| 00:00.10 | Ronin | or more likely you didn't read what it was saying mandingo |
| 00:00.20 | n3kl | karsten: I have a rollover cable in hand hooked up, and the only /dev/ttyS? device I hae is 0... perhaps it is a bad cable or something |
| 00:00.46 | mandingo | ronin: naw, I just don't like it :) |
| 00:00.56 | mandingo | fairly set in my ways |
| 00:01.38 | karsten | n3kl: Then you're going to have to troubleshoot. Try different cable, different HW, until you've determined what does/doesn't work. |
| 00:01.46 | karsten | n3kl: Honestly, serial isn't that complicated. |
| 00:02.01 | n3kl | karsten: I didn't think so.... |
| 00:02.45 | mandingo | any recommendations on a solid, lightweight xterm with tab support? |
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| 00:03.16 | n3kl | karsten: you know if you have to do something special after launching minicom? |
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| 00:03.45 | karsten | n3kl: Other than right port, right baud, right parity, hit <enter> a few times. |
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| 00:04.09 | karsten | n3kl: I'd be reading that Cisco manual though. |
| 00:04.13 | n3kl | fek, I know I have done this before |
| 00:04.48 | jetscreamer | sg1 |
| 00:06.33 | Sashi | so how well is AMD64 codecs and such? |
| 00:07.28 | bzed | not so well |
| 00:07.34 | Sashi | still crap eh |
| 00:07.34 | bzed | use ia32 if you can |
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| 00:07.49 | Sashi | well i dont have debian-64 yet lolz |
| 00:07.56 | Sashi | so nooo improvement? |
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| 00:16.10 | concept10 | I hate thunderstorms, it messes with my uptime |
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| 00:19.26 | dondelelcaro | time for a ups |
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| 00:20.47 | shogunx | nah... time for a few solar panels, some batteries, and a more efficient power supply:) |
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| 00:22.03 | Sashi | lol |
| 00:22.06 | Sashi | theres no sun here |
| 00:22.08 | Sashi | :D |
| 00:22.14 | Sashi | raining, big storm |
| 00:22.49 | Sashi | well.. anyways gonna install debain etc.. :D, hope its a big improvement |
| 00:23.04 | Coweater | why is kqemu in non-free? |
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| 00:23.09 | Sashi | << used when it was 3.x |
| 00:23.16 | torrr | is it possible to set for a directory that whoever write to it the files will be always owned by user1 ? |
| 00:23.56 | Sashi | umm chown? |
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| 00:24.24 | torrr | Sashi, more like default chown |
| 00:25.05 | Sashi | chmod could work too.. |
| 00:25.46 | torrr | Sashi, but I want it to happen when someone write to a directory without him to have to worry about it and chown |
| 00:26.24 | karsten | torrr: No. |
| 00:27.26 | torrr | bummer |
| 00:28.24 | torrr | maybe dazuko can trap file writes and do it... but I didn't understand if dazuko really work |
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| 00:29.50 | torrr | (in its doc it should report on open, on close, on modified on exec, but this and that and that features don't work under linux 2.6 ...) |
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| 00:30.29 | rahul | torrr: sticky bit in permissions |
| 00:30.37 | rahul | torrr: man chmod, u+s |
| 00:30.44 | rahul | (on the dir) |
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| 00:31.18 | torrr | rahul, ok I man |
| 00:31.27 | rahul | ok I woman |
| 00:31.32 | rahul | oh wait, no I'm not |
| 00:31.38 | FuzzyB | well i'm both |
| 00:31.42 | FuzzyB | does that make you feel better? |
| 00:31.48 | rahul | yes |
| 00:31.51 | FuzzyB | good |
| 00:31.52 | rahul | it makes me excited! |
| 00:32.02 | FuzzyB | oh lord not another one |
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| 00:32.06 | torrr | FuzzyB, your not we have been there already... |
| 00:32.08 | rahul | heh |
| 00:32.15 | FuzzyB | torrr: oh? |
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| 00:32.37 | torrr | FuzzyB, with I am both... o I am really a man |
| 00:32.38 | bzed | !beer |
| 00:32.38 | dpkg | i guess beer is liquid gold mate |
| 00:33.16 | enouf | dpkg wb |
| 00:33.16 | dpkg | thanks, enouf. It's good to be back. |
| 00:33.21 | FuzzyB | where did that come from? |
| 00:33.34 | FuzzyB | good must be stable |
| 00:33.39 | enouf | dpkg where were you |
| 00:33.39 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 00:33.47 | rahul | heh |
| 00:33.53 | FuzzyB | wouldn't that be some tunnel? |
| 00:33.54 | rahul | !botsex |
| 00:33.54 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
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| 00:34.09 | jelly-home | !kiss rahul |
| 00:34.18 | FuzzyB | I was getting some hot action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some TUNNEL! |
| 00:34.20 | torrr | FuzzyB, though I always wonder if such a hermaphrodite can have its own children and be both the biological mother and father ? |
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| 00:34.34 | FuzzyB | torrr: i'm not a herm i'm a ts |
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| 00:34.49 | torrr | ts? |
| 00:34.55 | FuzzyB | google it |
| 00:34.56 | torrr | ah |
| 00:34.56 | enouf | !think |
| 00:34.56 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 00:35.01 | bunix | can someone direct me to a good guide to setup mythtv w/ a hauppage 150 card on debian etch? thx |
| 00:35.05 | jelly-home | torrr: read Heinlein's _All You Zombies_ story |
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| 00:35.41 | eitan | Hello all. My ntfs drives show up in my computer window in etch, but when I click on them it says "unable to mount the selected volume" how do I correct this problem? |
| 00:35.54 | FuzzyB | get rid of ntfs |
| 00:36.11 | enouf | definitely the best way |
| 00:36.29 | hackmiester | eitan: try mounting from the command line for a more descriptive error... |
| 00:36.29 | enouf | !ntfsrw |
| 00:36.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfsrw is for beta-quality write support on i386, amd64 and possibly others, see <ntfs-3g>. For stable read-only support, ask me about <read-ntfs> |
| 00:36.50 | eitan | !read-ntfs |
| 00:36.50 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 00:37.07 | enouf | !tell eitan -about msg the bot |
| 00:37.14 | hackmiester | how can I make my machine log me in with no password on bootup? |
| 00:37.30 | rahul | hackmiester: even windows doesn't do that |
| 00:37.43 | jelly-home | rahul: not by default, but it can |
| 00:37.47 | FuzzyB | hackmiester: look @ gdm |
| 00:37.49 | torrr | rahul, sticky bits in the man look like make the directory undeletable |
| 00:37.52 | hackmiester | doesn't do what, rahul? log me in? yeah, by default :) |
| 00:37.59 | rahul | it will still ask to log in |
| 00:37.59 | hackmiester | FuzzyB: not running X just to get logged in lol |
| 00:38.07 | jelly-home | rahul: no, it won't |
| 00:38.10 | rahul | jelly-home: how? |
| 00:38.11 | hackmiester | rahul: windows XP by default doesn't |
| 00:38.15 | FuzzyB | oh then your stuck playing with /etc/inittab |
| 00:38.16 | berzerka | i think xp home even logs in automatically per default |
| 00:38.17 | FuzzyB | and rungetty |
| 00:38.21 | jelly-home | rahul: dunno, I've set it up once and forgot |
| 00:38.23 | torrr | rahul, what I want is that its owner would own all file in there even if written by someone else |
| 00:38.24 | rahul | heh |
| 00:38.32 | israel | hello |
| 00:38.33 | hackmiester | FuzzyB: well those were nice hints. |
| 00:38.36 | rahul | torrr: that's what u+s is |
| 00:38.38 | israel | do you want to join my channel #dogsex? |
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| 00:38.44 | israel | i have videos and pic there |
| 00:38.45 | israel | :) |
| 00:38.51 | FuzzyB | only if your in them |
| 00:38.51 | enouf | rahul: IIRC do control userpasswords2 |
| 00:39.04 | hackmiester | israel: dot dot dot. |
| 00:39.18 | rahul | hackmiester: just boot into single user mode |
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| 00:39.27 | rahul | you'll get a root shell. |
| 00:39.31 | hackmiester | rahul: I dont want root. :( |
| 00:39.33 | rahul | and that's it |
| 00:39.39 | FuzzyB | hackmiester: rungetty and inittab |
| 00:39.42 | FuzzyB | that's all you need |
| 00:39.45 | hackmiester | rahul: and actually all the cool kids have that secured |
| 00:39.52 | hackmiester | FuzzyB: yeah I'm going ot mess with that, thanks |
| 00:39.57 | hackmiester | this box is going to become a car pc :) |
| 00:39.58 | FuzzyB | just be careful |
| 00:40.02 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 00:40.06 | FuzzyB | then go play with inittab |
| 00:40.10 | rahul | hackmiester: oh, if you want a custom UI, it's easier |
| 00:40.10 | hackmiester | not the best place for "Password:" |
| 00:40.18 | hackmiester | I don't want a UI |
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| 00:40.21 | hackmiester | that's the thing :) |
| 00:40.23 | jelly-home | !ops israel is trolling a bit |
| 00:40.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: israel is trolling a bit |
| 00:40.24 | hackmiester | it's going to be headless |
| 00:40.29 | rahul | hackmiester: just have vc 1 show the ui |
| 00:40.51 | rahul | hackmiester: then having a shell come up won't help |
| 00:40.51 | FuzzyB | i didn't know dondelelcaro was an op here |
| 00:41.02 | rahul | hackmiester: run whatever app you want as a daemon |
| 00:41.06 | cafuego | FuzzyB: he's not, he justf akes it |
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| 00:41.13 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.38 | berzerka | i want to enable the framebuffer console mode 0x0F01 at bootup, but my kernel command-line option vga=0x0F01 get overwritten when /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh is executed. where do i have to put the setting in debian? |
| 00:41.41 | hackmiester | I have this perl script that controls the mpd, rahul. it's set as the user "player" shell |
| 00:42.00 | FuzzyB | how about just edit the init.d file? |
| 00:42.12 | rahul | hackmiester: run it straight from inittab |
| 00:42.14 | enouf | berzerka: grub kernel line |
| 00:42.17 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 00:42.19 | berzerka | i did that |
| 00:42.22 | hackmiester | rahul: yes I probably will |
| 00:42.30 | enouf | berzerka: bah nm |
| 00:42.40 | rahul | 10:2345:respawn:openvt -w -c 10 -f -- su - folding -s ./FAH502-Linux.exe |
| 00:42.41 | indarios__ | being used to gentoo i had access to really good community webpages like a wiki and a forum.. the wiki and forum i looked at seemed to be lacking and i have problems finding solutions to my problems.. can someone guide me to some good webpages for support? |
| 00:42.43 | rahul | for example |
| 00:42.52 | israel | jelly-home, haha |
| 00:42.56 | FuzzyB | rahul: you should have wrapped that with rungetty |
| 00:43.04 | hackmiester | haha running FAH on a car PC? how would that work lol |
| 00:43.04 | rahul | FuzzyB: why? |
| 00:43.05 | berzerka | enouf: he sets the correct mode, but when console-screen executes it is reset to default 80x25 |
| 00:43.12 | FuzzyB | so it restarts correctly |
| 00:43.26 | FuzzyB | and calls the tty correctly |
| 00:43.35 | rahul | it does already |
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| 00:43.43 | FuzzyB | berzerka: then take console-screen out of the startup scripts |
| 00:44.00 | FuzzyB | somehow i don't buy that |
| 00:44.03 | rahul | indarios__: packages come with docs... |
| 00:44.07 | berzerka | FuzzyB: thought about that, but considered it kind of dirty.. well thank you! |
| 00:44.15 | hatter | what do tell du if just want to know the size of each directory off / without the contents ? |
| 00:44.36 | FuzzyB | du -sh . |
| 00:44.45 | enouf | berzerka: dunno . maybe dpkg-reconfigure console-data, or console-common ? |
| 00:44.58 | hatter | FuzzyB: thx, but that goes into all the subdirectories |
| 00:45.07 | FuzzyB | umm |
| 00:45.10 | FuzzyB | maybe i didn't read you right |
| 00:45.15 | enouf | berzerka: better to first read the mna pages ;-) |
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| 00:45.42 | hatter | sorry, will rephrase, I wnat to see the sizes of the directories, not all subdirectories underneath |
| 00:45.49 | FuzzyB | ah ok |
| 00:45.53 | FuzzyB | i think that is...... |
| 00:46.04 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 00:46.05 | FuzzyB | du -sh * |
| 00:46.30 | FuzzyB | that should give you the size of every file/directory in your current directory |
| 00:46.35 | intruder | hatter: then look only at the last line |
| 00:46.46 | hatter | perfect, thx :) |
| 00:46.48 | FuzzyB | np |
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| 00:47.05 | bytekode | du -sh * | tail -n 1 |
| 00:47.06 | bytekode | :D |
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| 00:47.41 | Azar | is it Sunday yet? |
| 00:47.43 | Azar | :) |
| 00:47.46 | FuzzyB | y? |
| 00:47.48 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:47.59 | Azar | 2 watch all tards bunching up |
| 00:48.17 | rahul | Azar: you missed it |
| 00:48.26 | Azar | aw, paste me the log |
| 00:48.27 | rahul | well, actually it was the friday 13th thing |
| 00:48.30 | FuzzyB | i'm guessing this must be a deb community thing |
| 00:48.36 | Azar | plz the log |
| 00:48.39 | rahul | FuzzyB: no, it's a schoolkids thing |
| 00:48.46 | FuzzyB | hrm |
| 00:48.48 | rahul | Azar: aren't there public logs? |
| 00:48.50 | rahul | !logs |
| 00:48.51 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 00:48.54 | rahul | arse |
| 00:48.58 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 00:49.03 | hatter | I have / getting rtidiculously big, in the /root directory is a file name 'z' which is 5 gig, anyone have any ideas what this is ? |
| 00:49.05 | FuzzyB | google for freenode #debian |
| 00:49.10 | rahul | google for penixstrike :) |
| 00:49.17 | Azar | not my logs, the #debian irc log I missed |
| 00:49.17 | hatter | coz, I didnt create it :) |
| 00:49.18 | FuzzyB | hatter: probally your screw up |
| 00:49.23 | FuzzyB | do a file on it |
| 00:49.36 | intruder | what is the perfect way to copy a the whole content of a filesystem (an installed debian) over an empty formatted partition ? |
| 00:49.38 | hatter | ok |
| 00:49.43 | intruder | rsync ? cp ? |
| 00:49.44 | hatter | u r right, my screw up |
| 00:49.50 | rahul | Azar: google, man |
| 00:49.50 | Azar | anyhow... nice eulogy or what is called : http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/13/1231226&from=rss |
| 00:49.52 | hatter | tar |
| 00:49.55 | FuzzyB | indarios: reboot in a live cd mount the two and cp -raf |
| 00:49.58 | rahul | hahahaha |
| 00:50.02 | hatter | thx |
| 00:50.04 | rahul | chronographer !penixstrike rug |
| 00:50.09 | rahul | ubotu Sorry, I don't know anything about penixstrike rug - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi[\u2026] |
| 00:50.18 | intruder | hatter: am i not losing time in taring if i just want to copy ? |
| 00:50.33 | Azar | hey I see the fun is still around |
| 00:50.55 | hatter | intruder: sorry, my error was a tar error, I was not answering you |
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| 00:51.05 | Azar | Debian redefines itself with new release < article |
| 00:51.16 | intruder | hehe |
| 00:51.19 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 00:51.19 | torrr | rahul, it still write the user ownership. Though the group is preserved |
| 00:51.20 | hatter | although tar will do what you want |
| 00:51.21 | Azar | aaaaaahahahahaha |
| 00:51.28 | FuzzyB | i'm 3 lines and already i'm not liking this guy |
| 00:51.34 | Azar | tar+d? |
| 00:51.39 | hatter | what do mean lose time ? |
| 00:51.49 | rahul | torrr: huh still? |
| 00:51.57 | FuzzyB | he's worried it will be an extra step |
| 00:51.57 | torrr | rahul, yes |
| 00:51.59 | FuzzyB | to tar it |
| 00:52.01 | FuzzyB | rather than just cp |
| 00:52.12 | minus | Does anyone know if i can burk 2 iso images on a DVD and choose between the 2 images when im installing them? |
| 00:52.15 | FuzzyB | he's not thinking about stdin/stdout thing |
| 00:52.20 | Azar | :) |
| 00:52.23 | hatter | ah, I am seedy so i dont have the answers right now, but there is a good reason to use tar and cp |
| 00:52.30 | hatter | oops |
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| 00:52.33 | hatter | tar instead of cp |
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| 00:52.46 | hatter | maintain permissions and owners perhaps |
| 00:52.47 | torrr | rahul, and I did chmod u+s and ug+s and ugo+s and a+s |
| 00:52.51 | FuzzyB | i don't have any problem using cp -raf to copy |
| 00:52.55 | FuzzyB | and yes it maintains permissions |
| 00:52.55 | rahul | Azar: http://irc-archive.com/read/FreeNode/debian/2007-04-13/23 |
| 00:52.57 | torrr | rahul, neither worked |
| 00:52.59 | FuzzyB | that's what the a is all about |
| 00:53.06 | Azar | thanks much rahul |
| 00:53.10 | hatter | cool |
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| 00:55.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 00:55.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@i577BDBC5.versanet.de] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:55.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:55.12 | Azar | hahaha fun |
| 00:55.30 | Azar | anyways, we had roofs flying here, big wind and a bit of fire on the hills |
| 00:55.40 | {Nathan} | I am running debian lenny, and my system is using the wrong driver to try to init the pcmcia service. How do I change it? |
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| 00:55.54 | hackmiester[LT] | okay, do the changes to inittab take place as soon as I logout of tty1, FuzzyB |
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| 00:55.58 | rahul | we don't wanna be like you. don't you get that, king of fools. |
| 00:56.03 | FuzzyB | np |
| 00:56.06 | rahul | don't you know your life is trite |
| 00:56.16 | FuzzyB | hackmiester[LT]: restart init |
| 00:56.25 | enouf | intruder: a brief synopsis of how to copy dir using tar http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/a89d18230d78e4de?dmode=source |
| 00:56.28 | hackmiester[LT] | how, FuzzyB? |
| 00:56.29 | dondelelcaro | FuzzyB: you don't restart init. |
| 00:56.33 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: telinit q |
| 00:56.35 | intruder | enouf: thanks |
| 00:56.35 | FuzzyB | hup it |
| 00:56.37 | FuzzyB | or something |
| 00:56.39 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: man telinit |
| 00:56.40 | hackmiester[LT] | yeah... that's kind of what I was thinking lol |
| 00:56.43 | FuzzyB | there you go |
| 00:56.45 | FuzzyB | telinit |
| 00:56.48 | FuzzyB | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 00:56.51 | hackmiester[LT] | yeah thanks |
| 00:57.29 | Azar | dondelelcaro: you got the change to read that article about Debian by Bruce Byfield? veeryy nice |
| 00:57.37 | dondelelcaro | -HUP has the same effect, but you generally don't want to get in the habit of sending signals to init |
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| 00:57.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: which one? |
| 00:57.40 | Azar | *the chance |
| 00:57.55 | Azar | this one: http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/13/1231226&from=rss |
| 00:58.00 | hackmiester | that works GREAT. thank you FuzzyB, dondelelcaro, and everyone else who replied. |
| 00:58.03 | FuzzyB | dondelelcaro: ya i'm not exactly sure where i picked that up |
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| 00:58.06 | rahul | we are never gonna be like you. we don't follow king of fools. |
| 00:58.09 | FuzzyB | hackmiester: np |
| 00:58.13 | bytekode | lol |
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| 00:58.16 | FuzzyB | hackmiester: look into francine |
| 00:58.20 | Azar | rahul: who are you talking to? |
| 00:58.58 | rahul | Azar: http://irc-archive.com/read/FreeNode/debian/2007-04-13/18/page/10 |
| 00:59.02 | Azar | ... maybe someone on my ignore |
| 00:59.04 | Azar | ah ok |
| 00:59.08 | Azar | looking |
| 00:59.08 | rahul | Azar: the evil bastards |
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| 00:59.18 | rahul | concept10 rahul, if they sold etch in the grocery store next to the milk, does it install hdparm? |
| 01:00.11 | Azar | oh my god, is dudeman here? |
| 01:00.18 | rahul | heh |
| 01:00.21 | Azar | on my ignore? |
| 01:00.22 | rahul | just went to eat dinner |
| 01:00.34 | rahul | he'll be back |
| 01:00.39 | Azar | I don't recall to have put him on ignore, but it might be so |
| 01:00.52 | Azar | I don't see him on the list... or talking |
| 01:00.54 | rahul | he's not talking right now. busy pigging out |
| 01:01.00 | Azar | :) |
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| 01:01.11 | Azar | I missed him and he was all along here.. |
| 01:01.38 | Azar | hmmm how do I un-ignore on irssi? |
| 01:02.02 | {Nathan} | Azar: /help ignore should help |
| 01:02.02 | rahul | he hasn't said anything since you logged in |
| 01:02.24 | Azar | rahul: but you are arguing with someone.. |
| 01:02.34 | rahul | no, I'm not |
| 01:02.53 | FuzzyB | yes you are |
| 01:02.58 | rahul | yes I am |
| 01:03.10 | rahul | !cookie FuzzyB |
| 01:03.12 | dpkg | Hey rahul, is |
| 01:03.16 | Azar | < rahul> we don't wanna be like you. don't you get that, king of fools. << who? |
| 01:03.26 | rahul | wtf was that? |
| 01:03.31 | rahul | Azar: it's song lyrics |
| 01:03.36 | rahul | king of fools by edguy |
| 01:03.38 | Azar | ah hahahahaha |
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| 01:04.08 | rahul | WE'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW YOU! DON'T YOU GET THAT, KING OF FOOLS?? |
| 01:04.41 | dondelelcaro | FuzzyB: for almost anything else besides init, it's no big deal... but kill init and *kerblamo*. |
| 01:04.59 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 01:05.09 | FuzzyB | i guess sending it 9 would be interesting |
| 01:05.29 | rahul | as interesting as a penix through the forehead |
| 01:06.22 | bytekode | lol |
| 01:06.42 | concept10 | what bus is a ir detector usually exist on a laptop? |
| 01:06.51 | FuzzyB | smbus |
| 01:06.53 | {Nathan} | I am running debian lenny, and my system is using the wrong driver to try to init the pcmcia service. How do I change it? |
| 01:06.54 | FuzzyB | maybe |
| 01:06.57 | rahul | serial |
| 01:06.58 | Azar | rahul: for a moment I thought I am looking at a mud screen: * rahul raises fist in air and screams |
| 01:07.03 | rahul | heh |
| 01:07.09 | rahul | Azar: the world is my mud |
| 01:07.20 | FuzzyB | {Nathan}: format and install etch |
| 01:07.22 | Azar | the world IS a mud |
| 01:07.24 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: uh... what driver is it using and what driver do you think it should be using? |
| 01:07.31 | concept10 | would someone with a laptop check this for me please? |
| 01:07.52 | concept10 | I cant find my ir detector after loading the kernel module |
| 01:08.15 | FuzzyB | oh |
| 01:08.17 | FuzzyB | it's a serial port |
| 01:08.21 | FuzzyB | IR is a serial port |
| 01:08.30 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: It's using some driver that starts with i84 I think and has about 6 didgets in it. I want it to use the pd6729 driver. |
| 01:08.47 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: so rmmod it, and modprobe the pd6729 driver. |
| 01:08.57 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: if it works, then blacklist the i84whatever driver. |
| 01:09.13 | concept10 | FuzzyB where did you see this? |
| 01:09.22 | FuzzyB | what |
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| 01:09.27 | FuzzyB | i pulled it from memory |
| 01:09.36 | rahul | memory being my arse |
| 01:09.44 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:09.55 | concept10 | I mean what app did you use? |
| 01:09.56 | FuzzyB | at least i'm not the one with the bloody hole |
| 01:10.09 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: I tried rmmoding it, and it said it doesn't exist in /proc/modules |
| 01:10.09 | FuzzyB | my brain |
| 01:10.10 | rahul | heh |
| 01:10.15 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.22 | FuzzyB | brain-0.99-beta |
| 01:10.24 | hackmiester[LT] | Does anyone know of an app that will let me use my Bluetooth phone as a keypad? Just for entering #s? I've looked at bluemote and shit but it doesn't appear to do what I want. |
| 01:10.31 | concept10 | Good help is hard to find these days. |
| 01:10.38 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: then how do you know it's loaded? |
| 01:10.47 | FuzzyB | tell me about it |
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| 01:11.11 | rahul | torrr: not permission, but ownership... use u+s!! |
| 01:11.16 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: err, wait, I just realized it's using yenta_socket. I'll try it with that. |
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| 01:11.50 | FuzzyB | http://tuxmobil.org/Infrared-HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO.html |
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| 01:13.28 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: I modprobe it and get an error now. Should I try adding yenta_socket to the blacklist and pd6729 to /etc/modules? |
| 01:13.31 | torrr | rahul, it doesn't work I did chmod -R u+s /home/ftp/* |
| 01:13.58 | rahul | oy |
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| 01:14.02 | rahul | !penixstrike torrr |
| 01:14.02 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking torrr to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:14.13 | bytekode | :< |
| 01:14.21 | Azar | rahul: he called you an antisocial asshole? |
| 01:14.26 | rahul | Azar: who? |
| 01:14.31 | Azar | dudeman? |
| 01:14.33 | rahul | no |
| 01:14.33 | torrr | rahul, I then created a folder in /home/ftp/SHARE called test |
| 01:14.35 | rahul | you tool |
| 01:14.41 | Azar | <dudeman> rahul you're gonna burn in hell |
| 01:14.46 | rahul | heh |
| 01:15.03 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: uh... you need yenta_socket. |
| 01:15.06 | concept10 | FuzzyB I will try that document, but its old as dust |
| 01:15.07 | dashs | Is there a fair tutorial for getting audio to work? Looks good at the driver level, but alsamixer fails in user mode, and aplay has many conf.c errors |
| 01:15.09 | FuzzyB | at least we''ll stay warm over his corpse |
| 01:15.14 | Azar | man newbies crying for help and you fighting with stoned.. |
| 01:15.15 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: why? |
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| 01:15.26 | rahul | I wasn't fighting with him |
| 01:15.29 | rahul | wtf |
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| 01:15.38 | Azar | well kiking his nuts |
| 01:15.49 | torrr | rahul, and /home/ftp/SHARE is owned by ftp:ftp, and /home/ftp/SHARE/test was owned by me:me. The best I could do with the uoga settings is to get me:ftp |
| 01:15.51 | rahul | heh |
| 01:16.06 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: well, try it; it may work. |
| 01:16.08 | rahul | torrr: you can set u and/or g +s |
| 01:16.15 | Azar | speaking of.... hello honorable wols |
| 01:16.17 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: mmk |
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| 01:16.29 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: but you might as well just modprobe -r yenta_socket; modprobe yourdriver; to start with |
| 01:16.38 | dondelelcaro | that'll at least tell you if it has a chance to work |
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| 01:18.30 | HLM | which disks do i need for a desktop install ? |
| 01:18.34 | {Nathan} | Where is the blacklist file? I forget. |
| 01:18.39 | {Nathan} | HLM: one, the netinst ^^ |
| 01:19.14 | {Nathan} | Err, nevermind... got it |
| 01:19.27 | Azar | :) <dudeman> rahul can't believe you won't donate to debian < he is right, man, how could you be so stingy? |
| 01:19.29 | HLM | thanks but i want to custum a work station |
| 01:19.50 | concept10 | What are those numbers on the left side of messages of dmesg? |
| 01:20.02 | rahul | Azar: bah |
| 01:20.11 | rahul | I'd donate some, but debian is not my whole life |
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| 01:20.47 | Azar | not mine either, but mannnn... is a good thing in life |
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| 01:20.54 | concept10 | rahul seems to be. |
| 01:21.00 | Azar | stingy, right |
| 01:21.01 | muhoo | aha, i didn't see that etch was released. yay and congratulations! |
| 01:21.17 | muhoo | that'd explain why all of a sudden my "testing" machine went crazy and wanted to upgrade a million packages |
| 01:21.24 | FuzzyB | Load the modules modprobe irda irtty. irattach /dev/ttyS1 -s to attach the IrDA device to the IrDA services. Check lsmod and dmesg. |
| 01:21.24 | rahul | concept10: I thought you were too busy seeing stars surround you |
| 01:21.24 | FuzzyB | irdadump should show all available IrDA devices in range now. Hint: If you are connecting different Linux boxes, you may use hostname YOUR_HOSTNAME to set a unique hostname for each computer. |
| 01:21.26 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:21.35 | concept10 | muhoo: the party is over and the candles are blown out |
| 01:22.07 | FuzzyB | hookers and hangovers |
| 01:22.19 | muhoo | well i'm happy and i hope the devs all got laid. |
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| 01:22.30 | FuzzyB | at once |
| 01:22.33 | FuzzyB | in the same rom |
| 01:22.38 | muhoo | rom |
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| 01:22.46 | muhoo | was it flash rom? |
| 01:22.56 | muhoo | :-) |
| 01:22.58 | FuzzyB | maybe |
| 01:22.59 | concept10 | FuzzyB Thanks. I guess I have to install irda-utils for that. |
| 01:23.12 | FuzzyB | but i think they had to use JTAG to update |
| 01:23.19 | muhoo | so, is lenny fit for use or should i stick with etch for a while? |
| 01:23.27 | FuzzyB | etch |
| 01:23.32 | muhoo | thanks. |
| 01:23.35 | FuzzyB | np |
| 01:23.40 | concept10 | FuzzyB which package do you have installed for that? |
| 01:23.48 | FuzzyB | i dunno |
| 01:23.53 | FuzzyB | i found it in that howto |
| 01:23.58 | muhoo | unfortunately, i just started d-i on a new machine, and guess what? it's installing lenny :-( |
| 01:24.18 | concept10 | FuzzyB must be irda-utils then |
| 01:24.18 | FuzzyB | hrm |
| 01:24.21 | muhoo | i guess i gotta stop that before it goes craazee |
| 01:25.26 | muhoo | wait a minute, the party apparently isn't over, it's still going on tonite: http://loeki.tv/log/archives/35-Etch-Release-Party-on-Friday-the-13th.html |
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| 01:26.25 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, how do I delete also hidden files/directories? |
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| 01:27.01 | dashs | Repercussions of altering a system GID? |
| 01:27.03 | concept10 | gonzaloaf_work: the same way you delete the other ones. |
| 01:27.10 | gonzaloaf_work | concept10, I cant |
| 01:27.10 | griffbrad | torrr: u+s only has the effect of running an executable as the owner of the file regardless of the user who invoked it. u+g, though, should set the group of new files in a directory to the group that owns the directory. |
| 01:27.16 | gonzaloaf_work | I just put : rm * |
| 01:27.24 | gonzaloaf_work | and it doenst delete the hidden files |
| 01:27.37 | concept10 | heh |
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| 01:27.43 | concept10 | dont do that |
| 01:27.48 | concept10 | espically at work |
| 01:28.03 | concept10 | *especially |
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| 01:28.04 | rahul | griffbrad: huh? |
| 01:28.10 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: didn't work. |
| 01:28.12 | gonzaloaf_work | concept10, I am in the directory I want to delete the file from |
| 01:28.16 | rahul | griffbrad: that makes no sense. direcories are not executables |
| 01:28.46 | griffbrad | rahul: Right. But u+s only has an effect on executable files; it has no effect on directories. |
| 01:28.47 | concept10 | gonzaloaf_work rm .foo |
| 01:28.58 | gonzaloaf_work | concept10, rm .* |
| 01:29.33 | FuzzyB | omg my wrist hurts |
| 01:29.50 | concept10 | gonzaloaf_work dont do that, you may delete stuff you do not intend to |
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| 01:29.52 | FuzzyB | i never thought i'd sprain my wrist picking up a laptop |
| 01:30.30 | gonzaloaf_work | concept10, how do I copy also hidden files to another place? |
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| 01:30.42 | FuzzyB | .* |
| 01:30.48 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:31.07 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: what didn't work? |
| 01:31.11 | concept10 | gonzaloaf_work its the same for all types of files |
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| 01:31.27 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: the pcmcia thingy I tried. |
| 01:31.29 | k13 | is there any way to change from Etch testing to Etch stable? wiki.debian.org says: "reinstall the system with stable", is that correct? |
| 01:31.47 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: I put yenta_socket in /etc/hotplug/blacklit and pd6729 in /etc/modules |
| 01:31.51 | enouf | the better question is how to copy(or move) both hidden and non-hidden to somewhere else in one cp, or mv command |
| 01:31.58 | rahul | k13: you either are tracking etch or stable or testing |
| 01:32.07 | rahul | put the right name in the sources.list |
| 01:32.08 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: I asked you to first do modprobe -r yenta_socket; modprobe pd6729; |
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| 01:32.15 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: until that works, there's no point in going further. |
| 01:32.22 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: Didn't see that, sorry. |
| 01:32.24 | Absolute0 | how come installing fluxbox isnt enough to get xorg? |
| 01:32.30 | Absolute0 | i have to install xorg as well |
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| 01:32.43 | rahul | Absolute0: because an X server is not required to run X clients |
| 01:32.47 | Absolute0 | should flubox have xorg as a dependency? |
| 01:32.50 | k13 | rahul: got it. thanks. |
| 01:32.52 | FuzzyB | np |
| 01:32.54 | muhoo | which dl method and/or mirror is fastest right now for etch install? |
| 01:32.54 | FuzzyB | no |
| 01:33.00 | concept10 | \quit |
| 01:33.07 | rahul | Absolute0: should firefox have apache as a dependenciy? |
| 01:33.17 | Absolute0 | whats apache? |
| 01:33.17 | FuzzyB | muhoo: location? |
| 01:33.20 | rahul | muhoo: the one closest to you |
| 01:33.24 | rahul | Absolute0: a web server |
| 01:33.25 | FuzzyB | a web server daemon |
| 01:33.26 | muhoo | i'm happy my new install coincides with a long-awaited release, but, also it means this shit is slow to dl |
| 01:33.27 | rahul | wtf |
| 01:33.36 | Absolute0 | can i run fluxbox with out xorg? |
| 01:33.40 | muhoo | the one closest to me is ftp.debian.org... and that's bogged down right now |
| 01:33.40 | FuzzyB | muhoo: mine wasn't |
| 01:33.44 | FuzzyB | i got it @ 900k/sec |
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| 01:33.51 | FuzzyB | are you eu or us? |
| 01:33.54 | Absolute0 | i dont have startx |
| 01:33.56 | muhoo | 7.8kb/s |
| 01:33.58 | muhoo | us |
| 01:34.00 | Absolute0 | i am installing xorg anyways... |
| 01:34.05 | FuzzyB | mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 01:34.08 | rahul | Absolute0: startx is what starts the server |
| 01:34.12 | Absolute0 | exactly |
| 01:34.14 | rahul | Absolute0: fluxbox is a client |
| 01:34.17 | FuzzyB | dual gb out of isc in cali |
| 01:34.22 | Absolute0 | i installed fluxbox now i need xorg... |
| 01:34.27 | rahul | well, startx starts a server and whatever script to start clients |
| 01:34.35 | k13 | enouf: interesting question. any solution than mv/cp'ing the partent directory, or "find ... -exec (or xargs)" ? |
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| 01:34.45 | tiglionabbit | hello |
| 01:34.49 | enouf | Absolute0: on another box, sure .. imagine a Server (cntaining the xserver) and a node/client (containing fluxbox, or any xclient) |
| 01:34.52 | jpin | Hi, does linux-kbuild-2.6.20 usually take long? |
| 01:34.55 | tiglionabbit | is rubygems broken in unstable? I'm having problems with it |
| 01:35.03 | rahul | !unstable |
| 01:35.03 | dpkg | unstable is probably the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 01:35.04 | rahul | !break |
| 01:35.04 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 01:35.28 | Absolute0 | anyhow which pkg do i need for nvidia? |
| 01:35.41 | enouf | k13: some combo .. not sure exactly how, but definitely do-able .. maybe a pipe and/or a few string of commands separated with ; |
| 01:35.56 | rahul | Absolute0: the -nv server |
| 01:36.08 | Absolute0 | so i dont use play xorg? |
| 01:36.10 | jpin | so.. does it? |
| 01:36.12 | Absolute0 | *plain |
| 01:36.19 | FuzzyB | what are you trying to do k12? |
| 01:36.20 | FuzzyB | k13 |
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| 01:36.39 | rahul | Absolute0: you need a variety of packages. you can install the metapackage and get them all or dig through the metapackage's dependency tree and pick and choose what you need |
| 01:36.56 | Absolute0 | nah i want to stay minimalist :-p |
| 01:36.57 | torrr | u+g had no effect either |
| 01:37.13 | Absolute0 | i just installed base |
| 01:37.18 | torrr | griffbrad, |
| 01:37.19 | Absolute0 | and now i am getting whatever i need |
| 01:37.19 | rahul | Absolute0: look at what x-window-system-core depends on and go from there |
| 01:37.23 | k13 | enouf: for sure is do-able... but there's no "--all" option in cp/mv =/ |
| 01:37.24 | Absolute0 | i want to run fluxbox |
| 01:37.27 | enouf | FuzzyB: just a hypothetical mv/cp qquestion i proposed as a follow up to the cp hidden files one |
| 01:37.33 | Absolute0 | and use a nice nvidia driver |
| 01:37.38 | FuzzyB | ah |
| 01:37.46 | rahul | "nice" video drivers don't exist |
| 01:37.50 | rahul | they all suck, differently |
| 01:37.54 | Absolute0 | an nvidia driver |
| 01:37.56 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 01:37.58 | rahul | (which would be nice if they were girls) |
| 01:38.00 | torrr | griffbrad, it had no effect. I don't even what u+g is supposed to mean, but I did it: chmod -R u+g /home/ftp/* |
| 01:38.03 | Absolute0 | not a generic one i mean... |
| 01:38.05 | enouf | FuzzyB: I had previously rhetorted --> the better question is how to copy(or move) both hidden and non-hidden to somewhere else in one cp, or mv command |
| 01:38.06 | FuzzyB | look at matrox's drivers for X |
| 01:38.08 | FuzzyB | those are nice |
| 01:38.19 | rahul | FuzzyB: well, ok. but their cards suck. |
| 01:38.25 | Absolute0 | so no matter what i still need the xorg pkg correct? |
| 01:38.30 | griffbrad | torrr: u+g doesn't make sense. You need g+s. |
| 01:38.44 | rahul | Absolute0: yeah... or some set of packages it depends on |
| 01:38.49 | enouf | Absolute0: somewhere .. yes ... but that wasn't your question |
| 01:38.54 | Absolute0 | ok so i am getting that... |
| 01:38.57 | enouf | er originally ;-) |
| 01:38.58 | rahul | Absolute0: just browse the dependnecies |
| 01:38.58 | FuzzyB | i think that's what -a + -f does with cp |
| 01:39.01 | jpin | How can i know which gcc version compiled an executable, is this possible? |
| 01:39.05 | torrr | griffbrad, I think I have done it.. try again |
| 01:39.08 | jpin | (or a kernel) |
| 01:39.12 | Absolute0 | how do i browse dependencies? |
| 01:39.12 | torrr | I try again |
| 01:39.20 | FuzzyB | i just imaged a domU with cp -raf |
| 01:39.25 | FuzzyB | and it worked without a hitch |
| 01:39.25 | doschdn | what do these 2 lines mean (thats what i get if i try to mount nfs exports on boot)?: portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out \n RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). |
| 01:39.45 | FuzzyB | you need to start the portmap module or something |
| 01:39.52 | FuzzyB | or portmap itself |
| 01:40.10 | torrr | griffbrad, it has preserved the group, not the owner |
| 01:40.34 | enouf | FuzzyB: well actually i only ran into it using mv .. IIRC |
| 01:40.48 | enouf | jpin: fo kernel do cat /proc/version |
| 01:40.55 | doschdn | i have 2 xen domU's with identical configurations. one works and the other one prints that error |
| 01:41.07 | FuzzyB | then they aren't identical |
| 01:41.11 | jpin | enouf: ah thanks! |
| 01:41.26 | torrr | griffbrad, and besides, even if it works, I have a problem with the permissions which are not right |
| 01:41.28 | k13 | FuzzyB: but what if you want to copy/move all non-hidden and hidden in the current directory? |
| 01:41.30 | enouf | jpin: maybe "file filename" for binaries .. dunno |
| 01:41.32 | griffbrad | torrr: Right, that is what the setgid mode does on directories. What I was trying to set you earlier was that setuid has no effect on directories, only on executable files. I don't believe there is a way to have new files in a directory automatically owned by the owner of the directory. |
| 01:41.36 | FuzzyB | that's what the a is for |
| 01:41.43 | Absolute0 | what is the purpose of /etc/skel? |
| 01:41.45 | FuzzyB | and -r |
| 01:41.46 | jpin | enouf: thanks man |
| 01:41.51 | doschdn | and i can do a mount /mnt/test after booting, which works :/ and it doesnt start any portmapper daemons |
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| 01:41.54 | FuzzyB | if you copy the directory and everything under it |
| 01:41.57 | enouf | jpin: no prob |
| 01:41.58 | k13 | FuzzyB: -a is the same as -dpR |
| 01:41.58 | FuzzyB | that means the hidden files too |
| 01:42.08 | FuzzyB | good for you you can read a man page |
| 01:42.09 | Absolute0 | global bash settings? |
| 01:42.09 | enouf | k13: yep |
| 01:42.14 | enouf | heh |
| 01:42.28 | enouf | Absolute0: they're in /etc/bash.nashrc |
| 01:42.32 | enouf | Absolute0: they're in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 01:42.42 | Absolute0 | so what is /etc/skel for? |
| 01:42.46 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 01:42.47 | Absolute0 | templates? |
| 01:42.48 | enouf | Absolute0: I think .. and maybe /etc/profile |
| 01:43.00 | enouf | Absolute0: a template |
| 01:43.03 | FuzzyB | i thought it was /etc/skel/.bashrc or something |
| 01:43.12 | enouf | whatever .. go look ;-) |
| 01:43.13 | twobitsprite | I just installed vmware on my system, and it says it can't load libX11.so.6, even though it's right in /usr/lib ... |
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| 01:43.21 | FuzzyB | ldconfig |
| 01:43.26 | Absolute0 | gotchya |
| 01:43.27 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 01:43.30 | FuzzyB | i think is what fixes that |
| 01:43.33 | torrr | griffbrad, then I'll have to resort to something like dazuko |
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| 01:44.04 | twobitsprite | FuzzyB: talking to me? |
| 01:44.06 | Absolute0 | what do you guys think about ubunut? |
| 01:44.07 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 01:44.11 | Absolute0 | its based on debian... |
| 01:44.12 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 01:44.15 | twobitsprite | FuzzyB: what do I do with ldconfig? |
| 01:44.18 | FuzzyB | just run it |
| 01:44.22 | torrr | griffbrad, or add an option to do it to the fs... I wonder if _I_ can do it |
| 01:44.23 | Azar | Absolute0: we dont think about it.. |
| 01:44.25 | FuzzyB | i don't like ubuts |
| 01:44.39 | Absolute0 | hehe GOOD |
| 01:44.40 | twobitsprite | FuzzyB: doesn't output anything, and doesn't fix the problem |
| 01:44.44 | enouf | !tell Absolute0 -about apt howto |
| 01:44.48 | FuzzyB | stby |
| 01:45.01 | FuzzyB | have you tried to reinstall libX11? |
| 01:45.06 | enouf | Absolute0: apt-cache depends <pkg> and or rdepends |
| 01:45.25 | Absolute0 | oh nice cool |
| 01:45.25 | enouf | erm .. |
| 01:45.25 | Absolute0 | i should've just checked the man... |
| 01:45.25 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 01:45.34 | twobitsprite | FuzzyB: why would I have to reinstall it? the file is there... |
| 01:45.40 | FuzzyB | because |
| 01:45.40 | k13 | enouf: if you pass "." as the source parameter to cp -a, then everything is copied |
| 01:45.49 | k13 | I dunno that until now =P |
| 01:45.52 | FuzzyB | your library link path is messed up |
| 01:45.54 | FuzzyB | or something |
| 01:45.56 | enouf | k13: ok .. gotcha |
| 01:45.57 | FuzzyB | something is wrong |
| 01:46.12 | griffbrad | torrr: I think it's more a logical limitation than a technical one. If I'm writing a large file to a directory, but right when it's created the owner is switched to some other user, I might no longer have the permission necessary to finish writing the contents of the file. |
| 01:46.21 | Azar | wow, *.* translates into "." in linux... interesting |
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| 01:46.42 | rahul | *.* is not everything |
| 01:46.53 | dondelelcaro | it's everthing that contains at least one . |
| 01:46.54 | Azar | no, is "all" |
| 01:47.01 | Kevin` | *.* is everything with a . in it, think |
| 01:47.02 | twobitsprite | FuzzyB: there is no way to fix the lib path without reinstalling? |
| 01:47.04 | Kevin` | * is everything |
| 01:47.06 | Azar | yes all that contains . |
| 01:47.08 | FuzzyB | twobitsprite: i'm looking |
| 01:47.16 | FuzzyB | that's not hidden |
| 01:47.19 | FuzzyB | because you have .* too |
| 01:47.23 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: * is everything that doesn't start with a . |
| 01:47.24 | FuzzyB | which isn' the same as * |
| 01:47.37 | torrr | griffbrad, if it is that and the permissions together then it make sense again, since you will get the permissions you are entitled to |
| 01:47.37 | enouf | kpl: using mv /dir/* /otherdir/ doesn't copy all files |
| 01:47.49 | enouf | erm Kevin` .. afaict |
| 01:47.52 | k13 | how can I redraw irssi status bar? Something from console messed it up |
| 01:47.55 | bytekode | mv usually doesn't copy files |
| 01:47.59 | enouf | not kpl .. my bad |
| 01:48.08 | bytekode | ;p |
| 01:48.10 | Kevin` | can someone help me get apache working? http://pastebin.ca/439162 |
| 01:48.22 | Azar | mv is "move" or "rename" depends on context |
| 01:48.22 | FuzzyB | bytekode: yes it does |
| 01:48.30 | rahul | k13: ctrl-l |
| 01:48.30 | FuzzyB | if it's moving |
| 01:48.34 | FuzzyB | it will copy before delete |
| 01:48.39 | bytekode | ... |
| 01:48.40 | dondelelcaro | if you actually want to copy all the files, just cd /dir; find . -maxdepth 1 -print0|xargs -0 mv -t /otherdir/; |
| 01:48.40 | k13 | thanks, rahul |
| 01:48.45 | enouf | . doesn't either using mv |
| 01:48.47 | FuzzyB | that's why you can have a mv bork half way though and still maintain integerity |
| 01:48.48 | Kevin` | if it's moving BETWEEN FILESYSTEMS it will copy then delete |
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| 01:48.57 | enouf | bah .. my asterisks don't show up here ;-( |
| 01:48.57 | torrr | griffbrad, while I am at it , I'll add a "." file that is visible inside the directory and give permissions to the inside of the directory (i.e contained files names and directories) |
| 01:49.00 | Kevin` | if you mv from the same filsystem it just changes the location of the file |
| 01:49.01 | dondelelcaro | s/copy/mv/; |
| 01:49.02 | Kevin` | no copying |
| 01:49.08 | FuzzyB | well ya |
| 01:49.08 | enouf | they just bold that character(s) |
| 01:49.12 | FuzzyB | that' just remaping an inode |
| 01:49.15 | Kevin` | someone help me get apache working |
| 01:49.19 | FuzzyB | that's basically rename |
| 01:49.36 | griffbrad | Kevin`: that message isn't adequate explanation for it not starting. Please post the end of your error_log |
| 01:49.38 | enouf | what file systems ..?? |
| 01:49.46 | torrr | griffbrad, but I wonder if maybe I am reinventing the wheel |
| 01:49.48 | enouf | who said anything about a ntetwork? |
| 01:50.13 | Azar | bytekode: play for a while: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 01:50.18 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/439169 |
| 01:50.20 | N17AS | hi, installer in debian4 cannot find my SATA h/d, how to fix it? |
| 01:50.23 | cafuego | Kevin`: See how apche says it's using 192.168.1.4 and you'r testing 127.0.0.1? |
| 01:50.23 | griffbrad | torrr: Maybe there is another way to accomplish what you need. Why do want to change the owner anyway? |
| 01:50.39 | Kevin` | I have no idea why it says 192.168.1.4 |
| 01:50.47 | k13 | enouf: moving between two partitions (which are distinct file systems), does copy and delete |
| 01:50.49 | cafuego | Kevin`: Coz that's tyhe IP on eth0 i expect |
| 01:50.57 | Kevin` | cafuego : |
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| 01:51.05 | enouf | k13: not on my system ;-) |
| 01:51.16 | aubade | N17AS: Now that I know much of, but any idea what kind of SATA controller you have? |
| 01:51.16 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: okay, I removed pd6729 from /etc/modules and removed yenta_socket from /etc/hotplug/blacklist and rebooted. I ran modprobe -r yenta_socket then modprobe pd6729 and got an error message |
| 01:51.20 | cafuego | Anwyay, "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.1.4 for ServerName" is not what's making it not work. It's just a warning. |
| 01:51.34 | twobitsprite | enouf: and what does your system do when mving between filesystems? |
| 01:51.36 | Kevin` | cafuego http://pastebin.ca/439181 |
| 01:51.38 | N17AS | intel ICH6 |
| 01:51.39 | aubade | Not even, very unfamiliar with. X( |
| 01:51.51 | enouf | As i said --> using mv /dir/* /otherdir/ doesn't copy all files |
| 01:52.06 | twobitsprite | enouf: what files does it miss? |
| 01:52.11 | k13 | enouf: two partitions _are_ different file systems, they have two distincts file tables, for instance, even if they are the same "type" (e.g. ext3) |
| 01:52.24 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: and what was the error message? |
| 01:52.39 | torrr | griffbrad, It is kind of silly, but evolution mail don't have gnome-vfs, so users can't save mail attachments to a local FTP server in one shot , so I thought to have a soft link on their desktop and so they will be able to do it. But then it turned out that its saved with user name and permissions and thus the FTP can't access it then... |
| 01:52.54 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: failed to register irq 0, aborting |
| 01:53.06 | Kevin` | so, any ideas? |
| 01:53.08 | {Nathan} | dondelelcaro: I think I saw something about this on google, but I can't check on this laptop |
| 01:53.20 | enouf | man this coffe is good .. (for crappy instant coffee anyways) |
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| 01:53.42 | {Nathan} | enouf: if coffee has caffine then it is good. |
| 01:53.48 | {Nathan} | enouf: decaffe is crap. always. |
| 01:53.52 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: well, that's most likely a problem with the pd6729 driver. |
| 01:53.53 | griffbrad | torrr: Use g+s on the folder and then add the users to the group that owns the folder and set the umask of the folder so that permissions are set appropriately. |
| 01:54.10 | twobitsprite | {Nathan}: easy for you to say, you don't have a heart defect |
| 01:54.14 | dondelelcaro | enouf: a lot of instant coffees are surprisingly inoffensive. Not particularly good, but not bad. |
| 01:54.29 | enouf | twobitsprite: all the dotfiles .. but maybe i was within hte same partition .. and my experiments were then .. i forget .. i was too frustrated at the time that it just wasn't working as i expected .. tested many diff things |
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| 01:54.48 | enouf | twobitsprite: so the question remains .. |
| 01:54.51 | torrr | griffbrad, I don't have the man for umask |
| 01:54.58 | enouf | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 01:55.05 | twobitsprite | enouf: sounds like bash is configured to not include dot-files in wildcard expansion |
| 01:55.12 | k13 | enouf: and the problem with moving * isn't the mv itself, but the "*". Since the shell doesn't expands "*" to everything, still the hidden being referenced as ".*" |
| 01:55.13 | torrr | where is the man for umask? |
| 01:55.25 | Halitherses | Why am I geting this error when running rsync?: IO error encountered -- skipping file deletion |
| 01:55.35 | griffbrad | torrr: http://www.cse.msu.edu/cgi-bin/man2html?umask?1?/usr/man |
| 01:55.39 | enouf | dondelelcaro: teh maxwell house coffee (teabag style) are suprisingly good ;-) |
| 01:55.41 | k13 | twobitsprite: has bash that option? |
| 01:55.55 | dondelelcaro | enouf: yeah, I tend to go for tea if for some reason I need instant stuff |
| 01:55.55 | enouf | twobitsprite: ok .. thanks .. will look into that |
| 01:56.06 | twobitsprite | k13: I'm not sure if it can be changed... I was merely saying that it is bash which desides what "*" expands to |
| 01:56.11 | FuzzyB | tea++ |
| 01:56.12 | N17AS | aubade; it is not a new issue. i find on the internet that sid/sarge cannot find SATA on Toshiba notebook either. i though debain 4 already fixed this issue. |
| 01:56.54 | enouf | k13: makes sense .. i really need to understand bash/shell expansion and stuff... ritgh now , as it satnds, i happen to suck ass at it ;-P |
| 01:56.55 | griffbrad | Kevin`: It seems that the error in your logs is related to an IPC mechanism in the kernel. Check out the last comment on this Redhat bug: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=83324 Did you recently rebuild your kernel? |
| 01:57.01 | twobitsprite | enouf: read the bash man page... all of it |
| 01:57.12 | Kevin` | yes griffbrad |
| 01:57.12 | twobitsprite | enouf: it will greatly improve you life |
| 01:57.26 | enouf | twobitsprite: i have .. but i'm always doing 4258 other things too ;-( |
| 01:57.28 | torrr | griffbrad, it looks like its an environment variable, there isn't even a place to put an directory as an argument to umask |
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| 01:57.48 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 01:57.48 | enouf | twobitsprite: and this brain is all filled up ith nonsensical facts instead already ;-) |
| 01:57.56 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 01:58.00 | FuzzyB | ditto |
| 01:58.06 | twobitsprite | enouf: so, what happens when you finish one thing? does that number go down to 4257, or do you immediately have something else take its place? |
| 01:58.08 | {Nathan} | How can I install the 2.6.11 kernel in Lenny? |
| 01:58.19 | dondelelcaro | {Nathan}: build it manually and install it. |
| 01:58.27 | enouf | twobitsprite: it fluctuates .. within a 1000 or so ;-) |
| 01:58.35 | Kevin` | griffbrad do you have a suggesstion about what to do? |
| 01:58.37 | Pupeno | anyone using rails 1.2.3 experimental package in etch? |
| 01:58.41 | bzed | {Nathan}: why the hell do you want to do that? |
| 01:58.48 | {Nathan} | bzed: driver issues. |
| 01:58.55 | bzed | {Nathan}: which one? |
| 01:58.56 | griffbrad | torrr: Right. You'd change the umask for the FTP user generally, typically by appending the umask call to his .bashrc |
| 01:59.11 | {Nathan} | bzed: uhh... the 386 one I guess, if that's what you mean |
| 01:59.21 | twobitsprite | anyways, I'm still trying to figure out why vmware doesn't see libX11.so.6 ...... anyone have any ideas? I've done "export LDPATH=/usr/lib" ... no avail |
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| 01:59.35 | griffbrad | Kevin`: The final comment of that redhat bug has the tip you need, I believe. |
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| 01:59.38 | {Nathan} | bzed: if you mean which driver, it's the pd6927 pcmica driver |
| 01:59.47 | bzed | griffbrad: to a file the user can change by themselv? ftp users shouldn't have a system user at all. ymmv. |
| 01:59.50 | Kevin` | griffbrad rebuilding apache? :( |
| 01:59.53 | enouf | twobitsprite: LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 01:59.56 | torrr | griffbrad, but in this method they don't use an FTP user, just write directly to the ftp folder |
| 02:00.13 | torrr | griffbrad, from their own user account |
| 02:00.13 | twobitsprite | enouf: no dice |
| 02:00.19 | enouf | twobitsprite: no idea though really .. just guessing .. sorty |
| 02:00.28 | bzed | {Nathan}: pcmcia seems to be fucked up in general at the moment. at least I didn't manage to get a single card working in the last time |
| 02:00.28 | enouf | s/sorty/sorry |
| 02:00.36 | torrr | griffbrad, for which the ftp umask wouldn't be appropriate |
| 02:00.37 | twobitsprite | what's really wierd, is that obviously libX11 is bein found, because I'm running X right now... |
| 02:00.44 | enouf | hrh |
| 02:00.54 | torrr | griffbrad, I think |
| 02:00.54 | griffbrad | torrr: Ah, you're right. |
| 02:01.08 | k13 | twobitsprite: so is vmware's fault/misconfiguration |
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| 02:01.26 | bzed | twobitsprite: use ldd on the vmware binary and paste the output please |
| 02:01.32 | k13 | I've never run vmware, so I can't tell what could be... |
| 02:01.44 | twobitsprite | k13: I've had vmware running before, and I _highly_ doubt they released a broken version... esp. one _this_ broken |
| 02:01.46 | minus | http://filesource.org/fs/_res/firefoxcake/ |
| 02:01.46 | enouf | twobitsprite: export LD... ="$PATH:/usr/lib:/whatever/else" ?? |
| 02:01.53 | bzed | twobitsprite: vmware is probably only a shell script, you need to find the real binary and run ldd filename |
| 02:02.05 | twobitsprite | bzed: says "not a dynamic executable" |
| 02:02.15 | Pupeno | It seems my qemu, running Minix3, freezes when the screensaver is activated. Any deas? |
| 02:02.17 | bzed | twobitsprite: read again^^^^^^ |
| 02:02.29 | twobitsprite | bzed: did, sorry... am doing that |
| 02:02.31 | {Nathan} | Pupeno: disable the screensaver |
| 02:02.40 | intruder | twobitsprite: you can't only use the .vmx i need to have vmware-player installed |
| 02:03.02 | twobitsprite | intruder: eh? |
| 02:03.16 | Pupeno | {Nathan}: I've already thought the stupid workaround, but I would like to still have a screensaver. |
| 02:03.19 | twobitsprite | intruder: I'm trying to run vmware workstation |
| 02:03.36 | torrr | griffbrad, I go to sleep, I'll leave the IRC client open, if you think of something you can still write it to me. Good night , and thanks for the help :) |
| 02:03.41 | intruder | oh well you need to pay for this |
| 02:03.55 | intruder | then if you paid, you got a commercial tech support available |
| 02:03.55 | griffbrad | torrr: Well, it seems like if the setgid bit is set on the folder and then the user's are in the same group as the owner of the folder accessed by the FTP user, then the default permissions most likely allow that user to at least read the files, right? |
| 02:04.31 | bzed | intruder: their tech support will say: what, you're not using red hat enterprise version 12312? go fuck yourself, we dont; support debian |
| 02:04.43 | Kevin` | how do I list the currently installed packages? |
| 02:04.57 | Pupeno | Kevin`: aptitude search ~i |
| 02:04.57 | torrr | griffbrad, compiling |
| 02:05.00 | bzed | !tell Kevin` about refcard |
| 02:05.02 | twobitsprite | man, what a fucked up shell script this is... |
| 02:05.26 | intruder | personnaly, i can do whatever i want with the player |
| 02:05.27 | bzed | Kevin`: dpkg -l would work, too |
| 02:05.33 | intruder | but why don't you use something else |
| 02:05.38 | intruder | like virtualbox |
| 02:05.48 | intruder | or other less proprietary things |
| 02:05.52 | twobitsprite | intruder: shhh :P |
| 02:05.55 | intruder | that recently came out |
| 02:05.56 | twobitsprite | intruder: I like vmware |
| 02:06.06 | griffbrad | Kevin`: Well, it seems the error you're getting is related to an IPC mechanism in the kernel. If you ensure that it is build properly in the kernel, you should be OK without have to re-build apache. |
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| 02:06.19 | intruder | well you don't seem to know it much |
| 02:06.30 | intruder | so how can you like it if it doesnt even work |
| 02:06.35 | Kevin` | griffbrad how do I ensure it's built properly in the kernel |
| 02:06.40 | intruder | anyway |
| 02:06.41 | twobitsprite | intruder: you got some kind of agenda or something? |
| 02:07.32 | k13 | does anyone experienced lag using the man pages? I tried using two pagers: less and the default "pager" |
| 02:07.45 | k13 | lag when navigating inside the page |
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| 02:08.07 | enouf | k13: not really .. |
| 02:08.13 | twobitsprite | k13: are you running in an xterm? could it be your video driver? i.e. do you experience lag in othe areas? |
| 02:08.14 | griffbrad | Kevin`: Well, you need the SysV IPC support build into the kernel. It's under the General Setup section of the kernel config tools. Make sure that is enabled and then rebuild your kernel. |
| 02:08.26 | Kevin` | griffbrad it is enabled |
| 02:08.32 | enouf | k13: i'm using an xterm here |
| 02:09.01 | enouf | k13: some manpages are HUGE ;-) |
| 02:09.04 | k13 | I'm currently in console (tty) |
| 02:09.13 | enouf | ahh.. fb |
| 02:09.24 | k13 | but inside X is laggy too |
| 02:09.42 | enouf | k13: your own compiled kernel? |
| 02:09.51 | k13 | in X I use the "yakuake" terminal, that uses the libkonsole |
| 02:09.54 | k13 | yes |
| 02:09.58 | k13 | framebuffer? |
| 02:10.00 | torrr | griffbrad, the problem with this is that the user write 0755 permissions, and then no one can write in a folder it creates |
| 02:10.10 | enouf | k13: what amt of RAM and video card info m etvc |
| 02:10.25 | enouf | k13: i use konsole as xterm |
| 02:10.38 | enouf | k13: yes framebuffer |
| 02:11.08 | torrr | griffbrad, especially the FTP server |
| 02:11.33 | Halitherses | I found a solution I am now using the --ignore-errors option in rysnc. |
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| 02:11.46 | torrr | griffbrad, but there is a read yes |
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| 02:13.36 | twobitsprite | lastlog ldd |
| 02:13.38 | twobitsprite | er |
| 02:13.45 | twobitsprite | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/439200 |
| 02:14.00 | griffbrad | Kevin`: How is the AcceptMutext directive set in your apache config? |
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| 02:14.01 | twobitsprite | bzed: (took me forever to figure out what that damn shell script was doing...) |
| 02:14.15 | griffbrad | Kevin`: *AcceptMutex |
| 02:14.42 | bzed | twobitsprite: ouch. who ever wrote the build stuff for that vmware thing should be shot |
| 02:14.54 | Kevin` | checking |
| 02:15.11 | twobitsprite | bzed: any reason in particular? |
| 02:15.23 | Kevin` | kwzs:/etc/apache2# grep -iR acceptmutex * |
| 02:15.24 | Kevin` | kwzs:/etc/apache2# |
| 02:15.25 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 02:15.26 | bzed | twobitsprite: it doesn't find a single library |
| 02:15.35 | twobitsprite | bzed: ohh, right... |
| 02:15.36 | k13 | enouf: yeah, my videocard's framebuffer was not compiled in kernel |
| 02:15.36 | bzed | twobitsprite: and somehow I doubt your system is fucked up |
| 02:15.47 | bzed | twobitsprite: paste LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/lib:/usr/lib" ldd thatbinary please |
| 02:16.32 | enouf | k13: and there ya go ;-) |
| 02:16.32 | twobitsprite | set that variable, then ldd again? |
| 02:16.33 | bzed | twobitsprite: you can do it in one line |
| 02:16.37 | griffbrad | Kevin`: Add the following line to your apache config and try to start again: AcceptMutex pthread |
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| 02:16.54 | twobitsprite | bzed: about the same |
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| 02:17.06 | rata | hi |
| 02:17.21 | noken | what is the new 'testing' called? |
| 02:17.24 | bzed | twobitsprite: oooh wait |
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| 02:17.32 | twobitsprite | noken: /topic |
| 02:17.33 | bzed | twobitsprite: you're runnign and amd64, right |
| 02:17.41 | twobitsprite | bzed: ohh shit, your right. |
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| 02:17.54 | rata | does etch-proposed-updates do not exist (sarge-proposed-updates exists) or am i just having problems with the mirror ? anyone know ? |
| 02:17.59 | noken | twobitsprite: oh, sorry, should have read there first. |
| 02:18.00 | bzed | twobitsprite: and you've installed the i386 version |
| 02:18.01 | bzed | ;) |
| 02:18.11 | twobitsprite | bzed: yep, that would be it |
| 02:18.14 | twobitsprite | intruder: eat that |
| 02:18.18 | Kevin` | griffbrad http://kwzs.be/ :) |
| 02:18.46 | bzed | twobitsprite: good luck with the amd64 version then ;) |
| 02:18.50 | bzed | good night! |
| 02:18.53 | twobitsprite | bzed: heh, thanks |
| 02:18.56 | twobitsprite | night bzed |
| 02:19.06 | griffbrad | Kevin`: Sweet. |
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| 02:19.41 | noken | would like to know the hardware and software for videoconferencing. any recommendation? |
| 02:19.52 | k13 | twobitsprite: hehehe |
| 02:20.03 | twobitsprite | k13: :) |
| 02:20.08 | k13 | twobitsprite: having success running 64 bits apps? |
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| 02:20.43 | twobitsprite | k13: this is the first obstacle I've come accross... well, except for Flash in iceweasel, but that might just be a blessing in disguise :P |
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| 02:22.56 | hunshad | do I have downloaded a file tar.gz or rpm when I want adobe flash player under debian |
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| 02:24.58 | twobitsprite | damn... virtualbox doesn't run on 64-bit |
| 02:25.25 | twobitsprite | looks like I might have to do that chroot thing afterall |
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| 02:26.26 | {Nathan} | How can I find out what dev thingy my mouse uses? xorg craps out when it's /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice |
| 02:26.33 | k13 | twobitsprite: I'm thinking in going into that adventure with a server I work in my project at university. Since that server is not that critical mission, I guess I can do that... |
| 02:27.04 | noken | no one here does videoconferencing ? |
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| 02:28.29 | hunshad | do I have downloaded a file tar.gz or rpm when I want adobe flash player under debian |
| 02:29.35 | noken | ? |
| 02:29.48 | noken | hunshad: tar.gz. |
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| 02:30.14 | liable | are those jmicron sata chips supported well now? |
| 02:30.31 | hunshad | ok |
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| 02:32.12 | sebastian | Hi ppl.. I was uninstalling KDM and all of a sudden i was thrown out to console mode.. how do I get to my XFCE4 session? |
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| 02:32.33 | {Nathan} | sebastian: startx |
| 02:32.39 | sebastian | ok.. |
| 02:32.42 | sebastian | ill try that |
| 02:32.55 | thorat | but you should have some *dm |
| 02:33.02 | thorat | I use wdm |
| 02:33.06 | thorat | but it's old and ugly |
| 02:33.09 | {Nathan} | wdm? never heard of it... |
| 02:33.23 | thorat | I use windowmaker |
| 02:33.24 | sebastian | Damn.. XD Its good to startx as root rite :P |
| 02:33.39 | thorat | it's based on the same minimal X library wrapper called wings |
| 02:33.54 | thorat | I mean wdm is |
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| 02:34.01 | {Nathan} | I don't use anything, xorg refuses to start without a mouse and I don't know which /dev/ node it's on |
| 02:34.13 | minus | Thanks guys! :) |
| 02:34.17 | zinx | {Nathan}: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 02:34.21 | minus | But.. how do i get to consolemod from my xfc session=e |
| 02:34.25 | minus | ?* |
| 02:34.25 | {Nathan} | zinx: tried it |
| 02:34.37 | minus | i neet do shut down irssi |
| 02:34.41 | zinx | {Nathan}: what sort of mouse? |
| 02:34.47 | {Nathan} | minus: /exec startx |
| 02:34.52 | k13 | twobitsprite, enouf: "shopt -s dotglob". This will enable "*" matching hidden files/dirs. |
| 02:35.07 | {Nathan} | zinx: It's a ps/2 mouse I think, it came with my laptop. Some of it doesn't work, but it should still be detected. |
| 02:35.16 | {Nathan} | zinx: it's an old 133mhz laptop w/ 32mb ram |
| 02:35.24 | enouf | k13: hey . cool .. thanks .. is that per-session only though? |
| 02:35.25 | zinx | {Nathan}: round connector? |
| 02:35.31 | minus | {Nathan}, no.. i mean, im in xfce4 session now.. but how do i get to the console so i can /quit the irssi |
| 02:35.41 | {Nathan} | zinx: it's the internal mouse |
| 02:35.51 | zinx | {Nathan}: it's not being detected |
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| 02:36.06 | {Nathan} | minus: get into a terminal, type ps -au, find the PID of irssi, and kill it |
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| 02:36.14 | k13 | enouf: yes |
| 02:36.21 | zinx | {Nathan}: possibly due to using some proprietary protocol, or possibly due to the mouse not being enabled somehow |
| 02:36.21 | {Nathan} | zinx: is there a way I can start X without it? I want to use the keyboard as a mouse anyway. |
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| 02:36.29 | zinx | {Nathan}: yeah, there is |
| 02:36.30 | k13 | enouf: may add it to .bashrc |
| 02:36.35 | {Nathan} | zinx: ^^ |
| 02:36.39 | minus | {Nathan}, ok.. so i cant get to a console session and kill it that way? |
| 02:36.45 | enouf | k13: right-o ;-) |
| 02:36.48 | {Nathan} | minus: run xterm |
| 02:37.15 | thorat | minus: to get into console: CTRL+ALT+F1, etc |
| 02:37.15 | minus | {Nathan}, i've ilready killed it.. But i mean.. |
| 02:37.23 | {Nathan} | minus: ? |
| 02:37.23 | minus | ah.. |
