| 00:00.10 | flaccid | streuner: 2.4.27. do you need the whole thing. this is fresh latest debian install |
| 00:00.13 | cob | hatter: If you're not physically there, I don't think you have much choice if the partition is your boot partition and there are no others available and it's mounted as RO |
| 00:00.16 | karsten | cob: You can fsck any given umounted filesystem. Running fsck on a mounted filesystem may lead to undesireable consequences. |
| 00:00.21 | karsten | cob: I've hosed / doing that. |
| 00:00.25 | cob | karsten: I'm aware of that.. |
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| 00:00.43 | hatter | NOOOO to hosing / |
| 00:00.45 | hatter | :) |
| 00:00.46 | karsten | cob: Didn't realize the story got around *that* much ;-) |
| 00:00.46 | cob | karsten: which is why I fsck my partitions with liveCDs with physical console access |
| 00:01.00 | karsten | cob: Ah. Practicing safe fsck. |
| 00:01.05 | hatter | lol |
| 00:01.06 | streuner | flaccid: what does dmesg say about, did the kernel regonizes the printer at all? |
| 00:01.12 | cafuego_ | Anyone running etch able to tell me whether zlib is a required package? |
| 00:01.13 | karsten | !love |
| 00:01.13 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 00:01.15 | karsten | !sex |
| 00:01.16 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 00:01.19 | hatter | but doesnt help a server 350 k's away.... |
| 00:01.21 | hatter | damn |
| 00:01.22 | flaccid | streuner: nope. it doesn't come up at all, but comes up on windows fine |
| 00:01.44 | hatter | hahahaha |
| 00:01.44 | streuner | flaccid: what happens if you unplug the USB Device and plug it in again, look at /var/log/messages |
| 00:01.45 | flaccid | while i am here. which part of the documentation should i read regarding change of hostname? |
| 00:01.47 | cob | hatter: sounds like you get to play Indian tech support tonight, assume a proper accent |
| 00:01.48 | hatter | bot is funny |
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| 00:01.53 | flaccid | streuner: nothing comes up |
| 00:01.59 | cafuego_ | !info zlib1g etch |
| 00:02.03 | hatter | cob. thanks. off the quicky mart. |
| 00:02.10 | Ramendik | Hello. I have just updated to etch! Things seem to generally work but I have some problems |
| 00:02.13 | dpkg | zlib1g: (compression library - runtime), section libs, is required. Version: 1:1.2.3-13 (etch), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 00:02.19 | cafuego_ | Ok then./ |
| 00:02.44 | karsten | flaccid: 'echo <your desired hostname> > /etc/hostname |
| 00:02.50 | cob | hatter: this isn't a VPS by chance is it? |
| 00:02.51 | rpc | Ramendik hello. i will soon downgrade from etch! things seem to generally work but not in the way i wish them to work :) |
| 00:02.57 | karsten | flaccid: ... reboot for full clean stuff, otherwise it mostly just works. |
| 00:02.59 | Ramendik | to start with, apparently the default X terminal is no longer RXVT, how do I make it RXVT again? |
| 00:03.03 | karsten | kiba_: Belkin is ass. Avoid. |
| 00:03.19 | mango | hi, now I am using partimage, I want to do the backup over on the server, partimage secifies port number 4025, but namp on the server does not show that port open. how can I know wich protocol to enable to have that port open?. |
| 00:03.19 | flaccid | karsten: i would need to change /etc/hosts as well. thanks... i wouldn't mind reading the doco too |
| 00:03.21 | karsten | Ramendik: update-alternatives --conf x-terminal-emulator |
| 00:03.26 | karsten | flaccid: Might. |
| 00:03.27 | Ramendik | rpc: if I sometime decide that debian is going the way I don't want, I won't downgrade, I'll switch :) |
| 00:03.34 | flaccid | and yeah you don't need to reboot. you just run the hostname command |
| 00:03.42 | Xenguy | rpc: what ftpd are you using BTW? |
| 00:03.45 | hatter | cob: dont know what a VPS is ? |
| 00:04.01 | cob | hatter: virtual machine on a shared platform |
| 00:04.04 | Ramendik | another problem: aptitude warns of "untrusted packages" each time I try to install something from main! |
| 00:04.10 | karsten | flaccid: Some stuff recalls hostname elsewhere. shutdown (to single user) and 'init 2' should pretty much cover it. |
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| 00:04.20 | karsten | hatter: A virtual Penix server? |
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| 00:04.26 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:04.35 | cafuego_ | !penixstrike karsten |
| 00:04.35 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking karsten to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:04.40 | l-fy | hi |
| 00:04.44 | Ramendik | bash: update-alternatives: command not found |
| 00:04.47 | streuner | Ramendik: /topic |
| 00:04.49 | flaccid | karsten: this is why i want to find it in the doco |
| 00:04.52 | hatter | cob: ah , that qoudl be nice |
| 00:04.53 | cookoo | can i add ip addresses to /etc/group audio |
| 00:05.00 | streuner | Ramendik: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:05.01 | cafuego_ | Ramendik: as root |
| 00:05.03 | l-fy | i'm trying to create a ssl certificate on debian using make-ssl-cert |
| 00:05.18 | cafuego_ | streuner: /usr/sbin not in user path. |
| 00:05.20 | l-fy | and after i answer to every question the generated file is 0 bytes |
| 00:05.21 | Ramendik | I read topic but did not understand what of that has to do with mu problems |
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| 00:05.30 | l-fy | i use this command |
| 00:05.31 | cafuego_ | cookoo: What would be the point? |
| 00:05.32 | l-fy | make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf apache.pem |
| 00:05.36 | streuner | cafuego_: hm... |
| 00:05.39 | l-fy | am i missing something |
| 00:05.40 | l-fy | ? |
| 00:05.49 | Ramendik | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:05.50 | mango | Hi again, I want to open a port on my server. port 4025, how can I do that please? |
| 00:06.03 | cafuego_ | mango: Run a service on that port, done. |
| 00:06.06 | cookoo | so that pc at that ip can use audio device |
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| 00:06.18 | cafuego_ | cookoo: No, that's not going to work at all. |
| 00:06.24 | cafuego_ | cookoo: You'll need a sound server. |
| 00:06.26 | l-fy | so any idea how i can generate an ssl certificatE? |
| 00:06.51 | cookoo | i can use arts right |
| 00:06.54 | mango | cafuego: I don't know how, but I will look on the net. thanks man |
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| 00:07.07 | Ramendik | so how do I handle the "untrusted packages" warnings? |
| 00:07.11 | Ramendik | It is a bad mirror? |
| 00:07.16 | streuner | !sslcert |
| 00:07.16 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
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| 00:07.34 | bzed | uh? no streuner :D |
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| 00:08.02 | bzed | !tell Ramendik about key |
| 00:08.13 | juice` | does anyone knows any filesystem working on linux with transparent compression? |
| 00:08.28 | l-fy | thank you dpkg |
| 00:08.29 | dpkg | l-fy: no worries |
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| 00:08.35 | juice` | some compression-on-the-fly |
| 00:08.35 | l-fy | now how can i get the pem? |
| 00:08.38 | bzed | juice`: I think reiser4 has a plugin for that, but i doubt you wanna use it |
| 00:08.50 | karsten | Ramendik: get the keys. Rerun aptitude update. See /topic. |
| 00:09.14 | streuner | bzed: scroll up and look what i told him before |
| 00:09.20 | juice` | bzed: couldnt find this plugin, and i heard very sad news about Hans Reiser and not really know if this project isnt dead already? |
| 00:09.38 | bzed | juice`: it's buggy buggy buggy. well, at least the code is weird, still not in the kernel, and it seems that Mr. reiser killed his wife.... at least he'll have to eplain the court where his wife is ;) |
| 00:09.54 | cob | bzed: was he actually convicted? |
| 00:10.00 | cafuego_ | No |
| 00:10.00 | Ramendik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.06 | karsten | juice`: It's not dead, it's just pining for the fjords. |
| 00:10.07 | bzed | juice`: the company is still alive, though, as the fs war paid from DARPA or so |
| 00:10.08 | juice` | bzed: well let's not say he killed her, he just has trial |
| 00:10.14 | streuner | l-fy: 'pem'? |
| 00:10.16 | cafuego_ | He's innocent, as he's not been proven guilty. |
| 00:10.24 | bzed | juice`: that's why I said it seems o ;) |
| 00:10.24 | cob | ah |
| 00:10.29 | bzed | so |
| 00:10.31 | l-fy | .pem file |
| 00:10.36 | cafuego_ | That said, reiserfs is great as losing data, so you might not want to use it. |
| 00:10.45 | karsten | cob: A trial's been scheduled, http://www.sfgate.com/ has had pretty decent coverage. |
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| 00:10.52 | cafuego_ | has zfs been ported to Linux yet? |
| 00:10.55 | bzed | Ramendik: paste the output into a pastebin please? |
| 00:10.58 | juice` | ok, but what about some more stable fs ? maybe ext4? |
| 00:11.11 | juice` | maybe ext4 is not stable, but it will go to kernel sooner or later |
| 00:11.11 | bzed | cafuego_: only for fuse. sun's license is not compatible to gpl |
| 00:11.12 | Ramendik | another strange problem: "rxvt" runs with my correct fonts, but the default "rxvt-xterm" has fonts of its own. The fonts are set in ~/.Xresources |
| 00:11.18 | bzed | juice`: definitely |
| 00:11.24 | karsten | juice`: The general gist seems to be that reiserfs is running out of steam, the current situation between Hans and his perhaps-but-not-certainly dead wife doesn't help much at all. |
| 00:11.30 | juice` | bzed: does it have transparent compression? ext4 i mean |
| 00:11.38 | karsten | Ramendik: Do you have rxvt-unicode installed? |
| 00:11.40 | cafuego_ | ext4 is pre-beta |
| 00:11.41 | bzed | cafuego_: reiserfs usualyl worked well for us, although I don't trust it |
| 00:11.50 | bzed | juice`: afaik - no |
| 00:11.57 | cafuego_ | bzed: I've had some unusual problems with it (that was v3 though :-) |
| 00:12.05 | Ramendik | oops - aptitude update fixed the key problem |
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| 00:12.11 | karsten | Not currently though. |
| 00:12.13 | juice` | karsten: yes, i was using reiser4 for some time, and they development is not constant. they have months of not doing nothing |
| 00:12.15 | cafuego_ | juice`: The thing is, disk space is *cheap* |
| 00:12.15 | karsten | Ramendik: Good. |
| 00:12.19 | streuner | !start a FS war |
| 00:12.19 | dpkg | reiserfs is too slow! |
| 00:12.34 | cafuego_ | disk space is *much* cheaper than data recovery. |
| 00:12.34 | Ramendik | no I did not have rxvt-unicode installed. It's being installed now but I'm not sure it's goo |
| 00:12.36 | karsten | cafuego_: It's data, backups, and recovery which are expensive. |
| 00:12.36 | Ramendik | good |
| 00:12.37 | juice` | cafuego_: i got 1TB to archive on low budget |
| 00:12.43 | Ramendik | my locale is KOI8-R and unlikely to change |
| 00:12.45 | bzed | cafuego_: yeah, don't use 4 yet :D at least it supports resizing well, anbd that what we need |
| 00:12.54 | juice` | cafuego_: all files compressable... |
| 00:13.04 | karsten | Ramendik: I was asking as you might be running one or the other, and rxvt-unicode would be using unicode fonts. |
| 00:13.08 | hatter | well, reiser4 did have quite an upset in its life.... |
| 00:13.16 | juice` | anyways, any ideas about anything other in linux to transparent compression? |
| 00:13.23 | juice` | other than reiser4 |
| 00:13.27 | Ramendik | installing rxvt-unicode never changed things |
| 00:13.27 | bzed | juice`: find some fuse fs |
| 00:13.35 | cafuego_ | juice`: Depending on how much time you're allowed top spend, zisofs ;-) |
| 00:13.39 | rpc | bzed alive one that is :) |
| 00:13.40 | karsten | cafuego_: OTOH, my comment when I first heard the news WRT Hans & Nina was "Reiser loses stuff" |
| 00:13.51 | rpc | because /dev/wife doesn't exist anymore :) |
| 00:13.53 | Ramendik | the problem is that rxvt-xterm, when started as rxvt-xterm, does not read the *rxvt*font resource |
| 00:13.54 | cafuego_ | karsten: Indeed ;-) |
| 00:14.08 | Ramendik | how di I name the resource so that rxvt-xterm reads it? |
| 00:14.15 | bzed | hatter: it'd be in ther kernel allready if there wouldn't be some guy constantly beeing an ass towards the kernel developers. well, probably that'll have an end :P |
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| 00:14.42 | karsten | Ramendik: I've got the following X resource set: rxvt*font:fixed |
| 00:14.46 | juice` | cofuego: isnt it only for 2.4 ? |
| 00:15.02 | Ramendik | *rxvt*font: -rfx-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-180-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 00:15.02 | juice` | i mean, cafuego_, sorry |
| 00:15.03 | hatter | bzed: ah, mule antics are no fun fun for anyone |
| 00:15.13 | Ramendik | this is my entire ~/.Xresources |
| 00:15.18 | bzed | okay guys, before I go to bed, it would be great if you could read trough this howto: http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental ... I thought it could be useful, since there were 123123 people in here asking for exactly that |
| 00:15.22 | Ramendik | rxvt works only when started as rxvt |
| 00:15.41 | juice` | bzed: ah, you were going to make this linux-2.6.20 kernel image right? |
| 00:15.53 | juice` | bzed: if so, i think i have good clue for you |
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| 00:16.11 | bzed | juice`: I'll do that... within the next 2 weeks ro so, there's a dumb exam coming, and I don;t know how much free time I'll have |
| 00:16.18 | karsten | Ramendik: Might want to lose the first star, and check that that's a valid font. |
| 00:16.29 | bzed | juice`: tell me |
| 00:16.33 | juice` | bzed: becouse on my hardware, changing from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 doesnt work without changing .config variables. standard debian from 2.6.18 doesnt work |
| 00:16.34 | Ramendik | it's a valid font otherwise rxvt, used as rxvt, would not use it? |
| 00:16.39 | karsten | Ramendik: And query that using "xrdb -query' which will tell you what's actually been set. |
| 00:16.43 | streuner | bzed: well, it should be fun at 1:16 am to read through this HOWTO ;-) |
| 00:16.44 | juice` | bzed: i think they've changed how SATA works |
| 00:16.52 | bzed | juice`: ah, yeah I know |
| 00:16.54 | Ramendik | *rxvt*font: -rfx-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-180-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 00:16.55 | cob | another example of why I now use kubuntu; that writeup is going to give me a headache |
| 00:17.01 | juice` | bzed: in 2.6.19 or 2.6.20 they added whole new tree. and it is not configured automatically |
| 00:17.07 | bzed | juice`: nothing new, I'm used to follow the kernel.org changelog ;) |
| 00:17.13 | cob | enable universe and apt-get install nvidia |
| 00:17.14 | juice` | bzed: so my harddrives stopped working |
| 00:17.22 | bzed | juice`: and I'm runnign 2.6.20 since weeks... but thanks :) |
| 00:17.25 | streuner | heh |
| 00:17.29 | juice` | bzed: i know, but you didnt know what could be the cause of my problem |
| 00:17.33 | bzed | !penixstrike cob |
| 00:17.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:17.54 | Ramendik | ok, do I need to restart X for .Xresources to be reread? |
| 00:17.57 | juice` | bzed: so i thought you didnt know about it, but if you know then ok. i remember you saying '2.6.18 config should work' |
| 00:18.05 | streuner | bzed: are you at the uni there? |
| 00:18.09 | juice` | bzed: it shouldnt becouse of that :) ok if you know it then nevermind |
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| 00:18.25 | cob | not saying your write-up isn't good, just making a point about the state of leenoox in general |
| 00:18.32 | bzed | juice`: nah, I'd just use it as a base for a 2.6.20 config ;) |
| 00:18.43 | bzed | streuner: yes, darmstadt university of technology |
| 00:18.47 | karsten | Ramendik: No. "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" |
| 00:18.53 | Ramendik | ok, thx |
| 00:18.56 | streuner | bzed: as student? |
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| 00:19.13 | juice` | and about my ATI 1950 pro problem, i think ATI developers didnt add ATI 1950 pro support yet in fglrx |
| 00:19.17 | bzed | streuner: yeah, still. studying computer science and working as sysadmin at the dep. of architecture |
| 00:19.18 | juice` | if anyone is intrested... |
| 00:19.31 | Ramendik | another question. I apparently had /etc/mailcap broken before the dist-upgrade, and a lot of packages refused to update it when installing. I fixed the issue, butt now many installled packags have not updated mailcap. Can I rebuild mailcap somehow? |
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| 00:20.27 | bzed | Ramendik: run update-mime |
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| 00:20.46 | Ramendik | done.... |
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| 00:21.28 | Ramendik | and another one... How do I install nvidia drivers for xorg? The kernel part is there (the kernel was not updated at all) but the driver does not load. nv works but I want nvidia for 3d |
| 00:21.55 | streuner | Ramendik: well, nvidia-glx |
| 00:21.55 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 00:21.56 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
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| 00:22.30 | Ramendik | thanks |
| 00:22.46 | svk__ | Hi, any simple way to get SSL for apache 2 working? I've googled, but most sources seem to recommend the script apache2-ssl-certificate, which seems to be missing at the moment |
| 00:22.46 | ltsp4 | hi, why when I want to reboot using: Desktop -> Shutdown... -> Restart, I just log out? |
| 00:23.10 | Ramendik | now... apparently the kernel did not get updated. It's 2.6.18 from backports.org some months ago. Should I update the kernel and dependent packages and if yes, how? |
| 00:23.14 | streuner | !tell svk__ about sslcert |
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| 00:23.20 | karsten | ltsp4: Um. Something's keeping reboot from running properly? Can you log back into the system? Do you see a running reboot/shutdown process? |
| 00:23.34 | svk__ | thanks, I'll try that |
| 00:23.54 | streuner | svk__: well, there is a HOWTO at httpd. apache.org too, IIRC |
| 00:24.01 | prometeus | hi, where can i find a (compiled) g_NCR5380.ko ? |
| 00:24.24 | karsten | prometeus: In the build tree ;-) |
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| 00:25.26 | streuner | antgel: LTNS |
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| 00:26.44 | Ramendik | So - should I update the kernel now? |
| 00:27.36 | streuner | hm, doesn't have b.d.o not only 2.6.16? |
| 00:27.55 | streuner | oh, they have 2.6.18, IIRC |
| 00:28.08 | streuner | no, they don't have a newer kernel then |
| 00:28.23 | Ramendik | but they seem to have fixed some bugs anyway? |
| 00:28.34 | streuner | sure |
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| 00:30.20 | streuner | see 'changelog' for details |
| 00:30.35 | scv | hi, what's wrong with kernels? |
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| 00:30.54 | streuner | cafuego_: hey, its somertime in .au, how is the *beach* there? ;-) |
| 00:30.55 | flaccid | streuner: plugging in a hub makes the usb work |
| 00:31.04 | flaccid | something must be wrong with the root hub or something |
| 00:31.13 | cafuego_ | streuner: Autumn has just started. |
| 00:31.17 | Ramendik | I just wanna try and update the kernel |
| 00:31.21 | streuner | !congratulate flaccid |
| 00:31.21 | dpkg | Nice one flaccid, you did it! |
| 00:31.23 | Ramendik | I have just updated to etch |
| 00:31.32 | streuner | cafuego_: :-P |
| 00:31.56 | cafuego_ | streuner: We're just suffering through a remnant of a tropical cyclone that hit the northwest coast a few days ago, so it's low 20's and raining. |
| 00:32.07 | FuzzyB | northwest coast of what? |
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| 00:32.18 | streuner | .au |
| 00:32.21 | FuzzyB | ah |
| 00:32.22 | Ramendik | The resources thing got fixed by adding resources for "rxvt-xterm" and "x-terminal-emulator" - apparently rxvt knows the name under which it is started and uses it for resources |
| 00:32.22 | streuner | Perth |
| 00:32.28 | scv | who cares? |
| 00:32.36 | mango | I am sorry guys. I could not find how to start a port number 4025....could you please help...thanks |
| 00:32.36 | cafuego_ | streuner: Yesterday was a nice 33°C though |
| 00:32.37 | FuzzyB | i was interested |
| 00:32.44 | flaccid | streuner: heheh not really but thanks |
| 00:32.52 | cafuego_ | streuner: perth is southwest, not northwest |
| 00:32.54 | streuner | cafuego_: oh, that's pretty *heavy* |
| 00:33.07 | streuner | cafuego_: so you moved? |
| 00:33.11 | cafuego_ | streuner: You're 2000km off course ;-) |
| 00:33.18 | cafuego_ | streuner: No, I'm still in melbourne. |
| 00:33.23 | cafuego_ | Which is south eas |
| 00:33.26 | Ramendik | which kernel should I install on a Pentium4, with HT and x86-64? |
| 00:33.51 | streuner | cafuego_: ah, i forgot |
| 00:33.53 | alaya__ | wouldn't perth be in the southeast down there? |
| 00:34.11 | karsten | Ramendik: Ahh... I suppose I discovered that a while ago as I've got both terms defined. I think 'Rxvt' and Xterm' are class definitions, and using just one of those (probably the latter) should cover all instances. You can also play tricks by defining a client name and setting a name-specific resource. I do that for w3mTerm and muttTerm whcih I invoke via WM shortcuts. |
| 00:34.13 | cafuego_ | alaya__: No, left and right don't change when you cross the equator. |
| 00:34.17 | karsten | alaya__: southwest |
| 00:34.31 | Ramendik | ok |
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| 00:34.38 | Ramendik | never mind, I fixed things for now |
| 00:34.39 | alaya__ | cafuego_: i thought maybe you guys flipped the map like we do to put yourselves on top |
| 00:34.48 | karsten | cafuego_: The moon turns upside down though. |
| 00:34.48 | streuner | !ia64 |
| 00:34.48 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 00:34.49 | Ramendik | The kernel seems to be the only q |
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| 00:35.11 | karsten | alaya__: They do, but the east coast becomes the left coast. |
| 00:35.15 | cafuego_ | alaya__: We do, so west becomes the other side as well. |
| 00:35.15 | Ramendik | oh, one more |
| 00:35.24 | Ramendik | I want to install totem and do NOT want to install totem-mozilla |
| 00:35.25 | alaya__ | oic |
| 00:35.29 | cafuego_ | karsten: Yup, and the constellations all change :-) |
| 00:35.38 | Ramendik | aptitude install totem wants to install totem-mozilla as well |
| 00:35.46 | alaya__ | does north stay the same as well? |
| 00:35.53 | Ramendik | apt-get install totem installs totem only, but the next time aptitude is run it removes totem! |
| 00:36.14 | Ramendik | How can I do this? I do NOT WANT totem-mozilla as I want to try the mozilla vlc plugin instead |
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| 00:36.29 | karsten | cafuego_: The moon really sorta weirded me out. And the fact that teh sun was low to the north, rather than south, though the net effect was that it seemed to cross the sky backward. |
| 00:36.30 | bzed | Ramendik: you can configure somewhere that aptitude does nto isntall recommended stuff automatically |
| 00:36.46 | bzed | Ramendik: such weird things are still the reason why I use apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 00:36.49 | cafuego_ | Meh, that's nothing a couple of beers can't fix. |
| 00:37.00 | alaya__ | wait, the moon and sun appear to be going the other way??? |
| 00:38.06 | alaya__ | if you face the south pole, which hand does the sun rise on? |
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| 00:38.21 | karsten | alaya__: If you're used to orienting yourself as "south is where the sun is low", ergo, sun goes east to west, ergo, left to right, facing south). |
| 00:38.29 | karsten | alaya__: Behind you. |
| 00:38.29 | streuner | cafuego_: ™ for this statement has 'Guerin' :-) |
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| 00:38.50 | karsten | alaya__: In Oz, sun is low to the north, ergo facing the sun it crosses from right to left. |
| 00:39.00 | alaya__ | left to right is the same as here |
| 00:39.21 | cafuego_ | Well, high to the north actually |
| 00:39.25 | alaya__ | oh wait that is the opposite |
| 00:39.27 | karsten | alaya__: Yes, that's what I was saying. |
| 00:39.41 | cafuego_ | alaya__: So if you face the sun, it moves from right to left. |
| 00:40.05 | karsten | cafuego_: Unless you're at a tropic of capricorn, it's to the north in the sky. |
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| 00:40.13 | alaya__ | i know this is OT but that is freaky. i think it would bug me. |
| 00:40.31 | karsten | alaya__: It was oddly disconcerting when I was in Oz. |
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| 00:41.17 | Ramendik | one more: where so I enable font subpixel rendering |
| 00:41.18 | Ramendik | ? |
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| 00:41.30 | hatter | karsten: where do you live |
| 00:41.31 | hatter | ? |
| 00:41.31 | dooglus | haha |
| 00:41.37 | karsten | hatter: In a house. |
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| 00:41.50 | karsten | Ramendik: Generally in KDE or GNOME config is the most straightforward. |
| 00:41.50 | hatter | karsten: are you sure ? |
| 00:42.02 | karsten | hatter: No, I'm karsten. |
| 00:42.10 | alaya__ | Ramendik: what karsten said but also dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 00:42.10 | hatter | karsten: you can have a few moments to check if you like. |
| 00:42.36 | karsten | hatter: Mate. |
| 00:42.49 | hatter | karsten: ah, i can tell by your accent. |
| 00:42.51 | cafuego_ | karsten: yeah, but you really don't want to go that far north, as it's hot, sticky and full of poisonous beasties ;-) |
| 00:42.56 | hatter | that was all you needed to say |
| 00:42.57 | Ramendik | I am not using KDE or GNOME, I am using icewm |
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| 00:43.02 | Ramendik | will do, thanks |
| 00:43.10 | karsten | cafuego_: ... as opposed to the rest of Oz ... |
| 00:43.21 | karsten | cafuego_: ... which was also hot, sticky, and full of poisonous beasties. |
| 00:43.22 | cafuego_ | karsten: Well... relatively anyway |
| 00:43.34 | cafuego_ | Melbourne gets hot though, but not sticky. |
| 00:43.46 | hatter | pfff. foreigner's. too much discovery channel/ |
| 00:43.47 | cafuego_ | ANd we really only have redback spiders to worry about |
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| 00:44.06 | cafuego_ | they killed all the other spiders and snakes |
| 00:44.07 | hatter | makes em all scaredy cats. |
| 00:44.10 | Velaskyalf | Hello to all. |
| 00:44.14 | Velaskyalf | What is debian? |
| 00:44.29 | hatter | whats a crocodile or a funnel web between friends. |
| 00:44.30 | karsten | cafuego_: Sydney was decidedly sticky in Feb, by my read. I got within ~2m of a blacksnake, also saw one of those large lizards at Kurun-Gai (or whatever it's called) just north of Sydney. |
| 00:44.34 | test0036 | Velaskyalf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 00:44.35 | bzed | !tell Velaskyalf about debian |
| 00:44.45 | hatter | Ku-ring-gai |
| 00:44.49 | karsten | Velaskyalf: Excellent. |
| 00:44.51 | cafuego_ | karsten: Sydney is *always* sticky. |
| 00:45.03 | Velaskyalf | so what is goal debian against CentOS? |
| 00:45.35 | Ramendik | q: how do I change the keyboard layout for the text console? |
| 00:45.38 | cafuego_ | karsten: They have a completely different climate; winds off the warm ocean. We don't have that in melbourne at all. We either get hot dry desert wind or ice katabatic antarctic storms. |
| 00:45.40 | karsten | cafuego_: Particularly at mardi-gras |
| 00:45.53 | cafuego_ | hey ho! |
| 00:46.06 | bzed | Velaskyalf: that's not compareable. it's like comparing humans (==debian) and mice (==centos) |
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| 00:46.39 | Josiah | does anyone know of a way to get debian to understand spaces in directory names? That is to say, to get it to not do this: http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/5065 |
| 00:46.52 | karsten | Velaskyalf: CentOS is a RHEL run-alike. Suggest you visit http://www.centos.org/ and http://www.debian.org/ to satisfy your curiosity. Take a look at the Debian Constitution and DFSG in particular. |
| 00:47.14 | Velaskyalf | Great bzed, i am fun of debian. but someone is here wondering debian.and want to use it. |
| 00:47.16 | Velaskyalf | :)) |
| 00:47.31 | karsten | Velaskyalf: Might also want to read http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 00:47.38 | karsten | !tell Velaskyalf about why debian |
| 00:47.53 | cafuego_ | Josiah: Use tab completion, it auto-escapes them with a \ |
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| 00:48.10 | cafuego_ | Josiah: So Linux\ Stuff. ALternatively, use quotes. "Linux Stuff" |
| 00:48.53 | Josiah | sweet, it works |
| 00:48.56 | Josiah | thanks bro |
| 00:48.57 | bzed | Velaskyalf: grab a live cd and try it :) |
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| 00:49.12 | Velaskyalf | thanks karsten and bzed. |
| 00:49.24 | dooglus | !tell me about why debian |
| 00:49.24 | Velaskyalf | I love my girlfriend (debian) ;9 |
| 00:49.42 | bzed | !tell Velaskyalf about pr0n |
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| 00:49.59 | rocks | how do i use dpkg command to see where a packages binary is installed? |
| 00:50.04 | rocks | i've just installed autoscan, but can't find the binary |
| 00:50.07 | karsten | rocks: -L |
| 00:50.11 | karsten | rocks: man dpkg |
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| 00:50.21 | rfrank | jesus |
| 00:50.26 | karsten | rocks: To search for a particular file: -S |
| 00:50.28 | rfrank | might as well just make a bot which tells people to use man |
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| 00:50.29 | rocks | karsten: thanks for the most typical respond ahha |
| 00:50.33 | rocks | i already figured it out |
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| 00:50.36 | rocks | the -L is good |
| 00:50.37 | rocks | :-) |
| 00:50.38 | rocks | thank you. |
| 00:50.48 | rfrank | Hey guys, I need t- |
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| 00:50.49 | rfrank | USE MAN! |
| 00:50.53 | rfrank | :| |
| 00:51.15 | streuner | What did you smoke today? |
| 00:51.26 | Ramendik | hmm |
| 00:51.31 | rfrank | debian |
| 00:51.38 | intruder_ | haha |
| 00:51.39 | Ramendik | quickly scroling back and forth in iceweasel causes high CPU load |
| 00:51.50 | l-fy | rfrank > most of the normal people prefer to spend their time sleeping or dancing or something more fun than reading some stupid documentation that doesn't teach them anything really usefull |
| 00:52.04 | Ramendik | I have already changed "export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO" to "export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1" in the iceweasel script |
| 00:52.11 | Ramendik | what else can I do to fix this? |
| 00:52.14 | l-fy | i'm mean let's be serios, Stephen Hawkins is the real thing, not the man |
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| 00:53.02 | streuner | l-fy: people tell you in order to fix YOUR problems, so i would read it or not ... |
| 00:53.05 | holycow | l-fy, lol |
| 00:53.10 | mezmiro | Does Debian load different drivers for devices based on the X you chose? |
| 00:53.17 | mezmiro | As in, will GNOME load different sound drivers than KDE? |
| 00:53.18 | holycow | on the other hand, i consider sleeping dancing or anything like that completely useless |
| 00:53.25 | l-fy | streuner > in this evening debian is my problem |
| 00:53.27 | holycow | reading manuals on the other hand lets me do things i couldn't do before |
| 00:53.31 | l-fy | and i don't even want to install it |
| 00:53.32 | holycow | which is VERY usefull |
| 00:53.37 | l-fy | i have a stupid client which is using it |
| 00:53.39 | markybob | mezmiro, different daemons, anyway. gnome uses esd and kde uses artsd |
| 00:53.45 | streuner | so just leave us |
| 00:53.50 | holycow | l-fy, your client has smarts :) |
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| 00:53.55 | holycow | what problem are you running into? |
| 00:54.03 | l-fy | holycow > but is not like you read about the mysteries of the universe in the mans for debian |
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| 00:54.11 | mezmiro | thanks markybob :) I just reinstalled Debian a little bit ago....tons of problems so I just reinstalled. |
| 00:54.12 | l-fy | is just something stupid that other people invented |
| 00:54.35 | mezmiro | I just downloaded alsa-base and alsa-utils, but it keeps saying modinfo: snd: no module by that name found. |
| 00:54.43 | karsten | l-fy: is there a point lurking in there somewhere or are you just chewing bandwidth? |
| 00:54.47 | l-fy | holycow > my client installed debian because it didn't heard that there are better ways to spend your evenings |
| 00:55.08 | rfrank | haha |
| 00:55.08 | holycow | lol why are you in i.t. |
| 00:55.13 | markybob | mezmiro, it should exist. you compiled your own kernel? |
| 00:55.20 | l-fy | karsten > i've just spent 2 hours of asking google, and asking here, and reading the manuals to enable ssl on apache in debian |
| 00:55.26 | l-fy | allow me to complain about debian |
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| 00:55.31 | mezmiro | Nope, just installed from a netinst disk. |
| 00:55.40 | Ramendik | bye all |
| 00:55.47 | mezmiro | Linux debian 2.4.27-3-386 ^_^ |
| 00:55.50 | streuner | l-fy: why not just troll somewhere else? |
| 00:55.55 | karsten | l-fy: I'd suggest your beef is with apache. Have you tried #apache? |
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| 00:55.58 | holycow | clearly your client knows what he wants and why they did it |
| 00:56.06 | l-fy | streuner > i don't troll, i think that i have a point here |
| 00:56.09 | rfrank | mezmiro, why is your kernel so old O_O |
| 00:56.14 | mezmiro | Haha. |
| 00:56.15 | holycow | l-fy, actually you don't |
| 00:56.16 | rfrank | 2.6.20-rf1 |
| 00:56.16 | holycow | hehe |
| 00:56.20 | rfrank | :P |
| 00:56.26 | buu | l-fy: Clearly you are committing fraud by selling your services to this client. |
| 00:56.26 | holycow | your only point is that you don't know how to use debian :) |
| 00:56.32 | mezmiro | Well the last time I tried to upgrade to 2.6.....my system got -hosed- |
| 00:56.33 | l-fy | why doesn't debian install by default at his installation a certificate like all the other decent disytros and by default setup 443 for ssl |
| 00:56.54 | mezmiro | So! until I know what I'm doing, I'de like to run this for a little bit ^_^ First I have to fix my sound though. |
| 00:56.54 | karsten | l-fy: apache or apache2? |
| 00:56.58 | l-fy | apache2 |
| 00:57.16 | rfrank | BLah |
| 00:57.18 | rfrank | apache! |
| 00:57.20 | l-fy | buu > you have just atack me personally |
| 00:57.22 | rfrank | use lighty |
| 00:57.22 | rfrank | :D |
| 00:57.25 | l-fy | and i don't understand why |
| 00:57.29 | mezmiro | Any ideas what the sound problem might be? |
| 00:57.39 | rfrank | mezmiro, repeat question |
| 00:57.44 | l-fy | rfrank > this is a debian problem as long as other distros have a fix for it |
| 00:58.02 | markybob | mezmiro, install etch. you'll get an updated 2.6.18 kernel with alsa configured. the end |
| 00:58.04 | l-fy | generate a cert at the debian installation, and i won't complain |
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| 00:58.13 | mezmiro | :( That's how I got hosed man. |
| 00:58.20 | karsten | l-fy: /usr/share/doc/apache2-* is going to be one place to look. |
| 00:58.23 | l-fy | or at least have a decent tool to do the job |
| 00:58.35 | markybob | mezmiro, saying that doesnt help anything. giving me specific errors or problems might |
| 00:58.40 | mezmiro | But if I install Etch correctly the sound will probably work? |
| 00:58.43 | karsten | l-fy: Certs are a tad tricky as a lot of folks want to install one, not generate once (they want to use a CA cert). |
| 00:58.51 | l-fy | karsten > why are you moving the problem from debian to apache when in fact, debian can solve the problem |
| 00:58.52 | markybob | mezmiro, use etch's daily netinst cd |
| 00:59.06 | l-fy | apache is not suppose to generate a default cert |
| 00:59.08 | mezmiro | hmm.. |
| 00:59.08 | markybob | mezmiro, from here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:59.13 | l-fy | while debian can do that |
| 00:59.17 | karsten | l-fy: If you're interested in *solving* the problem, I'll give you a couple of clues. |
| 00:59.27 | karsten | l-fy: If all you want to do is bitch, /ignore is very handy. |
| 00:59.32 | l-fy | karsten > i agree, with you |
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| 00:59.36 | karsten | l-fy: http://ilovett.com/blog/projects/installing-ssl-on-debian-apache2 |
| 00:59.49 | l-fy | karsten > i still hope i will never be force to see debian again, and now it works |
| 00:59.50 | diskus | l-fy: it's best if you solve the problem and then contribute |
| 00:59.52 | hatter | any ideas what could cause a program to think a filesystem is full when writing to /tmp ? |
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| 01:00.11 | mezmiro | Hmm okay markybob , hopefully that will work better. Thanks :) |
| 01:00.13 | karsten | hatter: ... the filesystem is full? |
| 01:00.14 | l-fy | "apache2-ssl-certificate" |
| 01:00.27 | l-fy | "apache2-ssl-certificate" - this doesn't exist anymore in debian 4, so the howto is useless |
| 01:00.35 | bzed | hatter: df -h /tmp ? |
| 01:00.42 | l-fy | + make-ssl-cert didn't work |
| 01:00.46 | hatter | karsten: vmplayer is trying to write to /tmp and saying there is very little disk space, but there is plenty |
| 01:00.49 | hatter | on ethc |
| 01:00.51 | hatter | etch |
| 01:00.56 | karsten | l-fy: Check the apache changelog. May also be an openssl command to create a cert. |
| 01:01.17 | l-fy | diskus > this is the problem with open source done by community, nobody cares about the user in general |
| 01:01.18 | karsten | l-fy: I'm directing you to #apache because you're going to find folks there who're a lot more familiar with this process. |
| 01:01.18 | bzed | l-fy: that was removed for a good reason - most people who want to run a webserver with ssl need a serious ssl vert anyway |
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| 01:01.26 | bzed | *cert |
| 01:01.34 | karsten | l-fy: If you *want* help, quit bitching. Now. |
| 01:01.35 | l-fy | karsten > i've use someone help from here with openssl |
| 01:01.39 | bzed | l-fy: and a self-signed certificate is useless |
| 01:01.46 | l-fy | karsten > why do you attack me? |
| 01:01.53 | flaccid | hey guys i need some help with cups/turboprint/usb print stuff. its all working but nothing is printing. can someone advise how to work out what device name my printer has |
| 01:01.58 | l-fy | is my fault that debian doesn't have a decent way to deal with ssl? |
| 01:02.05 | l-fy | bzed > no is not |
| 01:02.08 | bzed | l-fy: http://sial.org/howto/openssl/self-signed/ |
| 01:02.10 | hatter | is /tmp created by udev ? |
| 01:02.12 | markybob | l-fy, you're looking for the ssl-cert package. apt-get install it |
| 01:02.14 | l-fy | why ? |
| 01:02.23 | streuner | hatter: no |
| 01:02.27 | bzed | l-fy: it _is_ |
| 01:02.33 | l-fy | when every other distro does it right? on every other distro you have a self signed certificate? |
| 01:02.40 | l-fy | why in the earth won't debian have it |
| 01:02.41 | l-fy | ? |
| 01:02.46 | bzed | l-fy: as it's security by obscurity |
| 01:02.50 | karsten | hatter: strace vmplayer and see what actual error it's hitting. It may be misrepresenting it to you. You can attach strace to a running process w/ "-p <pid>" |
| 01:02.56 | l-fy | why do i have to spend 2 hours looking in wrong made howtos, and so on just to enable ssl? |
| 01:03.05 | mezmiro | That's linux.... |
| 01:03.09 | markybob | l-fy, because most debian users who use ssl also use real authenticated certificates |
| 01:03.09 | l-fy | bzed > is stupidity by obscurity |
| 01:03.11 | diskus | l-fy: read real manuals, now howtos |
| 01:03.12 | wols | l-fy: cause apache2 is not supposed to use self siged certs. you should pay your $100 and buy a real one |
| 01:03.24 | l-fy | mezmiro > than why in the earth is working even on mandriva? |
| 01:03.26 | bzed | l-fy: I can't trust a self-signed certificate, get a real one and be happy |
| 01:03.35 | l-fy | ok |
| 01:03.37 | hatter | karsten: thx, I will try this |
| 01:03.41 | l-fy | this debate doesn't take anywhere |
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| 01:03.46 | bzed | l-fy: and learn to google, the link I gave you was the first hit in google |
| 01:03.47 | karsten | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
| 01:03.52 | l-fy | you guys are to deaf to listen to me |
| 01:03.55 | bzed | l-fy: or use cacert.org |
| 01:03.56 | karsten | http://www.google.com/search?q=apache2+ssl+debian |
| 01:03.56 | streuner | says the troll and end the 'discussion' |
| 01:03.56 | l-fy | have a nice evening |
| 01:04.01 | Victor``` | hello people my name is victor and i am a recovering debian addict. |
| 01:04.12 | bzed | !beer Victor``` |
| 01:04.16 | wols | l-fy: or maybe you don't have a point |
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| 01:04.27 | streuner | wols: gone |
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| 01:04.39 | wols | streuner: and good riddance |
| 01:04.50 | karsten | Googled awfully hard, I can tell... |
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| 01:04.51 | wols | Victor```: why recovering addict? what's to recover from? |
| 01:05.05 | streuner | its easy to critizes, but its more harder to create... |
| 01:05.16 | karsten | wols: I think he means he recovers debian systems which have fallen on hard times. |
| 01:05.16 | Ramendik | One more problem... I want a list of users at startup. I am trying to use kdm. I have enabled the list in kcontrol but the list is nt there! |
| 01:05.25 | Ramendik | APparently some theme is overriding things for kdm - how do I disable that theme? |
| 01:05.28 | diskus | well, some people wants everything of the shelf |
| 01:05.43 | karsten | streuner: It helps a hell of a lot not to ple on. That guy was making awfully hard to help himself though. |
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| 01:05.47 | Victor``` | eh. |
| 01:05.53 | karsten | Ramendik: Install twm ;-) |
| 01:05.58 | flaccid | can someone explain to me how to work out the correct /dev for a usb device plugged in ? |
| 01:05.58 | Victor``` | wols: it was a joke :P |
| 01:06.01 | karsten | s/ple/pile/ |
| 01:06.08 | Ramendik | karsten: I am not using kde at all - only kdm |
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| 01:06.18 | Ramendik | it's a logon manager problem not a wm one |
| 01:06.26 | karsten | Ramendik: Ah. |
| 01:06.30 | Victor``` | flaccid: it depends on what kind of USB device |
| 01:06.31 | karsten | Ramendik: NFC then. |
| 01:06.41 | flaccid | Victor```: its a printer |
| 01:06.47 | Ramendik | what is NFC? |
| 01:06.53 | karsten | !NFC |
| 01:06.53 | dpkg | [nfc] No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 01:06.53 | Victor``` | flaccid: lsusb |
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| 01:06.59 | Ramendik | ok |
| 01:06.59 | lunaphyte | what is the difference between 'eastern time' and 'eastern time - michigan - most locations'? |
| 01:07.13 | Victor``` | lunaphyte: DST |
| 01:07.40 | lunaphyte | more specifically, though. |
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| 01:07.46 | karsten | lunaphyte: 28 bytes. |
| 01:07.47 | black_13 | where can i find guide to building debian package |
| 01:07.59 | diskus | this eastern time and western time are a bit confusing.. for me east is russia, china, japan and west europe :P |
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| 01:08.26 | karsten | black_13: Debian New Maintainers Guide |
| 01:08.28 | flaccid | Victor```: i'm already using that. that does not advise the /dev |
| 01:08.41 | Victor``` | meh |
| 01:09.34 | karsten | lunaphyte: 9 bits per byte in DST. |
| 01:09.44 | karsten | lunaphyte: ... but the index is shifted by one ... |
| 01:09.44 | flaccid | so how do you find the logical device name? |
| 01:09.50 | karsten | lunaphyte: ... so it's really just 8 bytes. |
| 01:10.02 | karsten | flaccid: By discarding all the illogical ones. |
| 01:10.05 | lunaphyte | you're joking. |
| 01:10.10 | karsten | flaccid: What context? |
| 01:10.16 | karsten | lunaphyte: Never been more serious. |
| 01:10.34 | lunaphyte | then what am i missing? |
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| 01:11.40 | flaccid | context of what? |
| 01:11.52 | karsten | My question exactly. |
| 01:11.56 | holycow | Victor```, hehe |
| 01:12.03 | holycow | what is your 12 step program? vista? |
| 01:12.10 | flaccid | wtf |
| 01:12.20 | flaccid | there must be a proper way to find out |
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| 01:14.55 | markybob | flaccid, tail -f /var/log/syslog ....then plug it in. you'll see the system register it |
| 01:15.23 | flaccid | yes i do see that. it does not advice the device name |
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| 01:15.56 | markybob | sure it does. look closer |
| 01:16.44 | flaccid | Mar 16 10:50:28 elektra kernel: printer.c: usblp1: USB Bidirectional printer dev 7 if 2 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04A9 pid 0x1707 |
| 01:16.58 | flaccid | i can work it out from that you are saying? |
| 01:17.15 | streuner | flaccid: fine, just visit linuxprinting.org now |
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| 01:17.36 | karsten | flaccid: I believe you might be able to draw an association between the bus and device nubmers, and the /dev/usbdevN.N_epNN devices shown. |
| 01:17.53 | flaccid | right |
| 01:17.59 | streuner | flaccid: http://linux-printing.org/ |
| 01:18.11 | flaccid | nobody knows off the top of their head? |
| 01:18.33 | streuner | well, there are plenty of printers out there, just read they tell you |
| 01:19.00 | flaccid | huh |
| 01:19.04 | flaccid | i just want to work out the /dev |
| 01:19.16 | flaccid | that would be the same process for all printers/usb |
| 01:19.18 | streuner | you need the driver |
| 01:19.23 | streuner | not more or less |
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| 01:19.35 | flaccid | i have the driver |
| 01:19.41 | flaccid | and its all set up correctly |
| 01:19.46 | flaccid | its just not printing |
| 01:19.53 | streuner | CUPS? |
| 01:19.54 | flaccid | LPGETSTATUS returned a port status of 18... |
| 01:19.57 | flaccid | yep |
| 01:19.59 | flaccid | with turboprint |
| 01:20.06 | streuner | oh |
| 01:20.51 | flaccid | with error log level it returns nothing |
| 01:21.00 | flaccid | as in nothing in log |
| 01:21.29 | flaccid | my problem is like this guy although he has a dif printer |
| 01:21.29 | flaccid | http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/5/29975.html |
| 01:21.43 | streuner | turboprint isn't in debian? |
| 01:22.01 | streuner | just use CUPS instead :-) |
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| 01:23.09 | flaccid | no its a 3rd party driver |
| 01:23.12 | flaccid | not a printing system |
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| 01:23.27 | flaccid | i'm using turboprint driver w/ cups |
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| 01:24.45 | bzed | streuner: turboprint works well :) |
| 01:24.52 | bzed | flaccid: what's the problem? |
| 01:24.54 | flaccid | so it would be a good start to confirm the device |
| 01:25.02 | flaccid | bzed: i'll pastebin the cups log |
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| 01:25.44 | bzed | flaccid: did you convert the turboprint rpm to deb, by using alien? |
| 01:25.44 | streuner | bzed: feel free to make the support of them :-) |
| 01:25.46 | xjkx | ttys0 is like com0, ttys1 is com1? |
| 01:25.47 | flaccid | no |
| 01:25.47 | flaccid | i downloaded and installed the .deb package |
| 01:25.51 | bzed | flaccid: oh they finally have one? great! |
| 01:25.54 | bzed | i should do that, too |
| 01:26.14 | flaccid | http://pastebin.ca/396810 |
| 01:26.14 | bzed | flaccid: did you use xtpsetup to configure the driver? |
| 01:26.17 | mezmiro | Man...I'm getting tired of my debian iso downloads failing... |
| 01:26.26 | flaccid | no its a server so tpsetup from shell |
| 01:26.39 | streuner | mezmiro: there are torrents for |
| 01:27.00 | streuner | mezmiro: why did you talk in plural? |
| 01:27.06 | mezmiro | hmm...for the daily isos? |
| 01:27.18 | bzed | flaccid: hmm, well.. sounds like you wanna contact them, I have no clue why it's failing there. I think the turboprint guys will support such issues |
| 01:27.19 | streuner | uh, no, IIRC |
| 01:27.28 | mezmiro | Well, it's happened to me before streuner ^_^. |
| 01:27.29 | flaccid | interesting |
| 01:27.39 | streuner | a known problem |
| 01:27.40 | flaccid | bzed: do you know how to confirm the device name. nobody here does :) |
| 01:27.40 | mezmiro | I'm downloading things on a laptop that doesn't like download managers too..college laptop, yanno. |
| 01:28.30 | karsten | mezmiro: Window machine? |
| 01:29.02 | bzed | flaccid: you're using an usb printer? |
| 01:29.05 | mezmiro | The laptop, yes. |
| 01:29.12 | karsten | mezmiro: Got Firefox? |
| 01:29.19 | mezmiro | karsten: Yup. |
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| 01:29.45 | karsten | mezmiro: IIRC there's a d/l manager for that which does smart stuff like resuming partial d/l's. |
| 01:29.46 | xjkx | how do i know in what COM (ttys*) is a hardware? |
| 01:29.55 | xjkx | dmesg doesnt tell |
| 01:30.05 | mezmiro | karsten: My priviledges are limited though.. which is why I can't install something like FlashGet correctly. |
| 01:30.07 | karsten | xjkx: setserial, irqs. |
| 01:30.15 | karsten | xjkx: ... and or hook something up to the port and try to read it. |
| 01:30.25 | karsten | mezmiro: Boot Knoppix. |
| 01:30.29 | karsten | mezmiro: .. and bypass the problem entirely. |
| 01:30.31 | bzed | xjkx: /dev/ttyS0 is the first serial port... |
| 01:30.44 | karsten | (Assumes you can then write to disk, I think you can). |
| 01:30.47 | xjkx | karrotx_, i want to list, not to set :P |
| 01:30.53 | mezmiro | Haha, I can't get the nic to work correctly in knoppix. |
| 01:30.59 | flaccid | someone gets the error here too :http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-430913.html |
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| 01:31.04 | flaccid | bzed: yep usb printer |
| 01:31.12 | mezmiro | Well, unless there's a way to install Debian via knoppix? |
| 01:31.14 | xjkx | bzed, uhmm so, its com0 or com1, like on win :> |
| 01:31.16 | bzed | flaccid: then it should be the right device |
| 01:31.17 | flaccid | so i guess need to confirm which it is in /dev/usb |
| 01:31.19 | karsten | mezmiro: Yep. |
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| 01:31.22 | bzed | xjkx: yes |
| 01:31.25 | karsten | !tell mezmiro about chroot install |
| 01:31.27 | flaccid | what should be the right device? |
| 01:31.32 | mezmiro | o_o the daily iso? wow.. |
| 01:31.38 | bzed | xjkx: /dev/ttyS0 would be com0, /dev/ttyS1 com1 |
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| 01:31.52 | xjkx | uhmm |
| 01:32.03 | xjkx | so if he has only one com, it must be com0 |
| 01:32.12 | bzed | mezmiro: tried http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/? |
| 01:32.32 | bzed | xjkx: usually it is, yes. |
| 01:32.39 | mezmiro | bzed: : Working on downloading the iso...but the download failed once. |
| 01:32.55 | bzed | mezmiro: use wget... and wget -x to continue the download |
| 01:33.01 | bzed | err |
| 01:33.03 | bzed | wget -c |
| 01:33.16 | mezmiro | I'm downloading it on a windows laptop though ^^; |
| 01:34.56 | mezmiro | Now, if I could burn an iso on my desktop (which has Debian on it) that would be nice. I haven't tested that yet though.. |
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| 01:35.40 | mezmiro | Does Debian come stock with ISO burning utilities? |
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| 01:37.23 | earthian | hello, how would i enable SSL on a host in apache or so? |
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| 01:39.27 | Draconicus | Hey there. I've noticed that videos that I was able to watch with the win32codecs in Ubuntu or Gentoo don't work with the Win32Codecs I installed here. Can anyone tell me why? |
| 01:39.34 | bzed | !tell mezmiro abour serach |
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| 01:39.48 | bzed | !tell mezmiro about serach |
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| 01:39.57 | Teratogen | anyone here runnind debian on an alpha? |
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| 01:40.02 | Teratogen | errr |
| 01:40.09 | Teratogen | anyone here running debian on an alpha? |
| 01:40.16 | rfrank | is there a dpkg cmd for setting up samba shares? |
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| 01:40.42 | bzed | mezmiro: have a look at wodim and probably k3b as frontend, or one of those 1000 other tools |
| 01:40.52 | bzed | !tell mezmiro about search |
| 01:41.48 | Teratogen | I have an older alpha that I think if I install debian on it I could make it a useful workstation |
| 01:41.55 | Teratogen | put a nicer pci card in it |
| 01:42.00 | Teratogen | get a good resolution in X |
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| 01:42.03 | Teratogen | but I am wondering |
| 01:42.08 | Teratogen | is KDE ported to alpha? |
| 01:42.36 | Teratogen | and in general, how do I know which debian packages are ported to alpha? |
| 01:42.44 | Coweater | packages.debian.org |
| 01:42.45 | neekofab | Teratogen search packages.debian.org for your arch and desired packages |
| 01:43.12 | rahul | it's a leontopod |
| 01:43.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hello I enabled aiglx adding some lines to xorg.conf and running at startup compiz --replace gconf, now how can I go back to metacity? |
| 01:43.25 | Teratogen | oh yeah |
| 01:43.28 | Teratogen | hi rahul |
| 01:43.32 | rahul | :) |
| 01:43.37 | Teratogen | neekofab thanks |
| 01:43.49 | rahul | kde should be ported to alpha |
| 01:44.05 | neekofab | Teratogen np. I've run it on sparc before. it was acceptable. |
| 01:44.09 | rahul | after all, they were working on kde on m68k a while ago |
| 01:44.11 | sparr | is there a way to make the contents of one fake directory reflect the contents of multiple other directories without mount voodoo? |
| 01:44.20 | rahul | the C++ compiler kept running out of memory |
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| 01:45.01 | dim | hi |
| 01:45.20 | Teratogen | what if it says architecture "all" ? |
| 01:45.24 | Teratogen | what does that mean? |
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| 01:45.32 | dim | is it possible to use debuild to produce only one of several target packages from a given source package ? |
| 01:45.35 | Teratogen | I want to get X/KDE running on this alpha |
| 01:45.39 | rahul | it means it's compiled for all archs by the autobuilders |
| 01:45.45 | Teratogen | oh |
| 01:45.47 | Teratogen | hmm |
| 01:46.08 | Teratogen | so it might work on an alpha |
| 01:46.09 | Coweater | it's a meta-package or architecture independent |
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| 01:46.21 | Coweater | kwin has a alpha package though, i'd assume the rest do as well |
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| 01:46.28 | Ramendik | hello again |
| 01:46.28 | Teratogen | geez I wonder how big the disk drive is in this alpha |
| 01:46.34 | Teratogen | it's probably a 2 gig scsi |
| 01:46.36 | Ramendik | I have installed the nvidia drivers as per wiki |
| 01:46.46 | Ramendik | but now any 3d program including glxgears segfaults immediately |
| 01:46.49 | Ramendik | how can I fix this? |
| 01:47.20 | Ramendik | the module loads all right, X starts all right, but anything opengl - crash! |
| 01:48.11 | xjkx | karrotx_, i tried setserial -a device and it told me some informations about the device, but still it doesnt tell me if its in use and/or by who |
| 01:48.30 | karrotx_ | xjkx: hey remember that time you learned how to tab complete |
| 01:48.54 | xjkx | (?) |
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| 01:49.18 | karsten | xjkx: I think karrotx_ is trying to tell you he's not me. |
| 01:49.18 | karrotx_ | xjkx: i'm not talking to you, most likely karsten is |
| 01:49.30 | xjkx | lol |
| 01:49.47 | karsten | karrotx_: Suffer! |
| 01:49.48 | xjkx | even so close looks the same |
| 01:50.09 | xjkx | cyber-brothers |
| 01:50.16 | karrotx_ | karsten looks nothing like karrotx |
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| 01:50.26 | karsten | karrotx_: Truth. |
| 01:50.28 | karrotx_ | unless of course you are mentally challenged |
| 01:50.36 | karsten | karrotx_: I'm tall, dark, suave, and handsome |
| 01:50.58 | karrotx_ | karsten: ok |
| 01:51.29 | xjkx | karrotx_, it's relative |
| 01:51.30 | Ramendik | Installed nvidia driver - now any 3d program including glxgears segfaults immediately |
| 01:51.31 | xjkx | ;) |
| 01:51.41 | karsten | Ramendik: Feature! |
| 01:51.59 | dustybin | does anybody know why gnome remote desktop doesnt connect when i tunnel through ssh? |
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| 01:52.06 | Azar | Ramendik: define "installed nvidia driver" |
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| 01:52.26 | Azar | Ramendik: ah...n/m I seee |
| 01:52.32 | predder | earthian, check out the apache-ssl debian package |
| 01:52.49 | Azar | Ramendik: installed nvidia driver from the nvidia site, right? |
| 01:52.52 | Ramendik | no |
| 01:52.54 | Ramendik | by wiki |
| 01:53.01 | bzed | which one? |
| 01:53.04 | Ramendik | m-a , nvidia-glx |
| 01:53.04 | earthian | predder, its for apache1.3 and i am using apache2.2 |
| 01:53.10 | Ramendik | which wiki> |
| 01:53.19 | bzed | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:53.19 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:53.23 | Ramendik | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:53.26 | bzed | Ramendik: ^^ this way? |
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| 01:53.55 | Azar | and now you are in the emergency room .. |
| 01:54.02 | Ramendik | did it all except update-pciids and except dpkg-reconfigure. I manage my xorg.conf manually, so dpkg-reconfigure was not needed |
| 01:54.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hi, how can I disable aiglx safetely? |
| 01:54.21 | Ramendik | and did not install nvidia-settings |
| 01:54.28 | Azar | Ramendik: sorry but that why it crashes on you |
| 01:54.37 | Ramendik | but went exactly by http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:54.39 | Ramendik | that - what? |
| 01:54.43 | Azar | if you manage your xorg manually... |
| 01:54.58 | Ramendik | I do because I have nontrivial keyboard settings |
| 01:55.06 | Ramendik | but I double-checked all things in the wiki |
| 01:55.13 | Ramendik | glx present, dri and glcore not present |
| 01:55.42 | Azar | Ramendik: I use nvidia driver too but I installed by dpkg, not by wiki and it works |
| 01:55.55 | Ramendik | the wiki uses dpkg |
| 01:56.03 | bzed | Ramendik: which card do you ahve? |
| 01:56.09 | Ramendik | and the driver does not fail completely - X works ok, but anything opengl fails |
| 01:56.10 | Azar | Ramendik: I ment "this" dpkg who sits in this channel |
| 01:56.14 | predder | earthian --> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=debian+apache2+ssl |
| 01:56.24 | predder | there's a bunch of links there.. |
| 01:56.33 | Ramendik | what card? wait... i don't remember but I'll look in the logs :) |
| 01:56.47 | Ramendik | GF 6200 |
| 01:56.55 | Ramendik | that's the logs and I think they are right |
| 01:57.43 | scv | is GF 6200 a GF 5200 year 2006 version? |
| 01:58.05 | Azar | mine is GF5200 on one of the boxes |
| 01:58.14 | Ramendik | gf 6200 - double checked |
| 01:58.35 | mezmiro | Are there any drawbacks to installing Etch? |
| 01:58.36 | rfrank | how do I change the user that owns a mounted smbfs share? whats the option |
| 01:58.37 | scv | so, you bought the same stuff after 3 years later? |
| 01:58.39 | Ramendik | so what can I do to track the problem? |
| 01:58.48 | scv | hahaha |
| 01:59.00 | Ramendik | I just needed an inexensive AGP card with DVI and with no fan and the shop had this |
| 01:59.08 | Ramendik | I'm not into top notch stuff |
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| 01:59.40 | Ramendik | so how do I track the problem? Or should I give up and proceed to the nvidia installer? |
| 01:59.44 | scv | 7600gs has no fan |
| 01:59.56 | Ramendik | when I was on backported sarge, nvidia installer did the trick just right |
| 02:00.12 | Ramendik | I mean sarge plus backported 2.6.18-2 |
| 02:00.40 | predder | mezmiro, etch is pretty widely used however there's a reason sarge is still the "stable". Basically you should be ok unless it's a production machine |
| 02:00.40 | holycow | Ramendik, maybe wait long enough to get the current nvidia packaged drivers updated and post a bug? |
| 02:00.50 | Ramendik | I bought what was there in the store - I was pressed for time. besides, I was uninterested in productivity. I'd go with a built-in if it only had DVI |
| 02:00.57 | Ramendik | hm, no. |
| 02:01.02 | holycow | Ramendik, also nvidia drivers stopped supporting legacy cards a while back, i dont' know if yours is legacy tho |
| 02:01.05 | scv | 7600gs has no fan and a 7600gs = twice+ performance aganist GF5200 |
| 02:01.19 | Ramendik | will check on nvidia site now |
| 02:01.27 | scv | somebody told me |
| 02:01.40 | simonrvn | holycow: yes and no; |
| 02:01.58 | simonrvn | there's nvidia-gl-xlegacy driver in debian |
| 02:01.59 | Ramendik | hmm |
| 02:02.04 | Ramendik | can't find legacy/nonlegacy list |
| 02:02.05 | simonrvn | er, glx-legacy |
| 02:02.09 | scv | s/aganist/againist |
| 02:02.10 | simonrvn | in non-free |
| 02:02.17 | holycow | simonrvn, oh really? ah damnit forgot to check |
| 02:02.18 | holycow | neato! |
| 02:02.24 | bzed | Ramendik: apt-cache search nvidia legacy |
| 02:02.54 | Ramendik | I don't need the package, I need to check if the chip is legacy |
| 02:03.03 | Ramendik | the answer is no I asume - the "supported product list" has it |
| 02:03.05 | bzed | Ramendik: installing is the same as for the normal nvidia driver, just use legacy where needed. |
| 02:03.10 | rfrank | how do I install mp3 codec |
| 02:03.14 | holycow | simonrvn, indeed, i have a bunch of those in a box. i also run right now a ti4200, for non game stuff i really fail to see the productivity gains |
| 02:03.15 | simonrvn | ii nvidia-glx-legacy 1.0.7184-3 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (legacy version) |
| 02:03.43 | holycow | !mp3 |
| 02:03.44 | dpkg | well, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 02:03.46 | Ramendik | bzed: I'm not at all sure I need legacy |
| 02:03.48 | Ramendik | The card is new |
| 02:03.56 | holycow | ah weird |
| 02:03.58 | Ramendik | No, I am SURE I do NOT need legacy |
| 02:04.14 | holycow | didn't that one company buy an mp3 licence and release the codec support on linux for legal playback? |
| 02:04.16 | Azar | new sucks |
| 02:04.16 | simonrvn | same thing, just no -lgeacy suffix |
| 02:04.17 | rfrank | wow that didnt help me at all |
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| 02:04.17 | bzed | Ramendik: ok, do you ahve libgl1-mesa-glx installed? |
| 02:04.20 | Ramendik | because the non-legacy driver was installed by nvidia-installer just 4 months ago and it worked |
| 02:04.21 | simonrvn | legacy* |
| 02:04.27 | holycow | rfrank, lol indeed |
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| 02:04.46 | Ramendik | bzed, I do |
| 02:04.49 | Azar | nvidia-installer sucks too |
| 02:04.50 | scv | my 7600gs + nivia's driver is ok |
| 02:04.57 | holycow | Ramendik, ah what is the problem again |
| 02:04.58 | holycow | ? |
| 02:04.59 | simonrvn | different version too, upstream has newer versions often |
| 02:05.09 | simonrvn | for the new(er) cards |
| 02:05.10 | Ramendik | any 3d program including glxgears segfaults on start |
| 02:05.26 | holycow | Ramendik, you know what, i ran into an obscuver nvidia driver issue once, and the fix was to blacklist another video driver that was loading it self before nvidia got loaded up ... |
| 02:05.27 | Ramendik | but 2d works all right except that I don't notice a splash screen |
| 02:05.32 | holycow | i forget the name |
| 02:05.33 | Ramendik | hmm |
| 02:05.45 | Ramendik | loads where? in X or in kernel? |
| 02:05.46 | holycow | maybe thats a googleable tangent for ya, don't know sounds odd |
| 02:05.57 | simonrvn | Ramendik: just need the x driver, kernel module, and configure x for it, all found in non-free |
| 02:06.01 | holycow | kernel ... so doesn't sound like the same issue actually |
| 02:06.17 | Ramendik | Did it all |
| 02:06.19 | Ramendik | waaait |
| 02:06.19 | holycow | Ramendik, did you change the 'nv' to 'nvidia' in your xorg.conf file? |
| 02:06.21 | scv | you can get about 7000+ fps on glxgears |
| 02:06.34 | simonrvn | nv is the free driver, which supports 2d but not 3d |
| 02:06.35 | Ramendik | the bug is listed as fixed in new versin on nvidia site |
| 02:06.45 | Ramendik | Fixed an OpenGL crash on some GeForce 3 and GeForce 4 GPUs |
| 02:06.47 | Ramendik | may be it? |
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| 02:07.00 | holycow | yey! yeah wait for the newly packaged drivers to drop in maybe |
| 02:07.09 | Ramendik | nope |
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| 02:07.12 | simonrvn | no, i'm betting it's segfauting because the glxinfo isn't finding any glx info in the server |
| 02:07.16 | Ramendik | I'll go the nvidia-installer way |
| 02:07.19 | simonrvn | glxgears* |
| 02:07.35 | Ramendik | glxinfo sefaults too |
| 02:07.36 | bzed | Ramendik: NO! |
| 02:07.37 | wols | Ramendik: 6200 is not a gf4 |
| 02:07.48 | scv | what's your fps of glxgears? |
| 02:07.51 | Ramendik | none |
| 02:07.53 | Ramendik | segfault! |
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| 02:07.55 | bzed | Ramendik: that'll break your system after the next upgrade |
| 02:07.56 | Azar | Ramendik: if you go with nvidia-installer go ask help from them when it crashes |
| 02:07.56 | simonrvn | it would if it didn't find it |
| 02:07.57 | scv | .. |
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| 02:08.15 | Ramendik | all gl programs crash |
| 02:08.17 | bzed | Ramendik: if you want to try the latest drivers, use this: http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental |
| 02:08.35 | Azar | just keep in mind: you have been told here not to use nvidia-installer, don't come back and cry if you don't agree |
| 02:08.42 | bzed | Ramendik: but before you do that, stop X, modprobe -r nvidia, modprobe nvidia and start X again |
| 02:08.44 | mezmiro | Does the Debian download site accept download accelerators? |
| 02:08.52 | wols | simonrvn: what kind of info? missing glx lib? |
| 02:08.58 | Ramendik | bzed: I will, although can't see a diff froma reboot and did that already |
| 02:08.59 | simonrvn | and make sure 'nvidia' is the selected driver |
| 02:09.04 | Ramendik | Installed nvidia-settigns now |
| 02:09.06 | simonrvn | no, glx not loading |
| 02:09.20 | bzed | Ramendik: and you ahve the glx package installed, too? |
| 02:09.38 | simonrvn | if it didn't SEGV, it would say something like "cannot find any OpenGL extensions" |
| 02:09.39 | wols | and X loads the gl extension? |
| 02:09.40 | Ramendik | I do |
| 02:09.49 | Ramendik | nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 |
| 02:09.51 | wols | Ramendik: check your X server logs for that |
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| 02:10.02 | Ramendik | for what? |
| 02:10.06 | simonrvn | you sill *need to configure X for it* |
| 02:10.08 | wols | for glx of course |
| 02:10.09 | simonrvn | still* |
| 02:10.14 | bzed | Ramendik: paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:10.17 | Ramendik | so what is not configured? |
| 02:10.20 | Ramendik | ok I will |
| 02:10.22 | Ramendik | !paste |
| 02:10.23 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 02:10.28 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 02:11.08 | wols | the lgx library is probably not loaded by X |
| 02:11.08 | wols | *glx |
| 02:11.10 | scv | Ramendik: maybe you need an older driver |
| 02:11.19 | simonrvn | yes, that's what i said |
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| 02:11.46 | bzed | no, the card should be still supported by normal drivers, no legacy needed |
| 02:11.58 | scv | Ramendik: I have a bunch of old nvidia drivers |
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| 02:12.20 | simonrvn | he doesn't need the legacy stuff, if he's correct |
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| 02:12.28 | bzed | scv: as .deb? |
