| 00:00.29 | thd | ustunozgur_: thanks I missed my current profile directory and did not find recent dates elsewhere in .mozilla |
| 00:00.41 | Eclipser | dhclient says on ifup "ERROR while getting device flags: No such device" |
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| 00:02.39 | Eclipser | (apparently it's not dhclient which says that but something says that when it tries to bring the interface up) |
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| 00:03.25 | Eclipser | ok wtf |
| 00:03.29 | h3sp4wn | xlotlu: /etc/environment is sourced by pam (see /etc/pam.d/login) which is why its safer than /etc/profile (at least tcsh and zsh don't touch /etc/profile) |
| 00:03.37 | Eclipser | my eth1 seems to be named "eth1_rename_ren"... |
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| 00:03.42 | Eclipser | ..... |
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| 00:05.34 | xlotlu | h3sp4wn: then i take it i don't need to source it from /etc/profile, and that also explains why i don't my new env var in any shell (would neeed to log-out/in) |
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| 00:05.59 | xlotlu | s/don't my new/don't get my new/ |
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| 00:08.40 | Alarm | hello . i wanted to upgrade the packages on the system , and i saw those here: linux-headers-2.6.18-4 linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686, linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 . |
| 00:08.56 | Alarm | the point is when i see my kernel version i get alarm@rockpc:~$ uname -r |
| 00:08.57 | Alarm | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:09.05 | Alarm | whats the point of upgrading then ? dont get it |
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| 00:09.53 | abrotman | Alarm: security |
| 00:10.11 | Alarm | thought that linux-image is the kernel package |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | it is |
| 00:11.09 | nzk | I enabled ssh but for some reason 'ifconfig' doesn't work |
| 00:11.11 | Alarm | well, so i install the same kernel like that |
| 00:11.20 | nzk | and doing a broadcast ping wont show the computer |
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| 00:11.30 | nzk | after i turned my computer off |
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| 00:12.55 | Eclipser | I wonder how this thing decides which route to take to connect to somewhere now.. |
| 00:13.17 | Alarm | so ? anyone giving me a complete answer |
| 00:14.15 | abrotman | Alarm: yes .. it's a security update |
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| 00:15.34 | _Rubyxx | what program runs software in debian? |
| 00:15.52 | Alarm | u know what i understand from that ? i got kopete version 1.0 on my system, but i installed again v1.0 cause it gots some updates , thats what u are telling me. if there are any updates it would be 1.1 |
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| 00:18.38 | bruno-cassol | is there a tutorial for installing java plugin on debian etch browsers epiphany an iceweasel? i tried the ubuntu tutorial but it didn't worked. =( |
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| 00:20.04 | abrotman | apt-cache search sun java plugin |
| 00:20.07 | abrotman | install that package |
| 00:20.48 | bruno-cassol | returned nothing |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | Alarm: the number you're seeing is the ABI number for the kernel .. if you actually look into the package a bit .. you'll see the number has been incremented .. see security.debian.org for the security release |
| 00:21.39 | abrotman | bruno-cassol: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 00:22.11 | Alarm | okie thank you a lot. thats a complete answer :) |
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| 00:22.40 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: try update-java-alternatives |
| 00:23.05 | ustunozgur_ | after installing sun-java5 jre and plugin of course. |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | Alarm: also .. you'd be wise to subscribe to the security alerts .. in one form or another |
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| 00:23.50 | Eclipser | now to figure out how to properly route stuff... |
| 00:24.03 | abrotman | Eclipser: put down a sugar trail .. |
| 00:24.19 | drwahl_ | I have a Rage 128 and I am interested in getting 3D acceleration. Is there any 3D accel. in the flgrx driver? |
| 00:24.31 | Eclipser | is there any nice tutorial to read for configuring how to route and such (I specifically want to route ports 22 and 80 through my faster interface and the rest through the other) |
| 00:24.47 | Eclipser | also some subnets should go through the faster one :< |
| 00:24.48 | abrotman | drwahl_: i don't think that card can |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | drwahl_: man r128 |
| 00:25.20 | drwahl_ | uhg, that is what i have been finding (via google), but was hoping that the data was old |
| 00:25.26 | drwahl_ | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 00:25.47 | abrotman | drwahl_: i think that card is from 1997? :) |
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| 00:30.03 | unlink | how do i log incoming emails to courier? |
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| 00:31.33 | abrotman | unlink: what do you mean 'log' ? |
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| 00:32.55 | _Rubyxx | I updated my JRE version from version 5 update 9 to version 6 update 1 ...now it seems to require a sh command to start. How do I do this? |
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| 00:34.14 | unlink | abrotman: just state that they were received |
| 00:34.32 | _Rubyxx | I mean for a newly installed programme |
| 00:34.35 | smtlaissezfaire | I'm having problems with a2enmod, which is telling me that "This module does not exist!" |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | have you looked in /var/log/mail.* ? |
| 00:34.55 | ustunozgur_ | _Rubyxx: how do you do what? |
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| 00:35.32 | smtlaissezfaire | I'm typing "sudo a2enmod ssl" - ssl comes as a standard module in the apt-get apache2 module |
| 00:35.37 | _Rubyxx | What is the sh command to run a program |
| 00:35.42 | _Rubyxx | ? |
| 00:35.58 | smtlaissezfaire | Rubyxx: sh is the shell |
| 00:36.13 | smtlaissezfaire | \/bin\/sh |
| 00:36.17 | smtlaissezfaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.40 | ustunozgur_ | to run a java program? |
| 00:36.43 | smtlaissezfaire | usually, though /bin/sh is symlinked to bash |
| 00:37.20 | _Rubyxx | No! to run software I newly installed that relies on JRE |
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| 00:38.16 | _Rubyxx | I am used to running it with a mouse click,,,but that doesn't work anymore due to the new installation of JRE |
| 00:38.31 | ustunozgur_ | did you update alternatives? |
| 00:38.38 | _Rubyxx | no |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | smtlaissezfaire: what if you try as actual root ? |
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| 00:39.03 | ustunozgur_ | then do so. update-java-alternatives is the command. |
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| 00:39.21 | bruno-cassol | i installed jre 6.1 followig sun's manual and put into /usr/lib/java32.. i then created a symbolic link for the "libjava**.so" that resides in "usr/lib/java32/plugin/i386/..." and created that link in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ ... now when i enter a java website it does not ask me to install the plugin but it shows just white blank squares.. can anyone help me? |
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| 00:39.52 | _Rubyxx | ok! all one word? |
| 00:39.54 | ustunozgur_ | oh that's ugly. |
| 00:40.01 | bruno-cassol | =( |
| 00:40.02 | abrotman | bruno-cassol: ask #java |
| 00:40.08 | ustunozgur_ | _Rubyxx: yes |
| 00:40.32 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: you shouldn't have done so. Instead use the java-package to make a deb package and install it. |
| 00:41.29 | bruno-cassol | ustunozgur_: are you in a good mood to help me? plz pvt msg me and lets get it done! |
| 00:41.34 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: "update-java-alternatives -l" lists your options (the left column). "update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun" changes the defauly java env. |
| 00:41.55 | ustunozgur_ | where java-6-sun is one of the outputs. |
| 00:42.29 | gpm | why can i telnet port 80 (apache works) but not port 25? i'm sure the mta is running and i can send messages to remote servers just fine. local delivery also works. for some reason though, i can't telnet port 25 _and_ i can't recieve messages from remote servers...any clues? |
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| 00:42.59 | abrotman | gpm: it's not listening on an external interface |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | gpm: what's the smtp server ? |
| 00:43.20 | gpm | sendmail |
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| 00:45.28 | unlink | abrotman: that doesn't get logged there |
| 00:45.38 | bruno-cassol | ustunozgur_: when i do update-java-alternatives it outputs: awk: cannot open /usr/lib/jvm/*.jinfo (No such file or directory) and then it outputs a list of all my files and folders in ~/ very strange |
| 00:45.51 | abrotman | unlink: what doesn't ? |
| 00:45.51 | gpm | abrotman: is this something i should be able to fix in sendmail config? |
| 00:46.05 | gpm | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 00:46.16 | gpm | or is it a router/firewall? |
| 00:46.29 | abrotman | are you actually using sendmail ? |
| 00:46.29 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:46.42 | enouf | bruno-cassol: do it as as root |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:47.36 | gpm | i want to get to know it |
| 00:47.36 | abrotman | gpm: anyways .. your ISP might be blocking |
| 00:47.38 | gpm | usually i just use exim |
| 00:47.48 | gpm | abrotman: yeah, but outgoing works...is that not affected? or is it a different port? |
| 00:47.49 | bruno-cassol | enouf: i am doing =( sudo update-java-alternatives -l |
| 00:47.49 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: which java packages have you installed so far= |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | gpm: not affected |
| 00:48.17 | gpm | fucking att |
| 00:48.18 | gpm | it probably is |
| 00:48.18 | gpm | i requested they undo that shit |
| 00:48.18 | gpm | assholes |
| 00:48.18 | abrotman | gpm: is it the IP you're connecting from now ? |
| 00:48.20 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | connection refused |
| 00:48.21 | abrotman | so somewhere between me and your server .. either the port is blocked .. or your smtp server isn't running at all |
| 00:48.21 | gpm | you were trying to telnet? |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | yep |
| 00:48.22 | gpm | yeah, i bet it's the port |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | is the mail server on an internal lan ? |
| 00:48.23 | gpm | i'm positive the server's running |
| 00:48.23 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:48.23 | gpm | but the port's forwarded |
| 00:48.23 | gpm | 25 is i mean |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | so try to telnet internal-IP 25 from another internal box |
| 00:48.24 | gpm | i could just have it use 587, but that's a whole other level |
| 00:48.24 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: install debian's sun-java packages first. Then, do the alternatives stuff. |
| 00:48.25 | gpm | oh snap |
| 00:48.25 | gpm | connection refused |
| 00:48.25 | bruno-cassol | ustunozgur_: gcj, jig, jamvm, and manually installed sun's java 6 |
| 00:48.26 | gpm | so the server isn't listening? |
| 00:48.26 | abrotman | so either it's not on 25 .. or it's not listening |
| 00:48.26 | gpm | it has to be running if it's sending |
| 00:48.26 | gpm | weird. |
| 00:48.27 | gpm | ok |
| 00:48.34 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: install debian's sun java first. |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | it can be running but not listening |
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| 00:48.38 | ustunozgur_ | _Rubyxx: any luck with it? |
| 00:48.42 | bruno-cassol | ustunozgur_: how? |
| 00:48.47 | _Rubyxx | ustunozgur: it did not work...yhe bash only gave me usage options for the update-java-alternatives...which is another matter...I was hoping to try the bash instructions for running the program first, b4 digging deeper |
| 00:49.05 | _Rubyxx | the |
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| 00:49.36 | ustunozgur_ | _Rubyxx: "update-java-alternatives -l" lists your options (the left column). "update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun" changes the defauly java env. |
| 00:49.53 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: apt-get , but you must have non-free repositories. |
| 00:50.00 | boitono | I have a 5 drive raid 5 array, sda1, b1, c1 ... I moved this array to another machine now it's recognizing the array on the drives, not the partitions, any ideas? |
| 00:50.12 | cusco | its probably listening on localhost only gpm |
| 00:50.16 | cusco | try to telnet from localhost |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | he said that works |
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| 00:52.57 | bruno-cassol | ustunozgur_: ok i will go after non-free repositories and install java re 6.. thnx |
| 00:53.18 | ustunozgur_ | you're welcome. |
| 00:53.31 | _Rubyxx | ustunozgur_: I installed the new software in my home directory so I got the bash reply---- file does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/.jre.jinfo |
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| 00:54.20 | _Rubyxx | jre is in my home directory |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | the non-free i mentioned .. awhile ago ? |
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| 00:55.18 | ustunozgur_ | _Rubyxx: is there a special reason you installed it there? don't you have root access? |
| 00:55.51 | smtlaissezfaire | Would anyone in here know about a2enmod bugs? |
| 00:56.15 | ustunozgur_ | and did you manually install java too? |
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| 00:56.42 | abrotman | nvz: noogie .. not nookie |
| 00:56.44 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 00:57.00 | quik_ | when I type a large amount of commands I get "sh: line 1: /usr/bin/scp: Input/output error" |
| 00:57.02 | nvz | abrotman: heh. |
| 00:57.11 | quik_ | (that was for scp to that debian server) |
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| 00:57.26 | _Rubyxx | ustunozgur: I do have root access, but I wanted to differentiate Debian software from my own...so I try to install all personal add-ons in my home directory |
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| 00:57.52 | quik_ | is there any particular reason for this? |
| 00:58.04 | ustunozgur_ | _Rubyxx: and java? in your home dir? |
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| 00:58.23 | quik_ | eg: when I log in over ssh => -bash: /etc/profile: Input/output error |
| 00:58.47 | bruno-cassol | abrotman: thank you abrotman for telling me about non-free solutiion to java.. i insisted in free alternatives to java when you told me to try non-free but i gave up now.. thank you for your great support |
| 00:59.14 | smtlaissezfaire | Is anyone familiar with apache2 bugs for the newest debian or ubuntu release? |
| 00:59.27 | abrotman | bruno-cassol: have you tried the free ones (they don't always work so well) |
| 00:59.28 | ustunozgur_ | bruno-cassol: sun's java is going open, so you shouldn't be so concerned. |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | and i have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you |
| 00:59.46 | nvz | smtlaissezfaire: bugs for debian's apache2 would be on bugs.debian.org and ubuntu is off-topic |
| 00:59.46 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:00.05 | smtlaissezfaire | nvz: alright, I'll search there. |
| 01:00.24 | smtlaissezfaire | Actually I'm running ubuntu, but I figure that many bugs are going to be shared... |
| 01:00.30 | bruno-cassol | :) lol guys... i will go sun's for now |
| 01:00.38 | _Rubyxx | ustunozgur: JRE in my home directory, but I managed to configure firefox to access it. Unfortunately the original software program that installed JRE version 5 can't |
| 01:00.44 | _Rubyxx | is |
| 01:00.47 | bruno-cassol | errrrr.. ubuntu user detected.. alert alert |
| 01:01.04 | nvz | smtlaissezfaire: possibly |
| 01:01.11 | smtlaissezfaire | ha |
| 01:01.17 | bruno-cassol | =) |
| 01:01.30 | smtlaissezfaire | No - it's worse. I'm an OS X user! (mouths drop) |
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| 01:01.54 | abrotman | smtlaissezfaire: but you should check the ubuntu bug tracker .. and ask #ubuntu for support |
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| 01:02.28 | ustunozgur_ | _Rubyxx: hmm, so you should go with defining env variables then, but unfortunately I don't know how. Try googling. |
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| 01:02.41 | _Rubyxx | ok |
| 01:02.55 | lfs | After various experiments, you cant install grub on a usb memory disk |
| 01:02.58 | alexander1 | export VAR="VALUE" |
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| 01:03.05 | abrotman | lfs: did you ask #grub ? |
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| 01:03.18 | lfs | IS there such a thing |
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| 01:03.34 | quik_ | abrotman: Input / output error generally referrers to stdin/out issues? |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | quik_: i've never seen that error |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | lfs: try it and see |
| 01:03.50 | ustunozgur_ | alexander1: NO, I mean the names of the variables and so on. |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | quik_: anything in the bts ? |
| 01:04.05 | quik_ | bts? |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:05.16 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:06.15 | _Rubyxx | ustunozgur: But I think we may have missed the crux of the issue here...how do I run a program in my home directory using the sh command in bash?....I have to try that 1st b4 I can be sure there is a problem. |
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| 01:07.47 | lfs | type sh |
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| 01:08.34 | _Rubyxx | lfs: then ,/ ? |
| 01:08.40 | _Rubyxx | ./ |
| 01:08.55 | efaistos | do you know why a eth0 interface increase its number at every reboot ? |
| 01:09.36 | quik_ | abrotman: unfortunatly it appears to happen with every command, for every user |
| 01:09.37 | stew | bzed: dcom? like distributed component object modem? |
| 01:09.38 | smtlaissezfaire | thanks abrotman and nvz. Take care. |
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| 01:10.04 | ustunozgur_ | sh -c emacs for example. |
| 01:10.24 | ustunozgur_ | but in your case, a script would be better I think. |
| 01:10.31 | efaistos | no idea ? |
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| 01:10.38 | ustunozgur_ | since you will export a great many variables. |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | quik_: uhm .. that's not good |
| 01:10.57 | quik_ | abrotman: mmm. |
| 01:11.06 | lfs | WHat are you trying to do? |
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| 01:12.01 | quik_ | abrotman: http://pastie.caboo.se/62247 |
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| 01:12.16 | rosaschwarzenbac | are there anysites to download a driver for mustek bearpaw 2400 TA scanner |
| 01:12.31 | abrotman | quik_: anything interesting in the syslog or messages ? |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | in /var/log/ |
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| 01:14.07 | quik_ | ugh, can't remember the root password and sudo throws the same error.. |
| 01:14.13 | bzed | stew: The Distributed Component Object Model |
| 01:14.15 | efaistos | do you know why a eth0 interface increase its number at every reboot ? apparently now it's eth8 |
| 01:14.38 | bzed | stew: the hole for all the worms and stuff in windows ;) |
| 01:15.08 | dvs | bzed: Why? Microsoft actually didn't get the security right? ;-) |
| 01:15.44 | bzed | dvs: remember Blaster? it used dcom to spread ;) |
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| 01:17.42 | quik_ | abrotman: May 6 01:31:02 montecore kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x10000 |
| 01:17.55 | abrotman | anything else ? |
| 01:18.16 | quik_ | nah, just the hourly cron job |
| 01:18.21 | efaistos | abrotman: any idea for the incrementation of my eth0 interface ? |
| 01:18.22 | quik_ | May 5 22:17:01 montecore /USR/SBIN/CRON[5371]: (root) CMD ( run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | efaistos: udev hates you |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | quik_: that's not important :) |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | quik_: that's just cron doing its work |
| 01:18.52 | quik_ | didn't think so |
| 01:18.55 | quik_ | yeah |
| 01:19.49 | quik_ | egh -bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Input/output error |
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| 01:20.01 | quik_ | can't really do anything on this system..1 |
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| 01:21.40 | abrotman | quik_: either you've messed up libraries on the system .. or it's dying |
| 01:21.48 | quik_ | harddrives? |
| 01:22.00 | quik_ | abrotman: it just 'went bad' |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | that's under "dying" :) |
| 01:22.11 | quik_ | mm, yes |
| 01:22.18 | quik_ | vundabah! |
| 01:22.27 | dvs | heh |
| 01:22.54 | quik_ | "meeting dying /backup failover/ machine" .... *silence* |
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| 01:23.11 | quik_ | meet* |
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| 01:24.34 | abrotman | quik_: is it really your backup box ? |
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| 01:31.01 | quik_ | abrotman: yes, really |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | i guess that's good |
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| 01:31.13 | quik_ | the harddrive in question is the system harddrive |
| 01:31.23 | quik_ | grub: error 21 |
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| 01:32.22 | quik_ | it means I have a real reason to get the hardware upgradesd |
| 01:32.25 | quik_ | upgraded |
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| 01:37.30 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 01:38.11 | |Slurpee| | what is the easiest way to setup a kick start server ? |
| 01:38.12 | rxKaffee | is it default behavior in Etch to allow su to users not in wheel group? |
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| 01:38.15 | Miles_Prower | holy ungodly hell. |
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| 01:38.40 | rxKaffee | I don't even have a wheel group in /etc/groups, and it seems all users can su to root |
| 01:38.40 | Miles_Prower | I just set up this system on an athlon64 3400+, last one was a P4 HT 3.0ghz |
| 01:38.42 | Miles_Prower | this is so much faster. |
| 01:38.45 | Miles_Prower | @.@ |
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| 01:39.01 | Azar | rxKaffee: such behavior has been promoted by BSD teams and I guess by Debian as well citing "wheel" group as unsafe |
| 01:39.02 | Skrot- | Hi, does anyone know how I can make sure a script only runs as one instance at any given time? |
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| 01:39.28 | Skrot- | Bash script btw |
| 01:39.43 | rxKaffee | Azar: whats so unsafe about the wheel group thats made safer by allowing evoryone to su root? |
| 01:39.43 | Azar | rxKaffee: I would guess only knowing the root pass would allow anyone to access root via su |
| 01:39.52 | rxKaffee | Azar: yes, that is true |
| 01:40.11 | Azar | rxKaffee: no wonder: change the root pass and don't share it with all other users |
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| 01:40.44 | rxKaffee | Azar: of course... it just seemed less secure to allow everyone who knows the password to su, whereas previously, only people who know the password AND are in wheel could |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | Azar: there's a pam_wheel |
| 01:41.09 | Azar | rxKaffee: NOBODY but the owner of the box should know/use the root password. |
| 01:41.22 | Azar | abrotman: yes, thanks for reminding me :) |
| 01:41.37 | rxKaffee | oh nevermind |
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| 01:42.03 | Azar | "most security breaches happen because of users neglect" |
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| 01:48.15 | DawnLight | does anyone know whether the apache2 php5 module has multibyte enabled? where can i find out? |
| 01:48.23 | Miles_Prower_ | cpufreq: does it require kernel recompilation as stock does not enable for AMD64? |
| 01:48.35 | Miles_Prower_ | or, how to enable |
| 01:48.44 | kramed_ | anyone else having problems with python 2.4.4-5 on sid. update came today |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | it should already be there |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | kramed_: bts say anything ? |
| 01:49.11 | kramed_ | what is bts |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:49.17 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:49.18 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:49.37 | kramed_ | thank you |
| 01:49.41 | Miles_Prower | oops, other one had issue |
| 01:53.17 | kramed_ | bloody hell. no listing. doh |
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| 01:53.54 | kramed_ | ahh there it is nevermind |
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| 01:58.11 | Sebboh | Hi. Where's the log for this: "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"? |
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| 01:59.03 | Deepa | I'm using amarok and xine |
| 01:59.06 | Deepa | Trying to get audio |
| 01:59.34 | Deepa | But it claims it cannot is unable to initalize any audio drivers. |
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| 02:00.22 | rxKaffee | Deepa: got alsa installed? |
| 02:00.32 | Deepa | nvm, How do I mount a NTFS HDD so that any user can read from it? |
| 02:00.40 | Sebboh | Deepa: For future reference, your questions will be easier to read and understand if you put them all on one line. ..Nobody was talking right then, so it worked out ok.. =) |
| 02:00.43 | Deepa | Just noticed I was running amarok as root :p |
| 02:01.20 | Deepa | Sebboh: I was trying to think up what to say WHILE saying it XD |
| 02:01.25 | Azar | hmm the bts advise old subscribers to subscribe again.. |
| 02:02.10 | Sebboh | You sure were! :D |
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| 02:03.07 | Deepa | Just doing a "mount /dev/hdd1 /home/hdd1/" only lets root read files from it :/ |
| 02:03.29 | Deepa | I want the user deepa to be able to read too |
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| 02:04.18 | georgy28 | deepa : try mount rw .... |
| 02:05.19 | Deepa | Its a NTFS HDD, Dont want to write |
| 02:05.37 | georgy28 | deepa : ok |
| 02:07.10 | Deepa | mount -r /dev/hdd1 /home/hdd1 still doesnt let the user deepa read the content |
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| 02:07.57 | georgy28 | deepa : and if you put it in /etc/fstab ? |
| 02:08.08 | Miles_Prower | Recompiling kernel: make xconfig fails due to not finding QT. QT is installed, latest version. |
| 02:08.09 | Deepa | my user? |
| 02:08.22 | Miles_Prower | QTDIR environment var not set. How do I set it? |
| 02:08.30 | Deepa | what type should I set it to? |
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| 02:08.41 | georgy28 | Deepa : no, the mount command |
| 02:08.53 | georgy28 | Deepa : wait a second |
| 02:09.07 | Deepa | should I put "mount -r /dev/hdd1 /home/hdd1" into /etc/fstab o0? |
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| 02:10.13 | lepton | Deepa: one puts mount options in fstab |
| 02:10.23 | georgy28 | Deepa : /dev/hdd1 /home/hdd1 ntfs user,auto 0 0 and then a new empty line |
| 02:10.48 | georgy28 | Deepa : then it shoukd mount at start up |
| 02:11.07 | georgy28 | *should |
| 02:11.16 | Deepa | I cant just do a /etc/init.d/fstab restart :P? |
| 02:11.43 | lepton | Deepa: how about 'sudo mount /dev/hdd1' |
| 02:12.00 | georgy28 | Deepa : no, you can't |
| 02:12.12 | Deepa | no sudo available for any user |
| 02:12.29 | lepton | Deepa: mount needs to run as root |
| 02:12.45 | Deepa | Meant to point out that I do not use sudo |
| 02:12.57 | lepton | fine |
| 02:13.53 | Deepa | I really have to reboot :(? |
| 02:14.01 | Deepa | I got another 64 hours of backupping to do |
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| 02:15.07 | lepton | Deepa: reboot to do what? |
| 02:15.20 | Deepa | for fstab to automount it for me |
| 02:15.29 | lepton | mount -a |
| 02:15.45 | Deepa | You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "hdd1". |
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| 02:21.19 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 02:21.20 | dpkg | [qotd129] <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
| 02:21.20 | Deepa | XD |
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| 02:21.55 | Deepa | I got winXP AND debian |
| 02:21.55 | Sebboh | Didn't do that either. |
| 02:21.56 | Deepa | Tho I got files at my XP partition I want to access |
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| 02:21.57 | mystic_source | do you guys use compiz and beryl in debian? |
| 02:21.57 | Sebboh | Deepa, uh, my scrollbuffer was too short to follow your conversation, but, regarding non-priveledged access to NTFS partitions, I use FUSE plus the NTFS-3g thing. |
| 02:21.58 | stoned | !tell mystic_source -about ask |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian |
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| 02:21.59 | Sebboh | mystic_source: yes and no. compiz recently became part of the default -- oh, I thought that that was the question. =P |
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| 02:22.21 | stoned | work was great today |
| 02:22.26 | Sebboh | Sorry if someone answered this before and I missed it, but, where's the log for this: "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"? |
| 02:22.26 | stoned | I took like 10 20 minute breaks |
| 02:22.34 | abrotman | no log |
| 02:22.43 | Deepa | Sebboh: How does one use fuse? |
| 02:22.48 | Deepa | similiar to mount? |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | Deepa: use a penny instead! |
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| 02:23.02 | Sebboh | deepa, apt-cache search ntfs 3g |
| 02:23.23 | Sebboh | abrotman: or foil from a piece of chewing gum! |
| 02:23.27 | Deepa | no results |
| 02:23.41 | Sebboh | Deepa: apt-cache search ntfs|grep -i 3g |
| 02:23.49 | stoned | !ntfs-3g |
| 02:23.49 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 02:23.50 | Sebboh | install that. it should depend on the fuse stuff. |
| 02:24.00 | abrotman | Sebboh: now .. i'm not sure .. but isn't there paper on those now ? |
| 02:24.01 | stoned | what are you doing? |
| 02:24.10 | stoned | you need rw support on ntfs? |
| 02:24.17 | Sebboh | abrotman: as if the penny wouldn't cause fire, too. |
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| 02:24.24 | stoned | only enable rw if you don't mind losing your data |
| 02:24.36 | Deepa | I ONLY want R! :P |
| 02:24.41 | stoned | then you don't need this |
| 02:24.48 | stoned | use the linux ntfs module |
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| 02:24.54 | abrotman | uhm .. what temperature do you think it would take to light a penny up .. compared to paper ? |
| 02:24.56 | Deepa | *how*? |
| 02:25.00 | stoned | mount -t ntfs |
| 02:25.03 | stoned | man mount |
| 02:25.04 | Deepa | ah thanks |
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| 02:25.06 | enouf | Deepa: ntfsprogs? |
| 02:25.14 | stoned | !ntfs |
| 02:25.14 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 02:25.28 | Sebboh | stoned: he needs non-priveledged user access.. And, what's wrong with ntfs-3g? I've never had data loss. I did have a filename created that contained characters not legal in winxp.. Had to go back into linux to delete it. |
| 02:26.02 | Deepa | I dont want write :P |
| 02:26.07 | stoned | Deepa: smart man |
| 02:26.24 | Deepa | But I want a unprivileged user to be able to access the files |
| 02:26.32 | stoned | read the above factoid |
| 02:26.35 | enouf | Sebboh: check bts about that |
| 02:26.44 | Deepa | ah |
| 02:27.01 | Sebboh | abrotman: a temperature less than that which will occur when you stick a penny where a fuse goes. I can't quantify that.. But that's a good ballpark, I'd say. =) |
| 02:27.04 | mystic_source | Sebboh but if it is default ... is because this shoud work allready don`t lol |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | Sebboh: i bet not! |
| 02:27.28 | Sebboh | abrotman: what do you mean no log? How do I see what is causing the post install script to fail? |
| 02:27.53 | abrotman | Sebboh: first admit the penny won't ignite before the paper! |
| 02:27.53 | Sebboh | abrotman: I've got breakers these days. Good! |
| 02:28.10 | Sebboh | Not before the paper? Yes. Done. =) |
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| 02:28.33 | Sebboh | The paper will burn up first. |
| 02:28.35 | mystic_source | stoned i was asking just curious becausse i can`t install this here ... |
| 02:28.41 | kramed_ | is there no apt-get or aptitude command to revert to previous packages |
| 02:28.41 | uzer_ | using debian stable, if i want to change my boot device to a md, what steps do i need to take? |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | Sebboh: put a 'set -x' at the top (after the shebang) of the postinst script(in /var/lib/dpkg/info/) for the package you're trying to install |
| 02:29.07 | Deepa | Its working, Thanks :D |
| 02:29.12 | Sebboh | set -x makes it echo? |
| 02:29.16 | Deepa | Now I just need a way to find my other 3 NTFS partitions |
| 02:29.50 | stoned | wtf |
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| 02:29.55 | abrotman | Sebboh: man bash would explain it |
| 02:29.57 | stoned | damn xming |
| 02:30.06 | stoned | mystic_source: /msg dpkg beryl |
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| 02:31.01 | Azar | mister stoned! |
| 02:31.02 | DawnLight | does anyone know whether the apache2 php5 module has multibyte enabled? where can i find out? |
| 02:31.20 | mystic_source | stoned i have allready try this beford and don`t work |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | in the source package .. in the rules file .. or ask the maintainer |
| 02:31.41 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:31.44 | stoned | beryl isn't officially supported by debian |
| 02:31.50 | stoned | mystic_source: try #beryl |
| 02:32.20 | Azar | sure is not! :) and I'm going to use ogg instead of mp3 |
| 02:32.22 | mystic_source | stoned no thanks you |
| 02:32.38 | alexander1 | is there a way to force visudo to use vi, rather than nano, without having to precide every call with EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi ? |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | alexander1: update-alternatives |
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| 02:33.12 | alexander1 | ty |
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| 02:33.48 | mystic_source | bether more later |
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| 02:34.01 | Azar | what up stoned?.. I been away got root canal surgery couldn't speak on irc much |
| 02:34.49 | Deepa | Is there anyway to list all devices that are ntfs and all devices that are ext3? |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | 'mount' ? |
| 02:35.21 | Deepa | Well all of them arent mounted |
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| 02:35.41 | abrotman | fdisk -l <device> |
| 02:35.48 | Deepa | thanks :D |
| 02:36.46 | Deepa | a fdisk -l /dev/* cant do any physical harm can it? |
| 02:37.12 | abrotman | i wouldn't try it |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | maybe fdisk -l /dev/sd? ? |
| 02:37.52 | Deepa | I found /dev/hdd1 again tho |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | had you lost it ? |
| 02:38.31 | Deepa | Nope :P |
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| 02:38.50 | stoned | Azar: hi |
| 02:38.52 | Deepa | FAT32, Probaly my ipod |
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| 02:39.21 | stoned | Azar: some dude wants help, I try to help, then he says no thanks. What a 'tard. |
| 02:39.30 | stoned | I'm gonna go eat dinner and watch a movie, later bro. |
| 02:40.19 | Deepa | Ah well, I had a part of my music collection on that HDD, I'll just go to bed now and look at the problem tomorrow, with renewed energy |
| 02:40.27 | Deepa | Thanks alot for the help :) |
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| 02:48.57 | Azar | stoned: ok, me too.. |
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| 02:49.18 | Azar | sweet evening mister abrotman :) |
| 02:49.23 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:49.26 | abrotman | bye |
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| 02:50.25 | lfs | gcc is the best disassembler? |
| 02:51.15 | beardy | Apples are found in the ground? |
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| 02:51.33 | beardy | !best |
| 02:51.33 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:51.43 | beardy | mister evening sweet abrotman |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 02:51.49 | lfs | Are there any others? |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | lfs: apt-cache search ? |
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| 02:53.26 | Deepa | errm, quick question :P |
| 02:53.36 | Deepa | What devicename would my iPod probaly get? |
| 02:53.38 | Deepa | Its connected thru USB |
| 02:53.52 | CaT[tm] | then next sd device in line |
| 02:53.52 | beardy | !usb storage |
| 02:53.53 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 02:55.56 | Deepa | on a fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 02:55.57 | Deepa | /dev/sda1 1 5 40131 0 Empty |
| 02:55.57 | Deepa | /dev/sda2 6 497 3951990 b W95 FAT32 |
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| 02:56.22 | Deepa | SDA2 is my iPod isnt it? |
| 02:56.33 | CaT[tm] | that's where your data is |
| 02:56.34 | beardy | Lets hope so yes. |
| 02:56.53 | Deepa | tho I cant mount it |
| 02:56.57 | dwighta | is there a list of scanners that work in debian |
| 02:56.59 | Deepa | Can I check where it probaly is mounted? |
| 02:57.06 | beardy | !scanner |
| 02:57.06 | dpkg | i heard scanner is a device used to copy an image from a physical source (e.g., photograph) into a computer. Also, ask me about sane, or see http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html for supported devices. |
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| 02:57.10 | tarzeau | Deepa: can't you use the ipod utils? |
| 02:57.27 | beardy | Deepa: 'mount' |
| 02:57.28 | Deepa | Ow I want to access it like a HDD |
| 02:57.33 | Deepa | It serves both purposes |
| 02:57.40 | Deepa | beardy: its not in fstab |
| 02:57.41 | CaT[tm] | so umm... mount it? |
| 02:57.50 | beardy | Deepa: So? |
| 02:58.01 | CaT[tm] | man mount and be happy |
| 02:58.03 | Deepa | ow like that |
| 02:58.35 | beardy | You can't access your music, since iPod are crap. |
| 02:58.38 | Deepa | nope no sda there |
| 02:58.42 | Deepa | I can, Ive done it before |
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| 02:58.55 | beardy | Well, do it then and stop whining. |
| 02:59.04 | Deepa | Its just to mount it |
| 02:59.12 | beardy | So? |
| 02:59.16 | Deepa | Tho I cant find it |
| 02:59.23 | CaT[tm] | deepa: read the man page for mount |
| 02:59.41 | beardy | (You can't though.) |
| 02:59.49 | Deepa | CaT[tm]: I got stuck at a is already mounted or xyz is busy |
| 02:59.53 | CaT[tm] | beardy: not relevant. |
| 03:00.10 | CaT[tm] | deepa: does it show up in df? or /proc/mounts |
| 03:00.24 | beardy | CaT[tm]: It is sicne he claimed the opposite when I am quite sure about that I am right. |
| 03:00.34 | Deepa | not in any of them |
| 03:00.42 | Deepa | beardy: Its fully possible to do, I just dont know how to |
| 03:00.44 | CaT[tm] | deepa: how are you using mount? |
| 03:00.55 | beardy | Deepa: Who said it wasn't possible? |
| 03:01.04 | Deepa | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /home/ipod |
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| 03:01.07 | beardy | Deepa: You wont just by mounting it. |
| 03:01.16 | CaT[tm] | deepa: you don't mount the entire hd |
| 03:01.23 | CaT[tm] | deepa: you just mount the partition involved. |
| 03:01.35 | Deepa | I tried using sda, sda1 and sda2 |
| 03:01.37 | Deepa | same result |
| 03:01.56 | CaT[tm] | does /home/ipod exist? |
| 03:02.01 | Deepa | yes |
| 03:02.11 | CaT[tm] | doing this as root? |
| 03:02.16 | Deepa | yes |
| 03:02.19 | CaT[tm] | hrm. |
| 03:02.36 | CaT[tm] | weird :) |
| 03:03.05 | lfs | Be careful with that |
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| 03:03.36 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:03.37 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
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| 03:03.56 | CaT[tm] | gone fooding. |
| 03:04.00 | Deepa | woo! |
| 03:04.00 | Deepa | toastmaster4800:/media/DEEPYS IPOD# ls |
| 03:04.00 | Deepa | BOOTEX.LOG Calendars Contacts FOUND.000 iPod_Control Notes |
| 03:04.10 | Deepa | possible. |
| 03:04.13 | CaT[tm] | there you go. :) |
| 03:04.18 | beardy | Deepa: Show me the music. |
| 03:04.30 | beardy | Deepa: You just don't listen, do you? |
| 03:04.33 | CaT[tm] | oh for the love of god |
| 03:04.36 | Deepa | toastmaster4800:/media/DEEPYS IPOD/iPod_Control/Music/F00# ls |
| 03:04.37 | Deepa | 04 Down In The Past.mp3 HYSS.m4a OVMJ.mp3 |
| 03:04.40 | Deepa | You just dont know do you? |
| 03:05.04 | CaT[tm] | hehe |
| 03:05.07 | beardy | And those are playable? |
| 03:05.12 | Deepa | They are fully playable |
| 03:05.20 | CaT[tm] | also, you could point an mp3 player at it and as long as it does id3 tags you're sweet. |
| 03:05.21 | Deepa | ID3 tags are preserved too |
| 03:05.21 | beardy | !mhallsmite CaT[tm] |
| 03:05.41 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.54 | Deepa | I'd say that before you go all negative and rude claiming that something wont work |
| 03:06.01 | Deepa | You should have extensive knowledge about the subject |
| 03:06.16 | beardy | Deepa: Like how to use mount. |
| 03:06.18 | \amethyst | Deepa: you might want to look at gtkpod |
| 03:06.32 | CaT[tm] | gtkpod++ |
| 03:06.33 | Deepa | \amethyst: Since the ID3 tags are preserved, It works great in amaroK |
| 03:06.39 | pickcoder | just don't toast the HDD |
| 03:06.41 | Deepa | beardy: I'm no good at mounting |
| 03:06.42 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 03:06.49 | Deepa | But you claimed that what I was trying to do would not work |
| 03:06.49 | \amethyst | Deepa: gtkpod can update the itunes db to add more music :) |
| 03:06.50 | Deepa | And it did |
| 03:07.01 | Deepa | \amethyst: yamipod <3 |
| 03:07.04 | beardy | Deepa: Which iPod do you have? |
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| 03:07.16 | mcbane | hi |
| 03:07.27 | mcbane | does debian support dvb-s2 devices? |
| 03:07.28 | Deepa | iPod mini |
| 03:07.29 | Deepa | 4GB |
| 03:07.47 | beardy | Deepa: Do you stand by that all iPods will play what is in it's usb storage? |
| 03:07.56 | Deepa | No |
| 03:08.08 | Deepa | But I have tried this on a iPod nano and a iPod video too |
| 03:08.12 | Deepa | And it worked fine on them |
| 03:08.40 | CaT[tm] | I'd vote yes, witht he possible exception of the shuffle (just maybe, though I doubt apple would make an exception like that) |
| 03:08.45 | beardy | I see. Must be older versions of their software/"firmware" then, that used a closed database for the music. |
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| 03:09.07 | Deepa | I'm running the second newest firmware |
| 03:09.12 | Deepa | according to the apple updater thingy |
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| 03:09.20 | pickcoder | mcbane: you should check out the v4l mailing list |
| 03:09.38 | pickcoder | I'm sure it's possible, but I have no clue if your sat card is supported |
| 03:09.41 | mcbane | pickcoder: I will do that. Thank you |
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| 03:10.07 | pickcoder | there are plenty of web-based archives of the v4l list |
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| 03:11.07 | beardy | How come all those recommendations to him about ipodtools or what they all were called? If mounting is all that is necessary. |
| 03:11.34 | CaT[tm] | they're just ui to make things 'easier'. |
| 03:11.34 | Deepa | Files are split up into folders |
| 03:11.36 | Deepa | Like F00, F01 |
| 03:11.47 | Deepa | and named like FKID.mp3 SDOK.mp3 etc |
| 03:12.02 | parsek_77 | how can I find the latest available KDE version number for debian unstable? |
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| 03:12.04 | Deepa | And sometimes the iPod_Control folder is hidden |
| 03:12.19 | janitor | I have an issue involving glibc, libc.so.6, and rar |
| 03:12.23 | janitor | when I run rar, I get this. |
| 03:12.28 | janitor | rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar) |
| 03:12.34 | Deepa | Whilst the mounting solution works, its not very practical |
| 03:12.41 | janitor | I've tried compiling glibc to no avail, old or new version |
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| 03:12.49 | \amethyst | Deepa: I still am not sure how you intend to put music on there? |
| 03:12.53 | janitor | I can't find an apt-get package that allows me to run rar |
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| 03:13.18 | beardy | \amethyst: He claimed he could, and that I am wrong, so let him. |
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| 03:13.26 | beardy | Have fun. |
| 03:13.30 | Deepa | I could just put it into F00, But I'm not planning on adding more music |
| 03:13.32 | \amethyst | Deepa: in my experience (different iPod) you can't just copy an mp3 file to an iPod_Control/Music/f??/ directory and expect the iPod to see it |
| 03:13.33 | Deepa | Just listening :) |
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| 03:14.03 | Deepa | And as mentioned earlier, Ive only tried it on 3 different iPod's |
| 03:14.30 | Deepa | beardy: No, I claimed that I could mount it and access the files |
| 03:14.31 | pickcoder | mcbane: there was a firmware posted for an HVR device back in April |
| 03:14.33 | Deepa | You claimed that I couldnt |
| 03:14.38 | Deepa | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.44 | beardy | I did not make a claim. I just said. |
| 03:15.03 | Deepa | You were pretty prompt on it |
| 03:15.08 | Deepa | You even mentioned it twice |
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| 03:15.17 | pickcoder | so I can assume that work has been done with DVB-S2 stuff |
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| 03:15.45 | mcbane | pickcoder: I would have to use the dvb-s2 device with vlc to stream the channels into lan (I live in a 300 people students hostel). |
| 03:15.46 | beardy | Sometimes, it even happens that what I say is not fully correct. What I meant though, is access, and do whatever you want, with your music, but, if it is fucked up in hat way by it, renamed, and hidden, yes, "not practical" is the least I'd call it. |
| 03:16.08 | Deepa | My iPod plays everything I put in the F00 folders :) |
| 03:16.18 | \amethyst | Deepa: my nano 2g doesn't |
| 03:16.29 | Deepa | But I got a iPod mini |
| 03:16.43 | Deepa | It will only SUCCESSFULLY play MP3/AAC |
| 03:17.27 | pickcoder | mcbane: what card is it? |
| 03:17.43 | Deepa | Ah well, I'm off to sleep, Soon lunch |
| 03:17.58 | parsek_77 | does anyone knows the latest relase number of KDE for unstable? |
| 03:18.15 | beardy | You, after checking. |
| 03:18.39 | mcbane | pickcoder: We have 2 dvbs cards installed already and are now exploring the possibilities for dvbs2 to recive h264 hdtv streams. No device is bought yet, so we are very flexible atm :) |
| 03:18.44 | janitor | is there any way to get rar to work with debian? |
| 03:18.56 | janitor | or is the glibc conflict unresolveable |
| 03:18.58 | beardy | !rar |
| 03:18.58 | dpkg | [rar] an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
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| 03:19.22 | janitor | rar gets used for stuff other than warez, on rare occasion. |
