| 00:00.09 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 00:00.09 | hatter | jeffwheeler: are you allowed to plug the debian machine into the windows machine ? |
| 00:00.15 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: I totally understand -- your machine is an unknown variable |
| 00:00.26 | robin_sz | dang, midnight .. too late |
| 00:00.38 | jeffwheeler | hatter: well, if it was inconspicuous :P |
| 00:00.41 | jelly-home | robin_sz: midnight and two days late. |
| 00:00.43 | hatter | put another nic in the windows machine and bridge it ;) |
| 00:00.58 | robin_sz | ahh, |
| 00:00.59 | jelly-home | robin_sz: if you're on GMT |
| 00:01.00 | robin_sz | oh well |
| 00:01.06 | hatter | you are not then *actually* pluggin straight into the net.... |
| 00:01.10 | hatter | sort of |
| 00:01.12 | hatter | some how |
| 00:01.15 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: do a lsmod|grep usb and see if usb_storage is loaded |
| 00:01.18 | hatter | inconspicous |
| 00:01.21 | hatter | is the key |
| 00:01.22 | jeffwheeler | hatter: good idea, but I don't think I'm alowed to do that |
| 00:01.24 | jelly-home | V' day was the fourteenth |
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| 00:01.43 | hatter | you could be just getting some files from the windows machine... |
| 00:02.02 | jeffwheeler | hatter: haha, good idea, but I'd have to change the hardware |
| 00:02.08 | psychonate | GeorgeS069, yes |
| 00:02.09 | jelly-home | hatter: while at the same time, the windows machine would be downloading about the same amount from the net... riight |
| 00:02.53 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: this apt-zip thing seems pretty good; I don't think it'll be able to run the scripts on Windows, though, as I suspected |
| 00:02.59 | hatter | well you could argue that the windows machine is providing 'safety' with its 'firewall' (cough... cough... chug... ) |
| 00:03.00 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: I dunno why it's not loading then |
| 00:03.08 | resuDaed | hi, I use (or like to use) aumix to control my sound levels, but for some reason it cannot open my mixer (while other aps can), the only mixer entry I can find in /dev is under .static, tried symlinking to /dev, but still no lck. any ideas? |
| 00:03.08 | hatter | lol |
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| 00:03.47 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: a livecd could work (which effectively is the same thing as putting the other linux machine online...) |
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| 00:04.02 | cherry_laptop | omg, nobody has the same problem with the debian-installer and grub? |
| 00:04.31 | jelly-home | cherry_laptop: try #debian-boot at irc.debian.org |
| 00:04.40 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: here is what I see when I insert my usb thumb drive http://www.pastebin.ca/357948 |
| 00:04.41 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: yeah, that's what I suggested earlier; but, I have approval to do that (ha, who knows...) |
| 00:05.08 | cherry_laptop | jelly-home: ty |
| 00:05.19 | jelly-home | cherry_laptop: yw |
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| 00:08.07 | eldowan | What is the correct method of removing noatun? I tried aptitude remove, and it wants to remove kde as well. (I don't want kde removed, thank you very much :D ) |
| 00:09.20 | psychonate | well, apparently it works |
| 00:09.24 | psychonate | gphoto downloaded the images |
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| 00:09.30 | psychonate | I still don't know what the fucking device is |
| 00:09.32 | psychonate | but that's cool |
| 00:09.44 | fsmunoz | eldowan, ummmm |
| 00:09.51 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: maybe gphoto will tell you somewhere |
| 00:10.03 | fsmunoz | eldowan, I don't use KDE... but I suspect the problem might be something like: |
| 00:10.12 | jelly-home | eldowan: kde is just a virtual packages to get all of kde in a simple way. If you remove any part of kde, that package will have to be removed too. |
| 00:10.25 | jelly-home | s/packages/package/ |
| 00:10.49 | fsmunoz | eldowan, "kde" metapackage depends on "kdemultimedia" metapackage that depends on noatun. Due to this, removing noatum will make apt try to remove multimedia, and then kde... |
