| 00:00.10 | beau | please any ideas? |
| 00:00.22 | amphi | beau: be root |
| 00:00.22 | theblue | beau, su? |
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| 00:00.35 | beau | in term right? I did that |
| 00:00.51 | beau | that is why I am stumped |
| 00:00.54 | theblue | So you typed 'su vim /etc/fstab'? |
| 00:00.58 | theblue | Whoops. |
| 00:01.06 | theblue | That was stupid of me. |
| 00:01.16 | theblue | Is it set to writeable? |
| 00:01.19 | beau | is that what I need to type? |
| 00:01.25 | theblue | No, don't type that. |
| 00:01.33 | theblue | I've spent too much time in #ubuntu. |
| 00:01.37 | beau | how do i set to writeable? |
| 00:01.52 | amphi | beau: type 'whoami' in the term, and tell us what it says |
| 00:02.16 | beau | all I want to do is get my ipod running with gtkpod, this is getting frustrating |
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| 00:02.38 | beau | it says root |
| 00:02.46 | Leibsle | after an update from debian 3.1 to 4.0 etch, my ssh daemon refuses a login with the message "Permission denied (publickey)" - any idea why that happens and how to fix it? |
| 00:02.47 | amphi | ipod, *snort* |
| 00:02.52 | beau | when i type whoami |
| 00:03.21 | amphi | beau: so you should be able to edit /etc/fstab then - what does 'ls -l /etc/fstab' show? |
| 00:03.58 | beau | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 526 Feb 26 02:48 /etc/fstab |
| 00:04.23 | amphi | beau: but you can't edit it? |
| 00:04.30 | beau | no |
| 00:04.40 | beau | am i doing something wrong? |
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| 00:04.59 | amphi | beau: I have no idea what you are doing |
| 00:05.18 | beau | i open the file with an editor add the text press save and it says I dont have permission |
| 00:05.34 | chemist | beau: what editor? |
| 00:05.44 | amphi | what editor? |
| 00:05.49 | beau | kate, kwrite |
| 00:05.58 | beau | kedit |
| 00:06.04 | amphi | did you try with nano in that term? |
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| 00:06.14 | amphi | ugh, so many kthings |
| 00:06.31 | beau | I dont know what that means |
| 00:06.39 | beau | nano |
| 00:07.09 | amphi | beau: type 'nano /etc/fstab' in the term, edit the file, and save it |
| 00:07.47 | beau | thank you |
| 00:08.09 | theblue | cheers. |
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| 00:09.31 | karsten | "Sometimes you want to go / where everybody knows your nick" |
| 00:09.32 | abrotman | dancing queen ? |
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| 00:09.58 | beau | amphi : how do i save this? |
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| 00:10.14 | danf_1979 | Anyone knows the exact mke2fs command that uses de debian etch installer for creating ext3 partitions? I want to use it |
| 00:10.37 | Ankman | mkfs.ext3? |
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| 00:11.30 | danf_1979 | dont know :) |
| 00:11.48 | amphi | beau: there are destructions at the bottom of the display |
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| 00:12.15 | beau | I see that, do I just type X to exit? |
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| 00:12.47 | amphi | beau: '^' means control key |
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| 00:13.20 | beau | thanks for your patience |
| 00:14.23 | amphi | beau: you got it? |
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| 00:15.09 | Quintin | How would I format a man page for the web? |
| 00:15.38 | Coweater | man2html? |
| 00:15.59 | Quintin | super |
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| 00:16.57 | robin_sz | can I apologise on behalf of the Linux community in general, and the Debian community in particular for making htta command so obscurely named and difficult to find ;) |
| 00:17.11 | robin_sz | argh, I really shouldnt have typed that ... |
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| 00:19.25 | s0n1 | i need put ibcs in my kernel debian |
| 00:19.34 | s0n1 | someone knows or use ibcs in your debian? |
| 00:20.35 | Guerin | s0n1: is it like icbm? |
| 00:20.57 | beau | does anyone know how to get debian to mount an ipod? |
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| 00:21.45 | hatter | (Inter Continental Ballistic Missle) |
| 00:21.52 | Guerin | !fgi beau mount+ipod+debian |
| 00:21.52 | dpkg | beau: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=mount+ipod+debian |
| 00:22.20 | streuner | hehe, Guerin doesn't have one of those ;-) |
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| 00:23.14 | Guerin | an ipod? No. |
| 00:23.20 | Guerin | nor an icbm, to be fair. |
| 00:23.28 | karsten | beau: Still working at that? |
| 00:23.30 | Guerin | but i'd be more liekly to buy one than an ipod |
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| 00:24.11 | streuner | karsten: since 2 days ;-) |
| 00:24.59 | karsten | streuner: If he keeps at this, he can start googling his own #debian IRC logs. |
| 00:25.00 | hatter | 'Hello Professor Faken, would you like to play a game ?' |
| 00:25.27 | karsten | hatter: Did you see the Eureka! episode with that line? |
| 00:25.35 | karsten | hatter: Inspired. |
| 00:25.48 | hatter | karsten: cool, don't know the show Eureka , |
| 00:26.02 | Quintin | Guerin: I have a whole backyard of icbms! |
| 00:26.30 | karsten | hatter: SciFi channel, I think. Friend likes it. |
| 00:26.36 | Quintin | wait, are we talking about the same things? :\ |
| 00:26.49 | hatter | I have sci fi channel.... |
| 00:26.57 | hatter | havent seen that one, i will watch out for it |
| 00:27.03 | Guerin | Quintin: intercollegiate beer monitor? |
| 00:27.08 | Guerin | i can see a need for those |
| 00:27.11 | streuner | beau: what about gtkpod? |
| 00:27.18 | streuner | !info gtkpod |
| 00:27.18 | Guerin | gotta make sure nobody is shirking in the beer department |
| 00:27.23 | dpkg | gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.99.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 493 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB |
| 00:27.31 | Quintin | Guerin: intercontinental b4ll1st1c m1ssl3s |
| 00:27.38 | geo-rge | beerShirkage |
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| 00:28.30 | Guerin | Quintin: terrrrrrist! |
| 00:28.41 | streuner | tourist ;-) |
| 00:28.51 | ki11bi11 | do we have usb raid yet? anybody working on it? |
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| 00:29.26 | pipeline | ki11bi11: You can use USB devices for RAID just fine. |
| 00:29.32 | pipeline | ki11bi11: It is not recommended, but doable. |
| 00:29.37 | pipeline | !nickometer ki11bi11 |
| 00:29.39 | dpkg | 'ki11bi11' is 73.000% lame, pipeline |
| 00:29.41 | jelly-home | firewire? |
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| 00:30.05 | geo-rge | us bee raed... as tue daffyrynt tings |
| 00:30.33 | Quintin | I have a RAID5 with USB floppies |
| 00:30.35 | Quintin | it works great! |
| 00:30.36 | streuner | beau: http://www.yak.net/fqa/420.html |
| 00:30.42 | geo-rge | !nickometer geo-rge |
| 00:30.43 | dpkg | 'geo-rge' is 14.000% lame, geo-rge |
| 00:30.54 | geo-rge | damn, I must score HIGHER! |
| 00:30.57 | jelly-home | Quintin: but do you have a hot spare? |
| 00:31.24 | jelly-home | hmm, raid5 with usb sticks... |
| 00:31.33 | Quintin | jelly-home: of course! |
| 00:31.41 | streuner | geo-rge: use capital letters and/or weird chars like ^ |
| 00:31.44 | Quintin | !nickometer Quintin |
| 00:31.46 | dpkg | 'Quintin' is 0.000% lame, quintin |
| 00:31.59 | streuner | one capital letter doesn't count |
| 00:32.17 | jelly-home | !nickometer Ox0F0-0FF |
| 00:32.18 | dpkg | 'Ox0F0-0FF' is 99.390% lame, jelly-home |
| 00:32.21 | geo-Rge | !nickometer geo-Rge |
| 00:32.23 | dpkg | 'geo-Rge' is 15.000% lame, geo-rge |
| 00:32.27 | streuner | yeah, that's fine :-)) |
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| 00:32.34 | Quintin | !nickometer l4m3r |
| 00:32.36 | dpkg | 'l4m3r' is 27.000% lame, quintin |
| 00:32.37 | geo-Rge | heyy! I got another point! |
| 00:32.57 | jelly-home | !stop |
| 00:32.57 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 00:33.11 | zamuro | dpkg: kiss me |
| 00:33.20 | jelly-home | ... no, dpkg, stop is HAMMERTIME |
| 00:33.29 | zamuro | LOL |
| 00:34.05 | Quintin | !stop |
| 00:34.06 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 00:34.30 | Quintin | dpkg: 4/2 |
| 00:34.31 | dpkg | 2 |
| 00:34.42 | Quintin | dpkg: 38/23432/23423 * 23423 + 234 - 2 |
| 00:34.43 | dpkg | 232.001621713896 |
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| 00:35.14 | Guerin | ffs |
| 00:35.17 | twobitsprite | so... I thought the Sun's java runtime was GPL... why is it in non-free? or, did I misread something? |
| 00:35.26 | DaveyB | dpkg: 22/7 |
| 00:35.26 | dpkg | 3.142857142857 |
| 00:35.34 | gravity | twobitsprite: They haven't finished freeing the libraries yet |
| 00:35.38 | twobitsprite | I see |
| 00:35.42 | gravity | twobitsprite: That should be coming in a few months |
| 00:35.47 | twobitsprite | right on |
| 00:36.14 | geo-rge | so then is the actual package content in contrib? |
| 00:36.19 | danf_1979 | is it possible to install etch with debootstrap? |
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| 00:36.39 | danf_1979 | # /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch ARCH etch \ |
| 00:36.39 | danf_1979 | > /mnt/debian http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 00:36.39 | danf_1979 | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 00:36.41 | geo-rge | danf_1979: probably L( |
| 00:38.35 | geo-rge | err :) even |
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| 00:38.39 | geo-rge | why are you setting --arch? |
| 00:38.39 | danf_1979 | :( |
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| 00:38.41 | danf_1979 | I'm following this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 00:38.55 | geo-rge | try leaving out --arch ARCH and see what happens |
| 00:38.59 | geo-rge | here' |
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| 00:39.34 | geo-rge | s my guess: you are running a debian now, and this new debian chroot will both be run on the same machine |
| 00:39.50 | geo-rge | yes? |
| 00:40.45 | danf_1979 | I have an empty box, just made the partitions and now I'm on the debootstrap part :D I found this, I'm going to test it now: =>>> debootstrap etch /mnt/debian/ ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 00:41.26 | danf_1979 | nah, didn't work, maybe I downloaded the wrong deboostrap? |
| 00:41.48 | danf_1979 | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.2.45-0.2_i386.deb |
| 00:42.00 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 00:42.00 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 00:42.11 | danf_1979 | thats what I'm using |
| 00:42.20 | danf_1979 | Guerin, I've already post the error... |
| 00:42.22 | danf_1979 | :) |
| 00:42.37 | danf_1979 | E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 00:43.21 | Guerin | danf_1979: solution: use another script |
| 00:43.37 | geo-rge | ls /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ | wc -l |
| 00:43.47 | geo-rge | wut dat sey? |
| 00:44.06 | danf_1979 | potato sarge sarge.buildd sid sid.buildd slink woody woody.buildd |
| 00:44.10 | danf_1979 | those are the scripts |
| 00:44.26 | geo-rge | so that's an older debootstrap |
| 00:44.38 | danf_1979 | ok :) |
| 00:44.50 | Guerin | your options are: get an up-to-date script, or install one of those you have |
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| 00:45.12 | geo-rge | if you choose latter, you can still upgrade |
| 00:45.40 | Guerin | it sounds like i9t's *really* fucking old though so it might be a mission |
| 00:45.59 | Ankman | how do i find out if i use hal or hotplug for usb? |
| 00:45.59 | geo-rge | bot wun ting uta tym |
| 00:46.00 | Ankman | not using udev, that i deactivated due to problems |
| 00:46.03 | Guerin | !aolify geo-rge |
| 00:46.23 | jlamr | how do I stop/start my network connection? |
| 00:46.31 | geo-rge | !start a barbie war |
| 00:46.31 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 00:46.42 | Guerin | jlamr: /etc/init.d/networking (stop|start) |
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| 00:47.05 | jlamr | thanks Guerin |
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| 00:47.28 | geo-rge | you can also use ifup and ifdown on specific interfaces |
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| 00:48.10 | jlamr | okay thanks |
| 00:48.12 | danf_1979 | geo-rge, thanks, I've found the etch script in http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.2_all.deb |
| 00:48.44 | rahul | barbie wars make me HARD1 |
| 00:48.46 | rahul | I mean |
| 00:49.21 | geo-rge | im |
| 00:49.39 | geo-rge | too sexy for my scheme too sexy for my scheme |
| 00:49.57 | geo-rge | so sexy you'll dream |
| 00:50.04 | DaveyB | geo-rge, right said fred was never cool. |
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| 00:52.14 | litage | is there a difference between ``echo -n 0x02 >foo'' and ``echo -n 2 >foo'' ? |
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| 00:52.43 | twobitsprite | is the standard etch kernel built for encrypited drives? or, how does one check that? |
| 00:52.58 | geo-rge | litage: depends on whether echo translates the hex thing |
| 00:53.00 | pipeline | litage: depends on the "echo" program. I don't think your shell will swap that out. |
| 00:53.33 | litage | twobitsprite: when i was using the Etch netinst daily build 1.5 weeks ago, it listed the option of using encrypted partitions |
| 00:53.41 | litage | thanks |
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| 00:53.52 | twobitsprite | litage: hmm... I don't remember an option... |
| 00:53.53 | geo-rge | gnu echo (probably a bash builtin) sees 0x02 as "0x02" |
| 00:54.01 | twobitsprite | litage: how would I check? |
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| 00:54.29 | litage | twobitsprite: i think i saw the option while manually partitioning my drive |
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| 00:55.13 | twobitsprite | ohh... so that was just to build an encrypted drive... well... I plan to build one manually, and I just need to know if my kernel supports it... |
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| 00:55.59 | ferguscan | This is an odd question, but does anyone know where i can find info on finger positioning for one-handed dvorak? |
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| 00:56.57 | Archville | ferguscan, http://www.onehandedkeyboard.com/dvorak.html |
| 00:57.32 | s0n1 | someone use ABI -IBCS in debian ? |
| 00:57.44 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 00:57.44 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 00:58.44 | karsten | Problem on update: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org unstable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:58.50 | karsten | Known issue? |
| 00:58.57 | ferguscan | Archville, that tells me the layout, but not where to put my fingers |
| 00:59.14 | stew | karsten: update again? |
| 00:59.57 | litage | i ran ``echo 2 >/sys/module/usbhid/parameters/pb_fnmode`` but just a minute ago read that someone else is trying to write 0x02. is there a difference? |
| 01:00.02 | karsten | stew: Rinse, wash, repeat, no dice. |
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| 01:04.45 | abrotman | karsten: touch the file ? |
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| 01:11.38 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:11.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:11.46 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 01:11.46 | dpkg | [monkeys] the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 01:12.04 | karsten | Well, that seems to get rid of the message, but shouldn't that (and related) package files exist? |
| 01:12.49 | karsten | abrotman: After touching them, and updating again, they're missing again. |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | karsten: you're not the only one to complain about that recently |
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| 01:13.57 | nethen | hello |
| 01:14.42 | karsten | abrotman: Ohh! I'm a member of a club! |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | and the president! |
| 01:15.55 | Quintin | howdy |
| 01:16.01 | Quintin | Can I get some feedback on this page? http://daecom.biz/tools/ |
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| 01:18.15 | donaldo | is traffic control in sarge's -3 |
| 01:18.20 | donaldo | whoops, sorry |
| 01:18.39 | donaldo | is traffic control in sarge's latest 686 kernel? |
| 01:18.57 | wols | wondershaper always worked, so afaik yes |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | !dbugs 388652 |
| 01:19.01 | dpkg | #388652:I[samba] smbd: infinite loop when removing file from windows 2003 client; Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:03:11 UTC |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | doh .. wrong one |
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| 01:19.11 | abrotman | !dbugs 399652 |
| 01:19.13 | dpkg | #399652:M[apt] apt-get grammer mistake in error message "public key unavailabile"; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:18:02 UTC |
| 01:19.20 | donaldo | wols: thanks |
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| 01:19.58 | abrotman | come on .. it was funny! |
| 01:20.10 | twobitsprite | is there a way to tap into whatever xscreensaver is reading to find out inactivity times? |
| 01:20.14 | donaldo | d'oh, what about the 386 kernel? i forgot the system i'm now isn't the one i need it on, lol |
| 01:20.24 | karsten | donaldo: Same ansewr |
| 01:20.29 | karsten | answer, even. |
| 01:20.32 | donaldo | karsten: thanks |
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| 01:21.29 | abrotman | karsten: notice the two words that aren't spelled correctly |
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| 01:23.14 | karsten | abrotman: Well, "grammar". The other one is the bug itself. |
| 01:23.31 | abrotman | karsten: there's another |
| 01:23.59 | karsten | abrotman: Though "availabile" might have its fans... |
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| 01:27.27 | samu1 | i am trying to compile my first ever kernel, the how to says Required: |
| 01:27.27 | samu1 | A Debian kernel source in /usr/src. - how do i get that please? |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 01:28.39 | Quintin | does apache2 on debian 3.1 have mod_geoip? |
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| 01:31.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | _Still_ over 100 RC bugs? Etch will never get released... :( |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | go fix bugs |
| 01:32.28 | twobitsprite | is there a way to see what process is accessing a particular mount? I can't unmount something becuase it's busy, but I can't figure out what's using it... |
| 01:32.41 | stew | !+info libapache2-mod-geoip sarge |
| 01:32.43 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:32.45 | dpkg | Package 'libapache2-mod-geoip' does not exist. |
| 01:32.52 | karsten | twobitsprite: fuser -vm <mountpoint> |
| 01:32.58 | stew | Quintin: ^^ looks like no |
| 01:33.09 | twobitsprite | karsten: sweet, I knew you'd come through for me! :) |
| 01:33.15 | Quintin | curses! |
| 01:33.19 | Quintin | I'll have to move my server to etch maybe |
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| 01:33.28 | karsten | twobitsprite: Submounts can also do it, so check that. If you've chrooted and unchrooted, did you mount anything udner the chroot? |
| 01:33.31 | karsten | qncurses! nfoiled nagain! |
| 01:33.34 | karsten | Quintin: ^^ |
| 01:33.36 | twobitsprite | karsten: I must say, you've answered probably half of the questions I've asked in here recently... thanks a bunch :) |
| 01:33.46 | karsten | twobitsprite: NP. These are easy. |
| 01:34.09 | Quintin | did everyone look at my l33t site? :P |
| 01:34.37 | Quintin | Do your worst!! |
| 01:35.16 | twobitsprite | karsten: I'm sure they are, but the fact that you don't berate me for not knowing, or ignore me for being a luser is very much appreciated :) |
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| 01:36.42 | karsten | twobitsprite: I'm combing through logfiles here, glance over at channel, if I see an easy question, I answer. |
| 01:36.52 | karsten | twobitsprite: Keeps me from getting bored out of my gourd. |
| 01:37.16 | Guerin | !win me |
| 01:37.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 01:37.32 | twobitsprite | !cheers karsten |
| 01:37.35 | twobitsprite | doh |
| 01:37.38 | twobitsprite | !beer karsten |
| 01:37.45 | Guerin | my paper was one of two A+ marks given by this prof all term |
| 01:37.51 | karsten | Danke. |
| 01:38.00 | karsten | Guerin: What did that cost you ;-) |
| 01:38.05 | Guerin | so the door is officially open to me |
| 01:38.15 | Guerin | karsten: most of my remaining sanity ;) |
| 01:38.22 | Quintin | Guerin: what door. |
| 01:38.35 | karsten | Guerin: Shit! You had some left? And we didn't use it up yet? |
| 01:38.44 | Guerin | Quintin: i get to jump the queue into MA research, without doing an additional (honours) year |
| 01:38.51 | karsten | Guerin: Gradsckul door? |
| 01:38.52 | Guerin | karsten: i know. I am yet young. |
| 01:39.11 | Guerin | karsten: yes. She'll personally support whatever application I care to make. |
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| 01:39.42 | Guerin | and what she says goes, because she's HOD and probably the most respected living political scientist in NZ |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | Host On Demand ? |
| 01:41.19 | Guerin | abrotman: Head of Department |
| 01:41.26 | nethenson | hello. I have a laptop and would like to view digital tv (DVB). Could you recommend me a usb tv-tunner stick that works well on Debian? |
| 01:41.39 | Guerin | nethenson: time for google |
| 01:41.46 | Guerin | and why USB? |
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| 01:42.01 | nethenson | Guerin: laptop -> no-pci |
| 01:42.06 | karsten | Guerin: HOD? |
| 01:42.07 | karsten | NM. |
| 01:42.12 | Guerin | nethenson: pcmcia > usb |
| 01:42.16 | karsten | Guerin: Congrats, that's swollen. |
| 01:42.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:42.43 | Guerin | karsten: it makes it sound much more ... physical |
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| 01:43.04 | karsten | Guerin: Turgid, even. |
| 01:43.18 | Guerin | karsten: whoar! Say no more! |
| 01:43.34 | karsten | knowwhatimean? knowwhatimean? |
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| 01:44.54 | Regner | Is there a way to have proftp to show two different directories when i log in ? Say like /export/public/ftppublic and the users home dir ? |
| 01:44.58 | nethenson | Guerin: mmm... i always thought that pcmcia < usb.. so I think that ExpressCard >> usb, right? |
| 01:45.06 | selim | can someone help me with the problem that my ifup eth0 is working but every time I try to restart the system my network scripts tells me there was an error and doesn't bring up the eth0 interface |
| 01:45.08 | danf_1979 | Hi again guys... I have a new problem. I'm installing with deboostrap. |
| 01:45.10 | danf_1979 | Linux:/# mount -a |
| 01:45.10 | danf_1979 | mount: special device /dev/sda6 does not exist |
| 01:45.21 | danf_1979 | I'm getting a lot of those messages |
| 01:45.29 | danf_1979 | how can I recreate them? |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | nethenson: yeah |
| 01:45.33 | danf_1979 | I'm on a chroot in there |
| 01:46.00 | Guerin | danf_1979: did you mount the chroot without nodev? |
| 01:46.02 | karsten | danf_1979: Um, /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 01:46.09 | karsten | danf_1979: start those two. |
| 01:47.00 | karsten | danf_1979: (in the chroot). Stop 'em when you're done or you'll have trouble umounting the chroot partition. |
| 01:47.20 | nethenson | Guerin: thanks a lot for the info :) I'll add "expresscard" to my "linux (tdt OR dvb)" google search |
| 01:47.21 | danf_1979 | ok, thanks karsten, I'll test that now |
| 01:47.36 | danf_1979 | I get the same |
| 01:47.37 | selim | anyone some idea? |
| 01:47.57 | twobitsprite | what would be faster... "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdb1" or "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hdb1" ? |
| 01:47.57 | danf_1979 | mount: special device /dev/sda6 does not exist |
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| 01:49.07 | danf_1979 | karsten, it seems it didn't work, I get the same error |
| 01:50.20 | danf_1979 | Guerin, I just did a => mount /mnt/debian /dev/sda5 |
| 01:50.35 | danf_1979 | sorry |
| 01:50.36 | danf_1979 | # mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/debian/ |
| 01:51.58 | karsten | danf_1979: Depends on what your device support is. If you're using old-style /dev/ directory, you can just mknod the entries (or use MAKEDEV). |
| 01:52.22 | Guerin | danf_1979: on what host OS? |
| 01:52.57 | samu1 | i have kernel source 2.6.8 which patch should i download from here http://www.bootsplash.de/files/ i am following this how - to http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=99848 |
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| 01:53.42 | Reiser_X | hi |
| 01:54.12 | Reiser_X | any java channel? |
| 01:54.25 | Caelum | ##java |
| 01:54.34 | Caelum | is there a remedy client for linux? |
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| 01:55.10 | danf_1979 | Guerin, I dont really know for sure, its a remote recovery toolkit from my dedicated server provider |
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| 01:56.26 | sanzky | hi everyone, does anyone knows where is the dpkg database? |
| 01:56.44 | sanzky | where the system keep which packages i have installed |
| 01:57.09 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.18 | Caelum | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 01:57.40 | sanzky | so, I erase it, the packages will be still there but dpkg will not know about them, right? |
| 01:59.00 | zpertee | how easy is debian to install? |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | it's fun! |
| 01:59.13 | abrotman | sanzky: huh ? |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | sanzky: what are you really trying to do ? |
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| 01:59.41 | sanzky | I have a huge dependency problem and I am sick of it |
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| 01:59.49 | danf_1979 | karsten, how may I use mknod? It seems that running # MAKEDEV did nothing |
| 02:00.11 | wols | sanzky: this way you won't solve that problem. all you get is an even bigger dependency problem |
| 02:00.12 | karsten | danf_1979: man mknod |
| 02:00.35 | wols | make makedev |
| 02:00.46 | karsten | danf_1979: mknod hda6 b <major> 6 |
| 02:00.47 | Reiser_X | ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel |
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| 02:01.06 | wols | Reiser_X: then identify yourself to services? |
| 02:01.08 | karsten | danf_1979: mknod /dev/hda b 3 6 |
| 02:01.19 | sanzky | wols, maybe, but I have tried allmost everything, and also the system hasnt pretty much installed, and i have a metapackage that will install everything i got plus more |
| 02:01.20 | Caelum | sanzky: what is your dependency problem? you can always --force-depends temporarily |
| 02:01.21 | karsten | Reiser_X: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:01.29 | danf_1979 | Ok thanks karsten |
| 02:01.41 | wols | sanzky: are you running debian? what "meta package"? |
| 02:01.46 | Regner | Is there any way to have it so that when you log into proftpd it shows you a list of possible directories instead of just logging you into one ? What i am trying to do is have it so that a user has access to their home dir and a something like /export/public/ftppublic ? |
| 02:02.12 | sanzky | it is actually ubuntu, but I couldnt find help there |
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| 02:02.24 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 02:02.25 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 02:02.36 | wols | sanzky: doesn't matter |
| 02:02.49 | samu1 | i am trying to complie my first kernel, i am on xfce, i tried the command make xconfig but it says Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the |
| 02:02.49 | samu1 | * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR |
| 02:02.49 | samu1 | * environment variable is set to the correct location. |
| 02:03.04 | wols | samu1: use make menuconfig |
| 02:03.17 | wols | but install libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev |
| 02:04.34 | samu1 | menuconfig: command not found |
| 02:05.10 | wols | read all I wrote. not just half |
| 02:05.13 | wols | make menuconfig |
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| 02:07.10 | samu1 | wols could you take a look at this please? http://pastebin.ca/373891 |
| 02:07.11 | Quintin | Why is access.log not being written to? there is lot of free disk |
| 02:07.51 | stew | Quintin: is access.log.1 being written to? |
| 02:08.03 | Quintin | stew: nope |
| 02:08.09 | zpertee | does debian have an asterisk package? |
| 02:08.14 | wols | samu1: what gcc version? |
| 02:08.20 | wols | !find asterisk |
| 02:08.21 | stew | zpertee: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:08.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'asterisk' (15 of 23): asterisk ;; asterisk-app-dtmftotext ;; asterisk-app-fax ;; asterisk-app-misdn-v110 ;; asterisk-bristuff ;; asterisk-chan-capi ;; asterisk-chan-misdn ;; asterisk-classic ;; asterisk-config ;; asterisk-dev ;; asterisk-doc ;; asterisk-h323 ;; asterisk-oh323 ;; asterisk-prompt-de ;; asterisk-prompt-es. |
| 02:08.33 | Quintin | zpertee: apt-cache search asterisk ? |
| 02:08.59 | wols | samu1: use a gcc-3,3 ir si |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | or so! |
| 02:09.16 | zpertee | dpkg: ok thanks ubuntu didn't have it and I'm switching to debian just wanted to make sure tht debian had it before I switched |
| 02:09.16 | wols | yes, or so |
| 02:09.24 | wols | time to some eye resting I guess |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | !punish wols' fingers |
| 02:09.47 | wols | no falt of my fingers but my drowsy brain |
| 02:09.51 | stew | zpertee: http://packages.ubuntu.com/asterisk |
| 02:09.52 | wols | *fault |
| 02:10.04 | Quintin | zpertee: .... |
| 02:10.08 | stew | zpertee: it is in ubuntu |
| 02:11.07 | zpertee | stew: ok thaks for the info but I am still sick of ubuntu and ready to switch |
| 02:11.19 | abrotman | !d-i zpertee |
| 02:11.20 | dpkg | zpertee, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:11.28 | geo-rge | you can -always- build asterisk or anything else that comes as source |
| 02:11.54 | Caelum | does ubuntu dist-upgrade to debian? :) |
| 02:12.22 | geo-rge | probably not |
| 02:12.24 | zpertee | dpkg: that's what I'm using |
| 02:12.38 | stew | !bot |
| 02:12.38 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 02:13.14 | geo-rge | a bot that guesses! |
| 02:13.35 | samu1 | i still get the same error http://pastebin.ca/373893 |
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| 02:22.52 | Trifith | I've just installed Sid, and I'm trying to get Xorg working. it's installed, but x won't start because it can't find the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/X11/. the Directory is not on the system. |
| 02:22.59 | Guerin | hate du jour: people who pronounce `cache' like `cachet' |
| 02:23.03 | Trifith | is there a package to install to add these fonts? |
| 02:23.32 | Guerin | Trifith: what package did you install to install xorg? |
| 02:23.42 | Trifith | xserver-xorg |
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| 02:23.56 | Guerin | Trifith: why the fuck are you running sid? |
| 02:24.19 | Guerin | Trifith: that's *never* installed a functional x server on any branche of debian. Go read the install guide. |
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| 02:24.40 | Trifith | Guerin: thanks |
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| 02:27.12 | Staz | Hi, I plan to switch from Ubuntu 6.10 to Debian, I have a LVM volume, will this be recognised by debian? |
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| 02:29.13 | EvilGlowingApple | hi, using a nightly build, and the debian-installer looks like it might be stuck at 5% of "Select and install software". Is there any way to see if it's just going really slow or if it's stuck? Not sure if I can switch to a verbose mode or something. ps does show udpkg and several other processes that I'm guessing are installing packages, but not sure if they're making progress. |
| 02:29.29 | tres[work] | Anyone know of a way to bind an automount? I've been googling for the last hour and not finding much |
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| 02:33.23 | Guerin | Staz: i don't see why not. |
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| 02:33.59 | Guerin | EvilGlowingApple: drop to a shell and update the key. /msg dpkg no public key |
| 02:34.15 | MidgetSpy | hey guys, last week I was trying to bring an old system up to date with apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get update, but I've somehow descended into some kind of dependancy hell stemming from the fact that the kernel isn't up to date enough. I'm trying to update the kernel but any tutorial I've found involves apt-get which I can't use because it tells me to fix the 20+ unmet dependancies first. what should I do? |
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| 02:35.51 | Guerin | matt_o: fix the dependencies |
| 02:35.58 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: fix the dependencies |
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| 02:38.33 | EvilGlowingApple | Guerin: dropped to a busybox, but apt-get isn't in the $PATH. Tried find and running it from /target/usr/bin/apt-get, but looks like all its shared libs aren't installed yet |
| 02:39.10 | Guerin | EvilGlowingApple: you probably need to do it in /target |
| 02:39.17 | Guerin | i mean, chrooted |
| 02:39.41 | Guerin | but the proper libs should alll be installed ... |
| 02:39.44 | stoned | yola |
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| 02:40.17 | Guerin | stoned: kia ora bro |
| 02:40.27 | stoned | kya ho raha hai |
| 02:40.31 | stoned | not much :) |
| 02:40.41 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 02:40.48 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:40.55 | Guerin | it's in american, how cute ;) |
| 02:41.02 | stoned | heh |
| 02:41.06 | stoned | I was just correcting you |
| 02:41.11 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:41.13 | stoned | you got the general sound right |
| 02:41.27 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:41.33 | stoned | kya = what, ho raha hai = happening now |
| 02:41.42 | Guerin | in which language? |
| 02:41.45 | stoned | Urdu |
| 02:41.49 | Guerin | no shit |
| 02:41.51 | stoned | you said kia ora bro |
| 02:42.01 | P_Kable | since I switched to kde my gigabit network is veryyy slow on this machine |
| 02:42.08 | Guerin | `kia ora' == literally `be healthy' but generally means `hello' in māori |
| 02:42.08 | stoned | I thought someone taught you how to say whats happenening in Urdu |
| 02:42.09 | stoned | haha |
| 02:42.16 | stoned | thats awesome |
| 02:42.17 | EvilGlowingApple | Guerin: ah, yeah, makes sense. Now it's telling me that /var/lib/dpkg is locked. Perhaps the install is working but just extremely slowly? It's been running for over an hour now, but it is installing X and gnome, etc... |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | you could get rid of kde .. or try another DE/WM |
| 02:42.28 | Guerin | EvilGlowingApple: yeah, it will be. Kill it dead! |
| 02:42.37 | rahul | and ia orana in tahtian |
| 02:42.53 | Guerin | rahul: yeah, much the same base language |
| 02:42.57 | rahul | yep |
| 02:43.06 | MidgetSpy | Guerin: um, the updated kernel is one of the dependancies.... |
| 02:43.23 | stoned | hey rahul check my site again |
| 02:43.27 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: aptitude -f install |
| 02:43.30 | stoned | don't it look better now |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: can you paste the actual error ? |
| 02:43.37 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: no package list - put output on paster |
| 02:43.41 | stoned | so as I was going to ask |
| 02:43.56 | rahul | dude |
| 02:44.03 | rahul | that background is distracting |
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| 02:44.34 | Guerin | rahul: it doesn't have purple underpants, what are you on about? |
| 02:44.41 | Guerin | fuck, that's ugly |
| 02:44.51 | Guerin | sorry mate, but you were doing better with plain colours and css |
| 02:44.52 | rahul | and when the stylesheet chooser toolbar wraps, it's messy |
| 02:44.53 | rahul | haha |
| 02:45.02 | rahul | Guerin: it has GREEN underpants |
| 02:45.11 | rahul | LIME GREEN |
| 02:45.42 | stoned | I cannot install libsdl1.2-dev the error I recieve is that libglu1-xorg-dev or libglu-dev is not going to be installed. I check the BTS and only 1 person recieved this error, everyone else said libsdl1.2 dev is installable, I check bts for the ones apt couldn't install (libglu1-xorg-dev, libglu-dev) and I see no bugs of the sort. What is the reason I am unable to install the sdl dev packages, and what can I do about it? |
| 02:45.52 | stoned | this is on Sid btw, all packages upgraded today |
| 02:46.08 | rahul | did you use aptitude? |
| 02:46.09 | Guerin | and that bidness where you have a wee box which scrolls the text in the middle is evil |
| 02:46.16 | stoned | rahul: no apt-get |
| 02:46.21 | rahul | stoned: use aptitude |
| 02:46.24 | stoned | alright |
| 02:46.29 | rahul | yeah, wee boxes of text are annoying |
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| 02:47.17 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5517 |
| 02:47.46 | stoned | this is the entire output |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | haha .. magic8ball says .. try again later |
| 02:48.06 | stoned | I've tried everything pretty much |
| 02:48.10 | Guerin | so let it do what it wants |
| 02:48.19 | rahul | stoned: the GUI will give you more details on what choices you have, too |
| 02:48.22 | Guerin | don't fight it |
| 02:48.26 | Guerin | you will LOSE |
| 02:48.30 | rahul | er, the UI. it's not X. |
| 02:48.38 | stoned | heh |
| 02:48.51 | stoned | so the translucent box is no good? |
| 02:48.55 | stoned | ya'll suck. |
| 02:49.07 | Guerin | translucent boxen are NEVER good |
| 02:49.11 | beau | at the risk of being ignored indeffinitly could someone please help me mount an ipod? |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | you broke debian and made a crappy website .. and we suck ? |
| 02:49.21 | Guerin | beau: ask #ipod |
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| 02:49.23 | hamond | i am able to run a remote system in kde with vnc but gkrellm will not work. anyway to get round this? |
| 02:49.26 | abrotman | beau: gtkpod ? |
| 02:49.30 | beau | yes |
| 02:49.31 | stoned | abrotman: i broke debian? |
| 02:49.34 | stoned | hardly |
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| 02:49.49 | beau | abrotman I cant get it to mount |
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| 02:50.05 | abrotman | beau: more details are good |
| 02:50.10 | beau | ok |
| 02:50.23 | beau | well I am a linux n00b,,,,be patient |
| 02:50.29 | stoned | yeh well I like the box |
| 02:50.34 | stoned | I dont' think its crappy at all |
| 02:50.49 | beau | I have read and tried multiple manuals and I still cant mount the ipod |
| 02:50.51 | stoned | and I downgraded the two packages |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | then don't ask for our opinion |
| 02:51.00 | stoned | abrotman: I didn't ask you |
| 02:51.03 | stoned | quit being a dick |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | quit whining :) |
| 02:51.19 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 02:51.20 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:51.22 | stoned | alright whatever have the last word and stfu |
| 02:51.24 | stoned | jeez man |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | (note... i didn't give my opinion on the site) |
| 02:51.38 | rahul | heh |
| 02:51.42 | stoned | yeh you're right im wrong |
| 02:51.47 | stoned | go smile |
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| 02:52.03 | stoned | when the option of downgrading packages presents itself in aptitude |
| 02:52.06 | rahul | the box should be opaque and solid instead of translucent |
| 02:52.15 | rahul | and much less of a border |
| 02:52.17 | stoned | where do the lower version # packages come from? snapshots or something |
| 02:52.17 | stoned | ? |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | opaque and solid eh ? :) |
| 02:52.20 | rahul | or a smaller font |
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| 02:52.46 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.54 | abrotman | rahul: does it have a fingernail at the end? |
| 02:53.04 | stoned | to the main repositories contain many versions of a package? |
| 02:53.09 | stoned | whats going on here? |
| 02:53.09 | rahul | yeah, she always loses one in there |
| 02:53.22 | stoned | s/to/do the |
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| 02:53.36 | rahul | stoned: apt-cache showpkg <blah> |
| 02:54.14 | beau | can someone please help me get an ipod mounted |
| 02:54.34 | stoned | I'm just trying to find out how it downgrades a package, like where does that lower version # package come from? |
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| 02:54.49 | stoned | rahul: i can't yet it hasn't down downloading |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | beau: any errors ? |
| 02:54.58 | rahul | sure you can |
| 02:55.07 | stoned | fine |
| 02:55.12 | stoned | make me open another terminal |
| 02:55.16 | rahul | they have this multitasking feature on computers these days |
| 02:55.19 | beau | no errors |
| 02:55.25 | stoned | *grumble* |
| 02:55.28 | abrotman | none in dmesg either ? |
| 02:55.41 | beau | can i paste bin my results? |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:55.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:55.58 | stoned | rahul: I can't man you don't get it do ya |
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| 02:56.11 | rahul | you're too stoned? |
| 02:56.18 | stoned | rahul: alright! fine |
| 02:56.21 | stoned | i'll open another terminal |
| 02:56.24 | stoned | fuck |
| 02:56.46 | stoned | ok so word |
| 02:56.58 | stoned | alright now I can package this game |
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| 02:57.48 | beau | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5518 |
| 02:58.19 | stoned | Guerin: so why is the box bad? |
| 02:58.27 | rahul | stoned: it's tiny |
| 02:58.32 | stoned | it is? |
| 02:58.34 | rahul | stoned: yes |
| 02:58.40 | abrotman | beau: it says your ipod is fucked .. from what i can tell |
| 02:58.42 | stoned | what resolution do you run |
| 02:58.45 | Guerin | stoned: because it's an unnecesary limitation of my ability to see content as I want to |
| 02:59.10 | Guerin | 18852x864 |
| 02:59.10 | rahul | stoned: 1920x1050 |
| 02:59.10 | Guerin | bah, 1152x864 |
| 02:59.10 | rahul | but that's not the size of by browser windows :) |
| 02:59.10 | stoned | ahh hmm |
| 02:59.11 | stoned | Guerin: how would like to see the content? |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | beau: maybe that's normal |
| 02:59.16 | rahul | browser windows are half-screen |
| 02:59.58 | Guerin | stoned: in a webpage, with no gimmicks and bullshit. |
| 03:00.05 | rahul | Guerin: there's a link for that |
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| 03:00.30 | Guerin | stoned: ignoring the colour scheme, attrition.org's setup is very close to perfect (except it could use some navigation) |
| 03:00.37 | beau | abrotman : I thought that looked weird to, BUT itunes on windows reads the ipod |
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| 03:00.55 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/373941 <-- in the middle, when it gets to udev, it warns me that my kernel version is invalid and I need to update it |
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| 03:01.19 | stoned | Guerin: so use the plain stylesheet and see what you think. its pretty plain |
| 03:01.30 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:01.34 | Guerin | i could do that |
| 03:01.40 | Guerin | but I likely wouldn't bother |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: it tells you what is wrong |
| 03:02.34 | EvilGlowingApple | beau: almost sounds like something's messed up with the hub (though if it works on win, then maybe something's messed up with a usb module in your kernel) |
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| 03:04.37 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: that it can't update from older udev packages and I should purge udev? |
| 03:04.49 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: or find the udev it's looking for |
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| 03:05.45 | beau | my keyboard and mouse are usb could it be a conflict? |
| 03:05.56 | stoned | Guerin: I see what you're saying |
| 03:06.08 | beau | also,,, it is only usb 1.0 |
| 03:06.14 | Guerin | beau: not likely. |
| 03:06.17 | beau | my usb port |
| 03:06.17 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: ok, well it is my understanding that the new version of udev requires a new kernel, which is where I was stuck in the first place. if I purge udev and can't install the new one I might be completely screwed, right? |
| 03:06.23 | Guerin | usb doens't conflict, that's its whole point |
| 03:06.30 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: that's not quite it |
| 03:06.31 | beau | yes |
| 03:06.38 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: dpkg -l udev .. what does it say ? |
| 03:06.45 | beau | how about the ipod wanting 2.0? |
| 03:07.12 | abrotman | !info udev sarge |
| 03:07.14 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: it lists 0.056-2, which is the "too-old" version I am currently using. |
| 03:07.19 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 03:07.49 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: so get 056-3 from packages.debian.org .. install that .. try again |
| 03:10.48 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: ok, it lists an unmet dependancy (hotplug)... should I now manually go download that as well? should I try it through aptitude? |
| 03:11.15 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: grab the hotplug too |
| 03:12.22 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: ok done, and: http://www.pastebin.ca/373946 :-| |
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| 03:13.10 | justin | doesn't udev conflict with hotplug? |
| 03:13.21 | abrotman | it does in etch |
| 03:13.26 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: so do what it asks! |
| 03:13.37 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: or is that going to take udev with it ? |
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| 03:13.51 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: I didn't mean the hotplug message, I meant the msg about udev requiring a new kernel (a few lines from the bottom) |
| 03:14.11 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: that's okay .. just wait til it asks you to remove the running kernel :) |
| 03:14.18 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: which kernel do you have ? |
| 03:14.28 | MidgetSpy | 2.6.8-2 |
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| 03:14.38 | geo-rge | sargy |
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| 03:15.09 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: it's freaking out because your sarge was out of date to start with |
| 03:15.12 | madd_matt | Is there any advanage at all to using "aptitude install" vs "apt-get install"? Earlier somebody mentioned i should use aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | madd_matt: yes |
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| 03:15.33 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: ok, this is what I hope to fix eventually, hehe |
| 03:15.57 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: so should I purge hotplug and try continuing? |
| 03:16.01 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: uname -a |
| 03:16.15 | madd_matt | abrotman, What, exactly? Wouldn't they both in the end install the same packages? |
| 03:16.30 | abrotman | no |
| 03:16.34 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: yes, that's how I got my kernel version: Linux franchi 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:17.00 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: from packages.debian.org get kernel-image-2.6-386 and kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
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| 03:17.46 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: are you running gnome right now ? |
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| 03:18.54 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: I was, until being halfway through a dist-upgrade made my GUI stop working |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | i can't imagine why ... |
| 03:19.14 | abrotman | oh .. </sarcasm> .. almost forgot |
| 03:19.19 | profpardal | Ol pessoal algum sabe me dizer qdo sai a verso oficial do etch? |
| 03:19.23 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:19.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:19.27 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | i meant |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:19.30 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 03:19.47 | MidgetSpy | hehe yes it didn't surprise me... I'm at a terminal now, which is fine until this gets resolved |
| 03:19.50 | abrotman | !d-i profpardal |
| 03:19.51 | dpkg | profpardal, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:20.27 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: ok I have those kernel packages, now install the 2.6-386 package? |
| 03:20.34 | abrotman | yes please! |
| 03:20.42 | profpardal | thanks |
| 03:20.58 | abrotman | and i don't even speak portuguese! |
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| 03:21.12 | abrotman | though .. i'm not sure he got what he wanted either :) |
| 03:21.30 | MidgetSpy | hehe well etch is the same in portugese I guess ;-P |
| 03:21.37 | scv | hi |
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| 03:22.08 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: and now continue with aptitude -f install? |
| 03:22.12 | rahul | abrotman: he's talking about an offical version, tho |
| 03:22.15 | MidgetSpy | (after removing hotplug) |
| 03:22.18 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: might want to apt-get update first |
| 03:22.19 | rahul | abrotman: which might mean a release |
| 03:22.21 | abrotman | erm ... aptitude |
| 03:22.24 | markybob | abrotman, he was wondering when etch would officially be released. :) |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | oh! |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | !tell profpardal about wwer |
| 03:22.47 | rahul | and I don't even speak portugese! |
| 03:22.56 | abrotman | he said thanks! |
| 03:23.01 | abrotman | how was i supposed to know! |
| 03:23.02 | rahul | heh |
| 03:23.06 | abrotman | i don't even speak english! |
| 03:23.16 | rahul | yeah |
| 03:23.22 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 03:23.22 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:23.43 | rahul | nah, it's waahdah |
| 03:23.59 | abrotman | it's wooder here |
| 03:24.00 | rahul | wooder sounds like a brit who's had too much helium |
| 03:24.10 | rahul | waadah |
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| 03:24.46 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: aptitude purge hotplug fails because it tries installing all the pending stuff first (including udev), so I get a message telling me to purge hotplug when I go aptitude purge hotplug. can I force it to just do the purge? |
| 03:24.55 | markybob | my first employee quit after a week. that's probably not a good sign, is it? ;) |
| 03:24.58 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: don't purge it manually |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | markybob: aren't you employee #1 ? |
| 03:25.17 | scv | haha |
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| 03:25.28 | geo-rge | markybobinc? |
| 03:25.32 | markybob | abrotman, well, ok. second :) |
| 03:25.36 | scv | the emplyee+boss? |
| 03:25.45 | abrotman | markybob: did he/she have a good reason ? |
| 03:25.56 | geo-rge | s/good // |
| 03:25.57 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: there's another way? |
| 03:26.06 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: it will try to do it i believe |
| 03:26.13 | markybob | abrotman, couldnt figure out how to do what i needed him to do. not as good as he initially claimed to be. at least i didnt have to fire him :) |
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| 03:26.46 | abrotman | markybob: ah .. see .. that's why i don't lie during interviews .. just gets me in trouble :) |
| 03:27.10 | markybob | abrotman, i wish everyone realized that :) |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | markybob: then they wouldn't get paid for anything :) |
| 03:27.35 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: it just sits at the "please purge the hotplug package" message doing nothing |
| 03:27.36 | geo-rge | you can have more success with employees if you teach them what they need to know |
| 03:27.45 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: sits there ? |
| 03:28.05 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: yes, it displays the messages and does nothing further. |
| 03:28.06 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: rerun `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade` |
| 03:28.41 | abrotman | geo-rge: that's fine .. unless they sit there and tell you they can do Y when they can't even get X going |
| 03:29.26 | abrotman | i don't want to go to the sixers game! |
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| 03:30.22 | inFw | How can I downgrade from testing to stable on a fresh-install? |
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| 03:30.27 | abrotman | you can't |
| 03:30.35 | inFw | :( |
| 03:30.45 | abrotman | why would you install etch if youw ant sarge ? |
| 03:31.44 | inFw | abrotman: I'm not the one installing it, otherwise I'd install sarge right away |
| 03:31.50 | abrotman | who is ? |
| 03:31.59 | abrotman | please tell me it's not a hosting company |
| 03:32.05 | inFw | er.. :| |
| 03:32.08 | inFw | Yes, it is. |
| 03:32.09 | markybob | please tell me which hosting company that is :) |
| 03:32.12 | markybob | i'll stay far away |
| 03:32.15 | inFw | lol |
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| 03:32.23 | inFw | not web hosting, no |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | inFw: you could use debootstrap to install sarge over etch |
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| 03:32.48 | inFw | I sense a but coming |
| 03:33.04 | abrotman | but i don't want to go to the sixers game |
| 03:33.10 | Guerin | do bios beep codes tend to vary wildly between motherboards? |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:33.26 | Guerin | seems sensible |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | it's actually silly |
| 03:34.01 | EdLin | well, you see, the beep codes are patented, so the specs can't be shared. |
| 03:34.05 | rahul | hmm, where are the pics from that party? |
| 03:34.12 | rahul | speaking of dancing between various things |
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| 03:35.33 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: better ? |
| 03:35.41 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: it's still going |
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| 03:35.49 | abrotman | but better than before ? |