| 03:19.22 | beardy | janitor: Which version of Debian? |
| 03:19.33 | janitor | I'm not using it for that :( |
| 03:19.34 | beardy | Not the issue, I didn't write it. |
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| 03:19.57 | beardy | Well? version? |
| 03:20.03 | janitor | the latest unstable I believe |
| 03:20.09 | beardy | Then fix it. |
| 03:20.55 | janitor | good one |
| 03:21.17 | DavidProck1982 | hey i downloaded googleearth and it say i need Bitstream Vera font's , Well i got them as the fonts not an installer, And i dont know where to place them, Could someone tell me |
| 03:21.19 | janitor | I've tried compiling new and old versions of glibc |
| 03:21.33 | pickcoder | mcbane: http://marc.info/?l=linux-video&w=2&r=1&s=DVB-S2&q=b |
| 03:21.33 | \amethyst | janitor: what version of rar? |
| 03:21.44 | janitor | rar_3.7b1-2_i386.deb |
| 03:21.46 | DavidProck1982 | ? |
| 03:22.01 | \amethyst | Deepa: install the package ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 03:22.05 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:22.12 | \amethyst | DavidProck1982: install the package ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 03:22.25 | DavidProck1982 | oh ok thanks |
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| 03:22.41 | \amethyst | janitor: And what glibc? |
| 03:23.04 | \amethyst | janitor: libc6 package, that is |
| 03:23.18 | janitor | I'm not sure what version I have., I've tried compiling glib 2.2 and 2.4, and I have libc.so.6 |
| 03:23.29 | \amethyst | janitor: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 03:23.40 | janitor | libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 03:25.00 | \amethyst | janitor: your unstable is way out of date |
| 03:25.00 | \amethyst | !info libc6 unstable |
| 03:25.00 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 4445 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 03:25.01 | janitor | wow. |
| 03:25.01 | janitor | it is quite old |
| 03:25.01 | janitor | apt-get install libc6 gets me libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 03:25.08 | \amethyst | janitor: apt-get update |
| 03:25.23 | mcbane | pickcoder: that sounds promising |
| 03:26.59 | janitor | \amethyst: oddly enough, after apt-get update, it still says libc6 is the newest version |
| 03:27.06 | janitor | perhaps I should be pointing at different mirrors? |
| 03:27.09 | \amethyst | janitor: and this is unstable? |
| 03:27.34 | janitor | my friend claimed it is. I am trying to fix his mess. is there a way to check for sure? |
| 03:28.00 | \amethyst | look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:28.19 | janitor | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 03:28.27 | \amethyst | janitor: so that's etch, not unstable |
| 03:28.29 | AndyCR | hi |
| 03:28.31 | janitor | that doesn't look unstable to me. |
| 03:28.35 | AndyCR | i can't seem to get audio working |
| 03:29.04 | \amethyst | hmm... |
| 03:29.06 | AndyCR | it worked out of the box in ubuntu and i -think- opensuse 10.2, so it definitly is compatible |
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| 03:29.16 | lontra | janitor: etch is stable |
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| 03:29.46 | lontra | AndyCR: you need to be more specific what type of card? |
| 03:29.51 | AndyCR | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 03:29.58 | janitor | lontra: my fault for not double checking |
| 03:30.02 | AndyCR | sorry was getting it |
| 03:30.08 | liable | AndyCR: is alsa-utils installed? |
| 03:30.12 | \amethyst | janitor: what does ldd /usr/bin/rar say? |
| 03:30.14 | lontra | AndyCR: have you tried running alsaconf? |
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| 03:30.20 | \amethyst | janitor: does it say "not a dynamic executable" ? |
| 03:30.27 | lontra | AndyCR: and unmute with alsamixer? |
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| 03:30.34 | janitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.38 | janitor | indeed. |
| 03:30.50 | \amethyst | janitor: then it shouldn't care what glibc version you have |
| 03:30.57 | \amethyst | janitor: what happens when you try running it? |
| 03:31.02 | janitor | rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar) |
| 03:31.37 | AndyCR | lontra: yes, it is unmuted |
| 03:31.40 | \amethyst | what does which rar say? |
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| 03:31.43 | AndyCR | let me check alsautils |
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| 03:31.59 | janitor | /usr/local/bin/rar |
| 03:32.04 | \amethyst | janitor: that's your problem |
| 03:32.08 | AndyCR | yes, i have alsa-utils |
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| 03:32.18 | \amethyst | janitor: it's using the locally-installed version, not the debian version |
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| 03:33.12 | liable | AndyCR: so, you've run alsaconf, and it set the card up ok? |
| 03:33.16 | janitor | a hah |
| 03:33.45 | janitor | \amethyst: I copied the one in /usr/bin/ to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 03:33.46 | janitor | and it works |
| 03:33.48 | AndyCR | liable: ah, as it turns out audio IS working, however, the hardware volume buttons and mute button is not working |
| 03:33.55 | \amethyst | janitor: just remove the one from /usr/local/bin |
| 03:33.56 | janitor | this is great |
| 03:34.03 | janitor | I tried but then it said it couldn't find rar |
| 03:34.16 | \amethyst | janitor: hash -r |
| 03:34.29 | AndyCR | never mind |
| 03:34.32 | \amethyst | janitor: that was bash caching the lookup |
| 03:34.34 | AndyCR | gnome keyboard shortcuts -_- |
| 03:34.52 | janitor | this works even better, \amethyst |
| 03:35.07 | janitor | I learn a new linux thing every day working on debian systems |
| 03:35.13 | AndyCR | however |
| 03:35.21 | AndyCR | it seems its not sending the message to the hardware |
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| 03:35.42 | AndyCR | because the light on the laptop that indicates volume is muted doesnt come on when i press mute, though it does mute the volume |
| 03:35.48 | AndyCR | in ubuntu, this worked |
| 03:36.02 | AndyCR | don't know what i need to configure to fix it |
| 03:37.26 | lontra | AndyCR: i have the same issues here with my lenovo laptop .. but buttons for audio don't work ... but does it matter? |
| 03:38.12 | AndyCR | well, to an extent it does. i use the light to see whether it's safe to put something on when the volume is high if i just want to watch it silently, etc |
| 03:38.24 | AndyCR | and since i know it can work, iw as wonder if anyone knew how |
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| 03:39.04 | lontra | AndyCR: can't you just use the gnome audio applet? |
| 03:39.27 | lontra | or alsamixer? |
| 03:39.35 | AndyCR | yes, i can, i mean the actual mute light |
| 03:39.49 | AndyCR | theres a blue light on the hardware itself that turns orange when it is muted |
| 03:40.13 | AndyCR | in a linked issue, i think, the screen dim buttons don't work |
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| 03:44.21 | Wyzard | AndyCR: Out of curiosity, what model laptop? |
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| 03:44.36 | Wyzard | AndyCR: On my Z60m, the volume buttons are completely hardware and don't depend on the operating system at all |
| 03:44.43 | AndyCR | hp pavilion dv9000t |
| 03:45.15 | Wyzard | AndyCR: oops, sorry -- I was mixing you up with lontra who said he had a Lenovo laptop |
| 03:45.20 | AndyCR | ah |
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| 03:45.48 | AndyCR | it's similar, but it relies on the os itself |
| 03:45.52 | AndyCR | sadly |
| 03:46.17 | lontra | Wyzard: like AndyCR my dimness and audio buttons work in ubuntu but not debian. but then again my touchpad is all borked in ubuntu and works prefectly in ubuntu |
| 03:46.20 | AndyCR | i miss being able to judge whether the volume is muted by feeling a variable resistor dial on the side to see if it's all the way down... |
| 03:46.24 | AndyCR | ah |
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| 03:47.03 | Wyzard | lontra: dunno, sorry... I've never had any trouble with the LCD brightness controls on my Z60m |
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| 03:47.22 | lontra | Wyzard: no biggie ... i don't care and it doesn't really matter to me |
| 03:47.39 | stew | lontra: do you have tpb installed? |
| 03:48.13 | stew | lontra: tpb is the package which will make the OSD work when you change dimness or hardware volume |
| 03:48.15 | SJrX | In theory if I've created a fork bomb that forks 25 processes sleeps 1 second. Then forks 25 more, in a loop that goes up to lets say 40,000 do you think the system will recover? |
| 03:48.31 | stew | lontra: do you have a synaptics input section in xorg.conf? |
| 03:48.33 | lontra | stew: ok ... i'll take a look at that |
| 03:48.41 | lontra | stew: synaptics works fine with debian |
| 03:48.44 | Wyzard | stew: I've never really liked tpb... it runs as a user within a login session, whereas the buttons and the concept of volume control are system-wide |
| 03:49.28 | lontra | stew: it wants to remove hotkey-setup ... is that ok? |
| 03:49.29 | stew | Wyzard: the buttons still work regardless of whether tpb is running |
| 03:50.06 | Wyzard | stew: I know... I don't mind the buttons; I just don't like how tpb runs |
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| 04:27.58 | pdf | hi all |
| 04:28.16 | pdf | how can i remove debian and install other linux o.s. |
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| 04:30.12 | pdf | hi all |
| 04:30.15 | pdf | how can i remove debian and install other linux o.s. |
| 04:30.26 | nhuisman_away | get a shotgun |
| 04:30.27 | rob | just delete the parition |
| 04:30.28 | nhuisman_away | then shoot your computer |
| 04:30.36 | rob | partition even :) |
| 04:30.46 | nhuisman_away | pdf, you pretty much just install the other linux and delete and redo the partitions :P |
| 04:31.23 | pdf | how can i get into fdisk |
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| 04:32.54 | rob | just boot from the install cd of the distro you want to install, and use the partition software on that, much easier |
| 04:32.58 | hark | pdf: just run fdisk |
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| 04:34.11 | pdf | ok thanks |
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| 04:46.20 | bintut | anyone here familiar with module-assistant tool? |
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| 04:48.08 | bintut | i want to build a .deb package of madwifi from my debian etch i386 desktop which uses the kernel-2.6.18-4-686 to my other pc that is running debian etch 1386 but running a custom kernel-2.6.21.1 |
| 04:48.59 | bintut | i have the kernel-headers-2.6.21.1 at /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.21.1 and already installed the madwifi-source |
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| 04:49.32 | bintut | now, how can i build a madwifi .deb package for my other pc that is using kernel-2.6.21.1? |
| 04:50.06 | bintut | is it just the command of: "m-a a-i -k /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.21.1 madwifi" ? |
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| 05:54.02 | Kervan | hi when I work to "aptitude install xbase" debian says package not found. But I have debian cd 1-2 and i have used apt-cdrom add. How can I install Xserver? |
| 05:54.08 | grendal_prime | what in the bloody hell does this mean |
| 05:54.12 | grendal_prime | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc2.d/K16openvpn is not a link to ../init.d/openvpn |
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| 05:55.30 | ice63 | hmm |
| 05:57.37 | ice63 | Kervan: do a cache search x-window-system-core |
| 05:59.07 | Kervan | by "aptitude search x-window-system-core" I see this " p x-window-system-core - X window system core components" |
| 06:00.08 | Kervan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.26 | ice63 | shift + enter |
| 06:00.49 | ice63 | that will install it |
| 06:00.54 | grendal_prime | is anyone familar with openvpn |
| 06:01.09 | grendal_prime | the #openvpn is aparently dead |
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| 06:01.41 | ice63 | shift + g :) |
| 06:02.08 | Kervan | ice63: how? |
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| 06:03.08 | ice63 | to install with aptitude jest do shift + and g |
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| 06:05.32 | Kervan | ice63:shift+g resets the list |
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| 06:08.18 | Kervan | why aptitude can not find the package? |
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| 06:08.24 | ice63 | Kervan: jest do at root apt-get install x-window-system-core that's it |
| 06:08.57 | Kervan | yes I'am root |
| 06:09.10 | ice63 | ^^ |
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| 06:12.40 | Vasistha | grendal_prime: well, update-rc.d isn't necessarily an openvpn issue. How did you get the error message? |
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| 06:14.18 | Kervan | I thing I need to reinstall debian. There is some errors at dpkg or aptitude |
| 06:15.23 | Kervan | I want to say. I have installed as base system. No package installed to my system. can be some packages missing for dpkg? |
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| 06:15.57 | Vasistha | Kervan: how did you do the install? did you use the net install cd, or...? |
| 06:16.26 | Kervan | from CD |
| 06:16.35 | Vasistha | Kervan: which cd? |
| 06:16.44 | Vasistha | oh, I see -- cd's 1 & 2 |
| 06:17.10 | Kervan | yes 31r5 1-2. |
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| 06:17.37 | Kervan | I have installed Xserver before with those CDs |
| 06:17.47 | Vasistha | Kervan: oh dear, that might not work all that well. is there any particular reason that you chose to install the two-year-old version instead of the just-released stable version 4.0 ? |
| 06:17.59 | Vasistha | !es |
| 06:17.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:19.01 | lord_daemon | como monto a particao ntfs no linux |
| 06:19.19 | Vasistha | !tell lord_daemon -about es |
| 06:19.54 | Kervan | Ok Vasistha Thanks. |
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| 06:20.46 | Vasistha | Kervan: the reason you would have trouble is that the installed /etc/apt/sources.list is probably pointing to "stable" whereas you are using the "oldstable" distribution. (It's kinda too bad it's not set up to point to "sarge" by default instead of "stable" ... oh well!) |
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| 06:33.54 | AcidEyE | hi, i've downloaded first 3 cds of debian 4, when i'm installing it, it didn't ask me for 2nd cd, it automaticaly went on internet for installation, please help |
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| 06:34.43 | schme | AcidEyE: What is the problem? |
| 06:35.05 | AcidEyE | schme i want to install from cds, not from internet |
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| 06:35.49 | schme | AcidEyE: Ok. Well I have not used the new installer, but with the old one you could chose what source to use. I believe that is possible now too. |
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| 06:35.59 | sobersabre | nfs.... something is wierd! |
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| 06:36.34 | AcidEyE | schme it didn't ask for from what media you want to install |
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| 06:37.11 | sobersabre | what can cause the open() or unlink() to lag ? |
| 06:37.15 | sobersabre | on nfs. |
| 06:38.03 | Vasistha | nfs just lags, in my experience :( |
| 06:38.26 | Gokee2 | I am having Xorg stop responding and start using 99% cpu power a lot on Lenny. If I do killall -9 Xorg as root (though ssh I can`t get to a virtual console) then do startx and kill the startx once is has shown the nvidia logo I can then get back to my vertual consoles and restart x as a user. Anyone else having problems such as this with Lenny? |
| 06:38.50 | sobersabre | Vasistha: what are alternatives ? |
| 06:38.54 | sobersabre | AFS ?! |
| 06:39.13 | sobersabre | I'd love to replace NFS with something else. but with what ? |
| 06:39.51 | Vasistha | sobersabre: I sadly haven't found one. samba sucks. I sometimes use sshfs but that's not all that great. It may be that nfs works better with some tweaking... but I've never figured it out. maybe there's an #nfs |
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| 06:41.53 | \amethyst | sobersabre: what do you mean, exactly, by lag? The system call blocks for some period of time? How long? |
| 06:42.24 | sobersabre | \amethyst: it lags for about 33.3 secondds |
| 06:42.36 | sobersabre | things like touch new_filename |
| 06:42.41 | sobersabre | or rm new_filename |
| 06:42.53 | sobersabre | and the fileserver has loadavg of 0.0 0.0 0.0 |
| 06:43.16 | sobersabre | I am starting to suspect my network is messed, I mean physical network... |
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| 06:43.35 | sobersabre | \amethyst: any ideas ? |
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| 06:44.16 | \amethyst | sobersabre: so any operations fail? |
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| 06:44.20 | Gokee2 | Is something wrong with my computer or did google.com just change to a nasty layout? |
| 06:44.25 | sobersabre | they lag. |
| 06:44.33 | sobersabre | server is debian etch. |
| 06:44.39 | \amethyst | sobersabre: so they do complete after that time? |
| 06:45.04 | \amethyst | sobersabre: I suspect it is the network, though not necessarily physical |
| 06:45.13 | sobersabre | yes. clients are: debian etch, rh9, rh8 rh7.3, rhel3 |
| 06:45.16 | sobersabre | sles9 |
| 06:45.17 | \amethyst | sobersabre: do you get packet loss pinging the server? |
| 06:45.46 | sobersabre | checking... |
| 06:45.52 | sobersabre | I suspect I do... |
| 06:45.58 | gonzaloaf | hello, I'm trying to connect to a wifi network, it ues a WEP ascii password with a shared auth mode, I'm using this this commnand: #iwconfig ath0 essid xxxxx key s:yyyyyy, but I have no success, any clue? |
| 06:46.00 | \amethyst | and how much |
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| 06:46.50 | sobersabre | lag after 1st ping.... |
| 06:46.55 | Vasistha | Gokee2: someone was just complaining about that same thing in #kde (gmail on konq) |
| 06:47.01 | piztek | gonzaloaf: i had a bunch of wifi problems too |
| 06:47.02 | sobersabre | \amethyst: I think you've got a point. |
| 06:47.14 | piztek | gonzaloaf: it's probably the encryption type |
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| 06:47.30 | sobersabre | 9:45 I've sent ping command |
| 06:47.41 | sobersabre | still only 2 have been sent and accepted. |
| 06:47.53 | sobersabre | what the hell.... |
| 06:48.00 | robin_sz | so, when you notice that someone mentioned your name on the channel, but its scrolled off ... you can use lastlog on dpkg to find out who said what right? |
| 06:48.00 | gonzaloaf | piztek, any clue? |
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| 06:48.32 | piztek | everyone told me that i had to manually edit iwconfig, but nobody knew how |
| 06:48.57 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, This is the main search page... its all *fancy* |
| 06:49.13 | Gokee2 | I tried it on two computers and they both look the same |
| 06:49.18 | Vasistha | Gokee2: ohh, let me see ... |
| 06:49.28 | piztek | when trying to compile a program, i get this error, checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix! How can I fix this? |
| 06:50.02 | \amethyst | piztek: what are you trying to compile, exactly? |
| 06:50.05 | \amethyst | piztek: and how? |
| 06:50.18 | piztek | sim messenger |
| 06:50.23 | sobersabre | is 0.561ms ping response time on 100Mb network ... wrong ? |
| 06:50.26 | sobersabre | I think it is. |
| 06:50.29 | piztek | by running ./configure in the folder |
| 06:50.44 | robin_sz | piztek, see /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
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| 06:50.48 | \amethyst | piztek: you need the development packages for all the libraries it uses |
| 06:50.59 | piztek | so kde-dev? |
| 06:51.00 | kth``laptop | sobersabre; Response times hardly correlate with bandwidth |
| 06:51.14 | dexomsrc | What's a good FTP client that supports explicit TLS encryption on both the control and data channels with the server? |
| 06:51.20 | \amethyst | piztek: Why are you compiling it, exactly? |
| 06:51.25 | robin_sz | piztek, or /etc/pcmcia/wlan_ng.conf, depending |
| 06:51.47 | \amethyst | piztek: aha, it's not in stable, I see |
| 06:51.55 | piztek | \amethyst: because, yes |
| 06:51.58 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, You see it? |
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| 06:52.14 | Vasistha | Gokee2: ohh, I don't like it -- requires javascript to get to, e.g., image search :( |
| 06:52.17 | gonzaloaf | piztek, I do can connect from windows |
| 06:52.51 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, Ya i know I was looking for a link to tell them how bad it is |
| 06:53.39 | sobersabre | can you guys look at netstat -st here: http://pastebin.ca/492508 |
| 06:53.40 | gonzaloaf | offtopic: a brand of keyboard that the printed letters last forever? (preferrablyt black) |
| 06:53.48 | robin_sz | sobersabre, sounds like a perfectly sensible ping time to me |
| 06:53.58 | sobersabre | still: |
| 06:54.16 | sobersabre | when I press enter, the 1st ping response comes immediately. |
| 06:54.24 | robin_sz | sobersabre, you cannot relate ping times and network speeds |
| 06:54.33 | sobersabre | the second takes about 30 seconds to display the line |
| 06:54.37 | \amethyst | piztek: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/sim will give you an idea of what packages you need to build it |
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| 06:54.42 | sobersabre | ( which can be because it's sent after a long period ) |
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| 06:54.49 | robin_sz | sobersabre, your DNS settings are to blame |
| 06:54.50 | sobersabre | anyway, something is very fishy. |
| 06:54.52 | \amethyst | piztek: it's a fairly long list |
| 06:55.00 | sobersabre | robin_sz: I don't know how can you be so sure. |
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| 06:55.12 | piztek | \amethyst: suprisingly it rates higher than kopete on kde-apps.org |
| 06:55.18 | robin_sz | sobersabre, its called "experience" ... |
| 06:55.28 | roland_ | where do i make the zone files for domains in debian ? |
| 06:55.33 | roland_ | in /var/cache/bind |
| 06:55.35 | roland_ | or /etc/bind |
| 06:55.51 | sobersabre | robin_sz: is 6 ms a good response time ? |
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| 06:55.53 | \amethyst | roland_: the latter |
| 06:55.54 | robin_sz | roland_, for an authoratative name server? |
| 06:56.03 | roland_ | yes |
| 06:56.04 | CaT[tm] | I would recommend avoiding the use of a cache dir for permament data. |
| 06:56.05 | robin_sz | or a caching nameserver |
| 06:56.07 | roland_ | primary nameserver |
| 06:56.12 | roland_ | for my domain |
| 06:56.14 | robin_sz | /etc/bind |
| 06:56.19 | roland_ | ok |
| 06:56.21 | roland_ | tnx |
| 06:56.29 | robin_sz | sobersabre, impossible to say |
| 06:56.29 | CaT[tm] | since, you know, a cache is for local copies of data and as such can be nuked |
| 06:56.30 | sobersabre | robin_sz: "experience" is a memory of situation that will never occur again.. |
| 06:56.40 | sobersabre | robin_sz: I know I don't run nscd |
| 06:56.57 | sobersabre | and I know I've requested a non-previously-tried address. |
| 06:57.26 | schme | AcidEyE: Weird. |
| 06:57.35 | piztek | does SIM do aim? |
| 06:57.42 | AcidEyE | schme huh? |
| 06:58.00 | sobersabre | robin_sz: now I am supposed to same something cynical about your experience... I pass. |
| 06:58.04 | \amethyst | sobersabre: so you know the MAC address of some other machine on your segment? |
| 06:58.07 | sobersabre | s/same/say/ |
| 06:58.15 | sobersabre | \amethyst: yes |
| 06:58.17 | \amethyst | sobersabre: err, do you |
| 06:58.18 | sobersabre | I know "some" |
| 06:58.22 | schme | AcidEyE: That it did not ask you what media to use. Weird. |
| 06:58.26 | \amethyst | sobersabre: see if arping gives you the same kind of problems |
| 06:58.38 | robin_sz | sobersabre, well, I assume you have tested for packet loss, ,with a fast ping of say 1000 packets? |
| 06:58.40 | sobersabre | GOOD THINKING |
| 06:58.51 | AcidEyE | schme i'm still lookin in this |
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| 06:59.26 | piztek | has anyone gotten ksmoothdock working on amd64? |
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| 07:09.36 | Vasistha | piztek: you generally don't want to 'make install' because it is desireable to only install packages by using dpkg/apt, and using 'make install' sidesteps debian's excellent package management system |
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| 07:11.09 | dexomsrc | Why would proftpd allow multiple connections (from the same IP no less) on the same single passive mode data channel configured to be a range of only one TCP port, but wzdftpd is only able to handle one data channel connection (all subsequent ones simply time out)? |
| 07:11.50 | Vasistha | !tell piztek about dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 07:15.30 | Vasistha | dexomsrc: I have no idea, but I do know that we generally recommend vsftpd in this channel, above all else |
| 07:16.37 | roland_ | what is the reverse dns file in /etc/bind |
| 07:16.39 | roland_ | for my domain |
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| 07:16.43 | roland_ | what should i name it |
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| 07:21.49 | niru | how to suppress DHCP checking at boot up time |
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| 07:21.59 | niru | how to suppress DHCP checking at boot up time |
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| 07:22.20 | \amethyst | niru: mark the interface as static? |
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| 07:22.45 | JosefAssad | or remove the auto setting for the interface from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:22.49 | niru | \amethyst, I did not get u.could u explain |
| 07:23.05 | gonzaloaf | what means the "Load dri" line in xorg.conf ? |
| 07:23.09 | misreckoning | I can't suspend my computer, and sometimes after hibernating I end up with broken MBR! Also, it happens that gnome isn't responding after waking up :p |
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| 07:23.31 | \amethyst | niru: what do you want, exactly? Do you want the network not to come up, or do you want it to come up with a static IP address |
| 07:23.41 | dexomsrc | Vasistha: Does vsftpd support selectively enforcing the use of explicit TLS encryption on both the control and data channels for certain users and make TLS optional for others? Can it use only one port for the passive mode data channel? |
| 07:23.44 | misreckoning | the biggest problem is this one with MBR, I got "operating system not found" when I rebooted |
| 07:24.03 | Vasistha | not a question for me |
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| 07:26.09 | misreckoning | so how can I found/fix what happened? |
| 07:26.27 | misreckoning | suspend worked in ubuntu, so I guess it is not impossible to fix it |
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| 07:27.19 | misreckoning | and also a big problem - after logging of - screen gets black (gdm doesn't start) and I can't do nothing but to turn off my computer on a button |
| 07:27.35 | misreckoning | I hear it has to do something with fglrx drivers and that it can be fixed in xorg.conf |
| 07:27.36 | \amethyst | misreckoning: what video drivers are you using? |
| 07:27.58 | misreckoning | \amethyst: fglrx 8.35.5 |
| 07:28.04 | \amethyst | yup |
| 07:28.17 | \amethyst | I don't know anything about such a fix |
| 07:28.19 | misreckoning | I built them for debian with --buildpkg Etch/etc |
| 07:29.17 | misreckoning | \amethyst: well I've heard something like - reload the drivers after logging off - dunno :P |
| 07:29.25 | misreckoning | If I knew I wouldn't be here now :) |
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| 07:30.57 | \amethyst | misreckoning: for the latter thing (locking up when gdm comes back), AlwaysRestartServer true in the [daemon] section of /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 07:31.07 | \amethyst | might help |
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| 07:31.29 | misreckoning | \amethyst: aha, maybe that's what I heard of :) |
| 07:31.45 | Vasistha | misreckoning: rather than turning the computer off, if it happens again, try to kill X with ctrl+alt+backspace; you can also try switching to a VT with ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 07:32.02 | misreckoning | Vasistha: not working :p |
| 07:32.09 | misreckoning | Vasistha: completely blocked |
| 07:32.45 | misreckoning | and do you know something about suspend/hibernate problems I've described above? |
| 07:33.18 | kth``laptop` | niru; You could probably use ifplugd to fork away dhclient at boot time, unless you're running servers that bind on ips on that box.... Although using dhcp client on a server is a bit odd :P |
| 07:33.23 | Vasistha | I've never used hibernate; only suspend, and that, only with apm -- not with acpi as you are using it |
| 07:33.54 | misreckoning | Vasistha: apm? what, how, when :D ? |
| 07:33.58 | \amethyst | misreckoning: I suppose you need 3d accel, and have too modern a card for the radeon driver? |
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| 07:34.44 | Vasistha | misreckoning: is your computer older than 6 years like mine? if not, you really shouldn't care about apm. |
| 07:34.45 | \amethyst | misreckoning: also, maybe look at http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239 |
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| 07:35.24 | \amethyst | misreckoning: one recommendation there is to use the kernel's AGP drivers, not ATI |
| 07:35.27 | misreckoning | \amethyst: right :p xpress200 |
| 07:35.28 | \amethyst | 's |
| 07:35.50 | misreckoning | Vasistha: well, this one is hardly older than 6 months ;) |
| 07:35.58 | misreckoning | Vasistha: but I do have one oldtimer! |
| 07:36.27 | misreckoning | \amethyst: I just hope amd will fix it :) |
| 07:36.38 | misreckoning | things are getting better since amd bought ati |
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| 07:36.58 | Vasistha | misreckoning: with apm, you do not get temperature data; linux cannot control processor speed and power usage; and if you have a newer computer apm may not even be implemented at all. |
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| 07:37.59 | roland_ | can anyone help me please, i started bind and named , but they are not running |
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| 07:38.21 | Vasistha | how did you start them? |
| 07:38.23 | valdyn | roland_: eh? both? |
| 07:38.32 | roland_ | #bind |
| 07:38.33 | roland_ | #named |
| 07:38.36 | roland_ | not one runs |
| 07:38.58 | Vasistha | are you sure they're not supposed to be started via /etc/init.d startup scripts? |
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| 07:39.19 | valdyn | roland_: you have ANY idea what the bind program is? |
| 07:39.40 | roland_ | valdyn, yes |
| 07:39.43 | roland_ | i do |
| 07:39.47 | valdyn | roland_: i dont think so |
| 07:39.54 | roland_ | why you dont think so ? |
| 07:39.56 | Vasistha | he asked some other possible relevant questions at (this hour):16 |
| 07:40.08 | valdyn | roland_: because its a bash built-in |
| 07:40.09 | Vasistha | possiblY |
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| 07:40.57 | misreckoning | \amethyst: i checked on some forums... some people have said editing gdm.conf solved their problems ;) |
| 07:41.12 | roland_ | i did /etc/init.d/bind9 reload and says: Reloading domain name service: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused.. failed |
| 07:41.41 | valdyn | roland_: ps aux | grep named |
| 07:41.58 | roland_ | not running |
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| 07:42.13 | valdyn | roland_: run '/etc/init.d/bind9 start' as root |
| 07:42.53 | roland_ | starting domain name service: bind failed! |
| 07:42.58 | roland_ | where do i look for log on whats wrong |
| 07:43.03 | valdyn | roland_: ok, now read the log |
| 07:43.10 | valdyn | roland_: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 07:43.14 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:43.29 | roland_ | a missing ; |
| 07:43.30 | roland_ | lol |
| 07:43.35 | roland_ | in config |
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| 07:44.36 | roland_ | how do i jump to a specific line in nano ? |
| 07:44.40 | roland_ | whats the key |
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| 07:46.09 | Vasistha | roland_: did you look in the ctrl+g nano help? |
| 07:46.19 | roland_ | srry, looking now |
| 07:46.24 | \amethyst | roland_: ctrl-_ |
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| 07:46.51 | \amethyst | roland_: or ctrl-/, it's the same key |
| 07:47.21 | \amethyst | roland_: you should learn vi or emacs :) |
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| 07:47.42 | roland_ | i know enough vi just to survive editing a file,save and exit.. |
| 07:47.48 | roland_ | not more though |
| 07:47.56 | roland_ | and move around the file |
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| 07:57.53 | roland_ | host assa-electronic.ro : assa-electronic.ro A record not found, server failure |
| 07:58.02 | roland_ | hmm what does this mean.. |
| 07:58.07 | roland_ | a problem with my bind ? |
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| 08:01.36 | mascix | how can I build a mysql server deb file which has some databases which I decide |
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| 08:02.29 | kanpachi | hello, is there a way to check which packages are on the 1st etch dvd? i'm looking for a package and i wanna know if it's on there |
| 08:02.33 | Vasistha | mascix: you don't want to package mysql server, you just want to package a few databases? or do you want to include the entire server in your package, in addition to your db's? |
| 08:02.57 | Vasistha | kanpachi: I believe the .jigdo files list the cd/dvd contents |
| 08:03.37 | kanpachi | thanx, but what are jigdo files? how can i read them? |
| 08:03.40 | mascix | Vasistha: I am trying to build a installer CD which will install mysql and my databases. I think I should build mysql server deb or any suggestion I am kinda stuck |
| 08:04.10 | Vasistha | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:04.11 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
| 08:04.26 | \amethyst | mascix: you could build a .deb for your databases that imports them in the postinst |
| 08:04.31 | Vasistha | mascix: wait, better, you should read the new maintainer's guide |
| 08:04.42 | tralala | mascix, why don't you put the databases on the cd and simply copy them? |
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| 08:06.21 | tralala | kanpachi, compressed text files iirc |
| 08:06.23 | mascix | tralala: I am trying to make everything automatically this is best way todo this installation |
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| 08:06.42 | kairu0 | simple bind question: how do i set up 2 sets of DNS servers for forwarding: 1 set for internal domain stuff and another set for external? is this what zones is for? |
| 08:06.49 | ma3x | I installed php5 for apache2 and cbandspeed, but it doesn't load them automatically, what should i do/ |
| 08:07.08 | kanpachi | oh thanx |
| 08:07.13 | tralala | mascix, I don't see the benefits of packaging data as .deb. You can automate everything with a simple bash script |
| 08:07.32 | kanpachi | oh there thanx! found it :) |
| 08:07.38 | kanpachi | thanx very much for your help |
| 08:07.46 | tralala | kanpachi, you're welcome |
| 08:07.54 | tralala | ma3x, edit httpd.conf |
| 08:07.55 | kanpachi | bye |
| 08:08.01 | ma3x | tralala, what should I put in there? |
| 08:08.12 | ma3x | my httpd.conf used to be empty always |
| 08:08.15 | ma3x | and it loaded those modules |
| 08:08.25 | mascix | tralala: I dunno how to put bash scripts into debian installer but I made some progress on building debs which I wanted |
| 08:08.52 | tralala | mascix, oh, so you're customizing the installer! |
| 08:09.20 | mascix | tralala: yep |
| 08:09.20 | roland_ | help |
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| 08:10.03 | tralala | mascix, well that's gonna be a little more difficult |
| 08:10.25 | tralala | ma3x, read /usr/share/doc/php5-whatever |
| 08:10.26 | mascix | when we talk about linux where is no easy step anyway :) |
| 08:10.37 | mascix | where/there |
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| 08:11.34 | tralala | Maybe you're approaching the problem from the wrong side. |
| 08:11.36 | ma3x | tralala, it doesn't say a god damn thing about the installation |
| 08:11.43 | ma3x | about how to load the module |
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| 08:12.16 | tralala | ma3x, perhaps there's php5-doc |
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| 08:12.24 | ma3x | yeah perhaps |
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| 08:14.27 | ma3x | it won't load a damn thing |
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| 08:14.31 | ma3x | installed php5 cband speed |
| 08:14.35 | ma3x | it just doesnt load them automatically |
| 08:14.37 | ma3x | what should i do |
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| 08:14.43 | ma3x | how come no faq's been written about this |
| 08:14.50 | tralala | ma3x, in each case if there's anything debian specific about configuring php it will be there. Otherwise you can read any howto that google will find for you. |
| 08:14.51 | ma3x | or at least when installing it should automatically load them |
| 08:14.54 | ma3x | what a piece of crap |
| 08:14.58 | seif | http://seif.hopto.org/screen_12.23.jpg |
| 08:15.08 | seif | oh, sorry |
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| 08:15.32 | ma3x | tralala, its for every package like that, should spend 6 hours of my time fixing the god damn package |
| 08:15.33 | ma3x | ] |
| 08:15.58 | tralala | ma3x, you can always switch to windows - all you'll ever have to do is pres next, next, next... |
| 08:16.24 | ma3x | sounds good! |
| 08:16.56 | ma3x | than googling for 5 hours for a stupid php5 integration in apache2 |
| 08:17.20 | Vasistha | ma3x: whining is not likely to get you help |
| 08:17.34 | ma3x | waiting niethrer |
| 08:17.38 | tralala | actually he's not whining - he's more like bitching |
| 08:17.39 | valdyn | ma3x: how about using some brain when doing ls /etc/apache2 ? |
| 08:17.58 | ma3x | there are mods-available and mods-enabled |
| 08:17.59 | Vasistha | ma3x: well, wait, and if noone answers, wait maybe 10 minutes and ask again. then perhaps someone will be around who can help. |
| 08:18.11 | peterS | ma3x: you'll find that as you gain actual _experience_ dealing with Unix/Linux systems, your google time will start to go down drastically |
| 08:18.34 | peterS | this is why they pay Unix admins the big bucks, because when they don't know stuff they can figure it out quickly |
| 08:18.37 | ma3x | peterS, didn't happen yet :p |
| 08:18.51 | peterS | (not that I've ever seen the big bucks, mind you) |
| 08:19.04 | tralala | ma3x, perhaps you're spending too much time on #debian and too little time on google |
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| 08:19.13 | ma3x | on the contrary! |
| 08:19.19 | Vasistha | peterS: hehheh ... dammit!~ |
| 08:19.24 | ma3x | but I mean this used to be an automated process before! |
| 08:19.40 | ma3x | I remember having installed apache2 and then libapache php5 mod |
| 08:19.45 | ma3x | and it was automatically enabled |
| 08:19.49 | ma3x | what happens now? why isn't it? |
| 08:20.07 | peterS | first of all, the package name isn't "libapache php5 mod", it is "libapache2-mod-php5". |
| 08:20.08 | roland_ | help |
| 08:20.10 | tralala | ma3x, before? when? |
| 08:20.17 | peterS | if you are trying "libapache-mod-php5" it won't work, that's for apache 1.3 |
| 08:20.20 | tralala | roland_, /msg dpkg ask |
| 08:20.21 | ma3x | tralala, when I had sid installation |
| 08:20.35 | ma3x | now this etch seems broken |
| 08:20.55 | Vasistha | !wait is <reply> If noone has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about debian, linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Also see <repeat> and <ask> |
| 08:20.55 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
| 08:21.21 | tralala | ma3x, etch didn't inherit everything from sid. |
| 08:21.51 | ma3x | alright then |
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| 08:22.03 | warren_ | hello which programs are on the second cd? |
| 08:22.12 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 08:22.12 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 08:23.11 | tralala | ma3x, if you want to be sure that you haven't messed up your system I suggest you install etch from scratch (debootstrap maybe) and see if php will be autoloaded there |
| 08:23.26 | ma3x | tralala, i haven't messed it up |
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| 08:23.37 | warren_ | ok thanks |
| 08:23.38 | valdyn | php5 didnt 'autoload' for a long time, not even in sid, iirc |
| 08:23.42 | valdyn | if ever |
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| 08:23.43 | tralala | in that case you have to configure it manually |
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| 08:24.16 | ma3x | valdyn, does it now? |
| 08:24.18 | ma3x | I don't think so |
| 08:24.41 | tralala | and for what is worthed I think python is way better for web apps than php |
| 08:24.56 | ma3x | so should I add something like LoadModule php5_module modules/libphp5.so |
| 08:25.31 | valdyn | ma3x: geez |
| 08:25.34 | xoz | php is like working in the operating room |
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| 08:25.53 | Meliorator | i have a 120GB hard drive, that i am about to partition so that i can install Debian on it. I want to "reserve" 80GB of space on a spare partition, for backups. having read the manual, i see that it is recommended that i create seperate partitions for /boot /tmp /var /usr and /home. what size should i make these partitions, to use the reminder 40GB on the drive? |
| 08:26.04 | ma3x | valdyn/ |
| 08:26.10 | tralala | using php is like calling the big bad wolf to eat you |
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| 08:26.13 | Vasistha | php is like trying to manufacture a microprocessor with play-doh |
| 08:26.22 | Meliorator | s/reminder/remainder |
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| 08:26.47 | tralala | Meliorator, you might want to get familiar with lvm |
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| 08:27.02 | Meliorator | lvm? |
| 08:27.08 | tralala | !lvm |
| 08:27.08 | dpkg | somebody said lvm was at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 08:27.23 | valdyn | ma3x: ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load |
| 08:27.24 | \amethyst | Meliorator: You don't need all those as separate partitions |
| 08:27.30 | Vasistha | Meliorator: are you just using this for a personal home computer? |
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| 08:27.41 | Meliorator | \amethyst: true, it is safer though |
| 08:27.45 | xoz | Meliorator: if you are using it for home use, you really don't need to partition 40G. |
| 08:27.59 | \amethyst | Meliorator: Safer in some ways, less safe in others |
| 08:28.03 | Meliorator | Vasistha: it will be a personal server, but with some mission critical processes running on it |
| 08:28.15 | ma3x | valdyn, right now I'm trying to setup cband /etc/apache2/mods-available/cband.load |
| 08:28.18 | Vasistha | Meliorator: critical processes such as...? |
| 08:28.19 | ma3x | there is one but it wont load it |
| 08:28.28 | xoz | mission impossible prcesses? |
| 08:28.28 | tralala | Vasistha, bittorrent |
| 08:28.34 | Meliorator | Vasistha: databases mainly |
| 08:28.36 | Vasistha | hahaha!!! |
| 08:28.40 | valdyn | ma3x: so enable it |
| 08:28.45 | ma3x | valdyn, how!? |
| 08:29.05 | valdyn | ma3x: create a symlink in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ to the cband.load |
| 08:29.10 | tralala | ma3x, your questions are apache specific, not debian specific |
| 08:29.12 | valdyn | ma3x: like all the other enabled modules |
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| 08:29.19 | valdyn | ma3x: im not sure why you need to google for this |
| 08:29.22 | Meliorator | Vasistha: also, soem photo archives (long story, i work for a major print company) |
| 08:29.26 | Meliorator | *some |
| 08:29.36 | peterS | valdyn: why are you not telling him about a2enmod? |
| 08:29.38 | ma3x | valdyn, what about php5? |
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| 08:29.41 | ma3x | there is no php5.load |
| 08:30.02 | ma3x | valdyn, that's what Im talking about - it should be automatically enabled - with a symlink or whatever |
| 08:30.05 | xoz | separate /home, then |
| 08:30.11 | ma3x | not to bother me searching etc........ for 5 hours |
| 08:30.21 | valdyn | peterS: what's that? |
| 08:30.33 | valdyn | ma3x: you dont have libapache2-mod-php5 installed i guess |
| 08:30.38 | ma3x | valdyn, i do! |
| 08:30.40 | tralala | Meliorator, using lvm you can resize your partitions as you go without losing the content |
| 08:30.42 | peterS | valdyn: I refuse to answer on the grounds that it has a manpage |
| 08:31.12 | xoz | lvm is overkill for home use |
| 08:31.13 | valdyn | peterS: ah neat |
| 08:31.27 | xoz | and with 40G |
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| 08:31.31 | tralala | xoz, it's not for me |
| 08:31.51 | ma3x | peterS, tell me the manpage that says how to enable php5 in apache2!! |
| 08:31.57 | tralala | it's a nice to have thing even if you'll need it only once |
| 08:32.14 | Meliorator | well, i have done many installs of centos, gentoo and bsd, so i am familiar with what i am doing. i just don't know if there is anything specific about Debian that might require more or less space in the root dirs i mentions...more or less than space than the installs of the distros i just mentioned....? |
| 08:32.37 | valdyn | Meliorator: you dont need to split up your system into that many partitions |
| 08:32.44 | xoz | Meliorator: what a vague question |
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| 08:32.49 | valdyn | Meliorator: just one / and one /home is fine |
| 08:32.57 | tralala | Meliorator, at home I have two partitions / and /home |
| 08:33.18 | peterS | ma3x: what does 'dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5' say? |
| 08:33.25 | tralala | for more sophisticated needs you can read the installation manual - it has something to say about partitioning |
| 08:33.34 | Meliorator | i think it might be wise for me to put /var on a seperate partition, as all my db's will be in there |
| 08:33.35 | ma3x | peterS, un libapache2-mod-php5 <none> (no description available) |
| 08:33.42 | peterS | ma3x: yeah so install that package |
| 08:33.53 | ma3x | but I did, how come it's not installed now |
| 08:34.05 | peterS | ma3x: you tell me. dpkg tells you it isn't installed, now you get to figure out why not |
| 08:34.07 | Meliorator | i guess /tmp has no need for a seperate partition |
| 08:34.19 | ma3x | peterS, and libapache-gallery-perl |
| 08:34.30 | Meliorator | /boot needs it's own partition, so system boots if another partition fails |
| 08:34.32 | ma3x | peterS, that one is installed, why won't it load it |
| 08:34.39 | peterS | ma3x: I'm guessing perhaps you installed libapache-mod-php5 instead of libapache2-mod-php5 (notice the number 2 in there) |
| 08:34.49 | Vasistha | Meliorator: you could do / and /var ... I don't use seperate /home partitions myself; I rather make a /Docs partition so that separate distros installed on the same machine can maintain their own /home dot-file settings, and all can simply access /Docs |
| 08:34.51 | peterS | ma3x: anything that starts with libapache-mod instead of libapache2-mod is for apache 1.3, not for apache2 |
| 08:35.01 | Meliorator | xoz: true, i can make these assumptions myself, but they would just be assumptions |
| 08:35.08 | ma3x | peterS, libapache-gallery-perl is for apache but not apache2? |
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| 08:35.24 | Meliorator | Vasistha: nice idea |
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| 08:35.36 | xoz | Meliorator: having experienced installing different distros, you have pretty idea what you need. |