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| 02:37.28 | minus | ctrl alt fx |
| 02:37.30 | zinx | {Nathan}: man xorg.conf, /AllowMouseOpenFail |
| 02:37.32 | minus | that was what imeant |
| 02:37.34 | thorat | minus: to get back to X: ALT+F7 |
| 02:37.39 | minus | thanks! |
| 02:38.02 | zinx | {Nathan}: /dev/input/mice, which is an emulated "ExplorerPS/2" style mouse, should work for all mice the kernel detects, for future reference |
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| 02:42.07 | muhoo | are there any libre backup programs that'll split up a volume into multiple DVD-ROM-sized chunks for backup, but save them as actual files, not as, for example, dump or tar archives? |
| 02:42.33 | cafuego | muhoo: amanda |
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| 02:42.47 | cafuego | muhoo: You'll need to tell it to back up to DVD sized virtual tapes |
| 02:43.00 | cafuego | And set upa large enough virtual tape pool |
| 02:43.05 | muhoo | thanks. i was kind of afraid you were gonna say amanda :-/ . amazing tool, really complicated to set up. |
| 02:43.26 | muhoo | but, i suppose i should invest the time and just use amanda. |
| 02:43.26 | muhoo | cafuego: thanks |
| 02:43.29 | cafuego | yeah. I've got mine set up to abckup now, but sadly restore doesn't work (yet ;-) |
| 02:43.30 | muhoo | s/use/learn/ |
| 02:43.35 | cafuego | I foubnd a nice HOWTO though |
| 02:43.37 | Azar | Ars Technica :" The 4.0 release also includes a new version of Debian's package manager, which can now download package list diffs instead of entire package lists in order to improve performance. " HUH? which one? |
| 02:43.40 | cafuego | let me see if i can find it |
| 02:44.15 | Azar | which new version of package manager? aptitude? |
| 02:44.21 | cafuego | Azar: dpkg/apt |
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| 02:44.38 | Azar | cafuego: dpkg and apt are not "new" to me |
| 02:44.50 | cafuego | it's INFURIATINGLY slow on a machine with a slow cpu/hdd |
| 02:44.52 | {Nathan} | I enabled using the mouse as a keyboard via ctrl+shift+numlock, how do I click? |
| 02:45.01 | aubade | Anyone have an idea why graveman isn't on the stable/testing repos? |
| 02:45.07 | cafuego | Azar: "new version" not "new application". |
| 02:45.21 | Azar | cafuego: ah, my bad |
| 02:45.25 | Azar | aubade: was it ever? |
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| 02:45.42 | aubade | Azar: Dunno, two-days into Debian and not familiar with history of. :| |
| 02:46.10 | Azar | aubade: ahhhh, well two possible reasons: the application is non-free, orrr..... it is buggy as hell |
| 02:46.30 | Azar | aubade: what is that application about? |
| 02:46.39 | cafuego | muhoo: http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Test_environment_with_virtual_tapes |
| 02:47.05 | aubade | GTK front-end to cdrdao/cdrecord. |
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| 02:47.31 | Saz|Laptop | apt-spy is segfaulting... |
| 02:47.38 | rcbarnes | I know, I know. Google is my friend, but my system isn't finished enough to run X, and I'm not done setting up elinks---keeping that in mind, I'm going to ask a question: how well do the binary drivers work with Etch x86_64? |
| 02:47.55 | Azar | aubade: buggy as hell therefore it is in Debian UNSTABLE: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/graveman |
| 02:47.57 | rcbarnes | Saz|Laptop: I had the same issue. Check your sources file. It hosed mine when it died. |
| 02:48.02 | rcbarnes | :-/ |
| 02:48.16 | Saz|Laptop | it's an empty file, yeah |
| 02:48.20 | Saz|Laptop | but I backed it up beforehand |
| 02:48.26 | aubade | How 'iffy' is unstable? Heard some war stories in other channels. |
| 02:48.30 | rcbarnes | Saz|Laptop: lucky you. :-) |
| 02:48.40 | Saz|Laptop | but yeah |
| 02:48.46 | Saz|Laptop | what's up with apt-spy? |
| 02:48.55 | Saz|Laptop | i got the actual dpkg off the packages site |
| 02:48.55 | Azar | aubade: very but, not sure if you could use backports to install it, but it will be...... unstable |
| 02:49.45 | Azar | aubade: to use unstable you should be confident that you knowhow to fix broken packages |
| 02:49.54 | Saz|Laptop | does apt-spy work for anyone else? |
| 02:49.58 | aubade | 'd be a no. lol |
| 02:50.29 | Azar | aubade: see if you can find a package in Etch with similar functionality, but at least would be stable |
| 02:50.53 | aubade | 's actually a good slew of packages on their project site, thanks though. |
| 02:51.57 | Saz|Laptop | I'm guessing that's a no then |
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| 02:54.21 | muhoo | cafuego: oh yeah, i forgot that amanda insists on copying every file it is going to back up, onto a hard disk somewhere, dupllicating it on disk |
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| 02:55.35 | muhoo | though its network backup features might be useful for how i'm set up these days |
| 02:56.58 | balman | "scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory". got this when i 'make menuconfig'. i have confirmed that the linux-header concerned is the latest installed. what is wrong? |
| 02:58.16 | Saz|Laptop | ugh, why the hell is this segfaulting |
| 02:58.26 | Saz|Laptop | does apt-spy work for -anyone-? |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | checked the bts ? |
| 02:59.13 | Saz|Laptop | im looking around |
| 02:59.25 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 02:59.38 | Harzilein | now that my mtools patch works i should make it more presentable |
| 02:59.42 | Saz|Laptop | it's not helping that my laptop is running slower than molases |
| 02:59.46 | Harzilein | i added a -O option |
| 02:59.47 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~/mtools-3.9.10.ds1$ ./mdir -O 32256 -i ~/FDSTD.hdimage :: |
| 03:00.29 | Harzilein | but all it does is write to a global variable which gets passed when -i calls the config routine for the image |
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| 03:00.43 | Harzilein | i think that's dirty... |
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| 03:02.08 | hackmiester[LT] | SHIT! |
| 03:02.14 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: relocation error: /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 03:02.21 | hackmiester[LT] | What the HELL. Any ideas? |
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| 03:03.09 | hackmiester[LT] | aldsjlfjadjsfkjadsflksjdf |
| 03:03.16 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: you're mixing and matching libc6 versions. |
| 03:03.27 | hackmiester[LT] | yes I can't fix it with dpkg cause dpkg wont run!!!! |
| 03:03.33 | rpc | hackmiester[LT] so cool. |
| 03:03.39 | rpc | why not fix dpkg then? |
| 03:03.41 | hackmiester[LT] | any chance you might upload your version of that file? |
| 03:03.47 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: so get the right version of libc6 that you need, and install it. |
| 03:04.05 | Saz|Laptop | hmm |
| 03:04.06 | rpc | dondelelcaro what's the mess all about? just jumped in he he |
| 03:04.09 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: you can download it just as well as we can; it's on packages.debian.org |
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| 03:04.19 | hackmiester[LT] | dondelelcaro: can't, there is no dpkg! |
| 03:04.28 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: you don't need dpkg. |
| 03:04.32 | Saz|Laptop | nope, dont see anything about segfaults in the 3.1-16 version |
| 03:04.34 | rpc | hackmiester[LT] what on earth are you trying to fix? |
| 03:04.41 | hackmiester[LT] | dpkg: relocation error: /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 03:05.05 | markybob | guess now you'll learn not to mix |
| 03:05.33 | hackmiester[LT] | markybob: I didn't do it. |
| 03:05.39 | hackmiester[LT] | dondelelcaro: how do I get the file out of that then? |
| 03:05.43 | hackmiester[LT] | if not using dpkg |
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| 03:05.50 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: with dpkg-deb, or ar and tar. |
| 03:06.01 | hackmiester[LT] | markybob: I installed a package with apt-get and now I'm mixing... |
| 03:06.06 | Saz|Laptop | can anyone reproduce a segfault when using apt-spy? |
| 03:06.18 | Saz|Laptop | "apt-spy -d foo -o foo.list" for example produces one |
| 03:06.19 | rpc | hackmiester[LT] why did you do that? |
| 03:06.29 | hackmiester[LT] | rpc: install a package with apt-get? |
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| 03:06.37 | rpc | hackmiester[LT] what debian? |
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| 03:06.50 | sigp239 | For an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz CPU, is linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 the correct kernel? Thanks. |
| 03:06.55 | hackmiester[LT] | dondelelcaro: I can't run any of those. |
| 03:07.00 | rpc | sigp239 yes |
| 03:07.01 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: it's not that you installed a package with apt-get, it's that you're running a libc6 which doesn't have GLIBC_PRIVATE defined, which the version we distribute has defined. |
| 03:07.01 | hackmiester[LT] | rpc: 4.0 |
| 03:07.02 | minus | Can someone tell me why GDM refuses to start when i restart X ? |
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| 03:07.27 | hackmiester[LT] | dondelelcaro: argh! well I've not modified my libc6, only thing that has is apt-get :( |
| 03:07.28 | Saz|Laptop | ugh, screw it |
| 03:07.31 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: clearly not. |
| 03:07.44 | Saz|Laptop | stupid broken programs |
| 03:07.45 | hackmiester[LT] | dondelelcaro: I'm not exactly sure what has done that if not apt-get |
| 03:07.46 | minus | And when you try to start GDM it compalains that it's already running.. so you got to kill gdm and then typ gdm to start it |
| 03:07.54 | hackmiester[LT] | sigp239: you might want smp |
| 03:08.03 | Azar | minus: as root? |
| 03:08.05 | sigp239 | hackmiester: That was my next question. |
| 03:08.06 | rpc | hackmiester[LT] that one IS smp |
| 03:08.07 | sigp239 | :) |
| 03:08.07 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: build it with debugging support, and/or file a bug. |
| 03:08.18 | hackmiester[LT] | rpc: thanks - just kidding sigp239 |
| 03:08.21 | Saz|Laptop | I'd just like to know if anyone can reproduce it first |
| 03:08.25 | rpc | sigp239 all new kernels are automatically smp if your cpu supports that |
| 03:08.29 | Saz|Laptop | just to see if it's just me |
| 03:08.33 | rpc | no more non-smp kernels |
| 03:08.39 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: what does nm -D /lib/libc.so.6; output? |
| 03:08.53 | minus | Azar, What do you mean.. If im logged in as my user account and restart X "Ctrl alt backspace" gdm doesn't start.. |
| 03:09.00 | sigp239 | rpc: roger that |
| 03:09.12 | hackmiester[LT] | an assload of stuff, dondelelcaro. shoudl I pastebin it? |
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| 03:09.14 | sigp239 | uname -a says SMP I notice as well |
| 03:09.25 | rpc | hm is it possible to kindly ask mtr to use an ip alias when sending icmps? so it won't appear to come from my prpimary ip on the destination host |
| 03:09.32 | Azar | minus: what if you just "startx" command? |
| 03:09.33 | rpc | primary* |
| 03:09.38 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: I'm only interested in the first bit. An md5sum /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 03:09.43 | rpc | sigp239 right |
| 03:09.51 | nn-laptop | how can i find out when all accounts on my server were last used |
| 03:10.01 | minus | Azar, Why? The problem is that the graphical logginwindow doesn't apear |
| 03:10.05 | dondelelcaro | rpc: -a |
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| 03:10.11 | minus | I'll try again.. BRB |
| 03:10.15 | dondelelcaro | rpc: man mtr for details |
| 03:10.21 | rpc | nn-laptop try last |
| 03:10.22 | hackmiester[LT] | I get a lot of lines like this dondelelcaro 00035ae0 T a64l |
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| 03:10.44 | rpc | dondelelcaro very nice, thank you |
| 03:10.44 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: I'm interested in the first 10 lines or so |
| 03:10.46 | hackmiester[LT] | ok will pastebin |
| 03:10.51 | dondelelcaro | but give me the first 30 or so |
| 03:11.00 | dondelelcaro | and the md5sum as well. |
| 03:11.10 | Azar | mindframe_: see if "top" shows any X session started.. |
| 03:11.18 | nn-laptop | rpc !! thanks |
| 03:11.19 | Saz|Laptop | ugh, this sucks |
| 03:11.24 | Saz|Laptop | and none of my mirrors are working |
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| 03:11.29 | rpc | nn-laptop pretty easy, isn't it :) |
| 03:11.29 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:11.29 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:11.34 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: see above |
| 03:12.02 | minus | Hm.. wierd.. It works now.. I Just put a standar theme as loginwindow.. and then put back myc special theme |
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| 03:12.25 | hackmiester[LT] | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/439254 |
| 03:12.32 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: but guessing based on your location, you probably just want debian.usc.edu or linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
| 03:12.39 | sigp239 | Is the kernel source package linux-source-2.6.18 ? |
| 03:12.45 | dondelelcaro | sigp239: yes |
| 03:12.49 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, I'm actually doing this from my server |
| 03:12.54 | Saz|Laptop | it's location I actually have no idea |
| 03:13.01 | Saz|Laptop | it might be germany, it might be ohio |
| 03:13.05 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: traceroute to it |
| 03:13.07 | Saz|Laptop | IP traces keep giving me differnet results |
| 03:13.11 | minus | Go to sleep maybe.. The sun is rising.. Am in the mornin' |
| 03:13.13 | minus | Nite all! |
| 03:13.18 | rpc | dondelelcaro do you have an idea how to quickly verify if -a works fine in mtr? |
| 03:13.30 | sigp239 | dondelelcaro: when I click to install it, I get a warning about this software not being authenticated. What do you make of that? |
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| 03:13.37 | Saz|Laptop | like, dnsstuff tells me it's germany |
| 03:13.44 | Saz|Laptop | but a whois tells me US |
| 03:13.48 | Azar | mindframe_: Alt-F7 maybe |
| 03:13.54 | Saz|Laptop | but another traceroute tells me US as well |
| 03:13.58 | dondelelcaro | sigp239: that just means you haven't added the pgp keys so it can be authenticated |
| 03:14.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 742] by debhelper |
| 03:14.04 | Saz|Laptop | but it says it's from a german registrar |
| 03:14.05 | rpc | Saz|Laptop what are you trying to break? :) |
| 03:14.09 | Saz|Laptop | ? |
| 03:14.21 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: the traceroute is what matters; the actual dns registrars don't. |
| 03:14.24 | Saz|Laptop | I've just been trying to see if apt-spy segfaults for anyone else |
| 03:14.34 | Saz|Laptop | well I've had 2 traceroutes tell me germany |
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| 03:14.45 | Saz|Laptop | err |
| 03:14.48 | Saz|Laptop | 1 traceroute |
| 03:14.51 | Saz|Laptop | another told me US |
| 03:14.54 | rpc | Saz|Laptop what domain/ip? |
| 03:14.56 | dondelelcaro | traceroute from where? |
| 03:15.15 | Saz|Laptop | 82.165.178.70 |
| 03:15.15 | sigp239 | What is the reason for the pgp keys not being installed/setup along with a fresh installation? |
| 03:15.20 | rpc | that's EU |
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| 03:15.24 | dondelelcaro | sigp239: they should have been. |
| 03:16.01 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: yeah, you probably want the ftp.de.debian.org mirror |
| 03:16.09 | rpc | Saz|Laptop sorry, it's in US |
| 03:16.11 | Azar | sigp239: you got errors related to pgp at aptitude update? |
| 03:16.37 | sigp239 | Azar: yes using Synaptic Package Manager. Installing linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 03:16.37 | Saz|Laptop | rpc, see> |
| 03:16.39 | Saz|Laptop | *? |
| 03:16.41 | Saz|Laptop | it's hard to say |
| 03:16.47 | Saz|Laptop | are you sure it's US? |
| 03:16.50 | rpc | well i'm actually sure it's US |
| 03:16.53 | Azar | sigp239: see if you set up the time/date correctly and try again |
| 03:16.55 | hackmiester[LT] | dondelelcaro: that didn't work! I just extracted libc6 deb and copied the files it complains about. it still complains about them |
| 03:16.57 | Saz|Laptop | in that case |
| 03:17.01 | rpc | even though that ip class is usually used in EU.. |
| 03:17.03 | Saz|Laptop | why is ftp.us.debian.org timing out |
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| 03:17.15 | Saz|Laptop | like I said, it's a german registrar |
| 03:17.15 | dondelelcaro | rpc: it's definetly not in the US, actually. |
| 03:17.38 | rpc | dondelelcaro it surely is... it goes over the EU-US link.. |
| 03:17.44 | Azar | dondelelcaro: wasnt' that a recent bug about ftp.debian.org? |
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| 03:18.04 | rpc | dondelelcaro in London actually :) |
| 03:18.17 | dondelelcaro | rpc: it may go from london to ny to eu, but it definetly leaves ny. |
| 03:18.33 | sigp239 | Azar: my time zone was wrong |
| 03:18.35 | rpc | just look at the london-ny link and ping reply... |
| 03:18.53 | sigp239 | Azar: how do I re-test to see if pgp keys are working correctly? |
| 03:18.53 | rpc | 90ms tells me it's definetly going to US |
| 03:18.54 | Azar | sigp239: then if you fixed it, it should work now, do an update first |
| 03:19.18 | hackmiester[LT] | ARGH! Now I can't run any commands. Yeah I'm screwed |
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| 03:19.38 | rpc | dondelelcaro and it's never coming back to EU after that... |
| 03:19.47 | hackmiester[LT] | Bus error every time I do anything at all |
| 03:19.49 | hackmiester[LT] | can't even halt |
| 03:19.50 | hackmiester[LT] | fuck fuck fuck |
| 03:20.04 | hackmiester[LT] | ok yeah I'm going to halt this thing and see if I can fix it using a live cd |
| 03:20.06 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: you need to boot off of known good media, and fix your libc6. |
| 03:20.15 | hackmiester[LT] | just what I was thinking |
| 03:20.21 | sigp239 | should I comment out or remove the cdrom lines in my sources.list ? |
| 03:20.21 | dondelelcaro | hackmiester[LT]: the paste you showed me is not what you'd ever get from a Debian libc6. |
| 03:20.22 | hackmiester[LT] | I was SCPing over the files adn apparently I killed the sshd |
| 03:20.32 | Azar | sigp239: comment them |
| 03:20.34 | hackmiester[LT] | meaning I have like half copied shit now |
| 03:20.40 | Guerin | hackmiester[LT]: you lose |
| 03:20.43 | hackmiester[LT] | indeed |
| 03:20.47 | dondelelcaro | rpc: possible; it's definetly hooked into schlund though, which is not a US network. |
| 03:20.48 | Guerin | why were you scping root? |
| 03:20.55 | hackmiester[LT] | so now yeah, a live cd is the only way I think. I'll scp them that way and then they won't be in use |
| 03:21.01 | rpc | dondelelcaro it is... but that's their US server :) |
| 03:21.12 | sigp239 | So if I can do an apt-get update without errors, then my pgp keys are working right, correct? |
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| 03:21.19 | rpc | dondelelcaro see the ripe entry for that ip class |
| 03:21.26 | hackmiester[LT] | Guerin: it's not like this could get any worse |
| 03:21.26 | dondelelcaro | rpc: I've already looked at it |
| 03:21.35 | Azar | sigp239: yes they should work, try to get used using "aptitude update", "aptitude install" |
| 03:21.37 | Saz|Laptop | so what |
| 03:21.43 | Saz|Laptop | is my IP US or EU? |
| 03:21.52 | rpc | dondelelcaro AS8560 = SCHLUND-USA-1 |
| 03:22.00 | rpc | that explains alot ;) |
| 03:22.25 | dondelelcaro | rpc: right; but it's kind of wierd to have a server in a transatlantic link cabinet |
| 03:22.37 | rpc | Saz|Laptop you don't know where in the world are you? ;) |
| 03:22.47 | Saz|Laptop | I meant my server's IP :P |
| 03:22.57 | rpc | dondelelcaro well schlund is wierd in general ;) |
| 03:22.58 | Saz|Laptop | the one you two are arguing about :P |
| 03:23.12 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: in any event, it appears to be somewhere in new york. |
| 03:23.14 | rpc | Saz|Laptop the 82. one? US definetly |
| 03:23.27 | Saz|Laptop | alright |
| 03:23.29 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: so use the mit mirror, or the telestra one. |
| 03:23.34 | Saz|Laptop | then why is ftp.us timing out anyway? |
| 03:23.46 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: because it's a bunch of slow mirrors that everyone uses |
| 03:23.47 | rpc | Saz|Laptop it's a german company owning some rack in NY datacenter |
| 03:23.54 | Guerin | Saz|Laptop: ftp.us is a round-robin |
| 03:24.03 | rpc | right. |
| 03:24.03 | sigp239 | Is the kernel header package linux-headers-2.6-686 ? |
| 03:24.04 | Saz|Laptop | yeah, 1and1 i think is originated in Germany |
| 03:24.06 | Saz|Laptop | or something |
| 03:24.16 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: yes; so is schlund |
| 03:24.50 | Guerin | sigp239: yes |
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| 03:24.50 | Azar | sigp239: yes, in Etch changed from kernel-whatever to linux-whatever |
| 03:24.50 | GhostlyDeath | Where can I get glibc2.4? |
| 03:24.50 | Saz|Laptop | schlund is where 1and1 gets it's servers from for 1and1.co.uk |
| 03:24.50 | Sashi | anyone know a good php editor? |
| 03:24.50 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: from google.com |
| 03:24.50 | Saz|Laptop | i wasnt sure if schlund had a US branch |
| 03:24.51 | rpc | Saz|Laptop you may try ftp.se.debian.org for great results to US |
| 03:24.53 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: warning: this is not what you want to do |
| 03:24.55 | rpc | good link to US there |
| 03:25.06 | GhostlyDeath | Guerin: Google isn't helping |
| 03:25.15 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: this is lucky for you. |
| 03:25.22 | sigp239 | linux headers do not depend on kernel source, or vice-versa? |
| 03:25.27 | Saz|Laptop | rpc, I'm not running the pirate bay |
| 03:25.33 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: why in the world do you want that version of glibc? |
| 03:25.34 | Saz|Laptop | I dont think i need sweeden servers :P |
| 03:25.36 | Guerin | sigp239: neither |
| 03:25.37 | rpc | Saz|Laptop lol |
| 03:25.48 | GhostlyDeath | dondelelcaro: a program requires it |
| 03:25.51 | Azar | sigp239: what you need? the linux-image-2.6.18 or the linux-header-2.6.18 ? |
| 03:25.56 | GhostlyDeath | plus I don't use a 2.4 kernel anyway |
| 03:25.57 | rpc | Saz|Laptop you wanted a fast one right? |
| 03:25.58 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: then that program isn't worth using |
| 03:26.10 | rpc | Saz|Laptop you can't say no to a gbit host then :) |
| 03:26.19 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: so fix it so that it works with 2.3.6 |
| 03:26.27 | sigp239 | Azar: I need kernel source and headers in order to install the nvidia closed-source non-free proprietary driver |
| 03:26.44 | Guerin | sigp239: just headers, probably. Not source. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:26.48 | Azar | sigp239: you can refine search with: apt-cache search linux-image then linux-headers |
| 03:26.53 | dondelelcaro | or if you really need to, use the 2.5-1 version |
| 03:27.05 | Azar | sigp239: why install that way when you got the etch nvidia? |
| 03:27.06 | Sashi | anyone know a good php editor? |
| 03:27.08 | rpc | how do i make sure if mtr -a really DOES use the ip i'm giving it? |
| 03:27.18 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, debian.lcs.mit.edu? |
| 03:27.19 | Guerin | Sashi: emacs > * |
| 03:27.20 | hackmiester[LT] | h |
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| 03:27.29 | Sashi | cmon.. |
| 03:27.30 | Sashi | seriously |
| 03:27.30 | rpc | any easy way to sniff packets being send out by my mtr? |
| 03:27.31 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: yes; it's reasonable in my experience. |
| 03:27.33 | sigp239 | Azar: how is the debian way better than the nvidia.com way? |
| 03:27.33 | Sashi | no CLI |
| 03:27.37 | Guerin | Sashi: seriously. None better. |
| 03:27.42 | Guerin | Sashi: emacs isn't cli. |
| 03:27.52 | Sashi | its in term |
| 03:27.54 | dondelelcaro | well, emacs isn't *just* CLI. |
| 03:27.58 | Azar | sigp239: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner << try it |
| 03:27.59 | Guerin | Sashi: no, it's not. |
| 03:28.02 | Guerin | not even by default |
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| 03:28.49 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: at least, it has been for my servers which are on the east coast |
| 03:28.51 | Azar | sigp239: is better in the way you do not need to sweat and compile the proprietary driver from their site, with uncertain results and no guarantee it will last.. |
| 03:29.00 | Saz|Laptop | alright, I'll go with it |
| 03:29.05 | Saz|Laptop | seems reasonably fast |
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| 03:29.26 | sigp239 | Azar: looks like I have to enable new repositories with the one-liner |
| 03:29.43 | Saz|Laptop | Fetched 7907kB in 3s (2397kB/s) |
| 03:29.45 | Saz|Laptop | Oh yeah |
| 03:29.48 | Saz|Laptop | that's perfect |
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| 03:30.15 | Azar | sigp239: no, just add non-free contrib at the end of each source (except security line) |
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| 03:31.02 | sigp239 | Azar: I don't think I want to add non-free contrib though |
| 03:31.33 | Azar | sigp239: when you are willing to add a non-free package to Debian this way or the other you are using non-free anyways |
| 03:31.35 | sigp239 | My aim is to keep this system as pure as possible |
| 03:31.58 | sigp239 | and unfortunately the 'nv' driver does not support my 8800 video card |
| 03:32.02 | Azar | sigp239: you could add the non-free contribu only THIS time while you get the nvidia driver, that is at least a .deb |
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| 03:32.29 | Azar | sigp239: nvidia will impure your system so ... think about |
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| 03:32.57 | Azar | sigp239: you can install the glx after that to get the whole nvidia experience |
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| 03:33.16 | sigp239 | Azar what glx? |
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| 03:34.09 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.58 | Azar | sigp239: the way you wanted to force compile the nvidia driver from the nvidia site, is dirtier than the nvidia one-liner from here |
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| 03:35.48 | Malf | !dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:35.58 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:36.00 | Malf | the question is.. am i feeling zesty enough for this |
| 03:36.05 | Malf | :( |
| 03:36.08 | jetscreamer | try /msg dpkg |
| 03:36.11 | Malf | yeah |
| 03:36.44 | xbaez | how can i make the dvi cable work with my nvidia card ? |
| 03:36.46 | Malf | that tends to work better than not |
| 03:36.47 | Harzilein | http://home.arcor.de/hrz/mtools-cmdlineoffset.patch.gz <- here's my patch, hopefully someone finds the time to clean it up, so i can send it to the upstream ;) |
| 03:36.47 | sigp239 | Azar: How so? The nvidia driver from the site seems rather clean. |
| 03:36.48 | Azar | jetscreamer: how can make dpkg tell sigp239 why he should not install the nvidia from the nvidia site |
| 03:36.58 | sigp239 | Educate me |
| 03:37.04 | Azar | sigp239: it is not clean enough for Debian |
| 03:37.41 | jetscreamer | i just use the nvidia-installer |
| 03:37.44 | Azar | sigp239: you can do that on other distros, not on Debian |
| 03:37.50 | Azar | !nvidia-installer |
| 03:37.50 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-installer was a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia one-liner> instead |
| 03:38.00 | jetscreamer | it functions flawlessly |
| 03:38.02 | sigp239 | I believe you; I mean, you are most probably right. But what are the reasons. |
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| 03:38.17 | jetscreamer | i can live with having to reinstall when xorg gets updated |
| 03:38.26 | Azar | sigp239: look what dpkg told you ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 03:38.30 | sigp239 | I read that |
| 03:38.33 | sigp239 | That's a good reason |
| 03:38.36 | Malf | off to hose my system by typoing some part of the one-liner instead of copy/pasting I go |
| 03:39.07 | Tortel | ok, can anyone tell me how to SCP to my debian system? I get a timeout error and the system im tring to connect to has this on the screen: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/Tortel/Error.jpg |
| 03:39.11 | sigp239 | So, if my kernel gets changed/upgraded, then my X will fail if I installed from nvidia.com |
| 03:39.30 | sigp239 | true? |
| 03:39.31 | Malf | until you re run the installer |
| 03:39.32 | Azar | sigp239: man if you feel adventurous like jetscreamer, go for it, if not just for the kicks... |
| 03:39.33 | Malf | pretty much |
| 03:39.35 | Malf | it can |
| 03:39.35 | jetscreamer | you just reinstall the driver again is all |
| 03:39.50 | Malf | it won't necessarily but it's fairly likely |
| 03:40.01 | jetscreamer | it does every upgrade |
| 03:40.07 | jetscreamer | kernel also |
| 03:40.09 | sigp239 | the nvidia.com driver is more up-to-date than the debian provided installer, true or false? |
| 03:40.10 | Malf | I was pretty sure I had one where it didn't |
| 03:40.13 | Malf | but I could be remembering wrong |
| 03:40.15 | jetscreamer | but it's trivial to reinstall it |
| 03:40.16 | Malf | it was quite a while ago |
| 03:40.22 | Azar | I did it once long ago while on woody.... I did not feel like installing it all over again |
| 03:40.23 | jetscreamer | could happen i guess |
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| 03:40.49 | jetscreamer | yeah it's a lot less painless now Azar and has better conflict detection or so |
| 03:40.49 | Malf | so do I want to pick nvidia over nv? |
| 03:41.01 | jetscreamer | over nv yes.. but you can use the debian packages |
| 03:41.03 | Malf | for my xserver driver or is it a toss up |
| 03:41.07 | Malf | yeah |
| 03:41.10 | Malf | it just asked during the install |
| 03:41.11 | Azar | I like to use a well tested package rather than a new one who needs me, you others as testers |
| 03:41.12 | Malf | just making sure |
| 03:41.24 | sigp239 | Malf: Why not just use nv? I would if I could, but I can't. |
| 03:41.35 | Malf | sigp239: I have been |
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| 03:41.41 | jetscreamer | Azar: i've only been testing it for about 2 years or so, guess i'll just have to try harder |
| 03:41.50 | sigp239 | Malf what reason do you have for changing from nv to the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 03:41.59 | jetscreamer | 3d |
| 03:42.03 | Azar | sigp239: I use nvidia instead of nv, and I did installed with dpkg's nvidia one-liner |
| 03:42.08 | jetscreamer | nv xorg driver doesn't do 3d |
| 03:42.20 | sigp239 | Malf do you need 3d? |
| 03:42.21 | jhford | hey, i was compiling my own 2.6.20 kernel with CK1 patchset using make-kpkg, and for some reason it is refusing to generate modules_image, instead it just spits out the source of a shell script. |
| 03:42.35 | jetscreamer | but there are debian packages for the nvidia 3d, and then there is the nvidia-installer from nvidia.com |
| 03:42.41 | kupesoft | So how "turbulent" is lenny? |
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| 03:42.59 | sigp239 | nvidia-installer from nvidia.com is more up-to-date than debian packages for nvidia 3d. |
| 03:43.01 | jetscreamer | jhford: the kernel specific headers are not available due to a missing kbuild |
| 03:43.10 | jetscreamer | package |
| 03:43.20 | Azar | jetscreamer: I installed with nvidia one-liner and running "nvidia", not "nv" and I got 3D games running |
| 03:43.30 | Malf | and off I go |
| 03:43.31 | jetscreamer | like the base headers are, but the -k7 (and -686 i guess) are not |
| 03:43.31 | Malf | with any luck |
| 03:43.33 | jhford | jetscreamer: so something broke while i compiled? |
| 03:43.37 | Malf | i'll come back with x working |
| 03:43.41 | jetscreamer | Azar: yes i know |
| 03:44.03 | sigp239 | Azar what version are your nvidia drivers? |
| 03:44.05 | Azar | sigp239: go ahead, if is not working you know now what to do |
| 03:44.20 | Azar | sigp239: never payed attention: it works flawlessly and runs 3D |
| 03:44.36 | jetscreamer | jhford: no, the headers, linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 are not available.. but the linux-headers-2.6.20 are |
| 03:44.59 | jetscreamer | if you're using those packages to build against |
| 03:45.08 | jetscreamer | but that's all i know about |
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| 03:45.22 | Azar | mannn, if is not the latest version, isnot good enough for some! |
| 03:45.45 | jhford | jetscreamer: i will pastebin what happens |
| 03:46.15 | jetscreamer | linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.20...linux-kbuild-2.6.20 does not appear to be available |
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| 03:47.03 | jetscreamer | Azar: it doesn't really matter which they choose to use eh.. and there is always the experimental ones, more up to date |
| 03:47.07 | jhford | jetscreamer: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7326 |
| 03:47.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 03:47.38 | jetscreamer | okie no idea |
| 03:47.46 | jhford | thanks anyway |
| 03:47.55 | jhford | this has never failed for me before |
| 03:48.06 | jetscreamer | jhford: then i guess you have be |
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| 03:48.09 | jetscreamer | b-e |
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| 03:48.40 | jhford | i think i will rm /usr/src/linux -rf and start again |
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| 03:50.06 | jetscreamer | jhford: you might want to configure /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 03:51.29 | jhford | will check that out |
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| 03:51.46 | jhford | hey off hand, do you know what assigns the 'eth0' name to each nic in a computer? |
| 03:51.49 | jetscreamer | are you sure it's modules_image? |
| 03:52.02 | jetscreamer | /etc/network/interfaces i think |
| 03:52.10 | jetscreamer | do make-kpkg --targets |
| 03:52.10 | liable | udev |
| 03:52.19 | jetscreamer | ah ok then it's udev |
| 03:52.29 | jhford | are the configs for udev in /etc/udev normally? |
| 03:52.42 | liable | yes udev.d |
| 03:53.12 | jhford | thanks! |
| 03:53.16 | liable | jhford: if you want to chnge the names, take a look in /usr/share/doc/udev, theres some nice docs in there |
| 03:53.33 | kupesoft | try iftab |
| 03:53.48 | kupesoft | iftab is part of udev, |
| 03:54.04 | rpc | any good domain registrar that you recommend guys? |
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| 03:55.29 | jhford | thanks liable! |
| 03:55.30 | jhford | htanks kupesoft |
| 03:55.30 | jhford | kupesoft: does the kernel use the MACs in that file to decide which card gets which interface? |
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| 03:56.56 | kupesoft | jhford: I think udev does, |
| 03:57.02 | kupesoft | jhford: I'm not completely sure, tbh |
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| 03:57.48 | jhford | kupesoft: who does it aside, does it use the mac addresses to persist the eth0 name? |
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| 03:58.04 | Madsy^ | Where can I find the source for Aptitude and APT? |
| 03:58.15 | jhford | sudo apt-get source apt |
| 03:58.20 | jhford | sudo apt-get source aptitude |
| 03:58.22 | jhford | maybe |
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| 03:58.44 | Madsy^ | jhford: I'll keep that in mind, allthough I'm on Windows now. |
| 03:59.04 | Madsy^ | I wanted to compile them for another platform, and it's on Windows I have my toolchain. |
| 03:59.19 | jhford | hmm, the debian ftp archives? |
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| 03:59.25 | jhford | *mirror |
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| 04:00.09 | jhford | Madsy^: http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/aptitude |
| 04:00.11 | Tortel | can someone please help me with connecting to my computer? |
| 04:00.20 | computer13137 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.21 | kupesoft | jhford: Yes! |
| 04:00.26 | jhford | connecting what to the computer :P |
| 04:00.31 | jhford | kupesoft: thanks! |
| 04:00.33 | kupesoft | jhford: Definitely, it'll assign a devices name based on it's mac address. |
| 04:00.39 | Madsy^ | jhford: Thanks a lot :) |
| 04:00.44 | Tortel | All I get when I try and SCP/anything else is http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/Tortel/Error.jpg |
| 04:00.53 | kupesoft | jhford: For example, my ipw3945 device is supposed to be eth1, but I named it wlan0 (because I'm weird like that0 |
| 04:00.59 | jhford | now, my card says something like SoftMAC, so does that mean my MAC address is variable or seomthing? |
| 04:01.11 | kupesoft | s/0$/)/ |
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| 04:01.29 | jhford | kupesoft: why i ask is my aironet 350 (airo) sometimes tries to take over my e100 (eth1), so the wlan0 would be nice actually |
| 04:01.40 | liable | Tortel: you have shorewall or something installed? |
| 04:01.47 | sigp239 | nvidia-installer gave this error: Unable to find the development tool 'cc' in your path; please make sure that you have the package 'gcc' installed. |
| 04:01.52 | jhford | * other way around, so they are both trying for eth1 |
| 04:01.53 | Madsy^ | Heh, a lot of dependancies for such a basic tool. Looks like I have big task ahead. |
| 04:01.59 | jhford | madsy: np |
| 04:02.02 | kupesoft | jhford: Most devices can have their mac address changed easily - which is fun to wireless penetration testing against white listing, |
| 04:02.19 | sigp239 | Yes I see that I already have gcc installed. |
| 04:02.28 | jhford | what is a good place to read up on that jazz, that is very interesting to me |
| 04:03.07 | Tortel | liable: I dont think I have a firewall |
| 04:03.48 | liable | Tortel: whats the output of 'iptables -L' ??? |
| 04:04.05 | kupesoft | jhford: I've no idea. I noticed that Ubuntu ships with udev and iftab already configured when I set up my friends box. I set it up with etch on my box pretty seemlessly after I installed udev and ifrename. |
| 04:04.10 | sigp239 | What are the minimum packages I need to install so that the nvidia-installer will no longer have the error "Unable to find the development tool `cc` in your path; please make sure that you have the package `gcc` installed." |
| 04:04.19 | kupesoft | jhford: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=iftab&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 04:04.32 | liable | !b-e sigp239 |
| 04:04.32 | dpkg | sigp239: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 04:04.34 | jhford | i meant changing macs :P |
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| 04:05.16 | kupesoft | jhford: Oh, changing macs? Easy as pie! |
| 04:05.21 | jhford | :O |
| 04:05.29 | Tortel | liable: any specific rule I am looking for? There is quite alot |
| 04:05.32 | kupesoft | jhford: ifconfig <device> hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx |
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| 04:05.43 | jhford | :doh: that is pretty simple |
| 04:05.48 | liable | Tortel: well, in that case you *do* have a firewall |
| 04:05.55 | kupesoft | jhford: (; |
| 04:05.55 | pickcoder | Tortel: if you don't have a firewall then why does iptables have anything |
| 04:06.06 | liable | Tortel: do you have firestarter or something installed? |
| 04:06.17 | Tortel | I amy... |
| 04:06.19 | Tortel | *may |
| 04:06.30 | Tortel | One minute |
| 04:06.45 | kupesoft | jhford: I've never tried to change a mac address of a device with that and failed, but apparently some ethernet devices (older ones?) won't allow it. |
| 04:06.45 | sigp239 | liable: why does build-essential depend upon linux-kernel-headers, and how are linux-kernel-headers different than linux-headers-2.6-686? |
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| 04:07.01 | jhford | kupesoft: is that permanent? |
| 04:07.10 | kakalto | I just installed a pci sound card. I disabled my onboard sound in my bios, but every few boots, debian switches back to my old soundcard, so I have to reconfigure by 'alsaconf'. Is there a way to permanently disable the first driver, so alsa loads my second driver and uses that? |
| 04:07.22 | kupesoft | sigp239: linux-kernel-headers is a meta package that points to the headers package of the kernel you've got. |
| 04:07.40 | liable | sigp239: to tell you the truth, i dont know what the hell those headers are for ;) it is prolly a meta-package to pull in your running kernels headers |
| 04:07.55 | sigp239 | kupesoft: But I already have the dependency package installed --> linux-headers-2.6-686 is a dependency package. |
| 04:08.05 | kupesoft | sigp239: build-essential is a meta package that points to what Debian has deemed as essential to build software (i. e. the most common toolchains) |
| 04:08.09 | pickcoder | sigp239: you can't build kernel essential stuff without the headers |
| 04:08.21 | kupesoft | sigp239: build-essential wants the meta package in case your kernel changes (security update or otherwise) |
| 04:08.26 | pickcoder | that mostly includes modules, but it also includes the kernel tree itself |
| 04:08.36 | kupesoft | jhford: Until you reboot or reload the drivers for the device |
| 04:08.45 | sigp239 | linux-headers-2.6-686 is already on my system though....what do I need linux-kernel-headers for? |
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| 04:08.54 | jack_deltrino | Is there a way to have GDM show both a username and a password prompt like KDM? |
| 04:09.17 | jhford | kupesoft: thanks for the help! |
| 04:09.17 | kupesoft | sigp239: Again, it's a meta-package, it points to the up-to-date kernel headers package (in case Debian updates the kernel) |
| 04:09.27 | kupesoft | jhford: No problem (; |
| 04:09.31 | pickcoder | !info linux-kernel-headers |
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| 04:09.41 | kupesoft | jhford: I'm particular interested in that sort of stuff ;/ |
| 04:09.44 | aztec105 | Hello all. This may be a question that needs to be addressed to Jamie Cameron and the developers of Webmin, but for some reason after the Etch was officialy released my system is no longer recognized as Debian 4.0 but now shows up as "Generic Linux version 2.6." any Ideas? |
| 04:09.44 | jhford | kupesoft: it is so hard to google for this kind of stuff |
| 04:09.49 | Tortel | liable: apartentyl I do have firestarter.... |
| 04:09.54 | kupesoft | jhford: Not really... |
| 04:09.59 | kupesoft | jhford: If you know where to look? |
| 04:10.00 | liable | sigp239: you just do. the people that packaged it decided so :P |
| 04:10.00 | sigp239 | kupesoft: linux-headers-2.6-686 is a meta-package that points to the up-to-date kernel headers. |
| 04:10.10 | liable | Tortel: so purge it |
| 04:10.16 | kakalto | anyone? |
| 04:10.24 | Tortel | liable: that would probaly cause the problems :P |
| 04:10.26 | dpkg | linux-kernel-headers: (Linux Kernel Headers for development), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1831 kB, Installed size: 10968 kB |
| 04:10.29 | jhford | kupesoft: i am google-licly challeneged |
| 04:10.42 | kupesoft | jhford: Feel free to pm me any time |
| 04:10.54 | jhford | kupesoft: thanks |
| 04:11.05 | jhford | are you in Toronto by anychance? |
| 04:11.18 | kupesoft | sigp239: And the meta-package points to that meta-package which points to the real source. |
| 04:11.19 | Tortel | liable: thanks |
| 04:11.22 | liable | aztec105: webmin isnt in etch, and will likely never be in debian again |
| 04:11.24 | kupesoft | sigp239: Roundabout, no? |
| 04:11.27 | liable | Tortel: no worries |
| 04:11.31 | kupesoft | jhford: Yup. I go to U of T, |
| 04:11.34 | sigp239 | kupesoft: so it's a meta-meta package? |
| 04:11.35 | sigp239 | wtf |
| 04:11.38 | Tortel | liable: I sohould check some basic things like that next time :P |
| 04:11.38 | sigp239 | ok |
| 04:11.38 | aztec105 | I am not using the Debianized version |
| 04:11.44 | jhford | cool |
| 04:11.55 | kupesoft | sigp239: That way build essential only has one dependency? Why are you stressing over this, lol? |
| 04:12.04 | kupesoft | He's gone ); |
| 04:12.05 | aztec105 | <liable> I am not using the Debianized version |
| 04:12.08 | liable | Tortel: ya, those messages you got are iptables output, bit of a give away if you know what your seeing ;) |
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| 04:12.30 | Shroom | Question, I'm having trouble with an apt-get dist-upgrade, it's stuck on the sql server package. I suspect this is because the /etc/init.d/mysql stop command isn't actually stoping, the mysql process lsits are the same (ps -aef | grep mysql). Apt stops (apears to succede) then starts which fails (probably because it's already running.) Any thoughts? |
| 04:12.32 | Sweetandy | I understand non-free... but what is contrib? |
| 04:12.42 | pickcoder | aztec105: that's a bug in a software package that isn't distributed in Debian |
| 04:12.42 | liable | aztec105: oh, and where does it say that output? |
| 04:12.48 | kupesoft | jhford: pm? |
| 04:13.17 | pickcoder | aztec105: contact the webmin devs and have them update the O/S version list |
| 04:13.19 | liable | Sweetandy: stuff that has depends that are in non-free, but the package itself is free |
| 04:13.51 | jhford | kupesoft: i can't |
| 04:13.56 | jhford | i dont have an account here |
| 04:13.56 | Sweetandy | liable Thanks... I'll avoid it. |
| 04:13.56 | liable | Shroom: kill -6 the process |
| 04:14.02 | kupesoft | jhford: Register one! |
| 04:14.07 | jhford | wilco |
| 04:14.43 | Shroom | Liable: I've tried killing the processes off, but it doesn't seem to help apt any. Any specific symptomps to look for? I'll give '-6' a try, but they were off the ps -aef list. |
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| 04:15.17 | [Euclid] | Hey, does anyone have experiance with Ti |
| 04:15.19 | [Euclid] | LP? |
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| 04:15.30 | pickcoder | aztec105: I've seen similar issues with some KDE tools, which are distributed in Debian |
| 04:15.47 | liable | Shroom: if they were gone from ps, then it looks like it wasnt the stopping the process thats the problem |
| 04:15.53 | [Euclid] | I'm trying to connect my 89Titanium, and it's not detected through usb. I have googled, but can't really find anything. |
| 04:16.16 | aztec105 | <liable> gives it on the near the bottom of the screen on the following, main webmin page, system page, networking, hardware, cluster and others. It also tells me to update the settings for the detected system which I try then Modeules break, so I reset it and it starts to work again. |
| 04:16.23 | pickcoder | [Euclid]: is usbmgr installed? |
| 04:16.27 | Shroom | liable: Well init.d/mysql stop should remove them, no? Regardless start fails, which is a problem. |
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| 04:17.00 | liable | Shroom: yes it should, run 'bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start' |
| 04:17.07 | Shroom | liable: it does the starting . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! thing. |
| 04:17.11 | [Euclid] | pickcoder: nope, but am installing it now :) |
| 04:17.16 | aztec105 | <pickcoder> is ther a work around.. .I am presuming it has something to do with how it is reading the system specifics ? |
| 04:17.21 | liable | aztec105: you'll have to ask the webmin people |
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| 04:17.38 | pickcoder | aztec105: yes |
| 04:17.52 | pickcoder | aztec105: your best bet is post on a dev mailing list, if there is one |
| 04:17.55 | liable | aztec105: could you stop your irc client from including those brackets around nicks? it stops highlighting for me |
| 04:17.58 | Shroom | liable: this happened after an atempted upgrade unfortunately, I'm not sure where to go to unstick it. Is is a package issue, or something more mysqlish? |
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| 04:18.22 | liable | Shroom: can you paste the output of the bash -x? |
| 04:18.56 | aztec105 | liable: My apologies was the way I pasted it in LOL |
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| 04:19.02 | Shroom | liable: ah sorry, will do. |
| 04:19.04 | sigp239 | What is the difference between linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18-7 and linux-headers-2.6.18-4 ? |
| 04:19.49 | liable | aztec105: no worries, thanks |
| 04:19.50 | aztec105 | pickcoder: thanks will do that |
| 04:19.50 | pickcoder | sigp239: apt-cache show <package> |
| 04:19.50 | sigp239 | pickcoder: I already read the descriptions; they don't make sense to me. |
| 04:20.55 | sigp239 | pickcoder: Do both apply to my system? |
| 04:20.55 | pickcoder | sigp239: the latest kernel, if I'm not mistaken, is 2.6.18-4 so I don't know what 2.6.18-7 is |
| 04:20.55 | aztec105 | liable: going back to the debianized version of Webmin... it never worked the way I wanted it to... could never set the ports etc. So always use the "all systems" version |
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| 04:20.55 | Sweetandy | Does anybody here use AOL? |
| 04:20.56 | pickcoder | sigp239: uname -r will tell you which kernel you are running |
| 04:20.56 | liable | not if the can avoid it |
| 04:21.01 | sigp239 | pickcoder: yes I'm running 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 04:21.06 | aztec105 | Sweetandy: As in Messenger or internet service provider? |
| 04:21.27 | pickcoder | !info linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18-7 |
| 04:22.13 | pickcoder | I guess dpkg has been sleeping all day. it keeps updating files |
| 04:22.15 | liable | dpkg: lazy bot |
| 04:22.31 | [Euclid] | pickcoder: Nope, TiLP still tells me that it can't find the usb device |
| 04:22.32 | Shroom | liable: Thanks, error output posted at: http://abysmalstudios.com/mysqlfailiure.txt (very long). It's a bit over my head. :) |
| 04:22.37 | pickcoder | dpkg says linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18-7 doesn't exist |
| 04:23.02 | sigp239 | linux-kernel-headers |
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| 04:24.19 | sigp239 | no linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18-7 |
| 04:24.25 | sigp239 | just linux-kernel-headers |
| 04:24.35 | pickcoder | where did that come from then/ |
| 04:24.47 | liable | the output from ahow |
| 04:24.50 | liable | show |
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| 04:25.05 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:25.09 | pickcoder | what version are you on |
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| 04:25.21 | sigp239 | pickcoder: in synaptic, it says "Installed version 2.6.18-7" for linux-kernel-headers |
| 04:25.55 | pickcoder | what does dpkg say |
| 04:25.57 | Sweetandy | aztec105: AOL the provider |
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| 04:26.35 | sigp239 | I have like 4 different header packages installed and now I'm totally confused |
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| 04:26.49 | Malf | welp |
| 04:26.50 | liable | Shroom: what output do you get if you just run '/usr/sbin/mysqld' ?? |
| 04:26.53 | Malf | just like last time glx gives seg faults |
| 04:26.56 | pickcoder | sigp239: what Debian version are you on |
| 04:26.57 | Malf | sweet sweet candy |
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| 04:27.26 | aztec105 | Sweetandy: no i don't but I feel for those who "have" to |
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| 04:27.41 | sigp239 | pickcoder: 4.0 |
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| 04:27.59 | rissy | Has anyone got a good guide to installing GRUB manually? |
| 04:28.07 | sigp239 | pickcoder: I have these installed currently: linux-headers-2.6.18-4, linux-headers-2.6.18-4-68, linux-headers-2.6-686, linux-kernel-headers |
| 04:28.16 | Shroom | liable: Ah - 'Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11' Check that you do not already have another mysqld process using the same InnoDB data or log lifes. |
| 04:28.29 | Shroom | liable: and a lot of that.. I can't ctrl-c it out either :X |
| 04:28.45 | jpin | Man, since that acpi-cpufreq module thing my computer is running SLOW! |
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| 04:28.57 | pickcoder | sigp239: whatever build-essential needs it will install |
| 04:29.19 | pickcoder | are you using module-assistant? |
| 04:29.23 | aztec105 | well got a go TY all for the assistance... |
| 04:29.27 | sigp239 | pickcoder: no |
| 04:29.37 | pickcoder | what are you building? |
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| 04:29.40 | Sweetandy | aztec105: Haha no, I was just asking the question. I don't use AOL. I'm pity my AO|-|311 friend in Missouri |
| 04:30.06 | Shroom | liable: and ctrl-q wasn't it :P I may have missed something there. |
| 04:31.06 | aztec105 | Sweetandy: :) ok well really must get going |
| 04:31.06 | sigp239 | pickcoder: nvidia driver |
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| 04:31.08 | pickcoder | there is an nvidia kernel |
| 04:31.15 | jetscreamer | great, you made me compile a new kernel |
| 04:31.33 | Malf | hmm |
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| 04:31.45 | Malf | looks like a legacy thing ran at startup to hose my opengl links |
| 04:31.56 | jetscreamer | i hate all the rwarning: 'prev.start' may be used uninitialized in this function |
| 04:32.03 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 04:32.08 | liable_ | Shroom: paste your mysqld processes |
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| 04:32.46 | sigp239 | pickcoder: I think I figured out what's going on. linux-headers-2.6-686 depends on linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 which depends on linux-headers-2.6.18-4. And linux-kernel-headers is something else entirely on it's own. |
| 04:32.51 | Shroom | is there a place to paste spam around here? There are several |
| 04:33.17 | liable | Shroom: #flood |
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| 04:34.00 | Shroom | liable: moment please, I was killing them off again to see if that helped, they'll be back shortly |
| 04:34.05 | jpin | anyone using acpi-cpufreq? |
| 04:34.17 | sigp239 | pickcoder: so if I were to remove all linux-headers-* packages, and then install linux-headers-2.6-686, it would automatically install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 and linux-headers-2.6.18-4. |
| 04:34.20 | jpin | anyone going from speedstep-centrino to acpi-cpufreq? |
| 04:35.05 | rissy | I just installed Debian stable successfully, however. The boot loader (both GRUB and LILO) would not install. Can anyone point me to a guide which I can use to install GRUB or LILO manually? |
| 04:35.51 | pickcoder | rissy: why did the install fail? |
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| 04:36.42 | rissy | pickcoder, no idea why the boot loader failed to install. The installation didn't give off any specific error I could Google. I'll have to install it manually, in which I will need a guide for. |
| 04:36.58 | pickcoder | rissy: burn a live CD (like Knoppix) |
| 04:37.05 | rissy | Yup. |
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| 04:37.17 | rissy | And install it GRUB or LILO form the live cd? |
| 04:37.33 | pickcoder | unmount the partition your / is on and remount with r/w permissions |
| 04:37.46 | rissy | Okay, |
| 04:37.49 | pickcoder | then you can chroot the real root and use grub-install |
| 04:37.56 | pickcoder | update-grub first |
| 04:38.04 | pickcoder | if you installed grub |
| 04:38.09 | jpin | What in the world could cause the slowest boot on earth? |
| 04:38.20 | Shroom | liable: Posted in flood from a fresh run. We can try other stuff from there. |
| 04:38.35 | liable | Shroom: client problems, can you paste again? |
| 04:38.42 | liable | nm |
| 04:38.43 | rissy | Ah I see, so your basicly changing it from the live cd's / partition, to the real one you have on your hdd pickcoder? Then installing GRUB from there? |
| 04:38.46 | liable | gottit |
| 04:38.48 | rissy | I'll see if that works. |
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| 04:38.57 | Shroom | liable: sure thing, done |
| 04:39.03 | Breadstick | jpin: the jumper setting that brought up the P5 233mmx at 5mhz on my old fileserver heh |
| 04:39.08 | pickcoder | rissy: correct |
| 04:39.12 | rissy | :) |
| 04:39.17 | liable | Shroom: yikes you have a shitload of instances running |
| 04:39.32 | Shroom | liable: I recall it being less noisy. |
| 04:39.40 | jpin | Breadstick: eh |
| 04:39.57 | liable | Shroom: and /etc/init.d/mysql stop does? |
| 04:40.39 | Shroom | liable: says it runs just fine, no processes change. |
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| 04:40.57 | liable | Shroom: you need to stop those processes |
| 04:41.21 | Shroom | liable: can do, what then though? I've run apt without it and start still seems to fail. |
| 04:42.00 | Shroom | liable: killed them all, it's clean, anything particular you'd like to see while they are down? |
| 04:42.17 | liable | Shroom: run bash -x again |
| 04:42.20 | liable | paste |
| 04:42.28 | Shroom | of which? |
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| 04:42.37 | liable | start |
| 04:43.18 | Shroom | gonna re-siphon that to the text file, it's long because of it's 'waiting' behavior. still fails though. |
| 04:43.29 | liable | yep |
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| 04:44.17 | Shroom | liable: http://abysmalstudios.com/mysqlfailiure.txt looks the same to me |
| 04:44.44 | Shroom | liable: Oddly, the process list is 'hot again' will paste to flood |
| 04:45.36 | jpin | can differences in the compilers packages make a computer slow? (like kernel compiled with 4.1 and libc with 4.2?) |
| 04:45.41 | liable | Shroom: does that /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock files exist? |
| 04:46.03 | intruder | is it normal that the cp -a process is really slow compared to a simple cp, like 2 hours for 3gb |
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| 04:46.35 | Shroom | liable: doesn't look like it, ls -la /var/run/mysqld/ |
| 04:46.35 | Shroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.02 | liable | Shroom: hrm, yet the processes show the socket.. |
| 04:47.13 | nn-laptop | hi |
| 04:47.26 | liable | Shroom: are you having problems with other processes or just mysql? |
| 04:47.28 | Shroom | liable: Hmm, so perhaps the processes can't find thier neccecary locks? :/ |
| 04:47.44 | Shroom | Haven't looked to close, but nothing that screamed at me. |
| 04:47.50 | Shroom | apache works, I'm generally happy :P |
| 04:48.23 | liable | Shroom: whats the perms on /var/run/ ?? |
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| 04:49.03 | Shroom | liable: drwxr-xr-x, like everything else. |
| 04:49.57 | Shroom | liable: This was working fine before, webserver, email, on mysql. apt-get included mysql this round, and apparently it's screwed up. |
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| 04:50.10 | Shroom | laible: I'm kinda wishing I had just let well enough alone :P |
| 04:50.25 | sigp239 | How do I increase my refresh rate from 50 to 60? |
| 04:50.47 | liable | Shroom: something a bit weird is going on, looks like its all failing because those files arent beuing written |
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| 04:51.22 | Shroom | liable: can I attempt a full re-install without losing settings/databases :/ I'm not knowledgable enough when it breaks this badly. |
| 04:51.42 | liable | Shroom: dont do that yet ;) |
| 04:51.45 | jetscreamer | sigp239: if you're going by what gnome or kde are reporting, maybe you shouldn't |
| 04:51.53 | jetscreamer | gnome, iirc |
| 04:52.19 | sigp239 | jetscreamer: gnome reports 50 and 56 as available options, but I know my monitor should be at 60 |
| 04:52.31 | liable | Shroom: touch /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 04:52.32 | Shroom | liable: Well as you can tell, I'm at the run-crying-to-smarter-people stage so.. :) Thanks a bunch for the help so far. Any suggestions are welcome. |
| 04:52.35 | liable | Shroom: touch /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid |
| 04:52.44 | jetscreamer | sigp239: yeah i've seen that... i didn't believe it (gnome) i know better |
| 04:53.06 | jetscreamer | sigp239: ymmv of course |
| 04:53.08 | liable | Shroom: then restart it with init.d, see what it says |
| 04:53.10 | sigp239 | jetscreamer: xvidtune reports vertical sync of 59.95 |
| 04:53.20 | jetscreamer | that's like 60 dude |
| 04:53.21 | liable | Shroom: no idea if that'll actually work ;) |
| 04:53.25 | sigp239 | yea :) |
| 04:53.28 | jetscreamer | gnome lies (imo) |
| 04:53.36 | sigp239 | yea I wonder if anyone reported a bug on that |
| 04:53.46 | jetscreamer | go for it! |
| 04:53.47 | Shroom | liable: hah. Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 04:53.47 | Shroom | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.02 | sigp239 | damn debian looks nice at 1680x1050! |
| 04:54.10 | liable | Shroom: make sure those files exist first |
| 04:54.26 | sigp239 | i'm almost tempted to do that beryl-compiz thingie.... |
| 04:55.10 | Shroom | liable: They do indeed exist, with the same permissions as the other pid files, start also fails. |
| 04:55.38 | Shroom | liable: Oddly, both files are gone after trying a start |
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| 04:56.15 | sigp239 | what's up with the ugly font rendering? |
| 04:56.21 | sigp239 | on my system now. |
| 04:56.27 | sigp239 | no anti-aliasing |
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| 04:56.47 | sigp239 | in epiphany |
| 04:57.42 | liable | Shroom: change the socket file path to /tmp in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 04:58.08 | pickcoder | Shroom: who owns /var/run/mysqld |
| 04:58.21 | sigp239 | Sound is not working on my new 4.0 install. How do I get it working? I have a SoundBlaster X-FI. Thanks. |
| 04:58.23 | Shroom | root I think |
| 04:58.32 | pickcoder | it should be mysql.root |
| 04:58.49 | pickcoder | mysql will create the socket file |
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| 04:59.22 | Shroom | I'll check shortly |
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| 05:00.08 | Shroom | ah, it is indeed mysql-root |
| 05:02.20 | Shroom | liable: start again failed with the output I'll put in flood |
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| 05:02.52 | Breadstick | need a bit of help building a kernel "no rule to make target `include/config/auto.conf` needed by `include/config/kernel.release` . stop : any ideas what to do from here? |
| 05:03.08 | Shroom | liable: I've removed the hack. |
| 05:03.41 | liable | Shroom: i am about out of ideas |
| 05:04.17 | Shroom | liable: Thanks for the attempts anyway. |
| 05:04.44 | Shroom | liable: So it looks like the processes are hung up on something, and wont start/stop correctly. |
| 05:05.10 | Shroom | liable: any clue where to go from here? Do the #mysql folks know more about the debian package and all? |
| 05:05.14 | liable | Shroom: its not creating the socket, so the script fails there and keeps trying to restart mysqld |
| 05:05.50 | liable | the server starts, but it doesnt create the socket |
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| 05:06.11 | liable | Shroom: which version of mysql? |
| 05:06.13 | Shroom | Hrm.. some socket change in the latest dist-upgrade? |
| 05:06.13 | liable | server? |
| 05:06.26 | Shroom | apt-get install mysql-server :P |
| 05:06.31 | Shroom | on unstable I think. |
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| 05:06.37 | liable | 5? |
| 05:06.49 | Shroom | I believe so, any way to check without it running? |
| 05:07.01 | Shroom | mysql -v dies on the socket error |
| 05:07.38 | guru | does debian have any automated find process which run as "nobody" that have a command resembling the following? /usr/bin/find / -ignore_readdir_race ( -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs -o -fstype nfs4 [remainder of the line snipped for breivity] |
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| 05:08.10 | guru | i wasn't able to find any information regarding it on google or the man pages |
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| 05:08.26 | liable | Shroom: i thought you said you were running etch? |
| 05:08.42 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.48 | wols | the DB used for "locate" |
| 05:09.00 | wols | it's a cronjob |
| 05:09.33 | wols | !tell Breadstick about kp mantra |
| 05:09.39 | guru | wols: wols they seem to be stuck (State DN) - one has been running since april 07 |
| 05:09.55 | wols | kill it then. no harm done |
| 05:09.59 | liable | Shroom: whats your perms of /var/lib/mysql? |
| 05:10.06 | guru | i can't, it's unkillable |
| 05:10.12 | Shroom | liable: I'm not sure of the version, sources is set to testing currently actually |
| 05:10.29 | guru | wols: nobody 14205 0.0 0.1 1940 688 ? DN Apr07 0:01 /usr/bin/find / -ignore_readdir_race [trimmed...[ |
| 05:10.38 | jetscreamer | gd i don't know if it's because i compiled it slim, or just that 2.6.20 is so much better, but i can see the difference, and greatly |
| 05:11.10 | Shroom | liable: drwxr-x-rx like the rest. also owned by mysql-mysql |
| 05:11.25 | guru | wols: according to the ps manpage state D is Uninterruptable sleep...i have no idea how else to kill it aside from a reboot (which is probably not a bad idea since the server has been running for around 330 days) |
| 05:11.38 | Sashi | quesiton, how would i be able to use Japanese in linux? |
| 05:11.54 | guru | Sashi: change your locale |
| 05:12.08 | Sashi | but i just want to type in japanese |
| 05:12.14 | Sashi | like an IME |
| 05:12.30 | guru | hmm, perhaps an on screen keyboard? |
| 05:12.58 | dalias | sashi, 1 sec |
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| 05:13.52 | liable | Shroom: no clue, try removing the package and reinstalling it (purge it, it should ask if you want to keep you db though) |
| 05:13.54 | dalias | install uim-gtk2.0 and uim-anthy or uim-canna |
| 05:14.08 | Shroom | liable: apt-get purge mysql-server ? |
| 05:14.12 | guru | Sashi: if memory serves me correctly i think i just switched my locale and restarted the xserver when i was switching between italian and english, but it's been a couple of years ago |
| 05:14.35 | dalias | actually if you just install anthy i think gtk can use it directly |
| 05:14.40 | liable | Shroom: -4.1 or 5.0 one of the two |
| 05:14.45 | dalias | but uim gives you more configurability |
| 05:14.56 | pickcoder | Shroom: what is the user and socket in my.cnf |
| 05:15.23 | Sashi | dalias, for me? |
| 05:15.26 | dalias | sashi, yes |
| 05:15.57 | Shroom | pickcoder: user = mysql , socket = /var/run/mysqld.sock |
| 05:16.03 | pickcoder | interesting |
| 05:16.10 | liable | eh? |
| 05:16.13 | pickcoder | there is no mysqld sub-dir |
| 05:16.16 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 05:16.25 | Shroom | yeah, that'd be a typo |
| 05:16.25 | liable | Shroom: is that after you chabged it before? |
| 05:16.39 | Shroom | # This was formally known as [safe_mysqld]. Both versions are currently parsed. |
| 05:16.39 | Shroom | [mysqld_safe] |
| 05:16.39 | Shroom | socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 05:16.44 | Shroom | Less typos. |
| 05:17.14 | Shroom | and yeah, I just commented the lines out with #, and put them back. |
| 05:17.24 | Sashi | dalias, i got uim |
| 05:17.26 | Sashi | what now? |
| 05:17.42 | Shroom | liable: the version is 5.0.38-1 |
| 05:17.46 | dalias | run uim-pref-gtk to configure it |
| 05:17.50 | jetscreamer | where did they put ipmasq in menuconfig |
| 05:17.56 | jetscreamer | ah nm grep |
| 05:18.30 | dalias | set the default IM to Anthy |
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| 05:19.24 | jpin | anyone knows that evdev kern module does? |
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| 05:19.50 | dalias | then, pressing shift+space should toggle japanese input (in gtk apps at least) |
| 05:19.59 | Sashi | hmm |
| 05:20.14 | Breadstick | wols: TY, i figure out the issue (needed to run make menuconfig for the kernel before making madwifi) now to figure out if this is a true P4 or a P4M =\ |
| 05:20.23 | Sashi | no japanese? |
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| 05:20.41 | pickcoder | Shroom: why comment them out? |
| 05:20.45 | pickcoder | and which section was that for? |
| 05:20.49 | dalias | sashi, ? |
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| 05:21.00 | Sashi | i configured it.. |
| 05:21.04 | Sashi | no japanese thou |
| 05:21.20 | dalias | ok right click in the textbox and look under input methods |
| 05:21.24 | dalias | what's selected? |
| 05:21.37 | Sashi | lots |
| 05:21.39 | Sashi | but no japanese |
| 05:21.40 | Sashi | xD |
| 05:21.42 | Shroom | pickcoder: It was a 'try a socket in the /tmp folder' hack. so socket = /tmp/mysqld.sock while the others were comented out. I just removed the lines and uncommented the old ones. |
| 05:21.54 | pickcoder | oh |
| 05:22.24 | dalias | sashi, which one has the check next to it? |
| 05:22.29 | Sashi | default |