| 03:35.57 | geo-rge | Guerin: individual manuals would document them... sometimes the variation is due to which bios |
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| 03:36.44 | Guerin | geo-rge: yeah, this manual lists some, but not all the codes |
| 03:36.45 | litage | in the output from ``apt-cache show PACKAGE'' , is "Size" the size of the .deb, and "Installed-Size" the amount of disk space the package takes up after installation? |
| 03:36.52 | Guerin | suspenc it has a nuked bios |
| 03:36.55 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: I was in the middle of saying it was still downloading when it finished downloading, started installing, and went immediately to the hotplug message. |
| 03:36.57 | Guerin | suspect, even |
| 03:37.06 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: same one ? or different ? |
| 03:37.14 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: same one... where it's sitting, frozen. |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: and if you try to purge it ? |
| 03:38.02 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: well I will have to kill this process first to try that... one sec |
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| 03:39.51 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: when I killed the udev update process showing the "purge hotplug" message it then continued with the upgrade in is going to town, I will try the purge when it finishes |
| 03:40.12 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
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| 03:41.45 | inFw | Thank you, gnight. |
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| 03:42.02 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: now it's really done... http://www.pastebin.ca/373964 |
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| 03:42.28 | abrotman | try the dist-upgrade again |
| 03:42.35 | enouf | Guerin: a couple of decent sites http://www.unicore.com/bioswiz/index2.html // http://www.wimsbios.com/ // http://bioscentral.com/ |
| 03:42.44 | enouf | er few |
| 03:42.51 | abrotman | !tell profpardal about wwer |
| 03:43.00 | danf_1979 | I'm getting this error on apt-get update |
| 03:43.01 | danf_1979 | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 03:43.10 | profpardal | when the final etch relase? stable? |
| 03:43.17 | danf_1979 | I searched a wiki on google, but the fix didn't work for me |
| 03:43.29 | danf_1979 | what can I do? |
| 03:43.29 | dondelelcaro | see zee topic. |
| 03:43.35 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: same message. I can do it with apt-get, though... http://www.pastebin.ca/373967 |
| 03:43.45 | geo-rge | see zee tee bee |
| 03:44.07 | profpardal | the date ... when? |
| 03:44.22 | dondelelcaro | !+apt-key A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 03:44.23 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 ; gpg --export A70DAF536070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:44.35 | enouf | danf_1979: use a daily or weekly .. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 |
| 03:44.42 | dondelelcaro | (after verifying that that key is of course a valid one.) |
| 03:44.43 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: apt-get install udev |
| 03:45.11 | enouf | dondelelcaro: or is the RC1 breakage unrelated? |
| 03:45.30 | dondelelcaro | enouf: since he's running apt-get update, it's different. |
| 03:45.31 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: complains about the missing aptitude dependancy... apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11? |
| 03:45.40 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ahhh .. ok |
| 03:45.52 | enouf | danf_1979: do what dondelelcaro said |
| 03:46.00 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: sure! |
| 03:46.57 | profpardal | where's the IRC Debian-br-cdd? |
| 03:47.02 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/373973 |
| 03:47.13 | danf_1979 | ok it worked, thanks! |
| 03:47.26 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: and apt-get -f install ? |
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| 03:47.58 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: tells me to purge hotplug and hangs. |
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| 03:48.37 | abrotman | and purging it goes back to the other error ? |
| 03:48.39 | profpardal | I don't find the debian-br-cdd I only speak protuguese |
| 03:48.47 | xCrueLx | yaf amma yardrdnz he :D |
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| 03:49.30 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: well I can't use aptitude anymore, I'll look up how to purge without it |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: dpkg -P <pkg> |
| 03:49.47 | enouf | keith80403: have you tried tzset and tzconfig? |
| 03:49.52 | abrotman | or apt-get --purge remove <pkg> |
| 03:50.02 | enouf | keith80403: view those man pages |
| 03:50.47 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: tells me i have unmet dependancies, and to try apt-get -f install |
| 03:51.03 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:51.17 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: apt-get update been done right ? |
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| 03:51.47 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: yep |
| 03:51.56 | MidgetSpy | although re-doing it now gives me an error |
| 03:52.04 | MidgetSpy | but i did it half an hour ago so it should be fine. |
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| 03:52.05 | abrotman | it does ? |
| 03:52.11 | chealer | is it normal that # ifup lo; takes several seconds to return? (first time after boot only) |
| 03:52.30 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: Your paste has been accepted an added to the database. You will be redirected to it momentarily. The URL for it is: |
| 03:52.30 | MidgetSpy | http://www.pastebin.ca/373981 |
| 03:52.33 | MidgetSpy | oops |
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| 03:52.50 | abrotman | my paste is on its way! |
| 03:52.51 | MidgetSpy | bad paste... anyway, ironically enough it tells me to apt-get update to fix the error |
| 03:53.07 | danf_1979 | Is there any difference between linux-image-k7 and linux-image-2.6-k7 ? |
| 03:53.17 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: hehe ... i suppose apt-get install debian-archive-keyring is out of the question ? |
| 03:53.27 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: might it be easier for me to download an iso and install etch overtop of this current mess? |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | what kind of fun is that ? |
| 03:53.46 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: what kind of fun is this? |
| 03:53.47 | chealer | danf_1979: well, the second doesn't depends on the first. not really right now |
| 03:53.55 | orkid | damn, mailman and exim3 and debian don't like each other |
| 03:54.00 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: i'm a very sick individual ... this sounds fun to me :) |
| 03:54.04 | danf_1979 | ok chealer thanks |
| 03:54.27 | geo-rge | orkid: why |
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| 03:54.43 | orkid | i dunno, just because |
| 03:54.44 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: ok well if you are willing to help me through it I'll keep plugging at it... what could possible be next, given that every command leads us back to itself? heh |
| 03:54.48 | orkid | plus the readme's are out of date... etc. |
| 03:55.02 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: i can help for a bit longer .. it's 11pm my time |
| 03:55.11 | orkid | i got them to work together, it's alright, but the readme's are outta date, and upgrading mailman thruogh the various versions created so much junk in my mailman folders |
| 03:55.29 | enouf | dondelelcaro: as a followup; I'm not so sure teh RC1 breakage is resolved yet (via using Daily/Weekly - atleast the Netinstaller) .. since watching the convo over in #debian-boot .. have you seen? |
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| 03:55.37 | geo-rge | orkid: maybe you could provide updated readmes |
| 03:55.49 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: well what do you recommend I do next? |
| 03:55.55 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: what happens if you try to install udev ? |
| 03:55.56 | MidgetSpy | (thx for all the help so far, btw) |
| 03:56.02 | enouf | dondelelcaro: IOW, the daily images may even be broken somewhat, or totally, can't make it out entirely |
| 03:56.09 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: um... what version of udev? like apt-get install udev? |
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| 03:56.15 | abrotman | yep |
| 03:56.34 | enouf | dondelelcaro: as far as the netinstaller is concerned (though businesscard may fall into that too) |
| 03:56.37 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: it shows me the "purge hotplug" message and hangs |
| 03:56.51 | abrotman | and apt-get --purge remove hotplug ? |
| 03:57.13 | MidgetSpy | unmet dependencies, try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 03:57.29 | MidgetSpy | (the unmet dependancies stem from udev) |
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| 03:57.58 | hark | enouf: the daily is broken as well, they confirmed that yesterday |
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| 03:58.16 | MidgetSpy | udev won't install until i purge hotplug, hotplug won't remove until I install udev. |
| 03:58.25 | abrotman | purge them both at once! |
| 03:58.32 | enouf | hark: wow ... yesterday :-) .. you must be +5 or 6 atleast from me |
| 03:58.47 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: you know what, instead of getting going on this partway when it's late there already, how about I just turn it off and I'll come back again later this week and try? |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: aw .. now i'm hurt |
| 03:59.04 | MidgetSpy | lol |
| 03:59.28 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: while i can't be 100% certain .. i think this happened because your sarge wasn't up to date |
| 04:00.00 | hark | enouf: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 04:00.04 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: purging them both at the same time fails because of the 2 other remaining dependancy errorors, which are because of udev |
| 04:00.13 | enouf | MidgetSpy: try dpkg -P hotplug , then the same for udev |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | enouf: he has |
| 04:00.19 | hark | enouf: yeah ;) |
| 04:00.21 | enouf | ok |
| 04:00.27 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: what are the other two ? |
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| 04:03.35 | enouf | abrotman: ask him/her to post output of dpkg -l hotplug | tail -1 and same for udev |
| 04:03.48 | abrotman | enouf: he's still here .. you can ask him :) |
| 04:04.12 | enouf | I'm curious if there's any funky nice code we can work with .. |
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| 04:04.25 | enouf | abrotman: well .. don't like stepping on toes |
| 04:04.34 | abrotman | enouf: not a problem .. my old tired butt is going to bed :) |
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| 04:04.49 | enouf | heh .. sleep well ... |
| 04:04.58 | romulo | hi whats the file i should set ENV vars so they can be set every time a console is opened? |
| 04:05.08 | abrotman | systemwide or just for you ? |
| 04:05.09 | dondelelcaro | romulo: depends on where you want them set. |
| 04:05.16 | romulo | gnome-terminal mainyl |
| 04:05.22 | enouf | litage: ever get an answer? |
| 04:05.23 | romulo | s/mainyl/mainly |
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| 04:05.33 | dondelelcaro | enouf: they're only broken if you're going to download stuff from the mirror. You don't actually have to do this on the netinst images. |
| 04:05.58 | dondelelcaro | (and the broken-ness is rather trivial to override and later fix) |
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| 04:06.41 | enouf | litage: I forget exactly .. but if you visit packages.debian.org and hunt down a pkg and compare the info you have from a apt-cache show{search} <pkgname> .. the info on the pkg page will tell you |
| 04:06.47 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: dpkg -P hotplug tells me that "dependency problems prevent removal of hotplug" (udev needs it) |
| 04:06.49 | XrMb2 | offtopic: let's say i've got a picture which is declared public - can i take it then and release it under a cc-licence? |
| 04:07.11 | MidgetSpy | abrotman: the other 2 are hal and initramfs-tools |
| 04:07.14 | enouf | dondelelcaro: hrmm .. so you must use only files from the cdrom entry in sources.list then? |
| 04:07.39 | abrotman | MidgetSpy: well .. you kind of need the last one :) |
| 04:07.59 | dondelelcaro | enouf: for the initial install; after that it doesn't matter. |
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| 04:08.38 | enouf | abrotman: actually i think initramfs-tools is mostly for etch and udev ... erm .. maybe I"m brainfarting again |
| 04:08.55 | enouf | dondelelcaro: I see .. thanks for the info |
| 04:09.23 | abrotman | his udev won't upgrade because his hotplug is installed and hotplug won't purge because udev needs it |
| 04:09.30 | abrotman | he coudl force the dep |
| 04:10.14 | dondelelcaro | and why can't he install udev and remove hotplug? |
| 04:10.15 | hatter | geez louise, i have had similar fun with udev, this udev concept is an advancement right ?> |
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| 04:10.27 | enouf | MidgetSpy: IIRC, udev can use hal, but it's not dependent AFAIK, and udev replaces hotplug .. so you want either hotplug (alone) .. or udev and hal (likely) if you want to use udev |
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| 04:10.31 | piper69 | debian sarge, i am using wired internet on eth0, i have a wireless internet and i would like to use it on this laptop, how can i install my pcmcia linksys wpc11 ver 4 |
| 04:10.32 | abrotman | udev whines that hotplug is installed |
| 04:10.45 | enouf | abrotman: udev shouldn't need hotplug |
| 04:10.48 | dondelelcaro | yeah, so apt-get install udev hotplut-; |
| 04:10.53 | dondelelcaro | s/ut/ug/ |
| 04:10.58 | abrotman | so let's try it! |
| 04:11.02 | abrotman | where'd MidgetSpy go? |
| 04:11.04 | hatter | i guess with these sort of discussions often we will all end up knowing the correct procedure |
| 04:11.11 | enouf | abrotman: are you open for suggestions yet :-) |
| 04:11.18 | abrotman | mmm .. pillow |
| 04:11.23 | hatter | !yawn |
| 04:11.23 | dpkg | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 04:11.25 | enouf | heh .. |
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| 04:13.07 | litage | enouf: yeah, someone in another channel gave me this url: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-binarycontrolfiles |
| 04:13.16 | enouf | I think s/he'll eventually have to do some manually moving of /var/lib/dpkg/status, and such .. dang .. or purging the aptitude cache or whatever |
| 04:13.32 | abrotman | that's okay .. aptitude is messed up :) |
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| 04:14.01 | enouf | litage: ok .. I could've looked it myself and told you too .. I just forget off the top of my braindwead head |
| 04:14.06 | piper69 | anyhelp please |
| 04:15.02 | litage | enouf: heh thanks |
| 04:15.20 | Gnea | piper69: what kernel? |
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| 04:15.29 | piper69 | Gnea: debian 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:15.39 | enouf | piper69: so you have a laptop with wired (eth0) that you're using now, and want to install a pcmcia card to be able to use wireless? |
| 04:15.50 | Gnea | piper69: you should add backports and get the latest 2.6 kernel |
| 04:15.53 | Gnea | !backports |
| 04:15.53 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 04:15.58 | enouf | piper69: ouch .. try cardctl |
| 04:16.00 | Gnea | piper69: the wireless support is better in 2.6 |
| 04:16.54 | Gnea | !wireless |
| 04:16.54 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 04:17.06 | piper69 | Gnea: how can i update it |
| 04:17.11 | enouf | you need atleast the pcmcia-cs package (or the replacement called pcmciautils) .. then you need the three modules loaded likely (yenta_socket, pcmcia_cs, pcmcia) IIRC |
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| 04:17.22 | Gnea | !tell piper69 about backports |
| 04:17.31 | Gnea | piper69: see what dpkg just msg'd you about |
| 04:17.36 | Rusty1 | piper69: giyfhttp://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to maybe helps |
| 04:17.56 | Gnea | piper69: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
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| 04:18.28 | enouf | piper69: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel .. as well |
| 04:18.55 | toraton | So, what does it mean if 'find' returns the location of a file, but when I 'cat' that file, it says no such file? |
| 04:19.04 | findme | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.06 | findme | !ndiswrapper |
| 04:19.07 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 04:19.14 | enouf | toraton: using full path? |
| 04:19.20 | toraton | enouf, Yes. |
| 04:19.26 | toraton | Something seems terribly broken. |
| 04:19.27 | enouf | toraton: to the file to cat? |
| 04:19.37 | enouf | toraton: try ls -al filename |
| 04:19.47 | toraton | root@lithedark:/usr/share# /bin/cat /usr/bin/javac |
| 04:19.47 | toraton | /bin/cat: /usr/bin/javac: No such file or directory |
| 04:20.01 | toraton | But find returned this |
| 04:20.02 | toraton | /usr/bin/javac |
| 04:20.14 | Guerin | toraton: don't use cat |
| 04:20.20 | Guerin | toraton: use ls -l |
| 04:20.32 | Guerin | or stat |
| 04:20.41 | toraton | Ah, I see it |
| 04:20.47 | toraton | Seems to link to /etc/alternatives/javac |
| 04:20.53 | hark | because of the alternatives.. |
| 04:20.54 | toraton | Which is a broken symbolic link. |
| 04:20.57 | Guerin | which doesn't exist |
| 04:20.58 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:21.13 | toraton | So, does the package sun-java5-jdk work? |
| 04:21.18 | toraton | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 04:21.22 | Guerin | !htfswk toraton |
| 04:21.22 | dpkg | toraton: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 04:21.43 | toraton | Guerin, Usually, a channel for a distribution knows which packages work/don't work |
| 04:21.45 | enouf | ahh .. Guerin in his lovely moods .. I think I'll take a seat ;-) |
| 04:21.51 | toraton | Maybe I should've joined #unhelpful |
| 04:21.53 | hark | toraton: try with update-alternatives --config java |
| 04:21.59 | Guerin | toraton: /msg dpkg java |
| 04:22.00 | toraton | hark, Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 04:22.06 | Guerin | toraton: it's barely on-topic here |
| 04:22.21 | hark | or javac |
| 04:22.28 | findme | !htf |
| 04:22.52 | toraton | hark, That helped a lot, thank you. |
| 04:23.09 | enouf | toraton: man update-alternatives .. and peak in /etc/alternatives .. use ls -al or -l, or stat to see if things are symlinks or not |
| 04:23.16 | toraton | Man, for a second I thought I'd asked a gentoo question or something. |
| 04:23.29 | enouf | !gentoosmite toraton |
| 04:23.40 | enouf | :-0 |
| 04:23.46 | toraton | haha. |
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| 04:26.51 | madd_matt | Hey, that 0.7% could be the difference between life and slower life! |
| 04:26.59 | toraton | I used to run Gentoo |
| 04:27.04 | toraton | Then I found the light that is debian |
| 04:27.33 | Guerin | i ran gentoo for a while, after debian |
| 04:27.37 | Guerin | it pained me |
| 04:27.39 | piper69 | Gnea: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 , should i change linux-image by something |
| 04:27.41 | madd_matt | I'm in the same boat. |
| 04:27.58 | concept10 | theres no other life than with using apt-get |
| 04:28.38 | enouf | piper69: add -686 on the end so 2.6-686 .. IIRC .. IF you have a pentium Pro or better and NOT a k6/k6-2 |
| 04:28.46 | concept10 | im about to apt-get me something to eat and after that apt-cache search my desk for some cigs |
| 04:28.58 | danf_1979 | heh, does openssh-server installs a startup script in /etc/init.d ? |
| 04:29.08 | danf_1979 | I rebooted :/ |
| 04:29.17 | Gnea | piper69: apt-cache search linux-image <-- should show you what's available |
| 04:29.21 | Gnea | gotta go, later |
| 04:29.49 | markybob | danf_1979, yes. /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 04:30.01 | concept10 | Does Sarge reliably upgrade from Woody? That's the only disk I have around and no cd/dvd burner |
| 04:30.10 | piper69 | enouf: E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:30.26 | enouf | piper69: it;'s called kernel-image |
| 04:30.28 | Guerin | piper69: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:30.33 | markybob | !woody->sarge |
| 04:30.33 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 04:30.47 | enouf | piper69: Only for Sarge kernel images .. it changed to linux-image in Etch |
| 04:31.02 | enouf | piper69: dpkg should've told you that |
| 04:31.28 | enouf | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 04:31.29 | dpkg | To install Linux 2.6 in Sarge, run # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH; but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific CPU. If you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <386> or <k7> etc. If you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf. This does not *upgrade* Linux, it keeps Linux 2.4. |
| 04:31.38 | enouf | piper69: ^^^ |
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| 04:35.41 | enouf | I know 'less' is not installed as default ('more' is) ..Can anyone tell me if gzip is as default base? I'm trying to ascertain if zless is always available (and bzless form pkg bzip2) without need for installing it .. |
| 04:35.57 | hark | zless is iirc |
| 04:35.58 | enouf | s/form/from |
| 04:36.06 | enouf | thanks hark |
| 04:36.20 | Guerin | gzip is since it's needed for .deb files |
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| 04:36.39 | enouf | Guerin: right ..ok , thanks .. |
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| 04:38.55 | vick | Hello. |
| 04:40.15 | vick | Most of the times there are wireless network and it doesn't get detect in linux. I've tried wifi-radar and kwifimanager. The interface seem to be there when i do ifconfig -a. When i try to press on "scan for wireless network" button, it takes short time, i doubt it's even scanning. Anybody know why might this be happening ? |
| 04:40.20 | vick | Using Debian "testing" |
| 04:40.36 | Guerin | vick: never use gui tools |
| 04:40.42 | Guerin | vick: use iwconfig and friends |
| 04:40.44 | vick | Guerin, They tell little |
| 04:40.46 | vick | heh. |
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| 04:44.30 | justin | vick: does iwlist scan work? |
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| 04:46.18 | vick | justin, Told me all interfaces doesn't support scanning |
| 04:46.45 | justin | vick: iwconfig? |
| 04:46.46 | vick | justin, and for eth2, it told me no such device |
| 04:46.58 | Guerin | vick: it has to be up |
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| 04:47.26 | vick | justin, told me for all interfaces no wireless extension, but for eth2 it gave some 802.11/b info |
| 04:47.35 | Guerin | bring it up with ifconfig |
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| 04:47.44 | vick | Guerin, says no such device |
| 04:47.59 | vick | Guerin, debian:~# ifconfig eth2 up, SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 04:48.18 | vick | Guerin, Tho eth2 does appear in ifconfig -a |
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| 04:48.49 | Guerin | vick: what card is it? |
| 04:48.57 | Guerin | vick: check dmesg for more info |
| 04:49.12 | EvilGlowingApple | Guerin: tried what you suggested earlier and installed debian-archive-keyring, but it was already up to date. Had to run apt-key update && apt-get update && ... continue with installer... and now it looks like it's working. Was missing one gpg key before, even with the most updated keyring, so likely that's what was holding up the installer |
| 04:49.34 | Guerin | EvilGlowingApple: yes, it's a known error, but I thought it was fixed in the dailies. |
| 04:49.57 | vick | Guerin, bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed., bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2) |
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| 04:50.16 | enouf | vick: have you looked at your udev rules .. specifically the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules file and friends? .. also see /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html , and check all the if-preup.d/if-postup.d stuff in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:51.28 | hark | EvilGlowingApple: yes, that's a known issue |
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| 04:52.07 | enouf | vick: correction |
| 04:52.09 | enouf | :/etc/network$ ls |
| 04:52.09 | enouf | if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d interfaces options run |
| 04:52.13 | hark | vick: get the firmware then. |
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| 04:52.48 | crazy_penguin | Good morning! |
| 04:52.50 | kelsin | vick: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=467164 |
| 04:53.04 | kelsin | vick: that sounds like what you need, just googled for that error you just posted |
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| 04:54.07 | hark | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:54.14 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:006-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 04:54.42 | enouf | Guerin: the Dailies are temp broken (the netinstaller atleast), which can only be worked around , as dondelelcaro just told me/us, by not adding any mirrors during the *Initial installation*.. then after one can use mirrors for apt-get |
| 04:55.05 | hark | as were the rc1's |
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| 04:56.00 | theblue | What's the release schedule for RC2 look like? |
| 04:56.02 | enouf | hark: yes andd no .. a slightly different issue . IINM .. that had to do with a certain key be "expired" (or an ftpmaster inadvertantly uploaded as Sid key or somesuch) |
| 04:56.07 | theblue | A week? |
| 04:56.15 | enouf | s/be/being |
| 04:56.35 | theblue | enouf, So can't the ftpmaster rollback the key? |
| 04:57.03 | hark | enouf: the same fix. install the base and manually install the rest |
| 04:57.16 | enouf | theblue: not that easy .. and likely not the real issue ... maybe more here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 |
| 04:57.16 | theblue | !info upslug2 |
| 04:57.23 | dpkg | upslug2: (utility to upgrade the firmware of a LinkSys NSLU2 via the network), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 04:57.27 | theblue | Yes, I know. |
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| 04:57.31 | enouf | hark: hrm .. right .. |
| 04:57.40 | sid | How can I connect to a router with WPA enabled? |
| 04:57.57 | sid | ifconfig ath0 down; ifconfig eth0 down; iwconfig ath0 essid "MyPlace"; iwconfig ath0 key 96460?????; ifconfig ath0 up; dhclient ath0; |
| 04:57.58 | theblue | The problem is, I'm trying to install Debian on my NSLU2, and there's no way to add the key in. |
| 04:58.00 | sid | That doesn't work. |
| 04:58.08 | sid | I have wpasupplicant installed. |
| 04:58.16 | theblue | Unless someone knows of the daily snapshot for the NSLU2. |
| 04:58.23 | enouf | hark: right .. so the temp Fix is the same .. yes indeed .. thanks |
| 04:59.42 | dewbie | Hi all |
| 04:59.46 | hark | [26 Feb 2007] Installations will fail due to a missing archive signing key. A fix for this has been uploaded, but won't reach etch for a day or two. A workaround is to pass "debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" when booting the installer |
| 05:00.00 | chealer | theblue: it mostly looks like after sid's linux-2.6 migrates to etch |
| 05:00.08 | theblue | hark, Oh thank you! |
| 05:00.19 | theblue | chealer, When would that be around? |
| 05:00.29 | hark | if that is indeed it |
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| 05:00.43 | theblue | hark, Where'd you find that? |
| 05:01.11 | hark | theblue: here.. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 05:01.13 | theblue | OOO! |
| 05:01.14 | theblue | Thanks! |
| 05:01.52 | theblue | How do I pass that over SSH? |
| 05:02.06 | theblue | Since I just SSH into my NSLU2 using installer/install as the user/pass pair. |
| 05:02.16 | theblue | And then it gives me the option to use the installer or drop to ash. |
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| 05:02.53 | enouf | theblue: are you using preseed? |
| 05:03.03 | theblue | enouf, Huh? |
| 05:03.15 | theblue | enouf, I guess not. |
| 05:03.34 | enouf | theblue: ok .. nm .. |
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| 05:04.05 | theblue | enouf, But would it be possible for me to use ash to restart the installer using that option? |
| 05:04.13 | chealer | theblue: apparently when appropriate hinting is done |
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| 05:04.17 | theblue | Probably in /bin? |
| 05:04.28 | theblue | chealer, ? |
| 05:05.00 | enouf | hark: hehe .. I had to reload the damn page .. no wonder it wasn;t showing anything for the 27th |
| 05:05.15 | chealer | theblue: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 looks like linux-modules-extra is needs to be hinted with linux-2.6 |
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| 05:05.40 | theblue | chealer, How does that affect me, though? |
| 05:05.55 | wormak | is racoon roadwarrior a software by itself or is it just a way of configuring racoon to handle clients with dynamic IPs? |
| 05:06.13 | chealer | theblue: I thought you were asking when sid's linux-2.6 would transition? |
| 05:06.28 | enouf | theblue: I don;t know .. sorry .. you can try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .. or perhaps even using debootstrap? |
| 05:07.32 | wormak | anyone using racoon for vpn? |
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| 05:08.36 | hark | enouf: heh, that's what they said to do so over at #debian-boot |
| 05:08.51 | hark | (the reload page thing) |
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| 05:09.02 | theblue | chealer, Ah, thanks. |
| 05:09.11 | theblue | enouf, Ok, thanks for the advice. |
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| 05:16.55 | enouf | theblue: just a wild-assed guess .. but this http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/oldsys-preseed/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 Last top entry on the Feb 26 .. doesn't concern you right? |
| 05:17.13 | enouf | s/on// |
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| 05:17.52 | enouf | erm s//on/ and s/the// .. duh |
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| 05:20.31 | knowall | what utilities to use to monitor the activities of a webserver? |
| 05:20.44 | Guerin | knowall: i recommend grep |
| 05:21.11 | knowall | Guerin, grep is the grab characters. |
| 05:21.14 | dewbie | Does anyone here know a command to reinstall all packages, or fix all broken packages? |
| 05:21.28 | Guerin | knowall: yes! |
| 05:21.31 | ApEtc | knowall: You could grep the logs. |
| 05:21.37 | Guerin | dewbie: aptitude -f install |
| 05:21.46 | knowall | that is primitive. |
| 05:22.00 | ApEtc | knowall: Get a REALLY good perl book. :) |
| 05:22.08 | Guerin | knowall: your question was vague, so you got a very generic answer |
| 05:22.17 | Guerin | knowall: it depends what you want to know |
| 05:22.31 | knowall | something with a gui, i remember a package that starts with r. |
| 05:22.38 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:22.45 | knowall | FU |
| 05:22.52 | Guerin | knowall: what do you actually want to know? |
| 05:22.53 | hark | ooh that's helpful |
| 05:22.56 | knowall | gfy |
| 05:23.14 | Guerin | @fuck knowall |
| 05:23.41 | knowall | Guerin, ravenbird, fyi. |
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| 05:23.57 | Guerin | for our information? |
| 05:24.02 | Guerin | there's a comeback |
| 05:24.09 | knowall | Guerin, fucking you incessantly. :D |
| 05:24.13 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:24.17 | dewbie | Guerin: Command not found. |
| 05:24.32 | Guerin | dewbie: no aptitude? |
| 05:24.39 | Guerin | dewbie: apt-get -f install might work |
| 05:24.54 | dewbie | Guerin: I am usind Damn Small Linux on a 233mhz laptop. |
| 05:24.56 | knowall | Guerin, i don't know what i want to know, so something that will report as much as possible. |
| 05:25.08 | Guerin | dewbie: so ask the damnsmalleejits |
| 05:25.19 | Guerin | knowall: grep wioll report *everything* |
| 05:25.29 | dewbie | Guerin: Dead channel. |
| 05:25.48 | Guerin | knowall: but you need to be more specific: you want to know server load detail? Or where your hits are from? or ...? |
| 05:25.59 | Guerin | dewbie: sucks to be using an unsupported distro. |
| 05:26.24 | dewbie | Guerin: Indeed. |
| 05:26.24 | knowall | Guerin, ok, how many hits, their origins, that would be a good start. |
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| 05:26.32 | Guerin | knowall: something like awstats/webalizer |
| 05:26.41 | Guerin | knowall: for more generic stuff mrtg |
| 05:26.45 | hark | remstats? |
| 05:26.49 | Guerin | maybe also look at cacti, snmp |
| 05:26.52 | knowall | Guerin, now we are talking. |
| 05:26.54 | Guerin | never heard of it |
| 05:27.22 | hark | that starts with an r ;) |
| 05:27.46 | Guerin | can't argue with that |
| 05:27.49 | x3n0 | any hints for configuring beryl? |
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| 05:28.11 | Guerin | x3n0: `google' |
| 05:28.18 | enouf | knowall: try apt-cache show etherape .. fwiw |
| 05:28.19 | Guerin | best hint you'll ever get |
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| 05:29.02 | x3n0 | yup it didn't help too much |
| 05:29.06 | hark | x3n0: tried #beryl? |
| 05:29.14 | x3n0 | as i have weird setup...? |
| 05:29.15 | Guerin | x3n0: then i guess you're just doomed to not run beryl |
| 05:29.35 | enouf | x3n0: iirc, beryl.org has a section for debian.. |
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| 05:30.04 | x3n0 | hmm |
| 05:30.15 | encrypt | if i have a file with lots of lines and i want make all lines just one line, separating with comma.. how would i do? |
| 05:30.37 | knowall | enouf, what's fwiw? |
| 05:30.43 | hark | !fwiw |
| 05:30.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 05:30.46 | enouf | !fwiw |
| 05:30.52 | enouf | ouch ;-P |
| 05:31.21 | Guerin | encrypt: tr '\n' ',' < file > newfile |
| 05:31.30 | hark | encrypt: use tr, replace the newline with a comma |
| 05:31.32 | Guerin | encrypt: presuming \n line terminators |
| 05:31.39 | encrypt | thanks |
| 05:31.39 | knowall | enouf, a four letter word that starts with 'f' is always looks suspicious. :D |
| 05:31.41 | encrypt | ! |
| 05:31.58 | enouf | knowall: mind .. meet gutter .. heh |
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| 05:32.10 | hark | ftw |
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| 05:32.30 | enouf | knowall: try jfgi :-) |
| 05:32.40 | x3n0 | doesn't look like theres much chance of beryl on my laptop :( |
| 05:33.05 | hark | x3n0: how weird of a setup? |
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| 05:35.04 | x3n0 | kernel 2.6.19 | ati readeon mobility 9600(m10) |
| 05:35.07 | knowall | enouf, you know many four letter words that start with 'f'. :D |
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| 05:36.25 | hark | x3n0: try compiz.. it's in debian and the free radeon drivers should do.. |
| 05:36.30 | knowall | hey, packages i have installed never appears in in kde menu. what's wrong? |
| 05:37.09 | x3n0 | running readeon drivers, so i can use AIGLX for basic compositing |
| 05:37.28 | hark | x3n0: you're running etch, right? |
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| 05:37.35 | x3n0 | sid |
| 05:37.40 | hark | well, ok |
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| 05:37.43 | x3n0 | well |
| 05:37.52 | netdaemon | ah, how do i blacklist modules? |
| 05:37.52 | x3n0 | bit of a mix |
| 05:37.56 | stoned | folk, felt, font, fake, flux, find, fate |
| 05:37.59 | Guerin | netdaemon: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 05:38.04 | stoned | knowall: there are lots of em |
| 05:38.06 | rahul | fee fi fo fum |
| 05:38.12 | hark | just add the composite section to your xorg.conf, install compiz and you're set |
| 05:38.15 | netdaemon | ty Guerin |
| 05:38.20 | Guerin | funk! |
| 05:38.24 | hark | fool |
| 05:38.30 | stoned | fool! |
| 05:38.36 | stoned | jinx |
| 05:38.49 | rahul | zoof |
| 05:39.05 | knowall | forked |
| 05:39.06 | rahul | wow, he's actually here |
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| 05:39.11 | rahul | !penixstrike fooz |
| 05:39.12 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking fooz to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:39.12 | x3n0 | i have |
| 05:39.22 | x3n0 | not with compiz though |
| 05:39.44 | x3n0 | basically the same (ish) ? |
| 05:40.00 | netdaemon | Guerin, that applies for etch also? |
| 05:40.21 | hark | x3n0: read the debian wiki stuff on Compiz |
| 05:40.24 | netdaemon | wait, nm |
| 05:40.26 | Guerin | if you'ev heard ColdKrushCuts, there's a good definition thereupon of `funk' |
| 05:40.31 | Guerin | netdaemon: yesh |
| 05:40.49 | netdaemon | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.50 | x3n0 | will do |
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| 05:42.24 | danf_1979 | Is this ok if I have /boot in /dev/sda5 ? (only one disk) |
| 05:42.25 | danf_1979 | root (hd0,4) |
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| 05:46.01 | knowall | mrtg doesn't output anything useful in /var/www/mrtg. |
| 05:47.22 | knowall | only .png of the logo. |
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| 05:48.33 | enouf | danf_1979: yes .. grub sees (hd0,4) as 1st HDD, 5th partition |
| 05:48.35 | Quintin | I wouldn't listen to Guerin--he doesn't even have wobbly windows. :\ |
| 05:49.10 | orkid | counting starts at 0 |
| 05:49.11 | enouf | with blinds? |
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| 05:49.34 | Crypticfortune | danf_1979: i think so. i know that some systems have issues booting off of partitions beyond the 1gb point, but i think most modern systems are ok |
| 05:49.35 | knowall | is it easy to implement vpn in debian? |
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| 05:50.03 | rahul | counting starts at -1 |
| 05:50.04 | Quintin | Didn't they teach you to count from 0 in kindergarten? |
| 05:50.18 | enouf | only in arabia |
| 05:50.27 | rahul | psht |
| 05:50.28 | knowall | Quintin, 0 is only a place-holder. |
| 05:50.31 | knowall | not a value. |
| 05:50.34 | rahul | the arabs learned it from the indians |
| 05:50.39 | enouf | it's two braces {} |
| 05:50.48 | Suprano | i found a bug |
| 05:50.59 | rahul | I found a rat |
| 05:50.59 | enouf | with a nice rear end :P |
| 05:51.02 | Crypticfortune | knowall: relatively easy |
| 05:51.09 | magyar | i keep getting these while tcpdump-ing >> http://pastebin.ca/374058 |
| 05:51.16 | Suprano | for some reason, debian splits up some arguments wrong |
| 05:51.18 | Quintin | Suprano: report it? |
| 05:51.21 | Quintin | !info reportbug |
| 05:51.22 | knowall | indians learn about 0 and 1 by looking at their arseholes and dicks. |
| 05:51.24 | Quintin | !reportbug |
| 05:51.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 05:51.29 | dpkg | reportbug: (reports bugs in the Debian distribution), section utils, is standard. Version: 3.33 (sid), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 05:51.33 | Suprano | Quintin first i make sure its really a bug |
| 05:51.43 | Quintin | Suprano: that's usually a good idea |
| 05:51.52 | Suprano | thats why i am describing it right now |
| 05:51.58 | Suprano | if you let me continue |
| 05:52.02 | danf_1979 | Ok thanks Crypticfortune and enouf |
| 05:52.10 | Quintin | I wait with baited breath |
| 05:52.37 | Suprano | there is a executeable file, the first line of that file is #!/usr/local/pike/7.6.86/bin/pike -M /usr/local/scriptrunner/lib -P /usr/local/scriptrunner/lib |
| 05:52.44 | enouf | Suprano: can you sing us an aria about it? |
| 05:52.50 | Suprano | sure |
| 05:52.53 | knowall | Crypticfortune, firstly, which protocol to use? |
| 05:52.57 | enouf | gracias ;-) |
| 05:53.14 | Suprano | now if i execute that file, the execution fails |
| 05:53.40 | enouf | capt pike? from start trek? |
| 05:54.09 | Suprano | because the parameter master()->_main(({"/usr/local/pike/7.6.86/bin/pike","-M/usr/local/scriptrunner/lib -P/usr/local/scriptrunner/lib",,,0}) are splitten wrong.. needs to be "-M/usr/local/scriptrunner/lib", "-P/usr/local/scriptrunner/lib" |
| 05:54.21 | Crypticfortune | knowall: whichever works for you. i have to use tcp because of my lab's firewall.... |
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| 05:54.50 | Suprano | so what ever interpretes the line #!/usr/local/pike/7.6.86/bin/pike -M /usr/local/scriptrunner/lib -P /usr/local/scriptrunner/lib does a bad job |
| 05:54.56 | x3n0 | aaarrgg! |
| 05:55.17 | Suprano | running /usr/local/pike/7.6.86/bin/pike -M /usr/local/scriptrunner/lib -P /usr/local/scriptrunner/lib filename works fine |
| 05:55.35 | knowall | Crypticfortune, you heard of racoon, i have been reading up about it. it is supposedly better than openswan. |
| 05:56.29 | Suprano | so, is this my dumbness or is it a bug ? |
| 05:56.34 | enouf | Suprano: tried #bash ? |
| 05:56.39 | Crypticfortune | knowall: never heard of it |
| 05:56.59 | Suprano | enouf i tryed the same in zsh |
| 05:57.07 | Suprano | to proof that its not the shells fault |
| 05:57.14 | x3n0 | is there anyway of viewing the output of bash after X freezes up? |
| 05:57.37 | enouf | Suprano: just because it's consisten across two shells doesn't conclude that |
| 05:57.48 | Crypticfortune | x3n0: what output? |
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| 05:58.56 | vick | bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed., bcm43xx: core_up for active 802.11 core failed (-2) |
| 05:58.56 | x3n0 | wanted to see the result of beryl failing |
| 05:58.56 | Suprano | ok i disturb the bash guys |
| 05:58.56 | vick | Does this mean a module is not there ? Or this module has something wrong ? |
| 05:59.09 | knowall | Crypticfortune, up this up in the web: vpn for Windows client.html. It is a Debian Admin doc. |
| 05:59.19 | enouf | Suprano: I know most nothing, but I recall something in bash about needing to quote variables a certain way to get "var1" "var2", rather than "var1 var2" .. but i'm burnt .. |
| 05:59.19 | knowall | i mean look this up. |
| 05:59.20 | Crypticfortune | x3n0: wouldnt that stuff be in /var/log/Xorg? |
| 05:59.38 | x3n0 | and though the output from 'beryl --replace &' might give a clue as to why it fails |
| 06:00.00 | enouf | vick: is the firmware in /lib/firmware ? |
| 06:00.41 | vick | enouf, There is nothing within that directory. |
| 06:00.49 | enouf | vick: the bcm43xx_firmware pkg installed |
| 06:00.53 | enouf | ? |
| 06:01.20 | Crypticfortune | x3n0: i havent gotten beryl going yet so i dont really know how it works, but if you're doing it from a bash shell, you could try redirecting the output to a file or something? (ie: beryl --replace &> /tmp/myerrors &) |
| 06:01.28 | vick | enouf, i found no package with that name in repos |
| 06:01.50 | x3n0 | spam |
| 06:01.50 | vick | enouf, there is only bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 06:01.53 | enouf | vick: bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 06:02.08 | vick | enouf, No it isn't, hold on, installing now. |
| 06:02.36 | enouf | vick: realize. I'm only guessing :-) .. butthat error would seem you need that .. to me atleast |
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| 06:02.45 | x3n0 | why didn't i think of that first! i knew it would fall over but thought i'd have time to skim though |
| 06:02.54 | vick | enouf, heh. |
| 06:03.18 | vick | enouf, i don't think so that this package would solve the problem |
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| 06:03.29 | vick | enouf, since i've read it's description, i could be wrong tho |
| 06:03.47 | x3n0 | i'm an official X murderer! about to strike again! |
| 06:03.50 | x3n0 | :) |
| 06:04.02 | x3n0 | brb hopefully! |
| 06:04.17 | enouf | vick: microcode and .fw implies firmware o me |
| 06:04.21 | DavidProck1981 | any one know of any TV-Tuners that fully fork for Debian Etch, and easy to setup / install |
| 06:04.23 | enouf | s/o/to |
| 06:04.31 | vick | enouf, i did a modprob eth2 afterward, ifconfig eth2 up still gives an error tho. |
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| 06:04.41 | DavidProck1981 | *work |
| 06:05.11 | vick | oh i need to run something from this package |
| 06:05.11 | enouf | vick: did you check into those udev rules/files and if-pre-up.d dirs? |
| 06:05.31 | enouf | vick: you don't modprobe an interface |
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| 06:06.15 | vick | enouf, bcm43xx is a module ? |
| 06:06.34 | netdaemon | yes |
| 06:06.37 | enouf | vick: modprobe -l bcm .. and see |
| 06:07.15 | DavidProck1981 | any one know of any TV-Tuners that fully work for Debian Etch, and easy to setup / install |
| 06:07.37 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: most of the haupauge ones do |
| 06:07.39 | valdyn | !hcl |
| 06:07.40 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 06:08.08 | enouf | vick: but yes.. generally, that's a module name .. man modprobe, look at man modinfo |
| 06:08.18 | x3n0 | Crypticfortune: makes sense i guess? |
| 06:08.29 | vick | enouf, eth2 gives an error still |
| 06:09.20 | Crypticfortune | x3n0: what makes sense? |
| 06:09.21 | enouf | vick: i'm not too good with these wireless things .. |
| 06:10.25 | vick | enouf, thanks a lot anyway :D |
| 06:10.52 | enouf | heh .. keep trying .. you'll get it .. checkout wiki.debian.org perhaps |
| 06:11.03 | MidgetSpy | enouf: do you have some time to help me continue to figure out this issue I started with abrotman? (with the udev -> hotplug dependancy circles) |
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| 06:11.17 | enouf | MidgetSpy: sure .. I'll try .. |
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| 06:12.39 | enouf | MidgetSpy: pastebin the output of this; dpkg -l hotplug hal udev dbus |
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| 06:13.07 | yos87 | Hi |
| 06:13.32 | MidgetSpy | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/374065 |
| 06:14.15 | g333k_laptop | hi,if I created a rar file with winrar in windows, Can I extract that file in linux? |
| 06:14.18 | yos87 | I have question, How to know other IP address when Chatting? |
| 06:14.21 | x3n0 | stdio failed to write the whole log |
| 06:15.15 | MidgetSpy | g333k_laptop: sure, apt-get install unrar |
| 06:15.24 | enouf | MidgetSpy: apt-get install --reinstall hal |
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| 06:16.13 | g333k_laptop | MidgetSpy, ok |
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| 06:16.22 | MidgetSpy | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/374067 |
| 06:16.40 | enouf | g333k_laptop: there's a free rar IIRC and an unfree rar .. or is that zip? |
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| 06:17.21 | MidgetSpy | hmm yeah, apt-get install unrar-free for the free one |
| 06:17.40 | CGI873 | list |
| 06:17.53 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok .. let's try it with the -f option .. apt-get -f install hal |
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| 06:18.13 | MidgetSpy | enouf: same thing |
| 06:19.08 | enouf | MidgetSpy: g333k_laptop if there is a non-free version, yuou'd need 'contrib non-free' appended to your main sources.list mirrors |
| 06:20.23 | enouf | MidgetSpy: hrm .. there's all kinds of fix-dependency options .. I'm trying to think of them (and scanning the man pages) .. Do you have ANY etch, or testing repos listed in /etc/apt/sources.list ? or ALL are sarge or stable entries? |
| 06:20.54 | MidgetSpy | enouf: they are all etch sources |
| 06:21.03 | enouf | MidgetSpy: since when ? |
| 06:21.16 | MidgetSpy | enouf: since I started this process a few weeks ago |
| 06:21.21 | enouf | hehe |
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| 06:21.43 | MidgetSpy | they were sarge unstable before that (since install) |
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| 06:22.44 | enouf | MidgetSpy: for shits and giggles .. please comment out all except one of those .. and change the one non-commented back to sarge |
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| 06:22.52 | g333k_laptop | enouf, I have the non-free version :p |
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| 06:23.24 | MidgetSpy | um... leave one like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 06:23.24 | enouf | w00t! |
| 06:23.33 | enouf | MidgetSpy: yep |
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| 06:24.20 | MidgetSpy | enouf: and comment all of the security ones as well or leave one as sarge? |
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| 06:25.32 | enouf | MidgetSpy: leave one as sarge |
| 06:25.45 | MidgetSpy | enouf: ok, and now that I changed them, what should I try? |
| 06:25.50 | enouf | MidgetSpy: apt-get clean |
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| 06:26.28 | MidgetSpy | no apt-get update first? |
| 06:26.39 | enouf | MidgetSpy: nope |
| 06:26.51 | MidgetSpy | ok, it's done |
| 06:27.02 | enouf | Ok .. |
| 06:27.28 | enouf | MidgetSpy: now try a apt-get install hotplug |
| 06:28.09 | MidgetSpy | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/374074 |
| 06:28.11 | nangruto | what does 'rc' means when i do 'dpkg -l' |
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| 06:28.45 | enouf | nan Removed, Config files still exist |
| 06:28.50 | enouf | nangruto: ^^ |
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| 06:29.53 | cwheeler | i'm trying to find the debian unsupported repository |
| 06:30.04 | enouf | MidgetSpy: try apt-get update && apt-get --purge remove udev |
| 06:30.15 | nangruto | enouf, how can i removed that thing ? |
| 06:30.48 | enouf | nangruto: apt-get --purge remove <pkgname> .. or try dpkg -P <pkgname> |
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| 06:32.05 | MidgetSpy | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/374076 |
| 06:32.11 | MidgetSpy | lol |
| 06:32.55 | nangruto | enouf, i did rm the .deb file |
| 06:33.16 | enouf | crap .. you alrady have debian-archive-keyring installed? .. I don;t think sarge even uses it |
| 06:33.28 | nangruto | :D |
| 06:33.56 | MidgetSpy | enouf: I have whatever apt-get dist-upgrade gave me before it died trying to update udev |
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| 06:34.47 | enouf | MidgetSpy: try apt-get --purge remove debian-archive-keyring .. it likely "died", because you rebooted withOUT first removing hotplug as it tells you to .. but perhaps not |
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| 06:35.18 | MidgetSpy | enouf: no it wasn't telling me to remove hotplug initially, it told me it couldn't/wouldn't install udev because my kernel version was too old |
| 06:35.24 | MidgetSpy | which was where I started with abrotman tonight |
| 06:36.12 | MidgetSpy | enouf: apt-get --purge remove debian-archive-keyring quits because of dependancy errors (same ones i pasted above) |
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| 06:36.40 | enouf | MidgetSpy: an apt-get upgrade would/should handle all of that ... and udev .5xx whatever can co-exist on sarge alongside hotplug ... but the .6xx and up I think cannot |
| 06:37.14 | rahul | try aptitude. |
| 06:37.38 | enouf | MidgetSpy: but yeah .. nothaving the kernel "meta-package" (kernel-image-2.6-386{686}) installed may have contributed |
| 06:37.48 | MidgetSpy | enouf: i wish... i followed the instructions i got from this channel originally, they didn't work, and now I'm trying to fix what's happened, heh |
| 06:37.55 | MidgetSpy | enouf: yes that could have been it - though I have it now |
| 06:38.48 | enouf | MidgetSpy: dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 .. or whatever your newer version is |
| 06:39.55 | MidgetSpy | enouf: done |
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| 06:40.23 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok .. how's that removing keyring doing? oh wait a sec |
| 06:43.03 | MidgetSpy | (should I be waiting or removing keyring?) |
| 06:44.07 | enouf | MidgetSpy: mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/oldcrap ; mv /var/lib/apt/lists/* /var/lib/apt/lists/oldcrap |
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| 06:45.15 | MidgetSpy | that didn't work but I'll put it somewhere else |
| 06:45.39 | MidgetSpy | ok, done |
| 06:45.40 | enouf | MidgetSpy: well you may need to not do it as one command sparated via : |
| 06:45.47 | enouf | erm a ; |
| 06:46.06 | enouf | MidgetSpy: where'd you put it? so we know ;-) |
| 06:46.11 | enouf | In case ;-0 |
| 06:46.42 | MidgetSpy | no it was complaining about moving a directory to a subdirectory of itself... I put it in /root/oldaptlists/ |
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| 06:47.11 | enouf | hrm .. ok .. |
| 06:47.30 | enouf | MidgetSpy: try apt-get update && apt-get --purge remove udev |
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| 06:47.54 | MidgetSpy | E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
| 06:48.09 | Quintin | goodnight |
| 06:48.17 | solid_liq | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:48.22 | solid_liq | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 06:48.22 | solid_liq | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 06:49.07 | hark | !available |
| 06:49.08 | enouf | MidgetSpy: hrm .. hold another sec |
| 06:49.08 | dpkg | available is, like, run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 06:49.43 | solid_liq | hark: thanks! |
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| 06:50.37 | Skept | hi, how to make apt-get download the file's, rather than install them? |
| 06:50.39 | MidgetSpy | enouf: if I were to dl the net-inst installer and burn it to a CD, could I just install etch overtop of this install but leave my old /home dir? |
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| 06:51.03 | hark | Skept: man apt-get |
| 06:51.10 | enouf | MidgetSpy: mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
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| 06:51.30 | enouf | MidgetSpy: you'd have to make a backup of /home |
| 06:51.34 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 06:51.46 | pinx | when I create a master zonefile for a subdomain, dig still reports the information on teh domain, not the sub-domain. Is that right? |
| 06:52.01 | Ramattack | could be any problem defining a file system with more number of inodes than default and the file system to be ext3? |
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| 06:52.27 | enouf | MidgetSpy: which can be as easy as cp -a /home/* /some/other/partition |
| 06:52.43 | solid_liq | dpkg: diversions file has too-long line or EOF [ii] |
| 06:52.43 | solid_liq | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 06:52.54 | solid_liq | !diversions |
| 06:52.54 | Crypticfortune | question: so im trying to mount an nfs drive in such a way that "ls" correctly shows japanese file names, but mount nfs doesnt seem to support iocharset stuff. what should i do? |
| 06:53.11 | MidgetSpy | enouf: well I only have 2 partitions, / and /home, but could I tell the installer manually to use hda6 (or whatever it is) as /home and leave it alone? |
| 06:53.36 | MidgetSpy | enouf: i created the directory, now try apt-get update again? |