| 02:12.31 | jake_ | Hello; can anyone tell me the url to find the md5sums for the Debian netinst? |
| 02:12.32 | simonrvn | i'm outt thi now. bye |
| 02:12.46 | Ramendik | http://channels.debian.net/paste2/5723 |
| 02:12.48 | scv | bzed: no, from nvidia |
| 02:12.48 | bzed | jake_: normally on the download page |
| 02:12.57 | bzed | !tell scv about nvidia installer |
| 02:13.05 | jake_ | not there! |
| 02:13.15 | Ramendik | !tell Ramendik about nvidia-installer |
| 02:13.31 | bzed | !tell Ramendik about selftell |
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| 02:13.44 | scv | hahaha |
| 02:13.57 | Ramendik | so I have pasted that file |
| 02:14.02 | bzed | jake_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ I find a MD5SUMS file in all directories |
| 02:14.21 | jake_ | THX! |
| 02:14.26 | Ramendik | so what can I do now? |
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| 02:15.08 | bzed | Ramendik: http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental i wrote that down some minutes ago |
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| 02:15.44 | Ramendik | bzed: yes! |
| 02:15.54 | Ramendik | oops sorry |
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| 02:16.00 | jake_ | bzed - Sorry, I wanted the one for Sarge. |
| 02:16.12 | bzed | jake_: just install etch :P |
| 02:16.22 | jake_ | OK |
| 02:16.27 | bzed | jake_: as far as I remember did the official download place have md5sums, too |
| 02:16.30 | jake_ | THX |
| 02:16.43 | bzed | jake_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:16.56 | Ramendik | bzed: so the driver in experimental is more up to date? |
| 02:17.03 | jake_ | THX! |
| 02:17.14 | bzed | Ramendik: they work for me very well, although they're from experimental. YMMV. it's the latest series from nvidia |
| 02:17.34 | bzed | Ramendik: *whisper* freaky things like compiz and beryl will work with it ;) |
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| 02:18.00 | Azar | OSS4 is out |
| 02:18.09 | bzed | Ramendik: you wanna read my warning, though ;) |
| 02:18.17 | bzed | Azar: they're still developing on oss? |
| 02:18.31 | Ramendik | ok |
| 02:18.48 | Ramendik | I now made an xorg.conf by dpkg-reconfigure while backing up my old one - will read and compare |
| 02:18.54 | Ramendik | then if this fails, will try experimental :) |
| 02:18.56 | Azar | http://linuxpr.com/releases/9514.html |
| 02:18.57 | bzed | Ramendik: if they don't work, using nv as driver si the first way back to xord |
| 02:18.58 | JoshJ | hm... i'm suffering from a pretty bad memory leak, but nothing's showing up as using a bunch of memory :\ |
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| 02:19.05 | Azar | yep, it sounds nice huh? |
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| 02:19.21 | bzed | JoshH: how do you think so? |
| 02:19.27 | JoshJ | gnome-system-monitor shows user memory 907.8 MiB of 1011.3 MiB , all I'm running is Xchat and GAIM |
| 02:19.32 | JoshJ | firefox was using like 100 but I closed it |
| 02:19.46 | JoshJ | nothing else is showing more than the 13.8 MiB that GAIM is using |
| 02:19.51 | bzed | JoshH: paste the output of free into a pastebin please |
| 02:20.01 | JoshJ | er... i'd really rather not open firefox |
| 02:20.02 | bzed | (plus the 200M gnome needs pon its own) |
| 02:20.08 | bzed | lol jstu do it |
| 02:20.11 | bzed | you have swap |
| 02:20.20 | JoshJ | it's up to 921 MiB now |
| 02:20.23 | JoshJ | but meh |
| 02:20.25 | Azar | yea I was thinking of his swap too |
| 02:20.45 | Azar | JoshJ: how big is your swap partition, and how much ram you have? |
| 02:20.47 | JoshJ | eh, it did it earlier today |
| 02:20.50 | JoshJ | and it hung |
| 02:20.56 | Ramendik | ok, my xorg.conf loaded "speedo" and "type1" while the auto one doesn't - would this make a difference, and what are these for anyway? |
| 02:20.59 | Teratogen | X ran out of swap on my netbsd box and it took the keyboard and mouse with it! |
| 02:21.00 | JoshJ | core dumped and shut off (i think) |
| 02:21.15 | Teratogen | I had to cycle the box! |
| 02:21.17 | JoshJ | all i know is it locked up and threw a bunch of stuff on a tty |
| 02:21.28 | Teratogen | silly me, not having an ssh into the box |
| 02:21.29 | Azar | JoshJ: ok we have listened to you now answer |
| 02:21.30 | JoshJ | http://rafb.net/p/jZ0Uwu46.html |
| 02:21.35 | JoshJ | there's free's output |
| 02:21.36 | bzed | Ramendik: not sure, there's a looooooooong readme from nvidia in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel0source |
| 02:21.38 | smacnay | does anyone know how to recover a device that has given a 'lost interrupt' on boot? Seems on the most recent boot, the device didn't come on. |
| 02:21.48 | Azar | JoshJ: can you answer the question? |
| 02:21.55 | Ramendik | ok, I'll start with the autoconfed one and tweak my keyboard back in |
| 02:21.58 | JoshJ | 1 gig of ram, 3 gigs of swap |
| 02:22.14 | Ramendik | and who mentioned that viideo driver that loaded before nvidia? Was it a kernel modukle I wonder |
| 02:22.14 | JoshJ | only using 67 megs of swap, now at 951 megs of ram |
| 02:22.26 | bzed | JoshJ: ok, your ram is full, indeed. |
| 02:22.33 | bzed | Ramendik: no, nv is not a kernel module |
| 02:22.42 | bzed | Ramendik: nvidia needs the nvidia module loaded |
| 02:22.48 | Ramendik | ok |
| 02:22.55 | Ramendik | nv is not harming me then |
| 02:22.57 | Ramendik | I just thought |
| 02:23.08 | Ramendik | what SHOULD happen to 3D progs if I run nv, not nvidia? |
| 02:23.13 | Ramendik | crash or just veryslow? |
| 02:23.16 | bzed | JoshJ: you can start op in a shell and use < and > to sort it by ram use |
| 02:23.25 | bzed | Ramendik: veryveryslow |
| 02:23.30 | Ramendik | ok then |
| 02:23.33 | Ramendik | I'll try with nv |
| 02:23.40 | Ramendik | and if they crash then it's not the driver :) |
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| 02:23.44 | JoshJ | hm |
| 02:23.52 | JoshJ | it's 3.1% Xorg |
| 02:23.55 | bzed | Ramendik: probably you need to unload the nvidia module for that |
| 02:23.58 | JoshJ | then 2.7% the firefox that I have open |
| 02:24.01 | Azar | bzed: he got lots of ram you should think 3gigs of swap would be enough? |
| 02:24.07 | Ramendik | bzed: will do off clean boot |
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| 02:25.31 | Azar | awww the crock ate his ram |
| 02:25.35 | bzed | Azar: yeah, at least they work for me, and I'm running mysql, apache, eclipse, icewaesel/icedove, amarok, gimp, gaim, opera and some more stuff |
| 02:25.43 | Ramendik | ok |
| 02:25.59 | bzed | Azar: I usually have about .5G in swap and the rest in memory |
| 02:26.01 | Ramendik | added lotsa stuff to try - will go try |
| 02:26.06 | bzed | good luck |
| 02:26.11 | Azar | wow mannnn |
| 02:26.12 | Ramendik | bye for now! If I disappear then somethign has succeeded :) |
| 02:26.32 | Ramendik | wait |
| 02:26.35 | mfrisch | I have a built source dir of a kernel how would I make a initrd.img in that dir? |
| 02:26.38 | Ramendik | someone mentioned a readme from nvidia? |
| 02:26.44 | Ramendik | where is this readme? |
| 02:26.46 | Ramendik | I wanna read it# |
| 02:26.55 | mfrisch | !nvidia oneliner |
| 02:26.56 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 02:27.00 | Azar | Ramendik: ok but it does not apply to Debian |
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| 02:27.12 | Ramendik | but where can I find it? |
| 02:27.22 | JoshJ | well, big surprise, it hung and i had to shut it down manually |
| 02:27.27 | Azar | Ramendik: try /usr/share/doc directory |
| 02:27.47 | Azar | JoshJ: it might be something from outside your box |
| 02:27.51 | bzed | Ramendik: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.txt.gz |
| 02:27.54 | JoshJ | i'm now running the same set of programs and am at 116.8 MiB :\ |
| 02:28.16 | bzed | JoshJ: sort your top by VIRT and paste as much as possible into a pastebin |
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| 02:28.53 | JoshJ | http://rafb.net/p/MzoQI650.html |
| 02:29.05 | Ramendik | thx |
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| 02:29.59 | juice` | any idea how to test fuse in debian ? |
| 02:30.13 | xixor | so, I am curious, if I use rsync -a to sync two directories, does it only copy files over if they don't already exist? Or does it copy all the files regardless if they are already in the destination or not? |
| 02:30.32 | bzed | xixor: man rsync |
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| 02:30.35 | dav__ | elo |
| 02:30.37 | bzed | xixor: depends on the params |
| 02:30.47 | Azar | JoshJ: I do not see nothing unusual there |
| 02:30.56 | Azar | I mean big memory leak |
| 02:30.56 | JoshJ | yeah, that's probably because I just rebooted :\ |
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| 02:31.02 | dav__ | i have a strange mistake i m in Africa and i tried to configure a NAT with a Linksys router that don't want to do anything else than Bridging!!!! |
| 02:31.04 | mfrisch | juice` if your in the fuse group. it will work, you will be able to create filesystems |
| 02:31.05 | xDCDx | what's the difference between /etc/groups and /etc/groups- ? the latter seems to be unused by adduser and addgroup, and only root readable, what's its use? |
| 02:31.08 | Azar | JoshJ: try install htop is nicer top |
| 02:31.09 | bzed | JoshJ: ok, i totally do NOT understand your memory problem. is your box accessible from the internet? |
| 02:31.53 | dav__ | cld someone give me a little help |
| 02:31.53 | JoshJ | uh, depends on what you mean by that |
| 02:31.53 | Ramendik | question |
| 02:31.53 | JoshJ | i don't have ssh or anything like that turned on |
| 02:31.53 | bzed | dav__: you wanto to configure the linksys router? |
| 02:31.53 | Azar | JoshJ: sshd is running on your box |
| 02:31.54 | juice` | mfrisch: any idea how to test it? |
| 02:31.54 | JoshJ | oh, hm |
| 02:31.57 | Ramendik | I want to run rxvt as the default terminal emulator but also with a parameter: -sl 3000 |
| 02:32.01 | JoshJ | wtf is ssh on by default for? |
| 02:32.02 | Ramendik | how do I do this? |
| 02:32.03 | juice` | mfrisch: i want to be sure... |
| 02:32.25 | mfrisch | juice` what were you going to do man! did you just install it because it sounds kool |
| 02:32.34 | Ramendik | Found it in the log!!! |
| 02:32.36 | Azar | JoshJ: dunno but you could 1. remove ssh, 2. change its port to a public one (unused) |
| 02:32.38 | Ramendik | glx fails to load |
| 02:32.52 | Ramendik | dlopen: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv000040gl |
| 02:32.56 | bzed | JoshJ: uhm... somehow I think you want to install chkrootkit and let it run, probably also use lsof -i and search if there're any weird programs running |
| 02:33.02 | Ramendik | that's the reaspn gor the opelgl problem |
| 02:33.06 | JoshJ | <JoshJ> i'm now running the same set of programs and am at 116.8 MiB :\ <-- it's now 136.8 |
| 02:33.06 | mfrisch | juice` like maybe another program wants to use it? |
| 02:33.12 | Ramendik | now I wonder how can I fix this |
| 02:33.12 | JoshJ | so yeah |
| 02:33.15 | JoshJ | there's a steady increase |
| 02:33.19 | dav__ | bzed, at first understand why by default it has made some bridging (with public adresses)!!! why i have a strange route table etc... |
| 02:33.19 | dav__ | bzed, can u give me a little help |
| 02:33.20 | bzed | JoshJ: and serch for weird programs in general by using lsof |
| 02:33.23 | JoshJ | the box had been on for like 6 hours or so... |
| 02:33.36 | dav__ | bzed, did u receive last messages |
| 02:33.37 | bzed | dav__: answer my question please |
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| 02:34.07 | dav__ | bzed, yes i want to reconfigure it but no way to access any interface |
| 02:34.16 | Azar | JoshJ: take a look at your /var/log/auth.log see if is flooded with attempts to guess your pass |
| 02:34.26 | bzed | dav__: are you running openwrt on the box? |
| 02:34.31 | bzed | Azar: good idea |
| 02:34.33 | dav__ | bzed, what s that ? |
| 02:34.36 | juice` | mfrisch: yes, but i can't do it right now, i don't have everything connected |
| 02:34.53 | juice` | mfrisch: so i wanted just to try some simple example |
| 02:35.00 | dav__ | traceroute to www.l.google.com (209.85.135.147), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 02:35.00 | dav__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.00 | dav__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.04 | dav__ | is it normal ? |
| 02:35.08 | bzed | dav__: what are you running, on which system, which operating system, and what do you want to do? |
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| 02:35.16 | DawnLight | helllllooo |
| 02:35.30 | JoshJ | hm |
| 02:35.33 | bzed | !tell dav__ about esp |
| 02:35.35 | dav__ | bzed, $ arp -a |
| 02:35.35 | dav__ | gate.afnet.net (213.136.116.254) at 00:02:16:AB:4F:F0 [ether] on ath0 |
| 02:35.40 | JoshJ | what am i looking for? i've never messed with this log before |
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| 02:35.45 | DawnLight | beutiful thing it is - linux |
| 02:35.46 | JoshJ | Mar 12 08:35:55 r38h107 firefox-bin: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "www.pierceive.com.nyud.net IN A", got type "39" <-- this looks odd |
| 02:35.51 | Ramendik | Googled for the error. Reported in ubuntu, peoople fix it by going over to nvidia-installer |
| 02:35.55 | mfrisch | dav__ is your wifi |
| 02:36.06 | dav__ | bzed, strange that thje host called gate is MY router |
| 02:36.13 | Azar | JoshJ: you look to see people trying to guess your password using a dictionary attack |
| 02:36.13 | bzed | Ramendik: don;t do that :\ it'll break your system with the next packet upgrade |
| 02:36.20 | DawnLight | i installed the nvidia legacy a few times |
| 02:36.24 | JoshJ | yeah, i don't see anything like that today |
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| 02:36.30 | bzed | Ramendik: use the packages form experimental |
| 02:36.31 | JoshJ | i see some cronjobs opening and closing as root |
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| 02:36.37 | JoshJ | and some su's that i've done |
| 02:36.38 | Ramendik | bzed: I know but what do I do about this? |
| 02:36.42 | dav__ | bzed, and why that net 192.168.1.0 which i can't see mac adress ( hat mean it s not on my lan!!!) |
| 02:36.53 | Ramendik | this is not a kernel module problem but a glx module problem in X |
| 02:36.56 | JoshJ | so yeah it's not that :\ |
| 02:36.58 | Ramendik | undefined symbol |
| 02:37.04 | bzed | Ramendik: there's a recent version in experimental |
| 02:37.08 | JoshJ | and i've now managed to creep up another 10 MiB... |
| 02:37.09 | dav__ | bzed, i tried to scan the .254 host but doesn't find any telnet or web interface |
| 02:37.17 | Ramendik | I know what I will do |
| 02:37.18 | bzed | Ramendik: there's always a new glx module with a new kernel module verison |
| 02:37.22 | JoshJ | i feel like i'm in a really bad video game with a countdown timer |
| 02:37.23 | Azar | JoshJ: see if older logs contain attempts.... |
| 02:37.27 | dav__ | bzed, same thing for 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:37.29 | Ramendik | I will report this as a bug against nvidia-glx in debian |
| 02:37.35 | DawnLight | my pet ants say hello |
| 02:37.38 | bzed | dav__: AGAIN: PLEASE ask my qeustions and stop spamming the channel |
| 02:37.41 | JoshJ | "you must find the hacker before time expires and your system memory overflows!" |
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| 02:37.47 | Azar | JoshJ: like /var/log/auth.log1 |
| 02:37.52 | bzed | dav__: *answer |
| 02:38.21 | mfrisch | DawnLight your strange... |
| 02:38.50 | JoshJ | well, considering that i've only had etch since late february, there aren't many old logsa |
| 02:38.50 | JoshJ | *logs |
| 02:38.52 | JoshJ | and yeah, nothing that makes it look like i've been attacked |
| 02:38.56 | bzed | JoshJ: what says mount | grep tmpfs ? |
| 02:38.59 | DawnLight | anyway, i've got this issue here, uname -r tells me 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 02:39.12 | JoshJ | tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) |
| 02:39.12 | JoshJ | udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 02:39.12 | JoshJ | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
| 02:39.36 | DawnLight | and i can't find the kernel source for that! |
| 02:39.38 | JoshJ | i HAVE seen udevd show up multile times in output from ps -e before, but it's not even there now |
| 02:39.40 | DawnLight | or of that |
| 02:39.45 | dav__ | bzed, i want to do NAT instead of bridging and find the interface to configure that bloody router |
| 02:39.46 | bzed | JoshJ: anyone of those directories filles with tons of stuff? |
| 02:39.47 | dav__ | loosing my connection all time |
| 02:39.57 | mfrisch | DawnLight you want 2.6.18 |
| 02:40.01 | JoshJ | well, /dev is (obviously) |
| 02:40.10 | JoshJ | the others are empty with ls |
| 02:40.12 | dav__ | bzed, plz ask again i ve probably been disconnected when you ask that why i m not repsonding |
| 02:40.27 | JoshJ | well, sorry |
| 02:40.34 | JoshJ | there is a .ramfs in /lib/init/rw |
| 02:40.37 | DawnLight | i can't even see 2.6.18 on the aptitude... how do i have it? |
| 02:40.59 | bzed | dav__: so again, that's not an answer to my question. this is #debian, and NOT #howtofixmyrouter. and you were NOT disconnected why I've asked you, since you were babbling in here at the same time. |
| 02:41.28 | mfrisch | DawnLight its there...it doesn't install it untill you tell it |
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| 02:41.40 | dav__ | bzed, pffff i have answered it is just a general question on router and networking |
| 02:41.56 | dav__ | bzed, but if you are not competent to answer just say it . |
| 02:42.07 | JoshJ | anyway i suspect something's memory leaking and just don't know what.. once i isolate it i'll try to get it narrowed down enough to get a bug report |
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| 02:42.22 | DawnLight | i even do a search and no... |
| 02:42.40 | Azar | JoshJ: lets try this: change your ssh port number to a 8955-8988 port number |
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| 02:43.01 | Azar | if the shit continues, there is something else than an outsider |
| 02:43.08 | mfrisch | DawnLight linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 02:43.18 | DawnLight | oh here it is... |
| 02:43.18 | JoshJ | well, first off i have no idea how to do that with ssh as i've never touched it |
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| 02:43.36 | Azar | bzed to the rescue: I forgot how to change a port man |
| 02:43.39 | DawnLight | well then i guess me and my ants just wanted to say h |
| 02:43.40 | DawnLight | hi |
| 02:43.44 | JoshJ | apt-get remove ssh a good idea or no? |
| 02:43.49 | bzed | JoshJ: open /etc/ssh/sshd_config in an editor |
| 02:44.03 | bzed | JoshJ: if you don;t need it, apt-get remove openssh-server |
| 02:44.05 | DawnLight | well see ya and thanks |
| 02:44.07 | JoshJ | it's blank |
| 02:44.13 | JoshJ | so yeah i'll just remove it |
| 02:44.21 | JoshJ | er hm |
| 02:44.23 | JoshJ | Package openssh-server is not installed, so not removed |
| 02:44.27 | bzed | heh |
| 02:44.27 | mfrisch | does he name his ants? |
| 02:44.36 | bzed | JoshJ: well then... |
| 02:44.45 | JoshJ | # ps -e | grep ssh |
| 02:44.45 | JoshJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.46 | bzed | JoshJ: something is eating your memory today :D |
| 02:44.51 | JoshJ | heh. |
| 02:45.05 | bzed | JoshJ: that''s just a little helper for you, takes care of yor identities |
| 02:45.08 | Azar | JoshJ: you need first to stop sshd, then remove ssh |
| 02:45.17 | JoshJ | Azar, it's not even installed... |
| 02:45.22 | JoshJ | like i thought, it's not in by default |
| 02:45.23 | phaedral | etch install on my laptop fine...if only standard; when tried standard + desktop + laptop couldn't get virtual consoles |
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| 02:45.39 | TuxMeister | hey guys |
| 02:45.41 | Ramendik | bug filed... |
| 02:45.45 | TuxMeister | anybody could help me with lirc? |
| 02:45.47 | phaedral | am thinking next try standard + destop, or standard + laptop |
| 02:45.52 | Ramendik | and now for a reboot and then, experimental. |
| 02:46.11 | phaedral | would appreciate a clue or suggestion... |
| 02:46.15 | Ramendik | bye for now :) |
| 02:46.16 | mfrisch | phaedral you doing ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 02:46.33 | JoshJ | there a good way to see which processes are increasing memory usage over time? |
| 02:46.35 | Azar | JoshJ: then some of your programs, think what you are using: X, X applications, desktop, gadgets, firefox with dubious extensions |
| 02:46.35 | phaedral | didn't work |
| 02:46.46 | phaedral | that machine is now no X standard install only |
| 02:46.49 | JoshJ | Azar, like i said before i rebooted |
| 02:46.55 | phaedral | it's what I'm writing on |
| 02:47.04 | JoshJ | firefox (iceweasel) had like 100 MiB of RAM being used |
| 02:47.06 | Azar | install htop if that makes you see better |
| 02:47.16 | JoshJ | but that doesn't account for me going from ~110 to ~900 |
| 02:47.17 | Kevin` | !find bin/glxinfo |
| 02:47.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxinfo' (1): (/usr/bin/glxinfo) in x11/mesa-utils. |
| 02:47.41 | mfrisch | phaedral maybe a function key on your laptop is pushed (I got one for a different keyboard layout) |
| 02:47.49 | JoshJ | as for the rest i'm mainly just using a fairly standard debian etch (testing) setup |
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| 02:48.09 | phaedral | mfrisch: don't think so; virt consoles work fine now in standard install |
| 02:48.11 | phaedral | :) |
| 02:48.30 | phaedral | guess it's trial-and-error time |
| 02:48.30 | JoshJ | well, THIS is interesting |
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| 02:48.36 | mfrisch | phaedral and all you added was X so it should still work ;-) |
| 02:48.38 | JoshJ | htop shows iceweasel multiple times |
| 02:49.05 | phaedral | mfrisch: that's what I get for attempting projects that are over my head |
| 02:49.11 | TuxMeister | anybody could help me with lirc? please |
| 02:49.25 | Azar | JoshJ: so check your stuff, my openbox can have hidden instances of my irssi and firefox, sometimes I forget about them |
| 02:49.31 | JoshJ | /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a firefox is the exact process running 7 times |
| 02:49.41 | mfrisch | phaedral you have a graphical display correct? |
| 02:49.46 | Azar | then is a firefox stuff |
| 02:49.46 | JoshJ | of course ps -e only shows one |
| 02:50.02 | phaedral | mfrisch: no, I did a fresh install, have only standard packages, no X |
| 02:50.12 | karsten | JoshJ: 'ps waux | grep [f]iref |
| 02:50.21 | mfrisch | JoshJ stop tripping and use konqueror |
| 02:50.40 | JoshJ | karsten, joshua 3684 1.5 4.7 170888 49280 ? Sl 22:27 0:21 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a firefox |
| 02:50.43 | phaedral | now that I know this much works thought I'd start fresh with standard + desktop...unless standard + laptop is advised by a kindly #debian guru |
| 02:50.45 | mfrisch | phaedral I am confused..whats not working? |
| 02:50.57 | karsten | JoshJ: ... What's with the seven times then? |
| 02:51.02 | JoshJ | karsten, that's what htop says |
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| 02:51.13 | karsten | JoshJ: Um. Seven *sessions*? |
| 02:51.16 | phaedral | Monday I did an etch install and selected "Desktop" and "Laptop" and "Standard" |
| 02:51.25 | karsten | JoshJ: ... as in TCP sessions? |
| 02:51.26 | bzed | JoshJ: paste the output of ps -AFl in a pastebin please? |
| 02:51.28 | phaedral | at that time all I got was a blank screen and no virtual consoles |
| 02:51.28 | mfrisch | phaedral those are just guidelines on what can be installed |
| 02:51.44 | phaedral | currently am loving life in a non-X install |
| 02:51.55 | JoshJ | phaedral, fyi firefox is only in there once (well, twice including the grep line) |
| 02:51.57 | JoshJ | do you still want it? |
| 02:52.21 | karsten | JoshJ: OK, htop isn't network, nevermind. Possibly threads but those should show up. What PIDs does htop show, and what does 'ps' or listing /proc have to say about that? |
| 02:52.38 | mfrisch | phaedral I have been living that for the last couple of weeks...would like a friendly kde desktop...since this is a desktop |
| 02:52.45 | phaedral | heh |
| 02:52.56 | bzed | JoshJ: a full processlist (probably done as root, and the output of lsof (run it as root) would be more interesting) |
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| 02:53.09 | phaedral | ultimately I need this box to run k3b, but that's gonna be a while... |
| 02:53.22 | JoshJ | htop shows PIDs: 3684 3685 3686 3694 3695 3717 3718 as the PIDs for firefox |
| 02:53.29 | bzed | O_O |
| 02:53.32 | JoshJ | ps -e only shows 3684 |
| 02:53.37 | phaedral | will probably start fresh tomorrow |
| 02:54.00 | karsten | JoshJ: cat /proc/{3684,3685,3686,3695,3717,3718}/cmdline |
| 02:54.04 | phaedral | and look into what the various install pre-package selections actually include |
| 02:54.11 | Alam_Debian | how do I cut a piece of a file(if=foo) and copy the content into another file(of=bar) with dd? like the fist 256K of "if" into 1st half of a 512K "of"? |
| 02:54.26 | JoshJ | karsten, /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin-afirefox/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin-afirefox/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin-afirefox/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin-afirefox/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin-afirefox/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin-afirefoxjoshua |
| 02:54.29 | karsten | JoshJ: Try 'ps -eLf' |
| 02:54.40 | JoshJ | ..and ps -eLf does it |
| 02:54.44 | JoshJ | they're all there |
| 02:54.46 | karsten | JoshJ: Pipe that through: 'tr -s '\000' '\n' |
| 02:54.48 | JoshJ | except... |
| 02:54.53 | karsten | JoshJ: They're threads then. |
| 02:54.54 | JoshJ | they all have the PID 3684 |
| 02:54.58 | mfrisch | phaedral I would just use aptitude after your base install |
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| 02:55.04 | karsten | !threads |
| 02:55.09 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 02:55.14 | JoshJ | so that's not where my memory leak is, in other words |
| 02:55.29 | karsten | JoshJ: Oh, I *never* said that. |
| 02:55.31 | JoshJ | well |
| 02:55.36 | JoshJ | if firefox is leaking, firefox is leaking |
| 02:55.39 | karsten | JoshJ: FF is a fucking memory pig on steroids. |
| 02:55.44 | bzed | JoshJ: paste the output of lsof ? |
| 02:55.58 | JoshJ | bzed, one moment |
| 02:56.13 | bzed | run it as root |
| 02:56.16 | JoshJ | yeah good idea |
| 02:57.03 | mfrisch | JoshJ are you splitting atoms over there what you only have 128mb or something? |
| 02:57.17 | JoshJ | mfrisch, it got up to 900 before |
| 02:57.23 | JoshJ | after i'd guess 6-7 hours |
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| 02:57.37 | JoshJ | so.. |
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| 02:57.53 | mfrisch | JoshJ and? how much was cached? |
| 02:57.55 | JoshJ | http://rafb.net/p/C2484b58.html <-- this is the lsof output anyway |
| 02:58.01 | bzed | mfrisch: nothing :( |
| 02:58.03 | JoshJ | mfrisch, not much but when it hit full it crashed |
| 02:58.27 | Azar | firefox now thinks is a turkey humppphhhhs itself until blows up |
| 02:58.46 | JoshJ | and i was at 900+ MiB used with firefox *closed* last time |
| 02:58.53 | JoshJ | so... can't blame that for all of it |
| 02:59.00 | Azar | I use firefox as is from the day I installed it: no plugins or extensions... |
| 02:59.03 | JoshJ | there was something using up the other 800 or so that it shouldn't have been |
| 02:59.15 | mfrisch | JoshJ you crashed a 1024 mb of ram only running a desktop? |
| 02:59.22 | JoshJ | well, xchat and gaim |
| 02:59.27 | JoshJ | but they were only using like 30 mb total |
| 02:59.42 | JoshJ | something that doen't show up in gnome-system-monitor was using up the rest of it :\ |
| 02:59.49 | JoshJ | i'm trying to find out what that IS |
| 02:59.58 | omarML | guys pls, I am installing a sarge in a PC of 32 RAM in a school, but I can't run the xfree86, I got an error "it has been modyfied by Deban, my version of xfree86 which is 4.3.0.1 is not supported by the xfree86" what can I do please |
| 03:00.11 | karsten | JoshJ: FWIW, I use Konqueror heavily, Firefox for very little (Flash sites). Konq is at 83M RES, 124M virt, FF is 71M and 185M. |
| 03:00.22 | Azar | remove gaim see if things still happen, then reinstall if not and remove firefox... etc etc etc |
| 03:00.26 | karsten | JoshJ: with roughly 10x the usage on Konq, if not more. |
| 03:00.27 | bzed | mfrisch: interesingly his swap is almost unused |
| 03:00.33 | mfrisch | JoshJ discribe crashing. |
| 03:01.02 | JoshJ | well, the first time it did it, it completely locked up, threw me to a console with what looked like a core dump, and then came to a halt |
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| 03:01.08 | Azar | mfrisch: I guess is just freezing and he has to unplug the box ? |
| 03:01.17 | JoshJ | i had to shut it down by holding down the power button rather than letting it shut down "properly" |
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| 03:01.23 | bzed | JoshJ: sounds like a kernel related issue |
| 03:01.23 | mfrisch | bzed well unless I am using all of my cpu I barely touch the stuff either. |
| 03:01.44 | bzed | mfrisch: yeah, but if your ram is full it should swap out to be able to cache |
| 03:01.46 | JoshJ | the time it happened just now it just completely locked up on the desktop and didn't throw me anywhere |
| 03:01.55 | bzed | mfrisch: you';re rearely using all ram at the same time |
| 03:01.59 | JoshJ | and yeah, i only had something stupid like 70 megs in the cache |
| 03:02.02 | mfrisch | bzed if its actually using it. |
| 03:02.03 | bzed | JoshJ: I gues there's something in your kernel running amok |
| 03:02.06 | JoshJ | with 900+ megs in the ram |
| 03:02.18 | JoshJ | bzed, and how would i find and/or fix that? |
| 03:02.34 | bzed | JoshJ: which kernel version are you using? are you using any proprietary drivers? |
| 03:02.54 | JoshJ | no proprietary drivers, 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:03.01 | bzed | JoshJ: is the box connected directly to the internet? |
| 03:03.05 | Azar | JoshJ: what you use for video? what card ? |
| 03:03.08 | JoshJ | ethernet into my college LAN |
| 03:03.35 | JoshJ | "ati" driver |
| 03:03.54 | Azar | the Debian flgrlx or ati installation? |
| 03:04.04 | JoshJ | well, xorg.conf says Driver "ati" |
| 03:04.12 | JoshJ | it's whatever Etch installs by default |
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| 03:04.43 | mfrisch | JoshJ install slay and slay everyone except root |
| 03:04.45 | sktrdie | Hi |
| 03:04.54 | JoshJ | er |
| 03:05.10 | sktrdie | Gnome 2.18 got released yesterday, how long does it take to reach a debian branch? |
| 03:05.14 | JoshJ | and i'm supposed to talk to you how, once i do that? |
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| 03:05.25 | sktrdie | because ubuntu's latest branch has it |
| 03:05.33 | Azar | sktrdie: I would guess with the future testing |
| 03:05.47 | Azar | sktrdie: how long? one year or more |
| 03:05.59 | bzed | mfrisch: http://rafb.net/p/C2484b58.html doesn;t look weird in my eyes |
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| 03:06.10 | sktrdie | Azar: you're talking about stable... |
| 03:06.18 | mfrisch | JoshJ reconnect after maybe there are processes running it will kill all |
| 03:06.27 | sktrdie | I'm talking about the latest branch, in this case "experimental" |
| 03:06.29 | Azar | sktrdie: the stable that will show up in one or two years |
| 03:06.30 | JoshJ | mfrisch, fyi i rebooted something like 20 minutes ago |
| 03:06.34 | Azar | ahhh |
| 03:06.36 | Azar | ok |
| 03:06.53 | mfrisch | JoshJ and its at 900mb? |
| 03:06.54 | bzed | JoshJ: paste cat /proc/meminfo please ? |
| 03:06.57 | sktrdie | the thing is that why does ubuntu have it and not debian? |
| 03:06.57 | JoshJ | mfrisch, not right now |
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| 03:06.59 | JoshJ | it's at 150 |
| 03:07.07 | JoshJ | i don't think slaying everything i'm doing is a solution because whatever's up is either something i use all the time (gaim, xchat, firefox) or something that the system runs all the time |
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| 03:07.39 | JoshJ | http://rafb.net/p/ZbIZoC44.html |
| 03:07.47 | bzed | sktrdie: err wtf? |
| 03:07.55 | mfrisch | joshj how many times did it "crash" |
| 03:08.01 | JoshJ | sktrdie, ubuntu tends to be "up to date" a lot more than debian |
| 03:08.11 | JoshJ | but there's tradeoffs there |
| 03:08.11 | sktrdie | bzed: its the same with many other packages... |
| 03:08.12 | Azar | sktrdie: because we don't want it in debian at this time? |
| 03:08.16 | JoshJ | mfrisch, today and yesterday |
| 03:08.21 | sktrdie | Azar: why not? |
| 03:08.27 | JoshJ | i'm wondering if one of the newer packages that's been released into testing has caused the problem |
| 03:08.31 | bzed | sktrdie: that case is wasy to asnwer: ubuntu packages fast and let's the users find the bugs in the packges, in debian the maintainer tests the packge and does NOT upload it before it works well |
| 03:08.34 | Azar | sktrdie: because the actual gnome works fine ? |
| 03:08.56 | Azar | sktrdie: we don't get quickies |
| 03:08.56 | sktrdie | lol |
| 03:09.01 | sktrdie | gnome 1.1 works fine too |
| 03:09.06 | Azar | yep |
| 03:09.10 | Azar | no reason to cry |
| 03:09.16 | sktrdie | indeed |
| 03:09.21 | sktrdie | for you |
| 03:09.23 | sktrdie | not for me |
| 03:09.23 | bzed | JoshJ: !? what did you do, it says MemFree: 612112 kB now |
| 03:09.26 | Azar | infact, personally I don't use any |
| 03:09.36 | JoshJ | bzed, note that i crashed and rebooted a while back |
| 03:09.37 | Azar | sktrdie: so stay with ubuntu |
| 03:09.40 | ronnyml | hi guys i have problems running xfree86,i already have sarge installed, i got a message tha my xfree86 version is not supported |
| 03:09.49 | JoshJ | coincidentially enough, at exactly the time i left this channel and came back |
| 03:09.53 | John2583 | debian seems to think my root filesystem should be /dev/sda3 but it's actually /dev/sdc3 and I have to manually fix this in menu.1st every time a kernel is updated... why is this? |
| 03:09.54 | mfrisch | JoshJ I was using and a install of mine running testing uses alot of ram, but it rarely crashes and has like 640mb |
| 03:10.42 | Rusty1 | JoshJ: tried htop in a shell? |
| 03:10.51 | Azar | Rusty1: he did |
| 03:10.51 | sktrdie | Azar: I would just because of the packages being latest, I hate ubuntu though and the fact that it has different releases, and I have to update my entire system for each releae |
| 03:10.54 | JoshJ | yes Rusty1 which is what brought me to the whole "wtf i have 7 firefoxes" thing |
| 03:10.56 | Rusty1 | k |
| 03:11.17 | bzed | JoshJ: are you using gaim for irc? |
| 03:11.19 | JoshJ | i suspect i'm not going to be able to find anything until the leak becomes more obvious |
| 03:11.23 | JoshJ | bzed, no, for AIM |
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| 03:11.30 | JoshJ | (and MSN) |
| 03:11.37 | bzed | JoshJ: hmm, because gaim is a memory eater in irc |
| 03:11.39 | JoshJ | which is what those AOL connections in the lsof paste are for |
| 03:11.45 | Azar | sktrdie: you have the choice of 3 versions with Debian, you don't feel good with any because you want the "latest" crap showing up..... go with the distro that satisfy your needs |
| 03:11.49 | JoshJ | gaim's IRC support is *terrible* |
| 03:11.53 | bzed | yes |
| 03:11.57 | bzed | even with the extension |
| 03:12.06 | bzed | JoshJ: btw, the gaim in experimental is times better |
| 03:12.08 | mfrisch | joshj against kopete? |
| 03:12.12 | sktrdie | Azar: its not crap, its called latest software |
| 03:12.23 | bzed | mfrisch: no, nothign can be worse |
| 03:12.32 | JoshJ | i've never used kopete |
| 03:12.37 | JoshJ | i couldn't stand kde back when i used it |
| 03:12.42 | xixor | hey everyone, just trying to get key based ssh authentication working. I have created rsa keys on the server, added the key to authorized keys. On the machine, I can locally authenticate using the keys, i.e ssh -i id_rsa.pub user@localhost, but when I try to use the key authentication remotely, it there something else that needs to be done? |
| 03:12.47 | mfrisch | bzed whats wroung with kopete? |
| 03:12.51 | bzed | sktrdie: and this is debian, aka not crashing and buggy softweare |
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| 03:13.07 | bzed | mfrisch: I don;t like it at all, it drove me crazy whenever I've used it |
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| 03:13.16 | JoshJ | hm... i *may* have used kopete actually |
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| 03:13.21 | bzed | VmallocTotal: 114680 kB << that's weird, too josh |
| 03:13.22 | mfrisch | bzed but it worked |
| 03:13.29 | JoshJ | though iirc i tried konversation for irc and disliked it |
| 03:13.34 | JoshJ | bzed, what's weird about that? |
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| 03:13.42 | John2583 | it worked test0036 |
| 03:13.57 | test0036 | John2583: ? |
| 03:14.27 | John2583 | oh i thought you were testing |
| 03:14.27 | John2583 | haha |
| 03:14.33 | test0036 | John2583: My name is test0036 :) |
| 03:14.51 | bzed | JoshJ: looks pretty small for 1GB ram, but probably I'm just confused |
| 03:15.10 | JoshJ | well, i haven't done any of this shit manually, it's all whatever debian thinks it should be :\ |
| 03:16.57 | JoshJ | meh |
| 03:17.00 | bzed | JoshJ: keep an eye on your ram :) |
| 03:17.06 | JoshJ | bzed, that's the idea |
| 03:17.11 | JoshJ | but can't do it tonight or tomorrow =\ |
| 03:17.22 | JoshJ | got a test tomorrow, then a drive home for spring break and a new car |
| 03:17.40 | mfrisch | JoshJ I still think your tripping...what is it not letting you do |
| 03:17.47 | JoshJ | mfrisch, it's fine right now |
| 03:17.52 | JoshJ | but look at the stuff that i pasted before i crashed |
| 03:18.50 | JoshJ | keep in mind it took something like 8 hours to get from boot to 900+MiB used |
| 03:18.55 | JoshJ | (with firefox closed, at that) |
| 03:19.16 | JoshJ | and it only put ~70 MiB in swap so something clearly screwed up there |
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| 03:19.31 | mfrisch | maybe firefox didn't close cleanly it would leak |
| 03:19.43 | JoshJ | possible, but i suspect there's something else there |
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| 03:20.07 | JoshJ | mainly the fact that firefox was only using approx 100 and it was upwards of 900 that makes me suspect that there's another problem there |
| 03:20.11 | bzed | JoshJ: blaming firefox is always a good idea ;P |
| 03:20.25 | JoshJ | sure, i'll blame firefox for the 30 to 100 |
| 03:20.33 | mfrisch | bzed I told him at the begining to use konqueror |
| 03:20.37 | JoshJ | but the rest of it? nah |
| 03:22.09 | mfrisch | but I would use the full mozilla if I were to go that route |
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| 03:22.28 | JoshJ | and you think firefox is a memory hog? >_> |
| 03:22.52 | JoshJ | in all seriousness, i cannot stand kde and i don't even have any kde libs installed |
| 03:22.54 | mfrisch | full mozilla is more stable than firefox ever was |
| 03:23.12 | JoshJ | i'm fairly sure that between konqueror and the various kde libs i'd come pretty close to whatever firefox uses |
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| 03:29.39 | ronnyml | please i need some help,i just installed sarge in a 32mb ram pc, and i cannot run xfree86, i got a message that it is not supported |
| 03:29.59 | ronnyml | what can i install to have a graphic interface, please |
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| 03:30.23 | intruder_ | ronnyml: your question is so inanswerable |
| 03:30.27 | mfrisch | ronnyml whats not supported? is that a X erro |
| 03:30.45 | mfrisch | ronnyml twin |
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| 03:31.05 | ronnyml | mfrish, i just got a message that my version of xfree86 is not supported |
| 03:31.07 | intruder_ | ronnyml: paste the revelating error line |
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| 03:31.35 | intruder_ | ronnyml: did you install xfree from the official repository ? |
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| 03:32.08 | ronnyml | intruder, yes from the official repository of sarge |
| 03:32.12 | ndowens | has anybody tried installing gnome 2.18 with garnome? |
| 03:32.29 | intruder_ | ronnyml: what is the exact error |
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| 03:34.24 | roe | any idea where to take a question about thunderbird? |
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| 03:35.08 | ronnyml | intruder i installed sarge with enlightenment, and the xfree86, when i reboot and wanted to see a graphic interface, i got a message tha my version of xfree86(4.3.0.1)is not supported by the xfree86 project |
| 03:35.49 | intruder_ | ronnyml: i mean the error from the logs |
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| 03:36.56 | bzed | ronnyml: what happens if you run startx? |
| 03:37.10 | flaccid | i fixed my printer problem. w00h00! |
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| 03:37.30 | bzed | damn. i wanted to know how :( |
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| 03:39.26 | mfrisch | bzed you know how to make a initrd from a source tree |
| 03:39.30 | darkori | wat is an easy FTP server foir debian? |
| 03:39.42 | Xenguy | vsftpd |
| 03:39.56 | darkori | ok |
| 03:40.18 | bzed | mfrisch: make-kpkg --initrd while building it |
| 03:40.26 | darkori | how do u configure vsftpd? |
| 03:40.41 | Decepticon | is this the correct command for me to drop packets destined to youtube.com: iptables -I youtube --destination 208.65.153.253 DROP |
| 03:40.47 | bzed | mfrisch: or make-kpkg --mkimage |
| 03:40.52 | Xenguy | I dunno - how do *you* :-) |
| 03:40.54 | mfrisch | bzed I wish won't do it...it a xen linux. |
| 03:40.57 | bzed | mfrisch: you wanna read the make-kpkg manpage |
| 03:41.21 | bzed | mfrisch: you're stuck with the xen kernels then anyway, just use the debian packages |
| 03:42.01 | darkori | how do you * sorry |
| 03:42.14 | mfrisch | bzed I got a patched source of xen's 2.6.16 I just need the initrd and I thinks it will work |
| 03:42.31 | bzed | mfrisch: why not use the 2.6.18 kernels which are in etch? |
| 03:42.53 | Decepticon | anyone wanna take a stab |
| 03:43.13 | bzed | mfrisch: installing the kernel and using update-initramfs with the right params will help , too |
| 03:43.18 | Xenguy | darkori: all I can tell you honestly is that I read the docs in /usr/share/doc, the man pages, and then found an article on the web that talked about just that -- configuring vsftpd |
| 03:43.18 | bzed | !stab Decepticon |
| 03:43.29 | Azar | Decepticon: have you seen RAzBinaTor? |
| 03:43.39 | Decepticon | haha wtf just happend |
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| 03:44.17 | Decepticon | i was asking if: is this the correct command for me to drop packets destined to youtube.com: iptables -I youtube --destination 208.65.153.253 DROP |
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| 03:44.33 | Ramendik | Hello |
| 03:44.41 | Decepticon | harro |
| 03:44.41 | bzed | Ramendik: heya. did it work? |
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| 03:45.03 | Ramendik | No, but I switched to nv for now. And under both nvidia and nv (!) I'm having a big problem - EVERY video player crashes |
| 03:45.11 | Ramendik | kaffeine, vlc, mplayer - all segfault |
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| 03:45.26 | Ramendik | andf glxgears too segfaults still |
| 03:45.42 | bzed | Decepticon: if all packets go trough the youtube chain... but youtube.com has more than one address |
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| 03:46.03 | Decepticon | nslookup gave me that address |
| 03:46.10 | Ramendik | what can I try? |
| 03:46.11 | Decepticon | so was that a yes or a no |
| 03:46.13 | bzed | Decepticon: it should have given you 2 |
| 03:46.39 | JoshJ | hm |
| 03:46.42 | bzed | Decepticon: if all packets go trough the youtube chain... and you add the second IP, then yes. |
| 03:46.49 | JoshJ | yeah, i get .251 and .253 for youtube |
| 03:46.53 | bzed | Decepticon: at least it'll help unti;l the IP changes |
| 03:47.04 | Decepticon | i dont know what you mean by going through the youtube chain |
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| 03:47.13 | Decepticon | im clueless to how iptables works |
| 03:47.15 | bzed | Ramendik: at least you should report a bug against the nividia package |
| 03:47.16 | Decepticon | just want to block youtube |
| 03:47.21 | Ramendik | I did |
| 03:47.27 | Azar | the ip range of adresses of that site |
| 03:47.28 | Ramendik | but I'm under nv and I have the problem |
| 03:47.33 | darkori | someone know why when i instal ftpd.. it show all file in it with a time before the file name, for eample: file.txt it called 20:12 file.txt ? |
| 03:47.35 | Ramendik | and this is very bad as the sattion i sused for video |
| 03:47.37 | bzed | Decepticon: for which kind of connections? |
| 03:47.43 | Decepticon | http i suppose |
| 03:47.57 | Ramendik | I can try debugging by playing with mplayer output options |
| 03:48.00 | intruder_ | does anyone know the correct way to add external dlls for wine ? |
| 03:48.12 | JoshJ | intruder_, stick them in the folder with the program's .exe that you're running in wine |
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| 03:48.50 | bzed | Decepticon: no, outgoing connections form your server, or forwarded connections from somewhere else |
| 03:49.03 | mezmiro | So, I've been trying to install Etch from the daily iso image CD, but the installer can't configure DHCP. Any ideas? |
| 03:49.04 | Decepticon | destination addresses to youtube.com |
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| 03:49.17 | JoshJ | mezmiro, i had the same problem with the 2/21 build |
| 03:49.18 | Decepticon | from my server |
| 03:49.20 | bzed | mezmiro: did it find the network interface? |
| 03:49.27 | JoshJ | it worked on the 5th try |
| 03:49.33 | Ramendik | no, mplayer segfaults even with no file! |
| 03:49.37 | Ramendik | GRRRRRR |
| 03:49.44 | JoshJ | which, ironically enough, was the try i finally had the stuff to plug in there manually |
| 03:49.45 | Ramendik | help, please! etch is threatening everything here |
| 03:49.53 | bzed | Decepticon: iptables -I OUTPUT -d 208.65.152.0/22 -j REJECT |
| 03:49.59 | mezmiro | It didn't pop up with any error...everything went far too fast for me to see. I did see a random mention for eth0 though. |
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| 03:50.13 | mezmiro | Hmm, so it worked on manual configuration JoshJ? |
| 03:50.16 | bzed | Ramendik: I start to think that you have a hardware issue (too) |
| 03:50.17 | JoshJ | mezmiro, no |
| 03:50.19 | JoshJ | i didn't need it |
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| 03:50.23 | JoshJ | hence the irony :\ |
| 03:50.24 | Ramendik | I had no issue with sarge! |
| 03:50.28 | bzed | Ramendik: I doubt that all nvidia drivers are broken |
| 03:50.35 | Guerin | !fuck irssi |
| 03:50.40 | Ramendik | I probably have some missing or misconfigured package |
| 03:50.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:50.46 | mezmiro | Hmm..so I'm not the only one, but yikes. |
| 03:50.52 | Ramendik | I actually don't think it's the video friver anymore |
| 03:50.52 | JoshJ | yeah, it's a bad thing |
| 03:50.54 | Decepticon | bzed i see |
| 03:50.59 | Ramendik | I can however try VESA to make double sure |
| 03:51.07 | JoshJ | basically just sit there and let it try it a bunch of times |
| 03:51.08 | mezmiro | I tried it like 3-4 times. |
| 03:51.11 | mezmiro | heh.. |
| 03:51.13 | JoshJ | i dunno what to say :\ |
| 03:51.14 | Azar | Guerin why? |
| 03:51.15 | Ramendik | ...which I will. and I will disable loading of glx. |
| 03:51.15 | bzed | Ramendik: good idea |
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| 03:51.38 | mezmiro | mmk, brb then. |
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| 03:51.48 | intruder_ | JoshJ: same thing happen |
| 03:51.52 | bzed | Ramendik: ah, other question, are you using the nvidia framebuffer driver for console? |
| 03:51.52 | Ramendik | see ya... |
| 03:51.56 | Ramendik | hmm |
| 03:51.58 | Guerin | Azar: Irssi: Unable to connect server irc.freenode.net port 6667 [Cannot assign |
| 03:52.00 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.00 | Ramendik | How can I tell? |
| 03:52.03 | JoshJ | intruder_, hm |
| 03:52.09 | Ramendik | I know that the kernel module is not loaded |
| 03:52.10 | intruder_ | i also tried in windows/system32 |
| 03:52.14 | Guerin | i have no fucking clue why it's trying to bind to a fucking interface |
| 03:52.19 | JoshJ | wait, what exactly are you doing? |
| 03:52.24 | bzed | Ramendik: lsmof | grep fb |
| 03:52.28 | bzed | Ramendik: lsmod | grep fb |
| 03:52.29 | Guerin | and particularly no clue why it's trying to bind to THAT ip |
| 03:52.32 | JoshJ | i'm not talking about in "windows" |
| 03:52.35 | Azar | Guerin: awww I never had such thing, and I only use irssi |
| 03:52.37 | Guerin | which clearly isn't fucking up |
| 03:52.41 | Ramendik | bzed: empty |
| 03:52.45 | Ramendik | so I am not using it |
| 03:52.49 | JoshJ | you're doing something like wine ~/Desktop/program\ folder/program.exe , right? |
| 03:52.58 | intruder_ | :P yes |
| 03:53.03 | darkori | a |
| 03:53.04 | JoshJ | yeah, that's the folder i'm talking about putting it in |
| 03:53.05 | Azar | maybe your ip is banned? |
| 03:53.08 | JoshJ | not a folder in "windows" |
| 03:53.10 | Ramendik | I did do aptitude install xorg |
| 03:53.10 | intruder_ | i know |
| 03:53.12 | JoshJ | bleh |
| 03:53.14 | intruder_ | i tried both |
| 03:53.19 | JoshJ | i dunno then, i think #wine is a channel |
| 03:53.19 | bzed | Ramendik: if it's not built into your kernel. other question, did ytou upgrade to a kernel from etch, or is it still the one from bpo? |
| 03:53.23 | Guerin | Azar: no. |
| 03:53.25 | Ramendik | etch |
| 03:53.25 | JoshJ | it's also possible the DLL you have is hosed |
| 03:53.32 | Guerin | Azar: this is an irssi message, not a server message. |
| 03:53.36 | Ramendik | the latest etch kernel for 686 |
| 03:53.36 | darkori | someone know why when i instal ftpd.. it show all file in it with a time before the file name, for eample: file.txt it called 20:12 file.txt ? |
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| 03:53.58 | Azar | Guerin: tried other irc servers? |
| 03:54.03 | Ramendik | so I'm going to reboot and try vesa, ok? |
| 03:54.04 | bzed | Ramendik: ok. apt-get dist-upgrade doesn;t want to upgrade anythign? |
| 03:54.07 | Azar | like...oftc ? |
| 03:54.16 | mezmiro | Hmm..has anyone had similar DHCP issues with Sarge? |
| 03:54.38 | Ramendik | bzed: no, it doesn't |
| 03:54.49 | mezmiro | I tried to install the Etch daily iso, it popped up with the DHCP thing.. Then I tried to go back to the Sarge install and it popped up with similar DHCP errors. |
| 03:55.02 | Ramendik | and there are no "will not update" packages. I knew these were pre-etch so I just did apt-get install for all of them |
| 03:55.08 | bzed | Ramendik: then i'm totally out of any more clues. time for vesa testing i guess |
| 03:55.16 | Ramendik | ok going to reboot - bye for now |
| 03:55.27 | bzed | mezmiro: put the cable in |
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| 03:55.38 | Azar | ;) |
| 03:55.45 | mezmiro | -_- So not funny bzed. |
| 03:55.50 | Guerin | pebcak error |
| 03:55.59 | bzed | mezmiro: sorry, so the fisr usual bug in such things |
| 03:56.00 | Azar | Guerin: it works? |
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| 03:56.06 | mezmiro | :P |
| 03:56.08 | Guerin | Azar: yes, my config was busted |
| 03:56.14 | Azar | oh |
| 03:56.15 | JoshJ | sarge wouldn't boot for me :( |
| 03:56.29 | JoshJ | i tried to install it and it sat there looping through my USB devices on boot, even with no usb devices plugged in |
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| 03:56.36 | JoshJ | which is why i'm on etch :p |
| 03:56.40 | mezmiro | hehe |
| 03:56.55 | mezmiro | Sarge worked for me until I killed it with a bad kernel update and such. |
| 03:57.02 | JoshJ | haha |
| 03:57.15 | JoshJ | i'm going to upgrade to sid whenever 2.6.20 hits sid |
| 03:57.19 | mezmiro | But now I'm trying to do etch. Is there a way in the installer that I can check if it detected the nic card? |
| 03:57.33 | JoshJ | you can get a full command line in the installer by pressing a button |
| 03:57.38 | bzed | mezmiro: start the etch installer, switch to console while it's trying to use dhcp and have a look at ifconfig |
| 03:57.42 | JoshJ | or hit "go back" and it's one of the last things on the list |
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| 03:57.53 | JoshJ | it may also give you multiple ttys, i dunno |
| 03:58.01 | bzed | mezmiro: and start it in expert mode |
| 03:58.07 | mfrisch | bzed I'm back. Xen will not build a 2.6.18 with 3.0.2 I think..and I would love to feed the right parameters for initramfs I have no clue |
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| 03:58.10 | Ramendik | failed |
| 03:58.17 | Ramendik | under vesa I still get the segfaults |
| 03:58.36 | Vasistha | so, I'm playing with aptitude, and am wondering if this is possible: I find a package that I have installed; I don't know what it is, or why I need it. What I would like, is to easily list all the *installed* package which depend on this package, *and* all the installed packages which depend on all those, ad infinitum -- so I get an easy list of "why this package is installed" |
| 03:58.55 | Vasistha | ...is it even possible to tweak the configuration to do something like that? |
| 03:59.10 | mezmiro | So for eth0 it says: Link encap:Ethernet. HWaddr: 00:07:E9:A9:F0:21.....etc. |
| 03:59.24 | \amethyst | -2 |
| 03:59.24 | mezmiro | It doesn't say anything hardware specific about eth0. |
| 03:59.27 | Ramendik | no errors or warnings in the xorg log save for some missing font dirs and "open acpi failed" |
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| 03:59.27 | JoshJ | Vasistha, you can |
| 03:59.28 | bzed | Ramendik: you wanna figure out in which library it segfaults, probably there's some odl stuff from sarge. also, did you uninstall the nvidia-glx packages? |
| 03:59.38 | JoshJ | Vasistha, but it's probably easier to look at the website |
| 03:59.44 | bzed | Ramendik: haev you ever used an nvidia installer on sarge? |
| 03:59.46 | JoshJ | hang on |
| 03:59.52 | Ramendik | I did not uninstall them but why should they intrude if I do not load nvidia and do not load glx? |
| 03:59.56 | Ramendik | I did |
| 03:59.58 | Vasistha | JoshJ: well, maybe *you* can :D Whether *I* can, still remains to be seen! |
| 03:59.58 | mezmiro | bzed: I did the "Execute shell" option in the installer. |
| 04:00.00 | JoshJ | Vasistha, are you on sarge, etch, or what? |
| 04:00.09 | bzed | mezmiro: ifconfig -a |
| 04:00.10 | Vasistha | JoshJ: etch! |
| 04:00.10 | darkori | someone help me to set up a ftp server quick allowing people to acces to a account name on debian using user debian permission ? |
| 04:00.10 | Azar | Vasistha: I dunno but take a look at aptitude's features: /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 04:00.11 | Ramendik | it worked great, but that was with xfree86, a diffrent tree |
| 04:00.16 | bzed | Ramendik: uuh oh |
| 04:00.22 | JoshJ | ah heck |
| 04:00.22 | JoshJ | http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 04:00.25 | JoshJ | have fun :p |
| 04:00.37 | bzed | Ramendik: that could still mean that there're weird pieces of libraries and stuff somewhere in yoru system |
| 04:00.38 | Vasistha | Azar: I've been reading them for some time... |
| 04:00.38 | JoshJ | pick the package you want, search in the testing distribution, and look at the page that results |
| 04:00.41 | Ramendik | how do I figure out which library it segfaults? |
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| 04:00.48 | Ramendik | I would like to try |
| 04:00.52 | Vasistha | JoshJ: I dunno if you understood my question :P |
| 04:00.52 | Ramendik | but how? |
| 04:00.58 | Azar | Vasistha: you could also write to Daniel Burrows and ask him.. |
| 04:01.04 | bzed | Ramendik: do you still have the old installer? it has an --uninstall command |
| 04:01.05 | btiffin | Vasistha: try http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/packaging.html |
| 04:01.09 | JoshJ | Vasistha, look at an example |
| 04:01.10 | Ramendik | I wouldn't :) |
| 04:01.10 | JoshJ | http://packages.debian.org/testing/sound/alsamixergui |
| 04:01.22 | JoshJ | look at the "other packages related to alsamixergui" part :) |
| 04:01.24 | Ramendik | I would erally prefer to try and figure out the library if at all possible |
| 04:01.36 | bzed | Ramendik: to find it out, apg-get install gdb |
| 04:01.47 | JoshJ | oh |
| 04:01.51 | JoshJ | apt-cache showpkg |
| 04:01.56 | Ramendik | I have it, trying |
| 04:02.19 | bzed | Ramendik: run gdb crshingprogram - in the gdb prompt, enter run when it stops enter bt |
| 04:02.33 | JoshJ | it doesn't do installed programs, though... hm |
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| 04:02.34 | Ramendik | ran mplayer, got a lot of "no debugging symbols found", ran it, here is the bt |
| 04:02.39 | bzed | Ramendik: in the output of bt you should see the used libraries |
| 04:02.47 | Ramendik | sh***. |
| 04:02.48 | bzed | Ramendik: well paste it |
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| 04:03.00 | karsten | What's a segfault log message tell me? Eg: segfault at 00000000bfffcb7c rip 0000000000402f66 rsp 00000000bfffcb68 error 6 |
| 04:03.11 | Ramendik | /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 is at fault |
| 04:03.12 | Ramendik | indeed |
| 04:03.14 | karsten | I'm assuming part of that is the memory address at which the fault occured. |
| 04:03.15 | bzed | karsten: ask a kernel developer :P |
| 04:03.28 | JoshJ | lol |
| 04:03.32 | bzed | Ramendik: is taht part of any package? dpkg -S /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 |
| 04:03.32 | Ramendik | now... |
| 04:03.54 | Ramendik | not found |
| 04:04.00 | bzed | Ramendik: remove the file |
| 04:04.01 | Ramendik | so you're right, it's the old installer |
| 04:04.05 | bzed | :) |
| 04:04.13 | bzed | somebody should rise my karme :D |
| 04:04.16 | bzed | *karma |
| 04:04.36 | bzed | Ramendik: now enter quit in gdb.. and then do it again |
| 04:04.54 | Ramendik | file removed. doing it again |
| 04:05.16 | Ramendik | 0xb7dfcfe5 in pthread_once () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 |
| 04:05.18 | Vasistha | okay, yeah, I'm fairly certain you guys didn't really understand what I was asking. Let me give an example... |
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| 04:05.25 | Ramendik | but the next opne is... |
| 04:05.32 | Ramendik | 0xb7d8dc8a in glXChannelRectSyncSGIX () from /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 04:05.33 | mezmiro | Hmm..did the manual configuration give you any errors JoshJ? |
| 04:05.38 | JoshJ | mezmiro, like i said |
| 04:05.39 | Ramendik | and then it goes thru to libgl |
| 04:05.45 | JoshJ | i got all the stuff to DO the manual configuration |
| 04:05.48 | JoshJ | but ended up not needing it |
| 04:05.49 | Ramendik | strange - I did not even load glx |
| 04:05.49 | bzed | Ramendik: does it crash again? |
| 04:05.52 | Ramendik | it does |
| 04:06.01 | bzed | Ramendik: you probably need to logout |
| 04:06.09 | bzed | Ramendik: and login again |
| 04:06.10 | Ramendik | ok. I will in fact reboot. |
| 04:06.11 | mezmiro | Ahh. So I guess I shouldn't do all the partitioning stuff yet. |
| 04:06.13 | Ramendik | see ya. |
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| 04:06.39 | Vasistha | (this example is gonna take a little while to put together -- which illustrated quite well the feature I'm desiring) |
| 04:06.46 | Vasistha | illustrateS* |
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| 04:09.29 | JoshJ | well, THIS is going to be a long feature |
| 04:09.49 | Azar | so JoshJ how is your ram doing? |
| 04:09.50 | mezmiro | bzed: ifconfig -a only says a litle bit more.. "inet addr:192.168.1.5" and Bcast:192.168.1.255, Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 04:09.59 | JoshJ | Azar, at 180 now |
| 04:10.02 | JoshJ | so i dunno |
| 04:10.18 | JoshJ | it'd take several hours so i'm not going to be bothered with doing this tonight, maybe sometime over spring break |
| 04:10.48 | bzed | mezmiro: looks like dhcp was successfull |
| 04:10.52 | mezmiro | I'm connected through a WRT54G Linksys router right now. |
| 04:11.11 | JoshJ | and you're on the linux box? |
| 04:11.13 | mezmiro | I just put in a random IP for manual configuration, but then tried the automatic DHCP config, which didn't go through. |
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| 04:11.26 | JoshJ | heh |
| 04:11.32 | mezmiro | I'm on IRC on a windows laptop, and I'm setting up Etch on the desktop next to me. |
| 04:11.37 | bzed | mezmiro: is ther any mac address blockign on the linksys? |
| 04:11.43 | yoholla | damn gaim is a pretty nice IRC client as well :-p |
| 04:11.48 | yoholla | never really thought to use it fo rIRC |
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| 04:11.50 | mezmiro | Nope there shouldn't be. |
| 04:11.56 | JoshJ | ew |
| 04:11.59 | JoshJ | gaim is a terrible irc client :( |
| 04:12.02 | yoholla | haha |
| 04:12.03 | yoholla | its ez |
| 04:12.04 | JoshJ | xchat > gaim |
| 04:12.05 | bzed | mezmiro: I'm using openwrt on that linksys and it works well, no clue about the original firmware, never used it |
| 04:12.14 | yoholla | i like ksirc tho |
| 04:12.25 | Azar | gaim is like warts |
| 04:12.25 | karsten | JoshJ: irssi >>> xchat |
| 04:12.27 | mezmiro | Yeah I'm using the original firmware right now. |
| 04:12.28 | JoshJ | ksirc would be awesome if its copy-paste stuff worked properly |
| 04:12.29 | JoshJ | >:[ |
| 04:12.37 | mezmiro | I haven't had any problems with it yet. |
| 04:12.48 | mezmiro | well...of this magnitude, until this evening. |
| 04:13.04 | Vasistha | I'm looking through my package lists, and I find a package that's installed, called libgnomevfs2-common. I think, "I don't use gnome, do I really need this?" So I hit enter to go to the info page for the package, and open up the "Packages which depend on libgnomevfs2-common" section, where I find "libgnomevfs2-0", listed twice. |
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| 04:13.18 | Vasistha | (using aptitude front end, btw) |
| 04:13.20 | Ramendik | succeeded in finding problem |
| 04:13.26 | Azar | ..so everytime someone asks me: you got gaim? im like: ewwwww how dare you? |
| 04:13.35 | bzed | Ramendik: does it work now? |
| 04:13.44 | yoholla | well gaims the only descent AIM client i can use |
| 04:13.50 | Ramendik | the "file" was a symlink, created by the seervice that is a part of nvidia-glx. I have removed mvidia-glx and reinstated nv. |
| 04:13.57 | Ramendik | things seem to work fine |
| 04:13.59 | yoholla | i usually use ksirc |
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| 04:14.06 | simonrvn | 'decent'; descent mean you're going down |
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| 04:14.15 | mezmiro | It does seem like my nic card is having problems though... Right now the desktop cat5 is plugged in to port2 on the router....and the port2 led on the router isn't lit up at all. |
| 04:14.19 | Ramendik | glxgears won't start but with a valid message (extension "glx" not found" |
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| 04:14.31 | Ramendik | Seems like that symlink service is screwed up |
| 04:14.34 | Vasistha | Okay, so I select libgnomevfs2-0 and press enter, and execute several keystrokes to see which packages depend on "libgnomevfs2-0". It's a long list, containing hundreds of uninstalled packages, and three installed ones, scattered throughout: libbonoboui2-0, libgnome2-0, libgnomeui-0, and qalculate-gtk. |
| 04:14.47 | bzed | Ramendik: hmm, it works well for me |
| 04:14.48 | Ramendik | I'm not sure if they fixed it in experimental even, as this seems a debian problem not upstream |
| 04:15.01 | bzed | Ramendik: probably there's still some old junk on your system |
| 04:15.02 | Ramendik | s/screwed up/screwed up for some cases |
| 04:15.07 | Guerin | Ramendik: that's a config error |
| 04:15.07 | JoshJ | Vasistha, yeah i see what you mean, and I don't think there's a built-in way to do it :\ |
| 04:15.15 | simonrvn | Ramendik: did you set the x driver to be nvidia? |
| 04:15.21 | Guerin | Ramendik: fix your x server |
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| 04:15.39 | Ramendik | simon: I did to start with (you were not in channel then but bzed was). Everything failed. |
| 04:15.43 | Azar | people install, install install... and never cleanup |
| 04:15.45 | JoshJ | in theory you could do a shell script that does the following: apt-cache showpkg whatever, check the reverse depends output for installed programs, then apt-cache showpkg those, etc |
| 04:15.52 | Vasistha | JoshJ: thanks -- that's not the answer I was hoping for, but it's better to have the answer than to spend hours reading documentation and googling, to find out that I can't do it! :-) thanks |
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| 04:15.54 | JoshJ | seems terrible :( |
| 04:16.00 | Ramendik | A non-resolved symbol was reported in the xorg log on loading glx |
| 04:16.05 | JoshJ | Vasistha, i'm by no way an authority on APT |
| 04:16.11 | JoshJ | it's possible there's something really freaking obscure |
| 04:16.12 | bzed | Ramendik: you could try find /bin /usr /lib -print0 | xargs -0 dpkg -S 1>/dev/null | tee /tmp/findlog |
| 04:16.17 | Vasistha | Azar: well, yeah, see, I used to use apt-get and I had some bad habits. So, I'm trying to clean it all up now, and it's not a very easy process. |
| 04:16.21 | Ramendik | so I fired a bug and moved temporarily to nv... which was failing on some cases until I removed nvidia-glx |
| 04:16.39 | Ramendik | what would THAT do? |
| 04:16.39 | JoshJ | if you're trying to clean it up, check your apt logs |
| 04:16.41 | Hungmanmoojoo | hi.. ive just installed testing on my laptop.. i'm a linux noob.. my problem is that my cdrom is broken.. how do i remove it from the system.. so it doesn't spin up now and then |
| 04:16.48 | simonrvn | Ramendik: well, you need 3 things: the x driver, the kernel module, and the glx libs |
| 04:16.54 | JoshJ | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 04:16.55 | Azar | Vasistha: "aptitude" cleans up better and faster: use aptitude update / aptitude upgrade ... if you installed aptitude |
| 04:16.58 | JoshJ | control-f for when it was installed |
| 04:16.58 | bzed | Ramendik: it should list you all files which are not in a packge. err, scrap the |tee part of it |
| 04:17.02 | bzed | Ramendik: gimem a sec |
| 04:17.06 | simonrvn | Ramendik: if you don't have one of them, it won't work, period. |
| 04:17.13 | Ramendik | simonvrn: the kernel module works ok but the glx part had some symbol program |
| 04:17.20 | Ramendik | problem |
| 04:17.21 | mezmiro | Hmm..is there any way to detect device-specific information about eth0 from the installer shell? |
| 04:17.33 | mezmiro | It doesn't seem like eth0 is connecting properly to my router, since the led isn't lit up at all. |
| 04:17.37 | simonrvn | well, barring other issues =) |
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| 04:17.40 | Vasistha | Azar: well, the problem is that I used to be in the habit of using apt-get, and manually specifying to install things libraries, rather than having them pulled in as dependencies. I didn't know what I was doing, y'know. |
| 04:17.41 | JoshJ | mezmiro, is eth0 the right one? |
| 04:17.42 | Ramendik | the driver was set to nvidia but the glx failed to load repoorting an unresolved symbol |
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| 04:17.48 | JoshJ | i know on mine is eth1 |
| 04:17.55 | JoshJ | because eth0 is some firewire thing i never use ;[ |
| 04:18.04 | Azar | Vasistha: no problem... anything can be fixed |
| 04:18.18 | JoshJ | Vasistha, load up /var/log/dpkg.log in your favorite text-editor with a find command, find it, and scroll up to see what brought it in |
| 04:18.29 | Vasistha | Azar: so now I have a whole mess of packages that are marked as manual |
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| 04:18.44 | simonrvn | less /var/log/dpkg.log; /foo |
| 04:18.48 | mezmiro | As far as I know JoshJ. |
| 04:18.52 | simonrvn | n for next N for previous |
| 04:18.54 | mezmiro | How can I check? |
| 04:19.10 | JoshJ | uh, it should say when you're in the install process |
| 04:19.11 | bzed | Ramendik: find /bin /usr /lib -print0 | xargs -0 dpkg -S 1>/dev/null |