| 05:22.30 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.37 | dalias | sashi, is uim one of the options? |
| 05:22.46 | Shroom | Yeah, I came to the same conclusion, no idea what exactly is hanging it up now :/ |
| 05:22.50 | Sashi | no |
| 05:23.09 | dalias | sashi, did you start this program before or after installing uim? |
| 05:23.29 | pickcoder | Shroom: are you sure all of the mysql processes are dead? |
| 05:23.42 | Sashi | hehe ok.. i restarted the app |
| 05:23.48 | Sashi | uim is selected |
| 05:23.53 | Sashi | but still.. now what |
| 05:23.58 | Shroom | pickcoder: When? Right now no, but I tried a start. |
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| 05:24.03 | dalias | try pressing shift+space to toggle in/out of japanese mode |
| 05:24.08 | dalias | then start typing and see what happens |
| 05:24.31 | Shroom | pickcoder: They certainly aren't enough to processes requests. Any other thoughts? I was going to try again tomorrow. |
| 05:24.57 | Sashi | def not japaanese |
| 05:25.11 | dalias | it doesnt do anything? |
| 05:25.19 | Sashi | acutally |
| 05:25.25 | Sashi | there IS no japanese in uim |
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| 05:25.34 | dalias | i told you to install anthy too |
| 05:25.34 | pickcoder | Shroom: not without box access. I have 2 dist-upgrades going at the moment so I'm distracted |
| 05:25.42 | dalias | anthy is an input method module for japanese |
| 05:25.45 | dalias | or you can try canna |
| 05:26.03 | dalias | i'm not sure exactly what the differences are |
| 05:26.08 | Shroom | pickcoder: Thanks for the help anyway. I'll hit up #mysql tomorrow, see if they don't know more. |
| 05:26.10 | dalias | but some japanese users prefer one and some prefer the other |
| 05:27.17 | Sashi | hmm |
| 05:27.22 | Sashi | i installed anthy.. |
| 05:27.31 | Sashi | no need to configure? |
| 05:27.56 | dalias | you need to run uim-pref-gtk and select anthy as the default input method |
| 05:28.54 | Sashi | dont see it |
| 05:29.00 | rvalles | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 05:29.05 | rvalles | same error as yesterday |
| 05:29.15 | dalias | apt-get install uim-anthy |
| 05:29.15 | rvalles | what's going on? |
| 05:29.20 | dalias | then rerun the preferences applet |
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| 05:30.42 | Navrax | does anyone know how to change the background and add it to the menu in debian oon Fluxbox ? |
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| 05:32.45 | hark | rvalles: /topic |
| 05:32.55 | Sashi | works dalias but.. |
| 05:33.04 | Sashi | is there like a toolbar on the like windows |
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| 05:34.40 | bjv | im not sure i have the right vocabulary to google this up. my package system is misbehaving, and id like to understand it |
| 05:35.04 | Navrax | like does anyone here use Fluxbox wm ? and or perhaps use Conky ? |
| 05:35.18 | bjv | i use some conky w/ lwm |
| 05:35.19 | Navrax | i know it has something to do with edit ~/.conkyrc but like ...mine shows blankity blank blank blank |
| 05:35.30 | Navrax | bjv: its cool it shows me everything |
| 05:35.36 | dalias | sashi, if you use gnome, there's a toolbar applet for controlling the input method selection, yes |
| 05:35.43 | markybob | Navrax: you've really gotta cut it out with the "likes" |
| 05:35.49 | dalias | i don't know gnome stuff well tho |
| 05:35.54 | dalias | i suspect there's also one for kde |
| 05:36.07 | Navrax | Fluxbox is so great I run it on all distros i use |
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| 05:38.18 | rvalles | 07:32:25 < hark> rvalles: /topic |
| 05:38.23 | rvalles | hark: but the error says bad sig |
| 05:38.26 | rvalles | hark: not "missing key" |
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| 05:40.07 | rvalles | hark: and, in any case, installed both etch key and 2006 key, and it didn't fix the problem. I still get that error. |
| 05:41.26 | markybob | rvalles: try apt-key update |
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| 05:42.02 | cskj | hey can anyone tell me how to build rpms from tar.gz or tar.bz files? |
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| 05:42.21 | markybob | cskj: uh. try #fedora or something |
| 05:43.05 | cskj | tried that...they gave me support for fedora distros |
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| 05:43.26 | markybob | cskj: good. wanna learn how to make a deb package? we'll help you there |
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| 05:53.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:53.32 | dpkg | <racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2 |
| 05:53.42 | liable | heh |
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| 05:55.15 | streuner | its magic â„¢ |
| 05:55.15 | rvalles | markybob: did, didn't help. |
| 05:55.21 | Kevin`_ | in debian etch, the startup scripts try to remove aquota.user from /var/lock, which fails, which results in an error message and probably prevents it from cleaning the proper files |
| 05:55.41 | rvalles | markybob: so I couldn't update debian yesterday, nor I can today |
| 05:55.49 | rvalles | markybob: I'm two days obsolete already :O |
| 05:56.05 | liable | rvalles: did you try another mirror? i thought that was suggested yesterday |
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| 05:57.15 | markybob | rvalles: cat /etc/debian_version says what? |
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| 05:58.07 | rvalles | lenny/sid |
| 05:58.36 | streuner | rvalles: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:58.44 | rvalles | liable: no, haven't. But mirrors update daily, so even if yesterday's archive were fux0red, today's would have to be fine (or that'd be too much bad luck) |
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| 05:58.57 | rvalles | ii libc6 2.5-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:58.59 | liable | rvalles: will you just try it please. |
| 05:59.11 | rvalles | I might |
| 05:59.19 | markybob | rvalles: hrm. apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 05:59.19 | streuner | sounds like unstable |
| 05:59.28 | streuner | !info libc6 lenny |
| 05:59.46 | liable | that is sids libc6 |
| 05:59.58 | pythonic | sounds like unstable? how many syllables? |
| 06:00.15 | liable | |||| |
| 06:00.28 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (lenny), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 06:00.47 | hark | rvalles: sorry, was away... that key is part of the debian-archive-keyring package.. |
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| 06:01.34 | hark | rvalles: are you able to get/hit the Release and Release.gpg ? |
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| 06:01.46 | hark | just try another mirror |
| 06:02.03 | pythonic | unstable? four syllables? "george dubya bush"? |
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| 06:02.21 | rvalles | ftp instead of ftp2 (de) |
| 06:02.23 | acu | I would like to convert a .vob (from a DVD) to .mp3 - Can anyone help? |
| 06:02.24 | rvalles | works fine |
| 06:02.29 | rvalles | it is the mirror after all |
| 06:02.32 | hark | there you go |
| 06:02.43 | rvalles | but I'm pissed. Why doesn't an official mirror work? |
| 06:02.48 | rvalles | yikes. |
| 06:02.50 | liable | haha, i am reading a review for a mobo, and the stupid bastards start by reviewing the box it ships in.... |
| 06:03.00 | rvalles | liable: of course |
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| 06:03.06 | pythonic | finest quality cardboard |
| 06:03.24 | liable | wtf would i care what the box says/looks like? |
| 06:03.24 | rvalles | liable: first thing you have to deal with is the box |
| 06:03.29 | hark | the best mobos come in shiity packages |
| 06:03.35 | liable | !lart rvalles |
| 06:03.36 | rvalles | liable: it might be more or less protective, cuter or not cuter... |
| 06:03.49 | rvalles | liable: and include more or less cables, manuals and stuff |
| 06:04.24 | rvalles | ECS K7S5A |
| 06:04.27 | pythonic | rvalles: for your pr0n? |
| 06:04.39 | rvalles | pythonic: no, I keep the pr0n in my VFS. |
| 06:05.09 | liable | i guess i shouldnt expect too much from an overclockers site.. |
| 06:05.33 | concept10 | Since my shitbuntu desltop is broken, I just loaded windows for the first time this year and figured out something: Everyone having the ability to make podcasts is the dumbest thing ever |
| 06:06.14 | liable | concept10: but who doesnt want to listen to 100,000 geeks droning on about what they did on the weekend? ;) |
| 06:06.21 | rvalles | liable: most overclockers don't even know The Test of Stability |
| 06:06.27 | rvalles | liable: (building the linux kernel) |
| 06:06.40 | hark | nah, bulding iceweasel |
| 06:06.45 | liable | scruffy: huh? you live in a cave and use cardboard boxes for bed linen? |
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| 06:06.58 | concept10 | liable: and another 100,000 posting XGL videos |
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| 06:07.08 | liable | touche |
| 06:07.17 | niru | does debian use icewseal or firefox |
| 06:07.26 | liable | the weasel |
| 06:07.28 | markybob | niru: iceweasel |
| 06:07.35 | scruffy | liable: oh yes, and I power my debian machines with a generators that run on a secret blend of bat guano |
| 06:07.52 | hark | both are essentially same, you should not notice much of a diiference |
| 06:07.56 | liable | scruffy: awesome |
| 06:07.56 | concept10 | liable: theres even a podcast on map pages! |
| 06:08.03 | scruffy | liable: indeed, indeed |
| 06:08.05 | concept10 | *man |
| 06:08.11 | niru | markybob, even in stable does debian use icewseal? |
| 06:08.17 | markybob | niru yes |
| 06:08.28 | liable | concept10: that could actually be kinda usefull for blind people i guess |
| 06:08.29 | rvalles | btw |
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| 06:08.37 | rvalles | is there a way I can disable nfs's mountd? |
| 06:08.38 | liable | concept10: if the could find the link :) |
| 06:09.12 | liable | niru: stable=lenny, sarge=no |
| 06:09.16 | niru | markybob, but after installing debian cd (stable) I see in Internet webbrowser as firefox why? |
| 06:09.20 | markybob | rvalles: you mean nfs-common which starts on boot? |
| 06:09.27 | rvalles | it makes some noisy HD wake up every now and then (as confirmed by blktrace), and the noisy hd isn't even mounted (/boot), nor I start it |
| 06:09.36 | rvalles | markybob: no, I mean nfs server's mountd. |
| 06:09.38 | The_Plumber | finally got 2.6.20.6 running on Sarge. svgalib/fb/alsa (with OSS emu for lxdoom). -I- am smug. |
| 06:09.44 | Kevin`_ | isn't lenny testing? |
| 06:09.44 | rvalles | markybob: I serve nfs with this box. |
| 06:09.45 | nvz | liable: what the hell kind of equations are those? |
| 06:09.51 | valdyn | niru: maybe you're on sarge, that is oldstable |
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| 06:09.55 | aubade | Kevin`: Yeah. |
| 06:10.04 | niru | markybob, we have a debian derived distro,And till now went with firefox |
| 06:10.07 | markybob | niru it's a link. |
| 06:10.18 | scruffy | what happens when Debian runs out of Toy tory characters? |
| 06:10.21 | liable | nvz: i was wondering if anyone would notice it didnt really make sense.. |
| 06:10.23 | markybob | niru firefox link loads up iceweasel in debian |
| 06:10.34 | mrbnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.42 | aubade | scruffy: Will probably move onto another Pixar flick, I imagine. |
| 06:10.45 | valdyn | niru: debian derivied is NOT debian. |
| 06:10.51 | liable | nvz: it was in response to niru because i had the inkling he was running sarge, which is not stable... |
| 06:10.54 | niru | markybob, so its not harm in taking firefox source from debian and using that in my cd |
| 06:10.57 | liable | nvz: cappish? |
| 06:11.14 | nvz | liable: no, but ok |
| 06:11.26 | markybob | niru: firefox source in debian is iceweasel source. you understand that, right? |
| 06:11.29 | niru | liable, can I go with firefox taken from debian repo in my cd |
| 06:11.47 | liable | nvz: sarge=no=firefox!=iceweasel |
| 06:11.51 | valdyn | niru: we dont know about and we cant support derived distros |
| 06:11.53 | liable | ?? |
| 06:11.55 | liable | :) |
| 06:12.04 | liable | nvz: in your cd? |
| 06:12.07 | The_Plumber | how can you find what process is using your hd? |
| 06:12.10 | liable | niru: in your cd? |
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| 06:12.36 | nvz | liable: cd!=no lenny=iceweasel? |
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| 06:12.41 | markybob | The_Plumber: lsof? |
| 06:12.47 | The_Plumber | if I thought that I wanted to track down a program that was accessing the hd every second, ? |
| 06:12.51 | The_Plumber | lsof? will tell me? |
| 06:12.56 | liable | !confuse nvz |
| 06:12.56 | dpkg | No, them is their mushroom yesterday, nvz? lederhosen of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra ham |
| 06:13.11 | pickcoder | is anyone here running a GForge site? |
| 06:13.21 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 06:13.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:13.28 | pickcoder | I just dist-upgraded a sarge box and the auth module is borked |
| 06:13.33 | pickcoder | valdyn: gimme a break |
| 06:13.50 | The_Plumber | markybob: thanks ! |
| 06:13.53 | nvz | how now dpkg, mushroom lederhosen dictatorship yesturday, hold the ham if I beg your pardon. |
| 06:13.56 | niru | markybob, liable I mean I our os we are giving firefox and thunderbird does that create any problem |
| 06:13.58 | markybob | The_Plumber: np |
| 06:14.16 | pickcoder | for some reason the module won't load with an error stating it's "garbled" |
| 06:14.26 | markybob | niru wtf do you mean "our os" ? i dont understand you |
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| 06:14.57 | liable | niru: oh, your making a distro? |
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| 06:15.00 | niru | markybob, we have come up with our linux distro |
| 06:15.04 | niru | liable, yup |
| 06:15.16 | liable | niru: based on sarge? |
| 06:15.28 | nvz | power to the people givin people the power to put down on cd. boot up quickly, and install.. |
| 06:15.41 | niru | liable, based on etch |
| 06:15.50 | liable | i must have fried nvz's circuits |
| 06:16.00 | nvz | heh |
| 06:16.00 | scruffy | nvz: drinking much? |
| 06:16.02 | markybob | niru: you're really not getting that etch doesnt have firefox? |
| 06:16.08 | nvz | scruffy: nope havent in a while |
| 06:16.10 | hark | i hope you don't play a major role in the making of the distro |
| 06:16.18 | scruffy | nvz: maybe it's me then |
| 06:16.19 | liable | niru: and you want to use firefox instead of iceweasel? |
| 06:16.20 | pythonic | people can't be trusted with power. give them i386. |
| 06:16.28 | The_Plumber | markybob: what about current running kernel config? I am familiar with sysctl but if I wanted to know what modules are compiled -in- what would I use? |
| 06:16.44 | markybob | The_Plumber: your kernel config is in /boot/ |
| 06:16.45 | The_Plumber | markybob: i notice lsmod gets all inserted mods but..... |
| 06:17.01 | The_Plumber | not that..... I want information about what is -currently- running |
| 06:17.04 | shpchp | need help: why the scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up could not running automatically when pppoe has connected? (Debian Sarge) |
| 06:17.29 | valdyn | shpchp: why do you think they are not running? |
| 06:17.30 | markybob | The_Plumber: how is what is -currently- running different than lsmod? that *is* lsmob |
| 06:17.32 | The_Plumber | markybob: i was figuring if I didn't have access to the config file, |
| 06:17.40 | markybob | The_Plumber: lsmod* |
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| 06:17.50 | pickcoder | markybob: just because it's listed in lsmod doesn't mean it's actually in-use |
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| 06:18.05 | markybob | being loaded in the kernel means "in-use" |
| 06:18.07 | niru | markybob, I mean do I need to bother about any licensing issues as I am using mozilla-firefox taken from debian? |
| 06:18.09 | The_Plumber | i notice if I compile in say ext3 not as a module, how can i tell if it is running (replace ext3 with anything like ppp etc) |
| 06:18.11 | shpchp | valdyn, because I write a script... I know it not runing... |
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| 06:18.24 | valdyn | shpchp: no you dont |
| 06:18.34 | The_Plumber | lsmod would not tell me that it is compile in (not as a modual but it is compiled in) |
| 06:18.45 | niru | markybob, Ubuntu 7.04 I saw uses firefox web browser.Thats also a distro derived from debian right? |
| 06:18.56 | markybob | damn you people |
| 06:18.58 | markybob | !debian based |
| 06:18.58 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 06:18.58 | niru | markybob, sorry but I am really not getting any link :( |
| 06:19.13 | shpchp | valdyn, okay... I will check it again... |
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| 06:19.52 | pickcoder | firefox isn't in Debian anymore |
| 06:19.52 | valdyn | shpchp: maybe that script is broken, maybe you can put something like 'echo test > logfile' into that script to verify its running |
| 06:19.52 | The_Plumber | lsmod knows about what modules are running but it doesnt seem to know if ppp was comiled in ([m] vs [y]) |
| 06:19.52 | pickcoder | iceweasel replaced it |
| 06:20.00 | Kevin`_ | niru perhaps reading the firefox licensing agreement, the description of why iceweasel exists, etc, would help you clear things up. if ubuntu uses it I suspect it's safe to include it in a distro, though |
| 06:20.02 | The_Plumber | i want the y's not the m's |
| 06:20.10 | shpchp | valdyn, okay, I will try it again. Many Thanks. |
| 06:20.14 | valdyn | The_Plumber: lsmod knows only about modules, compiled in stuff is not a module, its not a 'compiled in module' |
| 06:20.14 | pickcoder | The_Plumber: sift through the .config |
| 06:20.17 | nvz | niru: we arent allowed to call firefox by that name because its name lisc. doesnt meet our guidelines |
| 06:20.17 | markybob | The_Plumber: probably start cat'ing around /proc for what you want |
| 06:20.32 | nvz | niru: so we dubbed it iceweasel |
| 06:20.53 | nvz | niru: and will be calling it such until further notice |
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| 06:21.45 | The_Plumber | markybob: damn, so there is no utility that will take a look at the running kernel and tell me what its setup for? like wether there is 3com support built in or not? |
| 06:22.02 | The_Plumber | that seems odd to me |
| 06:22.04 | valdyn | geez |
| 06:22.05 | markybob | The_Plumber: not if you dont wanna take a look at the config file in /boot/ or cat /proc/config.gz |
| 06:22.07 | nvz | The_Plumber: less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 06:22.18 | The_Plumber | ahhh! |
| 06:22.19 | markybob | zcat* |
| 06:22.47 | The_Plumber | say the /boot config was deleted? is the /proc/config.gz created on each boot? |
| 06:23.00 | markybob | deleted? you cant delete /boot |
| 06:23.15 | Kevin`_ | sure you can :) |
| 06:23.17 | nvz | its in the kernel if you compiled it with support for config |
| 06:23.21 | Kevin`_ | not smart, but you can |
| 06:23.22 | The_Plumber | opps /boot/configxxx |
| 06:23.28 | markybob | your system wont start so it doesnt matter what the fuck you want if /boot is gone |
| 06:23.29 | pickcoder | only on newer kernels, but I don't know the specifics |
| 06:23.34 | nvz | debian packages the config with the image |
| 06:23.37 | The_Plumber | say the /boot/conigxxx was deleted/not there |
| 06:23.41 | Kevin`_ | The_Plumber /proc/config.gz IS effectively created on boot |
| 06:23.42 | Kevin`_ | yes |
| 06:23.48 | The_Plumber | cool! |
| 06:23.50 | markybob | The_Plumber: yes. but /proc/config.gz isnt enabled in all debian kernels |
| 06:23.59 | Kevin`_ | lol |
| 06:23.59 | niru | nvz, so now after installing debian latest cds I will be seeing in the application menu,icewseal name or firefox nam |
| 06:23.59 | Kevin`_ | :) |
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| 06:24.05 | markybob | The_Plumber: meaning it wont exist |
| 06:24.06 | The_Plumber | oh yeah, there was an option for that.... |
| 06:24.13 | The_Plumber | remember seeing that. |
| 06:24.21 | The_Plumber | so thats it then huh/ |
| 06:24.24 | nvz | niru: what latests cds? 4.0r0? |
| 06:24.31 | Kevin`_ | it's a useful option to enable when your building your own, or (imo), a distro kernel... |
| 06:24.35 | niru | nvz, yes |
| 06:24.40 | markybob | The_Plumber: that is it |
| 06:24.42 | Kevin`_ | but debian puts the files in /boot for that purpose :) |
| 06:24.43 | The_Plumber | cdimage servers are swamped! |
| 06:24.55 | The_Plumber | are we sure we want linux to be popular? ;0 |
| 06:24.59 | markybob | niru: etch has symlinks that make firefox point to iceweasel. do you get that? because i've said it three times already |
| 06:25.23 | The_Plumber | wtf's an iceweasel? |
| 06:25.27 | nvz | !info firefox etch |
| 06:25.28 | pythonic | illegal symlinks! |
| 06:25.30 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 06:25.31 | nvz | niru: ^ |
| 06:25.32 | markybob | oh my goodness |
| 06:25.56 | pythonic | iceweasel sucks. |
| 06:26.09 | markybob | pythonic: then install firefox. we dont give a fuck what you do |
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| 06:26.17 | The_Plumber | hamsters and bunnies rock, not sure about firefox'es and iceweasels. |
| 06:26.18 | pythonic | konqueror ftw! |
| 06:26.20 | markybob | pythonic: getfirefox.com is calling your name |
| 06:26.23 | niru | markybob, ok |
| 06:26.31 | The_Plumber | lol konq sucks. |
| 06:26.35 | hark | niru: readlink /usr/bin/firefox |
| 06:26.40 | The_Plumber | doesnt even know what a pagedown is |
| 06:26.53 | pythonic | pagedown? |
| 06:26.59 | The_Plumber | button |
| 06:27.03 | The_Plumber | pageup |
| 06:27.06 | pythonic | works for me. |
| 06:27.09 | scruffy | The_Plumber: mine works |
| 06:27.16 | The_Plumber | must be my crappy install of E |
| 06:27.20 | The_Plumber | ;-) |
| 06:27.24 | pythonic | e sucks |
| 06:27.34 | scruffy | The_Plumber: Backspace as a back button? not so much |
| 06:27.35 | The_Plumber | coolest wm ever! |
| 06:27.40 | markybob | pythonic: now that i agree with :) |
| 06:27.48 | pythonic | twm ftw! |
| 06:27.51 | The_Plumber | yes, you will agree -now- |
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| 06:28.08 | markybob | scruffy: backspace does nothing in iceweasel, fyi |
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| 06:28.37 | scruffy | markybob: correct, that's what I'm talking about. I guess one day I'll assign the key or something? |
| 06:28.38 | The_Plumber | yes, i like ff better. tried to upgrade gtk and broke libcairo, so had to wing it with Konq.... a tough time in my life |
| 06:28.51 | scruffy | (if that's possible, which is may be) |
| 06:28.55 | niru | hard,any information on ixcewseal is there? |
| 06:28.59 | scruffy | s/is/it/ |
| 06:29.08 | markybob | niru wikipedia it |
| 06:29.19 | hark | !why iceweasel |
| 06:29.19 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See #354622 for more information. |
| 06:29.31 | lilbluemarbl | guys ..anyone switched to 2.6.20 yet? |
| 06:29.37 | The_Plumber | i just did! |
| 06:29.42 | The_Plumber | running on Sarge no less |
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| 06:29.46 | lilbluemarbl | cool ..all unky dory? |
| 06:29.46 | eitan | Hello all. I'm using Etch, and I am having trouble streaming .asx files off the internet using the totem plugin for iceweasel. Does anyone know how to get this to work? |
| 06:29.50 | lilbluemarbl | ah ..me too! |
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| 06:29.55 | lilbluemarbl | *hunky |
| 06:29.59 | The_Plumber | it's nice but the sound is strange |
| 06:30.04 | markybob | eitan: try mplayer |
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| 06:30.19 | lilbluemarbl | alsa? |
| 06:30.21 | The_Plumber | lilbluemarbl: oss emulation is tough..... for games like doom etc |
| 06:30.22 | eitan | markybob: totem doesn't work? |
| 06:30.25 | nvz | eitan: install w32codecs from debian-multimedia |
| 06:30.28 | The_Plumber | yes alsa oss emulation |
| 06:30.40 | The_Plumber | sucks for things that need direct access.... |
| 06:30.40 | lilbluemarbl | curious .. what graphics card do you have? |
| 06:30.45 | lilbluemarbl | yeah |
| 06:30.47 | The_Plumber | nvidia |
| 06:30.52 | lilbluemarbl | am going nuts geting fglrx to work :( |
| 06:30.56 | lilbluemarbl | dual head no less :(( |
| 06:31.07 | The_Plumber | oh no |
| 06:31.11 | lilbluemarbl | you getting DRI? |
| 06:31.14 | The_Plumber | how many times have you compiled? |
| 06:31.17 | lilbluemarbl | lol |
| 06:31.20 | lilbluemarbl | dont ask |
| 06:31.26 | nvz | eitan: is it using xine as a backend? |
| 06:31.41 | lilbluemarbl | strange thing though .. the module is there.. the log file says DIR is on.. |
| 06:31.46 | The_Plumber | lilbluemarbl: i think (crosses self) that i just did my last compile.... |
| 06:31.54 | eitan | nvz: no... totem |
| 06:31.57 | lilbluemarbl | awesome .. hope it works for you! |
| 06:32.07 | markybob | eitan: totem users xine or gstreamer backends |
| 06:32.10 | nvz | eitan: totem isnt a player. it has to have something that plays |
| 06:32.10 | The_Plumber | i hope so too.... what was your problem? |
| 06:32.19 | markybob | eitan: uses* |
| 06:32.20 | eitan | nvz: oh... how do I find that out? |
| 06:32.24 | lilbluemarbl | Plumber: mind if i PM you? |
| 06:32.30 | nvz | eitan: get the codecs first see if they work |
| 06:32.31 | The_Plumber | sure |
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| 06:32.45 | nvz | eitan: if not try mplayer or installing totem-xine |
| 06:33.00 | hark | totem is just a dumy package for xine/gstreamer |
| 06:33.01 | The_Plumber | install both@! |
| 06:33.02 | eitan | nvz: how do I add the debian-multimedia repository? |
| 06:33.12 | markybob | eitan: go to the site and read the info |
| 06:33.17 | lilbluemarbl | sucks.. need to register.. |
| 06:33.18 | markybob | eitan: debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:33.21 | The_Plumber | xine has build in dvb (so does mplayer) but mplayer can get wierd |
| 06:33.36 | eitan | markybob: totem-xine is installed |
| 06:33.50 | hark | install w32codecs!! |
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| 06:34.05 | The_Plumber | eitan: notice alot of problems with totem-xine |
| 06:34.06 | markybob | hark you have to say things at least three times in here before people do it |
| 06:34.36 | eitan | I'm going to get the w32codecs now. |
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| 06:35.17 | lilbluemarbl | mplayer has better controls (>> and <<) as compared to totem.. |
| 06:35.30 | lilbluemarbl | and i guess both can play most codecs (if installed) |
| 06:35.37 | hark | then either totem-xine or mozilla-mplayer should be able to play it |
| 06:36.00 | The_Plumber | xine rocks, i remember back in the day when it wasn't so cool though |
| 06:36.04 | hark | *totem-mozilla |
| 06:36.07 | lilbluemarbl | another loud shout .. anyone using dual head on ATI? |
| 06:36.20 | The_Plumber | they did a good job on it. but it cracks when you play mp3's at least for me |
| 06:37.06 | The_Plumber | *mozilla-zine |
| 06:37.27 | lilbluemarbl | plumber: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=13931 |
| 06:37.32 | jtpsg | hey, I was wondering - does raid10 offer better reliability than raid1? or is just better performance? anyone know? :) |
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| 06:37.59 | Kevin`_ | jtpsg if it's not immediately obvious what it means, you really should look up the levels |
| 06:38.15 | Kevin`_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_of_independent_disks |
| 06:38.18 | jtpsg | i have |
| 06:38.27 | jtpsg | its raid1+0 |
| 06:38.43 | valehru | Hey guys, Im just about to download etch, I want to know as I am on wifi and will need to set up the broadcom card before I can access the net would the net install be a good option for me? |
| 06:38.59 | lilbluemarbl | btw. whats the main diff b/w etch an sarge? |
| 06:39.01 | Kevin`_ | raid1 with the same number of disks as the raid10 would provide much better redundancy, of course, with a lot less space |
| 06:39.11 | Kevin`_ | this should be obvious :) |
| 06:39.27 | jtpsg | yes, well i guess it is I just wanted to make sure |
| 06:39.41 | valehru | lilbluemarbl, besides the version number |
| 06:39.42 | valehru | ? |
| 06:39.52 | Kevin`_ | using raid1 with 4 drives is probably kind of silly |
| 06:39.57 | The_Plumber | lilbluemarbl: odd, so its having a problem with its System.map looks like.... |
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| 06:40.14 | The_Plumber | lilbluemarbl: one moment |
| 06:40.15 | lilbluemarbl | umm..hold on..while i google system.map :) |
| 06:40.18 | lilbluemarbl | sure.. |
| 06:40.19 | jtpsg | that would allow up to 3 drives to fail? |
| 06:40.20 | eitan | ok I got the w32codecs and I have totem-xine. It's still not able to stream an .asx file. |
| 06:40.36 | The_Plumber | system.map is a mapping of the memory address's of your hardware |
| 06:40.37 | eitan | Do I need to logout/login? |
| 06:40.37 | Kevin`_ | jtpsg yes |
| 06:41.10 | Kevin`_ | isn't it the memory addresses of the kernel, not the hardware? |
| 06:41.11 | jtpsg | so if I don't actually need much space, is there any point do 4 drives in raid10, or should i just do 2 in raid1 |
| 06:41.20 | The_Plumber | lilbluemarbl: its your undefined symbol error |
| 06:41.38 | Kevin`_ | jtpsg you could get better performance with the 4 drive raid10 |
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| 06:42.06 | jtpsg | okay, sounds good, thanks for the help :) |
| 06:42.17 | The_Plumber | lilbluemarbl: you will need a 2.0 compliant video card to work as your second card |
| 06:42.18 | Kevin`_ | np |
| 06:42.19 | lilbluemarbl | ah .. well I didnt bother about it coz with 2.16, and an older ATI driver.. I had the same error.. |
| 06:42.28 | lilbluemarbl | but DRI worked just fine.. |
| 06:42.30 | basantashrestha | how do you find out what gcc compiler you sould use to compile the software so that it doesn't give segmentation fault |
| 06:42.38 | lilbluemarbl | actually got 1000+ fps on fglx_gears ! |
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| 06:42.50 | The_Plumber | they recommend matrox cards from what I have read |
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| 06:42.51 | The_Plumber | wow |
| 06:42.53 | The_Plumber | nice |
| 06:42.55 | lilbluemarbl | ah .i just have one ..the ATI fire gl v7100.. |
| 06:43.02 | scruffy | hooray - late night public television beading show. Who watches this stuff? |
| 06:43.03 | lilbluemarbl | yeah ..512mb :D |
| 06:43.09 | The_Plumber | thought you wanted to go dual? |
| 06:43.16 | The_Plumber | oh, does that have to video outs? |
| 06:43.19 | lilbluemarbl | yeah ..this card has dual |
| 06:43.21 | The_Plumber | 2 |
| 06:43.22 | lilbluemarbl | yup |
| 06:43.25 | The_Plumber | gotcha |
| 06:43.27 | The_Plumber | hmmmmmm |
| 06:43.28 | lilbluemarbl | neat eh? :) |
| 06:43.40 | The_Plumber | yeah we have them at our hostpital |
| 06:43.47 | The_Plumber | 500clams/card |
| 06:43.49 | lilbluemarbl | ah .. am kinda in that field too |
| 06:43.54 | The_Plumber | heheehehehe |
| 06:43.55 | valehru | scruffy, usually people just coming back from the bars who can't see the remote control/tv never mind operate one... |
| 06:44.03 | lilbluemarbl | bio-med image processing.. |
| 06:44.08 | scruffy | valehru: :) |
| 06:44.13 | lilbluemarbl | thought the only use of that graphics card is in playing DoD :) |
| 06:44.19 | The_Plumber | what about running fbdev x11? |
| 06:44.28 | The_Plumber | you doing that too? |
| 06:44.36 | The_Plumber | saw you were using xorg |
| 06:44.38 | lilbluemarbl | whats that? ..got to google again |
| 06:44.44 | lilbluemarbl | ah ..X11 |
| 06:44.49 | The_Plumber | framebuffer x11 |
| 06:45.01 | lilbluemarbl | hmm .. isnt linux going the xorg way? |
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| 06:45.07 | lilbluemarbl | or am mislead... |
| 06:45.10 | The_Plumber | that was one of the problems i had was using generic fb |
| 06:45.18 | zeeeee | help, when i do "mount -t cifs -r //athlon2400/shared /mnt/dest -o 'user=me'" i get "mount: cannot mount block device //athlon2400/shared read-only" |
| 06:45.20 | The_Plumber | i believe it is, im not though |
| 06:45.23 | scruffy | valehru: you think us Linux geeks are geeks, you should see these ladies on the "beading show", they're all over it. |
| 06:45.30 | The_Plumber | lol |
| 06:45.33 | valehru | hah |
| 06:45.37 | zeeeee | i can access the share from windows just fine. what's going on? (i'm not even prompted for a password) |
| 06:45.39 | lilbluemarbl | k ..will wiat ..an try that later too... |
| 06:45.42 | zeeeee | i also checked my firewall. any help would be most appreciated. |
| 06:45.57 | The_Plumber | lilbluemarbl:brb gonna check something |
| 06:46.02 | lilbluemarbl | sure thing.. :) |
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| 06:48.18 | The_Plumber | lilbl: here they say you can use XFREE86 --> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| 06:48.57 | eitan | markybob: I'm still having trouble with the totem plugin. I downloaded the codecs... what should I do now? |
| 06:49.08 | lilbluemarbl | oh .. for the dual display? ..am sure it works.. |
| 06:49.27 | markybob | eitan: i told you to install mplayer. try that |
| 06:49.32 | lilbluemarbl | me thinks my problem is with ATI driver an the kernel .. |
| 06:49.45 | lilbluemarbl | since the same xorg worked fine with an older kernel an driver.. |
| 06:49.52 | The_Plumber | hmmmm |
| 06:49.55 | lilbluemarbl | prolly just ahve to wait till more of us face this.. |
| 06:49.59 | lilbluemarbl | an some one does something :D |
| 06:50.12 | The_Plumber | you could try to use the framebuffer for you card |
| 06:50.22 | The_Plumber | then you wouldn't need all the driver voodo |
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| 06:50.36 | lilbluemarbl | ah.. thats possible eh? |
| 06:50.40 | lilbluemarbl | will look it up |
| 06:50.51 | lilbluemarbl | does that mean you can play 3D games? |
| 06:51.07 | The_Plumber | i have been wanting to try out the FB version of X |
| 06:51.20 | lilbluemarbl | just for kicks? :) |
| 06:51.28 | lilbluemarbl | well.. will hack something .. |
| 06:51.37 | lilbluemarbl | will update that thread if i find anything useful |
| 06:51.56 | lilbluemarbl | me off to bed now.. enough time wasted on this. |
| 06:52.06 | The_Plumber | 3d games? yes. I believe you will need also need opengl etc but fb support is nice, I go from 1024x768 to 320x240 automagically for lsdoom |
| 06:52.12 | The_Plumber | good night! |
| 06:52.16 | lilbluemarbl | 'nite! |
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| 06:53.26 | aldin | anyone knows how to have 24bit colors in vncviewr? |
| 06:53.55 | eitan | markybob: I installed mplayer and the mplayer plugin. It still doesn't work. Should I uninstall the totem plugin? |
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| 06:54.25 | Kevin`_ | grsecurity is cool |
| 06:54.47 | scruffy | aldin: vncviewer -depth 24 |
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| 06:55.01 | markybob | eitan: yes and restart the browser after you do that |
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| 06:57.13 | janttsu | why is cat /etc/debian_version giving me "lenny/sid"? |
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| 06:57.48 | eitan | markybob: great. It works. It's slow to download the music, but it works. Thank you very much! |
| 06:57.49 | markybob | janttsu: because you have testing and/or sid entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:57.55 | markybob | eitan: np |
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| 06:58.21 | eitan | markybob: btw... if totem works so poorly, why doesn't the default debian install use mplayer? |
| 06:58.23 | janttsu | markybob: i have only lenny entries there.. just wondering why lenny looks like unstable there |
| 06:58.42 | markybob | eitan: because they like to stick with gnome defaults...which is totem |
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| 06:58.53 | eitan | markybob: ok.. thanks. |
| 06:58.56 | eitan | bye all! |
| 06:59.06 | markybob | janttsu: lenny is testing. that's exactly why |
| 06:59.09 | marmoset | anyone decent with vpn/ipsec that can answer a couple basic theory questions? |
| 06:59.25 | janttsu | markybob: but it's not unstable like sid. shouldn't there read "lenny/testing"? |
| 06:59.33 | Kevin`_ | when will lenny be released? debian is so slow! ;p |
| 06:59.42 | markybob | janttsu: no. that's how it's done |
| 06:59.52 | markybob | Kevin`_: at the very least a year |
| 06:59.56 | stargate | hi i have a very basic question, I have a debian package of a video server for ARM platform how would i install it? |
| 06:59.56 | liable | why is debina so old? hello!! |
| 07:00.18 | liable | !irritate Kevin`_ |
| 07:00.18 | dpkg | Kevin`_: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
| 07:00.23 | Kevin`_ | marmoset maybe |
| 07:00.39 | liable | i was hoping the debina one :( |
| 07:01.09 | stargate | someone plz help? |
| 07:01.09 | Kevin`_ | stargate dpkg -i file |
| 07:01.13 | scruffy | stargate: you might want `dpkg -i` |
| 07:01.40 | liable | you might want to RTFM!! lollerskates!! |
| 07:02.21 | stargate | does the file have to be in a specific folder on arm? |
| 07:02.28 | Kevin`_ | no |
| 07:02.32 | stargate | or this command wouldl work anywhwer |
| 07:02.37 | stargate | thanks |
| 07:02.57 | scruffy | stargate: dpkg -i /path/to/arm/video/server/package.deb |
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| 07:03.21 | stargate | thanks |
| 07:03.48 | acu | I would like to convert a .vob file into an .mp3 file - any hint? |
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| 07:04.13 | markybob | acu: lookup the transcode wiki |
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| 07:04.45 | Kevin`_ | acu transcode or mencoder |
| 07:05.32 | jtpsg | can anyone recommend a good SAS Raid controller to use with debian? |
| 07:05.39 | marmoset | Kevin`_: well basically, I have a set of off-network servers using a debian gateway, and I want them to connect back to my network via an encrypted tunnel to a machine that's not the gateway for everything else, but does have connectivity to them. essentially, I want all the network traffic from those off-net machines to look like they're coming from the IP of this one on-net machine. I'm trying to figure out if racoon is the way to do that. |
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| 07:07.00 | Kevin`_ | marmoset I would use openvpn (this isn't ipsec, but ipsec vpn would work similarly.. it's what I know), and normal netfilter NAT to have it all come from the same ip |
| 07:07.44 | markybob | stunnel would probably do the trick, too |
| 07:08.10 | Kevin`_ | I wouldn't use stunnel for this, not robust enough |
| 07:08.36 | marmoset | this does need to be fairly robust, and as high speed as possible, it'll be for database replication traffic for production serveres |
| 07:09.22 | marmoset | I'll give openvpn a look, thanks |
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| 07:10.05 | Kevin`_ | it's a very nice vpn product IMO, works over tcp or udp, windows or linux |
| 07:10.19 | Kevin`_ | (and bsd probably) |
| 07:10.29 | marmoset | it says bsd ;) |
| 07:10.40 | Kevin`_ | if you can, you should use udp, for reasons that you probably already know |
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| 07:15.56 | FlameBird | !pppoe |
| 07:15.57 | dpkg | methinks pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 07:16.26 | FlameBird | well I installed etch from the KDE cdrom and I cant find pppoeconf |
| 07:16.29 | FlameBird | any ideas? |
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| 07:17.55 | FlameBird | anyone?! |
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| 07:20.50 | FlameBird | !rp-pppoe |
| 07:23.24 | hark | install it from the cd? |
| 07:23.32 | markybob | FlameBird: it's on there. are you saying apt-get install pppoeconf doesnt work? |
| 07:23.58 | FlameBird | markybob, i cant connect to the net without pppoeconf |
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| 07:24.01 | hark | the installer also supports it.. read the install guide |
| 07:24.05 | FlameBird | i installed from the single KDE disc 1 |
| 07:24.07 | markybob | FlameBird: it's on the cd |
| 07:24.11 | FlameBird | is it? |
| 07:24.13 | FlameBird | thanks |
| 07:24.27 | FlameBird | and one more thing does etch have bootsplash? |
| 07:24.53 | hark | !bootsplash |
| 07:24.53 | dpkg | i guess bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 07:24.55 | FlameBird | eh markybob ? |
| 07:25.15 | markybob | FlameBird: yes. http://packages.debian.org/stable/graphics/bootsplash |
| 07:25.18 | FlameBird | sheesh leave bootsplash too much of work |
| 07:26.06 | FlameBird | lemme try pppoeconf first |
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| 07:27.15 | mazzanet | hmmm |
| 07:27.33 | mazzanet | is it possible to have pipes/redirection in sudo commands? |
| 07:27.49 | xpurple | I'm trying to get X11 to work with OpenGL, how do I change which xorg server I'm running? |
| 07:28.42 | xpurple | Or, is there a program I can run that can just set it up? When I boot knopix it does just that. |
| 07:28.48 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:28.56 | mazzanet | morning |
| 07:29.00 | mazzanet | or evening |
| 07:29.07 | pythonic | or the dead of night! |
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| 07:29.15 | mazzanet | 17:29 saturday here |
| 07:29.20 | pythonic | with the emphasis on dead |
| 07:29.22 | pythonic | hahaha! |
| 07:29.24 | mazzanet | :P |
| 07:29.28 | mazzanet | i'm from the future! |
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| 07:30.31 | pythonic | mazzanet: you in australia too? |
| 07:31.07 | nvz | pythonic: australia sinks in the future |
| 07:31.11 | mazzanet | damn straight |
| 07:31.57 | pythonic | nvz: i'd say that's fairly unlikely :-) |
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| 07:32.24 | nvz | pythonic: not in the future. down under, goes way down under |
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| 07:32.44 | DavidProck1981 | any one know the ati one-liner |
| 07:32.55 | pythonic | !ati |
| 07:32.55 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 07:32.56 | nvz | !ati |
| 07:33.16 | nvz | jinx |
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| 07:35.32 | flamebird | it worked!!! |
| 07:35.46 | nvz | what!!! |
| 07:35.50 | flamebird | since I have done a offline install how do I enabled repos? |
| 07:35.58 | pythonic | it!!! |
| 07:36.05 | flamebird | huh? |
| 07:36.12 | nvz | what? |
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| 07:36.18 | pythonic | yes??? |
| 07:36.22 | nvz | yeah.. |
| 07:36.36 | pythonic | hu's on first base |
| 07:36.39 | nvz | okay! |
| 07:36.44 | Supaplex | flamebird: but now do you have network access? |
| 07:36.46 | rissy | Hey, I'm having a GRUB / LILO (trying both, none will install) problem. I'm trying to install them. However, each time I have tried to install, it's failing. I have tried hdb1, sda etc etc. How would I find out the path of my /boot without exiting my installation wizard, or would I just have to try every combination? |
| 07:36.53 | flamebird | how do I enabled internet repos for apt? |
| 07:37.01 | flamebird | Supaplex: yep!!! |
| 07:37.06 | Supaplex | !tell flamebird -about sources.list |
| 07:37.15 | Kevin`_ | rissy alt+f2 |
| 07:37.20 | Kevin`_ | or f3 maybe it is |
| 07:37.20 | Supaplex | rissy: try the mbr. |
| 07:37.23 | Kevin`_ | will give you a shell |
| 07:37.32 | rissy | Supaplex, that fails as well. |
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| 07:37.55 | rissy | keith80403, doesn't give me shell. |
| 07:37.59 | Kevin`_ | if it continues to not work you could just ignore it and install it later using a grub boot floppy/cd |
| 07:38.02 | rissy | * Kevin`_ |
| 07:38.04 | Supaplex | rissy: so what's happening when it fails? elaborate. |
| 07:38.05 | Kevin`_ | assuming the files got copied |
| 07:38.19 | JeffH | Is there any reason to switch from Woody to Etch for lack of a better reason than just switching? |
| 07:38.27 | Supaplex | rissy: and how are you installing it? |
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| 07:38.46 | Kevin`_ | JeffH newer software, better performace probably |
| 07:38.52 | rissy | Supaplex, I'm using the installation from www.goodbye-microsoft.com. Basicly, I'm just trying to install it to my 300mb partition at the start of my hard drive, which is ext3 set at /boot |
| 07:38.55 | rissy | It's failing. |
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| 07:38.55 | Supaplex | JeffH: woody is archived. no updates. |
| 07:39.17 | rissy | I have tried GRUB and LILO, neither will install. I have tried to install them to the MBR, but that fails as well. |
| 07:39.20 | Supaplex | rissy: what type of hdd is this? |
| 07:39.25 | rissy | Basicly, the error message just says it failed to install. |
| 07:39.31 | flamebird | Supaplex: I have nothing in that file mate |
| 07:39.32 | Kevin`_ | woody is indeed quite old, why aren't you already using sarge at least? |
| 07:39.38 | rissy | Supaplex, the normal type? Lol. It's a laptop, intel. |
| 07:39.50 | JeffH | oops.. I misspoke.. I ment Sarge -> Etch |
| 07:39.52 | Supaplex | rissy: normal is relative. to assume is assinine. :) |
| 07:39.59 | xpurple | Gah |
| 07:40.06 | rissy | Supaplex, huh? |
| 07:40.08 | flamebird | where do I enabled the damn repos! |
| 07:40.09 | flamebird | :D |
| 07:40.14 | crazy_penguin | Good morning all! |
| 07:40.15 | flamebird | enable* |
| 07:40.18 | Supaplex | !sources.list |
| 07:40.18 | dpkg | hmm... sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, or see <etch security> |
| 07:40.19 | flamebird | morning crazy_penguin |
| 07:40.22 | JeffH | Is there any reason to switch from *Sarge* to Etch for lack of a better reason than just switching? |
| 07:40.23 | Kevin`_ | flamebird /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:40.29 | Supaplex | flamebird: with a text editor |
| 07:40.51 | rissy | Supaplex, what did you mean by normal is relative etc? |
| 07:40.54 | Kevin`_ | JeffH newer software, better performance maybe |
| 07:40.54 | streuner | flamebird: fucking 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 07:40.57 | Supaplex | !assume |
| 07:40.57 | dpkg | well, assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 07:41.01 | nvz | JeffH: its new! shiny new shit syndrome is going around |
| 07:41.13 | flamebird | streuner: done :P |
| 07:41.24 | nvz | dpkg, SNS syndrome? |
| 07:41.25 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 07:41.25 | Supaplex | rissy: can you run lspci from a shell? |
| 07:41.31 | streuner | !congratulate flamebird |
| 07:41.32 | dpkg | Good show flamebird, you did it! |
| 07:41.35 | rissy | Supaplex, I can't. |
| 07:41.48 | rissy | I don't have shell access via the installation wizard. |
| 07:41.53 | rissy | Unless there is a combo I don't know of. |
| 07:41.59 | Supaplex | rissy: try C+A+F2 |
| 07:42.02 | Kevin`_ | rissy alt+f2 f3 f3 etc don't work? |
| 07:42.07 | JeffH | nvz: yeah.. but that's quickly followed by the shit breaks syndrom if you're not careful. I have a nice stable box that does everything I need. Testing out Etch before I commit would be a pain.. I'll basically need to buy a new box. |
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| 07:42.18 | Kevin`_ | oh wait, that one uses a gui doesn't it |
| 07:42.20 | Supaplex | Kevin`_: he's using the gtk installer. |
| 07:42.22 | Kevin`_ | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 07:42.24 | flamebird | Supaplex: now how do i refresh the package list? |
| 07:42.34 | rissy | Kevin`_, Supaplex, got shell. WAs none of those combo's. |
| 07:42.38 | Supaplex | flamebird: apt-get update |
| 07:42.38 | flamebird | i have added the mirror |
| 07:42.39 | markybob | flamebird: for the love of all that is pure and holy, READ A DOC |
| 07:42.41 | rissy | One moment for lspci |
| 07:42.55 | rissy | Uh, yeah. List is huge. |
| 07:43.00 | Supaplex | rissy: just the ata/sata stuff is all I'm interested in. |
| 07:43.07 | rissy | I'll see if I can install a ssh server, ssh to it, and get it that way. |
| 07:43.08 | Kevin`_ | what's your ide or sata or mass storage controller |
| 07:43.09 | rissy | One moment. |
| 07:43.14 | JeffH | what version of postgresql comes with Etch? |
| 07:43.14 | Supaplex | hold on, and I'll find a shorter output. |
| 07:43.17 | rissy | Supaplex, ah okay. |
| 07:43.23 | Supaplex | or nopaste it. |
| 07:43.24 | streuner | flamebird: just start to read 'man dpkg and man apt-get' otherwise you won't have much fun with debian... |
| 07:43.32 | Supaplex | JeffH: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 07:43.53 | rissy | Hah, apt-get not found. I guess that hasn't been installed yet :/ |
| 07:43.54 | Kevin`_ | !info postgresql etch |
| 07:44.00 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system (transitional)), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.5.22 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 07:44.43 | JeffH | hm.. I thought they were on 8.x.. |
| 07:45.02 | scx | bonjour |
| 07:45.06 | hark | that's available too |
| 07:45.06 | pythonic | i'm running 8.1 |
| 07:45.19 | rissy | Supaplex, Kevin`_, it says "00:1f:2 SATA controller: Inter Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller AHCI (rev 01)" |
| 07:45.24 | hark | !tell JeffH about search |
| 07:45.29 | Kevin`_ | postgresql-8.1 - object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server |
| 07:45.30 | JeffH | pythonic: is that using Etch without backports? |
| 07:45.47 | rissy | Supaplex, Kevin`_, also has an IDE interface. |
| 07:45.48 | rissy | Er, IDE hdd. |
| 07:45.55 | Kevin`_ | rissy cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:46.16 | pythonic | JeffH: yep |
| 07:46.17 | Supaplex | !ich7 |
| 07:46.20 | rissy | oh sweet! Kevin`_ <3 |
| 07:46.25 | JeffH | thanks pythonic |
| 07:46.26 | rissy | i'll test those part's |
| 07:46.30 | Supaplex | I've seen that chipset. I'm not sure what to make of it. |
| 07:46.35 | streuner | dpkg, listvals ich7 |
| 07:46.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ich7' by value returned no results. |
| 07:46.47 | pythonic | http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/postgresql-8.1 |
| 07:47.04 | Supaplex | I canceled a dedicated server because I was unable to roll debian into it. (recently). |
| 07:47.21 | streuner | Supaplex: some 'highpoint' crap, its usually well supported in newer kernels... |
| 07:47.56 | rissy | Supaplex, Kevin`_, both of the partitions that are /boot failed. |
| 07:48.02 | Kevin`_ | oh, someone want to help me get pcmcia working on my laptop here next to me? |
| 07:48.04 | Supaplex | let's see if I can roll a new upload for goodbye-windows.com... 1m. |
| 07:48.07 | rissy | i'll try the otheres now |
| 07:48.10 | Kevin`_ | it worked during the install process, as I did a netinstall |
| 07:48.14 | Kevin`_ | but it doesn't work on boot |
| 07:48.47 | Supaplex | rissy: try grub-install '(hd0)' from the shell. |
| 07:48.47 | marmoset | Kevin`_: sweet, got a basic openvpn with masq working how I want it, will have to investigate doing it up properly with certs and stuff, but this can at least do the trick |
| 07:48.47 | marmoset | Kevin`_: thanks a bunch |
| 07:48.51 | Kevin`_ | np marmoset :) |
| 07:49.07 | rissy | Supaplex, grub-install not found. |
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| 07:49.56 | Kevin`_ | someone should make a debian installer that installs to a loop mounted file on ntfs |
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| 07:50.21 | markybob | Kevin`_: feel free |
| 07:50.27 | Kevin`_ | heh |
| 07:50.35 | Kevin`_ | hm |
| 07:50.43 | rissy | Supaplex, wouldn't that mean it doesn't even have grub installation to install it to anything from? Therefore, it would fail always :/ |
| 07:50.43 | rissy | :S |
| 07:50.51 | Supaplex | rissy: you can try http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/debian-exe/20070414-014919/ |
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| 07:51.07 | rissy | okay |
| 07:51.19 | Supaplex | current svn release. |
| 07:51.25 | rissy | :) |
| 07:51.32 | Kevin`_ | rissy did the installer already install all the distro files? |
| 07:51.52 | rissy | Kevin`_, i've been taking very step, so it should of. |
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| 07:51.59 | rissy | It installed the base system |
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| 07:52.24 | Kevin`_ | rissy if I were you I would boot it with a grub floppy (or cd), get everything sorted, and fix grub after |
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| 07:53.03 | Supaplex | rissy: expert mode allows you to specify which kernel you're fetching to. |
| 07:53.05 | rissy | yeah, how would i do that, do i just put grub onto a cd or something and boot it? |
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| 07:53.11 | rissy | yeah |
| 07:53.20 | rissy | Supaplex, i just choose the selected kernal |
| 07:53.25 | Kevin`_ | rissy effectively, yes, just boot the grub cd you made and do |
| 07:53.31 | hoodlum | if i want to make changes to my kernel with make menuconfig, which directory should i be in? |
| 07:53.31 | Supaplex | root = /dev/[sh]daX |
| 07:53.31 | Kevin`_ | root (hd0,1) (or similar) |
| 07:53.33 | rissy | cool as. |
| 07:53.35 | hoodlum | i know its usr or something similar |
| 07:53.45 | Kevin`_ | kernel /vmlinux-blah root=blah |
| 07:53.47 | Kevin`_ | initrd /blah |
| 07:53.48 | Kevin`_ | boot |
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| 07:54.04 | Supaplex | rissy: quick pm ok? |
| 07:54.10 | rissy | Supaplex, cool as. |
| 07:54.16 | rissy | actually, i'll be back soon, phone call :P |
| 07:54.51 | hoodlum | if i want to make changes to my kernel with make menuconfig, which directory should i be in? |
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| 07:55.15 | Kevin`_ | rissy fyi, grub supports tab completion of files names and device names. quite important when actually using it |
| 07:55.17 | Supaplex | k. np, just a tiny note. |
| 07:55.24 | markybob | hoodlum: the...uh...root of the source...but if you didnt know that, you probably shouldnt be messing with kernel source |
| 07:55.31 | Supaplex | Kevin`_: it has builtin find to :) |
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| 07:55.36 | Kevin`_ | hoodlum the directory of the source tree your making changes to |
| 07:55.36 | Supaplex | eg, find /sbin/init |
| 07:55.50 | hoodlum | oh ok |
| 07:55.58 | rissy | back |
| 08:00.05 | DavidProck1981 | ok i need help with /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
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| 08:00.29 | Kevin`_ | how's that? |
| 08:00.31 | Kevin`_ | how to read it? |
| 08:00.55 | DavidProck1981 | im stuck after i do module-assistant a-i fglrx |
| 08:01.01 | Kevin`_ | someone help me get pcmcia working on my laptop |
| 08:01.12 | DavidProck1981 | dont understand where the kernel sorce is |
| 08:02.27 | Kevin`_ | no peoples want to help me :( |
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| 08:02.46 | MANITOU | i need driver for usb wireless zd1201 ? can i use zd1211 ? can't find 1201! |
| 08:03.08 | Kevin`_ | http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:03.12 | Kevin`_ | says google |
| 08:03.23 | MANITOU | thx |
| 08:03.37 | cahoot | MANITOU: zd1201rw is in kernel |
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| 08:03.55 | MANITOU | i can't start it ? |
| 08:04.03 | cahoot | MANITOU: sorry misread |
| 08:04.08 | Kevin`_ | indeed it does seem that driver is part of the kernel |
| 08:04.09 | hark | what? |
| 08:05.20 | MANITOU | my wireless, lsusb says it's zd1201 |
| 08:05.33 | hark | so modprobe it.. |
| 08:05.48 | hark | !info zd1211-firmware |
| 08:05.49 | dpkg | zd1211-firmware: (Firmware images for the zd1211 and zd1211rw wireless drivers), section non-free/base, is extra. Version: 2.16.0.0-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 08:06.25 | cahoot | he looks for zd1201 |
| 08:06.31 | DavidProck1981 | brb got to shit |
| 08:06.32 | Legality | I'm having a weird problem.. I can see from the logs that I've got a cronjob running that is not listed in the crontab -e when logged as root |
| 08:06.40 | hark | yeah, just modprobe zd1201 |
| 08:06.53 | Legality | I need to remove that cronjob asap |
| 08:07.30 | Legality | shouldn't the root crontab show all the users crontabs? |
| 08:07.59 | rissy | Supaplex, i just realised that your installer has a httpd on it, so i can just copy / paste lspci etc information directly from it :) |
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| 08:08.49 | hark | MANITOU: modprobe it check dmesg.. you might need the firmware as well |
| 08:09.47 | rissy | in fact, Supaplex, i should screen shot the exact errors for you! |
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| 08:10.37 | MANITOU | failed with error -2 |
| 08:11.56 | hark | MANITOU: what else does it say? |
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| 08:12.20 | Supaplex | rissy: sounds like a plan. I'm many hours past sleep, so I'll have to let you go. |
| 08:12.43 | rissy | okay, have a good one |
| 08:13.41 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:13.41 | dpkg | well, qotd100 is < xpurple> Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA" |
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| 08:14.59 | kendwork | what's the incantation to download the source-code for a package and compile/install it? |
| 08:15.01 | DavidProck1981 | what is this about, why the slash at the end and why is the command on 2 different lines.......... |
| 08:15.10 | DavidProck1981 | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" \ |
| 08:15.13 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.21 | markybob | kendwork: apt-get build-dep foo && apt-get source -b foo |
| 08:15.23 | kendwork | i'd like to patch the source to something that's currently package-managed |
| 08:15.30 | kendwork | that's right, build-dep, thanks |
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| 08:16.20 | kendwork | once i patch it, can i keep it package-managed? |
| 08:16.24 | markybob | DavidProck1981: the \ makes the shell not run yet because there's more coming ...the second line. it's in two lines to make reading and editing easier |
| 08:16.34 | kendwork | i.e., once i've gotten the source to the package, what can i do _after_ patching it? |
| 08:16.43 | markybob | kendwork: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc |
| 08:17.01 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 08:17.23 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 08:17.29 | kendwork | my wife will thank you. :) xrandr (*cough* on ubuntu) is broken in that it stops working after a suspend/resume |
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| 08:17.43 | kendwork | which means her new X41 rotates when she switches to tablet mode only until she suspends |
| 08:17.49 | hark | --rfakeroot |
| 08:17.50 | kendwork | then she has to restart X to get it working again :^( |
| 08:18.04 | hark | s/--/- |
| 08:18.22 | smoker | from MANITOU http://pastebin.ca/439432 |
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| 08:19.46 | hark | smoker: get the firmware... |
| 08:19.56 | smoker | where ? |
| 08:20.20 | hark | wherever.. and extract it in /lib/firmware/ |
| 08:20.24 | DavidProck1981 | what i am reading is telling me to 'cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.y' but i dont have a dir that starts with kernel, what do i do |
| 08:20.30 | kendwork | oh shoot, it's in xorg-xserver, not xrandr |
| 08:20.33 | smoker | ok |
| 08:20.41 | kendwork | linux-source? |
| 08:20.56 | johfel | Please help! I have updated my debian sid and now the libc seems destroyd. All console programs give the error "relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" |
| 08:21.02 | hark | !find zd1201 etch |
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| 08:21.11 | DavidProck1981 | i got linux and linux-headers****** |
| 08:21.56 | markybob | johfel: which is why you dont run sid if you dont know what you're doing |
| 08:21.56 | Tallu | johfel: sid isnt supported |
| 08:21.56 | hark | DavidProck1981: and that is not the source |
| 08:21.56 | johfel | ok |
| 08:21.56 | markybob | johfel: install etch |
| 08:21.56 | Supaplex | johfel: and what about bts? |
| 08:21.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zd1201' (3 of 18): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1201.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/include/config/usb/zd1201.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1201.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686. |
| 08:21.56 | cahoot | johfel: if I'm not mistaken that problem was flagged by listbugs |
| 08:21.56 | Supaplex | !btssmite johfel |
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| 08:22.38 | hark | smoker: yeah, no firmware in Debian for that.. google it |
| 08:22.39 | smoker | ok later THX !! |
| 08:22.43 | smoker | BBQ calling ;) |
| 08:22.44 | DavidProck1981 | so the headers is ot the source ? |
| 08:22.50 | Legality | hey, how to jump in nano straight to the end of the text file? |
| 08:23.03 | markybob | DavidProck1981: your first clue is that they're called different things |
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| 08:23.18 | DavidProck1981 | so how can i get what i need |
| 08:23.31 | markybob | apt-cache search for whatever it is you're looking for |
| 08:23.44 | hark | DavidProck1981: why do you need the source? |
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| 08:25.40 | alleyoopster | Hi everyone |
| 08:25.46 | DavidProck1981 | hark im reading what dpkg told me, dont remember the link |
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| 08:26.00 | Legality | is it possible to jump to the end of the file in nano? |
| 08:26.04 | hark | well, for what then? |
| 08:26.18 | DavidProck1981 | to install my ati drivers |
| 08:26.31 | DavidProck1981 | the fglrx drivers |
| 08:26.32 | hark | no you don't |
| 08:26.39 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 08:26.44 | hark | the headers are enough |
| 08:27.03 | nevyn | Legality: umm MEta / |
| 08:27.11 | Legality | nevyn? |
| 08:27.11 | nevyn | ie alt / |
| 08:27.13 | markybob | !fglrex one-liner |
| 08:27.18 | markybob | !fglrx one-liner |
| 08:27.19 | dpkg | i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 08:27.27 | nevyn | Legality: that's what the help says... |
| 08:27.44 | markybob | that's it. simple enough |
| 08:27.53 | Legality | ie alt / ? |
| 08:28.10 | alleyoopster | I have been trying to fix a resume hanging issue whe using nvidia. Got to a point where a suggestion to remove agpgart has left me stuck as nvidia depends on it. how to remove agpgart and use nvagp when nvidia seems to need agpgart? |
| 08:28.51 | nevyn | META == ALT |
| 08:28.59 | nevyn | the docs say meta + / |
| 08:29.09 | nevyn | this means for US keyboard users alt + / |
| 08:29.12 | DavidProck1981 | alleyoopster, just wondering what nvidia card u have |
| 08:29.19 | hark | probably the kernel would provide it then instead of the drivers |
| 08:30.00 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981:Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop with an Nvidia GeForce4 4200 Go |
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| 08:30.28 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.54 | scx | weird thing... I've playing a game for 3 days and now I want to croll up using the game's controls :s |
| 08:30.56 | exhuma | What can be wrong when courier-imap refuses to even try to connect to postgresql? Even though I did specify authpgsql in the authdemonrc? |
| 08:31.04 | scx | err: scroll |
| 08:31.24 | DavidProck1981 | my chipset is intel 845PT |
| 08:31.44 | DavidProck1981 | deshtop board |
| 08:32.06 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: you have suspend / resume working with nvidia? |
| 08:32.24 | Legality | nevyn: it's ctrl + / here :> |
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| 08:32.36 | scx | exhuma: doesn't curier need a db connection library |
| 08:32.50 | DavidProck1981 | only cards i have ever had is atl, but i need to buy an nvidia card cause ati sucks |
| 08:32.58 | exhuma | scx: it's installed |
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| 08:33.31 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: this has worked on some of the sons and daughters of Debian, not sure why it is being so difficult |
| 08:34.19 | nevyn | Legality: ctrl + / should ask you for a line number (does here) |
| 08:34.30 | scx | exhuma: I guess you already checked PSQL and IMAP separetely right? |
| 08:34.33 | Legality | oh, that's true |
| 08:34.42 | nevyn | Legality: well it all depends what meta and ctrl are on your keyboard |
| 08:34.57 | DavidProck1981 | in fact i saw the Nvidia GeForce4 4200 something at wallmart and was thinkong about getting it |
| 08:34.57 | nevyn | meta + / will take you directly to the last line |
| 08:35.08 | exhuma | scx: Well, I am already receiving mails using the postgres setup with exim, and I can telnet into IMAP. |
| 08:35.43 | exhuma | scx: Once I do a ". LOGIN foo bar" into the telnet session I suppose it should show up /some/ query in the postgres logs. But there is big emptyness ;) |
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| 08:37.14 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: I have Nvidia's in all the machines I use, I think they have the best linux support |
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| 08:37.48 | nevyn | the lkml guys opinion would differ but hey what would they know about linux... |
| 08:37.53 | DavidProck1981 | alleyoopster what did u do to run into that problem so ill know what to avoid if i get that card |
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| 08:38.22 | Harzilein | i did not like ati back when i had my rage 128, because of the problems (as in, not getting it to work with linux) with the tv out |
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| 08:38.56 | nevyn | TV out is a pita everywhere (even when the tv has a DSUB or DVI connector getting it working right is pain |
| 08:38.56 | Harzilein | that was the last card i bought, because after that i got pretty decent "old" ones from gamers |
| 08:39.11 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: it is worth getting a later card, I am using legacy drivers now, it is 5 years old |
| 08:39.38 | Harzilein | and they were nvidia, TNT2 and GF2 |
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| 08:40.18 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: I changed my distro to Debian LOL |
| 08:40.21 | Asdfgsggh | hi all |
| 08:40.28 | DavidProck1981 | i just want something cheap to tide me over for a while, cause im going have to wait before i can do any big updrades |
| 08:40.29 | Harzilein | maybe i am mixing up something with "TNT2"... damned product names |
| 08:40.40 | Asdfgsggh | in which package is dpkg-architecture command? |
| 08:40.41 | alleyoopster | hi Asdfgsggh |
| 08:40.57 | DavidProck1981 | that is better that ati's support LOL |
| 08:41.11 | pythonic | Asdfgsggh: dpkg-dev |
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| 08:42.01 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: ok, well it's a good card, just seems I am having problems. remember mine is integrated and using a different agp chipset, so my problems may not apply |
| 08:42.19 | DavidProck1981 | oh ok |
| 08:43.31 | ivx | hey there use to be a faq about GPG error, does anyone know where that went? |
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| 08:44.11 | markybob | ivx you're talking about debian-multimedia.org's faq? |
| 08:44.26 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know th best card made by nvidia that used a basic pci slot, not the extended / 16x nothing like that, Just the old pci slots |
| 08:45.02 | ivx | markybob, no when i do apt-get update i get the error, Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 08:45.19 | Asdfgsggh | ait-driver-install write Generating package: debin/etch then package build failed! what to do? |
| 08:45.37 | markybob | ivx apt-get install gpgv ...do you have that? |
| 08:46.12 | ivx | markybob, yes |
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| 08:46.24 | Madkiss | hi. |
| 08:46.26 | Tallu | Hmm. Do I dare download a stable kernel released on friday the 13th? Uh oh. |
| 08:46.28 | markybob | ivx: paste the entire thing in pastebin |
| 08:46.30 | Asdfgsggh | one more thing i need comman dh_testdir, where is it? |
| 08:46.42 | DavidProck1981 | Asdfgsggh r u tring to get an ati card working |
| 08:46.47 | markybob | Asdfgsggh: learn to use apt-cache search |
| 08:46.50 | Madkiss | is there some tool that will allow me to remove a certain string from the titles of mp3s ide-signatures? |
| 08:46.59 | markybob | Asdfgsggh: or apt-file search. or /msg dpkg find foo |
| 08:47.14 | Asdfgsggh | markybob: it didn't return anything |
| 08:47.21 | alleyoopster | Tallu: its Saturday here |
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| 08:47.34 | pythonic | its wednesday here |
| 08:47.45 | ivx | markybob, it is on a seperate computer that doesn't have x, it just says: W: GPG error: (the url): Unknow error executing gpgv |
| 08:48.35 | Asdfgsggh | i need command dh_testdir, so where is it? |
| 08:48.36 | ivx | markybob, should i switch to a different mirror perhaps? |
| 08:48.39 | Gambaroni | When I use netboot to install and would create partitions, the hdd isn't found, what could be wrong? |
