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| 00:00.27 | kados | I'm just investigating apt pinning, and I'm confused about how to specify the name of a release |
| 00:00.36 | kados | I tried giving my own labels like: |
| 00:00.38 | undesktop | UNIX is a text based adventure game |
| 00:00.42 | kados | Pin: release a=testname |
| 00:00.51 | kados | but apt-get install packace/testname doesn't work |
| 00:00.58 | undesktop | well, it also got graphics, but crappy graphics |
| 00:01.04 | jelly-home | undesktop: how do you win? |
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| 00:01.07 | kados | anyone point me in the direction of a decent man page for apt pinning? |
| 00:01.16 | undesktop | jelly-home: cheating |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | !tell kados about pinning |
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| 00:01.55 | undesktop | jelly-home: without, you can't win |
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| 00:02.51 | GhostlyDeath | How do I configure GRUB? |
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| 00:03.02 | kados | undesktop: thanks, but neither of those guides seem to cover all the options for Pin: release |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: to do what ? |
| 00:03.24 | undesktop | hm |
| 00:03.30 | kados | like wha'ts a= vs o= ? |
| 00:03.30 | Kage[Laptop] | How well does Debian work on laptops? |
| 00:03.30 | GhostlyDeath | change the GRUB optins? |
| 00:03.36 | GhostlyDeath | default OS to boot |
| 00:03.38 | GhostlyDeath | delay |
| 00:03.42 | ma3x | is there any other program to write dvdr discs than dvd+rw-tools? |
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| 00:03.54 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:03.57 | GhostlyDeath | Kage[Laptop]: ok ish |
| 00:04.05 | GhostlyDeath | what's vi? |
| 00:04.12 | Kage[Laptop] | ... |
| 00:04.14 | jelly-home | Kage[Laptop]: the laptop-specific features are not integrated well |
| 00:04.29 | Guerin | !tell GhostlyDeath about fundamentals |
| 00:04.29 | Kage[Laptop] | jelly-home, like function buttons? |
| 00:04.31 | abrotman | !lapto |
| 00:04.36 | abrotman | Kage[Laptop]: depends on the model |
| 00:04.39 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:04.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 00:04.42 | Kage[Laptop] | Asus F3JM |
| 00:04.45 | GhostlyDeath | uck, console based text editor... |
| 00:04.47 | abrotman | Kage[Laptop]: my buttons work |
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| 00:04.56 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: do you have gnome or kde installed ? |
| 00:05.01 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: before you can make a rational choice about editors, you must learn to hate vi ;) |
| 00:05.01 | jelly-home | Kage[Laptop]: yep, also suspend in general, suspending when you close the lid, powersaving... |
| 00:05.12 | GhostlyDeath | yes I do |
| 00:05.20 | abrotman | which one ? |
| 00:05.20 | jelly-home | Kage[Laptop]: most of the pieces are there, but one has to dig around |
| 00:05.23 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using gedit instead |
| 00:05.24 | ma3x | jelly-home: any idea what else burns dvd discs but dvd+rw-tools? |
| 00:05.33 | Lord_Devi | vi is only for the men. |
| 00:05.36 | jelly-home | ma3x: nope |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: okay .. whichever |
| 00:05.47 | jelly-home | ma3x: Nero for linux costs $0 |
| 00:05.53 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: you have my condolences. I'd even choose vi over that. |
| 00:05.53 | Kage[Laptop] | # Asus F3JM [Fedora Core 5] (in French) |
| 00:05.54 | Kage[Laptop] | # Asus F3JM [Gentoo] |
| 00:05.54 | Kage[Laptop] | # Asus F3Jm [Ubuntu 6.10] |
| 00:05.57 | Kage[Laptop] | No Debian? |
| 00:05.58 | Kage[Laptop] | :( |
| 00:06.02 | Guerin | Kage[Laptop]: stop yer pastin' |
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| 00:06.11 | ma3x | jelly-home: since when is it free? |
| 00:06.12 | Kage[Laptop] | Sigh.. |
| 00:06.21 | jelly-home | ma3x: since when it came out, I think |
| 00:06.33 | Guerin | Kage[Laptop]: hardware is supported by a kernel. Find out what kernel supports that board and use it. |
| 00:06.45 | Kage[Laptop] | Ok |
| 00:06.55 | GhostlyDeath | what's (hd0,0) and (hd0,1) |
| 00:06.58 | GhostlyDeath | dif. partitions? |
| 00:07.04 | jelly-home | Guerin: *cough*user-space usb drivers*cough* |
| 00:07.11 | Guerin | jelly-home: aargh |
| 00:07.14 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, Same HD, diff partitions, yeah. |
| 00:07.25 | GhostlyDeath | that's odd |
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| 00:07.27 | Guerin | Kage[Laptop]: i take it all back - return that POS and get a real board |
| 00:07.39 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, Grubs equiv of linux's /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 |
| 00:07.48 | Kage[Laptop] | Hell no |
| 00:07.48 | GhostlyDeath | WinXP Media is hdd0,0 and Another XP is hdd0,1 |
| 00:07.53 | ma3x | jelly-home: it's usually free only for a month |
| 00:07.57 | Kage[Laptop] | I <3 this laptop |
| 00:07.59 | GhostlyDeath | I think hdd0,1 is a recovery partition |
| 00:08.01 | PDani | how can i check that which kind of memory is in my box? (ddr1, ddr2, sdram, or what) |
| 00:08.09 | Lord_Devi | Well they want to be "As platform independant as possible" those silly grub people.. |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | !tell PDani about whats my hardware |
| 00:08.14 | jelly-home | Kage[Laptop]: when choosing which laptop to buy, it's best to investigate how well the hardware works on Linux |
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| 00:08.28 | GhostlyDeath | GRUB related, How do I make something the default? |
| 00:08.28 | karsten | PDani: look at it. Or dmidecode, maybe. |
| 00:08.38 | ma3x | jelly-home: its a trial version |
| 00:08.55 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: read the file .. it's commented pretty well |
| 00:08.55 | jelly-home | ma3x: hm, I think the one we installed at work just worked |
| 00:09.02 | Kage[Laptop] | jelly-home, I did |
| 00:09.10 | jelly-home | ma3x: even after the month expired |
| 00:09.14 | comsa | dmidecode |
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| 00:09.26 | GhostlyDeath | do Titles count? |
| 00:09.29 | Kage[Laptop] | This laptop works fine with Gentoo and Ubuntu, so I figured it shouldn't be too hard to get it to work with Debian or Fedora |
| 00:09.31 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, Well if it IS grub we are talking about. You edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the "default 0" line... the 0 refers to the first boot entry found in menu.lst. 1 would be the second entry etc.. |
| 00:09.32 | ma3x | jelly-home: do you like it? |
| 00:09.46 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: Only when Certain letters Are UpperCased, you Know? |
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| 00:10.07 | GhostlyDeath | karsten: I don't understand |
| 00:10.16 | jelly-home | Kage[Laptop]: I guess you're right... if it works with other distros, it can be made to work with Debian too |
| 00:10.29 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, What do you mean do titles cound? Do they cound for what? |
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| 00:10.40 | jelly-home | ma3x: I use command line utilities, no need for Nero |
| 00:10.50 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, If changing your default is all you want, you don't need to worry about the titles at all. In fact - I believe they are purely cosmetic no matter the situation. |
| 00:11.01 | ma3x | how do I enable DMA acceleration for my cdrom? |
| 00:11.10 | ryty | ma3x: hdparm |
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| 00:11.49 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: Understanding is a Three-Edged Sword. |
| 00:11.51 | ryty | hdparm -d IIRC |
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| 00:12.11 | GhostlyDeath | I made life easier by deleting the title |
| 00:12.23 | GhostlyDeath | it just says "Other Operating Systems:" |
| 00:12.49 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 00:12.56 | GhostlyDeath | It should automcatically boot into windows now |
| 00:12.57 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, I have so many kernels, i need my titles. Ah yeah.. well.. did you remove the title from your windows entry? |
| 00:13.07 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 00:13.24 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, If your goal is to make it boot windows automatically. ALL you need to do is change the "default 0" line |
| 00:13.32 | GhostlyDeath | that's all I did |
| 00:13.38 | GhostlyDeath | aside from the delay |
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| 00:13.52 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, I thought you said you deleted some titles or something too.. |
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| 00:14.07 | GhostlyDeath | Just one named "Other Operating Systems:" |
| 00:14.08 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, I just don't know if those titles are optional. I suspect you need a title for each entry |
| 00:14.21 | GhostlyDeath | It was an unbootable entry |
| 00:14.28 | Lord_Devi | GhostlyDeath, Oh! That's not even a real entry.. it's more of a line-break for when the menu displays |
| 00:14.33 | GhostlyDeath | other than the title, all it has was root |
| 00:14.34 | Lord_Devi | I see |
| 00:14.39 | GhostlyDeath | had* |
| 00:14.46 | Lord_Devi | Well if you changed your default 0 line, you should be good to go |
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| 00:15.04 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 00:15.09 | Lord_Devi | gl |
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| 00:16.00 | ma3x | I did hdparm -d /dev/hdc but it still shows using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 00:16.02 | matholio | ha ll, |
| 00:16.11 | xand | ha ll! |
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| 00:16.39 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: it's not just -d |
| 00:16.45 | puff | I'm looking for some info on tiger and chkrootkit. |
| 00:16.53 | matholio | I just downloaded the most recent etch iso, and while installing I'm eggting a failing error about a signature file, is this unusual ? and is it fixable ? |
| 00:16.54 | puff | Chkrootkit is reporting --WARN-- [rootkit004w] Chkrootkit has detected a possible rootkit installation |
| 00:17.08 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: you need to specificy a level of DMA as well I believe. for ex: "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda" "hdparm -d3 /dev/hda3" try something like that |
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| 00:17.19 | puff | But I'm pretty sure it's a false positive caused by some work on threading libraries just efore this warning came from tiger. |
| 00:17.19 | xand | ha ll! |
| 00:17.23 | xand | yu |
| 00:17.24 | xand | er |
| 00:17.30 | stoned | 6:16 >>>> Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 14 secs |
| 00:17.33 | Guerin | xand: step away from the bong |
| 00:17.35 | stoned | damn, thats a long time |
| 00:17.39 | puff | How do I get more info from tiger? man and man -k don't show anything on tiger or chkrootkit. |
| 00:17.43 | xand | :?> |
| 00:17.44 | xand | ? |
| 00:17.47 | stoned | Guerin: whoah whoah dude, you never step off the bong yo |
| 00:17.50 | stoned | ever. |
| 00:18.04 | Guerin | stoned: sheeeeeyit |
| 00:18.27 | ma3x | Lord_Devi: what's that level for? |
| 00:18.59 | Guerin | ma3x: man hdparm |
| 00:19.04 | ma3x | damn it |
| 00:19.11 | ma3x | should I always rtfms? |
| 00:19.16 | Guerin | ma3x: yes |
| 00:19.18 | ma3x | can't you just tell me the command? |
| 00:19.18 | stoned | yes |
| 00:19.18 | Guerin | !order |
| 00:19.19 | dpkg | it has been said that order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 00:19.25 | ma3x | I'd be so glad |
| 00:19.28 | Guerin | ma3x: there you go ↑ |
| 00:19.33 | xand | Guerin: what you tlaking about? :o |
| 00:19.34 | ma3x | wasted whole fuckins 3 days |
| 00:19.38 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: Well I don't know the answer to that technically. I just know that there is DMA1 through DMA3. Each faster than the latter |
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| 00:19.53 | stoned | Lord_Devi: /me bows |
| 00:19.57 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: but not all older equipment supports dma3.. -d1 at any rate should be quite failsafe |
| 00:19.58 | ma3x | well if you don't know, I can't know any more than you do |
| 00:20.06 | ma3x | so d1 is the choice |
| 00:20.19 | stoned | an l |
| 00:20.30 | stoned | no a l I confused my vowels there for a sec |
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| 00:20.50 | Lord_Devi | hehe |
| 00:20.59 | matholio | and here is a reference to the problem "[17 Feb 2007] CD/DVD-based installations fail in the 'Install the base system' step with failure to check archive signature. Workaround: delete /usr/bin/gpgv and retry." |
| 00:21.02 | stoned | but really |
| 00:21.21 | stoned | an l works, because really, its El or elle I mean if you pronouce L its not LELL its ELL |
| 00:21.26 | stoned | so E works with an |
| 00:21.28 | matholio | does that mean delete it from the iso or from the istallation ? |
| 00:21.29 | Guerin | matholio: yeh, or use the daily. |
| 00:21.29 | stoned | it should work out |
| 00:21.33 | matholio | IsoI'd say. |
| 00:21.35 | Guerin | matholio: from the installation |
| 00:21.44 | Guerin | matholio: not from the iso, an iso is write-protected |
| 00:21.54 | matholio | oh, but how do I delte it from the installtion, during installation ? |
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| 00:22.18 | Guerin | there are shells on consoles 1-4 i think |
| 00:22.30 | matholio | ah, yep, ok. |
| 00:22.33 | xand | and ducks. |
| 00:22.42 | xand | well, not really |
| 00:22.44 | xand | maybe fish? |
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| 00:22.49 | Guerin | matholio: i never have done it, though, so ymmv |
| 00:22.54 | Guerin | fissheh! |
| 00:23.49 | ma3x | is it possible to launch an application and to limit its use of the cpu to exactly %90? |
| 00:24.27 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: Not to an exact percentile no. |
| 00:24.46 | ma3x | but so to say about %70-90 |
| 00:24.48 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: It is quite powerful stil ltho. Linux has 40 or so levels of process priority. All of which you can change with the 'nice' command |
| 00:24.50 | ma3x | how would I do that? |
| 00:25.23 | Guerin | ma3x: man renice |
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| 00:26.50 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: Sorry man, I forget the syntax for that proggie.. "nice -n 3 PROGRAM" would /LOWER/ Programs' priority by 3 levels I believe. And using a -3 would actually increase it.. /I Think/ |
| 00:27.06 | pipeline | ma3x: No, if the CPU time is available, it will get used. |
| 00:27.17 | pipeline | ma3x: You can, however, install the schedutils package and use ionice to make things a little more responsive. |
| 00:27.37 | Lord_Devi | ionice? hrmm... |
| 00:28.47 | ma3x | if I do 'renice +1 PID' will that increase the priority by one level? |
| 00:28.52 | ma3x | or decrease it? |
| 00:28.57 | matholio | Guerin, thanks, alt consoles worked. |
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| 00:29.29 | Guerin | happy days |
| 00:29.59 | raf256 | ma3x: it will increase its nicness |
| 00:29.59 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: According to man page it would decrease it |
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| 00:30.26 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: priority of 20 is run very very slow, priority of -20 is the fastest |
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| 00:34.33 | yoshi | ok so i burned the first CD installed and booted up the installation but it seems to want more now :( it was trying to connect to the net unfortunatly i dont have a permanent connection. how many CD's do i actually need? |
| 00:34.43 | yoshi | if that was answered tell me |
| 00:34.45 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 00:34.47 | yoshi | i was away for 4 hours |
| 00:34.57 | yoshi | then why is it trying to connect to the internet? |
| 00:35.00 | simonrvn | the first |
| 00:35.01 | yoshi | or some http? |
| 00:35.07 | yoshi | i have the first one |
| 00:35.17 | Guerin | yoshi: you only *need* one. Depending on what software you *want* you may want more, but without knowing what software you want, we can't say. |
| 00:35.32 | Guerin | yoshi: i recommend you install stuff when connected to the internet. |
| 00:35.39 | simonrvn | why it is is because it's trying to fetch things off the 'net |
| 00:35.43 | yoshi | i wouldnt mind as much as possible but the rest can wait |
| 00:36.06 | yoshi | how come it wont just boot up asnd let me download it from online ftp or bit torrent style? |
| 00:36.17 | yoshi | and install from therer |
| 00:36.29 | Guerin | ? |
| 00:36.35 | simonrvn | er |
| 00:36.42 | yoshi | right now though all i want is to boot up the OS and get it online |
| 00:36.57 | Guerin | yoshi: what's preventing you? |
| 00:37.09 | yoshi | it is wanting to connect to some http site |
| 00:37.14 | simonrvn | yeh... |
| 00:37.20 | yoshi | theres more it wants to install and setup |
| 00:37.24 | Guerin | yoshi: so ... let it? |
| 00:37.28 | simonrvn | very likely because you told it to |
| 00:37.36 | yoshi | ummm i tried i only downloaded the first disc |
| 00:37.43 | Guerin | yoshi: what package is it trying to install? |
| 00:37.45 | yoshi | i didnt tell it to do anything |
| 00:37.45 | Guerin | FFS |
| 00:37.49 | Guerin | you're stupid |
| 00:37.49 | ma3x | Lord_Devi: priority of -20 will unable you to run anything else |
| 00:37.49 | simonrvn | read the installation manual, please |
| 00:37.56 | ma3x | it will block all stuff |
| 00:38.07 | Guerin | ma3x: not quite |
| 00:38.16 | simonrvn | won't block, but that process will demnad most of the cpu time |
| 00:38.22 | Guerin | ma3x: just if that process needs time, it'll get it. It doesn't play nice with the others. |
| 00:38.23 | yoshi | on the first booting after i installed it it decided to try and load more stuff i fed it the CD it didnt think that was what it wanted and tried to connect to the net after i told it there werent any more cd's |
| 00:38.27 | Lord_Devi | ma3x: Well realtime priority is almost never recommended unless you know /exactly/ what you are doing. |
| 00:38.50 | yoshi | wasnt* |
| 00:38.50 | Guerin | if that process needs 100% CPU 100% of the time, nothing else (except kernelspace) will get any |
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| 00:38.53 | ma3x | Guerin: if you for eg. set mencoder to -20 , it will block most of your net traffic |
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| 00:39.25 | Lord_Devi | Yeah, long story short ma3x. Don't use -20 =) |
| 00:39.29 | Guerin | ma3x: not quite, but you're on the right track. |
| 00:39.42 | Guerin | don't drop below zero for anything if you can help it |
| 00:39.44 | Lord_Devi | Use like.. -18 or something.. give other priorities at least a little bit of your cpu |
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| 00:39.55 | ma3x | Guerin: there is really no point of doing -20 |
| 00:39.57 | Guerin | just deprioritise less-critical but hungry processes |
| 00:40.25 | Guerin | even one nice point can make a lot of difference, too |
| 00:40.35 | ma3x | Guerin: give me an example |
| 00:40.46 | Guerin | try playing mp3 at nice 0 on a slow box where something else wants cpu at nice -1 |
| 00:40.53 | Guerin | you'll get choppy sound |
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| 00:41.03 | Guerin | for instance |
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| 00:41.24 | bleanna_unux | How do I find the IRQ & IO of a device? |
| 00:41.34 | Lord_Devi | http://www.funfreepages.com/flash/electronik_supersonik.php <--- Best music video EVER. |
| 00:41.43 | puff | Well, that's annoying. Turns out "sudo chkrootkit" does nothing, you have to be su'd to root and then it works. |
| 00:41.48 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: isapnp? Use pnpdump |
| 00:42.03 | Guerin | puff: seems sane to me. |
| 00:42.26 | bleanna_unux | Guerin: im installing debian (minimal) and its asking from the NIC IRQ & IO. |
| 00:42.27 | ma3x | Guerin: if you for example change mencoder's priority from 0 to -20, it won't help |
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| 00:42.37 | abrotman | bleanna_unux: leave it blank |
| 00:42.40 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: huh, it shouldn't need to know that sort of thing |
| 00:42.46 | ma3x | because mencoder even at -20 or 0 or +20 uses maximum of the CPU |
| 00:42.53 | Guerin | ma3x: depends what you mean by `help' |
| 00:42.54 | ma3x | in case other processes are idle |
| 00:43.04 | ma3x | Guerin: I mean it won't run faster |
| 00:43.06 | Guerin | ma3x: it won't go faster, unless it's slow because something else it hoggin cpu time. |
| 00:43.25 | bleanna_unux | Guerin , abrotman: well, its not detecting my nic. but i know the driver is r8169 |
| 00:43.26 | ma3x | that's right |
| 00:43.48 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: what kernel, what installer? |
| 00:43.58 | ma3x | but renice is good to put mencoder at +20 so then I can use skype with a good sound |
| 00:44.04 | ma3x | otherwise I get choppy sound |
| 00:44.06 | Guerin | ma3x: you've got it. |
| 00:44.12 | ma3x | hehe |
| 00:44.20 | Guerin | see, RTFM is fun! |
| 00:44.30 | bleanna_unux | Guerin: the minimal installer, 3.1rc4 |
| 00:44.34 | ma3x | yeah, not all the time |
| 00:44.52 | Guerin | hm, are those supported by sarge? |
| 00:45.08 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:45.18 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: whicvhever it is, try the other. |
| 00:48.15 | bleanna_unux | Guerin: problem, no idea what kernel it is. its built on 20050317sarge1 |
| 00:48.17 | puff | Guerin: Maybe it'd be less annoying if docs on chkrootkit were easier to find. |
| 00:48.41 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: if you just ran the default installer, you're in 2.4 - reboot and try install26 |
| 00:48.57 | Guerin | puff: mm, yeah. I've never R that particular FM |
| 00:48.58 | puff | Guerin: But it still seems contradictory; the whole idea of sudo is to avoid using root when at all possible, and then chkrootkit requires you to su to root. |
| 00:49.20 | Guerin | puff: sudo isn't a substitute for root, contrary to what ubuntu would have you believe |
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| 00:52.03 | bleanna_unux | Guerin: ok, same problem "no ethernet card detected" i installed ubuntu and it picked it up and installed the driver r8169 |
| 00:52.18 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: ok, I guess that card is too recent for the installer. |
| 00:52.26 | Guerin | !tell bleanna_unux about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 00:52.33 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: that one, however, should work |
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| 00:54.04 | Lord_Devi | bleanna_unux, For what it's worth. I have the same card, and it worked fine for me when I installed Etch, rather than sarge. |
| 00:54.17 | Guerin | yeh, I too have one, and etch loves it long time |
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| 00:55.42 | bleanna_unux | is there a minimal installer for Etch? |
| 00:56.28 | puff | hm, so manually invoking chkrootkit doesn't turn up a rootkit004w. |
| 00:56.42 | Lord_Devi | bleanna_unux, Yes there is. |
| 00:56.58 | Guerin | puff: are you running the check from clean media? |
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| 00:57.56 | bleanna_unux | Lord_Devi: where? don't see it on the minimal cd d/l page |
| 00:58.03 | matholio | bleanna_unux, do you mean a small initial download, cmd installer, or some way to not install many packages ? |
| 00:58.08 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: it's on the testing page |
| 00:58.15 | matholio | Either way... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:58.31 | puff | Guerin: No, but I'm still getting the warning in the tiger emails. |
| 00:58.40 | Lord_Devi | Yeah. I forget where I got it. I'd have to go search for it again. |
| 00:58.41 | puff | Guerin: Just not when I try to run it manually. |
| 00:58.48 | Guerin | puff: ok, boot to a knoppix CD or something and run it from there |
| 00:59.02 | Guerin | puff: also google for false positives, they're not wildly uncommon |
| 00:59.46 | puff | Guerin: I'm pretty sure it's a false positive, I'm just trying to make sure. |
| 00:59.54 | Guerin | yep. |
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| 01:00.17 | Guerin | i found some sneaky-looking commands in bash histpory the other day ... turned out to be mc |
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| 01:00.31 | Guerin | google, onc again, saved me from a total reinstall |
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| 01:00.33 | yoshi | which disc is it thaty has the gui desktop? |
| 01:00.47 | Guerin | yoshi: cd1 has gnome, I believe |
| 01:00.52 | bleanna_unux | matholio: stable? |
| 01:00.54 | puff | Booting from CD involves tracking down the guy who has the keys to the data center, pulling the machine off the rack, opening it up and plugging in a CD-ROM... so I'm looking into it before I do that. |
| 01:01.01 | Guerin | puff: argh. |
| 01:01.11 | Guerin | puff: in that case, build the source yourself, or something |
| 01:01.18 | puff | Guerin: Yeah, that's why I'm trying ot get some more output than just "rootkit004w" so I can get more from google. |
| 01:01.25 | yoshi | well didnt load. i managed to get debian to boot and while i grew up on a dos box i know nothing about linux command lines which is what i basically got |
| 01:02.28 | Guerin | yoshi: what's your internet connection? |
| 01:02.32 | yoshi | it's dsl |
| 01:02.39 | yoshi | i need to log into it |
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| 01:02.51 | Guerin | yoshi: run pppoeconf |
| 01:02.55 | Guerin | or pppoeconfig |
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| 01:03.06 | Guerin | yoshi: it should be on cd1 |
| 01:03.49 | yoshi | i dont evenknow how to run a programme via a linux command line |
| 01:04.00 | Guerin | yoshi: type the program name |
| 01:04.04 | yoshi | or change directories to the cd directory |
| 01:04.05 | Guerin | it's usually that simple |
| 01:04.23 | Guerin | run aptitude search pppoe |
| 01:04.36 | Guerin | then run aptitude install some-package-which-comes-up |
| 01:04.39 | bleanna_unux | how reliable is Etch? (netinst) img? |
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| 01:04.58 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: depends what you mean. I'd consider it rock-solid for a desktop, and marginal for a server |
| 01:04.59 | ryty | bleanna_unux: more reliable than SID (netinst) img |
| 01:05.12 | apk | bleanna_unux: Etch is very reliable, unless you have an ATI video card apparently. |
| 01:05.24 | yoshi | ok off to try this |
| 01:05.30 | ryty | apk: I run SID, and my video card is working great |
| 01:05.53 | apk | I'd call it rock solid for a server and marginal for a desktop. All my problems have been X related. |
| 01:06.32 | Guerin | apk: hm, it'sd not rock-solid for servers because security updates aren't yet online |
| 01:07.44 | bleanna_unux | well, to expand on stable; good for a dedicated samba, print, apache server? use a pci nvidia card, looking to get gnome on it. |
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| 01:08.01 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: why run gnome on a server? |
| 01:08.17 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: but yes, it should be goiod for that, presuming it isn't internet-facing |
| 01:08.39 | bleanna_unux | Guerin: sometimes i need to have multiple shells |
| 01:08.46 | Guerin | man screen ;) |
| 01:09.09 | puff | sash looks interesting... stand-alone-shell with built-in implementations of cp, chmod, etc, for cases when you're not sure your regular binaries are safe. |
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| 01:09.39 | tydelCA | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.41 | tydelCA | heh |
| 01:10.49 | puff | tydelCA: Well, yeah, but I imagine it's easier to get a safe copy of a single sash binary onto a box than to get everything else (and the path, etc settings) in place. |
| 01:11.23 | puff | Foudn one report of root004w being a possible false positive, but no explanation of just what it was. Argh. |
| 01:12.22 | Guerin | grr |
| 01:12.25 | Guerin | typical |
| 01:12.29 | Guerin | well |
| 01:12.41 | puff | Okay, got the bright idea to google: rootkit004w "false positive" and found three hits. REading now. |
| 01:12.48 | Guerin | give yourself a time limit: if you can't figure it out by that time, pull the plug and presume it's a positive |
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| 01:13.01 | meff | anyone know of an smtp server that just relays to another (tls) server? |
| 01:13.07 | puff | This guy seems good: http://www.6c62.net/blog/index.php |
| 01:13.10 | Guerin | meff: any of them should |
| 01:13.17 | Guerin | meff: ssmtp/nullmailer |
| 01:13.19 | Guerin | fx |
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| 01:13.50 | puff | Guerin: yeah, I would be more worried, but it coincided exactly with some surgery on the threading libraries, and the fact that tiger is still reporting the problem is kinda reassuring. |
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| 01:14.47 | antum1 | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian on an a machine with a USB Wireless network device, is there anyway to do it? I get to the "Configure the Network" Screen but can't seem to connect |
| 01:15.56 | Guerin | apk: it depends on the wireless network device |
| 01:16.12 | Guerin | apk: if you have some other network I *strongly* advise using that for the install |
| 01:16.35 | bleanna_unux | Guerin: what do u mean by "internet-facing"? |
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| 01:16.57 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: i mean publicly accessible by me, from here |
| 01:17.45 | antum1 | Guerin Its a DLink wireless dongle thing... I'm in the garage so I can't reach an ethernet cable out here :( |
| 01:18.08 | paras | channel, is it possibile to debootstarp from experimental? |
| 01:18.32 | bleanna_unux | Guerin: are u refering to the samba & print server? |
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| 01:22.13 | litage | why might mirroring part of the debian archive often fail with this error?: http://rafb.net/p/j3jO6S27.html it's happening 3-5 times per week for me |
| 01:22.54 | Wyzard | paras: No, experimental is not a complete distribution |
| 01:23.19 | paras | Wyzard, ok.. that;s what i was thinking.. anyway thanks ! |
| 01:23.19 | Wyzard | paras: It's a layer on top of unstable, essentially |
| 01:23.31 | paras | Wyzard, ok |
| 01:23.45 | Guerin | antum1: google the model number |
| 01:23.49 | Guerin | bleanna_unux: yes. |
| 01:23.57 | paras | Wyzard, i wanted ggnome 2.16 so looking for experimental repo |
| 01:24.06 | Guerin | paras: you lose. |
| 01:24.27 | Wyzard | paras: Install unstable and then take individual packages from unstable |
| 01:24.35 | paras | Wyzard, yeah ok |
| 01:24.48 | Wyzard | paras: but a number of the GNOME 2.16 packages depend on GTK 2.10, which is in experimental but its theme engines aren't |
| 01:24.54 | Wyzard | paras: so themes don't work right |
| 01:25.51 | bwlang | i just tried to do mv html/* $www - but it says there are too many arguments.... what the xargs syntax for that? |
| 01:25.55 | paras | Wyzard, no idea.. i am debootstrping from sid and will change sid to experimental to install gnome 2.16 and lets see |
| 01:26.21 | bwlang | ls html/* | xargs mv $www doesn't seem to to do it |
| 01:26.37 | Wyzard | paras: You don't "change from" sid to experimental... you keep your sid source and add an experimental source too |
| 01:26.53 | paras | Wyzard, ok |
| 01:27.04 | Wyzard | paras: and then install specific packages from it -- apt doesn't automatically upgrade to experimental versions of packages just because they're available |
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| 01:27.23 | subopt | Just installed Feisty, and it doesn't recognize my password for initial login. Any suggestions? |
| 01:27.25 | paras | Wyzard, yeah.. |
| 01:27.32 | Wyzard | subopt: #ubuntu |
| 01:27.49 | subopt | Doh! wrong channel, eh? |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 01:28.12 | abrotman | spelling is hard .. let's go shopping! |
| 01:28.58 | puff | Hm, anybody know of a tutorial in how to use debsums? |
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| 01:29.19 | puff | Other than just "su to root, run debsums" |
| 01:29.33 | Guerin | puff: that's all I ever did ;) |
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| 01:30.02 | puff | Well, the only thing that failed was: /var/www/apache2-default/index.html.hr.iso8859-2 FAILED |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | man debsums ? :) |
| 01:30.42 | Wyzard | puff: The manpage has an example of an apt-get command you can use to initially calculate checksums for all your already-installed packages |
| 01:31.12 | Wyzard | puff: "apt-get --reinstall -d install `debsums -l`" to redownload the debs for any packages on your system that don't have sums already |
| 01:31.18 | puff | Wyzard: Ah, I must have missed that, I'll go look again. |
| 01:31.27 | puff | Wyzard: cool, that is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking. |
| 01:31.28 | paras | Wyzard, i have put unstable and experimental in my sources.list.. but got an dependency err while doing apt-get install gnome-core |
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| 01:31.46 | Wyzard | puff: then "debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives" to calculate sums for all those debus |
| 01:31.48 | Wyzard | *debs |
| 01:32.10 | puff | Wyzard: Though I was thinking of scp'ing the packages list from the debian box to a separate machine, then getting the md5s from the second machine, then scp'ing back to the suspect box and running debsums there. |
| 01:32.17 | Wyzard | puff: debsums automatically adds a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ so that it'll calculage sums for any newly-installed packages |
| 01:33.10 | Wyzard | puff: so after that you'd just run "debsums -s" to check |
| 01:33.10 | puff | Cool. |
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| 01:33.58 | Wyzard | paras: I got a telepathy error when trying to read what error message you saw |
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| 01:35.03 | paras | Wyzard, http://www.pastebin.ca/362789 |
| 01:36.08 | Wyzard | paras: The experimental gnome-core depends on the experimental versions of those packages, but remember that apt isn't willing to automatically install experimental stuff |
| 01:36.10 | puff | Hm, does debian keep md5sums on file? |
| 01:36.18 | Wyzard | paras: Tell it manually to install those by listing them on the command line |
| 01:36.48 | Wyzard | puff: Yes, that's what it checks the files against |
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| 01:37.06 | puff | E.g. on the website... was thinking it would be a neat little tool to write, that remotely fetches the packages list from a suspect box, then fetchs the md5sums from debian.org, pushes those back to the box and runs debsums. |
| 01:37.17 | paras | Wyzard, ok |
| 01:38.03 | Wyzard | puff: For more serious auditing like that, you'd want to use a tool like tripwire, not debsums |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman | tripwire gets annoying |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | !tripwire |
| 01:39.00 | dpkg | it has been said that tripwire is a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cyrptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Layman's terms: It tells you if you've been haX03d and 0w3n3d.. Use AIDE instead, or for open source tripwire see http://www.tripwire.org/ and for CVS instructions see http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3130 |
| 01:39.00 | bleanna_unux | for etch, i should be looking @ the stable packages right (http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages) |
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| 01:39.13 | Wyzard | bleanna_unux: No, etch is still testing |
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| 01:40.09 | espen_ | what was the command to open perl setup window to install modules? |
| 01:42.52 | ReturnToZero | Bonne nuit a tous :x:x:x:x:x:x |
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| 01:48.41 | Fly-Man- | How can I install the latest Apache version on my server ?? |
| 01:48.41 | bleanna_unux | yay! the etch netimg picked up the nic |
| 01:48.42 | Fly-Man- | and which apt-get package to grab |
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| 01:49.29 | Ronin | Fly-Man-: apt-get install |
| 01:49.38 | Ronin | and you'll get the latest in debian |
| 01:49.48 | Fly-Man- | apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | sure |
| 01:50.49 | Fly-Man- | or am I better off getting it from httpd.apache.org |
| 01:50.53 | Fly-Man- | and then installing it ? |
| 01:51.14 | Fly-Man- | (is building a server which would need module mod_vhost.dbi) |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | Fly-Man-: try the debian package first |
| 01:54.29 | Fly-Man- | is there a way to see which version it is ? |
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| 01:56.24 | Fly-Man- | does that one also install apxs2 ? |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | Fly-Man-: apt-cache show |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | !tel Fly-Man- about search |
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| 01:57.01 | Fly-Man- | Thanx, found it :) |
| 01:57.04 | Fly-Man- | 2.0.54 |
| 01:57.58 | pantos | oi, just got done with apt-get dist-upgrade; why doesn't everyone do this? :-) |
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| 01:58.42 | Reiser_X | what run level execute Linux in console mode? |
| 01:58.54 | pantos | any runlevel |
| 01:59.04 | pantos | if yo want single user |
| 01:59.18 | pantos | that is init -s. or reboot, interrupt |
| 01:59.22 | pantos | and tack on -s |
| 01:59.37 | pantos | if your using grub, hit any key at the menu and type -s |
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| 02:00.02 | Reiser_X | i have this now |
| 02:00.03 | Reiser_X | id:2:initdefault: |
| 02:00.07 | pantos | :) |
| 02:00.08 | Fly-Man- | Is there a way of updating the already installed Apache 2.0.54 to 2.0.59 ? |
| 02:00.10 | Reiser_X | and this run X auto |
| 02:00.27 | pantos | F;y: yo would have to monkey with the .deb |
| 02:00.32 | pantos | as in make your own |
| 02:00.34 | amphi | !tell Reiser_X about nodm |
| 02:00.40 | pantos | if you want to replace the den=bian installed one |
| 02:00.41 | puff | Hm, okay, so debsums only found two suspect files: |
| 02:00.45 | puff | /var/www/apache2-default/index.html.hr.iso8859-2 FAILED |
| 02:00.45 | puff | /usr/share/squirrelmail/functions/strings.php FAILED |
| 02:00.53 | Fly-Man- | pantos, or get it from some other debian source ? |
| 02:00.53 | pantos | or ... look for other .deb sites that might have it |
| 02:01.03 | Fly-Man- | somebody told me there was some other source site |
| 02:01.17 | Fly-Man- | something with badreleases.org or something like that |
| 02:01.25 | pantos | there are plenty of source sites ya |
| 02:01.28 | puff | Appears pretty innocuous. |
| 02:01.32 | Ronin | Fly-Man-: why does it have to be that one? |
| 02:01.35 | pantos | google em :) |
| 02:01.51 | Fly-Man- | Ronin, I want to get my Apache to work with mod_vhost_dbi |
| 02:01.53 | pantos | for instance, I used a deprecated site to get ie4linux to work etc |
| 02:02.07 | Ronin | and it wont work with the versions of apache in debian? |
| 02:02.13 | Fly-Man- | and for some way I need to configure stuff with an apxs2 thing |
| 02:02.21 | Fly-Man- | but when I search for that |
| 02:02.26 | Reiser_X | thanks dpkg |
| 02:02.26 | dpkg | Reiser_X: no worries |
| 02:02.27 | Fly-Man- | it shows 1.3.39 |
| 02:02.38 | Fly-Man- | so now I'm confused |
| 02:02.48 | pantos | *but* if your doing it just for experimental purpose, you could always build it in $HOME, fool around with it then look at helping the package folks later with making it work on etch |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | !find apxs2 etch |
| 02:03.36 | pantos | :) |
| 02:03.39 | Fly-Man- | pantos, this needs to be a production machine in 5 hours |
| 02:03.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apxs2' (1): (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev. |
| 02:03.56 | Ronin | Fly-Man-: well at least you're not waiting till the last minute |
| 02:04.15 | Fly-Man- | and it needs to work with MyDNS and MySQL site installations |
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| 02:05.52 | lucianolorenti | hello, can anyone help me with the installation, say that can't find /target/dev/pts, and /target/dev/shm :s |
| 02:06.36 | yoshi | typeing in pppoeconf didnt make it run |
| 02:06.46 | yoshi | got some bash error telling me thwere is no such command |
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| 02:07.19 | Fly-Man- | Ronin, any suggestions ?? |
| 02:07.27 | Fly-Man- | I'm wanting to use this moduke |
| 02:07.30 | Fly-Man- | module* |
| 02:07.32 | Fly-Man- | http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_vhost_dbi/ |
| 02:07.54 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: whinc installer ? |
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| 02:08.59 | black_13 | what will happen if you delete the terminfo data |
| 02:08.59 | yoshi | i am beggning to think i may need a linux distro thats a bit more newbie friendly |
| 02:09.01 | lucianolorenti | abrotman.. the debian installer, not the kernel 2.6, the other. 2.4? |
| 02:09.12 | abrotman | did you try a 2.6 ? |
| 02:09.33 | lucianolorenti | yes, but give, i think the same error, i'm goint to test |
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| 02:10.26 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: how old/new is the box ? |
| 02:11.06 | olsen | i think it would be nice if debian gives you the *choice* of install Iceweasel or Firefox |
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| 02:11.20 | lucianolorenti | abrotman, it's old, is a p 100 with 32 ram |
| 02:11.22 | olsen | but maybe im missing some point |
| 02:11.31 | lucianolorenti | have a pci usb and a ethernet pci, too |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | !why firefox |
| 02:11.36 | lucianolorenti | 4 gb |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 02:11.43 | dpkg | somebody said why iceweasel was debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 02:13.09 | lucianolorenti | abrotman with the 2.6 kernel, can't unpack xfsprogs-udeb, thing that i can't choose. The installer select autmatically the componenst of the CD |
| 02:13.17 | lucianolorenti | i will try with another debian cd |
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| 02:14.08 | olsen | why not try to make the approval instead of forking? |
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| 02:14.38 | PingFloyd | olsen: because of policy |
| 02:15.30 | olsen | policy? |
| 02:16.18 | olsen | i think i understand |
| 02:16.25 | PingFloyd | olsen: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 02:17.05 | ctp | hi folks. i've setup a debian server authenticating against ldap. all users i created have an ssha hash as userPassword, but using the passwd command ldap doesnt write "userPassword: {SSHA}xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" hash but "userPassword:: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" anyone has an idea whats going wrong? |
| 02:18.06 | olsen | PingFloyd: why do we need to make a approval for the firefox name? |
| 02:18.25 | olsen | PingFloyd: the firefox name isnt free? |
| 02:18.28 | PingFloyd | olsen: the way I understand it that firefox's logo doesn't fit in those guidelines |
| 02:18.44 | olsen | yeh it doesnt fit |
| 02:18.55 | lucianolorenti | how can i choose the packages of the installer?, not the installer choose autmatically |
| 02:19.08 | olsen | PingFloyd: i understand the point for not distributing firefox now, and i agree |
| 02:19.16 | PingFloyd | olsen: there was like copyright issues when it came the logo and trademark issue when it came to the name or something |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: chooses what? are you using the tasksel ? |
| 02:19.48 | olsen | PingFloyd: i see |
| 02:20.15 | PingFloyd | olsen: probably more to it, but it was never really a big deal to me either way. |
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| 02:21.11 | lucianolorenti | abrotman. the components of the installer, like the support of ext3, or the partman components |
| 02:21.13 | antum1 | I've found an article that explains how to install a Wireless USB dongle using Suse 9.2 I am wondering if anyone could help me get it going for Debian 3.1? The article is here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=327797 |
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| 02:22.13 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: maybe expert or expert26 |
| 02:22.30 | HymnToLife | !ndiswrapper |
| 02:22.31 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 02:22.43 | lucianolorenti | abrotman i try but don't do anything, choose automatically :S |
| 02:22.49 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 02:22.49 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:22.52 | abrotman | antum1: ^^ |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | antum1: then put the drivers where they belong |
| 02:23.08 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: etch or sarge installer ? |
| 02:23.30 | antum1 | abrotman thanks ... it looks mightily confusing to me... where do I search to see if there is a driver already for DWL-G122 ? |
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| 02:23.45 | abrotman | you'd have ti know the chpiset |
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| 02:23.58 | HymnToLife | antum1, the ndiswrapper wiki has an extensive list of drivers |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | markybob: i had a question for you .. and my feeble mind has failed me once again |
| 02:24.05 | lucianolorenti | abrotman.. ehh. you kill me with taht cuestion , how can i know? |
| 02:24.09 | HymnToLife | you just need to know the pciidd of your chip |
| 02:24.20 | HymnToLife | pciid* |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | it's usb |
| 02:24.25 | markybob | abrotman, i'll pm you my email address so it doesnt happen again :) |
| 02:24.26 | HymnToLife | lsusb will tell you |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: 3.1 or 4.0 installer |
| 02:24.43 | lucianolorenti | 4.0 |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | markybob: it wasn't that important :) |
| 02:24.44 | HymnToLife | i don't know what it's called for usb devices but it works the same way |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | markybob: but thanks :) |
| 02:25.02 | markybob | abrotman, no worries :) |
| 02:25.06 | antum1 | HymnToLife thanks, s |
| 02:25.19 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: it should have an expert mode .. |
| 02:25.24 | abrotman | lucianolorenti: what's the error you're getting ? |
| 02:26.18 | lucianolorenti | have an expert mode, but the components select automatically, now say that cant't find the /target/dev/pts, and /target/dev/shm |
| 02:26.26 | lucianolorenti | i will try with another cd player |
| 02:26.35 | lucianolorenti | i turn off this machine for a while.. |
| 02:26.43 | abrotman | yeah .. but thjose should be there |
| 02:26.54 | antum1 | On the ndiswrapper wiki it says there is a driver for Fedora, is it likely to work with Debian? |
| 02:27.05 | abrotman | antum1: what's the driver name ? |
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| 02:28.23 | antum1 | Umm, I don't know (yikes) It says it uses chipset Ralink 2500 |
| 02:28.33 | abrotman | antum1: are youusing sarge or etch ? |
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| 02:28.57 | stanlon | anything like MS workgroup for Debian? |
| 02:28.59 | antum1 | I've just found some CD's which say Debian 3.1, I'm installing the OS now |
| 02:29.13 | abrotman | for a workstation ? |
| 02:29.17 | centrx | stanlon you mean Windows for Workgroups 3.11? |
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| 02:29.30 | antum1 | abrotman for a test, I need to learn how to create a mail server |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | on wireless ? |
| 02:29.44 | jetscreamer | linneighborhood ? |
| 02:29.46 | bleanna_unux | iceweasel is firefox in etch? |
| 02:29.53 | antum1 | well, yeah, just as a test... the actual server is on a T1 |