| 04:19.24 | bzed | Ramendik: I'm pretty sure there's some nvidia junk on your disk, still |
| 04:19.29 | Azar | Vasistha: aptitude will uninstall packages it thinks might not be necessary or broken. If any of those packages is the one(s) you need, note them down then re-install them after cleanup with aptitude |
| 04:19.35 | Hungmanmoojoo | hmm. is my problem too hard :) |
| 04:19.40 | mezmiro | eeeh nope hehe. It just said "configuring network interface blah blah..." |
| 04:19.49 | Ramendik | bzed: started (but not as root, sorry, I only run commands as troot that I totally understand) |
| 04:19.59 | mezmiro | Nothing specific. But when I do ipconfig it only shows eth0 and lo. |
| 04:20.19 | Ramendik | wait - rxvt losing lines :( I wonder does it have a resource for the 0sl option. will tempfix now by running -sl copy |
| 04:20.26 | bzed | Ramendik: shouldn't matter |
| 04:20.34 | Vasistha | Azar: the trouble is that there are many, many packages on my system which are marked as "manual", but which ought to be marked as being pulled in .. and they're not being pruned. At least, I think that's the problem! |
| 04:20.38 | JoshJ | btw, one thing |
| 04:20.52 | JoshJ | what does "dei" mean in context of programs that have been gotten rid of via apt-get remove? |
| 04:20.56 | JoshJ | and is there a way to get rid of that? |
| 04:21.21 | Ramendik | way too many results, redirected to file |
| 04:21.37 | JoshJ | (mainly, i'm annoyed that "vrms" outputs two sun-java related packages that i removed and would like it to go back to being a pristine system) |
| 04:21.37 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i remove a cdrom drive from the system? its broken |
| 04:21.51 | bzed | Ramendik: ah be careful, the "oputput" comes out of stderr |
| 04:22.09 | Ramendik | caught that already |
| 04:22.19 | bzed | ok |
| 04:22.29 | Ramendik | ok there is some nvidia junk, most of it documentation anyhow. I'll try nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 04:22.31 | Rusty1 | Azar: if aptitude will simulate as apt-get does, could he apt-get -s remove the packages, and see what else would get removed? |
| 04:22.38 | mezmiro | Okay, so I did the "detect network device" option in the installer, it pops up with PCMCIA resource range options... I click Continue, and it doesn't say anything at all. |
| 04:22.43 | bzed | Ramendik: if you still have the old one, do it |
| 04:22.53 | bzed | Ramendik: you'll need to reinstall the nvidia packages, though |
| 04:22.55 | mezmiro | There's a screen that pops up but it goes away so fast I can't read it at all. |
| 04:22.56 | Vasistha | JoshJ: see, dpkg.log doesn't say anything was "pulled in", it just lists everything as "upgraded", because so many of these packages were not automatically pulled in, I stupidly manually marked them. |
| 04:22.57 | Ramendik | uninstallation complete |
| 04:23.04 | JoshJ | Vasistha, that's what i mean |
| 04:23.05 | \amethyst | JoshJ: uninstalled but conffiles still around |
| 04:23.08 | bzed | Ramendik: reinstall all nvidia packages then |
| 04:23.08 | JoshJ | look at the timestamps |
| 04:23.09 | \amethyst | JoshJ: purge the package |
| 04:23.09 | Ramendik | rerunning junk check |
| 04:23.30 | Azar | Rusty1: I am not aware, did not practice with that, try it or read the /usr/share/aptitude/README specifications |
| 04:23.31 | JoshJ | and look at the thing you tried to get that ended up pulling it in |
| 04:23.34 | JoshJ | you're going to have to dig for it |
| 04:23.37 | bzed | Ramendik: you'll probably find some stuff which is pretty ok there but not in a packet |
| 04:23.39 | JoshJ | \amethyst, how do i "purge" it? |
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| 04:24.07 | Ramendik | junk gone |
| 04:24.14 | JoshJ | apt-get remove sun-java5-bin --purge ? |
| 04:24.18 | Ramendik | I mean NVidia junk gone |
| 04:24.19 | \amethyst | JoshJ: yes |
| 04:24.28 | Azar | Rusty1: or: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ |
| 04:24.31 | JoshJ | how ironic, i have to reinstall them to purge them :\ |
| 04:24.31 | Ramendik | there is way too much other things including an entire kernel source tree in /usr/src |
| 04:24.37 | Ramendik | ok now |
| 04:24.47 | Ramendik | gimme that one-liner again :) |
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| 04:25.03 | bzed | Ramendik: just a sec |
| 04:25.13 | n3kl_ | Having trouble with my routes... need some help. 172.0.0.0 to eth2, 10.8.0.0 to tap0, default to 10.8.0.1 tap0, but I can't ping the gateway... what am I missing? |
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| 04:25.18 | bzed | Ramendik: get rid of prossible broken packages first: COLUMS=200 dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | grep nvidia | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get remove |
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| 04:26.10 | bzed | !tell Ramendik about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:26.55 | Azar | mister \amethyst :) |
| 04:27.04 | JoshJ | thank you \amethyst |
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| 04:27.48 | JoshJ | No non-free packages installed on r38h107! rms would be proud. |
| 04:27.49 | JoshJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.58 | mezmiro | bzed: Would I have better luck if I installed the other firmware you were talking about? |
| 04:28.27 | Azar | n3kl_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 04:28.29 | bzed | mezmiro: on the router? well i doubt that would solve your problem, but openwrt just rocks :) |
| 04:28.32 | Ramendik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.43 | bzed | mezmiro: you wanna configure the network interface manually and try to ping the router |
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| 04:31.08 | Azar | so : SOURCES. When the Etch comes officially out and people using TESTING will want to stay with Etch as STABLE... will there be any anomaly regarding the sources changes or not? |
| 04:31.16 | JoshJ | no |
| 04:31.19 | JoshJ | it says etch in sources.list |
| 04:31.29 | Azar | shush JoshJ Im asking the elders |
| 04:31.42 | JoshJ | ah, gotcha |
| 04:31.49 | Azar | at every new release there is an issue with the sources |
| 04:32.10 | JoshJ | that seems odd :( |
| 04:32.11 | Azar | bah elders not here |
| 04:32.12 | n3kl_ | Azar: do I need a gateway for my wireless and openvpn? or just a gateway for the vpn connection? |
| 04:32.32 | bzed | mezmiro: you wanna configure the network interface manually and try to ping the router |
| 04:32.43 | Azar | n3kl_: sorry, I gave you that manual because I could not help other ways... not forte at networking |
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| 04:33.03 | n3kl_ | Azar: thanks |
| 04:33.04 | jetscreamer | keep etch to stay etch |
| 04:33.11 | n3kl_ | anyone else have any ideas? |
| 04:33.11 | jetscreamer | put testing to stay testing |
| 04:33.24 | Azar | ...and upgrade later? |
| 04:33.26 | grendal_prime | is there a way to set a cpu and mem threshhold on an app? |
| 04:33.45 | JoshJ | grendal_prime, there's nice |
| 04:33.48 | jetscreamer | s/wander/wanders/ |
| 04:33.58 | JoshJ | there's also quotas |
| 04:34.01 | bzed | !penixstrike jetscreamer, the wanderer |
| 04:34.01 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jetscreamer, the wanderer to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:34.03 | JoshJ | which is probably what you're looking for |
| 04:34.12 | Azar | jetscreamer: there is a bug popping up at every new release time related to the sources pointer |
| 04:34.13 | grendal_prime | like say i wanted to only alow apahe to use up to 25% of the cpu |
| 04:34.17 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice bzed |
| 04:34.23 | JoshJ | yeah, there's a way to do it but i don't know what that is :( |
| 04:34.26 | JoshJ | ew |
| 04:34.28 | JoshJ | that's spelled wrong |
| 04:34.33 | JoshJ | it's fhtagn |
| 04:34.36 | mezmiro | bzed: What's the equiv of ping in the installer shell? x.x |
| 04:34.37 | JoshJ | and wgah'nagl |
| 04:34.57 | jetscreamer | how do you know, out of curiosity |
| 04:35.06 | bzed | mezmiro: uh, if there's no ping... hmm no clue |
| 04:35.07 | JoshJ | i've read the book? |
| 04:35.09 | jetscreamer | somebody did say that before btw |
| 04:35.14 | jetscreamer | oh it's a book? |
| 04:35.18 | JoshJ | ... |
| 04:35.21 | JoshJ | you're serious? |
| 04:35.21 | JoshJ | :( |
| 04:35.24 | mezmiro | Yeah that's what I was thinking bzed x.x |
| 04:35.26 | jetscreamer | i didn't know what it was |
| 04:35.30 | jetscreamer | which book |
| 04:35.42 | mezmiro | I'm doomed! |
| 04:35.43 | JoshJ | a whole bunch by H.P. Lovecraft |
| 04:35.52 | JoshJ | :( |
| 04:35.57 | bzed | mezmiro: try to wget the router interface |
| 04:36.11 | bzed | mezmiro: wget -O - http://192.1689..... |
| 04:36.24 | jetscreamer | i might have read a couple by him.. not sure. i'm more heinlein/asimov/anderson |
| 04:36.26 | JoshJ | http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thecallofcthulhu.htm |
| 04:36.32 | Vasistha | Azar: I'm using etch, and I already have my sources.list set up with the use of the distro name "etch" rather than "testing" |
| 04:36.42 | JoshJ | control-f for "wgah'nagl" and it takes you straight to the line |
| 04:36.44 | JoshJ | or read the story |
| 04:36.49 | mikefoo | hey guys when switching out memory, and on power up of computer, system beeping and not booting, usually incompatible memory issue? |
| 04:37.03 | mezmiro | Sooo it's partitioning now, I'll try that wget in a little bit x.x |
| 04:37.03 | JoshJ | (the book's public domain, so you're not breaking any copyright laws) |
| 04:37.13 | jetscreamer | ah cool |
| 04:37.22 | mfrisch | mikefoo make sure there seated |
| 04:37.34 | Vasistha | Azar: I would imagine it would depend on the archive/mirror/source, though. Some only support the names stable, testing, unstable |
| 04:37.35 | JoshJ | it's a 3-chapter short story |
| 04:37.39 | bzed | mezmiro: press alt+f2, you can do it at the same time :P |
| 04:38.10 | Vasistha | mikefoo: if you *really* want to know, you can find your motherboard's guide to beep codes ;-) |
| 04:38.21 | mikefoo | ahh, heh |
| 04:39.40 | jetscreamer | beeping can be a lot of things... ram not seated/bad ram , cpu, vid card... |
| 04:39.44 | jetscreamer | others |
| 04:39.48 | Vasistha | JoshJ: has that story been out a long time? Seems like I used to know someone that used the handle, Cthulhu -- but I get this feeling like it was 12 years ago, on a one-liner forum bbs. |
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| 04:40.04 | JoshJ | Vasistha, well... let's put it this way, it's old enough that copyright has expired on it |
| 04:40.06 | jetscreamer | cthulhu is semi-famous |
| 04:40.07 | Ramendik | a spectacular failure! |
| 04:40.13 | jetscreamer | aztec god or something |
| 04:40.18 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 04:40.25 | JoshJ | which is why there are so many OTHER stories involving the chulhu mythos |
| 04:40.28 | JoshJ | ...no, not aztec |
| 04:40.28 | Ramendik | the system went into an unusable state - power off only - as soon as X started |
| 04:40.32 | JoshJ | made up by H.P. Lovecraft |
| 04:40.35 | Ramendik | I had to fix it using single user mode |
| 04:40.36 | jetscreamer | o |
| 04:40.45 | Ramendik | switched to vesa for safety |
| 04:41.05 | Ramendik | strangely enough the mplayer crash is not back now |
| 04:41.12 | Ramendik | but nvidia does not work. Totally. |
| 04:41.20 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu |
| 04:41.21 | Ramendik | after following the one liner! |
| 04:41.23 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 04:41.23 | dpkg | nv.run is, like, If you don't want to break your system ask me about <nvidia one-liner>. Break it quick and dirty: get root. kill X. then paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` && md /usr/src/nvda/ && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run -anN |
| 04:41.24 | mezmiro | Hmm...which kernel should I install? 2.6-686 or 2.6.18-4-686? |
| 04:41.33 | JoshJ | "The Call of Cthulhu" is one of H. P. Lovecraft's best-known short stories. Written summer 1926, it was first published in Weird Tales, February 1928. |
| 04:41.37 | jetscreamer | works every time for me |
| 04:42.17 | grendal_prime | what is nice |
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| 04:42.19 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 04:42.35 | Ramendik | well I can go that route... |
| 04:42.38 | Ramendik | I suspect I will |
| 04:42.42 | Azar | heh that is one strange bug, Sarge dist-upgrade to Etch removes kernel and initrd |
| 04:42.46 | JoshJ | nice won't limit the cpu to 25%, but it will force it to give up the priority to somethign else if something comes up |
| 04:42.49 | JoshJ | man nice |
| 04:42.50 | Azar | I never experienced that.. |
| 04:42.54 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: the former is just a metapackage |
| 04:43.04 | Ramendik | crash-boom-bang is a bit too much from a debian package |
| 04:43.06 | JoshJ | Azar, "strange"? seems like it'd be "fatal" to me |
| 04:43.07 | jetscreamer | and will pull in the latest 2.6, iirc |
| 04:43.09 | grendal_prime | i cant find any info other than prrocess ...ok thanks |
| 04:43.09 | mezmiro | Yeah that's what happened to me Azar. |
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| 04:43.19 | bzed | Ramendik: well, the installer always has a --uninstall option, and you should know how to get rid of it now ;) |
| 04:43.31 | JoshJ | grendal_prime, you can google for cpu quotas and give it a quota |
| 04:43.35 | mezmiro | jetscreamer: So I should go with the latter? |
| 04:43.35 | JoshJ | i don't know the details of that though |
| 04:43.43 | Azar | JoshJ: in any case once upgraded to Etch a higher kernel MUST be done immediately and initrd is not of use anymore, initramfs are needed |
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| 04:43.59 | JoshJ | heh |
| 04:43.59 | bzed | Ramendik: although I doubt it'll work, there's something totally fucked up :\ |
| 04:43.59 | bzed | but |
| 04:44.00 | JoshJ | so if you lose your internet connection in the middle of the upgrade you're screwed |
| 04:44.01 | mezmiro | Azar: That's one of the reasons I'm trying to install Etch right now ^_^; |
| 04:44.02 | Ramendik | bzed: I'll try one more thing, I;ll get the logs of the crash-boom-bang |
| 04:44.05 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: up2u, whichever... myself i avoid metapackages when i can, but that's just me |
| 04:44.16 | bzed | n8n8 |
| 04:44.17 | Azar | mezmiro: try using aptitude then |
| 04:44.32 | jetscreamer | the 686 is intel btw |
| 04:44.38 | jetscreamer | intel optimized |
| 04:44.46 | mezmiro | I'm deathly afraid of aptitude. |
| 04:44.47 | jetscreamer | the k7's are optimized for amd |
| 04:44.56 | Ramendik | this time the glx module was loaded correctly... |
| 04:45.00 | JoshJ | mezmiro, you can type aptitude whatever instead of apt-get whatever |
| 04:45.01 | mezmiro | I did aptitude remove xchat just for fun, and it almost removed the kernel ^^; |
| 04:45.08 | JoshJ | o_O |
| 04:45.08 | jetscreamer | just substitute.. what JoshJ said |
| 04:45.14 | JoshJ | oh |
| 04:45.15 | Ramendik | perhaps the framebuffer driver si at fault? |
| 04:45.16 | mezmiro | no joke |
| 04:45.17 | JoshJ | yeah, actually |
| 04:45.26 | JoshJ | when i load aptitude it shows an older version of the kernel as "to be removed" |
| 04:45.29 | jetscreamer | you don't want nvidiafb btw |
| 04:45.41 | mfrisch | mezmiro aptitude will do strange things |
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| 04:45.57 | jetscreamer | wanna see something really scary? |
| 04:46.06 | Ramendik | I'm not sure I had it |
| 04:46.16 | Ramendik | but there was the use fb option |
| 04:46.29 | Ramendik | the logs don't say anything meaningful |
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| 04:47.14 | JoshJ | bleh |
| 04:47.16 | Ramendik | I'll aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx to make rock sure |
| 04:47.18 | JoshJ | CS test tomorrow, gonna get some sleep |
| 04:47.34 | mezmiro | Okay, so I installed the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, and now it's trying to install packages from debian servers... |
| 04:47.35 | JoshJ | then spring break yay :D |
| 04:47.47 | zzzzz | CS Test? |
| 04:47.53 | mezmiro | But I keep getting "The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it." |
| 04:47.54 | JoshJ | yeah |
| 04:47.55 | zzzzz | wgat us CS test? |
| 04:48.00 | JoshJ | CS as in computer science, not as in counterstrike |
| 04:48.11 | Ramendik | ok, see ya. Going for that big test. If it crashes again... nvidia-installer |
| 04:48.13 | mfrisch | zzzzz he gonna be a computer guy ;-) |
| 04:48.16 | mezmiro | So could that mean my whole network setup didn't go through? |
| 04:48.19 | JoshJ | mezmiro, well duh, your connection to the internet isn't working :\ |
| 04:48.28 | JoshJ | and/or you didn't tell it which repo to use |
| 04:48.35 | mezmiro | ! |
| 04:48.42 | zzzzz | oh my GOD is he really going to commit? |
| 04:48.57 | zzzzz | ;P |
| 04:48.59 | JoshJ | ? |
| 04:49.05 | mezmiro | lol |
| 04:49.17 | mezmiro | I figure it would have said something else. |
| 04:49.30 | mezmiro | Or if I didn't configure a name server it might need the IP...hmm |
| 04:49.33 | mfrisch | zzzzz no no no he's just learning VB and office to further his computer knowledge |
| 04:49.51 | zzzzz | that sounds better |
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| 04:50.10 | zzzzz | haha |
| 04:50.36 | mfrisch | zzzzz he will never use it if he is an actual IT guy |
| 04:51.15 | zzzzz | IT industry is going down the drain |
| 04:51.23 | grendal_prime | cpulimit seems to look like the best solution for this situation. thanks guys. |
| 04:51.42 | mezmiro | Okay, so I did a wget http://192.168.1.1 and it couldn't connect to the remote host :/ |
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| 04:53.08 | programmer90 | Good evening. |
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| 04:53.20 | mezmiro | Hello programmer90 :) |
| 04:53.21 | Ramendik | taht was one crash too many |
| 04:53.37 | Azar | Ramendik: its ok you get used to it |
| 04:53.39 | mezmiro | I've gotten used to the feeling lately Ramendik. |
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| 04:53.41 | mezmiro | haha |
| 04:53.42 | programmer90 | How is everyone doing? I haven't been on IRC.. in a while.. |
| 04:53.43 | Ramendik | The debian packaging has one drawback - it tends to be TOO clever |
| 04:53.52 | mfrisch | mezmiro scroll up I think that is the wroung wget command |
| 04:54.00 | grendal_prime | another one that is proably a stupid question but here goes anyway. |
| 04:54.07 | Ramendik | nvidia-installer is the name of the game unless a final run through the logs helps |
| 04:54.57 | mezmiro | "wget -O - http://192.1689....."was what bzed was saying, but the -0 option wasn't working ^_^; |
| 04:55.03 | Ramendik | ok so it did load the sub-module "fb" |
| 04:55.17 | Ramendik | but I don't know how to tell it not to |
| 04:55.23 | mezmiro | I'm doing alright programmer90. Confused and slightly frustrated, but I'm doing good :) Just need to get my network card configured correctly. |
| 04:55.24 | grendal_prime | we are looking at using partimage to backup entire partions on the boxes at work. Problem is they do not back up the mbr, and then we have to reinstall grub and point it to the right kernel location, sometimes a total bitch to do. is there a way to get around that. |
| 04:55.28 | JoshJ | zzzzz, lol |
| 04:55.45 | JoshJ | i don't plan on doing it junk |
| 04:55.51 | JoshJ | grendal_prime, super grub disc, google it |
| 04:56.28 | jetscreamer | Ramendik: fb is ok it's nvidiafb you don't want (one word, nvidiafb) |
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| 04:56.37 | JoshJ | and with that i'm going to get some sleep |
| 04:56.38 | grendal_prime | i looked at it earlyer didnt seem to adress the isue we saw |
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| 04:56.48 | JoshJ | ah, sorry :( |
| 04:57.08 | mfrisch | grendal_prime I'm faily sure there is a mbr flag in partimage |
| 04:57.10 | jetscreamer | damn he WAS abashed |
| 04:57.13 | Ramendik | ok then |
| 04:57.19 | Ramendik | so - nvidia-installer now |
| 04:57.25 | Ramendik | removing all nvidia debian packages |
| 04:57.31 | jetscreamer | !tell Ramendik -about nv.run |
| 04:57.41 | jetscreamer | there is a later driver btw |
| 04:57.46 | jetscreamer | 95xx |
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| 04:59.07 | mezmiro | Sweetness, autoconfig in Sarge worked.... |
| 04:59.22 | intruder_ | jetscreamer: 96xx |
| 04:59.27 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 04:59.27 | Ramendik | update that tell, the version number is bumped |
| 04:59.38 | mezmiro | Man that's awesome.... |
| 04:59.58 | mezmiro | Okay, anyone have an article / method to upgrade from Sarge to Etch via aptitude? |
| 05:00.10 | jetscreamer | jsut change your sources |
| 05:00.18 | jetscreamer | then go to town |
| 05:00.24 | mezmiro | I heard you just need to edit sources.list and replace "sarge" with "etch" but the last time I did that everything got screwed up. |
| 05:00.29 | jetscreamer | aptitude dist-upgrade i guess |
| 05:00.34 | intruder_ | mezmiro: just replace every instance of sarge/stable to etch/testing |
| 05:00.37 | jetscreamer | yeah that would be changing your sources |
| 05:00.38 | mfrisch | - |
| 05:00.46 | mezmiro | Could it have been the kernel version I was running? |
| 05:00.55 | intruder_ | then apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade ; reboot |
| 05:00.57 | jetscreamer | a template for you to look at: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 05:01.02 | mezmiro | Oooh....I did etch/stable ....well I guess that's why. |
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| 05:01.05 | mfrisch | mezmiro you need to do a aptitude dist-update after |
| 05:01.05 | zzzzz | what exactly is this about March 11 and computer systems? |
| 05:01.17 | mezmiro | Y2K7 maybe? |
| 05:01.18 | jetscreamer | it's 4 days before the ides |
| 05:01.27 | intruder_ | mezmiro: no i mean its sarge or stable, or etch or testing |
| 05:01.44 | jetscreamer | and all computers will be stabbed |
| 05:01.45 | mezmiro | DST is happening like 3 weeks early or something. |
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| 05:02.03 | mfrisch | mezmiro happened |
| 05:02.06 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: if you want to stay with etch when etch goes stable, put etch, not testing..if you want to stay with testing, put that. |
| 05:02.13 | intruder_ | haha |
| 05:02.20 | zzzzz | Y2k bug was a farse is this another Hoopla? |
| 05:02.23 | mezmiro | So for now I shuold put etch/testing? |
| 05:02.34 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 05:02.37 | mfrisch | zzzzz it happened |
| 05:02.40 | jetscreamer | look at the template |
| 05:02.41 | mezmiro | As far as I know this one's a bit different. |
| 05:02.48 | zzzzz | where? mfrisch? |
| 05:02.48 | intruder_ | mezmiro: no, only etch or only testing |
| 05:02.50 | jetscreamer | look at: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 05:03.07 | jetscreamer | it's a little old but should give you an idea |
| 05:03.08 | intruder_ | zzzzz: here |
| 05:03.12 | smacnay | Hi, I need help with my keyboard in kernel-image 2.6.18-4-k7. I am updating xserver-xorg ang get this error - |
| 05:03.15 | smacnay | xserver-xorg postinst warning: failed to infer keyboard layout from layout/lang '10 debian-installer/keymap doesn't exist--' |
| 05:03.17 | mfrisch | we went to dst a week or so ago Ohio |
| 05:03.27 | jetscreamer | jsut the marillat part is outdated |
| 05:03.32 | smacnay | How do I set up a key map? |
| 05:03.51 | zzzzz | where? mfrisch? dst? |
| 05:04.16 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:04.26 | jetscreamer | one or all of those should be what you want |
| 05:04.26 | mfrisch | daylight savings time eastern |
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| 05:04.42 | jetscreamer | cut&paste it |
| 05:04.51 | smacnay | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 05:05.06 | zzzzz | mfrisch manually adjusting the time is a big headache? |
| 05:05.31 | intruder_ | zzzzz: ntp servers take care of it |
| 05:06.03 | mezmiro | Hmm..so I should be fine with the 2nd template jetscreamer? |
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| 05:06.09 | zzzzz | mfrisch so it was no real big thing as long as it didn't affect the finacial markets |
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| 05:06.27 | mezmiro | It's quite a bit different than the one that comes stock in Sarge, but if it does what I need then I'm okay with it. |
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| 05:06.40 | mfrisch | zzzzz no its more that parts of Indiana do not use Daylight Savings |
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| 05:07.41 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: yeah, cept you want either main contrib non-free , or you want main ... or you want main contrib ... |
| 05:07.49 | jetscreamer | the marillat one is updated go figure |
| 05:07.51 | jetscreamer | i forgot |
| 05:07.56 | mezmiro | lol |
| 05:08.01 | mezmiro | So any of the three really? |
| 05:08.12 | jetscreamer | either of the group of three |
| 05:08.17 | jetscreamer | all 3 |
| 05:08.35 | jetscreamer | you can also put main contrib (that example isn't listed) |
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| 05:08.42 | mezmiro | mmk. |
| 05:08.44 | Vasistha | well, here's a question that could help. Is there any way to list packages, which are installed, and that no other *installed* packages depend upon? |
| 05:08.48 | smacnay | what is the typical keymap/layout of a generic us computer (pc)? |
| 05:08.57 | mezmiro | What's non-free mean anyways? I keep seeing that... |
| 05:09.02 | jetscreamer | 104-105 key |
| 05:09.09 | mezmiro | I keep thinking "money!" but that can't be right. |
| 05:09.18 | jetscreamer | one or the other.. the 105 if in doubt |
| 05:09.29 | mfrisch | mezmiro unopen source |
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| 05:09.38 | smacnay | jetscreamer: I think 105... |
| 05:09.42 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: it means the license isn't .. what he said |
| 05:09.46 | mezmiro | Ahh, so closed source but free nonetheless? |
| 05:09.55 | jetscreamer | right, free as in beer |
| 05:09.58 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 05:09.58 | mfrisch | depends |
| 05:10.06 | mezmiro | ooo free beer :D |
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| 05:10.30 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 05:10.30 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 05:10.34 | wireddd | is xrdp packaged as something else in debian, or is it just not in the repos. yet? |
| 05:10.39 | mezmiro | I remember seeing a group of non-free nvidia drivers for 3D Acceleration and whatnot. |
| 05:10.52 | jetscreamer | they're in contrib non-free |
| 05:10.58 | Vasistha | and the other aptitude question would be, is there any way to get it to automatically close the "Dependencies" section, and open the "Packages that depend on me" section? What section of the manpage should I look for configuring the package info screen? |
| 05:11.02 | mezmiro | !vrms |
| 05:11.02 | dpkg | it has been said that vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms |
| 05:11.14 | jetscreamer | vrms is cool |
| 05:11.24 | mezmiro | What's it do?! |
| 05:11.33 | mezmiro | Sniff out non-free software on your compy? |
| 05:11.39 | jetscreamer | jsut bitches you out for non free/ non gpl stuff.. yeah |
| 05:11.44 | mezmiro | lol nice |
| 05:11.45 | jetscreamer | lists/numbers them |
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| 05:12.04 | Vasistha | mezmiro: depending on your system ... it makes an enormous list of packages you use every day and says they're BAD :D |
| 05:12.07 | enouf | Vasistha: don't know offhand, but maybe installing aptitude-en-doc will know |
| 05:12.20 | enouf | Vasistha: or doc-en .. whatever |
| 05:12.30 | mezmiro | :D "You will be sent to the 5th layer of hell for the 10th package on this list..." |
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| 05:12.54 | Ramendik | well, under nvidia from nvidia-installer, after I purged the init-scripts, it boots |
| 05:12.54 | mezmiro | lol |
| 05:12.57 | Ramendik | and does not crash |
| 05:12.59 | Ramendik | but |
| 05:13.08 | Ramendik | glxgears is running and running and not giving any info |
| 05:13.15 | jetscreamer | !glxgears |
| 05:13.15 | Ramendik | which may mean that it's way too slow |
| 05:13.15 | dpkg | from memory, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 05:13.22 | jetscreamer | or not |
| 05:13.26 | Ramendik | ohhh |
| 05:13.30 | Ramendik | thanks for the info |
| 05:13.40 | wireddd | only 13, not too bad |
| 05:13.42 | jetscreamer | do glxinfo, you want the glx and opengl to be provided by nvidia |
| 05:14.07 | jetscreamer | yeah they chnged the glxgears to do that... not debian but whoever does it |
| 05:14.15 | jetscreamer | does/makes/whatever |
| 05:14.21 | Ramendik | client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 05:14.25 | enouf | Vasistha: as to your 1st question checkout debfoster and deborphan, if using aptitude only there's a way, but different |
| 05:14.31 | militant | hi guys. new to debian specifically. i used make-kpkg to build a kernel but got the wrong hdd controller, ... how do i scrap the new kernel so i can go build another? |
| 05:14.35 | Ramendik | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporatio |
| 05:14.36 | Ramendik | n |
| 05:14.41 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 05:14.41 | Vasistha | enouf: I am using aptitude... |
| 05:14.46 | Ramendik | so... it works. and btw I understood what was wrong |
| 05:14.54 | jetscreamer | militant: jsut boot the old one |
| 05:15.02 | Vasistha | enouf: and, I suppose I ought to have said, I'm using it exclusively now. |
| 05:15.08 | Ramendik | I should have *purged* the nvidia packages before reinstalling them, as the uninstall lost some files they considered configs |
| 05:15.10 | jetscreamer | then apt-get remove, then make-kpkg a new one |
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| 05:15.25 | Ramendik | but I won'd change things now that they work :) |
| 05:15.39 | militant | jetscreamer: apt-get remove kernel-imageblahblah.deb ? |
| 05:15.43 | mezmiro | Hmm..so should I upgrade my kernel from 2.4 before I upgrade to Etch or after? |
| 05:15.52 | wireddd | militant: without the .deb |
| 05:15.56 | militant | ok |
| 05:15.59 | militant | cool one sec trying |
| 05:16.01 | Vasistha | enouf: what I'd really like, though, is specifically what I asked for -- I don't think I have any libraries to prune; at this point I'd like to prune packages that I've installed and am not using |
| 05:16.09 | Ramendik | So thanks for trying to get me on the debian way, but no thanks :) |
| 05:16.11 | jetscreamer | no just kernel-image-blah ... |
| 05:16.19 | Ramendik | Bye all! |
| 05:16.21 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 05:16.24 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 05:16.38 | mezmiro | Okay so I just do the normal aptitude kernel-image-blah and then go from there? |
| 05:16.53 | militant | apt-get remove kernel-image-2.6.8_Custom.1_i386 ... gives me couldn't find package |
| 05:16.59 | mezmiro | hmm.. |
| 05:16.59 | enouf | Vasistha: I don't use aptitude .. or rarely if ever |
| 05:17.02 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: in etch, it's linux-image not kernel-image |
| 05:17.11 | mezmiro | ahh |
| 05:17.18 | Vasistha | enouf: ahh, thanks anyway :-) |
| 05:17.18 | scv | hahaha |
| 05:17.34 | mezmiro | So I should upgrade to etch first and then upgrade my linux image? |
| 05:17.35 | scv | gentoo was merged |
| 05:17.41 | jetscreamer | militant: shorter.... try apt-file or apt-cache or dpkg -l to find the name |
| 05:17.48 | mezmiro | My sarge install disk has 2.4.something on it x.x; which is way too old. |
| 05:17.51 | jetscreamer | or just use aptitude / dselect |
| 05:17.57 | mfrisch | mezmiro dpkg -l|grep kernel then uses name |
| 05:18.08 | Vasistha | mezmiro: that's how I did it, and ... well, I'm not going to say my upgrade went smoothly, but I got through it :-) |
| 05:18.08 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: if you type linux26 when you boot the cd you get a 2.6 kernel |
| 05:18.12 | Tobsn | hmm can i set scp somehow to just copy changed/new files? |
| 05:18.23 | enouf | Vasistha: It's likely in the aptitude-<language>-doc pkg |
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| 05:18.29 | mezmiro | oo_o |
| 05:18.39 | Vasistha | enouf: heh, okay, okay, I'll look at that! |
| 05:18.43 | mezmiro | jetscreamer: Which CD? The Etch CD? |
| 05:18.45 | militant | jetscreamer the .deb that was made IS that filename ... and aptitude only shows gdm as being removable ? |
| 05:18.51 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: next time you install, a: try etch installer... b, hit f1. |
| 05:19.02 | mfrisch | Tobsn you can use ssh as rsyncs auth and tunnel |
| 05:19.22 | jetscreamer | militant: the name has been shortened, this i know, but to what, i'm not sure. |
| 05:19.32 | mezmiro | jetscreamer: Yeah I was having issues with the Etch netinst CD recognizing my network settings, so now I have to upgrade the kernel through Sarge. |
| 05:19.46 | militant | ok, how do i find out, considering the filename itself in /usr/src/ is the .deb i listed ? |
| 05:19.48 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 05:19.53 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: the sarge cd is you need to type linux26. etch installer defaults to 2.6 you have to type linux24 |
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| 05:20.33 | mfrisch | militant run ^^^^^^^^^^ thats not the installed name |
| 05:20.38 | mezmiro | hmm... |
| 05:20.42 | jetscreamer | militant: i know how i would find it... i would use dselect, it would be listed towards the top. but everybody uses aptitude now. |
| 05:20.47 | Tobsn | mfrisch, drsync - wrapper for file synchronisation via rsync - sounds good? ;) |
| 05:20.59 | wireddd | militant: dpkg --info linux-image-2.6.17-2-blahblah.deb | grep Package: |
| 05:21.32 | mfrisch | Tobsn don't know but I think you set a var not a new package |
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| 05:22.05 | jetscreamer | militant: yes the .deb's filename is that, but it gets listed differently... usually something to do with /etc/kernel-pkg.conf iirc.. or kernel-img.conf one of the two, and the extra version you may have installed |
| 05:22.09 | mezmiro | Wow that's awesome jetscreamer. I never knew about that! |
| 05:22.30 | militant | jetscreamer: but it's *not* listed that i can see... hang on. ok i found it but it's not letting me remove it. |
| 05:22.30 | wireddd | militant: did that work for you? |
| 05:22.30 | jetscreamer | --append-to-version=123.456 et al |
| 05:22.41 | mfrisch | Tobsn rsync(something)=ssh |
| 05:22.51 | jetscreamer | militant: that's not the only kernel you have is it? ahh are you running it? |
| 05:22.57 | militant | no |
| 05:23.02 | militant | i have the default, which i'm booted on |
| 05:23.04 | jetscreamer | no idea why |
| 05:23.09 | mezmiro | -_- Now I'm having the same DHCP issue I had before. |
| 05:23.10 | jetscreamer | try dselect :) |
| 05:23.16 | jetscreamer | muhahahaha |
| 05:23.17 | wireddd | militant: I told you how to find the package name |
| 05:23.19 | mezmiro | Could it be something in the 2.6+ kernel jetscreamer? |
| 05:23.32 | militant | wireddd i found the package in aptitude |
| 05:23.35 | enouf | Vasistha: fwiw -- it is indeed aptitude-doc-en ..(not vice versa) |
| 05:23.38 | mfrisch | dssel whats that ;-0 |
| 05:23.39 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: grep allow-hotplug /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:23.49 | wireddd | militant: ok what is it? |
| 05:24.26 | wireddd | you should try removing it with either apt-get or dpkg |
| 05:24.28 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 05:24.43 | Tobsn | damn now i shot my ffmpeg with update... |
| 05:25.04 | mezmiro | Should there be an output for that command jetscreamer? |
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| 05:25.30 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: only if it's in the file |
| 05:25.34 | militant | wireddd kernel-image-2.6.8 |
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| 05:25.45 | mezmiro | Or, rather, should I execute that command when booting the CD or at the install shell? |
| 05:25.55 | militant | ahh |
| 05:25.56 | militant | ok |
| 05:26.00 | militant | it's been removed. |
| 05:26.01 | wireddd | that isn't the package you made |
| 05:26.01 | militant | sweet. |
| 05:26.05 | wireddd | ok |
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| 05:26.08 | maddash | wow. this is unbelievable |
| 05:26.18 | militant | wireddd ... it is the package i made, i guess. it apparently worked. |
| 05:26.33 | mfrisch | wireddd he's sucusessfully removed his running kernel |
| 05:26.46 | militant | mfrisch ... it's not running... |
| 05:26.47 | enouf | heh |
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| 05:27.03 | wireddd | militant: make sure you have a stock kernel installed before you reboot |
| 05:27.08 | militant | i do |
| 05:27.08 | mfrisch | militant ok tiger |
| 05:27.10 | militant | the default |
| 05:27.21 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: no... i didn't think you were installing from a cd? |
| 05:27.24 | wireddd | because you can remove the defualt kernel |
| 05:27.27 | militant | k, building new one now. yay. |
| 05:27.32 | mezmiro | Yeah I'm installing from a CD ^^; |
| 05:27.36 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:27.49 | jetscreamer | i thought you were upgrading from sarge to etch |
| 05:27.50 | maddash | just for fun, I `ls -l /tmp` on my school's public Solaris server. apparently, some boneheads were storing their personal files in /tmp to get around the 3MB limit on ~/, but left everything for everyone to see. |
| 05:27.52 | mezmiro | I have two CD's, the Sarge netinst CD and the Etch daily netinst build CD. |
| 05:27.57 | mezmiro | Haha. |
| 05:28.17 | mezmiro | Well, I was o.O hehe. |
| 05:28.20 | mfrisch | maddash they don't clean up /tmp? |
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| 05:28.25 | jetscreamer | which one are you using mezmiro |
| 05:28.28 | maddash | w000t I'm downloading this dude's set of rar's from his personal area in /tmp. should be interesting. |
| 05:28.31 | militant | ok, should a kernel build that fast? it had new components, not just modules, but included drivers... |
| 05:28.36 | mezmiro | I'm installing Sarge right now ^_^ |
| 05:28.38 | maddash | mfrisch: nope. silly and stupid. |
| 05:28.57 | mezmiro | The Etch daily build CD won't detect my network card correctly. |
| 05:28.58 | jetscreamer | sarge is the one you need to type linux26 at the boot: prompt, when the cd boots |
| 05:29.00 | wireddd | militant: why are you building a new kernel? |
| 05:29.00 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 05:29.17 | mfrisch | maddash oh don't do that you'll get some great kiddy p0rn or the fbi or both |
| 05:29.22 | militant | wireddd: fresh install, need hardware support, and gotta get geforce3 drivers up too |
| 05:29.25 | mezmiro | See the thing is, when I run teh Sarge CD, type in linux26 etc, go through the installer....it won't detect my network card properly. |
| 05:29.38 | maddash | mfrisch: they're probably password protected....I hope... |
| 05:29.47 | mezmiro | But when I do the Sarge install with the 2.4 kernel, everything runs smoothly, it detects my DHCP, apt-get works...everything. |
| 05:29.48 | jetscreamer | well if the 2.4 works you can always upgrade |
| 05:29.54 | wireddd | militant: you can build all that stuff as modules can't you? |
| 05:30.00 | maddash | make modules |
| 05:30.06 | mfrisch | militant what other hardware? |
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| 05:30.18 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: you could type linux24 in the etch cd |
| 05:30.32 | mezmiro | o.o |
| 05:30.33 | militant | wireddd yes probably but there's a bunch of junk in the default kernel. i wanna clean it up a bit. i'm not exactly 'new' to this, i'm just new to these methods. i haven't used linux much since slack 7.1 |
| 05:30.35 | jetscreamer | if you gonna up to etch you might as well start over |
| 05:30.40 | jetscreamer | up2u though |
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| 05:31.03 | militant | back then it was manual kernel builds and lilo.conf edits |
| 05:31.04 | mezmiro | I'm fine with anything that works at this point. |
| 05:31.06 | militant | so this is new/confusing |
| 05:31.08 | mezmiro | :D |
| 05:31.26 | mezmiro | -_- Could not find kernel image: linux24 |
| 05:31.30 | mezmiro | hahaha |
| 05:31.36 | mfrisch | militant kernels have grown up since then |
| 05:31.42 | militant | seems that way |
| 05:31.43 | wireddd | militant: there is almost no reason to build your own kernel anymore |
| 05:33.04 | jetscreamer | militant: i used to, got tired of it |
| 05:33.05 | mezmiro | Man.... Okay so, if I used the etch netinst cd...how could I get it to detect the network card? |
| 05:33.05 | Guerin | militant: f1 |
| 05:33.05 | Guerin | mezmiro: f1 |
| 05:33.05 | mfrisch | wireddd I wish then I would have a desktop instead of this great 700mb console |
| 05:33.05 | Guerin | mezmiro: what card? |
| 05:33.05 | militant | wireddd well what about all the cruft built into my kernel. i get warnings, errors, on boot, for hardware it tries to turn on that isn't there, and this is an abit kt7a board so there's some hpt370 stuff needed etc. |
| 05:33.06 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: do what Guerin says |
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| 05:33.07 | mezmiro | It's an Intel card, I don't know specifics offhand. |
| 05:33.07 | Guerin | mezmiro: you need to. |
| 05:33.27 | mezmiro | I think I know a way...*checks* |
| 05:33.34 | maddash | how can `cat [directory]` output results? what does it mean to cat a directory? |
| 05:33.48 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:34.51 | militant | eh, time to boot this kernel and find out what works and what doesn't. thanks wireddd :) |
| 05:35.04 | militant | i'll probably be back to bug you guys about the nvidia stuff |
| 05:35.15 | jetscreamer | i accidentally kick some concrete |
| 05:35.18 | jetscreamer | kicked |
| 05:35.21 | mfrisch | militant module-assistant |
| 05:35.23 | militant | you too jetscreamer, thanks |
| 05:36.00 | jetscreamer | !tell militant -about m-a |
| 05:36.03 | jetscreamer | ok don't |
| 05:36.48 | mezmiro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.48 | mezmiro | Integrated Intel 10/100 Ethernet/Intel 82562ET (10/100) |
| 05:36.50 | smacnay | jetscreamer: hmm, one app still complains of there being no keyboard... mybe the new kernel image02.6.18-4-k7 is buggy. |
| 05:36.56 | mezmiro | There we go Guerin. |
| 05:37.17 | jetscreamer | that kernel works just fine here smacnay .. no idea |
| 05:37.32 | smacnay | jetscreamer: me neither |
| 05:37.42 | jetscreamer | so everything else works, just one application cries? |
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| 05:38.45 | jetscreamer | s/cries/bitches/ |
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| 05:38.57 | mezmiro | Only one application crying? |
| 05:39.18 | mfrisch | mine wine and moan |
| 05:39.29 | enouf | and dine too? |
| 05:40.10 | mfrisch | yeah they eat plenty of ram ;-) |
| 05:40.23 | mezmiro | Okay so, I have Sarge installing as we speak... |
| 05:40.28 | jetscreamer | big fat heifers |
| 05:40.30 | jetscreamer | good |
| 05:40.32 | mezmiro | Should I do a kernel upgrade first, or dist-upgrade to etch first? |
| 05:40.39 | jetscreamer | dist |
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| 05:40.45 | mezmiro | okay :) |
| 05:40.52 | militant | didn't work, i'm too tired to care, but i'll idle if no one objects |
| 05:40.56 | militant | g'night folks :) |
| 05:41.01 | mezmiro | When I upgrade the kernel, do you think my nic card will break too? |
| 05:41.09 | jetscreamer | if i was you, just to be safe i'd install the latest 2.4 etch has, then later go 2.6 |
| 05:41.21 | mezmiro | hmm okay. |
| 05:41.22 | jetscreamer | it might but you could always boot an old kernel |
| 05:41.59 | mezmiro | So I could have two kernels to boot into then? |
| 05:42.00 | jetscreamer | but dist-upgrade first imo |
| 05:42.02 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 05:42.13 | mezmiro | Awesome. |
| 05:42.18 | jetscreamer | you could have 7 |
| 05:42.22 | Tobsn | does someone have 5 minutes for me in a query for a kernel update |
| 05:42.23 | Tobsn | ? |
| 05:42.25 | jetscreamer | but that's kinda silly |
| 05:42.26 | mfrisch | mezmiro grub shows 7 by default |
| 05:42.31 | mezmiro | lol |
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| 05:42.45 | jetscreamer | Tobsn: just ask |
| 05:42.48 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 05:42.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:43.35 | mezmiro | So when I do an aptitude install linux-kernel-etc, will that keep the older kernel? Or do I have to choose something special for that? |
| 05:43.36 | Tobsn | i did a dist-upgrade |
| 05:43.44 | Tobsn | and after reboot it shows the old kernel |
| 05:43.56 | Tobsn | Linux t521 2.6.16.20 #3 |
| 05:44.04 | mfrisch | Tobsn remove the old kernel |
| 05:44.07 | jetscreamer | you'd have to explicitly uninstall the old kernel |
| 05:44.13 | jetscreamer | mezmiro: ^^ |
| 05:44.29 | mezmiro | Okay :) |
| 05:44.38 | jetscreamer | Tobsn: yes the kernel isn't automatically upgraded |
| 05:44.50 | jetscreamer | you must pick&choose a new one |
| 05:44.56 | jetscreamer | you don't have to remove the old one |
| 05:45.08 | jetscreamer | you can remove it though |
| 05:45.29 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 05:45.32 | mezmiro | At this rate I'll have my display settings configured, Azureus downloaded+installed and new anime to watch in about 2 hours :D |
| 05:45.32 | Tobsn | http://nopaste.info/d2881c769c.html |
| 05:45.40 | Tobsn | there is /boot/ and lilo.conf |
| 05:45.46 | mezmiro | I'm glad I don't have college until like 10-11 tomorrow hehe. |
| 05:46.48 | jetscreamer | Tobsn: if you install a new kernel, lilo will be automatically updated by default |
| 05:46.53 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 05:47.15 | enouf | jetscreamer: i thought lilo needs to be rerun to set it up for a new kernel .. |
| 05:47.27 | jetscreamer | the post-inst does that |
| 05:47.37 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 05:47.40 | enouf | jetscreamer: that's for grub only .. i thought |
| 05:47.43 | jetscreamer | unless it's disabled in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 05:47.45 | wireddd | I know it does it for grub |
| 05:47.55 | jetscreamer | no... it's for lilo too |
| 05:48.01 | wireddd | but I don't think it does it by default for lilo |
| 05:48.05 | yell0w | !etch |
| 05:48.05 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 05:48.06 | enouf | !sarge->etch |
| 05:48.07 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 05:48.10 | wireddd | at least it wasn't the last time I tried it |
| 05:48.20 | jetscreamer | it does. it was last time i tried it. |
| 05:48.22 | enouf | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 05:48.22 | dpkg | To install Linux 2.6 in Sarge, run # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH; but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific CPU. If you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <386> or <k7> etc. If you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf. This does not *upgrade* Linux, it keeps Linux 2.4. |
| 05:48.32 | jetscreamer | but i forget it's been over a year |
| 05:48.40 | jetscreamer | you lmake me doubt :/ |
| 05:48.47 | mfrisch | it use to not update now it does |
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| 05:49.56 | jetscreamer | actually grub has it's own weirdness, and yes i remember now lilo does get updated (but still you put that seed of doubt dammit) because the hook thing got added to kernel-img.conf |
| 05:50.13 | jetscreamer | it wasn't there before grub |
| 05:50.55 | jetscreamer | this and the other postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub got added when grub came to debian |
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| 05:51.02 | enouf | jetscreamer: I don't use lilo, but i recall seing many times that lilo must be rerun before rebootting into newer kernel .. I think one can hold the Shift key while booting and access Lilo config |
| 05:51.04 | jetscreamer | but above them lies the others |
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| 05:51.29 | jetscreamer | yes lilo MUST be run... but it gets run by the post-inst |
| 05:51.46 | Tobsn | # uname -a |
| 05:51.46 | Tobsn | Linux t521 2.6.16.20 #3 Wed Jun 7 12:31:39 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:51.47 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 05:51.50 | Tobsn | is this the newest one? |
| 05:51.53 | CppIsWeird | i do an apt-get install fakeroot and it asks me for the CD, any way to have it get it from the internet instead? |
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| 05:52.02 | enouf | jetscreamer: yes grub's menu.lst even has a way to stpo the update's from taking affect. |
| 05:52.04 | jetscreamer | do_bootloader = no |
| 05:52.12 | jetscreamer | needs to be yes |
| 05:52.16 | jetscreamer | for lilo |
| 05:52.26 | enouf | Tobsn: cat /proc/version says what? |
| 05:52.28 | mfrisch | edit /etc/apt/source.list remove cd sources |
| 05:52.32 | jetscreamer | apparently it's NOT default anymore |
| 05:52.37 | Kevin` | CppIsWeird I would remove the cdrom from /etc/apt/sources.list if you don't intend on using it |
| 05:52.42 | Tobsn | Linux version 2.6.16.20 (root@rescue-v4) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)) #3 Wed Jun 7 12:31:39 CEST 2006 |
| 05:52.43 | jetscreamer | but neither is lilo |
| 05:52.49 | CppIsWeird | Kevin`: ahh. Thanks. |
| 05:53.13 | enouf | Tobsn: which is your newest kernel then? |
| 05:53.29 | test0036 | I remember there is a UNIX command-line utility, which can wrap long lines for text files, what's its name? |
| 05:53.32 | Tobsn | http://nopaste.info/d2881c769c.html |
| 05:53.36 | Tobsn | see the list of /boot/ |
| 05:53.38 | Tobsn | *listing |
| 05:53.48 | mezmiro | hmm... So what is "etch" exactly? Is it simply a set of upgraded packages and interfaces? |
| 05:53.58 | jetscreamer | it's the next release |
| 05:54.05 | Kevin` | it's the next version of debian |
| 05:54.09 | jetscreamer | think xp vs win98 |
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| 05:54.23 | Vasistha | test0036: fold? |
| 05:54.26 | unix_infidel | jetscreamer: lol. |
| 05:54.37 | Tobsn | i hope its not XP vs Vista... would be end up screwing everything :P |
| 05:54.41 | Tobsn | enouf, any ideas? |
| 05:54.43 | test0036 | Vasistha: it's fold, thx. |
| 05:54.48 | Vasistha | test0036: info coreutils ;-) |
| 05:54.53 | CppIsWeird | Kevin`: ty, worked like a charm. :) |
| 05:55.23 | enouf | Tobsn: you're running the newer kernel yes? .. so what's the problem? I missed your initial question |
| 05:55.31 | Tobsn | its the newest kernel? |
| 05:55.31 | mezmiro | I mean, is there anything drastically different between sarge and etch? |
| 05:55.38 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 05:55.43 | enouf | Tobsn: which kerenl is newest? |
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| 05:55.57 | Tobsn | i tought its 2.6.8-3 |
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| 05:56.02 | jetscreamer | sarge is what, 1.5 years old? |
| 05:56.04 | enouf | there's nothing ion your pastebin about any 2.6.16 or greater |
| 05:56.08 | Tobsn | and proc list said 2.6.16.20 |
| 05:56.10 | jetscreamer | so are all the packages in sarge |
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| 05:56.28 | mezmiro | wow! |
| 05:56.29 | Tobsn | enouf |
| 05:56.30 | Tobsn | # -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1171233 Dec 6 02:16 vmlinuz-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 05:56.35 | Tobsn | ah ok |
| 05:56.40 | Tobsn | 2.6.16 hehe |
| 05:56.41 | enouf | Tobsn: 2.6.16 is newer than 2.6.8 |
| 05:56.42 | Kevin` | there are some unlabeled files there, like "vmlinux" |
| 05:56.47 | CppIsWeird | how do i update all my packages in one shot? |
| 05:56.50 | Tobsn | okay |
| 05:56.55 | Tobsn | so i have the newest one |
| 05:57.07 | Kevin` | CppIsWeird apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:57.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:57.07 | Tobsn | why is my system then still so fucked up... damn... |
| 05:57.09 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 05:57.15 | enouf | Tobsn: you're running it now, but I don't see it listed in your lilo conf |
| 05:57.22 | jetscreamer | vmlinux is 'probably' a symlink |
| 05:57.23 | Tobsn | jetscreamer, everything ok. i did this 30 mins ago |
| 05:57.31 | jetscreamer | err linuz |
| 05:57.36 | Kevin` | if it was a symlink it woul dhave a -> |
| 05:57.48 | Tobsn | yep |
| 05:57.51 | Tobsn | its no symlink |
| 05:57.55 | Kevin` | or be the same size as the others =p |
| 05:57.55 | enouf | Tobsn: dgpk-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.16.20 should handle that maybe |
| 05:58.02 | jetscreamer | Tobsn: no that was for another |
| 05:58.08 | jetscreamer | the dist thing |
| 05:58.14 | Tobsn | ah ok |
| 05:58.53 | jetscreamer | i have an hd for windows fixes :) |
| 05:58.55 | enouf | Tobsn: the settings in teh file /etc/kernel-img.conf are what matters here |
| 05:59.24 | Tobsn | do_symlinks = No |
| 05:59.24 | Tobsn | do_initrd = Yes |
| 05:59.25 | Tobsn | thats all |
| 05:59.40 | jetscreamer | heh... mine is a lot longer |
| 05:59.47 | Kevin` | why are you using an initrd? |
| 05:59.50 | enouf | Kevin`: that's an excellent way to check your baandwidth actually .. then ofcourse rm -rf |
| 05:59.58 | Tobsn | Kevin` was set by default |
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| 06:00.02 | Kevin` | hehe enouf |
| 06:00.06 | Tobsn | from the hosters default debian image |
| 06:00.10 | Kevin` | Tobsn are you building custom kernels? |
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| 06:00.16 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 06:00.21 | jetscreamer | # See kernel-img.conf(5) for details do_symlinks = yes relative_links = yes do_bootloader = no do_bootfloppy = no do_initrd = yes link_in_boot = no |
| 06:00.29 | Kevin` | if so, I wouldn't use an initrd unless you have a specific need for it |
| 06:00.45 | Kevin` | it's useful for the distro kernels because not all filesystem and device drivers are loaded for each system |
| 06:00.48 | jetscreamer | man kernel-img.conf ah yeah |
| 06:00.49 | Tobsn | kevin, while apt-get dist-upgrade run it told me to add this |
| 06:00.52 | enouf | Kevin`: yeah I though so too about custom, since .20 doesn't seem to indicate a stock rolled |
| 06:00.56 | Langly1 | grr I am looking for a list of kernels for use on my dual proc box and not finding one |
| 06:01.09 | r4nge | does port 110 need to be open in order to run a mail server? |
| 06:01.18 | Kevin` | r4nge no |
| 06:01.18 | Tobsn | r4nge yep |
| 06:01.22 | Langly1 | finding the instructions to change the kernel hasnt been a problem, finding the names for them is being a biach |
| 06:01.24 | enouf | Tobsn: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 06:01.26 | Kevin` | 110 is for pop3 iirc |
| 06:01.26 | jetscreamer | Langly1: i don't know when it started, but stock kernel images are all smp enabled |
| 06:01.27 | Tobsn | 110 is imap or? |
| 06:01.31 | litage | when compiling software, how do you use the "-j" option to take advantage of multiple CPUs/cores? |
| 06:01.33 | mezmiro | pop3! |
| 06:01.35 | Tobsn | enouf i just used apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:01.45 | Kevin` | unless you run pop3, you don't need it open :) |
| 06:01.45 | r4nge | hmm, no...yes? |
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| 06:01.49 | Langly1 | jetscreamer hmm cause its only seeing one cpu |
| 06:01.50 | Kevin` | do you? |
| 06:01.51 | Tobsn | http://nopaste.info/a2b5e1837c.html <- dist upgrade |
| 06:01.53 | r4nge | ok, i have 25 open |
| 06:02.10 | Kevin` | 25 is definitely needed, that's the one used for sending and recieving mail |
| 06:02.12 | Langly1 | and on one install the debian installer actually let me PICK my kernel on install, the same CD has not done the same again |
| 06:02.15 | mezmiro | Depends if you want to use it as a mail client too. |
| 06:02.25 | r4nge | not atm |
| 06:02.46 | enouf | Tobsn: well see your documentation for lilo, follow what jetscreamer pointed out in reviewing then manpages, and get busy ;-) |
| 06:02.51 | mezmiro | You shouldn't need pop3 then, but it shouldn't be too big of a deal to use it later on. |
| 06:02.54 | Tobsn | http://nopaste.info/4e4ca18bbe.html |
| 06:02.56 | jetscreamer | Langly1: grep SMP /boot/config-whatever |
| 06:03.00 | r4nge | k, tx |
| 06:03.10 | Tobsn | enouf... hmm i have not the plan about all this... i just tried to keep the server up3date... |
| 06:03.12 | Tobsn | up2date |
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| 06:03.39 | Tobsn | see the last paste, it told me to add this... made sense for me because he added the initrd into the /boot/ dir |
| 06:03.46 | enouf | Lamperi: all kernels after 2.6.17/18 are SMP ready |
| 06:03.46 | Tobsn | (why ever) |
| 06:03.52 | enouf | er Langly1 |
| 06:03.53 | jetscreamer | Langly1: i don't think the sarge cd comes with an smp enabled kernel though.. can't swear.. ah there we go |
| 06:03.55 | Kevin` | enouf all debian kernels? |
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| 06:04.06 | enouf | Kevin`: er yes ;-) |
| 06:04.09 | enouf | !nie |
| 06:04.10 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: See what's New In Etch http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch .. changes from Sarge, technical issues when doing a Sarge2EtchUpgrade, etc .. ask me about <initramfs>, and see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch .. See current and past issues; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 06:04.15 | Kevin` | enouf is there a performance loss from including that on non-smp systems? |
| 06:04.19 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:04.25 | jetscreamer | no Kevin` |
| 06:04.26 | Langly1 | it was a minmal live cd that made the offer |
| 06:04.44 | Langly1 | never did it again though |
| 06:04.45 | enouf | Kevin`: it get's installed during installation if it's an SMP CAPABLE BOX |
| 06:04.54 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:04.57 | enouf | sorry .. stuck SHIFT key |
| 06:05.39 | Langly1 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ hmm no SMP kernel even showing there wtf |
| 06:05.49 | enouf | Langly1: if you want a newer kerenl then /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 06:05.54 | nick009 | hi all, i have a problem with my cd drive now not being detected, it seems the correct links are now missing for some reason, it did work orignally but recently stoped working, |
| 06:05.57 | jetscreamer | kernel.org has kernel source |
| 06:06.01 | jetscreamer | not packages |
| 06:06.12 | Langly1 | enouf I just need SMP |
| 06:06.23 | Kevin` | why is .18 uses instead of .17 or .19 or .20? |
| 06:06.31 | jetscreamer | <enouf> Langly1: if you want a newer kernel then /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 06:06.33 | nick009 | i tried the makedev command but that does not seem to work it typed makedev -m |
| 06:06.43 | enouf | Kevin`: i said .17/18 and greater |
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| 06:07.02 | jetscreamer | .18 is the latest debnian kernel afaik |
| 06:07.17 | jetscreamer | deb nee ahn |
| 06:07.27 | enouf | .18 is Etch latest stable |
| 06:07.35 | jetscreamer | it's sid's too afaik |
| 06:07.53 | enouf | the kernel team is naturally working on .20/.21 kernels |
| 06:08.02 | jetscreamer | and upgrades at the sametime |
| 06:08.24 | enouf | jetscreamer: yes .. but you can obtain greater from (you know where) |
| 06:08.49 | Kevin` | kernel.org, or ? |
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| 06:09.06 | enouf | Kevin`: no specific debian repos |
| 06:09.21 | enouf | Kevin`: meant for testing things like this ;-) |
| 06:09.27 | Kevin` | ooh secrets unstable debian |
| 06:09.29 | Kevin` | I wants :) |
| 06:09.31 | jetscreamer | i got bored compiling kernels though |
| 06:09.49 | jetscreamer | my box is too slow |
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| 06:10.02 | Kevin` | do you have more then one box? |
| 06:10.05 | Kevin` | if so, distcc |
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| 06:10.09 | jetscreamer | man somebody compiled one in like 5 minutes the other day and it takes me 20 or 30.. :( |
| 06:10.15 | chrisvv2 | any good site on heimdal ? |
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| 06:10.47 | mezmiro | #debian, where all your linux secrets are revealed :D |
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| 06:11.33 | Langly1 | cccccat /proc/cpuinfo only shows one cpu so jetscreamer it doesnt look like it is running smp |
| 06:11.52 | enouf | Kevin`: /join debian-kernel on oftc.net or chekc the devel mailing lists at lists.debian.org |
| 06:11.55 | Guerin | Langly1: an actual smp machine, or hypethreading? |
| 06:12.00 | jetscreamer | Langly1: grep SMP /boot/config-<TAB> |
| 06:12.02 | DocPlatypus | okay, I recently did a Debian GNU/Linux install on a friend's new laptop |
| 06:12.08 | Kevin` | Guerin either one would show >1 cpu listing |
| 06:12.16 | Langly1 | dual processor, yes actual smp |
| 06:12.17 | Guerin | Kevin`: not necessarily. |
| 06:12.23 | Guerin | Langly1: ok. |
| 06:12.31 | DocPlatypus | and I'm having a couple of issues. one, USB ports go out after a while with something like "irq 7: nobody cared" and a register dump |
| 06:12.32 | Kevin` | well I have single processor HT, and it does :) |
| 06:12.42 | Guerin | Kevin`: i have, too, and it doesn't |
| 06:12.48 | Guerin | not that i care |
| 06:12.51 | Kevin` | sure ht is enabled? |
| 06:12.55 | Langly1 | my old quad pentium pro showed more than one |
| 06:12.57 | Guerin | quite sure. |
| 06:13.05 | DocPlatypus | and I'm also stumped as to why suspend and hibernate don't work. maybe a permissions problem I overlooked |
| 06:13.36 | DocPlatypus | note, it's not the computer I'm on, I would only have shell access to it at the moment |
| 06:14.00 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 06:14.14 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
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| 06:14.28 | nick009 | so can anyone help me to get the system to detect my cdrom drive again? |
| 06:14.47 | jetscreamer | i know my fuckin toe hurts |
| 06:14.52 | Kevin` | nick009 what caused it to fail, did you check the cables and bios detection? |
| 06:17.21 | nick009 | no it is a software prob, it used to work but somehow the device link etc or something was removed and now it wont find it, it works fine win windows |
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| 06:17.41 | Kevin` | nick009 if the device link was removed that's a very simple matter to re-add |
| 06:17.50 | maddash | jetscreamer: podiatrist. |
| 06:17.50 | Kevin` | are you sure the kernel is detecting it? does it show in dmesg? |
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| 06:18.57 | nick009 | sorry im a newbe but what is dmesg |
| 06:19.03 | Kevin` | it's a command |
| 06:19.04 | maddash | !dmesg |
| 06:19.04 | dpkg | methinks dmesg is print or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time. `dmesg' shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 06:19.19 | Kevin` | that says it well.. |
| 06:19.20 | jetscreamer | it shows you up to where it does the runlevel |
| 06:19.35 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 06:19.37 | Tobsn | damnit. |
| 06:19.42 | Tobsn | libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed <- how can i update this? |
| 06:19.51 | Tobsn | libc6 says its already installed the newest version |
| 06:20.08 | markybob | Tobsn, look at what it says. it needs an older version |
| 06:20.18 | Tobsn | hmmm |
| 06:20.25 | Kevin` | are you using DSL? |
| 06:20.37 | markybob | Tobsn, get an updated package of whatever it is you're trying to install. |
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| 06:20.46 | Tobsn | marky ffmpeg |
| 06:20.46 | Langly1 | keeping it simple with "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp" |
| 06:21.02 | Langly1 | lower machine, dont really need to compile myself |
| 06:21.12 | Langly1 | havent used linux is ages either |
| 06:21.14 | markybob | !debian-multimedia |
| 06:21.14 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
| 06:21.17 | Kevin` | Tobsn are you using the proper repos from the distro/debian version your using, more importantly? |
| 06:21.21 | Langly1 | was only just learning it before |
| 06:21.24 | Langly1 | got it goin though |
| 06:21.25 | Langly1 | thanks |
| 06:21.55 | markybob | Tobsn, make sure you dont have stable set when you're really running etch |
| 06:22.00 | markybob | Tobsn, etc |
| 06:22.10 | nick009 | yes thank you guys actually this system has 2 cd drives but only one ever showed .. until it was removed some how. |
| 06:22.13 | Tobsn | debian-multimedia sucks btw. |
| 06:22.13 | Tobsn | Failed to fetch http://ftp.hol.gr/pub/mirror/debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 06:22.15 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 06:22.23 | nick009 | ok i checked dmesg |
| 06:22.26 | nick009 | Probing IDE interface ide1... |
| 06:22.27 | Guerin | Tobsn: that's you sucking |
| 06:22.29 | nick009 | hdc: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 06:22.29 | nick009 | hdd: AOPEN DVD1648/AAP, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 06:22.33 | Tobsn | prob too yes. |
| 06:22.40 | markybob | Tobsn, you're blaming the entire system for a bad mirror? c'mon |
| 06:22.40 | nick009 | so it sees them both? |
| 06:22.42 | mezmiro | I've discovered there are worse things than seg faults... |
| 06:22.45 | mezmiro | yes indeed. |
| 06:22.56 | Kevin` | nick009 if you have two cd drives and only one ever showed in either linux or windows you should check the jumpers, but it looks like both are there.. |
| 06:23.16 | jetscreamer | Tobsn: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list <--more like that syntax |
| 06:23.21 | nick009 | both showed in windows only one showed in linux |
| 06:23.34 | Kevin` | well they both seem to be there |
| 06:23.41 | Tobsn | markybob, that was a joke |
| 06:23.45 | Kevin` | do the files /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd exist? |
| 06:23.50 | Crypticfortune | question: i know it's a security hole, but is there some way to make like a root login not require a password when logging on from a serial port? (reason why: my pam settings keep breaking (i dont know why), and it sucks to have to reboot into gentoo to get root to fix it) |
| 06:24.18 | Kevin` | Crypticfortune either have no password set, or have the getty run a shell instead of login. the latter is probably a better idea |
| 06:24.47 | Crypticfortune | Kevin`: thanks. i'll try the latter ;) |
| 06:25.08 | Kevin` | if you are using mingetty there's an --autologin option apparently |
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| 06:25.42 | nick009 | no they dont |
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| 06:26.11 | Kevin` | mknod /dev/hdc b 22 0 |
| 06:26.15 | Kevin` | mknod /dev/hdd b 22 64 |
| 06:26.24 | Kevin` | it's odd they are missing, there's no good reason for that |
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| 06:27.11 | nick009 | maybe a update did it? i will try what you just said |
| 06:27.23 | Kevin` | well an update didn't do it for me =p |
| 06:27.30 | Kevin` | and if your using normal debian.. |
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| 06:27.55 | Kevin` | well, that should create the files |
| 06:28.06 | Archville | Hi. Any way to execute the <Alt>F2 dialog from the gnome-terminal ? I press <Alt+F2> but it doesn't open. The shortcut is ok on gconf-editor. |
| 06:29.21 | nick009 | ok did that |
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| 06:29.29 | Kevin` | try to use them |
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| 06:30.00 | nick009 | yes files are there now.. |
| 06:30.28 | tensor | hello, i've just finished my installation using the net install cd, my unit has two NICs, but only one eth0 was detected, how do i add the other one? eth1? |
| 06:30.54 | mezmiro | Hmm..how do I kill X in a terminal? |
| 06:30.59 | Kevin` | normally it will be eth1 yes. do you have the driver needed for it? |
