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| 00:02.41 | red__ | I got some super weirdness when I tried to install command line Image Magick |
| 00:03.04 | red__ | I already had perl Image::Magick installed but suddenly it vanished although when I apt-get it, it's still there ... |
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| 00:04.02 | bpun | anyone here use ssd devices? saw on ebay an 1.8" solid state drive for 600 bucks.. didn't know they go up to 32gigs those things.. pretty cool.. |
| 00:04.13 | red__ | Can't locate Image/Magick.pm |
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| 00:05.46 | pitosga | hello |
| 00:06.36 | bpun | red__, try perl mongers.. |
| 00:06.49 | bpun | red__, i mean the cpan site.. |
| 00:06.55 | bpun | red__, you're missing a mod |
| 00:08.04 | |DuReX| | load: 22.26, 14.50, 7.11 |
| 00:08.07 | |DuReX| | this is not normal |
| 00:08.08 | |DuReX| | : |
| 00:08.08 | |DuReX| | :( |
| 00:09.12 | dondelelcaro | red__: use aptitude reinstall libmagick-perl; or similar. |
| 00:09.16 | asarch | Which protocol does CUPS uses for network printers? |
| 00:09.34 | asarch | I already start the CUPS daemon on the host machine |
| 00:09.44 | asarch | And I need the name of the protocol on the client machine |
| 00:09.57 | pitosga | asarch: i believe it to be ipp |
| 00:09.58 | dondelelcaro | red__: it's perlmagick, actually. |
| 00:10.16 | asarch | pitosga: Let's see... |
| 00:11.15 | asarch | pitosga: Which port does it use? |
| 00:11.20 | pitosga | 631 |
| 00:11.34 | karsten | asarch: http://localhost:631/ |
| 00:11.36 | asarch | Deamn!!!: You don't have permission to access the resource on this server. |
| 00:11.51 | asarch | No, from the client machine |
| 00:11.54 | pitosga | ipp://name_of_host:631/name_of_printer |
| 00:12.06 | karsten | asarch: Root password. Or if you're accessing it remotely, add the host you're trying to access it from to the allowed hosts list. |
| 00:12.57 | asarch | ? |
| 00:13.09 | karsten | asarch: Um, ignore me. |
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| 00:13.30 | karsten | asarch: I thought you were trying to access the local CUPS web-based config tool, which is where I told you. |
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| 00:13.50 | karsten | asarch: pitosga has the remote printer access URL right. |
| 00:19.01 | asarch | My printer's name is "Betty" |
| 00:19.07 | asarch | Cute, isn't it? |
| 00:19.13 | asarch | Jejeje :-D |
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| 00:20.37 | eshaase | whats a good desktop widget app? I'm looking for something like google's personalized search page (igoogle) |
| 00:22.22 | karsten | eshaase: Um, beagle. |
| 00:22.31 | karsten | eshaase: ... particularly if you want to stress your CPU and disks. |
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| 00:25.18 | asarch | Beatriz "Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)!" |
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| 00:28.31 | eshaase | karsten: beagle doesn't place things on my desktop, was looking for a program that actually places things on my desktop |
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| 00:34.41 | spheard | how do I set default gateway? |
| 00:34.44 | TAKTLx | with what command can i view whats hooked on parallel ports |
| 00:37.07 | Greyscale | TAKTLx, I don't think you can with parallel :| |
| 00:37.15 | Greyscale | its not plug-n-play |
| 00:37.23 | Greyscale | so it doesn't actually tell the computer what it is |
| 00:37.30 | Greyscale | it just relys on the user knowing what to do with it |
| 00:37.36 | spheard | k |
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| 00:38.09 | Greyscale | spheard, I knew at one point, now I forgot D: |
| 00:38.41 | TAKTLx | what adress does paralell have like /dev? |
| 00:38.59 | Coweater | spheard: man 5 interfaces |
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| 00:39.39 | vikingr | hey, i just installed kde and kdm and the font-size in kdm and also in kde are very, very huge. when i start kde from gdm, the font sizes are normal both in gdm and in kde. what could be the reason for that problem? |
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| 00:43.35 | TAKTLx | Greyscale i have a Scanner that use that port, when i start xsane it displays my ?? DVB-T card as device ?? i would like to swith the device to parallel , just dont really know how since i dont know the /dev/? |
| 00:44.31 | asarch | Why, in spite of the CUPS daemon is running I cannot access to the printer? |
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| 00:45.18 | lunarcrisis | What manages? /dev/usb? |
| 00:45.55 | lunarcrisis | I have plugged in a scanner and most documentation seems to tell me to look in /dev/usb for it, but I don't have one |
| 00:46.17 | Amarande | asarch, your user account may not have appropriate privileges |
| 00:47.01 | asarch | You mean, the user accont in the clien machine, right? |
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| 00:47.29 | GaiaX11_ | What do you think of this guys? http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/01/13147.aspx If Dell will support ubuntu so will their hardware be debian fit as well? |
| 00:47.30 | smtlaissezfaire | Does /etc/profile only get loaded at startup, or does it get loaded with every new shell? |
| 00:48.30 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:49.25 | lunarcrisis | what creates /dev/usb/*? |
| 00:51.27 | asarch | What is the name of the cable that you connect from the network card to your motherboard to perform a "wake on lan" operation? |
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| 00:54.52 | Micromus | I have one working install of debian on my laptop, and i have no installed an encrypted one in addition, i forgot to install /boot on that one. Can I use the same files as the unencrypted /boot? |
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| 00:55.34 | Micromus | I notice diff saying there is a difference between my initrd's (from the current unencrypted and a previous encrypted, same install media, no changes) |
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| 00:57.24 | Micromus | my new dm-crypt is on hda5, however it complains on hda8 not found, and hda8 was the old encrypted install. where can i change from hda8 to hda5? |
| 00:57.52 | niriven | So, an honest question, what are the advantages to using debian over ubuntu? |
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| 00:58.24 | asarch | niriven: IF you use Debian you'll become in a Debianita |
| 00:58.45 | niriven | asarch: ... |
| 00:58.51 | asarch | What? |
| 00:58.59 | asarch | They actually are the same |
| 00:59.43 | niriven | asarch: Surely they cant be exactly the same :P |
| 00:59.55 | asarch | I mean |
| 01:00.16 | asarch | After they are installed on your machine both of them works for the same task |
| 01:00.20 | asarch | *tasks |
| 01:00.51 | niriven | asarch: Same could be said for all operating systems that choose to use the linux kernel |
| 01:01.09 | asarch | IMO Ubuntu is when you don't have so much time to setup an installation |
| 01:01.24 | asarch | Or, for example, for your girlfriend |
| 01:01.26 | Arafangion | niriven: Debian has more mature package dependencies, and is so reliable you could almost put apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade in your cronjob on a production system. (Don't do that, though) |
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| 01:02.09 | karsten | WTF do I still get the "untrusted versions" message when installing new SW. I'm updating keys daily. WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 01:02.20 | Dreamlinux | hi.. |
| 01:02.27 | asarch | Hi... |
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| 01:02.30 | karsten | Running: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring; aptitude update |
| 01:02.36 | Dreamlinux | Karsten: hi dude. how are you? :) |
| 01:02.39 | niriven | Ok well, i used to use debian heavily, even before ubuntu was created. I use ubuntu now, and im curious as to, how long it would take to setup most of my acpi events, including cdrom eject, laptop lid close, open, power button, etc. |
| 01:02.52 | karsten | Dreamlinux: Extremely good. |
| 01:02.56 | karsten | Dreamlinux: ... or so I'm told. |
| 01:03.04 | Dreamlinux | jejej |
| 01:03.08 | Dreamlinux | great !! :) |
| 01:03.13 | Dreamlinux | well i am here.. |
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| 01:03.29 | karsten | Me too, apparently. |
| 01:03.41 | Dreamlinux | mm any experienci with "lirc" dude?? |
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| 01:04.10 | karsten | Dreamlinux: /msg dpkg polls & ask |
| 01:04.11 | Micromus | How can I mount my initrd and edit its files? |
| 01:04.29 | lunix_ | Micromus: mount -o loop |
| 01:04.37 | karsten | lunix_: Nope. |
| 01:04.45 | lunix_ | but first gunzip it |
| 01:04.50 | karsten | Micromus: New style is a gzipped cpio archive. |
| 01:04.51 | lunix_ | karsten: ? |
| 01:05.10 | karsten | Micromus: gunzip & cpio -i it. |
| 01:05.17 | Micromus | kay, thanks |
| 01:05.20 | karsten | lunix_: Old style was a cramfs image, yes, you could mount it. |
| 01:05.37 | lunix_ | oh |
| 01:05.39 | lunix_ | nice |
| 01:05.45 | lunix_ | din't knew about it |
| 01:05.46 | Dreamlinux | i have a little problem.. with the contruction of the pacakges :( |
| 01:05.52 | karsten | Micromus: If you're etch or more recent, unpack it, modify it, repack it. There's also some initrd config options you can use to specify contents. |
| 01:06.05 | lunix_ | i stopped using initrd's about 4 years ago |
| 01:06.08 | karsten | Dreamlinux: A lot of folks here tend to run irssi. |
| 01:06.22 | Micromus | lunix_: i started using linux about 4 days ago :P |
| 01:06.26 | karsten | lunix_: I think they're kinda neat myself, but prefer the cramfs verion (easier to work with). |
| 01:06.34 | karsten | !beer Micromus |
| 01:06.41 | Dreamlinux | realy? |
| 01:06.44 | karsten | Micromus: Bottoms up! |
| 01:06.48 | lunix_ | Dreamlinux: yep |
| 01:06.52 | Dreamlinux | jeje |
| 01:06.52 | Micromus | Cheers! |
| 01:07.10 | Dreamlinux | is better ?? |
| 01:07.12 | Micromus | Well, I've been fiddling with bsd on servers for years, but linux on the desktop is quite different |
| 01:07.15 | lunix_ | Micromus: welcome aboard ;) |
| 01:07.51 | karsten | Micromus: Get used to the GNU userland. It's different all right. |
| 01:08.04 | GaiaX11_ | I have used ubuntu but I am thinking in coming back to debian because there is a basic difference between the two. And ubuntu has upset me over configuration issues. For example: in ubuntu I find more difficult to set up splash screen, boot up screen, gdm art than in debian! |
| 01:08.20 | lunix_ | Micromus: then you're my kind og guy, i've been using linux on servers for years but only recently restarted using it as a desktop, hehehe |
| 01:08.25 | Micromus | btw, any generic linux and/or specific debian books to recommend? |
| 01:08.42 | carbocalm | hallo! i've got this error when compiling a swig interface (on feisty, AMD64) /usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/reentr.h:612: error: field ‘_crypt_struct’ has incomplete type ; should i install some packages? |
| 01:08.43 | karsten | Micromus: Martin Krafft's _The Debian System_. 100% recommended. |
| 01:08.43 | niriven | GaiaX11: More difficult? why? |
| 01:09.20 | karsten | Micromus: If you know Linux/Unix but not Debian, it doesn't bog you down with chapters on shell and editors and crap, but tells you what Debian is, how it works, how to deal with management tools. |
| 01:09.21 | Dreamlinux | for the splashscreen i use the package > gnome-splashscreen-manager |
| 01:09.22 | Dreamlinux | :) |
| 01:09.24 | lunix_ | Micromus: i keep myself on the vicinity of tldp.org |
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| 01:09.31 | karsten | Micromus: ... and I'm in the acknowledgements, so it's got to be good. |
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| 01:09.35 | GaiaX11_ | From my experience using the two I find that debian gives me more control over the system |
| 01:10.09 | karsten | Micromus: http://nostarch.com/debian.htm http://debiansystem.info/ (2nd temporarially offline). |
| 01:10.12 | lunix_ | karsten: will take a look on that book too, i'm trying to get a good understanding of 'the debian way' |
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| 01:10.25 | karsten | Micromus: Grok policy. Read the APT HOWTO. Debian project's docs are quite good. |
| 01:10.31 | karsten | !policy |
| 01:10.31 | dpkg | from memory, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 01:10.36 | karsten | ^^ is the debian way. |
| 01:10.41 | Dreamlinux | well.. i will tray that packages > irssi :) |
| 01:10.44 | niriven | GaiaX11_: I feel the same way, i know its not true though. You can do whatever in ubuntu you can in debian. I dont like the whole administrating the system with a non root user in ubuntu, and, i fear in debian, that i wont be able to setup acpid |
| 01:11.22 | karsten | Micromus: Contents: http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian |
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| 01:11.55 | karsten | Micromus: ... nad http://www.debian.or/gdoc/ for other docs. Start w/ APT HOWTO and the new user refs. Skim the latter if you're new to Debian but know Unix/Linux well, much overlap as you might expect. |
| 01:12.29 | Micromus | and it's no starch, so it does indeed have to be good ;) |
| 01:12.54 | karsten | Micromus: Martin's a DD, and a good author. |
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| 01:13.17 | karsten | !dd |
| 01:13.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 01:13.21 | GaiaX11_ | niriven: I know that I can do everything, but what I am saying is the way we do things. For example. Try to use gnome-art in ubuntu and in debian and you will see the difference. |
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| 01:14.41 | Micromus | karsten: it seems to be spot on, I need something not to basic not to advanced that covers most topics since I (regrettably) do not have the chance to devote my life to learing it :) |
| 01:15.24 | karsten | Micromus: This is the book I *wish* existed for a lot of other distros / OSs, but can't. |
| 01:16.09 | karsten | Micromus: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html ("Why Debian") is another good distillation of the benefits, some of which Martin borrows from heavily. |
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| 01:16.40 | matehortu1 | hi all |
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| 01:17.45 | Dreamlinux | folks¿?? |
| 01:17.48 | Dreamlinux | hi |
| 01:17.53 | niriven | GaiaX11_: I am acutally going to go from ubuntu to debian right now. I know that i will not get the latest software from the debian reps (for instance, unstable has kernel 2.6.18, ubuntu fiesty has .20). The reason i am doing this is because i want to build my system from base up, i dont want ubuntu to decide for me. |
| 01:18.11 | Micromus | btw, found my problem, initrd.img/conf/conf.d/cryptroot := |
| 01:18.15 | karsten | niriven: Note that Ubuntu does allow you to do that if you choose. |
| 01:18.19 | Dreamlinux | covers for Debian Etch,,, very impresive > http://ulihansen.kicks-ass.net/etch/#artwork |
| 01:18.22 | Dreamlinux | go ahead ;) |
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| 01:18.26 | niriven | karsten: Using the alternate install cd? |
| 01:18.28 | Micromus | now only to edit, image and pack :S |
| 01:18.33 | jccf | hi |
| 01:18.41 | Dreamlinux | very good covers ;) |
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| 01:19.12 | jccf | i gotta a problem somebody can help me |
| 01:19.13 | jccf | ? |
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| 01:19.33 | karsten | !tell jccf about ask |
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| 01:20.28 | jccf | i have a ibook g4 1.33 with debian but i can't do it that airport work |
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| 01:20.34 | jccf | :( |
| 01:20.39 | je_fro | niriven, sounds like you're due for a LFS box |
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| 01:21.32 | niriven | je_fro: Been there, done that, im semi lazy, i dont want to do it again. I'd rather not fuss with compiling everything again, id rather start with a base system, with a nice package manager (apt) and build from there. |
| 01:21.51 | Micromus | just one more thing, how do i make cpio "take this folder and put it in the file X"? |
| 01:21.58 | Dreamlinux | irssi dont work for my jeje :P |
| 01:22.12 | niriven | karsten: How do you start with the base ubuntu system, karsten? Alternate install? |
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| 01:22.21 | Micromus | I'm looking at the minimal man-page and im experimenting with redirection without luck |
| 01:22.45 | karsten | niriven: That's an ubuntu question. In general, though, yeah, I think you want to skip the task selection or default install. /join #ubuntu. |
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| 01:23.27 | niriven | karsten: Ah, sorry for asking |
| 01:24.02 | niriven | I found acpi-support for debian, which is awesome, that takes that worry away. Now to find out how i get rid of those ugly defaulted fonts in xorg :-0 |
| 01:24.12 | jccf | i have problem with my ibook i use debian and i can't do my airpot extreme work, somedoby know about this? |
| 01:24.50 | karsten | !tell jccf about repeat |
| 01:24.50 | karsten | jccf: Apparently not. |
| 01:24.51 | karsten | jccf: ppc or intel? |
| 01:24.59 | jccf | ppc |
| 01:25.11 | karsten | jccf: Try #debianppc |
| 01:25.19 | jccf | aaaa ok thanks man |
| 01:25.30 | karsten | jccf: NP. Mind it might be quiet in there. |
| 01:25.42 | karsten | jccf: ... but more likely to have folks familiar w/ the HW. |
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| 01:27.00 | eldowan | once a package is accepted into unstable, what is the general timeline for addition to testing? |
| 01:27.47 | asg | eldowan: 2 to 10 days generally, unless there are bugs/issues that prevent entrance to testing. |
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| 01:29.04 | karsten | !testing |
| 01:29.04 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 01:29.38 | GaiaX11_ | !acpi |
| 01:29.38 | dpkg | somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
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| 01:29.56 | asg | GaiaX11_: you can also /msg the bot |
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| 01:30.13 | xerophyte | what is the good terminal window i use gnome terminal window .. is there any good one ? |
| 01:30.15 | piztek3 | can anyone help me manually edit the gnome-panel menu? alacart isn't letting me add items and applications is empty. |
| 01:30.33 | eldowan | karsten: asg: thanks for the tip |
| 01:31.07 | karsten | xerophyte: I prefer rxvt (rxvt-unicode) myself. GNOME terminal / konsole are way heavy. Old-style xterm also carries baggage (Textronix emulation) you probably don't need. |
| 01:31.11 | asg | xerophyte: try them all, use the one that suits you. For what it's worth, many here like rxvt (or it's unicode version rxvt-unicode) |
| 01:31.23 | asg | *its |
| 01:31.26 | karsten | xerophyte: Any basic terminal (nvt, rxvt, aterm, wterm) should work just fine. |
| 01:31.27 | Dreamlinux | piztek3: hi |
| 01:31.36 | piztek3 | hi Dreamlinux |
| 01:31.46 | xerophyte | Thanks all |
| 01:31.48 | Dreamlinux | for example > dreamdebian:/home/dreamlinux# vim /usr/share/applications/NVCLOCK.desktop |
| 01:31.51 | piztek3 | can you help me? |
| 01:32.18 | piztek3 | what is vim? |
| 01:32.23 | karsten | !tell piztek3 about ask |
| 01:32.24 | karsten | !vim |
| 01:32.25 | dpkg | hmm... vim is the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs factoid |
| 01:32.29 | Dreamlinux | improved version of VI |
| 01:32.39 | Dreamlinux | tex editor from UNIX |
| 01:32.40 | karsten | piztek3: apt-cache show vim, or use Google. |
| 01:32.46 | Dreamlinux | is a veteran texp editor jeje |
| 01:32.46 | pzn | how to I set the default gnome screensaver for all users? (debian etch) |
| 01:32.58 | karsten | pzn: Turn off the computer ;-) |
| 01:33.18 | eldowan | and save energy to boot! |
| 01:33.23 | karsten | pzn: Otherwise, possibly some gconf value. Check #gnome. |
| 01:33.51 | Arafangion | Screensavers are badly named, these days. :( |
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| 01:34.31 | maek | if I have 4 250 gig disks and I want to make a raid5 should I also raid swap? or just create 4 single swap partitions? |
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| 01:34.40 | karsten | Arafangion: I consider them more a security tool than a powersave tool. Though you can set a blank/off time w/ them too. |
| 01:34.54 | karsten | maek: RAIDing swap doesn't really buy you much. |
| 01:35.13 | piztek3 | Dreamlinux: I read that .desktops in /home/USER/.gnome2 take precedence over the /usr/share/applications folder, is this true? |
| 01:35.13 | maek | karsten: except that if the given disk fails you still have swap right? or will the kernel just use the next swap device? |
| 01:35.18 | Arafangion | karsten: I'm sure you'd have stability advantages for RAID'ing swap? |
| 01:35.24 | karsten | maek: I wouldn't bother going out of my way to do it. RAID5 is going to slow swap down. However if it simplifies partitioning, swap on raid should work. |
| 01:35.41 | maek | karsten: ok, thanks. |
| 01:35.47 | maek | I doubt it will swap much anyways |
| 01:36.05 | karsten | maek: You might buy a delayed shutdown. You're going to pay a performance penalty. You're not concerned about data loss. |
| 01:36.30 | karsten | maek: ... and if you're swapping heavily the problem is insufficient RAM (or fat processes). |
| 01:36.32 | piztek3 | for example, ~/.gnome2/vfolders has files and folders, where the applications menu is empty |
| 01:36.35 | scruffy | I can't get mono-apache-server correctly interpreting and displaying .asp pages on my Debian system. I created /etc/mono-server/conf.d/abbotec.com, then I copied the contents of mono-server-hosts.conf into /etc/mono-server/conf.d/abbotec.com/10_abbotec, then ran mono-server-update, and the pages are still displayed as text/plain. Can someone help? |
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| 01:37.17 | maek | karsten: so the question that remains is, if I create 4 "swap" paritions instead of 1 md device will the kernel know what do to with that because I have labled the partion type swap? |
| 01:37.25 | xerophyte | how can i view how much resource used by gnome terminal ? |
| 01:37.45 | centrx | ps aux |grep gnome-terminal |
| 01:37.46 | karsten | maek: I honestly don't know how that's going to interact w/ SW RAID. |
| 01:37.53 | maek | karsten: ok, thanks. |
| 01:37.55 | karsten | maek: Seems like it should work as expected though. |
| 01:37.58 | karsten | centrx: Yes. |
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| 01:38.25 | karsten | centrx: or cat /proc/<PID>/status |
| 01:38.45 | karsten | centrx: The better grep expression is "[g]nome-terminal" which won't match grep itself. |
| 01:39.22 | eldowan | scruffy: you so crazy |
| 01:39.30 | asg | maek: since swap is not intended for long-term or safe storage, adding the overhead of sw raid will likely degrade performance more than utilizing swap does now. If you are swapping, things are not in good shape. |
| 01:39.47 | scruffy | eldowan: :) |
| 01:40.19 | asg | scruffy: I'd start with /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/README.Debian* first. |
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| 01:40.33 | scruffy | asg: that's where I started :( |
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| 01:40.56 | asg | scruffy: out of curiosity, does clearning your browser cache miraculously fix things? |
| 01:40.58 | scruffy | asg: because I don't know anything about .Net, I think I'm missing something unsaid |
| 01:40.59 | karsten | asg: OTOH you don't lose apps in the event of disk failure. I'd say if you're relying on your disk subsystem for performance of VM you've already got problems. So for an HA system this might be a sane trade. |
| 01:41.11 | scruffy | asg: I've got caching turned off in Iceweasel |
| 01:41.19 | asg | scruffy: ah, okay |
| 01:43.00 | xerophyte | karsten, i have installed the rxvt-unicode but i am not able to run the screen in it.. screen works in gnome terminal just wondering what seemes to be the issue |
| 01:43.00 | asg | karsten: yeah, maybe. It could go either way based on his requirements. |
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| 01:44.57 | eldowan | xerophyte: I'm able to run screen in rxvt-unicode in KDE no problem. would you like me to try running in the gnome env? |
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| 01:45.30 | xerophyte | eldowon sure, i am using gnome |
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| 01:46.34 | Bogus8 | I used rsync --archive -vv --stats --progress --rsh=ssh --sparse <source> <destination> to transfer some files over my network.. well the destination dir was the same on two of the transfers... should that command have erased what I had previously rsynced to that dir? |
| 01:46.38 | eldowan | xerophyte: just a sec, gnome is loading... |
| 01:46.52 | xerophyte | eldowan, thanks lot i appreciate that |
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| 01:48.38 | eldowan | xerophyte: on etch, no problem running rxvt from the run dialogue |
| 01:49.23 | xerophyte | eldowan, hmmm |
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| 01:49.46 | eldowan | xerophyte: have you tried creating a new user to make sure it isn't a user config problem? |
| 01:50.47 | xerophyte | eldowan, When i start the rxvt from the gnome panel it works, but if i start the rxvt from the gnome terminal like rxvt & then screen does not work |
| 01:51.23 | eldowan | xerophyte: aah, I added an applet that lets me run a non-gnome app, and ran rxvt straight from there. let me gry from gnome term |
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| 01:51.56 | eldowan | where can you find the differences between laptop, standard, desktop installs in etch? |
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| 01:52.32 | Amarande | heh, I don't even have rxvt on alviarin |
| 01:52.42 | ryty | anyone else having trouble with emu10k1 since 2.6.21? |
| 01:52.56 | ryty | (using ALSA, of course) |
| 01:53.51 | xerophyte | in gnome what is the short cut to get the run box ? |
| 01:53.58 | karsten | xerophyte: sounds like a pty perms issue. |
| 01:54.09 | xerophyte | karsten, hmmm |
| 01:54.11 | karsten | asg: Overkill IMO but not insane. |
| 01:54.29 | xerophyte | karsten, how can i get the run box using keyboard in gnome ? |
| 01:54.30 | eldowan | xerophyte: <alt>+F2 |
| 01:54.53 | xerophyte | eldowan thx cool |
| 01:55.13 | xerophyte | eldowan, i am learning all the short cuts because i waste lots of time using the mouse :( |
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| 01:55.31 | Dreamlinux | a little tips. .minimize the entire desktop with the hotkey > CTRL + ALT + D |
| 01:55.42 | asg | karsten: agreed. I'm tempted to RAID 1 2 x 2G usb sticks in my slug, for the hell of it :) |
| 01:56.01 | eldowan | xerophyte: no prob. I just launched from gnome-terminal with no problem. rxvt is fine. |
| 01:56.02 | Dreamlinux | and maximizer.. in the same way! |
| 01:56.26 | karsten | asg: Ouch. Can you say "burn-through" boys and girls? |
| 01:56.39 | asg | karsten: yes, it's a scientific experiment. |
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| 01:59.03 | karsten | asg: have fun. |
| 01:59.30 | asg | karsten: been up for 5 days and still ticking |
| 01:59.47 | eldowan | how can I find the differences between the desktop, laptop, other installer options? i.e. which packages are installed for which task? |
| 02:01.06 | eldowan | sofar I have found this: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en but I would like more information on installed package specifics |
| 02:01.42 | karsten | eldowan: The problem w/ flash is burning out specific memory locations. I'm thinking RAID w/ parity is going to hit some critical aareas possibly sooner than other configurations would. |
| 02:01.49 | karsten | eldowan: NM. |
| 02:01.50 | karsten | asg: ^%^ |
| 02:02.30 | eldowan | karsten: for what its worth I agree with the statement you hurled at me |
| 02:02.43 | carbocalm | q |
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| 02:03.11 | asg | karsten: yeah. I was thinking simple raid 1 mirroring. The box is acting like my old one; squid, bind, screen + irssi + mutt, exim4. We'll see. |
| 02:03.30 | scruffy | asg: got it working. I wasn't loading mod_mono.conf |
| 02:03.32 | maddash | fucking ati |
| 02:03.38 | asg | scruffy: ah, cool. Congrats. |
| 02:03.44 | eldowan | doesn't that hurt? all the copper and all? |
| 02:03.49 | eldowan | maddash: ^^ |
| 02:04.10 | scruffy | asg: well, not so fast.. hehe <%= DATE() %> is appearing on the index page |
| 02:04.10 | asg | eldowan: I'd be more worried about getting it caught in the fan |
| 02:04.12 | maddash | eldowan, eh, copper? |
| 02:04.22 | maddash | eldowan, oh, heh. no. |
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| 02:04.45 | eldowan | maddash: different strokes and all that I guess. ;) |
| 02:04.56 | maddash | eldowan: it keeps breaking my s2ram |
| 02:05.09 | eldowan | just upgrade to s3ram then |
| 02:05.12 | Dreamlinux | see ya all.. they cares.. folks.. bytes! |
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| 02:06.21 | jccf | i need help for mi debian sarge on ibook g4 ppc, nobody answer in #debianppc |
| 02:07.15 | vorpal | hi folks. it used to be ( with stock 2.4.X kernels ), that you could install a kernel-header package, and then build modules against a particular stock kernel. now in 2.6.X you need the built kernel tree in order to build additional modules. i don't suppose that debian is packaging such a beast? |
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| 02:08.22 | eldowan | how can I find the differences between the desktop, laptop, other installer options? i.e. which packages are installed for which task? sofar I have found this: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en but I would like more information on installed package specifics |
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| 02:08.42 | vorpal | the question is mostly academic. i realize that you could probably just install the packaged kernel source, and rebuild it |
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| 02:09.21 | karsten | eldowan: Examine the package dependencies. |
| 02:09.27 | karsten | eldowan: apt-cache show <package> |
| 02:09.42 | eldowan | karsten: I don't understand. |
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| 02:09.59 | karsten | eldowan: Understanding is a three-edged swort. |
| 02:10.02 | karsten | sword. |
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| 02:10.10 | eldowan | so is spelling :) |
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| 02:10.18 | vorpal | a three edged wort? |
| 02:10.28 | vorpal | ;-) |
| 02:10.39 | eldowan | how would examining the package dependencies show me what packages are being installed when I don' know how to find which packages to inspect against? |
| 02:10.42 | eldowan | karsten ^^ |
| 02:10.57 | karsten | vorpal: A vorpal blade, even. |
| 02:11.05 | karsten | eldowan: Feh! |
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| 02:11.26 | eldowan | hmmm. I wonder if karsten bites.. |
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| 02:11.38 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: the tasksel options list most of them; but they're really encoded into d-i |
| 02:11.49 | sussudio | %bear eldowan |
| 02:12.04 | vorpal | karsten, vorpal blades are great for wort removal :-) |
| 02:12.07 | eldowan | ooh, my favorite!! |
| 02:12.31 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: could you explain a little more? in the installer browsing taskel should show the packages? |
| 02:12.31 | dondelelcaro | I don't think you want a blade that goes snicker snak doing wart removal. |
| 02:12.41 | vorpal | hehe |
| 02:13.03 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: no; you'd have to actually look at the source code to d-i. In general, if you care which packages the task installs, you probably don't want to use the tasks, but want to use aptitude. |
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| 02:13.58 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: aah. I guess I find it quite odd that the installer or documentation wouldn't let a user find which packages are goign to be installed.. Thanks for the answer though. |
| 02:14.04 | asarch | How can I know what is my netmask? |
| 02:14.40 | dondelelcaro | asarch: ifconfig; tells you. It's an intrinsic property of your network. |
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| 02:15.00 | eldowan | asarch: ifconfig | grep Mask |
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| 02:16.23 | scead | hi thar, is there some sort of up-to-date website or wiki that explains the current status of nvidia in debian? everytime I go to upgrade or install nvidia drivers, the whole thing breaks. i don't actually remember a time that installing the nvidia package worked |
| 02:17.05 | asarch | eldowan: Thanks man |
| 02:17.10 | vorpal | scead, i've had better luck using the NVIDIA driver installer |
| 02:17.10 | asarch | eldowan: I owe you one |
| 02:17.20 | eldowan | I'll hold it to you asarch. :) |
| 02:17.31 | vorpal | scead, now i am bound to be lynched ;-) |
| 02:17.32 | asarch | eldowan: Sure |
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| 02:17.39 | scead | i am thinking about using the nvidia installer. i just finished downloading it |
| 02:17.55 | eldowan | scead: isn't there a debian proper installer? |
| 02:17.57 | scead | i just don't want to be in a worse situation than when i started :) |
| 02:18.15 | eldowan | scead: i would wait then. IIRC the nvidia binary has issues |
| 02:18.17 | scead | eldowan: apt-get install nvidia-glx etc etc.... but it breaks |
| 02:18.32 | eldowan | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:18.33 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 02:18.41 | eldowan | scead: did you try that? ^ |
| 02:18.46 | scead | yeah |
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| 02:19.06 | eldowan | scead: how about using m-a? |
| 02:19.53 | scead | the actual nvidia installer wasn't compatiable with the latest version of X, and people threw together some hax, and since that time, the nvidia drivers have not worked for me |
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| 02:21.01 | eldowan | scead: oooh. I've got nothing then. sorry |
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| 02:22.17 | Niriven | Ah asking here eldowan? |
| 02:22.31 | eldowan | Niriven: ?? I was |
| 02:22.43 | maddash | which module is suspending my laptop to ram when it is idle? |
| 02:22.53 | asarch | How can I restar the CUPS daemon? |
| 02:22.58 | asarch | *restart |
| 02:23.23 | eldowan | asarch: I know there is an easier way, but I do it by: /etc/init.d/samba-server restart |
| 02:23.36 | asarch | Samba? |
| 02:23.45 | eldowan | sorry, cupsys restart |
| 02:23.45 | asarch | What does Sambas has to with CUPS? |
| 02:24.25 | scead | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 but it is not installable |
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| 02:24.53 | scead | how can i check if it has the status "incomming" or whatever |
| 02:25.10 | eldowan | scead: please restate your question. |
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| 02:38.47 | ctgPi | A friend of mine wants to repurpose an old ThinkPad for running Excel (or the OO.org equivalent); however it has only 64 MB of RAM |
| 02:39.06 | ctgPi | Can Debian live on that much memory, os should I be looking at Damn Small Linux? |
| 02:39.32 | dondelelcaro | ctgPi: yes, it will work on that machine; it'll be a little slow, though. |
| 02:39.38 | rking | ctgPi: a better question is can OO.org live on it, which i doubt would be pleasant. gnumeric may be better |
| 02:39.55 | ctgPi | rking: yeah, I'll have to experiment |
| 02:40.15 | dondelelcaro | you'd probably be better off dropping in a bigger sodim though, if the laptop supports it. |
| 02:40.26 | ctgPi | rking: I'm going to setup fluxbox, and strip pretty much all daemons |
| 02:41.25 | rking | ctgPi: yeah, RES memory, as shown by top's `M` command, is probably the best indicator of what might be using resources |
| 02:43.26 | maek | does anyone know how to see the packages in the ~pstandard task? via task-sel |
| 02:43.33 | rking | ctgPi: "oleo is an X client and also runs on character-based terminals" <-- if you could run X-less, you'd be really sailing. |
| 02:44.27 | eldowan | maek: the ~pstandard? |
| 02:44.50 | maek | eldowan: yeah, and the ~pimportant and ~prequired |
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| 02:45.14 | eldowan | you *might* try looking here: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/tasksel/trunk/tasks/?rev=0&sc=0 |
| 02:45.23 | maek | thanks |
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| 02:45.32 | ctgPi_ | rking: this laptop is going to be used in a Windows environment, sadly |
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| 02:46.10 | ctgPi_ | rking: (and no wireless connectivity, so it's overall unfeasible) |
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| 02:46.24 | maek | eldowan: that only has the desc. thanks thought. |
| 02:46.33 | maek | im wonder if I should install standard on a new server |
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| 02:48.16 | niru | E: Couldn't find package acpi-modules-2.6.20-3-686-di |
| 02:48.30 | niru | This is the error I am getting while building the d-i |
| 02:48.38 | niru | I am getting connected to unstable |
| 02:51.21 | eldowan | maek: if you aren't sure, install standard, and use aptitude to install anything else you may need. |
| 02:51.50 | rking | ctgPi_: yeah, i donno, ouch i think. |
| 02:52.41 | ctgPi | rking: I'll see what I can do, thanks :) |
| 02:52.44 | niru | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 02:52.45 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.57 | niru | I dont understand how to proceed now |
| 02:53.40 | asarch | What does "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed" means? |
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| 03:04.53 | piztek3 | does anyone know how to edit the gnome-menu under lenny? |
| 03:05.51 | niru | piztek3, what u wann do |
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| 03:07.23 | smtlaissezfaire | I'm having troble with a shell script. Would someone be willing to help me out, or is there a better channel for this sort of thing? |
| 03:09.46 | Amarande | smtlaissezfaire, which shell are you using? |
| 03:10.15 | smtlaissezfaire | Amarande: bash. I want to modify the PATH variable globably. |
| 03:10.23 | smtlaissezfaire | Should I be doing it in /etc/profile ? |
| 03:10.36 | smtlaissezfaire | globally = that is, for all users |
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| 03:11.27 | smtlaissezfaire | Here is a pastie: http://paste.debian.net/29283 |
| 03:12.28 | smtlaissezfaire | But I get a syntax error ": command not found" |
| 03:12.39 | smtlaissezfaire | "-bash: /etc/profile: line 25: syntax error: unexpected end of file" |
| 03:12.47 | Amarande | try #bash |
| 03:12.59 | smtlaissezfaire | thanks Amarande |
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| 03:28.47 | scruffy | asg: okay, uncle. I'm going to convince him to convert 12 files to actual PHP (from Visual Basic) and rename the rest of the .asp files .php. |
| 03:29.21 | felix | hello |
| 03:29.32 | felix | a question. Do you know how to install Debian using a wifi card? |
| 03:30.01 | rking | good question |
| 03:30.05 | scruffy | asg: 11 files are just using <% DATE() %>! |
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| 03:32.05 | maek | how do I remove a pkg and any pkg that only it requires? |
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| 03:32.22 | piztek3 | bittorrent-gui isn't starting for me |
| 03:32.29 | dondelelcaro | maek: use aptitude and mark the dependencies as automatically installed, then remove the package. |
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| 03:36.35 | maek | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 03:40.38 | maek | dondelelcaro: would you mind elaberating on that, ive never used aptitude from the ncurses menu before |
| 03:41.45 | maek | im in the mail/main section and Id like to remove exim4 and anything that only it depends on. and I dont see anything that sounds like what you said under the actions menu |
| 03:42.30 | \amethyst | maek: find exim4, press enter to open it |
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| 03:43.49 | \amethyst | maek: in that page, highlight a dependency and type capital M to mark it as automatically installed |
| 03:43.58 | maek | \amethyst: ok, thanks. doing so |
| 03:44.27 | \amethyst | maek: do that for all the dependencies... now if you remove exim4, any of those packages that aren't used elsewhere will be removed themselves |
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| 03:45.09 | maek | \amethyst: thanks. so for example I have exim4-base highlighted but when I press M nothing happens |
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| 03:46.17 | \amethyst | maek: try pressing enter on it to expand it... |
| 03:46.48 | \amethyst | maek: you should see an "i A" to the left of the version number that appears below |
| 03:46.55 | maek | ok, I get a i A 4.63-17 under the exim4-base |
| 03:47.02 | \amethyst | maek: i for installed, A for automatically installed |
| 03:47.15 | maek | so that means its already set how I want it? |
| 03:47.51 | \amethyst | maek: when you pressed M, probably |
| 03:48.04 | \amethyst | maek: unless you installed exim4 with aptitude in the first place |
| 03:48.15 | maek | no, tasksel standard installed it |
| 03:48.27 | \amethyst | maek: So now when the last package that depends on exim4-base is removed, exim4-base will also be removed |
| 03:49.08 | maek | \amethyst: thank you very much |
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| 03:49.45 | \amethyst | maek: if you use aptitude to install packages, it will remember which ones were only pulled in because of dependencies, and mark them as auto |
| 03:49.55 | maek | but not apt-get |
| 03:49.56 | maek | ? |
| 03:50.08 | \amethyst | maek: Right. |
| 03:50.12 | maek | thanks. |
| 03:50.36 | \amethyst | maek: You can use debfoster to do something similar without aptitude |
| 03:51.00 | maek | \amethyst: to clean up the foster pkgs? |
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| 03:52.09 | \amethyst | maek: it's a wrapper for apt-get that does the same kind of auto/manual tracking that aptitude does |
| 03:52.26 | maek | so I would have to use it from the get go? |
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| 03:53.55 | \amethyst | maek: Yes, but you could use deborphan to find packages that are not depended on, and feed that list to "aptitude markauto" |
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| 03:54.11 | \amethyst | maek: after editing it, of course... some of the packages you want |
| 03:54.46 | maek | \amethyst: thanks for the schooling, I really appreciate the help. |
| 03:55.55 | \amethyst | maek: np |
| 03:56.14 | Decepticon | whats the size of bare minimum debian net-inst install |
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| 03:56.24 | Decepticon | 400-500 mb? |
| 03:56.29 | Decepticon | 300-400 mb? |
| 03:57.27 | Amarande | *shrug* I allocated 28GB to /usr and apparently that was way too much |
| 03:57.28 | nergar | how does lenny work? |
| 03:57.36 | Amarande | ok. someone tell me how this makes sense |
| 03:57.43 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.49 | nergar | i mean, when do new packages get to be on lenny? |
| 03:57.52 | Amarande | 24 + 2.5 = 28? |
| 03:58.12 | \amethyst | Decepticon: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 03:58.13 | Amarande | Last I thought, 24 + 2.5 = 26.5 |
| 03:59.03 | \amethyst | Decepticon: or did you mean the CD image? |
| 03:59.22 | Decepticon | umm.. i think i just meant the most basic type of install of debian typically taking up how much MB on hdd |
| 04:00.37 | \amethyst | Decepticon: then check out the page I linked... it says 225MB for a base install on i386, 353MB for a standard install |
| 04:00.45 | Decepticon | yeah im reading that too :) |
| 04:00.50 | Decepticon | thats amazing |
| 04:00.57 | Decepticon | :o |
| 04:01.09 | Decepticon | thanks for the link \amethyst |
| 04:01.22 | \amethyst | Decepticon: it will almost certainly be bigger for amd64 |
| 04:01.31 | Decepticon | and ps3? |
| 04:03.02 | \amethyst | Decepticon: What CPU is that? |
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| 04:03.03 | Decepticon | its like powerpc i believe |
| 04:03.15 | \amethyst | Decepticon: Probably a bit more, since it's 64-bit and RISC |
| 04:03.18 | j4cbo | the general-purpose processor in Cell is a ppc, yeah |
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| 04:06.51 | scead | !tell scead about nvidia |
| 04:07.01 | justnulling2 | i am running out or entropy for /dev/random and ssl blocked b/c of it, how can i speed it up? |
| 04:07.08 | scead | !dpkg nvidia |
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| 04:07.30 | Amarande | justnulling2, you need some sort of hardware object to give you randomness, I suppose |
| 04:07.48 | scead | !nvidia |
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| 04:07.57 | scead | bah. |
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| 04:08.38 | Amarande | try building something like this http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/hardware3.html |
| 04:08.50 | Amarande | warning: I am not responsible if you become a mutant |
| 04:08.51 | \amethyst | justnulling2: a server? |
| 04:09.06 | \amethyst | justnulling2: if you're sitting at it you can move the mouse |
| 04:09.57 | justnulling2 | amarande: yes, desktop is runnign ubuntu (with X) and takes 10-20 seconds to fill up entropy |
| 04:10.14 | justnulling2 | amarande: no mouse there :( |
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| 04:10.50 | justnulling2 | how can i switch ssl to /dev/urandom? |
| 04:11.07 | Amarande | don't do that. |
| 04:11.21 | koppernet | hi im new in debian ive try to copy the repository in apt guide but doesnt work im using etch can anbody paste here a repository of debian etch stable |
| 04:11.24 | Amarande | if you absolutely need randomness, try making a radioactive randomness source. And don't become a mutant. If you do, or get cancer, it's your fault not mine. :) |