| 00:11.11 | rpc | is it possible to control traffic for a bridged virtual device directly on br0? or do i need to enable a firewall on each bridged host? |
| 00:11.17 | fsmunoz | eldowan, I could be wrong though, just an idea. Not usre how to cleanly solve it either, apart from --force-all which is not clean at all... |
| 00:11.26 | eldowan | fsmunoz: yeah, that what it looks like. |
| 00:12.08 | Isaac_Newbton | http://www.know-library.net/images/8/86/Konsole_kl.jpg <- which font is that in the konsole and how do I get it on debian etch? (i know its some common font at least) |
| 00:12.15 | jelly-home | eldowan: don't worry about it if only kde and kdemultimedia get removed. |
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| 00:12.40 | jelly-home | eldowan: or just keep noatun installed :-| |
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| 00:13.03 | eldowan | jelly-home: kde kdeaddons kdemultimedia are being removed. these metapackages shouldn't cause any problems by being removed, is this correct? |
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| 00:13.50 | jelly-home | eldowan: not in the short run. ;-) |
| 00:14.03 | eldowan | jelly-home: what about the long run? |
| 00:14.29 | jelly-home | eldowan: but if a next version of eg. kde introduces a completely new dependency, you won't get it by just upgrading |
| 00:15.15 | eldowan | jelly-home: hmm, if I remove noatun, and the associated metapackages, would I be able to reinstall the metapackages without noatun, or maybe just blacklist the noatun package? |
| 00:15.30 | rpc | does iptables work on bridge devices? |
| 00:15.30 | jelly-home | eldowan: you could work around it with equivs, but it's kinda ugly too |
| 00:15.57 | eldowan | jelly-home: OK, thanks. I'll suffer with noatun installed. |
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| 00:16.48 | jelly-home | eldowan: afaik there's no way to have "everything but this one tiny dependency" installed automatically |
| 00:17.06 | ComputerCheck | DCC SEND SIXCHARACTERS |
| 00:17.15 | jelly-home | that was quick |
| 00:17.18 | rpc | ya |
| 00:17.25 | eldowan | good |
| 00:17.28 | GeorgeS069 | and lame |
| 00:17.28 | rpc | nice filter :) |
| 00:17.35 | rpc | that too |
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| 00:17.51 | eldowan | jelly-home: aah, that sucks. Hopefully there will be an easy way to exclude specific packages in the future. |
| 00:17.52 | jelly-home | should have stopped it server-side, without it getting to the channel |
| 00:18.13 | fsmunoz | eldowan, jelly-home , perhaps the closest to clean would be to actually change the dependencies of the metapackage, making a new deb (a local version) and freezing it. |
| 00:18.22 | fsmunoz | TO much trouble for a bloody player though |
| 00:18.38 | rpc | so... can anyone please let me know if iptables can work on bridge devices? |
| 00:18.38 | enouf | eldowan: have you tried kcontrol > kde components > servcie mangler ? I don;t have an issue with noatun .. only artsd crapola, but I killed that too;-) |
| 00:18.58 | jelly-home | fsmunoz: that has the same problem like if the metapackage gets a new dependency... you never get the new bits |
| 00:19.15 | eldowan | fsmunoz: I agree about the too much trouble. I might just make noatun a symlink to mplayer or something. |
| 00:19.35 | eldowan | enouf: I don; see anything in the service manager that looks related to noatun. |
| 00:19.40 | enouf | eldowan: if you are using sarge though 3.3.2 was r-e-a-l-l-y buggy |
| 00:19.44 | fsmunoz | jelly-home, I didn't said it was perfect... just cleaner :) |
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| 00:20.02 | fsmunoz | eldowan, uh, why don't you simply change the file association? |
| 00:20.03 | eldowan | enouf: etch, installed last week |
| 00:20.07 | enouf | eldowan: does pstree -lunp | grep noatun show it running? |
| 00:20.08 | jelly-home | I'd use equivs (actually, a self made fake package script) |
| 00:20.12 | fsmunoz | eldowan, and make vlc/mplayer the default player? |
| 00:20.14 | enouf | ouch! |
| 00:20.21 | eldowan | fsmunoz: Oh I did that already, I just want noatun gone. |
| 00:20.28 | fsmunoz | Ahh ok |
| 00:20.37 | enouf | mines older :-) .. 3.5.3 or someshit .. donmn't even use though .. only for this tshooting ;-) |