| 08:35.47 | peterS | ma3x: it appears that one is actually for apache2, so the name is poorly chosen |
| 08:36.03 | peterS | ma3x: but it's not in the libapache-mod-* namespace, so *shrug* |
| 08:36.18 | Meliorator | xoz: yeah, i've never installed Debain though, experience tells me to check first, act second ;P |
| 08:36.54 | xoz | Meliorator: debian is similar with other distros in terms of running system. the package management differs. |
| 08:37.30 | Vasistha | and the init script stuff differs, and /etc/network/interfaces is a debian thing, and........ |
| 08:37.35 | xoz | Meliorator: so your question is not debian specific |
| 08:37.45 | scud_ | hello i'm looking for a complete howto installing an ATI radeon, debian,Etch 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 08:37.52 | warren_ | how can you add an ubuntu cd on debian? |
| 08:37.56 | valdyn | scud_: which radeon |
| 08:38.00 | tralala | Meliorator, the debian installation process is extremely well documented. There are also a lot of admin tips on wiki.debian.org |
| 08:38.20 | xoz | Meliorator: listen to Meliorator. RTFM. |
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| 08:38.34 | xoz | Meliorator: listen to tralala. RTFM. |
| 08:38.35 | scud_ | valdyn: X1950GT Super |
| 08:38.39 | Meliorator | i'm not going to read the *whole* manual |
| 08:38.42 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 08:38.42 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 08:38.45 | Meliorator | i want to install it this YEAR |
| 08:39.02 | tralala | Meliorator, read the relevant parts only |
| 08:39.24 | xoz | Meliorator: you don't need to read the entire thing. read what you need to read. use the index or table of contents. |
| 08:39.31 | Meliorator | tralala: i did and it advises to create the partitions i mentioned, it did not state minimal size requirements though |
| 08:39.32 | tralala | unless you want us to paste them in the channel for you |
| 08:39.40 | valdyn | scud_: you might need the installer from amd.com, which can generate debs. |
| 08:39.49 | xoz | Meliorator: you are old enough to do this :) |
| 08:39.56 | Meliorator | (following D.3) |
| 08:39.57 | valdyn | scud_: im not familiar with which driver version supports which cards in fglrx |
| 08:40.08 | scud_ | valdyn: thanx, i'll check it out |
| 08:40.18 | Meliorator | yeah, all comments have been useful, i'm gonna get on with it, thanks to all for their time |
| 08:40.38 | Vasistha | Meliorator: as an example, my '/' is about 5 GB .. my only other partition is /Docs ... of course I only have a 30 GB hard drive, and I still haven't removed windows ... but that gives you an idea, anyway. |
| 08:41.16 | tralala | Meliorator, from what I can see there are size recommendations here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs03.html.en |
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| 08:42.09 | Meliorator | tralala: it only talks about the size of /tmp and swap partition |
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| 08:42.27 | sorl_ | how can i check what clients that are connected to a dhcp server? |
| 08:42.28 | Meliorator | which are pretty obvious anyway tbh |
| 08:42.54 | tralala | Meliorator, plus a link to a howto for complicated needs |
| 08:43.00 | Meliorator | i was more trying to find out how much space to leave on /usr for packages etc (assuming Debian does actually put them there?) |
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| 08:43.20 | Meliorator | from what Vasistha said, 5GB is more than sufficient for that partition |
| 08:43.22 | AcidEyE | hi, i'm installing Debian from cd's set, i've downloaded first 3 cd's. and i used apt-cdrom add on all cd cd's, now when i use apt-get install kde or gnome it wont work |
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| 08:43.53 | xoz | Meliorator: it really depends on the choice of apps you gonna install. it is you who knows the size. it is like you are asking us which ice cream you want. |
| 08:44.09 | Vasistha | Meliorator: well, mine started to fill up when I was compiling sources :P You might want to give yourself 10 or 15 GB for '/' |
| 08:44.18 | tralala | Meliorator, everything is usage specific. If you use lvm though you'll be able to add space should you ever need it |
| 08:44.19 | Vasistha | erm, compiling *kernel* sources, that is |
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| 08:45.11 | Meliorator | xoz: banana split with chocolate sauce |
| 08:45.17 | xoz | hehe |
| 08:45.20 | Meliorator | Vasistha: fair point, thanks |
| 08:45.21 | tralala | which gets me back to my original point - just use lvm and you don't have to care about partition sizes |
| 08:45.48 | peterS | that and you only create 1 to 3 partitions, not a zillion, on the theory of seriously diminishing returns |
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| 08:45.58 | xoz | or just use one partition and you have all the space. |
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| 08:46.46 | tralala | Meliorator, with lvm even if you run completely out of disk space you'll be able to add a second disk and extend the existing partitions over it |
| 08:46.51 | peterS | I use 2 partitions - one for the OS, one for me. the one for me gets mounted on /home, /var, /usr/src and a couple other spots where I have user data |
| 08:46.55 | Vasistha | Meliorator: I should hasten to say, of course, that lvm is probably desireable :) (although then you'll need to have a smallish /boot partition ... 100 MB could be overkill) |
| 08:46.59 | peterS | (bind mounts) |
| 08:47.22 | xoz | if you have 100G space, then partitioning is ok but for 40G, it is quiet tight. |
| 08:47.27 | peterS | I guess I have a third partition nowadays, out from under the raid1age, for scratch space |
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| 08:48.15 | djkoock | salve gente |
| 08:48.26 | Meliorator | right, Debian here i come! bcnu all soon |
| 08:48.28 | djkoock | come posso cancellare tutti i file che ho sul desktop in un colpo solo ? |
| 08:48.29 | Vasistha | !it |
| 08:48.30 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 08:48.49 | tralala | without lvm creating multiple partitions is somewhat final - you'd have to stick to it. With lvm you can reorganize everything no matter how many partitions you'll start with. |
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| 08:49.39 | tralala | that's why I start with / and /home and should I care for anything else I'll be able to add it later |
| 08:50.05 | tralala | well, /boot, / and /home |
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| 08:50.16 | xoz | tralala: how many times you did the addition of space using lvm from you original size? |
| 08:50.38 | tralala | where /boot is the only non-lvm partition |
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| 08:50.55 | Vasistha | xoz: are you asking how many times he has made adjustments using lvm? |
| 08:51.13 | xoz | Vasistha: yes, that is the better way to ask |
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| 08:51.28 | Vasistha | "a" better way to ask ;) |
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| 08:52.00 | tralala | xoz, a couple. But I've regretted my choice of non-lvm partitioning quite more |
| 08:53.15 | xoz | for home use, never needed it so far.... |
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| 08:53.35 | litage | i've noticed that when you mount an EncFS directory and view the unencrypted mount point, ``ls -al'' doesn't list hidden files. however, if you run ``ls -al'' on the encrypted dir, the hidden files are listed. does anyone know of a fix for this? |
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| 08:54.39 | xoz | that is a bug i think |
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| 08:54.51 | tralala | xoz, at some point I had at home a couple or more x86 installs and an amd64 install without lvm. It was a mess. |
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| 08:55.50 | xoz | tralala: i still have to encounter it. |
| 08:56.32 | tralala | xoz, now using lvm is a no-brainer for me. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it |
| 08:56.44 | sobersabre | hmm.. |
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| 08:56.50 | sobersabre | guys, I am out of ideas. |
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| 08:57.00 | sobersabre | longes nslookup ~4 seconds. |
| 08:57.05 | peterS | Vasistha: yeah see that's where you just convert the partition to a LVM PV, add it to your volume group, and add bits of it to your existing filesystems |
| 08:57.10 | sobersabre | local lookups take much less. |
| 08:57.10 | peterS | Vasistha: ...if you're already using lvm |
| 08:57.15 | sobersabre | NFS lags. |
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| 08:57.49 | xoz | tralala: maybe, ill try it in the future |
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| 08:58.11 | tralala | another lvm convert... |
| 08:58.20 | pingouin | i've installed a DV pci card to plug my video camera recorders, after installed some libraw1394 etc.. and load some modules, when i do a gscanbus i had a 'permission denied' so i adduser me video / disk as the ls -la /dev/raw1394 and /dev/dv1394 told me the group was, but...the same , so i did a really bad thing : chmod 777 the both /dev/dv1394 and /dev/raw1394.... is there another 'better' way ? |
| 08:58.42 | Vasistha | peterS: sadly, I didn't think I was quite ready to be doing that when I partitioned this drive a couple years ago. It's actually not that bad ... I haven't *really* wanted to re-partition at all for those two years, until now ... so I'm thinkin' I'll back up the whole thing, scratch it all, and do a nice, fresh lvm |
| 08:58.46 | peterS | xoz: when you _have_ lvm already in place, you tend to think differently, like "create a temporary filesystem, use it for something, blow it away" is really simple so you tend to do that even when you don't really need to |
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| 08:59.21 | xoz | peterS: yeah, for me advance planning it still the best way rather than being careless about space. |
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| 08:59.34 | matehortua | hi all |
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| 09:00.03 | ustunozgur | what are the disadvantages of lvm? |
| 09:00.04 | Vasistha | pingouin: the problem you're encountering is this: when you add your user to a group, the user's gnome session does not have that group registration built into it -- you need to restart your gnome session |
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| 09:00.39 | peterS | ustunozgur: the primary disadvantage is complexity: if anything goes wrong with your lvm tools you can't reach any of your data. it's one layer of stuff that can go wrong. in practice I don't let that bother me much |
| 09:00.41 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: it requires a /boot partition, and there's a rather small chance that you might have trouble accessing it for some reason at some point |
| 09:00.43 | matehortua | can i install a 32bit-kernel in my 64bit etch, whitout having to download kernel-source and compile it ?? |
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| 09:00.53 | tralala | ustunozgur, if you're trying to squeeze every bit of performance from your disks lvm will stand in your way |
| 09:01.13 | pingouin | Vasistha: ok, but i was already in the video group, but not in the disk group |
| 09:01.15 | peterS | ustunozgur: for the root partition in particular, lvm is a hurdle to jump over when you're in "boot from CD and try to rescue stuff" mode |
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| 09:01.30 | tralala | peterS, you can always boot a livecd and access your lvm |
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| 09:01.46 | peterS | tralala: assuming the live CD is ok with that. I wouldn't assume it could do that painlessly until I'd tried it |
| 09:01.48 | xoz | peterS: that is one reason why i hesitate to use it. it requires that the icing works, otherwise, you cannot see the cake. |
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| 09:02.12 | tralala | peterS, knoppix is find - personally tested |
| 09:02.14 | tralala | fine |
| 09:02.24 | peterS | xoz: that's why I don't use lvm for my root filesystem at present. at the time I installed this machine I wasn't sure if I trusted it quite _that_ much (well, more to the point, I wasn't sure if I trusted the initrd generator scripts to do LVM right) |
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| 09:02.56 | peterS | xoz: raid1, yes; lvm, no. that may be slightly irrational, it's not like the one is much harder for an initrd to set up than the other |
| 09:03.14 | keta | hi, what's the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-$ARCH and linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-$ARCH? |
| 09:03.38 | peterS | keta: one is for use with xen, the other is for vservers. not the same technology. |
| 09:03.42 | sobersabre | hmm... is it possible that nfs lags because of wronlgly made /etc/hosts.allow file ? |
| 09:03.58 | tralala | keta, package descriptions might give you a hint |
| 09:04.24 | xoz | peterS: yep. this logical view of space is quiet dangerous if not done properly. data security is important. |
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| 09:04.58 | xoz | s/security/redundancy in rain/ |
| 09:05.13 | xoz | s/rain/raid |
| 09:05.15 | xoz | heh |
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| 09:05.24 | matehortua | hi all, can i install a 32bit-kernel in my 64bit etch, whitout having to download kernel-source and compile it ?? |
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| 09:05.26 | shay|work | can someone suggest me a good proposal management system? |
| 09:05.28 | shay|work | and a CRM? |
| 09:05.29 | peterS | I'm singin' in the raid... |
| 09:05.41 | matehortua | sugarCRM |
| 09:05.44 | xoz | heh |
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| 09:06.15 | ustunozgur | isn't raid redundant :p |
| 09:06.15 | xoz | shay|work: describe the purpose in detail |
| 09:06.59 | shay|work | xoz, administrator recieves everything (web-based), users have an account with a form to send general information and files, users have the option to edit the form and remove/add files |
| 09:07.02 | Vasistha | !raid |
| 09:07.02 | dpkg | raid is probably Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 09:07.19 | keta | tralala: no they don't, I checked before asking, the only thing which differs is the "vserver" bit in the package name |
| 09:07.54 | ustunozgur | oh it's probably redundant |
| 09:07.56 | xoz | shay|work: is there a need to have separate web space or they edit/share the same web space. |
| 09:08.16 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: I like sending people to baarf.com |
| 09:08.18 | shay|work | xoz, doesn't matter |
| 09:08.41 | matehortua | shay|work: take a look at sugar capabilities |
| 09:08.52 | shay|work | xoz, it can be the same web space, but they have their own privacy |
| 09:09.11 | shay|work | xoz, meaning this: any user can only read and edit only its own information/files |
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| 09:09.28 | xoz | shay|work: try plone |
| 09:09.38 | shay|work | xoz, I'll check it, thanks |
| 09:10.05 | ustunozgur | lol |
| 09:10.13 | xoz | shay|work: it has good workflow management and written in python+ZOPE |
| 09:10.25 | matehortua | plone is very goot too |
| 09:10.32 | dutchfish | how can i get the 2nd argument from a (grep) line separated with spaces? |
| 09:10.50 | simonrvn | and the python makes it fast |
| 09:10.50 | xoz | cut -d" " -f2 |
| 09:11.04 | dutchfish | thx |
| 09:11.55 | litage | when you run ``apt-get source PKG'', are the Debian patches applied automatically? |
| 09:11.58 | xoz | dutchfish: or grep .... | tr -s " " : | cut -d: -f2 |
| 09:12.11 | peterS | litage: depends on the package. sometimes yes, sometimes no |
| 09:12.20 | litage | peterS: how can one tell? |
| 09:12.39 | dutchfish | xoz, yep works better, thx |
| 09:12.53 | matehortua | can i run 32bit application having a 64bit kernel ?? for example flash viewer? |
| 09:13.00 | peterS | litage: the problem is that there may be 2 levels of patching - there is the Debian patch (there is just one), and that is applied automatically. but some maintainers don't like the "just one patch" approach so they create a second level, a series of patches inside the patch, and those are applied as part of the build process |
| 09:13.35 | xoz | peterS: didnt know that second one. |
| 09:13.37 | peterS | litage: generally if there is a second level of patches they will live in the 'debian/patches/' directory. so if that directory exists, it probably means those patches aren't applied at 'apt-get source' time |
| 09:13.51 | litage | peterS: ah i see. what do these other maintainers usually put in the 2nd-level patch(es)? |
| 09:14.08 | peterS | litage: but even that you can't 100% depend on... there isn't a mandated standard way to apply multiple patches to a debian source package, so there are several competing "systems" for doing this |
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| 09:14.57 | peterS | litage: basically anything that affects the source tarball outside the debian/ directory is a candidate for being a second-level patch file. different maintainers take different approaches to how to split out the patches to keep them manageable |
| 09:15.23 | peterS | litage: and don't even get me started about tarballs inside tarballs |
| 09:15.35 | simonrvn | oh fuck no, please :P |
| 09:15.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:15.55 | hackmiker | how can i get a list of installed packages so i can grep through them? is there something similar to 'apt-cache search foo' that only looks in installed packages? |
| 09:16.26 | simonrvn | dpkg -l | grep '^.i' |
| 09:16.26 | dpkg | ii | grep '^.i' 1.8-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:16.42 | litage | peterS: hahah |
| 09:16.46 | litage | peterS: thanks for explaining that |
| 09:16.53 | hackmiker | k |
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| 09:17.30 | hackmiker | what is grep '^.i' ? |
| 09:17.39 | peterS | litage: if you want to know more, the competing "debian source patch systems" that I know of are: dpatch, dbs, cdbs [cdbs-simple-patchsys], quilt |
| 09:17.49 | peterS | litage: each of those is a debian package |
| 09:18.00 | simonrvn | ^ start of line; . 0 or 1 character IIRC |
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| 09:18.21 | simonrvn | or just 1 character, can't remeber now |
| 09:18.24 | simonrvn | remember* |
| 09:18.38 | chemaja | 1 |
| 09:18.40 | simonrvn | man regex; man grep ;) |
| 09:18.42 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 09:18.45 | hackmiker | :P |
| 09:18.52 | hackmiker | thanks me too :D |
| 09:18.56 | peterS | litage: most maintainers use one of those (or none of them), but occasionally you run across a package that includes a _copy_ of dbs from before dbs was a separate package ... and even more occasionally you see a home-grown system different from _any_ of those |
| 09:19.02 | simonrvn | np :) |
| 09:19.34 | simonrvn | i'm partial to quilt |
| 09:19.43 | hackmiker | can you guys point me to a good apt tutorial? |
| 09:20.42 | peterS | hackmiker: well, specifically ^.i means that i will appear in the second column (state == installed), and anything might be in the first column |
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| 09:21.03 | hackmiker | aaahhhh |
| 09:21.05 | hackmiker | nice |
| 09:21.32 | simonrvn | yeh. that . is to include held packages, for instance, or badly unconfigured ones |
| 09:21.42 | simonrvn | hi, Ci |
| 09:21.54 | simonrvn | (for instance) |
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| 09:22.55 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 09:23.06 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 09:23.14 | hackmiker | 'rc'? |
| 09:23.17 | HardDisk_WP | I have some .deb packages...how do I create a repository for apt-get's sources.list now? |
| 09:23.26 | simonrvn | removed, configs remain |
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| 09:23.36 | hackmiker | k |
| 09:23.40 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 09:23.46 | HardDisk_WP | tx |
| 09:23.53 | hackmiker | how do i remove the configs as well? |
| 09:23.58 | simonrvn | hackmiker: do dpkg -l | head -n 6 |
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| 09:24.05 | peterS | hackmiker: dpkg --purge |
| 09:24.10 | simonrvn | man dpkg ;) |
| 09:24.15 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg bobbitt (as well) ;-) |
| 09:24.22 | Nach | I notice the latest Python in Sid won't install right |
| 09:24.30 | Vasistha | hmm <own repo> doesn't give instructions for signing :P |
| 09:24.35 | simonrvn | yes, it's been reported |
| 09:24.41 | simonrvn | Nach ^^ |
| 09:24.46 | Nach | I have the deb for the previous one on my PC, how do I tell apt/dpkg to use that for the time being |
| 09:25.00 | peterS | Vasistha: yeah, a signed repository is more complex to create and maintain. involves apt-ftparchive or reprepro or dak or similar |
| 09:25.00 | simonrvn | install it, put it on hold |
| 09:25.08 | Nach | put it on hold? |
| 09:25.13 | simonrvn | might need to have the proper deps held too |
| 09:25.19 | simonrvn | !tell Nach -about hold |
| 09:25.34 | simonrvn | (hint: use aptitude) |
| 09:26.05 | Vasistha | peterS: I've been using apt-ftparchive ... got a script all set up, it's nice :D maybe I'll create a factoid |
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| 09:26.15 | Nach | I don't like aptitude |
| 09:26.44 | karsten | !tell Nach about aptitude |
| 09:26.48 | karsten | Nach: Learn to like it. |
| 09:26.49 | simonrvn | install that .deb with dpkg, then figure out the deps with aptitude |
| 09:27.05 | Nach | I installed the deb with dpkg |
| 09:27.07 | simonrvn | it kinda grows on you |
| 09:27.11 | Nach | but apt-get -f install is trying to upgrade |
| 09:27.24 | simonrvn | hence the need to put it on hold |
| 09:27.31 | Nach | I did |
| 09:27.34 | Nach | it doesn't seem towork |
| 09:27.43 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 09:27.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:27.44 | simonrvn | of course not, the deps ;) |
| 09:27.46 | karsten | hackmiker: For the full story, Martin Krafft's book, _The Debian System_ |
| 09:27.47 | Vasistha | hehheh |
| 09:28.02 | Vasistha | I know that wasn't such an ambiguous "doesn't work" but I can never resist |
| 09:28.17 | karsten | hackmiker: Otherwise: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto |
| 09:28.21 | hackmiker | ahh |
| 09:28.23 | hackmiker | there ya go |
| 09:28.24 | hackmiker | :P |
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| 09:30.53 | karsten | Hrm. Any other-than-painful ways to install stuff from experimental onto testing/unstable? Gimp should have a bug fixed. |
| 09:31.43 | skenmy | Hi all - I need to upgrade my version of PHP but I have used apt to install in the past, and there is nothing newer in the repositories. Is it okay to literaly compile, make, and make install over the apt-installed version? |
| 09:32.05 | cydork | skenmy: no. dont do that. |
| 09:32.06 | Nach | oh I got a better fix |
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| 09:32.11 | Nach | I installed python 2.5 |
| 09:32.11 | cydork | skenmy: are you using etch? |
| 09:32.13 | skenmy | Thought not. |
| 09:32.15 | skenmy | Yep, etch |
| 09:32.21 | peterS | karsten: best I know is to have experimental in my sources.list then, in aptitude, find the package in question, hit <enter>, then scroll down to the list of versions and hit + on the one I want. if this breaks other packages (because they need to be from experimental too), I find them with 'b' and do the same |
| 09:32.23 | cydork | skenmy: check backports.org then |
| 09:32.41 | alaya | karsten: just temporarily change sources.list, update, and install, then change it back |
| 09:32.53 | karsten | peterS: Dig. Bedtime for bozo ATM. Pinning might enter into it too. |
| 09:32.55 | skenmy | thanks cydork :) |
| 09:32.56 | peterS | alaya: have you tried that for experimental? it isn't quite that simple |
| 09:33.02 | cydork | skenmy: that might have a new version available, if it doesn't check /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:33.15 | alaya | i thought i did and it worked |
| 09:33.35 | Vasistha | skenmy: what version of php do you need/ |
| 09:33.50 | peterS | alaya: the experimental repository puts itself lower-priority than unstable, automatically, so that you have to grab packages from there _explicitly_ rather than just doing a normal install or upgrade |
| 09:33.53 | alaya | i thought as long as you only choose to install the target app and then change sources.list back right away it is okay |
| 09:34.08 | matehortua | how can i direct the error of a command to an archive i.e #program.sh > errorlog.txt |
| 09:34.21 | peterS | alaya: try it: add experimental to your sources.list, then apt-get update, then 'apt-cache policy subversion' (for example - I happen to know subversion has something in experimental right now) |
| 09:34.31 | matehortua | i know something is needed besides the > |
| 09:34.36 | cydork | matehortua: you need 2> |
| 09:34.37 | peterS | alaya: apt-cache policy will show you that the experimental version, while available, is not going to be installed by default |
| 09:34.47 | alaya | peterS: i see. |
| 09:34.51 | matehortua | tnx cydork |
| 09:35.16 | matehortua | nop |
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| 09:35.27 | matehortua | it didnt work |
| 09:35.40 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 09:35.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:35.49 | Vasistha | matehortua: what's the error message you get |
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| 09:36.00 | alaya | peterS: so that means you can always have experimental in sources.list side-by-side with testing/unstalbe ? |
| 09:36.02 | cydork | matehortua: then it's not stderr. |
| 09:36.08 | peterS | alaya: yep |
| 09:36.10 | peterS | and I do |
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| 09:36.28 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 09:36.29 | cydork | matehortua: pastebin whatever command you are typing. |
| 09:36.35 | Nazcafan | why is glibc in freeze ? |
| 09:36.50 | peterS | Nazcafan: there is no freeze. can you be more specific? |
| 09:36.51 | matehortua | im trying to make work beryl and im getting a message, i supposed it was stderr |
| 09:37.05 | matehortua | beryl-manager |
| 09:37.10 | Nazcafan | peterS: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=glibc |
| 09:37.20 | Nazcafan | peterS: last excuse |
| 09:37.33 | peterS | Nazcafan: ah, I think that message is out of date |
| 09:37.43 | Nazcafan | peterS: ok, weid |
| 09:37.46 | Nazcafan | weird |
| 09:37.48 | Vasistha | matehortua: programs really vary in their outputting errors to stderr ... some do, some don't. |
| 09:38.01 | matehortua | it says something like : beryl-manager[number]: segfault 000000 blhha bla |
| 09:38.04 | peterS | yes, it is weird, I thought the release managers explicitly lifted the freeze last month |
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| 09:38.57 | Nazcafan | peterS: maybe glibc is specially critical |
| 09:38.59 | sobersabre | how can I see if my machine is trying to work with IPv6 ? |
| 09:39.13 | matehortua | if i do it on a graphic interface the X will reset |
| 09:39.22 | peterS | Nazcafan: actually no, it's because glibc is used on the installer images. packages that affect the installer have to be approved manually. |
| 09:39.30 | peterS | Nazcafan: (I just asked a release manager and he confirmed this) |
| 09:39.58 | Nazcafan | peterS: thanks for the info |
| 09:40.27 | peterS | Nazcafan: btw, install 'devscripts' and use the 'grep-excuses' program - a quicker way to get the same info as bjorn.haxx.se/testing.pl |
| 09:40.38 | cydork | matehortua: looks like a bug? ask #beryl? |
| 09:40.42 | peterS | errr, debian/testing.pl, you know what I mean |
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| 09:41.03 | matehortua | Vasistha: : i found the output in /var/log/messages :) |
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| 09:41.46 | peterS | Nazcafan: closely related is the 'rmadison' program also in devscripts. I use that one every day |
| 09:43.45 | matehortua | the message im gettiing is http://pastebin.ca/492612 |
| 09:44.12 | matehortua | is a beryl error but on my etch64 |
| 09:45.08 | Nazcafan | peterS: cool |
| 09:45.16 | matehortua | very strange ... |
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| 09:45.27 | Nazcafan | peterS: I'll install that right now |
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| 09:46.29 | hackmiker | can i change from stable to testing? |
| 09:46.38 | peterS | !stable->testing |
| 09:46.38 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 09:46.39 | cydork | matehortua: notice the "kernel:"? seems like a bug. ask #beryl. |
| 09:47.00 | hackmiker | ahhh |
| 09:47.02 | hackmiker | thx |
| 09:47.08 | matehortua | im on #beryl in this moment |
| 09:48.00 | matehortua | i installed beryl via apt, and im on a 64bit etch almost fress intallation |
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| 09:48.31 | liable | beryl is in the repos now? |
| 09:48.47 | matehortua | yep |
| 09:49.02 | cydork | matehortua: it's not in debian yet. |
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| 09:49.15 | Nazcafan | peterS: the grep-excusses does not work with linux-image |
| 09:49.26 | peterS | Nazcafan: give it a source package name, like linux-2.6 |
| 09:49.35 | matehortua | welll nop sorry |
| 09:49.42 | Nazcafan | peterS: ok |
| 09:49.57 | LV-426_ | trying to masquerading between two interfaces with shorewall... syslog shows packets get rejected before reaching the postrouting chain. are my reject rules in the forward chain out of place ? |
| 09:50.03 | microtux | cydork, is compiz on debian? |
| 09:50.07 | matehortua | i added deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main |
| 09:50.09 | cydork | microtux: yes. |
| 09:50.23 | microtux | cydork, and is it stabe? |
| 09:50.28 | microtux | cydork, and is it stable? |
| 09:50.29 | cydork | microtux: yes. |
| 09:50.35 | valdyn | microtux: the one in etch works fine |
| 09:50.41 | skenmy | hey cydork - nothing available in backports.org |
| 09:50.47 | microtux | cydork, nice ;) |
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| 09:51.08 | cydork | skenmy: well then check if it's in sid and check /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 09:51.40 | cydork | matehortua: anyways your issue is not related to debian. |
| 09:52.57 | Nazcafan | peterS: is there a quick way to get to know the source package a binary package is from ? |
| 09:53.07 | microtux | valdyn, it needs so much ressources? |
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| 09:53.20 | valdyn | microtux: no |
| 09:53.21 | peterS | Nazcafan: apt-cache showsrc pkgname | grep ^Package |
| 09:53.24 | cydork | microtux: not exactly. |
| 09:53.46 | peterS | Nazcafan: or if you need it a bit more automated: apt-cache showsrc pkgname | awk '/^Package:/{print $2}' |
| 09:54.00 | microtux | valdyn, i have 64MB graphic memory |
| 09:54.07 | valdyn | microtux: more than enough |
| 09:54.18 | Nazcafan | peterS: the first one is fine, thanks |
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| 09:54.34 | microtux | valdyn, and it works on intel graphic card? |
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| 09:54.39 | valdyn | microtux: yea |
| 09:54.53 | microtux | valdyn, ok , thx i'll try it |
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| 09:55.08 | microtux | valdyn, i want to ask about beryl? |
| 09:55.10 | cydork | microtux: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 09:55.14 | cydork | microtux: check that. |
| 09:55.16 | valdyn | microtux: i know nothing about speed on intel cards but speed is fine on a radeon 7500, that chip is OLD |
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| 09:55.30 | microtux | valdyn, thx |
| 09:55.37 | ravn | anyone: I'm buying a new printer. What should I buy to get good support in Debian? |
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| 09:55.49 | microtux | valdyn, does etch support beryl? |
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| 09:56.09 | valdyn | ravn: hp or a postscript printer work ( i no nothing about others ) |
| 09:56.14 | valdyn | ravn: hp or a postscript printer work ( i know nothing about others ) |
| 09:56.23 | valdyn | microtux: no |
| 09:56.53 | valdyn | microtux: beryl runs fine on etch with intel chipsets, however beryl is not supported by debian ( no in debian ) |
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| 09:57.10 | peterS | ravn: yeah I dunno, if you don't want a laser printer (most laser printers are well supported, I think), if you want an inkjet printer instead, I guess check www.linuxprinting.org or look at the 'hpijs' package, which may have a list of models in it somewhere |
| 09:57.18 | microtux | valdyn, ahhhh ok |
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| 09:57.32 | microtux | valdyn, i'll try with compiz , thx for the link |
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| 09:57.45 | valdyn | microtux: so, if you run etch and compiz, you can try getting beryl from elsewhere |
| 09:57.55 | dutchfish | how to create a dif.gz out of an orig and changed version of a package? |
| 09:57.58 | peterS | ravn: but then, I haven't bought a new printer since ... well, I've never bought a new printer. my current printer is a laserjet 5 probably built in the mid-90s |
| 09:58.05 | microtux | valdyn, ok |
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| 09:58.30 | peterS | dutchfish: you have an unpacked version of the source tree that you've been hacking in? and you have the orig.tar.gz in the parent directory? then just call dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -S |
| 09:58.54 | dutchfish | petemc, very cool, thx! |
| 09:59.00 | ravn | paterS: ok, uhm, I'll look at that webpage, thanx. HP seems to have good support |
| 09:59.01 | petemc | no problem! |
| 09:59.26 | peterS | hey! |
| 09:59.28 | petemc | :) |
| 09:59.33 | microtux | valdyn, how can i know if my running debian is an etch ? |
| 09:59.57 | microtux | valdyn, cause i had problem with my debian ; so i did apt-get upgrade |
| 10:00.04 | peterS | I don't know if it's a record to be mishighlighted two different ways on two adjacent irc lines.... |
| 10:00.28 | petemc | heh |
| 10:00.33 | microtux | valdyn, and i don't know if what i did upgraded me to etch |
| 10:00.45 | microtux | valdyn, any idea? |
| 10:00.54 | dutchfish | peterS, how to resign it? |
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| 10:01.27 | dutchfish | peterS, with my own gpg |
| 10:01.35 | peterS | dutchfish: well, if you omit the -us -uc then it will sign the source and changes files. alternatively you can use 'debsign' from the devscripts package, after the fact |
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| 10:01.46 | valdyn | microtux: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 10:02.08 | peterS | dutchfish: if you want dpkg-buildpackage to know the right key to sign it with, you'll have to change the 'Maintainer' field in debian/control to the same name/address that your gpg key advertises |
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| 10:02.22 | peterS | dutchfish: though debsign has an option for signing with any given key |
| 10:02.26 | microtux | valdyn, then? |
| 10:02.32 | valdyn | microtux: show the output |
| 10:02.34 | dutchfish | peterS, ok, the rest i figure out, thx very much |
| 10:02.37 | valdyn | !info libc6 etch |
| 10:02.41 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 10:02.44 | valdyn | microtux: compare to ^^^ |
| 10:02.48 | microtux | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:02.58 | valdyn | etch. |
| 10:03.12 | microtux | valdyn, great |
| 10:03.42 | valdyn | microtux: 'aptitude dist-upgrade' to make it consistent, which it probably is already, base is etch |
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| 10:05.56 | microtux | valdyn, it asked me to remove 8 package , i don't know what could happen ; so i'll try another time |
| 10:06.09 | valdyn | microtux: which 8 packages |
| 10:06.12 | microtux | valdyn, cause now i'm busy and don't won't to waste much time |
| 10:06.17 | valdyn | microtux: ok |
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| 10:06.27 | valdyn | microtux: 8 packages cant be really bad in any case |
| 10:07.29 | microtux | valdyn, it want to remove libgc1 libnewt0.51 |
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| 10:09.10 | dutchfish | peterS, if i understand it right, i just recreate changes with orig as reference, and sign it myself as package-mantainer, there are no changes on changes? |
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| 10:09.41 | hackmiker | how can i fix this: fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (< 7.1.99) but 1:7.1.0-18 is to be installed |
| 10:09.42 | peterS | dutchfish: 'dpkg-buildpackage -S' calls 'dpkg-source' to actually build the .diff.gz and .dsc files, and dpkg-genchanges to generate the .changes file. the .dsc and .changes files need to be gpg-signed if you want to upload to Debian |
| 10:10.07 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 10:10.08 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 10:10.10 | valdyn | hackmiker: ^^^ |
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| 10:10.44 | peterS | dutchfish: if you want to sign the .dsc and .changes files as they are built, you just call dpkg-buildpackage -S. if you want to sign them separately (for example, with a different key than is mentioned in the Maintainers line of debian/control), you pass -us -uc to dpkg-buildpackage so it doesn't sign, then later you can call debsign with the .changes file |
| 10:10.46 | dutchfish | peterS, i am not ready for that, because i am not a mantainer, but want a quick fix wich i can distrubute to my own repos, its a sec fix for curent apache in etch |
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| 10:14.55 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v installed totem and I can read almost every video files exept video dvd, totem tell me that I doesn't have the good plugin (but it doesn't say which one I need), do you have any idea ? |
| 10:15.13 | xand | !dvd |
| 10:15.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check wodim or growisofs. |
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| 10:16.21 | dutchfish | peterS, thx, got it working |
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| 10:18.37 | valdyn | !dvd |
| 10:18.37 | dpkg | from memory, dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check wodim or growisofs. |
| 10:18.49 | valdyn | !libdvdcss |
| 10:18.49 | dpkg | it has been said that libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat> |
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| 10:18.57 | valdyn | oo |
| 10:19.07 | valdyn | henry_nicolas: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 10:19.27 | henry_nicolas | i'v got libdvdcss from this repos |
| 10:19.52 | valdyn | henry_nicolas: which totem is this: totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ? |
| 10:20.00 | henry_nicolas | totem-gstreamer |
| 10:20.07 | valdyn | henry_nicolas: use totem-xine |
| 10:20.19 | henry_nicolas | valdyn : is it good ? |
| 10:20.59 | henry_nicolas | valdyn : is it better than gstreamer ? |
| 10:21.12 | valdyn | henry_nicolas: it can play dvds |
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| 10:24.42 | henry_nicolas | valdyn : ok it works, thx |
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| 10:25.32 | debianix | hola :P |
| 10:25.54 | debianix | any of you guys have any idea why they removed webmin from debian ? |
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| 10:26.11 | petemc | !webmin |
| 10:26.12 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 10:26.13 | peterS | probably 'cause it sucks |
| 10:26.16 | petemc | see that list link |
| 10:26.20 | petemc | last |
| 10:26.28 | petemc | thp list kinda works too... |
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| 10:27.26 | debianix | is there anything similar that is in debian now that you would advise to use |
| 10:27.36 | dutchfish | petemc, not that i want it myself, but is there replacement glue for webmin? |
| 10:27.36 | debianix | apart from phpmyadmin |
| 10:27.51 | petemc | dutchfish: no idea |
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| 10:31.54 | debianix | http://netloony.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html > anybody tried it ? |
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| 10:37.30 | dutchfish | debianix, you maybe want to know this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/CipUX/ |
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| 10:38.37 | debianix | thx dutchfish |
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| 10:42.20 | debianix | pretty nice |
| 10:42.30 | debianix | i might try it actually |
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| 10:43.06 | dutchfish | debianix, its not very mature atm, i gues, but its better then nothing |
| 10:43.13 | turffy | hi Im having a kernel panic on my installed debian after a kernel update, Im trying to use rescue mode but vi is not working properly any idea? its my first time to use rescue |
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| 10:44.21 | Blackhold | hello, could some one help me please? |
| 10:44.22 | klikklak | I can't get finnish hyphenation to work. It's worked before so I'm thinking that maybe I overwrote the configs with package upgrades. |
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| 10:44.31 | dutchfish | turffy, i dont know if its available in rescue mode, otherwise try nano |
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| 10:44.42 | klikklak | in tex! |
| 10:44.54 | Blackhold | I'm looking for a program that I add nodes and I tell the connections of this node to other nodes and displays it graphically |
| 10:45.13 | debianix | i have a test machine, so i am just trying a couple of apps to see which one best suits me :P |
| 10:45.19 | debianix | but many thanx again |
| 10:45.30 | klikklak | so can anyone guide me through adding finnish back to hyphenation configs in tex? |
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| 10:46.27 | klikklak | if I run sudo texconfig and then go to hyphenation it displays a file, but I can't get the configuration line to work |
| 10:47.03 | turffy | dutchfish: how do I save in nano, ^O? |
| 10:47.14 | dutchfish | turffy, F2 |
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| 10:47.30 | aidehua | Does etch require a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 10:49.19 | turffy | dutchfish: tnx! |
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| 10:50.52 | dutchfish | Blackhold, what you mean by nodes, and what you try to do? |
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| 10:57.56 | alaya | aidehua: apt-cache search 2.4 |egrep -ri kernel and find out |
| 10:59.37 | debianix | hey i found php-ldap admin |
| 10:59.48 | debianix | it seems not too bad |
| 10:59.55 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 11:05.59 | valdyn | aidehua: and etch kernel >=some_version, maybe 2.6.17 |
| 11:06.01 | valdyn | aidehua: and etch kernel >=some_version, maybe 2.6.18 |
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| 11:07.05 | aidehua | valdyn: What do you mean? |
| 11:07.11 | aidehua | valdyn: 2.4 isn't a supported kernel? |
| 11:07.30 | valdyn | aidehua: etch requires a 2.6 kernel >= something, not all 2.6 kernels are ok |
| 11:07.32 | aidehua | I only ask because I have a 2.4 kernel I'd like to keep, but I'm worried some etch things will break unless I have a 2.6 kernel. |
| 11:07.37 | aidehua | valdyn: OK: thanks for the tip. |
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| 11:08.54 | debianix | >> Gosa |
| 11:09.03 | debianix | my bad, i have loads of choices now |
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| 11:10.59 | frejolito | hi people !!! |
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| 11:11.38 | qiyong | is sid ok for production server? |
| 11:11.45 | qiyong | !production |
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| 11:12.12 | streuner_ | frejolito: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 11:12.21 | s00x | que tal |
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| 11:13.34 | styvy | muy bien, sid is unstable & not the 1st choice for production server |
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| 11:20.08 | valdyn | g00se: because fat32 filesystems do not support permissions |
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| 11:20.57 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 11:20.57 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 11:22.06 | g00se | Yes - but i thought that would be ignored. But great - that's joggedmy memory on mount. THanks |
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| 11:27.54 | roland_ | hi , i have registered a domain at the .ro TLD and now when i do whois assa-electronic.ro the nameserver points at my dns (not at registrar's dns as before), i have zone configured, bind running but still doesnt work |
| 11:27.55 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.55 | roland_ | Server: 80.96.184.18 |
| 11:27.55 | roland_ | Address: 80.96.184.18#53 |
| 11:27.55 | roland_ | ** server can't find assa-electronic.ro: SERVFAIL |
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| 11:29.28 | qiyong | is testing ok for server? |
| 11:29.31 | qiyong | !testing |
| 11:29.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 11:32.48 | infester | qiyong: i think most people would say it is |
| 11:32.59 | glebushka | Is there any way to run windows xp under debian? I need to use my printer and I need xp for that... |
| 11:33.13 | infester | but it depends on how serious the buisness with the server is i guess :p |
| 11:33.17 | tralala | qiyong, not for a public server |
| 11:33.42 | infester | glebushka: sure you can't use cups? |
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| 11:33.52 | tralala | and certainly not for a mission critical server |
| 11:34.03 | glebushka | Well, there is no driver for my device. |
| 11:34.10 | qiyong | infester, how about sid for production? |
| 11:34.18 | qiyong | tralala, ^ |
| 11:34.45 | infester | qiyong: i'm not very leet here, but as i said, depends on how serious the stuff you deal with is i guess |
| 11:34.49 | qiyong | tralala, for just a gateway and simple www services etc |
| 11:34.52 | infester | most people wouldnt say so i think :p |
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| 11:35.50 | tralala | qiyong, stable |
| 11:35.50 | infester | i use sid for my server at home hosting www ftp etc, but thats just me |
| 11:35.51 | glebushka | Maybe trying other drivers I could find one, but It will be time consuming and may not lead printer to work. |
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| 11:35.59 | infester | glebushka: there are several virtual machines for linux |
| 11:36.21 | glebushka | I know, but what would be easiest to use? |
| 11:36.23 | petemc | not all of them support usb passthrough |
| 11:36.29 | tralala | glebushka, you can use qemu or bochs but I guess it's going to be much better to simply buy a supported printer |
| 11:37.04 | glebushka | Well... this is not only printer it's Canon smartbase it has scanner, copy, fax and print abilities. |
| 11:37.09 | infester | petemc: i think VMware does, or? |
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| 11:37.58 | petemc | infester: it does aye |
| 11:38.31 | petemc | so im told, i dont use it |
| 11:38.39 | infester | oki |
| 11:38.51 | infester | glebushka: try it out then, it's simple and popular |
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| 11:39.07 | glebushka | vmware? |
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| 11:39.45 | petemc | qemu might as well.. |
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| 11:40.50 | qiyong | what is gtk-miniiso for? |
| 11:40.54 | qiyong | gtk |
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| 11:41.58 | simon23 | hi, i received a textfile which i want to read, but it has strange characters instead of german extra-chars,.... the properties of the textfile (context-menu of kde) sais it is in unix format.) |
| 11:42.07 | simon23 | how else can i display it properly? |