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| 08:49.03 | ivx | gambaroni, does it say something like no partitionable media found? |
| 08:49.30 | Asdfgsggh | zs |
| 08:49.31 | Asdfgsggh | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.31 | Asdfgsggh | h\ncgh |
| 08:49.31 | Asdfgsggh | uwth |
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| 08:49.56 | markybob | Asdfgsggh: /msg dpkg find dh_testdir |
| 08:51.04 | Gambaroni | ivx when i try to create a partition it says, no root file system found |
| 08:52.01 | ivx | gambaroni, what kind of drive is it? SATA? |
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| 08:52.07 | Gambaroni | ide |
| 08:52.13 | Gambaroni | ivx win xp is installed |
| 08:53.02 | ivx | gambaroni, hmm well I never really play with dual boot or anything, so i wouldn't know how to help you |
| 08:53.24 | Gambaroni | ivx it isn't dual boot :O? |
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| 08:53.41 | ivx | gambaroni, are you trying to do dual boot or remove windows and just run debian? |
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| 08:54.00 | Gambaroni | remove windows and using ubuntu or debian |
| 08:54.21 | ivx | gambaroni, what version of debian did you get? etch? |
| 08:54.40 | Gambaroni | ivx now i test with ubuntus netboot |
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| 08:55.24 | ivx | grramaroni, ubuntus? do you mean ubuntu? i'm not sure though because so many people make spin offs |
| 08:55.32 | Gambaroni | yes |
| 08:55.53 | ivx | gamaroni, well you should go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 08:56.14 | ivx | but even the live cd won't work? |
| 08:56.45 | Gambaroni | ivx i tried with debians cd and that could find the partitions |
| 08:56.57 | alleyoopster | Gambaroni: you normally get thr no root file system found if you forget to assign / to your chosen partition on install, is this the problem maybe? |
| 08:57.29 | ivx | gambaroni, why don't you let it make the partitions for you? |
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| 08:58.23 | busfahrer | Excuse me, if I choose the 'expert' installation option, is there a seperate step 'install bootloader', that I can choose to omit if my needs require it? |
| 08:58.33 | Gambaroni | ivx you mean guided partitions? |
| 08:58.43 | Gambaroni | alleyoopster it is just windows isntalled.. |
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| 08:59.07 | ivx | gambaroni, yes if you are only going to have debian it will make the swap and main for you, super easy |
| 08:59.37 | alleyoopster | busfahrer: I am pretty sure there is, you have a list of installation stages |
| 09:00.27 | DavidProck1981 | hay when u use the rm command is there a way to get it back with EXT3 |
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| 09:00.37 | markybob | damn i'm tripping. dont watch mythbusters when you've just taken an ambien. fyi |
| 09:01.01 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: I thought it was gone for good |
| 09:01.07 | busfahrer | alleyoopster: cheers. |
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| 09:01.15 | pythonic | markybob: what myths today? |
| 09:01.19 | DavidProck1981 | i need to un do this or recreat it rm /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko |
| 09:01.31 | markybob | pythonic: putting out fire with sound and hypnotic myths |
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| 09:01.47 | DavidProck1981 | or recreate the file |
| 09:02.06 | Gambaroni | ivx i wanna use the netboot installer |
| 09:02.46 | pythonic | markybob: earlier today mythbusters did "lightning rod" tongue piercings |
| 09:02.52 | ivx | gambaroni, okay, so just try it with the guided partition |
| 09:03.07 | DavidProck1981 | well hell, what is the command to remove a dir that has files with subdirs and files |
| 09:03.10 | Gambaroni | ivx that doesn't work either |
| 09:03.23 | yang | which are the http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing sources for lenny ? |
| 09:03.25 | ivx | gambaroni, you got 2 computers |
| 09:03.34 | Gambaroni | ivx more =) |
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| 09:03.41 | markybob | pythonic: it just looks all messed up to me right now from the ambien. i need to go pass out |
| 09:04.04 | ivx | gambaroni okay well that will help, so is it still telling you the same thing? |
| 09:04.25 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: this is your ATI module, maybe reinstalling the package. To remove all check out the -R option with care. "man rm" |
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| 09:05.15 | Gambaroni | ivx the other computer? |
| 09:05.24 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: fglrx-driver and source is fglrx-kernel-src |
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| 09:05.34 | ivx | gambaroni, the one you are trying to install on |
| 09:05.58 | Gambaroni | ivx using guided partitioning? nope, it just goes back to the meny |
| 09:06.00 | Gambaroni | menu* |
| 09:06.17 | ivx | gambaroni, you got the netist cd right? |
| 09:06.18 | DavidProck1981 | errr i just need to start over but it wont let me |
| 09:06.40 | Gambaroni | ivx yes, but i'm using netboot via PXE |
| 09:07.24 | ivx | gambaroni, i never did like that, why not just pick a mirror to install from? |
| 09:07.58 | Gambaroni | ivx ok.. no cd-rom drive |
| 09:08.25 | exhuma | scx: After reinstalling the packs. It seems to work. |
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| 09:08.36 | exhuma | scx: Thanks anyway for trying :) |
| 09:08.49 | scx | exhuma: the library or imap ? |
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| 09:09.07 | ivx | gamaroni, yeah i don't know then, i never had that issue, maybe see if someone else knows? |
| 09:09.23 | ivx | gamaroni, i have a cdrom so i just always install like that |
| 09:10.02 | DavidProck1981 | OK..... FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/misc/fglrx.ko': No such file or directory |
| 09:10.21 | DavidProck1981 | how can i get that back |
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| 09:11.29 | ivx | how can i paste into putty? i tried right click, nothing, nor ctrl+v |
| 09:12.06 | Gambaroni | ivx it would be right click!, ty anyway |
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| 09:12.41 | ivx | gambaroni what? |
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| 09:13.38 | Gambaroni | Using dhcp3 server, how do I delete all leases? |
| 09:13.44 | Arnomane | hil folks are there any debian package maintainers around here (especially people packing KDE software)? |
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| 09:15.08 | rahul | lavatory love machine |
| 09:15.12 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: This may help http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary?highlight=%28ati%29, or did you try removing and reinstalling the fglrx-driver package |
| 09:15.24 | famir | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.41 | DavidProck1981 | tring to removing and reinstalling , but cant |
| 09:16.03 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: this is the Debian one the other was ATI http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fglrx-driver.html |
| 09:16.10 | DavidProck1981 | brb let me read that sight |
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| 09:18.23 | DavidProck1981 | FUCK, i got a fealing i can restart of im doomed |
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| 09:18.56 | pythonic | it feels good to be doomed |
| 09:19.14 | DavidProck1981 | fu |
| 09:19.16 | zoidy | how do I kill a proccess that matches a specific name? |
| 09:19.41 | liable | pkill foo |
| 09:19.44 | DavidProck1981 | zoidy man pkill |
| 09:19.45 | pythonic | well, fuck you very much |
| 09:20.01 | Legality | lol |
| 09:20.02 | exhuma | scx: both |
| 09:20.03 | Legality | anger |
| 09:20.04 | DavidProck1981 | your welcome, just kidding |
| 09:20.07 | zoidy | thanks |
| 09:20.54 | exhuma | scx: both |
| 09:21.30 | scx | exhuma: thanks, maybe the wrong version? |
| 09:21.40 | scx | exhuma: good it works anyways |
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| 09:22.32 | exhuma | scx: dunno about the verision it looks as if it was the same. I have no clue what went wrong. |
| 09:23.13 | exhuma | scx: although it pulled in libpgsql2 as dependancy. Usually it should use libpq4 I think, but it may have been the culprit. |
| 09:23.23 | DavidProck1981 | zoidy have u ever ran top |
| 09:23.34 | famir | how can i get a list of all the packages that are installed |
| 09:23.57 | zoidy | DavidProck1981: yes, however this is for an automated script so I don't want to parse the proc id |
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| 09:24.27 | scx | exhuma: I bet for it |
| 09:25.04 | DavidProck1981 | zoidy did the pkill help |
| 09:25.12 | Kenman | I would like to start a vncserver session whenever I login via SSH (I already have VNC installed and working), where should I do this? |
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| 09:25.19 | exhuma | scx: Strange that it did not pull it in when I installed it initally. |
| 09:25.37 | zoidy | DavidProck1981: yes it did, thanks |
| 09:25.42 | DavidProck1981 | u welcome |
| 09:26.23 | scx | exhuma: you used apt and sarge ? |
| 09:26.57 | DavidProck1981 | i wish i was good enough to be able to answer any one's questions |
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| 09:27.44 | DavidProck1981 | i can barly / if not at all LOL answer my own |
| 09:28.00 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: I am curious, what happened when you tried to uninstall the package? |
| 09:28.15 | DavidProck1981 | oh still getting to that brb |
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| 09:30.02 | exhuma | scx: yes |
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| 09:32.26 | Grazvydas | http://GrazvydasT.blogspot.com - Click on advertisement! Please! |
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| 09:33.33 | exhuma | scx: do you have any other experience using courier-imap with a DB backend? Now that it works I am running into another trivial - I think - problem. |
| 09:34.02 | ivx | hey when i do quota check it says: quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.group was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... what does this mean |
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| 09:35.30 | exhuma | scx: nevermind. I reorganized my SQL query so it works anyhow. |
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| 09:37.47 | busfahrer | Excuse me, does the default Etch kernel support LVM2? |
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| 09:38.28 | scx | exhuma: I use Cyrrus |
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| 09:39.00 | DavidProck1981 | ok i think i fixed it, time to load it |
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| 09:39.28 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 09:39.29 | dpkg | <peterS> I don't know if I need anything with a name like 'shortening' touching that area |
| 09:39.43 | hark | busfahrer: yes |
| 09:39.45 | alleyoopster | busfahrer: release notes imply yes : http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
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| 09:40.26 | busfahrer | Lets say I want to dual-boot with another distro that has my data in an LVM VG. How would I access that data under Debian? |
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| 09:41.49 | ThePlumber | if an application messes up my console prompt, what is the best way to get it back to normal? |
| 09:42.09 | busfahrer | ThePlumber: try the 'reset' command |
| 09:42.25 | ThePlumber | running lsdoom and when I exit the prompt yeah! |
| 09:42.34 | ThePlumber | busfahrer: worked like a charm... |
| 09:42.55 | ThePlumber | thamnks man! |
| 09:43.16 | scx | mmm... how can I search in the factiods ? |
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| 09:43.34 | scx | I want info about let's say... kde |
| 09:43.48 | dutchfish | !kde |
| 09:43.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 09:44.42 | scx | no, I want to search in the factoids |
| 09:44.55 | scx | like !search kde |
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| 09:45.09 | krissarge | Hello. We built up an all debian LAN in a primary school using old pc configured as X terminals, using XDMCP (-indirect hostname). Since etch upgrade, it not possible anymore for XT to ping "cnxserv", which is defined as an alias in /etc/hosts of the server. Any idea |
| 09:45.32 | krissarge | ? |
| 09:46.13 | krissarge | (server has not been upgraded, still in sarge) |
| 09:46.15 | ThePlumber | krissarge: can you ping it by ip? |
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| 09:47.22 | dutchfish | krissarge, is dns working on your subnet? |
| 09:47.23 | krissarge | Name of my server is "fourmi", and I can ping it by IP and by name (ie "ping fourmi" is OK, "ping cnxserv" is not OK) |
| 09:48.17 | dutchfish | krissarge, setup dns properly i.e. must be an alias of fourmi |
| 09:48.53 | dutchfish | krissarge, correction: cname |
| 09:48.55 | krissarge | line in my server /etc/hosts is smthng like : "192.168.0.252 fourmi.taaa.skl fourmi logserv cnxserv fontserv dnserv ntpserv" |
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| 09:49.41 | krissarge | we use dnsmasq |
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| 09:51.02 | ThePlumber | krissarge: can "host" find cnxserv? |
| 09:51.12 | dutchfish | krissarge, is your dnsserver on this server running and wich one? |
| 09:51.22 | Gambaroni | ivx such luck =).. 2 days later release the bug was fixed :D |
| 09:52.16 | ivx | gambaroni, so what should i do? |
| 09:52.21 | ThePlumber | heh, took me 3 days to get lsdoom running (after compiling 2.6.20)...... musserv sucks |
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| 09:52.54 | krissarge | dutchfish, we run dnsmasq, it is running now (on fourmi). Does it answer your question? (I beg your pardon, not very easy with network) |
| 09:52.57 | ThePlumber | doom with a laser mouse is funny stuff |
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| 09:53.21 | ivx | gamaroni will it still work? |
| 09:53.31 | krissarge | dutchfish, I don't understand "correction: cname" |
| 09:53.49 | Gambaroni | ivx nothing, i just had to tell you, it works now =) |
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| 09:54.04 | dutchfish | krissarge, ok you have to tell dnsmasq some way to resolve cnxserv properly |
| 09:54.07 | ivx | gambaroni, so just ignore that error |
| 09:54.23 | Gambaroni | ivx huh, what error? :P |
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| 09:55.05 | ivx | gambaroni, quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.group was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... |
| 09:55.12 | Gambaroni | =/ |
| 09:55.14 | sleon | are there any package sources for the good old debian woody ? |
| 09:55.18 | krissarge | dutchfish, I'm surprised because dnsmasq is running on fourmi, which has not been upgraded, so why must I change smthing ? |
| 09:55.35 | dutchfish | krissarge, so it can handle client requests for cnxserv |
| 09:55.38 | Davido_ | hey, do you know if there exists a debian 4.0 multiarch (i386 / amd64) netinstall cd where I can select kde instead of gnome during the install? |
| 09:55.40 | ThePlumber | krissarge: what does 'host cnxserv' say? |
| 09:55.55 | krissarge | (and I can say that for some Xterm which have not been upgraded, everything is still OK) |
| 09:56.02 | dutchfish | krissarge, if i understand correctly fourmi is sarge and your lcients are etch? |
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| 09:57.40 | anapivirtua | Salut tout le monde / Hello all |
| 09:57.59 | ThePlumber | goodbye everybody |
| 09:58.01 | abchirk | k |
| 09:58.03 | abchirk | bye+ |
| 09:58.10 | pythonic | zut alors |
| 09:58.11 | Davido_ | how does multiarch work btw, does it have different binaries for all programs on the cd and can it detect the arch during boot or something? |
| 09:58.18 | xand | anapivirtua: not sure "all the world" are in here |
| 09:58.34 | pythonic | tout le monde c'est moi |
| 09:58.49 | krissarge | on both still sarge Xtem and onto etch Xtem I have : "cnxserv has address 192.168.0.252" as answer for "host cnxserv" |
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| 09:59.12 | krissarge | but onto etch Xtem I have : "ping: unknown host cnxserv" |
| 09:59.31 | dutchfish | krissarge, it could be related to dhcp3 client in Etch, it acts diferently from previous versions |
| 09:59.39 | Arnomane | can I post to an open debian list without being subscribed to it? |
| 10:00.02 | krissarge | dutchfish, Yes, fourmi (server) is still sarge, and clients (X terminals) are etch for some, still sarge for some. |
| 10:00.03 | NefariousPrior | ³ |
| 10:00.09 | Arnomane | I did so but the message does not appear in the message archive and i also didn't get a "please subscribe" in return |
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| 10:00.52 | dutchfish | krissarge, is fourmi also your default gateway? |
| 10:01.01 | krissarge | dutchfish, but...all my Xteminals receive their IP from fourmi, so dhcp is OK, isn't it ? |
| 10:01.13 | dutchfish | krissarge, partly yes |
| 10:01.16 | krissarge | yes, fourmi is the gateway |
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| 10:02.00 | dutchfish | krissarge, what is in /etc/resolv.conf on your etch clients? |
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| 10:04.11 | krissarge | resolv.conf of an etch client : "search taaa.skl |
| 10:04.14 | krissarge | nameserver 192.168.0.252" |
| 10:04.20 | dutchfish | krissarge, it should at least have a search domain, nameserver and domainname in it |
| 10:05.22 | dutchfish | krissarge, domainname taaa.skl is in it? |
| 10:05.41 | krissarge | But... it was unuseful with sarge clients. |
| 10:06.18 | dutchfish | krissarge, could you try this line too add? |
| 10:06.46 | krissarge | which line ? |
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| 10:07.00 | dutchfish | krissarge, domain taaa.skl |
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| 10:07.37 | krissarge | OK, I try |
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| 10:09.58 | teclo- | I'm getting "Error for wireless request: "Set Frequency" (8B04): SET failed on device wlan0: Device or resource busy |
| 10:10.12 | teclo- | with my wireless connection |
| 10:10.29 | teclo- | I've set it up correctly I think - and it works on the very same client machine under another OS ... |
| 10:10.35 | teclo- | with the WEP key and everything |
| 10:10.39 | teclo- | any idea ? |
| 10:11.14 | xand | ROAR |
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| 10:12.18 | hark | !roar |
| 10:12.18 | dpkg | i guess roar is my mating call |
| 10:12.19 | krissarge | I inserted the line "domain taaa.skl" at the beginning of /etc/hosts of my etch client and I still have "ping: unknown host cnxserv", but must reset smthg before test ? |
| 10:12.53 | DavidProck1981 | ok i have a majok fucking issue with my LCD flat pannell monitor or debian one NEED HELP |
| 10:13.07 | dutchfish | krissarge, just /etc/init.d/networking restart on your etch client |
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| 10:14.06 | DavidProck1981 | i can see the bios messages, and only a few seconds of the loading process of debian.................. |
| 10:14.47 | dutchfish | DavidProck1981, mm.. hard to judge |
| 10:14.56 | DavidProck1981 | and after that ofgr the longest time my LCD display is telling me to set the sesoulation to 1680x1050 |
| 10:15.11 | DavidProck1981 | intill i see the login screen |
| 10:15.58 | DavidProck1981 | that means i cant see what im doing to run "modprobe -v fglrx'' |
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| 10:16.24 | krissarge | still "ping: unknown host cnxserv". When restart, I get : "/etc/network/options is deprecated" ; what is it ? |
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| 10:16.58 | dutchfish | krissarge, did you upgrade to etch or is this a fresh install? |
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| 10:17.22 | DavidProck1981 | brb, im probly going to have a crash thow |
| 10:17.26 | HyperDevi | i have a software raid 5 via MDADM, can i use smartctl without damage (i just want to know the temp of the discs).. |
| 10:17.47 | krissarge | this one is an upgrade, but if you wnat, I can also test with an install etch from scratch. |
| 10:18.19 | xand | HyperDevi: I should think so |
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| 10:18.45 | HyperDevi | xand: i need to know for sure, my raid 5 is 13 1TB disks :P |
| 10:18.45 | dutchfish | krissarge, networking is diff in etch then sarge, /etc/network/options is indeed depricated those lines are split to /etc/network/interfaces & /etc/resolv.conf and otjers |
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| 10:19.28 | dutchfish | krissarge, i would advoce you do try out with a fresh install or delve into etch networking setup |
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| 10:19.48 | dutchfish | krissarge, it shouldnt be that hard |
| 10:20.25 | dutchfish | krissarge, you are sure that you updated correctly? is is mentioned on debian.org? |
| 10:20.39 | krissarge | I am just trying with an install from scratch: |
| 10:20.50 | teclo | heh we're gonna smoke peyote :P |
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| 10:20.56 | dutchfish | krissarge, ok |
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| 10:21.14 | krissarge | when restarting I get as first line : "Reconfiguring network interfaces...There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 2269" |
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| 10:21.36 | pythonic | psychedelics! |
| 10:21.49 | dutchfish | krissarge, oops, that means there are leftovers from a past crash |
| 10:21.53 | krissarge | then several lines, last line is : "DHCPRELEASE on eth0 to 192.168.0.252 port 67" and I do not get the prompt back (blocked) |
| 10:22.44 | zu22 | alsa-one-liner isn't working in the dpkg bot what is correct factoid name? |
| 10:22.51 | zu22 | i also tried alsaone-liner |
| 10:23.13 | zu22 | ah nevermind it was typo in the information |
| 10:23.16 | dutchfish | krissarge, inspect your /etc/apt/sources.list carefully so everyhting is pointing to etch(stable) and run aptitude --dist-upgrade after aptitude update, first |
| 10:23.17 | zu22 | workking now |
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| 10:24.02 | rourke | hi everybody |
| 10:24.05 | dutchfish | krissarge, it looks like etch is not proeprly installed |
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| 10:24.25 | mmmmmmmmm | hi |
| 10:24.35 | mmmmmmmmm | is there a java development kit in Etch? |
| 10:24.45 | mmmmmmmmm | or do i have to download this from Sun? |
| 10:24.46 | dutchfish | mmmmmmmmm, yes |
| 10:24.55 | mmmmmmmmm | what is the name of the package? |
| 10:25.03 | Tallu | mmmmmmmmm: apt-cache search jdk |
| 10:25.32 | dutchfish | mmmmmmmmm, what about sun-java5-jre |
| 10:25.34 | Tallu | i think it's sun-java6-jdk, dont remember though |
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| 10:25.37 | rourke | i have update-rc.d a script : /etc/rc2.d/S80runzope problem=script is executed with root privilege and not user Any idea to resolve this ? |
| 10:25.37 | h3sp4wn | !install java |
| 10:25.37 | dpkg | install java is probably First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 10:25.52 | Tallu | dutchfish: that's not the jdk though.. |
| 10:26.07 | mmmmmmmmm | yeah |
| 10:26.12 | mmmmmmmmm | i already have a runtime |
| 10:26.14 | zu22 | blackbox has a jdk package |
| 10:26.18 | dutchfish | Tallu, if he need JDK , yes sun-java5-jdk |
| 10:26.20 | zu22 | go there |
| 10:26.32 | Tallu | or sun-java6-jdk depending on what he needs, 6 is newer of course |
| 10:26.37 | zu22 | sun is not open source or did they finally open source java? |
| 10:26.42 | zu22 | ibm has a java too |
| 10:26.44 | Tallu | zu22: they did |
| 10:26.45 | mmmmmmmmm | i want to deploy tomcat |
| 10:26.54 | zu22 | Tallu: wow cool, i missed the news heh |
| 10:26.59 | dutchfish | sun-java5-jdk is a wrapper i beleive |
| 10:27.19 | dutchfish | my error its non-free |
| 10:27.30 | zu22 | they probably only did it to counter Microsoft's J# and C# efforts but at least they did it :) |
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| 10:28.01 | h3sp4wn | They did it as almost as soon as the novell microsoft deal was announced |
| 10:28.08 | krissarge | using word "stable" is now totally equivalent to using word "etch" in source.list, OK ? |
| 10:28.19 | dutchfish | krissarge, yup |
| 10:28.22 | zu22 | h3sp4wn: damn novell can go to hell hey that rhymes :) |
| 10:28.25 | Tallu | zu22: http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/ |
| 10:28.30 | zu22 | Tallu: thx |
| 10:29.14 | zu22 | unstable is always sid, when testing is released it's code name reverts to stable and testing release gets a new code name |
| 10:29.17 | zu22 | so just rmeember that :) |
| 10:29.18 | teclo | Hm, where can I find a fully description of all the "stanzas" for wireless interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces ? man interfaces does not help me ... |
| 10:29.34 | Tallu | zu22: no problem. i personally love java becoming open source as i'm doing some java development myself. :) |
| 10:29.51 | mmmmmmmmm | ok thx guys |
| 10:29.54 | mmmmmmmmm | got it setup now |
| 10:30.04 | mmmmmmmmm | seems like tomcat 5.5 needs java 5 |
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| 10:30.15 | zu22 | Tallu: cool i never learned java, maybe someday, i am too busy with C |
| 10:30.16 | Tallu | mmmmmmmmm: nah, you need to set JAVA_HOME to path |
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| 10:30.48 | h3sp4wn | teclo: either /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz or man wireless |
| 10:30.58 | zu22 | heh |
| 10:30.59 | mmmmmmmmm | true :) |
| 10:31.16 | Tallu | zu22: syntax is very easy, sometimes it feels it's even 'too' sugary, i mean it can be slow to write but atleast anyone can read the code. for me, c has its uses and java has its own :) |
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| 10:31.18 | mmmmmmmmm | but it has its uses |
| 10:31.25 | krissarge | impossible to reconnect to the etch from scratch client. On to an upgraded to etch one, source.list is OK, update OK, dist-upgrade OK. |
| 10:31.40 | depi | yo |
| 10:31.40 | teclo | h3sp4wn: thank you but I don't use wpasupplicant, I'm using WEP |
| 10:31.45 | zu22 | Tallu: yeah in java all those libraries u need to keep track of too |
| 10:31.54 | Tallu | java is great for web development for one, but well, this is getting off topic :) |
| 10:32.17 | dutchfish | krissarge, studie dmesg as next task, are there any erros related to networking? |
| 10:32.24 | pythonic | java for web dev?!? |
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| 10:32.36 | mmmmmmmmm | it depends on the people :) |
| 10:32.40 | zu22 | lol python vs java the web fight round 1 beginning |
| 10:32.48 | mmmmmmmmm | some prefer PHP, some Python, some ASP.net :) |
| 10:32.49 | pythonic | ruby ftw! |
| 10:32.57 | zu22 | ruby rails haha |
| 10:32.57 | Davo_Dinkum | Are the floppy disk boot images on the business card ISO? |
| 10:33.09 | Tallu | nah, i'm not goint to go into a fight over it, it's pointless and it's not really related to the debian project either |
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| 10:33.13 | h3sp4wn | teclo: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 10:34.07 | teclo | h3sp4wn: thank you |
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| 10:34.41 | DavidProck1981 | hum, with thed driver i can see fog now, but still no textures on the sides of walls But now on one map that i did not normally have low FPS in, Well now i do |
| 10:34.57 | teclo | h3sp4wn: there is something "weird": in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian they talk about wireless-essid but in the configuration file it's wireless_essid |
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| 10:35.18 | Davo_Dinkum | Is the sbm.bin file the need to install a base debian system from floppies? |
| 10:35.25 | pythonic | php sucks |
| 10:35.34 | h3sp4wn | teclo: I think you can use either |
| 10:35.36 | mmmmmmmmm | dutchfish: why do you think that? what's less safe about php |
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| 10:35.59 | h3sp4wn | teclo: I have always used - |
| 10:36.00 | pythonic | mmmmmmmmm: php has many features for writing insecure apps |
| 10:36.06 | mmmmmmmmm | that's true |
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| 10:36.27 | mmmmmmmmm | but can't you write insecure code with each prog language |
| 10:36.34 | dutchfish | dutchfish, if coded correctly nothing, but i have countless scripts from developers that are so crappy related to security, in ruby this is much easier to obtain. |
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| 10:37.34 | zmyrgel | What is the recommended way to install nvidia drivers to debian which work with Beryl? |
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| 10:37.35 | krissarge | I far as I can see, everything is OK in dmesg ; nothing strange, even relatd to network (eth0 correctly detected) |
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| 10:38.03 | famir | i have installed the last debian now i need to get the source file how can i do it ? |
| 10:38.05 | dutchfish | dutchfish, php has a long history of security flaws, it was developed as an easy hack-around to fast make scripting possible, no more no less |
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| 10:39.28 | krissarge | maybe this ? "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" |
| 10:39.33 | dutchfish | krissarge, i am out of suggestions atm, to reslove this i would delve into the DHCP part setup of etch and how to set up DNS resolving |
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| 10:40.13 | dutchfish | krissarge, np with that it means there are no IPV6 routers in your net (normal warning) |
| 10:40.34 | teclo | what would be the most efficient to copy aroung 60 GB of data between two machines on 100Mbit Ethernet ? scp ? rsync ? I need something that works recursovemy///// |
| 10:40.46 | mmmmmmmmm | dutchfish: true, but on the language side or deployment side, i don't see any security flaws at the moment. with its huge installed base problems would come up quickly and get solved really fast. The weakest component is of course the script itself. |
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| 10:41.46 | dutchfish | mmmmmmmmm, of coarse, its not the tool itself, but the freedom in PhP let coders make lots of security flaws undetected |
| 10:41.55 | krissarge | dutchfish OK, I thank you a lot. If you read French, have a look at my (little) non profit association website gullpastel.eu, and if once you come to Toulouse, I always have a fresh beer for you. |
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| 10:42.27 | dutchfish | krissarge, actually i will be in Tolouse soon nearby, really |
| 10:42.41 | Davo_Dinkum | Guys, floppy boot image? |
| 10:42.43 | dutchfish | krissarge, for hollidays |
| 10:42.47 | Davo_Dinkum | *images? |
| 10:43.49 | Kevin`_ | I have a grub boot image you can use, but it's not too hard a thing to find |
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| 10:44.22 | Kevin`_ | (tell me if you want it) |
| 10:44.26 | krissarge | dutchfish, OK, you know now how to contact me. Don't hesitate to do |
| 10:44.26 | famir_ | who do i switch windows with in the irssi ? |
| 10:44.35 | dutchfish | krissarge, good luck! |
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| 10:44.52 | Davo_Dinkum | Kevin`_: Are the floppy disk images on the business card CD? |
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| 10:45.02 | Kevin`_ | Davo_Dinkum i'm not sure. |
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| 10:45.14 | alleyoopster | famir_ they are numbered |
| 10:45.19 | DawnLight | hello |
| 10:45.28 | Davo_Dinkum | Or any of the debian CDs? |
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| 10:46.26 | Davo_Dinkum | Kevin`_: Can this grub boot image boot from a floppy disk? |
| 10:46.56 | Kevin`_ | Davo_Dinkum that's the point, it's just grub on a floppy disk, for booting a system or insalling grub |
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| 10:47.23 | Kevin`_ | if your looking to install debian, there are floppy images for this purpose on the mirrors |
| 10:47.23 | Davo_Dinkum | Kevin`_: Just one floppy disk? |
| 10:47.28 | Kevin`_ | yes, one disk.. |
| 10:47.32 | Davo_Dinkum | Ah OK |
| 10:47.36 | Davo_Dinkum | Thanks |
| 10:48.40 | Kevin`_ | http://kwzs.be/grub.img if you want - the "linux" version that's also on this floppy was for a specific purpose of mine, and is made to netboot from a 3com card using nfs. you can ignore it if you want, or delete it |
| 10:49.02 | lord_rob | Hi ! I own an IBM thinkpad R52 with a pentium M 1.86 GHz and I am using debian Sid. What's the best power saving daemon for this config ? |
| 10:49.03 | DawnLight | i have here windows in one partition and i've resized that to make room for debian. i have the latest netinst testing cd. i have a wireless nic here, which debian doesn't reckognize. i've been told to use ndis wrapper. can anyone help me with that? i have no experience with compiling. |
| 10:49.32 | DawnLight | i also have a knoppix live cd |
| 10:49.43 | Kevin`_ | DawnLight do you know what chipset the nic is? |
| 10:50.04 | DawnLight | i can physically check, Kevin`_ |
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| 10:50.33 | Kevin`_ | DawnLight you really should either do the netinstall with a wired nic (or easily supported wireless), or install using the full package cds (one or two only needed) |
| 10:50.49 | Kevin`_ | installing using a custom cd with a custom network driver just to do the netinstall would not be worth your time |
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| 10:51.04 | Kevin`_ | unless you have 50 or so pcs to install.. wirelessly.. |
| 10:51.13 | Kevin`_ | with unsupported nics.. |
| 10:51.25 | Kevin`_ | check please if you can, the information would be useful |
| 10:51.37 | Davo_Dinkum | Kevin`_: Actually I'm trying to install gNewSense on a machine that has no CD drive, but I can boot from a floppy disk, So I'll put a base debian install on there, and then change the sources.list file to the gNewSense one, and apt-get upgrade to debian |
| 10:52.00 | DawnLight | okay, Kevin`_ will be right back |
| 10:53.05 | Davo_Dinkum | *upgrade to gNewSense |
| 10:53.09 | Davo_Dinkum | Woops |
| 10:53.21 | Kevin`_ | Davo_Dinkum http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 10:53.53 | b_jonas | I will now start the upgrade procedure from sarge to etch |
| 10:54.17 | DawnLight | Kevin`_ does it help to know that winxp calls the wireless nic "802.11g/b Wireless LAN Client Adapter"? |
| 10:54.25 | Kevin`_ | DawnLight not at all :) |
| 10:54.28 | DawnLight | :/ |
| 10:54.31 | b_jonas | if you see me disconnecting from irc, then I've probably gotten a power outage and the upgrade will be messed up |
| 10:54.41 | Kevin`_ | you should use a ups |
| 10:54.59 | busfahrer | Lets say I want to dual-boot with another distro that has my data in an LVM VG. How would I access that data under Debian? |
| 10:55.07 | b_jonas | I have made a backup just before the upgrade |
| 10:55.11 | b_jonas | and I have an older backup |
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| 10:55.22 | Kevin`_ | you should still use a ups :) |
| 10:55.26 | GNU\colossus | I'm looking for a prepackaged .deb of "VirtualBox OSE", the GPLv2-licensed branch of the application - does anyone know of an existing one? |
| 10:56.00 | Kevin`_ | update should of course do before upgrade |
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| 10:56.13 | Davo_Dinkum | Kevin`_: Yup |
| 10:56.18 | b_jonas | yes, I've already done that |
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| 10:56.34 | Davo_Dinkum | Kevin`_: So I need all 5 of these floppy images? http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 10:56.37 | LLcoolM | how long does debian support security updates for oldstable (sarge)? |
| 10:56.47 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads |
| 10:56.49 | b_jonas | but update can't do anything wrong |
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| 10:57.01 | b_jonas | I've done the sarge update first |
| 10:57.01 | stew | LLcoolM: 1 year, or until lenny releases |
| 10:57.05 | Kevin`_ | Davo_Dinkum you need boot and root, probably not floppy, might as well get both net driver disks though |
| 10:57.05 | b_jonas | and shut down every service |
| 10:57.07 | Kevin`_ | erm |
| 10:57.10 | Kevin`_ | probably not cd* |
| 10:57.10 | GNU\colossus | dutchfish: those .deb-packages are not distributed under the terms of the GPL |
| 10:57.58 | b_jonas | ok, the first error I've got |
| 10:58.08 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, then you are basically stucked or contact the author, apparently he dont want this? |
| 10:58.17 | b_jonas | it's trying to use passive or active ftp to get files, I don't know which, whichever is not working |
| 10:58.30 | GNU\colossus | dutchfish: well, there's a GPL-licensed tarball provided on the homepage |
| 10:58.38 | Kevin`_ | b_jonas are you on an internet ip directly with no nat? |
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| 10:58.45 | stew | b_jonas: is thre a reason you are using ftp instead of http? |
| 10:58.46 | GNU\colossus | though the build setup is rather... unusual |
| 10:58.52 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, not to hard to build a package out of that i suppose? |
| 10:58.56 | b_jonas | stew: no |
| 10:59.00 | b_jonas | I'll change to http |
| 10:59.05 | GNU\colossus | I don't want to go through all the pain building a debian package of it myself |
| 10:59.16 | GNU\colossus | not if that's an effort someone already has taken |
| 10:59.42 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, not that i am aware off, another suggeston, why not use XEN? |
| 10:59.59 | GNU\colossus | dutchfish: i want easy to use desktop virtualization |
| 11:00.04 | GNU\colossus | not sth. like xen |
| 11:00.15 | b_jonas | wait, |
| 11:00.18 | b_jonas | I am using http |
| 11:00.30 | b_jonas | according to my sources.list |
| 11:00.30 | LLcoolM | i have to compare large amount of files. does anyone know how i can match something like "only print stuff that has + or - at the beginning of a line between +++ and the next +++? |
| 11:00.53 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, i am on a plain virtual gnome desktop in XEN right now, it install's out of the box on etch (almost) |
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| 11:01.11 | b_jonas | then what was this bad header message? |
| 11:01.32 | dobby | is it possible to redirect rootmailsto anexternal mail account? |
| 11:01.46 | stew | b_jonas: put the command you were using and the actual message into a pastebin |
| 11:01.52 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: what does "between +++ and the next +++" mean exactly? |
| 11:01.56 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, it has the best performance [period] |
| 11:01.58 | GNU\colossus | dutchfish: well, I've got zero experience with Xen, and VirtualBox seems to be just the thing I need |
| 11:01.59 | b_jonas | and it does say http at loading as well |
| 11:02.00 | stew | dobby: yes, edit /etc/aliases, and run newaliases |
| 11:02.11 | stew | b_jonas: which mirror? |
| 11:02.16 | GNU\colossus | I don't care about performance that much ;) |
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| 11:02.19 | dobby | ok |
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| 11:02.36 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: You mean every such line that doesn't come before the first +++ or after the last? |
| 11:02.51 | \amethyst | s/Y/Do y/ |
| 11:02.55 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, i think (dont want to talk you into Xen) its the easiest way to get virtualisation and para-virtualisation done atm undr GNU debian |
| 11:03.07 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: thing is: i have done a diff between some large kernel trees. and i have done grep -v to exclude lines that didnt really change anything (like cvs comments in the file header) |
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| 11:03.39 | LLcoolM | now i have a large diff file indicating lots of files that only have some comments changed that are irrelevant for the sources. |
| 11:03.41 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, you should read falkos timme howto's, they are excellent for this |
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| 11:04.05 | LLcoolM | so i want to throw all stuff out, that doesnt have changes at all |
| 11:04.24 | b_jonas | wait, I'll search for it in the log file |
| 11:04.41 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: so exclude every chunk that doesn't contain a patched line? |
| 11:04.50 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, at proper hardware a basic xen setup with a working graphical desktop takes me about 45 minutes |
| 11:04.51 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: exactly |
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| 11:05.15 | dutchfish | GNU\colossus, thats is when i do a netinstall(40 minutes for downlaods) |
| 11:05.21 | LLcoolM | meaning: wherever is ^+++ look for the next +++ and if there is no ^+ or ^- in between then throw the stuff out |
| 11:05.30 | stew | sounds like a job for awk |
| 11:05.39 | LLcoolM | i could write a c program for that but i think it can be done easier |
| 11:05.49 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.12 | alleyoopster | please ignore, brain not connected to hand |
| 11:06.21 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: Do you want to throw out the --- line too? |
| 11:06.56 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: i want to throw the entire section out in case there is no ^+ or ^- |
| 11:07.01 | war | anyone here use a 16port 3ware card? I have been using mdadm raid with 7 raptor 150s and I get 420MB/s sequential read/write but I am going to go to 16 raptors and I wont have enough slots/ports for it , only 14, so I am kind of limited unless I get a real hardware raid card |
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| 11:07.59 | dutchfish | war, wich one? |
| 11:08.12 | war | dutchfish: the 9650-16ML |
| 11:08.26 | war | 9650SE-16ML |
| 11:08.29 | war | latest/newest one |
| 11:08.35 | dutchfish | war, you installed the 3ware tool? |
| 11:08.58 | war | dutchfish: I am not using a 3ware card currently. |
| 11:09.04 | war | I am asking if anyone is using that card. |
| 11:09.24 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:09.34 | dutchfish | war, i prefer to use 3ware raid, they are excellent |
| 11:09.43 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to setup a remote syslog facility on my debian? |
| 11:10.16 | war | dutchfish: I agree, but the I/O bottleneck of the processor becomes a problem when you use HW raid > with 12 drives because the chip cannot support it |
| 11:10.19 | dutchfish | war, the non-raid cards will do but suffer i performance |
| 11:10.24 | war | for a small raid5, 6-8 disks you're fine |
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| 11:10.40 | war | but > 12-16 disks, the cards cannot handle it sometimes |
| 11:10.45 | b_jonas | the logs are here: http://sial.org/pbot/24219 |
| 11:10.48 | dutchfish | war, with 12 drives you need at least 2 cards |
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| 11:10.58 | b_jonas | I was stupid and pressed control-c after I saw the errors |
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| 11:11.15 | war | dutchfish: so you don't recommend putting 16 drives on 1 3ware 16 port card? |
| 11:11.27 | dutchfish | war, nope its NOT done |
| 11:11.40 | war | hmm |
| 11:11.48 | b_jonas | but then I redid the aptitude upgrade and then update and there don't seem to be any errors now |
| 11:11.50 | war | currently I use SW Raid and love it, I get 420 megabytes per second |
| 11:11.50 | dutchfish | war, you save yourself a lot of trouble |
| 11:11.58 | war | I can go up to 14 drives like this |
| 11:12.00 | war | but not 16 |
| 11:12.12 | war | so I should be able to get 840MB/s |
| 11:12.15 | war | if I double my drives |
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| 11:12.27 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: i need something able to match regular expressions on a multiple line basis. |
| 11:12.33 | war | dutchfish: have you tested their latest controller? |
| 11:12.34 | stew | LLcoolM: awk |
| 11:12.36 | dutchfish | war, the price for 2 3ware raid cards is more cost efficient related to performance |
| 11:12.38 | b_jonas | it now gave a package config dialog |
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| 11:12.54 | dutchfish | war, not tested, but i am using them |
| 11:13.03 | LLcoolM | stew: ok, thx |
| 11:13.11 | war | dutchfish: I see |
| 11:13.20 | LLcoolM | stew: unfortunately that is awk-ward :) |
| 11:13.26 | war | dutchfish: how come you don't recommend 14 drives on 1 controller/raid5? |
| 11:13.41 | war | dutchfish: I am considering 14 raptor 150s [raid5] on 1 x8 controller |
| 11:13.44 | war | otherwise |
| 11:13.45 | dutchfish | war, no chipset atm will support those busspeeds |
| 11:13.47 | war | go SW raid |
| 11:13.57 | war | dutchfish: PCI-e x8 does 2 gigabytes/sec |
| 11:14.04 | war | PCI-e x16 4gigabytes/sec |
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| 11:14.13 | DawnLight | Kevin`_: there's a weird square piece of metal covering a part of the card. i did see some chips beneath it by lifting it up a bit. on it there's a sticker with "Dynamode 11g Wireless PCI Card". There's also a big chip that says has a big slanted M logo on it and some serial numbers |
| 11:14.31 | dutchfish | war, its in the word 'theoritically', i have tested it out, no way you gone get that for sure |
| 11:15.11 | war | dutchfish: I see. |
| 11:15.14 | dutchfish | war, the best i got on a quadbox is 1,2 Gbytes per sec |
| 11:15.25 | dutchfish | war, do your math |
| 11:15.29 | fireba11 | DawnLight : that "weird square piece of metal" is the shielding ^^ |
| 11:15.35 | hark | DawnLight: just use lspci? |
| 11:15.49 | DawnLight | AA? |
| 11:16.01 | war | dusty-sts: nice. |
| 11:16.04 | war | dutchfish: not bad |
| 11:16.08 | war | dutchfish: what kind of config? |
| 11:16.20 | dutchfish | war, standaard etch setup using XEN |
| 11:16.28 | war | I meant what kind of HW configuration |
| 11:16.30 | war | 2 raid controllers? |
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| 11:16.34 | DawnLight | lspci... i only have windows installed now. can i do lspci from the netinst? |
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| 11:16.43 | dutchfish | war, 2 raid cards raid 10 |
| 11:16.46 | war | nice |
| 11:16.52 | war | dutchfish: what kind of hdds and how many? |
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| 11:17.17 | fireba11 | dutchfish: just curious .. what kind of usage needs something like that? :-) |
| 11:17.22 | war | 3ware 9650SE-24M8 HDD Controllers / RAID Cards <- so you would never recommend a 24 port raid card? |
| 11:17.27 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: still here? |
| 11:17.31 | war | fireba11: I have a lot of raptors, why not? |
| 11:17.33 | dutchfish | war, i used no maxtor, seagate i prefered |
| 11:17.38 | war | ah |
| 11:17.43 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: yes, of course |
| 11:17.49 | dutchfish | fireba11, vhosting |
| 11:18.04 | DawnLight | hark: can i do lspci from netinst? |
| 11:18.11 | fireba11 | dutchfish: ah .. the serious kind of vhosting then :-) |
| 11:18.33 | dutchfish | fireba11, nah .. just for db purposes and specialities |
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| 11:18.56 | DawnLight | can i check the pci nic's chipset from windows? like lspci? |
| 11:19.05 | juice` | what can i do if i keep getting messages that Sources.bz2 has bad MD5 sum while doing apt-get update? |
| 11:19.15 | juice` | and it has good MD5 sum |
| 11:19.17 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: perl -e 'my @sect; my $changed=0; while(<>) { if(/^diff/) { print @sect if $changed; ($changed,@sect)=(0,$_); } else { push @sect, $_; /^\+[^+]/ and ++$changed } } print @sect if $changed;' original.diff > simplified.diff |
| 11:19.19 | hark | DawnLight: Device Manager probably |
| 11:19.22 | scx | could anybody reccomend me a 'trus-tfull' hosting service in Europe ? |
| 11:19.37 | \amethyst | probably could do something a little nicer using .. |
| 11:19.41 | fireba11 | scx define that |
| 11:19.48 | DawnLight | hark: what am i looking for? |
| 11:19.49 | hark | DawnLight: you can do a base install with the netinst (without internet access).. though lspci should be there |
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| 11:20.14 | scx | that: a group of sampoorNa scales, taxonomical scheme for Hindustani rAgas |
| 11:20.31 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: i think i can extend that to + and - lines myself, thx |
| 11:20.43 | \amethyst | oh, yeah, that was just + lines |
| 11:21.10 | hark | DawnLight: the chipset, card? just figured that you were trying to identify the card for a driver or something.. |
| 11:21.13 | fireba11 | scx what ? |
| 11:21.17 | hark | lspci helps there :) |
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| 11:21.32 | FlameBird | can anyone help me solve a Turbo Gear problem here? |
| 11:21.43 | scx | fireba11: :) |
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| 11:21.46 | loca|host | what's the best way converting TIFF to PNG without quality loosing |
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| 11:22.25 | DawnLight | hark: netinst doesn't set up my wireless nic automatically. someone suggested ndiswrapper. |
| 11:22.28 | fireba11 | loca|host: not much to it .. jsut make sure your options are set to save png lossless :-D |
| 11:22.38 | \amethyst | loca|host: does the tiff have an alpha channel? |
| 11:22.46 | loca|host | yes |
| 11:23.01 | hark | DawnLight: that's not unusual at all.. |
| 11:23.13 | angel_ | hi |
| 11:23.23 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: do the brackets () need to be escaped in perl regular expressions? |
| 11:23.24 | angel_ | is there a eay to recover the nickserver password? |
| 11:23.35 | dutchfish | war, also consider 2 raid cards for failover situations, you get me? |
| 11:23.36 | b_jonas | stew: if you wanted to see the error message, just search for 'Err' in that log I pasted |
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| 11:23.45 | fireba11 | angel_: you can have it mailed i recon |
| 11:23.49 | hark | DawnLight: many wireless cards are unsupported, they require firmware or kernel modules etc |
| 11:23.54 | angel_ | fireba11: ok |
| 11:23.54 | war | dutchfish: that is always a good idea as well, yup |
| 11:23.56 | angel_ | fireba11: thanks |
| 11:23.56 | fireba11 | loca|host: gimp ? :-) |
| 11:24.08 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: If you escape them they mean literal characters. Without escaping they capture |
| 11:24.20 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: like egrep, not grep |
| 11:24.27 | stew | b_jonas: try running "aptitude update" again, and see if it just works the next time |
| 11:24.30 | loca|host | fireba11, :) i need a way to convert in console mode |
| 11:24.40 | LLcoolM | ah ok, because i asked because i was used to grep |
| 11:24.40 | stew | b_jonas: oh wait, that log is longer than i thought |
| 11:24.41 | dutchfish | war, no more driving nightly highways to the datacentre all alone for me mom :) |
| 11:24.42 | hark | use convert |
| 11:24.57 | \amethyst | loca|host: tifftopnm -alphaout=alpha.pgm file.tiff > file.ppm; pnmtopng -alpha alpha.pgm file.ppm > file.png |
| 11:25.01 | b_jonas | anyway, b_jonas: yes, that's what I've done |
| 11:25.02 | angel_ | fireba11: please, do you know how? |
| 11:25.13 | b_jonas | I did aptitude update again, then |
| 11:25.17 | b_jonas | aptitude upgrade again |
| 11:25.20 | b_jonas | and now it worked |
| 11:25.21 | war | dutchfish: hehe ;) |
| 11:25.32 | fireba11 | angel_ : try /msg nickserv help |
| 11:25.41 | stew | b_jonas: wierd, you might just use a different mirror if this one gives you any other problems |
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| 11:25.45 | b_jonas | yes, it's long, it's a screenlog |
| 11:25.45 | loca|host | \amethyst, ok thanks man |
| 11:25.52 | stew | yay, someone has been reading the release notes! |
| 11:25.52 | angel_ | fireba11: there's no such a command for mailing password |
| 11:25.52 | b_jonas | but if you search for "Err" you should find it soon |
| 11:25.54 | \amethyst | loca|host: both from netpbm |
| 11:26.12 | DawnLight | so hark... i don't have experience with ndis and the instructions on the site were somewhat difficult for me to understand, since i don't have experience with compiling i guess. |
| 11:26.24 | fireba11 | stew no way .. who ? :-) |
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| 11:26.46 | b_jonas | well, I'm using this one because the local mirrors gave me problems |
| 11:27.03 | b_jonas | but the problematic packages seemed to be the GAP ones |
| 11:27.07 | b_jonas | so I'm not too worried |
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| 11:27.30 | b_jonas | nothing should depend on them, and I'm using a version I've installed from source anyway |
| 11:27.42 | b_jonas | and gap had installation problems already |
| 11:27.49 | \amethyst | whee, broken dependencies in sid! /me is happy again |
| 11:28.18 | b_jonas | ok, let me see the next step |
| 11:28.21 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: perl -e 'my @sect; my $changed=0; while(<>) { if(/^diff/) { print @sect if $changed; ($changed,@sect)=(0,$_); } else { push @sect, $_; /^(\+|\-)[^+-]/ and ++$changed } } print @sect if $changed;' original.diff > simplified.diff |
| 11:28.30 | LLcoolM | would that be ok for both + and -? |
| 11:28.58 | hark | DawnLight: moment.. gtg |
| 11:29.12 | LLcoolM | i am not sure how perl handles the [] if it were a set operator then it should be ok |
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| 11:29.25 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: /^[+-][^+-]/ works |
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| 11:29.33 | b_jonas | aptitude install libfam0 xlibmesa-glu |
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| 11:29.51 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: note that this will miss diffed lines that began with a - or + |
| 11:30.05 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.12 | stew | (iirc) |
| 11:30.19 | \amethyst | stew: nope, no spaces |
| 11:30.41 | LLcoolM | \amethyst: diffed lines always begin with a + or a - |
| 11:30.48 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:30.51 | LLcoolM | or what do you mean |
| 11:31.00 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: I mean, that originally began with a + or - |
| 11:31.02 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to setup a syslog server? |
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| 11:31.07 | LLcoolM | ah |
| 11:31.09 | LLcoolM | ok |
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| 11:31.24 | LLcoolM | as this is only kernel diff it should be fine |
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| 11:31.36 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi fellow debnonians. can anyone offer support on bootloader/config options that will fix my win2k partition. kinda need it for some things |
| 11:31.36 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: To fix that, you could ignore the two lines immediately after the diff line, and use ^[+-] |
| 11:32.04 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, is your mbr ok still? |
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| 11:33.26 | \amethyst | LLcoolM: So push @sect, $_; @sect > 3 and /^[+-]/ and ++$changed; |
| 11:33.41 | Dave_is_sexy | yes it's all fine. the problem is simple. i had 2k on partition 2 (primary, non-bootbale). it booted from an unused xp install on partition 1 (primary, bootable). installing lilo into the mbr and overwriting partition 1 with debian = no boot references for win2k |
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| 11:34.08 | abrotman | google "debian grub windows howto" |
| 11:34.18 | Dave_is_sexy | ..because they were on partition 1 in xp's boot.ini and other asociated fles |
| 11:34.19 | dutchfish | abrotman, for lilo? |
| 11:34.35 | stew | oh crap, i forgot this server is running horde |
| 11:34.39 | stew | abrotman: upgrade it for me |
| 11:34.42 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: yes, i've done all that. hence coming to irc for help |
| 11:35.03 | abrotman | stew: they have the groupware1.0 tarball now :) |
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| 11:35.14 | abrotman | dutchfish: s/grub/lilo :) |
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| 11:35.35 | dutchfish | abrotman, there i lost you ... |
| 11:35.45 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: which syslog server, and what problems are you having with setting it up? |
| 11:35.52 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: what have you done so far .. where's your lilo.conf ? |
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| 11:36.19 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: I need to redirect my modem firewall log to my pc |
| 11:37.26 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: so your modem supports syslogging to a remote host and you want to receive those messages on the PC? |
| 11:37.30 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: well i've undone it all with a disk back up (i anticipated problems). lilo was just sent to the mbr as reccomended. there was a /boot at the start of the disk, then / and /home, then /scratch |
| 11:37.54 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: yeah .. you have to tell lilo to boot windows |
| 11:37.58 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: what syslog program do you use? |
| 11:37.58 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: yes |
| 11:37.59 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: do you mean you don't have linux anymore ? |
| 11:38.02 | Dave_is_sexy | what i now want to do is change something so that when i do it agian, lilo will be able to boot 2000 |
| 11:38.04 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: syslong-ng |
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| 11:38.07 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: syslog-ng |
| 11:38.38 | b_jonas | ok, it's done |
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| 11:38.49 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: then uncomment the "# udp()" line in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf |
| 11:39.01 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: use the etch installer .. and use grub |
| 11:39.04 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: ok |
| 11:39.08 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: well, i will in another half hour. the problem is lilo can't boot windows because there is no boot information on the 2000 partition. it's on the xp partition which is gone (/was gone /will be gone again) |
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| 11:39.42 | \amethyst | Mazingaro: you can put it in a separate source if you want to filter them separately from the rest |
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| 11:39.44 | scx | lilo still around? |
| 11:39.52 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: ..and grub wont have the problem with there being no boot info for it to refer to? |
| 11:39.59 | abrotman_ | Dave_is_sexy: use the etch installer .. use grub |
| 11:40.08 | abrotman_ | Dave_is_sexy: no idea .. but grub is easier to fix than lilo :) |
| 11:40.14 | liable | scx: the freenode dude? |
| 11:40.22 | b_jonas | grub rocks, yes |
| 11:40.24 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: messages from modem will be marked with its name |
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| 11:40.28 | pmv | Dave_is_sexy: define boot info? |
| 11:40.39 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, abrotman can he just do apt-get install grub then run grub-install or grup-update? |
| 11:40.44 | b_jonas | and I used all of lilo, loadlin, and grub at some point |
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| 11:40.58 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: right, well in that case i will assume it will do exactly the same, since it has nothing to refer to.... |
| 11:41.00 | scx | could anybody reccomend me a 'safe' hosting service in Europe please |
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| 11:41.09 | scx | liable: ya |
| 11:41.17 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: good! is working :) |
| 11:41.27 | Mazingaro | 04/14/07 13:41:02192.168.254.250HOMELABsrc="192.168.254.2:2893" dst="87.97.40.56:6322" msg="Firewall default policy: UDP (L to W)" note="ACCESS FORWARD" devID="464E89" cat="Access Control" |
| 11:41.37 | \amethyst | cool |
| 11:41.38 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: HOMELAB is my modem |
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| 11:41.54 | b_jonas | ok, now it's time to do the time-consuming step |
| 11:41.57 | liable | scx: he died, got hit by a car. :( |
| 11:42.01 | b_jonas | aptitude dist-upgrade starting |
| 11:42.26 | xand | !broadcom |
| 11:42.27 | dpkg | broadcom is, like, a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see broadcom woody, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
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| 11:42.42 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: this modem is capable to redirect all trafic to a pc, using it as forewall |
| 11:42.47 | Mazingaro | firewall |
| 11:42.48 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: boot info: boot.ini, ntdetect, ntldr, config.sys.... they don't exist on the 2000 partition. No amout of telling me how good grub is will make me believe that it can boot windows without these files |
| 11:42.50 | stew | scx: lilo can still do things that grub cant |
| 11:42.59 | scx | liable: I know, it's sad that I talked with him a lot and never know who he was until he died |
| 11:43.02 | b_jonas | hmm no |
| 11:43.08 | b_jonas | I'll have to do a few extra things first |
| 11:43.11 | xand | !bcm43xx |
| 11:43.11 | dpkg | bcm43xx is probably the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
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| 11:43.13 | b_jonas | it wants to remove vim |
| 11:43.19 | fantomas1 | !2006 key |
| 11:43.20 | dpkg | 2006 key is probably apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:43.31 | b_jonas | I have to mark it manually installed or what |
| 11:43.32 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, what about booting xp or 2000 cd go to prompt and fdisk /fixmbr & others from win-con? |
| 11:43.34 | abrotman | that's outdated |
| 11:43.51 | xand | bah FAIL |
| 11:43.57 | xand | what's outdated? |
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| 11:44.05 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: cd's are 500 miles north, north west of here |
| 11:44.20 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, damn its not your lucky day |
| 11:44.32 | abrotman | xand: 2006 ? |
| 11:44.41 | xand | oh |
| 11:44.43 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: lol. when i ask for help on a problem it's always a worst case scenario |
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| 11:45.04 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, it wouldt if you had a backup from this XP partition |
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| 11:45.35 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: come again? i do have a backup |
| 11:45.53 | Dave_is_sexy | but i want that partition gone, and replaced with debian without breaking 2000 |
| 11:46.21 | abrotman | grubgrub |
| 11:46.26 | Dave_is_sexy | no no |
| 11:46.44 | b_jonas | aptitude unmarkauto vim |
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| 11:46.51 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: you don't actually know that that will work, you're just guessing, and the logical conclusion is that it will not |
| 11:46.56 | rlc | yo |
| 11:47.08 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: i know grub is far easier to fix .. instead of you freaking out and blowing the thing away |
| 11:47.10 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, mmm... restore that partition make the 2000 1 bootable from within XP and remove it again, and do your stuff (lot of work i admit) |
| 11:47.21 | abrotman | the logical conclusion is tha tit will work .. |
| 11:47.21 | DawnLight | testing netinst doesn't reckognize my wireless nic. lspci gave me "00:07.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [libertas] 80 2.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)" do i now use ndis wrapper? |
| 11:47.33 | abrotman | i haven't had a dual boot system not work since .. woody ? |
| 11:47.34 | b_jonas | and now aptitude dist-upgrade for real |
| 11:47.46 | lodder | Is there a way i can easly do a remote installation of debian on a system running opensuse because i prefer debian |
| 11:48.10 | angel | hi, installer does not detect my SATA h/d, any help pls. |
| 11:48.19 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: no it isn't. grub needs boot.ini and ntldr just like lilo does. you're out of your field |
| 11:48.29 | abrotman | lodder: /msg dpkg debtakeover .. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 11:48.29 | b_jonas | angel: are you using a new enough version? |
| 11:48.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, right |
| 11:48.41 | angel | yes. etch |
| 11:48.44 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: yes .. but grub is far far easier to fix |
| 11:48.53 | b_jonas | strange |
| 11:48.56 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: if you don't actually want help .. then why did you come here ? |
| 11:49.05 | b_jonas | I had that problem when I used sarge |
| 11:49.06 | xand | goddammit |
| 11:49.13 | b_jonas | but then it was easier to solve |
| 11:49.18 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: thanks, i've done that too. the problem was that even with 2000 set to bootable, there isn't the inforamtion on the partition for it to work. the boot files for 2000 are on the xp partition |
| 11:49.21 | b_jonas | because I already had sarge installed |
| 11:49.28 | xand | why doesn't debian add all search domains supplied by dhcp to resolv.conf? |
| 11:49.31 | b_jonas | and just change hardware |
| 11:49.32 | angel | i don't know what to do now. |
| 11:49.35 | rlc | ? |
| 11:50.26 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, almost right, there is a tool on sysinternals.com that will save your day for thise just READ there how to transfer boot to anothter ntfs partition ... that is what i meant for short |
| 11:50.47 | angel | i just downloaded it and installed in exper mode which i loaded piix, libata ... |
| 11:50.54 | angel | nothing help |
| 11:51.02 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: when looking for help; every answer you receive is not necessarily helpful. you're telling me to do something which will not help, just because you want me to install grub. unhelpful, irrelevant, annoying |
| 11:51.10 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: did you try booting win2k from a liveCD that uses grub ? |
| 11:51.21 | b_jonas | angel: what kernel is it using? |
| 11:51.34 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: awesome, that's exactly the info i've been looking for |
| 11:51.37 | abrotman | lilo is a damn pain in the ass .. prone to failure .. known to suck |
| 11:51.40 | angel | ummm...i don't know. the one that comes with Etch |
| 11:51.42 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, as far as i have seen abrotman i mostly bery acurate, believe me |
| 11:51.54 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: yes. kanotix |
| 11:51.55 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, as far as i have seen abrotman i mostly very* acurate, believe me |
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| 11:52.03 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: and you could not boot windows why? |
| 11:52.19 | b_jonas | have you loaded the scsi harddisk support module (if it's in a module)? |
| 11:52.19 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: i'm assuming you're trying the grub boot prompt .. not from within the OS |
| 11:52.23 | ||arifaX | xand: it does for me but I use package resolvconf doing it dynamically for me depending on my network location |
| 11:52.28 | b_jonas | because that's still needed for sata harddisks |
| 11:52.37 | Dave_is_sexy | because, essentially, without the system boot files, windows is just a group of files on a partition |
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| 11:53.17 | abrotman | all i had handy! |
| 11:53.22 | dutchfish | !abrotman |
| 11:53.22 | dpkg | well, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 11:53.45 | xand | ||arifaX: hmm thanks I shall try that |
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| 11:55.35 | DawnLight | i can use some help with this. testing netinst doesn't reckognize my wireless nic. lspci gave me "00:07.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [libertas] 80 2.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)" what are my options? |