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| 06:54.14 | solid_liq | anyone know how to fix my diversions file problem? |
| 06:54.26 | Ramattack | could anybody know this please? |
| 06:54.29 | enouf | MidgetSpy: I suppose so .. yes.. if /home is already a separate partition yes |
| 06:54.37 | enouf | MidgetSpy: try apt-get update && apt-get --purge remove udev |
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| 06:55.42 | Crypticfortune | Ramattack: i can't imagine why that would be a problem... |
| 06:56.09 | enouf | MidgetSpy: I would seriouslt consider OTHER forms of backup as well .. just in case .. you can never have too many .. and i don't want to be responsible .. I can tell you how tpo burn DVDs from the CLI ;-) |
| 06:56.10 | Crypticfortune | Ramattack: (as long as it's less than the maximum number) |
| 06:56.23 | x3n0 | back with the beryl issue |
| 06:56.30 | MidgetSpy | enouf: same GPG error about keyring |
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| 06:56.37 | enouf | MidgetSpy: oh wait .. maybe not .. you can NOT install anything .. DOH! |
| 06:56.59 | enouf | MidgetSpy: CDs perhaps, if you have a few apps already |
| 06:57.33 | enouf | MidgetSpy: try apt-get --purge remove debian-archive-keyring .. wtf .. why not |
| 06:57.39 | Ramattack | crypticfortune.... well runing out of inodes is quite a problem and if you have more than hald disk empty is more problem... it doesn't happen to me... but could I assume for using maildir... |
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| 06:57.52 | MidgetSpy | enouf: wait, what? I can NOT install anything? I'm so confused... heh |
| 06:58.20 | x3n0 | do you think that booting into knoppix 5.1.1 copying the xorg.conf may help establish the correct .conf to run beryl? |
| 06:58.21 | enouf | I know .. ub-a-duh as I say ;-P |
| 06:58.24 | Ramattack | and wanted to know well the way to defining partitions more convenient for avoiding runing out of inodes on maildir format... or wich filesystem should use... |
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| 06:58.49 | MidgetSpy | enouf: apt-get --purge remove debian-archive-keyring ==> unmet dependencies (same ones as before, apt, hal, initramfs-tools, and udev) |
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| 06:59.30 | Ramattack | or if is there any problem when creating ext3 partition defining huge number of inodes.... |
| 06:59.32 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok .. lets go back to trying an update && upgrade with the etch repos .. I'm outs ideas from this angle |
| 07:00.20 | piper69 | enouf: now i have Linux debian 2.6.8-3-686 is it possable i can upgrade this to etch? |
| 07:00.59 | enouf | MidgetSpy: if /var/lib/apt/lists/ got repopulated again, you can delete those files .. then change sources.list back to Etch , and still leave only one repo uncommented though |
| 07:01.08 | enouf | piper69: sure |
| 07:01.34 | piper69 | enouf: how can i do that please |
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| 07:01.38 | enouf | piper69: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 07:01.58 | solid_liq | anyone know when the 64 bit supported version of debian will be out? |
| 07:02.19 | enouf | piper69: try use apt-get -s dist-upgrade 1st |
| 07:02.40 | enouf | piper69: did I catch you in time? |
| 07:02.44 | WuPeak | could someone tell me, why i can't login using mysqladmin -u root password myPass? it works great with phpmyadmin. |
| 07:02.44 | MidgetSpy | ok, cleared the list file, changed my sources back (i was only using 1 mirror anyway) and doing apt-get update again |
| 07:02.52 | piper69 | enouf: too late now |
| 07:02.54 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok |
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| 07:03.02 | enouf | piper69: HANG ON! .. :-P |
| 07:03.10 | xixor | hey everybody |
| 07:03.27 | xixor | I am wondering how /etc/cron.daily/ works. Does any script I put in there run daily as root? at what time? |
| 07:03.31 | Crypticfortune | Ramattack: well the only penalty you pay for using more inodes is larger inode tables (i think), so if you need more, use em. |
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| 07:03.56 | piper69 | enouf: done |
| 07:04.05 | enouf | xixor: default is around 6.20 AM |
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| 07:04.11 | cahoot | xixor: look in /etc/crontab |
| 07:04.13 | enouf | piper69: all good? |
| 07:04.14 | Ramattack | crypticfortune yep but could I create a ext3 partition with a huge number of inodes? |
| 07:04.17 | piper69 | enouf: so did you want me to run apt-get -s dist-upgrade 1st |
| 07:04.17 | Crypticfortune | xixor: see /etc/crontab (you'll it launches the others form there) |
| 07:04.23 | Skept | hark: yeah,. i looked at that. what is the command i should use along with -d? for example, if i type apt-get -d apt-utils, its saying invalid option |
| 07:04.24 | Ramattack | could this cause any damage to the partition? |
| 07:04.36 | enouf | xixor: oh .. nevermind, I misread your post |
| 07:04.41 | piper69 | enouf: i really don't know if it get etch |
| 07:04.57 | MidgetSpy | enouf: um... same GPG error |
| 07:04.59 | enouf | piper69: likely not .. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:05.07 | xixor | enouf: ha, thats ok, thanks though |
| 07:05.17 | solid_liq | anyone know when the 64 bit supported version of debian will be out? |
| 07:05.18 | Gokee2 | I bought a broken laptop today :) |
| 07:05.29 | Crypticfortune | Ramattack: damage to the partition? well creating a new ex3 filesystem in an existing partition is going to destroy that partition obviously =p |
| 07:05.40 | piper69 | enouf: 3.1 |
| 07:05.43 | xixor | enouf, so I notice that there are no /etc/cron.allow or /etc/cron.deny |
| 07:05.49 | xixor | enouf, does that mean that only root can edit the crontab? |
| 07:05.54 | Crypticfortune | Ramattack: er rather, destroy the existing filesystem there i mean.... |
| 07:05.57 | MidgetSpy | enouf: if I were to do it from a CD, would I boot it and boot the "linux26" or just the standard boot? |
| 07:06.02 | enouf | MidgetSpy: so apt-get update fails .. hrm |
| 07:06.14 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: no good reason to use 2.4 nowadays |
| 07:06.25 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: unless you have hardware or other special reasons for 2.4 |
| 07:06.36 | enouf | MidgetSpy: Etch uses 2.6 as default |
| 07:06.50 | piper69 | enouf: how can i get etch |
| 07:07.01 | enouf | MidgetSpy: 2.6.17 or .18 now |
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| 07:07.21 | Gokee2 | Guerin, You use a modem? :0 |
| 07:07.28 | Guerin | Gokee2: hell no |
| 07:07.34 | Ramattack | yep but image when you install debian you have 100 gb and imagine 200 inoces (only a number) |
| 07:07.34 | enouf | piper69: I'm sorry .. DOH! .. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 07:07.49 | Guerin | Gokee2: but Iin any case I have a real one (with an actual chip on) |
| 07:07.51 | Ramattack | if you say to it to use 100GB and 2000000000000 inodes |
| 07:08.06 | enouf | piper69: you need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list to read etch whereever it says sarge |
| 07:08.15 | Ramattack | could this cause loose of performance on ext3? or create bad the new partition? |
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| 07:08.19 | Guerin | Ramattack: have you ever run out of inodes? |
| 07:08.19 | Crypticfortune | Gokee2: modems are still handy for connecting via cellphones |
| 07:08.29 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: hahah |
| 07:08.47 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: because people use their cellphones to access the web |
| 07:08.57 | Gokee2 | Crypticfortune, That would be awsome |
| 07:09.01 | pinx | Gokee2: I use a broken laptop with a PCMCIA card that is an ethernet card and modem combined |
| 07:09.02 | bellen | mysql-5.0 is not ssl-enabled. how to set it right? |
| 07:09.09 | enouf | piper69: THEN .. --> apt-get update ; apt-get -s dist-upgrade (notice the -s for simulation .. so you can see what it "would do") .. if all looks good .. remove the -s |
| 07:09.22 | Guerin | bellen: rtfm |
| 07:09.35 | enouf | !fish |
| 07:09.36 | dpkg | fish is, like, FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 07:09.37 | Guerin | bellen: or you mean it's not compiled with ssl support? |
| 07:09.40 | netdaemon | hm, things that i wanted to package are already being worked on =) |
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| 07:09.51 | bellen | Guerin, that's what i mean. |
| 07:09.53 | netdaemon | epdfview....nspluginwrapper |
| 07:09.53 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: heheh web no, but having a mobile svn/mail/chat conenction can be very handy ^^ |
| 07:10.13 | Ramattack | guerin : nope |
| 07:10.33 | Guerin | bellen: sorry. Ok, there may be a mysql-ssl addon, otherwise you'll need to rebuild the debian package |
| 07:10.46 | Ramattack | it's only a protective idea... |
| 07:10.46 | Guerin | Ramattack: what makes you think you ever will? |
| 07:10.53 | enouf | MidgetSpy: have you given up on fixing this? |
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| 07:11.06 | Ramattack | guerin I'll use loaded maildir mail servers |
| 07:11.06 | Gokee2 | Crypticfortune, Do you know of a good phone that runs linux? |
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| 07:11.20 | bellen | Guerin, where to find the addon, rebuilding would be a tedious process. |
| 07:11.32 | Guerin | bellen: /msg dpkg search |
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| 07:11.43 | stew | !(100 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000 ) / ( 4 * 1024 ) |
| 07:11.43 | dpkg | 24414062.5 |
| 07:11.51 | MidgetSpy | enouf: no, if you have more ideas let me know |
| 07:12.03 | stew | it would be silly to allocate more inodes than there are possible blocks on the disk |
| 07:12.08 | Crypticfortune | Gokee2: nope. but the apple iphone will run os x... |
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| 07:12.18 | enouf | MidgetSpy: can you tell me if /var/lib/apt/lists/ is populated at all? |
| 07:12.45 | enouf | MidgetSpy: check /partial too .. though mine isn'y |
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| 07:13.28 | frootypez | someone told me to install a program as suid=0 |
| 07:13.29 | Gokee2 | Crypticfortune, Iphones are too $$$ for me, anyway I would feel too normal with a iphone.. By next year all the rich kids will have them.... |
| 07:13.30 | frootypez | how can i do that? |
| 07:13.51 | stew | frootypez: what program? |
| 07:13.57 | MidgetSpy | enouf: it's just seeming that it would actually be easier to dl the net inst and re-install than hack away at this |
| 07:14.05 | frootypez | something that the person had written, nothing malicious |
| 07:14.15 | enouf | MidgetSpy: hang in there .. just for a few |
| 07:14.18 | frootypez | i know what it is because i studied the source code and helped provide a patch to the program |
| 07:14.27 | MidgetSpy | enouf: yes there are files in the /var/lib/apt/lists dir |
| 07:14.30 | enouf | MidgetSpy: it becomes a goal for me now :-) |
| 07:14.34 | enouf | dammit! |
| 07:14.37 | stew | frootypez: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 07:14.42 | frootypez | k |
| 07:15.10 | enouf | MidgetSpy: get them OUT .. delete them or mv them like before .. but to a New diff Dir -- so you still have those older Orig ones |
| 07:15.26 | Crypticfortune | Gokee2: apparently all of these phones run linux http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9423084269.html (they might not let you tinker with the insides though) |
| 07:15.30 | frootypez | thanks :D |
| 07:15.33 | frootypez | the wiki is great |
| 07:15.39 | frootypez | chmod +s program then? |
| 07:15.59 | solid_liq | MidgetSpy: don't be so lazy ;) |
| 07:16.02 | Ramattack | crypticfortune so you say there's no problem defining the number of inodes you want? |
| 07:16.11 | MidgetSpy | ok it's empty |
| 07:16.19 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok |
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| 07:16.32 | enouf | MidgetSpy: apt-get update |
| 07:16.57 | MidgetSpy | i'll re-make the partial dir |
| 07:17.04 | vick | enouf, i ran some file in that package and all worked fine, Thanks a lot :D |
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| 07:17.27 | vick | enouf, so you using debian stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 07:17.38 | enouf | MidgetSpy: did you remember to alter(change back) the security.debian.org repo to Etch? and to uncomment it (if it was?) |
| 07:17.47 | enouf | vick: ok .. great ;-) |
| 07:17.58 | frootypez | ? |
| 07:18.01 | frootypez | is that right? |
| 07:18.04 | frootypez | chmod +s program? |
| 07:18.32 | Gokee2 | Crypticfortune, Ok I think I saw that list once before, I really want one I can play with the insides of though... :) |
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| 07:19.26 | MidgetSpy | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/374084 |
| 07:19.31 | Crypticfortune | Ramattack: man mke2fs. if specifying a bad number for the number of inodes broke something, that would be a bug in the filesystem =P |
| 07:19.43 | MidgetSpy | (top lines are the sources I have in my sources.list) |
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| 07:20.10 | Ramattack | crypticfortune lol ok then thanks a lot fold |
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| 07:20.12 | Ramattack | folk |
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| 07:21.23 | Ramattack | bye thanks a lot |
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| 07:23.45 | cld2 | this is strange. if I am root I can ping hosts from the /etc/hosts file if I am a regular user I can not. perms on /etc/hosts are 644. any ideas? |
| 07:23.58 | silya | Hi all! I need a help with tc htb. I create classes and filters for some iface and have some problems with traffic. http://pastebin.ca/374085. Please, what's wrong? I can descript all needs that descript in this script |
| 07:24.57 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok .. we have a gpg issue with keyring , though .. hrm.. you should prolly copy back that backup into /var/lib/apt/lists/, after agasin removing whatever's there .. use "cp -a /root/backup/* /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 07:26.44 | silya | sometimes ping and games works fine, but sometime everything stops! maybe I make mistakes? |
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| 07:27.51 | deadcat | why is this --> "^24.+[!7rH][!2rR][!0hH][!pPdD]" <-- not matching this --> 24 6x11 [HDTV - XOR] <-- via preg_match? |
| 07:28.01 | MidgetSpy | enouf: ok it's back |
| 07:28.32 | enouf | MidgetSpy: same error? |
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| 07:28.46 | enouf | MidgetSpy: apt-get update |
| 07:28.49 | MidgetSpy | it's downloading |
| 07:28.54 | enouf | no shit |
| 07:29.19 | xerophyte_ | could somebody tell me why this server has load above 3+ ? stats can be found at http://www.pastebin.ca/374092 |
| 07:29.36 | enouf | MidgetSpy: once done; apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
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| 07:30.23 | MidgetSpy | enouf: same error |
| 07:30.34 | enouf | MidgetSpy: form update? |
| 07:30.48 | Guerin | xerophyte_: look for processes in state D |
| 07:31.18 | MidgetSpy | enouf: yes, from update same GPG error |
| 07:31.44 | enouf | MidgetSpy: try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 07:31.54 | xerophyte_ | Guerin, i have noen |
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| 07:32.43 | dominicano | hello all |
| 07:32.55 | MidgetSpy | enouf: unmet dependencies ;-P |
| 07:32.56 | albert | how install quanta plus? |
| 07:33.15 | dominicano | do you know "typing break" app, from gnome? how can i change the message "take a break" ? |
| 07:33.22 | Gokee2 | Is there a way to apt search only install packages? |
| 07:33.31 | enouf | MidgetSpy: IF you had always previously been using sudo (as User) for apt-get install ... go back to that method and try again .. there;'s diff /root/.gnupg and ~/.gnupg dirs |
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| 07:33.51 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok .. |
| 07:34.01 | enouf | MidgetSpy: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:34.21 | MidgetSpy | i'm doing this as root, no sudo |
| 07:34.34 | enouf | MidgetSpy: oh . the Keyring install said Unmet depends? .. |
| 07:34.36 | MidgetSpy | apt-get dist-upgrade fails with the same 3 unmet dependencies |
| 07:34.38 | MidgetSpy | yes |
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| 07:35.31 | enouf | crap .. put the damn shit on Hold or something .. I wonder if dselect can be your buddy here .. |
| 07:36.06 | MidgetSpy | heh well i should really get to bed anyway... thanks for all the help enouf |
| 07:36.17 | enouf | MidgetSpy: man dselect |
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| 07:36.23 | enouf | MidgetSpy: me too :-P |
| 07:36.39 | enouf | MidgetSpy: I tried .. oh well .. a learning exp for us both .. |
| 07:37.46 | netdaemon | is there a way to do some sort of wireless profileing in debian? |
| 07:38.00 | netdaemon | for instance have it ask which wireless ssid i want to connect to on boot or something |
| 07:38.18 | enouf | Gokee2: dpkg -l and dpkg -S will only return stuff from installed pkgs (generally) |
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| 07:38.44 | jedir0x | how do i get my debian 3.1 install to use kernel 2.6 ? |
| 07:39.17 | Gokee2 | enouf, ok thanks |
| 07:39.23 | enouf | Gokee2: dpkg -l lists the installed pkgs status .. if you're looking for certain files, install dlocate, use dpkg -S, and man which |
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| 07:40.02 | Gokee2 | enouf, So dpkg -l would list every pkg on my computer? |
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| 07:40.30 | jedir0x | how do i get my debian 3.1 install to use kernel 2.6 ? |
| 07:40.33 | netdaemon | jedir0x, linux26 as the boot option |
| 07:40.36 | Crypticfortune | ok im quite confused: if i do "smbmount //server/share /mnt/stuff -o iocharset=euc-jp" i'd expect to be able to see japanese filenames in ls, but I just get question marks. iocharset=utf-8 has the same problem. it works magically when i connect via os x, but not debian. what's up? |
| 07:40.51 | jedir0x | netdaemon: you mean, durring setup? |
| 07:40.57 | netdaemon | when you boot the cd |
| 07:41.01 | netdaemon | type linux26 |
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| 07:41.05 | netdaemon | press enter |
| 07:41.05 | jedir0x | netdaemon: what if i've already installed it and have a working (and good) system setup |
| 07:41.07 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: euc-jp is not utf-8 |
| 07:41.14 | netdaemon | apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 07:41.15 | jedir0x | i need to upgrade to 2.6 |
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| 07:41.39 | jedir0x | netdaemon: do i need anything specific in sources.list (not finding that package) |
| 07:41.50 | netdaemon | what about kernel-image? |
| 07:41.57 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: yeah, this i know. but i'd expect the files to be one of those two. (these are files created in windows) |
| 07:42.06 | Guerin | jedir0x: aptitude search image-2.6 |
| 07:42.13 | enouf | Gokee2: I should say dpkg -l lists apt-caches status of pkgs d/l .. or were , or are .. erm YEs, generally "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l > ~/dpkglist.txt" should give you a nice list and perhaps "dpkg --set-selections" may be of help .. man dpkg |
| 07:42.17 | jedir0x | netdaemon: ah, works... tells me i have to specifically select one for my architecture |
| 07:42.18 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: i think they have to match |
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| 07:42.47 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: whatever term your console is set to will limit what you can see |
| 07:43.10 | pressureman | hi, does anyone know if kernel 2.6.19 or 2.6.20 is slated to make it into etch-final? |
| 07:43.18 | jedir0x | netdaemon: any idea which one i should install for: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+ |
| 07:43.32 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: it seems like something else might be clobbering the filenames in ls. what other settings might clobber those? (i have two terminals open, one for euc-jp, one for utf-8, and neither works) |
| 07:43.47 | hark | pressureman: neither |
| 07:43.52 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: mm, funky. |
| 07:43.54 | enouf | Gokee2: for ex; dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt ... /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 07:44.03 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: and the files work locally? |
| 07:44.06 | pressureman | hark: uh oh... 2.6.18 is the final kernel? |
| 07:44.57 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: yes. and they work fine mounting with the same command from mac os x... |
| 07:44.57 | netdaemon | 686 should work fine |
| 07:45.04 | pressureman | i just bought a 3ware 9650SE (PCIe), and it's only supported in 2.6.19 and later |
| 07:45.33 | pressureman | prior to that i have to hand-compile the drivers, which is ok on an existing system, but i'm gonna be stuck for installing onto bare metal |
| 07:46.10 | pressureman | i have a bunch more of these servers to build in the coming weeks/months |
| 07:46.41 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: I guess it must be a samba thing. I don't know samba well, so I can't help you much. |
| 07:46.59 | Guerin | s/well/at all/ |
| 07:47.30 | Guerin | pressureman: make your own custom d-i |
| 07:47.38 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: the same directory is also available from nfs. i have the same problem with that...i think it's something in my shell/terminal.. |
| 07:47.57 | enouf | pressureman: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 07:48.28 | Guerin | th0ger_ifa: quick, one of our politicians is talking abour 419 scams |
| 07:48.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:48.35 | Guerin | wrong channel |
| 07:49.42 | pressureman | cool, that looks like what i need. thanks guys :) |
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| 07:51.20 | Crypticfortune | on the same topic as custom d-i's, where should i look for instructions to make myself a rescue boot-cd with my customized kernel and selected other programs? |
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| 07:52.22 | Crypticfortune | (ps: knoppix is not an option (doesn't boot =( |
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| 07:53.50 | Guerin | motp: morphix? |
| 07:53.57 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: morphix? |
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| 07:54.20 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 07:54.20 | dpkg | it has been said that custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 07:54.38 | sep | Crypticfortune, perhaps you can do something with http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ + http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 07:54.41 | enouf | pressureman: you may also want to look at preseeding http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and also /msg dpkg kp mantra and /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 07:55.21 | pressureman | nice docs |
| 07:55.26 | enouf | pressureman: and ofcourse .. /msg dpkg reference |
| 07:55.37 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: hmm i'll try it. worth a shot anyway |
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| 07:56.43 | Coke | Hello. I'm currently running a new Testing installation with Exim4. In previous versions there was a file called something like exim4.conf-update which was easily changed to include common options. How does this work in testing? All I have is the template, does the update thingie still work the same way? |
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| 07:57.04 | Crypticfortune | sep: thanks! i think i could do it with that...given some time =p |
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| 07:57.33 | cahoot | Coke: dpkkg-reconfigure exim4-config isn't what you want? |
| 07:57.40 | Coke | cahoot: migh be |
| 07:57.47 | Coke | cahoot: there's also a filed named update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 07:57.52 | stefano | hello everybody |
| 07:57.55 | Coke | retarded name, but might be the one Im looking for. |
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| 07:58.32 | motp | re |
| 07:58.44 | motp | Guerin, no :-) why? |
| 07:58.58 | Guerin | motp: sorry |
| 07:59.24 | motp | no prob :) |
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| 08:00.39 | Coke | cahoot: after reconfig: Stopping MTA for restart:2007-02-27 09:00:05 Exim configuration error in line 41 of /etc/exim4/exim4.conf: |
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| 08:01.37 | jpoon | hey guys...anyone here make a debian etch installer using a USB key? |
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| 08:03.05 | Coke | Bah. Needed to delete exim4.conf. |
| 08:03.14 | jpoon | do I just download the vmlinuz, boot.img.gz, and initrd.gz? |
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| 08:07.13 | fireba11 | jpoon: good question .. would be nice to have the debian netinstall on usb if possible :-) |
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| 08:07.50 | jpoon | fireball, it doesn't exist? |
| 08:07.56 | Gnea | !usb install |
| 08:07.57 | dpkg | i guess usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 08:09.07 | cydork | jpoon: also http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 08:10.01 | enouf | Coke: maybe zless /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/spec.txt.gz can be of help .. if you like html, install exim4-doc-html |
| 08:10.44 | jpoon | thanks! |
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| 08:28.29 | Coke | I'm running "lpadmin -p RicePrinter -v smb://rice/INKJET -P /root/inkjet.ppd", I get "lpadmin: File not found". What file and where do I get it? |
| 08:28.48 | Coke | (I'm following a mini-howto on Debian printing found on faqs.org) |
| 08:29.03 | Coke | (and I hae changed the smb URL to the right one) |
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| 08:31.28 | Coke | Oh, the PPD. |
| 08:31.56 | Coke | Funny how the mini howto wouldn't mention that the PPD actualy needs to be copied or linked from the share directory of PPD's. |
| 08:33.45 | Coke | DOH! "Printer not ready" |
| 08:34.52 | Coke | Are there any Debian printing howto's which will allow me to configure Debian to print on a Windows share -without- having to learn how the hell samba works? I want minimum work load, I just want to shovel off some postscript. |
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| 08:36.18 | embrik | How do I mount an NTFS partition in fstab? I have both debian-edu and win XP installed |
| 08:36.18 | x01 | Coke: gnome has a nice utility |
| 08:36.18 | sep | Coke, are you sure you have enabeled the cups backends you need ? |
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| 08:36.31 | Coke | sep: I followed the mini howto. |
| 08:36.36 | Coke | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html |
| 08:36.37 | wols_ | if you want to print to a share specifically: Np |
| 08:36.46 | Coke | It said "apt-get this, then lpadmin and you're done" |
| 08:36.50 | wols_ | there are only two ways: samba and IPP |
| 08:37.14 | sep | Coke, if yuo do that manauly it wont work i belive. |
| 08:37.17 | wols_ | shares are samba onky, IPP means port 631/tcp and only works with win2k and up |
| 08:37.27 | embrik | Any howto-s on mounting NTFS in fstab |
| 08:37.34 | sep | try dpkg-reconfigure cupsys |
| 08:37.36 | Coke | sep: mhm. which makes it so wierd that the howto would tell me to do so. |
| 08:37.58 | sep | Coke, old howto ? :) |
| 08:38.02 | wols_ | the ntfs projects. NTFS is just a different filesystem type, that's all |
| 08:38.04 | Coke | Basically I -loath- printing in Unix. It's the only area where Windows kicks GNU's ass silly. |
| 08:38.14 | Coke | sep: dunno. probably too old then. |
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| 08:38.30 | dondelelcaro | unix printing is trivial when you pick non-crap printers |
| 08:38.43 | Coke | This is a good one. |
| 08:38.48 | Coke | And no, it's not trivial. |
| 08:38.49 | dondelelcaro | (translation: printers which understande PS) |
| 08:38.59 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: not every wants to shell out for PS |
| 08:39.14 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it's not that expensive |
| 08:39.29 | wols_ | and if you can only print on very high priced printers, then yes I agree with Coke: it's crap |
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| 08:39.34 | sep | Coke, use dpkg-reconfigure cupsys instead of ln -s `which smbspool` /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb |
| 08:39.36 | Coke | dondelelcaro: it understands PS |
| 08:39.45 | dondelelcaro | then you don't need the PPD |
| 08:39.45 | Coke | sep: ahh, thanks. |
| 08:40.05 | sep | Coke, and you must ofcourse enable the backends yuu need |
| 08:40.12 | Coke | sep: I can't select samba |
| 08:40.19 | sep | and i usualy let the dumb windows print to my cups then the other way around |
| 08:40.45 | Coke | sep: not an option here. |
| 08:40.46 | sep | Coke, is the samba client installed ? |
| 08:40.50 | Coke | Yep. |
| 08:41.31 | Coke | I've got ipp, lpd, parallel, scsi, serial, socket, usb and snmp. |
| 08:41.45 | wols_ | on a win2k and up: use ipp |
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| 08:42.05 | Coke | See, even with sep's great assistance it's taken me five minutes already, the Windows installation would have been done by now. :) |
| 08:42.17 | sep | Coke, hum ? perhaps the howto. was not so old after all |
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| 08:42.38 | Coke | sep: doesn't matter, I had the smb backend symlinked after installing the package |
| 08:42.58 | Coke | /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb -> ../../../bin/smbspool |
| 08:43.29 | sep | and why dont you print to the printer directly instead of the windows server ? |
| 08:43.43 | Coke | sep: that's the setup. |
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| 08:44.18 | Coke | sep: If I could just simply decide and implement my own solutions there would be -no- Windows machines at all to bother with. |
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| 08:45.18 | chronographer | hello I want to konw what software i should use in etch for virtualisation (i think thats the word) i use virtualbox now, but it has a couple of problems... is qemu good? maybe vmware? |
| 08:45.18 | sep | Coke, then im sorry. i let windows's print to my cups using samba, but never the other way around, to much hassle. |
| 08:45.55 | chronographer | what do ppl use to put xp ina window? |
| 08:46.13 | Coke | How do I remove printers? |
| 08:46.18 | Coke | lpadmin something something? |
| 08:46.27 | sep | Coke, i use the cups webpage |
| 08:46.33 | sep | ipaddress:631 iirc |
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| 08:46.47 | Coke | eeh, say what? |
| 08:47.20 | Coke | There's no printcap file. :( |
| 08:47.33 | sep | Coke, i use the cups web admin page. http://hostname_of_cups_server:631 |
| 08:47.52 | Coke | I've stayed away from CUPS as long as I can and just stuck with the olde BSD lp. |
| 08:47.56 | sep | Coke, i belive it's default it to only work from localhost |
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| 08:48.38 | Coke | sep: sure. it requires a password which I have never been prompted to set. |
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| 08:48.39 | sep | but nothing a ssh tunnel can't do |
| 08:49.17 | Coke | Nice interface, actualy. |
| 08:49.29 | sep | ry withj roots ? |
| 08:49.35 | Coke | It broke after I deleted the faulty printer, but I've come to expect that from web interfaces. |
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| 08:50.16 | Coke | Yes. |
| 08:50.27 | Coke | That interface actualy did it. I just had to "activate printer" and then "accept jobs". |
| 08:50.30 | Coke | Voila. |
| 08:50.40 | Coke | Now to test if it -really- works. :) |
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| 08:53.18 | Coke | No, didn't work. The job just got stuck in my queue. |
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| 08:54.05 | sep | Coke, then check your logs, |
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| 08:55.54 | |ac3| | Hi |
| 08:55.55 | Coke | When I try to print the test page it says my quota is exceeded. |
| 08:56.16 | Coke | I never set a quota limit. |
| 08:56.39 | |ac3| | I´m using debian sarge. I have in py apt |
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| 08:57.16 | Coke | Ah, there. |
| 08:57.38 | Coke | Yep, the job is there, yet again, and printer doing nothing. |
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| 08:57.58 | |ac3| | apt preference a stable pin prio of 700, backports pin prio of 200 (all *) and for package postfix: release is sarge backports and pin-priority is 999 |
| 08:58.06 | apt | |ac3|: what are you talking about? |
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| 08:59.14 | |ac3| | when i install postfix i get a dependency problem: postfix: Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.0-6) but 2.0-7 is to be installed. using -t sarge-backports solves the problem, but will lsb-base ever be upgraded when a new version is upped to backports? |
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| 08:59.36 | factor | has anyone gotten the kde monitor rotation to work ? |
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| 08:59.48 | factor | with the librand2 stuff? |
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| 09:00.03 | |ac3| | or should i pin lsb-base to sarge-backports with a pin-priority of 999 too? |
| 09:00.10 | tenzing_ | !grub |
| 09:00.11 | dpkg | it has been said that grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
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| 09:01.10 | |ac3| | So will apt upgrade a package installed from backports when a new version is upped to backports, but it has a lower priority then the stable version (and this stable version is lower) |
| 09:01.15 | Coke | Hmm. I'm reading some posts claiming that the selinux security might be interfering with my Samba printing. |
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| 09:06.44 | |ac3| | apt: no ideas? or are you a bot? :) |
| 09:06.46 | apt | okay, |ac3| |
| 09:06.54 | |ac3| | :) |
| 09:07.52 | streuner | Don't play with the bot too much! |
| 09:08.08 | streuner | apt, listauth |ac3| |
| 09:08.09 | apt | factoid author list by '|ac3|' (1): ideas? or. |
| 09:08.29 | streuner | apt, forget ideas? or |
| 09:08.29 | apt | streuner: i forgot ideas? or |
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| 09:09.26 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:09.51 | Coke | I'm getting a "no ticket cache for root\n Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME)\n Unable to connect to CIFS host, will retry in 60 seconds..." when printing via CUPS. |
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| 09:10.03 | Coke | I want it to print instead of logging errors, how do I do that? :) |
| 09:10.28 | |ac3| | streuner: you know what apt would do? |
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| 09:15.23 | ColdFyre | install lthe drivers? |
| 09:15.52 | debusr | no. setp the essid and wep keys |
| 09:16.23 | ColdFyre | iwconfig |
| 09:16.27 | ColdFyre | command line tool |
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| 09:16.58 | wols_ | debusr: distro specifc |
| 09:17.06 | debusr | is there a way to do it with the interfaces file? |
| 09:17.08 | wols_ | each distro has different ways to configure the network |
| 09:17.16 | wols_ | yes there is. man interfaces, man wireless |
| 09:17.27 | wols_ | providing you use debian |
| 09:17.35 | debusr | yes debian. |
| 09:18.38 | wols_ | e.g. your interface stanza includes "wireless-key" to set your WEP key, man wireless explains it |
| 09:18.41 | debusr | i checked the man, when i used a wireless-essid config, ifup complains abt the config being invalid. |
| 09:19.10 | wols_ | paste the interfaces file at past2e.org |
| 09:20.09 | wols_ | and you need to have wireless-tools installed and your kernel needs wireless extensions of course |
| 09:20.55 | debusr | i can bring up the if manually by iwconfig/dhclient so kernel and tools support are there |
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| 09:21.45 | Traveler39 | hi |
| 09:22.05 | debusr | http://rafb.net/p/NcMoe646.html |
| 09:22.50 | Traveler39 | someone is triyng to enter in my pc by the vnc port |
| 09:23.14 | Traveler39 | i know he had the 22 port open |
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| 09:23.40 | Traveler39 | how can I do a brute-force attack on it? |
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| 09:33.32 | ma3x | hello, is there a fix to the #412585 bug? |
| 09:33.33 | stew | ma3x: if there was a fix, it would certainly be attached to the bug |
| 09:33.45 | ma3x | stew: how come there is no fix to this minor bug? |
| 09:33.47 | ma3x | since days.... |
| 09:34.12 | ma3x | I mean it's not some game, it's iceweasel |
| 09:34.15 | stew | ma3x: i haven't looked at what might be causing the bug. have you? |
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| 09:34.57 | ma3x | well I asked on irc.mozilla.org and they said debian broke it |
| 09:34.58 | ma3x | ask there |
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| 09:35.43 | enouf | !penixstrike ma3x |
| 09:35.44 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ma3x to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:35.48 | stew | easy |
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| 09:36.39 | ma3x | check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412344 |
| 09:36.52 | ma3x | thata guy says something about a patch 'o, the patch in the opposite direction was only applied to |
| 09:36.53 | ma3x | /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel script. ' |
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| 09:37.21 | ma3x | and there he specifies a link which contains some kinda patch |
| 09:37.22 | ma3x | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mozilla?op=comp&compare%5B%5D=%2Ficeweasel%2Ftrunk%2Fdebian@39812&compare%5B%5D=%2Ficeweasel%2Ftrunk%2Fdebian@39813 |
| 09:37.28 | ma3x | I don't know if it's really one |
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| 09:38.01 | ma3x | stew: do you have the same problem? |
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| 09:40.15 | ewanm89 | #Beryl |
| 09:40.30 | ma3x | what's the beryl thing? |
| 09:40.36 | hark | iceweasel and bugs??? |
| 09:40.40 | ma3x | people keep saying it ten thousand times a day |
| 09:40.49 | hark | !beryl |
| 09:40.50 | dpkg | [beryl] a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://debian.beryl-project.org/ |
| 09:41.19 | ma3x | hark: yes iceweasel is buggy |
| 09:41.46 | hark | hmm, more unofficial packages.. |
| 09:42.02 | ma3x | like what? iceweasel is official |
| 09:42.10 | ewanm89 | sorry I hit the wrong button! |
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| 09:42.42 | hark | er, sorry, about beryl above ^ |
| 09:43.16 | ma3x | no problemo |
| 09:44.27 | ewanm89 | Beryl is unofficial. |
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| 09:49.01 | dneary | Hi |
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| 09:50.03 | dneary | I have a source tarball which I'd like to compile on Dapper, into two packages - one with just the library and another -dev |
| 09:50.06 | chronographer | hello i mounted a filesystem using etch and fstab and all that, now its owned by root and i cant read anything, i did a chown -R user:user /mnt/tmp and now i can go through all the folder but cant open documents... what did i do wrong? |
| 09:50.29 | dneary | I found info in the old maintainers guide on how to do that for older debian releases, but not with chkconfig |
| 09:50.50 | anapivirtua | Poy Poy all |
| 09:50.51 | dneary | I'm sure I'm just not reading the right piece of the HOWTO - can anyone point me to the right place? |
| 09:51.13 | chronographer | everyone out to lunch! |
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| 09:53.28 | chronographer | !fstab |
| 09:53.29 | dpkg | methinks fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 09:53.36 | dneary | In fact, I just found this: as a new maintainer you are discouraged from creating complicated packages, e.g. ... library packages ... It's not too hard, but it does require a bit more knowledge, so we won't describe all of it here. |
| 09:53.36 | chronographer | !chown |
| 09:53.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt |
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| 09:55.01 | fantomas | Hi. Would someone recommend a minimal linux distro which is good for booting remote stations. Except LTSP. |
| 09:55.04 | fantomas | I don't need client-server functionality - just need linux to run some linux tests and games |
| 09:55.19 | chronographer | puppy? |
| 09:55.22 | Leprehaun | hello all can someone tell me the code for english british for xorg configuration |
| 09:55.26 | chronographer | damn small linux? |
| 09:55.30 | chronographer | debian 3.1? |
| 09:55.45 | Leprehaun | etch i believe |
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| 09:56.05 | chronographer | sorry i was talking to someone else. and nope sorry! |
| 09:56.19 | fantomas | chronographer: thanks. Nice name |
| 09:56.20 | Leprehaun | lol np .. :) |
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| 09:57.03 | chronographer | thx |
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| 09:57.13 | chronographer | np |
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| 10:03.06 | chronographer | excuse me, when i chown to user:user why can't i access files like jpg ? |
| 10:03.06 | chronographer | only folders wre changed? |
| 10:03.06 | chronographer | its a ntfs system...? |
| 10:03.07 | fantomas | what? |
| 10:04.16 | petemc | chronographer: you cant chown ntfs |
| 10:04.16 | chronographer | do you have any ideas why when i mounted a ntfs filesystem with etch i cannot read txt and jpg files? they are owned by root, but i chown'ed them... they stay owned by root? |
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| 10:04.25 | chronographer | well why is it owned? |
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| 10:04.39 | chronographer | do i need to mount it with different permissions? |
| 10:04.40 | petemc | you set permissions at mount time |
| 10:04.42 | liable | man mount search umask |
| 10:04.45 | chronographer | oh i see |
| 10:04.54 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.00 | petemc | add that to your mount command |
| 10:05.20 | chronographer | ok so mount /mnt/tmp -o umask=22 |
| 10:05.26 | petemc | googling for "linux mount ntfs" would have told you this |
| 10:05.31 | chronographer | can i add something to fstab? |
| 10:05.35 | chronographer | sorry! |
| 10:05.44 | chronographer | i looked in man pages... |
| 10:06.07 | liable | !ntfsrw |
| 10:06.07 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs>, or for i386, see <ntfs-3g> |
| 10:06.15 | wols_ | yes you can add it to fstab too, it's in the manpage, the options field |
| 10:06.19 | liable | meh |
| 10:06.27 | fantomas | Well, back to minimal linux. Are there debian tools which make small debian site ready for deploying over network via BOOTP/PXE? |
| 10:06.57 | chronographer | i know i need ntfs 3g to write, just want to read at the mom |
| 10:07.06 | chronographer | ok thx |
| 10:07.11 | liable | didnt i read something about ntfs-3d recently saying it teh stables |
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| 10:14.59 | hark | teh stables? |
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| 10:15.58 | wols_ | liable: 2.6.20 has write support in the kernel. and it's not even market experiemtnal I think |
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| 10:16.44 | namon | hi |
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| 10:17.13 | wols_ | "This enables the partial, but safe, write support in the NTFS driver. The only supported operation is overwriting existing files," |
| 10:17.19 | wols_ | ok, not exactly usefu _= |
| 10:17.22 | wols_ | :) |
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| 10:18.22 | namon | somehow i break the pamauthentication (i have no clue about it), now i cant login with any loginmanager into my kde desktop, startin from console (startx) it works, how can i solve this problem? |
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| 10:21.34 | RvGaTe | When burning an image with gnomebaker, it stops for a moment at "Performing OPC", im curious, what does that mean ? |
| 10:22.00 | cahoot | media check? |
| 10:22.15 | RvGaTe | you asking me? hehe |
| 10:23.21 | hark | Optimum Power Calibration |
| 10:23.40 | hark | Optimum Power Control |
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| 10:23.55 | RvGaTe | ah |
| 10:24.00 | hark | !googlesmite RvGaTe |
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| 10:24.52 | hark | aargh.. damn sysctl |
| 10:24.55 | RvGaTe | thx hark |
| 10:25.12 | RvGaTe | what aboutit ? |
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| 10:26.16 | RvGaTe | Is it possible to check if a burning it done correctly? using the original .iso and the cd that has just been burned... ? |
| 10:26.34 | RvGaTe | it=is |
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| 10:28.11 | valdyn | RvGaTe: cmp file.iso /dev/dvd |
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| 10:29.39 | RvGaTe | valdyn, checking it now, thx |
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| 10:30.01 | valdyn | RvGaTe: where the device will often be larger than the iso, that's the difference that is ok |
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| 10:31.49 | valdyn | RvGaTe: OPC is a test burn in a special area |
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| 10:32.27 | RvGaTe | rvgate@rvgate:~/Desktop$ cmp trixbox-2.0.iso /dev/cdrom |
| 10:32.27 | RvGaTe | cmp: EOF on trixbox-2.0.iso |
| 10:32.29 | RvGaTe | hmm |
| 10:33.05 | valdyn | RvGaTe: that's what i just said, data on device and iso was identical, just the iso ends first, that's fine |
| 10:33.19 | RvGaTe | valdyn, ah, actually makes sence then :P |
| 10:33.44 | RvGaTe | anyway, thx for the info |
| 10:33.52 | valdyn | RvGaTe: EOF on /dev/dvd would be add, aswell as any other error |
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| 10:34.01 | valdyn | RvGaTe: EOF on /dev/dvd would be bad, aswell as any other error |
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| 10:39.25 | RvGaTe | thx valdyn, i gtg back to school now |
| 10:39.30 | RvGaTe | cya |
| 10:40.31 | Sypher | hum .... guys, quick question ... curl is supposed to output to stdout when used? |
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| 10:41.13 | Sypher | Because im trying to download some files, and i tought curl would save those ... but it outputs the date on the stdout ? :O |
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| 10:41.41 | jijidao | does anybody know why fcitx does not work? |
| 10:41.44 | hark | -o |
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| 10:51.45 | xand | !ftp |
| 10:51.45 | dpkg | ftp is, like, (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 10:53.01 | itchi | hi, my printer does not more work(tm) There was a command to setup the stuff again, somethings like foo-setup and he detect the stuff automagically again, but i not more remember that command :-) Running Etch here and i think the update have overwritten the config file, it's not the first time, but i always forget that foo-setup command :-s |
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| 10:54.01 | solars | can anyone tell me what I forgot in the kernel if I get a vfs: cannot open root device sda1 or unknown block(0,0) ? some sata option or so |
| 10:54.51 | itchi | solars: Is you're /boot/grub/menu.lst right? |
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| 10:55.38 | solars | itchi, what exactly do you mean with 'right' ? I think so yeah, I can boot with a prebuilt amd64 kernel, which has the same options |
| 10:56.07 | itchi | solars: Point it been to sda and not to hda; for example |
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| 10:56.39 | solars | itchi, both kernels have root=/dev/sda1 |
| 10:56.50 | itchi | solars: oki |
| 10:57.28 | itchi | solars: You have been take a config of a working kernel? |
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| 10:58.05 | itchi | solars: Then did make oldconfig |
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| 10:58.13 | XeN-Lo | hello world! ;o) |
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| 10:58.31 | solars | itchi, I copied the config of the prebuilt (that comes with the installation) 2.6.18-3 kernel into my custom 2.6.20.1 and did a make oldconfig |
| 10:58.50 | solars | itchi, but I think sata settings changed between those kernels, so I might have forgotten to enable something |
| 10:59.21 | JarJarBinks | !dpkg update incremental |
| 10:59.27 | thegve | Hello. We have an accident where some important directory's where removed, and there are no backups available. The server is running debian and an ext3 filesystem. I know the tool foremost, but I don't think it can recover directory structures. |
| 10:59.35 | thegve | Does anyone know a tool that can? |
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| 10:59.43 | thegve | I tried ext2retrieve |
| 10:59.50 | thegve | But it gave an error |
| 10:59.55 | thegve | Maybe because it's ext3 |
| 11:00.14 | c00lfon | Try remount -o ro and use debugfs. |
| 11:00.20 | XeN-Lo | i've got a problem when i try to boot on my install CD of debian On a powerPC (ePower Mac G3 bleu&white) |
| 11:00.22 | XeN-Lo | /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/mac-io@5/ata-3@20000/disk@0:2,yaboot.conf: Unkown or corrupt filesystem |
| 11:00.22 | XeN-Lo | can't open config file |
| 11:00.22 | XeN-Lo | Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.13 |
| 11:00.22 | XeN-Lo | Enter "help" to get some basic usage information |
| 11:00.22 | XeN-Lo | boot:_ |
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| 11:00.39 | itchi | solars: Maybe need you again to set the sata drivers into the kernel. The .18 had built-in support for my sata, where older kernels, i had need to buil it in the kernel. I dunno how it's with the .20 |
| 11:00.40 | c00lfon | lsdel, dump <inode> again and again... |
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| 11:01.21 | solars | itchi, yeah, I selected everything that I could find.... dunno what could be missing |
| 11:01.23 | itchi | thegve: There is a article on debian-adminstration about testdisk |
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| 11:01.33 | thegve | ok |
| 11:01.39 | itchi | solars: The right module for your sata :-s |
| 11:01.47 | itchi | solars: That's what is guess :-s |
| 11:01.59 | solars | itchi, thats what I have :D hm I think it is an initrd problem, there is no initrd in /boot for this kernel |
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| 11:02.34 | solars | itchi, I compiled/isntalled the kernel with make-kpkg/dpkg, do you know anything about initrd ? :) |
| 11:02.38 | XeN-Lo | how to use the copy bot ? |
| 11:02.40 | itchi | solars: The initrd is; i think; when you load it as a module |
| 11:03.00 | itchi | solars: I'm not so far :-s |
| 11:03.13 | solars | hmm |
| 11:03.16 | petemc | XeN-Lo: whats a copy bot? |
| 11:03.22 | itchi | solars: I need to learn more about the kernel :-0 Is on the long TODO list haha |
| 11:03.30 | XeN-Lo | paster bot sorry |
| 11:03.31 | solars | lol :) same here |
| 11:03.37 | Ronin | !paster |
| 11:03.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 11:04.26 | itchi | solars: Maybe look on the SCSI device support ---> and the SCSI low-level drivers ---> |
| 11:04.52 | itchi | solars: <*> Serial ATA (SATA) support and then bellow select you |
| 11:05.03 | itchi | oeps, then select your driver below |
| 11:05.12 | XeN-Lo | so i restart |
| 11:05.22 | XeN-Lo | i've got a problem when i try to boot on my install CD of debian On a powerPC (ePower Mac G3 bleu&white) |
| 11:05.41 | XeN-Lo | it says me this error: |
| 11:05.42 | XeN-Lo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5519 |
| 11:06.11 | solars | itchi, sata has its own device driver section now afaik |
| 11:06.21 | solars | itchi, i have scsi disk and generic support |
| 11:06.26 | itchi | solars: In the .20 ? |
| 11:06.40 | solars | itchi, yeah, device drivers -> sata fu |
| 11:06.46 | thegve | This server is 6000KM away, and there should be a spare disk in it, but somehow, Linux can't see it... A clear "doh" situation. |
| 11:07.06 | itchi | solars: I dunno :-s, not yet have look to the .20 :-s |
| 11:07.12 | solars | hehe |
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| 11:08.11 | XeN-Lo | no ID for my yaboot problem ? |
| 11:08.27 | itchi | XeN-Lo: Try /msg chanserv list *ppc* and look on the debian's ppc channel |
| 11:08.48 | XeN-Lo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:09.01 | XeN-Lo | but i come from debianppc |
| 11:09.10 | XeN-Lo | and they redirect me here! |
| 11:09.14 | itchi | hehe |
| 11:09.28 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i hace a little problem Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at /usr/bin/psql line 78 |
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| 11:11.00 | Ariel_Calzada | i have debian etch and i show me the following msg Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at /usr/bin/psql line 78 |
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| 11:13.40 | itchi | http://www.pastebin.ca/374203 |
| 11:13.42 | itchi | :-p |
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| 11:14.00 | fplus | sed -n '/AAA/,/BBB/p' file <--- this would print what's between AAA and BBB including AAA and BBB, how to exclude them? |
| 11:14.05 | moshii | off topic, but does anyone know which way around the barcode labels should go on dell LTO2 tapes? :P |
| 11:14.50 | pflanze | fplus: perl -wne '/AAA(.*)BBB/ and print "$1\n"' would work |
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| 11:15.24 | saftsack | hi |
| 11:15.48 | saftsack | is it possible to access the boot behaviour while booting? |
| 11:15.59 | saftsack | because it doesnt starts a terminal because another process hangs |
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| 11:16.49 | pflanze | saftsack: you can add init=/bin/bash to the boot parameters, examine what goes wrong, then exec /sbin/init |
| 11:16.59 | saftsack | pflanze thanks :) |
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| 11:17.25 | pflanze | saftsack: note that at that point only the root volume has been mounted |
| 11:17.33 | saftsack | yes |
| 11:17.53 | pflanze | and readonly, too |
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| 11:18.21 | pflanze | so do a mount -o remount,rw / |
| 11:18.35 | saftsack | /sbin/init fails because of missing parameters |
| 11:18.54 | pflanze | hm, dunno remember exactly, man init? |
| 11:18.55 | itchi | Cool, have found it, it was printconf to redetect my printer :-) |
| 11:19.06 | saftsack | it cant find /dev/initctl |
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| 11:19.15 | saftsack | so i have to mount dev first ;) |
| 11:19.20 | pflanze | no |
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| 11:19.30 | pflanze | it thinks it's called as initctl, |
| 11:19.30 | ruied | what should I use for nfs? nfs-user-server or nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 11:19.41 | saftsack | dev is mounted |
| 11:19.46 | pflanze | but it should just realize it's to be the init process |
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| 11:19.55 | CAiRO | why is mysqlcheck run every time i restart the mysql server? |