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| 11:42.22 | simon23 | (i'm using kate atm with the utf8 charset) |
| 11:43.01 | simon23 | can someone please help me? |
| 11:43.22 | wols | aexplaing "strange characters" a bit better might help |
| 11:43.31 | wols | right now, your questions is meaningless |
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| 11:43.51 | kantor | hi , how can I find out the UTC time from a ICMP timestamp packet ? |
| 11:45.48 | simon23 | wols: in german that char should look like ä.ö or ü ... but it is a rectangle with a "?" inside. |
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| 11:47.16 | simon23 | i even used the dos2unix command to convert it, but that didnt help :-/ |
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| 11:47.17 | tralala | simon23, your font might not have these symbols. Try changing it |
| 11:47.35 | wols | or it might misinterpret UTF8 as ASCII or vice versa |
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| 11:48.09 | simon23 | tralala: my font has these chars as i can see from the preview of the font dialog |
| 11:48.38 | simon23 | wols: so could i change the default charset to solve that problem ? |
| 11:48.40 | tralala | simon23, is the file encoded in utf-8? |
| 11:48.53 | simon23 | tralala: how can i find that out? |
| 11:49.09 | tralala | simon23, file nameoftextfile |
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| 11:49.55 | simon23 | tralala: "utf8 unicode with very long lines" |
| 11:50.05 | simon23 | what does that unicode mean? |
| 11:50.40 | simon23 | (i cant select this in my editor preferences) |
| 11:50.42 | tralala | simon23, and what's your locale? |
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| 11:51.27 | tralala | actually the correct question is "are you running etch?" |
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| 11:51.51 | simon23 | tralala: yes - i am running etch |
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| 11:52.09 | simon23 | (the locale should be something german or west - european...) |
| 11:52.19 | tralala | simon23, so what do you have in /etc/locale.gen? |
| 11:52.52 | simon23 | de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 11:53.09 | simon23 | tralala: so i already have utf8... |
| 11:53.19 | Begasus | anyone that could tell me how to rais the screenresolution on Etch? cant seem to set it higher then 1024 atm |
| 11:53.20 | simon23 | tralala: as locale. |
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| 11:54.03 | simon23 | Begasus: have you tried putting more resolutions inside your config for your xserver? (that helped me once) |
| 11:54.09 | mnvl | what and where is the script that replaces /etc/motd at boot up?? |
| 11:54.28 | simon23 | Begasus: what do you use ? Xorg or Xfree86 ? |
| 11:54.30 | Begasus | entered 1280 in the xorg file |
| 11:54.31 | wols | Begasus: wjhat video driver? |
| 11:54.31 | tralala | simon23, check the options of kate - it might be assuming different file encoding |
| 11:54.38 | Begasus | but that uses 24 default |
| 11:54.41 | Begasus | nvidia |
| 11:54.50 | Begasus | the one from nVidia itself |
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| 11:55.00 | wols | !tell Begasus about drxx |
| 11:55.05 | Begasus | it should work fine (worked in a previous install) |
| 11:55.19 | tralala | Begasus, don't edit the xorg.conf manually |
| 11:55.24 | wols | and you are nto supposed to edit corg.conf |
| 11:55.27 | tralala | see what wols said and also xmd5 |
| 11:55.34 | wols | tralala: xmd5 is obsolete |
| 11:55.44 | tralala | oh |
| 11:55.45 | simon23 | tralala: already checked that ... but the preferences are set to utf8 and there's nothing other to set which would be more possible. |
| 11:56.01 | Begasus | k checking ... |
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| 11:56.04 | tralala | simon23, then it must be the font |
| 11:56.08 | wols | simon23: can you display äöü normally? |
| 11:56.13 | simon23 | yes. |
| 11:56.21 | tralala | If you type the symbols manually in kate do they appear normally? |
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| 11:57.59 | roland_ | how can i tell webmin to allow connections/logins only from specific publci ips |
| 11:58.02 | roland_ | public |
| 11:58.12 | xand | !webmin |
| 11:58.12 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 11:58.20 | simon23 | tralala: yes - even that |
| 11:58.23 | xand | roland_: webmin isn't in debian |
| 11:58.29 | xand | roland_: so don't ask us? :) |
| 11:58.32 | roland_ | kk |
| 11:58.37 | roland_ | i have webmin for debian .deb from their site |
| 11:58.42 | roland_ | dunno who to ask |
| 11:58.43 | xand | ask #webmin |
| 11:58.46 | roland_ | no one there |
| 11:58.48 | xand | ah well |
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| 12:01.08 | rambo3 | !webmin |
| 12:01.08 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 12:01.57 | debianix | heh, i asked about it few miutes earlier |
| 12:02.12 | rambo3 | !pony > debianix |
| 12:02.26 | roland_ | well , i use both webmin and ssh for managing the server |
| 12:02.28 | roland_ | when needed |
| 12:02.38 | roland_ | i kinda like webmin |
| 12:02.52 | debianix | i was browsing to find a replacement |
| 12:03.05 | debianix | there is gosa and also phpldapamin which are nice |
| 12:03.10 | roland_ | is there any... other than commercial pay-ups |
| 12:03.17 | roland_ | hmm lets see |
| 12:03.23 | rambo3 | debian-administraion.org is always useful |
| 12:03.32 | debianix | they are both in the debian stable repo |
| 12:04.17 | simon23 | tralala: wols: thanks for trying to help me... |
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| 12:09.06 | roland_ | both of those two are primitive,less-featured and ugly compared to webmin, imho |
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| 12:09.10 | roland_ | i'll just stick to webmin |
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| 12:09.26 | roland_ | i dont like that gosa |
| 12:09.48 | stew | someday someone wil properly package vhcs for debian |
| 12:09.52 | Begasus | k .. screen is better now ... but now beryl doesn't seem to hook up with it ... |
| 12:10.05 | toad_ | i upgraded to mainline 2.6.21.1, and alsa stopped working. all the modules are in place, and alsamixer -c <0,1,2> shows 3 soundcards, but playback doesn't work via either alsa or oss. any ideas? |
| 12:10.07 | debianix | up to you roland_ |
| 12:10.11 | stew | roland_: realize thet webmin is no longer in debian stable, and the upstream debs are horrible |
| 12:10.13 | toad_ | it was working on 21-rc7 |
| 12:10.25 | debianix | i just gave you other options :P |
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| 12:10.47 | toad_ | is there any library/packaging problem that would explain this? i'm on 99% etch... |
| 12:11.01 | roland_ | stew, i just use the latest and shiny webmin from their own site, packaged for debian |
| 12:11.07 | roland_ | it works great |
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| 12:12.22 | Noborusan | Hello guys,good evening |
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| 12:13.38 | stew | roland_: they tried to see if they could get their packages uploaded to debian, but it was almost as if someone was trying to make a joke becuase the packages were sooooo far from being policy compliant |
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| 12:14.13 | roland_ | hmm |
| 12:14.13 | Noborusan | How do you defrag a debian server uses XFS file system ? and how often to do it ? |
| 12:14.19 | maelvino | tell me |
| 12:15.02 | roland_ | why is there a need to defrag xfs ? |
| 12:15.10 | Noborusan | why not ? |
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| 12:15.14 | roland_ | xfs is a high performance fs for server environments |
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| 12:15.17 | roland_ | it should be consistent |
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| 12:15.29 | Noborusan | roland_, you are wrong |
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| 12:15.39 | xand | !defrag |
| 12:15.40 | dpkg | well, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
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| 12:16.10 | Noborusan | ok |
| 12:16.19 | roland_ | Noborusan: im wrong when i say xfs is not for server environments? |
| 12:16.24 | tarzeau | can you build this? http://dev.null.org/code/toy303/toy303-0.1.tar.gz |
| 12:16.32 | Noborusan | not needed ...i would guess cuz if we do it would be a nightmare |
| 12:16.34 | roland_ | xfs is good for intensive IO |
| 12:16.35 | RichiH | roland_: yes, very very much so |
| 12:16.53 | roland_ | so whats xfs for |
| 12:17.00 | RichiH | roland_: xfsdump alone makes it the most capable file system on linux, to date |
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| 12:17.10 | RichiH | roland_: large files and reliable systems |
| 12:17.13 | xand | RichiH: do you know how to enable ACLs for xfs? |
| 12:17.16 | RichiH | i use it on my laptop |
| 12:17.22 | RichiH | dead battery ate ext3 several times |
| 12:17.25 | stew | xfs is for punishing you for not having a battery backup |
| 12:17.27 | RichiH | never a problem with xfs |
| 12:17.34 | roland_ | RichiH: so mostly for servers, considering most people use ext3 and are happy with ext3 |
| 12:17.35 | RichiH | xand: no |
| 12:17.36 | roland_ | wich does a good job |
| 12:17.38 | xand | xfs is said to be less reliable in the event of a power cut |
| 12:18.01 | RichiH | xand: not in my experience |
| 12:18.23 | RichiH | i am usingit exclusively, the chair i am at uses it exclusively and the company i work at.. you guessed it ;) |
| 12:18.51 | roland_ | RichiH: how you define, more specifically, a 'reliable XFS system' .. what does that reliability stand for |
| 12:19.30 | RichiH | roland_: no data loss on power cut, xfsdump & xfsrestore |
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| 12:19.47 | roland_ | i never had data loss on ext3 in so many years on any linux i used |
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| 12:20.00 | roland_ | even with consecutive induced power cuts |
| 12:20.01 | Noborusan | RichiH, i selected XFS :) |
| 12:20.05 | RichiH | xfs has journaling built-in, whereas ext3 has it slobbered on top |
| 12:20.08 | RichiH | Noborusan: :) |
| 12:20.12 | roland_ | so what... |
| 12:20.17 | roland_ | journaling works in ext3 |
| 12:20.22 | roland_ | i never loose data |
| 12:20.34 | RichiH | roland_: personal experience, i guess |
| 12:20.38 | RichiH | i was not happy with ext3 |
| 12:20.42 | roland_ | so from that point of view, its reliable at my site |
| 12:20.45 | RichiH | happier than with reiser3, mind |
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| 12:21.02 | RichiH | roland_: if it works well for you, you should use it |
| 12:21.10 | roland_ | is there any other point in the reliablity of xfs other than dump,restore whatever? |
| 12:21.22 | roland_ | i dont know anything about xfs |
| 12:21.25 | roland_ | just asking |
| 12:21.42 | roland_ | how is the xfsdump/xfsrestore better than traditional dump/restore? |
| 12:21.45 | roland_ | faster/ |
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| 12:23.03 | RichiH | roland_: it lets you dump device nodes, it is very fast, it allows a more or less arbitary number of diff levels, you can switch off any fancy stuff to just netcat stuff over to xfsrestore |
| 12:23.36 | roland_ | so it has networked dump/restore capability? something like this? |
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| 12:23.41 | roland_ | and its faster.. |
| 12:24.39 | roland_ | lol whatever.. when i'll be interested in xfs(when what im using doesnt please me) i'll learn more about it |
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| 12:26.10 | roland_ | ext4 should be out this year? |
| 12:26.10 | cydork | tarzeau: undefined reference to `AUnit::inputRender |
| 12:26.10 | roland_ | or next year? |
| 12:26.10 | tarzeau | cydork: yes but can you fix it? |
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| 12:26.39 | cydork | tarzeau: not yet :P |
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| 12:27.35 | HostilePenguin | i can mount the drive i want with samba i can copy from one machine to the other but i cant copy in revers i get permission denied where to look? |
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| 12:28.09 | h3sp4wn | roland_: One of the main features of ext4 is extents (and jfs / xfs have them already) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 12:28.12 | wintix | HostilePenguin: do you have write permission set in samba? do you have write access to the mountpoint? |
| 12:28.34 | HostilePenguin | ty |
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| 12:28.50 | liable | roland_: theres an experimental driver in new kernels |
| 12:29.07 | HostilePenguin | alsoim not using windows |
| 12:29.09 | HostilePenguin | alos |
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| 12:31.17 | sudo_maddash | !kodak stinks |
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| 12:34.45 | toad_ | festival_client --ttw writes the data to the console even if i redirect the output to a file with > 1.wav or --output ... is there anything i can do about this? |
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| 12:36.41 | debianix | laters |
| 12:37.09 | toad_ | echo hello | festival_client --ttw > 1.wav |
| 12:37.16 | toad_ | this writes the output to the console! |
| 12:37.20 | toad_ | even if i do 2>&1 |
| 12:37.23 | toad_ | what is wrong? |
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| 12:37.58 | toad_ | no, if i do 2>&1 it writes it to 1.wav... 2>1.wav doesn't work though |
| 12:38.26 | toad_ | but it writes a load of garbage first so it's not playable |
| 12:38.46 | Nielsen | 1 is stdout, 2 is stderr |
| 12:39.10 | toad_ | yes, it seems to be writing both the audio and the debugging blurb about the audio to stderr |
| 12:39.10 | Nielsen | so you want something like 1> test.wav 2> err.log |
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| 12:39.35 | Begasus | there that's better ... ;) |
| 12:39.36 | Noborusan | is RAM a key for a debian server to do colocation tasks ? |
| 12:39.46 | Noborusan | I setup 2GB right now |
| 12:40.35 | Begasus | resolution at 1280 with AIGLX running :D |
| 12:40.58 | toad_ | if i do echo hello | festival_client --ttw --otype wav > 1.wav i get it all over the console |
| 12:41.16 | toad_ | if i do echo hello | festival_client --ttw --otype wav 2> 1.wav i still get it all over the console |
| 12:41.37 | toad_ | if i do >1.wav 2>&1, i don't, but i don't get a playable file either because it has a bunch of logging at the beginning |
| 12:41.42 | toad_ | how is this possible? |
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| 12:42.30 | toad_ | and --output 1.wav doesn't work at all |
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| 12:47.08 | zorgzorg2 | Hi all. Anyone having trouble with the python update in sid ? |
| 12:47.13 | SlayerXP | zorgzorg2: yes, you are. |
| 12:47.32 | zorgzorg2 | SlayerXP, this is true, but are you ? |
| 12:47.51 | skenmy | hey all - I'm trying to backport something on a live server. apt-get build-dep is wanting to "install" 93 packages, which include a lot of critical ones such as apache2-dev. Is this going to overwrite my current apache2 installation, for instance, or cause conflict problems? |
| 12:48.29 | SlayerXP | zorgzorg2: nope. |
| 12:50.42 | zorgzorg2 | strange, both my computers have the problem |
| 12:50.50 | grunt | what do I have to install to gain the gtk-window-decorator or gnome-window-decorator? |
| 12:51.18 | grunt | I'm trying to install compiz .. but It doesn't work at all .. |
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| 12:52.24 | ustunozgur | skenmy: -dev is for development headers, so not critical. But of course, you should wait for a more reliable answer. |
| 12:52.38 | skenmy | yeah - I realised that one |
| 12:52.45 | skenmy | I took the plunge and it's running now :P |
| 12:53.13 | SlayerXP | zorgzorg2: you're running sid, when things break you get to keep all the pieces. |
| 12:53.42 | h3sp4wn | zorgzorg2: There is a updated version (-6) that has arrived at my mirror |
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| 12:54.31 | toad_ | hmmm i see |
| 12:54.35 | h3sp4wn | zorgzorg2: or at least just dpkg -i (version -4) from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 12:54.39 | h3sp4wn | zorgzorg2: and wait |
| 12:54.41 | toad_ | it writes it to the --output file *AS WELL AS* writing it to stderr |
| 12:54.43 | toad_ | that's bizarre |
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| 12:55.50 | h3sp4wn | zorgzorg2: 2.4.4-6 is the fixed version (for both python and python-minimal) |
| 12:57.12 | zorgzorg2 | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 12:57.25 | valdyn | skenmy: how is apache2-dev critical? |
| 12:57.32 | skenmy | nono |
| 12:57.36 | skenmy | apache2 is critical to us |
| 12:57.42 | skenmy | -dev is different - I didn't realise that |
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| 12:58.56 | stew | skenmy: apache2-foo-dev depends on a specific version of apache2-common, so upgrading apache2-foo-dev will, in fact, upgrade your apache2 install |
| 12:59.16 | skenmy | right |
| 12:59.37 | skenmy | it seems to have gone smoothly so... |
| 12:59.39 | skenmy | *touch wood* |
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| 13:02.13 | zorgzorg2 | h3sp4wn, it works indeed, thanks again |
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| 13:02.56 | ossi | moin |
| 13:03.19 | ossi | how would i find out in which (not installed!) package a certain file is supposed to be? |
| 13:03.30 | formorer | apt-file |
| 13:03.40 | ustunozgur | or dpkg -S |
| 13:03.50 | stew | ustunozgur: no, he said 'not installed' |
| 13:03.53 | formorer | ustunozgur: read the "not installed" part |
| 13:03.59 | ossi | formorer: thx, will try |
| 13:04.01 | ustunozgur | ok |
| 13:04.05 | stew | ossi: /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 13:07.09 | jetscreamer | see also /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:08.04 | ossi | dpkg doesn't seem to reply ... |
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| 13:08.55 | bzed | !ping |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:09.05 | bzed | ossi: try again |
| 13:09.21 | ossi | nothing |
| 13:09.28 | ossi | !ping |
| 13:09.34 | stew | dpkg: tell ossi about apt-file |
| 13:09.42 | stew | dpkg: tell ossi about pdo |
| 13:10.05 | ossi | no pong ... it simply ignores me :} |
| 13:10.21 | stew | oh, dpkg might have a blanket ignore on versanet |
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| 13:10.42 | sudo_maddash | why is that? |
| 13:10.50 | stew | ossi: http;//dpkg.vireo.org/pdo http://dpkg.vireo.org/apt-file |
| 13:11.06 | ustunozgur | someone issue dpkg forget. might it be that? |
| 13:11.08 | stew | sudo_maddash: we've had lots of problems with abusive trolls from that domain |
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| 13:11.14 | stew | ustunozgur: no |
| 13:11.22 | stew | ustunozgur: its responding to everyone except ossi |
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| 13:11.43 | ossi | *grmpf* :} |
| 13:11.50 | jetscreamer | stoned had that |
| 13:11.54 | stew | ossi: or use the aptitude bot instead of dpkg |
| 13:11.55 | jetscreamer | was his ignore rules |
| 13:12.13 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 13:12.13 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 13:12.13 | sudo_maddash | aptitude: hi there. |
| 13:12.23 | ossi | !ping |
| 13:12.36 | jetscreamer | the bot does not like you |
| 13:12.39 | jetscreamer | !ping |
| 13:12.39 | uyohm | I thought ETCH was the testing version ... |
| 13:12.39 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:12.45 | jetscreamer | used to be |
| 13:12.49 | sudo_maddash | uyohm: it was, up until last month |
| 13:13.02 | sudo_maddash | !releases |
| 13:13.02 | dpkg | releases is probably See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 13:13.02 | uyohm | ok I see , thanks for the clarification :) |
| 13:13.09 | ossi | oh, well ... |
| 13:13.15 | sudo_maddash | !tell uyohm about release history |
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| 13:13.56 | jetscreamer | ossi: check your /ignore stuff |
| 13:14.00 | Niluje- | hello |
| 13:14.07 | Niluje- | I have a problem with vsftpd |
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| 13:14.36 | dZen|n| | Hello: I istalled my wireless bcm 4306 card, when I do this iwlist eth1 scan it findes my router |
| 13:14.43 | dZen|n| | how Can I now connect to it ? |
| 13:14.57 | omri | man iwconfig |
| 13:15.20 | stew | and 'man wireless' 'man interfaces' |
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| 13:16.26 | ustunozgur | I have a weird situation with irssi. I installed it, but when I connect to a server, it displays the messages in the server window, not the room window; and replaces nicks with PRIVMSG's. The problem is, obviously not related to irssi, since I have compiled and tried 3 different version in addition to .deb packages. Anyone encountered a similar situation? |
| 13:16.49 | ustunozgur | I have already tried #irssi by the way. |
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| 13:17.12 | ossi | jetscreamer: that's useless - *i* can see dpkg output |
| 13:18.19 | jetscreamer | then you might try indentifing with nick/chan serv |
| 13:18.31 | jetscreamer | or it of course could be pebkac |
| 13:18.45 | ossi | jetscreamer: i *am* identified. check you theories first |
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| 13:20.05 | ossi | i think the global versanet ignore is the most plausible idea. :-/ |
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| 13:20.11 | jetscreamer | ossi: well gee ok...... try not to be so nice about it next time |
| 13:20.16 | jetscreamer | aka foad |
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| 13:20.43 | jetscreamer | ossi: i'm on my way over to your place to test my theories |
| 13:21.18 | ossi | jetscreamer: a simple /whois (in my client it is a double click on the user) would have been sufficient |
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| 13:22.12 | jetscreamer | yes i see now how that would let me check your ignore rules and that you see dpkg's output... silly me. |
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| 13:22.47 | jetscreamer | the toad went foad |
| 13:23.17 | ustunozgur | ossi: I have no idea, but maybe you could try changing nick, reconnecting, another irc client etc. |
| 13:24.09 | dpkg_does_not_li | !ping |
| 13:24.28 | ossi | pretty obviously it was not my nick :) |
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| 13:24.49 | ossi | bah, whatever |
| 13:24.57 | ustunozgur | !why don't you like ossi |
| 13:25.42 | dZen|n| | can some of you gimme example how to connect to my w/router with wpe ? |
| 13:25.54 | ossi | doesn't seem to have an answer for *that* :} |
| 13:26.54 | ustunozgur | yeah, but to feel better, read my post about irssi above and thank that your problem is not that serious as compared to mine :) |
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| 13:27.24 | ossi | ustunozgur: :} |
| 13:27.34 | xoz | iwconfig wlan0 essid:xxx key:xxx |
| 13:27.47 | ossi | ahhh ... finally built my package. it's amazing that i have to install 200+ megs of tex stuff to build it ... |
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| 13:28.06 | jetscreamer | !pal ossi |
| 13:28.11 | stew | ossi: i'm telling you, its versanet.de ; but you can use aptitude instead which has all the same factoids |
| 13:28.37 | jetscreamer | aptitude isn't a blootbot though |
| 13:28.43 | ossi | stew: i agree with you, no need to argue ;) |
| 13:28.51 | stew | jetscreamer: it is. and it syncs its database to dpkg's daily |
| 13:29.00 | jetscreamer | aptitude: uptime |
| 13:29.16 | ossi | aptitude: ping |
| 13:29.16 | aptitude | pong |
| 13:29.24 | ossi | hey, it's alive :) |
| 13:29.27 | jetscreamer | and so it is proven i was wurng |
| 13:29.36 | ossi | aptitude: lart jetscreamer just for fun |
| 13:29.48 | ossi | damn ;) |
| 13:29.50 | stew | ossi: i turned lart off on aptitude |
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| 13:30.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg: uptime |
| 13:30.41 | dZen|n| | xoz: that dosn't work :( |
| 13:30.43 | jetscreamer | huh one does one doesn't |
| 13:31.19 | jetscreamer | work |
| 13:31.24 | xoz | dZen|n|: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 13:31.36 | xoz | !does't work |
| 13:31.44 | jetscreamer | doesn't |
| 13:31.44 | xoz | !doesn't work |
| 13:31.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:31.52 | xoz | heh |
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| 13:32.22 | jetscreamer | xoz: the blootbot uptime directive, compared between aptitude and dpkg |
| 13:33.04 | jetscreamer | dpkg is obviously eternal |
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| 13:43.21 | ustunozgur | Does anyone have a clue about my post above about irssi? |
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| 13:47.39 | jetscreamer | ustunozgur: i know nothing, but did you try mv'ing ~/.irssi ? |
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| 13:49.05 | ustunozgur | yes, I deleted .irssi, purged the packages, compile 0.8.6, 0.8.9, 0.8.10 and svn and installed each manually; but none worked. |
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| 13:49.39 | ustunozgur | used different shells, users, terminals. |
| 13:50.21 | jetscreamer | how about from when you compiled it there's some leftover config (being used) that --purge wouldn't take |
| 13:50.39 | jetscreamer | otherwise i'm clueless |
| 13:50.53 | xoz | ustunozgur: can you summarize the issue again? |
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| 13:51.49 | jetscreamer | (and you installed it first it seems from .deb and had the behavior, so doesn't seem applicable) |
| 13:51.51 | ustunozgur | I run irssi, connect to freenode, then connect to a room, #debian for eg. Then, all others messages flow into 1st window (server) window, and the nicks are replaced with PRIVMSG's. |
| 13:52.21 | ustunozgur | jetscreamer: I ran ls $(locale irssi) and everything seems to be deleted |
| 13:52.44 | ustunozgur | see http://ustunozgur.googlepages.com/scr1.png |
| 13:52.46 | jelly | locate? |
| 13:53.16 | ustunozgur | and yes |
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| 13:53.28 | ustunozgur | http://ustunozgur.googlepages.com/scr2.png |
| 13:53.58 | stew | ustunozgur: ask #irssi |
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| 13:54.27 | jelly | stew: as you can see from his second screenshot, he already has :-) |
| 13:54.31 | stew | oh |
| 13:54.43 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 13:55.09 | xoz | ustunozgur: sounds like config problem |
| 13:55.30 | jelly | I suppose they have a mailing list or whatnot |
| 13:55.33 | jetscreamer | i have this tooth that is sharp. i bit my tongue with it :/ now i have bloody tongue |
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| 13:56.41 | ustunozgur | xoz: possibly maybe, but deleted all configs and even tried other's config's too. And even one of the developers helped me to hack the code and recompile differently. |
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| 13:56.59 | Odinn | hey a question please, how do i mount my cell phones miniSD on my debian? |
| 13:57.01 | xoz | ustunozgur: debian etch? |
| 13:57.07 | ustunozgur | yes |
| 13:57.19 | xoz | Odinn: dmesg, look for what device |
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| 13:57.31 | kanpachi | hello, where can i find the recommended sources.list for etch stable please? |
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| 13:57.40 | xoz | Odinn: if sda, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 13:57.41 | jetscreamer | that is so ubuntuy |
| 13:57.48 | juice` | vino - vnc server for gnome - doesnt refresh correctly my screen when i connect to it. whenever i move window my screen is full of artifacts. any idea what could i do to change this? original VNC server works fine, but it's not connected to GNOME so i don't see anything other than blank screen |
| 13:57.55 | roam_ | how do I configure the trackpad of a powerbook? |
| 13:57.59 | xoz | ustunozgur: /etc/irssi.conf |
| 13:58.00 | juice` | any idea how to change it? |
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| 13:58.17 | Odinn | xoz, so i should plug it in now and do dmesg? |
| 13:58.20 | jetscreamer | kanpachi: there is an example on http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list but be sure which lines you use |
| 13:58.21 | xoz | ustunozgur: /usr/share/irssi/scripts |
| 13:58.25 | Odinn | its on my phone |
| 13:58.31 | xoz | Odinn: yes |
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| 13:59.25 | xoz | Odinn: do you have a card reader or your phone has computer interface? |
| 13:59.29 | militant | if i've got a machine in one location that i want to make proxy for me here at this location.. what's the package i probably want? |
| 13:59.41 | Odinn | nokia 6280 |
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| 13:59.47 | Odinn | my phone has an interface |
| 13:59.54 | militant | web proxy specifically |
| 13:59.57 | jetscreamer | !tell rototo -about root |
| 14:00.02 | xoz | Odinn: plug it and check dmesg |
| 14:00.20 | Odinn | sda1 |
| 14:00.30 | Odinn | sda: sda1 that the one line before the last |
| 14:00.37 | xoz | Odinn: try as root: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 14:00.43 | sudo_maddash | why do I have two Xorg processes? how do stop them from spawning everytime I reboot? |
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| 14:01.07 | Odinn | xoz, file system type |
| 14:01.10 | xoz | sudo_maddash: check /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 14:01.19 | Odinn | no wait |
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| 14:02.12 | jetscreamer | try auto |
| 14:02.14 | jetscreamer | for fs |
| 14:02.25 | sudo_maddash | xoz: what am I looking for? the only X11-related file I see is 'S99xdm' (xdm autostart) |
| 14:02.34 | Odinn | xoz let me try copying now if all works :) |
| 14:02.45 | xoz | mount should be intel enough to mount auto |
| 14:02.48 | jetscreamer | sudo_maddash: do you see an xdm process also? |
| 14:03.09 | sudo_maddash | jetscreamer: yes |
| 14:03.24 | xoz | sudo_maddash: remove the ln if you don't want it |
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| 14:03.55 | wols | militant: you want apt-cache. as in apt-cache search |
| 14:04.02 | xoz | or better use file-rc bsd style of init |
| 14:04.02 | skenmy | Looks like the PHP version in sid is bugged aswell |
| 14:04.06 | skenmy | Now im screwed. |
| 14:04.11 | Odinn | xoz, why is it transfering the data to my phone only after i unmount it? O_O |
| 14:04.12 | abrotman | it is unstable ... |
| 14:04.23 | xoz | Odinn: use sync |
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| 14:04.28 | jetscreamer | i don't have anything saying xorg in it in /etc/rc. |
| 14:04.40 | Odinn | sync? |
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| 14:04.42 | skenmy | abrotman, I was trying to upgrade to a version that didn't have this crippling bug in it :P |
| 14:04.49 | Odinn | and btw thanks, it didnt work last time i tried it :P |
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| 14:04.50 | sudo_maddash | xoz: good idea, that'll show me whether or not xdm is causing this. "bsd style of init"? doesn't debian use system v? |
| 14:04.50 | stew | skenmy: which bug# are you talking about? |
| 14:04.54 | jetscreamer | Odinn: try sync before you umount? |
| 14:04.58 | xoz | Odinn: that is how linux behaves. it buffers the data so never remove the plug without umounting |
| 14:05.07 | Odinn | !tell odin -about sync |
| 14:05.11 | militant | wols well that'll give me a list. but i was wondering if anyone had a recommendation for a specific one for simple personal use. but i'll look thru the list as you recommended |
| 14:05.15 | Odinn | damn bot XD |
| 14:05.21 | JarJarBinks | how do I avoid seeing std error, I tried redirecting but I don't know exactly what I'm doing 2>/dev/null 2>&/dev/null 2>&0 but I can't get rid of std err, (and I need std out) |
| 14:05.22 | wols | militant: privoxy |
| 14:05.40 | Odinn | jetscreamer, all works well :) |
| 14:05.44 | Odinn | xoz, thanks |
| 14:05.44 | Odinn | :) |
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| 14:05.50 | xoz | sudo_maddash: wht i mean is the config. bsd config style because all inits are in one file. so editing it is easier. |
| 14:05.59 | militant | ok, i'll check it. thanks. i'm on a cable isp that filters, and i have a box on another that doesn't. |
| 14:06.08 | x_link | How long time should it take for GParted to list my partitions? |
| 14:06.13 | x_link | Is there any other app that does that? |
| 14:06.14 | IgorSobreira | i can fin my usb device in /media....anybody could help me? |
| 14:06.18 | militant | crap echo delay is killing |
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| 14:06.24 | x_link | It has been searching for almost 5 minutes now. |
| 14:06.28 | sudo_maddash | brb. |
| 14:06.34 | wols | IgorSobreira: you can't unless you mount it. in which case you should know where you mounted it |
| 14:06.37 | JarJarBinks | IgorSobreira: tail -F /var/log/messages and unplug/plug the device |
| 14:06.52 | xoz | x_link: fdisk -l |
| 14:07.08 | x_link | ok |
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| 14:07.42 | skenmy | stew -> #40637 |
| 14:07.45 | xoz | x_link: possible your partition or file has problems |
| 14:07.47 | skenmy | but no worries - sorted it out now |
| 14:08.14 | IgorSobreira | i guess it is mounted....when i pluged it...i saw some messages: ".....sd 1:0:0:0 Attached scsi removeble disk sdb" |
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| 14:08.31 | wols | IgorSobreira: that doesn't mean it's mounted at all |
| 14:08.34 | IgorSobreira | humm |
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| 14:08.44 | x_link | xoz: fdisk -l "no such command" |
| 14:08.54 | wols | IgorSobreira: it just means you got a new device /dev/sdb which is your usb stick |
| 14:08.57 | wols | now you can mount it |
| 14:09.06 | IgorSobreira | ok ok...so i'll try to mount it |
| 14:09.07 | xoz | x_link: install fdisk |
| 14:09.18 | wols | xoz: you are not root |
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| 14:09.23 | x_link | xoz: I have made an backup on Debian Testing, and yesterday I installed Sid. Then I wanted to go back to testing so I did a recover. |
| 14:09.33 | stew | !dbugs 40637 |
| 14:09.36 | dpkg | DONE:#40637:W[sgml-data] sgml-data: should provide two sets of ISO entities; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:33:11 UTC |
| 14:09.38 | x_link | wols: Yeah now it worked =) |
| 14:09.57 | xoz | wols: heh |
| 14:10.32 | IgorSobreira | well...how can i see the size...in MegaBytes of a folder? |
| 14:10.44 | wols | IgorSobreira: man du |
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| 14:11.00 | xoz | x_link: that is problematic... sid -> testing, that is downgrade |
| 14:11.21 | x_link | xoz: I had an backup on my Debian testing. |
| 14:11.42 | xoz | x_link: ah, that is ok, then. |
| 14:11.56 | x_link | I changed to Sid then I didn't want to use it. So I put in Acronis CD and made an recover and got back to Testing =) |
| 14:12.10 | x_link | /dev/hda1 ext3 |
| 14:12.17 | x_link | /dev/hda2 extenden |
| 14:12.23 | x_link | extended |
| 14:12.27 | x_link | That's my partitions. |
| 14:12.27 | xoz | x_link: you could have tried it using deboostrap |
| 14:12.34 | formorer | W: libical0: latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-date |
| 14:12.34 | formorer | W: libical-dev: latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-date |
| 14:12.36 | formorer | ww |
| 14:12.42 | formorer | sorry |
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| 14:13.24 | xoz | flooding and saying sorry is not excusable. |
| 14:13.47 | x_link | xoz: Which partition is best, ext3 or resiers? |
| 14:13.55 | xoz | ext3 |
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| 14:14.06 | sudo_maddash | augh. i purged xdm and installed wdm, and the duplicate Xorg processes persist. |
| 14:14.11 | x_link | xoz: Okej. |
| 14:14.26 | xoz | sudo_maddash: ps axf |
| 14:14.48 | xoz | sudo_maddash: check the parents |
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| 14:16.06 | pandu | hi |
| 14:16.17 | pandu | plz chat with me |
| 14:16.39 | xoz | pandu: asg |
| 14:17.07 | sudo_maddash | xoz: they one of them seems to have spawned from the other Xorg process: http://pastebin.ca/492896 (line 38+) |
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| 14:17.16 | sudo_maddash | xoz: s/they one/one/ |
| 14:18.17 | xoz | sudo_maddash: /etc/X11/xsession or something like that. |
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| 14:25.04 | ToHellWithGA | have any of yall attempted to remove old packages from apt-proxy? |
| 14:25.51 | ToHellWithGA | i'd like to keep just testing rather than stable |
| 14:26.34 | ToHellWithGA | it is pretty nice for me with a somewhat slow connection and a couple of computers |
| 14:26.44 | ToHellWithGA | but the cache is getting too big |
| 14:27.17 | wols | where does it store the packages? |
| 14:27.43 | ToHellWithGA | it has a pool of packages |
| 14:27.49 | wols | if /var/cache/apt/archives/ then man apt-get |
| 14:28.00 | ToHellWithGA | wols: /var/cache/apt-proxy/ |
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| 14:28.21 | ToHellWithGA | cleaning out the apt cache is pretty straightforward, but i don't know about cleaning out the apt-proxy cache |
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| 14:31.25 | ToHellWithGA | all i can think of is using a somewhat stupid maximum age for cached files to clean out all the older stuff |
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| 14:31.35 | ToHellWithGA | but that's something i'd have to set then unset |
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| 14:32.12 | dfgas | sound doesn't work right, xmms is playing sound so now sounds in gaim/pidgin won't work nor does system sounds. then if i stop the music and then a sounds will work in pidgin but then if i try to play music in xmms again then i get fail to open audio output: alsa 1.2.10 output plugin |
| 14:32.12 | chops | If, when I 'ssh -X' to a server, my $DISPLAY is still set to "" (and X doesn't work, obviously), what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:32.26 | chops | I vaguely remember needing to install a particular package in order for this to work, but I don't remember the details. |
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| 14:32.59 | stew | chops: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:33.04 | ToHellWithGA | dfgas: that sounds like something about dmix |
| 14:33.19 | dfgas | do you know how i fix it? |
| 14:33.33 | ToHellWithGA | there should be a software layer mixing sounds so individual programs don't hog the card. but i do not know how to fix it |
| 14:33.40 | stew | !dmix |
| 14:33.40 | dpkg | i heard dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 14:33.43 | ToHellWithGA | i have that problem with my sound card and don't really mind |
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| 14:34.18 | Willemmm | I got this error when trying to do an upgrade: http://pastebin.ca/492922 |
| 14:34.27 | Willemmm | got some weird error from libc-client |
| 14:34.29 | chops | stew: Ah, thanks. |
| 14:34.37 | Willemmm | can someone give me a point to fix it? |
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| 14:35.27 | emP[1] | hi, which architecture version of debian should i download for a P4 HT system? |
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| 14:35.41 | ToHellWithGA | emP[1]: 686smp should work |
| 14:35.51 | ToHellWithGA | or whatever the technically-cooler name is |
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| 14:36.25 | ToHellWithGA | you'll want a kernel that supports your sse extensions and the "smp" bit will work with hyper-threading |
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| 14:37.55 | x_link | Is Resiers faster/better than ext3? |
| 14:38.23 | emP[1] | yeah, i remember something similar for my mandriva machine. i dont see an smp architecture on the ftp server tho |
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| 14:38.35 | emP[1] | just i386 |
| 14:38.35 | wols | !better |
| 14:38.35 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:39.03 | wols | !tell x_link about ext3 |
| 14:39.04 | amphi | x_link: I'd say so - eats your data faster, usually. too ;) |
| 14:39.43 | rgsteele | amphi: I've never had a problem with reiserfs |
| 14:39.44 | stew | Willemmm: check the bts for both packages involved in the conflict |
| 14:39.50 | liable | all post 18 kernels support smp |
| 14:39.54 | rgsteele | x_link: It depends on what you need. |
| 14:39.58 | amphi | rgsteele: good for you |
| 14:39.59 | x_link | amphi: Okej =) |
| 14:40.02 | stew | Willemmm: if no bug has been filed yet, please file one against libc-client2002edebian |
| 14:40.09 | rgsteele | x_link: If you have lots of little files, reiserfs might work out better for you |
| 14:40.17 | x_link | rgsteele: Okej |
| 14:40.18 | amphi | rgsteele: long may it last ;) |
| 14:40.18 | tarzeau | someone tried sauerbraten yet? |
| 14:40.21 | ToHellWithGA | emP[1]: you could install i386 then look for better-fitting kernels later using aptitude/apt-cache search |
| 14:40.33 | ToHellWithGA | that's what i would do if i didn't see the option i wanted right away |
| 14:40.41 | amphi | x_link: the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data' ;) |
| 14:40.41 | rgsteele | amphi: I'll drink to that :) |
| 14:40.58 | x_link | stew: I will stick with ext3 then, thanks =) |
| 14:40.59 | stew | emP[1]: all of the debian kernels are SMP except for the 486 kernels |
| 14:41.00 | wols | tarzeau: some time ago. really tastes great with spätzle |
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| 14:41.37 | rgsteele | amphi: Are you sure you were talking about ReiserFS, or were you referring to Reiser4? |
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| 14:41.50 | amphi | rgsteele: have you read about --rebuild-tree in man reiserfsck ? |
| 14:41.58 | amphi | rgsteele: reiser3 |
| 14:42.23 | rgsteele | amphi: I haven't. |
| 14:43.10 | emP[1] | stew: thanks, so just to be clear i can use the i386 iso? |
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| 14:43.35 | amphi | rgsteele: scary stuff - more on reiserfsck that's worth knowing at http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc |
| 14:43.36 | rgsteele | amphi: Meh, I've had several reiserfs filesystems in production for over a year now, and no data loss yet. |
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| 14:43.52 | Willemmm | stew: how do i check the 'bts'? for that? |
| 14:43.54 | amphi | rgsteele: 'horror reanimator' ;) |
| 14:44.38 | stew | emP[1]: what cpu do you have? |
| 14:44.46 | amphi | rgsteele: I used reiserfs for a while too, but the tension was too much for me ;) |
| 14:44.47 | emP[1] | p4 |
| 14:44.54 | stew | emP[1]: then yes |
| 14:44.59 | stew | Willemmm: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:45.08 | stew | Willemmm: you should know about the bts if you are running unstable |
| 14:45.16 | emP[1] | what are the 486 kernels? |
| 14:45.38 | rgsteele | amphi: Truth be told, I'm not sure if I'll be moving on to reiser4, with the fate of namesys sort of in limbo at the moment. Maybe ext4 will be my next target when the time comes. |
| 14:45.50 | wols | d |
| 14:45.59 | stew | emP[1]: the ones that end in -486, like linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 ; you, however, want linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 14:48.02 | microtux | hey, does anynos heard ih it exists a debian certification? |
| 14:48.16 | emP[1] | stew: so why then is the ISO labelled 'i386'? |
| 14:48.17 | microtux | Does anyone heard ih it exists a debian certification? |
| 14:48.50 | microtux | Does anyone heard if it exists a debian certification? |
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| 14:50.50 | stew | emP[1]: i386 is the architecture which covers 486,pentium,pentium pro,p2,p3,p4,k6,k7(athlon,duron,etc). however the i386 distribution contains kernels with processor specific optimizations |
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| 14:51.17 | microtux | debhelper, do you know if it exists a debian certification? |
| 14:51.26 | microtux | debhelper, something like RHCE? |
| 14:51.27 | emP[1] | right, great thanks |
| 14:51.29 | mcbane | hi |
| 14:51.43 | mcbane | does debian support any dvb-s2 devices at the moment? |
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| 14:52.33 | rares000 | how do you force an user to log off |
| 14:52.33 | Grim76 | microtux: calm down....I did not find one after doing a goole search that pertains specifically to Debian. I did find this though - http://www.lpi.org/en/lpi/english/certification/the_lpic_program |
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| 14:53.23 | microtux | Grim76, thank you |
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| 14:53.52 | Grim76 | microtux: You are welcome...next time be a little more patient. |
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| 14:54.35 | microtux | Grim76, ok ok i'm new to irc, sorry for being like that |
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| 14:56.09 | Grim76 | microtux it happens....just remember that we are not always looking at the screen and sometimes it may take a minute to find information that you are looking for. |
| 14:56.35 | microtux | Grim76, ok |
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| 14:59.30 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 14:59.37 | SnarceZ | I've some problems with azureus because I'm behind a router and I cant open any door (i'm not the lan administrator) I can't understand why until 3 days ago it all worked, but now that I had to reinstall all the programs, it sees the peers but it does'n download or upload nothing |
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| 15:01.36 | iwkse | hi, isn't gtkprint in debian? |
| 15:01.37 | bintut | wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 15:01.47 | abrotman | !find gtkprint |
| 15:01.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtkprint' (2 of 3): (/usr/share/python-support/pythoncad/PythonCAD/Interface/Gtk/gtkprinting.py) in graphics/pythoncad ;; (/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/pygtk/{class-gtkprintcontext.html|class-gtkprinter.html|class-gtkprintjob.html|...}) in python/python-gtk2. |
| 15:03.26 | Grim76 | SnarceZ: it is possible that you have been blocked from torrent access by the lan administrator |
| 15:03.39 | SnarceZ | no... |
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| 15:03.46 | SnarceZ | i dont' believe |
| 15:04.05 | Grim76 | SnarceZ: did you ask the network admin? |
| 15:04.06 | SnarceZ | noone come to set the lan or the router and I'm sure of it |
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| 15:04.26 | SnarceZ | yes nothing is changed |
| 15:04.54 | Dewi | SnarceZ: bittorrent still works without an open port, just not as well |
| 15:05.05 | Dewi | SnarceZ: maybe you were just more patient before :P |
| 15:05.47 | SnarceZ | but with a new file and 55 seed in 3 day i downloaded 0 B... |
| 15:05.57 | thatmanda | SnarceZ: What are you rying to download? |
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| 15:06.07 | thatmanda | *trying |
| 15:06.11 | Dewi | SnarceZ: shrug. Then something else might be wrong. |
| 15:06.17 | SnarceZ | funsub XD |
| 15:06.42 | SnarceZ | could it be some plugin or else? |
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| 15:09.52 | Dewi | SnarceZ: there are lots of guides on the azureus site and wiki |
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| 15:09.55 | SnarceZ | yes but they alla say to open a door and I can't... |
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| 15:10.00 | Dewi | SnarceZ: that's your answer then |
| 15:10.05 | Dewi | SnarceZ: they aren't called "doors" though. They are ports |
| 15:10.06 | SnarceZ | sorry XD |
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| 15:11.59 | samuel | sup all |
| 15:12.12 | samuel | ive got some python scripts running from a cron job, how may i see the output generated by those scripts from within the cron job? obviously its not in a terminal so.... is there a special output that processes without a terminal have access to? |
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| 15:13.50 | Sebboh | samuel: stdout in a cron job is automagically routed to nothing, if I recall correctly, and stderr is routed to an email. ..You should be able to redirect it to a log file via 2&1>blah.txt, or whatever that syntax is. ..I guess you could put that in the cron entry itself? Dunno.. I don't have the details, but maybe the basic idea of what I'm saying will tell you what to google for. =) |
