:24.31 | abrotman | doesn't that card use the legacy driver ? |
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| 15:24.33 | wols | eifzon: don't tell people to do that in here please |
| 15:24.33 | RvGaTe | eifzon, sorry, wasn't paying attention :) |
| 15:24.35 | sebastian | I'll install them anyways.. |
| 15:24.38 | eifzon | sebastian: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm-kdm stop |
| 15:24.40 | stew | heh, he's recommending it, but he can't get it working :) |
| 15:24.46 | abrotman | and the driver from nvidia.com will break it even worse in that case |
| 15:24.51 | eifzon | wols: aha sorry :-{ |
| 15:24.51 | sebastian | eifzon, Know... been there, done that ^^ |
| 15:24.54 | eifzon | stew: cause i changed kernel |
| 15:24.54 | wols | sebastian: if you do that, eifzon will be the only one in here helping you. and between you and me: he doens't know much |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:25.07 | eifzon | wols: i know how to install it. |
| 15:25.13 | abrotman | just not how to make it work! |
| 15:25.18 | eifzon | haha |
| 15:25.25 | wols | eifzon: I have logs that prove you don't know anything. so please stop |
| 15:25.29 | RvGaTe | cmon guys, dont get in a fight now :P |
| 15:25.45 | eifzon | wols: i have logs that you are a lamer |
| 15:25.46 | eifzon | now i do :) |
| 15:26.01 | sebastian | Im going out of X now.. I'll be back on irssi or something |
| 15:26.05 | stew | eifzon: wols: stop. please keep it constructive |
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| 15:27.57 | stew | !tell root____1 about root |
| 15:27.58 | abrotman | !tell root____1 about root |
| 15:28.02 | irule | do I need nmap not netstat or tcpdump? I dont know how to use any of them but I just want to know clearly what are the actual ports used by a client-server app, it is some UDP port, etherape just reports UDP-unknown, but I need more info, in real time |
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| 15:28.24 | wols | irule: netstat -anp|grep udp |
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| 15:28.27 | wols | irule: netstat -anp|grep -i udp |
| 15:28.30 | irule | thanks |
| 15:28.30 | nono31 | hello |
| 15:28.31 | sebastian | So.. |
| 15:28.35 | sebastian | Lets install those drivers |
| 15:28.42 | wols | if you have access to the server, use netstat |
| 15:29.00 | abrotman | isn't 7xxx now on legacy drivers? |
| 15:29.08 | wols | it is |
| 15:29.12 | solemnwarning | :) |
| 15:29.13 | cyzie | waht is the package needed to "bridge|link" mysql with phpmyadmin? |
| 15:29.18 | wols | with his card, he needs 8776 or 9xxx |
| 15:29.19 | solemnwarning | rsync DID speed my backup up ^^ |
| 15:29.30 | wols | cyzie: php?-mysql |
| 15:29.32 | solemnwarning | It took about 15-20 mins off of the backup time |
| 15:29.35 | nono31 | I installed gnome (debian sid) and my application menu is emptu. When I try to load gnome-control-manger, it says: failed loading gnomecc.menu. Someone knows how to solve this problem? |
| 15:29.52 | sebastian | Wtf.. It says that my system doesn't hav gcc.. but hm.. maybe it doesn't |
| 15:29.54 | abrotman | solemnwarning: it should take less if few files change |
| 15:29.57 | abrotman | !b-e sebastian |
| 15:29.57 | dpkg | sebastian: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:30.07 | eifzon | maybe shall continue using the other kernel :P |
| 15:30.10 | beardy | nono31: Yes you, since you run sid. |
| 15:30.20 | cyzie | wols, yes, install them but when go to the link, it prompt to download |
| 15:30.21 | sebastian | abrotman: is it possible to do that with apt-get? |
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| 15:30.30 | solemnwarning | abrotman: I benchmarked rsync+ssh and rsyncd using a full backup |
| 15:30.32 | abrotman | nono31: there was an email about some menu structure change the other day .. check the debian-devel-announce list .. i'm not sure what exactly it impacts |
| 15:30.37 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ah ok |
| 15:30.54 | wols | cyzie: that means your apache is wrongly configured. wrong mimetype or php module not loaded |
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| 15:30.56 | solemnwarning | The rsyncd was faster, with SSH sshd was whoring most of the CPU so rsyncd slowed down :P |
| 15:30.59 | sebastian | abrotman: nvm |
| 15:31.00 | cast | solemnwarning: use ssh with the null cipher set and it should be alot more comparable :) |
| 15:31.07 | wols | cyzie: nothing to do with php to mysql link |
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| 15:31.11 | solemnwarning | null cipher? |
| 15:31.25 | edistar | cyzie: restart your apache ;) |
| 15:31.42 | sebastian | Hm.. not nvidia-installer complains about libc header file.. |
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| 15:31.50 | nono31 | abrotman: i'll have a look at it |
| 15:32.13 | cast | solemnwarning: ciphertext = plaintext, so you lose privacy, should check if the authentication is still good - should be. or use blowfish as the cipher, thats a bit faster |
| 15:32.22 | wols | sebastian: is this the nvidia.com installer? |
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| 15:32.41 | Rawplayer | hey, why is there no libapache2-mod-gzip? |
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| 15:32.45 | beardy | eifzon: Behave. |
| 15:32.47 | Rawplayer | in debian stable |
| 15:32.55 | cyzie | wols, phpmodule loaded |
| 15:33.15 | solemnwarning | cast: I mean, there's a way to disable encryption? |
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| 15:33.31 | sebastian | wols: Yeah |
| 15:34.07 | sebastian | wols: do you know what pakage I shold get? |
| 15:34.25 | cast | solemnwarning: it is [or at least was] a compile time option, debian pkgs were built without it |
| 15:34.37 | solemnwarning | ah |
| 15:34.52 | solemnwarning | Should I just stick with rsyncd? :P |
| 15:34.59 | cast | is this over a lan? |
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| 15:35.08 | solemnwarning | A PIII 450 with software RAID-5 does not like encrypted transfers |
| 15:35.09 | solemnwarning | ofc! |
| 15:35.15 | xand | ORLY |
| 15:35.17 | solemnwarning | Who would use rsyncd over the 'net? :\ |
| 15:35.56 | Exy | Gentoo |
| 15:35.57 | cast | i wasn't sure if you were accessing rsyncd over an ssh tunnel or not, but if you're not then just stick with that! i personally use netcat, though nbd is neat |
| 15:36.16 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: I have.. with SSH |
| 15:36.17 | cast | solemnwarning: my isp does have an rsync mirror though :) |
| 15:36.19 | wols | cyzie: http://paste.debian.net/32159 compare it with yours |
| 15:36.24 | Bushmills | is Debian illegal in germany now? |
| 15:36.39 | edistar | Bushmills: well...if you use 'hacker tools' :P |
| 15:36.41 | wols | Bushmills: will soon be |
| 15:36.51 | wols | mabye we need a non-de mirror now :P |
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| 15:37.05 | wols | edistar: it comes with nmap and wireshark... |
| 15:37.11 | edistar | Bushmills: hacker tools being things linke nmap etc... |
| 15:37.13 | Bushmills | edistar: includes "tools to intercept data" |
| 15:37.16 | edistar | :P |
| 15:37.18 | cast | and vim. vim is pretty dangerous :o |
| 15:37.35 | maxamillion | cast: not dangerous, just requires a little patience and reading |
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| 15:37.38 | Bushmills | there is no mention of "hacker tools" but of "tools to spy out and intercept data" |
| 15:37.39 | maxamillion | :) |
| 15:37.39 | edistar | but who cares? If you can convince them that you will not use them for hacking everything is alright.. |
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| 15:38.18 | edistar | debian would need a german fork ;) |
| 15:38.36 | cast | "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." |
| 15:38.36 | Bushmills | Ronin: because there is a law now against obtaining and distributing the aforementioned tools |
| 15:38.44 | edistar | else schaeubles trojan will search every german pc for debian and mark the owner as a terrorist |
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| 15:39.45 | Bushmills | but it doesn't say anything about *using* these tools, i think |
| 15:39.45 | Ronin | heh almost typed lol Bushmills |
| 15:39.46 | solemnwarning | Welcome to earth, you are terrorist number #oo |
| 15:40.26 | solemnwarning | hah |
| 15:40.33 | wols | Ronin: our gov today passed a law that declares "hacker tools" illegal. even the ownership of them |
| 15:40.41 | sebastian | So :) |
| 15:40.48 | sebastian | Nvidia installed |
| 15:40.52 | sebastian | back to X |
| 15:40.57 | Ronin | wols: did they define hacker tools or is it one of those typical vague things govts love to do |
| 15:41.07 | MangosDebian | wols: welcome to canada! Home of all things ipsec :) |
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| 15:41.16 | cast | wols: so where do you stand if you had nmap yesterday, legally, but it is now illegal today. have you became a criminal? |
| 15:41.18 | MangosDebian | wols: shall I make reservations for you? :) |
| 15:41.22 | sebastian | Now we'll se if it works :P |
| 15:41.38 | sebastian | It works like a charm :) |
| 15:41.46 | sebastian | 84152 frames in 5.0 seconds = 16830.306 FPS |
| 15:41.55 | bzed | cast: I think if you had it yesterday you'd be allowed to keep it, but you'd not be allowed to use it |
| 15:41.56 | valdyn | Bushmills: its no law |
| 15:42.11 | beardy | Yes. ANd so is your evil editor, with which you terrorise mankind, you terrorist! Give me that keyboard, you hacker-tool wielding scum! |
| 15:42.13 | Bushmills | valdyn: it will probably be soon |
| 15:42.18 | Bushmills | awaiting ratification |
| 15:42.31 | xembrx | jeez, even telnet can be a hacker tool |
| 15:42.45 | beardy | (as always, also see the hacker/cracker definitions, you fucktards.) |
| 15:42.52 | bzed | xembrx: right, ro you could use your favourite browser |
| 15:43.12 | xembrx | so all computer users are now criminals |
| 15:43.16 | xembrx | w00t |
| 15:43.18 | nono31 | abrotman: wrong permissions on /etx/xdg/menus folder |
| 15:43.19 | Ronin | sweet |
| 15:43.47 | nono31 | abrotman: I guess this is package problem... |
| 15:43.56 | sebastian | Lets see if Counterstrike works on debian lenny.. |
| 15:44.06 | wols | cast: yes I'm a criminal then now |
| 15:44.17 | wols | and yes I have nmap isntalled. maybe even a password cracker *gasp* |
| 15:44.21 | Bushmills | the pipe symbol is outlawed |
| 15:44.25 | sebastian | cast, why? |
| 15:44.27 | sebastian | ^^ |
| 15:44.33 | Bushmills | as its is meant to intercept data |
| 15:44.43 | valdyn | wols: the law talks about things like intended purpose |
| 15:44.47 | Bushmills | which is, according the text of the law, illegal |
| 15:44.48 | valdyn | wols: its junk |
| 15:44.53 | cast | Bushmills: and tee is clearly a wiretaping tool |
| 15:45.09 | MangosDebian | Ronin: wonder if you can make a few bucks calling crime stoppers on all the univeristy mirrors :) |
| 15:45.24 | Bushmills | right. there will be a german unix variant, with tee and pipe disabled |
| 15:45.32 | Ronin | MangosDebian: nice idea, i have a mortage payment coming too |
| 15:45.38 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 15:46.20 | wols | valdyn: of course it's junk but they still have a law now they can bascally use to make every computer user a criminal if they need to. isn't that a handy thing? |
| 15:46.24 | MangosDebian | cast: and what, gcc and a debugger isnt? |
| 15:46.38 | Ronin | wonder how long till the u.s passes that law |
| 15:46.40 | irule | while true; do sudo netstat -anp|grep -i xten; sleep 1 ; clear ; done and while true; do sudo netstat -anp|grep -i asterisk; sleep 1 ; clear ; done I see no matching ports, is this normal? |
| 15:46.44 | MangosDebian | wols: BINGO! |
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| 15:46.46 | sebastian | does anyone know where i can download tahoma.tff |
| 15:46.48 | cast | gpg2 is under the gplv3 now :) |
| 15:46.54 | Bushmills | oh ... windows knows pipes too. sue the bastards. |
| 15:47.09 | wols | sebastian: msttcorefonts. in contrib |
| 15:47.45 | valdyn | wols: no, i mean its junk in the sense that the state will have to prove not only the possible application but also the intended application |
| 15:47.45 | MangosDebian | wols: can you blame them though? its only so they dont have to deal with scum that get around loopholes when they get caught tracking to root 1000+ pc's I think moreso than for everyday joe's using linux |
| 15:47.55 | valdyn | wols: which is just silly, and wont work |
| 15:48.06 | MangosDebian | trying* |
| 15:48.07 | wols | valdyn: haha |
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| 15:48.28 | wols | it's what we germans call a "rubberlaw" (literal translation |
| 15:48.36 | wols | e.g. you can apply it to everything and everyone |
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| 15:49.02 | grendal_prime | i dont get it..im totally lost...they outlawed pipe? as in | ?? |
| 15:49.05 | sebastian | wols, It wasnät there.. |
| 15:49.05 | wols | valdyn: of course it will only be used vrey sparingly and rearely if ever will it be used to convict people |
| 15:49.10 | sebastian | wasn't* |
| 15:49.15 | cajetanus | !about lenny |
| 15:49.18 | wols | but: it can always be used to make people compy |
| 15:49.20 | wols | +l |
| 15:49.23 | valdyn | wols: Streichung der P2P-Bagatellklausel worries me more |
| 15:49.27 | wols | !info mosstocrefont etch |
| 15:49.43 | bzed | !info msstocrefont etch |
| 15:49.59 | Bushmills | but .. one can deliver flawed code to a german customer, and upon complaints, explain that the program can't be debugged because of the local laws. |
| 15:49.59 | wols | !info msstcorefont etch |
| 15:50.02 | cahoot | msttcorefont? |
| 15:50.03 | cajetanus | !info lenny |
| 15:50.17 | cast | !info msttcorefonts |
| 15:50.18 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 15:50.22 | j777m | zoo? |
| 15:50.23 | MangosDebian | !listvalues corefonts |
| 15:50.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'corefonts' by value (5): msttcorefonts ;; update-fonts-scale ;; ttf xf4 ;; ttf ;; msttcorefonts #DEL#. |
| 15:50.31 | wols | sebastian: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=msttcorefonts&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 15:50.35 | wols | there it is |
| 15:50.48 | MangosDebian | hmm, along with a deleted one :/ |
| 15:51.07 | Bushmills | and all glas fiber repeaters are illegal too |
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| 15:52.01 | valdyn | Bushmills: do you have a link to the actual law text? |
| 15:52.23 | Bushmills | valdyn: on the main lines |
| 15:52.45 | sebastian | wols, It was there, but tahoma.tff was not. |
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| 15:53.18 | valdyn | Bushmills: main lines? |
| 15:53.46 | wols | sebastian: then I guess you have to copy it from a windows install |
| 15:53.52 | wols | sebastian: if you have one that is |
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| 15:54.07 | sebastian | wols, Iäm on my way asking a friend to sent it.. |
| 15:54.08 | wols | !defoma |
| 15:54.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
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| 15:54.34 | wols | IE installs should come with it too I thought |
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| 15:54.59 | hark | sebastian: it was added to it, but removed. It's part of upstream iirc |
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| 15:56.19 | wols | sebastian: have you sorted your nvidia problem btw? |
| 15:56.20 | rgsteele | Since when does dpkg speak with British English spellings? |
| 15:56.26 | sebastian | wols, Yeah :D |
| 15:56.30 | hark | sebastian: because it didn't have a bold counterpart |
| 15:56.41 | sebastian | Works like a charm wols, 16000fps |
| 15:56.42 | sebastian | :) |
| 15:56.48 | sebastian | On glxgears.. |
| 15:56.53 | wols | that is no benchmark |
| 15:56.57 | wols | but have fun |
| 15:57.08 | sebastian | I know.. |
| 15:57.11 | sebastian | But still ^^ |
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| 15:57.59 | Blackvel | if I update /etc/hosts.den |
| 15:58.01 | Blackvel | deny |
| 15:58.02 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i'm using a ibm thinkpad and the new etch, now i have plugged in an external monitor |
| 15:58.16 | Blackvel | with a all: ip and the user can still access the ssh port |
| 15:58.20 | rocketmagnet | it works but the laptop also displays the screen =( |
| 15:58.25 | Blackvel | wouldn't it mean that this does not work? |
| 15:58.27 | rocketmagnet | someone an idea how to turn this off ? |
| 15:58.43 | cajetanus | rgsteele: Isn't Scott Remnant from England ? |
| 15:58.43 | rocketmagnet | and is debian able to see if another monitor is plugged in ? |
| 15:59.01 | Blackvel | do I have to reload any process when I updated /etc/hosts.deny or may this be the result of that the vserver disables interface/iptables FW access? |
| 15:59.21 | stew | rocketmagnet: fn-f7 |
| 15:59.35 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: echo lcd_disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/video |
| 15:59.36 | rgsteele | cajetanus: Say who now? |
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| 15:59.55 | cajetanus | He works for ubuntu now, but was maintainer of dpkg for long time |
| 16:00.00 | valdyn | stew: fn-f7 -- which package does that? |
| 16:00.11 | cajetanus | Scott James Remnant, the old maintainer of ubuntu |
| 16:00.12 | stew | valdyn: the hardware does that |
| 16:00.19 | cajetanus | sorry i meant dpkg |
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| 16:00.28 | cajetanus | http://www.netsplit.com/ |
| 16:00.34 | valdyn | stew: ah, neat |
| 16:00.35 | wols | valdyn: fn as that key on the notebook keyboarfd |
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| 16:00.49 | valdyn | yea, i use this, i just dont remember how or if i set it up |
| 16:01.18 | wols | ah |
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| 16:02.01 | Azar | bah, the way I read around germany is a strong supporter of Debian |
| 16:02.19 | wols | Azar: it usually is |
| 16:02.49 | Azar | wols: I guess by "hacker" tools they ment "cracker" tools... |
| 16:03.07 | wols | it does not matter what they "meant". it matters what they wrote into the law |
| 16:03.18 | cajetanus | !info dpkg |
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| 16:03.19 | dpkg | dpkg: (package maintenance system for Debian), section admin, is required. Version: 1.14.5 (sid), Packaged size: 2018 kB, Installed size: 6484 kB |
| 16:03.24 | wols | and nmap is a cracker tool, even if legitimate usually |
| 16:03.38 | Azar | wols: did they described in detail which "hacker" tools they ban? |
| 16:03.55 | valdyn | wording isn't that important in germany |
| 16:04.00 | Azar | nmap... hmmm |
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| 16:04.02 | valdyn | at least compared to usa |
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| 16:04.08 | jumperz | what's the point in having nmap on the computer? |
| 16:04.18 | jumperz | i can use it in my local network |
| 16:04.30 | Azar | the only stuff I read they banned recently is the using of G-mail word |
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| 16:04.37 | rocketmagnet | hi again, the fn stuff brought me to text screen but i was not able to switch back |
| 16:04.51 | valdyn | Azar: 'banned'? that's a trademark |
| 16:04.55 | wols | Azar: that's different. and they didn't ban it. it's google's fault, no one elses |
| 16:04.58 | valdyn | Azar: just not owned by google |
| 16:05.00 | rocketmagnet | now i've done a reboot and plugged the monitor before booting |
| 16:05.08 | rocketmagnet | so i see only one screen =) |
| 16:05.17 | Azar | valdyn: they are not recognizing since one german citizen has the rights over it, since 1999 |
| 16:05.26 | valdyn | Azar: not exactly |
| 16:05.40 | jumperz | wait |
| 16:05.41 | stew | rocketmagnet: hitting fn-f7 should cycle between the three states of {external only, internal only, both} |
| 16:05.45 | jumperz | is the kernel illegal? |
| 16:05.45 | Azar | ..well yes :) something like that |
| 16:05.47 | rocketmagnet | the important question now: can i make different screen solutions if the monitor is plugged in without hurting my old laptop config ? |
| 16:05.50 | jumperz | it has a packet generator |
| 16:05.55 | jumperz | potentially harmful |
| 16:06.03 | valdyn | Azar: 'rights' are not enough, he had to actually use that trademark for a purpose - that's why that lawsuit |
| 16:06.07 | valdyn | Azar: something like that |
| 16:06.09 | rocketmagnet | stew: oh - i just haven't read carefully enouth |
| 16:06.10 | cajetanus | lol |
| 16:06.10 | Azar | well, let's not boil over, we'll see |
| 16:06.30 | rocketmagnet | stew: because the normal fn-switch does not work at all |
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| 16:07.00 | Azar | germany is a smart nation, and as such they value Debian |
| 16:07.24 | valdyn | Azar: i need the law text, i ve only seen a summmary yet |
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| 16:07.28 | streuner | !Azar++ |
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| 16:07.28 | MangosDebian | is there a url for the german news? |
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| 16:07.43 | valdyn | Azar: and it talks about _intended_ purpose, not just 'possible use' |
| 16:08.02 | rocketmagnet | stew: can i make another solution only when the monitor is plugged in from beginning ? |
| 16:08.10 | Azar | valdyn: I agree, and tend to believe all this "sensation" news tend to distort, hype events |
| 16:08.15 | MangosDebian | nm |
| 16:08.16 | stew | rocketmagnet: i don't know |
| 16:08.19 | rocketmagnet | so i don't change the normal resolution of the laptop |
| 16:08.25 | rocketmagnet | k |
| 16:08.35 | valdyn | Azar: well, a little |
| 16:08.41 | rocketmagnet | maybe someone on /x11 knows =) |
| 16:08.50 | rocketmagnet | ups |
| 16:08.51 | logd | hi, i built kernel 2.6.22-rc7 with standard config: but ivtv module (which is included in .22) wasn't built : how do i enable this module ? i gazed in most menuconfig entries but didn't find an option - what i've to do ? |
| 16:08.55 | rocketmagnet | no one there |
| 16:08.57 | valdyn | Azar: its actually illigal now to circumvent copy protection. That's silly, unenforcable bullshit |
| 16:09.14 | cahoot | logd, hit / in menuconfig and search |
| 16:09.26 | streuner | MangosDebian: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/index.de.html ? |
| 16:09.37 | MangosDebian | valdyn: you know, life would be a lot better if they just make it illegal to break the law |
| 16:09.52 | Azar | valdyn: I am sure Debian does not do that, and if it does... things will be corrected :) |
| 16:09.56 | MangosDebian | streuner: ahh, got one from vnunet.com, but ill check that too, thanks |
| 16:09.57 | tralala | MangosDebian, erm... they already have |
| 16:10.05 | valdyn | Azar: debian doesnt |
| 16:10.15 | Azar | so yess!! Debian stays cool |
| 16:10.18 | MangosDebian | tralala: the saarcasm flew right past ya :) |
| 16:10.31 | valdyn | Azar: just all kids |
| 16:10.38 | rocketmagnet | stew: ah - it looks like debian is choosing the most resonable solution for the monitor |
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| 16:11.39 | logd | cahoot, thx (practically i've to check conexand support) |
| 16:11.42 | Azar | valdyn: yes, all kids that rush to install 3rd party crappy tools just to glitter their desktops |
| 16:11.49 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: run and use xrandr |
| 16:12.07 | valdyn | Azar: and copy dvds,games etc |
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| 16:12.24 | Azar | yeah and said tools be riddled with bugs :) |
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| 16:13.42 | Azar | maybe Sam H will hear me |
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| 16:16.10 | peter__ | Hello |
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| 16:18.28 | peter__ | stew, :) I have another problem ;) even two problems |
| 16:18.37 | peter__ | stew, do you have some time ? |
| 16:18.47 | streuner | !ask |
| 16:18.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:18.58 | valdyn | 'Producing or Distributing Programs whose purpose it is to steal data or break into computers' |
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| 16:19.07 | streuner | "ask the whole channel" |
| 16:19.09 | Blackvel | Is /etc/hosts.deny handled over tcp wrapping? what libraries do programs need to support to regularly check /etc/hosts.deny? libwrap? |
| 16:19.12 | valdyn | that shouldn't affect nmap or debian.. |
| 16:19.28 | streuner | you are sure? |
| 16:19.35 | streuner | of course it does |
| 16:19.44 | MangosDebian | valdyn: if that were the case, Windows could be argued as a program which can be used to facilitate that purpose |
| 16:19.53 | Blackvel | ldd sshd shows me libwrap, while postfix process "master" does not show up in the list with a libwrap of ldd master |
| 16:19.53 | streuner | even ping is effected :-) |
| 16:19.54 | valdyn | MangosDebian: exactly |
| 16:20.27 | streuner | valdyn: but justice must make that first clear, its unsecure before... |
| 16:20.33 | MangosDebian | it seems the "intent" and actualy usage is what they are giving themselves permission to prosecute over |
| 16:21.03 | valdyn | MangosDebian: proving intent is hard.. |
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| 16:21.10 | peter__ | valdyn, ;) hello again. My debian stop starting x automatic... what should if I want to have auto-startx |
| 16:21.28 | valdyn | peter__: how did you disable it? |
| 16:21.29 | streuner | install a DM? |
| 16:21.55 | peter__ | valdyn, I didnt :) just come back from school, turn on computer and that it |
| 16:22.19 | valdyn | peter__: run '/etc/init.d/gdm start' |
| 16:22.23 | wols | peter__: kde or gnome or what? |
| 16:22.26 | valdyn | peter__: as root |
| 16:22.30 | peter__ | wols, gnome |
| 16:22.37 | MangosDebian | valdyn: well, not really. hackin a pc remotely isnt much diff than making a phone call. either you connect or you dont. now proving that you installed say a keylogger in an unattended pc, of which you happen to posses the same exact version is a diff story |
| 16:22.47 | wols | then use gdm. reinstall it or reconfigure it so /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm exists |
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| 16:23.26 | Bogus8 | I'm having an issue with Samba... I can browse the home folder but can't write... I have a specific share set up that I can see from windows but I can't get in it when I give it the user/pass ... I've double checked the smbpasswd and smb.conf and all seems right |
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| 16:23.45 | drbair_laptop | does have GFS modules? |
| 16:23.59 | valdyn | MangosDebian: right, but that was more than intent there |
| 16:24.05 | semprix | is there such thing as updating the packages on debian? |
| 16:24.12 | semprix | like if i wanna install xchat.... |
| 16:24.22 | semprix | i want to get the latest version |
| 16:24.35 | Bogus8 | apt-get update |
| 16:24.43 | MangosDebian | valdyn: well, wanting to do something and actually doing it are 2 different things |
| 16:24.52 | streuner | semprix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:24.54 | Bogus8 | semprix: pretty much the basics of apt |
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| 16:25.21 | techbee | hello all |
| 16:25.21 | MangosDebian | valdyn: im cornered with false positives. those tools are probably in use by just about every competitent technician in the world |
| 16:25.32 | Nurbs | Blackvel: does postfix support tcp wrappers...? |
| 16:25.50 | sebastian | How do I remove the "Computer" "user's Home" and "trash" from the desktop in gnome?? |
| 16:26.00 | valdyn | MangosDebian: which means that proving mal intent is even harder |
| 16:26.08 | Azar | streuner: achh... :) |
| 16:26.16 | pickcoder | gah.. memory for this LTE5400 is around $150 for 64MB |
| 16:26.17 | streuner | Nurbs: ever used the searchengine of postfix.org ? |
| 16:26.24 | valdyn | MangosDebian: or vice versa, proving that htere's alot of people using nmap for no mal intent is easy |
| 16:26.37 | MangosDebian | valdyn: in which case it sounds like the law isnt too bad since you still need to prove it |
| 16:26.40 | Nurbs | streuner: ever followed this converation? |
| 16:26.44 | streuner | Azar: leader@debian.org or/and #debian-devel (sam) ;-) |
| 16:26.55 | valdyn | MangosDebian: that's my impression anyway.. |
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| 16:26.56 | wols | valdyn: can you see debian defending their shipping of nmap in court? |
| 16:26.57 | wols | I can't |
| 16:26.58 | rocketmagnet | is there a way when resizing a window to make it fit exactly the width of the screen ? because i allways have a few pixels left |
| 16:26.59 | streuner | Nurbs: no, just switched into... |
| 16:27.00 | Azar | yay! |
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| 16:27.23 | wols | but then: games without USK/ESRB ratings are illegal to ship too unless you make sure you only shit them to adults |
| 16:27.38 | valdyn | wols: you mean the would remove it out of fear? |
| 16:27.43 | wols | which means gnome-games is actually illegal in germany |
| 16:27.51 | streuner | wols: there surely come this to court and we'll see what happens |
| 16:27.54 | Bogus8 | when I use smbclient on local host I get tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME |
| 16:27.56 | rocketmagnet | really ?? |
| 16:28.02 | Azar | hahaha.. |
| 16:28.02 | techbee | how can i upgrade compiz in etch from sid |
| 16:28.07 | MangosDebian | wols: nmap could be compared with a hammer or a screwdriver or a steak knife. All could be used for nefaarious purposes, but their possesion typically has other uses |
| 16:28.10 | azeem | techbee: you shouldn't |
| 16:28.12 | Nurbs | Blackvel: anyway, I don't think it comes with support for TCP wrappers so that's fine... |
| 16:28.16 | wols | techbee: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:28.33 | valdyn | wols: the fsf or spi can easily afford that lawsuit, ianal, but i dont see a problem there |
| 16:28.49 | tralala | techbee, first of all check for an existing backport and if there isn't backport it yourself |
| 16:28.53 | streuner | wols: there must be a "Grundsatzurteil" in order to be safe (Landgerichte, Verfassungsgerichte) |
| 16:29.05 | Bogus8 | but yet if I do my home directory I can see it with the same user/pass... just can't write |
| 16:29.10 | wols | streuner: do you know any? I don't |
| 16:29.17 | streuner | wols: not yet |
| 16:29.39 | wols | the game law was passed after Erfurt shootings I think. quite some years ago... |
| 16:29.55 | valdyn | umm |
| 16:30.07 | valdyn | that 'law', it doesnt affect even cryis, does it? |
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| 16:30.15 | valdyn | that IS one bloody game |
| 16:30.28 | tralala | which game are we talking about? |
| 16:30.31 | wols | valdyn: crysis has a USK rating being highly commercial and all |
| 16:30.37 | wols | tralala: any game |
| 16:30.51 | valdyn | wols: oh, point |
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| 16:31.08 | wols | but I dunno about psdoom or things like that :) |
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| 16:31.26 | atealtha | if a debian system has etch-backports in the sources list, how can the admin make sure it always installs from etch (stable) unless explicitly specified for the backport? |
| 16:31.27 | Azar | achhh psdoom, the dream tool of my life |