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| 00:20.43 | Suprano | re |
| 00:20.45 | Suprano | i am going to create an encrypted filesystem and are searching for the performent and easiest method. atm i am using kernel 2.6.18-3-amd64 , but i am willing to update, if that is needed. btw, i don't want a keyfile or s.th. i want to enter a password to access my data. do you have some suggest for me ? |
| 00:20.50 | eldowan | enouf: noatun isn't running. |
| 00:21.02 | fsmunoz | Suprano, encfs |
| 00:21.36 | Suprano | funny. the same time you said that, i opened that wiki page |
| 00:21.40 | eldowan | enouf: I do like pstree though, thanks for that little tip. :D |
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| 00:22.44 | wjohn | hi |
| 00:22.58 | enouf | eldowan: well why remove it? it's in the way? .. there's a stupid releasre time thing in Sounds and Multishit >> Auto-Suspend .. |
| 00:24.04 | eldowan | enouf: actually, I just found a use for it. I can leave amarok playing my music, and use noatun to play individial files without messing with amaroks playlist. |
| 00:24.20 | enouf | heh ;-) .. |
| 00:24.45 | eldowan | food == good |
| 00:24.53 | eldowan | !food enouf |
| 00:24.57 | wjohn | i want to install debian on a non-debian system.. to use debootstrap i need wget and 'ar' .. on debian.org it writes to install 'ar' but where do i get ar from? looking for it but cant find it? |
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| 00:26.45 | jelly-home | wjohn: binutils |
| 00:27.18 | wjohn | kk thx |
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| 00:28.01 | excelblue | will I break the integrity of my debian install if I install a few things without apt? |
| 00:28.11 | sobersabre | hi, I have this raidtab file contents: http://pastebin.ca/357962 |
| 00:28.35 | sobersabre | it is formatted with reiserfs |
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| 00:29.13 | sobersabre | reiserfs utils version is 3.6.4-5 |
| 00:29.23 | wjohn | excelblue, if you install *.deb with dpkg, you dont |
| 00:29.26 | sobersabre | the system is RedHat 9 |
| 00:29.30 | eldowan | excelblue: I guess that would depend on what you are installing. |
| 00:29.34 | sobersabre | I want to upgrade to sarge |
| 00:29.52 | sobersabre | how much risk do I have to loose this raid |
| 00:29.55 | sobersabre | data |
| 00:29.56 | sobersabre | ? |
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| 00:30.58 | Supaplex | will someone running postgrey (if it's working ok) pastebin the output of ls -la /var/lib/postgrey ? re bts 411087 |
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| 00:31.45 | sobersabre | who is postgrey ? :) |
| 00:31.49 | Garda | does freenode have ssl? |
| 00:31.55 | wjohn | sobersabre, do you want to install into this raid? |
| 00:31.55 | Supaplex | !postgrey |
| 00:32.03 | wjohn | Garda, sure |
| 00:32.14 | Garda | port 6668? |
| 00:32.15 | eldowan | Garda: freenode doesn't use ssl for irc |
| 00:32.16 | Supaplex | dpkg: postgrey is a grelisting daemon. |
| 00:32.17 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 00:32.19 | rpc | wjohn hm do you know how to list all ssl servers on fnode? |
| 00:32.22 | sobersabre | wjohn, no. this is is a data raid. I want not to loose it. |
| 00:32.22 | excelblue | heh, I'm installing it manually |
| 00:32.28 | eldowan | Garda: oftc does though |
| 00:32.28 | excelblue | eg. from a tarball extracted directly to / |
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| 00:32.38 | vchrizz | lol |
| 00:32.45 | rpc | eldowan oh so no ssl here |
| 00:32.52 | rpc | vchrizz you can't hide :) |
| 00:32.59 | xeQter | Hello |
| 00:33.00 | Ragnaroek | hi |
| 00:33.00 | vchrizz | oh, no ssl here? i thought freenode supports ssl? |
| 00:33.04 | eldowan | rpc: not as of a few weeks ago. I haven't checked lately. |
| 00:33.07 | vchrizz | heh rpc |
| 00:33.10 | vchrizz | :P |
| 00:33.18 | rpc | vchrizz we know that you were wjohn and that you lied about ssl on fnode ;) |
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| 00:33.33 | vchrizz | im soooo sorry :P |
| 00:33.37 | rpc | eldowan thank you |
| 00:33.38 | [tasty]freeze | will debian's netinstall disk boot ssh on default? |
| 00:33.40 | vchrizz | didnt want to lie :D |
| 00:33.44 | rpc | vchrizz all your base... |
| 00:33.48 | vchrizz | heh |
| 00:33.49 | eldowan | rpc: vchrizz, Garda: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sslaccess |