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| 11:20.29 | pflanze | saftsack: you could of course just sync; reboot -f |
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| 11:20.34 | itchi | And it work again! :-0 |
| 11:20.45 | itchi | work(tm) :-p |
| 11:21.02 | saftsack | pflanze, i will add ssh now to an earlier booting state |
| 11:21.08 | saftsack | and then it should work again ;) |
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| 11:21.32 | fplus | pflanze, it doesn't work |
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| 11:21.52 | itchi | CAiRO: It tcheck for crashed/curupted stuff, in case of ... |
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| 11:22.20 | CAiRO | itchi: yes, but why at every restart? |
| 11:22.22 | pflanze | fplus: sorry, my cmd is to be used in a pipe |
| 11:22.38 | pflanze | e.g. stdin to stdout |
| 11:22.41 | CAiRO | itchi: wouldn't it be enough to do it once in a while? |
| 11:22.48 | fplus | pflanze, yes i know and it deosnt' work |
| 11:22.56 | pflanze | what doesn't work? |
| 11:23.04 | itchi | CAiRO: No |
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| 11:23.21 | shinobi2 | anyone know if knoppix 5.1.1 comes with shred? |
| 11:23.21 | itchi | CAiRO: Database are important :-s |
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| 11:23.43 | CAiRO | itchi: hmm, and somehow i can't remember it doing that when i was still using mysql4... |
| 11:23.52 | pflanze | fplus: what doesn't work exactly? |
| 11:24.08 | fplus | pflanze, try it |
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| 11:24.20 | CAiRO | itchi: i've once been importing the wikipedia database locally.. and now it takes like an hour for it to check everything |
| 11:24.36 | elshaa | is it something that can print and return 0 or 1 if a user's quota is set or not ? (except a self made script) |
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| 11:24.57 | pflanze | fplus: it works for me. echo fooAAAhwellBBBso |perl -wne '/AAA(.*)BBB/ and print "$1\n"' |
| 11:25.56 | pflanze | fplus: note that I joined right before you asked, so don't assume I know about any talk before. |
| 11:26.39 | pflanze | so you need to give more detail than just "doesn't work" and that I should try. |
| 11:26.39 | wferi | Hi! I'm trying to network install Etch over a serial console. The BIOS provides serial output, so pxelinux is not configured for that. Now, how do I press F1 on the pxelinux boot prompt? |
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| 11:27.36 | pflanze | saftsack: I realize: you didn't "exec" as I told you, did you? |
| 11:27.44 | itchi | CAiRO: You can disable it, but i not recommend it :-s |
| 11:28.30 | itchi | CAiRO: Look in /etc/mysql/debian-start and comment maybe the line check_for_crashed_tables; (but agian, i not recommend it to do it!) |
| 11:28.52 | CAiRO | itchi: yes, but for a desktop computer, it isn't ideal when after a restart, mysql causes that much disk-io |
| 11:29.14 | itchi | CAiRO: Yes and no at ½ |
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| 11:29.59 | pflanze | (saftsack: exec as in "help exec") |
| 11:30.00 | itchi | CAiRO: If you get corrupted data... you know why ;-) |
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| 11:30.57 | CAiRO | itchi: hmm, well, i'd have thought mysql databases aren't corrupted that easily |
| 11:31.19 | itchi | CAiRO: Yeah, but i gona tell, why do you restart it?? :-) |
| 11:31.32 | pflanze | Can anyone tell me where the new archive keys for sarge are? |
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| 11:32.09 | saftsack | pflanze, could be but i tracked down the error. INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 11:32.14 | itchi | pflanze: Which one? These of the /topic ? |
| 11:32.17 | CAiRO | itchi: well, yesterday i did it because of an upgrade of the mysql package.. but when you have a desktop computer, you usually turn it off when you don't need it anymore |
| 11:32.28 | saftsack | so i went in /bin/bash and startet getty manually and there it works |
| 11:32.32 | CAiRO | itcho: restart as in start the computer or restart the computer |
| 11:33.17 | itchi | CAiRO: Bah, i already got a corrupted one ... And was been happy to recover it :-0 |
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| 11:33.50 | itchi | CAiRO: IF it's not important data, yeah, maybe remove it |
| 11:34.06 | CAiRO | itchi: hmm, will it get faster when i delete the wikipedia database? i've learned the files on disk don't get smaller.. no, wikipedia itself it not important but some of the other databases |
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| 11:34.24 | itchi | CAiRO: I dunno |
| 11:34.49 | itchi | CAiRO: Depend how big these are |
| 11:35.15 | CAiRO | i think only a few megabytes, but not gigabytes as wikipedia |
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| 11:36.10 | itchi | CAiRO: Maybe are you /just/ with you're memory? |
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| 11:36.36 | CAiRO | itchi: i don't understand, what do you mean? |
| 11:36.50 | itchi | CAiRO: Maybe have you not enought memory, i mean. Sorry ;-) |
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| 11:37.15 | CAiRO | i have 2 gb ram, i hope thats enough.. but it seems the disk io is not very fast, its only like 2 mb / s |
| 11:37.37 | itchi | CAiRO: Yeah, that's moooore as enought :-) |
| 11:37.49 | itchi | CAiRO: Have you been DMA on ? |
| 11:38.00 | CAiRO | yes, i think so, i've tuned that with hdparm |
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| 11:38.42 | CAiRO | sata disks don't have a dma setting, right? |
| 11:38.43 | itchi | CAiRO: T'check again, we never know |
| 11:38.52 | itchi | CAiRO: oh |
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| 11:39.07 | CAiRO | i see its turned on for hda, but not for sda |
| 11:39.13 | itchi | CAiRO: I dunno what happend then :-s |
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| 11:40.27 | CAiRO | hmm, well it seems i can't do very much.. anyway, thanks for your help |
| 11:40.58 | itchi | CAiRO: No problem ;-) |
| 11:41.29 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:41.33 | Mazingaro | 4.0 is out! |
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| 11:42.19 | Mazingaro | how can I upgrade from unstable to etch? |
| 11:42.24 | shinobi2 | anyone know if knoppix 5.1.1 comes with shred? |
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| 11:45.57 | Daejeo1 | where can i learn more abour apt-get? |
| 11:46.20 | I-kido | apt-get --help ? |
| 11:46.22 | CAiRO | Mazingaro: how do you know its out? |
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| 11:46.35 | Mazingaro | on a magazine |
| 11:46.42 | Mazingaro | but it's a fake |
| 11:46.55 | Mazingaro | I'm on www.debian.org now |
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| 11:50.02 | Daejeo1 | I-kido: how can i pause the screen? |
| 11:50.14 | Daejeo1 | when i type apt-get help |
| 11:50.26 | Daejeo1 | i am able to see only last otions |
| 11:50.39 | Daejeo1 | options |
| 11:50.50 | I-kido | uhhh |
| 11:50.53 | I-kido | hold on |
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| 11:50.58 | I-kido | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.04 | jolly_ | W: GPG error: http://ftp.no.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:51.10 | jolly_ | any ideas how i can fix that? |
| 11:51.13 | Ronin | jolly_: /topic |
| 11:51.26 | jolly_ | ./msg dpkg no public key |
| 11:51.28 | jolly_ | this one? |
| 11:51.53 | I-kido | Daejeo1: maximizing the windows works for me :) |
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| 11:52.11 | Daejeo1 | no GUI |
| 11:52.19 | I-kido | oopz |
| 11:52.39 | kokoboi | does debian/m68k run on mac quadra 650 ? |
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| 11:54.12 | Daejeo1 | any other idea? |
| 11:54.16 | I-kido | Daejeo1: page up |
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| 11:54.47 | I-kido | or shift pageUp |
| 11:55.02 | pflanze | Daejeo1: ...|less |
| 11:55.10 | I-kido | yes |
| 11:55.31 | pflanze | maybe ... 2>&1 |less if the app in question prints to stderr |
| 11:56.20 | Daejeo1 | works |
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| 11:56.26 | Daejeo1 | thax mates |
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| 11:59.58 | itchi | Mazingaro: You probably can forget it, if you have switched to unstable, normally you can not easy go back to a lower release |
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| 12:00.32 | itchi | Mazingaro: The real question is; Why did you the switch to unstable? |
| 12:00.33 | b0red | hi. how to delete new lines in sed? |
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| 12:00.51 | itchi | b0red: \n ?? |
| 12:01.01 | Mazingaro | itchi: but, with the new release will be an unstable release |
| 12:01.03 | Mazingaro | ? |
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| 12:01.39 | itchi | Mazingaro: I not understand |
| 12:01.46 | Coweater | unstable never releases |
| 12:01.54 | b0red | itchi, yeah. {/\n/d} doesn't work |
| 12:02.09 | Mazingaro | so unstable newer change release |
| 12:02.56 | itchi | Mazingaro: These have decenter compilers and such :-s |
| 12:03.17 | itchi | b0red: I dunno to be honnest :-) I need to look |
| 12:03.30 | Mazingaro | itchi: unstable? |
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| 12:03.34 | itchi | Mazingaro: Yeah |
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| 12:03.45 | pflanze | b0red, perl -wne 'chomp;print' |
| 12:04.20 | Daejeo1 | how can i upgrade the kernal from 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 12:04.37 | DimmuR | how can i in new debian make initrd image? i cna't find initrd binary file in any of packages (using apt-file) :( |
| 12:04.42 | b0red | pflanze, i'm using sed |
| 12:04.56 | pflanze | b0red: okay, can't help you then :) |
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| 12:05.22 | itchi | dpkg: boe |
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| 12:08.46 | itchi | b0red: You need to escape the \ |
| 12:08.53 | itchi | b0red: \\n then |
| 12:09.42 | Daejeo1 | how can i upgrade the kernal from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 12:09.47 | Daejeo1 | any help? |
| 12:09.51 | itchi | b0red: I did for my test sed s/want,/wanted,\\n/ testFile |
| 12:10.08 | wols_ | Daejeo1: what version of debian? |
| 12:10.09 | itchi | b0red: Reverse it |
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| 12:11.01 | Cholito | is the dpkg admin here? |
| 12:11.03 | waspius | hello..does anyone know how i can fix the tapping and scrolling on my touchpad |
| 12:11.07 | wols_ | Daejeo1: if you run at least sarge, you find available kernels with apt-cache search kernel-image |grep 2.6 |
| 12:11.29 | Cholito | waspius, the mousepen thing? |
| 12:11.30 | Daejeo1 | wols_: how can i check the version? |
| 12:11.43 | waspius | Cholito: the mouse thing yes |
| 12:11.44 | b0red | itchi, im doing sed -n '/abc/,/xyz/{/abc/d;/xyz/d;p;}' to print what between abc and xyz in a file.. but i want to remove teh newlines.. |
| 12:11.58 | Daejeo1 | i only know uname -a will tell about kernal |
| 12:12.02 | wols_ | Daejeo1: dpkg -l libc |
| 12:12.05 | wols_ | Daejeo1: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 12:12.11 | Cholito | waspius, I have it working, but buttons on the pen doesn't work quite right |
| 12:12.25 | wols_ | that tells you the libc version which is a good indicator. there is also cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:12.37 | wols_ | and everytime you log in at console it tes you what vesion it is |
| 12:13.19 | Cholito | wols_, german? |
| 12:13.21 | Daejeo1 | 3.1 |
| 12:13.26 | wols_ | Cholito: yes |
| 12:13.28 | itchi | b0red: A big guess; sed -n '/abc/,/xyz/{/abc\\n/d;/xyz\\n/d;p;}' nah, i know to less about it :-s |
| 12:13.47 | Cholito | ich fliege morgen nach linz =P (done with german...easy) |
| 12:13.53 | wols_ | !de |
| 12:13.54 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:14.10 | Daejeo1 | i also need sourcw |
| 12:14.14 | Cholito | I said "done with german"...... |
| 12:14.16 | Daejeo1 | source |
| 12:14.17 | Cholito | grrrrr |
| 12:14.35 | wols_ | apt-cache search kernel-source|grep 2.6 |
| 12:14.54 | itchi | b0red: Sorry, can not help you :-s |
| 12:15.09 | Cholito | waspius, yours work at all? |
| 12:15.23 | wols_ | Cholito: last but not least, debian can also use vannilla kernel.org source easily |
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| 12:15.35 | Cholito | ?? |
| 12:15.42 | wols_ | Daejeo1: can you explain in more detail what you want to do and why? |
| 12:15.49 | Cholito | that wasn't for me right? |
| 12:16.00 | wols_ | nope. not for you. nick complete |
| 12:16.09 | wols_ | +brain fart |
| 12:16.18 | Cholito | lol |
| 12:16.32 | Daejeo1 | wols_: I want to install asterisk |
| 12:16.50 | Daejeo1 | wols_: so i need certain packages |
| 12:18.11 | wols_ | debian comes with asterisk already, so everything you'd need should be available this way automatically |
| 12:18.35 | wols_ | if you need to compile a new kernel module for driving some phone interface card or something, you need kernel headers, not kernel source |
| 12:19.16 | Daejeo1 | wols_: how can I install asterisk? |
| 12:19.17 | heh_v_water | wols_, it isnt, he requires the zaptel kernel module |
| 12:19.28 | wols_ | Daejeo1: man apt-cache |
| 12:19.41 | wols_ | heh_v_water: isn't what? |
| 12:19.53 | wols_ | Daejeo1: and of course man apt-get |
| 12:19.54 | heh_v_water | wols_, nvm i missed a line there hehe |
| 12:20.08 | Daejeo1 | man apt-get install asterisk ? |
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| 12:20.21 | wols_ | man apt-get |
| 12:20.29 | Daejeo1 | sorry |
| 12:20.40 | wols_ | knowing how to install stuff is kinda basic knowledge |
| 12:20.43 | itchi | !fish |
| 12:20.43 | dpkg | [fish] FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 12:20.57 | heh_v_water | Daejeo1, long before you ever get to asterisk, it appears you need to learn the basics of debian, asterisk can be extremely overwhelming to even a seasoned Linux user |
| 12:21.09 | wols_ | !tell Daejeo1 about grounding |
| 12:21.12 | Daejeo1 | wols_: i am new |
| 12:21.20 | zamuro | Oh really?? |
| 12:21.29 | zamuro | Just realized you are |
| 12:21.38 | wols_ | Daejeo1: we can tell, don#t worry. but heh_v_water is right, asterisk is quite an advanced thing |
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| 12:22.46 | Cholito | is the dpkg admin here? |
| 12:22.49 | Cholito | =/ |
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| 12:23.08 | Daejeo1 | wols_: how can I install the asterisk ? |
| 12:23.14 | itchi | Cholito: Ask dondelelcaro |
| 12:23.19 | wols_ | Cholito: why? I've seen dondelelcaro here today, yes |
| 12:23.28 | wols_ | Daejeo1: man apt-get |
| 12:23.29 | Cholito | thanks |
| 12:23.43 | Cholito | wols_, because I have some questions about it.... |
| 12:23.43 | itchi | Daejeo1: Fish?? :-p |
| 12:23.46 | wols_ | that WILL tell you. and dpkg messaged you some pointers where to start with debian |
| 12:24.09 | wols_ | Cholito: I doubt he will look favourably on those questions when you could pose them in channel |
| 12:24.43 | Cholito | it's not debian related |
| 12:24.49 | wols_ | since he doesn't want you to mssage him, you have to ask in the chanel anyways, so why wait and not ask right away |
| 12:25.08 | wols_ | we still answer if we know. and dpkg has no channel of its own |
| 12:25.09 | Cholito | because this is not the right channel |
| 12:25.11 | Daejeo1 | wols_: can u tell the command? |
| 12:25.19 | wols_ | Daejeo1: man apt-get |
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| 12:25.27 | wols_ | and if you ask me one more time I will put you on ignore |
| 12:25.31 | Cholito | wols_, but there is a #debian-bots |
| 12:25.51 | Cholito | wols_, the ignore thing is to me? |
| 12:25.57 | wols_ | it is to Daejeo1 |
| 12:26.03 | Cholito | oh, sorry :) |
| 12:26.08 | wols_ | if he is too lazy to do his work, I am NOT gonna do it for him |
| 12:26.19 | itchi | nah, where's my ask button? :-s |
| 12:26.33 | wols_ | itchi: ask dpkg. it knows everything |
| 12:26.40 | Cholito | (s)he should use windows again =P |
| 12:26.53 | itchi | wols_: Shuuut, was just a joke ;-) |
| 12:27.02 | Cholito | lol |
| 12:27.02 | wols_ | he should buy a cheapo VoIP capable router where he can connect his phones to |
| 12:27.06 | Daejeo1 | wols_: I am not lazy . just think when u started to learn about linux things |
| 12:27.22 | wols_ | Daejeo1: I read. then I read some more. and lastly I still read today |
| 12:27.37 | wols_ | we told you where to look. since you ignore it, yes you are very very lazy |
| 12:27.39 | itchi | Daejeo1: s/u/you/ |
| 12:27.42 | wols_ | now sod off and read |
| 12:27.44 | wols_ | !u |
| 12:27.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:28.51 | Daejeo1 | wols_: it is litlle bit hard to make the things run in the early stage |
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| 12:29.26 | itchi | Daejeo1: Maybe you not know about the /msg dpkg search Kinda useful |
| 12:29.28 | wols_ | didn't you want to say: "it is very hard to read documentations cause I'm lazy and want to be spoonfed" |
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| 12:30.14 | wols_ | itchi: someone who doesn't even know apt-cache or apt-get but wants to install asterisk: imho that won't be a happy ending |
| 12:30.21 | wols_ | unless he pays someone to set it up |
| 12:30.28 | itchi | yeah! |
| 12:30.31 | cydork | !beer wols_ |
| 12:30.43 | cydork | wols_: :) |
| 12:30.47 | itchi | Daejeo1: What about payed support? |
| 12:30.49 | wols_ | besides: unless you need an enterprise grade PBX, asterisk is overkill and overpriced compared to aforementioned VoIP routers |
| 12:31.02 | wols_ | a interface card alone costs probably as much as one of those routers |
| 12:31.10 | itchi | Daejeo1: You can get a very nice afternoon, for not so expensif |
| 12:31.32 | wols_ | and those cheapo routers now even run asterisk themselves if you mod them |
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| 12:32.44 | wols_ | but no debian :( |
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| 12:33.46 | zamuro | ?? |
| 12:33.58 | zamuro | When did Debian Stopped to be Linux? |
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| 12:34.50 | wols_ | the router runs linux but it doesn't run debian |
| 12:35.06 | wols_ | and: since there is debian/bsd of course. even when it's dying |
| 12:35.15 | sidjster | if you have a router that runs linux thats bad ass |
| 12:35.27 | jelly | sidjster: ? |
| 12:35.41 | wols_ | nah, that's normal by now. all the consumer routers worht at least 5c do |
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| 12:35.58 | itchi | sidjster: Sorry but try this /msg dpkg shit |
| 12:36.00 | wols_ | what _is_ bad ass about them is they are very moddable and you can connect normal phones to the router directly |
| 12:36.05 | sidjster | id say your router routs information to you pc which is running linux |
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| 12:36.22 | jelly | cheaper than licensing VxWorks or something |
| 12:36.26 | wols_ | well, right now my PC runs windows and the router runs linux :P |
| 12:36.38 | cydork | wols_: openwrt?? |
| 12:36.53 | wols_ | jelly: depends. linksys changed their wrt54gs to vcworks. it must be cheaper or they wouldn't have done it |
| 12:36.58 | wols_ | so vxworks is cheaper |
| 12:37.27 | wols_ | cydork: no. it's a fritzbox OWM by AVM. openwrt has no direct phone capability out of the box |
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| 12:37.44 | jelly | wols_: maybe they got scared of Vorpal sword wielding GPL enforcing lawyers |
| 12:37.50 | wols_ | you could run asterisk but you can't connect it to POTS or ISDN directly or attach phones to it. ine can |
| 12:38.00 | cydork | wols_: aah ok.. |
| 12:38.12 | wols_ | jelly: considering linksys made millions BECAUSE it ran linux: I doN#t think so |
| 12:38.24 | wols_ | the firmware was fully open anyways by now |
| 12:38.41 | ebw | Is there a tool to convert bmp to pbm ? |
| 12:38.51 | wols_ | imagemagick most probably can |
| 12:38.58 | wols_ | man convert then |
| 12:39.02 | ebw | thanks |
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| 12:41.00 | waspius | hello..what do i need to do so i can access my external hard drive and my windows partition? |
| 12:41.01 | ebw | How can I find out about the section a package is in with a command line tool? |
| 12:41.04 | solars | I get an error extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" when trying to start beryl, does anyone know what causes this? I have load "glx" in my xorg.conf, nvidia module is loaded.. |
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| 12:41.21 | wols_ | solars: no openGL |
| 12:41.37 | wols_ | solars: do you have hardware accelerated openGL? |
| 12:41.58 | wols_ | ebw: man apt-cache |
| 12:42.08 | wols_ | ebw: aptitude is probably showing it too |
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| 12:43.07 | ebw | wols_: ok so imagemagick is not in non-free? |
| 12:43.20 | wols_ | imagemagick is in main last I looked |
| 12:43.21 | solars | wols_, how do I enable it then? |
| 12:43.23 | wols_ | why non-free? |
| 12:43.37 | wols_ | !tell solars about nvidia onliner |
| 12:43.44 | wols_ | !tell solars about nvidia oneliner |
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| 12:43.51 | inad922 | hello |
| 12:44.15 | wols_ | !info imagemagick |
| 12:44.20 | dpkg | imagemagick: (Image manipulation programs), section graphics, is optional. Version: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.14 (sid), Packaged size: 721 kB, Installed size: 3156 kB |
| 12:44.24 | ebw | wols_:I refine my question, I want to figure out, if a package is in non-free or not. non-free is not mentioned by apt-cache show imagemagick, aptitude show imagemagick |
| 12:44.36 | inad922 | any1 knows if the madwifi module is compiled into the weekly etch iso`s kernel? |
| 12:44.37 | ebw | So I think it's not non-free. |
| 12:44.59 | cahoot | ebw: if for some reason IM isn't there you can use netpbm |
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| 12:45.38 | solars | wols_, I already installed those things, loaded the nvidia module, configured the xorg.conf.. |
| 12:45.43 | ebw | I only want to know if there is an easy command-line way to figure out if a particular packages is non-free e.g. imagemagick |
| 12:45.49 | wols_ | ebw: apt-cache show unrar |
| 12:46.04 | wols_ | and you will see it clearly says "Section: non-free/utils" |
| 12:46.08 | ebw | Cool. |
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| 12:46.10 | ebw | Thanks |
| 12:46.26 | EdLin | !any1 |
| 12:46.26 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 12:46.29 | wols_ | solars: do you have hardware accelerated opengl then? |
| 12:47.01 | wols_ | inad922: unlikely |
| 12:47.22 | inad922 | y is it in non-free anyways? |
| 12:47.28 | inad922 | isnt it an open source project |
| 12:47.38 | inad922 | though its well documented so its unlikely :) |
| 12:47.40 | solars | wols_, mh I dunno, its a gf 6600gt |
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| 12:48.19 | queuetue | Hi. Three times now, I've downloaded a i386 netinst cd from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and my amd64 box refuses to boot it. Could something be wrong with the isos? Other distros are booting fine from the cd, after being downloaded and burned with the same tools... |
| 12:48.32 | inad922 | que |
| 12:48.38 | inad922 | there are amd64 inst cds |
| 12:48.47 | inad922 | y dont you download those? |
| 12:48.54 | EdLin | !y |
| 12:48.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 12:48.56 | wols_ | inad922: it's not. its HAL is binary only. DFSG violation |
| 12:49.15 | EdLin | inad922: there are no official Sarge AMD64 CDs. |
| 12:49.37 | wols_ | queuetue: most likely your hardware isn't supported by the debian kernel which is most probably 2.6.8 or even 2.4.x |
| 12:49.42 | inad922 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 12:49.48 | cahoot | queuetue: doesn't even start to boot? |
| 12:49.51 | inad922 | its the testing release for amd64 |
| 12:49.53 | EdLin | inad922: that's not Sarge |
| 12:49.55 | queuetue | inad922: I've also tried the ia64 iso - it also will not boot. The CDs aren't even registering as bootable, it jumps straight to the HD. |
| 12:49.58 | inad922 | well no |
| 12:50.00 | inad922 | :) |
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| 12:50.11 | queuetue | cahoot: yes, it's as though no bootable CD is even present. |
| 12:50.20 | pokachaha | does anyone know if there is a fast way to delete a folder with lots of subfolders and files 'rm -rf' takes way too long... |
| 12:50.22 | wols_ | queuetue: IA64 is intanium. not your athlon64 |
| 12:50.23 | EdLin | queuetue: ia64 will never work on PCs, it's for Itanium |
| 12:50.36 | EdLin | !wols_++ |
| 12:50.40 | solars | wols_, it just says GLX missing on display 0:0, root display is not a gl visual |
| 12:50.42 | queuetue | Oh, ok, then that was dumb of me. :) But i386 should work fine, shouldn't it? |
| 12:50.48 | inad922 | Y would any1 use sarge anyways its way outdated |
| 12:50.59 | EdLin | inad922: servers |
| 12:51.01 | wols_ | solars: last time: do you have hardware accelerated OPenGL? |
| 12:51.11 | queuetue | inad922: Because the bulk of the docs out there tell you how to use it. :) |
| 12:51.11 | EdLin | !y |
| 12:51.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 12:51.14 | wols_ | that has nothing to do if it's a "gl visual" |
| 12:51.15 | EdLin | !any1 |
| 12:51.15 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 12:51.42 | EdLin | inad922: the floggings will continue until moralle improves |
| 12:51.45 | inad922 | yea ok you might be right |
| 12:52.04 | pokachaha | does anyone know if there is a fast way to delete a folder with lots of subfolders and files 'rm -rf' takes way too long... |
| 12:52.05 | Ronin | umm stability, security etc. little things like that i suspect inad922 |
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| 12:52.10 | queuetue | wols_: EdLin: The i386 image should boot fine on an athlon64, shouldn't it? |
| 12:52.14 | Ronin | pokachaha: be patient? :) |
| 12:52.20 | inad922 | Edlin is a bot btw? :) |
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| 12:52.25 | wols_ | Ronin: but it's so sloooow. and OLD. and there is no shiny! |
| 12:52.25 | EdLin | queuetue: maybe it's some other incompatibility |
| 12:52.31 | pokachaha | : |
| 12:52.39 | Ronin | wols_: heh |
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| 12:52.45 | wols_ | queuetue: yes. but: if you use 2.6.8 on e.g. some very new mainboard, it might not boot |
| 12:52.52 | moshii | pokachaha: put an & at the end of the line and get one with something while it's working |
| 12:52.56 | EdLin | queuetue: I'm thinking you have a very new motherboard, in which case, you may very well try the daily testing image. |
| 12:53.02 | wols_ | queuetue: and how did you start the install. what did you enter at the boot prompt? |
| 12:53.33 | queuetue | wols_: No install started - the cd was completely ignored when I booted with it in the drive. Other bootable cds work as expected. |
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| 12:53.44 | wols_ | EdLin: another possibility is he simply used the 2.4 kernel which most probably won#t work on athlon64 mobos |
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| 12:54.08 | wols_ | queuetue: then how did you burn it? and did the optical drive at least spin up on bootup? |
| 12:54.09 | solars | wols_, I don't know how to check that |
| 12:54.10 | EdLin | wols_: that's also a possibility. |
| 12:54.16 | wols_ | solars: glxinfo |
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| 12:54.32 | wols_ | or the old and dirty way with glxgears :P |
| 12:54.34 | solars | wols_, where in which package is that included ? |
| 12:54.37 | EdLin | brb |
| 12:54.48 | wols_ | !tell solars about search |
| 12:55.00 | queuetue | wols_: Yes, the drive spins on boot, and goes straight to the HD. I burned it on a mac with Toast Titanium, then again on the mac using the built-in GUI tool. |
| 12:55.23 | wols_ | and you burnt it as image or ISO? |
| 12:55.45 | wols_ | e.g. tell me a filename on the CD |
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| 12:56.50 | queuetue | wols_: 'README.html' |
| 12:56.51 | solars | wols_, glxinfo just tells me the same, glx mmissing on display .. nothing about hardware accelerated opengl |
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| 12:56.59 | wols_ | queuetue: sounds good then |
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| 12:57.13 | stoned | solars: which driver? |
| 12:57.14 | wols_ | solars: if that's the case then something is not installed right |
| 12:57.20 | wols_ | solars: nvidia |
| 12:57.26 | solars | stoned, nvidia |
| 12:57.29 | solars | hm |
| 12:57.30 | wols_ | most probably something about libGL |
| 12:57.41 | stoned | solars: installn nvidia-glx ? |
| 12:57.42 | queuetue | EdLin: Where can I find the daily testing iso? |
| 12:58.15 | solars | stoned, is already installed |
| 12:58.19 | stoned | solars: if you have it already, modify xorg.conf and load module glx and disable module dri and disable module GLcore |
| 12:58.22 | wols_ | queuetue: read topic |
| 12:58.36 | stoned | solars: just comment them out |
| 12:58.36 | wols_ | queuetue: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:59.12 | queuetue | wols_: Sorry, and thanks. |
| 12:59.12 | wols_ | queuetue: use weekly built images or netinstall |
| 12:59.15 | stoned | queuetue: which motherboard do you have? |
| 13:00.01 | solars | stoned, ah, seems as if dri was blocking it |
| 13:00.06 | queuetue | stoned: An asus, about 1 year old - ABN-E, i think it says on it. |
| 13:00.14 | stoned | hmm |
| 13:00.21 | solars | stoned, I enabled dri because it was mentioned in a tutorial |
| 13:00.27 | waspius | in order to mount my external harddrive do i need to edit fstab? |
| 13:00.27 | queuetue | wols_: Not the daily, the weekly? |
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| 13:00.54 | stoned | queuetue: you're on the right track. You need a kernel later than 2.6.8 |
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| 13:01.28 | stoned | solars: dri is bad mmkay |
| 13:01.29 | waspius | anyone?? |
| 13:01.48 | stoned | waspius: no |
| 13:01.59 | EdLin | !2.6.17 stable |
| 13:02.03 | waspius | stoned: so what do i need to do? |
| 13:02.23 | aidehua_ | I want a program that delivers mail into a maildir. |
| 13:02.29 | EdLin | poo, there *is* a non-official stable CD built with an alternate kernel. |
| 13:02.29 | solars | stoned, thanks :) |
| 13:02.39 | stoned | waspius: man mount, mount -t FSTYPE_here -o options,if,any /target /mountpoint |
| 13:02.48 | aidehua_ | ...but I'd like it to be able to optionally deliver some mail as "read" (i.e. not "new"). |
| 13:02.50 | wols_ | queuetue: same thing for you. won't really matter |
| 13:03.06 | waspius | stoned: do i do the same for the windows partition or do i edit in that case fstab? |
| 13:03.10 | stoned | solars: yup |
| 13:03.21 | stoned | !tell waspius about ntfs |
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| 13:03.46 | waspius | stoned: thanx |
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| 13:04.16 | stoned | mount -t ntfs -o ro,owner,users,umask=0222 /dev/disk#here /where/you/want/to/mount/it |
| 13:04.21 | stoned | something like that anyway |
| 13:04.25 | stoned | but read the man page |
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| 13:04.50 | inad922 | Where can I find the kernel`s config file on a bootcd? |
| 13:04.59 | cokeslut | ok |
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| 13:06.06 | wols_ | inad922: don't think you can |
| 13:06.21 | wols_ | it must be in the kernel.deb of course |
| 13:06.23 | wols_ | but that's hard to unpack I guess |
| 13:06.34 | inad922 | well then how can I tell if a module is compiled into the kernel thats with the bootcd? |
| 13:06.44 | inad922 | umm |
| 13:06.50 | inad922 | there is no kernel.deb |
| 13:06.59 | inad922 | or kernel image or anything like that |
| 13:07.02 | Rprp | http://rafb.net/p/9FbBhE35.html <-- Whats wrong? apt-get is broken? |
| 13:07.07 | wols_ | then look into the base tarball |
| 13:07.15 | wols_ | maybe it's in there under /boot/config* |
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| 13:07.35 | cahoot | inad922: maybe here: http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ |
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| 13:07.52 | SmokeyD | msg dpkg no public key |
| 13:08.19 | stoned | base-config.udeb |
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| 13:08.28 | EdLin | SmokeyD: /msg |
| 13:08.31 | SmokeyD | yeah |
| 13:08.33 | inad922 | thx cahoot it mught help |
| 13:08.34 | SmokeyD | I know |
| 13:08.38 | SmokeyD | :) thanks |
| 13:08.39 | SmokeyD | typo |
| 13:08.40 | EdLin | !thx |
| 13:08.40 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 13:08.53 | EdLin | SmokeyD: yup |
| 13:09.00 | cahoot | EdLin: persistent |
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| 13:09.04 | WuPeak | some one here who could help me with a postfix problem? http://phpfi.com/209043 |
| 13:09.21 | EdLin | cahoot: the floggings will continue until moralle improves! |
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| 13:10.03 | cahoot | EdLin: keep up the good work |
| 13:10.12 | EdLin | cahoot: np. |
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| 13:10.20 | Rprp | http://rafb.net/p/9FbBhE35.html <-- Whats wrong? apt-get is broken? |
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| 13:10.48 | WuPeak | no one who could help with postfix, mysql? |
| 13:11.13 | EdLin | Rprp: you're not using apt-get in another task? |
| 13:11.22 | EdLin | (or aptitude, synaptic, etc) |
| 13:11.34 | SmokeyD | But why I came: I am running debian unstable with 2.6.18-4-686 kernel and udev 0.105-1. Everytime I boot my machine, all device files are created with the owner root:root and chmod 660 |
| 13:11.37 | Rprp | Uh, I mean, how can i 'fix' that error :p |
| 13:11.54 | EdLin | Rprp: if you're running another instance of apt, its not an error. |
| 13:12.08 | SmokeyD | I don't know how to solve this. I can always manually chmod/chown them, but that is not how it should be :) |
| 13:12.10 | Rprp | Umh, i think i did broke it, yesterday it was working :p |
| 13:12.25 | EdLin | Rprp: broke it doing what? |
| 13:12.56 | Rprp | cancel an 'install' operation :/ (it was installing... i did ctrl+c :/) (Sorry for bad english btw :() |
| 13:13.10 | SmokeyD | my postgres server won't start because of this and screen won't start as a normal user either |
| 13:13.26 | EdLin | Rprp: control-C should work... maybe there's a lock file somewhere that needs deleting. |
| 13:13.45 | Rprp | hmm, how can i find it? |
| 13:13.56 | EdLin | Rprp: /var/lock? |
| 13:14.18 | EdLin | Rprp: another possibility is /var/run |
| 13:14.46 | Rprp | http://rafb.net/p/YBShZs58.html <-- its not in /var/lock btw |
| 13:15.41 | EdLin | Rprp: I've got to get ready for work. Try googling for that error message. |
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| 13:16.54 | SmokeyD | see http://channels.debian.net/paste/5520 |
| 13:17.11 | SmokeyD | for the /dev/null entries in /etc/udev files |
| 13:17.33 | SmokeyD | /dev/null is also created with 660 root:root |
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| 13:18.22 | seshomaru123 | hi - newbie question - how many debian cd's do i need to install a desktop with full graphical interface ? |
| 13:18.59 | Eulex | one, if the box has internet access |
| 13:19.06 | Eulex | 2 or 3 otherwise |
| 13:19.07 | stoned | seshomaru123: what sort of an internet connection are you on? |
| 13:19.17 | seshomaru123 | stoned, lan |
| 13:19.21 | seshomaru123 | cable |
| 13:19.23 | queuetue | wols_: Thanks, the daily booted fine. |
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| 13:19.31 | stoned | seshomaru123: just get the netinst cd image |
| 13:19.58 | stoned | seshomaru123: that contains the debian base system. You can download a graphical desktop in less than 5 minutes round about afterwords on cable internet |
| 13:20.17 | stoned | seshomaru123: I believe CD1 contains gnome on it I'm not positive though, look through the cd contents |
| 13:20.20 | seshomaru123 | im installing now , i downloaded a cd , followed the installer but i didnt get a graphical interface |
| 13:20.31 | stoned | seshomaru123: is the system installed right now? |
| 13:20.54 | seshomaru123 | i just reinstalled it - rebooting now |
| 13:21.22 | stoned | seshomaru123: what graphical desktop do you want? gnome or kde or xfce, simplay " aptitude install kde " or " aptitude install gnome " etc. will take care of installing a GUI desktop for you |
| 13:21.51 | seshomaru123 | but how do i get the sources list? |
| 13:22.08 | seshomaru123 | my /etc/apt/sources point to the cd |
| 13:22.12 | stoned | its in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:22.28 | seshomaru123 | when i try aptitute install anything it says cannot find package |
| 13:22.28 | stoned | seshomaru123: you're on sarge or etch/ |
| 13:22.35 | Ronin | !tell seshomaru123 about sources |
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| 13:23.43 | seshomaru123 | debian - 31r5 |
| 13:23.43 | seshomaru123 | sarge i think |
| 13:23.43 | stoned | seshomaru123: apt-setup |
| 13:24.06 | seshomaru123 | stoned in the apt configuration should i chose http for the archive access method |
| 13:24.06 | seshomaru123 | ? |
| 13:24.17 | stoned | run apt-setup and fix your sources list |
| 13:24.23 | seshomaru123 | ok |
| 13:24.25 | wols_ | yes http or ftp |
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| 13:24.41 | stoned | select your mirrors and thats it, it will comment out the cdrom line |
| 13:25.03 | stoned | i think |
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| 13:25.09 | wols_ | select you're country's mirror |
| 13:25.50 | seshomaru123 | thank you people , i think its going to be ok |
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| 13:26.06 | stoned | yes, you'll live :) |
| 13:26.17 | seshomaru123 | this is a different procedure from all other distros ive installed... |
| 13:26.31 | seshomaru123 | not that ive installed many... |
| 13:26.55 | lotus-blade | can anyone test and see if they can get into my webserver? |
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| 13:27.05 | wols_ | debian is a very network centric distro especially compared to commecrial ones |
| 13:27.05 | stoned | some distros do things for you, some distros ask you to do things YOU want them to do otherwise they don't do them |
| 13:27.13 | lotus-blade | I tried from the college ang couldn't |
| 13:27.14 | queuetue | seshomaru123: Generally, once you've used apt, it will be hard to go back. :) |
| 13:27.20 | wols_ | commercial ones want to sell you a new CD set evrey year. debian doesn't |
| 13:27.35 | seshomaru123 | queuetue, thats something you cant say about yum or yast... |
| 13:27.46 | stoned | !start a distro war |
| 13:27.46 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 13:27.53 | stoned | damn right! |
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| 13:27.57 | queuetue | :) |
| 13:28.11 | wols_ | seshomaru123: we can say. guess where yum and yast got their package downliadng features from? |
| 13:28.24 | zamuro | LOL @ Start a distro war+ |
| 13:28.25 | wols_ | wrt online updates, only gentoo portage is comparable |
| 13:28.34 | seshomaru123 | wols where? |
| 13:28.44 | wols_ | from apt of course |
| 13:28.53 | lotus-blade | strongest dist I have used yet, uses least amout of mem and great |
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| 13:30.07 | stoned | I go from GRUB to X in about 10 sec |
| 13:30.30 | seshomaru123 | btw - anyone knows of a good chinese input system for debian ? scim? |
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| 13:31.26 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/ |
| 13:31.49 | stoned | maybe find something there |
| 13:32.17 | SeicherlBoB | Hi there! I can't write on a specific directory (even as root). The system keeps telling me, that there is no diskspace available. I can write on subdirs and parentdirs and there are 2 GByte available diskspace (according to df). Any ideas?? |
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| 13:32.29 | wols_ | stoned: what daemons do you run? |
| 13:32.30 | seshomaru123 | stoned thanks, |
| 13:32.37 | lotus-blade | can anyone see if they can access my web server? |
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| 13:32.41 | SeicherlBoB | I mean 92GB available diskspace |
| 13:32.42 | wols_ | and no udev or things like that I guess? all "hard configured"? |
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| 13:33.12 | stoned | wols_: not very many, this is my desktop, I have a server for all that stuff |
| 13:33.17 | wols_ | lotus-blade: if it's on the same IP as you are here: no |
| 13:33.30 | wols_ | stoned: I still want to know what you run |
| 13:33.43 | wols_ | tho, gnome/kde are the big timewasters on load |
| 13:33.50 | lotus-blade | nmap says the port is open |
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| 13:33.56 | wols_ | but yes, debian in default install isn't exactly fast either often |
| 13:34.12 | wols_ | is something listening on port 80? |
| 13:34.21 | stoned | wols_: I get to kdm not a full kde desktop, thats about 15 or so sec total with autologin |
| 13:34.23 | seshomaru123 | debian people -thanks for your help ,everything seems ok , apt is doing its thing. all the best |
| 13:34.24 | stoned | which I don't do |
| 13:34.26 | seshomaru123 | bye bye |
| 13:34.27 | lotus-blade | apache is |
| 13:34.39 | lotus-blade | is there a hosts.allow? |
| 13:34.48 | wols_ | lotus-blade: do you have a router |
| 13:34.52 | wols_ | and yes there is one |
| 13:34.54 | lotus-blade | no |
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| 13:36.03 | wols_ | lotus-blade: how did you nmap yourself? if you can nmap yourself you can test the webserver from there yourself too no need for us to check |
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| 13:36.22 | wols_ | if you checked nmap from the machine apache runs on, it's useless what it says |
| 13:36.32 | wols_ | since that would only use the lo interface, not the outside one |
| 13:36.53 | lotus-blade | I get the web server using my ip, but can't get in from outside |
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| 13:37.24 | earthian | Hello, where do I fail a bug report for Iceweasel web browser??? |
| 13:37.25 | wols_ | so the ports are NOT open. you cheked via local interface which is of course always open |
| 13:37.38 | Ronin | !tell earthian about bts |
| 13:37.38 | wols_ | !bts |
| 13:37.39 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:37.42 | wols_ | and report bug |
| 13:37.49 | earthian | I get this: http://www.pastebin.it/2948 |
| 13:37.51 | wols_ | and reportbug as a nice apt-gettable script for it |
| 13:37.54 | earthian | at a random page |
| 13:37.58 | queuetue | I'm performing that testing install, and it's been sitting at 5% "selecting packages" for quite a while - console 5 has a "Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? To Continue, enter "yes, to abort enter "No"" at the bottom - is a problem? |
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| 13:38.45 | wols_ | what warning? |
| 13:38.51 | Ronin | earthian: are you sure its a bug and not something on the page causing it to crash? ie. flash for example |
| 13:39.20 | earthian | Ronin, no because the next time it does not crash and sometimes it crash elsewhere ... |
| 13:39.35 | earthian | however it could be caused by something that appears only sometimes |
| 13:39.35 | queuetue | wols_: There is no warning showing anywhere, just the "do you want to continue" on the console. |
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| 13:40.02 | earthian | Ronin, in any case iceweasel should not crash because of a failty content in a page.. |
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| 13:40.27 | earthian | another variant would be bad memory... what does that segmentation fault mean? |
| 13:40.32 | khaleel5000 | does anyone know a good accouting software (the BOORING real life subject Accouting ) |
| 13:40.34 | wols_ | queuetue: ignore it and move on |
| 13:40.54 | wols_ | earthian: simply "crash". general protection fault, exception 0Dh |
| 13:40.57 | queuetue | wols_: Where do I type yes or no? This is only showing in the console log. |
| 13:41.13 | queuetue | dpkg log on /target shows it was installing eject... is there some way to break this logjam? |
| 13:41.14 | dpkg | queuetue: that's too long |
| 13:41.18 | wols_ | queuetue: go to console 2 and check where it's hanging with ps aux |
| 13:41.19 | wols_ | what process |
| 13:41.25 | earthian | wols_, and it does have nothing to do with my memory, right? ;) |
| 13:41.47 | wols_ | it can. |
| 13:41.51 | earthian | :S |
| 13:42.00 | queuetue | wols_: How would I know which process is hanging? |
| 13:42.03 | wols_ | especially random crashes, but memory usually happens in more than one program |
| 13:42.20 | wols_ | ie not only a browser, except if you mostly/only run a browser on the PC |
| 13:42.32 | earthian | wols_, then its not memory. |
| 13:42.34 | queuetue | aptitude has the highest pid... but that doesn't really mean anything, does it? |
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| 13:42.40 | wols_ | queuetue: usually the last or one of the last processes since that was started last |
| 13:42.50 | wols_ | unlikely it's aptitude |
| 13:43.03 | earthian | games that take up to full ram do not crash if all ok and not program error. |
| 13:43.13 | wols_ | earthian: can't make it worse when you check with memtest86 |
| 13:43.31 | nox-Hand | I am at my school, and apps such as Debian.exe (the un-official Goodbye Microsoft app) won't download through the proxy. In advanced mode I can set some proxy info, yet I might nee to know how to find out what to write? Ideas? |
| 13:43.34 | earthian | memtest does not find anything :) |
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| 13:43.41 | hark | queuetue: there is a problem with the installer currently. Install the rest manually or use tasksel, you should already have the base installed. |
| 13:43.41 | queuetue | wols_: aptitude is the last process, before that is debconf-apt-progress |
| 13:43.43 | wols_ | games are no good indicator: lots of data which doesn't matter if a little corrupted |
| 13:43.51 | wols_ | at most there is a sinle texture that looks wrong |
| 13:44.01 | SmokeyD | ANybody care to help? My device files are not created with the permissions in /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions. Running 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian unstable) |
| 13:44.21 | hark | queuetue: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today .. read the current issues |
| 13:44.25 | wols_ | I would try and kill the progess process |
| 13:44.27 | queuetue | hark: How do I actually exit the install to get to manual so it can set up grub, etc? Should I just reboot and restart the install? |
| 13:44.33 | SmokeyD | Device files get permissions 660 while in udev.permissions it says that they should be 666 |
| 13:44.34 | queuetue | hark: Ok. |
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| 13:45.24 | subopt | Is there anything special i need to do to install Acrobat Reader? I put in a release from last year, and it won't run; just gives me the splash screen and dies. |
| 13:45.32 | hark | queuetue: or don't select a mirror. use it to give you a base install only or follow what's on that page |
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| 13:46.28 | wols_ | subopt: start it from a shell window. maybe it prints something like an error message |
| 13:46.47 | wols_ | btw: what do you need reader for? there are pdf viewers in debian |
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| 13:47.34 | queuetue | Killing aptitude got it to continue, installing grub for me. We'll see if it reboots ok. :) |
| 13:47.45 | wols_ | good luck :) |
| 13:47.46 | subopt | wols_: it doesn't. BTW, this is on etch. Acroread is just soooooo much better than the free readers. I'd buy it if it weren't beer-free. |
| 13:47.57 | wols_ | installing grub is always the hardest part of it. running it then is fine |
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| 13:48.18 | hark | queuetue: install debian-archive-keyring first after an aptitude update |
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| 13:48.44 | hark | subopt: where did you get acrobat reader from? |
| 13:48.55 | subopt | adobe.com |
| 13:49.17 | wols_ | subopt: you must be the first one I see saying a recent version of acrobat is good :) |
| 13:49.26 | hark | subopt: better to use debian-multimedia's one.. /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 13:49.29 | wols_ | it's a piece of shitty bloatware in recent years :) |
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| 13:49.35 | subopt | hark: thanks |
| 13:49.38 | hark | subopt: evince is quite good |
| 13:50.00 | subopt | hark: hadn't heard of that one. i'll check it out |
| 13:51.21 | SeicherlBoB | how can i unmount a hd if the "device is busy" |
| 13:51.40 | queuetue | hark: How do I instruct apt to ignore the missing key so I can update? |
| 13:52.02 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: use lsof to find out whats accessing it |
| 13:52.05 | hark | queuetue: install the keyring |
| 13:53.08 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: thanks |
| 13:53.27 | queuetue | hark: That's what debian-archive-keyring does, right? But it says it's up-to-date, presumably because I can't run the update first. How do I enter a keyring manually? |
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| 13:53.49 | wols_ | queuetue: don't bother. update your sources then install |
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| 13:54.21 | queuetue | wols_: I can't run apt-get update because it fails on the keyring... Am I missing something here? |
| 13:54.32 | lotus-blade | what is a good firewall config tool? |
| 13:54.41 | wols_ | oh. then you need to download it. download it via packages.debian.org if you can |
| 13:54.44 | Ronin | lotus-blade: nano ;) |
| 13:54.50 | wols_ | you can install the .deb then with dpkg -i |
| 13:55.08 | wols_ | lotus-blade: the question is, why do you need a firewall in the first palce |
| 13:55.14 | hark | queuetue: you should be able to run the update, it will just warn you about the key. What key is it asking for? |
| 13:55.26 | wols_ | with firewall it's the same as with sid: if you have to ask about it, you don't need it |
| 13:55.30 | lotus-blade | default install |
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| 13:55.53 | lotus-blade | I think it used iptables? |
| 13:55.58 | samfreed | any1 got an idea why gnome-vino-vnc isn't working on unstable? Where do I go? |
| 13:56.13 | hark | samfreed: bts |
| 13:56.14 | wols_ | lotus-blade: linux uses nothing as a firewall, since it's normally useless |
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| 13:56.16 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: that would be for /home: lsof +D /home ?? |
| 13:56.23 | wols_ | nit every firewall on linux uses netfilter |
| 13:56.38 | samfreed | hark: what s bts? |
| 13:56.44 | wols_ | !tell samfreed about bts |
| 13:57.05 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: try "lsof /home/" |
| 13:57.05 | wols_ | SeicherlBoB: you want to unmount your /home? |
| 13:57.26 | hark | lsof will show quite a lot.. |
| 13:57.36 | petemc | why? |
| 13:57.36 | buscon | Hi, I need base-config command but I'm with etch... how can I do? |
| 13:58.00 | queuetue | Ok, sorry for the false alarm - I was mistaking the warning for failure to update. |
| 13:58.01 | hark | buscon: it's no longer there |
| 13:58.26 | wols_ | hark: yes, but he needs something with similar functionality I guess |
| 13:58.32 | wols_ | buscon: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 13:58.35 | SeicherlBoB | wols_: yes. I need to fsck it |
| 13:58.54 | hark | ah, misread |
| 13:59.05 | buscon | hark, wols_ : I need to config a virtual system that I made up with debootstrap |
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| 13:59.19 | wols_ | SeicherlBoB: remount it read only, THEN fsck |
| 13:59.24 | samfreed | o helpin bts. |
| 13:59.25 | wols_ | then remount it rw again |
| 13:59.54 | SeicherlBoB | wols_: erm... how was the remounting again.. ? ;) |
| 14:00.04 | wols_ | mount -o ro |
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| 14:00.19 | samfreed | no help in bts, q was why gnome-vino-vnc isn't working on unstable? |
| 14:00.33 | wols_ | "isn't working" is kinda vague |
| 14:00.41 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 14:00.42 | SeicherlBoB | but i'd like to only remount my /home (its got an own partition |
| 14:00.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:01.03 | samfreed | main: End of stream |
| 14:01.04 | wols_ | SeicherlBoB: me telling you an answer doesn't absolve you of of manpage reading |
| 14:01.13 | SeicherlBoB | wols_: hehe.. ok |
| 14:01.18 | wols_ | with the pointer I gave you it should be fairly trivial to see how to do it |
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| 14:01.32 | Dewi | that factoid sucks. If anything on my debian system did any of those things, it would be quite reasonable to ask about it in here. |
| 14:01.39 | SeicherlBoB | wols_: no, i know. of course. i know how to read the howtos. i'm just in a hurry. sorry |
| 14:01.48 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: lsof|grep home |
| 14:02.00 | wols_ | just tell mount which partition to remount |
| 14:02.16 | samfreed | ok vncviewer (all I tried) get an immiediate "end of stream". |
| 14:02.17 | Dewi | and if my debian system WAS begging for change on the street, I would NOT come in and ask a well-reasoned, clearly explained question: I would come in and ask "what the hell is going on?" And quite rightly so! |
| 14:02.20 | wols_ | Dewi: the thing is HOW you ask |
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| 14:03.03 | wols_ | contrary to our wishes, no one in here is psychic, so "doesn't work" won't give us any clue what could be wrong with your system |
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| 14:03.32 | wols_ | and if MY debian system would ask for change in the streets, I'd go out and win every AI prize in existence. Loebner Prize here i come! |
| 14:03.33 | SeicherlBoB | ok. i cant remount it, cause its still busy. and lsof tells me, that the bash is using it. great. any ideas? |
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| 14:03.46 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: kill the process |
| 14:03.48 | samfreed | ok, ok, ok, VNC is terrminating with "end of stream". Now, HELP ME! |
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| 14:03.56 | Dewi | wols_: I realise that; I just think it's a crappy factoid. :) |
| 14:04.03 | dukez | i all, any good debian developper here ? i got a question about user/group uid/gid mapping ::) |
| 14:05.26 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: i cant kill my bash?! or can i? |
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| 14:05.27 | Dewi | dukez: this isn't dev; this is support. But ask your question. |
| 14:05.27 | dukez | i need to know if there is any official user/group uid/gid mapping for debian : i got to produce a private daemon package for my company and thus |
| 14:05.27 | dukez | i need to know how to allocated uid/gid :) |
| 14:05.28 | Dewi | dukez: you can give a user or group any ID you want |
| 14:05.28 | wols_ | petemc: first he needs a bash which doesn't have filles open in /home |
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| 14:05.29 | wols_ | killing the shell he runs on is bad :) |
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| 14:05.38 | dukez | Dewi> is it static ? thus can i use for example 777 or 77 or 7 as i like ? or is there any minimal number :) |
| 14:05.41 | petemc | wols_: like a root shell you mean? |
| 14:05.44 | SeicherlBoB | wols_: i think so too |