| 04:11.28 | koppernet | thanks for reply |
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| 04:12.07 | koppernet | hi im new in debian ive try to copy the repository in apt guide but doesnt work im using etch can anbody paste here a repository of debian etch stable |
| 04:12.26 | scead | !tell me about module assistant |
| 04:12.36 | scead | how does this bot thing work |
| 04:12.48 | scead | !m-a |
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| 04:13.14 | maek | koppernet: http://pastebin.ca/524665 |
| 04:13.16 | Niriven | If something is marked as deinstall in dpkg --get-selections, when does it go away? |
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| 04:14.30 | scead | !tell me about module assistant |
| 04:14.31 | scead | !tell scead about module assistant |
| 04:14.42 | scead | !m-a |
| 04:15.25 | koppernet | maek thnaks |
| 04:15.47 | \amethyst | justnulling2: http://www.muc.de/~ak/rndfeed.c is a program to add entropy to the pool |
| 04:16.27 | \amethyst | justnulling2: from a file |
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| 04:17.06 | justnulling2 | amethyst: how is it better then urandom? |
| 04:18.08 | \amethyst | justnulling2: Because you can give it a true randomness source as input |
| 04:18.30 | nergar | !tell me about lenny |
| 04:18.39 | nergar | !talk to me |
| 04:19.23 | \amethyst | justnulling2: One possibility is a webcam in a shiny box with gain turned way up |
| 04:19.23 | nergar | :( |
| 04:19.23 | nergar | netsplit |
| 04:19.38 | nergar | again |
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| 04:20.50 | justnulling2 | amethyst: but i don't have any hardware that can produce noise |
| 04:21.29 | \amethyst | justnulling2: low-order bits from the voltage sensors? |
| 04:21.31 | bytekode | that netsplit was detectd |
| 04:21.31 | Stevie-O | LameScript Detected: bytekode @ n=byte@unaffiliated/bytekode |
| 04:21.32 | bytekode | lol |
| 04:21.43 | bytekode | ... |
| 04:21.49 | bytekode | netsplit detected |
| 04:21.55 | bytekode | hmm |
| 04:21.55 | bytekode | wonder what his trigger is |
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| 04:22.44 | justnulling2 | amethyst: how do i read that? |
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| 04:24.37 | nergar | how can i upgrade to gnome 2.16? |
| 04:24.44 | nergar | i'm using lenny |
| 04:25.44 | niru | hello nergar |
| 04:25.59 | niru | nergar, u wann to upgrade to 2.16 |
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| 04:26.06 | nergar | yes |
| 04:26.09 | niru | do apt-get upgrade |
| 04:26.11 | nergar | hello |
| 04:26.12 | \amethyst | justnulling2: a script that runs "sensors" every couple of seconds, parses out the last digit or so of each voltage/temperature, combines them in some way, and feeds them through that script |
| 04:26.22 | nergar | O_o |
| 04:26.34 | niru | nergar, did u get that |
| 04:26.34 | \amethyst | justnulling2: s/script/rndfeed/ |
| 04:26.43 | justnulling2 | i see |
| 04:26.45 | niru | apt-get upgrade will upgrade ur whole system to latest etch |
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| 04:27.01 | \amethyst | justnulling2: Problem is those numbers don't really have all that much entropy |
| 04:27.40 | \amethyst | justnulling2: probably a dozen bits per second at most |
| 04:27.43 | nergar | niru, i just did a apt-get dist-upgrade from etch to lenny and i didn't get 2.16 |
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| 04:28.23 | justnulling2 | amethyst: still it will be rather hard to duplicate that, wouldn't it be going a little paranoid? |
| 04:28.55 | niru | nergar, which repo did u connect to |
| 04:29.30 | nergar | niru, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:29.30 | nergar | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 04:29.31 | Coweater | nergar: there's a 2.16 package in experimental, which is of course experimental, just wait |
| 04:29.39 | nergar | :S |
| 04:29.49 | nergar | in experimental??? |
| 04:29.51 | \amethyst | justnulling2: If you're not paranoid, feeding it from ordinary files would probably be fine, as long as it's not always the same file |
| 04:29.59 | nergar | not even in unstable? |
| 04:30.04 | Coweater | correct |
| 04:30.11 | nergar | O_O |
| 04:30.11 | niru | nergar, but gnome 2.16 is available in etch |
| 04:30.25 | Coweater | niru: no it isn't |
| 04:31.03 | niru | Coweater, some of the gnome components for 2.16 are avaialbe in etch |
| 04:31.10 | niru | Coweater, but not complete |
| 04:32.31 | justnulling2 | amethyst: hmm i think the random is totally broken even when i feed with that script it doesn't go over 180 or so |
| 04:33.22 | nergar | can i change my source.list to experimental just to install gnome 2.16?? |
| 04:33.26 | \amethyst | justnulling2: how big a file are you feeding it with? |
| 04:34.15 | justnulling2 | amethyst: big (i assume /dev/urandom should be big enough) |
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| 04:35.10 | grendal_prime | why is it everytime i upgrade my open office, my spell checker seems to go right out the window.?? |
| 04:35.26 | \amethyst | justnulling2: reading from urandom is eating all that entropy you're adding |
| 04:35.36 | grendal_prime | and how the hell do i get it back? |
| 04:35.43 | justnulling2 | amethyst: or silly me |
| 04:35.46 | justnulling2 | oh* |
| 04:35.49 | bytekode | apt-get install entropy i think |
| 04:36.07 | nergar | can i change my source.list to experimental just to install gnome 2.16?? |
| 04:36.35 | ApEtc | nergar: Running with packages from different versions would be inadvisable. |
| 04:36.46 | grendal_prime | nergar: goodluck on that |
| 04:36.53 | \amethyst | ApEtc: That's the only way to run experimental packages |
| 04:37.01 | nergar | but it can be done? |
| 04:37.08 | ApEtc | \amethyst: Whoops, I read as unstable for some reason. |
| 04:37.11 | waqjan | in the apt-howto, there's a way to combine packages from different versions |
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| 04:37.33 | grendal_prime | im pretty sure your going to wind up with a few other important packages upgraded as well. |
| 04:37.49 | grendal_prime | just be prepaired, or build a second system to test stuff like that on |
| 04:38.14 | waqjan | you won't be able to downgrade easily, though |
| 04:38.21 | \amethyst | nergar: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version |
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| 04:38.52 | Guerin | nergar: please don't ask for support in here, if that's what you're doing |
| 04:39.02 | Guerin | nergar: you're on your own with this one |
| 04:39.15 | nergar | O_o |
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| 04:39.25 | nergar | ok, never mind |
| 04:39.34 | nergar | i won't do it |
| 04:39.40 | waqjan | how long would gcc take to compile on a 1.8 GHz machine? |
| 04:40.04 | \amethyst | waqjan: not enough information |
| 04:40.04 | Coweater | 3.273 hours |
| 04:40.12 | \amethyst | waqjan: How long would it take to catch twelve fish with a four-foot rod? |
| 04:40.17 | waqjan | what else do you need to know to make a prediction? |
| 04:40.33 | ryty | memory perhaps |
| 04:40.44 | ryty | kernel configurations |
| 04:41.01 | \amethyst | waqjan: I can't make a prediction myself, but someone who could would probably like to know your processor model, disk throughput, and amount/speed of RAM |
| 04:41.03 | justnulling2 | amethyst: ok works now, how big of a file do i need to generate enough entropy to fill it up (4k)? |
| 04:41.07 | ryty | whether the machine is going to be used while compiling |
| 04:41.26 | Guerin | waqjan: why are you compiling gcc? |
| 04:41.31 | ryty | and yes, disk parameters |
| 04:41.33 | nergar | i thought this was a community support channel, not commercial support with rules and limits |
| 04:41.47 | Guerin | nergar: it is, but we don't support blatant stupidity |
| 04:41.54 | liable | Guerin: cflags d00d |
| 04:41.55 | ryty | nergar: ha, funny. |
| 04:42.02 | waqjan | because the gcc that comes by default has a target=i486-linux-gnu |
| 04:42.12 | nergar | Guerin, stupidity?? |
| 04:42.16 | Guerin | liable: true ow. GOtta makes it compile faster programs eh? |
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| 04:42.22 | \amethyst | justnulling2: That program adds one bit of entropy for every 4 bytes in the file, so 16K should do |
| 04:42.34 | waqjan | I'm not fond of compiling |
| 04:42.40 | nergar | Guerin, i'f you don't try new stuff you never learn |
| 04:42.51 | ryty | waqjan: I wouldn't start on gcc then. |
| 04:42.56 | Guerin | nergar: yes, mixing distros is blatant stupidity, and using anything from experimental is the debian equivalent of driving drunk without a seatbelt, in fog, with no lights. |
| 04:43.13 | Guerin | nergar: baby steps. |
| 04:43.39 | waqjan | the problem isn't that. even a rough idea? |
| 04:43.53 | Guerin | ryty: you should have been using ipchains for the snow |
| 04:44.12 | grendal_prime | this just sucks the spell checker runs but pickes up nothing |
| 04:44.20 | Guerin | grendal_prime: oo.o? |
| 04:44.21 | nergar | Guerin, i feel sorry for you |
| 04:44.29 | Guerin | nergar: why? |
| 04:44.31 | ryty | Guerin: that's what I get for computing drunk. |
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| 04:44.42 | nergar | upgading a package is the same as driving drunk? |
| 04:44.46 | nergar | pfft |
| 04:44.49 | waqjan | more or less than 6 hours? |
| 04:45.08 | Guerin | nergar: no. It's comparable on a different scale. |
| 04:45.10 | justnulling2 | amethyst: thanks |
| 04:45.12 | \amethyst | Guerin: The implication that debian developers do the equivalent of driving drunk, perhaps? |
| 04:45.26 | Guerin | nergar: insert your stupid thing of choice for a personalised analogy |
| 04:45.28 | nergar | i'm just trying to learn, this is my PC not a government server or something |
| 04:45.48 | nergar | i can break up the system and learn from it |
| 04:45.54 | grendal_prime | Guerin: ya |
| 04:46.00 | Guerin | nergar: awesome. Go forth and learn. Just don't ask us to bail you out. |
| 04:46.07 | \amethyst | nergar: Read the entire apt-howto, and other stuff at http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 04:46.55 | nergar | because people like you, normal people hate linux geeks |
| 04:46.59 | \amethyst | nergar: If you ask questions about using a mixed distribution or experimental (or even unstable for that matter) without having read a fair bit of that stuff first, people here will flame you |
| 04:47.08 | grendal_prime | oo2.0 it says its spellchecking but its not picking up the mispelled stuff. |
| 04:47.16 | grendal_prime | its like it has no dictionary. |
| 04:47.24 | Guerin | grendal_prime: two possible things: 1. you have the document language set to something for which no dictionary is installed; 2. your document is written in a font which isn't installed, and you need to either change the font or install the correct one (a placeholder font can't be spellchecked for some fucking stupid reason) |
| 04:47.48 | Guerin | nergar: please to be fucking off now |
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| 04:48.07 | Guerin | nergar: because of people like you, people think free software is hard |
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| 04:48.26 | \amethyst | Guerin: What? |
| 04:48.31 | nergar | because i want to try new things ppl think open source is hard?? |
| 04:48.41 | nergar | and fuck u |
| 04:49.00 | nergar | i never insulted you |
| 04:49.19 | nergar | that shows your education |
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| 04:49.36 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 04:49.40 | Guerin | nergar: the point being that you make work for yourself, make yourself a broken system, and then spam internet message boards and irc channels saying `mai sistem is teh br0k, can u hlp me LOLZ' |
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| 04:50.09 | gonzaloaf | do you know what driver do I hve to use for the intel mainboard 945GNT ? the output of lspci is: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 04:50.11 | Guerin | nergar: you DID attempt to insult me, by drawing a false distinction between `linux people' and `normal people' |
| 04:50.28 | Amarande | nergar: you also used the F word |
| 04:50.35 | liable | gonzaloaf: should work out of the box with etch kernel |
| 04:50.39 | Guerin | nergar: anyway, the bottom line is this: experimental isn't supported in here. Use it at your own risk. |
| 04:50.46 | nergar | i never typed anything in leet |
| 04:50.56 | nergar | and just stop it |
| 04:50.58 | Amarande | you typed things like U and PPL |
| 04:51.06 | Amarande | U should be used only when referring to the letter U or to uranium. :P |
| 04:51.07 | nergar | you don't know when to stop |
| 04:51.09 | waqjan | nergar: what version you running now? |
| 04:51.15 | nergar | lenny |
| 04:51.54 | BarryAllen | hi all, im trying to mount an eltorito cd, but when i try to put my initrd into imgage boot, i have an message about no more left space... |
| 04:51.57 | gonzaloaf | liable, the problem is the microphone |
| 04:52.00 | nergar | btw by normal i just meant ppl who doesn't use linux |
| 04:52.01 | waqjan | what I can tell you from my experience is that unstable is good enough, experimental might not be |
| 04:52.05 | BarryAllen | somebody have some xpirience with that? |
| 04:52.14 | Guerin | !ppl |
| 04:52.15 | ryty | BarryAllen: what about right space? |
| 04:52.17 | liable | gonzaloaf: its turned up in alsamixer? |
| 04:52.29 | nergar | i never said you where a freak, bout if you feel like one, be my guesst |
| 04:52.32 | gonzaloaf | liable, yes |
| 04:52.42 | waqjan | also, do you use synaptic? I recall something in it that could help you selectively upgrade packages to unstable |
| 04:52.48 | Guerin | dpkg: hello |
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| 04:52.53 | BarryAllen | ryty space left sounds better to you? |
| 04:53.34 | Guerin | nergar: a freak? where? |
| 04:53.34 | ryty | BarryAllen: sorry, just a joke |
| 04:53.34 | ryty | lol |
| 04:53.58 | Guerin | waqjan: if you're going to advise people on how to break their systems, please do so elsewhere. |
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| 04:56.50 | maek | is there a tool to test which mirror is the fastest? im using usc.edu because its the physically closests but it seems slow. thanks |
| 04:57.07 | \amethyst | maek: apt-spy |
| 04:57.10 | Guerin | maek: apt-spy or netselect-apt |
| 04:57.21 | maek | \amethyst, Guerin : thanks :) |
| 04:58.13 | gonzaloaf | liable, I have added this line: "options snd-hda-intel model=xyz" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, but I need the xyz model for my computer, how can I find out it? |
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| 05:01.24 | pedro_mg | hi, Toshiba PII 350Mhz, 64Mb RAM... can take Debian ? |
| 05:02.30 | Guerin | pedro_mg: plenty |
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| 05:02.51 | Guerin | pedro_mg: add more ram if you want big apps |
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| 05:03.17 | liable | gonzaloaf: lspci -vv ? |
| 05:04.00 | liable | pedro_mg: dont try and run kde or gnome on it though |
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| 05:05.09 | waqjan | Guerin: sorry |
| 05:06.26 | pedro_mg | norc, it is a not in use laptop ;) I'll go for window maker or xfce |
| 05:06.47 | pedro_mg | then i'll upgrade it to max 192mb ram |
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| 05:07.15 | Guerin | pedro_mg: it would make an awesome x terminal over a wifi connection |
| 05:07.25 | Guerin | with even 64MB ram |
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| 05:07.33 | Guerin | (as long as it has battery) |
| 05:07.51 | pedro_mg | batt lasts about 30 min... |
| 05:08.02 | Guerin | mm, not so flash |
| 05:08.13 | pedro_mg | has a pcmcia rt200 wifi card |
| 05:08.20 | pedro_mg | rt2500 |
| 05:08.22 | Guerin | 2500? |
| 05:08.26 | Guerin | ferpect |
| 05:08.37 | Guerin | you should do that then |
| 05:08.48 | pedro_mg | sony__, for it, back to mutt, rtin, etc :) |
| 05:08.56 | Guerin | install a basic system on it, enable xdmcp on your main box, and rock to it |
| 05:09.17 | pedro_mg | xdmcp ? |
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| 05:10.15 | Guerin | pedro_mg: which enables a local x server to display apps on a remote machine |
| 05:10.23 | Guerin | err, other way around |
| 05:10.49 | pedro_mg | yes, i'm on http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/intro.html already ;) |
| 05:10.49 | Guerin | xdmcp and a bunch of apps on the main box, an x server on your laptop |
| 05:10.53 | Guerin | nice |
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| 05:12.54 | pedro_mg | ty ;) |
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| 05:20.13 | gpm | !beer me |
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| 05:20.36 | ozatomic | when compilign a program i get "g++: @DLL_EXPORT@: No such file or directory" |
| 05:20.43 | ozatomic | what package would i require for that? |
| 05:20.50 | \amethyst | ozatomic: compiling what program and how? |
| 05:21.04 | \amethyst | ozatomic: it sounds like the makefile or whatever didn't get generated properly |
| 05:21.07 | ozatomic | a program, and use ./configure then make and i get this error |
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| 05:21.16 | \amethyst | ozatomic: no errors from configure? |
| 05:21.20 | ozatomic | nope |
| 05:21.23 | smoked1_ | I just installed the apache2 and php5 package. PHP5 is working but where is the file to actually add the module in php5? |
| 05:21.31 | ozatomic | ./configure ran fine |
| 05:21.35 | smoked1_ | I am used to apache 1.3 |
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| 05:22.43 | \amethyst | ozatomic: what is it you're compiling that would be referencing @DLL_EXPORT@? |
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| 05:23.17 | gpm | smoked1_: i think you want /etc/apache2/modules* |
| 05:23.23 | gpm | check them out |
| 05:23.40 | gpm | but you should enable/disable via a2[en|dis] mod php5 or whatever |
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| 05:23.54 | gpm | 'scuse me, a2[en|dis]mod |
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| 05:24.45 | smoked1_ | there is no modules directory but there is /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 05:25.14 | gpm | sorry, i meant /etc/apache2/mods* |
| 05:25.14 | smoked1_ | Does it just enable whatever is in that directory? |
| 05:25.19 | gpm | -enabled, disabled |
| 05:25.31 | gpm | not disabled, available |
| 05:25.32 | gpm | ugh |
| 05:25.49 | gpm | anyway, a2enmod just symlinks the relevant file in mods-available to mods-enabled |
| 05:25.54 | gpm | and you have to restart apache, naturally |
| 05:25.59 | gpm | !tell me about enter |
| 05:26.01 | smoked1_ | but of course |
| 05:26.21 | smoked1_ | OK I just wanted to know so that I understand how it is working |
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| 05:27.02 | gpm | smoked1_: yeah, you could make the symlink yourself if you like |
| 05:27.02 | ozatomic | \amethyst: tis a game server |
| 05:27.02 | gpm | there was a conspicuous lack of documentation when i first switched to apache2, but i think it's better now |
| 05:27.04 | gpm | s/think/hope |
| 05:27.20 | smoked1_ | So if I want to disable it I would just do a mv php5.conf ../mods-available |
| 05:27.21 | smoked1_ | ? |
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| 05:27.43 | gpm | no, just a2enmod php5 |
| 05:28.13 | smoked1_ | wow they really changed things since 1.3 |
| 05:28.18 | smoked1_ | I have some reading to do |
| 05:28.34 | gpm | but the proper thing to do without a2enmod would be ln -s mods-available/php5.load mods-enabled/php5.load |
| 05:28.40 | gpm | you would do that from /etc/apache2 |
| 05:28.45 | gpm | smoked1_: make sense? |
| 05:28.56 | \amethyst | gpm: bad |
| 05:28.57 | smoked1_ | yeah it does. Thanks man |
| 05:28.59 | gpm | *don't* move the modules around |
| 05:29.12 | gpm | \amethyst: what, a2enmod? he wants to know what's happening "under the hood" |
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| 05:29.51 | gpm | *i* know i should just stick to a2enmod, but he asked what it does, and afaict that's what it does |
| 05:29.52 | \amethyst | gpm: should be ln -s ../mods-available/php5.load mods-enabled/php5.load |
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| 05:30.11 | \amethyst | gpm: relative symlinks are relative to the target, not the directory you're in |
| 05:30.22 | \amethyst | s/target/location of the link/ |
| 05:30.27 | gpm | or just use full paths |
| 05:30.31 | gpm | and never think about it |
| 05:30.38 | smoked1_ | good call |
| 05:31.05 | gpm | ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load |
| 05:31.20 | gpm | or, to make it really easy, just a2enmod php5 |
| 05:31.48 | gpm | but yeah, i messed up :( |
| 05:32.10 | smoked1_ | easy enough. I won't disable it of course but it's nice to know how |
| 05:32.24 | gpm | smoked1_: disabling would be a2dismod php5 |
| 05:32.29 | gpm | not removing symlinks |
| 05:32.30 | gpm | kiss |
| 05:32.46 | smoked1_ | I'll stick to using those commands then |
| 05:33.07 | \amethyst | It seems that a2enmod uses absolute symlinks, which I'm not entirely sure I agree with |
| 05:33.19 | gpm | meh, i trust the dd |
| 05:33.59 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: uh... no, it doesn't. |
| 05:34.16 | smoked1_ | If it works I am happy. I just need to know how and why so I understand or it bugs the crap out of me. |
| 05:34.42 | dondelelcaro | ln -sf ../mods-available/$MODNAME.$i $MODNAME.$i; <-- the exact line of a2enmod that enables modules... |
| 05:34.53 | smoked1_ | I suppose if I didnt care I would be using IIS |
| 05:34.55 | smoked1_ | :) |
| 05:35.11 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: aha, the machine I was checking on (still using 1.3 myself) was in fact running ubuntu not debian |
| 05:35.19 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: sorry |
| 05:35.30 | gpm | tsk tsk |
| 05:35.50 | smoked1_ | So how is the Ubuntu server edition anyway? I never tried it. |
| 05:35.58 | dondelelcaro | dunno; best to ask #ubuntu |
| 05:35.59 | \amethyst | I apparently don't have access to a debian machine with apache2 installed |
| 05:36.13 | \amethyst | smoked1_: I'm a user there not an admin, wouldn't know |
| 05:36.25 | smoked1_ | cool |
| 05:36.54 | smoked1_ | I have asked in #ubuntu before but of course they say that it is great. |
| 05:37.06 | gpm | maybe it is |
| 05:37.19 | dondelelcaro | well, most of us aren't enamored of it, otherwise we'd be in #ubuntu too |
| 05:37.33 | smoked1_ | true |
| 05:37.47 | gpm | even if we were enamored, #ubuntu would still need debian |
| 05:37.53 | gpm | and debian needs #debian |
| 05:37.55 | buu | donedeldeodenelcarlo! |
| 05:37.58 | gpm | so i'd still be here |
| 05:38.27 | buu | So anyway, I'm trying to run an xterm and I get the following error message: Xlib: Invalid XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 key (failed key comparison) |
| 05:39.00 | dondelelcaro | buu: most likely your .Xauthority has been smirkinized. Try restoring it from a backup if you've got one; otherwise, restart X. |
| 05:39.05 | buu | Hrm. |
| 05:39.12 | buu | I'm thinking X was automatically started. |
| 05:39.22 | buu | But then again, it doesn't seem to be. |
| 05:39.37 | \amethyst | buu: are you running xterm as the same user you logged in as? |
| 05:39.38 | smoked1_ | Thanks again guys. I am going to go play with my new server some more. |
| 05:39.44 | buu | $ X |
| 05:39.44 | buu | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 05:39.46 | gpm | why is moving things from disk to disk in nautilus so much slower than with mv? |
| 05:39.54 | buu | \amethyst: Mmm.. maybe? |
| 05:40.12 | dondelelcaro | buu: you'd have to be root to run X that way, but you should be able to start it with startx. |
| 05:40.21 | buu | dondelelcaro: Same error. |
| 05:40.41 | buu | Hrm.. |
| 05:40.47 | buu | xinit: Server error. |
| 05:40.47 | buu | xinit: Server errCouldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
| 05:41.56 | dondelelcaro | buu: if not, edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config and add allowed_users=console or similar. |
| 05:41.56 | buu | Ah. |
| 05:41.56 | dondelelcaro | buu: it's probably already there but commented out |
| 05:41.58 | dondelelcaro | (since the default configuration is to disallow startx, but use gdm or kdm or xdm or *dm) |
| 05:41.58 | buu | dondelelcaro: I was ssh'd in.. I caused xdm to log in on the actual box and everything started working again. |
| 05:42.37 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, you probably want to add a cp -f .Xauthority .Xauthority.bak to your .Xsession; I don't know how many times that's saved me an X restart. |
| 05:43.36 | buu | Huh. Ok. |
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| 05:44.56 | gpm | night all |
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| 05:52.08 | Impiety | what package do i install to get msn support for pidgin? |
| 05:52.22 | Impiety | i'm trying to find libnss or something but i can't seem to find it |
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| 05:55.32 | scead | hey, what does this mean: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol |
| 05:57.04 | Impiety | nevermind i figured it out |
| 05:57.17 | \amethyst | scead: means the version of the nvidia driver you're compiling uses a symbol that, at least in the version of the kernel you're building for, is marked as a GPL-only export |
| 05:57.33 | scead | is that a bad thing? |
| 05:57.56 | scead | gah, i just want to install nvidia drivers :P |
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| 05:59.38 | \amethyst | scead: did you compile your own kernel or modules, or is everything stock? |
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| 06:10.08 | rcbarnes | I'm using dar to back up my home dir, but it's already produced 36 GB of slices, and my home dir is only ~9 GB |
| 06:11.36 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:11.37 | dpkg | <peterS> abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
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| 06:16.27 | red | I can't for the life of me capture the output of 'time' in bash. I tried -o 'logfile' as it says in the man page and 2>1 redirects ... what am I doing wrong? |
| 06:16.36 | red | time echo 'something' |
| 06:16.37 | red | ??? |
| 06:16.54 | vorpal | 2>&1 |
| 06:17.47 | vorpal | or if you want to redirect stderr to a file: 2>file |
| 06:18.55 | yang | Does this mouse setting enables scroll bar in mozilla -> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 06:19.09 | vorpal | red, OK, this is because time is a bash built-in |
| 06:19.30 | vorpal | red, you can approach this more than one way |
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| 06:20.34 | vorpal | red, first, you can spawn a new shell, and redirect that output, for example with "sh -c time ...." |
| 06:20.57 | vorpal | red, also, there is a separate program /usr/bin/time |
| 06:21.34 | vorpal | the second option should allow you to redirect as you expected |
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| 06:22.40 | Zap-W | what's int10 X module |
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| 06:22.57 | indraveni | hi |
| 06:23.22 | indraveni | when I am trying to open, gnome-theme-preferences, I am getting an error message like |
| 06:23.34 | indraveni | The application "gnome-theme-manager" attempted to change an aspect of your configuration that your system administrator or operating system vendor does not allow you to change. Some of the settings you have selected may not take effect, or may not be restored next time you use the application. |
| 06:23.56 | indraveni | and thus its not letting me to change to any other theme, how can I rectify this error message? |
| 06:24.15 | indraveni | will any package uninstallation and reinstallation will solve the problem ? |
| 06:24.26 | indraveni | I am using debian etch, |
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| 06:25.53 | vorpal | indraveni, sounds like it is trying to do something that requires priviledges your account does not have |
| 06:26.40 | indraveni | vorpal, yes, |
| 06:26.52 | indraveni | vorpal, I tried in some many ways but so use |
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| 06:27.01 | indraveni | when I went into the details of this error message |
| 06:27.04 | indraveni | the message is like |
| 06:27.07 | bout | help my sound does work, what next |
| 06:27.22 | indraveni | Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/apps/metacity/general/theme' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path |
| 06:27.37 | vorpal | bout, RTFM, STFW, and... |
| 06:27.40 | vorpal | !smart |
| 06:27.40 | dpkg | [smart] the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 06:27.49 | vorpal | !smart-questions |
| 06:27.49 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 06:28.24 | indraveni | hi niru_ |
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| 06:29.26 | niru_ | hi indraveni |
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| 06:33.02 | ringo999 | hi has anyone managed to installed tomcat5.5 using aptitude? I think something is wrong with it... |
| 06:33.29 | nergar | i can't compile the driver for my wifi card, this is the error i get: http://pastebin.ca/524944 |
| 06:33.50 | bout | go to, u know where , because my sound now works |
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| 06:34.23 | ringo999 | also see here --> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-rc@lists.debian.org/msg102962.html |
| 06:34.23 | nergar | btw my wifi card is a RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
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| 06:35.01 | indraveni | where are my privililges going wrong? |
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| 06:35.11 | indraveni | does any package reinstallation solves this matter? |
| 06:35.44 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.50 | karsten | Hrm. s2disk returns: suspend: Could not stat the resume device file |
| 06:35.59 | Alam_Debian | nergar, what about the rt2500 source module package? |
| 06:36.05 | karsten | asarch: Hold a gun to its head? |
| 06:36.14 | asarch | LOL :-D |
| 06:36.17 | karsten | !tell ringo999 about polls. |
| 06:36.39 | karsten | ringo999: is that your post? |
| 06:36.41 | nergar | Alam_Debian, what about it? |
| 06:39.07 | nergar | Alam_Debian, whats that? |
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| 06:41.25 | nergar | can someone take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23380/ (not using ubuntu, pastebin.com is not working) and tell me what am i missing? |
| 06:42.00 | karsten | !kp |
| 06:42.00 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 06:42.07 | karsten | nergar: for starters ^^ |
| 06:42.14 | karsten | nergar: At least the deps. |
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| 06:43.07 | liable | nergar: did you install build-essential? |
| 06:43.42 | nergar | liable, yes |
| 06:43.44 | earthian | hello, i am trying to resize a partition, however i get an error in the process. Can somebody explain me what is wrong? I use parted and all the output/input in parted is in http://www.pastebin.ca/524950 |
| 06:43.58 | nergar | karsten, installing libncurs.... |
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| 06:44.51 | SoftIce | good day, has mod-security been removed from debian? |
| 06:44.59 | SoftIce | apache module |
| 06:45.31 | earthian | !find apache mod security |
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| 06:45.45 | karsten | !tell SoftIce about search |
| 06:45.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'apache mod security' returned no results. |
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| 06:46.02 | earthian | mh |
| 06:46.08 | karsten | !mod-security |
| 06:46.08 | dpkg | somebody said mod-security was see mod_security |
| 06:46.18 | earthian | !find :D |
| 06:46.19 | karsten | How ... recursive. |
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| 06:46.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of ':D' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/doc/man3/Class::Delegator.3pm.gz) in perl/libclass-delegator-perl ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtkextramm0.9-12c2/reference/GtkExtra::DirTree.html) in libdevel/libgtkextramm-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtkmm1.2-0c2a/gtk/{Gtk::Data.html|Gtk::Dialog.html|Gtk::DrawingArea.html}) in doc/libgtkmm-doc. |
| 06:46.25 | karsten | earthian: Yeah, that too. |
| 06:46.25 | \amethyst | SoftIce: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313615 |
| 06:46.33 | \amethyst | SoftIce: it was removed because of license problems |
| 06:46.37 | karsten | earthian: p0wn3d! |
| 06:46.43 | earthian | :) |
| 06:46.49 | SoftIce | dam I hate it when that hppane,s thanks \amethyst |
| 06:47.23 | earthian | ok does somebody know what kind of feature is enable on my root partition and how to disable it: http://www.pastebin.ca/524950 |
| 06:47.24 | earthian | ? |
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| 06:54.07 | karsten | earthian: No clue. |
| 06:54.16 | SoftIce | well that doesn't make sense about using BSD licene, as i'm reading the readme now and its stating GPL version 2 |
| 06:54.26 | karsten | earthian: GIYF |
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| 06:54.35 | SoftIce | so i cant see why mod-security cant be put back into the package manager |
| 06:55.21 | Guerin | SoftIce: the point is that the GPL is incompatible with the apache public license, under which apache is released |
| 06:55.45 | Guerin | SoftIce: anything which builds against apache source must be licensed with something APL-compatible |
| 06:56.24 | SoftIce | oh, i see |
| 06:56.43 | SoftIce | i thought it was refering to incompatibility with BSD license |
| 06:56.44 | JosefAss1d | GPL incompatible with Apache? Pre 2.0 maybe |
| 06:56.54 | earthian | karsten, GIYF? wtf is that? |
| 06:57.05 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: GNU GPL is known to be incompatible with previous and current |
| 06:57.07 | Guerin | versions of Apache license. |
| 06:57.40 | SoftIce | its fine its easy enough to install from source |
| 06:57.44 | SoftIce | just wondering... |
| 06:57.47 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: that's what the bugreport says. AFAIR the APL is modified BSD, but I can't call the modifications to mind so I can't say either way. |
| 06:57.53 | JosefAss1d | Guerin: I had educated myself a bit about this; I am responsible for a non-trivial Apache 2 licensed product. I recall that there was disagreement around the incompatibility, no certainty |
| 06:57.57 | Guerin | SoftIce: sure, kgo bananas. |
| 06:58.18 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: yes, that's also evident in the bugreport - it's debatable, not clear cut. |
| 06:58.51 | Guerin | earthian: Google Is Your Friend |
| 06:58.56 | JosefAss1d | Guerin: that was all the point I was making. :) I handle Mifos (mifos.sourceforge.net) so I'd better be clear about this kind of thing |
| 06:59.13 | earthian | Guerin, thanks and not thanks :D |
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| 06:59.30 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: heh, yep. I'm just an amateur. |
| 06:59.51 | JosefAss1d | Guerin: I'm a guy who will get his arse kicked if I don't know what I am doing, friend :) |
| 07:00.13 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:00.36 | JosefAss1d | Guerin: FWIW, apache 2 seems safer from a patent protection perspective. |
| 07:00.54 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: that was the point of it, yeah. |
| 07:01.03 | JosefAss1d | (and that seems to be the OSI's main issue with the compatibility question) |
| 07:01.18 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: GPLv3 goes further, but that change was quite forward-thinking in its time |
| 07:01.24 | JosefAss1d | yes it was |
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| 07:01.47 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: as far as I'm concerned the FSF, not the OSI, is the final arbiter of GPL compatibility |
| 07:01.55 | JosefAss1d | Guerin: no go make yourself that mucver! :) |
| 07:02.05 | Guerin | i shall |
| 07:02.08 | Guerin | with beer! |
| 07:02.09 | karsten | !giyf |
| 07:02.09 | dpkg | well, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux |
| 07:02.30 | JosefAss1d | Guerin: OSI maintain an excellent reource for licensing discussions which I don't see on FSF, mind you. Google for license-discuss. Minds far better than mine nitpick there |
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| 07:06.23 | Guerin | JosefAss1d: sure. The FSF do also publish a license compatibility resource; largely in accord with the OSI's. I just trust RMS more than ESR. |
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| 07:12.57 | lnc | argh mateys, I'm trying to install sarge on a Sony Vaio PCG-SR33 and it's complaining that it doesn't recognize the floppy controller |
| 07:13.36 | karsten | Guerin: Not that I disagree w/ you, but ESR's had very little to do with OSI for a while now, no? |
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| 07:14.22 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, I suppose. |
| 07:14.49 | Guerin | lnc: how do you know when you're a pirate? |
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| 07:19.48 | lnc | Guerin: because the RIAA tells me I am |
| 07:20.11 | Guerin | lnc: naw |
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| 07:20.38 | Guerin | lnc: you start out having to clean the bilge and polish the cap'n's wooden leg |
| 07:20.38 | Guerin | lnc: then you graduate to swabbing the decks |
| 07:20.47 | Xteven | hi, does anyone know of a way to run some script when I lock my screen (gnome) ? I would like to turn down the volume of my soundcard when I do it |
| 07:20.54 | Guerin | lnc: then they start letting you load the cannons |
| 07:21.12 | Guerin | lnc: then just when you start to think you'll never become a pirate, you just arrr. |
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| 07:25.12 | dimir | Moin |
| 07:26.18 | scead | \amethyst: everything is stock |
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| 07:26.44 | scead | \amethyst: i wouldn't mind compiling any modules... i just want it to work :P |
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| 07:28.55 | scead | \amethyst: i am trying to remember how i did it last time... i downloaded the nvidia installer and somehow made it output a .deb |
| 07:29.21 | scead | and just dpkg -i 'd it and it was all fine |
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| 07:32.00 | markybob | hello, my fellow geeks |
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| 07:34.22 | kawr | OT: what kind of server do u consider are best IBM or HP? |
| 07:34.28 | kawr | ops |
| 07:34.29 | |DuReX| | how can i give harddisk some load ? without using network card ? |
| 07:34.30 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 07:34.36 | kawr | OT: what kind of servers do u consider are best IBM or HP? |
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| 07:34.56 | Guerin | kawr: no |
| 07:35.09 | kawr | Guerin: no? |
| 07:35.14 | sep | !better |
| 07:35.15 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 07:35.37 | kawr | in terms of hwd robustness |
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| 07:35.56 | kawr | and reliability |
| 07:36.00 | sep | kawr, i dont know anyone that have that statistic. |
| 07:36.36 | kawr | mmm ok, and someone have experience in AIX and HP-UX? |
| 07:36.45 | JosefAssad | |DuReX|: run bogofitler on 30K emails in Maildir. Thank me later. Bitter experience. |
| 07:36.50 | kawr | I would like to hear some opinions of AIX and HP-UX |
| 07:37.03 | sep | kawr, both suck compared to debian. |
| 07:37.19 | |DuReX| | just want to write lik a 10gb file or something |
| 07:37.21 | |DuReX| | to harddisk |
| 07:37.21 | |DuReX| | ... |
| 07:37.22 | kawr | sep: I know but this is not my decision at work :( |
| 07:37.31 | sep | |DuReX|, whats stopping you ? |
| 07:37.36 | kawr | sep: we must choose between AIX or HP-UX |
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| 07:37.48 | |DuReX| | the command to do it ;) |
| 07:37.58 | sep | |DuReX|, man dd |
| 07:40.32 | sep | kawr, in that case i'd look at 1, what the apps you need to run would prefer, 2: what inhouse knowledge you have on them ,3: do you have local compay/consultants on either of them 4: compare lisence costs 5: why the heck so you ask about this in #debian ? |
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| 07:41.44 | JosefAssad | actually, if you need to choose between PHUX and AIX and go on IRC to ask, then maybe you need to acquire a consultant first |
| 07:42.05 | JosefAssad | (sorry if that sounds snarky; wasn't meant to be) |
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| 07:42.51 | sep | kawr, JosefAssad, that was actualy a very good advice. |
| 07:43.22 | JosefAssad | sep: for the sake of argument, I never recommend that organizations look at current skill pools for indications what tech they should invest in |
| 07:43.25 | |DuReX| | dd if=/dev/zero of=my.new.virtual.harddisk bs=1k count=1G |
| 07:43.29 | |DuReX| | gives 50% cpu load :( |
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| 07:43.36 | kawr | sep: I ask here because I usually use debian and I know that people here have a good knowlodge about servers in general terms |
| 07:43.54 | kawr | sep: sorry for the OT in any case |
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| 07:44.26 | ringo999 | hi, could someone please help me to install tomcat5.5? using aptitude i get an error message during configuration |
| 07:44.33 | sep | JosefAssad, ofcourse we are all individuals. |
| 07:44.46 | sep | kawr, never trust the advice of madmen on irc. |
| 07:45.17 | JosefAssad | sep: I worked in a place once where most of the engineers were rpg-only. Hardly creates opportunity for good alternative technology :0 |
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| 07:45.38 | JosefAssad | kawr: don't listen to sep. Commodore 64s are EXCELLENT |
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| 07:45.48 | kawr | JosefAssad: xDDDD |
| 07:46.03 | kawr | JosefAssad: ok I'll buy a commodore 64 cluster xD |
| 07:46.28 | JosefAssad | kawr: Don't forget the tape drive RAID |
| 07:46.49 | kawr | JosefAssad: sure loool |
| 07:47.00 | JosefAssad | bill's in the mail mate. |
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| 07:48.00 | tanlaan | are there any console pdf viewers? |
| 07:48.15 | tanlaan | or maybe some pdf to text programs? |
| 07:48.20 | JosefAssad | pdftotext file.pdf | less |
| 07:48.29 | JosefAssad | (surprisingly) |
| 07:48.50 | tanlaan | lol |
| 07:48.54 | tanlaan | kk, thanks |
| 07:48.59 | JosefAssad | most of these things are supercrap for anything other than a cursory read though |
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| 07:50.56 | |DuReX| | how can i check cpu frequency in linux ? does /proc/cpuinfo gets updated when it changes ? |
| 07:51.26 | JosefAssad | cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling |
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| 07:51.41 | scead | how can I check if a package is in the section "incomming" in unstable? |
| 07:52.17 | maston | next release? |
| 07:52.34 | maston | when will the next release be? |
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| 07:53.00 | maston | what's the diff between release and non-release? |
| 07:53.33 | maston | anybody's home? |
| 07:54.49 | waqjan | maston: released are made when they're ready |
| 07:55.22 | cydork | !siyh |
| 07:55.22 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 07:55.33 | Nesquick | hi there everyone |
| 07:55.42 | Nesquick | i have a litle problem in debian.. |
| 07:55.44 | waqjan | maston: generally, you'd want to use testing for home use |
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| 07:55.52 | Nesquick | when i try to insert ipip module |
| 07:55.59 | Nesquick | Error inserting ipip (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ipv4/ipip.ko) |
| 07:56.23 | Nesquick | on dmesg say something about |
| 07:56.24 | Nesquick | Error inserting ipip (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ipv4/ipip.ko) |
| 07:56.30 | tarzeau | the debian gnome and kde system is utter crap! |
| 07:56.33 | Nesquick | ups sorry... |
| 07:56.35 | tarzeau | menu |
| 07:56.37 | Nesquick | ipip: Unknown symbol xfrm4_tunnel_register |
| 07:56.37 | Nesquick | ipip: Unknown symbol xfrm4_tunnel_deregister |
| 07:56.37 | tarzeau | the menus |
| 07:56.53 | streuner | !tell Nesquick about paste |
| 07:57.21 | maston | waqjan: but wha's the diff? |
| 07:57.36 | waqjan | difference between what? |
| 07:57.56 | maston | release and non-release. |
| 07:58.22 | Nesquick | ok |
| 07:58.24 | Nesquick | but... |
| 07:58.27 | Nesquick | any ideea? |
| 07:58.27 | maston | tarzeau: if they are so, then what's left? |
| 07:58.34 | Nesquick | howto solve my problem? |
| 07:58.40 | tarzeau | maston: the debian menu system |
| 07:58.45 | Nesquick | i really dont wanna recompile the kernel |
| 07:58.47 | tarzeau | maston: it's great, all at one place |
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| 07:59.05 | tarzeau | maston: gnome and kde (crap freedesktop standard) is distributed everywhere |
| 07:59.12 | waqjan | generally, after a stable release is made, the packages in it don't receive updates execpt to fix security holes |
| 07:59.43 | maston | tarzeau: is that why you say they are crap, becos they are distributed everywhere? |
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| 08:00.15 | tarzeau | maston: yes because maintainers have to make TWO menu files, because the desktop menu files are inconsistently not at one place (the gnome kde ones) |
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| 08:01.34 | maston | tarzeau: but the debian menu system can work independently? is it text-based? |
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| 08:01.48 | tarzeau | maston: the debian menu package (the system) is great |
| 08:02.00 | tarzeau | maston: it works for everyone that supports it, packages are required to support it |
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| 08:02.21 | maston | tarzeau: i mean can it work without kde or gnome? |
| 08:02.40 | tarzeau | maston: man update-menus |
| 08:02.40 | tarzeau | maston: yes of course |