| 00:33.59 | foolio | how the hell do i rm a file called "--help" without the quotes? rm keeps thinking i want its help menu |
| 00:34.01 | Ragnaroek | I'll soon find out |
| 00:34.08 | lynucs | anyone uses SiS m760 graphics? |
| 00:34.09 | rpc | vchrizz according to rules anyone caught on misleading people has to paypal $10 to fnode foundation :) |
| 00:34.12 | Supaplex | foolio: use --, or specify the full path. |
| 00:34.22 | vchrizz | eldowan, :(( big pitty |
| 00:34.25 | rpc | thank you very much eldowan |
| 00:34.28 | eldowan | vchrizz: indeed |
| 00:34.32 | eldowan | rpc: no problems |
| 00:34.40 | Ki11Bi11 | [tasty]freeze, probabbly not, i alsaws have ti install it manually |
| 00:34.41 | vchrizz | rpc, will do, promise |
| 00:34.44 | rpc | anyway ssl does stress servers much more.. that could be a reason |
| 00:34.54 | foolio | Supaplex, full path...of course :) thanks |
| 00:34.59 | rpc | vchrizz he he |
| 00:35.24 | rpc | vchrizz promises are nothing but hot air ;) |
| 00:35.26 | vchrizz | oh well, if ssl stress servers... i dont think fnode uses 486 cpu :P |
| 00:35.37 | vchrizz | rpc indeed :D |
| 00:35.40 | [tasty]freeze | ah. |
| 00:35.50 | sobersabre | vchrizz, ssl still stresses the server much more than no ssl |
| 00:35.59 | rpc | vchrizz but they are also better than apologies ;) |
| 00:36.08 | vchrizz | lol |
| 00:36.13 | rpc | sobersabre true. true. |
| 00:36.19 | eldowan | Supaplex: would something like rm ./--help work as well? |
| 00:36.25 | sobersabre | how much, btw ? |
| 00:36.33 | sobersabre | rpc, do you have any idea ? |
| 00:36.40 | Supaplex | eldowan: sure. |
| 00:36.51 | eldowan | Supaplex: Thanks. |
| 00:36.59 | rpc | sobersabre it definetly depends on a few factors |
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| 00:37.16 | sobersabre | I mean... each message should be encrypted, and extra negotation is done before the communication starts. |
| 00:37.20 | rpc | sobersabre so not this easy to count that and estimate |
| 00:37.24 | rpc | yes |
| 00:37.30 | vchrizz | well, going to install debian on a nondebian sys ;) |
| 00:37.44 | sobersabre | vchrizz I was asking abou tthis. |
| 00:37.54 | rpc | vchrizz why not just install a vbox machine with debian there? |
| 00:37.59 | vchrizz | sorry, sobersabre, ask again pls |
| 00:38.09 | vchrizz | rpc, vbox? |
| 00:38.15 | rpc | virtual machine |
| 00:38.22 | vchrizz | lol? why that? |
| 00:38.25 | rpc | i use it with pleasure - works sweet |
| 00:38.31 | vchrizz | better run true system |
| 00:38.52 | rpc | there is no difference while you can use your resources much better this way and still have your fav distro handy ;) |
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| 00:39.30 | vchrizz | hum, well i dont like to use other distro, so i install debian ;) |
| 00:39.30 | creature_ | OK, so I've got a bunch of packages sitting around on my hard disk. I want to index them so they act as a repository. How do I do this? |
| 00:39.30 | rpc | just saying that, i don't belive that installing debian over other distro makes sense, i would rather wipe it and start from scratch or go for vm |
| 00:39.43 | eldowan | rpc: virtual machines == fun :D |
| 00:39.50 | rpc | eldowan yesyes |
| 00:39.55 | rpc | eldowan got 5 so far lol |
| 00:40.07 | rpc | eldowan and big ass br0 for them too :) |
| 00:40.14 | Ki11Bi11 | xen is in etch now is any one running it? |
| 00:40.15 | eldowan | rpc: I had about that many, now I'm down to 2. |
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| 00:40.37 | Supaplex | !-- |
| 00:40.37 | dpkg | i guess -- is commonly the end of arguments delimiter for GNU or GNU like utilities. It disambiguates between a literal "-- and arguments. Eg, rm -- --help will remove "--help" from the current directory. |
| 00:40.41 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 you can also apt-get vbox in etch - i recommend it, very easy to use and well documented, also does multithreading like no other |
| 00:40.48 | Supaplex | foolio, eldowan see dpkg's last note. |
| 00:40.55 | rpc | eldowan i might cut on the soon but first i will make it to 10 :) |
| 00:41.01 | vchrizz | oh, sobersabre, if its a data raid, you shouldnt loose it if you dont modify the right partitions while installing a new sys |
| 00:41.01 | rpc | them* |