| 14:05.52 | wols_ | petemc: oops. mea culpa :) |
| 14:06.05 | wols_ | SeicherlBoB: listen to petemc, he's wise |
| 14:06.17 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: ?? tell me more. so su is not enough i guess |
| 14:06.19 | justin | dukez: use adduser --system |
| 14:06.21 | dukez | Dewi> can i use for example 777 in my package preinst script to create the user ? or is there any function to call ? |
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| 14:06.27 | Dewi | dukez: well, normal users start numbering at 1000 |
| 14:06.32 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: right |
| 14:06.35 | dukez | justin> ok i ll lokk for this flag |
| 14:06.44 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: so what can i do? |
| 14:06.48 | dukez | Dewi> it ll be a daemon user so a system one |
| 14:07.01 | wols_ | Dewi: you are confusing permssions with UIDs me thinks |
| 14:07.06 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: log in as root |
| 14:07.24 | Dewi | wols_: he's actually asking about UIDs |
| 14:07.28 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: .... ok. so reconfigure sshd to allow root-connections and reconnect. right? |
| 14:07.38 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: if its remote, sure |
| 14:07.41 | SeicherlBoB | ok |
| 14:07.58 | wols_ | why not just kill the bas PIDs? |
| 14:08.04 | samfreed | Where DO I go for vino/gnome/VNC help |
| 14:08.19 | Dewi | dukez: well, judging by my own /etc/passwd, the various packages have just been assigning them in increasing order from 100 |
| 14:08.29 | dukez | justin> so if i understand normal package like apache in Debian are using static uid/gid mapping. Is there a list of all system uid/gid mapping usd by official package ? |
| 14:08.29 | Dewi | dukez: there might be a debian policy about this somewhere |
| 14:08.55 | Dewi | dukez: but that's what it looks like in my list - packages are taking 101, 102, 103...... and useradd is taking 1001, 1002, 1003.... |
| 14:09.02 | dukez | Dewi & justin> do you know where can i find this policy ? |
| 14:09.22 | dukez | Dewi & justin> i'll use adduserr with --system switch |
| 14:09.42 | Dewi | dukez: it's almost certainly not static, otherwise I wouldn't be seeing such a coherent sequence |
| 14:09.53 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: mhm... where can i allow root-login for ssh again? cant find it in sshd_config |
| 14:10.20 | dukez | Dewi> but for entreprise wide installation, doesn't Debian installation asset that apache daemon user will have the same uid/gid for all servers ? |
| 14:10.21 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: PermitRootLogin yes in sshd_config |
| 14:10.25 | Dewi | dukez: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
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| 14:11.09 | wols_ | dukez: what is your apache uid(gid? |
| 14:11.14 | mr987654321 | hello, for an intel core 2 should i use debian's i386 or amd64 arch? |
| 14:11.14 | dukez | Dewi> i need a static map cause some daemon resource will be shared thourgt NFS :) |
| 14:11.32 | wols_ | and yes, www-data is 33 for me |
| 14:11.32 | Dewi | dukez: have a look at the link I sent you. 0-99 are static, and apache is 33 |
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| 14:11.41 | dukez | my www-data uid is 33 |
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| 14:11.55 | wols_ | dukez: what's your MTA? |
| 14:12.01 | wols_ | that'S 101:104 here |
| 14:12.21 | dukez | postfix |
| 14:12.29 | wols_ | the UID, not the name :) |
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| 14:12.45 | Dewi | wols_: not static. Postfix uid is different between two machines |
| 14:12.48 | dukez | postfix 101:104 |
| 14:12.50 | Dewi | (that I have here) |
| 14:12.54 | wols_ | Dewi: you think? |
| 14:13.02 | wols_ | what's in your place then? |
| 14:13.05 | Dewi | 1) postfix:x:103:104 |
| 14:13.15 | Dewi | 2) postfix:x:108:110 |
| 14:13.22 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: PermitRootLogin yes and ssh restart didnt work. |
| 14:13.25 | dukez | 1) |
| 14:13.38 | dukez | Dewi> do you think i can use 99:99 fo mydaemon safelly ? |
| 14:13.43 | Dewi | wols_: see the policy link I pasted; only 0-99 are static |
| 14:13.45 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: works fine here |
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| 14:14.49 | Dewi | dukez: you'd be safer choosing something in the bigger, higher static ranges |
| 14:14.49 | dukez | Dewi> is there any resource showing the 0-99 map for sarge ? |
| 14:14.54 | dukez | ok |
| 14:15.11 | dukez | Dewi> the 60000-64999: |
| 14:15.16 | dukez | Dewi> range ? |
| 14:15.30 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: my putty keeps telling me "access denied" |
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| 14:15.52 | Dewi | dukez: yeah, I think so. I can't find any of the centrally maintained lists though |
| 14:16.01 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: what does auth.log say? |
| 14:16.02 | dukez | Dewi> ok :) |
| 14:16.14 | dukez | Dewi> thanks for the anwsers :) |
| 14:16.23 | dukez | Dewi> i'll use 64999 :) |
| 14:16.35 | dukez | Dewi> i hope it ll be the last number allocated ^^ |
| 14:16.48 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: error: PAM: Authentication failure for root from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 14:16.48 | Dewi | dukez: somebody else might have had the same idea; I'd choose something a bit random if it was me |
| 14:17.20 | Dewi | dukez: you are unlikely to run into too many problems; it's a big range |
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| 14:17.55 | dukez | Dewi> but for production usage, it would be desastrous if a uid/gid collision appear :( |
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| 14:18.27 | Dewi | dukez: yes, before making a permanent decision it might be wise to email the maintainer of base-passwd package |
| 14:18.37 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: that would indicate you're using the wrong password |
| 14:18.38 | Dewi | dukez: since they are the closest thing we know about to an authority on this |
| 14:18.50 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: the password is right. using su works. |
| 14:18.55 | dukez | Dewi> i'll :) |
| 14:19.03 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: can it be, that there are different passwords for ssh and su? |
| 14:19.12 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: thats unlikely |
| 14:19.24 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: unlikely means possible |
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| 14:19.34 | petemc | anything is possible |
| 14:19.43 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: how would i check that? |
| 14:19.52 | dukez | petemc> using pam stack anything is possible, su can use /etc/passwd and ssh can use ldap for exemple : |
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| 14:20.01 | petemc | SeicherlBoB: im not sure im able to give you the level of support you require, perhaps someone else can help you |
| 14:20.13 | petemc | dukez: thanks.. |
| 14:20.14 | SeicherlBoB | petemc: thanks mate! |
| 14:20.21 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: can you help me? |
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| 14:21.24 | Dewi | dukez: well, good luck with the search for a map/list. I didn't even know debian had such a comprehensive policy on this until now :) |
| 14:21.29 | dukez | SeicherlBoB> check /etc/pam.d/su and /etc/pam.d/ssh are both using common-* includes at first |
| 14:21.41 | dukez | Dewi> ^^ |
| 14:21.46 | dukez | Dewi> thanks for your help |
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| 14:23.03 | n0rus | Has anyone successfully booted debian netinst from a usb stick? |
| 14:23.29 | samfreed | Where DO I go for vino/gnome/VNC help - the client terminates with "end of stream" |
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| 14:23.52 | lotus-blade | is there any easy way to see if there is anything blocking my ports, GUI tool prefered |
| 14:23.54 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: the uncommented lines for su are "auth sufficient pam_rootok.so" and then some "@include " |
| 14:24.19 | dukez | SeicherlBoB> your onl problem with ssh is root login ? |
| 14:24.23 | dukez | only* |
| 14:24.39 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: yep |
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| 14:25.30 | dukez | SeicherlBoB> does /etc/ssh/sshd_config have this line uncommented : 'PermitRootLogin yes' ? |
| 14:25.30 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: that one has a bit more... like those 2: "auth required pam_nologin.so" and "session required pam_limits.so" |
| 14:25.44 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: that line you mean is in there and not commented |
| 14:25.57 | dukez | SeicherlBob> did you change any seeting ? |
| 14:26.06 | dukez | SeicherlBob> did you restart sshd daemon ? |
| 14:26.18 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:26.33 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i did that |
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| 14:26.56 | dukez | SeicherlBob> Hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:27.08 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i parsed PermitRootLogin at the EOF, saved changes and restarted |
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| 14:27.37 | dukez | SeicherlBob> try from the host ssh root@localhost please :) |
| 14:27.53 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i think i found it... wait |
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| 14:28.48 | queuetue | Installing xen on testing, i see xen kernels and xen-vserver kernels... Is one of these the dom0 and one the domu? |
| 14:29.09 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: yep. had a dublicate PermitRootLogin.... one for no and one for yes.... didnt see it in the file before |
| 14:29.22 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: too stupid ;) |
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| 14:29.51 | dukez | SeicherlBob> no pbrlm, that's good if you found the solution by yourself :) |
| 14:30.37 | SeicherlBoB | ok... I still cant remount the drive cause its still busy although there are no files open... any ideas? |
| 14:31.02 | SeicherlBoB | oh... unmounting helps... sorry |
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| 14:31.14 | dukez | ^^ |
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| 14:32.19 | SeicherlBoB | can i loose files using fsck ? |
| 14:32.32 | SmokeyD | can anybody tell me which standard symlinks there should be from /etc/udev/rules.d to files in /etc/udev? |
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| 14:32.37 | dukez | SeicherlBob> |
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| 14:33.04 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: ?? |
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| 14:33.15 | dukez | SeicherlBob> make a ls -Rli before !!!!! |
| 14:33.25 | dukez | ls -Rli > ls-R.txt |
| 14:33.32 | dukez | to same inode numbers :) |
| 14:33.35 | dukez | save* |
| 14:33.56 | dukez | SeicherlBob> you are working on a crashed drive ? |
| 14:34.08 | dukez | SeicherlBob> did you backep up the file/node association ? |
| 14:34.27 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: no. only one directory is not working (unable to write) |
| 14:34.30 | slowboy | should i set up vpn in my home network? will i see decreased performance? |
| 14:34.49 | SmokeyD | I just need an `ls -l` from /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 14:35.10 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: so what should i do before fsck-ing? |
| 14:35.14 | dukez | SeicherlBob> many files ? will it be hard to move file put in /lost+found to their orignal names ? |
| 14:35.41 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i dont understand that question? sorry |
| 14:35.46 | dukez | SeicherlBob> nothing now. But perhaps you ll get hundreds of files inside /lost+found |
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| 14:35.57 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: ok. thats ok. |
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| 14:36.29 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: will they have the original names? or how can i recover them afterwards? |
| 14:36.43 | dukez | SeicherlBob> no they ll have the inode number as name |
| 14:37.13 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: ok. so i should save the numbers ;) with the command you meant before? ls -Rli ? |
| 14:37.18 | dukez | SeicherlBob> last week i lost a drive and i got 1000+ files under lost+found. Since that day i back up every night file/indoe association for critical data |
| 14:37.19 | Daejeo1 | i need kernel source Linux debian 2.4.27-3-386 ? |
| 14:37.34 | Daejeo1 | how can i install? |
| 14:37.38 | dukez | SeicherlBob> if you can read the drive yes do it |
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| 14:38.35 | SeicherlBoB | ok |
| 14:38.36 | ChaosR | argg, stupid Debian, the etch net-installation won't install, It does not download anything |
| 14:39.03 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: that might take some time... |
| 14:39.31 | dukez | SeicherlBob> yes, it depen on the drive volume ! Perhaps gzip it too :) |
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| 14:39.54 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: 230 GB with 66% usage ;) |
| 14:40.03 | SmokeyD | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.09 | SmokeyD | tried a different mirror? |
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| 14:40.42 | ChaosR | SmokeyD: it does not give errors, atleast, an older just says: doesn't work, and a newer one says: 5% |
| 14:40.44 | dukez | SeicherlBob> stop it and run it one more time with a gzip pipe ! |
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| 14:40.50 | wols_ | Daejeo1: I told you >2 hours ago |
| 14:40.53 | SeicherlBoB | ok |
| 14:40.55 | ChaosR | SmokeyD: it happens with select and install |
| 14:40.55 | slowboy | can i use vpn to let some one have 56k access to my cable internet? |
| 14:41.09 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: ok. |
| 14:41.14 | wols_ | slowboy: with a modem, yes |
| 14:41.15 | dukez | ChaosR> install the minimal system, reboot and then apt-get install needed packages |
| 14:41.18 | petemc | ChaosR: you'll find the stable installer works perfectly well (with older hardware) , it makes no sense to say debian is stupid is a testing installer has problems |
| 14:41.21 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: oh. no need. its finished |
| 14:41.28 | petemc | s/is/if/ |
| 14:41.32 | dukez | ok |
| 14:41.42 | SmokeyD | It has been a while since I did a fresh install of debian, so I don't know it anymore, but did you try choosing another mirror? |
| 14:41.48 | dukez | SeicherlBob> now backup the created file somewhere you ll not run fsck on |
| 14:41.52 | slowboy | so what will running vpn do to the overall internet speed on my side? |
| 14:42.00 | dukez | SeicherlBob> and then run fsck -y :) |
| 14:42.00 | Daejeo1 | wols_: can you talk on the phone? |
| 14:42.01 | ChaosR | petemc: there is always something wrong with debian, atleast, when I use it |
| 14:42.02 | wols_ | slowboy: nothing |
| 14:42.02 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: done |
| 14:42.09 | petemc | ChaosR: so use something else |
| 14:42.09 | slowboy | sweet |
| 14:42.15 | wols_ | Daejeo1: of course I can, why? |
| 14:42.15 | ChaosR | petemc: and I use it ALWAYS |
| 14:42.22 | ChaosR | petemc: I'm on it right now |
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| 14:42.26 | petemc | ChaosR: can you show me your bug reports? |
| 14:42.33 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: whats the y doing? |
| 14:42.41 | wols_ | petemc: all software sucks. that includes debian |
| 14:42.59 | ChaosR | petemc: everything is working as it should, right know, after spending some hours |
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| 14:43.36 | dukez | SeicherlBob> if you don't use -y switch, you ll have to press the Y key for every corrupted block on the hard drive. It can take you an entire week !!!! ^^ |
| 14:43.50 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: hehe.. ok. thanks ;) |
| 14:43.51 | ChaosR | dukez: how do you install the minimal system? |
| 14:44.01 | ChaosR | dukez: it won't install LILO or GRUB either |
| 14:44.08 | wols_ | ChaosR: bootfloppies or so only |
| 14:44.11 | SmokeyD | hmm, but can anybody please paste an ls -l of their /etc/udev/rules.d dir? I lost the symlinks there and need to recreate them. |
| 14:44.17 | wols_ | basically, the smallest ISO you can find on cdimage.debian.org |
| 14:44.20 | dukez | ChaosR> don't install anaything, just the base.tgz :) |
| 14:44.28 | dukez | Me SmeokeyD |
| 14:44.36 | dukez | but i use udev from backports.org |
| 14:44.41 | justin | dukez: base.tgz hasn't existed in years |
| 14:44.47 | ChaosR | could it be that i'm using USB-sticks instead of HDs, that causes the problem? |
| 14:45.05 | SmokeyD | dukez, well, I think it will still help to figure it out |
| 14:45.06 | dukez | justin> ? it is with sarge :) |
| 14:45.08 | wols_ | ChaosR: even for /? |
| 14:45.11 | justin | dukez: no, it is not |
| 14:45.21 | ChaosR | wols_: for everything |
| 14:45.31 | ChaosR | wols_: on my server, atleast |
| 14:45.56 | Daejeo1 | wols_: can u pm ur number? |
| 14:45.57 | dukez | justin> Creating nfsroot for sarge using debootstrap |
| 14:45.57 | dukez | Creating base.tgz |
| 14:45.59 | wols_ | the / on usb could at least make some trouble. initrd is mandatory I guess? |
| 14:46.13 | dukez | it seems that sarge debootstrap is making base.tgz ..... |
| 14:46.22 | wols_ | Daejeo1: you want to call me? I don't think so |
| 14:46.25 | slowboy | whats a good channel for dicussing vpn |
| 14:46.28 | justin | dukez: that doesn't count |
| 14:46.36 | justin | dukez: sarge uses debootstrap, it doesn't COME with base.tgz |
| 14:46.38 | Daejeo1 | wols_: of course i will call |
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| 14:47.03 | dukez | justin> ok sry |
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| 14:47.17 | wols_ | heck you're in korea, I'm in germany |
| 14:47.29 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: ok. first couple of inodes is checked... can somebody hold my hand please |
| 14:47.32 | ChaosR | It is actually quite ironic, everytime I install debian, a bug shows up |
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| 14:48.01 | dukez | his* |
| 14:48.03 | SeicherlBoB | thanks guys |
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| 14:48.31 | dukez | SmokeyD> http://pastebin.ca/374352 |
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| 14:49.29 | ChaosR | anyway, now I'm here, does anyone know a way to compile exes for windows on linux |
| 14:49.38 | vijay | how to get the kernel sources for my Debian etch? i am using 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 14:49.45 | dukez | ChaosR> mingw ? |
| 14:49.59 | dukez | mingw32 - Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler |
| 14:50.06 | Ramattack | hi everybody, if have a network disk box in jobd array each time you mount the filesystem if you add more and more disks and more and more gigas you get more inodes? |
| 14:50.19 | wols_ | ChaosR: search for mingw crosscompiler |
| 14:50.25 | SmokeyD | dukez, thanks a lot, but what I meant is an ls -l of the /etc/udev/rules.d folder. |
| 14:50.34 | dukez | oups |
| 14:50.36 | dukez | i do it |
| 14:50.39 | SmokeyD | I already have the udev.rules file in /etc/udev |
| 14:50.45 | SmokeyD | thanks |
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| 14:51.26 | dukez | http://pastebin.ca/374355 |
| 14:51.57 | SmokeyD | thanks a million dukez |
| 14:52.11 | Ramattack | does anybody know this please? |
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| 14:53.42 | Ronin | again on the inodes? |
| 14:53.48 | valdyn | hah |
| 14:54.18 | Ramattack | yep lol.... I wanted to know that... if I have jobd array... and add disks add inodes too? |
| 14:54.49 | Ramattack | I was wondering how yahoo could do it... |
| 14:55.01 | Ramattack | for example... |
| 14:55.39 | queuetue | I've got a newly-installed testing box, and I've now added some disks forming an lvs-on-raid from another system. /dev/md0 appears and mdadm shows it's running fine, but the lvs is nowhere to be seen. How do I help the new system find the old LVM? (the lvm from installation is showing fine in lvs) |
| 14:55.39 | valdyn | Ramattack: are you assuming that yahoo uses ext3 to store its db? that's plain silly |
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| 14:56.28 | Ramattack | don't know if they're db but they're mailboxes why not? |
| 14:57.01 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: ok. its finished. I got no new files in lost+found. is that good? |
| 14:57.18 | Ramattack | so imagine you're an isp and you have disk cabin... with jobd array.... if you add disks each time you mount that filesystem new inodes would be addedd?? |
| 14:57.29 | dukez | SeicherlBob> mmmmmmm |
| 14:57.40 | queuetue | Ah, after a reboot, all is fine... Good enough for me. :) |
| 14:57.42 | dukez | SeicherlBob> your problem was you cannot write on the device ? |
| 14:57.49 | SeicherlBoB | yep |
| 14:57.53 | SeicherlBoB | noo |
| 14:58.00 | dukez | SeicherlBob> yes / no ? |
| 14:58.05 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i couldnt write one specific directory |
| 14:58.15 | SmokeyD | reboot :) |
| 14:58.18 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i could write sub- and parent-dirs |
| 14:58.23 | SmokeyD | fingers crossed |
| 14:58.24 | Ramattack | valdyn what do you think? |
| 14:58.33 | dukez | ^^ |
| 14:58.44 | Ramattack | I like playing ISP's... |
| 14:59.03 | dukez | SeicherlBob> with root too ? |
| 14:59.12 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: yep. neither nor |
| 14:59.34 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: it said there was no diskspace available |
| 14:59.42 | dukez | SeicherlBob> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 14:59.42 | dukez | sry |
| 14:59.52 | SeicherlBoB | ?? |
| 14:59.52 | dukez | SeicherlBob> quota ? |
| 14:59.59 | SeicherlBoB | no. not insatlled |
| 15:00.02 | dukez | SeicherlBob> this is not afsck issue ^^ |
| 15:00.03 | SeicherlBoB | installed |
| 15:00.17 | dukez | SeicherlBob> partition is full ? do a df -k |
| 15:00.21 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i never set up any quotas. |
| 15:00.28 | Ronin | i think Ramattack needs to stop reading things on teh net and getting worked up is what i think |
| 15:00.34 | SeicherlBoB | df says there are 92 GByte available |
| 15:00.42 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i checked on that before of course |
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| 15:01.14 | dukez | SeicherlBob> sure ? |
| 15:01.22 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: yep |
| 15:01.41 | dukez | SeicherlBob> please paste the ouput of df -k and of a echo "test" > test.txt on pastebin.ca for me pleas :) |
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| 15:02.02 | Ramattack | lol ok then... if nobody know it... |
| 15:02.11 | Ramattack | well folks should go to work |
| 15:02.17 | Ramattack | some customers waiting me |
| 15:02.19 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: no need. its works now |
| 15:02.27 | Ramattack | bye see you!!! |
| 15:02.37 | dukez | ? |
| 15:02.43 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: believe me: /dev/md0 278757632 172346928 92250620 66% /home |
| 15:02.55 | Edward_TLS | how do I tell grub to check that I installed a new kernel so it will put it in the boot menu |
| 15:02.59 | dukez | SeicherlBob> did you do anything ? |
| 15:03.08 | dukez | Edward_TLS> update-grub |
| 15:03.24 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: and it told me i couldnt write cause the disk was full, but i could write in subdirs and parentdirs |
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| 15:03.42 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: now it works. ;) |
| 15:04.03 | dukez | strange .... i don't know. |
| 15:04.20 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: dont care. it works now. fsck worked fine and made my day ;) |
| 15:04.32 | dukez | Perhaps the partition was mounted read only or something like that. Next time check this with a simple mount command to check the 'rw' mode |
| 15:04.39 | dukez | lol |
| 15:04.47 | dukez | i don't think fsck did anything for you |
| 15:04.49 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: i could write on a subdir! |
| 15:04.56 | dukez | Good |
| 15:05.05 | SeicherlBoB | so it wasnt mounted ro |
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| 15:05.33 | SeicherlBoB | dukez: and it did change some inode-bitmaps and stuff. there was some rubish going on. |
| 15:05.44 | dukez | Ah ! |
| 15:05.50 | dukez | So fsck was the solution :) |
| 15:05.57 | dukez | Good to ear it ^^ |
| 15:05.59 | SeicherlBoB | anyway. thanks a lot to dukez and petemc! have a nice day guys! |
| 15:06.03 | dukez | Bye |
| 15:06.17 | SeicherlBoB | byebye |
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| 15:06.36 | shadebob | hi |
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| 15:06.41 | dukez | hi |
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| 15:08.11 | shadebob | I have a problem with a custom 2.6.20 kernel and UDEV 0.56 on my sarge. All my rules are skipped. Syslog say "parse error /etc/udev/rules.d/000-youssef.rules, line 1:34, rule skipped" |
| 15:08.41 | shadebob | where the line is KERNEL=="sdf1", RUN+="/home/test/mon_script.sh" |
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| 15:08.48 | shadebob | someone have an idea? |
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| 15:10.15 | dukez | shadebob> mmmmmmm |
| 15:10.26 | shadebob | maybe I m on a bad way. I want to execute a script on USB Key insertion.... |
| 15:10.43 | dukez | shadebob> use udev from backports.org, your version is too old i think |
| 15:11.06 | dukez | shadebob> add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main |
| 15:11.21 | dukez | shadedbob> add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences : |
| 15:11.36 | dukez | Package: * |
| 15:11.36 | dukez | Pin: release a=sarge-backports |
| 15:11.36 | dukez | Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 15:11.36 | dukez | Package: udev |
| 15:11.36 | dukez | Pin: release a=sarge-backports |
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| 15:11.45 | SmokeyD | :( Kernel is loaded by grub but then the kernel can't find the root filesystem. Maybe I have to specify a new root filesystem instead of /dev/hda1 |
| 15:11.49 | dukez | and apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 15:12.04 | shadebob | thanks dukez, I will try now |
| 15:12.08 | dukez | SmokeyD> initrd/modules problem |
| 15:12.14 | dukez | SmokeyD> i bet it |
| 15:12.23 | dukez | dukez> SmokeyD> using custom kernel ? |
| 15:12.34 | SmokeyD | nope |
| 15:12.45 | dukez | SmokeyD> stable//testing ? |
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| 15:13.06 | SmokeyD | I have had the same problem before when I specified the wrong root filesystem as a kernel parameter in grub config (menu.lst) |
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| 15:13.40 | SmokeyD | so maybe because of the new udev rules the first partition of the first harddisk is not called /dev/hda1 anymore? |
| 15:14.17 | dukez | SmokeyD> i paste the rules from a server using /dev/sda :) |
| 15:14.17 | SmokeyD | or indeed I need to update the initrd image |
| 15:14.57 | SmokeyD | but then, how do I update the initrd image when I can't boot the machine :S |
| 15:15.04 | dukez | SomkeyD> use a live CD :) |
| 15:15.40 | dukez | SmokeyD> mount the drive in /tmp/target for example, chroot in it, and then do a mkinitrd or mkinitram-fs ) |
| 15:15.40 | SmokeyD | yeah, I already booted Ubuntu Live CD, just have to figure out how to update the initrd image |
| 15:15.47 | SmokeyD | ok |
| 15:15.49 | SmokeyD | good idea |
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| 15:16.21 | black_13 | is it possible to listen to real audio streams on debian |
| 15:17.19 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:17.48 | dukez | Everything is possible with debian ! |
| 15:18.07 | Ronin | will it give me the winning lottery numbers? |
| 15:18.24 | Coweater | eventually |
| 15:18.36 | dukez | sure Ronin, the "once upon a time" winning lottery numbers |
| 15:18.38 | dukez | ^^ |
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| 15:19.18 | Coweater | the trick is to build the debian box that generates the numbers and have it send them to you |
| 15:19.33 | dukez | or just man rand.h |
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| 15:22.45 | c00lfon | szarak, Hi friend. ;) |
| 15:23.09 | [FR]dukez | hi c00lfon |
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| 15:28.40 | Flimzy | Are there any tools to create a partial Debian mirror that will take a list of Debian packages, and mirror them, *and* their dependancies? |
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| 15:29.03 | [FR]dukez | Filmzy> sure, some script have been made :) |
| 15:29.15 | Flimzy | [FR]dukez: Are they readily available? :) |
| 15:29.51 | [FR]dukez | sure : http://people.debian.org/~debacle/mirror/#id2453367 |
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| 15:30.25 | pfote | a "possible deadlock in kmem_alloc" error in kernel.log (plus a kernel trace), is that something i have to worry about? http://rafb.net/p/u9NcNj37.html |
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| 15:31.22 | Flimzy | [FR]dukez: thanks |
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| 15:32.22 | mr987654321 | hello again |
| 15:32.47 | mr987654321 | i have figured out that i need an installer with kernel 2.6.20 |
| 15:32.55 | mr987654321 | but testing only has 2.6.18 |
| 15:33.03 | mr987654321 | is there an 'unstable' installation cd? |
| 15:33.12 | Eulex | !custom d-i |
| 15:33.12 | dpkg | somebody said custom d-i was http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
| 15:33.53 | mr987654321 | custom d-i? |
| 15:33.59 | Eulex | mhm |
| 15:34.00 | [FR]dukez | !custom jboss |
| 15:34.05 | [FR]dukez | !custom jboss4 |
| 15:34.06 | [FR]dukez | ? |
| 15:34.21 | Eulex | . . . |
| 15:34.35 | [FR]dukez | mr987654321> why the 2.6.20 ? for drivers ? which kind ? |
| 15:34.48 | mr987654321 | yes, the ide driver |
| 15:34.49 | Eulex | mr987654321, there's no debian installer with 2.6.20, you'll have to create one yourself |
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| 15:35.19 | mr987654321 | it's http://www-gatago.com/linux/kernel/43089567.html |
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| 15:35.25 | mr987654321 | ok |
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| 15:35.41 | damog | somebody knows how I can get konqueror to give the option for archiving on the contextual menues? |
| 15:35.57 | mr987654321 | Eulex: is it hard? |
| 15:36.12 | pfote | no idea anyone? |
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| 15:36.25 | abrotman | damog: #debian-kde ? |
| 15:36.30 | mr987654321 | Eulex: i'll try it |
| 15:36.36 | mr987654321 | Eulex: thanks |
| 15:37.41 | Eulex | mr987654321, never tried it myself |
| 15:37.53 | itchi | When i start some apps i get Floating point exception and the app not start. What's happend? |
| 15:38.17 | Eulex | mr987654321, oh, I just found out about a thing |
| 15:38.20 | Eulex | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 15:38.20 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.20] http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 15:38.36 | damog | abrotman: nah |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:38.58 | Eulex | mr987654321, you might try tha one, if you don't mind installing sarge, then upgrading to etch |
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| 15:39.37 | SmokeyD | [FR]dukez, boy am i glad that the dutch Linux Magazine just did an article about creating our own initrd image :) |
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| 15:40.59 | mr987654321 | Eulex: thanks again |
| 15:42.53 | abrotman | i think if you check WNPP there are jboss packages |
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| 15:44.45 | Edward_TLS | dukez: thanks |
| 15:45.01 | eisen_ | hm, I use vmware server on debian, which works, but on each reboot it forgets it has been configured already. |
| 15:45.20 | abrotman | you'd ask #vmware |
| 15:45.20 | [FR]dukez | no prlbm |
| 15:45.32 | [FR]dukez | ^^ |
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| 15:49.28 | nyty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.28 | nyty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.28 | nyty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.35 | nyty | i need to get unstable version of clamav |
| 15:49.44 | nyty | to stable system wwith 0.87-2 |
| 15:49.47 | nyty | how to do it ? |
| 15:50.15 | petemc | look for a backport |
| 15:50.29 | petemc | clamav is also in volatile |
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| 15:51.14 | nyty | what is volatile |
| 15:51.16 | nyty | i have bug with zips |
| 15:51.18 | nyty | how to fix it ? |
| 15:51.21 | petemc | !volatile |
| 15:51.21 | dpkg | i guess volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 15:52.59 | nyty | ?? |
| 15:53.04 | nyty | petemc can you help me with it |
| 15:53.06 | nyty | i`m lame :| |
| 15:54.14 | nyty | whati must do ? |
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| 15:56.15 | altern | !livecd |
| 15:56.15 | dpkg | hmm... livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 15:56.22 | ma3x | is there shockwave for linux yet? |
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| 15:56.31 | markybob | nyty, you must read |
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| 15:56.57 | nyty | i think |
| 15:57.02 | nyty | but IS IT FIXED in volatile version |
| 15:57.06 | nyty | bug about zips in CLAMAV |
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| 15:58.07 | abrotman | CAPS SUCK |
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| 15:59.07 | ma3x | that's right, don't use it |
| 15:59.10 | _polto_ | hello all |
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| 15:59.34 | nyty | please |
| 15:59.35 | nyty | help me :( |
| 15:59.48 | ma3x | abrotman: I agree caps suck, but why? can you specify a few reasons? |
| 16:00.04 | markybob | nyty, stop pretending like you cant read. go to the site you were pointed to and see what they have. |
| 16:00.26 | nyty | i cant add it to apt |
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| 16:00.54 | markybob | that's descriptive |
| 16:01.07 | _polto_ | i try to configure php4 in apache2 on sarge. then i start apache i get Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-18 configured, but php files are downloaded and not executed |
| 16:01.08 | nyty | what lines i must add to apt |
| 16:01.08 | _polto_ | :( |
| 16:01.27 | markybob | nyty, this is what i'm talking about. if you'd go to the site *clearly* tells you |
| 16:01.28 | nyty | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/volatile/ volatile main non-free contrib |
| 16:01.29 | markybob | damnjt |
| 16:01.33 | Ronin | ma3x: harder to read, considered yelling |
| 16:02.08 | ma3x | ok ron |
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| 16:02.24 | abrotman | _polto_: restart apache, clear browser cache, restart browser |
| 16:02.27 | abrotman | try agian |
| 16:03.01 | ma3x | Ronin: though why are they harder to read? because we're used to read small letters |
| 16:03.12 | nyty | it`s wrong described on site |
| 16:03.20 | sts | where is PERL5LIB usually defined? |
| 16:03.22 | markybob | arg |
| 16:03.23 | Ronin | ma3x: ever read an email all in caps? how much of a pain is it to read? |
| 16:03.25 | markybob | nyty, deb http://volatile.debian.net/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main contrib non-free |
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| 16:05.38 | ma3x | Ronin: that's just because you read it once. Try reading 10 mails a day in caps and you'll get used to it |
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| 16:08.43 | elshaa | Does rsync uses md5 to know what files changed ? |
| 16:08.47 | Ronin | doesnt mean it should be done ma3x |
| 16:09.27 | ma3x | Ronin: yeah. small letters are fine |
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| 16:09.54 | Knight_Lord | elshaa modification time i think |
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| 16:10.02 | cahoot | elshaa: try ldd /usr/bin/rsync |
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| 16:10.58 | elshaa | Thanks Knight_Lord & cahoot . apparently, no link to md5 |
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| 16:11.07 | nyty | version |
| 16:11.11 | nyty | in volatile dont works |
| 16:11.13 | nyty | still :\ |
| 16:11.19 | nyty | problems with .zip |
| 16:11.42 | stew | elshaa: it deosn't do md5s, but it will do md4s if you ask it to (man rsync) |
| 16:11.54 | Ronin | nyty: what problem with zip files |
| 16:12.03 | SmokeyD | dukez, seems like it worked! I extracted the initrd.img with gzip and cpio, added the symlinks in the etc/udev/rules.d folder and cpio/gzipped it up again |
| 16:12.11 | SmokeyD | my system boots again! |
| 16:12.16 | nyty | ronin |
| 16:12.18 | elshaa | ok stew . thanks |
| 16:12.47 | nyty | X-Sagator-LibClamAV: Oversized.Zip |
| 16:12.47 | nyty | X-Sagator-Scanner: 0.7.3-1 at ns.abo.cz; |
| 16:12.47 | nyty | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.47 | nyty | X-Sagator-Status: Oversized.Zip [libclam()] |
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| 16:12.59 | nyty | problem with oversized zip |
| 16:13.01 | nyty | sorry for flood |
| 16:14.48 | Ronin | and you've looked on the bts and the clamav site? |
| 16:15.05 | nyty | yes |
| 16:15.13 | nyty | much of people have problems wit hit |
| 16:15.22 | nyty | it`s fixed in unstable |
| 16:15.24 | nyty | but it`s wrong |
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| 16:17.19 | karsten | !tell nyty about enter |
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| 16:17.42 | Vampisol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwHlbBbZNT4 |
| 16:18.21 | Ronin | think ill pass Vampisol |
| 16:18.27 | nyty | can anyoe help me ? |
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| 16:18.34 | Vampisol | ;) |
| 16:18.38 | karsten | Where if anywhere is the configuration for login failure logging detail set? Eg: logging user who attempted access, which may inadvertantly capture password if someone sends the wrong response to the wrong prompt |
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| 16:19.00 | xand | karsten: maybe in sshd_config |
| 16:19.26 | Ronin | although im curious what that has to do with debian Vampisol |
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| 16:20.17 | xand | Ronin: probably spam/junk/trolling/rubbish ;) |
| 16:20.31 | Ronin | xand: undoubtably |
| 16:21.03 | nyty | if i want to downgrade software |
| 16:21.05 | nyty | what i must do |
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| 16:21.13 | nyty | i have in policy 3 points of software |
| 16:21.24 | nyty | and i want to take it back to 85 from 87, how to please |
| 16:21.30 | markybob | !downgrade |
| 16:21.30 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 16:22.08 | Ronin | not sure if anyone understood what you're asking nyty |
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| 16:22.29 | markybob | Ronin, true. guessing here ;) |
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| 16:22.53 | nyty | i want to downgrade clamav.. because 87 have bug |
| 16:23.25 | markybob | try downloading the debs for whatever clamav version you want and use dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 16:23.32 | nyty | yes |
| 16:23.39 | nyty | but it will have depencies problems :| |
| 16:23.46 | Ronin | not necessarily |
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| 16:24.17 | markybob | or remove clamav all together, remove volatile deb source line, apt-get update and then apt-get install clamav again |
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| 16:24.34 | IndridCold | hi |
| 16:25.15 | IndridCold | Hi, when using smbpasswd it creates the file smbpasswd but then leaves it read only, so it cannot add users when you do a "smbpasswd -a user" |
| 16:25.30 | IndridCold | It just says "Failed to modify password entry for user <user>" |
| 16:25.50 | xand | as root? |
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| 16:26.06 | IndridCold | yep |
| 16:26.11 | bzed | O_O |
| 16:26.21 | xand | bzed: something the matter? |
| 16:26.22 | IndridCold | I su'd from within an ssh terminal |
| 16:26.27 | IndridCold | perhaps this is why ? |
| 16:26.30 | xand | no |
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| 16:26.51 | laser | hi everyone |
| 16:26.52 | bzed | xand: nah, root + read only files does not fill together well ;) |
| 16:26.52 | laser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.17 | IndridCold | tried it from console, nothing :( |
| 16:27.19 | IndridCold | same message |
| 16:27.43 | bzed | laser: why don't you just use nano or vim instead of that mc thing? |
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| 16:28.07 | laser | cuz im used to it. |
| 16:28.08 | xand | IndridCold: does it work if you change the permissions on the file? |
| 16:28.16 | IndridCold | well what I tried was |
| 16:28.17 | fireba11 | laser: in putty you can just copy&paste with the mouse ^^ |
| 16:28.18 | laser | bzed: there must be a way |
| 16:28.20 | IndridCold | I set 777 on the file |
| 16:28.25 | IndridCold | and ran it again |
| 16:28.28 | IndridCold | and it resets the permissions |
| 16:28.32 | laser | there has to be another way |
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| 16:29.12 | bzed | laser: seriously, why bother yourself with mcedit? use nano or vim or any other editor |
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| 16:30.30 | bzed | IndridCold: which file are you talkign about? |
| 16:30.43 | IndridCold | smbpasswd |
| 16:30.56 | bzed | smbpasswd does not create a file called smbpasswd |
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| 16:31.42 | Vampisol | http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=3819618435698830727 |
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| 16:32.01 | Ronin | stop spamming Vampisol |
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| 16:34.05 | Knight_Lord | Is there any place that describes the regexp syntax of emacs. My problem is which characters to escape and which not |
| 16:35.08 | SmokeyD | Knight_Lord, http://www.google.nl/search?q=regexp+emacs&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 16:35.19 | SmokeyD | and that is an emacs question, not debian.... :) |
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| 16:35.37 | infernix | hm, can I fit debian on a 64MB flash NAND chip (see it as a 64MB usb stick)? |
| 16:35.42 | Knight_Lord | SmokeyD I sometimes confuse which is the OS |
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| 16:35.55 | altern | helping about |
| 16:36.00 | altern | build installer |
| 16:36.08 | xand | huh? |
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| 16:36.10 | nyty | please |
| 16:36.14 | nyty | if i installing by dpkg -i |
| 16:36.17 | nyty | do i must remove packages ? |
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| 16:36.28 | nyty | if i downgrading ? |
| 16:37.53 | SmokeyD | nyty, If I understand what you mean, yes you must first remove the newer pacakge and then install the older one |
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| 16:38.31 | nyty | okay |
| 16:38.37 | deadcat | apt-get MD5 mismatch quite alot lately.. |
| 16:38.51 | Flimzy | Is there a package that contains mysql man pages that I'm not able to find? |
| 16:39.02 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 16:39.05 | Flimzy | Or do I need to file a bug against the 'mysql' man page for refering to other man pages that don't exist? |
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| 16:39.32 | eeyore- | Flimzy: mysql man pages? like what, SQL syntax? |
| 16:39.46 | Flimzy | eeyore-: like the mysql_config(1) man page, specifically. |
| 16:39.55 | stew | Flimzy: what pages are missing? are they in other packages that you just don't have installed? |
| 16:40.07 | Flimzy | stew: Not according to p.d.o |
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| 16:40.17 | stew | !find mysql_config.1.gz |
| 16:40.26 | deadcat | is this no good or something? deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 16:40.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql_config.1.gz' (1): (/usr/share/man/man1/mysql_config.1.gz) in libdevel/libmysqlclient15-dev. |
| 16:40.41 | Flimzy | WTF? in a -dev? |
| 16:40.46 | Flimzy | that seems insane. |
| 16:41.08 | Flimzy | and I guess my search at p.d.o was broken, too. |
| 16:41.34 | stew | Flimzy: well the -dev package is the one that contains the mysql_config binary |
| 16:41.45 | eeyore- | Flimzy: what is your bet that mysql_config.1.gz is just a "this page is here because there was no manpage" :-)))) |
| 16:41.51 | Flimzy | I guess mysql_config is for configuring clients prior to install. grr. |
| 16:42.08 | Flimzy | eeyore-: No, it's a real man page. hehe |
| 16:42.24 | Flimzy | Is there no man page that documents the format of my.cnf, et al? |
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| 16:42.53 | eeyore- | Flimzy: i don't know, but it's like any windows config file. you know ... [section]\nname=value pairs |
| 16:43.03 | eeyore- | Flimzy: [mysql], [mysqladmin], etc. |
| 16:43.10 | Flimzy | eeyore-: that's not very helpful :P |
| 16:43.11 | IndridCold | Ah I was wrong ... |
| 16:43.16 | IndridCold | the file isn't read only |
| 16:43.44 | stew | Flimzy: there are at least some good examples in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server[-$version]/examples |
| 16:43.47 | eeyore- | Flimzy: well, the "name" part would depend on the tools ... if you were to do "mysqldump --help", then pretty much the "name" can be any one of the options. |
| 16:43.48 | IndridCold | I'll try editing the file manually |
| 16:43.52 | Flimzy | eeyore-: And BTW, it's not "like any windows config file" I've never seen a windows config file that accepts arguments in the format foo = bar = baz :P |
| 16:44.05 | sts | hello folks |
| 16:44.23 | eeyore- | Flimzy: you haven't looked at .INF file? |
| 16:44.31 | petemc | Flimzy: ini |
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| 16:44.42 | Flimzy | eeyore-: It's not an .INF file. nor a. INI file. |
| 16:44.44 | petemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INI_file |
| 16:44.45 | eeyore- | Flimzy: anyhow, mysqldump --help, at the end, you'll see the variables. those can be listed in the my.cnf file |
| 16:44.53 | eeyore- | Flimzy: yeah, .INI file |
| 16:45.08 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I'm specifically wanting to know valid values for bind-address. mysqldump --help won't tell me that. |
| 16:45.09 | IndridCold | okay I got it, the user has to have a valid account on the system |
| 16:45.11 | IndridCold | im such a noob |
| 16:45.13 | sts | if I have a local debian repository, with packages that should replace official packages, how can i configure apt to assign a higher priority to packages within my repository than in the official repository. |
| 16:45.44 | eeyore- | Flimzy: well see, there you go again :-) you asked generic question then get mad because nobody answered a *specific* answer (which you didn't ask) |
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| 16:46.46 | Flimzy | eeyore-: What you're talking about is only valid for set-variable = lines in my.cnf |
| 16:47.06 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I asked a "generic question" and you gave an inappropriately specific answer :P |
| 16:47.20 | Flimzy | And I didn't get mad. |
| 16:47.27 | Flimzy | I just pointed out the flaw in the answer. |
| 16:47.30 | eeyore- | Flimzy: client bind port is listed in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, in section [client], variable = "port" |
| 16:47.42 | eeyore- | nevermind ... |
| 16:47.44 | eeyore- | overandout |
| 16:47.47 | Flimzy | eeyore-: I know exactly where it's listed... hehe |
| 16:47.51 | Flimzy | I need to know the valid values for it. |
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| 16:50.13 | eeyore- | is there any video playback client under linux that can play back hd-dvd movies? (or, what if it were possible to extract the content, do they support the ... uh ... what, vc1 codec?) |
| 16:50.27 | nyty | okay |
| 16:50.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: mplayer with codecs ? |
| 16:50.34 | nyty | i fixed it, thanks too much to all |
| 16:50.37 | SmokeyD | THis is the mos elegant way I ever fixed a problem ;) udev was b0rked so I just removed the contents of the whole /etc/udev folder, copied the original files from the debian package back, set-up the symlinks with help from dukez and rebooted |
| 16:50.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: the win32codecs package right? |
| 16:50.49 | SmokeyD | of course I forgot to update my initrd.img :S |
| 16:50.55 | abrotman | if marillat has updated that .. but i don't know that he hsa |
| 16:51.06 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'll have to try that some time. thinking about buying the microsoft hd-dvd add-on for xbox-360 |
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| 16:51.20 | tfny1 | Hi |
| 16:51.25 | SmokeyD | booted into a live cd, modified the initrd.img by hand (to contain the symlinks in /etc/udev/rules.d) and rebooted again |
| 16:51.32 | tfny1 | How to check a partition for a "bad superblock" ? |
| 16:51.42 | tfny1 | Because mount doesnt work any more :/ |
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| 16:52.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: buy a house! |
| 16:52.13 | eeyore- | abrotman: *build* a house |
| 16:52.15 | SmokeyD | then created the original initrd.img again from the kernel-image en reinstalled udev so it would update the initrd.img as well, and all is fine again :) |
| 16:52.22 | SmokeyD | Boy do I love open source software:D |
| 16:52.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: and, no, not this year. i'm waiting for the RE meltdown. |
| 16:52.27 | SmokeyD | try that on windows |
| 16:52.28 | SmokeyD | :) |
| 16:52.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: next year! |
| 16:52.34 | petemc | eeyore-: RE? |
| 16:52.40 | eeyore- | petemc: real estate |
| 16:52.44 | petemc | oh, me too |
| 16:53.00 | petemc | northern ireland house prices went up more than anywhere else in europe |
| 16:53.00 | abrotman | petemc: they have houses there? |
| 16:53.05 | petemc | *bam* |
| 16:53.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:53.12 | petemc | :) |
| 16:53.16 | eeyore- | petemc: got popcorn? :-) |
| 16:53.37 | petemc | nah, ive a packet of revels tho |
| 16:53.51 | petemc | anyone want the coffee ones? |
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| 16:54.17 | IndridCold | I take it I don't need a group for every user |
| 16:54.19 | IndridCold | i.e. username "geoff" will be created with a group called "geoff" |
| 16:54.24 | IndridCold | but that's silly |
| 16:54.25 | bingofuel | hello, i can't find adsl-start. Is there an alternative for debian, like pppoe-start in slack? |
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| 16:54.29 | eeyore- | petemc: don't know what "revels" are, lemme see ... are they anything like rollos? |
| 16:54.29 | IndridCold | if I can throw them in a group called "users" |
| 16:54.38 | eeyore- | IndridCold: depends on your policy |
| 16:54.38 | petemc | eeyore-: http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews9762.html |
| 16:54.55 | IndridCold | just a simple samba server |
| 16:55.12 | eeyore- | mmm, chocolate |
| 16:55.45 | eeyore- | IndridCold: in many places there are corporate policy stating something like "we need user-private group as default, make exceptions where necessary" |
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| 16:56.57 | eeyore- | abrotman: http://www.fabprefab.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1231 --- the cladding is a bit much |
| 16:57.29 | karsten | xand: Actually, looks as if it's /etc/login.defs and/or /etc/pam.d/login |
| 16:57.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: eh .. no |
| 16:59.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: if we built something like this we probably would have a hard time selling it around here, buncha rednecks ;-) (hide) |
| 17:00.03 | abrotman | eeyore-: i knowe |
| 17:00.03 | bingofuel | where i can find adsl-start? |
| 17:00.17 | valdyn | IndridCold: what's the point of a 'users' groups when everyone is a user? |
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| 17:00.32 | abrotman | valdyn: windows has one! ... it can't be wrong! |
| 17:00.41 | xand | karsten: oh |
| 17:00.53 | IndridCold | Well (and excuse me if I am wrong) I thought it would be an easy way to generalise regular users of the system |
| 17:01.19 | kelsin | valdyn: some "users" are not "users" and by that I mean "nobody" "mpd" etc, system users that are set up so that they have very limited permissions |
| 17:02.11 | kelsin | so if you have lots of uses, including some services only logging in to do one certain thing, you can restrain them and still give all normal "users" permissions |
| 17:02.29 | eeyore- | IndridCold: depends on what you need. actually if it's samba you might be better off with acl support, also with the nt acl support, and winbind, but that's getting seriously hairy |
| 17:03.01 | IndridCold | eeyore-: yeah im having a nightmare getting user accounts to pass from windows to samba |
| 17:03.10 | IndridCold | \MACHINE\username |
| 17:03.12 | IndridCold | :S |
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| 17:05.35 | tfny1 | How to scan a partition for errors or a bad superblock ? Because since I booted from a win cd, my linux doesnt work anymore with the error that my root partition could not be mounted any more |
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| 17:06.32 | valdyn | kelsin: that's an idea, i don't like it though, i'd rather assign user to groups designated to the service they allow, like 'audio' does etc. |
| 17:06.50 | valdyn | kelsin: mater of preference maybe, the 2nd is just the default in debian |
| 17:07.34 | kelsin | valdyn: definiteyl a preference, I probably stepped in at the wrong moment of a conversation :) |
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| 17:09.39 | eeyore- | IndridCold: active directory? |
| 17:09.57 | IndridCold | No just regular windows XP |
| 17:10.22 | eeyore- | tfny1: did you e2fsck it with alternate superblock? (e2fsck has a flag, -b i think?, to use alternate superblock) |
| 17:10.37 | eeyore- | IndridCold: domain, or no domain? |
| 17:11.05 | IndridCold | no domain |
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| 17:11.29 | eeyore- | IndridCold: /etc/samba/users.map, /etc/smb.conf <- use option "username map" |
| 17:11.33 | xored | how can i make a traceroute, which is not run once, more the whole time and actualizes the pings all the time? like a table |
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| 17:11.45 | valdyn | xored: apt-cache show mtr |
| 17:12.25 | IndridCold | under [global] ? |
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| 17:12.46 | eeyore- | xored: what for? |
| 17:13.08 | sts | where can i change the source package name from apache2-2.3.3 to apache2-2.3.3-sts |
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| 17:14.02 | eeyore- | IndridCold: yes |
| 17:14.24 | IndridCold | I take it I don't need stuff like trust accounts etc for XP users |