| 08:02.49 | tarzeau | maston: it works with most window managers that debian have, including gnome and kde |
| 08:04.11 | maston | tarzeau: if i don't install kde or gnome, what would i see? |
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| 08:05.12 | maston | tarzeau: you should be a tarzan and return to the jungle. you belong there. |
| 08:05.14 | tarzeau | maston: if you have menu installed you see a menu |
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| 08:09.26 | makkintosh[work] | hello all |
| 08:10.35 | makkintosh[work] | i need some help:) i have installed debian several days ago on my office Desktop computer. then i decided to install nessesery kernel update (was blinkin' in tray) no half of my software is not workin:( |
| 08:10.57 | makkintosh[work] | Open office says division to zero , opera - ld.so error.. |
| 08:11.01 | makkintosh[work] | what is wrong? |
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| 08:12.27 | JosefAssad | debian gnome has that annoying gnome applet also? with the updates? |
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| 08:14.56 | JosefAssad | heh, only 300 people registered for the conference I'm speaking at |
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| 08:24.44 | SoftIce | hmm, is there some apache string as to find what modules are loaded |
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| 08:24.58 | SoftIce | i know I can view what LoadModule directive was issued |
| 08:25.12 | SoftIce | but i'd like to know if a specific module is actually loaded |
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| 08:26.18 | makkintosh[work] | JosefAssad: yes. in gnome there is update applet |
| 08:26.27 | makkintosh[work] | i should remove it:( |
| 08:26.50 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: I like just having aptitude do its work from crontab |
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| 08:26.55 | makkintosh[work] | JosefAssad: how to find out the problem ,causing crashes of lotta problem? |
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| 08:27.35 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: I think the first step is to bring more clarity to the table. Specifics like distro, version, error symptoms, etc. |
| 08:27.37 | makkintosh[work] | JosefAssad: honestly i dont need updates so often :) i prefer to do that by manualy once in month:) |
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| 08:27.55 | makkintosh[work] | okay. Debian Etch. :) |
| 08:28.19 | makkintosh[work] | opera : $ opera ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.Floating point exception |
| 08:28.42 | makkintosh[work] | $ ooffice /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice: line 254: 24171 Floating point exception"$sd_prog/$sd_binary" "$@"** (process:24155): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ... |
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| 08:29.01 | makkintosh[work] | i only remember that was some kernel update. |
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| 08:29.17 | makkintosh[work] | $uname -a |
| 08:29.18 | makkintosh[work] | Linux konstantin 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:42:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:30.10 | qiyong | how to know what sasl implementation the postfix is using? |
| 08:30.11 | makkintosh[work] | JosefAssad: what else should i provide? |
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| 08:31.00 | scead | hi |
| 08:31.06 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: I would try reinstalling your java environment |
| 08:31.16 | nhuisman_work | I tell you, watching the people in #Linux makes you dummer. |
| 08:31.22 | scead | how can i force a package to be installed, even though it says it will have dependancy problems? |
| 08:31.44 | makkintosh[work] | apt-get remove sun-java5-jre then install again, right? |
| 08:31.46 | tarzeau | scead: dpkg -i --force-all the.deb |
| 08:32.14 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: I think so, yes. The opera error looks like java, and OO.o uses a lot of java also |
| 08:32.24 | makkintosh[work] | yeah u right. |
| 08:32.24 | scead | tarzeau: sorry, i mean through apt |
| 08:32.30 | tarzeau | scead: you can't |
| 08:32.36 | scead | oh |
| 08:32.39 | tarzeau | scead: fix the real problem |
| 08:32.51 | scead | its the nvidia driver issue |
| 08:32.55 | scead | it can't be fixed |
| 08:33.00 | tarzeau | scead: it's like you try to cut your finger with the knife and some mysterious force prevents you |
| 08:33.01 | scead | or I can't, anyway |
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| 08:33.21 | tarzeau | scead: and you want to cut your finger anyways? nuts |
| 08:33.21 | tarzeau | scead: the debian nvidia driver package? |
| 08:33.44 | tarzeau | scead: look i tell it the 1001st time now, the debian nvidia and ati drivers (the ones using the non-free one) are SHIT, they don't work |
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| 08:33.54 | tarzeau | scead: go file a bugreport , see !BTS |
| 08:34.02 | tarzeau | scead: or do install it yourself. period |
| 08:34.08 | scead | tarzeau: i want the nvidia-glx, and it depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755, but because of some thing gpl or something, it will be a while before its fixed |
| 08:34.17 | scead | tarzeau: there is already a bugreport |
| 08:34.22 | tarzeau | scead: because their maintainers can't fix it, it's broken |
| 08:34.24 | tarzeau | scead: so? |
| 08:34.33 | scead | so, thats why i want to force it? |
| 08:34.56 | scead | because i installed the nvidia driver manually, and i'd like that package too |
| 08:35.08 | tarzeau | scead: no, personally i use the nvidia binary drivers , it works |
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| 08:35.21 | tarzeau | scead: we do so automatically using www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver for about 50 systems |
| 08:35.27 | scead | tarzeau: im using nvidia binary drivers |
| 08:35.37 | tarzeau | scead: well dunno, i can't help you, buggerer the debian maintainer if it's the package that has problems |
| 08:35.41 | scead | hold on a tick... i thought glx were userland libraries |
| 08:35.50 | tarzeau | scead: you can't use nvidia binary drivers AND debian nvidia driver stuff |
| 08:36.04 | tarzeau | scead: nvidia has them already? |
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| 08:36.18 | scead | hmm, let me try something |
| 08:36.20 | tarzeau | scead: no need to try to have two software things overwrite each other files? |
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| 08:36.36 | coldsteal | hello |
| 08:37.08 | coldsteal | any of you know if i can get beryl on testing? |
| 08:37.29 | tarzeau | coldsteal: no |
| 08:37.40 | tarzeau | no pony for you! |
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| 08:38.08 | makkintosh[work] | JosefAssad: both programs show same error even without java:) well. after installed java back - nothing changed |
| 08:38.09 | coldsteal | really |
| 08:38.47 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: that'ß how far my roubleshooting mojo will get you, I'm afraid |
| 08:39.01 | makkintosh[work] | i see |
| 08:39.04 | ma3x | hi. when I do mondorestore - it shows me /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.0.0.8 (not sure if exactly typed). and it says it's in archive #59. I tried to afio -i that archive and it's not extracting that file. Mondo doesn't extract it too. I pasted the errors: http://pastebin.ca/525200 does this mean the backup is corrupted? and what do I do? |
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| 08:39.27 | tarzeau | hey ma3x |
| 08:39.34 | ma3x | hey tarzeau ! |
| 08:39.39 | scx | does ntop has to run as root? |
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| 08:40.08 | ma3x | tarzeau, can I send you a 8M file and you try and see if you can recover /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.0.0.8 from it |
| 08:40.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: post an url to it? bzip2 has some recover tools |
| 08:40.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: but i don' |
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| 08:40.47 | tarzeau | but really i don't know anyone doing backups w/ bzip2 |
| 08:40.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, can I upload it on some site? I 'm currently on live cd |
| 08:41.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: don't use bzip2 on backups, it's terribly slow, use gzip or don't use compression |
| 08:41.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: no i don't have a public upload server, but you can try googlepages.com |
| 08:41.28 | ma3x | tarzeau, sure, won't mind if it's with adds? |
| 08:41.30 | tarzeau | they have ftp |
| 08:41.41 | tarzeau | no i don't care, just post the url to it, it's without adds |
| 08:41.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: make a googlepages, upload file, post url to the file. all without adds |
| 08:42.46 | makkintosh[work] | JosefAssad: anyway something with java according to jvm.so in opera:) |
| 08:43.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: do you know the bzip2 recovery tools? and do you know you shouldn't make backups with bzip2? |
| 08:44.06 | ma3x | tarzeau, I didn't know |
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| 08:45.33 | ma3x | tarzeau, I don't remember the password of my google, it was in my /etc/fstab (fuse) but it got away now :) |
| 08:45.35 | rahul | wee. |
| 08:45.52 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: that _is_ how it looks to me, yes |
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| 08:46.51 | makkintosh[work] | that's bad cuz we have java parts in our application and im afraid once it would be nessesry:( |
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| 08:47.13 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: try to disable java |
| 08:47.19 | makkintosh[work] | where? |
| 08:47.32 | JosefAssad | makkintosh[work]: one way to do this would be to comment out the plugin paths in ~/.opera/pluginpath.ini |
| 08:47.41 | JosefAssad | (I suppose) |
| 08:47.50 | scx | 'cause doesn't seem to run otherwise... |
| 08:48.22 | makkintosh[work] | okay. (btw "quickfit", is working, java application i mean) |
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| 08:49.38 | makkintosh[work] | wow i see in google lotta questions about that |
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| 08:50.00 | makkintosh[work] | Skype, Opera and OpenOffice.org won't start [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums... seem to be common problem for debian |
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| 08:50.23 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: ubuntu forums? debian problem?? |
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| 08:50.29 | cydork | WTF? |
| 08:50.58 | sussudio | spambot? |
| 08:51.14 | makkintosh[work] | cydork: well i see debian and ubuntu forums in google on this request |
| 08:51.43 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: first of skype and opera are not debian problems. |
| 08:51.55 | makkintosh[work] | yes |
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| 08:52.20 | makkintosh[work] | but only users of debian and ubuntu has such problems:) |
| 08:52.20 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: now do dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 08:52.24 | makkintosh[work] | $ dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 08:52.24 | makkintosh[work] | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 08:53.16 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'm not google, i can't reset your google account |
| 08:53.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: please contact google about your google problems |
| 08:53.26 | ma3x | tarzeau, hold on, i'm uploading it |
| 08:53.32 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: so now what is your problem releted to debian :) |
| 08:53.57 | ma3x | tarzeau, http://rweiugn.rwb.googlepages.com/59.afio.bz2 |
| 08:54.24 | makkintosh[work] | cydork: now i didnt got what u mean:) |
| 08:55.05 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: what's the problem with openoffice? |
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| 08:55.25 | makkintosh[work] | wait. i will post to dpaste |
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| 08:55.32 | tarzeau | ma3x: google's slow: 10:55:02 (464.90 KB/s) - `59.afio.bz2' saved [6160384/6160384] |
| 08:55.40 | Alex1 | hello, someone have a default mplayer.conf of etch's mplayer package? |
| 08:55.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: 59.afio.bz2: ASCII cpio archive (pre-SVR4 or odc) |
| 08:55.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: that's what file says. file doesn't lie. |
| 08:55.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: whoever or whatever called the file .bz2 is wrong, buggy and should be kicked |
| 08:56.04 | makkintosh[work] | cydork: |
| 08:56.05 | makkintosh[work] | http://dpaste.com/11377/ |
| 08:56.09 | ma3x | tarzeau, what's your point? cpio archive? |
| 08:56.14 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's not a bz2 file |
| 08:56.14 | ma3x | tarzeau, I use afio -i to extract it |
| 08:56.20 | ma3x | tarzeau, I know |
| 08:56.26 | tarzeau | ma3x: then don't name it wrong |
| 08:56.33 | ma3x | tarzeau, I didn't! mondo did |
| 08:56.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: file a bug |
| 08:56.53 | ma3x | tarzeau, it was the older version (the one currently in stable) |
| 08:57.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: i'm installing afio now to help you |
| 08:57.11 | ma3x | tarzeau, you are so kind :p |
| 08:57.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: i get the same error msgs like you |
| 08:57.51 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't know afio, but i know cpio (which had very ugly data lossing bugs) |
| 08:57.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't use neither |
| 08:58.06 | ma3x | tarzeau, well? file damaged? lost forever? |
| 08:58.07 | tarzeau | why don't you use gnu tar? |
| 08:58.15 | tarzeau | no idea, maybe it can be fixed, i just don't know |
| 08:58.30 | ma3x | tarzeau, uhm ok, I'll try reinstalling then :( |
| 08:58.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: that's your hobby, isn't it? |
| 08:58.57 | ma3x | tarzeau, no, just a habbit and I hate it |
| 08:59.08 | tarzeau | ma3x: do you know you can autoinstall debian using preseeding? |
| 08:59.21 | tarzeau | ma3x: i mean completely automatic, with the packages you want, with netboot(pxe) |
| 08:59.23 | ma3x | tarzeau, you mean the net install? |
| 08:59.27 | ma3x | oh, how? |
| 08:59.28 | tarzeau | no, the automatic net install |
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| 08:59.43 | ma3x | my laptop has this option netboot pxe |
| 08:59.47 | ma3x | what do I have to do? |
| 08:59.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed?highlight=%28preseed%29 |
| 08:59.55 | ma3x | how would it load the network drivers? |
| 09:00.01 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: what did you upgrade before that? |
| 09:00.04 | tarzeau | ma3x: install a server, with dhcp3-server and tftpboot |
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| 09:00.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: on the client, say 1st boot device = network/pxe |
| 09:00.19 | ma3x | tarzeau, I have only 1 computer |
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| 09:00.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: oh :( can you get another one, it can be anything |
| 09:00.42 | coldsteal | anyof you have a thinkpad x40? |
| 09:00.46 | ma3x | heh, nope |
| 09:00.48 | tarzeau | coldsteal: and then? |
| 09:00.52 | makkintosh[work] | cydork: some update for kernel. unfortunately i didnt pay attention to what exactly. |
| 09:00.59 | ma3x | tarzeau, no problem I'll reinstall it from netinstall |
| 09:01.04 | makkintosh[work] | but things changed after reboot. so i think that was linux-image |
| 09:01.16 | liable | Alex1: it has a default one? in /etc? |
| 09:01.32 | liable | so it does.. |
| 09:01.40 | liable | Alex1: did you delete it? |
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| 09:02.00 | ma3x | tarzeau, in meantime if you find a way to extract that archive, please tell me. the half of those are corrupt. so if one is recoverable, my system can be recovered |
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| 09:03.26 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: strange.. check bugs.debian.org see if you can find anything. |
| 09:03.44 | makkintosh[work] | cydork: i found something about ati drivers. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=70728&sid=dd57af1bd136123316a266fed2a19d69 |
| 09:03.52 | makkintosh[work] | they cause opera crash... |
| 09:03.59 | liable | i wish the bastards would release a new one |
| 09:04.07 | pego | hi any simple solution for use evms and standar kernel image 2.6.18 at boot ? |
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| 09:04.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: no idea, i'm going to eat now |
| 09:04.46 | Alex1 | liable i install a new version using automatix and i overwrite it |
| 09:04.51 | tarzeau | ma3x: i would not use mondo or bzip2 or afio/cpio for backups |
| 09:04.51 | Alex1 | so i need the old one |
| 09:04.52 | ma3x | tarzeau, e guete |
| 09:05.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: start from scratch use rsync, tar+gzip, tar or something like that |
| 09:05.15 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: ahh ok.. and try rm -r ~/.openoffice and try openoffice again. |
| 09:05.16 | liable | Alex1: so reinstall the old version |
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| 09:05.39 | makkintosh[work] | cydork: with another user already. nothing changed :( |
| 09:05.52 | vyrus001 | how do i get dual monitor suport on my geforce 5600? |
| 09:06.02 | liable | Alex1: you really should ask the ubuntu folks, they should know whats the problem, or check its bug reports |
| 09:06.23 | Alex1 | liable i need only the default debian conf |
| 09:06.26 | scx | Would someone please run: ls -l /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db and tell me what username and group it has? |
| 09:06.31 | Alex1 | not more |
| 09:06.34 | scx | I have root.root |
| 09:06.42 | scx | not sure it is correct |
| 09:06.54 | liable | Alex1: just install the old package, it should be in you cache unless you cleaned it |
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| 09:07.29 | makkintosh[work] | please remind me the name of ati drivers' packages in debian? i want to remove them |
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| 09:09.30 | liable | fglrx-source, but it makes lots of packages, dpkg -l|grep fglrx |
| 09:09.52 | makkintosh[work] | yeah found it:) ty |
| 09:10.15 | makkintosh[work] | ok. now going to remove:) |
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| 09:14.04 | unix_infidel | anyone know of a cross platform cd ripper? |
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| 09:15.10 | Chris-NB | hi |
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| 09:18.57 | valdyn | unix_infidel: for ripping audio cds? |
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| 09:19.37 | makkintosh[work] | cydork: yo! it worked |
| 09:19.48 | makkintosh[work] | ati sux |
| 09:19.51 | makkintosh[work] | forever |
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| 09:20.01 | cydork | makkintosh[work]: great!! |
| 09:20.07 | makkintosh[work] | ty :) |
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| 09:20.24 | unix_infidel | valdyn: correct |
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| 09:22.00 | valdyn | unix_infidel: the cdrtools are generally cross platform |
| 09:22.00 | valdyn | unix_infidel: makes 'cdda2wav' to rip, that's a cli tool, no gui, runs anywhere |
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| 09:27.09 | enouf | scx: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12355 2007-02-05 17:47 /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db |
| 09:27.22 | scx | enouf: Ah thanks |
| 09:27.44 | scx | enouf: I found what the error was, I forgot to changge eth0 to eth 1 :p |
| 09:27.55 | scx | *slap |
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| 09:29.25 | enouf | scx: heh |
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| 09:29.38 | valdyn | [OT]im looking for a mainboard with 2 pcie 4x slots and intel gfx, is there ANY website/vendor where i can filter by those features? |
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| 09:30.21 | enouf | valdyn: newegg.com allows for searches via filters |
| 09:31.30 | enouf | valdyn: it's usa only though .. afaik |
| 09:31.31 | cydork | valdyn: #hardware might know |
| 09:31.47 | enouf | well, you might find out the model, and look locally then too |
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| 09:32.55 | breakerfall | hi |
| 09:33.24 | breakerfall | how would I update the environment in debian? Something equivalent to gentoo's env-update ? |
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| 09:35.54 | breakerfall | better yet, does anyone have a link to a decent guide on converting a debian system to UTF-8 ? |
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| 09:36.06 | valdyn | We have found 0 items that match your search. |
| 09:36.06 | valdyn | to bad i cant filter by pcie slots there either |
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| 09:37.00 | valdyn | breakerfall: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 09:38.14 | enouf | valdyn: at the egg? |
| 09:38.40 | enouf | 2x PCIe x4 is rare .. iinm |
| 09:38.56 | valdyn | breakerfall: then there's utf-8 migration tool for texts |
| 09:38.56 | valdyn | breakerfall: and probably filenames |
| 09:39.03 | valdyn | enouf: yea, well, it doesnt have to be 4x, can be faster too |
| 09:39.06 | enouf | valdyn: IINM you can slip a x4 into a x8 or x16 slot and use it |
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| 09:39.12 | valdyn | enouf: but i can only search 16x on newegg |
| 09:39.19 | enouf | eww |
| 09:39.38 | enouf | haven't been there looking for mobos in a while |
| 09:40.04 | valdyn | enouf: this is for a storage server, but im not going to buy server hardware ( no pci-x ) |
| 09:40.16 | enouf | uuencode/uudecode for utf8? (guessing) |
| 09:40.40 | enouf | valdyn: righto |
| 09:40.44 | breakerfall | valdyn, that's good thanks |
| 09:40.49 | breakerfall | I don't need to convert any files |
| 09:40.50 | breakerfall | just the system |
| 09:42.02 | valdyn | breakerfall: look at utf8 migration tool anyway, it does a few more things you might want |
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| 09:42.38 | breakerfall | thanks =] |
| 09:43.02 | enouf | cat /etc/environment and run locale |
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| 09:43.15 | breakerfall | enouf, I've done that |
| 09:43.19 | breakerfall | I've set it to utf-8 now |
| 09:43.26 | enouf | printenv in a shell will show you some stuffs too |
| 09:43.43 | breakerfall | LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 09:43.44 | breakerfall | #LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 09:43.44 | breakerfall | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 09:44.02 | breakerfall | and en_US.UTF-8 also shows in locale -a now. |
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| 09:44.55 | enouf | breakerfall: this might be helpful overall http://www.inter-locale.com/whitepaper/learn/learn_to_type.html#configUnix |
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| 09:45.48 | enouf | !keymap |
| 09:45.48 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
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| 09:47.04 | appelza | hi guys, what do i type at the boot prompt of the cd to get memtest86 running? |
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| 09:47.35 | sep | appelza, try F2 F3 F4 etc |
| 09:48.31 | appelza | so its not a command? |
| 09:48.32 | appelza | will try |
| 09:48.48 | sep | appelza, no those are the help pages |
| 09:50.33 | appelza | k tnx |
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| 09:52.30 | sobersabre | hi. I am trying top mirror the debian mirror. |
| 09:53.16 | sobersabre | with debmirror. I've successfully downloaded all the regular data, but when I'm trying to get security.debian.org updates, it fails, saying wrong md5 sum |
| 09:53.54 | sobersabre | [100%] Getting: dists/etch/updates/Contents-i386.gz # failed:Failed to open file. |
| 09:53.58 | sobersabre | this is the output. |
| 09:54.31 | sobersabre | any ideas? |
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| 10:03.08 | cryptos | i have a Ati X700 and i want to see a divx on TV (with tv-out) and with driver XV, i now use ATI DRIVER 8.36.5, but when i play the movie i see it not in full screen on tv, my section "Device" is it: http://rafb.net/p/QEVJX496.html |
| 10:03.33 | cryptos | i'm italian, excuse me for my english |
| 10:04.10 | Esaj | is it possible to spoof the sent date of an email? |
| 10:05.02 | lymeca | I run a server behind a firewall, the latter which I do not control and cannot view the settings of. Is there a better way of testing if a given TCP or UDP port is opened inbound to my server in the firewall settings, other than starting a server (like apache or something) on a given port and testing if an outside client connection times out or not? |
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| 10:08.35 | jerome | how could I list all running X clients from a remote ssh connection ? |
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| 10:09.28 | jerome | I'd like to check if no error was returned by nautilus but ps won't let me see the clients or transcient windows as processes. |
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| 10:33.42 | mass0ud | Hello |
| 10:33.59 | mass0ud | Is there any manual explaining the installation process of a Wiki? |
| 10:34.37 | breakerfall | mass0ud, surely the installation instructions will be specific to each wiki and contained on the respective wiki's website |
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| 10:35.33 | mass0ud | OK |
| 10:35.42 | mass0ud | So any indications about which wikis are suitable for a small site ? |
| 10:35.51 | mass0ud | I didn't find any article regarding this topic |
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| 10:37.11 | tarzeau | mass0ud: i like moin |
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| 10:37.26 | tarzeau | mass0ud: it's very simple, read the README.Debian of it |
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| 10:42.02 | pa | hello |
| 10:42.17 | pa | stupid question: do you know a repository with a skype deb package? |
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| 10:42.45 | Althaser_ | pa go to the official website ;) |
| 10:43.01 | pa | is there skype in the official repository? |
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| 10:43.46 | pa | oh |
| 10:43.48 | pa | yep |
| 10:43.54 | pa | but there isnt .deb packages |
| 10:43.59 | pa | i already went there |
| 10:44.09 | toicontento | there are |
| 10:44.20 | pa | oh.. |
| 10:44.24 | pa | i recheck |
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| 10:44.46 | pa | http://www.skype.com/intl/it/download/skype/linux/ |
| 10:44.48 | pa | look |
| 10:44.51 | pa | no .deb |
| 10:44.57 | Althaser_ | pa http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb |
| 10:45.05 | pa | oh thanks! |
| 10:45.19 | pa | thanks a lot! |
| 10:45.23 | pa | it was not advertised :) |
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| 10:45.30 | wfq | hi friends |
| 10:45.52 | toicontento | http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/repositories.html |
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| 10:47.31 | pingouin | what are/is the free alternative(s) to skype ? |
| 10:47.42 | pa | openwengo i thinlk |
| 10:47.49 | wfq | My grub is gone and I took it back. The problem is I am getting the typical problem with "file not found" when I try to start Linux. I have just got one hard disk and my linux partition is over hda3, so on the grub file I have to write something like (hd0,2).. haven't I? |
| 10:47.52 | pa | but id ont know how well it works |
| 10:48.05 | toicontento | pingouin, there are many free SIP software |
| 10:48.24 | pa | what about openwengo, toicontento? |
| 10:48.43 | pingouin | ok toicontento , pa, thanks for clues |
| 10:48.52 | toicontento | pa, look's ok, but the problem is that skype is too popular |
| 10:49.00 | pa | yep :/ |
| 10:49.04 | pingouin | as usual |
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| 10:50.35 | pa | well we cant complain too much |
| 10:50.40 | pa | it works well and it's free |
| 10:50.41 | wfq | hd0,2 means first disk third device on it, isn't? |
| 10:51.51 | liable | wfq: yes |
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| 10:52.33 | wfq | strange then |
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| 10:53.04 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 10:53.13 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 11:01.53 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 11:03.26 | paul___uk | hello? |
| 11:03.30 | xand | HELLO! |
| 11:03.40 | paul___uk | cam i enquire as to some help? |
| 11:03.47 | wintix | !ask |
| 11:03.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:03.47 | xand | !ask |
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| 11:04.49 | soenke | hi |
| 11:04.51 | liable | i think they want you to ask a question ;) |
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| 11:06.03 | paul___uk | i have a problem modules loading at boot. I am running debian etch. i have tried to install the nvidia module. when it boots it tells me it cannot insert the nvidia module because nvidiafb is already loaded and has ownership of the device. How can i stop nvidiafb loading at boot so it can load the module i want? |
| 11:06.19 | soenke | i want to do a network install. i downloaded the installation image from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ and the boot suceeded, however now it searched for cd-rom media. how can i tell the installer that i want a network install? is it the wrong files? |
| 11:06.25 | Nazcafan | I am using lenny, and whenever I read certain pages that have transparency on firefox (like the gallery on this page : http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=520F94DC&node=home/macbook/macbook) my CPU load becomes huge for some seconds and even audacious pauses for a while, I think an option for hardware transparency is missing somewhere in my xorg.conf, but I am a total newbye on this topic |
| 11:07.03 | Nazcafan | Is anyone experiencing similar issues ? |
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| 11:11.16 | alleyoopster | hi, Icedove - i have installed french and english language pack extensions but only french and 2 x US show up in spell check. What can I do to manually change this? |
| 11:11.25 | alleyoopster | is there a manual way of removing US spellcheck and adding UK? |
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| 11:12.51 | alleyoopster | who supports moz extensions on Icedove? |
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| 11:13.44 | tarzeau | alleyoopster: #mozilla maybe? |
| 11:14.48 | paul___uk | so how do i stop the nvidiafb module from loading at bootup? |
| 11:14.51 | alleyoopster | tarzeau: tried on #thunderbird on there irc but no answer |
| 11:15.13 | tarzeau | alleyoopster: i'm not the police to put them in jail when they don't help you |
| 11:15.21 | alleyoopster | tarzeau: shame |
| 11:15.24 | tarzeau | alleyoopster: but i'm a guy that knows all mozilla software is a monster and crap |
| 11:15.32 | tarzeau | alleyoopster: therefore i simply don't use their software |
| 11:15.57 | tarzeau | paul___uk: remove it from the filesystem? or put it to the blacklist? |
| 11:16.12 | alleyoopster | tarzeau: erm ok, well so what would you suggest, claws? |
| 11:16.22 | vyrus001 | does anybody know what drivers are to be used for a pcmcia 8241-wd? ive tried all the in kernel intersell ones and to no avail |
| 11:17.42 | paul___uk | putting it on the blacklist seems to have no effect. i cant delete it from the system because it is in use. where is it that m odules are specified to load at boot? |
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| 11:19.49 | tarzeau | alleyoopster: i use GNUMail.app (mail) and links2 -g (browser) |
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| 11:23.46 | JosefAssad | dovecot-imaps + $MUA_OF_YOUR_CHOICE + fetchmail + procmail + bogofilter + postfix |
| 11:24.20 | JosefAssad | agree with tarzeau about mozilla products. Can't stand 'em |
| 11:24.44 | alleyoopster | tarzeau: ok, didnt know links had a graphics version. thanks for the tip, i'll look at them both |
| 11:25.09 | tarzeau | alleyoopster: most people won't like links2 -g because it doesn't do css, but only the content |
| 11:25.18 | tarzeau | alleyoopster: and most won't like gnustep applications because they are not used to it |
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| 11:28.32 | alleyoopster | tarzeau: well I'll give it a fair hearing, it's always good to try things out. simplistic vs features is not always an easy balance |
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| 11:31.33 | ringo999 | ok, how can I see what files / software uses how much amount of diskspace on my system? need to free up space .... |
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| 11:32.57 | jelly-home | ringo999: use "du" to find out disk usage per directory |
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| 11:33.49 | jelly-home | ringo999: "df" to see much much space is used per partition |
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| 11:34.02 | overnout | is there a way to get a listing about the space each package is using ? |
| 11:34.04 | davut | hi |
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| 11:34.27 | davut | I keep getting this error when doing apt-get update |
| 11:34.30 | davut | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 11:35.10 | jelly-home | overnout: not really. dpkg -s will show how much was used at installed time, but one package data might use more space in /var or your $HOME |
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| 11:35.32 | overnout | jelly-home: yeap i now :) |
| 11:35.55 | overnout | perhaps i could write a script doing something like that |
| 11:36.00 | xlotlu | ringo999: you could start by running apt-get clean |
| 11:36.14 | byon | how do i remove history in 'last' command ? |
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| 11:36.42 | jelly-home | byon: the manual doesn't provide hints to that? |
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| 11:37.23 | byon | hmm i only found /var/log/lastlog |
| 11:37.26 | byon | but aint able to delete it |
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| 11:38.38 | jelly-home | byon: that's not the correct file anyway. |
| 11:38.39 | TrueDD | byon, you must be connected under root to do that |
| 11:38.57 | jelly-home | byon: you want to rtfm as advised. |
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| 11:41.23 | xlotlu | is there a preferred way to keep the package listing uptodate, without running an apt-get update cron job? |
| 11:41.23 | byon | jerry: sure./ |
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| 11:41.23 | byon | well, im trying to clean up lastlog inorder to restore a system back to clean state |
| 11:41.24 | byon | the previous administrator played us out |
| 11:42.19 | jelly-home | you'll need root for that :-) |
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| 11:43.08 | jelly-home | and possibly a restore from a known good state |
| 11:43.13 | SoftIce | anyone have a documentation of adding grsec patch to debian ? |
| 11:43.23 | SoftIce | dont want to miss a step as its a remote box |
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| 11:45.33 | jelly-home | SoftIce: it should be much like any other kernel patch... that is, use a kernel .config that is known to work on that machine. |
| 11:45.54 | jelly-home | SoftIce: grsec has a lot of options though |
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| 11:47.10 | SoftIce | jelly-home: so just copy accross my /boot/*config to /usr/src/.conf and work from there |
| 11:47.21 | SoftIce | err to /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| 11:48.40 | tanaka | hi |
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| 11:49.17 | jelly-home | SoftIce: right. |
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| 11:50.11 | Black_Cat | hello! i've just installed Debian 3.1r5, i've chosen "Desktop" and "webserver" sections to be installed. but no desktop available. which packages should i install to have kde, gnome or something (doesn't really matter)? gnome, for example. |
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| 11:50.53 | tanaka | i downloaded the network install cd,can anyone tell me how to install debian etch with the 2.6.20 kernel |
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| 11:52.00 | jelly-home | SoftIce: if you set CONFIG_GRKERNSEC_PROC_USERGROUP, you'll want to groupadd -g GID proc and add users with access to /proc to the group. But it's not critical. |
| 11:52.03 | ronr | I'm trying to install debian on a new system, but the installation hangs during boot, I'm pretty sure the SATA chipset is to blame, it's a ATI SB600, anyone knows a iso somewhere that could or should work? |
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| 11:52.58 | marc2 | How can I configure to use a monitor next to my notebook display with debian? |
| 11:53.27 | ronr | marc2: what video card? |
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| 11:54.05 | marc2 | tanaka, you would need to upgrade your debian after your installation and then either self compile a kernel or install a kernel offered by your distribution. |
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| 11:54.25 | marc2 | ronr, Only vesa. |
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| 11:54.33 | solar_sea | Are there up-to-date debs of the latest kernel versions for i386 ? |
| 11:54.35 | jelly-home | ronr: sata errors all over, huh? possibly Kenshi Muto's installer with a 2.6.20 kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or current daily installer build. |
| 11:55.11 | ronr | jelly-home: no errors, hangs right after IDE 33MHz |
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| 11:55.17 | jelly-home | ronr: I'm using testing, so I went with a daily d-i snapshot (for amd64) and it worked. |
| 11:55.22 | cydork | solar_sea: for etch? check backports.org |
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| 11:55.30 | solar_sea | [I just swapped my gamepad with a new one /same model/ and it refuses to work anymore .. removing ehci_hcd to make usb work as 1.1 doesn't help too :/] |
| 11:55.34 | solar_sea | cydork, testing/unstable |
| 11:55.41 | Gurax | hello all. What can you recommend as a good frontend for firewalling using the iproute/iptables ? |
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| 11:55.55 | cydork | solar_sea: well wait then :P |
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| 11:56.03 | tanaka | can i download a kernel and install with that kernel as my onboard nic is not detected |
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| 11:56.10 | ronr | jelly-home: i'll give that a try |
| 11:56.19 | rodlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.19 | solar_sea | hell, that device is working under xp, it's driving me mad :) |
| 11:56.23 | mcbane | hi |
| 11:56.23 | rodlinux | any idea? |
| 11:56.28 | cydork | solar_sea: or take a look at kernel-package |
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| 11:56.53 | wfq | hi, |
| 11:57.16 | wfq | where should i install my mysql source in Debian? In /usr/src ie? |
| 11:57.22 | Black_Cat | how come that dpkg-reconfigure command might disappear for some reason? though dpkg itself still works... |
| 11:57.24 | mcbane | which apt command do I have to execute to perform security updates? |
| 11:57.42 | jelly-home | wfq: ideally you shouldn't use the source, but the packaged version (or a backport) |
| 11:58.08 | jelly-home | wfq: what do you need the source for? |
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| 11:58.15 | tarzeau | mcbane: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 11:58.21 | YanZh | hi! |
| 11:58.23 | tanaka | marc2: can i download a kernel and install with that kernel as my onboard nic is not detected |
| 11:58.27 | tarzeau | mcbane: security updates are nothing special, there's just another repo for stable for it |
| 11:58.30 | mcbane | tarzeau: thanks |
| 11:58.45 | tarzeau | tanaka: yes that's possible, but not as easy as you wrote |
| 11:58.55 | Gurax | hello all. What can you recommend as a good frontend for firewalling using the iproute/iptables ? |
| 11:58.55 | tarzeau | tanaka: there's already premade d-i with newer kernels, from |
| 11:58.56 | tarzeau | !kmuto |
| 11:58.56 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 11:59.24 | tarzeau | Gurax: i used to recommend shorewall, but since their configuration stuff is changing from version to version, i'd use iptables directly |
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| 11:59.37 | YanZh | i've got a problem with bttv, it don't want don't take tuner and card number in the /etc/modpro.d/bttv file |
| 11:59.40 | tarzeau | Gurax: i've met a guy with several shorewall installs, and he's all fucked now . heh |
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| 11:59.54 | Gurax | tarzeau: I have just noticed that too and it's a bit frustrating. |
| 11:59.55 | tarzeau | YanZh: works great here. 848 or 878? |
| 12:00.02 | tarzeau | Gurax: yeah :) just don't use it |
| 12:00.15 | marc2 | tanaka, if your nic is supported by that kernel, yes. |
| 12:00.53 | YanZh | tarzeau 878, it worked but it does not anymore. it takes default parameters |
| 12:00.57 | marc2 | ronr, what can I do to use a second monitor with vesa? |
| 12:00.57 | Cardo | Hello everyone. I'm having a small issue with pop3/imap and postfix. I first tried using dovecot but it just wouldn't authenticate any users. Now I'm using qpopper and see this in the mail log "POP authentication DB not available (user cardo): No such file or directory (2) [pop_apop.c:249] |
| 12:01.04 | Cardo | any ideas anyone? |
| 12:01.27 | wfq | jelly-home,well, i have always done it by using the debian package but I am an interview next week and i don't know if they want me to install mysql by using sources |
| 12:02.07 | Cardo | qpopper seems to be working by reverting to an older method of authenticating? |
| 12:02.20 | jelly-home | wfq: you can unpack the sources pretty much anywhere. /usr/src is the canonical place though |
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| 12:03.03 | jelly-home | wfq: I'd answer that by explaining that installing from sources on a Debian system isn't a smartest thing to do. ;-) |
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| 12:03.10 | YanZh | a |
| 12:03.21 | YanZh | any idea about my problem? |
| 12:03.41 | Thumann | so, during the installation of debian, my nvidia raid 1 volume is found as two single disks.. sneaky sneaky.. any way to correct this? |
| 12:03.45 | wfq | jelly-home, you put me in doubts now... lol lol lol Yes, and it saves to you a lot work |
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| 12:04.21 | tls_81 | Hi guys, Am writting a script and would like to use `script` in it but was wondering if it would automacticly end when it hits the EOF or do i need to specify a ^D and if so how do i in a shell script? |
| 12:05.36 | tanaka | marc2: how can i use a downloaded kernel with the etch installer |
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| 12:06.11 | jelly-home | wfq: well, one may have legit reasons to install from source. For mysql though, I'd take a look at backports.org, where there are newer packaged versions of stuff created for Debian stable. |
| 12:06.39 | marc2 | Oh, I thought you would install debian and then upgrade the kernel. You can only use the installation kernel while installation. |
| 12:07.05 | HostilePenguin | how do i have /var/log/messages not keep so many days worth of messages it goes back to may 7th |
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| 12:08.07 | marc2 | HostilePenguin, Configure logrotate properly. |
| 12:08.44 | tanaka | r there any custom debian etch iso with 2.6.20 kernel |
| 12:09.02 | marc2 | You could build your own. |
| 12:09.03 | jelly-home | tanaka: eh, you can install sarge then upgrade. |
| 12:09.06 | xlotlu | Thumann: you need dmraid to use that type of raid. but unless you have a good reason for it (e.g. a windows install on that raid), you're better off using linux software raid |
| 12:09.26 | cydork | techbee: or you can get a new kernel from backports.org |
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| 12:10.06 | cydork | bahh |
| 12:10.16 | cydork | tanaka: you can get a new kernel from backports.org for etch |
| 12:10.16 | tanaka | marc2: how |
| 12:10.48 | techbee | cydork: thanks |
| 12:11.01 | solar_sea | tanaka, there are kmuto's isos |
| 12:11.24 | jelly-home | !custom d-i |
| 12:11.25 | dpkg | well, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 12:11.47 | cydork | solar_sea: i don't think he has any for etch yet. |
| 12:11.48 | jelly-home | tanaka: what dpkg just said ^^ |
| 12:12.00 | Thumann | xlotlu: i remember makinga bootstrap installation once.. that could be a way out aswell |
| 12:12.04 | solar_sea | btw, where can I look for help regarding a usb device under linux ? [i've read the linux-usb faq, but it doesn't answer my problems :)] |
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| 12:12.21 | mcbane | hi |
| 12:12.23 | Thumann | xlotlu: wasn't dmraid available in the installer once? |
| 12:12.29 | dhe | Hi, does someone know how to read out all user cronjobs with one line? |
| 12:12.29 | jelly-home | tanaka: I bet it's easier to use kmuto's images to install sarge base system, and then dist-upgrade |
| 12:12.55 | HostilePenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.59 | xlotlu | Thumann: i don't know, never used it at install time. |
| 12:13.16 | Thumann | xlotlu: okay |
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| 12:13.45 | overnout | dhe: crontab -l |
| 12:14.07 | dhe | overout: gives only the user cronjobs |