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| 02:30.16 | jetscreamer | yes bleanna_unux |
| 02:30.17 | abrotman | !d-i antum1 |
| 02:30.17 | dpkg | antum1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:30.19 | stanlon | centrx: i mean the Workgroups where people in a wlan can transfer files among themselves. |
| 02:30.24 | jetscreamer | and icedove is thunderbird |
| 02:30.28 | abrotman | antum1: oh wait .. you mean you have to do this tomrororw? |
| 02:30.37 | jetscreamer | stanlon: yes they call them workgroups iirc |
| 02:31.02 | stanlon | jetscreamer: anything like this fr Debian? any packages? |
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| 02:31.16 | antum1 | abrotman, I have to learn how to set it up as soon as possible, it doesn't have to be tomorrow, how come? |
| 02:31.27 | PseudoPlacebo | Can anyone point me at a good resource for fixing an x installation? |
| 02:31.28 | centrx | stanlon If you mean Windows shares, Linux can fully interact with them |
| 02:31.31 | jetscreamer | stanlon: you just do it... samba is the word you want i think |
| 02:31.38 | jetscreamer | !samba |
| 02:31.38 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 02:32.04 | centrx | stanlon if you just want to use the shares, not serve them, you don't need to read anything |
| 02:32.06 | abrotman | antum1: the wireless driver you need isn't in sarge .. but it is in etch |
| 02:32.11 | jetscreamer | stanlon: samba can even be a pdc |
| 02:32.18 | jetscreamer | rather a box running samba |
| 02:32.31 | stanlon | jetscreamer: centrx: thks. Gong Xi Fa Cai. |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: fixing ? |
| 02:32.37 | pipeline | setting up samba as PDC isn't real easy :P |
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| 02:32.58 | stanlon | What's pdc? |
| 02:33.02 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: My x install is borked, evidently. I just want a site to help be troubleshoot. |
| 02:33.03 | centrx | primary domain controller |
| 02:33.05 | jetscreamer | primary domain controller |
| 02:33.09 | jetscreamer | damn i'm slow |
| 02:33.15 | stanlon | oh, that. |
| 02:33.17 | abrotman | pseubodot: look in the log .. start there . find the EE lines |
| 02:33.25 | antum1 | abrotman, so I should download etch installer? |
| 02:33.31 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:34.02 | jetscreamer | PseudoPlacebo: there are a few 'usual' borks that we may know of, with xwindows... tell us the error |
| 02:34.09 | abrotman | antum1: but it shouldn't be used for a mail server until it is released |
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| 02:34.18 | abrotman | antum1: and there's no timeline yet |
| 02:34.44 | centrx | if it's just a test it wouldn't be an actual mail server |
| 02:35.06 | antum1 | abrotman, oh my, then what should I do? I'm basically trying to get my clients websites off the shared hosts and onto a dedicated server, but the server doesn't have mail support, I'd have to install that myself... |
| 02:35.07 | jetscreamer | this is a test... this is only a test |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | centrx: he has to set it up on a real one though |
| 02:35.22 | abrotman | antum1: timeline is soon ? |
| 02:35.48 | centrx | why wouldn't you be able to use the wireless driver on sarge? |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | he could |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | he has to do all the hardwork himself |
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| 02:36.55 | antum1 | Web developer I am, system administrator I am not |
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| 02:38.07 | antum1 | Does anyone have any suggestions for me? I've tried to go down this path many times before but I always come up against a brick wall somewhere along the way |
| 02:38.33 | jetscreamer | my god the difference between my lod monitor and this 'new' one is awesome |
| 02:38.38 | jetscreamer | s/lod/old/ |
| 02:39.14 | abrotman | antum1: you can either go the ndiswrapper route with sarge or try the free driver with etch .. but etch shouldn't be used in production until it is released |
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| 02:41.24 | PseudoPlacebo | [21:34:02] <jetscreamer> PseudoPlacebo: there are a few 'usual' borks that we may know of, with xwindows... tell us the error |
| 02:41.34 | PseudoPlacebo | Alright, I just didn't wanna waste your time, I guess. |
| 02:41.54 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: we're not here to look good |
| 02:42.13 | PseudoPlacebo | Alright. |
| 02:42.20 | PseudoPlacebo | I've gotten contrary responses other places though. |
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| 02:42.35 | PseudoPlacebo | It's giving a few "no symbols found" for module/extensions/libGLcore.a:* |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: firstly .. which version of debian ? |
| 02:42.53 | gpm | hi all. when i try encoding a video with mencoder, it just sits there and the output file i specified never gets created... |
| 02:42.54 | PseudoPlacebo | And also "Driver can't support depth 24" and "No screens found" |
| 02:42.58 | gpm | can someone help? |
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| 02:43.17 | PseudoPlacebo | Er, abrotman, the most recent stable netinst from the debian site. |
| 02:43.21 | Supaplex | mmm strace might tell you what it's up to |
| 02:43.25 | PseudoPlacebo | If you can give me a command to show it. |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: start with a lower bit depth .. like 16 |
| 02:43.39 | PseudoPlacebo | Alright. |
| 02:43.48 | PseudoPlacebo | Er what's the command to reconfigure x again? =< |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | !drxx PseudoPlacebo |
| 02:44.21 | dpkg | PseudoPlacebo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:44.54 | PseudoPlacebo | Cool thanks. |
| 02:46.19 | PseudoPlacebo | Er I got "Depth 16 not supported by this driver' |
| 02:46.35 | Azar | good evening mr abrotman, you look indeed good tonight |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | hi |
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| 02:47.05 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: which driver are you choosing .. and what is your card ? |
| 02:47.36 | PseudoPlacebo | Well right now I'm using Parallels on a Mac Mini, thus an intel card. And I'm using the VGA driver. |
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| 02:48.10 | Azar | phoronix got an article on the upcoming Nvidia 1.0-9xxx / 2.0-xxxx for linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=648&num=1 |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: what does it emulate |
| 02:48.31 | abrotman | Azar: are tehy open source ? |
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| 02:48.58 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: I'm not sure, I think it just emulates regular screen. |
| 02:49.02 | PseudoPlacebo | it doesn't let me change it much |
| 02:49.03 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: lspci |
| 02:49.06 | Azar | abrotman: I am trying to understand.. it says that odd fact is that Nvidia "secretly" doing something on that direction ?? maybe I mis-understood |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | Azar: i'm skeptical |
| 02:49.25 | Guerin | Azar: don't believe the hype |
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| 02:49.53 | Guerin | nvidia are under NDA from SGI, a much bigger and meaner company than them. They can't free their drivers, or allow any of their staff to work on free drivers. |
| 02:50.28 | PseudoPlacebo | I got "VGA Compatible controller: Unknown Device aaa1:1131 |
| 02:50.34 | Guerin | SGI's technology was what made nvidia's riva the shizzle back in the days when 4MB of video ram was more than you'd ever need |
| 02:50.38 | PseudoPlacebo | Er, s/aaa1:1131/aaaa:1131/ |
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| 02:50.59 | Guerin | PseudoPlacebo: update-pciids |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: update-pciids |
| 02:51.15 | Azar | Guerin, abrotman, I am trying to decipher the context, it might not be "free" the sentence is not clear |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | Azar: nvidia sucks! |
| 02:51.31 | PseudoPlacebo | Ooh it kind a flashed something |
| 02:51.32 | Guerin | Azar: my advice: ignore it |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: try the lspci thing again |
| 02:52.27 | Azar | Guerin: what if Nvidia goes 100% Vista? what are we to do? |
| 02:52.38 | Kobaz | use ati |
| 02:52.40 | PseudoPlacebo | It still says VGA compatible controller: Unknown device aaaa:1131 |
| 02:52.45 | Azar | ewwwwwwwww thanks no |
| 02:52.57 | Kobaz | well it's pretty much the only other option |
| 02:52.58 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 02:53.06 | Azar | What I got now might work for me four more years... |
| 02:53.18 | antum1 | Are there any websites dealing with running a mail server? |
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| 02:53.31 | Kobaz | it's not like if nvidia suddenly stops shipping the linux driver nothing will work |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | antum1: the websites for the MTA .. yeah |
| 02:53.44 | Guerin | Azar: not notice? |
| 02:53.48 | Kobaz | they have the open source part of the driver, that can always be updated to work with new kernels.. etc etdc |
| 02:53.50 | Guerin | Azar: I wouldn't anyway. |
| 02:54.03 | Fly-Man- | No way this mod_vhost_dbi is gonna work on this server ... |
| 02:54.07 | antum1 | abrotman do they give sort of an overview of how a linux mail server works? |
| 02:54.14 | Azar | maybe in four years we can get our own free video hardware |
| 02:54.14 | Guerin | antum1: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | antum1: that's why you hire an admin |
| 02:54.28 | Guerin | well |
| 02:54.33 | Guerin | he might just want an overview |
| 02:54.34 | antum1 | abrotman know where to find a good admin? |
| 02:54.41 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: I'm getting "Screens found, but none have a usable configuration." and "fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer)" |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | !consultants |
| 02:54.46 | dpkg | from memory, consultants is http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 02:54.46 | Guerin | for which there is greycat's excellent mail tutorial |
| 02:54.51 | antum1 | Guerin thanks :) |
| 02:55.01 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: choose 8bit and the vesa driver |
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| 02:55.56 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: That worked for a quarter of a second |
| 02:55.58 | PseudoPlacebo | Then I got |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | WE NO LIKIE YOU! |
| 02:56.11 | PseudoPlacebo | "Failed to initialize core devices" |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:56.17 | PseudoPlacebo | Yeah pretty much |
| 02:56.21 | terr | Can anyone tell me anything about python under ideal on Debian? I see it in the menu under development but nothing comes up. |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: what mouse device did you use ? |
| 02:56.37 | PseudoPlacebo | dev/mouse or something similar |
| 02:56.56 | terr | pardon - python IDLE |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | is the mousedev module loaded ? |
| 02:57.11 | PseudoPlacebo | I don't know. >.> |
| 02:57.20 | abrotman | !Mousedev |
| 02:57.20 | dpkg | This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
| 02:58.02 | Supaplex | !feedme |
| 02:58.09 | PseudoPlacebo | It echoed "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | !eat Supaplex |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: try X again |
| 02:58.40 | Fly-Man- | Thanx for all the people that tried to help |
| 02:58.49 | Supaplex | !eat flaming death |
| 02:58.50 | Supaplex | :P |
| 02:58.58 | PseudoPlacebo | Cool |
| 02:59.00 | PseudoPlacebo | It kinda worked |
| 02:59.03 | PseudoPlacebo | in all 8 bits |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: kinda ? |
| 02:59.12 | PseudoPlacebo | Oh there we go |
| 02:59.18 | PseudoPlacebo | The GNOME boot thing didn't come up for a little bit |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | did you put mousedev in /etc/modules ? |
| 02:59.26 | PseudoPlacebo | Naw it's workin' now. |
| 02:59.34 | PseudoPlacebo | Can I just put it back to 24 now or will that break it again? |
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| 02:59.39 | abrotman | ye s.. but you need that line in that file .. or X won't work next time |
| 02:59.51 | PseudoPlacebo | Oh yeah I did |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | vesa only does 8bit |
| 03:00.07 | terr | I need someone to do some very simple checks for me re Python. I'm not sure if I have things installed right. |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | since it doesn't seem to emulate a real card .. can't help you much there |
| 03:00.13 | abrotman | terr: just ask |
| 03:00.17 | PseudoPlacebo | Er weird, my mouse isn't working |
| 03:00.28 | PseudoPlacebo | =[ |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | kids and their mice these days :) |
| 03:00.50 | PseudoPlacebo | Haha. =[ |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | what protocol did you pick ? |
| 03:01.11 | PseudoPlacebo | I'm not sure. =[ |
| 03:01.14 | PseudoPlacebo | Sorry for my ignorenace. |
| 03:01.15 | Azar | holy cow Nouveau supports ALL nvidia cards! |
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| 03:01.29 | PseudoPlacebo | Shit I spelled ignorance incorrectly. |
| 03:01.35 | PseudoPlacebo | Well I guess it only continues my point. |
| 03:02.11 | terr | in the menu (kde) there is an entry "development" and in there is an entry for "debian". Please bring it up and see what python entries are present. I have IDLE (python v2.1) and python (v2.1) and python (v2.3) |
| 03:02.17 | terr | Is this correct? |
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| 03:03.43 | abrotman | if only i had kde ... |
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| 03:04.13 | terr | abrotman: check your menus please and see if you have an entry for IDLE (python) |
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| 03:04.37 | abrotman | i have items for Python 2.2 and 2.4 etc .. but not IDLE |
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| 03:05.12 | terr | abrotman: ok. You are a little newer than I am. I need to find out what the IDLE item is suppose to do. |
| 03:05.35 | terr | abrotman: I _think_ it is suppose to be a souped up interactive shell. |
| 03:06.00 | abrotman | did you try asking #python ? :) |
| 03:06.14 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: How do I exit X so I can make my mouse work? =[ |
| 03:06.23 | terr | abrotman: freenode won't let me join the chanel |
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| 03:06.29 | markybob | pseubodot, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 03:06.56 | PseudoPlacebo | Er and then what should I do for this mouse thing? |
| 03:07.02 | PseudoPlacebo | Try a different mouse device? |
| 03:07.10 | terr | abrotman: I was in irc.debian.org and the only chap was from norway and had to go to bed. |
| 03:07.10 | abrotman | different mouse protocol probably |
| 03:07.27 | abrotman | terr: there's a #python on this server |
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| 03:07.51 | abrotman | you might have to be identified to services |
| 03:08.48 | terr | abrotman: freenode won't let me join the chanel #python |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | you're not ID'ed to services |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | see if ##python exists |
| 03:09.28 | terr | abrotman: I don't know how to set up the ident at this point. I just wanted a quick ans. and I can't join the proper channe |
| 03:09.55 | abrotman | !info idle etch |
| 03:09.58 | terr | nope ##python is just me. |
| 03:10.01 | dpkg | idle: (An IDE for Python using Tkinter (default version)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.4.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 03:10.20 | PseudoPlacebo | uh crap |
| 03:10.29 | PseudoPlacebo | so I changed the device on the parallels thing |
| 03:10.39 | PseudoPlacebo | and now my mouse doesn't work with my OS X system. =[ |
| 03:10.44 | terr | abrotman: Hmm. So I presume I have the IDE. How to I run it? |
| 03:10.56 | PseudoPlacebo | Eh I fixed it |
| 03:11.06 | abrotman | terr: make sure it's installed |
| 03:11.13 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: now we have beer! |
| 03:11.13 | PseudoPlacebo | So uh I got it to recognize the mouse I suppose |
| 03:11.19 | abrotman | oh wait .. you're a mac user .. |
| 03:11.30 | terr | abrotman: what should I look for? |
| 03:11.36 | PseudoPlacebo | Don't be hatin'. ='[ |
| 03:11.42 | abrotman | terr: dpkg -l idle* |
| 03:11.43 | markybob | abrotman, i dont blame you. i'm not even helping and i feel the need to start drinking. ;) |
| 03:11.50 | PseudoPlacebo | It goe "new USB device 00:1d.0-1, assigned 3" |
| 03:11.51 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: i've got one in my closet collecting dust |
| 03:11.59 | abrotman | markybob: heh |
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| 03:12.25 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: So how can I get it to use that if I know it's address. |
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| 03:13.09 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: i don't know anything about parallels |
| 03:13.16 | PseudoPlacebo | Well I mean in Debian |
| 03:13.19 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: what is the device ? |
| 03:13.19 | terr | rc idle-python2.1 2.1.3-3.2 An IDE for Python (v2.1) using Tkinter |
| 03:13.28 | abrotman | not installed |
| 03:13.29 | PseudoPlacebo | [22:11:50] <PseudoPlacebo> It goe "new USB device 00:1d.0-1, assigned 3" |
| 03:13.38 | markybob | terr, that's it? any other lines? |
| 03:14.21 | terr | markybob: 3 other lines. pn on all of them version = none. description = no discription available |
| 03:14.32 | markybob | terr, ok then. apt-get install idle |
| 03:14.38 | litage | how do you use a pipe in the "-exec" argument for /usr/bin/find ? these fail: find . -exec foo | bar \; find . -exec foo \| bar \; |
| 03:14.45 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: good .. what is it ? |
| 03:14.52 | terr | markybob: I take it I do NOT have it installed? |
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| 03:15.07 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: What do you mean? |
| 03:15.10 | PseudoPlacebo | Er that's my mouse |
| 03:15.12 | PseudoPlacebo | Which isn't working? |
| 03:15.17 | markybob | terr, installed items show up with 'ii' ...not 'rc' or anything else |
| 03:15.17 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: oh .. i thought you said it was working |
| 03:15.28 | PseudoPlacebo | Oh sorry, miscommunication. |
| 03:15.31 | terr | markybob: OH!!! what does rc stand for? |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | tells you at the top |
| 03:15.44 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: uname -a |
| 03:16.03 | litage | terr: follow the vertical and angled lines up to see what each letter (i, r, c, p, etc) means |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | donde esta liable?! |
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| 03:16.35 | markybob | abrotman, por que? ;) |
| 03:16.40 | PseudoPlacebo | Linux aristotle 2.4.27-3-386 $1 Thu Sep 14 08:44:58 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:17.09 | terr | markybob: gotcha |
| 03:17.10 | jamonation | how do i turn off the liability disclaimer on ssh login? |
| 03:17.17 | abrotman | is the usbhid module loaded and usbmgr installed ? |
| 03:17.21 | abrotman | markybob: you know you want one! |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | jamonation: edit the file that displays it ? |
| 03:17.34 | markybob | abrotman, heh :) |
| 03:17.39 | jamonation | yeah, that would do it |
| 03:17.55 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: I don't know. =[ |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | markybob: or perhaps the real problem is that you don't want a duplicate CD |
| 03:17.58 | markybob | abrotman, you got me curious, though. what kind of wine are you having? |
| 03:18.02 | jamonation | which file is it? i looked at /etc/issue.net |
| 03:18.07 | dondelelcaro | jamonation: /etc/motd |
| 03:18.08 | terr | markybob: why wouldn't the command be apt-get install idle-python2.1 |
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| 03:18.22 | abrotman | markybob: none right now .. i had some pinot noir last night (gift from a while ago) |
| 03:18.36 | abrotman | markybob: i have to migrate a couple of systems tomorrow |
| 03:18.37 | markybob | terr, i really dont give a damn which one of those two you do. |
| 03:18.46 | jamonation | ah thanks dondelelcaro |
| 03:19.17 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: How would I check if they were installed / install them? |
| 03:19.22 | terr | markybob: I didn't realise idle was the default. I'm installing ti now |
| 03:19.34 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: lsmod for usbhid and dpkg -l usbmgr |
| 03:20.00 | PseudoPlacebo | Neither are installed. |
| 03:20.00 | PseudoPlacebo | =[ |
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| 03:20.42 | PseudoPlacebo | How would I install them, now? |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep mips |
| 03:21.11 | PseudoPlacebo | bogomips: 1520.43 |
| 03:21.27 | terr | exit |
| 03:21.32 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 usbmgr |
| 03:21.58 | PseudoPlacebo | I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help. <3 |
| 03:22.27 | markybob | wow...a heart. in #debian. that's precious :) |
| 03:22.39 | PseudoPlacebo | Whatever you say gollum. |
| 03:22.46 | markybob | rofl |
| 03:23.32 | markybob | oh wow...now i *really* need to start drinking |
| 03:23.42 | abrotman | yes .. you do .. |
| 03:23.50 | markybob | ha! |
| 03:24.05 | ice63 | :) |
| 03:24.32 | PseudoPlacebo | He just wants you for your money. |
| 03:24.55 | markybob | i can pretty much guarantee you that he's got more money than i do :) funny, though |
| 03:25.12 | abrotman | hey .. you never know! |
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| 03:25.35 | magyar | is there a way to block "Gotomypc" from entering internal network? |
| 03:25.35 | PseudoPlacebo | Well if you're their accountant.... |
| 03:26.03 | abrotman | nullroute their website ? |
| 03:27.28 | terr | Damn. I cannot close that python shell!!! |
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| 03:27.47 | abrotman | ctrl-d |
| 03:28.15 | terr | abrotman: nope. No command prompt. |
| 03:28.23 | terr | abrotman: its just an empty window |
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| 03:28.58 | abrotman | close it |
| 03:29.30 | undesktop | xkill |
| 03:29.30 | terr | abrotman: nope. won't close. Its owned by this bash shell... I can see it as a child process |
| 03:29.50 | undesktop | kill -9 |
| 03:29.54 | undesktop | violence |
| 03:29.57 | undesktop | awwr |
| 03:30.04 | terr | found it - was stopped in bg. |
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| 03:31.07 | terr | not too bad. Looks like I can edit a function! |
| 03:31.18 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: Hmm, I installed that stuff. Still doesn't work. |
| 03:31.28 | abrotman | did you restart ? |
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| 03:31.59 | terr | abrotman: pulled it from bg and its fine. |
| 03:32.05 | PseudoPlacebo | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:32.11 | abrotman | PseudoPlacebo: uname -a again |
| 03:32.20 | terr | abrotman: I think I'm underway. Thanx all |
| 03:32.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:32.39 | undesktop | "uname: extra operand `again'" |
| 03:32.53 | abrotman | undesktop: try being helpful :) |
| 03:34.06 | markybob | i probably shouldnt be taking my heart meds with a beer. *shrug* oh well...desperate times and all that jazz |
| 03:34.07 | PseudoPlacebo | Linux aristotle 2.4.27-3-386 blahtimeblah |
| 03:34.07 | magyar | has anyone successfully blocked "gotomypc" from traversing the internal network? |
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| 03:34.07 | undesktop | imagine situations like this: "try one of the following: rm -rf dir / rmdir dir" |
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| 03:34.08 | markybob | magyar, abrotman already answered you |
| 03:34.16 | magyar | where |
| 03:34.17 | magyar | ? |
| 03:34.34 | magyar | nullroute? |
| 03:34.35 | madd_matt | magyar, abrotman> nullroute their website ? |
| 03:34.44 | madd_matt | ie, block gotomypc.com |
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| 03:35.26 | magyar | oh sweet, nullroute, what do i do with that, shore it, smoke it, shoot it up the vein? |
| 03:35.41 | markybob | magyar, you park the attitude, first off |
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| 03:35.50 | magyar | done |
| 03:36.27 | markybob | magyar, route add -host ip/site/server reject |
| 03:36.46 | magyar | madd_matt: i tried blocking the whole "gotomypc" subnet but still no cigar |
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| 03:37.24 | abrotman | blocking which way? incoming or outgoing ? |
| 03:37.30 | magyar | markybob: the number of servers feeding the software is to large |
| 03:37.44 | magyar | abrotman: both ways |
| 03:37.53 | markybob | magyar, which command did you use, exactly? |
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| 03:38.02 | magyar | markybob: so is the subnetworks |
| 03:38.06 | zu22 | lo~ |
| 03:38.10 | zu22 | getting 100% ploss for http.us.debian.org (35.9.37.225), have another site I can add to my sources.list (running testing) until that site comes back up? |
| 03:38.17 | abrotman | !yinzersmite zu22 |
| 03:38.23 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:38.24 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:38.26 | zu22 | abrotman: haha hey dude |
| 03:38.31 | dondelelcaro | zu22: see above. |
| 03:38.41 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: thanks, it was working ~10 mins ago so wonder what happened |
| 03:38.45 | abrotman | zu22: if you're still near pitsburgh .. try pair.net |
| 03:38.56 | zu22 | abrotman: ok yeah i am still here |
| 03:38.57 | lotus-blade | no video bios modes found for chosen color depth on i830 |
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| 03:39.12 | lotus-blade | can anyone help me with this? |
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| 03:39.30 | lotus-blade | using the i810 driver |
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| 03:39.33 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: anyone i should report that being down to? |
| 03:39.53 | markybob | "Should you believe it necessary to prevent the GoToMyPC service from accessing your company computers, simply block access to the host poll.gotomypc.com" google is so helpful |
| 03:39.56 | markybob | magyar, --^ |
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| 03:40.33 | markybob | get it? got it? good. |
| 03:40.35 | markybob | ;) |
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| 03:40.38 | magyar | markybob: "386 domains sharing nameservers with gotomypc.com" |
| 03:40.40 | zu22 | abrotman: only pair i see in mirror list is "debian.mirrors.pair.com" is that it? |
| 03:40.46 | abrotman | zu22: yep |
| 03:40.55 | markybob | magyar, so? |
| 03:41.02 | zu22 | abrotman: ok, thx |
| 03:41.38 | markybob | magyar, what part of block poll.gotomypc.com didnt make sense? why are you worrying about any other hostnames/servers/blah ? |
| 03:41.46 | talexb | Hiya, trying to get aptitude to behave -- installed from a Knoppix CD and asked for the latest updates .. then the trouble began. |
| 03:41.59 | abrotman | !d-i talexb |
| 03:41.59 | dpkg | talexb, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:42.01 | magyar | markybob: i will give that a shot, hope that works |
| 03:42.08 | markybob | magyar, it will |
| 03:42.12 | magyar | markybob: thank you for your input |
| 03:42.27 | talexb | dpkg: error processing kdebluetooth (--remove) |
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| 03:42.45 | talexb | dpkg, Good advice, thanks will check there first. |
| 03:42.53 | dylan_ | What is Debian's stance on non-free binary blobs in the kernel? |
| 03:43.02 | undesktop | sweet |
| 03:43.34 | abrotman | markybob: i get no credit! |
| 03:43.59 | markybob | abrotman, haha....sorry mate :) i'll back off and let you take care of everyone if you want ;) |
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| 03:44.15 | abrotman | markybob: no .. you can be his personal assisstant :) |
| 03:44.22 | markybob | heh :) |
| 03:44.45 | dylan_ | does anybody know? |
| 03:44.56 | stoned | beer is your friend |
| 03:45.02 | markybob | dylan_, non-free anything and debian dont go together. you can read all about debian policy on the website |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | dylan_: there was a GR about it .. debian.org/vote/ .. i don't remember the outcome |
| 03:45.12 | dylan_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:45.19 | dylan_ | markybob, i understand, but they still host non-free software. |
| 03:46.11 | abrotman | non-free isn't part of debian .. technically |
| 03:46.23 | dylan_ | abrotman, Free Software users lose with Etch |
| 03:46.25 | dylan_ | thanks guys. |
| 03:46.29 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:46.32 | abrotman | lose with etch ? |
| 03:46.33 | markybob | dylan_, fyi... http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
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| 03:46.44 | dylan_ | abrotman, they're going to release it with the kernel issues. |
| 03:46.50 | abrotman | dylan_: issues ? |
| 03:46.53 | markybob | uh? |
| 03:47.21 | dylan_ | abrotman, kernel issues being defined as: non-free software. |
| 03:47.26 | dylan_ | I will continue to use ututo, then. |
| 03:47.33 | abrotman | dylan_: you mean etch's kernel will have blobs ? |
| 03:47.38 | dylan_ | abrotman, yes. |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:47.45 | dylan_ | that is disappointing. |
| 03:48.05 | abrotman | so are companies that don't play nice :) |
| 03:48.06 | zu22 | blobs? |
| 03:48.14 | dylan_ | zu22, binary-only software in Linux. |
| 03:48.18 | abrotman | zu22: binary blobs for drivers etc .. |
| 03:48.32 | zu22 | afaik there is no etch kernel just linux kernel, if you have a gripe take it up with them ;) |
| 03:48.44 | zu22 | dylan_: oh i see |
| 03:48.57 | zu22 | abrotman: nvidia etc gotcha |
| 03:49.04 | abrotman | more like networking |
| 03:49.26 | markybob | for anyone who cares: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing |
| 03:49.53 | zu22 | abrotman: oh yeah, be nice if everyone released their firmware, drivers code etc.. |
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| 03:50.23 | abrotman | specs |
| 03:50.47 | zu22 | they will claim they will be at a competitive disadvantage by doing so but if the law required them to it would be level field, but powerful corporate forces often decide what is and isn't law :( |
| 03:51.33 | olsen | is debian unstable "bleeding edge" ? |
| 03:51.53 | markybob | olsen, in some aspects. not in others. like gnome 2.14 :) |
| 03:51.59 | olsen | markybob: ok |
| 03:52.22 | abrotman | sid has part of 2.16 IIRC |
| 03:52.33 | olsen | why isnt 2.16 on sid? |
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| 03:52.51 | markybob | abrotman, i'm running sid and the gnome about menu still says 2.14.3... *shrug* not sure |
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| 03:53.35 | zu22 | olsen: if you want bleeding edge roll your own kernel and manually install latest packages :P |
| 03:53.35 | abrotman | markybob: dpkg -l | grep 2.16 |
| 03:53.51 | olsen | kde is pretty up to date, 3.5 in testing |
| 03:54.00 | olsen | zu22: heh |
| 03:54.01 | markybob | abrotman, interesting. partially it is :) |
| 03:54.07 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 03:54.19 | olsen | zu22: thats what i used to do in slackware/lfs days :) |
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| 03:54.33 | olsen | zu22: i pretty much come to debian because i like apt :) |
| 03:54.53 | markybob | abrotman, too bad nautilus still isnt 2.16. oh well |
| 03:54.57 | antum1 | Hi, how do I check if I have an MX record setup correctly on a local server? |
| 03:54.58 | zu22 | abrotman: haha My Little Pony damn I still have that theme song burned into my memory from Saturday mornings in the '80s :) |
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| 03:55.11 | zu22 | olsen: apt is very likeable |
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| 03:55.16 | abrotman | zu22: saturday? |
| 03:55.19 | olsen | zu22: yeh |
| 03:55.22 | abrotman | zu22: no GI Joe in your town ? |
| 03:55.49 | abrotman | GO JOE! |
| 03:55.54 | mikess | anyone had a problem with kernel 2.6.20 smp rebooting the pc on shut down? |
| 03:56.05 | abrotman | ##kernel |
| 03:56.17 | zu22 | abrotman: my sisters loved that show, i didn't watch it myself ;) |
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| 03:56.28 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 03:56.37 | Eitan | Hello all. I screwed up my debian setup and I need help. I setup synaptic package manager to include backports, and then I installed all the recommended backports. Now my gui doesn't work. No gnome. Can someone help? |
| 03:56.38 | zu22 | abrotman: my favs were GI Joe, Thundercats, Transformers, He-Man, Voltron etc.. |
| 03:56.43 | markybob | mikess, yeah...what abrotman said...but no, i've had no problems with 2.6.20 with smp |
| 03:56.45 | zu22 | heh |
| 03:56.55 | abrotman | zu22: no M.A.S.K ? |
| 03:57.01 | Eitan | I feel like a fool. |
| 03:57.05 | abrotman | zu22: no Robotech ? |
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| 03:57.19 | markybob | he-man was great. i had a he-man themed birthday party when i was 4 :) heh. |
| 03:57.46 | mikess | abrotman: ,, markybob ,,cheers guys |
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| 03:57.55 | Eitan | I don't know if I broke xorg, gdm, or gnome, but something is broken. Can anyone help me figure out how to fix this? |
| 03:58.00 | zu22 | abrotman: oh yeah Robotech too |
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| 03:58.04 | abrotman | X logs are useful |
| 03:58.13 | markybob | specifically error messages in them |
| 03:58.14 | markybob | ;) |
| 03:58.48 | olsen | zu22: i think apt is the best package management system that i've used |
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| 03:58.54 | snax | hi |
| 03:58.58 | snax | is etch stable yet ? |
| 03:59.03 | markybob | no |
| 03:59.04 | talexb | Still trying to get rid of kdebluetooth .. apt-get --remove kdebluetooth gives me the same errors that I was getting through aptitude (no surprise really) .. How do I get rid of this package? |
| 03:59.09 | abrotman | snax: /topic ? |
| 03:59.13 | zu22 | abrotman: remember that goofy show Land of the Lost? hah. and the classics I loved like Scooby Doo, Bugs Bunny and Friends, Woody Woodpecker, Popeye, Tom & Jerry |
| 03:59.23 | abrotman | talexb: man apt-get |
| 03:59.26 | abrotman | zu22: yes |
| 03:59.37 | markybob | tom & jerry...they just dont make them like they used to ;) |
| 03:59.42 | zu22 | olsen: me too |
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| 04:00.00 | snax | im assuming no. |
| 04:00.02 | snax | sigh |
| 04:00.07 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 04:00.08 | snax | well whats taking so long >: P |
| 04:00.08 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 04:00.14 | markybob | snail, you dont have to assume. go to debian.org. or read the topic |
| 04:00.24 | litage | sorry, got disconnected. did anyone reply to my sed question while i was away? |
| 04:00.24 | olsen | zu22: :) |
| 04:00.25 | zu22 | talexb: you try "dpkg --purge"? look at the dependencies |
| 04:00.28 | markybob | or read when others answer your question right after you ask |
| 04:00.40 | zu22 | markybob: yeah |
| 04:00.45 | abrotman | litage: you mean find ? |
| 04:00.56 | Eitan | How can I set up aptitude to revert all packages that have been upgraded to backports to the non-backported, stable versions? |
| 04:00.59 | snax | ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh come on. |
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| 04:01.11 | litage | abrotman: heh, my sed question must not've made it then =P |
| 04:01.14 | markybob | snax what's your problem? |
| 04:01.18 | litage | why does sed say "sed: -e expression #1, char 17: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS" for this command?: sed -re 's/^\(.+\):.+/\1/g' some_file |
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| 04:01.46 | talexb | abrotman, Thanks, I interpret that to mean 'try -f to fix' -- it didn't. |
| 04:01.49 | zu22 | markybob: too much ritalin i suspect, he left :) |
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| 04:02.09 | markybob | zu22, i was starting to wonder how many times i'd have to answer his question. goofball :) |
| 04:02.12 | talexb | zu22, thanks, tried that and still got errors from post-processing. |
| 04:02.27 | mikess | markybob: Could it be a bios issue? |
| 04:02.31 | zu22 | markybob: you can lead em to water but you can't make em drink :P |
| 04:02.54 | predder | if they refuse you can drown them though :) |
| 04:02.55 | talexb | Got a dpkg-divert mismatch .. |
| 04:03.06 | markybob | mikess, depends. one thing you should check are your fans. make sure the machine isnt overheating...that usually causes restarts and freezing, etc. |
| 04:03.07 | zu22 | talexb: it has dependencies which you must address, so if you want to remove that package you may have to remove others as well which depend on it |
| 04:03.10 | talexb | This is a brand new installation .. which is kinda frustrating .. |
| 04:03.23 | Eitan | Hello? |
| 04:03.30 | talexb | zu22 .. OK, and what tool do I use to find the dependencies? Aptitude? |
| 04:03.31 | mikess | markybob: 48 celcius |
| 04:03.34 | zu22 | predder: hah |
| 04:03.46 | Eitan | Can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 04:03.58 | markybob | mikess, i dont have a clue what that is. and even if i knew celcius, it wouldnt tell me much without knowing what type of machine it is |
| 04:04.03 | zu22 | talexb: apt should tell you the dependencies, i don't use graphical front ends |
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| 04:04.39 | niru | good morning all |
| 04:05.10 | zu22 | Guerin: greets |
| 04:05.12 | talexb | zu22 Thanks, will try apt. |
| 04:05.25 | Guerin | zu22: sup, sheeeyi |
| 04:05.27 | Guerin | t |
| 04:05.39 | Guerin | you haven' |
| 04:05.46 | Guerin | t been arounf much, mr musashi |
| 04:06.32 | Rusty1 | Eitan: try apt-get -t stable upgrade |
| 04:06.34 | markybob | mikess, ok, i converted it and now know what it means :) that should be fine, so look somewhere else |
| 04:06.43 | markybob | mikess, run memtest86, for example |
| 04:07.08 | undesktop | Rusty1: what does that -t do? |
| 04:07.21 | mikess | ok |
| 04:07.24 | Eitan | Rusty1: Thanks. Another question: |
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| 04:07.56 | Eitan | I am using sarge... I had it switch to using xorg. How do I switch back to using xfree86? (or which one should I be using? |
| 04:07.58 | Eitan | ) |
| 04:07.59 | zu22 | Guerin: heh last i chatted with ya you were in Switzerland yes? |
| 04:08.11 | Rusty1 | the -t specifies the branch from which the packages wil be fetched |
| 04:08.45 | undesktop | Rusty1: ah... why didn't they just write that into the manpage |
| 04:08.46 | Eitan | Rusty1: how do I change the respositories file for apt-get? |
| 04:08.56 | markybob | Eitan, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:09.04 | markybob | Eitan, apt-setup |
| 04:09.23 | Eitan | markybob: thanks... |
| 04:09.48 | olsen | Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;) — Linus Torvalds |
| 04:09.53 | olsen | i love that quote :) |
| 04:10.12 | Eitan | So if I'm using sarge, should I be using xorg or xfree86? Currently I set it to use xorg, and it seems to be broken. How do I switch between using xorg and xfree86? |
| 04:10.35 | markybob | olsen, he's a great programmer, but sometimes he's an idiot :) what company would want their private stuff out for all the world to see? |
| 04:11.07 | olsen | markybob: i don't think he is an idiot, good companies? ;p |
| 04:11.21 | markybob | maybe in utopia. this is earth |
| 04:11.33 | stoned | everyone is an idiot |
| 04:11.41 | schme | me too! |
| 04:11.43 | talexb | Trying to remove kdebluetooth produces: 'subprocess post-removal script return error exit status 2' |
| 04:11.44 | stoned | only the magnitude of it varies |
| 04:11.59 | talexb | But I can't get rid of kdebluetooth. :( |
| 04:12.23 | undesktop | talexb: --force-all |
| 04:12.33 | Guerin | zu22: nah, never been to switzerland - i was in Korea |
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| 04:12.59 | undesktop | damn why did they put scripts into debs |
| 04:13.01 | talexb | undesktop, Thanks .. dpkg or apt-get? |
| 04:13.05 | undesktop | another borken design decision |
| 04:13.18 | undesktop | talexb: dpkg... I don#t know how to do it with apt-get |
| 04:13.20 | Eitan | Which window X is recommended for sarge, xorg or xfree86? |
| 04:13.30 | markybob | undesktop, because a *lot* of programs need post-inst things done to work as expected? there are a million reasons |
| 04:13.57 | talexb | undesktop, Hmph, same errors. :( |
| 04:14.03 | undesktop | markybob: and then these scripts fail |
| 04:14.10 | markybob | undesktop, are you using sid? |
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| 04:14.34 | olsen | Eitan: if xorg is available on sarge, go with that |
| 04:14.37 | undesktop | markybob: you mean me? |
| 04:14.39 | talexb | Still encountered errors .. |
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| 04:14.59 | markybob | undesktop, yes. wherever it is that you're encountering failed post-inst scripts? |
| 04:15.06 | undesktop | talexb: hm... only thing I could think of would be to edit the script |
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| 04:15.18 | Eitan | olsen: I switched to xorg on my sarge installation. Now the windowing system is broken and not working. How do I switch back to using xfree86? |
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| 04:15.24 | undesktop | markybob: yes I'm using unstable and it happens relatively often |
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| 04:15.53 | olsen | Eitan: what wm do you use? |
| 04:16.05 | markybob | undesktop, right. it's called 'unstable' for a reason. that doesnt make having scripts in debs a bad design decision. if you want stable, dont use unstable. not sure where the problem is here |
| 04:16.12 | Eitan | olsen: gdm? |
| 04:16.12 | olsen | Eitan: i don't know, remove xorg and install xfree86? |
| 04:16.30 | Eitan | olsen: ok... I'll give it a try. |
| 04:16.36 | olsen | Eitan: gnome should work fine on xorg, weird |
| 04:16.43 | talexb | undesktop, Thanks .. it's too late for me to be futzing around doing that. I wouldn't mind if this were an old crufty installation, but it's about a week old, and this was going to be my first major update. |
| 04:16.50 | olsen | Eitan: ok, good luck |
| 04:16.55 | undesktop | markybob: hm... I claim scripts are only necessary for system things |
| 04:16.56 | talexb | Bloody hell. |
| 04:17.11 | Eitan | olsen: yes... very wierd... my debian desktop is not working anymore... I'm stuck with command line until I can fix it. |
| 04:17.18 | markybob | undesktop, what does that even mean? installations are "system things" ? |
| 04:17.25 | olsen | Eitan: does X starts? |
| 04:17.29 | undesktop | talexb: oh well, I also don't know why they force one to execute these scripts |
| 04:17.32 | olsen | Eitan: when you launch with the X command |
| 04:17.48 | Eitan | olsen: X starts, but before it goes to the sign-in window... it exits and goes to the command prompt. |
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| 04:17.54 | undesktop | markybob: system packets... packets required to do system related things |
| 04:18.10 | predder | Eitan, there should be an error? |
| 04:18.12 | Eitan | olsen: all of this began after I installed all the "recommended" backports in synaptic. |
| 04:18.24 | olsen | Eitan: try putting "gnome-session" on your ~/.xinitrc and launch X with 'startx' |
| 04:18.25 | Eitan | predder: no error was displayed. |
| 04:18.36 | olsen | Eitan: oh |
| 04:18.38 | olsen | Eitan: i see |
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| 04:18.55 | talexb | undesktop, I don't care if it's a script or not -- I just want to it to either a) b) fail with some good diagnostisc. An error return 2 is meaningless except to the original developer. |
| 04:19.12 | talexb | Sorry, a) work, or b) fail .. |
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| 04:19.27 | undesktop | talexb: I agree, but you see: these scripts are just stupid bash scripts... so... *shrug* |
| 04:19.46 | talexb | undesktop, OK .. I can hack shell .. where are these fickin' scripts. |
| 04:19.48 | Eitan | olsen: I have to figure out either how to unbreak my windowing system, or simply remove all of the (stupid) backports and revert back to the previous unbackported and working setup. |
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| 04:20.03 | undesktop | talexb: the scripts are under /var/lib/dpkg/info/packetname.bla |
| 04:20.08 | markybob | talexb, download the source and look in the debian folder. then dpkg-buildpackage -b to create a package from the source |
| 04:20.11 | undesktop | where bla is postinst, preinst etc |
| 04:20.15 | Eitan | olsen: I'm going to go and try it now. I'll be back... |
| 04:20.21 | undesktop | talexb: I guess you could hack them |
| 04:20.30 | olsen | Eitan: ok, if you need something don't doubt to ask, good luck |
| 04:20.45 | P_Kable | How to make deb from KDE svn sources ??? |
| 04:20.49 | undesktop | wow 12000 files in /var/lib/dpkg/info definitely fun |
| 04:20.55 | markybob | P_Kable, you dont. |
| 04:21.00 | undesktop | P_Kable: better not |
| 04:21.00 | P_Kable | :( |
| 04:21.15 | talexb | markybob, I'd love to download the source, but aptitude is currently bunged up with all the updates that didn't happen beacuse of frickin' kdebluetooth. |
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| 04:22.45 | Rusty1 | talexb: try apt-get clean |
| 04:22.51 | markybob | heh |
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| 04:23.13 | Rusty1 | then apt-get --purge remove kdebluetooth |
| 04:23.16 | markybob | talexb, what error are you getting? sorry i didnt see your problem earlier |
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| 04:23.52 | talexb | Rusty1, OK .. that came back .. should I try purging kdebluetooth again? |
| 04:24.05 | Rusty1 | talexb: yup |
| 04:24.24 | talexb | markyboob, Thanks for helping out .. having problems with kdeblutetooth post install script. |
| 04:24.45 | markybob | talexb, right, but what does the error message *say*? saying there's a problem really doesnt help me help you any |
| 04:24.55 | talexb | Rusty1, good idea, but still getting an error from kdebluetooth. |
| 04:25.05 | talexb | The script doesn't have an exit 2 either .. |
| 04:26.00 | markybob | what error? |
| 04:26.18 | Rusty1 | talexb: hmm, just for grins, try apt-get -f install |
| 04:26.24 | antum1 | Hi, I can't find anybody talking on the Bind forums, just wondering if someone here knows a little about Bind? |
| 04:26.24 | talexb | dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to / when removing `diversion of /usr/bin/kdesktop-lock to /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock_nobt by kdebluetooth' |
| 04:26.46 | markybob | antum1, try #bind |
| 04:27.00 | markybob | !ask |
| 04:27.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 04:27.09 | antum1 | markybob yep I'm in there, but no one else seems to be |
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| 04:27.20 | markybob | antum1, oh, you meant channel, not forum. i see :) what's your question? |
| 04:27.21 | talexb | .. found `diversion of /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock to /usr/bin/kdesktop_lock.orig by kdelock-knoppix' |
| 04:27.47 | markybob | talexb, try this for the hell of it. dpkg --configure -a && dpkg --purge kdebluetooth |
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| 04:28.10 | talexb | Rusty1, Tried apt-get -f install .. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 940 not upgraded. |
| 04:28.22 | antum1 | I am setting up a mail server on debian, I am using pingability.com to check the bind records, and I get the error: No MX records for 'antbrown.com', using its A record(s). |
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| 04:28.29 | Rusty1 | talexb: is this a knoppix hd install? |
| 04:28.51 | antum1 | I have tried to look through example bind configuration files, and think I have got it right, but I keep getting the warning |
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| 04:29.09 | ctrler | hi, im trying to install an ups, but i cant find the usb port where it is conected to, how can i find that? |