| 06:31.16 | zoredache | tensor: if the network card was detected by the kernel all you would have to do is update the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:31.30 | markybob | i would give my left testicle to not have to program for windows anymore |
| 06:31.41 | nick009 | ok i get the cd rom link to point to /dev/hdc and get this error |
| 06:31.41 | tensor | zoredache: eth1 is not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:31.42 | Kevin` | tensor also keep in mind ifconfig will only list active interfaces unless you use the -a option |
| 06:31.46 | Kevin` | ifconfig -a to list all |
| 06:32.02 | tensor | Kevin`: ifconfig doesn't list eth1 also |
| 06:32.08 | nick009 | mount: cant find /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab,, |
| 06:32.16 | Kevin` | tensor even with -a? |
| 06:32.23 | zoredache | what do you get when you do a 'ifconfig eth1' |
| 06:32.26 | tensor | although lspci -v | grep net shows the two cards |
| 06:32.29 | Kevin` | nick009 you didn't give it a directory to mount in |
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| 06:32.44 | tensor | zoredache: device not found |
| 06:33.18 | zoredache | ok, well that would indicate that you need to load a module, or download and compile a driver... |
| 06:33.32 | tensor | zoredache, Kevin`: i have to nics, one is an on-board intel, the other is a pci d-link |
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| 06:33.50 | tensor | zoredache: hmm, i was hoping debian had a default compatible driver |
| 06:33.54 | Kevin` | MOST all ethernet cards are supported by in-kernel drivers, most likely all you have to do is install it from the repos |
| 06:34.05 | Langly1 | gggood now both cpu's show in cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:34.22 | Kevin` | tensor what does lspci say the two nics are, btw? |
| 06:34.26 | zoredache | d-link uses several different chipsets... you would need to figure out what specific kernel module you need |
| 06:34.44 | tensor | Kevin`: ok, i think i'll do just that |
| 06:35.18 | Kevin` | there's no such thing as a default network driver.. unless your using efi I suppose :) |
| 06:35.20 | tensor | Kevin`: D-Link DFE-530TX+ 10/100 and Intel Corp. |
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| 06:36.07 | Kevin` | tensor you got that output from dmesg? |
| 06:36.09 | Kevin` | erm |
| 06:36.11 | Kevin` | lspci* |
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| 06:36.34 | Crypticfortune | Kevin`: well "getty -L -l /bin/bash ..." didn't work... |
| 06:36.39 | zoredache | google seems to suggest that you need the 'via' module for that... try a 'modprobe via' |
| 06:36.49 | Kevin` | google shows that card as bieng based on this: Rtd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ |
| 06:36.57 | tensor | Kevin`: yes |
| 06:37.13 | Kevin` | tensor can you show the ids please from lspci -n? |
| 06:37.58 | tensor | Kevin`: the intel card is unknown one -> "Unknown device 1094 (rev 01) |
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| 06:38.49 | Kevin` | eh which is it not detecting.. |
| 06:38.50 | enouf | tensor: run update-pciids |
| 06:39.04 | Kevin` | tensor does lsmod list anything with "8139"? |
| 06:39.21 | nick009 | ok i put the right pointers in fstab |
| 06:39.29 | enouf | though it may be an ether1394 device? |
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| 06:39.42 | Kevin` | nick009 you don't need to do that if you don't want to, you just have to give a directory to mount |
| 06:39.46 | Crypticfortune | oh maybe "-n" is also required... not very clear how -n makes a difference when -l is in effect....but... |
| 06:39.58 | nick009 | i click on the cd icon and get this error. mount:/dev/hdd is not a valid block device |
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| 06:40.11 | Kevin` | Crypticfortune I had it working a long time ago with standard getty, but I forget how.. sigh |
| 06:40.19 | tensor | Kevin`: lsmod list shows 8139too |
| 06:40.33 | Kevin` | tensor ok then I suspect strongly the intel one is not detected |
| 06:40.38 | Tobsn | hmm looks like it works now... just http://nopaste.info/735a242c4e.html wont install :( |
| 06:40.45 | Kevin` | tensor can you show the pci ids for it please from lspci -n? |
| 06:40.51 | mezmiro | x.x |
| 06:40.51 | enouf | nick009: does cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info list both hdd and hdb? |
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| 06:41.29 | enouf | tensor: /msg dpkg which driver .. visit the site |
| 06:41.58 | Kevin` | intel is normally very good for linux drivers |
| 06:41.59 | tensor | Kevin`: got this -> 0000:04:08.0 0200: 8086:1094 (rev 01) |
| 06:42.16 | mezmiro | Yay invalid frequency range :D I love my monitor. |
| 06:42.24 | tensor | enouf: ok, will try that |
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| 06:42.58 | Kevin` | 107e 82572EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Fiber) |
| 06:43.12 | nick009 | CD-ROM information, Id: cdrom.c 3.20 2003/12/17 |
| 06:43.22 | Kevin` | 8086 1094 PRO/1000 PF Server Adapter |
| 06:43.36 | Kevin` | wtf & fiber? |
| 06:43.37 | enouf | Tobsn: what's apt-cache policy libc6 say (pastebin it) and what's cat /debian_version say , paste here.. |
| 06:44.22 | Tobsn | enouf, http://nopaste.info/fee7535690.html |
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| 06:45.22 | markybob | Tobsn, told you werent on pure sarge :) set your debian-multimedia repository to sid and you'll be fine |
| 06:45.42 | Tobsn | im not on sarge? |
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| 06:46.00 | Tobsn | since when? |
| 06:46.14 | markybob | Tobsn, since you added sid to your sources.list. you're in a bastardized mix |
| 06:46.23 | enouf | bastage :-P |
| 06:46.29 | Tobsn | oh |
| 06:46.31 | enouf | !break Tobsn |
| 06:46.32 | Tobsn | i added sid |
| 06:46.33 | Tobsn | damn |
| 06:46.45 | Tobsn | damn |
| 06:46.52 | mezmiro | hehehe |
| 06:46.55 | Tobsn | what if i just use sid? |
| 06:46.56 | Tobsn | hehe |
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| 06:46.59 | nick009 | so what to do now? :( |
| 06:47.32 | Tobsn | no idea |
| 06:47.35 | tensor | Kevin`: how do proceed from there? |
| 06:47.58 | enouf | <nick009> CD-ROM information, Id: cdrom.c 3.20 2003/12/17 <-- is that what cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info says? .. does it list BOTH? |
| 06:48.00 | markybob | Tobsn, do what i said and hope sid doesnt break on you. eventually it will, but there's nothing you can do now that you've made the plunge |
| 06:48.11 | mezmiro | It seems like there's no clean way to do a downgrade. |
| 06:48.20 | markybob | !downgrade |
| 06:48.21 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 06:48.28 | mezmiro | :D I knew it! |
| 06:48.37 | Kevin` | tensor it seems odd that the device id i'm seeing for it is for gigabit fiber.. unless that's correct. I might look at the board itself and see what it really is :) |
| 06:48.52 | nick009 | that what it says |
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| 06:49.11 | tensor | Kevin`: it's only the 10/100 variant, i think |
| 06:49.11 | enouf | nick009: I think you have a udev issue .. and you should not need tio manually MAKEDEV, nor mknod, i would remove whatever you made and let udev make them .. |
| 06:49.24 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 06:49.25 | Kevin` | tensor oh, you'd know if it was fiber, heh |
| 06:49.58 | Kevin` | just go read the id off the chip, and find the driver for it |
| 06:50.02 | tensor | Kevin`: :D |
| 06:50.03 | enouf | nick009: you don't see any info like this below that? --> drive name: hdd hdb |
| 06:50.03 | enouf | drive speed: 48 40 |
| 06:50.13 | tensor | Kevin`: ok, will do, thanks |
| 06:50.19 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 06:50.21 | Tobsn | looks fine |
| 06:50.23 | enouf | nick009: then your udev, dbus, and hal are all screwed up |
| 06:50.25 | nick009 | how do i do that? |
| 06:50.31 | Tobsn | only problem now is: ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:50.49 | enouf | nick009: what's cat /debian_version say? |
| 06:51.01 | markybob | Tobsn, if you dont know enough about debian to figure out that kinda thing...you should reinstall into sarge |
| 06:51.06 | enouf | nick009: er ..what's cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 06:51.50 | nick009 | root@bertlinux:~# cat /debian_version |
| 06:51.51 | nick009 | cat: /debian_version: No such file or directory |
| 06:51.59 | Tobsn | oh damn. |
| 06:52.02 | arrenlex | /etc/debian_version |
| 06:52.10 | enouf | nick009: ewas a typo ..what's cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 06:52.21 | Tobsn | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:52.21 | Tobsn | 4.0 |
| 06:52.25 | Tobsn | hmm whats that? :P |
| 06:52.33 | markybob | Tobsn, etch |
| 06:52.34 | enouf | Tobsn: we know what you have a;lready :-P |
| 06:52.38 | Tobsn | thats etch? |
| 06:52.45 | markybob | Tobsn, we've already covered this, damnit |
| 06:52.46 | nick009 | 4.0 |
| 06:52.49 | enouf | mine says that too .. i'm on sid |
| 06:52.49 | Tobsn | i ever tought thats sarge... man... |
| 06:52.55 | markybob | Tobsn, you added sid to your sources.list and fucked yourself |
| 06:53.00 | Tobsn | yep. |
| 06:53.09 | enouf | nick009: ok .. and cat /proc/version says what? |
| 06:53.12 | arrenlex | Tobsn: Are you trying to downgrade to edgy? That's easy. |
| 06:53.12 | Tobsn | so can somehow please repair this... hehe. |
| 06:53.20 | arrenlex | Tobsn: etch *** |
| 06:53.25 | arrenlex | Don'tkillmeIdon'trunubuntu |
| 06:53.28 | liquidfx | which version is testing/unstable? |
| 06:53.39 | enouf | 4.0 |
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| 06:54.06 | nick009 | Linux version 2.6.18.1-kanotix-1 (root@linux) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 29 15:15:15 EST 2006 |
| 06:54.12 | Tobsn | so i cant downgrade.. is this right? |
| 06:54.15 | maddash | 4.1.1-19 |
| 06:54.25 | enouf | loca|host: it used to say testing/unstable until ~ beta3 was available for Etch |
| 06:54.28 | Guerin | nick009: you lose. |
| 06:54.35 | enouf | er matbe beta1 .. i fiorget |
| 06:54.39 | enouf | maybe* |
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| 06:54.57 | enouf | !tell nick009 -about based on debian |
| 06:55.05 | mattfury | does debian come with an option to install lirc? |
| 06:55.26 | Tobsn | hmm |
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| 06:55.31 | mattfury | lirc[d]* |
| 06:55.50 | liquidfx | mattfury: it's in the apt repositories |
| 06:55.55 | MavTK | has anyone installed the new Xserver 7.2 yet? |
| 06:56.31 | markybob | mattfury, apt-cache search lirc |
| 06:56.33 | mattfury | yeah im about to first time install debian with a 8mbit net connection :D |
| 06:57.02 | Kevin` | nice |
| 06:57.12 | enouf | MavTK: that'd only be from exp repos afaik |
| 06:57.14 | arrenlex | Tobsn: You're trying to downgrade to etch? |
| 06:57.15 | mattfury | just one problem, the laptop gets net, i dont :( |
| 06:57.24 | Tobsn | dont know |
| 06:57.28 | Tobsn | i think yes |
| 06:57.36 | mattfury | anyone know howto split cable in two and still be usable? |
| 06:57.39 | mezmiro | My monitor is on the fritz! |
| 06:57.46 | arrenlex | Tobsn: ...you think? xD What problem are you having? |
| 06:57.49 | MavTK | exp repos afaik? |
| 06:57.51 | Guerin | mattfury: carefully |
| 06:57.56 | Tobsn | it works all fine at the moment |
| 06:57.58 | mezmiro | I selected the wrong refresh rate, does anyone know the best way to reset it? |
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| 06:58.04 | liquidfx | split cable into two? what do you mean? |
| 06:58.07 | Guerin | mattfury: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 06:58.23 | mattfury | lan cable into two things |
| 06:58.24 | Tobsn | the only thing that doesnt work is libglib2.0-0, it wont upgrade |
| 06:58.33 | Tobsn | http://nopaste.info/735a242c4e.html |
| 06:58.36 | mattfury | eh dont worry |
| 06:58.46 | mezmiro | Could I run something to detect what my monitor settings should be? I know the installer does that, but I don't know if that will accept the changes. |
| 06:58.56 | nick009 | so any more ideas on how to fix my prob ? :) |
| 06:59.19 | mattfury | man i never use my laptop anymore so much, it has all this crap on it :P |
| 06:59.24 | Guerin | mezmiro: i told you |
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| 07:00.29 | MavTK | has anyone successfully got dual head display to work with a Radeon 9200 series card? |
| 07:00.47 | mezmiro | o.O Where Guerin? |
| 07:00.57 | mattfury | MavTK, no, and general rule of thumb, ATi + *nix = :( |
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| 07:01.11 | Guerin | mezmiro: i told mattfury |
| 07:01.12 | enouf | mezmiro: install hwinfo, then run hwinfo --monitor |
| 07:01.12 | Guerin | sorry |
| 07:01.12 | mattfury | try #ati |
| 07:01.17 | Guerin | mattfury: bollocks |
| 07:01.20 | mezmiro | ahh okay. |
| 07:01.38 | mattfury | propiertariey bollocks :) |
| 07:01.51 | Guerin | mattfury: only if you want 3d - and only on a new card |
| 07:01.56 | MavTK | #ati |
| 07:01.59 | Guerin | mattfury: whereas nvidia's is for ALL cards |
| 07:02.34 | enouf | mezmiro: there is .. but /msg dpkg set up x ... is what Guerin meant to tell you |
| 07:02.36 | mattfury | can you tell me if i use an outdated netinstall cd, will it give all the old settings or download the *new* ones? |
| 07:02.45 | Guerin | mattfury: old |
| 07:02.50 | mattfury | bastard |
| 07:02.55 | enouf | MavTK: do NOT use an older CD |
| 07:02.58 | mattfury | my cd-rom carced it |
| 07:03.01 | enouf | er mattfury |
| 07:03.04 | mattfury | RAM* |
| 07:03.15 | MavTK | I downloaded the newest Release of etch |
| 07:03.24 | enouf | sorry MavTK |
| 07:03.30 | MavTK | wrong person? |
| 07:03.34 | enouf | yes |
| 07:03.38 | Guerin | MavTK: no, you didn't - since it hasn't been released |
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| 07:04.06 | MavTK | the daily built one? |
| 07:04.10 | jetscreamer | nightly is the word, MavTK |
| 07:04.11 | enouf | mattfury: go get a dialy build of netinstall .. /msg dpkg today |
| 07:04.13 | mattfury | what base settings will it install? |
| 07:04.14 | jetscreamer | or daily yeah |
| 07:04.15 | MavTK | lol |
| 07:04.39 | MavTK | i've been getting the daily/nightly builds |
| 07:04.43 | mattfury | enouf, will he dcc it? |
| 07:04.45 | mezmiro | enouf: So I assume I can just run hwinf --monitor, see the options, and then edit /etc/X11/XF86-Config accordingly? |
| 07:04.53 | enouf | mattfury: huh? |
| 07:05.00 | jetscreamer | yes cept it's hwinfo |
| 07:05.04 | mattfury | dpk* dcc daily builds? |
| 07:05.10 | jetscreamer | !tell mezmiro -about hwinfo |
| 07:05.17 | enouf | mezmiro: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 07:05.19 | MavTK | and the fglrx drivers from ati don't support the kernel etch uses |
| 07:05.37 | MavTK | and my OpenGL works fine using the ati drivers for xorg |
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| 07:05.40 | enouf | mezmiro: that's how to reconfigure X settings ;-) |
| 07:05.45 | MavTK | but i can't get my dual display to work right |
| 07:06.02 | MavTK | i sued to be able to have it auto detech my monitors and now it won't |
| 07:06.09 | MavTK | used* |
| 07:06.33 | enouf | mezmiro: what's dcc? |
| 07:06.37 | MavTK | and detect* |
| 07:06.48 | Guerin | !dcc |
| 07:06.48 | dpkg | well, dcc is a protocol used for sending files on IRC. <asuffield> I suggest burning all people who offer dcc connections, or The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse or DCC is a cooperative, distributed system intended to detect "bulk" mail or mail sent to many people. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ or see <dcc alliance> |
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| 07:07.03 | mattfury | gah i remember what i was trying to do last month, trying to setup a tftp and onboot network with windows :p |
| 07:07.16 | mattfury | its impossible (almost) to pxe boot :( |
| 07:07.27 | enouf | mattfury: sorry .. I meant mezmiro |
| 07:07.39 | enouf | damn eMMMMs |
| 07:07.43 | Kevin` | pfft, it's hardly impossible |
| 07:07.58 | mattfury | on windows? |
| 07:08.01 | Kevin` | oh, boot WINDOWS? |
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| 07:08.05 | Kevin` | that's another story :) |
| 07:08.10 | nick009 | so is there a command to get linux to fix my cdrom prob? |
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| 07:08.25 | mattfury | no, boot debian from a windows-based PXE lan server :P |
| 07:08.36 | mattfury | =impossible |
| 07:08.50 | Kevin` | mattfury oh, why windows based? but it shouldn't be any harder then putting the proper files on the tftp server |
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| 07:09.14 | Kevin` | which would consist of a properly configured kernel image |
| 07:09.30 | enouf | nick009: ask #kanotix please .. not us |
| 07:09.31 | Kevin` | I do tftp boot all the time for embedded stuff |
| 07:09.38 | Kevin` | he's not using debian? |
| 07:09.43 | enouf | nope |
| 07:09.50 | dondelelcaro | mattfury: that's when I make a screensaver which has a windows screenshot and reinstall the server |
| 07:09.59 | mattfury | lol |
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| 07:10.30 | dondelelcaro | (or replace the windows server with a 5 year old celeron) |
| 07:10.31 | mattfury | just imagine moving mouse .. thinking to yourself .. bastard got me again! |
| 07:11.00 | dondelelcaro | mattfury: the mouse? hahahaha. |
| 07:11.02 | liquidfx | ummmm Kanotix is a debian base |
| 07:11.04 | mattfury | dondelelcaro, *cough* i have 2.5ghz celeron .. *cough* |
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| 07:11.20 | Kevin` | !debian based |
| 07:11.21 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 07:11.55 | mattfury | just use damnsmall imo |
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| 07:12.22 | nick009 | strang because in synapic all the repos are debian |
| 07:12.31 | mattfury | can i ask? who maintains that long list of faq's? |
| 07:12.45 | mattfury | the !question |
| 07:12.51 | enouf | we all do |
| 07:12.55 | mattfury | !joke |
| 07:12.55 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 07:13.00 | mattfury | lol |
| 07:13.19 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:14.46 | pabs3 | anyone know of low-level tools to read data DVDs? I've a DVD here, qpxtool claims it has two tracks, but k3b, cat and so on all seem to only be able to read the second tiny track instead of the first (big) one with all the data |
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| 07:16.01 | dondelelcaro | pabs3: just use session=foosession |
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| 07:18.28 | mattfury | [/longpause] |
| 07:19.42 | tensor | Kevin`: i updated to etch, and everything works fine now |
| 07:19.44 | enouf | pabs3: file -s /dev/hdX should give you info about mixed-data .. might need to modprobe udf perhaps.. dunno what you got on there, nor how it was made/authored |
| 07:19.50 | mezmiro | When things go wrong, there's always reinstall! |
| 07:19.58 | tensor | *updated = upgraded :D |
| 07:20.11 | pabs3 | dondelelcaro: ah, not sure what you mean. anyway, qpxtool says both tracks are in the same session |
| 07:20.43 | Kevin` | tensor ya, etch of course has newer drivers :) |
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| 07:21.38 | dondelelcaro | pabs3: uh... they can't be |
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| 07:23.08 | kjxxxx | someone suggested I used grml to fix my bad hard drive |
| 07:23.08 | dondelelcaro | at least, I've no clue how you could do that |
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| 07:23.25 | kjxxxx | I downloaded it and find that there isn't much info on it |
| 07:23.53 | kjxxxx | does anyone know what I need to do to run badblocks? |
| 07:24.05 | streuner | man badblocks? |
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| 07:24.31 | enouf | kjxxxx: you should consider checking with smartmontools as well |
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| 07:25.00 | enouf | kjxxxx: if the drive isn't ancient .. |
| 07:25.14 | Kevin` | normally it's not worth trying to "fix" a broken hard drive, unless the problem really is transient. just confirm that it is indeed broken and get a new one |
| 07:25.36 | kjxxxx | ok. I have an old laptop |
| 07:25.50 | kjxxxx | with 2G hard drive |
| 07:26.04 | kjxxxx | has anyone ever used GRML |
| 07:26.09 | enouf | forget smartmontools then :-P |
| 07:26.19 | mezmiro | But before you get a new one, open it up and look at the shiney platter :D |
| 07:26.21 | Kevin` | smartmontools might still work |
| 07:26.26 | kjxxxx | its similar to DSL I guess |
| 07:26.36 | kjxxxx | how do I get to the commands |
| 07:26.36 | Kevin` | SMART is NOT a new standard |
| 07:26.47 | Kevin` | kjxxxx smartctl |
| 07:26.47 | enouf | yeah .. good luck ;-P |
| 07:26.56 | kjxxxx | lol |
| 07:27.13 | pabs3 | dondelelcaro: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/screenshots/qpx.png |
| 07:27.15 | streuner | prolly not for a 2 GB HD... |
| 07:27.22 | Kevin` | kjxxxx if it's using a standard laptop-type ide connector you might want to just replace it with something better anyway :) |
| 07:27.31 | streuner | its too old, they didn't use smart much |
| 07:27.55 | Kevin` | the first PC computer I got, a pentium 75 with a 2gb hard drive, supported smart |
| 07:27.59 | Kevin` | not that DOS/windows did |
| 07:28.05 | kjxxxx | here is my problem. I have no floppy drive and it does not boot from CDROM |
| 07:28.24 | Kevin` | how are you booting it then |
| 07:28.24 | kjxxxx | so I have to connect the drive to a desktop via USB |
| 07:28.35 | Kevin` | ah, usb won't give very useful info |
| 07:28.38 | Kevin` | connect it directly |
| 07:28.47 | Kevin` | you can't run direct ata commands over most usb |
| 07:28.54 | Kevin` | (needed for smart) |
| 07:29.31 | pabs3 | dondelelcaro: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/screenshots/qpx2.png |
| 07:29.44 | kjxxxx | I can install but when it does I get via USB but when I put it back in the labtop it crashes |
| 07:29.47 | kjxxxx | kernel panic |
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| 07:30.12 | streuner | kjxxxx: what kind of laptop? |
| 07:30.35 | kjxxxx | So I partition 50 megs in windows and put debian boot commands there |
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| 07:31.01 | streuner | ig mention that |
| 07:31.14 | streuner | via HD install |
| 07:31.15 | kjxxxx | then start it and use the grub thats still there from the bad install to install the new |
| 07:31.45 | kjxxxx | but then I get to a point where I can't install network stuff |
| 07:31.59 | kjxxxx | it does not recognize the card |
| 07:32.17 | streuner | kjxxxx: what kind of laptop? |
| 07:32.50 | kjxxxx | Streuner: Compaq LTE 5300 |
| 07:33.19 | kjxxxx | its a board I get from bestbuy |
| 07:33.25 | kjxxxx | it works |
| 07:33.36 | Kevin` | enouf the extra pins are just power, so it doesn't look too bad actually :) |
| 07:33.39 | kjxxxx | I have no problem hooking it up USB wise |
| 07:34.07 | kjxxxx | on the desktop with the Debian. It is recognized and I readeable |
| 07:34.20 | Kooka | cya all |
| 07:34.26 | Kevin` | kjxxxx why don't you just use qemu to install directly to the drive |
| 07:34.46 | kjxxxx | what is QUMU? |
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| 07:34.51 | kjxxxx | qemu |
| 07:34.53 | Kevin` | qemu* |
| 07:35.00 | kjxxxx | I am new to this thing by the way |
| 07:35.03 | Kevin` | it's an emulator like vmware and others |
| 07:35.10 | Kevin` | opensource, and good at this kinda thing |
| 07:35.13 | Teratogen | QEMU? |
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| 07:35.23 | kjxxxx | well I messed with Redhat like 6-7 years ago |
| 07:35.28 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:35.38 | kjxxxx | ah |
| 07:35.47 | kjxxxx | so how do I get it to work |
| 07:35.49 | Kevin` | you'd run qemu, have it use the usb drive as the first ata drive, and the iso image as the cdrom, and install normally |
| 07:36.07 | kjxxxx | see first I have to be able to boot which is my biggest problem |
| 07:36.15 | Kevin` | I don't think you understand |
| 07:36.24 | Kevin` | you do this from the desktop with the hard drive attached with usb |
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| 07:36.50 | Kevin` | so you can have a working debian install before you put it back |
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| 07:37.37 | kjxxxx | the problem is it crashes at the console installation when I put it back |
| 07:39.09 | kjxxxx | it has the USB listed as a sda drive instead of hda is one of the problems with using the USB |
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| 07:46.19 | tuvwx | how do i configure two different X servers running on the same machine to use two different gnome sessions? |
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| 07:53.13 | capiira | hmmm anyone know something like vmware ? |
| 07:53.30 | H2S04 | umm VMware |
| 07:53.31 | H2S04 | ? |
| 07:53.33 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 07:53.40 | H2S04 | I make VMware disks with Qemu |
| 07:53.49 | H2S04 | then use VMware to install whatever I want |
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| 07:54.00 | capiira | im searching for a software like vmware |
| 07:54.13 | capiira | if there exist one |
| 07:54.52 | capiira | and yeah the VmWaRe virtual machine software! :) |
| 07:55.01 | kjxxxx | h2so4: second person to talk about QEMU |
| 07:55.24 | flaminguican | Hey guys, just wondering, why would fontconfig be giving me an error (cannot load default config file) during the installation? |
| 07:55.39 | kjxxxx | where I get this QEMU from? |
| 07:55.51 | enouf | kjxxxx: instead of wastin money on usb adpaters and such .. go buy yourself a nice new HDD http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=380&name=Notebook-Laptop-Hard-Drives ;-) |
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| 07:56.19 | capiira | http://www.qemu.org/ |
| 07:56.38 | enouf | kjxxxx: apt-cache search qemu |
| 07:56.41 | capiira | but qemu is a emulator, right? |
| 07:56.59 | streuner | !qemu |
| 07:57.00 | dpkg | from memory, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
| 07:57.05 | capiira | vmware maps real available hardware |
| 07:57.06 | enouf | the E stands for emulation capiira |
| 07:57.12 | tuvwx | capiira, qemu can do what vmware does, from a user's point-of-view |
| 07:57.49 | flaminguican | Basically, I just select the option to install the desktop environment and during the install, it outputs errors regarding fontconfig |
| 07:58.04 | tuvwx | capiira, and with its kernel module, i think it does virtualization as well |
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| 07:58.20 | capiira | ohh ok then let me read more about this |
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| 07:59.06 | enouf | capiira: you through out the homepage link already .. but http://www.qemu.org/kqemu-tech.html |
| 07:59.30 | capiira | ahh yeah |
| 07:59.43 | capiira | thx |
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| 08:03.23 | enouf | capiira: if your cpu supports VT , then you can consider http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki stuff , however seems to be a work in progress |
| 08:03.59 | capiira | nah its a older pentium |
| 08:04.05 | capiira | p4 |
| 08:04.35 | capiira | but good to know |
| 08:04.50 | concept10 | where does the DDs hang out? |
| 08:04.55 | concept10 | what channel |
| 08:05.14 | capiira | DDs? |
| 08:05.19 | kjxxxx | oh yah. I don't have a job to buy a new decend hd |
| 08:05.32 | streuner | concept10: why? |
| 08:05.39 | kjxxxx | plus it might be overkill for my little old laptop |
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| 08:06.25 | streuner | kjxxxx: the easiest thing would be an USB-Stick |
| 08:06.27 | concept10 | streuner, I want to find out about something I read on the lists that disturbs me |
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| 08:07.14 | streuner | so just subscribe to the ML and ask there? |
| 08:07.18 | kjxxxx | enouf: I will kill the hard drive dead before I buy a new one. Have to get a good install before I spend anymore money |
| 08:07.42 | kjxxxx | USB not available on my old laptop |
| 08:08.55 | Supaplex | when packages are no longer installed, but still recorded as p (purge) ala dpkg -l, how can I wipe the slate? apt-get clean, and apt-get autoclean still keep this data around. Is there any reasons I should keep track of packages I didn't want to use from long ago? |
| 08:09.04 | concept10 | streuner, okay, I will do that |
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| 08:10.29 | simonrvn | Supaplex: purge means exactly that, it's not there anymore. it'll show in dpkg -l regardless what you do |
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| 08:11.05 | Supaplex | alrighty |
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| 08:13.28 | narma | hello, I'm using debian testing. I wonder if loading initrd at boot time is necessary ? after Grub, the kernel is loading "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-486" and after the initrd "initrd /initrd |
| 08:13.46 | narma | "initrd /initrd.img.2.6.18-3-846" |
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| 08:14.36 | narma | My system is installed on a USB2 external hard drive and it takes a long time to load the initrd (it is like before loading initrd, it was USB1) |
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| 08:14.55 | narma | what is initrd for ? can I remove it ? |
| 08:16.00 | mezmiro | Jesus tapdancing christ... |
| 08:16.20 | streuner | !initrd |
| 08:16.21 | dpkg | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 08:16.21 | mezmiro | So I guess Etch doesn't like my monitor after all. |
| 08:16.54 | simonrvn | Supaplex: btw, that applies as long as it's available, if it isn't then it won't show anymore |
| 08:17.03 | streuner | narma: no |
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| 08:17.56 | narma | streuner, so there is no way to not have initrd ? what is it for ? |
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| 08:18.40 | narma | maybe it is possible to slim it ? |
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| 08:18.48 | valdyn | narma: initrd is not big |
| 08:18.50 | streuner | initrd has all modules which isn't part what compiled directly into kernel... |
| 08:19.58 | narma | valdyn, my initrd 4.2Mo |
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| 08:20.12 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd |
| 08:20.13 | valdyn | narma: exactly, why would that take long to load? |
| 08:20.30 | narma | and as I say it like my USB disque is USB1 before initrd is loaded. So 4.2Mo for USB1 it's big ;) |
| 08:20.45 | valdyn | 4 seconds? |
| 08:21.14 | simonrvn | 4 seconds to load a 4 MB initird? wth |
| 08:21.19 | simonrvn | initrd* |
| 08:21.42 | narma | I know it's strange but it's more tha 4" |
| 08:21.44 | valdyn | usb1 is 10mbit/sec ? |
| 08:22.05 | Supaplex | 12 |
| 08:22.19 | simonrvn | i would expect it to go much faster than 4 seconds |
| 08:22.31 | Supaplex | 12mbit but not 12Mbit |
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| 08:22.47 | simonrvn | 12 millibits? |
| 08:23.01 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 08:23.18 | narma | so maybe I juste haveto rebuild my kernel to include modules into the vmlinuz and create a initrd as small as possible ? |
| 08:23.24 | Supaplex | yea, nm that statement. what I meant to say is 12mbit != 12mb/s |
| 08:23.33 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 08:23.39 | valdyn | narma: you don't need an initrd with a custom kernel |
| 08:23.44 | enouf | narma: try messing with your bios boot options first |
| 08:23.58 | narma | enouf, I already look :( |
| 08:23.59 | simonrvn | unless you're doing funky stuff |
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| 08:24.35 | simonrvn | but if you're doing your own custom, and doing funky stuff, you already know what you're doing, or should ;) |
| 08:25.45 | Supaplex | there's nothing wrong with using initrd. it has its place. it's a little involved, and solves some interesting challenges. be prepared to educate yourself if you need anything spiffy/special/clever etc, like simonrvn says. :) |
| 08:27.06 | narma | valdyn, but I think I need an initrd in order to wait my USB harddriv is detected isn't it ? |
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| 08:28.20 | valdyn | narma: no, not with a custom kernel |
| 08:28.25 | narma | ok thanks :) |
| 08:29.05 | narma | So I have to rebuild my own kernel with USB support into it and no initrd |
| 08:29.53 | enouf | narma: wgich kjrnel verison? |
| 08:30.11 | enouf | wow .. typosmite |
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| 08:30.21 | narma | vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-486 |
| 08:30.29 | narma | I'm using debian testing/etch |
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| 08:31.46 | numist | where are the linux-kernel-headers installed by default? they dont seem to be in /usr/src/ |
| 08:32.10 | streuner | usually there should be there... |
| 08:32.10 | enouf | narma: you use mkinitramfs, if you want to rebuild your initrd (can try some of that 1st) which can be customized too, ...or recompile the kernel with appropriate support and use no initrd if you like |
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| 08:32.53 | capiira | check the package properties |
| 08:32.57 | numist | streuner: ... reinstall headers? |
| 08:33.13 | capiira | then you find out where they are |
| 08:33.14 | streuner | numist: dpkg -l | grep headers |
| 08:33.30 | streuner | numist: dpkg -L <package> |
| 08:33.32 | enouf | numist: they are there in /usr/src |
| 08:34.06 | enouf | numist: dlocate linux-headers-XXXXX |
| 08:34.29 | numist | huh, looks like /usr/include |
| 08:34.30 | numist | weird |
| 08:34.47 | numist | (dpkg -L says so, at least) |
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| 08:35.04 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:35.39 | enouf | numist: my bad .. yes linux-kernel-headers are in /usr/iblude, |
| 08:35.41 | numist | installed, v2.3.5.ds1-13 |
| 08:35.43 | enouf | include |
| 08:35.58 | numist | streuner: ^ |
| 08:36.29 | numist | hrm, damn script is complaining that the versions arent exactly correct.. is it going to make me compile vanilla? gah |
| 08:36.34 | enouf | numist: linux-headers however are in /usr/src .. symlink stuff happenings i supporse |
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| 08:37.37 | enouf | numist: wayttd? |
| 08:37.55 | enouf | numist: yeah .. install linux-headers tehn |
| 08:37.57 | numist | dpkg: wayttd? |
| 08:37.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 08:38.00 | numist | ahh |
| 08:38.04 | numist | vmware-tools |
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| 08:38.49 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.08 | capiira | but you need to install first |
| 08:39.54 | numist | ya, thanks |
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| 08:47.11 | mattfury | lol http://darkgate.net/comic/images/xkcd/1169795025.png |
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| 08:56.45 | Supaplex | !tell deg0nz|weq -about away |
| 08:56.52 | enouf | numist: fwiw .. I think sometimes the issue might be that /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 08:58.34 | mattfury | http://darkgate.net/comic/images/xkcd/1171003398.png |
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| 08:58.38 | mattfury | hehehehe |
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| 09:01.18 | enouf | Supaplex: deborphan and debfoster may hlp you clean out some cruft, supposedly aptitude has this built-in, IINM (also removes and depends that were pulled in) |
| 09:01.49 | enouf | s/and/any |
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| 09:02.17 | Supaplex | well, I purged amavis ages ago, and the dpkg -l status just annoyed me, that's all. |
| 09:02.27 | karsten | enouf: IINM? |
| 09:02.29 | enouf | !disclosuresmite karsten |
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| 09:02.37 | enouf | !iinm |
| 09:02.53 | karsten | enouf: I already tried that (not the smite). |
| 09:03.05 | enouf | dpkg: iinm is If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 09:03.06 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
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| 09:03.56 | karsten | enouf: So much for that idea. |
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| 09:04.35 | enouf | was it a pleasant interlude? |
| 09:04.58 | karsten | enouf: It involved much sweating and grunting and a shower afterward. |
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| 09:05.17 | enouf | karsten: ahh .. smoke 'em if you got 'em |
| 09:05.27 | karsten | enouf: I was at the gym ;-) |
| 09:05.38 | enouf | light up ;-) |
| 09:05.49 | karsten | Insert insufficient lube joke here. |
| 09:06.05 | karsten | (As in: I only smoke when...) |
| 09:06.09 | sander_m | Hello. I have a question about the kernel: What is the difference between the -xen kernel and the -xen-vserver kernel? |
| 09:06.30 | enouf | apt-cache show <pkgname> |
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| 09:07.07 | karsten | sander_m: I see kernel headers but no kernel for that. |
| 09:07.15 | karsten | !tell deg0nz about auto-away |
| 09:07.24 | sussudio | %fist deg0nz |
| 09:09.05 | karsten | sander_m: Which specific packages are you referring to? |
| 09:09.05 | sander_m | karsten: My Etch install shows linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 packages. |
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| 09:09.20 | karsten | sander_m: Right, just found those. |
| 09:09.26 | sander_m | karsten: Their descriptions are identical however. |
| 09:09.34 | karsten | sander_m: I noticed that too. |
| 09:10.28 | kjxxxx | hey I downloaded the file mentioned earlier qemu on my windows box |
| 09:10.29 | karsten | sander_m: Xen is a hypervisor, a xenified kernel is modified to run under the Xen hypervisor using paravirtualization, and isn't dependent on hardware virtualization support (eg: Intel's VT stuff, similar from AMD), with the bonus that it runs faster than HW virt. |
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| 09:10.40 | kjxxxx | but I have no clue what to do with it now |
| 09:11.27 | karsten | sander_m: virtual servers are a sort of lightweight virtualization mechanism similar to, say, Sun containers or chroots, but a bit more than that. I suspect the xen-vserver image has both Xen and vserver capabilities in it so you can run linux virtual servers under Xen. |
| 09:11.57 | karsten | kjxxxx: What are you hoping to accomplish? What file? I missed earlier discussion. |
| 09:12.24 | kjxxxx | I would like to fix my harddrive and install debian on it |
| 09:12.44 | sander_m | karsten: Two virtualizations in the same kernel? E.g. running multiple vserver guests inside a Xen domU guest? |
| 09:12.44 | karsten | kjxxxx: qemu enters into this how? |
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| 09:13.09 | karsten | sander_m: You get different benefits/features from each. |
| 09:14.09 | karsten | sander_m: Xen guests run in fully seperate spaces, can run different kernels (or even OSs), and can be started/stopped or migrated live to another Xenified host. |
| 09:14.19 | kjxxxx | I have a laptop with no floppy drive and it does not boot from CDROM |
| 09:14.34 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 09:14.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 09:14.38 | sander_m | karsten: Okay, thank you. A different question: How can I see what modules are supported by the kernel? I'm specifically looking if Xen domU guests (using the -xen kernel) can support running nfs-kernel-server. |
| 09:15.07 | karsten | sander_m: virtualservers exist under a single Linux kernel, but can share memory (xen is limited to segmenting the available real memory). |
| 09:15.17 | karsten | kjxxxx: One sec. I'm reading lastlog. |
| 09:15.18 | kjxxxx | I manage to get debian on it but I when I try to install the netwrk card I get bad disk |
| 09:15.34 | streuner | kjxxxx: well, if your HD is gone too, just try an USB-Stick (if the BIOS supports that) |
| 09:15.40 | karsten | sander_m: the kernel config file, from the package, /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 09:15.52 | kjxxxx | its an old machine |
| 09:15.59 | kjxxxx | it does not have USB port |
| 09:16.14 | karsten | kjxxxx: Currently running Windows or Linux? |
| 09:16.16 | fireba11 | kjxxxx: taht's not old, that ancient |
| 09:16.28 | kjxxxx | I am chatting on a windows box |
| 09:16.32 | streuner | throw that into trash |
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| 09:16.50 | karsten | kjxxxx: Is that the system you're trying to install on? |
| 09:16.54 | karsten | streuner: Be helpful. |
| 09:17.10 | streuner | karsten: in order to have less headaches? |
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| 09:17.25 | kjxxxx | when I did the install I put the drive on a USB and connect it to the windows. Partition it and load debian boot disk on the first 50 megs |
| 09:17.48 | kjxxxx | then installed from there |
| 09:17.49 | sander_m | karsten: Thanks. I found it. I presume that an =m setting in the config means that it can be loaded as a module? |
| 09:18.36 | kjxxxx | it seems to have some bad sectors so I would like to have that fixed then re-install |
| 09:18.37 | karsten | sander_m: Yes |
| 09:18.56 | Snuggls | hmm.. |
| 09:19.21 | sander_m | karsten: Great. Thanks for all your help :-) |
| 09:19.21 | karsten | kjxxxx: Given your limitations this is going to be tough. The qemu option is one you can use. There's also a Debian installer (new, experimental) which starts from Windows. |
| 09:19.21 | karsten | sander_m: NP |
| 09:19.27 | karsten | kjxxxx: ... if I can remember the damned website. |
| 09:20.06 | karsten | Anyone? Something like "goodbye-microsoft.org"? |
| 09:20.34 | karsten | kjxxxx: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 09:20.39 | karsten | God bless Rick Moen. |
| 09:20.42 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html#windows |
| 09:20.48 | kjxxxx | I have a desktop with debian installed |
| 09:20.49 | wols_ | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 09:20.57 | kjxxxx | is it going to be any better there |
| 09:21.10 | wols_ | kjxxxx: how much RAM? |
| 09:21.11 | Supaplex | there's goodbye-windows.com to |
| 09:21.11 | karsten | kjxxxx: Um. So why are you trying to install Debian on it? |
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| 09:22.30 | kjxxxx | I have 32 megs of RAM |
| 09:22.41 | Supaplex | ouch |
| 09:22.44 | pabs3 | dondelelcaro: dvd+rw-mediainfo says the track type is "invisible" :/ |
| 09:22.49 | karsten | http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/squeeze/goodbye+girl_20129086.html |
| 09:23.04 | wols_ | use puppylinux or damn small linux |
| 09:23.10 | enouf | pabs3: file -s /dev/hdX should give you info about mixed-data .. might need to modprobe udf perhaps.. dunno what you got on there, nor how it was made/authored |
| 09:23.15 | karsten | wols_: Can't boot CD. |
| 09:23.22 | enouf | pabs3: maybe |
| 09:23.26 | karsten | wols_: ... of you're referring to kjxxxx |
| 09:23.36 | streuner | wols_: Can't boot via USB (no USB either) |
| 09:23.43 | wols_ | karsten: edbian won't be happy, period |
| 09:23.50 | karsten | kjxxxx: 32 MB is pretty damned minimal. |
| 09:24.05 | karsten | wols_: Not graphical. It'll install and he may even be able to run aptitude update. |
| 09:24.09 | wols_ | console only maybe |
| 09:24.19 | streuner | sure |
| 09:24.22 | enouf | use the lowmem= kernel boot param |
| 09:24.26 | karsten | kjxxxx: I'm thinking this is looking like a very poor installation prospect. |
| 09:24.33 | streuner | you don't have much fun with 32 MB (sarge) |
| 09:24.47 | Supaplex | just put init=/bin/sh and have fun ;) |
| 09:24.54 | enouf | but 32MB might not even be enough .. not sure where the cutoff point id |
| 09:24.55 | kjxxxx | you guys are killing my dream |
| 09:24.58 | enouf | er is* |
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| 09:25.16 | Supaplex | there's floppylinux |
| 09:25.22 | wols_ | kjxxxx: there are distros for your low memo sitution |
| 09:25.25 | wols_ | like puppy or DSL |
| 09:25.38 | kjxxxx | what can they do |
| 09:25.51 | Supaplex | or that wirless one hehe |
| 09:25.52 | wols_ | they can be optimized for memory usage |
| 09:25.55 | pabs3 | enouf: just a dvd where wodim panicked before fixation and then the person burning did "wodim -fix" afterwards |
| 09:25.58 | kjxxxx | I have 2 Gigs of Hard drive on this puppy |
| 09:26.03 | pabs3 | enouf: file says nothing |
| 09:26.10 | karsten | kjxxxx: If you want to run Linux on that box, you can. However it's going to be horribly limited, sounds like you've got broken HW likely, and is going to be a bitch to get going. |
| 09:26.14 | streuner | well, if he wants to use any modern browser, such distros doesn't help him much anymore |
| 09:26.15 | wols_ | harddisk is not RAM |
| 09:26.54 | karsten | kjxxxx: If you can find yourself a 500MHz - 1GHz box with 128-512MB RAM and 10-80 GB HD, you're going to be a lot happier. |
| 09:27.06 | wols_ | streuner: no "Modern browser" runs well in 32mB |
| 09:27.16 | Supaplex | kjxxxx: the debian installer has a 'low memory' option, you might use that, and format you a swap partition PDQ, and hope for the best. |
| 09:27.19 | streuner | "telnet" :-P |
| 09:27.21 | wols_ | karsten: that's already overkill |
| 09:27.23 | Supaplex | netcat! |
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| 09:27.27 | karsten | kjxxxx: Used I tend to get that kind of kit thrown at me, or you can pay ~$50-$100. Hell, double that and you can buy a new box. |
| 09:27.52 | karsten | Supaplex: uuencode over zmodem! |
| 09:27.57 | kjxxxx | well. whats the fun in buying a new box |
| 09:28.18 | karsten | kjxxxx: Depends what tickles your silly bone. |
| 09:28.41 | Supaplex | kjxxxx: what type of memory does it take? |
| 09:28.47 | karsten | kjxxxx: FWIW, I've installed Debian on a 486 with 64 MB, 512 MB HD. |
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| 09:28.56 | karsten | kjxxxx: Made a decent firewall until the HD died. |
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| 09:28.59 | kjxxxx | I don't know |
| 09:29.09 | karsten | kjxxxx: Typing at console was like dialup on any other box though. |
| 09:29.14 | enouf | pabs3: apologies . no idea then .. maybe loop mount it |
| 09:29.38 | kjxxxx | why cant I run some emulation or something on it |
| 09:29.49 | wols_ | karsten: I ran router, irssi, samba, ftp, apache, and I think a mailserver on such a 486. worked fine |
| 09:29.54 | Supaplex | karsten: I have a fw with 128mb ram and a 256mb / (cf card). tmpfs on /tmp and sundry places to keep dpkg+friends happy. |
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| 09:30.07 | streuner | kjxxxx: emulation needs much more RAM and faster CPU's to have fun... |
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| 09:30.34 | karsten | wols_: The real problem these days is that there are so many packages in Debian that an aptitude update just kills RAM. So you swap. A lot. |
| 09:30.37 | Knight_Lord | What are the modules in 2.6 required for masquerading? |
| 09:30.38 | wols_ | kjxxxx: emulation of what? |
| 09:31.50 | karsten | wols_: For basic ops, sure, it's fine. SSH is a tad slow due to the crypto overhead. |
| 09:31.53 | wols_ | kjxxxx: I ran sarge and a 2.5 kernel. worked fine |
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| 09:31.53 | Supaplex | rom basic! |
| 09:31.53 | wols_ | kjxxxx: irssi ran over ssh |
| 09:31.53 | karsten | wols_: Remember, BSD got started on something like 4 MHz systems. |
| 09:31.53 | wols_ | plus screen |
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| 09:31.54 | wols_ | grrr. karsten |
| 09:31.54 | Supaplex | !wrt |
| 09:31.54 | dpkg | i guess wrt is with respect to, or with regards to |
| 09:31.54 | karsten | kjxxxx: Yeah, qemu on that's going to absolutely die. |
| 09:32.05 | karsten | wols_: ?? |
| 09:32.07 | wols_ | kjxxxx: dosbox is the most you could run. maybe |
| 09:32.07 | Supaplex | what's that wireless project every linksys bum goes nuts over? |
| 09:32.11 | Supaplex | !openwrt |
| 09:32.19 | karsten | Supaplex: madwifi? |
| 09:32.21 | wols_ | kjxxxx: it was for you, not kjxxxx |
| 09:32.26 | karsten | wols_: Ah. |
| 09:32.30 | wols_ | Supaplex: openwrt.org |
| 09:32.33 | Supaplex | no, openwrt. :) slow recall. |
| 09:32.42 | marinosi | hello..where can i download a netinst of unstable? |
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| 09:32.50 | wols_ | marinosi: nowhere |
| 09:32.53 | wols_ | does not exist |
| 09:32.56 | streuner | openwrt is the open firmware |
| 09:33.14 | streuner | for routers |
| 09:33.18 | Supaplex | but it's linux+initrd or something like that. do they have an x86 release? |
| 09:33.18 | marinosi | etch and then upgrade to unstable? |
| 09:33.24 | wols_ | yes |
| 09:33.27 | Supaplex | marinosi: correct. |
| 09:33.33 | wols_ | Supaplex: what for? |
| 09:33.46 | Supaplex | for kjxxxx :) |
| 09:33.52 | kjxxxx | ok. Seems. I'll have to come back later to some other OS |
| 09:34.01 | wols_ | there are tons of router distros. no need for another one for x86 |
| 09:34.18 | kjxxxx | I thought linux brought back life to old boxes |
| 09:34.27 | marinosi | unfortunately i ve installed fbsd to my laptop but yet my ipw3945 is not supported and i have to come back to debian again:S |
| 09:34.43 | streuner | wols_: router distros aren't what openwrt make |
| 09:34.49 | Supaplex | kjxxxx: sure, takes work though. |
| 09:35.04 | wols_ | kjxxxx: and realistic expectations |
| 09:35.15 | wols_ | streuner: what do they make then? |
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| 09:35.27 | wols_ | well firmwares it's called in thsi case I guess |
| 09:35.56 | Supaplex | But I want my 386sx16 to transcode mpeg2 to mpeg4 in real time! |
| 09:36.02 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 09:36.18 | Kevin` | get a hardware mpeg4 encoder |
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| 09:36.28 | Supaplex | for what, isa? |
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| 09:36.35 | Kevin` | what else =p |
| 09:36.47 | wols_ | Supaplex: gte a PCI2ISA bridge first then |
| 09:37.14 | Supaplex | let's hope the bus can keep up |
| 09:37.19 | marinosi | could you please tell me : for an intel core 2 duo is better amd64 or i386? |
| 09:37.37 | Sero | Hi, I have a server that does not bring up the network cards on boot. However, they come up when I run ifup eth0 and eth1 --- where can I start searching for the reason= |
| 09:37.49 | Supaplex | !interfaces |
| 09:37.49 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 09:38.04 | wols_ | Sero: /etc/network/interfaces and your logs. mssages and syslog |
| 09:38.24 | Supaplex | I bet the auto lines are missing... |
| 09:38.32 | kjxxxx | ok. So how can I install debian using Qemu from my windos box |
| 09:38.33 | marinosi | anybody? |
| 09:38.35 | wols_ | probably |
| 09:38.51 | kjxxxx | on the labtop hardrive via USB connection |
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| 09:39.25 | wols_ | marinosi: depends on you. unless you have >4GB they're pretty much the same mostly |
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| 09:40.11 | streuner | kjxxxx: i thought on that laptop isn't USB? |
| 09:40.19 | marinosi | wols_: no speed differrence?only more virtual address space? |
| 09:40.29 | Supaplex | marinosi: ram starts to clip around 3.2gb c/o pci mmio on 32bit. 64bit has lesser support for non-free/contrib misc (eg, flash?) etc. |
| 09:40.57 | kjxxxx | its not |
| 09:41.04 | kjxxxx | I put the drive on my USB |
| 09:41.23 | Supaplex | marinosi: 64bit is noticably faster with video transcoding, and some other cpu intensive operations. |
| 09:41.36 | Supaplex | but only slightly, iirc. |
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| 09:42.07 | Sero | is there any need for allow-hotplug eth0 when the device is on the motherboard? |
| 09:42.23 | wols_ | the question is: do you do enough 64bit work to make it worth the hassle of browser plugins and other crappy closed source software? |
| 09:42.38 | kjxxxx | I have decided to install DSL on it |
| 09:42.50 | wols_ | kjxxxx: good luck |
| 09:43.00 | kjxxxx | :-) |
| 09:43.17 | kjxxxx | you say that like that's another 2 all nighter |
| 09:43.54 | Sero | etc/network/interfaces seems ok, and I cannot find any errors in the logs... they just don't start up automatically |
| 09:44.46 | Ronin | kjxxxx: may i suggest shopping around for better hardware? may be easier on your head |
| 09:45.08 | liable | Sero: do you have an 'auto eth0' line?? |
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| 09:47.54 | prometeus | hi, where can i find a (compiled) g_NCR5380.ko ? |
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| 09:50.47 | wols_ | prometeus: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/g_NCR5380.ko |
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| 09:52.08 | kjxxxx | ok |
| 09:52.19 | kjxxxx | later fellows. Thanks for your help |
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| 09:55.45 | cast | hmm, why when i ssh in as root is ~/.profile not run? |
| 09:55.56 | cast | [which results in my PATH being wrong] |
| 09:57.39 | Ronin | why are you sshing as root is my question |
| 09:58.00 | cast | to do things as root. |
| 09:58.45 | wols_ | you ssh as normal user, then use su |
| 09:58.55 | wols_ | a proper sshd won't even allow root logins |
| 09:59.01 | cast | bs. |
| 09:59.13 | Ronin | a properly configured sshd wont |
| 09:59.20 | cast | the question isn't "how can i not ssh in as root" |
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| 09:59.39 | enouf | cast: look at /root/.bash_profile (dotfiles) , but also heed good advice |
| 09:59.43 | cast | and last time i checked Debian and OpenBSD default configs allowed root to ssh in |
| 10:01.03 | cast | enouf: well bash should ready ~/.bash_profile, bash_login and profile AFAIK |
| 10:01.16 | xand | don't ssh as root |
| 10:01.18 | xand | EOF |
| 10:01.25 | prometeus | in my /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/ there's no g_ncr5380 |
| 10:01.40 | cast | hmm, i think i've worked it out :) |
| 10:01.45 | xand | wols_: sadly openssh on debian does allow root logins by default |
| 10:01.51 | prometeus | and compiling g_ncr5380.c gives hundreds of errors |
| 10:02.04 | cast | ssh as root is useful. especially in the context of scp |
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| 10:02.18 | enouf | prometeus: are you using Debian? and not some offshoot? |
| 10:02.18 | xand | mayhaps |
| 10:02.18 | prometeus | <wols_> :( |
| 10:02.25 | xand | do you use a password or ssh keys? |
| 10:02.27 | prometeus | it's Debian |
| 10:02.38 | cast | ssh keys, i don't like RSI |
| 10:02.38 | prometeus | recently updated with kernel 2.6.18 |
| 10:02.46 | xand | but have you disabled passwords for root? |
| 10:02.53 | enouf | prometeus: it'll be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/scsi/g_NCR5380.ko |
| 10:02.54 | prometeus | (linux-image && linux-source) |
| 10:03.20 | xand | PermitRootLogin without-password |
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| 10:03.35 | prometeus | g_NCR5380.ko if it were why modprobe says error ? |
| 10:04.03 | wols_ | cause you maybe don't have a NCR5380 chip? |
| 10:04.15 | wols_ | and if ther is an error we want the exact one |
| 10:04.18 | prometeus | it says file not found |
| 10:04.19 | prometeus | :P |
| 10:04.38 | prometeus | <wols_> i'm under windows atm |
| 10:04.42 | wols_ | prometeus: uname -a? |
| 10:05.01 | wols_ | what kernel version do you run? |
| 10:05.10 | prometeus | 2-6-18-1 |
| 10:05.20 | wols_ | update your kernel |
| 10:05.36 | wols_ | 2.6.18-4 from etch has it. package.debian.org says so |
| 10:06.00 | prometeus | mine is a SARGE :) :P |
| 10:06.02 | enouf | prometeus: grep SCSI /boot/config-(uname -r) | grep NC |
| 10:06.04 | enouf | CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380=m |
| 10:06.04 | enouf | CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380_MMIO=m |
| 10:06.10 | wols_ | prometeus: then youa ren't running a debian kernel |
| 10:06.40 | prometeus | linux-image aren't debian kernel ? apt-get linux-image-xxxxxxxx ? |
| 10:06.40 | wols_ | prometeus: and 2.6.3-3 from sarge has it too btw |
| 10:06.57 | enouf | that's from 2.6.16 ;-) |
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| 10:07.06 | wols_ | prometeus: I don't know where you got that kernel from, probably backports, but 2.6.18 is NOT in sarge and never will be |
| 10:07.17 | enouf | and obviously so does 2.6.8 |
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| 10:08.03 | wols_ | so either ger a debian kernmel, a _proper_ backport or compile your own. those are your choices |
| 10:08.06 | prometeus | I installed SARGE, then after 5 months upate kernel - that's all |
| 10:08.08 | prometeus | .P |
| 10:08.24 | enouf | cat /proc/version prometeus |
| 10:08.46 | wols_ | prometeus: you lied. this kernel is not from a debian repository, period |
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| 10:09.03 | prometeus | ? |
| 10:09.07 | enouf | ?? |
| 10:09.10 | wols_ | at least not from a sarge one |
| 10:09.22 | enouf | !!! |
| 10:09.23 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 10:09.29 | prometeus | i did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18, that's all i know |
| 10:09.35 | wols_ | prometeus: 2.6.18 is not in sarge, never was, nevre will be. so either you don't run sarge or you got it from some other place than debian |
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| 10:09.50 | prometeus | <wols_> prometeus: 2.6.18 is not in sarge, never was, nevre will be. so either you don't run sarge or you got it from some other place than debian - i know sarge got 2.6.8 |
| 10:09.56 | enouf | mix-n-match |
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| 10:10.16 | scanf | meh |
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| 10:11.01 | wols_ | how remote? |
| 10:11.02 | *** part/#debian atilaX (n=atilax@251.Red-217-127-103.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:11.13 | scanf | like 30 Ks away |
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| 10:11.32 | wols_ | someone over there that can press the red button? |
| 10:11.42 | scanf | nope |
| 10:12.01 | wols_ | bummer |
| 10:12.08 | scanf | shops closed due to the Friday-5:00 phenomenon :) |
| 10:12.55 | scanf | but I just got this email saying somethinglike "can you look at it Monday?" |
| 10:12.57 | enouf | scanf: can you clear out /tmp and make sure you have no lingering processes runnning |
| 10:13.13 | scanf | I can't do anything right now. |
| 10:13.20 | scanf | I can't get in. |
| 10:13.48 | scanf | It *does* respond to ping |
| 10:13.50 | enouf | scanf: I mean on your side .. in case there was a non-clean disconnect last time .. but just a long shot anyways |
| 10:14.00 | scanf | so it's not completecactus |
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| 10:14.15 | jamey-uk2 | Can someone help me with an apt-get remove problem I have? |
| 10:14.18 | scanf | enouf: ah |
| 10:14.38 | scanf | enouf: The office had the same issue, so I have my doubts |
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| 10:14.47 | enouf | okie |
| 10:14.50 | assasukasse | hi all |
| 10:14.59 | assasukasse | what is the command to remove all the kernels but the one i am using? |
| 10:15.08 | assasukasse | apt-get remove-kernels-all? |
| 10:15.11 | cydork | jamey-uk2: you have to tell more about the problem. |
| 10:15.11 | jamey-uk2 | Can someone help me? |
| 10:15.16 | jamey-uk2 | cydork: thanks |
| 10:15.19 | enouf | jamey-uk2: kist ask |
| 10:15.25 | jamey-uk2 | ok |
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| 10:15.36 | enouf | s/kisk/just |
| 10:15.40 | wols_ | assasukasse: you need to remove them explictily |
| 10:15.40 | jamey-uk2 | I am trying to remove the package lighttpd but it comes up with error "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" |
| 10:15.53 | assasukasse | wols_: oki |
| 10:15.58 | wols_ | jamey-uk2: there are more errors than that before this line |
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| 10:16.05 | assasukasse | i tought was possible via apt-get script |
| 10:16.07 | wols_ | jamey-uk2: this is just a follow up error |
| 10:16.10 | jamey-uk2 | "invoke-rc.d: initscript lighttpd, action "stop" failed." |
| 10:16.32 | wols_ | jamey-uk2: is that httpd running? |
| 10:16.36 | jamey-uk2 | and I understand the server isn't running - I can't get it to run, misconfiguration |
| 10:16.59 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure it to a basic setting, then run it, then uninstall it |
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| 10:17.48 | scanf | !moo |
| 10:17.48 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 10:17.59 | jamey-uk2 | wols_: it just returns same error with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 10:20.24 | wols_ | check its prerm script and edit it (dirty but oh well) |
| 10:20.31 | wols_ | imho it's a bug in the deb |
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| 10:22.40 | itom | hi all; I use gnome with etch; is possible to specify that the "recharging of battery" start only if the battery is at 80%? |
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| 10:23.30 | itom | because if the battery is at 99% start to charge it and I want that only use the ac-power without recharging |
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| 10:25.49 | liable | itom: i know its possible with the newer thinkpad batteries, but i dont think its integrated into gnome as yet |
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| 10:26.52 | bubshait | I thought battery recharge was handled by firmware |
| 10:26.53 | itom | liable, you mean that is a "bios-related" feature? |
| 10:27.15 | itom | I've noticed that apple powerbook charge only if battery is under 95% |
| 10:28.00 | liable | itom: no, acpi via the ibm-acpi module |
| 10:28.42 | itom | so I think that is a feature for preserve the battery for the future to specify the charging low lever |
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| 10:28.46 | itom | *level* |
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| 10:29.18 | perlmonkey | greetings |
| 10:29.34 | liable | you can set the level you want it to charge to, then run an ac after that, to try and preserve the life of the battery |
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| 10:30.34 | MythrilSword | hello all , mind if i bother for a bit of help ? |
| 10:30.47 | wols_ | !tell MythrilSword about ask |
| 10:30.55 | itom | liable, I've not understand, is possible only with ibm thinkpad with ibm-acpi module? with tohsiba isn't possible? |
| 10:31.19 | perlmonkey | I've just bought an Epson AIO (all-in-one printer) and would like to use the scanner in Linux, I'm following through the Scanner Howto and have discovered that I don't seem to have the scanner module support in my kernel as it won't load. Do I have to compile a new kernel (I'm currently using 2.6.8-3-686 stock kernel)? |
| 10:31.50 | wols_ | perlmonkey: what scanner module? |
| 10:31.53 | liable | itom: i only know of the ibm one, see if theres a wiki or something for linux on toshibas |
| 10:32.05 | Edward_TLS | if one PID has Threads: 980 this means it's streading the treads among the amount of cores it's running on right.. ? |
| 10:32.08 | xand | perlmonkey: old nasty kernel :| |
| 10:32.38 | perlmonkey | wols_: kernel/drivers/usb/scanner.o |
| 10:32.49 | perlmonkey | xand: :-/ |
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| 10:33.26 | remoteCtrl | hi, what's the debian equivalen to yast ? |
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| 10:33.43 | xand | what's yast? |
| 10:33.50 | wols_ | xand: suse shit |
| 10:34.00 | Edward_TLS | remoteCtrl, apt-get |
| 10:34.06 | Edward_TLS | well not really.. |
| 10:34.08 | wols_ | remoteCtrl: we use various forms of apt-get and frontends (aptitude, synaptic, etc) |
| 10:34.08 | liable | remoteCtrl: apt-get/aptitude/synaptic |
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| 10:34.23 | perlmonkey | so I guess the only way to get a kernel module is to compile the kernel again? |
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| 10:34.33 | Edward_TLS | well with yast you can do way more the just install new pkg.. |
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| 10:35.05 | cast | use aptitude over apt-get as a general rule |
| 10:35.16 | cast | what does yast do Edward_TLS? |
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| 10:35.38 | Edward_TLS | cast, well is far as I know you can also configure the full system with it |
| 10:35.38 | perlmonkey | can't I just copy scanner.o into my modules folder? |
| 10:35.41 | itom | liable, ok, thanks for the suggests |
| 10:35.53 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my NAT rules? |
| 10:36.02 | Knight_Lord | SNAT 0 -- anywhere anywhere to:EXTERN_IP |
| 10:36.08 | remoteCtrl | i mean i was reading a tutorial on installing a scsi scanner, after modprobe it says "i used yast to create the device" |
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| 10:36.24 | indraveni | hi, can I ask debian server related questions here? |
| 10:36.30 | perlmonkey | sure |
| 10:36.34 | xand | indraveni: no, ask in #debian |
| 10:36.38 | bintut | is it possible to recover a file from an ext3 partition? the pc is still running and didn't reboot it yet. |
| 10:36.48 | Edward_TLS | cast, things like firewall network settings ntp users rc things ect ect... |
| 10:36.53 | indraveni | xammu, I am in #debian only know? |
| 10:37.00 | indraveni | xand, , I am in #debian only know? |
| 10:37.05 | indraveni | #debian |
| 10:37.09 | cast | bintut: depends if you've overwritten where the file is yet |
| 10:37.12 | wols_ | perlmonkey: there is no scanner.ko anymorein later 2.6 kernels |
| 10:37.25 | bintut | cast: nope |
| 10:37.29 | perlmonkey | wols_ ah I see. this howto must be out of date :-/ |
| 10:37.32 | cast | Edward_TLS: not that i know about, maybe the closest you'll get is whatever control panel type thing GNOME and KDE have |
| 10:37.36 | perlmonkey | wols_ what replaces it? |
| 10:37.37 | cast | bintut: is it a text file? |
| 10:37.40 | bintut | cast: just "rm -f file" only |
| 10:37.44 | wols_ | perlmonkey: libusb is used instead |
| 10:37.45 | bintut | cast: yes |
| 10:37.49 | perlmonkey | ah ok |
| 10:38.06 | cast | bintut: then cat /dev/hda|strings|grep [general idea of what to do] |
| 10:38.14 | Edward_TLS | cast, suse with it's gui things.. debian is more hardcore like.. just edit the config file.. ;) |
| 10:38.24 | cast | bintut: that's if you can remember any of the contents |
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| 10:38.46 | wols_ | remoteCtrl: /dev/MAKEDEV or udev |
| 10:38.56 | Edward_TLS | I guess you guys can't help me with the treading question.. ? |
| 10:39.01 | xand | indraveni: indeed. |
| 10:39.05 | bintut | cast: it's a large file.. |
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| 10:39.29 | wols_ | Edward_TLS: threads run on different cores, yes |
| 10:39.40 | indraveni | I installed postfix and now I am facing problem in configuring Courier imap |
| 10:40.04 | fireba11 | indraveni: specify problems |
| 10:40.26 | Edward_TLS | wols_, is there a way to check the overhead if I run more then 2K treads on 4 or 8 cores.. ? |
| 10:40.44 | cast | bintut: only need to remember a single almost unique string from it |
| 10:41.27 | cast | bintut: many ways to skin a cat though, there are undeletion tools for ext2/3, i've never used them. one maybe called unrm |
| 10:41.49 | wols_ | there is no undelete for ext3 |
| 10:42.23 | wols_ | Edward_TLS: dunno |
| 10:42.52 | indraveni | fireba11, I installed postfix, later i installed courier imap, and when I tried to test using telnet localhost 143 |
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| 10:43.12 | indraveni | fireba11, it showed a NO Login failed. |
| 10:43.30 | wols_ | indraveni: run maildirmake for the user you want to login as first |
| 10:43.31 | cast | 'Unlike ext2, ext3 zeroes out block pointers in the inodes of deleted files. It does this to simplify read-write access to the filesystem when the journal is being replayed after an unclean mount. This, however, effectively prevents files from being undeleted. The user's only recourse is to grep the hard drive for data known to signal the start and end of the file.' |
| 10:43.32 | fireba11 | indraveni: you need to configure some things at least ^^ |
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| 10:43.54 | cast | ahhh, looks like you're back to grep then |
| 10:44.20 | indraveni | fireba11, what i need to cinfigure, in the document, there is no much configuration given |
| 10:44.23 | indraveni | which i followed |
| 10:44.42 | indraveni | fireba11, I followed http://www.qmailrocks.org/imap_db.htm |
| 10:44.47 | wols_ | your need to create your Maildirs (unless you use virtual users) |