| 16:32.14 | wols | atealtha: read backports.org. they tell you |
| 16:32.19 | semprix | is there a way to use colors on the init scripts? |
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| 16:32.29 | atealtha | wols: I've been looking there |
| 16:32.36 | valdyn | semprix: they are already used |
| 16:32.53 | wols | atealtha: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 16:32.55 | wols | look harder |
| 16:33.25 | semprix | valdyn, during boot process it doesnt have colors on it |
| 16:33.27 | Azar | ..and if psdoom is too violent for general audience, let's have a psmario |
| 16:33.36 | atealtha | ahh off by default |
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| 16:33.40 | atealtha | thanks |
| 16:33.50 | wols | Azar: things like mariokarts where you run other people off the track? |
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| 16:34.02 | wols | just cause you use a cute plumber doesn't make it less violent :) |
| 16:34.08 | Azar | hahaha |
| 16:34.23 | Azar | flollinux is pinging |
| 16:34.30 | streuner | Dont do that, flo|linux! |
| 16:34.36 | flo|linux | sry |
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| 16:34.47 | Phil4 | hi guys, this is the second time I've had this rather unusual problem... if I have something which heavily uses the bind9 on my server for lookups, a null route for that IP gets added. Firstly, is this a "feature" of bind9? And secondly, how do I remove the route (http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=580) |
| 16:34.54 | MangosDebian | he's a hacker! |
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| 16:35.12 | MangosDebian | german gov gonna hang him for sure ;) |
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| 16:35.13 | wols | MangosDebian: but he's in the UK, that's ok |
| 16:35.16 | jeward | Hi, I'm trying to set up a debian mirror using anonftpsync against rsync.kernel.org and am wondering if anyone can help me out. |
| 16:35.22 | maxamillion | MangosDebian: so what if he is, you not confident in your iptables setup? :P |
| 16:35.27 | Azar | MangosDebian: don't be paranoid, some people are pressing wrong keys sometimes |
| 16:35.28 | MangosDebian | wols: i thought .de was german? |
| 16:35.35 | streuner | well, that was an attac and you could get serious problems in germany |
| 16:35.39 | jeward | I can connect to the rsync daemon at rsync.kernel.org. |
| 16:35.39 | wols | he uses a .uk pastebin. must be a brit |
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| 16:36.22 | jeward | But hen I try to rsync a file I get: @ERROR: Unknown module 'mirrors' |
| 16:36.26 | streuner | !kill wols |
| 16:36.28 | MangosDebian | Azar: lol, i was jk, easy now :) |
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| 16:36.38 | wols | see, this is an attack, with a chemical weapon (terrorism!) and even cruelty against animals |
| 16:36.40 | streuner | wols: No? |
| 16:36.52 | MangosDebian | maxamillion: and how do you expect to firewall a irc based ctcp without blocking irc iteself hmmm? |
| 16:37.00 | streuner | yeah :-) |
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| 16:37.17 | streuner | could be, but not MUST :-) |
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| 16:37.34 | wols | MangosDebian: layer 7 filtering. application based firewall or whatever they call it |
| 16:37.38 | maxamillion | MangosDebian: i don't expect him to hack me from a ctcp ping response |
| 16:37.47 | maxamillion | that too |
| 16:37.48 | maxamillion | :P |
| 16:38.03 | wols | maxamillion: but it clearly was an attempted DOS of #debian |
| 16:38.09 | MangosDebian | wols: with iptables? i mean sure you could write your own handler for it similar to the ftp module, but still not very likely with stock iptables |
| 16:38.23 | wols | MangosDebian: google l7-filter |
| 16:38.32 | wols | it's a kernel patch tho |
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| 16:38.47 | MangosDebian | wols: someone already made one? cool |
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| 16:39.01 | MangosDebian | although should be learly of code that isnt in the kernel |
| 16:39.09 | semprix | guys is this possible? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=16288&view=previous&sid=6c3b5b7b58c5539ebc69554e05b194b8 |
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| 16:39.19 | maxamillion | virtualbox is awesome :) .. my boss is like "you have to run windows, dual boot if fine as long as you have windows" ... so i install etch and then grab vbox, now i have windows and he can stop bitching |
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| 16:40.03 | ndcc193 | question: how can i automatically start an app as a user on startup in etch |
| 16:40.05 | tzanger | hello; I'm trying to get a new debian lvm-root install to boot up. grub is in the MBR but as there's no config file I'm trying to tell it by hand... kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/vg/root, initrd /initrd.gz and boot |
| 16:40.22 | tzanger | it boots, /init runs, dev-mapper is loaded and it waits around for the root iflesystem |
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| 16:40.30 | tzanger | eventually it fails and I get the initramfs shell |
| 16:40.54 | tzanger | I can vgchange -ay from there and everything is found, but it seems that I'm doing something wrong, but I'm not sure what |
| 16:40.56 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 16:40.57 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 16:40.58 | tzanger | can anyone assist? |
| 16:41.23 | streuner | ndcc193: put it into .xsession? |
| 16:41.27 | ndcc193 | streuner: damn thing takes it over |
| 16:42.01 | streuner | ndcc193: what WM? |
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| 16:42.22 | ndcc193 | there is no gui, app is jboss and in rc.local it takes over tty1 and i cant switch to any other consoles |
| 16:42.30 | jpablo | hey people, what's the easiest way to create a debian package from a bunch of files ? |
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| 16:42.56 | ndcc193 | only way i have found so far to recover is reboot with init=/bin/bash to take it out of rc.local |
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| 16:43.11 | streuner | just a bunch of files? And why do you want that? |
| 16:44.04 | streuner | make a tgz and alien it? |
| 16:44.17 | streuner | but thats pretty evil :-) |
| 16:44.18 | jpablo | streuner: that's agood idea, thanks |
| 16:44.28 | jpablo | that enough for my purposes |
| 16:44.33 | streuner | well |
| 16:44.38 | Nyle | streuner: yo |
| 16:44.39 | Phil4 | guys how would I remove the following route: "64.85.162.192 - 255.255.255.255 !H - - - -"? |
| 16:44.48 | tzanger | anyone? What's the correct grub invocation for an lvm root system? |
| 16:45.04 | streuner | ndcc193: i dont get it, whats the real problem? |
| 16:45.42 | stew | tzanger: do you have /boot on a separate partition or is it also in lvm? |
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| 16:45.56 | tzanger | stew: /boot is /dev/hda1 and contains only the kernel, grub and initrd |
| 16:46.12 | streuner | You are setting route(s) via interfaces, why do you have that route at all? |
| 16:46.24 | stew | tzanger: then there is nothing you have to do differently for grub |
| 16:46.32 | tzanger | stew: grub's been told root (hd0,0) / kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/vg/root ro / initrd /initrd.gz / boot |
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| 16:47.11 | tzanger | stew: grub boots the kernel and passes it the initrd, this is the standard etch initrd, nothing changed... it runs dm-mapper and waits, but the vg never gets activated |
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| 16:47.37 | stew | tzanger: boot from a livecd, activate the vg, mount root, chroot and rebuild the initrd |
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| 16:48.13 | tzanger | stew: how does one rebuild the initrd? I'm an old slacker with next to zero experience in debian |
| 16:48.19 | tzanger | stew: also, can that be done from the rescue disk? |
| 16:48.28 | ndcc193 | question: how can you execute a command as a user from rc.local? |
| 16:48.37 | tzanger | i.e. netinst cd image, run the rescue option |
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| 16:49.39 | streuner | ndcc193: why do you want that at all? |
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| 16:49.53 | ndcc193 | too run the damn thing in a screen session |
| 16:50.25 | Azar | mister Nyle :) |
| 16:50.32 | stew | tzanger: either, 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version' or 'aptitude reinstall linux-image-$version' would do it |
| 16:51.03 | tralala | ndcc193, by using su |
| 16:51.08 | tzanger | stew: interesting; so the linux-image-$version package is dynamically created based on the live system? |
| 16:51.14 | stew | tzanger: you can do it from a rescue cd, but you'll want to 'mount --bind /dev /path/to/root/dev' before you chroot, and 'mount /proc ; mount /sys' after you chroot |
| 16:51.25 | tzanger | stew: *nods* |
| 16:51.31 | stew | tzanger: no, you'll have to figure out what to put instead of $version |
| 16:51.36 | jeward | Hello, can someone give me the working rsync for kernel.org? The one listed in http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full#US is wrong. |
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| 16:51.40 | ndcc193 | tralala: from rc.local? |
| 16:51.51 | tralala | yes |
| 16:51.55 | tzanger | stew: no I understand about $version; what I was saying is tha tthe contents of the initrd are dynamically created |
| 16:52.04 | atealtha | apt-get upgrade shows me "1 not fully installed or removed." but does not list the package. How can I see it? |
| 16:52.20 | atealtha | the only thing I thought of was apt-get check and that doesn't help |
| 16:52.23 | tralala | because, you see, rc.local is executed as root so you'll need to substitute the user |
| 16:52.31 | ndcc193 | su stupidjava; cd /usr/local/jboss-version/bin/run.sh <---- kills my server by taking over the console |
| 16:52.31 | stew | tzanger: yes, they are created at install time so that the initrd contains the modules neeeded to actually boot YOUR system. |
| 16:52.53 | tzanger | stew: understood. I've never been much of a fan of initrds but I do see their value. Time to do some more learning. :-) |
| 16:52.53 | stew | tzanger: i'm guessing that something wasn't there the first time you installed the kernel which cased somehting to be left out of the initrd |
| 16:52.58 | tralala | ndcc193, I'd suggest you spend some time with man su |
| 16:53.05 | ndcc193 | danke |
| 16:53.10 | stew | tzanger: yeah, one thing that makes them valuable is being able to put root on lvm :) |
| 16:53.13 | tralala | bitte |
| 16:53.19 | tzanger | stew: thanks for the help! |
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| 16:54.21 | jthomas | can anyone tell me how to fix a missing apt-get GPG key, considering that the server isn't given for where to find that key? Or, can anyone tell my why Apt says to rerun the update when thats obviously not the fix? |
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| 16:55.13 | Blackvel | nurbs: i am not sure about this. maybe it can be bundled with tcpd? tcpd is the tcp wrapper which cheks access files? |
| 16:55.18 | cast | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key keyid |
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| 16:55.46 | jthomas | cast: is keyserver a server, or specifically that word ? |
| 16:55.50 | sebastian | Yet again i ask.. How should the fstab line look like to make: /dev/sdc1 mount on /home/user/place and give the user readwrite rights on that disk? |
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| 16:56.59 | wols | sebastian: have you read man fstab? and if so: what did you come up with so far? |
| 16:57.23 | Nurbs | Blackvel: I'm not sure, might be possible to setup, but why? |
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| 16:57.31 | cast | jthomas: check that keyserver, if the keys anywhere its probably there. the keyserver is subkeys.pgp.net |
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| 16:57.43 | jthomas | cast ok thanks |
| 16:57.48 | DawnLight | is there a simple way to make a tcp/ip network between two boxes using a usb cable? |
| 16:57.57 | Nurbs | Blackvel: Most setups will use a packet filter and postfix' access or similar |
| 16:57.59 | jthomas | sebastian: on my kubuntu [/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0] just change the mount point |
| 16:58.03 | sebastian | wols, that im to impatience (does that word exist?) to read it ^^ |
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| 16:58.20 | sebastian | jthomas, Ok :) |
| 16:58.24 | sebastian | Ill try it out.. |
| 16:58.34 | jthomas | k |
| 16:58.52 | wols | sebastian: so we are too impatient to tell it to you |
| 16:58.57 | wols | if you can be lazy, we are as well |
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| 17:00.08 | jthomas | cast: it imported the two keys but i still get the apt errors |
| 17:00.19 | jthomas | meaning, i think, that it didn't work |
| 17:00.25 | sebastian | wols... |
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| 17:00.37 | cast | well not having a key is generally a W: not an error ;) |
| 17:00.47 | wols | cast: but an annoying W: |
| 17:00.48 | jthomas | whats a 'W:' ? |
| 17:00.52 | wols | warning |
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| 17:01.04 | jthomas | ok well i still get them then |
| 17:01.16 | sebastian | Isn't this channel to help? I cant learn by reading man pages.. Im as i said to impatient to read 1 page og babble when i only need to know about 1 row of it.. |
| 17:01.30 | jthomas | why doesn't apt offer to import them or something? its suggested fix is obviously wrong. |
| 17:01.30 | cast | jthomas: you found the key, you just didn't add it to the right keyring i suspect |
| 17:01.35 | wols | sebastian: this channel is there for self help |
| 17:01.42 | sebastian | lol |
| 17:01.49 | wols | sebastian: it's not for spoonfeeding. if you need that: hire a conslutant |
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| 17:02.05 | jthomas | cast possibly so, i ran what you said to run. i don't know where the keyring is otherwise. |
| 17:02.17 | Phil4 | guys how would I remove the following route: "64.85.162.192 - 255.255.255.255 !H - - - -"? |
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| 17:02.36 | wols | sebastian: /msg dpkg rules. read #3 vey carefully |
| 17:02.36 | streuner | Phil4: how did you create the route? |
| 17:02.37 | sebastian | wols has clearly missed the point of the "linux" kinda thinking.. you know; "share everything" |
| 17:02.38 | sebastian | ^^ |
| 17:02.48 | glitchdebian | hello debian |
| 17:02.49 | Phil4 | I didn't streuner |
| 17:02.50 | Adriano | sebastian |
| 17:02.52 | project9 | how can i check ssh server is working |
| 17:02.55 | glitchdebian | its my first time to use debian |
| 17:03.00 | project9 | how do i confiure users to acess ssh server |
| 17:03.02 | Phil4 | null routes seem to be created when something heavily queries my dns server |
| 17:03.07 | streuner | Phil4: how it comes that this route even exist then? |
| 17:03.08 | wols | project9: connect to it. use telnet if you want (it comes up with "openssh ...." |
| 17:03.11 | glitchdebian | thanks developers |
| 17:03.37 | Adriano | sebastian, the linux spirit is also "do your homework and don't ask again the FAQ" |
| 17:03.45 | cast | jthomas: gpg --export | apt-key add -, might need to be root to do that. in that case gpg .. > file as your user...etc.. |
| 17:03.51 | Adriano | wols is absolutely right |
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| 17:03.56 | cast | jthomas: dpkg knows. |
| 17:04.23 | streuner | sure, but it makes the spirit not even better, just drop that. |
| 17:04.33 | tzanger | man for some reason grub-install does NOT like this system |
| 17:04.40 | jthomas | what?? |
| 17:04.46 | stew | tzanger: what happens when you run 'grub-install'? |
| 17:04.50 | streuner | Phil4: did you check interfaces? |
| 17:04.53 | jthomas | dpkg knows what, cast? where to put the key? so why isn't it? |
| 17:05.03 | Phil4 | interfaces conf StaticShock? |
| 17:05.04 | Phil4 | eh |
| 17:05.11 | Phil4 | *streuner |
| 17:05.12 | cast | !keys for apt |
| 17:05.12 | dpkg | well, keys for apt is 'gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyid> ; gpg --export <keyid> | sudo apt-key add -', where <keyid> is the id apt is complaining about |
| 17:05.12 | tzanger | stew: well I ran the dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.xxx and it created a default menu.lst for me but now it's just hanging around waiting |
| 17:05.15 | tzanger | likt it did on the first install |
| 17:05.31 | streuner | Phil4: all my routes are from interfaces... |
| 17:05.32 | tzanger | I can run grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hda by hand and it seems to work |
| 17:05.39 | streuner | !interfaces |
| 17:05.39 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 17:05.44 | glitchdebian | is it posible to run web design software in debian?like dreamweavercs3,flash,adobe, and other webmaster`s software especially windows softwares....? |
| 17:05.54 | stew | tzanger: so wait, did dpkg-reconfigure... complete successfully eventually? |
| 17:05.59 | Adriano | glitchdebian: some, but not all |
| 17:05.59 | jthomas | ok cast or anyone else, here is my specific Warning: W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 NO_PUBKEY B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 17:06.01 | Phil4 | what do you mean by "interfaces" streuner? /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:06.02 | tzanger | I'm still waiting :-) |
| 17:06.08 | wols | glitchdebian: try wine |
| 17:06.09 | streuner | Phil4: yep |
| 17:06.12 | tzanger | another vt isn't showing any hung processes so that's good |
| 17:06.25 | Phil4 | there's nothing unusual in there |
| 17:06.29 | Adriano | glitchdebian: also, there's some other web dev software, quite good, specifically for linux |
| 17:06.41 | Phil4 | I've tried deleting it with the route command, but it says it doesn't exist :S |
| 17:06.46 | streuner | Phil4: well, so grep /etc about |
| 17:06.46 | stew | tzanger: it can take a while, its probing hardware |
| 17:06.52 | Adriano | glitchdebian: bluefish, quanta, screem, the gimp, nvu... |
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| 17:07.10 | stew | tzanger: and btw, there should have been no reason to run grub-install, your grub was seemingly already working |
| 17:07.20 | glitchdebian | Adriano: thanks for replying. but my agents uses windows base web softwares |
| 17:07.21 | cast | jthomas: well, you know enough that you should be able to work it out now ;) |
| 17:07.26 | tzanger | stew: no it wasn't |
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| 17:07.36 | Adriano | glitchdebian: then try wine, or keep windows |
| 17:07.39 | stew | tzanger: what makes you say that? |
| 17:07.47 | kingsley | What's easiest way for system administrators that use debian's unstable distribution to keep kernel modules up to date? |
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| 17:07.52 | tzanger | lilo didn't install (it uses that by default if /boot is xfs), grub wouldn't install, I enventually got it to install manually (which explains the lack of menu.lst) |
| 17:08.06 | jthomas | cast: i am sorry, I don't! your examples are abstract and i have no idea what is a variable or what is a command, i don't know what to do with this information nor where the keyrings are stored. |
| 17:08.12 | Phil4 | checking streuner |
| 17:08.24 | wols | kingsley: sysadmins don't use unstable :) |
| 17:08.27 | tralala | kingsley, the easiest thing for system administrators to do is to use debian stable |
| 17:08.32 | wols | kingsley: stop asking trick questions :) |
| 17:08.36 | stew | kingsley: can you be more specific? |
| 17:08.58 | wols | kingsley: usually the way to keep track of modules is modules-assistant |
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| 17:09.27 | cast | jthomas: well the problem is that apt is missing a gpg public key, so it can't verify the packages. you have to import that key into apts list of keys that it uses to validate packages. |
| 17:09.28 | sebastian | wols, On my ntfs fstab thingy i just had to add "rw,uid=1000" to get RW rights.. |
| 17:10.33 | jthomas | cast i get that. i don't get what to do to make it happen. [gpg --keyserver mirrors.kernel.org --recv-key B5D0C804ADB11277] doesn't function, i get refused. |
| 17:10.33 | wols | sebastian: umask is the better choice imho |
| 17:10.37 | cast | jthomas: one way to do this would be as root run gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key A70DAF536070D3A1|apt-key add - |
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| 17:11.27 | cast | jthomas: fuck, that cmd is wrong. |
| 17:11.28 | jthomas | cast thanks that makes some more sense i think, assuming its a cut-and-paste... IRC needs better formatting to specify commands etc! |
| 17:11.32 | zirikili | hi all. what kernel package should I install to run on a intel xeon quad core and 8 GB ram addressing ? |
| 17:11.41 | jthomas | LOL |
| 17:11.50 | cast | jthomas: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key A70DAF536070D3A1; gpg --export A70DAF536070D3A1|apt-key add - |
| 17:12.01 | Blackvel | gotta run. have a nice evening. cu |
| 17:12.04 | streuner | !listvals xeon |
| 17:12.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xeon' by value (5): ia64 ;; 686 ;; roster_list0 ;; em64t ;; amd64. |
| 17:12.13 | glitchdebian | Adriano: last question.. can you give me some advice please?i will use this debian as a server.my workstations will be windows xp pro coz my officemates uses xp pro..what should i do in order to block all virus?my officemates are web developer they always download things.. |
| 17:12.25 | abrotman | zirikili: -686 |
| 17:12.50 | streuner | !686 |
| 17:12.50 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
| 17:13.03 | mickky_ | how can i use whois command for .es domain? is it posible??, or only for nic domains |
| 17:13.11 | glitchdebian | anyone feel free to advice me i would love too.. =) |
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| 17:13.28 | sebastian | wols, Like.. Why cant you just tell me the line.. Like, I wont be able to get anything from these 3 pages man pages that half of it i dont get. |
| 17:13.28 | Adriano | glitchdebian: there are some antiviruses that run in windows, and usually protect windows workstations |
| 17:13.32 | abrotman | glitchdebian: clamav is one method |
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| 17:13.38 | Adriano | exactly |
| 17:13.43 | streuner | zirikili: find out if you have a EM64T, if so you'll need AMD64 :-) |
| 17:13.43 | sebastian | wols, The line probably takes you 10 seconds to typ too.. |
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| 17:14.04 | cnet2 | hi.. I just bought a dell 860, with sata raid1, .. i installed debian4, how can i check if my hardware raid is working? |
| 17:14.09 | DawnLight | i have a webcam |
| 17:14.09 | jthomas | cast: so i did that (thanks!) with the two missing keys but now I get: "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: B5D0C804ADB11277" |
| 17:14.12 | wols | sebastian: because you have to TRY on your own and make an effort |
| 17:14.26 | Adriano | sebastian: it takes only ten seconds to give you the impression that's ok to ask questions instead of finding out |
| 17:14.27 | jthomas | cast: meaning that one of the keys imported but still gives the error |
| 17:14.29 | streuner | DawnLight: fine :-) find a driver for that |
| 17:14.29 | wols | if you don't want to: hire a conslutant. I'm someone here is handy |
| 17:14.29 | glitchdebian | Adriano: abrotman: ok ill research about clamav. thanks and good night |
| 17:14.33 | zirikili | streuner: I did install AMD64 and it is running showing 8 processors. |
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| 17:14.38 | abrotman | !clamav |
| 17:14.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, clamav is a widely used free(GPL/FLOSS) antivirus software toolkit for Unix-like operating systems. It is mainly used with a mail exchange server as a server-side email virus scanner. apt-get install avscan; for a gtk+ gui. ClamAV can be configured to automatically update its list of virus definitions via the Internet. Both ClamAV itself and the updates are made available free of charge. http://www.clamav.net |
| 17:14.40 | sebastian | wols, I have fucking tried on my own you tard.. |
| 17:14.43 | zirikili | streuner: probably that is the correct |
| 17:14.44 | abrotman | cute |
| 17:14.47 | abrotman | sebastian: be nice |
| 17:14.48 | esters | !sudo |
| 17:14.48 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 17:14.57 | streuner | zirikili: prolly isnt ok |
| 17:14.59 | glitchdebian | good night everyone |
| 17:15.01 | wols | sebastian: that will get you help in no time from everybody. good thinking! |
| 17:15.04 | DawnLight | i have a webcam that says on the box "2003Linux/UNIX"... where do i go from here? |
| 17:15.07 | Adriano | if you don't care enough about your problem that you can't read the manpages with attention, why should we? |
| 17:15.08 | cast | jthomas: so what do you think you should do now? :) |
| 17:15.13 | gangsterlicious | default 64-bit install; does it need any 32-bit libs to run statically compiled apps? |
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| 17:15.33 | stew | sebastian: name calling is not going to be tollerated in here. if you are that upset, you should be using /ignore instead |
| 17:15.42 | wols | gangsterlicious: does not compute. when it's statically compiled it doesn't need ANY libs hopefully |
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| 17:15.52 | jthomas | cast: i updated, i reran the command with the new key, i updated again... i am stuck. i don't know or i wouldn't be aking! :( |
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| 17:16.19 | abrotman | !ia32 |
| 17:16.19 | dpkg | it has been said that ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 17:16.21 | abrotman | bah |
| 17:16.28 | abrotman | gangsterlicious: there are some ia32-libs or something |
| 17:16.30 | Azar | damn sebastian you just offended one of the nicest helpers here! |
| 17:16.33 | jthomas | cast: if there are no public keys for that ID, why did i download and get a key? |
| 17:16.33 | streuner | zirikili: just look at the specifications for your CPU |
| 17:16.34 | Bombo | hi, how do i get amarok to play mp3 on debian? it says no mp3 engine found |
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| 17:16.43 | gangsterlicious | wols: i thought that was the case. i used 'other' 64-bit distro (arch64; pure) and didn't run company's in-house app |
| 17:16.59 | gangsterlicious | i didn't want to bother w/ 32-bit chroot |
| 17:17.14 | cahoot | DawnLight, http://mxhaard.free.fr/ |
| 17:17.16 | pickcoder | gangsterlicious: the ia32-libs package is not installed by default IIRC |
| 17:17.18 | zirikili | streuner: is 2 processors quad duo... so the cpuinfo shows 8 processors |
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| 17:17.57 | abrotman | isn't that a good thing? |
| 17:17.57 | sebastian | Azar, DOES IT LOOK like I sebastian gives a shit?! |
| 17:17.59 | cast | jthomas: B5D0C804ADB11277 is on subkeys.pgp.net |
| 17:18.07 | tralala | ia32-libs is not that different from 32bit chroot. You have to have all the libs anyway |
| 17:18.12 | stew | sebastian: Azar: drop it |
| 17:18.18 | kingsley | stew: Yes, thanks for asking. I've enjoyed apt-get's simplicity and unstable's innovation for years, but in retrospect, it seems to me that I spend altogether too much time upgrading and maintaining kernel modules on my main box. The biggest time wasters that specifically come to mind at the moment are locating header files, answering esoteric questions to configure the kernel and debugging obscure error messages from make-kpkg. I wonder whether other |
| 17:18.18 | kingsley | s who use debian's unstable distribution know an easier way to keep kernel modules up to date. |
| 17:18.26 | Azar | stew: yes, ok |
| 17:18.30 | gangsterlicious | thanks for the tips folks. let me try it out first |
| 17:19.04 | stew | kingsley: why not use stock kernels and module-assistant? |
| 17:19.20 | bzed | kingsley: either just use debian's prebuilt kernel images or.. well... to speak the truth - I'm compiling my own images since years and never had any trouble with make-kpkg |
| 17:20.01 | stew | i build a kernel once a year or so |
| 17:20.04 | kingsley | stew: Is "stock" synonymous with "precompiled"? |
| 17:20.07 | stew | kingsley: yes |
| 17:20.26 | jthomas | cast: i have solved it; after getting the new key i was exporting the old one to the keyring. I really wish Apt had better suggestions for fixing issues like this. But I appreciate your help, thank you. |
| 17:20.32 | stew | kingsley: when do you find yourself answering esoteric questions? during 'oldconfig'? |
| 17:20.43 | kingsley | bzed: How do you cope with answering the many configuration questions whenever you compile a kernel? |
| 17:20.54 | cast | jthomas: i figured you were updating the --recv-key part but not the --export :P |
| 17:20.57 | stew | kingsley: don't you have a .config from the previous kernel? |
| 17:21.05 | jthomas | cast indeed. thanks again. |
| 17:21.24 | wols | stew: especially with oldconfig when it asks me about some obscure new webcam, some old scsi driver that has finally linux support etc :) |
| 17:21.38 | wols | the most esoteric kernel config questions I always get when I use oldconfig .) |
| 17:21.39 | stew | wols: "make oldconfig < /dev/null" will take the default on all new questions |
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| 17:22.09 | cast | jthomas: its normally not an issue. if people want to screw around with third party repos, the repos generally document how to add the key in their setup documentation [backports.org, debian-multimedia] |
| 17:22.10 | wols | I think in menuconfig my brain just ignores those kind of questions :) |
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| 17:22.48 | tzanger | stew: still probing... heh |
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| 17:23.38 | bzed | kingsley: I use my last configuration and look only for changes/new stuff. |
| 17:23.43 | kingsley | stew: I've been using precompiled kernels and module-assistant, but I still find that I spend time tracking down header files and debugging make-kpkg errors. I suppose I might try to remember to download header packages at the same time as precompiled kernels, but I'd still be vulnerable to make-kpkg. |
| 17:23.52 | bzed | kingsley: make oldconfig is probably what you';re looking for |
| 17:24.21 | stew | kingsley: if you are using precompiled kernels, 'm-a prepare' should track down headers for you, and you'd have no make-kpkg errors |
| 17:24.43 | stew | kingsley: how are you using make-kpkg with a precompiled kernel? |
| 17:24.48 | abrotman | wols: do you use postfix and milters? |
| 17:25.06 | stew | isn't milters a sendmail thing? |
| 17:25.09 | wols | no milters |
| 17:25.16 | kingsley | stew: I find myself answering esoteric questions whenever I compile a new version of the kernel. It seems like there are always new options and considerations. |
| 17:25.24 | abrotman | stew: postfix also has support |
| 17:25.30 | stew | kingsley: "make oldconfig < /dev/null" |
| 17:25.41 | wols | abrotman: ask #postfix? they are wise :) |