| 04:29.09 | markybob | antum1, use some paste site to past your bind config for me to look at |
| 04:29.17 | antum1 | markybob, sure thing. |
| 04:29.21 | talexb | markybob, Thanks for the suggestion .. but got the same error. |
| 04:29.34 | talexb | Rusty1, yes, Knoppix HD install. |
| 04:29.58 | antum1 | markybob http://pastebin.ca/362981 |
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| 04:30.39 | markybob | antum1, you dont have a single mx entry in there |
| 04:31.01 | antum1 | markybob, any chance you could tell me what an MX entry looks like then? |
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| 04:31.21 | ctrler | markybob: cant you give me a hand? |
| 04:31.22 | markybob | antum1, sure. tech-recipes.com. mx 10 mx1.tech-recipes.com. |
| 04:31.32 | Rusty1 | talexb: knoppix is not a good way to install debian to hd, your case in point |
| 04:31.41 | bleanna_unux | quick question. i have a 320 gb drive and it seems i only get 298 GB out of it, does that seem correct? |
| 04:31.41 | markybob | ctrler, what's the question? |
| 04:31.49 | ctrler | hi, im trying to install an ups, but i cant find the usb port where it is conected to, how can i find that? |
| 04:31.51 | markybob | bleanna_unux, yes. |
| 04:32.07 | antum1 | markybob, isn't the second line from the bottom an MX entry? and if not, why not? |
| 04:32.15 | ctrler | markybob: i know its something like /dev/usbsomething... |
| 04:32.18 | talexb | Rusty1, Thanks, I guess I'm getting that. |
| 04:32.46 | ctrler | usb 2-1: new low speed USB device using address 2 |
| 04:32.46 | talexb | I'm interesting in setting up a PVR, and read that the way to do that is to install Knoppix, then KnoppMyth on top of that. |
| 04:32.55 | talexb | It's turning into a featuer length nightmare. |
| 04:32.57 | markybob | antum1, ah, i didnt see that. usually mx entries are at the top. yes, it's correct |
| 04:33.07 | markybob | antum1, except... |
| 04:33.13 | markybob | antum1, make it look like this: |
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| 04:33.20 | markybob | antbrown.com. IN MX 10 mail.antbrown.com. |
| 04:33.33 | antum1 | markybob, ok thanks I'll try that |
| 04:33.34 | markybob | antum1, notice the '.' after the first '.com' |
| 04:33.36 | bleanna_unux | markybob: thank you. but my bro is asking why only 298 out of 320 is used. u would think it would be at least 300 GB. |
| 04:33.41 | stoned | whoah |
| 04:33.46 | stoned | I just read that as abrotman.com |
| 04:33.47 | Rusty1 | talexb: either get debian itself or get ubuntu, kanotix etc. live cd and use their installer |
| 04:33.47 | muhoo | big, huge trouble. nothing is installable anymore on a sarge system, because of this: http://pastebin.com/884136 |
| 04:33.47 | stoned | haha |
| 04:34.46 | muhoo | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 is broken??! |
| 04:34.47 | peterS | bleanna_unux: when the vendor says "320 GB" they mean 320000000000 bytes. if you divide that by 1024 three times, you get 298 |
| 04:34.57 | muhoo | that would be.... bad. |
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| 04:35.11 | markybob | peterS, thank you. getting a bit overwhelmed here :) |
| 04:35.22 | antum1 | markybob, fantastic, that fixed that problem, now just a few more to go :) I'll come back if I get stuck again. Thanks for your help though, I really appreciate it |
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| 04:35.31 | markybob | antum1, no worries. good luck |
| 04:35.32 | Rusty1 | mue: No space left on device? |
| 04:35.37 | AussieHatter | muhoo: it says disk space doesnt it ? |
| 04:35.44 | peterS | bleanna_unux: 298 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 is 319975063552, so they call it "320 GB", which I think is a bit dishonest, but it's what _all_ hard drive vendors do |
| 04:35.46 | talexb | Rusty1, I think Ubunbtu is my next stop. Thanks for your time, I really appreciate it. |
| 04:36.13 | muhoo | AussieHatter: ah, thanks |
| 04:36.42 | bleanna_unux | peterS: thanks. makes sense now. We both bought the same drive and knew it would not be 320 but thought it would be @ least 300 GB |
| 04:36.51 | peterS | heh. almost 300. |
| 04:37.18 | peterS | this is the same folly that makes people label 1440 kB floppy disks as "1.44 MB" |
| 04:37.38 | peterS | (a true 1.44 MB would be about 1475 kB) |
| 04:38.20 | peterS | though I suppose that's a poor example since it _is_ in fact possible to format standard 1440 kB floppies for a lot more than 1440 kB |
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| 04:39.09 | dondelelcaro | it's the subtle difference between gigabyte and gibibyte |
| 04:39.22 | terr | IF there is a python programmer here (familiar with perhaps IDLE) I'd like to know how to list a program I created interactively... I get the entire log of the session. Code is embedded... I want to separate the code and save it. |
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| 04:39.54 | dondelelcaro | terr: #python is probably the best place to ask |
| 04:40.23 | terr | dondelelcaro: I'm trying on irc.debian.org but there was no one there a short while ago. |
| 04:40.33 | dondelelcaro | terr: yeah, on freenode there are 328 people |
| 04:40.41 | terr | dondelelcaro: I can't join the chennel here. |
| 04:40.47 | markybob | terr, register your nick |
| 04:40.50 | markybob | terr, then you will |
| 04:41.08 | muhoo | duh, a backup drive that was supposed to get mounted as part of a backup script, didn't get mounted, so backups were getting dumped into / fs. doh! |
| 04:41.23 | terr | markybob: had it registered... gonzo. Its bitching about my ident now... |
| 04:41.29 | markybob | muhoo, you should fire the guy who didnt test the backup script :) |
| 04:41.39 | muhoo | markybob: i do that often :-) |
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| 04:42.43 | terr | markybob: there is some issue with the ident deamon due to my firewall. I wrote a dummy some time ago (few years) and have forgotten how and even where the code is. |
| 04:43.09 | markybob | terr, got another box you could ssh into and irc from? |
| 04:43.38 | AussieHatter | markybob: text based irc ? |
| 04:43.43 | terr | markybob: probably! probably forgot my user id and passwords tho... Ihave a few boxen! |
| 04:43.45 | dondelelcaro | terr: you don't need identd to register a nick... |
| 04:43.46 | markybob | AussieHatter, yeah. what's wrong with that? |
| 04:44.07 | AussieHatter | markybob: don't know haven't tried it, what is the name of the client ? |
| 04:44.08 | terr | dondelelcaro: come to think of it - my proper ID is not used on that box I'm thinking of... |
| 04:44.11 | markybob | AussieHatter, i kinda like bitchx, myself :) |
| 04:44.23 | AussieHatter | markybob: are u on it now ? |
| 04:44.36 | markybob | AussieHatter, no. i'm currently in x. but i use it regularly when not in x |
| 04:44.39 | terr | dondelelcaro: I had the user id and password registered before. probably didn't use it often enough. |
| 04:44.51 | AussieHatter | markybob: cool, i will check it out, it has colours ? |
| 04:44.59 | markybob | AussieHatter, yes |
| 04:45.39 | AussieHatter | markybob: nice, i will remember that, thx |
| 04:46.33 | terr_ | there we go. |
| 04:46.53 | terr_ | nic is still registered!!! I dunno why it wouldn't accept the password. |
| 04:48.13 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: thanx for your help. I'm in now. |
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| 04:53.39 | antum1 | I'm connecting to my mail server on debian using telnet domain.com 25 and issuing the MAIL FROM:<email> command. However it takes about a minute to respond, do you know why it could be going so slow? |
| 04:54.14 | peterS | first of all, you're supposed to wait for it to respond with the banner _before_ you send it any SMTP commands |
| 04:54.26 | peterS | second, you are required to give a HELO or EHLO before any other SMTP commands |
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| 04:55.21 | peterS | now why it would take some time to fork off a daemon to talk SMTP to you, I suppose that depends on your mail server configuration |
| 04:55.29 | resistance | hey, i have a debian router as a gateway, internal address 10.0.0.1, but i would like to use different subnets for my lan, like 10.0.1.X, how do i setup the routing for this? |
| 04:55.34 | antum1 | peterS I should've mentioned I've already done HELO domain.com |
| 04:56.09 | peterS | my own smtp server responds instantly with the banner when I 'telnet localhost smtp'. so it's not a general debian problem. I'm running postfix, for what it's worth |
| 04:56.17 | kontar | don't know what i had done but i cannot send/receive mail with Evolution anymore. The 'Send/Receive' icon is blur. The modem link is ok cos I can still surf the web. |
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| 04:56.32 | kontar | any suggestion? |
| 04:57.19 | antum1 | peterS yes mine runs postfix too, and all responses are very quick except for the MAIL FROM:<email> command, and then it looks like the RCPT TO:<email> is just going to hang forever |
| 04:58.11 | jstevens | Can anyone recall the name of the HP tool to manage HP inkjets? It will do alignments, cleaning, etc on their older printers... |
| 04:58.14 | peterS | I suppose it depends, then, on the SMTP-time anti-spam checks you have in place. maybe you are using spamassassin or something? |
| 04:58.45 | antum1 | I don't have any spam tools installed yet, its a very fresh system (configured 30 mins ago) |
| 04:58.51 | peterS | jstevens: possibly hpijs ships with such tools? |
| 05:00.38 | jstevens | I've done a dpkg -L of hpijs. It's in some other package. I just can't recall... |
| 05:01.26 | peterS | jstevens: 'hplip' looks promising. I don't have an inkjet printer so I have no direct interest in installing it, though |
| 05:01.47 | Rusty1 | jstevens: hplip maybe |
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| 05:04.36 | Rusty1 | jstevens: i have hplip installed and it does have cleaning, alignment tho i havent used em on my 1210 |
| 05:05.57 | jstevens | Yeah, it looks like hplip is what I'm looking for. |
| 05:10.13 | Guerin | hm, will an old p120 be able to boot from a 30G drive? |
| 05:10.24 | Guerin | it detects the size as 8G |
| 05:11.55 | peterS | Guerin: so long as you put the boot code in the first 8 GB somewhere, it should boot fine |
| 05:12.04 | Guerin | cool |
| 05:12.25 | Guerin | that means I can ditch this 1275MB drive of unknown provenance ;) |
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| 05:13.53 | Rusty1 | Guerin: put it on the bus and save for a rainy day |
| 05:14.47 | mue | Rusty1, why? |
| 05:15.12 | Guerin | Rusty1: i'll just leave it off the bus and save it for a rainy day |
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| 05:15.58 | mue | Rusty1, i mean my hdd space... |
| 05:17.07 | Rusty1 | if you don't have anything else to and you got he room, could be a disk to test distros or something |
| 05:17.33 | Rusty1 | grub won't mind |
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| 05:20.40 | Rusty1 | tab completion is almost a wonderful thing :-) |
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| 05:26.16 | eitan_ | olsen: are you still there? |
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| 05:28.08 | eitan_ | I messed up some configuration related to my x standard greeter. Now it keeps crashing before the login window appears. Strangely the graphical gnome greeter works. I think that the standard greeter may be trying to use xorg when xorg has not been installed. How do I configure xserver for the standard greeter? |
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| 05:34.44 | eitan_ | Don't everybody all help me at once! |
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| 05:38.33 | ifup | does anyone know how I can get apache2 to execute .pl scripts run from any directory? |
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| 05:40.21 | sur3857 | eitan_: dpkg-reconfigure xdm package maybe? |
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| 05:41.57 | Guerin | ifup: that's not what you want |
| 05:42.22 | Guerin | ifup: but #apache can probably give you the bullets to load that particular foot-gun with |
| 05:42.53 | ifup | Guerin, its on a private network, Thanks! |
| 05:42.56 | dondelelcaro | ifup: you just use AddHandler to associate cgi-script with .pl files, but that's generally not what you want. |
| 05:43.13 | eitan_ | sur3857: I don't have xdm installed. I tried reconfiguring gdm, but that didn't do anything. |
| 05:43.26 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: doesn't apache restrict execution to certain dirs by default? |
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| 05:44.15 | eitan_ | sur3857: It all happened after I installed all the backports available for sarge. The standard greeter keeps crashing, and eventually x allows me to use the graphical greeter. |
| 05:44.20 | AussieHatter | do you think if i mount a usb drive which is attached to a windows box and copy data to it with mount smbfs it will use any resources on the windows box ? |
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| 05:44.49 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it does, but if you set AddHandler cgi-script .pl for /, then it's on for all of them. |
| 05:44.59 | Guerin | ah |
| 05:45.03 | DrDetroit | hey all debian debbies |
| 05:45.12 | eitan_ | sur3857: During the configuration after installing the backports, one question I was asked was wheter I was using xfree86 or xorg. I said xorg, and I was mistaken. Now the greeter doesn't seem to work. I feel like a fool. |
| 05:45.13 | ifup | dondelelcaro, I tried that also and get prompted in the browser to open them |
| 05:45.33 | dondelelcaro | ifup: and restarted? and they're executable? |
| 05:45.51 | DrDetroit | eitan - do it up in a music video |
| 05:46.07 | DrDetroit | have some backup chorus 'I feel like a fool' and show the footage of the boot screens etc |
| 05:46.31 | ifup | I run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload and chmod and chown also to www-data |
| 05:46.43 | DrDetroit | chorus bridge could be 3 gals 'shouldnt'a shouldn'ta shouldn'ta installed today... today...' |
| 05:46.52 | AussieHatter | then send it to weird al and see if he wants to do a rendition |
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| 05:47.00 | ifup | I will as over at apache and see what they say Thanks |
| 05:47.03 | DrDetroit | same line there aussiehatter |
| 05:47.04 | dondelelcaro | they don't need to be owned by www-data, they just need to be executable, and cgi-script needs to be the handler. |
| 05:47.17 | eitan_ | DrDetroit: It's only to make fun of me if you are willing to help out afterward. |
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| 05:47.32 | DrDetroit | also known tunes "I'm gonna tripwire ya tonight baby" |
| 05:47.40 | DrDetroit | and favorites such as. heh jk |
| 05:48.23 | ifup | on my handler I added AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl |
| 05:48.24 | dondelelcaro | ifup: for which directory? |
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| 05:48.37 | DrDetroit | it is peculiar that you actually utilize acid after utlizing snort |
| 05:48.46 | eitan_ | My greeter in x is crashing. I cannot login with the standard greeter in x. Only the gnome greeter works. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 05:49.22 | DrDetroit | get some 3-d cube flyin' atcha for your login |
| 05:49.46 | DrDetroit | I bet that's possible with that beryl |
| 05:49.54 | ifup | acutally I put it in apache2.conf |
| 05:49.58 | DrDetroit | cough- glass like - |
| 05:50.27 | DrDetroit | without that dev price tag of cough aero |
| 05:51.02 | dondelelcaro | just randomly putting it in apache2.conf won't do anything |
| 05:51.15 | dondelelcaro | since stanzas only affect particular directories |
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| 05:52.59 | ifup | dondelelcaro, well I took it out and put it in the conf file in the virtual site also. still same |
| 05:53.49 | eitan_ | What is the name of the standard X greeter program in debian? |
| 05:54.07 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: there really isn't a standard; xdm, gdm, and kdm are common ones. |
| 05:54.34 | dondelelcaro | ifup: and you've restarted your browser? |
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| 05:55.23 | ifup | dondelelcaro, not the browser |
| 05:55.44 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: I'm talking about the x-windows looking interface that asks you for your username and password. (Not the gnome greeter... the x-windows looking greeter.) |
| 05:56.04 | dondelelcaro | ifup: well, try that next; alternatively, use GET foourl; or wget -O - foourl; |
| 05:56.25 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: heh. There's no such thing as an "x-windows looking" interface, but you probably mean xdm. |
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| 05:56.45 | dondelelcaro | http://www.ellak.gr/pub/OpenGuides/Debian/pics/chap07/xdm.png FE |
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| 05:57.34 | sur3857 | eitan_: the "standard greeter" is gdm greeter without themes, maybe your gdm.conf is wrong, check if you hava a backup. |
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| 05:59.53 | chronographer | hi all, im doing a dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg and want to know which video driver to use with my geforce |
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| 06:00.22 | Gnea | chronographer: just a basic driver? nv |
| 06:00.27 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: If what you're saying is true, then I've been using the xdm greeter, but xdm was never installed. |
| 06:00.36 | chronographer | yep cover all bases, nv is the one? |
| 06:00.48 | chronographer | i will install gl support later |
| 06:00.55 | Gnea | yeah, nv |
| 06:01.05 | chronographer | 'thx a bunch =) |
| 06:01.06 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: I've no idea what you've been using; the picture I gave you above is a screenshot of xdm. |
| 06:01.08 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:01.22 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 06:01.34 | dondelelcaro | mm. piraat. |
| 06:01.43 | Gnea | da! |
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| 06:02.01 | eitan_ | sur3857: ok... thanks... I'll check on that. |
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| 06:08.23 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: I don't know what you mean when you say you gave me a screenshot. Anyway, how do I configure gdm? |
| 06:08.26 | chronographer | hi again, what is the command for the prog which makes it easy to change screen position in xorg.conf |
| 06:09.07 | chronographer | nvm |
| 06:09.11 | chronographer | xvidtune! |
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| 06:09.52 | scx | eitan_L to configure gdm: apt-get remove gdm && apt-get install kdm |
| 06:10.08 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: http://www.ellak.gr/pub/OpenGuides/Debian/pics/chap07/xdm.png <--- this is xdm. |
| 06:10.14 | LeFallen | eitan_: There's always slim too - that's cool ;) |
| 06:10.19 | scx | apt-get remove gnome may help too |
| 06:11.33 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: Ok... I don't have xdm. I guess gdm. But gdm has been crashing... after crashing many times I get this message: |
| 06:12.00 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: Display Server has been shutdown 6 times in 90 seconds... |
| 06:12.03 | LeFallen | Don't you love it how when you ask for help with package A, people respond with install package B. |
| 06:12.12 | jZe1 | when I try to ifup wlan0 on my etch netgear usb wifi, I get "wlanctl-ng: Operation not supported" ... how should I troubleshoot? |
| 06:12.15 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: Then it goes to the console. |
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| 06:13.18 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: that means that your X configuration is incorrect; doesn't really have anything to do with gdm. |
| 06:13.29 | dondelelcaro | scx: stop being useless, pleasse. |
| 06:14.19 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: ok... so how do I fix that? I figured out that it's been gdmlogin that's been crashing, where gdmgreeter works properly. How do I fix gdmlogin so that it doesn't crash gdm? |
| 06:14.32 | scx | srry, it's the flammer I have within |
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| 06:16.25 | sec | hi people :) |
| 06:17.21 | predder | !beer sec |
| 06:17.24 | sec | somebody knows how to do that my sendmail server listen out of my localhost? I need to connect from internet to my computer server with sendmail |
| 06:17.42 | sec | but if I type "netstat -an | grep 25" ... |
| 06:17.47 | croddy | i'm having some odd font rendering problems in iceweasel on my new etch install. a letter following the letter combinations "ff", "fi", or "fl" overlaps the preceding letter. i am pretty sure this has do do with automated rendering of ff, fi, and fl ligatures, but i'm not sure where to look in the BTS to see if this has been reported (or if it is because i brought over my old iceweasel profile from the old install). any ideas? |
| 06:17.55 | sec | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 06:18.03 | sec | localhost :( |
| 06:18.19 | sec | I need with my public ip |
| 06:18.21 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: the message that it's giving you is that the X server crashed, not that gdmlogin is crashing; does the greeter display at all? |
| 06:18.29 | dondelelcaro | sec: which mailserver? |
| 06:18.29 | sec | why don't works fine? |
| 06:18.31 | tydelCA | sec: configure it to do so |
| 06:18.43 | sec | dondelelcaro, I use sendmail |
| 06:18.49 | sec | tydelCA, where? |
| 06:19.05 | tydelCA | locate sendmail.cf |
| 06:19.31 | sec | ok |
| 06:19.39 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: After installing available backports the problem started. I think it's because I had mistakenly chosen using xorg during one of the configuration questions. |
| 06:20.00 | sec | tydelCA, what I should to search in my sendmail.cf? |
| 06:20.17 | tydelCA | I haven't touched sendmail in years |
| 06:20.21 | dondelelcaro | sec: it's /etc/mail/sendmail.mc; and you need to configure it to bind 0.0.0.0 with something like DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Family=inet, Name=MTA-v4, Port=smtp') |
| 06:20.22 | tydelCA | because I'm allergic to it |
| 06:20.30 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: The crosshatch screen comes up with the spinning "loading" pointer... and before it normally goes to the screen where you can login, it crashes... the screen flickers and it tries again. |
| 06:20.50 | sec | ok dondelelcaro :) |
| 06:20.51 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: do you see the greeter part where it asks you to start logging in? |
| 06:21.23 | scx | anyone knows how to make emacs to open in console by default instead of X ? I tried an alias to -nw but I wander if there's an 'emacs' way |
| 06:21.26 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: it does this 6 times before it gives up and goes to the console. One of these times, though it let me switch to the gdmgreeter which is more "graphical." That worked perfectly. I don't know why my old gdmlogin program doesn't work anymore. |
| 06:21.56 | dondelelcaro | sec: alternatively, dpkg-reconfigure sendmail; and change the options so that it listends on all interfaces. |
| 06:22.04 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: No... it's about to display the login window, but then it crashes.... it only goes to the X looking screen and shows the spinning "loading" logo. |
| 06:22.22 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: ah, ok. then it's not X at all, but gdmlogin itself. |
| 06:22.38 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: as far as why it's crashing, you'll have to look at /var/log/gdm.log or wherever it's logging information to. |
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| 06:22.49 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: ok... let me check that... |
| 06:23.00 | sec | dondelelcaro, dpkg-reconfigure sendmail don't work |
| 06:23.09 | sec | don't show me any message |
| 06:24.16 | dondelelcaro | sec: ah, ok... well, then just edit /etc/mail/sendmail.conf and follow the directions therein |
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| 06:25.32 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: I can't find any relevant logs. |
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| 06:26.40 | dondelelcaro | eitan_: hrm; well, I'd try reinstalling gdm then |
| 06:26.50 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: Ok... I'll do that now. |
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| 06:29.54 | eitan_ | dondelelcaro: Ok... I'll try to logout and login again and see what happens. I may be back. Thanks again. |
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| 06:36.26 | Krazy-J | is there a backup program already installed on debian sarge? 3.1 |
| 06:36.30 | Krazy-J | or what is the recommended? |
| 06:36.57 | Krazy-J | possibly with the ability to do incrementle backups on a set date/time (reoccurance) |
| 06:37.04 | Gnea | Krazy-J: depends how, what and where you want to do backups |
| 06:37.33 | Gnea | Krazy-J: localized or remotely? |
| 06:38.08 | eitan | dondelelcaro: It works! It works! Thank you thank you thank you! |
| 06:38.58 | Krazy-J | Well, local I can then have a script to automaticly ftp into the box and download once a week / fortnight |
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| 06:39.06 | Krazy-J | pretty much a complete system backup |
| 06:39.14 | Krazy-J | so I could easily restore it at a later date |
| 06:39.46 | Gnea | Krazy-J: rsync can do all of that, although you may want to write a custom script to take care of it all the way you want it done |
| 06:40.12 | Krazy-J | yeah thats fine, I can do that.. |
| 06:40.14 | Krazy-J | so resnyc |
| 06:40.15 | Krazy-J | hm |
| 06:40.16 | hark | !rsync backup |
| 06:40.16 | dpkg | www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 06:40.27 | Gnea | rsync |
| 06:40.38 | eitan | Bye all! |
| 06:40.41 | Krazy-J | should be in the apt-get? |
| 06:40.55 | Gnea | yup |
| 06:41.18 | Krazy-J | Selecting previously deselected package rsync. |
| 06:41.18 | Krazy-J | (Reading database ... 24438 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 06:41.18 | Krazy-J | Unpacking rsync (from .../rsync_2.6.4-6_amd64.deb) ... |
| 06:41.18 | Krazy-J | Setting up rsync (2.6.4-6) ... |
| 06:41.19 | Krazy-J | rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
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| 06:41.22 | Krazy-J | hmm |
| 06:41.28 | Krazy-J | [17:40:59] <Krazy-J> Setting up rsync (2.6.4-6) ... |
| 06:41.29 | Krazy-J | [17:40:59] <Krazy-J> rsync daemon not enabled in /etc/default/rsync |
| 06:41.31 | Krazy-J | :S |
| 06:41.39 | Gnea | Krazy-J: please don't paste in channel more than 2 lines |
| 06:41.47 | Krazy-J | Appoglises |
| 06:41.56 | Gnea | that's just for the daemon |
| 06:42.20 | Gnea | !rsync |
| 06:42.20 | dpkg | i guess rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 06:42.27 | Krazy-J | /etc/init.d/rsnyc start |
| 06:42.30 | Krazy-J | should do it aye |
| 06:42.48 | Gnea | you should really read about how it works before assuming that a daemon will handle it all, which it won't :) |
| 06:43.01 | hark | Krazy-J: read the backup link above.. should explain it all for you |
| 06:43.12 | hark | or /usr/share/doc/rsync/ |
| 06:43.17 | Gnea | Krazy-J: the nice thing about rsync is that you can use it with ssh |
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| 06:45.28 | Cowboy | sec: you set wrt sendmail ? |
| 06:46.01 | sur3857 | Krazy-j: also notice, when a client rsync works with a daemon rsync speedups are incredible only transfers diffs of files |
| 06:46.31 | enouf | rdiff? |
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| 06:48.34 | enouf | Krazy-J: check out mondorescue.org and backuppc.sf.net .. both are in Debian |
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| 06:53.55 | xixor | Good evening everybod, quick question. How do I tell startx which window manager to start? For example, I do not have a .xinitrc file, and startx launches xfce4, thanks |
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| 07:02.25 | Krazy-J | hmm |
| 07:02.46 | Krazy-J | anyone know how to set it up so that it'll do an incremental backup? |
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| 07:02.51 | Krazy-J | rsync -avP -e ssh /home/* /backups |
| 07:02.57 | Krazy-J | is what I have at the moment |
| 07:03.07 | Gnea | incremental? |
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| 07:03.11 | Gnea | could you elaborate? |
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| 07:04.03 | Krazy-J | it'll backup files that are different in size, date modified from the previous backup |
| 07:04.20 | Gnea | right.... |
| 07:04.23 | Krazy-J | so if a.txt is 1kb at the first backup, but is now 1.5kb it'll back it up and replacei t from the /backup folder |
| 07:04.32 | Krazy-J | but if they are the same size, it wont back it up |
| 07:04.33 | Gnea | that's actually an option with rsnyc, so man rsync to find it |
| 07:04.35 | Krazy-J | it'll skip the file |
| 07:04.53 | Gnea | exactly. rsync supports that natively. |
| 07:05.01 | Gnea | you just have to tell it to do it :) |
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| 07:06.00 | Krazy-J | would that be the -u paramter? |
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| 07:06.48 | Gnea | what does the manpage say? |
| 07:09.10 | Gnea | Krazy-J: there's a few ways you can go about it actually - you can do it based off of timestamp and filesize or based off of md5sum |
| 07:09.30 | Gnea | md5sum will probably be slower with larger files |
| 07:09.51 | Krazy-J | just curious |
| 07:10.01 | Krazy-J | see the following script on this page... http://rsync.samba.org/examples.html |
| 07:10.05 | Krazy-J | the first exmaple |
| 07:10.13 | Krazy-J | how would i implment that into a cronb? |
| 07:10.15 | Krazy-J | cron? |
| 07:10.36 | Krazy-J | like what format would that script be stored in |
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| 07:12.18 | Gnea | for a weekly? hrm |
| 07:13.06 | Krazy-J | yeah |
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| 07:13.54 | Roey | anyone here use Gnuplot? I have a file with two columns which I would like to plot one against the other. What's the syntax for this? |
| 07:13.54 | jZe1 | ifup wlan0 gives wlanctl-ng: Operation not supported ... what should I try next? (netgear usb wifi, tried with acx and with ndiswrapper, lsusb shows it) |
| 07:15.08 | Guerin | jZe1: go out and buy a decent wifi card |
| 07:15.35 | jZe1 | such as? |
| 07:16.10 | Guerin | jZe1: do a quick cost-benefit analysis - if a rt2500 will cost you $40, and you pay yourself $10/hour, then you should be spending no more than 2 hours on this before going out to buy one |
| 07:16.25 | Guerin | unless you realistically think you'll finish within another 2 hours |
| 07:16.35 | Guerin | on the other hand, if time isn't money ... |
| 07:18.08 | jelly-home | ... then you're being paid too low |
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| 07:18.24 | Guerin | yeh, well, picking a random number |
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| 07:21.51 | jZe1 | I have a RTL8187L chipset, it's been reported to work |
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| 07:31.12 | Gnea | jZe1: what's the exact make/model of the card? |
| 07:32.06 | jZe1 | netgear wg111v2 usb dongle with (RTL8187L chipset, AFAIK) |
| 07:32.15 | Gokee2 | When I run apt-get update I get the msg "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:B5D0C804ADB11277" How do I fix this? I just did "gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907" "gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -" to debian-multimedia.org one |
| 07:32.22 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:32.44 | Gnea | !tell Gokee2 about 2006 key |
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| 07:33.27 | Gnea | Gokee2: i think the multimedia site has its own key - you'll need to download it from their site and add it to your keyring |
| 07:33.31 | jZe1 | from Realtek |
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| 07:35.33 | guru | what is the easiest way to split a large video file into smaller independant files? |
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| 07:36.44 | Gnea | jZe1: what's the usb id? |
| 07:36.53 | mackss | can someone remind me how to sync my time again? |
| 07:36.58 | jZe1 | 0846:6a00 |
| 07:37.07 | Gnea | mackss: ntpdate |
| 07:37.39 | mackss | Gnea, ntpdate: command not found |
| 07:37.44 | Gnea | mackss: install it |
| 07:38.07 | Gnea | jZe1: make sure you have the correct driver - have you checked out http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#N ? |
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| 07:38.19 | Gnea | jZe1: it's at the bottom of the list and it tells you the precise info that you'll need |
| 07:38.34 | Gnea | #20 |
| 07:38.34 | Gokee2 | Gnea, I just followed the directions on the multimedia site (fixed a bunch of the error msg) and now I also folowed the direction that dpkg gave me |
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| 07:38.55 | Gokee2 | Still has the same error :( |
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| 07:40.03 | undesktop | I'm looking for a good ICQ client which is != Gaim |
| 07:40.07 | Gnea | Gokee2: works fine here... been awhile since i did the key addition tho |
| 07:40.29 | Gnea | tell me you're female ;) |
| 07:40.32 | Gokee2 | Gnea, I have tried the key thingy a few times, it never works for me |
| 07:40.34 | Gnea | !beer mackss |
| 07:40.43 | jZe1 | I've been using that page, thanks Gnea, I'll try it again |
| 07:42.02 | Gnea | Gokee2: did you read and follow the FAQ on the site? |
| 07:43.42 | Gokee2 | Gnea, on debian-mutimedia? Yes and a another error msg that talked about debian-mutimedia went away |
| 07:44.12 | Gnea | Gokee2: ok. any error messages around still? |
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| 07:46.32 | Gokee2 | Gnea, Ya the one I said a few min ago (I did the debian-multi thing just before I asked about the other) the error is "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:B5D0C804ADB11277" |
| 07:46.54 | Gnea | Gokee2: ok, which method from the FAQ are you using? |
| 07:46.58 | Gokee2 | And it says I should run apt-get update to correct it.... But that does not work |
| 07:47.55 | jZe1 | I got the .cab from the CD, used cabextract, got the net111v2.inf file, ran ndiswrapper on it, ndiswrapper -l shows it, the sourceforge list page tells me that should work, I still get wlan-ng Operation not supported |
| 07:48.01 | Gokee2 | Gnea, I used the apt-get with sudo "gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -" |
| 07:48.21 | Gnea | jZe1: did you get the .sys file too? |
| 07:48.34 | hark | obnauticus: that's not the dm key.. |
| 07:48.42 | jZe1 | yes |
| 07:48.46 | Gnea | Gokee2: try downloading the actual public key file and import it |
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| 07:49.23 | jZe1 | do I include the .sys file in the ndiswrapper -i (or just do it in the same dir)? |
| 07:49.42 | Gnea | the ndiswrapper howto should explain the entire process for that |
| 07:50.01 | jZe1 | well, then that's what I did :-) |
| 07:50.07 | Gokee2 | Gnea, I though the multimedia key worked and the one thats failing now it a diffrent one? |
| 07:50.15 | jZe1 | I followed everything I could read on the ndiswrapper pages |
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| 07:50.52 | Gnea | Gokee2: you need to make sure that you're using only *1* key for that site - so whichever is the last key that you imported will be the key that it's using |
| 07:51.28 | Gnea | jZe1: ok, what method are you using for detection now? just popping the card out and plugging it back in? |
| 07:52.03 | jZe1 | not sure what you mean, I try lsusb, and iwconfig |
| 07:52.31 | antum1 | what are the advantages of buying an SSL certificate over generating one yourself? also can the same one be used for websites as for mail? |
| 07:53.26 | hark | Gokee2: running etch? |
| 07:53.42 | Gnea | antum1: purchased SSL certificates are required in a business environment where one is in an insured business environment |
| 07:53.46 | tabris|away | antum1: generating one yourself requires that the people using your service must accept your cert. if you buy one, then [usually] they won't be asked. |
| 07:54.03 | Gokee2 | hark, testing... (I can never remember the other names :0 |
| 07:54.04 | tabris|away | antum1: thus if you do it for family only, or friends only, go cheap. if not... you'll have to pay the bastards |
| 07:54.18 | antum1 | ok, where do I buy one that should be accepted by most email clients and browsers? |
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| 07:54.31 | Gnea | antum1: basically if you setup a webpage as a store-front and if you have your tax id and all of that crap, you should purchase your own SSL certificate to make sure the site is setup accordingly with established business regulations |
| 07:54.32 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:54.33 | hark | Gokee2: install debian-archive-keyring. That's all |
| 07:54.35 | antum1 | also are they harder to install than when it is generated by myself? |
| 07:54.45 | Gnea | antum1: godaddy sells them |
| 07:55.16 | Gokee2 | hark, "debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version." |
| 07:55.23 | jZe1 | ndiswrapper -l shows "net111v2 driver installed, hardware(0846:6A00) present |
| 07:55.28 | hark | Gokee2: then check your sources.list |
| 07:55.29 | antum1 | Gea, tabris|away thanks for your help, do you know if they can be used for both mail and web? |
| 07:55.36 | Gnea | antum1: an ssl certificate is an ssl certificate - the only difference is that a purchased certificate is recognized globally and puts more responbility on you to ensure that the content of the site is safe |
| 07:55.59 | Gokee2 | Gnea, What about my sources list? |
| 07:56.07 | Gnea | antum1: i'm not sure about that... |
| 07:56.12 | antum1 | Gnea sorry I spelt your name wrong. Thanks for your help! I'll go see if GoDaddy can help me |
| 07:56.17 | Gokee2 | hark* |
| 07:56.27 | Gnea | Gokee2: i'm really at a loss at this point :( |
| 07:56.39 | tabris|away | antum1: email certs are usually diff from server certs. |
| 07:57.01 | hark | Gokee2: pastebin them |
| 07:57.04 | Gnea | antum1: it depends how you use the email server |
| 07:57.08 | tabris|away | antum1: however, if you ask if you can use teh same cert for a mailserver and webserver, you can [except for the fact that the names will probably be diff] |
| 07:57.11 | antum1 | tabris|away oh, ok thanks, |
| 07:58.24 | Gokee2 | hark, ok its at http://pastebin.com/884199 |
| 07:58.30 | Gnea | antum1: i wouldn't bother purchasing an ssl cert for an email server unless a) i make sure that the IP is not on any spam blocker lists (or as little as humanly possible), b) i have a solid and secure spam filter system in place to check both inbound and outbound email, c) i can afford it :) |
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| 08:00.27 | hark | Gokee2: oh boy.. |
| 08:01.21 | hark | 1. You're running unstable, unless you've got some pinning going |
| 08:03.12 | Gokee2 | hark, :( I might... where do I look? I remember working with pinning a little but I am not sure... |
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| 08:03.35 | hark | Gokee2: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 ? |
| 08:04.14 | Gokee2 | hark, "ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 08:04.25 | jZe1 | dmesg tells me the right driver is loaded, that the device is using the driver but that wlan0 link is not ready |
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| 08:04.48 | Gokee2 | hark, ya "APT::Default-release "testing";" :) I got a pin :) |
| 08:05.06 | hark | !info libc6 etch |
| 08:05.09 | Gokee2 | only a pin in the way of my system becoming unstable... :) |
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| 08:05.19 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
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| 08:05.59 | Gokee2 | hark, Well I don`t get around to running apt-get dist-upgrade all that often,,, |
| 08:06.04 | Gokee2 | .. |
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| 08:06.17 | hark | Gokee2: ok, anyway comment out the rest, keep the basic ones and debian-multimedia |
| 08:06.39 | hark | then, figure out which one it is among the rest... |
| 08:07.08 | hark | and add this |
| 08:07.15 | hark | !etch security |
| 08:07.15 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
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| 08:09.36 | hark | iow, keep the #Testing one, add the above line and the debian-multimedia |
| 08:11.31 | hark | oh, and replace sid with etch for the debian-multimedia one |
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| 08:12.43 | Gokee2 | hark, ok I am still getting the error it stopes if I comment out all the main debian sources |
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| 08:14.48 | Gokee2 | hark, If I just take out the stable source it works |
| 08:15.01 | Gokee2 | hark, Do I need stable for anything? |
| 08:15.25 | xixor | so, I can't seem to remember my mysql user name or password, whatever I type into mysql -u <user> -p, and try a password doesn't work |
| 08:15.32 | xixor | is there a way to reset it and still get at the data? |
| 08:15.49 | sep | xixor, are you sure one was set ? the default is blank. |
| 08:16.12 | xixor | sep: that is a good question, but I think I set one using mysqladmin |
| 08:16.17 | hark | Gokee2: as i said, just keep the testing one, the security repos dpkg gave above and the debian-multimedia one. For the unofficial ones, it's up to you |
| 08:16.58 | sep | xixor, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html |
| 08:17.06 | Gokee2 | hark, ok thanks, now time to fix my laptop :/ |
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| 08:18.43 | sep | xixor, you might also want to try to connect as the debian-sys-maint user, using the debian.cnf file |
| 08:18.54 | sep | xixor, that might be a cleaner solution :) |
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| 08:19.29 | xixor | sep: thanks... I had a wordpress install on this server at one point, and it worked.. I tried to switch it to a new domain, but somewhere along the line everything is broken |
| 08:19.53 | chronographer | Can someone tell me what this means and if i can fix it: hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51 |
| 08:20.07 | rpc | is there an easy way of stripping file type from greped file name? |
| 08:20.10 | chronographer | (drivereadt seekcomplete error) |
| 08:20.14 | sep | somethign like mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf command |
| 08:20.30 | rpc | like ls|grep *.txt <--- i would like to see only the filename part |
| 08:20.30 | sep | chronographer, is that your cdrom ? |
| 08:20.35 | chronographer | yeah |
| 08:20.39 | chronographer | pioneer dvd |
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| 08:20.46 | chronographer | new debian install |
| 08:20.58 | chronographer | worked the first few boots, now has infinite loop? |
| 08:20.59 | Gokee2 | Wow all the keys work again |
| 08:21.48 | chronographer | also says hdc: irq timeout: error=0x40 |
| 08:21.49 | Gokee2 | I had forgotten how peacefull it was |
| 08:21.49 | rpc | or better yet: ls *.txt|grep crap <---how do i make it so only filename is displayed and not extension? |
| 08:22.06 | sep | chronographer, that's just a anoying message. there is some info on how to get rid of it if you bother to google it |
| 08:22.34 | chronographer | no, the comp wont boot up... takes ages |
| 08:22.40 | Gokee2 | I better do a dist-upgrade to make some stuff fail :) |
| 08:22.41 | xixor | sep: ok, got it changed! |
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| 08:23.10 | xixor | sep: is there a way I can browse the mysql database? I am not too sure what I called the table for the wordpress database? |
| 08:23.19 | sep | xixor, i use phpmyadmin. |
| 08:23.22 | bwilson | xixor: phpmyadmin |
| 08:23.27 | sep | im sure there are many other tools as well |
| 08:23.45 | sep | xixor, if that box is not a websever you can run phpmyadmin on a different box ofcourse |
| 08:23.53 | bwilson | i deleted my init.d apache file. how can i get it back? |
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| 08:24.07 | chronographer | now booting has stopped at ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 08:24.37 | hark | bwilson: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 08:24.47 | chronographer | *sigh thx anyways................ |
| 08:24.59 | cwheeler | chronographer you booting from a dvd drive? |
| 08:25.04 | Gokee2 | 560 upgraded plus 16 new on my laptop and 343 upgraded plus 10 new on my desktop a total of 700 MB`s downloaded |
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| 08:25.34 | Gokee2 | I need to set up a local apt repository... That will be a project for another day |
| 08:26.47 | bwilson | hark: and then what? |
| 08:26.51 | hark | rpc: ls *.ext |sed 's/\.[^.]*$//' |
| 08:27.25 | hark | !confmiss |
| 08:27.26 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 08:27.55 | hark | reinstall it with the confmiss option |
| 08:28.00 | xixor | sep: yep, its a webserver, I am installing phpmyadmin |
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| 08:28.14 | bwilson | hark: is there a way to do that with apt? |
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| 08:28.27 | ma3x | hi. I have a cd/dvd combo burner. and suddenly it stopped burning dvds, it just burns CD now. is it not the same laser that burns the both? |
| 08:28.38 | hark | bwilson: yes, read the factoid. last line |
| 08:29.15 | antum1 | How do I check something like postfix has access to mysql? I keep getting errors in my logs saying it can't connect through localhost |
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| 08:31.15 | bwilson | hark: hmm apt-get --reinstall install apache2 is that it? |
| 08:31.37 | chronographer | im NOT booting from the cd drive |
| 08:31.39 | hark | !tell bwilson -about confmiss |
| 08:33.18 | xixor | sep: in phpmyadmin, is there away I can list all the users? If I can see the usernames I may be able to guess my wordpress users password |
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| 08:36.10 | sep | xixor, the permissions link on the frontpage |
| 08:36.22 | sep | or just look in the mysql database |
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| 08:37.56 | xixor | sep: I used the same process to recover the admin password to change the users password |
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| 08:38.54 | xixor | sep: do you mean privileges? |
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| 08:39.15 | sep | yes |
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| 08:39.51 | lotus-blade | anyone work with openbios or linuxbios? I need to know what version to use for the i80830 chipset |
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| 08:55.10 | yolkaplexus | hello anyone know how to get the multi_key support ? |
| 08:55.18 | yolkaplexus | it used to work |
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| 08:55.37 | yolkaplexus | but after the upgrade to x.org 7.1 it doesnt now :< |
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| 08:56.40 | yolkaplexus | how ever i can use the compose key with gtk application, and it doesnt work on java applications |
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| 09:01.31 | pyrohotdog | How do I open ,nfo files? |
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| 09:01.48 | pihhan | hi |
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| 09:03.34 | streuner | http://www.endungen.de/ResultList/ResultList.aspx?searchExtension=nfo&searchDescription=&searchProgram=&searchPlatform=win;mac;unix;os2&searchMode=contains&showAmazon=false |
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| 09:03.51 | streuner | pihhan: which one of these? ^^^^ |
| 09:03.52 | pihhan | i have problem with my machine freezing every start in udev |
| 09:04.06 | streuner | pyrohotdog: ^^^^ |
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| 09:04.30 | Delicates | I've seen a GUI app which displays a detailed RAM usage in pie charts... anyone knows what it's called? |
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| 09:04.41 | streuner | pihhan: sarge, etch or sid? |
| 09:04.50 | pihhan | streuner, etch |
| 09:05.20 | pihhan | after update to new 2.6.18 kernel, it does not pass populating /dev filesystem |
| 09:05.21 | streuner | pihhan: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 09:05.47 | pihhan | Linux version 2.6.15-27-k7 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Sep 16 02:35:20 UTC 2006 |
| 09:05.48 | streuner | pihhan: what does BTS say about? |
| 09:05.54 | pihhan | as i cannot boot debian kernel |
| 09:06.04 | pihhan | ?? BTS |