| 12:14.21 | mcbane | I was asked, if I could provide access to our students hostel server, debian of course, via rdp (windows remote desktop protocol). It is quite like x11 forwarding or vnc server. I don't know, so I ask you. Is that possible? |
| 12:14.30 | overnout | that was what you wanted wasnt it ? |
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| 12:15.40 | jelly-home | mcbane: hmm. google for xrdp, I don't think it's in Debian yet. |
| 12:15.47 | whaq | What do you guys think of the new Palm Foleo? An ipod for office worker, or a nifty hackable flashbased linux subnotebook? |
| 12:16.07 | mcbane | jelly-home: thanks, I do that |
| 12:16.35 | dhe | overnout: no i search something which can read out all users cronjobs, not only the local one which types the command |
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| 12:16.39 | wfq | jelly-home, should I install mysql with root roll or user with rights enough to do it? what would you do in my case? |
| 12:16.46 | |DuReX| | somebody got any id why i get high cpu loads when i use my harddisks ? |
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| 12:17.15 | |DuReX| | if somebody is uploading to ftp, the process takes like 50% cpu load ... :s |
| 12:17.27 | asg | |DuReX|: the cpu is having to spend time shoveling data back and forth. Do you have ide disks? |
| 12:17.38 | |DuReX| | ide & sata yes :) |
| 12:17.52 | asg | |DuReX|: look at the 'hdparm' package and make sure that DMA is enabled. |
| 12:18.05 | |DuReX| | but 50% cpu is alot no ? when there are like 5 people uploading, pc is really lagging |
| 12:18.10 | |DuReX| | yes dma is enabled :( |
| 12:18.16 | |DuReX| | got same load on sata :s |
| 12:18.21 | jelly-home | wfq: I don't quite get it... use root to install it to the system. configure it to run under a separate system user (no need to run as root) |
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| 12:18.44 | asg | |DuReX|: use 'vmstat 5' (discard the first line) Paste one of the lines after the first (if your machine is still loaded) |
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| 12:18.48 | jelly-home | wfq: make sure you install stuff from source under /usr/local |
| 12:18.51 | xlotlu | |DuReX|: only happening when getting ftp uploads? |
| 12:19.07 | wfq | jelly-home, yes, I have just read on INSTALL file |
| 12:19.10 | |DuReX| | also with hdparm etc ... |
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| 12:19.44 | |DuReX| | asg: http://paste.debian.net/29278 |
| 12:19.48 | |DuReX| | i did that yesterday |
| 12:20.01 | overnout | dhe: you could do something like that |
| 12:20.03 | overnout | for ii in `cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd`; do sudo crontab -u $ii -l; done |
| 12:20.46 | overnout | supposed that your sudo is working |
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| 12:22.23 | asg | |DuReX|: from the looks of that output, IO isn't the problem. Is your ftp server doing anything (virus scan, encrypt, etc) with uploaded files before/while writing them to disk. |
| 12:22.28 | dhe | thanks |
| 12:22.50 | |DuReX| | asg: no, and got same cpu load with hdparm .. so i doubt is ftp ... |
| 12:23.21 | asg | |DuReX|: any errors or IDE related messages in dmesg, /var/log/syslog, or /var/log/kern.log? |
| 12:24.04 | |DuReX| | not a single error |
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| 12:24.46 | |DuReX| | 7 uploads, 5 downloads: load: 22.26, 14.50, 7.11 |
| 12:24.49 | |DuReX| | :s |
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| 12:26.10 | asg | |DuReX|: that's not right. |
| 12:26.33 | solar_sea | Are there .debs for kernels newers than 2.6.20 and if so - where ? :) |
| 12:26.40 | asg | |DuReX|: iostat -p hda 2 6 (run that when under load to see if a particular partition on /dev/hda is being hammered. That may make it easier to track down what's going on.) |
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| 12:26.55 | sami | how do i setup apt? |
| 12:27.08 | sami | apt-setup does not exist |
| 12:27.16 | asg | sami: /usr/share/doc/apt/* |
| 12:28.37 | YanZh | does anyone knows how to set bttv with debian? |
| 12:28.37 | |DuReX| | asg: iostats are under it in that pastebin ... |
| 12:28.38 | soenke | i want to do a network install. i downloaded the installation image from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ and the boot suceeded, however now it searched for cd-rom media. how can i tell the installer that i want a network install? is it the wrong files? |
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| 12:29.37 | davut | hi |
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| 12:29.51 | davut | is there any grsecurity patched kernel package for debian |
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| 12:30.08 | rod_insigne | Hi there, I compiled the kernel 2.6.20 and I have problem the udev |
| 12:30.15 | rod_insigne | any idea the problem? |
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| 12:34.10 | asg | |DuReX|: those only show individual drives though, the the partitions on them. The iostats you pasted show that all the activity is on /dev/hda. |
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| 12:35.03 | asg | davut: there isn't a pre-patched kernel, though the patches are packages and can be applied to the kernel source and a deb built with make-kpkg. |
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| 12:35.09 | asg | *packaged |
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| 12:35.10 | |DuReX| | asg: could it be something missing in kernel or ... :s what do u think ? |
| 12:35.18 | t4rfd | is there a repo for Net-Snmp |
| 12:35.31 | t4rfd | cuz im getting src packages from the internet and they are not working correctly |
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| 12:35.47 | jelly-home | t4rfd: how come you're not using the packaged version? |
| 12:35.48 | asg | |DuReX|: If it isn't hardware related (which it usually is, or dma) then check the options you mounted the partitions with. |
| 12:35.55 | t4rfd | jelly, i cant find it |
| 12:36.05 | t4rfd | can you give me rep that has it |
| 12:36.07 | t4rfd | on etch |
| 12:36.14 | jelly-home | t4rfd: huh? |
| 12:36.20 | jelly-home | !info snmpd etch |
| 12:36.22 | asg | t4rfd: debian comes with snmp |
| 12:36.34 | t4rfd | asg, i need the Net-snmp package |
| 12:36.45 | asg | t4rfd: if you'd bother to read the description, you would see that it is |
| 12:36.47 | fireba11 | soenke: at least that's not the netinstall iso ^^ |
| 12:36.49 | jelly-home | t4rfd: debian's snmpd IS net-snmp. |
| 12:36.59 | dpkg | snmpd: (NET SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) Agents), section net, is optional. Version: 5.2.3-7 (etch), Packaged size: 814 kB, Installed size: 1060 kB |
| 12:37.03 | t4rfd | jelly-home, i cant find it in my repo |
| 12:37.11 | |DuReX| | mounted with defaults .. .:s |
| 12:37.34 | jelly-home | t4rfd: either you're searching in a bad way, or your repo isn't complete |
| 12:37.42 | asg | jelly-home: or he isn't using debian |
| 12:37.46 | t4rfd | yes i think the repo's arent complete |
| 12:37.55 | t4rfd | asg, ha ha ha. :\ |
| 12:38.25 | t4rfd | jelly-home, can i have a complete repo |
| 12:38.32 | jelly-home | asg: I can't imagine a reason why an offspring distro would drop net-snmp. |
| 12:38.52 | |DuReX| | the load on hda seems all on the root partition ... rest of partition (swap) arent used |
| 12:38.54 | |DuReX| | weird |
| 12:39.06 | asg | |DuReX|: I can suggest 2 things to try: 1) power the box down and re-cable all your drives/controllers. 2) Try putting your ftp upload directory on one of your sata drives or other ide drives. |
| 12:39.09 | t4rfd | jelly-home, can you help me out with a full repo list |
| 12:39.28 | jelly-home | t4rfd: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 12:39.34 | asg | jelly-home: ubuntu probably doesn't include it in the base system, only universe or multiverse or whatever. |
| 12:40.25 | jelly-home | asg: possible, but IMO it would be quite insane not to support it fully, esp. for Ubuntu LTS |
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| 12:42.35 | asg | jelly-home: he has yet to tell us what version of Debian he is running. |
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| 12:42.36 | |DuReX| | if i access a sata harddisk (hdparm -tT /dev/sda) it gives same load so :s |
| 12:42.36 | jelly-home | or whatever their server oriented release is |
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| 12:42.37 | asg | |DuReX|: could you paste 'hdparm /dev/hda' in a pastebin? |
| 12:42.37 | jelly-home | asg: Hm. I just presumed he had the release he was asking about, ie. etch. |
| 12:42.37 | |DuReX| | sure |
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| 12:42.48 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/29300 |
| 12:42.49 | |DuReX| | there |
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| 12:43.36 | Juai0 | Hi, using postfix |
| 12:43.38 | Juai0 | it is possible to return ah 250 return code in any rcpt to: <mail@dom.com> ? any idea please?? :( |
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| 12:43.59 | asg | |DuReX|: is that drive a Western Digital? Either way, try setting the multicount value to 0 and see if that improves things. |
| 12:44.28 | |DuReX| | hda: Maxtor 6Y200P0, ATA DISK drive |
| 12:44.29 | asg | Juai0: should be possible with postfix acls. Consult #postfix for the details though |
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| 12:44.57 | Juai0 | thanks |
| 12:45.45 | dashs | hmmm. Appears to be no standard between distros for system UIDs, eh? |
| 12:46.15 | rod_insigne | Hi there, I compiled the kernel 2.6.20 and I have problem the udev, any idea? I have the update the hotplug and udev but not resolving |
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| 12:46.37 | jelly-home | dashs: there's limited matching, root is always uid 0 ;-) |
| 12:46.55 | nikns | http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/NetBSDdomU |
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| 12:47.02 | asg | jelly-home: on my system, uid 0 is named 'bob' |
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| 12:47.05 | asg | jelly-home: :) |
| 12:47.09 | nikns | ERROR: Non PAE-kernel on PAE host. |
| 12:47.09 | nikns | ERROR: Non PAE-kernel on PAE host.ERROR: Error constructing guest OS |
| 12:47.12 | abrotman | asg: bob2 ? |
| 12:47.16 | jelly-home | asg: your system is not POSIX :-P |
| 12:47.18 | nikns | wtf? |
| 12:47.18 | asg | abrotman: just bob |
| 12:47.27 | abrotman | asg: msbob ? |
| 12:47.56 | asg | jelly-home: hehe |
| 12:48.13 | abrotman | rod_insigne: more info needed |
| 12:48.47 | abrotman | asg: if it were a woody system .. would you name UID 0 ... 'bobbitt' ? |
| 12:48.53 | misreckoning | can gajim connect to google talk? |
| 12:48.57 | Juai0 | asg: can you tell me how to do it? I have no response on #postfix :( |
| 12:49.00 | rod_insigne | any log? |
| 12:49.09 | asg | abrotman: dunno |
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| 12:49.27 | rod_insigne | I restart the daemon udev and work some functions |
| 12:49.28 | abrotman | misreckoning: try it and let us know ... |
| 12:49.33 | asg | Juai0: I'd wait a few minutes and ask again (there and in here). You might also want to look at their mailing lists. |
| 12:49.36 | misreckoning | abrotman, well I'm trying :P |
| 12:49.38 | abrotman | misreckoning: they have some docs at the website |
| 12:49.43 | abrotman | misreckoning: at the google site i mean |
| 12:49.48 | misreckoning | abrotman, I hope so ... |
| 12:51.04 | misreckoning | abrotman, http://trac.gajim.org/wiki/GajimGoogleTalk :) |
| 12:51.13 | abrotman | yeah .. like that! |
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| 12:51.28 | dashs | jelly-home: Is there some organization that recommends a conventional approach? |
| 12:51.48 | |DuReX| | crappy linux /p |
| 12:52.12 | jelly-home | dashs: no idea really. Debian Policy has the specs for Debian... if I try hard I could find the same for Redhat. |
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| 12:53.05 | jelly-home | dashs: there are reasonable similarities between those two, but they're not the same |
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| 12:53.57 | mcbane | jelly-home: though I have to figure out some things xrdp seems to fit perfectly for my needs. Thanks again :) |
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| 12:57.37 | ivalladt | º3º |
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| 12:58.33 | misreckoning | too bad it isn't working :P :) |
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| 12:59.49 | SerajewelKS | is there some way to make gnome/metacity aware that i have two monitors, so that screen edge resistance functions properly? |
| 13:00.40 | SerajewelKS | there is resistance moving between monitors, but there is some dead space on the right monitor since its resolution is lower. windows move freely through it with no resistance on the south edge |
| 13:01.09 | abrotman | south? right? lee? |
| 13:01.21 | SerajewelKS | uh? |
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| 13:01.34 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: is it an X problem or a gnome problem ? |
| 13:01.54 | SerajewelKS | can't imagine it's an X problem |
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| 13:01.59 | SerajewelKS | KDE handles it fine :) |
| 13:02.15 | abrotman | but didn't KDE write their own X server? |
| 13:02.33 | abrotman | doh .. forgot </sarcasm> |
| 13:02.39 | SerajewelKS | yes, i got it |
| 13:02.52 | Black_Cat | i've tried to install x-window-system-core. one of the packages, xlibmesa-dri, has shown the following: "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". What do i do? |
| 13:02.55 | SerajewelKS | i'm guessing it's actually a metacity issue |
| 13:03.27 | SerajewelKS | Black_Cat: grab whatever is nearest to you, curse at it, and destroy it? |
| 13:04.34 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: haha :) |
| 13:04.39 | tarzeau | Black_Cat: is that etch? |
| 13:04.39 | Black_Cat | SerajewelKS: i hope it was a joke. though it's not a proper time. if i don't solve the problem, i'll quit the idea of migrating to Debian. i'm desperate. |
| 13:04.51 | Black_Cat | tarzeau, nope. 3.1r5 |
| 13:04.53 | tarzeau | Black_Cat: you migrate how much to debian? yourself? |
| 13:05.04 | tarzeau | Black_Cat: that's old-stable, sarge |
| 13:05.11 | Black_Cat | tarzeau, that's right :) |
| 13:05.11 | tarzeau | Black_Cat: if you retry? |
| 13:05.23 | tarzeau | Black_Cat: sometimes errors happen just once, retry it at least once more |
| 13:06.01 | Black_Cat | hmm... okay, and if it won't help?... maybe it's something with the .deb file? what does that error code (1) mean anyways? |
| 13:06.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you could try sawfish (i prefer sawfish anyways) |
| 13:07.06 | abrotman | Black_Cat: unless it's antiquated hardware .. you really should be using etch |
| 13:07.32 | abrotman | Black_Cat: can you paste the error somewhere ? |
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| 13:08.30 | Black_Cat | abrotman, i've gotta start with something, and yes i will upgrade if i won't be completely disappointed with debian - only in this case. the error was above, that's all of it :) |
| 13:09.04 | abrotman | Black_Cat: i understand you'd upgrade .. but the etch installer is way better .. and gravity did a fantastic job with the X packages (with a little help from his friends) |
| 13:09.17 | abrotman | Black_Cat: is it the postinst or preinst ? |
| 13:09.20 | abrotman | it should say |
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| 13:09.27 | tarzeau | Black_Cat: if it won't help, ask again, here |
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| 13:09.46 | Black_Cat | as for hardware, it's p3-700MHz-128Ram |
| 13:09.59 | Black_Cat | what's that supposed to mean? (postinst/preinst) |
| 13:10.08 | abrotman | you don't have an extra $.25 to get another 128MB? :) |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | Black_Cat: usually it will say "Process post installation file\ndpkg error -1 blahblahblahblah" |
| 13:10.29 | Ankman | apt-get dist-upgrade isn't working. can i do this by just change, let's say "sarge" to "etch" in /etc/apt-sources.list? |
| 13:10.40 | Ankman | or do i need to do more? |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | Ankman: aptitude is recommended |
| 13:10.53 | Ankman | can't install it |
| 13:10.55 | abrotman | and it's /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:11.06 | abrotman | how is the dist-upgrade not working ? |
| 13:11.07 | Ankman | and hope to fix that by a dist upgrade |
| 13:11.08 | cydork | Ankman: read the release notes. |
| 13:11.15 | cydork | !sarge->etch |
| 13:11.15 | dpkg | hmm... sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 13:11.23 | Ankman | seconds, says nothing to update |
| 13:11.33 | Ankman | ty |
| 13:11.43 | Black_Cat | it costs much more here :) as for error, there was nothing like it. i just typed "aptitude install x-window-system-core", it took all the stuff from the DVD and stopped with error about that one package |
| 13:11.44 | cydork | Ankman: you didn't change the sources.list so how will it know what to update? |
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| 13:12.10 | Ankman | i thought apt-get dist-upgrade would promt |
| 13:12.16 | dashs | jelly-home: thanx |
| 13:12.22 | Ankman | prompt |
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| 13:13.16 | xerophyte | does anybody know how can i sort rows in gnumeric with base on one column ? |
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| 13:13.19 | test_ | anyone knows what xscreensaver newlogin button executes exactly |
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| 13:14.22 | sobersabre | guys, I have xfs question |
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| 13:17.14 | abrotman | Black_Cat: put a set -x at the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibmesa-dri.postinst |
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| 13:18.40 | sobersabre | guys, is there a serious difference between xfs on linux vs. on IRIX ? |
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| 13:19.27 | visik7 | sobersabre: afaik linux VM doesn't allow to use (for example) formatted xfs disk IRIX |
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| 13:20.46 | abrotman | sobersabre: ask #xfs |
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| 13:20.55 | xerophyte | with gnumeric how can i sort a rows base on one column? |
| 13:20.57 | sobersabre | abrotman: is there such thing ? :) |
| 13:20.59 | sobersabre | nice! |
| 13:21.04 | abrotman | sobersabre: of course .. part of the difference is the hardware it runs on |
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| 13:21.16 | abrotman | SGI hardware is way nicer than standard x86 hardware |
| 13:21.20 | sobersabre | abrotman: mips vs. x86 |
| 13:21.25 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 13:21.43 | abrotman | but i don't know that there are any implementation differences in the actual FS .. but i'd assume so |
| 13:21.52 | abrotman | given different kernels etc |
| 13:22.09 | sobersabre | abrotman: I've noticed there's no pquota option. |
| 13:22.09 | abrotman | xerophyte: likely select the whole spreadsheet .. and then sort on one column |
| 13:22.13 | vyrus001 | im totaly stumped... ive got pccardctl working, it sees my card, and ive got hermes pcmcia in my kernel static, i still cant get my 8421-wd to work... anybody have ANY experiance with this thing? |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | anything in dmesg ? |
| 13:23.03 | vyrus001 | pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0 |
| 13:23.03 | vyrus001 | pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0 |
| 13:23.35 | abrotman | tht's it ? |
| 13:24.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: sawfish has no --replace |
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| 13:25.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and metacity seems pretty insistant that it's not going to get killed |
| 13:26.15 | abrotman | killall metacity && sawfish |
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| 13:26.38 | Black_Cat | thanks for your support, guys - it did work out with x-window-system-core! :) |
| 13:27.00 | Black_Cat | i just tried dpkg -i with a file on Binary CD 1, not Update CD 1 :) |
| 13:27.16 | Black_Cat | thanx again |
| 13:27.22 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | Black_Cat: i'd really really recommend upgrading to etch before installing X |
| 13:28.24 | Black_Cat | abrotman: it cost me lots of nerves and time to get any debian :) but thank you for advice |
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| 13:29.04 | ronr | I'm trying to install a new system with a ATI SB600 with an image from: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, it recognizes the hd, but it looks like it hangs during boot. CTRL+C gives an error though: Cannot initialize debconf template database (at line 125 in debconf.c) |
| 13:29.09 | ronr | any clues? |
| 13:29.41 | Black_Cat | abrotman: how do you think, if i upgrade online... how much MBs will it take to download? approx., of course |
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| 13:34.39 | wfq | hi |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | Black_Cat: depends what you have installed .. that's why you'd upgrade before installing X |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | Black_Cat: obviously the more you install from CD .. the more you'll have to download from the internet just to dist-upgrade |
| 13:35.06 | wfq | I get this error when I try to compile mysql 5.0.4 sources on my Debian stable http://pastebin.co.uk/15956 |
| 13:35.31 | abrotman | Black_Cat: i get the impression you're on a metered line and have Sarge CDs local ? |
| 13:35.41 | abrotman | wfq: ask #mysql |
| 13:36.04 | wfq | I've done it too, but maybe someone can help me on here |
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| 13:44.41 | Ankman | dist upgrade in progress |
| 13:45.02 | nikns | any ideas why vncserver listens on tcp6 but not on tcp4? |
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| 13:51.30 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 13:52.02 | abrotman | asg: still slacking ? |
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| 13:53.17 | ma3x | /topic |
| 13:53.18 | ma3x | /topic |
| 13:53.28 | ma3x | sorry |
| 13:54.17 | ma3x | where is that url to tarzeau's backup tool? |
| 13:54.22 | ma3x | his url used to be in the topic |
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| 13:55.17 | abrotman | backup tool ? |
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| 13:56.35 | asg | abrotman: yep, still slacking |
| 13:57.27 | ma3x | abrotman, yeah he has developed a backup tool |
| 13:57.32 | asg | abrotman: was up at 4am to update a spreadsheet because sharepoint is such a huge pile, but it didn't take long. |
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| 13:58.42 | t4rfd | fscking net-snmo |
| 13:58.43 | t4rfd | fscking net-snmp |
| 13:59.06 | waqjan | isn't fsck for things in /dev ? |
| 13:59.07 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 13:59.40 | JosefAssad | waqjan: he probably mounts tcp connections with fuse and then fscks them, I think |
| 13:59.57 | JosefAssad | (packets arriving in sequence and all) |
| 14:00.32 | t4rfd | f??k net-snmp |
| 14:00.34 | waqjan | what's the latest gmail fuse package? |
| 14:00.48 | asg | t4rfd: either explain your problem or go away. |
| 14:01.03 | t4rfd | asg, erm i cant find net-snmp in my repo |
| 14:01.11 | t4rfd | and no i will not go away |
| 14:01.16 | asg | t4rfd: paste /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:01.22 | t4rfd | ok |
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| 14:01.52 | tarzeau | ma3x: www.linuks.mine.nu/ibackup/ ? |
| 14:01.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: www.linuks.mine.nu/perms/ ? |
| 14:02.08 | ma3x | howdy tarzeau |
| 14:02.08 | waqjan | I also have a problem, with the default gcc target set to i486-linux-gnu |
| 14:02.15 | ma3x | I'll have a try at that ibackup of yours |
| 14:02.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's in debian |
| 14:02.28 | t4rfd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23427/ i am using debian etch dont make the url fool you |
| 14:02.36 | t4rfd | asg <3 |
| 14:02.45 | ma3x | tarzeau, I know I'm installing it. is it easy to use? for example like ibackup /home ? |
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| 14:03.04 | tarzeau | ma3x: it's easy yes, not it's not like ibackup /home (for that you can use rsync) |
| 14:03.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: if you just want home you can use rsync |
| 14:03.13 | asg | t4rfd: apt-get update ; apt-cache policy snmpd |
| 14:03.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: ibackup has another purpose, read it to get what |
| 14:03.20 | waqjan | where do I go to request software to be packaged for debian? |
| 14:03.20 | asg | t4rfd: pastebin the output of that commandline |
| 14:03.29 | t4rfd | ok |
| 14:03.32 | ma3x | tarzeau, I want to backup /usr /lib .... where can I specify those? |
| 14:03.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: inside ~/.ibackup read /usr/bin/ibackup on how |
| 14:04.02 | tarzeau | +.conf |
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| 14:04.27 | ma3x | tarzeau, I copied ibackup.conf to /etc |
| 14:04.33 | fraujansen | hi! do you know how can i replace vi with vim? so when i call vi --> vim starts |
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| 14:04.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: did you read /usr/bin/ibackup ? |
| 14:04.57 | asg | fraujansen: apt-get install vim ; update-alternatives --config editor or update-alternatives --config vi |
| 14:05.03 | outlaw84 | where can I get hold of older versions of debian packages? |
| 14:05.12 | outlaw84 | I am trying to get cups 1.1 |
| 14:05.12 | ma3x | tarzeau, you mean I run /usr/bin/ibackup and see the options? |
| 14:05.16 | ma3x | tarzeau, or the script itself? |
| 14:05.17 | asg | outlaw84: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 14:05.42 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.42 | t4rfd | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23428/ asg |
| 14:06.01 | ma3x | tarzeau, Usage: /usr/bin/ibackup [OPTION]... [CONFIGURATION]... what is the configuration for? |
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| 14:06.27 | asg | t4rfd: then it's already installed, according to that pastebin |
| 14:06.34 | t4rfd | well |
| 14:06.36 | t4rfd | yes |
| 14:06.43 | t4rfd | it is but its missing things |
| 14:06.47 | t4rfd | client libraries |
| 14:06.47 | asg | t4rfd: such as? |
| 14:07.04 | asg | t4rfd: install the snmp package also |
| 14:07.08 | t4rfd | i did |
| 14:07.09 | t4rfd | :( |
| 14:07.19 | t4rfd | thats what really make me crazy |
| 14:07.53 | asg | t4rfd: which tool or library are you missing? |
| 14:08.22 | t4rfd | ill cehck |
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| 14:09.50 | cx42 | hello! |
| 14:09.55 | ma3x | tarzeau, I don't understand - what is 'configuration' for? it's just creating .tar.gz so what do you need configuration for? |
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| 14:11.44 | cx42 | I have a problem to configurate cups on my debian server. I think I have an idea, but i'm not sure : when I print something, on /var/spool/cups, all the files added have the chmod 640 with root:root, or I specified an other user to print, how i can change the chmod and own automaticcaly ? |
| 14:12.14 | outlaw84 | cx42: cups suxs big time |
| 14:12.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: the configuration tells what to backup and what not |
| 14:12.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: ibackup has several examples |
| 14:12.40 | cx42 | outlaw84, why ? |
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| 14:12.55 | ma3x | tarzeau, how can I read up what each configuration means |
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| 14:12.58 | outlaw84 | they broke like everything in 1.2 |
| 14:13.15 | outlaw84 | it works good for network printer |
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| 14:13.34 | outlaw84 | but really badly for local once |
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| 14:13.58 | sanmarcos | where are user generated crontabs stored? |
| 14:14.14 | asg | sanmarcos: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
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| 14:14.31 | outlaw84 | How can you select which package apt should get if you have serveal entries for a packege in apt-cache policy ? |
| 14:14.32 | sanmarcos | asg, thanks |
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| 14:15.08 | E-bola | How can i mimick a debian system? |
| 14:15.15 | E-bola | i want to install the same packages as an existing system has |
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| 14:15.22 | asg | E-bola: /msg dpkg clone |
| 14:15.22 | maek | does anyone know this: if Im doing an rsync -av server:/path/to/file /local/location can I kill it and start it again with out having to re send all the files its already gotten? |
| 14:15.24 | E-bola | is there an easy way to "clone" whats installed? |
| 14:15.25 | ronr | I'm trying to install a new system with a ATI SB600 with an image from: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, it recognizes the hd, but it looks like it hangs during boot. CTRL+C gives an error though: Cannot initialize debconf template database (at line 125 in debconf.c), anyone an idea? |
| 14:15.32 | E-bola | asg: thanks |
| 14:15.38 | asg | E-bola: sorry, that's wrong. Hang on. |
| 14:15.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: use your brain? |
| 14:15.47 | E-bola | the answer looks weird hehe |
| 14:15.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: the configuration has a name |
| 14:15.56 | asg | E-bola: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 14:16.02 | cx42 | outlaw84, my configuration is for the network :) |
| 14:16.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: say mysql, it backups all the stuff you want from mysql (database, config files etc) |
| 14:16.20 | ma3x | tarzeau, and how can I 'see' the content of the packed file without extracting it? tar -t file.tar.gz won't work |
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| 14:16.27 | E-bola | dammit asg thats perfect :) |
| 14:16.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: really i haven't used it anymore for years. it's a poor man stuff, because the employer i did this shit for was |
| 14:16.36 | outlaw84 | cx42: is your printer connected to the network? |
| 14:16.38 | unlink | what's a good book for linux begginners who wish to use debian? |
| 14:16.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: too cheap for real backup. and too moronic to read up on documentation |
| 14:16.43 | asg | ma3x: tar -tz (if it's a tar.gz) |
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| 14:16.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: what asg says |
| 14:17.04 | cx42 | yep, on my debian server |
| 14:17.06 | sanmarcos | asg, thanks |
| 14:17.10 | ma3x | asg, I tried gunzip file.tar.gz and then I did tar -t file.tar and it didnt work as well |
| 14:17.11 | outlaw84 | How can you select which package apt should get if you have serveal entries for a packege in apt-cache policy ? |
| 14:17.12 | tuxub | how can I set the keyboard language? |
| 14:17.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: so the most important thing on ibackup is, it's not for big data, just for small stuff |
| 14:17.16 | E-bola | asg: i hope i didnty use too many tarballs hehe |
| 14:17.16 | asg | sanmarcos: you're welcome |
| 14:17.23 | tarzeau | ma3x: i wouldn't backup stuff larger 512mb with it |
| 14:17.28 | tarzeau | tuxub: x or console? |
| 14:17.31 | asg | E-bola: tarballs are better than hairballs |
| 14:17.34 | ma3x | tarzeau, what would you recommend for larger stuff? |
| 14:17.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: rsync |
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| 14:17.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: to another host. or tar+gz without ibackup |
| 14:17.58 | stoned | well, if you groom yourself by licking yourself |
| 14:18.03 | tarzeau | ma3x: dunno how large? |
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| 14:18.15 | ma3x | tarzeau, I use rsync with the -avZ option. good? |
| 14:18.20 | ma3x | tarzeau, well about 2 gb |
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| 14:18.23 | tarzeau | ma3x: we do backups of some fileservers (several TB) |
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| 14:18.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: i use -av --delete .. what's Z? |
| 14:18.33 | asg | E-bola: if you unstalled stuff in /usr/local or /opt, it should be simple to just mirror those dirs over to the new system using rsync or tar. |
| 14:18.37 | nvz | stoned: doesn't everyone? |
| 14:18.42 | mcbane | does anybody know where I could aquire speedo fonts? |
| 14:18.47 | stoned | nvz: lol :) |
| 14:18.53 | tuxub | tarzeau, console |
| 14:19.02 | tuxub | tarzeau, server |
| 14:19.07 | stoned | nvz: only felines |
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| 14:19.28 | DDubya | Is there any way I can copy a folder and it's directories into each of my users directories and assigning user permissions correctly? |
| 14:19.30 | asg | ma3x: /msg dpkg speedo |
| 14:19.31 | stoned | nvz: dude you're scaring me |
| 14:19.35 | asg | ma3x: bah, sorry |
| 14:19.38 | asg | mcbane: /msg dpkg speedo |
| 14:19.38 | ma3x | tarzeau, if you do backup why --delete? it would delete the destination |
| 14:19.48 | liable | nvz: thats something you should keep to yourself imo :P |
| 14:19.49 | ma3x | asg, tell me about tar -t file.tar why won't work? |
| 14:19.51 | nvz | stoned: I dont know about felines or grooming but I wanted to lick this girl yesturday |
| 14:20.05 | stoned | dude.. inappropriate :) |
| 14:20.14 | asg | ma3x: we'll need an error, of course |
| 14:20.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: we do backup, not archive |
| 14:20.22 | liable | asg: unfortunately you find them over here, we prefer to call them 'budgie smugglers' though ;) |
| 14:20.26 | stoned | I was merely saying, if you're a cat and you lick yourself to groom yourself, hairballs are inevitable |
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| 14:20.32 | tarzeau | ma3x: if the guy deletes stuff, he really doesn't want it later, does he? |
| 14:20.37 | ma3x | tarzeau, copy you mean? |
| 14:20.43 | E-bola | asg: im gonna resync the old amchine over completely |
| 14:20.46 | asg | liable: hehe |
| 14:20.46 | E-bola | cept for /dev and /proc |
| 14:20.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: well we really use some adapted rsync, daily stuff until a week back using some RUBI tool |
| 14:20.51 | Shadur | Hmm. How does linux handle things when you try to boot a kernel specifically compiled for, say, an Athlon on an intel Core2Duo system? |
| 14:20.52 | mcbane | asg: the info from dpkg isn't exactly helpfull |
| 14:20.52 | ma3x | tarzeau, oh so he makes backup and then deletes it? |
| 14:20.52 | asg | E-bola: that's one way to do it. |
| 14:20.55 | E-bola | i hope this will do the trick |
| 14:21.09 | tarzeau | ma3x: http://blog.psuter.ch/?p=16 |
| 14:21.09 | E-bola | i did it before, and besides having to clean up the package handling mess it work pretty well |
| 14:21.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: no he makes snapshots |
| 14:21.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: with symlinks |
| 14:21.19 | E-bola | and tick you showed me takes care of the packages |
| 14:21.22 | E-bola | so im very positive :) |
| 14:21.25 | nvz | well iceweasel just crashed for the first time on me |
| 14:21.26 | tarzeau | ma3x: but really i don't want to explain you this, i didn' |
| 14:21.33 | tarzeau | didn't set it up, i just use it as a user |
| 14:21.35 | sanmarcos | if I wanted to monitor say a user's (mine on my server) fetchmal log which is stored in /home/user/.fetchmail/fechmail.log, the best solution with logcheck would be to add it to /etc/logcheck/logcheck.logfiles? |
| 14:21.56 | outlaw84 | How can you select which package apt should get if you have serveal entries for a packege in apt-cache policy ? |
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| 14:22.37 | tuxub | tarzeau, can you help me? |
| 14:22.58 | Maerz | ahm.. how is that portscanner called again ? |
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| 14:23.28 | Ronin | Maerz: nmap |
| 14:23.29 | ma3x | tarzeau, I said earlier -avZ not Z but z for compression during the transfer :) |
| 14:23.31 | Maerz | ah ty |
| 14:24.49 | skyde | some one can help me with lvm |
| 14:25.00 | stoned | im sure someone can help you, if you ask |
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| 14:25.17 | skyde | i have two logical drive in raid 1 for a total of 4 drive |
| 14:25.35 | skyde | i would like the operating system on the first logical drive |
| 14:25.50 | skyde | and all the application and data on the other one |
| 14:25.59 | skyde | and be able to use lvm snapshoting on it |
| 14:26.04 | liable | wtf do my taskbar thingos start flashing after an indeterminate amount of time? its annoying the shit out of me |
| 14:26.24 | stoned | liable: thats why I don't use taskbars |
| 14:26.29 | liable | tabs, i guess |
| 14:26.36 | stoned | liable: which app |
| 14:26.41 | liable | all of em |
| 14:26.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: i wouldn't use compression for backups, too slow |
| 14:27.08 | tarzeau | tuxub: on what? |
| 14:27.12 | liable | i dont know if taskbar is what i even mean, thing at the bottom where the tabs for open apps are |
| 14:27.20 | tarzeau | ma3x: unless it's very compressible data and bad internet connection |
| 14:27.50 | tuxub | found it: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 14:32.27 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
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| 14:32.39 | assasukasse | what is the correct sintax of making a gdb backtrace of nautilus? |
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| 14:34.19 | liable | assasukasse: i just happened to be reading this.. http://www.unknownroad.com/rtfm/gdbtut/gdbuse.html#HELP |
| 14:34.37 | ma3x | why when I run update-grub it always renames my (hd0,0) to (hd0,1)? it is true hda1 used to be hda2 but how does it know that? |
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| 14:35.52 | ma3x | in menu.lst |
| 14:35.56 | rdz | hi all. how can i get a list of all currently opened tcp connections? |
| 14:36.11 | nvz | rdz: man netstat |
| 14:36.15 | Ankman | damn |
| 14:36.20 | rdz | nvz, thanks |
| 14:36.45 | stoned | netstat -a |
| 14:36.57 | stoned | other optional switches if you want |
| 14:37.05 | Ankman | i cannot "re-attach" a running (non screen) process? i was kicked off ssh from the remote server on a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:37.15 | Ankman | process is still there in the PID list |
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| 14:37.22 | Ankman | but i had to ssh in again |
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| 14:38.27 | nvz | Ankman: that'll teach you to use screen |
| 14:38.28 | liable | Ankman: if its still attached, screen will give the process, just detach it, then reattach |
| 14:38.34 | DDubya | exit |
| 14:38.36 | wols_ | Ankman: the running process has closed when you were kicked off |
| 14:38.38 | liable | bye |
| 14:38.57 | wols_ | if it ran under screen, you simply reattach screen -r -D |
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| 14:39.02 | Ankman | well time out omn ssh |
| 14:39.05 | Ankman | on |
| 14:39.11 | Ankman | process still there |
| 14:39.13 | liable | erm |
| 14:39.19 | epsilon | how can I check on a remote server, how many ide drives (parallel ata) are installed? fdisk -l should show all? |
| 14:39.21 | liable | !confuse me |
| 14:39.22 | dpkg | No, how is their gerbil tomorrow, liable? shirts of the democracy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 14:39.23 | Ankman | 30527 pts/0 S+ 0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 15 --configure base-files |
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| 14:39.42 | wols_ | epsilon: no |
| 14:39.43 | nvz | Ankman: dpkg --pending --configure |
| 14:39.46 | Ankman | the old ssh session too, wasn't closed |
| 14:40.05 | nvz | thar process is as good as dead |
| 14:40.07 | wols_ | Ankman: is this process running inder a screen instance? yes or no? |
| 14:40.10 | liable | it will time out |
| 14:40.15 | Ankman | nvz: does dpkg timeout at some point or so i have to kill it? |
| 14:40.21 | Ankman | no screen! |
| 14:40.27 | Ankman | bug somewhere |
| 14:40.27 | wols_ | if no: the process can't be reattached and will soon close when the ssh session times out |
| 14:40.32 | wols_ | there is no bug |
| 14:40.45 | Ankman | whenever i idle i get kicked, but the ssh session on the server doesn't terminate |
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| 14:41.13 | Ankman | it's a bug or something missconfigured on my side |
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| 14:41.54 | epsilon | wols_: how else? the server should have 2 drives, but can only see 1 drive |
| 14:41.54 | Ankman | the sshd session is also still in the PID list |
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| 14:42.07 | Ankman | 29881 ? S 0:00 sshd: ankman@pts/0 |
| 14:42.12 | wols_ | epsilon: dmesg for example |
| 14:42.58 | Ankman | anyway, if no other idea i kill that pid, should terminate the old dpgk PID with it and i pray restarting the config does it |
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| 14:43.06 | Ankman | and this time in a screen session :-) |
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| 14:43.29 | wols_ | you can reattach your screen |
| 14:43.48 | Ankman | there is no screen at this time |
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| 14:44.14 | termo | hi there |
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| 14:44.36 | termo | is there a way to use the apt system as non-root user |
| 14:44.44 | wols_ | termo: no |
| 14:44.54 | Ankman | the sshd session and all children are still there because of a bug or something. whenever i idle the session kicks me but not terminate on the server itself |
| 14:44.56 | wols_ | wouldn't make sense. non-root can't install stuff |
| 14:45.13 | asg | termo: you could allow certain users to do rootly things with sudo, if that is your intent. |
| 14:45.15 | wols_ | Ankman: wait a while it will close |
| 14:45.22 | Ankman | no, won't |
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| 14:45.35 | termo | asg: yes, but I'm not the admin myself |
| 14:45.48 | Ankman | as i noticed that the first time there were still old ssh sessions which were a week (!) old |
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| 14:46.04 | Ankman | anyway, kill it now |
| 14:46.04 | skyde | plese some one help me |
| 14:46.05 | termo | so there is no way to tell apt to install stuff in /home/user in stead of /? |
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| 14:46.29 | asg | Ankman: netstat -tno should tell you how long before it will close |
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| 14:46.51 | termo | is there any other portage system that maybe does this? |
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| 14:47.00 | liable | asg: nifty |
| 14:47.20 | asg | termo: you might be able to use dpkg and it's --root=/dir oper to install it under /home/foo |
| 14:47.34 | Ankman | killed, all dpkg gone too |
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| 14:47.52 | termo | asg: thanks, I'll look into that |
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| 14:48.21 | wols_ | termo: debian has no portage system |
| 14:48.38 | liable | thats why its teh suck |
| 14:48.43 | wols_ | and no, there is no real way. best is to use dpkg -x |
| 14:48.54 | termo | wols_: yeah, I mean package system... |
| 14:49.08 | wols_ | asg: there are a lot of files missing when using dpkg that way. all the dpkg DBs for example |
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| 14:49.19 | wols_ | termo: not really |
| 14:49.25 | Ankman | running dpkg --pending --configure now inside a screen session, ty |
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| 14:50.18 | termo | wols_: hmm, well thanks anyway, I'll try to figure something out |
| 14:50.43 | asg | wols_: true |
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| 14:50.50 | skyde | my raid card give me 2 logical drive i would like to install the os on drive 1 and all (apache web server .. and data) on the drive 2 while using lvm to be able to do snapshot |
| 14:50.53 | skyde | how should i do |
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| 14:51.07 | spheard | 0 * * * * will run every hour on cron right? |
| 14:51.18 | asg | spheard: yes |
| 14:51.26 | spheard | and * 0 * * * will run every day |
| 14:51.37 | spheard | at midnight |
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| 14:51.49 | asg | spheard: no, that will run every minute between 12am and 1am |
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| 14:52.18 | spheard | er |
| 14:52.25 | asg | spheard: try 0 0 * * * |
| 14:52.26 | ramiro | hi, Is there a command to know the free space on a "ftp session" ? |
| 14:52.36 | spheard | asg :-) cheers |
| 14:52.38 | en1gmaa | what network is debian-live on i forget. |
| 14:52.41 | wintix | !sata raid |
| 14:52.41 | dpkg | The FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 14:52.42 | en1gmaa | otfc or something |
| 14:53.42 | ma3x | rsync -av --delete old des <- why doesn't it delete the old archive? |
| 14:56.17 | liable | yes, irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net |
| 14:56.25 | wols_ | skyde: what raid controller is this? |
| 14:56.38 | wols_ | en1gmaa: oftc |
| 14:56.47 | en1gmaa | thanks |
| 14:56.56 | ma3x | rsync -av --delete old dest <- why doesn't it delete the old archive? |
| 14:57.04 | en1gmaa | think i will try and make a debian-live cd from my current config somehow |
| 14:57.23 | asg | en1gmaa: eaasily done with the bootcd package |
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| 14:57.45 | en1gmaa | ohh really? maybe i should do that instead |
| 14:58.26 | Tricore | Should I choose the 32-bit og 64-bit version of debian ? |
| 14:58.40 | asg | en1gmaa: build the system you want, run it, it generates and iso you can burn to CD. (or build your system in a chroot.) |