| 17:25.43 | abrotman | seems to me if i can use a milter with postfix .. it's better than the alternative |
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| 17:25.54 | abrotman | wols: i've only ever gotten good help from f3w or whatever his name is |
| 17:26.00 | jthomas | cast that may be. but this was a debian repo AFAIK and none of my google searches had a decent usable result for a fix. i am posting this one in my blog for future searchers :) i'll thank you ;) |
| 17:26.01 | pickcoder | abrotman: what sort of milter |
| 17:26.11 | abrotman | clamav |
| 17:26.15 | pickcoder | use amavis |
| 17:26.23 | kingsley | stew: Yes, I do have an old .config, but I seem to recall that being concerned that it'd be incompatible with the new kernel's new options. |
| 17:26.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: that's one method .. yes |
| 17:26.42 | pickcoder | it's the recommended method |
| 17:26.50 | wols | isn't that another perl daemon? |
| 17:27.00 | abrotman | pickcoder: recommended by postfix or clamav ? |
| 17:27.06 | stew | kingsley: "make oldconfig < /dev/null" will make it work with the current kernel and the < /dev/null part will take the default answer to all new questions so you don't have to be bothered by them |
| 17:27.06 | pickcoder | postfix users, mostly |
| 17:27.11 | abrotman | it can't hurt i suppose |
| 17:27.15 | pickcoder | but you can do whatever you want |
| 17:27.20 | pickcoder | setup a pipe service |
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| 17:27.39 | pickcoder | and then have it dump the mail back |
| 17:27.53 | kingsley | stew: Can "m-a prepare" track down header files that aren't currently in unstable? |
| 17:28.03 | abrotman | pickcoder: yeah .. |
| 17:28.06 | stew | kingsley: no |
| 17:28.23 | stew | kingsley: well it can only track down header files that are currently apt-gettable via your sources |
| 17:28.38 | bzed | kingsley: if you ahve a kernel package form unstable there's a file with all kernel headers in unstable too. |
| 17:28.41 | Phil4 | streuner: nothing found in /etc/ |
| 17:28.52 | bzed | you just need to install it, and probably extract the tar.bz or so |
| 17:29.02 | xlq | I tried installing from the debian etch netinstall CD for x86_64. All went fine, except the kernel, which it refused to install, because of a checksum failure. |
| 17:29.10 | xlq | I md5sum'd the entire CD, and the md5sum was correct. |
| 17:29.16 | xlq | What could have gone wrong? |
| 17:29.30 | pickcoder | abrotman: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/259 |
| 17:29.36 | streuner | Phil4: care to show us your interfaces? |
| 17:29.45 | Phil4 | yah |
| 17:29.45 | abrotman | pickcoder: yeah .. i've seen that |
| 17:30.00 | bzed | xlq: the netinstall gets the kernel from the debian mirror. probably it was stuck in synchronization ... I'd try a different debian mirror |
| 17:30.10 | cast | jthomas: link! i'm bored an dcurious |
| 17:30.16 | Phil4 | streuner: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=581 |
| 17:30.23 | kingsley | stew: At the moment I'm using make-kpkg to upgrade ALSA's driver with "make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot modules-image", which is what's documented in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian. |
| 17:30.34 | abrotman | pickcoder: though the docs in /usr/share/doc/ don't mention any of that |
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| 17:30.58 | kingsley | stew: Do you really use "make oldconfig < /dev/null" in unstable? |
| 17:31.23 | xlq | bzed: it seemed to want the image on the CD |
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| 17:31.30 | stew | kingsley: m-a a-i alsa |
| 17:31.41 | pickcoder | abrotman: there's no way to cover every possible content filter setup |
| 17:31.45 | stew | kingsley: yes, but like i said, i rarely find a reason to actually compile a kernel |
| 17:31.54 | pickcoder | amavis has a bunch of AV and spam filters configured |
| 17:31.56 | abrotman | pickcoder: uhm .. it should just cover the postfix/clamav setup .. that'd work for me :) |
| 17:32.06 | abrotman | it does .. but you have to piece together a few readmes |
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| 17:32.17 | xlq | I probably want to use a different kernel anyway, is it ok to use a later kernel? |
| 17:32.20 | pickcoder | dpkg does a pretty good job setting it up |
| 17:32.27 | pickcoder | all you have to do is turn stuff on/off |
| 17:32.32 | abrotman | pickcoder: i don't really mind .. but i thought i might be doing something wrong |
| 17:32.35 | Phil4 | streuner: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=583 <-- my route |
| 17:32.40 | stew | kingsley: and are you really going to benefit from having the very slightly newer alsa in alsa-source than the alsa already contained in the kernel itself? |
| 17:32.48 | tzanger | stew: I killed the update-grub process and ran it manually and it worked immediately |
| 17:32.52 | tzanger | system's booting correctly now |
| 17:33.00 | tzanger | thanks agian for your help, I really appreciate it |
| 17:33.05 | Phil4 | as you can see, I've tried adding live routes for the IPs - which works |
| 17:33.11 | stew | tzanger: wierd. but glad it worked |
| 17:33.15 | beardy | :kingsleysmite alsa |
| 17:33.17 | Phil4 | but it'd be nice to know why the null routes are getting added and how to remove them |
| 17:33.20 | beardy | !kingsleysmite alsa |
| 17:33.20 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer alsa: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.27171131413537! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 17:33.31 | bzed | xlq: the image on the cd definitely works, at least on the etch cd. |
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| 17:33.39 | abrotman | pickcoder: yeah .. amavis takes all the fun out .. grr |
| 17:35.02 | beardy | Save that test string to a file, and.. test. |
| 17:35.29 | kingsley | bzed: Yes, I agree that kernel packages in unstable are paired with header packages, and I suppose I could try to remember to squirrel away the corresponding header package when I download a precompiled kernel, but then I'd still have to deal with make-kpkg, which I've found to be less consistent than apt-get. |
| 17:35.41 | MangosDebian | abrotman: 40hex |
| 17:35.59 | stew | kingsley: if you are using a precompiled kernel, there is no reason to use make-kpkg |
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| 17:36.24 | streuner | !qotd61 |
| 17:36.24 | dpkg | <kingsley> OK, there are just a few things that I'd rather do before I resort to using 2.6: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook and watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease. |
| 17:36.24 | beardy | abrotman: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm ? |
| 17:36.56 | jthomas | cast: ok one moment! |
| 17:37.19 | stew | OMG beardy is sending viruses to the channel! :P |
| 17:37.48 | wols | stew: your scanner gave you an alarm too? |
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| 17:38.38 | beardy | X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* START KEYLOGGER |
| 17:38.42 | beardy | OMG! |
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| 17:39.08 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 17:39.12 | jthomas | cast: http://gnuski.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:39.27 | beardy | Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if some fucker did that. |
| 17:39.43 | wols | that fucker would be an automated bot most probably |
| 17:39.54 | MangosDebian | you would think that every single av company would make one globally known test/harmless signature |
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| 17:40.08 | wols | MangosDebian: why when we have eicar? |
| 17:40.27 | kingsley | stew: I'm intrigued by your suggestion of using "m-a a-i". It looks easy, although I find myself wondering why ALSA's README.Debian file doesn't recommend it, whether it depends on make-kpkg, and whether I'd remember to squirrel away the header packages. |
| 17:41.03 | beardy | wols: Probably. |
| 17:41.23 | stew | kingsley: try running just "m-a" |
| 17:41.25 | beardy | MangosDebian: That is the reason why eicar exists.. |
| 17:41.36 | stew | kingsley: it might be just the thing you were looking for |
| 17:42.10 | beardy | I agree that is strange though, that not everyone makes their own "standard" testvirus instead, very strange. |
| 17:42.44 | beardy | streuner: Still waiting to be smited. |
| 17:42.52 | MangosDebian | beardy: yes, im reading the wall of text as we speak |
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| 17:43.17 | streuner | Phil4: write an HOWTO about (interfaces), i'll need that ;-) |
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| 17:43.37 | Phil4 | hm streuner? |
| 17:44.05 | streuner | dude, this interfaces is such complicated, only a real guru could wrote that.... |
| 17:44.22 | Phil4 | :S |
| 17:44.31 | Phil4 | it's no more complicated than any other I've seen |
| 17:45.11 | Phil4 | it's just long, heh |
| 17:45.22 | kingsley | stew: Thanks for asking if I'd benefit from having the very slightly newer alsa in alsa-source. The future is always hard to predict, especially when it involves a forecast (Mark Twain) but my ALSA is currently failing intermittently and the version of its driver is old and different from the rest, so I'd like to try upgrading ALSA's driver to a consistent and recent version. However, it seems to me that the bigger question is how to easily maintain a |
| 17:45.22 | kingsley | nd upgrade kernel modules in unstable. |
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| 17:46.26 | beardy | Define "wordshitting". |
| 17:46.32 | valdyn | hehe |
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| 17:47.24 | kingsley | stew: My eyebrows raised when I read "if you are using a precompiled kernel, there is no reason to use make-kpkg". Is my assumption correct that you recommend "m-a a-i"? |
| 17:48.11 | stew | kingsley: yes, or just run "m-a" to use the ncurses interface and browse what is available |
| 17:48.20 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:48.24 | kingsley | streuner: Thanks. That old quote made me laugh. |
| 17:48.36 | Nyle | some guy just came in with 50 pentium D cpus, my boss bought them all after testing a few for 10$ a pice |
| 17:48.41 | Nyle | thats messed up |
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| 17:50.01 | MangosDebian | Nyle: he got 50 mobo's to go with em? |
| 17:50.11 | Klekkus | can anyone plese hjelp me change the language from german to english? i'm controlling the server via ssh |
| 17:50.15 | beardy | cast: Haha |
| 17:50.22 | valdyn | !locales |
| 17:50.22 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 17:50.36 | madclicker | hi, what is the name of the firefox extension that can manipulate browser id? |
| 17:50.38 | valdyn | Klekkus: ^^^ |
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| 17:51.10 | Klekkus | valdyn: it's a server hosted in germany^^ |
| 17:51.26 | kingsley | stew: OK, thanks for your pragmatic advice on just using "m-a". I agree that it seems to theoretically be an easy way to upgrade and maintain unstable modules. |
| 17:51.29 | valdyn | Klekkus: uh? whatever |
| 17:51.35 | valdyn | Klekkus: read what dpkg said |
| 17:51.45 | abrotman | madclicker: they have a search utility at the plugin website |
| 17:51.46 | Klekkus | okey :) |
| 17:51.57 | abrotman | madclicker: search for "user agent" |
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| 17:53.38 | kingsley | stew: From your experience, how important has it been to use the latest version of module-assistant? |
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| 17:54.20 | stew | kingsley: it has not been important |
| 17:54.45 | Klekkus | dpkg: do you know what shoul stand in the file afterwrds? |
| 17:54.45 | Klekkus | LANG=de_DE@euro |
| 17:54.45 | Klekkus | LANGUAGE="de_DE:de:en:GB:en" |
| 17:55.05 | DawnLight | cahoot: i've compiled and loaded the module for my camera. now i have to deal with v4l? |
| 17:55.07 | valdyn | Klekkus: you dont need to read that file at all |
| 17:55.15 | valdyn | Klekkus: just run the command and relogin |
| 17:55.24 | valdyn | !what are you |
| 17:55.24 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:55.29 | Klekkus | okey |
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| 17:58.34 | Azar | holey moley guacamole!! http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2878 |
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| 17:59.12 | jelly | hm, how do I list available tables in a postgresql db? |
| 17:59.30 | Kobaz | i thknk theres a thing like \t |
| 17:59.33 | Kobaz | look at the help |
| 17:59.35 | Nyle | yeh he got a bunch of mobos |
| 17:59.37 | Nyle | and video cards |
| 18:00.07 | jelly | ah, \? is helpful |
| 18:00.08 | Azar | lenny got tons of packages! |
| 18:00.20 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:00.22 | Nyle | er.. up |
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| 18:00.36 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me what are my problems here http://paste.debian.net/32164 ? i am trying to use my webcam |
| 18:00.42 | Azar | Nyle: eh, still at home bored... lucky you are at work |
| 18:00.42 | jelly | Kobaz: thanks |
| 18:00.53 | Nyle | yeh i get paid to chat |
| 18:00.56 | Nyle | and watch youtube |
| 18:01.00 | Nyle | and listen to metal |
| 18:01.03 | Nyle | etc. etc. etc. |
| 18:01.19 | Azar | bah never got time to do personal stuff at work, lots of stuff to do even going overtime |
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| 18:01.30 | jelly | Nyle: Hi! ... you're not stoned? |
| 18:01.38 | Azar | jelly: is him allright |
| 18:01.39 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me a *light* LIVE distro based on etch or lenny that can be installed on the hard disk? |
| 18:01.48 | jelly | Azar: that's not what I asked :-D |
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| 18:01.56 | Azar | hehe |
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| 18:02.11 | `Nick | hey everyone |
| 18:02.11 | Nyle | jelly: not at work no I'm not |
| 18:02.14 | Azar | gnudo: there is not "based-on" there are the real deals |
| 18:02.16 | Nyle | infact I ran out |
| 18:02.23 | Nyle | 1 hour till my dealer calls me |
| 18:02.24 | Nyle | :D |
| 18:02.28 | cahoot | DawnLight, try xawtc -nodga |
| 18:02.37 | Nyle | Azar: guess what? |
| 18:02.39 | cahoot | DawnLight, err xawtv -nodga |
| 18:02.42 | Azar | Nyle: what? |
| 18:02.51 | Nyle | Azar: I installed kubuntu 7.04 on my desktop at home! |
| 18:02.54 | Nyle | laptop is still running sid |
| 18:02.57 | gnudo | Azar: what do you mean? |
| 18:03.05 | jelly | Nyle: that's good customer relations for you! |
| 18:03.07 | Nyle | I got sid at work too |
| 18:03.10 | Nyle | jelly: what is? |
| 18:03.15 | Azar | gnudo: real deal: Debian Etch nothing based-on |
| 18:03.18 | Nyle | boss behind me |
| 18:03.18 | Nyle | brb |
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| 18:03.35 | jelly | heh |
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| 18:03.43 | DawnLight | cahoot: http://paste.debian.net/32166 |
| 18:03.51 | Azar | gnudo: so you want images of live Debian Etch? |
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| 18:04.24 | gnudo | Azar: you are wrong! elive is a live distro based on lenny! |
| 18:04.39 | Nyle | !livevd |
| 18:04.40 | Nyle | doh |
| 18:04.41 | Nyle | vd |
| 18:04.46 | Nyle | lol, live vd, I'm gonna shut up |
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| 18:05.28 | cast | gnudo: i like grml, don't ask me what its based on. it has a command line bias |
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| 18:05.34 | Eulex | !live |
| 18:05.34 | dpkg | Debian Live provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live |
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| 18:06.02 | jelly | Nyle: [good customer relations] the seller calling you back when the merchandise becomes available |
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| 18:06.17 | Nyle | jelly: oh hell yeah man |
| 18:06.31 | Nyle | I used to work with him at my previous job at macys |
| 18:06.39 | Nyle | selling clothes n shit |
| 18:06.41 | Nyle | im so happy now, this job kicks ass |
| 18:06.44 | Nyle | and it pays twice as much |
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| 18:06.48 | cast | gnudo: ahh grml is based on sid |
| 18:06.52 | Nyle | plus i get to hang out in #debian |
| 18:06.56 | jelly | !grml++ |
| 18:07.05 | Nyle | !stoned++ |
| 18:07.08 | Nyle | :D |
| 18:07.12 | gnudo | cast: i am only after live distros based on etch or lenny! |
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| 18:07.46 | cahoot | DawnLight, camera connected directly or via hub? |
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| 18:08.32 | Azar | gnudo: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2878 |
| 18:08.34 | DawnLight | cahoot: directly |
| 18:08.42 | h3sp4wn | cast: It is based on sid (and grml-debootstrap can be used to install 100% pure Debian) |
| 18:08.43 | cahoot | DawnLight, http://lists-archives.org/spca50x-devs/00317-no-space-left-on-device-with-labtec-webcam-pro-on-linux-amd64.html |
| 18:08.44 | Azar | errr... |
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| 18:08.48 | Azar | gnudo: http://www.elivecd.org/ |
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| 18:09.21 | Azar | damn live cd-s... I was thinking of debian image cds |
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| 18:10.39 | Azar | Nyle: selling clothes is not so bad... get to help ladies dress for free.. wait no, get paid for |
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| 18:12.03 | gnudo | Azar: elive is a payware live distro based on lenny! |
| 18:12.03 | darthmarth37 | In what package might I find the update-grub script? |
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| 18:12.38 | wishie | is there any reason why the alsa driver version in 2.6.18 debian kernel is so old ? 1.0.12rc1 ? its ancient. |
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| 18:13.51 | abrotman | wishie: 2.6.18 is kind of old too eh ? |
| 18:13.55 | abrotman | darthmarth37: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:13.58 | cahoot | wishie, isn't it just because it's 2.6.18? |
| 18:14.18 | Kobaz | 2.6.18 has ext3 fs corruption bugs |
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| 18:14.36 | wishie | i mean, alsa 10.012rc1 is over 1 year old now. and fielding questions in #alsa as to why hda-intel cards dont work, is becoming a pain..heh |
| 18:14.50 | wishie | 1.0.12rc1 i mean |
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| 18:16.02 | hark | !info alsa-source etch |
| 18:16.04 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 18:16.53 | j777m | Is anyone able to help me install beryl on debian etch? |
| 18:16.56 | wishie | hark: im currently trying to talk 2 people through the compilation of alsa-source package |
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| 18:17.05 | Ecco | Hello |
| 18:17.16 | Azar | well known win "helper", eldergeek charmed by Debian Etch! nice story : http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/eldergeek/2007/06/20/slowly-closing-old-windows-living-on-the-etch |
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| 18:18.19 | hark | wishie: well, "m-a a-i alsa" should do it |
| 18:18.20 | Ecco | I've a little problem on my Debian machin : I did "update-alternative --config x-window-manager" and chose "englightenment". Yet "startx" brings IceWM. |
| 18:19.00 | cast | Ecco: i set e as my wm with ~/.xinitrc |
| 18:19.19 | Ecco | cast: Well, that could be a solution |
| 18:19.34 | Ecco | I personnally did Xorg & DISPLAY=":0.0" enlightenment |
| 18:19.37 | Ecco | and it just works |
| 18:19.45 | cast | could be a problem too if you have an old ~/.xinitrc with icewm in it |
| 18:19.46 | Ecco | but I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong |
| 18:19.50 | Ecco | oh |
| 18:19.54 | Ecco | I'm gonna check |
| 18:19.57 | wishie | hark: i was going down the make-kpkg path.. but ill try that method for these 2 guys |
| 18:20.29 | wishie | hark: im a bit out of touch with debian systems, as i only use it on my server machines these days.. and build kernels and things by hand |
| 18:20.31 | Ecco | Well, no |
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| 18:21.26 | Nyle | Azar: no, men's department |
| 18:21.27 | Nyle | :( |
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| 18:22.45 | kingsley | stew: Do you happen to know whether module-assistant is also an easy solution for upgrading and maintaining nvidia's module in unstable? |
| 18:23.08 | stew | kingsley: dunno |
| 18:24.03 | geo-rge | so, to package a precompiled module and arrange that it get installed in the right place? |
| 18:24.28 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me a *light* LIVE distro based on etch or lenny that can be installed on the hard disk? NOT elivecd! |
| 18:24.36 | Nyle | kingsley: yes |
| 18:24.59 | wols | kingsley: yes |
| 18:25.01 | Nyle | kingsley: you can recompile with module assistant using the latest drivers in sid if/when they are updated |
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| 18:25.16 | wols | currently sid has the latest drivers |
| 18:25.16 | Nyle | wols: sup ma man |
| 18:25.26 | geo-rge | gnudo: the debian base |
| 18:25.40 | gnudo | what? |
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| 18:26.14 | geo-rge | think of your question... think of how my response is an answer to that question |
| 18:26.18 | hark | wishie: yeah, that's what m-a is for :) |
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| 18:26.40 | gnudo | what do you mean by the debian base? |
| 18:26.46 | geo-rge | think of your question... think of how my response is an answer to that question |
| 18:27.21 | gnudo | is the debian base a live cd distro based on lenny or etch? |
| 18:27.31 | geo-rge | the debian base is the minimum install that can still: boot, install packages |
| 18:27.34 | kingsley | Nyle & wols: Nice. |
| 18:27.46 | geo-rge | no. |
| 18:28.15 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 18:28.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 18:28.16 | gnudo | i do NOT want to install debian etch nor lenny but wanna just run a live cd distro based on them! |
| 18:28.35 | geo-rge | anything based on debian which is not debian is on topic here? |
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| 18:28.55 | beardy | answer --short |
| 18:28.57 | beardy | no |
| 18:28.57 | valdyn | gnudo: what's wrong with debian live ? |
| 18:29.18 | xand | what do i have to do to make cpu frequency scaling work? |
| 18:29.34 | Azar | I gues he read about secure browsing with linux live cd-s |
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| 18:29.40 | cast | xand: hmm, i have a howto for that somewhere, let me look |
| 18:29.45 | valdyn | xand: aptitude install cpufrequtils, read /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 18:29.48 | kingsley | gnudo: sidux worked quite well for me some months ago. |
| 18:29.49 | tralala | xand, load a module and scaling daemon |
| 18:30.00 | xand | thanks |
| 18:30.11 | cast | http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-f requency-management.html |
| 18:30.14 | tralala | I prefer powernowd |
| 18:30.19 | cast | argh. remove the space |
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| 18:30.56 | gnudo | <valdyn> i can not boot neither lenny nor etch on the laptop i wanna try it on. slackware and a bunch of light cd distros dow work though! |
| 18:31.19 | geo-rge | lots of times you improve performance not by tweaking the freq of your cpu but by adding ram |
| 18:31.21 | wols | gnudo: what kinda lappie is it? how much RAM? |
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| 18:32.04 | xand | umm... what's the module I need to load? c.c |
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| 18:32.27 | beardy | First you need to learn how to ask. |
| 18:32.28 | Gathond | geo-rge: usually frequency scaling is not about improving performance, its about improving powerusage by lowering the CPU clock when its idling |
| 18:32.37 | tralala | xand, depends on your cpu |
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| 18:33.07 | geo-rge | Gathond: that sounds a lot more reasonable |
| 18:33.09 | wols | gnudo: so how much RAM? |
| 18:34.39 | gnudo | Siemens Secenic Mobile 350 P233MMX 192MB RAM |
| 18:35.28 | geo-rge | that's not a horribly low amount of ram (especially for that laptop) |
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| 18:38.09 | xand | yay it works |
| 18:39.08 | rocketmagnet | hi again, does someone know how php acts on files if there are more than one user working on it ? |
| 18:39.18 | rocketmagnet | do i need to take care about it ? |
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| 18:40.00 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 18:40.26 | geo-rge | you should consider using a database |
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| 18:40.54 | geo-rge | postgresql is a good one, mysql is not really |
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| 18:41.36 | wols | gnudo: I run debian fine on a PII 300 with 128MB |
| 18:41.41 | Gathond | geo-rge: I hear mysql 5.0 should be a lot better, otherwise I agree |
| 18:42.17 | tralala | my router is PI@233 with 32MB of ram and runs etch |
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| 18:42.33 | tralala | using apt is painful though |
| 18:42.39 | pickcoder | 32MB |
| 18:42.43 | pickcoder | laptop.. at that |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: you could create a lock file and check for it before you try to change the file |
| 18:42.51 | geo-rge | they're going down their own path... until they get full, normal, traditional ACID compliance, I'll continue to think mysql is a pos :) |
| 18:42.53 | pickcoder | the installer didn't really like it, though |
| 18:43.01 | geo-rge | but, 5.0, noted. |
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| 18:43.34 | thomax | hi, i have a debian install problem on a asus pundit1 ah2 with a amd 64bit 4200mhz x2 cpu. the debian netinst bootcd stops booting. it's this debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso. do you have any idea? it hangs after "io scheduler cfq registered (default)" |
| 18:43.57 | gnudo | debian-live-40r0-rc1-i386-xfce-CD.iso is just a release candidate and has lots of issues! |
| 18:44.00 | jipp | on debian4 with apache2 what is the correct way to use namevirtualhosts? i've read and understand how the a2ensite/a2dissite works but all of my sites return the default |
| 18:44.01 | jair | does the command "smbmount" or program works in debian etch? |
| 18:44.08 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me a *light* LIVE distro based on etch or lenny that can be installed on the hard disk? NOT elivecd! |
| 18:44.16 | beardy | jair: Why would it not work? |
| 18:44.19 | pickcoder | jipp: yes |
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| 18:44.26 | geo-rge | !repeat |
| 18:44.27 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:44.40 | pickcoder | namevirtualhost * and then you can use IP + port vhost directives |
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| 18:44.48 | bare_boobs | ow yeah |
| 18:44.49 | geo-rge | also /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 18:45.06 | thomax | gnudo: what netinst do you suggest? |
| 18:45.22 | jipp | pickcoder - do default is namevirtualhost * <virtualhost *:80> , then the adittionals are <virtualhost ip:80> ? |
| 18:45.24 | geo-rge | you could try the i386 one |
| 18:45.32 | jair | beardy: I am trying to run it and I am getting not even the man page though |
| 18:45.58 | beardy | jair: Then you haven't got it installed, if it isn't obvious. |
| 18:46.19 | pickcoder | jipp: no.. you can either use *:port or ip:port. if you specify both in vhosts, then apache will be confused |
| 18:46.20 | gnudo | what? netinstall assumes you have a fast internet connection |
| 18:46.34 | thomax | btw, if you messages are directed to a specific person, it is good practice to quote the nichname on the begin of the message. |
| 18:46.39 | espen | are there any sql-database dumps of the current package repositories out there? |
| 18:46.46 | wols | gnudo: I wouldn't call broadband "fat" |
| 18:46.53 | bare_boobs | how many women use debian? |
| 18:46.56 | geo-rge | gnudo: you're repeating your question without showing you learned anything... on purpose because you were not satisfied with the answer |
| 18:47.02 | bare_boobs | and what do they look like! |
| 18:47.11 | abrotman | bare_boobs: this is a support channel |
| 18:47.15 | jair | beardy: I am doing "apt-cache search smbmont" and I do not get any results :( |
| 18:47.15 | thomax | gnudo: do you think it would be better to download all cd images fist? :-) |
| 18:47.20 | gnudo | both netinstall for etch and lenny failed on the laptop i tried them on. BUT slackware and other live cd distros did work |
| 18:47.22 | irwiss | I wonder, why does wine server has to bind on *:32798? Is there a way to bind it to localhost? |
| 18:47.23 | wols | bare_boobs: prettier than you, but that's not saying much |
| 18:47.27 | geo-rge | bare_boobs: they all have bare_boobs under their bra and shirt |
| 18:47.49 | jipp | oh - ok, so then even the default config file uses ip:80 |
| 18:47.52 | geo-rge | they put their panties on one leg at a time... two eyes, two hands, |
| 18:47.59 | beardy | jair: Spelling it correctly helps. Also searching for "samba" instead of the name of the program would help. |
| 18:48.01 | pickcoder | jipp: the default uses *:80 IIRC |
| 18:48.08 | gnudo | <wols>: what would you call a 56k modem connection? |
| 18:48.09 | pickcoder | you need to change it if you want more than one default on 80 |
| 18:48.11 | jipp | thanks i'll try thins now |
| 18:48.16 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:48.31 | geo-rge | I'd call it "time to get out and push" |
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| 18:49.00 | pickcoder | s/default/host |
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| 18:49.05 | beardy | jair: It is in smbfs. |
| 18:49.29 | valdyn | irwiss: you sure its even a network socket? |
| 18:49.30 | jair | beardy: got it :) |
| 18:49.41 | jair | beardy: I was use to the smbmount though |
| 18:49.58 | irwiss | valdyn, udp 544 0 *:32798 *:* 3327/wineserver |
| 18:50.00 | jair | beardy: I will got it now I saw it ina posted question forum too :) |
| 18:50.06 | jair | beardy: Thank you |
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| 18:50.18 | beardy | jair: Don't forget to read about apt-file aswell. You are most welcome. |
| 18:50.19 | gnudo | Azar: you are wrong! elive is a live distro based on lenny! |
| 18:50.19 | abrotman | thomax: have you tried the i386 installer also ? |
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| 18:50.29 | irwiss | valdyn, unless udp in protocol can be a non-network socket? |
| 18:50.46 | wols | gnudo: /msg dpkg based on debian and /msg dpkg elive |
| 18:50.47 | geo-rge | gnudo: so that satisfies your criteria... what's wrong with it? |
| 18:50.52 | thomax | abrotman: not yet. do you think i should do that and make my 64bit system afterwards? |
| 18:51.00 | jair | beardy: all right |
| 18:51.02 | jair | alright |
| 18:51.06 | stew | gnudo: elive (an other debian derrivatives) are off-topic here |
| 18:51.10 | jair | beardy: and stew Thanks |
| 18:51.11 | gnudo | elivecd is a live distro based on lenny whcih meets my criteria but it is pay for software. no free download |