| 09:06.20 | streuner | pihhan: and what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:06.40 | pihhan | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:06.42 | Thms | how can I give the privileges root to a user ? |
| 09:07.03 | streuner | man sudo |
| 09:07.12 | pihhan | might be problem i am using libpam-ldap to connect to ldap |
| 09:07.18 | streuner | pihhan: wth are you using an ubuntu kernel in debian? |
| 09:07.18 | Thms | streuner: without sudo |
| 09:07.48 | streuner | That's a tric question, isn't it? :-) |
| 09:07.51 | pihhan | streuner, because previous kernel from debian was 2.6.17 and i am using XFS as root fs |
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| 09:08.21 | benklop | do /dev/ nodes work as one might hope over NFS? eg can i access the sound card of another machine over nfs? this is a virtual machine running on a real machine with NFS between them so i'm not too worried about bandwidth |
| 09:08.39 | streuner | XFS is well supported (official kernels) in debian since ages :-) |
| 09:08.50 | pihhan | yeah |
| 09:09.04 | pihhan | and 2.6.17 kernel had bug in XFS since its release |
| 09:09.54 | pihhan | benklop, wouldnt ESD or such deamon be better way to do it? |
| 09:10.36 | benklop | pihhan: for that scenario, yes... but i was actually thinking /dev/psaux or somesuch |
| 09:11.02 | benklop | or a /dev/input/ device |
| 09:11.29 | pihhan | i dont think nfs will support ioctls needed |
| 09:11.30 | streuner | XFS is well tested in IRIX, but not in linux... |
| 09:11.33 | pihhan | but i dont know |
| 09:12.48 | pihhan | streuner, i am problem with udev freezing, XFS probem should be fixed in 2.6.18 but i cannot boot debian kernel 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 09:12.59 | pyrohotdog | ...in English? |
| 09:13.03 | streuner | well, that wouldn't fix your 'freezing' problem, but i dunno what else you have installed on your 'ubuntu' machine :-) |
| 09:13.19 | pihhan | streuner, very funny |
| 09:13.21 | amphi | pihhan: what xfs problems are you having? |
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| 09:13.41 | paranoos | arch rules |
| 09:13.41 | pihhan | amphi, did i say i have problem with xfs? |
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| 09:13.46 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 09:13.46 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 09:13.51 | benklop | pihhan: have you any suggestions on how i might go about doing that then? |
| 09:14.00 | rpc | hark i'm sorry, was afk - thanks for this: rpc: ls *.ext |sed 's/\.[^.]*$//' |
| 09:14.02 | streuner | ... the same goes with different kernels... |
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| 09:14.24 | streuner | (of debian based distros) |
| 09:14.29 | pihhan | amphi, i cannot use 2.6.17 kernel, and because i had 2.6.16 from ubuntu, i used that because that did not damage my system |
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| 09:14.42 | streuner | hah |
| 09:15.08 | amphi | pihhan: good idea |
| 09:15.54 | pihhan | and i have one common /boot partition for debian etch and kubuntu, so i used what already was there :) |
| 09:16.02 | pihhan | my question is |
| 09:16.13 | pihhan | how can i fix or debug udev |
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| 09:16.34 | pihhan | when it is run 3rd on boot before i can run anything |
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| 09:17.05 | streuner | just re-install debian |
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| 09:17.38 | pihhan | is there way to replace binary data from packages? |
| 09:17.49 | hark | rpc: np :) |
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| 09:17.58 | streuner | and don't use any packages out of 'debian based distros' and DON'T USE other kernels. |
| 09:18.27 | pihhan | streuner, situation is: i have clean debian without foreign packages |
| 09:18.43 | pihhan | i yes, there is opera package, but should not break booting |
| 09:18.59 | tydelCA | are you for real |
| 09:19.00 | pihhan | streuner, and debian kernel does freeze, ubuntu kernel does not |
| 09:19.08 | tydelCA | you reused a /boot partition with two OSes? |
| 09:19.11 | streuner | bullshit |
| 09:19.15 | cusco | the /boot differ from debian to ubuntu |
| 09:19.35 | pihhan | cusco, do i need something more than grub/menu.lst and kernels? |
| 09:19.39 | cusco | diferent kernels diferent initrd images diferent everything |
| 09:19.40 | tydelCA | you must have been high when you thought that one over |
| 09:19.51 | benklop | tydelCA: why? |
| 09:20.10 | tydelCA | it's just ... dumb |
| 09:20.20 | tydelCA | for many reasons, including a few that've already been stated |
| 09:20.21 | pihhan | hey man, what is the problem with more OSes sharing one boot partition? |
| 09:20.30 | cusco | well tecnhically its possible if you can put all the files there |
| 09:20.37 | cusco | now that I think about it... |
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| 09:20.41 | tydelCA | pihhan: what's your problem? oh yeah, THEY STOP BOOTING |
| 09:20.44 | tydelCA | lolz |
| 09:20.53 | pihhan | tydelCA, it does boot without problem |
| 09:21.03 | tydelCA | sure, if you're smart about it it can work |
| 09:21.08 | cusco | pihhan: lol so whats the problem |
| 09:21.11 | pihhan | tydelCA, as you can see, i made it to work |
| 09:21.11 | tydelCA | but ... that's assuming a lot |
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| 09:21.22 | streuner | !ubuntusmite pihhan |
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| 09:21.35 | pihhan | cusco, problem is it freeze at udev, it does not have anything to do with grub or /boot partition |
| 09:22.00 | sha256sum | hey guys... is there a way to disable ohci1394 other than "acpi=off" and "nofirewire" in the kernel options? they aren't working for me apparently, because it still tries to load |
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| 09:22.27 | streuner | !tell sha256sum about blacklist |
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| 09:23.00 | sha256sum | that's all well and good, but I can't boot to edit the damn files heh |
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| 09:23.20 | pihhan | sha256sum, use knoppix or such to edit that |
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| 09:23.34 | sha256sum | yeah and if knoppix won't boot because of ohci1394? |
| 09:23.37 | sha256sum | I've tried this before |
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| 09:23.57 | streuner | can you disable firewire in BIOS? |
| 09:24.05 | sha256sum | there isn't firewire on my system |
| 09:24.08 | pihhan | erm, dont know. use something different without firewire support at all |
| 09:24.09 | sha256sum | and no |
| 09:24.10 | streuner | hm |
| 09:24.12 | sha256sum | I looked |
| 09:25.06 | sha256sum | I am sort of thinking that ohci1394 was specified post-kernel, because if the kernel options aren't working, that would make sense, but I don't know what to do about that |
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| 09:28.33 | streuner | just try something else, grml for example |
| 09:28.39 | streuner | !grml |
| 09:28.39 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. |
| 09:29.10 | streuner | if you cannot boot those, you might have a hardware problem |
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| 09:31.25 | benklop | sha256sum: you can boot to your system by specifying init /bin/bash as a kernel option |
| 09:31.33 | benklop | it'll boot straight into a root shell |
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| 09:32.00 | fir3 | hi |
| 09:32.48 | sha256sum | hmmm |
| 09:32.49 | sha256sum | nice |
| 09:32.50 | benklop | sha256sum: not sure what will work and what wont, but you can try to remount your FS read-write, then add the modules to blacklist (or delete them) then reboot |
| 09:33.04 | sha256sum | sounds like a good idea |
| 09:33.09 | sha256sum | I'll give that a try... hold |
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| 09:35.54 | benklop | sha256sum: mount -o remount rw / to remount your root fs writable (assuming it is not writable upon boot |
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| 09:36.20 | sha256sum | actually what's the specification for the init in kernel opts? |
| 09:36.33 | sha256sum | "init=/bin/bash" or "init /bin/bash" ? |
| 09:36.43 | benklop | i'm pretty sure its init=/bin/bash |
| 09:36.44 | streuner | !listvals init |
| 09:36.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'init' by value (15 of 253): 2.6 problems ;; alguem ;; anti-aliased ;; b1ff ;; bnf ;; can't mount root ;; console dropped packets ;; flw25 ;; literal i forgot root's password ;; meaning of stable ;; restartx ;; rfc1516 ;; sober ;; sysv cycle ;; tape drive. |
| 09:37.07 | streuner | !i forgot root's password |
| 09:37.08 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 09:41.57 | sha256sum | I'm thinking my hardware must sux0rz |
| 09:42.22 | sha256sum | but at least me sp33k is 1337 |
| 09:42.23 | sha256sum | heh |
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| 09:44.53 | sha256sum | ouch... it boots if I turn off the onboard ethernet device... yeah, my hardware sux0rz... anyway, I'll edit blacklist to turn off the ohci1394 and install a PCI network card... hopefully that will do it |
| 09:45.27 | Coke | Does the Debian 2.6 kernel (Etch) have any type of automounting feature that automatically mounts/umounts cdrom's and USB-sticks? |
| 09:46.26 | pihhan | Coke, i believe hal can do that |
| 09:47.02 | pihhan | Coke, at least it does make interface to KDE to ask user what should be done |
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| 09:47.48 | streuner | wb(r) Guerin |
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| 09:50.37 | sha256sum | okay |
| 09:50.44 | sha256sum | blacklisting did not prevent it from trying to load |
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| 09:51.23 | antum1 | Hi, can anyone help, I'm having trouble logging into my mail server via pop3, The user gets accepted but the password doesn't |
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| 09:51.43 | sha256sum | I used the specification "blacklist ohci1394" in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file |
| 09:51.47 | sha256sum | is that correct? |
| 09:52.31 | streuner | !blacklist |
| 09:52.31 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 09:52.31 | karsten | antum1: How are you logging in? |
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| 09:52.31 | streuner | sha256sum: did you ask for 'blacklist-initramfs' as well? |
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| 09:52.32 | karsten | antum1: and is it POP, POP3, or POPS? |
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| 09:52.55 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.55 | sha256sum | streuner: in the blacklist file or as a kernel option? |
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| 09:53.14 | streuner | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 09:53.15 | dpkg | methinks blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run update-initramfs in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 09:54.00 | antum1 | karsten its POP3 and I'm using telnet just to test the system |
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| 09:54.07 | antum1 | I'm in the process of setting up the mail server |
| 09:54.13 | luddite | Guerin: you there? |
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| 09:54.34 | ewanm89 | antum1: Which pop server are you using? |
| 09:54.35 | antum1 | karsten SSL is installed however, so perhaps I need to login via that all the time? |
| 09:54.48 | Coke | I'm trying to set XTerm*font: 10x20 in my ~/.Xdefaults, I then xrdb -merge it, but when starting a new xterm it still uses a smaller font. Why is it refusing to go with my settings? |
| 09:55.01 | antum1 | ewanm89 I beleive its pop3, how do I double check? |
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| 09:55.24 | Coke | (starting xterm with -font 10x20 works fine) |
| 09:56.12 | ewanm89 | antum1: Only if it gives an authentication denied message, and plain text auth is disabled in the configuration file. |
| 09:56.36 | ewanm89 | antum1: Which configuration file are you using? |
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| 09:57.15 | antum1 | ewanm89 I've been working on /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 09:57.24 | Coke | I'm trying to set XTerm*font: 10x20 in my ~/.Xdefaults, I then xrdb -merge it, but when starting a new xterm it still uses a smaller font. Why is it refusing to go with my settings? (starting xterm with -font 10x20 works fine) |
| 09:57.59 | Coke | (sorry, wrong window) |
| 09:58.00 | ewanm89 | antum1: Could you pastebin a copy? |
| 09:58.12 | antum1 | ewanm89 yeah sure |
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| 09:59.13 | antum1 | http://pastebin.ca/363336 |
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| 10:00.44 | antum1 | ewanm89 is pop3 configured through postfix or is there a separate service? |
| 10:01.08 | ewanm89 | antum1: Separate service |
| 10:01.26 | antum1 | perhaps i need to find another configuration file to work on then? |
| 10:01.33 | antum1 | I've been following this tutorial: |
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| 10:01.39 | scx | !give a pepsi to Coke |
| 10:01.40 | antum1 | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 10:02.29 | scx | em, that was dumb... |
| 10:02.58 | sha256sum | streuner: so that was more informative of what it is than how to do it |
| 10:03.05 | sha256sum | streuner: I'm still unsure of the process |
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| 10:03.38 | antum1 | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 10:04.12 | Coke | Gaah, why is xterm ignoring my resource variables?! |
| 10:04.29 | ewanm89 | antum1: It uses courier /etc/courier/pop3d & /etc/courier/courierd also some others in that directory might be needed. |
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| 10:05.02 | antum1 | ewanm89 thanks! I'll take a look at those cnonfigurations :) |
| 10:05.05 | SoulChild | hey guys, i have this strange problem, that i have no sound if i plugg in headphnoes on my notebook, headphones work and sound works also without headohones but when plugged in everythigns muted, please help |
| 10:05.49 | ewanm89 | antum1: I found dovecot easier to set up over courier |
| 10:05.51 | Coke | Ohhhh! If it's started using the x-terminal-emulator symlink it doesn't give a rats ass about the personal resources. |
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| 10:05.58 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 10:06.23 | antum1 | ewanm89: I'll take a look at that if I get too stuck, I've been working on this all night :/ |
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| 10:06.47 | mhall | http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8718 |
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| 10:09.23 | SoulChild | hey guys, i have this strange problem, that i have no sound if i plugg in headphones on my notebook, headphones work and sound works also without headphones but when plugged in everything is muted, please help |
| 10:09.42 | ewanm89 | antum1: Where are you? |
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| 10:10.38 | antum1 | ewanm89 New Zealand |
| 10:10.44 | antum1 | It's 11:12pm |
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| 10:12.33 | ewanm89 | antum1: 10:11 am here in the UK and I have to go to work soon |
| 10:12.40 | aLtErNs | !make iso |
| 10:13.00 | antum1 | ewanm89 sounds like you get a sleep in, thats nice! |
| 10:13.26 | ewanm89 | SoulChild: Is there volume control on the headphones? |
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| 10:13.41 | SoulChild | ewanm89, no |
| 10:14.41 | ewanm89 | SoulChild: Does it work from a knoppix disc? |
| 10:14.50 | SoulChild | ewanm89, yes |
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| 10:15.07 | SoulChild | ewanm89, also on a ubuntu disk |
| 10:15.33 | ewanm89 | SoulChild: Do you know what sound card it is? |
| 10:15.56 | SoulChild | ewanm89, it s a realtek HDA Intel onboard chip |
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| 10:16.46 | amphi | SoulChild: so do lsmod on knoppix, see what modules it uses, and modprobe 'em |
| 10:17.05 | SoulChild | amphi ohh great idea thanks |
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| 10:24.31 | JohnGH | antum1: are you still here? |
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| 10:26.18 | antum1 | JohnGH yeah I can't send private messages, I'm from Christchurch by the way, where do you hail from? |
| 10:26.48 | JohnGH | Hi antum1, Great Barrier |
| 10:26.55 | amphi | antum1: register with nickserv and you can PM as much as you like |
| 10:27.41 | JohnGH | amphi: thanks for the tip - is that what does it? :) |
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| 10:28.15 | amphi | JohnGH: yup, on freenode you need to be 'idebtified to services' to send private messages |
| 10:28.16 | LinkinTurk | !vhcs |
| 10:28.31 | dondelelcaro | only to users who are not +6. |
| 10:28.32 | JohnGH | and so you should be :) |
| 10:28.34 | antum1 | cool looks like i should register, just got to try figure out how to configure courier first |
| 10:29.06 | JohnGH | antum1: easy ;) : apt-get remove --purge courier ; apt-get install exim4 |
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| 10:29.58 | ewanm89 | JohnGH: I prefer dovecot |
| 10:29.59 | antum1 | JohnGH dear me, I'm not that brave, I'm trying to work through this tutorial: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ but can't see where it configures courier |
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| 10:30.48 | antum1 | JohnGH, ewanm89 is it possible for me to substitute dovecot or exim4 for courier without causing drama? |
| 10:31.37 | petemc | dovecot isnt a substitute for exim4 |
| 10:31.42 | petemc | they do different things |
| 10:31.51 | JohnGH | antum1: I was joking, but are you serious? you just need a mail server and courier is giving you greif? - sure - it's as simple as doing that - they *SHOULD* configure alright when you install them if you know the config details you need. |
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| 10:32.08 | petemc | courier is a shite MTA |
| 10:32.34 | b52laptop | any pointer to complete sources.list :d |
| 10:32.40 | ewanm89 | antum1: You need to configure it still heres dovecot's http://wiki.dovecot.org/#head-10a6d886236834f515c56ee1a7f1c6e42c927d3e |
| 10:32.49 | antum1 | JohnGH yeah I'm serious, I'm pulling my hair out trying to get this mail server working, I've got it sending mail locally to virtual users, but can't login externally |
| 10:33.04 | ewanm89 | petemc: antum1 is uxing postfix for MTA |
| 10:33.26 | antum1 | yes I should've mentioned I'm using postfix |
| 10:33.32 | JohnGH | Having said that my exim4 config on my main machine is *HEAVILY* tweaked (I have lots of home made spam blocking and multiple domains on it) and I only ever tutu with the bits I know about - it's so big that most of it is a mistery to me! - but the boxes I install from scratch and put vanilla exim4 on I never have to think twice about |
| 10:33.55 | antum1 | is there a command to reconfigure courier after its installed or should I re-install it? |
| 10:34.14 | JohnGH | antum1: when you say "Can't login externally" - do you mean you want to be able to login to send mail - or to pick up mail? |
| 10:34.30 | ewanm89 | JohnGH: POP3 access |
| 10:34.31 | antum1 | JohnGH pick up mail from the maildir |
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| 10:34.43 | JohnGH | antum1: OK... that's not MTA territory |
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| 10:35.27 | JohnGH | On a mail server (at least the way mine works) the POP (or better IMAP) are seperate from the MTA - the MTA sends and receives mail - it doesn't handle people logging in to download their messages |
| 10:35.41 | JohnGH | I don't use POP3 anymore - I use secure IMAP if I can help it |
| 10:36.20 | antum1 | I think I have imap installed as well, I just don't know where to configure them |
| 10:36.23 | JohnGH | nasty nasty to be sending email login passwords and mails with who knows WHAT content around clear text over any network |
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| 10:36.47 | ewanm89 | JohnGH: Dovecot does both POOP3 and IMAP with ssl courier tries to do everything. |
| 10:37.22 | JohnGH | unless you've got something specially configured - if you want to wipe a packge and install it with a new config then apt-get remove --purge PACKAGE normally helps strip it out properly |
| 10:37.29 | ewanm89 | antum1: /etc/courier/imapd |
| 10:37.52 | freeone3000 | I prefer POP3 to POOP3... |
| 10:37.58 | JohnGH | antum1: IIRC the imap and pop daemons in courier are bolt-ons - I may be wrong though |
| 10:38.08 | antum1 | ewanm89 great, I can have a look through that. |
| 10:38.18 | JohnGH | freeone3000: POOP3 is the shit man! |
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| 10:39.30 | ewanm89 | JohnGH: Sorry misstype |
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| 10:39.59 | ewanm89 | Got to go now bye good luck with the mail server :) |
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| 10:40.12 | antum1 | ewanm89 thanks! |
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| 10:41.11 | JohnGH | ewanm89: What is the default MTA these days? is it still exim? |
| 10:41.31 | JohnGH | oh ... sorry, bye ewanm89 |
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| 10:41.35 | JohnGH | anyone else? |
| 10:41.42 | petemc | exim4 |
| 10:41.42 | Ronin | yes its exim |
| 10:41.44 | Ronin | 4 |
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| 10:41.57 | JohnGH | ah, thought so - didn't expect that would change |
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| 10:42.59 | antum1 | so if postfix is my MTA, can I just remove courier and install something easier like dovecot? |
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| 10:43.31 | JohnGH | I started on Slackware a few years back... and there was none of this newfangled exim business... so I used sendmail - and had that heavily tweaked too - it was a nightmare migrating my config to exim(3) - I thought I'd got it working but I found out after a week or 10 days I'd been loosing lots of mails. I ended up getting config from a workmate and tweaking that to my needs... and I'm... |
| 10:43.33 | JohnGH | ...STILL using it! |
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| 10:44.00 | petemc | how did you lose mails with exim? |
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| 10:44.16 | cusco | I found exim pretty easy to configure.. debconf also helps |
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| 10:44.49 | cusco | yea how did you lose mails> |
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| 10:45.57 | JohnGH | antum1: I went with exim4 & uw-imapd |
| 10:46.38 | JohnGH | cusco: having not configured my multi-domain config correctly I was rejecting things I didn't ought to be rejecting |
| 10:46.58 | JohnGH | I figured it out pretty quickly when I realised I was losing stuff |
| 10:46.58 | cusco | oopsi doopsi |
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| 10:49.15 | JohnGH | antum1: unless you have config that you've slaved over setting up - I wouldn't worry - I'd just strip it out and install a new one |
| 10:49.33 | JohnGH | antum1: is there a reason you went for postfix when it wasn't the default choice? |
| 10:49.53 | JohnGH | I tried postfix a few years ago and it seemed like a tangle |
| 10:50.21 | antum1 | just because of the tutorials I was reading... I'm no system administrator, I just need a mail server running and I can't find anyone to employ via a contract so I have to do it myself :( |
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| 10:53.52 | JohnGH | antum1: but you're on debian :) - it's easy to go with the default options - unless you weren't installing from scratch I guess |
| 10:54.07 | JohnGH | then there wouldn't have been a "default option" |
| 10:54.46 | antum1 | It was already there... so yeah I just found some tutorials that I thought would be easy-ish to follow... boy was I wrong! |
| 10:55.05 | JohnGH | If you stay stuck I've got a mate who used to live up the road from me here who I got into Debian - and he moved home to chch in 2002 - he'd probably be up for helping you (I don't know who he's working for at the moment) |
| 10:55.15 | JohnGH | hehehe scary huh? |
| 10:55.37 | scx | hey someone has to update dpkg about !man |
| 10:55.49 | antum1 | do you have his email? I can imagine I might get stuck... even more |
| 10:55.59 | scx | http://mannotincluded.com takes me to a fertility page instead of an online man |
| 10:56.01 | scx | :p |
| 10:56.20 | scx | artificial insemination actually |
| 10:57.04 | JohnGH | antum1: Sheesh, sorry, I just did whois on his domain and it looks like he's moved to the deep south! He's in invervegas now |
| 10:57.18 | antum1 | damn, oh well.. |
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| 10:57.35 | antum1 | I reckon I'm pretty damn close to cracking it, I think there's just something missing |
| 10:58.09 | PumpkinPie | its probably my dog |
| 10:58.13 | PumpkinPie | why you crack my dog |
| 10:58.14 | JohnGH | Seriously - if you just need a mail server... |
| 10:58.31 | JohnGH | have you put customised config into it? |
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| 10:59.01 | antum1 | I have for the postfix... well I followed a couple of tutorials... and I've configured courier to some extent... |
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| 10:59.43 | antum1 | If you take a look at chapter 8: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ thats where I've done something wrong... and I can't figure it out... |
| 10:59.48 | JohnGH | scx: if you do "dpkg --list | grep man-db" what do you get? |
| 11:00.06 | JohnGH | antumn1: are you on Sarge? |
| 11:00.20 | antum1 | I'm on etch |
| 11:00.29 | antum1 | I know, I know, its for Sarge |
| 11:00.31 | scx | JohnGH: I mean the bot |
| 11:00.44 | JohnGH | scx: oh... hehehe ;) |
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| 11:00.57 | antum1 | JohnGH the mail server is on etch, |
| 11:01.12 | eshaase | is this the unofficial debian irc channel (as opposed to the one on irc.debian.org)? |
| 11:01.56 | scx | officially this is not the unofficial channel, yes |
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| 11:03.57 | JohnGH | !man |
| 11:03.58 | dpkg | from memory, man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 11:04.02 | JohnGH | :) |
| 11:04.42 | JohnGH | scx: somebody ( <=== ) did :) |
| 11:04.48 | antum1 | JohnGH where would I find log files for the /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon service? |
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| 11:05.28 | scx | JohnGH :) |
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| 11:05.48 | JohnGH | antum1: the exim log files are in /var/log/exim4 - so I guess they *ought* to be in /var/log/courier or summit ? |
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| 11:08.17 | JohnGH | as it's starty uppy stuff it's probably worth peeking in /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages if you're looking for major haemorrhages too |
| 11:08.19 | antum1 | damn, I can't find anything to do with courier... this is hard to trouble shoot |
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| 11:09.07 | Thms | where is the jre path for opera ? |
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| 11:09.53 | JohnGH | antum1: After midnight... gonna let it all hang out :) |
| 11:09.57 | JohnGH | o/~ |
| 11:10.24 | JohnGH | is there a particular reason you're banging your head on postfix+courier ? |
| 11:10.35 | antum1 | JohnGH its 12:12am over here, I think I'm going to go insane... |
| 11:10.54 | antum1 | JohnGH just because of the tutorials... does postfix work with anything else? |
| 11:11.02 | b52laptop | hi i apply changes on the network confugurations using etherconf , but they are not considered !! |
| 11:11.13 | dondelelcaro | antum1: postfix works just fine with dovecot |
| 11:11.25 | JohnGH | why do you want to use postfix? - from what I've seen in MTA bake-offs it's not all dat |
| 11:11.30 | dondelelcaro | antum1: as it does with any other pop/imap |
| 11:11.48 | JohnGH | I wish I could find the page comparing MTAs :| |
| 11:11.53 | antum1 | so what should I type to remove courier and install something else? |
| 11:12.08 | antum1 | I'm going to stick with postfix at the moment because it is working... and I'm happy about that |
| 11:12.13 | dondelelcaro | antum1: apt-get remove courier dovecot+; or similar. |
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| 11:13.32 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 11:13.38 | HardDisk_WP | I run debian sarge. |
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| 11:13.43 | HardDisk_WP | argh, debian etch. |
| 11:14.01 | dondelelcaro | (or dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d) |
| 11:14.01 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell the sources.list it should use the Sarge source for webmin and its dependencies? |
| 11:14.27 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: just list sarge as well as etch in your sources.list, and it will use sarge if possible. |
| 11:14.30 | scx | how can I alias a bot response? ie: alias <well done> to <good bot> |
| 11:14.45 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: well done is <reply> see good bot |
| 11:14.45 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 11:15.18 | dondelelcaro | scx: well done is already something |
| 11:15.48 | dondelelcaro | and good bot is a command |
| 11:15.53 | dondelelcaro | (an internal one at that) |
| 11:16.09 | scx | dondelelcaro: it's an example |
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| 11:16.22 | dondelelcaro | well, what I did is the cannonical way to do it |
| 11:16.43 | scx | ok, ok thanks: /me see that |
| 11:16.45 | JohnGH | This is an OK one - but it's subjective - doesn't do a detailed feature list? http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
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| 11:18.11 | scx | that bot amazes me |
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| 11:18.19 | user1234 | can someone reach http://80.61.67.150 |
| 11:18.38 | cb | yes |
| 11:18.44 | cb | xampp |
| 11:18.49 | dondelelcaro | there's really very few features that normal users would want that the three major MTAs included in Debian havae. |
| 11:18.51 | HardDisk_WP | user1234, yes, a XAMPP |
| 11:18.57 | dondelelcaro | s/havae/don't have/ |
| 11:19.14 | user1234 | HardDisk_WP, thnx!! |
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| 11:20.22 | dondelelcaro | and frankly, nowadays you should just pick the MTA that you're most comfortable with; they're all fairly similar. |
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| 11:25.09 | JohnGH | user1234: What OS are you using? |
| 11:25.31 | user1234 | JohnDoh, debian |
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| 11:25.41 | user1234 | JohnDoh, but not for developing |
| 11:26.03 | user1234 | school wants microsoft |
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| 11:30.46 | man_in_ltop | anyone here good with writing udev rules? |
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| 11:33.19 | JohnGH | antum1: 12:30 - is it working yet? |
| 11:34.47 | valdyn | !wayttd man_in_ltop |
| 11:34.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, man_in_ltop? |
| 11:35.31 | man_in_ltop | trying to get a working udev rule for tifm_7xx1 sd card slot |
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| 11:37.29 | man_in_ltop | http://pastebin.ca/363407 << udevinfo output |
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| 11:37.58 | grumbel | which tool should one use to resize an ext3 filesystem? ext2resize or resize2fs? |
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| 11:38.48 | nevetS | Hi |
| 11:39.04 | nevetS | Are there still mirrors available for debian Woody? |
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| 11:39.11 | JohnGH | ahhh the old SD card slot tricks huh? I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro (lifts it up and looks underneath) SP6100 - nice built in SD card slot... forget it... cost me $10 in Singapore for a beautiful USB SD card reader... can probably get one off eBay for £2 now... it kinda irks me that I've got hardware in my laptop that I can't access - but I take solace from the fact it doesn't seem to have... |
| 11:39.13 | JohnGH | ...drivers installed for Windows either ;) |
| 11:39.31 | JohnGH | nevetS: http://web.archive.org/ :P ;) |
| 11:39.43 | man_in_ltop | well i have a cardreader, but it's clunky |
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| 11:40.08 | man_in_ltop | and the windows drivers for the reader work (in windows), so i'm trying to be nice to linux 8) |
| 11:40.19 | nevetS | JohnGH, I hope I don't have to go looking there :) |
| 11:40.24 | valdyn | grumbel: no idea really which is better, but only ext2resize seems to support online resizing |
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| 11:41.02 | JohnGH | hehehe |
| 11:41.08 | nevetS | I really need some Woody mirror because I accidentally uninstalled the proftpd package on the server... I need to get it back... :/ |
| 11:41.35 | cydork | nevetS: check archive.debian.org |
| 11:41.38 | man_in_ltop | at least one of my udev rule and "udevcontrol reload_rules" is not working |
| 11:43.00 | ktwilight | k, i'm really dumb on this. am using debian etch and perl's CPAN is asking me where apache's directory is, but what does that mean? /etc/apache2? |
| 11:43.05 | HardDisk_WP | How do I tunnel connections via SSH? |
| 11:43.12 | JohnGH | man_in_ltop: how much is your time worth? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/4-in-1-USB-2-0-memory-card-reader-writer-SD-MMC-blue_W0QQitemZ220082420128QQihZ012QQcategoryZ167QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem AUD $1.99 on buy it now... and it even looks pretty - and it *sure* ain't chunky! geh.. is 5.99 postage though! |
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| 11:43.39 | JohnGH | HardDisk_WP: what kind of connections? you want to make a proxy? or tunnel ssh or X or what? |
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| 11:44.02 | nevetS | cydork, thanks! |
| 11:44.02 | HardDisk_WP | JohnGH, on my server webmin listens on 10000, allowing connections only from localhost |
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| 11:44.27 | HardDisk_WP | JohnGH, and now I want SSH setting up a port tunnel for my machine:10000 > server:10000 |
| 11:44.28 | JohnGH | man_in_ltop: aww fergeddit sorry, I didn't notice that one's from Hong Kong |
| 11:44.31 | sep | HardDisk_WP, ssh -L 10001:127.0.0.1:10000 user@remoteserver |
| 11:44.39 | sep | then you can use http://127.0.0.1:10001 |
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| 11:44.55 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 11:45.02 | JohnGH | sep: that was fast :) |
| 11:45.02 | sep | HardDisk_WP, use 10000 instead of 10001 if you want that for the local port |
| 11:45.06 | man_in_ltop | JohnDoh, quite frankly i don't see the point in getting another card reader |
| 11:45.28 | man_in_ltop | JohnDoh, i have one that works, but it's not convenient. i also have the built-in one that doesn't work, but is convenient |
| 11:45.30 | JohnGH | HardDisk_WP: read man ssh and look at -L and -R options - it's quite simple if you can figure out what is going where :) |
| 11:45.39 | man_in_ltop | so i'd rather get the built-in one working |
| 11:45.49 | man_in_ltop | i don't understand why the device node is not being created |
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| 11:46.27 | JohnGH | If you want to make a tunnel that remote hosts can connect to you might need to set up two tunnels - one which accepts local and sends to remote and accepts remote and sends to local that connects to it. |
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| 11:47.30 | JohnGH | sorry - I'll try that again... one that accepts local port and sends to remote machine... and one that accepts non-local connections and sends to local port |
| 11:48.23 | epi | Hello, anyone using SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge here? |
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| 11:49.08 | man_in_ltop | what in /sys constitutes an entry that has a device node associated? |
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| 11:50.24 | JohnGH | that may be Machine H at home behind your firewall, machine S your server out on the net... ssh from H to S forwarding a local port - so local connections on S to a localhost port of your choice get forwarded to the port being offered on H... then another ssh on S from S to S - accepting non-local connections and forwarding them to the local port that is pointing back to H - if that makes sense :) |
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| 11:54.58 | scx | I am looking for a superdupper mouse pad any good links? |
| 11:55.36 | scx | something that deserver to be in thinkgeek |
| 11:56.51 | JohnGH | laters all |
| 11:57.13 | luddite | seeya |
| 11:57.18 | sidjster | func makes the best mouse pads |
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| 11:58.31 | scx | dah, there are only noobs in #suse |
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| 11:59.59 | sidjster | tea time |
| 11:59.59 | poncha | hi. i see /etc/profile runs "umask 022" in the end of the script. why does it do so, regardless the fact /etc/login.defs has default umask settings? |
| 12:00.25 | poncha | also, how can i set a umask to users regardless of their loginshell |
| 12:01.04 | poncha | and i'd like control over umask depending on user primary group... |
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| 12:11.07 | ehsany | q |
| 12:11.19 | ehsany | ~. |
| 12:11.27 | apt | . |
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| 12:12.06 | ehsany | quite |
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| 12:13.42 | grumbel | little problem with LVM: does anybody know how I can have volume group directories world readable (i.e. /dev/vg_001/.. is rwx------)? simple chmod doesn't help, since that gets reset after a reboot |
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| 12:14.43 | man_in_ltop | set up a udev rule to set the group |
| 12:14.50 | man_in_ltop | or the mode |
| 12:15.01 | man_in_ltop | depending on how insecure you want it :) |
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| 12:16.41 | zu22 | hey does anyone know of a command line way to see the space footprint (installed size) of each package installed on my system (testing)? ideally it would sort and list the biggest packages on top so i could prune them if i don't really need them, will cut down on my update time (over dialup). |
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| 12:17.12 | yacc | Just wondering, what config options do I need for a serial console to work (append="console=ttyS0,57600")? |
| 12:17.16 | yacc | On a current 2.6.20 kernel? |
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| 12:20.24 | grumbel | man_in_ltop: not sure if that would work, since its a directory and not a device |
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| 12:20.43 | zu22 | any ideas? |
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| 12:21.52 | man_in_ltop | grumbel, then run a chmod on boot |
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| 12:28.03 | grumbel | found something /etc/lvm.conf has a umask setting which might do the trick |
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| 12:30.23 | ithium | hi people... I have a process that's refusing to be killed by kill -9. It's a mkfs.ext3 process that was working on a loopback device and went a bit screwy... I can't delete the loopback using losetup -d, because it says it's busy, and fuser reports that the mkfs.ext3 process is using it, but kill -9ing the process doesn't do squat. Any ideas anyone? :S |
| 12:30.45 | LLcoolM | ithium: reboot is the only thing thats going to help |
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| 12:30.59 | LLcoolM | you probably have an i/o deadlock or something similar. |
| 12:31.09 | ithium | LLcoolM: dammit. I was hoping I wouldn't have to reboot. |
| 12:31.25 | ithium | ah well, I'll do that then. thanks :o) |
| 12:31.32 | LLcoolM | in case of i/o problems there is usually only 1 way to get rid of them. |
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| 12:32.09 | DaveyB | What sort of email client on Debian would support me accessing HTML based websites i.e. hotmail? |
| 12:33.11 | zamuro | DaveyB: By default, hotmail doesn't have POP access, as far as I'm concerned. |
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| 12:33.35 | zamuro | Used to have it, a couple years ago. |
| 12:33.37 | DaveyB | zamuro, I appreciate that, I was wondering if there was a client that supports it. |
| 12:33.39 | man_in_ltop | DaveyB, do you know the difference between mail protocols and webmail? |
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| 12:34.12 | DaveyB | man_in_ltop, yep. Some client based applications can interface with webmail servers as well as mail servers POP3, SMTP etc |
| 12:34.25 | man_in_ltop | DaveyB, like ... |
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| 12:35.16 | DaveyB | man_in_ltop, outlook |
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| 12:35.30 | zamuro | DaveyB: http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/mail-settings.html |
| 12:35.46 | canine_kouji | this is #ubuntu, right? ;) j/k |
| 12:36.01 | man_in_ltop | DaveyB, outlook is specifically designed by microsoft to work with hotmail |
| 12:36.16 | zamuro | DaveyB: http://ask-leo.com/what_are_the_pop3_and_smtp_settings_for_hotmail.html <-- That'll ask yer wuestion. |
| 12:36.19 | man_in_ltop | DaveyB, it would not work with fastmail or gmail, except for pop/imap access |
| 12:36.36 | zamuro | canine_kouji: It ain't? Damn!! I'm in the wrong channel again! |
| 12:36.46 | DaveyB | man_in_ltop, I know, I did say that. All I wanted to know was does debian have a client based emailer that can interface with hotmail. If so what is it:P |
| 12:36.55 | DaveyB | zamuro, thank you |
| 12:37.00 | man_in_ltop | hotmail has pop |
| 12:37.01 | zamuro | DaveyB: No problem. |
| 12:37.13 | zamuro | man_in_ltop: Not anymore... |
| 12:37.30 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 12:37.40 | man_in_ltop | then how will that link help him? :L) |
| 12:37.40 | man_in_ltop | :) |
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| 12:38.33 | zamuro | man_in_ltop: Outlook has a built-in support for hotmail, since they got the same owner. |
| 12:38.56 | canine_kouji | zamuro: how does OE/Outlook connect? |
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| 12:40.14 | zamuro | canine_kouji: Trough http. At least, that's what I read. I remember I once configured outlook to check hotmail and there was a http connection in the settings. |
| 12:40.30 | canine_kouji | :/ |
| 12:41.13 | zamuro | Oh... Here they are!! http://myforum.lasyk.net/archive/index.php/t-9251.html |
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| 12:42.40 | zamuro | LOL... If you're dumb enough to "register" somewhere and give em your hotmail password |
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| 12:46.31 | jpin | Hi, is there any special reason for the 2.6.19 delay? |
| 12:46.45 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 12:46.46 | hark | etch |
| 12:47.11 | streuner | there won't be any 2.6.19 kernels (official) prolly |
| 12:47.15 | jelly-home | jpin: they can skip .19 now and go straight to .20 |
| 12:47.24 | hark | or later ;) |
| 12:47.34 | jpin | jelly-home: why should they do that? |
| 12:47.40 | jelly-home | jpin: why not? |
| 12:47.52 | jpin | jelly-home: :-) |
| 12:48.01 | jpin | any estimates on.. how much time? |
| 12:48.09 | jpin | for 2.6.19/20 |
| 12:48.27 | streuner | <streuner> there won't be any 2.6.19 kernels (official) prolly |
| 12:48.38 | jelly-home | jpin: nothing special about .19 I think... except for the ATA drivers reorganization |
| 12:48.44 | jpin | ah.. (sorry streuner ) how about .20? |
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| 12:49.38 | streuner | jpin: wir |
| 12:49.48 | jpin | jelly-home: the problem is my intel mobile processor has problems running any kernel version > 2.16 (the whole OS gets slow somehow) |
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| 12:50.13 | jpin | streuner: thanks alot for that visinary remark about the future |
| 12:50.46 | jelly-home | jpin: there's nothing stopping you from using a custom kernel, it's not that hard to do |
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| 12:50.55 | cbr | why does the dfsg3 package of iceweasel 2.0.0.1 ask for the profile on startup? |
| 12:51.02 | cbr | i already have firefox profiles |
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| 12:51.21 | jpin | jelly-home: i know... it's just that the debian way is so easy that i just wait :-) |
| 12:51.44 | Trewas | jpin: I'd assume there will be no new kernels in unstable until after etch is released, unless they postpone the release and decide to include something newer than 2.6.18 in etch |
| 12:52.01 | cbr | and it says that no profiles are available |
| 12:52.03 | cbr | what the hell |
| 12:52.06 | cbr | i have 2 profiles |
| 12:52.17 | cbr | what's going on? |
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| 12:53.07 | jpin | Trewas: hm.. i see |
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| 13:05.23 | fireba11 | cbr: they moved the profile or at least renamed the path due to browse-renaming |
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| 13:07.11 | dimitri_ | is there a way via the console to send a message to another user on the system ? |
| 13:07.18 | dimitri_ | a user that is currently ligged |
| 13:07.20 | dimitri_ | logged |
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| 13:08.14 | streuner | !info talk |
| 13:08.15 | alexIdoia | is there a way via the console to send a message to another user on the system ? |
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| 13:08.24 | dpkg | talk: (Chat with another user), section net, is optional. Version: 0.17-11 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
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| 13:08.46 | sep | alexIdoia, talk or write, and quit swapping nicks it's hopeless to answer you then |
| 13:08.56 | alexIdoia | sorry |
| 13:08.57 | alexIdoia | thanks |
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| 13:11.17 | yolkaplexus | hello anyone is using deadkeys ? |
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| 13:11.37 | yolkaplexus | i havent been able to set that on my linuxbox since the update too xorg 7.1 |
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| 13:12.01 | gulars_ | are there other places that I could use to change font sizes, besides the Control Center in kde? |
| 13:12.35 | DaveyB | Woo Hoo got evolution to download from hotmail. Man that was a bitch to do. |
| 13:12.51 | gulars_ | I've used the font size thingie there to set all fonts to 8pt, but for instance in Azureus, the text inside the window are larger than the text in the title bar :/ |
| 13:12.56 | yolkaplexus | gulars_: depends on the application |
| 13:13.00 | scx | gulars_: you can edit ~/.fonts |
| 13:13.12 | gulars_ | scx: thnx |
| 13:13.13 | yolkaplexus | azureus use gtk |
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| 13:13.35 | gulars_ | mk, so I have to use gnome's fontconfig? |
| 13:14.09 | DaveyB | gulars_, under Gnome goto Destop -- > Preferences --> Font |
| 13:14.23 | scx | gulars_: err: ~/.fonts.conf |
| 13:14.42 | scx | gulars_: no, kcontrol is great |
| 13:14.55 | gulars_ | DaveyB: so I'd have to start a new session with gnome then? |
| 13:14.58 | scx | gulars_: dunno why you need another place |
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| 13:15.07 | scx | no |
| 13:15.08 | gulars_ | :| |
| 13:15.24 | vlt | Hello. What's the best way to print a (pdf) file from shell to a CUPS printer? |
| 13:15.26 | scx | gulars_: what you want to do? |
| 13:15.27 | DaveyB | gulars_, I thought you were in gnome, you could just do it from the terminal as scx has stated |
| 13:15.41 | scx | vlt: pr |
| 13:16.07 | hark | for gnome apps, there's ~/.gtkrc-2.0 where you could set it |
| 13:16.11 | vlt | scx: Thanks. |
| 13:16.26 | gulars_ | scx, DaveyB: the text inside of azureus are a lot bigger than the text in other windows |
| 13:16.39 | gulars_ | hark: I'll try that :) |
| 13:16.41 | scx | gulars_: ah, that;s gtk app |
| 13:16.53 | scx | dunno about gtk apps |
| 13:16.56 | gulars_ | are firefox gtk based as well? |
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| 13:17.10 | yolkaplexus | yup |
| 13:17.15 | scx | that's why I use Opera and Konqui |
| 13:17.23 | gulars_ | then this starts to make sense :) |
| 13:17.25 | scx | !bad gtk |
| 13:17.31 | yolkaplexus | thats "why" ? lol |
| 13:18.03 | yolkaplexus | i dont have any k* app |
| 13:18.11 | scx | damn that gtk makes Firefox to take a loooong to open and to eat alot of ram |
| 13:18.40 | scx | but please don't make me start with GTK |