| 14:59.16 | asg | s/and iso/an iso/ |
| 14:59.34 | asg | en1gmaa: that's how we built our IBM blade installers when woody was stable. |
| 14:59.36 | wintix | depends on what you are going to do with the system, Tricore. for a desktop system where flash, etc is needed, 32bit might be the beter choice. if you are going to do photo/video/audio editing, 64bit might give more performance. |
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| 15:00.10 | Tricore | Flash wont run at all in 64-bit atm? |
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| 15:00.41 | liable | there is some sort of wrapper released recently |
| 15:00.54 | Tricore | hmmz okay |
| 15:01.15 | Tricore | Guess I'll just stick to 32-bit then. Thanks m8 :-) |
| 15:01.15 | liable | but really, unless you have a good reason for using 64, dont |
| 15:01.17 | spheard | anyone using webalizer? |
| 15:01.30 | wintix | !anyone |
| 15:01.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:01.33 | en1gmaa | asg sounds pretty nice...but what if the system i got currently running wasnt built with makeing it a bootable cd....can i just select what i want on the bootable cd |
| 15:01.41 | spheard | sod off dpkg |
| 15:02.01 | binary010 | Hey all need help with unixodbc .. was trying to compile and install..i'm getting an error that qpushbt.h is missing which is mentioned unixODBC-2.2.12/odbcinstQ/CAbout.h... i have libqt4-core libqt4-dev libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support qt4-dev-tools installed |
| 15:02.12 | wintix | spheard: dpkg is a bot. |
| 15:02.13 | binary010 | can anyone help or shed some light |
| 15:02.56 | spheard | wintix I am aware of that |
| 15:03.05 | wintix | yeah, sure. |
| 15:03.32 | spheard | I still shout at my computer, the damn thing still doesnt understand me |
| 15:03.36 | asg | en1gmaa: in that case, I'd use debootstrap to config a chroot with only what you want and then use bootcd to generate the iso from that. |
| 15:03.44 | binary010 | anyone |
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| 15:04.09 | liable | binary010: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:04.21 | binary010 | what debian qt package would have that file "qpushbt.h" |
| 15:04.40 | ma3x | how do I extract many .afio files? afio -i *.afio or * won't work |
| 15:05.11 | asg | ma3x: <generate list of .afio files> | while read i ; do <cmd> $i ; done |
| 15:05.19 | en1gmaa | asg i might be running into a problem already...i have an amd64 x2 proc...i installed debian sid i386 then switched to an amd64 kernel....i was looking at bootcd and i think it only does i386 |
| 15:05.59 | abrotman | asg: you did it again! |
| 15:06.15 | abrotman | !find qpushbt.h etch |
| 15:06.18 | ma3x | asg, thanks |
| 15:06.20 | abrotman | binary010: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:06.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qpushbt.h' (2): (/usr/include/qt3/qpushbt.h) in devel/libqt3-compat-headers ;; (/usr/include/lsb3/qt3/qpushbt.h) in devel/lsb-build-desktop3. |
| 15:06.24 | asg | en1gmaa: using debootstrap, you should be able to generate an iso using any kernel (doesn't have to be the running one.) |
| 15:06.34 | en1gmaa | ah ok |
| 15:06.41 | asg | en1gmaa: I haven't tested that but I can't see fundamentally why it wouldn't work. |
| 15:06.47 | asg | abrotman: it happens |
| 15:07.31 | abrotman | asg: i tried telling that to the police officer .. but they didn't buy it |
| 15:08.12 | asg | abrotman: most officers would not believe that 'you driving in the buff with your umbrella hat on' would just happen. |
| 15:08.19 | en1gmaa | one last Q if you dont mind....when i highlighted the bootcd initramfs it says i needed "discovery" to make an initrd...in synaptic i see discovery1 which is 1.7.21 and then i see discovery which is 2.1.1-2.1 which is the correct one |
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| 15:09.10 | en1gmaa | discovery1 is already installed so that is prob the right one but its version is older then disovery |
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| 15:09.29 | Ankman | yay, was able to install aptitude now after dist-upgrade :-) |
| 15:09.48 | Ankman | but my locale setting in /etc/defaults/locale is ignored |
| 15:10.03 | wintix | !locales |
| 15:10.03 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 15:11.20 | Ankman | wintix: ty |
| 15:15.15 | Ankman | still ignored |
| 15:15.38 | petemc | how so? |
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| 15:17.27 | Ankman | dunno |
| 15:17.36 | abrotman | asg: ew |
| 15:17.38 | Ankman | will overwrite in .bash_profile then |
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| 15:17.52 | Ankman | now apache2 doesn't work |
| 15:17.53 | Ankman | LOL |
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| 15:18.05 | Ankman | doesn't know of "Order" anymore |
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| 15:21.54 | alfadir | hi, udev add works, but udev remove does not get executed. SUBSYSTEMS=="mmc" && ATTRS{cid}=="XXX" is the only rule. also tried with out ATTRS{cid}. pointers ? |
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| 15:23.18 | revil | is there a LEDA devel package for debian users? |
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| 15:31.09 | spheard | how do I set up a ping daemon? |
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| 15:31.25 | asg | spheard: ping daemon? |
| 15:31.40 | spheard | yeah, dont you need something to return the ping? |
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| 15:31.52 | petemc | unless you block icmp, you should be good |
| 15:32.02 | asg | spheard: no, the kernel will send an icmp packet if it is allowed |
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| 15:32.16 | spheard | ah yeh, its wurkin now |
| 15:32.39 | spheard | what port does it use? |
| 15:32.47 | asg | spheard: icmp doesn't have ports |
| 15:33.02 | spheard | god I need to go to network school |
| 15:33.21 | asg | spheard: or read rfc 792 |
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| 15:34.28 | arpu | hi @all i have a problem on my debian server when i ill install a new package aptitude will remove the kernel :-( |
| 15:34.39 | arpu | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:34.39 | arpu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.43 | arpu | and no update |
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| 15:34.55 | asg | arpu: did you run aptitude update first? |
| 15:34.58 | spheard | or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Control_Message_Protocol, I tried reading rfc mans but I realised my time was better spent in the pub chatting up the members of the local university hockey team |
| 15:35.02 | arpu | asg yes |
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| 15:35.05 | cast | start aptitude with the ncurses interface and just hit + on those packages when it tries to remove them |
| 15:35.07 | chop1 | arpu: Can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 15:36.12 | arpu | chop1: http://pastebin.ca/525854 |
| 15:36.40 | chop1 | arpu: Are you running sarge, or etch? |
| 15:36.42 | asg | arpu: is this a new install or old? |
| 15:36.45 | arpu | chop1: i think the problem is i use stable and i can not make a dist-upgrade |
| 15:36.52 | arpu | a old one |
| 15:37.03 | asg | arpu: then change 'stable' to sarge and do aptitude update |
| 15:37.58 | asg | arpu: if you want to upgrade to etch (the new stable), check the /topic |
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| 15:38.00 | chop1 | arpu: In general putting 'stable' in sources.list is a bad idea, for exactly this reason. Pick a specific release and specify it. |
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| 15:38.04 | arpu | chop1: ok thx i give it a try |
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| 15:40.37 | ||arifaX | hi, i changed my laptop (same model) by just changing the hdd. i fixed my mac-addresses for the network cards in /etc/iftab now I think I need to do the same for my built in bluetooth device because my bluetooth mouse does no longer work. any ideas in which config files I should look or should the system automatically detect the new address of my bluetooth host adapter and the error is somewhere else? |
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| 15:45.23 | arpu | chop1: and all thx a lot now it works |
| 15:46.09 | chop1 | arpu: np |
| 15:46.44 | arpu | maybe you know something about this apache2 <defunct> |
| 15:46.48 | arpu | why this happends ? |
| 15:47.21 | Gathond | arpu: is it permanent or just one you happened to see? |
| 15:47.26 | arpu | ok i think this is the wrong channel |
| 15:47.38 | arpu | Gathond: i see it sometimes |
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| 15:48.06 | simonrvn | does it stay that way? |
| 15:48.16 | Gathond | arpu: its the state a process is in during/after exit but before its parent has fetched its exit value |
| 15:48.31 | arpu | simonrvn: no |
| 15:48.35 | Gathond | arpu: so during usage apache would be expected to have defunct processes for short periods |
| 15:48.40 | arpu | ok thx so this is normal |
| 15:48.50 | Gathond | as would any daemon whicn operates by starting/stopping child processes |
| 15:49.03 | Gathond | arpu: as long as the same PID does not stay in that state yes |
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| 15:52.18 | tomdick | which dynamic dns services have you guys used. are there any more reliable than others? |
| 15:53.02 | toicontento | dyndns use to work's fine, dynu fails a lot lately |
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| 15:54.09 | bcast | afraid.org |
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| 15:54.58 | chipdalf | hello, can anybody tell me, how i can read back a packetlist, that i did get with dpkg --get-selections > file.name. i would transfer that packetlist to an other machine... |
| 15:55.13 | mwe | I wan't to configure a secure remote file server. So FTP is not an option. I don't want the users to be able to browse the entire file system with ssh/scp. What are my options? |
| 15:55.19 | asg | chipdalf: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 15:55.26 | simonrvn | arpu: then you have nothing to worry about |
| 15:55.43 | chipdalf | asg: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 15:55.51 | simonrvn | arpu: oh, Gathond told you all the needed stuff, good |
| 15:55.56 | asg | chipdalf: type that in your irc client, our bot will give you the answer you seek |
| 15:56.34 | arpu | yes thx simonrvn and Gathond |
| 15:56.43 | simonrvn | np |
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| 15:57.08 | tomdick | i'm looking at the ww.no-ip.com site. are there any horror stories about them? |
| 15:57.34 | chipdalf | asg: thanks... i know that about the bots, but i had still your nick at the beginning of the line... thanks, i will try again... |
| 15:57.36 | JoshH | yes, i heard someone got murdered with an axe in their office once |
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| 15:57.51 | asg | chipdalf: :) no problem |
| 15:58.08 | tomdick | JoshH: so long as it didn't effect their service... |
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| 15:58.29 | nvz | tomdick: this has absolutly nothing what so ever to do with debian |
| 15:58.54 | chop1 | mwe: You could use WebDAV, or sftp (either configure some server to restrict access, or run from a chroot) |
| 15:58.56 | abrotman | so sayeth nvz .. so sayeth the lord! |
| 15:59.12 | nvz | believe me I got things I'd rather talk about right now.. heh |
| 15:59.18 | nvz | you don't see me ranting |
| 15:59.31 | andrewkl | Hi, I am new to Debian and I am trying to figure out how to "point" my sources to unstable. I'm sure it is easy to do but I haven't had any luck finding what sources I'm supposed to add. Thanks. |
| 15:59.34 | tomdick | nvz: actually, there is a tangential connection: I value the opinion of the people in this room (yourself excepted possibly ;-) |
| 15:59.41 | abrotman | you're in another channel specially designed for such things! |
| 15:59.44 | nvz | hah |
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| 15:59.47 | abrotman | tomdick: still doesn't matter |
| 15:59.55 | abrotman | andrewkl: if you have to ask .. please don't |
| 15:59.58 | cydork | andrewkl: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 16:00.07 | abrotman | andrewkl: sid can break .. sometimes badly |
| 16:00.13 | asg | !sid faq |
| 16:00.13 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:00.13 | cydork | !win abrotman |
| 16:00.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 16:01.06 | andrewkl | thanks, but I have debian in virtualbox so I'm really concerned about it breaking. |
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| 16:05.00 | chipdalf | asg: i did try, but i do not see any change if i check with dpkg --get-selections |
| 16:05.07 | tomdick | abrotman: if the 10 or so lines (including this one, and yours) generated by my question is considered that disruptive, i'll go pick other peoples brains. |
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| 16:05.53 | simonrvn | he's just another tom dick and harry :P |
| 16:06.00 | asg | chipdalf: and you did 'dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade' after copying the selectionfile to the other machine? If you are using aptitude, check /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 16:06.03 | nvz | heh I was just thinking that |
| 16:06.05 | simonrvn | (it had to be said) |
| 16:06.14 | liable | tom dick and hasbeen? |
| 16:06.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:06.27 | asg | better than tom, dick, and hasselhoff |
| 16:06.40 | simonrvn | for sure ! |
| 16:06.41 | chipdalf | asg: i did: dpkg --set-selections < Packetlist but it does not work... there are still the same packuages as usual... |
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| 16:07.03 | asg | chipdalf: did you do apt-get dselect-upgrade? |
| 16:07.05 | nvz | chipdalf: all it does it make selections |
| 16:07.05 | chipdalf | asg: and i am in the path of the paketlist... |
| 16:07.13 | Nookie^ | hi! i installed clean installation of debian 4.0 without any X.. how do i install gnome and stuff? |
| 16:07.16 | nvz | you have to actually apply them |
| 16:07.29 | spungles | anybody using debian on an NSLU2? |
| 16:07.33 | asg | spungles: I am |
| 16:07.45 | spungles | is there an unstable for it? |
| 16:07.55 | nvz | Nookie^: apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 16:07.59 | asg | spungles: of course, why wouldn't there be |
| 16:08.01 | chipdalf | nvz: and those i should see if i make a dpkg --get-selections ¦ more... should i not? |
| 16:08.09 | spungles | how unstable is it? |
| 16:08.18 | asg | spungles: as unstable as unstable on other architectures |
| 16:08.18 | spungles | i'd image packages are fairly stable |
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| 16:08.24 | Nookie^ | nvz stanx |
| 16:08.26 | spungles | but i'm wondering how the kernel and such is |
| 16:08.39 | spungles | with that wierd boot order thing that it has |
| 16:08.40 | asg | spungles: the bts will tell you |
| 16:08.41 | simonrvn | nslu2? |
| 16:08.46 | asg | simonrvn: slug |
| 16:08.55 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:09.09 | spungles | bts? |
| 16:09.13 | asg | simonrvn: those little cisco network storage devices (arm boxes) that can run pure debian |
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| 16:09.22 | simonrvn | !tell spungles -about bts |
| 16:09.27 | asg | spungles: the bug tracking system. If you run unstable, you should know about and use this. |
| 16:09.32 | spungles | ta |
| 16:09.35 | nvz | chipdalf: I dont think so, since they are only marked for install and not installed yet |
| 16:09.43 | simonrvn | asg: ah otay |
| 16:09.54 | asg | simonrvn: I'm ircing from mine now in fact :) |
| 16:10.17 | simonrvn | wth.. got a link i can look at one? |
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| 16:10.23 | meff | how do i put multiple packages in my preferences Package: line to pin a bunch without making tons of entries? |
| 16:10.34 | asg | simonrvn: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ |
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| 16:10.42 | spungles | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 16:10.48 | spungles | I've been stuck in redhat land for too long |
| 16:10.49 | simonrvn | meff: Package: * works |
| 16:10.54 | spungles | etch-unstable? |
| 16:11.02 | spungles | what are the other repo's? |
| 16:11.03 | simonrvn | there is no such thing |
| 16:11.08 | asg | spungles: etch is stable, lenny is testing, sid is always unstable |
| 16:11.13 | meff | simonrvn: i dont want all though |
| 16:11.15 | asg | spungles: and sarge is oldstable |
| 16:11.21 | spungles | main universe multiverse somethingelse |
| 16:11.25 | chipdalf | nvz: okay... i will see if it will work... thanks asg and nvz |
| 16:11.38 | liable | spungles: wrong distro |
| 16:11.41 | spungles | asg: what are you running..? |
| 16:11.47 | asg | spungles: etch |
| 16:11.49 | spungles | liable: what are the deb equivs.. |
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| 16:12.02 | liable | spungles: main contrib non-free |
| 16:12.19 | liable | spungles: plus debian-multimedia.org |
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| 16:13.15 | asg | nvz: it's on your task list underneath 'buy tacos' |
| 16:13.46 | nvz | asg: I had no intention of 'buying' any 'tacos' I just wanted to 'eat' them |
| 16:13.59 | spungles | i do like the fact that screen redraw works in vi |
| 16:14.09 | asg | spungles: the flashing? |
| 16:14.10 | spungles | openslug's redraw was always fucked. |
| 16:14.29 | asg | spungles: set 'vbell off |
| 16:14.35 | asg | spungles: in ~/.screenrc |
| 16:14.40 | spheard | http://rafb.net/p/uybGfI15.html - you win a prize if you can tell me what this is |
| 16:14.40 | spungles | nah - works fine |
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| 16:15.00 | DeeJayTwo | hi |
| 16:15.01 | spungles | under openslug it would just dump bits of the screen in random places as you exit edit mode |
| 16:15.09 | spungles | cntr-L sorts it |
| 16:15.12 | spungles | but it was annoying |
| 16:15.18 | spungles | thankfully, no more |
| 16:15.19 | simonrvn | asg: thanks |
| 16:15.25 | DeeJayTwo | I know how to set the speed duplex on an ethernet card with mii-tool but I don't know how to force it this way after a reboot.. |
| 16:15.47 | wols_ | DeeJayTwo: add it in your /etc/network/interfaces as a script |
| 16:15.50 | asg | simonrvn: other than the non-free firmware intel blob, it's a pure system. ( Linux gimp 2.6.18-4-ixp4xx #1 Sun Apr 22 08:34:11 UTC 2007 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 16:15.53 | asg | ) |
| 16:15.55 | nvz | ... with truckloads of spam no doubt |
| 16:15.58 | spungles | spheard: solar flares |
| 16:16.12 | simonrvn | wow |
| 16:16.45 | asg | simonrvn: and only cost $84 US from amazon |
| 16:16.49 | DeeJayTwo | wols_ wols_ : can the script command have parameters? |
| 16:16.50 | nvz | simonrvn: there are a slew of these devices poping up all over the place |
| 16:17.15 | DeeJayTwo | FliesLikeABrick: script mii-tool -F blah |
| 16:17.15 | DeeJayTwo | ? |
| 16:17.15 | asg | simonrvn: replaced my ancient p200 with it finally :) |
| 16:17.15 | DeeJayTwo | hor do I have to set it in shell script? |
| 16:17.29 | DeeJayTwo | err.. |
| 16:17.35 | wols_ | DeeJayTwo: afaik no. why does it need to? |
| 16:17.40 | DeeJayTwo | I means: wols_ instead of FliesLikeABrick |
| 16:17.41 | DeeJayTwo | ;) |
| 16:17.43 | DeeJayTwo | I meant.. |
| 16:17.53 | simonrvn | asg: what is it exactly, original purpose? mass storage? routing? |
| 16:18.09 | asg | simonrvn: it's a nas box that you plug usb storage into. |
| 16:18.17 | spungles | simonrvn: I have a pair of Lacie bricks attached to mine |
| 16:18.22 | spungles | does raid nicely |
| 16:18.26 | spungles | it's fairly quick |
| 16:18.37 | asg | simonrvn: it has 10/100 nick and 2 usb ports. I'm running mine on a 2G usb stick for the time being. |
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| 16:18.43 | spungles | although smb is a little slugish, although I suspect that's more my mbp's wifi |
| 16:18.51 | nvz | spheard: so, you don't have what I want, and I am certain of it |
| 16:19.34 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 16:19.36 | spheard | nvz: you would be very suprised, I am a versatile kinda online persona |
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| 16:19.45 | DeeJayTwo | strangely |
| 16:19.46 | DeeJayTwo | man interfaces: |
| 16:19.47 | DeeJayTwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.47 | DeeJayTwo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.48 | asg | simonrvn: it's about 1/2 the height of a bottle of beer :) |
| 16:19.53 | DeeJayTwo | I should be able to set a media.. |
| 16:19.56 | DeeJayTwo | but it doesn't work |
| 16:19.57 | simonrvn | O_O :) |
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| 16:20.09 | simonrvn | DeeJayTwo: you should be able to not paste here too |
| 16:20.11 | nvz | spheard: you misunderestimate (as GWB would say) my interest |
| 16:20.15 | DeeJayTwo | sorry |
| 16:20.24 | vyrus001 | i recompiled my kernel and now alsa does not work at all... i recompiled the drivers and alsa lib and bolth install perfictly.. but do not work |
| 16:20.29 | spungles | simonrvn: I use there - dead sexy in the corner |
| 16:20.29 | spungles | http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10693 |
| 16:21.05 | spungles | unfortunately I could only get red ones |
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| 16:21.14 | spungles | 500G appears to be red only |
| 16:21.18 | nvz | looks like legos |
| 16:21.33 | spungles | yep. they stack wonderfully. |
| 16:21.58 | spungles | i'm almost full - I might get a usb2.0 hub and another pair |
| 16:22.03 | spungles | raid 1+0 |
| 16:22.07 | nvz | so does what I want, stacks wonderfully on my... |
| 16:22.42 | chop1 | spungles: Do they USB-hub with one another when you stack them, so that you only need a single USB cable for the whole stack? |
| 16:23.00 | chop1 | spungles: That would make them mind-bogglingly fantastic IMO |
| 16:23.13 | spungles | chop1: no :( |
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| 16:23.26 | spungles | the other downside is they have powerbricks |
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| 16:23.34 | spungles | but they do have a long cable so those can be hidden |
| 16:23.55 | simonrvn | powerbrick keeps the heat away from it, that's a good thing |
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| 16:23.59 | spungles | the usb cable is fairly neat and short though, so works nicely with the NSLU2 sitting on top of them.. |
| 16:24.16 | chop1 | spungles: Yeah, the reason I'm asking is that I have a stack of 5 USB enclosures for work backups that are a big PITA with all their various power bricks and cables and whatnot (two different formats of powerbrick adapters, whee) |
| 16:24.33 | spheard | nvz you had to sully it by bringing him into it didnt you |
| 16:24.36 | spungles | yeh, they dont tend to run hot.. although I'm pondering figuring out how to spin down the drive since drive noise late at night = teh suck |
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| 16:25.11 | spungles | chop1: daisy chaining them would be 4tw |
| 16:26.00 | mwe | I wan't to set up a secure remote file server. I don't want users to be able to login and browse the entire file system with ssh/scp. What are my options? |
| 16:26.17 | chop1 | spungles: With spinning them down automatically for the very common case of them not being used for anything |
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| 16:26.20 | chop1 | Mmmm |
| 16:26.49 | spungles | well, that's the thin see. I reckon I push/pull data on them maybe once a week |
| 16:26.55 | spungles | since they're just media servers |
| 16:28.09 | liable | i hate it when people quit as i'm composing a response |
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| 16:28.21 | simonrvn | join the club |
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| 16:28.31 | sebdah | I've got a mysterious problem with my newly installed vsftpd server. I can't connect to it with local users (yes, I have set local_enable to yes). This has something to do with the user auth as the problem remains with pure-ftpd as well. Anonymous connections works without problem, but any user auth FTP connection fails. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to look? |
| 16:28.34 | spungles | i think I shall have to go to the pub |
| 16:28.54 | spheard | spungles: Fuckin yeah |
| 16:29.11 | simonrvn | "if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck, it might be our cat" |
| 16:29.16 | en1gmaa | is there a guide/howto that shows you how to make a live cd from your currently running os |
| 16:29.32 | en1gmaa | i dont want everything i got install on my hd to be in the live-cd |
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| 16:30.03 | spungles | heh, my first real paypal email |
| 16:30.07 | spungles | (no phising) |
| 16:30.14 | simonrvn | was wondering why it was noisy |
| 16:30.25 | chop1 | spungles: See also the Plan 9 storage appliance that was a jukebox of CD-Rs with the changer set up to automatically change to the disk where the data being requested was stored |
| 16:31.00 | arpu | re hi ;D when i use crontab -e where will the cronts saved ? |
| 16:31.02 | en1gmaa | asg to do a debootstrap do i have to have installed on my hd only what will be put on the live-cd |
| 16:31.04 | chop1 | spungles: As a filesystem, it had rather large latency, but the storage per unit cost was enormous (though it would have to be DVDs in modern terms) :-) |
| 16:31.06 | arpu | i need to backup |
| 16:31.11 | en1gmaa | or can i select what packages i want |
| 16:31.13 | asg | arpu: man cron |
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| 16:31.25 | liable | cute |
| 16:31.33 | chop1 | arpu: /var/spool/cronSOMETHINGOROTHER I think |
| 16:31.35 | liable | !nickometer o[-_-]o |
| 16:31.36 | dpkg | 'o[-_-]o' is 99.900% lame, liable |
| 16:31.41 | simonrvn | wow |
| 16:31.42 | arpu | yo thx |
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| 16:32.36 | simonrvn | /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 16:33.03 | asg | en1gmaa: no, debootstrap is used to build a custom debian filesystem on your hardrive somewhere. You can then chroot into that filesystem and install / remove whatever you don't need. Once that debootstrapped filesystem tree is to your liking, bootcd can build live-cd from it and either your running kernel or a custom one you point to. |
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| 16:33.27 | en1gmaa | sweet |
| 16:33.30 | en1gmaa | thanks |
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| 16:36.29 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 16:36.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd32 is <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all ! |
| 16:36.41 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:36.46 | asg | that's a good one |
| 16:36.46 | Kalisto | how dangerous if it to "reinstall" pam. im having trouble and want to start from a fresh slate (no special conf were undergone with pam after initial installation) |
| 16:36.56 | liable | hehe, havent seen that one before |
| 16:37.27 | asg | Kalisto: you could always boot from a rescue cd and fix things or boot with init=/bin/sh and bypass all auth. |
| 16:37.52 | asg | Kalisto: generally, if you have a root shell open, you should be okay no matter what. |
| 16:37.53 | Kalisto | asg, its not an auth problem.. pam basically works but not with a new module |
| 16:38.06 | asg | Kalisto: which module? |
| 16:38.12 | Kalisto | pam_mount |
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| 16:38.32 | simonrvn | you do know how to configure PAM right? |
| 16:38.36 | asg | Kalisto: well, if you haven't added the 'debug' option in /etc/pam.d/* config, it might help to do so. |
| 16:38.43 | Kalisto | asg, i have |
| 16:38.56 | Kalisto | simonrvn, kind of. but not really |
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| 16:39.36 | simonrvn | 1) order matters 2) RTFM 3) use debug if doing anything you don't know |
| 16:39.46 | chop1 | spungles: I'm not sure if you care, but the abstract of the Plan 9 storage appliance is at http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/seanq/p9fs.html |
| 16:40.03 | Kalisto | simonrvn, no shit |
| 16:40.33 | Kalisto | im asking here because in ubuntu no one is of help. here is the bug report: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2751209#post2751209 |
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| 16:40.56 | dmohr | does anyone know where I can find out if a PCI SATA card has good linux driver support (I don't care about raid, just fast & stable drivers for regular disk access) |
| 16:41.21 | simonrvn | well fine, be that way, i don't have to help you if you're gonna be that way |
| 16:41.37 | ma3x | hello. something I've been trying to find out for a long time and still didn't - when I do update-grub it goes to /etc/grub/menu.lst and renames all entries with root (hd0,0) to root (hd0,1) why? |
| 16:42.05 | Kalisto | simonrvn, no you do not. but i do not appreciate RTFM responses |
| 16:42.08 | simonrvn | 4) go see #ubuntu and leave, please |
| 16:42.35 | Kalisto | simonrvn, as i have said i cant get decent advice there |
| 16:43.04 | simonrvn | hm, must've been a ghost |
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| 16:43.44 | peppe | dmohr: usually you find them in a store, write down the model, find the chipset on google, find how is the chipset support in linux |
| 16:44.47 | dmohr | peppe: I'm trying to find a good place to see which chipsets are well supported :) that was the whole point of my question |
| 16:45.17 | Nurulwai | Bizzare error: Sometimes, when switching to my LCD display, it incorrectly thinks it is receving a resolution of 1280x1024. If I switch to a VT and back again, it'll normally pick up the correct res. I can repeat until it does. It happens maybe 25% of the time but it is annoying. The supposed res is 1680x1050 and it does display the correct res most of the time. Just sometimes it breaks and picks up 1280x1024. As far as I |
| 16:45.20 | simonrvn | google is the best, frankly. |
| 16:45.24 | dmohr | peppe: a lot of info out there is about raid support, which I won't use. I couldn't find a page for just driver quality |
| 16:45.36 | simonrvn | or $SEARCH_ENGINE_OF_OWN_CHOOSING |
| 16:45.55 | liable | dmohr: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
| 16:45.58 | E-bola | My mysql socket file got removed, how can i regenerate it? |
| 16:46.08 | simonrvn | restart it |
| 16:46.24 | E-bola | restarting fails |
| 16:46.36 | E-bola | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 16:46.39 | E-bola | and that file doesnt exist |
| 16:46.57 | E-bola | im restartign by issuying /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 16:47.05 | simonrvn | try stop; start |
| 16:47.37 | blinx | where I can set the default design in open office? |
| 16:47.48 | E-bola | same thing is logged |
| 16:47.58 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 16:47.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:48.04 | E-bola | where does the debian package of mysql log to? |
| 16:48.15 | E-bola | i could onyl find stuff in /var/log/debug |
| 16:48.17 | asg | E-bola: start with /var/log/syslog |
| 16:48.32 | simonrvn | syslog, it's own file if set up for it |
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| 16:48.36 | E-bola | ahh syslog has more details |
| 16:48.43 | meff | hmm |
| 16:49.05 | Darky | hi i want to connect my debian server without X, with my TV Screen |
| 16:49.07 | meff | im trying to make a pbuilder instance in lenny but all i get is "E: Unknown suite lenny" and it fails.. you'd think it knew its own dist? |
| 16:49.14 | simonrvn | i wasn't going to suggest mkfifo because i've tried that before and didn't work ;) |
| 16:49.41 | simonrvn | try testing maybe ... |
| 16:49.41 | Darky | is there something like a vga to svideo adapter? |
| 16:49.54 | rahul | Darky: yes, but they are crappy and expensive |
| 16:49.54 | asg | Darky: try #hardware (or ##hardware) |
| 16:50.03 | wols_ | Darky: there are. but OT for #debian |
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| 16:50.52 | Darky | does svideo to svideo work without nvidia drivers? |
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| 16:51.21 | E-bola | thanks again asg, it was a permissions issue |
| 16:51.30 | asg | E-bola: ah, glad you got that sorted |
| 16:51.30 | E-bola | im allmost done moving my mailscanner debian box |
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| 16:51.38 | E-bola | ur apt-get trick to clone packages worked like a charm |
| 16:51.43 | E-bola | and been movign the rest via rsync and tar |
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| 16:53.07 | NelsonM | hmm,m a dist-upgrade went badly. "fatal: epoll_create: Function not implemented" |
| 16:53.13 | NelsonM | maybe that's why half my servers are down |
| 16:53.23 | simonrvn | NelsonM: 2.4.x kernel? |
| 16:53.28 | NelsonM | yep |
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| 16:53.34 | simonrvn | that's why |
| 16:53.42 | NelsonM | do I have to move to 2.6 now? |
| 16:53.45 | simonrvn | switch to a 2.6 |
| 16:53.52 | asg | NelsonM: no epoll in 2.4.x |
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| 16:54.02 | NelsonM | thanks. always exciting to upgrade a kernel on a machine 2000 miles away :-) |
| 16:54.02 | spungles | md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2] sda1[0] |
| 16:54.02 | spungles | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.03 | spungles | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.21 | wols_ | NelsonM: are you running etch? |
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| 16:54.21 | spungles | hurray for mdadm :) |
| 16:54.24 | spungles | 9.8M isn't bad for a USB2 disk on a small arm box |
| 16:54.28 | NelsonM | is this a libc bug, or a design decision? |
| 16:54.29 | simonrvn | NelsonM: good luck |
| 16:54.42 | asg | spungles: not bad at all |
| 16:54.44 | simonrvn | kernel doesn't support epoll |
| 16:54.47 | wols_ | NelsonM: no bug |
| 16:54.59 | wols_ | NelsonM: you upgraded to etch without reading docs |
| 16:55.03 | spungles | asg: have you over clocked yours? |
| 16:55.04 | NelsonM | I'm set to use "testing" in my sources.list, so I get what I deserve |
| 16:55.15 | NelsonM | yeah, I just occasionally "dist-upgrade" and hope for the best :-) |
| 16:55.21 | wols_ | NelsonM: would probably happen with stable too |
| 16:55.33 | asg | spungles: nah, if I needed more performance, I would have boughta mini-itx or somesuch :) |
| 16:55.37 | NelsonM | shouldn't there be a massive warning when installing libc abuot a required kernel version? |
| 16:55.46 | spungles | asg: it's one jumper and it's *really* worth it |
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| 16:55.51 | wols_ | no. people read docs. you didn't. you lost |
| 16:55.56 | spungles | boost the output speed by like double |
| 16:56.01 | asg | spungles: what does it clock to? |
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| 16:56.03 | spungles | 266mhz is the chips natural clocking |
| 16:56.16 | spungles | but on some of the older boxes, they're clocked to 133 |
| 16:56.18 | NelsonM | the joy of apt is not reading docs for every update. a warning would probably help others from losing too :-) anyway, off reading docs. thanks for the help |
| 16:56.30 | simonrvn | np |
| 16:56.30 | spungles | although on the newer ones, linksys stopped adding the resistor |
| 16:56.34 | Arsthan | hi everyone |
| 16:56.36 | spungles | so you may have a newer model |
| 16:56.45 | gpm | NelsonM: you could file a wishlist bugs |
| 16:56.51 | asg | spungles: I'm pretty sure this is a newer one. I might crack the case the weekend and have a look. |
| 16:57.03 | spungles | what's /proc/cpu say your bogomips are? |
| 16:57.22 | simonrvn | !bogomips |
| 16:57.23 | dpkg | i heard bogomips is Bogus Millions of Instructions Per Second - the speed of your computer running an empty loop or not a valid benchmark comparison between different architectures or not a valid benchmark comparison between identical architectures, or `cat /proc/cpuinfo' to see it |
| 16:57.24 | asg | spungles: 132.71 |
| 16:57.29 | spungles | Processor : XScale-IXP42x Family rev 1 (v5l) |
| 16:57.30 | spungles | BogoMIPS : 266.24 |
| 16:57.39 | asg | so it is an older one |
| 16:57.56 | spungles | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OverClockTheSlug |
| 16:57.57 | asg | or your is already clocked |
| 16:57.58 | spungles | it's trivial.. |
| 16:58.04 | spungles | mine's overclocked |
| 16:58.21 | simonrvn | bogomips on one of my machines says 41.xx but should be at least 300.xx |
| 16:58.49 | spungles | I have that |
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| 16:58.55 | simonrvn | bogomips has been borken for some time ;) |
| 16:58.59 | Arsthan | i've some trouble with the apt :s it generates errors when upgrading ... |
| 16:58.59 | liable | does the wireless work ok with the old proc? |
| 16:59.04 | asg | spungles: I thought the older ones only had 16M of memory though; mine does have 32 factory. |
| 16:59.10 | liable | stupid windows |
| 16:59.13 | spungles | asg: so does mine |
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| 16:59.14 | nvz | bogomips : 2908.16 :P |
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| 16:59.39 | spungles | i used a knife to knock it off |
| 16:59.43 | spungles | the difference was massive |
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| 16:59.52 | pngwn | I used nail clippers ;) |
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| 16:59.55 | asg | nvz: bogomips : 5586.59 (and I have 8 of those in there) :p |
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| 17:00.22 | nvz | asg: heh, my box is a very old hand-me-down Athlon XP 1700+ system |
| 17:00.24 | spungles | damn. my 6900 doesn't have bogomips. |
| 17:00.26 | YanZh | anybody gots a bttv working on debian lenny? |
| 17:00.48 | asg | nvz: :) |
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| 17:00.55 | spungles | pubbah time. |
| 17:00.57 | spungles | ciao. |
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| 17:01.19 | asg | bottoms up |
| 17:01.39 | simonrvn | just make sure the open end is in your mouth first |
| 17:01.55 | ma3x | when I do update-grub it renames all menu.lst entries from hd0,0 to hd0,1 why???? |
| 17:01.55 | wols_ | !tell YanZh about anyone |
| 17:01.57 | asg | simonrvn: are you saying I have a drinking problem? |
| 17:01.59 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 17:02.02 | Arsthan | i'v some trouble when running the command "apt-get upgrade" ... it finish like this : |
| 17:02.02 | Arsthan | Dépaquetage de la mise à jour de debianutils ... |
| 17:02.02 | Arsthan | dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.19_i386.deb (--unpack) : |
| 17:02.02 | Arsthan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.02 | Arsthan | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : |
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| 17:02.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:02.31 | xingu | I don't have a drinking problem; I drink, I get drunk, I fall down - no problem. |
| 17:02.34 | asg | the problem is that it is in French; apt-get remove --purge french |
| 17:02.34 | mindeq | hi all i have a problem with boot ... i mean - i try to install debian from netinst ... when i press "enter" to boot, at first stange where i have to choose language, i get problem with my keyboard - the problem is that my keyboard doesn't work ... any key ... i'm trying to install debian to laptop .. please help me |
| 17:02.46 | nvz | sometimes I think something is wrong though as slow as this machine pokes along for being a 1466mhz/2908bogomips machine with 512MB ram |
| 17:02.51 | simonrvn | LANG=C apt-get ... |
| 17:03.01 | mindeq | simonrvn sorry ? |
| 17:03.07 | YanZh | wols_ it seams it does not load bttv anymore on my debian for several days |
| 17:03.11 | mindeq | where should i write this ? |
| 17:03.18 | mindeq | t the beginning of boot ? |
| 17:03.24 | simonrvn | mindeq: wasn't talking to you, it's ok |
| 17:03.29 | YanZh | wols_ it xcuse my sad english |
| 17:03.33 | mindeq | ah :/ |
| 17:03.38 | nvz | I recall a time when I was running off 266mhz or less machines with 128mb or less |
| 17:03.52 | nvz | and seemed to get more done |
| 17:03.56 | YanZh | wols_it only load defaults parameters |
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| 17:04.03 | simonrvn | mindeq: lemme guess, it doesn't find your usb based keyboard? |
| 17:04.12 | asg | nvz: my slackware 96 box had 30M of disk and 8M of ram |
| 17:04.14 | liable | oh, please dont start a 'when i had a p133' conversation |
| 17:04.24 | asg | liable: but they are so fun |
| 17:04.28 | mindeq | my keyboard is integrated i guess, cause i'm trying to install to my laptop |
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| 17:04.34 | simonrvn | 4 to 8 MB of what? disk or mem? |
| 17:04.36 | ma3x | from where does update-grub get the root device? |
| 17:04.39 | Gathond | simonrvn: RAM |
| 17:04.46 | simonrvn | :P |
| 17:04.55 | nvz | I think its some kind of conspiracy that these damn newer pcs dont seem to really move any quicker |
| 17:05.11 | wols_ | YanZh: how are you loading it and what are the errors? |
| 17:05.14 | Gathond | nvz: sure they do, you just have to install the old software:) |
| 17:05.29 | en1gma | when i type 'mount' or 'df -h' in console shouldnt it list my swap partition |
| 17:05.31 | asg | nvz: bloat |
| 17:05.32 | simonrvn | stop installing bloatware, and you'll be fine ;) |
| 17:05.33 | xingu | nvz: the recent ones do when you benchmark memory throughput :) |
| 17:05.49 | asg | en1gma: no |
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| 17:05.58 | lvh | hi. |
| 17:05.58 | liable | asg: not as much fun as the 'how i caught VD' conversation :) |
| 17:06.14 | rahul | "how I caught VB" |
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| 17:06.24 | simonrvn | i haven't ever, so i'll stay out of that one ;) |
| 17:06.25 | nvz | rahul: hah |
| 17:06.29 | asg | liable: "Why does it hurt when I pee" -- Frank Zappa |
| 17:06.34 | simonrvn | same for that one |
| 17:06.36 | nvz | if I hooked up that Athlon Slot A 800mhz system it would probably run circles around this Socket A AthlonXP 1700+ though its got a TNT2 and this got a ProSuckage |
| 17:06.42 | en1gma | what command lists it? the reason i ask is im prepoaring another hd that has an ext3 partion and swap partition i want to make sure my currently running system isnt using 2 swap partitions |
| 17:06.56 | mindeq | did anyone try to install debian to laptop ??? :/ |
| 17:06.58 | asg | en1gma: free |
| 17:07.01 | en1gma | thanks |
| 17:07.07 | liable | asg: catholic girls.. goddamn VD spreaders :) |
| 17:07.14 | nvz | heh |
| 17:07.24 | simonrvn | mindeq: i suggest reading the installation guide, more detailed than an irc convo |
| 17:07.34 | xingu | nvz: http://icl.cs.utk.edu/projects/llcbench/index.html <-- use cachebench from this guy and run the result through gnuplot |
| 17:07.45 | asg | en1gma: or swapon -s |
| 17:07.51 | rahul | wtf, someone kick stoned in the arse for me |
| 17:07.51 | YanZh | wols_ i ve created /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file with correct options and add bttv in /etc/modules |
| 17:07.54 | asg | liable: gotta love that mustache thoug |
| 17:08.29 | liable | asg: been a long time since i heard it actually, must get some of his albums again |
| 17:08.46 | asg | liable: yeah, good stuff. |
| 17:08.55 | liable | twisted :) |
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| 17:09.10 | nvz | xingu: I guess you gotta compile that, as its not in debian? |
| 17:09.57 | liable | hehe |
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| 17:10.17 | Darkarix | how could I check the status of a package with apt-get? |
| 17:10.18 | asg | better to sacrifice Dave2's inflatable goat |
| 17:10.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:10.27 | asg | Darkarix: define status |
| 17:10.37 | YanZh | wols_ something's wrong? |
| 17:10.40 | asg | simonrvn: http://www.jpgclan.com/INTERESTINGGIFT1.jpeg |
| 17:10.45 | simonrvn | #DEFINE status |
| 17:10.52 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 17:10.59 | asg | simonrvn: #DEFINE status wonky |
| 17:11.09 | simonrvn | i couldn't resist =) |
| 17:11.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:11.18 | wols_ | YanZh: yes. you not giving us the error message is VERY wrong |
| 17:11.21 | Darkarix | it doesn't work |
| 17:11.31 | Darkarix | says command not found |
| 17:11.32 | xingu | nvz: correct. :) |
| 17:11.34 | asg | Darkarix: what doesn't work? |
| 17:11.41 | Darkarix | the command |
| 17:11.45 | liable | Darkarix: dpkg -l package |
| 17:11.45 | asg | which command? |
| 17:11.47 | wols_ | Darkarix: pdkg -l <package name> |
| 17:12.16 | simonrvn | asg: oh fuck, that's funnay and sick |
| 17:12.24 | asg | simonrvn: isn't it? :) |
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| 17:12.27 | Darkarix | ok |
| 17:12.29 | Darkarix | ty |
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| 17:13.14 | liable | the kiwis have sheep |
| 17:13.47 | nvz | !be compiling 3rd party software barbie |
| 17:13.47 | dpkg | compiling 3rd party software is hard! |
| 17:13.48 | dwschool | i can't get samba in debian to join ad. says failed to join domain, sometimes it says pre authentication failed |
| 17:13.50 | simonrvn | how could they, they're ovoid, green, and fuzzy? :P |
| 17:14.12 | NelsonM | \o/ debian! machine rebooted after the 2.6 upgrade. I don't have to fly to Texas. |
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| 17:14.24 | simonrvn | NelsonM: congrats |
| 17:14.35 | asg | NelsonM: could have used that as an excuse for a vacy though ... granted, you did mention Texas |
| 17:14.38 | liable | oh, thats what he was praying for.. |
| 17:14.41 | NelsonM | yeah, I mean, have you *been* to Texas? |
| 17:14.55 | bcast | I hear the south is nice |
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| 17:14.57 | liable | thats a relief |
| 17:14.57 | NelsonM | I know you guys are deep into Debian a nd it's obvious that etch requires a kernel upgrades, and kernel upgrades require a seven step process to be safe |
| 17:15.00 | JosefAssad | NelsonM: some of us have to fly to Yemen. Consider yourself lucky |
| 17:15.18 | NelsonM | but I used to do stuff that carefully, and I'm tired of it. so now I type "apt-get upgrade" and hope for the best. and so far, I've never been burned too badly |