| 18:51.14 | abrotman | thomax: well . it's not that easy .. but unless you have a good reason to run pure64 .. running i386 won't realyl hurt |
| 18:51.18 | valdyn | irwiss: its not networked on my computer |
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| 18:51.29 | jair | !apt-file |
| 18:51.29 | dpkg | apt-file is probably util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 18:51.41 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 18:51.41 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 18:51.41 | abrotman | !tell thomax about amd64 |
| 18:52.10 | Azar | uh |
| 18:52.43 | Azar | gnudo: heh... |
| 18:53.11 | geo-rge | stew: already told him that... some time after which he repeated the question with the same text |
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| 18:54.05 | espen | alright! got starcraft running on debian as fast as native.. vmware w/experimental game support did the trick... (too bad vmware is closed source though) |
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| 18:54.28 | irwiss | valdyn, hmm... It seems to be named wine-preloader now.... I've had an old statically compiled version of wine running... But still, I have wine-preloader bind on that port by running wine notepad.. Care to expand 'my computer'? I'm on i386 sid right now |
| 18:54.32 | Supaplex | I thought starcraft ran in wine |
| 18:54.33 | icf7 | How do I install Sid? Are there install CDs for Sid? |
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| 18:54.38 | wols | no |
| 18:54.40 | stew | icf7: install stable and upgrade |
| 18:54.59 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:54.59 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 18:55.07 | bdheeman | े/j #test |
| 18:55.14 | icf7 | stew: Thank you. |
| 18:55.14 | Supaplex | icf7: do you have sns syndrome? :) |
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| 18:55.20 | ziombka | hello |
| 18:55.23 | beardy | They all do. |
| 18:55.28 | espen | Supaplex: the battle.net menus are not working as they should, plus ppl I played with on battle.net complained about the speed.. (Seems like wine needs to implement a new DIB-engine or something before starcraft works like native) |
| 18:55.48 | geo-rge | icf7: if you don't want to solve problems that come up uniquely in sid, you should consider not doing it |
| 18:56.07 | icf7 | Supaplex, abrotman: I want to develop a package for debian, is Sid the wrong version for this? |
| 18:56.23 | Azar | icf7: unless you are willing to contribute and test unstable, sid is NOT a working system for a new Debian user |
| 18:56.40 | stew | and as he said, he is willing to contribute... |
| 18:56.43 | geo-rge | that would seem to be a reasonable use. |
| 18:56.45 | abrotman | icf7: you don't have to run it as your OS though, you could install it in a VM if you choose |
| 18:56.47 | Supaplex | icf7: I suggest a stable install, and a testing chroot install |
| 18:56.51 | Azar | yee! |
| 18:56.59 | Azar | !beer icf7 |
| 18:57.04 | Azar | thanks for jumping in |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | icf7: erm .. install sid/unstable in a VM if you choose |
| 18:57.24 | abrotman | obviously up to you |
| 18:57.29 | icf7 | abrotman: I wanted to install in a Vm anyway, so thank you all. |
| 18:57.32 | ziombka | maybe someone will know. My debian on router double all processes in process list, i dont know why. Some processes double, some more. For example apache create 8 process, but this is normal i think. But pop, python? Why they do more process than 1 |
| 18:57.56 | geo-rge | apache on your router? bad. don't run services on your gateway |
| 18:58.00 | wols | ziombka: what router? |
| 18:58.01 | Supaplex | ziombka: could be threads. |
| 18:58.26 | ziombka | router with debian ;-) |
| 18:58.30 | ziombka | threads? |
| 18:58.30 | wols | geo-rge: just imagine python AND apache on a 200MHz ARM with a few MB ram... :) |
| 18:58.32 | ziombka | in python? |
| 18:58.39 | wols | ziombka: what router? |
| 18:58.46 | ziombka | i have better router, and i need apache for lms |
| 18:58.47 | wols | and yes, python has threads. (plus a GIL...) |
| 18:58.56 | ziombka | so w8 |
| 18:58.59 | geo-rge | so it can swim? |
| 18:59.03 | ziombka | i will paste somewhere list of processes |
| 18:59.09 | wols | gills != GIL |
| 18:59.25 | geo-rge | what's a gil? |
| 18:59.26 | cerridwen | a |
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| 18:59.59 | HyperDevil | i have put 0 0 * * * root /usr/bin/analog in my cron, but it does not run.... |
| 19:00.09 | HyperDevil | anybody have an idea what is wrong? |
| 19:00.10 | espen | anyways. I'm going to create a linux applications listings page (ala. kde.apps, download.com), w/good design, screenshots etc. (Using the popularity contest data as seeding for package popularity).. Have this been done in a whole-heartedly way before? (The package listing on the debian page is good, but is not open for comments / ratings and screenshots) |
| 19:00.13 | stew | HyperDevil: how did you put it in your cron? |
| 19:00.24 | HyperDevil | stew: /etc/cron.d/analog file |
| 19:00.43 | wols | geo-rge: Global Interpreter Lock. aka a cop out for threading :) |
| 19:01.08 | beardy | HyperDevil: Stay out of there, use roots crontab. 'man 5 crontab'. |
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| 19:01.16 | stew | HyperDevil: is it chmod +x? |
| 19:01.21 | HyperDevil | beardy: i want cron.d |
| 19:01.32 | beardy | HyperDevil: Why. |
| 19:01.36 | beardy | Have fun. |
| 19:01.38 | HyperDevil | stew: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
| 19:01.46 | stew | HyperDevil: its needs to be executable |
| 19:02.02 | HyperDevil | aha thats the thing!. thanks stew! |
| 19:02.03 | stew | hmm, maybe it doesn't |
| 19:02.12 | valdyn | it does |
| 19:02.13 | stew | HyperDevil: actually it doesn't |
| 19:02.19 | stew | i'm thinking of cron.daily |
| 19:02.24 | ziombka | so, this is list of processes |
| 19:02.25 | ziombka | http://wklej.org/id/7f3db9829e |
| 19:02.26 | HyperDevil | stew: i just looked and the others arent euther |
| 19:02.30 | ziombka | a lot ;] |
| 19:02.31 | stew | right |
| 19:02.34 | valdyn | ops |
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| 19:02.43 | jipp | pickcoder - thank you that worked for me. |
| 19:02.45 | HyperDevil | stew: whats next on the list? |
| 19:02.58 | geo-rge | ziombka: so this is a machine running debian that is serving as a gateway router? |
| 19:02.59 | jipp | setting namedvirtual to ip:80 and all virtualhosts to ip:80 |
| 19:03.12 | HyperDevil | stew: cron sees the file, i got a sort of file update message, so it works.. but it does not run |
| 19:03.13 | stew | HyperDevil: its really called analog, and not analog.sh or something similar? |
| 19:03.21 | Roots | Yeah use my crontab |
| 19:03.25 | ziombka | geo-rge, yes |
| 19:03.26 | HyperDevil | stew: realy analog.. on the commandline it works |
| 19:03.36 | HyperDevil | tor:~$ which analog |
| 19:03.43 | valdyn | ziombka: i see no python in that list |
| 19:03.44 | stew | HyperDevil: no, i mean the file in /etc/cron.d |
| 19:03.59 | geo-rge | ziombka: for security purposes it's -not- a good idea to run services on the gateway |
| 19:04.00 | ziombka | my bad, perl :) |
| 19:04.09 | wakizashi | hi guys, could anyone give some pointers - my debian/lenny system was working fine up until a couple of days ago when I did an apt-get upgrade. Now the system takes ages to boot into any kernel |
| 19:04.11 | ziombka | geo-rge, why |
| 19:04.13 | HyperDevil | stew: yes analog... every other files do not have an extension either |
| 19:04.19 | wakizashi | i'm unsure whether it's grub related or not |
| 19:04.23 | valdyn | ziombka: that's your squid redirector |
| 19:04.27 | ziombka | yes |
| 19:04.28 | beardy | wakizashi: So find out. |
| 19:04.36 | geo-rge | because it's opening holes that hackers can play with |
| 19:04.37 | ziombka | redirector, but why not in one thread? |
| 19:04.43 | pickcoder | has anyone been successful in accessing an SRAM card? |
| 19:04.44 | wakizashi | thats the pointers i'm after ;) |
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| 19:04.50 | valdyn | ziombka: one per squid process? |
| 19:04.53 | pickcoder | all the docs I see refer to using memory_cs |
| 19:04.55 | wakizashi | how can i tell if it's grub causing the problems? |
| 19:04.57 | pickcoder | which isn't available |
| 19:05.00 | HyperDevil | stew: (*system*analog) RELOAD (/etc/cron.d/analog) |
| 19:05.03 | beardy | pickcoder: No, noone, ever. They made them to be used for snacks. |
| 19:05.05 | ziombka | valdyn, so, why more squid process |
| 19:05.09 | HyperDevil | stew: so it works, but it does not run |
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| 19:05.25 | stew | HyperDevil: and just to be sure, when are you expecting this to be run? |
| 19:05.27 | pickcoder | beardy: dpm |
| 19:05.34 | HyperDevil | 0 0 * * * |
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| 19:05.46 | ziombka | geo-rge, its good now, i dont want to change it, its small network already |
| 19:05.56 | valdyn | ziombka: ok, i see only one squid process, so i guess that redirector is a service in itself |
| 19:05.57 | stew | HyperDevil: yes, i know what that means, i was making sure you realize that is only once daily, at midnight |
| 19:06.07 | ziombka | hmm, its stupid |
| 19:06.11 | ziombka | so look on pop |
| 19:06.14 | HyperDevil | stew: yeah i know every night 0.00 |
| 19:06.14 | valdyn | ziombka: no it isnt stupid |
| 19:06.28 | geo-rge | ziombka: np, but don't say you weren't warned :) |
| 19:06.32 | valdyn | ziombka: its a strategy that has proven itself for decades |
| 19:06.37 | wakizashi | once grub loads and i select the kernel to boot into, I see the grub output, but then there's nothing for about 5 mins then the kernel starts to boot |
| 19:06.38 | ziombka | geo-rge, ;-) |
| 19:06.58 | stew | HyperDevil: does /usr/bin/analog need some environment variable set to do whatever it is going to do? |
| 19:07.00 | valdyn | ziombka: there's several processes spawned already in order to be able to quickly deal with incoming requests |
| 19:07.03 | wakizashi | any ideas or tips on where to look to identify the problem? |
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| 19:07.26 | ziombka | valdyn, noone using imap right now |
| 19:07.29 | geo-rge | you can always get someonme's handmedown free box to put the web server on and forward the port at the gateway |
| 19:07.33 | darthmarth37 | Does anyone have some idea what might be involved in porting update-grub to an rpm-based system? |
| 19:07.35 | valdyn | ziombka: sure i know |
| 19:07.46 | HyperDevil | stew: i really dont know... sounds reallt ackward if it does |
| 19:07.55 | valdyn | ziombka: these idling tasks are already spawned to be able to quickly serve incoming requests |
| 19:08.02 | stew | HyperDevil: oh is analog the courier thing? |
| 19:08.03 | valdyn | ziombka: as i said already |
| 19:08.12 | HyperDevil | stew: apache log parser |
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| 19:08.38 | ziombka | valdyn, so why on other computers i dont see this? |
| 19:08.45 | valdyn | ziombka: you do |
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| 19:09.05 | ziombka | i thought: less process - better router ;] |
| 19:09.10 | valdyn | ziombka: its configurable |
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| 19:09.17 | valdyn | ziombka: god knows why you call this a router |
| 19:09.29 | valdyn | ziombka: while you have imap,squid,apache etc running |
| 19:09.30 | ziombka | becouse its router! |
| 19:09.40 | ziombka | hmm |
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| 19:09.54 | ziombka | its gateway |
| 19:09.54 | geo-rge | ziombka: YES. so: don't run services on it. |
| 19:09.55 | ziombka | better? |
| 19:09.55 | \amethyst | ziombka: Another possibility is that ps is reporting differently... depending on version and command-line options (and kernel version), it might or might not report threads as separate processes |
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| 19:10.07 | valdyn | ziombka: are these services good for anything? |
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| 19:10.23 | ziombka | good? what you mean |
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| 19:10.32 | valdyn | ziombka: are they actually used? |
| 19:10.43 | valdyn | ziombka: do you have some swap space ? |
| 19:10.54 | ziombka | valdyn, yes, i said i have lms system on it |
| 19:10.56 | HyperDevil | stew: i will try /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 19:11.02 | ziombka | yes, there is swap |
| 19:11.04 | valdyn | ziombka: i dont know lms |
| 19:11.08 | HyperDevil | stew: i hope it works tonight\ |
| 19:11.11 | ziombka | Linux Managment system |
| 19:11.18 | ziombka | maybe its polish system ;] |
| 19:11.30 | valdyn | ziombka: geez |
| 19:11.33 | ziombka | but very good to administrate lan |
| 19:11.45 | valdyn | ziombka: if you say so |
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| 19:12.03 | geo-rge | so you're adminning the lan from -outside-? |
| 19:12.03 | valdyn | ziombka: you can configure each if you servers to spawn less processes, but there isnt really much use in that |
| 19:12.11 | ziombka | geo-rge, but why router with services its not good way |
| 19:12.26 | geo-rge | already told you that |
| 19:12.37 | ziombka | yes, security reason... |
| 19:12.41 | valdyn | ziombka: you call it a router while most of its resources are used for something else |
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| 19:12.56 | ziombka | who said its cant ? |
| 19:12.58 | geo-rge | it opens holes that a hackar can use to compromize the -router- |
| 19:13.11 | valdyn | ziombka: its just misleading |
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| 19:13.38 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 19:13.46 | Haris | What's the latest version of gnupg tha debian supports? |
| 19:13.55 | `Nick | do i give iwconfig the passphrase or the key from WEP? |
| 19:13.56 | geo-rge | well it's a good thing he did, since someone could pick up on that and warn him |
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| 19:14.05 | wols | Haris: check pdo |
| 19:14.13 | valdyn | uh? |
| 19:14.15 | Haris | wols: hmm.. pdo? |
| 19:14.22 | valdyn | this is just some small box for a small homenetwork |
| 19:14.23 | ziombka | geo-rge, whats the variation beetwen one COMPUTER with regules in iptables and services, and two computers one with only iptables - second with services? |
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| 19:14.42 | stew | Haris: 1.4.6 and 2.0.4 |
| 19:14.59 | ziombka | this with services is still unsecurited.... |
| 19:15.10 | wols | !pdo |
| 19:15.10 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 19:15.11 | Haris | stew: Are you serious about debian supporting 2.0.x gnupg? |
| 19:15.13 | ctatu1 | Debian seems to only be using less than 1GB of my system RAM, but I have 2GB... How can I fix this? |
| 19:15.17 | geo-rge | a box inside your internal net runs the services, and the gateway just forwards to it |
| 19:15.20 | Haris | stew: I can't find any docs on it |
| 19:15.24 | ctatu1 | free reports total mem 906792 |
| 19:15.30 | `Nick | anyone know about netcardconfig, iwconfig, wlcardconfig, or ndiswrapper? |
| 19:15.36 | \amethyst | Haris: look for the gnupg2 package |
| 19:15.37 | wols | ctatu1: what kernel. uname -a |
| 19:15.39 | valdyn | ziombka: your setup is ok for a small or home network |
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| 19:15.51 | ctatu1 | wols: Linux debian 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed May 9 22:23:40 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:15.52 | wols | !tell `Nick about anyone |
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| 19:16.04 | wols | ctatu1: get anther kernel, suitable for your cpu |
| 19:16.16 | ctatuk | Why isn't this one suitable? |
| 19:16.29 | stew | Haris: yes, debian has both gnupg and gnupg2 packages |
| 19:16.31 | wols | cause it's for a 486 and has no high mem support as you remarked |
| 19:16.36 | `Nick | how do i set up a Broadcom card using netcardconfig, iwconfig, wlcardconfig, or ndiswrapper? |
| 19:16.38 | ziombka | but i have to forwards ports outside, or give an ip for second machine... |
| 19:16.41 | ziombka | its same... |
| 19:16.42 | Haris | wols: stew: Any compile or update issues for gnupg on debian 4.0? |
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| 19:16.56 | ctatuk | wols: I believe this kernel was automatically installed since I installed the nvidia-glx package. |
| 19:17.09 | wols | ctatuk: no it was not. it's the installer kernel |
| 19:17.27 | valdyn | ziombka: its an ok solution for a home or small network, its defenitely not the same |
| 19:17.32 | wols | ctatuk: what cpu do you have? |
| 19:17.43 | stew | Haris: http://bugs.debian.org/gnupg http://bugs.debian.org/gnupg2 |
| 19:17.48 | ctatuk | wols: model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.26GHz |
| 19:17.57 | ziombka | valdyn, sorry but i dont understand |
| 19:18.03 | wols | ctatuk: get a 2.6 -686 kernel then |
| 19:18.11 | ziombka | valdyn, i do this same but on two machines |
| 19:18.14 | ctatuk | wols: See: i nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 19:18.22 | valdyn | ziombka: sure ok |
| 19:18.25 | ziombka | and one more: what is unsecurited? my iptables regules? |
| 19:18.27 | geo-rge | ziombka: consult a security consultant |
| 19:18.29 | wols | ctatuk: I see, but how is this relevant? |
| 19:18.37 | \amethyst | ctatuk: So get nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 along with the kernel |
| 19:18.41 | ctatuk | wols: The default installed was a 686, but it installed a 486 kernel when I installed the nvidia-glx package. |
| 19:18.48 | wols | !info nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:18.50 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686: (NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-4-686), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776+6 (sid), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 5084 kB |
| 19:18.56 | wols | !info nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 etch |
| 19:18.57 | ziombka | geo-rge, i dont want, i want to talk with you:) |
| 19:18.58 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686: (NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-4-686), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776+6 (etch), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 5084 kB |
| 19:19.06 | ziombka | maybe you have right - i dont know |
| 19:19.11 | ziombka | and i want to know ;] |
| 19:19.12 | ziombka | why |
| 19:19.13 | valdyn | ziombka: what kind of network is that you have? |
| 19:19.18 | geo-rge | that would be unfortunate :) I'm going for food :) |
| 19:19.22 | ziombka | comercial wifi |
| 19:19.31 | wols | ctatuk: install the proper software for your system and you will have 2GB |
| 19:19.40 | valdyn | ziombka: how many concurrent users? |
| 19:19.47 | Scurz | It's possible to reinstall debian on the pc where there is already debian ? reinstall without cd drive... |
| 19:19.58 | wols | Scurz: debootstrap |
| 19:20.04 | Supaplex | Scurz: install guide |
| 19:20.05 | Haris | stew: Do you mean they'r both buggy and useless? |
| 19:20.07 | ctatuk | \amethyst: I will atitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686, but will this automatically remove the 484 or should I do that manually? |
| 19:20.09 | ziombka | one more ;] on every wifi router are firewalls |
| 19:20.20 | Haris | This server is intended for an enteprise class webmail hosting service |
| 19:20.20 | ziombka | valdyn, one now |
| 19:20.21 | wols | ctatuk: it won't remove it |
| 19:20.22 | Supaplex | send me the excess ram, I'll put it to work. >:) |
| 19:20.29 | stew | Haris: no, not at all |
| 19:20.30 | Scurz | thanki you wols and Supaplex |
| 19:20.34 | Scurz | -i |
| 19:20.37 | ctatuk | wols: Should I remove it after booting the new 686 kernel? |
| 19:20.39 | \amethyst | ctatuk: keep the 486 one as long as the 486 kernel is around |
| 19:20.45 | stew | Haris: you were asking if htere were problems with the packages. if there were, that is the place they would be documented |
| 19:20.46 | wols | ctatuk: you can but you don't have to |
| 19:20.48 | valdyn | ziombka: its not really important how many it is now, i ask how many its designed for |
| 19:20.50 | ziombka | valdyn, but in this week i will do second wifi |
| 19:21.14 | ziombka | valdyn, unlimited :) |
| 19:21.25 | ctatuk | \amethyst: It's interesting how it chose to install a 486 nvidia kernel even though the kernel I was running when I installed nvidia-glx was a 686. :| |
| 19:21.54 | valdyn | ziombka: that's not a workable number |
| 19:21.56 | Haris | Which OS should I go with? fbsd or debian? |
| 19:22.05 | ctatuk | Debian. |
| 19:22.11 | wols | Haris: just think before you ask :) |
| 19:22.14 | beardy | Oh wow, enterprise class! |
| 19:22.15 | Supaplex | Haris: is this a trick question? |
| 19:22.25 | Haris | for using gnupg 2 and nothing compromising the server |
| 19:22.33 | ziombka | valdyn, i dont know now, if i have enough clients to think about it i will think about it |
| 19:22.36 | Haris | and do nothing+ to |
| 19:22.38 | ctatuk | Okay thanks wols and \amethyst I'm rebooting the new 686 nvidia kernel and checking the output of free. |
| 19:22.45 | valdyn | ziombka: ok |
| 19:22.47 | \amethyst | ctatuk: what happened: when you installed nvidia-glx, apt-get saw that you needed a nvidia-kernel package, and just picked the first one it found. That happened to be the 486 version... but since that depends on the 486 kernel, it pulled that in too |
| 19:22.48 | ziombka | bu i dont want to limit |
| 19:22.48 | stew | Haris: you are not going to get an unbiased answer to such a question in here |
| 19:22.55 | Haris | stew |
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| 19:23.01 | Haris | stew: I think you'r right |
| 19:23.05 | Supaplex | !start an os war |
| 19:23.05 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
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| 19:23.10 | valdyn | ziombka: its nto about limiting |
| 19:23.11 | wols | ziombka: if you don't want to cheat your customers you have to sooner or later |
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| 19:23.26 | logd | hi, what option to add to fstab to allow a dvd device to be unmounted by user ? |
| 19:23.28 | wols | ziombka: wlan only has so much bandwith. not unlimited bandwith |
| 19:23.29 | valdyn | ziombka: its about what to build before you can even think about serving , say 1000000 customers at once |
| 19:23.29 | lkthomas-home | guys, I forget how to disable sshd host name resolving so to speed up login |
| 19:23.30 | yos87 | Hi, |
| 19:23.40 | wols | logd: man fstab |
| 19:24.05 | Haris | OS war is not intended |
| 19:24.16 | Haris | building and deploying a stable and secure server is |
| 19:24.20 | wols | Haris: there is none. debian always wins by default :) |
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| 19:24.33 | \amethyst | lkthomas-home: man sshd_config, search for UseDNS |
| 19:24.36 | ziombka | valdyn, i dont good in networks, but i very like it and i want to deploy myself in this way and i dont have experience. |
| 19:24.50 | yos87 | I have question, sometimes I see a generated txt file list for folders and subfolders , including the files name and the size and intreducing in the first, somebody have Idea how to make that? |
| 19:24.59 | ziombka | for example i dont have firewall on router yet |
| 19:25.04 | ziombka | i dont know how to configure it |
| 19:25.09 | wols | yos87: ls -lR |
| 19:25.13 | ziombka | no, i know how, but in which way |
| 19:25.14 | \amethyst | yos87: you see that where? |
| 19:25.20 | wols | ziombka: use ipmasq |
| 19:25.22 | ctatuk | \amethyst: But if the 686 nvidia kernel works fine..what's the point in keeping the 486? ('just in case'?) |
| 19:25.29 | valdyn | ziombka: use a cheap small extra box as router/firewall |
| 19:25.47 | valdyn | ziombka: put all those services on a different computer inside the firewall |
| 19:25.47 | ziombka | pff |
| 19:25.49 | logd | <wols> i see nothing about unmount |
| 19:25.49 | ziombka | i dont want |
| 19:25.56 | \amethyst | ctatuk: note that there are two different things involved, both of which have 486 and 686 versions. The kernel, and the nvidia module |
| 19:26.00 | ziombka | hmm |
| 19:26.07 | yos87 | \amethyst: how are you? I use to see it on mp3 channels, the use to send you the file list of the mp3 files they own, and it has the size, and some other information |
| 19:26.12 | valdyn | ziombka: so leave as it is if you want. I already said its workable |
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| 19:26.42 | ctatuk | \amethyst: 'nvidia-glx' is the nvidia module, and 'nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686', is the kernel right? |
| 19:26.47 | \amethyst | ctatuk: no |
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| 19:26.56 | ctatuk | \amethyst: 'nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686' is the module |
| 19:26.58 | StucKman | hi all. when I connect for the first time to a machine, ssh asks me if I wan to accept the server fingerprint. is there any way to prefetch that finger print and save it into my known_hosts? |
| 19:27.01 | wols | logd: man mount. mounting and unmounting is governed by the same thing. if a user can unmount he also can mount |
| 19:27.11 | logd | yeah teorically |
| 19:27.14 | ziombka | valdyn, but i still dont understand for what is my solution danger. |
| 19:27.19 | \amethyst | ctatuk: nvidia-glx is the user-space nvidia driver nvidia-kernel-* is the nvidia kernel driver, and linux-kernel-* is the kernel |
| 19:27.19 | logd | but in my sys user mount but not dismount |
| 19:27.38 | valdyn | ziombka: you should hire a student a few hours to assisnt, probably |
| 19:27.46 | wols | logd: do you get a "busy"? if so: some file is still open |
| 19:27.51 | wols | logd: not a permission issue |
| 19:27.56 | Haris | which of postfix and exim does the debian community vote for to be used on debian servers |
| 19:28.00 | wols | not even root could unmount |
| 19:28.01 | ctatuk | \amethyst: Ah. I have both 'linux-image-2.6.18-4-486' and 'linux-image-2.6.18-4-686' installed. |
| 19:28.06 | StucKman | Haris: postfix |
| 19:28.07 | wols | !poll |
| 19:28.07 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:28.14 | abrotman | Haris: that's subjective .. and very much so |
| 19:28.14 | valdyn | ziombka: splitting services splits risk, generally |
| 19:28.15 | logd | mean : fstab contains : /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 ------- when trying to unmount as user it says only root can do |
| 19:28.17 | wols | Haris: ask valid questions please |
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| 19:28.33 | valdyn | ziombka: if someone breaks into your webserver, hes already inside your firewall too |
| 19:28.37 | wols | logd: full paste of your command and its output please |
| 19:28.38 | ziombka | valdyn, so u mean exploits |
| 19:28.45 | valdyn | ziombka: right |
| 19:29.01 | Haris | abrotman: 1) I need to choose packages and servers I can manage 2) I need to be able to find support from the community for whatever packages/servres I deploy for a customer |
| 19:29.08 | valdyn | ziombka: not just that though |
| 19:29.09 | logd | wols, as user i tryed to unmount by right-clicking the device and selecting unmount |
| 19:29.10 | \amethyst | logd: how's it getting mounted? |
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| 19:29.17 | logd | mounted clicking on it |
| 19:29.22 | wols | Haris: you need community support for boxes you adminsiter for money? |
| 19:29.25 | ziombka | valdyn, and what he can do if he is in firewall or not |
| 19:29.26 | matju | is there an OpenGL driver supporting ARB for the Intel 910/915 GPU ? |
| 19:29.28 | abrotman | Haris: that's all the requirements you have ? |
| 19:29.30 | ziombka | he cant do anythink in lan |
| 19:29.33 | ziombka | how :) |
| 19:29.37 | valdyn | ziombka: if one service eats to many resources, the whole box will stand still and no customer will have internet |
| 19:29.38 | ziombka | *anything |
| 19:29.47 | valdyn | ziombka: and you have _many_ services on that box |
| 19:29.55 | Haris | wols: I think I put my words the wrong way |
| 19:29.55 | cahoot | logd, If any user should be able to unmount, then use users instead of user in the fstab line |
| 19:30.01 | ziombka | valdyn, maybe, its first good argument |
| 19:30.06 | Haris | For eg |
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| 19:30.19 | Haris | A customer has centos 4.5. They wanted gnupg 2.0.4 installed on it |
| 19:30.21 | ziombka | valdyn, yes, i will think about it |
| 19:30.25 | Haris | to secure their webmail service |
| 19:30.27 | ctatuk | \amethyst: But I truly believe the only reason the 486 is installed because nvidia-glx grabbed it. There was only 686 on the GRUB listing before installing nvidia-glx, and that's the only driver on my system that uses it. Take a look at the output of "aptitude seach 2.6|grep 'i '" -> http://rafb.net/p/6nqMVh46.txt |
| 19:30.35 | valdyn | ziombka: its the same as the last one really, but first cause is bot, second a bug |
| 19:30.36 | Haris | centos community was not willing to support that version of gnupg |
| 19:31.03 | wols | Haris: anything that is in etch/main is supported |
| 19:31.04 | Haris | I had to tell the customer to change OS to get gnupg2 support |
| 19:31.12 | valdyn | ziombka: a complete computer is no good as a 'router' for your business as i understand it |
| 19:31.15 | wols | as far as debian support goes (basically security updates) |
| 19:31.17 | ziombka | valdyn, no i need customers |
| 19:31.19 | ziombka | *now |
| 19:31.26 | \amethyst | ctatuk: Yes, that is what happened. However, if you install the nvidia-kernel-*-686 package, that will satisfy the dependency |
| 19:31.26 | logd | ok replacing user with users it works |
| 19:31.31 | Testerss | Can anyone tell me what would cause a .php file to try saving vs rendering in a browser? I have the php4 mimi types in my apache conf. |
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| 19:31.42 | valdyn | ziombka: you want a ~100euro box with no moving parts, no harddisk, just router |
| 19:31.47 | ctatuk | \amethyst: Do I need to get a *-bigmem kernel? |
| 19:31.48 | abrotman | Testerss: clear your browser cache and restart the browser |
| 19:32.08 | wols | ctatuk: no. 686 kernels already have bigmem compiled in. only 486 doesn't |
| 19:32.13 | ctatuk | k |
| 19:32.20 | logd | just another question: is it possible to diable those strings that scrolls at boot time |
| 19:32.23 | ctatuk | testing now |
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| 19:32.32 | valdyn | ziombka: but you probably already have that.. |
| 19:32.33 | ziombka | valdyn, but when i do router without apache i cant use lms |
| 19:32.43 | ziombka | 100euro? |
| 19:32.49 | valdyn | ziombka: right |
| 19:32.58 | Haris | I got kicked/banned the first time on a channel for asking for support of a future version |
| 19:33.01 | valdyn | ziombka: how do you connect to the net? dsl? |
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| 19:33.06 | ziombka | valdyn, probably... |
| 19:33.06 | wols | ziombka: if thet LMS _must_ run on a router it's garbage |
| 19:33.10 | ziombka | yes, dsl now |
| 19:33.17 | Testerss | abrotman: done... didn't help. |
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| 19:33.36 | geo-rge | Haris: how can you get support for a nonexistant version? |
| 19:33.41 | ziombka | wols, its very good tool |