| 13:19.12 | gulars_ | scx: I think some of the reasoning for firefox to eat memory is caching of previous pages, especially if you, like me use tabs extensively |
| 13:19.53 | scx | gulars_: try deleting ~/.mozilla and restartin Fx |
| 13:19.59 | scx | you'll see no changes |
| 13:19.59 | gulars_ | !!! |
| 13:20.00 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 13:20.02 | gulars_ | no way |
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| 13:20.06 | scx | it's mainly gtk |
| 13:20.18 | gulars_ | there goes tabs, bookmarks etc etc |
| 13:20.37 | yolkaplexus | anyone have an idea how to set deadkeys on xorg 7.1 ? |
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| 13:20.47 | scx | Opera an Konqui too |
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| 13:21.15 | scx | the only thing Konqui can't do that Fx does is to load Gmail :p |
| 13:21.36 | scx | but I quit |
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| 13:21.50 | alexIdoia | ok I have tried write since talk refuse the connection all the time, but how do I do an end-of-file as written in the man write ? I have tried to type EOF but nothing happens and I have to cut the ps |
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| 13:23.01 | sep | alexIdoia, ctrl+c |
| 13:23.02 | vlt | scx: hmmm ... looks like `pr` is not the right tool for the task. Seems as if pr converts the file contents to text format (for later printing in text mode). I need a tool that prints the (mostly pdf) files to a CUPS printer. |
| 13:23.08 | fausto | hi |
| 13:23.11 | fausto | i have a problem |
| 13:23.21 | sep | vlt, pdf2ps ? |
| 13:23.29 | fausto | i'm trying to install debian netinst stable |
| 13:23.33 | scx | vlt: pr does it trough ps not txt |
| 13:23.37 | fausto | i see on the top of the minitor |
| 13:23.40 | fausto | monito |
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| 13:23.49 | fausto | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.49 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 13:23.58 | fausto | could not find kernel image: linux |
| 13:24.07 | vlt | sep; scx: Ok, but how to print it to the CUPS printer? |
| 13:24.19 | fausto | i try with linux26 but i have the same error |
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| 13:24.28 | fausto | do you know why? |
| 13:24.31 | scx | pr /home/vlt/myfile.pdf |
| 13:24.36 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I install a network printer using CUPS ? I got the printer IP adress |
| 13:25.07 | Jemt | I'm not sure whether I should use HTTP or what |
| 13:25.48 | scx | vlt: try lp too |
| 13:25.49 | fausto | can someone solve my problem please? |
| 13:25.57 | scx | or lpr |
| 13:26.01 | fausto | why the isolinux can't boot a kernel image |
| 13:26.07 | Jemt | Never mind, HTTP worked :) |
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| 13:30.56 | sep | faust_, sounds like a broken disk. try md5sum your disk, and compare with the imagefile your burnt from, and the md5sum on the website you dl from |
| 13:31.03 | gulars_ | another, azureus-related issue: whenever I start it, it want's to update.. fair enough, but when I try to do so, it downloads the updatefiles, and asks for a restart. when I launch it again then, it tells me that updating failed... |
| 13:31.05 | gulars_ | ideas? |
| 13:31.32 | gulars_ | I tried replacing the jar, but that stopped azureus from starting at all :/ |
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| 13:34.16 | Tamer | hi guys |
| 13:34.34 | Tamer | anyone can help me with macromedia flash ? |
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| 13:35.14 | gulars_ | DaveyB: btw, gnome-font-properties solved my issues :) |
| 13:35.19 | Supaplex | but it's non-free! |
| 13:35.36 | gulars_ | Tamer: what do you need help with? |
| 13:36.47 | Tamer | Hi gulars |
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| 13:37.12 | Tamer | i was asking if there's a macromedia flash for linux |
| 13:37.24 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.40 | Tamer | i don't mean the player , i mean the design programme itself |
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| 13:37.47 | Tamer | do u have any idea abt it ? |
| 13:37.48 | stoned | its cold |
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| 13:37.58 | stoned | Tamer: no |
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| 13:38.08 | stoned | Tamer: you can however wine it maybe |
| 13:38.20 | stoned | Tamer: I have never seen any kind of a flash creating tool for linux |
| 13:38.28 | Tamer | aha |
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| 13:38.49 | gulars_ | Tamer: sec |
| 13:38.55 | gulars_ | what version btw? |
| 13:39.03 | Tamer | any version |
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| 13:39.19 | gulars_ | there are flash cration tools in the works, uira I think is making some headway |
| 13:39.34 | Tamer | aha |
| 13:39.37 | fausto | excuse me.. |
| 13:39.45 | fausto | can someone solve my problem with isolinux?? |
| 13:39.48 | Tamer | but i want macromedia flash itself for teaching purposes |
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| 13:40.07 | Tamer | gulars_ :thank u for ur help |
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| 13:40.10 | stoned | what is isolinux? |
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| 13:40.35 | gulars_ | Tamer: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=23 |
| 13:40.36 | fausto | isolinux 2.04 2003-04-16 |
| 13:40.38 | fausto | sotto mi dice |
| 13:40.46 | fausto | oops i was using italian |
| 13:40.53 | fausto | under i see |
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| 13:41.02 | fausto | could not find kernel image: linux |
| 13:41.08 | bingofuel | hello, how can i deactivate the scsi component in the instalation of debbian, this package doesn't allow me to continue the instalation. |
| 13:41.11 | fausto | if i try to insert linux26 |
| 13:41.19 | hark | fausto: maybe a bios issue? try some options see F2. like pnp stuff or linux26 |
| 13:41.19 | fausto | i get an error |
| 13:41.31 | stoned | http://www.programurl.com/a2-flash-slideshow-editor.htm |
| 13:41.38 | stoned | thats al I could find |
| 13:41.48 | stoned | nonfree |
| 13:41.50 | stoned | closed source |
| 13:41.57 | stoned | but it says linux in there |
| 13:42.11 | hark | i had this problem with grml on an old laptop before.. |
| 13:42.38 | hark | fausto: or ss if it runs on another pc to check the cd |
| 13:42.43 | fausto | hark, if i hit f2 i can't see anything |
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| 13:43.02 | stoned | fausto: isolinux is a website |
| 13:43.28 | fausto | stoned, in my opinion is the boot agent for debian installer |
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| 13:43.39 | stoned | on nm its linuxiso |
| 13:43.40 | Redhatter | And stoned would be incorrect |
| 13:43.48 | gulars_ | Tamer: http://www.flameproject.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 13:43.58 | stoned | fausto: oh the debian iso? |
| 13:44.09 | fausto | i'll run it on this pc.. |
| 13:44.19 | stoned | Redhatter: about what? |
| 13:44.30 | Redhatter | stoned, ISOLinux is not a website |
| 13:44.31 | fausto | yes |
| 13:44.33 | Gnea | this is a silly off-topic question, but does anyone here own a motorola razr phone? |
| 13:44.34 | fausto | stoned, yes |
| 13:44.39 | fausto | on the debian iso |
| 13:44.40 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.52 | fausto | ok.. i'll try the cd on this pc |
| 13:44.56 | Redhatter | http://syslinux.zytor.com/iso.php <-- It's the ISO/El'Torito flavour of SYSLinux |
| 13:45.01 | Gnea | i want to know if the v3 has a mini-sd card slot |
| 13:45.05 | fausto | see you again later |
| 13:45.06 | qwertz | Hi, is there a "roadmap" when etch will get stable? |
| 13:45.13 | Gnea | or if it's only available on the v3i |
| 13:45.23 | stoned | Redhatter: you're .. you just shush |
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| 13:45.44 | Redhatter | stoned, What... correct in this instance? ;-) |
| 13:45.46 | hark | qwertz: check bugs.debian.org/release-critical and it's wir |
| 13:45.56 | stoned | Redhatter: not if I have already corrected myself |
| 13:46.04 | Redhatter | :-P |
| 13:46.11 | stoned | Redhatter: which I had done well before you chimed in |
| 13:46.16 | stoned | but thanks |
| 13:46.22 | stoned | i guess |
| 13:46.48 | Redhatter | Heh... it's part of my nature... I have a habit of correcting people, for better or worse. |
| 13:46.54 | stoned | its all good |
| 13:47.19 | cbr | another regression with the new iceweasel package: external links arent opening in the currently open browser |
| 13:47.20 | Azar | 3 bugs closed, 5 new bugs opened |
| 13:47.32 | stoned | Azar: shouldn't you be at work |
| 13:47.43 | Azar | stoned: just woke up, preparing to go :) |
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| 13:48.08 | stoned | damn I been going to bed at like 10:00pm lately |
| 13:48.13 | Azar | big hangover too much beer last night |
| 13:48.16 | stoned | around there, I can't stay up past that |
| 13:48.27 | stoned | now I just wake up every morning early |
| 13:48.31 | Azar | is 5:50 am here |
| 13:48.41 | Redhatter | 11:48PM here |
| 13:48.42 | stoned | 7:48 am here. Where are you |
| 13:48.44 | stoned | cali? |
| 13:48.47 | Azar | yep |
| 13:48.49 | stoned | ahh |
| 13:49.04 | stoned | I used to go to bed at this time |
| 13:49.09 | stoned | and wake up at lik 5pm |
| 13:49.20 | LLcoolM | i just deleted almost every ebook i had on linux |
| 13:49.21 | stoned | I dunno how I pulled it off, but I fixed my sleeping pattern |
| 13:49.26 | stoned | LLcoolM: good for you |
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| 13:49.41 | stoned | you know even when the smartest people learn from books, they don't burn em |
| 13:49.46 | stoned | keep em for reference. |
| 13:49.49 | LLcoolM | stoned: they had become worthless |
| 13:49.55 | LLcoolM | because too old |
| 13:50.14 | stoned | dude I've got books from college that are too old |
| 13:50.19 | stoned | I don't throw em away |
| 13:50.28 | stoned | same analogy applies to ebooks |
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| 13:50.42 | stoned | I've got some I downloaded, I've never read em.. yet |
| 13:50.48 | stoned | but I won't delete em dammit! |
| 13:50.52 | LLcoolM | stoned: stuff about kernel 2.4 or suse 7 etc. is obsolte |
| 13:50.54 | Redhatter | Yeah... some fields you can do that... IT tends to move quickly though. |
| 13:50.54 | LLcoolM | +e |
| 13:51.08 | Azar | yep for example the Douglas E Comer - Networking book is still rocking |
| 13:51.10 | vlt | On my desktop system (ubuntu) printing a file to a CUPS printer works with `lpr -H server:631 -P HPLaserjet1200 file.pdf`. On Debian I get "error - unknown option 'H'!". How does this work here? |
| 13:51.14 | stoned | LLcoolM: true true, but just like a bong, you should never throw away a book kid |
| 13:51.15 | Redhatter | A reference for building drivers for Linux kernel 0.0.3 is hardly useful today. |
| 13:51.18 | Supaplex | stoned: toss them on a cdr :) |
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| 13:52.08 | Redhatter | A reference covering some Electrical Engineering field, for example... would be worth keeping. :-) |
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| 13:52.29 | stoned | Supaplex: why, I've got 1 TB |
| 13:52.36 | stoned | I've used like 10% of it |
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| 13:52.37 | stoned | :) |
| 13:52.51 | cbr | iceweasel -new-tab fails horribly |
| 13:53.10 | Supaplex | stoned: because it'll free up my disk space ;) |
| 13:53.28 | fausto | the cd is ok |
| 13:53.32 | stoned | well of course, thats what deleting files does |
| 13:53.33 | stoned | I think |
| 13:53.37 | stoned | :) |
| 13:53.42 | fausto | hark, the cd is ok |
| 13:53.42 | fausto | :> |
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| 13:53.49 | fausto | but i can't start boot |
| 13:53.52 | fausto | emm |
| 13:53.57 | fausto | i can't start installation |
| 13:54.02 | Supaplex | !tell fausto -about enter |
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| 13:55.45 | fausto | i'm watching some parameters on the bios |
| 13:55.45 | fausto | installed so: others or s/o PnP |
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| 13:56.07 | Gnea | terrific |
| 13:56.13 | Supaplex | fausto: so far I gather you're trying to install debian from a cd? |
| 13:56.16 | Gnea | i have no idea if anyone responded to my earlier question :/ |
| 13:56.33 | Supaplex | Gnea: not in the last 4 minutes |
| 13:56.33 | zamuro | Gnea: Which was...? |
| 13:56.35 | Azar | awwww I missed the debate |
| 13:57.00 | zamuro | Azar: I always miss em. Don't worry :P |
| 13:57.04 | fausto | yes i'm trying to install debian from a stable cd |
| 13:57.06 | fausto | netinst |
| 13:57.18 | Azar | the debian DPL election ? |
| 13:57.18 | fausto | i have a problem with isolinux |
| 13:57.22 | Supaplex | Gnea: ask again =) |
| 13:57.45 | hark | fausto: yes, thought so. don't remember what i used though. did you try linux26 as well? |
| 13:57.52 | Azar | oh no, is on March 16th :) |
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| 13:58.13 | fausto | hark, could not find kernel image: linux26 |
| 13:58.14 | fausto | ah |
| 13:58.24 | sidjster | expert26 is the same? |
| 13:58.32 | fausto | yes |
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| 13:58.58 | fausto | i can't see the beautifull debian image on the screen. i can see only few text line |
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| 13:59.11 | zamuro | fausto: Are you trying to install Sarge? |
| 13:59.23 | fausto | no |
| 13:59.25 | fausto | last stable.. |
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| 13:59.35 | fausto | is sarge? |
| 13:59.36 | Azar | are mortals allowed to assist at the debates? |
| 13:59.37 | hark | fausto: you are! |
| 13:59.39 | Gnea | heh, it was an off-topic question. i wanted to know if anyone here owns a motorola razr v3 phone and if so, does it have a mini-sd slot? |
| 14:00.04 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 14:00.08 | zamuro | Gnea: Why don't you go to Motorola website and look it for yourself? |
| 14:00.18 | fausto | hark, what? |
| 14:00.36 | hark | fausto: installing sarge (3.1) |
| 14:00.46 | fausto | ok |
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| 14:00.53 | fausto | i love sarge.. |
| 14:00.54 | fausto | :> |
| 14:01.23 | fausto | but what is the problem now |
| 14:01.27 | stoned | I have not used sarge as a regular desktop in years and years and years |
| 14:01.44 | Azar | stoned: because you were busy at dell |
| 14:01.48 | Azar | :) |
| 14:01.56 | stoned | sigh |
| 14:02.04 | stoned | I'm never gonna hear the end of this am I |
| 14:02.18 | Azar | ..until you get a new job |
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| 14:02.24 | stoned | heh |
| 14:02.30 | hark | fausto: http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=grml_0.7 , not sure if i used linux26 to fix it but... |
| 14:02.31 | stoned | I think I'm going to seattle |
| 14:02.37 | stoned | or I might go to california |
| 14:02.44 | stoned | Azar: didn't you wanna move in with me |
| 14:02.47 | Azar | yep come here |
| 14:02.50 | Gnea | stoned: seattle :) |
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| 14:02.59 | Azar | no, YOU move with me |
| 14:03.04 | stoned | lol ok |
| 14:03.09 | Gnea | stoned: if you go to cali, make it southern cali lol |
| 14:03.15 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 14:03.17 | stoned | near the good pot |
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| 14:03.32 | stoned | Azar: where are you? |
| 14:03.39 | Azar | stoned: Los Angeles |
| 14:03.48 | stoned | alright let me think about it |
| 14:03.53 | Azar | ok |
| 14:04.09 | stoned | plus I gotta talk it over with the woman |
| 14:04.15 | stoned | god what the fuck an |
| 14:04.23 | stoned | I find myself saying that now a lot |
| 14:04.27 | Azar | you got a woman in your life? |
| 14:04.36 | stoned | about to be married man |
| 14:04.40 | stoned | I've always had a woman |
| 14:04.44 | stoned | I've never not had a gf |
| 14:04.48 | Azar | nice, congrats |
| 14:04.50 | stoned | but its been the same woman all my life |
| 14:04.57 | stoned | so now I gotta talk to her about stuff |
| 14:05.00 | zamuro | stoned: You've always had a woman... yo momma lol |
| 14:05.01 | stoned | its weird man |
| 14:05.05 | graytron | must be a great woman |
| 14:05.11 | fausto | i think that there is some wrong paramenters on bios |
| 14:05.13 | fausto | but where |
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| 14:05.26 | Gnea | zamuro: good point - okay yeah, the v3 doesn't have it but the v3i does. thanks :) |
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| 14:05.37 | zamuro | Gnea: NP. |
| 14:06.03 | stoned | Azar: /msg |
| 14:06.11 | Azar | ok |
| 14:07.10 | Gnea | cuz it'd sure be nice if this phone works well with debian |
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| 14:08.15 | fausto | hark, the correct way is explained on the readmen on the cd |
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| 14:08.25 | fausto | i must use a floppy |
| 14:08.33 | fausto | created with dd from an image |
| 14:08.36 | fausto | and boot from it |
| 14:08.41 | fausto | and then from cdrom |
| 14:08.52 | fausto | :< i haven't a cable for the floppy.. |
| 14:08.57 | fausto | ;< |
| 14:09.50 | hark | fausto: yeah, similar to the bootmgr recommendation .. or if it's not a production system, try etch. It's going to be stable soon.. |
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| 14:10.07 | hark | .. this year |
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| 14:13.33 | defcon8 | how do I list all hard disk devices in grub? |
| 14:13.56 | RichiH | anyone aware of a script/program to rename all photograph according to the date that is saved in their EXIF information? |
| 14:14.17 | RichiH | defcon8: root (<tab> |
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| 14:15.42 | fausto | hark, this is a server |
| 14:15.43 | fausto | i need stable |
| 14:15.56 | fausto | by the way i'm trying with sbm |
| 14:16.36 | defcon8 | RichiH, I do that but it's just tabbing |
| 14:16.36 | defcon8 | if you know what I mean |
| 14:16.51 | RichiH | defcon8: well, it should list them when tabbing, no? |
| 14:17.04 | RichiH | defcon8: else, you could try ls, though i do not know if that works |
| 14:17.15 | RichiH | defcon8: help will show all available commands, though |
| 14:17.27 | defcon8 | it just gives spaces |
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| 14:18.29 | defcon8 | .j #grub |
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| 14:18.31 | defcon8 | whoops |
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| 14:18.49 | Blackhold2 | hello |
| 14:18.53 | Blackhold2 | could some one help me? |
| 14:19.00 | zamuro | !ask |
| 14:19.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:19.32 | Blackhold2 | I'm trying to copy some files that has colons of windows, there's some way to copy them? |
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| 14:19.36 | Blackhold2 | make a forced copy? |
| 14:19.38 | zamuro | Once this settlement is stablished... What can we do for ya? |
| 14:20.14 | zamuro | Already tried that? |
| 14:20.16 | guiden_ | Can I choose if I want kde or gnome during the installation of debain? |
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| 14:20.42 | zamuro | guiden_: Depends... Are you making a netinstall? |
| 14:20.47 | petemc | Blackhold2: mv -- file:name newfilename |
| 14:21.07 | zamuro | If so, only gnome will be installed, unless you deliberately choose it via aptitude. |
| 14:21.08 | guiden_ | I'm downloading the dvd iso |
| 14:21.16 | SlayerXP | guiden_: don't |
| 14:21.19 | guiden_ | why |
| 14:21.25 | guiden_ | I only have dvd cd's |
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| 14:21.49 | Blackhold2 | petemc: but I have a lot of files |
| 14:21.49 | SlayerXP | guiden_: you only need about 150Mb of packages for a workstation install |
| 14:22.13 | SlayerXP | guiden_: download the net install image instead. |
| 14:22.31 | guiden_ | ok |
| 14:22.33 | guiden_ | but |
| 14:23.53 | guiden_ | ah |
| 14:24.12 | zamuro | -_-U |
| 14:24.41 | guiden_ | is that a devil sign? |
| 14:24.50 | zamuro | guiden_: Nope... |
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| 14:24.57 | guiden_ | what is it then |
| 14:25.11 | zamuro | have you seen Japanese animation? |
| 14:25.19 | guiden_ | eh yeah |
| 14:25.34 | guiden_ | but which series? |
| 14:25.44 | guiden_ | anime |
| 14:25.47 | zamuro | Well... the sweat drop that characters got in the side of their heads. |
| 14:25.54 | guiden_ | aha |
| 14:26.06 | guiden_ | :) |
| 14:26.25 | zamuro | I was tryin to make a sweatdrop myself... |
| 14:26.39 | Smari | What would be the right way to get sound back up after installing ALSA? I was doing fine with OSS, but it wasn't great, so I installed alsa-base from apt and now I get no sound at all. Got two cards on the system, an onboard via-82xx chip that doesn't work and a functional es1371 card that I want to get working. Got the module probed in but it's not in use by anything. Any ideas? |
| 14:26.56 | guiden_ | yeah I got it now, a bit cryptic if you don't know it :p |
| 14:27.17 | bingofuel | the installation say "reading all physical volumes. This may take a a while..... tar:Invalid tar magic :S |
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| 14:30.48 | Mage_ | hello |
| 14:31.14 | Mage_ | I have to install Debian on 50 machines, is it possible to do this in "one shot" ? |
| 14:31.25 | SlayerXP | Mage_: yes |
| 14:31.31 | Mage_ | how ? :-) |
| 14:31.31 | SlayerXP | Mage_: FAI |
| 14:32.05 | Mage_ | http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ ? |
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| 14:33.12 | Mage_ | ok it's that, thanks |
| 14:33.28 | clif4d | RichiH: Use exiv2 to rename photos according to EXIF info (also timeshift photos from a different timezone etc.) |
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| 14:34.33 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 14:35.16 | Reiser_X | Question: i have installed gdm, kdm and xdm, how can i choose one of this? |
| 14:35.49 | zamuro | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 14:36.40 | Reiser_X | thanks zamuro, are you japanesse? |
| 14:36.42 | Reiser_X | jejejejej |
| 14:36.46 | Reiser_X | Zakuro |
| 14:37.19 | scv | jejeje? |
| 14:37.29 | Reiser_X | heheheheh |
| 14:37.30 | zamuro | Nope, Venezuelan. Zamuro is like a vulture. |
| 14:37.37 | Reiser_X | zamuro |
| 14:37.42 | Reiser_X | i am from venezuela too |
| 14:37.48 | Reiser_X | es una broma |
| 14:38.01 | zamuro | Really? Where in Venezuela? |
| 14:38.06 | Reiser_X | Caracas |
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| 14:38.12 | Reiser_X | you? |
| 14:38.20 | zamuro | Ah, OK... I'm from Barquisimeto. |
| 14:38.51 | Reiser_X | are you actually in barquisimeto? |
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| 14:39.18 | zamuro | Yup. |
| 14:39.29 | nfx | is there a way to lock a file's permissions? |
| 14:40.03 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 14:40.04 | Reiser_X | well |
| 14:40.16 | Reiser_X | estoy a la orden |
| 14:40.41 | zamuro | Reiser_X: Thanks, dude... If you want some spanish debian channel, u can try #debian-es or #linux-es |
| 14:41.42 | Reiser_X | hummm |
| 14:41.43 | Reiser_X | ok |
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| 14:54.57 | Flimzy | I remember hearing about a tool that allows a person to install Debian on a non-Debian system... i.e. to do a RedHat to Debian migration. Does this tool still exist? Is it useable? what's it called? :) |
| 14:55.40 | h3sp4wn | debian takeover - not sure whether its upto date |
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| 14:56.37 | cydork | h3sp4wn: debian takeover will turn it into woody iirc. |
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| 14:57.00 | infernix | nah |
| 14:57.03 | infernix | its simpler |
| 14:57.05 | Flimzy | I'll google for debian takeover then... thanks guys. |
| 14:57.14 | Smari | cydork: Will it work for Windows too? :P |
| 14:57.16 | infernix | Flimzy: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 14:58.49 | cydork | infernix: debtakeover works differently :P |
| 14:58.56 | rpc | is there a place where one can grab fresh debianized kernel, e.g. 2.6.19 or 2.6.20? |
| 14:59.27 | yolkaplexus | you want mine :) ? |
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| 14:59.40 | rpc | yolkaplexus if i can trust you then yes :) |
| 15:00.00 | yolkaplexus | i was joking mine is too much customised for my laptop |
| 15:00.13 | gypsymauro | hi, I've installed etch recompiling my kernel but when I shotdown the machine it doesn't reboots neither halt, something wrong with apci? |
| 15:00.15 | yolkaplexus | Linux hammer 2.6.20 #1 SMP Thu Feb 8 18:24:51 CET 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:00.17 | infernix | cydork: i see that; interesting, taking over without reboot. probably more prone to errors as well :) |
| 15:00.18 | rpc | i read you, yolkaplexus |
| 15:00.24 | Flimzy | rpc: Yeah... in /usr/src after you make-kpkg |
| 15:00.33 | Reiser_X | zamuro |
| 15:00.42 | Reiser_X | the spanish channel is no so good |
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| 15:01.16 | rpc | Flimzy it's not this easy for me to prepare kernel as i need to do that on a remote box that i can't physically access, so if something goes wrong... |
| 15:01.26 | cydork | infernix: i remember trying it once. didn't have any problems iirc :P |
| 15:01.46 | Reiser_X | i need to add comm.jar to my classpath, how can i do that |
| 15:02.31 | infernix | cydork: would be sweet if combined as payload for a virus. i'd name it Debian.TWD |
| 15:02.48 | cydork | infernix: heh |
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| 15:02.59 | Reiser_X | i need to add comm.jar to my classpath, how can i do that? |
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| 15:06.56 | vick | Hello, when i do ifconfig, i only find lo and eth0, but i also have another wireless interface which i can't find |
| 15:08.04 | cydork | vick: which card do you have? if firmware is loaded check ifconfig -a |
| 15:08.45 | vick | cydork, well i got this time eth1, eth2, sit0 |
| 15:08.50 | vick | more i mean. |
| 15:09.04 | vick | cydork, it's not a matter of configuring them and making them up, right ? |
| 15:09.11 | vick | it's now* |
| 15:09.16 | cydork | vick: yep . |
| 15:09.33 | vick | cydork, Thanks :D |
| 15:09.40 | vick | cydork, Do you know any GUI Wireless tool ? |
| 15:10.16 | cydork | vick: there is something called as wifi-radar, i think gnome and kde have their utilites for that too. |
| 15:10.49 | vick | cydork, Thanks a lot :D |
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| 15:13.08 | b52laptop | do you a corp that sell domaine names and support dyndns ? |
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| 15:15.26 | mina_linux_Tux | i'm running PHP 4.3.10-16 on debian sarge , i used to install the PHP5 from backports using apt , but i want to make it the default PHP how to do so ?, isn't it the apt-get update it or am i wrong , if i'm please point me even in case of off-topic |
| 15:15.31 | RichiH | clif4d: belated thanks |
| 15:15.42 | xand | b52laptop: offtopic, but any that let you use others' NSes will |
| 15:16.13 | b52laptop | xand, hm ok thks |
| 15:16.56 | mina_linux_Tux | no comment ? |
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| 15:17.15 | rpc | mina_linux_Tux do you yahoo? |
| 15:18.27 | mina_linux_Tux | rpc: i think i have to do so based of some basic knowledge or pointers |
| 15:18.41 | mina_linux_Tux | rpc: * based on |
| 15:18.44 | parsonsd | how does one restart e without the mouse menus? |
| 15:19.04 | Flimzy | rpc: I do remote kernel upgrades all day long in my sleep. |
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| 15:19.30 | yawg | what could cause my server's hda1 to go read-only at the same time every morning for the last 3 days? |
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| 15:19.48 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: if you remove all the php4 packages, the only thing left will be php5 |
| 15:19.58 | petemc | yawg: anything in dmesg or messages? |
| 15:20.05 | rpc | Flimzy if box doesn't boot i'm screwed... |
| 15:20.06 | parsonsd | maybe i should ask the right question: how does one get the program menu from etch's enlightenment? i've lost mine.... the settings menu comes up, |
| 15:20.13 | yawg | petemc: where would i check that? |
| 15:20.27 | petemc | yawg: in /var/log/ |
| 15:20.34 | rpc | Flimzy you probably have balls of steel or similar :) |
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| 15:20.47 | infernix | yawg: your /etc/fstab probably contains 'errors=remount,ro' so something might be triggering that, even though I wouldn't know how as i think that only applies at boot time |
| 15:21.35 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: and what about any configurations already made, and where is anything concerned with what's called __package update__, or even at least the ENV vars. |
| 15:21.44 | yawg | hah, infernix: yes that is correct |
| 15:22.15 | yawg | it is, errors=remount-ro |
| 15:22.23 | yawg | i changed it to, errors=remount-rw |
| 15:22.39 | yawg | i'm assuming in my case i should use the '-' instead of ',' |
| 15:22.48 | infernix | yawg: better to find out why it remounted, as one can conclude that if that happened, errors were found :) |
| 15:22.53 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: I suppose you'll have to redo the configuration, since it's a new major version |
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| 15:23.16 | yawg | infernix: what might cause this to happen at around 6 to 6:30am every morning for the last 3 days? |
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| 15:23.28 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: I don't get the bit about env. vars though |
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| 15:23.42 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: so what's case if i want to only update it ?, |
| 15:23.50 | infernix | yawg: cat /etc/crontab, see run-parts lines which'll point you to /etc/cron.daily/* |
| 15:24.23 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: you want to upgrade already existing packages? |
| 15:24.33 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: s/existing/installed/ |
| 15:25.02 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: what do mean , |
| 15:25.49 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: what is your native language? Your english is not very comprehensible, sorry |
| 15:25.57 | yawg | infernix: huh, there are 4 things, and 3 of them run at 6am |
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| 15:26.07 | Flimzy | rpc: heh |
| 15:26.17 | yawg | infernix: daily, weekly, and monthly |
| 15:26.26 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: i have php4.3 i want to upgrade it to 4.4 or even 5 , i don't think that every new version of any software to install it i have to reconfigure my system to support , so what is upgrade means then ? |
| 15:26.27 | Wolfcastle | I'm guessing she speaks spanish |
| 15:26.29 | infernix | yawg: only daily runs each day |
| 15:26.41 | infernix | yawg: and you mentioned "in the last 3 days" |
| 15:26.49 | Wolfcastle | I can translate ;-) |
| 15:27.37 | LLcoolM | is there a program for linux to identify multiple copies of the same file on the harddisk? |
| 15:27.42 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: you will have to reconfigure from 4.3.10 to php5, since it's a new major release |
| 15:27.59 | LLcoolM | because i'd like to get rid of unnecessary doublets |
| 15:28.07 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: from that point on, you'll probably need just to do upgrades |
| 15:28.09 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: ok so and if i want to upgrade to php4.4 |
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| 15:28.27 | yepla | hi |
| 15:28.46 | yepla | i have a probleme i don't find the no smp kernel for linux |
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| 15:29.02 | yepla | when i install 2.6.18 it is a smp kernel |
| 15:29.09 | xand | yepla: there isn't one anymore. |
| 15:29.11 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: there is no php 4.4 in backports. |
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| 15:29.21 | yawg | well, since i recently installed ntp-server, and ntp-server is in the daily cron directory, i'm going to take a wild guess that *it* is causing the problem. i am now removing it |
| 15:29.39 | yepla | xand, What .? |
| 15:29.56 | xand | yepla: debian only has smp kernels, but they work fine on single CPU machines |
| 15:30.07 | xand | s/debian/etc/ |
| 15:30.10 | xand | +h |
| 15:30.21 | yepla | argg |
| 15:30.31 | yepla | but my wifi driver doesn't accept smp kernel |
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| 15:30.58 | yepla | xand, what i must do |
| 15:31.02 | xand | er |
| 15:31.21 | cydork | yepla: you have ht enabled? |
| 15:31.30 | cydork | yepla: or a true smp? |
| 15:31.33 | dromer | hi, how can I get the scrollwheel of my mouse to work? (using blackbox for wm btw, don't know if this matters), when I use the mouse of my other pc over synergy I can scroll |
| 15:31.42 | yepla | cyberdo, i don't know |
| 15:31.48 | yepla | how i can see that |
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| 15:32.21 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: if your app works with php5, probably the best thing to do is to set up a test environment with php5, make sure all the other stuff works as well, then replace php4 with php5 on the production machine too |
| 15:32.27 | benklop | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.38 | cydork | yepla: which cpu do you have?? |
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| 15:32.47 | yepla | hmmm |
| 15:32.57 | yepla | centrino i think |
| 15:33.22 | yepla | but i am not sure |
| 15:34.12 | cydork | yepla: it's a laptop? |
| 15:34.17 | yepla | yes |
| 15:34.19 | Reiser_X | use lshw |
| 15:34.36 | Reiser_X | apt-get install lshw |
| 15:34.40 | Wolfcastle | dromer: edit xorg.conf, think you have to add or edit the "Option "Buttons" "X"" line in "Input Device" |
| 15:34.52 | yepla | ok |
| 15:35.22 | Solak | hmmm. I'm thinking about moving to 'testing' (from 'stable'), but what are the security issues, and what's up with Mozilla (I read something but it's not al clear to me yet). |
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| 15:35.43 | yepla | description: CPU |
| 15:35.43 | yepla | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.44 | yepla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.55 | cydork | yepla: well then recompile your kernel with CONFIG_SMP=n, but it's a wastage :) |
| 15:36.03 | dromer | Wolfcastle: I don't have that exact Option |
| 15:36.14 | yepla | ther are not an other option ? |
| 15:36.23 | yepla | that reconfigure my kernel |
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| 15:36.51 | x--_____1 | just get a kernel without smp |
| 15:37.07 | jelly-home | x--_____1: there isn't one, any more |
| 15:37.16 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: whatever in backports o wherever if i want to upgrade php and without loosing my configs , what a pointer you do provide me with ? |
| 15:37.36 | rpc | no more smp/non-smp kernels... they are universal since sometime |
| 15:37.38 | cydork | yepla: nope i guess it's dual core. all debian kernels have CONFIG_SMP=y by default. |
| 15:37.49 | rpc | and for dual core get -k7 one |
| 15:37.59 | yepla | how can i take the config kernel and remake after |
| 15:38.30 | x01 | =/ |
| 15:38.37 | yepla | where is located the config kernel plz |
| 15:38.46 | yepla | installed with apt |
| 15:38.50 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: you'll _have to_ convert the php4 config to php5 if you want to use it, no way around it |
| 15:38.54 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.57 | cydork | yepla: /msg dpkg kernel package |
| 15:39.04 | Wolfcastle | dromer: take a look at this page http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/sdeg/scroll-wheel-mouse.htm |
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| 15:39.17 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: they don't use the same php.ini files |
| 15:39.56 | dromer | thnx Wolfcastle, I'll look into it |
| 15:41.04 | yepla | thx for all i will reconfigure my kernel |
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| 15:41.54 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: last thing even tell me how to remove the php5 that already i installed without harming my current running php |
| 15:42.08 | jm|laptop | is anyone else having problems with Azureus? |
| 15:42.28 | jm|laptop | mine keeps showing active transfers at 0 kB/s |
| 15:42.32 | HymnToLife | jm|laptop, besides the fact that it sucks, I don't :p |
| 15:42.38 | jm|laptop | if I stop and restart the transfer it picks up for a bit |
| 15:42.56 | Wolfcastle | jm|laptop: easy fix, use ktorrent ;-) |
| 15:43.00 | jm|laptop | HymnToLife: heh - I tried bt too but that also seems very slow |
| 15:43.04 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: you can just apt-get remove php5-common, that should do the trick... php4 won't be touched |
| 15:43.07 | jm|laptop | Wolfcastle: does that depend on qt? |
| 15:43.19 | HymnToLife | jm|laptop, maybe that's a connection prolem then |
| 15:43.22 | Wolfcastle | jm|laptop: i believe so, you use gnome right? |
| 15:43.32 | jm|laptop | I used to use rtorrent - I had no problem with it but then libtorrent broke :( |
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| 15:43.39 | jm|laptop | Wolfcastle: I use openbox / gtk2 mashup |
| 15:43.49 | Wolfcastle | i see too bad |
| 15:43.56 | jm|laptop | \: |
| 15:43.57 | infernix | jm|laptop: broke? whats wrong with libtorrent? |
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| 15:44.21 | jm|laptop | ooh |
| 15:44.27 | jm|laptop | maybe it has been fixed ... |
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| 15:45.19 | jm|laptop | YAYYAYAYAY |
| 15:45.22 | Reiser_X | hey |
| 15:45.25 | Reiser_X | i have a problem |
| 15:45.30 | xand | :O |
| 15:45.42 | mrex | how do i find my outbound ip? |
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| 15:46.05 | jelly-home | www.whatismyip.com ;-) |
| 15:46.08 | jm|laptop | 'outbound' ? |
| 15:46.13 | Reiser_X | i added PATH to .bashrc |
| 15:46.17 | Reiser_X | PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/jdk1.6.0/bin" |
| 15:46.17 | Reiser_X | export PATH |
| 15:46.26 | Reiser_X | but |
| 15:46.45 | mrex | im behind a router/firewall (or not), but i need the ip of that router |
| 15:47.14 | jm|laptop | mrex: visit www.whatismyip.com :) |
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| 15:47.23 | mrex | i.e. what is my address to the internet. I'm using it for a sshtunnel script |
| 15:47.28 | Reiser_X | when make echo PATH there is /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin |
| 15:47.29 | jm|laptop | or you could traceroute |
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| 15:47.37 | linux2 | anyone here know how to overclock your cpu with linux? |
| 15:47.49 | jelly-home | mrex: are you reading the lines on the channel? |
| 15:48.00 | mrex | jm|laptop, thanks, i'll try traceroute |
| 15:48.05 | rahul | linux2: if you know that little about overclocking your cpu, you shouldn't |
| 15:48.05 | linux2 | i went into my bios and overclocked it quite a bit but linux is still reporting the same cpu freq of 2.2GHZ |
| 15:48.20 | infernix | linux2: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:48.33 | linux2 | cpu MHz : 2200.000 |
| 15:48.41 | rahul | linux2: because that's what's in the chip itself. |
| 15:48.49 | infernix | linux2: then it's probably not overclocked, or oyu have frequency scaling turned on |
| 15:49.01 | mrex | jelly-home, nope, i just need to get my ip in a bash script, not just this once |
| 15:49.01 | infernix | rahul: actually no, cpuinfo's cpu Mhz should report the actual freq |
| 15:49.05 | yepla | what is the package where i can find types.h ? |
| 15:49.10 | yepla | all sys lib |
| 15:49.20 | linux2 | infernix: i turned off ACPI and powersaved |
| 15:49.26 | rahul | infernix: always? hmm |
| 15:49.27 | linux2 | just to be sure it wasn't one of them controlling it |
| 15:49.35 | infernix | rahul: unless the kernel's bugged |
| 15:49.44 | rahul | yeah, guess so |
| 15:49.45 | infernix | linux2: whats the bogomips value and what cpu are you running |
| 15:49.49 | Wolfcastle | mrex: try www.givememyoutboundip.com |
| 15:49.57 | Wolfcastle | mrex: ;-) |
| 15:50.01 | linux2 | infernix: bogomips : 4645.14 |
| 15:50.08 | yepla | what is the package where i can find types.h ? |
| 15:50.09 | mrex | lol;) |
| 15:50.10 | yepla | plz |
| 15:50.13 | zamuro | plays: "02 What If I Do.mp3" |
| 15:50.13 | linux2 | its an athlon 3500+ 2.2GHZ |
| 15:50.31 | infernix | linux2: bogomips/2 =~ clock so yeah its running at 2200 mhz give or take |
| 15:50.46 | rahul | well, it's running at 2300 mhz :) |
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| 15:50.50 | jelly-home | mrex: same thing, lynx -dump http://www.whatismyip.com | awk '/Your IP/ {print $NF}' |
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| 15:51.05 | rahul | mine is cpu MHz : 1460.679 bogomips : 2891.77 |
| 15:51.19 | cydork | yepla: /msg dpkg search. |
| 15:51.22 | linux2 | infernix: well i increased the cpu voltage and i increased my cpu clock from 200 to 350 (well thats how my processors bios works) |
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| 15:51.33 | cydork | yepla: did you install build-essential? |
| 15:51.35 | linux2 | if i change it back down to 200 you will see the same results |
| 15:51.47 | infernix | linux2: that surely isnt applying. check your bios, its probably reverting to failsafe. |
| 15:51.47 | linux2 | the cpu voltage is from 1.35V to 1.50V |
| 15:51.49 | mrex | ah, thanks jelly-home, that works, don't usually play with awk ;) |
| 15:52.01 | jm|laptop | infernix: did you ever have a problem with rtorrent and =>2.6.18 and failed hashes? |
| 15:52.05 | infernix | linux2: also, i suggest using memtest86+ (apt-get install memtest86+) and booting into that while overclocking |
| 15:52.07 | jelly-home | mrex: it'll break if they change the format though |
| 15:52.11 | yepla | cydork, no i install now |
| 15:52.13 | infernix | jm|laptop: yes, known problem, turn on safe_sync |
| 15:52.22 | linux2 | infernix: whys that? |
| 15:52.23 | jm|laptop | infernix: ..... how? |
| 15:52.24 | infernix | jm|laptop: or upgrade |
| 15:52.31 | jm|laptop | upgrade to? |
| 15:52.42 | infernix | jm|laptop: check the mailinglist for rtorrent. upgrade to 2.6.20 |
| 15:52.45 | grumbel | does anybody know a text editor that can handle large files (~500MB)? |
| 15:53.03 | jm|laptop | infernix: stock Debian kernel is 2.6.18? |
| 15:53.11 | jelly-home | grumbel: no, but if you find one please let us know |
| 15:53.24 | infernix | linux2: because a) memtest will show you the current running freqencies for cpu+ram and b) will give you a stability test (run test 5) |
| 15:53.33 | infernix | jm|laptop: *shrug* i build my own kernels |
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| 15:53.40 | jm|laptop | k |
| 15:53.43 | linux2 | infernix: how exactly do i boot into it? |
| 15:53.50 | infernix | linux2: do you use grub? |
| 15:54.01 | linux2 | infernix: yeah |
| 15:54.06 | linux2 | o wait |
| 15:54.07 | linux2 | let me check |
| 15:54.12 | infernix | linux2: then on debian, apt-get install memtest86+ should add an entry |
| 15:54.33 | linux2 | infernix: no, i use lilo |
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| 15:55.09 | linux2 | infernix: let me load up grub |
| 15:55.13 | linux2 | i think its on here somewhere |
| 15:55.47 | infernix | linux2: i guess it can work with lilo as well |
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| 15:55.58 | infernix | linux2: install memtest and check lilo.conf, maybe it gets added |
| 15:56.12 | jelly-home | infernix: what about leaving a kernel build with like make -j16 for a day or three? memtest86 doesn't catch everything |
| 15:57.01 | linux2 | infernix: nope, didn't get added |
| 15:57.48 | infernix | jelly-home: memtest86 is just the first step, and its perfect since it boots up instantly. besides, test 5 is fairly accurate for memory. for continued testing I run mprime |
| 15:58.31 | linux2 | grub just says this when i try to install it: |
| 15:58.31 | linux2 | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 15:58.32 | infernix | and also, memtest doesn't change anything, whereas a kernel with cpufreq might mess things up |
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| 16:02.16 | linux2 | ok, well brb |
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| 16:02.29 | daviey | Hi, i want to build a deb but it seems rather complicated. What i need to do is extract a tar / copy files on installation and delete the folder on removal. Are there any simple guides? |
| 16:02.47 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone know of any apps out there that can edit .vob files? |
| 16:03.30 | xand | vint-cerft: turn that off please |
| 16:04.10 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: mplayer/mencoder |
| 16:04.17 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: and whatever else in between |
| 16:04.47 | rahul | daviey: apt-get -b source <package> |
| 16:05.51 | daviey | I basically want a self extracting archieve that will clean up itself. It certainly isn't in the repos |
| 16:06.18 | rpc | is reiserfs faster than ext3? |
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| 16:07.31 | Wolfcastle | rpc: I read reiserfs is faster at handling large files and ext3 is better at small ones...or maybe it was the other way around ;-) |
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| 16:08.07 | tminos | reiser is faster with small files, especially if you have a larger quantity of small files. |
| 16:08.25 | Wolfcastle | ah thank you for claring that up |
| 16:08.43 | Wolfcastle | no wonder my computer almost collapsed when i copied a 7 gb file between partitions |
| 16:08.51 | Redhatter | Reiser is also more unreliable than EXT3 |
| 16:09.01 | capiira_ | hmm how to change to a directory with space in the name using the shell ? :) |
| 16:09.33 | Redhatter | capiira_, You need to escape the space. Either use quotes "like this" 'or this'... or use back slashes, like\ this |
| 16:09.35 | tminos | cd File\ With\ Space |
| 16:09.53 | capiira_ | ahh cool thanks :) |
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| 16:12.15 | Petrov | hoi |
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| 16:12.56 | jelly-home | tminos: ext3's dir_index feature makes it comparable in speed to reiserfs v3 when it comes to handling lots of files in a directory |
| 16:13.04 | Petrov | debian can't start my x |
| 16:13.18 | Ronin | Petrov: why not? |
| 16:13.27 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 16:13.47 | Petrov | Ronin: i don't know |
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| 16:15.04 | Petrov | Ronin: he start gdm, then flicker |
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| 16:15.53 | tminos | jelly-home: how does that compare with XFS? |
| 16:16.42 | jelly-home | tminos: haven't used xfs, sorry |
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| 16:18.15 | rahul | tminos: XFS is slow at removing lots of files from a directory |
| 16:19.25 | tminos | that isn't generally a concern with most servers |
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| 16:20.07 | Redhatter | XFS is a pretty good FS though... just suffers some quirks due to differences between SGI and x86 hardware. |
| 16:20.29 | tminos | yea. You -really- want to have a good UPS if you are relying on XFS |
| 16:20.29 | Redhatter | Ironically, one place XFS doesn't work, is Linux/MIPS. Particularly on 64-bit machines like the O2 and Octane. |
| 16:20.32 | rahul | tminos: that's why they don't care :) |
| 16:20.39 | rahul | Redhatter: heh, yeah... |
| 16:20.42 | tminos | heh, nice |
| 16:20.51 | rahul | tminos: why do you need a good UPS for XFS? |
| 16:21.04 | tminos | XFS is prone to dataloss if the power is cut suddenly |
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| 16:21.07 | rahul | not really. |
| 16:21.24 | Redhatter | rahul, XFS agressively caches stuff, and thus if it suddenly looses power, half-written files will be filled with nulls. |
| 16:21.34 | rahul | Redhatter: same with any FS |
| 16:21.37 | Redhatter | I've had that on system-critical files like /etc/fstab more than once. |
| 16:21.41 | Redhatter | rahul, No, worse. |
| 16:21.46 | rahul | no, it's not much worse. |
| 16:21.53 | Redhatter | Yes, it is |
| 16:21.56 | rahul | you're confusing the issue of FSes with different settings |
| 16:22.00 | Redhatter | EXT3 doesn't suffer it nearly as bad. |
| 16:22.12 | rahul | ... unless you disable data logging |
| 16:22.26 | Redhatter | It doesn't cache data as agressively as XFS does. |
| 16:22.43 | tminos | http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#nulls |
| 16:22.45 | amee2k | is a Celeron (Mendocino) 686 compatible? |