| 00:41.17 | vchrizz | at least i didnt loose them |
| 00:41.20 | Ki11Bi11 | rpc, what kind of performance do you get from it? |
| 00:41.49 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 maximum - performing really great, also networking is just fine, vbox doesn't use any resources on itself |
| 00:42.04 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 so most of the time cpu usage in guest = cpu usage on host |
| 00:42.09 | eldowan | Supaplex: yeah, I remembered -- as the flag to start looking for filenames. |
| 00:42.50 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 you just need to add ~10% mem for each guest, so if your guest got 256MB you will loose ~280MB on host |
| 00:42.58 | Supaplex | eldowan: teaching dpkg that was a small pain. had to escape the first -. works ok now :) |
| 00:43.11 | Supaplex | eg, dpkg: \-- is ... |
| 00:43.14 | eldowan | Supaplex: heh :D |
| 00:43.33 | eldowan | escapes are lovely things indeed |
| 00:43.39 | Ki11Bi11 | rpc, i'm thinking about setting up some virtual servers, more than two anyway-- they ywill be heavy on php myaql scripting. |
| 00:44.00 | Ki11Bi11 | mysql i mean |
| 00:44.04 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 you will be fine with that and your resources are managed way better with virtual boxes |
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| 00:44.32 | Ki11Bi11 | rpc ok, i'll look into it thankyou |
| 00:44.38 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 i use one of them for mysql box, another serves as http server... they all got their own IPs and full axx to the Inet |
| 00:44.43 | creature_ | How do I build a Packages.gz and a Sources.gz for a given set of packages? |
| 00:45.06 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 think how secure that is... you risk only one box at a time ;) |
| 00:45.12 | sobersabre | has anybody tried to upgrade non debian reiserfs raid to a debian one ? |
| 00:45.24 | sobersabre | creature_ there's a howto on debian site |
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| 00:45.38 | eldowan | sobersabre: is the raid array your system install, or just data/ |
| 00:45.51 | creature_ | debian.org is a big place, sobersabre. Do you have a more specific pointer? |
| 00:46.19 | sobersabre | creature_ ... guess where! documentation... etc. |
| 00:46.41 | sobersabre | this is also a big place, but try following your intuition |
| 00:46.48 | eldowan | creature: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 00:46.58 | creature | Thanks, eldowan. |
| 00:46.59 | Ki11Bi11 | rpc, i guess you might keep you main box off the net, just on a local lan |
| 00:47.02 | rpc | hrhm a silly question - how do you make an ssh session alive server-side? |
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| 00:47.14 | rpc | i'm tired of relogging each 30 minutes or so |
| 00:47.32 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 that's right |
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| 00:47.37 | eldowan | rpc: re explain your question? I don't understand. |
| 00:47.54 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 even better... the main one acts like a router and it fully transparent... |
| 00:47.58 | rpc | is* |
| 00:48.20 | rpc | eldowan i mean i would like the sshd keep ssh sessions alive and do not disconnect idle ones |
| 00:48.29 | rpc | to* keep |
| 00:48.44 | Ki11Bi11 | rpc, you should do a erite up for debian administration! |
| 00:48.48 | eldowan | rpc: you want a keep alive? |
| 00:48.52 | rpc | yes |
| 00:48.53 | ruied | I have a problem, both of my machines (debian) has the nfs-kernel-server; nfs-common and nfs-user-server, and just one of them has the 'exportfs' command, what package has exportfs command ? |
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| 00:49.03 | rpc | Ki11Bi11 he he |
| 00:49.11 | peterS | ruied: dpkg -S exportfs |
| 00:49.11 | Ki11Bi11 | s/erite/write |
| 00:49.28 | ruied | thanks |
| 00:49.35 | D0ug | What is the debian error pastebin? |
| 00:49.38 | rpc | eldowan i can keep alive client side with dummy packets sent every minute but i often forget to set it up |
| 00:49.52 | dan2 | how do I search by Tags i.e. admin::filesystem |
| 00:49.54 | dan2 | with apt-cache |
| 00:49.56 | eldowan | rpc: look at man ssh_config(5) and search for TCPKeepAlive |