| 17:15.20 | Bogus8 | I used rsync --archive -vv --stats --progress --rsh=ssh --sparse <source> <destination> to transfer some files over my network.. well the destination dir was the same on two of the transfers... should that command have erased what I had previously rsynced to that dir? |
| 17:15.27 | liable | NelsonM: theres a magical text called "release notes" :) |
| 17:15.46 | NelsonM | yeah, I finally found the release notes. there's a big note about "userspace applications should continue to work with 2.4 kernels". so I stopped reading it |
| 17:15.50 | NelsonM | maybe I found the wrong release notes |
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| 17:16.00 | purplepenguins | a chronicle of the trials and tribulations of software development |
| 17:16.05 | jelly | Bogus8: only if you had added --delete to the mix |
| 17:16.06 | dwschool | please ensure that the dns domain of this server matches the ad domain |
| 17:16.11 | purplepenguins | the hero, a programming fighting against the infernal bug invasion |
| 17:16.14 | NelsonM | anyway, I'm always amazed when kernel upgrades just work. that's pretty awesome. |
| 17:16.23 | Bogus8 | jelly: I didn't, but yet a dir with 30gigs of data disappeared :( |
| 17:16.31 | YanZh | wols_ in kern.log there is bttv0: using: *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC *** [card=0,autodetected] and i put card=100 in bttv |
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| 17:16.47 | jelly | Bogus8: that's kinda weird I guess |
| 17:16.53 | en1gma | asg shouldnt swapon -a mount all swap partitions? |
| 17:17.00 | Bogus8 | jelly: word |
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| 17:17.07 | asg | en1gma: yes. I said 'swapon -s' though |
| 17:17.08 | wols_ | YanZh: use a module parameter in /etc/modules. same line as bttw |
| 17:17.22 | asg | en1gma: unless they are flagged 'noauto' |
| 17:17.48 | Bogus8 | jelly: wait... I just found it... it didn't copy the parent dir just all the sub dirs and I just wasn't seeing them in the midst of all the other dir's that got added |
| 17:17.49 | jelly | or if they're not in fstab |
| 17:17.57 | Bogus8 | this is gonna kind of suck picking them all out :( |
| 17:18.08 | simonrvn | mc to the rescue! |
| 17:18.17 | jelly | mc hammer? |
| 17:18.21 | NelsonM | wols: I'm set to sync to "testing". I guess that means I'm running etch now. |
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| 17:18.27 | simonrvn | can be if you like ;) |
| 17:18.31 | NelsonM | I know it's my own damn fault for running testing and not reading docs. It's ok. |
| 17:18.38 | wols_ | NelsonM: no you don't |
| 17:18.41 | wols_ | NelsonM: you run lenny |
| 17:18.42 | simonrvn | NelsonM: lenny. etch went stable |
| 17:18.45 | asg | NelsonM: etch is now stable |
| 17:18.48 | NelsonM | oh! wow! |
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| 17:18.51 | en1gma | well i formatted another physical drive ext3 partition and a swap partition and i mounted it to /debootstrap "mount /dev/sda1 /debootstrap" now shouldnt "swapon -a" be detecting that mounted drives partition? |
| 17:19.10 | NelsonM | shows what I know :-) |
| 17:19.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:19.20 | NelsonM | (I'm not a total idiot, I've been a Unix admin for 15+ years. I'm just lazy now.) |
| 17:19.21 | simonrvn | more, now ;) |
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| 17:19.29 | jelly | en1gma: swapon -a wil only pick the ones mentioned in /etc/fstab |
| 17:19.35 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 17:19.37 | asg | en1gma: swapon reads /etc/fstab. Is your new swap defined there? |
| 17:19.43 | JosefAssad | NelsonM: unix admin 15+ yrs and lazy is a tautology |
| 17:19.52 | en1gma | so i need to tell swapon to specifically mount the drive |
| 17:20.00 | en1gma | no i dont think so |
| 17:20.08 | asg | simonrvn: you'll go blind doing that |
| 17:20.10 | simonrvn | pulls out* |
| 17:20.12 | YanZh | wols_ you mean i put what's in bttv in modules ? |
| 17:20.15 | NelsonM | Josef: hahaha |
| 17:20.25 | simonrvn | and yeh that was intentional, but not leaving out the 'out' |
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| 17:20.56 | simonrvn | so the joke bombed :/ |
| 17:21.03 | jelly | !stop |
| 17:21.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stop is HAMMERTIME |
| 17:21.07 | JosefAssad | NelsonM: the best ones I had were lazy buggers. Experience :) |
| 17:21.10 | jelly | bah |
| 17:21.16 | asg | simonrvn: people have no sense of humor anymore |
| 17:21.21 | wols_ | I mean give bttw in /etc/modules parameters |
| 17:21.45 | simonrvn | asg: i know :(. it's sad |
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| 17:22.07 | asg | more beer! |
| 17:22.28 | YanZh | wols_ bttv is already in modules |
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| 17:22.33 | en1gma | will "free" show more then 1 mounted swap? |
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| 17:22.37 | eshaase | i'm trying to determine whether this video card i want to buy is compatible with linux, can anyone recommend a good source? |
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| 17:23.08 | simonrvn | google it. best way IMO |
| 17:23.14 | jelly | eshaase: take it's PCI id and google |
| 17:23.25 | jelly | s/it's/its/ |
| 17:23.51 | simonrvn | easy to spot if you only see windows people bitching, or you see linux people bitching, on mailing lists and web forums ;) |
| 17:23.51 | wols_ | YanZh: I know it is, but it possibly lacks parameters |
| 17:24.01 | en1gma | nm that swapon -s lists it |
| 17:24.01 | eshaase | jelly: i don't have its PCI is yet |
| 17:24.06 | wols_ | eshaase: ask in one channel. not five |
| 17:24.08 | jelly | simonrvn: but, is linux people bitching good or bad? |
| 17:24.09 | eshaase | jelly: you mean it's pci id using lspci? |
| 17:24.14 | jelly | eshaase: right |
| 17:24.22 | simonrvn | jelly: depends on the summary |
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| 17:24.29 | wols_ | eshaase: I alredy told you, a GF7600GS is supported |
| 17:24.37 | eshaase | yeah, i don't have that yet |
| 17:24.51 | eshaase | wols_: well i wanted to be a little more sure =) |
| 17:24.57 | dwschool | must i set serviceprinciplename on server 2003 to authenticate against it with samba/kerberose |
| 17:25.06 | simonrvn | wols_ isn't full of shit |
| 17:25.07 | eshaase | was expecting a site link or something |
| 17:25.08 | YanZh | wols_ i've changed nothing in this files and it worked...there was no parameter just |
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| 17:25.12 | YanZh | bttv |
| 17:25.26 | wols_ | simonrvn: half full then? |
| 17:25.29 | wols_ | or half empty? |
| 17:25.37 | simonrvn | dwschool: we don't support windows in here |
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| 17:25.45 | simonrvn | half full kinda guy |
| 17:25.54 | wols_ | simonrvn: we support upgrading windows don't we? |
| 17:26.01 | dwschool | i'm tryign to get support for samba |
| 17:26.06 | Darkarix | I've Debian sid, but when I switch to console mode there's write "Debian Lenny/sid": why? |
| 17:26.09 | simonrvn | ...to a debian OS indeed |
| 17:26.20 | simonrvn | dwschool: they have a channel, #samba |
| 17:26.29 | chop1 | Darkarix: The version string for sid changes more or less randomly as releases come and go |
| 17:26.31 | simonrvn | Darkarix: because |
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| 17:26.44 | dwschool | nobody over there seems will to help |
| 17:26.56 | simonrvn | they're probably just afk |
| 17:27.10 | Darkarix | chop1: so it's normal? |
| 17:27.22 | jelly | Darkarix: three! (really, because packages from sid always end up in testing) |
| 17:27.22 | wols_ | Darkarix: yes |
| 17:27.23 | dwschool | please ensure that the dns domain of this server matches the ad domain |
| 17:27.27 | dwschool | whatcould this mean |
| 17:27.28 | chop1 | Darkarix: It is, indeed, normal. That one even has "sid" in it; that's better than it is sometimes :-) |
| 17:27.36 | simonrvn | dwschool: that's pretty obvious to me |
| 17:28.04 | Darkarix | ok ty very much |
| 17:28.28 | sohmestra | dwschool: I bet google could answer that one for you.. |
| 17:28.39 | dwschool | well, it seems obvious but everything seems fine |
| 17:28.53 | dwschool | is it referring to the server fqdn |
| 17:29.05 | simonrvn | dwschool: ok, i'll break it down for you. whatever ad has as its domain, the dns entry for the machine you're trying to add should have the same domain |
| 17:29.08 | dwschool | or the dns server on the eth |
| 17:29.34 | dwschool | ok, i do have that |
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| 17:29.42 | simonrvn | i don't think the fqdn matters, just domain |
| 17:32.40 | dwschool | computername.my.domain |
| 17:32.40 | simonrvn | that's fqdn |
| 17:32.40 | dwschool | were do i set the domain? |
| 17:32.40 | simonrvn | my.domain |
| 17:32.40 | valdyn | dwschool: that domain wouldnt be the domain but the tld |
| 17:32.41 | simonrvn | e.g., mydomain.tld |
| 17:32.41 | dwschool | so i should have an entry in the host file for my.domain? |
| 17:32.41 | simonrvn | no, in dns |
| 17:32.41 | simonrvn | please note i have very little info on this, and i'm going by what that error message is saying.... |
| 17:32.41 | simonrvn | afk |
| 17:33.09 | asg | dwschool: you should also look at the 'Using Samba' book which you can read online at oreilly.com/openbook. They have a chapter dealing with AD iirc. |
| 17:33.10 | dwschool | ok, do i set it in resolve.onf? |
| 17:33.20 | dwschool | asg: i have it |
| 17:33.32 | dwschool | i've been working at it for days |
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| 17:33.51 | wols_ | Darkarix: not in resolv.conf |
| 17:34.00 | wols_ | erm dwschool |
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| 17:34.59 | valdyn | dwschool: maybe you should learn what dns is first |
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| 17:35.18 | valdyn | dwschool: resolv.conf sets the nameserver and the search domain(s), not names themselves |
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| 17:36.10 | kubrick | hi |
| 17:36.20 | YanZh | no morrrrr idea? |
| 17:36.29 | kubrick | is there a way to remove all those files that a upgrade is supposed to remove? |
| 17:36.40 | chop1 | kubrick: upgrade? :-) |
| 17:36.44 | kubrick | chop1: yep |
| 17:36.46 | kubrick | for example |
| 17:37.02 | valdyn | kubrick: why would upgrade remove files? |
| 17:37.14 | kubrick | the hdparm's changelog in sid says about removing KXXhdparm symlinks in rc0 and rc6 |
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| 17:37.41 | kubrick | but after the upgrade, the files still are there |
| 17:37.41 | chop1 | kubrick: No, I'm suggesting that you upgrade. That will remove precisely those files that an upgrade is supposed to remove. Removing them in some other fashion is probably not a good idea. |
| 17:37.41 | N`Kr1pt | is it true, that if you run debian on a risc computer, that you can't use that many software? |
| 17:37.55 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: no |
| 17:37.56 | chop1 | kubrick: Things in /etc are generally okay just to rm; symlinks in rc0 and the like certainly are |
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| 17:38.14 | chop1 | kubrick: Er, if you're sure that you really don't want the thing to run via sysvinit, of course |
| 17:38.30 | N`Kr1pt | valdyn, can you run every debian package that exists on a risc computer? |
| 17:38.48 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: no |
| 17:38.49 | N`Kr1pt | or are there restrictions? like w32codecs etc? |
| 17:38.53 | kubrick | chop1: well, the changelog says that those files are completely useless, after taking a look to the stop fuction in them, I agree completely |
| 17:38.53 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: that doesnt really have to do a thing with risc |
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| 17:39.06 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: you cant run w32codecs on any other arch than i386 |
| 17:39.07 | kubrick | so, I going to remove them, but... there is a problem |
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| 17:39.31 | xingu | w32codecs aren't a debian package |
| 17:39.33 | kubrick | I dont usually take a look to the changelogs, so Im sure Im storing a lot of garbage in my /etc |
| 17:39.59 | kubrick | would be nice to be warned about it |
| 17:40.00 | maddash | "swsusp: Need to copy 67763 pages" -- how do I get the number of bytes per page? |
| 17:40.07 | N`Kr1pt | hmz, is it possible to watch xvid, divx etc on a risc machine? |
| 17:40.15 | en1gma | im following this debootstrap guide http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/59455/ and he is not clear when he gets to this step "OK. You've got a few things to configure that would ordinarily be handled by the Debian installer:" can someone tell me what im supposed to do there |
| 17:40.31 | Darkarix | there's a way to configure wireless on Virtualbox? I'm using ndiswrapper right now |
| 17:40.41 | chop1 | kubrick: You can try the 'cruft' package |
| 17:40.45 | xingu | N`Kr1pt: risc is mostly a marketing term; perhaps it would be easier if you named an actual system instead of a brochure buzzword. |
| 17:40.47 | kubrick | chop1: thanks |
| 17:41.01 | N`Kr1pt | the PS3 is what I mean |
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| 17:41.14 | N`Kr1pt | I would like to run debian on it and use it as a linux media center |
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| 17:41.26 | chop1 | N`Kr1pt: In general, a lot of non-free software (which includes many video codecs, yes) won't run on anything except i386. |
| 17:41.27 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 17:42.02 | o2T7 | Something like sort() but for putting out of order a numerical sequence? |
| 17:42.29 | valdyn | o2T7: WHAT? |
| 17:42.42 | N`Kr1pt | hmz using a ps3 as a linux media center isn't such a great idea then I guess |
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| 17:42.47 | Gathond | o2T7: something to randomize the order of a list of numbers? |
| 17:42.49 | chop1 | N`Kr1pt: You can try to be rigorous in your choice of software and media, so that you stick to freely implemented formats, or you can stick with i386, or you can fool with emulation. |
| 17:42.52 | valdyn | o2T7: you want to shuffle an ordered list? |
| 17:43.01 | o2T7 | that's it |
| 17:43.04 | o2T7 | imagine |
| 17:44.25 | Gathond | N`Kr1pt: depends, on whether you control the content |
| 17:44.26 | o2T7 | `seq 1 15` |
| 17:44.26 | o2T7 | and put out of order that output |
| 17:44.26 | chop1 | o2T7: I have a script that does that |
| 17:44.26 | wols_ | N`Kr1pt: a PS3 uses a crappy poewrpc cpu. and no you cannot run w32codecs on that |
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| 17:44.26 | chop1 | o2T7: sec |
| 17:44.26 | wols_ | you can only run everything that is in main |
| 17:44.27 | o2T7 | I thought it would be a simple tool |
| 17:44.27 | simonrvn | crappy?! |
| 17:44.27 | chop1 | o2T7: It is :-) |
| 17:44.27 | o2T7 | sec ? |
| 17:44.27 | chop1 | o2T7: Just a second |
| 17:44.28 | o2T7 | do you mean seq ? |
| 17:44.28 | o2T7 | ah, ok |
| 17:44.30 | o2T7 | :$ |
| 17:44.30 | chop1 | o2T7: No, I mean sec |
| 17:44.32 | o2T7 | hehe |
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| 17:46.18 | asg | o2T7: the 'randomize-lines' package |
| 17:46.30 | o2T7 | let's see |
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| 17:46.38 | asg | or bogosort |
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| 17:46.58 | simonrvn | !+find bin/bogosort |
| 17:46.58 | o2T7 | do you know which is simpler? |
| 17:46.59 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:47.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/bogosort' (1): (/usr/bin/bogosort) in utils/bogosort. |
| 17:47.15 | asg | o2T7: no, but I imagine the first is since the latter is dual-purpose. |
| 17:47.22 | o2T7 | k |
| 17:47.23 | o2T7 | ok |
| 17:47.25 | o2T7 | * |
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| 17:47.54 | o2T7 | Yes, it is light. 14,3 Kb |
| 17:48.21 | asg | o2T7: there's probably a quick way to do it via bash or sh also. |
| 17:48.32 | simonrvn | $RANDOM ;p |
| 17:48.45 | o2T7 | oh, no, rl is perfect |
| 17:48.47 | o2T7 | ;) |
| 17:48.55 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 17:48.56 | o2T7 | Thank you! |
| 17:48.57 | JosefAssad | gah... ipod doesn't automount to amarok's liking. Grrr. |
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| 17:50.29 | asg | simonrvn: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ#head-4e9225fc5c28b323c17dd236b564e3fcb96c688a |
| 17:50.31 | asg | simonrvn: greycat to the rescue |
| 17:51.03 | simonrvn | greycat you fricking rock even when absent |
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| 17:52.13 | xingu | that's just wrong. |
| 17:52.21 | xingu | so wrong. :) |
| 17:52.52 | simonrvn | ah good, $RANDOM takes an operator |
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| 17:53.13 | JosefAssad | howtoforge frigging SUCKS |
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| 17:54.08 | xingu | simonrvn: it's ${files[RANDOM % n]} that's making me barf. |
| 17:54.09 | x_link | hrmm |
| 17:54.25 | valdyn | o2T7: man shuf |
| 17:54.27 | x_link | I have to run "sudo alsaconf" everytime I reboot. It was like this once before. |
| 17:54.40 | x_link | Is there anything I can do about this? |
| 17:54.55 | asg | valdyn: no shuf to be found it seems |
| 17:55.07 | valdyn | asg: uh? i have it |
| 17:55.19 | asg | valdyn: isn't in etch |
| 17:55.30 | xingu | valdyn: be a hero and put a pointer into the wiki then :) |
| 17:55.39 | simonrvn | modulo n... that could be problematic if the index didn't start at 0 (like it does in 90+% of languages) |
| 17:55.41 | valdyn | !find bin/shuf |
| 17:55.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/shuf' (1): (/usr/bin/shuffle) in science/biosquid. |
| 17:55.53 | |dennis| | iptables Question: using etch: http://www.pastebin.ca/526117 |
| 17:56.02 | asg | valdyn: is that the same shuf though? Might be. |
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| 17:56.04 | RaphaelZ | hi |
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| 17:56.25 | valdyn | asg: Write a random permutation of the input lines to standard output |
| 17:56.33 | valdyn | !find bin/shuf etch |
| 17:56.36 | RaphaelZ | hey, which one is better for a normal server usage, debian sarge 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 17:56.37 | asg | valdyn: sounds like the right one |
| 17:56.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/shuf' (1): (/usr/bin/shuffle) in science/biosquid. |
| 17:56.41 | RaphaelZ | AMD Athlon 64 |
| 17:56.43 | asg | valdyn: yeah, biosquid is in etch |
| 17:56.44 | simonrvn | sure does |
| 17:57.09 | liable | dpkg: no need to repeat yourself |
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| 17:57.23 | RaphaelZ | any preferences? 32 or 64? :> |
| 17:57.40 | liable | dpkg: answer me! |
| 17:57.49 | Erki|Trompeten | !answer |
| 17:57.49 | dpkg | It is common on #debian to tell people what they need to know, not what they _think_ they want to know |
| 17:57.50 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 17:58.28 | liable | ignorant bot |
| 17:58.55 | Erki|Trompeten | !ignorant |
| 17:58.55 | dpkg | ignorant is probably an expression that describes the fact apt doesnt know something |
| 17:59.24 | simonrvn | x_link: anybody left 10 minutes ago |
| 17:59.42 | JosefAssad | I'd call that a bloody good answer from the bot, wouldn't call it ignorant |
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| 18:00.48 | Erki|Trompeten | I also always enjoy the dpkg bot's answers! |
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| 18:00.56 | x_link | simonrvn: Well can you help me? |
| 18:01.30 | abrotman | simonrvn: PLEASE .. NO ONE ELSE LIKES ME .. HELP ME PLEASE! |
| 18:01.31 | simonrvn | well "i have to run sudo alsconf after every reboot" isn't very helpful... what does that do? |
| 18:01.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 18:01.43 | asg | valdyn: I updated the wiki and gave you creds in the changelog. |
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| 18:01.45 | abrotman | aptitude install linux-sound-base |
| 18:02.03 | neoecs | Does X usually work on a new installation of Debian with netinst? Or should I need additional settings? |
| 18:02.07 | valdyn | asg: oo, to nice ) |
| 18:05.05 | xarquid | You can install whatever you want with a net install, neoecs |
| 18:05.05 | xarquid | Just select Desktop or Laptop Environment and X will be installed. |
| 18:05.05 | x_link | simonrvn: It finds/configures the soundcard |
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| 18:05.06 | neoecs | xarquid, yeah. I chose to install with X. Should it work directly, or do I need to set up in xorg.conf? |
| 18:05.06 | Erki|Trompeten | neoecs: It works fine with "apt-get install xserver-xorg kde" |
| 18:05.06 | simonrvn | i know, but obviously it already is. what else? |
| 18:05.06 | xarquid | It will work directly |
| 18:05.06 | |DuReX| | hhow can u change other boot disk @ grub ? |
| 18:05.06 | |DuReX| | when u boot ? |
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| 18:05.07 | neoecs | Hmm. Okay. It doesn't find the screen right now, I'll have to do some other settings, then. |
| 18:05.07 | xarquid | If it DOESN'T (which it WILL most likely work in one form or another -- if not perfectly) then you would have to edit or redo the config. But it should work. |
| 18:05.07 | neoecs | I get "Fatal server error: No scree found |
| 18:05.07 | neoecs | screens* |
| 18:05.08 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 18:05.09 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 18:05.09 | Erki|Trompeten | You just need to fix xorg.conf if you have a sh** ATI card, like me. |
| 18:05.10 | neoecs | Ah. Nice. :) |
| 18:05.11 | neoecs | Thanks |
| 18:05.11 | valdyn | Erki|Trompeten: xerver-xorg does not install a functional X |
| 18:05.11 | |DuReX| | guys, i added a harddisk, and now that disks is /dev/sda, but there was my root harddisk, and now it doesn't boot anymore :( |
| 18:05.11 | Erki|Trompeten | valdyn: Hm. I thought I did it this way last time. |
| 18:05.12 | |DuReX| | any id to solve it ? |
| 18:05.16 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 18:05.16 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 18:05.18 | valdyn | Erki|Trompeten: people will get ^^ error |
| 18:05.30 | xingu | asg: you got some cachebench output for me yet from that monster? :) |
| 18:05.42 | o2T7 | Oh, I seize my visit to ask about my problem with nvidia |
| 18:05.46 | neoecs | I don't have dpkg-reconfigure :3 |
| 18:05.52 | simonrvn | /usr/sbin |
| 18:05.58 | neoecs | Ah. |
| 18:05.58 | neoecs | su |
| 18:06.04 | simonrvn | su - |
| 18:06.04 | E-bola | What does debian call the linux-restricted-modules package (trhats what ubuntu calls it) |
| 18:06.05 | o2T7 | when I install the stable or the beta driver it everithing rules fine |
| 18:06.07 | Erki|Trompeten | Ok. |
| 18:06.10 | valdyn | Erki|Trompeten: and various non-functional x extensions. I havent tracked down that though |
| 18:06.26 | o2T7 | but after rebooting it gives me "Violacion de segmento" |
| 18:06.28 | simonrvn | E-bola: no such thing in debian |
| 18:06.34 | o2T7 | (segmentation fault) |
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| 18:06.40 | o2T7 | when running X |
| 18:06.44 | Erki|Trompeten | valdyn: So how can you install X from a working non X install? |
| 18:06.46 | E-bola | simonrvn: do you know what it is? |
| 18:06.51 | E-bola | is it non opensource stuff? |
| 18:06.56 | Erki|Trompeten | valdyn: Might be interesting for me too someday. |
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| 18:07.06 | simonrvn | o2T7: missing gl shit i bet, or not enabled in xserver |
| 18:07.11 | |DuReX| | guys, i added a harddisk, and now that disks is /dev/sda, but there was my root harddisk, and now it doesn't boot anymore :( how can i solve this N? |
| 18:07.19 | o2T7 | Recompiling the driver makes it rule again |
| 18:07.20 | simonrvn | E-bola: yes, and no such thing in debian |
| 18:07.31 | valdyn | Erki|Trompeten: apt-get install xorg ( or probably preferable: apt-get install x-window-system-core skips some things i consider a waste, like a font server ) |
| 18:07.42 | o2T7 | Why does it rule the first time then? |
| 18:07.50 | Erki|Trompeten | valdyn: Well ok, thx. |
| 18:07.55 | simonrvn | "rule"? |
| 18:08.00 | o2T7 | work* |
| 18:08.09 | o2T7 | sorry for my poor english :$ |
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| 18:08.22 | simonrvn | !tell o2T7 -about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:08.24 | E-bola | im trying to figure out |
| 18:08.27 | valdyn | |DuReX|: check your bios |
| 18:08.28 | o2T7 | I do my best xD |
| 18:08.30 | simonrvn | start with that |
| 18:08.32 | E-bola | how to install ms virtual server additions under debian |
| 18:08.36 | E-bola | and could only find an ubuntu howto |
| 18:08.42 | E-bola | and it lists the restricted modules and required |
| 18:08.44 | o2T7 | ok, let's try it |
| 18:08.49 | E-bola | doesnt say why or whats required |
| 18:08.50 | hark | x-window-system-core depends on xorg as well :) |
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| 18:08.59 | o2T7 | Thank you |
| 18:09.04 | simonrvn | E-bola: it's what debian would consider non-free kernel drivers |
| 18:09.21 | simonrvn | E-bola: ubuntu stuck a bunch of them in one package |
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| 18:09.39 | E-bola | simonrvn: any experience with running debian under virtual server 2005? |
| 18:09.49 | E-bola | it seems very minimal docuiemnted on google |
| 18:09.50 | valdyn | hark: ah, neat, now it doesnt pull a font server anyway |
| 18:09.56 | simonrvn | common stuff like bcmxx or whatever it's called, nvidia, fglrx, and some other shite |
| 18:10.09 | simonrvn | no, i don't do m$ |
| 18:10.16 | simonrvn | unsupported here |
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| 18:10.26 | E-bola | ok, not my choice here :( |
| 18:10.26 | dogmeat | can't sudo anymore, thing returns me or original uid, what gives?? |
| 18:11.22 | wols_ | dogmeat: /etc/sudoers |
| 18:11.49 | gpm | visudo |
| 18:12.10 | dogmeat | visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
| 18:12.19 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:12.27 | gpm | dogmeat: do you have a root account enabled? |
| 18:12.28 | valdyn | dogmeat: as root |
| 18:12.30 | asg | dogmeat: you need to run it as root |
| 18:12.32 | simonrvn | >_< |
| 18:12.44 | gpm | it *is* possible he has no root on a debian install |
| 18:13.04 | gpm | but he'd have to install with expert iirc |
| 18:13.12 | dogmeat | eh, im using ubuntu, but was just using sudo moments ago |
| 18:13.20 | gpm | dogmeat: /j #ubuntu |
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| 18:13.30 | gpm | do we have an ubuntusmite yet? |
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| 18:13.35 | gpm | !ubuntusmite me |
| 18:13.37 | simonrvn | *bitchmoanwhinecomplain* |
| 18:13.37 | wols_ | dogmeat: wrong channel. we can't help you |
| 18:13.39 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 18:13.50 | zaggynl | Hi, I'm trying to drain my laptop battery, but it keeps shutting down at the very last moment, I'm using gnome-power-manager, and set it to 'do nothing' |
| 18:13.52 | waspius | hi..can someone tell me how i can enable ntp support? |
| 18:13.52 | JosefAssad | !debiansmite me |
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| 18:13.58 | JosefAssad | eh... safe |
| 18:13.59 | gpm | they'd probably take that personal |
| 18:14.15 | dogmeat | rebooting :W |
| 18:14.29 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 18:14.51 | valdyn | zaggynl: why would you intentionally decrease the lifetime of your battery? |
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| 18:15.05 | gpm | wtf? |
| 18:15.15 | valdyn | zaggynl: i thought laptop batteries already sucked without added stress |
| 18:15.16 | simonrvn | wtf! |
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| 18:15.19 | wols_ | zaggynl: draining a battery totally is very bad for it |
| 18:15.26 | asg | apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is wtf |
| 18:15.26 | gpm | !wtf? |
| 18:15.26 | dpkg | hmm... wtf is Who The Fuck |
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| 18:16.36 | gpm | dpkg: wtf is also What The Fuck |
| 18:16.36 | dpkg | usage: wtf <foo>. |
| 18:16.36 | simonrvn | !wtfsmite asg |
| 18:16.36 | waspius | how i can enable ntp support? |
| 18:16.36 | valdyn | !wtf |
| 18:16.36 | simonrvn | !wtf asg |
| 18:16.37 | wols_ | waspius: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 18:16.37 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what asg means... |
| 18:16.37 | asg | waspius: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 18:16.37 | zaggynl | wols_, it is? |
| 18:16.37 | wols_ | zaggynl: yes |
| 18:16.37 | zaggynl | I thought it was actually good |
| 18:16.37 | waspius | wols_: make my clock be configured from a server |
| 18:16.37 | wols_ | waspius: use ntpdate |
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| 18:16.37 | asg | simonrvn: gpm didn't know what wtf was so I showed him how to install /usr/games/wtf so he could run /usr/games/wtf is wtf :) Great fun. |
| 18:16.49 | simonrvn | zaggynl: in old time batteries yes, not anymore |
| 18:16.50 | wols_ | periodically called (cronjob) |
| 18:16.56 | |DuReX| | weird, root device is first boot device in linux, but it doesn't boot |
| 18:17.02 | simonrvn | asg: wtf? |
| 18:17.03 | |DuReX| | well it boot but gives error @ boot |
| 18:17.07 | wols_ | simonrvn: liIon don't have that problem anymore |
| 18:17.16 | zaggynl | ah okay |
| 18:17.16 | simonrvn | asg: :P |
| 18:17.17 | asg | simonrvn: /usr/games/wtf is foad |
| 18:17.20 | |DuReX| | alert! /dev/sda2 does not exist |
| 18:17.21 | wols_ | !tell |DuReX| about errors |
| 18:17.23 | zaggynl | well, it's a tecra 8200, don't know if that counts as old |
| 18:17.24 | simonrvn | asg: hehhe |
| 18:17.33 | waspius | wols_: thank you |
| 18:17.35 | wols_ | zaggynl: yes it is old |
| 18:17.40 | |DuReX| | sorry wols_: alert! /dev/sda2 does not exist |
| 18:17.45 | wols_ | it has NiMH batteries |
| 18:17.52 | wols_ | !uuid |
| 18:17.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 18:17.53 | simonrvn | ancient... |
| 18:18.02 | zaggynl | wols_, okay, so completely draining those won't be bad then? |
| 18:18.09 | wols_ | zaggynl: it will be bad |
| 18:18.09 | gpm | what, so wtf is wtf? |
| 18:18.12 | simonrvn | dead-beef-babe |
| 18:18.16 | gpm | oh nm |
| 18:18.18 | gpm | sorry asg |
| 18:18.25 | |DuReX| | it loads drivers from other controller first, then it loads drivers of motherboard controller. but then root hdd is sdb i think, so thats why its not booting :( any id ? :s |
| 18:18.32 | wols_ | zaggynl: you still haven't said why you want to drain them? |
| 18:18.43 | asg | simonrvn: hey, you stole my wireless MAC? |
| 18:18.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:18.54 | wols_ | !tell |DuReX| about uuid |
| 18:19.00 | gpm | installing |
| 18:19.05 | gpm | i can't believe i didn't have bsdgames |
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| 18:19.10 | gpm | who doesn't want cli tetris!? |
| 18:19.11 | zaggynl | wols_, well, I thought draining them fully once in a while (old batteries) was good |
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| 18:19.34 | gpm | oh very nice! |
| 18:19.45 | asg | simonrvn: actually, we use de:ad:be:ef:??:?? macs for our OpenVZ virtuals. One day, we'll have a 3rd party audit firm claim we've been hax0rd |
| 18:19.49 | simonrvn | UUID=dead-beef-babe-3030-37762edf-283126fe1a23 / default,errors=ro 0 1 |
| 18:19.54 | simonrvn | defaults* |
| 18:19.55 | piztek3 | I'm having some problems. I'm on Lenny, and cannot start "jabber" or "bittorrent-gui" from terminal. How can I fix this? |
| 18:20.02 | wols_ | zaggynl: btw: the more drained a battery is the lower the voltage. and your notebook just won't work if it goes down below a certain voltage |
| 18:20.07 | simonrvn | asg: heh heh |
| 18:20.12 | wols_ | so it'S perfectly normal the way it works right now |
| 18:20.15 | gpm | piztek3: what happens when you try to start them from the terminal? |
| 18:20.17 | zaggynl | heheh, okay |
| 18:20.19 | chop1 | !tell piztek3 about doesn't work |
| 18:20.26 | wols_ | piztek3: error messages are a GREAT thing |
| 18:20.28 | piztek3 | gpm, nothing happens |
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| 18:20.31 | Darkarix | In your opinion shoul I use sudo or not? |
| 18:20.36 | gpm | piztek3: no error messages no nothing/ |
| 18:20.40 | wols_ | piztek3: if nothing happes your PC is not on |
| 18:20.40 | piztek3 | jabber, command not found |
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| 18:20.53 | chop1 | piztek3: You can install those programs, then. :-) |
| 18:21.00 | piztek3 | chop1: i just did |
| 18:21.02 | piztek3 | they're installed |
| 18:21.11 | wols_ | piztek3: the packagename is not always the binary name |
| 18:21.12 | gpm | piztek3: which packages did you install? |
| 18:21.13 | simonrvn | i might have too many chars, it's 36 - 4 -s = 32 "real" chars |
| 18:21.16 | chop1 | piztek3: The evidence suggests that they aren't |
| 18:21.18 | valdyn | piztek3: run: ls /usr/bin/jabber |
| 18:21.21 | chop1 | dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 18:21.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename | grep bin |
| 18:21.27 | wols_ | piztek3: check what binaries they ship with with dpkg -l <packagename> |grep bin |
| 18:21.33 | asg | dpkg: be quiet |
| 18:21.33 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
| 18:21.33 | wols_ | oops. -L, yes |
| 18:21.39 | gpm | haha |
| 18:21.39 | piztek3 | ls: /usr/bin/jabber: No such file or directory |
| 18:21.47 | asg | !fix gpm |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | piztek3: what jabber client are you actually trying to use ? |
| 18:21.53 | gpm | aw man |
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| 18:21.59 | asg | snip snip |
| 18:22.07 | simonrvn | it's pick on gpm day today :P |
| 18:22.10 | piztek3 | jabber, jabber-aim, jabber-common, jabber-dev, jabber-irc, jabber-jit |
| 18:22.16 | piztek3 | they're all installed |
| 18:22.22 | simonrvn | and i GTG. see you |
| 18:22.31 | asg | simonrvn: don't forget to install jabbering-git |
| 18:22.33 | wols_ | piztek3: dpkg -L < > |grep bin |
| 18:22.35 | asg | simonrvn: g'day |
| 18:22.42 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 18:22.45 | abrotman | piztek3: that's a server .. nto a client |
| 18:22.46 | valdyn | piztek3: you realise that those programs are a instant messaging SERVER? |
| 18:22.48 | piztek3 | wols_: what does that do? |
| 18:22.51 | piztek3 | abrotman: what is? |
| 18:22.56 | gpm | piztek3: it's a server |
| 18:22.58 | abrotman | piztek3: the 'jabber' package |
| 18:22.59 | gpm | like, a jabber server |
| 18:23.00 | wols_ | piztek3: it's a surprise. man dpkg will tell you |
| 18:23.05 | abrotman | piztek3: are you using gnome or KDE ? |
| 18:23.06 | wols_ | piztek3: jabber is a jabber server. not a client |
| 18:23.07 | gpm | get gaim|pidgin |
| 18:23.11 | piztek3 | gpm: there isn't a jabber program? |
| 18:23.14 | abrotman | piztek3: are you using gnome or KDE ? |
| 18:23.16 | gpm | piztek3: there are clients |
| 18:23.18 | gpm | talk to abrotman |
| 18:23.18 | piztek3 | gnome |
| 18:23.22 | gpm | he's helping you |
| 18:23.24 | abrotman | aptitude install gaim |
| 18:23.29 | Seb | i'm trying to get a certain app open as maximized, and am thinking .Xdefaults should be able to do it; does anyone know how to ? |
| 18:23.32 | piztek3 | that's what i'm using |
| 18:23.36 | abrotman | then use gaim .. it's a pretty nice multiprotocol client |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | piztek3: then what do you want 'jabber' for ? |
| 18:23.47 | chop1 | abrotman: nee pidgin |
| 18:23.54 | wols_ | abrotman: for low values of "pretty nice" |
| 18:24.04 | abrotman | chop1: not for lenny IIRC |
| 18:24.04 | piztek3 | i thought it might have been better than gaim |
| 18:24.10 | gpm | wols_: it's ok except for the irc |
| 18:24.11 | abrotman | wols_: it's 'featureful' :) |
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| 18:24.24 | abrotman | for AIM/Jabber.. gaim is great |
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| 18:24.30 | wols_ | abrotman: true. it features a lot of braindead secruity problems :) |
| 18:24.34 | gpm | abrotman: it's not in lenny yet |
| 18:24.38 | abrotman | gpm: i said that! |
| 18:24.45 | piztek3 | cool |
| 18:24.51 | abrotman | i like being told what i just said :) |
| 18:24.55 | gpm | abrotman: you said iirc, i'm confirming that you're right |
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| 18:25.05 | abrotman | !+info pidgin lenny |
| 18:25.06 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:25.10 | dpkg | Package 'pidgin' does not exist. |
| 18:25.13 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 18:25.19 | gpm | i just confirmed for you! |
| 18:25.24 | chop1 | abrotman: Ah, quite right |
| 18:25.26 | abrotman | i'll confirm you! |
| 18:25.30 | gpm | !confirm me |
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| 18:25.36 | abrotman | !baptise gpm |
| 18:25.37 | gpm | oh, a new trick to learn |
| 18:25.40 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 18:25.56 | piztek3 | well what about bittorrent-gui then? |
| 18:26.08 | valdyn | !installit |
| 18:26.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 18:26.08 | abrotman | what about it ? |
| 18:26.10 | wols_ | piztek3: you've been told about 3 times by now |
| 18:26.17 | piztek3 | it's installed! |
| 18:26.20 | gpm | what does it say when you try to run bittorrent-gui |
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| 18:26.22 | wols_ | valdyn: he has it installed but is uncapable of running it |
| 18:26.28 | piztek3 | command not found |
| 18:26.32 | wols_ | piztek3: dpkg -L. you've been told numerous time what to do |
| 18:26.33 | Seb | hehehe |
| 18:26.37 | gpm | s/uncapable/incapable |
| 18:26.38 | chop1 | piztek3: Here's an idea |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | either your path is messed .. or it's not installed |
| 18:26.44 | gpm | piztek3: what did you install? |
| 18:26.49 | chop1 | piztek3: Run dpkg -L bittorrent-gui | grep bin |
| 18:26.49 | asg | piztek3: dpkg -L <pkg> ; look for things in *bin/* |
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| 18:26.52 | abrotman | dpkg -l bitt* |
| 18:26.52 | dpkg | ii bitt* 1.1-1 abrotman's private porn collection |
| 18:26.53 | wols_ | gpm: s/incapable/too stupid to read/ |
| 18:26.54 | valdyn | piztek3: i think its called something like btdownloadgui |
| 18:26.55 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 18:26.55 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 18:27.01 | gpm | wols_: nice |
| 18:27.03 | valdyn | piztek3: try btdownload<tab><tab> |
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| 18:27.13 | TimRiker | piztek3: I like rtorrent |
| 18:27.13 | xen_masta | Hey, so I'm attempting to get bacula running, but it seems that the appropriate port is closed when I run nmap. Any idea on how I open it up manually? |
| 18:27.23 | |DuReX| | mmm how can i find UUID of harddisk ? :s |
| 18:27.30 | piztek3 | btdowndoad doesn't start |
| 18:27.35 | wols_ | xen_masta: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
| 18:27.38 | valdyn | xen_masta: what the hell you use nmap for when you have access to the box? |
| 18:27.41 | gpm | what about *btdownload |
| 18:27.42 | wols_ | xen_masta: is it LISTENing? |
| 18:27.43 | asg | xen_masta: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:27.44 | chop1 | piztek3: Hey, piztek. I've got a secret to tell you. |
| 18:27.48 | piztek3 | what |
| 18:27.50 | gpm | btdownloadgui? |
| 18:27.54 | gpm | btdownloadcurses? |
| 18:27.55 | chop1 | piztek3: You have to ask me first, though. Do you want to hear it? |
| 18:28.02 | valdyn | !tab completion |
| 18:28.02 | dpkg | [tab completion] why karsten is sending you completely irrelevent messages. |
| 18:28.08 | asg | hah |
| 18:28.09 | piztek3 | btdownloadgui worked |
| 18:28.11 | valdyn | ... |
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| 18:28.32 | gpm | piztek3: in the future, you should dpkg -L <package> to see what your packages have installed |
| 18:28.32 | chop1 | piztek3: Do you still want to hear my secret? |
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| 18:28.50 | abrotman | piztek3: dpkg -L <package you installed> | grep bin .. it will show you what you can run out of the package |
| 18:28.50 | asg | chop1: pull my finger? |
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| 18:28.55 | chop1 | Here it is: |
| 18:29.00 | piztek3 | gpm: so in this case it's dpkg -L bittorrent? |
| 18:29.01 | ma3x | hello, how do you quit a game once you get black screen? |
| 18:29.05 | en1gma | im trying to make a live-cd doing a debootstrap and have a problem (my locals are messed up) http://pastebin.ca/526197 note: im in a chroot enviroement on the /mnt/debootstrap drive |
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| 18:29.14 | ma3x | I had to kill X now |
| 18:29.17 | en1gma | basically it has a minimal install |
| 18:29.18 | gpm | piztek3: if you installed bittorrent (if you did apt-get install bittorrent), yes. |
| 18:29.21 | abrotman | asg: "prize" ? :) |
| 18:29.22 | chop1 | You can run dpkg -L packagename | grep bin to find out what binaries are included in a given package. It's a good way to find what program to run right after you install something. |
| 18:29.23 | gpm | or for gaim, dpkg -L gaim |
| 18:29.25 | TimRiker | rtorrent has more options, show more info on the download, lets you set over all bandwidth limits instead of per torrent limits. allows you to auto-shutdown a torrent when a ration is reached, auto-start/stop torrents if the torrent files moves, etc. |
| 18:29.34 | xen_masta | wols_: yeah, it is listening on those ports. looks like the issue is elsewhere then. |
| 18:29.44 | asg | abrotman: http://www.jpgclan.com/INTERESTINGGIFT1.jpeg |
| 18:29.48 | gpm | piztek3: or, if you really want to never have to come here to ask questions again, man dpkg |
| 18:29.52 | wols_ | xen_masta: you either have a firewall installed or are behind a router |
| 18:30.05 | |DuReX| | how can i find UUID of harddisk ? :s |
| 18:30.06 | gpm | piztek3: but if you come back again asking how to run some program you just installed, you will get flamed |
| 18:30.09 | abrotman | asg: you've been paying attention to dave2 again |
| 18:30.13 | piztek3 | i'm so lost, about 4 people are telling me what to do |
| 18:30.16 | wols_ | |DuReX|: the factoid told you |
| 18:30.18 | xen_masta | wols_: nah, it's the localhost, and I haven't installed any firewalls. |
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| 18:30.28 | wols_ | xen_masta: telnet to that port |
| 18:30.29 | ma3x | how do I quit a game from fullscreen? |
| 18:30.30 | asg | abrotman: can't help that, that's funny |
| 18:30.33 | piztek3 | dpkg -L bittorrent gives me locations, nothing to launch the gui program |
| 18:30.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching bittorrent gives me locations, nothing to launch the gui program |
| 18:30.35 | TimRiker | |DuReX|: uuid of a partition? or uuid of a drive? and which uuid? the md, lvm or filesystem? |
| 18:30.38 | en1gma | ive done dpkg-reconfigure locales and dpkg-reconfigure console-data and still get hose errors |
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| 18:30.50 | gpm | piztek3: try dpkg -L bittorrent|grep bin |
| 18:30.51 | xen_masta | wols_: connection refused. |
| 18:30.55 | wols_ | piztek3: dpkg -L <packagename> |grep bin |
| 18:30.55 | gpm | as has been suggested |
| 18:30.58 | gpm | numerous times |
| 18:31.01 | |DuReX| | TimRiker: to boot partition ... |
| 18:31.06 | |DuReX| | in /etc/fstab |
| 18:31.16 | neoecs | Hmm. Why can't I get 1024*768 resolution? It's in the xorg.conf, and I told dpkg-reconfigure that I could run it, and I submitted the exact correct Vsync and Hsync values :/ |
| 18:31.16 | gpm | that will show the executables the package installed |
| 18:31.17 | piztek3 | gpm: and what do i do with that now? |
| 18:31.22 | en1gma | ive googled how to fix this problem with no luck also |
| 18:31.31 | gpm | piztek3: that shows you all the things you can execute that were installed by that package |
| 18:31.33 | wols_ | neoecs: what do you get instead? |
| 18:31.36 | gpm | so you can run all those from the terminal |
| 18:31.36 | en1gma | and its evenworse cause im trying to do a debootstrap |
| 18:31.36 | ma3x | damnit why nobody replies? is my question so complicated? |
| 18:31.39 | neoecs | wols_, 800*600 |
| 18:31.46 | gpm | piztek3: instead of asking here |
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| 18:31.48 | neoecs | that's the highest I can choose in the settings too |
| 18:31.52 | gpm | you can use this knowledge next time |
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| 18:31.53 | wols_ | neoecs: then remove the 800x600 from the resolutions you can run |
| 18:31.58 | piztek3 | gpm: then why doesn't bittorrent-gui launch it? |
| 18:31.59 | o2T7 | Nah, no way |
| 18:32.00 | neoecs | Hmm. Okay ^^ |
| 18:32.03 | neoecs | I'll try |
| 18:32.13 | TimRiker | |DuReX|: tune2fs -l /dev/<partition name> | grep UUID for ext2/3 |
| 18:32.18 | xen_masta | ma3x: depends on the game. |
| 18:32.19 | gpm | piztek3: do you see anything with bittorrent-gui when you dpkg -L bittorrent ? |
| 18:32.23 | wols_ | piztek3: cause the package bittorrent-gui has not file named "bittorrent-gui" inside it! |
| 18:32.25 | piztek3 | no i don't |
| 18:32.26 | ma3x | xen_masta, sauerbraten |
| 18:32.39 | en1gma | anyone know why the locales are messed up? |
| 18:32.47 | xen_masta | ma3x: your best bet is to read the doco that came with the game. |
| 18:32.49 | en1gma | or better yet how to fix em |
| 18:32.57 | wols_ | !tell en1gma about locales |
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| 18:33.02 | gpm | piztek3: bittorrent/bittorrent-gui don't install any executables called bittorrent-gui, they *do* install exectuables called btdownloadgui |
| 18:33.04 | |DuReX| | TimRiker: and u can't mount swap with uuid ? |
| 18:33.09 | en1gma | wols_ i already did that |
| 18:33.30 | wols_ | en1gma: as usual your error descriptions suck donkey balls. "messed up" is useless |
| 18:33.31 | xen_masta | wols_: Any idea on where a firewall config would be? This is a new debian load with almost nothing on it. |