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| 17:14.45 | xored | eeyore-: my provider has problems with my connection i want to proove by the tracrt |
| 17:15.11 | tfny1 | eeyore- what do you mean with alternate superblock ? |
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| 17:15.48 | stew | sts: the source package name is apache2 not apache2-2.3.3 ; if you want to append to the version string, you should probably make it something liek apache2-2.3.3sts1 ; the - would mean something different. you can change the version by adding to the top of debian/changelog ; dch makes editing this file easier |
| 17:15.58 | eeyore- | xored: what kind of connection problems? |
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| 17:16.49 | knight__ | is there channel for geda users? |
| 17:16.56 | deadcat | is this no good or something? deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 17:17.33 | deadcat | how can i get my gmail emails via commandline? i dont care about plaintext passwd. |
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| 17:17.57 | sts | stew: like adding a line in the form of: apache2 (2.2.3-3.3sts) unstable; urgency=high? |
| 17:17.59 | xored | eeyore-: ping problems during main "surf time" ( arround 200) |
| 17:18.06 | xored | valdyn: how to "save the output" ? |
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| 17:18.20 | knight__ | !geda |
| 17:18.20 | dpkg | i heard geda is the GNU EDA Project, http://www.geda.seul.org/ |
| 17:18.22 | stew | sts: yes, somehting like that. use dch to add it, the format of that file isn't forgiving |
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| 17:18.40 | Ind[y] | Hello. Which file should I download? |
| 17:18.42 | Ind[y] | http://ftp.softnet.tuc.gr/ftp/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 17:19.10 | sts | stew: but it's pretty kewl. just changing the changelog :) |
| 17:19.25 | stew | indeed |
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| 17:19.32 | sts | mean |
| 17:19.43 | Ind[y] | Please, any help? |
| 17:19.44 | sts | stew: i'll give it a try. thank you. |
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| 17:20.22 | sts | stew: where do i get dch from? |
| 17:20.42 | stew | sts: devscripts |
| 17:20.49 | valdyn | deadcat: with fetchmail or any pop3 command line client |
| 17:21.07 | Ind[y] | Please, can anybody tell me which file should I download, in order to burn it on a dvd that installs Debian? Thanks a lot, in advance. |
| 17:21.08 | Ind[y] | http://ftp.softnet.tuc.gr/ftp/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 17:21.18 | deadcat | valdyn: thanks |
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| 17:21.29 | ma3x | deadcat: hey, long time no see man |
| 17:21.55 | deadcat | ma3x: busy with work and running.. and i figure nothing new lately (= |
| 17:22.07 | ma3x | what you working on? |
| 17:22.16 | ma3x | some deb project? |
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| 17:22.24 | Atheus | hi - i'm trying to build rainbowcrack on sarge, but it's complaining about openssl header files, like openssl/rand.h |
| 17:22.31 | deadcat | ma3x: the cobalt qube3 was the last project. |
| 17:22.42 | cydork | Atheus: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:22.44 | ma3x | deadcat was it you that hates ftp? |
| 17:22.45 | Atheus | the thing is i have already build openssl and i've made a symlink |
| 17:22.51 | deadcat | ma3x: trying to make start a web development firm. (= |
| 17:23.03 | deadcat | ma3x: i dont hate ftp. i just dont use it... |
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| 17:23.07 | Atheus | to /usr/local/sll/openssl/include |
| 17:23.09 | Atheus | or something |
| 17:23.13 | Atheus | the files are there |
| 17:23.19 | Atheus | any ideas? |
| 17:23.22 | cydork | Atheus: check what configure file looks for.. |
| 17:23.28 | ma3x | deadcat: and wlan too :p |
| 17:23.44 | sts | stew: just another question, is there an easy way to integrate debian updates to packages with my changes to packages? |
| 17:24.00 | sts | stew: looks like you know how to build debian packages :)) |
| 17:24.02 | Atheus | cydork: there's no configure |
| 17:24.06 | Atheus | just a basic makefile |
| 17:24.07 | protocol1 | is there another repository other than http://http.us.debian.org/debian/etch (source) that I can use in the United States? |
| 17:24.10 | deadcat | ma3x: i LOVE wlan (=. if its not for wlan. i won be able to host my websites hehe |
| 17:24.30 | deadcat | ma3x: you seen my qube3 yet? |
| 17:24.53 | ma3x | deadcat: nope |
| 17:25.02 | ma3x | i wanna know more about it |
| 17:25.05 | cydork | Atheus: then check the path in source |
| 17:25.10 | stew | sts: is apache2 maintained with dpatch or dbs or cdbs or quilt or one of those patch based mechanisms? |
| 17:25.13 | valdyn | protocol1: run apt-spy |
| 17:25.20 | valdyn | !apt-spy |
| 17:25.20 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your ... |
| 17:25.28 | sts | stew: dpatch. |
| 17:25.37 | deadcat | ma3x: its my server: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/index.php?ALBUM=gallery/qube3 debian 2.6.19. kicks ass. |
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| 17:26.46 | ma3x | deadcat: looks cool, what did it cost ya? |
| 17:26.46 | Ind[y] | Please, can anybody tell me which file should I download, in order to burn it on a dvd that installs Debian? Thanks a lot, in advance. |
| 17:26.46 | Ind[y] | http://ftp.softnet.tuc.gr/ftp/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 17:26.52 | stew | sts: then make your changes with "dpatch-edit-path 99sts" (or something), which will create a debian/patches/99sts.dpatch ; then when tehre is a new upstream version, you'd just have to drop your 99sts.dpatch into debian/patches and echo 99sts >> debian/patches/00list |
| 17:27.03 | deadcat | ma3x: my friend gave it to me. (= |
| 17:27.17 | stew | sts: err make that "dpatch-edit-patch" |
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| 17:27.29 | protocol1 | valdyn, nevermind....I just had to run update a few times to get rid of the repository not found issue |
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| 17:27.39 | ma3x | boy is that a lot of bier in the left corner? |
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| 17:28.15 | deadcat | ma3x: those are apple juice. (= |
| 17:28.45 | ma3x | hehe, I got the same mouse, intellipoint |
| 17:28.55 | deadcat | ma3x: love that thing |
| 17:29.01 | Ind[y] | Please, can anybody answer me? Am I asking something *so* difficult? |
| 17:29.06 | deadcat | ma3x: thats the only microsoft product i love. |
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| 17:29.40 | Ronin | Ind[y]: just look and see for yourself |
| 17:30.02 | Ind[y] | Ronin: I did but found nothing. That's why I am asking. |
| 17:30.21 | markybob | Ind[y], be nice and use bittorrrent. http://ftp.softnet.tuc.gr/ftp/linux/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/bt-dvd/debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 17:30.31 | Ronin | markybob: he wants a dvd image |
| 17:30.34 | jelly | Hi, how does Debian handle phpbb2 db layout upgrades? |
| 17:30.40 | markybob | Ronin, that will give him an image |
| 17:30.46 | Atheus | cydork: checked the source - #include <openssl/rand.h> |
| 17:30.48 | Ind[y] | markybob: for netinst? |
| 17:31.12 | ma3x | deadcat: what are those arrow buttons on the back? and it says debian gnu/linux there |
| 17:31.14 | markybob | Ind[y], do you want a netinst image or a dvd image? netisnt is about 130mb and dvd is around 4G |
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| 17:31.19 | Ronin | Ind[y]: i thought you wanted a dvd image? |
| 17:31.23 | ma3x | what can you do with them? |
| 17:31.27 | Ind[y] | markybob: dvd image |
| 17:31.30 | cydork | Atheus: there is /usr/include/openssl/rand.h ? |
| 17:31.31 | Ind[y] | Ronin: dvd image |
| 17:31.33 | Atheus | monolith:~/rainbowcrack-1.2-src/src/openssl# ls rand.h |
| 17:31.33 | Atheus | rand.h |
| 17:31.36 | markybob | Ind[y], then use the bittorrent file i pointed you to |
| 17:31.38 | Ronin | then do what markybob said |
| 17:31.40 | markybob | Ind[y], it'll download a dvd iso |
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| 17:31.55 | Atheus | am i supposed to be in usr or something? |
| 17:32.14 | tfny1 | eeyore- e2fsck worked, thanks |
| 17:32.14 | ma3x | deadcat: can I take a look at the other albums? :p |
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| 17:32.31 | deadcat | ma3x: be my guest. |
| 17:32.33 | Ind[y] | markybob: I will only need that iso? not another one as well? |
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| 17:32.54 | markybob | Ind[y], odds are that's all you need |
| 17:33.13 | cydork | Atheus: try with #include "openssl/rand.h" |
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| 17:33.17 | Ind[y] | markybob: ok. thanks :-) |
| 17:33.19 | heh_v_water | deadcat, does the lcd display work? |
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| 17:33.36 | sts | stew: WOW! thats genial |
| 17:33.44 | sts | stew: thanks :)) |
| 17:33.45 | deadcat | heh_v_water: ya. i just install the package and patch the kernel. but the lcd is in the back. so it doesnt do me any good (= |
| 17:34.20 | deadcat | heh_v_water: i might setup a mirror someday heheh. it currently shows Debian/GNU linux and the temp. |
| 17:34.23 | heh_v_water | deadcat, yah with the factory OS the LCD was there to show you boot info and any other error notices and stuff I believe |
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| 17:34.50 | Ind[y] | markybob: ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/debian-cd/iso-dvd/ <-- seems I need 2 DVDs :/ |
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| 17:34.52 | Atheus | anyone know if there's arainbowcrack dev channel anywhere? |
| 17:35.00 | heh_v_water | deadcat, qubes are cool as hell I worked on one for the college a few months ago |
| 17:35.09 | sts | stew: one last question :) can i use some kind of compiler cache for dpkg-buildpackage, so I don't have to compile the whole package if i do some little changes to it. |
| 17:35.12 | deadcat | heh_v_water: ya. now i just use a serial cable on my desktop to see all the bootup stuff |
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| 17:35.28 | stew | sts: run dpkg-buildpackage with -nc for "no clean" |
| 17:35.30 | heh_v_water | deadcat, NICE! :) |
| 17:35.32 | deadcat | heh_v_water: ya.. i am glad my friend couldnt get it to work (= |
| 17:35.37 | heh_v_water | ha |
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| 17:36.26 | heh_v_water | deadcat, what version of the installer did you have to use to do that? I mean what architecture |
| 17:36.26 | stew | sts: oh, but if you are editing with dpatch-edit-patch, i dont' think -nc is going to be happy between revisions |
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| 17:37.39 | ma3x | deadcat: it looks like a peaceful county. in the united states? |
| 17:37.42 | deadcat | heh_v_water: i got lucky. its x86. i use the netinstall with netboot |
| 17:37.50 | heh_v_water | excellent |
| 17:37.58 | deadcat | ma3x: ya. california. |
| 17:38.17 | sts | stew: why? |
| 17:38.21 | ma3x | deadcat: a lot of blondes there, huh? |
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| 17:38.43 | deadcat | ma3x: ya. you should check out the cross country folder under 2007 (= |
| 17:39.01 | ma3x | heh |
| 17:39.03 | ma3x | ok |
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| 17:45.41 | sts | stew: are the paches only applied after a make clean? |
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| 17:46.16 | PupenoR | What program would you recommend to download a web site redirected to /dev/null (only for the efect that it has on the web application... making a refresh of some data)? lynx? links? wget? |
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| 17:49.21 | sts | PupenoR: httrack works well. |
| 17:49.21 | stew | sts: i'm not sure, you'll have to experiment |
| 17:49.22 | stew | sts: actually you can just build in the dpatch directory with -nc i gues, then just clean before you exit and create the patch |
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| 17:49.24 | sts | stew: i don't understand. |
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| 17:49.58 | sts | stew: what about using ccache? |
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| 17:50.15 | sts | stew: or sortalike? |
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| 17:57.05 | krix | hey. well i installed a debian etch (well upgraded from a sarge with dist-upgrade) configured everything, net cards, other things. I did this intall on lemme name "computer1" |
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| 17:57.06 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 17:57.07 | krix | actually this computer1 is some temp. computer for my install. I need to put this hdd and this install into computer2 which will operate as real. |
| 17:57.08 | krix | i put the hdd, booting debian etch and i got eth0 errors for that |
| 17:57.17 | krix | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Operation failed. |
| 17:57.19 | krix | like this. |
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| 17:57.41 | krix | well i dont understand whats the problem, because i tried two nic in computer2 (one realtek 8139 and one via-rhine II) |
| 17:57.58 | Daejeo1 | how can I share the internet connection between two debian boxes wiithout using hub? |
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| 17:58.03 | krix | modules are loaded automatically. i see that eth0 found (when i hit dmesg | grep eth0 i see there) |
| 17:58.06 | Azar | did you guys seen Martin's slides presentation on etch? |
| 17:58.13 | Daejeo1 | well I do have mant lan cards |
| 17:58.29 | krix | i think there is some bad things around 2.6.18-3 kernel and udev stuff. |
| 17:58.30 | Daejeo1 | mant* many |
| 17:58.34 | krix | anyone some idea ?! :S |
| 17:58.49 | alskdfj | if i want to install debian for an amd64, can i use the regular etch image or is there a special amd64 etch image? |
| 17:59.06 | heh_v_water | Daejeo1, cross-over cable between the two machines |
| 17:59.21 | ma3x | deadcat: I like bluescreen.jpg. I want to press all keys!! |
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| 17:59.45 | Daejeo1 | heh_v_water: how can I configure? |
| 17:59.57 | Daejeo1 | one box gonna have two pci lan cards |
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| 18:00.11 | heh_v_water | Daejeo1, yup |
| 18:00.12 | deadcat | ma3x: hahah. |
| 18:00.38 | Daejeo1 | will it configure automatically? |
| 18:00.45 | Daejeo1 | both the cards |
| 18:00.56 | _frederik_ | Daejeo1: the cards should come up as say eth0, eth1 |
| 18:02.22 | Daejeo1 | this is what I am going to do |
| 18:02.22 | Daejeo1 | yes it is |
| 18:02.22 | _frederik_ | Daejeo1: but you'll need to do some stuff to forward between them |
| 18:02.22 | heh_v_water | Daejeo1, does anything in linux totally configure itself? Go read on iptables, NAT forwarding and routing |
| 18:02.22 | Daejeo1 | _frederik_> this what I wanted to know |
| 18:02.23 | _frederik_ | Daejeo1: i use ipchains, there is probably an ipchains howto |
| 18:02.24 | heh_v_water | Daejeo1, ipchains is outdated you want iptables |
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| 18:02.47 | _frederik_ | oops that's what i meant |
| 18:02.51 | heh_v_water | :) |
| 18:02.54 | _frederik_ | Daejeo1: http://ofb.net/~frederik/setup-forward-eth0 |
| 18:03.41 | _frederik_ | Daejeo1: i have ppp0 and eth1, you should change to e.g. eth0 and eth1 |
| 18:03.53 | PupenoR | sts: can httrack download redirecting to stdio? |
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| 18:05.19 | travis | hello |
| 18:05.30 | travis | anyone here? |
| 18:05.33 | _frederik_ | no |
| 18:05.51 | travis | i had a tech question about debian... |
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| 18:06.13 | _frederik_ | ask away |
| 18:06.17 | travis | where is the log file that tells what packages are installed? |
| 18:06.30 | travis | i looked in /var/log |
| 18:06.38 | _frederik_ | travis: dpkg --get-selections |
| 18:06.51 | cydork | travis: also dpkg -l |
| 18:08.03 | travis | I am taking a linux course and i need to know the exact file that contains the info.....thanks for the dpkg tips though |
| 18:08.18 | Daejeo1 | _frederik_ where can i find more about iptables? |
| 18:08.27 | abrotman | travis: which version of debian ? |
| 18:08.32 | amphi | Daejeo1: netfilter.org |
| 18:08.43 | _frederik_ | travis: /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 18:08.48 | travis | i know redhat creates in as /root/install.log |
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| 18:09.03 | abrotman | travis: which version of debian? |
| 18:09.09 | travis | mepis |
| 18:09.17 | abrotman | ask #mepis |
| 18:09.25 | Azar | mister travis, how nice :) |
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| 18:12.15 | Thms | I just installed debian with a base install, how can I install the orthography corrector ? |
| 18:12.48 | _frederik_ | Thms: you mean ispell? |
| 18:12.56 | Thms | hmm yes thanks |
| 18:13.19 | _frederik_ | Thms: there are others, like aspell i guess |
| 18:13.59 | Thms | _frederik_: I want the one installed by tasksel when i tick desktop environment, do you know which is it ? |
| 18:14.02 | _frederik_ | Daejeo1: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IPCHAINS-HOWTO.html |
| 18:14.09 | _frederik_ | Thms: no, sorry |
| 18:14.26 | delire | travis: mepis isn't a version of debian, it's a derivative of debian. |
| 18:14.26 | Thms | _frederik_: and the one which is on xchat, amsn, is it ispell ? |
| 18:14.49 | delire | travis: versions of debian are: stable, testing, unstable. |
| 18:16.14 | delire | in fact mepis, i believe, is a derivative of a derivative of debian now. |
| 18:16.31 | _frederik_ | Thms: i don't think so, since those don't depend on the ispell package |
| 18:16.59 | Thms | _frederik_: there is one which works with gaim, xchat |
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| 18:18.14 | _frederik_ | Thms: as an input method? |
| 18:18.14 | travis | does anyone know where the installed packages log file is in dbian stable? |
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| 18:18.30 | cydork | Thms: xchat works with aspell iirc. |
| 18:18.30 | Thms | _frederik_: I don't understand what you mean |
| 18:18.35 | _frederik_ | travis: what about my answer? |
| 18:18.35 | Thms | okay |
| 18:18.58 | travis | i checked, no status log... |
| 18:18.58 | Thms | yes it was aspell thanks |
| 18:19.17 | _frederik_ | Thms: interesting |
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| 18:19.41 | recognizer | hola, alguien aca habla en espanol? |
| 18:19.45 | stew | !es |
| 18:19.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:20.12 | recognizer | i have a problem with my hard disk |
| 18:20.19 | recognizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.04 | travis | frederik, there is a status log...but package information is embedded with other stuff... |
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| 18:26.02 | travis | I did cat status|grep Package: and created the list myself.... |
| 18:26.36 | travis | thanks frederik....your answer helped... |
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| 18:28.06 | ebw | Are there any other converters for rtf then unrtf ? |
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| 18:28.11 | Chap00lin | say, what's PAM? |
| 18:28.38 | markybob | !pam |
| 18:28.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 18:29.58 | _frederik_ | travis: no problem |
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| 18:31.25 | saint-takeshi | i'm trying to get my new radeon 9250 |
| 18:31.37 | saint-takeshi | to work, and it's giving me gip |
| 18:31.38 | Daejeo1 | i need libstdc++5 package |
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| 18:32.28 | saint-takeshi | i've installed to proprietary driver, as instructed, but it's still using mesa indirect rendering |
| 18:32.35 | Daejeo1 | what is the exact name of the package on debian |
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| 18:33.16 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: you don't need the ati binary driver |
| 18:33.19 | saint-takeshi | Daejeol: apt-cache search libstdc++5 |
| 18:33.55 | Daejeo1 | no result |
| 18:34.21 | izzyb | How do I go about listing the contents of a .deb and extracting a single file? |
| 18:34.30 | stew | !info libstdc++5 sarge |
| 18:34.40 | dpkg | libstdc++5: (The GNU Standard C++ Library v3), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:3.3.5-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 287 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 18:34.46 | saint-takeshi | abrotman, i'm planning on using for gaming and 3d design/animation, iirc the open driver doesn't work for 3d rendering, does it? |
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| 18:34.56 | stew | izzyb: man dpkg, lookup -e, -c -x |
| 18:35.04 | stew | saint-takeshi: it does |
| 18:35.05 | Daejeo1 | bash: !info libstdc++5 sarg: event not found |
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| 18:35.16 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: it does |
| 18:35.27 | markybob | yikes |
| 18:35.33 | stew | Daejeo1: that was a trigger to get the dpkg bot to spit out information about the sarge package named libstdc++5 |
| 18:35.36 | saint-takeshi | oh. so i should just apt-get install xserver-xorg-ati ? |
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| 18:35.53 | Thms | what is the url of the "why is blah package not in debian" ? |
| 18:35.58 | Daejeo1 | i am fooooooooooooooool |
| 18:36.10 | wols | saint-takeshi: it depends what exact ati card you have |
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| 18:36.24 | wols | e.g. a 9100 and lower isn't even supported by ati's own driver anymore |
| 18:36.28 | saint-takeshi | radeon 9250 |
| 18:36.38 | markybob | Thms, it's the #1 google result for 'why is package not in debian' ...c'mon |
| 18:36.58 | wols | that's a rebadged 9000, so probably no new fglrx driver either. you should use the radeon driver afaik |
| 18:37.01 | izzyb | stew, thanks :) |
| 18:37.25 | Thms | ho, sorry markybob |
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| 18:38.11 | saint-takeshi | so how do i install such a thing? |
| 18:38.25 | saint-takeshi | is there just an apt package? |
| 18:38.39 | amphi | saint-takeshi: just use the xorg ati driver |
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| 18:39.29 | wols | if you installed x-window-system you should already have it |
| 18:39.48 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:40.35 | saint-takeshi | okay, and now reboot and i can just play my games and tech myself blender and stop crying and cursing my onboard s3 prosavage chip? |
| 18:40.58 | amphi | reboot? |
| 18:41.07 | eshaase | anyone else havnig a problem install gaim [stable]? |
| 18:41.08 | wols | reboot? |
| 18:41.14 | Daejeo1 | !info GCC3.3 sarge |
| 18:41.24 | wols | the only reasone EVER to reboot a linux system is a new kernel or broken/new hardware |
| 18:41.26 | eshaase | seems like gaim (stable) no longer exists |
| 18:41.27 | wols | there is no other reason |
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| 18:42.02 | saint-takeshi | oh, so just ctrl-alt-backspace (kill X) and log back in? |
| 18:42.04 | Daejeo1 | !info gcc sarge |
| 18:42.06 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
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| 18:43.29 | saint-takeshi | it's still claiming to be sing the mnesa indirect rendering... |
| 18:43.35 | saint-takeshi | using* |
| 18:43.40 | saint-takeshi | mesa* |
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| 18:44.13 | archville | how to uninstall a kernel module that i can't "rmmod" because it is in use ? |
| 18:44.16 | Daejeo1 | wols: my asterisk server is up and running |
| 18:44.22 | spidey | i'm having a problem on my debian sarge install, if i use wget or aptitude/apt-get it completely locks me out...can't access it from ssh or the pc itself....i formatted it and it still does the same, anyone have any ideas to what it could be? :/ |
| 18:44.27 | wols | congrats |
| 18:44.35 | wols | what hardware do you use (POTS interface cards)? |
| 18:44.58 | wols | spidey: your question doesn't make any sense |
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| 18:45.02 | Daejeo1 | I am not using any PRI AND ZAPTEL things |
| 18:45.02 | wols | what exactly do you do? |
| 18:45.03 | markybob | archville, rm the module file and reboot? |
| 18:45.10 | spidey | i know |
| 18:45.15 | wols | Daejeo1: what do you do then? |
| 18:45.19 | archville | markybob, just deleting the file ? won't damage the system ? |
| 18:45.29 | markybob | archville, not if you say you dont need that module |
| 18:45.37 | archville | ok, thanks |
| 18:45.38 | spidey | if i use wget, aptitude, or apt-get the server completely locks up/non-responsive |
| 18:45.44 | graytron | archville: figure out which program might be using the module and quit/kill it |
| 18:45.46 | wols | hardware problem |
| 18:45.47 | Azar | yee we have 9 candidates |
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| 18:46.00 | spidey | hm |
| 18:46.00 | archville | graytron, i can't it's nvidiafb |
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| 18:46.12 | markybob | archville, delete the file :) wont cause any problems |
| 18:46.13 | Daejeo1 | i am going to make vxml browser |
| 18:46.25 | spidey | the first time i installed it everything was fine, then the harddrive failed so i replaced it...now it's doing this |
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| 18:46.29 | archville | markybob, ok, i'll rename it for now, just to be sure |
| 18:46.31 | graytron | archville: ah. good idea to rm then |
| 18:46.32 | saint-takeshi | that's helped a tad, but i still can't use directy rendering for some reason |
| 18:46.35 | eshaase | how do i go about installing gaim 1.5? it seems like 1.2 is in stable while 2.0 is in testing |
| 18:46.38 | saint-takeshi | direct* |
| 18:46.40 | graytron | archville: or mv |
| 18:46.45 | archville | :) |
| 18:47.00 | Azar | ..I thought gonna be at least 20 |
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| 18:47.35 | markybob | eshaase, backports |
| 18:47.37 | Daejeo1 | just small project : let people know how to convert web portal to voice portals |
| 18:47.41 | saint-takeshi | it looks like opengl isn't worki ng |
| 18:47.46 | markybob | eshaase, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 18:48.20 | eshaase | markybob: i don't run sarge |
| 18:48.31 | markybob | you said stable ? |
| 18:48.52 | eshaase | i want gaim 1.5, it doesn't exist in stable (1.2-1.4) or in testing (1.5) |
| 18:49.01 | eshaase | testing (2.0) |
| 18:49.06 | eshaase | i'm running testing if it matters |
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| 18:49.52 | Azar | isn't testing frozen? |
| 18:50.18 | Azar | eshaase: gaim 1.5 is the newest? when it came out? |
| 18:50.48 | eshaase | Azar: gaim 1.2 is stable, gaim 2.0 is testing, i want in between |
| 18:50.54 | eshaase | (1.5) |
| 18:50.56 | archville | I think latest gaim in testing is 2.0 beta 5 |
| 18:51.04 | Ronin | eshaase: get it from gaims site may be your only option then |
| 18:51.19 | eshaase | Ronin: ok |
| 18:51.20 | markybob | !snapshot |
| 18:51.20 | dpkg | debian snapshot is, like, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 18:51.22 | Azar | eshaase: if the 1.5 still has bugs will not be accepted on frozen (stable and to-be-stable) versions of Debian |
| 18:51.39 | eshaase | one other question, Inst gaim (1:1.2.1-1.4 Debian:3.1r5/stable)... does that mean 1.2 through 1.4? |
| 18:52.36 | markybob | eshaase, http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi |
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| 18:52.37 | rahul | eshaase: no, it means 1.2.1, debian release 1.4 |
| 18:52.52 | eshaase | rahul: ah, ok, thanks |
| 18:53.00 | rahul | eshaase: debian release 1, 2, 3, etc are by maintainers, .1, .2, etc are by non-maintainers |
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| 18:53.10 | saint-takeshi | for some reason Cedega's tests say Direct Rendering failed, 3d accelleration fails most of the time, b ut sometimes passes |
| 18:53.17 | rahul | <epoch>:<upstream>-<debian> |
| 18:53.26 | Azar | eshaase: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gaim.html |
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| 18:54.03 | stew | anyone know a way to determine what versino of grub is installed to a MBR? |
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| 18:54.54 | eshaase | so how would i go about getting 1.5 installed on my system? stable's version is too old and testing's is too new =) |
| 18:55.33 | stew | eshaase: why is the one from testing too new? |
| 18:55.42 | markybob | stew, when apt upgrades grub, post-inst make it run update-grub...so wouldnt mbr always have the same version as your grub install? thus grub --version ? |
| 18:55.47 | eshaase | stew: because it crashes on my system =) |
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| 18:55.59 | eshaase | stew: i get a seg fault |
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| 18:56.08 | stew | markybob: no update-grub doens't touch the mbr |
| 18:56.10 | markybob | eshaase, move your .gaim folder elsewhere and try again |
| 18:56.22 | eshaase | markybob: i didn't upgrade |
| 18:56.39 | stew | eshaase: did you check the bts? |
| 18:57.01 | eshaase | stew: i wouldn't know where to look, it just seg faults randomly and i don't have additional info |
| 18:57.11 | stew | eshaase: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:57.19 | stew | eshaase: if no such bug exists, please file one |
| 18:57.53 | eshaase | stew: well it could possibly be my window manager, i run e17 =) |
| 18:58.04 | eshaase | but nothing else crashes on my system |
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| 18:59.36 | saint-takeshi | what's the verb ose switch for glxgears? |
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| 19:00.03 | socalledchange | for some reason my root filesystem is mounted read only, how can i fix this |
| 19:00.23 | stew | eshaase: have you tried with a different window manager? |
| 19:00.29 | stew | eshaase: did you check the bts? |
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| 19:00.53 | petemc | socalledchange: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:00.58 | stew | socalledchange: its probably mounted readonly due to errors, you should probably fsck it first |
| 19:01.02 | petemc | socalledchange: there may be a reason its ro |
| 19:01.17 | socalledchange | how do i fsck it |
| 19:01.22 | stew | socalledchange: check dmesg / /var/log/syslog to see if there is a not about why its mounted ro |
| 19:01.30 | stew | socalledchange: fsck /dev/whatever |
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| 19:03.32 | socalledchange | i checked dmesg and syslog.. no issues |
| 19:04.00 | socalledchange | i ran fsck /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: clean, 36/124496 files, 39163/248976 blocks |
| 19:04.02 | enouf | <update-rc.d> or <rcconf> or <runlevels> or <services> ...or even <reference> for the whole Debian enchalada. |
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| 19:09.58 | enouf | Debian works |
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| 19:11.15 | saint-takeshi | according to wikipedia, my radeon card only supports openGL 1.4 |
| 19:11.27 | saint-takeshi | should i downgrade openGL? |
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| 19:12.02 | bzed | saint-takeshi: no, the library will just use what your card provides |
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| 19:12.27 | epsy | hi |
| 19:12.41 | saint-takeshi | then why is direct rendering still failing? |
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| 19:13.13 | saint-takeshi | why is the card identifying as "Mesa Indirect" in glxinfo |
| 19:13.23 | eshaase | stew: i'm trying with a different window manager now |
| 19:13.33 | eshaase | shouldn't gimp be able to open svg files? |
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| 19:13.56 | markybob | eshaase, if you install the plugin for it |
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| 19:14.03 | eshaase | markybob: whats it called? |
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| 19:14.14 | markybob | eshaase, apt-cache search gimp svg |
| 19:15.12 | bzed | saint-takeshi: wait, let me figure out how you can debug that, I forgot it (again) |
| 19:16.43 | enouf | read of how Debian works |
| 19:17.37 | bzed | saint-takeshi: also please paste the output of glxinfo into a pastebin, also paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:17.44 | eshaase | markybob: perfect, thanks! |
| 19:17.49 | markybob | eshaase, np |
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| 19:18.44 | bzed | saint-takeshi: ah, please run this: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 19:18.58 | bzed | and paste the output |
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| 19:21.37 | monra | Hello guys, I need your help, I got Debian Linux Sarge(3.1) and my moyse, my DSL connection and printer are USB conneted, but I have only 2 USB connectos(thats how they call them?), and I wann print a file, if I take the DSL USB out and put the printer I will not be able to connect again without rebooting canuse I won't know what to do and also if I do this I will do lpr command and nothing will happen, I need your help |
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| 19:22.35 | monra | any ideas would be much appreciated? |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | get a USB hub |
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| 19:23.24 | abrotman | or after you replug your DSL .. try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:23.28 | pinx | monra: You should be able to plug things in and out -- I do ; |
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| 19:24.25 | monra | ok yesm, but printer doesn't work expect if i switch DSL, PRINTER usb's when computer is off and then i turn him on |
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| 19:25.02 | saint-takeshi | paste in here, or should i go to #flood? |
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| 19:25.54 | pinx | monra: do sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog while you are unplugging and replugging and see what it tells you. You should be able to remount the printer based on the information from that |
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| 19:27.53 | enouf | no, sysv-rc is <reply> This pkg is for booting, shutting down and changing runlevels, configured through the symbolic links in /etc/rc?.d/ :: Do "zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz". It includes update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d for high customization/config of runlevel scripts at any time. Ask me about <sysv-rc-conf>, the TUI front end tool for sysv-rc. Ask me about <update-rc.d> or <rcconf> or <runlevels> or <services> ...or even |
| 19:27.53 | enouf | <reference> for the whole Debian enchalada. |
| 19:28.15 | enouf | even <reference> for the whole Debian enchalada. |
| 19:28.27 | enouf | whoops |
| 19:28.58 | earthian | hello, I am not sure if I understand how Xorg works, but I have a question: is it possible to make my mouse and especially keyboard be top priority process in my debian? For example if something crashes or more exactly if some process consumes 100% of all CPU power, so that keyboard/mouse would work flawlessly which would let switch to console and kill particular processes... Is it possible to do this by adding some nice to Xorg process? But i have noti |
| 19:28.58 | earthian | ced that Xorg uses CPU when other program uses GFX card...so? |
| 19:29.40 | monra | saint-takeshi, will check |
| 19:29.41 | enouf | Ok .. so .. can I get some peer review now on the factoids for.. "sysv-rc" , "sysv-rc-conf" which I altered/updated the former, and created the latter |
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| 19:32.09 | atlas95 | hello |
| 19:32.12 | DAddYE | one question ive installed apache2 from source becasue I need httpd 2.2 |
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| 19:32.35 | DAddYE | now how I can create /etc/init.d/httpd start stop restart? |
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| 19:32.56 | saint-takeshi | http://pastebin.com/890112 |
| 19:33.00 | stew | DAddYE: you should already have /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 19:33.00 | Guerin | DAddYE: you don't |
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| 19:33.13 | DAddYE | ok |
| 19:33.20 | Guerin | DAddYE: build the package from debian source |
| 19:33.41 | DAddYE | Im on sarge but I need apache 2.2. and sarge only have 2.0 |
| 19:33.50 | Guerin | !simple sid backport |
| 19:33.50 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 19:33.58 | Guerin | see also `backport' |
| 19:34.30 | DAddYE | ? |
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| 19:34.44 | monra | saint-takeshi, did you saw my messages? |
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| 19:36.54 | christl_s | hello. i'm having troubles installing debian on a DeLL E520. the DVD-drive does not get detected. any ideas how to solve that? |
| 19:37.19 | robin_sz | hammer? |
| 19:37.28 | Ronin | its hammer time? |
| 19:37.41 | markybob | christl_s, try etch installer |
| 19:37.44 | robin_sz | Sledge? is that you? |
| 19:37.45 | christl_s | hmmmm.... maybe some less destructive? |
| 19:37.46 | MidgetSpy | hey guys, where can I read about how to install etch? |
| 19:38.02 | MidgetSpy | just the URL in the topic or is there anywhere else? |
| 19:38.04 | markybob | !d-i |
| 19:38.04 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 19:38.09 | christl_s | markybob: i'm having an etch-installer CD |
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| 19:39.39 | stew | MidgetSpy: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 19:39.41 | DAddYE | why in debian httpd was called apache? |
| 19:39.53 | Jingcheng | Hello |
| 19:39.58 | Jingcheng | I need help with my debian distribution |
| 19:40.02 | xand | DAddYE: because it *is* apache |
| 19:40.03 | Jingcheng | My X-sercer is not starting |
| 19:40.18 | Jingcheng | my x-server is not starting, someone help me please? |
| 19:40.25 | DAddYE | xand: but all distribution call it httpd or httpd2 |
| 19:40.36 | Jingcheng | escuse me? is there someone that could help me please? |
| 19:40.36 | stew | DAddYE: becuase debian has multiple httpd servers which can be installed at the same time, like apache, apache2, caudium, thttpd, micro-httpd... |
| 19:41.03 | xand | leet people run IIS |
| 19:41.06 | xand | IT ROCKS |
| 19:41.12 | jeff_hann | :)) |
| 19:41.26 | DAddYE | stew: ok |
| 19:41.27 | pinx | xand no shit? >:o |
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| 19:42.08 | DAddYE | last question Ive removed with apt-get remove apache, and Ive installed apache2 but it's normal that ive in /etc/ini.d/apache and apache2 ? |
| 19:42.30 | stew | DAddYE: yes |
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| 19:42.39 | DAddYE | ok |
| 19:42.42 | DAddYE | and why? |
| 19:42.50 | Jingcheng | can someone please please help me? |
| 19:42.58 | stew | DAddYE: because config files aren't removed until you purge the package |
| 19:43.05 | pinx | DAddYE: I have both versions of apache on my box - but only one running |
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| 19:43.17 | saint-takeshi | monra: what messages? |
| 19:43.17 | robin_sz | ok ... install problem .. It says it would like to have 3ware raid modules, but hasn't got 'em |
| 19:43.20 | stew | Jingcheng: what error are you getting when trying to start x ? |
| 19:43.23 | DAddYE | how I can remove totally apache 1 ? |
| 19:43.26 | robin_sz | what do I do now? |
| 19:43.31 | Jingcheng | Fatal IO error 104 |
| 19:43.47 | robin_sz | DAddYE, apt-get remove apache |
| 19:43.48 | stew | DAddYE: aptitude purge apache-common |
| 19:43.51 | Jingcheng | connection reset by peer, on x server 0.0 after 0 request with 9 events remaining |
| 19:44.06 | rgsteele | robin_sz: That works, but won't purge the old config files |
| 19:44.09 | Jingcheng | fatal server error: failed to initialize core divices |
| 19:44.20 | JarJarBinks | is this normal: zsh: segmentation fault sudo apt-spy -d testing -a Europe |
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| 19:44.24 | Jingcheng | stew: failed to initialize core divices |
| 19:44.27 | stew | and it won't remove apache-common which has the init-script he is concerned with |
| 19:44.40 | robin_sz | rgsteele, so? perhaps he needs to refer to the config data for his new install? |
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| 19:44.47 | robin_sz | ok ... install problem .. It says it would like to have 3ware raid modules, but hasn't got 'em |
| 19:44.49 | rgsteele | Jingcheng: STOP. http://pastebin.ca |
| 19:44.55 | stew | Jingcheng: run "modprobe mousedev" and try again. make sure mousedev is listed in /etc/modules |
| 19:44.56 | robin_sz | what can I di about that then? |
| 19:45.00 | robin_sz | do |
| 19:45.05 | rgsteele | robin_sz: Well, he said totally :) |
| 19:45.07 | atlas95 | how to install ipw3945 driver please? |
| 19:45.08 | DAddYE | I do that but in etc I still have in init.d apache and apache2 |
| 19:45.15 | stew | DAddYE: you did what? |
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| 19:45.29 | Jingcheng | modproble command not found? |
| 19:45.38 | DAddYE | remove if not necessary apache from init.d and only leave apache2 |
| 19:45.39 | stew | Jingcheng: "modprobe mousedev" |
| 19:45.41 | Jingcheng | stew: modprobe command not found? |
| 19:45.44 | stew | Jingcheng: (as root) |
| 19:46.15 | simonrvn | it "lives" in /sbin |
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| 19:46.54 | Jingcheng | ok |
| 19:47.01 | Jingcheng | mice ps/2 mouse device common for all mice? |
| 19:47.08 | Jingcheng | stew: im not sure what to do? |
| 19:47.20 | stew | Jingcheng: type "startx" |
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| 19:47.47 | karsten | Jingcheng: Many of them. |
| 19:47.50 | Jingcheng | stew: still doesnt work |
| 19:47.56 | Jingcheng | stew: wait |
| 19:48.10 | Jingcheng | stew: ok, wait, thanks, it works now!! yippi! |
| 19:48.16 | Jingcheng | #all: THANKS! |
| 19:48.21 | stew | Jingcheng: make sure mousedev is listed in /etc/modules |
| 19:48.21 | simonrvn | heheh, cool |
| 19:48.29 | Jingcheng | stew: it works now, thanks! |
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| 19:48.41 | simonrvn | !abrotman |
| 19:48.46 | stew | Jingcheng: it won't when you reboot if its not listed in /etc/modules |
| 19:48.52 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:48.53 | Jingcheng | stew: ok |
| 19:48.57 | Jingcheng | stew: how do i add it then? |
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| 19:49.00 | atlas95 | anybody can help me please? |
| 19:49.01 | stew | !abrotmoo_ |
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| 19:50.40 | Jingcheng | !abrotmoo_? |
| 19:50.41 | B|nTaRa | :/ |
| 19:50.41 | B|nTaRa | netsplit |
| 19:50.41 | simonrvn | not again |
| 19:50.41 | Jingcheng | stew: the commmand is !abrotmoo_ |
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| 19:50.42 | stew | Jingcheng: "editor /etc/modules" or "echo mousedev >> /etc/modules" |
| 19:50.42 | Jingcheng | stew: ? |
| 19:50.42 | stew | Jingcheng: nevermind abrotmoo_ |
| 19:50.43 | Jingcheng | stew: i have a problem |
| 19:50.43 | Jingcheng | stew: my mouse doesnt work |
| 19:50.43 | stew | Jingcheng: how is your mouse connected? usb? ps2? |
| 19:50.43 | robin_sz | splitters! |
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| 19:50.43 | Jingcheng | stew: the normal way, ps2 i assume |
| 19:50.43 | simonrvn | they took off those splitters |
| 19:50.43 | Jingcheng | stew: when i had a usb one it worked, but now its not working |
| 19:50.44 | Jingcheng | stew: but that was a long time ago |
| 19:50.44 | stew | Jingcheng: hit ctrl-alt-backspace to stop x; run "modprobe psmouse", add psmouse to /etc/modules as well, then startx again |
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| 19:50.56 | justin | psmouse would have been a good idea before |
| 19:51.12 | Smoked1 | Is Etch production worthy? |
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| 19:51.51 | robin_sz | i would say so |
| 19:52.01 | Jingcheng | stew: cannot locate module psmouse |
| 19:52.01 | stew | Jingcheng: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:52.01 | Smoked1 | I figureed. Thanks |
| 19:52.01 | Jingcheng | stew: what? uname-er? |
| 19:52.05 | karsten | Jingcheng: That's a command. Run it. Literally: "uname -r" |
| 19:52.06 | stew | Jingcheng: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:52.15 | HardDisk_WP | o_O JOINFLOOD |
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| 19:52.39 | Jingcheng | stew: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 19:53.02 | stew | i can never remember what the deal with psmouse in 2.4 is, maybe it's built in? |
| 19:53.10 | Smoked1 | If I change stable to etch in my sources.list file and then do a "apt-get distupgrade" will that upgrade me to etch? |
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| 19:53.18 | stew | Jingcheng: if you run "cat /dev/psaux" and move your mouse, do you get junk printed to the screen? |
| 19:53.29 | justin | cat -v |
| 19:53.35 | Jingcheng | cat v? |
| 19:53.38 | Jingcheng | how do i run it? |
| 19:53.41 | markybob | Smoked1, dist-upgrade |
| 19:53.48 | Smoked1 | Oh yeah |
| 19:53.50 | Smoked1 | sorry |
| 19:53.50 | markybob | Smoked1, remember to apt-get update first |
| 19:53.55 | Smoked1 | I will |
| 19:54.05 | justin | Caelum: because you also need the nvidia kernel module |
| 19:54.07 | stew | Jingcheng: just run "cat /dev/psaux" |
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| 19:54.11 | justin | stew: cat -v |
| 19:54.16 | Jingcheng | it woesnt work |
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| 19:54.30 | stew | Jingcheng: what do you mean by "woesnt work"? |
| 19:54.30 | Jingcheng | justin: i ran cat -v, now it just repeats everything i say, how do i get it back? |
| 19:54.38 | justin | sigh |
| 19:54.41 | justin | cat -v /dev/input/mice |
| 19:54.45 | Jingcheng | stew: it says "the file or catalog does not exist" |
| 19:54.50 | karsten | stew: mousedev? |
| 19:54.54 | stew | Jingcheng: hit ctrl-c |
| 19:54.56 | Caelum | justin: I followed the guide exactly, but for some reason the module that came with nvidia-glx depended on an amd64 library |
| 19:55.02 | stew | karsten: its in |
| 19:55.08 | justin | Caelum: in etch? |
| 19:55.12 | Caelum | justin: in sid |
| 19:55.16 | stew | Jingcheng: do you get an error when you run "cat /dev/psaux"? |
| 19:55.18 | DAddYE | sarge have svnadmin? |
| 19:55.30 | stew | DAddYE: yes, /msg dpkg search |
| 19:55.31 | justin | !tell DAddYE about search |
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| 19:55.38 | Jingcheng | stew: yes |
| 19:55.53 | stew | oh, the file or catalog... |
| 19:55.58 | Jingcheng | stew: bash: file or catalogue does not exist |
| 19:56.01 | Jingcheng | stew: yes |
| 19:56.06 | Caelum | compiling a kernel with stock debian options takes a really long time :) |
| 19:56.07 | stew | Jingcheng: is udev installed? |
| 19:56.15 | Jingcheng | stew: what is udev? |
| 19:56.17 | justin | stew: udev in 2.4? not likely |
| 19:56.20 | stew | right |
| 19:56.27 | Daejeo1 | i just installed the apache server |
| 19:56.28 | justin | devfs maybe |
| 19:56.33 | Jingcheng | should i update my debian someday later? |
| 19:56.37 | Daejeo1 | Method Not Allowed |
| 19:56.38 | Jingcheng | 2.4, old? |
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| 19:56.39 | Daejeo1 | The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL /tts/flite/tts.php. |
| 19:56.46 | Jingcheng | stew: 2.4 old? |
| 19:56.52 | Daejeo1 | what is the problem? |
| 19:57.00 | stew | Jingcheng: sorta, depends on how you look at it |
| 19:57.04 | Jingcheng | stew: ok |
| 19:57.19 | Jingcheng | stew: do you know how i can fix this? just stick to the usb mouse or what? |
| 19:57.20 | markybob | Daejeo1, /j #apache |
| 19:57.36 | stew | Jingcheng: try "cd /dev && MAKEDEV busmouse" ; then try "cat /dev/psaux" again |
| 19:57.41 | Jingcheng | stew: how do i make it so that x-server works each time? |
| 19:57.46 | stew | Jingcheng: we'll get there |
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| 19:58.09 | Jingcheng | cd/dev: file or catalogue does not exist |
| 19:58.13 | jmalicki_ | does anyone know the (unwritten?) debian policy on debian package numbers with a '.' in them? Like fakechroot (2.5-1.1)? |
| 19:58.17 | stew | Jingcheng: try "cd /dev && MAKEDEV busmouse" ; then try "cat /dev/psaux" again |
| 19:58.33 | jmalicki_ | specifically, is a debian package version 1.1 kosher? |
| 19:58.34 | Jingcheng | stew: cd/dev: file or catalogue does not exist |
| 19:58.35 | markybob | Jingcheng, not cd/dev, but cd /dev (space) |
| 19:58.49 | x_link | I just have a question. |
| 19:58.54 | jmalicki_ | catalog? |
| 19:58.57 | x_link | Can other distros than Debian use apt-get? |
| 19:59.06 | jmalicki_ | x_link: ubuntu certainly does. |
| 19:59.07 | markybob | x_link, yes |
| 19:59.07 | x_link | Except for Ubuntu, Kubuntu etc. |
| 19:59.16 | x_link | I mean except for the Debian based distros. |
| 19:59.16 | Jingcheng | stew: how do i get the and mark? i am on a european keyboard, yet the map is on american, how do i do it on an american keyboard? |
| 19:59.17 | jmalicki_ | x_link: there is an apt-get for redhat iirc |
| 19:59.19 | Caelum | there's apt for redhat, but they use yum now |
| 19:59.27 | x_link | ok |
| 19:59.44 | Jingcheng | stew: fixed it |
| 19:59.46 | x_link | Does all distros has a program like apt-get? |
| 19:59.53 | jmalicki_ | ones that don't suck do. |
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| 19:59.58 | Ronin | x_link: yes |
| 20:00.00 | stew | jmalicki_: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-nmu-version |
| 20:00.01 | x_link | jmalicki_:ok |
| 20:00.02 | zorrolero | x_link: suse can also use apt |
| 20:00.08 | x_link | zorrolero: Ohh ok |
| 20:00.20 | Jingcheng | stew: don't know how to make device busmouse |
| 20:00.29 | jmalicki_ | stew: Thanks! I didn't see that |
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| 20:00.36 | stew | Jingcheng: oh, try "busmice" not "busmouse" |
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| 20:01.01 | Jingcheng | ok |
| 20:01.11 | Jingcheng | stew: now it says that i can enter something? |
| 20:01.31 | Jingcheng | stew: i mean, its just my name /# then blank |
| 20:01.38 | Jingcheng | stew: what do i enter |
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| 20:01.47 | B|nTaRa | lo |
| 20:01.53 | B|nTaRa | which repos should i use ? |
| 20:01.59 | Jingcheng | stew: there sir? |
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| 20:02.34 | x_link | Just one more thing.. does everybody use ftp."home-country".debian.org? |
| 20:02.55 | Ronin | x_link: probibly no |
| 20:03.08 | x_link | As repo then... I use ftp.se.debian.org. Is there any other repos for Debian? |
| 20:03.09 | Jingcheng | stew: there? |
| 20:03.09 | x_link | Ronin: OK. |
| 20:03.16 | wols | !mirrors |
| 20:03.16 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:03.26 | stew | Jingcheng: try "cd /dev && MAKEDEV busmice" ; then try "cat /dev/psaux" again |
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| 20:03.48 | Jingcheng | stew: nothing |
| 20:03.51 | Jingcheng | stew: nothing comes up |
| 20:04.03 | Jingcheng | stew: when entering cd / dev && MAKEDEV busmice |
| 20:04.12 | stew | ...; then try "cat /dev/psaux" again |
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| 20:04.29 | Jingcheng | stew: file or catalogue does not exist |
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| 20:05.05 | x_link | wols: That site showed the repo that I already use. |
| 20:05.08 | Jingcheng | stew: file or catalogue does not exist |
| 20:05.11 | stew | ugh |
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| 20:05.33 | wols | x_link: that's the official mirror list of debian |
| 20:05.38 | stew | Jingcheng: not "cd / dev && MAKEDEV busmice" ; "cd /dev && MAKEDEB busmice" |
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| 20:05.46 | stew | Jingcheng: you really need to be less careless |
| 20:05.58 | Jingcheng | stew: yeah, but that only gives me the cd/dev does not exist thing |
| 20:06.03 | Ronin | x_link: then use it if it works for you |
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| 20:06.22 | x_link | Ronin: I will... I'm just so restless, I want to try out some things =) |
| 20:06.33 | stew | Jingcheng: sorry, if you can't simply type the commands i'm asking you to type, i don't think i'll be able to help you |
| 20:06.38 | x_link | Ronin: I'm to newbie/n00b to learn/do something with my Debian machine =/ |
| 20:06.38 | Jingcheng | stew: I am |
| 20:06.40 | Ronin | all the mirrors are the same, so if thatone works for you |
| 20:06.42 | Jingcheng | stew: I am typing the commands |
| 20:06.49 | x_link | And it sucks big time. |
| 20:06.54 | x_link | Ronin: Okey... I didn't know that. |
| 20:06.57 | Jingcheng | stew: it just says that cd/dev : filen eller katalogen finns inte |
| 20:07.01 | wols | Jingcheng: you obviously cannot since /dev always exists |
| 20:07.04 | stew | Jingcheng: what exact error do you get when you run ""cd /dev && MAKEDEV busmice" |
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| 20:07.05 | Jingcheng | stew: (swedish) |
| 20:07.12 | B|nTaRa | which is the most up-to-date repos site ? |
| 20:07.14 | wols | Jingcheng: cd /dev. NOT "cd/dev" |
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| 20:07.25 | wols | whitespace is important. even outside of python |
| 20:07.35 | Dinosaur | whats up with testing and unstable distributions not having the MD5SUMs match the Packages file for the past week or two? |
| 20:07.52 | Jingcheng | wols: CD: command not found |
| 20:07.54 | Dinosaur | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 20:07.56 | Jingcheng | wait, sry |
| 20:07.59 | Jingcheng | let me try again |
| 20:08.00 | wols | Jingcheng: stop trolling |
| 20:08.10 | Jingcheng | ok |
| 20:08.21 | Jingcheng | wols: got it, it now sais my name /dev# |
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| 20:08.36 | Jingcheng | stew: it now says name /dev# |
| 20:08.40 | Jingcheng | stew: now what? |
| 20:08.40 | wols | hallelujah |
| 20:08.49 | wols | now run the MAKEDEV part |
| 20:08.56 | stew | Jingcheng: ...; then try "cat /dev/psaux" again |
| 20:09.02 | justin | should just run MAKEDEV, that should add everything |
| 20:09.13 | pumpkin0 | Is there a maple-style math prog in the stock debian-repos ? |
| 20:09.28 | Dinosaur | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 20:09.37 | Dinosaur | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 20:09.43 | Jingcheng | stew: now it gives me a blank line |
| 20:09.56 | Dinosaur | pumpkin0: I think there is. |
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| 20:10.12 | Jingcheng | stew: now it gives me a blank line |
| 20:10.15 | pumpkin0 | Dinosaur: giveme a hint ... ehm name. |
| 20:10.23 | Dinosaur | pumpkin0: I have to look. |
| 20:10.30 | stew | Jingcheng: and does anything show up when you move the mouse? |
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| 20:10.35 | B|nTaRa | which is the most up-to-date repos site ? |
| 20:10.37 | Jingcheng | stew: yes |
| 20:10.43 | Jingcheng | stew: a bunch of wierd things |
| 20:10.49 | stew | Jingcheng: then hit ctrl-c ; then run startx again |
| 20:10.49 | archville | Hell, it whould be noted somewhere that you need 'wireless-tools' for the network-admin to show wireless connections avaiable. |
| 20:10.50 | Jingcheng | stew: a bunch of weird greek marks |
| 20:10.52 | enouf | B|nTaRa: the top level domains |
| 20:11.11 | enouf | B|nTaRa: those with ftp.{country}.debian.org type |
| 20:11.13 | xand | .org? |
| 20:11.15 | Jingcheng | stew: mouse no response |
| 20:11.17 | Dinosaur | pumpkin0: I'm thinking of octave |