| 19:33.41 | abrotman | Testerss: did you install the PHP apache module ? |
| 19:33.42 | Haris | How long is debian 3.1 support going? |
| 19:34.10 | valdyn | ziombka: <customer box -> wifi -> dsl router -> internet |
| 19:34.10 | wols | Testerss: grep -r -i php /etc/apache2/* (or /etc/apache/* depending on apache version) |
| 19:34.10 | abrotman | Haris: maybe until next april or so |
| 19:34.10 | \amethyst | wols: I knew 686 had highmem these days, does it have bigmem (64GB) too? |
| 19:34.10 | Testerss | abrotman: yes |
| 19:34.11 | Testerss | wols ok just a sec |
| 19:34.11 | Haris | abrotman: Damn! |
| 19:34.13 | wols | \amethyst: since it's for 32bit ceons too: I guess... |
| 19:34.15 | ziombka | valdyn, yes |
| 19:34.35 | wols | *xeons |
| 19:34.52 | \amethyst | wols: I ask because there's a separate -686-bigmem package in stable |
| 19:34.55 | Testerss | wols that returned a lot... what am I looking for? |
| 19:35.00 | Haris | crappy cpanel |
| 19:35.09 | wols | Testerss: all of it |
| 19:35.13 | wols | Testerss: pastebin it |
| 19:35.33 | wols | amphi: I stand corrected then. but he fortunately deosn't have 64GB :) |
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| 19:35.53 | Bogus8 | I'm no good at init.d scripts... could someone look at mine and see if I have any glaring problems? http://rafb.net/p/hjkLyy28.html |
| 19:36.20 | ziombka | hmm, etch is stable? |
| 19:36.25 | geo-rge | yep |
| 19:36.46 | Haris | generally for linux distributions it is said that the odd numbered releases are stable |
| 19:36.53 | Haris | what is the case with debian |
| 19:36.58 | wols | Haris: huh? |
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| 19:37.06 | wols | that is pure and total made up |
| 19:37.07 | dondelelcaro | Haris: we only make stable releases. |
| 19:37.08 | ctatuk | \amethyst: Thanks. Works perfect. |
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| 19:37.19 | Haris | dondelelcaro: Bad Q I suppose |
| 19:37.22 | geo-rge | Bogus8: see if you can write a script that echos "start" when you feed it start, echos "stop" when you feed it stop, etc |
| 19:37.25 | wols | Haris: only stable has version numbers |
| 19:37.27 | valdyn | Haris: you're confused |
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| 19:37.33 | ziombka | geo-rge, its mean packages is now stable? |
| 19:37.38 | dondelelcaro | Haris: and you're probably thinking of the kernel, but even that's not strictly true anymore. |
| 19:37.38 | Haris | I again put my words the wrong way |
| 19:37.39 | valdyn | Haris: there's no linux distro with that policy |
| 19:37.39 | geo-rge | Bogus8: read /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 19:37.50 | Haris | dondelelcaro: I rarely think of the kernel |
| 19:37.54 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: honestly I didn't write that... deadlyninja gave it to me |
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| 19:38.00 | Haris | dondelelcaro: Usually packagement management/updates are on my mind |
| 19:38.03 | Haris | seemless updates |
| 19:38.21 | dondelelcaro | Haris: well, the kernel is one of the major packages which had such a policy |
| 19:38.40 | geo-rge | Bogus8: if you read that thing, you'll learn something... |
| 19:38.48 | wols | Haris: and it was EVEN releases that were stable |
| 19:39.02 | Haris | I only need to re-configure the kernel is there are any hardware changes or bugs/security issues |
| 19:39.02 | Haris | which is rare |
| 19:39.03 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I never knew it existed... I've only tried to learn by other scripts and googling (never been much sucess |
| 19:39.21 | Testerss | wols: ok... pasted. :) |
| 19:39.33 | valdyn | Haris: are you a bot? |
| 19:39.37 | wols | Testerss: do you think I'm psychic? |
| 19:39.39 | matju | is there an OpenGL driver supporting ARB for the Intel 910/915 GPU ? |
| 19:40.00 | Testerss | wols: just assumed you'd see "Testerr" on the recent posts. :) |
| 19:40.02 | wols | matju: afaik i915 supports compiz so yes |
| 19:40.13 | wols | Testerss: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 19:40.53 | Haris | valdyn: What makes you say that? |
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| 19:41.00 | Testerss | wols: oh... I used pastebin.com |
| 19:41.16 | valdyn | Haris: your questions are so totally weird and incoherent |
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| 19:41.24 | Haris | valdyn: Yep, I am like that |
| 19:41.32 | Haris | I read less, ask more |
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| 19:41.47 | Haris | too much on the reading list, I just run away from it |
| 19:41.58 | geo-rge | Haris: read much more, ask when you don't understand what you read |
| 19:42.03 | wols | Haris: great. if you can be lazy in making an effort, you will see that we can be even lazier in helping you |
| 19:42.04 | j777m | can anyone help me install beryl on etch? |
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| 19:42.17 | wols | j777m: what videocard? |
| 19:42.20 | Haris | wols: I should think before I speak :p |
| 19:42.27 | valdyn | j777m: dont like compiz? |
| 19:42.29 | Haris | *laugh* |
| 19:42.55 | j777m | I have never tried compiz, but I heard it is slower than beryl |
| 19:42.57 | j777m | true? |
| 19:43.04 | valdyn | j777m: no |
| 19:43.05 | Testerss | wols: ok.. its up on debian.net's paste |
| 19:43.18 | wols | Testerss: I am still not psychic |
| 19:43.20 | j777m | I have an nvidia geforce mx 420 video card |
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| 19:43.34 | jumperz | lol |
| 19:43.36 | wols | j777m: are nvidia drivers installed? you might need nvidia-legacy I guess |
| 19:43.38 | Testerss | Argh... |
| 19:43.38 | valdyn | j777m: more like: compiz has just enough features and is relatively stablem beryl has alot more, and is relatively buggy |
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| 19:43.55 | `Nick | what's the vga code to make the display 1024x768px? |
| 19:43.57 | jumperz | maybe the computer wants you to buy a new card |
| 19:43.58 | Testerss | wols: it's right there under recent, listed as my name. |
| 19:44.03 | valdyn | j777m: obviously some people like one, some the other more, speed is the same |
| 19:44.12 | pheezy | anyone running lenny have mp3 support recently break? |
| 19:44.12 | Haris | I have linux to learn about, Windows to learn, Cisco to learn |
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| 19:44.21 | Haris | then there's security and custom configs |
| 19:44.25 | wols | Testerss: you got an url. tell it to us if it's not too much trouble for you |
| 19:44.27 | j777m | ok, I really don't know as I am fairly new to all this |
| 19:44.27 | Haris | and too much! |
| 19:44.32 | valdyn | Haris: see you in a few years ;) |
| 19:44.37 | matju | wols: thanks. so, what's the version of xserver-xorg-video-i810 that I'd need? or do i need a different package from a special site? (or compile from source, etc.) |
| 19:44.37 | wols | Haris: we don't care |
| 19:44.39 | Haris | valdyn: lol |
| 19:44.49 | j777m | I am really up to trying anything recommended |
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| 19:44.58 | pheezy | i had the really-bad gstreamer plugins but had to remove them to installt he good plugins package, however its complaining about libwavpack0 being too low a version |
| 19:45.01 | wols | matju: no. debian comes with all you need. your need DRI and mesa |
| 19:45.04 | valdyn | j777m: compiz wont run on your card as far as i know |
| 19:45.11 | Testerss | wols: paste.debian.net/32171 |
| 19:45.15 | pheezy | but i already have gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 package installed so i'm not sure why it won't give support in amarok :( |
| 19:45.20 | j777m | wols: I am not sure if the drivers are installed how can I check |
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| 19:45.40 | j777m | valdyn: Is there a reason for that - that sux |
| 19:45.45 | wols | Testerss: php module is not loaded |
| 19:45.48 | jumperz | dmesg | grep taints |
| 19:45.52 | wols | Testerss: dpkg -l |grep php |
| 19:46.06 | valdyn | j777m: most likely this is only due to nvidia not releasing new drivers for your card |
| 19:46.07 | jumperz | oh |
| 19:46.10 | jumperz | not the video card |
| 19:46.19 | wols | valdyn: does compiz need a gf3 or later? |
| 19:46.30 | valdyn | wols: it needs 9x drivers |
| 19:46.40 | tzanger | hmm if a package is partially installed/configured, how do you force a reconfigure? I thought dpkg-reconfigure would have done that |
| 19:46.46 | j777m | valdyn: oh, well what do you recommend I do? go with beryl? |
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| 19:46.48 | valdyn | wols: he needs the older set of the legacy drivers |
| 19:47.00 | Testerss | wols: ok... the paste is updated. |
| 19:47.14 | Testerss | wols: paste.debian.net/32173 |
| 19:47.19 | wols | wth?? my sources.list is 0 bytes! |
| 19:47.32 | valdyn | j777m: i need to confirm that assumption first.. |
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| 19:47.59 | wols | Testerss: try to dpkg-reconfigure libapache-mod-php4 |
| 19:48.14 | wols | Testerss: cause there is no php module loaded by apache as far as I can see |
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| 19:48.28 | wols | valdyn: i thijnk there might be 96xx legacy drivers for him |
| 19:48.35 | wols | not in etch of course... |
| 19:49.16 | valdyn | wols: right, i looked |
| 19:49.38 | Testerss | wols: that returned nothing. |
| 19:49.50 | valdyn | j777m: nm, it'll work with your card too, you need about this driver version: 1.0-9639 |
| 19:50.13 | Testerss | wol: purge and reinstall it maybe? |
| 19:50.15 | j777m | valdyn: thats good. Where can I find this? |
| 19:50.33 | wols | Testerss: dunno. I use apache2 |
| 19:50.45 | wols | Testerss: but you need to have a Loadmodule line for php iirc |
| 19:50.51 | Haris | Thankyou! guys |
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| 19:50.56 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx-legacy lenny |
| 19:50.58 | Haris | I appreciate you bearing me |
| 19:50.58 | MrLeavy17 | Hello |
| 19:51.00 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx-legacy sid |
| 19:51.02 | MrLeavy17 | http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeMain.cfm?RefID=hai2u <-- Make a quick $6 on your paypal account |
| 19:51.02 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-legacy: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (71xx legacy version)), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7185-4 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 19:51.21 | abrotman | MrLeavy17: go away |
| 19:51.21 | wols | !ops please remove the spammer |
| 19:51.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please remove the spammer |
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| 19:51.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 19:51.36 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx sid |
| 19:51.37 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (96xx legacy version)), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9639-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3669 kB, Installed size: 11708 kB |
| 19:51.42 | valdyn | j777m: ^^^ |
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| 19:52.32 | Testerss | wols: Loadmodule line in my apache conf? |
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| 19:53.13 | logd | just another question: is it possible to diable those strings that scrolls at boot time |
| 19:53.20 | logd | *disable |
| 19:53.22 | j777m | valdyn: so all i have to do is an apt-get for the nvidia glx and then apt-get install compiz? |
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| 19:53.45 | valdyn | j777m: /msg dpkg simple sid backport and follow the instructions, do it for "nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx" |
| 19:53.50 | wols | !bootsplash |
| 19:53.50 | dpkg | from memory, bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 19:54.02 | valdyn | j777m: nah, its a little more tedious than that... |
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| 19:54.16 | wols | valdyn: good luck :) |
| 19:54.16 | samesame | could anyone recommend a place where i could buy shell space? |
| 19:54.20 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 19:54.20 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia drivers is ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for fast help, or go and read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:54.53 | j777m | valdyn: could you explain |
| 19:55.25 | `Nick | what's a imps/2 mouse? is it just a ps/2 mouse? |
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| 19:55.43 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 19:55.43 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
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| 19:55.47 | valdyn | j777m: ^^^ |
| 19:55.53 | pickcoder | imps is intellimouse ps/2 |
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| 19:56.06 | stefzekiller | hi |
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| 19:57.23 | valdyn | j777m: understandable? |
| 19:57.40 | Kasreyn | I'm trying to make a netinst USB bootdevice. but zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda seems to be stuck or take a very long time. what's wrong? |
| 19:57.51 | PrinceAMD | hi all i am writing a scipt to just display "dev/hd$num" using fdisk, this is what i have so far "fdisk -l |grep "Linux" |grep -v "swap" | gawk --field-separator "/" '{ print $2"/"$3 }'" but i dont know how to remove the end |
| 19:58.18 | j777m | valdyn: Uhh im lost. Im pretty new to all this |
| 19:59.23 | valdyn | j777m: paste your so /etc/apt/sources.list on a paste site, i can reply with a new version |
| 19:59.49 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: ok, I read that file and changed some of the syntax and deleted somethings that didn't seem right... but I still don't get anything, just drops back to the prompt http://rafb.net/p/RbFLtN18.html |
| 19:59.51 | tralala | PrinceAMD, remove what end? |
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| 19:59.55 | Bogus8 | that's the new init script |
| 20:01.02 | Haris | what's a torrent server native for debian? |
| 20:01.09 | PrinceAMD | tralala, nvm i got it :) |
| 20:01.19 | PrinceAMD | #!/bin/bash |
| 20:01.19 | PrinceAMD | fdisk -l |grep "Linux" |grep -v "swap" | gawk --field-separator "/" '{ print $2"/"$3 }'| gawk --field-separator " " '{ print $1 }' |
| 20:01.46 | tralala | Haris, do you mean a tracker? |
| 20:01.57 | stefzekiller | hi everyone |
| 20:02.05 | Haris | Yep |
| 20:02.18 | tralala | Haris, /msg dpkg search |
| 20:02.32 | valdyn | guess i might aswell backport those nvidia packages myself.. |
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| 20:03.28 | j777m | valdyn: what site do you use to paste to? |
| 20:03.39 | Testerss | Can anyone tell me what would cause a .php file to try saving vs rendering in a browser? I have the php4 mimi types in my apache conf. |
| 20:03.51 | valdyn | j777m: pastebin.com or whatever, doesnt matter |
| 20:03.52 | Haris | cool! |
| 20:03.57 | stefzekiller | I've a little problem with Xorg and fglrx driver and I need help please. ( debian unstable + kernel 2.6.21 without paravirtualization + xorg 7.2 + fglrx 8.38 ) |
| 20:04.24 | abrotman | stefzekiller: so ask |
| 20:04.27 | Haris | Is dpkg an egg? |
| 20:04.33 | abrotman | !dpkg |
| 20:04.33 | stew | !what are you |
| 20:04.33 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 20:04.33 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 20:04.42 | abrotman | uhm .. okay then |
| 20:04.45 | stew | nopony |
| 20:04.46 | j777m | valdyn: I will have to find you later to ask. I have to leave. Sorry |
| 20:04.49 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 20:05.17 | stefzekiller | abrotman> the driver is loaded but xorg already switch in software mode |
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| 20:06.43 | abrotman | stefzekiller: i didn't mean to ask me |
| 20:06.47 | stefzekiller | :p |
| 20:06.54 | abrotman | stefzekiller: paste your X log somewhere so that others can see it |
| 20:07.09 | stefzekiller | thanks for the tips :) |
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| 20:07.52 | wols | stefzekiller: /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 20:08.24 | pickcoder | meh it's friday |
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| 20:08.40 | Bogus8 | could someone please look at this init.d script and see if they can tell me what I'm missing... it just drops back to the prompt and doesn't start http://rafb.net/p/RbFLtN18.html |
| 20:08.53 | abrotman | pickcoder: you say that like it's a bad thing |
| 20:09.06 | Haris | Its early Sat. morning for me |
| 20:09.10 | Haris | must hit the sac |
| 20:09.23 | markit | hi, I've a logitech ultra vision webcam, and with uvcvideo dmesg shows that the device is present and the kernel module is loaded, but can't see anything in programs that use it, seems they don't find it... is there something else that needs to be installed? |
| 20:09.41 | wols | abrotman: well, sunday looms |
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| 20:10.29 | pickcoder | Bogus8: wheres the case blocks for "$1"? |
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| 20:11.51 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I have no case in there right? |
| 20:12.01 | Bogus8 | or is that your point? |
| 20:12.12 | pickcoder | the point is nothing is calling your functions |
| 20:12.18 | pickcoder | look at an existing init script |
| 20:12.27 | junix|work | after formatting my computer at work, it still froze with Debian Stable on it, anyone got any suggestions? |
| 20:12.32 | Nyle | man my buddman didn't call! |
| 20:12.35 | Nyle | :( |
| 20:12.53 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I have and I understand how they can be more complex... but I just want a simple one that calls the script... doesn't need to check cases and such |
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| 20:13.33 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: doesn't the start-stop-daemon --exec do the executing? |
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| 20:13.57 | dima__ | Hi all brothers! |
| 20:14.02 | lymeca | Anyone know of a motherboard that has an integrated hardware RAID-5 controller for 4-6 SATA-II drives so I don't have to buy a discrete PCI-Express card? |
| 20:14.23 | sohmestra | I've installed cupsys-bsd, but nothing seems to be listening on port 515. How do I get lpr support via cups? |
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| 20:14.47 | pickcoder | Bogus8: your script tells it to do it |
| 20:15.03 | pickcoder | but you still have to call one of the functions you've defined |
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| 20:15.51 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: sab_exec followed by sab_args doesn't cut it? |
| 20:15.59 | valdyn | lymeca: i doubt there is one |
| 20:16.07 | valdyn | lymeca: wouldnt linux software raid do? |
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| 20:16.25 | pickcoder | Bogus8: http://www.pastebin.ca/606366 </606366> |
| 20:16.29 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:16.34 | pickcoder | http://www.pastebin.ca/606366 |
| 20:16.38 | pickcoder | put that at the end |
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| 20:17.07 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I gotcha |
| 20:17.21 | Bogus8 | it has nothing defining that I called start or stop |
| 20:17.31 | Bogus8 | sorry, your point was lost in translation here... my fault |
| 20:17.43 | revil | h guys. I want to install an if-up script for the tap0 interface that QEMU runs with -net tap configuration. Where should i put it? |
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| 20:18.08 | revil | is /etc/network/if-up.d/tap0 a proper name? |
| 20:18.14 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: what does esac do? it throws up an error on that line |
| 20:18.19 | junix|work | after formatting my computer at work, it still froze with Debian Stable on it, anyone got any suggestions? |
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| 20:18.22 | sohmestra | is there any configuration directive necessary to have cups-lpd started by /etc/init.d/cupsys? |
| 20:18.41 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I see that it is case backwards... is that right? |
| 20:18.53 | valdyn | sohmestra: what's cups-lpd? |
| 20:19.20 | sohmestra | valdyn: it's something provided by the cupsys-bsd package |
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| 20:19.32 | sohmestra | valdyn: provides lpd daemon which works with cups |
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| 20:19.57 | valdyn | sohmestra: i see |
| 20:21.02 | tralala | junix|work, do you care to give some more details? |
| 20:22.25 | sohmestra | oh, forget it. I have to run it via inetd, and the package doesnt automatically add an entry, I guess. |
| 20:22.29 | junix|work | i will work for 8 hours a day, and the system just starts to stop working...slowing down...i have vmware on here with 1.5GB of ram, a Nvidia video card... |
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| 20:23.21 | sohmestra | junix|work: if the software changes, and the problem continues, it could indicate that the hardware is at fault. |
| 20:23.56 | junix|work | it was happening with unstable to begin with |
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| 20:24.48 | valdyn | sohmestra: man cups-lpd |
| 20:25.00 | pickcoder | Bogus8: sorry.. drop the first reversed case |
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| 20:25.10 | tralala | junix|work, slowing down may be related to a memory leak |
| 20:25.12 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: k, thanks |
| 20:25.25 | sohmestra | valdyn: yeah, that's why I said "oh, forget it" |
| 20:25.29 | tralala | junix|work, do you have a browser opened all the time? |
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| 20:25.31 | sohmestra | valdyn: thanks though |
| 20:25.41 | junix|work | yeah...some days |
| 20:26.09 | tralala | have you tried restarting the browser and vmware? |
| 20:26.18 | junix|work | yes |
| 20:26.21 | junix|work | that seems to work |
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| 20:27.22 | tralala | apparently it's a memory leak in one of the apps |
| 20:27.36 | junix|work | ok |
| 20:27.44 | tralala | the usual suspect is the flash plugin |
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| 20:28.29 | tralala | if possible remove it completely or use a browser without it |
| 20:28.44 | tralala | if vmware leaks, there isn't much to do however |
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| 20:28.51 | eifzon | can i get pidgin work for deb etch? |
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| 20:29.02 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: now, when I call this on an RC level it will automatically call start on boot? |
| 20:29.06 | wols | !info gaim etch |
| 20:29.07 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 20:29.17 | wols | eifzon: so just install gaim |
| 20:29.30 | pickcoder | Bogus8: test it manually first. if it works then stop and start commands should work |
| 20:29.38 | eifzon | wols: gaim looks waa |
| 20:29.46 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: yeah, it's manually working... VERY much thanks for that! |
| 20:29.49 | wols | then look for backports |
| 20:29.58 | eifzon | wols: ok |
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| 20:30.32 | pickcoder | Bogus8: you should a restart case block that stops, sleeps, and then starts |
| 20:30.37 | pickcoder | ~should add |
| 20:30.40 | matju | wols: thanks about i810, i'll go make some tests, but it's very much possible that I'll have to upgrade my distro in order to use that. |
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| 20:31.17 | pickcoder | since it's a custom script, though, I don't guess it's a requirement |
| 20:31.37 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: yeah, it's not vital if it's not working or anything... though not sure what happens if you call it twice |
| 20:32.06 | pickcoder | Bogus8: start-stop-daemon takes care of that |
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| 20:32.34 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: ah cool, then yeah I shouldn't need to restart often so if I do I'll just do it manually for now |
| 20:32.40 | Bogus8 | thanks for the education :) |
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| 20:33.17 | pickcoder | no prob. glad I'm of some use today |
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| 20:35.10 | ndee | how can I test if a crontab will work? |
| 20:36.59 | Szeraax | so heres a question about apt. to put in a http sources entry, do i have to type it (or insert\paste) or is there a list of mirrors for me to simply chose from? |
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| 20:37.53 | Supaplex | !tell Szeraax -about sources.list |
| 20:38.08 | wols | !mirrors |
| 20:38.08 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:38.09 | Szeraax | ty |
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| 20:38.13 | Supaplex | Szeraax: I don't completely understand your question. please claify if that's not what you wanted. |
| 20:38.21 | Szeraax | k |
| 20:38.24 | Szeraax | gimme minute |
| 20:38.24 | PrinceAMD | hey all how can i specify a line in a text file with cat or another program |
| 20:38.37 | wols | PrinceAMD: grep? |
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| 20:38.46 | Supaplex | head/tail |
| 20:38.47 | wols | specify how exactly? |
| 20:38.49 | PrinceAMD | grep ;) |
| 20:39.10 | pickcoder | why is apt-setup still in that factoid |
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| 20:39.21 | sanmarcos | I am trying to install my kernel headers, but linux-kernel-headers is an outdated, version, I can install it with linux-headers-$(version), but where should I do my symlinks? |
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| 20:39.36 | esaym | http://security.debian.org/ is not for Testing right? |
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| 20:39.53 | streuner | no |
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| 20:40.13 | esaym | Ok so I guess I could just remove it from my list then huh? |
| 20:40.29 | esaym | because all my sources are testing |
| 20:40.44 | streuner | !testing security |
| 20:40.44 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 20:41.02 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 20:41.03 | dpkg | rahul <n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 22h 6m 59s ago, saying: 'so you're saying you don't exist? heh'. |
| 20:41.14 | Nyle | fuck |
| 20:41.26 | Nyle | well i'll call him i need the doobage man |
| 20:41.43 | esaym | fascinating |
| 20:42.42 | PrinceAMD | wols, cool i got that working good now, how can i like get an output of how many lines in the file? |
| 20:42.42 | streuner | asshole |
| 20:42.56 | Nyle | what? |
| 20:42.58 | Nyle | what did i do? |
| 20:43.07 | Nyle | nm |
| 20:43.19 | Nyle | abrotwoman must be around |
| 20:43.26 | dondelelcaro | PrinceAMD: wc -l foofile; |
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| 20:43.45 | Nyle | damn fglrx! |
| 20:43.51 | PrinceAMD | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 20:43.54 | esaym | streuner: but nothing is in: http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/ |
| 20:43.57 | esaym | I guess that is normal? |
| 20:44.03 | Szeraax | Nyle: i know the feeling... |
| 20:44.10 | Nyle | There is no composite! |
| 20:44.21 | Nyle | and other stuff |
| 20:44.36 | Szeraax | i'm still trying to get my ati radeon 9200 to direct render... |
| 20:44.44 | Nyle | good luck with that |
| 20:45.16 | stew | Szeraax: which driver are you using? |
| 20:45.16 | Szeraax | lol |
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| 20:45.58 | peter__ | I have problem... I just installed Etch. I would like to install totem-xine. I guess I need to have repositories from www.debian-multimedia.org, but there is error "NO PUBLIC KEY". I tried ! etch key but dont works. What should I do? |
| 20:45.59 | Szeraax | ummmm, right now i am on vacation with an hour bored, and cant remember what it is 9its at home) |
| 20:46.01 | sohmestra | ok, so I've got cups-lpd set up, and the logs indicate that it is successfully recieving and printing jobs...but no data ever makes it to my printer. |
| 20:46.05 | Nyle | stew: open drivers for it should work on that card for 3d no? |
| 20:46.15 | stew | Nyle: yes |
| 20:46.15 | Nyle | radeon 9200 i mean |
| 20:46.18 | Szeraax | i'm using the ati crap |
| 20:46.20 | wols | peter__: that is no error. look harder |
| 20:46.27 | Szeraax | and fglrx |
| 20:46.27 | Nyle | wols: you have a tail again. |
| 20:46.30 | wols | peter__: also visit the webpage of the repo you are using |
| 20:46.33 | stew | Szeraax: why use the non-free driver when the free one supports your card? |
| 20:46.40 | Nyle | er.. I'm going blind |
| 20:46.45 | Szeraax | what free one? |
| 20:47.09 | Szeraax | Nyle: i had to get glasses 5 months ago... |
| 20:47.15 | wols | stew: especially since no current closed driver will work for his card |
| 20:47.29 | sohmestra | Szeraax: the X.org "radeon" driver support 9200 series ATI cards, 2D/3D accelaration. |
| 20:47.36 | wols | Szeraax: ati. fglrx will not work for you anymore. ati.com stopped supporting it last autumn |
| 20:47.37 | Szeraax | hmmm |
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| 20:47.47 | Szeraax | it said that my card was supported |
| 20:48.00 | wols | Szeraax: not with current Xorg. |
| 20:48.13 | Szeraax | when i did the driver install, i did the custom build for deb/etch |
| 20:48.16 | wols | if you have a radeon9200 that is |
| 20:48.21 | stew | Szeraax: its definately supported, and "man radeon" should confirm that (its been supported, including 3d accelleration/direct rendering for many years now) |
| 20:48.27 | Szeraax | dang, when i'm home, i'm totally killing fglrx/ati |
| 20:48.29 | HardDisk_WP | what should I do with make-kpkg to get the "best" kernel for a AMD "64x2 3800+" CPU? |
| 20:48.29 | wols | Szeraax: do you have a ati radeon 9200 based card? |
| 20:48.32 | HardDisk_WP | dualcore |
| 20:48.38 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 20:48.40 | Szeraax | the SE |
| 20:48.43 | wols | HardDisk_WP: nothing |
| 20:48.50 | Szeraax | bought it for $1.95 |
| 20:48.58 | Nyle | wols: I can't use anything but fglrx |
| 20:48.59 | wols | Szeraax: then you need the "ati" driver. none other. (well vesa would work too...) |
| 20:48.59 | Nyle | or vesa |
| 20:49.07 | Nyle | vesa sucks ballsacks |
| 20:49.11 | HardDisk_WP | wols, i mean with the kernel configure, sry |
| 20:49.13 | Szeraax | i have been using the atidriver |
| 20:49.25 | wols | Szeraax: choose k8/k7 and smp |
| 20:49.29 | Nyle | but fglrx sucks more |
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| 20:49.33 | Szeraax | i'll go do some better testing with it when i'm at home... |
| 20:49.34 | Nyle | but.. at least i get 3d for games |
| 20:50.15 | Nyle | hey, I have the quake4 cd, how can I install it on debian? I mean, is the quake engine packed for debian or not? cuz all i see in apt is the old quake |
| 20:50.20 | wols | Szeraax: you are using etch right? |
| 20:50.24 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 20:50.34 | wols | Nyle: ask idgames.com. not us |
| 20:50.48 | wols | Szeraax: etch/stable never worked with fglrx |
| 20:50.50 | Szeraax | and it auto detected my card when installing X.org so i had ati for driver |