| 10:44.51 | perlmonkey | sane-find-scanner: found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8 [EPSON], product=0x082f [USB MFP]) at libusb:001:003 :-D |
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| 10:46.06 | fluxdude | anyone know a good tool for generating specified size mixed case alphnumeric random strings? |
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| 10:47.04 | wols_ | fluxdude: pwgen |
| 10:47.29 | indraveni | fireba11, any idea? |
| 10:47.39 | perlmonkey | you guys know everything |
| 10:47.50 | wols_ | indraveni: I told you already |
| 10:48.29 | MythrilSword | I'm running Debian stable, i am unable to see resolutions higher than 800x600, althou i added entries in XF86Config-4 for 1024x768, driver is set to vesa,GPU is a old integrated intel 80** one |
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| 10:48.52 | indraveni | wols_, sorry i dint see your reply, but i did it , it dint work |
| 10:48.59 | wols_ | ManuP: run the non vesa driver for it then |
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| 10:49.16 | Daniel15[Busy] | Does anyone know what would cause a "Operation not permitted" error whilst running apt-get upgrade? |
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| 10:49.22 | Daniel15[Busy] | http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1289 |
| 10:49.40 | MythrilSword | wols_: if that was ment for me , i tried, other drivers provide 640x480 top |
| 10:49.59 | remoteCtrl | bash: udev: command not found <wols_> |
| 10:50.11 | Daniel15 | MythrilSword: You tried the i810 driver? |
| 10:50.13 | ManuP | wols_, you mean indraveni ? |
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| 10:50.31 | dustybin | has anyone here managed to get Gnome Remote Desktop Server (Vino) to tunnel through SSH, no matter what i try Vino doesnt seem to work |
| 10:50.33 | indraveni | wols_, I excuted maildirmake Maildir as root user in the home directory of the user I want to login |
| 10:50.45 | wols_ | indraveni: duh |
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| 10:50.55 | wols_ | indraveni: then the Maildir is owned by root, yes? |
| 10:50.57 | MythrilSword | Daniel15: tried it first, ill VNC there now and re-try |
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| 10:51.07 | indraveni | wols_, no, i canged the ownership to the user |
| 10:51.24 | capiira | hmm just installed gnome 2.16 from experimental :) works fine |
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| 10:51.37 | indraveni | wols_, the ownership is like indraveni:admin |
| 10:51.52 | wols_ | but it needs to be indaveni:indraveni |
| 10:52.15 | indraveni | wols_, there is no group with indraveni, so do i need to create the group and set it? |
| 10:52.46 | wols_ | indraveni: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 10:53.53 | wols_ | remoteCtrl: then /dev/MAKEDEV will exist |
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| 10:54.19 | wols_ | indraveni: well? |
| 10:54.23 | remoteCtrl | /dev/MAKEDEV yes but /dev/MAKEDEV returns nothing, says nothing what kind of device i must create for a scsi scanner? |
| 10:54.43 | badcfe | is an _smp_ kernel to be used for "dual-core" processor? |
| 10:54.53 | indraveni | wols_, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:54.54 | wols_ | badcfe: yes |
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| 10:55.20 | wols_ | indraveni: old etch install? |
| 10:55.26 | indraveni | wols_, yes |
| 10:55.33 | fluxdude | wols_: thanks pwgen looks like exactly what I was looking for |
| 10:56.00 | wols_ | indraveni: debian has a group indraveni when you have a user indraveni. same ID even |
| 10:56.08 | Daniel15 | Can anyone help me with my error whilst running apt-get upgrade? http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1289 |
| 10:56.37 | indraveni | wols_, but, here I created the group named indraveni |
| 10:56.42 | wols_ | Daniel15: check that binary you can't backup for its perms |
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| 10:56.47 | MythrilSword | Daniel15: tried it again , driver change didn't help a bit, still stuck at 800x600 |
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| 10:56.58 | wols_ | ManuP: allocate more memory? |
| 10:57.14 | wols_ | ManuP: how much memory does your video have? |
| 10:57.27 | wols_ | also try 1024x768 at 65k colors |
| 10:57.35 | wols_ | grrr. MythrilSword! |
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| 10:57.41 | indraveni | wols_, what do I need to do now? |
| 10:57.42 | MythrilSword | wols_: mystyped me again ? if so : it's integrated, i gave it 32Mb |
| 10:58.06 | wols_ | MythrilSword: have you told drxx about the amount? |
| 10:58.11 | Daniel15 | wols_: The permissions on that binary look fine... http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1290 |
| 10:58.20 | wols_ | indraveni: find errors messages, e.h. in logs |
| 10:58.31 | Daniel15 | MythrilSword: Sorry, I haven't tried Linux on an integrated graphics card in ages, so I can't help you... |
| 10:58.41 | wols_ | MythrilSword: monitor res too |
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| 10:58.46 | MythrilSword | wols_: i am a almost total newb, drxx stands for ? (and i guess it means i didn't) |
| 10:58.49 | Daniel15 | Check the /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or whatever it's called) file |
| 10:58.55 | wols_ | !tell MythrilSword about drxx |
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| 10:59.44 | wols_ | MythrilSword: and only choose 1024x768 monitor res in there |
| 10:59.52 | MythrilSword | wols_: my bad, i did the reconfigure step each time i changed driver, and tried same by editing conf file manualy , neither helped |
| 11:00.15 | wols_ | !prize perlmonkey |
| 11:00.18 | MythrilSword | wols_: i marked desired res. only, yes |
| 11:00.20 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 11:00.23 | perlmonkey | thanks wols_ |
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| 11:01.44 | wols_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html new etch schedule |
| 11:02.52 | indraveni | wols_, my mail.log file ism having only, LOGIN FAILED, user=indraveni@bosslinux.in, ip=[::ffff:127.0.0.1] line |
| 11:04.16 | wols_ | a10 login username password? |
| 11:05.11 | MythrilSword | Daniel15: i browsed through all X related logs i could find, no errors in them .. |
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| 11:06.04 | Daniel15 | MythrilSword: Sorry, no idea then ;) |
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| 11:06.51 | indraveni | wols_, still the same error |
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| 11:07.00 | indraveni | wols_, a10 NO loin failed |
| 11:07.05 | bintut | thanks cast.. |
| 11:07.24 | Daniel15 | Anyone know about compiling stuff? I'm trying to compile a very old version of MySQL (for testing reasons, I need to test a PHP script with the lowest MySQL version in the requirements), and I'm getting an error: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/1291 |
| 11:07.38 | indraveni | wols_, I will be back in 5 mins, need to attend a call |
| 11:08.12 | Daniel15 | Ah, wait, I think I screwed up my configure line... Let me try it again :) |
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| 11:22.05 | MythrilSword | Daniel15 , wols_ : thx for help you two, i managed to change my resoulution to desired one by removing X and reinstalling/reconfiguring from zero |
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| 11:23.33 | indraveni | wols_, what shall i do now? |
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| 11:24.23 | Led_Zeppelin | My /tmp is 100% full. This is a 512MB filesystem, however there aren't that many files and I know for a fact its not being used. du -k * only shows little files in there. |
| 11:24.28 | Led_Zeppelin | Why is it reporting like that? |
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| 11:24.41 | xand | Led_Zeppelin: hidden files? |
| 11:26.00 | dustybin | ive come to the conclusion there is no possible way to tunnel a ssh VNC session of a local desktop using Gnome Remote Desktop or installing vncserver. If i install vncserver on the target machine it responds with: Warning: debian:0 is taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 11:26.10 | Led_Zeppelin | xand: how do I search for them? find -type f /tmp/ should find them, no? |
| 11:26.35 | xand | yes |
| 11:26.47 | xand | erm |
| 11:26.48 | xand | no |
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| 11:27.02 | xand | find /tmp -type f |
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| 11:27.07 | Led_Zeppelin | xand |
| 11:27.15 | Led_Zeppelin | right, still I see those files, and they are very little |
| 11:27.22 | Led_Zeppelin | find /tmp -type f -ls |
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| 11:34.48 | fluxdude | what's the name for it when you have your dmz, your internal and your public network all on a single firewall? |
| 11:35.10 | Daniel15 | Uhm, a gateway, I guess? |
| 11:35.14 | Daniel15 | I have no idea :P |
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| 11:35.29 | fluxdude | I'm think there must be a name (beside "stupid"), something along the lines of "router on a stick" |
| 11:35.41 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to use fwbuilder to MASQUERADE? |
| 11:35.43 | dustybin | Ive come to the conclusion there is no possible way of VNC'ing over a SSH tunnel of a local desktop on Debian Etch. THe built in Gnome Remote Desktop Server (Vino) does not like being connected through a SSH tunnel. If you install vncserver it cannot VNC the current running local desktop and responds with: Warning: debian:0 is taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock. Im able to VNC through a SSH tunnel by creating another desktop but this takes away the point of bei |
| 11:35.50 | wols_ | there is no dmz in that case |
| 11:35.59 | Knight_Lord | I want to do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE, but using fwbuilder |
| 11:36.04 | Knight_Lord | But I have no idea how to |
| 11:36.06 | wols_ | it's a run of the mill NAT router |
| 11:36.24 | fluxdude | dustybin; of course you can i do it all the time |
| 11:36.31 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: install ipmasq |
| 11:36.39 | dustybin | fluxdude: what vncserver are u using? |
| 11:36.56 | fluxdude | realvnc via module loaded in X |
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| 11:37.15 | Knight_Lord | wols_ I can set it up by hand |
| 11:37.16 | Maerz | flash movies haven't got a sound in my opera |
| 11:37.20 | Maerz | any idea why ? |
| 11:37.25 | dustybin | fluxdude: have u disabled gnomes remote desktop ? |
| 11:37.25 | Knight_Lord | wols_ my problem is setting it up with fwbuilder |
| 11:37.37 | indraveni | wols_, is there any solution for my problem? |
| 11:37.45 | wols_ | Maerz: load snd_pcm_oss |
| 11:37.56 | Daniel15 | Maerz: Have you installed the latest Flash player (version 9, I think)? |
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| 11:38.16 | Daniel15 | Some of the older Flash players had trouble with sound (it only worked sometimes) |
| 11:38.17 | wols_ | indraveni: apt-get install courier-imap, do a maildirmake, done |
| 11:38.18 | indraveni | wols_, in google. i am seeing that debian courier imap, is having some problem,so we need to install from source |
| 11:38.28 | wols_ | that's the usual setup for courier with system accounts |
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| 11:38.30 | indraveni | wols_, that is what I did |
| 11:38.39 | Maerz | Daniel15 i think its the latest, i am not sure, because i can'T remember how i installed it (the tag.gz said opera isn't supported) |
| 11:38.40 | Knight_Lord | wols_ but maybe that's exactly what i'll do |
| 11:38.50 | wols_ | but since you don't even have a indraveni group makes me suspcicious that you installed from knoppix or any other debian based distro |
| 11:38.52 | indraveni | wols_, k, after that , my checking of imap should be using telnet? |
| 11:39.04 | Maerz | wols_ snd_pcm_oss is already loaded |
| 11:39.18 | wols_ | Maerz: /dev/dsp works? |
| 11:39.26 | Maerz | yes |
| 11:39.28 | indraveni | wols_, I created a user with the name indraveni and tring to send mail to that user |
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| 11:39.48 | wols_ | indraveni: and? |
| 11:39.49 | indraveni | wols_, then how the group will be there, unless I create |
| 11:40.14 | wols_ | if you use adduser (or useradd) debian will autoatically create a group indraveni |
| 11:40.21 | indraveni | wols_, its working which made me get confirmed that my postfix is working fine |
| 11:40.21 | wols_ | if it doesn't something is fucked up in your install |
| 11:40.33 | indraveni | wols_, oh |
| 11:40.52 | wols_ | indraveni: where does postfix store the mail when you send it? |
| 11:41.19 | indraveni | wols_, in the mbox of each user |
| 11:41.26 | indraveni | its in /var/mail/.. |
| 11:41.28 | wols_ | where exactly? |
| 11:41.43 | wols_ | aha. so postfix sin't configured right either. where did you create the Maildir? |
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| 11:42.16 | indraveni | wols_, I am also having a mbox file in each user's home directory |
| 11:42.32 | wols_ | again: wrong. courier never ever deals with mbox. ever |
| 11:42.36 | indraveni | wols_, now i created the Maildir in /home/indraveni/ |
| 11:43.09 | wols_ | and? |
| 11:43.52 | indraveni | wols_, and changed the permissions to indraveni |
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| 11:44.15 | indraveni | since there was no group, i crearted the group of indraveni and gave ownership as indraveni:indraveni |
| 11:44.41 | wols_ | the question remains:why wasn't there from the first palce? |
| 11:45.17 | indraveni | wols_, thats what I am wondering |
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| 11:46.54 | indraveni | wols_, ok, there is one more user whose group is created by default |
| 11:47.04 | indraveni | wols_, shall I try with that user? |
| 11:48.18 | indraveni | wols_, even with that user , i am getting the same error |
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| 11:53.03 | liable | how are you creating users? |
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| 11:53.42 | indraveni | liable, using useradd command |
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| 11:54.54 | wols_ | indraveni: full path of the .new directory please |
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| 11:56.51 | indraveni | wols_, which new directory? |
| 11:56.58 | indraveni | Maildir? |
| 11:57.19 | liable | try adduser |
| 11:57.42 | wols_ | no. .new |
| 11:57.56 | wols_ | there is one named that (could be "new" perhaps) |
| 11:58.17 | wols_ | there is a directory named .new or new |
| 11:58.39 | indraveni | wols_, ok i will search where such directory |
| 11:59.17 | wols_ | inside your maildir |
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| 11:59.45 | indraveni | wols_, /home/indraveni/Maildir/new |
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| 12:00.18 | wols_ | and new has what perms and owners? |
| 12:02.11 | indraveni | indraveni:indraveni |
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| 12:05.32 | indraveni | wols_, its is indraveni:indraveni |
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| 12:07.42 | indraveni | wols_, i am using pam as authentication, |
| 12:08.03 | indraveni | wols_, i got the information form the command |
| 12:08.04 | indraveni | wo |
| 12:08.11 | indraveni | wols_, cat /etc/courier/authdaemonrc | grep authmodulelist |
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| 12:11.49 | indraveni | wols_, any solution please? |
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| 12:22.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:22.42 | dpkg | elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
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| 12:29.16 | wols_ | indraveni: I don#t have one |
| 12:29.18 | wols_ | I told you how courier-imap is usually installed. I've done it quite a lot of times |
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| 12:30.14 | amerv | hiii |
| 12:30.23 | indraveni | wols_, then its my bad luck |
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| 12:32.16 | space_ninja | Last time I tried debian, I could't get my soundcard to work, but it just hit me that is could just of been that I wasn't in the audio groupd. Is the first user not in the audio group after the installation? |
| 12:34.12 | rickbot | i had this problem once |
| 12:34.28 | rickbot | i had on-board sound as well as a card |
| 12:35.10 | rickbot | i had to run alsaconf to make the system use the card instead of the on-board |
| 12:35.11 | space_ninja | how did you solve it? |
| 12:35.21 | space_ninja | but I also tried alsaconf and it could't find any soundcard |
| 12:35.43 | space_ninja | now I'm installing gentoo and compiling my own kernel to see it it get's any better |
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| 12:36.16 | rickbot | then thats where your problem is, not because of a group |
| 12:36.27 | space_ninja | damnit |
| 12:36.38 | space_ninja | h well |
| 12:37.07 | space_ninja | I guess I'll use gentoo now :) |
| 12:37.07 | space_ninja | I don't have the effort to change |
| 12:37.09 | space_ninja | but I also don't have the effort to compile :p |
| 12:37.40 | rickbot | i doubt compiling a kernel would change anything |
| 12:37.53 | rickbot | have you run other types of linux |
| 12:37.56 | rickbot | ? |
| 12:38.42 | space_ninja | yes before, but it was a long time ago and I don't remeber, but I know that the soundcard worked before |
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| 12:39.30 | rickbot | what kind of card? |
| 12:40.32 | space_ninja | Multimedia audio controller: ATI technologies Inc IXP Sb400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) then I have another line |
| 12:41.09 | space_ninja | Modem:ATI technologies Inc ATI SB400 - AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02) |
| 12:41.30 | space_ninja | And I found the exact same drivers in the kernel when I compile it |
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| 12:41.32 | space_ninja | ed |
| 12:41.47 | rickbot | looks like you have on-board (AC'97) as well as a card |
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| 12:42.32 | vin` | !greetings |
| 12:42.32 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 12:44.00 | space_ninja | so I have two cards? |
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| 12:44.19 | vin` | who would know? |
| 12:44.49 | rickbot | it looks to me like SB400 is a card and AC'97 is on-board |
| 12:45.02 | space_ninja | ok |
| 12:45.33 | rickbot | if you run alsaconf, it will list everything you have and you can select which device you want to use |
| 12:45.34 | space_ninja | maybe they interfere with eachother if I have both the drivers and both cards |
| 12:45.52 | rickbot | only one will run |
| 12:45.54 | space_ninja | alsaconf is useless, I have never got anything to work with that |
| 12:45.56 | rickbot | i think |
| 12:45.57 | space_ninja | :P |
| 12:46.08 | vin` | blacklist one, load the other. |
| 12:46.39 | rickbot | another option is to go into the bios and disable 'sound device' |
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| 12:47.05 | rickbot | this will disable the on-board sound so only the card will be detected |
| 12:47.05 | space_ninja | but I don't use modules, everything is compiled in the kernel |
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| 12:47.56 | vin` | space_ninja: are you using debian? |
| 12:48.39 | space_ninja | hehe lol, I first asked if the first user was in audio by default after the installation and then we got to this point |
| 12:48.44 | space_ninja | no I don't have debian |
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| 12:49.20 | space_ninja | I'm trying to see if I can get my soundcard to work in gentoo, but apperantly, the I wasn't in the audio group when I had debian |
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| 12:49.56 | rickbot | every type of linux i've tried gave me sound so i think you're in all the right groups |
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| 12:52.33 | lunitik | space_ninja: /part #debian /j #gentoo |
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| 12:52.51 | rfrank | I use /leave |
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| 12:53.01 | rpc | is there such thing as send buffer for ftpd? and does it matter what size i set it to? |
| 12:53.18 | space_ninja | But I have debian on my other computer.. |
| 12:53.36 | vin` | space_ninja: and sound works there? |
| 12:53.41 | space_ninja | ye |
| 12:53.44 | lunitik | space_ninja: ok... well when you have issues with it, feel free to ask about that machine |
| 12:54.05 | space_ninja | but you don't get it |
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| 12:54.18 | space_ninja | I wasn't asking about that in the beginning |
| 12:54.18 | vin` | explain :) |
| 12:54.57 | vin` | tarzeau: |
| 12:55.58 | space_ninja | This is what I first asked. Last time I tried debian, I could't get my soundcard to work, but it just hit me that it could just of been that I wasn't in the audio group. Is the first user in the audio group after the installation? |
| 12:56.45 | lunitik | space_ninja: debian puts the user into the audio group by default since etch.... /j #gentoo to discover their practices in this matter |
| 12:57.31 | space_ninja | I don't know if my soundcard works in gentoo because I'm not finished with the installtion |
| 12:57.57 | rickbot | wow, they sure know how to make someone welcome around here |
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| 12:58.30 | space_ninja | I was only talking on how I could of done to make my soundcard work while I had debian |
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| 12:59.13 | space_ninja | what* |
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| 13:01.27 | vin` | upgrading after 3 months, any crucial gotchas? |
| 13:01.38 | lunitik | space_ninja: apt-get install linux-sound-base ... (or just alsa-utils) ... make sure module is loaded... make sure user is in audio group... make sure volume levels are turned up |
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| 13:03.03 | lunitik | vin`: install apt-listbugs ... and see for yourself |
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| 13:03.54 | space_ninja | lunitik, where can I see all the available modules? |
| 13:04.07 | lunitik | modconf |
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| 13:06.46 | Xteven | gug, can anyone recommend some software for making presentations that can have animations in them ? |
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| 13:10.17 | rickbot | there's synfig studio but i don't know if it has a useful format |
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| 13:17.02 | Xteven | rickbot : thx |
| 13:17.08 | Xteven | rickbot : I found this link: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/LinuxPresentations.html |
| 13:17.13 | Xteven | which should help me I think :) |
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| 13:20.22 | n3kl_ | Does anyone know if I use tls over cyrus imap, if the data and the login are both encrypted? |
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| 13:23.18 | Xteven | n3kl_ : you can use tcpdump and check :) |
| 13:23.48 | Xteven | both login and password should be encrypted, othwerwise it wouldn't be of much use |
| 13:24.10 | Xteven | there is a difference between using imap over tls and using StartTLS in imap |
| 13:24.26 | Xteven | the latter is not fully encrypted at the start, and only starts encrypting when you request it |
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| 13:25.10 | VImtermute | oy2all |
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| 13:26.31 | Xteven | does anyone know of a presentation software that uses openGL ? |
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| 13:27.30 | rfrank | hey guys, I have the module for my sound card loaded and alsa installed but I dunno what Im supposed to do now to get sound working |
| 13:28.00 | _smart | does anyone use compiz? |
| 13:28.10 | azeem | _smart: yes, anyone surely does |
| 13:28.13 | lunitik | Xteven: OpenGL isn't software... I'd imagine KPresent and OO.o's equivalent both use Mesa in some way... which is an Open Source implementation of OpenGL |
| 13:28.18 | azeem | do you have a specific question? |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | he lives! |
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| 13:28.48 | fluxdude | which is better for security, setting a user's shell to nologin or setting it to false? |
| 13:29.00 | abrotman | concept10: did you get an answer to your question in #-ot ? |
| 13:29.36 | rfrank | uhh also I ran alsaconf and it didnt find my card, yet I have the module loaded already and the debian driver check page says it can use either snd-intel8x0 or i810_audio both of which I have loaded |
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| 13:30.33 | _smart | azzem_: ok ill be more especific lol.. im having problem with compiz since i upgraded some packages... 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b |
| 13:30.45 | earthian | hello, i see that there is "Plugins" item in the gnome keyboard indicator applet menu. However the list of the plugins is empty. Are there any plugins available for it? |
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| 13:33.59 | stew | abrotman: is it snowing there yet? |
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| 13:34.37 | abrotman | stew: graupel!!!!!!! |
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| 13:34.45 | earthian | Another problem is with my monitor/Xorg .. Xorg does not detect my monitor parameters correctly. And the Gnome display resolution program sees a lot of resolutions that are not supported by my monitor AND are not in xorg.conf! and monitor is LCD - BENQ FP71e+ and the refresh now is a list of some weird values: 50 52 54 56 57 .... my monitor support refresh of 60 to 75! and the values from the monitor manual in xorg.cong does nothing regarding this. WT |
| 13:34.45 | earthian | F? this started when i changed my GFX card from radeon x850xt to GeForce 400TI. Any idea how to fix that? or maybe the gfx card is faulty or so? |
| 13:34.51 | stew | abrotman: ¿que? |
| 13:34.56 | earthian | :o |
| 13:34.58 | Xteven | lunitik : maybe my question was wrong |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | stew: bouncing sleet :) |
| 13:35.09 | stew | abrotman: yes, that is what we are getting now |
| 13:35.21 | ManuP | i have different graphic-errors on my system. thyey look like: http://www.bilderuploaden.de/aihspro2/show.php/1636_graphicerror.png.html |
| 13:35.28 | ManuP | and http://www.bilderuploaden.de/aihspro2/show.php/1638_evofehler.png.html |
| 13:35.29 | Xteven | lunitik : I was wondering if there are presentation softwares that can easily do animations |
| 13:35.34 | ManuP | can someone help me? |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | stew: i heard you guys are supposed to get a lot of snow |
| 13:36.27 | stew | abrotman: they were up to 6-10 at one point, now they are predicting 4-8 |
| 13:36.41 | stew | abrotman: glad i got another 22 miles in yesterday :) |
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| 13:37.43 | abrotman | stew: too cold! |
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| 13:41.22 | rfrank | can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 13:41.36 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:41.37 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:42.26 | abrotman | rfrank: unload all sound related modules .. then try again |
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| 13:43.36 | stew | !alsa-checklist =~ s#7) does#7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does# |
| 13:43.36 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 13:43.45 | rfrank | abrotman, did that manyh times |
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| 13:44.35 | abrotman | stew: details details ... :) |
| 13:45.08 | rfrank | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:45.08 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:47.37 | rfrank | also anyone know where I can get xdm themes |
| 13:48.02 | abrotman | xdm has themes? |
| 13:48.07 | abrotman | themes.org maybe ? |
| 13:48.24 | earthian | !find xdm themes |
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| 13:50.48 | earthian | wtF? |
| 13:50.49 | earthian | <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | how is that confusing ? |
| 13:51.06 | earthian | !find xdm |
| 13:51.07 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xdm' (7): libxdmcp-dev ;; libxdmcp6 ;; libxdmcp6-dbg ;; xdm ;; xdms ;; xdmx ;; xdmx-tools. |
| 13:51.21 | earthian | nevermind... |
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| 13:54.33 | bstock | ok, i'm running ubuntu 6.10, having issues with ntp-server. basically i can't find a config file to tell it which interfaces to listen on. anyone know where that file is? |
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| 13:54.47 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:55.14 | earthian | abrotman, i think file locations do not differ between ubuntu and debian? |
| 13:55.21 | azeem | earthian: they might |
| 13:55.44 | bstock | yeah i tried, too many ppl in there |
| 13:55.49 | bstock | everyone is helping this guy setup ssh... |
| 13:55.59 | earthian | :o |
| 13:55.59 | azeem | bstock: then try again there later, or ask on their forums |
| 13:56.24 | earthian | bstock, use " locate ntp*.conf |
| 13:56.24 | petemc | often times, you set the interface options for daemons in /etc/default/daemon |
| 13:56.25 | earthian | or so |
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| 13:57.09 | bstock | heh ok. it's just annoying.... i just want an /etc/ntpd.conf and tell it which interfaces to listen on |
| 13:57.20 | bstock | yeah /etc/default/ only has ntpdate (the client) |
| 13:57.31 | abrotman | earthian: please go to #ubuntu to support him |
| 13:57.37 | bstock | and there's /etc/ntp.conf, but that's all client stuff |
| 13:57.50 | earthian | bstock, i somehow have /etc/ntp.conf |
| 13:57.58 | earthian | ah |
| 13:58.08 | abrotman | bstock: then go ask #ubuntu |
| 13:58.24 | bstock | heh you guys aren't big on ubuntu are you? |
| 13:58.49 | earthian | bstock, ubuntu is not debian... thats all. |
| 13:58.53 | abrotman | bstock: this is #debian .. we support Debian .. not the dozens of distros derived from it |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | and/or using apt/dpkg |
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| 13:59.32 | bstock | that's true. i just figured ubuntu would have same file locations for something as simple as ntp-server |
| 13:59.41 | earthian | bstock, the reason i stopped using ubuntu is the support.... i did not like the support in #ubuntu |
| 14:00.11 | abrotman | bstock: you're welcome to install Debian if you'd like ... |
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| 14:00.26 | earthian | bstock, check ntp-server package with synaptic and see the file locations |
| 14:00.42 | bstock | yeah i used to run debian, but ubuntu just makes things easier IMO |
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| 14:00.54 | abrotman | bstock: except getting support huh ? :) |
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| 14:00.57 | bstock | yeah i tried that, it didn't install any config files like i expected it |
| 14:01.15 | earthian | hmm... |
| 14:01.17 | rfrank | wtf - I just ran a confiugre script for wine and it said configure: error: C compilre cannot create executables |
| 14:01.23 | earthian | bstock, i do not see ntp-server in debian repos!!! |
| 14:01.25 | earthian | :p |
| 14:01.28 | azeem | rfrank: did you install build-essential? |
| 14:01.36 | rfrank | azeem, I did |
| 14:01.39 | abrotman | !b-e rfrank |
| 14:01.40 | dpkg | rfrank: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 14:01.44 | azeem | rfrank: then check config.log for the real error |
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| 14:01.53 | rfrank | yeah I did that abrotman |
| 14:01.54 | rfrank | haha |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | earthian: please take bstock with you to #ubuntu |
| 14:02.07 | earthian | abrotman, i will if you will help me :P |
| 14:02.15 | abrotman | earthian: /join #ubuntu .. done :) |
| 14:02.19 | bstock | i'll figure it out guys. thanks |
| 14:02.20 | earthian | :( |
| 14:02.47 | earthian | np bstock ... consider using debian if you are not happy with ubuntu ;) |
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| 14:03.47 | rfrank | usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s |
| 14:04.01 | scv | if we took away dpkg system from the debian, what would be left? |
| 14:04.08 | rfrank | 0 |
| 14:04.13 | scv | hahah |
| 14:04.31 | scv | I mean... is it still special? |
| 14:04.42 | azeem | rfrank: that looks like missing build-essential |
| 14:04.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how can I do to add automatically vga=791 in the end of the line of the menu.lst file when I install a new kernel? |
| 14:05.00 | rfrank | azeem, I just ran apt-get install build-essential again, build-essential is already the newest version |
| 14:05.10 | azeem | rfrank: which version of Debian? |
| 14:05.27 | rfrank | testing amdsixty4 |
| 14:05.31 | concept10 | abrotman, regarding your question earlier, I don't think I found a definitive answer. I don't know all of the guidelines, but I know I wouldn't want a troll or someone associated with those activities to become a DPL regardless of talent/skill or platform. |
| 14:05.32 | rfrank | six key doesnt work on laptop :( |
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| 14:05.48 | abrotman | concept10: i heard you got the URL thread |
| 14:05.53 | azeem | rfrank: did you try apt-get build-dep wine? |
| 14:05.57 | rfrank | btw #debian-amdsix4 has about 20 people in it none of which speak |
| 14:06.10 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: there's an option the menu.lst |
| 14:06.10 | rfrank | azeem, running that nwo |
| 14:06.13 | rfrank | now |
| 14:06.13 | azeem | ... at this time |
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| 14:06.31 | concept10 | abrotman, I had read the entire thread before posting any info about it. |
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| 14:07.04 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:07.06 | torrr | akw is the deal with the tomcat5.5-webap being in a seperate directory and not in $CATALINA_HOME/webapps, and where is CATALINA_HOME anyway? |
| 14:07.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, do you refer to defoptions? it just works for the default option |
| 14:07.45 | abrotman | the kopt line |
| 14:08.25 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, I remember one time before installing debian I put a parameter on boot:, then each time I installed a new kernel this parameter were added automatically |
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| 14:08.31 | d3c | Hi people. I'm trying to install memcache for debian but I get this error: "checking for the location of zlib... configure: error: memcache support requires ZLIB. Use --with-zlib-dir=<DIR> to specify prefix where ZLIB include and library are located" |
| 14:08.41 | d3c | And I can't "apt-get install zlib" |
| 14:08.42 | earthian | rfrank, i think you need ia32libs too? |
| 14:08.46 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: look at the kopt line in the menu.lst ... |
| 14:08.53 | azeem | d3c: install zlib1g-dev or something |
| 14:09.08 | d3c | azeem,I'll try that |
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| 14:09.46 | Coke | Hello. I use sudo a lot. At my work there seems to be a timeout which requires me to type the password before sudo'ing, how do I activate this on my home box? |
| 14:09.46 | earthian | rfrank, those libs that allows you do things with 32bit apps like wine... i am not sure tho.. used amd64 quite a time ago then moved to 32bit. and i dont have problems. would suggest you do the same. |
| 14:09.49 | rfrank | azeem, same error |
| 14:09.54 | torrr | d3c: I have installed yesterday using synaptic on debian etch |
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| 14:10.03 | rfrank | earthian, I wanna take advantage of my 64bit arch |
| 14:10.07 | rfrank | wow six key worked! |
| 14:10.13 | rfrank | its dual core 4200+ |
| 14:10.14 | Xteven | anyone familiar with Bruce (PyGame) ? |
| 14:10.15 | earthian | rfrank, you wont notice! |
| 14:10.42 | earthian | its the same as light speed and half of light speed... |
| 14:11.12 | d3c | torrr,thanks but I cant run a GUI installer... |
| 14:11.13 | CAiRO | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.19 | earthian | rfrank, i have dual opteron ... and i do not see a difference except that something works better in i386 |
| 14:11.57 | stew | Coke: search for "timeout" in "man sudoers" |
| 14:11.57 | earthian | and you use less time to make things work on 32bit |
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| 14:12.05 | rfrank | but six4 bit faster aahhhh |
| 14:12.14 | Coke | stew: thanks |
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| 14:12.47 | macpower | bonjour a tous |
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| 14:13.13 | d3c | azeem,it worked. Thanks a lot :) |
| 14:13.31 | rfrank | earthian, I do a lot of video/audio encoding - 64bit supposed to help that out alot |
| 14:13.34 | macpower | quelqu'un connait le projet funambol? |
| 14:13.39 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:13.39 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:14.22 | macpower | hi |
| 14:14.22 | macpower | all |
| 14:14.36 | macpower | somebody know a funambol project.? please |
| 14:14.37 | abrotman | better :) |
| 14:14.43 | Coke | stew: that was the most absurd manual page I've ever read. |
| 14:14.54 | Coke | stew: I found the flag passwd_timeout, but have no idea where to put it. |
| 14:15.04 | Coke | stew: somwehere in /etc/sudoers using visudo -f |
| 14:16.01 | Coke | Defaults passwd_timeout=10 |
| 14:16.05 | Coke | Hoping that will do it. |
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| 14:17.31 | earthian | rfrank, maybe it is supposed to help... but then why wine? |
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| 14:17.45 | earthian | dont tell me that you need wine for audio/video encoding! :o |
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| 14:24.06 | MatBoy | I'm running into the problem that so many people are using so much different Messengers... what can I use best to have a messenger that allowes all ? and nodtGAIM :) |
| 14:24.07 | MatBoy | *not GAIM |
| 14:24.09 | Xteven | try jabber |
| 14:24.34 | MatBoy | Xteven, jabber is just jabber, or are there variations ? |
| 14:25.10 | rfrank | earthian, no, games |
| 14:25.10 | rfrank | :P |
| 14:25.21 | Xteven | MatBoy : no idea |
| 14:25.31 | Xteven | MatBoy : I think jabber is a protocol or so ? |
| 14:25.39 | abrotman | jabber servers can have transports |
| 14:25.40 | MatBoy | Xteven, it is |
| 14:25.50 | MatBoy | I never really got to it... maybe now is the time |
| 14:25.53 | earthian | whats wrong with gaim??? |
| 14:26.04 | m4ggus | bitlbee \o/ |
| 14:26.15 | MatBoy | abrotman, I saw that indeed.. some sort of translation :) |
| 14:26.37 | macpower | who know a project funambol? please |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: roughly .. yes |
| 14:26.58 | MatBoy | abrotman, yeah, as long as we know what we mean it's fine :) |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | macpower: funambol.com ? |
| 14:27.07 | macpower | yes |
| 14:27.18 | macpower | youknow?. |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | google did :) |
| 14:27.28 | macpower | no |
| 14:27.32 | azeem | macpower: how is this related to Debian? |
| 14:27.32 | abrotman | it's not in debian though ... |
| 14:27.50 | macpower | because i have installed funambol on debian |
| 14:27.59 | azeem | macpower: what is your question then? |
| 14:28.00 | MatBoy | abrotman, but jabber and skype will never work I guess ? |
| 14:28.15 | macpower | and somebody i use funambol on debian? |
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| 14:28.21 | Ramattack | hi mates |
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| 14:28.32 | Ramattack | does anybody use squid¿? |
| 14:28.35 | Pc_Dark | what's the linux command to create a file |
| 14:29.00 | Ramattack | in #squid very few people answers.... |
| 14:30.08 | abrotman | MatBoy: i don't use skype . no idea |
| 14:30.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, ok thanks |
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| 14:36.36 | space_ninja | is everything on the debian kernel compiled as a module? |
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| 14:37.55 | abrotman | no |
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| 14:39.55 | badcfe | what flag in /proc/cpuinfo should i look for in order to know if i have a ia64 and if i should use a smp kernel. |
| 14:39.58 | badcfe | ? |
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| 14:40.25 | abrotman | badcfe: what is your CPU ? |
| 14:41.10 | badcfe | it says model name: intel xeon cpu |
| 14:41.17 | abrotman | that's not ia64 |
| 14:41.18 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 14:41.18 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
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| 14:41.45 | Pc_Dark | whats the command to create a file |
| 14:41.51 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: touch |
| 14:41.55 | Pc_Dark | mm |
| 14:41.57 | wols_ | badcfe: you should use a smp kernel if you have HT |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | badcfe: what is the model name ? |
| 14:42.28 | wols_ | badcfe: what is the family, model and stepping of your CPU? |
| 14:42.35 | badcfe | wols_: cpuinfo shows only one cpu, but it has ht yes. |
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| 14:42.40 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:42.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:42.59 | badcfe | abrotman: so since its a intel xeon, its not a ia64 then? |
| 14:43.01 | abrotman | badcfe: are you using sarge or etch ? |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | badcfe: not even close |
| 14:43.23 | badcfe | abrotman: sarge |
| 14:43.26 | wols_ | badcfe: ia64 means itanium, not x86 |
| 14:43.29 | abrotman | badcfe: paste your whole /proc/cpuinfo in the paste site above |
| 14:43.40 | badcfe | wols_: ah ok. thanks |
| 14:43.42 | stew | badcfe: generally if you have to ask if you have ia64, you don't have it. you'd remember paying for it |
| 14:43.44 | wols_ | what is the model, family and stepping of your CPU |
| 14:43.52 | badcfe | abrotman: i will. now |
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| 14:45.04 | badcfe | abrotman: i cant paste it, since that host hasnt got net yet, but ill write the whole flags line? |
| 14:45.19 | abrotman | badcfe: give wols_ what he's asking for |
| 14:46.42 | badcfe | wols_: model 15, family 6, stepping 6 |
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| 14:47.58 | abrotman | sounds amd64 to me ... |
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| 14:48.23 | badcfe | abrotman: model name is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU |
| 14:48.32 | abrotman | it's amd64 |
| 14:48.38 | badcfe | abrotman: vendor_id is GenuineIntel |
| 14:48.44 | abrotman | amd64 is a generic name |
| 14:48.59 | abrotman | erm .. that debian uses to denote amd64/em64t etc |
| 14:49.02 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 14:49.02 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing audio/realtime work |
| 14:49.11 | badcfe | its a dual core |
| 14:49.44 | abrotman | still amd64 :) |
| 14:50.06 | badcfe | abrotman: so if i go for sarge, then i ll use i386. |
| 14:50.17 | wols_ | badcfe: it's a woodcrest 5150 |
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| 14:50.32 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to restore a formatted hdd |
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| 14:50.40 | wols_ | which means you need a SMP kernel and either i386 or AMD64, as you wish |
| 14:51.01 | badcfe | wols_: its shipped with a dell poweredge 2950 by the way |
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| 14:52.06 | badcfe | if i use a i386 kernel for my dual core (with ht in flags), should i use a smp variant? |
| 14:52.12 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:52.32 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to restore windows when I have debian installed |
| 14:52.43 | wols_ | badcfe: ht has nothing to do with it. especially since you have a dual core cpu |
| 14:52.57 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: restore in what way? |
| 14:53.05 | Pc_Dark | get rid of debian & reinstall windows |
| 14:53.32 | wols_ | just reinstall windows over debian |
| 14:54.15 | Pc_Dark | I only have an upgrade disc, wols |
| 14:54.33 | wols_ | that is not our problem. go an buy a normal windows CD then |
| 14:58.19 | badcfe | wols_: with sarge it is i386 smp -- so is the conclusion it seems? |
| 14:58.36 | abrotman | badcfe: apt-cache search smp k8 |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | or maybe it's smp em64t |
| 14:59.15 | wols_ | badcfe: andi that'S not available, get a k7 kernel instead. that certainly is |
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| 15:00.09 | frop | hallo |
| 15:00.33 | frop | there's a way to find an autoconf260 .deb somewhere? |
| 15:00.41 | frop | for 3.1 |
| 15:00.44 | wols_ | abrotman: can you fix my brain too? a simple lobotomy might be best |
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| 15:00.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:00.57 | FJ_Sanchez | Helo |
| 15:00.57 | wols_ | !tell frop about backports |
| 15:00.59 | FJ_Sanchez | Hello |
| 15:01.01 | wols_ | EHLO |
| 15:01.02 | FJ_Sanchez | where can I found the files downloaded with apt-get source? |
| 15:01.11 | abrotman | $PWD |
| 15:01.12 | wols_ | in your local directory |
| 15:01.17 | FJ_Sanchez | local? |
| 15:01.17 | FJ_Sanchez | root |
| 15:01.23 | frop | thk, apt-get.org has nothing for me :) |
| 15:01.25 | wols_ | the directory you're in |
| 15:01.47 | wols_ | frop: and backports? |
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| 15:01.54 | FJ_Sanchez | Ops, thx |
| 15:01.57 | FJ_Sanchez | :p |
| 15:01.57 | wols_ | otherwise, do a simple sid backport perhaps |
| 15:02.10 | frop | seems no |
| 15:02.20 | frop | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/ not here :P |
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| 15:03.13 | d3c | I just installed memcache on my Apache2/PHP5 server. The module shows up in phpinfo() but I cant create a memcache class. Any ideas why? I know this hasn't got anything to do with Debian but since the #php channel is down, I ask here... |
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| 15:03.41 | frop | <wols_> otherwise, do a simple sid backport perhaps |
| 15:03.43 | frop | how_ |
| 15:03.44 | frop | ? |
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| 15:03.54 | frop | sorry, ages i don't use debian |
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| 15:04.24 | wols_ | !tell frop about simple sid backport |
| 15:04.24 | FJ_Sanchez | I have a question, I'm using ubuntu, and mount said that NFS v1 is not supported |
| 15:04.24 | wols_ | FJ_Sanchez: #ubuntu |
| 15:04.30 | FJ_Sanchez | Is it a mount problem, or nfs-common? |
| 15:04.43 | FJ_Sanchez | wols_: I doubt they can help me |
| 15:04.46 | wols_ | it's mainly a UBUNTU problem. and totally NO debian problem |
| 15:04.50 | wols_ | we don't care |
| 15:04.57 | frop | lol "4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly." |
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| 15:05.11 | FJ_Sanchez | Are you against Ubuntu? |
| 15:05.20 | cusco | dudes.. my computer came with a ati radeon x1600 but seems that ai driver isn't open source and looks like doesn't support xv.. If I was to get a new graphic card ... what chipset would you advise? |
| 15:05.22 | FJ_Sanchez | I don't understand this behavoir |
| 15:05.31 | wols_ | we are against people who run ubuntu but molest debian with their ubuntu problems |
| 15:05.36 | frop | guess no FJ_Sanchez, but this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 15:05.36 | wols_ | read the topic and go away |
| 15:05.58 | FJ_Sanchez | frop: You know that it's a debian based system |
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| 15:06.10 | wols_ | cusco: either nvidia or intel basically |
| 15:06.13 | cusco | FJ_Sanchez: ubuntu uses packages different from debian. they may have teh same name but are pre-compileled diferent adn with different tools |
| 15:06.16 | cusco | !ubuntu |
| 15:06.16 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 15:06.18 | frop | sure i know...but still we are on #debian, and no on #ubuntu |
| 15:06.20 | FJ_Sanchez | And there are differences in versions of apps but not much more |
| 15:06.22 | badcfe | my flags are fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm pni monitor ds_cpi est |
| 15:06.25 | wols_ | but I can't believe that fglrx doesn't support xv |
| 15:06.55 | frop | wols_ thk, i guess i'll install it in my home, throught src |
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| 15:07.00 | FJ_Sanchez | Ok, forget I said ubuntu |
| 15:07.03 | cusco | wols_: looks like it doesn't! |
| 15:07.11 | FJ_Sanchez | I can ask again without using ubuntu |
| 15:07.40 | FJ_Sanchez | What package is responsible of NFS version 1 support? |
| 15:07.48 | cusco | cusco@universe:~/amsn$ xvinfo // X-Video Extension version 2.2 // screen #0 // no adaptors present |
| 15:07.50 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:07.50 | FJ_Sanchez | I think it's nfs-commons, but not sure |
| 15:07.50 | wols_ | FJ_Sanchez: go away |
| 15:08.09 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: it would be the kernel responsible |
| 15:08.14 | d3c | I just installed memcache on my Apache2/PHP5 server. The module shows up in phpinfo() but I cant create a memcache class. Any ideas why? #PHP is down, asking here instead... |
| 15:08.19 | FJ_Sanchez | Not server but client side |
| 15:08.27 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: it would be the kenrel |
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| 15:08.42 | FJ_Sanchez | So I've to recompile de kenerl with NFS v1 support, isn't it? |
| 15:08.53 | badcfe | seems like when it comes to argch to choose for a sownload of the sarge isos, i should choose i386 |
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| 15:09.20 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: what os is the server running? |
| 15:09.26 | FJ_Sanchez | Solaris |
| 15:09.31 | FJ_Sanchez | A really old one |
| 15:09.42 | FJ_Sanchez | 4.5 I think |
| 15:09.46 | wols_ | badcfe: with a new woodcrest, you should be able to use a AMD64 one just fine |
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| 15:10.04 | FJ_Sanchez | And tha is the problem, I cannot mount this properly |
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| 15:10.15 | FJ_Sanchez | I get it mounted, but permission denied |
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| 15:10.28 | cusco | aw that is something else |
| 15:10.28 | FJ_Sanchez | If I use, nfsvers=2,3,4 I get I/O error |
| 15:10.34 | cusco | permission to see the dir? |
| 15:10.42 | FJ_Sanchez | the mounted dir |
| 15:10.43 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: ask #solaris or #ubuntu |
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| 15:11.36 | FJ_Sanchez | The problem isn't the solaris, actually I've 100 computers working with and old Red Hat ok |
| 15:11.57 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: the problem isn't with debian |
| 15:11.57 | FJ_Sanchez | Now we're testing knoppix, debian and ubuntu |
| 15:12.08 | FJ_Sanchez | stew I've this problem also with Debian |
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| 15:12.17 | FJ_Sanchez | With the 3 new distros |
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| 15:12.28 | FJ_Sanchez | It's a old installation |
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| 15:12.49 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: what does "uname -r" say on the debian machine? |
| 15:13.01 | dancek | What would be the easiest way to securely wipe out hard disk contents? |
| 15:13.13 | wols_ | dancek: google "DBAN" |
| 15:13.14 | FJ_Sanchez | I cannot see that now. I deleted the debian to test the ubuntu |
| 15:13.23 | FJ_Sanchez | I should reinstall again |
| 15:13.31 | FJ_Sanchez | But it was sid |
| 15:13.32 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: i cannot help you with a debian installation that has been wiped out |
| 15:14.08 | wols_ | it was so young. had its best years before |
| 15:14.24 | FJ_Sanchez | LoL |
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| 15:14.48 | FJ_Sanchez | I'm used to debian, and I cannot manage with these old RedHat machines |
| 15:14.48 | dancek | wols_: thx |
| 15:14.58 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: ask #redhat |
| 15:15.18 | FJ_Sanchez | But, I don't want RedHat, I want to delete all these RedHat |
| 15:15.25 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:15.34 | FJ_Sanchez | I want to use something newer |
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| 15:15.40 | FJ_Sanchez | Like a SID Debian or Ubuntu |
| 15:15.52 | wols_ | Sid? in a business env? |
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| 15:16.16 | FJ_Sanchez | Mmm, it's a university |
| 15:16.21 | FJ_Sanchez | Maybe sarge |
| 15:16.34 | stew | a university full of debian developers/ |
| 15:16.40 | stew | ? |
| 15:16.45 | stew | otherwise, don't use sid |
| 15:16.54 | wols_ | FJ_Sanchez: I'd suggest etch. since it's (soon) stable anyways |
| 15:16.58 | finnbo | Does anyone know if there is a package or script that can compare your installed packages and their associated files with the actual files on your filesystem? I want to figure out if there are any custom files installed illegally (i.e. manually by root, not installed by a package) under e.g. /usr/bin, etc. |
| 15:17.07 | FJ_Sanchez | i think sid for that reason |
| 15:17.15 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: for what reason? |
| 15:17.34 | FJ_Sanchez | it's going to be released soon, isn't it? |
| 15:17.39 | lunitik | stew: why are you so anti-sid? hehe |
| 15:17.40 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: sid is never released |
| 15:17.50 | FJ_Sanchez | I mean, the actual sid |
| 15:17.59 | lunitik | FJ_Sanchez: etch is going to be released ... possible before 2010 |
| 15:18.04 | wols_ | FJ_Sanchez: no, never |
| 15:18.04 | lunitik | possibly* |
| 15:18.05 | FJ_Sanchez | LoL |
| 15:18.06 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: the actual sid from debian is never released |
| 15:18.18 | FJ_Sanchez | Then I confused, sorry |
| 15:18.31 | jetscreamer | sid is your god |
| 15:18.39 | wols_ | FJ_Sanchez: since you don't know pretty basic debian/sid things like that, I'd really suggest not to use sid |
| 15:18.42 | jetscreamer | you are not worthy |
| 15:18.42 | FJ_Sanchez | I thought that the actiual sid snapshoot is going to be released soon as etch |
| 15:18.55 | lunitik | FJ_Sanchez: no |
| 15:19.01 | jetscreamer | nah they just move stuff into the 'slots' when they think it's kinda stable |
| 15:19.18 | jetscreamer | then when etch is stable they release it |
| 15:19.18 | lunitik | FJ_Sanchez: Etch release will be a 'snapshot' of testing |
| 15:19.21 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: no, etch, the current testing is going to be released as etch. then lenny, a not yet existant snapshot of etch becomes the new testing |
| 15:19.37 | jetscreamer | then they'll change etch testing some more |
| 15:19.52 | badcfe | wols_: im sorry, whats a woodcrest ? |
| 15:19.55 | jetscreamer | err testing |
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| 15:20.05 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 15:20.09 | wols_ | badcfe: Xeon 5150 codename |
| 15:20.36 | wols_ | stew: when was the name decided? |
| 15:20.40 | lunitik | Probably when Sarge released |
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| 15:21.07 | stew | wols_: hmm, novemberish? maybe october? |
| 15:21.09 | wols_ | lunitik: upgrading libc to what? wasn't libc5 back in potato? |
| 15:21.11 | stew | lunitik: the binoculars |
| 15:21.27 | badcfe | wols_: hmm, that "Jigdo files for the _unofficial_ AMD64 stable release" scares me. if its ok ill use i386 |
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| 15:21.38 | lunitik | wols_: 2.3.6 to 2.5.x |
| 15:21.41 | jetscreamer | sure it's ok |
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| 15:22.00 | wols_ | badcfe: how much RAM on that server? |
| 15:22.26 | azeem | lunitik: no |
| 15:22.30 | wols_ | lunitik: BSD has their own libc. nothing to do with linux' one |
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| 15:22.49 | azeem | GNU/kFreeBSD's libc is libc1 or so |
| 15:23.10 | lunitik | wols_: I know... but I thought the 5 and 6 defined elf number.... |
| 15:23.10 | azeem | lunitik: no |
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| 15:23.21 | azeem | lunitik: it's just that the jump to ELF made the 5->6 transition necessariy |
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| 15:23.43 | lunitik | azeem: ahh... that was a long time ago... heh |
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| 15:24.10 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/libc0.1 |
| 15:24.18 | stew | a.out? |
| 15:24.24 | FJ_Sanchez | So is all the NFS client support stuff compiled in the kernel? |
| 15:24.37 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:24.43 | FJ_Sanchez | i mean in Debian |
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| 15:24.56 | FJ_Sanchez | I don't mind use Sarge instead |
| 15:25.03 | FJ_Sanchez | I only want this working |
| 15:25.04 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: its compiled as a module with support for v2 v3 v4 |
| 15:25.14 | FJ_Sanchez | Yes, but I want v1 |
| 15:25.16 | stew | hmm, i dunno if sarge has v4 by support |
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| 15:26.07 | FJ_Sanchez | Is the v1 totally deprecated? |
| 15:26.09 | jetscreamer | isn't nfs like either in the kernel or as a standalone ? |
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| 15:28.42 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: i don't know if there is any v1 support in linux anymore. nfs.h only mentions v2 v3 v4 |
| 15:29.04 | jetscreamer | nfs-kernel-server - support for NFS kernel server OR nfs-user-server - User space NFS server |
| 15:29.08 | jetscreamer | yeah that was it |
| 15:29.16 | stew | jetscreamer: he's not running an nfs server on linux |
| 15:29.22 | jetscreamer | o... |
| 15:29.30 | FJ_Sanchez | I cannot modify the server |
| 15:29.32 | jetscreamer | nevermind |
| 15:29.32 | stew | he's running nfs clients on ubuntu and redhat |
| 15:29.39 | jetscreamer | (gilda radner) |
| 15:29.40 | FJ_Sanchez | It's a old Solaris 4.5 |
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| 15:29.58 | FJ_Sanchez | stew: I don't have any ubuntu client |
| 15:30.06 | lunitik | stew: makes sense he'd be in #debian then! |
| 15:30.11 | FJ_Sanchez | Actaully we have a old red hat working ok |
| 15:30.13 | stew | 11:04 < FJ_Sanchez> I have a question, I'm using ubuntu, and mount said that NFS v1 is not supported |
| 15:30.23 | FJ_Sanchez | stew yes, it's just now |
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| 15:30.28 | FJ_Sanchez | But I'm testing al distros |
| 15:30.34 | FJ_Sanchez | looking for v1 support |
| 15:30.48 | Azar | maybe woody would serve him |
| 15:30.52 | lunitik | FJ_Sanchez: try linux 2.2.x or something? |
| 15:31.02 | jetscreamer | 'shouldn't' nfs be backwards compatible? |
| 15:31.15 | wols_ | jetscreamer: it's nfs... |
| 15:31.16 | nescius | hi, is a ip program in debian stable? |
| 15:31.17 | FJ_Sanchez | That's the point, I've only to change the kernel, or have I to change all the system? |
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| 15:31.30 | nescius | and if it is, in which package? |
| 15:31.37 | h3sp4wn | nescius: iproute2 |
| 15:31.38 | lunitik | FJ_Sanchez: uhh... just the kernel... in theory.... |
| 15:31.43 | wols_ | !tell nescius about search |
| 15:31.45 | jetscreamer | nescius: define 'ip program' more clearly? |
| 15:31.47 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: dunno, ask #redhat or #ubuntu |
| 15:31.54 | FJ_Sanchez | stew ok, thx |
| 15:32.11 | FJ_Sanchez | You can stopping help me |
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| 15:32.18 | azeem | nescius: iproute |
| 15:32.19 | nescius | wols_, what do you think? i cant search or what? only apt worth shit |
| 15:32.40 | nescius | thanks a lot, that was the package |
| 15:32.45 | jetscreamer | forming coherent sentences seems to not be your forte |
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| 15:33.08 | azeem | jetscreamer: please stop mocking users about their writing |
| 15:33.33 | jetscreamer | azeem: how dare you accuse me of taunting the mentally disabled.... |
| 15:33.41 | lunitik | jetscreamer: not everyone here can call English their native tongue... |
| 15:34.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:34.09 | azeem | jetscreamer: please stop calling users `mentally disabled' |
| 15:34.13 | nescius | :) i dont care, just dont tell me how to do things, its enough that i am forced to use this distro |
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| 15:34.35 | lunitik | nescius: that's not going to get you much help here.... |
| 15:35.33 | un1xer | guys, guys! Relax, its friday! |
| 15:35.33 | jetscreamer | oh sorry, i thought you were an igonorant native english speaker... didn't mean to insult... your english is much better than my czech |
| 15:35.46 | nescius | well that was a reason why i am complaining, this channell is about accusing people and flaming isnt it? |
| 15:35.47 | wols_ | nescius: the factoid gave you all the info you needed to find it yourself |
| 15:36.06 | wols_ | but you are obviously either too lazy or too ignorant to do it |
| 15:36.52 | nescius | wols_, yeah, its cool that apt-get can use expresions but all i needed is to found one file in a packages, which even rpm can do |
| 15:36.54 | lunitik | nescius: no... it's about supporting people that actually want help... that want to learn... not wasting our time doing things for you that you could do yourself |
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| 15:37.33 | azeem | nescius: apt-get isn't a one-for-all; there's a different command (apt-file) to find which package a particular file belongs to |
| 15:37.37 | lunitik | nescius: apt-cache show apt-file ... dpkg -L and dpkg -S for finding contents of packages |
| 15:37.45 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.57 | azeem | jetscreamer: thank you for scaring away another user! |
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| 15:37.59 | azeem | one less to support |
| 15:38.04 | michas | hi, anyone here using bluetooth? I just can't manage to access my cellphone. (hcitool finds it and obexftp tries to access it, but the phone requires a pin. - what do I have to enter?) |
| 15:38.14 | jetscreamer | i feel bad... yeah that's it |
| 15:38.21 | Azar | tomorrow is saturday? ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 15:38.29 | lunitik | jetscreamer: why are you in this channel if you're not trying to help people? |
| 15:38.48 | jetscreamer | lunitik: i never help ppl, i'm a secret agent for bill |
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| 15:39.00 | Azar | jetscreamer only had a bad day... it happens to everyone... |
| 15:39.09 | lunitik | jetscreamer: no, you're arrogant, and offensive |
| 15:39.24 | jetscreamer | i am not arrogant! |
| 15:39.25 | Azar | lunitik: ok ok let's move on |
| 15:40.08 | un1xer | Did any of you ever read this regarding this chanell? http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 15:40.13 | pngwn | lunitik, my client comes with ignore ;) |
| 15:40.51 | azeem | pngwn: should we make all irc clients in Debian ignore jetscreamer by default? |
| 15:41.02 | Azar | it's not like anyone gonna go bankrupt for lack of paying customers |
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| 15:41.05 | azeem | it doesn't help if one regular ignores to other |
| 15:41.08 | azeem | this is about user support |
| 15:41.14 | azeem | s/to/the/ |
| 15:41.25 | jetscreamer | !un1xer++ |
| 15:41.37 | pngwn | azeem, no, we shouldn't make anyone do anything |
| 15:41.37 | Azar | azeem: jetscreamer usually helps a lot of people, he just had a bad moment |
| 15:41.57 | jetscreamer | lies, i'm mwilson reborn! |
| 15:42.00 | pngwn | azeem, and if you don't want him in here you can remove him |
| 15:42.10 | Azar | bob2 is that u? |
| 15:42.13 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:42.19 | jetscreamer | i never liked bob2 |
| 15:42.25 | Azar | I did.. |
| 15:42.32 | jetscreamer | i did like mwilson though |
| 15:42.51 | Azar | jetscreamer: say im' sorry and lets move on |
| 15:43.15 | Azar | ok I am |
| 15:43.17 | Azar | sorry |
| 15:43.43 | jetscreamer | i try not to lie... i thought the guy spoke english. |
| 15:44.09 | Azar | hey remember the guy who was looking for the suppositories? |
| 15:44.48 | Azar | he was a native english guy but he had a defficiency... but was sweet... loved his way of saying things |
| 15:45.14 | azeem | he had a .cz hostmask |
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| 15:45.43 | jetscreamer | and i didn't look first |
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| 15:45.58 | space_ninja | I'm trying to boot the intallation cd, but It can't detect my network. Something is wrong with the cd. |
| 15:46.06 | azeem | jetscreamer: ok, so probably my request is: Check whether somebody is a native speaker before you ridicule his writing |
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| 15:46.20 | azeem | ridiculing a foreign speaker's writing is pretty lame |
| 15:46.21 | stew | no, forget that. just don't ridicule people |
| 15:46.33 | azeem | stew: I'm trying to go step-by-step :) |
| 15:46.49 | Orfeous | i cant get UTF-8 working on my debian computer.. are there any tutorials? |
| 15:47.05 | azeem | space_ninja: which CD in particular? |
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| 15:47.18 | jetscreamer | i note that ya'll are ignoring the fact that i could tell he was an asshole... |
| 15:47.19 | space_ninja | x86 netinstall |
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| 15:47.28 | space_ninja | It has worked before |
| 15:47.33 | stew | jetscreamer: use /ignore in those situations |
| 15:47.40 | jetscreamer | that's not the first time in the past 24 hours somebody said the net inst cd can't detect thier network |
| 15:47.52 | azeem | space_ninja: etch daily? |
| 15:47.52 | jetscreamer | new hardware? |
| 15:48.01 | space_ninja | azem and I was connected to the internet just a second ago |
| 15:48.03 | space_ninja | it's stable |
| 15:48.09 | stew | space_ninja: it worked before with the same hardware and same installer? |
| 15:48.14 | space_ninja | yes |
| 15:48.24 | jetscreamer | grep allow-hotplug /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:48.30 | space_ninja | the debian and ubuntu cd's always do like this |
| 15:48.33 | stew | space_ninja: do you know what network card you have? did you previously use the 2.6 kernel and now are using the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 15:48.36 | azeem | space_ninja: go to the console and see whether /sbin/ifconfig returns somethign |
| 15:48.45 | space_ninja | oh right |
| 15:48.53 | jair_11 | hey guys if I left the user on another machine which is dead already, logged to the irc channel. there is a way I can take over my own nick using the "/msg nick?? comand?" |
| 15:49.06 | jetscreamer | jair: ghost |
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| 15:49.11 | jetscreamer | /ghost user pw |
| 15:49.17 | jair_11 | haha |
| 15:49.19 | jair_11 | good |
| 15:49.20 | jair_11 | ok |
| 15:49.24 | jair_11 | let me try that |
| 15:49.58 | space_ninja | azeem, it's working |
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| 15:50.02 | azeem | great |
| 15:50.05 | jetscreamer | grep allow-hotplug /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:50.32 | jair_11 | but where do i run the command on the #channel? |
| 15:50.45 | jair_11 | jetscreamer: or in the irc.freenode.org |
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| 15:51.00 | space_ninja | thx |
| 15:51.04 | jetscreamer | jair: any window on the server,iirc |
| 15:51.12 | jetscreamer | this channel if it's freenode |
| 15:51.20 | jair_11 | yes |