| 16:22.57 | tminos | XFS is more susceptible than other filesystems are. |
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| 16:23.14 | rahul | (the same is true of other filesystems) |
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| 16:23.50 | enouf | amee2k: a celery is 686 yes |
| 16:24.05 | amee2k | good :) |
| 16:24.07 | plutonas | where can i find a netinstall image for "testing" (all i see is for "stable") |
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| 16:24.15 | tminos | yes, but XFS doesn't handle it as well is all, iirc it has something to do with the voltage in the SGIs allowing the drives more time to sync before the system went completely offline |
| 16:24.25 | enouf | !tell vint-cerft: -about autoaway |
| 16:24.30 | amee2k | vint-cerft: could you turn that auto-away off please? |
| 16:24.57 | rahul | plutonas: there's a link in the stable install docs |
| 16:25.40 | rahul | tminos: oh, you probably have more primitive hard disks than most people who care about their data :) |
| 16:26.07 | tminos | heh. Well, I haven't had any problems with power loss in years, that's what UPS are for :) |
| 16:26.51 | enouf | plutonas: /msg dpkg ig ..see /devel/debian-installer url |
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| 16:27.16 | plutonas | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.17 | rahul | good disks can sync data in their caches when they lose power |
| 16:27.22 | plutonas | oups |
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| 16:29.06 | enouf | going for the lame-o-meter title? |
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| 16:31.52 | Flimzy | Is there any good reason to keep /var/lib/dpkg/*-old files around? |
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| 16:32.43 | rahul | Flimzy: they're backups |
| 16:32.52 | Flimzy | rahul: so i could safely remove them, right? |
| 16:32.56 | rahul | Flimzy: in case a dpkg bug corrupts them |
| 16:33.03 | streuner | Filmzy: wouldn't hurd to keep 2-5 MB on the HD? |
| 16:33.08 | rahul | Flimzy: they'll be recreated the next time you run dpkg |
| 16:33.13 | Flimzy | streuner: it can on a machine that doesn't have a HD :0 |
| 16:33.55 | Flimzy | streuner: This is a semi-embedded system. |
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| 16:34.07 | Flimzy | streuner: Every bit of removable cruft counts. |
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| 16:38.08 | dkr | vint-cerft: it's really not necessary to notify all 730+ of us every time you go afk. even if you are the father of the internet. :) |
| 16:38.34 | RichiH | vint-cerft: please turn that autoaway script off. |
| 16:38.42 | RichiH | !tell vint-cerft about away |
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| 16:38.50 | dkr | oh, I see people said that above. heh. now we are the ones being redundant. :) |
| 16:38.56 | RichiH | Krazy-J: please turn public away off |
| 16:39.04 | RichiH | !tell Krazy-J about away |
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| 16:41.24 | fernando | Hi! Do anyone know how to save system state (like hibernate) permanently to disk, so I can use that in any boot? |
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| 16:44.27 | sidjster | solid liquid is like a convex hole |
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| 16:45.04 | rahul | what if it's at the transition point? like a glass of water with ice in it? |
| 16:45.06 | tralala | fernando, I don't think you can do that easily |
| 16:45.15 | rahul | or what if it's ooblick? |
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| 16:45.34 | rahul | ooblick is solid if you hit it, liquid if you push it |
| 16:45.44 | Flimzy | sidjster: Glass is solid liquid. |
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| 16:45.54 | rahul | that too |
| 16:46.03 | sidjster | glass is cooled molten sand |
| 16:46.13 | Flimzy | molecularly, glass is supercooled liquid. |
| 16:46.28 | jelly-home | glass is cool! |
| 16:46.38 | Flimzy | Which is why it "drips" |
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| 16:46.47 | sidjster | so ice is supercooled water right? |
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| 16:46.52 | Flimzy | sidjster: No. |
| 16:46.58 | ewanm89 | hello |
| 16:46.59 | Flimzy | ice is h2o in solid form. |
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| 16:47.10 | Flimzy | glass is still a liquid, tho. |
| 16:47.15 | Flimzy | it's a very slow moving liquid. |
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| 16:47.29 | Flimzy | An ice cube won't drip. |
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| 16:47.33 | Flimzy | A pane of glass will. |
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| 16:47.46 | sidjster | erroding due to gravity |
| 16:47.48 | Flimzy | If you ever have the chance to examine a really old house... look at the windows. |
| 16:47.49 | zackglennie | I'm having some trouble with debootstrap: Failed getting release file |
| 16:47.55 | Flimzy | They're thicker on the bottom than the top |
| 16:48.03 | Flimzy | in an elongated tear-drop shape |
| 16:48.16 | Flimzy | gravity does not cause erosion. |
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| 16:48.30 | Flimzy | Well, I should say, gravity _alone_ does not cause it |
| 16:48.36 | zackglennie | right. The pane of glass is a thick, thick liquid. It is flowing toward the ground. |
| 16:48.41 | erchache | hi...how i can solve a problem with gpg keys for apt? |
| 16:48.42 | rahul | you can have erosion without gravity |
| 16:48.47 | erchache | i cant upgrade my system |
| 16:49.01 | famir | hi , i know it's not the place! but any on can help me with batch script ? |
| 16:49.03 | jelly-home | erchache: have you, err, read the topic? |
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| 16:49.16 | sidjster | if there was no gravity the glass wouldnt flow any more |
| 16:49.17 | Flimzy | correct me if I'm wrong... but erosion occurs when two substances rub against each other, right? Such as air and rock |
| 16:49.18 | rahul | of course, you can't have matter without gravity, if you want to get all picky :P |
| 16:49.19 | Flimzy | or water and sand |
| 16:49.24 | Flimzy | not gravity and glass :P |
| 16:49.27 | rahul | Flimzy: right |
| 16:49.39 | rahul | sidjster: that has nothing to do with erosion |
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| 16:49.50 | Flimzy | sidjster: That's not the definiotion of erosion, though. |
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| 16:50.07 | jelly-home | Flimzy: yes, but if gravity could erode glass, how much glass would gravity erode? |
| 16:50.13 | agent | im am getting a "permissions denied" from apache... intitial setup worked, but i changed the default directory from /var/www to a custom dir in my home folder (non-root) - how do i make apache work with this directory with non-root permissions? |
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| 16:50.24 | sidjster | i should have said flowing due to gravity instead |
| 16:50.25 | dkr | jelly-home: grody |
| 16:50.35 | Flimzy | sidjster: Yes... which means it's a liquid :) |
| 16:50.38 | Flimzy | solids do not flow. |
| 16:51.08 | Flimzy | I imagine a paine of glass in zero gravity would tend to ball-up, too. |
| 16:51.13 | sidjster | like an old womans boobs |
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| 16:51.34 | hatta | of course there's a difference between erosion and weathering too |
| 16:51.45 | Flimzy | weathering is a broad term |
| 16:51.51 | Flimzy | that can include erosion, currosion, and rot |
| 16:51.53 | sidjster | weathering would technically be errosion |
| 16:52.02 | Flimzy | sidjster: Only sometimes. |
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| 16:52.19 | larsl | Is there a Debian package for mencoder? |
| 16:52.21 | hatta | I think weathering and erosion are orthogonal |
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| 16:52.31 | sidjster | i love this room |
| 16:52.35 | rahul | hatta: because weathering is erosion due to weather |
| 16:52.39 | hatta | weathering = breakdown of the rock |
| 16:52.42 | erchache | jelly-home: i do that and doesnt goes on |
| 16:52.42 | larsl | apt-cache search mencoder doesn't return anything. |
| 16:52.44 | rahul | hrm |
| 16:52.44 | hatta | erosion = movement of the rock |
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| 16:52.49 | defcon8 | how do I start iptables? |
| 16:52.49 | rahul | huh? |
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| 16:52.58 | rahul | hatta: erosion doesn't not mean that whole thing moves. |
| 16:53.04 | sidjster | but glass is liquid so its impossible to errode |
| 16:53.08 | hatta | it means that the pieces move away |
| 16:53.11 | defcon8 | quite important |
| 16:53.13 | Flimzy | defcon8: If your Linux machine is running, and iptables is in the kernel, then iptables is running. |
| 16:53.14 | defcon8 | quick reply appreciated |
| 16:53.17 | defcon8 | okay |
| 16:53.19 | rahul | defcon8: you don't |
| 16:53.25 | sidjster | if its a liquid it has to evaporate also right? |
| 16:53.26 | Flimzy | sidjster: Glass could erode. |
| 16:53.28 | zackglennie | hey, does anyone know what's going wrong with my debootstrap? |
| 16:53.30 | defcon8 | I just installed it. would I need to restart? |
| 16:53.34 | hatta | so the cracks in a rockface caused by ice freeze/thaw cycles would be weathering, but when that rock turns into a rockslide that's erosion |
| 16:53.36 | zackglennie | it can't find the "release file' |
| 16:53.41 | jelly-home | erchache: I'm gone for a bit, but I think you could provide some more information... pastebin the command and the output |
| 16:53.43 | rahul | glass can behave as a solid on a short timescale. |
| 16:53.46 | Flimzy | sidjster: If you ran a steady stream of sand over a paine of glass, it would erode. |
| 16:53.56 | rahul | hatta: no, that's a rock slide |
| 16:53.59 | infernix | zackglennie: wrong source url? |
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| 16:54.14 | Flimzy | sidjster: For evaporation to occur, the air pressure has to be low enough. I would imagine that the air pressure on earth is not low enough to allow glass to evaporate in any noticable way. |
| 16:54.17 | ewanm89 | Strong nuclear force holds matter together. Gravity is not strong enough. |
| 16:54.31 | rahul | hatta: erosion is the slow breakup of the rock into little particles that get carried away by water or wind in suspension |
| 16:54.35 | hatta | air pressure doesn't affect evaporation |
| 16:54.38 | zackglennie | infernix: yes. apparently it defaulted to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/sarge/Release, but that wasn't there |
| 16:54.44 | hatta | only the partial pressure of whatever's evaporating |
| 16:54.47 | rahul | strong nuclear force doesn't hold the electrons together |
| 16:54.49 | zackglennie | infernix: I also tried http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 16:54.52 | rahul | nor does it hold atoms together. |
| 16:55.06 | infernix | zackglennie: try 'cdebootstrap' instead, and don't let it default to anywhere. |
| 16:55.11 | hatta | rahul, I think you have that backwards |
| 16:55.14 | pipeline | rahul, hatta : Glass is not a solid, but it behaves as a solid. It would require geometric timescales to say otherwise. |
| 16:55.28 | rahul | geometric timescales? |
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| 16:55.31 | hatta | http://www.scarborough.k12.me.us/high/projects/geoscience4/sbergg/erosion.htm |
| 16:55.31 | pipeline | rahul, hatta : Many solids would appear to flow due to erosion before glass flowed at all. |
| 16:55.31 | larsl | ...geometric timescales? |
| 16:55.42 | pipeline | geometric, geologic, whatever :P |
| 16:55.44 | zackglennie | infernix: debootstrap --arch ARCH sarge \ |
| 16:55.44 | zackglennie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.48 | zackglennie | er crap |
| 16:55.55 | zackglennie | infernix: cdebootstrap: command not found |
| 16:55.56 | Flimzy | Why am I discussing erosion instead of doing work? |
| 16:56.02 | zackglennie | infernix: apt-get install? |
| 16:56.13 | sidjster | because we rock |
| 16:56.20 | rahul | hatta: "Erosion can also occur by the movement of water. |
| 16:56.24 | jelly-home | debian/rocks |
| 16:56.30 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.34 | infernix | zackglennie: possibly, yes:) try another mirror first, see mirror list on debian.org |
| 16:56.40 | hatta | right, as in flowing water picking up pieces and moving them |
| 16:56.59 | zackglennie | infernix: is it possible that this is just a "busy mirror" problem? |
| 16:57.01 | jelly-home | rahul: I think that debian/rules is definitely intentional |
| 16:57.06 | infernix | zackglennie: yup |
| 16:57.06 | malverian | dh-make-php seems like a bit of a hack. |
| 16:57.13 | rahul | heh |
| 16:57.14 | infernix | zackglennie: or a broken one. |
| 16:57.16 | rahul | jelly-home: probably! |
| 16:57.20 | larsl | Is there no mencoder for Debian? I only find an mplayer package? |
| 16:57.30 | jelly-home | larsl: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 16:57.45 | jelly-home | larsl: there's both there |
| 16:57.56 | rahul | hatta: right, I wouldn't consider the slides to be erosion, tho. seems strange. I would consider the erosion to be what happens before to loosen the material from the bulk of the rock. |
| 16:57.59 | hatta | larsl, mencoder comes with debian |
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| 16:58.13 | larsl | hatta: I can't find it. |
| 16:58.24 | hatta | I mean it comes with mplayer |
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| 16:58.31 | rahul | hatta: no it doesn't |
| 16:58.36 | larsl | hatta: Not my mplayer package. |
| 16:58.37 | hatta | it doesn't? |
| 16:58.42 | rahul | photino# dpkg -L mplayer | grep mencoder |
| 16:58.42 | rahul | photino# |
| 16:58.43 | hatta | it used to I guess |
| 16:58.46 | zackglennie | infernix: ok, I'm coming up empty |
| 16:58.50 | rahul | not debian's mplayer package. |
| 16:58.51 | hark | larsl: debian-multimedia |
| 16:58.52 | zackglennie | infernix: where is this mirror list? |
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| 16:59.10 | infernix | zackglennie: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 17:00.09 | larsl | Does debian-multimedia depend on unstable? |
| 17:00.32 | hark | no, what are you running? |
| 17:00.33 | rahul | ocean currents need gravity to erode? /me boggles |
| 17:00.40 | rahul | (so sayeth wikipedia) |
| 17:00.43 | larsl | Testing. |
| 17:01.04 | hark | !tell larsl -about marillat.etch |
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| 17:01.26 | larsl | After adding the multimedia sources and updating, apt-get complains about broken dependencies (e.g. missing libfaad0) when trying to apt-get install mencoder. |
| 17:01.35 | larsl | hark: Done that. |
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| 17:01.48 | zackglennie | infernix: this is pretty ridiculous. I guess this is the kind of thing that you don't go through with ubuntu.. |
| 17:02.09 | infernix | zackglennie: why are you debootstrapping? it's not a very simple way of installing debian. |
| 17:02.51 | infernix | larsl: shouldnt happen, you sure that all your sources.list entries point to etch? |
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| 17:03.02 | zackglennie | infernix: the cd drive on this laptop is broken |
| 17:03.04 | hark | larsl: make sure the repos you added is for etch. otherwise, pastebin it and the policy outputs as well |
| 17:03.42 | infernix | zackglennie: ah. well, can you ping the mirror? can you ftp to it with a normal client? |
| 17:04.16 | sidjster | so its ridiculous and ubuntu is better because you cd rom drive is broken? |
| 17:04.22 | sidjster | crazy |
| 17:05.02 | zackglennie | sidjster: if the problem is that all these hosts (I just tried ten) are down or badly overtrafficked |
| 17:05.27 | larsl | hark: The sources list looks right, it has 'deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main' |
| 17:05.32 | zackglennie | sidjster: then yes, it's pretty ridiculous. It's bad to list a mirror that doesn't work, isn't it? |
| 17:05.35 | infernix | zackglennie: thats unlikely, i suspect theres a problem connecting |
| 17:06.13 | zackglennie | I'm not behind any unusual firewalls or anything. |
| 17:06.16 | larsl | apt-get install libfaad0 says "Package libfaad0 is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 17:06.34 | zackglennie | eh, thanks for the help, I'm going to abandon this for now |
| 17:06.56 | hark | !info libfaad0 etch |
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| 17:07.11 | larsl | My sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/xm1gxw72.html |
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| 17:08.10 | sidjster | am i in #suse? |
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| 17:08.55 | larsl | hark: What are the policy outputs? |
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| 17:09.55 | hark | larsl: dosen't matter, it seems it's not in testing... |
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| 17:10.01 | hark | !info libfaad0 sid |
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| 17:10.08 | dpkg | libfaad0: (freeware Advanced Audio Decoder - runtime files), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 163 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 17:10.08 | VolVE | hey all, anyone had any experience in building a box to monitor networking traffic? not so much an actual router, but just a box with 2 network cards that keeps traffic statistics with a little web interface? |
| 17:10.18 | hark | !why is libfaad0 not in testing |
| 17:10.18 | dpkg | libfaad0 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libfaad0 |
| 17:10.39 | valdyn_ | VolVE: does it have to be a web interface? |
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| 17:11.14 | VolVE | valdyn_: not really, but just thinking of some way to easily check current stats |
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| 17:11.54 | VolVE | valdyn_: if the tools are flexible enough, I could probably create some process to update an html page easily enough - just not sure where to find a good solution first of all |
| 17:12.10 | larsl | Aw. |
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| 17:12.21 | valdyn_ | VolVE: ethereal ( now wireshark in etch/sid ) |
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| 17:12.30 | alephant | Hi all... |
| 17:12.33 | valdyn_ | VolVE: that probably does more than you need though |
| 17:12.40 | defcon8 | I have installed iptables but it seems that there has been no effect. which module should I load? |
| 17:13.03 | alephant | ...can anybody talk about how automount of USB devices happens? I've got no GUI; I need my USB hdd to be automatically mounted upon connection. |
| 17:13.16 | valdyn_ | defcon8: what effect would you expect from installing 'iptables'? |
| 17:13.19 | alephant | I understand this is to do with udev + hal + dbus... but beyond that I can't say. |
| 17:13.23 | alephant | Anybody got a clue? |
| 17:13.38 | defcon8 | valdyn, I did the following: iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.4 -j DROP but it has had no effect at all |
| 17:13.42 | danieldg | is there an archive of older packages from the apt repositories? I'm looking for nvidia-glx-1.0.9625, and the only ones available are .8776 and .9746 |
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| 17:13.45 | defcon8 | one of the housemates keeps nmapping me |
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| 17:14.06 | valdyn_ | defcon8: rules are executed in order, _adding_ a drop rule is normally silly |
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| 17:14.23 | hark | ivman, gnome-volume-manager are options.. |
| 17:14.30 | defcon8 | valdyn, what should I do? |
| 17:14.35 | defcon8 | and where are the rule files? |
| 17:14.37 | valdyn_ | defcon8: duh, let him nmap |
| 17:14.42 | alephant | hark: gnome-volume-manager is not an option; this system has no GUI. |
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| 17:14.48 | defcon8 | yeah I just want to block him |
| 17:14.55 | defcon8 | can you please tell me how to do this with iptables? |
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| 17:14.55 | VolVE | hmm, I'll take a look at wireshark, thanks valdyn_ |
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| 17:15.26 | danieldg | hmm - since I have it installed currently, is there some fairly easy way of making a .deb from the stuff in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ plus the installed files? |
| 17:15.34 | valdyn_ | defcon8: try -I INPUT instead, but i cant see your whole setup |
| 17:15.41 | bingofuel | i can't install debian "mstarting pid console /dev/c1 /sbin/debian-installer, " |
| 17:15.41 | sidjster | <darweth> Beltz: Debian is nice, but the community is the pits. You want to avoid any Debian usage just for that reason |
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| 17:15.45 | valdyn_ | defcon8: there's not 'file' the table is in your kernel space |
| 17:15.50 | defcon8 | okay |
| 17:16.06 | sidjster | wanna go attack him |
| 17:16.34 | valdyn_ | defcon8: if you want to set rules after bootup ( automagically ), you need a script doing those 'iptables .. ' commands, or a more sophisticated tool that does that for you |
| 17:16.36 | defcon8 | ahh that's great thanks |
| 17:17.42 | valdyn_ | defcon8: iptables --list could be useful for current rules. if a permissing rule is above your DROP rule, then the drop never gets used |
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| 17:19.15 | Andy80 | hi |
| 17:19.21 | defcon8 | valdyn, thanks a lot for the help |
| 17:19.30 | defcon8 | I just saw him try to connect again and it dropped :D |
| 17:20.07 | defcon8 | how do I make it so iptables --list never closes? I have been using snort before |
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| 17:20.30 | valdyn_ | defcon8: it just lists rules, it has to close once there's no rule to show |
| 17:20.36 | defcon8 | okay |
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| 17:21.05 | valdyn_ | defcon8: doesnt really make sense to repeat that same stuff over and over. I'm assuming you aren't dynamically changing your rules every second |
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| 17:21.45 | valdyn_ | defcon8: you could add a logging rule though ( _above_ the drop ) |
| 17:21.55 | defcon8 | I'll look into that |
| 17:22.04 | defcon8 | I could use tail too I guess |
| 17:22.10 | valdyn_ | defcon8: uh, or log the drop, im not sure how that works, never use it |
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| 17:22.41 | justin | you usually just create a target that logs a packet and drops it, and then jump to that one |
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| 17:23.06 | mixonic | g00, I can't install apache-dev on stable 'cause apt says apache and apache-common are out of date |
| 17:23.11 | valdyn | justin: i see |
| 17:23.20 | mixonic | but apt-get upgrade says they are up to date...what gives? |
| 17:23.51 | valdyn | mixonic: your probably using packages that don't belong to stable, show the output of apt-get policy for each |
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| 17:24.03 | valdyn | mixonic: apt-cache policy even |
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| 17:24.59 | linux2 | well somewhat overclocking sucess |
| 17:25.08 | linux2 | it turns out my bios needed to be reset for some reason |
| 17:25.08 | mixonic | ok |
| 17:25.13 | linux2 | it wasn't applying the changes |
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| 17:25.31 | linux2 | i can only get this 2.2GHZ processor up to 2.45GHZ before it becomes unstable |
| 17:25.37 | linux2 | any ideas as to why that is? |
| 17:25.45 | mixonic | so valdyn, I can see that apache isn't the latest available, and I'm on an older version. I don't see anything explicit about the policies though (security-high, low, that stuff) |
| 17:25.46 | linux2 | i would think i could reach at least 2.8 |
| 17:26.05 | larsl | Are there any recommended TV recording programs that work nicely in Debian? |
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| 17:26.19 | valdyn | mixonic: SHOW it |
| 17:26.26 | valdyn | mixonic: i don't believe your interpretations |
| 17:26.31 | mixonic | heh |
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| 17:26.50 | valdyn | larsl: for dvb? |
| 17:27.04 | bayer | which tools can i use to administrate my hardware raid in debian? |
| 17:27.09 | larsl | valdyn: No, analog. |
| 17:27.15 | larsl | valdyn: I have a tuner card. |
| 17:27.24 | valdyn | bayer: ask your vendor, if its really hardware raid ( which it likely isnt ) |
| 17:27.32 | bayer | valdyn, it is |
| 17:28.00 | mixonic | http://pastie.caboo.se/41403 <-- over there valdyn, thanks |
| 17:28.04 | valdyn | bayer: then you need to ask your vendor, there's no hw raid standard, a hw raid appears doesnt expose to the OS that it is a raid |
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| 17:28.50 | bayer | valdyn, i see, thanks |
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| 17:29.33 | valdyn | mixonic: your apache is version 1.3.33-4, that's not from sarge |
| 17:29.48 | valdyn | !info apache etch |
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| 17:30.25 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-4 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
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| 17:30.26 | valdyn | mixonic: try 'apt-get install apache' |
| 17:30.54 | valdyn | mixonic: its actually older than sarge...did you PIN that? |
| 17:31.09 | mixonic | apache is already the newest version. |
| 17:31.09 | mixonic | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:31.23 | mixonic | no, but this box may have been a dist-upgrade from woody at some point |
| 17:31.43 | valdyn | mixonic: because priority is 100 while your stable stuff is priority 10, why is that so? someone changed it.. |
| 17:31.44 | mixonic | /etc/debian_version is 3.1 |
| 17:32.02 | valdyn | mixonic: should be in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 17:33.12 | valdyn | mixonic: default priority should be 500 i think, so the newer one would be installed if there was nothing in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 17:33.17 | mixonic | ah, at some point I had AGNULA on the box for audio |
| 17:33.27 | mixonic | o=Debian is pinned to 10 |
| 17:33.33 | mixonic | so 500? |
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| 17:33.57 | valdyn | mixonic: well, yes, but i expect there might be a huge number of packages wanting to be upgraded |
| 17:34.13 | valdyn | mixonic: not really 500, though its your choice, you can just remove the entry |
| 17:34.20 | mixonic | ew. well it's worth a look |
| 17:34.23 | mixonic | thanks a bunch |
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| 17:35.14 | RvGaTe | !ping |
| 17:35.14 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:35.17 | RvGaTe | ffs |
| 17:35.29 | mixonic | ahhh, 376 |
| 17:35.34 | mixonic | ~sweet :-) |
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| 17:41.36 | ewanm89 | Does anyone know why I keep getting kicked off this channel |
| 17:42.03 | abrotman | ewanm89: your internet sucks |
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| 17:42.27 | Quintin_ | "hi, I tried to install that Ubuntu.exe on my notebook" |
| 17:42.32 | Shadur | Looks like your connection is kicking off. |
| 17:42.34 | Quintin_ | laff |
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| 17:42.47 | yolkaplexus | yolkaplexus++ |
| 17:43.11 | ewanm89 | Shadur: Shit probably dhcp lease was up! I hate BT! Thanks mum! |
| 17:43.34 | ewanm89 | Shadur: oftc.net was fine |
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| 17:47.37 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 17:52.14 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:52.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 17:52.57 | LeFallen | dpkg: topic?! |
| 17:52.57 | dpkg | [topic] you're supposed to read the topic, even if that means you have to type /topic or scroll up beyond the nick list your client prints. if you fail to do that, make sure you can handle the harsh and insulting comments you'll (rightfully) face |
| 17:52.59 | LeFallen | :P |
| 17:53.18 | xand | abrotman: off to the dairy! |
| 17:53.28 | abrotman | xand: they're going to milk you? |
| 17:53.34 | xand | not me |
| 17:53.58 | xand | thou! |
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| 17:54.25 | adrakoa | !dpkg |
| 17:54.25 | dpkg | dpkg is probably there a reason you dont talk to me |
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| 17:57.50 | stoned | sesame chicken is the bomb! |
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| 17:58.07 | deadcat | how do i record a .bin and a .cue to a cd so i can play it on a regular dvd player? |
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| 17:58.36 | garo | i think that you can do it with k3b |
| 17:58.39 | stoned | burn it a software |
| 17:58.44 | stoned | with |
| 17:58.47 | stoned | k3b is good |
| 17:58.50 | deadcat | cdrecord? |
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| 17:58.57 | Eclipser | k3b uses cdrecord |
| 17:59.14 | stoned | k3b is a FE for that |
| 17:59.15 | garo | k3b is kdefrontend to cdrecord/mkisofs/... |
| 17:59.15 | deadcat | would someone know the options? |
| 17:59.17 | stoned | and other stuff |
| 17:59.24 | stoned | garo: jinx |
| 17:59.25 | Eclipser | k3b is about the only thing I like to use instead of command line tools |
| 17:59.26 | deadcat | i dont have k3b anyway |
| 17:59.34 | Eclipser | stoned, FE? |
| 17:59.39 | stoned | front end |
| 17:59.42 | Eclipser | aa |
| 17:59.46 | ScribbleJ | I can't seem to debootstrap edgy ia64 from edgy i386. Is this a problem anyone is familiar with? Should I expect it to work? It fails with "Failure trying to run: chroot" whichc seems to be because the mount command is missing. |
| 18:00.03 | renewbie | hi, I am trying to rip a CD using lame but can't find files on /dev/cdrom or /media/cdrom |
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| 18:00.26 | moshii | I have a bunch of zombies locking dpkg files.. they have become children of init but aren't getting removed :/ anyone have any ideas? rebooting the box isn't possible until I can get dpkg working again |
| 18:00.27 | justin | renewbie: apt-get install jack;jack |
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| 18:00.38 | Eclipser | jack?? |
| 18:00.48 | justin | !+info jack |
| 18:00.49 | awbassett | ScribbleJ: I imagine you're using Ubuntu? |
| 18:00.52 | dpkg | jack: (Rip and encode CDs with one command), section sound, is optional. Version: 3.1.1+cvs20050801-14 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
| 18:00.53 | stoned | sound deamon |
| 18:00.58 | Eclipser | ah |
| 18:01.00 | Eclipser | well |
| 18:01.00 | stoned | daemon |
| 18:01.03 | Eclipser | !+info abcde |
| 18:01.05 | dpkg | abcde: (A Better CD Encoder), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.3.99.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 18:01.08 | justin | that works too :) |
| 18:01.13 | ScribbleJ | awbassett, no, I'm on crack. I said edgy but I meant etch. :) |
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| 18:01.23 | renewbie | but is there any way to do it using lame? |
| 18:01.25 | justin | either way, lame doesn't rip cds |
| 18:01.30 | stoned | ScribbleJ: you sure? |
| 18:01.35 | ScribbleJ | stoned, yeah, I'm sure. |
| 18:01.36 | h3sp4wn | ScribbleJ: And you are on itanium ? |
| 18:01.38 | ScribbleJ | I just double-checked. :) |
| 18:01.39 | Eclipser | justin, I thought of libjack aat first so I got confused |
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| 18:01.44 | ScribbleJ | I am on a Xeon processor. |
| 18:01.48 | ScribbleJ | Is that wrong? |
| 18:01.48 | justin | renewbie: lame encodes mp3s, it doesn't know anything about cds |
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| 18:01.56 | h3sp4wn | !ia64 |
| 18:01.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 18:02.03 | ScribbleJ | DOH |
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| 18:02.09 | ScribbleJ | I'm stupider than I thought then. |
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| 18:02.49 | stoned | but |
| 18:02.50 | khaleel5000 | hey is ftp.debian.org down? |
| 18:02.50 | stoned | core 2 duo CAN run 64 bit OS |
| 18:02.50 | ScribbleJ | So uhm... |
| 18:02.50 | dkr | ScribbleJ: most people are. ;) |
| 18:02.50 | stoned | the factoid should be updated? |
| 18:02.51 | renewbie | justin: yes but how to tell lame where to find infiles? |
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| 18:02.51 | h3sp4wn | ScribbleJ: If you want to debootstrap amd64 (which should work) you should use a 64 bit livecd |
| 18:02.53 | justin | renewbie: you use jack or abcde |
| 18:02.54 | renewbie | i mean input files |
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| 18:03.16 | h3sp4wn | ScribbleJ: Unless you are already running a 64 bit kernel ? |
| 18:03.19 | Eclipser | renewbie, you can get wav from cd with cdda2wav or something but we recommend abcde really :) |
| 18:03.23 | Eclipser | or jack ... |
| 18:03.25 | ScribbleJ | h3sp4wn, ah... thanks. I shoudln't expect debootstrap to work from i386? |
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| 18:03.42 | ScribbleJ | h3sp4wn, no, i386... I can see that it probably woulnd't wokr. :) Thanks for letting me know. |
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| 18:03.48 | ScribbleJ | Thanks for the help |
| 18:03.51 | sjr | What package do I install if I want apache to have php support? |
| 18:04.02 | sjr | For some reason php5 doesn't seem to be the right package. |
| 18:04.05 | h3sp4wn | ScribbleJ: It will work to a point but you won't be able to chroot in and run any binaries or finish the install |
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| 18:04.40 | karmatronic | sjr: libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 18:04.54 | ScribbleJ | Okay... thanks, h3sp4wn... I appreciate the info. |
| 18:05.05 | Eclipser | Need to get 216MB of archives. After unpacking 553kB will be freed. |
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| 18:05.57 | sjr | karmatronic and if that doesn't do it? |
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| 18:07.11 | suser | hi all ! Are there any people who understand networking with pcap ? |
| 18:07.17 | ewanm89 | sjr: modEclipser: Are you uninstalling anything? |
| 18:07.20 | rpc | Eclipser lol |
| 18:07.27 | karmatronic | sjr: did you do it ? |
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| 18:07.35 | ewanm89 | Eclipser: Are you uninstalling anything? |
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| 18:07.39 | Eclipser | nope |
| 18:07.41 | sjr | yeah I did, and php files are still prompting for download. |
| 18:07.57 | Eclipser | it's all upgrades |
| 18:07.57 | sidjster | any ideas ?X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 18:08.40 | justin | suser: 'networking with pcap' makes little selse |
| 18:08.42 | karmatronic | sjr: check httpd.conf |
| 18:08.54 | karmatronic | sjr: for a line like LoadModule and php |
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| 18:09.29 | karmatronic | sjr: or this line LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 18:09.34 | karmatronic | sjr: in modules.conf |
| 18:09.36 | ewanm89 | sjr: libapache-mod-php5 or libapache2-mod-php5 depending on the version of apache |
| 18:09.37 | sjr | hmmmm |
| 18:09.47 | suser | justin>: ok, more specific question: we (community) are building an app that uses libpcap, but the problem is that libpcap requires root.. and we wanna build user-mode app |
| 18:09.58 | sjr | hold on a second I just did a purge replace . |
| 18:09.58 | suser | justin>:any ideas to solve this? |
| 18:10.01 | karmatronic | sjr: yeah yeah the same witj php5 |
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| 18:10.26 | sjr | suser I think you need root to go into the promiscious mode on a network adapeter. |
| 18:10.28 | mage | hmm, mdadm defaults to metadata that has a limit of 2tb for an array, can I change the meta data or will I need to rebuild my array at some point to change the meta data? |
| 18:10.33 | moshii | stoned: if it has EMT, which I think all the current Intel ranges do |
| 18:10.34 | suser | justin>: Or even more specific, the OSS communuty recently got VirtuaalBox, a Free VMware replacement |
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| 18:10.50 | ewanm89 | suser: SetUID bit? |
| 18:10.51 | suser | justin>: It's networking model sucks, and needs huge improvement |
| 18:11.00 | sjr | there we go fixed. |
| 18:11.09 | suser | ewanm89>: is it possible to do on libs? |
| 18:11.24 | suser | The actual discussion is here: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/18 |
| 18:11.41 | suser | I would be *VERY VERY* thankful if people participate in it. |
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| 18:12.37 | suser | sjr>: I understand, but what's the best approach to go root and stay more-or-less secure? |
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| 18:12.49 | Fleshreaper | hi y'all, I must be dumb |
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| 18:13.00 | Fleshreaper | dpkg -c php5 should barf me a listing of the files php5 installed? |
| 18:13.00 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 1477 2003-6-21 22:21:33 ./usr/share/php5 should barf me a listing of the files php5 installed/pr0n/ariana.gif |
| 18:13.08 | Fleshreaper | uh... |
| 18:13.15 | vskoric | how to setup syslogd to store logs from remote host in separate file |
| 18:13.38 | Fleshreaper | basically I'm trying to find the damn php executable |
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| 18:13.45 | Deepa | how do i get my cmoputer to look exactly like windows xp's standard theme? |
| 18:13.48 | Fleshreaper | which doesn't see it |
| 18:14.02 | Fleshreaper | I don't use debian all that often and I'm having trouble finding the right commands :/ |
| 18:14.12 | Deepa | Fleshreaper: its not at any bin folder? |
| 18:14.20 | suser | justin, ewanm89, sjr: I would be *VERY VERY* thankful if people participate in discussion at: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/18 |
| 18:14.26 | Fleshreaper | the only ones I know of are /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin |
| 18:14.32 | Fleshreaper | which doesn't find any php |
| 18:14.38 | Deepa | You got php5-cli installed? |
| 18:14.41 | Fleshreaper | aha! |
| 18:14.45 | Fleshreaper | probalby not |
| 18:14.51 | Deepa | CommandLine-Interface |
| 18:14.53 | Fleshreaper | not familiar with debians massivly split packages ;) |
| 18:14.54 | Fleshreaper | yah |
| 18:15.06 | Deepa | libapache2-mod-php5 is just php5 for apache |
| 18:15.06 | Fleshreaper | in the distro I use most often, php comes with the php package :) |
| 18:15.11 | sjr | karmatronic I do have that module installed but it still doesn't work. |
| 18:15.12 | Fleshreaper | gotcha |
| 18:15.12 | justin | suser: yeah, tap on linux works just fine, I don't see how pcap makes sense at all |
| 18:15.16 | Deepa | And mostly php5 is included |
| 18:15.28 | sjr | oh thats wierd |
| 18:15.30 | Deepa | But if you want to use cli, get the php(x)-cli package |
| 18:15.38 | Fleshreaper | aye, didn't think about that, thanks much :) |
| 18:15.50 | fausto | excuse |
| 18:15.51 | fausto | me |
| 18:15.56 | fausto | i have a problem |
| 18:15.57 | karmatronic | sjr: and this one in httpd.conf DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.shtml index.cgi index.php |
| 18:16.09 | Deepa | fausto: so do i |
| 18:16.22 | Fleshreaper | heh /me too |
| 18:16.24 | Deepa | Fleshreaper :) |
| 18:16.25 | sjr | its firefox |
| 18:16.26 | Fleshreaper | sorry ;) |
| 18:16.29 | sjr | it has cached the index page |
| 18:16.33 | sjr | thanks karmatronic |
| 18:16.38 | fausto | i'm trying to install sarge 3.1 with a netinst cd, i have a problem booting the installer with isolinux |
| 18:16.49 | Deepa | Any errors at all fausto? |
| 18:16.51 | fausto | isolinux fails to find the kernel image |
| 18:17.04 | fausto | could not find kernel image: linux |
| 18:17.12 | Deepa | Is the kernel image on the CD? |
| 18:17.14 | fausto | if i try with linux26 doesn't start |
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| 18:17.17 | fausto | yes |
| 18:17.20 | justin | fausto: how did you make this cd? |
| 18:17.20 | fausto | on my pc it works |
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| 18:17.35 | k31th | guys any idea with this |
| 18:17.36 | k31th | The cURL PHP extension is not loaded. This script requires the cURL PHP extension to be loaded in order to function properly. |
| 18:17.37 | Deepa | If you arent installing it on a PC |
| 18:17.39 | fausto | justin, it works whit my pc |
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| 18:17.42 | Deepa | You shouldnt use the PC version |
| 18:17.47 | fausto | on the pc i'm trying to install |
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| 18:18.00 | fausto | Deepa, i'm installing it on x86 |
| 18:18.06 | Deepa | x86 for x86(&& x86-64), sparc for sparc |
| 18:18.06 | Deepa | etc |
| 18:18.09 | fausto | i downloaded the x86 version |
| 18:18.10 | sjr | k31th curl allows php scripts to acccess websites via the HTTP protocol. |
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| 18:18.30 | fausto | Deepa, i have debian yet, but i'm trying to install another server |
| 18:18.34 | fausto | pIII 1ghz |
| 18:18.36 | Deepa | k31th: Just install curl? |
| 18:18.48 | k31th | apt-get install curl ? |
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| 18:18.54 | fausto | i'm reading the paper About the Smart Boot Manager image |
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| 18:18.58 | fausto | included in cd |
| 18:19.04 | Deepa | k31th: dont be retarded |
| 18:19.07 | Deepa | k31th: apt-cache search curl |
| 18:19.09 | fausto | to use another metod |
| 18:19.12 | k31th | Deepa: I installed php4-curl |
| 18:19.19 | Deepa | Are you using php4? |
| 18:19.24 | fausto | but this metod doesn't recognize my cd rom drive O_o |
| 18:19.30 | fausto | and i can boot at all |
| 18:19.38 | fausto | can you give me any solution |
| 18:19.42 | k31th | Deepa: yes, and it was already installed... |
| 18:19.46 | fausto | if i try to boot knoppix it can boot |
| 18:19.58 | fausto | but not debian |
| 18:20.01 | Deepa | k31th: php is properly setup? |
| 18:20.03 | fausto | how can i solve?? |
| 18:20.04 | k31th | yes |
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| 18:20.15 | k31th | how do i load that extension ? |
| 18:20.20 | fausto | can i try to run debian installer with another method?? |
| 18:20.27 | Deepa | fausto: use GRUB and do it the evil way, by loading it again or so? |
| 18:20.33 | Deepa | You could put it on the HDD |
| 18:20.36 | Deepa | And run it from there |
| 18:20.45 | k31th | Deepa: I get this from script |
| 18:20.46 | k31th | This script attempted to change this value at runtime, however the current server configuration did not permit the script to make this runtime change. |
| 18:21.17 | fausto | Deepa, emmm... can you explain me? |
| 18:21.30 | Deepa | faust_: on my HDD, i got 4 partitions i use quite often |
| 18:21.38 | justin | fausto: usb,floppy,pxe |
| 18:21.39 | Deepa | 5* |
| 18:21.41 | Deepa | One which i put grub on |
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| 18:21.47 | Deepa | One which i put debian on |
| 18:21.49 | Deepa | One which i put windows on |
| 18:22.02 | Deepa | And 2 where i put the installation files for debian and windows |
| 18:22.18 | Deepa | So i can use grub to boot from the install on debian/windows and reinstall without having to use CD's :D |
| 18:22.52 | fausto | ok |
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| 18:23.48 | Deepa | Since im a advanced user, its really really useful |
| 18:24.13 | k31th | well. |
| 18:24.19 | sandwitch | or use debootstrap ... |
| 18:24.28 | k31th | any know how to enable curl ? |
| 18:24.37 | sandwitch | bootstrap that is |
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| 18:28.09 | holycow | is there a howto out there for adding/removing/managing users and groups via cli? |
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| 18:28.16 | holycow | adding users and removing users is fine |
| 18:28.34 | rahul | man adduser, man addgroup, etc |
| 18:28.39 | holycow | but listing users, groups, who belongs to what group and adding created users to groups is not really clear |
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| 18:28.47 | holycow | rahul, yeah thats not really usefull frankly |
| 18:28.51 | rahul | .... man adduser |
| 18:28.56 | SubStack | man usermod |
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| 18:29.08 | holycow | what about listing users? |
| 18:29.12 | rahul | "Add an existing user to an existing group" |
| 18:29.22 | rahul | cat /etc/passwd |
| 18:29.31 | holycow | oh okay |
| 18:29.32 | holycow | cool danke |
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| 18:40.05 | lindenle | !seen yvhaarle |
| 18:40.06 | dpkg | yvhaarle is currently on #debian, last said: 'stew: you are right it is not installed - will do this now - thx'. |
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| 18:48.44 | jhubert | Can someone give me a hand with logrotate.. it doesn't seem to be rotating the files and gzipping them properly. I'm also wondering if I can change it so that it sets a data instead of just 1, 2, 3 etc |
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| 18:51.06 | mage | the 1 2 3 business lets it rotate properly |
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| 18:51.58 | lindenle | !botsnack |
| 18:51.59 | dpkg | :), lindenle |
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| 18:52.37 | jhubert | mage: so if I want them to be access_log.20070121.gzip i'd have to write my own procedure? |
| 18:54.33 | Rusty1 | is there an apt command that will tell me the date that a package was installed/updated on a system? |
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| 18:55.02 | mage | jhubert: hmm, it might do that, I really dont have much experience with logrotate |
| 18:55.26 | mage | I've only tweaked how often and how many files to keep around |
| 18:55.50 | pppag | how can i stop the xserver without havin xdm restart it? |
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| 18:58.21 | priscila | pppag: you can kill xdm or stop it |
| 18:58.24 | sidjster | linux is so dramatic |
| 18:58.30 | jhubert | mage: ok, then how about this one. it doesn't start using the new logfile until nginx is restarted.. and I can't figure out how to give logrotate permission to restart the process. http://pastie.caboo.se/41429 |
| 18:58.51 | Neverther | ok, is there channel for amd64 port or may I ask here? |
| 18:58.57 | pppag | priscila: well yes and how to do so? |
| 18:59.24 | priscila | pppag: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
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| 19:00.12 | priscila | pppag: or just killall xdm |
| 19:00.22 | k31th | is there an easy way to find the version of mysql i have installed? |
| 19:00.42 | Neverther | k31th, mysql --version |
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| 19:02.14 | karmatronic | k31th: |
| 19:02.16 | jeward | I've set X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and rebooted, but I still get no $DISPLAY set when I come in via ssh -X. Any ideas? |
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| 19:02.31 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 19:02.31 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 19:03.03 | karmatronic | yeah xauth trick |
| 19:03.11 | Neverther | Ok, anyone using amd64 port? |
| 19:03.23 | mage | hmm USR1 and not HUP? |
| 19:03.55 | jeward | Ah, xauth. |
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| 19:04.19 | Rusty1 | Neverther: probly there are ppl using AMD64, best to ask yer question and see if you get an answer |
| 19:04.39 | Neverther | Rusty1, found the channel for port after 5 tries |
| 19:04.44 | sidjster | i love asking |
| 19:04.59 | sidjster | matter of fact |
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| 19:05.28 | jeward | That was it, thanks! |
| 19:05.30 | sidjster | X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
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| 19:07.02 | rahul | sidjster: buggy program |
| 19:07.12 | rahul | sidjster: it got rid of a window and now it's trying to fiddle with it |
| 19:07.38 | sidjster | only kde gnome is beautiful |
| 19:08.01 | sidjster | almost a week trying to figure it out |
| 19:08.25 | abrotman | sidjster: do you speak english ? |
| 19:08.42 | sidjster | im sorry? |
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| 19:09.09 | rahul | only an orange apple is sweet |
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| 19:10.59 | maddash | how can i tell grep to return the file positions of matches inside a binary file? |
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| 19:11.41 | abrotman | maddash: i bleive there's an option for line number |
| 19:11.54 | sidjster | im still wondering why i was asked i spoke english? |
| 19:12.05 | sidjster | lmao |
| 19:12.31 | abrotman | maybe that's why |
| 19:12.36 | concept10 | heh |
| 19:13.06 | sidjster | i really laughed pretty hard there |
