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| 00:00.04 | sea_monkees | evenin' all.. I am brand spankin new to linux and I'm having an issue with my install. I ran the install and chose to install base packages which included the desktop environment, but no graphical login, just boots to the command line login. I installed the AMD64 Sarge release FYI. I'm also having trouble locating the install manual for that particular release. |
| 00:00.11 | phreqmod | Unless it's in LISP and I'm not aware... |
| 00:00.17 | mango | phreqmod: do you mean dpkg remove... |
| 00:00.30 | maddash | !maddash++ |
| 00:00.36 | phreqmod | mango, no, I mean that dpkg in this channel is a bot |
| 00:00.50 | streuner | that doesn't work so, maddash |
| 00:00.50 | mango | phreqmod: thanks |
| 00:01.01 | phreqmod | np |
| 00:01.08 | streuner | maddash: you cannot ++ your karma yourself |
| 00:01.15 | maddash | sea_monkees: what exactly do you want? |
| 00:01.23 | maddash | streuner: then do it for me |
| 00:01.23 | Knight_Lord | I have a cluster that uses rocks and so it contains a head node with the users passwords in text files. |
| 00:01.28 | Knight_Lord | This servers gets the passwords by doing ypcat -k |
| 00:01.32 | Knight_Lord | I'm planning on moving to LDAP |
| 00:01.34 | phreqmod | sea_monkees, what desktop do you use? |
| 00:01.37 | Knight_Lord | How would I go to achieve the same funcionality using ldap? |
| 00:01.42 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to get a dump of the users and passwords in passwd form from an LDAP server (using admin mode)? |
| 00:01.45 | sea_monkees | how do i get the desktop envrionment to load, get a graphical login |
| 00:01.57 | phreqmod | sea_monkees, GNOME, KDE, another wm? |
| 00:01.59 | streuner | maddash: i would surely, but you give someone karma if s(he) deserve it by good actions... |
| 00:02.01 | Knight_Lord | sea_monkees install a login manager |
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| 00:02.13 | Knight_Lord | sea_monkees like gdm, kdm, xdm, wdm... |
| 00:02.16 | sea_monkees | i'm not sure what default the installer chooses |
| 00:02.17 | maddash | sea_monkees: you'll need a display manager. try `sudo aptitude install xdm` |
| 00:02.22 | sea_monkees | kde i assume |
| 00:02.37 | sea_monkees | ah |
| 00:02.37 | maddash | streuner: i feel so neglected. |
| 00:02.43 | phreqmod | sea_monkees, see Knight_Lord above,all fo them are login managers, what changes is the look of them |
| 00:03.10 | sea_monkees | ok thanks guys, i'll give that a shot |
| 00:03.12 | phreqmod | sea_monkees, gdm more GNOMish, kdm more KDeish, wdm more GNUstepish, xdm the vanilla flavour |
| 00:04.48 | maddash | xdm is also the least bloated... |
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| 00:04.49 | space_ninja | Ok, I have now installed the base system and now I want x and fluxbox. But I can't find x.org.. |
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| 00:04.50 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, the posixAccount contains the hash, you would have to see the format of it and see if it can be used.... never done that myself... |
| 00:04.50 | Knight_Lord | space_ninja apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 00:05.04 | maddash | space_ninja: xserver-xorg. |
| 00:05.11 | space_ninja | but isn't that the old xfree86 version? |
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| 00:05.13 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod I can try to hash them in the correct format |
| 00:05.17 | phreqmod | in userPassword IIRC |
| 00:05.32 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod but then i would still need to write the script to parse them into passwd form |
| 00:05.33 | maddash | are iptables necessary if I use sshd? |
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| 00:05.42 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod I was wondering if someone had written that |
| 00:05.49 | karsten | maddash: Necessary for what? |
| 00:05.51 | streuner | maddash: no |
| 00:06.00 | Knight_Lord | maddash iptables are never necessary |
| 00:06.32 | karsten | Knight_Lord: Next thing I'm expecting to hear from you is "friends don't let friends drink iptables" |
| 00:06.41 | Knight_Lord | karsten :-) |
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| 00:07.12 | Azar | mango you cannot downgrade to sarge. If you want back to sarge you have to reinstall sarge |
| 00:07.26 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, ahh I see... I'm not aware of any tool that does that, but it seems common enough to exist... |
| 00:07.28 | Knight_Lord | karsten iptables are usefull to block ports, NAT stuff and manage the network connections |
| 00:07.37 | maddash | karsten: security. enhanced security, maybe? there've been over 3000 attempts to brute force sshd over the past few days, even after I changed the listening port in sshd_config. |
| 00:07.41 | bzed | mango: and you don't want to downgrade ;) |
| 00:07.53 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod that would be my guess also. An ypcat replacement for LDAP |
| 00:07.54 | bzed | maddash: apt-cache show fail2ban |
| 00:08.07 | bzed | maddash: also look into the hash_limit module of iptables |
| 00:09.00 | Knight_Lord | maddash i wonder how they expect to bruteforce your shd |
| 00:09.00 | Azar | maddash: you talk about dictionary attacks? |
| 00:09.00 | mango | Azar: realy |
| 00:09.00 | karsten | maddash: Brute attempts are a concern if you've got weak passwords. Run john on your /etc/shadow file regularly. Nuke users with weak passwords, bump up the /etc/pam.d/ minimums to 10 charaters. |
| 00:09.03 | justin | maddash: are you sure you changed the port? what did you change it to? |
| 00:09.07 | Azar | mango: yes, you can only upgrade a Debian version, there is no downgrade |
| 00:09.08 | bzed | Knight_Lord: slapcat is what you're looking for, for example |
| 00:09.09 | Knight_Lord | karsten that's a bit exagerated |
| 00:09.11 | karsten | maddash: If you know there's places you'll never ssh in from, you can deny these using iptables or ssh's own configs, IIRC. |
| 00:09.22 | Knight_Lord | bzed thanks a lot, i'll take a look |
| 00:09.25 | karsten | Knight_Lord: ? |
| 00:09.26 | maddash | Azar: seems like it. failed usernames include "games," "root," "default," etc. |
| 00:09.30 | Azar | maddash: I use DenyHosts |
| 00:09.47 | karsten | maddash: Note that bruting ssh with default timeouts takes quite a while. |
| 00:09.54 | bzed | Knight_Lord: there's another tools, just forgot it's name |
| 00:09.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What've you got that set to? |
| 00:09.58 | Knight_Lord | karsten 10 characters and banning users doesn't really work in the real world |
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| 00:10.15 | justin | Knight_Lord: sure it does |
| 00:10.16 | Knight_Lord | bzed thank i'll look into |
| 00:10.17 | bzed | Knight_Lord: slapcat should only be used on a stopped server as far as I remember |
| 00:10.18 | Azar | maddash: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 00:10.23 | dondelelcaro | karsten: just hte defaults, actually. |
| 00:10.31 | Knight_Lord | bzed ah, that's a bit of a problem |
| 00:10.37 | Azar | fail2ban might work too, I tried it at the wrong time though |
| 00:10.40 | maddash | !john |
| 00:10.42 | karsten | Knight_Lord: Depends on the configuration / situation. If you've got a small box and small user community, which I suspect here, you've got leeway. |
| 00:10.46 | bzed | Knight_Lord: have a look at the ldap-utils package |
| 00:10.47 | mango | bzed: ok , the problem is that I am using debian on power book....the cdrom does not work. ...is there anyway I can install sarge from within etch currently running |
| 00:10.57 | karsten | Knight_Lord: I'll agree that many work environments are a different ball of worms. |
| 00:11.01 | bzed | mango: why install sarge if you ahve etch now? |
| 00:11.18 | Azar | bzed: he needs his cdrom working |
| 00:11.26 | dondelelcaro | mango: yes, you can do so using a chroot |
| 00:11.28 | karsten | maddash: I'm also a big fan of pwgen / gpw as password generators. |
| 00:11.31 | Knight_Lord | bzed and seems like sladcat dumps into LDIF, which means i'm gonna have a well spent night writting a perl script |
| 00:11.32 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, the default is DES... MD5 and SHA are available at least, there's a config option to specify which one crypt should use... depending on the native format that the OS uses you could ldapserach them and do a script to sync the passwd... assuming you don't find a tool already available that does this |
| 00:11.38 | bzed | mango: there's absolutely no reason to do this, especialyl not on a powerbook, as fas as I remember does the old sarge kernel even make more problems |
| 00:11.38 | Azar | oh |
| 00:11.41 | karsten | maddash: eg: aiKai3Jah9 loPhaeWah3 Eenoeje8oj Oomah0aeph Aigh5ahghi epahque0aZ joquieNai9 |
| 00:11.42 | dondelelcaro | mango: but is there any reason why you're going to go from etch to sarge? |
| 00:11.51 | maddash | karsten: how do you remember that? |
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| 00:11.59 | karsten | maddash: ... as a set of 10-char passwords just generated. They're vaguely memorable. |
| 00:12.01 | Azar | mango: why you want to remove Etch? what you do not like? |
| 00:12.04 | karsten | maddash: Pretty well, actually. |
| 00:12.10 | bzed | mango: so what you really want to figure out is the problem why you cdrom does not work |
| 00:12.16 | karsten | maddash: A keyring and a PDA help too. |
| 00:12.21 | bzed | mango: going back to an even older system is not the way to go |
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| 00:13.14 | Azar | honorable mango, can you tell us why? |
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| 00:13.27 | mango | I am trying to follow a tutorial about squid I found on how toforge...I have tried to install a piece of software that is mention in it called ebox but I get error messages |
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| 00:13.49 | Azar | awww thats not a serious reason |
| 00:13.54 | mango | I though if I have sarge, then it should work fine |
| 00:14.02 | maddash | karsten: pda? |
| 00:14.07 | karsten | !PDA |
| 00:14.07 | dpkg | [pda] (Personal Digital Assistant) PDAs are basically beefed-up organizers. They have small LCD screens, some form of pen or keyboard input, and software for organization, OCR, and contact management. Some have even more features, such as Web browsing or Internet e-mail. The best ones allow independent developers to write new applications that can be uploaded to the PDA.. Public Display of Affection |
| 00:14.07 | Azar | if etch can't , sarge can't either |
| 00:14.14 | bzed | mango: lol, definitely not |
| 00:14.18 | maddash | karsten: handheld, I know, but how do you interface it with your computer? |
| 00:14.30 | bzed | mango: you'd replace a new enging by a used one becose the new one leaks oil |
| 00:14.38 | bzed | ... |
| 00:14.40 | karsten | maddash: You don't. |
| 00:14.48 | bzed | mango: http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/apple/powerbook.en.php read the keyboard part |
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| 00:15.03 | Azar | mango: trying to "download" and use packages not in the Debian system might not work... you can search for same or similar package on Debian repository |
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| 00:15.18 | concept10 | any one know italian? If so, what is Salva and Chiudi ? Im thinking salva is save |
| 00:15.25 | karsten | maddash: It's a standalone app. It's encrypted, remembers your passwords, by account. You enter a password to view them. |
| 00:15.30 | ttyS1 | how can I list all my active/open ports ? |
| 00:15.37 | bzed | mango: and probably read the rest of the howto, too. |
| 00:15.47 | Azar | mango: let's see what "piece of software" is your heart wishing? |
| 00:15.51 | karsten | ttyS1: netstat -plv |
| 00:15.55 | bzed | ttyS1: man netstat, man lsof |
| 00:16.15 | mango | bzed: thanks guys....I do not know what we would do with out you....thanks every one once again |
| 00:16.21 | Xenguy | ttyS1: lsof |grep LISTEN <- one way |
| 00:16.30 | bzed | Xenguy: lsof -i ? |
| 00:16.41 | maddash | Xenguy: sudo? |
| 00:16.41 | bzed | mango: np :) |
| 00:16.56 | Xenguy | bzed: dunno |
| 00:17.00 | Xenguy | maddash: I use root |
| 00:17.07 | karsten | maddash: http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:17.19 | bzed | Xenguy: also lsof doesn;t output LISTEN |
| 00:17.22 | phreqmod | "netstat -antp" is also a good way. |
| 00:17.31 | bzed | Xenguy: err, strike that, I'm blinfd |
| 00:17.35 | Xenguy | bzed: sure is does |
| 00:17.37 | ttyS1 | thanks |
| 00:17.44 | bzed | but it's lsof -i ;) |
| 00:18.00 | Xenguy | ttyS1: also this is useful I find: lsof |grep ESTAB |
| 00:18.05 | maddash | karsten: ooh, pretty. |
| 00:18.10 | Xenguy | bzed: tx, I'll check that out |
| 00:18.40 | bzed | Xenguy: it'll save you a grep ;) |
| 00:18.42 | Xenguy | ttyS1: shows 'ESTABLISHED' connections (netstat is also amazing tool) |
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| 00:18.49 | Xenguy | bzed: OK |
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| 00:19.18 | bzed | Knight_Lord: well, ldif is the format you usualyl get from ldap |
| 00:19.19 | ttyS1 | Xenguy, great :) |
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| 00:19.33 | bzed | Knight_Lord: what would you prefer? |
| 00:19.41 | bzed | Knight_Lord: or what do you need? |
| 00:19.46 | hatter | etch - udev - each time i put a symbolic link /dev/tape it is removed on reboot, how do i make this permanent with udev ? |
| 00:19.59 | dondelelcaro | hatter: you create a rule to make the symlink |
| 00:20.15 | Xenguy | bzed: nice. Looks like '-i' shows both LISTEN and ESTAB |
| 00:20.18 | dondelelcaro | !udev rules |
| 00:20.18 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 00:20.19 | bzed | hatter: grep for SYMLINK in /etc/udev to find examples :) |
| 00:20.33 | hatter | dondelelcaro, bzed : thx |
| 00:20.34 | Knight_Lord | bzed I need ypcat format |
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| 00:21.00 | Knight_Lord | bzed I found out a website saying to use getent. I didn't know one could use getent with ldap |
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| 00:21.29 | bzed | Knight_Lord: O_o uhm... what do you wanna do with the stuff in ypcat format? |
| 00:22.03 | Knight_Lord | bzed i wanna dump her in a local files so that it can be distributed to a ROCKS cluster using the distribution method that ROCKS uses |
| 00:22.29 | simonrvn | Knight_Lord: yes you can... uses whatever is in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 00:22.51 | Knight_Lord | simonrvn I didn't know it was a possible operation for normal users to getenv passwd for example |
| 00:22.55 | Knight_Lord | getent |
| 00:22.57 | bzed | Knight_Lord: https://wiki.rocksclusters.org/wiki/index.php/User:Mhallock@uiuc.edu |
| 00:23.18 | simonrvn | passwd isn't that sensitive, shadow is |
| 00:23.22 | Knight_Lord | so they can still bruteforce passwords? |
| 00:23.30 | Knight_Lord | Ok shadow then |
| 00:24.06 | bzed | Knight_Lord: wait, you want to use john in a cluster to crack passwords? |
| 00:24.25 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, getent passwd yes, getent shadow no... |
| 00:24.43 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, since normal users can always cat /etc/passwd. |
| 00:24.44 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod I see, then the getent option is useless |
| 00:25.02 | Knight_Lord | bzed problem is I'm not really the one administering the cluster |
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| 00:25.05 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, if you'r a normal user and want to get everyone else's password, yes... |
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| 00:25.27 | Knight_Lord | bzed but it's a possible solution |
| 00:25.39 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod can root do getent shadow? |
| 00:25.56 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, yes |
| 00:26.01 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod even if shadow is in an ldap? |
| 00:26.07 | bzed | Knight_Lord: you really wanna use ldap directly and get rid of yp |
| 00:26.07 | Knight_Lord | Ok then that's no problem |
| 00:26.18 | Knight_Lord | bzed that's what I'm trying to do |
| 00:26.25 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, to work in LDAP there must be a setting somewhere that says to use a biond DN that is an admin |
| 00:26.30 | bzed | Knight_Lord: look at the link i've posted up there |
| 00:26.36 | space_ninja | how do I turn of pc speaker? |
| 00:26.42 | Knight_Lord | bzed using ldap directly will require making the other admin changing his machines |
| 00:26.56 | Knight_Lord | bzed that would be the proper solution yes, but has higher inertia |
| 00:27.01 | bzed | Knight_Lord: well, do you have one cluster or not? |
| 00:27.17 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, or the acl in the LDAP server permiting root to have full read rights |
| 00:27.18 | Knight_Lord | bzed I'm not the one administrating it |
| 00:27.30 | bzed | Knight_Lord: it's less hassle on the long run |
| 00:27.44 | Knight_Lord | bzed true, I just have to convince him of that :-) |
| 00:28.05 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, with nscd the speed is not bad... |
| 00:28.26 | Knight_Lord | phreqmod ok I got the idea, I found the setting |
| 00:28.47 | Knight_Lord | bzed phreqmod Thanks for all the help, I have 2 possible solutions, i'll try to negotiate the best one |
| 00:28.58 | bzed | Knight_Lord: especialyl if you're scared somebody could hack into your network - ldap can use certificates and passwords, to get NIS data I need to put myself into the network and grab them |
| 00:29.38 | Knight_Lord | bzed i'm using SSL yes |
| 00:30.01 | Knight_Lord | bzed on the testing server |
| 00:30.09 | phreqmod | Knight_Lord, yw. BTW, in the long run bzed suggestion is IMO the best... easier to directly use LDAP. I understand that the decision has many variables though. |
| 00:30.36 | Knight_Lord | Actually the only reason to change to LDAP for now was the secutiry |
| 00:30.51 | Knight_Lord | And possible the change to Kerberos and afs for the fileservers |
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| 00:31.26 | Knight_Lord | But I think we'll keep the xfs in the end |
| 00:31.43 | bzed | Knight_Lord: if you're scared of openldap have a look at the fedora directory server, very sexy thing. it'll take some time until a debian package is finished, though. ajmitch is working on it, and I'll ahve to look into it soon, too |
| 00:31.51 | space_ninja | how do I change to testing from stable? |
| 00:32.02 | bzed | space_ninja: you reinstall |
| 00:32.05 | abrotman | chagne your sources to etch .. and wait |
| 00:32.20 | abrotman | space_ninja: when etch is released .. you'll have stable .. voila! |
| 00:32.40 | Knight_Lord | bzed I have to confess I'm a bit scared of fedora things. I got the Oreilly LDAP book and this channel I think i'll be ok :-) |
| 00:32.40 | bzed | space_ninja: or do what abrotman suggested. :) stay with etch, makes no sense to go back to sarge |
| 00:33.26 | abrotman | there is #ldap |
| 00:33.30 | space_ninja | but is sarge stable? |
| 00:33.33 | bzed | Knight_Lord: I'm scare of fedora, too, but the FDS is the old netscape directory server, and it's really sexy. it comes with a nice console and has such things like 4way multi-master replication |
| 00:33.42 | bzed | !tell space_ninja about stable |
| 00:33.45 | bzed | !tell space_ninja about testing |
| 00:33.45 | Victor``` | hmm. |
| 00:33.48 | Victor``` | sudo apt-get install typespeed |
| 00:33.49 | abrotman | space_ninja: right .. but not for long .. soon sarge will be oldsta ble |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | oldstable |
| 00:34.04 | phreqmod | Sun DS is also nice, but proprietary. Free to download and use though |
| 00:34.07 | bzed | space_ninja: etch will become stable in -42 bugs ;) |
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| 00:34.39 | phreqmod | I think it's also derived from Netscape LDAP, via iPlanet. |
| 00:34.40 | bzed | phreqmod: free to download? oh, didn;t know that. I'll have to have a look. |
| 00:34.55 | space_ninja | ok |
| 00:34.56 | ZeeO | hey guys trying to install php4-common Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-19) but 6:4.4.4-8 is to be installed |
| 00:35.24 | phreqmod | bzed, indeed, mostif not all of Sun's offerings are free to download and use in production with no limitations. No support unless you pay for that though. |
| 00:35.30 | bzed | space_ninja: just change from testing to etch in /etc/apt/sources.list and you'll have stable soon :) |
| 00:35.48 | bzed | phreqmod: yeah, although that was different some years ago |
| 00:35.52 | phreqmod | (e.g. the compiler stuff used to be restricted, now it's free to download) |
| 00:35.57 | phreqmod | exactly bzed, it was |
| 00:36.01 | space_ninja | but I don't want stable, I want testing :) |
| 00:36.14 | bzed | phreqmod: and I'm not sure if I don;t prefer FDS where I can poke the developers in #fedora-ds |
| 00:36.19 | mindframe_ | ive got ssh version version 4.3p2-8 pinned to -10 but apt-get upgrade says its still going to be upgraded. will it actually upgrade? |
| 00:36.30 | bzed | space_ninja: well, why did you ask to chang from testing to sarge then? |
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| 00:36.52 | space_ninja | I have stable now. |
| 00:36.57 | bzed | ahh |
| 00:37.03 | bzed | !tell space_ninja about sarge->etch |
| 00:37.49 | space_ninja | thanks |
| 00:38.09 | phreqmod | bzed, that's why I added the "proprietary" bit... it's drop and work, not much in terms of fiddling with it. Since Knight_Lord want's to use AFS latter on anything based in OpenLDAP is probably better. |
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| 00:40.08 | mindframe_ | is there a way to remove a package from dselect without it deleting files? |
| 00:40.13 | kexman | hi guys |
| 00:40.18 | kexman | can anyone help me out with a DNS problem ? |
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| 00:40.27 | kexman | i cant resolve names to ip |
| 00:40.32 | kexman | and i have tryed everything |
| 00:40.51 | karsten | kexman: Got net? |
| 00:41.16 | kexman | yes |
| 00:41.18 | kexman | i am behind a lan |
| 00:41.24 | kexman | i ment router |
| 00:41.27 | mindframe_ | whats resolve.conf look like? |
| 00:41.31 | mindframe_ | *resolv.conf |
| 00:41.31 | kexman | and one machine can do and the other cant |
| 00:41.32 | space_ninja | stable testing unstable? right? |
| 00:41.32 | karsten | kexman: Basically: got net? got route? got nameserver? Check with: ifconfig, ping gateway, route -n, cat /etc/resolv.conf, ping <nameserver> |
| 00:41.49 | karsten | kexman: Sounds like a possible NAT problem. |
| 00:41.58 | kexman | it was working |
| 00:42.06 | kexman | the one machine does the other does not :) |
| 00:42.15 | kexman | same setup |
| 00:42.28 | kexman | mindframe, im well over that part :) sorry |
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| 00:42.32 | kexman | its something else |
| 00:42.45 | kexman | either is the system somehow (the machine that doest do DNS) or the router |
| 00:43.15 | justin | kexman: you sure are evasive |
| 00:43.21 | kexman | ? |
| 00:43.24 | kexman | what do you mean ? |
| 00:43.25 | mindframe_ | ive installed openssh 4.5p1 from source. if i remove the debian 4.3p2 package will it delete the files that ive installed or is does it checksum? |
| 00:43.38 | kexman | i have tryed a lot of things ! i am working on this for well over 2 hours or more |
| 00:43.56 | justin | kexman: answer the questions karsten asked |
| 00:44.38 | kexman | got net got router got nameserver (working) pinging gateway works pinging anything works router -n looks good pinging nameserver work |
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| 00:45.24 | justin | kexman: what is the nameserver? |
| 00:45.47 | kexman | 193.231.237.2 193.231.189.9 |
| 00:45.53 | kexman | you just dont believe me do you ? :) |
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| 00:46.59 | phreqmod | kexman, nsswitch.conf ? |
| 00:46.59 | justin | kexman: what happens if you run host www.google.com 193.231.237.2 |
| 00:47.00 | kexman | justin, i have two machines and the other is doing fine behind the router with the same settings |
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| 00:47.07 | justin | phreqmod: probably |
| 00:47.20 | kexman | HELL |
| 00:47.25 | kexman | i dont know what i have done |
| 00:47.29 | kexman | i have been working on the router |
| 00:47.31 | krazykit | mindframe_: it deletes the files that were originally installed. if you overwrote debian package's files, they'll be deleted |
| 00:47.33 | kexman | setting somethings |
| 00:47.35 | kexman | its working ! |
| 00:47.38 | kexman | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa |
| 00:48.15 | bzed | phreqmod: we want to get rid of openldap, not sure if we're goign to use sun ldap or fds though. I've a tst install of fds and it looks very sexy |
| 00:48.27 | mindframe_ | krazykit, why wont pinning work in this case? ive pinned those packages to -10 and it still says its going to upgrade when i apt-get upgrade |
| 00:48.37 | justin | isn't fds the same as the sun ldap.. didn't both come from netscape? |
| 00:48.45 | kexman | uff |
| 00:48.46 | krazykit | mindframe_: oh, you built a debian package from source? |
| 00:48.47 | kexman | its not working |
| 00:48.49 | mindframe_ | no |
| 00:48.52 | kexman | i have set the machine's ip to DMZ |
| 00:48.56 | kexman | and that made it work |
| 00:49.08 | mindframe_ | i pinned 4.3p2-* to -10 and ive installed 4.5p1 from source |
| 00:49.18 | bzed | justin: that's at least what phreqmod said. |
| 00:49.27 | kexman | hehh |
| 00:49.28 | maddash | since I'm the only person to use this machine (locally and remotely), i'm trying to "nuke" all other users besides root and myself. first, I `getent passwd`, which outputs a whole bunch of other users that I've never seen before, like "daemon," "news," "irc," "sshd," and so on. should this be happening? where have they come from? |
| 00:49.33 | kexman | hell i dont know what i have done but its working |
| 00:49.35 | mindframe_ | i just installed the 4.3p2 package for the init script really |
| 00:49.36 | phreqmod | justin, yes, I think both have the same srouce... I think that the Sun version diverged a little with the years though... |
| 00:49.40 | kexman | must have been a router problem |
| 00:49.40 | krazykit | mindframe_: stuff you install from source goes to /usr/local unless you've specified otherwise |
| 00:49.42 | BlockMan | hi... if i use sarge, the repository could change, update? or only security packages? |
| 00:49.47 | mindframe_ | i did :( |
| 00:49.56 | phreqmod | Myabe I'm wrong and they are almost the same though, would have to check. |
| 00:49.59 | bzed | phreqmod: I think sun has some ldap thingy written in java, (too)!? |
| 00:50.27 | krazykit | mindframe_: uh... honestly, i'd copy the init script somewhere, remove the files you installed from source from /usr and reinstall them to /usr/local |
| 00:50.33 | krazykit | cleaner in the long-run, really |
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| 00:50.47 | phreqmod | maddash, most of them are system users, normal users generally begin with uid 10000 |
| 00:50.51 | mindframe_ | true |
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| 00:51.11 | phreqmod | bzed, Sun DS is in Java. |
| 00:51.26 | phreqmod | bzed, the console part at least. |
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| 00:52.08 | phreqmod | bzed, the admin server is a separate process, and then a slapd for each instance. the console is in Java and most of the stuff is done with a Java interface. |
| 00:52.33 | maddash | phreqmod: where have they come from? are they safe to delete? |
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| 00:52.49 | mindframe_ | why hasnt anyone packaged openssh-chroot yet |
| 00:52.50 | phreqmod | maddash, no they aren't safe to delete |
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| 00:53.11 | mindframe_ | im temted to do it unless there are security reasons |
| 00:53.21 | phreqmod | maddash, they are users needed for some services. E.g., install apache and a www-data user is created. |
| 00:53.38 | maddash | phreqmod: why? |
| 00:53.48 | phreqmod | maddash, stick to removing any above 10000 user who isn't you... that would be my suggestion |
| 00:54.24 | phreqmod | maddash, because not everything should be owned by root, and some stuff has a different uid/gid |
| 00:54.42 | bzed | phreqmod: sounds liek fds |
| 00:54.53 | bzed | phreqmod: do you klnwo if anybody packaged it ? |
| 00:55.18 | nooblam | Does vsftpd allow resuming of uploads? |
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| 00:56.26 | phreqmod | bzed, packaged Sun DS or FDS? |
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| 00:57.12 | bzed | phreqmod: sun ds, the fds package is still beeing worked on |
| 00:57.56 | bad_cables | i just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and i still have only 800x600 |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | fds is the old netscape ds |
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| 00:58.29 | bad_cables | how do you change your screen size in Debian? |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 00:58.45 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:58.52 | phreqmod | bzed, no... I'm not sure if it can be packaged... perhaps one of those wrapper debs, but downloading it require a Sun login so I don0t think it's that simple |
| 00:59.17 | bzed | phreqmod: yeah. probably alien just does the job. I'll have a look |
| 00:59.50 | phreqmod | bzed, just searched for shots of FDS, it looks exactly like Sun DS, with different logos |
| 01:00.52 | mindframe_ | krazykit, looks like pinning should have been 1001 instead of -10. i had it backwards. |
| 01:01.45 | bad_cables | Package `xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available... i used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 earlier and it asked me all the setup questions, still i have only 800x600 |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | bad_cables: which driver did you choose ? |
| 01:03.01 | bzed | phreqmod: heh ok :) well, I think I'll definitely have to look into the sds then :) |
| 01:03.01 | bad_cables | trident |
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| 01:03.12 | abrotman | and which bit depth ? |
| 01:03.22 | bad_cables | 24? |
| 01:03.23 | abrotman | try only choosing one resolution |
| 01:03.32 | bzed | bad_cables: are you sure that your card and monitor are able to do a higher resolution? |
| 01:03.33 | bad_cables | do i need to restart C? |
| 01:03.34 | tuvwx | what is the easiest way to setup an external monitor for a laptop? |
| 01:03.49 | bzed | tuvwx: find somebody who carries it for you? |
| 01:03.55 | bad_cables | yeah i am sure because i was just using another distro at 1200x1024 |
| 01:04.15 | tuvwx | bzed, hmm.. still not working! |
| 01:04.32 | bad_cables | tuvwxz, are you using a mac? |
| 01:04.52 | bzed | tuvwx: sounds liek we'd need some more info, like which notebook.. and so on :) |
| 01:05.01 | tuvwx | bad_cables, nop. |
| 01:05.04 | tuvwx | i toshiba a70 |
| 01:05.10 | tuvwx | with ati 9100IGP |
| 01:05.35 | phreqmod | Amiga-heads: just found the Windowlab wm... looks crisp, and has the Amiga focus policy. Just sharing :) |
| 01:05.51 | bzed | tuvwx: http://www.computx.us/gentoo-A70.html#Xwindows |
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| 01:06.31 | voxvirus | hi |
| 01:06.39 | bad_cables | when you reconfigure xfree86, does it automatically have the resolutions installed, or is there something else that i have to do.. say like restarting something? |
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| 01:06.41 | tuvwx | bzed, i ran into that one. it requires starting X with the -layout option. i was hoping for a more straightforward way |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | bad_cables: only choose one resolution |
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| 01:07.30 | CAiRO | hmm, may debian server has lots of incoming traffic on some days on a certain time and i don't know where it comes from and for what it is used.. what can i do to find it out?/ |
| 01:07.40 | bzed | tuvwx: sorry, no clue. probably somebody else can help |
| 01:07.56 | tuvwx | bzed, thanks anyway |
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| 01:08.09 | bzed | CAiRO: use tcpdump and have a look |
| 01:08.44 | CAiRO | well, it only happens sometimes, i usually see it in the traffic bill of my provider |
| 01:08.45 | BlockMan | somebody use auto-apt? |
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| 01:10.25 | phreqmod | CAiRO, ntop is also nice, perhaps simpler to get data than raw tcpdump. |
| 01:10.33 | abrotman | CAiRO: about a bazillion tools |
| 01:10.38 | phreqmod | (simpler to get a months data divided by days, etc) |
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| 01:11.19 | Azar | that's odd, this morning aptitude was out of the bugs list, now I see it back? |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | maybe it's a new bug ? |
| 01:12.18 | tuvwx | what does it mean when xrandr returns: "Can't open display" ? |
| 01:12.25 | Azar | no, is the same: language |
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| 01:14.16 | abrotman | Azar: the bug was filed |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | !date |
| 01:14.21 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.03.13 1:14:21 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | like .. four hours ago or something |
| 01:14.51 | bad_cables | is the resoulution supposed to change automatically with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 01:15.05 | maddash | what does UTC have to do with "*NIX"? |
| 01:15.28 | Eclipser | who knows |
| 01:15.41 | streuner | !tell vserver-debian31 about root |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | maddash: everything ? |
| 01:16.15 | bad_cables | isnt UTC universal time ? |
| 01:16.27 | Azar | abrotman: yes and the way I see it Daniel fixed it on a higher version, that means it will not to on Etch? (the new version with the fixed bug)? |
| 01:16.32 | streuner | vserver-debian31: well, you don't have voice in #debian either as IRC'ing as root |
| 01:16.41 | maddash | !DATE |
| 01:16.41 | dpkg | somebody said date was at 2007.03.13 1:15:44 UTC |
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| 01:16.42 | abrotman | Azar: ask him .. not me |
| 01:17.04 | JordiGH | Boxes in Emacs under X. Font problems. I'm pretty sure that I'm simply missing a package... |
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| 01:17.24 | Azar | gah this means aptitude in etch gonna stay with a bug |
| 01:17.33 | JordiGH | What bug? |
| 01:17.39 | Azar | language |
| 01:17.47 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:17.52 | Amarande | anyone know what happened regarding Etch? |
| 01:17.58 | phreqmod | maddash, Unix has historicaly used UTC as the hardware clock and then present the date usinf offsets. Many other OS's used other approaches |
| 01:18.04 | Azar | the aptitude version in etch has a bug and the recent version of it will not make it to etch |
| 01:18.14 | Amarande | I'm looking at the news on d.o and it says etch was supposed to come out in December |
| 01:18.22 | Amarande | it's March now ^_^ |
| 01:18.45 | Amarande | what's the bug, Azar? |
| 01:18.49 | Amarande | maybe that's why it's being delayed |
| 01:18.52 | bad_cables | they cant figure out how to change the resolution of their screens from 800x600 |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | maddash: why the hell would you do that? |
| 01:19.21 | manience | Do anyone know the reason, that the mp3 playback with mplayer will get very small interrupts sometimes? |
| 01:19.44 | bad_cables | mp3's take alot of CPU and you have to buffer it into something that can be played... |
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| 01:20.08 | Azar | oh my bad... indeed it was closed yesterday. |
| 01:20.20 | Amarande | so, anyone know why etch was delayed? |
| 01:20.22 | Azar | was looking at old bug count |
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| 01:20.28 | JordiGH | Amarande: wir\ |
| 01:20.31 | JordiGH | !wir |
| 01:20.31 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 01:20.33 | manience | bad_cables: so i had to set u bigger buffer in mplayer? |
| 01:20.48 | bad_cables | that might work, also if there is a latency setting in the app |
| 01:20.49 | JordiGH | Amarande: The dunc-tank fiasco may have caused a bit of a delay. |
| 01:20.58 | bad_cables | im not sure because i dont use linux for sound right now |
| 01:21.02 | Amarande | Jordi: yeah, there was an announcement on w.d.o that it would be out in December |
| 01:21.04 | bad_cables | when i do i use alot of latency |
| 01:21.06 | Amarande | and I was wondering what happened |
| 01:21.18 | manience | bad_cables: what is your suggestion to resolve the problem? |
| 01:21.24 | Amarande | especially since I might be switching to Linux Real Soon Now |
| 01:21.26 | maddash | !bug count |
| 01:21.26 | dpkg | bug count can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=count |
| 01:21.41 | JordiGH | wdo? |
| 01:21.41 | bad_cables | the app might have a setting for this... like a buffer or a latency setting |
| 01:21.43 | JordiGH | !wdo |
| 01:21.45 | JordiGH | !wtf wdo |
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| 01:21.46 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 01:21.47 | Amarande | Jordi: www.debian.org |
| 01:21.57 | maddash | !rc bug count |
| 01:21.58 | Amarande | 1) I'm not getting Vista, so I'm going back to Debain sometime by the time XP stops being supported |
| 01:22.02 | manience | bad_cables: thx a lot |
| 01:22.10 | Amarande | 2) something is misbehaving that may have me wiping the system soon anyway |
| 01:22.26 | JordiGH | Amarande: I just installed the etch snapshot from March 5. It still has about 85 RC bugs, but I find it quite usable nonetheless. |
| 01:22.37 | bad_cables | manience, you might also want to check the sound card configuration, i am not sure in linux but it might be possible to increase the buffers for the sound... adding latency but it will add stability |
| 01:23.01 | Amarande | Jordi, will that smoothly switch to etch once it's out, or have me using the next testing release after that then unless I mess with sources.list? |
| 01:23.06 | Amarande | speaking of which |
| 01:23.09 | Amarande | what's the name for the next testing? :) |
| 01:23.50 | JordiGH | Amarande: I understand it's a smoother dist-upgrade once you wait for etch to actually release. |
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| 01:24.13 | maddash | how many bugs are there until etch is released? |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | maddash: 40 or so |
| 01:24.50 | JordiGH | abrotman: So the bugscan reporter is wrong? |
| 01:24.54 | JordiGH | Or outdated? |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | from when ? |
| 01:25.05 | JordiGH | from Friday or so.. It was at 87. |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | that's four days! |
| 01:25.12 | JordiGH | Unless there was a flurry of fixes over the weekend. |
| 01:25.38 | JordiGH | It had been inching about five bugs down per week since December! |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | so what |
| 01:25.44 | maddash | abrotman: 40? where are you getting this? |
| 01:25.47 | JordiGH | Some bug-squashing party that must have been. :-) |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | it just takes a concerted effort to close quite a few |
| 01:26.18 | maddash | !rc bugs |
| 01:26.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc bugs is at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 01:26.30 | maddash | that page gives 511 bugs |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | which isn't correct either |
| 01:26.48 | maddash | erm, 65* |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | you have to know how to read it |
| 01:26.54 | abrotman | and that page is out of ate |
| 01:26.55 | abrotman | date |
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| 01:27.19 | abrotman | maddash: maybe before you fill up the bot .. you should make sure the info is correct first |
| 01:27.35 | maddash | abrotman: it's *.debian.org. why wouldn't it be correct? |
| 01:27.56 | Amarande | it presumably -was- correct at some point, maddash |
| 01:28.04 | Amarande | but now it's old. :) |
| 01:28.04 | JordiGH | Amarande: desktop pimping: http://platinum.linux.org/~jordi/piccies/desktop.png |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | it was .. hours ago |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | :date |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | !date |
| 01:28.15 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.03.13 1:28:15 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 01:28.20 | abrotman | it's now 1.5 hours old |
| 01:28.23 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 01:28.31 | Amarande | Jordi, Firefox can't find the server |
| 01:28.32 | JordiGH | http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/desktop.png |
| 01:28.58 | anapivirtua_ | hi all |
| 01:29.02 | maddash | abrotman: i hope you're joking. unless you're implying that the number of rc bugs can go down by that much in 1.5 hrs. |
| 01:29.02 | Amarande | Nice. :) |
| 01:29.13 | Amarande | Anyway, do we know yet what the name of the version after etch is slated to be? |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | maddash: more if you help |
| 01:29.33 | JordiGH | lenny |
| 01:29.40 | JordiGH | Amarande: lenny the binoculars. |
| 01:29.49 | Amarande | ahh, I was trying to remember a Lenny from Toy Story heh |
| 01:29.50 | JordiGH | Amarande: This was told around December, irrc. |
| 01:30.00 | maddash | abrotman: if it goes down that quickly, then etch would be released a whole lot sooner |
| 01:30.04 | Amarande | How long do you think before we have to move on to Toy Story 2 characters? :) |
| 01:30.04 | JordiGH | Lenny from lenses, I guess. |
| 01:30.13 | JordiGH | Amarande: We still have a ways to go. |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | maddash: perhaps ... |
| 01:31.34 | abrotman | maddash: it'll be done when they're done with it .. |
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| 01:32.48 | JordiGH | So, no clue on the font problems in Emacs? Should I just be randomly installing fonts? |
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| 01:34.29 | JordiGH | btw, the blue Iceweasel logo looks so much better than the green one. :-) |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | emacs has fonts ? |
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| 01:34.30 | phreqmod | JordiGH, missed that, what font problems do you have with Emacs? |
| 01:34.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: Right now it doesn't. It's just boxes. :-) |
| 01:34.30 | phreqmod | abrotman, Emacs has everything, ehe |
| 01:34.32 | JordiGH | phreqmod: I can't see anything. It's all boxes! |
| 01:34.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: UTF problems ? |
| 01:34.45 | phreqmod | JordiGH, uhhh... |
| 01:34.48 | JordiGH | abrotman: Except they're not called fonts. They're "faces" in emacspeak. |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | weirdos |
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| 01:35.25 | phreqmod | JordiGH, that's strange... |
| 01:35.29 | JordiGH | abrotman: Not cutting... wiping! Not pasting... yanking! Not windows... buffers! |
| 01:35.32 | JordiGH | etc, etc... |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:35.55 | JordiGH | phreqmod: Actually, I've had this happen before. I remember getting some font package and it fixed it. |
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| 01:36.05 | phreqmod | JordiGH, (set-default-font "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--12-110-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1") |
| 01:36.16 | ioerror | is it possible to preseed partition layouts with etch? |
| 01:36.20 | ioerror | Specifically to use lvm? |
| 01:36.20 | phreqmod | You could try something like that in .emacs just to see how it goes... |
| 01:36.20 | maddash | is that Lisp? |
| 01:36.33 | JordiGH | abrotman: I don't think it's a UTF problem. Emacswiki suggests something about a systemwide default font symlink that may sometimes be missing from Debian, but doesn't give more details. |
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| 01:36.43 | phreqmod | maddash, yes |
| 01:36.45 | JordiGH | abrotman: Emacs has ye olden names for everything. |
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| 01:37.03 | JordiGH | phreqmod: Let me try that... |
| 01:37.26 | phreqmod | JordiGH, (set-default-font "fixed") is probably safer |
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| 01:38.04 | phreqmod | Unless youre missing that , which could explain your problem |
| 01:38.12 | JordiGH | phreqmod: Worked! Except it's a tiny font... |
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| 01:38.42 | JordiGH | Should I be messing around with monitor geometry in xorg.conf now, or should I use a different font? |
| 01:39.01 | phreqmod | JordiGH, ehe |
| 01:39.21 | phreqmod | JordiGH, Shift+Left click in the buffer |
| 01:39.29 | phreqmod | A minimal font menu should appear |
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| 01:39.41 | robin_sz | JordiGH, euww, did someone specify a font size in pixels again? |
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| 01:40.04 | JordiGH | phreqmod: Hm, all options in that contex menu give "font no found". |
| 01:40.07 | phreqmod | JordiGH, that, or M-x set-default-font RET , and then do tab completion to find one that you like. |
| 01:40.18 | phreqmod | Right... |
| 01:40.22 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Not sure. If anyone did, it was either me or a DD, since this is a clean install from yesterday. |
| 01:41.03 | robin_sz | JordiGH, fonts heights specified in pixels are one of my pet hates |
| 01:41.30 | phreqmod | JordiGH, you are probably missing 100dpi fonts or something |
| 01:41.41 | JordiGH | phreqmod: I think so too. |
| 01:41.50 | phreqmod | JordiGH, do you have xfonts-base ? |
| 01:42.19 | JordiGH | I do. How about I try xfonts-scalable? |
| 01:42.29 | JordiGH | (which I don't have |
| 01:42.31 | JordiGH | ) |
| 01:42.48 | phreqmod | JordiGH, don't think so, most of the fonts in emacs are fixed (only sane option for programming) |
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| 01:43.12 | JordiGH | phreqmod: You'd think... then TC++PL has code with variable-length fonts. :-) |
| 01:43.13 | phreqmod | Try the 100 / 75 dpi ones |
| 01:43.26 | phreqmod | They are part of the "basic" setup IIRC |
| 01:43.51 | JordiGH | Aha, both missing. |
| 01:44.04 | JordiGH | I guess I found my culprit lessee.. |
| 01:44.10 | phreqmod | JordiGH, the spacing with variable width fonts in Emacs and terms is werid as hell |
| 01:44.39 | JordiGH | phreqmod: The same could be said about C++. :-) |
| 01:44.44 | phreqmod | Ahaha |
| 01:44.56 | maddash | [sigh] ubuntu |
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| 01:45.36 | anapivirtua_ | Night all |
| 01:45.59 | JordiGH | !bye anapivirtua_ |
| 01:45.59 | dpkg | Cya, anapivirtua_ |
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| 01:47.35 | JordiGH | Hmm... still didn't work. Installation script said something about not finding directories... |
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| 01:49.26 | phreqmod | Thta's weird |
| 01:49.33 | phreqmod | It's all managed by defoma I think |
| 01:49.57 | phreqmod | Or maybe not |
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| 01:50.06 | phreqmod | X fonts are always a mystery |
| 01:50.12 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:51.08 | mikecc | sup guys i just netinst'ed the latest 3.1 but i want to upgrade to the testing phase so i can get the most uptodate packages which sources should i put in my sources.list? |
| 01:51.28 | mikecc | sorry if this question is asked all the time this is my first deb install and i dont have anything installed right now to go look |
| 01:51.32 | nvz | mikecc: change sarge or stable in your sources to read etch |
| 01:51.39 | asg | mikecc: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 01:51.41 | phreqmod | !stable->testing |
| 01:51.41 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 01:51.45 | nvz | mikecc: then apt-get update |
| 01:51.51 | mikecc | ahhh thanks a lot guys |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | nvz: aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:52.12 | nvz | abrotman: maybe |
| 01:52.15 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:52.19 | nvz | abrotman: I still dont like aptitude |
| 01:52.24 | Azar | the release notes for dist-upgrade recommend the installation and use of aptitude |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | fine .. use apt-get |
| 01:52.25 | phreqmod | I could never get used to aptitude |
| 01:52.40 | phreqmod | My problem certainly, many peaople swear by it |
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| 01:52.54 | nvz | phreqmod: its sweet and works good on the command line in place of apt-get or apt-cache commands |
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| 01:52.59 | phreqmod | dselect rocks! :) |
| 01:53.13 | nvz | dselect is scary |
| 01:53.16 | nvz | takes forever |
| 01:53.22 | mikecc | what si the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 01:53.23 | phreqmod | nvz, ahh, ok, didn't knew it also worked for one liners |
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| 01:53.53 | abrotman | mikecc: much better dependency problem resolution |
| 01:53.55 | mikecc | after i run dist-upgrade can i run base-install again ? i cancelled the first one when i realized it would install all not up to date stuff |
| 01:53.59 | mikecc | abrotman: ahh i see |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | automatic dep removal |
| 01:54.08 | nvz | abrotman: yeah but it takes longer because of that |
| 01:54.09 | phreqmod | nvz, true. I sometimes fire it up for a walk down nostalgia lane. |
| 01:54.13 | asg | installs a bunch of crap you may need but probably won't |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | nvz: it sure does |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | nvz: for a newb .. it's probably better |
| 01:54.29 | Azar | mikecc: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html << prepare |
| 01:54.46 | mikecc | thanks Azar ill install links and check it out |
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| 01:55.24 | Azar | asg: it also uninstalls bunch of packages that might sit forgotten in the system |
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| 01:55.57 | asg | Azar: yes. Periodically reviewing dpkg -l and removing bits you don't need also does the trick. |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | deboprhan |
| 01:56.13 | abrotman | but fix my spelling :) |
| 01:56.13 | dondelelcaro | aptitude! |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 01:56.28 | asg | it's a good tool in certain circumstances |
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| 01:56.39 | dondelelcaro | aptitude is a good tool in almost all circumstances |
| 01:56.40 | asg | in some, it's more cumbersome |
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| 01:56.56 | Azar | " Upgrade tests have shown that etch's version of aptitude is better at solving the complex dependencies during an upgrade than either apt-get or sarge's aptitude. " |
| 01:57.15 | DocPlatypus | right, aptitude has gotten much better |
| 01:57.18 | GeorgeS069 | hey guys I'm trying to get 3d working in Xorg.I'm using etch and I did all the m-a a-i fglrx and all that stuff for an ATI video card and it almost works(looks fine in Xorg.log but,all I get is a blamk screen when X starts up...the Xorg.log is here http://www.pastebin.ca/392769 |
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| 01:57.52 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: what's your card ? |
| 01:58.04 | GeorgeS069 | ATI Radeon Xpress 200M |
| 01:58.24 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: it's on my laptop |
| 01:58.30 | maddash | deborphan only touches lib*, I think |
| 01:58.31 | Azar | asg most new users will completely ignore dpkg and manual cleanups |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | do you even need fglrx for that ? |
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| 01:59.04 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: I thought I did from what I have read on-line |
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| 01:59.12 | abrotman | i din't hink you did |
| 01:59.13 | asg | Azar: Yes, I know. |
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| 01:59.20 | abrotman | maddash: wrong .. again |
| 01:59.34 | maddash | abrotman: ? |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | try reading the man page |
| 01:59.47 | maddash | abrotman: have you read th man page? |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | apparently you haven't |
| 02:00.05 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.05 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | read it again |
| 02:00.15 | abrotman | the whole thing |
| 02:00.28 | maddash | abrotman: I'm assuming normal use of deborphan |
| 02:00.30 | simonrvn | "the default" |
| 02:00.45 | abrotman | it doesn't "only touch lib*" |
| 02:00.52 | simonrvn | maddash> deborphan only touches lib*, I think |
| 02:01.19 | mikecc | hm so far things are going smoothly |
| 02:01.22 | mikecc | thganks guys :) |
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| 02:03.07 | maddash | GeorgeS069: what's your xorg.conf look like? |
| 02:03.08 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: when I set Xorg to use the standard ati driver all I get are errors when I try to test using things like fgl_glxgears and fglrxinfo says I am only using mesaGL |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: the radeon driver didn't work ? |
| 02:03.43 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: I tried Radeon and ATI as the Xorg driver |
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| 02:04.45 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:04.54 | exobyte | I plugged in an sata hdd, but it didn't show up in dmesg or /dev. I installed hotplug and tried again, but again, no luck |
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| 02:05.19 | bzed | GeorgeS069: did you compile and isntall the fglz...whatever module? |