| 18:33.34 | xyz123 | hey i need some help with disk crash recovery... any good tips? I cant even see it in cfdisk... |
| 18:33.43 | TimRiker | |DuReX|: you can. see man fstab. you would use the UUID= format. |
| 18:33.43 | valdyn | |DuReX|: You can ever mount swap? |
| 18:33.48 | en1gma | wols_ maybe you missed it but i put a pastebin |
| 18:33.52 | wols_ | xen_masta: debian has not firewall enabled. unless you did it there is none. and if you did it: how could i know? |
| 18:33.52 | xyz123 | I really need to recover the data |
| 18:33.56 | piztek3 | gpm: btdownloadgui gives me a huge error, download error |
| 18:34.00 | TimRiker | oh. swap... hmm... |
| 18:34.00 | |DuReX| | /dev/sda1 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 18:34.04 | |DuReX| | this is in my fstab :p |
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| 18:34.11 | en1gma | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 18:34.16 | xen_masta | wols_: fair enough. thanks! |
| 18:34.20 | abrotman | xyz123: does it show up in the BIOS ? |
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| 18:34.25 | en1gma | did that one too |
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| 18:34.30 | gpm | piztek3: paste it somewhere so we can see it |
| 18:34.37 | gpm | !paste |
| 18:34.37 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:34.38 | wols_ | |DuReX|: who cares about swap? boot the machine, check which one is swap then and put that in /etc/fstab |
| 18:34.44 | en1gma | [08:28] <en1gma> im trying to make a live-cd doing a debootstrap and have a problem (my locals are messed up) http://pastebin.ca/526197 note: im in a chroot enviroement on the /mnt/debootstrap drive |
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| 18:34.44 | xyz123 | abrotman, yes it does show in the bios |
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| 18:34.52 | TimRiker | |DuReX|: hmm. never tried that with swap. |
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| 18:35.15 | wols_ | en1gma: the locale files are not available inside your chroot |
| 18:35.18 | abrotman | xyz123: and shows in dmesg ? |
| 18:35.40 | TimRiker | |DuReX|: don't know if there's a way. you should be able to use a swapfile in a partition that does have a UUID mount though. |
| 18:35.44 | xyz123 | abrotman, "end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0" from dmesg |
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| 18:36.03 | wols_ | xyz123: broken disk. that disk is GONE. use your backups |
| 18:36.09 | piztek3 | ah deluge works |
| 18:36.12 | valdyn | xyz123: that disk can be just fine |
| 18:36.24 | valdyn | xyz123: IF its the cabling that is broken, for instance |
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| 18:36.57 | xyz123 | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 18:37.01 | en1gma | wols_ i dlaoded and installed em |
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| 18:37.17 | en1gma | here is a better pastebin |
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| 18:37.20 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/526221 |
| 18:37.20 | wols_ | en1gma: they are not in the chroot. they are missing |
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| 18:37.32 | xyz123 | valdyn, good one... |
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| 18:38.03 | TimRiker | |DuReX|: do you have a uuid in ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid ? |
| 18:38.34 | wols_ | en1gma: what is En_US supposed to be? |
| 18:38.41 | piztek3 | gaim needs entries in gconf-editor |
| 18:38.51 | en1gma | apt-get install console-data && apt-get install locales |
| 18:39.02 | wols_ | en1gma: answer my question please |
| 18:39.18 | wols_ | en1gma: on a debian system that locale cannot exist |
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| 18:39.30 | chop1 | en1gma: Locales are case sensitive |
| 18:39.34 | xyz123 | So the disk is beyond saving you say? There is nothing i can do? |
| 18:39.47 | wols_ | try another cable as valdyn said |
| 18:39.49 | valdyn | xyz123: did you check cabling? the controller? |
| 18:39.50 | wols_ | try it in another PC |
| 18:40.04 | wols_ | run the disk defection management software from the manufacturer of the disk |
| 18:40.16 | wols_ | hose are the things you can do |
| 18:40.21 | xyz123 | thanks |
| 18:40.22 | abrotman | xyz123: that's bad .. really bad |
| 18:40.25 | en1gma | wols_ i tried it a few diff ways by following this guide http://www.perl.com/doc/manual/html/pod/perllocale.html where he said to do this "LC_ALL=en_US.ISO8859-1 && export LC_ALL" when that didnt work i set it back to LC_ALL=En_US |
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| 18:40.37 | xyz123 | abrotman, is the fat located in sector 0? |
| 18:40.46 | valdyn | xyz123: haha |
| 18:40.48 | abrotman | xyz123: check cables .. then try in another machine .. it could be drive/mobo/cable or all three |
| 18:40.49 | wols_ | en1gma: En_US does not exist. never did and probably never will |
| 18:40.52 | wols_ | see what chop1 said |
| 18:40.59 | valdyn | xyz123: you cant read ANYTHING on that disk after that error, likely |
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| 18:41.11 | |DuReX| | pfft crappy shit :( |
| 18:41.16 | wols_ | xyz123: master boot record is there. |
| 18:41.22 | |DuReX| | it still try's to boot from raid controller :( |
| 18:41.25 | |DuReX| | shitty thing |
| 18:41.29 | wols_ | xyz123: e.g. your partition table |
| 18:41.34 | gpm | s/En_US/en_US |
| 18:41.42 | xyz123 | wols_, ok |
| 18:41.53 | en1gma | ok will try that |
| 18:42.01 | neoecs | I've removed any reference to resolutions lower than 1024*768, but still only get 800*600.. Why so? |
| 18:42.11 | abrotman | vesa driver? |
| 18:42.14 | neoecs | Yeah |
| 18:42.17 | neoecs | Vesa |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | vesa only does 800x600 |
| 18:42.23 | xyz123 | wols_, i know its just been a while since i took the course in computer forensics |
| 18:42.26 | neoecs | .. oh :3 |
| 18:42.28 | |DuReX| | it stops @ Begin: Mounting root file system :( |
| 18:42.30 | abrotman | and lower |
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| 18:42.41 | neoecs | I didn't get X started with other than Vesa.. |
| 18:42.44 | valdyn | neoecs: because latest xorg will not need any reference to any resolution to find a working one, 1024*768 doesnt work ( for whatever reason ) |
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| 18:42.56 | simonrvn | abrotman, asg: do you know what happens when you stick a regular dog, and a rez dog, in a sweat lodge? |
| 18:43.02 | wols_ | neoecs: what videocard? |
| 18:43.08 | simonrvn | abrotma, asg: wait for it |
| 18:43.10 | neoecs | wols_, ehm. not sure. Something old :> |
| 18:43.15 | neoecs | Matrox something |
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| 18:43.22 | wols_ | neoecs: lspci output. paste it in a pastebin please |
| 18:43.29 | neoecs | Okay |
| 18:43.31 | en1gma | i just set it to these and think its ok now |
| 18:43.33 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.33 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.39 | wols_ | neoecs: use mga as a driver |
| 18:43.55 | simonrvn | abrotman, asg: the regular dog comes out nice, juicy, and tender, whereas the rez dog comes out saying "man that was a good sweat!" |
| 18:43.57 | neoecs | mga. okay |
| 18:43.58 | gpm | !give en1gma a cookie |
| 18:44.04 | valdyn | en1gma: use dpkg-reconfigure locales as you were already told |
| 18:44.06 | abrotman | simonrvn: wrong!!! |
| 18:45.05 | neoecs | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/526243 there's the lspci output |
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| 18:45.15 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 18:45.35 | en1gma | i did that before you ever told me |
| 18:45.36 | wols_ | neoecs: yes mga |
| 18:45.36 | |DuReX| | pfft how can i get this shit working, it keeps trying to load from raid controller, and not booting from motherboard :( |
| 18:45.39 | en1gma | need to read |
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| 18:45.46 | neoecs | Okay. Thanks |
| 18:45.48 | neoecs | brb |
| 18:46.01 | gpm | en1gma: wait, i thought you said it was ok now? |
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| 18:46.22 | BACbKA | i installed debian etch on a laptop, and used the default gnome desktop environment, the laptop task, and the base system. When I try to standby, it works. When I try to hibernate, I see the usual "copying pages" and "stopping tasks" of the swsusp, BUT in the very end, instead of being turned off, it does the resume sequence. Since "resume.sh" is the last thing in the hibernate.sh, I guess the suspend to disk doesn't stop as it shoul |
| 18:46.23 | en1gma | i think it is ok |
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| 18:47.03 | en1gma | the first time when i did "[08:30] <en1gma> ive done dpkg-reconfigure locales and dpkg-reconfigure console-data and still get hose errors" i dont think those packages were installed....now they are installed so reconfigure is working |
| 18:47.17 | en1gma | dont forget this was a debootstrap and hardly anything is installed |
| 18:47.36 | simonrvn | abrotman: ok, so what's wrong then? :) |
| 18:47.41 | tvynr | I have a cross-compiler and the mighty desire to use it to compile an AUFS kernel module for another machine. I found the m-a -k option which will let me specify the location of the other machine's kernel headers, but I don't know how to get it to use the cross-compiler. Any suggestions? |
| 18:47.46 | Gurax | Hi all. Could anyone tell me how to add helo acl-s for exim4 by adding the appropriate file with the acl-s at /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl ? |
| 18:47.50 | abrotman | too many dogs in the sweat lodge! |
| 18:48.11 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 18:48.12 | neoecs | wols_, thank you! <3 It works now |
| 18:48.18 | en1gma | i think debian used to use this command '/sbin/base-config" did it change to some other command? |
| 18:48.19 | simonrvn | 2 too many |
| 18:48.24 | wols_ | export CC |
| 18:48.39 | wols_ | en1gma: there is no base-config anymore |
| 18:48.49 | en1gma | wols_ what has it changed to |
| 18:48.57 | wols_ | en1gma: doesn't exist anymore |
| 18:49.05 | en1gma | However the following packages replace it: |
| 18:49.06 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.26 | en1gma | man i think this guide im following is really old |
| 18:49.26 | gpm | i can't remember what all base-config did anyway |
| 18:49.30 | gpm | i remember exim3 config |
| 18:49.36 | gpm | that's about it |
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| 18:49.45 | gpm | it started dselect for you? |
| 18:49.50 | geoaxis | hello people |
| 18:49.53 | en1gma | anyone have a recent debootstrap howto for making a live cd |
| 18:50.01 | wols_ | !debootstrap |
| 18:50.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for ... |
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| 18:50.11 | en1gma | http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/59455/ <<< thats the one im using |
| 18:50.18 | geoaxis | i accidently chowned some of my files under / |
| 18:50.37 | geoaxis | i stopped it midway |
| 18:50.39 | BACbKA | oops I just discovered that while debugging tthe standby I removed uswsusp package! let me install it back and see if hibernation starts working |
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| 18:50.45 | geoaxis | by chown i mean chown root:tomcat |
| 18:51.39 | smacnay | can one run console commands to have openoffice convert MS Word files to pdf? |
| 18:51.50 | smacnay | without the need to open and run X? |
| 18:51.52 | en1gma | wols_ those arent good for making a debootstrap for a live-cd |
| 18:51.58 | infester | Is there a popular denial of service blocker out there? =) |
| 18:51.59 | wols_ | en1gma: have you looked at http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ ? |
| 18:52.10 | Gurax | Hi all. Does anyone use exim4 as bundled from Debian, with the split configuration? I would like to add some "helo acl" but there's no file for them at /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl , there's one for check_rcpt though. |
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| 18:52.20 | en1gma | yea i was in #debian-live earlier also |
| 18:52.38 | en1gma | but someone here said use out bootcd script cause its better |
| 18:52.44 | en1gma | out = our |
| 18:53.01 | wols_ | smacnay: check wv. but... |
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| 18:53.40 | smacnay | wols_: thanks - wv will do the trick but I wondered if OpenOffice could do it better (from command line). |
| 18:53.48 | ma3x | how can I reuse a temporary stored bug report? |
| 18:53.56 | ma3x | can reportbug open it somehow? |
| 18:54.18 | en1gma | !bootcd |
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| 18:54.30 | en1gma | !cdboot |
| 18:54.40 | xand | !livecd |
| 18:54.40 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 18:55.09 | abrotman | en1gma: msg the damn bot |
| 18:55.18 | abrotman | ma3x: check /tmp/ |
| 18:55.23 | en1gma | i thought i did damn it |
| 18:55.24 | gpm | if you think about it though, any install cd is actually a live cd |
| 18:55.27 | gpm | it may or may not have X |
| 18:55.30 | abrotman | en1gma: you fail |
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| 18:55.34 | gpm | but X does not a livecd make |
| 18:55.36 | Ronin | en1gma: /msg not ! |
| 18:55.40 | ma3x | abrotman, I mean wont reportbug open it automatically? or I have to copy paste it? |
| 18:55.51 | abrotman | ma3x: you can :r the file IIRC |
| 18:55.57 | abrotman | depending on your chosen editor |
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| 18:56.06 | gpm | it's simple, when you want to ask the bot something, /msg dpkg <something> |
| 18:56.15 | gpm | how can you mistake taht for !<something> |
| 18:56.17 | gpm | ? |
| 18:56.18 | Old_Fogie | Hi all, I was wondering which of the "two" kernels that I should (?) install on my pc with debian 4.0ro. I'm not certain of the names they are called in synaptic :D I'm using an athlon 2500 xp barton processor. I'm not sure exactly which "K7" I'm supposed to do. I think one packe is generic (?) so apt will always check for updates on that I believe? |
| 18:56.19 | en1gma | thnx |
| 18:56.19 | Mekzholan | Hi, I've got a problem with locales :( - my normal user has UTF-8 set, but root has only POSIX :( |
| 18:56.19 | jelly | gpm: nah... a live cd has to se reasonably usable by itself |
| 18:56.20 | gpm | s/taht/that |
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| 18:56.34 | gpm | jelly: we're getting into the subjective here |
| 18:56.34 | Gurax | Hi all. Does anyone use exim4 as bundled from Debian, with the split configuration? I would like to add some "helo acl" but there's no file for them at /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl , there's one for check_rcpt though. Or can anyone point me where to read for tweaking a Debian style exim4 ? |
| 18:56.43 | gpm | jelly: most install cds have a shell |
| 18:56.49 | ma3x | abrotman, pico |
| 18:56.51 | gpm | jelly: that's usability enough in my mind |
| 18:56.57 | amphi | Old_Fogie: you will get updates for any debian kernel |
| 18:57.02 | ma3x | abrotman, ok ctrl+r got it |
| 18:57.19 | karl_ | Gurax: with the split style, all you need to drop a new file in there!? |
| 18:57.53 | Old_Fogie | true :D was just wondering if it were worth my while to put one of the "K7" kernels in? I was thinking "linux-image-k7" as it says it depends on the latest binary image. Sound right/ |
| 18:57.58 | valdyn | Old_Fogie: which 2? one is probably not a kernel... |
| 18:57.58 | en1gma | how do i exit a chroot |
| 18:58.06 | en1gma | im just going to leave this stuff alone |
| 18:58.08 | gpm | jelly: again, we're getting into the subjective |
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| 18:58.13 | Gurax | karl_: you think that would be enough? hmmm... I can try. |
| 18:58.14 | gpm | en1gma: exit |
| 18:58.16 | jelly | gpm: no, we're not |
| 18:58.18 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 18:58.19 | gpm | en1gma: just type exit |
| 18:58.24 | en1gma | gonna shutodwn and reboot |
| 18:58.26 | valdyn | Old_Fogie: you cuold read the description to each package ( apt-cache show ... ) |
| 18:58.31 | gpm | jelly: where's the official definition of a livecd? |
| 18:58.42 | jelly | gpm: you have a very special definition of livecd, it seems. |
| 18:59.03 | jelly | gpm, s/official/common sense/ |
| 18:59.17 | karl_ | Gurax: After dropping the file there (remember they get concatenated in name order), run update-exim4.conf and reload/restart exim4 |
| 18:59.19 | gpm | jelly: i guess. if it's running an os off of a cd, it's a livecd. it seems pretty obvious to me. |
| 18:59.22 | chop1 | Mekzholan: Set $LANG |
| 18:59.30 | Old_Fogie | well is the "linux-image-k7" with the description: "This package depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on 32bit AMD Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP machines." basically a "placeholder" for the latest greatest :D |
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| 18:59.54 | Gurax | karl_: Ah... so I need to rerun update-exim4.conf then ... |
| 18:59.58 | chop1 | Old_Fogie: More or less, yes |
| 19:00.05 | Old_Fogie | oh ok. |
| 19:00.10 | Old_Fogie | just wanted to make sure. |
| 19:00.18 | gpm | is that still uninstallable in sid? |
| 19:00.23 | Old_Fogie | so if I have issues I come n hunt you down then chop1 ? ROFL :D |
| 19:00.24 | gpm | since 2.6.18 was removed? |
| 19:00.36 | valdyn | gpm: no |
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| 19:00.54 | gpm | hooray for DDs |
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| 19:01.04 | karl_ | Gurax: With the split config it all gets concatenated to /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated (or something like it) which is then used by exim. The exim guys don't like it, but the split config makes it *a lot* easier to have your config changes preserved over upgrades |
| 19:01.05 | chop1 | Old_Fogie: You can to precisely the same extent you could before we had this conversation, yes :-) |
| 19:01.14 | Old_Fogie | hahaha |
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| 19:01.39 | Old_Fogie | Helps to have two sets of eyes on my "work", I'm my own worst pc enemy. |
| 19:01.50 | jelly | gpm: that would make any bootable cd a livecd, and livecd is not meant to be just that, but an actual usable system |
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| 19:02.32 | Old_Fogie | ok well wish me luck bbl bye 4 now, ty for the advice. |
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| 19:03.10 | wols_ | what I don't get is why en1gma doesn't just use a knoppix amd64 cd? |
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| 19:03.14 | bolatax | hello, when I want to partitionate my hard disk i get with cfdisk partitions such as /dev/hdd1p1 -> why the p1?? i want to have /dev/hdd1 ... how to? |
| 19:03.23 | |DuReX| | how do i best format a filesystem of 4TB ? i'm going to use xfs, do i need special block size or something ? |
| 19:03.27 | chop1 | wols_: Because he's not happy unless he's breaking things and then asking for help |
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| 19:03.42 | chop1 | wols_: With a knoppix CD, what would he do all day? :-) |
| 19:03.51 | gpm | jelly: right. but usable is subjective to a certain degree, i'd argue. like, for some people bash with some common cli utils and a text editor is enough. granted, nowadays, most people would expect gui goodness, browsers and all that. |
| 19:04.08 | wols_ | well, he would piss us off with another problem of course |
| 19:04.14 | gpm | so i see what you're saying. |
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| 19:04.20 | gpm | and i think we basically agree |
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| 19:05.19 | doschdn | hi. i'd like to install aufs (another unionfs) on etch, but the aufs-tools package is only available in unstable. that wouldn't be a problem, but it depends on libc from unstable. is there a way to install it without having to install unstable packages? |
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| 19:05.33 | asg | doschdn: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:05.33 | chop1 | !simple sid backport |
| 19:05.33 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 19:05.57 | doschdn | ok, thanks |
| 19:07.23 | gpm | is there something equivalent to apt-get build-dep in aptitude? i'd like a way to remove those -dev packages when i'm done and so far aptitude is the only thing that tries to remove deps when the package is removed |
| 19:07.52 | |DuReX| | mmm, i just formatted my 4tb array, and it only shows 1,2tb ?? :s |
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| 19:08.17 | JosefAssad | |DuReX|: progressive taxation |
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| 19:09.07 | |DuReX| | JosefAssad ? :s |
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| 19:10.52 | geoaxis | i am unable to login as root (possibly due to permissions) |
| 19:11.22 | geoaxis | i can do sudo su (my curent user was in sudoers) |
| 19:11.41 | robin_sz | coo. I had a kernel panic on my Debian stable box today .. first kernel panic in .. well, quite some years |
| 19:11.42 | geoaxis | but cant login as root or do plain su |
| 19:12.05 | |DuReX| | :( how come that damn partition is only 1,2TB ? :s |
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| 19:12.23 | gpm | geoaxis: so sudo chmod back to normal |
| 19:12.24 | robin_sz | geoaxis, that because you dont know the root password |
| 19:12.37 | gpm | or that |
| 19:12.38 | gpm | haah |
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| 19:13.07 | robin_sz | im suprised you can sudo su though |
| 19:13.12 | robin_sz | thats a crazy setup |
| 19:13.31 | gpm | i can do that |
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| 19:13.39 | robin_sz | weird |
| 19:13.40 | gpm | if you disable root on a debian install |
| 19:13.45 | gpm | the normal user can do that |
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| 19:13.49 | robin_sz | oh, coo. |
| 19:13.55 | gpm | i *think* it's equivalent to sudo -i |
| 19:14.00 | gpm | maybe not |
| 19:14.08 | robin_sz | "if you disable root on a debian install" |
| 19:14.08 | gpm | i'm probably wrong :( |
| 19:14.10 | robin_sz | ahhm |
| 19:14.18 | gpm | robin_sz: erm, don't enable root account |
| 19:14.25 | robin_sz | well yeah |
| 19:14.26 | gpm | it's an option in expert mode |
| 19:15.46 | gpm | he seems to be lagging a lot |
| 19:15.53 | geoaxis | robin_sz: i am talking about a working system ..it has been working for 3+ months |
| 19:16.03 | geoaxis | i dont normally login as root ..but could login |
| 19:16.19 | geoaxis | now i cannot for some reason |
| 19:16.21 | gpm | geoaxis: so sudo chown the files back to how they were |
| 19:16.21 | robin_sz | well, someone changed the root passwd |
| 19:16.29 | gpm | or sudo passwd |
| 19:16.33 | gpm | if it's the password |
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| 19:16.49 | gpm | or sudo su and then run passwd, if you like |
| 19:16.49 | geoaxis | as i said i accidently set permissions to be root:tomcat for some folders |
| 19:16.49 | geoaxis | and then (rather folloishly) set them back to roo:root |
| 19:16.51 | robin_sz | gpm, ive seen nothing to suggest it might somehow be permission |
| 19:16.55 | geoaxis | could it be the case that root login gets blocked due to permissions |
| 19:16.57 | gpm | robin_sz: werd |
| 19:17.08 | gpm | geoaxis: i think you'd see an error message about perms |
| 19:17.16 | gpm | geoaxis: not just a failed login |
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| 19:17.31 | gpm | sudo chown root:root |
| 19:17.42 | Old_Fogie | yup that kernel upgrade worked good. |
| 19:17.52 | |DuReX| | mmm, i just formatted my 4tb array, and it only shows 1,2tb ? any id whats wrong ?? :( |
| 19:17.54 | cusco | gpm: what if sudo is not installed? |
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| 19:18.11 | robin_sz | cusco, it is installed |
| 19:18.16 | gpm | cusco: he just said he can sudo su |
| 19:18.19 | cusco | ok |
| 19:18.21 | cusco | sorry |
| 19:18.28 | gpm | np |
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| 19:19.11 | robin_sz | |DuReX|, Raid level?? |
| 19:19.29 | |DuReX| | 5 |
| 19:19.35 | |DuReX| | but its hardware raid ... |
| 19:19.58 | robin_sz | how many discs of what size? |
| 19:20.04 | robin_sz | haow many spares? |
| 19:20.11 | gpm | isn't discs for cds and disks is for harddrives? |
| 19:20.15 | |DuReX| | 8x500 |
| 19:20.20 | |DuReX| | so 3.5TB |
| 19:20.29 | |DuReX| | shows correct size in raid controller webpage |
| 19:20.32 | doschdn | it's incredible, how flawless debian is. everything works so perfectly. i love it. :D |
| 19:20.44 | robin_sz | coo. I had a kernel panic on my Debian stable box today .. first kernel panic in .. well, quite some years |
| 19:21.06 | gpm | doschdn: :) |
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| 19:21.38 | piztek3 | can one irc from terminal? |
| 19:21.45 | asg | piztek3: yes, irssi is the package for you |
| 19:21.51 | valdyn | |DuReX|: on 32-bit debian? |
| 19:21.52 | asg | piztek3: there are others but most use irssi |
| 19:21.55 | |DuReX| | 64 |
| 19:22.07 | |DuReX| | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:22.16 | valdyn | |DuReX|: you must be reading or doing something wrong, we cant tell without you giving us the info |
| 19:22.19 | gpm | piztek3: yeah, irssi is a good program for that purpose |
| 19:22.23 | robin_sz | hmm, 2.6.8-2-686-smp .. time for a kernel upgrade? |
| 19:22.31 | piztek3 | gpm: how do i start it? |
| 19:22.33 | robin_sz | the panic was something to do with apic interrupts |
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| 19:22.52 | robin_sz | piztek3, you type a really weird command |
| 19:22.59 | piztek3 | gpm: just irssi from terminal? |
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| 19:23.03 | bolatax | hello, when I want to partitionate my hard disk i get with cfdisk partitions such as /dev/hdd1p1 -> why the p1?? i want to have /dev/hdd1 ... how to? |
| 19:23.03 | XtypeWriter74 | i have a AVM ( FRITZ! wireless USB stick ) any body know how i can it going? |
| 19:23.04 | robin_sz | piztek3, you type irssi ... |
| 19:23.13 | gpm | piztek3: yes, if it's installed |
| 19:23.53 | robin_sz | piztek3, ant if its not, then just do #apt-get install irssi |
| 19:24.00 | XtypeWriter74 | or where i find hardwaresupport list in debian |
| 19:24.02 | gpm | -# |
| 19:24.07 | piztek3 | can you make auto-join scripts for it |
| 19:24.12 | robin_sz | gpm? |
| 19:24.24 | valdyn | piztek3: can you read documentation? |
| 19:24.29 | gpm | oh, root shell |
| 19:24.30 | piztek3 | heh, sorry |
| 19:24.52 | robin_sz | gpm, yes # for root, $ for user accounts |
| 19:25.00 | piztek3 | how do i quit it/ |
| 19:25.05 | gpm | robin_sz: i knew that, it just didn't register for some reson |
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| 19:25.09 | gpm | piztek3: type /quit |
| 19:25.33 | robin_sz | gpm, yeah and I only explianed it incase there were noobs on the channel ;) |
| 19:25.34 | gpm | robin_sz: i know the lingo :P |
| 19:25.40 | gpm | robin_sz: werd |
| 19:26.29 | gpm | making me look st00pid! |
| 19:26.29 | gpm | how dare you expose the truth!? |
| 19:26.30 | piztek3 | can i use aim from terminal? |
| 19:26.30 | steven43126 | hi |
| 19:26.30 | robin_sz | same way I dare expose my underpants |
| 19:26.30 | gpm | piztek3: yes, apt-get install naim |
| 19:26.30 | |DuReX| | valdyn: think fdisk made to small partition |
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| 19:26.31 | gpm | or bitlbee |
| 19:26.34 | gpm | with the irc client |
| 19:26.37 | gpm | that's kinda rad |
| 19:26.40 | gpm | imho |
| 19:26.45 | steven43126 | is webmin packaged for debian ? i can find references to debian packages but apt-cache search webmin finds nothing ? |
| 19:26.56 | valdyn | |DuReX|: you really really dont want to use fdisk for this |
| 19:26.57 | piztek3 | gpm: is it possible to like use aim and irc from terminal |
| 19:26.59 | xand | steven43126: no, it was removed |
| 19:27.02 | xand | !webmin |
| 19:27.02 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 19:27.04 | piztek3 | do they require different terminals |
| 19:27.13 | robin_sz | so, is it likely my apic related kernel panic is a bug in 2.6.8-2-686-smp and an upgrade will help cure it , or is it just "one of those things" |
| 19:27.14 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 19:27.21 | Haris | On debian, I have mail.info mail.warn mail.err in syslog.conf for qmail, are there more of these? |
| 19:27.22 | gpm | piztek3: well, you'd need seperate screens to run irssi and naim seperately, yes. |
| 19:27.29 | gpm | piztek3: but if you want, try out bitlbee |
| 19:27.30 | |DuReX| | valdyn: what else ? parted ? |
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| 19:27.37 | steven43126 | webmin not good then |
| 19:27.38 | valdyn | |DuReX|: lvm? |
| 19:27.38 | gpm | piztek3: it lets you use an irc client to connect to aim |
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| 19:27.52 | gpm | piztek3: you'd have to read the documentation though, it takes some getting used to :) |
| 19:27.59 | steven43126 | is there a replacement or something similar ? |
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| 19:28.06 | |DuReX| | valdyn: why use lvm ? |
| 19:28.14 | robin_sz | steven43126, webmin is insecure and it encourages people who dont know what they are doing to try and do dangerous things |
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| 19:28.29 | piztek3 | gpm: how does one start bitlbee? |
| 19:28.31 | piztek3 | or use it? |
| 19:28.32 | valdyn | |DuReX|: to get some flexibility in partitioning your 4tb |
| 19:28.34 | infester | how can i limit the users in my system to only have read/right permissions in their home directories? |
| 19:28.46 | gpm | piztek3: cd /usr/share/doc/bitlbee and read the documents in there |
| 19:28.48 | steven43126 | robewald|work, is there something similar that is secure ? |
| 19:28.53 | piztek3 | okay |
| 19:28.56 | |DuReX| | cause i can resize etc in controller, so not really lvm needed ? :d |
| 19:28.56 | robin_sz | piztek3, ive never used it ... but I'll bet it tells you in the manpage |
| 19:28.58 | steven43126 | robin_sz, even sory |
| 19:29.36 | o2T7 | How to recover a .jpg that I `rm Image.jpg`? |
| 19:29.36 | valdyn | |DuReX|: you cant |
| 19:29.37 | o2T7 | ext3 |
| 19:29.37 | gpm | piztek3: you can also check out bitlbee.org, which has some documentation as well |
| 19:29.37 | o2T7 | oh,no |
| 19:29.37 | o2T7 | vfat |
| 19:29.37 | o2T7 | or fat32 |
| 19:29.45 | valdyn | |DuReX|: resisizing the raid does not autmagically resize partitions, resizing partitions does not automagically resize filesystems |
| 19:29.59 | jelly | o2T7: it's actually good that it's a vfat ... there are good undelete programs for that |
| 19:30.25 | valdyn | |DuReX|: those 3 layers need to have functional resizing seperately, for this to be of any use |
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| 19:31.00 | robin_sz | o2T7, unmount the filesystem, before it gets written to and the files corrupted |
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| 19:31.32 | |DuReX| | ok i'll use lvm then :) what extends size should i take ? max partition size should be ~16TB |
| 19:31.39 | piztek3 | is there a cli msn? |
| 19:31.54 | gpm | piztek3: try searching for this stuff |
| 19:31.57 | asg | piztek3: you need to learn how to search for things (/msg dpkg search) |
| 19:32.00 | valdyn | |DuReX|: i have no idea, i supose the default is ok |
| 19:32.10 | infester | how can i limit the users in my system to only have read/right permissions in their home directories? |
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| 19:32.21 | gpm | infester: man chmod |
| 19:32.37 | valdyn | infester: why would you want to do that? |
| 19:32.43 | valdyn | infester: sound stupid |
| 19:32.46 | valdyn | infester: sounds stupid |
| 19:32.53 | |DuReX| | The default of 4 MB leads to a maximum logical volâ |
| 19:32.53 | |DuReX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.54 | |DuReX| | :s |
| 19:32.58 | robin_sz | infester, you can't easily do that, nor is it necessary, .. perhaps you want chroot? |
| 19:33.05 | valdyn | infester: breaking users writing to /tmp breaks user apps |
| 19:33.06 | piztek3 | gpm: is it tmsnc |
| 19:33.12 | infester | oh i see |
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| 19:33.26 | infester | well, i dont want my users to read other users files etc |
| 19:33.28 | robin_sz | its a weird thing to want to do |
| 19:33.30 | gpm | piztek3: that looks good |
| 19:33.40 | robin_sz | infester, thats not up to you |
| 19:33.43 | gpm | piztek3: you can also just try it out for yourself. i don't use msn |
| 19:34.05 | infester | robin_sz: you mean like, users should set that up themselves? |
| 19:34.08 | gpm | piztek3: just install and see for yourself, if you don't like it, you can try another one. |
| 19:34.18 | robin_sz | infester, if other users choose to make their files readbale to the world, you wont be able to stop them |
| 19:34.18 | bolatax | how to clear the partition table of my compact flash? when i want to create a new partition on it, it says me /dev/hdd1p1 instead of /dev/hdd1... i think the partition table is not OK, so what command can i perform to clear th epartition table? |
| 19:34.26 | valdyn | infester: dpkg-reconfigure adduser, for new users yet to be added, chmod for existing users |
| 19:34.54 | infester | robin_sz: ok, what about configurationfiles for httpds etc? |
| 19:34.57 | infester | valdyn: thank |
| 19:34.57 | valdyn | bolatax: why are you creating partitions on hdd1? |
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| 19:35.21 | robin_sz | infester, you can change the defaults as valdyn said, but users will be able to set files they own to be world readbale |
| 19:35.40 | o2T7 | I only can see undelete programs for ext2 or ntfs |
| 19:35.45 | infester | ok, thanks |
| 19:35.49 | o2T7 | Which one for FAT? |
| 19:36.33 | robin_sz | infester, not usually an issue ... the secrets files ofr httpd for example are not user readable |
| 19:36.33 | infester | i see |
| 19:36.52 | robin_sz | infester, infact you can be failry sure that the sensitive files on the system, as standard, will be set up the right way |
| 19:37.06 | robin_sz | eg mail sppols etc etc |
| 19:37.09 | robin_sz | spools |
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| 19:37.18 | infester | alright, great |
| 19:37.42 | asg | infester: you can also use 'find' to look for world writable and world readable files and directories to decide if the security posture of your system is sane. |
| 19:37.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xifIcccS8zA |
| 19:38.04 | Nurulwai | Hm. xorg seems to be sending an ambiguous signal. Sometimes my lcd detects is 1280x1024, sometimes 1680x1050. Is there anyway to make these more distinct? |
| 19:38.29 | infester | asg: true, ty |
| 19:38.41 | Nurulwai | Since it's vga I'm assuming the frequencies etc must be similar-ish |
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| 19:39.46 | piztek3 | how do I resize the terminal |
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| 19:41.14 | gpm | piztek3: same way you resize any window |
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| 19:42.21 | piztek3 | gpm: but it resizes on a new load |
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| 19:42.57 | bluesceada | piztek3: the real tty's or virtual terminals in x ? |
| 19:43.49 | piztek3 | gnome-terminal |
| 19:44.02 | gpm | i don't know. |
| 19:44.02 | bluesceada | eh ? just use the mouse |
| 19:44.17 | gpm | bluesceada: no he wants it to start with a certain geometry |
| 19:44.20 | bluesceada | ah |
| 19:44.24 | gpm | i don't know if you can do that with gnome-terminal |
| 19:44.29 | gpm | you can with xterm |
| 19:44.29 | bluesceada | check man gnome-terminal |
| 19:44.44 | bluesceada | or gnome-terminal --help |
| 19:44.56 | xingu | --geometry. |
| 19:47.18 | ma3x | in (gdb) after I type 'run' how do I stop it? |
| 19:47.18 | gpm | yeah, there's no easy way, you have to use the --geometry arg when running gnome-terminal, and if you don't know about geometry yet, you have to read about it in man X |
| 19:47.18 | piztek3 | i can't type into gtkterm |
| 19:47.19 | bluesceada | ma3x: why stop? you mean the program? |
| 19:47.20 | bluesceada | it stays open in the crashed stayed usually |
| 19:47.20 | ma3x | bluesceada, yeah |
| 19:47.20 | bluesceada | s/stayed/state |
| 19:47.20 | bluesceada | ma3x: but you should have the gdb terminal still open then |
| 19:47.20 | ma3x | well it opens a window for the program, how do I close it? |
| 19:47.21 | ma3x | X wont work |
| 19:47.22 | karsten | uswsusp error w/ s2disk: Could not stat the resume device file. strace shows: stat64("/dev/hda5,", 0xbf94d4b0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 19:47.22 | karsten | Clues? |
| 19:47.23 | bluesceada | anyone knows where to get decent and correct acpi scripts for newer thinkpads (like r60e, z61e..) |
| 19:47.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: AT WORK! |
| 19:47.25 | karsten | 2.6.18-4-686 kernel, thinkpad T31 |
| 19:47.25 | bluesceada | the ones coming with acpi are really bad |
| 19:47.30 | karsten | s2ram _does_ work. |
| 19:47.36 | bluesceada | also acpid is quite bad designed imo |
| 19:47.46 | karsten | /proc/cmdline (kernel boot params): root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=0x317 pci=noacpi resume=/dev/hda5 |
| 19:48.00 | bluesceada | karsten: is /dev/hda5 correct? |
| 19:48.11 | karsten | bluesceada: yep. |
| 19:48.15 | bluesceada | sure? |
| 19:48.21 | karsten | bluesceada: Note the stat64. I can run userspace 'stat' on it. |
| 19:48.38 | bluesceada | hm |
| 19:48.44 | bolatax | how to clear the partition table of my compact flash? when i want to create a new partition on it, it says me /dev/hdd1p1 instead of /dev/hdd1... i think the partition table is not OK, so what command can i perform to clear th epartition table? |
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| 19:48.47 | Zap-W | bo |
| 19:48.53 | asg | karsten: are you using s2disk? |
| 19:49.00 | karsten | asg: Yes. |
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| 19:49.32 | karsten | http://paste.debian.net/29330 |
| 19:49.36 | karsten | stat /dev/hda |
| 19:49.38 | karsten | stat /dev/hda5 |
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| 19:50.12 | caravel | hiya folks |
| 19:50.15 | asg | karsten: the resume devices is defined in /etc/uswsusp.conf. Try removing the resume= bit in your kernel def since it my be confusing something. |
| 19:50.19 | asg | *device |
| 19:50.45 | Zap-W | what could cause the screen to go weird colors when switching between X and virtual console |
| 19:51.13 | caravel | I´m looking for people who have some knowledge about clonezilla-live -- since it´s based on debian-live, anyone here could point me to the relevant channel ? thanks |
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| 19:52.23 | gpm | piztek3: this is rather useful http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Using_screen |
| 19:52.37 | gpm | piztek3: turns out you can have two different "windows" in one screen with screen |
| 19:53.14 | piztek3 | i'm having a heck of a time figuring out which terminal i should use |
| 19:53.56 | gpm | that's partly a matter of personal taste |
| 19:54.02 | gpm | there's no "right" and "wrong" |
| 19:54.04 | xingu | gpm: splitvt can do that without the grossness of screen. :) |
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| 19:54.36 | gpm | xingu: but screen is so awesome |
| 19:54.37 | karsten | asg: I'd just added that, actually. |
| 19:54.47 | gpm | xingu: can splitvt detach? |
| 19:54.48 | karsten | asg: bugreported, though the mail won't go out until I'm on corp net. |
| 19:54.57 | karsten | Zap-W: photons. |
| 19:55.04 | piztek3 | i'll look into it |
| 19:55.05 | piztek3 | thanks |
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| 19:55.36 | karsten | Zap-W: That seems to be a characteristic of some video cards, in some modes. My system doesn't like doing both console and X when in Xinerama / dual-head mode, but is fine single-head. |
| 19:55.49 | karsten | Zap-W: ... which I guess means there *is* such a thing as getting too much head. |
| 19:55.50 | asg | karsten: oh, okay. |
| 19:55.59 | karsten | asg: Catch you on the flipside. |
| 19:56.13 | karsten | asg: s2ram _does_ work, need to sort my dual/single head conversion though. |
| 19:56.22 | asg | karsten: have a good one. Let me know how it works out. |
| 19:56.22 | xingu | gpm: no, it does exactly what it says on the tin. |
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| 19:57.38 | piztek3 | are there any repos i can add that will have a lot of gnome apps? |
| 19:58.12 | asg | piztek3: the standard debian ones already have tons of gnome apps. You just need to learn how to search for things (/msg dpkg search) |
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| 20:00.25 | vyrus001 | i recompiled my kernel and now alsa does not work at all... i recompiled the drivers and alsa lib and bolth install perfictly.. but do not work |
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| 20:01.57 | abrotman | vyrus001: why? |
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| 20:02.08 | abrotman | asg: won't you be glad to go back to work? :) |
| 20:02.11 | smacnay | Hi, any suggestions on a calendar app that is usable in X but also can be accessed in console? |
| 20:02.16 | centrx | cal ! |
| 20:02.19 | smacnay | thanks |
| 20:02.24 | vyrus001 | abrotman, why ? |
| 20:02.47 | asg | abrotman: for one day and then I have the weekend :) |
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| 20:03.50 | peterrus | is there anyone here that knows about a bootfloppy to boot usb drives |
| 20:04.48 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 20:04.58 | abrotman | vyrus001: why did you build a kernel ? |
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| 20:05.12 | abrotman | peterrus: why not just use the bootfloppies then ? |
| 20:05.12 | sivik | !cd |
| 20:05.13 | dpkg | it has been said that cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
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| 20:05.25 | abrotman | sivik: need help ? |
| 20:05.46 | sivik | trying to figure out how to mount a cd/dvd without being root |
| 20:05.48 | ma3x | is the fglrx driver broken in unstable? |
| 20:06.03 | peterrus | abrotman, because I want something universal, for other osses as well |
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| 20:06.23 | vyrus001 | abrotman, trying to get a pcmcia card installed.... which didnt work eather yet <_< |
| 20:06.32 | caravel | anyone knows about clonezilla ? |
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| 20:07.19 | Zap-W | hey anyone got bootsplash animations working in debian etch? |
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| 20:07.47 | abrotman | sivik: first .. don't msg me .. second .. man mount |
| 20:07.52 | ftp3 | I ran this: apt-get install localeconf <-- but i screwed up.. I need to redo it.. i tried apt-get remove localeconf.. which says it removed it, but when i run apt-get install localeconf again, it does not ask any of the config questions anymore |
| 20:08.07 | abrotman | ftp3: dpkg-reconfigure localeconf |
| 20:08.19 | sivik | i have aleady read man mount and it didn't explain how to do it a a normal user and i found something online that said to edit the fstab but that still isn't working for me |
| 20:08.24 | ftp3 | thank you abrotman |
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| 20:08.43 | abrotman | sivik: yes it does |
| 20:08.52 | sivik | whatever |
| 20:09.07 | abrotman | look for the 'user' option |
| 20:09.20 | abrotman | if it still doesn't work .. give us a better/different error |
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| 20:10.29 | ftp3 | hmm, i still get this: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. when i try and install things |
| 20:10.53 | wols_ | !tell ftp3 about locales |
| 20:11.09 | wols_ | sivik: you are not running debian. please use #ubuntu |
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| 20:11.20 | sivik | eat me wols_ |
| 20:11.22 | wols_ | sivik: and I told you what to use |
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| 20:11.27 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.27 | sivik | that isn't bloody working |
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| 20:13.12 | sivik | abrotman: the thing that wols_ is telling me to do gives the same error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23491/ |
| 20:14.11 | XtypeWriter74 | hi i have USRobotics WlanCard ( lsusb--> Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) ) and cannot get it to be reconized as Wlan- it show as eth1 in Desktop-->Administa..->Networking |
| 20:14.14 | piztek3 | how do you quit a man page |
| 20:14.17 | XtypeWriter74 | q |
| 20:14.26 | sivik | XtypeWriter74, thats how mine works |
| 20:14.30 | atperez | Esc |
| 20:14.46 | shingouz | sivik: mount /media/cdrom1 and go read man mount |
| 20:15.09 | sivik | thank u shingouz |
| 20:15.19 | shingouz | !u |
| 20:15.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:15.20 | wols_ | sivik: msging "fuck u" is not nice |
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| 20:15.29 | XtypeWriter74 | sivic but i need the KEY to enter my router |
| 20:15.32 | sivik | oh well |
| 20:15.33 | wols_ | and now fuck off and go back to #ubuntu where you belong |
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| 20:15.49 | sivik | XtypeWriter74, then all u have to do is iwconfig eth1 key wirelesskey |
| 20:16.08 | XtypeWriter74 | but iwconfig doesnt work even as sudo |
| 20:16.10 | shingouz | this begins to sound like a sunday again |
| 20:16.10 | x_link | wols_: Hi man, did you remember my question about "alsaconf" earlier today? |
| 20:16.11 | XtypeWriter74 | or su |
| 20:16.19 | sivik | XtypeWriter74, what is the error u get when u do the iwconfig |
| 20:16.23 | wols_ | x_link: no. my brain is a sieve |
| 20:16.42 | wols_ | !permasunday |
| 20:16.42 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 20:17.08 | shingouz | wols_: i know... :s |
| 20:17.16 | XtypeWriter74 | sivic command not found |
| 20:17.20 | XtypeWriter74 | sivik |
| 20:17.23 | XtypeWriter74 | i meant |
| 20:17.30 | shingouz | XtypeWriter74: install it then |
| 20:17.47 | ftp3 | wols_ , I tried that (dpkg-reconfigure locales) but I am still getting these errors when i try and apt-get install stuff: perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" |