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| 20:11.22 | Dinosaur | pumpkin0: it is a matlab clone |
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| 20:11.44 | stew | Jingcheng: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; and choose /dev/psaux for your mouse device |
| 20:12.01 | Dinosaur | pumpkin0: also scilab |
| 20:12.09 | B|nTaRa | enouf, thanks |
| 20:12.16 | pumpkin0 | Dinosaur: no, i need a maple-style thing. I already have a matlabreplacement .... testing scilab now. |
| 20:12.35 | helena | hello - I was following docs to install debian on a t41, which included after fresh install to do a dist-upgrade having changed sources.list to unstable |
| 20:12.39 | Dinosaur | so noone at all has found there to be missing Packages files in unstable and testing, or MD5SUM errors? |
| 20:12.44 | stew | Dinosaur: i don't get the problem you are getting: Get:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Sources [1215kB] |
| 20:12.45 | Jingcheng | stew: dev/psaux isnt there, is there perhaps another name? |
| 20:12.51 | helena | unsuprisingly, after completetion, i now have no kernel image |
| 20:13.01 | Dinosaur | stew: ty, I'll try ftp. instead of http. |
| 20:13.05 | Jingcheng | stew: this is for video card? |
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| 20:13.10 | helena | having rebooted i just have a grub screen, an no kernel to boot |
| 20:13.17 | wols | Jingcheng: it's for a mouse |
| 20:13.19 | helena | how can i install a kernel to fix this? |
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| 20:13.48 | Jingcheng | it says for the x window system graphical user interface to operate correctly, it is necessary to select a video card driver for the x server |
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| 20:13.57 | wols | helena: boot a with a kernel from something else |
| 20:14.09 | stew | Dinosaur: i get the same md5 with "wget ftp://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/source/Sources.gz -O - | md5sum" with ftp as i do with http |
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| 20:14.28 | Dinosaur | stew: I'm using testing and unstable, not stable. |
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| 20:14.33 | stew | Dinosaur: 01d9c1b447bd703847ab8cb2aab0c298 - |
| 20:14.36 | wols | a liveCD )older debian CDs could, newer not :( ) |
| 20:14.50 | x_link | Can somebody tell me a Debian or any Linux program that is good to know? |
| 20:14.51 | helena | wols: so say a bbc disk? how can i boot *my* system but using a different kerel? is there some documentation about this? |
| 20:14.56 | Dinosaur | stew: now that I am using ftp.us.debian.org instead of http.us.debian.org it is working |
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| 20:15.02 | x_link | So that I can spend some time learing it. I really don't know what to do =/ |
| 20:15.07 | Jingcheng | stew: my options are i740, i810, imstt, mga, neomagic, newport, nsc, nv, rendition, s2,s3virge, savage, siliconmotion,sis,tdfx,tga,trident, tseng, vesa, vga, via, and vmware |
| 20:15.08 | MidgetSpy | if I install etch (and x.org 7.1) will it automatically install the ati radeon drivers for my ATI card or do I need to install them separately? |
| 20:15.08 | stew | Dinosaur: oh interesting, yeah, testing gives different results |
| 20:15.14 | tzafrir_laptop | x_link, look for "debaday" |
| 20:15.16 | stew | Dinosaur: i mean different from http to ftp |
| 20:15.19 | Jingcheng | stew: my options are i740, i810, imstt, mga, neomagic, newport, nsc, nv, rendition, s2,s3virge, savage, siliconmotion,sis,tdfx,tga,trident, tseng, vesa, vga, via, and vmware |
| 20:15.22 | enouf | x_link: /msg dpkg reference |
| 20:15.24 | x_link | tzafrir_laptop: What is that? |
| 20:15.27 | x_link | enouf: Thanks! |
| 20:15.40 | Jingcheng | stew: what should i select? |
| 20:15.50 | Dinosaur | stew: haven't tried http:// to ftp:// yet. |
| 20:15.53 | tzafrir_laptop | x_link, a good way to waste your time knowing many debs |
| 20:16.29 | Jingcheng | stew: sir, what should i choose? |
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| 20:16.36 | wols | helena: say your linux is on /dev/hda1: linux root=/dev/hda1 |
| 20:16.40 | wols | kernel boot parameter |
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| 20:16.51 | stew | Dinosaur: one of the ftp.us mirrors is out of sync, so the protocol doesn't matter, the ip does |
| 20:17.07 | enouf | x_link: /msg dpkg grounding .. get a good understanding of how the underlying parts work .. spend time learning how to use all the various GNU/CLI tools .. that should keep ya busy for a few years lol |
| 20:17.08 | x_link | tzafrir_laptop: Knowing many debs? |
| 20:17.22 | x_link | enouf: hehe ok |
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| 20:18.08 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew |
| 20:18.20 | x_link | I will install debian-reference. |
| 20:18.30 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: what should i select? |
| 20:18.31 | tomp2 | hello! i want to install debian on a OLD laptop. it was suggested that debian would be more flexible than ubuntu (et al), i used ftp to find the .iso, i saw 14 consequtive .iso images to download. isnt there a single cd ? |
| 20:18.47 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: what video card do you have? |
| 20:18.55 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: an integrated, into the motherboard |
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| 20:19.05 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: what chipset does it have? |
| 20:19.07 | wols | tomp2: just get the first CD. or a netinstall CD |
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| 20:19.15 | Jingcheng_Zhao | tomp2: the first cd is the thing, the rest is just extra programs |
| 20:19.22 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: I do not remember |
| 20:19.23 | tomp2 | wols: thanks ( whew!) |
| 20:19.24 | enouf | x_link: /join other various debian channels (many are available on irc.debian.org) .. and lurk and pay attention, then use those discussions as problems to solve yourself (dive into the docs, man pages, kernel docs, etc) .. go hunting lad ;-) |
| 20:19.31 | archville | Offtopic question... Mame frontend for Etch ? |
| 20:19.40 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: thats really bad isnt it? |
| 20:19.44 | wols | tomp2: the reason debian is better is, you can install it with less stuff, that means it uses less RAM. Ubuntu wants at least 256MB realistically, better 512 |
| 20:19.48 | helena | wols: where /dev/hda1 is cd? as i don't have a kernel on the actual machine at present, at least not one I can find from grub |
| 20:20.03 | wols | no. /dev/hda wuld be your debian root partition |
| 20:20.09 | helena | ok |
| 20:20.10 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: I cant remember it off my head, but i can recognize it if i see it |
| 20:20.11 | h3sp4wn | archville: personally I prefer advancemame / advancemenu (but neither is in debian) |
| 20:20.15 | helena | that os indeed hda1 |
| 20:20.16 | wols | you need to bot from some other place |
| 20:20.19 | cubiq | Is there some way I can execute an external command from a script and avoid the script to hang if the external commands awaits input? |
| 20:20.22 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: lspci will tellyou |
| 20:20.39 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: lspci? |
| 20:20.42 | stew | yes |
| 20:20.43 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: a command? |
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| 20:20.46 | tomp2 | Jingcheng_Zhao: xie xie nin ;) |
| 20:20.50 | enouf | x_link: google for UNIX System Administration - A Beginner's Guide |
| 20:20.54 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: yes |
| 20:20.57 | archville | h3sp4wn, well, if there is source, it's worth taking a look |
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| 20:21.09 | enouf | x_link: Same for Bash . learn bash scripting .. |
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| 20:21.18 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: but how do i get out of this window+ |
| 20:21.23 | h3sp4wn | archville: There is and its very easy to build (has configure script) |
| 20:21.25 | DAddYE | sorry people is possible intall on sarge mysql5? |
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| 20:21.27 | robin_sz | Ok, im having problems installing Etch on a Tyan Tiger mobo with 3ware raid, it seems to have trouble seeing the hard disks .. complains it neds the 3ware raid drivers .. now what? |
| 20:21.29 | enouf | x_link: you wnat WORK! .. I'll give you work homey ;-) |
| 20:21.37 | stew | cubiq: you could run "script < /dev/null" but i dunno if its going to do what you want |
| 20:21.41 | h3sp4wn | archville: (supports some things mame doesn't) |
| 20:21.56 | cubiq | stew: Tried that. Didn't work :) |
| 20:21.56 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: how do i get out of here? ctrl+c is not working |
| 20:22.11 | saint-takeshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.11 | enouf | Jingcheng_Zhao: q |
| 20:22.13 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: hit alt-f2 to get to another console, and alt-f1 to get back |
| 20:22.16 | archville | h3sp4wn, nice, i just need a simple frontend, don't really care about a lof of features |
| 20:22.29 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 20:22.35 | enouf | Jingcheng_Zhao: oh .. sorry .. thought uyou were stuck in less/more |
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| 20:23.02 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: ok |
| 20:23.09 | h3sp4wn | archville: I think advancemenu can be a frontend to mame (it is simple - can be operated with a joystick) or just use the 2 |
| 20:23.11 | pablo_ | hi, can i recuperate files removed with rm? |
| 20:23.14 | DAddYE | sorry people is possible intall on sarge mysql5? |
| 20:23.22 | robin_sz | pablo_, thats easy |
| 20:23.25 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: i got a bunch of stuff, where is my computer chipset? |
| 20:23.26 | enouf | pablo_: ext2 ? |
| 20:23.31 | pablo_ | ext3 |
| 20:23.38 | pablo_ | robin_sz: how can i do it? |
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| 20:23.41 | robin_sz | pablo_, you have backups? |
| 20:23.45 | pablo_ | no |
| 20:23.53 | archville | Hell, 14 Mb of source code, well let's try to compile :) |
| 20:23.53 | dkr | pablo_: it's possible but difficult and time consuming with a chance of failure of space overwritten by any other dat, (or alternatively very expensive to pay a company to do it for you) |
| 20:23.55 | robin_sz | you have used the system much since then? |
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| 20:24.20 | pablo_ | robin_sz: no, no much |
| 20:24.28 | Nwallins | Hi, I am running etch / xorg, and no matter blackbox, afterstep, kde, gnome, my window redraws are abominably slow. I am on a dual-opteron 2GHz with 2GB RAM, but video is onboard ATi Rage XL (8MB). The 'vesa' xorg driver is sharper (for some reason) than 'ati', but both offer similar (crappy) performance. are there any tweaks, or is it just crappy onboard video? |
| 20:24.34 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew; VGA cmpatible controller: VIA technologies, INC VT8378 (s3 chome) integrated video (rev 01) |
| 20:24.42 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: VGA cmpatible controller: VIA technologies, INC VT8378 (s3 chome) integrated video (rev 01) |
| 20:24.47 | Guerin | grr |
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| 20:25.13 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: where can i see my chipset? is that the VT8235? |
| 20:25.16 | pablo_ | robin_sz: what should i do? |
| 20:25.22 | Guerin | Nwallins: onboard video should be perfectly sufficient |
| 20:25.33 | wols | Jingcheng_Zhao: that's your southbridge, yes |
| 20:25.38 | Nwallins | Guerin: i would think so. i've tried everything that I can think of (not much) |
| 20:25.45 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: what should i select on the video thing then? |
| 20:25.50 | enouf | Nwallins: you sure you're not stuck in a PowerNow mode? |
| 20:25.56 | wols | pablo_: backup next time. journalled filesystems can't be undeleted |
| 20:26.00 | Nwallins | Guerin: I get about 3 fps when scolling down in Firefox |
| 20:26.00 | robin_sz | pablo_, first you should unmount the filesystem before any writes occur |
| 20:26.04 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: my options are i740, i810, imstt, mga, neomagic, newport, nsc, nv, rendition, s2,s3virge, savage, siliconmotion,sis,tdfx,tga,trident, tseng, vesa, vga, via, and vmware |
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| 20:26.10 | Nwallins | enouf: pretty sure - it's a server machine |
| 20:26.13 | Guerin | Nwallins: that's pretty bad. |
| 20:26.15 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: you want the s3 driver then |
| 20:26.15 | enouf | Nwallins: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i "mhz" |
| 20:26.19 | Nwallins | enouf: is that a laptop setting? |
| 20:26.32 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: s3? or the s3virge? |
| 20:26.42 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: s3? i suppose? |
| 20:26.49 | enouf | Nwallins: it's a BIOS setting that can be controlled through ACPI as well |
| 20:26.49 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: s3 afaik |
| 20:27.00 | pablo_ | robin_sz: ok, and then |
| 20:27.03 | wols | stew: agreed, S3 |
| 20:27.04 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: afaik? i do not have a s3 afaik? |
| 20:27.07 | Nwallins | enouf: ok, the dang 'puter is at home -- be back later |
| 20:27.10 | stew | !afaik |
| 20:27.10 | dpkg | afaik is, like, as far as I know |
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| 20:27.12 | enouf | Nwallins: similar to Intel's Speedstep |
| 20:27.15 | Nwallins | Guerin, enouf thx |
| 20:27.22 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: ok, sry, not used to this chatting language |
| 20:27.31 | wols | not virge, not savage! |
| 20:27.37 | robin_sz | pablo then use debugfs ... lsdel will reveal the deleted files, IFF they havent been damaged already |
| 20:27.44 | Nwallins | enouf: I doubt it is active -- CPU temp is about 50 C |
| 20:27.46 | wols | if it really doesn't work with purely s3 then use vesa and come back here |
| 20:27.55 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: now it says please enter the video cards bus identifier |
| 20:28.00 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: leave it blank |
| 20:28.01 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: what hte heck is the video cards bus identifier? |
| 20:28.06 | robin_sz | pablo_, presumably, since you have no backups, the files were nto important anyway |
| 20:28.08 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: also leave the amount of memory blank |
| 20:28.17 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: keyboard? |
| 20:28.20 | wols | Jingcheng_Zhao: via bought those chips when they bought S3. notice how it says S3 chrome |
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| 20:28.26 | stew | !widh3 |
| 20:28.28 | enouf | Nwallins: yes .. or maybe not .. ;-) .. are you sure BOTH cores are operational .. or is it 2 separate sockets? |
| 20:28.28 | stew | err |
| 20:28.32 | stew | !widhe |
| 20:28.32 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 20:28.34 | wols | bus identifier, leave it blank |
| 20:28.37 | Nwallins | enouf: 2 sockets |
| 20:28.39 | Jingcheng_Zhao | lol |
| 20:28.42 | wols | on PCs it has no meaning |
| 20:28.46 | enouf | Nwallins: ahh .. which kernel? |
| 20:28.55 | robin_sz | pablo_, so you have unmounted the filesystem? |
| 20:28.57 | pablo_ | robin_sz: how do i install lsdel? |
| 20:28.58 | stew | has no meaning? |
| 20:29.01 | phantom_ | !tune2fs |
| 20:29.01 | dpkg | tune2fs is probably tuning your harddrive/partition like you tune your car. 'tune2fs -m 3 <device>' sets the space reserved for root to 3% (default 5%). Don't fill your disks completely: performance will be degraded due to fragmentation. This will change the percentage of space reserved for root. The man page says not to do it on mounted partitions but xk always does it, heh. |
| 20:29.09 | Nwallins | enouf: both sockets are active -- kernel is 2.6.something11 |
| 20:29.15 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: im like entering all about the keyboard, i should go to the mouse section yes? |
| 20:29.21 | wols | stew: have you ever needed it on a PC and if so when? |
| 20:29.25 | robin_sz | pablo_, so you have unmounted the filesystem? |
| 20:29.35 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: i should select /dev/psaux? |
| 20:29.36 | enouf | Nwallins: make sure IOAPIC, APIC, and ACPI are ALl enabled in the BIOS .. also check dmesg output .. can biew logs in /var/log/* |
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| 20:29.47 | enouf | s/ALI/ALL |
| 20:30.00 | pablo_ | robin_sz: but i have only one filesystem |
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| 20:30.14 | enouf | Nwallins: you want an SMP kernel .. so cpuinfo sees both CPUs? |
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| 20:30.20 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: it says choose the alternative that describes your mouse best? |
| 20:30.23 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah, using SMP kernel alrady |
| 20:30.23 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: which one? |
| 20:30.25 | MiK[3]Zz | hi dudes |
| 20:30.26 | phantom_ | hey, how do I use tune2fs so that if I want certain FS to be checked on the next reboot? |
| 20:30.33 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: ps/2? |
| 20:30.35 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: imps2 |
| 20:30.38 | enouf | Nwallins: custom made? |
| 20:30.39 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: and /dev/psaux |
| 20:30.41 | robin_sz | pablo_, you need to shut it down and reboot from CD as linux rescue then |
| 20:30.51 | Nwallins | enouf: no, AMD64 kernel |
| 20:30.52 | robin_sz | here , read this |
| 20:30.57 | Nwallins | from repo |
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| 20:31.02 | robin_sz | pabl0_ http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/recovery-howto.html |
| 20:31.07 | robin_sz | pablo_, http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/recovery-howto.html |
| 20:31.32 | Dinosaur | stew: switching from http://ftp. to ftp://http. also worked for me. just http://http. not working. perhaps my ISP has some proxy in place. |
| 20:31.40 | mindframe | whats the easiest way to screenshot w/ a bound key? |
| 20:31.48 | mindframe | (fluxkeys) |
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| 20:31.51 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: please choose a method for selecting your monitor characteristics: medium: advanced? |
| 20:31.56 | stew | Dinosaur: no. it is a known problem that one of the http.us mirrors is out of sync, its not your isp |
| 20:31.57 | wols | robin_sz: notice how it says "ext2" always on that site? journalled filesystems don't work so hot with undelete... |
| 20:31.58 | robin_sz | pablo_, but REMEBER DO NOT and I repeat, DO NOT attempt to install debugfs or anything else onto that filesystem right now ... do that, and you will most likely write over the files you want to recover |
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| 20:32.19 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: when in doubt, hit enter |
| 20:32.25 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: advanced? |
| 20:32.26 | robin_sz | wols, hes not ext2? |
| 20:32.37 | Dinosaur | stew: thanks for your help. |
| 20:32.44 | enouf | Nwallins: hrm .. you should check you cpuinfo "mhz" first as I said earlier .. erm .. 8MB onboard RAM ain't a lot .. and did you configure X to use Framebuffer? How much Aperture is set in the BIOS? .. etc etc |
| 20:32.44 | wols | 21:23 < pablo_> ext3 |
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| 20:32.56 | Nwallins | enouf: framebuffer, what is that setting? |
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| 20:33.14 | enouf | Nwallins: when you dpkg-reconfigure X |
| 20:33.18 | cokeslut | private |
| 20:33.21 | Nwallins | enouf: I have a feeling that may fix it |
| 20:33.25 | enouf | Nwallins: /msg drxx |
| 20:33.33 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: now start x? |
| 20:33.34 | enouf | erm /msg dpkg drxx |
| 20:33.37 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: startx now? |
| 20:33.40 | Kobaz | robin_sz: i've never had debugfs find anything for me when using ext3 |
| 20:33.42 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:33.44 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: Shall i startx? |
| 20:33.46 | robin_sz | wols, well, ext3 is just ext2 with a journal .. it should still work for static data |
| 20:33.53 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a tool to convert SWF movies to AVI? |
| 20:33.57 | HardDisk_WP | ffmpeg wont eat it |
| 20:34.05 | Nwallins | enouf: thanks, I will try your suggestions when I get home -- log back on from there |
| 20:34.07 | robin_sz | Kobaz, oh, dear |
| 20:34.14 | enouf | Nwallins: hold a sec |
| 20:34.19 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: |
| 20:34.21 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: startx? |
| 20:34.24 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: startx? |
| 20:34.29 | wols | robin_sz: no it doesn't when inodes are zeroed |
| 20:34.41 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: after configureation, do i startx? |
| 20:34.43 | wols | and for journalling to work they have to be |
| 20:34.45 | wols | Jingcheng_Zhao: sure |
| 20:34.45 | Nwallins | enouf: I am pretty sure /proc/cpuinfo reports the correct mhz |
| 20:34.55 | Nwallins | enouf: I have checked that before, after getting SMP kernel |
| 20:35.11 | robin_sz | wols, yeah, just reading more of that .. no, you are right, recovery from ext3 can't be done |
| 20:35.11 | enouf | Nwallins: Framebuffer is nice for Console mode resoltuions/accel .. but not for X usually a hinderance, though with Onbaord VIDEO RAM, and in conjuction wioth correct BIOS settings it may matter for you .. ok |
| 20:35.16 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: no screens fuond |
| 20:35.21 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: no screens found |
| 20:35.25 | robin_sz | pablo_, forget what I said, i thought you were ext2. |
| 20:35.39 | robin_sz | pablo_, so, you can;t ... you'll need backups |
| 20:35.44 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: ARE YOU THERE? |
| 20:35.45 | Nwallins | enouf: the plan is to run this machine generally in console -- user can `startx` if desired |
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| 20:36.22 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew:? |
| 20:36.24 | abrotman | stew: I HAVE ELIVE .. HELP ME! |
| 20:36.58 | Jingcheng_Zhao | can someone please help me? |
| 20:37.05 | Jingcheng_Zhao | I am willing to cooperate to the max |
| 20:37.11 | enouf | Nwallins: apt-geet install linux-doc-$(uname -r) .. see the /Documentation |
| 20:37.20 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: can ya help me? |
| 20:37.22 | wols | abrotman: ELIVE? |
| 20:37.25 | robin_sz | pablo_, forget it ... recovery is not an option, sorry, I thought you were using ext2, not ext3. time to get out your backup tapes, or download the data again |
| 20:37.29 | Nwallins | enouf: can you point me to some more info regarding whether framebuffer is appropriate? |
| 20:37.32 | enouf | Nwallins: well are the slowdowns/lagging in X ? |
| 20:37.32 | Jingcheng_Zhao | I NEEd help, please |
| 20:37.36 | Jingcheng_Zhao | help needed |
| 20:37.39 | Jingcheng_Zhao | help needed |
| 20:37.45 | Nwallins | enouf: moving windows around is very choppy, scrolling is painful |
| 20:37.53 | groogs | is it possible to mount a disk in two locations - one read-only, one read-write? |
| 20:37.57 | wols | Jingcheng_Zhao: does VESA work? |
| 20:37.58 | pablo_ | robin_sz: ok thanks anyway |
| 20:38.22 | Nwallins | enouf: also, noticed that 'vesa' driver is sharp, while 'ati' driver is fuzzy -- roughly same performance AFAICT |
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| 20:38.42 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: what is vesa? |
| 20:38.53 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: all i know is that there are no screens found, |
| 20:39.14 | wols | VESA is a very generic X driver |
| 20:39.21 | wols | slow but pretty mch always works |
| 20:39.21 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log into a pasetbin: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 20:39.46 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: there is no screen found |
| 20:40.02 | Nwallins | wols: how do u find out what is the appropriate driver for a video h/w? say, ATI Rage XL ? |
| 20:40.02 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: u want me to do that in X right? |
| 20:40.18 | enouf | Nwallins: an overview though older http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
| 20:40.24 | Nwallins | enouf: thanks |
| 20:40.28 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, just paste your logfile to a pastebin as requested please |
| 20:40.38 | enouf | Nwallins: are you using Xfree86 or Xorg? |
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| 20:40.41 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: how do i do that? |
| 20:40.43 | Nwallins | enouf: xorg |
| 20:40.55 | wols | Nwallins: I often look on xfree86.org in their ressources |
| 20:41.00 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, you have a web browser? |
| 20:41.03 | Nwallins | wols: ah, thanks |
| 20:41.04 | wols | they tell you for which cards the driver can be used |
| 20:41.06 | enouf | Nwallins: you might want to try the "radeon" driver .. though I'm not up on that .. hold a sec |
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| 20:41.15 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: Not on linux, since i cannot start the X |
| 20:41.21 | wols | enouf: certainly not the radeon |
| 20:41.27 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah, i don't think so |
| 20:41.33 | wols | it's named rage or ati or so |
| 20:41.37 | wols | or eevn mach |
| 20:41.44 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: how do i paste it? |
| 20:41.44 | enouf | wols: is that non-free binary blob? |
| 20:41.59 | wols | blob is fglrx |
| 20:42.07 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, then from a windows box or whatever ... paste the logfile stew requested to http://pastebin.ca |
| 20:42.13 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, then post the URL here |
| 20:42.27 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: But, how do i copy it, by hand? |
| 20:42.51 | saint-takeshi | would it help if i changed to xfree86 rather than xorg? as far i can see from googling, xfree86 has better support for DRI radeon drivers |
| 20:42.56 | Nwallins | wols: is there a better page than this one (I'm using Xorg) http://wiki.x.org/wiki/VideoDriverFAQ ? |
| 20:43.00 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: I mean, there is no way for me to copy it? I cant use my mouse even? |
| 20:43.01 | saint-takeshi | which i think is what i want |
| 20:43.04 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, copy it from the linux box? using ftp/ssh/whatever .. |
| 20:43.12 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 20:43.13 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a tool to convert SWF movies to AVI? |
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| 20:43.27 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: No experience with that sorry, im a linux noob, can you please tell me the commmands? |
| 20:43.47 | wols | Nwallins: since xorg is a fork of xfree86 and your card and the drivers are old: xfree86 org pages will work |
| 20:43.51 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, download winscp on windows .. use it to copy the files from your linux obx and paste the bits into the browser |
| 20:43.57 | Nwallins | wols: ah, cool |
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| 20:44.25 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: I have no idea of how to do that? what do u want me to do? I can tell you the message: fatal error, no screens found |
| 20:44.39 | Nwallins | wols: http://xfree86.org/current/manindex4.html (better!) :) |
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| 20:44.47 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, do you know how to use windows? |
| 20:44.57 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: Yes |
| 20:45.03 | hark_ | Jingcheng_Zhao: does it say anything else? |
| 20:45.16 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, do you know how to install an application on windows? |
| 20:45.19 | Jingcheng_Zhao | hark_: EE no devices detected |
| 20:45.23 | bzed | tell Jingcheng_Zhao about putty |
| 20:45.23 | Nwallins | wols: of course, no mention of 'ati' or 'rage' :( |
| 20:45.24 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: YES |
| 20:45.30 | bzed | !tell Jingcheng_Zhao about putty |
| 20:45.32 | wols | Jingcheng_Zhao: there might be more than that in that log. and you don't lnow enough to see what could be significant |
| 20:45.42 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 20:45.42 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 20:45.49 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, install winscp on windows, then get back to us |
| 20:45.53 | hark_ | Jingcheng_Zhao: try with vesa, and see if that works |
| 20:45.55 | pablo_ | hi, where does epiphany saves temporal files? |
| 20:46.15 | Guerin | pablo_: ask #epiphany on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:46.16 | Nwallins | wols: there is r128 (Rage 128) maybe that is better |
| 20:46.25 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: OK, but on the same computer? i cannot use a windows that is not connected to that computer? (DUH?) |
| 20:46.42 | hark_ | Jingcheng_Zhao: unless it also mentions a device.. grep EE /var/log/X*.0.log |
| 20:46.47 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" but choose vesa instead of s3 |
| 20:46.54 | wols | the 2D core of a rage should be like a mach, so 2 should be ok with ati. I think |
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| 20:47.15 | abrotman | wols: /list #elive |
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| 20:47.35 | stew | that one is for wimps, the cool kids are in #elive-unstable |
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| 20:47.51 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, OK, I am about to give up on you ... but ... one last time .. you have a windows box right? and you claim to be able to install a program? right? INSTALL WINSCP and then we will explain how to connect to the linux box over your network and copy the logfile to your windows computer so you can paste it into pastebin on your web browser. |
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| 20:47.52 | torr | hi |
| 20:48.00 | Jingcheng_Zhao | step: i am wondering, it now says ftp>, how do i get rid of that? |
| 20:48.00 | Nwallins | wols: yeah, 2D is all I care about on this machine |
| 20:48.16 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: what command did you type? |
| 20:48.20 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: but stew told me to change some settings |
| 20:48.23 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: ftp |
| 20:48.25 | enouf | Nwallins: all I can say is if all elase fails .. the darkside :-( http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo?highlight=%28ati%29 |
| 20:48.30 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, ok, im out. |
| 20:48.34 | torr | I am trying to install debian on an Asus P5LD2 motherboard and it says that it doesn't recognize my ethernet card |
| 20:48.40 | stew | Jingcheng_Zhao: are you tryihng to ftp something? |
| 20:48.41 | torr | it has a Marvell card |
| 20:48.44 | torr | on board |
| 20:48.47 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: robin told me to |
| 20:48.49 | torr | anyone can help me? |
| 20:48.50 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: then he stopped |
| 20:48.56 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: now i am trying to change it to VESA |
| 20:48.56 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, no I didtn |
| 20:48.58 | Guerin | torr: google can help you |
| 20:49.01 | hark_ | heh |
| 20:49.10 | bzed | torr: did you try the etch installer? |
| 20:49.10 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: u said ftp/shh..... |
| 20:49.22 | Jingcheng_Zhao | how do i get back to the normal root ? |
| 20:49.30 | Jingcheng_Zhao | How do i get back to the normal root thing? |
| 20:49.30 | stew | torr: did you specify the 2.6 kernel or did you only try the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:49.36 | Nwallins | enouf: thanks for the help. i will be able to make more progress tonight. much appreciated :) |
| 20:49.38 | robin_sz | try "quit" |
| 20:49.45 | Jingcheng_Zhao | ahh |
| 20:50.15 | Jingcheng_Zhao | OK |
| 20:50.17 | Jingcheng_Zhao | X started |
| 20:50.22 | Jingcheng_Zhao | AND MOUSE IS WORKING!!! YAYa |
| 20:50.24 | robin_sz | thankfsck |
| 20:50.33 | torr | debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 20:50.34 | Jingcheng_Zhao | thanks guys |
| 20:50.41 | torr | which is on DVD |
| 20:50.42 | Jingcheng_Zhao | but, how do i make it so that i dont have to ever do this again? |
| 20:50.45 | robin_sz | not me .. they did it :) |
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| 20:50.48 | Jingcheng_Zhao | :D |
| 20:50.58 | torr | I put it in and that is what happend |
| 20:50.59 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew: how do i make it so that I dont have to do this again? |
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| 20:51.15 | Guerin | torr: use etch |
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| 20:51.35 | Jingcheng_Zhao | stew:? |
| 20:51.35 | danf_1979 | how is called the package that permits file transfers in a ssh session? I forgot completely. Thought it was ncftp, but nope |
| 20:51.42 | bzed | !tell torr about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 20:51.50 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: how do i save these configurations? do i have to do anything to make sure that i never have to do this again? |
| 20:51.56 | ApEtc | danf_1979: sftp? |
| 20:51.59 | bzed | torr: or use the etch installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:52.06 | Guerin | !kmuto |
| 20:52.08 | danf_1979 | I'll see that ApEtc |
| 20:52.18 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, it shoudl be fixed now. the file is eidted and saved, it shold "just work" |
| 20:52.21 | bzed | torr: depends what you want to install - testing (aka etch) or the old stable (aka sarge) |
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| 20:52.36 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: so i dont hve to do anything? |
| 20:52.38 | torr | I want stable |
| 20:52.50 | Guerin | !kmuto is <reply>For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:52.50 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 20:52.56 | torr | So you think I choose stable and got old hardware too? |
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| 20:53.02 | torr | no drivers? |
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| 20:53.07 | Guerin | torr: stable is stable |
| 20:53.15 | Guerin | torr: it hasn't changed since mid-2005 |
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| 20:53.24 | bzed | !tell torr about stable |
| 20:53.27 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, for futrure reference, if you run sshd on you debian box you will be able to access it remotely from any other PC using an ssh client ... putty for a terminal on windows, or winscp to get at files ... |
| 20:53.27 | bzed | !tell torr about testing |
| 20:53.28 | Guerin | torr: if any of your hardware is newer, chances are it won't work |
| 20:53.42 | Guerin | torr: but you have your answer, so go to it |
| 20:53.54 | bzed | torr: there's a installer for stable with a recent kernel, look what dpkg told you |
| 20:54.17 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: can i add you as a contact for any instant messaging or email? I'd like to keep in touch with the community, and i might need help again :P? |
| 20:54.31 | abrotman | haha |
| 20:54.33 | bzed | ROFL |
| 20:54.35 | abrotman | Jingcheng_Zhao: you could .. come back here |
| 20:54.40 | Jingcheng_Zhao | true |
| 20:54.41 | Guerin | Jingcheng_Zhao: if you want to keep in touch, we're always here |
| 20:54.49 | abrotman | the bots are anyways |
| 20:54.54 | Guerin | except when we're at the pub |
| 20:55.01 | enouf | danf_1979: scp or rsync? |
| 20:55.05 | karsten | Guerin: Speak for yourself. |
| 20:55.12 | bzed | Jingcheng_Zhao: if you need a fixed contact, there're people who help against money ;) |
| 20:55.20 | Guerin | karsten: heh |
| 20:55.24 | Guerin | pubfi! |
| 20:55.32 | enouf | !chug-a-lug karsten |
| 20:55.38 | Jingcheng_Zhao | bzed: lol |
| 20:55.38 | karsten | Guerin: PubOS. |
| 20:55.41 | bzed | !beer enouf |
| 20:55.46 | Jingcheng_Zhao | Alrighty, ill be here |
| 20:55.49 | Guerin | and spliffs |
| 20:56.07 | abrotman | !Pubtime |
| 20:56.07 | dpkg | somebody said pubtime was time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 20:56.08 | enouf | !say bitte bzed |
| 20:56.08 | dpkg | bitte bzed |
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| 20:56.43 | Jingcheng_Zhao | guys |
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| 20:56.47 | Jingcheng_Zhao | how do i check what thing i have? |
| 20:56.47 | Nwallins | enouf: do you think there's any chance the driver performance is degraded because of 32/64 bit issues? |
| 20:56.49 | Jingcheng_Zhao | Lol |
| 20:56.53 | abrotman | !version |
| 20:56.53 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 20:56.54 | torr | I don't understand. Sarge old? no new hardware? solution? |
| 20:56.58 | Jingcheng_Zhao | how do i check what my commands are? |
| 20:56.58 | abrotman | netsurfer: TURN IT OFF |
| 20:57.09 | Jingcheng_Zhao | ive made a command, and forgotten it, cna i check it? |
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| 20:57.18 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, up arrow? |
| 20:57.20 | davi84mn | this night pussy |
| 20:57.27 | xjkx | i have a server, i want to make an email redirection, like myname@myserver to myname@gmail.com, how do i do this? |
| 20:57.28 | abrotman | netsurfer: have your stupid mirc script react to some other character besides ! |
| 20:57.29 | phantom_ | hey, how do I use tune2fs so that if I want certain FS to be checked on the next reboot? |
| 20:57.36 | davi84mn | gooooooodevening |
| 20:57.42 | davi84mn | i love you all! |
| 20:57.50 | abrotman | figures |
| 20:57.53 | xjkx | like they send emails to myname@myserver but i get on myname@gmail.com |
| 20:57.54 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, less ~/.bash_history will also show you everyting you have typoed |
| 20:58.12 | Jingcheng_Zhao | cool, thanks |
| 20:58.16 | stew | heh, i'm wondering if that was actually a typo |
| 20:58.23 | enouf | Nwallins: well .. just maybe not playing nice together .. but sure , anythings possible .. I'm trying to keep you in the FOSS realm . (no binary blobs) .. but some AMD64 info here http://xoomer.alice.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#amd64notes |
| 20:59.06 | karsten | Jingcheng_Zhao: 'history' will show recently issued commends. Your commands are either: 1: on your search path (more later), 2: aliases, 3: shell functions, or 4: shell buitlins. |
| 20:59.06 | robin_sz | stew, nope :) |
| 20:59.07 | stew | :) |
| 20:59.07 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah, I don't need proprietary drivers -- they are mainly for 3D |
| 20:59.08 | xjkx | anyone? |
| 20:59.17 | Guerin | xjkx: depends on your mail server |
| 20:59.21 | Guerin | xjkx: rtfd |
| 20:59.22 | Nwallins | enouf: all I care about is decent 2d performance -- dragging windows, scrolling ,etc |
| 20:59.23 | stoned | how do I find out exactly which options a package was compiled with? |
| 20:59.31 | karsten | Jingcheng_Zhao: path: echo $PATH, it's a list of directories you'll find executables in. 'alias' will list known aliases. 'typeset -f' will show defined functions. 'man builtins' will show you bash builtins. |
| 20:59.34 | Guerin | stoned: download the debian-rules file |
| 20:59.40 | Guerin | err debian/rules |
| 20:59.43 | karsten | stoned: source package. |
| 20:59.48 | karsten | stoned: Also at pdo. |
| 20:59.48 | stoned | ok |
| 20:59.48 | robin_sz | stew, when you go to sleep tonight a small voice will keep shouting "I need help: no screens found" .. for ever and ever |
| 20:59.52 | xjkx | Guerin, like sendmail can do? |
| 20:59.54 | enouf | Nwallins: what I would do is do an lspci -vv as root on your VGA FireGL .. then go hunting for info on google and elsewhere ads it pertains to Debian's AMD64 port, Xorg (Xfree86), etcand |
| 20:59.55 | hark | phantom_: touch /forcefsck or shutdown -F |
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| 21:00.04 | enouf | s/ads/as |
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| 21:00.07 | Guerin | xjkx: any mta can do, but they all have different configuration. |
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| 21:00.19 | xjkx | Guerin, does it eat too much conection? |
| 21:00.19 | enouf | Nwallins: i completely understand that .. |
| 21:00.31 | torr | and what about my DVD, is that useless? |
| 21:00.36 | Guerin | xjkx: it's just like sending an email |
| 21:00.47 | Guerin | !htfswk torr |
| 21:00.48 | dpkg | torr: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 21:00.49 | Jingcheng_Zhao | is anyone here familiar with creating a CS:source server? |
| 21:01.03 | Guerin | Jingcheng_Zhao: this isn't a g4m3r d00d ch4n3l |
| 21:01.04 | xjkx | Guerin, but it gets a lot of emails and send to users, maybe eat too much :s |
| 21:01.11 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, you mean CVS |
| 21:01.18 | Jingcheng_Zhao | guerin: i know, but my situation is similar |
| 21:01.19 | Guerin | xjkx: what machine is it running on? |
| 21:01.27 | wols | robin_sz: good one :) |
| 21:01.32 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: no, i am doing something similar to the game CS:source servers |
| 21:01.52 | enouf | Nwallins: FWIW.. I had issues with my old nvidia tnt2 using the xfree86 drivers (nv) .. but it's atleast AGP (uses agpgart) and the Xorg nv driver seems very refined now ..though ANY desktop Env like KDE, will cause lag/redrawing .. but I'm on a pII w/320RAM ;-) |
| 21:01.56 | wols | Jingcheng_Zhao: considering CS:Source is very very closed source, this is definitely the rong channel |
| 21:02.09 | enouf | Nwallins: the tnt2 is 32MB AGP card |
| 21:02.17 | Jingcheng_Zhao | wols: sry guys, but i just needed some.... advice |
| 21:02.17 | robin_sz | Jingcheng_Zhao, you need to first spend a short time getting to kow your linux system ... say, oh, a couple of weeks |
| 21:02.29 | xjkx | Guerin, no idea :> but its not the machine, i am asking about the conection xD |
| 21:02.29 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: how? |
| 21:02.41 | Jingcheng_Zhao | robin_sz: how? id love to get to learn it mroe... but how? |
| 21:02.46 | Guerin | xjkx: well, the only way to know is to test |
| 21:03.17 | robin_sz | sit with it in a room and do stuff ... copy files, install software .. run irc clients, write documents |
| 21:03.32 | Guerin | listen to music, watch movies |
| 21:03.34 | bzed | Nwallins: E17 is supposed to be very fast on old boxes, but e17 is still not released... but the code from cvs seems to be pretty stable |
| 21:03.40 | enouf | Nwallins: I mean it won't hurt to throw an older ATi (7500-9800) or nvidia AGP card (fx-5200) whatever in there (AGP) .. heck PCIe if you have a slot avail .. if necessary |
| 21:03.47 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah, I don't think h/w is my problem. I remember having much snappier xorg performance on much worse boxes |
| 21:03.47 | hark | Jingcheng_Zhao: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 21:03.55 | Guerin | do all the things you normally want to do - when you have trouble, stick at it |
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| 21:03.58 | Jingcheng_Zhao | hark: huh? |
| 21:04.09 | IgorSobreira | how can i mount my usbdisk |
| 21:04.13 | hark | Jingcheng_Zhao: forget it |
| 21:04.18 | Jingcheng_Zhao | hark: kk |
| 21:04.19 | robin_sz | !tell Jingcheng_Zhao about grounding |
| 21:04.28 | Guerin | IgorSobreira: man mount |
| 21:04.36 | Nwallins | bzed: I am running dual opteron 2GHz / 2GB -- yet my 2d window performance sucks -- ATI Rage XL 8MB onboard video |
| 21:04.45 | Guerin | !tell IgorSobreira about usb storage |
| 21:04.54 | theblue | Someone call for me earlier? |
| 21:05.07 | Guerin | theblue: /lastlog theblue |
| 21:05.08 | bzed | Nwallins: is it probably sdupported by the fglx...whateveritwascalled driver from ati? |
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| 21:05.11 | hark | theblue: lastlog |
| 21:05.28 | Nwallins | bzed: nah, that is for 3d stuff |
| 21:06.13 | bzed | Nwallins: well... a good 3d driver somestimes works well for 2d stuff, too ;) |
| 21:06.35 | Daejeo1 | how can i restart the apache server |
| 21:06.52 | enouf | Nwallins: go over all your BIOS settings (Default Display adapter), Aperture settings, Allocated RAM for video and such (since it draws from System RAM) all the apic, ioapic, acpi, ahci settings as I mentioned .. make sure your kernel cmdline isn't invoking anything like "noapic" (cat /proc/cmdline) |
| 21:06.55 | theblue | Guess not, backscroll and lastlog don't go back that far. |
| 21:06.55 | bzed | Daejeo1: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 21:07.03 | Zaggynl | I would like to include toshiba support in the kernel on my laptop, anyone would know how to do so or can point me to a guide? |
| 21:07.14 | hark | theblue: no one did.. |
| 21:07.36 | wols | compile your own kernel |
| 21:07.36 | enouf | Nwallins: which Mother board is that? |
| 21:07.54 | enouf | and those are s940 optys? I suppose |
| 21:08.10 | enouf | duh .. they have to be .. the 2xx seeries |
| 21:08.18 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah |
| 21:08.20 | wols | enouf: it doesn't use main memory. it's workstation/server board that has a build in rage xl. tyan and the like make such boards |
| 21:08.32 | Nwallins | enouf: Tyan k8SRE (s2891) |
| 21:08.40 | wols | it's designed as a server only |
| 21:08.44 | Nwallins | bzed: ah, perhaps |
| 21:08.53 | enouf | wols: won't it draw from system if you set it as such? |
| 21:08.58 | wols | Nwallins: he is wrong. fglry will not work |
| 21:09.01 | Nwallins | enouf: s940, dual 246's IIRC |
| 21:09.08 | wols | enouf: not the rage xl |
| 21:09.08 | enouf | Nwallins: yep |
| 21:09.17 | bzed | wols: does dri work? |
| 21:09.19 | enouf | wols: ok .. don't know them well |
| 21:09.42 | enouf | wols: So .. he's entirely limited to ONLY 8MB of video RAM ? |
| 21:09.56 | wols | it's a server. it's not for playing games .... |
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| 21:10.07 | wols | rage xl is the standard for those kinda mobos |
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| 21:10.17 | enouf | Nwallins: you're screwed as far as trying to run DEs and even X smothly |
| 21:10.29 | Nwallins | enouf: why is that? |
| 21:10.30 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 21:10.39 | wols | enouf: for 2D, 8MB is more than enough. you can run 1600x1200 there |
| 21:10.40 | enouf | Nwallins: 8MB gets you only so far |
| 21:10.53 | Nwallins | enouf: only matters for color depth and resolution, which is fine as is |
| 21:10.53 | enouf | wols: not the REsolution .. but the DE |
| 21:11.07 | wols | my notebook has 2.5MB and can run 1024x768 fine |
| 21:11.10 | enouf | wllag dragging around DE windows |
| 21:11.13 | enouf | wols: |
| 21:11.19 | enouf | lag |
| 21:11.26 | hark | no |
| 21:11.27 | wols | that has nothing to do with amount of ram. only speed |
| 21:11.28 | Nwallins | wols: yes, how is the window refresh? dragging windows, scrolling? |
| 21:11.35 | wols | and rage should be fastenough in 2D |
| 21:11.38 | Nwallins | that is my problem.. scrolling firefox is like 3 FPS |
| 21:11.39 | enouf | Resolution !=redrawing capability |
| 21:11.57 | wols | redrawing is uprely speed. not amount of RAM |
| 21:12.16 | wols | only reason you need 500MB on a videocard nowadays is textures and z-axis stuff |
| 21:12.19 | wols | no other reason |
| 21:12.24 | wols | all that doesn#t apply in 2D |
| 21:12.28 | enouf | wols: not when video cache ram is involved on the PCI bus as opppesed to AGP |
| 21:12.31 | Guerin | yes |
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| 21:12.52 | Guerin | you can get acceptable 2d performance from a 2MB s3 ViRGE |
| 21:13.02 | wols | Guerin: I did that. on a 2MB trio |
| 21:13.04 | enouf | no capisce! .. ok .. |
| 21:13.05 | Nwallins | http://ati.amd.com/products/server/ragexl/features.html -- graphics clock - 83 MHZ |
| 21:13.07 | Guerin | yep. |
| 21:13.18 | omry | anyone knows of a tool that can send http posts (structured as I want them)? |
| 21:13.24 | enouf | He wants to run a full blown DE .. ok oh mighty dense ones |
| 21:13.29 | wols | Nwallins: the speed in 2D mainly comes from the accleration |
| 21:13.38 | Nwallins | wols: where is that? |
| 21:13.38 | wols | which is why you must have the proper driver that uses the card |
| 21:13.43 | wols | what do you use now? |
| 21:13.43 | Nwallins | wols: ok |
| 21:13.52 | Nwallins | wols: vesa looks best, ati also works, but looks fuzzy |
| 21:13.58 | Nwallins | both are crappy performers |
| 21:14.16 | enouf | there's the word --> performance .. hehe |
| 21:14.35 | dotCOMmie | I have a question not so related to debian but maybe someone can help me. |
| 21:14.41 | dotCOMmie | so, As far as I understand NFS provides some optimization for rsync, does smb also have something like this? |
| 21:14.44 | theblue | hark, Ok then. |
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| 21:15.03 | Nwallins | i think the only way the memory amount would matter in 2d is if the card is swapping somehow -- is that a possiblity? |
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| 21:16.10 | wols | yes, possible with agp but irrelevant |
| 21:16.13 | abrotman | you can still blit |
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| 21:16.37 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 21:16.42 | abrotman | where's zinx when you need him :) |
| 21:16.47 | wols | why it happens is, either run accelerated and then all is well or you run it as a framebuffer/VESA only and then you get what you get now |
| 21:16.58 | Nwallins | wols: ok, that makes sense |
| 21:17.14 | karsten | Is there anythign that acts like ion, but is runnable inside another window manager? Eg: a client which will manage other clients in fixed locations on the screen? |
| 21:17.19 | jahshua | hi |
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| 21:17.32 | sine | Hello. Could please someone help me with this: man: error while loading shared libraries: libgdbm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied .. after using man.. |
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| 21:17.41 | Nwallins | wols: is framebuffer mode a distinct setting, or is it enabled by choosing 'vesa' ? |
| 21:17.50 | sine | I am using debian unstable.. |
| 21:18.19 | Nwallins | wols: I think maybe r128 driver will do the trick |
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| 21:18.23 | theblue | How do I allow unauthenticated packages (i.e., ignore the key) using etch RC1 on a Linksys NSLU2 (arm)? |
| 21:18.36 | theblue | I'm trying to do a new install, and I don't see an option anywhere. |
| 21:19.03 | enouf | wols: I see the specs now .. it is an AGP onboard chip .. ok .. do you think maybe agpgart (lack of) can be the issue? |
| 21:19.15 | karsten | sine: Sounds like an incompletely installed or corrupted library. |
| 21:19.18 | enouf | Nwallins: cat /var/log/dmesg.0 | grep agpgart |
| 21:19.27 | Nwallins | enouf: adding to my notes ;) |
| 21:19.28 | wols | enouf: I think something like DRI or FB or so could |
| 21:19.46 | karsten | sine: aptitude install --reinstall libgdbm3 |
| 21:19.50 | karsten | sine: ... and try again. |
| 21:20.32 | Nwallins | wols: ati website recommended DRI for older cards (but I think they meant for 3D performance, generally) |
| 21:20.51 | sine | karsten: I tryied and after I run ldconfig, but it is still same.. |
| 21:20.59 | enouf | Nwallins: check also using lsmod | grep agp |
| 21:21.02 | enouf | Nwallins: see http://pastebin.ca/374865 |
| 21:21.03 | sine | s/after/then |
| 21:21.16 | karsten | sine: run strace on man then. |
| 21:21.21 | Nwallins | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Hardware-HOWTO/video.shtml says to use ati driver for rage XL -- but I did, and the performance sucks and the display is fuzzy |
| 21:21.32 | enouf | Nwallins: naturally extrapolate, sicne I'm using nvidia |
| 21:21.39 | Nwallins | enouf: sho nuf |
| 21:21.42 | wols | do you have framebuffer on? |
| 21:21.50 | Nwallins | wols: dunno |
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| 21:21.57 | Nwallins | wols: how is that controlled? |
| 21:22.01 | wols | does your console run 80x25? |
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| 21:22.06 | Nwallins | wols: yup |
| 21:22.13 | wols | kernel drivre/module among other things |
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| 21:22.32 | sine | karsten: very strange..with strace it workds |
| 21:22.34 | sine | -d |
| 21:22.39 | wols | does it look like DOS or is it graphics which scrolls kinda slower, different? |
| 21:22.50 | Nwallins | wols: it's full screen, 80x25, like you said |
| 21:22.57 | Nwallins | wols: from boot. then `startx` to load X |
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| 21:23.22 | helena | hello - so having followed the debian reference guide, I now have unstable; however kernel version seems to be 2.6.8 and apt-cache doesn't find anything newer... i would expect something much newer? what's goig on? |
| 21:23.27 | Nwallins | wols: but machine will not be running X, generally -- mainly for ad hoc admin tasks |
| 21:23.37 | abrotman | helena: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 21:23.38 | stoned | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: diversions involved - output may be incorrect diversion by fglrx-driver to: /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 <-- the package I am building compiles fine, no errors really except this. What does this mean? |
| 21:23.49 | helena | abrotman: ah, not kernel-image? |
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| 21:24.01 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 21:24.04 | stoned | whats this diversion stuff |
| 21:24.05 | abrotman | helena: not anymore |
| 21:24.13 | Nwallins | wols: if the scenario i described is not compatible with disabling framebuffer, I would rather have decent X performance |
| 21:24.19 | Nwallins | (and disable framebuffer) |
| 21:24.22 | enouf | Nwallins: if you already have a 2.6.16 or above kernel .. forget this .. if not .. you might try a newer kernel image for the heck of it. but beware about possible udev and other breakage going from <=2.6.16 to >=2.6.16 .. but that .. as a last resort I guess also .. and do NOT remove the older kernel ;-) |
| 21:24.25 | helena | i've not used debian for about 18 months... out of date |
| 21:24.44 | sine | karsten: do you have some idea? (I am not good with gdb) |
| 21:25.14 | karsten | sine: Sorry, wasn't paying attention. |
| 21:25.14 | Ramattack | when you have an ext3 filesystem..... and resize it to bigger.... you would get more blocks... but more inodes too? |
| 21:25.15 | enouf | Nwallins: ok .. outta ideas .. without further feedback .. |