| 02:05.22 | GeorgeS069 | here is the xorg.conf that gave me that Xorg.log http://www.pastebin.ca/392787 |
| 02:05.48 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: yes...and did the dpkg -i fglrx when I was done and made sure it loads |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | exobyte: which FS ? |
| 02:08.59 | bzed | GeorgeS069: as a nvidia user my knowledge stops here |
| 02:09.11 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: OK...thanks |
| 02:09.11 | bzed | sorry. :\ but there're more people around here |
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| 02:09.48 | bzed | abrotman: btw, I've just filled dpkg with fglrx one-liner. hope it's correct, though. |
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| 02:10.06 | GeorgeS069 | I wouldn't even bother you guys but,I've been working on this for days |
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| 02:10.11 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:10.11 | dpkg | i guess fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for sarge/stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | bzed: ^^ :) |
| 02:10.46 | bzed | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:10.46 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 02:10.56 | abrotman | i see |
| 02:11.28 | exobyte | abrotman: it doesn't have an fs, yet |
| 02:11.38 | abrotman | exobyte: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 02:11.43 | phreqmod | echo nvidia? |
| 02:11.44 | bzed | abrotman: I've added a hint to <fglrx>, too |
| 02:11.51 | phreqmod | Isn't fglrx ATI? |
| 02:11.53 | bzed | phreqmod: oh :D |
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| 02:12.24 | bzed | !tell phreqmod about fglrx one-liner |
| 02:12.25 | abrotman | bzed: probably the whole fglrx factoid needs to be redone |
| 02:12.26 | bzed | better ? |
| 02:12.37 | exobyte | abrotman: you saw that it's sata, right |
| 02:12.41 | phreqmod | Ehehe, yes. |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | exobyte: erm .. external ... usb .. mind is slipping :) |
| 02:13.09 | bzed | abrotman: yeah :\ I'm staying with nvidia, though, they just work |
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| 02:13.22 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:13.34 | exobyte | abrotman: lol- I'm not paying for support; I can't complain |
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| 02:13.50 | abrotman | exobyte: nothing in dmesg ? |
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| 02:15.03 | exobyte | the last thing that came up with that hotplug is running |
| 02:15.11 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:15.11 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. |
| 02:15.18 | exobyte | abrotman: since then, I unplugged and replugged the drive |
| 02:15.44 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:15.45 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | better ? |
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| 02:17.23 | exobyte | abrotman: if that was to me, no. dmesg hasn't added anything |
| 02:17.37 | exobyte | abrotman: I thought sata was supposed tosupport hotswapping |
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| 02:18.25 | Azar | hi sid you gonna get busy soon |
| 02:19.21 | sid | Azar: yep |
| 02:19.30 | sid | I have to copy myself for damn lenny |
| 02:19.32 | abrotman | exobyte: i'm not sure all controllers do |
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| 02:19.49 | exobyte | abrotman: googling a little, I'm not sure, either |
| 02:19.58 | sid | Azar: And there is a crapload of experimental code people are going to shove into my branch. |
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| 02:20.01 | sid | ie gnome 2.16 |
| 02:20.02 | Azar | :) hey! nothing wrong with lenny, has a cool name too |
| 02:20.04 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 02:20.04 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 02:20.38 | sid | although gnome 2.18 will release in like 2 days or something |
| 02:20.54 | Azar | psshhht don't complain, shine we starting having some gentoo users aiming at using and abusin you |
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| 02:22.02 | Azar | sid you will be ornated with the new gnome? |
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| 02:22.24 | sid | Azar: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future "Last week, the Gentoo project entered the lowest point of its 7-year old existence. The single most telling statement attesting to this fact is this brief excerpt from the current issue of Gentoo Weekly News: The following developers recently joined the Gentoo project: * Daniel Robbins (drobbins) AMD64 team ; The following developers recently left the Gentoo project: * Daniel Robbins (drobbins)" |
| 02:22.49 | Azar | sid yep is all over the news... scroll down to see the compairson |
| 02:22.53 | sid | Azar: Gentoo seems to be at an alltime low in it's history. kind of sad. :( Although we bash it in here, it's the only other major community run effort. |
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| 02:23.12 | sid | Azar: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 02:23.17 | Azar | sure |
| 02:23.49 | sid | Anyone else who wants to talk about gentoo, or other offtopic stuff, /join #debian-offtopic |
| 02:23.52 | sid | !ot |
| 02:23.53 | dpkg | ot is, like, Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
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| 02:54.45 | Azar | everyone, see? |
| 02:54.56 | Azar | up ^^^ up there |
| 02:55.09 | sid | heh |
| 02:55.19 | sid | Good thing we can see all the people asking questions. |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | !annoy sid |
| 02:55.36 | Azar | :) |
| 02:55.37 | abrotman | !irritate sid |
| 02:55.37 | dpkg | sid: HELP ME!!! how can I make my lindows werkz ????? |
| 02:56.00 | sid | !mhallsmite abrotman |
| 02:56.09 | sid | !confuse abrotman |
| 02:56.09 | dpkg | Yes, how is my gouda today, abrotman? trousers of the monarchy of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 02:56.10 | Azar | I know what happened: everyone got devoiced. |
| 02:56.25 | Azar | but us the lucky ones |
| 02:57.04 | mikecc | hey guys i just upgraded to etch from a fresh sarge install..how do i access that thing that came up asking if i want to use a desktop environment, etc, or do i have to install things manually? |
| 02:57.16 | Nemoder | mikecc: tasksell |
| 02:57.20 | mikecc | ahhh thanks man |
| 02:57.41 | Nemoder | er tasksel |
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| 02:59.02 | GeorgeS069 | so no ideas how I can fix my xorg problem? |
| 02:59.26 | sid | GeorgeS069: What is your question? |
| 03:00.21 | GeorgeS069 | sid: I have the fglrx modules compiled andinstalled and I think I have xorg.conf setup properly and I don't get any errors in Xorg.log but,when X starts up all I get is a blank screen |
| 03:00.33 | mikecc | oh god ati |
| 03:00.43 | sid | GeorgeS069: What model card? |
| 03:00.53 | GeorgeS069 | ATI Radeon Xpress 200M |
| 03:01.05 | GeorgeS069 | It's a laptop |
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| 03:01.58 | phorce1 | gee, I installed a redeon 9800 pro AIW last night. Used the debian packages. Works fine (except I'm trying to figure out how to adjust gamma, it's a littlr dark) |
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| 03:02.04 | mikecc | when i do tasksel install desktop it says, aptitude failed (255) |
| 03:02.21 | GeorgeS069 | xorg.conf is here http://www.pastebin.ca/392787 and Xorg.log is here http://www.pastebin.ca/392769 |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | mikecc: what WM/DE do you want ? |
| 03:02.48 | mikecc | abrotman: umm i dont know im just trying to get things installed an i assume the desktop "task" has a bunch of utilities preselected |
| 03:02.53 | mikecc | abrotman: i guess blackbox |
| 03:03.04 | mikecc | you meant windowmanager by WM right? |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | mikecc: apt-get install xorg blackbox xdm |
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| 03:03.46 | phorce1 | mikecc: tasksel installs a full Gnome desktop. I've been removing bits and pieces by hand for weeks after using it. |
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| 03:04.43 | hatta | I always prefer to start with a minimal install and apt-get things as needed |
| 03:04.53 | hatta | easier than grabbing everything and removing cruft |
| 03:05.03 | phorce1 | hatta: I got in a hurry <sigh> |
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| 03:06.16 | mikecc | phorce1: haha then ill do what abortman said :) |
| 03:06.23 | mikecc | thanks abrotman |
| 03:06.27 | mikecc | thanks for the info phorce1 |
| 03:07.58 | manience | hi, is there a way to adjust the screen resolution in the normal console view, because the standard actually is 640-480 |
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| 03:08.17 | manience | *x |
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| 03:08.35 | abrotman | xrandr |
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| 03:08.47 | wols | manience: sure. use fb and give the kernel a parameter "vga=ask" |
| 03:09.26 | wols | there are all kinds of framebuffer things to use. apt-cache search for them |
| 03:10.08 | manience | wols: what do u mean with fb= |
| 03:10.09 | manience | ? |
| 03:10.28 | wols | framebuffer |
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| 03:10.41 | abrotman | manience: you mean change the console resolution or change the X resolution from the terminal ? |
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| 03:10.55 | gotaku | Is there a way to completely remove KDE from my system, including all the kde applications? |
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| 03:11.07 | manience | abrotman: is there another way like the x one? |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | like wols said |
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| 03:11.32 | manience | abrotman: i thought it would only working with x |
| 03:11.44 | wols | gotaku: remove kdelibs |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 03:11.58 | dpkg | from memory, remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 03:12.00 | wols | all kde programs depend on it. there might be a kde-commons, remove that too |
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| 03:12.18 | wols | so hated it has its own factoid? |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 03:12.28 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 03:13.22 | manience | wols: abrotman: ok, but where i have to write the vga=ask? could it be added to the grub menu? |
| 03:13.36 | wols | yes. kernel parameters in menu.lst |
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| 03:14.06 | manience | wols: thx, i'll give me a try |
| 03:16.11 | gotaku | Does anyone know why I can't get my gnome menu font size to change? The font preferences doing seem to do anything. |
| 03:16.57 | abrotman | there's a gnome font dialog |
| 03:17.16 | gotaku | Yes, and it doesn't do anything |
| 03:17.25 | gotaku | To the menu fonts anyway. |
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| 03:17.41 | kupesoft | Turbulence... |
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| 03:22.17 | niru | I want to add network monitor icon on the panel by default using gconftool-2 |
| 03:22.22 | niru | how to do that |
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| 03:23.34 | niru | hello Rusty1 |
| 03:23.36 | niru | I want to add network monitor icon on the panel by default using gconftool-2 |
| 03:23.37 | niru | hello Rusty1 |
| 03:23.40 | niru | how to do that |
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| 03:25.05 | gotaku | Why do some fonts change and some don't? The Nautilus, Gnome menu and the X-Chat menu bar don't respond to the gnome font dialog changes. |
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| 03:26.47 | Rusty1 | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/gconftool-2.1.html niru read that, otherwise i cant help |
| 03:27.11 | fooz | wow. evolution's exchange support works pretty well |
| 03:27.20 | fooz | too bad it's all gnomey |
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| 03:30.19 | tuv | is connecting a laptop to an lcd tv using vga connector any different from connecting to an external lcd monitor? |
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| 03:31.05 | Kevin` | tuv maybe lower quality (tvs don't have to display things as clearly) |
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| 03:31.32 | Kevin` | other then that, vga is vga |
| 03:32.09 | tuv | i'm trying to connect my laptop to an lcd tv using vga connector. i used mrgedfb options with MonitorLayout "LVDS,TMDS", but nothing happens on the tv and the laptop display is missed up |
| 03:33.00 | tuv | X log says: failed to detect secondary monitor ddc, default hsync and vrefresh used |
| 03:33.02 | wols | TV needs special frequencies to work usually |
| 03:33.11 | justin | not an lcd tv |
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| 03:33.45 | justin | tuv: did you try just using the normal X config and hitting fn-whatever to select the external display? |
| 03:33.59 | tuv | justin, i did |
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| 03:34.04 | tuv | justin, no luck there too |
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| 03:34.25 | tuv | and i can't find the hsync/vsync info in the tv's manual |
| 03:34.31 | justin | tuv: 60 should work |
| 03:34.49 | justin | you are probably having more of a problem with it being a laptop |
| 03:34.50 | tuv | justin, Option Hsync "60" ? |
| 03:35.12 | justin | yep |
| 03:35.36 | justin | X -configure doesn't work either? |
| 03:35.55 | wols | there is no X -configure in debian |
| 03:36.10 | justin | eh? |
| 03:36.18 | wols | !tell justin about drxx |
| 03:36.52 | justin | great, and what does that have to do with X -configure? |
| 03:37.06 | Guerin | justin: what does X -configure have to do with debian? |
| 03:37.07 | gh0zt | you tell me ;) |
| 03:37.12 | Guerin | it's deprecated, don't use it |
| 03:37.42 | justin | it still works in many cases, or at least gets helps you figure out what your config is missing |
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| 03:41.36 | trycyt | For developing Debian packages, is it better to have 'install' or 'cp' lines in the Makefile? |
| 03:41.52 | Guerin | trycyt: ask #debian-mentors irc.debian.org |
| 03:42.06 | trycyt | Okay. |
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| 03:45.34 | tuv | i used both HorizSync and VertRefresh lines in the Screen section, but they seem to get ignored. X log says CRT2 Monitor: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00. why is that? |
| 03:45.46 | kupesoft | h3xis: You linked me where I could get .deb packages for the ati drivers for stock kernels. Where was that again? |
| 03:45.56 | h3xis | let me check |
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| 03:46.31 | h3xis | kupesoft, http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin look at 4.1a |
| 03:46.45 | kingsley | tuv: Have you searched Google's indices for "Using default hsync range of"? |
| 03:46.45 | kupesoft | h3xis: Thank you, kindly |
| 03:46.55 | supervillain | hello, is there a way to check each .deb file locally from the internet? I want to check it's md5, and signature validity, if it's not tampered by someone else. |
| 03:47.14 | Nemoder | supervillain: apt-get install debsums |
| 03:47.14 | Guerin | supervillain: aptitude does this automatically. |
| 03:47.54 | supervillain | I want to check the deb file before I can install it. |
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| 03:47.59 | Guerin | supervillain: aptitude does this automatically. |
| 03:48.37 | Guerin | supervillain: in etch/sid, anyhow |
| 03:48.42 | Guerin | not in sarge, ttbomk |
| 03:49.18 | supervillain | because It's easy to create a patch of the files then dpkg-buildpackage to create a new deb, I'm making a distribution system for debian packages. |
| 03:50.06 | Nemoder | why not use apt? |
| 03:50.09 | supervillain | I want to check the repository for the particular .deb file I have locally |
| 03:50.13 | supervillain | how? |
| 03:50.37 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:50.59 | tuv | kingsley, unrelated stuff |
| 03:51.25 | supervillain | I mean, how do I check the md5 sums and signature of a certain deb package using apt? |
| 03:51.43 | Nemoder | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 03:52.07 | supervillain | I want to check the repository for the particular .deb file I have locally, before I can send them to other computers. |
| 03:52.47 | Nemoder | if you run your own repository and use apt to fetch from it then each system will check the md5 against the repository |
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| 03:53.15 | JB318 | Hi. I recently installed etch on my laptop. How do I get esound installed so that Amarok will work with it? |
| 03:53.58 | tuv | hmm.. just discovered Option "CRT2HSync" "string" |
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| 03:54.24 | Nemoder | JB318: I think amarok is KDE which probably uses arts instead of esound |
| 03:54.45 | JB318 | Nemoder: Well it's currently configured to use xine, according to the configuration GUI |
| 03:55.14 | Nemoder | I'm not familiar with the app but if it can do ALSA directly I'd go with that |
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| 03:55.54 | JB318 | Nemoder: It can't, it relies on an engine to do the actual playback. Xine is giving me problems, but on my Gentoo desktop switching to ESD fixed it. But I've got Debian on the lappy, and want to keep it that way... |
| 03:56.26 | supervillain | for example, I have /var/cache/apt/archives/lynx_2.8.5_i386.deb downloaded from debian repository, is there a way I can get the MD5 data of this file from the debian repository? |
| 03:56.47 | Nemoder | JB318: well you can apt-get install esound |
| 03:56.55 | Nemoder | but I'm not sure if that will conflict with arts |
| 03:57.12 | JB318 | Nemoder: That ran, successfully, but Amarok doesn't see it still. |
| 03:57.16 | JB318 | Hold on, I'll try rebooting. ^_^ |
| 03:57.30 | JB318 | Er, wait... |
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| 03:58.29 | JB318 | I forgot that on my desktop, I kept xine but used ESD as its output plugin... let me try that :) |
| 03:58.31 | tuv | how can i test whether a particular monitor supports ddc? |
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| 04:01.03 | Nemoder | supervillain: if you're determined to reinvent the wheel you can run apt-get install packagename --print-uris |
| 04:01.10 | Nemoder | and instead of installing it will print the md5 |
| 04:01.32 | JB318 | Do I have to start ESD at boot somehow? What's the Debian way to get stuff to run at boot? (I've been gone a while...) |
| 04:01.45 | Nemoder | JB318: /etc/init.d/esd start |
| 04:02.00 | Nemoder | JB318: if it's in there it should start on bootup automaticly |
| 04:02.23 | JB318 | Nemoder: File not found... do I need to install something other than "esound"? |
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| 04:02.34 | Nemoder | JB318: erm, maybe it's esound instead of esd |
| 04:02.35 | supervillain | Nemoder: where can I compare it's MD5? |
| 04:02.48 | JB318 | Same difference :( |
| 04:03.39 | Nemoder | JB318: /etc/init.d/e<tab> |
| 04:03.58 | JB318 | Well, "esd &" in my root shell fixed things up... now to get it to start for me automatically (though I can live with it this way if needed) |
| 04:04.09 | JB318 | Nemoder: Nothing named e* in that directory at all |
| 04:04.14 | Nemoder | oh odd |
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| 04:04.51 | Nemoder | well that's the startup folder, I suppose you could make a script there but i don't know what the official way is for esd to work |
| 04:05.43 | JB318 | Nor do I... It's been over 2 years since I've even used Debian on a regular basis, but wanted to get back to it for this project I'm working on... relearning stuff is a hassle. |
| 04:06.24 | Nwallins|home | how do I find out what service is listening on 113/tcp (auth) ? |
| 04:06.38 | Nemoder | supervillain: uh just run md5sum file.deb and compare the output to what --print-uris gave you |
| 04:07.07 | Nwallins|home | ok, netstat -p told me it's inetd |
| 04:07.39 | Nemoder | inetd or ident? |
| 04:08.18 | Nemoder | Nwallins|home: can browse your /etc/services file to see a lot of the default ports apps use |
| 04:09.29 | Nwallins|home | hm, any particular reason why dnsmasq pulls in inetd now? |
| 04:09.55 | supervillain | thanks! |
| 04:10.04 | Nwallins|home | i'd like to run dnsmasq standalone on 53 |
| 04:10.52 | supervillain | is it possible to copy the /var/cache/apt/archives directory to other computer so they would not download the updates again? |
| 04:11.37 | Nemoder | supervillain: yes but it's easier to run apt-proxy |
| 04:11.37 | tuv | alright.. at least MonitorLayout "NONE,TMDS" runs the tv alone, so now i know it *can* work |
| 04:11.48 | supervillain | thanks! it's really helpful! |
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| 04:12.18 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: dnsmasq pulls in netbase, which depends on inetd |
| 04:12.59 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: If you don't want inetd to do anything, you can comment out all the lines :) |
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| 04:14.32 | Nwallins|home | \amethyst: thanks, i got it figured out. i think it was portmap that was activating inetd |
| 04:14.49 | \amethyst | *twitch* |
| 04:15.21 | Nwallins|home | yeah, removed portmap, and after remove/install of dnsmasq, 113/tcp is no longer open :) |
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| 04:15.44 | \amethyst | fam depends on portmap :) |
| 04:15.56 | Nemoder | Nwallins|home: might be better to edit /etc/inetd.conf and comment out ident |
| 04:16.31 | Nemoder | I'm not sure what disabling ident breaks though |
| 04:16.31 | Nwallins|home | fam and ident ... i am not very familiar with these |
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| 04:16.56 | Nwallins|home | I try to disable everything, until something breaks |
| 04:17.11 | sid | How can I print everything with awk except $1 and $2? To JUST print $1 would be awk '{ pritn $1 }'; or to print all would be awk '{ pritn $0 }'; But how can I print all except $1 and $2? |
| 04:17.19 | Nemoder | that works as long as you remember how to re-enable it :) |
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| 04:17.45 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: netstat -atp | grep LISTEN is useful :) |
| 04:18.19 | Nwallins|home | ah, -atp |
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| 04:18.51 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: a=all useage, even unconnected t=TCP p=show processes |
| 04:19.12 | Nwallins|home | \amethyst: i counter with -ltp |
| 04:19.25 | Nwallins|home | ;) |
| 04:19.31 | Hachiko | hi, is there anyway to search what files are taking up space? 41943040 15286288 26656752 37% / |
| 04:19.39 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: yeah, probably better :) |
| 04:19.46 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: and then you don't have to grep |
| 04:19.47 | \amethyst | silly me |
| 04:19.54 | Nwallins|home | but, I wouldn't have considered it had you not suggested :) |
| 04:19.57 | \amethyst | Nwallins|home: though maybe just leave off the t |
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| 04:20.10 | Nemoder | I use netstat -tupan, easier to remember words :) |
| 04:20.49 | \amethyst | -nutpan what? |
| 04:20.52 | Nwallins|home | -lpt is like printer |
| 04:21.04 | Nemoder | that's too many n's! |
| 04:21.17 | xixor | hey everyone, is there something that must be done after installing ssh to allow non-local users to log in? |
| 04:21.37 | \amethyst | Nemoder: it's idempotent :) |
| 04:22.00 | Nwallins|home | \amethyst: heh |
| 04:22.14 | Nemoder | yes.. but.. that's a waste of a byte! |
| 04:22.27 | \amethyst | waste of ATP (the real kind) |
| 04:22.36 | \amethyst | to twitch that muscle fibre |
| 04:22.40 | Nwallins|home | xixor: sshd is the server... need it to allow clients to connect |
| 04:22.58 | xixor | Nwallins|home: I see an sshd running |
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| 04:23.13 | Nemoder | xixor: it should be open by default |
| 04:23.15 | Nwallins|home | xixor: should be good |
| 04:23.24 | xixor | does the openssh-server package need to be installed? |
| 04:23.26 | Hachiko | is it safe to delete everything in /var/log/ ? |
| 04:23.41 | Nwallins|home | xixor: there may be others that satisfy, but generally yes |
| 04:23.45 | xixor | Hm.. ok then, something must be wrong with my router then :) |
| 04:23.50 | \amethyst | Hachiko: define 'everything' and 'safe' |
| 04:23.53 | GhostlyDeath | How do I map network shares (Windows) to directories? |
| 04:23.58 | GhostlyDeath | pm |
| 04:24.09 | Nemoder | GhostInTheShell: smbmount |
| 04:24.12 | Nemoder | doh |
| 04:24.15 | Nemoder | GhostlyDeath: smbmount |
| 04:24.23 | Nemoder | too many ghosts tonight |
| 04:24.38 | Hachiko | \amethyst, erm some *.log files.. wtmp apache wu-ftpd *.err syslog etc.. |
| 04:25.03 | Nemoder | Hachiko: I wouldn't kill any directories, that could make some apps angry |
| 04:25.08 | \amethyst | Hachiko: wtmp and utmp you want |
| 04:25.50 | \amethyst | Hachiko: And for most of them, removing the files without restarting the daemon won't actually free up the space yet |
| 04:26.26 | Nemoder | I suppose you could run logrotate 20 times or so |
| 04:26.28 | GhostlyDeath | there a fstab method also? |
| 04:26.34 | Hachiko | \amethyst, are there any way or workarounds to find out which files are taking the biggest space? |
| 04:26.55 | \amethyst | Hachiko: on the whole system, or in a particular directory? |
| 04:27.30 | Hachiko | \amethyst, whole system.. "df" shows "/dev/vzfs 41943040 15282624 26660416 37% /" i am not sure where the 15gb is being used at.. |
| 04:27.40 | mikecc | does linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 have smp support? |
| 04:27.43 | mikecc | i have a pentium D |
| 04:27.56 | \amethyst | Hachiko: you can use du to find that out |
| 04:27.57 | thedonvaughn | mikecc: yup |
| 04:28.03 | mikecc | thanks |
| 04:28.07 | thedonvaughn | mikecc: i run it with a dual proc and it sees both processors. |
| 04:28.41 | mikecc | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 or should i use aptitude |
| 04:28.48 | Hachiko | \amethyst, ok i will try |
| 04:28.53 | thedonvaughn | same diff |
| 04:29.02 | \amethyst | Hachiko: du / > diskusage.txt |
| 04:29.07 | GhostlyDeath | How can I fstab Windows Shares? |
| 04:29.21 | mikecc | thanks |
| 04:29.30 | \amethyst | Hachiko: that will create a report of the amount of space used by every directory on the system |
| 04:29.36 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: same shares or just windows partitions? |
| 04:29.44 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: er Samba* |
| 04:30.03 | GhostlyDeath | Shared Folders |
| 04:30.26 | GhostlyDeath | If you were on windows you would Map \\computer\sharedfolder to X: or something |
| 04:30.30 | thedonvaughn | samba shared? what does a shared folder mean? |
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| 04:30.45 | GhostlyDeath | I want to map \\computer\sharedfolder to /shares/computer/sharedfolder |
| 04:30.46 | boobies4u | hi |
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| 04:30.59 | boobies4u | anyone know how i install my logitech 4000 webcam in windows vista? |
| 04:31.04 | Hachiko | \amethyst, do i need to show you that file? |
| 04:31.05 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: well how did you setup "computer" to export that directory? |
| 04:31.12 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: you need to setup samba or NFS or something |
| 04:31.14 | GhostlyDeath | which one? |
| 04:31.16 | ZeroMIPS | hello, how do I setup multiple IPs on on ethernet device on debian? |
| 04:31.24 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: the server, the one exporting the directory |
| 04:31.26 | Guerin | boobies4u: no, but i can tell you how to install your hand into the blender |
| 04:31.34 | boobies4u | thanks |
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| 04:31.40 | boobies4u | that was my trolling for today, have fun all |
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| 04:31.55 | Guerin | ah, how refreshing |
| 04:31.59 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good gnome based time application which show both time GMT and EST |
| 04:32.00 | GhostlyDeath | The computer that is sharing is using Window's File Sharing |
| 04:32.02 | Guerin | a troll who knows when his joke is old |
| 04:32.08 | Guerin | and who takes it in good humour |
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| 04:32.20 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: then you need to setup samba on your linux machine |
| 04:32.26 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: and you can mount those shares |
| 04:32.28 | Nemoder | GhostlyDeath: I think it's possible to use fstab for that |
| 04:32.40 | thedonvaughn | GhostlyDeath: once samba is setup you can have it auto in your /etc/fstab |
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| 04:33.02 | Sweetandy | If I wanted to make Debian my main computer, what size of hard drive am I looking at? (I'm keen on installing a lot of packages and holding music, etc.) |
| 04:33.06 | Nemoder | GhostlyDeath: a line like //server/share /mnt/tmp smbfs username=myname,password=mypass 0 0 |
| 04:34.11 | Nemoder | Sweetandy: I doubt you'ld ever need more than 15gig for the system itself |
| 04:34.38 | Nemoder | Sweetandy: then whatever space beyond that you'ld want for your home directory and media |
| 04:34.55 | thedonvaughn | 15 gigs even sounds way huge to me |
| 04:35.04 | thedonvaughn | for the system.. but that'd be a good estimate i suppose |
| 04:35.09 | thedonvaughn | to play safe |
| 04:35.12 | JB318 | Nemoder: Wanna help me with screensavers next? :) |
| 04:35.14 | Nemoder | well I'm getting close to 15gig myself but i have a ton of source packages |
| 04:35.22 | nite613_ | 10g plus storage is way more than enough. But if you're storing media, then buy based on Gb/$, nothing else really makes sense |
| 04:35.59 | Nemoder | JB318: just ask the channel |
| 04:36.09 | JB318 | Nemoder: nm, I remembered "apt-get install xscreensaver" |
| 04:36.18 | Guerin | 5G is enough |
| 04:36.21 | vn | I compiled a package in my debian but noticed it wasn't the latest version and now I want to upgrade...how do I do that? do I need to remove the files? or I simply recompile? I didn't do it thru apt-get |
| 04:36.21 | Guerin | 10G is plenty |
| 04:36.30 | Guerin | excluding space for media, natch |
| 04:36.45 | Nemoder | my server runs debian on less than 500meg |
| 04:36.47 | thedonvaughn | i run 3 9.1 SCSI disks, RAID 5 on my debian server... but again it's my dedi and i dont run X or anything like that |
| 04:36.53 | thedonvaughn | and i have plenty of space :) |
| 04:36.59 | sanjay | hi any one know of quicktime for java in debian? |
| 04:37.04 | mikecc | thedonvaughn: after i have installed the debian packages is there anything else i should do? it installed the new modutils |
| 04:37.12 | vn | 16Mb on my 386sx12 debian server |
| 04:37.15 | thedonvaughn | mikecc: don't think so |
| 04:37.22 | mikecc | thedonvaughn: thanks a ton man |
| 04:37.27 | nite613_ | sx12... oooh |
| 04:37.29 | thedonvaughn | mikecc: np |
| 04:37.31 | thedonvaughn | vn: nice :) |
| 04:37.36 | nite613_ | I can jog faster than 12Mhz |
| 04:37.37 | vn | thx :p |
| 04:37.40 | Nemoder | no math coprocessor, ouch |
| 04:37.41 | vn | good enough for a firewall |
| 04:37.45 | Sweetandy | What if I have a 10GB HD, and a 6.4 GB one too? Can I use them in conjunction? |
| 04:37.50 | nite613_ | a firewall server two machines |
| 04:37.55 | nite613_ | on a slow link |
| 04:38.00 | vn | jeh |
| 04:38.03 | thedonvaughn | vn: i just found an old 486 33 laptop, i think 100meg hdisk. was thinking about loading debian on it |
| 04:38.14 | vn | one lvl2 fw, one lvl3 |
| 04:38.34 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: of course... just about the partitions you create |
| 04:38.35 | Nemoder | Sweetandy: yeah that should work fine, just mount your homedir on a seperate drive |
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| 04:38.52 | exobyte | I plugged in a usb drive. dmesg says it's sdb, but sdb isn't /dev |
| 04:39.31 | Nemoder | what's lsusb say |
| 04:40.25 | exobyte | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 04:40.25 | exobyte | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 04:40.50 | Hachiko | 14G /var/log |
| 04:41.11 | Sweetandy | Is the Debian NetInstall CD enough? |
| 04:41.15 | Hachiko | anyone can give the goahead to delete without any problems? :D |
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| 04:41.23 | Nemoder | exobyte: if that's all it lists then it doesn't look like it detected it |
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| 04:41.36 | mindframe_ | anyone know of remote folder sync software that uses sftp? |
| 04:41.42 | Nemoder | Sweetandy: if the machine is networked, yes |
| 04:42.09 | Sweetandy | Nemoder: It couldn't find my tulip network card last time, but I think I'll figure it out. |
| 04:42.11 | Sweetandy | 8 D |
| 04:42.11 | JB318 | mindframe_: I think rsync uses ssh to login to the remote side if you don't have rsyncd set up |
| 04:42.16 | Sweetandy | Thanks guys, here I go! Goodbye, NetBSD! |
| 04:42.21 | JB318 | mindframe_: At least that's what I'm doing here |
| 04:42.49 | exobyte | Nemoder: then what's dmesg smoking |
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| 04:43.14 | \amethyst | Hachiko: well there you go |
| 04:43.28 | Nemoder | exobyte: oh.. not sure then :/ |
| 04:44.34 | Hachiko | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 4946526208 Mar 8 11:30 syslog <-- this file takes a big space.. any use on this syslog? |
| 04:45.54 | \amethyst | Hachiko: You can remove it then do killall -HUP syslog |
| 04:46.07 | \amethyst | Hachiko: you have to restart syslog to actually free up the space, though |
| 04:46.34 | \amethyst | Hachiko: however, you might want to save it and see exactly what all those log messages are about |
| 04:46.42 | Hachiko | \amethyst, okie |
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| 04:48.26 | \amethyst | Hachiko: the killall -HUP is to free up the space, that is |
| 04:48.26 | \amethyst | Hachiko: because the file won't actually be deleted until it's closed by syslog |
| 04:48.26 | Hachiko | syslog: no process killed ... but i have a syslogd running..if that's what you meant |
| 04:48.26 | \amethyst | that's it |
| 04:48.26 | Nemoder | Hachiko: btw, a good way to locate large files is: find -size +500M |
| 04:48.26 | \amethyst | here it's syslog-ng |
| 04:48.56 | Hachiko | ooh Nemoder, ok..noted.. |
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| 04:50.07 | Nemoder | odd that logrotate didn't fix that file, although I suppose if you run out of space completely it can't rotate to anything else |
| 04:50.27 | roe | is the amd64 kernel the correct one for a dual core opteron system? speaking about etch |
| 04:50.45 | Hachiko | ok..i got down my used space to 1gb...i hope 1gb is just the core files for debian |
| 04:50.55 | Hachiko | i mean 10gb |
| 04:51.08 | \amethyst | Nemoder: if it got that big within one day, it won't have rotated yet |
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| 04:51.26 | Nemoder | \amethyst: apache log i could imagine but syslog? that's a lot of errors or something |
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| 04:52.01 | \amethyst | Nemoder: probably a bunch of copies of one or two errors over and over again |
| 04:52.07 | \amethyst | hardware problems can do that sometimes |
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| 04:52.33 | Nemoder | roe: from what I understand if you want to run in 64bit mode then you have to install a different arch (which includes the proper kernel) |
| 04:52.40 | jpin | that is the name of that kernel version (thing) that works like vmware? |
| 04:52.41 | exobyte | When I shut off my usb hdd, I get this in dmesg, but /dev/sdb never shows up. http://www.pastebin.ca/392911 |
| 04:52.47 | jpin | "what" is the name of that kernel version (thing) that works like vmware? |
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| 04:52.53 | exobyte | I installed hot plug already, but never restarted |
| 04:53.03 | exobyte | jpin: colinux? |
| 04:53.13 | \amethyst | jpin: xen? |
| 04:53.23 | exobyte | jpin: qemu? |
| 04:53.48 | roe | Nemoder, can you clarify a little? something other than "apt-get install linux-image-amd64"? |
| 04:54.09 | Nemoder | roe: yes, a different ISO image to install from |
| 04:54.23 | Nemoder | roe: basicly a different version of debian entirely |
| 04:54.29 | jpin | \amethyst: xen, thanks |
| 04:54.34 | jpin | thanks exobyte |
| 04:55.03 | Nemoder | roe: the 32bit kernel will work fine on amd64 with the 32bit arch though |
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| 04:55.53 | Nemoder | roe: 32bit might be easier anyway if you plan to run any proprietory software like the flash browser plugin or games |
| 04:56.03 | vn | weeeee, the joy of compilation! |
| 04:56.12 | roe | Nemoder, so the k7-smp image? |
| 04:56.18 | markybob | flash works fine in 64-bit with nspluginwrapper |
| 04:56.27 | vn | uhm I'm in 2.6.8...is there any good reason to upgrade my kernel? |
| 04:56.49 | markybob | vn if your hardware is working fine and you have support for everything you need, no |
| 04:57.12 | Nemoder | roe: which version of debian is this? |
| 04:57.17 | roe | etch |
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| 04:57.28 | vn | markybob: ok, no major security stuff? |
| 04:57.31 | \amethyst | there have been security fixes since 2.6.8 |
| 04:57.42 | markybob | vn, debian's security team keeps the kernel patched |
| 04:57.54 | vn | \o/ |
| 04:57.56 | Nemoder | roe: oh, well smp used to be only for dual processors but it's been combined now, i think the smp package just points to the regular kernel |
| 04:58.08 | markybob | \amethyst, c'mon. dont spread crap like that. debian's security team does a great job of patching bugs and keeping it secure |
| 04:58.21 | \amethyst | markybob: that depends on how recently he's updated the kernel package |
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| 04:58.45 | roe | Nemoder, so it won't take advantage of my dual core |
| 04:58.46 | Nemoder | roe: linux-image-2.6-k7 should be fine |
| 04:59.10 | Nemoder | roe: smp is included in that kernel, if it's there it should use it |
| 05:00.29 | \amethyst | vn: what is the debian version of your kernel? |
| 05:01.05 | mezmiro | Does anyone know how to install the Enlightenment window manager on Debian? |
| 05:01.16 | \amethyst | vn: that's the part after "2.6.8-" in the output of uname -r |
| 05:02.35 | thedonvaughn | mezmiro: apt-get install enlightenment |
| 05:02.42 | Nemoder | mezmiro: apt-get install enlightenment, then if you're using kdm I think you can select it on the login screen |
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| 05:03.11 | enouf | roe /msg dpkg nie |
| 05:03.13 | mezmiro | Hmm, is there any way to check if I'm using kdm? |
| 05:03.30 | mezmiro | I did apt-get enlightenment but I haven't gotten past that yet. |
| 05:03.51 | mezmiro | All the docs said something about editing some startx file or something.. |
| 05:04.00 | Nemoder | mezmiro: do you have a graphical login screen or text? |
| 05:04.07 | vn | why on my box, in ssh, when I type the key "home", I get a tilde (~) and on some boxes, no? how can I disable that tilde thing? |
| 05:04.07 | thedonvaughn | mezmiro: do you use kdm or gdm? you can probably change your session at login. If not put enlightenment in your .xinitrc file and type startx to start it. google is your friend |
| 05:04.10 | nvz | mezmiro: dpkg -l kdm, ps aux |
| 05:04.12 | mezmiro | graphical. |
| 05:04.25 | Nemoder | mezmiro: ok, then logout and see if there is a button on the login screen to change window managers |
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| 05:04.44 | nvz | vn: its just the terminal emulator you are using |
| 05:04.51 | mezmiro | mmk. |
| 05:05.13 | vn | nvz: but I'm using the same settings from putty |
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| 05:05.26 | mezmiro | Okay, it says "no packages found matching kdm, ps, aux." |
| 05:05.29 | nvz | vn: putty is a shitty terminal emulator :P |
| 05:05.35 | vn | :\ |
| 05:05.41 | Nemoder | mezmiro: it might be gdm or xdm |
| 05:05.42 | Hachiko | nvz, hmm so what is a good terminal emulator? |
| 05:05.42 | vn | name a good windows one then |
| 05:05.48 | Guerin | mezmiro: you're stupid |
| 05:05.49 | vn | lol Hachiko |
| 05:05.59 | mezmiro | Good to hear Guerin. |
| 05:05.59 | enouf | mezmiro: try again, remove the , |
| 05:06.04 | mezmiro | mmk. |
| 05:06.04 | nvz | Hachiko: I dunno aterm works for me |
| 05:06.14 | mezmiro | ahh okay, kdm it is. |
| 05:06.17 | vn | I use ssh on linux but on windows... |
| 05:06.18 | \amethyst | nvz: know what's funny? |
| 05:06.20 | mezmiro | Time to logout then. |
| 05:06.22 | enouf | but actually .. hehe .. use ps aux to see if a PID is running |
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| 05:06.35 | \amethyst | nvz: pterm |
| 05:06.57 | enouf | mezmiro: udate-alternatives --config x-window-manager (if you want to set one as default) |
| 05:07.15 | enouf | mezmiro: erm update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 05:08.55 | roe | not sure if this changes anythign but my motivation for changing kernels is mainly that it doesn;t see all of my ram, only 885MB out of 2GB |
| 05:09.06 | abchirk | morning |
| 05:09.28 | Nemoder | roe: how are you checking it? |
| 05:09.28 | Guerin | roe: what CPU? |
| 05:09.33 | kupesoft | what's the difference between the default and expert installations (etch)? |
| 05:09.38 | markybob | roe, ah, should've said so :) move from the 386 kernel you're using to one that's more suited for your cpu |
| 05:09.43 | Vasistha | I recently upgraded to etch, and apache2 was automatically installed on my system; apache 1.3 also still exists. Is there any compelling reason why I shouldn't remove apache 1? There are a couple things (secure https) that I haven't tested |
| 05:09.48 | Guerin | kupesoft: the default asks you few questions, the expert many |
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| 05:10.01 | GeorgeS069 | sid: you still here? |
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| 05:10.33 | roe | I am "catting" /proc/meminfo, I am running the 486 kernel on an opteron |
| 05:10.49 | Nemoder | kupesoft: expert will ask a lot more questions but the default is usually safe either way |
| 05:10.50 | Guerin | roe: use the k8 or 686 kernel |
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| 05:12.13 | roe | k8 not k7? |
| 05:12.14 | Guerin | roe: the 486 doesn't have BIGMEM or whatever it is |
| 05:12.14 | simonrvn | Vasistha: https works the same with 2, except there's no apache2-ssl - it's a module |
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| 05:12.38 | nvz | heh thats like driving an 18 wheeler and putting training wheels off a kids bike on the back |
| 05:12.38 | Guerin | roe: an opteron is a k8, ttbomk. If there's no k8 then use k7. |
| 05:12.39 | mikecc | nice i got everything going guys, one thing though, i have a radeon 9600xt and i must say the opensource DRI drivers seem to be a lot slower than the fglrx drivers...for example digg and its slide down menu's go extremely slow..any ideas? |
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| 05:12.42 | roe | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp? |
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| 05:12.42 | Guerin | roe: suck and see |
| 05:12.43 | markybob | roe yep |
| 05:12.46 | GeorgeS069 | I got fglrx working on my laptop finally...I had to disable the sideport setting in the bios...I knew it was something stupid hehehe |
| 05:12.46 | vn | uh |
| 05:12.48 | vn | even debian has flood attacks |
| 05:12.56 | vn | welll...just join-flood for now |
| 05:13.23 | Guerin | vn: a dozen users doesn't really constitute a join-flood |
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| 05:13.34 | Guerin | not in a channel of ~700 |
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| 05:13.40 | roe | well wish me luck, doing this remotesly |
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| 05:14.03 | Guerin | !bless roe |
| 05:14.04 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child roe, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 05:14.18 | Hachiko | vn, check this out... http://www.ibb.net/~anne/keyboard.html to change your ~ problem |
| 05:14.18 | vn | oops |
| 05:14.20 | vn | that was a split |
| 05:14.22 | vn | thx Hachiko |
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| 05:16.15 | roe | hehe, is there something more stupid than switching kernels remotely? |
| 05:16.29 | Guerin | roe: mmm ... let me think |
| 05:16.33 | Guerin | not really |
| 05:16.42 | thedonvaughn | i recompile kernels remotely all the time |
| 05:16.43 | markybob | roe not voting? |
| 05:16.51 | Guerin | markybob: hah |
| 05:16.53 | roe | good news is I am only about 20mins away if things go awry |
| 05:16.59 | Nemoder | eh I change kernels remotely fairly often |
| 05:17.08 | \amethyst | roe: Upgrading the network card remotely? |
| 05:17.08 | Guerin | actually, the mature action of an uninformed voter IS to not vote |
| 05:17.43 | Vasistha | simonrvn: I'm going to assume that's a "go ahead and remove apache 1" type of answer -- thanks |
| 05:17.56 | markybob | mature and uninformed? that's an unusual package |
| 05:18.18 | Guerin | isn't it |
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| 05:18.46 | Guerin | low turnout is more adequately expained by uninformed and apathetic |
| 05:18.50 | Vasistha | markybob: is "mature" qualifying the person, or the fact that they're a voter? :P |
| 05:18.52 | Hachiko | vn, did you try that? it works for me |
| 05:19.07 | Vasistha | rather, "their status as a voter" |
| 05:19.07 | mezmiro | Okay, so apparently I'm running GDM. What was the command to set the default window manager again? x.x |
| 05:19.09 | roe | bam! guess who now has 2gb of ram |
| 05:19.11 | GeorgeS069 | How do I enable all the cpu governors? so far I only get "performance" as an option on the frequency selections for the gnome freq scalling applet |
| 05:19.17 | Guerin | !win roe |
| 05:19.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, roe! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 05:19.43 | Guerin | the us presidency is pretty good |
| 05:19.54 | GeorgeS069 | I won a ton of AOL cd's a month ago :) |
| 05:19.56 | nvz | yeah it gets that monkey out of office |
| 05:19.57 | Guerin | you get your own aeroplane and all the blowjobs you can keep out of the press |
| 05:20.00 | markybob | just watch out for bird shot |
| 05:20.16 | roe | Guerin, well if you put it that way... |
| 05:20.38 | vn | is there a debian package to get ALL the perl modules? |
| 05:20.43 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: you know what... flame me if you must, but I would prefer a president that screws/gets blown by an intern than one that screws/blows the country |
| 05:20.44 | Noboru | I remember i have asked this here but i forgot the answer,here it goes again,oops |
| 05:20.47 | roe | with that success, I am going to bed |
| 05:20.49 | vn | I'm tired of always missing one of those |
| 05:21.02 | Guerin | vn: ALL of perl? Are you SURE? |
| 05:21.10 | vn | I dunno |
| 05:21.18 | Noboru | Debian requires special chipset to install sataII hdd sucessfully that according to mobo or hdd itself ?or both ? |
| 05:21.19 | DocPlatypus | Bill Clinton was a great president... and dare I say it, he damn near earned a BJ from Monica |
| 05:21.28 | vn | I have no idea where to find the missing modules for the spamassassin install |
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| 05:21.40 | Guerin | vn: dpkg -l |awk '/perl/' {print $2}' |xargs aptitude install |
| 05:21.40 | DocPlatypus | anyway, that's enough off-topic patter from me |
| 05:21.49 | Guerin | vn: good luck. |
| 05:21.57 | vn | why so? |
| 05:21.58 | Guerin | argh, drop the second ' |
| 05:22.01 | thedonvaughn | vn: did you install spamassassin using apt-get? |
| 05:22.07 | thedonvaughn | vn: it should get dependencies for you |
| 05:22.08 | vn | no |
| 05:22.14 | Sweetandy | I normally just say "auto DHCP" and my computers just simply work with my cable line. Debian cannot find DHCP whatsoever, and refuses the information I give it. What should I do? |
| 05:22.17 | vn | I'm doing it manually form the tgz |
| 05:22.20 | Nemoder | yeah.. clinton.. hurray for the DMCA :| |
| 05:22.20 | vn | trom* |
| 05:22.23 | Guerin | vn: bah |
| 05:22.23 | vn | from*** |
| 05:22.34 | Guerin | vn: you're an eejit, use the debian package |
| 05:22.34 | thedonvaughn | vn: you're doing things the hard way that's why.. read the install docs then |
| 05:22.48 | vn | lolz |
| 05:22.48 | \amethyst | Sweetandy: did something change? |
| 05:22.52 | Guerin | Nemoder: the dcma wasn't clinton - it was the house/senate |
| 05:22.55 | vn | I'm following qmr's tutorial :\ |
| 05:22.55 | thedonvaughn | vn: i'd HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY, since you seem to need the help :) using apt-get to install everything you need |
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| 05:23.00 | Guerin | vn: don't. |
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| 05:23.11 | vn | uh? |
| 05:23.16 | Nemoder | Guerin: he coulda vetoed it :P |
| 05:23.17 | Guerin | vn: oh, qmailrocks? |
| 05:23.22 | vn | yes |
| 05:23.31 | Sweetandy | \amethyst: Yes. The device in the past has been tlp0 for ethernet, but ifconfig -a gives me eth0 as the ethernet device. |
| 05:23.35 | Guerin | Nemoder: you lose. |
| 05:23.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:23.39 | Guerin | sorry |
| 05:23.42 | Guerin | vn: you lose. |
| 05:23.44 | Sweetandy | \amethyst: But it refuses tlp0 as a device that exists |
| 05:23.45 | GeorgeS069 | mezmiro: aptitude install kdm |
| 05:23.51 | vn | uh? |
| 05:23.52 | Guerin | vn: don't use qmail, it's retarded. |
| 05:23.53 | tuv | is there a way to get get-edid to grab an external display info in a laptop? it always reports about the laptop internal lcd only |
| 05:23.54 | enouf | Dubbya sucks ass |
| 05:23.54 | \amethyst | Sweetandy: did your ISP reconfigure their nework? |
| 05:23.55 | mezmiro | :) Thanks George. |
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| 05:24.09 | Guerin | Nemoder: and the elected representatives would have overturned his veto |
| 05:24.16 | enouf | and giant smelly donkey balls ... |
| 05:24.18 | Guerin | Nemoder: he was in a no-win situation. |
| 05:24.18 | GeorgeS069 | yw |
| 05:24.22 | Sweetandy | \amethyst: I shouldn't think so. They really never do. |
| 05:24.26 | thedonvaughn | vn: apt-get install spamassassin should do the trick |
| 05:24.42 | vn | oh I have nothing to lose after all |
| 05:24.51 | Guerin | vn: that qmailrocks thing is a *major* pain in the fucking arse |
| 05:25.06 | Guerin | vn: if you want a peoprt mail setup, /msg dpkg postfix howto |
| 05:25.10 | vn | why so? it's so easy |
| 05:25.18 | vn | bah I like qmail |
| 05:25.28 | Guerin | vn: and then, one day, you have to change something, and it all comes tumbling down. |
| 05:25.28 | markybob | so easy you cant figure out how to get it working (thus why you're here) |
| 05:25.30 | thedonvaughn | postfix, i love it |
| 05:25.34 | Guerin | vn: that makes you stupid. |
| 05:25.35 | GeorgeS069 | hahaha |
| 05:25.41 | GeorgeS069 | use postfix |
| 05:25.46 | Guerin | markybob: right on, brother. |
| 05:25.53 | thedonvaughn | or exim4, but postfix by far |
| 05:26.01 | thedonvaughn | I setup virtaul domain with postfix in 2 seconds, great MTA |
| 05:26.15 | vn | Guerin: I guess I'll see that day... :p |
| 05:26.40 | vn | but I'll know I've been warned, thanks to you |
| 05:27.01 | Guerin | vn: it must be said that although qmr is crap and retarded and byzantine, it does fix the worst problem of qmail, which is its charming tendency to triple spam out of the box |
| 05:27.05 | DocPlatypus | enouf: I actually go for larger women believe it or not |
| 05:27.15 | DocPlatypus | I have no idea why, either |
| 05:27.29 | markybob | heh. |
| 05:27.35 | GeorgeS069 | DocPlatypus: I like em with a lil meat on them too |
| 05:27.38 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: thanks for sharing. |
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| 05:27.51 | Guerin | perhaps one day there will be famous women who aren't stick figures, again |
| 05:27.52 | enouf | DocPlatypus: more power to ya my friend ;-) .. don't mind them either myself .. more about heart and soul for me at my age ;-) |
| 05:27.56 | Guerin | like in the olden days |
| 05:27.58 | mezmiro | Hmm..how do I change the default login manager from gdm to kdm? |
| 05:28.05 | GeorgeS069 | not fat...just not all skin and bones either |
| 05:28.08 | Guerin | markybob: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 05:28.17 | Guerin | mezmiro: |
| 05:28.17 | enouf | DocPlatypus: heh .. baby got back .. it's all good |
| 05:28.20 | jetscreamer | happy birthday Guerin |
| 05:28.21 | Hachiko | hmm, is there a way to set a small word to do a long command? |
| 05:28.30 | Guerin | jetscreamer: hooray for me' |
| 05:28.42 | mezmiro | Hmm...command not found. |
| 05:28.42 | Guerin | Hachiko: alias short=long |
| 05:28.50 | thedonvaughn | Hachiko: an alias? |
| 05:28.50 | jetscreamer | one day you will fart dust as i do |
| 05:28.55 | Guerin | mezmiro: be root |
| 05:28.57 | Hachiko | Guerin, ok thanks..will try.. |
| 05:29.03 | mezmiro | so mote it be |
| 05:29.07 | Hachiko | thedonvaughn, i think so |
| 05:29.22 | Sweetandy | How do I get a list of devices? |
| 05:29.35 | Guerin | Sweetandy: any particular list? |
| 05:29.40 | Guerin | I can give you a list of devices |
| 05:29.40 | Sweetandy | Network devices? |
| 05:29.48 | Sweetandy | on my local system? |
| 05:29.50 | mikecc | anyone know how to make the fonts smaller on the actual fonts inside GTK apps (ie, gaim, firefox) |
| 05:29.53 | Guerin | Sweetandy: http://dvice.co.nz/ |
| 05:29.57 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: ifconfig -a |
| 05:29.59 | mezmiro | Will the option work when I restart or when I logout? |
| 05:30.04 | GeorgeS069 | Sweetandy: ifconfig |
| 05:30.28 | nvz | !listkeys gtk 2 font |
| 05:30.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gtk 2 font' by key returned no results. |
| 05:30.31 | Guerin | mezmiro: yes. |