| 15:14.30 | samuel | Sebboh: thanks, it does :) |
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| 15:16.44 | Dewi | samuel / Sebboh : on some systems (mine at least) stdout comes to me in email too, I think |
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| 15:16.44 | samuel | hmmm..... |
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| 15:17.15 | thatmanda | Does beryl slow down other 3d apps on other people's machines too, or am I just being useless? (It's been known) |
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| 15:20.08 | dfgas | anyone know how to get WPA to work with RT61 wireless card? |
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| 15:22.03 | thatmanda | dfgas: What's wrong? |
| 15:22.32 | dfgas | it won't connect, the standard drivers to allow wpa, just wep |
| 15:22.52 | dfgas | i used ndiswrapper and it has issues and won't connect ewither |
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| 15:23.18 | sky0 | thatmanda: don't know about beryl specifically; but i guess that is "normal". while you use 3d/GL to draw the desktop, there is simply less juice if you want to play Q3 (or whatever) |
| 15:23.43 | AndyCR | hi |
| 15:23.52 | irule | where may I download an older kernel image for sarge? I want to install it on etch |
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| 15:24.02 | AndyCR | just wondering if anyones using debian with an hp pavilion dv* series laptop |
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| 15:24.31 | cahoot | AndyCR: actuall yes |
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| 15:24.55 | AndyCR | cahoot: ah, do the media keys work? |
| 15:24.57 | lontra | tarzeau, bub-n-bros? |
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| 15:25.16 | cahoot | AndyCR: never bothered to test :) |
| 15:25.17 | AndyCR | i can't seem to get the mute light to turn on, or the screen brightness control to work |
| 15:25.19 | AndyCR | oh |
| 15:25.22 | PhockouS | Hellooo =) |
| 15:25.39 | lontra | phobus, hi |
| 15:25.57 | cahoot | AndyCR: I see - the screen light key stopped working after some kernel upgrade |
| 15:26.00 | PhockouS | Somebody can tell me one thing ? :-> |
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| 15:26.07 | AndyCR | darn, same here |
| 15:26.08 | Begasus | 'one thing' |
| 15:26.12 | Begasus | :P |
| 15:26.14 | PhockouS | yes , really one ;-) |
| 15:26.27 | AndyCR | i would go back to ubuntu, but the irc channel is... *shudder* |
| 15:26.32 | cahoot | AndyCR: doesn't even generate a code in xev |
| 15:26.32 | AndyCR | it works fine there |
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| 15:27.01 | PhockouS | Is package maked for ubu feisty compatibile with Debian ? =p |
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| 15:27.08 | lontra | phobus, no |
| 15:27.11 | lontra | PhockouS, no |
| 15:27.13 | PhockouS | Ok |
| 15:27.16 | PhockouS | I wanted to know |
| 15:27.18 | PhockouS | ;-) |
| 15:27.24 | lontra | PhockouS, you can still the source though and make a .deb |
| 15:27.29 | PhockouS | Yes , I know |
| 15:27.30 | lontra | !simple sid backport |
| 15:27.30 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 15:27.32 | AndyCR | i thought mark was aiming for binary compatibility between debian and ubuntu |
| 15:27.35 | AndyCR | guess it didnt work |
| 15:27.37 | lontra | PhockouS, ok |
| 15:27.42 | PhockouS | Thanks :-) |
| 15:27.52 | lontra | PhockouS, what package? |
| 15:27.54 | PhockouS | I can't get pidgin package for lenny |
| 15:27.56 | PhockouS | Pidgin |
| 15:28.00 | PhockouS | nvm |
| 15:28.08 | PhockouS | I'll try to find one |
| 15:28.08 | h3sp4wn | get pidgin from sid |
| 15:28.11 | h3sp4wn | (with simple sid backport) |
| 15:28.25 | cydork | PhockouS: or wait for 5 days :P |
| 15:28.26 | PhockouS | I'm new at Debian , I won't broke it ;-d |
| 15:28.59 | PhockouS | Yes yes , I'll try to find one :-) |
| 15:28.59 | PhockouS | Thanks all |
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| 15:29.36 | lontra | PhockouS, you may be able to cherry pick it from sid or experimental |
| 15:29.45 | abrotman | PhockouS: or you could wait a bit until it gets into lenny |
| 15:30.07 | PhockouS | I will wait ;-d |
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| 15:30.47 | PhockouS | If I could I have another problem :-) But if You don't got enough free time , I'm sorry . |
| 15:30.54 | abrotman | just ask |
| 15:30.58 | lontra | !ask |
| 15:30.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:31.15 | lontra | if you ask to ask you'll just piss off abrotman |
| 15:31.20 | PhockouS | =) |
| 15:31.30 | abrotman | GRRRRRRR! |
| 15:31.55 | PhockouS | It's easy I know , but I can't figure how to make it work . |
| 15:31.59 | Odinn | !dpkg i love you! |
| 15:32.02 | lontra | PhockouS, what's the question |
| 15:32.03 | lontra | ? |
| 15:32.13 | PhockouS | When I try to reboot or shutdown the pc from xfce menu |
| 15:32.19 | PhockouS | ( gdm ) |
| 15:32.23 | lontra | PhockouS, it won't allow you to? |
| 15:32.23 | PhockouS | I must enter password |
| 15:32.26 | lontra | oh |
| 15:32.42 | abrotman | i think there's a GDM option for that |
| 15:32.47 | PhockouS | If I enter it , I can't reboot / shutdown , because only root can do this . |
| 15:32.57 | PhockouS | Yes , I know , but I can't find it ;-d |
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| 15:33.04 | Begasus | ? no prob with that here ... |
| 15:33.42 | Begasus | you created a user PhockouS? |
| 15:33.42 | Odinn | yeah you probably disabled the option for regular users to shut the computer down in GDM? |
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| 15:33.43 | PhockouS | I must shutdown pc with shutdown 0 |
| 15:33.43 | Odinn | i think there is an option there |
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| 15:33.49 | abrotman | SecureSystemMenu and ShowSystemMenu .. or something like taht |
| 15:33.51 | Odinn | PhockouS, have you tried to see your GDM settings? |
| 15:33.56 | PhockouS | Odinn - ofc |
| 15:34.03 | PhockouS | Don't make total lame from me ;-d |
| 15:34.10 | Odinn | im not... |
| 15:34.27 | PhockouS | But this is really fun |
| 15:34.35 | solemnwarning | If I create a read-only snapshot of an ext3 LVM filesystem, then modify a 40GB file is the entire file duplicated or just the changed parts? |
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| 15:34.46 | PhockouS | when I used xubuntu , I haven't this problem ;-d |
| 15:35.06 | PhockouS | I'll try to find correct option . Thanks for all help . |
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| 15:37.15 | Sebboh | PhockouS: on my system, my limited user isn't allowed to shutdown the pc, either. shrug I always run as the limited user, but, I use sudo for things like shutting down. |
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| 15:38.07 | uyohm | How can I get the g |
| 15:38.22 | Ronin | get the g? what g? |
| 15:38.40 | vin` | spot |
| 15:38.49 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:38.52 | sigterm | lol |
| 15:39.33 | uyohm | How can I get the full autocomplete to work in root terminal ?(e.g. : the software packages when using apt-get get autocompleted when in user terminal , but not in root terminal ) |
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| 15:39.44 | |DuReX| | ls[7609]: segfault at 0000000000515008 rip 00002b0179ecc67d rsp 00007fff30bdd5d0 error 4 |
| 15:39.46 | Danielss89 | Hi.. |
| 15:39.54 | Danielss89 | what is wrong with this sentence: useradd -r -u 150 -g mail -d /var/vmail -s /sbin/nologin -c “Virtual mailbox” vmail |
| 15:40.01 | |DuReX| | what could cause this ? i'm running etch amd64 |
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| 15:40.55 | jelly | Danielss89: the quotes are funny |
| 15:41.13 | jelly | Danielss89: Ҡinstead of "" |
| 15:41.25 | Danielss89 | yeah hehe thats just my chat client :D |
| 15:41.28 | vin` | uyohm: if you want it system wide, enable it in /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 15:41.50 | uyohm | vin : Ok I'll check that , thank you :) |
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| 15:41.57 | Danielss89 | jelly when i run the command, it just tells me how the command should be ran... |
| 15:42.23 | Danielss89 | how the usage is and which options.. |
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| 15:42.31 | jelly | Danielss89: does it mention the -r option? |
| 15:42.44 | Danielss89 | -r, --system create a system account |
| 15:43.31 | jelly | Danielss89: funny, I don't see it in the manual. Maybe it doesn't really exist |
| 15:43.49 | Danielss89 | hmm ill try to delete it.. |
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| 15:44.27 | tarzeau | lontra: now? |
| 15:44.37 | tarzeau | wols: i mean the game :) |
| 15:44.39 | uyohm | vin : when I set it to autocomplete in interactive shells , it stops asking for a password when opening root terminal ...which I don't quite like ... |
| 15:44.50 | Danielss89 | jelly it says the user excist, can i see what info that user has? if its the same that i want to create the user with? |
| 15:44.58 | lontra | tarzeau, whenever ... i have the day off today ... just ping me when you want to play |
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| 15:45.19 | tarzeau | lontra: i was playing sauerbraten. let's play bub-n-bros now :) i'll make a swerver with sepcial levels |
| 15:45.39 | jelly | Danielss89: getent passwd vmail |
| 15:45.43 | tarzeau | lontra: join arena . ch levels |
| 15:45.46 | vin` | uyohm: how are you opening a root terminal? |
| 15:45.54 | jelly | Danielss89: -r and -u are mutually exclusive, it seems |
| 15:45.58 | lontra | tarzeau, ok ... give me a second |
| 15:46.00 | uyohm | vin : via the gnome/debian menu |
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| 15:47.00 | vin` | uyohm: I don't use gnome, dunno. su will ask you for the root pw eitherway |
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| 15:48.42 | uyohm | vin : ok I'll dig some more , thanks for the help |
| 15:49.26 | uyohm | vin : actually after an X restart it's fine , it does the autocomplete and asks for the pass :) yeehaw |
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| 15:53.11 | lontra | tarzeau, ok i'm coming now |
| 15:53.23 | tarzeau | lontra: great :) |
| 15:53.33 | tarzeau | any more joiners, 8 slots free, bub-n-bros.sf.net |
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| 15:54.09 | stouset | Is the dpkg file format documented anywhere? |
| 15:54.21 | stouset | Trying to write a pure Ruby implementation. |
| 15:54.52 | chops | stouset: .deb, you mean? |
| 15:54.52 | tarzeau | stouset: yes of course |
| 15:55.06 | stouset | Where? I've been searching and can't find a definitive resource. |
| 15:55.23 | renewbie | after recent `dpkg update` if I try to `apt-get install anypackage` it is asking me to remove my 'only' running kernel and install new |
| 15:55.23 | stouset | multiarch.alioth.debian.org/dpkg2.pdf doesn't actually spec out the file format. |
| 15:55.33 | renewbie | is there a way to avoid this? |
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| 15:55.56 | renewbie | I am currently using 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:55.56 | wols | tarzeau: food > games |
| 15:56.12 | cahoot | renewbie: what does it want to install instead? |
| 15:56.16 | renewbie | oops 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 15:57.01 | stew | stouset: its an ar archive of two tarballs, one is just the files that get installed in / and the other are the control files which end up in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.* |
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| 15:57.14 | stouset | stew: I understand that, but that alone isn't enough to actually write an implementation. |
| 15:57.16 | helo | anyone know how to retrieve the current system's cpuid? |
| 15:57.27 | chops | stouset: So look for documentation on the ar file format |
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| 15:57.29 | renewbie | cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/493058 |
| 15:57.31 | Danielss89 | jelly and how can i edit the user to the things ive got in the useradd command |
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| 15:57.39 | stew | stouset: what goes into the control files is documented in the debian policy manual |
| 15:58.08 | stew | stouset: what else would you need to know? |
| 15:58.29 | cahoot | renewbie: is this really a debian system? |
| 15:58.30 | lontra | tarzeau, yum |
| 15:58.41 | tarzeau | tart |
| 15:58.46 | renewbie | cahoot: yes |
| 15:58.47 | stouset | stew: As I recall from several years ago, there were a few nuances to it where you really can't just tar up some files, ar them together, and have a functioning .deb |
| 15:59.05 | jelly | Danielss89: usermod |
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| 15:59.32 | stew | renewbie: please paste the output of ' apt-cache policy libc6 '. use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:59.39 | helo | ahh, apt-get install cpuid |
| 15:59.53 | cahoot | renewbie: looks strange to that it plans to install libc6 and remove your kernel |
| 15:59.59 | stew | stouset: you can. the only thing i can think of is that the ar archive must have the 2 tarballs in a specific order |
| 16:00.07 | jelly | Danielss89: ... if I understand you correctly. You may or may not have to fix the ownerships of the files by hand if you change the uid |
| 16:00.12 | tarzeau | who is the gray dragon? |
| 16:00.27 | stouset | stew: That's what it was. |
| 16:00.27 | stew | tarzeau: ECHANN? |
| 16:00.42 | stouset | stew: Any other gotchas? |
| 16:00.55 | stouset | stew: This is why I'm looking for a comprehensive spec :) |
| 16:01.00 | stew | stouset: you should be using dpkg-deb |
| 16:01.01 | renewbie | steve: did it |
| 16:01.05 | lontra | tarzeau, i don't know |
| 16:01.07 | stew | renewbie: where? |
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| 16:01.49 | stouset | stew: dpkg-deb doesn't work on Windows. I'm trying to write a pure Ruby implementation. |
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| 16:02.21 | renewbie | stew: http://pastebin.ca/493064 |
| 16:02.26 | jelly | stouset: fwiw, dpkg (including dpkg-deb) builds nicely on cygwin |
| 16:02.39 | stew | stouset: why not? |
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| 16:03.14 | stouset | jelly: I'm trying to make this something people can use _easily_ when packaging up Ruby programs, whether they're written on Debian, Fedora, Windows, etc. |
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| 16:03.44 | stouset | jelly: Sort of a metalanguage that can be used to package up your project for multiple OSes. |
| 16:03.54 | EmleyMoor | My Debian box is refusing mail from one of my internal users who uses Outlook - it responds "Relaying denied". I run qpsmtpd and exim4 - can someone advise what I need to do? |
| 16:03.57 | stew | renewbie: your sources are pointing at 'stable' but stable recently changed from sarge to etch. you should either edit /etc/apt/sources.list and point them at 'sarge' instead of 'stable' or you should upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 16:04.07 | helo | hmm... the cpuid program doesn't seem to actually give one the cpuid |
| 16:04.13 | stew | renewbie: and you should add a security.debian.org mirror: /msg dpkg security |
| 16:04.19 | lontra | tarzeau, he he |
| 16:04.33 | tarzeau | lontra: you need to share the triangles, and make more bubbles if chest |
| 16:05.06 | uyohm | Can one list/show invisible files with ls ? |
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| 16:05.21 | lontra | tarzeau, why? |
| 16:05.22 | chops | uyohm: ls -a |
| 16:05.32 | uyohm | chops : Thank you ! |
| 16:05.33 | tarzeau | lontra: triangles make star-bonus-bubbles |
| 16:05.44 | tarzeau | lontra: bubbling an itme into a bubble, shares it with all dragons |
| 16:05.52 | stew | tarzeau: please take it to a more appropriate channel |
| 16:05.57 | chops | EmleyMoor: Check local_domains in /etc/exim/exim.conf |
| 16:06.06 | renewbie | stew: thank you |
| 16:06.19 | EmleyMoor | local_domains? It's the same one |
| 16:06.30 | chops | EmleyMoor: Or did you want your machine to forward his mail on to to outside world? |
| 16:06.37 | chops | EmleyMoor: What one is the same as what other one? |
| 16:06.50 | renewbie | stew: I did not notice that latest stable is etch |
| 16:07.25 | stew | renewbie: for this reason we recommend using project names like 'sarge' or 'etch' in sources.list instead of 'stable' |
| 16:07.29 | EmleyMoor | It is the one and only domain for which I handle mail |
| 16:07.38 | stouset | I'm currently doing the implementation by just being a frontend for debhelper, but that's not so great. |
| 16:07.41 | chops | EmleyMoor: Right, and is it in local_domains? :-) |
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| 16:07.56 | EmleyMoor | I haven't even found that yet |
| 16:08.08 | chops | EmleyMoor: What are you wanting your system to do with his mail? Accept it locally, or forward it to the appropriate external MX? |
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| 16:08.19 | Popov_ | test |
| 16:08.19 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
| 16:08.25 | chops | EmleyMoor: Which one? |
| 16:08.40 | EmleyMoor | They, to me at least, are one |
| 16:08.45 | zenwryly | if someone told me: "Okay, the tree is at... \n http://htj.dyndns.org/git/?p=libata-tj.git;a=shortlog;h=acpi \n git://htj.dyndns.org/libata-tj acpi" what git command would I use to check that out? |
| 16:09.53 | chops | EmleyMoor: To exim, at least, they are not. exim gets to define the terms of the debate in this instance. :-) |
| 16:09.53 | zenwryly | I tried "git clone git://htj.dyndns.org/libata-tj acpi" but that only checked out git://htj.dyndns.org/libata-tj into a directory called acpi |
| 16:09.53 | chops | EmleyMoor: Which thing does he try that he gets "relay access denied"? |
| 16:09.54 | chops | EmleyMoor: Is he writing mail to a third party, or to a user on your server? |
| 16:09.54 | zenwryly | I want to make sure I get the "acpi" or "h=acpi" bit |
| 16:11.04 | liable | zenwryly: thats a link to a html view of the repo |
| 16:11.04 | EmleyMoor | It must: accept all mail TO his username@this domain..., and accept all mail FROM his username @ this domain, and DO with it. At present, it does not seem to do the FROM bit |
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| 16:11.05 | chops | EmleyMoor: If you won't elaborate more on what to "DO" in your equation is, I can't help you. Sorry. |
| 16:11.05 | zenwryly | liable: yes, but the second line seemed to be a git url |
| 16:11.05 | repyskichboarder | hello can anybody help me? I'm trying to compile a C code but I get this error: |
| 16:11.05 | repyskichboarder | gcc prova.c |
| 16:11.05 | repyskichboarder | prova.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:11.05 | repyskichboarder | prova.c: In function ‘main’: |
| 16:11.05 | repyskichboarder | prova.c:5: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘printf’ |
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| 16:11.05 | EmleyMoor | Send it on to the intended recipient9 |
| 16:11.07 | athame | does the 'networkmanager' icon in gnome only deal with wireless networks? |
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| 16:11.08 | zenwryly | liable: I guess "acpi" is a "head"? |
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| 16:11.17 | stew | EmleyMoor: so you want to let anyone at all send spam using your mailserver as long as they protend to be him? |
| 16:11.19 | zenwryly | liable: how do I git checkout a head? |
| 16:11.23 | loesh|home | hmm, my iceweasel tends to die from time to time with me not touching it.. it dies forma segmemtation fault. Any clue or similiar experiences? |
| 16:11.24 | repyskichboarder | sorry |
| 16:11.28 | cahoot | athame: no |
| 16:11.35 | stew | !tell repyskichboarder about paste |
| 16:11.40 | stew | !b-e repyskichboarder |
| 16:11.40 | dpkg | repyskichboarder: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 16:11.52 | EmleyMoor | stew: Um... no... actually, I can restrict that to "within this networkW" |
| 16:11.53 | wols | EmleyMoor: smtpd_auth |
| 16:11.59 | chops | If I ask you whether the intended recipient in the case that's failing is local or remote, it'll make four times that I've asked you without getting an answer. So I won't ask. Cheers; good luck. |
| 16:12.06 | EmleyMoor | This has broken, recently |
| 16:12.06 | cahoot | athame: but to use nm you should comment out all but lo in interfaces |
| 16:12.17 | liable | zenwryly: dunno, try append .git there shouldnt be a space in the url though i think |
| 16:12.25 | athame | cahoot: where do i find the interfaces? |
| 16:12.35 | uyohm | Strrrrange ... somehow my fresh Debian Etch installation kept the files that were in the trash from my previous Ubuntu Installation , which HD I erased prior to installing Etch ... |
| 16:12.50 | cahoot | athame: it's /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:12.52 | repyskichboarder | stew, thanks |
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| 16:13.19 | EmleyMoor | OK, here's another way - I want all mail coming from within this network to be accepted |
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| 16:13.56 | athame | cahoot: what about eth0? that's my primary connectivity device at the moment. |
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| 16:14.26 | cahoot | athame: you should comment out all but lo in interfaces if you want nm to handle them |
| 16:14.29 | alper | hey guys. ive created a new user by "adduser" and ive "vsftpd" running on my system. how can i make vsftpd create a new ftp user for that directory aswell? i tried to connect to the created user via FTP client, it gave out: "Error:Can't resolve host name" |
| 16:15.00 | athame | cahoot: will nm handle them all then? |
| 16:15.04 | chops | alper: Check your DNS (try to ping the server, for example) |
| 16:15.25 | cahoot | athame: sure looks that way on my laptop |
| 16:15.37 | xq | which repository are nvidia drivers in? |
| 16:15.45 | athame | cahoot: can you look at my interfaces file please and tell me what i need to comment out? |
| 16:15.51 | athame | it lists more than just interfaces |
| 16:16.34 | cahoot | it does? |
| 16:16.39 | alper | chops the server is ok. i have other users on it running with ftp accounts for each |
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| 16:16.45 | EmleyMoor | Where in a config "in bits" do I find the bit to allow all mail from within the local network? |
| 16:17.10 | athame | cahoot: yes. it lists the ethernet dns addresses and domain information |
| 16:17.21 | h3sp4wn | xq: non-free |
| 16:17.30 | chops | alper: Can you ping the server from the specific computer that you're trying to connect as the created user from? |
| 16:17.42 | chops | alper: "Can't resolve host name" indicates a DNS problem generally |
| 16:17.59 | xq | thanks, h3sp4wn |
| 16:18.06 | cahoot | athame: well if those aren't handled by dhcp it's beyond my knowledge |
| 16:19.03 | alper | i can chops. |
| 16:19.13 | alper | i can even connect to the other users' ftp account |
| 16:19.21 | alper | but not to the latley created one's |
| 16:19.25 | athame | okay. thanks cahoot |
| 16:19.37 | chops | What exactly gave you the "Can't resolve host name" error, and where did it appear? |
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| 16:20.13 | EmleyMoor | I am seriously lost with my exim config |
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| 16:21.06 | alper | OH |
| 16:21.13 | alper | lol chops. no need |
| 16:21.27 | EmleyMoor | How do I make it accept all mail within a given network? Where in this "config in bits", do I "give"? |
| 16:21.30 | alper | i was as dumb as to put the IP in the userfield and the user name in the adress field. |
| 16:21.44 | chops | alper: Ah, PEBKAC. I know it well. |
| 16:22.04 | simonrvn | osi layer 8 problem |
| 16:22.12 | chops | simonrvn: Heh |
| 16:23.03 | EmleyMoor | If I'm running qpsmtpd, should I set exim to receive only from localhost? |
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| 16:24.36 | jelly | what's osi layer 8? wetware? |
| 16:24.43 | EmleyMoor | Can qpsmtpd refuse mail on the grounds that it appears to be being relayed? |
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| 16:26.17 | stew | jelly: yes |
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| 16:27.05 | yomm | Hi all :) |
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| 16:31.46 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: there's the dc_relay_nets option in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 16:32.31 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: or you could just run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 16:34.10 | valdyn | EmleyMoor: any mail is 'relayed' |
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| 16:35.58 | EmleyMoor | I have reconfigured and also found the allowed relay hosts list for qpsmtpd |
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| 16:38.26 | DarkCow | Hi, I have 2 debian machines both with the same Realtek RTL-8169 Gigabit ethernet card, and there's a gigabit switch in between them. They both are using Cat-5e cable, and the switch shows a green light for each computer as opposed to an orange one, which is meant to show that it's gigabit rather than only 100-mbit. However, I only get 100-mbit speeds between the two |
| 16:38.40 | zzsunkit | hi! i have a apple ( well there is an apple symbol on it) Scanner, that i want to hook up to my PC ... is that possible, it has serial port |
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| 16:39.09 | valdyn | DarkCow: what does 'mii-tool eth0' or 'ethtool eth0' show? |
| 16:39.13 | DarkCow | mii-tool -v doesn't mention any 1000base speeds |
| 16:39.17 | alper | how do i change a file's user permissions ? what was the command for it? |
| 16:39.24 | DarkCow | "negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok" |
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| 16:39.29 | DarkCow | alper, chmod |
| 16:39.30 | tarzeau | alper: chmod |
| 16:39.39 | DarkCow | heh |
| 16:40.31 | zzsunkit | !sane |
| 16:40.32 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 16:40.47 | DarkCow | ooh, interesting |
| 16:40.48 | valdyn | DarkCow: ethtool instead |
| 16:40.51 | alper | i dotn mean chmod |
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| 16:40.57 | alper | DarkCow, tarzeau |
| 16:41.11 | xomhau | hi all |
| 16:41.18 | lontra | is there something holding up icedove 2.0 from hitting sid? |
| 16:41.19 | DarkCow | setfacl? |
| 16:41.23 | alper | i mean that the user permissions shown with "ls -la" |
| 16:41.28 | DarkCow | ethtool shows both as 1000baseT/Full |
| 16:41.29 | alper | from root to another user |
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| 16:41.33 | DarkCow | chown |
| 16:41.52 | valdyn | DarkCow: look at Speed: |
| 16:42.01 | DarkCow | Speed: 1000Mb/s |
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| 16:42.17 | valdyn | DarkCow: all good then |
| 16:42.21 | DarkCow | hmm |
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| 16:42.34 | valdyn | DarkCow: which actual transfer rates are you getting using which transfer protocol? |
| 16:42.45 | DarkCow | 6.5 mbytes/s over http |
| 16:42.51 | xomhau | how to copy (remove..) into card reader(pcmcia)? |
| 16:43.03 | valdyn | DarkCow: lame |
| 16:43.05 | DarkCow | let me make a ramdisk and see how that works |
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| 16:44.41 | eat_life | how to blank out a file without removing and creating it? |
| 16:44.59 | DarkCow | "echo > file" perhaps? |
| 16:45.06 | DarkCow | that'll print a newline to it, though |
| 16:45.14 | DarkCow | "echo -n > file" maybe |
| 16:45.16 | EmleyMoor | eat_life: To what end? |
| 16:45.17 | valdyn | DarkCow: and will recreate it |
| 16:45.24 | sandman_ | Is there an effective way to resize LVM partitions? |
| 16:45.25 | valdyn | eat_life: what's the point? |
| 16:45.38 | valdyn | sandman_: effective? |
| 16:45.47 | valdyn | sandman_: you mean 'working' ? |
| 16:45.47 | eat_life | to just wipe a file but maintain it's name/permissions/ownership |
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| 16:46.14 | sandman_ | valdyn: Sure, that too |
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| 16:46.42 | valdyn | sandman_: depends on if wand which filesystem you have on that logical volume |
| 16:46.49 | valdyn | s/wand/and/ |
| 16:47.17 | xq | Do I need to do anything special after installing the NVidia drivers via Synaptic? |
| 16:47.27 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:47.28 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 16:47.28 | xq | Module-assist or anything? Or just reboot/restart X and it will find them? |
| 16:47.36 | sandman_ | valdyn: ext3 |
| 16:47.48 | wols | !tell xq about nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:48.32 | valdyn | sandman_: grow the lv, then grow the fs, or shrink the fs, then shrink the lv. Ext3 supports both. |
| 16:49.00 | sandman_ | valdyn: Okay. Not sure of what tools to use for that |
| 16:49.11 | sandman_ | So if the drive is already full |
| 16:49.14 | DarkCow | valdyn, same speeds with a ramdisk :-/ |
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| 16:49.17 | sandman_ | Then I must shrink another FS, then shrink LV |
| 16:49.34 | sandman_ | Then increase the size of the other part, then increase the size of its filesystem |
| 16:49.43 | sandman_ | Can this be done on-the-fly? Without unmounting? |
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| 16:50.57 | valdyn | sandman_: yes, on ext3 |
| 16:51.05 | DarkCow | aha |
| 16:51.23 | DarkCow | I get 14.5 MB/s over scp... |
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| 16:53.53 | dogmeat | folks, how can i display the version of the kernel module currently installed? |
| 16:54.04 | dogmeat | e.g. of the nvidia driver |
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| 16:54.06 | cahoot | modinfo |
| 16:54.09 | stew | dogmeat: /sbin/modinfo modulename |
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| 16:55.42 | nero__ | hola |
| 16:55.46 | nero__ | alguien me ayuda? |
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| 16:56.18 | h3sp4wn | dogmeat: or cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version (modprobe nvidia if its not currently loaded) |
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| 16:56.33 | nero__ | he instalado debian etch pero no consigo navegar por internet |
| 16:56.43 | en1gma | whats the dpkg command to show where it installs the dpkg |
| 16:56.44 | stew | !es |
| 16:56.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:56.46 | nero__ | he configurado correctamente el fichero interfaces pero nada |
| 16:57.01 | stew | en1gma: dpkg -L |
| 16:57.03 | en1gma | i hit dpkg tab tab and im not sure which one it |
| 16:57.06 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 16:58.55 | valdyn | sandman_: tried gparted? |
| 16:59.02 | jelly | hi, is there an easy way to update the kernel on debian-installer? |
| 16:59.14 | ma3x | when I do benchmark with apt-spy, how can I write all the output to a file? &> file.txt will only output the errors |
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| 16:59.35 | valdyn | sandman_: should do both transparently, i havent used it myself.. |
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| 17:00.01 | jelly | I'd like to install etch (lenny, really) but 2.6.18-4-* kernels have trouble detecting the cdrom on this machine |
| 17:00.04 | ma3x | hey valdyn |
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| 17:01.11 | abrotman | jelly: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
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| 17:01.30 | valdyn | sandman_: but you cant do it all w/o unmounting or rebooting anyway |
| 17:01.56 | jelly | abrotman: tee wai |
| 17:01.56 | DarkCow | ah, I think I've figured out what's wrong |
| 17:02.26 | valdyn | sandman_: uh, err, you might... i havent tried this with lvm, guess lvm might support online resizing.. unlike partitions |
| 17:02.27 | abrotman | jelly: no thanks .. i already went |
| 17:02.33 | DarkCow | the ipsec between two of my computers puts such a load on the CPU when I'm transferring big files that I only get 100-mbit speeds |
| 17:02.49 | jelly | abrotman: number two? |
| 17:02.51 | DarkCow | but I have a third computer with no ipsec, and transfers to that work fine |
| 17:02.57 | abrotman | jelly: hehe |
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| 17:04.17 | DarkCow | yeah, speeds seem to be limited by CPU rather than actual bandwidth now :-/ |
| 17:04.44 | DarkCow | ah well |
| 17:04.44 | scud_ | hello, what does type in the phrase ‘Yes, do as I say!’ actualy mean? |
| 17:04.44 | scud_ | coz it dont work |
| 17:05.10 | scud_ | this pains me .miss information |
| 17:05.53 | abrotman | jelly: will that help you ? |
| 17:06.49 | jelly | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel looks outdated, I can't find (some of?) source packages named in there |
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| 17:07.16 | jelly | abrotman: but if it worked, that would be what I was looking for, yes :-) |
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| 17:08.23 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ |
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| 17:08.50 | chops | scud_: If you have to ask, you should probably not type that phrase |
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| 17:09.19 | scud_ | chops: are trying be as cryptic? |
| 17:09.33 | chops | scud_: No, I'm being 100% honest |
| 17:10.00 | DanC | i'm outfitting a new machine. struggling to get sound to work. lspci says "00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)" |
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| 17:10.04 | DanC | any suggestions? |
| 17:10.06 | chops | scud_: What are you doing that you're trying to remove necessary packages? |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | !hcl |
| 17:10.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 17:10.19 | abrotman | eh .. the kmuto URL |
| 17:10.47 | cahoot | DanC: install alsa-utils and run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base for starters |
| 17:10.49 | scud_ | chops: i'am trying to install display drivers, ATI Radeon |
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| 17:11.00 | chops | scud_: In that case do not type that phrase |
| 17:11.11 | scud_ | i have followed numerous howto's including a wiki which failed |
| 17:11.12 | tls_81 | hello All, |
| 17:11.38 | chops | scud_: Are these display drivers binaries from ATI, or Debian-provided packages? |
| 17:11.41 | abrotman | !fgrlx one-liner |
| 17:11.44 | scud_ | 2nd install screwed MBr list goes on, half way there now tho |
| 17:11.49 | DanC | hmm... ok, cahoot, I did dpkg-reconfigure ... it exited... happy, I guess? |
| 17:11.50 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 17:11.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 17:11.57 | DanC | $ aplay -l |
| 17:11.58 | DanC | aplay: device_list:222: no soundcards found... |
| 17:11.58 | chops | scud_: What step of the process gives you that message? Feel free to use pastebin |
| 17:12.13 | scud_ | that what dpkg has just posted |
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| 17:12.17 | gubluntu | can i pass variables in an alias? i.e. alias acs='apt-cache search $1' where "acs gnome" will work? |
| 17:12.28 | scud_ | or similar to that |
| 17:12.29 | abrotman | try it and see ? |
| 17:12.44 | abrotman | gubluntu: or ask #bash |
| 17:12.50 | cahoot | DanC: a limited success I'd say |
| 17:12.51 | chops | scud_: Can you pastebin the precise command you're typing, and the full output that leads to that message? |
| 17:13.00 | tls_81 | How long on average should my jigdo download take for downloading the 3 dvd images, at approximately 900KB/s anyone know? |
| 17:13.08 | gubluntu | ive tried and it doesnt work... |
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| 17:13.34 | cahoot | DanC: this is on etch or what? |
| 17:13.35 | abrotman | then ask #bash |
| 17:13.35 | DanC | cahoot, any other clues? what was `dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base` supposed to do? |
| 17:13.35 | Szeraax | tls_81: a logn time... |
| 17:13.36 | DanC | cahoot, lenny |
| 17:13.44 | Szeraax | how big each iso? |
| 17:13.48 | Szeraax | 4.5? |
| 17:13.52 | scud_ | chops: http://rafb.net/p/lahvz621.html |
| 17:14.12 | cahoot | DanC: dpkg-recof... should set up alsa and mixer settings |
| 17:14.19 | tls_81 | Szeraax: are we talking days? or a few hours? |
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| 17:14.27 | Szeraax | should be a few hours |
| 17:14.27 | chops | scud_: Can you include the full output leading up to "Yes, do as I say", please? |
| 17:14.35 | scud_ | chops: this is the guide i'm following, http://wiki.debian.org/Manual-Howto#head-09e2f373d2dc5bca39f1a9173d6f68d2ad86a03c |
| 17:14.45 | Szeraax | have you been dl-ing for days?? |
| 17:14.49 | cahoot | DanC: but it looks like you don't even get the correct module loaded |
| 17:15.20 | cahoot | DanC: my guess is the device wants snd-hda-intel |
| 17:15.21 | chops | scud_: Also, what Debian version are you running? |
| 17:15.39 | tls_81 | k kool... not too bad... was wondering if anyone had done so recently... I am going to make a point of downloading the dvd's for every release from now on... |
| 17:15.42 | scud_ | chops: http://rafb.net/p/eArPPy75.html |
| 17:15.42 | Szeraax | tls_81: i would estimate around 3 hours (if consisant 900k dl) |
| 17:15.50 | scud_ | chops: etch 4.0 |
| 17:15.56 | Szeraax | i grabbed all the cd isos |
| 17:15.57 | scud_ | amd64 |
| 17:16.04 | tls_81 | up till now had been using netinstall disks... |
| 17:16.09 | Szeraax | took me 1.5 hours |
| 17:16.18 | Szeraax | but i was dl at 3 mb/s |
| 17:16.37 | chops | scud_: It wants to upgrade libc6... what happens if you use 'aptitude' instead of 'apt-get', or do an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' first? |
| 17:16.48 | scud_ | chops: ok |
| 17:16.56 | chops | scud_: Your system isn't 100% up-to-date is the problem (or one of them) |
| 17:16.58 | cahoot | DanC: well lspci said High Definition Audio so ... |
| 17:17.11 | DanC | `sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel` also exited silently, but `lsmod | grep snd-hda` doesn't show it loaded. |
| 17:17.20 | scud_ | that'll take a while ; ) |
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| 17:17.41 | tls_81 | Szeraax: my connection doesn't get enough time to get that fast on such small files... |
| 17:18.13 | Szeraax | tls_81: Personally, i like having them on iso so i can add any package when not hooked up to net |
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| 17:18.13 | scud_ | not realy approx 12mins not bad |
| 17:18.14 | cahoot | DanC: does /proc/asound exist? |
| 17:18.14 | Szeraax | no, i used http |
| 17:18.14 | Szeraax | actually |
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| 17:18.15 | DanC | yes, cahoot |
| 17:18.27 | cahoot | DanC: /proc/asound/cards? |
| 17:18.28 | tls_81 | had thought of the idea of doing it via http: but the debian ways is Jigdo... ;o) |
| 17:18.34 | DanC | $ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:18.34 | DanC | --- no soundcards --- |
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| 17:19.04 | cahoot | DanC: dmesg? |
| 17:19.32 | DanC | no, cahoot , I can't find anything relevant in dmesg output |
| 17:19.40 | tls_81 | which mirror did u use? |
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| 17:20.16 | dmlb2000 | Okay, any debian maintainers know a really cool script to make the debian directory diff for a particular package? |
| 17:20.31 | DanC | ah... snd_hda_intel is loaded. (why do the -'s change to _'s? go figure.) |
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| 17:20.37 | valdyn | tls_81: show your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:21.03 | ma3x | can someone help me set apache gallery? |
| 17:21.26 | cahoot | DanC: that module is under rather intensive development - might be some bug in the version supplied by your kernel |
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| 17:21.35 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 17:22.00 | tls_81 | Valdyn: not using apt-get... to download the deb ISO's... |
| 17:22.01 | yos87 | I have question, how can I remove the computer , home, Trash icons from the desktop? |
| 17:22.36 | tls_81 | gnome configuration edito.... |
| 17:22.42 | valdyn | tls_81: ops, should have been scud_ |
| 17:22.54 | scud | ? |
| 17:22.57 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 17:22.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 17:23.00 | DanC | cahoot, some googling yielded "New: Add nvidia-mcp61 chipset support to default mandriva 2.6.27". my kernel seems to be 2.6.18 . I tried looking at archives of debian kernel mailing lists, but all I see is 2.6.18 |
| 17:23.06 | tls_81 | ? |
| 17:23.20 | valdyn | scud: you're scud_ too? |
| 17:23.31 | scud | no |
| 17:23.37 | scud | i'm a different one, hmm cool |
| 17:23.52 | scud | i'm registered |
| 17:24.11 | scud | i'm also registered under scud_ |
| 17:24.21 | tls_81 | im confused... |
| 17:24.26 | tls_81 | lol |
| 17:24.28 | scud | that is not me |
| 17:24.33 | scud | but it is ok |
| 17:24.39 | valdyn | DanC: 2.6.27 does not exist |
| 17:24.48 | regulate_ | it does in the future |
| 17:24.53 | DanC | heh |
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| 17:25.15 | valdyn | end of 2008 |
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| 17:25.53 | claudio` | I've used mplayer from the virtual terminal and now when i start X11 the monitor says ``Unsupported frequency''. Should i reboot the system? |
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| 17:26.12 | helo | why is the output of 'cpuid' the same on different machines |
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| 17:26.28 | cahoot | that's dual core |
| 17:26.40 | DanC | hmm... I have a USB audio gizmo... maybe that'll work... |
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| 17:27.30 | tls_81 | good night all... thx for info ;o) |
| 17:27.46 | DanC | card 0: system [iMic USB audio system], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] |
| 17:27.54 | Szeraax | tls_81: sry, i went afk. I am in utah and used osu (oregon state university) |
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| 17:30.46 | DanC | ok, griffin iMic Just Works. that'll do for today. |
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| 17:31.02 | DanC | thanks for the clues, cahoot |
| 17:31.05 | blinx | how can I send me a tar.bz2 file via sh script with cron? |
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| 17:31.13 | blinx | I mean mailk |
| 17:31.15 | blinx | -k |
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| 17:31.18 | cahoot | DanC: np |
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| 17:31.58 | martian67 | i am trying to do an upgrade with unstable, and i get alot of broken packages, they appear to be linked to a broken python upgrade, is there anything i can do about this? |
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| 17:37.39 | martian67 | anyone? |
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| 17:38.27 | valdyn | blinx: 'mutt --help' |
| 17:38.54 | lontra | martian67, in general no one is going to help you with support on sid in here as it's presumed if you're running sid you can fix your own problems ... i'd suggest reading the mailing lists and bug reports for work arounds |
| 17:39.24 | valdyn | !tell martian67 -about ask |
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| 17:39.45 | martian67 | lontra, i mostly can, but is it safe to wait untill the package gets fixed, or is an upgrade after that going to hose my system? |
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| 17:40.09 | lontra | martian67, i can't say ... but i'd never force an update when i have broken packages |
| 17:40.16 | lontra | i mean upgrade |
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| 17:41.14 | martian67 | i am a new debian user, i dont have much experience with apt-get, but i will google around |
| 17:41.20 | stew | martian67: see #424703 |
| 17:41.25 | stew | martian67: oh, you shouldn't be running unstable then |
| 17:41.43 | martian67 | i dont want an ancient distribution either |
| 17:42.02 | stew | martian67: anyway, its fixed if you read that bug |
| 17:42.09 | martian67 | i have enough linux experience, its just im iffy on auto-resolving dependancy systems like apt-get |
| 17:42.21 | martian67 | i came from a system without them |
| 17:42.24 | valdyn | martian67: apt-get does not hose you |
| 17:42.31 | martian67 | valdyn, good |
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| 17:42.48 | valdyn | martian67: installing packages from _unstable_ though could rm -r / and you'd get to keep the pieces |
| 17:42.51 | lontra | martian67, also you should be running aptitude not apt-get |
| 17:42.57 | daquino | could i run debian as a chroot of another distrobutino ? |
| 17:42.58 | cahoot | martian67: you have listbugs installed? |
| 17:43.03 | martian67 | whats the difference? |
| 17:43.04 | valdyn | uh, apt-get is ok |
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| 17:43.31 | Christopherl_ | Can't connect to Internet anymore. |
| 17:43.31 | Christopherl_ | I have recently installed Debian on a laptop. |
| 17:43.31 | Christopherl_ | It had Windows XP before that, then Internet worked. |
| 17:43.31 | Christopherl_ | I'm connected to a LAN. |
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| 17:43.37 | valdyn | martian67: there's dependencies that apt-get fails to resolve. Aptitude will get those |
| 17:43.38 | lontra | valdyn, well afaik aptitude should be used instead of apt-get . |
| 17:43.47 | martian67 | valdyn, great |
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| 17:44.11 | valdyn | lontra: yea, i know, its recommended, but there's no risk in using apt-get, just the probability that you need to 'help' it |
| 17:44.15 | martian67 | daquino, well yes, but it wouldnt be an offical debian kernel |
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| 17:44.42 | Christopherl_ | Can't connect to Internet anymore. I have recently installed Debian on a laptop. It had Windows XP before that, then Internet worked. |
| 17:44.45 | lontra | martian67, you should install apt-listbugs at least and maybe apt-listchanges |
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| 17:44.53 | daquino | martian67: but does that really matter ? linux is linux ... correct ? |
| 17:45.01 | martian67 | daquino, yes and no |
| 17:45.07 | h3sp4wn | daquino: yes, or you could run debisn under kvm / xen / user mode linux |
| 17:45.38 | daquino | martian67: there may be features that i would need to compile in but i really just want ot use one program so i doubt i need something special... i doubt you guys have modified the kernel source ? |
| 17:45.41 | martian67 | hmm my aptitude is in japanese or something :X |
| 17:45.49 | valdyn | Christopherl_: can you come up with a better error description? |
| 17:45.51 | abrotman | we are siamese if you please .. |
| 17:45.55 | valdyn | !tell Christopherl_ -about ask |
| 17:45.58 | daquino | h3sp4wn: but chroot would be much less resource entensive no ? |
| 17:45.58 | stew | i do not please |
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| 17:46.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:46.01 | Christopherl_ | ok |
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| 17:46.47 | bonez39 | any tools to check a dvd-cd r/w drive? |
| 17:46.48 | h3sp4wn | daquino: Not much less - but slightly less |
| 17:46.53 | daquino | could i run the installation from my running distro ? |
| 17:46.57 | Christopherl_ | valdyn: What error description would you like to know? |
| 17:47.09 | Christopherl_ | I'm new |
| 17:47.10 | daquino | i just want a minimal debian |
| 17:47.12 | lontra | Christopherl_, how about what card you're using ... |
| 17:47.13 | valdyn | Christopherl_: how you installed debian. |
| 17:47.13 | h3sp4wn | daquino: You would need to build debootstrap |
| 17:47.18 | stew | daquino: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:47.23 | valdyn | Christopherl_: the output of 'uname -r' |
| 17:47.32 | Christopherl_ | ok |
| 17:47.32 | valdyn | Christopherl_: the name / type of your network card |
| 17:47.44 | h3sp4wn | daquino: (presuming the other system is not debian based) |
| 17:47.45 | lontra | Christopherl_, lspci -v to find name/type of nic |