| 20:17.51 | XtypeWriter74 | tried it with apt-get install iwconfig hmm doesnt work |
| 20:18.06 | asg | XtypeWriter74: install the wireless-tools package |
| 20:18.16 | XtypeWriter74 | oh thanks |
| 20:18.21 | cydork | !tell XtypeWriter74 about search |
| 20:18.23 | wols_ | ftp3: you did select en_US.UTF-8 when you dpkg-reconfigured? |
| 20:18.23 | asg | XtypeWriter74: and read wireless(7) (it will tell you how to add the necessary opers to /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 20:18.40 | x_link | wols_: Okej I will ask againt hen. |
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| 20:18.51 | XtypeWriter74 | yoo, thanx peops |
| 20:19.22 | ftp3 | wols_ yes.. but it apparently is not saving it or something.. since the "Language" is unset and LC_ALL is unset |
| 20:19.22 | x_link | Everytime I reboot I have to run "alsaconf" to get any sound. Other wise it doesn't work. |
| 20:19.24 | x_link | It was like this once before, but then it was fixed. I don't know why. |
| 20:19.25 | x_link | But now it's like this again. |
| 20:19.33 | x_link | I really don't know what to do to fix this. |
| 20:19.39 | x_link | wols_: Do you know anything I could try? |
| 20:19.48 | XtypeWriter74 | beautiful, thanks alot!!! |
| 20:20.00 | shingouz | x_link: you run a thinkpad? |
| 20:20.02 | asg | x_link: use alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 20:20.13 | x_link | shingouz: No, dekstop machine. |
| 20:20.17 | shingouz | k |
| 20:20.26 | x_link | asg: It's not on mute |
| 20:20.28 | wols_ | x_link: check what is loadede when you boot and then check what has changed after you run alsaconf |
| 20:20.37 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 20:23.56 | mmnicolas | hi, i made three times the same image with partimage and the resulting file size differs from a few bytes, should i care ? |
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| 20:26.12 | mmnicolas | they are 21836020436 and 2183602335 |
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| 20:26.56 | piztek3 | how do i connect with irssi |
| 20:27.07 | ftp3 | no matter what I do.. I keep erroring out on: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. blah blah and the locales settings are never right |
| 20:27.13 | Ronin | piztek3: man irssi or thier webpage |
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| 20:28.19 | wols_ | piztek3: /connect serverURL |
| 20:28.37 | wols_ | mmnicolas: was that partition mounted? |
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| 20:29.35 | mmnicolas | wols_: im backuping and ext3 from a livecd |
| 20:29.36 | ma3x | how do I add a pgp key? |
| 20:29.38 | mmnicolas | *an |
| 20:29.43 | piztek3 | irc.freenode.net |
| 20:29.52 | mmnicolas | sorry no, it was not mounted |
| 20:30.00 | wols_ | mmnicolas: that is not what I asked |
| 20:30.08 | wols_ | ok, then |
| 20:30.15 | wols_ | then it shouldn't be a different size imho |
| 20:30.24 | wols_ | ma3x: man gpg |
| 20:30.35 | mmnicolas | wols_: ill do it a fourth time |
| 20:30.44 | mmnicolas | you see the size difference is not much |
| 20:30.48 | mmnicolas | but still.. |
| 20:31.02 | wols_ | shouldn't be any if you use the same commandline everytime :( |
| 20:32.06 | mmnicolas | so this issue if probably due to the liability of the media from where the partition is backuped or the media on which i save the image |
| 20:32.12 | mmnicolas | s/if/is |
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| 20:34.02 | piztek3 | i can't install centerirq |
| 20:34.58 | Ronin | piztek3: why cant you |
| 20:35.07 | piztek3 | it says no package |
| 20:35.11 | wols_ | piztek3: error messages are a great thing. unless you talk to a buch of psychics |
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| 20:35.16 | wols_ | !tell piztek3 about search |
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| 20:35.29 | Ronin | sure you dont mean centericq? |
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| 20:35.44 | piztek3 | yeah thats what i meant |
| 20:35.55 | wols_ | !info centericq etch |
| 20:35.58 | dpkg | centericq: (A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client), section net, is optional. Version: 4.21.0-18 (etch), Packaged size: 1254 kB, Installed size: 3000 kB |
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| 20:36.11 | wols_ | piztek3: so you are sure it can't be found? |
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| 20:37.05 | piztek3 | c, r, same diff! :D (idiot) |
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| 20:40.24 | eldowan | Supaplex: are you hanging around? |
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| 20:42.23 | Supaplex | maybe |
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| 20:46.12 | karsten | asg: Dig. Just kicked out the bug report. |
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| 20:46.59 | Miles_Prower | I have installed and am testing out XFE, the file manager? however, nowhere can I find install for XFI, the file viewer that it integrates with by default, which I also wish to try out. Any help? google wasnt. |
| 20:48.13 | piztek3 | in centericq how do i auto join an irc channel? |
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| 20:48.40 | karsten | Hrm. Any way to force a second monitor to wake up when reattaching to it on resume, w/o rebooting? |
| 20:49.24 | dogmeat | i did sudo usermod -G root jay, then sudo wouldn't allow me to run commands as root anymore, does usermod modify any other file except /etc/group? |
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| 20:49.51 | dogmeat | karsten, cntrl-alt-backspace will restart gdm aka X |
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| 20:51.08 | Gurax | Is is true that if I issue "mailq" as root, exim will process the email queue imediately? |
| 20:51.14 | karsten | dogmeat: That was the first thing I tried. |
| 20:51.25 | karsten | dogmeat: More explicitly: /etc/init.d/wdm restart |
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| 20:52.10 | xand | Gurax: no, it'll list the queue |
| 20:52.45 | xand | Gurax: maybe you want runq? |
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| 20:53.04 | Gurax | xand: That's what I was observing too. Then let me dig the options of forcing a queue processing ... |
| 20:53.15 | Gurax | xand: well... thanks :) |
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| 20:53.19 | wols_ | dogmeat: you're still in the wrong channel. #ubuntu |
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| 20:54.42 | brandon_ | hello |
| 20:54.42 | brandon_ | piztek3: |
| 20:54.42 | brandon_ | sweet!!! |
| 20:55.30 | brandon_ | piztek3: irssi is sweeeet! |
| 20:55.30 | asdf | asdf |
| 20:55.31 | donny | lol |
| 20:55.56 | donny | whoa how do i change the colors in irssi |
| 20:55.57 | xand | which colours? |
| 20:55.57 | dogmeat | right, but apparently usermod -G root jay removes user jay from the group, but when checking /etc/group i still see the line jay:x:1000:, so i suspect jay is still a group, but somehow uid jay was removed (?) |
| 20:55.58 | donny | xand: chat colors in terminal |
| 20:55.58 | donny | the contacts are white |
| 20:56.01 | donny | and i can't see anything |
| 20:56.11 | xand | /set colors on |
| 20:56.17 | xand | make your terminal white on black |
| 20:56.36 | xand | or gray on baclk |
| 20:56.37 | donny | xand: okay i did that |
| 20:56.37 | xand | *black |
| 20:56.41 | dogmeat | wols_, channel #ubuntu is not too responsive, with a lot of chatter |
| 20:56.59 | xand | !they won't help |
| 20:57.01 | xand | bah |
| 20:57.12 | donny | still don't understand how to get irssi to auto connect and auto join |
| 20:57.42 | xand | /help server, /help network, /help channel |
| 20:57.49 | xand | and #irssi |
| 20:58.16 | robin_sz | dogmeat, true, so why not change your distro to one with a better support chjannel? |
| 20:58.21 | donny | if i join another chat, how do i move between the chats? |
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| 20:58.47 | xand | if you mean channel, then either alt-X where X is the window number, or /win X, or /win goto #channel |
| 20:58.57 | xand | or several other ways |
| 20:59.20 | chop1 | dogmeat: Or you can just choose another random software and ask their support network -- I'm sure #perl or #windows will be plenty responsive. |
| 20:59.25 | wols_ | dogmeat: we don't care. either you run debian or you choose another channel for support. those are the choices |
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| 20:59.30 | donny | xand, how? |
| 20:59.51 | wols_ | dogmeat: by editing ~/.irssi/config ro reading the irssi startup howto on irssi.org |
| 21:00.03 | xand | donny: how what? |
| 21:00.12 | donny | do i scroll up? |
| 21:00.19 | xand | press page-up |
| 21:00.29 | donny | oh cool |
| 21:01.12 | donny | wols_: i'm in the config, where do i put an auto join, and how? |
| 21:01.19 | Ronin | donny: read irssi.org |
| 21:01.26 | xand | editing the config file is not recommended |
| 21:01.28 | wols_ | donny: read the docs |
| 21:01.29 | Ronin | its all covered in their faq |
| 21:01.38 | donny | which section of the website |
| 21:01.47 | Ronin | donny: if your on it you'd see it |
| 21:02.01 | wols_ | donny: the documentation part perhaps? |
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| 21:03.21 | donny | sweet, it's ctrl+n |
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| 21:04.20 | donny | does anyone here use centerirq? |
| 21:04.21 | karsten | donny: /win <number> or /join #channel (even if you've already joined it). |
| 21:04.31 | karsten | !tell donny about polls |
| 21:04.32 | donny | karsten: ctrl n |
| 21:04.35 | karsten | donny: Just ask. |
| 21:04.48 | karsten | donny: My WM steals that for its own deviant purposes. |
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| 21:06.10 | abrotman | he says that to all the ladies |
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| 21:07.05 | donny | how can I scroll with the mouse in irssi in gnome-terminal? |
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| 21:07.23 | bushblows | just use pg up pg dowm |
| 21:07.23 | karsten | abrotman: But I *especially* say it to you. |
| 21:07.26 | bushblows | down |
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| 21:13.31 | caravel | hi all |
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| 21:14.02 | rshakin | hey |
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| 21:17.28 | rshakin | hmm, i take it there is no one here who is monitoring |
| 21:17.55 | wols_ | rshakin: ask your real question |
| 21:18.19 | centrx | people don't generally respond to "hey" |
| 21:18.20 | rshakin | hehe... how long should the flash take... i am having trouble flashng over to openzarius |
| 21:18.20 | caravel | rshakin: take it easy :) |
| 21:18.21 | centrx | otherwise everything would be |
| 21:18.22 | centrx | hey |
| 21:18.24 | centrx | hello |
| 21:18.43 | centrx | how is it going |
| 21:18.43 | centrx | good |
| 21:18.43 | centrx | how about you |
| 21:18.43 | centrx | great |
| 21:18.44 | centrx | I have a question |
| 21:18.44 | centrx | what is your question |
| 21:18.44 | centrx | it is about Debian |
| 21:18.44 | centrx | really? |
| 21:18.44 | centrx | please ask your question |
| 21:18.56 | chop1 | Well, apache's not working for me |
| 21:18.57 | chop1 | What does it do? |
| 21:18.58 | sepski | centrx, please you /msg if you want to talk to yourself |
| 21:19.01 | chop1 | It has an error |
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| 21:19.07 | chop1 | What's the error? |
| 21:19.07 | rshakin | hah... wrong chann all together :-) |
| 21:19.10 | chop1 | And so on :-) |
| 21:19.26 | rshakin | sorry guys :0) did not see i was in debian ;) |
| 21:19.34 | centrx | heh |
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| 21:21.07 | XtypeWriter74 | sivik ? |
| 21:21.27 | caravel | ok folks, here is mine : can you help me with the syntax to lzop en entire filesystem ? with relative paths (of course) and if possible using the same method and compression level as clonezilla-live´s -z3 option ? |
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| 21:23.41 | XtypeWriter74 | I have set my everything in /etc/network/interfaces but i cannot seem to bring up my Wlan PCI card ( BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] ): here is all the info i think would be of importance : http://paste.debian.net/29339 |
| 21:23.46 | caravel | (tried hard to figure out what clonezilla does, but without succes so far, but that suits me very much) |
| 21:23.46 | smcavoy_ | is there anyway to increase amount of compiler jobs dpkg-buildpackage will launch, something like the equiv of make -j 3 |
| 21:24.45 | abrotman | i think there's a CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 21:25.10 | abrotman | XtypeWriter74: ? |
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| 21:25.25 | XtypeWriter74 | what u mean abrotman ? |
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| 21:25.35 | chop1 | caravel: Unless you need full clonezilla compatibility, I'd just use tar c --one-filesystem / | lzop - |
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| 21:25.56 | XtypeWriter74 | have i missed something |
| 21:26.42 | chop1 | caravel: Using lzop to compress a filesystem and then expecting it to get all the fiddly bits right when you decompress sounds like a good way to get screwed |
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| 21:27.44 | abrotman | bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 21:28.05 | bokey | running badblock on mounted hd is advisable or not ? |
| 21:28.07 | XtypeWriter74 | is that a package |
| 21:28.22 | caravel | chop1: Oh. why is that ? clonezilla use it, and I tried to restore to be sure, it did rock and was damn fast, while the archive was smaller than ever |
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| 21:29.52 | chop1 | bokey: Only advisable if you don't care about the data on the filesystem very much... |
| 21:29.52 | caravel | chop1: (and thanks, I' searching the massive manual about the --one-filesystem option) |
| 21:29.53 | darkelf_ | XtypeWriter74: If you want to use the driver bcm43xx included in the kernel, you have to install the network card firmware with the bcm43xx-fwcutter package |
| 21:29.53 | wols_ | bokey: not at all. it's also a bad thing to run |
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| 21:29.53 | wols_ | bokey: smartmontools is what you need |
| 21:29.53 | XtypeWriter74 | it is not in apt-cache |
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| 21:29.57 | bokey | wols_, hrm.. thanks |
| 21:30.03 | chop1 | caravel: I don't know about clonezilla, sorry |
| 21:30.06 | wols_ | !bcm43xx |
| 21:30.06 | dpkg | hmm... bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx |
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| 21:30.25 | wols_ | XtypeWriter74: you need non-free and contrib |
| 21:30.42 | caravel | chop1: never mind, but please can you expand what you said about how risky was the use of lzop ? |
| 21:30.45 | XtypeWriter74 | ok, thanks alot!!! ;D |
| 21:31.35 | chop1 | caravel: I just meant to say that I would not be confident of getting everything right to make lzop preserve all the right attributes and re-extract them exactly as they were. It's not trivial. |
| 21:31.35 | darkelf_ | or you can use ndiswrapper with the windows driver of your card |
| 21:31.46 | darkelf_ | there is a lot of tutorial about this, use google |
| 21:32.50 | caravel | chop1: I think I misunderstand the concept of lzop, don't quite get you here |
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| 21:34.43 | chop1 | caravel: If you say "sudo zip /mnt/disk/test.zip /" and then try to restore the resulting zip, you'll lose file ownership information, and presumably boatloads of other stuff (device nodes, named pipes, SELinux attributes). |
| 21:34.44 | donny | /wc |
| 21:34.46 | karsten | Feh, external monitor only fires up if it's present at boot. Best I can tell. |
| 21:34.47 | donny | /wc |
| 21:35.32 | karsten | donny: No leading space for client commands. What are you trying to do? |
| 21:35.32 | karsten | donny: Possibly '/cl' |
| 21:35.32 | chop1 | caravel: In the absence of any knowledge to the contrary, I would be inclined to think that lzop would suffer from the same problem -- possible correctibly if you give it the right arguments. |
| 21:35.37 | donny | |
| 21:35.50 | chop1 | caravel: Therefore I would recommend using 'sudo tar' and just using lzop for compression, since I know that tar gets all the fiddly bits right. |
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| 21:36.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | ./warsow.x86_64: error while loading shared libraries: libcurl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:36.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out, please? |
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| 21:37.05 | chop1 | Dark_Apostrophe: How did you install warsow? Have you libcurl installed? |
| 21:37.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | chop1: The binary from their homepage, due to lack of debs |
| 21:37.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | chop1: And yes, AFAIK |
| 21:38.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | libcurl4 is already the newest version. |
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| 21:38.33 | chop1 | Dark_Apostrophe: Looks like it wants libcurl3. But, really you should ask the people who provided you the binary. |
| 21:39.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | chop1: the binary is from warsow.net |
| 21:39.29 | caravel | chop1: so, I assume clonezilla or partimage folks did implement the lzop algorythm right into their software ? and that I cannot reproduce the functionality as a command line ? |
| 21:39.29 | caravel | chop1: ok -- so the pipe will do it ? oh, and I did not see anything about "--one-filesystem" option, what did you mean there ? |
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| 21:41.32 | chop1 | caravel: Sorry, --one-file-system was what I meant. And I don't know anything about clonezilla. I'm just telling you what I would do in your situation. |
| 21:41.32 | caravel | chop1: sorry found it, it is "--one-file-system", that say, "stay in local file system when creating an archive" which I don't quite understand |
| 21:41.38 | chop1 | caravel: You said you wanted to archive a file system. Well, that'll do _a_ filesystem, and avoid e.g. /proc |
| 21:41.54 | chop1 | Dark_Apostrophe: They sound like fine folks to get support from on why it won't run, then :-) |
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| 21:42.39 | caravel | chop1: oh -- ok, thanks. Mine is not running, just mounted from the a live cd |
| 21:42.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | chop1: It's a static binary, it's not intended for any specific distro |
| 21:43.05 | chop1 | caravel: Ah, okay. I'd cd to the root directory of that filesystem and do tar c . then, instead of tar c / |
| 21:43.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | chop1: Nvm, made it work |
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| 21:44.34 | caravel | chop1: got you, thanks -- do I need any specific options such as --preserve-permissions? |
| 21:44.53 | caravel | sorry to be such a newbie, all |
| 21:44.59 | chop1 | caravel: I believe that tar (WHEN RUN AS ROOT) preserves all necessary information by default |
| 21:45.23 | karsten | chop1: When run as any user. |
| 21:45.32 | karsten | chop1: However you need to _extract_ as root to restore it. |
| 21:45.52 | karsten | chop1: ownerships, that is. |
| 21:45.56 | chop1 | karsten: Ah, quite right. I'd misremembered. |
| 21:45.59 | caravel | hi karsten, and thanks |
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| 21:49.40 | dogmeat | fixed my sudo problem ... had nothing to do with #ubuntu! |
| 21:50.01 | caravel | ok so, that would give eg. " tar c myext3fs.tar.lzo /mnt/lvm | lzop - " that´s it ? |
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| 21:50.27 | taxman | hello, dumb question, but I can't find it in the docs or faq. I just installed etch with desktop environment (gnome) when I try to run the update manager, it asks for the admin password. I assumed it was my user password that I use to sudo with, but that tells me it's an incorrect pwd. |
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| 21:51.08 | JoshH | try root password that you created during install |
| 21:51.23 | taxman | the install never asked for a root password that I can recall |
| 21:51.31 | taxman | I installed from floppy |
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| 21:51.43 | JoshH | your memory must be foggy, unless you are using ubuntu |
| 21:51.44 | chop1 | caravel: No, "cd /mnt/lvm; tar c . | lzop -" |
| 21:51.46 | steven43126 | taxman, reboot select rescue / single user mode and run the passwd command to reset the password |
| 21:52.15 | JoshH | if sudo works, you might be able to juts do sudo passwd root |
| 21:52.21 | taxman | the rescue mode is root? |
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| 21:52.49 | taxman | but if I can sudo, shouldn't the passwd manager want that passwd, not the root passwd? |
| 21:53.13 | karsten | taxman: We're presuming that GNOME wants the root password, not your user pass for sudo. |
| 21:53.20 | karsten | taxman: So use sudo to set root's password. |
| 21:53.21 | steven43126 | taxman can you sudo to root ? |
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| 21:53.29 | steven43126 | try sudo su |
| 21:53.37 | taxman | steven43126: yes, I'll try that |
| 21:53.46 | alexis | hello all |
| 21:53.48 | taxman | just wondering why it wants the root pwd |
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| 21:53.53 | karsten | steven43126: Or just 'sudo -i' |
| 21:54.00 | chop1 | caravel: Test restoring the backup once you're done to make sure it created okay and you're able to restore it, of course :-). See man tar and man lzop. |
| 21:54.03 | |dennis| | using etch, do i need to install anything other than iproute and iptables to have the conntrack and nat modules available for iptables? |
| 21:54.05 | karsten | taxman: GNOME is drain bammaged. |
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| 21:54.24 | steven43126 | karsten, u learn something new every day lol |
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| 21:55.19 | taxman | welcome alexis |
| 21:55.52 | bonez39 | /192.168.15.xx/ /sklave smbfs user,noauto 0 0 Shouldn't this work, to mount attached machine 'sklave'? |
| 21:56.03 | taxman | sudo worked fine, but that's odd |
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| 21:56.33 | |dennis| | ah, nm, figured it out..its already there..was looking in the wrong netfilter dir... :) |
| 21:56.36 | bonez39 | and yet, I get this error when attempting to mount 'sklave' >> 28321: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 21:57.03 | steven43126 | taxman, guessing the gnome dialog wants the real root password then |
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| 21:57.21 | taxman | steven43126: it did, which is what seems odd to me |
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| 21:58.34 | pitosga | hello |
| 21:58.41 | caravel | chop1: don´t I need to specify the archive path and filename ?? |
| 21:58.55 | steven43126 | taxman, just the way it's configured, i should imagine it's configurable ubuntu works that way without a real root user |
| 21:59.21 | chop1 | caravel: Er, oh |
| 21:59.25 | chop1 | caravel: That might help :-) |
| 21:59.35 | bonez39 | anyone? |
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| 22:00.12 | wols_ | bonez39: nn. you need a name of a network share on the remote. /sklave is just a local directory name . you also need user and password |
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| 22:00.40 | wols_ | bonez39: and you need 2 / at the beginning //192... |
| 22:00.43 | bonez39 | wols_, I have my user name and pass on that machine...... |
| 22:01.09 | wols_ | bonez39: you don't |
| 22:01.16 | bonez39 | wols_, here's my /etc/fstab entry > //192.168.15.20/ /sklave smbfs user,noauto 0 0 |
| 22:01.25 | wols_ | bonez39: when mounting, the mount command needs to know it. it doesn't. |
| 22:01.32 | bonez39 | wols_, I am using same user name on that machine as on my linux box here |
| 22:01.33 | chop1 | caravel: tar c . | lzop -o /some/file.lzo - |
| 22:01.42 | wols_ | the remote machine needs a network share name. it has none right now |
| 22:01.55 | wols_ | and there is no username or password anywhere to be seen either |
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| 22:02.14 | wols_ | bonez39: that doens't matter. either tell it to mount explicitly or it won't work. ever |
| 22:02.25 | chop1 | caravel: lzop -d -c -f /some/file.lzo | tar x |
| 22:02.29 | bonez39 | wols_, I thought that by putting the mount information in /etc/fstab that would allow me then to 'mount /mountpoint' and then enter my user name's password to log in |
| 22:02.32 | wols_ | bonez39: read the samba howto |
| 22:02.35 | chop1 | caravel: The second command is to decompress |
| 22:02.46 | wols_ | bonez39: you need a usernamed password to mount. this is the last time I say this |
| 22:02.58 | bonez39 | wols_, sorry...... |
| 22:03.02 | wols_ | bonez39: mount runs suid root |
| 22:03.11 | wols_ | it cannot run as your user |
| 22:03.15 | caravel | chop1: now I'm with you, makes much sense to me :) trying ... thanks |
| 22:03.35 | bonez39 | wols_, I often mount my windows machine...if I an reading or writing to it, AS USER...not as root... |
| 22:03.59 | wols_ | bonez39: if you often do it and it works: why are you asking? |
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| 22:04.11 | wols_ | something doesn't add up here |
| 22:04.21 | bonez39 | wols_, cause it's not working on this new box......which I just added today....... |
| 22:04.27 | abrotman | why is he mounting his windows machine ... |
| 22:04.32 | wols_ | and reading and writing is not mounting. very different things |
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| 22:04.48 | bonez39 | abrotman, cause I use some files and databases which I share with windows.... |
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| 22:05.11 | wols_ | abrotman: he working at a bank? |
| 22:05.19 | bonez39 | wols_, I mount my windows machine and then proceed to read from it and write to it...is that not something anyone else does? all linux purist....no interaction between *nix and winders? |
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| 22:05.51 | abrotman | wols_: uhm .. no .. stuff i'm working on at work |
| 22:05.51 | alexis | salut tous le monde y a des francais ici |
| 22:05.52 | wols_ | bonez39: I won't tell your errors a fifth time. go away |
| 22:05.55 | abrotman | !fr |
| 22:05.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:06.06 | taxman | thanks guys, all happy now :) |
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| 22:06.29 | bonez39 | wols_, tut mir leid.....ich versuche... |
| 22:07.11 | wols_ | !de |
| 22:07.12 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 22:07.28 | taxman | sirf angrezi mein kyon? :) |
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| 22:07.51 | wols_ | bonez39: you have several errors in that fstab line. read the samba howto if you are unable to understand what I wrote |
| 22:07.55 | bonez39 | wols_, I am not german...but maybe they are a bit more patient there.....sorry I am so dense that I can't grasp your instructions.. |
| 22:08.21 | wols_ | the howto has it documented fairly extensively |
| 22:08.35 | mick_home | bonez39: they aren't the friendliest bunch in there ;) |
| 22:09.43 | mick_home | last i checked |
| 22:09.43 | bonez39 | mick_home, can't be any less patient than the help here though... |
| 22:09.44 | mick_home | believe me... ;) |
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| 22:10.06 | caravel | chop1: seems to run, however I get a few messages such as "./var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: socket ignored" Should I care ? |
| 22:10.13 | chop1 | caravel: No, that's okay |
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| 22:10.42 | chop1 | caravel: Caution: run both the archive creation and the archive extraction commands from the root directory of the filesystem you want to operate on. |
| 22:10.47 | chop1 | caravel: Otherwise doom will ensue :-) |
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| 22:11.20 | mick_home | alexis: could you help me translate something to french? (http://fr.clamwin.com/content/view/110/1/) -- it is 3 lines |
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| 22:11.31 | mick_home | sorry, i forgot to /msg |
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| 22:12.12 | caravel | chop1: oky. But what can I not reverse the command, going first to the dest dir and then specifying the input in the tar command line ? |
| 22:12.12 | bronaugh | hmmm; just installed icedove2, and it doesn't work; my old settings didn't port over, I can't import them, and I can't start from scratch, so far as I can tell. |
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| 22:16.51 | bonez39 | wols_, thanks for your help...it's just unable to penetrate my thick skull...... |
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| 22:17.18 | wols_ | bonez39: have you found the samba howto? |
| 22:17.19 | torrr | hi, |
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| 22:17.50 | bonez39 | wols_, going to dig into the samba howto....yeah, I can access that howto.... |
| 22:17.51 | torrr | I added some deb-src to sources list, but I don't find packages for it in synaptic, is that normal? |
| 22:17.52 | bronaugh | ooo, a naughty asian born in 1985 |
| 22:17.54 | chop1 | caravel: I gave you a command for extracting the archive; is that one working? If not, what's the error? |
| 22:17.58 | chop1 | (I'm heading out soon, BTW) |
| 22:17.59 | bronaugh | cleeeever. |
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| 22:18.33 | bonez39 | wols_, I guess I should have explained what I wanted on that machine..I want to install zimbra to it..set up zimbra on it..and so I wanted to access it...apt-get update and upgrade it...... and then turn it loose running zimbra. |
| 22:18.50 | bonez39 | wols_, thus I figured if I could log in to that machine, I could get it updated as I want it |
| 22:19.12 | wols_ | you want to install zimbra on what machine? |
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| 22:20.11 | bonez39 | wols on this machine , this new linux box I have plugged in to my router |
| 22:20.39 | wols_ | bonez39: so why would you need a smaba connection to a windows machine for zimbra? |
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| 22:20.59 | bonez39 | wols_, in order to do this..I thought I should update it with apt-get update/upgrade..and then install zimbra on it...it's not a WINDERS machine..this new machine I am wanting to mount runs Debian 3.1....LINUX.....no windows on it |
| 22:21.02 | wols_ | what is zimbra? |
| 22:21.25 | wols_ | bonez39: and it does run samba? if so: what are the network share names? |
| 22:21.25 | bonez39 | wols_, zimbra is an opensource....exchange replacement and improvement...... |
| 22:21.28 | bonez39 | running ajax |
| 22:21.39 | bonez39 | wols_, yes, this box in question runs samba.... |
| 22:21.48 | wols_ | and again: why do you need samba for zimbra? |
| 22:22.01 | wols_ | bonez39: have you defined a share on that server machine? |
| 22:22.11 | bonez39 | wols_, I guess I need to set up the shares....I thought I could just name it in mount and mount it and then upgrade it |
| 22:22.32 | bonez39 | wols_, No, I guess I have not yet defined a share on this new server machine.... that's where this has fallen apart... |
| 22:22.35 | wols_ | bonez39: of upgrading anything in debian you don't need smaba. you need apt-ge |
| 22:22.44 | wols_ | !samba |
| 22:22.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
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| 22:23.53 | bonez39 | ssh got me there...ok, I was attempting to get in the wrong way |
| 22:24.26 | caravel | chop1: sorry on the phone, gimme a sec |
| 22:27.16 | karsten | For mysql / .my.cnf, how would I specify a default user/pass that differs for different servers and/or databases? |
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| 22:27.43 | wols_ | karsten: you regulate access to DBs via the USER table |
| 22:27.52 | wols_ | not with my.cnf |
| 22:27.53 | karsten | wols_: Not what I asked. |
| 22:28.10 | karsten | wols_: I want to specify my user password. May be multiple databases. |
| 22:28.24 | wols_ | use password to do what? |
| 22:28.27 | karsten | wols_: I can't find any docs for my.conf structure. |
| 22:28.34 | wols_ | the mysql passwords are stored in a mysql table |
| 22:28.50 | wols_ | mysql.com docs? |
| 22:29.08 | bonez39 | wols_, thanks...again...using ssh to connect and then do what I need on that machine |
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| 22:29.43 | karsten | wols_: I want to *supply* the password via mysql (client app) on connection rather than be prompted. |
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| 22:29.51 | karsten | !cluebat wols |
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| 22:30.47 | karsten | wols_: Been reading the reference manual, have a locally d/l'd copy, manpages, etc. No 'my.cnf(5)' type manpage AFAICT. |
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| 22:47.15 | kichik | how can i get etch to boot from sata2 hd? i dd'ed etch from ide to sata and now it won't boot because "there's no such device as /dev/root" |
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| 22:47.38 | kichik | i tried update-initramfs after adding sata_via and even raid10 to /etc/initramfs/modules |
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| 22:50.24 | kichik | i also tried passing sata_via as boot in lilo.conf |
| 22:50.26 | kichik | didn't help |
| 22:50.34 | kichik | i don't even see the sata drive in dmesg |
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| 22:52.45 | wols_ | kichik: yes it can. it's not the sata2 drive but the driver that might be a problem |
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| 22:53.30 | kichik | wols_, which driver should i try? i got it to load sata_via, libata and scsi_mod |
| 22:53.37 | kichik | the board is via's |
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| 22:54.05 | kichik | rescuecd seems to load just raid10 for it |
| 22:54.12 | kichik | so i added that as well |
| 22:54.16 | wols_ | sata_via usually |
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| 22:54.25 | wols_ | is this a raid setup? |
| 22:54.33 | kichik | no, i disabled raid in the bios |
| 22:54.38 | kichik | sata_via is loaded |
| 22:54.45 | kichik | still same error and nothing in dmesg |
| 22:55.21 | wols_ | kichik: is that error message the full error? |
| 22:55.26 | wols_ | nothing before? |
| 22:55.35 | kichik | not exactly |
| 22:55.57 | kichik | let me copy it |
| 22:55.59 | kichik | not ssh =/ |
| 22:56.47 | kichik | /init: /init: 1: cannot open /dev/root: No such device or address |
| 22:56.56 | kichik | then just random failure of the init scripts because it doesn't detect this error |
| 22:57.06 | kichik | modprobe fails because it tries to load empty fs driver |
| 22:57.11 | wols_ | kichik: paste your /etc/fstab and tell us the kernel parameters you use |
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| 22:57.20 | kichik | no kernel parms |
| 22:57.41 | wols_ | if there is no kernel parameter your box can't boot. trust me ther is one |
| 22:57.43 | kichik | /etc/fstab is empty in initrd-shell |
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| 22:57.59 | kichik | you want the one from the root itself? |
| 22:58.10 | wols_ | i said /etc/fstab. nothing about initrd |
| 22:58.12 | kichik | so i'm not sure which kernel parameters you're referring to |
| 22:58.28 | wols_ | you menu.lst has a kernel parameter root=. at least it does if it's debian |
| 22:58.58 | kichik | it's a vanile kernel |
| 22:59.05 | kichik | where can i find its menu.lst? |
| 22:59.18 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.23 | kichik | root's /etc/fstab will take a while, gotta boot from cd |
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| 22:59.28 | ramatieg | I'm trying to use approx as a package proxy for my LAN. I set the interface it listens on to eth0. However, the approx server can then not proxy for itself (i.e. it doesn't respond on local interface). Does anyone know how to fix that without resorting to iptables? |
| 22:59.43 | kichik | wols_, i'm using lilo, no grub |
| 23:02.04 | karsten | asg: Found the uswsusp bug. Trailing comma in /etc/uswsusp.conf |
| 23:02.04 | karsten | asg: Suspend now works. |
| 23:02.05 | karsten | asg: ... but resume doesn't |
| 23:02.05 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.05 | Seb | so, i have a usb key, gets recognised a a mass-storage device, and the sr and sf drivers are loaded, but somehow /dev/sdb doesn't get created. I have to call something like "cfdisk /dev/sdb" for it to be created, and for the system to "see" the new harddrive |
| 23:02.05 | kichik | wols_, i have no boot="" there |
| 23:02.05 | Seb | any idea what's wrong ? |
| 23:03.01 | wols_ | kichik: why would you. I didn't ask for it either |
| 23:03.02 | wols_ | kichik: read what I wrote. |
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| 23:05.05 | kichik | wols_, /etc/lilo.conf has no apped=, so no special parms. /etc/fstab |
| 23:05.08 | kichik | oops |
| 23:05.19 | kichik | /etc/fstab did have /dev/hda in it |
| 23:05.35 | kichik | but isn't it loaded after initrd? |
| 23:06.34 | wols_ | kichik: then do an append |
| 23:06.41 | wols_ | and your fstab does NOT have /dev/hda in it |
| 23:07.08 | wols_ | and the appent is root=/dev/hdaX your root partition |
| 23:07.37 | wols_ | amd last but not least: why doN't you use grub? |
| 23:08.11 | smacnay | Is there going to be "icedove" lightning or sunbird (calendar progs) in Debian? |
| 23:08.13 | kichik | wols_, my fstab had /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda5 in it. i changed it to sda and re-ran update-initramfs. didn't help |
| 23:08.37 | kichik | wols_, why append? lilo runs and loads the kernel. the problem is with initramfs |
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| 23:08.47 | kichik | wols_, not grub? lilo was installed with debian 2.2 |
| 23:09.03 | wols_ | debian 2.2 is kinda old, don't you think? |
| 23:09.05 | wols_ | what kernel do you run? |
| 23:09.10 | karsten | Suweet! |
| 23:09.18 | kichik | wols_, 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:09.36 | karsten | S |
| 23:09.39 | kichik | wols_, i'm running etch |
| 23:10.30 | wols_ | well, do what I told you |
| 23:10.43 | kichik | wols_, grub? |
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| 23:11.02 | wols_ | no |
| 23:11.10 | wols_ | but it wouldn be bad either |
| 23:11.39 | kichik | wols_, lilo's root=? |
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| 23:12.24 | Deepa | Best way to give www-data access to IPTables? |
| 23:13.22 | kichik | wols_, so what is it that you told me to do? |
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| 23:14.38 | bagoor | How can I play .AMR files ? Is there any codec for xine ? |
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| 23:15.27 | karsten | Suweet! |
| 23:15.36 | karsten | suspend/restore works w/ uswsusp. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426929 |
| 23:15.39 | karsten | asg: I'm an idiot. |
| 23:16.36 | Deepa | How would I give the group iptables permission to run the command iptables? |
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| 23:17.03 | karsten | Deepa: man sudo |
| 23:17.18 | Deepa | I changed my mind on sudo :P |
| 23:17.34 | Deepa | I just want the iptables group to be able to run iptables |
| 23:17.37 | brandon_ | centerirq keeps like closing out of nowhere |
| 23:17.45 | karsten | Deepa: man sudo |
| 23:17.54 | karsten | Deepa: iptables requires root permission. |
| 23:18.10 | karsten | Deepa: There are other options, they're IMO worse. |
| 23:18.18 | wols_ | karsten: we wouldnever dare to disagree with you :) |
| 23:18.21 | Deepa | Could I give the iptables group permission to run sudo iptables without requiring a password? |
| 23:18.30 | karsten | wols_: Feh! |
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| 23:19.35 | karsten | What's a good xrandr tool? |
| 23:19.53 | karsten | Preferably GUI and/or KDE. |
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| 23:20.29 | karsten | xrandr segfaults |
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| 23:21.59 | Greyscale | anyone got any good ATI driver howto's? |
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| 23:23.28 | frank | Greyscale: iirc fglrx is available through m-a |
| 23:23.41 | Greyscale | I tried that |
| 23:23.47 | Greyscale | I screwed something up |
| 23:23.53 | Greyscale | and now I don't know what to do |
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| 23:24.15 | karsten | !tell Greyscale about enter |
| 23:24.39 | frank | sorry, don't have ati and going to bed now |
| 23:26.10 | Deepa | I did a iptables ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL at /etc/sudoers |
| 23:26.28 | Deepa | Where/How do I add www-data to iptables in someway? |
| 23:26.44 | Deepa | or nvm |
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| 23:28.25 | torrr | what does this mean? gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 23:28.26 | karsten | Deepa: man sudoers. '%' for groiups pecs. |
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| 23:28.32 | karsten | s/s pecs/specs/ |
| 23:28.38 | Deepa | ah, thanks |
| 23:28.39 | karsten | torrr: /topic |
| 23:28.43 | Supaplex | !tell torrr -about etch key |
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| 23:29.54 | Entheogen | guys, k3b burns DVD's on 2x even when I set speed do 16x.. what should I do? |
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| 23:29.55 | karsten | Entheogen: plan to spend 8x as long. |
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| 23:30.02 | Entheogen | it can't burn more than 2x... |
| 23:30.15 | Entheogen | i think i should use something with hdparm command, but i don't know what.. :) |
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| 23:30.45 | karsten | Entheogen: man cdrecord. k3b's a front-end to that IIRC, and you can specify options there. |
| 23:30.50 | Supaplex | Entheogen: what does the media support? |
| 23:31.02 | Entheogen | media supports 16x |
| 23:31.07 | torrr | Supaplex, but 'debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version.' |
| 23:31.28 | Supaplex | torrr: are you using all etch repos? all debian? |
| 23:31.45 | torrr | ps. these happen while getting unstable source package |
| 23:31.57 | torrr | Supaplex, what is repos? |
| 23:32.01 | Supaplex | !repo |
| 23:32.06 | Supaplex | repository |
| 23:32.21 | Supaplex | dpkg: repo is repository, where debian package archives are stored |
| 23:32.21 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 23:33.10 | torrr | Supaplex, I think so etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:33.24 | Supaplex | dpkg: no repo is a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored. |
| 23:33.25 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 23:33.43 | dwschool | i have joined the domain, started winbind successfully, tested it good, but when i try and access samba from the lan, it ask for user and pass and it won't let me authenticate with my domain user |
| 23:33.48 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.05 | Supaplex | torrr: I upgraded a sarge box yesterday, and until the dist-upgrade was settled, I said "yes" to insecure packages until the job was done. |
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| 23:34.58 | torrr | Supaplex, so you think its due to etch vs, testing vs unstable? |
| 23:35.11 | torrr | vs sarge? |
| 23:35.21 | Entheogen | karsten, for burning DVD's k3b uses growisofs i think... |
| 23:35.25 | Entheogen | not cdrecord |
| 23:35.28 | Supaplex | torrr: not sure in your case. |
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| 23:36.59 | Deepa | Supaplex: It's inside a shielded enviroment on a server that's got no access to the internet |
| 23:37.02 | Deepa | extreme-beta testing :D |
| 23:37.16 | Deepa | oh and on a sidenote, the results looks like crap... How would I get the linebreaks in there? |
| 23:37.26 | Deepa | gah, wrong channel to ask like that |
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| 23:38.51 | Supaplex | Deepa: just food for thought. :) |
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| 23:44.31 | Deepa | Supaplex: I wouldn't dream of giving www-data root permissions if it really wasnt necessary AND (sorta) safe :) |
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| 23:50.49 | dav_ | elo |
| 23:50.58 | dav_ | how cld i install openoffice in french ? |
| 23:51.08 | dav_ | i can't find the package with the french language |
| 23:51.09 | dav_ | :( |
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| 23:52.15 | en1gma | is there any apps that can extraxt an .exe file |
| 23:52.51 | onikazi | does anyone know how to get encrypted dvds to play on a xandros 4 box? |
| 23:53.26 | onikazi | dav, what system are you using? |
| 23:53.37 | dav_ | knoppix |
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| 23:53.42 | dav_ | hard install |
| 23:53.54 | dav_ | i m looking for the user interface becausench dictionnarye i already have fr |
| 23:54.03 | dav_ | oups |
| 23:54.58 | wols_ | neither xandros nor knoppix is debian |
| 23:55.54 | wols_ | en1gma: exe files are not archives usually. if it is: whatever it was compressed with e.g unzip unrar, etc |
| 23:55.58 | onikazi | I can find the french version on xandros networks, which is similar to app get |
| 23:56.05 | wols_ | !xandros |
| 23:56.06 | dpkg | well, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
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| 23:56.24 | wols_ | onikazi: since it's not debian we cannot support it |
| 23:56.46 | onikazi | I was only asking since it is debian based |
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| 23:56.53 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 23:56.53 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 23:57.25 | onikazi | ok, thanks |
| 23:57.55 | en1gma | wols_ yea your right but this is one of those ones that you can right click (if your in windows with winrar installed) and select extrat here |
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| 23:59.36 | wols_ | en1gma: I told you. if that doesn't work: wrong channel |