| 05:31.28 | vn | eek I understand why you said installing all of perl was a bad idea :p |
| 05:31.28 | nvz | !listkeys gtk font size |
| 05:31.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gtk font size' by key (3): #debian gtk font size ;; _default gtk font size ;; gtk font size. |
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| 05:31.28 | mezmiro | :) Thank you. |
| 05:31.28 | Guerin | vn: not nearly as bad an idea as installing qmail |
| 05:32.17 | Sweetandy | Wow, it is still refusing to ping. This is crazy. |
| 05:32.38 | GeorgeS069 | Sweetandy: check the plug |
| 05:32.43 | vn | hah |
| 05:33.05 | vn | Guerin: I learn the hard way |
| 05:33.14 | Sweetandy | GeorgeS069 I even restarted the router. The LED's on the back aren't constantly lit as they normally are, but the router seems to be sending through that port. |
| 05:33.27 | mindframe_ | Guerin, what'd you recommend over qmail? |
| 05:33.34 | vn | postfix |
| 05:33.35 | Guerin | mindframe_: postfix or exim4 |
| 05:33.36 | vn | he said i |
| 05:33.38 | vn | t |
| 05:33.48 | Guerin | mindframe_: or sendmail |
| 05:33.53 | Guerin | mindframe_: or even courier-mta |
| 05:34.03 | Guerin | mindframe_: *almost* sexchange |
| 05:34.06 | mindframe_ | i heard good things about qmail at one point |
| 05:34.10 | Guerin | (but not quite) |
| 05:34.12 | mindframe_ | ive always used sendmail |
| 05:34.20 | GeorgeS069 | Sweetandy: if the lights are not lit like "normal" perhaps there is another problem...maybe power cycle the router again untiil it looks "normal" again |
| 05:34.24 | vn | sendmail is good but I got tired of the m4 macros |
| 05:34.38 | Sweetandy | The command "ifconfig interface" gives me the result "interface: error fetching interface information: Device not found". GeorgeS069, I'll try that. |
| 05:34.50 | Guerin | mindframe_: you heard it from idiots - in default config it causes two emails per spam it receives because of the fucking retarded wthings it does to the smtp protocol |
| 05:34.53 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: does mii-tool report any links up? |
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| 05:35.01 | mindframe_ | haha |
| 05:35.21 | mindframe_ | smtp protocol is shit :( |
| 05:35.22 | GeorgeS069 | Sweetandy: just type ifconfig and see what interfaces are listed...like eth0 eth1 etc... and then you can see what interface/s you need to setup |
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| 05:35.33 | Guerin | mindframe_: yeah, but even MS can implement it properly |
| 05:36.00 | mezmiro | So kdm was installed and loaded just fine, but I couldn't select the enlightenment window manager for some reason. |
| 05:36.04 | thedonvaughn | smtp is just simple, nothing wrongw ith that... it's in the name :) |
| 05:36.07 | mezmiro | Is there something I'm missing? |
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| 05:36.30 | Guerin | mezmiro: not all window managers play nice. Ask #kde how to make it show up. |
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| 05:36.37 | vn | Guerin: don't worry, I'm a spam fighter |
| 05:36.40 | GeorgeS069 | mezmiro: did you apt-get install enlightenment ? |
| 05:36.54 | mezmiro | Yeah and the install went through nicely. |
| 05:36.56 | mindframe_ | thedonvaughn, yeah just like snmp, both of which are two of the most commonly exploited services out there. simple does not always equal secure. |
| 05:37.00 | Guerin | vn: right. |
| 05:37.10 | thedonvaughn | mindframe_: true |
| 05:37.14 | Sweetandy | GeorgeS069: It says eth0 for ifconfig. The LED's that aren't functioning are the ones on the back of the computer. The flash in intervals... spaced intervals at that. |
| 05:37.21 | GeorgeS069 | mezmiro: I'd ask in #kde then...I'm a gnome user mostly |
| 05:37.33 | mezmiro | hmm...so kdm is designed for kde, more or less? |
| 05:37.38 | GeorgeS069 | yup |
| 05:37.40 | Sweetandy | the donvaughn: mii-tool: eth0: no link |
| 05:37.51 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: plug in your cable :) |
| 05:38.02 | thedonvaughn | or configure eth0 |
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| 05:38.04 | mindframe_ | im trying to get screen working in a chroot. not fun. |
| 05:38.04 | GeorgeS069 | basically kdm=Kde Desktop Manager |
| 05:38.55 | xerophyte | we can i learn compiling custom kernel, i mean i have learned the basic but i have sas drive with some intel controller .. when i boot its keep saying VFS not found .. how can i resolve this issue |
| 05:39.01 | GeorgeS069 | Sweetandy: did you run dhclient eth0 to get an IP? |
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| 05:39.09 | waspius | which is the software channel? |
| 05:39.22 | thedonvaughn | xerophyte: need to compile support for your controller properly and NOT as a module but built directly into the kerenl |
| 05:39.47 | thedonvaughn | xerophyte: wait is this a hp proliant dl 365 g5 |
| 05:39.48 | thedonvaughn | ? |
| 05:39.50 | xerophyte | thedonvaughn, i have build it .. its still keep saying it can not find the root |
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| 05:40.19 | waspius | nevermind |
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| 05:40.33 | peterS | thedonvaughn: he's been told that level of stuff many times, at some point he's gonna have to figure out that you use a distro kernel until you've read enough kernel code and gotten enough experience to be able to reliably build your own 'cause you know what all the options do |
| 05:40.36 | gotaku | What is the debian item in the gnome menu for? |
| 05:40.50 | xerophyte | thedonvaughn, 02:08.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 01) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB IDE Controller (rev 09) |
| 05:40.55 | gotaku | it still contains all the KDE applications even after I deleted them. |
| 05:41.23 | peterS | gotaku: that's the debian menu system, which is not gnome-specific. debian packages generally add themselves to the appropriate area of the debian menu system, indepdnently of how gnome menus work. so the gnome menu on debian includes a link to the debian menus in case something doesn't get added both places |
| 05:41.27 | Sweetandy | GeorgeS069: Running... DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 results: No DHCPOFFERS received. No woring leases in persistent database. |
| 05:41.37 | Sweetandy | Which is odd, because every other computer in my network would disagree. |
| 05:42.06 | gotaku | peterS: But it still contains all my removed KDE applications. Why? |
| 05:42.22 | waspius | i want to install a package but it tells me that i have an old version and that i should install it from the software channel..any ideas? |
| 05:42.26 | peterS | gotaku: either it hasn't been refreshed lately or those apps manage to leave cruft in the menu system |
| 05:42.40 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: mii-tool says no link and you said no lights are on the NIC card? Probably bad cable then or bad port |
| 05:42.43 | xerophyte | is there anyway to find out which driver loaded for /dev/sda5 ?? |
| 05:42.45 | peterS | gotaku: you may have to run 'update-menus' to refresh the menu system, though package removals are supposed to run that automatically |
| 05:42.50 | gotaku | peterS: Can I force a refresh? |
| 05:42.53 | peterS | xerophyte: poke around in /sys |
| 05:42.54 | gotaku | Ah, ok. |
| 05:43.06 | waspius | anyone? |
| 05:43.37 | Sweetandy | thedonvaughn: The cable works. I've been switching back and forth cables between that computer and this Mac. |
| 05:43.45 | GeorgeS069 | Sweetandy: do what thedonvaughn said...sounds like a bad connection or port somewhere...unplug it all and work your way back so it all lights up like normal again |
| 05:43.45 | gotaku | peterS: That did it, thanks. |
| 05:43.51 | niru | how to suppress the grub selection window in d-i |
| 05:43.56 | peterS | waspius: wtf, "the software channel"? I wonder what package this is, that doesn't sound like a debian concept at all |
| 05:44.12 | peterS | gotaku: nice to know it was as simple as that |
| 05:44.27 | xerophyte | peterS, what am i looking for |
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| 05:45.02 | peterS | xerophyte: sda means first scsi controller, so I'd look in /sys/bus/scsi/devices to see what you can se |
| 05:45.03 | Vasistha | so, I'm looking at apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, and apache2-mpm-event. I'm just building small websites on my laptop. Is there any reason I should care which of these I use? Is one of them lighter on the processor or memory? (I have 333 MHz, 192 MB) |
| 05:45.05 | peterS | see |
| 05:45.20 | waspius | peterS: it is debian...it is libntfs-3g0 |
| 05:45.39 | xerophyte | peterS, all linked something weird ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:01:00.0/0000:02:08.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0 |
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| 05:46.11 | jetscreamer | that's not weird |
| 05:46.12 | peterS | xerophyte: there you go then. pci device 0000:00:03.0 should be easy to identify. (hint: lspci) |
| 05:46.18 | jetscreamer | those are pci id's iirc |
| 05:46.20 | DocPlatypus | Vasistha: if they are only going to see minimal traffic it probably does not matter |
| 05:46.36 | \amethyst | xerophyte: look at the "driver" links in those directories |
| 05:46.40 | jetscreamer | and that arc stuff |
| 05:46.46 | Vasistha | DocPlatypus: that is, I won't notice a difference in performance, or in resource usage? |
| 05:46.49 | DocPlatypus | only if you are actually going to try to serve something that's going to get more than a few hundred hits per hour would that become an issue |
| 05:46.51 | xerophyte | thx |
| 05:46.55 | DocPlatypus | Vasistha: probably not |
| 05:47.04 | DocPlatypus | but I defer to any Apache experts on channel |
| 05:47.29 | peterS | Vasistha: he's right. unless you serve more than a few hits per second there's no way you'll notice the difference |
| 05:47.30 | Vasistha | DocPlatypus: alright, thanks! Yeah, it will see, maybe a few dozen hits per hour, as I program and test :-) |
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| 05:47.55 | DocPlatypus | thanks peterS |
| 05:48.01 | peterS | Vasistha: mpm-prefork is a good default unless you know you need something else - it's the best tested, partly because it's the most like apache 1.3 |
| 05:48.01 | waspius | well? |
| 05:48.05 | maddash | !ecryptfs |
| 05:48.05 | Sweetandy | Ha. Not a chance, guys. This computer does not want to find the network, end of story. It just hates my network. A lot. |
| 05:48.25 | Vasistha | peterS: ahh, nice, that must be why debian installed that one by default. |
| 05:48.32 | peterS | yes |
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| 05:49.46 | Hachiko | what file must i edit to add unstable/testing for apt-get? |
| 05:49.48 | maddash | what's with dpkg's crypt? |
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| 05:50.11 | peterS | Hachiko: 'man sources.list' for details |
| 05:50.11 | psychonate | Hachiko, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:50.24 | Hachiko | thanks.. |
| 05:50.40 | Sweetandy | Honestly I'm not surprised. No Linux computer has ever found this network. Only FreeBSD and NetBSD. |
| 05:50.57 | maddash | !crypt |
| 05:50.58 | xerophyte | peterS, i have sda and sdb both has ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/0000:01:00.0/0000:02:08.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/ and i have 02:08.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 01) and i have 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB IDE Controller (rev 09) i am wondering which one is using this IDE? |
| 05:51.04 | vn | install Bundle::CPAN was what I was looking for \o/ |
| 05:51.10 | DocPlatypus | Sweetandy: have you tried manually specifying an IP? |
| 05:51.13 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: something is wrong then, doesn' make sense |
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| 05:51.54 | Sweetandy | DocPlatypus: I've given it my local IP information, including the nearest router point. Nothing. |
| 05:52.05 | DocPlatypus | odd |
| 05:52.11 | DocPlatypus | what kind of network card is it? |
| 05:52.16 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: if you still have no lights its at a different level than IP |
| 05:52.18 | markybob | how's you do that if you didnt even know that you would use ifconfig to get a list of network devices? |
| 05:52.27 | thedonvaughn | sounds like you have a link issue |
| 05:52.42 | waspius | how do i install a package from terminal? |
| 05:52.48 | Sweetandy | I know ifconfig, I use it daily |
| 05:52.49 | peterS | aptitude install packagename |
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| 05:52.56 | thedonvaughn | waspius: what kind of package? apt-get install package |
| 05:52.59 | waspius | thanxs |
| 05:53.02 | \amethyst | Sweetandy: do you know another MAC address on your network? try arping |
| 05:53.16 | thedonvaughn | or aptitude.. i guess aptitude is the suggested way to use apt these days? |
| 05:53.33 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: try mii-tool -r -R |
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| 05:54.29 | windle | Just out of curiosity, why the heck isn't there a subversion package that has client support for SSL? |
| 05:54.48 | Guerin | windle: file a wishlist bug |
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| 05:55.03 | windle | I google'd around, and there's been people complaining about this for over 2 years |
| 05:55.33 | thedonvaughn | make one windle :) |
| 05:56.18 | Sweetandy | \amethyst, thedonvaughn: Neither seem to have an effect. |
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| 05:56.40 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: and you still get No Link for eth0 |
| 05:56.41 | bohsain | whats the module/driver for this sound card: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 05:56.44 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: with mii-tool? |
| 05:56.55 | Sweetandy | thedonvaughn: Yup. |
| 05:57.07 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: and you only have 1 nic? No onboard + PCI or anything? |
| 05:57.22 | thedonvaughn | caus even if you don't IP it, mii-tool should tell you the port speed you're connected at |
| 05:57.37 | mindframe_ | anyone happen to know where filezilla stores its ssh known_hosts? |
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| 05:57.55 | Guerin | mindframe_: why would we, it's dozeware |
| 05:58.07 | markybob | Guerin, runs on linux, too |
| 05:58.11 | thedonvaughn | mindframe_: wouldn't it just keep it in .ssh/known_hosts ? |
| 05:58.17 | mindframe_ | i figured as much |
| 05:58.41 | Sweetandy | thedonvaughn: No. I'm starting to think I shouldn't bother you guys any more. Nothing at all seems to work. |
| 05:58.51 | mindframe_ | crap software it is. getting garbled data on decryption when i try to connect to my server |
| 05:59.07 | Guerin | mindframe_: but why the fuck would you? |
| 05:59.11 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: its definitely a link issue... very odd |
| 05:59.30 | mindframe_ | was looking for something with a gui to sftp |
| 05:59.36 | Sweetandy | thedonvaughn: I'll keep trying with that in mind. Thank you! |
| 06:00.04 | thedonvaughn | Sweetandy: k, luck |
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| 06:00.33 | craigevil | filezilla is in the debian repos |
| 06:00.42 | mezmiro | Gah..does anyone remember how to extract .tar.gz files offhand? I had a page on it but I lost it x.x |
| 06:00.44 | MainEiac | anyone have any tips or tricks for booting stable off a 2gb pendrive |
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| 06:01.23 | thedonvaughn | mezmiro: tar -zxvf file.tar.gz |
| 06:01.23 | mezmiro | thanks! That's what I was looking for. |
| 06:01.51 | mindframe_ | rsync to the ssh server it is. |
| 06:02.21 | mezmiro | wait, nevermind....I needed tar.bz2 x.x |
| 06:02.37 | markybob | -jxvf |
| 06:02.49 | mezmiro | <3 |
| 06:03.32 | peterS | why -v? that just makes tar spew a large amount of unnecessary output |
| 06:04.11 | thedonvaughn | habit |
| 06:04.25 | mindframe_ | i do the same |
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| 06:04.31 | mindframe_ | zxvf or xjvf |
| 06:04.32 | exobyte | When I shut off my usb hdd, I get this in dmesg, but /dev/sdb never shows up. http://www.pastebin.ca/392911 Hotplug is installed, but I haven't restarted |
| 06:04.34 | peterS | you must not work from remote terminals very often. the slow extra scrolling breaks that habit pretty quickly |
| 06:05.00 | thedonvaughn | peterS: nah i do actually :P |
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| 06:06.30 | peterS | when you work from serial consoles or ssh across half the internet, you pretty quickly realise why it is that unix commands tend to give terse output (or none) by default |
| 06:06.49 | peterS | i.e., why "ls" does not default to "ls -l" |
| 06:07.00 | thedonvaughn | peterS: i agree with ya completely, just a habit though specificly with tar i use -v. |
| 06:09.01 | mezmiro | Hmm...so once I extract the tar, how do I install the program? It's Azureus o.O |
| 06:09.16 | peterS | I didn't know they'd released version o.O yet |
| 06:09.51 | peterS | since azureus, last I heard, was in java, your install process is likely to be full of pain and suffering |
| 06:09.56 | thedonvaughn | mezmiro: is it source or what? read the programs documentation. most likely you cd ito the directory it created (asssuming it did) and run ./configure && make && make install |
| 06:10.12 | peterS | unless you say "apt-get install azureus", that's a fairly painless install method |
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| 06:10.25 | mezmiro | Yeah it won't find the package sadly peter |
| 06:10.49 | DocPlatypus | peterS: you haven't lived until you've run X11 programs over ssh across a DSL connection with only 256k upstream |
| 06:11.35 | mindframe_ | ew |
| 06:11.35 | peterS | DocPlatypus: guess I've lived then |
| 06:11.35 | DocPlatypus | in a real pinch, I've had to use an X11 program over dialup. |
| 06:13.04 | peterS | DocPlatypus: vnc over transatlantic VPN is kinda fun too |
| 06:13.12 | DocPlatypus | I'll bet |
| 06:15.18 | Sweetandy | Here goes a non net-install version. I only have the first two discs, oh well. |
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| 06:15.51 | mhall | How can you write the inverted ! with Compose? How about inverted '?' ? |
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| 06:16.34 | mikecc | sup guys when i try to apt-get openoffice.org i get problems when trying to configure ttf-opensymbol multiple "fails to write cache" |
| 06:16.37 | mikecc | any ideas? |
| 06:16.53 | Savar | disk full? |
| 06:17.04 | mikecc | nope |
| 06:17.05 | kakalto | how can i change the name & folder of a user on my system? |
| 06:17.09 | kakalto | like, name:john, folder: /home/john to name:peter, folder:/home/peter? |
| 06:17.51 | mhall | kakalto: well it's a multistep thing |
| 06:17.58 | mhall | kakalto: first you'd need to mv and chown |
| 06:18.04 | mhall | kakalto: then update passwd and shadow |
| 06:18.13 | Savar | nope only move |
| 06:18.16 | Savar | why chown? |
| 06:18.31 | Savar | if you change only the name in passwd/shadow/group ? |
| 06:19.39 | Savar | mikecc, is it the post-install script that fails? |
| 06:19.57 | mikecc | Savar: it hap[pens when i try doing dpkg --configure |
| 06:20.03 | thedonvaughn | what's a folder i keep hearing people talk abou? |
| 06:20.23 | kakalto | okay, so I mv with "mv /home/john /home/peter", then how do I update passwd and shadow? |
| 06:20.31 | mhall | Savar: ah good call |
| 06:20.35 | DocPlatypus | kakalto: and they are called folders |
| 06:20.36 | markybob | thedonvaughn, their porn collection? |
| 06:20.38 | mhall | Savar: the id no. stays the same but the name changes |
| 06:20.40 | DocPlatypus | err |
| 06:20.42 | DocPlatypus | not called folders |
| 06:20.43 | mhall | Savar: failed to think of it |
| 06:20.45 | DocPlatypus | they are called diectories |
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| 06:20.53 | DocPlatypus | only the icon is called a folder |
| 06:20.54 | mhall | DocPlatypus: doesn't matter |
| 06:20.55 | thedonvaughn | thanks DocPlatypus :) |
| 06:21.06 | DocPlatypus | directories* ... can't type |
| 06:21.45 | kakalto | DocPlatypus: technicality, isn't it? |
| 06:22.19 | DocPlatypus | kakalto: not really. folder is a name Microsoft started using in (I think) Windows 95... directory is what Unix has called it since before 1970 |
| 06:22.36 | vn | in which package am I s'posed to find the perl module IP::Country |
| 06:22.40 | vn | ? |
| 06:22.41 | kakalto | But these days they're used interchangeably, aren't they? |
| 06:22.49 | thedonvaughn | kakalto: nope |
| 06:22.59 | markybob | vn libgeo-ipfree-perl |
| 06:23.02 | mhall | DocPlatypus: not true |
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| 06:23.05 | vn | thx |
| 06:23.09 | mhall | DocPlatypus: apple would have used it first for use |
| 06:23.20 | mhall | DocPlatypus: it existed in at least system 6 |
| 06:23.40 | vn | uh..I already have it but it says its missing |
| 06:23.42 | DocPlatypus | mhall: ok then... the first I noticed of the "let's call a directory a folder" epidemic was after Windows 95 though |
| 06:24.23 | kakalto | ok, well. I want to change a username and his associated directory from "john" (/home/john) to "peter" (/home/peter). How exactly do I do this? |
| 06:24.33 | mikecc | Savar: any ideas? |
| 06:24.57 | mikecc | Savar: it fails when updating the fontconfig cache |
| 06:25.06 | thedonvaughn | kakalto: make the directories you need edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow change the directory there... you will probably also need to do a chown -R user:group /home/user afterwords too |
| 06:25.12 | Savar | mikecc, fc-cache -fv |
| 06:25.28 | mikecc | bunch of failed to write cache |
| 06:25.34 | thedonvaughn | kakalto: n/m no need to edit /etc/shadow sorry |
| 06:25.34 | mikecc | and some successful caches |
| 06:25.36 | kakalto | thedonvaughn: where user:group would be peter:users ? |
| 06:25.36 | mhall | thedonvaughn: it turns out not |
| 06:25.37 | vn | why would perl makefile.pl complain about the fact I don't have IP::Country when I have it..? |
| 06:25.48 | kakalto | or peter:peter? |
| 06:25.48 | mhall | thedonvaughn: the user and group are stored by number not name |
| 06:26.04 | mhall | thedonvaughn: so if the number of them stays the same and the name changes you won't need the chown |
| 06:26.18 | Savar | mikecc, which one? |
| 06:26.18 | thedonvaughn | mhall: this i know, so? |
| 06:26.23 | mhall | thedonvaughn: Savar pointed it out and i concur after thinking on it |
| 06:26.33 | thedonvaughn | mhall: oh he's just changing names? I didn't read his questions all the way. Notice i said "you'll probably need to" |
| 06:26.44 | thedonvaughn | but yah you're right |
| 06:26.46 | thedonvaughn | and so is savar :) |
| 06:26.48 | mhall | thedonvaughn: lol |
| 06:27.10 | kakalto | so, are we in agreement, make directory, edit /etc/passwd, then chown -R peter:peter /home/peter? |
| 06:27.21 | kakalto | then copy contents of john to peter? |
| 06:27.24 | mikecc | Savar: /usr/share/fonts/* and /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* |
| 06:28.26 | Savar | mikecc, argh i have no debian with x right here so its impossible to test it.. |
| 06:28.31 | mikecc | ah damn |
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| 06:30.07 | mikecc | ah i think i know why |
| 06:30.10 | mikecc | my clock is off |
| 06:30.12 | mhall | kakalto: chown might not be needed |
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| 06:30.21 | mhall | kakalto: but it won't harm anything to do it |
| 06:30.28 | mhall | kakalto: so you can do it to be on the safe side =) |
| 06:30.34 | kakalto | mhall: ok, thanks =) |
| 06:30.58 | mhall | kakalto: though i think it'd be funnier to call the group pumpkineater |
| 06:31.10 | Savar | mikecc, Sarge Etch Sid? |
| 06:31.55 | kakalto | mhall: lol |
| 06:32.05 | mhall | kakalto: ;-) |
| 06:32.13 | mikecc | Savar: etch, but i just fixed it. that did the trick |
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| 06:32.18 | mikecc | i made the clock correct |
| 06:32.40 | Savar | mikecc, thats funny.. "clock <-> fonts" ?? weird |
| 06:32.48 | markybob | i did a fresh installation of etch and /usr/src (it's own partition) is showing up on my gnome desktop. none of the other partitions are doing that. any ideas? |
| 06:33.19 | GPLGeek | Anyone working on the Scite bug? I know nothing about UTF8 but figured I should at least try to hunt down the bug. |
| 06:33.37 | mhall | ยกยกยกยกยก ยฟยฟยฟยฟยฟ w00t !!!!! ????? <-- i found the compose combination i needed for them =) |
| 06:33.46 | mhall | GPLGeek: link? |
| 06:33.59 | GPLGeek | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412270 |
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| 06:34.21 | GPLGeek | files made/edit with scite break the system. |
| 06:34.28 | GPLGeek | =) |
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| 06:34.45 | Vasistha | markybob: I'm not familiar with gnome, but I know that in kde, you can choose the volumes that should be displayed on the desktop -- and I bet gnome has a similar customizability |
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| 06:35.12 | mhall | GPLGeek: that's a shitty one |
| 06:35.16 | GPLGeek | yes |
| 06:35.21 | mhall | GPLGeek: so has it been crossverified yet? |
| 06:35.29 | GPLGeek | im trying to wrap my mind around the code, but never using it before its going to take a while to get used to |
| 06:35.34 | GPLGeek | I have verified it |
| 06:35.40 | mhall | GPLGeek: how did you end up with said package |
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| 06:36.04 | Vasistha | I used to use scite until I got into kate |
| 06:36.06 | GPLGeek | apt-get or |
| 06:36.09 | mhall | GPLGeek: i've seen problems like this !@#$%^&*() before |
| 06:36.12 | GPLGeek | actually the bug exists in the windows version too |
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| 06:36.26 | GPLGeek | and build from source |
| 06:36.27 | mhall | GPLGeek: it's easy to do in unicode |
| 06:36.29 | GPLGeek | i've tested it all |
| 06:36.44 | mhall | GPLGeek: i take it they probably didn't use a unicode library or they used it wrong |
| 06:36.57 | GPLGeek | i've just opened the source this second |
| 06:37.12 | GPLGeek | i wanted to see if anyone else was working on it before I started re-inventing any wheels |
| 06:37.14 | mhall | GPLGeek: these things are lots less common when you use icu, etc... |
| 06:37.21 | mhall | GPLGeek: maybe check -devel? |
| 06:37.43 | mhall | GPLGeek: also, does it happen in head release? |
| 06:37.54 | mhall | GPLGeek: i'd think somebody'd fix such errors fast in an editor... |
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| 06:38.28 | GPLGeek | well it happens in all Package: scite |
| 06:38.28 | GPLGeek | Version: 1.71-1 |
| 06:38.39 | GPLGeek | I have not seen any fixes in my searches |
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| 06:39.08 | mikecc | argh! my box locked up again! anyone knoe if the pentium D has problems in 2.6.x when running as SMP? my box just hardlocks randomly and usually im in X so i never can see what the problem is on console...one time i saw a kernel panic: CPU not syncing, any ideas if they could be related and howto fix it? |
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| 06:41.51 | Vasistha | mikecc: incidentally, have you cleaned your box recently? I've heard excessive dust is one of the leading causes of lockups |
| 06:42.17 | mikecc | Vasistha: no i have not, but i have only had the box for a few months but thanks for the tip ill try it out |
| 06:42.24 | mhall | GPLGeek: it might be useful to see how it renders http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/ |
| 06:42.31 | mhall | GPLGeek: those are UTF testfiles |
| 06:42.41 | mhall | GPLGeek: which might help you find out which chars make it choke |
| 06:42.50 | GPLGeek | cool thanks |
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| 06:43.04 | mhall | GPLGeek: i used them to get my X shit set up correctly |
| 06:43.45 | Vasistha | mikecc: well, if it's only 4 months, that probably shouldn't be the cause |
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| 06:44.03 | mikecc | yeah got it for christmas :) |
| 06:44.57 | mikecc | Vasistha: to be honest i think its just always happened..ive never used anything but 2.6 on this box but to be honest i dont know if its the CPU creating these kernel panics (lights flash on my keyboard when it hardlocks) or if its the ATI Radeon which is notorious for having problems in linux |
| 06:45.30 | Vasistha | mikecc: hmm, christmas gift or a curse? :-) |
| 06:46.09 | mikecc | haha :) |
| 06:46.13 | markybob | i cant believe google's firefox toolbar doesnt work on amd64 firefox. that's bull |
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| 06:46.47 | mhall | markybob: nothing works that great on 64 except server apps from my experience |
| 06:46.53 | mhall | markybob: even those can be flaky |
| 06:47.15 | mhall | markybob: while we might be free from M$ we are far from free from Inthell and AMSleaze... |
| 06:47.43 | markybob | true...but this is google. same people who got picasa working on linux. it's a stupid toolbar for crying out loud. not rocket science |
| 06:48.17 | mhall | markybob: then again, they couldn't beat youtube despite having a lead on inventing their video site, more bandwidth, more developers, and more money |
| 06:48.33 | mhall | markybob: so maybe they're not as great as all of my friends in the bay area try to tell me they are |
| 06:48.42 | mhall | markybob: i'm not going to go work there |
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| 06:50.48 | GPLGeek | Google is working on a Google-Linux-Desktop but of course if they had a larger market it would already be out |
| 06:51.01 | mhall | GPLGeek: i'll stick with debian |
| 06:51.18 | GPLGeek | well its just google desktop that runs on linux. |
| 06:51.22 | GPLGeek | or other *nix |
| 06:51.27 | mhall | GPLGeek: it doesn't make inaccurate annoying misassumptions about my workflow |
| 06:51.29 | GPLGeek | just apps, like weather, email, etc |
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| 06:53.12 | GPLGeek | one of the reasons for delaying or not porting some of their apps was because they thought that the community had done a good enough job at creating the tools for end users in linux. Windows did not. |
| 06:53.33 | GPLGeek | It will be interesting to see how the future plays out |
| 06:54.03 | markybob | "the sun is usually yellow" |
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| 06:54.29 | mhall | GPLGeek: i wish Linux had better support for hardware more than anything |
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| 06:54.44 | GPLGeek | exactly |
| 06:54.44 | mhall | GPLGeek: right now i'm going around and around with FC controllers and FC SAN devices |
| 06:54.53 | GPLGeek | non-proprietary support |
| 06:54.56 | mhall | GPLGeek: the drivers exist but they're flaky as fuck |
| 06:55.06 | mhall | GPLGeek: they flap the link and crash the overlying FS |
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| 06:55.20 | mhall | GPLGeek: and not, you know, once a week, more like, once an hour |
| 06:56.07 | GPLGeek | heh thats great |
| 06:56.18 | GPLGeek | reminds me of wifi |
| 06:56.20 | GPLGeek | for some reason |
| 06:56.54 | mhall | GPLGeek: oh yeah, i *hate* wireless on any OS |
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| 06:58.27 | GPLGeek | Oddly enough Linux is the BEST for wifi on 64bit |
| 06:58.55 | GPLGeek | but freezes on 32, doesnt work at all in other OS's |
| 06:59.00 | GPLGeek | at least for my broadcom |
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| 07:00.50 | GPLGeek | mhall, I think we are looking at a total-rewrite of scite to fix this problem. It needs to use the correct library to hande this stuff. |
| 07:01.12 | mikecc | what is a UP kernel? |
| 07:02.35 | mhall | GPLGeek: oof |
| 07:02.49 | mhall | mikecc: uniprocessor =) |
| 07:03.04 | mhall | mikecc: opposite of SMP (symmetric multiprocessor) |
| 07:03.19 | mikecc | ahhh damn i guessthere is a bug in the fglrx driver that makes SMP kernels lockup |
| 07:03.27 | mhall | mikecc: sonofabitch |
| 07:03.40 | mikecc | haha ill say |
| 07:04.07 | mikecc | mhall: if i installed another set of libs over the latest mesa ones that came with etch how do iget them back? |
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| 07:04.39 | GPLGeek | mikecc, there is a bug in windows and linux ATI drivers that causes system lockup |
| 07:04.51 | mikecc | GPLGeek: yes that is what is happening to me |
| 07:04.53 | GPLGeek | they know about it |
| 07:05.00 | mikecc | GPLGeek: should I use the opensource DRI drivers? |
| 07:05.02 | sangriag | hi, I have a problem which I could not solve through any of the guides at debianforum. |
| 07:05.11 | GPLGeek | they sent me back that they are re-writing and opening up some code so it might take a while to fix |
| 07:05.15 | sangriag | It is about wireless (bcm43xx) on my laptop |
| 07:05.23 | GPLGeek | at least the open source drivers dont lock up. |
| 07:05.30 | GPLGeek | but it only locks up when playing specific games usually |
| 07:05.31 | markybob | mikecc, apt-get --reinstall install mesa-utils ? |
| 07:05.36 | mikecc | markybob: thanks |
| 07:05.41 | mikecc | GPLGeek: thanks for the info dude |
| 07:05.41 | tsukasa | GPLGeek, more like crashing games completely |
| 07:05.50 | markybob | sangriag, with that particular chipset you're better off with ndiswrapper. really. i have the same one |
| 07:05.50 | mikecc | GPLGeek: my box just seems to lockup all the time |
| 07:05.58 | GPLGeek | the whole system just dies... |
| 07:05.58 | mhall | mikecc: no big deal, try apt-get install --reinstall |
| 07:06.01 | GPLGeek | frozen |
| 07:06.05 | mikecc | GPLGeek: and i end up having to pull the plug |
| 07:06.09 | mhall | mikecc: and packages.debian.org to get help with package names |
| 07:06.14 | mikecc | mhall: thanks |
| 07:06.27 | mhall | markybob: the reverse-engineered stuff loads and runs for me but does nothing :-D |
| 07:06.41 | mhall | mikecc: aptitude reinstall also works if you're more used to that |
| 07:06.41 | sangriag | markybob: the bcm43xx driver recognizes the wireless points but simply it does not connect. |
| 07:07.04 | markybob | sangriag, yes. like i said, use ndiswrapper for that chipset until that module matures |
| 07:07.19 | GPLGeek | have you tried using the latest driver from the website? |
| 07:07.29 | mikecc | GPLGeek: yep |
| 07:07.32 | GPLGeek | i have not had any problems with my games since installing, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist |
| 07:07.35 | sangriag | markybob: thanks. I will take the old ndiswrapper path! and get back to you if any problem |
| 07:07.45 | markybob | sangriag, i'll be here |
| 07:08.00 | mikecc | ah |
| 07:08.04 | markybob | stuff like that makes me wish i had a cape |
| 07:08.08 | mikecc | imma restart X with the opensource drivers |
| 07:08.09 | mikecc | brb |
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| 07:08.42 | markybob | "when times get rough...there will i be!" and then spin out in a whirlwind or something |
| 07:09.48 | sangriag | markybob: is there any howtos specific to enable in etch-amd64 machine? |
| 07:10.23 | markybob | sangriag, same way you do it in etch i386. you just need the 64-bit broadcom drivers |
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| 07:10.28 | markybob | sangriag, i can dcc them to you |
| 07:10.50 | sangriag | markybob: shall be obliged |
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| 07:12.31 | kakalto | thedonvaughn, mhall, I did have to change /etc/shadow |
| 07:12.34 | mikecc | is there a way to reinstall all the dependencies for a package aswell? |
| 07:12.51 | mikecc | i fucked up my mesa stuff it has the fglrx mesa libs and not the opensource ones |
| 07:12.52 | pwuertz_ | hi, I have some kind of bad .deb package here... its trying to overwrite a file owned by another package... this file is not important, so I would like to delete this specific file from the .deb package so it installs cleanly... how can I do that? |
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| 07:13.31 | Savar | pwuertz_, only for this one installation? |
| 07:14.03 | pwuertz_ | Savar: hm.. It would be nice to have a "working" package after all... |
| 07:14.20 | pwuertz_ | Savar: you are suggesting some kind of "force" dpkg option? |
| 07:14.29 | Savar | pwuertz_, ok.. yes i thought |
| 07:14.32 | sangriag | markybob: using gaim, does not seem downloading even after accepting your dcc |
| 07:14.53 | Savar | pwuertz_, you could extract the .deb |
| 07:15.00 | markybob | sangriag, oh. hrm. i dont know much about gaim irc/dcc |
| 07:15.02 | Savar | and then maybe repack |
| 07:15.38 | pwuertz_ | Savar: you know which tools are needed to operate on debs? |
| 07:15.46 | sangriag | markybob: is this the one similar to yours: http://www.tuxpages.com/helppages/zv6130us/wireless.shtml |
| 07:15.50 | pwuertz_ | Savar: so far I only know checkinstall |
| 07:16.33 | Savar | pwuertz_, dpkg -x for extracting |
| 07:16.43 | tsukasa | pwuertz_, extract dpkg -x, modify and try repacking with dpkg-repack |
| 07:17.22 | pwuertz_ | tsukasa: but dpkg-repack will only repack debs out of installed packages.... |
| 07:17.26 | sangriag | markybob: did you made some changes in menu.lst in kernel parameters to make ndiswrapper work? |
| 07:17.48 | markybob | sangriag, i did not. i'm using vanilla 2.6.20.2 |
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| 07:19.11 | sangriag | Thanks, I will go for it. |
| 07:19.22 | markybob | good luck |
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| 07:19.51 | sangriag | markybob: does the ndiswrapper in the debian-etch repository works fine or do i need to compile from source? |
| 07:19.59 | kakalto | what network driver does ALI chipsets use? |
| 07:20.47 | streuner | wifi? |
| 07:20.56 | markybob | sangriag, working fine here, in sid |
| 07:21.08 | streuner | kakalto: lspci -v | grep -i eth |
| 07:21.13 | markybob | sangriag, i assume etch will work just fine |
| 07:21.29 | streuner | kakalto: or just use HCL (/msg dpkg hcl) |
| 07:21.45 | sangriag | Okay, I will try then and shall try to be back in wireless mode , ;-) |
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| 07:22.47 | streuner | sangriag: just read there wiki - sf.net |
| 07:23.07 | kakalto | streuner: me? not wifi. I know that it's an ali 1689 or 1573 chipset, but that doesn't give me an exact driver. Will try HCL. thanks |
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| 07:23.32 | Savar | pwuertz_, maybe: dpkg -x xx.deb ; cd xx; mkdir DEBIAN; cd DEBIAN; dpkg -e xx.deb; cd ..; dpkg -b . ../xx.deb |
| 07:25.42 | Xorm | Is there a way to set window alpha in X? |
| 07:25.44 | kakalto | streuner: I checked there... didn't mention ali chipsets |
| 07:27.46 | streuner | kakalto: lspci -v | grep -i eth |
| 07:28.48 | streuner | kakalto: did the kernel already regonizes the chipset at all? (grep dmesg) |
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| 07:33.09 | Ramattack | hi mates |
| 07:33.36 | Ramattack | does anybody know how to set the strip sizes on linux soft raid 0's?? |
| 07:34.06 | kakalto | streuner: okay, I found it on a compatibility list. 10b95263 Yes ALi Corporation ULi 1689,1573 integrated ethernet. uli526x.... but I modprobe that driver, and ifup eth0, only to get ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 07:34.31 | streuner | kakalto: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 07:35.11 | mhall | Ramattack: -c, --chunk= |
| 07:35.18 | mhall | Ramattack: man mdadm |
| 07:35.44 | Ramattack | one moment let's see.... |
| 07:36.52 | Ramattack | so chunk size is the same as strip size then? |
| 07:37.35 | kakalto | streuner: I know my configuration is set up properly. I just cloned this install to another computer, so am currently in the process of switching drivers over |
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| 07:38.55 | streuner | kakalto: what does 'cat /proc/version' say, btw? |
| 07:39.07 | markybob | meow? |
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| 07:39.13 | markybob | sorry...i've been drinking ;) |
| 07:39.47 | Ramattack | mshall is the same then? |
| 07:39.54 | mhall | Ramattack: i think they used this more general term chunk cause not all arrays use stripes as their storage unit |
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| 07:40.48 | navaladi | Guys I am using Debian 3.1r2, I am inside the proxy server. I can not browse because my IP address is not in the proxy server access list. But i can browse internet through port 21 , I mean i can load all ftp:// sites..How it is possible,? |
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| 07:40.51 | kakalto | streuner: I don't really want to copy that line, but I'm running 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel on debian etch. |
| 07:41.08 | streuner | custom or official? |
| 07:41.17 | navaladi | Is there any way to load webpages through port 21, because it is freely allowed for me..! |
| 07:42.05 | Ramattack | Ok mshall thanks a lot then.... |
| 07:42.07 | Ramattack | bye!!!! |
| 07:42.21 | kakalto | streuner: official. |
| 07:42.26 | kakalto | official k7 kernel |
| 07:42.35 | phorce1 | gack -- the guy I bought my (used) ATI card from didn't include the composite/svid output cable. Gonna have to get some really long rca cables to run the YPbPr output to the HDTV and see if I can talk that into working under Debian. |
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| 07:43.09 | phorce1 | and at 3am I'm not going cable shopping |
| 07:43.15 | streuner | kakalto: check out interfaces again |
| 07:44.09 | streuner | kakalto: just try 'ifdown -a ; ifup -a' |
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| 07:44.33 | kakalto | streuner: when I do that, I get "ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
| 07:44.42 | dimon08 | hey, can someone help me with squid authentication? |
| 07:44.49 | dimon08 | I use debian sarge |
| 07:44.55 | kakalto | after modprobing the supposed correct driver (uli526x) |
| 07:44.56 | streuner | kakalto: ok, did you modprobe the driver without any errors? |
| 07:45.02 | kakalto | no error |
| 07:45.11 | phorce1 | !tell dimon08 about ask |
| 07:45.14 | dimon08 | it asks for user and pass but nothing happens after that (( |
| 07:45.16 | streuner | ok, just check interfaces again |
| 07:45.33 | kakalto | streuner: exactly what about interfaces? |
| 07:45.49 | kakalto | my config is exactly the same as another computer which works (different chipset is the difference) |
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| 07:46.14 | ernie_ | hi, the netboot images are not updted for 3.1r5? |
| 07:46.32 | ernie_ | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 07:48.39 | streuner | kakalto: did you see eth0 up in 'ifconfig'? |
| 07:48.39 | dimon08 | hey can someone help me with squid authentication please? |
| 07:48.39 | dimon08 | it prompts for username and pass but nothing happens after that :( |
| 07:48.39 | dimon08 | i use debian sarge and ncsa_auth |
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| 07:54.39 | niru | miki:are you there |
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| 07:58.20 | outlaw84 | how do you disable the PC-speaker? |
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| 07:59.13 | markybob | rmod pcspkr? |
| 07:59.18 | markybob | rmmod |
| 07:59.27 | outlaw84 | I'll try that, thanks |
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| 08:03.03 | navaladi | Guys any idea? pls |
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| 08:04.44 | sep | navaladi, talk to your network admin and get him to add your ip address to the proxy ACL |
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| 08:05.06 | BarAG_Oberstadt | hi |
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| 08:05.30 | streuner | kakalto: Do you have another NIC in that box? |
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| 08:05.38 | kakalto | streuner: no. |
| 08:05.42 | kakalto | otherwise I would use that |
| 08:05.54 | navaladi | sep - Thanks, sep my intention is not getting the internet, but how does i can access ftp:// sites without adding to ACL, and without using proxy server and port? |
| 08:06.36 | sep | navaladi, probably your firewall dont block that |
| 08:07.02 | streuner | kakalto: do you use simply 'DHCP' in your interfaces file? |
| 08:07.31 | navaladi | sep - How can i get the list of ports are allowed?..And I am not using proxy server and port for ftp:// based servers.. |
| 08:07.52 | BarAG_Oberstadt | i have used gnome some time ago and now installed it on a pc for my sutdents hostel. In the past the filebrowser had some kind of filebrowser on the left and the files of the selected folder were shown on the right. Quite likoe OSX. Now if I double click on a folder a new window pops up, what is quite annoying. How can I get the old sheme back? |
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| 08:08.25 | streuner | !dhcp client |
| 08:08.25 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 08:08.26 | kakalto | streuner: yeah. But I still can't bring up eth0 if I do "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.110 netmask 255.255.255.0 up" |
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| 08:09.04 | dimir | Moin |
| 08:09.50 | BarAG_Oberstadt | dimir: hehe moin. Ein plat snaker |
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| 08:10.57 | dimir | plat? |
| 08:10.58 | navaladi | sep - ? |
| 08:10.59 | dimir | snaker? |
| 08:11.11 | BarAG_Oberstadt | can somebody tell me how I get the treeview in the filebrowser? |
| 08:11.26 | BarAG_Oberstadt | dimir: moin ist plat |
| 08:11.39 | hark | BarAG_Oberstadt:in nautilus preferences, open in browser windows |
| 08:11.40 | BarAG_Oberstadt | and snaken means speaking in plat |
| 08:11.45 | kakalto | streuner: can I ask a question? are you just randomly stabbing at anything you think might be the problem? As far as I see it, it looks very much like a card-driver problem, rather than a dhcp problem. |
| 08:11.58 | kakalto | I'm thankful for the help though |
| 08:12.02 | BarAG_Oberstadt | Hark: thank you very much |
| 08:12.03 | mikecc | anyone know how to decrease GTK font size? |
| 08:12.14 | mikecc | when not using gnome |
| 08:12.33 | hark | ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 08:12.39 | Coweater | install gtk-theme-switch, run switch or switch2 depending on gtk version |
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| 08:13.04 | mikecc | hark: i am putting gtk-font-name = "Sans 8" and its not changing at all |
| 08:14.04 | mikecc | nice ! |
| 08:14.07 | mikecc | thanks Coweater |
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| 08:15.00 | hark | do a google search for the right syntax |
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| 08:16.28 | hark | say, http://jamesclarke.info/notes/gtkfonts |
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| 08:18.06 | streuner | kakalto: http://channels.debian.net/paste2/5704 |
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| 08:22.29 | kakalto | streuner: even when I go "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.110 netmask 255.255.255.0 up", it has the same problem |
| 08:23.29 | tarzeau | which package sources can i look at, that are built with quilt? |
| 08:23.34 | disposable | i switched to 2.6.18-4-686 from 2.6.18-3-686 yesterday and now i cannot load any acpi modules (says 'device isn't there'). google says i'm not alone, but gives no solution. I can't download the older version and there's no 2.6.20 in sid or experimental. does anyone know what to do (apart from compiling my own kernel)? |
| 08:23.36 | streuner | kakalto: just use the values in the URL above and run 'ifdown -a ; ifup -a' |
| 08:23.56 | kakalto | streuner: I've just tracked down a PCI eth card, gonna use that instead. Thanks anyway |
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| 08:24.16 | streuner | kakalto: make sure you have the right value for 'gateway' ; if that doesn't work, just buy another NIC - they are cheap nowadays |
| 08:24.31 | Noboru | can i ask a cpu question cuz everyone else is zzzz in #hardware |
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| 08:24.37 | tarzeau | Noboru: just do it |
| 08:24.57 | streuner | Where the hell is Guerin? |
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| 08:25.29 | Noboru | ok, does anyone know if a dual xeon 1.8ghz system will work as much as a pentium D 915 system ? basically do basic webpages and mostly the database applications,mysql. |
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| 08:26.22 | tarzeau | Noboru: it will work yes. no idea which one will work better/faster |
| 08:26.36 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 08:30.04 | enouf | tarzeau: I know I'm likely doing this wrong, but maybe something like apt-rdepends -- * -s quilt |
| 08:30.30 | enouf | streuner: he's in his b-day suit ;-P |
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| 08:32.26 | streuner | enouf: the day just started in .nz ;-) |
| 08:32.37 | drummer_wilson | how do i change my gdm login theme?? |
| 08:32.45 | drummer_wilson | i've downloaded a few.. |
| 08:32.52 | Guerin | streuner: hasn't started yet |
| 08:32.53 | enouf | oh, and my past behavior as only in response to being shouted at .. no grudges here |
| 08:32.59 | streuner | haha |
| 08:33.04 | kakalto | streuner: where are you, lol |
| 08:33.14 | Guerin | i'm drinking beer waiting for pizza to arrive, FYI |
| 08:33.15 | enouf | Garda: get jiggy with it |
| 08:33.21 | drummer_wilson | oi |
| 08:33.24 | Guerin | and being impressed at how cool abcde is |
| 08:33.26 | enouf | erm Guerin |
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| 08:33.45 | streuner | Guerin: Happy birthday and all good things for you and your family |
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| 08:34.05 | Guerin | streuner: thank you, good sir. |
| 08:34.18 | kakalto | Guerin, Have a happy last 2 1/2hrs of your birthday .... (or is it tomorrow?) |
| 08:34.27 | Guerin | nah, it's today |
| 08:34.31 | kakalto | heheh. |
| 08:34.40 | Guerin | i gots me korean action flix to watch, too |
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| 08:34.51 | kakalto | oh brilliant xD |
| 08:35.25 | drummer_wilson | where is te gdm setup tool? |
| 08:35.26 | streuner | Guerin: why kind of 'eel' is that on the picture? |
| 08:36.14 | Xorm | OHHH YEAH |
| 08:36.17 | streuner | drummer_wilson: dpkg -L gdm |
| 08:36.18 | Xorm | </koolaid man> |
| 08:36.26 | Xorm | 32119 in gnometris |
| 08:36.28 | Xorm | beat that |
| 08:36.30 | streuner | s/on/in/ |
| 08:37.04 | Guerin | streuner: anguilla dieffenbachii, New Zealand longfin |
| 08:37.05 | Coke | Hello. I'm currently using growisofs to burn DVD's, it seems like an easy way to burn a file tree to a DVD. It is, however, severely retarded. For instance, growisofs -Z /dev/hda * will actualy recurse down the directories and put all their contents in the root of the ISO fs. Are there any better, less "weird" CLI tools for burning file trees instantly to media? |
| 08:37.07 | enouf | ouch .. my rdepends command sucked ass .. <throws in the towel> |
| 08:38.09 | drummer_wilson | streuner: i just want to add some login pictures, how do i do that? |
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| 08:39.47 | streuner | Guerin: any idea how old this fish is? ;-) |
| 08:40.04 | Guerin | streuner: i'd guess more than a decade |
| 08:40.07 | streuner | Guerin: they are able to live about 106 years ;-) |
| 08:40.23 | Guerin | they live to human-type ages and grow more than 200cm and 50kg |
| 08:40.27 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:40.47 | kakalto | okay, I get the same problem with ethernet cards with the onboard ethernet (using uli526x driver) on this asrock board, same problem as perfectly working pci eth card (using 8139too driver).... "errorr while getting interface flags: no such device" |
| 08:41.08 | kakalto | do I need some special extra driver? |
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| 08:50.00 | kakalto | streuner: I just tried your interfaces file, and it doesn't work. |
| 08:50.39 | enouf | Coke: have you looked at mkisofs/genisoimage options? .. search for 'tree', or 'graft' .. i know ISO has a limit on Dir depth (path depth issues) |
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| 08:51.59 | streuner | Guerin: did you fish the eel for youself? |
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| 08:52.15 | streuner | Guerin: or just bought it? |
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| 08:53.53 | Coke | enouf: yeah, I'm not talking about that issue, I'm talking about growisofs behaving like no other CLI tool does, recursive and ignoring top-level directories. |
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| 08:54.25 | Coke | enouf: anyway, yeah, mkisofs and genisoimage looks good, but it was just so sweet to just run one command and forget about the rest. :) |
| 08:55.19 | enouf | Coke: looking at the newest versions now from sid myself |
| 08:55.43 | akifdino | is there anything i need to consider if i wanted to update to a new kernel? i'm using 2.6.18-3 and the sources which i would need for a lirc module are 2.6.18-10 which build modules can not be inserted into the running kernel |
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| 09:02.26 | gotaku | Is there a way to build a kernel with kernel-package so it automatically only compiles modules I currently have loaded? |
| 09:02.33 | outlaw84 | Is there something you need to do with a script inside /etc/cron.hourly/ execpt having the first line say "#! /bin/sh" and chmod +x? |
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| 09:03.29 | stew | outlaw84: the name of the script needs to be compliant with run-parts (man 8 run-parts) |
| 09:03.33 | outlaw84 | gotaku: You should develop av way for that it not :) |
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| 09:04.07 | gotaku | outlaw84: Eh? |
| 09:04.08 | stew | gotaku: there is not |
| 09:04.30 | gotaku | stew: So I have to do it manually with menuconfig? :( |
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| 09:06.22 | Coke | AArgh! How do I shut the PC speaker up short of ripping it out of the box? :) |
| 09:06.44 | Coke | In X as well as console, I don't -need- audio to tell me my tab-completion failed. |
| 09:08.21 | streuner | kakalto: What happens if you using a Knoppix or GRML live CD? |
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| 09:10.10 | streuner | kakalto: use the same parameters, if that doesn't work too check out the BIOS values |