| 19:13.21 | concept10 | sidjster, dont pay abrotman any attention, he detects that easily |
| 19:13.27 | itsmorefun | Hello |
| 19:13.27 | itsmorefun | somebody know samba and netbios and can help me? |
| 19:13.28 | maddash | abrotman: only in text mode. during which grep would return the line # as well as the surrounding data of the match into the terminal (which i'm trying to avoid) |
| 19:13.46 | abrotman | itsmorefun: just ask |
| 19:13.47 | sidjster | he love it when i use u |
| 19:13.51 | abrotman | maddash: what's wrong with that ? |
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| 19:14.17 | maddash | abrotman: the file contains some escape chars...as well as other messy stuff that could muck up my term |
| 19:14.50 | abrotman | oh |
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| 19:15.14 | sidjster | is support for sawfish depreciating or are they updating it along with metacity? |
| 19:15.17 | itsmorefun | I have a network of 150 computer and i want network neighbourg to work |
| 19:15.17 | jZed | I am so close ... so close ... my wifi usb dongle sees one of the two networks in my house but not the one I need, the router is broadcasting, when I try to set essid with iwconfig, it doesn't take, still looks for essid "any" and only finds the wrong network ... |
| 19:15.21 | maddash | abrotman: nvm. maybe i could pipe it into a file directly. |
| 19:15.28 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:16.02 | itsmorefun | i have put wins parameter in dhcpd |
| 19:16.11 | itsmorefun | all computer register on teh wins server |
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| 19:16.47 | itsmorefun | but when they get the computer list from the samba server, the liste only have the samba computer listed |
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| 19:17.22 | mindstate | im having trouble running glxinfo i get this error "glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" i tried to reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx but that also reporting errors..can someone help me? |
| 19:17.46 | valdyn | !find libGL.so.1 |
| 19:17.49 | ewanm89 | sidjster: Sawfish wasn't that an early compositing window manager if so you should be thinking of Beryl and Metisse as they have/are fixing some ol X11 problems |
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| 19:17.57 | sidjster | i have another question if i get this error X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 that is caused by kde w/m? if i use metacity as kde w/m will that work and does it make any sense? |
| 19:17.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so.1' (4 of 7): (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8776) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.7184) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libs/libgl1-mesa-glx,non-free/x11/fglrx-driver ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.060501, /usr/lib/i686/cmov/{libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.5.060501}) in libs/libgl1-mesa-swx11. |
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| 19:18.40 | abrotman | sidjster: ask #debian-kde |
| 19:18.44 | valdyn | mindstate: you messed with nvidia or ati installer? |
| 19:18.50 | itsmorefun | abrotman ? |
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| 19:19.05 | abrotman | itsmorefun: ? |
| 19:19.05 | mindstate | valdyn: i was messing with it, then realized the fglrx driver doesnt support my card |
| 19:19.09 | roger21 | hi i would like to mount a ntfs disk but i got this error http://channels.debian.net/paste/5435 |
| 19:19.31 | valdyn | mindstate: uninstall fglrx properly |
| 19:19.40 | itsmorefun | abrotman all computer oh my network register on the wins server but when they get the computer list from the samba server, the liste only have the samba server listed :( |
| 19:19.41 | roger21 | the disk iq quite readable on windows and it is not a bootable |
| 19:19.43 | ewanm89 | sidjster: It will work if it is a window manager problem |
| 19:19.45 | roger21 | is* |
| 19:20.06 | mindstate | valdyn: i did, im not sure why im getting that error |
| 19:20.14 | sidjster | i might try that |
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| 19:20.47 | antum1 | Hi there, I have pop3 and imap running on Debian, but I can't login and I don't know where the error logs are for these two services... can anyone help? |
| 19:20.53 | abrotman | itsmorefun: isn't that an nmbd thing ? |
| 19:20.54 | linux_manju | Hi all.. Why doesnt evolution have spell check ? |
| 19:21.13 | valdyn | mindstate: ls -ld /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 19:21.16 | roger21 | this is my fstab options:/dev/sdb2 /media/disk22 ntfs noauto,noexec,user,ro,umask=0022 0 0 |
| 19:21.17 | valdyn | mindstate: ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 19:21.33 | roger21 | if you have a hint... |
| 19:21.49 | mindstate | valdyn: no such file or directory |
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| 19:22.30 | valdyn | mindstate: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 19:22.31 | ewanm89 | sidjster: Beryl-manager lets me run any installed window manager from a menu while in any desktop enviroment e.g enlightenment on KDE |
| 19:22.39 | itsmorefun | abrotman the computer liste contain only the samba server and not all computer |
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| 19:23.13 | mindstate | valdyn: libgl1-mesa-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 that was the output |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | itsmorefun: shut down the samba server if you can .. and check to see if the rest come back .. or maybe ask #samba |
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| 19:23.32 | valdyn | mindstate: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 19:24.10 | sidjster | i dont know anything about beryl |
| 19:24.30 | mindstate | valdyn: i love you dude |
| 19:24.33 | mindstate | valdyn: lol..thanks man ive been trying to do this for hours |
| 19:24.39 | itsmorefun | abrotman, if i shutdown the samba a part of the computer come back |
| 19:24.45 | sidjster | can you change w/m without restarting x? |
| 19:24.55 | valdyn | sidjster: yes |
| 19:24.56 | abrotman | part ? |
| 19:24.59 | Neverther | sidjster, is the wm supports it |
| 19:25.03 | sidjster | cool |
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| 19:25.28 | itsmorefun | but with 150 computer that not work very well, it's for that i want ti setup samba to do all working perfectly |
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| 19:25.48 | sidjster | is beryl big i only have 1.5 gig left :( |
| 19:26.02 | itsmorefun | and #samba is definitely died... all the day nobody answer |
| 19:26.07 | valdyn | sidjster: no |
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| 19:26.15 | ewanm89 | sidjster: http://beryl-project.org will show you technically not supported on debian and still heavy development. --replace option oafter window manager does it replacing the current one |
| 19:26.20 | eshaase | there any way to force apt-get to always ask to confirm an 'install'? |
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| 19:26.48 | simonrvn | does that already |
| 19:26.51 | simonrvn | but |
| 19:26.54 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 19:27.15 | eshaase | simonrvn: it doesn't sometimes |
| 19:27.23 | eshaase | simonrvn: i think when its only one package it doesn't ask, i'm not sure exactly |
| 19:27.38 | simonrvn | yeh, i know |
| 19:28.07 | eshaase | so when does it not prompt you? |
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| 19:28.29 | simonrvn | usually on 1-3 packages, IIRC |
| 19:28.37 | eshaase | ok, how do i get it to prompt me in those situations? |
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| 19:29.14 | simonrvn | if you're at the CLI, doesn't matter, you just hit enter |
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| 19:29.14 | eshaase | simonrvn: ? |
| 19:29.15 | simonrvn | man apt-get would have the exact option |
| 19:29.22 | eshaase | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
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| 19:29.40 | Guerin | eshaase: it will only not prompt you if it's installing ONLY the packages you specify - no depends, recommends, conflicts, etc |
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| 19:29.54 | eshaase | Guerin: ahhh, ok |
| 19:30.00 | eshaase | makes sense |
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| 19:30.13 | simonrvn | Guerin: that's true too |
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| 19:30.45 | Tenkawa | Any of you running a nokia n800? |
| 19:30.52 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:31.01 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 19:31.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:31.16 | simonrvn | dunno what that is, other than who makes the thing... |
| 19:31.32 | simonrvn | on love |
| 19:31.37 | Tenkawa | simonrvn: handheld arm cpu unit running a debian variant |
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| 19:31.45 | sidjster | im wondering if we are going to see prefered debian desktops changed? |
| 19:31.45 | eshaase | simonrvn: ok, its not not in the ma page |
| 19:31.46 | zamuro | lol |
| 19:31.46 | simonrvn | mm, ok |
| 19:31.51 | Tenkawa | marketed as a inet wifi palmtop |
| 19:32.04 | zamuro | dpkg: Kiss me |
| 19:32.04 | Tenkawa | looks pretty swet |
| 19:32.06 | Tenkawa | er sweet |
| 19:32.23 | defcon8 | which was the bomberman-like game for linux with the strange name? |
| 19:32.33 | abrotman | defcon8: try freshmeat |
| 19:32.41 | defcon8 | I'm sure someone'll know it |
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| 19:32.52 | rahul | freshmean would. |
| 19:32.54 | rahul | t |
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| 19:33.21 | simonrvn | eshaase: look for something like 'always ask' |
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| 19:33.26 | dkr | a search bomber |
| 19:33.26 | dkr | p bomberclone - free Bomberman clone |
| 19:34.00 | defcon8 | it wasn't that |
| 19:34.02 | simonrvn | i'll do a search too |
| 19:34.02 | dkr | (there are some others, also) |
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| 19:34.09 | defcon8 | ahh okay I'll look |
| 19:34.17 | dkr | I just didn't paste them all |
| 19:34.23 | defcon8 | clanbomber! |
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| 19:34.44 | bigwig | hi |
| 19:34.52 | bigwig | i have a problem |
| 19:35.02 | simonrvn | aah, man apt.conf |
| 19:35.10 | dkr | although searchign for bombers probably isn't a good idea in this carnivore/echelon world ;) |
| 19:35.16 | bigwig | i recently installed a new server with debian sarge + some packages from backports.org |
| 19:35.24 | bigwig | mysql-server 5.0.30 is installed |
| 19:35.37 | bigwig | now i cannot access mysql databases from php scripts |
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| 19:35.47 | bigwig | i have another server that uses mysql-server 5.0.22 |
| 19:35.52 | Neverther | bigwig, configured php? |
| 19:36.03 | bigwig | and everything is fine there |
| 19:36.16 | sepski | bigwig, compare the my.cnf config files |
| 19:36.19 | bigwig | i have an oscommerce based php application that says: |
| 19:36.34 | bigwig | Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client in |
| 19:36.44 | simonrvn | eshaase: doesn't seem to be an option for that :/ |
| 19:36.56 | bigwig | i guess the problem is that php4 is linked against libmysqlclient12 |
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| 19:37.23 | bigwig | and i have read somewhere that libmysqlclient14 or 15 should be used with the new server |
| 19:37.38 | bigwig | now the mysql-server 5.0.22 has vanished from backports.org |
| 19:37.46 | bigwig | does anyone have a suggestion? |
| 19:38.08 | simonrvn | eshaase: closest i can see is 'Get { Assume-Yes = "false"; };' |
| 19:38.19 | simonrvn | but it's probably already like that |
| 19:38.44 | sepski | bigwig, use the matching mysql-client from backports too ? |
| 19:38.44 | sidjster | say to edit apt sources to include beryl who does that? |
| 19:38.56 | mindframe | how would i go about getting the ssh::perl module installed? would i have to re-compile ssh w/ perl support? |
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| 19:39.19 | ewanm89 | bigwig: Is it a problem with php5 else this is why I've lost half my database acces on upgrade |
| 19:39.32 | bigwig | sepski: php4 does not exist in the backports.org repository and i need that because the application depends on php4 which is not compatible with php5 |
| 19:39.55 | ewanm89 | sidjster: me |
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| 19:40.07 | bigwig | ewanm89: as far as i know php5 also uses libmysqlclient12 which is not supported anymore |
| 19:40.28 | ewanm89 | sidjster: Do you have a recent graphics card |
| 19:40.50 | sidjster | i have on board intel i810 :( |
| 19:40.59 | sepski | bigwig, then you can perhaps configure the server or the connect to use a different authenticatino protocol |
| 19:41.00 | bigwig | does anyone know a repository where consistent deb packages can be found for mysql5, php4 and php5? |
| 19:41.02 | sidjster | and i cant speak english and im poor |
| 19:41.13 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 19:41.22 | bigwig | sepski: where do i change that? |
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| 19:41.39 | ewanm89 | bigwig: There is my problem then so anyone know when it will be fixed as I can't log into my blog anymore or wiki, phpmyadmin etc |
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| 19:42.05 | sepski | ewanm89, if you are using backports.org, it will be fixed when you fix it |
| 19:42.16 | sidjster | is it a big deal keeping beryl and your kernel in synch? |
| 19:42.33 | bigwig | it would be great if someone told me what to fix in my.cnf to support old clients... please help |
| 19:42.40 | ewanm89 | sepski: I'm using sid and it aint fixed |
| 19:42.51 | sidjster | get super sid |
| 19:42.52 | valdyn | sidjster: beryl is just a window manager, it doesn't need to be in sync with a kernel |
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| 19:43.51 | ewanm89 | sidjster: Just the graphic card drivers need to be kept in sync with the kernel or compile new modules all the time |
| 19:43.54 | sidjster | just wondering why they tell you to edit apt sources to include beryl? |
| 19:44.03 | sepski | bigwig, i would have googeled for the error message "mysql client support authentication protocol" and i would have found the solution on the first hit. |
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| 19:44.27 | sepski | ewanm89, what is "IT" ? that a old client , can't connect to the new server ? |
| 19:44.37 | valdyn | sidjster: you should probably just use compiz, that's already in debian |
| 19:45.09 | ewanm89 | sidjster: To make it easier to upgrade Beryl as it gets upgraded when new version is available in their repos |
| 19:45.09 | sepski | ewanm89, YOU have to fix it since it's a problem with YOUR setup, you must eiter use the old style hash or upgrade the client. there is no other solution |
| 19:45.48 | sidjster | just seems like they dont want you to forget |
| 19:45.51 | ewanm89 | sepski: It is totally upgraded other than spamass-milter |
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| 19:46.19 | ma3x | I updated firefox/iceweasel. wtf did my bookmarks go? |
| 19:46.26 | silox | Im getting this errror "Path is not Writable -- make sure you chmod +w this path" when i try do set a mounted smb share as Download folder in TorrentFlux. I have chmoded the directory to 777... Any ideas? |
| 19:46.28 | sepski | ewanm89, is there a bug# for it ? |
| 19:46.35 | ewanm89 | sidjster: compiz is not so good it doesn't include Beryl manager or most the plugins |
| 19:46.57 | BrickTop | I'm looking to upgrade my php version to 4.4 on a LAMP running sarge. Is php4.4 found only in unnoficial repositories or am I wrong? |
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| 19:47.04 | tzafrir_laptop | silox, are you sure you changed the right path? |
| 19:47.15 | ewanm89 | sepski: Can't find one and the server was set up as default on the version before |
| 19:47.16 | ma3x | hey help here |
| 19:47.43 | silox | tzafrir_laptop: i think so, yes |
| 19:47.43 | valdyn | silox: why are you assuming that your samba share supports unix permissions? |
| 19:47.53 | tzafrir_laptop | silox, maybe there is a directory above it that is totally unreadable, and the error message is bogus? |
| 19:48.05 | ewanm89 | sepski: There aren't any error messages to it just returns the login screens when using php |
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| 19:48.33 | bigwig | ewanm89: set password for 'user'@'localhost' = old_password('password'); <- that does the trick |
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| 19:48.44 | silox | tzafrir_laptop: the directory is /media/download chould i chmod /media to? |
| 19:48.45 | anirban | hi |
| 19:49.03 | valdyn | silox: ffs, no |
| 19:49.04 | ma3x | how do I downgrade a package? |
| 19:49.05 | anirban | I am trying to compile xgl server but in ./configure I am getting error |
| 19:49.06 | bigwig | sepski: thank you very much for your help. |
| 19:49.06 | ma3x | with aptitude? |
| 19:49.10 | tzafrir_laptop | silox, where do you get that ,essage from? |
| 19:49.18 | valdyn | anirban: why? what's wrong with aiglx? |
| 19:49.23 | silox | valdyn, thought so ^^ |
| 19:49.30 | anirban | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XLIB, x11) syntax error before XGL |
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| 19:49.59 | valdyn | !xgl |
| 19:49.59 | dpkg | it has been said that xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 19:49.59 | silox | tzafrir_laptop: in the settings panel in TorrentFlux, when i try to set /media/download/ as Download folder |
| 19:50.02 | tzafrir_laptop | anybody knows an imap client (except mutt and pine) that supports connecting to a remote imap server through a custom command? |
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| 19:50.22 | ma3x | valdyn: I just upgradede firefox and it removed all of my settings. how do I downgrade it? |
| 19:50.26 | Crissi | hello |
| 19:50.32 | tzafrir_laptop | Such a command should, e.g. ssh to a different server and run the imapd in a pre-authenticated mode |
| 19:50.41 | anirban | ohh it is gone |
| 19:50.41 | ewanm89 | bigwig: Thats a lot of passwords one fore the blog one for the wiki one for everything plus the mysql console works fine with those passwords |
| 19:50.47 | BrickTop | guys anyone knows a reliable unofficial repository with php4.4 packages? |
| 19:50.48 | Crissi | its possible to install grub on a xfs partition and boot it? |
| 19:50.53 | anirban | just run the ./autogen.sh again |
| 19:50.59 | Crissi | grub runs from mbr |
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| 19:51.09 | anirban | I did not install the pkg-config before |
| 19:51.23 | valdyn | Crissi: im sure the grub documentation can tell you which fs it supports. |
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| 19:51.31 | Crissi | sure? |
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| 19:51.40 | tzafrir_laptop | silox, instead of 777, why not make it owned by you, or in a group to which you belong? |
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| 19:51.53 | eshaase | can anyone help me out? i'm trying to have apt-get always prompt for a confirmation whenever i install a package... any ideas? |
| 19:51.54 | ewanm89 | aiglx uses hardware support to |
| 19:52.04 | bigwig | ewanm89: look at this page: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/old-client.html and decide if you upgrade your client or reset your passwords. i suggest that you reset your passwords as i did. |
| 19:52.12 | silox | tzafrir_laptop: iĺl try that! |
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| 19:52.35 | tzafrir_laptop | silox, maybe the program fails to write to a specific file in that directory? strace would be able to tell you which test the program does, if you can't think of a better method |
| 19:52.37 | valdyn | anirban: its silly to mess with xgl when you already have a working solution ( depending on your hardware ) installed. |
| 19:52.46 | dkr | eshaase: --trivial-only |
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| 19:53.41 | hark | eshaase: aptitude can with -P |
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| 19:54.06 | ewanm89 | aiglx is rumored to be better as it was started by the open source fedora devs instead of a propeitary novell dev |
| 19:54.11 | valdyn | silox: smb shares don't have to support unix permissions at all, read the manpage, you need some mask in your mount command or fstab line |
| 19:54.13 | hark | it's better to use aptitude anyway.. |
| 19:54.25 | dkr | valdyn: they do, though |
| 19:54.43 | valdyn | dkr: silox's shares do? how to you know? |
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| 19:54.55 | silox | valdyn, i have umask 000, the mount works great to copy files to etc. in the terminal its only in torrentflux i get errors... |
| 19:54.59 | dkr | valdyn: "<valdyn> silox: smb shares don't have to support unix permissions at all" |
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| 19:55.05 | marc\cba | anyone know how to sync the time with an ntp time source like ntp.pool.europe.org or whatever? |
| 19:55.24 | marc\cba | ah, with europe.pool.ntp.org |
| 19:55.27 | rahul | apt-get install ntp-client |
| 19:55.46 | valdyn | silox: i see, maybe torentflux is failing to set permissions |
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| 19:56.04 | silox | valdyn, i dont think it even tries to set permissions.. |
| 19:56.07 | wwallace | hello to all please help |
| 19:56.11 | wwallace | http://pastebin.com/884660 |
| 19:56.18 | ewanm89 | bigwig: it was using mysql-server-5 before the problems started anyway |
| 19:56.23 | wwallace | im trying to install that...... |
| 19:56.26 | valdyn | silox: i don't see what else it can try that would fail, when you really have sufficient permissions |
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| 19:56.34 | wwallace | http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=266 |
| 19:57.00 | eshaase | hark: i don't use aptitude =( |
| 19:57.29 | eshaase | hark: was hoping there was an option for apt-get... i like to review my install before installing and a forced confirmation would be nice... |
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| 19:57.56 | abrotman | wwallace: ask #beryl .. beryl isn't in debian |
| 19:58.06 | bigwig | ewanm89: your problem is the same as mine. i had a database under mysql5. i dumped it and imported under 5.0.30 (on a different server, but that's irrelevant). after that i could not connect. reset your passwords. |
| 19:58.19 | hark | eshaase: doesn't it do so already, .. unless it's for a single package IIRC |
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| 19:58.44 | valdyn | beryl is junk, compiz is nice, sure people chose the one not in debian ;), just mho |
| 19:58.54 | Gokee2 | How can I tell what is using my usb port? scanimage says its busy. |
| 19:59.04 | hasbi | valdyn: is there cgwd on debian? |
| 19:59.06 | rahul | Gokee2: fuser |
| 19:59.07 | silox | valdyn, im getting problems when i try to download to the mount point with ktorrent to... ktorrent youst freezes after a short time of downloading... |
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| 19:59.28 | PepoBSD | i am doing apttitude update and i have error with gpg |
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| 20:00.33 | streuner | PepoBSD: /topic |
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| 20:01.09 | Zta | stew, hi, are you there? I'd like some advice on ivman. I'd like /etc/init.d/ivman to start no as a special user always; not system-wide -- I get too many permission issues otherwise. Can this be done in a swift way through command line option, eg. given though /etc/default/ivman? |
| 20:01.21 | tzafrir_laptop | hmmm... sylpheed-claws seems to support this |
| 20:01.28 | ewanm89 | valdyn: Only because beryl is younger in development, compiz is heavy novell dev while Beryl is a true community fork but they keep porting across also Beryl dev Quinn-storm is trying to work with metiisse to help all three projects. |
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| 20:02.31 | x_link | Hi |
| 20:02.44 | x_link | I just put a second harddrive in this Debian machine. |
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| 20:02.49 | valdyn | ewanm89: maybe, im not into politics, i just used both |
| 20:02.50 | x_link | Can I format that hardrive as NTFS? |
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| 20:03.07 | rahul | x_link: not from linux. |
| 20:03.12 | valdyn | ewanm89: metisse is what? another fork? |
| 20:03.12 | x_link | hrmm ok |
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| 20:03.20 | x_link | I want to format it as ntfs, and then take it out. |
| 20:03.20 | rahul | x_link: why are you asking this again? |
| 20:03.25 | rahul | ... |
| 20:03.26 | Gokee2 | rahul, What would my usb port be called? |
| 20:03.32 | x_link | rahul: I haven't asked this before? |
| 20:03.33 | rahul | Gokee2: you tell me. what is using it. |
| 20:03.46 | rahul | x_link: you've asked about using ntfs in linux, I thought |
| 20:03.48 | valdyn | ewanm89: if one of those 3 gets acceptable window resize performance i'll use that ;) |
| 20:03.53 | PepoBSD | i do this apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update but same problem |
| 20:03.58 | x_link | rahul: hehe no- |
| 20:04.01 | x_link | This is the first time |
| 20:04.08 | rahul | if not, you should pay more attention to what's going on around you |
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| 20:04.21 | Zta | stew, sorry, I gotta go now. If you have a one-line-answer I'll get it. In any case, I'll get back to you ;) |
| 20:04.22 | rahul | about 3 people every day ask about ntfs on linux, it seems |
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| 20:04.53 | Gokee2 | rahul, Is it somewhere in /dev? How would I go about finding it? fuser only tells my what is using it if I know what its called |
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| 20:05.01 | Gokee2 | me* |
| 20:05.17 | rahul | Gokee2: you're the one saying some app is telling you the device is in use |
| 20:05.24 | rahul | Gokee2: what device did you tell it to use? |
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| 20:06.15 | ewanm89 | valdyn: Metisse is a whole new project focussing on UI usability http://insitu.lri.fr/metisse/ mettise uses no hardware acceleration and what graphics card do you have |
| 20:06.22 | Gokee2 | rahul, I did not tell it it helps itself it says what it can`t open is "niash:libusb:001:007 failed: Device busy" |
| 20:06.40 | olly | im trying to generate a ssl certificate for apache2, and loads of sites refer to `apache2-ssl-certificate` which I cant find anywhere on my system |
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| 20:06.50 | sepski | olly, etch ? |
| 20:07.16 | olly | sepski, yeah, has it been removed? |
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| 20:07.58 | ewanm89 | valdyn DCC chat about beryl/compiz/metisse? |
| 20:07.59 | rahul | Gokee2: I have no idea what that string is |
| 20:08.24 | valdyn | evanpro: i don't think its offtopic really |
| 20:08.37 | aidehua_ | Can I see which files are cached? |
| 20:08.51 | sepski | olly, replaced by make-ssl-cert, do make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil to generate a bogus selfsigned one |
| 20:09.03 | Gokee2 | rahul, from lsusb the device I want to find out who is using is "Bus 001 Device 007: ID 03f0:0205 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 3300c" |
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| 20:09.22 | aidehua_ | tdef: are you a "shout at unregistered people" bot? |
| 20:09.28 | rahul | Gokee2: you need to see what actual device node is created... |
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| 20:09.40 | eshaase | hark: yes, but i want apt-get to prompt me if its only a single package also |
| 20:09.40 | concept10 | !ops tdef is causing havoc in the channel |
| 20:09.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: concept10 complains about: tdef is causing havoc in the channel |
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| 20:09.46 | Gokee2 | rahul, How do I do that? |
| 20:09.59 | rahul | hmm |
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| 20:10.21 | peterS | good call, LoRez |
| 20:10.27 | concept10 | doesnt work with me buddy |
| 20:10.30 | olly | sepski, thanks |
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| 20:10.43 | rahul | Gokee2: dunno. I usually know what kinds of devices I'm trying to use heh |
| 20:10.58 | rahul | never used a scanner, so I don't know how they show up |
| 20:11.02 | ewanm89 | valdyn: DCC chat? |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | valdyn: send pixxx! |
| 20:11.12 | Gokee2 | Hmm ok.... |
| 20:11.17 | valdyn | ewanm89: nope |
| 20:11.23 | bigwig | goodbye all |
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| 20:11.32 | valdyn | metisse is indeed cool though |
| 20:11.38 | ranpha | Fellow does anybody know a irc chat program where you connect to by a webgui? (which support DCC/Xdcc)? |
| 20:12.02 | ewanm89 | ranpha: Sorry no |
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| 20:12.08 | HymnToLife | ranpha, pjirc is a java-based IRC client that supports dcc |
| 20:12.28 | rahul | ranpha: http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:12.32 | ewanm89 | valdyn: What irc client are you using |
| 20:13.12 | valdyn | ewanm89: irssi |
| 20:13.38 | ewanm89 | valdyn: You can have all three installed and try them all. AIGLX/GLX/NVIDIA Drivers do the hardware acceleration |
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| 20:14.08 | valdyn | ewanm89: i did, except metisse |
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| 20:14.40 | cr3 | is there a way to automatically accept hosts into ~/.ssh/known_hosts when ssh'ing somewhere? |
| 20:14.52 | ewanm89 | valdyn: So irssi dosen't support DCC? |
| 20:14.56 | ewanm89 | valdyn: Nice to see you on oftc as well |
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| 20:15.08 | ranpha | CGIirc looks good. No java here firefox crashes. But i keepw wondering if i connect to a fserve and close my browser will it contuine to stay online? |
| 20:15.16 | valdyn | ewanm89: sure it does |
| 20:15.18 | ewanm89 | valdyn: latest RC version of Beryl? |
| 20:15.47 | ewanm89 | valdyn: Why no to DCC then? |
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| 20:16.11 | valdyn | ewanm89: i have things to do, im not focused on irc |
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| 20:16.57 | ewanm89 | valdyn: OK, what graphics card do you have? |
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| 20:18.05 | cr3 | nevermind, I found it: StrictHostKeyChecking |
| 20:18.05 | ewanm89 | valdyn: Metisse is only a few months old but Mandrivia are already using it |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | mandriva .. the measure of stability ... |
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| 20:20.59 | Surferdude | Hi again |
| 20:21.02 | Surferdude | was wondering... |
| 20:21.20 | mhall | Bloody Monday! |
| 20:21.45 | Surferdude | if i did apt-get install x-window-system, how do i get twm to start when i type startx |
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| 20:21.51 | Surferdude | sorry, computer lag |
| 20:22.01 | PepoBSD | Surferdude, .xinitrc |
| 20:22.11 | apk | Surferdude: apt-get install twm && echo "twm" >> ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:22.13 | ewanm89 | abrotman: Hence why I use debian |
| 20:22.25 | PepoBSD | apk, exec ? |
| 20:22.31 | Surferdude | xinitrc is in your home directory? |
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| 20:22.36 | apk | PepoBSD: exec? |
| 20:22.38 | PepoBSD | yes |
| 20:22.43 | PepoBSD | exec twm |
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| 20:22.48 | hark | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 20:23.02 | apk | PepoBSD: Why exec? |
| 20:23.09 | PepoBSD | i think |
| 20:23.19 | PepoBSD | maybe its not necesary |
| 20:23.30 | apk | PepoBSD: I have never used exec, but I might if you give me a good reason. |
| 20:23.38 | Surferdude | Also, now that i have X server installed, will SSH X fowarding work now? |
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| 20:23.54 | apk | Surferdude: I think it is disabled by default in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:23.54 | Surferdude | via the programs provided by apt-get install ssh |
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| 20:24.18 | PepoBSD | apk, no good reason |
| 20:24.29 | PepoBSD | u strike |
| 20:24.31 | apk | Surferdude: set X11Forwarding to "yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:25.01 | Surferdude | so when i ssh into a box and run xterm, it should display? |
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| 20:25.44 | apk | Surferdude: X11Forwarding has to be enabled on the box you are sshing to, not your local machine. |
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| 20:26.26 | Surferdude | ah , ok |
| 20:26.35 | abrotman | apk: it replaces the shell |
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| 20:26.45 | Surferdude | I'm trying to build a thin client server from scratch |
| 20:27.02 | Deepa | It has to be supported on your local machine, and enabled on the remote server |
| 20:27.02 | apk | abrotman: Why is it a good idea to replace the shell? |
| 20:27.08 | eshaase | i accidently installed a virtual package with apt-get and i'm trying to remove it and all of the dependencies that I just installed but when i apt-get remove the dependency it only remove the top-level package... any way to try to do what i'm doing? |
| 20:27.14 | abrotman | apk: no need to keep the shell |
| 20:27.20 | dimitri | is it possible to select all the content of a text file into the buffer ctrl+c being vim |
| 20:27.24 | Deepa | apk: you can see that it works even :) |
| 20:27.30 | dimitri | being in vim sorru |
| 20:27.33 | dimitri | sorryu |
| 20:27.41 | Deepa | sorry* |
| 20:27.55 | dimitri | :S |
| 20:28.18 | apk | Huh. I never realized I have /bin/sh running in there. |
| 20:28.21 | apk | I love htop. |
| 20:28.38 | dimitri | Deepa: can I select all the text in vim and put it into the buffer ? |
| 20:28.52 | Deepa | I Use emacs |
| 20:29.07 | apk | Deepa: 1GVGy |
| 20:29.13 | dimitri | ah |
| 20:29.15 | Deepa | Look, i just lied |
| 20:29.19 | Deepa | So that people wouldnt ask me questions about vim |
| 20:29.22 | Deepa | I Use pico/nano |
| 20:29.22 | dimitri | and in emacs ? |
| 20:29.32 | Deepa | actually, i lied more |
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| 20:29.34 | Deepa | i use cat5 |
| 20:29.35 | Deepa | :p |
| 20:29.44 | dimitri | anyone please ? |
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| 20:29.51 | abrotman | Deepa: then shut up already |
| 20:30.05 | Deepa | I Have |
| 20:30.05 | apk | dimitri: ^X^Cvim^M (: |
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| 20:31.12 | dimitri | apk should I type this ? after : ? |
| 20:31.21 | eshaase | i accidently installed a virtual package with apt-get and i'm trying to remove it and all of the dependencies that I just installed but when i apt-get remove the virtual package it only removes the top-level package... any way to try to do undo my install cleanly? |
| 20:31.33 | apk | dimitri: All I know how to do in emacs is exit. |
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| 20:31.53 | esters | Hi, after todays upgrade from Iceweasel 2.0.0.1-dfsg-2 to dfsg-3 all my previous settings, include bookmarks, RSS are gone , the version is "sid" |
| 20:32.00 | hark | eshaase: see, that's why you should use aptitude... ;) |
| 20:32.01 | dimitri | apk, what you gave me, should I type it in vim ? |
| 20:32.17 | apk | eshaase: I think you have to do it by hand. /var/log/dpkg.log might help you. |
| 20:32.20 | eshaase | hark: so i take it theres no way other than to look at /var/log/dpkg.log and manually do it? |
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| 20:32.23 | eshaase | ok |
| 20:32.28 | jetscreamer | esters: it's usually under ~/.mozilla-firefox, iirc.. they may have changed the dirs maybe |
| 20:32.29 | apk | dimitri: 1GVGy |
| 20:32.34 | hark | esters: BTS! |
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| 20:32.39 | dimitri | apk: ? |
| 20:32.40 | esters | hark: ? |
| 20:32.45 | esters | what is BTS! ? |
| 20:32.48 | dimitri | apk: what is that ? |
| 20:32.55 | jetscreamer | bts is this thingy |
| 20:32.57 | hark | !tell esters -about bts |
| 20:32.58 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 20:32.58 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:32.58 | maddash | ??? |
| 20:32.58 | apk | dimitri: 1G = go to first line. V = select line. G = go to last line. y = yank. |
| 20:33.18 | esters | thank you |
| 20:33.21 | hark | !btssmite esters |
| 20:33.28 | jetscreamer | make that ~/.mozilla |
| 20:33.37 | hark | esters: it's there along with the fix |
| 20:33.39 | jetscreamer | /firefox |
| 20:34.20 | hark | they changed ~/.mozilla/firefox/ to iceweasel. And the profiles are under firefox.. |
| 20:34.34 | esters | thanks hark & jetscreamer |
| 20:34.57 | jetscreamer | i'm about to do the same upgrade it seems |
| 20:34.59 | dimitri | apk I am not sure to follow |
| 20:35.01 | jetscreamer | we shall see |
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| 20:35.24 | Surferdude | twm: cannot open display "" |
| 20:35.28 | dimitri | is there a way to copy all the content of a text file whatever the editor used |
| 20:35.35 | Surferdude | anyone know what thats about |
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| 20:35.46 | Surferdude | i tried adding -display 0 |
| 20:35.49 | hark | heh, I'm surprised there are not too many people already here with this iceweasel problem.. |
| 20:36.21 | pickcoder | lynx never fails me |
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| 20:36.26 | VImtermute | gotta go ppl, later |
| 20:36.30 | ScribbleJ | Konqueror ++ |
| 20:36.31 | hark | once they restart the browser, maybe |
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| 20:36.48 | Solak | anyone here who has experience with debian testing and the ATI X800 pro gfx card? |
| 20:36.52 | ewanm89 | Konqueror too |
| 20:36.57 | OleMoudi | how come sarge default apt repositories come with kmldonkey and without mldonkey itself? |
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| 20:38.19 | dkr | policy violations I would guess |
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| 20:38.33 | apk | dimitri: You have vim open, and you want to copy the whole file to the clipboard? |
| 20:38.51 | dimitri | yep |
| 20:39.13 | dimitri | apk: yes exactly |
| 20:39.21 | justin | dimitri: why would you want to do something like that? |
| 20:39.32 | apk | dimitri: in vim, type: 1GVG"y |
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| 20:39.42 | OleMoudi | dkr, it appears to be included in unstable sources |
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| 20:40.10 | dimitri | apk, not an editor command |
| 20:40.11 | Solak | for some reason kde (I expect xorg) sets the screen to 60Hz instead of 75... and I have no idea how to change that (I set the proper refresh rates). |
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| 20:40.14 | jetscreamer | because the riaa targets donkey? (a guess) |
| 20:40.21 | dimitri | justin: could you be more constructive ? |
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| 20:40.28 | apk | dimitri: What isn't an editor command? |
| 20:40.35 | justin | dimitri: eh? could you be more specific? |
| 20:40.42 | dimitri | what you ask me to type that is the answer I get |
| 20:41.02 | dimitri | justin: forget it |
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| 20:41.17 | alephant | Hi all... |
| 20:41.26 | alephant | ...I am having trouble mounting a device which is listed by UUID in /etc/fstab |
| 20:41.35 | alephant | I copied the UUID from /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 20:41.41 | alephant | and the fstab entry looks like: |
| 20:41.53 | alephant | UUID=d2ff0821-c2f2-986d-e88e-c9db4ac0beb4 /backup/volume reiserfs defaults,user 0 0 |
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| 20:42.24 | justin | dimitri: why don't you lose the atitide and re-state your question so that it makes sense |
| 20:42.31 | alephant | but when trying to ``mount /backup/volume'' the system complains ``special device ... does not exist'' |
| 20:42.43 | alephant | s/.../the uuid in question |
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| 20:42.51 | alephant | What's wrong? |
| 20:43.01 | apk | dimitri: 1GVG will select everything in vim. |
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| 20:43.43 | ScribbleJ | That's G as in upper-case G as in hold shif when you hit it. |
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| 20:44.04 | justin | alephant: I suppose you could put /dev/disk/by-uuid/d2ff... instead.. |
| 20:44.06 | sane23 | is it possible to know , or get the summary of what i installed (using apt) few days back ? |
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| 20:44.22 | valdyn | sane23: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:44.23 | alephant | justin: you're right; I could do that |
| 20:44.27 | ScribbleJ | sane - less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:44.28 | justin | apk: the problem is not that he didn't type what you told him to, it is that he typed too much |
| 20:44.30 | ScribbleJ | doh |
| 20:45.01 | justin | alephant: of course the UUID= thing should work too... |
| 20:45.03 | sane23 | lol , thanks that was fast bye |
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| 20:45.26 | apk | justin: I'm not really sure how to get what I have selected in vim to the buffer. "y does it in gvim. |
| 20:45.27 | alephant | Yes, it should. And I can mount the device by hand, so I know it's good... |
| 20:46.00 | justin | apk: I'm still not sure wtf he is trying to do in the first place |
| 20:46.04 | alephant | So whatever -- /dev/disk/by-uuid works; UUID= doesn't. |
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| 20:46.18 | apk | justin: Most likely something better done by writing to a file. |
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| 20:46.46 | justin | apk: which is why I asked him why, but he gave me an attitude rather than answering :) |
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| 20:48.49 | Zta | is there a simple way to make my pc's speaker say beep? perhaps though a device? |
| 20:48.58 | abrotman | !beep |
| 20:48.58 | dpkg | beep is, like, /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 20:49.08 | Zta | =) |
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| 20:50.12 | Zta | echo depends on the console being configured properly |
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| 20:50.14 | Zta | I'll try "beep" |
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| 20:51.10 | abrotman | fix more bugs .. slacker! |
| 20:51.14 | solemnwarning | The RC bugs keep going down a little then going back up |
| 20:51.21 | solemnwarning | 1. I'm not a debian dev |
| 20:51.30 | abrotman | 1a. anyone can fix bugs |
| 20:51.31 | ScribbleJ | That's hardly an excuse. Become one. |
| 20:51.36 | solemnwarning | 2. I doubt I even know anything about fixing the bugs in software package foo |
| 20:51.46 | abrotman | 2a. you can try if you're interested |
| 20:51.46 | solemnwarning | apk: Maybe |
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| 20:51.52 | pickcoder | solemnwarning: some of them aren't even code related bugs |
| 20:51.55 | ScribbleJ | 2. There aren't any bugs reported for foo. Fix another package. |
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| 20:56.41 | abrotman | solemnwarning: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
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| 20:58.42 | solemnwarning | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch&sortby=packages&new=7&refresh=1800 <-- So this is the list of bugs that need fixing before etch is released? |
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| 21:03.07 | ewanm89 | php mysql access still not working |
| 21:03.20 | warlocky | Anyone knows how to make apache support swedish letters (ÄÅÖ) ? |
| 21:03.21 | guiden | Is there a debian version to amd64 computers? |
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| 21:03.28 | warlocky | or your linux box overall to support ÄÅÖ ? |
| 21:03.30 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 21:03.30 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing audio/realtime work |
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| 21:04.03 | ScribbleJ | Solemn: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 21:04.13 | warlocky | Anyone know how to make your box support swedish letters, such as ÅÄÖ ? |
| 21:04.35 | zamuro | warlocky: Installing locales-sw, I guess. |
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| 21:04.50 | warlocky | zamuro, can you give me the exact command for it? and do I need to reboot? |
| 21:04.57 | apk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.58 | apk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.58 | apk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.13 | apk | oops. sorry. |
| 21:05.25 | zamuro | warlocky: Why rebooting on linux? every time you reboot you linux God kills a kitty. |
| 21:05.44 | solemnwarning | zamuro: What about kernel upgrades? |
| 21:05.46 | ScribbleJ | zamuro, kernel upgrade! |
| 21:05.54 | ScribbleJ | You need your kernel fixes! |
| 21:05.56 | zamuro | ScribbleJ: That's different |
| 21:06.04 | ScribbleJ | Different how? |
| 21:06.15 | jZed | my usb wifi dongle sees one of the two networks in the house, not the one providing dhcp unfortunately, iwconfig essid myessid does nothing ... what should I try? |
| 21:06.19 | zamuro | Different from rebooting after installing locale-sw |
| 21:06.26 | ScribbleJ | Sure. |
| 21:06.26 | hark | kexec can help there.. |
| 21:06.27 | ScribbleJ | But |
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| 21:06.32 | danilom | 65208 ficheros y directorios instalados actualmente.) |
| 21:06.32 | danilom | Desinstalando ttf-opensymbol ... |
| 21:06.32 | danilom | Updating fontconfig cache... |
| 21:06.32 | danilom | "/usr/share/fonts": error scanning |
| 21:06.32 | danilom | "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts": error scanning |
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| 21:06.38 | ScribbleJ | Saying you should never reboot linux is saying you've got a badly patched system. |
| 21:06.45 | justin | jZed: does that network require encryption? |
| 21:06.49 | zamuro | ScribbleJ: Of course... |
| 21:06.49 | justin | jZed: mac address filtering? |
| 21:06.57 | jZed | nope, both off until I get it working |
| 21:06.58 | ScribbleJ | And incidentally. |
| 21:07.07 | zamuro | I'm not saying you can't ever reboot. |
| 21:07.13 | ScribbleJ | Incidentally: god kills kittens just because He's a giant ass... he doesn't need a *reason*. |
| 21:07.38 | zamuro | Anyway... |
| 21:07.47 | zamuro | apt-get install -y locale-sw |
| 21:07.55 | zamuro | That's all you've gotta do. |
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| 21:09.25 | zamuro | Or try apt-get install -y kde-i18n-sv if you already got kde installed |
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| 21:11.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:11.22 | dpkg | qotd95 is, like, <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
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| 21:13.07 | jae | Anyone know why Emacs acts up when displaying an svn log? |
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| 21:15.02 | ScribbleJ | I'm not an emacs user but I'd have to guess it's got some misbehaving script that tries to parse the log and fails. |
| 21:15.10 | raf256 | I think the new Iceweasel/Icedowe icons are totally shitty |
| 21:15.24 | raf256 | what can be done with it? report a wishlist bug? |
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| 21:15.40 | jae | It displays the log alright... it just is 100% CPU-busy for some reason |
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| 21:16.05 | rahul | jae: it's got to parse the log, correlate it to files, create buttons |
| 21:16.06 | solemnwarning | jae: Well, the emacs OS is rather CPU intensive compared to a text editor |
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| 21:16.31 | jae | But not *that* CPU intensive |
| 21:16.36 | ScribbleJ | Or a lighter, more legacy-free OS, like Windows. |
| 21:16.38 | maddash | !emacs os |
| 21:16.48 | apk | raf256: I think the icedove icon looks like a guy with a round nose and bad hair. |
| 21:16.50 | rahul | jae: how many files? |
| 21:17.01 | raf256 | apk: exacly the same here! thank you |
| 21:17.15 | jae | rahul: just one |
| 21:17.17 | apk | raf256: I like the iceweasel one though. Make your own icon and submit it. |
| 21:17.34 | rahul | jae: uh. strange. |
| 21:17.36 | raf256 | apk: to me both look like a head of some humanoid mutant with terrible hair |