| 11:55.38 | elwario91 | hello |
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| 11:55.58 | elwario91 | I would like to know something... If you install gnome with netinstall do you have a ready to use pc? |
| 11:56.03 | petemc | DawnLight: put the info from lspci into google |
| 11:56.05 | elwario91 | I mean internet, mail... |
| 11:56.16 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: that's the best site EVER! thanks! |
| 11:56.21 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, as a resumee, i think this need to be done from a booted rescue cd from within 2000, or use special tools to recover boot on your 2000 partition |
| 11:56.42 | angel | well...i have to wait for the enext vesion then. |
| 11:56.44 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, good luck |
| 11:56.58 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.23 | elwario91 | alleyoopster : lol but I mean are there a lot of pogs installed? |
| 11:57.27 | abrotman | i didn't get the error ... |
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| 11:57.36 | elwario91 | gedit, totem and tjing like that? |
| 11:58.01 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.05 | abrotman | elwario91: you get a lot of stuff |
| 11:58.06 | elwario91 | ok |
| 11:58.14 | elwario91 | how much mo is gnome? |
| 11:58.18 | abrotman | alleyoopster: he'd have evolution, epiphany |
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| 11:59.32 | elwario91 | I know I will compare to anther distro (Ubutnu) but do you have something like that? |
| 11:59.36 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: i actually can't find the tool you mentioned though |
| 11:59.43 | abrotman | elwario91: something like what ? |
| 11:59.50 | elwario91 | the progs installed |
| 11:59.52 | alleyoopster | abrotman: thought iceweasel was in default gnome now? |
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| 12:00.08 | elwario91 | I mean totem / firefox or epiphany don't care / office suite ... |
| 12:00.08 | abrotman | alleyoopster: eh .. maybe .. i can't keep track anyomre .. i don't really use it so don't really care :) |
| 12:00.10 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, just dig a bit deaper on disk recoverey or disaster survey |
| 12:00.21 | abrotman | elwario91: those are in debian |
| 12:00.35 | elwario91 | yes but I don't want to download each package... |
| 12:00.44 | abrotman | elwario91: aptitude install gnome |
| 12:00.44 | alleyoopster | abrotman: me neither, prefer openbox or xfce, but sure they were there |
| 12:00.48 | elwario91 | ok |
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| 12:00.55 | abrotman | alleyoopster: i meant i don't use IW .. i use gnome :) |
| 12:00.56 | elwario91 | can someone tell me how many it will download? |
| 12:01.00 | elwario91 | 50mo / 100 / 200?? |
| 12:01.06 | abrotman | elwario91: MB? |
| 12:01.10 | elwario91 | yes |
| 12:01.15 | abrotman | i think it's like 200-300MB or so |
| 12:01.17 | elwario91 | MegaOctets or MegaBytes :P |
| 12:01.35 | elwario91 | ow that's a lot :( |
| 12:01.43 | Ronin | elwario91: well gnome is pretty big |
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| 12:01.56 | abrotman | well .. the command i use is aptitude install gnome x-window-system gdm |
| 12:02.04 | abrotman | so .. it's probably overkill :) |
| 12:02.05 | elwario91 | and is gnome included in the first iso or is this a fake? |
| 12:02.25 | scx | it's a fake |
| 12:02.27 | abrotman | there's a portion ofgnome on the first CD |
| 12:02.28 | alleyoopster | elwario91: gnome is on the cd1 |
| 12:02.36 | elwario91 | whats true now? |
| 12:02.48 | scx | nothing is certain |
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| 12:02.53 | elwario91 | lol |
| 12:03.02 | elwario91 | alleyoopster : is it really on the first cd? |
| 12:03.09 | elwario91 | not dvd but the first cd (600mb) |
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| 12:03.38 | alleyoopster | elwario91: it was when I installed it, just install desktop env, maybe there are some extras after you can get. There is a cd1 for kde and xfce |
| 12:03.39 | v0od0o | hi room |
| 12:03.40 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: are you sure? i've read all utiliities in all sections. nothing says it can move boot files |
| 12:03.54 | elwario91 | don't understeand all :( |
| 12:04.02 | v0od0o | Is there a way to make a Software Raid1 on a installed system ? |
| 12:04.25 | alleyoopster | !install gnome |
| 12:04.26 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 12:04.29 | elwario91 | If I install the first cd do I have a desktop? |
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| 12:04.42 | alleyoopster | elwario91: yep |
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| 12:04.51 | elwario91 | sure? :) |
| 12:04.54 | alleyoopster | this is the full cd1 |
| 12:05.00 | alleyoopster | not the netinstall |
| 12:05.18 | elwario91 | yes :) |
| 12:05.18 | elwario91 | the first cd of 600 mb ? |
| 12:05.29 | alleyoopster | elwario91: sure you will get gnome and if you want more goodies you can install them after |
| 12:05.41 | elwario91 | ok thanbks will dopwnload it this night :) |
| 12:05.42 | alleyoopster | see the msg from bot (dpkg above |
| 12:05.42 | yang | is the "upgrade-reports" package the right package to monitor issues done by sarge->etch upgrade? |
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| 12:05.57 | abrotman | elwario91: you can check the jidgo template to see what's on CD1 |
| 12:06.07 | tenco | got a problem with 8139too, transmit timeout. anything i can do about this instead of turning acpi/apic off and waiting for the next kernel release? |
| 12:06.10 | elwario91 | is it gnome 16 or 18? and can you have it on unstable? (18) |
| 12:06.11 | elwario91 | ok |
| 12:06.17 | alleyoopster | 16 |
| 12:06.24 | elwario91 | ok |
| 12:06.29 | elwario91 | what's jigdo? |
| 12:06.39 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 12:06.51 | abrotman | type in a package name .. it will tell you which CD it is on |
| 12:07.04 | elwario91 | ok thanks, nice |
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| 12:07.31 | abrotman | elwario91: or you can ask someone here to write a quick hack to list the contents of CD1 |
| 12:07.38 | yang | I wonder on which site are documented issues with sarge->etch updates? |
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| 12:07.53 | abrotman | !tell yang about sarge->etch |
| 12:07.55 | dutchfish | abrotman, sorry for talking oftopic i promise to never use the $MS word on this channel again x |
| 12:08.00 | abrotman | !tell yang about release notes |
| 12:08.03 | elwario91 | euh jigdo only lists the dvd's and I would like to have gnome on a CD not a DVD |
| 12:08.12 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'm sure we'll live |
| 12:08.13 | yang | abrotman: i read all that |
| 12:08.23 | abrotman | elwario91: give me a minute |
| 12:08.27 | elwario91 | nope |
| 12:08.29 | dutchfish | abrotman, :) |
| 12:08.30 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: ok here goes. if i'm not back in 5 mins it's for good reason! |
| 12:08.37 | bush^class | after apt-get install quota I get this http://pastebin.ca/439612 |
| 12:08.50 | bush^class | anyone know what could cause that, I am out of ideas |
| 12:08.50 | yang | abrotman: now I am wondering if there is any mailing list or forum, dealing with sarge->etch upgrade issues |
| 12:09.02 | h3sp4wn | elwario91: the gnome in etch is 2.14 (with a little of .16) |
| 12:09.12 | elwario91 | stupid question, is the next debian named Lenny? Who is it ? :) |
| 12:09.15 | h3sp4wn | elwario91: There is a backport of .16 somewhere |
| 12:09.20 | h3sp4wn | elwario91: binoculars |
| 12:09.36 | stew | abrotman: http://dpkg.vireo.org/q/qotd* :) |
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| 12:09.46 | elwario91 | the version doesnt matter I only want to know if I have it in the first CD :) |
| 12:09.52 | abrotman | stew: i forgot to tell you i did some work on that :) |
| 12:09.58 | stew | yeah? |
| 12:10.02 | abrotman | just a little |
| 12:10.20 | xand | is there a better dhcp client than dhclient? |
| 12:10.48 | abrotman | stew: how is it that you've never been involved in a qotd .. except asg beating people off ... |
| 12:11.10 | jelly-home | s/people // |
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| 12:11.25 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.28 | elwario91 | is gnome included with the first iso of here : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ ?? |
| 12:11.50 | xand | alleyoopster: hmm, how do I get the system to use that instead of dhclient? (I have installed it) |
| 12:11.54 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.26 | stew | abrotman: i try to keep a low profile around here |
| 12:12.33 | abrotman | sure :) |
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| 12:12.47 | ifireball | xand: just leave one dhcp client on your system, debian will use it, YMMV I use pump |
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| 12:13.31 | v0od0o | what module i have to load to have /proc/config.gz ? |
| 12:13.45 | ifireball | xand: there is a comment somewhere in /etc/network/* specifying the order in which the network scripts search for a dhcp client |
| 12:14.17 | dutchfish | v0od0o, it depends on your kernel |
| 12:14.37 | dutchfish | v0od0o, some kernels have it already in it |
| 12:14.40 | v0od0o | i have 2.6.8-3 |
| 12:14.42 | abrotman | how the hell did i do that |
| 12:14.47 | v0od0o | and i dont see in it :) |
| 12:14.50 | xand | hmm |
| 12:14.56 | elwario91 | who can help me? |
| 12:15.13 | v0od0o | so I was wondering if I can load a module to have it |
| 12:15.16 | yang | There is no deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing line anymore for lenny? |
| 12:15.28 | dutchfish | v0od0o, maybe this helps: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/9/17/5 |
| 12:15.44 | elwario91 | abrotman : can you help me? |
| 12:16.02 | abrotman | elwario91: with what question ? |
| 12:16.11 | abrotman | yang: it's the regular updates |
| 12:16.56 | elwario91 | abrotman : is gnome included in the first cd of here : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 12:16.56 | v0od0o | dutchfish i dont find anything interesting |
| 12:16.57 | abrotman | should be .. i'm trying to remember how to get the jigdo contents |
| 12:17.20 | v0od0o | i think my kernel have not tsupport for /proc/config.gz built in, i dont know wich modules i have to load with modprobe |
| 12:17.21 | elwario91 | but jigdo is with dvds and i only can download 1 cd of 600mb |
| 12:17.48 | alleyoopster | elwario91: gnome is included in cd1 unless it has xfce or kde in the title |
| 12:18.13 | elwario91 | alleyoopster : title? |
| 12:18.17 | dutchfish | v0od0o, are you on sarge? |
| 12:18.21 | alleyoopster | elwario91: filename |
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| 12:18.33 | v0od0o | yes |
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| 12:18.50 | dutchfish | v0od0o, i believe its standard in its latest kernel |
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| 12:18.59 | elwario91 | I only want to know if its on the first cd of 600mb, not the dvd (jigdo) |
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| 12:19.08 | v0od0o | I am going to compile a new kernel, but i want see what is running now |
| 12:19.09 | alleyoopster | elwario91: the 1st torrent on that page will have gnome |
| 12:19.21 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.29 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: well that didn't work at all. unsurprisingly |
| 12:19.32 | Braindead | v0od0o: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:19.38 | elwario91 | ok only would know that, thanks :) |
| 12:19.41 | xand | hmm, how do I get dhcpcd to update resolv.conf :| |
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| 12:19.53 | v0od0o | Braindead, I need the .config |
| 12:20.07 | Braindead | v0od0o: shall I repeat it? /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:20.07 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, why do you want to boot from this olled w2k partition anyway? |
| 12:20.12 | v0od0o | ok :D |
| 12:20.31 | DawnLight | i can use some help with this. testing netinst doesn't reckognize my wireless nic. lspci gave me "00:07.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [libertas] 80 2.11b/g Wireless (rev 03)" what are my options? googling don't help me much |
| 12:20.40 | v0od0o | ahhh |
| 12:20.41 | v0od0o | ok |
| 12:20.42 | elwario91 | bye |
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| 12:20.47 | v0od0o | perfect, thanks Braindead |
| 12:20.53 | Dave_is_sexy | with regard to grub: will grub, when booting windows, launch the M$ installer if there are multiple windows instalations, or can it boot them directly. |
| 12:20.54 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, or ask a windows related channel |
| 12:21.08 | abrotman | or #grub ? |
| 12:21.15 | ifireball | xand: it should be commented somewhere in the config file, also you may wanna install the resolvconf package |
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| 12:21.18 | phogg | xand: man dhcpd.conf |
| 12:21.21 | Dave_is_sexy | #grub is a good idea |
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| 12:21.35 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: see .. i have good ideas sometimes! :) |
| 12:21.46 | dutchfish | yes :0 |
| 12:21.58 | xand | phogg: dhcpcd not dhcpd |
| 12:22.08 | phogg | xand: ah, sorry |
| 12:22.34 | Dave_is_sexy | dutchfish: because some of us run applications which do more than make office documents, browse the internet and pick up email. some of us need aps which cos $20,000 or more and aren't available on Linux. ok? |
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| 12:23.54 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, all through, i wouldt dare to play around with such system, i would then have also the money to use a separate system for my linux needs |
| 12:23.57 | abrotman | AH .. got it |
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| 12:24.04 | ifireball | Dave_is_sexy: wine/vmware ? (I just read about this company running autocad on Debian recently) |
| 12:24.04 | deriaN- | gentoo is an early debian-outcome right? I was having a discussion with a friend earlier who disagreed with me, who are right in this situation? |
| 12:24.11 | xand | $20,000... what a ripoff! |
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| 12:25.07 | ifireball | deriaN-: afaik Gentoo is unrelated to Debian, the package system is completely different |
| 12:25.24 | buu | deriaN-: What exacdtly is a "debian-outcome"? |
| 12:25.33 | deriaN- | related |
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| 12:25.47 | buu | Not so much, no. |
| 12:25.50 | ifireball | deriaN-: don't confuse Gentoo with Ubuntu... (seen ppl do that) |
| 12:25.56 | buu | They , in fact, have nothing in common. |
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| 12:27.09 | Dave_is_sexy | ifireball: yes i read that too. great huh? but the performance drop-off makes the option of doing this foolish. I have tried with photoshop before (don't anyone dar mention the gimp, i know it is awesome, i have a career) and the difference was unacceptable |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | deriaN-: debian is dpkg/apt based .. gentoo is source based .. but they both have a kernel! |
| 12:27.09 | Dave_is_sexy | ...and autodesk having bought Alias are moving away from linux completely |
| 12:27.09 | dutchfish | !offtopic |
| 12:27.25 | abrotman | can we kill autodesk ? :) |
| 12:27.34 | Dave_is_sexy | hardly. running professional aps in a linux distro called debian, seems relevant |
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| 12:27.51 | xand | crappy nasty proprietary software makes xand sad :( |
| 12:27.54 | Dave_is_sexy | i'm afraid not. but the monopoly commission really shouldn't have allowed the buy out |
| 12:27.58 | Dave_is_sexy | (that's off topic) |
| 12:28.00 | DawnLight | can anyone help me with ndis wrapper? |
| 12:28.10 | ifireball | Dave_is_sexy: donno about autodesk, though I know many of their big users are still running on HP/Sun workstations, but WRT photoshop, you guys need to keep(start?) petitioning adobe |
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| 12:29.24 | ifireball | Dave_is_sexy: btw, did you consider colinux (e.g. letting windows run the hardware (yuck)) |
| 12:29.43 | dutchfish | !yacc |
| 12:29.43 | dpkg | well, yacc is Yet Another Compiler Compiler, or apt-get install bison |
| 12:29.55 | Dave_is_sexy | ifireball: i know. abobe killed freehand since merging with marcomedia. i no longer like them (and their crapy adobe illustrator). I like Inkscape! but, i need perfect compatibility for file exchanges y'know? |
| 12:29.58 | DawnLight | i want to install using netinst through a wireless nic that doens't get reckognized. i understand that i can use ndiswrapper. can anyone help me with this? |
| 12:30.11 | scx | !ask2ask @DawnLight |
| 12:30.14 | Dave_is_sexy | irefeball: no that sounds massively interesting, but like a total resource killer? |
| 12:30.53 | ifireball | Dave_is_sexy: depends on the amount of resources you have, YMMV but you do have a photoshop-able workstation no? |
| 12:31.01 | DawnLight | i really just don't know what to do next |
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| 12:31.47 | crm_ | does the default config of the kernel correspond to the built image of the source? |
| 12:31.58 | DawnLight | i've got the chipset. it's Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 |
| 12:32.02 | scx | has to |
| 12:32.13 | scx | crm_: uname -r |
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| 12:32.43 | dutchfish | crm_, not neccesarely, par example when using XEN |
| 12:32.45 | crm_ | 2.6.8-386 |
| 12:32.57 | crm_ | err 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 12:33.14 | stew | crm_: the config is /boot/config-2.6.8-3-386 |
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| 12:33.59 | crm_ | if that's the case.. then i might try this build again.. just using defaults |
| 12:34.05 | Dave_is_sexy | ifireball: yes. to be fair, the gimp suffices for many photoshop tasks, but doesn't support blending options, and that's what i work with most. I'm confident that in 10 years everything will be fine, but for now there is only one sensible OS option. and every program i need runs on it. I wont say what it is ;-) Linux is more of a hobby |
| 12:34.31 | crm_ | though last time i tried to patch this in: |
| 12:34.33 | crm_ | http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/pwcx-9.0.tar.gz |
| 12:34.41 | crm_ | i received 2 errors |
| 12:35.04 | crm_ | i might extract it again and give it another go |
| 12:35.09 | Blissex | Dave_is_sexy: thats actually being worked upon. Also there is another freeware/freed image editor that IIRC has got beldning mode. |
| 12:35.14 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, believe me or not your 10 years will shrink alot when coders from china see the big light to max 3 years |
| 12:35.28 | xand | liable: resolv.conf is easy |
| 12:35.28 | DawnLight | does netinst come with ndiswrapper? |
| 12:35.47 | abrotman | no |
| 12:35.52 | Blissex | crm_: for Philips webcams the kernel-native reengineered driver has compression too, and it is a better bet than the obfuscated 'pcwx' driver. |
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| 12:36.18 | DawnLight | abrotman: how about you help me a little - a remember you helped me some not long ago |
| 12:36.29 | ifireball | Dave_is_sexy: I'm not arguing here, since I'm not a PS user, have have nothing to do with pro GFX, you should use whatever your'e comfortable with, but if Debian is a hobby I wouldn't guggle partitions on my workstation... |
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| 12:36.31 | crm_ | Blissex ... is that in the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 12:36.32 | lopa | how to block some incoming ports on iptables ? |
| 12:36.34 | abrotman | DawnLight: i helped someone ? |
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| 12:36.47 | Blissex | crm_: can't remember, I think it is. |
| 12:36.51 | ifireball | Dave_is_sexy: also IMO dual boot never works in the long run |
| 12:37.00 | abrotman | DawnLight: help with what |
| 12:37.01 | xand | dual boot sucks |
| 12:37.01 | crm_ | Blissex.. ta =) |
| 12:37.07 | lopa | ? |
| 12:37.08 | xand | it's okish with laptops, but that's about it |
| 12:37.29 | crm_ | damnit.. this webcam should just work then |
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| 12:37.45 | lopa | anyone/ |
| 12:37.47 | lopa | how to block some incoming ports on iptables ? |
| 12:38.21 | dutchfish | lopa, i am not great with iptables but what you want to block wich ports? |
| 12:38.28 | xand | does resolvconf just deal with DNS servers? because that's not what I want |
| 12:38.29 | DawnLight | abrotman: i want to install debian in this box, which is currently running winxp. problem is, when using netinst, the wireless nic doesn't get detected. lspci gives me the chipset |
| 12:38.30 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 12:38.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
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| 12:38.39 | l_r | hello |
| 12:38.41 | abrotman | DawnLight: share? |
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| 12:39.12 | DawnLight | abrotman: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 |
| 12:39.13 | Dave_is_sexy | ifireball: no of couse not. this is my laptop. i'll be surprised if debian works propperly on it, but i'm going to find out. such a freekin' pain though to do anything propperly. and they have a dire new automated installer that's not a patch on the one that came with debain 3.0 |
| 12:39.31 | abrotman | DawnLight: i don't even know if that has a driver .. at all |
| 12:39.37 | abrotman | DawnLight: did you try ndiswrapper ? |
| 12:39.49 | l_r | i have problem with gpg. i copied my .gnupg dir from one system to an usb key and then used "gpg --import" to import they keys from the usb key to a second system, but it seems the copy+import is not correct for importing the original keys from the first system to the second one. any idea? |
| 12:40.12 | DawnLight | abrotman - i wish i knew how to do that. i've looked around and it worked for someone in ubuntu |
| 12:40.13 | ifireball | Dave_is_sexy: one does no go down the Debian path looking for the easy way... ;) |
| 12:40.18 | abrotman | don't you have to export from the first ? |
| 12:40.32 | abrotman | DawnLight: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 12:40.40 | abrotman | DawnLight: no wired LAN at all ? |
| 12:41.17 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i have a USB ethernet for this single purpose (they are cheap) |
| 12:42.09 | DawnLight | abrotman: what o you mean? all i know is that when it asks me which nic to use for internet it's not on the list |
| 12:42.28 | abrotman | you've just gone beyond my knowledge of ndis :) |
| 12:42.32 | dutchfish | DawnLight, lspci -vvv |
| 12:42.37 | DawnLight | dutchfish/abrotman: i have a usb wireless nic here too |
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| 12:42.55 | dutchfish | DawnLight, the problem is you dont have drivers loaded |
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| 12:43.06 | xand | FFS |
| 12:43.42 | dutchfish | DawnLight, thats why i prefer i netinstall through a non-wireless, to catch the driver later and config it properly |
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| 12:45.40 | DawnLight | dutchfish/abrotman: what need i do? i can also use the onboard regular nic to install but the wireless should work after that |
| 12:45.46 | dutchfish | DawnLight, most sub-ethernet (non-wireless) work on boot |
| 12:45.54 | Dave_is_sexy | ifireball: lol. it'll be easy when i've finished with it |
| 12:46.00 | dutchfish | DawnLight, sigh |
| 12:46.11 | dutchfish | DawnLight, sorry yes |
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| 12:46.34 | Mooi | When compiling a piece of software, I get "'INT64_C' was not declared in this scope". How could I solve this? |
| 12:47.22 | dutchfish | Mooi, did you use the right params for gcc? |
| 12:47.33 | Mooi | dutchfish: no, 'cause I don't know what they are |
| 12:47.52 | Mooi | this software is related to ffmpeg |
| 12:47.52 | dutchfish | Mooi, i would first try to complie with -Wall |
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| 12:48.33 | Mooi | thanks |
| 12:48.35 | Mooi | will try |
| 12:48.35 | DawnLight | hmm... |
| 12:48.38 | DawnLight | be back soon |
| 12:48.38 | \amethyst | Mooi: http://sushee.schreibsturm.org/article/1596/errors-with-int64c-due-to-ffmpeg-use |
| 12:48.42 | DawnLight | tahnks |
| 12:49.02 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: checked out grub, and it wont help |
| 12:49.10 | Mooi | thanks very much, \amethyst |
| 12:49.21 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: #grub says so ? |
| 12:49.23 | \amethyst | that's a nasty hack, of course |
| 12:49.27 | Dave_is_sexy | yep |
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| 12:49.35 | abrotman | so you're screwed ? |
| 12:49.48 | Mooi | "error: integer constant is too large for 'long' type" |
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| 12:50.11 | Dave_is_sexy | lol. no, i will just have to work out HOW to do this manually. which like everything done propperly will be hard |
| 12:50.31 | dutchfish | Mooi, gcc --version? |
| 12:50.48 | \amethyst | Mooi: You're on a 32-bit machine? |
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| 12:51.29 | xand | can someone remind me which file contains ethX device names for udev? |
| 12:51.58 | Mooi | \amethyst: yes |
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| 12:52.05 | \amethyst | xand: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 12:52.07 | Mooi | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 12:52.18 | Mooi | (@ dutchfish ) |
| 12:52.29 | dutchfish | \amethyst, looks like you know alot of src-code, do you know wich api to use to read slices/sec value out in C code, ie wich kernel related header file? |
| 12:52.37 | xand | thanks \amethyst |
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| 12:52.53 | \amethyst | dutchfish: slices/sec ? |
| 12:52.53 | repyskichboarder | Hello! |
| 12:53.07 | repyskichboarder | hello abrotman ! |
| 12:53.20 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: I did a fresh install of linux |
| 12:53.21 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes how many slices the kernel has like in vmstat 1 |
| 12:53.35 | repyskichboarder | but the mouse doesen't move yet |
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| 12:53.50 | dutchfish | Mooi, on 32 bit? |
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| 12:53.58 | Mooi | dutchfish: yes |
| 12:54.21 | kleinweby_ | hello, i have a problem with sshd + bash in a chroot. When i login i see the env-variables (debug mode) but then is nothing. No command promt, only a blank line. I can wirte some thing in the line and press enter but there is no bash and no other shell. And when i chrooted manualy in the chroot directory the bash work fine. any idea why this dosnt work? |
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| 12:54.47 | dutchfish | Mooi, i dont know if it is possible to compile 64bit code on 32 bit kernel, maybe \amethyst knows |
| 12:54.50 | action09 | hi all :) |
| 12:55.01 | repyskichboarder | I'm on a laptop, using the touchpad mouse, but the mouse doesen't move, in X I've selected mice |
| 12:55.03 | Mooi | kleinweby_: did you do chroot /wherver/ /bin/bash or what? |
| 12:55.09 | Mooi | dutchfish: I see |
| 12:55.22 | kleinweby_ | Mooi, yes this works |
| 12:55.39 | action09 | I'm searching for tuto to install freenx on debian stable, or useful informations.. i'm searching actuallyon uncle's google, but if anyone has already infos/tuto on it; let's share tia :) |
| 12:55.41 | Mooi | \amethyst: any ideas on this? I would modify avcodec.h, line #define AV_NOPTS_VALUE INT64_C(0x8000000000000000) |
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| 12:55.45 | Mooi | would this be fine? |
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| 12:56.06 | tapout | How can you tell if you have the latest etch version? from April 8th? I don't recall any big updates |
| 12:56.18 | \amethyst | Mooi: on a 32-bit system you need an LL after that constant |
| 12:56.29 | \amethyst | Mooi: likewise any other 64-bit constants |
| 12:56.30 | dutchfish | \amethyst, like the readout under [in] in vmstat 1 |
| 12:56.36 | action09 | http://wiki.debian.org/freenx?highlight=%28freenx%29 is some doc i know :) |
| 12:56.49 | repyskichboarder | Can anybody help me? |
| 12:56.51 | Mooi | \amethyst: heh, so it is not my fault at all... it's ffmpeg's developers' |
| 12:56.53 | Mooi | ;-) |
| 12:56.53 | xand | !wireless |
| 12:56.54 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
| 12:56.54 | kleinweby_ | Mooi, and the ssh i starts with chroot /chroot /usr/sbin/sshd -e -d -D, and when i login in the ssh there is not a shell |
| 12:57.04 | tapout | !etch |
| 12:57.04 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 12:57.40 | Mooi | I can't help anymore, my knowledge is too little, kleinweby_ |
| 12:57.48 | tapout | is there a apt-get "history" somewhere? I wanna know if i"m up-to-date |
| 12:57.49 | kleinweby_ | :/ |
| 12:58.29 | \amethyst | dutchfish: you would parse /proc/vmstat |
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| 12:58.48 | dutchfish | \amethyst, there no api for vmstat values? |
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| 12:59.29 | flamebird | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 12:59.29 | flamebird | what does that mean?! |
| 12:59.29 | tapout | apt-get install bzip2 |
| 12:59.29 | dutchfish | \amethyst, directly from kernel? |
| 12:59.30 | action09 | !freenx |
| 12:59.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 12:59.30 | \amethyst | dutchfish: /proc/ is the API |
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| 12:59.43 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ok, yes thought there was a header for this like kernel.h |
| 12:59.43 | \amethyst | dutchfish: /proc and /sys are both major parts of the kernel API |
| 13:00.03 | \amethyst | dutchfish: libproc might have something to do the vmstat parsing |
| 13:00.03 | Absolute0 | is there any other repo i can add to sources.list that will give me some more "non-standard" pkgs? |
| 13:00.04 | Mazingaro | \amethyst: working well |
| 13:00.12 | Absolute0 | still stable though |
| 13:00.25 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes thx very much |
| 13:00.26 | Absolute0 | like in archlinux i would add the community repo |
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| 13:03.47 | xand | wtf have I done |
| 13:05.04 | xand | my wireless card has an IP address on the wired network :| |
| 13:05.06 | xand | this makes no sense |
| 13:05.30 | xand | sigh |
| 13:05.59 | xand | both eth0 and eth1 are the same NIC... but ifconfig says eth1 has teh wireless card's mac address, but it's WRONG |
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| 13:06.29 | flamebird | !theme |
| 13:06.29 | dpkg | somebody said theme was want gnome-themes? you probably are looking for the package gtk-theme-switch'.. 'also see packages gtk-engine-*'... |
| 13:06.38 | flamebird | !kde-theme |
| 13:06.45 | flamebird | can I apt-get themes?! |
| 13:06.46 | scx | xand: unlink 'em |
| 13:07.03 | flamebird | !kde-look |
| 13:07.04 | dpkg | kde-look is probably where you go to make your KDE sekzeee |
| 13:07.15 | xand | scx: unlink? they're not meant to be linked at all... |
| 13:07.25 | xand | sigh |
| 13:07.39 | scx | xand: tell me |
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| 13:07.58 | xand | scx: what? |
| 13:08.10 | xand | something has gotten confused, other than my brain |
| 13:08.19 | xand | ifconfig is telling lis |
| 13:08.20 | xand | +e |
| 13:08.25 | scx | do I have to be drunk to be undertood here? |
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| 13:08.38 | xand | no, you have to make sense |
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| 13:08.47 | scx | now that I am not nobody understand me |
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| 13:10.14 | Absolute0 | why does debian set up everything right after a pkg's installation? |
| 13:10.39 | Absolute0 | like i installed gpm and the next reboot gpm starts up... |
| 13:10.50 | Absolute0 | i didnt have to configure anything... |
| 13:10.58 | Absolute0 | what if i didnt want to use gpm... |
| 13:11.19 | Absolute0 | anyway i can install a pkg and not set it up? |
| 13:11.24 | row_ | I have a VIA motherboard chipset yet debian installer does not pick up any PCI stuff checked it via lspci and its empty, how can this be fixed? |
| 13:11.27 | repyskichboarder | I'm on a laptop running etch (just installed), using the touchpad mouse, but the mouse doesen't move, somebody can help me? |
| 13:11.47 | row_ | I have a rather old MSI MS-6382 mobo |
| 13:11.50 | Absolute0 | repyskichboarder: try getting the synaptic mouse driver |
| 13:11.55 | Absolute0 | or whatever its called |
| 13:12.10 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i found something, vmstat.h is not acurate enough but i can build up form clocksource.h and simply compute then slices/sec, thx anyway your hinits lead me to this.. |
| 13:12.38 | repyskichboarder | Absolute0: sorry but I'm new on linux, I have to do apt-get install [mousedriver]? is it right? |
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| 13:12.50 | vin` | Absolute0: rcconf is probably what you want. |
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| 13:13.25 | Absolute0 | repyskichboarder: run 'apt-cache search synaptics' |
| 13:13.39 | repyskichboarder | Absolute0: thanks :D |
| 13:13.49 | Absolute0 | i believe you need the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics pkg |
| 13:13.58 | Absolute0 | that mouse driver is the best! |
| 13:14.08 | Absolute0 | better than anything you can do with your mouse on windows! |
| 13:14.09 | Absolute0 | :-D |
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| 13:15.16 | Absolute0 | vin`: what's reconf? |
| 13:15.24 | Absolute0 | i cant find it with apt-cache search |
| 13:15.39 | Tuxedo | hi everyone here!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:15.40 | repyskichboarder | Absolute0: Thanks a lot :D |
| 13:15.42 | Tuxedo | :P |
| 13:15.43 | repyskichboarder | see you later |
| 13:15.47 | Absolute0 | later |
| 13:16.06 | Tuxedo | From Dominican Republic |
| 13:16.25 | Absolute0 | vin`: i think i need debconf ;P |
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| 13:17.03 | Absolute0 | what command launches the ncurses xorg configuration utility? |
| 13:17.19 | Absolute0 | the one that you see during installation of xorg... |
| 13:17.34 | Braindead | Absolute0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:17.37 | scx | dpkg reconfigure? |
| 13:17.37 | dpkg | somebody said reconfigure was really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
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| 13:17.54 | teclo | what would be the most efficient to copy aroung 60 GB of data between two machines on 100Mbit Ethernet ? scp ? rsync ? I need something that works recursovemy///// |
| 13:18.09 | aubade | rsync should do the job... |
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| 13:18.27 | scx | eth and rsync are two diferent animals |
| 13:18.35 | Absolute0 | teclo: i believe tcp is exactly same as cp only over a network... |
| 13:18.38 | Absolute0 | so i would use tcp |
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| 13:19.12 | r3set | can anyone tell me why i'm banned in #debian.de? i would appreciate it ;) |
| 13:19.27 | aubade | posting loli? ^ |
| 13:19.32 | Absolute0 | nv is the nvidia x server driver? |
| 13:19.49 | aubade | The free driver, nvidia-glx is the proprietary, binary. |
| 13:19.56 | r3set | dunno why |
| 13:20.55 | Absolute0 | aubade: i need to enable some non-free repository for that? |
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| 13:20.58 | ifireball | teclo: the most efficient way would be to configure an NFS share and copy with "cp" |
| 13:21.27 | r3set | SaLoMoN: ? |
| 13:21.36 | Absolute0 | its not in the standard repo's |
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| 13:22.12 | teclo | ifireball: yeah but, that will not preverse date and time ... |
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| 13:22.26 | loca|host | what's the best way converting PS to PNG without quality loosing |
| 13:22.26 | loca|host | \amethyst, any idea ? :) |
| 13:22.36 | ifireball | teclo: use "cp -p" or cpio |
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| 13:24.15 | Absolute0 | which repo is nvidia-glx in?? |
| 13:24.19 | aubade | Absolute0: add 'non-free' to whatever mirror you are already using. |
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| 13:24.55 | aubade | ex: deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 13:25.07 | Absolute0 | thanks |
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| 13:26.45 | abrotman_ | repyskichboarder: is it working better ? |
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| 13:27.24 | Absolute0 | aubade: in my sources.list file for every deb line i also have a deb-src file... |
| 13:27.48 | Absolute0 | so i need to add to both? |
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| 13:27.57 | aubade | You don't have to but you can. |
| 13:28.08 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 13:28.27 | Absolute0 | whats the deb-src line for? |
| 13:28.30 | aubade | You using a stock kernel, Absolute0? |
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| 13:28.41 | stew | wow, moving dovecot from sarge->etch was a pain |
| 13:28.43 | Absolute0 | i am using the default etch kernel... |
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| 13:28.51 | ifireball | <loca|host> what's the best way converting PS to PNG without quality loosing <- you can't quite do that since PS is vector and PNG isn't |
| 13:29.00 | Sakunix | Hi all I have a machine with a nvidia FX5700 chipset on my graphics card. It have both a DVI and VGA output anyone know how to get two monitors to be driven off my graphics card? |
| 13:29.04 | Andre29 | hello all, i've tryed to find anserw on linux channels but no success. all ok, except maradns. I get a query refused message from dig. if any one can help me i would be apreciative |
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| 13:29.21 | asg | Andre29: did you ask the #dns channel? |
| 13:29.35 | Andre29 | asg did |
| 13:29.40 | aubade | Just install the kernel module for your kernel after having updated your package listings. Use 'uname -r' to determine what kernel you're using then search for something that starts as 'nvidia-kernel-' with it at the end. |
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| 13:29.53 | loca|host | ifireball, maybe by using a transitional format, like what i used for tiff2png (TIFF>PNM>PNG) |
| 13:30.08 | aubade | Most of the time you can get away with an: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:30.23 | Sakunix | aubade: I will give that a try |
| 13:30.26 | repyskichboarder | hi abrotman |
| 13:30.37 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: everything go okay ? |
| 13:30.40 | repyskichboarder | abrotman yes now I can see the desktop |
| 13:30.42 | repyskichboarder | but |
| 13:30.48 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: but? |
| 13:30.48 | repyskichboarder | the mouse doesen't work |
| 13:30.50 | ifireball | loca|host: I seem to remember using a tool like that, let me look for it |
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| 13:31.00 | repyskichboarder | I have yet the synaptics driver |
| 13:31.01 | abrotman | repyskichboarder: did you load the psmouse driver ? |
| 13:31.17 | repyskichboarder | No, I don't know |
| 13:31.24 | repyskichboarder | abrotman how can I do that? |
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| 13:32.15 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 13:32.23 | dokma | hi all |
| 13:32.28 | dokma | quick q on deb+firefox |
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| 13:32.35 | dokma | I'm developing a website |
| 13:32.45 | dokma | and I've got some font issues |
| 13:32.55 | dokma | it seems that firefox uses the same font no matter |
| 13:32.59 | repyskichboarder | abrotman: modprobe psmouse ? |
| 13:32.59 | dokma | what I put in the css |
| 13:33.17 | dokma | I have no clue where to start looking |
| 13:33.20 | dokma | any ideas? |
| 13:33.22 | repyskichboarder | abrotman and then I choose mice ok? |
| 13:33.38 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice ? |
| 13:33.49 | hark | dokma: look in font properties? |
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| 13:34.20 | repyskichboarder | abrotman yes |
| 13:34.24 | repyskichboarder | is it correct? |
| 13:34.37 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 13:34.38 | Sakunix | aubade: the package nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 is in unstable is there going to be dependancy problems you think if I get it and install it? |
| 13:35.03 | abrotman | Sakunix: which version of debian are you running ? |
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| 13:35.07 | dokma | hark what I see there is that sites are allowed to choose their own fonts |
| 13:35.10 | Sakunix | 4.0 |
| 13:35.13 | aubade | Uh, I was actually talking to Absolute0 about just getting the binary nvidia drivers in. ^ |
| 13:35.21 | abrotman | Sakunix: you have the same verison |
| 13:35.26 | dokma | so basically that is not much of a clue |
| 13:35.43 | Absolute0 | aubade: The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829) but it |
| 13:35.43 | Absolute0 | is not installable |
| 13:35.46 | dokma | how can I tell if firefox has access to verdana for example? |
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| 13:35.58 | Sakunix | yup |
| 13:36.14 | v0od0o | linux kernel headers on apt is the source ? |
| 13:36.15 | hark | dokma: iceweasel? and etch? |
| 13:36.15 | Absolute0 | dokma: edit->options-content->fonts... |
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| 13:36.24 | dokma | firefox and etch |
| 13:36.44 | aubade | Absolute0: Did you also add contrib to the end of those lines in your sources.list? |
| 13:36.47 | hark | well, etch has iceweasel |
| 13:36.49 | Absolute0 | nope |
| 13:36.51 | repyskichboarder | Still doesen't work |
| 13:36.58 | Absolute0 | you didnt tell me too... |
| 13:36.59 | aubade | 'd be the reason why. d: |
| 13:37.10 | dokma | ok |
| 13:37.15 | dokma | firefox does not see them |
| 13:37.20 | dokma | I probably need a restart |
| 13:37.21 | Sakunix | Absolute0: I just done a 4.0 stable install and the pkg nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 is in unstable repository think there will be issues with grabing it and installing it? |
| 13:37.35 | hark | dokma: ok, good luck then |
| 13:37.47 | dokma | I'll try just restarting firefox and see if that helps |
| 13:37.49 | Mooi | Hey, how can I tell dpkg that ffmpeg is already installed? I installed a development package |
| 13:37.49 | Absolute0 | who knowa... |
| 13:37.53 | h3sp4wn | Sakunix: It should be in the stable repositories |
| 13:37.53 | dokma | thank you |
| 13:37.56 | Absolute0 | i am new to debian... |
| 13:38.00 | aubade | Sakunix: I didn't have problems with either the 486 or 686 modules for that kernel yesterday. |
| 13:38.03 | Absolute0 | just getting used to apt-get |
| 13:38.03 | ifireball | loca|host: well, I can't find it, I remember I used some tool once to plot a PDF file to a PPM image, I seem to remember it was able to process PS files as well (you can always use ps2pdf) you'll need to do some diggig |
| 13:38.05 | h3sp4wn | Sakunix: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 13:38.19 | Sakunix | of course |
| 13:38.21 | Absolute0 | how do i check which files apt-get install for a pkg? |
| 13:38.29 | abrotman | Absolute0: dpkg -L pkg |
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| 13:38.48 | Absolute0 | ok cool |
| 13:38.50 | Azar | new to Debian and jumped on Lenny..... |
| 13:39.00 | Absolute0 | whats lenny anyways? |
| 13:39.06 | aubade | The testing branch. |
| 13:39.07 | Absolute0 | and older version of etch? |
| 13:39.09 | Absolute0 | or a neverone |
| 13:39.11 | Absolute0 | oh ok |
| 13:39.22 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 13:39.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. |
| 13:39.24 | Absolute0 | so i can replace main with lenny? |
| 13:39.35 | Sakunix | h3sp4wn: I understand now, you just need to add the non-free reps in source.list |
| 13:39.41 | aubade | You can, could be some breakage. |
| 13:39.47 | Absolute0 | nevermind |
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| 13:39.56 | aubade | Lenny is barely a week in, not much of a difference between it and the now-stable Etch. |
| 13:39.58 | abrotman | could be ? |
| 13:40.02 | Mooi | Hey, how can I tell dpkg that ffmpeg is already installed? I installed a development package |
| 13:40.11 | b_jonas | whew |
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| 13:40.23 | b_jonas | I'm done with the dist-upgrade |
| 13:40.33 | abrotman | !tell Mooi about equivs |
| 13:40.38 | Mooi | thanks abrotman |
| 13:40.39 | Absolute0 | i installed terminus and my fonts look like crap :( |
| 13:40.44 | crm_ | Mooi |
| 13:40.44 | Absolute0 | and i thought things would get better |
| 13:40.46 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 13:40.56 | crm_ | was there a thing called FFServer? |
| 13:40.56 | b_jonas | now I can see if X.org and everything else works |
| 13:40.57 | Absolute0 | i need to run console-setup... |
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| 13:41.09 | b_jonas | bye |
| 13:41.12 | crm_ | or do you know how ffmpeg is used to stream webcams? |
| 13:41.50 | Absolute0 | that doesnt help... |
| 13:41.56 | Absolute0 | let me just get rid of terminus... |
| 13:41.57 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 13:41.58 | hark | Absolute0: dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 13:42.02 | Absolute0 | oh... |
| 13:42.03 | Absolute0 | ok |
| 13:42.05 | Absolute0 | ! |
| 13:42.35 | ifireball | crm_: afaik it would just be a part of a bigger webcam/streaming app sits it's just a codec |
| 13:42.40 | Absolute0 | hark it doesn't do anything... |
| 13:43.10 | hark | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ? |
| 13:43.21 | Absolute0 | console setup? |
| 13:43.29 | Absolute0 | dont i need to run it on terminus? |
| 13:43.31 | crm_ | what's afaik ifireball ? |
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| 13:43.47 | Absolute0 | nevermind |
| 13:43.48 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 13:43.56 | ifireball | crm_: "As Far As I Know" |
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| 13:44.08 | crm_ | ta =) |
| 13:44.13 | hark | wtf.. read /usr/share/doc/console-setup/README.Debian |
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| 13:44.26 | Mooi | crm_: what do you want to do? |
| 13:44.27 | Absolute0 | hehe ok |
| 13:44.28 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 13:44.34 | Absolute0 | your command works so thanks |
| 13:44.40 | crm_ | stream two of my webcams from linux Mooi |
| 13:44.43 | Absolute0 | i thought i needed to run it on terminus... |
| 13:44.54 | Mooi | crm_: in what format? |
| 13:44.59 | hark | heh |
| 13:45.05 | crm_ | Mooi .. raw .. ideally |
| 13:45.19 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: terminus might not look the nicest but designed to be easy on the eyes not to look nice |
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| 13:45.32 | crm_ | Mooi .. but that's based on the assumption i can find something to read the stream on the other end |
| 13:45.34 | Mooi | mhm, lemme see ;-) |
| 13:45.39 | hark | it looks quite nice |
| 13:45.45 | Mooi | crm_: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2006-March/002510.html |
| 13:45.52 | dokma | just restarted firefox and now it lists verdana in it's fonts |
| 13:45.58 | Mooi | you'll understand the command |
| 13:45.59 | dokma | but still it does not get displayed on pages |
| 13:46.10 | dokma | I guess this would now be a firefox issue |
| 13:46.15 | Mooi | crm_: I suggest http://www.v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/ |
| 13:46.27 | Absolute0 | h3sp4wn: only when its setup up properly |
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| 13:46.37 | Mooi | crm_: you can also use VLS (VideoLAN Server) to do what you want, it wil be much easier and flexdible to use |
| 13:46.41 | Absolute0 | its not nice on the eyes at all the way its currently setup... |
| 13:46.48 | crm_ | wowo.. slow down a bit |
| 13:46.56 | crm_ | i haven't had this much attention for awhile |
| 13:47.01 | crm_ | lemme soak it up =) |
| 13:47.06 | Mooi | hehe ;-) |
| 13:48.06 | crm_ | whats OGG? |
| 13:48.25 | Sakunix | Absolute0: I did the apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486, it have completed what next? ALT-CTRL-backspace? |
| 13:48.40 | hark | !googlesmite crm_ |
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| 13:48.51 | Mooi | crm_: a container format |
| 13:48.54 | crm_ | the ffmpeg stuff.. looks ok.. but the "ffserver" configured server.. i need to research that more before i can ask more about it =) |
| 13:49.02 | hark | dpkg: ogg |
| 13:49.02 | dpkg | [ogg] a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is a Xiph project, patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Ogg files generally end in .ogg. ask me about xiph |
| 13:49.13 | Absolute0 | Sakunix: i think aubade would be of better sevice since i am new to debian but yeah and you would have to setup the xorg configuration first... |
| 13:49.20 | Mooi | crm_: get vlc (apt-get install vlc), and you'll learn how to do this stuff... easy |
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| 13:49.27 | Mooi | you can easily stream whatever you want |
| 13:49.27 | famir_ | im using .6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux. how can i get the source ??? |
| 13:49.28 | Absolute0 | Sakunix: i think you also need nvidia-glx |
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| 13:49.36 | jelly-home | !theora |
| 13:49.36 | dpkg | i guess theora is an open video codec being developed by the Xiph.org Foundation as part of their Ogg project. http://theora.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora |
| 13:49.36 | Sakunix | Absolute0: Thanks |
| 13:49.43 | b_jonas | cool! I'm now running etch |
| 13:49.45 | jumpship | vuts the binary news reader of choice under debian? =D |
| 13:50.10 | Sakunix | Absolute0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? choose nvidia instead of nv you think? |
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| 13:50.17 | hark | apt-cache search and try them all |
| 13:50.31 | aubade | Absolute0: I'm barely a week into Debian. lol |
| 13:50.32 | jumpship | i jumped ship from FC5 to debian at work. waiting for the next FC release to cut off updates then i upgrade da home machine :-) |
| 13:50.36 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 13:50.43 | Absolute0 | well i am on debian 2 days... |
| 13:50.48 | crm_ | Mooi .. i need to explain abit more about the goals.. and that's basically take two webcam inputs and put them on the network as quickly as possible in a format that is accessible by any OS |
| 13:50.48 | Absolute0 | so you win anyhow |
| 13:50.50 | Absolute0 | Sakunix: yes |
| 13:50.53 | Sakunix | aubade, Absolute0: Just installed it, been using ubuntu for the last month |
| 13:50.56 | Absolute0 | i have to run that myself as well |
| 13:50.56 | Absolute0 | :-p |
| 13:51.07 | Absolute0 | ubuntu is crap |
| 13:51.10 | crm_ | Mooi .. im using old puters for the task =) |
| 13:51.17 | repyskichboarder | Ufffff |
| 13:51.20 | hark | Sakunix: if you've installed the binary nvidia drivers, you have to choose nvidia |
| 13:51.24 | repyskichboarder | It doesen't works |
| 13:51.25 | Sakunix | Absolute0: It was a great stepping stone from windows give it that |
| 13:51.28 | repyskichboarder | :°°° |
| 13:51.28 | aubade | Not going to put down Ubuntu, but I'm glad to be rid of a broken ini system... I will say that. |
| 13:51.35 | Sakunix | hark: Yer I think you are right |
| 13:51.40 | hark | Sakunix: otherwise, purge it if you want to use nv |
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| 13:51.49 | Mooi | crm_: use VLC for that, it can stream in many formats |
| 13:52.05 | hark | nasty diversions and all.. |
| 13:52.15 | famir_ | im using .6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux. how can i get the source ??? |
| 13:52.19 | Sakunix | hark: Do the reconfigure with the xserver down? |
| 13:52.24 | crm_ | Mooi .. that's where i've been playing.. though i need to research it a bit more |
| 13:52.39 | crm_ | Mooi .. thanks -) |
| 13:52.40 | hark | Sakunix: yes, you can |
| 13:52.56 | Mooi | you're welcome, crm_ |
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| 13:53.05 | Sakunix | hark: going to drop from irc I think, I will be back in to tell you how it goes cheers Absolute0 and aubade |
| 13:53.10 | mafu | What do people recon is the best way to get php 5.2.1 into a newly upgraded Etch? |
| 13:53.14 | Mooi | if you succeed in something, drop a link to your blog or something ;-) wanna see what you're doing |
| 13:53.23 | hark | Sakunix: you can also just edit xorg.conf and change "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 13:53.51 | jumpship | mafu: apt-get install php5 ? |
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| 13:54.16 | Vanpriest | guys what is the most stable kernel for debian? |
| 13:54.16 | mafu | jumpship, unfortunately, that's the 5.2.0 version, which has a very irritating bug that's fixed in 5.2.1 |
| 13:54.32 | Vanpriest | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp or kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 13:54.32 | hark | famir_: search for linux-source |
| 13:54.36 | jumpship | anyone got a fav binary news reader they can recommend on debian etch? |
| 13:54.38 | repyskichboarder | I'm having trouble whit a synaptics touch pad, can somebody help me? |
| 13:54.39 | mafu | jumpship, so I don't know if I should get a backport somewhere or build from source. |
| 13:54.47 | kleinweby_ | ah, my chroot works, but only with users that are in the /etc/passwd. User thats are in this file can login and have a shell. User thats are in the pg-db can login but dosn't have a shell, has any one an idea for this problem? |
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| 13:54.55 | Mooi | mhm, mafu, there is no php-5.2.1 in the debian pool |
| 13:55.04 | mafu | Exactly |
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| 13:55.12 | Mooi | compile from source?;-) |
| 13:55.30 | mmmmmmmmm | what's the bug in 5.2.0? |
| 13:55.44 | mafu | I have never done that before.. But what about updates again, do I have to recompile every time? |
| 13:55.49 | Mooi | many, mmmmmmmmm; http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php |
| 13:55.58 | ifireball | crm_: you can try webcam or webcamd though that wouldn't exactly be streaming |
| 13:55.58 | Mooi | mafu: yes, most likely |
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| 13:56.05 | mafu | mmmmmmmmm, something about __get() and overloading arrays. |
| 13:56.33 | Mooi | 5.2.0 is very old already :| |
| 13:56.46 | mafu | I found some backports at dotdeb.org , but I don't know if they are considered safe. |
| 13:56.54 | abrotman_ | Mooi: six months |
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| 13:57.06 | Mooi | yes... I am aware |
| 13:57.16 | Mooi | and the 5.2.1 is two months :O |
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| 13:57.31 | Mooi | so who's willing to submit their packages?:P |
| 13:57.47 | row | I take it Lenny will not be on security.debian.org untill it gets ready to go stable? |
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| 13:58.04 | hark | no |
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| 13:59.40 | Absolute0 | where are all the packages saved? |
| 13:59.47 | Vanpriest | hi someone can help me out. when i try to upgrade after updating, it said i need updates kernel. ... |
| 14:00.00 | rrva | Absolute0: you mean the package cache? |
| 14:00.02 | Mooi | Absolute0: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:00.06 | sadawson | Absolute0: locate *.deb? |
| 14:00.16 | Vanpriest | now when i try to update the kernel, it stil say me tat i required glib and cannot upgrade it, and it ask me t update kernel |
| 14:00.32 | b_jonas | and the X display is configured right automatically, even though the server's changed from xfree86 to x.org |
| 14:00.39 | b_jonas | I've no idea how it's done |
| 14:00.42 | jumpship | can someone shoot me a link on how to build a .deb binary? i want to build a QGIS .8 for distro |
| 14:00.46 | b_jonas | seems like magic |
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| 14:01.14 | NaVaJo | I see bad fonts in iceweasel...why? |
| 14:01.27 | NaVaJo | my englisch is not good |
| 14:01.29 | rrva | Vanpriest: what debian release? |
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| 14:01.44 | b_jonas | rrva: I'd guess etch, if it has iceweasel |
| 14:01.44 | Vanpriest | i am using 2.4.27 |
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| 14:01.52 | Absolute0 | why doesn't firefox to use its name in linux distros? |
| 14:01.58 | Absolute0 | thats just stupid... |
| 14:02.04 | Absolute0 | *want |
| 14:02.11 | hark | !why iceweasel |
| 14:02.12 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See #354622 for more information. |
| 14:02.12 | Vanpriest | rrva: 2.5.27 |
| 14:02.16 | Vanpriest | rrva: oops 2.4.27 |
| 14:02.18 | Mooi | Absolute0: in debian, firefox is named iceweasel, because of licensing |
| 14:02.26 | Absolute0 | ye i know |
| 14:02.32 | Absolute0 | its bon echo in archlinux |
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| 14:02.48 | Absolute0 | but what liscensing isnt it free software? |
| 14:02.49 | NaVaJo | I see bad fonts in iceweasel...why? please help me |
| 14:02.54 | Absolute0 | and even open source? |
| 14:03.00 | Sakunix | I have got 3dfx working now but my second monitor is still flickering any ideas? |
| 14:03.15 | Mooi | Absolute0: the source is, but the media is not |
| 14:03.23 | rrva | Vanpriest: aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-flavor --with-recommends |
| 14:03.46 | Mooi | Absolute0: media in the firefox's package is not open source. Stuff like icons and the design |
| 14:03.47 | Absolute0 | what media? |
| 14:03.53 | Absolute0 | oh ok... |
| 14:04.05 | Absolute0 | they should become all-open-source |
| 14:04.07 | crm_ | good question Mooi |
| 14:04.15 | Mooi | crm_: where? |
| 14:04.16 | Mooi | ;_) |
| 14:04.18 | rrva | Vanpriest: where flavor is {k7,686,amd64,...} |
| 14:04.18 | b_jonas | I thought it's a trademark issue |
| 14:04.23 | Sakunix | Absolute0: They did the same with games, quake2, q3 duke3d |
| 14:04.31 | crm_ | about the open source thing with opera |
| 14:04.37 | crm_ | err firefox |
| 14:04.39 | Mooi | did I ask it?;_) |
| 14:04.42 | Mooi | Opera pwns |
| 14:04.44 | Vanpriest | rrva: it said i cannot install because i need there libc which is dependant |
| 14:04.55 | crm_ | pwns? |
| 14:04.59 | Mooi | Sakunix: meh, these games suck. Take a look at sauerbraten.org, the best! |
| 14:05.00 | Vanpriest | rrva: and i cannot install libc bcuz of.. old kernel |
| 14:05.08 | Mooi | crm_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn |
| 14:05.21 | rrva | Vanpriest: hmm aptitude should resolve that dependency and install/upgrade/remove ... what did you use to upgrade? |
| 14:05.27 | crm_ | lol |
| 14:05.28 | Sakunix | Mooi I shall |
| 14:05.45 | Vanpriest | rrva: cuz i did a update nad upgrade always.. :s |
| 14:05.51 | Vanpriest | rrva: it update me old package.. |
| 14:05.53 | crm_ | i guess if the linux kernel (open source/gnu |
| 14:05.55 | Vanpriest | rrva>: i thought |
| 14:06.02 | Mooi | Sakunix: it is the best fps in my opinion. :) the graphics and media are improving every day |
| 14:06.03 | rrva | Vanpriest: with what tool? |
| 14:06.07 | crm_ | ) guys are not happy linking compiled binaries |
| 14:06.08 | Vanpriest | apt |
| 14:06.13 | Sakunix | moi that looks great |
| 14:06.16 | rrva | Vanpriest: ok, try aptitude |
| 14:06.18 | crm_ | then thats against free beer |
| 14:06.19 | Mooi | source is zlib-licensed, while media is not |
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| 14:06.30 | Mooi | Sakunix: that's only screenshots. you should see some of the maps :) |
| 14:06.42 | Sakunix | Mooi: Is there a win32 build for that so my mates can run it too? |
| 14:06.45 | rrva | Vanpriest: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 14:07.04 | Mooi | Sakunix: yes |
| 14:07.10 | Mooi | just check on the download links |
| 14:07.14 | Sakunix | Mooi: There is too thats cool |
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| 14:07.30 | torrr | how do I force the xserver to refresh? |
| 14:07.35 | Mooi | it is the best open source fps out there |
| 14:08.01 | Sakunix | Mooi: Looks v impressive I must say |
| 14:08.07 | row | how do you disable the bell in the shell? |
| 14:08.07 | griffbrad | torrr: You can restart x with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 14:08.35 | Mooi | torrr: if you're using gdm, /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 14:08.38 | torrr | griffbrad, and loose all my windows right? |
| 14:08.44 | griffbrad | torrr: Yeah. |
| 14:08.44 | Mooi | torrr: yes, lose them |
| 14:08.48 | Sakunix | Ok nvidia kernel module up and running, 3dfx *tick* two monitors, *frown * nothing any ideas? |
| 14:08.55 | torrr | griffbrad, it isn't stuck just ugly |
| 14:09.22 | b_jonas | the update to etch even fixed an annoying bug I had with icewm |
| 14:10.09 | griffbrad | torrr: Try minimizing and un-minimizing whatever window is messed up, perhaps? Some graphics apps (inkscape, dia, etc.) occassionally get odd rendering artifacts on them. |
| 14:10.31 | torrr | griffbrad, its the desktop "window" |
| 14:10.37 | Sakunix | My primary monitor is great, my second one is give me an epileptic seizure! any one know how to get dual monitors up and running? |
| 14:10.50 | griffbrad | torrr: If you're in GNOME, then, try "killall nautilus" |
| 14:11.04 | torrr | ok |
| 14:11.18 | Vanpriest | rrva: thanks buddy! |
| 14:11.23 | Vanpriest | rrva: problem is fixed for now :) |
| 14:11.39 | Mooi | Sakunix: what is your set up? |
| 14:11.44 | rrva | Vanpriest: the release notes contain good info |
| 14:12.13 | Sakunix | Mooi: FX5700 graphics card |
| 14:12.17 | Vanpriest | rrva: however i am afraid to go to 2.6 kernal. bcuz |
| 14:12.23 | Sakunix | current running etch |
| 14:12.25 | Vanpriest | rrva: i heard they got some porblem with the sata disk |
| 14:12.27 | hermogenes | Sakunix: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html |
| 14:12.28 | Vanpriest | rrva: do i am right? |
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| 14:12.37 | rrva | Vanpriest: no idea |
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| 14:13.04 | Mooi | should help ^^ |
| 14:13.04 | Sakunix | hermogenes : Will look into it |
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| 14:14.33 | Mooi | what about running dual 8800GTX through SLI and then another two PCI graphics cards at once? WOuld I be able to get like up to 8 DVI outputs?;-) |
| 14:14.58 | rambo3 | does anyone knwo workaround for this error : "/usr/include/c++/3.4/cstdlib:116: error: `::system' has not been declared" |
| 14:15.11 | Sakunix | hermogenes: this how-to is for xf86 etch using xorg-xserver going to be any issues you think? |
| 14:15.13 | rambo3 | g++ 4.1 and 3.4 |
| 14:15.37 | hermogenes | Sakunix: no |
| 14:15.46 | Sakunix | hermogenes: np thanks |
| 14:15.59 | Vanpriest | rrva: what is the differnet between kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:16.49 | rrva | symmetric multi processing support |
| 14:17.03 | rrva | multi-cpu systems |
| 14:17.42 | Vanpriest | rrva: what is the last 2.6 kernel STABLE? |
| 14:17.46 | Vanpriest | i will try to instal lit |
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| 14:17.57 | torrr | griffbrad, killing nautilus has retrieved the desktop, but the menus still leave artifacts once closed |
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| 14:18.21 | Mooi | Vanpriest: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 14:18.23 | rrva | Vanpriest: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.18 |
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| 14:18.45 | griffbrad | torrr: Sounds like something is messed up in your nautilus install, unfortunately. it must be hanging for some reason. |
| 14:18.57 | torrr | griffbrad, is there similar thing for the menus? I guess something that will kill, and resume the taskbar? |
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| 14:19.08 | griffbrad | torrr: killall gnome-panel |
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| 14:19.33 | Vanpriest | rrva: there no SMP version for linux-image-2.6.18? |
| 14:19.47 | Absolute0 | i borked around with xserver-session and now my X wont even start how do i get the default settings that are setup after running apt-get install xorg? |
| 14:19.48 | abrotman | they're all smp |
| 14:19.59 | Vanpriest | it come automatically with smp? |
| 14:20.01 | Vanpriest | oh |
| 14:20.07 | abrotman | Linux mycomp 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:20.23 | rrva | Vanpriest: i think smp is enabled by default now |
| 14:20.54 | reiser2 | hi |
| 14:20.54 | torrr | griffbrad, it restarted the gnome panel, but it didn't help the artifacts |
| 14:20.54 | torrr | griffbrad, I think it is from NX |
| 14:21.00 | griffbrad | torrr: Ah. I've never played with NX, but that makes sense. |
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| 14:23.03 | OwlEye | is there any recently known gnome brokenness on Sid? |
| 14:23.09 | Vanpriest | rrva: how can i get other url than ftp://ftp.us.debian.org for updating stable. iftp://ftp.us.debian.org is slow for me today. and timeout |
| 14:23.17 | Vanpriest | sometime |
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| 14:23.51 | naught101 | daaamn |
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| 14:24.02 | naught101 | anyone having problems upgrading python? |
| 14:24.12 | naught101 | it's locked my database |
| 14:24.13 | Sakunix | hermogenes: You miss understood me. My single graphics card has two outputs |
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| 14:24.41 | Sakunix | This how-to appears to be for systems with more than one graphics card in them |
| 14:24.50 | hark | OwlEye: it's sid! |
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| 14:25.24 | hermogenes | Sakunix: Xinerama works with that too |
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| 14:25.49 | NuKe_MaNia | my keyborad leds doesn't work on gnome-desktop but in console works fine |
| 14:25.49 | Sakunix | ok will keep on going with this |
| 14:26.09 | hermogenes | Sakunix: you just need to set the screens in xorg.conf to use the same card |
| 14:26.34 | Sakunix | none of the detection apps have picked it up |
| 14:26.52 | Sakunix | x -configure, dpgk-reconfigure both only picked up the one monitor |
| 14:27.00 | h3sp4wn | OwlEye: gnome rarely is complete and working in sid |
| 14:27.13 | python_ | does anyone have any experince backing up with partimage over a network? i am trying to but it has been failing on me, for the partimage command i am typing "partimage -z1 -d save -L -s192.168.1.100 /dev/hda1 /backupname" for the server i am typing partimaged -L -d /media/hdb4/backup" any ideas? |
| 14:27.17 | Sakunix | I don't think I would know where to start in manually adding them |
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| 14:27.26 | hermogenes | Sakunix: I will look for a more specific link to give you. wait a little bit |
| 14:27.39 | NaVaJo | I see bad fonts in iceweasel...why? please help me |
| 14:27.40 | Sakunix | hermogenes: You are a champion |
| 14:27.49 | Sakunix | will keep working at it |
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| 14:28.56 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
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| 14:29.15 | bush^class | when doing apt-get install quota on debian I get this return http://pastebin.ca/439746 |
| 14:29.16 | griffbrad | NaVaJo: On Yahoo!, for instance? |
| 14:29.28 | bush^class | I have quota user and group enabled on the disks I want it |
| 14:29.34 | hermogenes | Sakunix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773624 |
| 14:29.35 | Sakunix | hermogenes: How does this work for you, run X -configure once with only a single monitor pluged in then again with the other and merge the outputted xorg.conf files? |
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| 14:29.42 | perlmonkey | I'm in the process of setting up wifi support (my card is working fine now) but I am at the stage where I need a startup script for network, is that still the way things are done? |
| 14:29.53 | hermogenes | maybe this will make the issue more clear |
| 14:30.07 | Sakunix | checking it out now thanks |
| 14:30.13 | mithro | Whats the best way to upgrade a version of debian (from which you don't have physical access to) from 3.1 to 4.0? |
| 14:30.15 | python_ | does anyone hear use partimage? |
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| 14:30.48 | perlmonkey | hi abrotman |
| 14:30.58 | NaVaJo | griffbrad: yahoo is ok |
| 14:31.14 | hermogenes | Sakunix: basicaly, what you have to do is to tell Xorg that you have 2 screens and tell it to use the same card |