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| 09:11.47 | kakalto | streuner: I'm messing around on a gentoo livecd, and it's having better luck. Static IP, pinging comps on the network and router/gateway, but can't get the net |
| 09:13.00 | enouf | !tell coke about beep |
| 09:13.09 | enouf | argh |
| 09:13.12 | enouf | !tell coke about bell |
| 09:13.23 | stranger | I get this error when trying to view embedded video in firefox, 'x-vlc-plugin not found'. I have mplayer, vlc and xine installed |
| 09:13.36 | streuner | kakalto: can you ping the router? |
| 09:13.52 | streuner | kakalto: if not the route isn't ok |
| 09:13.52 | enouf | Coke but i just modprobe -r pcspkr , then blacklist it's @ss ;-0 |
| 09:14.19 | zorrolero | stranger: apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc |
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| 09:15.58 | stranger | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.38 | row_ | What would people recommend for a nameserver with a database backend, is mydns any good? |
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| 09:16.57 | row_ | rather use something thats upgradable and such via apt |
| 09:17.08 | row_ | so the mysql bind driver is out of the question |
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| 09:18.03 | row_ | pdns? |
| 09:18.23 | row_ | yeah pdns looks good |
| 09:19.15 | enouf | stranger: prolly have to symlink /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ <somewhere, like maybe ~/.mozilla> |
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| 09:20.52 | liable | yay, after two weeks of phone line faults, i have a reasonable dsl connection |
| 09:21.13 | enouf | liable: fiber? |
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| 09:21.54 | enouf | stranger: you restarted FF yes? |
| 09:23.06 | liable | enouf: shit no, just adsl, we dont got that much fancy fibres in .au :) |
| 09:23.45 | enouf | liable: i guess all the goats eat the lines .. :-P .. but 'll send verizon over soon.. |
| 09:25.06 | liable | enouf: you can have your cia sponsered phone companies all to yourself :P |
| 09:25.09 | enouf | liable: they just dug up the ground not too long ago here, in a major-metro outskirt .. non-poor area ... |
| 09:25.24 | enouf | liable: heh |
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| 09:26.31 | ewanm89 | How do I add a new entry to kdm session menus? |
| 09:27.25 | enouf | Coke: byw .. may wanna mess with the -use-the-force-luke= option in growisofs .. I haven't done so myself yet though |
| 09:27.30 | enouf | er btw |
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| 09:28.02 | enouf | ewanm89: wen you find out .. let me know .. i've been wondering for over a year now ..:-P |
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| 09:28.24 | enouf | s/wen/when |
| 09:29.23 | ewanm89 | I've looked through all the x and kdm configuration, but can't find anything for kdm! |
| 09:29.40 | enouf | I know .. that's wht i stopped using it :-P |
| 09:29.49 | enouf | s/wht/why |
| 09:30.09 | liable | ewanm89: its somewhere in /usr/share iirc, sec, lemme see if i can find |
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| 09:30.48 | enouf | ewanm89: actually in sarge it works, but they kde broke it in latter versions .. not only that, they beat it with a stick to a pulp and buried it |
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| 09:32.13 | enouf | happy hunting liable :-) .. they may have made some kind iof screwed up XML ofrmatted crap like gnome did .. who knows |
| 09:33.37 | liable | ewanm89: /usr/share/xsession/foo.desktop |
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| 09:33.38 | liable | s/xsession/xsessions/ |
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| 09:34.18 | enouf | !lose liable |
| 09:34.18 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 09:34.30 | liable | ignorant fucker left |
| 09:34.34 | liable | enouf: why? |
| 09:34.35 | akifdino_ | i'm getting a Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) when i try to load the module lirc_serial, but i made it with the source headers i have for my kernel 2.6.18-3 what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:34.39 | enouf | ouch |
| 09:35.00 | liable | akifdino_: same gcc version? |
| 09:35.08 | akifdino_ | liable: ahhh |
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| 09:35.19 | akifdino_ | liable: how can i find out which gcc compiled the installed kernel? |
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| 09:35.28 | liable | akifdino_: cat /proc/version |
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| 09:36.12 | enouf | liable: as in /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop ? .. what mkes you think that kdm sessions will show up there? .. where's the documentation anyway? wtf? .. there's no comments in that file |
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| 09:36.22 | akifdino_ | liable: the installed kernel was compiled with 4.1.2 and running one installed is also 4.1.2 |
| 09:37.12 | liable | enouf: i just vaguely recall it when i needed an entry for e17, go google |
| 09:37.19 | liable | akifdino_: bugger |
| 09:37.28 | akifdino_ | liable: what is bugger? |
| 09:37.29 | liable | akifdino_: run depmod -ae |
| 09:37.49 | akifdino_ | ok, how can this help? |
| 09:37.54 | enouf | I mean I have IceWM, Fluxbox, and so many other installed i can't recall .. but NONE ever showed up undser kdm's session choices menu .. AND they entirely stripped out the "Console" choice .. what a dump .. |
| 09:38.29 | akifdino_ | liable: it didn't help unfortunately |
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| 09:38.40 | enouf | liable: no thanks.. but ok ..you really don't know then for sure .. i don't give a crap anymore about it .. they suck ass |
| 09:39.12 | liable | shrug |
| 09:39.22 | enouf | no worries .. |
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| 09:40.25 | liable | enouf: i dunno if we are talking about the same thing, i am talking about adding a wm option to the dm menu? |
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| 09:40.45 | enouf | yes .. for kdm though |
| 09:41.12 | liable | yes, should work.. |
| 09:41.19 | akifdino_ | i'm getting desperate with this lirc_serial module |
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| 09:41.55 | ewanm89 | Thanks that works except launching the script from failsafe works and from KDM it causes x to crash! |
| 09:42.00 | tarzeau | what's the right tool command to have all g++, cpp, gcc point to the right version? |
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| 09:43.55 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives ? |
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| 09:44.58 | enouf | export HOSTSCC= and CC= .. I think (soemthing like that).. and that's only for a per session basis .. but maybe ldconfig can be used |
| 09:45.09 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: and the full command? |
| 09:45.20 | tarzeau | not something with gcc-defaults? |
| 09:45.37 | enouf | update-alternatives doesn't allow selection of gcc and friends AFAIR |
| 09:46.44 | liable | great, kernel upgrade on my headless sarge box has gone awry |
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| 09:48.28 | akifdino_ | the module package that i've build for lirc-modules is installed into /lib/modules/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3 is this correct? shouldn't it be installed into /lib/modules/2.6.18-3 ? |
| 09:48.45 | jetscreamer | export CC= ? |
| 09:49.03 | akifdino_ | jetscreamer: is this comment for me? |
| 09:49.09 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:49.18 | liable | akifdino_: thats certainly not the right path |
| 09:49.21 | jetscreamer | !m-a |
| 09:49.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 09:49.41 | jetscreamer | that was though |
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| 09:50.24 | akifdino_ | liable: and the modules there which is build for lirc end with .o but the running kernel have modules which end with .ko |
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| 09:51.58 | Flightbase | any apt mirror, where i can get 2.6.20.2? i have some bad trouble with my asus P5B-VM mainboard.... |
| 09:52.18 | tarzeau | Flightbase: you can build your own using make-kpkg (kernel-package)? |
| 09:52.44 | liable | akifdino_: hrm, yeah, 2.6 modules usually end with .ko |
| 09:52.47 | Flightbase | tarzeau, sure. but i dont want to |
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| 09:53.02 | liable | akifdino_: how are you even loading them with that path? |
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| 09:53.16 | liable | akifdino_: i suggest you read the install file again |
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| 09:53.38 | liable | yay, my sarge box decided to talk to me again |
| 09:53.45 | akifdino_ | liable: i did read the install file, actually i'm trying to load the module with modprobe |
| 09:54.58 | liable | akifdino_: weird, cause the kernel-headers directory is a symlink |
| 09:55.05 | liable | or should be |
| 09:55.20 | akifdino_ | yes it is linux -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 09:55.24 | liable | akifdino_: you have something weird going on there |
| 09:55.39 | akifdino_ | liable: yes unfortunately, but i don't know how to start fixing it |
| 09:56.03 | liable | akifdino_: see if the makefile has any interesting comments |
| 09:56.10 | dusty-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.31 | akifdino_ | liable: which makefile? |
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| 09:57.24 | zimnyx | How can i see extended status about laptop battery? especiali its capacity |
| 09:57.26 | liable | akifdino_: for the module you are making |
| 09:57.53 | akifdino_ | liable: when i say make-kpkg in the linux headers tree there is a echo which is telling something aobut 2.6.18-10 which is not 2.6.18-3, does this make a difference? |
| 09:57.56 | liable | zimnyx: in /proc or /sys usually |
| 09:58.18 | liable | akifdino_: are you making the module with kpkg? |
| 09:58.36 | akifdino_ | yes, as it was said in the readme |
| 09:58.57 | liable | akifdino_: try just building it with make in the source dir |
| 09:59.10 | liable | akifdino_: its a debian package then? |
| 09:59.14 | akifdino_ | i used this http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Debian_-_LIRC_Installation |
| 09:59.21 | liable | akifdino_: if it is, you should be able to use m-a |
| 09:59.31 | akifdino_ | m-a ? |
| 09:59.39 | liable | module assistant |
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| 10:00.59 | liable | weird, i have one web site that firefox decided to show my banks favicon for, i deleted the bookmark, now ff is showing googles favicon.. |
| 10:01.54 | akifdino_ | liable: m-a did make a proper module and it is installed know |
| 10:02.11 | liable | akifdino_: fixed? |
| 10:02.37 | akifdino_ | liable: yes, i said m-a to make lirc-modules and it did it for me. now they are loaded lirc_serial and lirc_dev |
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| 10:02.42 | akifdino_ | liable: thank you very much |
| 10:02.46 | liable | akifdino_: nice |
| 10:02.53 | liable | you're welcome |
| 10:03.18 | akifdino_ | liable: but i suppose there is still something wrong with the hole kernel tree |
| 10:03.52 | akifdino_ | liable: will those modules be loaded during bootup? |
| 10:04.04 | liable | akifdino_: i suspect the source packages files for kpkg, but who cares, it works now. :) |
| 10:04.17 | liable | akifdino_: if udev/hotplug detects the hardware, yes |
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| 10:04.32 | liable | akifdino_: if not, just add them to /etc/modules |
| 10:04.43 | akifdino_ | liable: how can i test if udev/hotplug detects the hardware ? |
| 10:04.52 | liable | akifdino_: reboot |
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| 10:09.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:09.21 | ntt | hi. |
| 10:09.21 | dpkg | qotd171 is probably <opensores> A readme is telling me to type '/sbin/ifconfig ra0 inet YOUR_IP up' but what do I replace YOUR_IP with? |
| 10:11.47 | ma3x | atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xee on isa0060/serio0). |
| 10:11.47 | ma3x | atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e06e <keycode>' to make it known. |
| 10:12.06 | ma3x | when I enable the mousepad on my laptop, I get those |
| 10:12.31 | ma3x | what will happen if I do that setkeycodes thingie? |
| 10:12.31 | ma3x | will it become like 'touchpad' enabled? |
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| 10:14.05 | ntt | hmm.. I want to instal debian, what version I shall to try? |
| 10:14.13 | liable | thats a bit of a weird message for a touchpad |
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| 10:14.21 | liable | ntt: get etch |
| 10:14.22 | thrall | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch <- I get this. Just thought I'd let you guys know. |
| 10:14.39 | liable | thrall: just try another mirror |
| 10:14.41 | thrall | ..I get this when running apt-get update |
| 10:14.48 | thrall | allright. |
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| 10:15.18 | ntt | it's preaty stable? |
| 10:15.41 | liable | ntt: its about to be released as stable, any year now.. :) |
| 10:15.59 | ntt | thx ;-) |
| 10:16.00 | thrall | hah |
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| 10:17.53 | Eclipser | I wonder why acpi didn't load battery and button modules on boot now :o |
| 10:18.17 | liable | acpi doesnt load modules... blame udev |
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| 10:18.52 | Eclipser | ok whatever :) |
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| 10:19.35 | ntt | hm.. when I yesterday instal fc6 and then try to update it, system slows.. when I use ubuntu all works fine, so maybe on debian too, sory for my english. |
| 10:21.25 | ntt | one more question.. is there list of packets on debian cd's? I asking beacause I have slow connection and I dont know how many cd i need to instal. |
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| 10:21.58 | Savar | ntt, why don't you take the netinst? |
| 10:22.10 | Eclipser | liable, there's a list of modules in /etc/default/acpid which it should load when it starts :) |
| 10:22.32 | liable | after 2 months of no sid upgrades, time to see if an upgrade has broken my pretty beryl, brb |
| 10:22.44 | liable | Eclipser: err, really?? |
| 10:22.50 | Eclipser | yep |
| 10:23.11 | ntt | Savar: my connection speed is realy slow :-( |
| 10:23.33 | liable | Eclipser: so it is, check /var/log/acpid |
| 10:24.02 | Savar | ntt, yeah but you will only! download the packages you want to (instead of downloading one or more cd's) |
| 10:24.13 | liable | Eclipser: never had to use that file, but, yeah, i guess it should do as advertised |
| 10:24.20 | Eclipser | ahhaha |
| 10:24.39 | Eclipser | /var/log/acpid has a lot of modprobe usage lines :p |
| 10:24.50 | liable | heh |
| 10:25.16 | ntt | know that buth maybe better way be download of first 2 cd's in work maybe? heh |
| 10:25.19 | liable | Eclipser: with problems?? |
| 10:25.22 | Eclipser | nope |
| 10:25.35 | liable | and the modules arent loaded? |
| 10:25.41 | Eclipser | it just has like 5-6 times what modprobe says when it's called without arguments |
| 10:25.47 | Savar | ntt, then download the dvd's ;-) |
| 10:25.54 | liable | brb |
| 10:27.22 | ntt | I dont have dvd at home. |
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| 10:28.44 | Savar | ntt, that's a problem.. hmm.. http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#list-image-contents |
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| 10:29.52 | ntt | thx |
| 10:30.39 | slaapt | elo tahr! |
| 10:32.06 | wookienz | whats the command in "VI" to go tp the end of the file... scrolling through syslog takes too long! |
| 10:32.39 | Savar | G |
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| 10:37.45 | wookienz | Savar, ta |
| 10:38.01 | liable | excellant, no major borkage for x in 2 months |
| 10:38.08 | enouf | wookienz: hows the PageUp/Down buttins work? .. how about the Home/End button |
| 10:38.26 | liable | oooh, icesweasal has a blue icon now.. |
| 10:38.39 | enouf | !iconsmite liable |
| 10:39.06 | enouf | Eclipser: a craptop? |
| 10:39.07 | liable | !smitesmite enouf |
| 10:39.30 | Eclipser | enouf, have you seen a desktop box with a battery before? |
| 10:39.53 | enouf | Eclipser: wrong question |
| 10:39.55 | liable | cmos!! |
| 10:40.00 | Eclipser | hehe |
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| 10:40.08 | enouf | Eclipser: all my acpid modules are loaded :-P |
| 10:40.16 | enouf | and it;s a Desktop :-P |
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| 10:41.04 | enouf | Eclipser: Sony vaio? . stinkpad? |
| 10:41.13 | Eclipser | compaq armada e500 |
| 10:41.39 | enouf | ouch .. ala 1995? |
| 10:41.49 | Eclipser | '98 or something |
| 10:41.58 | enouf | hehe .. give it up :-P |
| 10:42.01 | Eclipser | no! |
| 10:42.27 | enouf | Eclipser: does dmesg | grep ACPi put out many lines (here we go again) |
| 10:42.40 | enouf | er ACPI, or grep -i acpi |
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| 10:42.44 | pzn | Hi. After changing the processor from amd-k7 to opteron, my debian etch stopped working some elf binaries (mainly my programs - they output wrong results). is there any incompatibility? If I put the HD back in k7 it works well again. how to solve this? (tried kernel 2.6-amd-k8 and also -k7 in the new processor) |
| 10:42.49 | liable | 98 era computers dont do acpi... |
| 10:43.09 | enouf | liable: mine does .. albeit not very well atm :-p |
| 10:43.22 | enouf | liable: more like 99/2000 though |
| 10:43.53 | Eclipser | I'm not totally sure how old this is :) |
| 10:44.01 | enouf | and it ain't a craptop wither ..which we know are always behind |
| 10:44.02 | mimique | Everything has falles to pieces! |
| 10:44.06 | mimique | :o |
| 10:44.06 | Eclipser | but yes, there's a lot of ACPI crap in dmesg |
| 10:44.09 | mimique | [/spam] |
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| 10:44.16 | Eclipser | and it DID load the modules before |
| 10:44.21 | Eclipser | not sure what I broke :) |
| 10:44.25 | enouf | Eclipser: what's cat /proc/cmdline say? |
| 10:44.30 | Eclipser | I loaded them manually and it worked.. |
| 10:44.48 | Eclipser | root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 10:44.57 | enouf | and uname -r ? |
| 10:45.06 | Eclipser | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 10:46.00 | enouf | ok .. try a /etc/init.d/acpid restart .. see if they load .. |
| 10:46.51 | Eclipser | I'm not sure if it unloaded them because I did load them manually before :o |
| 10:47.09 | sangriag | hi: the bcm43xx didn't work. Installed ndiswrapper and the driver too. As soon as the bcm43xx module was blacklisted the eth1 (which was pointed to wireless card) disappeared. Any idea how to enable the wireless network? I have etch-amd64 and followed the ndiswrapper wiki for etch at sf.net |
| 10:49.13 | wookienz | is there any chat rooms for squirellmail? |
| 10:49.38 | peterS | wookienz: dunno but you probably want to spell it "squirrelmail" so your searching will get more hits |
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| 10:49.51 | SlayerXP | wookienz: you only get chat rooms on AOL, the internet has channels. |
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| 10:50.05 | wookienz | SlayerXP, as always wise words. |
| 10:50.24 | wookienz | anyone want to help debug a "squirrel" anyway? |
| 10:50.43 | wookienz | SlayerXP, peters, i have been here on and off for about 6 months,,, you guys live here? |
| 10:50.51 | peterS | maybe |
| 10:51.07 | SlayerXP | i'm spending some time here for tax reasons |
| 10:51.18 | wookienz | lol |
| 10:52.03 | enouf | Eclipser: also make certain the modules you want aren't blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist .. NOR any of their dependent modules ... you'll likely need |
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| 10:52.13 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 10:52.20 | SlayerXP | hello. |
| 10:52.22 | Chris-NB | in which package is makeinfo located? |
| 10:52.24 | un1xer | hi, guys, i'm looking for some advise suiching from a ctr monitor to a lcd in debian etch |
| 10:52.26 | Chris-NB | I can't find it : / |
| 10:52.34 | SlayerXP | Chris-NB: http://packages.debian.org |
| 10:52.40 | Eclipser | enouf, would they load manually if they were there? |
| 10:53.15 | Chris-NB | SlayerXP, makeinfo is a program name, but I need the package which contains that prog |
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| 10:53.37 | sangriag | the wireless eth1 disappeared as soon as I disabled bcm43xx module and could not get back again with ndiswrapper, help to make my broadcom wireless work |
| 10:53.37 | Savar | Chris-NB, apt-file |
| 10:53.39 | SlayerXP | Chris-NB: yes, and p.d.o lets you search for files _within_ packages |
| 10:53.45 | un1xer | any thing on the fonts config... |
| 10:53.47 | enouf | Eclipser: pretty sure .. but not entirely |
| 10:54.01 | Chris-NB | SlayerXP, ok. thanks |
| 10:54.12 | enouf | Eclipser: especially since modprobe resolves dependencies |
| 10:54.20 | Savar | sangriag, does ndiswrapper say anything? |
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| 10:55.05 | sangriag | Savar: ndiswrapper -l shows that driver present hardware present |
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| 10:56.17 | Eclipser | enouf, doesn't seem to be there |
| 10:57.06 | Savar | sangriag, you have ndiswrapper with 64 bit? |
| 10:57.11 | sangriag | yes |
| 10:57.26 | Savar | and the driver (windows) is also the 64 bit Version? |
| 10:57.29 | sangriag | I compiled as stated in the ndiswrapper.sf.net |
| 10:57.43 | enouf | Eclipser: does grep -i battery /boot/config-$(uname -r) return a =m ? also for button? |
| 10:58.10 | sangriag | it said 64-bit |
| 10:58.40 | Savar | ok and you did "depmod -a" and "modprobe ndiswrapper" ? |
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| 10:58.55 | T0bsn | hi |
| 10:59.03 | Savar | hi T0bsn |
| 10:59.24 | Flightbase | anyone got a asus P5B-VM mainboard? |
| 10:59.43 | enouf | Jmicron controller issue> Flightbase > |
| 10:59.44 | enouf | ? |
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| 10:59.56 | pzn | is there any problem of running debian/etch/i386 in amd-opteron-64? (using the standard i386 binaries, not from amd64 porting) |
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| 11:00.05 | Flightbase | enouf, i solved that with a experimental kernel |
| 11:00.18 | Flightbase | enouf, the RTL8111 wont work |
| 11:00.19 | enouf | Flightbase: i965? |
| 11:00.29 | Flightbase | nic is out of order... |
| 11:00.30 | enouf | or i975x ? |
| 11:00.35 | T0bsn | is there a ccommand line tool that shows x lines from line y? |
| 11:00.39 | T0bsn | from a file |
| 11:00.44 | Flightbase | 965 |
| 11:00.48 | enouf | Flightbase: ICH7 or 8 or 9? |
| 11:00.55 | Flightbase | ich8 |
| 11:00.55 | enouf | 7 likely |
| 11:00.59 | enouf | ooo |
| 11:01.06 | sangriag | savar, I did modprobe ndiswrapper and included in /etc/modules |
| 11:01.17 | enouf | right the i975x uses ICH7 ..duh .. mostly |
| 11:01.28 | Flightbase | problem: i cant put another NIC into that server... it`s 2HE |
| 11:01.29 | enouf | the ich8 has no pata support |
| 11:01.32 | Savar | and what does syslog/dmesg said after modprobing? |
| 11:02.02 | Flightbase | enouf, everthing is working fine - but the RTL8111/8168B NIC sucks |
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| 11:02.27 | enouf | Realtek right? |
| 11:02.47 | Flightbase | ya |
| 11:03.04 | enouf | Flightbase: well ,., you;re using a custom kernel |
| 11:03.12 | Flightbase | no |
| 11:03.19 | enouf | Flightbase: is there module support for it yer? |
| 11:03.30 | enouf | oh .. i see ..exp kernel |
| 11:03.36 | Flightbase | experimental http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/?C=M;O=D |
| 11:03.43 | enouf | right |
| 11:03.49 | Flightbase | but it should have module support ;) |
| 11:04.02 | enouf | and it doesn't? |
| 11:04.04 | Flightbase | sorry, tel. |
| 11:04.09 | Flightbase | it does |
| 11:04.11 | Flightbase | brb |
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| 11:05.32 | enouf | dpkg: where were you |
| 11:05.32 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
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| 11:07.01 | gregors | Ok one question ...how do I install most basic sound system on debian ...what packages ..I need to install on server. Is it possible to start system without reboot?? |
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| 11:07.12 | compDo | how to I pass the option "noacpi" to a kernel? |
| 11:07.36 | Savar | sangriag, ? |
| 11:07.50 | Savar | compDo, grub || lilo |
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| 11:08.11 | compDo | Savar: grub |
| 11:08.39 | sangriag | Savar, I am trying to remove the driver I downloaded and downloaded from other location to see it that works |
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| 11:08.45 | sangriag | just a minute |
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| 11:08.59 | Savar | compDo, /boot/grub/menu.lst <-- search the "kernel" line and put at the end "noacpi" |
| 11:09.21 | Savar | sangriag, ok ;-) |
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| 11:09.25 | gregors | anyone ? |
| 11:09.49 | Savar | gregors, alsa-base i think.. but not sure |
| 11:09.57 | gregors | ok |
| 11:10.00 | gregors | tnx |
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| 11:10.17 | compDo | Savar: thank you |
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| 11:11.04 | dury | hi there channel:) |
| 11:11.52 | tenzing_ | hi ... does debian have quicktime? |
| 11:12.21 | dury | when a new release of debian? |
| 11:12.23 | Flightbase | enouf, back |
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| 11:12.26 | sangriag | Savar: how to add a wireless network in etch? |
| 11:12.28 | dav__ | elo |
| 11:12.35 | Flightbase | dury, when its done ;) |
| 11:12.40 | sangriag | I meant after installing the ndiswrapper |
| 11:13.07 | dury | I'm downloading 31r5 for powerpc |
| 11:13.33 | dav__ | i have a fucking problem, i installed debian on my laptop but there is no wifi support even my card detected by live cds like knoppix or others isn't detected whereas it s atheros ... can someone give me some help i have to travel tomorrow and i have to have my linux working :( |
| 11:13.37 | Savar | sangriag, ? what do you mean exactly? |
| 11:13.44 | Savar | ah ok.. |
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| 11:13.58 | dav__ | i have a fucking problem, i installed debian on my laptop but there is no wifi support even my card detected by live cds like knoppix or others isn't detected whereas it s atheros ( |
| 11:14.05 | dury | I've heard a new release it's coming soon |
| 11:14.16 | enouf | Flightbase: I prolly ain't going to be much help .. have you been to kmuto.jp/debian/hcl ? |
| 11:14.23 | Savar | sangriag, ndiswrapper -i filename.inf |
| 11:14.29 | sangriag | dav__: I am also whining for days |
| 11:14.33 | dury | 3.1 it's sarge |
| 11:14.51 | sangriag | Savar: I already did it. and the driver and hardware present are shown |
| 11:14.55 | dury | how's gonna called the next one |
| 11:15.05 | Savar | sangriag, modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 11:15.17 | sangriag | Savar: done already and depmod -a too |
| 11:15.20 | Savar | dmesg | tail -n 4 |
| 11:15.49 | Savar | dav__, is it detected? lspci |
| 11:16.03 | dav__ | but me i normally don't have to use ndiswrapper the card works without ndiswrapper like i said it s detected by many pther live cd but debian hard install doesn't detect me |
| 11:16.08 | enouf | dury Etch is 4.0, then Lenny vecomes testing once etch gies stable |
| 11:16.12 | dav__ | Savar, yes it appears |
| 11:16.19 | enouf | er becomes* |
| 11:16.23 | dav__ | Savar, this is a pcmcia card |
| 11:16.26 | sangriag | Savar: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 11:16.29 | dav__ | Savar, Netgear WGT511 |
| 11:16.50 | sangriag | Savar: do I need to boot with kernel parameters noapic nolapic? |
| 11:16.59 | Flightbase | enouf, checked it now. no entry |
| 11:16.59 | Savar | dav__, uh.. thats not in the kernel i think.. look at google for this card |
| 11:17.12 | Savar | sangriag, maybe.. could be (make a try) |
| 11:17.20 | dury | enouf: good.... is it possible to do apt-get install xfce |
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| 11:18.30 | enouf | dury: sure .. I think so .. on which distribution? |
| 11:18.37 | enouf | erm release? |
| 11:18.38 | sangriag | Savar: let me reboot with normal kernel parameters and then Ishall come back |
| 11:18.42 | enouf | Flightbase: |
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| 11:18.48 | dury | debian 3.1 |
| 11:19.00 | dav__ | Savar, :( |
| 11:19.12 | enouf | Flightbase: can you use modprobe -l | grep rt* |
| 11:19.18 | dav__ | Savar, can't understand qhy it works with fucking live cd and not with proper debian |
| 11:19.34 | enouf | !info xfce sarge |
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| 11:19.54 | Savar | dav__ http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
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| 11:20.48 | enouf | dury: do apt-cache search -n xfce and choose what you want then install |
| 11:20.52 | Savar | dav__ because of the policy |
| 11:21.08 | dav__ | Savar, 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 11:21.41 | dav__ | Savar, but madwifi disable many properties of the card, promesceous mode etc... |
| 11:21.58 | enouf | !info xfwm4 sarge |
| 11:22.04 | dpkg | xfwm4: (window manager of the XFce project), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.6-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 511 kB, Installed size: 1620 kB |
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| 11:22.15 | enouf | ^^ you prolly want that .. dunno |
| 11:22.23 | dury | enouf: xfce it's light desktop as fluxbox |
| 11:22.23 | Flightbase | enouf, uhm? |
| 11:22.24 | enouf | dury: && |
| 11:23.01 | Savar | dav__ why do you need promicious mode? |
| 11:23.18 | enouf | Flightbase: can you use as root/sudo--> modprobe -l | grep rt* |
| 11:23.37 | Flightbase | ya, but what for? |
| 11:24.34 | enouf | Flightbase: sorry |
| 11:24.50 | enouf | Flightbase: try modprobe -l | grep net | less |
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| 11:26.10 | Flightbase | enouf, i still don`t get the point |
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| 11:26.32 | enouf | bah .. i'm going back to bed.. apologies .. stupid assed shit |
| 11:26.34 | Flightbase | i just realize, that USB sucks on P5B-VM too |
| 11:26.41 | enouf | Flightbase: not youy .. the system |
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| 11:30.36 | sander | Hello. I have a HP ProLiant ML370 G3 with Debian/etch installed. After running for a couple of hours it suddently reboots. How can I find out what happened? I've looked at /var/log/messages etcetera but could not find anything. |
| 11:31.24 | liable | bleh, for some reason my xmodmap file isnt being read |
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| 11:41.17 | akifdino | my debian has somehow ipv6 enabled, where can i disable it? |
| 11:41.57 | Savar | akifdino, can you german? |
| 11:42.02 | akifdino | Savar: yes |
| 11:42.05 | Savar | sec. |
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| 11:42.31 | Savar | http://wiki.debianforum.de/IPv6Deaktivieren?highlight=%28IPv6%29 |
| 11:42.36 | akifdino | Savar: since my name sounds pretty german, ;-) |
| 11:42.50 | akifdino | Savar: thank you |
| 11:43.13 | Savar | nicht wirklich |
| 11:43.14 | Savar | :) |
| 11:43.23 | akifdino | hehe |
| 11:43.47 | akifdino | also i can not get lirc_serial loaded ad boot time, it says that the resource is busy |
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| 11:47.06 | jcdury | hi there channel |
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| 11:48.25 | Talnakh | hi everyone, could someone suggest me a blogging tool for Linux? |
| 11:48.39 | intruder | Talnakh: wordpress |
| 11:48.44 | intruder | joomla |
| 11:48.55 | misfitx7 | id like to build a dual core system, can any of you make any recomendations? any good or bad experiences |
| 11:49.04 | Talnakh | I mean so I can blog via XML-RPC |
| 11:49.10 | x_link | I can do apt-get remove --purge 2.6.18-3-k7 right? |
| 11:49.16 | x_link | I use 2.6.18-4-k7 now. |
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| 11:49.26 | litb | hi all! |
| 11:49.32 | litb | Fehl http://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de etch/main libasound2-dev 1.0.13-1 |
| 11:49.32 | litb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.35 | litb | i get that |
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| 11:49.42 | Ramattack | hello there! |
| 11:49.50 | litb | when i try to apt-get kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev |
| 11:49.54 | xand | apt-get update |
| 11:50.00 | Ramattack | does anybody know any compiz theme manager? |
| 11:50.01 | xand | or try a different mirror |
| 11:50.04 | litb | xand: why do you explode? |
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| 11:50.11 | litb | because of me? |
| 11:50.58 | litb | xand: oh thxx, it works |
| 11:51.00 | mimique | because of the c4 :o |
| 11:51.02 | un1xer | hi, are there any particular fonts that i should install when moving from a ctr to lcd? |
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| 11:51.13 | litb | c4 ? |
| 11:51.35 | litb | isn't kdelibs4-dev the right package to work with when i want to develop for kde3 ? |
| 11:51.59 | litb | there wasn't any kdelibs3-dev around |
| 11:52.21 | litb | or does the 4 mean it is for gcc4.x ? |
| 11:52.31 | Savar | un1xer, the -transcoded fonts packages |
| 11:52.33 | elshaa | how can I list files that have been changed in the year xxxx ? |
| 11:52.53 | un1xer | Savar: thanks! any other advise? |
| 11:53.00 | sander | Hello. How can I investigate why my Etch box crashes and reboots? |
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| 11:53.42 | akifdino | could it be that setserial is loaded after loading modules like lirc_serial ? |
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| 11:57.37 | Savar | sander, x or console? |
| 11:57.58 | liable | sander: your logs, if there arent any, then you should run some diagnostic tools |
| 11:58.10 | sander | Savar: console. What logs should I look in? |
| 11:58.39 | sander | Savar: I have a /var/logs/faillog but less says it's binary |
| 11:58.48 | Savar | sander, no i want to know if it crashes while you're in the console or in X |
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| 11:59.22 | sander | Savar: X is not installed. It's running Xen with two guests: a webserver and a file server |
| 11:59.34 | liable | sander: kern.log, messages |
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| 11:59.46 | akifdino | Savar: hast du vielleicht noch etwas zu utf8 und deutsche zeichen? ;-) |
| 11:59.56 | Ramattack | bye mates |
| 12:00.11 | Savar | ?hm fragt sich wobei? x oder console oder wo meinst du? |
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| 12:01.19 | akifdino | Savar: fuer die konsole |
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| 12:01.29 | Sus | hi |
| 12:01.36 | Sus | can somebody help me |
| 12:01.38 | Savar | akifdino, hmm.. die Umlaute funktionieren nicht oder wie meinst du? |
| 12:01.53 | Sus | I need mpls support under linux |
| 12:01.55 | sander | liable: Nothing in the logs. Just the standard boot messages, then 3 hours later: Mar 13 13:10:25 domain0 syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. |
| 12:02.00 | Sus | but howto |
| 12:02.12 | enouf | Backport a number of upstream fixes for the r8169 driver, needed for network performance (closes: 388870, 400524) - r8169: more alignment for the 0x8168, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 now modprobe r8169 , that stinkin puppy |
| 12:02.15 | akifdino | doch, aber es gibt sehr merkwuerdige zeichen, wenn auf die ncurses zugegriffen wird |
| 12:02.37 | Savar | was sagen denn deine LC_ Variablen? Hast du damit mal rumgespielt? |
| 12:02.42 | Ronin | !de |
| 12:02.43 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:03.04 | akifdino | Savar: de_de:UTF-8 aber mir kommt es so vor, als wuerde mir da ein font fehlen |
| 12:03.34 | Sus | pls help me |
| 12:03.43 | Sus | it's important |
| 12:04.17 | enouf | also might want to run update-pciids, and dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.xxxxxx |
| 12:05.27 | enouf | Flightbase: ^^^ |
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| 12:05.47 | Sus | i haven't got any kernel moduls to support mpls |
| 12:06.02 | Savar | akifdino, siehst du wenn ich dir priv antworte? ich bin nicht registriert |
| 12:06.13 | akifdino | Savar: neee leider nicht |
| 12:06.20 | akifdino | Savar: schande |
| 12:06.26 | enouf | what is mpls .. mips select? |
| 12:06.44 | Sus | mpls=multiprotocol label switching |
| 12:06.48 | Savar | akifdino, hmm.. CODEPAGE in Kernel? |
| 12:06.49 | enouf | that can't be corrct |
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| 12:07.18 | akifdino | Savar: ist auch ok, ich hatte es auch mal am laufen, aber das war nur manuell konfiguriert und ich weiss nicht mehr wie. |
| 12:07.35 | wols | Savar, akifdino: #debian.de |
| 12:07.36 | enouf | that sounds painful , whatever it is |
| 12:07.42 | zamuro | !de |
| 12:07.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:07.45 | akifdino | wols: ohh yes |
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| 12:08.08 | akifdino | Savar: bist du auf #debian.de ? |
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| 12:08.43 | Rippey | hello |
| 12:09.13 | Savar | akifdino, jetzt schon. |
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| 12:09.18 | Rippey | can i do a sarge debian installer on a etch ? i dont know how to works to take libc package etc ? |
| 12:09.20 | Savar | wols, what is the problem? |
| 12:09.37 | wols | the problem is you talking german in here |
| 12:09.39 | zamuro | akifdino: Englisch, bitte ^_^ |
| 12:09.49 | Sus | than,can somebody help me?(mpls) |
| 12:10.07 | wols | Rippey: the way to install stuff hasn't changed between etch and sarge |
| 12:10.15 | zamuro | Sus: Wether you install sarge _or_ etch |
| 12:10.21 | Savar | wols, yeah i know.. but i can't figure out whats the _problem_ is about.. |
| 12:10.42 | wols | Savar: either talk english or go to #debian.de, that's it |
| 12:10.52 | zamuro | Amen! |
| 12:10.54 | zamuro | LOL |
| 12:10.55 | wols | in a channel with 700+ people one has to follow some rules. you don't |
| 12:11.01 | yettenet | Hi there... I've heard that Ubuntu is rather slow in comparison with several other distros and I was thinking about switching to Debian GNU/Linux... is it worth switching? I mean, would I experience better performance and such? |
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| 12:11.35 | wols | yettenet: linux (even ubuntu) is what you make of it. yes it's easier, much easier to make denbian leaner |
| 12:11.52 | wols | i's then also not so "comfortable", you have to do stuff on your own then |
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| 12:12.02 | zamuro | yettenet: Depends on how commited you are to learn some stuff and read about it. If you're a lazy ass who likes to click "next" and make no efforts, keep using ubuntu |
| 12:12.03 | wols | main reason ubuntu seems slow is it's memory usage |
| 12:12.26 | yettenet | I thought the main source of mem usage is the Desktop Environment |
| 12:12.39 | wols | yes, but it's not alone |
| 12:12.59 | wols | there are many things in the background you don't see which contrinute to it |
| 12:13.05 | yettenet | I see... |
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| 12:13.19 | wols | and you can run another DE in ubuntu too. but that's only half the slimming down |
| 12:13.31 | yettenet | What's the other half? |
| 12:13.41 | wols | background daemon, support libs |
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| 12:14.28 | litb | hmm, i need hwmon/k8temp module for lm_sensors, but it is only included in 2.6.19 and debian testing has only 2.6.18 |
| 12:14.35 | litb | any way i can get it? |
| 12:14.48 | wols | compile your own kernel |
| 12:14.54 | wols | is at least one solution |
| 12:14.57 | yettenet | And if I understand you correctly, you say that an out-of-the-box Debian uses less memory due to having fewer libs in the memory and a somewhat different daemon? |
| 12:15.10 | yettenet | (I'm not sure what daemon is) |
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| 12:15.27 | wols | it uses less memroy cause it has less shit loaded and does less for you in the background |
| 12:15.35 | yettenet | I see :P |
| 12:15.39 | wols | no fancy autmounting stuff and the like |
| 12:15.49 | liable | err |
| 12:15.56 | wols | either youdo stuff yourself or it doesn't get done |
| 12:16.04 | akifdino | my lirc_serial gets not loaded during startup, it says that the resource is busy, could it be that the module is loaded before setserial? |
| 12:16.37 | yettenet | wols: Interesting one... Well, I think the next step'll be a Debian distro for me... until then, I'll try to learn more and more about Linux :P |
| 12:16.39 | wols | IIRC setserial isn't used anymore |
| 12:16.48 | yettenet | Thanks for the help :) |
| 12:16.58 | akifdino | wols: and how is it managed then? |
| 12:17.21 | wols | no clue. just heard I think guerin talk about it |
| 12:17.25 | wols | check your init.d script |
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| 12:17.52 | wols | it's also the place to check if your suspicion is true |
| 12:18.05 | wols | that and rc2.d that is |
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| 12:18.23 | akifdino | wols: which script loads the modules? to compare it. |
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| 12:20.19 | space_ninja | when I install firefox I get some iceweasel instead, why? |
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| 12:20.29 | wols | grep /etc/modules /etc/init.d/* |
| 12:20.36 | wols | !tell space_ninja about iceweasel |
| 12:20.47 | wols | space_ninja: trademark problel. relax it's firefox under another name |
| 12:21.24 | space_ninja | but then I want to remove firefox, I want one program with one name |
| 12:21.54 | space_ninja | how about the plugins for iceweasel? |
| 12:22.00 | space_ninja | are they the same as firefox? |
| 12:22.11 | space_ninja | like the flash plugin |
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| 12:22.35 | wols | yes. all is the same exceot some icons and the name |
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| 12:22.54 | space_ninja | aha ok |
| 12:23.09 | akifdino | wols: it is obviously /etc/init.d/module-init-tools and modutils but those are not linked to any runlevels |
| 12:23.35 | wols | akifdino: rc2.d |
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| 12:24.11 | akifdino | wols: not, it is not started at all here in rc2.d |
| 12:24.49 | wols | find /etc -name *modutils* |
| 12:24.57 | wols | probably rcS.d or such |
| 12:25.28 | akifdino | i did this already and it just shows up in /etc/cron.daily/moduitls /etc/init.d/modutils /etc/modutils |
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| 12:25.50 | wols | you didnd't do this |
| 12:26.04 | wols | you ran find /etc -name modutils |
| 12:26.09 | wols | which is of course wrong |
| 12:26.17 | Flightbase | enouf, thats 8169 - but i got 8111 |
| 12:26.24 | akifdino | her it is rcS.d S20 |
| 12:26.39 | akifdino | wols: pardon, i found it in rcS.d starts with 20 |
| 12:26.57 | wols | np |
| 12:27.52 | akifdino | wols: but i can not change the run priority from modutils in rcS.d after setserial in rc2.d . so how would be theworkaround in order to get lirc_serial loaded? |
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| 12:28.19 | space_ninja | was fluxbox a good choice for a window manager? I haven't tried everyone. |
| 12:28.27 | wols | use a rc.local |
| 12:28.35 | akifdino | wols: how you mean? |
| 12:28.56 | wols | create your own init script for it |
| 12:29.04 | wols | hence. rc.local |
| 12:29.16 | wols | !tell akifdino about rc.local |
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| 12:29.49 | liable | post sarge includes provision for rc.local |
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| 12:30.23 | akifdino | ok, thank you. alsoi found out that there are two links in rcS.d one called S30etc-setserial and the other S46setserial what is the difference? |
| 12:31.08 | wols | ls -al on them to find out |
| 12:31.41 | akifdino | yes, i did and they are linked to two separeta file in init.d but are there two packages installed? |
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| 12:32.01 | wols | !tell akifdino about search |
| 12:32.20 | wols | dpkg -S will help you to determine that |
| 12:32.21 | dpkg | Dingos ate my will help you to determine that! |
| 12:32.43 | wols | dpkg: shaddup |
| 12:32.43 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 12:32.59 | JJ|Laptop | any idea if there's a way to parse the filename to compare the CRCs for errors? ike anything in []'s? |
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| 12:33.22 | wols | filenames vs CRC? |
| 12:33.27 | JJ|Laptop | yeah |
| 12:33.27 | wols | !confuse JJ|Laptop |
| 12:33.28 | dpkg | No, them are your gouda today, JJ|Laptop? breeches of the republic of liechtenstein with extra ham |
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| 12:34.53 | JJ|Laptop | wols: why is it confusing? |
| 12:35.32 | akifdino | wols: yes for sure setserial is called after modules loaded |
| 12:35.49 | wols | cause it makes not sense. rethink and repose your question/problem |
| 12:36.25 | JJ|Laptop | like how to parse this output from a crc check... |
| 12:36.29 | JJ|Laptop | "[Shinsen-Subs]_Tokyo_Majin_Gakuen_Kenpuchou_-_05_[AF5DD1F4].avi AF5DD1F4" |
| 12:36.42 | JJ|Laptop | with the crc result at the end and the original crc in the filename |
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| 12:38.42 | amphi | JJ|Laptop: to the untutored eye, they seem somewhat similar |
| 12:38.49 | space_ninja | which irc client do you guys use? |
| 12:39.09 | wols | space_ninja: irssi |
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| 12:39.22 | amphi | space_ninja: irssi |
| 12:39.28 | wols | JJ|Laptop: you need to write your own script most probably |
| 12:39.32 | space_ninja | ok |
| 12:39.36 | space_ninja | is it text based? |
| 12:39.51 | wols | yes |
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| 12:39.55 | space_ninja | cool |
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| 12:40.59 | space_ninja | I'm thinking about only having text based programs on my laptop, but I can't find a good terminal that is simple and transparent, do you have any suggestions? |
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| 12:41.13 | JJ|Laptop | i use irssi form my server over ssh from school |
| 12:42.20 | space_ninja | laptop, nice, have you an encrypted everything through ssh? |
| 12:42.41 | wols | space_ninja: mrxvt |
| 12:42.51 | space_ninja | or is it automatically encrpyted |
| 12:42.53 | JJ|Laptop | ssh is encrypted, isn't it? |
| 12:42.57 | JJ|Laptop | i think so |
| 12:42.59 | space_ninja | ok |
| 12:43.00 | wols | yes ot os |
| 12:43.06 | JJ|Laptop | it is? |
| 12:43.09 | JJ|Laptop | @ wols |
| 12:44.34 | JJ|Laptop | i still haven't figured out how to switch channel/server views |
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| 12:47.21 | space_ninja | how do I get my soundcard to work? I'm assuming that the kernel is compiled with as much stuff as possible. |
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| 12:49.20 | wols | !tell space_ninja about alsa one-liner |
| 12:49.40 | wols | JJ|Laptop: servers are switched with ctrl+X in window 1 |
| 12:50.00 | wols | channel views are switched with alt+<number>, or /window goto <number> |
| 12:50.32 | tenzing_ | hi ... is there an equivalent of dreamweaver in linux? |
| 12:51.17 | space_ninja | ok thanks, brb have to switch my tp cable because the wireless on the laptop doesn't work |
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| 12:51.44 | frtmonster | how can i disable my laptop's touchpad? |
| 12:52.16 | bas | hey all. i want to reinstall a package including its configuration files.. i thought i always had to do a 'apt-get --reinstall --purge install XXX', but that doesn't reinstall the config files... |
| 12:52.38 | simonrvn | !tell bas -about confmiss |
| 12:55.27 | wols | frtmonster: don't load the synaptic driver(s) |
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| 12:56.04 | amphi | frtmonster: I disabled mine in the bios |
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| 12:56.50 | frtmonster | amphi: hmm.. good idea |
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| 13:00.04 | space_ninja2 | heh, I'm using irssi :) |
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| 13:00.56 | dimon08 | hey can anyone please help me with authentication in squid? |
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| 13:01.29 | shao_lap | how do I do a french accent over a letter? o.O |
| 13:01.35 | shao_lap | its always just ยดa |
| 13:01.50 | JJ|Laptop | jsut don't do french shit... |
| 13:01.57 | shao_lap | yeah |
| 13:01.58 | uzer | is there any way to tell the kernel to not try to detect the partitions on a drive? |
| 13:02.07 | shao_lap | that would be my preference too |
| 13:02.24 | shao_lap | but I need to write a paper with a frensh name in it...over and over |
| 13:02.40 | JJ|Laptop | you could always google it |
| 13:02.47 | phreqmod | shao_lap, what accent? |
| 13:02.47 | JJ|Laptop | and see if it shows up with da accents |
| 13:02.50 | phreqmod | like, เ |
| 13:03.06 | phreqmod | (which probably doesn't appear, depending on several things) |
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| 13:03.21 | shao_lap | phreqmod, yeah |
| 13:03.24 | shao_lap | that accent |
| 13:03.30 | simonrvn | compose key |
| 13:03.36 | simonrvn | รฉ |
| 13:03.44 | JJ|Laptop | fuck, my nuts still hurt |
| 13:04.05 | JJ|Laptop | god dman gasoline |
| 13:04.07 | phreqmod | Well... I use a latin1-like keyboard, so I have special keys for that stuff... |
| 13:04.08 | space_ninja2 | join #politics |
| 13:04.10 | space_ninja2 | ops |
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| 13:04.30 | phreqmod | SOmeone told me that Shift+AltGR would initiate X "compose", but doesn't work for me |
| 13:04.35 | bas | simonrvn: you just used the !tell command on me... which explained me to use -o DPkg apt-get option, but it should have been -o Dpkg.. can i change this |
| 13:04.37 | simonrvn | doesn't matter, i'm not using a 'special' keyboard either |
| 13:04.44 | bas | simonrvn: 'answer' myself? |
| 13:04.49 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 13:05.10 | simonrvn | factoid =~ s,foo,bar, |
| 13:05.17 | wols | bas: /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 13:05.20 | shao_lap | hm |
| 13:05.28 | shao_lap | I dont even have a compose (=windows) key |
| 13:05.55 | bas | wols: how can i tell it to change a 'fact' ? |
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| 13:06.02 | simonrvn | ^^ |
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| 13:06.27 | space_ninja2 | hmm, aslaconf did get it to work.. |
| 13:06.32 | space_ninja2 | didn't |
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| 13:06.57 | space_ninja2 | should I recompile the kernel? |
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| 13:08.11 | lkthomas | guys, any of you using hplip with cups ? |
| 13:08.57 | dimir | Stiff upper lip! |
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| 13:10.04 | simonrvn | space_ninja2: debian kernel no, yours maybe; you sure you got the right driver? see www.alsa-project.org for your audio |
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| 13:11.54 | EtherNet | hello guys |
| 13:12.08 | EtherNet | anyone know why when I do ssh it takes like 40 seconds to give me the prompt for password.. |
| 13:12.17 | EtherNet | 30 seconds for checking the mail against exim, NFS to export, and so on |
| 13:12.32 | dimir | www.alsa-project.org down all day today damn it! |
| 13:13.08 | n3kl | When does cron.daily run? |
| 13:14.01 | dimir | n3kl: grep daily /etc/crontab |
| 13:14.33 | n3kl | dimir: ah, thanks |
| 13:15.12 | wols | EtherNet: disable reverse dns lookups |
| 13:15.25 | EtherNet | wols, where would I disable it? in dhcpd.conf ? |
| 13:15.42 | wols | sshd config |
| 13:16.12 | EtherNet | wols, but it's not only SSHD... all the services takes 30 seconds to answer.. exim does too, telnet, and so on |
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| 13:18.02 | wols | EtherNet: then I dunno. |
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| 13:20.22 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 13:20.33 | mimique | elo tahr |
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| 13:20.49 | nvz | anapivirtua: not yet but I am working on it |
| 13:21.35 | mimique | who wants to duplicate bitchx anyway |
| 13:21.40 | mimique | irssi ftw \o/ |
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| 13:24.33 | E-bola | Where can i find a sarge net install iso with a newer installer/kernel? The one i have doesnt apear to support my onboard nic |
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| 13:25.18 | xxl3w | when i'm trying to load rdesktop at startup from my .xsession file, it gives me an error if i put a & on the end |
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| 13:26.14 | wols | we are not psychic |
| 13:26.21 | xxl3w | ohh, lol |
| 13:26.33 | xxl3w | it's giving a desk space error, but there's plenty of space |
| 13:26.56 | xxl3w | if i take the & off, it runs the program fine, but as soon as i close the program, it logs back out |
| 13:27.06 | mimique | &. |
| 13:27.16 | b52laptop | hi |
| 13:27.23 | b52laptop | can someone take a look please http://paste.debian.net/23583 |
| 13:27.25 | wols | we're still not psychic |
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| 13:27.43 | wols | error messages are EXACT. you are not |
| 13:27.48 | b52laptop | mysql debian related error ! |
| 13:27.55 | wols | !tell xxl3w about smart questions |
| 13:27.57 | xxl3w | LOL, well a disk space error message doesn't make since |
| 13:28.02 | wols | read that and come back when you have done this |
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| 13:28.25 | mimique | !tell mimic about smart questions |
| 13:28.28 | mimique | :D |
| 13:28.36 | mimique | oh wait |
| 13:28.40 | mimique | !tell mimique about smart questions |
| 13:28.42 | wols | mess!tell mimique about msg the bot |
| 13:28.47 | wols | !tell mimique about msg the bot |
| 13:28.54 | xxl3w | soo, &. should work? |
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| 13:29.01 | wols | b52laptop: run apt-get update before you install stuff |