| 20:50.50 | Nyle | wols: ask idgames to package it for debian? |
| 20:50.52 | wols | for your card that is |
| 20:50.58 | wols | Nyle: no. where to get it |
| 20:50.59 | Nyle | wols: sure, but I doubt they will. |
| 20:51.11 | wols | Nyle: still not our problem |
| 20:51.26 | Nyle | wols: I asked it was packeged on debian or not, because its not in main, and you're telling me like |
| 20:51.27 | Szeraax | but as i couldn't access the internet at that time, i couldnt get any games that were 3d |
| 20:51.34 | Nyle | its like, hey, I want an apple, and you say, here have an orange |
| 20:51.36 | Nyle | wtf |
| 20:51.37 | Szeraax | all kde was little 2d ones |
| 20:51.41 | wols | it's propietary software. it cannot be in debian |
| 20:51.46 | Nyle | no it isn't |
| 20:51.55 | Nyle | graphics are, but the engine is gpl afaik |
| 20:51.58 | Nyle | for all idgames |
| 20:52.01 | wols | you are wrong |
| 20:52.04 | Nyle | i might be |
| 20:52.12 | wols | it will take a few years until they release it under GPL |
| 20:52.13 | Szeraax | well, sweet, i'm really excited to have ati crap off my comp |
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| 20:52.40 | anirban | Hi |
| 20:52.49 | barnydan | Play Nexiuz! |
| 20:53.12 | anirban | I tried aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla and got this error http://paste.debian.net/32178 |
| 20:53.21 | wols | Supaplex: you're bigger than anything else? |
| 20:53.24 | wols | good to know... |
| 20:53.32 | Supaplex | !supaplex |
| 20:53.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, supaplex is a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has atleast 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team |
| 20:53.34 | Supaplex | the game |
| 20:53.42 | HardDisk_WP | Is SMP good for dualcores or is SMP allowed only if there are two physical CPUs?? |
| 20:53.58 | wols | anirban: why would you want two flashplugins? |
| 20:54.10 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: default actually in Debian... |
| 20:54.17 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 20:54.31 | HardDisk_WP | i compile new kernel for my dad, he is the only in our family with dualcore |
| 20:54.43 | wols | HardDisk_WP: why are you doing that? |
| 20:54.53 | HardDisk_WP | 2.6.21? |
| 20:54.56 | anirban | I think the old package remain in my system |
| 20:55.02 | HardDisk_WP | testing still has 2.6.18 |
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| 20:55.05 | wols | HardDisk_WP: I didn't ask about versions. I asked about why |
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| 20:55.28 | HardDisk_WP | well, my dad want to try it |
| 20:55.41 | irwiss | Could SMART temperature sensors on hard drives be considered a feature for kernel hardware monitoring section at some point? Or will it stay in userland forever? |
| 20:55.45 | Supaplex | HardDisk_WP: what's wrong with the stable kernel? |
| 20:55.57 | HardDisk_WP | i dunno, (only that it's ages old) |
| 20:56.04 | HardDisk_WP | afk |
| 20:56.23 | Supaplex | debian applies security patches - so it's better tested as far as intigration goes |
| 20:56.56 | Supaplex | unless your hardware or specific feature requires something not found with the debian kernel, we suggest the stable kernel. |
| 20:57.00 | tralala | etch seems to ignore the PASSWD directive in sudoers - I'm still able to run the command specified after it without a pass |
| 20:57.06 | irwiss | e1000 driver is broken in .18 |
| 20:57.16 | anirban | okay able to install it |
| 20:57.24 | anirban | but still no flash is coming |
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| 20:57.29 | Supaplex | tralala: sudo keeps a timestamp, and won't reask the password for a short period |
| 20:57.32 | kamui | anyone with a GMA900? |
| 20:57.41 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: old isnt automatically bad, you should have a good reason to compile kernels... |
| 20:57.41 | tralala | Supaplex, oh... can I clear it? |
| 20:57.54 | kamui | wondering how to enable dual displays with the gma 900 |
| 20:58.01 | Supaplex | tralala: I think it's in /var/run/sudo/ |
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| 20:58.52 | tralala | Supaplex, done, thanks! |
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| 20:59.59 | peter__ | wols, I have this error with totem http://pastebin.ca/606430 - what can I be wrong ? |
| 21:00.33 | wols | you are root. why are you running it as root? |
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| 21:02.34 | Nyle | wols: you're right |
| 21:02.38 | Nyle | quake 3 is gpl |
| 21:02.40 | Nyle | 4 isn't yet |
| 21:02.48 | smacnay | what tool formats a DVD RAM disc? |
| 21:02.53 | peter__ | wols, cause, if I launch it as normal user there is same error, but terminal dont show it to me |
| 21:03.07 | leguru | lol, funny ... taking all that time looking that up |
| 21:03.09 | wols | peter__: use gksudo |
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| 21:04.01 | irwiss | What's the purpose of console-* packages? Description says keymaps, is it input methods or just how the physical keys are mapped logically? |
| 21:04.20 | peter__ | wols, nothing to see with gksudo |
| 21:04.21 | sohmestra | how do I get cups-lpd not to care what user submits a print job? right now, it will only print jobs for valid users, so if a user on another machine tries to print to my lpd server...it accepts the job, and pretends to print it, but doesnt. |
| 21:04.35 | wols | smacnay: it is treated as a normal block device. mkfs will work |
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| 21:04.57 | wols | peter__: use gksu then |
| 21:05.40 | peter__ | wols, ok, but what about error ? |
| 21:06.12 | jipp | wow.. now that i understand apache2 under debian it finally clicked - i dig this layout |
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| 21:06.49 | wols | peter__: what error? I told you how to fix it |
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| 21:07.15 | wols | or how it should be fixed at any rate |
| 21:07.25 | peter__ | wols, dont see |
| 21:07.54 | peter__ | wols, how to fix it ? |
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| 21:08.33 | anirban | How to get youtube working on AMD 64 |
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| 21:09.00 | `Nick | anyone know how to get Damn Small Linux to find a Broadcom wireless card? |
| 21:09.19 | wols | `Nick: no. we're not the DSL support channel |
| 21:09.20 | wols | !dsl |
| 21:09.21 | dpkg | i guess dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 21:09.32 | anirban | I think Broad Com Wifi work with Linux |
| 21:09.46 | wols | anirban: gnash, 32bit chroot, 32bit ffox, etc |
| 21:09.57 | wols | gnash needs the cvs version. not in debian afaik |
| 21:10.06 | anirban | no easy way :-( |
| 21:10.16 | `Nick | anirban: it wont though :( |
| 21:10.47 | anirban | Not with I do not want 32 bit chroot |
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| 21:11.41 | wols | anirban: and I don't not want to get a pony. we both have it really hard, hm? |
| 21:11.45 | smacnay | wols: thanks |
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| 21:12.22 | anirban | I think I shall use my old 32 bit CPU to view YouTube |
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| 21:12.45 | anirban | or install VMware or VirtualBox |
| 21:12.46 | jwickard | what's the syntax to restrict an apt source to a specific package deb http://some.repository.address testing main sweetpackage |
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| 21:13.06 | wols | jwickard: are you running mainly etch? |
| 21:13.14 | jwickard | yes |
| 21:13.27 | wols | jwickard: then don't do that. mixing branches is bad |
| 21:13.33 | wols | jwickard: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 21:13.49 | wols | do a backport |
| 21:13.58 | wols | or check if a backport is available |
| 21:14.36 | jwickard | wols: is there some central repository of backports? |
| 21:14.45 | wols | !backports |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 21:14.50 | jipp | moved from suse 10.2 to etch - glad i did now |
| 21:15.05 | wols | jwickard: if you can't find a backport, the simple sid backport is highly recommended |
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| 21:15.30 | wols | Jussi: what made you switch? |
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| 21:16.38 | aum | hi - with vncserver, is there a way to get it to serve a current X desktop over vnc, instead of creating a whole new one? |
| 21:17.27 | tralala | aum, x11vnc |
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| 21:18.08 | wols | what is the "best" remote desktop thingie to serve a wine session over it (running under X, probably windoed)... :) |
| 21:18.43 | mmlj4 | ssh -X |
| 21:18.49 | wols | the thing is, it'd directly mapped graphics memory which means vnc from windows to windows was bad |
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| 21:19.06 | wols | I don't need ssh. LAN |
| 21:19.09 | mmlj4 | oh, to windows? |
| 21:19.16 | eald | is there a way to 'dump' the actual keyboard layout in X? I have a weird problem Ctrl+PageUp don't work, but Ctrl+PageDown works |
| 21:19.26 | mmlj4 | no, ssh -X forwards the X magic cookie thingies |
| 21:19.27 | wols | and I left out another reuqirement: it needs to continue to run when I'm not connected :) |
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| 21:19.35 | vdv | hi all |
| 21:19.35 | wols | I can use an X server on windows no prob |
| 21:19.39 | mmlj4 | but if you're going to a windows box, then you'd need an X server |
| 21:19.48 | vdv | I want to buy a RAM, but doubt between two choises: RAM with max clock 400 and 2.5 latency and another RAM with 800 clock but with latency 6 (my mobo's bus clock is 800-1000, and proc's clock is 1000) |
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| 21:20.04 | wols | vdv: what CPU, what chipset? |
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| 21:20.09 | wols | chances are it's the 400 one |
| 21:20.22 | wols | cause I don't know any CPU with 1GHz that uses DDR2 |
| 21:20.39 | vdv | AMD ATHLON-64 3500+ |
| 21:20.53 | wols | ypur cpu runs at ~2GHz, not 1GHz |
| 21:20.54 | vdv | SocketAM2, nForce570 SLI |
| 21:20.59 | mmlj4 | that's what I need! a faster box! (who doesn't?) |
| 21:21.02 | wols | vdv: pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:21.13 | wols | vdv: DDR2 then |
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| 21:21.26 | vdv | actually this pc is not running now |
| 21:21.41 | wols | you still need DDR2 with that chipset and socket |
| 21:21.49 | wols | no need for cpuinfo |
| 21:21.59 | rocketmagnet | hi, how to get the handle of a window to send them quit messages ? |
| 21:22.04 | vdv | yes i know, mobo even doesn't support anything else |
| 21:22.08 | wols | rocketmagnet: ps aux |
| 21:22.16 | geo-rge | Bogus8: you now have to add code that tests the argument for what it's supposed to do |
| 21:22.19 | wols | if you know, why did you ask? |
| 21:22.24 | vdv | but the matter is which clock DDRII to choose |
| 21:22.30 | wols | vdv: doesn't matter |
| 21:22.34 | geo-rge | Bogus8: btw, GOOD start |
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| 21:22.51 | anapivirtua | Bonsoir / Good evening |
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| 21:23.01 | wols | vdv: by default un-oced your cpu uses DDR2-533 |
| 21:23.01 | geo-rge | I like the way you put the stuff into functions |
| 21:23.16 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: thanks, pickcoder actually helped me sort it out |
| 21:23.28 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I can't take credit for that :) |
| 21:23.30 | fowlduck | you guys will know, I'm sure. Do you know of any server software that will temporarily allow downloads of specific files? |
| 21:23.31 | markit | do I need any special package to make use of a webcam? (besides it's drivers and a program like camstream) |
| 21:23.33 | vdv | second i've mentioned earlier is cheaper than first for 30$ |
| 21:23.48 | wols | fowlduck: temporarily? |
| 21:24.00 | fowlduck | wols: with an expiration date/time |
| 21:24.04 | rocketmagnet | wols: thx for the command, but this lists to many also if i grep only gnome |
| 21:24.11 | wols | vdv: the first is DDR ram. you can't use that |
| 21:24.15 | geo-rge | Bogus8: BUT do you see how it can make a script easier to deal with (if you create things and name them) |
| 21:24.23 | rocketmagnet | there was a command to get the window handle (some x11 cmd) |
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| 21:24.37 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: definitely... I'm all about variables |
| 21:24.43 | ghatak_mobile | when i do apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, i get no choice but to upgrade all packages that update thinks need to be updated. I want some packages not be updated. How do i get around that ? |
| 21:24.47 | vdv | sorry, misprinted, they are both DDRII |
| 21:24.52 | geo-rge | in this case, names of the functions |
| 21:25.00 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I used to do some programing in VB back in the day.. declared variables are your friend! |
| 21:25.01 | wols | ghatak_mobile: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:25.01 | vdv | but with different clocks and latency |
| 21:25.16 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: they serve similar functions |
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| 21:25.32 | wols | vdv: DDR2 never ever has 2.5 latency. many people would kill for such a thing |
| 21:25.43 | wols | and DDR2-400 is pretty much unheard of nowadays |
| 21:25.49 | smtlaissezfaire | Hi all. I'm looking for some advice on a backup solution. |
| 21:25.51 | geo-rge | if that's the case, if you also write comments that tell what the variable is for, it becomes your LTR |
| 21:26.18 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I'm bad at commenting code... I usually go back later and comment everythign :D |
| 21:26.19 | smtlaissezfaire | My situation is this: I would like to backup a server's configuration files on a local network. |
| 21:26.20 | vdv | wols, ah, yes, you are right |
| 21:26.45 | wols | vdv: I told you what your cpu usually runs. otherwise: this channel is not #hardware |
| 21:26.50 | vdv | first is DDR, not DDRII |
| 21:27.02 | smtlaissezfaire | NFS looks like an option, although I am a little worried about security. My local server doesn't have a static IP, so DNS looks like a no go. |
| 21:27.19 | geo-rge | Bogus8: # dis iz 4 stor da naem |
| 21:27.21 | jwickard | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:27.25 | wols | smtlaissezfaire: rsync. and you can always use dyndns |
| 21:27.32 | jwickard | !dpkg php5-xcache |
| 21:27.34 | wols | jwickard: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:27.37 | vdv | wols: thanks a lot |
| 21:27.56 | smtlaissezfaire | wols: but there may be files which are readable by root only, and I would like to back these up, as well. |
| 21:28.01 | geo-rge | if you have to understand your code in 6 mos, it helps |
| 21:28.18 | pickcoder | smtlaissezfaire: scp them using a script |
| 21:28.20 | wols | smtlaissezfaire: so? run it as root |
| 21:28.36 | smtlaissezfaire | Connect to the server via ssh as root? |
| 21:28.54 | wols | run it locally as root so you can access those files and transfer them wherever |
| 21:28.55 | jwickard | wols, thanks for the help |
| 21:28.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 21:29.05 | HardDisk_WP | i got some smartcard and a USB card reader |
| 21:29.26 | HardDisk_WP | but actually the smartcard is a GeldKarte...how can I find out with linux how much money is on it? |
| 21:29.27 | smtlaissezfaire | I would like the backup program to run on my local server, not the remote server. |
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| 21:29.56 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: oh, I know! I have some wacky ways of getting around road blocks in programming and when I go back to it later I just look at it and laugh and hardly understand a bit of it anymore ... it all made sense when I did it though :) |
| 21:30.09 | pickcoder | smtlaissezfaire: then you need to make user readable copies of the configs in a user readable dir somewhere |
| 21:30.11 | wols | HardDisk_WP: http://www.google.de/search?q=Geldkarte+linux&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 21:30.15 | pickcoder | use ssh to obtain them as that user |
| 21:30.21 | pickcoder | scp even |
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| 21:30.35 | pickcoder | put that user in it's own group |
| 21:30.39 | smtlaissezfaire | pickcoder: Can I scp directories? |
| 21:31.03 | smtlaissezfaire | Or do I need to tar them up before using scp? |
| 21:31.06 | geo-rge | Bogus8: # dis uez wacky way #42 |
| 21:31.07 | pickcoder | smtlaissezfaire: yes with the -r option |
| 21:31.13 | pickcoder | tar would be preferable |
| 21:31.17 | pickcoder | less transfer media |
| 21:31.21 | pickcoder | tar + gz |
| 21:31.30 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: haha.. something like that... less slang though ;) |
| 21:31.42 | smtlaissezfaire | I think rsync would be preferable, to only transfer the diffs |
| 21:31.44 | pb_werkin | scp -C does reasonably effective compression. |
| 21:32.00 | HardDisk_WP | wols thx... |
| 21:32.02 | pickcoder | smtlaissezfaire: personally, I'd go with wols suggestion |
| 21:32.09 | geo-rge | kapitol kpmpresion? |
| 21:32.13 | pickcoder | and push configs out to a backup server |
| 21:32.29 | ghatak_mobile | thanks |
| 21:32.42 | pickcoder | that way you don't have non-root copies of things laying around |
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| 21:32.51 | smtlaissezfaire | pickcoder: Run rsync as root on what server? The local server, sshing into the remote server as root ? |
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| 21:33.30 | smtlaissezfaire | pickcoder: yeah - the copy idea doesn't seem like a good one. |
| 21:33.35 | pickcoder | I never said run rsync |
| 21:34.01 | pickcoder | which side has a static IP |
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| 21:34.25 | smtlaissezfaire | the remote server has a static IP. |
| 21:34.36 | pickcoder | there's your rsycnd location |
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| 21:35.24 | pickcoder | I've used rsync to backup Gforge and PHPnuke content |
| 21:35.34 | geo-rge | rsickened? |
| 21:35.50 | pickcoder | only because I didn't have time to write a 1000 line bash script to back everything up with scp |
| 21:36.13 | simonrvn | only 1000? :P |
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| 21:36.32 | smtlaissezfaire | pickcoder: So run rsyncd on the remote server (with static IP), and then rsync over ssh to copy these files from my local (non-static IP)? |
| 21:36.38 | pickcoder | simonrvn: it wasn't a very active site.. so 1000 was too much to start with |
| 21:36.38 | smtlaissezfaire | pickcoder: Am I following you? |
| 21:36.39 | geo-rge | you would write a bash script generator |
| 21:37.02 | Guerin | smtlaissezfaire: use rsnapshot on the backup host |
| 21:37.19 | simonrvn | while true; echo "Hi!\n"; done |
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| 21:37.33 | smtlaissezfaire | Guerin: I've been using a combination of rsync + GNU cp -al, which seems to work pretty well for me. |
| 21:37.34 | geo-rge | Hi! |
| 21:37.39 | Guerin | smtlaissezfaire: install rsync (but don't necessarily run the daemon) on the backup clients, and use ssh with keys and ssh-agent to log in |
| 21:37.47 | pickcoder | smtlaissezfaire: rsync user@remotehost:src /localpath |
| 21:37.52 | pickcoder | man rsync |
| 21:37.52 | j777m | valdyn: i am back. if you are still willing to help, here is the sources list http://pastebin.ca/606481 |
| 21:37.57 | simonrvn | hehee |
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| 21:38.13 | Guerin | smtlaissezfaire: it depends how much work you want to do |
| 21:38.14 | geo-rge | simonrvn: gotcha :) |
| 21:38.18 | Guerin | !tahwtda |
| 21:38.18 | dpkg | There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
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| 21:38.35 | simonrvn | there's also an easy way to do anything |
| 21:38.44 | simonrvn | and probably more |
| 21:38.44 | Guerin | not quite *anything* |
| 21:38.51 | geo-rge | so the easier the way gets, the less you can apply it to? |
| 21:38.55 | Guerin | some things are Just Plain Hard |
| 21:39.00 | Guerin | (like using vi) |
| 21:39.11 | xembrx | vi can be pretty sadistic |
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| 21:39.41 | simonrvn | vi just plain sucks, i prefer vim, but "fallen in love" with emacs |
| 21:39.42 | geo-rge | yeah... emacs is useful due to its scripting language and especially emacs shell buffer |
| 21:40.02 | geo-rge | but there's something to be said for an editor that works normally |
| 21:40.52 | Guerin | geo-rge: normally, as in, you don't have to hit escesc every 10 seconds to get out of retarded mode? |
| 21:40.56 | Guerin | i agree |
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| 21:41.07 | geo-rge | if I'm developing data models or queries for a database, emacs shell mode running psql can't be beat |
| 21:41.26 | smtlaissezfaire | Guerin, pickcoder, wols: I'll explore the rsyncd more, and come back for more advice. Thank you |
| 21:41.33 | geo-rge | but I really miss mac user interface |
| 21:41.57 | geo-rge | hilite text, type anything, it replaces |
| 21:41.57 | ghatak_mobile | Hello, i am using debian+fluxbox, my mic does not work although sound output works fine. please help me with that |
| 21:42.39 | Badran | ghatak_mobile: did you tried to boost the mic ? |
| 21:42.45 | geo-rge | ghatak_mobile: look at the mixer settings (this has nothing to do with flexbox btw) |
| 21:43.03 | geo-rge | try: alsamixer |
| 21:43.07 | ghatak_mobile | Badran: yea i did, it seems that no input is being detected |
| 21:43.12 | Guerin | geo-rge: i prefer not having that particular innovation |
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| 21:43.22 | Guerin | it results in data loss |
| 21:43.43 | geo-rge | undo :) |
| 21:44.10 | ghatak_mobile | geo-rge: the front mic is selected in alsa mixer but I can not do anything with it. it seems the only options that exist are Front Mic or Rear Mic |
| 21:44.35 | xand | front and rear mic? eh? |
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| 21:45.01 | Guerin | geo-rge: like the time when my mother was using word to write a case study for work, and instead of ^s she hit ^a then s, deleting the whole document and replacing it with s, then ^s to save it, then she was so shocked she closed the window to make it go away |
| 21:45.11 | ghatak_mobile | xand: there are two places where I can attach my mic, front of system or back. |
| 21:45.12 | geo-rge | isn't there a level to adjust? is it muted? |
| 21:45.39 | xand | ghatak_mobile: do you know that they dont go to the same place? |
| 21:46.00 | geo-rge | Guerin: but that's arguably operator error :) |
| 21:46.21 | ghatak_mobile | xand: the driver must select the source of input, this is a built in functionality |
| 21:46.22 | Guerin | geo-rge: not arguably at all ... but if she'd been forced to hit DEL it would have been moot |
| 21:46.24 | geo-rge | but it would be nice if you could recover from that |
| 21:46.43 | ghatak_mobile | Ok, i have just found out that lsmod | grep alsa returns nothing |
| 21:46.54 | Guerin | geo-rge: and nor should it |
| 21:46.56 | ghatak_mobile | while lsmod | grep oss returns lot of stuff |
| 21:47.00 | Guerin | ghatak_mobile: and nor should it |
| 21:47.12 | Guerin | ghatak_mobile: lsmod |grep snd is what you want |
| 21:47.18 | geo-rge | if emacs for example would store the undo history for every edited file |
| 21:47.24 | geo-rge | THAT would be nice |
| 21:47.33 | Guerin | ghatak_mobile: none of the alsa modules have `alsa' in them; while some alsa modules have `oss' in them |
| 21:47.38 | xand | and require silly amounts of ram/disk |
| 21:47.45 | j777m | Is anyone here able to help me install beryl on debian etch? |
| 21:47.49 | Guerin | ghatak_mobile: that would be cool, but would result in word-sized textfiles |
| 21:48.01 | ghatak_mobile | Guerin: ok that makes sense |
| 21:48.16 | JeffH | I've connected my printer to my Linux server box in hopes that I'll be able to print from my Mac.. I assume I first need to get the printer working from within Linux.. but then what steps do I take to get my mac to be able to print from it? |
| 21:48.20 | geo-rge | ok everyone... it's time for the daily beryl exercise |
| 21:48.25 | ghatak_mobile | Guerin: now, how do i find out why the mic is not working. it seems that driver is loaded |
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| 21:48.50 | xand | JeffH: macs can print to several types of printer server... you'd want to ask in #macosx about that ;) |
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| 21:48.59 | xand | JeffH: but install cups first for it to work on linux |
| 21:49.05 | Guerin | JeffH: can you get cups on Crappleware? |
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| 21:49.11 | valdyn | j777m: still need your nvidia driver though? |
| 21:49.17 | xand | s/macs/os x/ |
| 21:49.22 | JeffH | Guerin: what's Crappleware? |
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| 21:49.28 | j777m | valdyn: I suppose?? |
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| 21:49.37 | Guerin | JeffH: anything made by Crapple Computer, run by STeve Nobs. |
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| 21:49.44 | JeffH | haha |
| 21:49.46 | Guerin | ;) |
| 21:49.51 | valdyn | j777m: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on a pastebin |
| 21:49.58 | xand | Guerin: OS X uses cups for its printing system |
| 21:50.02 | bare_boobs | how do I setup LAMP with python? |
| 21:50.04 | Guerin | xand: ah, bravo |
| 21:50.09 | JeffH | Guerin: prolly.. but I'm on a laptop.. don't want to have to direct connect my printer just to print. |
| 21:50.11 | j777m | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/606481 |
| 21:50.15 | simonrvn | Guerin: you can actually, os x is just netbsd with a fancy ui and crap below that (java vm, quartz or whatever they call it, and some other shite) |
| 21:50.27 | xand | JeffH: OS X uses CUPS to print... so does linux... tis easy |
| 21:50.38 | bare_boobs | osx run from it! |
| 21:50.41 | bare_boobs | run!! |
| 21:50.45 | xand | no. |
| 21:50.45 | bare_boobs | mac is the great satan |
| 21:50.46 | Guerin | JeffH: if osx uses cups it should be entirely automatic once you set up cups on your linux box - cups can be told to broadcast its presence on the network |
| 21:50.47 | bare_boobs | ! |
| 21:50.57 | valdyn | j777m: i see testing there, have you even properly upgraded to testing yet? |
| 21:50.58 | JeffH | xand: good.. I like that answer. |
| 21:50.58 | Muisje | Stop these OS wars... |
| 21:51.02 | geo-rge | bare_boobs: is there any way I can talk you into trying a different approach? mysql -sucks-, it doesn't help you protect your data |
| 21:51.04 | Guerin | Muisje: never! |
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| 21:51.17 | bare_boobs | no no, p = postgresql for me in lamp |
| 21:51.19 | Muisje | #debian is not the place to discuss them... |
| 21:51.21 | geo-rge | php isn't general enough |
| 21:51.22 | xand | mysql is fine |
| 21:51.29 | Guerin | bare_boobs: what's the m, then? |
| 21:51.34 | bare_boobs | I like 1 postgresql 2 firebird 3 mysql |
| 21:51.35 | j777m | valdyn: hold on I may have shown you the wrong link |
| 21:51.36 | xand | bare_boobs: what does m stand for then? |
| 21:51.40 | bare_boobs | uh |
| 21:51.40 | geo-rge | mammories |
| 21:51.47 | Guerin | ... |
| 21:51.51 | xand | moobs? |
| 21:52.31 | xand | uhoh |
| 21:52.33 | valdyn | j777m: stable works beautifully, just know how. Don't upgrade to testing for no very good reason anyway |
| 21:52.37 | geo-rge | bare_boobs: for example... would you like to build a site like scorecard.org or greenpeace.org? |
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| 21:52.59 | stew | i want to build a site like zombo.com but on mysql |
| 21:53.17 | Supaplex | !postgresql |
| 21:53.17 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. be sure to read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ('First steps for the impatient'). |
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| 21:53.34 | stew | i would guess it is possible, on zombo.com |
| 21:54.32 | geo-rge | howbout a site like photo.net |
| 21:55.17 | valdyn | what's the point in mysql anyway? the proprietary backends? |
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| 21:56.01 | geo-rge | if you feel you have a proprietary backend, just wear underpants |
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| 21:56.32 | Guerin | geo-rge: security by obscurity is never the answer |
| 21:56.58 | frankr | Hi I'm in amd64 and I'm installing a package which requires ia32-libs - libwine and wine - and it installed and runs because I have a 32bit chroot already in /emul/ia32-linux however ia32libs couldn't actually install b/c the files already exist. Wine runs fine however I can't install anything b/c it thinks there are unmet dependencies; is there any way I can fool dpkg into thinking ia32-libs is installed? |
| 21:56.59 | geo-rge | it's a high-maintainance answer |
| 21:57.15 | JeffH | are there any good tools available to document/capture system configuration changes? |
| 21:57.24 | valdyn | frankr: dont do this |
| 21:57.26 | geo-rge | cvs? |
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| 21:57.29 | bare_boobs | scorecarD? |
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| 21:57.31 | bare_boobs | uh |
| 21:57.44 | geo-rge | scorecard.org, yes. |
| 21:57.49 | valdyn | frankr: move your chroot, let debian handle debian stuff |
| 21:58.03 | delliott | I agree with Guerin that security by obscurity is essential a mean to an end. |
| 21:58.05 | eyeris | Does courier-authlib-mysql use a different conf dir than the previous courier-authmysql? |
| 21:58.13 | frankr | sigh alright |
| 21:58.15 | valdyn | frankr: there's no benefit but a few saved diskspace and alot of hassle in it for you |
| 21:58.16 | Guerin | frankr: you could use equivs, but it's still not clear to me why the files are already present from the chroot - the chroot should be a separate location? |
| 21:58.26 | j777m | valdyn: I am very sorry here it is http://pastebin.ca/606514 |
| 21:58.34 | geo-rge | if you have a means to the end, they might as well be naked |
| 21:58.53 | frankr | Guerin, I just kinda stuck it somewhere, not realizing that ia32-libs attempts to install in the same dir |
| 21:59.15 | valdyn | j777m: http://pastebin.ca/606515, i added what you need to add |
| 21:59.35 | eyeris | After upgrading etch to courier-authlib-mysql, I set DEBUG_LOGIN=2 in /etc/courier/authdaemonrc but the passwords aren't dumped to syslog |
| 21:59.39 | j777m | valdyn: thankyou very much. what should I do now? |
| 21:59.52 | valdyn | j777m: you added that to your sources.list? |
| 22:00.40 | j777m | valdyn: yes |
| 22:00.44 | frankr | Huh.. I moved my chroot from /emul/ia32-linux to /emul/sid32 but ia32-libs still can't unpack |
| 22:00.46 | frankr | with the same error |
| 22:00.47 | frankr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:01.20 | frankr | how can I restart that package install? maybe it thinks it created that dir already b/c it was there before |