| 21:25.35 | wols | Nwallins: you will use it via ssh. framebuffer doesn't matter |
| 21:25.37 | Nwallins | enouf: hmm... it seems like all I need to do is disable framebuffer (and deal with consequences), no? |
| 21:25.41 | wols | this is a machine to be used headless |
| 21:25.42 | Nwallins | wols: precisely |
| 21:25.45 | karsten | sine: Hrm. OK, that I think means that man does different stuff when it's generating output to a pager than directly. |
| 21:25.59 | enouf | Nwallins: yep .. that was one of my 1st suggests ;-) |
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| 21:26.26 | Ramattack | anybody knows this please? |
| 21:26.27 | karsten | sine: And no, I don't really have time to help in detail right now, but you're going down the path I'd suggest. |
| 21:26.39 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah, and I remember saying, yes, I think that is it. I just don't understand the whole framebuffer issue very well |
| 21:26.45 | Nwallins | enouf: :) |
| 21:26.48 | enouf | Nwallins: when I mentioned (asked you about) FB, it wasn't that you "should" enable it in X .. hence why I said /msg dpkg drxx ;-) |
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| 21:27.08 | Nwallins | so, is it just a line in xorg.conf? |
| 21:27.21 | Fahrenheit | Hello everyobdy, do you know if the 2.6.20 kernel will be integrated in the apt ? |
| 21:27.23 | Nwallins | or just do drxx? |
| 21:27.38 | Nwallins | i don't remember answering 'yes' to any fb questions the first time, that's all |
| 21:27.48 | Daveman | Hi abrotman |
| 21:27.53 | karsten | Fahrenheit: apt doesn't "integrate" a kernel. |
| 21:27.53 | enouf | Nwallins: all you need to know .. is that Console can benefit from it .. any X or DE diminishes/hurts using it .. UNLESS. you're one of our special gurus, configurators |
| 21:27.55 | abrotman | HI DAVEMAN! |
| 21:28.05 | Daveman | Hello :) |
| 21:28.19 | Nwallins | enouf: I don't remember enabling it. but if drxx can disable it, that's what I will do :D |
| 21:28.23 | karsten | Fahrenheit: If you want to know current packaging status: /msg dpkg search; /msg dpkg pdo; ms/msg dpkg excuses |
| 21:28.36 | stew | Fahrenheit: whatever is current upstream AFTER etch releases will be packaged for unstable, maybe 2.6.20, maybe 2.6.21... |
| 21:28.36 | Fahrenheit | kartsen : I no, I'm didn't said it clearly, |
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| 21:28.43 | Fahrenheit | stew : ok |
| 21:28.43 | enouf | Nwallins: it'll ask "Enable KERNEL FB support?" |
| 21:28.46 | Fahrenheit | stew : thx |
| 21:29.00 | Nwallins | enouf: ok, I'll look for it. thanks again -- wols too :) |
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| 21:30.03 | Nwallins | does the fact that the ati driver looks fuzzy right now, imply that fb is enabled? |
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| 21:30.31 | Nwallins | i've never seen a blurry image on a normally operating CRT. |
| 21:30.38 | wols | drxx says that X and FB sometimes clash |
| 21:30.39 | enouf | Nwallins: you may be thinking of an anit-aliasing font issue for all we know |
| 21:30.42 | Nwallins | but the ati driver looks like doodoo |
| 21:30.45 | Nwallins | no, it's not AA |
| 21:30.52 | enouf | ok |
| 21:30.52 | wols | Nwallins: blurry means probably bad refresh |
| 21:30.54 | helena | abrotman: sorted - thanks |
| 21:30.57 | wols | e.g. interlaced graphics |
| 21:31.01 | wols | that can be very blurry indeed |
| 21:31.16 | enouf | Nwallins: LCD or CRT? |
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| 21:31.36 | Nwallins | it looked like a bad monitor -- until I hooked a diff computer up to it -- then changed driver to vesa and it looked better |
| 21:31.36 | Rapp | hi everyone |
| 21:31.36 | enouf | Nwallins: apt-get install hwinfo; hwinfo --monitor |
| 21:31.36 | Nwallins | enouf: CRT - > 5 years old |
| 21:31.39 | Rapp | is someone here who uses exim4 and dspam on debian? |
| 21:31.42 | Nwallins | NEC somethingSync |
| 21:31.45 | wols | sure, if vesa uses a different refresh setting. could be |
| 21:32.09 | wols | NECs work well. they don't look blurry :) |
| 21:32.34 | Nwallins | wols: yup - it looks fantastic in certain scenarios |
| 21:32.38 | enouf | erm multisync |
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| 21:33.16 | wols | bah... I hugh my samsung 755 :) equally sharp and definitely cheaper :P |
| 21:33.33 | enouf | heh .. |
| 21:33.34 | Nwallins | wols: the refresh, is that something I specify in xorg.conf under monitor? or is it tied to the driver somewhere deeper? |
| 21:33.53 | wols | yes, xorg.conf is at least a part of it |
| 21:34.48 | Nwallins | hmm.. i am just thinking that when I swapped from ati to vesa, i didn't change any refresh settings |
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| 21:35.27 | wols | the driver can use a different setting depending on xorg.conf settings with monitor rates |
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| 21:36.01 | Guerin | ok, either: i've forgotten two root passwords in the last few days, or something is changing them |
| 21:36.14 | Guerin | (or there's a bug in PAM) |
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| 21:36.32 | wols | you have gremlins in your box Guerin |
| 21:36.46 | enouf | Guerin: it's cause you've been hitting the bong |
| 21:36.58 | Guerin | heh |
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| 21:38.05 | Nwallins | wols: the FB in question, is this fbdev, as in http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/fbdev.4.html ? |
| 21:38.26 | wols | no |
| 21:38.44 | wols | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html |
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| 21:39.19 | concept10 | I need a C to python translator |
| 21:41.03 | wols | good luck |
| 21:41.15 | wols | maybe there is one when hard AI has been solved |
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| 21:41.33 | concept10 | I meant a human :) |
| 21:41.40 | enouf | Nwallins: I asked you to install the kerneldocs http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/fb/?v=2.6.11;a=x86_64.. note the x86_64 and 2.6.11 , but you can nav to higher kernels |
| 21:42.16 | enouf | wols: heh .. I gave him/her that exact link much earleir |
| 21:42.27 | Nwallins | enouf: yeah, I still had it open |
| 21:42.33 | Nwallins | the X section of that doc mentions fbdev |
| 21:42.34 | hark | concept10: ##c #python |
| 21:42.47 | stoned | argh |
| 21:42.59 | stoned | fucking xml parser |
| 21:43.01 | karsten | enouf: So, I was looking through the LDAP book last night. |
| 21:43.02 | Nwallins | so, I am not sure if the FB i am concerned with is 'fbcon' or 'fbdev' or 'vesafb' |
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| 21:43.11 | enouf | !penixsmite all XML |
| 21:43.15 | karsten | enouf: POSIX schema specifies UID, as a name, though. |
| 21:43.23 | karsten | enouf: My first thought was "Prisoner" |
| 21:43.27 | wols | karsten: poor you |
| 21:43.30 | enouf | heh |
| 21:43.50 | Nwallins | enouf: wow, that last link looks nice |
| 21:43.54 | wols | Nwallins: but it means X runs on top of FB. fbdec is the vesa or ati equivalent |
| 21:44.09 | enouf | Nwallins: it's installable ;-) |
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| 21:44.13 | stoned | pow pow bang bang! |
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| 21:44.24 | enouf | Nwallins: apt-cache linux-doc |
| 21:44.35 | enouf | Nwallins: ermm apt-cache search linux-doc |
| 21:44.37 | Nwallins | wols: so, long story short, drxx should be able to get it disabled for me |
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| 21:45.48 | enouf | !tell Nwallins -about grounding |
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| 21:47.17 | Nwallins | ok, heading home to apply all this newfound nollidge - thanks all :) |
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| 21:51.53 | Milesy2 | Hi folks. I just tried to go through the debian graphical installer. It failed on doing my wireless setup. I entered the SSID and then WEP key both in xx:xx:xx:xx... format and s:passphrase format |
| 21:52.02 | twobitsprite | wow... yesterday I ran "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hdb1" and it's still running today!! It's a 10G drive... does that make sense to any of you? I don't see it doing anything in top, and the HDD light isn't doing much... |
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| 21:53.00 | Guerin | !wayttd twobitsprite |
| 21:53.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, twobitsprite? |
| 21:53.03 | stew | twobitsprite: you wre probably starved of entropy, if you had used /dev/urandom it would have been done by now, probably |
| 21:53.08 | Guerin | yes |
| 21:53.21 | jmalicki_ | twobitsprite: you need more entropy, or use urandom |
| 21:53.23 | Guerin | if you're trying to wipe it of all data, use wipe(1) |
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| 21:53.37 | Guerin | or shred |
| 21:54.23 | twobitsprite | jmalicki_: interesting... entropy = mouse/keyboard randomness? |
| 21:54.41 | twobitsprite | also, I always heard that urandom was slower...? |
| 21:54.43 | Guerin | twobitsprite: randomness froma variety of sources, of which those are two |
| 21:55.02 | Guerin | urandom is slower, and less random, but it never runs out of entropy |
| 21:55.24 | twobitsprite | I see... how long is the cycle on urandom? will there be a pattern in 10Gs? |
| 21:55.25 | jmalicki_ | twobitsprite: and other |
| 21:55.27 | karsten | Guerin: It's slower? |
| 21:55.28 | stew | slower over the short haul, faster over the long haul if there is a shortage of entropy |
| 21:55.51 | jmalicki_ | if you're dd'ing 10s of GBs you should be using urandom. |
| 21:55.58 | Guerin | karsten: aiui, since it generates prns rather than reading them from an existing list |
| 21:56.00 | stew | or shred or wipe |
| 21:56.03 | jmalicki_ | yes |
| 21:56.12 | karsten | Guerin: Dig. |
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| 21:56.51 | karsten | twobitsprite: I'd recommend: shred or wipe myself. If you must use dd, do zeros first, then patterns. Random is good but really slow. |
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| 21:57.17 | Guerin | use the gutmann algorithm |
| 21:57.27 | karsten | twobitsprite: Unless your risk is people spending tens of thousands of dollars on MFM, you're in pretty good shape. |
| 21:57.35 | karsten | Guerin: ... which is spelled "shred" or "wipe". |
| 21:57.36 | Guerin | possibly New Zealand's only major contribution to computer security |
| 21:57.41 | karsten | Guerin: ... that's what they implement. |
| 21:57.42 | Guerin | karsten: yesh :) |
| 21:57.44 | twobitsprite | karsten: well... I don't want patterns, that's the thing... and does shred use random number, or just all ones, then all zeros, etc...? |
| 21:57.50 | twobitsprite | the man page doesn't say |
| 21:57.50 | karsten | Guerin: That and the impenetrable accent! |
| 21:58.00 | DAddYE | sorry |
| 21:58.06 | karsten | twobitsprite: First zeros, then a few optimized patterns, then random. |
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| 21:58.18 | DAddYE | any have a good way to install install mysql5 on sarge? |
| 21:58.21 | enouf | twobitsprite: you're sure you dd'ed the correct parition ? hehe |
| 21:58.25 | Guerin | DAddYE: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:58.34 | enouf | twobitsprite: try dban.sf.net |
| 21:58.35 | karsten | twobitsprite: Think of it this way: first pass should make recovery expensive. Additional passes increasingly trade speed for security. |
| 21:58.41 | twobitsprite | enouf: lol... yes, I re-read the line about 10 times before hitting enter |
| 21:58.42 | DAddYE | any have a good way to install install mysql5 on sarge? |
| 21:58.48 | Guerin | DAddYE: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:58.57 | Guerin | DAddYE: how long do you want to play this game? |
| 21:59.08 | ghatak | Hi guys, how do i burn a CD. i have inserted a disk in CD burner, when i do cdrecord -scanbus, it returns only my SCSI hard drive... Help |
| 21:59.10 | DAddYE | Guerin: sorry I thinked u are a boot |
| 21:59.15 | twobitsprite | shred won't try to delete /dev/hdb1 will it? |
| 21:59.16 | DAddYE | Guerin: is a bot? |
| 21:59.19 | Guerin | DAddYE: so what if I am? |
| 21:59.38 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutmann_method |
| 21:59.38 | enouf | twobitsprite: OH... when you said "it's still running today" .. hehe I thought you meant the drive is still functioning as normal .. ala No Data overwritten .. :-) |
| 21:59.45 | DAddYE | Guerin: u don't answer to my question |
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| 22:00.05 | Guerin | DAddYE: How does u don't answer to my question make you feel? |
| 22:00.06 | enouf | twobitsprite: the dd coammnd is still running .. doh! |
| 22:00.18 | twobitsprite | enouf: hahaha... yeah, that would be a bad thing :P |
| 22:00.19 | DAddYE | Guerin: u are a boot |
| 22:00.21 | DAddYE | ;) |
| 22:00.28 | Guerin | DAddYE: we're talking about me, not u. |
| 22:00.30 | DAddYE | Guerin: u are a bot |
| 22:00.36 | enouf | twobitsprite: shows how misunderstandings of context can occur .. |
| 22:00.55 | wols | Guerin: not only your PC has gremlins, seems it has infected you now |
| 22:00.56 | enouf | twobitsprite: that's why I asked about possible wrong partition .. heh |
| 22:01.17 | Guerin | wols: and why do you think your PC has gremlins? |
| 22:01.34 | wols | your pasting into eliza is very fast |
| 22:01.38 | karsten | Gueliza: Your MBR is now u! |
| 22:01.40 | enouf | !botbuild Gueliza |
| 22:01.41 | cokeslut | Hi |
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| 22:01.47 | Gueliza | karsten: u |
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| 22:01.59 | enouf | cokeslut: got any lines ? |
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| 22:02.30 | enouf | ermm questions related to debian? |
| 22:03.42 | MidgetSpy | hey all i'm trying to install etch and I've set up my network but I can't seem to access any of the apt mirrors. is there a way I can access a command line to see what's up with the network? I can ping the computer on my internal network (as it sits at the apt screen) so it should be able to access the internet but evidently there's something wrong. |
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| 22:04.04 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: can you ping xe.com? |
| 22:04.08 | karsten | MidgetSpy: ctrl-F2 |
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| 22:04.23 | wols | MidgetSpy: ping google |
| 22:04.29 | karsten | MidgetSpy: erm, <alt><F2> Should give you a shell with dash and busybox. |
| 22:06.45 | enouf | MidgetSpy: and all others --> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 22:06.45 | treyh0 | how come openoffice.org in etch and sid (and even version 2.1) from experimental has really blurry fonts and ignores the font anti-alias settings of my gnome desktop? |
| 22:06.46 | cokeslut | not sure |
| 22:06.47 | MidgetSpy | from the alt+f2 console it says ping not found, heh |
| 22:06.52 | enouf | Since the RC1 breakage, now the Dailies are even having an issue .. No networking .. install BASE only during Install (from Media directly only0 .. THEN use apt-get and mirrors |
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| 22:07.04 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:07.08 | Guerin | it's a bit crap eh |
| 22:07.18 | wols | s/bit// |
| 22:07.22 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: chroot /target |
| 22:07.29 | MidgetSpy | ok enouf I'll try that |
| 22:07.36 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: that should give you a full (minimal) system |
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| 22:08.34 | enouf | Actually .. not too long ago .. there was "found" (hehe) a udev script conmcerning authentication, that somehow never made it into the builds, yet didn't break anything until added .. now the fallout (temporarily0 |
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| 22:09.26 | enouf | and i mean for like a ful year never made it in .. someday, someone will write all about it ;-) |
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| 22:11.01 | arthur | I cannot install debian etch. The cd hangs at select and install software ... 5%. I've tried the netinstall cd, the full cd1 for etch, and it always hangs at the same point. any suggestions? I've tried doing just the base install, I've tried installing desktop, . . . 3 weeks now and I can't get debian etch to install. I can install sarge, but it doesn't seem to upgrade cleanly to etch. suggestions? xubuntu installs fine, but I |
| 22:11.01 | arthur | ubuntu, so I refuse to use it. |
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| 22:11.28 | karsten | arthur: Verify your CD image. |
| 22:11.37 | Guerin | arthur: drop to a shell, chroot, install the latest key |
| 22:11.39 | karsten | arthur: Same disk always or different? |
| 22:11.42 | treyh0 | arthur: did you boot with debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true ? |
| 22:11.44 | Guerin | arthur: see topic |
| 22:11.45 | karsten | Guerin: Ah. |
| 22:11.59 | Guerin | oh, doing what treyh0 said is probably sane too |
| 22:12.00 | karsten | arthur: NM. |
| 22:12.19 | treyh0 | arthur: at the boot prompt for the installation, type 'install debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' |
| 22:12.31 | enouf | heh .. these are the kind of issues a\our developers are struggling wiith day to day --> " Oh joy, the desktop task has grown by another 100MB" |
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| 22:13.37 | enouf | treyh0: yes . that's the temp fix indeed .. thanks |
| 22:13.58 | treyh0 | etch is getting really polished :) the *only* complaint i have is blurry fonts with openoffice.org |
| 22:14.57 | enouf | well .. if I even used it, maybe I'd care :-).. but mucho work has been done with international languages and font support in Debian overall |
| 22:15.21 | arthur | ty, I'll try all the above suggestions. |
| 22:15.27 | enouf | treyh0: looking forward to RC2 .. w00t! |
| 22:15.28 | MidgetSpy | how do I reconfigure my network? it put it back to dhcp for some reason, heh |
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| 22:16.22 | enouf | MidgetSpy: at what stage during install are you? |
| 22:16.37 | MidgetSpy | enouf: done install, I installed the base and booted it. |
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| 22:17.07 | enouf | MidgetSpy: ok .. man interfaces .. go into /etc/network/interfaces and add the correct entiries |
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| 22:17.52 | m6502 | Hello... did anyone else expeience ext3 corruption using etch with kernel 2.6.18-3-686 ? |
| 22:18.15 | enouf | MidgetSpy: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 22:18.56 | enouf | m6502: not here .. but ermm any peculiarities you cae to share? |
| 22:19.30 | CBG | Hi, on an intel imac here, wanting to install bootable x86 debian onto an external firewire drive. My question: how should I format the drive first? Can I partition it and have part as Mac OS Extended as well as formatting the rest to install debian? |
| 22:19.30 | enouf | like XFS and dmcrypt in RAID or somesuch? |
| 22:19.33 | earthian | m6502, what happened? i have a currped disk right now and searching deeply internet to find a way to restore at least some files |
| 22:19.53 | earthian | corruped* |
| 22:19.56 | jmalicki_ | m6502: actually, yes..... |
| 22:20.02 | jmalicki_ | m6502: that's a well known problem |
| 22:20.06 | earthian | :o |
| 22:20.12 | jmalicki_ | m6502: well, i think its -3? |
| 22:20.29 | jmalicki_ | m6502: is it only when files are mmaped, corruption in, say, .db files or apt cache? |
| 22:20.34 | m6502 | enouf: i was trying to get ndiswrapper + an usb wireless dongle working and got that terrible new... i just switched to etch so i was wondering if the problem could be the windows driver or just the new kernel... |
| 22:21.28 | earthian | oh... heh.. probably windows driver. especially if it is provided by microsoft itself |
| 22:21.38 | jmalicki_ | m6502: that's one of the few kernels in the past several years with known corruption. |
| 22:22.15 | m6502 | jmalicki: i saw the problem after expanding a tar ... i got directories with those ugly question marks that not even root could remove |
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| 22:22.45 | earthian | anybody here familiar with data restoration from a lost ext3 dmraid partition??? Can you help me restore couple-or-all files there? |
| 22:22.47 | DAddYE | can any explain me usage of backport? |
| 22:22.53 | jmalicki_ | earthian: thats osmething different |
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| 22:23.01 | psycose | hi |
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| 22:23.35 | DAddYE | where is my bot? |
| 22:23.38 | enouf | DAddYE: /msg dpkg backports . see the FAQ/help/ |
| 22:23.39 | psycose | i'm looking for the Debian Sparc64 testing errata page ... any tips thanks |
| 22:23.42 | earthian | jmalicki_, what is different? |
| 22:23.55 | enouf | erm faq/docs |
| 22:24.13 | jmalicki_ | earthian: you got it by using tar. |
| 22:24.16 | mindframe | do i have to be running a samba server to join a windows domain? |
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| 22:24.25 | jmalicki_ | earthian: it could easily be disk corruption |
| 22:24.29 | jmalicki_ | rather than fs corruption |
| 22:24.31 | enouf | earthian: m6502 see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/current/changelog search the page for "corruption" folllow to the bug reports |
| 22:24.32 | m6502 | what is the procedure now ? that is the only kernel I see in aptitude, so i need to recompile one and this sounds scary, given that my machine now can corrupt the file system ... |
| 22:24.35 | DAddYE | enouf: I just see |
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| 22:25.08 | earthian | enouf, jmalicki_ mine is not related to the kernel i think |
| 22:25.11 | enouf | earthian: though your issue may be completely different than m6502 's |
| 22:25.19 | arthur | ok.. that worked. My question is this, why/how last night was i able to get through the installer without the "/allow_unauthenticated=true' ? also, why haven't i read anything about this bug in the latest etch builds? |
| 22:25.21 | enouf | right |
| 22:25.31 | jmalicki_ | m6502: i may be thinking of -2? i need to check |
| 22:25.35 | jmalicki_ | m6502: have you apt-get update |
| 22:25.40 | jmalicki_ | where are the debian changelogs? |
| 22:26.07 | jmalicki_ | ah |
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| 22:26.22 | earthian | I need a *powerfull* tool capable of finding and restoring my partitions on a DMRAID disk ... testdisk finds only half what is needed. the disk is around 500GB in size |
| 22:26.49 | MidgetSpy | hmm... after installing I see that "Installations will fail due to a missing archive signing key. A fix for this has been uploaded, but won't reach etch for a day or two. A workaround is to pass "debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" when booting the installer.". since I didn't pass this when I installed does this mean I have to reinstall? |
| 22:27.42 | jmalicki_ | m6502: you need at least 2.6.18.dfsg.1-9 |
| 22:27.48 | jmalicki_ | m6502: try apt-get update |
| 22:28.59 | treyh0 | i just got done reinstalling etch with encrypted LVM -- SO SWEET |
| 22:29.37 | m6502 | jmalicki: i'm checking right now... thanx for the info (sure I didn't expect getting from sarge to etch *so* dangerous) |
| 22:29.43 | karsten | earthian: Backups. |
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| 22:30.02 | earthian | karsten, no |
| 22:30.06 | stoned | x_link: ok, I've compiled and built a package for Secret Maryo Chronicles game from SVN source. It has sound/music and everything. The deb package includes all and is 28 MB. Let me know if you're still interested in the game |
| 22:30.14 | karsten | earthian: I wasn't asking you. I was telling you. |
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| 22:30.42 | stoned | I think I need to fix the control file and some of the depends |
| 22:30.48 | danf_1979 | anyone with a test file so I could test my server speed? /msg danf_1979 please |
| 22:30.57 | stoned | but yeh, its good, current svn version is in good shape |
| 22:31.03 | earthian | karsten, its 500 gigs... and the most important data was changed just before that bad reboot after which /home did not load anymore |
| 22:31.09 | earthian | load=mount |
| 22:31.28 | stew | hmm, i have a fresh debootstrap install on a remote server. it will boot to debian just fine, but no networking comes up. after getting someone to reboot it back into the os that i'm replacing, i can check the logs from the debian boot and see that it booted fine, it just seems that no networking came up |
| 22:31.47 | DAddYE | ive added backports on sourcelist |
| 22:31.54 | stew | i can tell from dmesg that it loaded the e1000 driver for the card which was recognized, and /etc/network/interfaces looks like its set |
| 22:31.57 | DAddYE | now how I can install mysql5??? |
| 22:32.01 | stew | anyone know what else I might check? |
| 22:32.18 | stew | DAddYE: apt-get install -t sarge-backports install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 22:32.21 | karsten | earthian: Sucks to be you. |
| 22:32.43 | earthian | karsten, agreed :( |
| 22:32.45 | DAddYE | stew thanksssssssssssss |
| 22:33.14 | karsten | earthian: Which is also a roundabout way of saying I've NFC on any RAID recovery tools. I suspect your options are limited and expensive. |
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| 22:33.37 | signuts | How do I list all packages that are installed? |
| 22:33.48 | tarzeau | signuts: dpkg -l |
| 22:33.49 | earthian | karsten, any name of an option would be helpful! |
| 22:33.49 | enouf | stew: you've been hanging in #debian-boot no? |
| 22:33.52 | karsten | signuts: dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:34.03 | signuts | my end goal is to purge lots of packages that I don't want to use. |
| 22:34.05 | stew | enouf: no |
| 22:34.10 | karsten | earthian: 1-800-pray-now |
| 22:34.29 | enouf | stew: allow me to paste a somewhat incomplete log .. I guess |
| 22:34.37 | enouf | er pastebin |
| 22:34.37 | karsten | earthian: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+raid+recovery |
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| 22:36.08 | earthian | karsten, hm... my raid is not bad or so... there is only one logical partition in it that got corrupted and later after unsuccessful ties to fix it has dissapeared.. |
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| 22:36.21 | earthian | karsten, another two partitions there are ok. |
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| 22:37.02 | enouf | stew: ahh phooey .. with all the netsplits and all the recent discussion to get things in order .. it appears the relevant exchange between joeyh and fjp have scrolled off my 500 line backscroll :-( |
| 22:37.17 | signuts | so is there a way to uninstall gnome and all it's "friends" |
| 22:37.21 | MidgetSpy | hmm... after installing the daily etch I see that "Installations will fail due to a missing archive signing key. A fix for this has been uploaded, but won't reach etch for a day or two. A workaround is to pass "debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" when booting the installer.". since I didn't pass this when I installed does this mean I have to reinstall? |
| 22:37.23 | karsten | earthian: Fresh media and an image of the damaged disk are the usual starting points. Eg: buy, beg, borrow, or steal storage sufficient to copy what's broken to somewhere that's not. Twice if you can. And work on the copy, not the original. |
| 22:37.27 | tarzeau | !remove gnome |
| 22:37.28 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 22:37.28 | Guerin | !tell signuts about remove gnome |
| 22:37.32 | karsten | earthian: No time really to help you here, good luck. |
| 22:37.42 | enouf | stew: apologies .. i must leave now ... for atleast a while .. |
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| 22:38.30 | earthian | karsten, thanks for the tip. I am activelly looking into that ... |
| 22:38.48 | wols | what |
| 22:38.50 | stew | enouf: about what? |
| 22:39.11 | stew | oh, my /etc/network/interfaces has an error |
| 22:39.27 | wols | what's wrong when under X alt+number won*t work but in consoloe it does (ssh session to a screen/irssi on another box)? |
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| 22:39.56 | wols | I told drxx to leave my keyboard settings alone. should have told it to meddle? |
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| 22:40.43 | Guerin | wols: what terminal emulator? |
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| 22:40.48 | DAddYE | stew: for backports is possible install apache 2.2 ? |
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| 22:41.12 | wols | menu, "bash" :) |
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| 22:41.31 | zpertee | how do I upgrade from php4 to php5? |
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| 22:41.41 | Guerin | wols: then your problem is that you're using a shit DE |
| 22:41.49 | stew | DAddYE: i don't know. i don't think so |
| 22:41.52 | Guerin | zpertee: it's not an upgrade |
| 22:41.57 | stew | zpertee: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 22:42.13 | DAddYE | stew: how I can find if exist? |
| 22:42.21 | wols | xterm |
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| 22:42.28 | stew | DAddYE: http://backports.org/debian/pool |
| 22:42.29 | zpertee | stew: 31r3 |
| 22:42.30 | wols | fluxbox is not shit |
| 22:42.43 | stew | zpertee: if you really need php5, you'd need to use backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:42.49 | DAddYE | thanks |
| 22:43.02 | enouf | stew: discussion was about how "debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true" temp works around the issue of why networking and mirrors fails (apt-key, and (??) certain udebs passing control off to one another during install (??)) .. I'm not clear on it and forget many aspects whikle sitting in \on a semi-debugging discussion .. sorry |
| 22:43.02 | Guerin | wols: xterb grabs meta/alt by default, there's a fix on irssi.org |
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| 22:43.31 | stew | enouf: oh, no, i didn't use d-i, i used debootstrap, then bungled my /etc/network/interfaces (typo) |
| 22:43.36 | stew | enouf: but thanks |
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| 22:43.43 | zpertee | stew: ok thanks for the help |
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| 22:43.49 | wols | stupid thing, any better term to use with lowe ressource usage? |
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| 22:44.07 | enouf | stew: ok .. but IIRC, that was mentioned also .. BUT I could be wrong .. |
| 22:44.20 | stew | oh, crap, and i forgot to install sshd |
| 22:44.35 | ida01 | guys, does anyon knows where are the SCREENshot png files captured during installation of ETch are placed (which folder) |
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| 22:45.08 | signuts | !tell me about var apt cache |
| 22:45.28 | Guerin | ida01: probably /root |
| 22:45.40 | signuts | !tell signuts about apt cache |
| 22:45.44 | enouf | !tell signuts about apt howto |
| 22:46.17 | signuts | should be a good read, but /var/cache/apt is 1.6G and I wan to know why :) |
| 22:46.35 | ida01 | Gurin: thanks - somewhere there - I will install again and see where they go |
| 22:46.43 | Guerin | signuts: because that's where the packages you download are stored |
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| 22:50.26 | m6502 | got 2.6.18-4 ... wow... the changelog looks scary |
| 22:50.50 | m6502 | if those are the bugs that were found i wonder how nasty are the one still dancing in the dark... |
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| 22:51.31 | m6502 | rebooting... (if i'm lucky enough... :-) ) |
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| 22:53.28 | Milesy2 | Hi folks. I just tried to go through the debian graphical installer. It failed on doing my wireless setup. I entered the SSID and then WEP key both in xx:xx:xx:xx... format and s:passphrase format - any ideas what might be going wrong |
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| 22:54.26 | stew | crap |
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| 22:54.56 | FelipeSouza | What's the difference of the initrd loaded by grub and the ramdisk loaded by the kernel when set the "ramdisk" option with rdev -r? |
| 22:54.56 | stew | either tasksel failed me or I failed tasksel. but not i have a server booted with no sshd :( |
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| 22:56.48 | DAddYE | stew: the easy way for install apache2.2 ? |
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| 22:58.00 | stew | DAddYE: upgrade to etch |
| 22:58.12 | DAddYE | stew: how? Im on a vps |
| 22:58.22 | stew | DAddYE: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 22:58.31 | stew | DAddYE: etch is currently testing. its not yet released |
| 22:58.43 | DAddYE | I know |
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| 22:58.48 | dark_light | i have a question about the command passwd: is there any way to make it work non-interactively? i am trying to do with echo -e "mypassword\nmypassword" | passwd username, to simulate a keyboard enter, but it says "sorry, passwords do not match". i need it for a automated script |
| 22:58.57 | stew | DAddYE: its frozen, and is stable. but might have security concenrns until it is released |
| 22:59.22 | treyh0 | is debian or gnome ever going to use a different 'default' panel layout? |
| 22:59.24 | treyh0 | :-/ |
| 22:59.26 | DAddYE | stew: I know |
| 22:59.36 | stew | treyh0: yes |
| 22:59.50 | treyh0 | hook me up with some details |
| 23:00.14 | stew | treyh0: i don't have any. i'm just sure they whatever it is you are talkinga bout, it iwll eventually change |
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| 23:00.46 | dark_light | hahahahaha. things change for sure |
| 23:00.54 | stew | dark_light: you could update /etc/shadow directly, but you'd have to be VERY CAREFUL |
| 23:01.10 | dark_light | stew, how can i generate the encrypted password? |
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| 23:01.39 | stew | dark_light: mkpasswd -H md5 sekrit |
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| 23:01.51 | Archville | Any package to get the gpg keys from the sources.list apt servers automatically ? |
| 23:02.03 | guiden | I'm using kubuntu right know, is it the same if I use debian? |
| 23:02.03 | stew | Archville: debian-archive-keyring |
| 23:02.20 | Archville | Is installed. |
| 23:02.33 | Archville | But it doesn't get the debian-multimedia.org keys and other ones. |
| 23:02.39 | dark_light | Hmmmmmm..., well, echo $passwd_like >> /etc/passwd isn't going to be a very bad thing, unless, hmm, someone enter a \n in the name.. |
| 23:02.45 | twobitsprite | so, I'm still trying to figure out how to find out what disk encryption ciphers my kernel supports |
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| 23:02.47 | stew | Archville: no, it wouldnt'. /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 23:02.48 | twobitsprite | I'm running etch |
| 23:02.53 | abrotman | !apt-key <putthelasteightcharshere> |
| 23:02.53 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <putthelasteightcharshere> ; gpg --export <putthelasteightcharshere> | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 23:02.53 | DAddYE | stew: Syntax error on line 18 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/ticket.conf: |
| 23:02.54 | DAddYE | Invalid command '<Proxy', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 23:03.05 | Archville | stew, ok |
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| 23:03.13 | DAddYE | stew: the module is included |
| 23:03.15 | dark_light | thanks, stew! i will do some tests with this. (but i still prefer using the default tools..) |
| 23:03.34 | stew | dark_light: the default tools are made to not allow you to use them non-interactively |
| 23:04.10 | stew | DAddYE: what version of apache2 is installed? |
| 23:04.13 | dark_light | stew, so there must be some other defaults tools to be used non-interactively.. :~ |
| 23:04.30 | DAddYE | apache 2.2 from source |
| 23:04.34 | stew | dark_light: ok |
| 23:05.03 | DAddYE | stew: find ./configure here http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/docs/apache.html I use this |
| 23:05.21 | stew | dark_light: perhaps you need to "a2enmod proxy" |
| 23:05.24 | stew | DAddYE: ^^^ |
| 23:05.29 | dark_light | actually, i am thinking *how* gnome admin tools change password of users. hmm, i don't think they edit the file by hand |
| 23:06.24 | stew | dark_light: which tools? look at their source |
| 23:06.24 | DAddYE | stew: ? |
| 23:06.25 | dark_light | stew, a2enmod..? (seems to be related to apache) |
| 23:06.25 | stew | dark_light: ignore that, it was for DAddYE |
| 23:06.32 | dark_light | eheheh |
| 23:06.45 | dark_light | stew, i don't know, i was just wondering..:) |
| 23:06.56 | stew | or to be able to spell straight |
| 23:07.03 | DAddYE | stew: so? |
| 23:07.16 | stew | DAddYE: perhaps you need to "a2enmod proxy" to enable the proxy module |
| 23:07.39 | DAddYE | ?? |
| 23:07.48 | stew | ¿? |
| 23:07.54 | DAddYE | #./configure --enable-deflate --enable-proxy --enable-proxy-html \ |
| 23:08.04 | DAddYE | --enable-proxy-balancer --enable-rewrite --enable-cache \ |
| 23:08.12 | Guerin | DAddYE: wtf |
| 23:08.12 | DAddYE | --enable-mem-cache --enable-ssl --enable-headers |
| 23:08.16 | Guerin | DAddYE: stop |
| 23:08.19 | DAddYE | is my configuration |
| 23:08.21 | Guerin | feckin' eejit |
| 23:08.26 | stew | DAddYE: ok, so it looks like you compiled in proxy support. have you enabled it since you installed the apache with proxy support? |
| 23:08.28 | DAddYE | Guerin: hello bot |
| 23:08.40 | Guerin | DAddYE: if only you were a bot too |
| 23:08.56 | stoned | where can I find the guidelines on how to have a package get accepted into debian |
| 23:09.04 | DAddYE | stew: how I do that? |
| 23:09.07 | stoned | I built a game not for debian yet |
| 23:09.17 | Guerin | stoned: ask in #debian-mentors irc.debian.org |
| 23:09.29 | guiden | http://amd64.debian.net/ Do I want pure64 or just amd64? |
| 23:09.32 | chafe | how do i start another VT ? |
| 23:09.37 | stew | DAddYE: how do you run "a2enmod proxy"? |
| 23:09.42 | chafe | like, to log into X again from a different user |
| 23:09.45 | stew | DAddYE: type this: "a2enmod proxy" |
| 23:09.53 | Guerin | chafe: alt+f[2345] |
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| 23:10.11 | Guerin | chafe: or ctrl+alt+ |
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| 23:10.18 | DAddYE | stew: Module proxy installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable. |
| 23:10.19 | stew | stoned: the debain policy manual |
| 23:10.20 | Chamuco | how can i map extended keys on a keyboard? |
| 23:10.35 | Guerin | chafe: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 23:10.38 | stoned | stew: ok |
| 23:10.39 | Guerin | Chamuco: |
| 23:10.45 | stew | DAddYE: so run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
| 23:10.59 | stew | stoned: if you get a package together, let me know, and i'll look it over |
| 23:11.00 | DAddYE | stew: just do same error |
| 23:11.27 | stoned | stew: thanks. the package is together, I just need to go through a checklist now I gues, make sure it is acceptable by debian |
| 23:11.52 | stew | stoned: give me a url to the .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz |
| 23:11.58 | DAddYE | stew: sorry is different Invalid command 'BalancerMember', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 23:12.12 | stew | DAddYE: a2enmod proxy_balancer |
| 23:12.17 | stoned | stew hold on a while |
| 23:12.53 | DAddYE | stew: vps:/etc/apache2# a2enmod proxy_balancer |
| 23:12.53 | DAddYE | This module does not exist! |
| 23:12.55 | stoned | stew: I build the package from svn and the developers say that they will release the new version tomorrow |
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| 23:13.10 | DAddYE | but in configure I set --enable-proxy-balance |
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| 23:13.46 | DAddYE | but in configure I set --enable-proxy-balanceR |
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| 23:13.53 | guiden | why isn't amd64 have a official iso? |
| 23:13.59 | guiden | by debian |
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| 23:14.24 | stew | DAddYE: dunno. if you were using debian pacakges, you would have this module. since you are not, you should probably be asking in #apache |
| 23:14.30 | guiden | hasn't |
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| 23:14.46 | Juniorbink | hey guys |
| 23:14.46 | DAddYE | ......... okeeeey |
| 23:15.05 | stew | stoned: thats fine, if they are going to release version "2.1" tomorrow, name your "2.1~20070227-1 indicating a svn checkout prior to 2.1 |
| 23:15.12 | Juniorbink | i was wonderi if i could get some help on my debian install |
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| 23:15.40 | stew | Juniorbink: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 23:15.51 | Juniorbink | im tryin to do the net install and it boots the installer |
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| 23:16.14 | Juniorbink | i have tried just the default enter |
| 23:16.26 | Juniorbink | and linux apic=off |
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| 23:16.51 | Juniorbink | but when it goes to the screen where i choose what kind of keyboard im using it locks up |
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| 23:17.15 | Juniorbink | im tryin to install etch on a hp pavillion 4500ze laptop |
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| 23:17.43 | Juniorbink | any ideas? |
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| 23:19.17 | markybob | Juniorbink, might wanna try #debian-boot |
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| 23:19.28 | Juniorbink | ok |
| 23:19.41 | stew | which is on irc.debian.org |
| 23:19.43 | Guerin | on irc.debian.org |
| 23:19.47 | Guerin | mm |
| 23:19.52 | stew | what Guerin said |
| 23:20.17 | Juniorbink | thanks guys |
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| 23:25.55 | rahul | mr torture sells pain to the housewives in spain |
| 23:26.03 | rahul | he knows just what they crave, mr torture |
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| 23:29.33 | Chamuco | Guerin, |
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| 23:30.10 | DAddYE | stew: configure: error: Cannot use an external APR-util with the bundled APR ? |
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| 23:31.53 | stoned | stew: geezus christ man the orig.tar.gz is like 88mb |
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| 23:32.13 | stoned | hah well I guess now i have to make a seperate package for the media then |
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| 23:34.43 | MattCampbell | Is the mysql-server-4.1 package included with Sarge suitable for production use? If so, why wasn't 4.1 the default in Sarge? |
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| 23:35.16 | stew | stoned: if there is more than a couple of megs of non-arch specific data, its wise to split out a Architecture: all -data package to save room on the mirrors |
| 23:35.40 | stoned | stew: yeah i just thought about it |
| 23:35.47 | stew | (which isnt' going to make the .orig.tar.gz any smaller, of course) |
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| 23:36.32 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows which is the better choice: aspell or ispell? |
| 23:36.37 | stew | DAddYE: its been 10 years since i tried compiling apache myself. i never find a reason to |
| 23:36.48 | mhammerton | hey i was wondering if someone can help me i am trying to install etch rc1 64bit on some xeon 5050 boxes, but during the install after i select a network mirror to install from it just hangs there on 5% forever, anyone has any idea what it is or how i can get around it? |
| 23:36.49 | DAddYE | ;) |
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| 23:38.17 | Ber | I have problems loading a module at startup |
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| 23:38.46 | Nwallins|home | wols, enouf: hey, I disabled framebuffer and now ati driver works decently, but is still fuzzy. vesa driver is still very slow - maybe that was the culprit. anyhow, now I am trying to fix the the fuzziness |
| 23:39.17 | wols | check the refres rate |
| 23:39.23 | Nwallins|home | I tried bumping up refresh: HorizSync 30-79 # 80 goes out of range VertRefresh 50-160 # monitor doesn't seem to care |
| 23:39.24 | wols | the NEC should be able to display it |
| 23:39.27 | wols | or it's in the X logs |
| 23:39.32 | Nwallins|home | it's a viewsonic, not nec, my bad |
| 23:39.39 | stew | mhammerton: etch RC1 is known to be broken. use a daily image |
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| 23:39.50 | FuzzyB | move your low numbers up a few notches |
| 23:39.59 | Nwallins|home | ok, I only bumped up the highs |
| 23:40.00 | Nwallins|home | thanks |
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| 23:40.02 | earthian | is it possible to boot a bootable cd image (iso) with grub? |
| 23:40.06 | FuzzyB | move vert to something like 65-160 |
| 23:40.11 | FuzzyB | and horiz to 50-79 |
| 23:40.14 | earthian | like adding it to menu.lst and copying to /boot ? |
| 23:40.20 | FuzzyB | or just fiddle with one |
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| 23:40.22 | FuzzyB | then the other |
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| 23:40.25 | Ber | anyone there who could tell me where to load the modules from? |
| 23:40.33 | FuzzyB | kernel modules? |
| 23:40.40 | Nwallins|home | FuzzyB: i'll give it a whirl, thanks -- gotta unplug vga now |
| 23:40.49 | FuzzyB | np |
| 23:40.49 | stew | Nwallins|home: omit the Sync/Refresh rates and see if they are autodetected |
| 23:40.55 | FuzzyB | that might work too |
| 23:41.02 | FuzzyB | but usually i see that it goes for the LCD |
| 23:41.03 | Nwallins|home | stew: i initially ran autodetected |
| 23:41.07 | FuzzyB | lowest common demonator |
| 23:41.10 | Nwallins|home | and the output was fuzzy |
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| 23:41.17 | Nwallins|home | vesa driver was sharp -- but too slow |
| 23:41.25 | Nwallins|home | using ati driver now -- fuzzy |
| 23:41.34 | FuzzyB | what does xdpyinfo tell you? |
| 23:41.47 | FuzzyB | compare vesa output to the ati output |
| 23:41.56 | Nwallins|home | don't have it... checking apt-cache |
| 23:41.56 | FuzzyB | and massage the ati until it looks like the vesa settings |
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| 23:42.16 | FuzzyB | Nwallins|home: http://www.xfree86.org/current/xdpyinfo.1.html |
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| 23:42.42 | Nwallins|home | FuzzyB: hmm.. running xorg |
| 23:42.42 | earthian | is it possible to boot a bootable cd image (iso) with grub? |
| 23:42.49 | Nwallins|home | FuzzyB: which .deb has it? |
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| 23:42.59 | Nwallins|home | s/.deb/package/ |
| 23:43.00 | FuzzyB | i'm not sure |
| 23:43.04 | FuzzyB | your going to have to find it |
| 23:43.08 | Nwallins|home | ok, will do |
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| 23:43.36 | FuzzyB | i have xdpyinfo installed |
| 23:43.38 | mango | hi every one, I am just wondering how or whatis the solution for a small office network that is running with mostly windows os to prevent it from virus infections using a debian or linux solution. thank you |
| 23:43.39 | FuzzyB | so i'm guessing you do too |
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| 23:44.01 | Nwallins|home | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=xpdyinfo&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 23:44.17 | FuzzyB | mango: make 99% of your server hosted directories read only, then have an upload folder that has read-write and move the files into the read-only section |
| 23:44.30 | FuzzyB | that way if a worm walks your smb shares it can't attack the read-only goodies |
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| 23:45.16 | FuzzyB | mango: you could also send all emails through a linux server and have it do all your spam / email virus filtering |
| 23:45.29 | Guerin | mango: strip all attachments which aren't plain text from email |
| 23:45.57 | Guerin | mango: put them in a dmz with an http server and append a url to each mail |
| 23:46.23 | Guerin | virus scanning is expensive and mostly a waste of time |
| 23:46.31 | wols | true |
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| 23:46.53 | stew | how do you keep your users from being infected by eicar? |
| 23:46.54 | FuzzyB | maybe so, but it's another layer that does some good |
| 23:47.02 | Guerin | but once you strip attachments they're yours to do with what you will |
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| 23:47.22 | DAddYE | sorry simple question, but in debian wich --prefix path I need to insert in ./configure ? |
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| 23:47.40 | FuzzyB | why are you building from source? |
| 23:47.40 | Guerin | FuzzyB: yeah, it should be a last-ditch. Virus checking is better done locally, where users have cpu time and ram to burn |
| 23:47.52 | Guerin | because he's fucking stupid |
| 23:48.01 | stew | Guerin: easy |
| 23:48.06 | DAddYE | stew: ? |
| 23:48.08 | Guerin | DAddYE: i told you how to do a simple sid backport; go and do it |
| 23:48.16 | mango | Fuzzy: sorry I am a bit slow. You said: "make 99% of your server hosted directories read only," I did not get it. |
| 23:48.26 | FuzzyB | mango: if you have hosted shares |
| 23:48.28 | DAddYE | Guerin: I just do but backport don't have apache 2.2.4 |
| 23:48.31 | FuzzyB | by a file server |
| 23:48.42 | FuzzyB | and you leave everything read-write |
| 23:48.43 | stew | DAddYE: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:48.48 | stew | dunno how simple it will be though |
| 23:48.57 | wols | DAddYE: take the closest it has and steal zhe debian/ dir from it |
| 23:48.58 | stew | its going to require backporting a dozen packages |
| 23:49.02 | wols | then you can use it |
| 23:49.07 | stew | wols: no he can't |
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| 23:49.14 | wols | stew: why? |
| 23:49.14 | DAddYE | ????? |
| 23:49.20 | FuzzyB | then a worm walks and edits all your files to be virus scripts |
| 23:49.21 | mango | FuzzyB: you mean smb |
| 23:49.27 | stew | wols: becuase of the other dozen packages he is going to ahve to backport |
| 23:49.28 | FuzzyB | sure |
| 23:49.28 | mango | server |
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| 23:49.56 | Guerin | stew: it will? |
| 23:50.07 | stew | last time i tried it did |
| 23:50.10 | Guerin | mm |
| 23:50.19 | Guerin | DAddYE: give up, you're too stupid for this. Hire an admin. |
| 23:50.41 | stew | Guerin: please don't call people stupid |
| 23:50.46 | Guerin | honestly, you've been on this at least four hours and haven't gotten past ./configure |
| 23:50.51 | Guerin | stew: be real. |
| 23:51.08 | stew | Guerin: i'm for real |
| 23:51.15 | mango | Fuzzy: "then have an upload folder that has read-write and move the files into the read-only section" . this process of moving files is it going to be automatic using a shell script and crontab, or there something that I do not know\ |
| 23:51.20 | DAddYE | Guerin: explainnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn meeeeeeeeee |
| 23:51.30 | FuzzyB | mango: it's all in how you set it up |
| 23:51.36 | stew | DAddYE: now that is just being annoying which isn't going to get you very far |
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| 23:51.45 | Guerin | stupid is one argument - you could argue inexperience, but persisting with something you're clearly incapable of and have no clue about seems stupid to me |
| 23:52.15 | Guerin | DAddYE: hire a system administrator to build and install the software you need. This operation is going to require much more skill than you evidently have. |
| 23:52.36 | mindframe | how do i take a screenshot of my desktop? |
| 23:52.36 | FuzzyB | mango: we built a large fileserver once, where we would put a file into the "upload" folder, then when we wanted it moved into the archive, we would make something like "filename.archive" and a cron script would see that and move the file to the path specified in the "filename.archive" file |
| 23:52.38 | mango | FizzyB: What is the best way, or your recommendation |
| 23:52.42 | stew | mindframe: /msg dpkg ss |
| 23:52.43 | Guerin | mango: /msg dpkg ss |
| 23:52.50 | Guerin | bah, humbug |
| 23:53.01 | vulture | Guerin: "Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND never quit are idiots." - http://despair.com/stup24x30pri.html |
| 23:53.12 | waspius | hello..can someone tell me how i can mount my external hard drive and any usb stick or mp3 player i insert in any usb port? |
| 23:53.13 | Guerin | heh, awesome |
| 23:53.25 | zl2tod | Guerin, grow some manners, treating users like that in indefensible |
| 23:53.26 | Guerin | waspius: /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 23:53.37 | Guerin | zl2tod: bollocks. |
| 23:53.46 | DAddYE | stew: but Guerin is a bot? |
| 23:53.47 | DAddYE | Guerin: is possible, but in my life I just do what I want, so I want to install apache 2.2.4 on this sarge! And I'll do it with or without u! |
| 23:54.11 | stew | DAddYE: he is not a bot |
| 23:54.17 | FuzzyB | i'm going to be old and grey and apache 2.2.4 is going to be outdated before you ever get it installed |
| 23:54.20 | DAddYE | stew: hehe |
| 23:54.52 | Guerin | DAddYE: cool. You've been told how, several times. Go to it. |
| 23:55.09 | waspius | Guerin: and how do i do that? |
| 23:55.10 | stew | he'd have to backport debhelper 5 in order to build it |
| 23:55.16 | stew | or completely repackage libapr1 |
| 23:55.17 | Guerin | waspius: type it in your irc client |
| 23:55.34 | twobitsprite | hmm... was freenet removed from debian? |
| 23:55.47 | Guerin | twobitsprite: istr nobody wanting to maintain it |
| 23:56.00 | waspius | Guerin: i did..but i dont understand how to do what it tells me |
| 23:56.15 | stew | !info freenet6 sarge |
| 23:56.17 | dpkg | freenet6: (IPv6 tunnel to freenet6 (transitional package)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-4.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 23:56.22 | mango | Fuzzyb: "you could also send all emails through a linux server and have it do all your spam / email virus filtering". Do I need to use something like sendmail? |
| 23:56.23 | stew | hmm |
| 23:56.34 | earthian | DAddYE, you should use backports |
| 23:56.36 | stew | twobitsprite: it looks like its gone |
| 23:56.40 | wols | mango: gawd no! |
| 23:56.44 | Guerin | waspius: try this: plug in your usb device, and then run `dmesg' |
| 23:56.44 | stew | earthian: there aren't any backports |
| 23:56.45 | wols | you use postfix or exim |
| 23:56.48 | earthian | :o |
| 23:57.02 | Guerin | mango: it should tell you something has been plugged in and assigned a device number etc |
| 23:57.08 | waspius | Guerin: ok i did |
| 23:57.46 | earthian | stew, DAddYE why apache 2.2.4 then? why not apache 2.x.x that is in backports? |
| 23:58.20 | DAddYE | Guerin: yep, I will install httpd 2.2.4 then I will go here and I said u that Im not stupid but stupid are person how say only backport, dpkg and much words that they mean anything! |
| 23:58.22 | FuzzyB | mango: google about linux email and anti virii |
| 23:58.25 | stew | earthian: do you have a link? |
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| 23:58.30 | Guerin | DAddYE: wtf |
| 23:58.51 | stew | DAddYE: please just use /ignore and move on |
| 23:59.23 | FuzzyB | you'd think he'd just be smart enough to install etch and use 2.2.3 |
| 23:59.35 | DAddYE | earthian: what u mean? |
| 23:59.36 | mango | Guerin: sorry, did not get it. |
| 23:59.59 | mango | Guerin: what linux prog I need to use? |