| 13:29.13 | b52laptop | wols hm ok |
| 13:29.14 | Gabrod24 | hello people |
| 13:29.25 | izhirahider | Can anyone tell me a URL where I can see what packages come in which of all the 14 Debian 3.1r5 CDs, so I don't have to download them all? |
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| 13:29.39 | Gabrod24 | i am gabriel from Uruguay |
| 13:29.48 | Gabrod24 | i need help |
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| 13:30.42 | b52laptop | wols , thanks |
| 13:30.44 | wols | izhirahider: you don't need to download them all. after you downloaded a 150MB ISO netinstall, you can apt-get the rest via the internet |
| 13:30.44 | Gabrod24 | i need see all conections to internet of my net |
| 13:31.01 | wols | Gabrod24: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 13:31.39 | Gabrod24 | wols: i got a router with coyote linux |
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| 13:31.58 | wols | and? |
| 13:33.50 | Gabrod24 | but y need see all conections from other computer, all webs and others conections |
| 13:33.50 | xxl3w | how do you reconfigure your hostname/etc? |
| 13:33.50 | wols | wwe don#t understand your problem |
| 13:34.05 | wols | xxl3w: man hostname |
| 13:34.15 | Gabrod24 | my files server is linux |
| 13:34.20 | wols | Gabrod24: you have a problem with your coyote linux router? |
| 13:34.23 | xxl3w | lol, you don't understand that question? |
| 13:34.27 | xxl3w | now you're just being silly |
| 13:34.29 | wols | Gabrod24: debian linux? |
| 13:34.42 | wols | xxl3w: not yours. Gabrod24's |
| 13:34.48 | xxl3w | ohh |
| 13:34.52 | Gabrod24 | yes, xandros specifily |
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| 13:35.03 | Gabrod24 | specificly |
| 13:35.40 | Gabrod24 | my router is coyotelinux |
| 13:35.50 | wols | Gabrod24: we don't support xandros |
| 13:35.52 | wols | !xandros |
| 13:35.53 | dpkg | well, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 13:37.41 | xand | o.O |
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| 13:38.18 | Gabrod24 | the terminals are win$ |
| 13:38.22 | izhirahider | wols, Sorry, I don't have internet where I plan to install debian :( |
| 13:38.46 | izhirahider | wols, I was planning to apt-get from CDs |
| 13:38.52 | wols | Gabrod24: we don't care. we don't support coyotelinux, xandros or windows |
| 13:38.55 | CAiRO | how can i see which debian pakets i've installed last? |
| 13:39.02 | izhirahider | I read you can do that, apt-get install and it would ask for CD x |
| 13:39.53 | Gabrod24 | wols: waths is the problem with xandros, is a modifiqued debian distribution |
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| 13:40.13 | junix-other | i need some help getting my promise fasttrack TX2 IDE RAID card working...i forget the kernel module for this |
| 13:40.26 | Wolfete | Gabrod24: you said that, ti's a *modified* debian, *not* debian |
| 13:40.32 | wols | !tell izhirahider about apt-zip |
| 13:40.35 | Wolfete | s/ti/it/ |
| 13:40.37 | Gabrod24 | if you want i change to debian |
| 13:40.43 | wols | CAiRO: if you run etc: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 13:41.23 | wols | !tell junix-other about hcl |
| 13:41.37 | wols | CAiRO: s/etc/etch/ |
| 13:42.06 | junix-other | wols: i don't need the hcl, i know it works with 2.4.27 |
| 13:42.18 | CAiRO | hmm, doesn't look so, the file is empty and dpkg.log.0 has only very old entries |
| 13:42.30 | Gabrod24 | i only need know if exist any form of see the conections to internet in remote form for admin my net |
| 13:42.37 | wols | junix-other: but the hcl tells you what driver to use |
| 13:42.48 | izhirahider | wols, that kinda helps, thanks |
| 13:43.05 | wols | Gabrod24: how often? we will not support anything but debian. and this is no debian question |
| 13:43.08 | junix-other | wols: ok |
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| 13:43.37 | wols | or simply googling would probably work too |
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| 13:44.57 | Gabrod24 | see, my server is a variant of debian distro, is more, all packeges wath install in the server are debian |
| 13:45.06 | Gabrod24 | and i need |
| 13:45.08 | wols | !based on debian |
| 13:45.09 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 13:45.12 | Gabrod24 | know |
| 13:45.20 | wols | go away |
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| 13:45.29 | DrCurl | hello |
| 13:45.39 | Gabrod24 | if exist any application for see the conectios |
| 13:45.45 | space_ninja | Is there anything else I can do except for running alsaconf to get my soundcard to work? |
| 13:46.14 | Gabrod24 | if you want i change the operating system to debian and i not feel the change |
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| 13:46.30 | wols | space_ninja: what soundcard is it? |
| 13:46.31 | Gabrod24 | in my house i use the debian etch |
| 13:46.33 | nescius | VFS: cannot open root device "301" or unknown block(3,1) |
| 13:46.34 | nescius | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 13:46.35 | wols | googling usually helps |
| 13:46.39 | nescius | kernel panic |
| 13:46.46 | Gabrod24 | for this |
| 13:46.49 | wols | nescius: custom kernel? |
| 13:47.03 | nescius | wols, right |
| 13:47.22 | wols | either you miss your harddisk controller or your root filesystem |
| 13:47.24 | Gabrod24 | is IRRELEVANT if is the debian or variant |
| 13:47.26 | nescius | with default config + IMQ patch from debian package |
| 13:47.32 | wols | and I really hope for you you used kernel package? |
| 13:47.47 | nescius | yes |
| 13:48.15 | wols | nescius: go in menuconfig and compile the two things I mentioned into the kernel not as a module |
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| 13:48.20 | DrCurl | I'm setuping a debian sarge server, I want to have an external hd for backuping. Do you recommend USB2 or firewire interface? |
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| 13:48.32 | wols | nescius: and make sure root=/dec/xxx is set in menu.lst for your kernel |
| 13:48.46 | wols | DrCurl: firewire if possible, usb2 is cheaper tho |
| 13:48.58 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: you here? |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | HI!~ |
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| 13:49.11 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:49.11 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is probably 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:49.25 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: ? |
| 13:49.26 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: I fixed the video! I had to disable the sideport setting in the BIOS |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | the sideport ? |
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| 13:49.36 | abrotman | oh .. external vga |
| 13:49.36 | DrCurl | wols, should I use 2.4 or 2.6 with firewire? is there a difference? |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | 2.6 unless you ahve a good reason |
| 13:49.52 | space_ninja | wols, I don't know, I'm trying to find out |
| 13:49.54 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: it's additional memory from the main ram |
| 13:49.55 | wols | today: always use 2.6 |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | oh .. weird |
| 13:50.05 | wols | space_ninja: lspci -v |
| 13:50.11 | space_ninja | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.15 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: see .. buy intel! |
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| 13:50.19 | space_ninja | that? |
| 13:50.33 | GeorgeS069 | when I buy...I will buy something better supported |
| 13:50.36 | wols | space_ninja: i810 driver |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | eh ok |
| 13:50.43 | abrotman | wols: for sound ? |
| 13:50.50 | wols | abrotman: on ac97: yes |
| 13:50.53 | GeorgeS069 | this one was free so it's not too bad really |
| 13:51.02 | DrCurl | will the firewire drive be automatically configured? or will I need to perform some tasks to make it work (besides editing fstab)? |
| 13:51.05 | abrotman | wols: it hought it was ac97 driver |
| 13:51.09 | junix-other | wols: i don't see anythng about the kernel module.... |
| 13:51.23 | space_ninja | wols, how do I get it or activate it? |
| 13:51.51 | wols | abrotman: you're right. kernel renamed it one day it seems |
| 13:52.01 | wols | space_ninja: alsaconf should detect it on its own |
| 13:52.10 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 13:52.19 | wols | that's what you say |
| 13:52.22 | space_ninja | it doens't |
| 13:52.41 | wols | space_ninja: run lsmod. check if it's already loaded |
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| 13:53.58 | junix-other | wols: its loaded. |
| 13:54.02 | GeorgeS069 | 3d is pretty slow but,it does work now |
| 13:54.11 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: doesn't sound like it's working then |
| 13:54.42 | space_ninja | wols, I can't find i810 |
| 13:54.45 | GeorgeS069 | I don't expect much...it only gets 128mb of ram now and it's just a laptop |
| 13:55.01 | space_ninja | can I download it? |
| 13:55.04 | wols | space_ninja: cause i was wrong as I said. it's ac97 as abrotman said |
| 13:55.12 | space_ninja | aha |
| 13:55.24 | wols | you already have it if you run a 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:56.37 | space_ninja | it's not on the list the alsaconf or lsmod gives me |
| 13:56.49 | space_ninja | and I have 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:56.55 | space_ninja | I checked in /boot |
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| 13:57.17 | space_ninja | can I use modprobe? |
| 13:57.24 | GeorgeS069 | well,it did work.now fgl_glxgears won't run |
| 13:57.47 | space_ninja | modprobe ac97 |
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| 13:57.51 | space_ninja | ops |
| 13:58.16 | space_ninja | eh |
| 13:58.16 | ebbs | hi... if Im starting gdml automatically with xgl, it doesnt work, but if I start gdm from the console, it starts properly. How can this be? |
| 13:58.22 | space_ninja | not working |
| 13:58.25 | ebbs | *gdn |
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| 13:58.29 | ebbs | *gdm |
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| 14:00.19 | space_ninja | wols, it seems that I don't have either alsa-oss and apmd, should I download them/ |
| 14:00.23 | space_ninja | ? |
| 14:00.28 | space_ninja | or |
| 14:01.05 | ebbs | so after a startup of my debian/etch it wont run with xgl and if im starting manually from the console (/etc/init.d/gdm start)it works... |
| 14:01.15 | Malagmyr | space-ninja: I would suggest using apt-get |
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| 14:01.59 | wols | space_ninja: what has apmd to do with your sound? |
| 14:02.07 | space_ninja | I don't know what it is |
| 14:02.11 | xxl3w | i'm at work |
| 14:02.16 | xxl3w | oops |
| 14:02.16 | xxl3w | wrong chan |
| 14:02.23 | space_ninja | and I used apt to install alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 14:02.31 | wols | and what is alsa-oss? all I know are some alsa drivers to make alsa oss compatible. and they come with your kernel. ie you already have them |
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| 14:03.11 | ebbs | Has anybody heard from such a problem, even if it doesnt concern xgl, it could be a help... |
| 14:03.42 | wols | ebbs: error messages are a great thing to see |
| 14:03.48 | wols | when troubleshooting that is |
| 14:03.58 | ebbs | there are no errors |
| 14:04.20 | wols | there are errors |
| 14:04.27 | wols | you just haven't looked in the right places |
| 14:04.28 | junix-other | wols: i ran dmesg, and it said there was no software array found |
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| 14:04.46 | ebbs | gdm starts with xgl then, but if not started manually the 3d-acceleration doesnt work... |
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| 14:05.22 | ebbs | then teach me to see in the right place |
| 14:05.23 | xxl3w | gdm takes longer to load than icewm |
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| 14:06.02 | wols | abrotman: damn you! |
| 14:06.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:06.09 | wols | ebbs: log files. especially X logfiles |
| 14:06.37 | abrotman | in /var/log/ even! |
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| 14:08.15 | ebbs | wols, ok ill try to specify the passage in the log file... |
| 14:08.23 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:08.24 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:08.29 | ebbs | wols, after some restarts |
| 14:08.56 | wols | there are nice timestamps at the front of every line |
| 14:09.26 | ebbs | abrotman, thank you for giving the hint, but i wouldnt paste a whole log file :-)... |
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| 14:09.51 | abrotman | ebbs: why not? .. it can help |
| 14:10.03 | wols | as long a you don't paste it in the channel |
| 14:10.15 | ebbs | abrotman, paste in the channel |
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| 14:10.28 | ebbs | abrotman, i wouldnt ... |
| 14:10.57 | ebbs | but i will let you help me if ive ffound the error message |
| 14:11.03 | ebbs | thanks |
| 14:11.09 | waspius | !pastebin |
| 14:11.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 14:11.39 | simonrvn | ooh fancy curl op |
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| 14:13.24 | waspius | my cpu is showing 100% and the memory is also at full...these are some of the processes running..http://www.pastebin.ca/393346 is it normal? |
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| 14:13.34 | torrr | How do I connect o an NTFS RAID5 disk? |
| 14:14.13 | GeorgeS069 | this is all I get from fgl_glxgears "827 frames in 5.0 seconds = 165.400 FPS" is that any good? |
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| 14:14.35 | Eulex | waspius, as should be quite evident from that dump, qtorrent is using a lot of cpu |
| 14:14.49 | Eulex | waspius, and memory |
| 14:14.57 | wols | ebbs: grep EE /var/log/X* |
| 14:15.12 | majere | hiya ! cant find any documentation about using two monitors... where to look for ? |
| 14:15.25 | ebbs | abrotman wols, so this is my very long Xorg.0.log - FIle: http://pastebin.ca/393349 |
| 14:15.30 | wols | waspius: memory is always "at full". if it's not something would be broken |
| 14:15.48 | stew | f |
| 14:16.18 | waspius | Eulex: ok..but even when qtorrent is not running my system does not go as fast...i have 512mb ram but it actually is less as the graphic card uses some of it..do u think if i add more ram it should run better? |
| 14:16.48 | wols | ebbs: is flgr-dri loaded via /etc/modules? |
| 14:17.30 | wols | *fglrx-dri |
| 14:17.48 | Eulex | waspius, 1gb or more should definitely do a difference. but note that your ram isn't really full even as of now |
| 14:18.09 | stew | waspius: are you swapping? /msg dpkg am i swapping |
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| 14:18.46 | wols | Eulex: stuff like rhytmbox and nautilis are hogs :) |
| 14:18.48 | Eulex | waspius, sure, all of it is currently used, but 135720k is used for caches, which can be freed anytime a program wants memory. oh, and yes, you are swapping a bit |
| 14:18.50 | ebbs | wols, no, but I actually am in gnome, that was started in the console |
| 14:18.56 | Eulex | wols, mhm, indeed |
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| 14:19.04 | ebbs | wols, so all works fine for now |
| 14:19.37 | ebbs | wols, should I start again to load my gdm automatically to see whats wrong? |
| 14:19.38 | wols | ebbs: well, put it in there then and check again |
| 14:19.47 | wols | duh! |
| 14:20.02 | wols | we need the log from when it doesn't work obviously. not when it does work... |
| 14:20.05 | Eulex | waspius, you've got ~300mb swapped out |
| 14:20.09 | waspius | stew: well all of them are 0 so i am not swapping... |
| 14:20.22 | abrotman | the fglrx isn't loaded correclty |
| 14:20.39 | waspius | Eulex: and what is swapping? |
| 14:20.41 | ebbs | wols, after typing as root : modprobe fglrx-dri... module not found |
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| 14:21.33 | Eulex | waspius, can't see from here, turn on the swapping column in top and sort according to it |
| 14:21.34 | wols | use modprobe fglrx only then |
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| 14:22.04 | ebbs | abrotman, what do you mean in thos moment my 3d-acceleration works good and fine with xgl.. |
| 14:22.40 | ebbs | abrotman, it only doesnt work after startup.... |
| 14:23.01 | waspius | Eulex: what exactly should i do?:s |
| 14:23.21 | ebbs | so I should restart, so my xgl doesnt work properly.... |
| 14:23.32 | waspius | and what is swapping? |
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| 14:24.19 | Eulex | waspius, fp<anykey>*sort with '<' and '>' until it's sorted according to the swap column* |
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| 14:24.37 | Eulex | waspius, ah, you're asking what swapping _is_, not what application is swapping? |
| 14:24.58 | waspius | Eulex: i want to first understand what swapping is |
| 14:25.05 | Eulex | !swap |
| 14:25.05 | dpkg | well, swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 14:25.22 | waspius | thank you |
| 14:25.29 | Eulex | heh, that one wasn't very helpful |
| 14:26.06 | Eulex | oh, no, it should be at least a bit helpful |
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| 14:29.03 | Coke | Hi. I have recently upgraded my iRiver T10 to use UMS, once the update was complete the T10 display said "formatting" when I tapped the power button. It registers from usb-storage (dmesg) and the vendor name is shown, but when I try fdisk /dev/sdf it shows garbled crap, no clean FAT16 partitions there. I also can't mount it. What do I need to read UMS FAT16 in Debian? (using testing 2.6.18-3 kernel) |
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| 14:31.05 | Eulex | Coke, a debian-built kernel? fat16 support is already in there. |
| 14:31.29 | GeorgeS069 | how do I find out which package provides libGLcore.so ? |
| 14:31.57 | Eulex | !tell GeorgeS069 about search |
| 14:31.58 | Coke | Eulex: so, why does it show garbled paritions? |
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| 14:32.07 | GeorgeS069 | Eulex: thanks |
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| 14:32.08 | Eulex | Coke, I have no idea |
| 14:32.20 | Eulex | GeorgeS069, for this occasion, apt-file is the right tool |
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| 14:32.51 | Eulex | GeorgeS069, oh, and if you've got the package with the file installed, dpkg -S will do |
| 14:32.52 | GeorgeS069 | Eulex: ok...thanks again...I just installed that one |
| 14:34.11 | Coke | Eulex: hm. I just read in a linux/iriver forum that the device uses the entire disk as one huge fat16 parition, i.e no table. |
| 14:34.17 | space_ni1ja | AH! |
| 14:34.23 | waspius | Eulex: swap is chosen in top |
| 14:34.51 | space_ni1ja | aptitude |
| 14:34.59 | Eulex | Coke, mount /dev/sdf then |
| 14:34.59 | Coke | Eulex: thanks anyway! :) |
| 14:35.03 | Coke | Eulex: exactly. |
| 14:35.10 | Coke | Eulex: it was too easy. ;) |
| 14:35.21 | Eulex | waspius, ok |
| 14:35.39 | waspius | Eulex: how can i see which uses the most? |
| 14:35.51 | sangriag | Savar: thanks for your advice. Now I am using wireless with ndiswrapper. |
| 14:36.34 | Eulex | waspius, '<' and '>' change what column processes are sorted by. press one of them until it's sorted by the swap column. |
| 14:38.07 | waspius | Eulex: it says unknown command |
| 14:38.26 | waspius | ok found it |
| 14:38.36 | Eulex | waspius, yeah, press just < or > |
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| 14:39.24 | waspius | Eulex: gnome-panel uses the most |
| 14:40.14 | waspius | Eulex: 248m and then xorg with 201m and nautilus with 140m |
| 14:40.25 | GeorgeS069 | well,I have the damn thing installed (libGLcore.so) it just won't load when xorg starts up..any ideas on a fix? |
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| 14:43.41 | GeorgeS069 | here is the error I get in Xorg.log: dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch |
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| 14:49.12 | simonrvn | GeorgeS069: how did you get x installed? |
| 14:49.19 | misfitx7 | pentium d or athlon x2? |
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| 14:49.44 | GeorgeS069 | I just installed it with everything else using tasksel when I installed debian |
| 14:49.57 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 14:51.17 | abrotman | misfitx7: ask #hardware |
| 14:51.17 | GeorgeS069 | Does it matter if the Modules section is before the Device section in xorg.conf ? |
| 14:51.31 | simonrvn | no |
| 14:51.40 | space_ninja | Ok my soundcard refuses to work so I'm thinking about doing a reinstall with the unstable version, where do I download the unstable netinstall iso? |
| 14:53.36 | wols | space_ninja: won't help |
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| 14:53.45 | wols | and there is no unstable ISO anywhere |
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| 14:58.41 | xxl3w | alright, I have a question but I made a pastebin, is that OK? or do I still need to ask the question> |
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| 14:58.58 | xxl3w | http://pastebin.ca/393381 |
| 14:59.00 | simonrvn | that would help, yes |
| 14:59.09 | simonrvn | at least a summary |
| 14:59.32 | xxl3w | well, when i put a rdesktop command in Xsession to autoload and put a & on the end of the line, it crashes |
| 14:59.37 | xxl3w | icewm crashes |
| 14:59.57 | simonrvn | you put it before or after icewm? |
| 15:00.09 | xxl3w | i can take the & off and it works fine, but when i logout of rdesktop is puts me back to the display manager |
| 15:00.18 | xxl3w | i put it in .xsession in the home dir |
| 15:00.25 | xxl3w | so i'm guessing it's after icewm? |
| 15:00.34 | simonrvn | no, redesktop, after or before icewm? |
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| 15:00.38 | stew | xxl3w: can you pastebin your .xsession? |
| 15:00.38 | simonrvn | rdesktop* |
| 15:00.47 | xxl3w | there's nothing in .xsession |
| 15:01.00 | xxl3w | the rdesktop command is the only command in there (in my home dir) |
| 15:01.10 | xxl3w | i'm not sure where the main Xsession is |
| 15:01.15 | xxl3w | is it /etc/X11? |
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| 15:01.41 | stew | xxl3w: add icewm to .xsession after "rdesktop&" |
| 15:02.02 | xxl3w | k |
| 15:02.17 | xxl3w | does their supposed to be a space after the rdesktop command? also, does it matter if i have arguments |
| 15:02.44 | xxl3w | this is what i'm using currently: rdesktop -u admin jeffers1 -f -a 24 & |
| 15:02.48 | simonrvn | no, optional; no |
| 15:02.53 | xxl3w | put icewm on the line, below? |
| 15:02.58 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:03.05 | xxl3w | ok |
| 15:03.26 | xxl3w | if that works |
| 15:03.32 | xxl3w | i will be killing myself in the bathroom at work |
| 15:03.43 | simonrvn | no need for that |
| 15:03.48 | xxl3w | so, does the space matter after the last argument? |
| 15:03.50 | simonrvn | no |
| 15:03.55 | xxl3w | ok. |
| 15:03.57 | xxl3w | brb |
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| 15:05.47 | xxl3w | that bathroom sure is looking nice... |
| 15:05.52 | xxl3w | worked perfectly |
| 15:06.04 | xxl3w | now for the easy part, configure idesk |
| 15:06.17 | xxl3w | guess i should ask this before a huge headache, should idesk go after icewm? |
| 15:06.29 | simonrvn | no, wm's are always last |
| 15:06.30 | plasmid | after looking at my logs there have been 305 attempts from an IP trying to break my box using several ports I have open or user name: apache, adm, root, mysql, ftp ..etc. Since I am fairly new to linux, what is the simplest way to BLOCK a specific IP? If in the future more IP's appear to try to break into my debian box what is the best way to block IP's? |
| 15:06.43 | xxl3w | man, that's crazy. i really appreciate it |
| 15:06.48 | xxl3w | i can't believe it was so simple |
| 15:06.56 | simonrvn | plasmid: that's very likely a zombie |
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| 15:07.07 | simonrvn | plasmid: apt-get install denyhosts |
| 15:07.07 | Ronin | plasmid: ssh by any chance? |
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| 15:07.17 | simonrvn | i bet 5$ it's ssh |
| 15:07.26 | Ronin | not taking that bet |
| 15:07.29 | plasmid | Ronin, yeah.. they have been trying to ssh2 |
| 15:07.33 | simonrvn | that's 20$ USD btw ;p |
| 15:07.53 | Ronin | plasmid: denyhosts, set decent passwords, etc. |
| 15:07.58 | plasmid | denyhosts? |
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| 15:08.21 | simonrvn | what he said :) |
| 15:08.39 | simonrvn | i'm assuming you're a he, Ronin |
| 15:08.56 | plasmid | thanks |
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| 15:11.48 | Yavor | how can I check to see what has opened a port on my machine ? |
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| 15:12.09 | zorrolero | Yavor: lsof |
| 15:12.26 | stew | Yavor: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 15:13.46 | Yavor | hmm and which one is the port |
| 15:13.54 | zrin | If a vendor uses customized Debian system on an appliance (like SMTP gateway) - is he obliged to deliver the (complete?) source code (on request)? |
| 15:14.02 | ebbs | hi again... now Im started without 3d-acceleration, this only happens, if the x-server was loaded automatically.... even the windows are not moving properly know... |
| 15:14.14 | ebbs | *now |
| 15:14.49 | wols | zrin: not the complete |
| 15:15.00 | wols | but everything that is under GPL or a similar license: yes |
| 15:15.07 | Rippey | im trying to make an installer, when i try too create udeb in linux-kernel-di source, nothing happen, just got this thing : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5705 |
| 15:15.15 | zrin | wols: what about the (customized) kernel? |
| 15:15.17 | wols | his modifications he might have to release or not. depends how they're made |
| 15:15.25 | wols | that he MUST release since it's GPL |
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| 15:16.08 | wols | e.g. my router manufacturer wrote some utils to conf the wlan, voip and the like (router runs linux) |
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| 15:16.20 | wols | they had to release the kernel source but not their config utils source |
| 15:16.36 | zrin | wols: I understand, thank you... (was that Linksys?) |
| 15:16.44 | wols | zrin: AVM |
| 15:16.59 | wols | using a TI AR7 chipset running MIPSel |
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| 15:17.52 | zrin | wols: is that the story of high sell volume due to released source? |
| 15:18.04 | knoppix | hallo |
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| 15:18.20 | ebbs | wols, the new Xorg.0.log hasnt got any more errors..., so what now? |
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| 15:18.34 | wols | syslog, messages? |
| 15:18.43 | ebbs | ok |
| 15:19.13 | wols | there must be some error reason why it won't start and it will tell you somewhere |
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| 15:19.50 | Yavor | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:36109 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
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| 15:20.01 | Yavor | ok this is strange ?!?! I want to know what is on that port |
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| 15:20.12 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 36109 |
| 15:20.16 | wols | netstat -anp |
| 15:20.21 | wols | as root |
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| 15:22.02 | bobulator | hey there does anyone know the best way to go about installing php5 on sarge? should i add a repository, find a deb or compile from source? |
| 15:22.20 | cydork | bobulator: check backports.org |
| 15:22.41 | Rippey | no one for my d-i problem ? |
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| 15:22.59 | bobulator | cydork: ta, that looks spot on! |
| 15:23.14 | ebbs | wols, how can it be, that I only have to restart my gdm by /etc/init.d/gdm stop (waiting a moment, then) /etc/init.d/gdm start and all works fine, that isnt logic, is it? |
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| 15:23.35 | wols | no clue |
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| 15:24.10 | ebbs | abrotman, do you have an idea, why something like that could be? |
| 15:24.19 | abrotman | i said what it hought it wa |
| 15:24.21 | abrotman | was |
| 15:24.34 | xxl3w | how do I change my hostname? i read man hostname and I can't figure out how to set the hostname, I trist hostname -v -F /home/jef103/(mynewhostname) and I had the name I wanted in that file |
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| 15:24.39 | ebbs | fglrx is not installed properly? |
| 15:24.39 | Niklas- | Hey. As far as i can see, the iptables in debian/etch comes with connlimit support, but i dont see the kernel module for it - is it a bug or should it be like this? |
| 15:24.50 | xxl3w | well, it didn't give me any errors but it didn't change my hostname (unless I have to reboot) |
| 15:25.04 | wols | ebbs: no. not LOADED properly |
| 15:25.17 | wols | just what I thought too. have you added it to /etc/modules as I told you? |
| 15:25.26 | terr_ | xxl3w: you should never have to reboot. |
| 15:25.27 | xxl3w | wait |
| 15:25.34 | xxl3w | i think I got it! |
| 15:25.37 | ebbs | wols..., but fglrx-dri doesnt exist... |
| 15:25.46 | wols | but flgrx should |
| 15:25.48 | xxl3w | when i took -v off it worked fine |
| 15:25.51 | simonrvn | you sound like dpkg |
| 15:25.55 | xxl3w | sooo, if i reboot now will it be saved? |
| 15:25.58 | ebbs | wols, fglrx is loaded |
| 15:26.02 | cydork | xxl3w: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 15:26.03 | xxl3w | guess i should just see, instead of asking |
| 15:26.04 | xxl3w | :P brb |
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| 15:26.16 | wols | ebbs: when the error occurs? |
| 15:26.38 | ebbs | wols, yes |
| 15:26.54 | tarzeau | !quilt |
| 15:26.56 | ebbs | now Im running with the error and fglrx IS loaded |
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| 15:27.04 | wols | ebbs: how do you KNOW? |
| 15:27.07 | xxl3w | cool, i forgot I had to use root to edit the hostname file |
| 15:27.07 | xxl3w | doh! |
| 15:27.15 | xxl3w | thanks guys for all the help today |
| 15:27.24 | ebbs | lsmod | grep fglrx... |
| 15:27.29 | wols | tarzeau: what about quilt? |
| 15:27.50 | tarzeau | wols: how can i use it for debian packaging? the url in the description doesn't say much |
| 15:28.17 | wols | what url? what quilt? |
| 15:28.25 | tarzeau | wols: do you know any debian src package that's using quilt? apt-cache show quilt |
| 15:28.32 | wols | nope |
| 15:28.57 | wols | sounds interesting for heavy stuff like kernel patching |
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| 15:30.07 | ebbs | wols, I dont want to get on your nerves.. so I think I'll so it like I did before... only star console and then load gdm manually... |
| 15:30.18 | simonrvn | doesn't xorg use quilt? |
| 15:30.18 | ebbs | *so |
| 15:30.23 | ebbs | รรdo |
| 15:30.26 | ebbs | **do |
| 15:31.01 | ebbs | wols, thanks |
| 15:31.06 | cydork | tarzeau: zd1211-source ? |
| 15:31.10 | wols | I told you several times what you can try to fix the problem. suit yourself if you want to ignore it |
| 15:31.31 | tarzeau | cydork: any other debian source package without -source in the package name? |
| 15:31.47 | tarzeau | cydork: it's a kernel module... |
| 15:32.34 | cydork | tarzeau: nope .. no idea. |
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| 15:34.48 | tarzeau | cydork: cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources | grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends,Build-Depends-Indep quilt -sPackage |
| 15:34.51 | cydork | tarzeau: there are sources which depend on quilt, maybe you can take a look at lists and build-depends |
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| 15:35.06 | zimnyx | Is there a better samba replacement? |
| 15:35.14 | tarzeau | zimnyx: nfs? |
| 15:35.15 | zimnyx | i can't stand this protocol |
| 15:35.21 | cydork | tarzeau: :) |
| 15:35.32 | zimnyx | tarzeau: supported by win? |
| 15:36.14 | tarzeau | zimnyx: hm, that's not your original question |
| 15:36.41 | zimnyx | tarzeau: thaks, i will google it |
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| 15:37.32 | ubra | any idea why webmin is in stable but not in eth http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=webmin&searchon=names&version=all&release=all ? can i install webmin from stable on an eth box and hope to work? |
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| 15:37.51 | simonrvn | because it's a r00t hole waiting to happen? |
| 15:38.18 | simonrvn | er, it's a r00t hole, and just waiting for something to happen, rather |
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| 15:38.38 | wols | !tell ubra about webmin |
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| 15:38.48 | cydork | ubra: it's not there.. :) |
| 15:39.00 | cydork | ubra: and that too for a good reason .. |
| 15:39.25 | kapowaz | hi there. I have a few packages being held back after upgrading from sarge to etch. How can I get these installed? They appear to have slightly confusing different versions (e.g. libmysqlclient15off: Depends: mysql-common (>= 5.0.32-7) but 5.0.32-7~bpo.1 is to be installed) |
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| 15:39.50 | wols | kapowaz: install them explictily |
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| 15:39.55 | wols | it's cause you were using backports |
| 15:40.00 | kapowaz | ahh |
| 15:40.01 | ubra | :> |
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| 15:40.39 | ubra | cool just what i thought, how to explain it to management when its the only free thing to manage openvz completly |
| 15:40.43 | kapowaz | wols: it'd be safe for me to remove /etc/apt/preferences now I'm on etch if I no longer need any backports? |
| 15:40.53 | wols | sure |
| 15:40.59 | wols | won't hurt either tho |
| 15:42.16 | kapowaz | well, I ought to at least remove the pins for those packages ? |
| 15:42.23 | kapowaz | I'll just nix it, I was only using it for mysql and apache2 |
| 15:42.37 | simonrvn | yeh, drop it, might get confusing |
| 15:42.38 | kapowaz | anyway, cheers |
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| 15:43.29 | kapowaz | agreed |
| 15:43.30 | simonrvn | with epoxy |
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| 15:43.37 | kapowaz | anyway ttfn |
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| 15:47.27 | lechef | my sound device is only able to play for one application |
| 15:47.54 | lechef | e.g. if i visit a site with flashplayer ad which plays sound i cant hear music |
| 15:48.00 | jm|work | hello |
| 15:48.06 | lechef | why is that? |
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| 15:48.21 | jm|work | is there a way to make the environment realise that you have been added to a new group (with vigr) without logging out all active sessions? |
| 15:48.23 | amphi | crap sound card |
| 15:48.35 | lechef | not really |
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| 15:48.43 | mark123 | hi, i have a weird problem with apache. if left for 5mins, i load a page (either a full site or just phpinfo(); die();) and it pauses for 2 seconds before showing it. if i then refresh its lightning fast and stays that way until i don't refresh for 5-10mins. the box has basically no load and over 2gb of free memory (4gb total). i cannot figure out why this is happening, there are no sleeping procs in MySQL and apache has MaxClients of 256. box is deb |
| 15:48.48 | cydork | lechef: google for dmix and alsa |
| 15:48.59 | lechef | cydork, thanks |
| 15:49.04 | kyevan | So, why does debian (sid) have a Q2 engine in apt, but no Q1? :P |
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| 15:55.35 | Mark17 | is it possible to see what gateway i use when i'm on a server and where can i change the gateway (debian 3.1) |
| 15:55.38 | Mark17 | ? |
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| 15:56.19 | rahul | Mark17: route -n, man 5 interfaces |
| 15:56.35 | rahul | no clue what "on a server" means |
| 15:56.56 | xxl3w | ealier i was having problems with .xsession not loading when i was entering in startup items. well, i had to put icewm at the end of it. well, now after remote desktop opens, the icewm bar loads oaver the windows bar |
| 15:57.18 | xxl3w | like, the bottom icewm overlay over the windows start button and taskbar |
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| 15:57.27 | xxl3w | overlays, sorry |
| 15:57.27 | simonrvn | icewm is configurable for that, you can put in on the top |
| 15:57.47 | simonrvn | bleh, mind the bad grammar |
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| 15:57.58 | xxl3w | its' not on top though. when i run rdesktop right now, it's 'under' rdesktop |
| 15:58.00 | xxl3w | you can't see it |
| 15:58.17 | rahul | !penixstrike simonrvn |
| 15:58.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:58.19 | simonrvn | no, i mean you can put icewm's bar on top |
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| 15:58.26 | stew | Mark17: man interfaces |
| 15:58.27 | Ramattack | hi |
| 15:58.30 | simonrvn | !rahulsmite rahul |
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| 15:58.35 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 15:58.36 | rahul | heh |
| 15:58.41 | rahul | %badger simonrvn |
| 15:58.41 | badgers | ENOUGH |
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| 15:58.44 | xxl3w | i can just take the whole bar off, ehh? |
| 15:58.45 | simonrvn | !hehsmite rahul |
| 15:58.46 | rahul | bastage. |
| 15:58.49 | Ramattack | is in any situation where is not advisable to set in kernel server no forced preemption and 100 on kernel timer frecuency OR low latency desktop and 1000 on kernel timer frecuency? |
| 15:59.10 | simonrvn | xxl3w: yeh, or make it pop down, it's nice that way |
| 15:59.15 | rahul | kernel server? |
| 15:59.19 | xxl3w | where do you edit this stuff? |
| 15:59.24 | xxl3w | in .icewm? |
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| 15:59.36 | rahul | no, server no forced preeemption |
| 15:59.37 | simonrvn | it has a conf tool, or directly edit its preferences file |
| 15:59.39 | xxl3w | well, the only file in there is the theme file |
| 15:59.41 | rahul | er, I mean oh |
| 15:59.46 | xxl3w | what's the conf tool? |
| 15:59.47 | xxl3w | heh |
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| 16:00.05 | simonrvn | iceconf, or something like that |
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| 16:00.16 | Ramattack | does anybody know this please? |
| 16:00.17 | rahul | my myspace stalker apologized for being weird. |
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| 16:00.28 | xxl3w | =/ |
| 16:00.46 | rahul | Ramattack: hrm, it's usually not a problem. just use the option that will get you the latency/throughput profile you want |
| 16:00.51 | xxl3w | sorry ,thanks though! |
| 16:00.54 | simonrvn | icewm conf, i even gave you the search terms ;p |
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| 16:01.17 | abrotman | Ramattack: ask #kernel |
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| 16:01.31 | xxl3w | indeed |
| 16:01.37 | xxl3w | you're awesome |
| 16:01.43 | rahul | :O |
| 16:01.58 | rahul | Mr Cello is the bane of the airline! |
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| 16:04.28 | clust | Hi! I have problem to run ifup from a python script. It says" Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" |
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| 16:06.51 | mue | clust: you have it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:07.29 | c1ru | any url for obtain kiba-dock? i`m looking 2 hours and 0 found |
| 16:07.38 | c1ru | only packages for ubuntu |
| 16:08.22 | kyevan | c1ru: sometimes ubuntu packages for... Dapper, works with sid, I think it was. |
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| 16:09.20 | mue | c1ru, you can't build from src? |
| 16:09.39 | c1ru | nop |
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| 16:10.11 | clust | mue: allready solved. I forget to close the interfaces file after opening for write in python :) |
| 16:10.31 | juice` | is there any easy-to-install anti-spam for server (postfix) in debian? |
| 16:10.35 | mue | clust: k |
| 16:11.10 | Ramattack | rahul : well in servers I suppose is valid then to set server no forced preemption and 100 of kernel timer frecuency |
| 16:11.13 | Ramattack | isn't it? |
| 16:11.31 | Ramattack | juice spampd |
| 16:11.45 | Ramattack | and set in on content filter places... |
| 16:11.51 | Ramattack | in main.cf |
| 16:12.04 | juice` | hmmm maybe i ment something else |
| 16:12.10 | juice` | my server was put on SBL list |
| 16:12.21 | juice` | becouse some spammers use it to send spam. it is NOT open relay |
| 16:12.27 | juice` | but it has free accounts |
| 16:12.33 | juice` | any idea how to solve this? |
| 16:12.54 | juice` | i use pop-before-smtp to authorize users for sending mails |
| 16:13.13 | Ronin | ya close how they got in, beg teh sbl admins to remove it,(good luck on that one) |
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| 16:13.24 | Ramattack | juice two solutions |
| 16:13.59 | Ramattack | using domino servers and mail smtp rules.... scanning mail before and telling domino smtp to reject mails wich subject is *****spam***** |
| 16:14.01 | Ramattack | or |
| 16:14.07 | Ramattack | using qmail-scanner and perl-scan |
| 16:14.18 | juice` | which one would be easier ? |
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| 16:14.39 | Ramattack | domino servers.... but it's better to do with qmail |
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| 16:14.59 | rgsteele | Hm... so is APOP equivalent to POP3S (or SPOP3)? |
| 16:15.03 | juice` | but i use postfix as my smtp server, it doesnt matter? |
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| 16:15.27 | Ramattack | nope I would set qmail or domino as mx and smtp |
| 16:15.48 | juice` | ok, but what if i use postfix... |
| 16:15.48 | Ramattack | with domino you have more play in this field with domino.... I say you.... |
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| 16:16.05 | Ronin | it can be done with postfix, as much as i prefer qmail theres no need to change your mta |
| 16:16.08 | Ramattack | sorry don't know I use qmail |
| 16:16.14 | juice` | i need some quick solution, can't re-implement whole enviroment for qmail right now |
| 16:16.39 | Ramattack | no idea in that way mate |
| 16:16.48 | Ramattack | I'd do it with qmail-scanner |
| 16:17.01 | Ronin | juice`: ask in #postfix theyd know more |
| 16:17.13 | Ramattack | and perl-scanner |
| 16:17.15 | juice` | asking there already :) but thought there might be already-made-package in debian |
| 16:17.35 | Ramattack | and if I need more customization.... I'd use domino smtp rules |
| 16:18.03 | Ronin | juice`: spamassassin, greylisting(not sure if that works on postfix mind you) |
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| 16:18.08 | Ramattack | rahul : are you there? |
| 16:18.23 | Ramattack | ronin but he wants to reject spam of it's own users... |
| 16:18.29 | Ramattack | not incoming mail only.... |
| 16:18.29 | Ronin | more importantly find how they are sending spam and close that hole |
| 16:18.38 | Ronin | and if its from your users you lock thier account immediatly |
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| 16:18.51 | Ramattack | I'd set spam scanning for all mails with qmail-scanner |
| 16:18.56 | Ramattack | and later check logs |
| 16:19.02 | Ramattack | to see who's sending spam |
| 16:19.11 | Ramattack | and then block smtp access with vpopmail |
| 16:19.20 | Ramattack | I'd do that |
| 16:20.31 | Ronin | disable free accounts, find who's sending it and lock thier account |
| 16:21.42 | Ramattack | rahul are you there please? |
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| 16:24.28 | rahul | Ramattack: sure, use that setting for a server... |
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| 16:25.55 | Ramattack | rahul : and doesn't mind what does the server? |
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| 16:28.07 | rahul | Ramattack: as long as it uses a network, you won't gain by using preempt or a faster timer |
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| 16:29.00 | Ramattack | but could you in any case slow down perfomance being a mail scanner server or a web content/and antivirus scanner for example? |
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| 16:29.29 | rahul | yes, that stuff is slow and crappy. |
| 16:29.48 | rahul | but that setting is best for it |
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| 16:30.15 | rahul | more aggressive or faster preemption will not help you with such tasks. it will only create more thrashing with context switches |
| 16:30.18 | remoteCtrl | is it possible to disable RESET button ? |
| 16:30.21 | Ramattack | so I wouldn't loose server performance never setting that values like that? |
| 16:30.31 | rahul | Ramattack: you would improve performance |
| 16:30.36 | rahul | that's why it's the recommended server setting! |
| 16:30.41 | Ramattack | ok ok there |
| 16:30.46 | Ramattack | thanks a lot folk |
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| 16:30.56 | Ramattack | time to go mates |
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| 16:31.12 | Ramattack | thans a lot everybody, and juice good luck |
| 16:31.16 | Ramattack | bye!! |
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| 16:33.29 | JordiGH | How does gcc know that /usr/lib and /usr/include are the places to find system header and library files? Where is this specified? I thought it was an environment variable, but I see I was mistaken... |
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| 16:33.56 | infernix | offtopic, but i don't know of any better ways, so here goes. i need some international speedtesting done. if you can, please download http://dx.infernix.net/10mb.bin and state the speed and country you're downloading from. it's greatly appreciated. thanks. |
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| 16:34.00 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 16:34.00 | infernix | JordiGH: try strings `which gcc` | grep include |
| 16:34.17 | MarkH_UK | anyone point me to a guide to upgrade debians .deb kernel from the 2.4 to 2.6 tree please? |
| 16:34.41 | wols | MarkH_UK: apt-get install <kernel deb for 2.6> |
| 16:34.41 | wols | done |
| 16:34.52 | MarkH_UK | wols, well hmmm |
| 16:34.56 | JordiGH | infernix: Huh? What does the output from that command mean? |
| 16:35.00 | remoteCtrl | is it possible to disable RESET button ? |
| 16:35.06 | MarkH_UK | wols, i need to make a specific kernel |
| 16:35.20 | MarkH_UK | default stuff is no good for me |
| 16:35.32 | JordiGH | remoteCtrl: Not from Debian if it's hardware. You'll have to open your box and unplug it. |
| 16:35.36 | MarkH_UK | I was hoping to get the kernel .tar and use that |
| 16:35.41 | MarkH_UK | but i dont want to break the .deb stuff. |
| 16:35.45 | infernix | JordiGH: you'll see parameters for gcc like --include-directory. you can do the same for library instead of include. see man strings for an explanation. |
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| 16:36.21 | infernix | JordiGH: so in effect you can see that it's hardcoded and can be changed by those commandline parameters |
| 16:36.23 | Spec | I set up my logcheck directives to rotate some logs for me, the configuration looks like: /logs/*/messages.log { weekly \n rotate 52 \n missingok \n compress \n noolddir \n dateext \n maxage 365 }, but it seems to be rotating them daily....how can I troubleshoot this? |
| 16:36.24 | JordiGH | infernix: So when compiling gcc you determine where the system headers are? |
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| 16:36.47 | infernix | JordiGH: afaik, yes |
| 16:37.10 | JordiGH | infernix: Ok, thanks. |
| 16:37.11 | remoteCtrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.38 | wols | MarkH_UK: have you ever made a custom kernel? |
| 16:37.46 | JordiGH | remoteCtrl: I think (but I'm no engineer) that the reset button, on machines that still have it, works by physically interrupting current somewhere. |
| 16:37.49 | wols | MarkH_UK: debian works fine with vanilla kernels, nothing to break there |
| 16:37.57 | wols | debian is not suse after all |
| 16:38.05 | MarkH_UK | i didnt say it was |
| 16:38.12 | MarkH_UK | and we have specific gigabit ethernet |
| 16:38.15 | MarkH_UK | which isnt in the kernel |
| 16:38.33 | MarkH_UK | not that i need to give my justification i simply need to build a custom 2.6 kernel |
| 16:38.38 | MarkH_UK | that and the 2.4 kernel is crap! |
| 16:38.46 | MarkH_UK | wols, yes |
| 16:38.52 | JordiGH | MarkH_UK: We in Debian don't like building kernels. :-) |
| 16:39.04 | MarkH_UK | with the kernel-headers and such from 2.4 deb packages |
| 16:39.11 | wols | JordiGH: speak for yourself. I do |
| 16:39.19 | Spec | me too |
| 16:39.36 | JordiGH | MarkH_UK: It's messy, error-prone, and usually (but not always) unnecessary. |
| 16:39.48 | wols | !tell MarkH_UK about kp mantra |
| 16:40.09 | MarkH_UK | JordiGH in my case i specifically need to build options for the kernel |
| 16:40.14 | wols | !tell MarkH_UK about kernel-package |
| 16:40.15 | MarkH_UK | + I dont want a bloatware Kernel |
| 16:40.24 | MarkH_UK | wols, dude i've got the 2.4 stuff |
| 16:40.26 | wols | MarkH_UK: that about bloatware is bullshit |
| 16:40.28 | MarkH_UK | i can make my own 2.4 kernels |
| 16:40.34 | MarkH_UK | no it isnt. |
| 16:40.36 | wols | MarkH_UK: then what is the problem? |
| 16:40.43 | JordiGH | MarkH_UK: #gentoo is that way -----> |
| 16:40.48 | h3sp4wn | Until there is a suitable kernel for desktop use in debian then I will have to build my own |
| 16:41.08 | MarkH_UK | JordiGH shut the fuck up moron |
| 16:41.13 | JordiGH | Hey! |
| 16:41.16 | wols | !moron MarkH_UK |
| 16:41.17 | MarkH_UK | not my fault you morons can't build a kernel |
| 16:41.17 | dpkg | MarkH_UK: You are moron #48 |
| 16:41.27 | Ronin | ya thats going to get folks to help you MarkH_UK |
| 16:41.34 | MarkH_UK | well he's being arsey to me |
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| 16:41.35 | wols | who came in here and asked how to compile a kernel? |
| 16:41.36 | MarkH_UK | expect it back! |
| 16:41.36 | infernix | MarkH_UK: keep your foul language outside of #debian. |
| 16:41.46 | MarkH_UK | *yawn* |
| 16:41.49 | MarkH_UK | he can his say |
| 16:41.50 | MarkH_UK | so can I |
| 16:41.52 | MarkH_UK | fucking tools |
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| 16:42.08 | JordiGH | Anothe satisfied costumer... |
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| 16:43.03 | infernix | Spec: logrotate has a debug function, check its manpage |
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| 16:43.30 | SJr|Work | Anyone know of a good software package that can automate software deployments. It should be able to move files into a certain directory, change permissions, run database queries, alter configuration files and hopefully verify database structure, file contents, and maybe some other custom tests. |
| 16:43.33 | infernix | Spec: it might be that that maxage messes things up, i don't see how it would be needed in a weekly rotation |
| 16:43.33 | Spec | infernix: thanks |
| 16:43.45 | Spec | infernix: i didn't want it to accidently delete my logs until a year has passed |
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| 16:43.51 | Spec | infernix: i was wondering if that could cause a problem though |
| 16:44.03 | infernix | Spec: well that's what 'weekly; rotate 52' does already |
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| 16:44.39 | infernix | SJr|Work: you're asking for a lot there :) is it for a grid? |
| 16:45.06 | Rippey | anyone knows where can i find a debian netinstall of sarge with a recent kernel ? my head gonna explode trying to make one myself |
| 16:45.20 | stew | !kmuto |
| 16:45.20 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:45.32 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: What "desktop use" do you have in mind for which you need to build your own kernel? Are you jonesing for some binary blobs or something? |
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| 16:45.41 | infernix | SJr|Work: check out http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ and http://m23.sourceforge.net/PostNuke-0.750/html/index.php?newlang=eng |
| 16:46.16 | Spec | infernix: well, debug mode says "weekly, 52 rotations", so i'll check tomorrow to see if it rotated or not |
| 16:47.11 | SJr|Work | no infernix we just deploy all packages manually and we are looking at something else |
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| 16:47.43 | SJr|Work | hmmmm sheit, hmmmm we'd need solaris support as well. |
| 16:47.47 | blue|palm | Does anybody know what causes your CTRL+ALT+F1-6 terminals to appear extremely messy? (graphically) Im using an ati X1900XTX with the prop fglrx drivers |
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| 16:48.08 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: I like it to feel fast and audio to not skip - 1000hz and preempt (low latency desktop) seems to do this |
| 16:48.21 | wols | blue|palm: a shitty ati driver most likely |
| 16:48.23 | Rippey | thanks stew |
| 16:48.25 | JordiGH | blue|palm: Extremely messy? Do you have the same problem if you don't run X at all? |
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| 16:48.42 | infernix | SJr|Work: looks like you have a complicated setup. i'd have no idea but perhaps m23 can be modified to support solaris |
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| 16:48.44 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Heh, I don't know what that means, so I'll take your word that you need to build your own kernel. |
| 16:49.00 | infernix | blue|palm: what wols said. |
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| 16:49.31 | blue|palm | JordiGH: no, no problem if no x is running |
| 16:49.32 | Thms | how can I select the default sound device |
| 16:49.37 | wols | blue|palm: you can play around with "reset", use framebuffer or not framebuffer, etc |
| 16:50.11 | wols | dunno if it helps, but worth a try |
| 16:50.11 | JordiGH | blue|palm: wols seems to have ideas.... |
| 16:50.11 | blue|palm | wols: How would i change the framebuffer usage though? |
| 16:50.21 | drummer_wilson | is there any application in debian that reads .rar ? |
| 16:50.26 | JordiGH | drummer_wilson: unrar |
| 16:50.30 | Piukeman | is there a way of having MOTD in COLOR |