| 14:31.42 | naught101 | python2.3 isn't available for etch yet? |
| 14:32.14 | hermogenes | Sakunix: you have to add a new device entry for your other monitor and define a screen for it |
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| 14:32.48 | Vanpriest | whe ni try o install something it said E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 14:33.00 | abrotman_ | are you root ? |
| 14:33.03 | Vanpriest | yes |
| 14:33.17 | Vanpriest | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 14:33.18 | naught101 | are you running another apt program? |
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| 14:33.28 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 14:33.38 | perlmonkey | I'm in the process of setting up wifi support (my card is working fine now) but I am at the stage where I need a startup script for network, is that still the way things are done? |
| 14:33.55 | chiara | drgb ci sei?? |
| 14:33.55 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: are you using wpa or wep or none |
| 14:34.23 | perlmonkey | wpa |
| 14:34.40 | perlmonkey | I'm also using the rather funky acx100 dev driver |
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| 14:35.01 | Plouj | hi |
| 14:35.03 | perlmonkey | im reading a howto which says do not use interfaces, instead a custom start and stop script is required |
| 14:35.16 | naught101 | can someone please check #flood, and tell me what I need to do? dependancy problems |
| 14:35.23 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: ignore those |
| 14:35.31 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 14:35.35 | perlmonkey | ok i can still use the interfaces thats good |
| 14:35.41 | Plouj | do I need to fix anything if during 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I did Ctrl+c sometime after the long message about a reboot and I saw that someone failed to generate an initrd? |
| 14:35.51 | perlmonkey | h3sp4wn: many thanks |
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| 14:35.58 | h3sp4wn | perlmonkey: That howto is either very out of date or wrong |
| 14:36.08 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 14:36.19 | Vanpriest | how come apt-setup doesnt exist anymore.. how can i update source then?... |
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| 14:36.36 | griffbrad | Plouj: Try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 14:36.56 | flamebird | hey why does my etch installation suddenly slow down when I try to open home?! sometimes... and then becomes stable again! |
| 14:38.27 | perlmonkey | h3sp4wn: i dont seem to have that doc, do you know where it comes from/how to get it? |
| 14:38.54 | Vanpriest | the ftp.debian.org is kinda slow for me.. =S anone know where ican get more source. ? it from apt-setup before.. |
| 14:39.19 | Sakunix | hermogenes: followed it to the letter and having no screen found errors on startx command |
| 14:40.24 | alleyoopster | !mirrors |
| 14:40.24 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 14:40.33 | Plouj | ah, all I had to do is re-run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:40.35 | RvGaTe | you guys think i could safely go from etch to testing right now ? |
| 14:40.39 | Sakunix | hermogenes: Next step I think is to run dpkg-reconfigure or X -confifure with each monitor and copy the generated screen monitor sectsion from each and merge them |
| 14:40.51 | hermogenes | Sakunix: I need to see tour xorg.conf |
| 14:40.56 | hermogenes | your* |
| 14:41.21 | perlmonkey | I need /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 14:41.25 | Sakunix | hermogenes: going to fire it up with on the one monitor now |
| 14:41.44 | flamebird | anyone?!! |
| 14:41.59 | alleyoopster | Vanpriest: see dpkg regarding mirrors |
| 14:42.16 | perlmonkey | Ok i got it |
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| 14:44.46 | v0od0o | question |
| 14:44.59 | v0od0o | I am trying to make an initrd.img with 2 modules builtin |
| 14:45.08 | v0od0o | I edited the file /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 14:45.12 | v0od0o | and added md and raid1 |
| 14:45.25 | v0od0o | now when I run mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.8 2.6.8 |
| 14:45.30 | v0od0o | I get this errors |
| 14:45.34 | v0od0o | FATAL: Module md not found. |
| 14:45.34 | v0od0o | FATAL: Module raid1 not found. |
| 14:45.38 | v0od0o | why this ? |
| 14:45.53 | v0od0o | My kernel is compiled with those 2 modules built in |
| 14:46.07 | simonrvn | is the libc6 in sid safe? no bugs? checking the bts to make sure |
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| 14:46.33 | v0od0o | simonrvn, are you talking to me ? |
| 14:46.34 | Plouj | humm |
| 14:46.44 | Plouj | how do I install kernel headers for the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel? |
| 14:46.52 | Plouj | `apt-cache search kernel-headers|grep 2.6.18` finds nothing |
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| 14:46.59 | simonrvn | um, no |
| 14:46.59 | perlmonkey | where does apt put downloaded packages |
| 14:47.01 | v0od0o | are you on etch Plouj ? |
| 14:47.06 | Plouj | v0od0o: yup |
| 14:47.09 | Vanpriest | what is the header exaclty? |
| 14:47.16 | perlmonkey | my memory is shite |
| 14:47.21 | robin_sz | ooh, mirror borked? |
| 14:47.25 | simonrvn | i'm speaking to anyone that would know of any problems |
| 14:47.25 | Plouj | Vanpriest: the .h files! |
| 14:47.29 | Vanpriest | oh |
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| 14:47.36 | robin_sz | Err http://download.mirror.ac.uk etch/main apt-spy 3.1-16 |
| 14:47.36 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.01 | v0od0o | Plouj, do you know... if my kernel has modules md and raid1 builtin, the initrd made with mkinitrd will have those 2 modules builtin too ? |
| 14:48.27 | perlmonkey | wheres me package |
| 14:48.31 | Plouj | v0od0o: if mkinitrd uses yor kernel image, then yes |
| 14:48.37 | Sakunix | hermogenes: I have done the first of the two working xorg.conf files 5 mins and I'll have the other done |
| 14:48.45 | Plouj | v0od0o: I don't know how mkinitrd works |
| 14:49.00 | perlmonkey | c'mon, where does apt stuff deb packages its downloaded |
| 14:49.04 | naught101 | hrrm... it appears that I need to stop mailman to upgrade python.... |
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| 14:49.13 | Hotwire | robin_sz: i've had similar problems with mirror.ac.uk being outdated |
| 14:49.13 | perlmonkey | everyone should know this one |
| 14:49.19 | naught101 | but I need python to WORK to stop mailman... |
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| 14:49.45 | perlmonkey | fuk it |
| 14:49.48 | naught101 | Stopping Mailman master qrunner: mailmanctl/etc/init.d/mailman: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory. failed! |
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| 14:50.06 | abrotman | does /usr/bin/python exist ? |
| 14:50.13 | robin_sz | naught101, killall mailman? |
| 14:50.14 | naught101 | abrotman: |
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| 14:50.16 | naught101 | dunno |
| 14:50.24 | naught101 | good idea |
| 14:50.26 | griffbrad | perlmonkey: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 14:50.33 | simonrvn | abrotman: any reports of bad glibc upgrades for sid? |
| 14:50.35 | perlmonkey | griffbrad: many thanks |
| 14:50.41 | griffbrad | perlmonkey: np |
| 14:50.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: someone did something stupid last night and mixed |
| 14:50.48 | naught101 | robin_sz: no such process |
| 14:50.50 | simonrvn | don't see anything in bts |
| 14:51.19 | robin_sz | naught101, ps -aux | grep mail ? |
| 14:51.30 | abrotman | simonrvn: but that's the only i've seen |
| 14:51.32 | ooglaboogla | anyone know why evolution is 2.6.3 ? i can't seem to get the newest version, it's not listed in the package manager |
| 14:51.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: usual dist mix and glibc thing, or something else? |
| 14:51.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: what eerror ? |
| 14:51.45 | naught101 | abrotman: no, but /usr/bin/python2.4 does |
| 14:51.47 | abrotman | simonrvn: seemed to be distmix libc6 barfing :) |
| 14:51.51 | simonrvn | oh shit segfaulting |
| 14:51.53 | simonrvn | ok |
| 14:51.53 | abrotman | naught101: it should |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | $ ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2006-12-25 13:30 /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 |
| 14:52.12 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: whats a seg fault |
| 14:52.20 | simonrvn | !segfault |
| 14:52.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | naught101: sounds like someone has been screwing up your box |
| 14:52.26 | Vanpriest | how come when i try to install dpkg -i mysql-server-5.0_5.0.36-1_i386.deb, it always try to instal me the las version which is 38-1 |
| 14:52.26 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 14:52.26 | dpkg | methinks sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 14:52.31 | perlmonkey | phew doesnt sound good |
| 14:52.39 | jelly-home | ooglaboogla: debian doesn't always have latest version packages |
| 14:52.48 | jelly-home | s/s$/d/ |
| 14:52.50 | simonrvn | no it isn't :) |
| 14:53.05 | abrotman | seriously .. the bot needs to be cleaned up |
| 14:53.07 | abrotman | !windmodem |
| 14:53.09 | abrotman | !windmodems |
| 14:53.09 | dpkg | winmodems are invented by complete idiots that *want* software to emulate hardware. see cheap |
| 14:53.11 | abrotman | wind ? |
| 14:53.28 | naught101 | abrotman: yeah, my hosting company ;) |
| 14:53.36 | [Euclid] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.39 | simonrvn | i've been burned by bad glibc upgrades before, and luckily i knew how to deal with it, and hadn't quit aptitude this time ;) |
| 14:53.43 | abrotman | naught101: kick them .. in the head |
| 14:53.50 | abrotman | simonrvn: ewwww |
| 14:53.51 | naught101 | ln -s ./python2.4 python seemed to fix it though! |
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| 14:54.00 | abrotman | it will |
| 14:54.19 | simonrvn | i even have a page up on what i did last time on my site |
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| 14:54.55 | Vanpriest | how come when i try to install dpkg -i mysql-server-5.0_5.0.36-1_i386.deb, it always try to instal me the las version which is 38-1 |
| 14:55.14 | Vanpriest | actually i cannot stop mysql server.. |
| 14:55.23 | Vanpriest | it stucked on stopping mysql database server: mysqld... |
| 14:55.27 | Vanpriest | and mysql isnt even runnin |
| 14:55.39 | simonrvn | and stucked isn't even a word ;p |
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| 14:56.00 | simonrvn | sorry couldn't resist |
| 14:56.01 | Vanpriest | XD lol |
| 14:56.04 | Vanpriest | sorry |
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| 14:56.44 | pablo_ | hi, i changed my system shared memory with the graphic card and suddenly the system is very slow |
| 14:56.53 | naught101 | sweeeeet |
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| 14:57.10 | simonrvn | well, i would let it install the 38-1 unless you have a good reason to install yours, like yours has the fixes |
| 14:57.27 | Vanpriest | i am wrong actually it let me install but it dont want to stop mysql.. |
| 14:57.35 | Vanpriest | so it cannot proccess to the installation.. |
| 14:57.36 | naught101 | how do I find out what version of debian I'm running? |
| 14:57.49 | Vanpriest | i even tried to shut it manually trought ./mysql stop |
| 14:57.49 | simonrvn | so stop it ahead of time, that package won't choke on that |
| 14:58.43 | pablo_ | hi, i changed my system shared memory with the graphic card and suddenly the system is very slow |
| 14:59.11 | griffbrad | naught101: cat /proc/version |
| 14:59.35 | cahoot | griffbrad: would give kernel version |
| 14:59.36 | asg | naught101: /msg dpkg version |
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| 15:00.43 | bzed | pablo_: wait at least 10 minutes before you repeat your question again please |
| 15:00.45 | griffbrad | cahoot: And debian version, typically. Distros have their own mechanisms, like /etc/debian_version, but I find the more neutral methods more beneficial, personally. |
| 15:00.57 | simonrvn | ok, well, i'll let the upgrade happen on my workstation... |
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| 15:01.50 | kuhwallskee | I have an ethernet connection and I'm trying to nat it out over a wireless interface, can anyone help point me in the right direction? If I can figure out how to set up the wireless card I will be good. Do I just set it up to work in Ad-hoc and then set my own ess id and stuff like that or what? |
| 15:02.02 | cahoot | griffbrad: unless a custom kernel - no? |
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| 15:02.20 | griffbrad | cahoot: True. Good point. |
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| 15:02.49 | cahoot | griffbrad: not really just trying to save face ;) |
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| 15:03.47 | simonrvn | must've not seen them but there are, i was right to be paranoid: grave bugs of libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13 -> 2.5-1) <forwarded> #419225 - segfault on some kind of printf critical bugs of libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13 -> 2.5-1) <pending> #419189 - Error on installing libc6 2.5-1 - breaks system |
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| 15:05.15 | [Euclid] | Anyone ever have troubles with USB and TiLP? I'm really eager to figure this out. |
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| 15:07.32 | mfrisch | [Euclid]: what does lsusb say? |
| 15:07.35 | Sakunix | I wish linux was easy to setup I have now spend 2 hours attempitng to get dual monitors to work |
| 15:08.05 | mfrisch | Sakunix: that is no time! |
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| 15:08.36 | griffbrad | And thankfully the next xorg release should finally take care of that kind of problem. |
| 15:08.40 | Sakunix | mfrisch: I know but what infuriates me is that I can do this task in windows in under 3 minutes |
| 15:08.48 | piper69 | i can't write a script and save it unless i am a root. why? |
| 15:09.01 | [Euclid] | mfrisch: All ID's on the 4 busses are 0 |
| 15:09.03 | Sakunix | griffbrad: You are right I am glad of that |
| 15:09.11 | griffbrad | piper69: You can write a script as any user. |
| 15:09.31 | piper69 | griffbrad: but can't save it or excute it |
| 15:09.35 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 15:09.37 | dvs | piper69: you don't have permission to write in the directory you're saving it to? |
| 15:09.52 | Mazingaro | is there a way to boot debian for a diskless client? |
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| 15:09.58 | mfrisch | Sakunix: are you doing something like this http://aufrecht.org/blog/one-entry?entry_id=23251 |
| 15:10.10 | piper69 | dvs: i am very confused , i did chmod 777 |
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| 15:10.45 | simonrvn | chmod 777 rarely fixes anything... |
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| 15:10.58 | piper69 | how can i give piper69 permission to that folder |
| 15:11.03 | Sakunix | mfrisch: something similar |
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| 15:11.17 | Sakunix | mfrisch: two monitors, one graphics card |
| 15:11.28 | simonrvn | use group perms for one thing |
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| 15:12.16 | piper69 | simonrvn: can you please show me , i have been reading and it;s all piellled on my head i can think anymore |
| 15:12.25 | cahoot | Sakunix: that's a point for nvidias drivers - makes it quite easy to accomplish |
| 15:12.40 | Sakunix | mfrisch: I worked it out in the end by doing a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with 1) Dell monitor in VGA, shutdown 2) compq on dvi |
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| 15:12.56 | mfrisch | Sakunix: never did it. http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/10/05/025207 |
| 15:13.02 | Sakunix | then wiht the two outputted xorg.conf files I concatanacted them and modded them till it worked |
| 15:13.07 | Sakunix | I got it now |
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| 15:13.24 | Sakunix | cahoot: The nvidia driver was 30 seconds to compile and install |
| 15:13.31 | Sakunix | cahoot: I am v impressed |
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| 15:14.02 | simonrvn | piper69: it's not exactly hard, just use same group (make one if needed), and chmod 775 chmod 664/660 instead of the usual 755 and 64X |
| 15:14.26 | Sakunix | mfrisch: These are all for systems with more than one graphics card in them |
| 15:14.27 | simonrvn | a lot better than opening up your systems to the world like that... |
| 15:14.45 | simonrvn | and use setgid if you need to, sets the group |
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| 15:15.02 | Sakunix | mfrisch: I have one graphics card, one busId but two connectors on it a VGA and a DVI |
| 15:15.09 | simonrvn | just basic unix stuff, really |
| 15:15.16 | Sakunix | I have managed to get it to work now |
| 15:15.20 | Trewas | new xrandr in xorg 7.3 is supposed to make multi-monitor setups a lot easier |
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| 15:15.33 | mfrisch | Sakunix: cool. |
| 15:15.35 | Trewas | not that it helps anyone now :) |
| 15:16.07 | Sakunix | mfrisch: what made it difficult was the fact the OS could only detect one monitor plugged into the device at a time |
| 15:16.44 | mfrisch | Sakunix: I don't think that is a standard way of doing it...most people do the two vga cards |
| 15:16.45 | Sakunix | mfrisch: took me a while to work out had to configure each seperatly then combine the xorg.conf files together and both now work similtaniously |
| 15:16.54 | Sakunix | mfrisch: I know |
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| 15:17.31 | Sakunix | mfrisch: I have a graphics card that had two outputs so the gaulet was set so to speak, (I mean I have multi-headed under windows with it, why cant debian do it) |
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| 15:17.53 | ArtVandalae | Hi. With FFMPEG, I'm trying to convert from something+mp3, to flv. But there's no sound. Is it because mp3 transcoding has been stripped, or because flv encoding sucks? |
| 15:18.27 | ugly | is there a vnc or similar program that allows remote control of Windows computers? something like a cross-platform PcAnywhere, I guess |
| 15:18.43 | Trewas | mfrisch: I would guess there are much more people using two monitors with one graphics card (they all have two monitor outputs anyway) than with two separate cards |
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| 15:19.31 | mfrisch | Trewas: probally. but using vga and dvi is different. kinda a hack. |
| 15:19.32 | ArtVandalae | ugly, VNC :) |
| 15:19.40 | ugly | nm, found one - rdesktop |
| 15:19.54 | ArtVandalae | Oh yeah, RDP is a fantastic protocol |
| 15:19.56 | mfrisch | ugly: remote desktop work for windows machines on linux |
| 15:20.12 | ArtVandalae | RDP >> VNC, IMO |
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| 15:20.26 | asg | rdesktop is currently broken in etch, btw |
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| 15:20.35 | robin_sz | ick |
| 15:20.40 | ugly | asg: ok |
| 15:20.46 | Trewas | mfrisch: I don't know why it would be a hack if vga and dvi are really separate ports, like my 6600gt |
| 15:21.00 | robin_sz | its amazing how much is broken now we are stable :) |
| 15:21.02 | asg | ugly: if you want to use it, you'll have to backrev libx11-6 (get it from snapshots.debian.net) |
| 15:21.20 | asg | robin_sz: yeah |
| 15:21.27 | crm_ | can someone please tell me how i check for hdds? |
| 15:21.29 | mfrisch | Trewas: for the X server to do it. kinda. |
| 15:21.35 | Sakunix | How is a screen resolution set? Can't use the gui to do it for some reason? |
| 15:21.39 | ArtVandalae | crm_, how to check for them? |
| 15:21.39 | ugly | asg: thanks |
| 15:21.45 | ArtVandalae | crm_, check dmesg output |
| 15:21.45 | crm_ | i just plugged in a usb hdd and want to see if the system recognises it |
| 15:21.59 | ArtVandalae | crm_, it'll most likely be under /dev/sd* |
| 15:22.05 | ArtVandalae | crm_, dmesg |
| 15:22.09 | mfrisch | crm_: dmesg |grep sd |
| 15:22.10 | hark | crm_: dmesg |
| 15:22.42 | Trewas | mfrisch: well, it certainly took some heavy cursing to get it working right :) |
| 15:22.59 | crm_ | hark.. it doesnt like ntfs... |
| 15:23.14 | crm_ | or.. doesn |
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| 15:23.20 | crm_ | t think the fs format is |
| 15:23.29 | mfrisch | Trewas: you should redo the debian md5 for Xconf |
| 15:23.34 | hark | it would work for ntfs too |
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| 15:24.04 | crm_ | so how do i mount it Hark? |
| 15:24.04 | Crackers`n`Soup | anyone familure with installing madwifi? it compiled fine but when i modprobe ath_pci it say module not found, but recompiling madwifi complians its already built, How can i tell if the problem is with my kernel build or with madwifi? |
| 15:24.41 | robin_sz | asg, on the subject of which, how can I re-install a package completely without removing the dependencies? mod_perl for apache2 broke during the dist-upgrade |
| 15:24.45 | hark | hal gnome-volume-manager pmount |
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| 15:24.58 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: you should have used module-assistant to build a deb for the kernel module |
| 15:25.18 | hark | crm_: or /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:25.40 | asg | robin_sz: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 15:25.48 | Crackers`n`Soup | mfrisch: really? i didnt last time and it went fine, ill give it a try |
| 15:26.15 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: uhm it is already on your box (broken) |
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| 15:26.39 | Crackers`n`Soup | er? |
| 15:26.51 | crm_ | hark.. when i can do h<tab> .. i will speak more with you |
| 15:26.55 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: switch back to the old kernel then rebuild the mod with module-assistant |
| 15:26.55 | robin_sz | asg, trying ... |
| 15:27.30 | Crackers`n`Soup | no old kernel left on this box (and it was my other laptop i did the working build on) |
| 15:27.52 | lord_rob | When I log to my distant PC using ssh -X then start iceweasel, but also have a local iceweasel running, a second window of the local Iceweasel is opened instead of starting displaying a distant iceweasel. How can I force display a local iceweasel and a distant one ? |
| 15:27.53 | robin_sz | asg, nah, still failed ... quite an omission on a supposedly production stable platform |
| 15:28.09 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: apt-get a new one or put the kernel deb on a flash disk? |
| 15:28.40 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: you need the madwifi-source package too. |
| 15:28.47 | Crackers`n`Soup | I have the source |
| 15:29.07 | Crackers`n`Soup | why would i need a new kernel? |
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| 15:29.36 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: maybe I misunderstood..did you install the kernel module? |
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| 15:29.59 | Crackers`n`Soup | mfrisch: the module will not load (cause modprobe says its not found) |
| 15:30.10 | Crackers`n`Soup | but madwifi built with no errors |
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| 15:30.57 | RvGaTe | Is there a way to sinc the calender within evolution with my mobile phone? (Samsung X700) |
| 15:31.04 | Sakunix | using Xinerama now therefore xrandr for changing screen resolution is disabled, how do I change my resolution? |
| 15:31.08 | piper69 | how can i change the owner of a folder please |
| 15:31.13 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: it needs to be build (the kernel module use module-assistant) and the userland programs could have been apt-getted |
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| 15:31.22 | Crackers`n`Soup | so i dunno if the preoblem is madwifi or the kernel (2.6.18-4) |
| 15:32.07 | Sakunix | piper69: as a privelledged user or root chown -R <user>:<group> </foo/bar/location> |
| 15:32.07 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: neither you don't get it...madwifi is NOT in the stock kernel! |
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| 15:32.38 | biz | hello, is there a firefox plugin available that is helpful on small gallery sites with eg. 10 thumbnails, each one linking the full size picture that can be used like 'open all links to *.jpg on current page in tabs'? |
| 15:32.38 | Crackers`n`Soup | mfrisch: duh, I recompiled the kernel too |
| 15:33.03 | Crackers`n`Soup | ive done this before, its just that I dunno how to check where i messed up the process |
| 15:33.19 | mfrisch | Crackers`n`Soup: it would have been alot easier just to compile the module..a lot could be wrong man. |
| 15:33.49 | asg | robin_sz: failed in what way? |
| 15:34.54 | asg | robin_sz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-apache2 might have some bits you need to do |
| 15:35.10 | Sakunix | anyone know how to set screen resolution on multihead systems on the command line? |
| 15:35.30 | robin_sz | asg, doubt it ... perl -e 'use Apache2.pm' doesnt find it in @INC |
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| 15:36.22 | asg | robin_sz: did you upgrade using aptitude as suggested in the update document or just using apt-get? |
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| 15:36.47 | robin_sz | apt-get |
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| 15:37.29 | asg | robin_sz: apt-get's dependancy checking is not as good as aptitude's. You might want to review the recommends and suggests lines of the apache2 or mod_perl package and verify you have the requisite pices. |
| 15:38.02 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with tftp server to boot |
| 15:38.17 | robin_sz | asg, oh, it installs it (or atl east claims to install it) but it puts it inthe worng place |
| 15:38.19 | Mazingaro | tftp server does not support the tsize option |
| 15:38.46 | intruder | isnt this a myth that aptitude dependancy checking is better ? |
| 15:38.49 | robin_sz | asg, anyway, I filed a bug |
| 15:38.54 | intruder | how come it is possible |
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| 15:39.19 | Blissex | intruder: on dependency checking it is worse than 'apt-get', but Aptitude is so much better on other things that it is a minor issue. |
| 15:39.30 | robin_sz | dunno, i dont use aptitude anyway, I use apt-get so its irrelevant |
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| 15:39.34 | intruder | hrm |
| 15:40.23 | jetscreamer | so ppl in england have seen all of sg1 season 10 and it's just now coming on in the us? |
| 15:40.37 | jetscreamer | how's that for on-topic |
| 15:40.44 | robin_sz | sg1? |
| 15:40.51 | jetscreamer | stargate sg1 |
| 15:40.58 | robin_sz | never heard of it |
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| 15:41.19 | jetscreamer | strange |
| 15:41.33 | pickcoder | been watching it since season 1 |
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| 15:41.41 | jetscreamer | you've heard of star trek i hope? |
| 15:41.46 | robin_sz | yes |
| 15:41.47 | pickcoder | still love the movie |
| 15:41.48 | hark | haha |
| 15:41.59 | jetscreamer | ah ok you do have a pulse at least.. :) |
| 15:42.02 | robin_sz | popular sci fi from the late 60s early 70s? |
| 15:42.06 | pickcoder | robin_sz: it's only been on since 1996 |
| 15:42.08 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:42.25 | ASdfF | how do you set samba share passwords? |
| 15:42.34 | robin_sz | pickcoder, ah, I havent had a TV recently, that might explain it |
| 15:42.39 | RvGaTe | anyone? |
| 15:42.41 | pickcoder | in 10 years? |
| 15:42.43 | pickcoder | heh |
| 15:42.57 | pickcoder | it's moved around from SciFi to Fox and back |
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| 15:43.11 | pickcoder | now there's a spin-off called Stargate Atlantis |
| 15:43.12 | robin_sz | pickcoder, probably 12 years or more now ... |
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| 15:43.23 | jetscreamer | i hate tv myself |
| 15:43.55 | jetscreamer | apparently the entire season 10 has been seen in eng though. |
| 15:44.14 | pickcoder | it's time for SG-1 to go off air.. they're starting to pull X-Files crap with the scripts |
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| 15:44.23 | robin_sz | I don't hate it .. but having worked for a TV station for 15 years, I can do without it |
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| 15:45.08 | hark | RvGaTe: no |
| 15:45.25 | jetscreamer | http://www.numediasoft.com/Downloads.aspx |
| 15:45.34 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 15:45.35 | jetscreamer | ops |
| 15:45.46 | jetscreamer | oops rather |
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| 15:46.01 | jetscreamer | wrong channel |
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| 15:46.27 | Crackers`n`Soup | pickcoder: they are going off air, and yea S10 is already all over the net |
| 15:46.35 | robin_sz | asg, apache2 ends up in /usr/lib/perl5/Bundle/Apache2.pm which is not the right place |
| 15:46.35 | spawn57 | has etch been tagged as 'stable' in the repositories yet? |
| 15:46.50 | ASdfF | how do you set samba share passwords? |
| 15:47.02 | robin_sz | ASdfF, you dont |
| 15:47.05 | h3sp4wn | spawn57: yes |
| 15:47.13 | pickcoder | Crackers`n`Soup: I know. One of the new season episodes just came on |
| 15:47.24 | robin_sz | ASdfF, users have passwords, not shares |
| 15:47.27 | spawn57 | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 15:47.31 | ArtVandalae | ASdfF, you give users access to shares |
| 15:47.35 | Crackers`n`Soup | pickcoder: yea friday was the first airing of the last season |
| 15:47.52 | jetscreamer | Crackers`n`Soup: in the us... but apparently england has seen it all |
| 15:47.57 | pickcoder | Richard Dean Anderson has to be getting tired of the show |
| 15:48.02 | ASdfF | ArtVandalae umm how |
| 15:48.07 | ASdfF | i dont get it |
| 15:48.21 | Crackers`n`Soup | jetscreamer: yes they have, it happens like that with all of scifi's shows |
| 15:48.25 | robin_sz | ASdfF, try smbpasswd to set the password of a user |
| 15:48.31 | ArtVandalae | ASdfF, well you create a share. Then set public = no, set write list = user1, user2, user3 |
| 15:48.41 | jetscreamer | nobody tells me anything |
| 15:48.55 | ArtVandalae | then create user1, user2, user3, using: smbpasswd -a user1, smbpasswd -a user2, etc |
| 15:49.01 | ASdfF | ohh |
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| 15:49.22 | ASdfF | ArtVandalae is there also a "read list" |
| 15:49.38 | robin_sz | ASdfF, tried SWAT? |
| 15:49.51 | ASdfF | dont have GUI installed |
| 15:49.57 | robin_sz | ? |
| 15:50.12 | robin_sz | its a WEB enabled thing |
| 15:50.13 | ASdfF | aaa |
| 15:50.15 | ASdfF | should probably install it |
| 15:50.40 | robin_sz | useful for people who cant RTFM to set it up from the config file :) |
| 15:51.14 | crm_ | [o] |
| 15:51.17 | ASdfF | i already had it running |
| 15:51.20 | spawn57 | weird even whenI do an update, there's nothing to update |
| 15:51.39 | jetscreamer | oh is that what swat does? web interface for configuring samba? |
| 15:51.42 | ASdfF | what are my SWAT password? |
| 15:51.50 | spawn57 | jetscreamer: yeah |
| 15:51.53 | liable | roots |
| 15:51.55 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 15:51.57 | h3sp4wn | Has anyone noticed a patch for samba 2 (to enable NTLMv2) incidently ? |
| 15:52.01 | ASdfF | ok |
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| 15:52.58 | rpourritue | is there a utility that will allow on to identify the devices in an md array by something like blinking the lights on a certain drive? |
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| 15:53.53 | liable | heh |
| 15:53.58 | Sakunix | h3sp4wn: I was speaking to my neighbour yesterday he noticed it |
| 15:54.36 | h3sp4wn | Sakunix: for version 2 of samba (probably from a nas device vendor) |
| 15:54.39 | h3sp4wn | ? |
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| 15:55.50 | Sakunix | h3sp4wn: I believe he stumbled across it while playing with a FreeNAS instalation yes |
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| 15:56.16 | ASdfF | NICE JOB |
| 15:56.18 | jetscreamer | rpourritue: there is some led stuff in the kernel but i have no idea what it's really used for |
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| 15:56.22 | ASdfF | i banned myself from swat :D |
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| 15:56.55 | h3sp4wn | Sakunix: No ideas as to where it might be ? |
| 15:56.58 | robin_sz | ASdfF, within so few minutes? |
| 15:57.04 | ASdfF | yea :D |
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| 15:57.12 | ASdfF | well its ok |
| 15:57.26 | robin_sz | talented |
| 15:57.41 | Sakunix | h3sp4wn: No mate couldn't tell you, its a little late to ask him now 2am and all, I will ask tmr and try get back to you thouhg |
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| 15:57.58 | h3sp4wn | Sakunix: thanks |
| 15:58.01 | ArtVandalae | what apt tool do I use to rebuild debian source packages? |
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| 15:58.29 | h3sp4wn | ArtVandalae: I would use pbuilder |
| 15:58.36 | robin_sz | ArtVandalae, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:58.54 | h3sp4wn | ArtVandalae: You could use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild though |
| 15:59.23 | Mark_Iron | Hi .. one etch 4.0 question .. can I use the hardware RAID-support of ASUS P5B Deluxe Board under etch 4.0 ? |
| 15:59.38 | ArtVandalae | But these assume I already had to have downloaded the source files. Is there something along the lines of apt-get --build or something? |
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| 16:00.23 | robin_sz | sigh ... I knew upgrading from Sarge to Etch on the production machine was a mistake ... 3 days now and we don't have access to our RT queues |
| 16:00.30 | Vanpriest | i have update mysql to an newest unstable version .. how can i put the sql server to the stable»6 |
| 16:01.33 | ArtVandalae | nvm guys, I found apt-get -s |
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| 16:03.01 | Insolit | hi all |
| 16:03.03 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: always wait for the first service pack to come out... :) |
| 16:03.21 | Insolit | how can i have kernel 2.6.19 and have no headers for this version? |
| 16:03.30 | jetscreamer | 2.6.19? |
| 16:03.32 | jetscreamer | you don't |
| 16:03.44 | jetscreamer | but headers are a seperate package |
| 16:03.50 | robin_sz | jetscreamer, yeah, I figured 2 years of testing should have been enough. Mea Culpa |
| 16:03.52 | Insolit | linux-image 2.6.19 |
| 16:03.56 | Insolit | that's what i have |
| 16:04.30 | jetscreamer | i don't believe it! (seriously wtf) |
| 16:04.37 | jetscreamer | well |
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| 16:04.51 | jetscreamer | you compiled some dev version from kernel.org? |
| 16:05.02 | Insolit | no |
| 16:05.03 | jetscreamer | there is .18 and .20 in sid atm |
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| 16:05.18 | elhim | lo |
| 16:05.20 | jetscreamer | even are release, odd are dev/non-production |
| 16:05.25 | jetscreamer | version #'s |
| 16:05.30 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 16:05.36 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: not sture |
| 16:05.42 | h3sp4wn | s/sture/true |
| 16:06.00 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: yeah i got the true word... ok i believe, could you explain what i think i thought? |
| 16:06.24 | elhim | doods, how would i go about replacing alsa compiled into the kernel with a version i compiled myself? do i have to recompile the kernel? |
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| 16:06.40 | Vanpriest | is it possible to put mysql-server unstabvle to stable versioN? |
| 16:06.50 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: with 2.6.X odd and even are the same |
| 16:06.52 | jetscreamer | yes elhim , or 'maybe' use the alsa-source but i dunno |
| 16:06.59 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 16:07.01 | Crackers`n`Soup | anyone familure with installing madwifi? it compiled fine but when i mis there some way to poke a module to see why it can not be found even tho its in modules.dep? |
| 16:07.04 | xingu | robin_sz: you are upgrading your copy-of-live lab system there right? ;) |
| 16:07.05 | cahoot | elhim: not if they are modules |
| 16:07.10 | Crackers`n`Soup | bah oops |
| 16:07.14 | elhim | cahoot: not if what are modules? |
| 16:07.20 | jetscreamer | same as what |
| 16:07.22 | robin_sz | xingu, you wish |
| 16:07.26 | xingu | robin_sz: say, was it you that had the power hungy p4 notebook with no speedstep? |
| 16:07.28 | cahoot | elhim: alsa |
| 16:07.28 | ArtVandalae | Vanpriest, if you mnea getting mysql-server from unstable (sid) for your stable (etch) machine, then yes there is a way |
| 16:07.43 | xingu | s/hungy/hungry/ |
| 16:07.48 | elhim | cahoot: well the drivers coming with my kernel are modules, yes... |
| 16:07.52 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: they are all considered (somewhat) stable |
| 16:07.55 | stew | Vanpriest: what does 5.0.38 have that 5.0.32 doesn't? |
| 16:07.56 | elhim | cahoot: is that what you mean? |
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| 16:08.03 | cahoot | elhim: yes |
| 16:08.04 | xingu | although hungy ought to be a word too - as in the remote server is looking a little hungy |
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| 16:08.16 | robin_sz | xingu, ummm ... not certain .. I have a P4 laptop ... no idea if it speedsteps or not. |
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| 16:08.39 | spawn57 | what version of debian i'm using? |
| 16:08.43 | cahoot | elhim: unless there is a major version difference needing a newer libasound |
| 16:08.52 | robin_sz | spawn57, wait, I'll get my crystal ball |
| 16:09.00 | xingu | robin_sz: there was one of the weekend crew around these parts that had issues with thermal shutdowns and wound up having to use cpudynd and t-states throttling; if it's you, you'd know. :) |
| 16:09.07 | elhim | cahoot: ic thanks |
| 16:09.09 | jetscreamer | ah so he compiled 2.6.18 with a patch? |
| 16:09.10 | spawn57 | robin_sz: go for it =P |
| 16:09.26 | stew | spawn57: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" report for "Installed:" ? |
| 16:09.26 | jetscreamer | http://kernel.org/ |
| 16:09.36 | robin_sz | spawn57, you are using ... mmm ... Ubuntu! |
| 16:09.47 | spawn57 | desktop, yeah server is debian |
| 16:10.16 | spawn57 | stew: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
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| 16:10.34 | stew | spawn57: you are running sarge aka 3.1 aka 'oldstable' |
| 16:10.34 | spawn57 | grr, why is it showing sarge, why won't it upgrade to etch. |
| 16:10.57 | stew | spawn57: how did you try to upgrade to etch? are you following the release notes? |
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| 16:11.01 | robin_sz | spawn57, what does your apt-sources.list point to? |
| 16:11.06 | Vanpriest | stew: i cannot stop mysql with 38.. |
| 16:11.16 | stew | Vanpriest: why not? |
| 16:11.21 | spawn57 | it's pointing to etch |
| 16:11.27 | spawn57 | um |
| 16:11.28 | spawn57 | stabl |
| 16:11.30 | spawn57 | stable |
| 16:11.45 | stew | spawn57: follow the procedure in the release notes. chapter 4 |
| 16:11.53 | spawn57 | stew: alrighty |
| 16:12.20 | rahul | shit |
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| 16:12.31 | xingu | robin_sz: aaanyway, to cut a long story short, speedstep-centrino is deprecated anyway; it's been replaced by acpi-cpufreq which supports all the stuff the centrino one does (centrino msr twiddling for low power sleep) as well as acpi p-states throttling |
| 16:12.32 | ArtVandalae | Where can I get non-free ffmpeg rebuilds for Etch? I mean if repos are still around, I remember there were a few in teh Woody days |
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| 16:12.35 | rahul | the waitress got me to promise I'd be back today at 6 |
| 16:12.37 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 16:12.54 | rahul | women ain't nothin but trouble. |
| 16:12.57 | numan_ | hello all |
| 16:13.06 | bintut | i just installed debian etch.. what do you think i missed that i don't have a /proc/acpi/ directory? |
| 16:13.15 | xingu | robin_sz: if it is you that has that beast, I'd suggest you give acpi-cpufreq a go; because the p-states throttling bit may well get it under control a bit better than just t-states will. |
| 16:13.21 | rahul | bintut: you didn't load the acpi support modules |
| 16:13.22 | stew | bintut: mount /proc ; modprobe acpi ? |
| 16:13.24 | perlmonkey | how can I tell if a package is installed |
| 16:13.35 | ASdfF | well wtf |
| 16:13.35 | rahul | perlmonkey: dpkg -i <package>? |
| 16:13.37 | ASdfF | this SWAT |
| 16:13.39 | ASdfF | its stupid |
| 16:13.40 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 16:13.41 | robin_sz | xingu, I dont think its me ... |
| 16:13.44 | ASdfF | you cannot make users with SWAT |
| 16:13.44 | stew | perlmonkey: "apt-cache policy packagename" and look at Installed: |
| 16:13.46 | rahul | !swat ASdfF |
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| 16:14.12 | bintut | rahul: like what? acpid and acpi-support runs by default during bootup |
| 16:14.14 | rahul | er, dpkg -l would do it better, but policy is more interesting |
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| 16:14.24 | stew | better? |
| 16:14.29 | rahul | bintut: you need the kernel modules |
| 16:14.40 | rahul | stew: depending on what exact info you wanted |
| 16:14.50 | rahul | better than dpkg -i for sure :P |
| 16:14.54 | bintut | rahul: you mean, it's not included by default on the debian stock kernel? |
| 16:15.08 | perlmonkey | I'm having major headaches getting WPA to work with my acx100 card :-/ |
| 16:15.15 | rahul | bintut: no idea. I hear they do everything in modules, so "included by default" is meaningless |
| 16:15.33 | robin_sz | ASdfF, swat is great for click and drool monleys who cant be arsed to RTFM, if you find SWAT too hard for you, consider getting someone older to help you, or ask your mom. |
| 16:15.33 | rahul | perlmonkey: I hear that some keys just don't work in linux |
| 16:15.41 | bintut | rahul: thanks.. i'll try to research on this.. |
| 16:15.47 | rahul | !your mom robin_sz |
| 16:15.59 | rahul | hrm |
| 16:16.15 | perlmonkey | even ping doesn't work :( |
| 16:16.24 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 16:16.27 | robin_sz | !doesn't work |
| 16:16.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:16.29 | jelly-home | great, can we sink any lower than 'your mom' jokes? |
| 16:16.38 | rahul | jelly-home: hrm, I'll try |
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| 16:16.54 | perlmonkey | rahul: if my key doesnt work/im not authenticated I still should be able to ping local IPs? |
| 16:17.01 | jetscreamer | oh. Prior to the Linux 2.6.x series, even numbers indicate a stable release, i.e. one that is deemed fit for production use, such as 1.2, 2.4 or 2.6. Odd numbers have historically been development releases, such as 1.1 or 2.5. |
| 16:17.05 | numan | how to edit grub menu list? |
| 16:17.16 | jetscreamer | Starting with the Linux 2.6.x series, there is no significance to even or odd numbers, with new feature development going on in the same kernel series |
| 16:17.17 | robin_sz | numan, vi, nano? |
| 16:17.25 | jetscreamer | i was WRUNG |
| 16:17.26 | rahul | uh |
| 16:17.32 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: today, there is no stable kernel! :-) |
| 16:17.33 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
| 16:17.39 | rahul | perlmonkey: if you can't access the network, should you be able to send a packet? |
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| 16:17.46 | rahul | let alone receive |
| 16:17.48 | spawn57 | strange, my sources.list points to stable but even after I do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, it doesn't show any new packages to upgrade |
| 16:17.50 | perlmonkey | numan: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 16:17.56 | Insolit | could someone pls tell me again how to check my debian version? |
| 16:18.03 | rahul | !kernel of instability |
| 16:18.03 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 16:18.04 | Insolit | not sure of what build of ati to make |
| 16:18.07 | jetscreamer | spawn57: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:18.15 | spawn57 | jetscreamer: same thing, nothing to upgrade |
| 16:18.27 | Insolit | guys how do you install ati drivers in debian? |
| 16:18.31 | RvGaTe | Just wondering, is it possible to "share" an .iso on the network, and use that to install a computer using the network boot option? |
| 16:18.32 | perlmonkey | rahul: was a silly question wasn't it |
| 16:18.37 | lord_rob | Insolit: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:18.39 | rahul | spawn57: maybe you have a poop mirror |
| 16:18.39 | perlmonkey | heh |
| 16:18.45 | rahul | perlmonkey: :) |
| 16:18.53 | Insolit | lord_rob: 4.0 |
| 16:19.01 | rahul | RvGaTe: why would you make it so difficult? |
| 16:19.06 | Insolit | lord_rob: that does not tell me if, sarge, stable, etch... |
| 16:19.10 | spawn57 | rahul: i have two different servers, one of them is http://ftp.debian.org/ |
| 16:19.10 | lord_rob | Insolit: this is your debian version |
| 16:19.14 | rahul | RvGaTe: read the install doc. it talks about netboot. |
| 16:19.17 | RvGaTe | rahul, i like going on adventures |
| 16:19.19 | perlmonkey | I had a feeling this would not go smoothly |
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| 16:19.29 | threw | hi all ! |
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| 16:19.32 | RvGaTe | rahul, install doc of what? |
| 16:19.33 | lord_rob | Insolit: etch is 4.0 |
| 16:19.37 | jetscreamer | Insolit: cat /etc/apt/sources.list then |
| 16:19.44 | quarkhead | id like to install a second networkcard in my debian machine, i use it as a webserver for now, but i want to use it in front of my windows machine as a router/firewall, i have put the card into the machine, how do i configure debian to use eth1 in addition to eth0 and how do i setup eth0 as a gateway for eth1? |
| 16:19.45 | rahul | RvGaTe: jumping out of a plane without a parachute is not an adventure |
| 16:19.54 | Insolit | what's more recent? sarge, stable, sid, unstable, etch, testing, experimental |
| 16:19.56 | rahul | RvGaTe: it's an inverse penixstrike |
| 16:20.06 | Insolit | i need to chose one to install ati drivers |
| 16:20.09 | jetscreamer | Insolit: stick with etch or lenny for now |
| 16:20.13 | RvGaTe | rahul, is it possible ? |
| 16:20.17 | jetscreamer | as a version |
| 16:20.17 | rahul | Insolit: you want the most broken or least broken? |
| 16:20.49 | jetscreamer | don't 'upgrade' |
| 16:20.49 | Insolit | rahul: i want the more recent one |
| 16:20.49 | rahul | RvGaTe: maybe, but you're gonna have fun with manual fiddling to get the instaler to do more difficult stuff than it needs to |
| 16:20.49 | threw | i have a "small" problem under debian instable: i cant use apt-get ! this is the output of apt-get -f install: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/439853 . anyone may help me please ? i dont even know what to do to try to understand what's happening.?.. |
| 16:20.51 | rahul | Insolit: you mean most broken |
| 16:21.08 | threw | *(some sentence have been translated from french :) ) |
| 16:21.14 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental |
| 16:21.27 | perlmonkey | hi jetscreamer |
| 16:21.45 | Insolit | experimental more recent than unstable? |
| 16:21.48 | streuner | real men run something is stable |
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| 16:21.58 | perlmonkey | ifdown just hangs :-/ |
| 16:22.02 | streuner | !experimental |
| 16:22.02 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 16:22.03 | rahul | real men do it with the waitress in the kitchen |
| 16:22.06 | jetscreamer | !find python-uno |
| 16:22.20 | Insolit | !unstable |
| 16:22.20 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 16:22.30 | liable | didnt that get fixed days ago? |
| 16:22.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'python-uno' (1): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/python-uno) in python/python-uno. |
| 16:22.53 | jetscreamer | i dunno i don't know python |
| 16:23.07 | perlmonkey | ifup just hangs also, not good :-/ |
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| 16:24.02 | jetscreamer | threw: at the least, it should get fixed sometime soon-ish, with a new package/update |
| 16:24.05 | frankr | is there any way I could allow a certain user to mount a few locations automatically |
| 16:24.10 | perlmonkey | this is fuked |
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| 16:24.23 | frankr | cause when I insert CDs and stuff it shows up on the desktop but I have to open a terminal and sudo mount location |
| 16:24.35 | threw | jetscreamer, that what was i thinking, but its now from 15 days that is not fixed ! |
| 16:24.39 | jetscreamer | frankr: i understand that you put user or users in the fstab line, but i'm not sure |
| 16:24.51 | rahul | mmm fried camel |
| 16:24.53 | quarkhead | id like to install a second networkcard in my debian machine, i use it as a webserver for now, but i want to use it in front of my windows machine as a router/firewall, i have put the card into the machine, how do i configure debian to use eth1 in addition to eth0 and how do i setup eth0 as a gateway for eth1? |
| 16:24.56 | jetscreamer | threw: no idea then... is the stable, testing, or unstable |
| 16:26.00 | jetscreamer | my french is non-existent |
| 16:26.01 | threw | jetscreamer, unstable (oops i put instable first, sorry) |
| 16:26.01 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: mm stewed Male humans |
| 16:26.01 | jetscreamer | oh yeah you did |
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| 16:26.02 | jetscreamer | threw: see if the updated package is in experimental yet.. then you at least know if it's there, and maybe going into sid |
| 16:26.03 | elhim | has anybody had alsa problems after upgrading to 2.6.18-4? |
| 16:26.13 | perlmonkey | cud be firmware issue mebbe |
| 16:26.16 | jetscreamer | !info python-uno experimental |
| 16:26.49 | dpkg | python-uno: (Python interface for OpenOffice.org), section python, is optional. Version: 2.2.0-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 244 kB, Installed size: 740 kB |
| 16:28.05 | sail | 59 |
| 16:28.19 | jetscreamer | threw: well they at least seem to be working on it |
| 16:28.59 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with pxe boot |
| 16:29.24 | Mazingaro | tftp open timeout |
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| 16:30.25 | threw | jetscreamer, huh ok thanks for the infobut... how do you know this ? just with dpkg bot ?! |
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| 16:31.15 | jetscreamer | threw: the version from experimental (for the python-uno package at least) is greater than the one that is trying to install on your box |
| 16:31.37 | jetscreamer | so yes, the bot and your paster info |
| 16:31.38 | cahoot | elhim: what is your problem? |
| 16:31.39 | phogg | isn't there a package that de[ploys a simple NAT-enabling iptables ruleset? |
| 16:31.50 | jetscreamer | !info lokkit |
| 16:32.23 | dpkg | lokkit: (basic interactive firewall configuration tool (console interface)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.50.22-7.1 (sid), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 792 kB |
| 16:32.27 | threw | !info openoffice.org-core |
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| 16:32.34 | dpkg | openoffice.org-core: (OpenOffice.org office suite architecture dependent files), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 33667 kB, Installed size: 100544 kB |
| 16:32.35 | rahul | phogg: ipmasq |
| 16:32.37 | jetscreamer | no nm |
| 16:32.45 | rahul | phogg: which is very configurable, too |
| 16:32.52 | threw | jetscreamer, ah ok thanks |
| 16:33.21 | phogg | rahul: ah, yes! That was it, thanks. |
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| 16:33.34 | jetscreamer | threw: if you were feeling brave, you could try the packages in experimental... but not highly recommended |
| 16:33.48 | jetscreamer | see apt-pinning |
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| 16:34.07 | threw | jetscreamer, im feeling brave, it is hollydays |
| 16:34.35 | jetscreamer | man apt-pinning then threw, and remember you get to keep all the pieces when it breaks |
| 16:34.46 | h3sp4wn | unnecessary to pin (experimental is priority 1 by default) |
| 16:35.06 | jetscreamer | but he doesn't want all exp packages to install :o |
| 16:35.14 | h3sp4wn | It won't |
| 16:35.33 | jetscreamer | beyond me, i don't usually need exp |
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| 16:36.04 | h3sp4wn | Only time that would happen is if you did something like apt-get dist-upgrade -t experimental |
| 16:36.11 | h3sp4wn | (which would be stupid) |
| 16:36.26 | threw | and heuh.... a dumb question but i dont find the answer in man page: how to install a specific version of a package please ? |
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| 16:36.46 | rahul | aptitude install package=version |
| 16:37.15 | rahul | or run aptitude and go into package details and hit "i" on the specific version of the package you want |
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| 16:37.29 | threw | heuh... with apt-get ? :) |
| 16:37.44 | phogg | threw: same syntax |
| 16:38.19 | h3sp4wn | threw: get the version from apt-cache policy |
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| 16:40.41 | Insolit | can someone tell me how to install ati drivers in debian? |
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| 16:41.47 | threw | jetscreamer, finally i dont feel so brave. ill wait and see. |
| 16:42.33 | Madsy^ | Insolit: Follow this howto: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 16:42.46 | jetscreamer | threw: check bdo |
| 16:42.49 | hark | Insolit: for fglrx, /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner and /msg dpkg ati |
| 16:42.50 | jetscreamer | !bdo |
| 16:42.50 | dpkg | from memory, bdo is bugs.debian.org. before bitching in #debian, check to see if your bug is already filed |
| 16:42.51 | Insolit | Madsy^: does not seem updated madclicker |
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| 16:43.19 | wad | Is there a channel for openOffice support? |
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| 16:43.37 | wad | I created a chart, and there seems to be no way to delete it! :( |
| 16:44.11 | Madsy^ | Insolit: You want things to work, AND be up-to-date? Talk about eating the whole hand ;) |
| 16:44.14 | nabber | Insolit: i've got the latest packaged if you want them |
| 16:44.20 | hark | #openoffice.org |
| 16:44.32 | wad | thanks |
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| 16:44.57 | perlmonkey | phew, now to tackle WPA again |
| 16:45.03 | bubazoo | I have a suggestion for something to add to the Etch GUI installer. during the guided partitioning, there should also ben an option to "remove existing linux partitions, and use that free space" because in my setup, I want to remove linux partitions, and use that for install, but KEEP the NTFS partition that windows is using |
| 16:45.04 | perlmonkey | at least the connection is ok |
| 16:46.01 | vlt|home | Hello. I have clamav running on Debian Sarge and scanning an email containing a virus in a ZIP file returns "Infected files: 0". What do I have to check first? |
| 16:46.02 | hark | bubazoo: that's possible if you manually parttion iirc |
| 16:46.20 | bubazoo | guided partitioning should do that by default anyway, cuz 99.9% of the time, if u have an NTFS partition that exists on the drive, you'll want to keep it |
| 16:46.22 | liable | perlmonkey: running wpasupp from the command line is the best way to debug it |
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| 16:46.37 | hark | bubazoo: ok, file a wishlist bug then :) |
| 16:46.48 | bubazoo | bark, but see, the problem with manual partitioning, you don't know what size to set the swap space to |
| 16:46.48 | perlmonkey | liable: thanks I will try that if it fails this time |
| 16:47.03 | bubazoo | bark: where do I file a wishlist bug? |
| 16:47.22 | Insolit | guys thanks a lot |
| 16:47.30 | Insolit | i just followed the bot procedure :D |
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| 16:47.40 | Insolit | are there tipos for nvidia as well? |
| 16:47.48 | Insolit | !nvidia |
| 16:47.48 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 16:47.52 | ^^MAg^^ | is debian web page code open sourced? |
| 16:47.56 | bubazoo | I mean, I know on the debian site, but where on the site? |
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| 16:48.03 | Insolit | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:48.03 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
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| 16:48.17 | ^^MAg^^ | i want a quick look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages source code |
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| 16:48.47 | pif | hi, is there a problem with cron ? I see my /etc/cron.d/awstats being executed in syslog but no effect on the stats |
| 16:48.48 | hark | bubazoo: the bts, against debian-installer |
| 16:49.07 | pif | doing the command by hand updates the stats |
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| 16:50.24 | vlt|home | `clamscan -V` is "ClamAV 0.84/3090/Fri Apr 13 14:18:38 2007". The virus in the ZIP file clamav doesn't find is EICAR. Any idea? |
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| 16:50.43 | threw | jetscreamer, bdo ? |
| 16:51.29 | xand | pif: if it's being run, then there can't be a problem with cron |
| 16:51.54 | xand | your script probably runs on something provided by your shell but not the cronjob |
| 16:52.11 | pif | xand: and I removed the > /dev/null to see errors but no mail is sent |
| 16:54.09 | jetscreamer | !bdo |
| 16:54.09 | dpkg | it has been said that bdo is bugs.debian.org. before bitching in #debian, check to see if your bug is already filed |
| 16:54.23 | jetscreamer | !tell threw -about bdo |
| 16:55.32 | Insolit | i love this channel!!! |
| 16:55.43 | Insolit | i must say i get here the best support |
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| 16:56.06 | Insolit | thanks a lot guys :D ati is now working |
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| 16:56.13 | Insolit | now i need nvidia to work as well :D |
| 16:56.15 | lilbluemarbl | hey insolit. .. |
| 16:56.20 | lilbluemarbl | you said thje magic word |
| 16:56.22 | lilbluemarbl | ATI :) |
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| 16:56.39 | lilbluemarbl | am trying to get fglrx to work too ... which kernel are you on? |
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| 16:56.48 | Insolit | 2.6.19 |
| 16:56.55 | pif | speaking of ati, can't compile fgrlx with 2.6.20 kernel |
| 16:57.00 | lilbluemarbl | you can.. |
| 16:57.05 | lilbluemarbl | at least i can..compile that is |
| 16:57.12 | lilbluemarbl | but cant seem to get 3d working |
| 16:57.22 | Insolit | mh how does fglrx module gets loaded if it's not in /etc/modules file? |
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| 16:57.28 | lilbluemarbl | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=13931 |
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| 16:57.50 | pif | Insolit: /etc/modprobe.d |
| 16:57.52 | Insolit | lilbluemarbl: do you have the module fglrx loaded? did u run aticonfig --intial? |
| 16:58.01 | lilbluemarbl | i had to patch the latest 8.35 ati driver to compile it |
| 16:58.08 | pif | aha |
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| 16:58.15 | ChaosR | if I want the testing netinst, which one should I download, considering etch is stable at the moment |
| 16:58.17 | pif | where did you get 8.35 ? |
| 16:58.19 | lilbluemarbl | nah..i didnt, already had a working xorg from a prev kernel/fglrx |
| 16:58.32 | lilbluemarbl | ati site.. |
| 16:58.32 | Insolit | pif is it supposed to be there? |
| 16:58.49 | lilbluemarbl | http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-firegl.html |
| 16:58.53 | lilbluemarbl | there.. |
| 16:58.57 | pif | thx |
| 16:59.00 | Insolit | lilbluemarbl: just did the bot procedure |
| 16:59.02 | xand | !moo |
| 16:59.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:59.02 | lilbluemarbl | yeah .. have the module loded.. |
| 16:59.18 | lilbluemarbl | :P |
| 16:59.21 | ChaosR | !testing |
| 16:59.22 | dpkg | it has been said that testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 16:59.32 | Insolit | and glxinfo | grep direct reports no direct rendering? |
| 16:59.34 | pif | no debianized yet |
| 16:59.37 | lilbluemarbl | nope |
| 16:59.49 | vlt|home | I just checked an email containing the virus directly (not in a ZIP file). ClamAV didn't find it! What's happening here? |
| 16:59.50 | magyar | hi, is there a module to monitor adaptec hardware raids on etch? |
| 17:00.00 | lilbluemarbl | have posted all the details on that forum .. xorg version...fglrxinf..etc..etc |
| 17:00.05 | Insolit | anyway anyone knows how is the module fglrx loaded at start? |
| 17:00.15 | Insolit | what loads it? |
| 17:00.17 | lilbluemarbl | mine's loaded from /etcmodules/.. |
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| 17:00.31 | liable | vlt|home: do you have volatile in sources? |
| 17:00.33 | Insolit | mine ain't |
| 17:00.34 | lilbluemarbl | the module-assistant puts it there... |
| 17:00.39 | Insolit | but it was loaded |
| 17:00.40 | lilbluemarbl | but its loaded?? |
| 17:00.43 | Insolit | y |
| 17:00.44 | lilbluemarbl | aah.. strange |
| 17:00.48 | Insolit | let me reboot |
| 17:00.51 | pif | it must be god |
| 17:00.54 | lilbluemarbl | bbye :) |
| 17:00.59 | Insolit | no |
| 17:01.05 | Insolit | this is other machine :P |
| 17:01.06 | vlt|home | liable: No. What is this? |
| 17:01.09 | lilbluemarbl | nice..nice |
| 17:01.18 | liable | vlt|home: google it |
| 17:01.22 | vlt|home | ;-) |
| 17:01.32 | Insolit | i don't want it to load automatically, cause i also want to install nvidia module |
| 17:01.39 | liable | !volatile |
| 17:01.39 | dpkg | i guess volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
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| 17:01.46 | liable | vlt|home: ^^ |
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| 17:07.53 | Insolit | damn it was automatically loaded! |
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| 17:08.07 | Insolit | i don't like things to happen behind my back |
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| 17:08.22 | lilbluemarbl | did you notice the messages while booting .. did it say anything about lading fglrx? |
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| 17:08.50 | lilbluemarbl | say ..from dmesg? |
| 17:08.50 | wever | I'm tracking unstable...when I go to upgrade libgtk2.0-0 it wants to remove 56 packages (looks like important stuff)...why? |
| 17:09.23 | h3sp4wn | because all the gnome junk depends on it |
| 17:09.42 | nescius | hi, i am stucked on changing a default booting kernel with grub, /etc/grub.conf is missing.. lilo isnt even installed, any ideas? |
| 17:09.52 | nescius | ..the system booting fine |
| 17:09.59 | xand | nescius: it's not missing... it's /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:10.06 | xand | that's the grub config file |
| 17:10.23 | Insolit | lilbluemarbl: ill just check if it loads the module if the graphics adapter is not ATI |
| 17:10.28 | h3sp4wn | wever: You can either wait or pull the newer gnome stuff rom experimental |
| 17:10.46 | wever | h3sp4wn, thank you! |
| 17:10.47 | Insolit | lilbluemarbl: that's what i don't want it to happen |
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| 17:10.51 | lilbluemarbl | sure do that .. |
| 17:10.54 | liable | nescius: um, debian doesnt have a grub.conf, what distro are you using? |
| 17:11.06 | nescius | debian of couse |
| 17:11.13 | lilbluemarbl | anyways.. just see if its listed in dmesg.. |
| 17:11.13 | xand | nescius: see what I said |
| 17:11.21 | Insolit | i guess no dist uses grub.conf |
| 17:11.28 | Insolit | isn't grub the same to all? |
| 17:11.29 | xand | some do |
| 17:11.31 | nescius | xand, thanks |
| 17:11.31 | lilbluemarbl | btw.. Insolit.. how do you message a person..? |
| 17:11.35 | xand | Insolit: no |
| 17:11.44 | Insolit | lilbluemarbl: nick tab? |
| 17:11.56 | bzed | Insolit: afaik does redhat use it |
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| 17:12.19 | Insolit | bzed: alright then! |
| 17:12.26 | norc | How do I force udev to repopulate /dev/ ? |
| 17:12.46 | liable | why do you want to do that? |
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| 17:13.25 | norc | liable: Because I added new rules to udev. |
| 17:13.36 | norc | (And I don't want to reboot the machine) |
| 17:13.48 | norc | I know that it is possible, there was a binary under Gentoo called udevstart. |
| 17:14.10 | liable | norc: hrm theres a commandline switch to get it to reread rules, but i cant remember it |
| 17:14.25 | bzed | norc: I think /etc/init.d/udev reload does the job, but I don't remember |
| 17:15.03 | norc | bzed: It appearently doesn't work |
| 17:15.08 | norc | I tried that already |
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| 17:15.09 | bzed | norc: yeah, that shoudl do the job, it executes udevcontrol reload_rules or something like that |
| 17:15.15 | norc | mhmm |
| 17:15.20 | busfahrer | Can anybody using etch please /msg me the output of "sudo lvm version"? |
| 17:15.26 | bzed | norc: sure that your rules are right? |
| 17:15.33 | jetscreamer | !kill udev |
| 17:15.36 | norc | Zerthis: yes. |
| 17:15.57 | norc | err bzed |
| 17:16.03 | norc | jetscreamer: Is that an allusion to the Scorched Earth Party? |
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| 17:16.26 | jetscreamer | if that means udev should die a horrible death, probably |
| 17:16.30 | bzed | jetscreamer: udev works very well if you know how to configure it. do you still ned help with it? |
| 17:16.45 | hark | !udev rules |
| 17:16.45 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 17:16.51 | hark | norc: ^read |
| 17:17.13 | jetscreamer | bzed: if i ever want to put my addin controller card back in, yes... or debian won't boot. it's not in atm though. |
| 17:17.30 | jetscreamer | how's that for a lame assed workaround |
| 17:17.31 | lilbluemarbl | anyone know what /lib/init/vars.sh is for? |
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| 17:18.26 | nescius | sorry, one more question - default is set to 0 and every kernel apart of memtest has savedefault in the config part, the first one is what i want to run |
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| 17:19.01 | jetscreamer | i finally compiled a kernel last night after about a year... i saw an option to choose which ide controller (onboard vs addin) the box boots from |
| 17:19.04 | nescius | or better one, where can i find kernel-headers-2.6.18-3-686 ? |
| 17:19.18 | bzed | nescius: look for linux-headers-.... if you're on etch |
| 17:19.18 | jetscreamer | nescius: linux-headers |
| 17:19.19 | hark | sdn probably |
| 17:19.38 | jetscreamer | i thought -4 was in etch |
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| 17:20.30 | cilkay | Hello. How do I change my locale to utf8 from en_CA.ISO-8859-1? I haven't found anything obvious with Google. |
| 17:20.34 | nescius | bzed, jetscreamer, i am on etch but theres' only 2.6.18-4 |
| 17:20.48 | cilkay | Apparently, utf8 is the default on new installations but this was upgraded from 3.1. |
| 17:20.49 | jetscreamer | nescius: but you want -3 |
| 17:20.52 | bzed | nescius: you wanna upgrade to that |
| 17:20.53 | jetscreamer | !archive |
| 17:20.53 | dpkg | [archive] a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 17:20.54 | nescius | deb http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 17:21.21 | perlmonkey | if I state madwifi driver type for wpa (wpasuppliment) do I need to have madwifi installed? |
| 17:21.37 | hark | yes |
| 17:21.41 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 17:21.43 | jetscreamer | (do i need madwifi to use madwifi?) |
| 17:21.43 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 17:21.51 | nescius | the snapshot is about what i was looking for, thank you |
| 17:21.54 | perlmonkey | jetscreamer :P |
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| 17:22.00 | hark | !sdn |
| 17:22.01 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 17:22.10 | jetscreamer | damn hark |
| 17:22.17 | jetscreamer | i didn't even know what you meant |
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| 17:22.21 | jetscreamer | !hark++ |
| 17:22.35 | Sakunix | MX1000 mouse, How do you bind the side scrollers to back and forward through your web-browser histroy/ |
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| 17:23.14 | concept10 | any of you guys using debian on the desktop? |
| 17:23.26 | cilkay | concept10: yes |
| 17:23.29 | liable | does a laptop count? |
| 17:23.44 | Sakunix | concept10: I am currently using debian desktop |
| 17:23.46 | liable | or two |
| 17:23.47 | hark | ooh |
| 17:23.52 | concept10 | liable: yeah, if you have common sense :p |