| 17:47.59 | daquino | yes i am not on debian |
| 17:48.00 | abrotman | the -v isn'tneeded |
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| 17:48.33 | lontra | abrotman, i like the -v ok? |
| 17:48.41 | Christopherl_ | ok |
| 17:48.47 | lontra | :P |
| 17:48.52 | stew | daquino: it doesn't matter, debootstrap runs on non-debian OSes |
| 17:48.57 | valdyn | Christopherl_: read what dpkg told you, we function best following that pattern ;) |
| 17:49.01 | daquino | cool man |
| 17:49.14 | stew | its just a posix shell script |
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| 17:49.25 | daquino | what does it do ? |
| 17:49.36 | stew | daquino: installs a minimal debian in a chroot |
| 17:50.05 | daquino | oh so you gave me what i first asked for ? or you gave me a way to run the installation scripts in chroot ? |
| 17:50.34 | martian67 | lontra, wow that apt-listbugs is nice |
| 17:50.48 | stew | daquino: it doesn't run the debian installer, if that is what you are asking. it installs an unconfigured base system |
| 17:51.00 | lontra | martian67, it's slick and very *very* important if you're running sid |
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| 17:51.27 | martian67 | lontra, so when something is pending that means when it is fixed i can just run apt-get update again, and all will be well? |
| 17:51.50 | stew | martian67: no, pending means that a solution has been found, but no fix has been uploaded yet |
| 17:51.54 | martian67 | or is this going to require lower level tweaking =) |
| 17:51.58 | lontra | martian67, well you can always say yes i don't care that it has that bug ... but it will say FIXED when the bug has been fixed |
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| 17:52.30 | lontra | martian67, see stew's comment ^^^ |
| 17:52.30 | daquino | ok so its not running hte debian installer like it would from a regular cd... your just giving me a base system that i could chroot into and start processing and treat as a mini-debian ? |
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| 17:52.46 | valdyn | daquino: right |
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| 17:52.58 | valdyn | daquino: without the mini |
| 17:52.58 | martian67 | lontra, yea i assumed that, but what i ment was when it is FIXED, i should be able to run apt-get update without havok being reeked correct? |
| 17:53.16 | stew | martian67: no |
| 17:53.17 | lontra | martian67, yes unless there is another bug that you get to be the first to discover ;) |
| 17:53.25 | martian67 | sweet =) |
| 17:53.45 | martian67 | valdyn, yes i understand the nature of unstable, and i know things can go wrong at any time |
| 17:53.50 | stew | martian67: that just menas that that particular bug is known to be fixed. who knows what other not yet discovered or reported bugs might be lurking though |
| 17:53.52 | lontra | havok is only not reeked if you run stable ... though most of the time testing is havok free too |
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| 17:54.15 | martian67 | i am not expecting a total 100% all the time working system, just wondering if apt-get is smart enough to figure it out when things are fixed |
| 17:54.19 | stew | martian67: its not |
| 17:54.37 | martian67 | =) |
| 17:54.49 | martian67 | my kind of system, yay for mailing lists ;) |
| 17:54.56 | valdyn | martian67: you can carelessly run apt-get upgrade usually, you need to pay attention when running dist-upgrade to not get packages you need removed |
| 17:54.58 | lontra | martian67, really you should run aptitude ... imo ... and just not dist-upgrade all the time ... sid should be pretty unstable right now as etch was just released and everyone wants nice programs to tinker with and break |
| 17:55.18 | valdyn | martian67: you can do anything against installing new bugs ( ones that arent listed in apt-listbugs output ) |
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| 17:55.24 | valdyn | s/can/cant/ |
| 17:55.30 | martian67 | hmmm |
| 17:55.32 | lontra | martian67, i'd recommend not dist-upgrading very often right now |
| 17:55.38 | martian67 | ok |
| 17:55.47 | pmvalente | hello, I'm trying to install a debian server that do the same as Win 2003 server do with Active Directory, such client authentication and client profiles |
| 17:55.57 | stew | i'd recommend reinstalling and not using unstable |
| 17:56.18 | martian67 | stew, i can handle it, we all learn |
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| 17:56.19 | lontra | martian67, you could use testing always |
| 17:56.36 | martian67 | isnt sid pretty much equivilent to testing right now? |
| 17:56.45 | h3sp4wn | No |
| 17:56.53 | stew | martian67: no, especially not until the libc6 transition |
| 17:56.53 | lontra | martian67, nope ... testing is more stable |
| 17:56.56 | h3sp4wn | Most of the new stuff is held up |
| 17:57.14 | daquino | cool so i can pretty much do anything that i could do with debian from that base debian ? ... is this really really base ? i mean like no extra packages ? |
| 17:57.16 | valdyn | martian67: sid is ok for learning, there's no overwhelming amount of issues. Up to you if you have the time to fix each. |
| 17:57.34 | valdyn | martian67: ( or wait for a fix for each ) |
| 17:57.40 | stew | daquino: yes. but once you have base installed, you can install any other packages you want inside the chroot |
| 17:57.43 | martian67 | i can dig it |
| 17:57.49 | efaistos | is it possible that strace doesnt return any output on a process ? |
| 17:57.52 | daquino | yea using apt-get right ? |
| 17:58.00 | stew | daquino: yes, but aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
| 17:58.00 | daquino | could i eventually just boot off of this chroot ? |
| 17:58.23 | lontra | martian67, fyi ... it's just worth restating again ... sid isn't supported here or anywhere that i know of (maybe sidux) |
| 17:58.25 | stew | daquino: yes, you'd have to setup a bootloader and /etc/fstab, /etc/hostname |
| 17:58.41 | stew | daquino: and set a root password |
| 17:58.51 | lontra | martian67, otherwise have fun |
| 17:59.02 | stew | sidux is not debian |
| 17:59.05 | daquino | oh so its not really setup to be self sufficient ? |
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| 17:59.16 | daquino | i mean i dont mind putting this on its own partition ... |
| 17:59.25 | martian67 | lontra, i wont need handholding, im pretty self sufficent, just needed a little info on apt-get |
| 17:59.26 | lontra | stew, i know ... but they use sid directly and if one wants to run sid it's probably more stable than sid directly |
| 17:59.37 | stew | daquino: correct. it is an unconfigured base system. /etc/network/interfaces is another thing you'd have to setup |
| 18:00.00 | stew | lontra: so they use their own mirrors? |
| 18:00.01 | daquino | ok ok lets step back... what if i wanted to setup a virtualized debian as if it was a real system on another partition ? |
| 18:00.10 | martian67 | yay python update has been upstreamed |
| 18:00.19 | martian67 | now for more bugs =) |
| 18:00.21 | pmvalente | hello, I'm trying to install a debian server that do the same as Win 2003 server do with Active Directory, such client authentication and client profiles |
| 18:00.32 | stew | daquino: use debootstrap, then configure the chroot |
| 18:00.35 | valdyn | daquino: you mean a virtualised hardware? |
| 18:00.41 | lontra | stew, i think they have one of their own repositories (for quicker sid fixes) and they use all the official debian repos in a default setup |
| 18:00.51 | stew | lontra: then it can't be more stable |
| 18:00.58 | daquino | yea like i want the debian system to be virtualized right next to the system im using right now |
| 18:01.09 | lontra | stew, well they have one of their own repositories that does provide quicker bug fixes |
| 18:01.15 | stew | lontra: in fact that sounds like it is less stable, since you get the changes from sid, and the changes from them |
| 18:01.21 | martian67 | lontra, thanks for the advice |
| 18:01.33 | valdyn | daquino: for that you need a virtualisation system for your OS, xen, qemu, vmware,uml, whatever |
| 18:01.42 | lontra | stew, ok ... i don't use sidux ... i'm running testing |
| 18:02.05 | daquino | well uml lets me boot up another linux partition while i have one running allready correct ? |
| 18:02.16 | h3sp4wn | Their fixes consists of pulling packages out of incoming and putting them in there repo |
| 18:02.21 | valdyn | daquino: you're confusing yourself with your wrong terms |
| 18:02.32 | valdyn | daquino: kernels or oses boot |
| 18:02.48 | valdyn | daquino: a chroot system is as real as the primary system |
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| 18:03.08 | h3sp4wn | less hacky than kanotix but still pretty pointless (and sidux hates aptitude for some unknown reason) |
| 18:03.08 | daquino | why cause i said "partition" ? |
| 18:03.14 | valdyn | daquino: yea |
| 18:03.18 | penguin | Why an Iceape and IceWeasel? |
| 18:03.25 | stew | penguin: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 18:03.41 | martian67 | chroot on linux is pretty poor and security issue prone, if you need a system like that, check out FBSD jails |
| 18:03.42 | daquino | yes i know that... but i mean i want it to be independant... it seems a bit funy to have your distro embedded in a folder and chrooting it self... you know what im trying to say ? |
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| 18:04.02 | valdyn | daquino: though that is exactly what is done when you boot your primary system |
| 18:04.05 | stew | !why iceweasel =~ s,#354622,http://bugs.debian.org/354622, |
| 18:04.05 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 18:04.18 | daquino | anyway i would like to instal debian self sufficient on another partition and then boot it it up while im in my main distro |
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| 18:04.33 | daquino | valdyn: lol yea i know... but you still "know" what im tryin to say ... |
| 18:04.38 | valdyn | daquino: i cant guide thru picking a virtualisation solutions, theres quite a few as i listed above |
| 18:04.46 | h3sp4wn | martian67: Fine as long as there is nothing running as root in it |
| 18:04.50 | valdyn | daquino: yea, guessed you want virtual hardware |
| 18:05.21 | daquino | yes but xen requires me booting into xen first and all this stuff... i dont want this box running 2 os's for ever... i might comletely migrate to debian one step at a time im not sure yet... if uml lets me boot it up while im in my linux id use that first |
| 18:05.27 | irule | I install etch on a pc it all wotks except for ethernet, a via-rhine vt6105, the card is detected BUT there is a "Transmit Time Out" error, ok so a cheap nic will not get in the way, so there I go and buy a die hard realtek 8139 card, and to my surprise "modprobe 8139too" gives no error BUT "ifconfig eth0" says there is no device found! WTF? |
| 18:05.31 | pmvalente | hello, I'm trying to install a debian server that do the same as Win 2003 server do with Active Directory, such client authentication and client profiles |
| 18:05.36 | valdyn | daquino: so use qemu |
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| 18:05.54 | daquino | well at first i just wanted a chroot... i might still try that first... but i dont wnat to waste my time i also want a full install so i can virtualize it if desired |
| 18:06.10 | daquino | why is qemu better than uml ? |
| 18:06.20 | h3sp4wn | Its alot slower than uml |
| 18:06.25 | valdyn | daquino: who said 'better' ? |
| 18:06.36 | daquino | so why you asking me to use it ? |
| 18:06.51 | valdyn | daquino: qemu is easy to deal with including gfx, just slow |
| 18:07.04 | daquino | gfx... i dont need no graphics |
| 18:07.09 | Elrohir | when we put rules in iptables, if we reboot, the rules have disapeared ? |
| 18:07.15 | stew | Elrohir: yes |
| 18:07.24 | daquino | Elrohir: its in memory not in some magick place |
| 18:07.31 | stew | Elrohir: if you want to save them, look at iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 18:07.42 | martian67 | or just write a startup script |
| 18:07.53 | Elrohir | i have bloqued my server with iptables (i droped ssh packets.... :-/) |
| 18:07.55 | martian67 | its less prone to propgiating errors |
| 18:08.06 | valdyn | daquino: uml is something entirelyt different, as it runs linux as a task, there's no virtual hardware, only linux kernel that runs as a task in 'real' linux |
| 18:08.45 | daquino | so what are my options for running the installer without rebooting ... im actually using a blade system and i really dotn feel like openeing it up to hook up a cdrom to the ide2... i want to keep working while i have debian installing on another partition |
| 18:09.23 | Elrohir | sod, i can't connect to it... |
| 18:12.09 | martian67 | daquino, look into debian bootstrap like somone else said |
| 18:12.27 | martian67 | and install it on a different partition |
| 18:12.27 | daquino | valdyn: holly crap ? really ? so then ... idk much about how the boot process works ... but ... does the linux in a process then some how attach to a distro you have it configured to work with ... idk ... ? |
| 18:12.28 | Elrohir | and i reboot harware it, and ssh is already blocked... |
| 18:12.28 | valdyn | daquino: that's the problem, ydk what you need and want an answer including what is better for you |
| 18:12.29 | valdyn | daquino: just try qemu is what i said already though |
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| 18:12.30 | daquino | hmmm i allways thought there was something that just let me boot another distro while one was running... vmware is crap and bulky i dont want to run it... and if qemu is slow idk whats great about that either... and if uml is just for playign with kernels... then i might as well attack xen.. hwich is something i allways wanted to do |
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| 18:12.32 | Elrohir | anybody could ask to me ? :) |
| 18:12.32 | daquino | i think i remember reading that debian had a xen configured kernel righ t? |
| 18:12.33 | Anthro | [OT] I believe Google Talk is now connected to the wider Jabber network. Does anyone have a non-Google Jabber account they'd like to give me so I can test it? |
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| 18:12.34 | stew | Elrohir: if you can't login remotely, you'll have to get someone to login locally |
| 18:12.35 | daquino | Anthro: just make one |
| 18:12.35 | valdyn | Anthro: uh? make one yourself? |
| 18:12.36 | Anthro | valdyn, daquino: Mm, yeah, okay. |
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| 18:12.43 | Elrohir | but it's not normal that the rules have been saved ? |
| 18:12.44 | valdyn | Anthro: jabber.org, its fast |
| 18:12.45 | Octopssy | does anyone know how come hidden files dont get transferred when doing 'scp -r usr@ip:/dir/ ./' ? |
| 18:12.54 | Anthro | valdyn: Yup, doing it now |
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| 18:13.13 | tarzeau | Octopssy: you mean dot files? |
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| 18:14.23 | Octopssy | yes |
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| 18:14.54 | wide_awake | Hi there. |
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| 18:15.08 | wihen | how do i perform a system wide update? |
| 18:15.12 | wide_awake | How can I tell apt to leave a package exactly as it is (ie. never upgrade it)? |
| 18:15.19 | valdyn | !hold |
| 18:15.19 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 18:15.36 | wols | wihen: man aptitude ? |
| 18:15.42 | dashs | Why must libfam0 be removed to install xfce4? |
| 18:15.54 | wihen | wols: is aptitude the only way? |
| 18:16.02 | wols | no. |
| 18:16.05 | wols | !tell wihen about grounding |
| 18:16.44 | valdyn | dashs is gamin or libgamin being installed instead? |
| 18:16.46 | wide_awake | thanks |
| 18:17.54 | dashs | valdyn: yes |
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| 18:18.14 | valdyn | dashs: provides the same functionality, you cant have both installed |
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| 18:18.49 | valdyn | dashs: you should be able to exchange fam for gamin, but why bother.. |
| 18:18.52 | dashs | valdyn: which means xfce4 is mutually exclusive with kde, etc. |
| 18:19.30 | Anthro | valdyn, daquino: If you were interested, the answer is that, yes, Google Talk and Jabber are now connected. Nice! |
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| 18:19.32 | valdyn | dashs: nah, its just a complex dependency situation that has a funny resolution in this case |
| 18:19.33 | stew | dashs: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:19.47 | dashs | stew: etch |
| 18:19.58 | stew | (i don't seem anything xfce related in apt-cache rdepends libfam0) |
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| 18:21.03 | wide_awake | valdyn, does the "'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' " method of setting a hold 'stick' across reboot etc. |
| 18:21.04 | wide_awake | ? |
| 18:21.07 | dashs | stew: when i apt-get install xfce4 -- libfam0 is on the remove q |
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| 18:21.58 | stew | dashs: when i run "aptitude -s install xfce4 kde" on etch it seems to find a solution to install both at the same time |
| 18:22.09 | nvz | dashs: probably because you didnt have fam installed |
| 18:22.27 | pseudoshroom | How can I run a NPTL incompatible binary in etch? |
| 18:22.32 | dashs | nvz: prob. |
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| 18:23.24 | Octopssy | Does anyone know how I mv files from dir to dir (hidden files) ? |
| 18:23.45 | nvz | Octopssy: mv src dst |
| 18:23.45 | dashs | stew: don't want to remove kde fro re-install, though. |
| 18:23.53 | stew | Octopssy: mv file1 file2 file3 destdir |
| 18:24.02 | Octopssy | mv src dst |
| 18:24.04 | Octopssy | wont move hidden files |
| 18:24.13 | stew | Octopssy: what do you mean by a hidden file then? |
| 18:24.19 | Octopssy | .Mail for example |
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| 18:24.24 | Octopssy | hidden dir |
| 18:24.25 | Octopssy | ! |
| 18:24.26 | Octopssy | sry |
| 18:24.32 | stew | Octopssy: yes, mv will move it as long as you have permission to do so |
| 18:24.38 | stew | dashs: "aptitude install xfce4 kde" |
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| 18:24.59 | stew | dashs: (i dunno who said anythign about removing kde) |
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| 18:25.11 | Brian_R | I try to install or remove any package using any package configuration tool (dpkg, apt-get, aptitude) and it goes through normally, until a line comes up: "(Reading Database..." |
| 18:25.15 | stew | Octopssy: do you get an error when trying to move .Mail? |
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| 18:25.35 | stew | Brian_R: and then what happens? |
| 18:25.37 | Brian_R | It stops at 'reading database', no disk activity, nothing. |
| 18:25.53 | Brian_R | I'm on Debian 4 Stable. |
| 18:26.02 | stew | Brian_R: does "aptitude update" succeed? |
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| 18:26.05 | dashs | stew: Hey, I'm a Rockies fan, I assumed the worst. |
| 18:26.40 | Brian_R | Stew: hold, checking |
| 18:26.40 | stew | i haven't followed. is that like being a cubs fan? |
| 18:26.45 | Brian_R | I know 'apt-get update' does. |
| 18:26.57 | stew | Brian_R: yeah, same thing |
| 18:27.01 | Brian_R | Ah. |
| 18:27.07 | stew | Brian_R: you might strace it and see what it is doing when it gets stuck |
| 18:27.16 | dashs | stew: without the stigma of an 8 decade losing tradition. |
| 18:27.33 | Brian_R | I don't have strace ('man strace' says no man entry.) |
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| 18:29.43 | Brian_R | Stew: 'which strace' comes up empty too |
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| 18:30.58 | Octopssy | How come if I do scp -r usr@ip:/home/dir/* ./ it doesnt copy .hidden dirs? |
| 18:31.10 | tarzeau | Octopssy: * is not .* |
| 18:31.27 | Octopssy | ah |
| 18:31.30 | Octopssy | sry |
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| 18:31.47 | tarzeau | !sry |
| 18:31.47 | dpkg | somebody said sry was Sorry, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY |
| 18:31.54 | Octopssy | !!! |
| 18:31.54 | shay | o rly |
| 18:31.54 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 18:32.00 | tarzeau | !rly |
| 18:32.02 | Brian_R | Shay: AOLspeak for sorry. |
| 18:32.10 | darth_chatri | i cant see google videos in iceweasel |
| 18:32.11 | shay | I was being sarcastic |
| 18:32.15 | xand | orly? |
| 18:32.17 | abrotman | darth_chatri: is flash installed ? |
| 18:32.19 | dashs | nvz,stew: aptitude still says it wants to remove libfam0. |
| 18:32.20 | shay | yehrly |
| 18:32.24 | xingu | and associates |
| 18:32.25 | Brian_R | O'Reilly? |
| 18:32.33 | abrotman | shay: you haven't been around in awhile |
| 18:32.41 | stew | dashs: what is the problem with that? |
| 18:32.42 | shay | abrotman, :) |
| 18:32.47 | shay | abrotman, what's up? |
| 18:32.50 | darth_chatri | abrotman, flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 18:32.51 | abrotman | WORK! |
| 18:32.56 | tarzeau | shay: http://omg.istheshit.net/ |
| 18:32.56 | abrotman | darth_chatri: that's one way .. yes |
| 18:33.07 | xand | abrotman: you dont work! |
| 18:33.16 | dashs | stew: nothing as long as kde apps still run... |
| 18:33.22 | darth_chatri | well, yeah, it downloaded the plugin and i installed it in /usr/lib/iceweasel |
| 18:33.48 | abrotman | xand: i do .. in fact .. today i'm fighting with an MSSQL based application :) |
| 18:33.51 | Octopssy | tae |
| 18:33.56 | sbk | folks -- I'm currently using fetchmail to access (via IMAP) an outlook server |
| 18:33.58 | Octopssy | tarzeau: How do I copy both? |
| 18:34.02 | abrotman | darth_chatri: you mean in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ ? |
| 18:34.10 | sbk | I'm stymied on how to access the calendar facilities via debian |
| 18:34.10 | tarzeau | Octopssy: copy * and .* :) |
| 18:34.16 | darth_chatri | the default was /usr/lib/mozilla, i changed that to iceweasel |
| 18:34.19 | tarzeau | Octopssy: or use rsync -av :) |
| 18:34.24 | xand | abrotman: ew |
| 18:34.27 | tarzeau | xingu: i wants one too! |
| 18:34.31 | darth_chatri | abrotman, i think the installer wants the installation directory |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | well .. it would be okay if the darn thing would work :) |
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| 18:34.45 | abrotman | darth_chatri: doubtful .. but okay :) |
| 18:34.52 | abrotman | darth_chatri: or you could install it the way i do :) |
| 18:34.57 | Octopssy | tarzeau: Can I copy both in one line? |
| 18:35.18 | rahul | hrm |
| 18:35.21 | rahul | !seen stoned |
| 18:35.21 | dpkg | stoned <~stoned@cpe-24-193-147-226.nyc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16h 12m 3s ago, saying: 'fortega: read this wiki page please'. |
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| 18:35.29 | tarzeau | Octopssy: i can |
| 18:35.40 | Brian_R | Stew: I don't have strace. Anything else that would work? Just fire off names of programs, and let's hope I have them -- I cannot install or remove any packages currently |
| 18:35.49 | darth_chatri | abrotman, how is that? |
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| 18:36.07 | abrotman | darth_chatri: get it from adobe.com ... extract it .. manually put the .so where you need it .. restart your browser :) |
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| 18:36.24 | Brian_R | Stew: Think 'lsof' output for dpkg's pid will help? |
| 18:36.42 | darth_chatri | abrotman, i have the libflashplayer.so, where does it go? |
| 18:36.46 | rahul | that's all? |
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| 18:36.51 | abrotman | in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:37.10 | stew | Brian_R: i dunno. i assume you have let it run for a sufficiently long time? |
| 18:37.20 | Brian_R | It's been running for ~10min |
| 18:37.31 | Brian_R | And that's definitely not normal. |
| 18:37.38 | Brian_R | ... even for my pathetic laptop |
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| 18:37.57 | Octopssy | tarzeau: How? |
| 18:38.05 | darth_chatri | abrotman, still nothing. its transfering data, but i cant see anything on screen |
| 18:38.05 | rahul | I think I drank an eighth last night |
| 18:38.08 | tarzeau | Octopssy: man scp |
| 18:38.18 | abrotman | darth_chatri: about:plugins .. do you see it listed ? |
| 18:38.34 | darth_chatri | yes |
| 18:38.38 | xingu | Brian_R: anything going on in vmstat 1 ? |
| 18:38.47 | abrotman | darth_chatri: AFAIK .. that should be it then |
| 18:38.55 | stew | Brian_R: you could try temporarily replacing /var/lib/dpkg/status from the backup status file in /var/backups |
| 18:38.56 | darth_chatri | in fact there are 2 |
| 18:39.13 | Brian_R | Xingu: Checking. |
| 18:39.37 | dashs | thanx |
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| 18:39.42 | abrotman | darth_chatri: eh .. that can't be good |
| 18:39.51 | Brian_R | Stew: Checking. |
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| 18:40.08 | rosaschwarzenbac | hello, can somebody take a look at my dmesg and /etc/sane.d/apple.conf and tell me what i am doing wrong |
| 18:40.20 | dreckslord_ | hi, can somebody help me with an ethernet bridge? i want wlan0 and eth0 have the same ip as br0 like on my old box |
| 18:40.20 | rosaschwarzenbac | http://paste.debian.net/28196 |
| 18:40.27 | dreckslord_ | but i cant remember how i did it |
| 18:40.29 | darth_chatri | abrotman, there is a flashplayer.xpt in there as well |
| 18:40.33 | rahul | whoa disco emo |
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| 18:41.02 | Brian_R | Stew: I have 'dpkg.status.[1-6].gz' and dpkg.status.0 |
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| 18:43.06 | Brian_R | I'll try copying the most recent one (from 2007/05/12 15:40) |
| 18:43.26 | stew | Brian_R: save the current one before overwriting it |
| 18:43.45 | Brian_R | I did. |
| 18:44.02 | darth_chatri | abrotman, got it. the old plugin in the .mozilla directory was causing the problem |
| 18:44.36 | Brian_R | And I have disk activity on 'reading database' |
| 18:44.39 | dreckslord_ | hi, can somebody help me with an ethernet bridge? i want wlan0 and eth0 have the same ip as br0 like on my old box |
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| 18:44.48 | Brian_R | ... not anymore |
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| 18:45.20 | Danielss89 | hmm jelly how did i change the uid to 150 |
| 18:45.23 | Danielss89 | for the user vmail |
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| 18:45.58 | Octopssy | tarzeau: Sorry, but I really can't find it in the man file. |
| 18:46.54 | Brian_R | Is there a way to simply rebuild the database? |
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| 18:47.27 | Brian_R | I assume the 'status' file *is* the database? |
| 18:48.09 | tarzeau | Brian_R: using dselect ? |
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| 18:48.55 | Brian_R | Tarzeau: Reading man dselect now |
| 18:48.57 | stew | Brian_R: how long ago was the last time this was working |
| 18:49.29 | stew | Brian_R: there are ways ot fix it, (if the status file is even the problem) but you should try all the backups first |
| 18:49.35 | tarzeau | Octopssy: have you ever searched google images for octopussy? |
| 18:49.39 | scud_ | hello, i'm expericening problems installing the generated .debs using the proprietry ATI driver, http://rafb.net/p/LirF4O36.html ?? |
| 18:49.53 | Brian_R | First time I noticed problems was this morning at 9:30 my time |
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| 18:51.14 | Brian_R | Tarzeau: I can't find anything in the manpage about rebuilding the database. |
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| 18:51.18 | NetNiet | After a kernel image install and a reboor i get /usr/sbin./termwrap: No such file ... apt-cache has no info on this file ... is there a fix ? |
| 18:51.19 | Octopssy | tarzeau: :o |
| 18:51.42 | tarzeau | Brian_R: just run dselect , it's one of the first 3 menu entries |
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| 18:53.19 | NetNiet | Ha ... i check my other machine and is it hasn't a termwrap .. so this is from a old install |
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| 18:53.46 | Brian_R | Tarzeau: Okay, I'm in dselect, and the first three are: access, update,and select |
| 18:53.53 | tarzeau | Brian_R: update |
| 18:54.02 | tarzeau | Brian_R: first remove the old db file |
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| 18:54.06 | Lacrymology | excuse me, how do I add http://software.opensuse.org/download/openSUSE:/Tools/Debian_Etch/ to the sources file? |
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| 18:54.20 | w0rd54 | anyone here use cpan and etch? |
| 18:54.27 | w0rd54 | I'm having issues installing ZLIB:compression with etch ;\ |
| 18:54.51 | w0rd54 | fresh install....tried using CPAN and then also the deb package and no luck :\ |
| 18:54.55 | w0rd54 | still complains of a make error.... |
| 18:55.08 | stew | w0rd54: aptitude install libcompress-zlib-perl |
| 18:55.09 | w0rd54 | I did a "minimal" install first time around so I feel like I'm missing something |
| 18:55.24 | w0rd54 | stew: did that already ;\ |
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| 18:55.35 | stew | w0rd54: then why are you trying to install it from CPAN too? |
| 18:55.43 | penguin | How to remove a printer? |
| 18:55.43 | Brian_R | Tarzeau: Info about (18k) packages was update |
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| 18:56.10 | w0rd54 | stew: when I install via install Bundle::CPAN |
| 18:56.13 | w0rd54 | it complains about it |
| 18:56.25 | tarzeau | Brian_R: is it fixed now? |
| 18:56.27 | stew | w0rd54: in general you shouldn't use CPAN in debian. either the module will already be pacakged, (as is the case here), or you should be using dh_make_perl |
| 18:56.36 | w0rd54 | hrm.... |
| 18:56.36 | stew | w0rd54: why are you trying to install it via CPAN? |
| 18:56.44 | w0rd54 | stew: trying to use assp w/debian |
| 18:57.01 | w0rd54 | following a guide on this....so this is unexplored territory for me |
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| 18:57.22 | penguin | WHere is the printer information at? |
| 18:57.35 | stew | w0rd54: there is no reason to install a module from cpan if you have already installed it via aptitude. |
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| 18:57.58 | Brian_R | Tarzeau: Tarzeau: No. |
| 18:58.19 | w0rd54 | stew: ok.... ;\ I'm going to apt-get all required modules if I can....I assumed cpan had more updated libs |
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| 18:58.43 | stew | w0rd54: well in any case, you shouldn't be using CPAN directly, but using dh-make-perl |
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| 18:59.15 | w0rd54 | stew: do you know of a good way to reset perl back to it's factory defaults? I think that after I ran into CPAN it's fucked some things up ;\ |
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| 18:59.29 | h3sp4wn | w0rd54: If you really want to use CPAN you can install perl from source into /usr/local |
| 18:59.41 | w0rd54 | h3sp4wn: not really, I don't want to use CPAN |
| 18:59.46 | w0rd54 | I just want to get assp working |
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| 19:00.05 | robin_sz | perl -MCPAN -e shell |
| 19:00.10 | stew | w0rd54: i don't know, i would assume that CPAN comes with some remove functionality |
| 19:00.32 | AntiIni1 | help. I have amd64 system, i need to do a dist upgrade but Im confused about my sources list. can i point to a normal debian repository or do i need to use a special /debian-amd64/debian/ dir ? |
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| 19:01.23 | stew | AntiIni1: what version are you running now? |
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| 19:02.41 | AntiIni1 | sarge |
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| 19:02.48 | stew | AntiIni1: amd64 is in the official repositories now, so you don't need a special directory |
| 19:02.52 | stew | AntiIni1: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:03.03 | AntiIni1 | updating from deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 19:03.11 | w0rd54 | stew: thanks for advice |
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| 19:03.12 | w0rd54 | got it going now |
| 19:03.14 | Brian_R | Stew, Tarzeau: No go after using dselect |
| 19:03.18 | w0rd54 | nice! |
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| 19:05.31 | Brian_R | Stew, Tarzeau: I'm quite tempted to simply extract strace from the debs and try to run it as is. but that'd munge the packaging system up, wouldn't it? |
| 19:05.52 | tarzeau | Brian_R: no idea, i wonder how you can make so much troubles |
| 19:05.57 | magical_trevsky | anyone know an equivalent to festival that supports french text to speech? |
| 19:05.58 | Seb | hi y'all |
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| 19:06.02 | loesh|home | hmm, my iceweasel tends to die from time to time with me not touching it.. it dies forma segmemtation fault. Any clue or similiar experiences? |
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| 19:06.20 | stew | loesh|home: try disabling all of your extensions |
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| 19:06.59 | stew | Brian_R: no, that should be safe, you should just make sure to actually install the strace pacakge with dpkg after you get it fixed |
| 19:07.17 | Brian_R | Stew: Alright. Installing strace to my homedir now |
| 19:07.25 | Seb | so fglrx is still borken with sid's latest xorg ? |
| 19:08.15 | tarzeau | Seb: ati fglrx is perma broken |
| 19:08.38 | Seb | tarzeau: you know what I meant, please don't start some non-free flamewar |
| 19:08.47 | h3sp4wn | Seb: Yep (last working one is xserver-xorg-core 1.2-6 or something like that) |
| 19:08.55 | Seb | h3sp4wn: ok, thanks :) |
| 19:08.59 | h3sp4wn | snapshot.debian.net (experimental) |
| 19:09.02 | tarzeau | Seb: i'm serious, their drivers crash x, crash linux and are severely buggy |
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| 19:09.10 | tarzeau | Seb: other than that, i've never had troubles installing them |
| 19:09.20 | tarzeau | Seb: don't whine about sid, you know that |
| 19:09.22 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 19:09.22 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:09.23 | Seb | tarzeau: they don't ever crash for me, and performance is awesome |
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| 19:09.30 | Seb | tarzeau: i ain't whining, I'm asking |
| 19:09.31 | tarzeau | Seb: nice for you |
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| 19:10.05 | Seb | tarzeau: are you having a bad day today, maybe ? |
| 19:10.14 | tarzeau | Seb: no, i just don't like ati |
| 19:10.24 | Brian_R | Stew: What information will you need from the strace/ |
| 19:10.39 | Seb | tarzeau: that's what I meant; you have a personal disklike for it. THat's fine if you make sure you keep that feeling for yourself unless specifically asked about it. |
| 19:10.47 | stew | Brian_R: anything after where it spits out "Reading Database" |
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| 19:11.11 | tarzeau | Seb: you triggered my comments, the dislike has the reasons mentioned above |
| 19:11.20 | Brian_R | So just 'strace -o /root/file apt-get install package' should work? |
| 19:11.22 | tarzeau | Seb: other than that, it's off-topic, since it's not in debian |
| 19:11.27 | tarzeau | Seb: so just go to #ati |
| 19:11.29 | Brian_R | and give you the info you need? |
| 19:11.33 | Skaag | i'm trying to upgrade an old debian 3.1 box (stable), and it wants to remove the running kernel... what gives? |
| 19:11.43 | Skaag | the running kernel is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:11.45 | pickcoder | missing meta package |
| 19:11.50 | pickcoder | ^^ Skaag |
| 19:11.53 | Skaag | how do I fix this? |
| 19:12.01 | stew | Brian_R: add a -f |
| 19:12.12 | pickcoder | I don't remember the meta package name at the moment.. maybe someone can save me? |
| 19:12.12 | Seb | tarzeau: pool/non-free/f/fglrx-driver/fglrx-kernel-src_8.28.8-4_i386.deb. So it is. Make sure you double-check before opening your mouth. And don't get started on how non-free is not debian. |
| 19:12.13 | Brian_R | As an arg to strace, or apt-get? |
| 19:12.18 | stew | Brian_R: strace |
| 19:12.21 | tarzeau | Seb: non-free is not debian |
| 19:12.23 | stew | Skaag: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 19:12.31 | jelly | Skaag: I think release notes for etch handle that issue |
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| 19:12.43 | Skaag | ah |
| 19:12.44 | Seb | tarzeau: there, you win -> shitcanned |
| 19:12.46 | Skaag | dpkg did not message me |
| 19:12.55 | stew | Skaag: msg it |
| 19:13.02 | tarzeau | Seb: once you get it to work again, we can do some fragging in sauerbraten |
| 19:13.16 | Skaag | ah cool, thanks guys |
| 19:13.42 | Brian_R | Stew: How long should I let it wait? |
| 19:15.49 | stew | Brian_R: not long |
| 19:15.49 | Seb | tarzeau: will do, and right after that I'll advocate your debian application |
| 19:15.50 | Seb | h3sp4wn: do you know where i can read on this odd versioning schema that is breaking a few things |
| 19:15.50 | penguin | What is the website to get to cups? |
| 19:15.50 | Seb | penguin: localhost:631 |
| 19:15.51 | penguin | This printer thingy doesnt work right |
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| 19:16.45 | h3sp4wn | Seb: X -version (that is all I know about it) now it says X Window System Version 1.3.0 - it used to be of the form 7.x.x.x or something |
| 19:16.58 | notes-fauna | hehehe |
| 19:17.08 | Brian_R | Stew: looking for that Reading Databases line |
| 19:17.10 | notes-fauna | I took the Distribution Chooser test and it told me Debian is best for me. |
| 19:17.11 | notes-fauna | http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php?firsttime=true |
| 19:17.12 | h3sp4wn | Seb: xserver-xorg-core_1.2.0-6 (that is the one that works old format) |
| 19:17.15 | Seb | h3sp4wn: yeah, I'm wondering why it is so |
| 19:17.22 | Seb | h3sp4wn: i mean why the new versioning |
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| 19:17.37 | h3sp4wn | Seb: because there is an update to xrandr (prior to xorg 7.3) |
| 19:17.37 | stew | Brian_R: if you have somewhere you can just upload the whole file, just do that, http://pastebin.ca/upload.php might let you, but it might be too big |
| 19:17.57 | Seb | h3sp4wn: hmmm |
| 19:18.01 | Brian_R | Stew: it's 1.7M |
| 19:18.17 | Brian_R | Can pastebin take gzipped files? |
| 19:18.24 | h3sp4wn | Seb: http://keithp.com/blog/randr_1.2_update.html |
| 19:18.28 | tarzeau | Seb: really i don't care, i know i won't find an advocate (been told so) |
| 19:18.43 | tarzeau | Seb: so it doesn't matter, as long as i can frag you a bit in sauerbraten |
| 19:18.44 | stew | Brian_R: doubt it |
| 19:19.02 | h3sp4wn | Seb: Was not ready for the release of xorg 7.2 |
| 19:19.07 | Brian_R | Stew: I'll just drop it on a site I have upload access to then. |
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| 19:19.12 | Seb | h3sp4wn: thx |
| 19:19.19 | Seb | tarzeau: why won't you find one ? |
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| 19:21.20 | Skaag | oh god the etch release notes upgrade section looks like preparation for a NASA liftoff |
| 19:21.52 | stew | Skaag: if you follow it, you'll have less chance of crash and burn than with a NASA liftoff, however |
| 19:22.04 | Skaag | yah that's for sure |
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| 19:22.50 | tarzeau | Seb: is this a serious question or another under the belt hit? |
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| 19:23.22 | tarzeau | Seb: you know social skills and sympathy isn't my strength (like i don't give a shit on them) |
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| 19:23.42 | tarzeau | Seb: that can make you look like an ass, even if you aren't one |
| 19:24.34 | irule | I install etch on a pc it all wotks except for ethernet, a via-rhine vt6105, the card is detected BUT there is a "Transmit Time Out" error, ok so a cheap nic will not get in the way, so there I go and buy a die hard realtek 8139 card, and to my surprise "modprobe 8139too" gives no error BUT "ifconfig eth0" says there is no device found! WTF? |
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| 19:25.08 | winn2 | are you sure it is eth0 not eth1 |
| 19:26.03 | irule | winn2 yes I am sur ........then, I just reinstalled etch, it detects my new lan card, it installs correctly and fair enough a few seconds after booted up? TRANSMIT TIMED OUT! WWWWWTTTFFFFFFFFFF????????????????????? |
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| 19:26.48 | penguin | cups website works alot better than GNOME thingy |
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| 19:26.52 | khaleel5000 | Hi , from where i can get an etch package for torr |
| 19:26.54 | khaleel5000 | tor* |
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| 19:28.25 | winn2 | check your cable? |
| 19:28.32 | don_armstrong | !+info tor etch |
| 19:28.33 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:28.36 | dpkg | Package 'tor' does not exist. |
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| 19:29.38 | irule | winn2 I inbstalled kernel 2.4 from sarge, reboot into it, and it works correctly |
| 19:30.26 | irule | I am worrying that I had the same problem with etch 2.6 kernel plus a via nic and a realtek 8139 |
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| 19:32.06 | Kronuz | hey, in ssh, how do I open a remote graphical program in my local X server? |
| 19:32.06 | Kronuz | (if that makes any sense) |
| 19:32.06 | rahul | Just Do It. |
| 19:32.06 | AntiIni1 | help |
| 19:32.11 | rahul | the -X parameter to ssh might help |
| 19:32.18 | Kronuz | oh... |
| 19:32.54 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 19:32.55 | AntiIni1 | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 19:32.55 | AntiIni1 | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 19:32.55 | AntiIni1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:32.55 | AntiIni1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.55 | AntiIni1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:32.55 | eisen | irule: maybe it helps to turn off autonegotiation for the nic |
| 19:34.07 | Kronuz | rahul: and then what, I just call the program? do I have to setup the DISPLAY environment variable or anything beforehand? |
| 19:34.17 | irule | eisen how is that done? |
| 19:34.18 | rahul | no |
| 19:34.25 | rahul | Kronuz: with the right params, ssh will set that up for you |
| 19:34.34 | Kronuz | oh, I see |
| 19:34.40 | Kronuz | ... it's taking ages tho' |
| 19:34.57 | rahul | it can be really bad over a high-latency link |
| 19:35.05 | rahul | X is a chatty protocol |
| 19:35.30 | Kronuz | maybe I should use vnc instead or something of the like |
| 19:35.30 | rahul | maybe |
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| 19:35.54 | sepski | Kronuz, if you have a slow link ssh -C -X might be better |
| 19:36.04 | Kronuz | well... the gnome-calculator opened fine... but firefox is taking too long |
| 19:36.27 | sepski | Kronuz, and you might want to use freenx over vnc if you have a slow link |
| 19:36.31 | eisen | irule: check out ethtool |
| 19:36.44 | rahul | -C might slow it down more |
| 19:36.45 | sepski | Kronuz, keep in mind you can only run 1 firefox. as the same user |
| 19:36.52 | rahul | since it introduces even MORE latency |
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| 19:36.58 | sepski | if you have it running on the machine allready it wont run twice |
| 19:37.23 | eisen | irule: ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off |
| 19:37.24 | xingu | !freenx |
| 19:37.24 | dpkg | methinks freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 19:37.46 | irule | I get the error message NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timed does this look like s propper response? http://hostap.epitest.fi/hostap/2002-03/0260.html |
| 19:37.57 | irule | eisen Ill try it right now |
| 19:38.20 | eisen | irule: it's a shot in the dark though. |
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| 19:39.09 | Octopssy | lost connection |
| 19:39.11 | Octopssy | when attempting to copy some dir on a remote shell to home |
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| 19:39.29 | Kronuz | okay, thanks |
| 19:39.33 | Octopssy | scp: error: unexpected filename: .. |
| 19:39.37 | Kronuz | thanks rahul, it worked :) |
| 19:39.38 | Octopssy | Does anone know where this is caused by? |
| 19:39.40 | Octopssy | when i do: |
| 19:39.44 | Octopssy | scp -r ./* ./.* usr@ip:/home/dir/ |
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| 19:40.44 | rahul | np |
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| 19:43.28 | blaamann_home | Is sgml-common renamed in Etch ? |
| 19:44.14 | microtux | Octopssy, i think that you don't need to specify ./.* because ./* is sufficient |
| 19:44.44 | Octopssy | no it isn't |
| 19:45.05 | Octopssy | ./* =! ./.* |
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| 19:46.04 | microtux | Octopssy, i know but if you say ./* it will consider also hidden files&dirs |
| 19:46.13 | microtux | isn't it? |
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| 19:47.07 | Octopssy | no cause if u do for example rm -rf ./* it only takes not hidden files and dirs |
| 19:47.37 | MaximusBrood | Is there a way to purge the data from apt-cache. So I can "apt-get update" and see all the packages from one source? |
| 19:48.20 | microtux | Octopssy, ah yeah |
| 19:48.44 | valdyn | MaximusBrood: apt-cache does not even have its own data |
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| 19:48.55 | Octopssy | so anyone have got a clue where the error |
| 19:49.02 | Octopssy | scp: error: unexpected filename: .. |
| 19:49.08 | Octopssy | lost connection |
| 19:49.14 | irule | where is this changeable? it looks like make menuconfig, or not? "processor type and features-> local APIC support on uniprocesors" |
| 19:49.14 | xand | Octopssy: * doesn't match . (hidden) files |
| 19:49.17 | Octopssy | comes from when executing |
| 19:49.23 | Octopssy | scp -r ./* ./.* usr@ip:/home/dir/ |
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| 19:49.30 | valdyn | irule: right, kernel config |
| 19:49.33 | MaximusBrood | valdyn: I actually meant the data gathered when you execute apt-get update |
| 19:49.42 | irule | grrr |
| 19:49.47 | valdyn | MaximusBrood: that's reset everytime you run apt-get update |
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| 19:50.24 | MaximusBrood | valdyn: Ah, that's what I needed to know. Thanks. |
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| 19:50.56 | Octopssy | xand: got any idea? |
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| 19:51.22 | fanti | does anyone know where to find unofficial XGL .deb packages? |
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| 19:52.15 | uyohm | Hi , Bittornado is not saving its preferences on Etch .. always reverts back to the default port settings etc... (I set up iptables port forwarding on 8 ports ) , any clues or similar experiences ? |
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| 19:52.30 | valdyn | irule: do you get this error on a wlan interface too? |
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| 19:52.45 | abrotman | !tell fanti about xgl |
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| 19:52.50 | abrotman | fanti: you can't use aiglx ? |
| 19:52.55 | nethenson | hello |
| 19:53.10 | valdyn | fanti: aiglx is currently the better solution if you have a supported gfx card |
| 19:53.33 | fanti | uhm i guess aigl doesn't work with fglrx ati drivers? |
| 19:53.41 | valdyn | fanti: correct |
| 19:54.36 | valdyn | uyohm: isnt bittornado purely used via commandline? |
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| 19:54.54 | valdyn | uyohm: ... so not even supposed to save anything concerning config? |
| 19:55.00 | uyohm | valdyn : bittornada has a gui package as well |
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| 19:55.41 | irule | valdyn no, this is local lan, a via-rhine and an 8139too |
| 19:55.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you play sauerbraten? |
| 19:56.00 | valdyn | irule: ignore the error if its only that error message bothering you |
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| 19:56.19 | valdyn | irule: technically this can be driver bug or a faulty cabling |
| 19:56.38 | valdyn | irule: however if its rare enough it doesnt affect anything seriously |