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| 22:02.14 | valdyn | j777m: ok: run these commands: aptitude update; aptitude install fakeroot;apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx |
| 22:02.18 | neilv | has anyone noticed apt strangeness today under "testing"? such as you do an "apt-get dist-upgrade -d -y", it downloads 217 packages, then you do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it claims 0 packages need upgrading? |
| 22:02.51 | Bogus8 | do we have a "seen" bot in here? |
| 22:02.52 | bare_boobs | whats scorecard? |
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| 22:03.16 | streuner | Bogus8: sure |
| 22:03.33 | streuner | Bogus8: /msg dpkg see <some-nick> |
| 22:03.41 | Bogus8 | streuner: cool |
| 22:03.41 | streuner | s/see/seen/ |
| 22:04.13 | j777m | valdyn: ok, that is done |
| 22:04.13 | Bogus8 | streuner: cool, thanks a bunch |
| 22:04.34 | Guerin | frankr: move it. |
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| 22:04.44 | streuner | Bogus8: np |
| 22:04.46 | pickcoder | frankr: recreate the ia32-linux dir |
| 22:05.08 | valdyn | j777m: ok, run, not as root, probably in a new directory: 'fakeroot apt-get -b source nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx' |
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| 22:05.29 | Guerin | woah, i'm behind the times |
| 22:05.32 | frankr | I did apt-get clean; apt-get install ia32-libs and got the same error, so I created /emul/ia32-linux and got the same error |
| 22:05.34 | x_link | Is there any program like Super Pi for Linux? |
| 22:05.40 | x_link | With GUI. |
| 22:06.14 | valdyn | Guerin: concerning nvidia quitting support for even more older cards? |
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| 22:06.36 | Guerin | valdyn: no, concerning not reading the backscroll properly |
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| 22:06.36 | frankr | I made a couple of the directories it was trying to unpack files to like /emul/ia32-linux/lib and usr/lib but now its having this error unable to create `./emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
| 22:06.43 | frankr | and that directory is created |
| 22:06.56 | frankr | russ-pc-debian:/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib# |
| 22:07.13 | Guerin | frankr: the . at the start - find out exactly where it's trying to create the files |
| 22:07.29 | valdyn | frankr: just create the directories manually, for this |
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| 22:07.37 | Guerin | valdyn: he did |
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| 22:07.45 | frankr | ahh how might I figure that out? |
| 22:07.50 | frankr | I haven't a clue where its putting em |
| 22:08.11 | j777m | valdyn: alright. that is done. It doesn't matter where I put the files does it? |
| 22:08.12 | Guerin | frankr: i don't suppose dpkg -L will give you anything? |
| 22:08.15 | bomba__ | hello, how can i use reiser4 in /etc/fstab? when i write reiser4, mount -a says: unknown filesystemtype "reiser4" |
| 22:08.24 | valdyn | j777m: right |
| 22:08.34 | Guerin | bomba__: does your kernel support it (the answer seems to be `no') |
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| 22:08.39 | valdyn | j777m: now these packages are the new nvidia driver that you need. |
| 22:08.39 | pickcoder | emul is in / |
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| 22:08.49 | frankr | Guerin, russ-pc-debian:/# dpkg -L ia32-linux Package `ia32-linux' is not installed. |
| 22:08.49 | bomba__ | Guerin, i dont know .. the "standard" kernel ..:) |
| 22:08.55 | valdyn | j777m: which are you using right now? |
| 22:09.06 | Guerin | bomba__: which has never, and very likely will never support ricer4 |
| 22:09.07 | j777m | valdyn: how do I find this out? |
| 22:09.13 | x_link | valdyn: You don't know any benchmark program for Linux right? |
| 22:09.17 | Guerin | since the lead dev is in prison on murder charges |
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| 22:09.22 | bomba__ | Guerin, this is my first debian install, i use normally gentoo |
| 22:09.22 | pickcoder | frankr: does root.root own /emul/ and all subdirs |
| 22:09.29 | abrotman | bomba__: last i knew .. reiser4 was still experimental |
| 22:09.33 | Guerin | bomba__: that explains matters. |
| 22:09.37 | valdyn | j777m: 'grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf' should list either nv or nvidia in one line |
| 22:09.42 | gber | could somebody give me hint on where to find the lifetime of debian releases, specifically sarge? |
| 22:09.49 | abrotman | !release history |
| 22:09.50 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-03-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 22:09.52 | Guerin | bomba__: your options are: use another filesystem, or build yourself a reiser4 kernel |
| 22:09.54 | ozzloy | how do i use exim to send email from my computer? |
| 22:10.03 | valdyn | j777m: or vesa actually, tell me what you find |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | gber: or you mean the supported lifetime ? |
| 22:10.27 | gber | yes |
| 22:10.28 | Guerin | ozzloy: echo "this is an email" |mailx -s "subject" foo@bar.com |
| 22:10.29 | MangosDebian | hey guys |
| 22:10.37 | valdyn | x_link: benchmark for what? |
| 22:10.45 | pocukrani | help me! when i install apache2 i don`t have in /etc/apache2/ apache2.conf |
| 22:10.58 | Guerin | i used reiser4 for nine months back in 2004 or so, and it seemed quite stable |
| 22:11.01 | abrotman | gber: usually about one year after the next version is released .. so etch was released in march .. so the idea is that sarge will be supported until early next year |
| 22:11.02 | x_link | valdyn: CPU/RAM. |
| 22:11.19 | frankr | pickcoder, yes, but I ran a chown -R root:root emul to make sure, then ran apt-get install ia32-libs, and same error |
| 22:11.22 | valdyn | Guerin: its pretty good again |
| 22:11.23 | Guerin | no data loss despite being on a flakey circuit and losing power ~1-2 times a week |
| 22:11.45 | j777m | valdyn: it says 'Driver "nvidia"' |
| 22:12.04 | valdyn | j777m: dpkg -l nvidia-glx | tail -1 |
| 22:12.04 | Guerin | pocukrani: read /usr/share/doc/apache2/* |
| 22:12.17 | pocukrani | Guerin, ok |
| 22:12.20 | Guerin | frankr: weird. |
| 22:12.23 | gber | abrotman: ok thanks, is there an official page on debian.org with a date? i tried googling but couldn't find anything |
| 22:12.30 | Guerin | !releases |
| 22:12.30 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 22:13.34 | pickcoder | frankr: did you try apt-get install by itself |
| 22:13.39 | frankr | Guerin, yeah, and I've had this problem before, which is why I originally asked if I could fool apt-get into thinking ia32-libs was installed |
| 22:13.39 | abrotman | gber: not that i'm aware of .. you could contact the security team if you'd like |
| 22:13.44 | valdyn | j777m: let me know what they output is |
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| 22:13.56 | JeffH | Is there a way to see what usb devices are detected? |
| 22:13.58 | frankr | pickcoder, it says unmet dependencies, that libwine requires ia32-libs |
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| 22:14.09 | gber | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 22:14.18 | Guerin | frankr: well, you can - using equivs - but it'll probably mean pain later |
| 22:14.19 | abrotman | gber: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 22:14.30 | Deep6 | anyone know if you can use tune2fs to reduce the size of the reserved blocks on a mounted fs? |
| 22:14.56 | pickcoder | frankr: I think your chroot contained files from other installs |
| 22:15.06 | frankr | pickcoder, other installs of what? |
| 22:15.15 | pickcoder | I think the install script is trying to symlin the GL lib |
| 22:15.17 | Guerin | pocukrani: he knows it did, that's why he removed it. And now it fails for a different reason. |
| 22:15.21 | pickcoder | but it's not there anymore |
| 22:15.26 | pickcoder | and it's not part of the package |
| 22:15.36 | pickcoder | that's my best guess |
| 22:15.38 | j777m | valdyn: 'ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver' |
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| 22:16.09 | valdyn | j777m: ok, you need to remove your currenly installed nvidia packages and install the 3 debs that you compiled just before |
| 22:16.11 | frankr | pickcoder, this makes sense, however if its a 32-bit gl lib, what other install would it be part of? |
| 22:16.37 | pickcoder | frankr: I don't know |
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| 22:16.47 | valdyn | j777m: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" should list all packages that you need to remove |
| 22:16.59 | pickcoder | try copying the error specific files one by one |
| 22:17.07 | valdyn | j777m: and the newly created debs you install with 'dpkg -i *.deb' after that |
| 22:17.07 | pickcoder | maybe it's only a few |
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| 22:18.08 | JeffH | where does debian put the kernel modules? |
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| 22:18.20 | Guerin | JeffH: /lib/modules/uname -r |
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| 22:18.29 | JeffH | thanks |
| 22:18.40 | streuner | damn Guerin, you are fast today :-) |
| 22:18.47 | Guerin | i just made coffee |
| 22:18.50 | Guerin | cofffeeee |
| 22:18.55 | Guerin | i tells ya |
| 22:19.07 | MangosDebian | stew: you around? |
| 22:19.20 | streuner | !tell MangosDebian about ask |
| 22:19.32 | Guerin | when you formerly drank ~10 esprersso per day, then take three years off, then start drinking coffee again, you become a lightweight |
| 22:19.52 | MangosDebian | streuner: geez, thanks ;) |
| 22:20.06 | Guerin | one strong coffee and I'm anyone's, whereas in the past it would barely keep me awake |
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| 22:21.00 | MangosDebian | abrotman: hhmmm, busy? |
| 22:21.01 | JeffH | isn't there a usb printer module that needs to be loaded? |
| 22:21.24 | streuner | udev should do that for you |
| 22:21.32 | zinx | JeffH: i don't think many printers work with the standard usb printer driver |
| 22:21.48 | streuner | JeffH: CUPS? |
| 22:21.54 | Guerin | JeffH: usblp is needed, though |
| 22:22.23 | abrotman | MangosDebian: eh ? |
| 22:22.24 | valdyn | j777m: let me know when you;re done with that part |
| 22:22.27 | j777m | valdyn: i remove them by apt-get remove 'name' right? |
| 22:22.33 | MangosDebian | abrotman: incoming /notice |
| 22:22.34 | JeffH | I'm installing hpoj and it couldn't find my usb printer.. trying to figure out if I'm missing a module it needs or something to be able to detect it. |
| 22:22.43 | abrotman | MangosDebian: incoming spam ? |
| 22:22.49 | zinx | JeffH: is it listed in lsusb? |
| 22:22.51 | valdyn | j777m: yea |
| 22:22.52 | MangosDebian | abrotman: you get that? |
| 22:22.59 | abrotman | MangosDebian: sure .. but why do i want it ? |
| 22:23.25 | MangosDebian | abrotman: ive found it useful, thought i would share |
| 22:23.27 | JeffH | sort of.. just says 'Hewlett Packard' nothing about it being a printer. |
| 22:23.36 | abrotman | MangosDebian: oh .. i thought you wanted to show me logs :) |
| 22:23.46 | MangosDebian | oh no hehe, its a url |
| 22:23.49 | zinx | JeffH: that's fine then.. do you have CUPS installed? |
| 22:24.04 | MangosDebian | besides, anyone with a browser can google those |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | MangosDebian: no .. i meant based on the filename |
| 22:24.26 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well i could have renamed it heh |
| 22:24.39 | JeffH | not yet.. from what I remember about getting this printer working several years ago I need to install and configure hpoj.. hm.. actually.. maybe that was just to get the scanner portion working. |
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| 22:24.58 | zinx | JeffH: you will probably need cups to get the printer portion working |
| 22:24.58 | Guerin | JeffH: cups has gotten several orders of magnitude better in the past years |
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| 22:25.15 | JeffH | zinx: I know.. |
| 22:25.19 | Guerin | JeffH: what printer? HP are very well supportedf (they employ people to write cups drivers) |
| 22:25.23 | abrotman | Guerin: it was easy to get better from "crap" :) |
| 22:25.25 | zinx | JeffH: install it, and go to http://localhost:631/ to configure it, probably adding it (using usb as the port) |
| 22:25.30 | Guerin | abrotman: sure was ;) |
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| 22:25.34 | MangosDebian | peterS: im looking in your direction for what i sent abrotman as well if your around |
| 22:25.41 | JeffH | Guerin: the K60 AIO |
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| 22:25.47 | Guerin | never heard of it |
| 22:25.52 | streuner | JeffH: most multifunctional devices arent well supported |
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| 22:25.54 | JeffH | an old all-in-one. |
| 22:26.04 | Preto1ab | hello everyone |
| 22:26.05 | JeffH | streuner: I just want to print. |
| 22:26.12 | MangosDebian | Preto1ab: hello |
| 22:26.15 | streuner | JeffH: check out linuxprinting.org |
| 22:26.26 | j777m | valdyn: when doing 'apt-get remove nvidia-glx' i got an error 'cannot remove /usr/lib/libGL.so' - no such file or directory |
| 22:26.32 | Preto1ab | i am having trouble booting Debain 4.0 - getting an error with initramfs |
| 22:26.34 | abrotman | Guerin: it's hot! |
| 22:26.35 | streuner | well, if a driver doesnt exist, its hard to print |
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| 22:26.52 | Preto1ab | it says /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 22:26.53 | valdyn | j777m: oh umm, did you play with the installer from nvidia.com ever? |
| 22:26.59 | JeffH | I've gotten this working in the past... |
| 22:27.09 | Preto1ab | i tried a few things from reading up on the Net but it still keeps happening |
| 22:27.11 | pickcoder | abrotman: sure |
| 22:27.14 | MangosDebian | abrotman: funny, always though /notice was a ctcp. wasnt sure if ppl been getting those |
| 22:27.18 | abrotman | pickcoder: you didn't ask for the mahcine specs |
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| 22:27.27 | j777m | valdyn: no, I just installed debian yesterday |
| 22:27.33 | valdyn | j777m: ok |
| 22:27.38 | pickcoder | abrotman: you didn't specify that you had to complete it |
| 22:27.42 | valdyn | j777m: i think the package should have removed itself anyway |
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| 22:27.49 | valdyn | j777m: and you can ignore that error for now |
| 22:27.51 | abrotman | pickcoder: well .. it is a fileserver .. seems like it'd be a good idea :) |
| 22:27.55 | Preto1ab | the only way i have found to get round this is by turning the machine off and then on again - i get the error everytime i try to rboot |
| 22:28.26 | j777m | valdyn: i redid the command you told me to view what is installed, and it is still listed. Should I just move on and ignore? |
| 22:28.46 | valdyn | j777m: its listed, yes, but there's 2 letters in that line that describe the state |
| 22:28.47 | pickcoder | abrotman: nah.. leave it partially configured and then beg for a new server because that one broke |
| 22:29.00 | j777m | valdyn: 'rc' |
| 22:29.02 | Preto1ab | any ideas guys - is this a common issue ? |
| 22:29.09 | valdyn | j777m: your state should be 'rc' ( r for removed, c for configuration files left untouched ) |
| 22:29.29 | valdyn | j777m: fine.. |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | Preto1ab: you mena on a warm boot .. it dies .. and a cold boot it works ? |
| 22:29.36 | j777m | valdyn: okay i'll keep going |
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| 22:29.40 | Preto1ab | yes abrotman exactly |
| 22:30.04 | Preto1ab | a warm boot leads to busybox and cold successfulyl boots system |
| 22:30.06 | pocukrani | Guerin, and in apache2/sites-available/ i don`t have default conf |
| 22:30.10 | misreckoning | what do we, debian users, should think about launchpad? (*smiling*) |
| 22:30.15 | abrotman | Preto1ab: you may want to try turning off acpi or apic |
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| 22:30.23 | abrotman | misreckoning: wrong channel |
| 22:30.33 | Preto1ab | why abrotman ? |
| 22:30.46 | misreckoning | eh sorry |
| 22:30.47 | abrotman | Preto1ab: just something to try .. |
| 22:30.48 | Guerin | pocukrani: i've never run apache2 on debian, so I can only refer you to the doc. I do know that the apache people *hate* debian's config setup. |
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| 22:31.02 | Preto1ab | any reasoning abrotman? |
| 22:31.02 | misreckoning | am I now in the right channel? |
| 22:31.10 | pocukrani | :/ |
| 22:31.44 | Guerin | misreckoning: launchpad trolls are offtopic here. To answer your question, debian doesn't tend to concern itself with stupid proprietary shite, so it's not really a concern. |
| 22:31.48 | geo-rge | Preto1ab: perhaps there is reasoning available thru the searching of google.com? |
| 22:32.05 | misreckoning | Guerin: thats what I thought :P :) |
| 22:32.16 | Preto1ab | being a Debian user yourself - do you nto think i deserve the decency to assume i have already looked on Google |
| 22:32.16 | abrotman | Preto1ab: acpi and apic sometimes cause trouble with some devices in the mahcine .. especially not shutting off correctly |
| 22:32.40 | geo-rge | what's launchpad? what |
| 22:32.41 | Preto1ab | i will certainly give it a try abrotman - but what might those services be used for ? |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | Preto1ab: for example, i have a wifi card that won't disable when i reboot .. |
| 22:32.46 | j777m | valdyn: okay, everything has 'rc' next to it now |
| 22:32.48 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 22:32.48 | dpkg | it has been said that acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
| 22:32.49 | geo-rge | is a launchpad troll |
| 22:32.49 | abrotman | !apic |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | somebody said apic was an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
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| 22:33.21 | valdyn | j777m: now install the new debs, in a single command line like 'dpkg -i nvidia*.deb' |
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| 22:34.20 | valdyn | uh, what's 'newer? |
| 22:34.21 | Preto1ab | rebooting |
| 22:34.24 | valdyn | 2000? |
| 22:35.26 | markit | I've issued an aptitude --purge remove xawtv, but dpkg -l shows it in "rc" state, how can I have it removed? |
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| 22:36.01 | valdyn | markit: aptitude doesnt know --purge, its 'aptitude purge xawtv' |
| 22:36.10 | markit | oh :( |
| 22:36.27 | markit | thanks a lot valdyn, wondering why did not showd an error message |
| 22:36.37 | alexIdoia | I need to add an new drive into my fstab, I have partionned it formated it into xfs and now I am not sure how to set the fstab, I have read the doc but the <file system> bit is unclear to me |
| 22:36.38 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well, without going into detail here, that something worth spreading? was a little leary (when you get a chance) |
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| 22:36.41 | JeffH | so to configure cups it says to browse to http://localhost:631 but I don't have a monitor on that machine.. can I configure it from a different machine? |
| 22:36.51 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i could tell if you i were currently using irssi |
| 22:37.17 | valdyn | JeffH: no, not by default |
| 22:37.32 | JeffH | guess I can install lynx. |
| 22:37.37 | MangosDebian | abrotman: ahh, let me guess, xchat? |
| 22:37.38 | valdyn | JeffH: but you can log into that machine via ssh and run a webbrowser locally |
| 22:37.46 | abrotman | MangosDebian: on a matter of principle .. i'm offended it only works with mysql :) |
| 22:37.59 | abrotman | MangosDebian: i'm at work .. win32 xchat :) |
| 22:38.05 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i know, lol. been meaning to change that |
| 22:38.05 | valdyn | JeffH: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf defines access control too |
| 22:38.20 | alexIdoia | if I take example of the two other disks I have mounted I have something like UUID=c745e5a9-3e1e-4da9-b0f6-6162af200294 for <file system> |
| 22:38.28 | abrotman | MangosDebian: you could submit it sf.net |
| 22:38.29 | MangosDebian | abrotman: i use sqlyog in windows though so it was handy. didnt have pgadmin installed or I would have |
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| 22:38.36 | alexIdoia | that is why I am not sure what to put for the drive I want to add to the fstab |
| 22:38.56 | valdyn | alexIdoia: that's not a filesystem |
| 22:39.04 | alexIdoia | what is not |
| 22:39.10 | MangosDebian | abrotman: well, not sure how much of a use people would have for it. but with all the indexes and ref integrity in it, you would be amazed how fast selects are |
| 22:39.19 | abrotman | MangosDebian: couldn't you have used the uhm .. DBI thingie in perl ? |
| 22:39.25 | MangosDebian | abrotman: 1000% speed over flat file |
| 22:39.31 | valdyn | alexIdoia: uh, nevermnid, fstabs descriptions are fucked up, for them it's a fs |
| 22:39.40 | geo-rge | not is the opposite of not not |
| 22:39.49 | j777m | valdyn: i just keep getting errors http://pastebin.ca/606554 |
| 22:40.02 | abrotman | this is the one dist-upgrade i've been dreading .. good thing i did at 630pm on a friday .. .. dumbass |
| 22:40.05 | MangosDebian | abrotman: thats what I did use. i just made it in another .pm so I can reuse it for other db stuff |
| 22:40.13 | alexIdoia | so any idea how do I have /dev/sdb1 to it ? |
| 22:40.17 | valdyn | j777m: that's why i said to do it in one command "dpkg -i *.deb" |
| 22:40.18 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:40.21 | alexIdoia | or did I just answer my question there ? |
| 22:40.26 | pickcoder | abrotman: you don't trust aptitude? |
| 22:40.29 | geo-rge | alexIdoia: what kind of filesystem is on /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:40.37 | alexIdoia | geo-rge: xfs |
| 22:40.43 | tomaw | MangosDebian: erm, hi? |
| 22:40.46 | j777m | valdyn: oh, duh that makes more sense...hold on |
| 22:41.00 | geo-rge | is that your /? |
| 22:41.02 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes .. i don't trust samba :) |
| 22:41.41 | geo-rge | does xfs and grub legacy play nice together yet? |
| 22:41.49 | alexIdoia | geo-rge: no not at all it is a third disk wich will serve as an archiving storage |
| 22:42.06 | alexIdoia | they looks alright to me :) |
| 22:42.08 | geo-rge | is it empty right now? |
| 22:42.33 | j777m | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/606557 |
| 22:42.47 | alexIdoia | geo-rge: yes I just partitioned and formated it |
| 22:42.55 | valdyn | !info dpatch etch |
| 22:42.57 | dpkg | dpatch: (patch maintenance system for Debian source packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.0.21 (etch), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 22:43.07 | valdyn | j777m: aptitude install dpatch |
| 22:43.08 | geo-rge | what you -might- want to try... is making it an lvm pv to start with |
| 22:43.22 | alexIdoia | geo-rge: a what ? |
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| 22:44.02 | geo-rge | physical volume (pv) operating in a lvm (logical volume management) system |
| 22:44.09 | alexIdoia | geo-rge: ? can you explain a bit further ? |
| 22:44.12 | pickcoder | weekend time |
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| 22:44.32 | geo-rge | basically it lets you create multiple vols you can mount wherever, and you can resize them on the fly |
| 22:44.37 | Preto1ab | hello everyone again |
| 22:44.44 | Preto1ab | just back to thanks abrotman |
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| 22:44.49 | FileNotFound | hi |
| 22:45.00 | cat | Hi FileNotFound |
| 22:45.14 | valdyn | j777m: soso? |
| 22:45.18 | alexIdoia | geo-rge: I don't necessarily that, all I need is to have it mounted at startup with write/read permissions on it |
| 22:45.19 | FileNotFound | was wondering if someone could help me with a iptables question |
| 22:45.28 | Preto1ab | seems you were right - i disabled acpid and rebooted - it came straight back up |
| 22:45.51 | cafuego | FileNotFound: only if you ask the question |
| 22:46.03 | abrotman | Preto1ab: that's not a great thing .. but at least it reboots :) |
| 22:46.06 | geo-rge | FileNotFound: #networking, #iptables, #netfilter |
| 22:46.16 | geo-rge | if you dn'[t get an answer here |
| 22:46.19 | Preto1ab | ok so abrotmanhow about helping me setup nfs |
| 22:46.30 | abrotman | nfs or ntfs ? |
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| 22:46.34 | Preto1ab | nfs |
| 22:46.38 | j777m | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/606562 sorry this is so much trouble |
| 22:46.47 | abrotman | there are two NFS servers in etch IIRC |
| 22:46.49 | FileNotFound | i have ser up a gateway which runs web and a few other things i want to give the world access to i can fwd ports to other computers but how do i just open a port on the gateway |
| 22:46.59 | abrotman | one kernel , one server .. they each have different issues IIRC |
| 22:47.14 | geo-rge | Preto1ab: read up on the subject first... start by answering the questions "what is needed before I can run nfs on the server and the client?" |
| 22:47.29 | Preto1ab | i have added /media/western 192.168.11.4/24(rw,root_squash) to my /etc/exports file and ALL:192.168.11.4 to my hosts.allow file |
| 22:47.33 | abrotman | damn it jim! |
| 22:47.42 | valdyn | j777m: that's perfectly fine. That error is temprorary |
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| 22:47.54 | valdyn | j777m: is module-assistant installed? |
| 22:47.56 | Preto1ab | man acpid |
| 22:48.03 | abrotman | close |
| 22:48.03 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: you know its funny, the lvm from sarge iirc used to auto run resize2fs automagically for you. now you gotta run it manually :( |
| 22:48.12 | j777m | valdyn: how can I find out? |
| 22:48.14 | eguzkia | please someone want try to ping here: 213.230.130.56 |
| 22:48.34 | eguzkia | i need to try my defences |
| 22:48.39 | geo-rge | MangosDebian: hmm,,, if that capability existed, maybe you can find out how to get it back |
| 22:48.43 | abrotman | so you stopped ping ? |
| 22:48.44 | Guerin | eguzkia: WTF |
| 22:48.47 | abrotman | and it's defenses |
| 22:48.59 | eguzkia | WTF what is |
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| 22:49.01 | valdyn | j777m: dpkg -l module-assistant | tail -1 |
| 22:49.08 | cafuego | FileNotFound: You can add rules on the server to DNAT traffic to certain ports, using the PREROUTING table in the nat chain. |
| 22:49.12 | abrotman | "I stopped ping, i'll never get hacked ... " |
| 22:49.15 | Guerin | eguzkia: why do you think a ping will `test your defences'? |
| 22:49.23 | Guerin | abrotman: he didn't stop ping |
| 22:49.26 | streuner | eguzkia: use netcraft.com or geektools.com or whatever |
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| 22:49.37 | Guerin | use nmap and nessus |
| 22:49.41 | cafuego | FileNotFound: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-6.html |
| 22:49.57 | eguzkia | in my society there are problem ant you hear |
| 22:50.01 | j777m | valdyn: it said no matching packages |
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| 22:50.08 | FileNotFound | thatx cafuego |
| 22:50.09 | Guerin | eguzkia: in your brain there are problem |
| 22:50.09 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: i dug around. its to do with the wrapper script they used iirc. just needs to pass this max sector to the command. wouldnt be too hard of a fix, but im sure it was removed for a reason. besides, you just need to fsck the lv and resize2fs on it once and it grows to max anyways. but shrinking was hella lot easier before |
| 22:50.16 | misreckoning | has anybody here experienced some trouble with starting Warsow on Debian, with ATi ? |
| 22:50.19 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 22:50.22 | eguzkia | Guerin want you try to do nmap |
| 22:50.25 | geo-rge | he didn't stopping... he ran into the treeing... his head is was a hurtting... all cause he did isn't stopping |
| 22:50.30 | Guerin | eguzkia: no. |
| 22:50.31 | valdyn | j777m: ok, 'aptitude install module-assistant' ( let it remove or whatever some nvidia packages if it wants to - no problem ) |
| 22:50.44 | eguzkia | Guerin listen to me |
| 22:50.54 | streuner | eguzkia: no, listen to us |
| 22:50.54 | misreckoning | I'm trying to fix my problem in warsow channel for hours but with no success, the game complains about Xinerama - what can xinerama have with a game !? |
| 22:50.58 | Guerin | eguzkia: i can't hear you because you're on a different continent |
| 22:51.05 | MangosDebian | cafuego: heya |
| 22:51.13 | eguzkia | Guerin: :) |
| 22:51.27 | eguzkia | 300 users on a proxy |
| 22:51.49 | geo-rge | that's too much if it were doxy? |
| 22:52.00 | j777m | valdyn: okay, that is done. Now should I install dpatch or dpkg -i *.deb |
| 22:52.09 | eguzkia | someone use a python proxy to pass beyond this proxy |
| 22:52.18 | valdyn | j777m: install dpatch |
| 22:52.36 | Guerin | eguzkia: go and ask people on DALnet to try and hax0r you |
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| 22:52.57 | valdyn | j777m: uh, dpatch should already be installed.. |
| 22:52.58 | misreckoning | OK at least tell me this, locate libGL returns many different files - which one is the "right" (fglrx) one ? |
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| 22:53.16 | misreckoning | /usr/lib/libGL.so ? |
| 22:53.19 | Guerin | !htfswk misreckoning |
| 22:53.19 | dpkg | misreckoning: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 22:53.25 | Guerin | misreckoning: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:53.48 | valdyn | j777m: now to use module-assistant and install the nvidia kernel module, run: "m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx" |
| 22:54.11 | j777m | valdyn: okay, it said 0 upgraded, 0 installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded |
| 22:54.11 | misreckoning | Guerin: you are not very helpful, please don't piss me off, I don't have anything against you, so ... stay away, please, I'm giving my best to explain what is the problem. OK ? |
| 22:54.24 | valdyn | j777m: that's fine |
| 22:54.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:54.38 | jipp | is anyone familiar with the reason why oscommerce fails on step2 of the install? |
| 22:54.40 | Guerin | misreckoning: the problem is that you're using proprietary shite and asking for support in a free software channel. Ask #fglrx, if it exists, or #ati. |
| 22:54.40 | j777m | valdyn: yea I didn't see what you said. Hold on a sec |
| 22:55.00 | misreckoning | Guerin: right, right, libGL is proprietary? |
| 22:55.04 | jipp | I have register_globals = On and register_long_arrays = On as requested |
| 22:55.08 | Guerin | misreckoning: fglrx is. |
| 22:55.08 | misreckoning | Guerin: and what if it is from Mesa? |
| 22:55.09 | cafuego | FileNotFound: You probably also need to add rules to the INPUT table to allow said traffic from the wan to the lan. To open ports for services on the router itself, you only need to add rules to the INPUT table. |
| 22:55.19 | Guerin | misreckoning: that's not what you're asking about. |
| 22:55.21 | misreckoning | Guerin: yeah Windows is too, and airplanes fly high |
| 22:55.29 | abrotman | some of them ... |
| 22:55.32 | Guerin | misreckoning: yep. And neither of those are supported in #debian either. |