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| 17:23.56 | jetscreamer | i'm using debian on a walltop |
| 17:23.59 | Gge | laptop for me |
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| 17:24.08 | jetscreamer | and also a cielingtop |
| 17:24.14 | jetscreamer | ceiling |
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| 17:24.21 | liable | !beat jetscreamer |
| 17:24.23 | Tobsn | hu |
| 17:24.25 | Tobsn | do i have to flush anything after adding a iptables rule? |
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| 17:24.37 | hark | !karma hark |
| 17:24.37 | dpkg | hark has karma of 2 |
| 17:24.41 | hark | !karma jetscreamer |
| 17:24.41 | dpkg | jetscreamer has karma of 1 |
| 17:24.45 | Insolit | how can i enable dma for scsi devices (SATA, USB) |
| 17:24.56 | hark | !teh 1337 |
| 17:24.56 | dpkg | hark pwns j00 |
| 17:25.08 | concept10 | Ive been using debian on servers for 4 years, and ubuntu on desktop for close to 3. Ubuntu is a piece of shit run by amateurs. I want to switch over, but I don't want to be stuck with old packages. |
| 17:25.23 | JiLeT-OsMaN | I installed etch, but wnat to change to testing, i cant find the repos. any help is welcome |
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| 17:25.39 | Sakunix | 4.0 is out runs a 2.6 ketnel so you can get newer stuff now concept10 |
| 17:26.02 | asg | JiLeT-OsMaN: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 17:26.11 | JiLeT-OsMaN | tnx asg |
| 17:26.51 | concept10 | Sakunix: yeah, I know.. I have my servers running on etch, I never see problems on my debian systems.. Ubuntu seems rushed out the door for the last year |
| 17:26.54 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 17:26.55 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 17:27.02 | Sakunix | Anyone here using a Logitech MX1000 mouse? |
| 17:27.05 | Insolit | can't dma be enabled in scsi devices? |
| 17:27.17 | jetscreamer | concept10: edit the output of the second part of that factiod |
| 17:27.20 | jetscreamer | oid |
| 17:27.29 | jetscreamer | Sakunix: google? |
| 17:27.38 | Sakunix | concept10: I have used Ubuntu and debian now as both servers and desktop systems. Debian > Ubuntu in my opinion |
| 17:27.40 | concept10 | Sakunix: I guess you want to config extra buttons? |
| 17:27.43 | Sakunix | jetscreamer: have tried |
| 17:27.53 | jetscreamer | Sakunix: http://www.google.com/linux?q=Logitech+MX1000+debian+xorg&restrict=linux |
| 17:27.57 | jetscreamer | try that? |
| 17:28.07 | concept10 | Sakunix: I saw a how-to on that yesterday |
| 17:28.12 | Sakunix | All buttons triggers xev events |
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| 17:28.31 | Sakunix | I want buttons 8 and 9 to go forward and backward in firefox |
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| 17:28.47 | Sakunix | None of the how-to's take it that far |
| 17:28.49 | rahul | and what would you like buttons 24 and 25 to do? |
| 17:28.51 | concept10 | now I really know the difference between stable and why Debian uses older stuff |
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| 17:29.06 | liable | rahul: make coffe and walk the dog! |
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| 17:29.12 | rahul | indeed. |
| 17:29.17 | rahul | !kawfee |
| 17:29.17 | dpkg | kawfee is, like, KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier, or see also smartass |
| 17:29.23 | jetscreamer | concept10: that's just stable... sid is usually a little ahead of ubuntu i heard, no idea though |
| 17:29.27 | Sakunix | rahul: I am not sure possibly what button 24%12+1 does |
| 17:29.43 | dfa001 | This is strange, i have my /home encrypted with dm-crypt and it worked fine up until this morning. Now i cant write to the device only read from it. |
| 17:30.04 | rahul | I use button 3+5i to escape into my pandimensional hypergalactic abode. |
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| 17:30.16 | Tobsn | do i have to flush anything after adding a iptables rule? |
| 17:30.22 | rahul | Tobsn: the toilet |
| 17:30.26 | Tobsn | funny. |
| 17:30.34 | rahul | Tobsn: that's all |
| 17:30.35 | Sakunix | sudo make everyone in room laugh |
| 17:30.39 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 17:30.40 | concept10 | Also, since I can't login into my ubuntu system, I had to use recovery mode and startx, and the desktop runs so much cleaner without all of those junk deamons running in the background. |
| 17:30.43 | Tobsn | but it doesnt works |
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| 17:30.52 | rahul | "no rule to make target everyone" |
| 17:30.56 | Tobsn | iptables -A INPUT -s 38.100.41.0/24 -j REJECT |
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| 17:31.06 | toad_ | why does mysqlcheck only check the non-crashed tables, thus making it utterly useless? |
| 17:31.09 | Tobsn | and i still get request from the ip |
| 17:31.11 | rahul | Tobsn: prerouting maybe? |
| 17:31.14 | Sakunix | cat "tinned food |
| 17:31.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | gonzaloaf_work, dO you know how can I use the multimedia keys that my toshiba laptop has? in linux obviously |
| 17:31.17 | Tobsn | hmm nope |
| 17:31.19 | Sakunix | cat can't open tinned food |
| 17:31.22 | Tobsn | no other routing is on that box |
| 17:31.26 | toad_ | is this a packaging problem (caused by marking them as crashed somehow), or a mysql problem? |
| 17:31.28 | Tobsn | iptables is empty |
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| 17:31.54 | rahul | Tobsn: oh, right. it's input |
| 17:32.03 | rahul | hrm |
| 17:32.08 | Tobsn | weird isnt it? |
| 17:32.10 | rahul | Tobsn: what would you expect it to do? |
| 17:32.30 | Tobsn | reject the ip from .0 to .255 |
| 17:32.31 | rahul | ok, the request is going through, but you told it to reject |
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| 17:32.58 | Tobsn | so i see the request in the apache? |
| 17:33.02 | Tobsn | but the client doesnt get anything |
| 17:33.16 | rahul | oh |
| 17:33.21 | rahul | that's even stranger. |
| 17:33.29 | Tobsn | see... thats weird. |
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| 17:34.55 | asg | gonzaloaf_laptop: apt-cache search toshiba |
| 17:34.58 | Tobsn | okay i was wrong |
| 17:35.11 | Tobsn | there are some rules in the iptables |
| 17:35.25 | maxy | Hm, Software versions in debian testing are lagging too far behind for me - will this change soon now that etch is released? |
| 17:35.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | asg, there is a problem with toshiba_acpi with new kernels.... thats why I ask another way |
| 17:35.46 | Gambaroni | When I installed beryl and then start it. The screen just goes totally white, I can still rotate the cube and so on. How do I fix it? |
| 17:35.47 | jetscreamer | did you load the toshiba modules |
| 17:35.48 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 17:35.52 | sep__ | maxy, yes, testing will start to get new software now |
| 17:35.55 | jetscreamer | there are 2, iirc |
| 17:35.58 | asg | gonzaloaf_laptop: new kernels? What debian version are you running? |
| 17:36.00 | jetscreamer | kernel modules |
| 17:36.01 | Tobsn | rahul, http://nopaste.biz/?14534 |
| 17:36.08 | Thms | how to be developpr debian ? |
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| 17:36.13 | robin_sz | maxy, if testing is too slow for you, try unstable |
| 17:36.14 | sep__ | !nm |
| 17:36.14 | dpkg | i guess nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 17:36.17 | amphi | Gambaroni: what do you want to happen? |
| 17:36.19 | perlmonkey | is alsa-source needed after its been installed? can i remove package? |
| 17:36.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | asg, Lenny |
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| 17:36.33 | asg | gonzaloaf_laptop: then you need to file bugs and submit patches |
| 17:36.35 | Gambaroni | amphi of course that it should work :P |
| 17:36.41 | perlmonkey | hi sepski |
| 17:36.49 | jetscreamer | yay they unbanned Gambaroni |
| 17:36.56 | rahul | Tobsn: this allips thing seems a bit wacky |
| 17:36.57 | amphi | Gambaroni: what doesn't work? |
| 17:37.12 | perlmonkey | Gambaroni why did you get banned |
| 17:37.12 | Gambaroni | jetscreamer was I banned :O? |
| 17:37.23 | jetscreamer | a week ago or so iirc |
| 17:37.30 | robin_sz | after the incident ... |
| 17:37.36 | jetscreamer | i remember i didn't agree with the ewhy |
| 17:37.39 | rahul | "the" incident |
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| 17:37.41 | jetscreamer | the why |
| 17:37.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | asg, http://memebeam.org/toys/ToshibaAcpiDriver |
| 17:37.46 | maxy | ok thanks for the info, no need to search another distribution then :-) |
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| 17:37.56 | Gambaroni | amphi beryl |
| 17:38.03 | Gambaroni | perlmonkey don't know :O |
| 17:38.08 | Tobsn | yep |
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| 17:38.14 | amphi | Gambaroni: I would start it with xinit and then run beryl from the term until you have keybindings set up to your liking |
| 17:38.16 | toad_ | okay it's a debian bug ... mysql tables are checked on startup but are not repaired |
| 17:38.18 | rahul | was it an incident involving hyperglycemic hamsters and hypodermic needles or hypodermic hamsters and hyperclycemic needles? |
| 17:38.20 | amphi | Gambaroni: I expect it's workiing fine |
| 17:38.33 | Sakunix | SUCCESS! MX1000 mouse working |
| 17:38.38 | Sakunix | xbindkeys |
| 17:38.44 | jetscreamer | it was hamsters that have clymidia |
| 17:38.46 | robin_sz | rahul, like that, but with more lubricant |
| 17:38.46 | Gambaroni | amphi I do start it with the term |
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| 17:38.58 | rahul | heh |
| 17:38.58 | amphi | Gambaroni: so what's the problem? |
| 17:39.19 | Sakunix | pretty simple in the end I see how it works now too, all it does is it maps the button on the mouse to a set of keyboard inputs |
| 17:39.24 | jetscreamer | Sakunix: i just hope it stemmed from my link... :) |
| 17:39.31 | Gambaroni | amphi the screen just goes white.. I just see white all over the screen |
| 17:39.58 | amphi | Gambaroni: you can use feh to set the bg image, if you want |
| 17:40.05 | Sakunix | Sakunix: I eventually turned to google searching MX1000 <insert random linux flavour here> |
| 17:40.17 | Gambaroni | amphi it isn't the bg.. |
| 17:40.18 | Sakunix | and found a nice wiki host by ubuntu people |
| 17:40.42 | Gambaroni | amphi I cannot see anything at all, no menus, no trayicons, no windows etc |
| 17:40.46 | Sakunix | Is there a debian wiki? I might copy paste it. Its really neat |
| 17:40.55 | robin_sz | syntax error@ line 1, ubuntu and nice used in same sentence |
| 17:41.06 | Sakunix | robin_sz: lol |
| 17:41.10 | rahul | ooooooooh the hunter looks at you with eyes that kill |
| 17:41.12 | amphi | Gambaroni: beryl is just a wm |
| 17:41.18 | amphi | Gambaroni: no icons or other carap |
| 17:41.21 | amphi | er, crap |
| 17:41.22 | dfa001 | quit |
| 17:41.26 | Coweater | rahul: why? |
| 17:41.28 | Sakunix | robin_sz: I just ninja'ed one of the unbutu how-to's the how-to is nice |
| 17:41.33 | Sakunix | robin_sz: Not much else |
| 17:41.34 | rahul | Coweater: because he's a hunter |
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| 17:41.47 | Coweater | orion is? |
| 17:41.48 | rahul | praying for your life! the mighty rage against the still |
| 17:41.50 | Gambaroni | amphi you don't understand.. |
| 17:41.51 | rahul | indeed |
| 17:42.11 | rahul | ooooh the hunter. oooooh the hunter. |
| 17:42.13 | amphi | Gambaroni: indeed I don't |
| 17:42.20 | hark | Sakunix: wiki.debian.org |
| 17:42.20 | rahul | I'M THE HUNTER. |
| 17:42.36 | amphi | hmm, rahul's regression seems to be externalising... |
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| 17:42.39 | b52laptop | hi |
| 17:42.41 | Sakunix | !thanks hark |
| 17:42.41 | dpkg | Sakunix: no problem |
| 17:42.48 | rahul | amphi: it's precession |
| 17:42.55 | amphi | heh |
| 17:42.56 | b52laptop | any one could point to a good tuto to install debian with oracle10g |
| 17:42.56 | Gambaroni | amphi think about it. the screen is just totally white |
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| 17:42.56 | b52laptop | ? |
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| 17:43.12 | amphi | Gambaroni: yes - what's to think about? |
| 17:43.16 | rahul | I'm bringing the portable mosh pit tonight! |
| 17:43.23 | Gambaroni | amphi as you had a screensaver that was a picture with just white color.. Why? |
| 17:43.27 | Gambaroni | amphi i wanna use beryl |
| 17:43.30 | amphi | Gambaroni: except that perhaps you are not using the recent version of beryl |
| 17:43.50 | amphi | Gambaroni: your xterm disappears ? |
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| 17:44.07 | Gambaroni | amphi _EVERYTHING_ |
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| 17:45.04 | amphi | Gambaroni: oh dear ;) |
| 17:45.25 | amphi | Gambaroni: what does 'beryl -v' say? |
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| 17:45.44 | elwario91 | hello |
| 17:46.01 | elwario91 | I installed debian with cd 1 so I don't have the mirrors |
| 17:46.04 | elwario91 | What can i do? |
| 17:46.08 | Freedom__ | hi |
| 17:46.14 | Freedom__ | eisen re u there? |
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| 17:46.40 | asg | elwario91: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:46.45 | skejoe | Hi. |
| 17:46.54 | Gambaroni | amphi beryl-core 0.2.1 |
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| 17:47.49 | elwario91 | asg : euh doesn't work |
| 17:47.59 | skejoe | I've just installed my Wacom Volito but I want the button on the pen to be right mouse button instead of middle. Anyone who knows how to do this? |
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| 17:48.18 | asg | elwario91: type it in your irc client |
| 17:48.23 | elwario91 | ow ok :) |
| 17:49.03 | elwario91 | but I don't understeand how to do ::) |
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| 17:49.48 | elwario91 | is there an automatic way? |
| 17:51.11 | hark | elwario91: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:51.21 | hark | and /msg dpkg etch security |
| 17:51.34 | luisjose | elwario91, run dselect and follow the method apt instructions |
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| 17:52.25 | elwario91 | the problem is that I haven't mirrors |
| 17:52.40 | elwario91 | I could do it in install but with my speedtouch modem it wasn't possible |
| 17:53.47 | hark | then read what dpkg said about mirrors? |
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| 17:54.22 | asg | usually, I'd suggest going back to Windows. I this case, I'd suggest Microsoft Bob (tm) |
| 17:54.29 | phyber | so, who knows why the debian partitioner is so god damn retarded then? |
| 17:54.33 | amphi | Gambaroni: hmm, I have 0.2.0 here, and works fine - 0.2.1 only differs WRT IIRC |
| 17:54.42 | elwario91 | ow ok I've found , thanks :) |
| 17:54.51 | rahul | phyber: it's the standard partitioner |
| 17:54.58 | rahul | phyber: sounds like a personal problem to me |
| 17:54.59 | Gambaroni | amphi ok.. weird |
| 17:55.15 | phyber | two drives, I've just split them up into equal sizes for a software raid. I go to "create MD devices", and only 3 partitions from the second drive are available. |
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| 17:55.57 | amphi | Gambaroni: perhaps you should remove all beryl related dot-files/dirs and try again |
| 17:55.57 | petemc | phyber: did you set the partitions as raid? |
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| 17:56.10 | phyber | rahul: I wish that were the case, but I'm not some clueless noob doing this for the first time :/ |
| 17:56.14 | phyber | petemc: yes. |
| 17:56.30 | Gambaroni | amphi maybe.. don't think that's the problem anyway |
| 17:56.39 | rahul | phyber: oh, md. |
| 17:56.43 | amphi | Gambaroni: what card is this on? |
| 17:56.45 | petemc | phyber: if you know so much, you probably know that statements like your first one are about the worst way to get help |
| 17:56.48 | rahul | phyber: that's different. |
| 17:56.50 | phyber | ah, there we go. the partitioner has detected some old partitions because the new partition sizes match the old ones, AND DIDN'T TELL ME ABOUT THIS. |
| 17:56.53 | phyber | \o/ |
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| 17:57.06 | petemc | send a patch |
| 17:57.19 | rahul | detected? |
| 17:57.26 | Wuilliam | hi to all, i cant run my debian, the install finish fine, but never run, this images shows the problem 1) http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/7066/img008cz7.jpg 2) http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/2829/img009lc9.jpg 3) http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/6117/img011im7.jpg, who can help me??? |
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| 17:57.32 | rahul | what on earth are you doing? no, on second thought, don't tell me. |
| 17:57.43 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to setup a diskless client boot? |
| 17:58.11 | phyber | rahul: I'm trying to set up the disks for RAID1. The partitioner is making it more difficult that it needs to be ;) |
| 17:58.20 | Wuilliam | who can help me? |
| 17:58.28 | asg | Wuilliam: lookes like the kernel and your CD-Rom are not getting along. |
| 17:58.30 | asg | *looks |
| 17:58.36 | Gambaroni | amphi nvidia geforce4 mx |
| 17:59.10 | Wuilliam | asg: who can i do for fix that |
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| 17:59.19 | asg | Wuilliam: what version of Debian are you trying to install? |
| 17:59.32 | Wuilliam | etch, the stable |
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| 17:59.36 | Wuilliam | 40r some like that |
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| 18:00.45 | Wuilliam | asg: i have a sata disc, and my dvd connected in a IDE cable |
| 18:01.45 | wintix | Wuilliam: you could try setting the sata mode to AHCI in the bios (if possible) |
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| 18:03.23 | Wuilliam | wintix: mmmm,i think not, but my bios never show that setting |
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| 18:04.07 | Absolute0 | which java pkg do i need to install limewire? |
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| 18:04.19 | Wuilliam | asg: im using i386 etch version |
| 18:04.19 | Absolute0 | *to use limewire |
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| 18:04.42 | asg | Wuilliam: is this occuring after the install? |
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| 18:05.15 | Wuilliam | asg: yeah, all the install process whit debian finish good |
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| 18:05.32 | Wuilliam | asg: sorry, my english is not the better |
| 18:06.24 | barronmo | question: new to linux user having trouble installing .deb package from cdrom0. Keep getting "Couldn't find package" error. |
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| 18:06.41 | asg | Wuilliam: you might try blacklisting the ide-cd module (/msg dpkg blacklist). Try booting into single user mode to do the necessary edits. |
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| 18:08.31 | Wuilliam | asg: what edits i need to do= |
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| 18:10.23 | adu | hi |
| 18:10.31 | quarkhead | hi, i run this command: find /etc/ices2/music -name *.ogg -print ; /etc/ices2/music/playlist.txt but nottin is printed to the file, why? please help out here |
| 18:11.20 | petemc | quarkhead: >\ |
| 18:11.22 | petemc | erm |
| 18:11.30 | petemc | i mean: > |
| 18:11.45 | jelly-home | quarkhead: escape the * or put *.ogg in quotes |
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| 18:12.40 | quarkhead | ehm, i dont get quite what u mean. can u give me a whole examlpe |
| 18:12.49 | asg | Wuilliam: /msg dpkg blacklist (type that into your irc client and our bot will give you some information) |
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| 18:13.30 | Wuilliam | :S nothing happend |
| 18:13.39 | asg | !tell Wuilliam about blacklist |
| 18:13.40 | petemc | quarkhead: find /etc/ices2/music -name *.ogg -print > /etc/ices2/music/playlist.txt |
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| 18:13.57 | quarkhead | ah ok, TNX |
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| 18:14.48 | quarkhead | jezz ggreat it wwworks |
| 18:15.15 | mfrisch | quarkhead: what you serving easy listening? |
| 18:15.49 | wulffeld | Hi, I'm blowing gaskets all over. Is there a good guide to getting raid 1 on etch somewhere? |
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| 18:16.51 | Wuilliam | asg: what it packages do??? |
| 18:17.10 | quarkhead | he he, my own music Strange shit ,@} http://radio.servebbs.org:8000/i2stream.ogg.m3u Be my guest ;@} |
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| 18:17.36 | mfrisch | wulffeld: does google not work? here is some http://www.google.com/search?q=raid+1+on+debian&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 18:17.56 | wulffeld | mfrisch: I spent all day on Google. Believe me. |
| 18:18.05 | wulffeld | And yesterday.. |
| 18:18.17 | mfrisch | wulffeld: did you even look to see if it was different? |
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| 18:19.24 | Insolit | is there a way to boot to an external USB drive, when BIOS does not support USB drive |
| 18:19.24 | mfrisch | quarkhead: underground recordings? |
| 18:19.24 | quarkhead | kind of ;@} |
| 18:19.27 | bzed | Insolit: create a boot floppy |
| 18:19.29 | asg | Wuilliam: ? |
| 18:19.36 | Insolit | i have no floppy |
| 18:19.41 | bzed | Insolit: or get an usb stick with floppy emulation |
| 18:19.48 | Insolit | and do what? |
| 18:19.50 | mfrisch | quarkhead: won't start with noatun am trying mplayer |
| 18:20.03 | Insolit | usb stick with floppy emulation? |
| 18:20.05 | yacc | Just wondering, is there a tool in Debian that can show the capabilities of my DVD burner? |
| 18:20.10 | bzed | Insolit: yes. |
| 18:20.23 | Insolit | how do i do that? |
| 18:20.28 | Insolit | and what do put into the pen? |
| 18:20.39 | bzed | Insolit: find a stick which supports it in hardware |
| 18:20.48 | kuhwallskee | Here's the situation.. I have two laptops.. and one ethernet connection.. no switch or anything.. What I want to do is plug my ethernet connection into my linux laptop and share it to my other laptop thru the wireless network adapters. Where is a good howto for this? |
| 18:20.50 | Wuilliam | asg: blacklist what is this? im not good whit english, can you tell me a little more? |
| 18:21.09 | Insolit | oh hardware stuff |
| 18:21.10 | asg | Wuilliam: blacklist == tell something not to load |
| 18:21.20 | mfrisch | quarkhead: won't start ;-( |
| 18:21.26 | asg | Wuilliam: since ide-cd is a module giving some problems, preventing it from loading may help. |
| 18:21.30 | wulffeld | mfrisch: I've been through those. :( But thanks. |
| 18:21.32 | bzed | Insolit: doesn;t work on all. old bioses often can only boot from a 'floppy', but they dont; care fi the floppy is actually a usb device. recent bioses boot just fine from large usb stick |
| 18:21.50 | Insolit | bzed anyway why would that pen solve my problem? |
| 18:22.07 | Insolit | i have an external drive, where i want to boot to |
| 18:22.12 | mfrisch | wulffeld: never done it (never had the need) sorry |
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| 18:22.42 | bzed | Insolit: if your bios can;t boot directly from the drive, you need somethign it can boot from. so create a cd, use a flopyp or an usbs tick with floppy emulation. |
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| 18:23.07 | yacc | kuhwallskee: how do you want to set it up? |
| 18:23.10 | Insolit | ok so imagine i get that think i can boot from |
| 18:23.18 | yacc | kuhwallskee: one laptop masqing for the other one? |
| 18:23.23 | Insolit | how will that allow me to boot to my drive? |
| 18:23.25 | bzed | Insolit: in case your bios supports booting from usb floppies at all, but chances for that are higher than for booting from usb drives |
| 18:23.40 | yacc | Alternativly you might use one of the laptops to bridge the ethernet into an adhoc wlan. |
| 18:23.41 | bzed | Insolit: install grub on it |
| 18:23.42 | Insolit | no my laptop does not support that |
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| 18:23.51 | Insolit | bzed brub is installed in it |
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| 18:24.04 | bzed | Insolit: on the floppy |
| 18:24.07 | quarkhead | mfrisch: i had two listener earlier here |
| 18:24.19 | Insolit | and then? |
| 18:24.29 | quarkhead | i think it is up and running |
| 18:24.31 | bzed | Insolit: boot from it? |
| 18:24.44 | quarkhead | try with out .m3u |
| 18:25.09 | Insolit | i don't want to boot from a floppy, i asked if there's a way to boot to my external usb drive |
| 18:25.11 | Insolit | just that |
| 18:25.18 | mfrisch | quarkhead: it still does the same Connecting to server radio.servebbs.org[84.236.149.25]: 8000... then it exits saying Exiting... (End of file) |
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| 18:25.24 | mrbnet | how do I get ip forwarding to stay on? I have edited sysctl.conf but when I restart cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward shows 0 |
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| 18:25.54 | wols | mrbnet: what for? ie why do you need it? |
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| 18:26.20 | Wuilliam | asg: i use "nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist", i need to add a module here? whic one? |
| 18:26.33 | mrbnet | I have setup racoon for client vpn access |
| 18:26.47 | mrbnet | Don't I need that so they can access the rest of the network? |
| 18:27.02 | wols | mrbnet: install a kmuto kernel. try it with that |
| 18:27.06 | wols | it will install sarge but you can then upgrade easily |
| 18:27.15 | wols | !tell mrbnet about kmuto |
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| 18:27.20 | asg | Wuilliam: ide-cd |
| 18:27.20 | Insolit | bzed: yes |
| 18:27.25 | JiLeT-OsMaN | outside of X my keyboard leds work fine, but in gdm, the keys work the leds dont. How to fix this ? |
| 18:27.32 | quarkhead | mfrisch: i dont know why, anyone got a clue? icecast is set to have up to 100 listeners |
| 18:27.44 | Insolit | bzed: don't ask how this is working, but i used the grub to boot into usb drive :| |
| 18:28.06 | mrbnet | wols: google dosn't turn up much |
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| 18:28.48 | mfrisch | quarkhead: don't know. It has been along time since I messed with streaming radio (I use to broadcast to another guy in the town I lived in with winamp and shoutcast) |
| 18:29.00 | Wuilliam | asg: i will to add like "ide-cd" or "blacklist ide-cd" |
| 18:29.14 | mfrisch | quarkhead: what is the cache set on? |
| 18:29.18 | elwario91 | hello, how to install splashy on etch? |
| 18:29.18 | bzed | Insolit: why do you ask them!? |
| 18:29.25 | jahshua | hi |
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| 18:29.35 | mrbnet | wols: what would that kernel do for me? |
| 18:29.46 | Insolit | bzed: how can hd(1,4) be working if hd1 partitions are not recognized in grub? |
| 18:29.48 | Bud-NAKED | outside of X my keyboard leds work fine, but in gdm, the keys work the leds dont. How to fix this ? |
| 18:29.50 | Mazingaro | please, could anyone help me with pxeboot? |
| 18:29.53 | Insolit | this is tricky :| |
| 18:30.05 | Insolit | but it worked |
| 18:30.15 | bzed | Insolit: put a kernel on the floppy then, too. |
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| 18:30.35 | asg | Wuilliam: blacklist ide-cd |
| 18:30.54 | Insolit | i don't need the floppy, this works without it |
| 18:30.59 | asg | !tell Wuilliam about blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:31.19 | bzed | Insolit: what now? I thought you could not boot from usb drives? |
| 18:31.28 | Insolit | directly from bios i can't |
| 18:31.38 | asg | Wuilliam: that may also be necessary |
| 18:31.38 | Insolit | but having grub pointing to it, seems to work |
| 18:32.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello how can I use some additional keys in my keyboard |
| 18:32.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ? |
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| 18:33.38 | Wuilliam | asg: rdy, now??? restart? |
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| 18:34.49 | asg | Wuilliam: yes |
| 18:35.06 | Wuilliam | ok i will to try |
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| 18:35.14 | mfrisch | quarkhead: I think it is my gateways problem I am looking around. |
| 18:35.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | How can I get the code of a pressed key and then assign a operation to that key? |
| 18:36.06 | Insolit | !intel |
| 18:36.06 | dpkg | hmm... intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 18:36.15 | wols | mfrisch: what is your gateway problem? |
| 18:36.15 | Insolit | and intel graphics? |
| 18:36.16 | Insolit | :P |
| 18:36.26 | asg | gonzaloaf_laptop: xev and xbindkeys |
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| 18:37.14 | kuhwallskee | Here's the situation.. I have two laptops.. and one ethernet connection.. no switch or anything.. What I want to do is plug my ethernet connection into my linux laptop and share it to my other laptop thru the wireless network adapters. Where is a good howto for this? |
| 18:37.30 | quarkhead | ;@} |
| 18:37.41 | mfrisch | wols: some ports I have to poke open for radio to work..I think I am using another station with port 8000 does icecast have network options? |
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| 18:39.12 | mfrisch | wols: can you connect to icecast with netcat? it just returns to the next line. |
| 18:39.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | asg, xbindkeys doenst get the additional multimedia keys of my laptop |
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| 18:40.17 | asg | gonzaloaf_laptop: then you need to get the kernel modules working. If they don't work with testing, stop using testing and use stable. Or, file bugs and/or send patches. |
| 18:41.10 | mfrisch | gonzaloaf_laptop: there is a kde keyboard program (which name excapes me) that allow my strange hotkeys to work. |
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| 18:41.16 | wols | mfrisch: doesn't icecast use udp? |
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| 18:41.24 | cusco | probably the modules will work on both, trouble is to findthe right modules |
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| 18:41.49 | wols | and it might be that icecast terminates the connection if it doesn't get a "hello" packet first for its protocol |
| 18:41.51 | mfrisch | wols: good point. |
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| 18:42.41 | mfrisch | wols: well I wanted to listen oh well. I need to polute the internet someday too ;-) |
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| 18:43.05 | wols | mfrisch: use a streaming client? |
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| 18:44.26 | mfrisch | wols: I have tried a couple but it is like "some" port 8000 do not want to work right. I use to get "bad gateway" when trying to connect to most radio (pre etch) |
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| 18:46.25 | HellTiger | windows http://fukung.net/v/4768/3187_windows.jpg |
| 18:46.34 | perlmonkey | can anyone give me any pointers on this WPA error: wlan0: association FAILED: peer sent response 10 (Cannot support all requested capabilities in Capability Information field) .. also getting alot of acx: unknown EID 147 in mgmt frame at offset 83. |
| 18:46.51 | quarkhead | any one got a clue why i sudenly get the login for my router when i try to enter my website from my windows machine, it was not like that 10 minutes ago, i have not changed any thing, dmz is enabled in my modem/router. |
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| 18:48.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | mfrisch, kmilo? |
| 18:48.28 | Absolute0 | how do i control which deamons start at boot time, and how do i start daemons manually? |
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| 18:48.47 | mfrisch | gonzaloaf_laptop: don't think so. I wanna say it is in the X package selection. |
| 18:48.51 | Absolute0 | i am sorry guys i have a tendency to use irc instead of google |
| 18:48.54 | asg | Absolute0: update-rc.d or rcconf. |
| 18:48.55 | Absolute0 | let me check google first |
| 18:48.56 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 18:49.02 | asg | Absolute0: and /etc/init.d/<foo> |
| 18:49.12 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 18:49.58 | quarkhead | any one got a clue why i sudenly get the login for my router when i try to enter my website from my windows machine, it was not like that 10 minutes ago, i have not changed any thing, dmz is enabled in my modem/router. |
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| 18:50.29 | wols | quarkhead: router problem. with a windows machine even. NOT debian |
| 18:50.43 | mfrisch | quarkhead: don't know but that is probally why I cannot connect. routing problem? |
| 18:51.16 | quarkhead | so my router is sudely fucked? |
| 18:51.29 | wols | no, your routing is. different thing |
| 18:51.44 | wols | but being routing, it can of course be you router |
| 18:51.50 | wols | but unless your router is debian, we cannot help you |
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| 18:52.17 | quarkhead | it worked fine 15 minutes ago, and i did not change a thing |
| 18:52.39 | wols | either it was you or cosmic rays. anyways: this is OT |
| 18:52.44 | asg | or DHCP |
| 18:53.06 | mfrisch | wols: do you know a uptodate how to for setting up a gateway these days? |
| 18:53.21 | wols | mfrisch: apt-get install ipmasq dnsmasq |
| 18:53.27 | wols | eh voila, a NAT router |
| 18:53.45 | helo_ | secure (ish) too |
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| 18:54.02 | mfrisch | wols: then why the old "bad gateway" error when I connected to radio stations? |
| 18:54.02 | wols | ipmasq provides NAT when you have two NICs and dnsmasq provides dhcp and caching dns proxy |
| 18:54.13 | wols | mfrisch: never had that problem actually |
| 18:54.20 | wols | even when I usually use winamp to connect |
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| 18:54.37 | mfrisch | wols: I use shorewall. |
| 18:54.59 | bush^class | to get debian working with dual proccessors, is their a patch I can get, or do I haft to compile it with the support |
| 18:55.11 | asg | bush^class: which version of Debian? |
| 18:55.29 | TeReL50 | what's an easy way to convert .tar.gz to .deb? |
| 18:55.31 | bush^class | sarge |
| 18:55.42 | asg | bush^class: install a -smp kernel |
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| 18:56.01 | asg | TeReL50: mv foo.tar.gz foo.deb |
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| 18:56.23 | TeReL50 | thanks asg |
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| 18:56.42 | asg | TeReL50: dude, I hope you realize that was a joke |
| 18:56.47 | hark | heh |
| 18:56.50 | TeReL50 | euhuehe |
| 18:56.58 | hark | if only |
| 18:57.15 | mfrisch | asg: slackware ? |
| 18:57.18 | TeReL50 | asg i tried dpkg, but i'm too noob to get it working |
| 18:57.35 | kuhwallskee | How do I get iwconfig to apply settings at boot? Is there a script I add it to or what? |
| 18:57.39 | asg | mfrisch: could be or just a tarball |
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| 18:57.57 | perlmonkey | can anyone give me any pointers on this WPA error: wlan0: association FAILED: peer sent response 10 (Cannot support all requested capabilities in Capability Information field) .. also getting alot of acx: unknown EID 147 in mgmt frame at offset 83. |
| 18:58.03 | asg | TeReL50: what kind of .tar.gz is that? Where did you get it? What do you want it to do that debian doesn't already do? |
| 18:58.04 | mfrisch | asg: I think they just .gz it. |
| 18:58.11 | wols | TeReL50: there is no "easy" way |
| 18:58.25 | asg | mfrisch: haven't used Slack since '96 so I'm unsure |
| 18:58.32 | TeReL50 | Iasg they are just source files i want to add to my personal repo |
| 18:58.38 | TeReL50 | asg^^ |
| 18:58.51 | mfrisch | asg: packages have come along way. |
| 18:59.07 | asg | TeReL50: /msg dpkg maint-guide (it'll give you a brief tutorial for creating a simple deb) |
| 18:59.26 | TeReL50 | cool thanks for real this time asg :P |
| 18:59.32 | asg | TeReL50: you're welcome |
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| 19:00.24 | perlmonkey | what does "sending association request" mean in the context of wifi? |
| 19:00.25 | asg | xingu: make sure to use the evil splatter option |
| 19:00.30 | mfrisch | xingu: planet penguin racer rules |
| 19:00.49 | muhoo_ | how does one pass speed options to mkisofs? |
| 19:00.53 | perlmonkey | wlan0: association FAILED |
| 19:00.54 | asg | perlmonkey: I want to get in your pants (different context, but you get the idea) |
| 19:01.03 | muhoo_ | sorry, growisofs |
| 19:01.11 | asg | perlmonkey: translation: no way cowboy |
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| 19:01.52 | perlmonkey | "peer sent response code 10 (Cannot support all requested capabilities in Capability Information field) |
| 19:02.23 | asg | perlmonkey: translation: her friend said you were sub-standard |
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| 19:02.36 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.45 | erore | someone has ever installed kerio mailserver on debian? |
| 19:03.04 | mfrisch | asg ha ha |
| 19:03.16 | perlmonkey | asg: save your fingers, you're on ignore and just wasting your time now |
| 19:03.17 | muhoo_ | growisofs smells kind of like cdrecord but it's different |
| 19:03.18 | asg | perlmonkey: does it work without wpa? |
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| 19:04.03 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: you didn't ignore him (unless you did it again) ) perlmonkey: /ignore asg |
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| 19:04.20 | perlmonkey | actually i did :P |
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| 19:04.25 | perlmonkey | that was for his benefit earlier |
| 19:05.04 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: just because people are mean doen't mean they won't help. |
| 19:05.07 | hackmiester[LT] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.10 | Orphis | Hi, I've got a problem with debian installation CD, when I try to boot it, my screen just stay black with a blinking cursor |
| 19:05.12 | hackmiester[LT] | :( |
| 19:05.27 | hackmiester[LT] | Orphis: did you check the md5? |
| 19:05.30 | hackmiester[LT] | before you burnt it? |
| 19:05.34 | Orphis | No |
| 19:05.37 | asg | !qotd190 |
| 19:05.37 | dpkg | perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor |
| 19:05.40 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: yeah but i dont need help from morons |
| 19:05.54 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: help is help. |
| 19:05.58 | perlmonkey | ive been at this like 4 hrs now so my patience is wearing thin and i dont tolerate idiots |
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| 19:06.08 | asg | !smart questions |
| 19:06.09 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 19:06.12 | Orphis | But I don't think it's a download problem, I've had the same problem with netinst |
| 19:06.21 | Absolute0 | anyone knows how i can use rythem box to copy songs from ipod to hd? |
| 19:06.26 | Absolute0 | i see the songs |
| 19:06.29 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: you should get commercial support than taking it out on poor asg ;-( |
| 19:06.30 | Absolute0 | but i cant drag them |
| 19:06.41 | perlmonkey | what about poor old perlmonkey |
| 19:06.46 | perlmonkey | being wound up by morons |
| 19:06.56 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: you cares about you. |
| 19:07.07 | Absolute0 | and importing them from the ipod wouldnt preserve the original filenames |
| 19:07.07 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: what wifi card is it??? |
| 19:07.20 | Orphis | But well, how can I easily test the md5 sum on windows ? |
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| 19:07.30 | perlmonkey | oh its a D-Link G650+ with a horrible TI chipset supported? by acx111 |
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| 19:08.09 | perlmonkey | the card is actually working fine without security enabled |
| 19:08.18 | norc | Can anybody explain to me why debian ships gcc without g++? |
| 19:08.21 | perlmonkey | but it just has a major problem with WPA it seems |
| 19:08.31 | perlmonkey | unless i have configured it wrong somewhere |
| 19:08.55 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: have you used the right firmware???http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Firmware |
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| 19:09.13 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: a how to say only one version will work |
| 19:09.14 | perlmonkey | ya as i said the card does work absolutely fine if i dont use WEP or WPA |
| 19:09.33 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: what is the ap? |
| 19:09.37 | hark | perlmonkey: the drivers in Debian are quite old as wols had said earlier.. maybe try the newer ones |
| 19:09.45 | perlmonkey | im using wpasuppliment |
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| 19:09.52 | perlmonkey | with the driver madwifi |
| 19:10.04 | Orphis | hackmiester[LT], the md5 is perfect |
| 19:10.14 | perlmonkey | that confuses me somewhat, is it normal to use a different driver in wpasuppliment than what your card is using? |
| 19:10.17 | Orphis | The media seems to be good |
| 19:10.19 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: is it ndiswrapper isn't it? |
| 19:10.22 | hackmiester[LT] | How are you booting the CD? does your machine boot other disks, Orphis? |
| 19:10.33 | Orphis | Yes it boots other disks |
| 19:10.33 | hark | Orphis: did you change nicks? |
| 19:10.39 | perlmonkey | no ndiswrapper isnt used/supported anymore by wpasuppliment |
| 19:10.44 | perlmonkey | madwifi has replaced it |
| 19:10.45 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: I don't think you use madwifi |
| 19:10.55 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: aah |
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| 19:11.01 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 19:11.16 | perlmonkey | the generic driver "wext" just throws a lot of crap up and refuses to start the card |
| 19:11.17 | Orphis | hark, no I haven't changed my nick |
| 19:11.22 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: does madwifi connect without? wpa wep? |
| 19:11.37 | perlmonkey | madwifi is the only driver which seems to be "working" but not authenticating |
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| 19:11.59 | perlmonkey | thats a good question i havent tried |
| 19:12.15 | perlmonkey | i wud say not tho |
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| 19:12.48 | perlmonkey | i remember the fun I had last time when I first bought the card trying to get it to work with ndiswrapper and then madwifi |
| 19:13.00 | Kevin` | i'm getting "cs: unable to map card memory!" when I plug in a card or try to run info commands, what does this mean? |
| 19:13.02 | perlmonkey | until someone told me about acx100 |
| 19:13.03 | Kevin` | and how do I fix it |
| 19:13.16 | Kevin` | madwifi is for atheros cards, heh |
| 19:13.16 | mfrisch | wlassistant and others also make connections easier |
| 19:13.32 | hark | perlmonkey: ah, so it's not the acx100-source driver then? |
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| 19:14.20 | perlmonkey | hark: yeah acx100-source thats it |
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| 19:14.58 | perlmonkey | perhaps wpasuppliment just can't work with acx100 driven cards |
| 19:15.56 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: does it load the mods? is the card seen (maybe lspci) |
| 19:15.59 | hark | ask wols, he seems to have used it(or at least knows about it).. iirc |
| 19:16.30 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: everything works fine, the card works absolutely 100% fine with a working connection |
| 19:16.57 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: then try one of the gui's and see if it can fetch the key |
| 19:17.00 | perlmonkey | its only when I try and use wpasuppliment to use WPA the connection no longer works, but from every other respect the card operates and looks normal |
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| 19:17.29 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 19:17.55 | Insolit | how do i get my graphics card bud ID? |
| 19:17.57 | Insolit | *bus |
| 19:18.03 | Kevin` | lspci |
| 19:18.09 | Kevin` | the numbers in the front |
| 19:18.24 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: you don't speak german do you? |
| 19:18.29 | hark | leave it blank (if you've got just one card or so) |
| 19:18.36 | hark | Insolit: ^ |
| 19:18.42 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: God NO. |
| 19:18.45 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 19:18.56 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: you got something to post? will try ;-) |
| 19:18.59 | hark | Orphis: do you see boot messages? |
| 19:19.03 | perlmonkey | i found a german linux site earlier with a posting from a guy with same prob as me, using same firmware |
| 19:19.06 | Insolit | Kevin`: you mean behind? |
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| 19:19.10 | perlmonkey | but couldnt understand any of it |
| 19:19.14 | Orphis | Nothing at all, it's just a blinking cursor |
| 19:19.15 | FlameBird | how do I change the permission of a file? |
| 19:19.19 | FlameBird | so that everyone can access it |
| 19:19.20 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: translate it. |
| 19:19.26 | Insolit | Kevin`: anyway tha's not in Xorg.conf format |
| 19:19.34 | perlmonkey | i tried but literal translators dont work too well |
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| 19:19.48 | FlameBird | !permission |
| 19:19.52 | FlameBird | !permissions |
| 19:19.52 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 19:19.55 | hark | Orphis: try booting with vga=normal or video=vesafb:off and see |
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| 19:20.14 | FlameBird | I copied a file with root |
| 19:20.19 | Orphis | How can i even type something when the cd isn't booting ? |
| 19:20.20 | FlameBird | how do I allow other users to use it?! |
| 19:20.32 | Malf | FlameBird: Use it how? read it, write to it, execute it? |
| 19:20.35 | asg | FlameBird: man chown |
| 19:20.38 | hark | Orphis: oh, it is the cd... |
| 19:20.41 | asg | FlameBird: man chmod |
| 19:20.46 | Orphis | Well, it is selected as a boot device but nothing happens... |
| 19:20.49 | FlameBird | Malf, everything |
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| 19:21.02 | FlameBird | asg, chmod 777 |
| 19:21.05 | Orphis | And the cd reads fine on other drives |
| 19:21.05 | FlameBird | ? |
| 19:21.13 | Malf | FlameBird: that would give everyone access to do anything to it |
| 19:21.14 | asg | FlameBird: no, don't do that |
| 19:21.25 | Malf | FlameBird: which is typically not what you want |
| 19:21.34 | hark | Orphis: just to clear things up, you haven;t installed it yet. |
| 19:21.34 | perlmonkey | looks like i need a new card I think |
| 19:21.37 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: you have seen this? http://guillermoesteves.com/blog/2006/06/08/how-to-get-a-d-link-dwl-g650-wi-fi-adapter-to-work-in-ubuntu-linux-6-06 |
| 19:22.08 | mfrisch | perlmonkey: athenos are good card. |
| 19:22.10 | Orphis | I have already installed debian on other computers in the past, but I haven't installed it yet on that computer |
| 19:22.14 | Malf | FlameBird: Is there a certain group of users who should have full access to it rather than everyone? |
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| 19:23.07 | hark | Orphis: ok, because someone earlier had this same issue.. only thing is that he had actually installed Debian already ;) |
| 19:23.32 | asg | Orphis: did you download the correct cd for your architecture? |
| 19:23.51 | Orphis | Of course ^^ i386 version |
| 19:24.05 | hark | funky bios? |
| 19:24.20 | FlameBird | Malf, its just a stupid song :D done! thanks for your help Malf asg |
| 19:24.28 | Orphis | Not really it's a simple award bios |
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| 19:24.49 | perlmonkey | mfrisch: thanks |
| 19:24.54 | mfrisch | perlmonkey ok |
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| 19:25.22 | smoker | hark, where i should copy firmware for usb wireless zd2101 ? we talk today about it ! :) |
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| 19:25.56 | AciD | is there any valid repository for debootstraping etch ? fr.debian.org seems to lack some packages |
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| 19:26.16 | hark | smoker: heh, we have someone else here with the black! problem now ;) |
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| 19:26.43 | hark | smoker: let me check |
| 19:27.13 | smoker | i find out about black screen after install! |
| 19:27.27 | DawnLight | helllo |
| 19:27.53 | smoker | i download (apt-get)gdm wdm and kdm ! and now no more problem with it ! |
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| 19:29.05 | hark | smoker: yes, unfortunately for him he can't even see the installer boot screen.. |
| 19:29.17 | smoker | me to ! |
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| 19:29.25 | asg | hark: is this using the text installer or the X installer? |
| 19:29.25 | magyar | hi, i can get my nouse to appear in qemu on sid |
| 19:29.31 | smoker | login in single mode ! |
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| 19:29.59 | magyar | hi, i can't get my mouse to appear in qemu on sid |
| 19:30.03 | magyar | better |
| 19:30.13 | rahul | 15:29 < nowhere_man> rahul: don't mock wooden spoons. they're comfortable to use and resistant |
| 19:30.21 | rahul | bahahaha |
| 19:30.35 | asg | rahul: #goatse |
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| 19:30.44 | rahul | HEH |
| 19:31.36 | hark | asg: the default, i guess (you have to specifically boot with installgui). Right Orphis ? |
| 19:31.54 | hark | smoker: what's the card again? |
| 19:31.55 | asg | hark: ah, okay |
| 19:31.55 | Orphis | I can't choose anything |
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| 19:32.09 | smoker | zd2101 |
| 19:32.11 | Orphis | It's like it fails to boot from the cd |
| 19:32.17 | Orphis | But I have no feedback |
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| 19:32.47 | AciD | how come debootstrap can t find the base-config package neither from http://ftp.debian.org/debian nor http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian ?? |
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| 19:33.00 | AciD | am I alone having this pb ? |
| 19:33.14 | asg | AciD: there is not base-config package in etch |
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| 19:33.18 | asg | *no |
| 19:33.35 | AciD | then why does debootstrap wants one ? :o |
| 19:33.46 | asg | AciD: are you using sarge's debootstrap? |
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| 19:34.14 | AciD | I m using the debootstrap etch /foo/bar http://ftp.debian.org/debian cmd lnie |
| 19:34.27 | asg | AciD: from which base system? |
| 19:34.37 | AciD | the debootstrap version is0.3.1.4 |
| 19:34.38 | muhoo_ | can i use i386 packages if i insteall the IA64 version of etch? |
| 19:34.43 | asg | !info debootstrap sarge |
| 19:34.45 | AciD | sarge system |
| 19:34.46 | muhoo_ | er, install |
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| 19:35.00 | h3sp4wn | etch uses 0.3.3 doesn't it |
| 19:35.00 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.45-0.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 19:35.04 | asg | AciD: then sarge's debootstrap would never have been updated to know that base-config was removed from etch I expect |
| 19:35.04 | redrain | Hi, I've a problem with Etch default kernel. I use a usb hub for my usb devices. When I attach a device to my hub I get this error: usb 1-1.2: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power Is this a known problem? Google gives nothing helpful |
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| 19:35.21 | h3sp4wn | 0.3.2 |
| 19:35.21 | asg | AciD: debootstrap sarge and then update that to etch using the standard update procedure. |
| 19:35.21 | AciD | ok, ill upgrade it then |
| 19:35.22 | hark | smoker: are you sure it's zd2101? |
| 19:35.37 | hark | smoker: and not zd1201? |
| 19:35.45 | AciD | asg > that or just upgrading debootstrap alone |
| 19:35.54 | smoker | zd1201 :( |
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| 19:36.00 | hark | !typosmite smoker |
| 19:36.01 | smoker | is it /usr/lib/hotplug/f |
| 19:36.01 | h3sp4wn | AciD: or just download the etch debootstrap deb |
| 19:36.13 | AciD | that s what i m doing |
| 19:36.14 | asg | AciD: that would work |
| 19:36.18 | AciD | thx for the tip |
| 19:36.35 | smoker | hark, sry ;) |
| 19:36.55 | bzed | redrain: read the message again, that's not a linux/kernel problem |
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| 19:37.05 | hark | ok, let's use teh googlefu now |
| 19:37.41 | asg | redrain: how many other devices do you have connected to your hub? |
| 19:37.46 | AciD | one question, if base-config doesn t exists anymore for etch, how can you install/reconfigure the base system, I mean, is there any meta package for that purpose ? |
| 19:37.57 | h3sp4wn | AciD: No |
| 19:37.58 | asg | AciD: there isn't |
| 19:38.14 | hark | smoker: this is the Zydas card right? |
| 19:38.18 | redrain | asg, There is only one usb memory now |
| 19:38.23 | asg | hmmm |
| 19:38.54 | smoker | hark, yes |
| 19:38.55 | hark | smoker: here, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/linux-lc100020/zd1201-0.14-fw.tar.gz?download |
| 19:38.56 | asg | redrain: if you remove that and plug in the device that is giving you problems, does it cause the same error? |
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| 19:39.15 | smoker | iok thx : |
| 19:39.19 | montoya | Hi |
| 19:39.21 | montoya | http://rafb.net/p/GSRzpR74.html |
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| 19:39.23 | bzed | redrain: it just says, that the device you're trying to attach yould drain more power then the port can deliver. use an usb hub or try another port |
| 19:39.27 | redrain | asg, No, without hub it works fine |
| 19:39.36 | hark | smoker: extract it in /lib/firmware/ |
| 19:39.38 | bzed | redrain: is your hub powered? |
| 19:39.48 | bzed | redrain: with an external power supply |
| 19:40.01 | redrain | bzed, This hub was working with sarge just fine |
| 19:40.12 | montoya | :( |
| 19:40.27 | redrain | bzed, No, the hub use only a usb cable |
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| 19:41.02 | xingu | redrain: the linux-2.6 usb stack actually manages power budgets; this is a relatively recent thing; the sarge kernel is ~likely to be silently letting you overload the port. |
| 19:41.04 | bzed | redrain: then I'd attach an external power supply to the hub, usually the devices know when they need too much power to be supplied from the usb port |
| 19:41.06 | hark | smoker: all .fw's must be in the firmware directory itself, not in a folder FYI. then try modprobing it again. Check iwconfig then |
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| 19:41.28 | hark | smoker: if not successful, see dmesg |
| 19:41.31 | montoya | It's possibile to fix this warning? |
| 19:42.21 | xingu | redrain: if it's any consolation, the windows usb stack would also alert to the same fault; power drain and supply levels are implicit in peripheral and host spec in usb-land and what the current kernel is doing is correct from a hw perspective. |
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| 19:42.49 | magyar | hi, looking for an os emulation packge |
| 19:42.56 | asg | magyar: which os? |
| 19:42.57 | xingu | redrain: lsusb -v if you want the gory details. |
| 19:43.00 | redrain | bzed, xingu I don't have a power supply for this hub. I think this means I can't use this hub with this kernel |
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| 19:43.07 | magyar | asg: win xp |
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| 19:43.18 | asg | magyar: qemu or vmware |
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| 19:43.47 | xingu | redrain: have a look at lsusb -v and see if there's something you can disconnect to get the port back under budget |
| 19:43.50 | magyar | asg: qemu is not working proper on sid, no mouse at all |
| 19:43.58 | asg | magyar: then check the bts |
| 19:44.16 | magyar | asg: what about xen? |
| 19:44.20 | xingu | redrain: if not - you're stuffed and you need a powered hub unless your existing one can have a powerpack or battery fitted. |
| 19:44.23 | asg | magyar: for running windows? hahaha |
| 19:44.27 | hark | magyar: what cpu? |
| 19:44.43 | Insolit | bug in debian repository, there's no xorg-videomode-intel available |
| 19:44.44 | magyar | hark: intel |
| 19:44.59 | hark | magyar: intel yes, but what cpu? |
| 19:45.07 | montoya | http://rafb.net/p/GSRzpR74.html |
| 19:45.12 | magyar | hark, 6700 |
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| 19:45.39 | asg | montoya: is it causing a problem or are you just concerned about the warning? |
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| 19:47.16 | hark | magyar: you can give xen a try |
| 19:47.40 | montoya | problem with font (fonts of firefox) |
| 19:47.48 | robewald | hi, a question about apt: how can I find out in post-invoke which package was installed? |
| 19:47.50 | markybob | iceweasel |
| 19:48.24 | asg | robewald: find /var/lib/dpkg/info -type f -mtime -1 (packages installed in the last 24 hours) |
| 19:48.52 | asg | robewald: or /var/log/dpkg.log (if you are using etch or later) |
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| 19:49.20 | robewald | asg: cool thanks |
| 19:49.29 | asg | robewald: you're welcome |
| 19:49.39 | montoya | yes iceweasel ;) |
| 19:49.40 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 19:49.48 | perlmonkey | i was wasting my time |
| 19:49.52 | perlmonkey | There is no WPA support in the ACX100 driver (yet). |
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| 19:51.13 | hark | perlmonkey: wasn't this mentioned earlier? |
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| 19:52.54 | magyar | hark: sure will |
| 19:53.06 | magyar | why was asg laughing |
| 19:53.08 | magyar | ? |
| 19:53.37 | hark | magyar: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2006-11/msg00647.html |
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| 19:54.03 | markybob | montoya: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 19:54.08 | hark | he's still here shh ;) |
| 19:54.44 | Insolit | what are debian's official repositories? |
| 19:54.54 | asg | Insolit: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:55.04 | Insolit | thnks |
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| 19:55.32 | magyar | hark: my host os is debian sid,and i would like to emulate win-xp |
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| 19:55.56 | hark | yeah that'd be cool |
| 19:56.09 | magyar | hark: roger, thank you |
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| 19:57.13 | hark | heh, np |
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| 20:03.56 | quarkhead | ok, now when i boot i dont get the login line as usual. instead i get: "hostname login: e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link down e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex" When i hit enter i get the normal "login:" I wonder if i have been hacked or some thing. I lost internett and had to Reset my modem/router also ;@{ |
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| 20:04.39 | asg | quarkhead: no, that's just the e100 kernel module spewing info to console after the login prompt comes up |
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| 20:05.00 | asg | quarkhead: if you don't want to see those messages on console, /msg dpkg klogd |
| 20:05.02 | hark | klogd stuff |
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| 20:05.28 | quarkhead | ok, but it has not been like that before, why now? |
| 20:05.46 | hark | smoker: well, about to go. did the modprobe work? |
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| 20:06.01 | asg | quarkhead: matter of timing? You router/modem is having issue? Could be a lot of things. |
| 20:06.17 | xingu | magyar: kvm's mouse pointer looks fine here fwiw |
| 20:06.24 | muhoo_ | all the dvd-rom support sites keep asking me for my "ID String", and point me to some windoze tool to get the "ID String" of a DVD drive. what is an "ID String" and how can i obtain it without windoze? |
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| 20:06.48 | hark | quarkhead: look in /etc/sysctl.conf for the kernel.print line. Then sysctl -p |
| 20:06.48 | muhoo_ | cdrecord -scanbus doesn't seem to provide the string |
| 20:07.03 | hark | *printk |
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| 20:07.33 | quarkhead | ok |
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| 20:09.38 | muhoo_ | hmm wonder if they mean the USB id string, but still, that doesn't look right either |
| 20:09.48 | laura3 | !nspluginwrapper |
| 20:09.48 | dpkg | nspluginwrapper is probably a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 20:10.15 | hark | muhoo_: maybe try with hwinfo |
| 20:10.30 | hark | muhoo_: hwinfo --cdrom |
| 20:11.33 | asg | laura3: you can also /msg the bot |
| 20:11.35 | smoker | hark, no modprobe ! i run make and copy untared dirto/lib/firmware/ |
| 20:11.47 | laura3 | asg aye |
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| 20:11.50 | smoker | hark, thx for BIG help and TIME |
| 20:12.41 | hark | yw :) |
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| 20:12.51 | quarkhead | ;@} sysctl.conf modified and now it is fine ;@} |
| 20:13.09 | quarkhead | tnx |
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| 20:13.59 | asg | MIT must be hell |
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| 20:15.02 | hark | heh, have noticed various other ones :) |
| 20:15.33 | asg | quite so |
| 20:16.23 | hark | WAFFLEZ.MIT.EDU |
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| 20:17.39 | Inf3rn0 | (Etch) dhclient starts trying to aquire an IP address when I boot my computer even if there is no cable connected to the NIC (or WiFi is active. It does it for both my connections) and this causes my computer to boot slowly. Anything I can do to stop this? |
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| 20:17.57 | markybob | Inf3rn0: ctrl+c out of it |
| 20:18.00 | Zta | The PlayStation3 can comminucate with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. I don't have one of those, but I do have a laptop with bluetooth, running Linux. Shouldn't it be possible to write a small program that forewards laptop keyboard and mouse input to the bluetooth sender, and have that act as a combined bluetooth keyboard and mouse? |
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| 20:18.06 | asg | Inf3rn0: remove the 'auto ...' line from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:18.18 | Zta | Does it exist? =) |
| 20:19.52 | |chiz| | if I want to run rdate -s <server_name> as root when ever I log in is there an easy way to do that? |
| 20:20.08 | asg | |chiz|: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 20:20.25 | markybob | |chiz|: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 20:20.40 | asg | |chiz|: disregard that, read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:21.03 | asg | !factinfo rc.local |
| 20:21.03 | dpkg | rc.local -- last modified at Mon Apr 2 07:42:15 2007 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 3 times, last by markybob, 27s ago. |
| 20:21.08 | |chiz| | its just that my time is always slow by 3 hours when I reboot and if I run the rdate it fixes it |
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| 20:22.58 | |chiz| | that link looks good |
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| 20:24.03 | HyperDevi | where can i find debian logo/icon for my website? |
| 20:24.03 | asg | |chiz|: there is an example script in /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 20:24.03 | |chiz| | ash: yeah I remember that now thanks |
| 20:24.03 | markybob | HyperDevi: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 20:24.03 | asg | HyperDevi: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 20:24.03 | HyperDevi | foundit :) |
| 20:24.03 | HyperDevi | thankls |
| 20:25.03 | xand | hello ducks |
| 20:25.20 | asg | quack quack |
| 20:25.26 | xand | quack! |
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| 20:28.55 | xand | beware of what? |
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| 20:29.08 | xingu | ay oop me duck |
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| 20:29.17 | beware | of nothing in particular |
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| 20:29.57 | xingu | beware the llama spits; and he was. |
| 20:30.07 | rahul | !amanda |
| 20:30.07 | dpkg | from memory, amanda is Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (a backup system) http://www.amanda.org/ |
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| 20:30.49 | markybob | rahul: might wanna also consider http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:32.48 | RubenGA | Hi, until debian sarge security issues will be supported? |
| 20:33.00 | pingouin | is there a way (command line) to get informations on my screen resolution/ refrech rate ? (xvidtune said : this screen is not tunable) ? please, thanks for help |
| 20:33.17 | asg | RubenGA: a year or less if lenny releases before then |
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| 20:33.29 | hark | xrandr and xdpyinfo |
| 20:33.37 | RubenGA | thanks |
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| 20:34.05 | Winkie_ | enough of this winksing |
| 20:34.19 | pinks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:35.17 | pingouin | hark: perfect ! thanks you |
| 20:35.59 | Supaplex | pingouin: --rsync-path |
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| 20:36.19 | Supaplex | pingouin: requires creativity. (eg, write a wrapper) |
| 20:36.27 | pingouin | wrong guy Supaplex ;) |
| 20:36.32 | pinks | :D |
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| 20:36.41 | pingouin | what is AIGLX ? |
| 20:36.55 | pinks | Supaplex: can you expand a little - I'm not expert;-) |
| 20:36.58 | pingouin | got a bunch of warning in xorg log about it |
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| 20:37.55 | Supaplex | pinks: ask again in a few hours, maybe. have a deadline to meet. |
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| 20:39.11 | pinks | Supaplex: reading man at the moment - thanks for the pointer ;-) |
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| 20:42.33 | tonyb2006 | egads |
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| 20:43.12 | jkonami | hey all |
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| 20:43.35 | magyar | we lost england |
| 20:43.55 | dvs | who cares about the redcoats! ;-) |
| 20:44.00 | magyar | ehehe |
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| 20:44.14 | jkonami | so I'm trying to upgrade rdesktop on this DSL cd I made - problem is when I try to update rdesktop, it gets stuck on makedev or something and errors out |
| 20:44.30 | amphi | magyar: you lost england? how did you manage that? it's not like it's a set of car keys, is it? |
| 20:44.49 | asg | jkonami: try #damnsmalllinux |
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| 20:45.18 | magyar | amphi: snatch |
| 20:45.31 | amphi | magyar: good catch ;) |
| 20:45.33 | jkonami | asg: I came in here thinking I'd be more likely to get an answer - it's a more populous channel and its a debian thing I figured |
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| 20:46.07 | magyar | amphi: love that flick |
| 20:46.27 | asg | jkonami: it's a problem with whatever version of rdesktop that they packaged. Since we don't run it, we can't possibly know what version they are using. |
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| 20:48.04 | h3sp4wn | jkonami: or try the debian based live cd mailing list |
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| 20:49.33 | cr3 | is there a way to check pkg integrity? for example, if an .so file was overwritten by accident? |
| 20:49.45 | asg | cr3: debsums |
| 20:49.54 | cr3 | asg: cheers, I'll check it out |
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| 20:52.35 | cr3 | is there a way to log what's going on in the shell? for example, I'd like to keep a log of the commands I type and their output |
| 20:52.42 | asg | cr3: script |
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| 20:53.41 | seriouslycgi | hey can anyone tell me: i have an external connection using port 6000 (xwindows service) would this be a hacking attempt? |
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| 20:54.02 | solemnwarning | I want to install an MDA on my server, to sort messages into folders, all mail accounts are system accounts using maildir in ~/Maildir, what would be a good MTA to use? |
| 20:54.10 | solemnwarning | s/MTA/MDA/ |
| 20:54.18 | asg | solemnwarning: procmail |
| 20:54.23 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 20:54.53 | respider | hi, my terminal is taking forever to open when the internet gets slow.. when internet returns to normality, the terminal open... anyone know what can this be? |