| 15:51.21 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 15:51.27 | jetscreamer | any channel |
| 15:51.35 | jair_11 | I see |
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| 15:52.23 | jetscreamer | jair_11: did it work? |
| 15:53.00 | jair_11 | I wiull check |
| 15:53.03 | jair_11 | I will check |
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| 15:53.57 | wols_ | what irc client knows the command "ghost"? |
| 15:54.33 | Azar | wols_: irssi does ... |
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| 15:54.51 | wols_ | 16:53 No help for ghost |
| 15:54.56 | Pc_Dark | How would I update my openoffice.org installation |
| 15:55.03 | Pc_Dark | apt-get has it at a really low version |
| 15:55.04 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.17 | stew | Pc_Dark: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:55.27 | jetscreamer | /ns help ghost |
| 15:55.29 | wols_ | !tell Pc_Dark about backports |
| 15:55.38 | wols_ | sarge probably still has OOo 1.1 |
| 15:56.24 | space_ninja | does stable have ancient stuff? |
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| 15:56.43 | jetscreamer | aabout 1.5years old or so |
| 15:56.55 | stew | space_ninja: stable was frozen about 2 years ago, so the software versions are at least that old |
| 15:56.56 | Azar | wols_: it works for me /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 15:57.07 | jetscreamer | or just /ns help ghost |
| 15:57.09 | space_ninja | that's big bang time |
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| 15:57.21 | space_ninja | oh well |
| 15:57.28 | space_ninja | I'll stay with testing |
| 15:57.43 | jetscreamer | you could stay with etch |
| 15:57.48 | Azar | jetscreamer: 8:57 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: ns |
| 15:57.54 | jetscreamer | bummer |
| 15:57.57 | jetscreamer | hm |
| 15:57.59 | space_ninja | is that the latest? |
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| 15:58.12 | space_ninja | how do I change it to etch in sourcelist? |
| 15:58.16 | jetscreamer | etch is testing, atm.. but soon to slide into the stable slot |
| 15:58.35 | jetscreamer | just change testing to etch |
| 15:58.36 | stew | space_ninja: etch is tesing. what he means is if you were to put "etch" instead of "testing" in sources.list, you will be on stable once etch releases. if you use testing, you'll be on lenny (the next testing) when etch releases |
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| 15:58.48 | Pc_Dark | um |
| 15:58.52 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 15:58.56 | Pc_Dark | backports, it couldn't download 1 of the index files, 404 |
| 15:59.06 | jetscreamer | try again Pc_Dark |
| 15:59.11 | Azar | space_ninja: use an editor and edit /etc/apt/sources.list < replace in all sources "stable" with "etch" |
| 15:59.13 | jetscreamer | sometimes it works for me |
| 15:59.19 | stew | Pc_Dark: what were you doing? apt-get install? apt-get update? |
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| 15:59.29 | jetscreamer | update |
| 15:59.33 | Pc_Dark | apt-get update |
| 15:59.47 | space_ninja | ok |
| 15:59.47 | stew | Pc_Dark: what is the url that was 404? |
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| 16:00.03 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.03 | Pc_Dark | Using backports.org is very simple: |
| 16:00.03 | Pc_Dark | 1. Add this line |
| 16:00.03 | Pc_Dark | deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-fre |
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| 16:00.15 | Pc_Dark | sorry |
| 16:00.19 | jetscreamer | !tell Pc_Dark -about paste |
| 16:00.21 | stew | Pc_Dark: that should be non-free not non-fre |
| 16:00.21 | space_ninja | I think I know what to do, but I get really confused with all these names, I like numbers instead :p |
| 16:00.54 | jetscreamer | space_ninja: http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list you can look at that and see what it might look like |
| 16:01.05 | Azar | space_ninja: stable is Sarge .. testing is Etch... unstable is Sid |
| 16:01.42 | space_ninja | aha |
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| 16:02.24 | space_ninja | thx |
| 16:02.42 | stew | space_ninja: and sarge is 3.1, etch will be 4.0. etch will become stable RealSoonNow |
| 16:03.00 | Azar | space_ninja: and sometimes soon will be : OldStable will be Sarge... Stable will be Etch ... Testing will be Lenny ... Unstable is allways Sid |
| 16:03.30 | Pc_Dark | I have "unmet dependancies" for openoffice.org |
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| 16:03.46 | space_ninja | aha ok |
| 16:04.10 | stew | Pc_Dark: what command are you typing? |
| 16:04.15 | space_ninja | thanks for clearing that out |
| 16:04.22 | Pc_Dark | apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 16:04.25 | Pc_Dark | should it be something else? |
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| 16:05.04 | stew | Pc_Dark: if you want to install from backports you either need to use -t or pinning, read the isntructions on backports.org |
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| 16:06.13 | Pc_Dark | still have unmet dependancies, stew |
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| 16:06.38 | stew | Pc_Dark: what command did you run? |
| 16:06.50 | Pc_Dark | apt-get -t sarge-backports install "openoffice.org" |
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| 16:07.27 | stew | Pc_Dark: put the output into a pastebin along with the output of "apt-cache policy packagename1 packagename2" for any packages it is complaining about |
| 16:07.31 | helo | what happens to a core dump if the present working directory isn't writeable? |
| 16:07.33 | stew | Pc_Dark: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 16:09.58 | Pc_Dark | http://pastebin.ca/397570 |
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| 16:12.19 | phreqmod | cheers |
| 16:12.54 | stew | Pc_Dark: try apt-get -t sarge-backports install openoffice.org openoffice.org-core openoffice.org-writer... |
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| 16:14.47 | Pc_Dark | i need "libneon24" & libsndfile1 |
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| 16:15.16 | jetscreamer | this roks dude http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
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| 16:16.05 | space_ninja | if I want install package A with "apt-get install", and the package A needs to install B and C. Will package B and C be removed when I apt-get remove A? |
| 16:16.18 | whaq | that roks dude |
| 16:16.33 | wols_ | space_ninja: no. |
| 16:16.38 | wols_ | aptitude can do it tho |
| 16:16.40 | stew | space_ninja: not with apt-get install, but they would with aptitude install |
| 16:17.10 | solar_sea | Is there a way to make the netinst i386 image recognize sata harddisks? I've just tried to install debian, but it said there aren't any harddisks detected. I did a ls /dev but there is no sd* either. |
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| 16:17.35 | stew | solar_sea: which version of debian? |
| 16:17.40 | cydork | solar_sea: which installer? |
| 16:17.40 | grendal_prime | i found a package for freetds-dev...i want freetds without the dev |
| 16:17.48 | space_ninja | but if B needs to install D and E? How will I be certain that D and E was installed when I installed package A? |
| 16:17.49 | jetscreamer | there's some sarge installer with a 2.6 kernel but i forget the factoid |
| 16:17.51 | solar_sea | debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:18.00 | stew | every sarge installer has a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:18.08 | stew | !linux26 |
| 16:18.08 | dpkg | i guess linux26 is the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
| 16:18.09 | stew | solar_sea: ^ |
| 16:18.10 | jetscreamer | make that LATER kernel |
| 16:18.22 | stew | solar_sea: if linux26 doesn't work, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 16:18.47 | jetscreamer | yeah that kmuto thingy |
| 16:19.09 | solar_sea | okey, I shall try it in a minute. And while i'm still here, is it possible to get the nvidia drivers with apt-get ? |
| 16:19.20 | darkstego | yes |
| 16:19.26 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:19.27 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 16:20.01 | jetscreamer | or /msg dokg nv.run for the frowned upon proprietarty nvidia installer (that 'just works'(tm)) |
| 16:20.07 | jetscreamer | dpkg even |
| 16:20.07 | dpkg | odd |
| 16:20.17 | solar_sea | okey, thank you all :) |
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| 16:20.50 | space_ninja | Does apt-get log everything it installs? |
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| 16:21.01 | darkstego | as in syslog? |
| 16:21.11 | darkstego | don't think so |
| 16:21.20 | cydork | space_ninja: in etch dpkg has a log. but apt-get doesn't |
| 16:21.29 | space_ninja | ok |
| 16:22.11 | jetscreamer | no, but aptitude does i hear |
| 16:22.11 | cydork | space_ninja: again aptitude does have log.. |
| 16:22.11 | space_ninja | ok nice |
| 16:22.14 | darkstego | anyone know how I can check the current TCP buffer size in use? |
| 16:22.15 | space_ninja | then aptitude is the tool to use |
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| 16:22.50 | stew | space_ninja: aptitude does in sarge, and dpkg logs everything installed from apt-get / aptitude / dselect / whatever etch and sid |
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| 16:23.57 | space_ninja | aha ok, so then I can still use apt-get and get everything logged |
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| 16:24.49 | torrr | how do I start xfce instead of gnome with freenx? |
| 16:25.21 | stew | space_ninja: if you are on etch (currently aka testing). if you are on sarge aka stable then no, apt-get doens't get logged |
| 16:26.04 | space_ninja | yeah but I'm changing to etch |
| 16:26.11 | space_ninja | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:26.33 | stew | space_ninja: as soon as dpkg > 1.13 is installed it will start logging everything in /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 16:26.53 | space_ninja | stew, ok thank you |
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| 16:27.29 | solar_sea | netinst 3.1 with 2.6 as a kernel doesn't detect sata drives too. I looked @ the dmesg, there was nothing too |
| 16:28.03 | darkstego | I installed debian on sata no problem |
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| 16:28.45 | darkstego | I kinda remember there was something I needed to do |
| 16:28.45 | solar_sea | well, i've got two disks, set in sata2 mode with configure sata as ide from bios |
| 16:28.51 | juice` | i get a lot of "printk: 5 messages suppressed. conntrack_ftp: partial 227 2759106650+20" messages on my debian. i know they have something to do with clients disconnecting and stuff, but how can i turn it off? |
| 16:29.01 | solar_sea | but it still says there are no partionable disks found |
| 16:29.02 | juice` | or maybe this is some kind of misconfiguration on my side? |
| 16:29.04 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 16:29.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 16:29.06 | stew | solar_sea: /msg dpkg kmuto ; or try the etch installer |
| 16:29.10 | darkstego | which installer? |
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| 16:29.26 | juice` | jetscreamer: but how to turn it off :/ |
| 16:29.44 | darkstego | because I had a similar problem recently |
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| 16:30.00 | solar_sea | stew thanks, i 'll take a look at this one |
| 16:30.08 | space_ninja | what's these "APIC error on CPU0 40(40)" I'm getting? |
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| 16:30.44 | jetscreamer | juice`: by setting kernel.printk to something else |
| 16:31.02 | jetscreamer | not sure exactly what, but that's how it's done iirc |
| 16:31.03 | xnfcre | is there an unofficial (or official) apt repository that has the bleeding etch ati/nvidia drivers for etch? |
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| 16:31.17 | jetscreamer | change the version # xnfcre |
| 16:31.18 | h3sp4wn | xnfcre: there is experimental |
| 16:31.37 | jetscreamer | !tell xnfcre -about nv.run |
| 16:31.38 | xnfcre | if the rest of my system is etch, will that do bad things? |
| 16:31.42 | h3sp4wn | xnfcre: still has 9746 though - source is nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 16:31.47 | jetscreamer | proprietary drivers though |
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| 16:32.26 | h3sp4wn | xnfcre: safest way is to use apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers (with a deb-src line for experimental) |
| 16:32.30 | hans0lo | Anyone knowledgeable with CIFS here? I am trying to mount a windows share with cifs, but it gives error -22 when I use a hostname. I have already put wins in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 16:32.51 | juice` | jetscreamer: how to set them to something else? there is no 'printk' string in man sysctl and there is no /usr/share/doc/sysctl and there |
| 16:32.51 | Pc_Dark | how do i install flash player |
| 16:33.02 | xnfcre | h3sp4wn: what would happen when a new kernel version comes out? |
| 16:33.18 | juice` | # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 16:33.18 | juice` | #kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
| 16:33.24 | juice` | ah... sorry, it seems this is it. |
| 16:33.26 | h3sp4wn | xnfcre: You have to build the module with ma-ai nvidia |
| 16:33.27 | xnfcre | would i need to download a version built for the newer kernel? |
| 16:33.32 | xnfcre | ah i was trying to get around that |
| 16:33.37 | h3sp4wn | xnfcre: m-a a-i nvidia (sorry) |
| 16:33.45 | xnfcre | i can already do that, but i like having it all handled through apt |
| 16:34.02 | xnfcre | i was hoping for a simple way to add a package like aptitude install nvidia-bleeding-edge |
| 16:34.04 | xnfcre | or something |
| 16:34.17 | xnfcre | and have it automatically update when a new kernel version comes out |
| 16:34.19 | jetscreamer | juice`: man sysctl , check out /proc/sys/kernel |
| 16:34.21 | juice` | jetscreamer: any idea which service i need to restart for it to start working? |
| 16:34.26 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:34.30 | Pc_Dark | how do i install flash player onto mozilla / ephanny |
| 16:34.37 | jetscreamer | i just barely remember how to suppress the printk spam |
| 16:34.37 | juice` | jetscreamer: i read man sysctl already, nothing there i think. |
| 16:34.44 | jetscreamer | yeah cept that link |
| 16:34.58 | jetscreamer | link/ directory |
| 16:35.16 | Pc_Dark | is there an iso recorder program |
| 16:35.19 | h3sp4wn | xnfcre: Maybe you could somehow hook it into update-grub - I don't know - with etch it will be very infrequent anyway |
| 16:35.22 | juice` | oh ok i see /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 16:35.22 | Pc_Dark | i want to install etch instead of sarge |
| 16:35.33 | juice` | i will set it to the values from sysctl.conf |
| 16:35.34 | wols_ | !tell Pc_Dark about cdrecord |
| 16:35.44 | wols_ | !tell Pc_Dark about sarge->etch |
| 16:35.47 | jetscreamer | mozilla-mozilla-mplayer - MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla |
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| 16:36.07 | xnfcre | h3sp4wn thx dude i'll just stick to building it manually |
| 16:36.07 | jetscreamer | oops sowwy |
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| 16:38.25 | Pc_Dark | wols |
| 16:38.27 | Pc_Dark | is sarge better |
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| 16:38.33 | Pc_Dark | or etch |
| 16:38.37 | Pc_Dark | for a notebook laptop |
| 16:38.38 | wols_ | !better |
| 16:38.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 16:39.19 | wols_ | etch I'd say since nootebooks usually have stuff like acpi and speedstep, things that should be better in etch |
| 16:39.19 | Pc_Dark | well I want to know whats better in your opinion, for a laptop |
| 16:39.19 | Pc_Dark | and |
| 16:39.19 | Pc_Dark | will it find my internal wireless card |
| 16:39.23 | jetscreamer | Pc_Dark: if i was gonna recommend something, which i'm NOT, i'd say go etch |
| 16:39.38 | wols_ | not guarantees, but chances to get it to work are muhc higher in etch |
| 16:39.42 | wols_ | what chip is it? |
| 16:39.48 | jetscreamer | !tell Pc_Dark -about laptop |
| 16:39.58 | Pc_Dark | its a dell inspiroin thing |
| 16:40.00 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: lspci -v |
| 16:40.01 | Pc_Dark | dunno |
| 16:40.11 | dkr | etch is a verb |
| 16:40.18 | wols_ | dkr: it's a name |
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| 16:40.32 | jetscreamer | he doesn't get it i guess, dkr |
| 16:40.36 | Pc_Dark | It's an intel prowireless 220BG |
| 16:40.38 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 16:40.45 | Rydekull | its both a name and a word |
| 16:40.50 | Rydekull | err, verb |
| 16:40.51 | Rydekull | :D |
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| 16:41.02 | dkr | yeah, that's what makes it cool. :) |
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| 16:41.09 | jetscreamer | etch-a-sketch |
| 16:41.10 | wols_ | !tell Pc_Dark about ipw2200 |
| 16:41.12 | cydork | Pc_Dark: then it should work just fine .. :) |
| 16:41.14 | stew | Pc_Dark: etch kernels have drivers for that card. but debian cannot distribute the required non-free firmware to actually make it work |
| 16:41.15 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: should work then |
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| 16:41.32 | Pc_Dark | i don't have a 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:41.43 | wols_ | you will with etch |
| 16:41.45 | Pc_Dark | ok |
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| 16:42.33 | richcollins | Can someone tell me what is wrong with this souces.list line: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
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| 16:43.08 | ErikRose | richcollins: Looks good to me. Hmm. |
| 16:43.21 | ErikRose | I always say "unstable" instead of "sid", but both should work. |
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| 16:43.26 | phreqmod | deb http://debian.ua.pt/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 16:43.29 | richcollins | ErikRose, Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:43.31 | richcollins | ... etc |
| 16:43.36 | phreqmod | ^^ Only difference is the final slash in debian |
| 16:43.42 | phreqmod | DOubt that is aa problem though |
| 16:43.59 | richcollins | phreqmod, no my stable mirror is the same (no slash) |
| 16:44.06 | phreqmod | Right. No idea then |
| 16:44.24 | richcollins | That error is after apt-cache update |
| 16:44.33 | badcfe | sarge installation cd cant find my ethernet card -- maybe a recent model -- are there more recent drivers in the etch distribution? |
| 16:44.50 | ErikRose | richcollins: I don't run unstable much. Does unstable have a non-free repo? |
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| 16:44.54 | wols_ | badcfe: yes |
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| 16:45.10 | xnfcre | badcfe: most definitely |
| 16:45.19 | azeem | ErikRose: yes |
| 16:45.26 | wols_ | badcfe: but check beforehand what driver you need |
| 16:45.31 | richcollins | ErikRose, I don't know |
| 16:45.33 | ErikRose | Then I don't know what suggest, richcollins, but to try another mirror. |
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| 16:45.41 | azeem | badcfe: did you use the "linux26" option at the CD boot prompt? |
| 16:45.49 | richcollins | ErikRose, Ok thanks I am new to Debian - thought maybe I had something wrong |
| 16:46.12 | azeem | richcollins: try a different mirror then, maybe |
| 16:46.22 | ErikRose | richcollins: I also see you're asking for AMD64 packages; unstable is unstable enough to be missing them, in theory. In practice, I don't know if they should be there. |
| 16:46.24 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to wirelessly print like I can with windows? |
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| 16:46.43 | badcfe | azeem: nope. ill try that. thanks! |
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| 16:46.50 | richcollins | ErikRose, Hrm ok |
| 16:47.16 | ErikRose | richcollins: Though, looking closer at your error, it looks like it's missing the whole list of AMD64 packages, which it shouldn't be. |
| 16:47.17 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: wirelessly print? |
| 16:47.19 | azeem | ErikRose: uhm, they should be there |
| 16:47.23 | Pc_Dark | yeah |
| 16:47.25 | ErikRose | richcollins: Try another mirror before panicking. :-) |
| 16:47.29 | richcollins | heh |
| 16:47.29 | richcollins | ok |
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| 16:47.33 | Pc_Dark | I can print through my print server on a windows machine in my house |
| 16:47.39 | Pc_Dark | using our wireless workgroup network |
| 16:47.50 | wols_ | sure. you can print over samba |
| 16:47.54 | richcollins | yeah stable isn't working either - must be the mirror |
| 16:47.57 | azeem | Pc_Dark: you can print over the network with GNU/Linux, wireless isn't special in this regard |
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| 16:47.59 | wols_ | or you can use IPP |
| 16:48.03 | efaistos | hi |
| 16:48.07 | Pc_Dark | well, i'm gonna get etch working first |
| 16:48.14 | richcollins | although that is the primary mirror for the US |
| 16:48.17 | wols_ | good idea :) |
| 16:48.28 | phizwhiz | ok regarding daylight savings, if i haven't upgraded anything in a *long* while, do i just need to upgrade libc6 to get the latest dst info? |
| 16:48.33 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to get something like crossover office for free? |
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| 16:48.46 | phreqmod | Pc_Dark, you can get wine for free |
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| 16:48.53 | efaistos | I just installed phppgadmin and I dont see anything under /var/www/ ... how does it work exactly ? |
| 16:48.55 | Pc_Dark | can that run ms office? |
| 16:49.00 | phreqmod | Pc_Dark, which can run some Office apps. |
| 16:49.12 | phreqmod | Pc_Dark, I think so, but some fiddling is required |
| 16:49.16 | Pc_Dark | openoffice.org has some nice features... |
| 16:49.21 | Pc_Dark | like export to PDF |
| 16:49.24 | phreqmod | It's not like Crossover with the GUI freontend |
| 16:49.36 | badcfe | linux26 doesnt find eth neither. at startup of the poweredge i see a message "broadcom nextreme" but none in my dmesg |
| 16:49.41 | phreqmod | visit winehq.org and see the list of supported apps |
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| 16:49.54 | ufk | what repository do i need to add for nvidia-kernel-common package? |
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| 16:50.01 | roue | hola |
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| 16:51.05 | richcollins | ErikRose, Heh apt-cache update isn't a valid command |
| 16:51.16 | ErikRose | richcollins: That's true. :-) |
| 16:51.22 | phizwhiz | looking at /etc/localtime, i see that the dst info is wrong |
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| 16:51.33 | richcollins | ah dammit apt-get update did the same thing from another mirror :( |
| 16:51.52 | ErikRose | Weird. |
| 16:52.00 | phizwhiz | ok i need a new tzdata file |
| 16:52.23 | wols_ | ErikRose: you have to link it there or copy there yourself. it's in /usr/share somewhere. use dpkg to find out where its index file is |
| 16:52.39 | ErikRose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.48 | wols_ | phizwhiz: topic? |
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| 16:52.55 | roue | debian-legal question: the web group I'm in has recently released our php based web content management system as open source. It's horrible to install, so I won't mention the details. They've asked me about creating a vmware image so we can provide a working system to folks interested in the project. I'd like to use debian as the base install. What do I need to include (license doc wise, or otherwise) along with the image so I'm doing right |
| 16:52.56 | roue | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.22 | phizwhiz | thanks wols_ i just saw that |
| 16:53.57 | wols_ | roue: the licneses for the software are always in /usr/share/doc/ anyways. but you need to also distribute your shources to be in the clear according to the GPL |
| 16:54.00 | richcollins | ah my alma matter saved me :) ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu |
| 16:54.02 | Pc_Dark | where can I download java runtime things and stuff, apt-get won't get it for me |
| 16:54.05 | stew | roue: debian puts the license information for the debian software in /usr/share/doc/$pacakgename/copyright |
| 16:54.18 | wols_ | !telll Pc_Dark about java |
| 16:54.44 | roue | so if I'm packaging up an installed etch in the vmware image I don't need to add anything else? Our project is PHP so all the sources are included. |
| 16:55.00 | wols_ | roue: sources for debian. |
| 16:55.03 | roue | ah. |
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| 16:55.16 | HowlingMad | whats best irc client for gnome ? |
| 16:55.21 | stew | !best irc client |
| 16:55.21 | dpkg | i heard irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 16:55.26 | un1xer | Guys, Where can i find a list of commands to use here on the chanell? |
| 16:55.30 | roue | is it enough to link to the sources on debian.org? |
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| 16:55.40 | roue | it'd be crazy to have a multi gig image. |
| 16:55.42 | wols_ | roue: why I doubt anyone would sue you unless you modified debian, you still have to distribute sources or provide them on request |
| 16:55.43 | HowlingMad | thnx |
| 16:55.45 | phreqmod | roue, in general yes. |
| 16:55.55 | Pc_Dark | wols_ |
| 16:55.58 | richcollins | Can you choose between unstable and stable when installing a single package? |
| 16:56.00 | wols_ | phizwhiz: no it's not |
| 16:56.10 | phreqmod | roue, the "provide them on request" is the interesting bit, you don't need to have all of etch's source code available |
| 16:56.18 | Pc_Dark | I need java-gcj-compat, java2-runtime, and another java something |
| 16:56.22 | wols_ | roue: it's not enough legally, but again: you getting sued over it is basically nil |
| 16:56.25 | HowlingMad | is irssi-text x windows ? |
| 16:56.25 | roue | okay, so I'd only be in trouble if debian.org went away and I couldn't get the sources should they be requested. |
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| 16:56.33 | stew | richcollins: don't mix stable and unstable, so if you are running stable, get rid of any unstable binary sources you have in sources.list |
| 16:56.39 | stew | HowlingMad: no |
| 16:56.44 | wols_ | HowlingMad: it's console |
| 16:56.51 | stew | HowlingMad: its ncurses |
| 16:56.56 | phreqmod | roue, you can point people that ask - and nobody will - to the Debian mirrors. If they insist youy can put in on a DVD and charge for the media, P&P and general trouble |
| 16:57.06 | Pc_Dark | is it ppossible to get those, wols_ |
| 16:57.07 | richcollins | stew, I installed some things under stable (testing actually) but now I need sometjhing from unstable |
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| 16:57.20 | roue | okay. thanks for letting me know. |
| 16:57.25 | stew | richcollins: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 16:57.26 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: yes and dpkg gave you pointers how |
| 16:57.55 | richcollins | stew, 2.3.6.ds1-11 |
| 16:58.08 | phreqmod | roue, well, even with debian.org away - which will not happen, since Debian is eternal and will distribute software via UUCP if this internet fad goes away - there are plenty of palces where the source code is. |
| 16:58.09 | Pc_Dark | i have to install etch first? |
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| 16:58.17 | richcollins | stew, I am happy to upgrade all packages to unstable |
| 16:58.23 | stew | richcollins: ok, so that is an out of date testing. /msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix |
| 16:58.32 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: not necessarily |
| 16:58.36 | stew | richcollins: however note that you should not mix etch and sid after etch releases |
| 16:58.37 | richcollins | this is just my personal vps with my blog ... etc |
| 16:58.41 | Pc_Dark | is it easier that way? |
| 16:58.43 | phreqmod | roue, basically, you can burn a DVD with all of src debs and put in the chest just in case. |
| 16:58.43 | Pc_Dark | I'll do etch first |
| 16:58.43 | wols_ | but if you install it anyways, then you should do that first |
| 16:58.51 | richcollins | stew, can I just upgrade everything to sid? |
| 16:59.04 | stew | richcollins: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 16:59.04 | Xteven | (poll) what do you people make presentations in ? |
| 16:59.08 | stew | !poll |
| 16:59.09 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 16:59.12 | wols_ | richcollins: you can, but when you have to ask about it, you shouldn't |
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| 16:59.50 | space_ninja | with" contrib non-free," do I only get the non-free packages or do I get free+non-free packages? |
| 16:59.55 | Xteven | stew : it was actually a question :P |
| 16:59.59 | phreqmod | roue, things could be more complex, but for your purposed I think that you shouldn't really care that much... for the Debian part point out that people can get it from Debian, just concentrate in providing the source code for your code. |
| 17:00.28 | phizwhiz | you get contrib and non-free space_ninja |
| 17:00.43 | roue | phreqmod makes sense. That's what we'll do. |
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| 17:01.10 | richcollins | Perhaps instead of iyhtays, you should say, if you have to ask I will kindly point you in the right direction to learn more about it :( |
| 17:01.15 | space_ninja | aha |
| 17:01.48 | stew | richcollins: /msg dpkg reference ; /msg dpkg grounding |
| 17:01.48 | phizwhiz | space_ninja: i think you want main in there too |
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| 17:02.00 | noeolabo | Hi, i am trying to install squid to access a ftp remote host using this schema : ftp://host@mySquidServer:21 where can i look ? |
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| 17:02.24 | richcollins | stew, ty |
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| 17:02.52 | space_ninja | phizwhiz, but isn't main included in etch main contrib non-free? |
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| 17:03.23 | Pc_Dark | how do I get flash player to work |
| 17:03.34 | phizwhiz | i know nothing about etch |
| 17:03.41 | space_ninja | ok |
| 17:03.45 | phizwhiz | i guess it's the next debian release |
| 17:03.57 | Pc_Dark | how do I install flash |
| 17:04.07 | jelly-home | !flash |
| 17:04.07 | dpkg | well, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:04.08 | Pc_Dark | i want to watch this video |
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| 17:04.12 | phizwhiz | what's gonna happen when the charactors are all used up? |
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| 17:04.43 | stew | phizwhiz: its up to the whims of the release managers at then time when that actually happens |
| 17:04.53 | phizwhiz | maybe start using the names of the animators and production team |
| 17:04.54 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to make flash work in mozilla? |
| 17:05.07 | space_ninja | they go over to shrek characters maybe? := |
| 17:05.07 | Pc_Dark | it says only a few browsers I've never herad of -_- |
| 17:05.08 | stew | fsvo work |
| 17:05.13 | space_ninja | :) |
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| 17:05.36 | space_ninja | why was toy story picked+ |
| 17:05.48 | space_ninja | ? |
| 17:06.24 | jetscreamer | Pc_Dark: yeah it works afaik |
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| 17:06.32 | Azar | space_ninja: here is a general view http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/concise-apt-get-dpkg-primer-for-new.html |
| 17:06.32 | jetscreamer | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 17:06.35 | h3xis | space_ninja, ian murdoc's favorite movie? |
| 17:06.47 | wols_ | jetscreamer: flash != mplayer |
| 17:06.49 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section graphics, is extra. Version: 3.31+main-1 (sid), Packaged size: 471 kB, Installed size: 1624 kB |
| 17:06.57 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: and yes it's possible for x86 |
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| 17:07.09 | jetscreamer | get the vlc plugin also |
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| 17:07.27 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 17:08.16 | dkr | space_ninja: my google search says: "...“Toy Story” animated cartoon film, a tradition that started with version 2,0 when Bruce Perens, then leader of the Debian project and later founder of the Open Source Initiative and the term Open Source, worked for the company that was in charge for make this film." |
| 17:08.46 | space_ninja | aha cool |
| 17:08.47 | stew | h3xis: ian had left the project before 1.1 was release iirc |
| 17:09.02 | juice` | is there any place in linux where i can find listed detected hardrives? in dmesg i can only find sized of them and sda sdb and such, but not names! |
| 17:09.06 | phizwhiz | i still got my collection of slink floppies |
| 17:09.08 | Azar | stew: why? why he left? |
| 17:09.12 | schitzo` | no |
| 17:09.30 | wols_ | juice`: lspci, hwinfo, etc |
| 17:09.39 | juice` | nothing in lspci |
| 17:09.48 | stew | Azar: he left to work on other projects |
| 17:09.50 | wols_ | what are you looking for? |
| 17:09.51 | juice` | drives are not pci i guess |
| 17:10.04 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/something |
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| 17:10.12 | dkr | hwinfo --short is nifty. I started using it recently |
| 17:10.13 | juice` | wols: names of my disks, like seagate, western digital and model names |
| 17:10.15 | wols_ | and yes, dmesg tells you the modelname of your harddisks |
| 17:10.20 | jetscreamer | /proc/ide/something |
| 17:10.23 | Azar | stew: ah I see.. thanks |
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| 17:10.27 | juice` | wols: it doesnt :( not my dmesg |
| 17:10.36 | stew | Azar: ironically, he's in the NM queue now, and his application was put on hold |
| 17:10.40 | wols_ | juice`: paste it in full in pastebin |
| 17:10.53 | Azar | :) haha |
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| 17:11.14 | efaistos | I just installed phppgadmin and I dont see anything under /var/www/ ... but the doc is saying that the application should be available at localhost/phppgadmin but there is nothin |
| 17:11.43 | efaistos | any idea ? |
| 17:11.43 | Pc_Dark | will debian etch let me use an optical mouse AND my touchpad |
| 17:11.43 | jetscreamer | for instance, cat /proc/ide/ide0/hda/model |
| 17:12.01 | wols_ | e.g my old notebook: Mar 7 17:07:01 localhost kernel: hda: IBM-DADA-26480, ATA DISK drive |
| 17:12.06 | noeolabo | How can i configure squid so that if user wants to connect to a ftp host, some ftp clients on windows offer such config too, they enter something like ftp://ftp.kernel.org@myproxyserver:21 |
| 17:12.16 | stew | Pc_Dark: yes |
| 17:12.19 | wols_ | efaistos: I already told you what to do |
| 17:12.26 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 17:12.40 | Pc_Dark | is there DVD players for etch? |
| 17:12.40 | juice` | wols_: ok guess i was wrong, it does list it but only short model name, but that is enough i guess |
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| 17:13.09 | juice` | and thanks for hwinfo , it is very nice |
| 17:13.27 | stew | Pc_Dark: yes, but debian provides no way for you to play encrypted dvds |
| 17:13.29 | efaistos | wols_: oups sorry didnt see ... afk for 5 minutes ... |
| 17:13.43 | efaistos | wols_: can you repeat ? :) |
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| 17:13.50 | jetscreamer | debian main doesn't |
| 17:13.58 | wols_ | phpmyadmin has the same problem. you basically make a symlink from it to /var/www/ somewhere |
| 17:14.05 | jetscreamer | see !marillat for libdvdcss |
| 17:14.09 | wols_ | find out where its directory is with dpkg |
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| 17:15.09 | pif | hi, what is the preferred tool for writing data (udf) dvd's nowadays under debian? |
| 17:15.24 | pif | geniso + cdrecord ? |
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| 17:15.53 | Pc_Dark | stew: is it possible to play them with extra software? |
| 17:16.01 | Pc_Dark | as, windows can play all my dvds |
| 17:16.28 | stew | Pc_Dark: i don't know of a way for you to do it legally |
| 17:16.38 | Pc_Dark | is it legal with windows? |
| 17:16.50 | biz | is there a good tool to detect duplicate mp3s, but not based on any hash but rather on the id3 tags, then removes the version with the lower average bitrate? |
| 17:16.57 | Pc_Dark | wait, are most movie dvd's encrypted? |
| 17:17.00 | jetscreamer | Pc_Dark: it's the warez part... |
| 17:17.01 | stew | Pc_Dark: yes |
| 17:17.11 | Pc_Dark | oh. |
| 17:17.12 | jetscreamer | !tell Pc_Dark -about marillat |
| 17:17.13 | stew | Pc_Dark: and yes |
| 17:17.26 | efaistos | wols_: a symlink from where to /var/www? |
| 17:17.29 | Pc_Dark | why is it illegal with debian than ... |
| 17:17.42 | jetscreamer | go there do that for neato dvd stuff, including libdvdcss2 |
| 17:17.45 | wols_ | efaistos: from where phppgadmin's files are installed. that directory |
| 17:17.54 | jetscreamer | which lets you play the dvd's |
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| 17:18.04 | Pc_Dark | hm |
| 17:18.07 | h3sp4wn | Pc_Dark: It could be possibly legal to use the windows codecs from your copy of windows (but much more hassle than just using debian-multimedia) |
| 17:18.15 | jetscreamer | probably not gpl but i don't know |
| 17:18.19 | stew | Pc_Dark: there might be a legal software encoder you could buy somewhere. the only ones I know of that would work under debian do so by illegally breaking the encyption |
| 17:18.24 | jetscreamer | get w32codecs from marillat also |
| 17:18.33 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: cause it's been reverse engineered and the MPAA/MPEG-LA sued people who distributed it. debian doesn't want to be sued |
| 17:18.44 | Pc_Dark | mm |
| 17:18.49 | Pc_Dark | What about WINE on powerdvd5.3 |
| 17:18.51 | stew | h3sp4wn: we're not talking about codecs but css encryption |
| 17:19.04 | h3sp4wn | stew: there is windows dvd codecs |
| 17:19.12 | khermans_ | i have to drives on an NVidia mobo using SATA, and windows was installed OK, however, I want to see this array in Linux, but sata_nv still sees this as two sep[arate devices /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 17:19.13 | wols_ | stew: MPEG2 being totally patented is another matter.... |
| 17:19.17 | stew | h3sp4wn: ok, but we're not talking about codecs but css encryption |
| 17:19.29 | stew | wols_: yes, that is entirely separate |
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| 17:19.50 | wols_ | stew: but same result no? why are there mpeg2 decodes in debian btw? |
| 17:20.06 | stew | wols_: why wouldnt' there be? |
| 17:20.09 | jetscreamer | ok so what is the reason you can't play a legally owned dvd bought from a store under debian |
| 17:20.37 | jetscreamer | drm? |
| 17:20.42 | krazykit | jetscreamer: because the MPAA hates consumers |
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| 17:21.00 | stew | jetscreamer: the only ways i know of for doing it under debian require illegally subverting the encryption, which would be against the DMCA in the us where i live and it appears the Pc_Dark lives |
| 17:21.05 | bohsain | how can i change the resolution/hertz in the command line/shell? |
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| 17:21.09 | torrrrr | how can I check how much real memory one user use? |
| 17:21.11 | krazykit | jetscreamer: so you'll want to install libdvdcss, which you can get from debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:21.25 | wols_ | stew: cause it's patented and therefore debian infringes on patents? |
| 17:21.28 | jetscreamer | krazykit: been there |
| 17:21.32 | jetscreamer | done that |
| 17:21.40 | krazykit | you installed libdvdcss then? |
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| 17:21.59 | jetscreamer | krazykit: i don't need help getting it going it works i was just asking |
| 17:22.03 | krazykit | ah |
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| 17:22.08 | krazykit | yeah, DMCA bullshit |
| 17:22.11 | jetscreamer | or not even asking, just wondering |
| 17:22.11 | stew | wols_: i didn't know mpeg2 decryption was covered by patent. |
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| 17:22.40 | jetscreamer | the other guy was asking though |
| 17:22.40 | stew | wols_: mp3 encryption is, perhaps that is what you were thinking of? |
| 17:22.42 | torrrrr | or what users are logged in? |
| 17:22.55 | Azar | torrrrr: w or who |
| 17:23.03 | wols_ | stew: from wikipedia: Approximately 640 patents world wide make up the "essential" intellectual property surrounding MPEG-2. |
| 17:23.06 | jetscreamer | torrrrr: who | top |
| 17:23.14 | wols_ | no I was thinking of MPEG2 and its LA |
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| 17:23.35 | wols_ | of course they are purely software patents, which means not enforceable everywhere but certainly in the US |
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| 17:23.56 | torrrrr | who is nice |
| 17:24.09 | Azar | torrrrr: try what jetscreamer said too |
| 17:24.10 | wols_ | "Decoders have a $0.50 charge for each product. [3]" |
| 17:24.15 | torrrrr | top isn't unless I miss an option |
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| 17:24.35 | torrrrr | I want the total ram used by a user, not process list |
| 17:24.36 | jetscreamer | top you can see by user |
| 17:24.37 | Pc_Dark | whats the businesscard version of etch |
| 17:24.42 | jetscreamer | oh ok nm |
| 17:24.53 | wols_ | "In the case of GPL'ed software such as VLC (which uses the Libdvdcss library) and in which the software is not sold, the end-user bears the royalty." |
| 17:24.53 | Azar | torrrrr: install htop then use who | htop |
| 17:25.03 | Pc_Dark | what's the businesscard version of etch |
| 17:25.09 | krazykit | Pc_Dark: an image that you can fit onto a this little tiny CD |
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| 17:25.18 | Pc_Dark | does it install etch still? |
| 17:25.22 | krazykit | yes |
| 17:25.26 | richcollins | How do I remove a package when apt-get remove fails |
| 17:25.30 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 17:25.34 | jetscreamer | yes and you don't have to update the old stuff the netinst one put on your box |
| 17:25.37 | wols_ | richcollins: how does it fail? |
| 17:25.40 | Azar | richcollins: try aptitude remove |
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| 17:26.05 | richcollins | wols_, It is trying to stop the webserver, which is not running |
| 17:26.06 | Azar | richcollins: if the package runs as a process stop it first |
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| 17:26.25 | richcollins | Azar, It is trying to stop it - but I could never get it to start |
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| 17:26.58 | Azar | richcollins: /etc/init.d/"processname" stop |
| 17:27.08 | richcollins | Azar, It is not running |
| 17:27.10 | richcollins | that is the problem |
| 17:27.17 | richcollins | Stopping nginx: invoke-rc.d: initscript nginx, action "stop" failed |
| 17:29.07 | Azar | richcollins: you got the message of the failing removal with apt-get remove ? |
| 17:29.07 | richcollins | Azar, yes |
| 17:29.07 | Azar | !paster |
| 17:29.07 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 17:29.08 | Azar | try pasting it |
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| 17:29.09 | Pc_Dark | how do i use cdrecord to record an iso? |
| 17:29.09 | karsten | Azar: Nope, didn't work. |
| 17:29.19 | Azar | karsten: :) |
| 17:29.23 | karsten | Pc_Dark: You don't. |
| 17:29.34 | Pc_Dark | how would I record an ISO image then? |
| 17:29.46 | cahoot | Pc_Dark: cdrecord dev=/dev/hd* my.iso |
| 17:29.47 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Or rather, if I misunderstood your question the way I thought you meant, you don't. |
| 17:29.55 | Spec | where can I find a specific version of postfix-doc? is there a way to search archive.debian.org? |
| 17:29.55 | karsten | Pc_Dark: mkiso. |
| 17:30.00 | Pc_Dark | I want to put an ISO image onto my CD |
| 17:30.06 | Pc_Dark | so I can boot another OS |
| 17:30.15 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: if you want to burn an ISO file in sarge, cdrecord is what you need |
| 17:30.21 | Pc_Dark | i have it |
| 17:30.23 | Azar | Spec: apt-cache search packagename |
| 17:30.32 | wols_ | you do no "record" an ISO when you burn it |
| 17:30.32 | Pc_Dark | i have cdrecord |
| 17:30.37 | karsten | Pc_Dark: That's called burning a disk. In which case I misunderstood your question incorrectly, and yes, you can use cdrecord to do it. |
| 17:30.43 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 17:30.47 | Spec | Azar: but i need a specific version that's not 'current' in oldstable/stable/woody/sarge/sid... |
| 17:30.50 | karsten | wols_: rip, not burn. |
| 17:30.55 | Pc_Dark | How would I burn the etch.iso file to a disc |
| 17:30.58 | torrrrr | Azar do you mean to write 'who|htop' |
| 17:31.07 | Spec | err, delete woody 'cause it is oldstable |
| 17:31.10 | Azar | torrrrr: yes with spaces in between |
| 17:31.14 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: do you use gnome or kde? |
| 17:31.20 | Pc_Dark | Gnome |
| 17:31.23 | dererk[work] | Did anyone implement Enomalism on Debian? |
| 17:31.27 | Pc_Dark | I'm gonna use KDE when i install etch though |
| 17:31.36 | wols_ | gnomebaker or gcombust should be able to burn it then |
| 17:31.39 | richcollins | Azar, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5732 |
| 17:31.41 | karsten | Pc_Dark: k3b might be easier for you. basic cdrecord recipie is ... |
| 17:32.04 | torrrrr | Azar, I did but the result was not good |
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| 17:32.09 | Azar | Spec: it might be a neater way which I do not know but only the hard way: search http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 17:32.20 | Pc_Dark | just tell me the command to burn the ISO |
| 17:32.24 | cahoot | Pc_Dark: cdrecord dev=/dev/hd* my.iso |
| 17:32.34 | stew | Pc_Dark: in sarge or etch? |
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| 17:32.38 | Spec | Azar: already searched that ;) |
| 17:32.50 | karsten | cahoot: are the defaults sane? Eg: eject, burnfree, etc.? |
| 17:32.54 | h3sp4wn | Spec: /msg dpkg s.d.n |
| 17:32.54 | Pc_Dark | sarge |
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| 17:33.07 | Pc_Dark | I want to burn /home/pcdark/Desktop/etch.iso to my disc |
| 17:33.13 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Yeah, we got that. |
| 17:33.21 | Pc_Dark | so |
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| 17:33.24 | stew | cahoot: does that work in 2.4? |
| 17:33.27 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 17:33.29 | stew | Pc_Dark: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:33.33 | Azar | richcollins: are you running that program while you are trying to stop/remove it? |
| 17:33.40 | torrrrr | Azar, it get stuck two lines on the top 'Trace of precess 2640 - /sbin/kloged -x ...', one on the buttom with F4 AutoScroll F5 Stop Tracein Esc Done |
| 17:33.43 | Pc_Dark | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 17:33.48 | richcollins | Azar, no |
| 17:33.49 | cahoot | stew: right - I've totally forgot about 2.4 |
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| 17:34.15 | Azar | torrrrr: try to look at it in full screen, maximize that term window |
| 17:34.17 | karsten | Pc_Dark: RTFM for starters. You'll need to specify the target device (there are a few different syntaxes for that), and I'd specify "burnfree" which avoids creating coasters if the burn buffer ever empties. |
| 17:34.34 | stew | so does he have to use ide-scsi? |
| 17:34.37 | karsten | Pc_Dark: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/30 |
| 17:34.42 | Pc_Dark | uh |
| 17:34.43 | Edward_TLS | top - 18:34:01 up 174 days, 8:59, 1 user, load average: 947.34, 848.09, 440.0 |
| 17:34.45 | torrrrr | Azar, I was in maximized |
| 17:34.45 | Edward_TLS | lol... |
| 17:34.47 | Pc_Dark | I just want the command to burn my ISO |
| 17:35.04 | Edward_TLS | Tasks: 1516 total, 91 running, 1401 sleeping, 0 stopped, 24 zombie <-- like everything is running.. |
| 17:35.05 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Basic recipie: # cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,0,0 -burnfree -data cdimage.iso |
| 17:35.06 | Azar | richcollins: what if you exit x go in as root, use htop and try to stop it from there, then repeat doing "aptitude remove ngnix" ? |
| 17:35.09 | Spec | h3sp4wn: thanks, that's what i was thinking of, but they don't have the version i want either :-/ |
| 17:35.11 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: if some other things aren't set up, this command will fail |
| 17:35.13 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 17:35.16 | torrrrr | Azar, htop looks nice, but when I pipe who into it, it don't know waht to do with it |
| 17:35.24 | torrrrr | Azar, and get stuck |
| 17:35.29 | Pc_Dark | cdrecord -v speed=2 dev=0,0,0 -burnfree -data /home/pcdark/Desktop/etch.iso |
| 17:35.33 | Pc_Dark | is that right? |
| 17:35.39 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Which is why a front-end (like K3B, or the gnome equivs) help. |
| 17:35.41 | richcollins | Azar, As I said - the process is not running |
| 17:35.46 | Azar | torrrrr: at the top it shows you the cpu and mem usage.. to exit just press F10 |
| 17:35.51 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Lose the speed line, not necessary. |
| 17:35.56 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 17:36.05 | Azar | richcollins: try to remove it again then |
| 17:36.06 | karsten | Pc_Dark: And run "cdrecord -scanbus" to get the right device. |
| 17:36.11 | stew | Pc_Dark: modprobe -r ide-cd ; modprobe ide-scsi ; cdrecord -scanbus ; try to find the right numbers for you drive (0,0,0 maybe or 1,0,0 maybe) then plug those numbers into that command line at the dev= portion |
| 17:36.13 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I have a trouble with dpkg or apt-get. |
| 17:36.21 | Azar | richcollins: you could use aptitude remove -purge packagename |
| 17:36.30 | torrrrr | Azar, yes I see... but any chance to see total mem usage for each user only |
| 17:36.33 | stew | it will be great once we can ditch ide-scsi completely |
| 17:36.39 | karsten | Pc_Dark: There's a config file you can run that in under /etc as well. I don't have a burner on this laptop so I can't tell you 'zactly. |
| 17:36.48 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Installing ssh, I received the message: dpkg: error while cleaning up: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:37.02 | Pc_Dark | cdrecord -scanbus didn't work |
| 17:37.04 | wols_ | Azar: the trouble is the prorgam IS NOT RUNNING. and the prerm script chokes on that |
| 17:37.47 | karsten | Pc_Dark: How didn't it work? |
| 17:37.50 | richcollins | Azar, no you see what is happening is that it is trying to stop the process when it is NOT running |
| 17:38.02 | richcollins | wols_, right |
| 17:38.24 | Pc_Dark | 0,0,0 says removable cd rom |
| 17:38.27 | Pc_Dark | so that's what i'll use |
| 17:38.34 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Right. |
| 17:38.39 | Azar | Stopping nginx: invoke-rc.d: initscript nginx, action "stop" failed. << so what this tells us? |
| 17:38.48 | karsten | Pc_Dark: ... unless you've got two drives, that should be right. |
| 17:38.58 | Pc_Dark | etch is testing right? |
| 17:39.07 | wols_ | Pc_Dark: yes |
| 17:39.10 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 17:40.21 | Pc_Dark | bad option, burnfree |
| 17:40.35 | Azar | richcollins: the process is stopped only apt does not think it is.. or the process is not stopped but does not show up in top |
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| 17:42.33 | Azar | torrrrr: I tried on my user and htop goes crazy... |
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| 17:42.53 | richcollins | Azar: the process is stopped only apt does not think it is |
| 17:42.56 | richcollins | that might be the case |
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| 17:45.07 | Azar | richcollins: tried aptitude? |
| 17:45.13 | richcollins | Azar, yes |
| 17:45.15 | richcollins | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg310671.html |
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| 17:46.58 | cberl1 | Hi folks! Anyone know whatever became of the Debian openmosix tools? |
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| 17:47.36 | Azar | richcollins: could you use the force, (Luke) ? |
| 17:47.57 | richcollins | Azar, heh dammit I don't have much force in the debian area |
| 17:48.44 | Azar | likeee...hmmm aptitude remove -f nginx ? |
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| 17:49.41 | torrrrr | why is htop shoing 304/2027MB and top shows 1226MB used? |
| 17:49.46 | cberl1 | Alright, anyone know if the ltsp stuff in Debian currently works with local device support? |
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| 17:50.25 | cydork | torrrrr: free -m look at the second line |
| 17:51.24 | torrrrr | cydork, yes the second line looks more like htop |
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| 17:51.36 | torrrrr | cydork, which is the correct one? |
| 17:51.54 | mike1980 | coould anyone please tell me what I woould add to my etch sources.list to be able to apt-get the ndiswrapper-modules |
| 17:52.08 | Azar | torrrrr: do: free -m |
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| 17:52.38 | Azar | ah cydork :) |
| 17:53.03 | cydork | torrrrr: both, second line is -buffer used by kernel |
| 17:53.15 | stew | mike1980: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 17:53.36 | cberl1 | Should I use the ltsp-server package or the ltspadmin tools? |
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| 17:54.09 | torrrrr | cydork, ah, I am starting to get it. Are these buffers redundent? |
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| 17:55.35 | mike1980 | Stew: that just returns ndiswrapper one-liner ? |
| 17:55.52 | cydork | torrrrr: not actully, that is actully used by the kernel. |
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| 17:56.33 | stew | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 17:56.33 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 17:56.40 | Azar | hey!!! I never knew about swapiness... 2.6.x kernels |
| 17:56.53 | mike1980 | Stew: ah ok thanks |
| 17:56.54 | Azar | wee needd educashun on swapiness |
| 17:57.11 | Azar | thats important at install/partition time |
| 17:57.25 | cahoot | it is? |
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| 17:57.30 | Azar | cahoot: yep |
| 17:57.40 | richcollins | Azar, heh I just replaced the init.d script with a ruby script that returns code 0 >:) |
| 17:58.23 | Azar | Since 2.6, there has been a way to tune how much Linux favors swapping out to disk compared to shrinking the caches when memory gets full. << I want to know more |
| 17:58.37 | Azar | richcollins: ahhh cooll :) |
| 17:58.38 | valdyn | Azar: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 17:58.51 | Azar | thanks valdyn :) |
| 17:59.27 | scv | swapping? I put everything in the ram |
| 17:59.31 | cahoot | looks like the proverbial rope |
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| 17:59.55 | scv | when you have 4GB ram, swapping is silly |
| 18:00.05 | rahul | scv: not so |
| 18:00.07 | rahul | cache is good. |
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| 18:00.49 | valdyn | scv: it doesnt just depend on ram, but on workload too |
| 18:00.56 | stew | scv: if you have an application that is in a sleep state and has been there for a long time, why waste potential disk cache on it? |
| 18:01.09 | valdyn | like this eclipse can easily use 2G |
| 18:01.20 | enouf | stew: no need for 'm-a prepare' before the 'm-a a-i' in the ndiswrapper one-liner? |
| 18:01.21 | scv | while my linux was booting, it took a few time to load everything into the ram, and...hehehe |
| 18:01.29 | valdyn | and that's not even talking about multiprocess server stuff yet |
| 18:01.30 | stew | enouf: i don't know |
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| 18:04.11 | scv | stew: you won't need to worry about that if you had 4GB ram |
| 18:04.29 | Azar | scv: not true, swap is allways good to have |
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| 18:04.43 | Azar | scv: the only thing is: how much you allocate |
| 18:05.00 | scv | Azer, my swap space is idle all the day... -_- |
| 18:05.04 | phreqmod | Azar, good to have, but for a desktop system for example not good to *use* unless really required IMHO |
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| 18:05.12 | stew | scv: why why not? |
| 18:05.24 | Azar | scv: I go by the book.. |
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| 18:05.55 | scv | anyway, a hdd eat more power than a CF card |
| 18:06.02 | scv | s/eat/eats |
| 18:06.04 | Pc_Dark | i had an error writing the disc after 7mb |
| 18:06.06 | phreqmod | Azar, having 2G of RAM free and having the system swapping gives an impression of slugishness. |
| 18:06.20 | Azar | now, since I learned by installing woody with a 2.4.x kernel I thought allways is good to allocate a 1/4 but now with 2.6.x kernels I see things change |
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| 18:06.38 | valdyn | phreqmod: then your system is configured wrong for your workload. That does not make swap bad |
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| 18:06.59 | phreqmod | valdyn, not it isn't, and I didn't say swap is bad |
| 18:07.11 | space_ninja | does anyone know of a guide to strip the minimal installation futher down? |
| 18:07.19 | valdyn | phreqmod: no, you said 'sluggish' |
| 18:07.28 | juice` | anybody knows grub? what's the difference between root(number,number) and parametr to kernel root=/dev/root_partition |
| 18:07.41 | scv | well, do you think DSL is another debian? |
| 18:07.50 | juice` | not even a word about it in grub-doc (info grub) package |
| 18:07.58 | Pc_Dark | when recording an ISO |
| 18:08.02 | Pc_Dark | should I use TAO SAO or DAO |
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| 18:08.12 | phreqmod | valdyn, no, I said that a swap policy that favours caching to disk in the presence of abundant ammounts of free RAM can fell sluggish in a desktop system. |
| 18:08.14 | Azar | When an application needs memory and all the RAM is fully occupied, the kernel has two ways to free some memory at its disposal: it can either reduce the disk cache in the RAM by eliminating the oldest data or it may swap some less used portions (pages) of programs out to the swap partition on disk |
| 18:08.21 | valdyn | juice`: the first is the partition grub looks for stuff, like your initrd / kernel image, the root=/dev/xxx is for your kernel image to know what / is |
| 18:09.17 | Azar | The kernel makes a choice by roughly guessing the effectiveness of the two methods at a given instant, based on the recent history of activity |
| 18:09.18 | phreqmod | I haven't had any issues with it in 2.6, I think the VM stuff was redesigned and the prempt stuff alters the cachign policy as well. |
| 18:09.20 | Pc_Dark | how do I rip an ISO burnfree |
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| 18:09.23 | valdyn | juice`: you need both in case /boot is on a different partition than / |
| 18:09.25 | Pc_Dark | -burnfree isn't an option |
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| 18:09.47 | valdyn | juice`: just one reason, there's a few more that are probably less obvious |
| 18:09.50 | scv | Azer, I don't think you really need a hdd swap if you had a 1TB ram in the future |
| 18:09.51 | juice` | valdyn: yes, but i have everything on sde and it works even with root set up to (0,0) |
| 18:10.05 | iturk | hi there guys i would like to compact a file in tar.bzip format can someone give me some reference |
| 18:10.22 | Azar | scv: I do not see what harm swap can do |
| 18:10.28 | valdyn | juice`: maybe (0,0) is sde, that's possible |
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| 18:10.36 | juice` | valdyn: i have / and /boot on /dev/sde so why it works with root(0,0), shouldnt it be like root(5,0) or something? |
| 18:10.36 | phreqmod | dpkg, tell iturk about tar |
| 18:10.44 | valdyn | juice`: or you have those things i mentioned above still on (0,0) |
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| 18:11.01 | valdyn | juice`: no |
| 18:11.09 | juice` | valdyn: (0,0) is first disk of array, i dont think it has anything on it |
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| 18:11.21 | Pc_Dark | will someone PLEASE answer me |
| 18:11.26 | juice` | valdyn: i know it doesnt. it's just part of bigger array. |
| 18:11.43 | Pc_Dark | to record an ISO in burn-free mode, how would I do it |
| 18:11.57 | juice` | valdyn: and hwinfo --short or dmesg are showing my 80GB disk (sde) as being fifth |
| 18:12.09 | juice` | valdyn: so everything is ok, other than why root(0,0) works |
| 18:12.17 | Pc_Dark | juice |
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| 18:12.29 | Pc_Dark | How would I record an ISO with cdrecord, without having it error |
| 18:12.39 | Azar | valdyn: it say 60 |
| 18:12.50 | scv | burn-proof something? |
| 18:12.53 | juice` | Pc_Dark: man cdrecord? dunno, i never used it |
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| 18:13.35 | scv | my pc is too fast, it needn't it |
| 18:13.54 | iturk | i would like to divide a file in several segments in a packed way (like the old arj) did someone knows how to do it ?? |
| 18:13.59 | phreqmod | Pc_Dark, my man page says that burnfree is the default |
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| 18:14.35 | phreqmod | Pc_Dark, and "man cdrecord" will show how to pass the burnfree/noburnfree args |
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| 18:15.05 | scv | what kind of cd/dvd-burners can use burnfree? |
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| 18:15.27 | phreqmod | scv, as per the man page, almost all |
| 18:15.36 | scv | umm |
| 18:15.44 | Pc_Dark | can mode TAO rip ISO's |
| 18:16.02 | stew | scv: so actaully i am working on a 4gb server, should I turn off the swap? |
| 18:16.07 | phreqmod | scv, "technology, which is available on most drives manuactured in this millenium" |
| 18:16.13 | stew | scv: http://paste.debian.net/23830 |
| 18:16.23 | scv | stew, you shouldn't, as in the windows |
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| 18:16.36 | stew | scv: i shouldn't what? |
| 18:16.36 | scv | stew, you know why |
| 18:16.46 | phreqmod | stew, wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:16.54 | scv | stew, turn off the swap space |
| 18:17.07 | stew | scv: why? |
| 18:17.12 | scv | hehe |
| 18:17.12 | anapivirtua | Peuple, je vous salut / Hello world. |
| 18:17.26 | phreqmod | stew, I am all for low cahcing in a desktop system, but UI latency is not an issue in servers and having plenty of cache is a good choice for a server |
| 18:18.00 | stew | phreqmod: i know this is why i always have swap on every machine. scv is clamimng i dont' need it if I have 4gb of ram, i think its clear that I do |
| 18:18.08 | phreqmod | More than a good choice, I would say it's required. |
| 18:18.13 | stew | phreqmod: i would too |
| 18:18.33 | phreqmod | stew, well, maybe scv is right, I never removed the swap from a server :) |
| 18:18.42 | scv | my pc don't touch the swap for years |
| 18:18.57 | scv | I don't know why |
| 18:19.00 | stew | scv: then you would potentially have a performance imporovement by increasing swappiness |
| 18:19.17 | anapivirtua | -t+e <_< |
| 18:19.32 | h3sp4wn | I only have 256mb (2gb ram desktop) - that is what -ck recommended on his site (and I use the -ck swap prefetch patches) |
| 18:19.40 | phreqmod | scv, indeed, but a server is different... imagine Oracle with a dedicated SGA that eats up RAM, plus mnay other bg processes... swap in servers is touched, it's used a lot in my experience. |
| 18:19.55 | phreqmod | Unless the servers are grossly overspeced |
| 18:19.57 | scv | even I had put everything in the ram, it just didn't use that swap |
| 18:21.05 | scv | phreqmod: you should install 1TB ram on your server |
| 18:21.09 | cydork | scv: swap is must for servers which might have memory eating apps! |
| 18:21.11 | phreqmod | Ehe |
| 18:21.22 | scv | phreqmod: is it possible? |
| 18:21.38 | phreqmod | Dunno, never had that choice analyzed |
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| 18:22.13 | scv | phreqmod: can a 64bit pc handle the 1TB ram? |
| 18:22.13 | earthian | scv it could |
| 18:22.15 | scv | hmm |
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| 18:22.42 | scv | you know...everything is expensive in the world of servers |
| 18:22.50 | phreqmod | yes |
| 18:23.00 | valdyn | scv: 64 bit pointers could handle alot more, '64bit PC' surely cant |
| 18:23.08 | earthian | i have ram for servers ... could sell cheap :P |
| 18:23.16 | scv | for example, servers used the different ram |
| 18:23.26 | phreqmod | 64 bits is 2^64, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_limitations |
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| 18:23.39 | scv | for example, servers used the different hdds |
| 18:23.48 | scv | for example, servers used the different mobos |
| 18:23.54 | scv | and so on... |
| 18:24.24 | Scurz | hi |
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| 18:24.56 | Scurz | what wants to say : http://paste.debian.net/23831 ? |
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| 18:32.16 | apk | Is there some tool that will create a .deb that simply puts a certificate in /usr/share/ca-certificates, adds it to /etc/ca-certificates.conf, and runs update-ca-certificates? |
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| 18:34.16 | stew | apk: sounds unlikely, since modifying /etc/ca-certificates.conf would be a policy violation |
| 18:36.42 | Azar | interesting read for a newbie like me about swap http://channels.debian.net/paste/5733 |
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| 18:37.04 | apk | stew: If I want to add a certificate, is there something else I should do that what I described? |
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| 18:38.45 | stew | apk: not that I know of |
| 18:38.56 | Azar | so no matter how many terrabytes of ram you got.. how speedy the processor is, the speed of the HD hasn't changed as much so swapping becomes slower? |
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| 18:42.24 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 18:42.49 | jelly-home | Azar: relatively slower, yes |
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| 18:43.17 | jelly-home | Azar: but if you have lots of RAM you won't have to swap as much/at all |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | Azar: you just need a flash based HDD :) |
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| 18:43.41 | Azar | aha! swapRAM |
| 18:43.45 | scv | Azar: as sonn as it accessed hdds, you were slow |
| 18:43.53 | jelly-home | put swap on ramdisk! :-) |
| 18:43.58 | scv | s/sonn/soon |
| 18:44.12 | Azar | :) well honorables I see now things changing |
| 18:44.49 | Azar | this article is good: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660 |
| 18:44.54 | apk | abrotman: I tried that once, it helped a lot! |
| 18:45.00 | apk | jelly-home: i mean. |
| 18:45.03 | scv | a flash built-in hdd? craps |
| 18:45.20 | Azar | "(All I can say is my computers run more smoothly with ram swap than with no swap at all). < scv |
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| 18:46.11 | scv | the only changed thing is.... they would make more buggy hdds |
| 18:46.28 | Azar | ok : up until now I was partitioning the HD allocating swap... how could I allocate 200MB of RAM for swap? at install time? |
| 18:46.36 | Azar | if I got 1 gig RAM |
| 18:46.56 | stew | ram for swap? |
| 18:47.28 | Azar | stew: yes it says that if you have => 1GB is good to allocate at 200MB of it for swap |
| 18:47.34 | scv | a swapfile in the ram? |
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| 18:48.35 | stew | Azar: no, its telling you to create a 200mb swap partition/file |
| 18:48.35 | Azar | uh with a script |
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| 18:49.04 | scv | hahahah |
| 18:49.47 | Azar | 800 MB main memory, and 200 MB swap in RAM. That can be a part of this test.... then lists the steps one has to do |