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| 22:55.37 | misreckoning | Guerin: ok enough :) |
| 22:55.49 | Guerin | just so you know that i'm not hatin' on you personally. |
| 22:55.56 | abrotman | he hates everyone equally |
| 22:56.04 | streuner | haha |
| 22:56.07 | streuner | NO |
| 22:56.16 | Guerin | except zap-w |
| 22:56.17 | cafuego | except for Miti Rini. |
| 22:56.21 | misreckoning | well I'm pretty much the h8er so I can quite understand him |
| 22:56.21 | Guerin | he gets the special treatment |
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| 22:56.35 | stew | MangosDebian: hi |
| 22:56.36 | j777m | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/606577 |
| 22:56.45 | Guerin | cafuego: the stupid thing about that quote is that the minister in question isn't called Miti Rini at all. |
| 22:56.53 | MangosDebian | stew: heya. free for 2 seconds? |
| 22:57.00 | stew | yes |
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| 22:57.08 | FileNotFound | cafuego iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i $WAN -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.13.10:80 |
| 22:57.08 | FileNotFound | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 80 -i $WAN -j ACCEPT |
| 22:57.09 | abrotman | oh .. time's up! |
| 22:57.15 | FileNotFound | would that be right |
| 22:57.19 | Guerin | abrotman: pubtime! |
| 22:57.22 | cafuego | Guerin: Well, as a ringtone I can confirm it's *extremely* irritating, so you may want to start selling it as low quality snippet by advertising on tv at 1am ;-) |
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| 22:57.29 | abrotman | Guerin: that was last night .. and the dist-upgrade still isn't done |
| 22:57.32 | Guerin | cafuego: nice. |
| 22:57.36 | streuner | Guerin: wrong person, you mean asg :-) |
| 22:57.37 | valdyn | j777m: now do your 'dpkg *.deb' again |
| 22:57.42 | abrotman | cafuego is a ringtone ? |
| 22:57.43 | cafuego | FileNotFound: that looks fine, yup. |
| 22:57.54 | Guerin | streuner: are you saying abrotman doesn't pub? |
| 22:57.59 | streuner | abrotman: Riti Mini |
| 22:58.14 | Guerin | abrotman: feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader |
| 22:58.21 | streuner | abrotman: some radio crap which bores you much |
| 22:58.26 | Guerin | *much* |
| 22:58.35 | FileNotFound | there is my problem then i can use that rule to fwd ports or other machines but it wont work like that when i am fwding to the gateway its self |
| 22:58.46 | cafuego | talkback radio, the new national socialist party |
| 22:58.52 | streuner | Guerin: dunno |
| 22:58.52 | j777m | valdyn: it looks as though I got the same errors -cant process 'nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx' , 'nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx-dev' |
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| 22:59.03 | misreckoning | cafuego: somebody mentioned politics? |
| 22:59.11 | cafuego | FileNotFound: No, but for traffic to the gateway itself you don't need a forward rule. |
| 22:59.18 | cafuego | misreckoning: on #debian? doubtful. |
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| 22:59.25 | valdyn | j777m: right - i misread, so wrong instructions.. no big deal: just run 'apt-get -f install' |
| 22:59.27 | Guerin | misreckoning: See the url above. |
| 22:59.44 | misreckoning | cafuego: so lets keep it so :) |
| 22:59.48 | cafuego | FileNotFound: The problem is when you need services that use the same port on both the gateway and a box behind the gateway |
| 23:00.02 | FileNotFound | so if i remove this bit from the end --to 192.168.13.10:80 |
| 23:00.14 | xembrx | anyone here know much about the ipkungfu package? |
| 23:00.26 | Guerin | FileNotFound: the best tool I've found is to assign each box behind the gateway a list of ports they're allowed to use, and forward them all blindly |
| 23:00.33 | abrotman | no .. but any package that knows kungfu has to be awesome |
| 23:00.33 | j777m | valdyn: okay, now do dpkg -i *.deb again? |
| 23:00.35 | streuner | !find ipkungfu |
| 23:00.37 | dpkg | ipkungfu: (iptables-based Linux firewall), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 23:00.38 | cafuego | FileNotFound: if the web server runs on the gateway, you don't need a rule for nat / PREROUTING at all. |
| 23:00.40 | Guerin | FileNotFound: i find 100 ports per host is usually enough |
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| 23:00.58 | cafuego | FileNotFound: Then INPUT alone suffices. |
| 23:01.02 | valdyn | j777m: nope, rerun the m-a thing 'm-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx' |
| 23:01.23 | MangosDebian | FileNotFound: apt-get install shorewall? |
| 23:01.30 | FileNotFound | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 80 -i $WAN -j ACCEPT <<<< that wiull not open th eport either i have tried that |
| 23:01.59 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/32181 <- how can I fix that ? |
| 23:02.00 | FileNotFound | do you want to see the full script to make sure i havent got something else stopping it from working |
| 23:02.03 | xembrx | I'm not sure how to set up the "ip range" in the config for two subnets (list them both in the config?). It specifies for multiple nics but doesn' t say anything about the ip range |
| 23:02.04 | cafuego | FileNotFound: Odd, it certainly should. Ar you permitting RELATED,ESTABLISHED too? |
| 23:02.18 | FileNotFound | http://pastebin.ca/606567 yeah i think i am |
| 23:02.21 | blinx | dpkg-reconfigure locales => no effect |
| 23:03.29 | streuner | blinx: did you log out and back in? |
| 23:03.32 | j777m | valdyn: there was a module assistant error http://pastebin.ca/606580, it wants me to hit ok |
| 23:03.38 | cafuego | FileNotFound: The default policy isn't right, if that is on it will drop ALL traffic regardless of other rules. |
| 23:03.42 | blinx | streuner: it is every time |
| 23:04.02 | blinx | streuner: I made a debootstrap from u* edgy to debian etch |
| 23:04.16 | FileNotFound | but without that policy the firewall is not stealth |
| 23:04.25 | streuner | well, some packages are missing then... |
| 23:04.25 | FileNotFound | also the port fwd down the bottom works fine |
| 23:04.33 | j777m | valdyn: wow this is tougher than I thought |
| 23:04.45 | valdyn | j777m: aww, my bad i think, try: "nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx" |
| 23:04.58 | cafuego | FileNotFound: With it it's a broken filewall, you set the policy as 'iptables -P INPUT DROP' |
| 23:04.59 | valdyn | j777m: we're about done, nearly |
| 23:05.00 | streuner | debootstrap just convert, but it doesnt install auto all essential packages.. |
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| 23:05.16 | cafuego | FileNotFound: Otherwise it will not treat your other rules as exceptions, it will simply never process them. |
| 23:05.16 | blinx | streuner: so what packages I need? locales is installed ;-) |
| 23:05.17 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong .. it's just samba and cvs ... |
| 23:05.51 | streuner | blinx: How about to install of a netinstal-CD? |
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| 23:06.05 | blinx | streuner: no, the system is running |
| 23:06.12 | streuner | (less headaches) |
| 23:06.12 | blinx | only the error with the locale |
| 23:06.20 | abrotman | blinx: tried making a different locale your default ? |
| 23:06.27 | Guerin | FileNotFound: `stealt' is meaningless |
| 23:06.30 | blinx | abrotman: no, mom |
| 23:06.55 | Guerin | FileNotFound: it's a myth perpetrated by fear-and-ignorance security merchants who want you to buy their expensive firewall |
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| 23:07.22 | abrotman | blinx: ? |
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| 23:07.43 | j777m | valdyn: ok, everything appears to be ok....I think |
| 23:08.09 | MangosDebian | cafuego: did you just say that the policy being drop will ignore all other rules? |
| 23:08.16 | MangosDebian | or did i misread what you said |
| 23:08.17 | blinx | abrotman: I install first locales-all |
| 23:08.25 | blinx | then I will set en as default |
| 23:08.31 | geo-rge | blinx: ahh, so you're saying you can figure all this out yourself... ok :) |
| 23:08.34 | cafuego | MangosDebian: No, I said that rule will drop all traffic, it's not set with -P. |
| 23:08.39 | valdyn | j777m: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel-legacy" should list the package that was just installed by m-a |
| 23:08.44 | FileNotFound | thankyou cafuego its working now |
| 23:08.46 | blinx | geo-rge: I will see |
| 23:09.00 | MangosDebian | cafuego: ok, thought so. thought you were giving advice to use policy ACCEPT or something :) |
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| 23:09.04 | cafuego | FileNotFound: yay :-) |
| 23:09.22 | abrotman | oh look .. you made him happy! .. now he'll be prancing around all day |
| 23:09.40 | MangosDebian | FileNotFound: shorewall is very nice and hides the complexities if you ever feel like changing your setup fyi |
| 23:09.50 | valdyn | j777m: if that is there you can finally "dpkg -i *.deb" those nvidia debs and were done installing ( though not quite finished ) |
| 23:09.52 | FileNotFound | i think he made me happy i just couldnt figure out where i went wrong |
| 23:09.59 | geo-rge | yay! he'll actuyally go outside and not be on the computer! so he wont' be here! YAY! |
| 23:09.59 | cafuego | MangosDebian: But running a firewall you don't understand is dangerous. |
| 23:10.05 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/32182 dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:10.06 | blinx | hm |
| 23:10.15 | j777m | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/606589 |
| 23:10.18 | MangosDebian | cafuego: so are manual iptables rules |
| 23:10.32 | cafuego | MangosDebian: Often yes. |
| 23:10.39 | FileNotFound | MangosDebian, yeah i have read about that but i prefer to get my hands dirty i can useally figure stuff out sometimes i need a little help though |
| 23:10.40 | valdyn | j777m: perfect |
| 23:11.02 | cafuego | MangosDebian: With only 2 interfaces, it's dead easy to set up simple and effective rules. |
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| 23:11.04 | j777m | valdyn: okay I did dpkg and it worked |
| 23:11.35 | MangosDebian | FileNotFound: well, im not gonna try stop you. thats what i started on too, old hand made scripts. but i do rather like shorewall now. adds some many things that i just dont have time nor desire to script beyond simple 3 line iptables setups |
| 23:11.40 | Guerin | FileNotFound: http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt is a good start |
| 23:12.02 | FileNotFound | thanks i will have a read |
| 23:12.51 | MangosDebian | cafuego: very true. i just like all the extra goodies i get with shorewall. although the syntax is different its still got the same logic to it, almost like iptables translated to english |
| 23:13.21 | cafuego | Ah you lost me, I think english kind of sucks ;-) |
| 23:13.29 | blinx | locale-gen ;-) |
| 23:13.31 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 23:13.37 | cafuego | dutch is much nicer |
| 23:13.42 | xembrx | the two I've been tinkering with is arno-iptables-firewall and ipkungfu |
| 23:13.47 | abrotman | bork! |
| 23:13.56 | cafuego | abrotman: yes, and sveedish |
| 23:13.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:14.08 | valdyn | j777m: are you clear on how to get the old drivers back if these dont work out? |
| 23:14.17 | MangosDebian | cafuego: btw, your irssi right? (theres a reason i ask btw) |
| 23:14.30 | j777m | valdyn: errr not really |
| 23:14.34 | cafuego | MangosDebian: indeed |
| 23:14.45 | MangosDebian | cafuego: ahh excellent. spam ho! |
| 23:14.57 | cafuego | spam ho what! |
| 23:15.19 | valdyn | j777m: might want to write it down: "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)" |
| 23:15.29 | geo-rge | spam hoo? |
| 23:15.33 | j777m | valdyn: Im a dummy when it comes to linux. I just started. Im very knowledgeable in windows :) |
| 23:15.39 | MangosDebian | abrotman gets it heh |
| 23:15.40 | brainy_sexy_man | aptitude is NIC |
| 23:15.42 | brainy_sexy_man | NICE |
| 23:15.44 | brainy_sexy_man | :) |
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| 23:15.58 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: :þ |
| 23:16.03 | valdyn | j777m: uh, what we just did is quite advanced, most people do this totally wrong or not at all |
| 23:16.08 | Guerin | MangosDebian: inventive |
| 23:16.12 | j777m | valdyn: I will probably save this entire convo somewhere |
| 23:16.33 | valdyn | j777m: reboot and pray, or quit X, and modprobe -r nvidia, and start X |
| 23:16.33 | MangosDebian | Guerin: ? what i said or other? |
| 23:16.35 | geo-rge | j777m: start by looking at all the directories you have on your linux, and what seems to go where |
| 23:16.41 | Guerin | MangosDebian: :þ |
| 23:16.48 | MangosDebian | ahh ty :) |
| 23:16.53 | frankr | Guerin, I copied libGL.so.1 and libGL.so.1.2 from my chroot/usr/lib to my ia32-linux/usr/lib and it still has this error: unable to create `./emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2': No such file or directory |
| 23:16.56 | geo-rge | while you're doing that, learn the command line shell |
| 23:17.04 | MangosDebian | best tongue in the ascii set |
| 23:17.09 | frankr | I separated them and re-debootstrap'd the chroot |
| 23:17.13 | Guerin | frankr: that's whacked. Have you tried asking #debian-amd64? |
| 23:17.29 | geo-rge | MangosDebian: that's what she said... |
| 23:17.32 | frankr | Guerin, there's like 20 people in there and they never respond :| |
| 23:17.44 | Guerin | frankr: yeah, mostly in here now. |
| 23:17.46 | j777m | valdyn: what do you mean 'what seems to go where'? |
| 23:17.57 | valdyn | j777m: i didnt say that |
| 23:18.06 | geo-rge | j777m: I did |
| 23:18.37 | geo-rge | I'm just saying "start exploring" |
| 23:18.39 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 23:18.46 | j777m | valdyn: duh, im not even paying attention to who is talking to me. Im just looking at highlighting |
| 23:19.08 | j777m | valdyn: I guess i need to concentrate more |
| 23:19.23 | MangosDebian | abrotman NOOOOO! |
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| 23:20.19 | geo-rge | j777m: concentrating would be a good thing yes :) |
| 23:20.21 | cafuego | debian sucks, use ubuntu |
| 23:20.42 | geo-rge | slackhair! |
| 23:21.37 | j777m | valdyn: okay so I reboot and then come back here? What could happen if things don't go right? |
| 23:21.55 | valdyn | j777m: you would get no X |
| 23:22.34 | j777m | valdyn: in which case i do what ? man this is stressful :o |
| 23:22.44 | Szeraa1 | you bbot to single mode |
| 23:22.50 | valdyn | j777m: which is probably not to hard to fix if you knew how. So either you irc from console, or you revert to your old driver as i told you above and reboot again |
| 23:22.51 | Szeraa1 | you do have grub dont you? |
| 23:23.03 | Szeraa1 | boot* |
| 23:23.04 | valdyn | j777m: mind, rebooting isnt needed, but obviously easy |
| 23:23.28 | Szeraa1 | init 1 then ctrl D would do too, basically rebooting |
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| 23:23.46 | Szeraa1 | sudo init 1 i guess... |
| 23:23.47 | valdyn | Szeraa1: his boot process isnt going to break down at a failing nvidia driver |
| 23:23.54 | j777m | valdyn: if I cant get to x, where do i go to revert to the old driver? |
| 23:24.05 | j777m | valdyn: like i said im beginning |
| 23:24.07 | Szeraa1 | yeah, but doing init 1 kills the x server |
| 23:24.19 | Szeraa1 | /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or maybe xf86config |
| 23:24.21 | valdyn | j777m: you will see, its text mode, you log in and run that aptitude blah blah command |
| 23:24.44 | j777m | valdyn: okay. hopefully I will be back momentarily |
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| 23:24.59 | Szeraa1 | oh jeez, i thought he had 2 comps |
| 23:25.14 | Szeraa1 | this could be really bad for him... |
| 23:25.33 | valdyn | Szeraa1: worst case hes in text mode |
| 23:25.48 | Szeraa1 | maybe |
| 23:26.08 | Szeraa1 | with my nvidia driver, i was having troubles and i was gett bsod |
| 23:26.13 | Szeraa1 | (black screen of death) |
| 23:26.14 | geo-rge | that's pretty why I made the suggestions I did (explore your filesystem, learn the damn shell)... |
| 23:26.22 | Szeraa1 | didnt no visable output |
| 23:26.30 | geo-rge | s/pretty why/pretty much why/ |
| 23:26.31 | Szeraa1 | had no visable* |
| 23:26.32 | valdyn | geo-rge: he'll have plenty time _then_ |
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| 23:26.43 | j777m | valdyn: im back |
| 23:26.50 | valdyn | j777m: lovely |
| 23:26.52 | Zoo- | hello :) |
| 23:26.58 | Szeraa1 | j777m: grand |
| 23:27.01 | geo-rge | j777m: explored your filesystem yet? |
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| 23:27.09 | MangosDebian | you guys give him some risky command? |
| 23:27.16 | Szeraa1 | display driver |
| 23:27.23 | j777m | geo-rge: no |
| 23:27.24 | MangosDebian | eek |
| 23:27.32 | valdyn | MangosDebian: i worked 2 hours on him getting sid nvidia drivers into etch |
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| 23:27.36 | Szeraa1 | MangosDebian: he wanted it to be better, we swear! |
| 23:27.36 | valdyn | MangosDebian: that's all |
| 23:27.44 | MangosDebian | lol |
| 23:27.50 | j777m | valdyn: what is next on the to do list? |
| 23:27.50 | geo-rge | j777m: learn your command line shell yet? |
| 23:27.58 | geo-rge | j777m: learn your command line shell. |
| 23:28.06 | Zoo- | when it says.. building gtk interface, no, and building text interface no, that just means, its because I didn't do make and make install yet right? |
| 23:28.11 | valdyn | j777m: now you can actually run compiz / beryl etc on those drivers |
| 23:28.11 | Szeraa1 | disable your graphical for 2 weeks |
| 23:28.16 | j777m | geo-rge: kinda...not really |
| 23:28.19 | Zoo- | I been having fun with adding all the compilers I need, :) |
| 23:28.36 | MangosDebian | valdyn: cant be any worse than ati binaries |
| 23:28.38 | Zoo- | going to compile the latest elisa also, from svn, I also met deps with that.. hee |
| 23:28.44 | valdyn | j777m: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 23:28.57 | MangosDebian | mind you i havent tried ati + X since sarge |
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| 23:29.07 | valdyn | MangosDebian: it went perfectly fine, its just amazingly slow when done step by step via irc |
| 23:29.18 | MangosDebian | nothing new there ;) |
| 23:29.27 | Zoo- | j777m: , if you don't get nothing back with that.. do a sudo apt-get install mesa-utils |
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| 23:29.32 | Szeraa1 | valdyn: i still think we should tell him to change the device to use the ati drivers, and make him live with text only, for a week till we "find" out how to fix it |
| 23:29.32 | geo-rge | j777m: not bad. now, I invite you to notice that there are more intricasies in the way the shell interprets what you type to it, that it would be helpful to know |
| 23:29.32 | MangosDebian | telephone isnt much better either |
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| 23:29.44 | Zoo- | you already getting help for beryl 8? |
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| 23:29.53 | Zoo- | I got alot I'm doing on my own with debian etch and mandriva spring pwp |
| 23:30.02 | j777m | valdyn: direct rendering - yes |
| 23:30.07 | Zoo- | so I am taking a break from . chattin |
| 23:30.14 | valdyn | j777m: ok, uh |
| 23:30.25 | valdyn | j777m: are you actually running gnome? |
| 23:30.26 | Szeraa1 | j777m: do you know about grep? |
| 23:30.32 | j777m | geo-rge: as in case sensitive? |
| 23:30.44 | j777m | valdyn: no im running xfce4 |
| 23:30.55 | Zoo- | j777m: , http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/ |
| 23:31.01 | j777m | valdyn: guess i shoulda told you |
| 23:31.02 | valdyn | j777m: aptitude install compiz |
| 23:31.02 | Szeraa1 | Zoo-: thanks |
| 23:31.05 | geo-rge | j777m: that would be one, yes |
| 23:31.07 | valdyn | j777m: nah |
| 23:31.24 | Zoo- | information is all over the world wide web.. and then some.. and thats just some |
| 23:31.41 | valdyn | did nvidia drivers need extra enabling Composite in xorg.conf? |
| 23:31.46 | j777m | zoo-: thanks for the link. ill read it when i get time |
| 23:31.51 | Szeraa1 | yeah. after the www, then ask people, and there is where the real wealth of knowledge is... |
| 23:31.55 | Zoo- | ah, theres more you should read though :- ) |
| 23:32.09 | frankr | Guerin, what did you say I could use to fool the system into thinking ia32-libs is installed? |
| 23:32.11 | Zoo- | thats what I told myself I had to do, rather then asking questions in distro channels |
| 23:32.16 | frankr | just exploring possibilities |
| 23:32.21 | Guerin | frankr: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 23:32.34 | Guerin | !beer Zoo- |
| 23:32.45 | j777m | valdyn: ok i installed it |
| 23:33.13 | geo-rge | j777m: it's a matter of a conflict: it's one thing versus another... it's you read or someone spoonfeeds you... |
| 23:33.30 | valdyn | j777m: you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:33.42 | Szeraa1 | lets see, he needs 1. grep 2. fs exploring 3. grub menu.lst (er, i would tell someone to know that at least sometime, esp if they dual\tru boot) |
| 23:33.46 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: i hate spoons.... |
| 23:34.09 | geo-rge | when you see it in that way, you see that when you say "I'll do it when I decide I have the time" you |
| 23:34.13 | Szeraa1 | tri* |
| 23:34.18 | geo-rge | are comparing the value of your time to the value of the time belonging to potential helpers |
| 23:34.25 | j777m | geo-rge: well, i like spoonfeeding, but i know what i need to do. have any useful links for me? |
| 23:34.49 | j777m | valdyn: okay how should i change it |
| 23:35.05 | geo-rge | with the direct question being: HOW much effort are you going to make them spend on you, especially when you're not immediately willing to spend it yourself? |
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| 23:35.18 | valdyn | j777m: hold on, pastebining that |
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| 23:36.00 | Szeraa1 | well, j777mi wish the best of luck to you. also, if for some stupid reason, you get scared off, and give up, be sure to try all of it again in 6 months |
| 23:36.12 | geo-rge | j777m: that would be a conflict. the only way to resolve that conflict peacefully, is you hire someone here to spoonfeed you |
| 23:36.14 | Szeraa1 | (yes, i am off to go eat food) |
| 23:36.32 | Szeraa1 | see yalls |
| 23:36.34 | geo-rge | I'm about $200/houe |
| 23:36.37 | Szeraa1 | LOL |
| 23:36.50 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: ok there bill gates |
| 23:36.51 | Szeraa1 | wow...i'll do it for $175... |
| 23:36.55 | geo-rge | and I'm worth every damn penny |
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| 23:37.30 | unlink | ooh, i'll do spoonfeeding linux support for $50/hour |
| 23:37.42 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: i would tell you the proper price for our help, but my calculator broke when I tried to calculate our net worth |
| 23:38.00 | geo-rge | MangosDebian: so you're not using linux? :) |
| 23:38.20 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: and windows |
| 23:38.21 | geo-rge | calculators in linux can handle the figure... |
| 23:38.46 | j777m | geo-rge: I am extremely pleased with what people have been doing for me here. Im not here to simply take advantage of others. Rest assured that I will do my homework. Hopefully one day soon I will join people here to help others. I am not one to quit |
| 23:38.48 | MangosDebian | i meant a real one, sorry i left it out for a shorter joke ;) |
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| 23:39.47 | MangosDebian | j777m: wait til you meat up with a full fledged troll with the sole intent on wasting your time |
| 23:40.18 | valdyn | j777m: pasting.. its slow |
| 23:40.23 | j777m | MangosDebian: what do u mean? |
| 23:40.49 | geo-rge | j777m: sounds good... but do you see the issue? |
| 23:41.01 | MangosDebian | j777m: unfortunately, nobody can be told what a troll is, you must experience it for yourself ;) |
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| 23:41.07 | valdyn | j777m: http://pastebin.ca/606615 <- just add that |
| 23:41.34 | geo-rge | I'm -very- definitely intent on slowing him down a little :P |
| 23:41.43 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 23:42.11 | j777m | geo-rge: i certainly do see the issue. like I said, its my second day on linux. i'll get it, just give me time :D |
| 23:42.17 | geo-rge | becoming independent in your information is a tall order that takes a long time |
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| 23:42.58 | j777m | geo-rge: well, i did it on windows and now im up for a new challenge |
| 23:43.35 | MangosDebian | my brain feels like a FIFO when it comes to learning if you catch my drift :/ |
| 23:43.49 | stew | yay, its beer o'clock. happy friday |
| 23:43.55 | geo-rge | j777m: good enough... in addition to the first two things I think you should do to get more familiar, is look in /usr/bin/ for interesting looking commands and see what they do by reading their man page and in that page, look at their description |
| 23:44.16 | MangosDebian | j777m: im sure you will like linux. its a natural progression for a techhead imho |
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| 23:44.29 | MangosDebian | stew: Ill drink to that! |
| 23:44.41 | mosno | all i can say is it pays to really learn a good programmer's editor |
| 23:44.49 | valdyn | j777m: http://pastebin.ca/606622 <- referesh that one, not sure the ServerLayout stuff is still required |
| 23:44.55 | geo-rge | that;s trye |
| 23:44.58 | geo-rge | true |
| 23:45.04 | MangosDebian | mosno: <3 vim |
| 23:45.15 | mosno | because if you want to truly learn gnu/linux, i think you kinda *have* to be a developer (if not in the active sense, in the mindset sense) |
| 23:45.29 | valdyn | j777m: i think not.. but who knows, i no longer own an nvidia card |
| 23:45.32 | mosno | MangosDebian, i personally prefer GNU Emacs, but vim is a fine choice |
| 23:46.22 | MangosDebian | mosno: ive seen the power of emacs, just learning the commands for both is nasty if you only use one most of the time (forget other i mean) |
| 23:46.28 | gentgeen__ | make sure you learn VI -- at least enough to use in an emergency --- not all systems have emacs, but everyone has vi |
| 23:46.36 | MangosDebian | and my fingers hurt with emacs keystrokes :) |
| 23:46.41 | Guerin | mosno: the `no true scotsman' fallacy |
| 23:46.52 | mosno | Guerin, URL? never heard of this. |
| 23:47.13 | Guerin | mosno: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman |
| 23:47.15 | mosno | gentgeen__, true. |
| 23:47.28 | mosno | thankfully, the basics of vi are easy. |
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| 23:47.41 | mosno | i dont know why people complain about it. it has a pretty sweet tutorial |
| 23:48.02 | MangosDebian | oi |
| 23:48.13 | Guerin | i can't stand vi*'s dual-modedness |
| 23:48.17 | Guerin | it's just wrong and bad |
| 23:48.23 | geo-rge | mosno: modal editors break concentration by forcing you to switch modes |
| 23:48.29 | Guerin | geo-rge: yes. |
| 23:49.04 | j777m | valdyn: I already had that info in my xorg.conf. I was trying to install beryl before I came here and I believe it told me to put that stuff in. |
| 23:49.13 | gentgeen__ | geo-rge, if pressing : or i is enough to break your consentration, then you got bigger problems :-) |
| 23:49.17 | geo-rge | people who have been using vi for 30 years (which is not me) probably don't see that as modal |
| 23:49.18 | valdyn | j777m: yea, probably |
| 23:49.23 | valdyn | j777m: try running compiz |
| 23:49.37 | geo-rge | gentgeen__: which are solved by picking something else :) |
| 23:49.45 | mosno | Guerin, re. no true scotsman: very interesting reading |
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| 23:50.04 | valdyn | j777m: if compiz works, then beryl would run too, they dont really are very different anyway |
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| 23:50.43 | geo-rge | gentgeen__: by the way... implying there is something wrong with me or someone who can't handle the modalness is not exactly the fairest way of arguing :P |
| 23:50.46 | mosno | Guerin, but what if genuine disambiguation is misinterpreted as no true scots? |
| 23:50.49 | MangosDebian | geo-rge: i kinda like it. easy enough to hit undo |
| 23:51.02 | Guerin | mosno: that is the burning question. |
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| 23:51.30 | geo-rge | scotz iz no true? |
| 23:51.37 | valdyn | now if only owners if unsupported gfx cards like nvidia had to jump through such hoops |
| 23:51.45 | valdyn | but intel isnt that much better in that aspecdt =;/ |
| 23:51.59 | mosno | Guerin, does n.t.s. relate to some aspect of this channel conversation? |
| 23:52.05 | j777m | valdyn: is this because im running xfce http://pastebin.ca/606626? |
| 23:52.27 | valdyn | j777m: youre ROOT, dont be |
| 23:53.00 | valdyn | j777m: there's a 2nd error, that one implies that you need to run: "compiz --replace" |
| 23:53.45 | MangosDebian | j777m: ahhh, welcome to the unix rule book. Lesson #1, Rule #1 - Dont use ROOT for anything unless you have to |
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| 23:54.58 | j777m | valdyn: ok, i switched to a non-root terminal (if that makes sense?) and http://pastebin.ca/606632 |
| 23:54.59 | MangosDebian | simmerz: would you fix your dns already? :) |
| 23:55.08 | simmerz | MangosDebian: ? |
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| 23:55.24 | valdyn | j777m: xfces window manager isnt listening to the replace command |
| 23:55.44 | MangosDebian | simmerz: you ever actually look at your dns? |
| 23:55.45 | valdyn | j777m: you can try a hack like "killall xfwm && compiz" |
| 23:56.00 | valdyn | j777m: maybe that will work, maybe the xfce window manager will restart to fast |
| 23:56.18 | simmerz | erm nope. not on my adsl line |
| 23:56.55 | MangosDebian | simmerz: doesnt strike you as odd that freenode returns your in-addr.arpa? |
| 23:57.01 | j777m | valdyn: it just said 'xwfm: no process killed' |
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| 23:57.11 | x_link | hehe there is updates/upgrades everyday on Testing =) |
| 23:57.18 | valdyn | j777m: that looks like your typo |
| 23:57.30 | valdyn | j777m: i think the xfce window manager is 'xfwm' |
| 23:57.43 | j777m | valdyn: duh again |
| 23:57.56 | simmerz | MangosDebian: hmm. shouldn't it mask the IP part? |
| 23:58.11 | MangosDebian | simmerz: what do you mean by "mask"? |
| 23:58.35 | simmerz | I've seen other users with user@*.somedomain.something |
| 23:58.52 | MangosDebian | simmerz: thats what it SHOULD be like yes |
| 23:58.55 | j777m | valdyn: the typo was on here not in the terminal 'xfwm: no process killed' |
| 23:59.00 | simmerz | how to i make it like that? |
| 23:59.22 | valdyn | !find bin/xfwm |
| 23:59.31 | valdyn | j777m: maybe its really called xfwm4 |
| 23:59.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xfwm' (1): (/usr/bin/xfwm4) in x11/xfwm4. |
| 23:59.36 | valdyn | j777m: i cant really know |
| 23:59.41 | MangosDebian | simmerz: no idea why freenode would let you on irc even with a bad forward/rev dns though if its your isp's fault. unless its their servers having issues resolving you |
| 23:59.44 | valdyn | j777m: dpkg does know, there you go.. xfwm4 |