| 16:50.30 | drummer_wilson | thnx |
| 16:50.49 | JordiGH | drummer_wilson: I'm not sure if the free version is in sarge, though... you might need to use unrar-nonfree |
| 16:52.00 | drummer_wilson | ok thnx |
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| 16:52.49 | drummer_wilson | oh btw, i need to get wine and some windowish stuff.. so how do i do that? |
| 16:53.03 | HardDisk_WP | peace! |
| 16:53.03 | StyXman | drummer_wilson: apt-get install wine |
| 16:53.04 | JordiGH | drummer_wilson: aptitude install wine. Good luck, though. |
| 16:53.11 | drummer_wilson | y? |
| 16:53.22 | drummer_wilson | i see |
| 16:53.26 | HardDisk_WP | any way that I can use a USB camera driver for windows under linux as ndiswrapper does it with LAN drivers? |
| 16:53.28 | JordiGH | Wine is highly beta. I've also never tried hard enough, though. |
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| 16:53.52 | drummer_wilson | is there a gui version of wine? |
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| 16:54.10 | JordiGH | drummer_wilson: Wine has a "gui" already. You'll still will most likely need to tinker to get it working. |
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| 16:54.15 | fuynfactory | HI |
| 16:54.23 | xxl3w | are the mirros up? i can't get us.debian.org to work |
| 16:54.25 | xxl3w | mirrors |
| 16:54.27 | StyXman | drummer_wilson: tehre used to be a wine-setup or something like that... |
| 16:54.39 | wols | HardDisk_WP: no |
| 16:54.40 | StyXman | xxl3w: use mirrors.kernel.org |
| 16:54.46 | Piukeman | is there a way of having MOTD in COLOR |
| 16:54.49 | HardDisk_WP | wols, :( |
| 16:55.05 | xxl3w | weird. |
| 16:55.07 | drummer_wilson | whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 16:55.14 | JordiGH | Piukeman: There ought to be... I've seen MOTD in colours, but I've never figured out how to do it. |
| 16:55.14 | xxl3w | i can ping google.com but i can't geton the mirrors |
| 16:55.22 | JordiGH | !tell drummer_wilson about aptitude |
| 16:55.36 | JordiGH | !tell drummer_wilson about why aptitude |
| 16:55.38 | grendal_prime | aptitude rocks |
| 16:55.53 | xerophyte | does anybody use shorewall how can i make the shorewall to drop connection from as soon as i type shorewall drop ip ? seems like establish connection its still there |
| 16:56.11 | JordiGH | aptitude does indeed rock, but switching from apt-get to aptitude has always been rocky for me. Clean installs with aptitude are teh w00t, though. |
| 16:56.20 | StyXman | xxl3w: can you access any other site? did you try to access them via ftp? |
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| 16:57.09 | grendal_prime | if i have the loacal set to gmt does the box enven worry about locals ? |
| 16:57.22 | wols | grendal_prime: locals? |
| 16:57.30 | JordiGH | locales? |
| 16:57.38 | wols | !tell grendal_prime about locales |
| 16:57.44 | wols | and it has nothing to do with time |
| 16:57.47 | JordiGH | StyXman: Masochist! |
| 16:58.04 | StyXman | JordiGH: yaeh, and I like it :) |
| 16:58.35 | infernix | drummer_wilson: wine is fairly usable for average windows applications. RTFM and read them well though. |
| 16:59.13 | JordiGH | infernix: I've heard success stories of people running complicated Windows games with wine, but I bet it's all just foul rumours. |
| 16:59.20 | infernix | not really |
| 16:59.25 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 16:59.28 | infernix | i ran WoW in wine for a long time and it worked well |
| 16:59.43 | infernix | nowadays i'm only using avisynth in wine and a few other windows video tools |
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| 16:59.48 | JordiGH | infernix: So you're the one spreading those rumours. :-) |
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| 16:59.54 | wols | JordiGH: more like JordiGH-ineptitude :P |
| 16:59.55 | dkr | I use wine as part of a commercial product, :) |
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| 17:00.06 | infernix | drummer_wilson: /join #winehq for more info, really |
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| 17:01.06 | JordiGH | wols: You've had problems with aptitude? Sometimes, often, it's conflict-resolution mechanism needs a helping hand, but at least it can be helped! I never figured out how to suggest a solution to apt-get when it got stuck. |
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| 17:01.22 | JordiGH | wols: I mean, other than forcing stuff. :-/ |
| 17:01.37 | wols | no. I meant YOU have problem with properly using WINE :P |
| 17:01.48 | wols | sinec you#re incapable of configuring it properly :P |
| 17:01.52 | grendal_prime | this is werid...the system is compleatly up to date and the new dst files did not get updated |
| 17:02.13 | JordiGH | wols: Oh. :-) Well, yeah, I haven't tried very hard. Someone wanted it for Maple, and I was like "meh, use Maxima with a TeXmacs interface." |
| 17:03.12 | grendal_prime | anybody else have that happen on a sarge system? |
| 17:03.19 | wols | however, debian wine often sucked majorly. you had to use winehq.com installes |
| 17:03.27 | wols | got better lately now maybe |
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| 17:04.02 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: Are DST updates critical enough to be backported to sarge? |
| 17:04.29 | dkr | JordiGH: they DSt updates ar eins arge |
| 17:04.41 | dkr | !dst change |
| 17:04.42 | dpkg | i heard dst change is Support for DST change in USA 2007 is provided by libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 in sarge and tzdata-2006p-1 in etch. 'zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007' should show March 11 and Nov 4 (instead of April/October). If you've recently updated, restart any daemons relying on /etc/localtime or reboot. |
| 17:04.43 | wols | JordiGH: sarge is still stable. no "Backports" for such a thing |
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| 17:05.00 | stew | grendal_prime: run tzconfig and check again |
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| 17:06.35 | stew | !dst change =~ s#updated,#updated, run "tzconfig", and # |
| 17:06.36 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 17:07.30 | abrotman | perl ? |
| 17:07.30 | stew | JordiGH: luckly i wasn't talking to you :) |
| 17:08.35 | JordiGH | stew: Still on the camel book. I'm considering sending patches to vrms. :-) |
| 17:08.54 | stew | :) |
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| 17:09.26 | dkr | use the comment character as a delimiter for s/// is a bit misleading. :) |
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| 17:09.44 | aabc | dkr: its a habbit from replacing so many urls in factoids |
| 17:09.52 | JordiGH | Aha. |
| 17:10.07 | aabc | JordiGH: i found a great way to learn perl fast. convince a client that you already know it and start a large perl project |
| 17:10.17 | JordiGH | Hahaha! |
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| 17:10.44 | aabc | oops, i'm using the wrong window here |
| 17:11.43 | stew | i thought maybe someone would be more willing to spam aabc than stew, but it was not the case |
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| 17:12.09 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, you're aabc? |
| 17:12.11 | abrotman | stew: i haven't gotten spam in ages .. though i am id'ed to nickserv |
| 17:12.45 | stew | abrotman: i've never once gotten /msg spam on this network, ever, even years ago when we had the turkish bots entering and leaving every few seconds |
| 17:13.00 | abrotman | years ago? .. wasn't that last year? |
| 17:13.03 | stew | abrotman: (and aabc wasn't IDed) |
| 17:13.20 | abrotman | maybe it was two years ago ... |
| 17:13.23 | stew | abrotman: no i'm thinking of like 4 years ago |
| 17:13.30 | stew | whatever, its never happened |
| 17:13.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:13.57 | abrotman | i used to .. but not anymore |
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| 17:16.12 | kupesoft | Alright, the moment of truth. I'm installing etch on my t60 ;/ |
| 17:16.21 | kupesoft | Wish me good luck? |
| 17:16.49 | abrotman | :bless kupesoft |
| 17:16.49 | stew | !bless kupesoft |
| 17:16.49 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child kupesoft, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 17:16.50 | abrotman | !bless kupesoft |
| 17:16.52 | abrotman | damn |
| 17:16.59 | abrotman | TOO MANY BOTS! |
| 17:17.05 | kupesoft | It's tough to say who won that one, |
| 17:17.14 | kupesoft | I guess stew did, |
| 17:17.16 | stew | :gf |
| 17:17.29 | stew | abrotman: go for it. i no longer have that client |
| 17:17.36 | abrotman | stew: :gf has been done in here .. it was messy |
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| 17:17.42 | stew | i remember |
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| 17:17.55 | stew | was it damog? |
| 17:18.03 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 17:18.21 | stew | i guess it was probably :owner |
| 17:18.36 | abrotman | aye |
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| 17:19.46 | abrotman | stew: but i bet damog would if he could :) |
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| 17:19.56 | retro_neo | when I place a php.ini in /usr/local/lib, apache no longer parses my .php files as php, what can be causing that? |
| 17:20.26 | stew | is it me, or is that a self-answering question? |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | i think those are both self-answering :) |
| 17:21.02 | stew | oh, i missed the "as php" part |
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| 17:21.30 | stew | retro_neo: well, why are you putting it in /usr/local/lib/ in the first place? |
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| 17:23.03 | retro_neo | stew: I though it was the right place, because when looking at a phpinfo output, I got "Configuration File (php.ini) Path /usr/local/lib" |
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| 17:24.35 | unlink | why does metacity take *so* long to spawn an xterm, even when the system is under extremely light load? |
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| 17:24.48 | deck | hi all |
| 17:24.56 | JordiGH | unlink: Is metacity to blame for that? |
| 17:25.05 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 17:25.38 | stew | retro_neo: the correct place is /etc/php4/xxx/php.ini where xxx might be apache or apache2 or cli...etc |
| 17:25.55 | abrotman | retro_neo: did you build your own PHP ? |
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| 17:26.21 | Daemonik | How secure is Debian stable compared to OpenBSD? |
| 17:26.50 | abrotman | which parts ... |
| 17:26.56 | JordiGH | Daemonik: Well, we're not secure by default, but it's not bad. The security team tries very hard to make Debian stable as secure as possible; security fixes are highest priority. |
| 17:27.09 | abrotman | AUIU .. core OBSD is pretty secure .. but as soon as you start adding stuff on . it's just like all the rest |
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| 17:27.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: Isn't the added stuff mostly turned off by default anyways? |
| 17:27.30 | damog | abrotman: how the core is "pretty secure"? |
| 17:27.35 | wols | and without the added stuff, it's a very useless OS :) |
| 17:27.50 | abrotman | depends what it's doing |
| 17:27.56 | retro_neo | abrotman: yes, I compiled php5.2 |
| 17:27.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: in both debian and obsd .. yes |
| 17:28.01 | abrotman | retro_neo: why? |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | retro_neo: then you should ask ##php where your ini file goes .. with debian packages it is as stew described above |
| 17:28.25 | JordiGH | Daemonik: However, Debian doesnt' have the awesome release songs. :-) |
| 17:28.28 | retro_neo | abrotman: I needed special modules |
| 17:28.42 | retro_neo | abrotman: ##php is overloaded, I can't enter : |
| 17:28.42 | stew | retro_neo: like which? |
| 17:28.59 | abrotman | retro_neo: which modules? |
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| 17:29.25 | Daemonik | abrotman, Want to run Apache Postfix silcd sshd bitlbee and that's about it. |
| 17:29.53 | wols | Daemonik: you can. |
| 17:29.54 | retro_neo | freetype, gd, tidy, xml, curl, iconv... |
| 17:29.58 | JordiGH | Daemonik: OpenBSD forked Apache due to licensing conflicts, iirc. I'm sure their Apache must be very tight. I don't know about the others. |
| 17:30.00 | abrotman | Daemonik: security.debian.org .. shows items we've patched |
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| 17:30.02 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 17:30.03 | dpkg | tracker of doom is probably a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 17:30.06 | unlink | JordiGH: i have no idea |
| 17:30.07 | abrotman | shows things we havne't .. i guess |
| 17:30.08 | JordiGH | Are offtoipc yet? |
| 17:30.13 | retro_neo | and I needed to be able to use it with lighttpd too |
| 17:30.13 | unlink | JordiGH: i'm assuming it's xterm's fault |
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| 17:30.23 | abrotman | retro_neo: AFAIK .. all those modules are in debian |
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| 17:30.50 | unlink | JordiGH: the weird thing is it doesn't happen consistently, only during "bouts" of slowness (where everything else still starts up quickly) |
| 17:31.01 | wols | retro_neo: apt-cache show php5-gd |
| 17:31.08 | JordiGH | unlink: Tried running top when things are slow? |
| 17:31.10 | wols | retro_neo: for example |
| 17:31.12 | Daemonik | abrotman, Thanks I'll check that out. |
| 17:31.14 | ewanm89 | Is there a way of adding a binary to path without the rest of the directory? |
| 17:31.14 | unlink | JordiGH: yeah |
| 17:31.15 | x_link | I can't install hddparm now, I did it right before I did this re-install. ANd I use the non-free repo. |
| 17:31.21 | JordiGH | unlink: And nothing obvious? |
| 17:31.24 | unlink | JordiGH: nope. |
| 17:31.24 | Daemonik | Thank you all in here who responded. IRC rocks. =) |
| 17:31.29 | retro_neo | abrotman: can't remember exactly what the issue was, but I tried debian's packages before compiling my own |
| 17:31.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:33.31 | wols | x_link: hdparm |
| 17:33.31 | x_link | ok |
| 17:33.31 | wols | retro_neo: even if you compiled your own, you should still hav started with the source debs |
| 17:33.32 | x_link | Same thign with kdetheme |
| 17:33.32 | JordiGH | unlink: I don't know, then. It's probably something very subtle. :-/ |
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| 17:33.36 | retro_neo | anyway, nobody has an idea what can be causing apache2 to no longer parse php when I place a php.ini ? |
| 17:33.37 | wols | !tell x_link about search |
| 17:33.41 | stew | retro_neo: "apt-get install php4-gd php4-curl php4-domxml" should take care of all of that |
| 17:33.44 | unlink | JordiGH: probably |
| 17:33.56 | deck | Have anybody had experience with installation of graphics driver for Intel 82852/82855? |
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| 17:33.59 | wols | stew: he wanted php5 |
| 17:34.13 | wols | deck: ask your real question |
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| 17:34.36 | stew | retro_neo: you can do the same with php5 instead of php4, but then leave off domxml |
| 17:34.41 | deck | I have problems running install.sh script |
| 17:34.57 | stew | deck: which install.sh script? |
| 17:35.06 | stew | deck: and what problems? |
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| 17:35.24 | wols | stew: probably the one intel supplied |
| 17:35.27 | deck | that's a script which is inside of the driver package I downloaded from Intel site |
| 17:35.31 | wols | which he's probably not supposed to use in debian |
| 17:36.05 | abrotman | deck: driver for what ? |
| 17:36.23 | deck | it's a driver for my onboard Graphics card |
| 17:36.30 | abrotman | deck: be less vague ... |
| 17:36.51 | abrotman | deck: which video card .. which release of debian .. |
| 17:36.51 | deck | It's a laptop Fujitsu-Siemens S7010 |
| 17:37.00 | stew | deck: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:37.02 | deck | I'm using Eth 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:37.16 | stew | deck: did you try the i810 driver that comes with x ? |
| 17:37.18 | abrotman | and which video device ? |
| 17:37.23 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:37.29 | deck | nope |
| 17:37.48 | deck | what should i do to use that i810? |
| 17:37.58 | stew | !drxxorg deck |
| 17:37.58 | dpkg | deck: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 17:38.09 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. when it asks which driver .. choose i810 |
| 17:38.09 | stew | !literal drxxorg |
| 17:38.15 | abrotman | cmd! |
| 17:38.18 | stew | right |
| 17:38.31 | deck | ok. I will give it a try |
| 17:38.37 | craigevil | doesn't xserver-xorg-video-i810 supply that driver module for xorg? |
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| 17:38.57 | craigevil | xserver-xorg-video-i810 - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
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| 17:39.05 | stew | !cmd drxxorg (.*?) =~ s#If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5>## |
| 17:39.06 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd drxxorg (.*?)' to modify, stew |
| 17:39.12 | stew | !cmd: drxxorg (.*?) =~ s#If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5>## |
| 17:39.13 | dpkg | stew: too drastic change of factoid. |
| 17:39.13 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:39.13 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 17:39.36 | stew | !drxxorg me |
| 17:39.36 | dpkg | stew: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. |
| 17:39.42 | jetscreamer | i never did get that (.*?) |
| 17:39.44 | stew | dpkg: your confused |
| 17:39.47 | abrotman | you're |
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| 17:43.03 | deck | ok - I gave it a try with i810 |
| 17:43.23 | deck | now how to verify if 3d acceleration is working? |
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| 17:43.42 | wols | glxinfo |
| 17:44.18 | deck | i don't have this command |
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| 17:44.28 | Ronin | then install it |
| 17:44.35 | grendal_prime | sooo umm what was the final word on sarge and the dst's not updateing? |
| 17:44.38 | grendal_prime | anyone? |
| 17:44.40 | grendal_prime | anyone? |
| 17:44.47 | stew | grendal_prime: have you run tzconfig? |
| 17:44.47 | abrotman | deck: lspci | grep VGA .. waht does it say ? |
| 17:44.59 | grendal_prime | april |
| 17:45.11 | abrotman | it doesn't say april .. they don't make video cards anymore |
| 17:45.23 | deck | abrotman: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated |
| 17:45.32 | abrotman | deck: you should be perfectly fine with the i810 driver |
| 17:45.41 | abrotman | i believe i have the same card at home in my laptop |
| 17:45.54 | grendal_prime | if i run this it shows last years dsts zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 |
| 17:46.11 | grendal_prime | basically the april1 to oct 28th |
| 17:46.12 | Ronin | grendal_prime: whens the last time you did apt-get update? |
| 17:46.12 | deck | well, X is working but I need 3d acceleration which seems to be off |
| 17:46.19 | torrr | !group |
| 17:46.20 | dpkg | adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page. |
| 17:46.22 | grendal_prime | Ronin: just now |
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| 17:46.44 | abrotman | deck: then look at your X log for possible errors |
| 17:46.51 | grendal_prime | and yesterday, and the daybofore as well |
| 17:46.57 | Ronin | grendal_prime: and you've read /dpkg dst change ? |
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| 17:47.16 | stew | grendal_prime: have you run tzconfig |
| 17:47.19 | Ronin | damn it |
| 17:47.19 | grendal_prime | thats why im confused, and this did not do this on the 10 other machiens idid |
| 17:47.28 | deck | ok. I've installed mesa-utils to run glxinfo | grep direct |
| 17:47.35 | deck | here is the output: |
| 17:47.42 | deck | direct rendering: No |
| 17:47.45 | abrotman | deck: then look at your X log for possible errors |
| 17:47.56 | deck | OpenGL rendering string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 17:48.04 | tuvwx | why would windows get cropped horizontally when moved from one monitor to another in mergedfb mode although both have 1280 horizontal resolution? |
| 17:48.06 | deck | ok I will take a look at the logs |
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| 17:48.34 | torrr | anyone knows proftpd? |
| 17:49.21 | Ronin | !anyone |
| 17:49.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:49.21 | jetscreamer | i met him... |
| 17:49.21 | grendal_prime | thanks stew |
| 17:49.21 | grendal_prime | hmm werid its an hour off now |
| 17:49.22 | grendal_prime | why did ummm dpkg not do that when it updated |
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| 17:49.28 | grendal_prime | maybe i missed the script prompt? |
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| 17:49.43 | torrr | I installed proftpd, but it let me write only if the dir is chmod 0775 |
| 17:49.44 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/393572 |
| 17:49.49 | torrr | no 0755 |
| 17:49.51 | x_link | I use 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 17:49.58 | x_link | Is that not the packages I need to install nvidia? |
| 17:50.03 | torrr | where proftpd user and its group is nogroup |
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| 17:51.22 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 17:51.22 | dpkg | somebody said nv.run was If you don't want to break your system ask me about <nvidia one-liner>. Break it quick and dirty: get root. kill X. then paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` && md /usr/src/nvda/ && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run -anN |
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| 17:51.48 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i thought you weren't supposed to do that? :) |
| 17:51.49 | jetscreamer | my factoid has been haxored |
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| 17:51.58 | jetscreamer | i didn't... dpkg did it. |
| 17:52.19 | abrotman | <dpkg> nv.run -- last modified 3d 21h 55m 30s ago by bzed!n=bzed@dslb-084-059-127-040.pools.arcor-ip.net; it has been requested once, last by jetscreamer, 51s ago. |
| 17:52.21 | abrotman | ask him |
| 17:52.22 | torrr | !proftpd |
| 17:52.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. or down or something or dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... try using vsftpd if you don't need any proftpd specific features. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
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| 17:52.42 | jetscreamer | i don't care as long as the content still works |
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| 17:53.06 | abrotman | i'd think there'd be a better way other than hardcoding the URL |
| 17:53.15 | sylvanthis | hey, how can i use less for viewing man pages instead of more? |
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| 17:53.32 | abrotman | like using latest.txt |
| 17:53.43 | jetscreamer | make sure less is installed |
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| 17:54.23 | jetscreamer | yeah they don't have a 'current' or 'latest' symlink |
| 17:54.25 | sylvanthis | jetscreamer, is that all? will it then use less automatically? |
| 17:54.35 | jetscreamer | sylvanthis: afaict yes |
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| 17:54.51 | sylvanthis | ok thnx |
| 17:54.55 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 17:54.57 | \amethyst | sylvanthis: By default man in debian uses $PAGER, or /usr/bin/pager if that doesn't exist |
| 17:55.00 | jetscreamer | aka i could be wrong |
| 17:55.05 | kennell | Hi ... need a URL to a DebianPackages Archive .. |
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| 17:55.12 | kennell | for etch |
| 17:55.13 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you could download latest.txt .. parse it .. pass it |
| 17:55.14 | jetscreamer | there is also update-alternatives |
| 17:55.21 | abrotman | kennell: the whole thing |
| 17:55.21 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:55.28 | \amethyst | sylvanthis: If you install less, it will replace more as the alternative for 'pager' by default |
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| 17:55.41 | wols | !tell kennell about mirrors |
| 17:55.42 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 17:55.42 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 17:56.09 | \amethyst | sylvanthis: but you can use update-alternatives --config pager (after installing less) to make sure |
| 17:56.18 | torrr | what is flood's butt? |
| 17:56.36 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:56.42 | jetscreamer | heck they're on 9755 now |
| 17:56.47 | Ronin | floods butt? what the heck is that |
| 17:56.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: but latest.txt doesn't admit that |
| 17:56.59 | torrr | !proftpd |
| 17:57.00 | dpkg | from memory, proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. or down or something or dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... try using vsftpd if you don't need any proftpd specific features. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
| 17:57.02 | sylvanthis | \amethyst, ahh thnx a lot, is that debian specific? because i never encoutered the command b4 |
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| 17:57.17 | Ronin | torrr: you do know about /msg dpkg right? |
| 17:57.24 | torrr | dpkg said "Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. " |
| 17:57.25 | \amethyst | sylvanthis: yes |
| 17:57.25 | dpkg | okay, torrr |
| 17:57.46 | kennell | so ... i have to w฿rite in /etc/apt/sources.list : http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 17:57.47 | kennell | ? |
| 17:57.53 | sylvanthis | \amethyst, okay ^^ ty man will teach the rest =D |
| 17:57.53 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and of course .. it doesn't work for amd64 |
| 17:57.58 | asad2005 | I want to install debian on powermac G3 B&W, but the system hangs directly after loading ramdisk any help ? |
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| 17:58.12 | archville | Hi. |
| 17:58.14 | ugly | I trying to diagnose a *possible* hardware problem. Would you agree with the following statement: "The combination of using your CD-ROM drive and booting a Linux LiveCD shouldn't require any less power draw (as in from the PSU) than simply booting Windows XP off of a 7200rpm serial ATA drive"? |
| 17:58.23 | torrr | but I don';t know what's flood's butt? |
| 17:58.23 | markybob | torrr, it was used to be nice and not use 'ass'...use vsftpd instead |
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| 17:59.50 | \amethyst | !seen Flood |
| 17:59.51 | dpkg | \amethyst: i haven't seen 'flood' |
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| 18:00.07 | torrr | markybob: I can't configure vsftpd. vsftpd is for people and kernel.org, people that can do kernel stuff, and don't need english just 000101010100111010s |
| 18:00.19 | Gecko | Hey there. On debian sarge, how much do I need to install before having remote X functionalities? The actual machine will never run X. |
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| 18:00.28 | torrr | s/and ker/at ker |
| 18:00.36 | triplc | hi all, i've just install debian etch and "apt-get install timidity" but i do not know how to make MIDI work. I open "kcontrol" but cannot see MIDI device. could you please kindly help |
| 18:00.50 | markybob | torrr, c'mon, you're one of God's chosen people. how hard can vsftpd be with him in your corner? (and #debian) |
| 18:01.27 | wols | triplc: is your soundcard working? |
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| 18:01.44 | abrotman | Gecko: the apps you want and sshd |
| 18:01.53 | wols | Gecko: just install the X using program you want to use on it |
| 18:01.54 | torrr | markybob: who me? |
| 18:02.14 | Gecko | wols: well, it's not a deb package, but I could just install xterm... That might work |
| 18:02.19 | markybob | ok, i take it back. apparently very difficult |
| 18:02.31 | triplc | wols, yes, the sound card working well, i can play normal music (mp3...), etc.... but the program "noteedit" does not have sound (i think that program use MIDI) |
| 18:02.35 | markybob | abrotman, save me from myself here.... ;) |
| 18:02.54 | wols | triplc: check your /dev/sndstat |
| 18:03.03 | markybob | haha |
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| 18:03.17 | Gecko | triplc: well, I can't help you much here, but I do know that you need both the midi module for your soundcard and a soundfont file |
| 18:03.21 | wols | abrotman: freenode changed that to some uncomprehensible mode now |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | +b or something .. whatever it is i don't remember .. i rarely have to use it |
| 18:03.43 | abrotman | !fn modes |
| 18:03.44 | dpkg | umodes is probably http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 18:03.49 | stew | wols: its still +q, but it shows up as +b ~ in the banlist |
| 18:03.57 | torrr | markybob: It is a shame about the security holes, but at least I got it to work, well kind of |
| 18:04.05 | craigevil | triplc: after installing timidit, also install freepats, then open kcontrol |
| 18:04.08 | triplc | wols, ok, just "ls" and see that /dev/sndstat is the sym-link to "/proc/asound/oss/sndstat". is that ok? |
| 18:04.09 | stew | err +b % |
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| 18:04.35 | abrotman | +q (quiet user)This mode works like +b (ban user), but instead simply quiets the user. It is currently equivalent to a +b whose masked is prefaced by the percent sign (for example, "+b %foo" is equivalent to "+q foo"). |
| 18:04.35 | triplc | yes, i've install freepats already |
| 18:04.36 | jelly | !midi |
| 18:04.36 | dpkg | methinks midi is MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
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| 18:04.40 | torrr | markybob: it aparantly want group writable directoroies which I don't understand why |
| 18:04.54 | jelly | freepats sound rather bad |
| 18:04.59 | markybob | torrr, i dont use proftpd, so i cant help you there. sorry |
| 18:05.05 | \amethyst | torrr: maybe it's not running as the user you think it is when it writes the files? |
| 18:05.08 | stew | !midi =~ s#MUSICAL INSTRUMENT DIGITAL INTERFACE#Musical Instrument Digital Interface# |
| 18:05.09 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 18:05.36 | torrr | maybe.. how can I find out? |
| 18:05.40 | sambiase | please...I just bought a DVB device....anyone here have a DVB with the chipset gl861? I cant find the driver to it |
| 18:05.43 | craigevil | triplc: if there is no midi device, check use midi wrapper and put /usr/bin/timidity |
| 18:05.49 | torrr | is there some log of file access? |
| 18:06.03 | rahul | wow |
| 18:06.07 | \amethyst | torrr: When you have it group writable and upload a file, who owns the file? |
| 18:06.09 | rahul | a lambdathyst. |
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| 18:06.14 | \amethyst | rahul: hey |
| 18:06.20 | jelly | timidity can be run as a daemon and provide the midi devices. |
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| 18:06.22 | rahul | \amethyst: ltns |
| 18:06.29 | \amethyst | rahul: indeed |
| 18:06.34 | triplc | craigevil, do i need to reboot the computer after installing freepats+timidity? |
| 18:06.37 | craigevil | triplc: a decent howto for midi is > http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Three_Steps_to_MIDI_on_Linux |
| 18:06.39 | stew | sambiase: try the "kmuto.jp" link in /msg dpkg hcl |
| 18:06.43 | torrr | when it is written I can tell you what was written |
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| 18:07.08 | sambiase | whats that stew? |
| 18:07.14 | torrr | -rw------- 1 ftp nogroup |
| 18:07.19 | sambiase | sorry...but im new to linux |
| 18:07.21 | torrr | humm |
| 18:07.24 | \amethyst | torrr: so who owns the directory? |
| 18:07.28 | triplc | craigevil, ok, just open your sugesting webpage and reading it. |
| 18:07.30 | EvilBob | !jigdo |
| 18:07.31 | dpkg | hmm... jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 18:07.33 | torrr | I think we have a solution |
| 18:07.44 | torrr | the directory is owned by proftpd |
| 18:07.55 | \amethyst | torrr: there you go |
| 18:08.10 | torrr | the proftpd process is run by proftpd user |
| 18:08.11 | \amethyst | torrr: try chowning it to user ftp |
| 18:08.32 | \amethyst | hm |
| 18:08.32 | torrr | ok |
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| 18:08.50 | sambiase | oohh..i gotta it |
| 18:09.14 | sambiase | but thats PCI...my device is USB |
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| 18:12.33 | torrr | well, it works |
| 18:12.39 | torrr | chowning to ftp |
| 18:12.54 | deck | abrotman: i810 is working!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 18:13.07 | abrotman | yay! |
| 18:13.07 | torrr | I also see why it was ftp, there is an other user statement there in the <Anonymous> block |
| 18:13.30 | deck | abrotman: what was the command to check fps ratio? |
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| 18:13.42 | abrotman | !glxgears |
| 18:13.43 | dpkg | well, glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 18:14.19 | jelly | fps ratio to what? |
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| 18:14.36 | deck | fps - frames per seconds |
| 18:14.48 | deck | there was a command showing it |
| 18:15.07 | jelly | deck: ah, what dpkg said |
| 18:15.29 | deck | i saw it |
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| 18:16.11 | jetscreamer | cg_drawfps 1 ? |
| 18:16.14 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 18:16.35 | jelly | deck: rate, not ratio... I was being a grammar nazi |
| 18:17.30 | deck | ok - my mistake - you're right jelly |
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| 18:17.47 | archville | jetscreamer, cg_drawFPS is case sensitive i think :P |
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| 18:18.30 | adj | how do i tell an interface to not use dhcp to get the nameservers, but to use the ones i specify instead? i assumed i just add the dns-search and dns-nameservers lines to /etc/network/interfaces and restart networking, but this didnt work... any help? |
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| 18:19.04 | linux_manju | adj, I guess dhcpclient config files has that option |
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| 18:20.35 | linux_manju | request domain-name, domain-name-servers take out these two in dhclient.conf |
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| 18:21.14 | adj | linux_manju: nice, thank you |
| 18:21.19 | linux_manju | NP |
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| 18:21.28 | jcdury | hi there channel :) |
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| 18:22.19 | jcdury | I'm trying to boot the cd sarge in a power pc G3.. it's impossible |
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| 18:24.36 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 18:24.37 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 18:25.46 | StarOfDeath | hi |
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| 18:26.16 | StarOfDeath | I need a mirror of woody, but it should be woody not sarg or etch. |
| 18:26.20 | StarOfDeath | do you know any one? |
| 18:26.37 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 18:26.56 | jetscreamer | what's that old package site/repo? |
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| 18:27.02 | jetscreamer | !archive |
| 18:27.02 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:27.08 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
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| 18:30.12 | StarOfDeath | Thank you dpkg |
| 18:30.12 | dpkg | pas de quoi, StarOfDeath |
| 18:32.38 | yos87 | hi |
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| 18:36.03 | archville | Hi, i randomly get an "unexpected reloc type 0x44" error on Debian Etch. It can be after a minute of using it or after hours and it doesn't relate to any specific application. The point is when the error ocurs i can't start any program until reboot. ยฟ Any tip ? |
| 18:36.04 | abrotman | !ado |
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| 18:36.04 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 18:43.58 | wad | I've been setting up my first Debian box, to be used as a web server. I'm finding that all the packages in Sarge are too old to be useful. People laugh at me when I try and get support for them on freenode. :/ |
| 18:44.25 | wad | What problems am I likely to encounter with Etch? |
| 18:44.56 | wad | Is there a website or something where I can see what percent of packages are in etch? I'm kind of a newbie at Debian. |
| 18:45.11 | rahul | what percent of what packages? |
| 18:45.22 | rahul | percentages are relative. |
| 18:45.25 | wad | :) |
| 18:45.28 | rahul | etch is 100% of etch |
| 18:45.43 | cydork | wad: most of us wont run etch on webservers.. |
| 18:45.44 | stew | its probably more than that at this point |
| 18:45.47 | wad | I mean, say there are 9999 packages available for sarge. How many of these are available for etch? |
| 18:45.57 | wad | cydork: Why not? |
| 18:45.58 | rahul | wad: 12,000 of them |
| 18:46.03 | stew | wad: /msg dpkg dstats sarge ; /msg dpkg dstats etch |
| 18:46.10 | wad | Awesome, stew! |
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| 18:46.39 | cydork | wad: 1) security! 2) security... hmm did i mention security :P |
| 18:46.45 | wad | Ah... |
| 18:46.49 | stew | wad: it doesn't do anything smart like tell you which packages which are available in sarge are not available in etch or anything smart like that, its just raw numbers |
| 18:47.03 | wad | stew: At least it's an indication. |
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| 18:48.09 | wad | Allright, so it looks like 84% |
| 18:48.26 | wad | Wait, that's wrong! |
| 18:48.40 | wad | lol, there are more packages for etch than for sarge! |
| 18:49.21 | stew | wad: as one would expect from a releease that comes 2 years later |
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| 18:50.05 | jelly | number of source packages might be more interesting |
| 18:50.35 | wad | I wonder if there is any way to determine how much longer until etch is released. |
| 18:50.43 | wad | Well, the obvious way: Wait. |
| 18:51.01 | wad | Is there a website that gives a status on the testing efforts? |
| 18:51.09 | jelly | wad: time machine! |
| 18:51.09 | Tallu | wad: well, you can keep track of release critical bugs here, atleast.. http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 18:51.12 | wad | I'm wondering if I should just not use debian until etch is ready. |
| 18:51.14 | stew | wad: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ <- when that "39" hits "0" |
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| 18:51.28 | stew | wad: or 2 weeks after the etch RC2 installer is released, whichever comes later |
| 18:51.29 | wad | Awesome, Tallu, thanks! |
| 18:52.11 | Tallu | wad: no problem :) |
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| 18:52.46 | FJ_Sanchez | Hi |
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| 18:52.57 | FJ_Sanchez | Can someone help me with NIS? |
| 18:52.59 | GhostlyDeath | How do I use contrib and non-free using synaptic and have it not complaining about "OMG THE SOURCE IS NOT VERIFIED!!!!111111" |
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| 18:53.46 | GhostlyDeath | It's "non-free" right? |
| 18:53.52 | FJ_Sanchez | It seems that NIS is working, I can do an ypcat passwd |
| 18:54.31 | FJ_Sanchez | But, if I try a su - anotheruser, I can authenticate but I get: No directory, logging in with HOME=/ |
| 18:54.43 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 18:54.48 | FJ_Sanchez | I have the dir mounted on right location... |
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| 18:55.47 | wad | If I follow that chart, we should see 0 release-concern bugs sometime in April! |
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| 18:56.57 | GhostlyDeath | neat my BIOS has the rigtht time?!!? |
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| 18:57.30 | GhostlyDeath | dpkg ipw3945 |
| 18:57.31 | dpkg | i heard ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
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| 19:02.16 | adj | hmm. im getting errors when trying to install libkrb5-dev on sarge: "libkrb5-dev: Depends: comerr-dev but it is not going to be installed" |
| 19:02.27 | GhostlyDeath | What else do I need to get my Wireless ipw3945 working? |
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| 19:02.36 | ry1 | what do you have so far? |
| 19:03.03 | GhostlyDeath | firmware, modules-mykernelversionhere-amd64 |
| 19:03.15 | adj | now. trying to install comerr-dev says it wont go because it depends on libc6-dev or libc-dev. should apt cascade and install these for me? i belive there is a deeper problem |
| 19:03.39 | GhostlyDeath | ipw3945d |
| 19:03.42 | ry1 | sounds good to me, are the modules compiled and working properly? |
| 19:03.54 | GhostlyDeath | These are prebuilt |
| 19:04.08 | ry1 | are they running as processes? |
| 19:04.11 | GhostlyDeath | downloading... done |
| 19:04.14 | GhostlyDeath | not yet |
| 19:04.14 | adj | however, this is essentially a fresh sarge install fully upgraded, so is it the libkrb5-dev package thats broke? google doesnt seem to yeild much on this.... |
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| 19:04.43 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 19:04.44 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until it exits.. |
| 19:05.05 | jetscreamer | hit y also when needed |
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| 19:05.26 | stevepastelan | hi |
| 19:05.29 | stevepastelan | quick general linux question |
| 19:05.32 | adj | jetscreamer: was taht to me? |
| 19:05.42 | stevepastelan | is it possible to login (with ssh) and not appear in the `who` list? |
| 19:05.44 | ry1 | fire away |
| 19:05.44 | jetscreamer | adj... only if you want it to be.... |
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| 19:05.52 | jetscreamer | but yeah |
| 19:05.55 | ry1 | possibly, don't remember how to do it |
| 19:05.59 | GhostlyDeath | wireless ain't working |
| 19:06.05 | stevepastelan | I don't know what to google fro ;p |
| 19:06.07 | stevepastelan | for* |
| 19:06.14 | GhostlyDeath | says my Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG does not exist when it does... |
| 19:06.31 | ry1 | then your modules aint running, check your syslogs |
| 19:06.36 | adj | i mean. damn. "Just hit enter alot till it exits"? i was hoping for something a little more informative... but thanks anyway |
| 19:06.55 | jetscreamer | stevepastelan: don't google for http://www.google.com/linux?q=+login+ssh+not+appear+in+who+list&restrict=linux |
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| 19:07.03 | cydork | GhostlyDeath: you also need ipw3945d, then check if the module is loaded properly |
| 19:07.10 | k31th | do you guys rate nagios ? |
| 19:07.12 | wad | Is this page for Etch or Sid? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:07.20 | GhostlyDeath | Got that too |
| 19:07.35 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 19:07.40 | cydork | GhostlyDeath: module loaded? |
| 19:07.40 | wad | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 19:07.42 | jetscreamer | you can upgrade to sid |
| 19:07.43 | stevepastelan | jetscreamer err ok |
| 19:07.51 | GhostlyDeath | I run ipw3945d and it can't find my card |
| 19:08.01 | cydork | GhostlyDeath: any error? |
| 19:08.14 | GhostlyDeath | "2007-03-13 15:07:29: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection" |
| 19:08.36 | jetscreamer | there is some buglist thing says you can't install sid with the rc just a nightly i 'think' ... read all about it if needed |
| 19:08.43 | jetscreamer | you can get there fromthat page |
| 19:09.12 | adj | jetscreamer: also. my sources are up to date. thats not the problem. dselect just updates stuff without any warnings, etc (which is what i guess i am supposed to mash ENTER on) |
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| 19:10.10 | jetscreamer | that is the apt cascade effect |
| 19:10.14 | jetscreamer | i believe |
| 19:11.02 | DawnLight | hello. i can use some help with installing the nvidia_legacy driver |
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| 19:11.13 | adj | mmm. this is a fresh install of sarge. i should need to do anything besides apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install libkrb5-dev |
| 19:11.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get does some checking. aptitude does more (btw you should use aptitude it's the new default) dselect can detect dep conflicts a touch better than aptitude though |
| 19:11.24 | adj | *shouldnt |
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| 19:11.57 | jetscreamer | if you did that factoid, and it wanted to update/upgrade stuff, you need it. but, maybe you don't 'want' it. |
| 19:11.57 | adj | and im pretty confident the kerberos packages work on sarge ;) |
| 19:12.31 | jetscreamer | not 'you need it' but it determined that it was required, from the dependency list |
| 19:12.39 | DawnLight | anyone willing to guide me a little with this nvidia |
| 19:12.45 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 19:12.46 | dpkg | nv.run is, like, If you don't want to break your system ask me about <nvidia one-liner>. Break it quick and dirty: get root. kill X. then paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev linux-headers-`uname -r` && md /usr/src/nvda/ && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run -anN |
| 19:12.58 | jetscreamer | there ya go.. change 9746 to the latest, if you want |
| 19:13.11 | adj | what? dont want it? im sorry, you lost me. basically i just need libkrb5-dev to install. im on a fresh sarge install and i get errors about broken packages and dependencies |
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| 19:13.35 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using etch |
| 19:13.37 | jetscreamer | run that factoid and all dependencies get fixed. |
| 19:13.56 | adj | i can fire up another virtual machine and put sarge on it also in ajust a few minutes. the error is consistent... |
| 19:14.02 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 19:14.16 | dondelelcaro | adj: follow the instructions above then. |
| 19:14.16 | DawnLight | how do i kill x? |
| 19:14.27 | GhostlyDeath | Ctrl+Alt+backspace? |
| 19:14.31 | jetscreamer | adj: do whatever dondelelcaro says and ignore me now... :) he knows more |
| 19:14.33 | adj | dondelelcaro: one moment. thanks |
| 19:14.34 | GhostlyDeath | or is it F12? |
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| 19:15.57 | GhostlyDeath | I have ipw3945-firmware, ipw3945d, and the modules... it is not loading.. do I need something else or should I try a restart? |
| 19:16.25 | GhostlyDeath | also, How do I modprobe the daemon? |
| 19:16.34 | row | Anyone heard of Sweex network cards before or to be exact (Sweex LC001 10/100Mbps LAN PCI Card) and know if they work trouble free in nix? I am sur they do these days but just incase? |
| 19:17.39 | dondelelcaro | in any event, good luck. |
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| 19:17.44 | wols | !anyone uses Sweex network cards |
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| 19:17.56 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=Sweex&restrict=linux |
| 19:17.58 | wols | !anyone use Sweex network cards |
| 19:17.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses Sweex network cards, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:18.15 | row | oh nice jetscreamer |
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| 19:18.52 | jetscreamer | and my google-fu sucks |
| 19:19.02 | phreqmod | GhostlyDeath, you don't |
| 19:19.02 | adj | dondelelcaro: ok. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5710 |
| 19:19.38 | phreqmod | GhostlyDeath, the daemon is , as the name indicates, a program that runs in the background /there's an init script for it) |
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| 19:19.59 | phreqmod | you modprobe the ipw3945 module alone |
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| 19:20.20 | GhostlyDeath | There any prebuilt ieee80211 packages? |
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| 19:20.44 | stew | GhostlyDeath: for which version of debian? |
| 19:20.56 | GhostlyDeath | etch |
| 19:21.03 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: it's in the kernel |
| 19:21.12 | GhostlyDeath | 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:21.12 | phreqmod | GhostlyDeath, yes, many, if you have aq stock kernel they're there |
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| 19:21.52 | stew | GhostlyDeath: its already included in that kernel |
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| 19:22.23 | stew | !find ieee80211.ko etch |
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| 19:22.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ieee80211.ko' (3 of 10): (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.18/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. |
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| 19:23.12 | wols | is that the new WLAN kernel stack? |
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| 19:23.42 | stew | its been around at least as long as ipw2100, it was integrated into the main kernel tree as of 2.6.15 |
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| 19:23.56 | adj | any thoughts on this packaging issue with libkrb5-dev? or is it back to building everything from scratch off slackware. i really hoped debian was going to actually simplify my job |
| 19:24.08 | GhostlyDeath | restarting brb |
| 19:24.21 | adj | sorry if that has a nasty tone, im just frusterated |
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| 19:24.45 | stew | adj: what happens if you run "apt-get install comerr-dev b5-kdc krb5-admin-server libkrb5-dev..." ? |
| 19:25.03 | jetscreamer | ah backports |
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| 19:25.31 | adj | comerr breaks also, says its depending on libc-dev or libc6-dev that also won't be installed |
| 19:26.06 | adj | you think its the backports? i could trry and revert to plain old sarge |
| 19:26.55 | stew | adj: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: ? |
| 19:27.28 | adj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.35 | adj | libc6-dev is not installed, however |
| 19:27.49 | stew | where did that version of libc6 come from? |
| 19:27.59 | adj | im guessing its from backports |
| 19:28.07 | adj | from my initial upgrade |
| 19:28.12 | stew | nope, libc6 would never be backported |
| 19:28.31 | stew | adj: what does it say for "Candidate:"? |
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| 19:28.44 | jetscreamer | downgrade isn't an option really |
| 19:28.48 | adj | the same string |
| 19:29.08 | adj | xs is XenSource. those bastards must have modified things in the templated sarge install |
| 19:29.25 | stew | adj: you should add "deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free" to you sources.list and apt-get update and try again |
| 19:29.28 | adj | damn. now im pissed. i totally glossed over that an hour ago |
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| 19:30.40 | terr_ | There are some weird thigns going on here. Can someone have a look at what I post and tell me what they think. 1st issue. /var/log/syslog isn't working as I would expect: |
| 19:30.53 | terr_ | # tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 19:31.28 | terr_ | 2 secs to kill tail and restart. Here is what I get last entry from the old tail: |
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| 19:31.43 | adj | stew: nothing upgraded, and the candidate is the same. i think its not gonna happen without compiling against the xensource libc6 libraries |
| 19:31.43 | terr_ | Mar 13 09:37:31 io lire: Formatting report as txt and emailing it to root... |
| 19:31.51 | terr_ | 1st from the new tail: |
| 19:32.01 | terr_ | Mar 13 13:08:02 io fetchnews[31002]: ERROR: FETCHNEWS MUST REFETCH THE WHOLE ACTIVE FILE NEXT RUN |
| 19:32.06 | adj | thanks for the pointer. i think it would have taken me much longer ;) |
| 19:32.20 | terr_ | Tue Mar 13 13:32:11 MST 2007 |
| 19:32.48 | terr_ | so syslog is 4 hours old! and tail did NOT show what was being logged. Why did logging stop? |
| 19:32.50 | wols | !tell terr_ about paste |
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| 19:32.59 | terr_ | I know about paste. |
| 19:33.14 | wols | fact shows you don't |
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| 19:33.30 | terr_ | I'm just looking at /var/log/syslog and asking why its 4 hours old? does tail prevent syslogger from working? |
| 19:33.30 | stew | terr_: is syslogd running? |
| 19:33.40 | stew | terr_: tail didn't prevent anything |
| 19:34.08 | hunterones | what should i do to free my memory?? there's almost no process runing and its eating 364MB out of 368... |
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| 19:34.20 | stew | hunterones: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 19:34.21 | hunterones | 5 remaining |
| 19:34.21 | asg | hunterones: /msg dpkg free memory |
| 19:34.24 | terr_ | 508 ? Ss 4:57 /sbin/syslogd |
| 19:34.26 | stew | !pubtime |
| 19:34.27 | dpkg | well, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 19:34.29 | terr_ | yup running |
| 19:34.37 | asg | stew: already here :) |
| 19:34.39 | terr_ | stew I wouldn't think so either. |
| 19:34.51 | stew | asg: can i see you on the webcam? |
| 19:34.55 | Spec | how do I cat a file into the beginning(prepend) of another file? |
| 19:34.58 | DawnLight | the ctrl alt backspace worked :) but the x server came right back on! |
| 19:35.01 | wols | !tell hunterones about free memory |
| 19:35.04 | hunterones | sorry... ~# dpkg free memory </n> dpkg: need an action option |
| 19:35.06 | asg | stew: no, that's a different pub that I don't go to as often. |
| 19:35.15 | stew | terr_: try "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" maybe? |
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| 19:35.21 | hunterones | ? |
| 19:35.26 | hunterones | haha |
| 19:35.28 | stew | dpkg: free memory |
| 19:35.28 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
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| 19:35.56 | hunterones | AAAAAAW i got it :x |
| 19:36.05 | terr_ | so why (a) didn't tail show the entries after 9:37... |