| 18:49.57 | jelly-home | scv: actually back in 199x there was a common buggy motherboard that had only 64MB of RAM cacheable, and it made sense to use the rest as swapfile |
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| 18:50.16 | scv | a rebuild pc (with a perfect gcc option) + everything in the ram = ??? |
| 18:50.30 | scv | s/rebuild/rebuilt |
| 18:50.37 | eisen | using ram for swap does not make much sense to me |
| 18:51.15 | scv | eisen: do you need to keep content of the swap at next booting? |
| 18:51.23 | teknotus | I'm in the process of doing an etch amd64 install, and I mounted proc on /target, and did a chroot to it so that I could watch top. Then when the installer tried to mount proc, and chroot it errored out. Should this be considered a bug because it doesn't check to see if proc is mounted before trying to mount it? |
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| 18:52.01 | eisen | scv: ? |
| 18:52.09 | jelly-home | teknotus: no? :-) |
| 18:52.11 | scv | jello: lol, gotcha, you are an old man |
| 18:52.26 | jelly-home | scv: seems so! |
| 18:53.25 | eisen | why not just turn swappiness to 0? |
| 18:53.31 | jelly-home | also jello != jelly fwiw fyi ftw |
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| 18:53.41 | scv | jello: iirc, people made a swapfile when they run out of the swap space in the slackware times |
| 18:54.01 | Azar | man lots of controversy on the replies to that article too... I will keep my swap partition until something gets clear |
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| 18:54.13 | eisen | or no swap space, no swapping |
| 18:54.26 | eisen | I really don't see the purpose of using ram to replace ram |
| 18:54.29 | jelly-home | uswsusp interacts badly with swap files. |
| 18:54.37 | Azar | scv: long story short: swap is still a good policy in linux. |
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| 18:54.46 | scv | umm |
| 18:54.59 | Mooi | Hello, are there any quality full screen text writing applications for Debian? |
| 18:55.09 | eisen | emacs |
| 18:55.11 | mfrisch | v im |
| 18:55.18 | scv | nano +1 |
| 18:55.18 | eisen | heh |
| 18:55.28 | jelly-home | !start an editor war |
| 18:55.28 | dpkg | joe users are clueballs |
| 18:55.39 | jelly-home | dpkg: i resent your remark |
| 18:55.40 | scv | ooohhh, joe |
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| 18:56.01 | cydork | jelly-home: lies!! |
| 18:56.11 | Azar | Mooi: be explicit: gui or text-based ? |
| 18:56.15 | scv | but I dislike joe's interface |
| 18:56.17 | undesktop | wtf. is libavahi (i.e. package libavahi-common3) and why do so many packages depend on it? |
| 18:56.28 | undesktop | apt-cache says "Avahi is a fully LGPL framework for Multicast DNS Service Discovery." |
| 18:56.32 | undesktop | I don't need that crap! |
| 18:56.48 | scv | nano is the best for the windows newbies |
| 18:57.14 | scv | somewhat, e3 is smaller |
| 18:57.16 | undesktop | trying to remove it attempts to deinstall almost all GNOME and KDE packages |
| 18:57.22 | space_ninja | can I get the same ncurses program, that lists different servers, up again, that I used during the installation? |
| 18:57.26 | Mooi | Azar: gui |
| 18:57.33 | Mooi | I don't want console base |
| 18:57.36 | Mooi | based * |
| 18:57.36 | stew | space_ninja: run "apt-setup" if you are on sarge |
| 18:57.52 | dkr | I think he means tasksel |
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| 18:57.58 | Mooi | All I want is a simple full screen app with a pretty font and hidden formatting capabilities, only the text visible on the screen |
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| 18:58.15 | eisen | any editor+tex |
| 18:58.25 | undesktop | how can I remove libavahi from my system? |
| 18:58.38 | stew | undesktop: apt-get remove packagename |
| 18:58.53 | mfrisch | undesktop easy...but most of gnome will go with it |
| 18:58.57 | undesktop | stew: yes, but without also removing GNOME and KDE |
| 18:59.06 | majere | hmmh... how can i instal mod_userdir on etch ? |
| 18:59.07 | scv | rm -f ? |
| 18:59.22 | stew | undesktop: recompile all the gnome pacakges that depend on it to no longer need it |
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| 18:59.37 | scv | chroot + rm -f ? |
| 18:59.42 | undesktop | why does GNOME need a "framework for Multicast DNS Service Discovery"? |
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| 18:59.53 | mfrisch | nautilas |
| 18:59.55 | undesktop | stew: recompile them? that's not why I use Debian |
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| 19:00.30 | stew | undesktop: ok |
| 19:00.34 | Mooi | ok, so I want a full screen GUI text writing application that only shows the text :P |
| 19:00.49 | scv | debian seems to make some decision for you |
| 19:01.09 | undesktop | but not the optimal one |
| 19:01.16 | scv | while you wanna install a new package |
| 19:01.17 | lunitik | Mooi: umm.... gedit is likely the cleanest |
| 19:01.42 | stew | Mooi: gedit or kate maybe if you are using gnome or kde (or even if you are not, i guess) |
| 19:01.57 | concept10 | Mooi, VIM inside xfce-terminal |
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| 19:02.23 | lunitik | Mooi: if you like things like emacs, you may prefer kate... kwrite is a more basic interface for it |
| 19:02.27 | phantom_ | hi all |
| 19:02.28 | Mooi | lunitik: I need "rich text formatting"; like I'm thinking of writing articles |
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| 19:02.32 | Mooi | gedit is plain text |
| 19:02.40 | Mooi | doesn't matter what format, I prefer XML |
| 19:03.07 | stew | Mooi: abiword or openoffice.org-writer ? |
| 19:03.30 | Mooi | stew: too bloated |
| 19:03.31 | scv | is XML still alive? |
| 19:03.33 | lunitik | KWord is decent |
| 19:03.38 | Mooi | lunitik: you are totally correct |
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| 19:03.48 | lunitik | scv: very much so... what desktop you use? |
| 19:04.00 | scv | should we call XML the "m$'s xml"? |
| 19:04.12 | lunitik | scv: no |
| 19:04.17 | scv | lunitik: twm/fvwm? |
| 19:04.36 | scv | I used to use xfce+rox |
| 19:04.38 | lunitik | scv: fvwm stores most things in XML |
| 19:04.49 | scv | O.o |
| 19:04.52 | lunitik | As does XFce |
| 19:04.54 | Mooi | scv: no! |
| 19:05.02 | Mooi | scv: just any kind of XML, lol |
| 19:05.09 | scv | ... |
| 19:05.22 | Mooi | as long as I can parse it |
| 19:05.22 | scv | I know what you mean... but that's a joke |
| 19:05.32 | lunitik | Mooi: Abiword or KWord are most likely what you want... unless you want something simpler, in which case probably kwrite or gedit (which you said is not what you want) |
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| 19:06.05 | scv | for example, is c# a "better" C? |
| 19:06.06 | Scurz | what wants to say : http://paste.debian.net/23831 ? |
| 19:06.08 | cydork | abiword is pretty good nowdays! |
| 19:06.11 | Mooi | there are some apps on mac... i just forgot the names |
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| 19:06.37 | Mooi | I prefer XML based formats - they are usually lighter and more portable |
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| 19:06.44 | Mooi | which means that I can program my site to suit it properly |
| 19:06.44 | DarkSider | IRC network, get channel for software support or chat wregistered with our channel bot X - irc.specialnet.org |
| 19:06.47 | DarkSider | IRC network, get channel for software support or chat wregistered with our channel bot X - irc.specialnet.org |
| 19:06.50 | DarkSider | IRC network, get channel for software support or chat wregistered with our channel bot X - irc.specialnet.org |
| 19:06.53 | DarkSider | IRC network, get channel for software support or chat wregistered with our channel bot X - irc.specialnet.org |
| 19:06.53 | cydork | !ops DarkSider spamming |
| 19:06.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: DarkSider spamming |
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| 19:07.08 | scv | I rather to know if xml can brun out my brain |
| 19:07.23 | rfrank | hey guys- how do Iadd my user to the audio group |
| 19:07.32 | Langly1 | it should be legal to kill people like DarkSider |
| 19:07.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 19:07.42 | Mooi | indeed |
| 19:07.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@89.136.117.211] by stew |
| 19:07.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 19:07.54 | Mooi | world's population would go down by 95% |
| 19:07.56 | shingouz | unfortunately you get the same as killing a human being |
| 19:08.06 | cydork | Langly1: heh most of us will do it with pleasure :P |
| 19:08.18 | rfrank | hey guys- how do Iadd my user to the audio group |
| 19:08.28 | Azar | adduser audio |
| 19:08.31 | stew | rfrank: adduser username audio |
| 19:08.56 | rfrank | already a member - wonderful |
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| 19:09.13 | Scurz | who have a idea for http://paste.debian.net/23831 ? :) |
| 19:09.15 | shingouz | rfrank: logout and logon and it should work |
| 19:09.38 | rfrank | shingouz, tried that many times |
| 19:09.40 | scv | rfrank: is that a "only-root" problem? |
| 19:09.45 | rfrank | alsa just refuses to detect my sound card |
| 19:09.52 | lunitik | Mooi: also, you can look into Scribus... it's kind of like... Quark... maybe that's more what you want? |
| 19:09.55 | stew | rfrank: alsaconf? |
| 19:10.03 | lunitik | (I think that's the name of the application) |
| 19:10.07 | rfrank | stew: doesnt detect it |
| 19:10.08 | Mooi | lunitik: yes, that is more like what i want, thanks for reminding :-) |
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| 19:10.23 | scv | rfrank: what's your sound card? |
| 19:10.25 | rfrank | I know it ssupported because if I do lspci -n and put it into the driver check page it gives me two modules which support it |
| 19:10.28 | stew | rfrank: how is it connected? pci? isa? usb? |
| 19:10.34 | stew | rfrank: which modules? |
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| 19:10.51 | rfrank | I think they are snd_intel8x0 and i810_audio |
| 19:11.06 | lunitik | Mooi: took me like 5 mins to remember wtf it was called.... haha |
| 19:11.16 | Mooi | lol ;-) |
| 19:11.30 | scv | a bug in that driver? |
| 19:11.31 | Azar | i810_audio is the oss module, blacklist it and leave the snd_xxxxx only in /etc/modules |
| 19:11.43 | lunitik | rfrank: you're still having that issue? I'm using same module with no issues..... |
| 19:11.56 | stew | rfrank: can you give me the corresponding line from "lspci -n" ? its probably one with 0401: in the second column, or you can match up the busid from the output of 'lspci | grep Audio" |
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| 19:12.16 | stew | rfrank: and what does "uname -r" return? |
| 19:12.45 | scv | that's why the VIA mobos are so good |
| 19:12.47 | stew | rfrank: ifs its not listed with 0401: it could be 0402: or 0680: |
| 19:13.05 | Mooi | that's it... |
| 19:13.11 | Mooi | http://www.hogbaysoftware.com/product/writeroom < any alternatives on debian? |
| 19:13.23 | rfrank | stew: 2.six.8-12-amdsix4-generic (Im on laptop which has some keys that refuse to work today), and its 10DE:00five9 |
| 19:13.25 | lunitik | Actually... tell a lie... I'm using snd-hda-intel |
| 19:13.28 | scv | I always use the mobos with the VIA chipsets |
| 19:13.52 | rfrank | mines got nforce |
| 19:13.53 | rfrank | :P |
| 19:13.59 | lunitik | Mooi: uhh... that looks like a console app? |
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| 19:14.12 | lunitik | rfrank: uhh... ouch |
| 19:14.12 | scv | nforce = buggy southbridge |
| 19:14.23 | Mooi | lunitik: it isn't, it is a gui app - has mouse support, I *think* |
| 19:14.29 | stew | rfrank: does this return any matches: grep "10DE.*0059" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 19:14.33 | Mooi | I am very picky, I admit |
| 19:14.38 | scv | you even cannot drive your nforce apu well |
| 19:14.54 | lunitik | scv: what is an apu? |
| 19:15.02 | rfrank | stew: no |
| 19:15.24 | scv | a sound processor something in the chipset |
| 19:15.32 | stew | rfrank: then that card is not supported by the version of the i810 drivers in your currently running kernel. you would need a newer kernel |
| 19:15.40 | scv | an unique feature |
| 19:15.45 | lunitik | Ahh... sound cards need dedicated processing units now?!!?? |
| 19:15.54 | Mooi | i'll stick with gedit now :) |
| 19:16.07 | scv | maybe it's a dsp |
| 19:16.13 | rfrank | stew: ahh now that I know how to do, Ill be back when Im done compiling a newer kernel |
| 19:16.36 | stew | rfrank: any reason that you would compile your own instaed of using a debian compiled kernel? |
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| 19:16.48 | space_ninja | was there a linux source installed when I installed debian? |
| 19:16.49 | scv | anyway, I like VIA+AC97 |
| 19:16.54 | lunitik | rfrank: he likes to make his life difficult :P |
| 19:17.05 | rfrank | stew: Im using hte latest kernel in testing |
| 19:17.14 | lunitik | space_ninja: probably not |
| 19:17.21 | stew | rfrank: no you aren't |
| 19:17.37 | space_ninja | but how will I know the name of the module that corresponds with my hardware? |
| 19:17.46 | h3sp4wn | scv: No iommu working on via - there is loads of via quirks also |
| 19:17.46 | stew | rfrank: latest in testing would be 2.6.18-4 not 2.6.8-12 |
| 19:17.55 | lunitik | space_ninja: google is pretty smart |
| 19:17.56 | enouf | space_ninja: /msgdpkg which driver |
| 19:18.01 | rfrank | stew: I dont see it here.. linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 maybe |
| 19:18.01 | enouf | space_ninja: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 19:18.03 | lunitik | Only if you ask the correct question though |
| 19:18.08 | scv | h3sp4wn: iommu? |
| 19:18.14 | stew | rfrank: you don't see what? |
| 19:18.25 | scv | h3sp4wn: another nvidia crap from the intel? |
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| 19:18.37 | rfrank | stew: dont see any kernel higher then 2.six.8 |
| 19:18.58 | lunitik | rfrank: then you're using Sarge more than likely |
| 19:19.02 | space_ninja | I need some kind of debian module guide |
| 19:19.02 | stew | rfrank: then either your sources.list isnt' setup properly, or you aren't actually on testing |
| 19:19.11 | rfrank | I definitely am :P |
| 19:19.11 | lunitik | rfrank: also note it's called 'linux-image' now |
| 19:19.16 | Azar | scv: sorry for going back to swap, here what it is: The kernel seems to assume swap is present, and so its algorithms seem to behave oddly when there is NO swap. ... a reasonable workaround would be to have some small amount of "swap" that the VM keeps aside " |
| 19:19.17 | rfrank | remember this is amdsix4 |
| 19:19.33 | rfrank | oh wait wait I see it haha |
| 19:19.33 | scv | h3sp4wn: I don't like any unique feature which is not oss friendly |
| 19:19.33 | rfrank | sorry |
| 19:19.45 | rfrank | wasnt showing up for some reason |
| 19:19.49 | Azar | hear hear!! OSS4 is out |
| 19:19.52 | enouf | space_ninja: install modutils and perhaps mod-init-utils |
| 19:20.08 | enouf | space_ninja: erm mod-init-tools |
| 19:20.12 | rfrank | although I rememberh aving problems with this kernel version |
| 19:20.18 | scv | Azer, even every windows user know that |
| 19:20.21 | rfrank | whenever I went to unstable it got 18-4 and it refused to boot |
| 19:20.28 | h3sp4wn | scv: via stuff sucks there is more crappy workarounds for via than nvidia or intel |
| 19:20.29 | enouf | space_ninja: then man modprobe and modinfo |
| 19:20.30 | rfrank | would just freeze at some point without even a kernel panic |
| 19:20.40 | h3sp4wn | scv: Look in the kernel source for examples |
| 19:20.42 | scv | h3sp4wn: ok... you win |
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| 19:20.45 | Azar | scv: uh I am not a windows user anymore.. for long time now |
| 19:21.15 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: Intel stuff getting cleaner though? Most of their drivers are open source now aren't they? (other than wireless stuff, which I think is being opened?) |
| 19:21.23 | Azar | excuseme I use via chipset and was good to me so far |
| 19:21.40 | zamuro | Is there a place where I can get the msn messenger protocol servers? |
| 19:21.54 | scv | via via via |
| 19:22.01 | abrotman | zamuro: possibly ask #gaim |
| 19:22.17 | zamuro | abrotman: Thanks ^_^ |
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| 19:22.23 | lunitik | zamuro: umm... you want to connect to MSN? Kopete > Gaim |
| 19:22.28 | Azar | I am using via on all my 3 PCs for more than four years and as a newbie Debian user it never gave me problems from woody up to here |
| 19:22.35 | rfrank | lunitik, TAKE THAT BACK! |
| 19:22.36 | rfrank | x_x |
| 19:22.38 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: Its a front - they are not really opensource friendly - (I have recent experience trying to get firmware from them for the crypto stuff in the xscale boards) |
| 19:22.52 | rfrank | CURSES! |
| 19:22.58 | iamtheric | Ncurses! |
| 19:23.11 | Azar | discurses |
| 19:23.14 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: If they were opensource friendly they would be in all cases not just a few |
| 19:23.14 | lunitik | rfrank: meh... Kopete has working webcam support... Gaim is far behind already |
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| 19:23.44 | rfrank | stew: yeah, this kernel doesnt boot on my system |
| 19:23.55 | lunitik | rfrank: Gaim is constantly playing catchup at the moment... even Sean Egan admits Kopete is better |
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| 19:24.06 | rfrank | stew: it freezes at io scheduler cfq registered (default) |
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| 19:24.40 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: which nvidia chipset ? |
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| 19:25.01 | scv | I have tried several i/o schedulers, no difference for me |
| 19:25.08 | lunitik | rfrank: Gaim will likely be getting dropped from most distro's soon, as Gossip is going to be the primary Telepathy client |
| 19:25.14 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, nvidia nforce4M-A |
| 19:25.18 | scv | o.o |
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| 19:25.24 | Displacer | what should i write to sources.list after netinstall to set http or ftp unstable repository? |
| 19:25.32 | ma3x | what happens to hotmail? can you open the webpage? |
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| 19:25.51 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: try booting with noapic |
| 19:25.53 | ma3x | can anyone open hotmail? |
| 19:26.00 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: or acpi=off |
| 19:26.11 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, how do I do that w grub |
| 19:26.23 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: e for edit the command line and just add to the end |
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| 19:26.25 | ma3x | lunitik: just go to www.hotmail.com and tell me if you can view the login page |
| 19:26.33 | iamtheric | yeah |
| 19:26.37 | ma3x | what yeah? |
| 19:26.42 | ma3x | you can? |
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| 19:26.53 | ma3x | it gets stuck at login.live.com |
| 19:26.58 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: I think its a workaround (well it was in my case) for old nforce2 chipsets thats no longer needed |
| 19:26.59 | abrotman | lunitik: he was asking for the communications spec |
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| 19:27.05 | scv | rfrank: my every via mobo needn't to use acpi=off |
| 19:27.13 | scv | rfrank: never |
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| 19:27.25 | iamtheric | i sometimes need to do that |
| 19:27.37 | scv | o.o |
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| 19:28.01 | lunitik | abrotman: Jabber can serve as an MSN server... sort of |
| 19:28.08 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: You can build your own kernel with that bit of code removed and it will probably work (I did then asked gigabyte for a fixed bios which they gave me) |
| 19:28.17 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: Now I don't need any options |
| 19:28.30 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm aware of that .. however gaim is one client that speaks directly to the servers .. so i sent him there .. they may have docs explaining the protocol |
| 19:28.40 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, where do I put that acpi=off, a little confused |
| 19:28.46 | iamtheric | at boot |
| 19:28.48 | scv | ... |
| 19:28.50 | rfrank | after kernel |
| 19:28.55 | rfrank | ? |
| 19:28.59 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: e to edit the command line |
| 19:29.07 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: the end of that line |
| 19:29.10 | rfrank | yeah I got it |
| 19:29.12 | scv | you can tell grub to pass that para |
| 19:29.20 | scv | to the kernel |
| 19:29.20 | lunitik | abrotman: oh they do... as do kopete, and telepathy folks... and amsn folks... etc.... afaik Gaim currently doesn't have an active maintainer of MSN though |
| 19:29.34 | rfrank | yes it runs af ew lines - sets the drive, then the kernel, etc, you have to put it on the kernel line |
| 19:29.39 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: If it boots with both noapic and acpi=off (seperately) |
| 19:29.51 | lunitik | (at least they didn't a few months ago) |
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| 19:30.01 | space_ninja | where can I find a ALL KNOWING DEBIAN MANUAL? |
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| 19:30.04 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: then you know you are affected by the old work around, if you build your own kernel you can fix it |
| 19:30.12 | scv | sounds like the nforce is awful |
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| 19:30.45 | abrotman | lunitik: that's nice .. it's the only client i know that does it .. you obviously could have told him a 'better' place to go |
| 19:30.45 | Azar | space_ninja: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals < a bit old but you get the general idea straight |
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| 19:31.05 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, it seems to be having some trouble with mounting the sata drive.. |
| 19:31.17 | scv | lol |
| 19:31.31 | lunitik | rfrank: SATA sucked in early 2.6 kernels |
| 19:31.34 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: that io scheduler cfq registered (default) is before that point |
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| 19:31.58 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: wait a minute is this etch or sarge ? |
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| 19:32.08 | Xintruder2007 | hi |
| 19:32.10 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, testing |
| 19:32.16 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, so that would be etch |
| 19:32.18 | Xintruder2007 | is debain = ubunto |
| 19:32.25 | lunitik | Xintruder2007: /topic |
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| 19:33.06 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: so it doesn't boot with either of those 2 options ? |
| 19:33.08 | lunitik | Azar: first date abrotmans's been on in a while, god help you :P |
| 19:33.12 | iamtheric | no ubuntu is an updated debian basically |
| 19:33.21 | scv | Xintruder2007: debian is the mother of them |
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| 19:33.38 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, no, with noacpi it gets stuck at the same place; with acpi=off it cant mount my sata drive |
| 19:33.39 | Azar | lunitik: I take that chance |
| 19:33.44 | lunitik | iamtheric: no... Ubuntu is a snapshot of Sid, that they spend 6 months stabilizing |
| 19:33.45 | rfrank | something about failed to identify, io error |
| 19:33.48 | rfrank | qc timeout |
| 19:33.53 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: I didn't say noapi - I said noapic |
| 19:33.59 | rfrank | oh oh |
| 19:34.25 | Xintruder2007 | ok thanks |
| 19:34.27 | lunitik | (actually, more like 2 months stabilizing... and 4 months importing......) |
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| 19:34.37 | abrotman | lunitik: no .. it's not |
| 19:34.40 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: Newer kernels seem to have an override (acpi_use_timer_override) but I don't think 2.6.18 has |
| 19:34.45 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, it seems to be booting with noapic |
| 19:34.45 | lunitik | abrotman: liar |
| 19:34.46 | amphi | Xintruder2007: and it's 'debian' ;) |
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| 19:34.54 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, yeah it booted |
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| 19:34.58 | scv | iirc, the kernel source says everything would still work... even you have no apic |
| 19:35.01 | whaleofconfusion | I need a tool to convert postscript, eps, svg, or some other format (output of gnuplot) to a PDF |
| 19:35.09 | fasta | What does the + mean in the output of update-alternatives --config pager? |
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| 19:35.15 | whaleofconfusion | open office doesn't seem to work on any of those |
| 19:35.15 | Xintruder2007 | would u guys advice me to install debian or ubunto on my laptop? i've never used any of them. |
| 19:35.20 | whaleofconfusion | how do I do it |
| 19:35.21 | amphi | whaleofconfusion: ps2pdf |
| 19:35.26 | whaleofconfusion | thanks amphi |
| 19:35.29 | rfrank | alsamixer ran! |
| 19:35.33 | lunitik | Xintruder2007: stupid question to ask #debian |
| 19:35.34 | fasta | Xintruder2007: what is this ubunto you speak of? |
| 19:35.35 | rfrank | lets try some vlc-ness |
| 19:35.42 | apk | Xintruder2007: You are in #debian, so we'll say debian. If you ask in #ubuntu, people will say Ubuntu. |
| 19:35.43 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: At least with 2.6.21-rc4 (what I am looking at here) if you used "acpi_use_timer_override" then you could probably have working apic also |
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| 19:35.54 | phaedral | where do I find the md5sum for i386 netinst for sarge? |
| 19:35.56 | fasta | !u |
| 19:35.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:36.03 | rfrank | it works, woot |
| 19:36.19 | scv | !b4 |
| 19:36.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, b4 is try "before", dude. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 19:36.22 | Xintruder2007 | apk, maybe i thought someone would say: if your new, go ubuntoo. Debian is for advanced users. |
| 19:36.46 | amphi | Xintruder2007: debian is for everyone, just some are slow on the uptake ;) |
| 19:36.46 | fasta | Xintruder2007: have you read the Social Contract of Debian? |
| 19:37.04 | apk | Xintruder2007: Debian was my first (successfuly installed) distro. Give it a shot. |
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| 19:37.06 | fasta | Xintruder2007: In theory it's for everyone. |
| 19:37.18 | iamtheric | debians was mine too |
| 19:37.28 | Ronin | my third, but im slow :) |
| 19:37.33 | stew | Xintruder2007: ubuntu is a more gentle introduction for a first time linux user. however, we mostly (of course) prefer debian. if you want an unbiased opinoin, ##linux is a better channel for comparing various distros |
| 19:37.38 | apk | Xintruder2007: Then I thought I was advanced, and went to Gentoo, then I got sick of it, and came back. |
| 19:38.03 | scv | when debian was at 2.0, slackware was far better than it |
| 19:38.19 | whaleofconfusion | OH NO its not working ps2pdf didn't work |
| 19:38.23 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: Not really working until apic is working also though (if there is any bios upgrades install them - nvidia released loads of references bios's without HPET enabled which causes that bug) |
| 19:38.29 | whaleofconfusion | well it worked but missed features |
| 19:38.30 | fasta | What does the + mean in the output of update-alternatives --config pager? |
| 19:38.30 | Xintruder2007 | Thanks for your input guys. |
| 19:38.31 | whaleofconfusion | let me try |
| 19:38.40 | stew | fasta: the highest rated option |
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| 19:39.15 | lunitik | Well... I guess it was running... but not particularly functional....... |
| 19:39.16 | fasta | stew: highest rated by who? (I am willing to RTFM, but I couldn't find the symbol + in the manual) |
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| 19:39.40 | lunitik | fasta: probably via popularity-contest |
| 19:40.01 | stew | fasta: by the package maintianer that put the "update-alternatives --install" line into the package's postinst |
| 19:40.07 | lokkju_wrk | quick question... is there an easy way to temporarily totally disable iptables on debian? I want to temporarily allow all traffic |
| 19:40.23 | Xintruder2007 | How is the usual way of installing software in debian. Is it similar to Gento's emerge [software name] ? |
| 19:40.34 | lunitik | lokkju_wrk: /etc/init.d/iptables stop? |
| 19:40.36 | stew | lunitik: nothing to do with popularity, afaik |
| 19:40.41 | xand | Xintruder2007: apt-get install <package> |
| 19:40.45 | lunitik | stew: seems wrong :( |
| 19:40.50 | xand | use apt-ache search to find package names |
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| 19:41.10 | iamtheric | wow this is a nice channel |
| 19:41.14 | Xintruder2007 | xand, does it download software compiled or non compiled? |
| 19:41.17 | xand | compiled |
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| 19:41.23 | xand | !greenhouse |
| 19:41.23 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 19:41.26 | iamtheric | deb-src sometimes |
| 19:41.27 | lokkju_wrk | lunitik, there is no /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 19:42.12 | lunitik | lokkju_wrk: yeah I just noticed that |
| 19:42.16 | Xintruder2007 | in other words, debians would be faster alot. right? (in installing) |
| 19:42.22 | fasta | The entry with a * next to it doesn't get started when I do $PAGER, so it seems the effect isn't immediate |
| 19:42.39 | fasta | It could also mean that I have $PAGER initialized somewhere else. |
| 19:42.50 | xand | Xintruder2007: yes, assuming you have a decent enough connection to teh interwebs |
| 19:43.02 | Xintruder2007 | Intresting. |
| 19:43.34 | xand | once they're downloaded they take hardly any time at all to install. a few seconds. |
| 19:43.38 | lunitik | Xintruder2007: not necessarily... as there is no manual intervention required when picking packages on Ubuntu.... Debian by default will install Gnome though |
| 19:43.51 | lunitik | (Well Etch will... Sarge thought it was cute to install Gnome and KDE) |
| 19:43.55 | xand | eh, he's comparing to gentoo isn't he |
| 19:44.01 | stew | fasta: yes, most things should be calling /usr/bin/sensible-pager which should check PAGER, then fallback to /usr/bin/pager |
| 19:44.09 | xand | lunitik: that depends on what options you pick in the installer |
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| 19:44.17 | Xintruder2007 | can I say: installing ubuntu would be 'much' easier than installing debian ? |
| 19:44.21 | xand | if you choose "desktop environment" or whatever it's called |
| 19:44.36 | xand | Xintruder2007: I doubt it, at least not with etch. |
| 19:44.40 | lunitik | xand: Sarge installed both... and I stated by default... |
| 19:44.45 | xand | which has a GUI installer |
| 19:45.01 | Xintruder2007 | etch ? |
| 19:45.03 | stew | Xintruder2007: probably, but the gap is narrowing, except in the area of non-free software. debian will not ship non-free hardware drivers with its installer, and ubuntu is working on doing that |
| 19:45.05 | xand | !etch |
| 19:45.06 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 19:45.07 | fasta | Xintruder2007: Debians installer has worked for years for me without every failing. |
| 19:45.21 | fasta | ever* |
| 19:45.33 | xand | that doesn't make it easier than something else :) |
| 19:45.37 | xand | just means you know what you're doing |
| 19:45.37 | lunitik | xand: no... picking Destop Environment doesn't provide a GUI installer... linux gtk (or something) gives you a graphic installer |
| 19:45.47 | xand | lunitik: I never said it did |
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| 19:46.09 | fasta | xand: well, I tried installing Ubuntu on x86-64 and that failed. (but that was quite some time ago) |
| 19:46.33 | xand | desktop environment was referring to gnome, not the installer. |
| 19:46.40 | xand | GUI installer that is. |
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| 19:46.51 | lunitik | stew: no they're not actually... well, other than what was already being shipped... they decided against changing the current methods |
| 19:46.54 | xand | fasta: i installed ubuntu on a ppc mac and it worked :p |
| 19:46.58 | Xintruder2007 | are there diff architectures of debian, like Gentoo? |
| 19:47.03 | xand | yes. |
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| 19:47.16 | iamtheric | ive done plenty of ubuntu installs, on ppc/x64/x86 |
| 19:47.21 | stew | lunitik: right, but they are still "working on it" right? |
| 19:47.23 | lunitik | Xintruder2007: there are more Debian ports than Gentoo ports |
| 19:47.41 | lunitik | stew: no... there was too much debate and bad press, so they chickened out |
| 19:47.42 | xand | [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc]... and amd64 on etch |
| 19:47.49 | stew | Xintruder2007: i think debian shipped 11 arches with the last release and will ship 13 with the next (iirc) |
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| 19:48.11 | Xintruder2007 | lunitik, what do u mean by ports ? |
| 19:48.26 | karsten | !u |
| 19:48.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:48.42 | iamtheric | hehehe |
| 19:48.47 | xand | Xintruder2007: to different architectures I should think |
| 19:48.49 | fasta | stew: what are all the possible "groups" in update-alternatives? |
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| 19:48.55 | lunitik | Xintruder2007: any architecture other than i386 is a port of Linux... as it was originally only intended for that arch |
| 19:48.57 | xand | ah, [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [s390] [sparc] |
| 19:48.59 | blinx | has anyone a link of the sourcefile of the new gnome? I searched but I can only find each package for itself |
| 19:49.09 | Xintruder2007 | ok |
| 19:49.22 | karsten | blinx: /dev/urandom |
| 19:49.35 | h3sp4wn | blinx: gnome is > 100 individual packages |
| 19:49.37 | Xintruder2007 | arch needed to install is CPU dependant ? |
| 19:49.50 | karsten | Xintruder2007: Yes, generally. |
| 19:50.06 | xand | there's a "multi-arch" installer CD |
| 19:50.13 | h3sp4wn | blinx: Use the build script and install in /opt |
| 19:50.14 | stew | fasta: the possible groups are not limited. i must not be understanding what you are asking |
| 19:50.21 | karsten | Xintruder2007: There's some overlap with the x86-based arches (eg: i386 should work with all others) but in general, yes. |
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| 19:50.36 | karsten | lunitik: Anyone who thinks that Linux doesn't run on toasters hasn't been inside our DC. |
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| 19:50.49 | lunitik | karsten: DC? |
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| 19:50.59 | stew | blinx: which version of gnome are you after? one that is in debian? or the newly released one that isn't yet in debian? |
| 19:50.59 | karsten | lunitik: datacentre |
| 19:51.06 | lunitik | karsten: oh... hahah |
| 19:51.25 | fasta | stew: I mean: how can I list all the current groups? |
| 19:51.37 | lunitik | fasta: cat /etc/group ? |
| 19:51.40 | fasta | stew: e.g. "pager" would be one group |
| 19:51.49 | fasta | lunitik: you are missing context |
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| 19:52.03 | fasta | stew: the names in update-alternatives |
| 19:52.14 | lunitik | fasta: ahh... sorry |
| 19:52.56 | stew | fasta: hmm |
| 19:53.01 | lunitik | blinx: look into jhbuild |
| 19:53.33 | fasta | (I also want to change the default shell to zsh, since it seems to have a lot of nice stuff) |
| 19:53.44 | lunitik | fasta: chsh |
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| 19:54.14 | h3sp4wn | fasta: do you have /usr on a seperate partition ? |
| 19:54.18 | x-laptop | d/c -_- |
| 19:54.24 | stew | fasta: ls /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ |
| 19:54.32 | x-laptop | How would I know the arch i need for my laptop ? |
| 19:54.41 | xand | x-laptop: what CPU does it have? |
| 19:54.50 | karsten | x-laptop: What xand said. |
| 19:55.07 | x-laptop | Dou intel processor T7200 |
| 19:55.08 | fasta | h3sp4wn: no, but I have a rescue disk |
| 19:55.11 | x-laptop | 2.0 ghz |
| 19:55.13 | iamtheric | 64bit |
| 19:55.14 | h3sp4wn | fasta: If you do I would not set root's shell to zsh (quite a bit of zsh stuff is in /usr) |
| 19:55.18 | xand | core duo? |
| 19:55.22 | iamtheric | x86-64 |
| 19:55.28 | x-laptop | yeah |
| 19:55.30 | xand | I guess that would be amd64 |
| 19:55.32 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I can live with what you suggested. |
| 19:55.39 | x-laptop | core 2 Duo |
| 19:55.40 | iamtheric | smp kernel you might need with deb 2.4 |
| 19:55.48 | karsten | xand: amd64 or ia64? |
| 19:55.49 | x-laptop | 2 Duo = Duo ? |
| 19:55.51 | lunitik | x-laptop: will you want to do things like watch flash vids, and use java things? |
| 19:55.58 | xand | I think it's amd64... ia64 is different |
| 19:55.58 | iamtheric | ia64 |
| 19:56.01 | xand | itanium stuff |
| 19:56.07 | x-laptop | lunitik, definitly |
| 19:56.08 | iamtheric | ia32 = intel32 |
| 19:56.18 | iamtheric | ia64 = intel 64 |
| 19:56.19 | lunitik | x-laptop: then you want i386 almost certainly |
| 19:56.29 | iamtheric | no, thats only 32 bit |
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| 19:56.35 | xand | no no no |
| 19:56.35 | karsten | lunitik: No he doesn't |
| 19:56.43 | iamtheric | really? |
| 19:56.44 | lunitik | iamtheric: indeed, but debian doesn't have multiarch support.... |
| 19:56.49 | x-laptop | 00 |
| 19:56.49 | iamtheric | oic |
| 19:56.49 | karsten | iamtheric: Quite. |
| 19:57.09 | x-laptop | is 2 Duo = Duo ? |
| 19:57.24 | iamtheric | yes... |
| 19:57.26 | h3sp4wn | iamtheric: depending on what you want that is 32 bit - ia32libs may be sufficient |
| 19:57.31 | stew | h3sp4wn: there is zsh that lives in /bin as well |
| 19:57.42 | xand | x-laptop: no |
| 19:57.48 | xand | core 2 duo is newer than core duo |
| 19:57.51 | zinosat | hi, I'm getting the "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." warnings. tried to fix it with "locale-gen" and "dpkg-reconfigure locales" with no success |
| 19:58.05 | x-laptop | well xand, in terms of architecture? |
| 19:58.12 | stew | zinosat: logout and back in and see if it goes away |
| 19:58.20 | xand | I'm pretty sure you want the amd64 one and not ia64 |
| 19:58.37 | x-laptop | ok |
| 19:58.40 | xand | (yes i know it's not amd, but it's compatible) |
| 19:58.41 | lunitik | Using amd64 or x86_64 will provide more headaches than is worth while |
| 19:58.46 | zinosat | stew, ok, will be back |
| 19:58.47 | fasta | stew: thanks |
| 19:58.48 | ft | stew: right, that is the zsh binary. Some advanced features of the shell rely on function files und modules located in /usr, though. But zsh will run without it. |
| 19:58.50 | h3sp4wn | stew: zsh-static ? |
| 19:58.51 | xand | it depends what you want to do with it |
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| 19:59.03 | xand | i386 will certainly work |
| 19:59.03 | iamtheric | zsh is pretty nice |
| 19:59.10 | xand | but you won't be using the 64-bitness :) |
| 19:59.13 | lunitik | xand: he just said he'll want to use flash and java etc..... |
| 19:59.19 | xand | ok fine |
| 19:59.21 | xand | well |
| 19:59.31 | x-laptop | ? |
| 19:59.34 | lunitik | and no, nspluginswrapper isn't satisfactory |
| 19:59.38 | xand | surely java works |
| 19:59.59 | stew | h3sp4wn: :) stew@catfish:~ $ dpkg -S (readlink -f (which zsh)) |
| 19:59.59 | stew | zsh: /bin/zsh4 |
| 20:00.01 | lunitik | xand: no.... you need 32bit java to use 32bit applets |
| 20:00.04 | x-laptop | -_- |
| 20:00.17 | h3sp4wn | stew: try using it with /usr unmounted ? |
| 20:00.30 | xand | lunitik: that's rediculous |
| 20:00.31 | h3sp4wn | stew: Its annoying |
| 20:00.35 | xand | java is meant to be cross platform |
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| 20:00.45 | stew | h3sp4wn: if it doesn't work with /usr unmounted a bug of severity serious should be filed |
| 20:00.49 | lunitik | x-laptop: if you want headaches and unneeded difficulties, use amd64.... else grab i386 |
| 20:00.57 | ft | h3sp4wn: have you tried it? it will work. |
| 20:01.00 | lunitik | xand: idc, I'm speaking from experience |
| 20:01.11 | stew | h3sp4wn: becuase it cannot live in /bin if it doesn't function without /usr mounted |
| 20:01.11 | h3sp4wn | stew: It works but all the completion stuff etc is broken |
| 20:01.14 | xand | I use amd64 on my turion just fine |
| 20:01.14 | ft | h3sp4wn: some features won't work. But it will not break. |
| 20:01.21 | ezguy | hi, is the ck804 sata nVidia nForce Pro 2200 SATA2 Controller hot swappable? |
| 20:01.28 | h3sp4wn | ft: It does complain loudly |
| 20:01.49 | lunitik | xand: java applets work fine on the internet? |
| 20:02.16 | lunitik | xand: for instance, things on games.yahoo.com ? |
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| 20:02.32 | ft | h3sp4wn: well, it's not a normal situation when /usr is not available. And I am aware, that it will complain, if the root-zshrc does all sorts of fancy configuration. |
| 20:02.43 | zinosat | stew, :( |
| 20:03.25 | iamtheric | nima, you in here? |
| 20:03.36 | stew | zinosat: does "echo $LANG" and/or "echo $LANGUAGE" show anything unexpected? |
| 20:03.40 | lunitik | xand: 64bit Java itself works fine, sure.... but it won't work within a browser |
| 20:03.50 | ft | h3sp4wn: but I don't use zsh for root myself. root has its shell set to /bin/ksh here. |
| 20:03.57 | h3sp4wn | ft: I was aware of it as well - my root shell is /bin/tcsh |
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| 20:04.19 | iamtheric | i had 64 bit java os and flash/java worked fine |
| 20:04.21 | zinosat | stew, $LANGUAGE is empty |
| 20:04.25 | xand | lunitik: oh right, doesn't bother me... java applets in webpages suck |
| 20:04.52 | ft | h3sp4wn: heh, I'm trying to stay away from *csh as far as possible. :) |
| 20:04.53 | stew | zinosat: that's normal. and LANG contains a locale which is in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 20:05.34 | lunitik | iamtheric: no you didn't... because it simply doesn't work... SUSE for instance installs 32bit Firefox to allow for 32bit plugins to work, however... perhaps that OS did the same thing? |
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| 20:05.50 | zinosat | stew, $LANG="it", inside locale.gen there's "it_IT@euro ISO-8859-15" |
| 20:05.54 | iamtheric | solaris not linux |
| 20:06.02 | iamtheric | solaris IS java and its 64bit |
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| 20:06.09 | lunitik | iamtheric: Solaris supports multiarch |
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| 20:06.14 | iamtheric | i know |
| 20:06.36 | h3sp4wn | Solaris still doesn't have a 64 bit java plugin |
| 20:06.48 | iamtheric | really? |
| 20:06.49 | h3sp4wn | iamtheric: You can use nspluginwrapper and flash works fine |
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| 20:06.59 | iamtheric | i said it worked |
| 20:07.08 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: "fine" is misleading... at least last I used it :P |
| 20:07.08 | iamtheric | i dont need advice on getting it workong |
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| 20:07.32 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: It hasn't crashed since I have tried it |
| 20:07.33 | darkstego | I wish flash would just release a 64 bit version already |
| 20:07.41 | stew | zinosat: i'm horrible with locales. does setting LANG to it_IT@euro fix stuff? |
| 20:07.42 | darkstego | its the only reason I have chroot |
| 20:07.50 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: (when the debian package was uploaded to mentors.debian.net) |
| 20:07.54 | stew | i wish people would just stop putting flash on their sites |
| 20:08.07 | ft | stew: ack. :) |
| 20:08.17 | darkstego | stew: I am ok with that solution too, sadly youtube screwed us all |
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| 20:08.29 | stew | youtube has not screwed me |
| 20:08.42 | apk | Is not being able to see YouTube really a loss? |
| 20:08.46 | darkstego | damn flv!!! |
| 20:08.48 | lunitik | stew: it's a convenient way to allow visitors to view media content... they needn't have codecs, nothing... just a flash plugin functional |
| 20:08.50 | graytron | darkstego: so you bent before you tube? |
| 20:08.53 | apk | Oh no, I can't see cats falling off of televisions! |
| 20:09.06 | jayeola | i'm not really a fan of installing flash... i hate the adverts on web pages :/ |
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| 20:09.26 | stew | lunitik: codecs are stable and flash isn't |
| 20:09.29 | lunitik | jayeola: adblock |
| 20:09.33 | [atari] | hi :) |
| 20:09.34 | apk | jayeola: Adblock and Filterset.G |
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| 20:09.45 | zinosat | stew, yes, it fixes the warnings, but when I run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" I get messed up text inside the newt interface |
| 20:09.49 | jayeola | yah. discovered that the other day - godsend! |
| 20:10.04 | zinosat | stew, perhaps is because of the terminal settings |
| 20:10.20 | jayeola | tell me something. dunno how to explain this in a few words:- |
| 20:10.37 | stew | zinosat: dunno. i'm a dumb american when it comes to this l10n/i18n stuff |
| 20:11.01 | zinosat | stew, thanx anyway. how do I fix it permanently |
| 20:11.05 | jayeola | when using a virtual term with elinks i find that the text gets "repeated" on the monitor all the time. why could that be |
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| 20:11.44 | lunitik | stew: I'd rather use Flash than have every site use WMV instead |
| 20:11.57 | zinosat | stew, I mean without havin to type export LANG="it_IT@euro" everytime I log in |
| 20:12.16 | stew | zinosat: you can just change the LANG= setting in /etc/environment or /etc/profile |
| 20:12.17 | apk | zinosat: .profile? |
| 20:12.27 | zinosat | right thanx all |
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| 20:13.23 | lunitik | stew: I've had totem and mplayer plugins crash firefox more than flash |
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| 20:13.55 | space_ninja | I mean, is there a date for the new release? |
| 20:14.04 | lunitik | space_ninja: RSN |
| 20:14.16 | stew | space_ninja: /topic |
| 20:14.39 | stew | space_ninja: any date you read about is tenative, we cannot know when the RC bug count will hit zero |
| 20:15.06 | stew | lunitik: at least the other plugins are opensource and therefore potentially fixable |
| 20:15.13 | stew | lunitik: i haven't tried them though |
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| 20:16.00 | lunitik | stew: Gnash is open source... and compatible with most of Flash 8 afaik |
| 20:16.30 | lunitik | s/most/some/ |
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| 20:17.58 | lunitik | (still useless for most sites, as most sites now require Flash9) |
| 20:18.09 | blinx | what languages are included in the jhbuild? |
| 20:18.21 | blinx | (of gnome) |
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| 20:18.44 | lunitik | blinx: I'd imagine all that are available with Gnome...... |
| 20:18.54 | blinx | ok |
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| 20:19.07 | blinx | lunitik: do you know how many MB I will download? |
| 20:19.17 | elif | how to set up my running debian to a diferent languague (diferent from the language chosen in installation)? |
| 20:19.24 | lunitik | blinx: other than 'lots', no |
| 20:19.27 | stew | elif: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:19.44 | elif | stew: thk. |
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| 20:20.58 | lunitik | blinx: I wouldn't even bother starting the process until you go to bed... it _might_ be done by the time you get home tomorrow from work..... |
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| 20:21.29 | fasta | lunitik: "Gnash is based on GameSWF, and supports many SWF v7 features." |
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| 20:21.55 | lunitik | fasta: last I checked they are working on Flash 8 features |
| 20:22.12 | space_ninja | so if I would upgrade to stable to ectch, I will get the one who is unstable now when the change comes? |
| 20:22.19 | space_ninja | stable to testing |
| 20:22.28 | fasta | lunitik: if their main website doesn't claim it, I wouldn't spread it in an IRC channel, but that's just me. |
| 20:22.53 | stew | space_ninja: if you use "testing" in your sources.list, you will get the next testing (aka lenny) when etch becomes stable. if you instead use "etch" you will stick with etch when it becomes stable |
| 20:22.57 | blinx | lunitik: with dsl 384kBps it wouldn't be possible ;-) |
| 20:22.58 | lunitik | space_ninja: if you change to etch, you will be running stable when it is released... if you change to testing, you will be running lenny when etch is released |
| 20:23.04 | blinx | only 45 KB download |
| 20:23.38 | space_ninja | ok |
| 20:23.43 | elif | stew: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 20:23.46 | space_ninja | now I get the two name system |
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| 20:24.01 | lunitik | space_ninja: good, because there are technically 4 |
| 20:24.14 | space_ninja | heh :p |
| 20:24.24 | lunitik | (experimental, sid, testing, stable, oldstable ... yay, I can count) |
| 20:24.33 | lunitik | uhh.. unstable* |
| 20:24.40 | shingouz | i did the Stupid Thing (tm) and volunteered to make a dualbooter with a fresh xp and debian install. the xp makes my hair get even grayer... how the hell can mickeysoft make crap like this, it does not even install cleanly |
| 20:24.46 | stew | experimental maybe doens't count as it is not a release like the others |
| 20:25.11 | lunitik | stew: sid isn'teither... |
| 20:25.15 | stew | lunitik: yes it is |
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| 20:25.17 | space_ninja | but there is only this toy story name and "ladder" name? |
| 20:25.17 | lunitik | pretend there is a space |
| 20:26.26 | lunitik | space_ninja: yes |
| 20:26.27 | space_ninja | the toy story characters climbs on a ladder |
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| 20:26.28 | space_ninja | there should be a picture out of this |
| 20:26.28 | space_ninja | the debian picture |
| 20:26.28 | space_ninja | toy story characters climbing a ladder |
| 20:26.28 | lunitik | stew: Will etch be supporting Hurd and FreeBSD? |
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| 20:26.35 | FuzzyB | lunitik: kfreebsd |
| 20:26.54 | lunitik | FuzzyB: yes... sorry... will it be supported for the first time though? |
| 20:27.01 | stew | lunitik: i seriously doubt the security team is ready to take either of those on |
| 20:27.05 | FuzzyB | anymore than it already is? |
| 20:27.25 | lunitik | FuzzyB: they're not in current stable |
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| 20:27.31 | FuzzyB | nor will they ever be |
| 20:27.35 | stew | FuzzyB: why not? |
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| 20:27.45 | FuzzyB | because they aren't the main focus of debian |
| 20:27.51 | FuzzyB | hurd maybe |
| 20:27.57 | elif | Actually I was trying to change the locale because gnome has a known bug with cedilla, (when we use keymap to us-intl and not using locale set to pt_BR it display ć and not ç. |
| 20:28.04 | stew | FuzzyB: the main focus of debian being something other than the DFSG? |
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| 20:28.30 | Vanita | ih, i would like to block an user to acces SSH is it possible ? |
| 20:28.32 | elif | anyone has a repository with a patched gnome, for this ? |
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| 20:28.42 | FuzzyB | Vanita: yes set the login shell to /bin/false |
| 20:28.55 | stew | Vanita: man sshd_config ; search for Deny |
| 20:28.56 | FuzzyB | stew: no |
| 20:29.11 | lunitik | FuzzyB: who are you? |
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| 20:29.16 | FuzzyB | someone |
| 20:29.25 | stew | FuzzyB: what would prevent kfreebsd from being in stable regardless of debian's main focus? |
| 20:29.55 | FuzzyB | Stew: i'm not the one to ask, but as far as i'm aware and concerned kfreebsd is a hack |
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| 20:30.16 | FuzzyB | and a great proof of concept |
| 20:30.16 | lunitik | FuzzyB: so you're guessing, and stating it as fact? cool |
| 20:30.23 | Vanita | <FuzzyB: i just want to block 1 user not all |
| 20:30.32 | stew | Vanita: man sshd_config ; search for Deny |
| 20:30.37 | Vanita | ok thx |
| 20:30.42 | FuzzyB | Vanita: that blocks that the one user |
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| 20:31.15 | phreqmod | elif, that's weird |
| 20:31.24 | FuzzyB | lunitik: no what i'm saying is not absolute fact, but do you really honestly believe that kfreebsd will be reverned as a stable mature distrubution? |
| 20:31.47 | elif | phreqmod: the problem with gnome ? |
| 20:31.47 | phreqmod | elif, never had problem with the cedilha before... you might try to adjust LC_CTYPE alone |
| 20:31.50 | phreqmod | Yes |
| 20:32.28 | lunitik | FuzzyB: one day, why not? although I can see Gnu/OpenSolaris being so in a more timely mannor |
| 20:32.36 | phreqmod | Although changing LC_CTYPE for anything else then pt_* will effectivally prevent you from using all of Latin 1 accents and stuff |
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| 20:33.19 | FuzzyB | lunitik: I see kfreebsd going the same way of alpha ports, yes there are people that use them, yes there is someone developing them, but no I don't see a broad bright future for either one |
| 20:33.19 | stew | hah, the freebsd kenrel is a hack? hehe |
| 20:33.31 | elif | phreqmod: So if I use LC_CTYPE=pt_BR i'll get cedilla right...? |
| 20:33.31 | lunitik | If Sun ever creates a Linux driver compat layer, I would probably use it over Linux |
| 20:33.39 | phreqmod | elif, correct |
| 20:33.39 | FuzzyB | stew: that's not what i said |
| 20:33.46 | elif | let me try |
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| 20:34.01 | stew | FuzzyB: its not? |
| 20:34.01 | FuzzyB | lunitik: you know about brandZ right? |
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| 20:34.13 | FuzzyB | stew: no the mix of freebsd kernel and debian's userland is the hack |
| 20:34.20 | lunitik | FuzzyB: yes... you can't use it to get hardware working |
| 20:34.21 | FuzzyB | not either one component but the mix of the two |
| 20:34.25 | phreqmod | elif, and if you only change that, and not the other LC stuff, yuo will have everything displayed in English while still being able to input the extended portuguese-used Latin chars |
| 20:34.25 | elif | nope... it's giving me ć yet... |
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| 20:34.40 | stew | FuzzyB: why? |
| 20:34.41 | FuzzyB | lunitik: yea and it's glibc support is rather old ( at least in the version i tried ) |
| 20:34.54 | FuzzyB | stew: maybe you need to go define hack if you need to ask that question |
| 20:35.03 | phreqmod | elif, e.g. "date" will give "Sun Apr 15" and not "Dom Abr 15", etc. |
| 20:35.21 | lunitik | FuzzyB: newer than the glibc that will ship with Etch.... (see Nexanta) |
| 20:35.48 | phreqmod | elif, not sure it that's what you're after... if you want everything properly localized you should set it all to pt_* of course |
| 20:35.52 | FuzzyB | lunitik: the one i used was so out dated and cripled, the one binary i tried to run in it ( valve's steam server ) wouldn't fly |
| 20:36.11 | FuzzyB | and it was nevada build 57 i or 56 i believe |
| 20:36.22 | elif | I typed on the gnome terminal, should I have do it something more, at least in the gnometerminal with this new environmental variable should work, but it didn't... For me its ok too have everything else in english, including date format... but do not have cedilla its difficult. |
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| 20:36.38 | lunitik | FuzzyB: I'm not talking about Solaris... I stated Gnu/OpenSolaris |
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| 20:36.48 | stew | FuzzyB: you are calling it a hack, but you want me to define what hack means? |
| 20:36.58 | FuzzyB | brandZ is only in open solaris |
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| 20:37.07 | phreqmod | elif, could be a font issue |
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| 20:37.17 | FuzzyB | stew: no i'm calling the marrage of the two a hack, quit trolling |
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| 20:38.57 | phreqmod | elif, sorry, timed out |
| 20:39.04 | elif | ok |
| 20:39.07 | elif | thks anyway |
| 20:39.18 | lunitik | FuzzyB: ok... OpenSolaris is an open source kernel... there are several projects based on it... Solaris Navada builds being one example |
| 20:39.23 | phreqmod | elif, as I was saying, the nfont must be at least iso8859-1 |
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| 20:39.34 | elif | maybe I could pass you the doc's I found on net reporting this "bug" I couldn't understand exactly everything. Because I think it's a little confusing this i18n problems... |
| 20:39.45 | FuzzyB | lunitik: yes i know |
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| 20:39.57 | lunitik | FuzzyB: www.gnusolaris.org I believe are using glibc 2.4 |
| 20:40.19 | stew | FuzzyB: i'm not trolling. i'm just asking you to clarify your statements. |
| 20:40.28 | phreqmod | elif, try this |
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| 20:40.56 | stew | FuzzyB: i just was wondering what about it you think is a hack |
| 20:41.01 | FuzzyB | stew: i have already twice |
| 20:41.05 | elif | ok... how should I have proceed to get iso8859-1 fonts ? |
| 20:41.21 | lunitik | FuzzyB: basically, stew doesn't understand why a port to kfreebsd constitutes a hack... those groups have been working for several years to do it correctly.... |
| 20:41.29 | FuzzyB | sure |
| 20:41.34 | FuzzyB | but it's still a hack |
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| 20:41.39 | FuzzyB | they took piece A |
| 20:41.40 | stew | ... |
| 20:41.42 | FuzzyB | and piece B |
| 20:41.46 | lunitik | FuzzyB: elaborate or drop it |
| 20:41.48 | FuzzyB | both pieces not being alike |
| 20:41.53 | FuzzyB | and put them together |
| 20:41.54 | phreqmod | elif, rxvt -fn -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--0-0-100-100-m-0-iso8859-1 |
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| 20:41.56 | FuzzyB | or hacked them together |
| 20:42.04 | stew | kinda like a linux kenrel and a gnu userspace |
| 20:42.09 | stew | just with a different kernel |
| 20:42.10 | FuzzyB | at one time sure |
| 20:42.15 | FuzzyB | but that was a long time ago |
| 20:42.23 | stew | yeah |
| 20:42.28 | phreqmod | elif, try xtern or aterm if you don't have rxvt, or apt-get install any of it. Let's first try to make it work apart from gnome terminal |
| 20:42.31 | FuzzyB | it's much more mature to it now than that |
| 20:42.39 | FuzzyB | err |
| 20:42.42 | FuzzyB | much more to it |
| 20:42.47 | lunitik | FuzzyB: so kFreeBSD is a hack because it's not mature? |
| 20:42.58 | elif | ok. |
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| 20:43.16 | FuzzyB | lunitik: it's a hack because it is young yes, but the big reason is it's taking two dis like pieces and making them work |
| 20:43.19 | elif | I don't have rxvt. |
| 20:43.20 | FuzzyB | don't get me wrong, it's a great idea |
| 20:43.30 | FuzzyB | but i just don't ever see it entering mainstream in any field |
| 20:43.31 | elif | phreqmod: is the same opts for xtern ? |
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| 20:43.55 | lunitik | FuzzyB: they are doing _exactly_ the same thing that happened with Linux |
| 20:44.08 | FuzzyB | where did linux's userland come from? |
| 20:44.12 | elif | phreqmod: I'll apt-get just wait a second |
| 20:44.13 | lunitik | FuzzyB: GNU |
| 20:44.14 | FuzzyB | was it ported from somewhere else |
| 20:44.18 | FuzzyB | or was it built for linux |
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| 20:44.20 | phreqmod | elif, this assumes that you have that font, it's in the 100dpi fonts package, you can use this to fint other suitable fonts: xlsfonts |grep 8859-1|grep -- -c- |
| 20:44.23 | stew | FuzzyB: both |
| 20:44.27 | lunitik | FuzzyB: yes... they ported Linux to GNU userland |
| 20:44.29 | phreqmod | elif, yes, it's the same |
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| 20:45.02 | FuzzyB | let me pull the history on GNU userland really quick |
| 20:45.03 | lunitik | FuzzyB: huh? sure the developers have a focus on Linux, as do most open source projects today.... but Linux wasn't even around when GNU tools were being created |
| 20:45.04 | space_ninja | is debian only for intel x86 or also for amd x86? |
| 20:45.16 | FuzzyB | space_ninja: no |
| 20:45.34 | stew | FuzzyB: huh? |
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| 20:45.54 | stew | space_ninja: its for both (and many others): http://debian.org/ports |
| 20:45.57 | lunitik | stew: actually, that was for you @ "both" |
| 20:46.03 | phreqmod | elif, if you want we can head over to #debian-pt or #debian-br to discuss this in portuguese. It's all the same for me though. |
| 20:46.03 | FuzzyB | i'm talking about the userland |
| 20:46.06 | FuzzyB | not the specific tools |
| 20:46.10 | space_ninja | ok |
| 20:46.11 | FuzzyB | i know the tools were around way before |
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| 20:46.30 | space_ninja | I mean this is really strange, it can't find anything with lspci, it's all unkown device... |
| 20:46.37 | lunitik | FuzzyB: the userland = those tools together.... |
| 20:46.44 | mike1980 | Hi guys I getting "can't parse that no files" in Iceweasel with totem dose any one know how to fix this |
| 20:46.53 | FuzzyB | lunitik: one second phone |
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| 20:47.31 | FuzzyB | lunitik: I think there's more than just the tools to the userland, either way though i gotta run. If your around when i get back i would love to contiune this |
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| 20:48.11 | elif | phreqmod: rxvt -fn -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--0-0-100-100-m-0-iso8859-1, led me to a xterm shell... |
| 20:48.36 | elif | phreqmod: what I'm supposed to do in this shell ? |
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| 20:49.05 | IamEthos_Work | alright |
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| 20:49.14 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:49.14 | IamEthos_Work | so I'm getting Debian for my server |
| 20:49.24 | HardDisk_WP | how can I find out which packages are using the most disk size? |
| 20:49.26 | elif | phreqmod: ok... let's join #debian-pt. |
| 20:49.30 | IamEthos_Work | do I want the 64-bit version or the 32-bit version? |
| 20:49.31 | phreqmod | ok |
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| 20:49.55 | wols_ | IamEthos_Work: depends on your hardware |
| 20:49.59 | IamEthos_Work | (some distros recommend using the 32-bit version even on 64-bit hardware for more reliability. Is that the case here? |
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| 20:50.01 | Ronin | IamEthos_Work: depends, do you have a 32 or 64 bit |
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| 20:50.22 | IamEthos_Work | Ronin, wols_ see my last comment |
| 20:50.28 | IamEthos_Work | it's not a hardware issue |
| 20:50.34 | lunitik | It will likely better suite your needs if you don't know what your needs are |
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| 20:50.45 | pingouin | IamEthos_Work: depends also, if you want nvidia drivers or not ;) |
| 20:51.03 | IamEthos_Work | lunitik, I know I have a 64-bit processor |
| 20:51.05 | baxter_kylie | Hi. Working with my first proper debian install and I can't seem to get it to register its hostname with my dhcp server. Any ideas? |
| 20:51.18 | lunitik | IamEthos_Work: what are you planning on doing with this box? |
| 20:51.56 | IamEthos_Work | lunitik, running apache, php and mysql (or postgres) for a university student organization |
| 20:52.07 | IamEthos_Work | not a lot of hits |
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| 20:52.28 | karsten | How can I find what PID is responsible for a given X window? |
| 20:52.33 | karsten | xwininfo doesn't do it. |
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| 20:53.01 | lunitik | IamEthos_Work: for a server, amd64 (assuming it's not itanium?) |
| 20:53.08 | IamEthos_Work | probably less than 100 each day |
| 20:53.24 | karsten | xprop does :-) |
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| 20:54.26 | ezguy | hi, i have an encrypted file.gpg and i got the pgp.key, how do I descryt this file? |
| 20:54.40 | karsten | A fun way to kill a given window: xprop | awk '/PID/ {print $3}' | xargs kill |
| 20:54.46 | IamEthos_Work | lunitik, it's an intel processor |
| 20:54.53 | SebastianJ | how do i force subversion to use my custom ssh-port instead of port 22 when using svn+ssh? |
| 20:54.53 | karsten | .. then click on the window to kill |
| 20:55.15 | lunitik | IamEthos_Work: EM64t == AMD64 |
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| 20:55.44 | smacnay | I notice that both the cdrom and dvd links in /dev point to the same device (my dvd). Both the drives show up on boot, however. What mechanism creates these links on boot? I would like to change this. |
| 20:56.08 | stew | smacnay: if udev is installed, it would be responsible |
| 20:56.22 | lunitik | (Intel Extended Memory 64bit Technology... Core and newer Pentium processors.... is based on AMD64) |
| 20:56.32 | mike1980 | Hi guys I getting "can't parse that no files" in Iceweasel with totem dose any one know how to fix this |
| 20:56.47 | HardDisk_WP | how can I find out which packages are using the most disk size? |
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| 20:57.04 | HardDisk_WP | on a 22 GB disk only 2GB are free, and /home uses 4GB only |
| 20:57.11 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: not exactly equal to |
| 20:57.21 | stew | HardDisk_WP: the manpage for grep-dctrl shows how to list pacakges by size as one of its examples |
| 20:57.27 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: a little worse than?!? :P |
| 20:57.55 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:~$ man grep-dctrl |
| 20:57.55 | HardDisk_WP | Kein Manual-Eintrag für grep-dctrl vorhanden |
| 20:58.08 | smacnay | stew: thanks |
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| 20:58.17 | abrotman | lunitik: i wasn't lying |
| 20:58.32 | lunitik | abrotman: whoa, delayed reaction! |
| 20:58.43 | abrotman | lunitik: that's what friday meetings will do :) |
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| 20:59.04 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: I dunno but there are difference otherwise having seperate kernels would be pointless |
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| 20:59.23 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: I wasn't aware there were different kernels for them? |
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| 20:59.49 | Olivier_G | Hello ! |
| 21:00.06 | Olivier_G | Going to fr... |
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| 21:00.16 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: afaik, only x86 64bit arch's are ia64 (itanium) and amd64 |
| 21:00.36 | space_ninja | lspci can't find anything |
| 21:00.52 | space_ninja | well it finds but the devices are unknown |
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| 21:01.03 | stew | space_ninja: run update-pciids |
| 21:01.04 | amphi | space_ninja: did you run update-pciids ? |
| 21:01.06 | wols_ | update-pciids |
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| 21:01.10 | amphi | heh |
| 21:01.46 | space_ninja | strange program.. |
| 21:01.49 | wols_ | lunatico: ia64 is anything but x86 |
| 21:01.59 | wols_ | it's as much x86 as alpha or solaris or mips |
| 21:02.12 | wols_ | lunitik: rather |
| 21:02.18 | space_ninja | it's working stew, wols, amphi, what did that program do? |
| 21:02.36 | space_ninja | I hate when I don't understand the program I'm running :) |
| 21:02.41 | amphi | space_ninja: what the name suggests - updated the pci id database |