| 19:56.41 | irule | valdyn it is not just an error message, a ping says host unreachable from in to out and vice versa |
| 19:56.51 | valdyn | irule: ok, check cabling |
| 19:57.17 | irule | valdyn cabling? evenbetter, a 2.4 kernel from sarge works perfectly |
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| 19:57.44 | valdyn | irule: good to know, so its some kind of kernel bug. |
| 19:58.02 | |DuReX| | how do i check what debian version i have installed ? |
| 19:58.04 | valdyn | irule: uname -r |
| 19:58.10 | xand | !version |
| 19:58.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 19:58.28 | xand | |DuReX|: |
| 19:58.31 | xand | ^ |
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| 19:58.33 | valdyn | irule: error happens on both sides? |
| 19:58.33 | irule | valdyn it is in spanish but the clue is in english read that, please, maybe you can confirm or something http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2002/12/msg00997.html |
| 19:58.46 | Octopssy | xand: You got any idea how I could do it ? |
| 19:59.12 | |DuReX| | pfft :( i'm having debian amd64 installed since sarge (the unstable) |
| 19:59.16 | |DuReX| | but having problems :( |
| 19:59.24 | irule | valdyn yes error happens both sides, it says it should disable processor type and features-> local APIC support on uniprocesors |
| 19:59.26 | |DuReX| | ls[7609]: segfault at 0000000000515008 rip 00002b0179ecc67d rsp 00007fff30bdd5d0 error 4 |
| 19:59.30 | |DuReX| | crappy segfaults :s |
| 19:59.32 | valdyn | irule: the clue is about fixing interrupt assignments / issues |
| 19:59.39 | valdyn | irule: as apic is your |
| 19:59.40 | valdyn | !apic |
| 19:59.41 | dpkg | somebody said apic was an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
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| 19:59.51 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/28081 |
| 19:59.54 | |DuReX| | crash :s |
| 20:00.06 | valdyn | irule: you can disable apic on the kernel command line ( in grub or lilo ) |
| 20:00.17 | irule | really? how? |
| 20:00.21 | |DuReX| | any id how to fix this shit ? i'm getting pissed on it :) |
| 20:00.23 | valdyn | irule: or switch the pic slot for the card, or change interrupt assignment in bios |
| 20:00.26 | irule | I am using grub |
| 20:00.29 | valdyn | irule: any of these can work |
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| 20:00.55 | xand | Octopssy: tar the directory and then scp it? |
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| 20:01.28 | irule | Ill try that, thanks |
| 20:01.36 | valdyn | irule: in grubs menu, when booting, select your kernel ( cursor keys, as you probably always do ), hit 'E' for edit, change the kernel line by adding "pci=noapic", hit B to boot |
| 20:01.40 | |DuReX| | can maby somebody help me ? :( |
| 20:01.45 | roland | do i need to change my /etc/resolv.conf if i run my own dns server for my registered domain ? |
| 20:01.52 | roland | or can i use the isps nameservers |
| 20:01.54 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/28081 <- any id how to resolve this crash ? |
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| 20:02.32 | valdyn | irule: some bioses allow interrupt assignments too |
| 20:03.18 | irule | irule great, BIOS will take time to browse arrounds heh |
| 20:03.23 | valdyn | irule: and some pci devices just are broken and fucking with each other depending on where they are located pysically |
| 20:04.59 | valdyn | irule: changing kernel config is not required, does the same as the kernel command line thingie |
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| 20:05.24 | Octopssy | xand: Yes, thats a solution, but i wanted to know how to it the other way |
| 20:06.13 | pickcoder | Octopssy: ./.* is including the .. directory entry which you can't transfer |
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| 20:06.51 | valdyn | Octopssy: rsync over ssh |
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| 20:07.26 | valdyn | roland: both works |
| 20:07.40 | valdyn | roland: the one with faster response times is obviously better |
| 20:07.57 | roland | wich would be my own nameserver |
| 20:08.11 | roland | wich has less overhead because it only servers my domains |
| 20:08.12 | roland | huh |
| 20:08.22 | roland | and it can do faster lookups? |
| 20:08.39 | NetNiet | on my etch the mount -t msdos does not work .. is that normal ? |
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| 20:08.52 | valdyn | |DuReX|: restore from backup or use a livecd to run that xfs repair tool |
| 20:09.01 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: does mount -t vfat work ? |
| 20:09.09 | NetNiet | mom |
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| 20:09.37 | roland | P III 450 mhz and 64 ram is good enough for being a decent openmosix / beowulf cluster node, i wont run X on it at all , and dont expect to run any serious apps, just use several machines for a load balancing cluster , i use those machines because i can get really cheap , like 15 usd |
| 20:09.44 | valdyn | |DuReX|: oh and check your hardware, this can be anything from hardware issues to kernel bug |
| 20:09.46 | roland | and run debian 4 |
| 20:10.02 | NetNiet | h3sp4wn: unknown filesystem |
| 20:10.17 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: debian kernel ? |
| 20:11.21 | |DuReX| | valdyn: my xfs isn't root filesystem, so i can unmount & repair, but it doesn't solve the problem |
| 20:11.34 | valdyn | |DuReX|: it didnt solve the problem? |
| 20:11.37 | |DuReX| | nop :( |
| 20:11.41 | |DuReX| | its still crashing |
| 20:11.44 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt (works for me - usb flash drive) |
| 20:11.48 | |DuReX| | well 'crashing' |
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| 20:11.50 | NetNiet | h3sp4wn: well ? allmost "2.6.11.12-xen0" is that the problem ? |
| 20:11.51 | valdyn | |DuReX|: are you using a known unstable kernel? |
| 20:12.04 | |DuReX| | getting extremely high loads, and then i need to reboot with reboot -f |
| 20:12.10 | valdyn | |DuReX|: ls crashing is just your ls being broken |
| 20:12.18 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: possibly - you could try modprobe vfat first |
| 20:12.21 | valdyn | |DuReX|: high loads can occur when you filesystem gets stuck |
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| 20:12.29 | |DuReX| | valdyn: having same problemes with all kernels since 2.6.10 |
| 20:12.29 | |DuReX| | :s |
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| 20:12.37 | |DuReX| | and that was the first i used on the system :p |
| 20:12.40 | valdyn | |DuReX|: ok, i blame your hardware |
| 20:12.51 | trpr | is there a way to command dpkg/apt-get to retrieve the dependencies for a single downloaded .deb? |
| 20:13.03 | valdyn | |DuReX|: not the harddrive |
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| 20:13.09 | NetNiet | h3sp4wn: will gif i a try ... thx |
| 20:13.17 | |DuReX| | and that ls crashing is also weird :s |
| 20:13.31 | valdyn | |DuReX|: that is only an artifact of your system crashing |
| 20:13.31 | userrr | hey guys, what architecture should i choose if i want to install linux on intel core 2 duo? |
| 20:13.36 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/28082 <- got this error also once :s |
| 20:13.39 | robin_sz | probably the a broken librarian |
| 20:13.52 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: That is very old - there are much newer xen kernel's in etch (and on backports.org for sarge) |
| 20:14.07 | valdyn | |DuReX|: and ls or libraries being broken in the process, or serious hardware breakage ( but that wouldnt only break ls ) |
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| 20:14.32 | valdyn | |DuReX|: ok, more hardware issues |
| 20:14.40 | valdyn | |DuReX|: you can try 'memtest86' |
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| 20:15.06 | |DuReX| | u think its memory issue ? |
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| 20:15.18 | valdyn | |DuReX|: its an easy to verify hardware defect |
| 20:15.40 | trpr | at the moment I can attempt to install the single deb, then after it fails open something like synaptic up and have it detect the broken package and then fetch the deps. this seems like a cludgy workaround when all i really want is to fetch deps for a single deb (on filesystem) |
| 20:15.49 | NetNiet | h3sp4wn: O pls advice ... i checked apt-cache but coukld not determen the right one .... I this a allmost frech install ... sarge cd and then a dist-upgrade .. what should i take then ? |
| 20:15.54 | valdyn | |DuReX|: i wouldnt know how to verify a loose pci pin or somesuch |
| 20:15.58 | drewh | greetings....I am trying to add a new runit service and when I run ps I see fatal: unable to lock supervise/lock: |
| 20:16.01 | pickcoder | |DuReX|: have you considered that your rockport driver may be flawed? |
| 20:16.12 | drewh | perms are the same as other services...any suggestions? |
| 20:16.16 | |DuReX| | pickcoder, i surely did |
| 20:16.27 | |DuReX| | i'm using their latest version |
| 20:16.31 | valdyn | pickcoder: his used alot of kernels.. all the same issue |
| 20:16.43 | valdyn | he's |
| 20:16.44 | |DuReX| | and mailed them also to ask if it could be a bug |
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| 20:16.47 | |DuReX| | but they didn't fix ofc :) |
| 20:16.51 | pickcoder | then it must be either the hardware or the driver |
| 20:17.00 | pickcoder | if several kernal version do the same thing |
| 20:17.07 | pickcoder | logically, anyway |
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| 20:17.23 | valdyn | |DuReX|: your last paste has no link to your disks or disk controller |
| 20:17.42 | pickcoder | it's strange that the error popped out of the driver segment |
| 20:17.44 | acg | excuse my ignorance but what does debian mean? |
| 20:17.51 | acg | I was pointed here for help with c++ |
| 20:17.52 | valdyn | !debian |
| 20:17.53 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 20:18.02 | MaximusBrood | I'm trying to install php5-cgi with aptitude, but when I press G to install the package, it says: "No packages are scheduled to be installed, removed, or upgraded". How can I install php5-cgi? |
| 20:18.05 | valdyn | acg: Debora / Ian Murduck = Debian |
| 20:18.07 | _r1_ | hi |
| 20:18.08 | userrr | hey guys, what architecture should i choose if i want to install debian on intel core 2 duo? |
| 20:18.10 | _r1_ | someone's knowing a good genealogy tree application which provides html pages ? |
| 20:18.14 | pickcoder | sorry.. High Point driver |
| 20:18.15 | acg | oh it's an os |
| 20:18.18 | valdyn | oh, Murdock |
| 20:18.24 | |DuReX| | userrr: i386 |
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| 20:18.54 | valdyn | acg: how'd you get here? sorting channels by popularity? |
| 20:19.04 | |DuReX| | btw is there a way to check bios version in linux ? |
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| 20:19.18 | valdyn | userrr: 386 if you have to ask |
| 20:19.19 | acg | valdyn, someone suggested it |
| 20:19.20 | acg | for help |
| 20:19.31 | pickcoder | I guess if it was a kernel bug under xfs, then putting another FS on the same hardware would demonstrate that |
| 20:19.37 | acg | he suggested I get VS2k5 Express for a c++ compiler |
| 20:19.44 | acg | oh that was someone else actually :/ |
| 20:19.46 | valdyn | userrr: amd64 if you want and know about possible issues and your specific needs |
| 20:19.50 | userrr | |DuReX|thnx |
| 20:20.02 | pickcoder | |DuReX|: dmidecode |
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| 20:20.44 | valdyn | userrr: though issues are probably few now as flash works just fine |
| 20:21.10 | |DuReX| | pickcoder: i ran ext3 before, and i doubt i had this problems before ... :) |
| 20:21.39 | valdyn | |DuReX|: xfs is know to be ok, as far as i know |
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| 20:21.49 | valdyn | |DuReX|: its issue is specific and not related to what you're seeing |
| 20:22.09 | |DuReX| | maby it fucks up on amd64 :) i dunno :) |
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| 20:22.17 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: Not sure don't know where the 2.6.11 xen kernel came from (and what hypervisor you are using) |
| 20:22.24 | userrr | valdyn thnx fir the unfo. wonder if i can run both i386 and have libs for adm64 too |
| 20:22.32 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: I use 2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
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| 20:22.44 | valdyn | userrr: you can run anything on debian /amd64 |
| 20:22.53 | valdyn | userrr: you cant on debian/386 |
| 20:23.05 | Brian_R | Anyone good at interpeting stack traces? |
| 20:23.09 | valdyn | userrr: its just a little inconvenient even on debian/amd64 |
| 20:23.49 | valdyn | !tell Brian_R -about ask |
| 20:23.54 | Rapp | hi. what do i have to do to get cd-rom automounting via udev/hald/... running in etch? i never set this up myself, only know this from opensuse, where it is installed by default. i installed udev, hald, avahi et al, added my user to the plugdev group, but still, no automount; kde notices the new medium, but complains with the following message: |
| 20:23.56 | userrr | valdyn tehn gentoo perhpas instead? :) |
| 20:24.02 | Rapp | "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file" |
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| 20:24.10 | PhockouS | Hello ! =) |
| 20:24.20 | userrr | valdyn you mean inconvenient because can't mix? |
| 20:24.20 | valdyn | userrr: no, not really, gentoo is alot more convenient using only very basic software |
| 20:24.29 | valdyn | userrr: no, because it needs work |
| 20:24.54 | valdyn | userrr: you want to get work done, not spend your whole time managing the box, right? |
| 20:25.03 | PhockouS | Can someone tell me - can I add a wine repo ( default eth ) for debian lenny ? =) |
| 20:25.29 | jduggan_ | Rapp: areyou in the cdrom group? |
| 20:25.29 | NetNiet | h3sp4wn: I'm doing a new install on a new machine following a howto ... but can start over from my sarge cd and use the 2.6.28-4-xen ... can i do this direct from the sarge install or should i first to a dst-upgrade to etch ? |
| 20:25.29 | valdyn | userrr: ops, that convenient in gentoo meant "INconvenient" |
| 20:25.31 | Brian_R | http://obsi.beoch.net/strace.tar is an strace that Stew told me to take when I try to install any package. I think he said something about hte answer lies in there, but I can't interpet stack traces for the life of me :) |
| 20:26.03 | Rapp | jduggan_, yes, i am |
| 20:26.04 | PhockouS | I can't ? :-/ |
| 20:26.08 | Rapp | i am in cdrom and plugdev |
| 20:26.38 | userrr | valdyn if i get i386 can i conver the distro into amd64 later? |
| 20:26.41 | valdyn | PhockouS: wine debs are at winehq.com, get your information there |
| 20:26.47 | valdyn | userrr: no |
| 20:26.48 | PhockouS | I know |
| 20:26.54 | PhockouS | but there is repo for Debian |
| 20:26.57 | PhockouS | but only for eth |
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| 20:27.20 | |DuReX| | can't find bios version, crap |
| 20:27.30 | PhockouS | and I don't know I can install it |
| 20:27.39 | h3sp4wn | NetNiet: Why can you not just start with etch ? |
| 20:27.45 | userrr | valdyn how's the flash under amd64 now? |
| 20:27.47 | valdyn | PhockouS: you can try with dpkg -i file.deb on those packages |
| 20:27.52 | valdyn | userrr: it works |
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| 20:28.01 | dokma | ppl, I have ISP that disconnects my adsl router connection every 24 hours. I would like to write a simKD318-MUIple script that restarts my router if connection goes down. Now, there is no obvious way to do this. Router is Kasda KD318-MUI and there is a way to restart it through the web interface. Now, I was wondering, is there a way to record what the router and browser are communicating... |
| 20:28.02 | PhockouS | for packages for eth ? :-> |
| 20:28.03 | dokma | ...while I am doing the restart procedure and then record this and somehow simulate it? I could easily check if the connection is up by pinging some reliable servers and if the connection is down I would replay the reboot conversation to the router and thats it. Any hints on what to look for in order to achieve something like this? |
| 20:28.07 | NetNiet | then i will have to burn a new CD .... i hate CD's |
| 20:28.15 | valdyn | userrr: there's a wrapper plugin for 32bit plugins in 64bit browsers |
| 20:28.32 | valdyn | userrr: nspluginwrapper - A wrapper to run Netscape plugins on other architectures |
| 20:28.50 | Rapp | hm, i CAN do pmount /dev/scd0... |
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| 20:29.06 | Rapp | pff... well, i use that for now, but it sucks a bit, that kde cannot mount it. :-) |
| 20:29.14 | PhockouS | Is it a problem when I install Eth wine on Debian lenny ? :-> |
| 20:29.30 | valdyn | dokma: why cant your router relogin by itself? |
| 20:29.44 | dokma | valdyn I guess it is too stupid |
| 20:29.50 | valdyn | dokma: i cant imagine such trash to exist.. |
| 20:29.54 | valdyn | dokma: check its config? |
| 20:30.03 | userrr | valdyn anything else i should be aware of? |
| 20:30.07 | dokma | I checked every letter in the interface |
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| 20:30.14 | dokma | amasingly enough no such thing |
| 20:30.27 | |DuReX| | is there an awdflash for linux ? |
| 20:30.34 | dokma | it's the cheapo that comes together with the adsl account |
| 20:30.47 | dokma | so you can imagine the quality |
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| 20:30.55 | valdyn | dokma: ok, you can use tcpdump for instance |
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| 20:31.27 | valdyn | dokma: you can use 'expect' to react to specific content |
| 20:31.30 | dokma | is that what will help me record what the router and browser are communicating ? |
| 20:31.36 | benuski | this is prolly a dumb question, but which port should i use if i'm going to run a core 2 duo? the amd64 or the IA-64? |
| 20:31.45 | h3sp4wn | !ia64 |
| 20:31.45 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
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| 20:31.52 | valdyn | dokma: yes |
| 20:31.57 | dokma | great! |
| 20:32.17 | Brian_R | Query me if you've looked at the stack trace |
| 20:32.21 | dokma | do you have an idea how to replay it after I record it? |
| 20:32.27 | benuski | thanks h3sp4wn |
| 20:32.36 | valdyn | dokma: wireshark too, but that's a complex beast with gui you sure dont want to have running all day for that job |
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| 20:33.07 | dokma | I'll dig into tcpdump |
| 20:33.10 | valdyn | dokma: uh? you use pipes, you dont write stuff to disk |
| 20:33.17 | dokma | sounds like a basic linux tool I should know |
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| 20:33.55 | dokma | well it is not crystal clear to me how to simulate the conversation where I pretend to be the router |
| 20:34.10 | dokma | if I am doing it from let's say a php or bash script |
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| 20:34.20 | dokma | pretend to be the browser |
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| 20:34.21 | dokma | that is |
| 20:34.29 | valdyn | dokma: how do you figure a link broke? |
| 20:34.35 | dokma | ping |
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| 20:35.15 | DaveyB_ | What application does Debian Have that is similar/equal to dreamweaver? |
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| 20:35.31 | NetNiet | h3sp4wn: installing xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 now ... thx |
| 20:35.45 | valdyn | dokma: ok, forget about tcpdump, you dont need that |
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| 20:36.27 | NetNiet | h3sp4wn: it also triggers xen-utils-common .. thats what i was missing |
| 20:36.29 | dokma | ok I'm listening |
| 20:36.32 | valdyn | dokma: you just need ping/expect/wget to POST or somesuch |
| 20:36.33 | whazilla | hey |
| 20:36.38 | whazilla | im havin issues |
| 20:36.45 | whazilla | connecting my debian box |
| 20:37.00 | lepton | whazilla: specifics? |
| 20:37.04 | whazilla | my otehr pc's work tho :$ |
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| 20:37.17 | whazilla | ifconfig shows a current dhcp lease |
| 20:37.22 | whazilla | but no connection |
| 20:37.26 | foo | err, why the heck does installing a newer kernel in my upgrade from sarge to etch install lilo. |
| 20:37.27 | dokma | let me see |
| 20:37.28 | whazilla | with xchat or http |
| 20:37.30 | jvm_ | hello! how can i create a fake serial port and link it with a real one over network to another computer? |
| 20:37.35 | dokma | I'll get back to you |
| 20:37.50 | lepton | whazilla: can you ping the nameserver? |
| 20:38.05 | whazilla | i can connect to router |
| 20:38.09 | whazilla | that i tried |
| 20:38.19 | whazilla | didnt ping nameserver |
| 20:38.27 | lepton | whazilla: are names being resolved to IP #'s ? |
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| 20:38.45 | DaveyB_ | Anyone? |
| 20:39.36 | karsten | DaveyB_: He just stepped out. |
| 20:39.50 | DaveyB_ | karsten, ho ho ho |
| 20:39.55 | whazilla | lepton it says connect: Network is unreachable |
| 20:40.06 | karsten | DaveyB_: apt-cache search html editor |
| 20:40.11 | valdyn | DaveyB_: screem ? |
| 20:40.25 | lepton | whazilla: is eth0 the interface in question? |
| 20:40.28 | valdyn | DaveyB_: and quanta |
| 20:40.29 | whazilla | lepton yes names are resolved to ip becuz when i enter freenode.net it shows an ip in xchat |
| 20:40.41 | whazilla | eth0 is the interface :) |
| 20:40.53 | lepton | whazilla: sounds like you don't have a default gateway |
| 20:41.10 | DaveyB_ | TThanks |
| 20:41.43 | karsten | whazilla: net checks: media, interface, link, local network config, route, default gateway, forwarding on gateway (as needed), DNS resolution. |
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| 20:42.05 | karsten | whazilla: media == cables or wireless or whatever else is connecting you to your gateway / router. |
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| 20:42.32 | lepton | whazilla: does /sbin/route -n print the IP of your router? |
| 20:43.07 | karsten | DaveyB_: GIYF: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dreamweaver+linux&btnG=Search turns up http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Linux-answer-Dreamweaver-ftopict396228.html http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread96013.html http://osdir.com/Article3344.phtml |
| 20:43.23 | chops | whazilla: Can you pastebin the output of 'route -n' and 'cat /etc/network/interfaces'? |
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| 20:43.46 | whazilla | lepton some bogus ip |
| 20:43.51 | userrr | why just not check route -v |
| 20:44.07 | Bogus8 | whazilla: please don't take my name in vain ;) |
| 20:44.12 | whazilla | 169.254.0.0 |
| 20:44.31 | whazilla | u are not Bogus u are Bogus88 |
| 20:44.32 | karsten | DaveyB_: ttree, nvu, amaya, htp, bluefish, vim/emacs (or any other editor with an HTML mode), Mozilla's composer, iceape, screem, |
| 20:44.34 | lepton | whazilla: try (as root) 'ifdown eth0' then "ifup eth0" |
| 20:44.50 | karsten | lepton: 'ifconfig <if> down' is more robust. |
| 20:44.55 | Bogus8 | whazilla: only because some false god has stolen my nick |
| 20:45.16 | whazilla | thkx lepton |
| 20:45.20 | lepton | karsten: one step at a time |
| 20:45.32 | whazilla | gods <.< |
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| 20:45.53 | karsten | lepton: OK. I'm keeping out of it, just an FYI. |
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| 20:46.00 | lepton | I had 'ifconfig eth0 down' in my back pocket. |
| 20:46.05 | karsten | DaveyB_: Or run dreamwaver via wine. |
| 20:46.18 | karsten | lepton: ... happy to see me? |
| 20:47.18 | shingouz | when i show up here just to see if you guys are fighting, i see sometihng resembling a sunday :) |
| 20:47.30 | foo | hmm, and the upgrade from sarge->etch installs exim too. Bah. |
| 20:48.15 | xand | shingouz: wear sunglasses next time. |
| 20:48.23 | shingouz | xand: i *always* wear sunglasses |
| 20:48.29 | xand | :o |
| 20:48.31 | whazilla | lepton still no ping to nameserver :$ |
| 20:48.41 | shingouz | well... not when taking a shower |
| 20:48.51 | whazilla | lol |
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| 20:49.31 | whazilla | any more clues ? |
| 20:49.37 | uyohm | off-topic or what ... :) |
| 20:49.41 | whazilla | eth0.conf ? |
| 20:49.45 | lepton | whazilla: please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces (as already suggested above) and report back. |
| 20:49.56 | shingouz | whazilla: just an idea but are you sure your isp lets you use multiple ip's? |
| 20:50.07 | lepton | and check cables as karsten suggested |
| 20:50.32 | whazilla | allow-hotplug eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 20:50.43 | whazilla | shingouz no |
| 20:50.48 | whazilla | i have a router |
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| 20:51.10 | whazilla | ca&bles are connected i can see router page |
| 20:51.50 | lepton | whazilla: can you pastebin the 'ifup eth0' output? |
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| 20:52.17 | whazilla | and suddenly it decided to work o_0 |
| 20:52.26 | whazilla | when editing interfaces |
| 20:52.30 | whazilla | not logical ! |
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| 20:53.22 | lepton | whazilla: yeah, but it's debian. just leave it up forever. ;-) |
| 20:54.04 | whazilla | lol |
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| 20:54.18 | itchi | I still get W: unsupported proxy `false' is there already a way to fix this? |
| 20:54.27 | karsten | lepton: 'ifconfig -a; route -n; more /etc/resolv.conf /etc/host | cat; host www.google.com; mtr -ntrc4 64.233.161.147 |
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| 20:54.37 | valdyn | itchi: how did you set your proxy to 'false' ? |
| 20:54.40 | itchi | oeps. When i install some stuff |
| 20:54.43 | itchi | valdyn: I not did that |
| 20:54.47 | karsten | lepton: Should be a pretty good general debug report. |
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| 20:54.53 | itchi | valdyn: At least, not that i know |
| 20:54.58 | valdyn | itchi: echo $http_proxy |
| 20:55.13 | itchi | valdyn: Empty |
| 20:55.16 | rayode | i'm having problems with an external monitor with a windows notebook. |
| 20:55.24 | rayode | anyone help? |
| 20:55.39 | valdyn | itchi: that err is from apt-get? |
| 20:55.45 | itchi | valdyn: aptitude |
| 20:55.55 | Skoal | anyone know of a good apt managing tool that will tell me packages ive installed and let me manage them? |
| 20:55.56 | karsten | dpkg: quick network check is try running (and pastebinning): ifconfig -a; route -n; more /etc/resolv.conf/etc/host | cat; host www.google.com; mtr -ntrc4 64.233.1 |
| 20:55.57 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
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| 20:56.07 | valdyn | Skoal: aptitude |
| 20:56.09 | karsten | dpkg: forget quick network check |
| 20:56.09 | dpkg | karsten: i forgot quick network check |
| 20:56.12 | itchi | valdyn: I have got that after an upgrade |
| 20:56.18 | karsten | dpkg: quick network check is try running (and pastebinning): ifconfig -a; route -n; more /etc/resolv.conf/etc/host | cat; host www.google.com; mtr -ntrc4 64.233.161.147 |
| 20:56.18 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 20:56.25 | valdyn | itchi: grep -i proxy /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:56.45 | itchi | valdyn: Emtpy too |
| 20:56.55 | valdyn | itchi: ok, does apt-get give this error too? |
| 20:57.13 | itchi | valdyn: Eeuhm, i gona look |
| 20:57.30 | itchi | valdyn: Yeah :-( |
| 20:57.42 | valdyn | itchi: are you using ftp:// urls? |
| 20:57.47 | karsten | dpkg: network diagnostics is check your media (cables/connectors), interface (card), local network config, route, default gateway, local DNS resolver, router forwarding, ping of a remote IP, resolution of a remote host. |
| 20:57.47 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
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| 20:58.08 | karsten | Skaag: dpkg |
| 20:58.09 | itchi | valdyn: yes |
| 20:58.14 | valdyn | itchi: echo $ftp_proxy |
| 20:58.26 | itchi | valdyn: Emtpy too |
| 20:58.30 | valdyn | hmm |
| 20:58.52 | itchi | valdyn: Usually i use http, but had a down mirror yesterday, that's why i left the ftp one |
| 20:59.03 | karsten | Skaag: dpkg --get-selections | gawk '$2 == "instal" { pkg++ }; END{printf("Packages installed: %s\n", pkg)}' |
| 20:59.12 | valdyn | itchi: no idea, try 'http_proxy="" ftp_proxy="" aptitude foo' |
| 20:59.23 | karsten | Skaag: For general management, aptitude (or synaptic for GUI). |
| 20:59.27 | karsten | !tell Skaag about aptitude |
| 21:00.02 | karsten | Skaag: See also the APT-HOWTO at http://www.debian.org/doc |
| 21:00.47 | itchi | valdyn: That help hehe :-) little err above to |
| 21:01.11 | valdyn | itchi: uh? error is gone? |
| 21:01.40 | itchi | valdyn: Yeah! :-) but only once heh, cause the var is not exported |
| 21:01.56 | valdyn | itchi: im confused where that proxy can be set. There's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ too, which you could check |
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| 21:02.37 | itchi | valdyn: There's nothings in that dir |
| 21:02.48 | rayode | how come every time my keyboard and mouse are plugged into my laptop, windows has to instal them all over again? |
| 21:02.53 | humbolto | does the debian installer support encrypted ROOT partitions or encrypted partitions of any kind? |
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| 21:03.05 | valdyn | rayode: is this a windows support channel? |
| 21:03.17 | rayode | if you can support linux, you can support windows. |
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| 21:03.28 | itchi | karsten: You mean Skoal that is gone i think |
| 21:03.31 | JordiGH | !info smartpm |
| 21:03.33 | rayode | windows takes LESS technical proficiency. |
| 21:03.35 | dpkg | smartpm: (An alternative package manager that works with dpkg/rpm), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.50~rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
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| 21:03.43 | rayode | a doctor can do everything a nurse can do. |
| 21:03.43 | JordiGH | Does it work? |
| 21:03.46 | valdyn | rayode: does it? |
| 21:03.54 | karsten | rayode: valdyn: OT. |
| 21:03.59 | JordiGH | I mean, smartpm. |
| 21:04.04 | valdyn | karsten: yea! |
| 21:04.19 | humbolto | rayode: because windows sucks - it's as easy as that. You might have noticed that even if your driver does not have to be reinstalled, it takes forever until the mouse is ready for use. While in Linux it takes less than a second. |
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| 21:04.33 | itchi | karsten: You missed the nick i think |
| 21:04.33 | karsten | humbolto: ^^ |
| 21:04.41 | JordiGH | For once, I'm not in the mood a flamewar today. |
| 21:04.44 | JordiGH | humbolto: OT |
| 21:05.21 | humbolto | JordiGH: neither am I |
| 21:05.24 | JordiGH | The debconf videos are very interesting... cute to see some faces attached to the online handles. |
| 21:05.40 | itchi | valdyn: I never have defined that proxy var |
| 21:05.45 | eat_life | how can i use dig to check if the name server being queried is authoratative for a hostname/domain ? |
| 21:05.48 | humbolto | Anyhow, does anybody know about the status of encrypted partition support in debian? |
| 21:05.49 | valdyn | itchi: running gnome? |
| 21:05.56 | itchi | valdyn: Fluxbox |
| 21:06.10 | valdyn | itchi: absolutely no idea.. |
| 21:06.12 | JordiGH | humbolto: Worked awesomly for me. You can encrypt during install. Not a bit of slowness I've seen. |
| 21:06.13 | humbolto | Is there a defacto standard for encrypted partitions? |
| 21:06.16 | itchi | valdyn: I have gnome installed too, but not use it right now |
| 21:06.47 | humbolto | JordiGH: No kidding? You can encrypt during install? Even ROOT? |
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| 21:06.48 | itchi | valdyn: These troubles started after an upgrade, i guess there may have change somethings, but i dunno what exactly |
| 21:07.03 | JordiGH | humbolto: I have no idea, but I've seen these acronyms come up when my encrypted partition comes up: LUKS and AES. |
| 21:07.09 | jesusfish | is there any way to get ipac-ng for etch? |
| 21:07.19 | JordiGH | humbolto: Yeah, it's easy. It works. I love it. I feel for the first time ever safe from the spooks. |
| 21:07.20 | itchi | valdyn: I use apt-proxy too, dunno if that's related |
| 21:07.32 | valdyn | itchi: nah |
| 21:07.35 | humbolto | JordiGH: ROOT? |
| 21:07.41 | itchi | But that's a confusing package name heh :-p |
| 21:07.42 | itchi | yeah |
| 21:07.55 | stew | jesusfish: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:07.56 | valdyn | itchi: apt-proxy cant know the http_proxy you set when running aptitude |
| 21:07.57 | JordiGH | humbolto: Yes, of course. /boot isn't encrypted, but /root is. The spooks will know which kernel you're running. ;-) |
| 21:08.12 | itchi | valdyn: Anyway you have give me a nice hint, thanks for that ;-) |
| 21:08.18 | JordiGH | Er, not /root, / |
| 21:08.37 | JordiGH | Ubuntu Feisty can't encrypt during the install, btw. %-) |
| 21:08.41 | humbolto | JordiGH: What does the boot process look like then? You have to enter the pwd before ROOT is mounted? |
| 21:08.42 | JordiGH | !praise Debian |
| 21:08.56 | stew | JordiGH: does this mean soon we get to have the "GPL v3 menas you can't have an encrypted filesystem" discussion :) |
| 21:09.11 | humbolto | Do you have to enter a pwd for every encrypted partition? |
| 21:09.18 | JordiGH | humbolto: Yes. You get a few kernel messages and then someone (kernel perhaps?) asks you for your LUKS password. Then you can proceed to boot. |
| 21:09.26 | valdyn | itchi: grep -Ri proxy /etc/apt/ |
| 21:09.32 | JordiGH | I'm not sure. I only have one encrypted partition. |
| 21:10.02 | JordiGH | stew: I'll see you on debian-legal. ;-) |
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| 21:10.33 | [2am] | hey all |
| 21:10.36 | [2am] | quick deb question |
| 21:10.49 | [2am] | would like a module (3ware) to get loaded up early during boot time |
| 21:10.59 | stew | [2am]: are you using a initrd kernel? |
| 21:11.04 | [2am] | whats the debian wway to do it |
| 21:11.06 | itchi | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/493601 I may need to make it empty i guess |
| 21:11.08 | valdyn | [2am]: why? |
| 21:11.10 | [2am] | stew: let me check |
| 21:11.10 | stew | [2am]: add it to /etc/modules |
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| 21:11.31 | [2am] | stew: initrd.img-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 21:11.34 | humbolto | stew: Did not follow the whole conversation. What is the GPL3 and enc FS issue? |
| 21:11.37 | valdyn | itchi: remove that line completely |
| 21:11.44 | [2am] | so /etc/modules? |
| 21:11.45 | stew | [2am]: is your root on 3ware? |
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| 21:12.08 | [2am] | nope |
| 21:12.23 | [2am] | just a secondary disk. but usually the 3ware doesnt come up until after fsck |
| 21:12.43 | stew | [2am]: then just add it to /etc/modules |
| 21:12.57 | stew | humbolto: since gplv3 doesn't exist yet, i was really just trolling JordiGH who doesn't like software freedom as much as i do (</troll> :P). |
| 21:13.11 | [2am] | stew: thanks so much!! |
| 21:13.19 | [2am] | <-- another happy customer |
| 21:13.20 | [2am] | ;) |
| 21:13.38 | stew | humbolto: the gpl3 might include a section that says you cannot use technical measures to prevent someone from using the software, an encrypted filesystem possibly would fall into that category |
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| 21:13.48 | itchi | heh, what gona i install as test?? :-p |
| 21:14.00 | valdyn | stew: uh |
| 21:14.06 | stew | valdyn: hi! |
| 21:14.09 | valdyn | stew: that would be wordedly stupidly |
| 21:14.17 | humbolto | stew: and what was the initial thought behind that? |
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| 21:14.33 | stew | humbolto: to try to disallow DRMs |
| 21:14.37 | Wiiman | hey guys |
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| 21:14.38 | valdyn | stew: i mean, gpl is and always was meant to put rules on distribution, not on usage |
| 21:14.52 | Wiiman | i'm in root and i need to configure xvesa |
| 21:15.03 | Wiiman | i dont know the command.. |
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| 21:15.28 | Wiiman | is there a good linux guide i can download that will have basic stuff like that? |
| 21:15.43 | Wiiman | restarting eth0 and stuff |
| 21:15.57 | Wiiman | installing new gui's |
| 21:16.03 | valdyn | !drxx Wiiman |
| 21:16.03 | dpkg | Wiiman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:16.12 | itchi | valdyn: Thanks! it's fixed |
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| 21:16.49 | Wiiman | hmm |
| 21:16.57 | Wiiman | i cant get any of those to work |
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| 21:17.18 | stew | valdyn: it says if you "convey" the work, you can't use techinical measures to prevent others from modifying the work, they unfortunately don't define convey |
| 21:17.30 | Wiiman | !drxx? |
| 21:17.30 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 21:18.02 | Wiiman | weird |
| 21:18.08 | valdyn | stew: this doesnt just apply to encryption, this applies to anything technically preventing access, like locking my house door |
| 21:18.16 | stew | valdyn: yeah, or chmod 600 |
| 21:19.03 | stew | and i guess this makes it incompatible with gplv2 |
| 21:19.12 | valdyn | stew: maybe convey is defined or legalese that i dont understand, eben moglen cant be that stupid |
| 21:19.29 | stew | and, its still draft... |
| 21:19.35 | valdyn | aye |
| 21:19.53 | Jacob_H | hmm...is there a simple way of uninstalling KDE and (the majority) of KDE-specific applications? |
| 21:19.57 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 21:19.58 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 21:20.32 | robin_sz | Jacob_H, good move |
| 21:21.00 | valdyn | !dict convey |
| 21:21.03 | dpkg | Dictionary 'convey' (2 of 21): 2. To cause to pass from one place or person to another; to serve as a medium in carrying (anything) from one place or person to another; to transmit; as, air conveys sound; words convey ideas. ;; 3. To transfer or deliver to another; to make over, as property; more strictly (Law), to transfer (real estate) or pass (a title to real estate) by a sealed writing.. |
| 21:21.13 | Jacob_H | is the "it has been said" bit just to enliven the language or does it mean something else? |
| 21:21.20 | valdyn | uh, thats just distribute |
| 21:21.29 | jesusfish | does anybody know of a netmrg package that doesn't depend on php4? |
| 21:21.41 | Jacob_H | robin_sz: I periodically play with it but still fail to see the attraction |
| 21:22.04 | robin_sz | Jacob_H, its bloatware |
| 21:22.06 | valdyn | Jacob_H: that's just the bots prefix |
| 21:22.17 | Jacob_H | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 21:24.07 | Jacob_H | robin_sz: I don't think I'd go that far, but I'm always suprised that it attracts so much more vocal support than the alternatives... |
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| 21:39.05 | Wiiman | does anyone know the command for installing kde? |
| 21:39.13 | Wiiman | i used to know it |
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| 21:39.35 | Wiiman | apt-get install kde |grep or something? |
| 21:39.49 | _Rubyxx_ | ivazquez: system froze again |
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| 21:39.54 | _Rubyxx_ | sorry |
| 21:40.00 | h3sp4wn | !install kde |
| 21:40.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:40.18 | adc | hmm |
| 21:40.20 | Octopssy | how to rm everything in a certain dir except one file? |
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| 21:40.31 | adc | from variou supgrades my hd has filled up |
| 21:40.36 | adc | feels like theres a lot of wasted sapce |
| 21:40.36 | Wiiman | !install kde |
| 21:40.37 | nhuisman_work | mv it out |
| 21:40.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:40.37 | adc | space |
| 21:40.44 | nhuisman_work | and then delete, then mv it back? |
| 21:40.45 | Octopssy | no i dont want that |
| 21:40.48 | adc | any neat tools to look at packages which are using old dependancies or something? or where the space has really gone |
| 21:40.52 | nhuisman_work | use find? |
| 21:40.56 | Octopssy | ah |
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| 21:40.58 | Octopssy | crap |
| 21:41.00 | adc | can i list packages by size |
| 21:41.11 | robin_sz | Octopssy, ls -a | grep -v <filename> | xargs rm |
| 21:41.13 | nhuisman_work | probably can use find's exec and rm with a little scripting to not delete the file you want |
| 21:41.34 | Wiiman | i dont know how to even go there.. |
| 21:41.41 | nhuisman_work | course that isn't a recursive solution robin_sz |
| 21:41.50 | abrotman | adc: deborphan will help you clean up |
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| 21:42.13 | adc | thanks abrotman |
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| 21:42.24 | robin_sz | nhuisman_work, well, use find instead of ls then |
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| 21:43.11 | robin_sz | nhuisman_work, personally, I'd just copy it to /tmp, rm the lot and move it back ... |
| 21:43.11 | bolt | how can I tell what kernel options were passed at boot time |
| 21:43.16 | bolt | ? |
| 21:43.17 | nhuisman_work | yeah same with me |
| 21:43.30 | nhuisman_work | forgot about grep -v :P |
| 21:43.54 | h3sp4wn | bolt: /proc/cmdline |
| 21:44.06 | bolt | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 21:45.01 | abrotman | robin_sz: light a fire ? |
| 21:45.10 | adc | abrotman: great :) |
| 21:45.21 | nhuisman_work | maybe not the best way to please the bees |
| 21:45.22 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 21:45.23 | robin_sz | abrotman, nah, got a glass and a piece of paper ... |
| 21:45.28 | abrotman | adc: don't forget to read the man page for it .. it has a few options you might find helpful |
| 21:45.42 | abrotman | robin_sz: i doubt you'll get the glass to melt with a single piece of paper |
| 21:45.50 | robin_sz | it is HUGE! |
| 21:46.00 | robin_sz | biggest wasp ive ever seen |
| 21:46.08 | pickcoder | wasp or hornet |
| 21:46.12 | rayode | is it possible to have a high DPI for the laptop LCD but a lower DPI for the external display? |
| 21:46.21 | robin_sz | 35, 40mm maybe? |
| 21:46.45 | abrotman | around or long ? |
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| 21:47.49 | dkr | rayode: of course, dpi is based on the physcial size of the pixels |
| 21:47.53 | jcb | Hey, I'm making a new kernel and I have a Pentium D 915. I'm not sure what to select at "Processor family" under "Processor type and features". Do someone know? |
| 21:48.09 | rayode | dkr, no, i want to set the dpi. |
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| 21:48.24 | rayode | dkr, i like to have my laptop dpi set above normal so that text is larger. |
| 21:48.29 | rayode | dkr, it's a high-rez screen. |
| 21:48.35 | h3sp4wn | rayode: are you using startx ? |
| 21:48.37 | rayode | dkr, on my external, i'd like it set at normal. |
| 21:49.00 | rayode | h3sp4wn, with debian, yes. |
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| 21:49.04 | dkr | ah, no I don't think that is ossible. because that is a function of the font-drawing code, not the graphics output |
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| 21:49.18 | rayode | h3sp4wn, i'm tryring to figure this out with windows xp first. |
| 21:49.33 | h3sp4wn | rayode: its hard coded in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc by default |
| 21:49.36 | nhuisman_work | why do you need a separate dpi? |
| 21:49.41 | h3sp4wn | rayode: I don't know or care about windows xp |
| 21:50.08 | h3sp4wn | rayode: go to ##windows |
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| 21:50.13 | rayode | nhuisman_work, because things appear bigger on my external display and i have more flexibility with where it is positioned. i don't need large fonts for it. |
| 21:50.29 | rayode | nhuisman_work, i prefer large fonts on my high-res laptop display. |
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| 21:51.22 | h3sp4wn | rayode: Why do you ask windows questions in #debian ? |
| 21:51.53 | nhuisman_work | rayode, you could run a separate x server on each display |
| 21:52.24 | h3sp4wn | nhuisman_work: He is wanting to know how to do it on windows - by the looks of it |
| 21:53.05 | rayode | h3sp4wn, windows first. i figure once i can do it on windows i can do it on debian. |
| 21:53.05 | Ronin | which of course begs the question why ask here |
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| 21:53.10 | rayode | Ronin, i guess i'm a debian junkie at heart. heh heh. |
| 21:53.11 | nhuisman_work | bad assumption.. |
| 21:53.28 | h3sp4wn | Ronin: exactly |
| 21:53.36 | lepton | jcb: did you get an answer on your kernel q? |
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| 21:55.03 | Danielss89 | how do i change the uid of an user?? |
| 21:55.20 | Danielss89 | on debian etch |
| 21:55.23 | lepton | Danielss89: you could do it with vipw |
| 21:55.27 | adc | play with /etc/passwd /etc/groups |
| 21:56.04 | GhostlyDeath | How can I see the more techincal details of my wireless connection (such as dB) for my ipw3945? |
| 21:56.05 | rayode | debian is probably the single best piece of technology i've ever used. |
| 21:56.05 | lepton | Danielss89: then chmod -R the homedir to the new uid |
| 21:56.10 | Danielss89 | or even better lepton.. delete the user so i can ran this: useradd -r -u 150 -g mail -d /var/vmail -s /sbin/nologin -c “Virtual mailbox” vmail |
| 21:56.15 | Danielss89 | run |
| 21:56.37 | alaya_ | what about usermod? |
| 21:56.59 | nhuisman_work | how much memory would you allocate to a "standard install" of debian |
| 21:57.09 | rayode | you don't need to have sex or play a sport to have great pleasure. |
| 21:57.13 | nhuisman_work | i'm using xen |
| 21:57.19 | rayode | you can derive great pleasure from using great things, like debian linux. |
| 21:57.24 | nhuisman_work | 128 is the default but I was thinking it could probably use less |
| 21:57.25 | GhostlyDeath | 1TB |
| 21:57.58 | GhostlyDeath | rayode: Pleasure = NES |
| 21:58.00 | lepton | alaya_: usermod is a good suggestion |
| 21:58.03 | rayode | is it possible to have a different dpi on each monitor? |
| 21:58.04 | Danielss89 | how could i delete the user lepton? |
| 21:58.17 | alaya_ | GhostlyDeath: iwconfig and iwpriv |
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| 21:58.21 | abrotman | deluser |
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| 21:59.45 | lepton | the existence of userdel and deluser is a little confusing |
| 21:59.45 | DeeDeND | anyone can tell me if wine work on PPC? |
| 22:00.09 | DeeDeND | I use it for Ultima Online |
| 22:00.36 | h3sp4wn | DeeDeND: wine needs to run on a pc |
| 22:00.37 | alaya_ | i think they correspond to adduser/useradd, the latter of which is more "manual" than the former |
| 22:00.39 | robin_sz | hmmm ... bcm43xx still doesnt do 54mbs, maybe time to go back to ndiswrapper |
| 22:00.47 | DeeDeND | only PC? |
| 22:00.53 | DeeDeND | uff |
| 22:01.05 | alaya_ | also, i think useradd is found on more unixes |
| 22:01.30 | h3sp4wn | DeeDeND: It doesn't even work (properly) on amd64 |
| 22:01.56 | twisted` | ey, I need to mv my /var since it's on a partition... but it shouldn't be, how can I do that? I only got access to the machine through ssh |
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| 22:03.30 | twisted` | wow never mind... suddenly I got it workin :D |
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| 22:04.16 | alaya_ | DeeDeND: has wine been ported to that arch? |
| 22:04.38 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 22:04.50 | abrotman | he'd have to use some VM stuff that will emulate x86 |
| 22:04.56 | DeeDeND | I don't know... but I like the Powerbook, but I need wine |
| 22:05.06 | abrotman | %info qemu etch |
| 22:05.13 | abrotman | wait .. i didn't want badgers |
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| 22:05.16 | abrotman | @info qemu etch |
| 22:05.25 | xingu | mmm, badger |
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| 22:05.28 | DeeDeND | badgers? |
| 22:05.31 | xingu | the other other other white meat |
| 22:05.36 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.37 | badgers | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3589 kB, Installed size: 9804 kB |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | but ravenbird does PPC |