| 19:36.19 | stew | hunterones: run "free" and compare the first and second lines of numbers, you have been looking at the first, but the second is the one you should pay attention to, it is the one that ignores the filesystem caches (which can be reclaimed immediately if the memory is needed for other stuff) |
| 19:36.21 | hunterones | i see!! :).. nice! |
| 19:36.39 | hunterones | let me see, stew |
| 19:36.44 | terr_ | stew have a look at this command... did I type it worng? tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 19:36.59 | hunterones | this one, right? -/+ buffers/cache: 39 329 |
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| 19:37.13 | stew | terr_: that is correct. that will show you the last 10 lines, and any new lines that show up |
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| 19:37.33 | stew | hunterones: yes but those are very small numbers |
| 19:37.46 | DawnLight | the x server was closed by ctrl alt backspace but the it came right on again! |
| 19:37.51 | hunterones | stew, im using free -m (in mbytes) |
| 19:37.56 | terr_ | stew thanx. But tail did not show anything after 9:37. Any ideas why? |
| 19:38.15 | DawnLight | how do i keep it off to install the nvidia driver? |
| 19:38.16 | wols | DawnLight: was it your displaymanager that came right back (where you log in?) |
| 19:38.35 | wols | DawnLight: stop your display manager |
| 19:38.49 | stew | hunterones: then that is sayin that you have 39MB used and 329MB free |
| 19:38.59 | DawnLight | yes |
| 19:39.04 | stew | terr_: did you try restarting syslog? |
| 19:39.15 | DawnLight | i don't know how to do that |
| 19:39.20 | hunterones | stew, thanks a lot ;) |
| 19:39.28 | stew | DawnLight: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 19:39.28 | wols | DawnLight: do you use gdm, kdm or xdm? |
| 19:39.35 | terr_ | stew syslog was logging. Tail didn't show it. I have pulled the logs up in less and they are up to date. |
| 19:39.56 | terr_ | stew I have another problem which is why I was using tail. |
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| 19:40.10 | stew | terr_: the talk command you gave above would show you anything new that was being logged to that file |
| 19:40.26 | TSWoodV | Greetings! What's the accepted mechanism for adding a non-default static route? |
| 19:40.32 | DawnLight | gdm if i am not mistaken |
| 19:41.02 | stew | TSWoodV: add it in a "up" line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 19:41.02 | asg | TSWoodV: using route or iproute |
| 19:41.03 | DawnLight | okay i'll do that |
| 19:41.03 | terr_ | stew can you see anything wrong with this... running under /bin/sh... cron: 13 * * * * root /etc/rc5.d/S20privoxy restart |
| 19:41.10 | stew | TSWoodV: or check out /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 19:41.13 | terr_ | Stew anything wrong with that |
| 19:41.26 | stew | terr_: where does that appear? |
| 19:41.27 | TSWoodV | stew: Thank you. The permanency is what I'm confused about. |
| 19:41.33 | terr_ | stew I see this in syslog: Mar 13 13:13:01 io /USR/SBIN/CRON[31025]: (root) CMD (root /etc/rc5.d/S20privoxy restart ) |
| 19:41.34 | DawnLight | brb |
| 19:41.44 | terr_ | stew yet it didn't restart! |
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| 19:41.59 | stew | TSWoodV: if you put it in an up line for an interface, the command will be run anytime the interface is brought up (and automatically removed when the interface goes down) |
| 19:42.17 | dkr | if I am switching to new disk, (right now hda is disk going bad and hdb is new disk), so in grub I do root (hd0,0) and setup (hd1) to write grub to mbr of new disk. now I can stop, remove hda, and make new disk hda and boot, right? |
| 19:42.33 | terr_ | stew - that line is from root> crontab -l |
| 19:42.38 | TSWoodV | stew: Thanks for the "up" pointer. That's not clear in any of the examples or man interfaces. |
| 19:42.48 | wols | dkr: no |
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| 19:42.50 | stew | terr_: it shouldn't have "root" in it then as "root" isn't a valid command |
| 19:43.12 | terr_ | # m h dom mon dow user command |
| 19:43.12 | terr_ | 13 * * * * root /etc/rc5.d/S20privoxy restart |
| 19:43.21 | terr_ | stew root is not in it. |
| 19:43.23 | stew | terr_: and you probably want "/etc/init.d/privoxy restart" not "/etc/rc5.d..." |
| 19:43.32 | stew | terr_: yes it is |
| 19:43.40 | terr_ | stew.. its a symlink. Shouldn't matter |
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| 19:43.49 | stew | terr_: what does "root" symlink to? |
| 19:43.52 | terr_ | yet it is what? |
| 19:43.53 | dkr | wols: do I need to swap the device.map and run setup(hd0) ? |
| 19:43.53 | wols | terr_: it's simply very ugly with the symlink |
| 19:44.18 | terr_ | wols... I don't follow. does a symlink break cron? |
| 19:44.34 | stew | terr_: you are telling it to run this command once an hour: "root /etc/rc5.d/S20privoxy restart" but you probably don't have a command named "root" in your patch |
| 19:44.35 | wols | dkr: depends what the disk will be when current hda is remove |
| 19:44.40 | wols | terr_: it's just damn ugly |
| 19:44.57 | terr_ | stew. root doens't symlink to anything. /etc/rc5.d/S20privoxy symlinks to /etc/init.d/privoxy |
| 19:45.00 | stew | ^patch^path |
| 19:45.15 | wols | terr_: yes but you run "root" as you can see from the syslog entry |
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| 19:45.21 | terr_ | user is root |
| 19:45.23 | stew | terr_: well you should call "/etc/init.d/privoxy restart" then, not "root /etc/rc5.d/S20privoxy restart" |
| 19:45.35 | stew | terr_: you are putting "root" where the command goes |
| 19:45.39 | dkr | wols: well, setup(hd1) did correctly write to mbr of new disk on /dev/hdb, (verified with dd and strings) |
| 19:45.55 | terr_ | stew. that could be it! |
| 19:45.57 | wols | dkr: yes |
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| 19:46.42 | terr_ | stew... what I see in /etc/crontab is what I copied into this file. |
| 19:47.07 | terr_ | stew... root shows up in /etc/crontab but perhaps that is not the correct format! |
| 19:47.10 | dkr | wols: well, i can just plugin old disk again if it doesn't work since it isn't completely dead yet. I'll give it a shot. :) |
| 19:47.13 | terr_ | stew can you confirm? |
| 19:47.16 | stew | terr_: the format of /etc/crontab differs than the crontab of an individual user |
| 19:47.18 | asg | terr_: /etc/crontab has a different syntax than user crontabs |
| 19:47.34 | karsten | terr_: Specifically, you need to specify the userid. |
| 19:47.37 | terr_ | stew... asg yup expalins it all. |
| 19:47.48 | robin_sz | terr_, try to always call the commands from /etc/init.d rather than rc5.d or whereever ... they dont always exist is the rcx.d directories,. so things migh tbreak sometimes |
| 19:47.52 | terr_ | stew. pls help me wiht the exact syntax. |
| 19:47.57 | karsten | terr_: Same goes for /etc/cron.d/, but *not* /etc/cron.{dialy,weekly,monthly} |
| 19:48.00 | robin_sz | man crontab |
| 19:48.10 | stew | terr_: remove the word "root" |
| 19:48.37 | terr_ | stew... that is all? I'll fix the command too so it doesn't use rc5.d |
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| 19:50.13 | terr_ | stew: et al. hey thanx. I never would have thoght to look for that. |
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| 19:51.24 | x_link | hrmm |
| 19:51.38 | Spec | !botsnack |
| 19:51.39 | dpkg | aw, gee, Spec |
| 19:51.40 | x_link | I just re-installed my Debian Etch, I want to import my Bookmarks but it doesn't work. |
| 19:51.49 | karsten | !doesn't work |
| 19:51.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:51.52 | x_link | It tells me that there is no program or such to do that. |
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| 19:52.02 | wols | x_link: what browser? |
| 19:52.06 | karsten | x_link: Import from what/where? |
| 19:52.09 | terr_ | stew.. why wasn't there an error logged in syslog? That would have helped a lot if it said command "root" not found. |
| 19:52.15 | x_link | Iceweasel |
| 19:52.19 | karsten | x_link: Generally that's a browser-specific function. |
| 19:52.24 | x_link | Ok |
| 19:52.25 | stew | terr_: it sent you email about it |
| 19:52.29 | x_link | So I'm in the wrong channel to ask |
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| 19:52.34 | wols | x_link: there is a bookmark*.html |
| 19:52.35 | x_link | Sorry for asking off-topic |
| 19:52.37 | terr_ | stew. Ok. I didn't check the emails. |
| 19:52.45 | karsten | x_link: Not entirely, just be specific WRT what you're doing when you ask. |
| 19:52.57 | terr_ | stew. I'll be back in about 20 mins... it'll probably have worked by then. |
| 19:52.57 | x_link | WRT = ? |
| 19:52.58 | wols | copy the old one into the new profile directory for it and replace the new bookmark*.html |
| 19:53.01 | terr_ | stew. thanx again. |
| 19:53.01 | wols | done |
| 19:53.19 | GhostlyDeath | I added a printer and.. I can't remove it |
| 19:53.25 | Gnea | !wrt |
| 19:53.26 | dpkg | wrt is probably with respect to, or with regards to |
| 19:53.34 | x_link | Ohh sorry guys. I pressed the wrong Import |
| 19:53.35 | wols | x_link: you're not in the wrong channel |
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| 19:53.44 | x_link | wols: ok=) |
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| 19:54.07 | x_link | HA it worked just FINE = ) |
| 19:54.12 | x_link | Great! |
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| 19:54.33 | x_link | Now I need to backup my system as well with Acronis. |
| 19:54.46 | GhostlyDeath | How do I remove a printer!? |
| 19:55.23 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: unplug it |
| 19:55.30 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 19:55.33 | GhostlyDeath | From the Printers thing |
| 19:55.42 | markybob | oh, the thing! |
| 19:55.48 | GhostlyDeath | ... |
| 19:55.56 | GhostlyDeath | In admin > Printers |
| 19:56.08 | Gnea | the 'thing'? |
| 19:56.09 | GhostlyDeath | I added a printer which I decide I don't want, how do I remove it? |
| 19:56.20 | Gnea | i don't know what you added the printer TO |
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| 19:56.28 | Gnea | because you didn't say what it IS |
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| 19:56.34 | GhostlyDeath | it's a printer' |
| 19:56.48 | markybob | sigh. |
| 19:57.02 | GhostlyDeath | Remove is disabled |
| 19:57.12 | Gnea | that's not all that's disabled |
| 19:57.28 | markybob | probably cuz you're not root |
| 19:57.31 | x_link | wols: Where should Ktorrent be? |
| 19:57.45 | wols | x_link: looked in your pants? |
| 19:57.46 | x_link | I mean which path ? |
| 19:57.50 | x_link | wols: hehe |
| 19:57.53 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: look, if you can't tell us what program you're using to add/remove printers from, then we can't help you. |
| 19:57.56 | wols | x_link: is kinda stupid question you posed there don't you think? |
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| 19:58.04 | GhostlyDeath | Gnome |
| 19:58.10 | x_link | wols: Yes, I was thinking of something else. |
| 19:58.11 | wols | !tell x_link about grounding |
| 19:58.15 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 19:58.28 | stew | x_link: dpkg -L packagename |
| 19:58.33 | Gnea | wols: oh, this is gonna prove a HUGE point |
| 19:58.34 | GhostlyDeath | ipjg or someting |
| 19:58.39 | x_link | stew: ok thanks |
| 19:59.12 | markybob | GhostlyDeath, yay, details. run gnome-cups-manager and then go to edit and click on become administrator. then you should be able to right click and remove |
| 19:59.14 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: ok, tell me the exact steps you are taking to attempt to accomplish this... i mean, if you've got a clear desktop, what do you click on and so forth? |
| 19:59.15 | wols | Gnea: just tired of the same people asking the same basic questions time and again |
| 19:59.44 | wols | Gnea: they use us just cause they're lazy or too dumb to hold a thought for 5 minutes |
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| 20:00.11 | x_link | /usr/bin/ktorrent |
| 20:00.12 | GhostlyDeath | thanks markybob |
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| 20:00.30 | dondelelcaro | adj: if you haven't figured it out yet, you need to walk through the dependencies trying to install each one. Because you've got packages from backports.org, it's not a simple case of being able to install the packages. |
| 20:00.40 | GhostlyDeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.43 | Gnea | wols: it wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so dumbed down by gnome politics... this is a prime example of the bullshit that #gnome has produced... in fact, I don't know why we're helping him when he should be asking in #gnome |
| 20:00.44 | dondelelcaro | adj: aptitude will make walking through the dependencies rather trivial. |
| 20:00.46 | GhostlyDeath | I used the root terminal |
| 20:00.56 | GhostlyDeath | which gave the cups manager root privilages |
| 20:00.59 | stew | dondelelcaro: he figured out he had some custom compiled 3rd party xen optimized libc6 |
| 20:01.09 | GhostlyDeath | and whenever I became an admin the window dissappeared |
| 20:01.19 | markybob | i dont know why i bother |
| 20:01.21 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: have you asked about this in #gnome? |
| 20:01.30 | markybob | GhostlyDeath, if you're not gonna do what you're told, how you're told, why do you ask? |
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| 20:03.45 | stew | markybob: it looked to me like he did try what you told him |
| 20:04.28 | markybob | stew, apparently you too have a hard time reading |
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| 20:05.38 | GhostlyDeath | How Do I add more screensavers to Debian? |
| 20:05.50 | GhostlyDeath | like those X something screen savers |
| 20:05.50 | stew | markybob: you told him to run gnome-cups-manager and become admin. he said he tried to become admin and the gnome-cups-amanger window went away |
| 20:06.09 | stew | GhostlyDeath: did i interpret what you wrote correctly there ^^^ ? |
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| 20:06.20 | GhostlyDeath | stew: yes |
| 20:06.33 | markybob | as root! no where did i mention doing it as root when it was obvious that he was a normal user to begin with |
| 20:06.33 | stew | markybob: did i interpret what you instructed him to do correctly? |
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| 20:06.55 | stew | GhostlyDeath: can you try the same as a user instead of root? |
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| 20:07.26 | GhostlyDeath | using the root terminal worked |
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| 20:10.55 | kupesoft | Is there a fglrx-kernel package precompiled? |
| 20:10.58 | kupesoft | I dread compiling it myself, |
| 20:11.23 | kupesoft | The one at http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html is out of date or something, |
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| 20:12.11 | cusco | kupesoft: yes |
| 20:12.24 | kupesoft | cusco: Where at? |
| 20:12.30 | debq | i used module-assistant to install fglrx |
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| 20:12.49 | cusco | kupesoft: apt-cache search fglrx-kernel-src |
| 20:12.51 | cusco | oops |
| 20:12.59 | cusco | kupesoft: apt-cache search fglrx |
| 20:13.07 | cusco | or the package name is fglrx-kernel-src |
| 20:13.14 | kupesoft | That's a source pacakge, |
| 20:13.15 | adj | for those who heard my issues installing krb5-dev on a XenSource templated sarge box earlier. the solution is to install the libc6-dev package provided by XenSource on the host machine. from there things will go smooth. my hats off to stew, jetscreamer, and dondelelcaro for the assistance. |
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| 20:13.53 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get SecureDigital cards working under Linux? |
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| 20:13.59 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 20:14.04 | kupesoft | cusco: That package somehow lets your create fglrx-kernel, the process of which I'm rather uncomfortable doing, |
| 20:14.12 | DawnLight | i've gotten somewhere thanks to you guys but i'm stuck with some issue now: the nvidia driver installation wants to compile something using my kernel source and it says that it can't find it. now, i think i've downloaded it with the package manager and i even specified for the installation that it's in /usr/src. suggestions? |
| 20:14.24 | mfrisch | Is there a compiling kernels for idiots channel??? |
| 20:14.35 | fas3r | nobody have a Compaq WL100 |
| 20:14.45 | fas3r | i need to change the firmware ... |
| 20:15.08 | cusco | kupesoft: you use xorg right? |
| 20:15.19 | kupesoft | cusco: Yes, |
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| 20:15.33 | kupesoft | cusco: I did an etch desktop/laptop/base system install today |
| 20:15.52 | cusco | kupesoft: apt-get install fglrx-control |
| 20:15.59 | cusco | !fglrx |
| 20:16.00 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 20:16.16 | cusco | !fglrx one-liner |
| 20:16.17 | dpkg | methinks fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 20:16.34 | cusco | ok.. that looks good |
| 20:16.39 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get my "Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)" working under linux? |
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| 20:17.03 | TbbW | anyone know if the ntfs reading of 2.6.* is still experimental or stable ? |
| 20:17.05 | mfrisch | I need to make a kernel + xen+ evms + nvidia I need help |
| 20:17.44 | DawnLight | how do i check my kernel version |
| 20:17.53 | TbbW | DawnLight: uname -a |
| 20:17.54 | kupesoft | cusco, trying |
| 20:18.13 | kupesoft | cusco, thanks |
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| 20:19.08 | DawnLight | then i do have the correct kernel source |
| 20:19.18 | DawnLight | i don't understand whats wrong |
| 20:19.29 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: check nvnews.org they often have patches for nvidia + xen (maybe you would have to use a certain version) but snapshot.debian.net has had most of the versions (at least in the experimental distribution) |
| 20:19.48 | markybob | DawnLight, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 20:19.51 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: its nvnews.net (sorry) |
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| 20:19.57 | GhostlyDeath | this faint buzz is pissing me off! |
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| 20:20.16 | GhostlyDeath | Under Windows you can mute it (it calls it the "Input Monitor") but how would I mute it under Linux? |
| 20:20.41 | DawnLight | oh i need that too? nice! |
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| 20:21.11 | TSWoodV | GhostInTheShell: The specification for SD cards is not open to the public. There's no SD support under Linux AFAIK. |
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| 20:21.33 | GhostlyDeath | wrong nick |
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| 20:21.48 | TSWoodV | GhostlyDeath: Sorry. Autocomplete let me down again... |
| 20:22.07 | GhostlyDeath | Not even for the other cards it supports? |
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| 20:23.08 | DawnLight | thanks alot |
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| 20:23.19 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn I have the patch...its getting to use it thats the problem...I don't know which source to use for the kernel. I have the stripped down 2.6.16 from xen, debian's source 2.6.18 I have patches too but some work for some sources and not others. I would be happy with xen+evms. Is there a source package for the debian xen kernel?? |
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| 20:24.30 | GhostlyDeath | Who here has an AMD64 arch + prboom + musserv + timidity + freepats installed? |
| 20:24.34 | ion_bidon | hello; do I have to restart user session if I have added it in a group, in order to have the changes available ? |
| 20:24.40 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: part of linux-2.6 |
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| 20:25.27 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn what the xen patches are part of the kernel package? |
| 20:26.34 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: apt-cache madison says so |
| 20:27.00 | wols | !anoyne use AMD64 arch + prboom + musserv + timidity + freepats |
| 20:27.06 | wols | !anyone use AMD64 arch + prboom + musserv + timidity + freepats |
| 20:27.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses AMD64 arch + prboom + musserv + timidity + freepats, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:27.23 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 20:27.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:27.39 | GhostlyDeath | wtf? |
| 20:27.46 | Eclipser_ | !sicco |
| 20:27.47 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 20:27.57 | Eclipser_ | heh |
| 20:28.02 | wols | GhostlyDeath: you're approach to problem solving simply sucks |
| 20:28.07 | wols | *your |
| 20:28.13 | GhostlyDeath | Eitherway........ Does anyone get a buzzing sound when using prboom with timidity/musserv when music is on? |
| 20:28.15 | wols | just like my grammar apparently |
| 20:28.28 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn so I just need to add the other patches and select xen options and I am good to go? |
| 20:28.48 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/dsp is busy, How do I make it unbusy? |
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| 20:29.36 | stew | GhostlyDeath: kill whatever process is using it. "fuser /dev/dsp" should give you the pid |
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| 20:29.52 | GhostlyDeath | 9479.... |
| 20:30.41 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: Theoretically - I doubt it will be that simple |
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| 20:31.02 | GhostlyDeath | timidity was murdered |
| 20:31.19 | GhostlyDeath | my fault for using Ctrl+C instead of Ctrl+Z... |
| 20:31.29 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: you cant have timidity + anything use /dev/dsp at the same time |
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| 20:33.27 | peasset | Hi! how can i play this stream (windows media video 9) with vlc? i just can't have the image, just the sound... mms://vipmms.canalplus.fr/canalplus/guignols_070307_a.wmv |
| 20:33.28 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn nothing has been simple with this...I don't understand how you are supposed to be able to customize the stock xen kernel. You are forced to do everything from scratch. |
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| 20:33.45 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 20:33.46 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. Marillat's old place (ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat) is no more - he moved to http://debian-multimedia.org - update your sources.list! |
| 20:33.46 | Guerin | peasset: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 20:34.01 | wols | peasset: get w32codecs perhaps |
| 20:34.05 | peasset | Guerin : i have w32codecs installed |
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| 20:34.16 | mfrisch | peasset I think you can make vlc just play the audio stream |
| 20:34.23 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: You are not supposed to customise it really - (fedora forward ports the patches to newer kernels) occasionally xen switches to a newer one but its not kept in sync |
| 20:34.34 | valdyn | peasset: try mplayer for playback |
| 20:34.35 | Guerin | peasset: then there's no reason it shouldn't work, as long as you're using the debian packages |
| 20:35.38 | Guerin | peasset: hm, vlc won't play it for me, but mplayer will |
| 20:35.39 | peasset | i have debian etch, and have installed vlc with official sources list ('apt-get install vlc), and 'apt-get install w32codecs' |
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| 20:35.44 | Guerin | peasset: so i recommend you use that |
| 20:36.11 | S2AnGeL | e /j freepbx |
| 20:36.18 | S2AnGeL | oops |
| 20:36.28 | peasset | i can play this stream with totem for example, but i can't move the progress bar in totem |
| 20:36.43 | peasset | Guerin : i try mplayer |
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| 20:37.36 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn so to get the full functionallity of a kernel I would have to add stuff to the stripped xen 2.6.16? |
| 20:39.24 | peasset | Guerin : can you help me? i have an error in mplayer : error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device |
| 20:39.31 | peasset | what does this mean |
| 20:39.46 | Guerin | peasset: it means what it says |
| 20:39.55 | Guerin | peasset: try mplayer -vo xv |
| 20:40.07 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok i came in here a while ago and there was a problem with my browser not outputing audio. someone here recomended modprobe *something* and it worked...thing is i dont remember what it was and its not in my history for my browser....any ideas? |
| 20:40.08 | peasset | ok |
| 20:40.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | *plans to write it down this time |
| 20:40.25 | mfrisch | peasset you need to choose one based on your video card's |
| 20:40.34 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: You could look in fedora rawhide to see if they have updated xen patches |
| 20:41.36 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn I don't think there is a + for a newer kernel. Thanks you have been great help |
| 20:41.41 | peasset | Guerin : mplayer -vo xv does not launch the prog. |
| 20:41.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | does anyone here know how to fix this? |
| 20:41.44 | wols | The_Ultimate_Sam: snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 20:42.12 | mfrisch | peasset pick one your video card can handle |
| 20:42.16 | Guerin | peasset: try mplayer -vo xv url |
| 20:42.37 | Guerin | if his video card can't do xv he needs to hit it with a sledge hammer and get a real one |
| 20:42.41 | The_Ultimate_Sam | yes that was it. thank you *write it down* |
| 20:42.43 | mimique | http://tomfmason.com/images/wtf3.jpg |
| 20:42.56 | peasset | lol Guerin, but i'll keep it for the mรนoment ;) |
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| 20:46.27 | kromagg | my box has a route for ::/0 (inet6 def) anyone know why and where that is added? |
| 20:46.35 | justin | ipv6 |
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| 20:47.01 | peasset | Guerin : it just works with the Opengl driver, and i can't move the progress bar, like in totem |
| 20:47.01 | kromagg | yes but on another one with the module loaded and about the same version of everything, I don't get that route |
| 20:47.11 | kromagg | so how does the default route get added? |
| 20:47.21 | kromagg | something in a particular version of ifupdown maybe? |
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| 20:47.24 | Guerin | peasset: try mplayer vo -x11 |
| 20:47.37 | misson | I need to replace a module in a static library after ranlib has been used, is there a way to do it ? ar rc module.o |
| 20:48.06 | Guerin | peasset: you can't rnormally seek in a mms stream - if you want to seek, download it to disk using mimms or mmsrip or something |
| 20:48.10 | peasset | Guerin : mplayer vo -x11 -> no launching |
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| 20:48.22 | Guerin | oh |
| 20:48.24 | Guerin | -vo x11 |
| 20:48.29 | Guerin | sorry |
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| 20:48.34 | peasset | ok |
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| 20:50.44 | peasset | Guerin : mplayer - vo X11 -> no launching either... i think i'll just watch my video without skip ;) i can do that in winamp; does winamp run with wine? |
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| 20:51.11 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 20:51.29 | mfrisch | peasset some -vo has to work |
| 20:51.35 | peasset | i can choose the output in mplayer, and opengl is the only one supported |
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| 20:51.51 | Guerin | exactly as I type it: mplayer -vo x11 mms://vipmms.canalplus.fr/canalplus/guignols_070307_a.wmv |
| 20:51.56 | Guerin | that's fucked |
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| 20:52.08 | Guerin | opengl is a retarded output, and your speed will suffer |
| 20:52.09 | mfrisch | Guerin whats he running |
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| 20:52.18 | Guerin | mfrisch: something stupid |
| 20:52.22 | wols | Guerin: xv needs some xview extension I think |
| 20:52.27 | wols | and/or possibly overlays |
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| 20:52.42 | Guerin | wols: xv is supported by practically every video card made since y2k |
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| 20:52.47 | Guerin | and some from before |
| 20:53.06 | Guerin | and it the only real option for decent video quality |
| 20:53.06 | wols | Guerin: but maybe not with all drivers? |
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| 20:53.30 | wols | speaking of outputs: what is the one which outputs fastest? |
| 20:53.41 | amphi | xv is the best IME |
| 20:53.45 | Guerin | well, hence why my initial (unanswered) question: what video card |
| 20:53.47 | wols | I have this Neomagic 256AV (NM2200) |
| 20:53.52 | Guerin | xv is far and away the fastest |
| 20:53.57 | wols | and I really wanna view viode on it :) |
| 20:53.58 | peasset | mplayer -vo x11 mms://vipmms.canalplus.fr/canalplus/guignols_070307_a.wmv -> it works! but the video is stamp like :p |
| 20:54.13 | rahul | peasset: -fs |
| 20:54.17 | DawnLight | this is so funny, one challenge after the other! now that i've got the nvidia driver installation to compile using the kernel source, after it finished it tells me something about the kernel not being compatible or something. suggestions? |
| 20:54.17 | Guerin | it writes decoded data direct to the GPU, rather than rendering it at cpu level |
| 20:54.18 | peasset | ah thanks |
| 20:54.27 | amphi | peasset: that's it's resolution - hit f for fullscreen |
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| 20:54.49 | mfrisch | peasset just hit f in the video's window |
| 20:54.53 | amphi | peasset: or use -xy $MULTITPLIER |
| 20:54.59 | Guerin | DawnLight: my suggestion is to not use nvidia |
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| 20:55.26 | DawnLight | perhaps get an older kernel? |
| 20:55.27 | Guerin | peasset: but -vo x11 will cause MAJOR performance problems if you try to scale it |
| 20:55.47 | wols | DawnLight: my suggestion is to learn to read, and tell the exact error messages when seeking help |
| 20:56.03 | DawnLight | i have the log |
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| 20:56.27 | wols | "tells me something about the kernel not being compatible or something." do you think this is the exact error message? |
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| 20:58.28 | maman | elo i have a little problem and don't know how to resolve it , when i connect myw ebcam (usb) at boot, the sound card doesn't work anymore i have to load alsaconf again to make it works normally, i think this is because irq etc... are not defined in the module file is it possible ? |
| 20:58.50 | Guerin | mfrisch: what sound card? |
| 20:58.57 | Guerin | maman: what sound card? |
| 20:59.06 | misreckoning | how is etch doing? "comin'" soon? |
| 20:59.09 | Mark17 | how is it possible that i can access a server from the same subnet, but not from another subnet? (some information: www.streamservice.nl/result.jpg ) |
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| 20:59.31 | Guerin | maman: that would be a routing problem. |
| 20:59.35 | maman | Guerin: ENsoniq blabla |
| 20:59.35 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 20:59.44 | Guerin | maman: you have my condolences. |
| 20:59.48 | maman | Guerin: but the card works well i just have to load alsaconf again |
| 20:59.56 | Guerin | Mark17: that would be a routing problem. |
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| 21:00.16 | maman | Guerin: do i need to specify physical adress to make it work all the time ? |
| 21:00.27 | Guerin | maman: delay the sound initialisation until after the webcam comes online |
| 21:00.28 | maman | Guerin: how ? |
| 21:00.33 | Mark17 | Guerin: how could i solve this problem? |
| 21:00.50 | wols | Mark17: set a default gateway |
| 21:01.08 | wols | Mark17: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:01.15 | wols | !tell misreckoning about WIR |
| 21:01.35 | misreckoning | wols: I know about wir ... |
| 21:01.52 | misreckoning | wols: I'm interested in your progress / how many bugs left? |
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| 21:01.57 | wols | misreckoning: then why did you ask in the first place? |
| 21:02.00 | Guerin | maman: I'm not sure. Have a look through dmesg, see when the alsa is initialised, and when the webcam is initialised (probably udev/hal) - then change the init link in /etc/rc2.d/to a higher number |
| 21:02.09 | wols | misreckoning: approx 60 yesterday |
| 21:02.26 | sepski | !today |
| 21:02.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, today is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 21:02.37 | misreckoning | wols: uhm, can't believe that :P |
| 21:03.13 | wols | misreckoning: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 21:03.33 | wols | so I lied. it's 66 |
| 21:03.57 | maman | Guerin: and simply it s not possible to force special irq adress in modules file config ? |
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| 21:04.49 | misreckoning | wols: ah good I will bookmark that link |
| 21:05.16 | dondelelcaro | wols: it's actually closer to 40, but yeah. |
| 21:05.18 | dondelelcaro | wols: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html |
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| 21:05.52 | wols | dondelelcaro: bugs.debian.org lies???? unpossible! |
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| 21:06.20 | wols | maman: it is possible |
| 21:06.27 | wols | maman: e.g. in /etc/modules |
| 21:06.34 | lynucs | hi all |
| 21:06.37 | lynucs | guys, i'm configuring my new kernel right now.. i have athlon-xp-m processor and would like to set my own voltages (i already know the secure voltages for my cpu).. the question: how is that possible? |
| 21:06.49 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
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| 21:07.00 | abrotman | or you mean with cpufreq or such ? |
| 21:07.08 | wols | lynucs: nothing to do with kernel. depending on chipset it can be possible, but afaik rarely if ever |
| 21:07.18 | DawnLight | http://pastebin.ca/393778 |
| 21:07.57 | lynucs | wols, but there are some patches for centrino and pentium-m cpu to do that even on the fly (afer patching) |
| 21:08.12 | lynucs | and i just wanted to set them one time |
| 21:08.13 | lynucs | :) |
| 21:08.32 | wols | DawnLight: use a different compiler. the same your kernel was actually compiled with |
| 21:08.35 | lynucs | have an athlon though :( |
| 21:08.46 | dondelelcaro | wols: b.d.o should be correct once sesse has a chance to update it |
| 21:09.06 | wols | lynucs: no ther are not. you can change frequencies, not voltage |
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| 21:09.25 | lynucs | wols, you didnt hear about PHC? |
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| 21:10.06 | DawnLight | wols i'll see about that in the installation readme |
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| 21:10.13 | wols | lynucs: I stand corrected |
| 21:10.21 | lynucs | https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/ |
| 21:10.31 | wols | but I never heard of anything like that for athlons (and I own a mobile b arton) |
| 21:10.46 | lynucs | sure.. me neither :D |
| 21:11.09 | lynucs | but i know that powernow-k8 module sets my voltages |
| 21:11.20 | lynucs | so i htought before compiling somehow editing it |
| 21:11.23 | lynucs | would do it :) |
| 21:11.30 | streuner | dondelelcaro: say better Halleluja to one of your best supporter ;-) |
| 21:11.32 | Guerin | maman: yeah, sure it is |
| 21:11.36 | wols | buy a k8 then |
| 21:11.38 | Guerin | maman: use modconf |
| 21:11.45 | lynucs | wols i have a k7 |
| 21:11.51 | wols | I know |
| 21:11.52 | lynucs | but k8 sets the voltages |
| 21:12.02 | lynucs | powernow-k8 |
| 21:12.27 | lynucs | in fact PHC just edit somehow the centrino.ko |
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| 21:12.28 | Mark17 | wols: is there an other option than /etc/network/interfaces to find the needed information for my problem? |
| 21:12.33 | Mark17 | how is it possible that i can access a server from the same subnet, but not from another subnet? (some information: www.streamservice.nl/result.jpg ) |
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| 21:12.42 | streuner | Guerin: what's up with your fish, aren't you have a bad feeling about one of those eels who could be 106 year old? ;-) |
| 21:12.57 | lynucs | so maybe editign powernow-k8.co (or how it called) would be possible too? |
| 21:12.58 | wols | Mark17: cause your default route is not set. and it is set via /etc/network/interfaces, period |
| 21:13.13 | wols | lynucs: you can't edit somethi9ng into software that the hardware doesn't support |
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| 21:13.42 | wols | Mark17: either set directly or by a script which is run when the interface goes up |
| 21:13.43 | streuner | dondelelcaro: your friends are somewhere else, eh? ;-) |
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| 21:14.28 | smimp | i'm using iceweasel and running into issues with a website trying to identify browsers... i need firefox 1.5+ ... so i'm guessing iceweasel submits a different user agent string... user agent switcher only gives me the option of ie, but apparently if it sees it as an ie page, it wont actually work.. |
| 21:14.30 | wols | Mark17: why do you run yast2? |
| 21:14.38 | lynucs | wols, on windows i could change the voltage on the fly.. so the hardware supports it? |
| 21:14.51 | wols | smimp: UAgent switcher. ffox extension |
| 21:15.09 | wols | lynucs: what program? |
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| 21:15.36 | lynucs | RMClock |
| 21:15.43 | lynucs | there are a lot of them |
| 21:15.50 | wols | lynucs: if it was the nforce2 utils, it was the chipset afaik, not your CPU |
| 21:15.52 | lynucs | i tested about 4 |
| 21:16.00 | lynucs | no |
| 21:16.11 | lynucs | it was the cpu voltage :) |
| 21:16.19 | lynucs | for sure |
| 21:16.50 | Guerin | streuner: not really. The ecosystem from which I took that eel is very limited, which means it was probably limiting biodiversity by needing to eat all the other eels in that stretch of river. In general terms it's best not to kill the big ones, but only if they come from a diverse ecosystem. In a limited system you remove them, and they gets replaced by a bunch of others, so you get several, rather than one. |
| 21:16.50 | lynucs | core voltage is it called exactly |
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| 21:17.25 | sambiase | hi, does anyone here has a DVB device called Mega Sky 580 ? |
| 21:17.25 | Guerin | streuner: anyway, that one's not that big - I've caught them about twice that size, and seen them as much as ten times bigger. |
| 21:17.44 | Guerin | !anyone use a DVB device called Mega Sky 580 ? |
| 21:17.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses a DVB device called Mega Sky 580, not even the people who use it. |
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| 21:18.46 | streuner | Guerin: anyway, i've a bad feeling about some 'fish' who could be about 100 years old... |
| 21:19.04 | Guerin | streuner: why? |
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| 21:19.21 | krazykit | sed question: i have a string "9 [29%] [-33.00dB] [on]". all the numbers can and do change. how can i use sed to get just the second number: ie "29%" |
| 21:19.32 | streuner | Guerin: hm, i don't know, but it makes me sad |
| 21:20.29 | Guerin | krazykit: use awk: awk '{print $2}' | tr '[]' '' # untested |
| 21:20.42 | Guerin | krazykit: the tr bit is to get rid of the [] , if you need it |
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| 21:21.07 | krazykit | i really need to learn awk and sed better :-/ |
| 21:21.35 | krazykit | right now this little volume script is really ugly. |
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| 21:21.49 | Guerin | streuner: yep, I understand that. Just bear in mind that this one wasn't even nearly that old. |
| 21:21.52 | LightKnight | Ciao :) |
| 21:22.35 | jaalto | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.45 | jaalto | I'm calling for testers for project http://debian.cante.net/truecrypt-installer |
| 21:22.59 | jaalto | which provides transparent Truecrypt *.deb building framework |
| 21:23.21 | jaalto | Please feel free to try and report any problems you might encounter |
| 21:23.37 | krazykit | Guerin: the tr bit isn't truncating properly :-/ |
| 21:25.20 | krazykit | Guerin: nm, got it |
| 21:25.48 | mfrisch | should I apply debian's kernel patches to source if so how would I get 2.6.16? |
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| 21:26.21 | beoba | 2.6.16 itself could be obtained from kernel.org directly, though there's probably also a package for it |
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| 21:26.52 | Guerin | mfrisch: just use the debian 2.6.16 kernel |
| 21:26.53 | mfrisch | beoba but I don't have to worry about debians patches |
| 21:27.01 | Guerin | it's on snapshot.debian.net |
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| 21:27.34 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: problem with debians 2.6.16 kernel is it probably uses xen 3.0.2 |
| 21:27.39 | Doddman | can someone help me configuring alsa? |
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| 21:28.19 | Doddman | how do I reconfigure the device alsamixer uses? |
| 21:28.45 | Doddman | *alsa |
| 21:28.48 | Doddman | not alsamixer |
| 21:29.25 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn ok I got a source directory of 2.6.16 and converted it with xens mkbuildtree it added xen to it. I patched for evms, and I was wondering if I needed debian's patches or to just forget about them? |
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| 21:31.15 | stew | Doddman: google for .asoundrc and grab a strong cup |
| 21:31.15 | stew | of coffee |
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| 21:31.15 | Doddman | yeah? |
| 21:31.15 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: I would go for the latest version of 2.6.16 (its still supported by kernel.org) |
| 21:31.16 | Doddman | k thanks |
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| 21:31.16 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: debian patches shouldn't be important in this case |
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| 21:31.34 | beoba | im about to download an etch netinst daily, should i wait until RC2 instead? |
| 21:31.35 | beoba | (or will changes between now and then be minimal) |
| 21:31.35 | mfrisch | h3sp4wn I am like patch level 43 ok off I go THANKS |
| 21:31.49 | peasset | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.29 | wols | phreqmod: xarchiver worked fine for me |
| 21:32.58 | peasset | wols : hiver a dual panel explorer? |
| 21:32.59 | phreqmod | wols, glad to hear that, although I think I'm not the right recipient for that message :) |
| 21:33.12 | peasset | wols : is xarchiver a dual panel explorer? |
| 21:33.36 | wols | peasset: you're in the wrong channel. we don't have "explorers" here |
| 21:33.48 | phreqmod | No, it's a gtk - not GNOME - uncompressor |
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| 21:33.53 | peasset | ok |
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| 21:36.22 | Doddman | :-( |
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| 21:36.36 | abrotman | xfe |
| 21:37.14 | streuner | Guerin: well, that fish *taste* then better ;-) |
| 21:37.16 | thermolester | buahahaha |
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| 21:37.35 | mfrisch | peasset there are gui front-ends for most desktops in unix these days, try them all and use the one that suites your needs mc can create a vfs from the rar for access |
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| 21:38.07 | streuner | Guerin: i hope we see us one day |
| 21:38.07 | psusi | who is it that decides the mime types for files? is it just the maintainer of the mime-support package, or does the list come from a standards body or something? |
| 21:38.15 | s0cke | hi! how can i kill/logout someone else? |
| 21:38.22 | streuner | heh |
| 21:38.26 | mimique | kill <pid> |
| 21:38.30 | mimique | from the pts |
| 21:38.32 | mimique | :P |
| 21:38.33 | mimique | tty |
| 21:38.42 | mimique | or |
| 21:38.46 | mimique | apt-get install slay |
| 21:38.46 | mimique | and |
| 21:38.50 | streuner | s0cke: slay? |
| 21:38.50 | mimique | slay <username> |
| 21:39.05 | s0cke | thanks I'll try slay |
| 21:39.08 | mimique | it will kill all apps running from that user |
| 21:39.10 | peasset | mfrisch : i use xfce4, and krusader is theoricaly able to open rar files |
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| 21:39.20 | mimique | and logs em out |
| 21:39.21 | mimique | :P |
| 21:39.45 | peasset | mfrisch : mc is excellent, but i like better gui ;p |
| 21:39.45 | s0cke | hm.. who still shows the user |
| 21:40.13 | mimique | then use kill |
| 21:40.14 | mimique | :+ |
| 21:40.24 | s0cke | there are no processes running?! |
| 21:40.26 | s0cke | strange |
| 21:40.32 | mimique | lol |
| 21:40.34 | phreqmod | "worker" is not bad for a dual pane fm... then again, it is probably appreciated more by those used to Opus in the Amiga |
| 21:40.37 | mimique | ur box is fucked up |
| 21:41.23 | s0cke | nice :o |
| 21:41.36 | amphi | !ur |
| 21:41.37 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 21:47.29 | Ryan-VPRE | Is there a way to force dpkg to forcefully wipe out an entire package completly? |
| 21:47.56 | abrotman | man dpkg .. look for purge |
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| 21:48.12 | Ryan-VPRE | Trying to upgrade MySQl from 4 to 5 and dpkg botched the 4 uninstall and gives nothing but erors when I try to do anything with mysql at all now |
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| 21:48.26 | peppe | Ryan-VPRE: dpkg -P --force-all package |
| 21:48.33 | Ryan-VPRE | Tried purging it.....it just give errors about missing files |
| 21:48.38 | Ryan-VPRE | cool...thx |
| 21:48.45 | stew | Ryan-VPRE: put the errors into a pastebin |
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| 21:49.11 | peppe | Ryan-VPRE: a.k.a. "how to destroy your debian installation" |
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| 21:50.12 | abrotman | peppe: don't do taht |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | that's just wrong |
| 21:50.17 | Ryan-VPRE | k....gimme a sec and I will toss all this stuff up on pastebin |
| 21:50.45 | Ryan-VPRE | I am a gentoo user.....just setting up an aditional server for our network on a host which dosen't offer gentoo |
| 21:51.16 | streuner | !gentoosmite Ryan-VPRE |
| 21:51.52 | DawnLight | i can't seem to solve my nvidia problem |
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| 21:52.30 | DawnLight | http://pastebin.ca/393778 |
| 21:52.53 | DawnLight | frustrating |
| 21:52.54 | wols | DawnLight: have you used a different compiler? |
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| 21:53.16 | DawnLight | no because i've checked the versions and they are the same |
| 21:53.31 | Ryan-VPRE | http://pastebin.ca/393857 |
| 21:53.47 | DawnLight | the compiler i have is the same vesion used to compile my kernel |
| 21:53.50 | Ryan-VPRE | that's what I get when trying to install the newer package |
| 21:53.54 | uptownben | Hey anyone know where I can go to ask a few .htaccess questions? or a good site for .htaccess info? |
| 21:54.08 | wols | uptownben: apache.org |
| 21:54.08 | Ryan-VPRE | when trying to uninstall I get error package is not installed for v4 |
| 21:54.09 | jimpop | uptownben: what's your question? |
| 21:54.24 | DawnLight | then perhaps i will use the older diver? |
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| 21:54.49 | uptownben | I need to do some simple "masquerading".. I have a file in a sub directory but I dont want user to know what that subdirectory is.. |
| 21:54.51 | torrr | anyone knows the -V option on pureftpd? |
| 21:55.16 | torrr | (I need an explanation) |
| 21:55.28 | jimpop | uptownben: so you want to "hide" the directory, or the directories contents? |
| 21:55.57 | uptownben | so instead of www.mysite.com/files/private/css.css I want to use www.mysite.com/css.css |
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| 21:56.30 | uptownben | just hide the structure from the user |
| 21:56.35 | jimpop | uptownben: chmod the directory to x only bits, then no one can see the directory contents, only access files that they know by name |
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| 21:57.02 | jimpop | uptownben: or use the Alias statement (but I don't think you can do that in .htaccess) |
| 21:59.17 | uptownben | jimpop: I'm doing this for a web site.. I dont want to include the entire dir structure when I link files (specifically the CSS file) into the sites index.html file |
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| 22:00.14 | uptownben | so I want to be able to access /files/private/css.css with the following url: www.mysite.com/css.css |
| 22:00.40 | uptownben | isnt that what mod_rewrite is for? |
| 22:00.45 | jimpop | uptownben: you can use soft-links (assuming you have console access to create them) then nobody will see the real files they point to |
| 22:00.48 | phreqmod | Sorry for the reconnects, next time I think "Wireless routers are all the same, I'll just buy the cheapest!" I hope some penis shaped soundwave strikes me in the skull |
| 22:01.45 | zinx | got a vxworks-based router, eh? |
| 22:01.49 | jimpop | uptownben: on the server you would cd into /var/www/blah and run "ln -s my.css /var/www/private/my.css" |
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| 22:02.28 | phreqmod | zinx, no, a belkin |
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| 22:02.39 | rcbarnes | How do I have an arbitrary program start (specifically, apcupsd as root) at system boot? |
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| 22:02.53 | Ryan-VPRE | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:02.56 | beoba | dpkg (the bot) appears to be unresponsive |
| 22:03.02 | uptownben | jimpop: I dont have console access. This is for aweb site on a remote web server (hosted) |
| 22:03.09 | phreqmod | Myabe it was just bad luck, but it loses the connection to the internet every 3 minutes |
| 22:03.19 | beoba | "2007 debate" -> no response |
| 22:03.35 | jimpop | uptownben: probably isn't possible w/o console access. You can try asking the site administrator to do it for you |
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| 22:04.48 | hesco_ | I just bumped a machine from 2.4 to 2.6 and suddenly the mouse no longer works. the xorg.conf file looks fine, what else might be the problem here? |
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| 22:05.52 | zinx | phreqmod: i am pretty sure belkin makes some vxworks-based routers :/ |
| 22:05.52 | jimpop | uptownben: in your website control panel (on the hosted site server) is there a way to add "Aliases"? |
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| 22:05.53 | stew | hesco_: how is your mouse connected? usb? ps2? |
| 22:05.55 | uptownben | jimpop: it's done all the time via .htaccess I just need some docs to figure it out. This is why I asked. |
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| 22:07.05 | jimpop | uptownben: Ahhh you are correct. I see that it can be done via Apache's mod_alias module. See this URL: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_alias.html |
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| 22:08.29 | Ryan-VPRE | yea.....figured.....so i guess IRC continues to prove to be a fairly useless medium for support |
| 22:09.12 | jimpop | uptownben: I believe you want the "Alias" statement in your .htaccess file |
| 22:09.44 | Ryan-VPRE | thought so....oh well...laterz |
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| 22:11.18 | ioerror | How can I preseed a value into /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 22:11.54 | uptownben | jimpop: I'm gonna check it out.. I was thinking Redirect |
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| 22:12.30 | ioerror | Specifically, I want to preseed Acquire::Proxy "false"; |
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| 22:13.07 | hesco_ | stew: its ps2. |
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| 22:13.30 | rcbarnes | I want to automatically start (as root) apcupsd at system boot. How do I accomplish that? |
| 22:13.39 | stew | hesco_: modprobe psmouse ; modprobe mousedev ; make sure both those modules are listed in /etc/modules |
| 22:13.45 | phreqmod | zinx, not sure about that, the one I've got looks vxTurd buased :P |
| 22:14.05 | liable | rcbarnes: it doesnt have an init script?? |
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| 22:14.19 | zinx | phreqmod: i think the "vx" stands for "very lucky if it" |
| 22:14.32 | phreqmod | ehe |
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| 22:15.04 | hesco_ | rcbarnes add scripts to /etc/init.d with symlinks from the appropriate run-levels. There is a debian utility for writing all the symlinks, grep for update on an ls of /sbin, or /usr/sbin, I think. |
| 22:16.09 | hesco_ | stew: thanks, I'm logging back in to that machine now to try that. |
| 22:16.11 | phreqmod | update-rc.d |
| 22:16.19 | hesco_ | yeah, thats it |
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| 22:17.38 | brotherJohn1234 | is "error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }" for all IDE-Drives every 5 minutes ignorable ? ( http://www.captain.at/howto-linux-driveready-seekcomplete-error-drivestatuserror.php ) ? |
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| 22:20.07 | rcbarnes | hesco_, liable: thanks |
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| 22:24.28 | drummer_wilson | whats the difference running debian from a 4 gig usb stick rather than using hdd? |
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| 22:25.24 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: in what sense? |