| 20:54.55 | asg | seriouslycgi: you have port 6000 listening? |
| 20:55.01 | HardDisk_WP | how can I build my own Debian Lenny installation media? |
| 20:55.31 | asg | HardDisk_WP: out of curiosity, why would you want to do that? |
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| 20:56.20 | seriouslycgi | asg yes connected atcually |
| 20:56.52 | asg | seriouslycgi: by default, Debian doesn't listen on 6000. Did you change this default and, if so, why? |
| 20:56.53 | seriouslycgi | and i have three firewalls asg |
| 20:57.02 | seriouslycgi | asg no i didnt |
| 20:57.03 | HardDisk_WP | asg, i want a cd-rom which includes a bit other packages than the standards |
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| 20:57.11 | markybob | HardDisk_WP: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 20:57.31 | asg | HardDisk_WP: or build a base chroot system and use bootcd to create a live-cd with installer capabilities. |
| 20:57.48 | asg | seriouslycgi: pastebin the output of netstat -apnut |
| 20:58.10 | cr3 | asg: when typing "script file.log", I get: zsh: No such file or directory |
| 20:58.38 | HardDisk_WP | umm, that seems difficult. |
| 20:58.40 | HardDisk_WP | thanks! |
| 20:59.12 | asg | cr3: do you have /usr/bin/script ? |
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| 21:00.48 | cr3 | asg: yes, it just seems unhappy that I'm using zsh rather than bash. works fine on a system running bash |
| 21:01.06 | asg | cr3: hmmm, odd. |
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| 21:02.00 | asg | cr3: does it work if you type '/usr/bin/script foo.log'? How about just '/usr/bin/script'? |
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| 21:02.47 | topnotch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.56 | respider | hi, my terminal is taking forever to open when the internet gets slow.. when internet returns to normality, the terminal open... anyone know what can this be? |
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| 21:04.35 | asg | respider: can you define 'terminal' in this context? |
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| 21:04.54 | respider | asg: gnome-terminal, xterm, aterm, etc |
| 21:05.05 | agent | Does anyone know what manufacturers make ultra-portable (12-13" screen) laptops with trackpoints besides IBM/Lenovo? |
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| 21:05.20 | cr3 | asg: weird! I tried some other tests and script works fine when running it from an xterm but returns that error message I provided earlier when running it within screen :( |
| 21:06.28 | cr3 | asg: when the error appears, I don't get a prompt. instead, I just get my cursor at the beginning of the line which echos what I type and nothing else |
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| 21:07.21 | asg | respider: you might try 'strace <some term>' and see what the last lines say, if anything. |
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| 21:08.12 | asg | seriouslycgi: I don't see anything listening on 6000 from that output nor any ESTABLISHED connection no 6000. What info are you using to determine someone is currently connected to 6000? |
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| 21:08.19 | respider | asg, ok, when internet gets slow again I will try this, didnt know this command |
| 21:08.30 | nix | wee |
| 21:09.02 | nix | i just succesfully converted my i386 etch install to amd64 |
| 21:09.33 | seriouslycgi | asg firestarter has it under active connections |
| 21:09.34 | pingouin | after an fresh new install of Etch, fonts in seamonkey/firefox..are awfully crispy..what is missing ? please |
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| 21:15.26 | asg | seriouslycgi: I'm not familiar with firestarter so I can't say what it's doing. It's possible that it is DROPing connections (i.e., holding blocked inbounds until the TCP timeout occurs) which would explain it. |
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| 21:22.15 | frankr | how can I install new ttf fonts |
| 21:22.32 | xand | !fonts |
| 21:22.32 | dpkg | somebody said fonts was check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 21:22.42 | mfrisch | frankr: you get shorewall to work? |
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| 21:23.18 | seriouslycgi | asg, i reset and its gone but ill keep my eye on it |
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| 21:23.52 | pingouin | my fonts are crispy with seamonkey.firefox , i've apt-get install xfs and a lot of fonts package, but nothing change , what can i do ? with Etch fresh install |
| 21:23.53 | asg | seriouslycgi: okay |
| 21:24.40 | asg | pingouin: type 'about:config' in the URL bar. Make sure the anti-aliasing options are enabled. |
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| 21:26.25 | pingouin | asg: is does. font.antialias.min default integer 10 |
| 21:26.52 | StyXman | pingouin: take it down to 8? |
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| 21:27.37 | mustmr | what if i turned off my computer during install? |
| 21:27.53 | xand | what if you did? |
| 21:28.07 | mustmr | how can i get back to where i was? |
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| 21:28.16 | xand | erm, head |
| 21:28.17 | seriouslycgi | just start again |
| 21:28.19 | mustmr | :( |
| 21:28.19 | asg | mustmr: start again |
| 21:28.29 | asg | mustmr: it doesn't take long to install Debian |
| 21:28.35 | mustmr | but it took me 3h to download the packages =/ |
| 21:28.41 | seriouslycgi | net install? |
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| 21:28.45 | mustmr | yep |
| 21:28.46 | Dave_is_sexy | I can't post to the Debain newsgroups via Gmane. I have waited days for moderation |
| 21:28.49 | dvs | on dialup? |
| 21:28.54 | mustmr | cable |
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| 21:29.01 | asg | mustmr: then do the smart thing and install a base minimal system. Then add the other bits. |
| 21:29.02 | xbaez | hi how you doing ! |
| 21:29.03 | dvs | switch to DSL |
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| 21:29.08 | pickcoder | the mirrors have been busy |
| 21:29.15 | pickcoder | since Etch was released |
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| 21:29.23 | mustmr | dvs, in my country, net connections are slow |
| 21:29.24 | xand | I've been getting good speeds |
| 21:29.26 | pickcoder | it will settle down eventually |
| 21:29.36 | pickcoder | xand: 100k is good? |
| 21:29.36 | Mazingaro | does anyone want to know how I solved the problem with pxeboot to install debian 4.0? |
| 21:29.41 | pickcoder | I used to get 300k |
| 21:29.47 | Dave_is_sexy | I tried before then. It was just convenient that etch got released on the day I have set aside to install 3.1 |
| 21:29.49 | xand | pickcoder: about 30MB/s |
| 21:29.50 | pickcoder | on a T |
| 21:29.56 | mustmr | my connection max is 70k/s |
| 21:29.57 | seriouslycgi | download the full first cd mustmr |
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| 21:30.11 | xand | pickcoder: yes, that's 30 megabytes/sec :) |
| 21:30.14 | mustmr | seriouslycgi, does it have what i need? |
| 21:30.23 | xand | erm |
| 21:30.23 | dvs | mustmr: install the base first, then install the goodies afterwards |
| 21:30.28 | xand | no it's not, it's 30Mbps. |
| 21:30.30 | xand | but anyway |
| 21:30.32 | pickcoder | xand: my point is that the mirrors I have been using have dropped significantly since Etch released |
| 21:30.41 | seriouslycgi | base install and gnome should be on there i think |
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| 21:30.50 | frankr | mfrisch, not yet, I haven't worked on my software router in a while |
| 21:30.52 | lilbluemarbl | instapoll.. folks what do you use for a calendar/todo list manager? |
| 21:30.55 | mustmr | is there a pkg list? |
| 21:30.59 | asg | pickcoder: it happens with every release |
| 21:31.03 | lilbluemarbl | anyone using the tcl based ical? |
| 21:31.05 | xand | that's from www.mirrorservice.org which is on the same LAN as my work PC ;) but I haven't noticed slowdown at home |
| 21:31.13 | asg | mustmr: list for what? |
| 21:31.13 | intruder | pickcoder: thats pretty normal, everyone is updating |
| 21:31.19 | pickcoder | asg: I know.. I'm just stating that slow download speeds are in conjunction with the release |
| 21:31.25 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 21:31.26 | xand | mustmr: maybe you could copy all the .deb files somewhere |
| 21:31.28 | asg | pickcoder: 70k/s isn't slow |
| 21:31.28 | mustmr | asg, packages in the 1st cd |
| 21:31.36 | asg | mustmr: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 21:31.47 | pickcoder | asg: after getting 300k, 100k is three times slower |
| 21:32.14 | asg | pickcoder: that gives you a threefold increase in pubtime though |
| 21:32.21 | seriouslycgi | lol |
| 21:32.24 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 21:32.35 | pickcoder | I know |
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| 21:32.49 | xand | lilbluemarbl: post-it notes :P |
| 21:32.53 | lilbluemarbl | :)) |
| 21:32.54 | asg | or donate machines/bandwidth/become a mirror |
| 21:33.14 | lilbluemarbl | sunbird is too ..weird.. too much space.. and too many clicks :( |
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| 21:33.16 | pickcoder | I'm not complaining.... I'm just saying <as a general notation> that the mirrors are slow because Etch released |
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| 21:33.39 | pickcoder | mustmr: said it took him 3hrs |
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| 21:34.55 | Guerin | pickcoder: in other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and paris hilton is a ho |
| 21:35.03 | mustmr | pickcoder, that's cause my net is slow |
| 21:35.11 | mustmr | it hits 70kb/s tops |
| 21:35.12 | pickcoder | if globalnet hadn't chopped the bandwidth to my dedibox in the US I'd offered a mirror |
| 21:35.18 | pickcoder | s/in/from |
| 21:35.26 | dvs | mustmr: kilobits? |
| 21:35.42 | mustmr | KB/s |
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| 21:35.56 | pickcoder | I just dropped that machine today, so I'm back to DSL hosting.. :/ |
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| 21:36.13 | pickcoder | can't deal with slower than dial-up responses when typing |
| 21:37.33 | kerframil | Hi. I don't seem to be having any luck in getting etch's samba package to use gamin(/inotify). I've used the appropriate smb.conf directives and, afaik, debian is supposed to support it (if bug #400617) is anything to go by. |
| 21:37.52 | kerframil | wondered if anyone had any ideas |
| 21:38.03 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 21:38.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen sex-crazed badgers. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 21:38.17 | mfrisch | frankr: cool. |
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| 21:39.03 | maddash | dpkg: sicko |
| 21:39.04 | dpkg | i guess sicko is what a chiq would say to you if you were viewing pr0n behind her back, or see sicco |
| 21:39.41 | sphenxes | . |
| 21:40.06 | Guerin | kerframil: unfortunately, i know nothing about samba, so all I can offer at this stage is humorous distraction |
| 21:40.15 | kerframil | Guerin: that's OK |
| 21:40.24 | wols | Guerin: don't you always? :P |
| 21:40.30 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:40.37 | Guerin | wols: damn you and your logic! |
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| 21:41.37 | asg | Guerin: humorous distractions are apparently not well received in #d today |
| 21:41.52 | Coweater | will lsof list every shared library in use? |
| 21:41.57 | Guerin | tough crowd, eh |
| 21:42.10 | pickcoder | it's not Sunday yet |
| 21:42.11 | dalias | coweater, probably |
| 21:42.12 | asg | Guerin: not enough drunks |
| 21:42.29 | asg | Guerin: sounds like you still are |
| 21:42.41 | Guerin | possible |
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| 21:44.50 | kerframil | Guerin: well, in case you were even vaguely interested, I discovered that smbd doesn't link to libfam.so and so, the package simply doesn't support it. which is a source of great annoyance to me. |
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| 21:45.15 | Guerin | kerframil: is there a separate sabma-fam package? |
| 21:45.27 | kerframil | Guerin: no |
| 21:45.42 | Guerin | i generally oppose fam |
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| 21:45.52 | Guerin | but I can see samba as one place it might be useful |
| 21:45.58 | Guerin | so that's pretty stupid |
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| 21:46.08 | streuner | !moo |
| 21:46.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:46.13 | kerframil | Guerin: so do I, but I'm not really talking about fam, I'm talking about inotify (which is simply wonderful) and gamin (which fools fam-compliant apps into using inotify) |
| 21:46.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:46.49 | kerframil | Guerin: it is the 21st century and it is reasonable for an operating system to have coherent way to efficiently monitor a filesystem for activity (and for apps to play ball)! |
| 21:46.56 | kerframil | imho :) |
| 21:47.06 | kerframil | and yes, it is extremely useful for samba |
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| 21:47.52 | Kronuz | hello |
| 21:48.18 | Guerin | i want ponies from my OS too |
| 21:48.30 | Guerin | but |
| 21:48.34 | Guerin | !nopony me |
| 21:48.34 | dpkg | guerin: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 21:48.38 | Guerin | :( |
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| 21:48.43 | Kronuz | hey, how would I use an 'experimental' package? do I have to download it myself (as a .deb file)? can't I just add an experimental repository? are there any? |
| 21:48.50 | Guerin | kerframil: you don't. |
| 21:48.57 | Guerin | Kronuz: you don't. |
| 21:49.01 | js_ | any idea why BLKTAP is disabled in the debian xen kernel? |
| 21:49.10 | Kronuz | like for instance, I'd like to add postgresql 8.2, but it's only experimental, etch doesn't have 8.2 |
| 21:49.17 | pickcoder | transaction based logging and triggers is not a new idea, even for a FS |
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| 21:49.31 | Guerin | Kronuz: experimental is like `hey, what's this powder in this vial ... maybe I'll snort it and see if it gets me high' |
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| 21:49.56 | Guerin | pickcoder: i think his point is that we continue to wait for a functional implementation. |
| 21:50.03 | dvs | ...and it turns out to be cayenne peppers? |
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| 21:50.36 | pickcoder | Guerin: maybe that's because there isn't a decent FS on Debian that can do transactional triggers? |
| 21:50.46 | Guerin | dvs: i was thinking rat poison, but the same principle holds. |
| 21:50.48 | Kronuz | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/misc/postgresql-8.2 |
| 21:50.54 | pickcoder | I dunno.. I don't keep up with file system features |
| 21:51.08 | Guerin | pickcoder: dunno. Over my head now. |
| 21:51.24 | pickcoder | ext3 is a hack, if you ask me but atleast is journals the buffer I/O |
| 21:51.33 | pickcoder | s/is/it |
| 21:51.40 | Kronuz | there's the postgresql package, but to me it's still confusing what's the best way of installing packages not in the default repositories (gnome 2.18 is another example) |
| 21:51.40 | peppe | Kronuz: you can: add a line like deb http://ftp.[..].debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main |
| 21:51.51 | wintix | any ideas how to get iceweasel to display tabs in more lines than just one that scrolls to the left and right? i already crawled through about:config but didn't really find something. |
| 21:51.52 | peppe | then install with apt-get install -t experimental postgresql8.2 |
| 21:51.56 | tvynr | This one's jolly. Does anyone know in which package I can find KDE's mime type information? Every time I try to run kpdf under my chroot I get "could not find mime type: application/octet-stream" followed by "no mime types installed". |
| 21:52.00 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 21:52.25 | Kronuz | peppe: and will that get rid of the other postgresql? the 8.1 version I currently have installed? |
| 21:52.36 | rahul | 17:42 * Guerin was enough drunks last night |
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| 21:52.46 | rahul | hehehehHAR |
| 21:52.59 | rahul | that deserved to be a qotd |
| 21:53.03 | peppe | Kronuz: if the package in experimental conflicts && replaces the old one, yes |
| 21:53.53 | rahul | dpkg qotd200 is * Guerin was enough drunks last night |
| 21:53.53 | dpkg | okay, rahul |
| 21:54.05 | Kronuz | peppe: okay, I'm in my sources.lst file and it says something like: "deb URL etch main contrib non-free" |
| 21:54.21 | Kronuz | peppe: instead of etch, I should use "../project/experimental" ? |
| 21:54.26 | Guerin | Kronuz: no |
| 21:54.33 | Guerin | Kronuz: you shouldn't use anything |
| 21:54.45 | Guerin | Kronuz: if you MUST have that version, you should rebuild it |
| 21:54.55 | Guerin | so /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:55.13 | Guerin | Kronuz: but be advised that this will disqualify you from any help in #debian |
| 21:55.23 | Kronuz | hehe |
| 21:55.39 | Kronuz | I just want a feature in pgsql 8.2 not available in 8.1 |
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| 21:55.47 | rolandlakr | I'm about to adventure into my first release change (from Etch to Lenny), any useful documents I should read first? |
| 21:55.59 | Guerin | Kronuz: and now you know how to go about getting it |
| 21:56.18 | Kronuz | Guerin: not really, I'm still confused a bit :( |
| 21:56.20 | Guerin | rolandlakr: the release notes has a good section on upgrading from sarge->etch, much of the same applies |
| 21:56.21 | mfrisch | rolandlakr: should be painless |
| 21:56.34 | Guerin | Kronuz: this is a good sign that you should not yet be undertaking this task |
| 21:57.00 | Kronuz | :( |
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| 21:57.12 | Kevin` | !find atmel_at76c502.bin |
| 21:57.13 | rolandlakr | mfrisch: Heh, well I'd like to read about it some being etch was the first debian I used.. |
| 21:57.15 | peppe | etch->lenny? how many packages are different right now from stable to testing? |
| 21:57.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'atmel_at76c502.bin' (1): (/lib/firmware/atmel_at76c502.bin) in non-free/net/atmel-firmware. |
| 21:57.31 | rolandlakr | Guerin: Thanks |
| 21:57.36 | Guerin | peppe: not many, but it only takes one to break horribly |
| 21:57.43 | Guerin | but yeah, chances are it'll be fine |
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| 21:58.01 | peppe | Guerin: apt-listbugs and cross your fingers :) |
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| 21:58.46 | Kronuz | Guerin: will it be as easy as just to change all etch occurrences in my sources.list to lenny and then do an update/upgrade to get the lenny version instead of etch ? |
| 21:58.56 | Kronuz | (when lenny is stable enough, of course) |
| 21:59.12 | mfrisch | rolandlakr: there is this too but it is dated...switch apt-get with aptitude and the souces to lenny |
| 21:59.28 | mfrisch | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=76 |
| 22:01.09 | Kronuz | where can I know what repositories are available and what they're for? |
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| 22:01.49 | Kronuz | 'cause I have security.debian.org as well as ftp.debian.org... and then I have the deb and deb-src for each... |
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| 22:02.13 | Kronuz | (in my sources.list) |
| 22:02.32 | Mazingaro | does anyone know how to send webcam to other people in chat with kopete (msn)? |
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| 22:04.41 | Guerin | Kronuz: read man sources.list |
| 22:04.46 | tvynr | Note to all AMD64 users (as I'm assuming this chat is being logged): if you have a 32-bit chroot and your 32-bit KPDF produces the error messages "could not find mime type: application/octet-stream" followed by "no mime types installed", it is likely that you do not have /var/tmp bind mounted. |
| 22:04.48 | Guerin | Kronuz: it *can* be that easy but isn't always |
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| 22:05.06 | drexxi | hi |
| 22:05.06 | drexxi | can somebody tell me a tool to see global up/down record and traffic strats in kb/s ? |
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| 22:07.41 | wintix | drexxi: vnstat? |
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| 22:08.13 | wintix | drexxi: 'apt-cache search stat | grep network' might help you. |
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| 22:09.30 | Guerin | drexxi: how much detail do you want? |
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| 22:09.34 | Coweater | i'm running etch, if i change my sources.list to lenny and do an update, can i stay on etch by just reverting and updating again? |
| 22:09.37 | yopi | hiya, anyone knows a fix for the pnpbios kernel error of the 2.6.8-2? |
| 22:09.40 | Guerin | Coweater: no. |
| 22:09.48 | yopi | shall I upgrade to an unstable kernel version? |
| 22:09.49 | Guerin | yopi: upgrade to etch |
| 22:09.55 | Guerin | yopi: absolutely not |
| 22:10.00 | Absolute0 | in order to swith to testing i just replace main with lenny? |
| 22:10.07 | yopi | etch, sounds good |
| 22:10.13 | Guerin | Absolute0: no, replace etch or stable with lenny |
| 22:10.22 | Absolute0 | and then? |
| 22:10.24 | drexxi | not that much |
| 22:10.32 | drexxi | only in/out in kb/s or mb/s |
| 22:10.33 | Kronuz | hmm... stable is the same as etch right now? |
| 22:10.34 | Absolute0 | apt-get update ? |
| 22:10.37 | drexxi | no packets usw |
| 22:10.42 | drexxi | very simple |
| 22:10.45 | wintix | Kronuz: yes. |
| 22:10.46 | Kronuz | Guerin: so I can always just have stable there? |
| 22:10.47 | Guerin | drexxi: vnstat is your man |
| 22:11.01 | Guerin | Kronuz: sure. |
| 22:11.04 | mlk | Hi. I'm currently running Etch on my home server. I want to upgrade to Lenny. Should I just change all occurrences of "Etch" to "Lenny" in my sources.list and then run dist-upgrade? Are there any culprits I should be aware of? |
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| 22:11.11 | Kronuz | I suppose having stable there all the time is better then |
| 22:11.19 | Guerin | mlk: yes. |
| 22:11.28 | Kronuz | as it would automatically update to a newer release when ready |
| 22:11.35 | mlk | Guerin: Yes as in what? |
| 22:11.37 | Kronuz | (when it becomes stable) |
| 22:11.46 | Guerin | mlk: yes as in `that is the correct course of action' |
| 22:11.58 | Guerin | mlk: apt-listbugs should (in princeipl) alert you to gotchas |
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| 22:12.19 | Guerin | Kronuz: it's better to manually do upgrades like that |
| 22:12.24 | mlk | Guerin: Cool. Hope it goes smoothly. How do I use apt-listbugs? |
| 22:12.27 | Guerin | but YMMV |
| 22:12.45 | Guerin | mlk: just installl it and it does the rest |
| 22:12.45 | Guerin | mlk: it should be fine |
| 22:12.48 | Guerin | !upgrade |
| 22:12.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 22:12.54 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:13.00 | mlk | Guerin: I'll try it. Thanks |
| 22:13.01 | Guerin | !etch->lenny |
| 22:13.02 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 22:13.08 | Kronuz | I'm still confused tho'... I thought sid was going to be the name of the next release after etch... and it's lenny |
| 22:13.13 | drexxi | Guerin i want to see the current speed not traffic |
| 22:13.17 | Guerin | Kronuz: sid never gets released |
| 22:13.23 | Kronuz | oh |
| 22:13.23 | Guerin | drexxi: oh. ntop. |
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| 22:14.03 | me_here | why does update-initramfs not take -k all this time ? |
| 22:14.07 | me_here | in lenny ? |
| 22:14.08 | Kronuz | Guerin: it's always like the next release (ever) |
| 22:14.23 | Guerin | Kronuz: sid is always unstable |
| 22:14.33 | Guerin | mlk: because of the reason |
| 22:14.35 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:14.39 | Guerin | me_here: because of the reason |
| 22:14.43 | Kronuz | so sid is always the newest stuff? |
| 22:14.49 | Thms | yes |
| 22:14.50 | Guerin | Kronuz: more or less |
| 22:14.58 | Absolute0 | is it enough to just run dist-upgrade after update when changing from etch to lenny? |
| 22:15.03 | Kronuz | (does it stands for anything, it's just a name, "sid"?) |
| 22:15.07 | Thms | Kronuz: sid = still in development |
| 22:15.09 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: some of the new stuff is in experimental |
| 22:15.11 | centrx | Absolute0 yes |
| 22:15.11 | Guerin | Absolute0: see above re: etch->lenny |
| 22:15.12 | Kronuz | oh :) |
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| 22:15.15 | Guerin | centrx: no |
| 22:15.20 | centrx | Absolute0 you might want to do do apt-get update apt dpkg first |
| 22:15.23 | Guerin | Thms: that's a backronym |
| 22:15.25 | petemc | Kronuz: its the bad kid from toy story |
| 22:15.32 | h3sp4wn | Thms: no - its the boy from toy story nothing else |
| 22:15.32 | Thms | yes Guerin |
| 22:15.39 | Thms | yes :p |
| 22:15.42 | centrx | Guerin the dpkg note has nothing else... |
| 22:15.42 | Absolute0 | ok thanks |
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| 22:15.55 | Guerin | centrx: it think you might see an aptitude update in there |
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| 22:16.07 | centrx | that's a prerequisite of dist-upgrade |
| 22:16.17 | centrx | if you don't do update, there can be no dist-upgrade |
| 22:16.24 | Kronuz | petemc: or the name of a rockshock fork ;) |
| 22:16.29 | Guerin | centrx: did he know that? |
| 22:16.47 | centrx | he said "after update" |
| 22:17.06 | Guerin | centrx: bah, right you are |
| 22:17.09 | naught101 | !F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 22:17.12 | Kronuz | so etch, lenny, sid and experimental are all distribution names for repositories? |
| 22:17.16 | Guerin | !beer centrx |
| 22:17.17 | naught101 | is dpkg dead? |
| 22:17.20 | Kronuz | (as well as stable) |
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| 22:17.27 | Guerin | Kronuz: yes, except experimental isn't really |
| 22:17.34 | Hiryu | naught101: I think you can msg dpkg |
| 22:17.45 | naught101 | I did |
| 22:17.56 | naught101 | but it doesn't accept missing pubkeys ;) |
| 22:17.59 | Guerin | naught101: what makes you think he knows anything about that seemingly-random string? |
| 22:18.02 | Hiryu | I just messaged dpkg before you asked and it worked fine |
| 22:18.03 | solar_sea | lenny was started as a copy of etch, right ? |
| 22:18.11 | Guerin | solar_sea: yes. |
| 22:18.14 | yopi | what's etch kernel? 2.6.8-2? |
| 22:18.16 | Hiryu | so is etch really supposed to be userfriendly? |
| 22:18.25 | Guerin | Hiryu: yes. |
| 22:18.26 | yopi | that wouldn't solve this pnpbios crash pb then |
| 22:18.31 | Guerin | yopi: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:18.31 | naught101 | Guerin: it's a pubkey that isn't working on mine and at least one other random person's apt keyring |
| 22:18.37 | Hiryu | Guerin: how's the x configuration? |
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| 22:18.54 | Guerin | Hiryu: i've installed it twice since rc1 and it's been flawless both times |
| 22:18.56 | Kronuz | Guerin: but I can use any of those (stable, sarge, woody, etch, potato, experimental or sid) in my sources.list? |
| 22:18.59 | naught101 | and I thought dpkg might know about it |
| 22:19.15 | Guerin | Kronuz: sure, but there are some caveats. /msg dpkg releases |
| 22:19.24 | Hiryu | Guerin: wonderful, I still use debian on my servers but stopped on the desktop a few years ago because I don't want to be a sys admin at home, thanks for the info! I'mma download now.. |
| 22:19.26 | Kronuz | Guerin: what do you mean experimental isn't a distribution? |
| 22:19.30 | solar_sea | If I want to upgrade to lenny from etch, after changing my sources.list and running apt-get update, what should I do - upgrade or dist-upgrade ? |
| 22:19.33 | Guerin | Kronuz: it's incomplete |
| 22:19.38 | Kronuz | oh |
| 22:19.44 | Guerin | solar_sea: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 22:20.03 | Guerin | naught101: are you using the latest debian-archive-keyring? |
| 22:20.11 | Guerin | naught101: and if not, why not? |
| 22:20.56 | Kronuz | Guerin: is there a way I can see what changes are between any two given releases? |
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| 22:20.56 | Kronuz | (package-wise) |
| 22:20.56 | naught101 | Guerin: yes |
| 22:21.25 | Guerin | Kronuz: probably, but I don't know it. |
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| 22:21.39 | naught101 | Guerin: could I re-install it or something? |
| 22:22.04 | Guerin | naught101: that's a bit drastic |
| 22:22.04 | Kronuz | I think I'm finally starting to understand more things about releases :) |
| 22:22.09 | Guerin | naught101: any joy in /msg dpkg etch key? |
| 22:22.18 | Guerin | or in `2007 key' |
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| 22:22.52 | Kronuz | then I guess unstable and sid are always synonymous, right? |
| 22:22.59 | Guerin | Kronuz: yes. |
| 22:23.06 | Kronuz | :-) |
| 22:23.21 | Hiryu | I remember when they weren't synonmous |
| 22:23.31 | Guerin | is that the sound I he3ar of a penny dropping? |
| 22:23.32 | Hiryu | synonymous |
| 22:23.33 | Hiryu | hehe |
| 22:23.33 | drexxi | bwm-ng thats what i need |
| 22:24.32 | naught101 | Guerin: no, I already did what it said, but it didn't work |
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| 22:24.42 | Guerin | naught101: what branch? |
| 22:24.49 | naught101 | Guerin: 4.0 |
| 22:24.51 | Guerin | naught101: where did you get the offending key? |
| 22:24.58 | misreckoning | I have fglrx drivers working, how to turn Compiz on? |
| 22:25.14 | Guerin | misreckoning: fgi |
| 22:25.20 | naught101 | Guerin: my VPS host installed debian with 3.1 about a week ago |
| 22:25.23 | misreckoning | (you are probably sick of questions like this, sorry) |
| 22:25.37 | misreckoning | Guerin: what is fgi? |
| 22:25.57 | Guerin | naught101: ah. ok. Manually grab the 2007 etch key and add it, then aptitude update |
| 22:26.01 | Guerin | !fgi |
| 22:26.02 | dpkg | i heard fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 22:26.04 | naught101 | dpkg doesn't aswer me |
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| 22:26.18 | misreckoning | Guerin: ohohoo you nasty boy! |
| 22:26.24 | Kronuz | what's the difference between sid and experimental then? |
| 22:26.40 | misreckoning | Guerin: why do I have to google about everything in debian? |
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| 22:27.14 | Kronuz | and what about security repositories? |
| 22:27.17 | misreckoning | Guerin: I like the distro so much but when it comes to such nonsenses like Compiz - you have to google it :P |
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| 22:30.47 | dondelelcaro | s/dl/ld/ |
| 22:31.05 | naught101 | Guerin: got any clues as to how I get the key manually? |
| 22:31.12 | topnotch | i'm wanting to run debian etch as domU, is there a debian http install of etch and if so, does anybody know where it's at>? |
| 22:32.28 | dondelelcaro | topnotch: just get debootstrap and point it at any debian mirror |
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| 22:33.32 | h3sp4wn | topnotch: Or use xen-tools on your host |
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| 22:34.35 | h3sp4wn | topnotch: (probably need debootstrap either way to use it but then it will run the hooks to make debian xen safe) |
| 22:34.44 | Guerin | naught101: it's in the topic |
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| 22:36.33 | naught101 | Guerin: dpkg's instructions don't work |
| 22:36.43 | Guerin | naught101: what about them doesn't work? |
| 22:36.49 | Guerin | and which instructions? |
| 22:37.11 | Guerin | they certainly worked for me, in last week's sarge->etch upgrade |
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| 22:37.41 | naught101 | never mind, this worked: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20061122.134655.30d3f3aa.en.html |
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| 22:39.01 | Guerin | hurrah! |
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| 22:39.40 | naught101 | actually.. |
| 22:40.01 | naught101 | nope |
| 22:40.28 | Guerin | :( |
| 22:41.08 | muti_ | so... kernel 2.6.18-4-686 doesn't include any acpi functionality? |
| 22:41.14 | muti_ | i thought all that was built in.. |
| 22:41.33 | muti_ | does 2.6.20 include it? |
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| 22:42.37 | Guerin | 2.6.18 most assuredly does |
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| 22:45.46 | muti_ | Guerin, reason that everything is telling me the kernel doesnt support it |
| 22:45.47 | muti_ | ? |
| 22:45.52 | muti_ | not sure why |
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| 22:46.09 | Guerin | muti_: you have it turned off? Your hardware doesn't support it? Your madger ate your homework? |
| 22:46.18 | agent | Does anyone know what manufacturers make ultra-portable (12-13" screen) laptops with trackpoints besides IBM/Lenovo? |
| 22:46.23 | muti_ | try running like wmbattery |
| 22:46.26 | muti_ | Error: No APM, ACPI, or SPIC support in kernel. |
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| 22:46.34 | Guerin | muti_: modprobe battery |
| 22:46.51 | muti_ | ;) |
| 22:46.54 | Absolute0 | since gdm doesnt use ~/.xinitrc where can i set up whats starts up at the start of X? |
| 22:47.02 | rahul | Absolute0: man xsession |
| 22:47.02 | muti_ | heh thx |
| 22:47.08 | cafuego | agent: toshiba has traditionally sued tarckpoints, but I don't know their model range |
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| 22:48.22 | cusco | muti_: do you have a /proc/acpi/ ? |
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| 22:48.54 | agent | cafuego: Thank you for that. I will look into Toshiba. Hopefully I can get info on what ODM they use. |
| 22:48.54 | cusco | Absolute0: do you use gnome? |
| 22:49.01 | cob | etch netinst mirrors not working? |
| 22:49.05 | Absolute0 | nope |
| 22:49.07 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 22:49.09 | cusco | you can use the gnome session to add stuff when gnome starts |
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| 22:49.12 | cob | what's the deal |
| 22:49.17 | cusco | hm |
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| 22:49.58 | chronographer | hello Every time i start debian i have to change the default gateway from eth1 to rausb0 in order to use the internet, what do I change to make it stay on rausb0 ?? |
| 22:50.18 | cusco | Absolute0: try ~/.xsession |
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| 22:50.25 | Absolute0 | ok |
| 22:50.28 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 22:50.30 | mustmr | will debian with gnome be slow on a 850mhz 256mb ram pc? |
| 22:50.39 | naught101 | Guerin: this is EXACTLY the problem I'm having... but I can't find an answer: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070325.045329.203397b1.en.html |
| 22:50.51 | chronographer | I do it using the administration - networking. |
| 22:51.04 | Absolute0 | is there a version of ~/.xsession that runs for all users? |
| 22:51.30 | cusco | mustmr: itmight defently not too much ram, depends what do you call gnome.. might be ok if you're using gnome-core and not too manny apps at the same time, btu then again you might want to look at something like xfce |
| 22:51.58 | Absolute0 | or fluxbox :) |
| 22:52.05 | mokchin | some people name their functions really nice. |
| 22:52.19 | chronographer | xfce is much easier to get into than fluxbox =) |
| 22:52.19 | mokchin | :) |
| 22:52.19 | Absolute0 | yep it is |
| 22:52.23 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/blah1.txt - can someone help me get X working? |
| 22:52.25 | Absolute0 | but fluxbox is light as hell |
| 22:52.27 | chronographer | too much setting up to do |
| 22:52.34 | mustmr | i'm setting a pc for a point and click user |
| 22:52.43 | Absolute0 | well you can just run mmaker and not to any setup at all |
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| 22:52.46 | mustmr | so, the DE has to be easy to use |
| 22:52.48 | chronographer | get debian - xfce |
| 22:53.01 | cusco | Absolute0: not sure try looking at http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 22:53.03 | Absolute0 | kde would be the one for windows users |
| 22:53.12 | chronographer | yes true, but you nee dmore ram |
| 22:53.26 | Absolute0 | and gnome for mac users |
| 22:53.27 | Absolute0 | :-p |
| 22:53.33 | Absolute0 | and everything else for linux users |
| 22:53.33 | mustmr | why? i can set gnome just like windows |
| 22:53.34 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 22:53.40 | mustmr | and kde just like mac |
| 22:53.47 | chronographer | Is there a way to set my default gateway device in /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 22:53.54 | Absolute0 | you can but they both copy the other |
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| 22:54.07 | Absolute0 | gnome based on gnome and kde on windows |
| 22:54.13 | Absolute0 | *gnome based on mac |
| 22:54.27 | cusco | Absolute0: its sugested there that you might add it to /etc/skel/ |
| 22:54.33 | mustmr | i think gnome is gnome and kde is kde |
| 22:54.45 | mustmr | they are very different to mac and windows, respectively |
| 22:54.50 | Absolute0 | and sex is sex |
| 22:54.52 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 22:54.58 | cusco | mustmr: I like that lineof thinking |
| 22:55.03 | Absolute0 | kde is very heavily based on windows |
| 22:55.06 | cusco | hehe |
| 22:55.10 | Absolute0 | the start menu and all that |
| 22:55.17 | Absolute0 | clock task list.. |
| 22:55.18 | Absolute0 | etc |
| 22:55.29 | Absolute0 | in fact you can make kde look just like windows! |
| 22:55.40 | mustmr | so you can with gnome |
| 22:56.05 | Absolute0 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1499 |
| 22:56.07 | Absolute0 | not really |
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| 22:56.11 | Absolute0 | not exactly |
| 22:56.20 | Absolute0 | similar yes... |
| 22:56.28 | Absolute0 | whatever this is a stupid argument.. |
| 22:56.34 | mustmr | lol |
| 22:56.38 | mustmr | yes it is |
| 22:56.42 | mustmr | but i can make it look exactly like windows =P |
| 22:56.43 | Absolute0 | i am glad you agree |
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| 22:56.52 | Absolute0 | let me see a screenshot! |
| 22:56.52 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 22:57.22 | mustmr | don't have it |
| 22:57.26 | mustmr | i think windows is ugly =P |
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| 22:57.33 | Absolute0 | it is! |
| 22:57.52 | cusco | its gnome with emerald instead of metacity Absolute0 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/True+Vista+Experience?content=51976 |
| 22:57.53 | Absolute0 | fluxbox is pretty cool |
| 22:58.04 | Absolute0 | but its not really a dm but a wm |
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| 22:58.43 | Absolute0 | thats gnome?! |
| 22:58.47 | Absolute0 | thats very sexy |
| 22:58.56 | Absolute0 | is emeral a WM? |
| 22:59.12 | mustmr | yes |
| 22:59.20 | mustmr | you use it with beryl |
| 22:59.22 | Absolute0 | i should try emeral |
| 22:59.27 | mustmr | to get these composite effects |
| 22:59.27 | Absolute0 | ye i am aware of that |
| 22:59.36 | Absolute0 | but didnt know its a wm |
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| 22:59.46 | mustmr | but it is very VGA intensive |
| 22:59.50 | Absolute0 | does debian have a nice stable version of beryl? |
| 23:00.03 | Absolute0 | because the archlinux one sucked |
| 23:00.12 | mustmr | lol |
| 23:00.14 | chronographer | its pretty stable |
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| 23:00.17 | cusco | Absolute0: check beryl wiki that depends on the driver of your graphics card |
| 23:00.21 | chronographer | but a bit slow sometimes... |
| 23:00.21 | mustmr | i'm using arch right now and beryl is stable as hell |
| 23:00.32 | stew | Absolute0: debian doesn't have a beryl package |
| 23:00.36 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 23:00.41 | chronographer | I also can't get my tv-out to work when im using beryl |
| 23:00.42 | Absolute0 | well yeah beryl is new... |
| 23:00.42 | stew | (yet) |
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| 23:01.00 | Absolute0 | i can probably make a pkg |
| 23:01.04 | cusco | Absolute0: there are compiled packages |
| 23:01.04 | Absolute0 | with alien... |
| 23:01.09 | chronographer | deb http://debian.beryl-project.org etch main |
| 23:01.09 | Absolute0 | yup |
| 23:01.09 | chronographer | deb-src http://debian.beryl-project.org etch main |
| 23:01.11 | cusco | noo noneed for alien |
| 23:01.23 | cusco | check the wiki of teh eryl project if you're intreted |
| 23:01.42 | Absolute0 | at the moment i just need to setup my nvidia card... |
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| 23:01.47 | chronographer | its all there i think.. you need to make sure nvidia is all going first |
| 23:02.03 | Absolute0 | it secified in xorg.conf but its not using it properly apparently |
| 23:02.12 | Absolute0 | *I |
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| 23:02.19 | Absolute0 | no it |
| 23:02.19 | Absolute0 | lol |
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| 23:02.26 | Absolute0 | the setup did it.. |
| 23:02.37 | cusco | what are you on about? |
| 23:03.00 | Absolute0 | the "desktop" packages |
| 23:03.02 | concept10 | Are pretty much all of the distros using x.org these days? |
| 23:03.19 | gravity | concept10: Yep |
| 23:03.19 | Absolute0 | it configured xorg.conf to say nvidia... by the driver name section |
| 23:03.27 | gravity | Even slack got on board with their last release |
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| 23:03.31 | Absolute0 | but when i run neverball its slow and barely works |
| 23:03.41 | Absolute0 | so i need an nvidia pkg installed... |
| 23:03.59 | cusco | g night all |
| 23:04.05 | Absolute0 | by cusco |
| 23:04.19 | Absolute0 | what else is there to use? |
| 23:04.25 | Absolute0 | xorg is the new X |
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| 23:05.28 | concept10 | Now I begin the ardous Saturday task of understanding x.org from the bottom up |
| 23:05.54 | chronographer | no shit! that sounds intense |
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| 23:06.21 | chronographer | do you know if I vcan add a line so my seconhd screen (a tv ) works with debian? |
| 23:06.24 | Absolute0 | i have to write an X gui game for my class... |
| 23:06.38 | Absolute0 | either tk or gtk... |
| 23:06.38 | chronographer | what are you studying? |
| 23:06.39 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 23:06.44 | Absolute0 | workstation programming |
| 23:06.59 | Absolute0 | or plain old X api |
| 23:07.00 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 23:07.04 | Absolute0 | but thats hell |
| 23:07.06 | chronographer | =-) |
| 23:07.12 | h3sp4wn | concept10: I think netbsd still uses xfree86 |
| 23:07.23 | chronographer | I did java last year! never been much of a programmer |
| 23:07.31 | Absolute0 | well can't use xfree86 with debian? |
| 23:07.41 | Absolute0 | *can't you |
| 23:07.50 | Absolute0 | i am sure its in the repo's |
| 23:07.55 | h3sp4wn | for sarge |
| 23:08.34 | Absolute0 | 700 people in here, anyone got a girlfriend? |
| 23:08.34 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 23:08.41 | Absolute0 | just out of curiousity |
| 23:08.48 | Absolute0 | nice place to take a survey like that |
| 23:08.56 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:09.01 | concept10 | I only see documention for x.org 7.0.. I know the 7.2 release is modularized, has it changed much |
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| 23:09.13 | mfrisch | girls are rare in here. |
| 23:09.18 | Absolute0 | exactly |
| 23:09.21 | abrotman | concept10: 7.1 is modularized |
| 23:09.24 | stew | concept10: 7.1 is modularized |
| 23:09.26 | Absolute0 | my college claims that cs guys have lives |
| 23:09.27 | dalias | absolute0, yes. she deflates for easy storage. |
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| 23:09.28 | stew | nopony |
| 23:09.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:09.36 | gravity | concept10: 7.2 versus 7.0? Yeah, it has a bit. Things like AIGLX landed in 7.1. 7.2 was mainly a bugfix release. |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | Absolute0: you can stop now :) |
| 23:09.42 | Absolute0 | we dont have lives |
| 23:09.45 | Absolute0 | ok |
| 23:09.48 | Absolute0 | i'll stop |
| 23:09.52 | Absolute0 | stop what? |
| 23:09.57 | Absolute0 | i dont mind it |
| 23:10.01 | Absolute0 | i am just curious |
| 23:10.03 | concept10 | Absolute0: first off, all 700+ are not active in the channel. Secondly, who needs a girlfriend when whores are available on the weekends? |
| 23:10.05 | stew | abrotman: did you have a touchy feely day? |
| 23:10.05 | abrotman | is it a retardbot ? |
| 23:10.11 | concept10 | heh |
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| 23:10.15 | abrotman | stew: no .. never made it .. did the mall instead :( |
| 23:10.18 | Absolute0 | whores suck |
| 23:10.26 | Absolute0 | not real.. |
| 23:10.28 | concept10 | Absolute0: yes, they do |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | Absolute0: shut up already |
| 23:10.34 | Kevin` | can someone help me get X working please? |
| 23:10.35 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 23:10.36 | Absolute0 | ok ok |
| 23:10.38 | mfrisch | Absolute0: if you are lucky yes |
| 23:10.45 | amphi | Kevin`: what card? |
| 23:10.49 | Kevin` | moment |
| 23:10.56 | stew | Kevin`: what is the problem? are you getting an error? |
| 23:11.06 | Kevin` | lisa:~# lspci |
| 23:11.06 | Kevin` | dos000:00.0 Host bridge: Toshiba America Info Systems CPU to PCI bridge (rev 12) |
| 23:11.06 | Kevin` | dos000:04.0 VGA compatible controller: Chips and Technologies F65550 (rev 45) |
| 23:11.14 | Absolute0 | will i see any visual change in lenny from etch? |
| 23:11.15 | abrotman | ewww |
| 23:11.19 | Absolute0 | or all the same? |
| 23:11.21 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/blah1.txt - error |
| 23:11.24 | abrotman | !tell Absolute0 about enter |
| 23:11.31 | Kevin` | stupid nick completion |
| 23:11.42 | amphi | Kevin`: you use the 'chips' xorg driver? |
| 23:11.51 | hcarty | I'm having trouble with suspend-to-ram on my laptop - using s2ram directly works wonderfully, but using the gnome-applet doesn't work - it freezes w/ CPU @ 100% on resume |
| 23:11.59 | Absolute0 | abrotman, thanks ;) |
| 23:12.02 | snowbird | does any one use wireless n? |
| 23:12.04 | Kevin` | i'm using the default etch X config |
| 23:12.05 | hcarty | Anyone have this problem, or know a way to test for what is causing it? |
| 23:12.11 | Kevin` | i'm an X noob |
| 23:12.15 | amphi | Kevin`: you're using the vesa driver? |
| 23:12.21 | Kevin` | probably |
| 23:12.23 | Kevin` | moment |
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| 23:12.31 | amphi | Kevin`: try using the 'chips' driver |
| 23:12.35 | concept10 | Gosh, there is nothing worse than someone trying to help you with your problem when they know _nothing_ |
| 23:12.37 | amphi | !drxx Kevin` |
| 23:12.37 | dpkg | Kevin`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:12.41 | Absolute0 | !tell Kevin` about enter |
| 23:12.43 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 23:12.46 | abrotman | concept10: when the helper knows less ? |
| 23:12.52 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/xorg.conf |
| 23:13.08 | abrotman | yes .. vesa |
| 23:13.39 | amphi | Kevin`: yeah, vesa - try the card-specific driver with drxx |
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| 23:13.59 | amphi | Kevin`: man chips has info on the driver |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | can vesa do 24bit ? |
| 23:14.01 | Kevin` | card specific driver is "chips"? |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:14.17 | concept10 | abrotman: Exactly. I asked some guys in #ubuntu about my X problem (leading me to install debian for desktop) and all they can ask is whats in the logs? |
| 23:14.19 | mfrisch | abrotman: think I am. 24 bit |
| 23:14.38 | abrotman | concept10: what's wrong with that ? |
| 23:14.47 | Absolute0 | Oh i installed clearlooks engine, but it's not appearing in the gtk-theme-switch menu... |
| 23:14.55 | Absolute0 | How can I fix that? |
| 23:15.09 | Kevin` | brb |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | i doubt it's gtk1 |
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| 23:15.39 | concept10 | abrotman: First off, which log. Second, I post the log and they cant interpret the log as well as anyone else, including myself. |
| 23:15.56 | Absolute0 | oh i need gtk-theme-switch2? |
| 23:15.57 | abrotman | concept10: this is for ubuntu? |
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| 23:15.58 | n-iCe | Hi hi |
| 23:16.12 | Absolute0 | maybe that will be in lenny... |
| 23:16.13 | n-iCe | i got this error, you can not create executables, how can i solve it ? |
| 23:16.27 | \amethyst | n-iCe: where did you get this error? |
| 23:16.27 | amphi | n-iCe: install build-essential, perhaps |
| 23:16.30 | stew | n-iCe: aptitude install build-essential |
| 23:16.35 | concept10 | abrotman: this _was_ for ubuntu, just and example. |
| 23:16.44 | n-iCe | ok |
| 23:16.45 | abrotman | concept10: oh .. you don't have hte problem anymore ? |
| 23:16.46 | n-iCe | let me try |
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| 23:17.07 | hiitsme | hi |
| 23:17.17 | hiitsme | is lenny stable enough to use? |
| 23:17.23 | mfrisch | abrotman: I think ubuntu's channel has a factoid saying if we can't fix it goto #debian. ;-) |
| 23:17.36 | stew | hiitsme: it changes daily |
| 23:17.45 | abrotman | hiitsme: define 'use' :) |
| 23:17.46 | \amethyst | Lenny will be broken at various intervals over the next year or so |
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| 23:17.59 | hiitsme | abrotman, nothing important, i could reinstall every week ;) |
| 23:18.03 | Mika_Rybanenn | Hi all |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | hiitsme: doesn't matter .. it might not install that week :) |
| 23:18.32 | concept10 | abrotman: no, because I just did a fresh install of etch for the desktop, but I want to build up from minimal install so I trying to understand how X works from the bottom up. |
| 23:18.33 | Absolute0 | so install every 2 weeks :-p |
| 23:18.48 | Absolute0 | or dont install until it becomes stable |
| 23:18.49 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 23:18.53 | hiitsme | ^^ |
| 23:18.57 | Absolute0 | just switch to lenny and dont touch |
| 23:19.02 | abrotman | hiitsme: if you need stable .. don't use it |
| 23:19.04 | n-iCe | stew amphi worked thank you :) |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | Absolute0: that's just stupid |
| 23:19.14 | Absolute0 | why? |
| 23:19.25 | abrotman | why would you install lenny and then never update your packages ? |
| 23:19.31 | hiitsme | i just need it as stable as ubuntu alpha 4 or 5 is |
| 23:19.34 | mfrisch | Absolute0: don't ask.... please |
| 23:19.37 | Absolute0 | why update if everything works perfectly? |
| 23:19.45 | abrotman | idiot |
| 23:19.45 | gravity | concept10: The install isn't the best way to do that |
| 23:19.46 | hiitsme | if you can call that stable |
| 23:19.47 | \amethyst | Absolute0: Why use lenny instead of etch then? |
| 23:19.57 | Absolute0 | not everything is in etch |
| 23:20.00 | abrotman | hiitsme: sometimes things break .. and they can break for awhile |
| 23:20.01 | gravity | concept10: If you want to learn how X works, just go and read the scripts that start it. Then read the docs for the apps it opens. |
| 23:20.04 | \amethyst | Absolute0: And what about security fixes? |
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| 23:20.12 | abrotman | Absolute0: you should probably just be quiet :) |
| 23:20.15 | hiitsme | thats no problem, abrotman |
| 23:20.19 | dudeman | be quiet |
| 23:20.25 | dudeman | :D |
| 23:20.33 | concept10 | gravity: Thats exactly what i'm doing. starting with xinit |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | hiitsme: as long as you can fix most breakage yourself |
| 23:20.47 | gravity | concept10: If you have any questions, feel free to ask |
| 23:21.05 | gravity | concept10: I don't have it all memorized, but I've got a good handle on most of it these days |
| 23:21.21 | dudeman | abrotman let me guess, talking about sid? |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | no .. |
| 23:21.32 | dudeman | ahh |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | lenny :) |
| 23:21.40 | dudeman | yeh |
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| 23:21.54 | dudeman | they killed him in the rainforest shmainforest episode |
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| 23:21.59 | SJrX | What is a nice and sexy bittorrent client for the console? |
| 23:22.03 | dudeman | rtorrent |
| 23:22.06 | Absolute0 | sexy? |
| 23:22.07 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 23:22.08 | mfrisch | abrotman: he wants to mess up his box let him...just tell him he has to fix it ;-) |
| 23:22.17 | abrotman | mfrisch: no .. he's going to mess up someone else's |
| 23:22.25 | mfrisch | abrotman: oh my NO |
| 23:22.27 | Absolute0 | SJrX, azureus is said to be the best |
| 23:22.28 | SJrX | killed who in the rainforest shmainforest? |
| 23:22.30 | Absolute0 | but its slow |
| 23:22.32 | dudeman | az is console? |
| 23:22.33 | SJrX | Absolute0 yeah but that's not console |
| 23:22.38 | abrotman | Absolute0: it's not a console client ... |
| 23:22.42 | Absolute0 | oh sorry |
| 23:22.43 | dudeman | its java crapola |
| 23:22.43 | abrotman | SJrX: rtorrent |
| 23:22.46 | concept10 | gravity: well tell me this. After all of the init scripts are done booting, and you startx, X is usually a processes owned by root? |
| 23:22.51 | dudeman | rtorrent/crottent(defunt) |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | can't we just get rid of him ? |
| 23:22.54 | Absolute0 | i think bittorrent comes with a console version |
| 23:23.00 | gravity | concept10: Yes |
| 23:23.01 | Absolute0 | i'll do taht myself |
| 23:23.05 | Absolute0 | sorry |
| 23:23.06 | lilbluemarbl | yup bittorrent has a consolse verion |
| 23:23.07 | gravity | concept10: The X server has to be suid root |
| 23:23.21 | SJrX | hmm |
| 23:23.25 | abrotman | it's quiet .... :) |
| 23:23.26 | SJrX | so bittorent or rtorrent? |
| 23:23.26 | dudeman | abrotman you get it? |
| 23:23.31 | lilbluemarbl | anyone using enlightnment..? (window manager) |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | get what ? |
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| 23:23.37 | concept10 | gravity: and then regular users just login but X is still owned by root, right? |
| 23:23.38 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: rtorrent. |
| 23:23.44 | gravity | concept10: Right |
| 23:23.44 | abrotman | lilbluemarbl: which version? |
| 23:23.45 | \amethyst | SJrX: bittornado or rtorrent |
| 23:23.54 | dudeman | some chic called Kenny Lenny in that southpark episode. I'm not talking about debian.. hehe |
| 23:23.55 | lilbluemarbl | am looking for e17.. |
| 23:23.59 | lilbluemarbl | is that vapour? |
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| 23:24.03 | dudeman | abrotman ^^ |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | i saw .. don't watch it much |
| 23:24.12 | SJrX | hmmm |
| 23:24.18 | concept10 | gravity: Okay, thanks. |
| 23:24.21 | SJrX | oh bittornado was good |
| 23:24.24 | Guerin | lilbluemarbl: it exists |
| 23:24.25 | SJrX | but I didn't think that was console |
| 23:24.32 | Guerin | SJrX: definitely |
| 23:24.33 | dudeman | rtorrent is packed full of good stuff, and easy to use too |
| 23:24.37 | abrotman | SJrX: there is a console portion of it |
| 23:24.38 | dudeman | well, if you read the manpage |
| 23:24.38 | lilbluemarbl | am on 16.7 |
| 23:24.39 | mfrisch | e17 enum? |
| 23:24.41 | Guerin | rtorrent > * |
| 23:24.45 | lilbluemarbl | was looking for engage.. looks nice.. |
| 23:24.48 | abrotman | !e17 |
| 23:24.48 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 23:24.53 | lilbluemarbl | but dunno where to get it |
| 23:24.53 | Guerin | except it uncovers a kernel bug in 2.6.18 |
| 23:25.05 | SJrX | oh wait my next question a long time ago I played with pure-ftpd-common and stuff and completetly broke the package management but I have it working how I want |
| 23:25.06 | stoned | Guerin heh I have still not unpacked my computers man |
| 23:25.07 | lilbluemarbl | DR!& it is :) |
| 23:25.09 | lilbluemarbl | *17 |
| 23:25.11 | abrotman | !tell lilbluemarbl about dr17 |
| 23:25.11 | stoned | no linux for one month |
| 23:25.13 | SJrX | How can I trick apt into thinking the package is uninstalled |
| 23:25.16 | stoned | im dyin here |
| 23:25.20 | mfrisch | stoned: !!! your alive!!! |
| 23:25.23 | Guerin | stoned: ZOMGurbaklol |
| 23:25.25 | abrotman | SJrX: uninstalled or installed ? |
| 23:25.27 | stoned | yessir boss I am here |
| 23:25.28 | stoned | :) |
| 23:25.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell SJrX -about bat |
| 23:25.31 | SJrX | uninstalled |
| 23:25.31 | stew | SJrX: why not just uninstall it? |
| 23:25.42 | lilbluemarbl | heh .. had looked at both links before |
| 23:25.44 | SJrX | because it's setup properly but apt complains everytime I do something with it |
| 23:25.45 | lilbluemarbl | seems dead |
| 23:25.51 | Guerin | any of you op-types feel like adding an etch->lenny frob to /topic |
| 23:25.52 | Guerin | ? |
| 23:26.02 | \amethyst | SJrX: complains about what? |
| 23:26.03 | stoned | stew, could you pm me with the address for tomorrow morning's meeting please? |
| 23:26.05 | mfrisch | stoned: did you go to pakistan? |
| 23:26.08 | stew | SJrX: read what dpkg just told you |
| 23:26.14 | stew | morning? |
| 23:26.14 | SJrX | I did |
| 23:26.18 | SJrX | hmmm how do I exit rtorrent? |
| 23:26.21 | Guerin | seems like the flashing neon lights in the release notes aren't clear enough |
| 23:26.25 | stoned | stew so that I may look up bus/train schedules |
| 23:26.28 | Guerin | stoned: ^q |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | lilbluemarbl: if you really want it .. ask #elive .. it's not debian but it works |
| 23:26.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:26.33 | stoned | stew whenever toorrow |
| 23:26.34 | Guerin | SJrX: ^q |
| 23:26.35 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> ETCH IS RELEASED! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 23:26.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:26.45 | Guerin | !wine dondelelcaro |
| 23:26.50 | abrotman | shold that be /msg dpkg sarge->etch ? |
| 23:26.55 | Guerin | tedious water |
| 23:26.55 | lilbluemarbl | k.. thx abrotman |
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| 23:27.07 | Guerin | abrotman: most of the questions are e- |
| 23:27.09 | Guerin | >l |
| 23:27.24 | stoned | guein, ctrl + q? |
| 23:27.24 | gravity | topicdiff? |
| 23:27.28 | stoned | me confuzzle |
| 23:27.31 | stew | stoned: http://www.voldenuitbar.com/dir.html |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | gravity: at least added /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 23:27.45 | stoned | thanks |
| 23:27.48 | Guerin | stoned: a pox on ye s-nicks |
| 23:27.49 | gravity | aha |
| 23:27.56 | stoned | word |
| 23:28.07 | stoned | stew you know what train comes by there? |
| 23:28.17 | concept10 | gravity: are you on a graphical desktop? |
| 23:28.17 | stoned | by any chance? |
| 23:28.23 | gravity | concept10: Yes |
| 23:28.36 | abrotman | stoned: the map tells you AFAICT |
| 23:28.42 | stoned | ahh train is subway |
| 23:28.43 | stoned | doh |
| 23:28.44 | stew | stoned: 1239acefvbdq |
| 23:28.52 | stoned | brain fart |
| 23:29.05 | stew | stoned: hopstop.com |
| 23:29.09 | stoned | ok |
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| 23:29.13 | MrWGW | good afternoon |
| 23:29.19 | concept10 | gravity: which one? what display manager and login manager are you using? |
| 23:29.40 | stoned | stew, what time tomorrow? |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | stew: nice score! |
| 23:29.47 | MrWGW | There used to be a sheep at Disneyland, at a petting zoo called the Big Thunder Ranch, named Lenny, btw |
| 23:29.51 | stew | abrotman: did you watch? we did |
| 23:29.51 | abrotman | stoned: there's a wiki page entry with details |
| 23:29.51 | SJrX | Hmmmm the paste server is down |
| 23:29.55 | MrWGW | its hide felt rather like a carpat |
| 23:29.57 | abrotman | stew: i was in the damn mall! |
| 23:29.58 | MrWGW | *carpet |
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| 23:30.01 | stoned | abrotman linky? |
| 23:30.01 | stew | stoned: 7pm |
| 23:30.08 | MrWGW | very nice sheep |
| 23:30.13 | MrWGW | so that's a great name for the new Testing distro |
| 23:30.14 | MrWGW | :-P |
| 23:30.14 | gravity | concept10: Gnome and gdm |
| 23:30.27 | \amethyst | SJrX: you can use http://pastey.net/ |
| 23:30.27 | stoned | ooh 7pm eek |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | stoned: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyEtch |
| 23:30.45 | MrWGW | anyway, I was wondering, is there a mailing list or channel or other facility for Debian artwork? |
| 23:30.48 | stew | i need to print some gpg fingerprints |
| 23:30.50 | MrWGW | I'm interested in contributing to Lenny |
| 23:30.52 | Guerin | abrotman: the maul? |
| 23:30.52 | stoned | abrotman you gonna drive or fly? |
| 23:30.57 | abrotman | fly? |
| 23:30.58 | mfrisch | MrWGW: I think they name the animals daily. |
| 23:31.01 | stoned | plane? |
| 23:31.02 | Guerin | MrWGW: awesome. What are you good at? |
| 23:31.05 | stoned | you comin? |
| 23:31.08 | abrotman | Guerin: KoP mall ... it's freaking huge .. two buildings |
| 23:31.17 | abrotman | see how i feel tomorrow .. i haven't been sleeping much |
| 23:31.17 | Guerin | abrotman: i remember you talking about it |
| 23:31.21 | MrWGW | well my real job is as a branding consultant |
| 23:31.22 | concept10 | gravity: do you know what script and/or config file tells your system to start GDM at the end? |
| 23:31.27 | Guerin | do they rent out golf carts for fat people to get around? |
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| 23:31.33 | abrotman | rascals .. yes |
| 23:31.34 | gravity | concept10: It's in /etc/init.d |
| 23:31.35 | stoned | lol |
| 23:31.40 | MrWGW | however, in terms of FOSS artwork I've contributed to PC BSD, primarily overall color theme/art direction+icons and other elements |
| 23:31.44 | SJrX | Here we go: http://pastey.net/12432 |
| 23:31.47 | abrotman | Guerin: http://kingofprussiamall.com/ |
| 23:31.51 | MrWGW | for me, the most interesting aspect of any desktop is the windeco |
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| 23:32.12 | SJrX | Anyway so the long short of it is that anytime I try to install or do anything it eventually aborts because I broke pure-ftpd. I would just like it to think it's not installed without actually uninstalling. |
| 23:32.14 | Guerin | MrWGW: i think the new dpl wants an overhaul of www.debian.org; that might be something to look at |
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| 23:32.31 | MrWGW | well I could do artwork for that, I don't claim to be a web dev however |
| 23:32.33 | stew | MrWGW: search for artwork on wiki.debian.org |
| 23:32.34 | abrotman | Guerin: though the real bit is to see it on a map or satellite image |
| 23:32.36 | MrWGW | ok |
| 23:32.40 | dalias | pure-ftpd is a bad idea anyway, always full of vulns.. |
| 23:32.42 | dalias | use vsftpd |
| 23:32.52 | stoned | so do I need to bring anything with me? |
| 23:33.07 | SJrX | that's fine it's only used on the intranet |
| 23:33.10 | stew | stoned: gpg fingerprints and a govt. issued photo id |
| 23:33.16 | SJrX | actually |
| 23:33.16 | Guerin | MrWGW: probably the best idea is to familiarise yourself with the project, hang out in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and read debain-devel and associated mailing lists |
| 23:33.16 | mfrisch | Are you all going to NYC>? |
| 23:33.18 | SJrX | you know what |
| 23:33.23 | SJrX | I can purge them |
| 23:33.36 | stoned | stew, got the latter covered.. well there is a slight problem |
| 23:33.46 | stoned | stew, mind if I msg you real quick |
| 23:33.47 | MrWGW | good idea |
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| 23:34.15 | gravity | concept10: I'm heading off. You can learn a lot by poking around. If you keep having trouble you may want to drop in to #debian-x on oftc. |
| 23:34.21 | abrotman | stoned: you only need those if you want a key signed |
| 23:34.29 | gravity | concept10: Or #xorg on freenode for non-debian X questions |
| 23:34.36 | concept10 | gravity: no probs |
| 23:34.42 | concept10 | gravity: and thanks |
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| 23:36.24 | Guerin | abrotman: that's so wronbg |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | Guerin: what is ? |
| 23:36.41 | Guerin | abrotman: KoP |
| 23:36.52 | pythonic | can i do something like: sort {find /foo} {grep /foo /bar} |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | Guerin: did you find the satellite image ? |
| 23:37.12 | Guerin | abrotman: i found it on google maps |
| 23:37.16 | abrotman | Guerin: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=19406&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=16&ll=40.087889,-75.390351&spn=0.006386,0.014849&t=h&om=1 |
| 23:37.20 | Guerin | yeh |
| 23:37.23 | Guerin | insanitude |
| 23:37.31 | abrotman | Guerin: guess it's about 2000-2500 feet long |
| 23:38.02 | Zta | When I start /etc/init.d/bluez start, I get this error in the /var/log/syslog.log: Apr 15 01:26:10 tetris hcid[14741]: Can't open system message bus connection: No reply within specified time Any suggestions to why? |
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| 23:38.11 | abrotman | Guerin: that's actually two buildings :) |
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| 23:38.38 | \amethyst | Hmm... In a default install of iceweasel, is the SPI cert not supposed to be in authorities list? |
| 23:39.36 | Zta | I haven't sued bluetooth for quite a while, and it seems I've broken it meanwhile. |
| 23:40.42 | Zta | Maybe I should just reinstall. My dist is rather wasted after years of dist upgrading back and forth and experimenting in general. |
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| 23:41.28 | nici | Hi to see my wireless driver? if is running right now |
| 23:41.38 | Guerin | nici: iwconfig |
| 23:41.52 | nici | no no , there isn't going to shoe me the module or yes? |
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| 23:42.04 | Guerin | nici: that will show you if it's running or not |
| 23:42.27 | nici | i know |
| 23:42.29 | nici | i wanna know the module |
| 23:42.36 | Guerin | nici: google the model name |
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| 23:43.27 | Zta | nici, lsmod to list currently loaded modules |
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| 23:43.43 | nici | that's Zta thank you |
| 23:43.47 | nici | Guerin thank you too :) |
| 23:43.58 | js_ | which filesystem is the most resize-friendly? |
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| 23:45.12 | abrotman | probably ext3 .. i think xfs and reiser can only grow |
| 23:45.19 | abrotman | i think ext3 can shrink |
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| 23:45.53 | cafuego | it can, as can hfs |
| 23:45.57 | stoned | ehehe, ntfs, ehehe |
| 23:46.00 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 23:46.14 | nici | how can i join to a ssh shell ? |
| 23:46.21 | nici | ssh ip:port |
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| 23:46.22 | nici | or how ? |
| 23:46.34 | cafuego | nici: ssh -p port ip |
| 23:46.44 | stoned | ssh user@ip/host |
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| 23:46.49 | DawnLight | i'm switching isp... |
| 23:47.01 | stoned | many ways.. aptitude install ssh if you don't have it already first |
| 23:47.12 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to restart the klamav wizard? |
| 23:47.22 | Zta | aptitude is prefered over apt-get ? |
| 23:47.25 | stoned | yes |
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| 23:47.33 | stoned | it as much better dependency resolutions |
| 23:47.36 | stoned | !aptitude |
| 23:47.36 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale) |
| 23:47.49 | nici | uhm |
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| 23:47.57 | nici | which one ssh -p port ip or ssh user@ip/host |
| 23:48.03 | stoned | either one nici |
| 23:48.16 | cafuego | nici: ssh user@host or ssh -p port host or ssh -p port user@ip |
| 23:48.20 | cafuego | they're all the same |
| 23:48.55 | nici | thank you |
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| 23:55.57 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to restart the klamav wizard? |
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| 23:57.09 | cafuego | clamav? |
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| 23:57.28 | cafuego | usually 'dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>' |
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| 23:59.34 | stoned | its dead on saturday night |
| 23:59.42 | stoned | wait today IS sat. right? |
| 23:59.45 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/wtf.jpg - any ideas on this? |