| 21:17.43 | dembug | Hmm, I'm trying to generate an initrd in sarge 2.4 for my 2.6 kernel I've installed (for some reason I have no initrd) i definately passed --initrd in make-kpkg, and mkinitrd -o /boot/mynewinitrdetc.img 2.6.20 runs and returns no error code but no initrd is generated |
| 21:17.46 | jae | I run svn-status, then "l" for a log on a file, which comes up, but each "cursor-down" press takes seemingly forever |
| 21:17.47 | mindframe | how do you rename workspaces in fluxbox? |
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| 21:18.31 | raf256 | apk: and worst: icedove, iceweasel, and compose-email window icons are almost identical - making it less comfortable to switch between them with alt+tab when looking @ icon only |
| 21:18.32 | dembug | i'm looking for alternatives and have since found a sarge backport, but i think its intended for users of 2.6.11 and later (with udev), is there any alternative that'll help me generate an initrd for my installed 2.6 kernel-image from my 2.4 install? |
| 21:18.37 | jae | I upgraded a number of things the last 2 days or so, so something seems to be sort-of broken |
| 21:18.46 | jae | Just have to find out which :P |
| 21:18.47 | rahul | jae: oh, svn-log |
| 21:18.58 | rahul | yeah, that's damn fast for me |
| 21:19.18 | jae | I'm pretty sure I upgraded both emacs21 (et al) and subversion |
| 21:19.28 | foyleaber | I got an odd issue. I got a new dedicated server, and I installed Apache2 without realizing Apache1.3.x was already installed. How can I safemly remove Apache1.3? |
| 21:19.29 | jae | I'm on unstable, of course |
| 21:19.48 | jae | rahul: it was for me too... up til now |
| 21:20.08 | apk | raf256: DO you happen to know if icedove/thunderbird somehow lets you set an arbitrary From address in the composer? |
| 21:20.18 | jae | It seems to be something with the redisplay |
| 21:20.24 | rahul | jae: oh, scrolling within the log is slow... |
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| 21:20.41 | rahul | jae: C-h k <down> and see what command it's bound to |
| 21:20.49 | jae | Because changing workspaces and then changing back, it takes ages (it feels liek forever) to show up anything again |
| 21:20.54 | raf256 | apk: no. this is another sucky thing about it |
| 21:21.06 | raf256 | apk: why not report it as a bug? |
| 21:21.07 | abrotman | raf256: i have a great idea .. stop using debian ... |
| 21:21.13 | rahul | jae: hmm, and emacs has cpu 100% pegged? |
| 21:21.16 | jae | rahul: I tried that, but it went into "I not say you no nothing" mode :P |
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| 21:21.28 | raf256 | abrotman: I have awesome idea, why not **** **** *** *****? |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | what? |
| 21:21.41 | jae | yup, ~100% according to top (CPU is at 0% idle) |
| 21:21.52 | abrotman | raf256: if you don't like the OS you're using .. change it .. you've got a choice |
| 21:21.53 | rahul | jae: all emacs? |
| 21:22.12 | raf256 | abrotman: others are also sub-perfect. I am helping debian to be more awesome |
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| 21:22.25 | jae | If emacs is the only big process running, yes (I have something eating CPU right now, but that's a known "problem" :P) |
| 21:22.33 | rahul | raf256: no, you're annoying debian users |
| 21:22.48 | rahul | raf256: if you have better icons, submit them to the developers |
| 21:22.52 | abrotman | !beer rahul |
| 21:22.57 | raf256 | rahul: ok, one second |
| 21:23.07 | jae | I killed emacs (again)... now for some actual tests |
| 21:23.18 | abrotman | god damn troll |
| 21:23.22 | raf256 | rahul: ok, where to can I submit the better looking icons |
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| 21:23.36 | dembug | hmm, if mkinitrd -o kernelimg.img 2.6.20 fails on my 2.4.26 is it a good idea to try and generate it with mkcramfs instead? |
| 21:23.40 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org |
| 21:23.41 | rahul | raf256: the same place you got the icons from |
| 21:23.44 | raf256 | no seriously, ANY icond would be better. take KDE icon of a globe/internet |
| 21:23.50 | justin | raf256: it's much easier if you make alt-tab actually switch between windows, instead of just popping up the window list |
| 21:23.50 | jae | Oh, reminds me I have a can of Guiness in the fridge :) |
| 21:23.51 | dembug | for some reason mkinitrd isnt outputing the file :D |
| 21:24.16 | dembug | i don't get why i get a 0 exit status but it doesnt generate it ;( |
| 21:24.28 | raf256 | justin: hm? |
| 21:25.03 | raf256 | justin: I am using now like 10 windows; when icons of both www and email are idenical its harder to switch using alt+tab or mouse and system tray... |
| 21:25.03 | jae | Dang, it's slow in text-mode too :P |
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| 21:25.12 | jae | But quicker than in X :) |
| 21:25.13 | abrotman | see .. whining! |
| 21:25.24 | raf256 | describing problem |
| 21:25.26 | justin | raf256: well also, don't put 10 windows all on the same workspace... |
| 21:25.41 | jae | Now, looking at the net... because it stutters when I hit an "r" line |
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| 21:26.25 | sineer | hello, any dpkg gurus know how I could hack a postinstall script to append something in my udev.rules ONLY if it isn't in the config file already (so that it modify the config twice) ? I tought of creating an empty mydev_configured file in /etc somewhere so 'mark' the config has been made but this isn't fool proof... |
| 21:26.39 | zamuro | !ask |
| 21:26.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:27.03 | justin | sineer: can't you use /etc/udev/rules.d? |
| 21:27.13 | sineer | oh yeah.. I could hhe |
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| 21:27.17 | sineer | thanks justin :) |
| 21:27.44 | raf256 | I have a problem with my jimmy; I'm running Debian version testing. when I try to do get laid I get the following output TOO_SOFT. I expected it to do the lady. |
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| 21:28.51 | fireba11 | raf256: i'd rather expect you get access denied ^^ |
| 21:29.15 | raf256 | justin: yeah, I forgot a bit about the desktops... |
| 21:29.31 | maddash | what's a jimmy? |
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| 21:29.41 | maddash | !jimmy |
| 21:29.42 | dpkg | i guess jimmy is the one who is called pangzi |
| 21:29.48 | raf256 | !pangzi |
| 21:30.03 | anapivirtua | Night all. |
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| 21:30.58 | dembug | is there something else i can use other than mkinitrd to generate an initrd for my kernel-image-2.6.20 ? |
| 21:31.12 | markybob | son of a bitch! fucking fuck! damn iceweasel maintainer, whoever you are! |
| 21:31.29 | dembug | im using 2.4.26 to generate it so im having problems that initrd-tools doesnt want to make the image for me |
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| 21:32.30 | fireba11 | markybob : ? |
| 21:32.30 | raf256 | dembug: I would build from source |
| 21:32.30 | earthian | hello, is there any way to see what memory timings i have? like what is my ddr.. 400 333 or 266 etc |
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| 21:32.36 | zackglennie | markybob: I'll bite. What's wrong with it? |
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| 21:32.39 | dembug | raf256 i have built from source |
| 21:32.47 | dembug | but for some reason it wasnt installed :< |
| 21:32.49 | raf256 | earthian: try hwinfo or memtest86 |
| 21:32.59 | markybob | zackglennie, fireba11 just upgraded and it wiped my mozilla profile. along with all my bookmarks |
| 21:33.14 | dembug | its meant to be 4096, or something and i doubled it heh |
| 21:33.28 | dembug | I might just remove the initrd line altogether tbh |
| 21:33.29 | hark | markybob: aww |
| 21:33.46 | markybob | do NOT upgrade iceweasel right now if you're in sid. you've been warned |
| 21:33.51 | dembug | this debian cramfs business always gets me. |
| 21:33.56 | dembug | :-) |
| 21:34.12 | hark | !dbugs 411475 |
| 21:34.15 | dpkg | #411475:S[iceweasel] iceweasel changes setting path from ~/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.mozilla/iceweasel without a warning; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:00:01 UTC |
| 21:34.29 | hark | markybob: ^ read and enjoy ;) |
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| 21:34.57 | zackglennie | so....does that indicate that markybob's bookmarks are intact, just in a different folder? |
| 21:35.01 | markybob | hark, oh, i'm enjoying it. i'm enjoying every fucking second of it. how hard is it to make a post-inst script that makes a symlink? |
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| 21:35.08 | markybob | hark ;) thanks for the tip, though |
| 21:35.37 | hark | they screwed up alright.. luckily it's simple to fix |
| 21:35.42 | foyleaber | christ compiling stuff from source always looks scary |
| 21:35.57 | dembug | what about yaird for 2.4.26? possible on sarge? |
| 21:36.11 | hark | and it's sid! |
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| 21:39.25 | jarg | heya all, someone has installed debian in a Sunfire V480? |
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| 21:43.07 | justin | jarg: someone probably has |
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| 21:46.04 | jarg | justin: ah ok, my question is very general, i really need to know if i have to boot from serial or something similar because i can't boot from the cd-rom, some problem about memory is showed, but letme document the problem and the i come back to ask |
| 21:46.16 | Caelum | anyone using 915resolution with a non-standard mode? |
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| 21:48.01 | Mooi | Hello, what is the best FTP server solution for web hosting? Also, how to set up a user account that would not allow logging in through ssh? |
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| 21:48.54 | markybob | Mooi, vsftpd. http://www.ssh.fi/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Restricting_User_Logins.html |
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| 21:49.30 | Mooi | thank you very much |
| 21:49.49 | Wanderer | If I have a 64bit Intel Core2 Duo and I want to put Debian Testing on it, what source do I want to use? |
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| 21:50.43 | Wanderer | I'd prefer to download via bittorrent, but I know I don't want amd64 |
| 21:50.52 | Wanderer | i386 is 32big |
| 21:50.52 | Wanderer | what's the intel 64bit? |
| 21:50.53 | HymnToLife | Wanderer, i386, or amd64 if you want 64 bit support |
| 21:51.05 | HymnToLife | !amd64 |
| 21:51.06 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing audio/realtime work |
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| 21:51.19 | Wanderer | ok, so i386 is actually intel 64 bit capable? |
| 21:51.25 | HymnToLife | no |
| 21:51.30 | HymnToLife | but amd64 is |
| 21:51.41 | Wanderer | um, ok, that's an ugly thought |
| 21:51.45 | abrotman | i386 can have a 64bit kernel |
| 21:51.50 | zackglennie | is amd64 the same thing as x86-64? |
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| 21:51.54 | HymnToLife | but not other 64bit binaries |
| 21:51.59 | markybob | abrotman, i dont think that's what was meant |
| 21:52.08 | Wanderer | I think Zack just asked my follow up question |
| 21:52.18 | Caelum | how do I update the grub files under /boot? |
| 21:52.30 | SHKY | Hi |
| 21:52.36 | HymnToLife | Caelum, grup-update |
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| 21:52.43 | HymnToLife | (or the other way around, not sure) |
| 21:52.56 | zackglennie | is there anyone here who's *very* familar with debootstrap? I got an error that doesn't have many hits on google: "E: Couldn't install root!" |
| 21:53.59 | markybob | abrotman, how'd your machine moves or whatever it was you said you had to do go? |
| 21:53.59 | Caelum | HymnToLife: thank you |
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| 21:54.16 | zackglennie | Wanderer: it looks like they are the same -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64 |
| 21:54.35 | ScribbleJ | zackglennie, there's usually a helpful log in the bootstrapped directories. |
| 21:54.43 | Wanderer | zak: yeah, agree (from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq) |
| 21:54.47 | Wanderer | many thanks guys |
| 21:54.51 | markybob | Wanderer, dont make yourself more confused. yes, you have an intel processor. yes, you should use the amd64 installer if you want the machine to run on 64-bit. |
| 21:55.04 | markybob | Wanderer, it's weird, but go with it :) |
| 21:55.12 | HardDisk_WP | Does anyone know a good Audio editing suoftware? |
| 21:55.13 | Wanderer | I thought "amd64" was tuned to the amd processor like the k7 kernels |
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| 21:55.18 | HardDisk_WP | Something like Goldwave |
| 21:55.21 | HymnToLife | markybob, it's not that weird |
| 21:55.29 | Caelum | what's a good vga mode to pass on the kernel command line? |
| 21:55.34 | HymnToLife | Intel's EM64T is just a reimplementation of AMD's AMD64 |
| 21:55.36 | ScribbleJ | Wanderer: you an install the amd64 arch but an emt64 kernel, that's for Xeon or whatever. |
| 21:55.39 | zackglennie | HardDisk_WP: you probably want audacity |
| 21:55.52 | HymnToLife | (actually, they even paid a license for it) |
| 21:56.03 | markybob | HymnToLife, it is to people who havent been following or know em64t is, etc. yes, for most geeks, we get it. but if he got it he wouldnt have asked |
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| 21:56.08 | HardDisk_WP | zackglennie, thx |
| 21:56.16 | HymnToLife | yep |
| 21:56.23 | HymnToLife | I was just explaining why ;) |
| 21:56.53 | zackglennie | ScribbleJ: debootstrap created several directories. where can I find the log? |
| 21:57.07 | zackglennie | ScribbleJ: nm, found it |
| 21:57.15 | ScribbleJ | :) |
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| 21:57.23 | ScribbleJ | I think it's in a debootstrap dir... but I'd have to look |
| 21:58.00 | zackglennie | ScribbleJ: it's either an empty file or a single byte with a space or a newline |
| 21:58.07 | ScribbleJ | Ack! |
| 21:58.09 | Caelum | does anyone have the xorg.conf settings for an LCD monitor? I keep getting a black screen, probably because my settings are wrong... |
| 21:58.09 | zackglennie | ScribbleJ: not much to go on, I'm afraid. |
| 21:58.18 | ScribbleJ | Yeah, you're past what I know how to help with. |
| 21:58.34 | zackglennie | ScribbleJ: maybe it's not a real error? |
| 21:58.37 | ScribbleJ | Maybe. |
| 21:58.39 | jeward | What package contains acinclude and friends? |
| 21:58.52 | ScribbleJ | Or maybe it's something really basic, like permissions on the directories you're debootstrapping? |
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| 21:59.15 | zackglennie | anything's possible, but I gave debootstrap root access with sudo |
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| 21:59.26 | zackglennie | so shouldn't that take care of perms? |
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| 22:00.17 | ScribbleJ | I would imagine so, but I'm not sure... I've had ocassional problems with sudo. You douls try becoming root and doing it that way -- just for a lark, you know. |
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| 22:00.32 | ScribbleJ | s/douls/should |
| 22:00.34 | ScribbleJ | I can type. |
| 22:00.39 | zackglennie | I'd have to create a root account |
| 22:00.45 | ScribbleJ | Nah, just: |
| 22:00.46 | ScribbleJ | sudo su |
| 22:00.48 | ScribbleJ | Or sudo bash |
| 22:00.50 | ScribbleJ | Or whatever. |
| 22:00.54 | zackglennie | oh, sure |
| 22:00.57 | zackglennie | sudo xterm? |
| 22:01.00 | zackglennie | :) |
| 22:01.20 | ScribbleJ | Hah,maybe. I usually stick to the former ones. |
| 22:01.21 | zackglennie | cool, sudo bash gives an encouraging response |
| 22:01.45 | ScribbleJ | Excuse me a minute; I have an overwhelming urge to go light something on fire. |
| 22:01.56 | zackglennie | later, thanks for the help |
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| 22:07.10 | streuner | hm |
| 22:07.25 | stoned | I'm getting sick of kde |
| 22:07.32 | ScribbleJ | Stop using it! |
| 22:07.33 | stoned | its full of shit now after 3 years |
| 22:07.38 | abrotman | stoned: tell raf256 about it |
| 22:07.53 | ScribbleJ | After 3 years? |
| 22:07.58 | stoned | 3 fucking years on kde and now I can finally conclude as an objective desktop user |
| 22:08.01 | ScribbleJ | What happened three years ago? |
| 22:08.02 | stoned | KDE sucks BALLS! |
| 22:08.02 | ScribbleJ | Oh. |
| 22:08.11 | ScribbleJ | What, specifically, do you object to? |
| 22:08.18 | stoned | what don't I object to |
| 22:08.20 | abrotman | stoned: see .. you'll find i'm always right :) |
| 22:08.25 | stoned | shit lacks and it don't work |
| 22:08.28 | ScribbleJ | hah |
| 22:08.32 | stoned | abrotman: gnoem sucks even more |
| 22:08.32 | ScribbleJ | That's real specific |
| 22:08.32 | zackglennie | xfce maybe? |
| 22:08.35 | stoned | don't even get me started |
| 22:08.40 | stoned | fucking gtk and fucking qt |
| 22:08.41 | zackglennie | gnome is for cluster computers. |
| 22:08.44 | ScribbleJ | Okay, then don't start. If you hate it so much: WHY USE IT? |
| 22:08.45 | stoned | I should make another gui desktop |
| 22:08.53 | abrotman | stoned: have you tried tk ? |
| 22:08.53 | stoned | stoneDE |
| 22:09.04 | abrotman | stoned: ask tarzeau about gnustep! |
| 22:09.17 | stoned | man I'm sick of computers in general |
| 22:09.22 | stoned | they've started to piss me off |
| 22:09.24 | stoned | lately |
| 22:09.26 | zackglennie | yes.. you sholud try sculpture |
| 22:09.29 | ScribbleJ | Man, you need to go smoke a bong and relax. |
| 22:09.38 | abrotman | stoned: you should get a hobby .. like playing an instrument or something :) |
| 22:09.49 | stoned | abrotman: haha go f yerself |
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| 22:10.03 | streuner | stoned: there are might help 'Cheech & Chong' ;-) |
| 22:10.10 | abrotman | eh? |
| 22:10.13 | stoned | I love c&c |
| 22:10.37 | stoned | not just cc movies but all movies and shows they've been in |
| 22:10.42 | streuner | stoned: remember when thy are in a car and they cannot see out anymore? :-) |
| 22:10.45 | stoned | they are both some really funny poeple |
| 22:10.49 | stoned | haha yeah |
| 22:10.51 | ScribbleJ | "Oh man, am I drivin' okay?" |
| 22:10.52 | stoned | smoking labrador |
| 22:10.55 | ScribbleJ | "Dude, I think we're parked." |
| 22:10.59 | stoned | I think we're parked man |
| 22:11.10 | stoned | I know all of em line for line |
| 22:11.11 | stoned | haha |
| 22:11.14 | ScribbleJ | "Well, ti's mostly maui wowie, but it's got a little labrador." |
| 22:11.19 | ScribbleJ | "Labrador? What's that?" |
| 22:11.24 | stoned | its dog shit |
| 22:11.27 | stoned | LOL |
| 22:11.28 | streuner | haha |
| 22:11.30 | ScribbleJ | "My dog, man, he ate my stash. I had to follow him around with a baggie for weeks." |
| 22:11.38 | ScribbleJ | "Mmmm... I wonder what doberman tastes like." |
| 22:11.40 | stoned | 3 days |
| 22:11.45 | ScribbleJ | hah. |
| 22:11.47 | ScribbleJ | well, whatever. |
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| 22:12.14 | stoned | my dog man, that little mother fucker ate my stash, it was sitting on the table. had to follow him around with a baggy for 3 days to get it back |
| 22:12.17 | stoned | blew the dogs mind though |
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| 22:13.10 | stoned | the thing with KDE is that I need this particular functionality I cannot find elsewhere |
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| 22:13.21 | ScribbleJ | What's that, stoned? |
| 22:13.33 | stoned | configurable desktop left/right click menus |
| 22:13.36 | stoned | and middle |
| 22:13.45 | ScribbleJ | You need three different menus on the desktop? |
| 22:13.48 | stoned | yup |
| 22:13.53 | stoned | I don't use taskbars or panels |
| 22:13.57 | ScribbleJ | I use xfce4 and I can right-click the desktop to get my configurable menu. |
| 22:14.00 | ScribbleJ | Me neither |
| 22:14.00 | streuner | abrotman: you miss him? |
| 22:14.04 | ScribbleJ | But I don' tneed THREE of them. |
| 22:14.07 | ScribbleJ | I just need ONE. |
| 22:14.17 | abrotman | streuner: ah .. the good ole days ... |
| 22:14.22 | stoned | I left click on the desktop to get windowlist menu (open apps), right click for kde application menu |
| 22:14.31 | raf256 | stoned: kde sucks balls? |
| 22:14.35 | stoned | middle click for desktop specific menu, like icons/config background |
| 22:14.36 | stoned | etc. |
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| 22:14.42 | ScribbleJ | stoned, you might get a kick out of something like beryl. I'm anti-eyecandy but it's wm features make me very productive. |
| 22:14.48 | ScribbleJ | I'm addicted to some of it's functionality. |
| 22:14.49 | stoned | what |
| 22:14.49 | raf256 | stoned: it should get togeather with QA of some applications and make a triangle |
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| 22:14.56 | stoned | fuck beryl and all that guinonsense |
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| 22:15.09 | stoned | if anything that stuff decreased my productivity |
| 22:15.10 | raf256 | !fuck beryl |
| 22:15.16 | stoned | made my eyes hurt too |
| 22:15.16 | ScribbleJ | Sheesh. |
| 22:15.30 | raf256 | can't you like uhm.. turn off the eyecandy? |
| 22:15.34 | ScribbleJ | You need to change your nick to OldGrumpyHippy. |
| 22:15.34 | stoned | i took 3 days to get it to work and no wI dislike it |
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| 22:16.00 | stoned | im like a quarter of a tenth of a millenium |
| 22:16.06 | ScribbleJ | raf256, you can... stoned just likes to complain. |
| 22:16.06 | stoned | that not old |
| 22:16.14 | stoned | venting is more like it |
| 22:16.18 | ScribbleJ | You're way too bitter to be 25 |
| 22:16.31 | ScribbleJ | I thought I was bitter in my 30s. |
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| 22:16.38 | ScribbleJ | But I got nothing on you. |
| 22:16.39 | stoned | the thing is bro |
| 22:16.48 | stoned | I hate it when things don't go my way |
| 22:16.49 | jae | I think I already was bitter in my teens :P |
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| 22:16.52 | ScribbleJ | Who doesn't! |
| 22:16.53 | stoned | I'm trying to configure something |
| 22:16.58 | stoned | and it takes hours |
| 22:17.11 | stoned | and then you find out |
| 22:17.17 | stoned | whoah there is a bug |
| 22:17.19 | stoned | you're sol |
| 22:17.21 | raf256 | haha now stoned is wining |
| 22:17.27 | abrotman | whining |
| 22:17.30 | stoned | when am I not whining |
| 22:17.43 | abrotman | it's true .. he whines in his sleep! |
| 22:17.46 | raf256 | you are not winning either |
| 22:18.02 | stoned | raf256: wtf are you on about? |
| 22:18.10 | raf256 | stoned: Im stoned |
| 22:18.22 | stoned | you're a disgrace to potheads everywhere |
| 22:18.28 | stoned | put on a helmet and lie down bro |
| 22:18.30 | streuner | abrotman: you know why people think: "good old days.."? |
| 22:18.36 | raf256 | lol |
| 22:18.37 | stoned | streuner: I do |
| 22:18.37 | ScribbleJ | "Shoot, I remember when a dime bag cost a dime... you know how much condoms cost back in my day?" |
| 22:18.41 | ScribbleJ | "no... how much?" |
| 22:18.41 | stoned | streuner: because youth is good |
| 22:18.46 | ScribbleJ | "I don't know either -- we never used 'em!" |
| 22:18.49 | stoned | thats the problem with old people streuner |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | streuner: because it was better? :) |
| 22:18.55 | stoned | they don't want to accept new shit |
| 22:19.05 | stoned | they say back int he day, that was the day, thier time |
| 22:19.05 | abrotman | streuner: you're just getting old! |
| 22:19.10 | stoned | no, it was good because they were young |
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| 22:19.22 | streuner | abrotman: you forgot bad experience(s), but old days wasn't better or worser than days nowadays |
| 22:19.30 | abrotman | streuner: yes .. it was |
| 22:19.32 | streuner | abrotman: you too :-P |
| 22:19.35 | stoned | but now youth is gone and they're fucked |
| 22:19.46 | abrotman | see .. like that ... |
| 22:20.00 | dembug | initrd sucks |
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| 22:20.09 | ScribbleJ | I agree, streuner. It's tempting to look back on the good old days and think they were so much better than now, but they weren't.... you just were too young and naieve to see things were just as shitty then as now. |
| 22:20.20 | abrotman | no .. not really |
| 22:20.22 | stoned | yes |
| 22:20.24 | stoned | really |
| 22:20.28 | raf256 | orly? |
| 22:20.31 | dembug | norly! |
| 22:20.32 | dembug | lol |
| 22:20.33 | abrotman | stoned: you don't even know what i'm talking about |
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| 22:20.42 | stoned | yes I do |
| 22:20.45 | dembug | stoned youve been smoking too much dope :D you mispelt naive |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | really .. please explain .. |
| 22:20.50 | raf256 | abrotman: I do not, so tell us - what are you rambling about |
| 22:20.58 | stoned | I never spelled that word man |
| 22:20.58 | Solak | *sigh* |
| 22:21.15 | ScribbleJ | I guess *I've* been smoking too much dope. |
| 22:21.18 | dembug | aww |
| 22:21.19 | dembug | :( |
| 22:21.23 | dembug | stoned , this is true. |
| 22:21.30 | stoned | yes it is |
| 22:21.32 | dembug | I'm just jealous that you are and i'm not |
| 22:21.39 | stoned | well life sucks right |
| 22:21.42 | stoned | then you get high |
| 22:21.45 | raf256 | no, hookers do |
| 22:21.55 | dembug | heh |
| 22:21.56 | stoned | alright I'm through. |
| 22:21.57 | dembug | so does life without them |
| 22:21.58 | dembug | ;< |
| 22:22.00 | stoned | have at it. |
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| 22:22.30 | streuner | abrotman: some people talk about good old days and they were in WW2... |
| 22:22.30 | dembug | initrd still stucks. |
| 22:22.33 | dembug | *sucks |
| 22:22.50 | stoned | I've been using windows lately a lot |
| 22:22.58 | stoned | I like it |
| 22:23.01 | dembug | heh is this like ATI vs nvidia, if it is i think we should talk about debian instead ;p |
| 22:23.01 | dkr | stoned: my condolences |
| 22:23.02 | raf256 | streuner: perhaps they owned grave yard |
| 22:23.03 | ScribbleJ | streuner, to be fair, I can see how WWII would look good compared to the current state of the US. |
| 22:23.04 | dembug | (lol) |
| 22:23.07 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:23.07 | dpkg | i heard ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 22:23.14 | streuner | abrotman: and the time after the war(s), but they just remember good old days - they just forgot. |
| 22:23.26 | ScribbleJ | Sorry. |
| 22:23.35 | dkr | ScribbleJ: or ##politics, :) |
| 22:23.38 | stoned | I think I'd have to say that |
| 22:23.39 | dembug | hehe |
| 22:23.45 | stoned | windows compare to kde, I'd say kde still sucks |
| 22:23.45 | streuner | ScribbleJ: sure, those people had really HARD times |
| 22:23.50 | dembug | my problem with initrd is much more important |
| 22:23.52 | stoned | kde is too much man, way too much |
| 22:23.54 | stoned | I think anyway |
| 22:24.03 | raf256 | stoned: GNOME is for idiots, try it |
| 22:24.07 | dembug | heh ;> |
| 22:24.13 | raf256 | at least thats Torvalds opinion |
| 22:24.16 | stoned | raf256: thats clever |
| 22:24.18 | raf256 | much less options |
| 22:24.22 | dembug | meh |
| 22:24.23 | stoned | how long have you been waiting to crack out that gem |
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| 22:24.29 | dembug | Gnome is great.. |
| 22:24.29 | stoned | damn that is sooo original |
| 22:24.32 | abrotman | streuner: you think *this* is better than mwilson ? |
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| 22:25.36 | raf256 | stoned: you can turn off most extra stuff in kde, so what is the problem? |
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| 22:25.41 | raf256 | for simplicity go xface etc |
| 22:25.42 | streuner | well, he is(was) always loyal and a good guy who want to help in a not cmmon way, many people just don't unterstand him. |
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| 22:26.01 | abrotman | streuner: but you get what i mean .. and i don't mean just mwilson |
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| 22:26.32 | dembug | anybody want some toast? </reddwarf> |
| 22:26.45 | dembug | heh,hehehe |
| 22:28.14 | dembug | apt-get -f install conversationkiller |
| 22:29.52 | stoned | I'm bored |
| 22:30.00 | dembug | mm :< |
| 22:30.01 | dembug | me too |
| 22:30.04 | abrotman | so get off your computer and go do something else |
| 22:30.10 | stoned | I did something else all day |
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| 22:30.22 | dembug | initrd sucks |
| 22:30.23 | dembug | :< |
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| 22:30.50 | Quintin | In GNOME my window list is very narrow, it is not wide enough to show the full window text. How do I fix this? |
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| 22:31.09 | abrotman | Quintin: in your taskbar ? |
| 22:31.15 | Quintin | abrotman: yes |
| 22:31.28 | Quintin | abrotman: the window list is not narrow, the buttosn for windows are |
| 22:31.29 | abrotman | Quintin: whihc window list? |
| 22:31.32 | dembug | for some rediculous reason ctrl+c'ing out of scp stops machines from echoing to console terminal |
| 22:31.36 | dembug | ;< |
| 22:31.38 | stoned | increase the taskbar control size, maximum one |
| 22:31.49 | abrotman | Quintin: right click on it .. i beleve there's an option to allow it to stretch |
| 22:31.49 | stoned | it should start to make your buttons wider |
| 22:31.53 | Quintin | abrotman: the one with my programs. Example, I see "Buddy L.." Instead of "Buddy List" |
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| 22:32.12 | stoned | just stp when you think its big enough |
| 22:32.21 | Quintin | abrotman: what's really fucked up, if there are 4 windows it stretches, if there are 2 it is super narrow. |
| 22:32.39 | Quintin | abrotman: ah, I was looking for something. There's like a "-" bit on the left I can right click.. couldn't find anything before. let me look |
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| 22:33.01 | abrotman | Quintin: you mean the window list that has a handle on the left side .. right ? |
| 22:33.21 | Quintin | abrotman: jaja. "minimum size" is now 275 instead of 50 |
| 22:33.37 | abrotman | isn't there an option to not have a minimum at all ? |
| 22:33.45 | Quintin | abrotman: I don't see one |
| 22:33.48 | abrotman | hrm .. |
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| 22:34.17 | Quintin | I think I'll go with "1000" minimum maybe |
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| 22:37.59 | rfrank | p |
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| 22:39.49 | vlt|home | Hello. What is the right way to restart a ppp connection started from /etc/network/interfaces as "auto dsl-provider"? |
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| 22:41.18 | streuner | vlt: check this out: http://www.adsl4linux.de/ |
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| 22:41.43 | streuner | vlt|home: ^^^ |
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| 22:42.07 | vlt|home | streuner: Thank you. |
| 22:42.28 | streuner | vlt|home: best thing is to just connect via a router to i-net |
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| 22:42.53 | Quintin | vlt|home: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:43.02 | dembug | heh |
| 22:43.16 | dembug | yeah unles its critical |
| 22:43.21 | dembug | networking restart is a great idea ;D |
| 22:43.32 | dembug | (or in a remote location) |
| 22:43.33 | dembug | :D |
| 22:43.47 | Quintin | dembug: that works fine remotely. |
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| 22:44.06 | dembug | im well aware of that , but i dont think its as reliable as say.... ssh restart |
| 22:44.10 | dembug | *sshd restart, my bad |
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| 22:45.00 | jelly-home | that's where serial consoles come in |
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| 22:45.39 | vlt|home | Quintin: That's the way I do it now, but that also restarts eth+ ... |
| 22:45.52 | Quintin | vlt|home: is this a problem? |
| 22:46.48 | vlt|home | streuner: Errm, but that router has to connect "to the internet" via pppoe, too ... |
| 22:47.17 | vlt|home | Quintin: Yes, could be: in case of running libpcap apps, f. ex. |
| 22:47.23 | stew | vlt|home: ifdown dsl-provider ; ifup dsl-provider |
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| 22:48.08 | vlt|home | stew: Thanks, I'll try ... |
| 22:48.34 | streuner | vlt|home: "pon <dsl-provider>" should be enough to connect |
| 22:48.35 | Quintin | Any good easy to use data recovery programs to try and save data off a dirty ext2 fs? |
| 22:49.03 | streuner | vlt|home: those routers come nowadays with a modem which connect for you to i-net |
| 22:49.36 | vlt|home | streuner: "those routers" run linux these days ;-) |
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| 22:49.54 | streuner | vlt|home: some of them, how do you connect to i-net at all? |
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| 22:50.57 | vlt|home | streuner: router running dd-wrt or OpenWRT -> A/S-DSL |
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| 22:51.25 | streuner | what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 22:51.45 | vlt|home | streuner: And one running "voyage", a Debian based 30M distro booting from flash disk. |
| 22:52.08 | ScribbleJ | Ee heart openwrt. |
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| 22:52.56 | vlt|home | streuner: Some Siemens SE505 v1, some v2, Linksys WRT54G, ...GL, and an old 200MHz Thin client with cf disk ... |
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| 22:54.42 | streuner | vlt|home: nice :-) |
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| 22:55.48 | Ryushin | Does linux care if a usb floppy is mounted as a scsi device such as sda? The m tools don't seem to like talking to /dev/sda |
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| 22:57.16 | hatter | streuner: yeah but the they need to be switched to bridging mode |
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| 22:58.12 | hatter | hmmm, adsl4linux.de ... german |
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| 22:59.46 | antum | Hi, I've almost got my mail server setup, I'm so happy... except I get this error when trying to login to pop: user@virtual.test: chdir(home/vmail) failed!! |
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| 23:00.09 | antum | Can anyone help me? |
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| 23:00.40 | pinx | I'm learning iptables - where can I cat the existing rules in my filesystem (sarge) |
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| 23:01.11 | valdyn | pinx: iptables --list |
| 23:01.16 | hatter | damn, i wimped out of learning iptables and use shorewall instead ... |
| 23:01.25 | pinx | valdyn: thanks |
| 23:01.40 | cartesian1984 | Alo. What packages do I need for a working alsa installation in Etch? |
| 23:01.51 | I-kido | Are the Linux-restricted* packages necessary when I want to use Nvidia 1.0.9xxx ? |
| 23:01.58 | stew | cartesian1984: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 23:02.02 | rfrank | !praise rfrank |
| 23:02.04 | cartesian1984 | stew: thank you. |
| 23:02.10 | rfrank | I feel much better now |
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| 23:02.16 | cartesian1984 | !praise stew |
| 23:02.48 | vlt|home | Maybe because the device where the modem is connected to went down, too, before. |
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| 23:03.11 | eshaase | when i apt-get install mediawiki, how does apach know where to find http://localhost/mediawiki/config? /var/www/apache2-default doesn't contain mediawiki |
| 23:03.33 | stew | eshaase: check /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/README.Debian |
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| 23:04.04 | pinx | in iptables how do I ensure that my ISP's DNS server is allowed, but no others? |
| 23:04.25 | rfrank | Hey guys, this work for you? https://music.home.russfrank.net |
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| 23:06.39 | eshaase | stew: i read it and i understand the install procedure, but i'm curious as to how apache can find it |
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| 23:07.18 | stew | eshaase: likely apache can't find it until you setup an alias or something |
| 23:07.47 | eshaase | stew: well something was done to apache when the mediawiki package was installed and i'm curious what that was |
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| 23:09.07 | eshaase | stew: ok, it seems like its setup in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 23:09.31 | zamaliphe | how to Chang the editor that run when i commet some thing to cvs ? |
| 23:10.14 | eshaase | stew: another question, media wiki package seems to setup the wiki in http://asdf.com/mediawiki ... how do i make it so that its just http://asdf.com/ ? |
| 23:11.21 | stew | eshaase: change the DocumentRoot for asdf.com |
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| 23:16.33 | eshaase | stew: ok, i'll try that, thanks man! |
| 23:17.08 | x_link | I downloaded Debian Etch with the new installer the other day |
| 23:17.16 | x_link | Is that not the same version as the old installer? |
| 23:17.17 | cartesian1984 | What sort of bot is dpkg? |
| 23:17.43 | cartesian1984 | In terms of supybot/blotbot/etc? |
| 23:17.46 | streuner | !info blootbot |
| 23:17.49 | dpkg | blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 242 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
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| 23:18.12 | cartesian1984 | streuner: thanks. |
| 23:18.21 | zamaliphe | how can i set the "env EDITOR" to kwrite ? |
| 23:18.36 | x_link | Is the "new" etch out yet? |
| 23:18.47 | streuner | x_link: /topic |
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| 23:21.15 | olsen | hi |
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| 23:21.28 | olsen | is there a way to see a list of the installed packages in debian? |
| 23:21.46 | streuner | olsen: dpkg -l |
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| 23:22.19 | olsen | streuner: thanks |
| 23:22.49 | streuner | omg, what a good thing that i just disconnect serveral times a day :-) |
| 23:23.49 | bigfish | huh |
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| 23:24.00 | streuner | (thanks and stuff increases the karma in kingsley's values, disconnections make them worse...) |
| 23:24.07 | bigfish | don't you watch tv? |
| 23:24.14 | streuner | no |
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| 23:24.17 | bigfish | O.o |
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| 23:24.52 | streuner | Who needs propaganda nowadays, its enough to see the news in TV... |
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| 23:25.15 | predder | what are you a terrorist ?!? |
| 23:25.34 | creature | Is there a fairly lightweight-but-pretty X login manager I can install via apt-get? How about a pretty startup screen that won't make me recompile my kernel? |
| 23:25.52 | streuner | predder: in order to be critical? |
| 23:26.02 | olsen | i've upgraded from testing to unstable, i want to remove the 2.6.17 kernel and modules |
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| 23:26.09 | fausto | how i can install debian without cd |
| 23:26.18 | fausto | i have a problem with isolinux |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 23:26.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 23:26.19 | olsen | if i remove the 2.6.17 kernel, will that also remove the /lib/modules/2.6.17 modules? |
| 23:26.24 | fausto | won't boot |
| 23:26.26 | streuner | predder: well, if you think you need to watch propanganda in order to NOT be a terrorist you fail |
| 23:26.48 | predder | olsen, probably not automatically, you could safely do it when your new kernel is installed and running though |
| 23:26.58 | olsen | predder: yeh |
| 23:27.08 | olsen | predder: im using the 2.6.18 kernel now |
| 23:27.32 | predder | did you install the 2.6.17 from a package? |
| 23:27.48 | predder | apt-get remove --purge would probably clear the folder for you |
| 23:28.17 | olsen | predder: 2.6.17 come by default with testing |
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| 23:29.21 | predder | dpkg -l | grep kernel <-- olsen try that to get the package name |
| 23:29.21 | dpkg | ii | grep kernel <-- olsen try that to get the package name 2.6-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 23:29.38 | predder | errr, wtf =\ |
| 23:30.23 | olsen | yeah |
| 23:30.28 | olsen | what im not sure is |
| 23:30.32 | predder | streuner: 'twas a joke, I don't really watch the news anymore. You can't watch it without hearing the word which was the premise of the joke :) |
| 23:30.34 | olsen | if removing those kernel packages |
| 23:30.38 | olsen | will also remove hte modules in /lib/modules |
| 23:30.50 | predder | it should with a --purge |
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| 23:30.55 | olsen | ok |
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| 23:32.06 | streuner | predder: one last word, it scares me how much incluence propaganda has, when i talk to people. |
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| 23:33.22 | olsen | predder: yeah it did, thanks :D |
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| 23:33.47 | olsen | is there a way to upgrade grub now, i mean, can i just run grub and run setup there? |
| 23:33.53 | olsen | ir is there a debian way? |
| 23:34.00 | olsen | so i can remove the old kernel entries |
| 23:34.17 | olsen | s/ir/or |
| 23:34.44 | olsen | grub-install? |
| 23:34.50 | dkr | check out update-grub |
| 23:34.59 | olsen | ok |
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| 23:35.23 | dkr | it makes the enties in menu.lst based on what images exist |
| 23:35.39 | dkr | and what options you add to special comments in menu.lst |
| 23:36.06 | stoned | well I'm on xfce now |
| 23:36.15 | olsen | dkr: nice |
| 23:36.16 | stoned | I think I'm done with kde for now |
| 23:36.18 | streuner | !congratulate stoned |
| 23:36.19 | dpkg | Woohoo stoned, you did it! |
| 23:36.19 | predder | streuner, where are you from? |
| 23:36.19 | dkr | stoned: is that a new drug? |
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| 23:36.28 | streuner | predder: germany |
| 23:36.33 | olsen | dkr: theres no need to install grub again when you change the menu.lst right |
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| 23:36.48 | adrakoa | yes olsen |
| 23:36.50 | stoned | man this core 2 duo is FAST! |
| 23:36.57 | dkr | olsen: no, it reads directly from menu.lst that's the advantage it has over lilo |
| 23:37.04 | olsen | :) |
| 23:37.05 | olsen | nice |
| 23:37.14 | olsen | that was so easy |
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| 23:37.30 | Eclipser | but there's games for lilo! |
| 23:37.30 | olsen | thanks |
| 23:37.46 | adrakoa | dkr: but the olsen's phrase you no need == t? |
| 23:39.03 | dkr | I finally figured out alternate default boot back and forth between xp and debian with grub savedefault option, th way I used to use lilo -R so I am completely happy with grub now. |
| 23:39.09 | dkr | adrakoa: I don't follow you |
| 23:39.27 | adrakoa | nothing.. |
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| 23:41.40 | earthian | why would hwinfo etc report that I have 2 gigs of memory (I have them) but would not report anything else... like not any info at all! |
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| 23:42.04 | streuner | there is another package |
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| 23:45.38 | predder | earthian, did you try the package lshw? |
| 23:45.59 | creature | Is there a fairly lightweight-but-pretty X login manager I can install via apt-get? How about a pretty startup screen that won't make me recompile my kernel? |
| 23:46.09 | tarzeau | abrotman, stoned: yes? |
| 23:46.09 | LeFallen | creature: slim |
| 23:46.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: not me! |
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| 23:48.32 | creature | LeFallen: Care to be more specific? I haven't got a "slim" package in my sources list, an apt-cache search slim doesn't turn up anything obvious, and a google on "slim linux" doesn't seem to return anything relevant... |
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| 23:49.52 | abrotman | !dm |
| 23:49.53 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 23:49.55 | abrotman | creature: ^^ |
| 23:50.08 | adrakoa | creature: if you have installed a kernel image from debian repository, you only should the patcha |
| 23:50.29 | adrakoa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.30 | adrakoa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.30 | adrakoa | <karmatronic> sjr: libapache-mod-php5 |
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| 23:51.38 | creature | abrotman: Can you recommend a display manager? I run Fluxbox as my WM so I don't need something that aims to mesh with my DE... |
| 23:51.47 | abrotman | xdm ? |
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| 23:52.16 | hatta | startx? |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | that's not a display manager |
| 23:52.43 | creature | I want something pretty. |
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| 23:52.46 | hatta | it seems to manage my display |
| 23:52.56 | creature | I'm bored of people looking in horror when I fire up my laptop in public. |
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| 23:53.18 | zoXea | how i can unmount mu hard drive hdb ? |
| 23:53.24 | abrotman | umount |
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| 23:54.03 | zoXea | umount: /media/hdb: device is busy |
| 23:54.12 | adrakoa` | creature: do you read me? |
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| 23:54.23 | zoXea | they sey that my hdb is busy but its not busy |
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| 23:54.41 | creature | adrakoa`: You got kicked for flooding, so no I don't. |
| 23:54.51 | creature | LeFallen: I've found Slim. It looks quite pretty. |
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| 23:55.33 | Ronin | creature: whats wrong with fluxbox? |
| 23:55.47 | CoolCubix | hello, I would need help with bash, please : I want to fill a shell variable with the <newline> character |
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| 23:56.33 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: #bash |
| 23:56.39 | BrickTop | do you think debian updates will mess up my php if I install a backport of php4.4? |
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| 23:56.51 | creature | Ronin: There's nothing wrong with fluxbox. I love it to pieces. |
| 23:56.52 | CoolCubix | tarzeau> thanks, didn't know there was one |
| 23:56.53 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: n='\n' ? |
| 23:57.01 | CoolCubix | tarzeau> already tried |
| 23:57.03 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: you'd need echo -e to print it |
| 23:57.05 | CoolCubix | export IFS=\n , ="\n", event with =$(echo ; echo)... i cant set it t |
| 23:57.06 | zoXea | ?? |
| 23:57.12 | abrotman | zoXea: then it's busy |
| 23:57.13 | creature | Ronin: My point was basically "I'm not interested in gdm or kdm, because I like my window manager and don't want to replace it." |
| 23:57.17 | abrotman | xdm! |
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| 23:57.30 | CoolCubix | tarzeau> hmm i try |
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| 23:57.41 | zoXea | abrotman how i can put it ins sleepy mode? |
| 23:57.44 | creature | abrotman: I'm not sure I've ever seen xdm look pretty. http://slim.berlios.de/ looks pretty, though. |
| 23:57.45 | grummund | zoXea: you only need to be cd'd in a directory there and it's considered busy |
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| 23:58.08 | creature | Does xdm do pretty? |
| 23:58.27 | Plazma | xdm isnt that pretty like gdm/kdm |
| 23:58.35 | jelly-home | wdm! |
| 23:58.39 | abrotman | zoXea: get out of the folder |
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| 23:58.55 | CoolCubix | tarzeau> it keeps being set to "". I'm pretty sure there's no way to set a shell variable to \n, but then my interpreter must understand another way that i mean newline |
| 23:59.07 | abrotman | creature: is it packaged ? |
| 23:59.15 | creature | My primary concern is for pretty, closely followed by lightweight. I'll take pretty over lightweight if I have to. |
| 23:59.20 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: let me try it |
| 23:59.27 | kraypius | anybody else wanna help beta test shellbot tonight before and durring we make improvements come to #shellbot . it is control of shell via irc |
| 23:59.41 | garo | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/gravitational_mass.jpg |
| 23:59.50 | hatta | creature, have you tried using kdm with flux? |
| 23:59.50 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: works fine here: n='moo\ncow\npower'; echo -e $n |