| 22:25.39 | drummer_wilson | speed |
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| 22:25.44 | rcbarnes | do you mean in terms of performance, functionality, etc.? |
| 22:25.48 | drummer_wilson | yea |
| 22:26.01 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: depends entirely on the stick for speed |
| 22:26.18 | drummer_wilson | what do you mean? |
| 22:26.39 | pickcoder | drummer_wilson: the stick won't last as long under heavy I/O conditions |
| 22:26.41 | drummer_wilson | can i find a stick that is bout the same as a hard drive? |
| 22:26.51 | rcbarnes | I mean the speed depends entirely on the sitck. I've got one that's a little slower than a good HDD, but most sticks I see are vastly slower. |
| 22:27.04 | pickcoder | eeprom has a lifespan much shorter than the magetic platters in a HDD |
| 22:27.14 | pickcoder | ~magnetic |
| 22:27.25 | drummer_wilson | so what happens? |
| 22:27.38 | NelsonM | can anyone help me fix a corrupt debian install? apt is upset about the Python that's installed, but all my install/remove/upgrade attempts fail around a python dependency. |
| 22:27.42 | rcbarnes | pickcoder: depends on the stick. Mine is very long-life, but it is a very premium one. |
| 22:27.47 | pickcoder | you can boot from it OK for a long time, provided you attach a HDD root |
| 22:27.57 | rcbarnes | but you're right, a HDD will outlive a stick most of the time |
| 22:28.15 | rahul | NelsonM: use aptitude |
| 22:28.27 | NelsonM | rahul: I am |
| 22:28.33 | drummer_wilson | so get a stick and use debian there is not a good idea? |
| 22:28.39 | bzed | NelsonM: try atitude, if that doesn;t help, show use some console output in a pastebin |
| 22:28.47 | rcbarnes | pickcoder: note that the better sticks should use a dynamic remapping of written sectors to reduce load on each bit. |
| 22:28.51 | pickcoder | drummer_wilson: it totally depends on what you are doing with it |
| 22:29.07 | drummer_wilson | hmm well desktop needs mainly |
| 22:29.09 | wols | rcbarnes: ALL flash does this now. ALL |
| 22:29.21 | rcbarnes | wols: well, I stand corrected :-P |
| 22:29.26 | rcbarnes | in caps! |
| 22:29.28 | rcbarnes | :-/ |
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| 22:29.35 | bzed | wols: no, the hardware aroudn the flash does it, or jffs2 if you use it directly on a flash |
| 22:30.00 | drummer_wilson | what i care is , i'm i gonna have the same functionality on my flash as i do on hdd? speed and all that? |
| 22:30.02 | wols | bzed: fkash stick is the whole thing. not just the memory cells :) |
| 22:30.19 | wols | drummer_wilson: speeds is about half, but access time is much lower |
| 22:30.29 | bzed | wols: for me a flash is a little black bug with a number of bright legs ;) |
| 22:30.37 | wols | most problematic will be booting from flash |
| 22:30.55 | Guerin | actually, most problematic is that flash is write-limited |
| 22:30.58 | pickcoder | rcbarnes: a guy I know has come up with a mapped I/O flash appliance that gets like 9000 blocks/sec random writes |
| 22:31.00 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: If it's a fast-ish stick, it'll be like a low-end drive for speed. |
| 22:31.01 | wols | bzed: hand in your geek card then. the botany nerds meet over there |
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| 22:31.08 | Guerin | and will quickly burn out if used with a journalling filesystem |
| 22:31.13 | Mr-R | drummer_wilson: consider using a usb hdd drive instead of a usb stick |
| 22:31.35 | zinx | pickcoder: what block size? for 512, that's awful. |
| 22:31.40 | Josia1 | hey all, i have a question about dual booting I'm hoping for a little help on: is it possible to create a partition scheme where in you have 1) ex2 for the Debian OS, 2) an NTFS for the windows OS, and a third that will contain the data for both (documents, music, etc) |
| 22:31.46 | Mr-R | drummer_wilson: the stick has lower live time compared to a hdd |
| 22:31.50 | pickcoder | 4K |
| 22:32.03 | wols | Josia1: sure |
| 22:32.05 | bzed | wols: at least it's botany. they could be philosophers |
| 22:32.09 | Guerin | Josia1: sure, use vfat for the dual-access partition |
| 22:32.12 | zinx | still slower than sequential writes on a hard drive, but better than a lot of flash :? |
| 22:32.15 | zinx | er,h :/ |
| 22:32.19 | drummer_wilson | rcbarnes: anyways.. can someone tell me whats the best stick around that will hopefully do my job? |
| 22:32.27 | wols | !best |
| 22:32.28 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 22:32.30 | pickcoder | it's well over double the throughput of a 15K serial attached SCSI setup |
| 22:32.37 | Josia1 | Guerin: vfat? |
| 22:32.40 | zinx | it is for random writes, i don't doubt it |
| 22:32.40 | NelsonM | here's my aptitude error dump: http://home.nelson.monkey.org/~nelson/tmp/error.txt |
| 22:32.41 | pickcoder | average scenario from live testing |
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| 22:32.43 | Guerin | Josia1: aka fat32 |
| 22:32.51 | zinx | but some stuff needs sequential writes :) |
| 22:32.54 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: really, it changes quickly. I haven't shopped for months (almost a year) so anything I know is probably wrong. |
| 22:33.00 | Josia1 | so that will be readable by both? |
| 22:33.04 | NelsonM | that's from trying 'aptitude remove python-gtk2-dev'. I get the same python-minimal errors trying anything via aptitude. upgrade, etc. |
| 22:33.04 | pickcoder | zinx: that's even faster, but he didn't have any specs at the conference |
| 22:33.07 | Guerin | Josia1: and writable, yes. |
| 22:33.07 | wols | Guerin: due to ntfs-3g and ext2ifs more choices are possible now |
| 22:33.08 | pickcoder | actually.. lemme see |
| 22:33.09 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: avoid anything on serious sale |
| 22:33.18 | Josia1 | wow, interesting, thanks |
| 22:33.28 | Guerin | wols: i wouldn't deploy them for at least another 12 months or so |
| 22:33.32 | zinx | pickcoder: erh? why would sequential writes be much faster than random on a flash device? |
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| 22:33.43 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: also, look at the read/write speeds (both mfr. spec and independent testing) |
| 22:33.45 | wols | Guerin: and vfat is not suitable for media files. the old 2GB file limit |
| 22:33.57 | NelsonM | it feels like I've wedged poor aptitude into not liking the python it itself is running. but I'm not sure |
| 22:33.58 | Guerin | wols: isn't that only fat16? |
| 22:34.09 | zinx | pickcoder: the only reason they're faster on hard drives is the hard drive doesn't have to seek... flash devices don't have to seek like that anyway |
| 22:34.11 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: and see how many writes they claim. It's usually a lie, but everyone lies proprtionally. |
| 22:34.21 | pickcoder | random reads are over 100K @ 4K |
| 22:34.27 | wols | Guerin: I stand corrected. 4GB. but still less than a piddly DVD |
| 22:34.39 | pickcoder | I'll inquire on sequential access when I can catch him |
| 22:34.45 | NelsonM | I'm hoping there's some clean way I can just remove all the problematic packages so an aptitude update willw ork |
| 22:34.52 | Guerin | yeh, buty I'll take that over ntfs support which will probably eat my data |
| 22:34.59 | drummer_wilson | rcbarnes: if i can't find any decent stick, can i try an external usb hdd? will i get same efficiency as on my hdd? |
| 22:35.32 | zinx | drummer_wilson: if it's USB 2.0 high speed, you'll get more-or-less the same, with a bit more CPU usage than with your IDE/SATA hard drive |
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| 22:35.35 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: It can, but beware. External drives are fairly hit-and-miss at times. |
| 22:35.40 | wols | drummer_wilson: since it's a hdd: prettty much minus a few % due to USB |
| 22:35.46 | zinx | drummer_wilson: if it's USB 2.0 full speed or USB 1.1x, it will be *MUCH* slower |
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| 22:36.03 | drummer_wilson | what bout firewire? |
| 22:36.03 | pickcoder | zinx: this has nothing do with normal flash drives |
| 22:36.12 | zinx | drummer_wilson: about like USB 2.0 high speed |
| 22:36.19 | rcbarnes | drummer_wilson: it's roughly usb2 speeds |
| 22:36.22 | wols | drummer_wilson: that's always pretty much drive speed. can't boot from it tho |
| 22:36.26 | zinx | pickcoder: i'm talking about flash technology in general :/ |
| 22:36.36 | zinx | pickcoder: if it has to seek, it's probably not flash |
| 22:36.37 | pickcoder | zinx: this is an enterprise flash drive solution that connects using fiber, AOE, or SCSI |
| 22:36.44 | drummer_wilson | wols :damn.. forgot bout that :P |
| 22:37.00 | wols | drummer_wilson: you can't boot from usb on many mobos either |
| 22:37.08 | wols | so that's a problem you always havew |
| 22:37.19 | wols | and all external firewire enclosures have usb too |
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| 22:37.44 | drummer_wilson | i can boot from usb.. |
| 22:37.51 | drummer_wilson | sure bout it :P |
| 22:38.04 | wols | mayny mobos can not however |
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| 22:38.07 | wols | no matter if you can |
| 22:38.13 | rcbarnes | Well, everyone... I've got a task scheduler (BSD 4.4) I've written that's dropping processes. I think I'll head off to make it no longer broken. Wish me luck! |
| 22:38.23 | wols | and the only good reason to use debian on a usb device is to take it with you |
| 22:38.30 | wols | for your own home PC you don't need it on USB |
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| 22:40.04 | NelsonM | hmm, I may have fixed my problem via 'aptitude remove python2.4' |
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| 22:41.36 | NelsonM | or else I've corrupted everything :-) |
| 22:42.22 | anapivirtua | Night all. |
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| 22:44.35 | terr_ | need to ask some questions with regard to a USB interface and I think its called a jump drive |
| 22:44.51 | terr_ | is anyone familiar? |
| 22:45.02 | h3xis | just ask the questions |
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| 22:45.43 | terr_ | h3xis: ok. I've plugged the things together. I run KDE. How does the system see it? Is there something I can do that will tell me the system sees it? |
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| 22:46.09 | terr_ | h3xis: do I need to make an entery in the fstab file adn mount it? |
| 22:46.18 | h3xis | terr_, run lspci to see if it's listed |
| 22:46.36 | terr_ | what am I looking for? |
| 22:46.38 | h3xis | and you dont have to make an entry in fstab to mount it |
| 22:46.40 | h3xis | the device? |
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| 22:46.52 | vick | is a program to cut like every 10 minutes in a song ? |
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| 22:47.01 | vick | is there a program* |
| 22:47.07 | h3xis | vick, what do you mean cut |
| 22:47.13 | corpcomp | I have "ISP-style Email Service with Debian-Sarge and Postfix 2.1" from workaround.org installed. Could someone point me to where I can find information on getting this type of install to send/receive mail via my ISPs gateway? |
| 22:47.26 | vick | h3xis, output an mp3 file with duration 10 minutes |
| 22:47.35 | h3xis | vick, audacity? |
| 22:47.36 | vick | h3xis, so that if the song was an hour, i'd have 6 files |
| 22:47.40 | terr_ | h3xis: I see via lspci the driver: 0000:00:04.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) |
| 22:47.46 | Ankman | corpcomp: web interface? |
| 22:47.49 | vick | h3xis, i'll check it out, thanks. |
| 22:48.04 | h3xis | terr_, that's just your usb controller. are you just wanting to mount a ush flash drive? |
| 22:48.06 | Ankman | terr_: ibm thinkpad? |
| 22:48.50 | terr_ | h3xis: I don't know if its a flash drive. A friend lent it to me so I could try it. Its a 4GB he calls it "jumpDrive" |
| 22:48.53 | corpcomp | Ankman: Sorry to sound thick, but I have no idea what you are referring to! |
| 22:49.00 | terr_ | nope. Asus motherboard. |
| 22:49.11 | h3xis | terr_, yes. check /dev for sda devices |
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| 22:49.32 | wols | corpcomp: by defininy a smarthost |
| 22:49.33 | Ankman | terr_: i have a thinpad, same USB chip, and deactivating ACPI was the only think helping to get USB running |
| 22:49.47 | Ankman | corpcomp: what's your ISP? |
| 22:49.50 | wols | corpcomp: however, receiving mail via "ISP gateway" is not really possible |
| 22:49.56 | terr_ | ACPI? |
| 22:49.56 | bzed | Ankman: O_o which kernel are you using? |
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| 22:49.58 | Ankman | you have SMTP and POP3? |
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| 22:50.02 | Ankman | 2.6.18 |
| 22:50.13 | terr_ | I see lots of sda devices in /dev |
| 22:50.17 | Ankman | terr_: yes |
| 22:50.24 | h3xis | terr_, sorry if i sound condescending but do you know how to mount a device from the command line? |
| 22:50.35 | terr_ | h3xis: yes. |
| 22:50.40 | Ankman | terr_: what does "lsusb" say? |
| 22:50.41 | bzed | Ankman: hmm, never had any trouble with thinkpads and that kernel |
| 22:50.43 | Ankman | any output? |
| 22:50.45 | terr_ | I have no idea where this thing ma[s to mind you. |
| 22:50.48 | corpcomp | wols: I have a catchall pop account hosted by my ISP |
| 22:50.57 | h3xis | terr_, see what ankman said |
| 22:51.01 | Ankman | bzed yeah, worked with oder kernels and ACPI |
| 22:51.02 | terr_ | bash: lsusb: command not found |
| 22:51.28 | Ankman | but with 2.6.18 not |
| 22:51.28 | h3xis | terr_, as root? |
| 22:51.28 | bzed | corpcomp: that's the way to collect tons of spam |
| 22:51.28 | Ankman | shall be a bug |
| 22:51.28 | terr_ | h3xis: and htis is not condecending at all. |
| 22:51.28 | terr_ | as root |
| 22:51.28 | wols | corpcomp: use getmail4 to receive mail and a smarthost to send (dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 22:51.47 | h3xis | terr_, okay, is your HDD SATA? |
| 22:51.48 | bzed | Ankman: tried 2.6.20? 2.6.18 seems to be buggy anyway. you should probably file a bug report about it for etch |
| 22:52.01 | Ankman | it's a known bug |
| 22:52.02 | terr_ | h3xis: the HDD is ide. |
| 22:52.04 | wols | terr_: plug the usb stick in then check dmesg for any new device |
| 22:52.06 | karsten | !installit terr_ |
| 22:52.15 | Ankman | and may be only with my 390E Thinkpad |
| 22:52.16 | karsten | Hrm. |
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| 22:52.19 | Ankman | fairely old |
| 22:52.21 | karsten | !tell terr_ about installit |
| 22:52.25 | h3xis | terr_, okay, try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /place/to/mount/it |
| 22:52.40 | karsten | h3xis: You're going to need to tell him about vfatrw as well. |
| 22:52.47 | h3xis | karsten, why? |
| 22:52.49 | corpcomp | bzed: Yes I am aware of that, but I have no other choice given my situation. Current I get 72% spam. |
| 22:52.49 | terr_ | hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/2, assigned device number 2 |
| 22:52.49 | terr_ | u |
| 22:53.05 | h3xis | terr_, whered you mount it to? |
| 22:53.07 | terr_ | usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x1307/0x163) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 22:53.08 | karsten | h3xis: 'coz that's the next n00b vfat question, obviously. |
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| 22:53.11 | wols | h3xis: the way you explain it only root can access that partition |
| 22:53.13 | Ankman | terr_: ok usb itself shall work |
| 22:53.20 | bzed | corpcomp: there's always an other choice |
| 22:53.23 | h3xis | wols, ah ok |
| 22:53.32 | corpcomp | wols: Will that tie in with config I mention in my first post? |
| 22:53.33 | bzed | terr_: modprobe usb-storage |
| 22:53.44 | karsten | h3xis: ... but I'll let you handle that rather than butting in m'self. |
| 22:53.49 | terr_ | h3xis: ok. give me a sec. You'll have to give me that command again if it scolls away. Channel is busy |
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| 22:53.57 | corpcomp | bzed: I am open to alternative solutions |
| 22:54.02 | karsten | terr_: scrollback is your friend. |
| 22:54.06 | h3xis | karsten, haha it's alright, ive never heard of vfatrw though |
| 22:54.16 | wols | corpcomp: it will work with it yes. but for your setup: that howto is WAY overkill. about ten sizes too large |
| 22:54.22 | bzed | corpcomp: create accounts?? |
| 22:54.22 | karsten | h3xis: NP, now you have. |
| 22:54.44 | wols | corpcomp: all you neded to do was apt-get install postfix courier-imap |
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| 22:54.49 | Ankman | corpcomp: for getting mails (from 7 accounts) i use fetchmail |
| 22:54.55 | wols | corpcomp: all those virual accounts with mysql and stuff is for you, useless |
| 22:54.57 | h3xis | karsten, does debian autodetect the fs for flash drives assuming it uses the standard fat16/32? |
| 22:54.59 | Ankman | it passes the mails to a local box |
| 22:55.07 | wols | !fetchmail |
| 22:55.07 | dpkg | fetchmail is, like, ESR's pet POP/IMAP client. It fetches mail from the server then hands it over to the local mda. or a tool that can use ESMTP ETRN extension or most frequently broken by not having a working MTA on the local machine. or most frequently fixed by reading the fetchmail manpage. |
| 22:55.23 | terr_ | bzed - I do NOT have that module loaded. |
| 22:55.29 | mystic_jade | what linux bittorrent can you recomend to me to linux that not azureus?! |
| 22:55.31 | karsten | h3xis: If you specify 'auto' in /etc/fstab, or no fs in 'mount' command, yes, in order given in either /etc/partitions or /proc/partitions (precendence to first). |
| 22:55.34 | corpcomp | wols: I am currently hosting quite a few domains with a large number of users within the wan/lan |
| 22:55.42 | terr_ | bzed DO I need it or will it autoload? |
| 22:55.44 | h3xis | karsten, alright |
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| 22:55.50 | karsten | h3xis: Usually msdos preceeds vfat, which means upcased 8.3 filenames, though. |
| 22:55.53 | wols | corpcomp: then you shoudn't even ask about getmail and fetchmail |
| 22:55.56 | h3xis | ah |
| 22:56.08 | Ankman | mystic_jade: i use mldonkey, has also fasttrack (kazaa), edonkey, gnutella, openap (napster) and so on |
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| 22:56.12 | wols | corpcomp: and not have pop3 catchalls at the ISP |
| 22:56.12 | karsten | h3xis: So either create /etc/partitions w/ ordering you want, or specify explicitly. |
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| 22:56.16 | robin_sz | corpcomp, try vpopmail |
| 22:56.23 | Ankman | !mlnet |
| 22:56.28 | mystic_jade | is this safe for use in linux? |
| 22:56.28 | Ankman | !mldonkey |
| 22:56.29 | dpkg | i guess mldonkey is a nice edonkey client, or at http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/mldonkey/ |
| 22:56.48 | wols | mystic_jade: p2p is never safe if you violate copyright |
| 22:57.11 | terr_ | io:/home/terr# mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usbdrive1/ |
| 22:57.11 | terr_ | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 22:57.13 | wols | mystic_jade: don't do the deed if you can't do the time |
| 22:57.20 | wols | or whatever criminals used to say |
| 22:57.35 | robin_sz | s/deed/crime/ |
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| 22:57.56 | mystic_jade | i'm not talking about violating copyright in safe software but what you guys do in internet?! lol |
| 22:58.02 | karsten | wols: Don't do the deed if you can't meet the need? |
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| 22:58.15 | axel | hey |
| 22:58.24 | corpcomp | wols: As I said earlier, given my current situation I am unaware of any other configuration I can take advantage of. |
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| 22:58.37 | wols | mystic_jade: just pointing out that you asking about safety is a stupid question |
| 22:58.38 | h3xis | terr_, okay, try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /usbdrive1 |
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| 22:58.47 | robin_sz | mystic_jade, well, imagine if a corporation took say, apache, copied it, stole the code and just sold it .. no GPL, no nothing, thats theft right? |
| 22:59.03 | wols | corpcomp: if you have multiple domains hosted, you're supposed to do your own mail, period |
| 22:59.08 | cwheeler | anyone got the debian nvidia packages from experimental to work? |
| 22:59.21 | terr_ | io:/home/terr# mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /usbdrive1/ |
| 22:59.22 | terr_ | mount: No medium found |
| 22:59.31 | h3xis | ... |
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| 22:59.56 | h3xis | terr_, wait, did you do sda1 or sdb1 |
| 22:59.58 | axel | I'm trying to install Debian on an Intel Celeron D (64bit) and i've downloaded (and burned) the ia64 netinst ISO image. If i try to see the CD content i can read it without problems but it won't boot. What could be the problem? |
| 23:00.07 | Mr-R | terr_: whats dmesg|tail telling? just after plugging in the usb-device? |
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| 23:00.17 | wols | axel: wrong ISO. wrong platform. this is for itanium |
| 23:00.17 | corpcomp | wols: I am unaware of the RFC for that requirement. I will go find it. |
| 23:00.20 | dutchfish | axel, you need amd64 package for that 1 |
| 23:00.28 | terr_ | Mr-R I'm checking that now. Lots of crap to read. |
| 23:00.29 | axel | ah |
| 23:00.31 | mystic_jade | wols man i'm be honest is excused to i lie is not one stupid question ... since we can download linux from bittorrent ... and they if they say linux is safe and bittorrent not ... so why linux is using ... one unsafe protocol? don`t? |
| 23:00.32 | axel | THX a lot guys |
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| 23:00.36 | terr_ | I did /dev/sda1 |
| 23:00.48 | h3xis | terr_, try sdb1 |
| 23:00.49 | wols | mystic_jade: use your brains |
| 23:00.52 | wols | if you have one |
| 23:01.00 | terr_ | however I have two (2) USB's and I did switch from one to the other when it said no media found. |
| 23:01.02 | wols | mystic_jade: bittorrent is NOT unsafe |
| 23:01.07 | mystic_jade | just asking if the software is safe ... what i do roung? |
| 23:01.11 | axel | bye |
| 23:01.15 | trycyt | Wow, ad hominem attacks and misinformation on #debian. |
| 23:01.18 | robin_sz | mystic_jade, because we suspect you spend 99% of your time downloading movies and music .. thats just a guess, but ... |
| 23:01.22 | wols | and no one anywhere says it's unsafe to downlaod linux distros with. don't play dumb |
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| 23:01.31 | mystic_jade | wols are you stressing? relax |
| 23:01.33 | Mr-R | terr_: just unplug the usb-device. wait a few seonds, plugin and try dmesg|tail |
| 23:01.41 | Mr-R | ~seconds |
| 23:01.50 | wols | mystic_jade: I just don't liked to be played for a fool by a p2p kiddie |
| 23:02.00 | terr_ | Mr-R: works |
| 23:02.14 | terr_ | now why doesn't it work on sda1? |
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| 23:02.37 | axel | i'm back! |
| 23:02.39 | mystic_jade | robin_sz honestly ... i strat to use linux because i don`t want to byt the windows ... $ becuase the money is not to much for one normal guy ... and because my windows xp was 2 mouths in home of one friend mine |
| 23:02.44 | Mr-R | terr_: of cause it works. but the output of "dmesg|tail" is critical. :) |
| 23:02.52 | mystic_jade | so think a litle beford you talk to much |
| 23:02.57 | axel | There is not amd64 netinst ISO image available on debian.org |
| 23:03.00 | terr_ | I would _presume_ that one USB port will be /dev/sda and the other will be /dev/sdb. But what if I use a hub? then what? |
| 23:03.16 | h3xis | terr_, wtf it's on a hub? :P |
| 23:03.22 | mystic_jade | but i bealiver in opensource and if opensource is release fredoom why we don`t release fredoom to the code and information and art? |
| 23:03.22 | dutchfish | axel, for etch there is a amd64 netinstall |
| 23:03.24 | wols | terr_: no |
| 23:03.30 | wols | terr_: you presume wrongly |
| 23:03.35 | Mr-R | terr_: is there some mention of some /dev/sd<whatever> device now found? |
| 23:03.39 | mystic_jade | the knogle belongs to the world ins`t it? |
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| 23:03.50 | terr_ | h3xis: no - no hub. But I'm wondering about a hub. lets not go there now. |
| 23:04.00 | h3xis | terr_, yes, i'd rather not |
| 23:04.07 | robin_sz | mystic_jade, so to be clear, you use "mldonkey, has also fasttrack (kazaa), edonkey, gnutella, openap (napster) and so on" to download different versions of linux, right? |
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| 23:04.46 | wols | robin_sz: yes, I always load my debian ISOs from napster |
| 23:04.49 | mystic_jade | thanks :) and then i just ask if this software is safe to be use in linux ... nathing more |
| 23:04.49 | wols | best speeds |
| 23:04.52 | axel | Yes, i've found it. THX |
| 23:05.06 | Guerin | wols: i do hope you check the md5s |
| 23:05.08 | robin_sz | mystic_jade, then the simple answer is no, no it isnt. |
| 23:05.11 | axel | bye |
| 23:05.19 | mystic_jade | ok thanks |
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| 23:05.28 | wols | Guerin: I simply pipe them to /dev/dsp. if it sounds good, I install it |
| 23:05.28 | h3xis | terr_, you get it? |
| 23:05.34 | Guerin | hehe |
| 23:05.35 | robin_sz | or on any other platform |
| 23:05.57 | SimonW | hello all... I need to use the gmp module for PHP - it doesn't seem to be in apt-cache search, what are my options? |
| 23:06.20 | karsten | SimonW: Under water? |
| 23:06.23 | dutchfish | SimonW, build it from source |
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| 23:06.28 | SimonW | curses... |
| 23:06.35 | karsten | ncurses. |
| 23:06.52 | dutchfish | !curses |
| 23:06.52 | dpkg | curses is probably a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators.you want ncurses! |
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| 23:07.05 | SimonW | is there a nice way of building PHP from source on Debian that's apt-friendly, or do I have to do the whole tarball / configure / make / thing ? |
| 23:07.14 | wols | SimonW: does it come with the standard php tarball? |
| 23:07.17 | SimonW | should I just apt remove Debian's PHP? |
| 23:07.21 | SimonW | no, it's a right pain :/ |
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| 23:07.38 | karsten | SimonW: /msg dpkg alternatives, stow, and source |
| 23:07.42 | wols | SimonW: how is it normally compiled then? separate tarball? |
| 23:07.49 | SimonW | looks like it |
| 23:07.55 | wols | if so, keep debian's php and download the additionals ources |
| 23:07.55 | dutchfish | SimonW, look at build-essential and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 23:07.58 | trycyt | I have reason to believe that dh_make is a bit outdated. The default watch.ex that is created has a line that says sf.net/projectname/projectname-version.tar.gz. Try browsing to anything with a URL like that: sf.net/projectname won't exist. It should be sf.net/projects/projectname |
| 23:07.59 | SimonW | http://uk.php.net/gmp |
| 23:08.07 | SimonW | "In order to have these functions available, you must compile PHP with GMP support by using the --with-gmp option." |
| 23:08.22 | terr_ | h3xis: server didn't like me pasting to /paste |
| 23:08.30 | robin_sz | gmp? greater mancherter police? |
| 23:08.32 | h3xis | terr_, use pastebin.ca |
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| 23:09.15 | terr_ | h3xis: give me a moment. |
| 23:09.18 | h3xis | k |
| 23:09.20 | trycyt | robin_sz: No, it's for arbitrarily large numbers. |
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| 23:09.33 | robin_sz | trycyt, like "3" ? |
| 23:09.47 | rahul | gamp |
| 23:09.49 | trycyt | robin_sz: Like 2387489237498237498273492374927592602745071234729934692347923874 |
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| 23:10.17 | robin_sz | trycyt, im still trying to imagine why it doesnt do that anyway |
| 23:10.30 | rahul | why doesn't what do that anyway? |
| 23:10.41 | wols | trycyt: bignum in php? ouch! |
| 23:10.45 | wols | that hurts! |
| 23:10.46 | robin_sz | why php doesnt support bignums |
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| 23:10.57 | trycyt | It does, just not by default. |
| 23:10.58 | rahul | robin_sz: because it's too cool for school |
| 23:11.04 | wols | robin_sz: why would you use bignums in php in the first place? |
| 23:11.10 | SimonW | wols: for OpenID |
| 23:11.11 | wols | I mean: php? |
| 23:11.16 | rahul | "modern" languages don't like to give correct answers, just fast ones |
| 23:11.29 | SimonW | believe me, I wish OpenID didn't require bignum support in PHP, it's a total pain |
| 23:11.31 | mirak | hi |
| 23:11.33 | robin_sz | wols, s/ bignums in// |
| 23:11.35 | trycyt | rahul: Care to qualify that rather generic statement? |
| 23:11.39 | ttyS1_ | everytime I try to compile a program I get the error: "configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" any idea on how I can correct this |
| 23:11.41 | mirak | what is the commandline to suspend the system and hibernate ? |
| 23:11.43 | rahul | trycyt: no qualification needed. |
| 23:11.49 | wols | robin_sz: that too. don't remind me |
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| 23:11.54 | trycyt | rahul: Ah, in other words, you have no clue what you're talking about. |
| 23:12.01 | rahul | trycyt: it's just cool to have shit that focuses on speed rather than correctness |
| 23:12.06 | rahul | haha, I have no clue... right |
| 23:12.16 | wols | just like windows: it stinks to high heaven, but realistically there is no way around it at some level (in web programming in the case of php) |
| 23:12.19 | robin_sz | wols, I once met a half-wit who wrote his system shell scripts in PHP ... |
| 23:12.20 | amphi | !comfort rahul |
| 23:12.21 | dpkg | There, there, rahul. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:12.35 | rahul | amphi: oh, I don't need comforting :) |
| 23:12.42 | trycyt | Anyway, who would I talk to in order to get dh_make fixed? |
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| 23:12.43 | amphi | rahul: I know, I joke |
| 23:12.44 | rahul | I don't use newfangled crap |
| 23:12.54 | wols | trycyt: the maintainer |
| 23:12.57 | wols | !tell trycyt about bts |
| 23:13.00 | rahul | trycyt: the maintainer. debian-devel list is also a good place. |
| 23:13.20 | wols | rahul: you use ALGOL68, FORTRAN60 and COBOL exclusively then? |
| 23:13.24 | dutchfish | robin_sz, i wrote many scripts in phpcli |
| 23:13.25 | wols | and a little LISP? |
| 23:13.36 | rahul | COBOL!! |
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| 23:13.43 | wols | dutchfish: it's still a fucking crappy, ugly rotten carcass of a language |
| 23:13.46 | robin_sz | dutchfish, thats not somehting you shoudl admit to |
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| 23:14.15 | dutchfish | wols, php = Pretty Hard to Protect |
| 23:14.22 | wols | as languages go, I consider php one step above brainfuck and whitespace and about equal with VB |
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| 23:14.59 | SimonW | PHP is a decent environment for building / deploying web applications... but a terrible programming language |
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| 23:15.07 | dav__ | elo |
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| 23:15.21 | dutchfish | what about ruby on rails |
| 23:15.30 | robin_sz | wols, there is not too much worng with PHP per-se, but every time some kiddie decide to "Learn how to program in computa" they seem to choose PHP, which is cool, but then they publish the shite code and the rest of the world copies it ... result: every (or almost every) example of PHP i have seen is the worst example of programming i have seen since the last PHP script I looked at |
| 23:15.31 | dav__ | why can't i have access to 2.6.19 kernel source and headers via apt-get ??? |
| 23:15.34 | zOap | how do I configure my touchpad to use the bottom scroller as sideways scroller in firefox and other apps? I'm using qsynaptics and the xorg synaptics driver. |
| 23:15.34 | mirak | is there a way to suspend the computer from command line ? |
| 23:15.39 | dutchfish | if we talking about scripting a meant |
| 23:15.52 | trycyt | To each his own. |
| 23:15.57 | wols | robin_sz: there is a lot of it wrong. php is not designed it's hacked together. and with languages this leads to disaster |
| 23:16.02 | trycyt | his/her/it to be politically correct. |
| 23:16.16 | robin_sz | wols, the OO Php is 8slightly* better |
| 23:16.17 | cwheeler | PHP is horrible |
| 23:16.19 | wols | robin_sz: things like register_globals and the like should never have been allowed to exist. ever |
| 23:16.22 | terr_ | h3xis: pastebin.ca is bitching at me. |
| 23:16.25 | cwheeler | a blight on mankind |
| 23:16.26 | h3xis | :o |
| 23:16.29 | robin_sz | wols, there I agree with you |
| 23:16.31 | h3xis | terr_, bitch back |
| 23:16.43 | h3xis | terr_, you could use the dreaded pastebin.com |
| 23:16.44 | terr_ | h3xis: I'm reading the dmesg log. DOes teh USB device look like a removable SCSI drive? |
| 23:16.47 | robin_sz | register globals is simply moronic |
| 23:16.51 | h3xis | terr_, yes |
| 23:17.02 | terr_ | h3xis: ok. I'm familiar with those. |
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| 23:17.12 | wols | robin_sz: problem is php is riddled with stuff like this. the standar dlib is a joke in naming, etc |
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| 23:17.36 | wols | not tom mention it being derived from C pretty much is a very poor choice for a high level scritping language, etc |
| 23:17.38 | terr_ | h3xis: I have quite a lot of optical and other scsi gear... including things like 3480, 3490 nad 3590 tape drives and Exabytes. |
| 23:17.44 | dav__ | how cld i find kernel headers and source for 2.6.1็-7 via apt |
| 23:17.48 | dav__ | please help me |
| 23:17.54 | robin_sz | wols, yep, its fairly smelly .. but some code is good, Joomla for example is OK |
| 23:18.03 | rahul | wols: but being derived from C obviously makes it fast!! |
| 23:18.09 | robin_sz | wols, OSCommerce is however shite ... |
| 23:18.14 | h3xis | terr_, i hope not plugged in all at once o_o |
| 23:18.22 | terr_ | h3xis: so would a hub look like multiple targets? |
| 23:18.26 | wols | rahul: yeah right. php and fast. you smoke good crack there rahul |
| 23:18.32 | rahul | heh |
| 23:18.35 | h3xis | terr_, honestly, i have no idea |
| 23:18.37 | robin_sz | wols, Perl and Template::Toolkit is a better choice |
| 23:18.39 | terr_ | h3xis: yes plugged in all at once. |
| 23:18.40 | rahul | wols: good meaning bad? |
| 23:18.43 | wols | dav__: same place you got your kernel from, same name |
| 23:18.45 | h3xis | terr_, i would imagine so? |
| 23:18.48 | I-kido | dav, 2.6.1รง-7 ? |
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| 23:19.08 | wols | rahul: not extraordinarily powerful. otherwise it couldn't give such good hallucinations |
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| 23:19.16 | wols | no. extraordinarily |
| 23:19.17 | terr_ | h3xis: on this system I don't have that much scsi. jut an exabyte and PD drive. I have a 4.3 GB optical on the shelf tho and a SCSI scanner. |
| 23:19.25 | h3xis | ah |
| 23:19.28 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 23:19.30 | rahul | heh |
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| 23:19.39 | rahul | wols: crack doesn't make you hallucinate |
| 23:19.51 | wols | rahul: then whatever you smoked, did |
| 23:20.00 | rahul | teehee |
| 23:20.00 | wols | amd vrey well indeed |
| 23:20.01 | Azar | is ftp.debian.org a package? what is the relation with dbengine? |
| 23:20.14 | wols | Azar: it's a hostname |
| 23:20.19 | rahul | nah, she didn't give me anything last night. well, she offered, but I told her to keep it. |
| 23:20.20 | wols | FQDN even |
| 23:20.26 | terr_ | h3xis: ok. I want to switch this to the other USB port to see how to do it. Do I have to unmount it or can I just pull the plug? |
| 23:20.44 | wols | terr_: as long as it's not mounted, you can pull it |
| 23:20.47 | Azar | wols: is listed as a package on bugs and requested to be removed |
| 23:20.47 | h3xis | terr_, if it's already mounted umount it |
| 23:20.51 | wols | if it is: unmount first |
| 23:20.57 | terr_ | h3xis: its mounted. |
| 23:21.03 | h3xis | terr_, ... unmount it XD |
| 23:21.03 | robin_sz | then pull it |
| 23:21.06 | wols | Azar: cause it is no package obviously |
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| 23:21.48 | Azar | wols: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=no&pkg=ftp.debian.org |
| 23:22.08 | Azar | sounds silly |
| 23:22.23 | wols | Azar: who cares that the listing got a glitch and has that in it? no one |
| 23:22.24 | Azar | hello mister abrotman |
| 23:22.29 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:22.49 | Azar | my question was: it will not be used anymore in sources? |
| 23:23.25 | Azar | RM: dbengine -- RoM; abandoned upstream, broken |
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| 23:23.39 | terr_ | h3xis: umount says device is busy |
| 23:24.01 | wols | terr_: cause somewhere some program has a file or directory sitll opened that'S on that device |
| 23:24.09 | h3xis | terr_, eject? |
| 23:24.10 | wols | terr_: lsof or fuser will tell you which |
| 23:24.18 | h3xis | terr_, er yeah wols is right |
| 23:24.23 | terr_ | h3xis: haha I'm in the directory! |
| 23:24.26 | h3xis | yeah |
| 23:24.30 | h3xis | that'll do it. |
| 23:24.40 | Azar | abrotman: ftp.debian.org is listed as bug that means we will not use that url in sources anymore? |
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| 23:26.08 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | you shouldn't use ftp.debian.org anyways |
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| 23:26.33 | Azar | abrotman uh thanks |
| 23:26.35 | liable | why not? |
| 23:26.41 | abrotman | use your country code or another mirror |
| 23:26.48 | wols | liable: server overload probably. you should use mirrors |
| 23:26.50 | Azar | what's dbengine? |
| 23:27.03 | wols | tell Azar about search |
| 23:27.06 | dav__ | noone can give a little help for that kernel problem |
| 23:27.09 | wols | !tell Azar about search |
| 23:27.14 | wols | apt-cache will tell you too |
| 23:27.17 | dav__ | i m just looking for 2.6.19 rev 7 kernel |
| 23:27.18 | liable | ftp.debian.org frequently is faster than my countries mirror |
| 23:27.30 | dav__ | wols, tahts the problem apt-cache doesnt give me answer |
| 23:27.35 | wols | dav__: that is no debian kernel so debian can't help you. wherever you got that kernel, that's where you get kernl source |
| 23:27.44 | terr_ | h3xis: ok. Seems I need to have the usb-storage device driver loaded before anything works. Does this make sense to you? |
| 23:27.51 | wols | dav__: cause you didn't get this kernel from debian, so how could we help you? answer: we can't |
| 23:27.53 | dkr | dav__: kernel.org :) |
| 23:27.56 | abrotman | liable: you can wait a bit longer .. use a mirror! |
| 23:28.00 | h3xis | terr_, yes. modprobe usb-storage |
| 23:28.07 | dutchfish | dav__, if i am right you need to build from source by downloading the source kernel package from http://www.kernel.org/ |
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| 23:28.31 | dav__ | only have fucking problems :( |
| 23:28.41 | wols | dav__: where did you get that kernel? |
| 23:28.48 | dkr | dav__: try viagra |
| 23:28.49 | wols | and why do you need exactly source? |
| 23:28.55 | dutchfish | dav__, i wish i had those ;) |
| 23:29.13 | Azar | liable: that bug was just opened... was curious about what the heck is |
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| 23:29.37 | dav__ | wols, ok at first i installed debian on the laptop ( but it didn't find my pcmcia wifi card ( that is detected on every live cd) so no net ... so i installed knoppix now i have the ent but knoppix is a fucking linux version |
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| 23:29.58 | wols | dav__: you are running knoppix then? |
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| 23:30.03 | wols | !knoppix |
| 23:30.04 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 23:30.12 | dav__ | wols, yes but can't install headers for that kernel etc... |
| 23:30.24 | wols | dav__: we don't care. ask knoppix |
| 23:30.25 | dutchfish | Azar, btw i had some weird problems with stalling machines with 2.6.18-4, as if they went standby |
| 23:30.26 | dav__ | wols, i had to build quickcam module from source |
| 23:30.27 | terr_ | h3xis: Next question. This is fat32 right? I presume this is ok under linux for read/write? any glitches known? |
| 23:30.37 | dav__ | wols, knoppix is lllaaaaaaammmmmmmme asshole |
| 23:30.43 | wols | !tell terr about vfatrw |
| 23:30.48 | wols | dav__: stop name calling |
| 23:30.55 | freeemind | hi, I just compiled my own custom debian-installer(netboot image) but the option "install the base system" doesnt appear in the menu, what is wrong? I didn't got any failures while compiling.. |
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| 23:30.56 | Azar | dutchfish: sarge with 2.6.18? |
| 23:31.00 | h3xis | uh oh dpkg is borked? |
| 23:31.03 | dutchfish | Azar, etch |
| 23:31.15 | terr_ | !tell terr_ about vfatrw |
| 23:31.15 | h3xis | terr_, basically what wols said |
| 23:31.17 | wols | !tell freeemind about kmuto |
| 23:31.25 | h3xis | !irritate dpkg |
| 23:31.26 | dpkg | dpkg: wenas who uses kde !!!1 |
| 23:31.29 | freeemind | wols: I am using kmuto's svn |
| 23:31.30 | Azar | dutchfish: problems you mean apt downloads or what? |
| 23:31.40 | wols | freeemind: ah, ok :) |
| 23:32.02 | h3xis | terr_, i think so. |
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| 23:32.07 | h3xis | terr_, ive never had any problems |
| 23:32.12 | dutchfish | Azar, no i had problems with freezing machines, no console reactions nor mouse, no errors very weird |
| 23:32.18 | Golus | hi all |
| 23:32.30 | freeemind | hi |
| 23:32.39 | freeemind | wols, is kmuto in freenode? |
| 23:32.52 | dutchfish | dutchfish, after a complete reinstall everything is running smoothly now |
| 23:33.05 | wols | freeemind: unlikely. irc.ofts.net has a #debian-boot or somesuch. I'd ask there |
| 23:33.15 | Azar | heh hard stuff to swallow, slow digestion |
| 23:33.18 | wols | irc.oftc.net |
| 23:33.21 | freeemind | ty wols! :) |
| 23:33.25 | freeemind | I'll try |
| 23:33.29 | terr_ | h3xis: ok. That's comforting to know. I see all these damn files are shown as owned by root. They came off a winders system How are we suppose to handle this. |
| 23:33.44 | Golus | anyone can tell me why in kde 3.5.5-1 and debian unstable firefox (tabs, menu bar,...) look more dark than in gnome? |
| 23:33.48 | wols | terr_: vfatrw tells you how. ignore at your own peril |
| 23:33.54 | h3xis | terr_, vfatrw |
| 23:34.03 | concept10 | how do I become a complete Debian zealot? |
| 23:34.09 | Azar | :) |
| 23:34.13 | dutchfish | Azar, i suspect its something in the kernel in respect to ext3 |
| 23:34.17 | wols | concept10: drink the cool aid |
| 23:34.19 | Azar | concept10: by attacking other distros? |
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| 23:34.40 | h3xis | concept10, lynch anyone who asks about the next stable release date |
| 23:34.43 | concept10 | Im dead serious |
| 23:34.51 | Azar | dutchfish: if you got some logs from the installation you could forward a bug, we need more |
| 23:34.57 | wols | concept10: what for? |
| 23:34.59 | amphi | concept10: tatto the debian swirl on your forehead |
| 23:35.07 | dutchfish | Azar, thats the problem i wish i have |
| 23:35.13 | concept10 | I hate starting to hate Ubuntu, already hate red hat |
| 23:35.14 | wols | concept10: all you'd do is annoy other people. that wouldn't help debian |
| 23:35.29 | wols | everybody hates RPM distros. that's just healthy development |
| 23:35.30 | terr_ | h3xis: wols I don't follow what I need the "id" command for. |
| 23:35.30 | dutchfish | dutchfish, after a hard powerdown, nothing abnormal in all logs |
| 23:35.53 | Azar | dutchfish: I think there are logs kept at least you could write and describe the symptoms they gonna reply you asking for certain logs |
| 23:35.55 | wols | terr_: to see what user and group id you yourself have |
| 23:36.02 | dutchfish | Azar, it happened about 1 - 2 hours after such machine went iddle |
| 23:36.07 | wols | terr_: it's a number above 1000 for both |
| 23:36.08 | Azar | ahhh power yes I remember that |
| 23:36.09 | terr_ | wols I can look in /etc/psswd |
| 23:36.23 | wols | terr_: but not everyone knows that |
| 23:36.27 | RvGaTe | any good txt-based/console only torrent clients ? |
| 23:36.36 | terr_ | wols that's the obvious way. |
| 23:36.45 | wols | RvGaTe: rtorrent Ithink |
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| 23:36.52 | concept10 | I recently switched from using Debian only on the server, to Debian on desktop and server. Friggin ubuntu treats people like noobs. I want my distro how I want it. I don't want some OP telling me I should replace shit on the desktop. |
| 23:36.54 | Azar | last year I was installing debian at a friend's home. I never knew he issues with power, and only after 6th try I finally completed a installation |
| 23:36.57 | dutchfish | Azar, i am prepared now with 1 machine, it logs remmote and its monitored by nearby server |
| 23:37.01 | wols | RvGaTe: and mldonkey is a daemon |
| 23:37.15 | Azar | dutchfish: power fluctuation during install can causse issues |
| 23:37.26 | terr_ | wols h3xis I take it that I should probably create an fstab entry for this usb storage device. Does that make sense? |
| 23:37.31 | dutchfish | Azar, everything is on UPS |
| 23:37.37 | h3xis | terr_, you dont have to |
| 23:37.51 | terr_ | h3xis: how do most ppl do it? |
| 23:37.58 | h3xis | terr_, using mount |
| 23:37.59 | Azar | dutchfish: even so... there are power fluctuations |
| 23:38.00 | terr_ | h3xis: just mount by hand? |
| 23:38.02 | dutchfish | Azar, i suspect kernel issues in respect to ext3 |
| 23:38.14 | h3xis | terr_, user preference i guess |
| 23:38.36 | wols | terr_: yes |
| 23:38.49 | Azar | dutchfish: if you go on irc.oftc.net #debian-kernel I think you could tell your story there |
| 23:38.54 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.11 | dutchfish | Azar, i will if i have more precise info (logs) |
| 23:39.28 | Azar | dam we need more bugs.. |
| 23:39.58 | wols | why? etch not late neough for you? |
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| 23:40.00 | dutchfish | Azar, another thing what i saw was that sshd is a lot slower on initial connections |
| 23:40.11 | Azar | wols: we need a perfect etch |
| 23:40.32 | Azar | concept10: tell us more.. that was interesting |
| 23:40.50 | concept10 | haha |
| 23:40.54 | Azar | :) |
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| 23:41.02 | concept10 | Azar, I hate GNOME too |
| 23:41.14 | Azar | concept10: I "dislike" any |
| 23:41.24 | terr_ | h3xis: wols: correct me if I'm wrong. The vfat does not have the concept of a group:user ID, hense one is "simulated". The mount of the media allows one to specify what you want to se the dummy id#'s to. If you don't set it then it defaults to root:root |
| 23:41.39 | h3xis | terr_, no idea :/ |
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| 23:41.50 | terr_ | h3xis: wols: so what if a person ran chmod -R on the vfat media? |
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| 23:42.12 | Azar | oh man if only my company would move to Debian.... I would be the smartest noob there |
| 23:42.22 | dutchfish | terr_, what about selinux on such fs? |
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| 23:42.35 | terr_ | h3xis: next I presume this media is preformatted to be vfat32. Can we reformat it to ext? |
| 23:42.44 | concept10 | Azar, Ive just done a neat hack though. I replaced Nautilus on the GNOME desktop with xfdesktop and Thunar for the filemanager. I feel relieved. Ive been wanting to rid myself of Nautilus for years |
| 23:42.45 | h3xis | terr_, i suppose |
| 23:42.46 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.52 | wols | mkfs.ext2 /device |
| 23:42.56 | terr_ | wols: we can reformt it? |
| 23:43.10 | wols | we can't. you can |
| 23:43.11 | Azar | the sky is the limit, concept10 |
| 23:43.27 | terr_ | wols do we have to blow away the vfat? or will mkfs do that for us? |
| 23:43.36 | concept10 | Azar, I know.. but now I know why people start new distros |
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| 23:44.06 | terr_ | wols: by "we" I meant we folks who use devices like this... not you and me. |
| 23:44.29 | concept10 | Azar, im about to start Bar Fight Linux (based on Debian) |
| 23:45.39 | concept10 | Azar, you can come and the channel and talk foul without being kicked. But you might get cursed at in the process. You ask for a feature, we say "Go to hell, we dont have time for that junk" |
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| 23:46.48 | dutchfish | Azar, want another bug? sealink.c is broken for some voip phones |
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| 23:47.42 | Azar | wow, dutchfish nice |
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| 23:48.17 | Azar | concept10: good for you man, and nothing is waste of time... only I don't go farther than base install with minimum necessities |
| 23:48.56 | concept10 | Azar, I like the same kind of install |
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| 23:49.19 | Azar | dutchfish: is that a debian package? |
| 23:49.31 | juice` | are there any mirrors to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 23:49.31 | terr_ | h3xis: this is weird. I see in my /etc/fstab I have /dec/sda already used for my optical drive (Panasonic PD - 2 targets... is either a CD or optical). now I see that the USB also used sda how is it possible that sda is reused? |
| 23:49.54 | dutchfish | Azar, it repeat this over and over : localhost kernel: drivers/usb/input/yealink.c: unexpected response fd (it seams it tries to detect a mass storage device, wich my tiptel VOIP phone is not) |
| 23:49.59 | dondelelcaro | juice`: yes, but not many |
| 23:49.59 | abrotman | juice`: ask #debian-boot on oftc |
| 23:50.03 | abrotman | or don |
| 23:50.06 | dondelelcaro | juice`: if you want that iso, just use the jigdo files |
| 23:50.11 | h3xis | terr_, if you change devices |
| 23:50.12 | wols | terr_: it isn't. check your dmesg what the panasonic uses |
| 23:50.31 | juice` | dondelelcaro: any idea where might those mirrors be? |
| 23:50.59 | juice` | i want to download it fast... |
| 23:51.26 | *** part/#debian scv (n=administ@61-56-177-238.cm.ubbn.net) |
| 23:51.35 | dondelelcaro | juice`: they're listed on debian.org/CD |
| 23:51.40 | *** part/#debian blaamannh (n=rune@124.85-200-35.bkkb.no) |
| 23:51.57 | *** join/#debian bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-123-065.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:52.41 | dutchfish | Azar, its not that important for me i delve into next week |
| 23:52.43 | Azar | dutchfish: that looks to me like a file... not a full package and I can't find it in Debian |
| 23:52.51 | terr_ | wols: mount: block device /dev/sda is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 23:53.00 | dutchfish | Azar, its a kernel module |
| 23:53.10 | Azar | dutchfish: it might be something used for cellular phones only? |
| 23:53.11 | Azar | ah |
| 23:53.11 | dondelelcaro | juice`: but the vast majority of those mirrors don't have it; you really want to use jigdo if sweden isn't fast enough for you |
| 23:53.19 | juice` | dondelelcaro: i think those ones are only for stable version |
| 23:53.29 | dutchfish | Azar, its used for mass storage devices (on detect) |
| 23:53.47 | dutchfish | Azar, and usb flops |
| 23:53.59 | Azar | dutchfish: ahhh I see well, well.... it will not affect/benefit the next Debian release I guess |
| 23:54.12 | dutchfish | Azar, its etch |
| 23:54.30 | dutchfish | Azar, kernel 2.6.18-4 |
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| 23:55.25 | dutchfish | Azar, also pcmcia uses depricated code in the kernel modules |
| 23:55.29 | karsten | Are package keys associated with individual packages, or with package lists? |
| 23:55.40 | Azar | dutchfish: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ < file a bug if it is not already listed |
| 23:55.46 | karsten | ... and if the latter, how do I find out what key(s) are associated with which lists. And simiarly for packages. |
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| 23:56.31 | dutchfish | Azar, i had not that much time but i will file all my bugs on saturday (23 in total, with logs) |
| 23:56.39 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you mean PGP keys? |
| 23:56.42 | Azar | yeee!!! |
| 23:56.52 | Azar | good for you and for us, dutchfish |
| 23:56.56 | dutchfish | Azar, just some primers in front |
| 23:57.17 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yes |
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| 23:57.44 | dutchfish | Azar, but still love debian, had to install fxx suse this week, looks like a horror show... |
| 23:58.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: aptitude's giving the the "untrusted sources" warning, still. I've added the keys as listed in the apt-factoids mentioned in /topic. |
| 23:58.01 | dondelelcaro | karsten: they're only for the Release file currently; there is (was?) a plan to go for per-package signatures, but it hasn't happened yet |
| 23:58.05 | Azar | well, I never actuall "installed" etch, I upgraded and so far, everything works "super-perfect" so I haven't had the chance to find bugs |
| 23:58.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to get a slightly deeper understanding of this. |
| 23:58.15 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Ok. |
| 23:58.25 | karsten | dondelelcaro: But release files have package sums, right? |
| 23:58.50 | dutchfish | Azar, on my servers no bugs so far, those bugs are related to a desktop install with many devices |
| 23:59.01 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the Release file is signed by a key to create the Release.gpg file; the Release file contains md5 and sha1 sums of the Packages file which contains md5 and sha1 sums of the packages themselves. |
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| 23:59.26 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you just need to use apt-key to add the key which was used to sign the Release file |
| 23:59.31 | dondelelcaro | (which apt-get should tell you) |
| 23:59.32 | dutchfish | Azar, just the freezing up of those machines is worrying me with kernel 2.6.18-4 |
| 23:59.41 | dondelelcaro | s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