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| 22:06.11 | DeeDeND | with qemu I can emulate the x86 processor? |
| 22:06.19 | abrotman | maybe .. you'll have to check the docs |
| 22:06.21 | DeeDeND | so I can run wine? |
| 22:06.28 | DeeDeND | mmm ok |
| 22:06.34 | xingu | with a 2x4 applied liberally to the forelobe you can emulate an x86 |
| 22:06.35 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/qemu |
| 22:06.37 | abrotman | says it runs on PPC |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | DeeDeND: not that fast though |
| 22:06.54 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 22:06.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 22:06.55 | abrotman | maybe ask them |
| 22:07.01 | DeeDeND | but wine exist for PPC? |
| 22:07.40 | alaya_ | DeeDeND: check packages.debian.org |
| 22:08.03 | DeeDeND | ok |
| 22:08.03 | DeeDeND | thank you |
| 22:08.03 | alaya_ | or apt-cache search wine on the debian/ppc box |
| 22:08.24 | abrotman | yes .. i just showed you |
| 22:08.26 | GhostlyDeath | is 15dBm good? |
| 22:08.31 | abrotman | for what?! |
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| 22:08.41 | GhostlyDeath | wireless |
| 22:08.47 | DeeDeND | only x86 :( |
| 22:08.54 | abrotman | DeeDeND: no .. i just saw it for ppc |
| 22:09.08 | DeeDeND | Package: libwine (0.9.31-1, 0.9.11-1) |
| 22:09.08 | DeeDeND | Versions: 0.9.11-1 [kfreebsd-i386], 0.9.31-1 [amd64, i386] |
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| 22:09.08 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=powerpc&file=pool%2Fupdates%2Fmain%2Fq%2Fqemu%2Fqemu_0.8.2-4etch1_powerpc.deb&md5sum=e604fc75cead026b2581800f35c1f5b4&arch=powerpc&type=security |
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| 22:09.16 | abrotman | but that's for etch |
| 22:09.18 | alaya_ | AFAIK Link Quality is a better indicator of AP strength |
| 22:09.31 | Danielss89 | Dovecot should now be accepting SSL-connections on port 993. Check the log-file for an entry like this when you login using IMAP. <-- a guide says this.. how do i do this? |
| 22:09.35 | DeeDeND | but i need wine too |
| 22:09.36 | JordiGH | What is the relationship between Debian and Ubuntu? Is there a public statement about this anywhere? |
| 22:09.43 | abrotman | Danielss89: browse around /var/log/ |
| 22:09.51 | abrotman | JordiGH: you should know better than to ask here |
| 22:11.37 | GhostlyDeath | wireless fork off debian |
| 22:11.37 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 22:11.37 | GhostlyDeath | ubuntu ios a fork off debain |
| 22:11.37 | w0rd54 | debian's stance on ubuntu is "lol" |
| 22:11.38 | Danielss89 | sorry abrotman. i meant how do i log in to the IMAP thing |
| 22:11.38 | abrotman | Danielss89: with an IMAP client ... |
| 22:11.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: I was seeing some debconf talks about Ubuntu. I can't find anything more about Debian talking about Ubuntu. |
| 22:11.39 | abrotman | debconf is debian |
| 22:11.39 | alaya_ | JordiGH: what do you want to know? they are different distros. |
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| 22:11.39 | JordiGH | alaya_: I'm curious to know how Universe works, and how changes are brought back to debian, e.g. smartpm. |
| 22:11.43 | abrotman | JordiGH: please stop asking here |
| 22:11.48 | JordiGH | abrotman: And Mark Shuttleworth went to debconf. |
| 22:11.52 | Danielss89 | can i do it via putty abrotman? |
| 22:12.04 | abrotman | Danielss89: doubtful .. maybe with telnet .. but doubt that'd work either |
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| 22:12.09 | alaya_ | JordiGH: i would guess that's up to each specific maintainer how/if they do it |
| 22:12.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: try asking actual DDs .. instead of the IRC help lackies |
| 22:12.25 | stew | JordiGH: http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 22:12.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: but... there are dds around here, aren't there? |
| 22:12.52 | karsten | Danielss89: netcat. |
| 22:12.55 | JordiGH | stew: thanks. |
| 22:13.12 | karsten | jelly-home: More in debian-devel, particularly at irc.debian.org |
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| 22:13.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: a few .. but they don't always pay attention |
| 22:13.28 | twisted` | linux rawks |
| 22:13.29 | karsten | !oftc |
| 22:13.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 22:13.40 | karsten | jelly-home: ^^ |
| 22:13.51 | jelly-home | karsten: aye, I know about irc.d.o |
| 22:14.03 | stew | JordiGH: and i don't remember where, but iirc, somewhere on ubuntu's site they provide a diff between the debian and ubuntu sources |
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| 22:14.51 | Decepticon | quick question: if i open up my ession and do a sshfs command and then log out, what happens to the sshfs command? does it nullify and stop? if so how do i make it so its always working and mounting a specific remote filesystem (is this because i did the command on a terminal when i was logged in, and then when i logged out that terminal got shut down as well as everything in the session?) |
| 22:14.53 | Decepticon | or am i missing the point |
| 22:15.31 | JordiGH | stew: They might not do so any longer. It's remarkably difficult to find any mention of Debian in Ubuntu's site right now. Lots of dead links. |
| 22:15.32 | jelly-home | Decepticon: sshfs opens a separate ssh connection and works off it |
| 22:15.33 | GhostlyDeath | What's an ession? |
| 22:15.38 | Decepticon | *session |
| 22:15.48 | Decepticon | jelly-home so then it shouldnt have died? |
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| 22:16.05 | jelly-home | Decepticon: regardless of how you've logged in to the machine. Right, it shouldn't have died. I think. :-) |
| 22:16.15 | Decepticon | why did my sshfs session die then, i see a shortcut on my desktop is not valid anymore (it leads to a place on remote filesystem) |
| 22:16.24 | Decepticon | where do i find logs for sshfs |
| 22:16.29 | Decepticon | i want to see what the heck happened |
| 22:16.35 | morvok | jordiGH: try poking around in #ubuntu/kubuntu |
| 22:16.46 | alaya_ | Decepticon: i would use nfs if you want something more persistent |
| 22:17.13 | JordiGH | morvok: I am. But since the question is also about Debian, I'm asking here as well. The #ubuntu channel is noisy and generally dumb as ever. ;-) |
| 22:17.13 | jelly-home | Decepticon: works-for-me as expected |
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| 22:17.25 | alaya_ | Decepticon: get nfs-kernel-server and read the nfs howto carefully, especially setting up exports, hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 22:18.16 | Decepticon | alaya_ does it matter if my remote filesystem is winxp home |
| 22:18.17 | Decepticon | thats why i used sshfs (opensshd cygwin on winxp) |
| 22:18.17 | alaya_ | in that case you may want to use samba |
| 22:18.18 | Decepticon | alaya_ wel lthats only in case if i was on the LAN |
| 22:18.23 | Decepticon | right? |
| 22:18.41 | Decepticon | across the internet? it wont work, would it |
| 22:18.41 | alaya_ | and man smb.conmf |
| 22:18.41 | Ankman | anybosy an idea why i can browse my shared files but not copy them from the shares? |
| 22:18.41 | jelly-home | Decepticon: I did: machine1% ssh machine2; machine2% sshfs machine3: mnt; logout; machine1% ssh machine2 ... and the mnt/ on machine2 was still mounted |
| 22:18.41 | alaya_ | smb.conf |
| 22:18.59 | Decepticon | jelly-home i guess my computer must have pooped. must check logs then |
| 22:19.00 | Ankman | in samba |
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| 22:19.16 | alaya_ | Decepticon: across internet you could use a VPN like openvpn |
| 22:19.25 | Av | does anyone know if Debian can boot, using grub, from a *BSD style partition? |
| 22:19.29 | tormod | JordiGH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianCollaboration |
| 22:19.43 | jelly-home | alaya_: sshfs is a nice quick and dirty solution |
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| 22:19.54 | Decepticon | alaya_, i'd rather not, openvpn seems to mess up my adapter routing for my winxp machine, and it makes sshd all crazy. it cant listen on the adapter anyomre... this is why iresorted to sshfs |
| 22:19.56 | jelly-home | alaya_: _when_ it works, that is |
| 22:19.59 | confrey | ho to everybody |
| 22:20.02 | alaya_ | jelly-home: true |
| 22:20.19 | JordiGH | tormod: Yeah, thanks, just found it. |
| 22:20.30 | Decepticon | jelly-home, why cant sshfs be persistent? |
| 22:20.36 | Decepticon | why is it a quick dirty solution |
| 22:20.41 | jelly-home | Decepticon: it can, and it is, here |
| 22:21.06 | alaya_ | openvpn +samba/nfs is a more robust solution |
| 22:21.06 | Decepticon | then, you mean its not as robust as |
| 22:21.07 | Decepticon | what alaya_ said |
| 22:21.07 | Decepticon | :) |
| 22:21.07 | confrey | I'm trying to compile a lib, but autogen.sh stops because aclocal is missing; where is that file aclocal? |
| 22:21.28 | h3sp4wn | confrey: autoconf / automake (get both its part of one of them) |
| 22:21.36 | Decepticon | okay then, back to my hopes of using sshfs. where would i find the logs for sshfs so i can see why it died |
| 22:21.56 | h3sp4wn | confrey: its automake |
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| 22:22.18 | confrey | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 22:22.25 | jelly-home | Decepticon: no idea. try enabling some debug options |
| 22:22.47 | jelly-home | Decepticon: did it work at all? |
| 22:22.49 | Decepticon | yes it worked beautifully |
| 22:22.51 | Decepticon | i went to sleep |
| 22:23.06 | Decepticon | then it wasnt working anymore |
| 22:23.06 | jelly-home | oh, that's normal. |
| 22:23.09 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 22:23.22 | h3sp4wn | tried shfs ? |
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| 22:23.34 | Decepticon | h3sp4wn? sshfs? |
| 22:23.52 | alaya_ | you could see if putting a ServerAliveInterval value in ssh_config will help |
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| 22:24.02 | h3sp4wn | Decepticon: No |
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| 22:24.12 | vchrizz | hiho |
| 22:24.14 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I prefer running hacks in userspace rather than kernel space... |
| 22:24.19 | h3sp4wn | shfs (like sshfs but doesn't need fuse) |
| 22:24.24 | Decepticon | hmm |
| 22:24.32 | vchrizz | does 'update-grub' also updates the [master] boot record? or how does grub know to look on another groot dev? e.g. i got my menu.lst on (hd0,0), copied kernel and stuff onto (hd0,1) and set that in the menu.lst which still is on (hd0,0) |
| 22:24.45 | Decepticon | alaya_ ill look into that, that might very well be the case |
| 22:25.02 | alaya_ | vchrizz: its just a shell script in /usr/sbin |
| 22:25.11 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: Its smaller than sshfs (hence the reason I know about it) |
| 22:25.27 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: about 20% smaller? :-) |
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| 22:25.45 | alaya_ | vchrizz: grub-install will install to MBR, update-grub updates menu.list with existing kernels |
| 22:25.45 | vchrizz | alaya_: hum, so how does grub itself know where to look after the menu.lst? |
| 22:26.09 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: quite a bit smaller with all dependancies |
| 22:26.27 | alaya_ | Decepticon: there's also the sftp protocol. winscp or some other clients should speak it. |
| 22:26.28 | h3sp4wn | (I have only used it on a wrt though - I use sshfs with debian) |
| 22:27.21 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: ah, it makes sense for embedded to put such stuff in kernel. |
| 22:27.25 | Decepticon | winscp is pretty good for windows systems, but im looking for something that will provide a persistent connection to a remote filesystem on linux to winxp instead |
| 22:27.33 | Decepticon | and like you said, thats either sshfs or shfs |
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| 22:27.39 | vchrizz | alaya_: so i should use install-grub if i change the groot dev? |
| 22:28.06 | confrey | I have another problem now : configure.in:108: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE |
| 22:28.13 | alaya_ | man grub-install it will install grub onto MBR of device you choose |
| 22:28.15 | confrey | If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. |
| 22:28.26 | confrey | what can I do? |
| 22:28.35 | vchrizz | alaya_: ok thx |
| 22:28.35 | Danielss89 | does syslog log everything that happends? |
| 22:28.49 | jelly-home | Decepticon: I don't quite get it, what can windows do with sshfs? |
| 22:28.56 | h3sp4wn | confrey: try other versions of automake (they are not completely compatible with each other) |
| 22:29.07 | Decepticon | jelly-home i must have worded that wierd |
| 22:29.08 | alaya_ | Danielss89: a lot of it :-) |
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| 22:29.30 | confrey | h3sp4wn, I have installed the newer, 1.9 |
| 22:29.35 | Decepticon | jelly-home i meant to say i want to mount a remote filesystem (winxp hdd) onto a local linux computer |
| 22:29.42 | Decepticon | pretty much what we've been talking |
| 22:29.43 | Decepticon | about |
| 22:29.55 | Decepticon | never mind |
| 22:29.56 | h3sp4wn | confrey: try 1.4 then 1.10 |
| 22:30.14 | confrey | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 22:30.15 | jelly-home | Decepticon: ah. my sshfs to w2003 server with cygwin usually die after a few days. Cause unknown. ;-) |
| 22:30.17 | h3sp4wn | confrey: update-alternatives --config automake (chose which one) |
| 22:30.33 | Decepticon | jelly-home that sounds like exactly what is happening to me |
| 22:30.48 | Decepticon | except im sshfs'ing to winxp with cygwin |
| 22:31.03 | h3sp4wn | Decepticon: F secure make an ssh server for windows maybe try that |
| 22:31.06 | aldin | i have HP drivers for wireless card which are .exe how do i extract them? |
| 22:31.07 | confrey | h3sp4wn, but must I remove 1.9 version? |
| 22:31.12 | h3sp4wn | confrey: no |
| 22:31.18 | twisted` | I see that debian has 20 ramdisks of each 10mb, but... I want one ramdisk of 2gb how can I best do that? |
| 22:31.19 | confrey | ok |
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| 22:31.22 | Decepticon | h3sp4wn, im sorry i didnt quite understand you |
| 22:31.29 | alaya_ | Decepticon: what's wrong with using openvpn? |
| 22:31.40 | alaya_ | Decepticon: and smbclient? |
| 22:31.41 | Decepticon | alaya_ it seems to mess up how cygwin works |
| 22:31.42 | jelly-home | Decepticon: TBH I've just noticed I don't have any KeepAlive options set, I was sure I had some. |
| 22:31.58 | Decepticon | jelly-home yeah ive got to check on that as well |
| 22:32.34 | Danielss89 | http://pastebin.ca/493760 what does these problems mean? |
| 22:32.40 | Decepticon | alaya_ what would be the roadmap for something with openvpn? |
| 22:32.48 | h3sp4wn | Decepticon: I don't remember its exact name - its a commercial ssh server that runs native under windows |
| 22:33.02 | Decepticon | h3sp4wn oh i think i know what you're talking about |
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| 22:33.07 | Decepticon | yeah its something like F secure |
| 22:34.20 | rayode | anyone familiar with the Planar PL2010M? |
| 22:34.59 | h3sp4wn | Decepticon: I have used it some years ago |
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| 22:35.28 | twisted` | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ramdisk bs=1024 count=2048k |
| 22:35.29 | jelly-home | twisted`: first, what would you do with a ramdisk? |
| 22:35.40 | Decepticon | ill try messing with cygwin sshd_config and set some KeepAlive opetions and see if it helps. otherwise ill use Fsecure or whatever its called, thanks guys |
| 22:35.55 | twisted` | I'm using that command and it yells out of space... and it's only 8.4mb |
| 22:36.08 | jelly-home | Decepticon: there's ServerKeepAlive at _client_ side |
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| 22:36.17 | Decepticon | so, my linux computer? |
| 22:36.19 | Decepticon | ssh_config |
| 22:36.22 | jelly-home | ya |
| 22:36.22 | Decepticon | ? |
| 22:36.24 | twisted` | jelly-home: does it matter? |
| 22:36.25 | Decepticon | alright, gotcha |
| 22:36.29 | jelly-home | twisted`: yes |
| 22:36.41 | twisted` | jelly-home: why? |
| 22:37.12 | jelly-home | twisted`: there are other RAM-based filesystems that might be more suited for your usage pattern - tmpfs for example |
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| 22:37.39 | twisted` | jelly-home: tmpfs also uses swap as far as I understood |
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| 22:38.36 | jelly-home | twisted`: ramfs? |
| 22:38.56 | confrey | h3sp4wn, I installed all version of autocof, but I always have the same error |
| 22:39.07 | h3sp4wn | confrey: What are you trying to compile |
| 22:39.10 | twisted` | jelly-home: hmm let me try, might just fit my needs and is easier then the ramdisk approach |
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| 22:39.18 | confrey | E17 |
| 22:39.20 | h3sp4wn | confrey: (its the versions of automake you should have been trying right ?) |
| 22:39.28 | jelly-home | twisted`: well, that's why I asked what do you want to do... is swapping out unacceptable? |
| 22:39.29 | confrey | now I'm trying to compile evas |
| 22:39.47 | h3sp4wn | confrey: using easy_e17.sh ? |
| 22:39.53 | confrey | no |
| 22:39.59 | twisted` | jelly-home: <3 |
| 22:40.09 | h3sp4wn | confrey: manually from cvs or from snapshots ? |
| 22:40.10 | confrey | h3sp4wn, I downloaded the CVS |
| 22:40.19 | confrey | from cvs |
| 22:40.20 | twisted` | jelly-home: meh swapping kinda... made me feel weird |
| 22:40.25 | twisted` | but it seems to do what I want |
| 22:40.27 | h3sp4wn | confrey: best way to build it is using dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 22:40.41 | h3sp4wn | confrey: (there is debian/* files in the cvs) |
| 22:40.46 | Danielss89 | http://pastebin.ca/493760 what does these problems mean? |
| 22:41.00 | twisted` | now to find out howto mount it at boot... and copy files to it |
| 22:41.04 | jelly-home | twisted`: I like my kernels to take care of what needs to be in memory when stupid apps request insane amounts of RAM |
| 22:41.06 | twisted` | prolly an init script the best solution |
| 22:41.11 | h3sp4wn | confrey: then it will tell you what dependancies you need each time |
| 22:41.46 | confrey | h3sp4wn, I tried before, in ubuntu; but I stopped because I made a .deb trying to rewrite /usr/bin/ld |
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| 22:42.06 | jelly-home | !wayttd twisted` |
| 22:42.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, twisted`? |
| 22:42.19 | jelly-home | :-) |
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| 22:42.50 | twisted` | jelly-home: on boot I want to copy the contents of /dev/sda3 to the ramdisk and then mount the ramdisk on a specific location, then every 30min or so I want to copy back the contents of the ramdisk back to /dev/sda3 |
| 22:42.50 | confrey | h3sp4wn, the dir debian is here |
| 22:43.03 | jelly-home | twisted`: why? |
| 22:43.10 | twisted` | jelly-home: cus mysql is slow as hell |
| 22:43.16 | twisted` | looked up on the caching in memory |
| 22:43.22 | h3sp4wn | confrey: Where did you get the order from ? |
| 22:43.27 | twisted` | but it's only for repeative queries |
| 22:43.34 | twisted` | and most queries it runs aren't repeative |
| 22:43.44 | ktwilight_ | would upgrading the kernel means i have to reboot the machine? |
| 22:43.45 | h3sp4wn | confrey: dpkg-buildpackage -x -us -uc (that is the command to use to build) |
| 22:43.59 | xoz | ktwilight_: yep |
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| 22:44.05 | ktwilight_ | hm great. |
| 22:44.06 | jelly-home | twisted`: have you read those mysql optimization tips shown the other day? |
| 22:44.18 | confrey | h3sp4wn, I have the build Notes to compile froma CVS, with the right order |
| 22:44.20 | twisted` | *swears* knew I forgot something |
| 22:44.26 | stew | h3sp4wn: -rfakeroot? |
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| 22:44.35 | twisted` | still, I want to see if it would really be a speed improvement if I load it all in memory |
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| 22:45.28 | h3sp4wn | stew: probably safer to do that - I don't think I did when I built e17 deb's though |
| 22:45.38 | bonez39 | how would I reformat an email...or strip off all the formatting codes, EOL, and CR... so that it's just text, not with huge left and right margins....so I can print it on a few pages instead of on 20 pages...????? |
| 22:45.58 | xoz | if you are using laptop, a great way to save power is using powertop. it runs only in the latest kernel, 2.6.21. see http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php for more info. |
| 22:46.08 | stew | h3sp4wn: well you either need to be root or to use fakeroot in order to put the root owned files into the tarballs afaik |
| 22:46.29 | stew | !powertop |
| 22:46.29 | dpkg | a Linux tool that finds the software component(s) that make your laptop use more power than necessary while it is idle. See http://www.linuxpowertop.org/powertop.php for more info. |
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| 22:47.14 | confrey | h3sp4wn, so, did you built E17 in debian? |
| 22:47.24 | h3sp4wn | confrey: actually you don't need -x (just dpkg-buildpackage -us -us -rfakeroot) - each time it will give you the dependancies you need |
| 22:47.35 | twisted` | only problem is I need to make a init script which takes place before it mounts all the disks |
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| 22:48.13 | xoz | twisted`: make init script that runs in S mode |
| 22:48.18 | h3sp4wn | confrey: there is also the possibilty it is broken at this moment in time |
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| 22:48.46 | twisted` | xoz: S mode? |
| 22:48.54 | MatBoy | cydork, :) |
| 22:49.06 | jelly-home | twisted`: I'd suggest conventional optimizations before making a *cough*half-assed*cough* copying of /var/lib/mysql onto a ram disk |
| 22:49.09 | xoz | twisted`: during Single user mode |
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| 22:49.42 | twisted` | xoz: run level 1 you mean |
| 22:49.42 | confrey | I know this error : using -us option the changelog is deleted, and the compiling proces is stopped |
| 22:49.42 | xoz | twisted`: like that. |
| 22:49.44 | twisted` | jelly-home: why? when I can just as well place it in ram |
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| 22:50.04 | xoz | twisted`: before network and mounting of other devices |
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| 22:50.05 | tnks | Hi. Is it possible to scp in a single command-line between two remote locations? |
| 22:50.12 | twisted` | xoz: hmm... k |
| 22:50.16 | h3sp4wn | confrey: start from the first one and build deb's for all of them or it won't work |
| 22:50.22 | anabain | is there any decent encoding converter prog? |
| 22:50.24 | tnks | I'm getting a "permission denied" error. |
| 22:50.31 | h3sp4wn | confrey: as you will have dependancies you won't be able to satisfy |
| 22:50.45 | bonez39 | Any ideas on this ..... > how would I reformat an email...or strip off all the formatting codes, EOL, and CR... so that it's just text, not with huge left and right margins....so I can print it on a few pages instead of on 20 pages...????? |
| 22:50.50 | jelly-home | twisted`: Linux' VFS and mysql config can put it all into RAM as well, and not at the expense of making your data _very_ volatile. |
| 22:50.58 | h3sp4wn | confrey: Or you could use the edevelop repository |
| 22:51.26 | jelly-home | twisted`: how large is your tablespace anyway? |
| 22:51.36 | tnks | but I can "scp remote1:~/test_file . ; scp test_file remote2:~" just fine. |
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| 22:51.50 | confrey | h3sp4wn, are there compiled debs? |
| 22:52.02 | tnks | what doesn't work is "scp remote1:~/test_file remote2:~" |
| 22:52.16 | h3sp4wn | confrey: yes, which distro ? |
| 22:52.24 | jelly-home | tnks: that's right |
| 22:52.36 | twisted` | jelly-home: how large is my what? |
| 22:52.38 | confrey | I have debian etch, and ubuntu 7.04 |
| 22:52.46 | Quintin | I need something to contorl the length of a user's login session on linux |
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| 22:53.02 | Quintin | similar to "cybrarian". does anything like this for linux exist? I'd like to know before I code it myself |
| 22:53.10 | jelly-home | twisted`: table space. disk usage of all the databases(tables, really). |
| 22:53.13 | h3sp4wn | confrey: http://edevelop.org/debian etch main |
| 22:53.42 | twisted` | jelly-home: well, I don't know at the moment, last time it was hitting 1gb |
| 22:54.14 | h3sp4wn | confrey: don't remember where the key is though |
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| 22:55.08 | jelly-home | twisted`: http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2006/09/29/what-to-tune-in-mysql-server-after-installation/ |
| 22:55.09 | h3sp4wn | confrey: the e17 metapackage pulls it all in |
| 22:55.57 | confrey | I'm seeing the Packages file in etch main is o bytes... |
| 22:56.08 | confrey | I'm seeing the Packages file in etch main is 0 bytes... |
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| 22:57.37 | h3sp4wn | confrey: try - deb http://edevelop.org/debian etch e17 |
| 22:57.45 | twisted` | jelly-home: kewl I'll walk through that |
| 22:58.30 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 22:58.31 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 22:59.59 | twisted` | jelly-home: hmm most of it I already had set properly, funny enough |
| 23:00.25 | jelly-home | rahul: that's not a way to treat a fellow ircerman |
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| 23:02.00 | rahul | heh |
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| 23:02.12 | rahul | jelly-home: he's a neighbor, not a fellow ircer :P |
| 23:02.42 | jelly-home | even woyse! |
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| 23:03.35 | confrey | h3sp4wn, that repository is not correct, and all the repository are empty; only in unstable I can find packages, but can I install unstable's debs in my etch? |
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| 23:04.26 | xoz | bonez39: http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread26319.html |
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| 23:04.41 | intelikey | i'm having an issue with grub (low priority really) it seems that if the disk is not 0x80 in bios then grub fails miserably to boot anything even when bounced to from other bootloaders with bootAs=0x80 which should be the same as the bios setting. anyone care to educate me on this ? |
| 23:05.12 | h3sp4wn | confrey: I think it probably would be ok seen as its only e17 (that is the only official e17 repository) |
| 23:05.18 | confrey | ok, I try |
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| 23:06.03 | h3sp4wn | confrey: use aptitude -s install e17 (or apt-get -s install e17) |
| 23:06.25 | h3sp4wn | confrey: (simulate it - if it there is any problems don't go ahead) |
| 23:06.25 | twisted` | whehe e rocks |
| 23:06.26 | confrey | ok |
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| 23:09.02 | intelikey | root i dont think you can talk in here... |
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| 23:10.13 | confrey | h3sp4wn, doesn't work... thanks for help, now I ga to sleep, tomorrow I'll try to compile again,,,bye |
| 23:10.40 | bonez39 | xoz, thanks...... |
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| 23:12.28 | bonez39 | intelikey, I run into similar problem..anytimg I run update-grub..it changes the reference to my hdd....to 2,0 preventing booting..I have to manually edit it to 0,0 to get it to then boot...why would update-grub do this? |
| 23:12.28 | kracker | Hello. I recently recieved an email alert about a package which depends on php4 which apears to be on it's way out of debian because of it. I'm wondering what a person without a lot of time but the fixes needed to upgrade the app (in general) to php 5.1 compatible, but i don't know any maintainers. what should / can I do? |
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| 23:13.04 | bonez39 | intelikey, that was (hd2.0) versus (hd0,0) |
| 23:13.05 | kracker | i'm speaking about ezpublish-src :\ |
| 23:13.20 | intelikey | bonez39 cause the bios and linux do not agree on where the disk is. grub uses the bios to locate things at boot time. but linux uses the info in the running kernel to do the update. |
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| 23:13.57 | intelikey | linux kernel does not depend on the bios for much of anything... ^ |
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| 23:14.53 | intelikey | well older kernels didn't newer ones seem to be leaning more toward bios dependance |
| 23:15.21 | neoalex | hi guys... I'm having some issues with vnc in debian etch x64 |
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| 23:15.36 | neoalex | I'm using vnc4server and vnc xorg module |
| 23:16.03 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: look in the commented (#)'d out sections |
| 23:16.10 | kracker | I'm speaking towards the project, http://wiki.debian.org/PHP4Removal |
| 23:16.18 | intelikey | what i don't understand is why using bootas=0x80 doesn't trick grub into thinking it's on (hd0) like it should. |
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| 23:16.53 | neoalex | I can open a connection just fine, and view the desktop in my client however the connection drops if I try to click on the home icon for example, or I hover over the bar where a tooltip should show |
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| 23:17.09 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: # groot=(hd0,0) (that line don't uncomment it just modify to suit) and check /boot/grub/device.map is correct |
| 23:17.12 | neoalex | it pretty much drops as soon as I do anything |
| 23:17.28 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: then update-grub should work correctly |
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| 23:18.25 | intelikey | h3sp4wn if he changes groot= and according to bios it is (hd0) wont that still fail ? |
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| 23:18.49 | h3sp4wn | intelikey: in his case I think his groot is just set wrong |
| 23:18.56 | nash | what program should i use to download load music? |
| 23:18.58 | intelikey | could be. |
| 23:19.02 | fouressence | Slight problem I've run into... After installing a new HDD, Etch won't boot. I get "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." |
| 23:19.31 | l3mr | how can i test in a bashscript if a symbolic link is valid, taht is, if the pointed-to file exists? |
| 23:19.38 | twisted` | fouressence: probably mounting the wrong harddrive |
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| 23:19.56 | fouressence | twisted`: How do I go about fixing this? |
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| 23:20.37 | twisted` | fouressence: well, soon you'll be thrown into busybox, you got two choices |
| 23:20.46 | twisted` | fix the fstab and grub menulist from there |
| 23:20.48 | twisted` | or from a livecd |
| 23:20.50 | twisted` | :) |
| 23:21.16 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, so what updates device.map? |
| 23:21.27 | fouressence | twisted`: So I just have to adjust fstab and grub to use the... new name of the old drive? (More or less.) |
| 23:21.30 | twisted` | fouressence: with blkid you can get the UUID of the drive you want to mount |
| 23:21.38 | twisted` | so it doesn't refer to hda or sda |
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| 23:21.42 | intelikey | in my case grub is on /dev/hdc and i disable hda hdb in bios grub works correctly. but if one of those is booting and i bounce to the hdc (even with bootas=0x80 which should make it hd0 to grub) to let grub boot that disk it fails. and i'm not sure why. |
| 23:21.48 | twisted` | but to the uuid, so it can't mount the wrong partition |
| 23:22.05 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: I just updated it manually |
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| 23:22.32 | aanderse | does anyone have any idea when mono 1.2.4 will be put up in debian unstable repos? |
| 23:23.09 | streuner | yes, the maint. :-) |
| 23:23.37 | dondelelcaro | aanderse: if you want it to happen faster, help the mono team |
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| 23:23.56 | twisted` | fouressence: sorry if I seem to be makin no sense... |
| 23:23.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:24.02 | Amarande | anyone know if this is a bug? |
| 23:24.08 | Amarande | I open a gnome terminal, under etch |
| 23:24.22 | Amarande | I type "xboard -ncp -size small &" to get a chess board |
| 23:24.34 | Amarande | now ... if I click the X on the terminal window, both the terminal and the chess board die |
| 23:24.42 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: that's normal |
| 23:24.50 | Amarande | dondelelcaro, that much so far is normal |
| 23:24.57 | aanderse | dondelelcaro: well mono 1.2.4 is out ... i was just wondering if it would be coming to debian unstable anytime soon because it has full asp.net2 support the website said ... which is good because my job i start in the next couple months requires me to learn asp.net ... |
| 23:24.58 | Amarande | but if I type 'exit' to close the shell |
| 23:25.01 | fouressence | twisted`: Hehe. Naw, I think I... generally get it. I recently read through the --am I allowed to say this word?- Gentoo install docs, so all the HDD stuff is semi-fresh in mind. |
| 23:25.02 | Amarande | the board *doesn't* go away |
| 23:25.05 | Amarande | is that a bug? |
| 23:25.09 | intelikey | Amarande --nohup |
| 23:25.24 | Amarande | seems to me that exit should make it die too |
| 23:25.29 | twisted` | fouressence: lol dunno if ur allowed to say it in this channel, /me doesn't mind |
| 23:26.01 | intelikey | exit uses logout the [X] kills it xinit side i think |
| 23:26.09 | Amarande | or is it normal behavior for background children of a gnome-terminal to stay alive when the shell is exited using 'exit'? |
| 23:26.23 | intelikey | yes |
| 23:26.38 | streuner | aanderse: http://www.meebey.net/jaws/index.php?gadget=blog |
| 23:26.47 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: it's the difference between a HUP and exit |
| 23:26.56 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: and yes, it's normal behavoir |
| 23:27.07 | aanderse | hey thanks streuner, i'll take a peak :) |
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| 23:28.11 | intelikey | does gnome-terminal default to using screen ? |
| 23:29.03 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: no, it's just how bash's job control works. |
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| 23:29.17 | fouressence | twisted`: Quite interesting; The /dev/sd* of the drive changed from sda4 to sdb4... What was that blkid thing you were talking about? |
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| 23:29.40 | dondelelcaro | aanderse: well, presumably it'll happen soon, but only the maintainer knows when. |
| 23:29.53 | aanderse | awesome, i'm glad to hear :) |
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| 23:30.02 | intelikey | dondelelcaro yes i understand that, just didn't remember if the derfaule shell in gnome-terminal was screen or not. |
| 23:30.03 | streuner | just ask him |
| 23:30.22 | Heston | what would be the easiet way to start a fresh install of lenny with gnome? For whichever reason the weekly releases of lenny only have the kde and xfce iso's, not the netinstall |
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| 23:31.01 | Ronin | Heston: so install gnome |
| 23:31.19 | Heston | Ronin, i dont want to download a 600 meg iso im not going to use |
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| 23:32.00 | Ronin | Heston: who said you had to? use the netinstall and when its done install gnome and remove say xfce if you dont want it |
| 23:32.12 | Nielsen | just get the netinstall and apt-get install kde kdm |
| 23:32.22 | Heston | because i just said there isnt a fucking netinstall? |
| 23:32.24 | Nielsen | or whatever |
| 23:33.13 | Ronin | Heston: netinstall cd and install gnome later, its not rocket science |
| 23:33.20 | Xenguy | Hi - I have a question for anyone who is familiar with 'ssh -X'... |
| 23:33.27 | Heston | THERE ISNT A LENNY NETINSTALL ISO |
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| 23:33.34 | Ronin | oh calm down |
| 23:33.46 | intelikey | did they fix kdm ? or does it still write in /root/ by default ? |
| 23:34.15 | abrotman | Heston: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:34.15 | no3sc | What's the command to see what drivers that are loaded in the kernel at the moment |
| 23:34.19 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 23:34.24 | no3sc | thnx :P |
| 23:34.30 | Xenguy | I am away from home, and want to do some web browsing, and it occurred to me that I could open an 'ssh -X' session with my home server, and then invoke a web browser and surf away... |
| 23:35.08 | Heston | abrotman, those daily builds are likely broken |
| 23:35.16 | abrotman | then why are you whining? |
| 23:36.07 | [nine] | Heston: go grab http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz, decompress it, mount it, then replace initrd.gz with the one from http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz |
| 23:36.07 | Ronin | have you tried them? |
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| 23:36.07 | abrotman | use the etch netinst .. dist-upgrade .. and you'll have lenny |
| 23:36.08 | Ronin | man abrotman hand him some cheese |
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| 23:36.08 | [nine] | Heston: then boot the usb stick and you have lenny net install. |
| 23:36.08 | abrotman | !cheese Heston |
| 23:36.08 | Heston | Ronin, go fuck yourself |
| 23:36.09 | Ronin | well i am my type |
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| 23:36.10 | abrotman | Heston: you have two choices .. use the etch netinst and distupgrade .. or use the daily from the URL above |
| 23:36.12 | abrotman | !tell WaREX about root |
| 23:36.22 | no3sc | hmm anyone here using ati-graphics? I have some problems with installing fglrx (and alsa for that matter) |
| 23:36.25 | Xenguy | My questions are 1) will the display come *only* to my client/local display, and not to the home/remote server? and 2) will all traffic be encrypted so the hotel etc. will not be able to snoop traffic? |
| 23:36.28 | dondelelcaro | Heston: Take this 10 minutes to relax and walk around the block and/or read the netinst pages. |
| 23:36.38 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:36.44 | [nine] | no3sc: i'm using an ati card. what problem you having? |
| 23:37.02 | no3sc | [nine]: I'll query you |
| 23:37.11 | [nine] | k. |
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| 23:37.33 | streuner | Heston: there is no reason to attac people who want help you. |
| 23:37.34 | intelikey | so no thoughts on the grub Q ? |
| 23:37.41 | Ronin | Xenguy: 1. yes, 2. no, not by default iirc |
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| 23:38.51 | intelikey | ssh not encripted ? |
| 23:38.57 | Xenguy | Ronin: OK, #1 makes sense, but #2 does not -- this is SSH right, so the traffic should be encrypted/tunnelled, no? |
| 23:38.59 | Ronin | the -X part |
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| 23:39.12 | Ronin | course ive had a pint or two so ... |
| 23:39.14 | Dewi | Xenguy: yes ssh will encrypt it |
| 23:39.43 | cafuego | Ronin: pint or two of crack? ;-) |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | Ronin: did you lose count already? :) |
| 23:39.45 | Xenguy | Dewi Ronin OK, thanks to both of you, I just wanted to make sure |
| 23:39.49 | Ronin | Dewi: fair enough |
| 23:39.54 | Ronin | abrotman: nope, just had 2 so far |
| 23:39.58 | intelikey | ssh the perscription for incription |
| 23:40.04 | Xenguy | mmmm, pints |
| 23:40.07 | Dewi | Ronin: it doesn't take long for an irc channel this size to latch onto a victim |
| 23:40.11 | Xenguy | intelikey: hehe |
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| 23:40.26 | cafuego | Dewi: what do you mean? |
| 23:40.27 | Ronin | Dewi: actually pretty calm here and theone of oftc, most days |
| 23:40.46 | Dewi | cafuego: just how if some newb + some regular get stuck into somebody, it often snowballs to become most of the active channel :) |
| 23:41.05 | Ronin | Dewi: go hang out on efnet for a while then, heh |
| 23:41.07 | Dewi | It used to happen to me very regularly, in here even |
| 23:41.16 | Dewi | :) |
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| 23:41.52 | Ronin | Dewi: we all get smacked sometimes, just as i should for my answer to #2 of Xenguys question |
| 23:42.36 | Dewi | Ronin: hah. Don't worry about it. Better to err on the side of caution than not, after all |
| 23:42.58 | Xenguy | Ronin: no worries, the 'group mind' will always correct errors ;-) |
| 23:43.08 | Ronin | Dewi: trust me im not going to loose sleep over it :) |
| 23:43.21 | Ronin | give me a few hours and i'll really say somethign stupid |
| 23:43.29 | Dewi | Xenguy: it doesn't correct all errors. Stallman is still around, after all |
| 23:43.49 | Xenguy | Dewi: Stallman is a feature my friend, not a bug =) |
| 23:43.54 | Ronin | heh |
| 23:44.05 | abrotman | !info vrms etch |
| 23:44.10 | dpkg | vrms: (virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.12-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 23:44.12 | intelikey | stallman who ? |
| 23:44.16 | Dewi | Ronin: hmm. Getting drunk while talking on #debian? That could be me in 12 hours... |
| 23:44.20 | Dewi | Ronin: let's hope not |
| 23:45.25 | Dewi | the great thing about firefox, is that it makes java apps seem really lightweight |
| 23:45.57 | Dewi | (which occasionally hits 2gb RAM usage over weekends) |
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| 23:46.31 | Dewi | although I can't resist adding, has anyone else noticed that 'iGoogle' with the 'Google Notebook' widget makes IE consume about 1MB of RAM *per second*? |
| 23:47.21 | novaflare | lol |
| 23:47.27 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.28 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.30 | cafuego | Beta until web 4.0 |
| 23:47.50 | streuner | !Ronin++ |
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| 23:48.17 | novaflare | seriously is there a web browser out right now that dont leak like a stuck pig when you have it open for a while |
| 23:48.18 | Ronin | stew: you need to come up here, malt orders in today :) |
| 23:48.32 | Xenguy | peterS: :-) |
| 23:48.37 | cafuego | novaflare: lynx |
| 23:48.38 | abrotman | novaflare: opera? :) |
| 23:48.39 | ctp | anyone here running wordpress? |
| 23:48.46 | novaflare | well opera does to |
| 23:48.46 | Dewi | novaflare: I thought it was IE... but apparently not. Maybe I should become one of those creepy Opera converts. |
| 23:48.52 | Dewi | ctp: of course |
| 23:48.54 | abrotman | novaflare: not in my experience |
| 23:48.55 | Ronin | ctp: not yet, thinking about it though |
| 23:49.03 | fouressence | ctp: I administer it for someone else... |
| 23:49.06 | novaflare | hmm been a ver or 2 sense i tried opera |
| 23:49.06 | abrotman | novaflare: though .. if you take flash/java out of browsers .. most work pretty well |
| 23:49.11 | novaflare | maybe should give it a go again |
| 23:49.22 | novaflare | firefox on windows just sucks period |
| 23:49.25 | fouressence | ctp: Mainly I use Drupal for things... |
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| 23:49.54 | fouressence | novaflare: Why limit it to just Firefox on Windows? * on Windows? |
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| 23:50.01 | Dewi | abrotman: hah. I keep running into ajax/browser combinations that cause continuous growing |
| 23:50.14 | novaflare | 70 megs ff on windows after about 4 hours |
| 23:50.28 | abrotman | Dewi: turn off javascript? :) |
| 23:50.29 | Dewi | abrotman: I dunno if programmers are keeping references around forever, or if the garbage collectors just suck |
| 23:50.31 | starz | mmmmm |
| 23:50.35 | starz | o: sup abrotman :) |
| 23:50.37 | starz | hey ive got a question for you that has nothing to do with configureing my system :) |
| 23:50.41 | starz | i am looking at mcse path and something like rhel path |
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| 23:51.00 | starz | i was wondering if there was something that you recommend - for debian based type distros or something that covers more than a single one or so |
| 23:51.12 | starz | looking at getting into consulting work down the line |
| 23:51.23 | cafuego | LPI maybe, but their cost ahs gone WAY up. |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | not that i know of .. the only certification i have is from the looney bin |
| 23:51.51 | cafuego | I make it a point to invest my time in knowing what I'm doing, as opposed to paying a 3rd party for a piece of paper. |
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| 23:52.13 | rxKaffee | how do I check the current runlevel in debian? |
| 23:52.15 | rxKaffee | etch |
| 23:52.20 | streuner | its 2 |
| 23:52.26 | Ronin | cafuego: unfortinuatly hr depts are hot and bothered about certs etc more often then not |
| 23:52.28 | streuner | default in Debian is 2 |
| 23:52.28 | cafuego | But I do have the luxury of being able to turn away clients that think a certifications matters. |
| 23:52.33 | novaflare | oh hey sence im here waitign for a friend whos gona need help witha debian install (hes gettign a couple errors on first boot) do any of you have a parker vision wifi card running under debian |
| 23:52.43 | streuner | rxKaffee: just run 'runlevel' to make sure :-) |
| 23:52.55 | cafuego | Ronin: Yeah, i tell them "no, thanks" usually :-) |
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| 23:53.07 | Ronin | heh must be nice |
| 23:53.11 | intelikey | rxKaffee runlevel |
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| 23:53.16 | cafuego | warm & fuzzy feeling |
| 23:53.16 | rxKaffee | thanks :D |
| 23:53.34 | rxKaffee | huh, runlevel not found |
| 23:53.38 | Decepticon | is there a util for debian etch that changes (spoofs?) mac addresses? |
| 23:53.44 | cafuego | Ronin: Mind you, the techies that want me normally tell the HR dept "tough shit" |
| 23:53.47 | streuner | rxKaffee: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 23:54.09 | cafuego | Decepticon: ifconfig can set it for you, i believe. check the man page. |
| 23:54.25 | Decepticon | cool thanks for that, ill check |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | rxKaffee: as root ? |
| 23:54.30 | rxKaffee | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:54.40 | streuner | strange then |
| 23:54.40 | cafuego | Decepticon: We like to call it "mac cloning" btw ;-) |
| 23:54.49 | streuner | sysvinit: /sbin/runlevel |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | rxKaffee: /sbin/runlevel |
| 23:55.10 | rxKaffee | ah, sudo wasn't picking up root's executable path |
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| 23:55.21 | mumbles | whos into art here? |
| 23:55.21 | streuner | sysvinit is a basic package? |
| 23:55.27 | rxKaffee | is there away to make sudo assume root's path string? |
| 23:56.04 | h3sp4wn | rxKaffee: What shell ? |
| 23:56.06 | intelikey | -i |
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| 23:56.10 | rxKaffee | ash |
| 23:56.11 | h3sp4wn | (I know how to do if for zsh) |
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| 23:56.45 | streuner | Essential: yes |
| 23:56.49 | rxKaffee | intelikey: -i, thanks :D |
| 23:57.00 | streuner | rxKaffee: HOW did you install Debian? |
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| 23:57.31 | streuner | via debootstrap? |
| 23:58.12 | intelikey | what's the default kernel in etch ? |
| 23:58.22 | streuner | 2.6.18 |
| 23:58.26 | intelikey | ty |
| 23:58.42 | streuner | well, there is/was a 2.6.20 in backports.org |
| 23:58.59 | rxKaffee | streuner: I upgraded from an older pre-release etch image |
| 23:59.18 | rxKaffee | strankan: do you suspect that I have some botched configuration? |
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| 23:59.57 | h3sp4wn | rxKaffee: http://paste.debian.net/28219 (that is how to do what you originally asked with zsh I guess bash has some equivalent way) |