| 21:02.57 | lunitik | wols_: no... www.debian.org/ports even states this "IA-64 (“ia64”) --- First officially released with Debian 3.0. This is a port to Intel's first 64-bit architecture. Note: this should not be confused with the latest Intel 64-bit extensions for Pentium 4 and Celeron processors, called EM64T; for these, see the AMD64 port. |
| 21:03.03 | lunitik | " |
| 21:03.15 | amphi | space_ninja: that maps oem_ids and device-ids to names |
| 21:03.32 | space_ninja | aha ok |
| 21:03.40 | wols_ | lunitik: ia64 has NOTHING to do with x86. but that's what you said |
| 21:03.45 | space_ninja | does it get the information from the internet |
| 21:03.46 | space_ninja | ? |
| 21:04.05 | wols_ | space_ninja: yes it updates the local infos |
| 21:04.10 | space_ninja | ok |
| 21:04.19 | lunitik | wols_: I was trying to seperate out sparc64 etc etc.... seemed the easiest way and still make sense |
| 21:04.20 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: In processor type and features - there is 4 choices (athlon64/opteron - older em64t - core 2 - generic) I thought there was seperate debian kernels but there must be some differences or the choices would be worthless (in kernel config) |
| 21:04.22 | wols_ | adds the pci ids which came out after the last update or sarge release |
| 21:04.23 | enouf | not the way I read it .. there's a missing "the" |
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| 21:05.12 | smacnay | stew: now to figure out what is wrong and how to fix it. |
| 21:05.13 | enouf | but still ..whatever |
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| 21:06.12 | HardDisk_WP | stew, thanks, I figured it out |
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| 21:07.54 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: yes there are differences, similarly with i386 there was ?86 and k? ... doesn't make it a different arch |
| 21:08.08 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: You said EM64t == AMD64 |
| 21:08.23 | lunitik | (386-686 and k5-k7) |
| 21:08.35 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: == is identical |
| 21:08.56 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: So my old Athlon XP wasn't i386 ? |
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| 21:09.18 | earthian | lunitik, athlon xp is k7 == 686 |
| 21:09.38 | stew | k7 != 686 |
| 21:09.58 | earthian | why? |
| 21:10.05 | lunitik | earthian: I ran a k7 kernel, yes... via i386 arch |
| 21:10.23 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: Its sarge that has em64t specific kernels |
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| 21:10.50 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: EM64T is Intel's implementation of amd64... if they were exactly the same, I'm sure AMD would have something to say about it |
| 21:10.50 | wols_ | earthian: k7 is a bit more than a ppro |
| 21:10.54 | space_ninja | god, modules are a nightmare |
| 21:11.14 | wols_ | lunitik: they are exactly the same logically |
| 21:11.19 | space_ninja | its harder than compiling your own kernel |
| 21:11.37 | Azar | space_ninja: what are you trying to do ? |
| 21:11.39 | wols_ | just like sse in athlons is the exactly same as in intel cpus |
| 21:11.43 | stew | !depends linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 etch |
| 21:11.54 | stew | it just installs amd64 these days |
| 21:12.17 | space_ninja | I'm trying to load a module azar |
| 21:12.29 | earthian | amd64 and em64t are both x86_64 and are called just amd64 as it was 1st in the market |
| 21:12.41 | Azar | space_ninja: the kernel loads your modules, what module you talk about? |
| 21:13.00 | lunitik | earthian: x86_64 is what SUSE decided to call amd64 before AMD decided what to call it |
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| 21:13.41 | space_ninja | a soundcard module |
| 21:13.53 | cmjg | I have what I hope is a quick & eash config question, if this is the appropriate venue |
| 21:13.55 | Azar | space_ninja: the alsa module? |
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| 21:14.08 | space_ninja | oh right |
| 21:14.21 | Azar | space_ninja: what is it the name ? |
| 21:14.49 | wols_ | space_ninja: what soundcard? |
| 21:14.56 | cmjg | I'd like to configure multicast packets to go out of a specific interface (eth0). I can do this post-boot with a route command. I'm wondering if I can add this to the eth0 stanza in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:14.58 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: Its not exactly the same - if you compile with -march=athlon64 and you use 3dnow stuff for example it won't run on em64t |
| 21:15.21 | space_ninja | ati ac97 audio controller |
| 21:15.30 | Azar | nah not that one |
| 21:15.38 | enouf | not only that .. you wouldn't want to compile amd64 on an intel compiler |
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| 21:15.43 | Azar | space_ninja: use the paster and paste the content of "lsmod" command |
| 21:15.47 | pynsa | hi folks |
| 21:16.10 | pynsa | how can i generate a 1gb file (with dummy data, the only thing that matters is the size) very fast |
| 21:16.12 | pynsa | ? |
| 21:16.33 | space_ninja | It's on another computer, wait |
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| 21:16.57 | wols_ | pynsa: man dd |
| 21:16.58 | pynsa | with dd /dev/zero or something like that maybe? |
| 21:17.02 | enouf | dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/filename count=1 seek=1G |
| 21:17.03 | wols_ | yes |
| 21:17.10 | wols_ | or urandom |
| 21:17.16 | pynsa | thx guys :) |
| 21:17.30 | space_ninja | multimedia audio controller: ATI technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 82) |
| 21:17.32 | enouf | or is it skip= ... ? |
| 21:18.08 | wols_ | earthian: I'd use blocksize and count |
| 21:18.16 | Azar | space_ninja: not that one... |
| 21:18.27 | pynsa | omg the file is 512gb big.... |
| 21:18.32 | Azar | paste the lsmod content space_ninja |
| 21:18.38 | Azar | on a |
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| 21:18.40 | Azar | !paster |
| 21:18.41 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:18.58 | space_ninja | It's not this computer |
| 21:19.37 | Azar | space_ninja: then look at it and see if you have any snd_ modules |
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| 21:20.31 | Azar | space_ninja: like mine is snd_via82xx for my sound card |
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| 21:21.17 | space_ninja | I would know if I had the linux source |
| 21:21.46 | enouf | pynsa: sorry .. this is correct dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/filename4 count=1 bs=1 seek=1G |
| 21:22.09 | space_ninja | where do you guys found out the name of the module by when you have the name? |
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| 21:23.17 | Azar | space_ninja: ok your module should be snd_atiixp < found it for you |
| 21:23.37 | pynsa | enouf: np, i was just wondering how i can have a 513gb file on a 40gb disk ... |
| 21:23.40 | Azar | space_ninja: when you type the command : lsmod do you see snd_atiixp ?? |
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| 21:23.55 | enouf | pynsa: it's a beautiful thing ain't it ;-) |
| 21:24.37 | Azar | space_ninja: if not, do you see when you type: lsmod any atiixp_audio? |
| 21:24.39 | space_ninja | no |
| 21:25.04 | Azar | ok |
| 21:25.22 | Azar | space_ninja: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner do what it say |
| 21:25.51 | amphi | pynsa: with great sparsity ;) |
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| 21:27.12 | space_ninja | the only sound related stuff i can see is pcspkr |
| 21:27.12 | Azar | space_ninja: ok, do the alsa one-liner as root |
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| 21:27.24 | space_ninja | I don't have alsa |
| 21:27.27 | blahdeblah | Hi |
| 21:27.43 | Azar | space_ninja: in here, in this channel, in #debian, type: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 21:28.44 | blahdeblah | On kernel 2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 from backports, i'm getting the messages "kernel: 4gb seg fixup, process ..." for lots of processes whenever i try to start a vserver. What causes this? |
| 21:28.51 | space_ninja | But this is not the computer |
| 21:28.56 | space_ninja | that is the problem |
| 21:29.05 | space_ninja | aha |
| 21:29.23 | Azar | space_ninja: it is ok, take a pen, a paper write down the command and perform the command as root on that other pc |
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| 21:30.36 | h3sp4wn | blahdeblah: Are you using the pae hypervisor ? |
| 21:30.51 | PupenoR | How can I see if a network card is 10Mb or 100Mb? |
| 21:31.14 | blahdeblah | h3sp4wn: Not sure - what is the package name? |
| 21:31.31 | blahdeblah | Looks like it might be xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae |
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| 21:32.26 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:32.36 | Azar | ah you finish ? |
| 21:32.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:32.48 | Azar | the lunch.... |
| 21:32.59 | blahdeblah | h3sp4wn: Looks like the answer is yes. :-) |
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| 21:33.07 | Azar | I have virtually took you to lunch abrotman |
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| 21:33.24 | space_ninja | azar, alsaconf doesn't find it |
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| 21:33.47 | Azar | space_ninja: huh? how come? what kernel version you run? |
| 21:33.57 | h3sp4wn | blahdeblah: No idea then (the xen patch for 2.6.18-4 is only reliable with pae (fedora made it)) |
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| 21:34.01 | Azar | space_ninja: uname -a |
| 21:34.08 | space_ninja | 2.6.8-3 |
| 21:34.14 | Azar | damn it should |
| 21:34.24 | space_ninja | where is the modules? |
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| 21:35.31 | blahdeblah | h3sp4wn: OK - might try the other one and see what happens. AFAIK i'm on a non-PAE P4. |
| 21:36.12 | Azar | ok you ran alsaconf and what it said? |
| 21:36.18 | blahdeblah | Then again, i could be wrong, since 'grep pae /proc/cpuinfo' returns something. |
| 21:36.30 | baxter_kylie | HI. How does one replace dhclient with dhcpcd? |
| 21:36.48 | Azar | space_ninja: what did alsaconf said? |
| 21:36.51 | h3sp4wn | blahdeblah: I don't know the specifics only that all fedora kernels use pae so its only tested with pae |
| 21:37.30 | space_ninja | no supported Pnp or PCI card found |
| 21:37.49 | Azar | damn how old is your hardware? |
| 21:37.49 | space_ninja | I'm compiling my own kernel |
| 21:37.55 | space_ninja | it's new |
| 21:38.01 | Azar | space_ninja: so say so so I can shut the f.. up |
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| 21:38.16 | space_ninja | :) |
| 21:38.30 | Azar | im not in custom kernels sorry |
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| 21:39.16 | E911 | hi |
| 21:39.28 | space_ninja | it's the kernel that is old I think |
| 21:39.31 | E911 | why does alsa-base and alsa-config depends on modutils beeing installed? |
| 21:39.37 | space_ninja | wtf |
| 21:39.40 | space_ninja | ops |
| 21:39.44 | Azar | space_ninja: if you got a "normal" Debian installation with a pre-compiled kernel, alsa should install ok, alsaconf should find your modules. |
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| 21:39.51 | E911 | i mean, i've compiled a kernel with all my needed alsa-stuff built into it |
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| 21:40.27 | space_ninja | I can find the module |
| 21:40.29 | E911 | (everything else, too. All the module stuff is not compiled in) |
| 21:40.39 | E911 | So i don't need modutils |
| 21:40.42 | space_ninja | modprobe -l | grep ati |
| 21:40.48 | space_ninja | it's there! |
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| 21:41.12 | space_ninja | how do I load the module? |
| 21:41.19 | Azar | E911: personally, I never wrestled with a gentoo distro ever |
| 21:41.24 | pythonic | i love debian |
| 21:41.37 | space_ninja | azar, I can found the module in my computer, how do I load it? |
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| 21:41.53 | Azar | space_ninja: man, sorry I have no idea, I never compiled a kernel |
| 21:41.59 | space_ninja | no |
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| 21:42.02 | Azar | modconf? |
| 21:42.04 | Azar | try that |
| 21:42.04 | E911 | Azar Gentoo? I've never wrestled with that either ;) |
| 21:42.24 | space_ninja | well I have :) |
| 21:42.28 | space_ninja | I had gentoo today |
| 21:42.33 | space_ninja | and my soundcard worked |
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| 21:42.43 | space_ninja | but then I changed to debian |
| 21:42.54 | stew | space_ninja: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:44.24 | space_ninja | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 21:44.28 | E911 | space_ninja Why did you do that? |
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| 21:44.44 | space_ninja | E911 why I changed? |
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| 21:44.56 | stew | space_ninja: but alsaconf doens't detect your card? |
| 21:45.11 | E911 | space_ninja Yes :) |
| 21:45.22 | stew | space_ninja: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}'" return? |
| 21:45.23 | Azar | stew: I think he has this new ATI chipset that will not go well with 2.6.8 |
| 21:45.41 | Azar | E911: is obvious: because Debian rocks? |
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| 21:46.03 | Azar | I mean look at him how engaged he is! he feels happy |
| 21:46.09 | E911 | Azar :) true |
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| 21:46.56 | space_ninja | E911 I like gentoo, it's kind of easy but I don't like all the setup I have to do with the files and all the time it takes to compile but other than that, it's great, but I learned gentoo, not linux. I'm hoping that debian is more "linux" |
| 21:47.11 | space_ninja | stew no it doesnt detect my card |
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| 21:47.23 | space_ninja | azar should I get testing? |
| 21:47.37 | space_ninja | I was planning to wait for the release |
| 21:47.46 | space_ninja | so I didn't have to change my sources.list |
| 21:47.49 | Azar | space_ninja: if you got a new system hey go for etch (testing) is gonna come out soon anyways |
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| 21:48.06 | stew | space_ninja: does testing's kernel support your card? |
| 21:48.16 | E911 | space_ninja Gentoo takes a lot of time, right. But about Debian beeing more linux, uhhm. I'm not sure. |
| 21:48.26 | Azar | space_ninja: it is said ( I did not say that) that the etch install is cooler than the upgrade: comes with more gadgets |
| 21:48.32 | E911 | space_ninja I've learned Slackware. I think thats more linux ;) |
| 21:48.51 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: You could try http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver |
| 21:49.00 | space_ninja | yeah maybe so, maybe I should get slackware :) |
| 21:49.02 | space_ninja | but no |
| 21:49.04 | Azar | E911: and now that you are here you gonna put a shoulder and help space_ninja to get Debian, RRIGGGHHTT? |
| 21:49.06 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: (not sure whether its new enough though) |
| 21:49.10 | space_ninja | azar ok |
| 21:49.18 | space_ninja | but |
| 21:50.09 | space_ninja | it worked with the 3.6.19-r5 |
| 21:50.09 | space_ninja | kernel |
| 21:50.10 | Azar | space_ninja: E911 in fact helps you to install Debian |
| 21:50.10 | Azar | Etch comes with 2.6.18 |
| 21:50.16 | space_ninja | ok |
| 21:50.17 | Azar | space_ninja: after install, you could use backports to get the 2.6.19 if you want |
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| 21:50.52 | Azar | ... or build your own kernel |
| 21:51.07 | E911 | Azar ;) I can try |
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| 21:51.36 | space_ninja | this has to work |
| 21:51.37 | E911 | Azar But i'm no debian prof. My change didn't happen that long time ago. |
| 21:51.41 | space_ninja | it has the mdule and everything |
| 21:51.48 | Azar | yee!! |
| 21:52.00 | Azar | well space_ninja that's the idea: the kernel has to have all modules you need |
| 21:52.18 | Azar | and alsa installed too |
| 21:54.47 | space_ninja | how do I force the module to be loaded? |
| 21:55.25 | shaggyoaf | Hi, all. Has anybody had any luck putting a preseed file in the tftp server that's serving the files for PXE? |
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| 21:57.19 | E911 | space_ninja What's your actual problem with that soundcard? |
| 21:57.31 | E911 | space_ninja Tuned in to late to catch that ;) |
| 21:58.16 | shaggyoaf | I'm having trouble with it, the installer doesn't seem to have the answers supplied in preseed |
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| 21:58.54 | space_ninja | I'll try slackware and see what happens :) |
| 21:59.05 | stew | space_ninja: does the etch kernel support your card? |
| 21:59.30 | E911 | space_ninja NO! Don't do that. Else i'll be blamed for you not choosing debian by the ppl here ;) |
| 22:00.41 | pickcoder | meh |
| 22:00.43 | Azar | space_ninja: man do what you want... |
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| 22:00.50 | Azar | E911: is your fault! |
| 22:00.52 | Azar | :) |
| 22:01.00 | space_ninja | haha |
| 22:01.16 | space_ninja | Ok, I give it 3 hours of trying to fix it |
| 22:01.18 | Azar | space_ninja: try all you want to try.. |
| 22:01.45 | stew | 17:45 < stew> space_ninja: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}'" return? |
| 22:02.11 | Azar | space_ninja: Etch is the best when it comes about newer hardware, if you can't install/run it.... go for something else then |
| 22:02.49 | Azar | space_ninja: you listen to stew he's one of the bestest around here |
| 22:02.54 | pickcoder | people are so impatient |
| 22:03.07 | pickcoder | dpkg is the best around! |
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| 22:03.24 | Azar | yea dpkg too |
| 22:03.30 | E911 | Azar Uhh, i'm so sorry for that ;) |
| 22:03.40 | stew | !botsnack |
| 22:03.40 | dpkg | aw, gee, stew |
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| 22:04.26 | Cebot | morning |
| 22:04.32 | cusco | night |
| 22:04.41 | space_ninja | stew 1002:4370 |
| 22:05.02 | space_ninja | now I understand awk too :P |
| 22:05.14 | Cebot | i got a problem with autotools and would like to know if someone has a solution: http://rafb.net/p/wfCri459.html |
| 22:05.14 | space_ninja | to |
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| 22:05.46 | smacnay | what causes a 'lost interrupt' message on a cdrom drive shortly after boot? |
| 22:05.55 | stew | space_ninja: does this command return a match?: grep "1002.*4370" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 22:06.18 | Azar | now I screwed my xmms by doing alsaconf with you space_ninja |
| 22:06.39 | stew | space_ninja: (or does it just go to the next prompt..) |
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| 22:06.57 | space_ninja | hehe sorry azar :) |
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| 22:07.02 | E911 | What happens if i remove klogd and syslogd? |
| 22:07.22 | E911 | I Mean, yeah: nothing will get logged :) But does that cause trouble for other programs? |
| 22:07.25 | space_ninja | azar, do you have any sound? |
| 22:07.35 | thorat | Azar: is alsaconf considered harmful? |
| 22:07.41 | Azar | ok fixed it |
| 22:07.42 | Azar | yes |
| 22:07.43 | Triona | E911: the log FIFO may fill |
| 22:07.43 | stew | space_ninja: that card is deinately supported by the etch kernel, that command will tell us if it supported by your current kernel |
| 22:07.53 | stew | thorat: no |
| 22:08.04 | Triona | and messages may get printed to console that wouldn't normally |
| 22:08.08 | Azar | thorat: no , why? |
| 22:08.09 | space_ninja | oh didnt see wait |
| 22:08.11 | E911 | Triona stew Yes/no? |
| 22:08.12 | space_ninja | rebooting |
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| 22:08.21 | Azar | thorat: I just picked the wrong options when I ran it |
| 22:08.26 | thorat | ok, |
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| 22:08.31 | E911 | Triona That's not a probelm, nothing connected do console |
| 22:08.31 | thorat | worked for me |
| 22:08.37 | E911 | Triona ssh only machine |
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| 22:08.51 | Triona | E911: it's generally not a good idea, just use logrotate to keep logs from filling up disk |
| 22:09.07 | Azar | thorat: since I already had alsa working I re-did it to check what was space_ninja saying about and picked the wrong options, now is fixed |
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| 22:09.14 | E911 | Triona But i want to minimize impact on my compact flash card ;) |
| 22:09.26 | Triona | oh, log to a ramdisk then |
| 22:09.40 | Triona | or remote log |
| 22:09.40 | E911 | Triona The second option would be to use ramfs or tmpfs, but that makes logging, uhhm, unnessecary ;) |
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| 22:10.11 | E911 | Triona well, remote logging is propably the best solution |
| 22:10.27 | Triona | the "right way" would be to reconfigure syslog.conf to send logs to places they don't do damage |
| 22:10.30 | E911 | Triona i'll check with my client to see if that's possible |
| 22:10.31 | Azar | my new speakers rock mannnn! |
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| 22:10.42 | E911 | Triona like /dev/null? |
| 22:11.14 | Triona | like remote loghosts, ramdisks, magnetic storage, or the null device, yes |
| 22:11.19 | Triona | or a debug port |
| 22:11.20 | space_ninja | stew, I don't get anything |
| 22:11.29 | Triona | depending on the device and it's requirements |
| 22:11.39 | E911 | Trionahmm, debug port sounds good. That's something i didn't think of till now. |
| 22:11.41 | Azar | space_ninja: what you did now? reinstalled? |
| 22:11.49 | stew | space_ninja: ok, that confirms that your current kernel doesn't support the card. i have checked and debian's 2.6.18 does support your card |
| 22:12.03 | space_ninja | ok |
| 22:12.05 | E911 | Triona i think i'll do that. The machine gots for ttySs, so they will be used well with that solution |
| 22:12.08 | stew | space_ninja: "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18" will give you instructions on installing a kernel that supports it |
| 22:12.11 | Triona | E911: you can log to any file or character device. |
| 22:12.17 | stew | space_ninja: install that kenrel, then rerun alsaconf |
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| 22:12.29 | stew | space_ninja: install that kenrel, reboot, then rerun alsaconf |
| 22:12.43 | space_ninja | I'm doing a dist-upgrade |
| 22:12.52 | space_ninja | I replaced stable with testing |
| 22:12.55 | Triona | which... includes serial ports or virtual consoles |
| 22:13.18 | space_ninja | should I have something else? |
| 22:13.18 | Azar | space_ninja: install aptitude and use aptitude update , aptitude upgrade, then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:13.18 | stew | space_ninja: "/msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel" to get instructions on getting the etch kernel then |
| 22:13.45 | Azar | Cebot: sorry |
| 22:13.47 | E911 | Triona Ok :) Thank's for discussion. I' got an overview of possibilities now |
| 22:13.48 | space_ninja | ok |
| 22:14.23 | Azar | Cebot: looking at http://rafb.net/p/wfCri459.html |
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| 22:14.48 | h3sp4wn | space_ninja: You don't necessarily have to upgrade a kernel to get a new alsa you can just build alsa-source |
| 22:14.54 | Cebot | Azar: thats the link i posted |
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| 22:15.19 | Azar | Cebot: yes but I don't see what is that for? I thought is a paste |
| 22:15.25 | E911 | Triona Uhm, one point left: when i actually decide that i don't need logging at all, will it be safe to remove syslogd and klogd? |
| 22:15.41 | space_ninja | ok |
| 22:15.50 | pickcoder | E911: just dump the logs to /dev/null |
| 22:15.54 | Triona | E911: safer to /dev/null |
| 22:15.59 | space_ninja | but should I replace stable with etch or testing? |
| 22:16.10 | Azar | Cebot: describe your problem with the autotools |
| 22:16.18 | E911 | pickcoder Triona But won't that take up precious cpu cycles? ;) |
| 22:16.21 | bruenig | if anyone here is familiar with debs, I see this postinst script that just has a $1 in it out of nowhere, what is that $1, I assume it has something to do with how dpkg runs that script or something |
| 22:16.25 | VolVE | hey all, I've got a linux network Bridge setup and I'm wondering the best way to get input/output statistics from it - any tips at all? |
| 22:16.28 | Cebot | Azar: it is the output of autoconf...a problem as you can see...a problem i never saw before for that package (heh, i always compiled it on gentoo before) |
| 22:16.34 | Azar | space_ninja: stable is Sarge ... testing is Etch |
| 22:16.41 | Triona | E911: even on a 386, not evough to worry about. |
| 22:16.49 | pickcoder | E911: if CPU cycles is that important then you need to build your own distro with only the components you need |
| 22:16.54 | Azar | Cebot: is that a debian package? |
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| 22:17.32 | Triona | and unless you are looking at under 4MB ram, syslogd is the least of your worries for optimization. |
| 22:17.36 | h3sp4wn | Cebot: Its automake that is not fully compatible |
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| 22:17.55 | Azar | space_ninja: stew said you can get a 2.6.18 kernel with stable(sarge) that you are using, or... dist-upgrade to Etch and then again get the 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 22:18.12 | encrypt | when i restart bind, it takes about a minute to restart and some domains just dont resolve.. i was checking /var/log/messages and i see there is such a loop receiving zone notifies :/ anyone would have any idea? |
| 22:18.21 | Cebot | Azar: would i need to manually autoconf it if it was a .deb package? :D |
| 22:18.22 | E911 | Triona pickcoder Ok. This machine is not THAT embedded. So i just won't worry and keep working on it ;) |
| 22:18.25 | Azar | encrypt: etch? |
| 22:18.30 | encrypt | etch? |
| 22:18.47 | Azar | Cebot: if is a .deb for sure it has a conf tool |
| 22:18.53 | Cebot | h3sp4wn: any ideas on how to solve it? |
| 22:18.53 | Azar | encrypt: do you use etch? |
| 22:18.58 | encrypt | ahhh |
| 22:19.01 | encrypt | hmm no |
| 22:19.09 | h3sp4wn | Cebot: What you trying to build ? |
| 22:19.16 | Cebot | Azar: seems you should read man autoconf to understand first what this tool is used for :) |
| 22:19.34 | Triona | E911: I used to have a 386, 16Mhz, and 4MB ram. That was my only machine until about 1999 |
| 22:19.51 | Cebot | h3sp4wn: cal3d svn snapshot |
| 22:20.14 | RvGaTe | I have a server running on sarge... since etch is frozen, can i safely reinstall/dist-upgrade it ? |
| 22:20.21 | E911 | Triona Wasn't that like the combination of hardware linus used to develop linux on back in 1990? Cool :) |
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| 22:20.55 | Triona | E911: no money sucks :P |
| 22:21.13 | tuvwx | how can i fix this: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foomatic-filters.postinst: /usr/bin/ucf: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: File too large |
| 22:21.25 | h3sp4wn | Cebot: aptitude search automake~i (see what version is installed) try 1.9 if its 1.10 |
| 22:21.27 | Azar | encrypt: see if your issue is bug-reported http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=no&pkg=bind9 |
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| 22:21.32 | encrypt | ty! |
| 22:21.34 | tuvwx | what could be causing it? |
| 22:21.37 | E911 | Triona That's absolutely true. Hope you've got a faster box now ;) |
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| 22:22.01 | Cebot | 1.10 (automake --version :D) |
| 22:22.13 | E911 | Triona I'd love to chat a little bit more wih you, but i'll have to leave now. Girlfriend's waiting ;) |
| 22:22.21 | E911 | bye guys |
| 22:22.41 | h3sp4wn | Cebot: Not unusual to have more than one version installed though that is why I suggested the above |
| 22:22.47 | Azar | Cebot: you are right... all I wanted to say if that Debian does not have this package you might be on a long night work compiling and fixing dependencies |
| 22:23.49 | Azar | RvGaTe: you might want to wait few more weeks now.. |
| 22:23.59 | Cebot | Azar: even if there was a deb package for cal3d, cs, cel...i would not use them, because for the main program i need exectly those svn snapshots |
| 22:24.04 | pingouin | where can i find some explanation to build a .deb package, that i can install with dpkg -i my.deb, from source downloaded on a website ? thank you. |
| 22:24.16 | Azar | Cebot: oh I see... |
| 22:24.30 | Cebot | h3sp4wn: |
| 22:24.31 | Cebot | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.31 | Cebot | i automake - A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
| 22:24.31 | Cebot | i automake1.9 - A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
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| 22:24.31 | h3sp4wn | pingouin: cdbs is probably the easiest (proper) way to do it |
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| 22:24.50 | Azar | Cebot: |
| 22:24.51 | Cebot | grr, 2 line floodkick? |
| 22:24.52 | Azar | !paster |
| 22:24.52 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 22:25.16 | Cebot | 3 lines are usual i thought |
| 22:25.17 | pingouin | h3sp4wn: ok, thanks, but what is cdbs ? (sorry to ask) |
| 22:25.20 | manu_hack | hi all, i'd like to convert avi files to mov using ffmpeg, but it always gives "Unsupported codec for output stream " I googled around and someone said it's because the ffmpeg is not compiled with many support, does anyone know of other package to do task? |
| 22:25.22 | Azar | Cebot: 3 were |
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| 22:25.52 | Cebot | Azar: the flood were 2 lines, between the first line and the 2line paste was a delay time :D |
| 22:26.00 | h3sp4wn | pingouin: Its a way of building debian packages (if the package uses ./configure you probably won't have to do much) |
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| 22:26.21 | h3sp4wn | pingouin: install dh_make and select cdbs option |
| 22:26.43 | pingouin | h3sp4wn: ok thanks for the help, i try that |
| 22:27.09 | h3sp4wn | pingouin: dh_make --createorig (from an unpacked source directory) |
| 22:27.24 | Cebot | h3sp4wn: the box owner just downgraded automake for me, but still the same prob |
| 22:27.34 | lunitik | manu_hack: ffmpeg doesn't support .mov |
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| 22:27.57 | h3sp4wn | Cebot: I don't know without the full output (even then I might not) |
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| 22:28.20 | Azar | ATI users: ATI R200 Linux Misconceptions http://www.michaellarabel.com/?k=blog&i=109 << good info and warnings |
| 22:28.21 | thorat | manu_hack: have you checked if vlc does what you need? |
| 22:28.23 | manu_hack | lunitik, ffmpeg in general or on debian? |
| 22:28.33 | lunitik | manu_hack: in general afaik |
| 22:28.43 | Cebot | h3sp4wn: i pasted the full output |
| 22:29.14 | manu_hack | thorat, okay, will check that out |
| 22:29.32 | manu_hack | so on debian, how to convert avi to mov? |
| 22:29.32 | lunitik | manu_hack: you can try mencode or whatever (can use kmplayer as a frontend if you'd like) from debian-multimedia.org if it absolutely MUST be .mov |
| 22:30.46 | lunitik | manu_hack: make sure and install w32codecs ... |
| 22:30.46 | manu_hack | thx lunitiik, I don't want .mov, but my wii only plays mov |
| 22:30.59 | h3sp4wn | Azar: I have never used fglrx with my r200 (and it worked better than any card in terms of picture quality and general polish I have ever had) |
| 22:31.00 | manu_hack | have some movies in avi format but want to play on my wii |
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| 22:32.17 | Azar | h3sp4wn: well never used ATI but I thought it had info for the future for ATI users |
| 22:32.30 | IamEthos | for a Woodcrest Xeon, would I use the ia64 image? |
| 22:32.53 | pickcoder | IamEthos: which number model is that series? |
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| 22:33.10 | jelly-home | IamEthos: no |
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| 22:33.31 | jelly-home | !ia64 |
| 22:33.31 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 22:33.33 | IamEthos | jelly-home, which image would I use? |
| 22:33.52 | h3sp4wn | Azar: the r200 is the the free-est of the free (only reason I don't still use one is because there is no pci-e ones available) - the xorg drivers are great - that article kind of implies they are bad |
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| 22:34.53 | Azar | h3sp4wn: what I understood that the legacy drivers of "now" are good but nothing rosy in the future |
| 22:34.53 | jelly-home | IamEthos: either i386 or amd64 depending on your needs |
| 22:35.10 | IamEthos | amd64? it's an Intel processor...? |
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| 22:35.18 | jelly-home | IamEthos: yup. |
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| 22:35.26 | scv | h3sp4wn: could your r200 be supported on the xfree? |
| 22:35.47 | h3sp4wn | Azar: the legacy binary only drivers - the free - Driver "radeon" drivers are great and will always be so (as they are free) |
| 22:35.55 | jelly-home | IamEthos: amd64 is used for both intel and amd x86-64 cpus |
| 22:36.01 | h3sp4wn | scv: Perfectly |
| 22:36.07 | pickcoder | IamEthos: which board are you using? |
| 22:36.27 | scv | someone had a r300... |
| 22:36.27 | Azar | h3sp4wn: I still eye the Nouveau thing |
| 22:36.43 | IamEthos | pickcoder, good question, I'm trying to track all of this information down using the documentation Dell gave me and their website |
| 22:37.09 | pickcoder | I bought the latest Intel server board for my 5130 and ended up jumping through BIOS update hoops |
| 22:37.15 | pickcoder | wouldn't recognize my drive controller at all |
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| 22:37.27 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Me 2 - I regret buying nvidia though (would have rather in hindsight got one of the r300 ati's that is mostly supported now with the free drivers) |
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| 22:37.54 | pickcoder | I'm running the amd64/em64t distro with the ia-32 libs for compat |
| 22:37.58 | Azar | h3sp4wn: is the first time I hear about ATI free drivers |
| 22:37.58 | pyrohotdog | n00b question...how do I make programs launch on login? (blackbox) |
| 22:38.19 | scv | *sigh, anyway... ati is history now |
| 22:38.31 | streuner | pyrohotdog: in xsession put 'some_prog. &' |
| 22:38.46 | pyrohotdog | Thank you. :) |
| 22:38.59 | scv | I used to consider ati = bad ogl surport |
| 22:38.59 | manu_hack | thorat: seems like vlc may work, thx, |
| 22:39.11 | streuner | pyrohotdog: there is a fine FAQ for flux, fluxbox.sf.net |
| 22:39.12 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Upto 9250 ati released specs - now there is reverse engineered driver that support upto X850 (fglrx sucks) but you do get mostly working 3d maybe not too good for games but fine for anything else |
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| 22:39.37 | scv | s/surport/support |
| 22:39.50 | streuner | pyrohotdog: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook.php |
| 22:39.56 | h3sp4wn | Azar: http://megahurts.dk/rune/r300_status.html (thats roughly the current status - for the xorg in etch but the manpage was not updated in time) |
| 22:40.01 | Azar | h3sp4wn: no ip/patents attached? |
| 22:40.06 | IamEthos | jelly-home, are their advantages to using either i383 or amd64? |
| 22:40.08 | Azar | I mean legally free? |
| 22:40.12 | IamEthos | *i386 |
| 22:40.14 | pyrohotdog | *blackbox |
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| 22:40.38 | streuner | pyrohotdog: flux(box) is based on blackbox... |
| 22:40.43 | thorat | manu_hack: that's great, i just did an apt-cache search quicktime |
| 22:40.50 | scv | o.o they have hacked the r300? |
| 22:40.59 | IamEthos | this is for a web server that will be running mysql, (or postgres) and php and gets probably less than 100 hits / day |
| 22:41.09 | jelly-home | IamEthos: i386 is still considered more stable. OTOH, some apps work better on amd64. |
| 22:41.11 | IamEthos | probably far less than that in fact |
| 22:41.43 | h3sp4wn | Azar: I don't think so (ati allowed it to be done before and didn't make that many changes - so they could reverse engineer) - X1000 + is completely different though (not even 2d) |
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| 22:41.46 | IamEthos | jelly-home, do those apps include Apache, MySQL, PostGresql or php5? |
| 22:42.13 | jelly-home | IamEthos: I think mysql is one, don't know about the rest. |
| 22:42.14 | manu_hack | thorat: I thought you use vlc player :) it's the first time I know this thing, usually I use mplayer |
| 22:42.28 | thorat | manu_hack: I do use it ;) |
| 22:42.34 | thorat | manu_hack: just not for transcoding |
| 22:42.35 | pickcoder | I'm running amd64 on my box and have apache2 serving an e-commerce system |
| 22:42.39 | Azar | h3sp4wn: I am over the news every morning with my coffee, I would have noticed someone say that ati drivers are free... or at least some ati-clone free |
| 22:42.40 | IamEthos | well, I think I'll go with i386 for now, to stay on the safe side? |
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| 22:42.48 | pickcoder | it hasn't blown up yet |
| 22:42.53 | manu_hack | thorat, which one is better? mplayer, vlc? |
| 22:43.02 | IamEthos | pickcoder, no issues? |
| 22:43.05 | pickcoder | but the 32-bit release is definately more mature |
| 22:43.09 | thorat | manu_hack: I think the licence issues are clearer with vlc |
| 22:43.21 | pickcoder | nope.. I'm even running old 32-bit apps that were compiled on like RH9 |
| 22:43.29 | IamEthos | why are the amd64 releases "unofficial"? |
| 22:43.31 | thorat | manu_hack: I have both installed, when one doesn't work, I use the other |
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| 22:43.38 | pickcoder | though you have to install the ia-32 libs package |
| 22:44.08 | ChaosR | can you use GNOME and KDE and XFCE together on the same installation on debian without a lot of problems |
| 22:44.17 | petemc | yes |
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| 22:44.22 | h3sp4wn | Azar: I have had it working with a 9800pro 6 months or so ago or more - see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412947 |
| 22:44.37 | manu_hack | thorat, maybe it's time for me to try them myself, so excited such time when I find a software new to me :) |
| 22:44.40 | Azar | mister petemc! nice to see you again |
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| 22:44.46 | ChaosR | anything special I should do before installing more desktops? |
| 22:44.51 | IamEthos | anyone? |
| 22:44.55 | pickcoder | IamEthos: to be safe, Sarge 32-bit is the most stable route |
| 22:44.59 | petemc | ChaosR: not really |
| 22:45.05 | pickcoder | but you may or may not get both cores |
| 22:45.05 | ChaosR | :D |
| 22:45.16 | Azar | h3sp4wn: let me ask you the other way: do you need to put "contrib non-free" on your sources in order to install the ATI driver? |
| 22:45.24 | h3sp4wn | Azar: No |
| 22:45.36 | pickcoder | I'd try a sample Sarge install first and put an SMP kernel on it |
| 22:45.36 | Azar | WOW |
| 22:45.39 | Azar | stew that true? |
| 22:45.44 | h3sp4wn | Azar: (only using xserver-xorg-video-ati on those cards) |
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| 22:46.38 | IamEthos | pickcoder, does the default kernel not come with SMP enabled? |
| 22:47.03 | pickcoder | from based on my past dozen or so installs, I don't remember it happening by default |
| 22:47.10 | pickcoder | you get the plain i386 kernel |
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| 22:47.19 | pickcoder | but then you can install an SMP image for 686 |
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| 22:47.44 | pickcoder | as of like 2.6.8 I think smp is built in |
| 22:47.51 | pickcoder | not sure about that, though |
| 22:47.51 | IamEthos | is the 386 dvd iso on 2 dvds?! |
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| 22:48.10 | pickcoder | when you boot the sarge install CD type "linux26" to get the 2.6 install |
| 22:48.11 | thorat | manu_hack: mplayer used to be my first choice, now it's vlc; I think it has caught up and more |
| 22:48.14 | twinkiman | does anyone know why firestarter would have all policy related buttons unavailable? |
| 22:48.29 | bipolar | I just had an entire LVM, non snapshot partition revert to december. does anyone have any idea how somthing like that could happen? |
| 22:48.48 | pickcoder | IamEthos: just get the net install CD and let it download what you want |
| 22:49.06 | streuner | !d-i IamEthos |
| 22:49.07 | dpkg | IamEthos, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:49.25 | bipolar | I had three three LVM partitons. one of them reverted when the system rebooted |
| 22:49.52 | jair_11 | jetscreamer: the command ghost does not exist, that is what the irssi terminal irc tells me :( |
| 22:50.01 | manu_hack | thorat, I also have a feeling that vlc is slightly better |
| 22:50.07 | thorat | ok |
| 22:50.28 | jair_11 | jetscreamer: I am doing this-> "/ghost jair xxxxx" |
| 22:50.32 | Azar | jair_11: use /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 22:50.46 | jair_11 | all right thanks |
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| 22:53.24 | Azar | what? what did I say now? |
| 22:53.37 | d4m3ntz | thorat, vlc has its own codecs, mplayer uses outside libraries |
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| 22:54.22 | Azar | yeah I thought so... he was a gentoobie |
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| 22:55.35 | Rydekull | !bugs |
| 22:55.37 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 22:55.41 | thorat | d4m3ntz: right, so one should use the unofficial packages (debian-multimedia.org) for mplayer |
| 22:55.43 | Rydekull | Interesting |
| 22:55.54 | Azar | Rydekull: 33 |
| 22:56.25 | Rydekull | Azar: come again? |
| 22:56.33 | Azar | Rydekull: 33 |
| 22:56.57 | jair_11 | Azar: I will check it, It is explaining me about it |
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| 22:57.05 | jair_11 | Azar: Thanks |
| 22:57.07 | Rydekull | Azar: ... ok, let me rephrase. Why on earth are you telling me the number 33? |
| 22:57.16 | Azar | jair_11: you are welcome |
| 22:57.24 | Azar | Rydekull: why you said !bugs |
| 22:57.40 | Rydekull | Azar: since I wanted dpkg to respond to me? |
| 22:57.54 | Azar | Rydekull: hes at the restroom man! |
| 22:57.56 | Rydekull | Azar: and enlighten the fact that the command isnt working |
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| 22:58.10 | Azar | ok |
| 22:58.12 | Rydekull | Azar: due to the fact that the webpage it fetches the bugs from is, closed, removed, nonexisting |
| 22:58.29 | Azar | ..ummmmm right |
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| 22:58.44 | Rydekull | Azar: so please, dont just tell a random person just a number like that :) |
| 22:58.55 | Melfice | Rydekull: 69 |
| 22:59.14 | bushblows | on a debian net installer disk, when I get to detecting network hardware it always freezes on 47%, what could fix this? |
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| 22:59.34 | Rydekull | Melfice: you're so funny |
| 22:59.51 | Azar | Rydekull: but the number 33 is correct you like, want it or not |
| 23:00.01 | Rydekull | Azar: it really isnt |
| 23:00.30 | Azar | I got the bug counts |
| 23:00.36 | Azar | and you don't |
| 23:00.43 | Rydekull | But I dont want the bug counts :P |
| 23:00.47 | Rydekull | Geez |
| 23:01.05 | Azar | ah ok |
| 23:02.24 | rahul | PARTY IN NYC |
| 23:02.27 | Azar | rahul :) |
| 23:02.45 | Azar | starting early friday night huh.... watching basketball ? |
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| 23:02.55 | rahul | ROCK AND ROLL |
| 23:03.06 | rahul | fuck basketball. |
| 23:03.17 | rahul | I'm gonna be in the mosh pit |
| 23:03.35 | rfrank | hey guys - how do I edit the programs in the menu in xfce? if I go into the xfce4-menueditor, it just shows --- include ---- system where all my progs are |
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| 23:05.34 | rahul | anyone in NYC: Arlene's Grocery at Ludlow and Stanton. it's starting now, but the awesome bands won't be on till 10. |
| 23:05.47 | rahul | wear a debian t-shirt or something so I can find you, heh |
| 23:06.26 | x_link | My 1600x1200 looks just like when I used 1280x1024, I remember when I first changed, then I really noticed difference, but now it seems the same. |
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| 23:07.14 | rahul | x_link: xdpyinfo |
| 23:07.15 | x_link | Can it be that nvidia-settings/KDE Control Center are showing the wrong resolution? |
| 23:07.15 | x_link | rahul: ok |
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| 23:07.16 | rahul | my fucking goodness |
| 23:07.27 | x_link | ? |
| 23:07.39 | x_link | rahul: I didn't undertand that command. |
| 23:07.40 | rahul | heh |
| 23:07.51 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@2001:688:c33:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 23:07.52 | rahul | it prints out all the details of the display |
| 23:07.58 | rahul | look for the resolution |
| 23:08.22 | abrotman | or try xrandr |
| 23:09.00 | rahul | I DON'T NEED NO HERO |
| 23:09.14 | rahul | but I do need a shower... |
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| 23:11.20 | rahul | well, at least I have ONE friend coming fo kinda sho |
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| 23:12.00 | rahul | I hope I don't die this weekend |
| 23:12.04 | testset | hey, where is the ati "radeon" driver? i donnot find it. :/ (ati radeon 9000mobility+) |
| 23:12.17 | rahul | I have to at least live till 2 days after my next birthday |
| 23:12.24 | rfrank | hey guys - how do I edit the programs in the menu in xfce? if I go into the xfce4-menueditor, it just shows --- include ---- system where all my progs are |
| 23:12.30 | rahul | testset: the ati driver is the one you ask for |
| 23:12.41 | rahul | testset: radeon will be autodetected and loaded |
| 23:12.49 | testset | hm... it won't work |
| 23:12.57 | testset | i am runnin currently vesa mode |
| 23:13.11 | rahul | /var/log/X*.log |
| 23:13.23 | rahul | some light reading for you |
| 23:13.58 | testset | >(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 Lf [FireGL 9000] rev 1, Mem $(II) Addressable bus resource ranges are |
| 23:13.58 | testset | hm... i will try it again, mom |
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| 23:18.02 | testset | damn i forgot the (word which i forgot too) for changing xorg settings via terminal |
| 23:18.11 | smacnay | how many locales (there are three for US) does one use for a typical setup - if switching language is not necessary? |
| 23:18.32 | smacnay | testset: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 23:18.46 | testset | doh... i know something with dpkg, ty |
| 23:19.18 | testset | weird... won't work |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | smacnay: i just enabled all the US ones |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | testset: errors are helpful |
| 23:19.40 | phreqmod | smacnay, I always assumed you guys could get away with plain "C" |
| 23:19.41 | LightKnight | Hi there :) firefox/iceweasel 2.0.0.2+dfsg-3, Debian Etch, crashes every time I try to open the Preferences dialog. Any hint? |
| 23:19.47 | testset | no "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " won't work ^^° |
| 23:19.52 | abrotman | LightKnight: stop doing that! |
| 23:20.14 | LightKnight | abrotman: stop trying opening Preferences? :) |
| 23:20.21 | testset | ah, my fault |
| 23:20.28 | abrotman | LightKnight: mv .mozilla .mozilla-bkup .... and try again |
| 23:20.52 | testset | now there is ATI, but not radeon. is this the same open soruce driver? |
| 23:21.06 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 23:21.09 | LightKnight | abrotman: OK, just a minute... |
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| 23:21.42 | testset | k, i will reset my wm |
| 23:21.45 | abrotman | LightKnight: FYI .. on etch .. mine is fine (i don't really use iceweasel though) |
| 23:22.42 | LightKnight | abrotman: crashes just the same... |
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| 23:23.03 | abrotman | really ? |
| 23:23.05 | rfrank | how do I change the gdm theme |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | gdmsetup |
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| 23:23.26 | testset | hooray horay, o happy day ;-) works perfect as ever ;-) |
| 23:23.28 | LightKnight | abrotman: yup :( |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | LightKnight: that's super bad ... |
| 23:23.35 | smacnay | abrotman: which do you use, of the three US ones? ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-15, or the UTF-8 one? |
| 23:23.35 | LightKnight | it is, indeed. |
| 23:23.40 | abrotman | checked the BTS ? |
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| 23:24.37 | LightKnight | abrotman: yeah, various crash bugs, but I don't think they may apply to my case. I'm thinking of strace-ing the whole thing and send it in a new bug. |
| 23:24.49 | smacnay | abrotman: do you know what the most common cause for a device to give a 'lost interrupt' message (in dmesg) and the device to be inaccessible? |
| 23:24.54 | abrotman | LightKnight: sounds like a good plan .. just try it quickly and see where it dies |
| 23:25.03 | IamEthos | aaaaaah |
| 23:25.04 | abrotman | smacnay: drugs |
| 23:25.07 | IamEthos | House is on at 8 |
| 23:25.13 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 23:25.15 | IamEthos | and I'm still trying to download images |
| 23:25.16 | LightKnight | abrotman: OK :) |
| 23:25.27 | smacnay | abrotman: hehe |
| 23:25.28 | abrotman | LightKnight: does it matter if there's a page open or not ? |
| 23:25.29 | smacnay | no |
| 23:25.40 | abrotman | smacnay: maybe ask #kernel |
| 23:25.42 | LightKnight | abrotman: no, it crashes from afresh too. |
| 23:25.42 | dvs | IamEthos: so what? is he making a house call? |
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| 23:26.01 | Azar | I don't see any bug about firefox reported yet |
| 23:26.27 | IamEthos | dvs, I didn't really get that |
| 23:26.55 | IamEthos | it's going to take forever and a day to download these ISOs |
| 23:27.07 | IamEthos | I'm going home, I'll come back when they're done. |
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| 23:27.08 | dvs | IamEthos: dont you have internet? |
| 23:27.23 | IamEthos | dvs, I do, but the server is in an office on campus |
| 23:27.27 | IamEthos | which has no TV |
| 23:27.30 | phreqmod | smacnay, ISO-8859-1 is Latin1, the -15 is Latin1+Euro sign (so, an upgrade as it were). Between the 3 I would say ISO-88591-15 is probably the best in terms of software suport/ease of use/completeness. |
| 23:27.44 | phreqmod | s/suport/support/ |
| 23:27.45 | IamEthos | so I'm going to download them at home |
| 23:27.47 | IamEthos | and come back |
| 23:27.52 | IamEthos | I just wanted to avoid coming back |
| 23:27.54 | IamEthos | that's all |
| 23:28.01 | IamEthos | I'm actually thinking of installing archlinux |
| 23:28.06 | IamEthos | but I know that's a bad idea |
| 23:28.13 | IamEthos | I just want to get this server running |
| 23:28.33 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:28.36 | dondelelcaro | you're better off just using UTF-8; less need to hassle with charset conversions |
| 23:28.50 | dvs | seconded |
| 23:29.19 | Fyorl | i vote utf-7 |
| 23:29.24 | dvs | heh |
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| 23:30.30 | phreqmod | True, but it requires software that supports it. I don't use it now solely because of that but because editing a UTF-8 enconded file becomes akin to editing binary data without the proper support, whereas I can read Latin1 in an ASCII console without great problems. |
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| 23:30.40 | LightKnight | abrotman: got the strace :) |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | anything useful ? |
| 23:30.49 | phreqmod | But, again, it's a "better" solution to enconding problems and multi language support |
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| 23:31.26 | Acu | Every time I am installing debian I have to go on choosing manually the applications I want to be installed - is any way I can make a script which can be read automatically and install everything in one shot without inteligent human intervention ? |
| 23:31.40 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 23:31.40 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 23:31.45 | LightKnight | abrotman: --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 23:32.16 | LightKnight | abrotman: nothing more useful AFAISee... but I could well be mistaken (and I hope so) :) |
| 23:32.45 | Acu | abrotman: thanks - that is too simple :) |
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| 23:33.15 | Fyorl | would it be wrong to just go back to useing yum because it complains less? |
| 23:33.19 | Fyorl | using* |
| 23:33.35 | abrotman | what? |
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| 23:33.54 | abrotman | why would you use yum on debian ? |
| 23:34.12 | Azar | something yummmmy |
| 23:34.21 | cusco | for your tummy |
| 23:34.22 | Fyorl | I wouldn't... |
| 23:34.29 | Azar | ;) |
| 23:34.32 | h3sp4wn | phreqmod: 0-127 is still the same in UTF-8 its not like editing a binary file |
| 23:34.33 | abrotman | then why are you asking us ? |
| 23:34.54 | Fyorl | well I was trying out synaptic... |
| 23:35.12 | rfrank | http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Murrine++Xfwm+Theme?content=43083 anyone know what music player this is in the screenshot |
| 23:35.19 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: installing centos/Rhel under xen (its painful but it does work) |
| 23:35.33 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: (thats the reason for yum I think) |
| 23:35.42 | abrotman | why is he asking us ? |
| 23:36.01 | h3sp4wn | No clue |
| 23:36.10 | smacnay | phreqmod: thanks - that is a help. I am trying to get bzflag to start after it magically (mysteriously) quit working after a minor kernel upgrade. Claims there is no key to enter the game. I may reboot the older kernel and see if things are ok there. |
| 23:36.11 | cusco | seems like amarok |
| 23:36.22 | Azar | Fyorl: we don't use yum |
| 23:36.23 | cusco | rfrank: |
| 23:36.29 | abrotman | rfrank: besides the fact it tells you in hte title bar ? |
| 23:36.32 | rfrank | also how do I use a theme I find on xfce-look |
| 23:36.41 | rfrank | abrotman, isnt that the band and song title? |
| 23:36.43 | Fyorl | Azar: I know but it was a general question |
| 23:36.48 | abrotman | !info quodlibet etch |
| 23:36.56 | dpkg | quodlibet: (audio library manager and player for GTK+), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.23.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 23:37.10 | Fyorl | Azar: I've got synaptic and yum and I heard synaptic was faster |
| 23:37.15 | rfrank | ah |
| 23:37.23 | Fyorl | so I thought i'd try it out |
| 23:37.44 | Fyorl | but it has thrown up a bunch of broken packages |
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| 23:38.09 | Fyorl | and I'm wondering whether it's worth fixing them all to use synaptic or just go back to yum |
| 23:38.18 | Fyorl | even if you don't use yum |
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| 23:38.45 | Fyorl | the question still applies |
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| 23:39.00 | Fyorl | I mean, is it a good idea to just leave those packages broken? |
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| 23:39.29 | rutski | hi all |
| 23:39.31 | cusco | Fyorl: are you using debian? |
| 23:39.46 | Fyorl | cusco: nope... |
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| 23:39.56 | rutski | I just wrote an OpenGL program of "hello world" level complexity, but when I try to run it I get "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." |
| 23:40.01 | rfrank | How do I install xfwm themes |
| 23:40.02 | rutski | and it fails to start |
| 23:40.11 | h3sp4wn | Fyorl: well ask #centos or #redhat or #fedora etc |
| 23:40.29 | cusco | rutski: what graphic card have you got? |
| 23:40.30 | Fyorl | rutski: your graphisc card doesn't support DRI maybe? |
| 23:41.00 | rutski | cusco: It's some sort of crappy ATI |
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| 23:41.10 | rutski | and OpenGL program's have worked on this laptop before; that's for sure |
| 23:41.25 | cusco | programs taht doesn't require dri |
| 23:41.37 | rutski | cusco: s/OpenGL programs/this program/ |
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| 23:41.47 | rutski | cusco: and the XFree logs say that DRI loaded OK |
| 23:41.51 | lunitik | rutski: you'll need to install fglrx if the ati/radeon drivers aren't working |
| 23:42.12 | phreqmod | h3sp4wn, I'm refering to a text in a native Latin or Northern Germanic language, with lots of accented and special characters. the UTF-8 version looks more troublesome to read to my eyes than the 8859-* version using as ANSI font... |
| 23:42.24 | phreqmod | Could be that I'm used to the mangling though |
| 23:42.30 | rutski | lunitik: I'm just using the generic vesa driver at the moment |
| 23:42.47 | unix_infidel | hmm, 400GB for 99 dollar from WD. why cant i seem to actually buy it :P |
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| 23:43.20 | bushblows | is their anyway to get debians net installer to not freeze on 47% while detecting network hardware |
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| 23:43.42 | lunitik | rutski: uhh... have you tried either of 'ati' or 'radeon' instead? |
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| 23:44.34 | Ronin | bushblows: what release of the installer? kernel ? |
| 23:44.35 | lunitik | rutski: if it's a 'crappy' card... it should be supported (so long as its not a Radeon Express) |
| 23:44.42 | cusco | rutski: glxinfo|grep dir |
| 23:44.49 | lunitik | Xpress actually I think... whatever |
| 23:44.50 | cusco | what does it return? |
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| 23:44.54 | solar_sea | Hello, i've just installed debian 3.1 with netinst. Is there a one-liner to get X downloaded & installed ? |
| 23:45.03 | lunitik | cusco: he's using vesa right now.... so it'll return 'no' |
| 23:45.03 | rutski | glut: you mean "dri"? |
| 23:45.19 | dvs | solar_sea: do you want GNOME or KDE? |
| 23:45.28 | lunitik | rutski: he wants the line 'direct rendering' to be returned... |
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| 23:45.36 | cusco | yes.. righ tok |
| 23:45.42 | solar_sea | I suppose that i'll need both environments or atleast their libs |
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| 23:45.53 | rutski | rutski@toshiba:~/prg/gl$ glxinfo | grep dri |
| 23:45.53 | rutski | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 23:45.53 | rutski | rutski@toshiba:~/prg/gl$ |
| 23:46.04 | dvs | !tell solar_sea -about install kde |
| 23:46.12 | valdyn | solar_sea: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome kde |
| 23:46.14 | dvs | let's start with the better one! |
| 23:46.15 | rutski | gah, bad paste; sorry. |
| 23:46.24 | rutski | http://rafb.net/p/pwvp7S45.html |
| 23:46.28 | lunitik | rutski: try using 'ati' or 'radeon'... if neither work, come back |
| 23:46.36 | rutski | lunitik: yea, trying now |
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| 23:47.09 | torrrrr | how can it be that I have only 300MB used memory if the virtual memory in top is much grater? |
| 23:47.10 | kiah | hi guys! I have an OS called Dream Linux that uses Debian package manager. I am used to gentoo so this is very different to me. |
| 23:47.16 | solar_sea | couldn't find package x-windows-system-core |
| 23:47.26 | bushblows | Ronin, the ISO's name is debian-31r5-1386-netinst.iso |
| 23:47.29 | kiah | but there is a slight problem I am having.. |
| 23:47.30 | dvs | solar_sea: "window" |
| 23:47.33 | dvs | not windows |
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| 23:47.39 | krazykit | kiah: it's not debian, so it's not supported here |
| 23:47.39 | kiah | when I use synaptic, I can't connect to any repos. |
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| 23:47.51 | kiah | krazykit: yes but it is about debian repos. |
| 23:47.58 | solar_sea | okey, download at the moment |
| 23:48.04 | solar_sea | downloading* |
| 23:48.12 | kiah | I can connect to the dream linux ones, but not debian. |
| 23:48.13 | lunitik | torrrrr: because some memory can be swapped out easily if required, but stays in memory for convenience |
| 23:48.19 | kiah | basically what is says is: |
| 23:48.26 | valdyn | torrrrr: virt memory is not necessarily backed by real memory |
| 23:48.31 | Ronin | kiah: but not debian, look in #dreamlinux |
| 23:48.36 | krazykit | kiah: still not debian's problem. we don't know what's different about their apt. |
| 23:48.49 | valdyn | torrrrr: can be swap or not backed by any real memory at al |
| 23:48.50 | valdyn | torrrrr: can be swap or not backed by any real memory at all |
| 23:48.52 | kiah | W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 23:49.11 | kiah | oh. so you can't help? |
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| 23:49.12 | lunitik | kiah: ugh... /topic |
| 23:49.13 | kiah | :( |
| 23:49.15 | pyrohotdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.19 | pyrohotdog | whhops. haha. |
| 23:49.28 | Ronin | kiah: cant really as you dont run debian |
| 23:49.29 | kiah | alright sorry. |
| 23:49.47 | kiah | I was told to ask you guys, that is all :P |
| 23:49.51 | Ronin | they must have thier own support system kiah |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 23:50.13 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 23:50.26 | torrrrr | valdyn, what do you mean? virt memory is a fiction? |
| 23:50.28 | kiah | yeah.. I can't reply to topics or make topics on the forum and noone even idles their irc channel. GREAT support :( |
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| 23:50.35 | kiah | I feel like going back to gentoo. |
| 23:50.36 | valdyn | torrrrr: did i say that? |
| 23:50.40 | Ronin | kiah: install debian :) |
| 23:50.40 | kiah | thanks anyway. |
| 23:50.54 | diskus | kiah: what's so good in that dream linux that you have to use it? |
| 23:50.57 | kiah | install debian? well maybe.. but then I'd have to downoad the cd. |
| 23:50.57 | valdyn | torrrrr: you can google 'copy on write' and/or read about the mmap system call |
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| 23:51.12 | diskus | kiah: do the net install |
| 23:51.15 | Ronin | kiah: so? one little mini cd is all thats needed if your on broadband |
| 23:51.19 | rahul | HEAD IN THE SKY |
| 23:51.21 | rahul | ON MY KNEES |
| 23:51.37 | kiah | diskus: well it is quick to set up (don't care too much for my test box anyway), fairly light (xfce, my box is only 733mhz) and it supports everything out of the box. |
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| 23:51.46 | Ronin | sounds like debian |
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| 23:51.52 | lamer008 | good day guys, is there any way to install debian without burning any cd out ? Im booted up on knoppix live cd |
| 23:51.55 | torrrrr | valdyn, from what I've learned virt memory is real memory. Its only a system of not keeping all memory in RAM, but also in swap |
| 23:52.12 | phreqmod | lamer008, debootstrap could do the trick... |
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| 23:52.14 | valdyn | torrrrr: that's wrong in this context |
| 23:52.20 | kiah | maybe I should look into xubuntu then but I never liked ubuntu much and ubuntu doesn't support my wifi card. |
| 23:52.27 | kiah | but then I guess madwifi isn't hard to get running. |
| 23:52.29 | rahul | She's so heavy I can't breathe |
| 23:52.36 | rahul | oh that girl is crushing |
| 23:52.37 | Ronin | ya thats just making us want to help you kiah :) |
| 23:52.39 | lamer008 | phreqmod, so nothing like stage3 for gentoo ? |
| 23:52.47 | kiah | no netinstall is EVIL. |
| 23:52.58 | kiah | :P |
| 23:52.59 | phreqmod | THat assumes that I have a good graps of what is a stage3 in Gentto :) |
| 23:53.05 | phreqmod | er, grasp. |
| 23:53.11 | cusco | netinstall is cool! |
| 23:53.17 | lamer008 | tar.gz / |
| 23:53.17 | phreqmod | And Gentoo, bloody fingers |
| 23:53.23 | phreqmod | Ahh |
| 23:53.25 | kiah | gentoo stage3 install is the best way to install an OS if you have a lot of time :) |
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| 23:53.37 | cusco | lol |
| 23:53.39 | lamer008 | lets say I have time :) |
| 23:53.43 | diskus | gentoo is cool if you have lots of time |
| 23:53.58 | phreqmod | lamer008, well, debootstrap will fetch the packages from the net, but if you have the necessary debs localy it will use them. |
| 23:54.00 | kiah | lol nah not really, post configuration gentoo is quite simple. |
| 23:54.00 | rahul | !gentoo |
| 23:54.01 | dpkg | hmm... gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 23:54.12 | lamer008 | I run gentoo but for my boss I want to install some binary distro so I chose debian, I think its way better than FC |
| 23:54.13 | rahul | !gentoosmite diskus |
| 23:54.16 | phreqmod | lamer008, there isn not Debian tar.gz of a system that I know of. |
| 23:54.23 | kiah | gentoobies! I never knew that :P |
| 23:54.23 | torrrrr | valdyn, so what is this virt? |
| 23:54.40 | diskus | rahul: yep, that's why I dumped this gentoo thing a long time ago :P |
| 23:55.08 | kiah | maybe I WILL get debian :) |
| 23:55.27 | rahul | SHE SAID SHE'S LONELY TRYING TO FIND THE LOVE WE HAD |
| 23:55.30 | kiah | but for now I should probably attempt to get this rubbish dreamlinux working. |
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| 23:55.56 | valdyn | torrrrr: its meaningless without you knowing the code of the program ( or at least alot about its workings ) |
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| 23:56.16 | lamer008 | so I have to go through netinstall and boot up from cd or can I just mount it in chroot as iso ? |
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| 23:56.25 | cusco | no |
| 23:56.30 | cusco | I tried that.. couldn't |
| 23:56.34 | valdyn | torrrrr: it can be backed by mmaped files on your disk, that's totally obfuscating any general meaning of virt |
| 23:56.36 | lamer008 | :(( |
| 23:56.41 | diskus | lamer008: is it a problem to boot from cd? |
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| 23:56.56 | canute | Hi there, im trying to automaticly mount an sshfs. I have got it working however, my problem is that I have to type in the password every single time and its getting pretty anoying. I've tried multiple tutorials on the net (which basicly just says to create a key pair, transfer one and rename it authorized_keys). Any tips on what might be wrong? |
| 23:56.56 | cusco | in my case I didn't have any cd's to burn lol |
| 23:57.06 | *** part/#debian kiah (n=kiah@c211-30-82-242.blktn4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:57.21 | lamer008 | diskus, well would have to burn it out first and I dont have any blank cd right now in work ( vineyard ) |
| 23:57.48 | cusco | canute: a passwordless key.. what is wrong with it? |
| 23:58.02 | torrrrr | valdyn, ah |
| 23:58.08 | canute | It still ask me for the regular password |
| 23:58.16 | space_ninja | maybe it's working |
| 23:58.21 | space_ninja | soun |
| 23:58.22 | space_ninja | d |
| 23:58.24 | cusco | I dunno about sshfs, but on ssh the server has a authorized_keys file, and the client has a id_rsa file |
| 23:58.36 | diskus | lamer008: that's why you should use cd-rw disks only :P |
| 23:58.37 | torrrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.49 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 23:58.49 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 23:59.03 | canute | cusco: yep, i've set it up like that. however it still asks me for the password |
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| 23:59.11 | lamer008 | diskus, Im on the vineyard and boss is keen to get linux on his office box |
| 23:59.17 | cusco | canute: you should use a exact copy of the same file, so do not transfer it trough ftp |
| 23:59.25 | cusco | use scp instead |
| 23:59.27 | valdyn | torrrrr: if you system swaps noticable during normal operation, you could gain by adding ram |
| 23:59.33 | canute | I am using scp :( |
| 23:59.36 | cusco | scp source destnation |
| 23:59.39 | cusco | :( |
| 23:59.46 | cusco | file permissions to wide? |