| 00:49.57 | rpc | D0ug just can just use pastebin.ca |
| 00:49.58 | peterS | ruied: also, you probably do not want nfs-user-server, unless you are sure you know what you want it for |
| 00:50.03 | D0ug | Ok |
| 00:50.17 | rpc | eldowan oh thank you very much - didn't know that thing existed in sshd at all so wasn't sure what to look for |
| 00:50.44 | rpc | hmm TCPKeepAlive yes |
| 00:50.47 | eldowan | rpc: :D I remember seeing it somewhere. its all good. |
| 00:50.50 | rpc | and it still breaks my sessions |
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| 00:51.02 | Ki11Bi11 | is php5.2 in etch?\ |
| 00:51.03 | rpc | i never knew it was already in there :) |
| 00:51.06 | eldowan | rpc: hmm. thats no good |
| 00:51.18 | eldowan | it should keepalive by default, at least in debian... |
| 00:51.22 | peterS | Ki11Bi11: yes |
| 00:51.27 | streuner | !tell Ki11Bi11 about search |
| 00:51.27 | rpc | mhm |
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| 00:51.43 | dan2 | peterS: how do I search by Tag: of a package? |
| 00:51.43 | Ki11Bi11 | peterS, goood! thankyou |
| 00:51.50 | ruied | peterS, I'm having lots of problems sharing via nfs, what packages should I have? nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common? |
| 00:52.03 | eldowan | rpc: are you using any flags when you start your ssh session? |
| 00:52.05 | peterS | dan2: don't know if apt-cache can do that at all. debtags can. |
| 00:52.10 | peterS | ruied: yes |
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| 00:52.25 | creature | OK, my apt-get upgrade is asking me if I trust spi-inc.org/SPI_CA_2006-cacert.crt. Do I? |
| 00:52.25 | Ki11Bi11 | gotta go watch dl.tv with patrick norton and robert herron...bye |
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| 00:52.35 | peterS | ruied: and the other end needs nfs-common |
| 00:52.48 | creature | Or perhaps a better question to ask is: do you? |
| 00:52.49 | D0ug | http://pastebin.ca/358008 |
| 00:52.55 | D0ug | Can someone help me with that error? |
| 00:53.31 | eldowan | D0ug: what was the command used to generate this? |
| 00:53.36 | dkr | anyway idea why running "/usr/sbin/base-config new" inside debootstrap chroot as per http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en would result in: + exec script -q -a /var/log/base-config.log -t |
| 00:53.36 | dkr | Terminated |
| 00:53.54 | D0ug | I was installing xlibs from synaptic |
| 00:54.05 | dkr | (the + line is fron runing it with sh -x to see where it was terminaing, actually) |
| 00:54.07 | D0ug | sudo apt-get install xlibs i guess |
| 00:54.13 | ruied | peterS, what about the exportfs? I've checked with dpkg -S it appears only in nfs-user-server... I want to check the exported files that I have... |
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| 00:54.40 | peterS | ruied: that is because you have nfs-user-server installed - it bumps aside the exportfs from nfs-kernel-server |
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| 00:55.31 | timlarson | anybody have yahoo messenger working on debian testing? |
| 00:55.46 | timlarson | it was giving me errors about the helvetica font, |
| 00:55.54 | timlarson | then I installed xfonts-75dpi |
| 00:56.08 | timlarson | now it gives a segfault and no other error messages |
| 00:56.27 | ruied | PeterS: when shoul I need nfs-users-server? just curious... |
| 00:57.05 | peterS | ruied: primarily if you find nfs-kernel-server buggy for your uses |
| 00:57.07 | D0ug | What command could I use to force the install? |
| 00:57.24 | creature | OK. In a Debian repository, does sources.gz have anything to do with non-source packages? |
| 00:57.34 | peterS | creature: it is for source packages |
| 00:57.40 | eldowan | D0ug: --force? I'm not sure, but I would hesitate on forcing aptitude to do anything. |
| 00:57.43 | peterS | creature: also, it is Sources.gz, not sources.gz |
| 00:57.43 | creature | OK, awesome. |
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| 01:01.36 | infernix | D0ug: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 01:02.30 | fenixxx_86 | sera ragazzi |
| 01:02.42 | fenixxx_86 | ce nex ??? |
| 01:02.50 | GeorgeS069 | !it |
| 01:02.50 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'č anche il canale #linux-it lŕ. |
| 01:03.02 | fenixxx_86 | ??? |
| 01:03.09 | D0ug | http://pastebin.ca/358016 <<thats from command line |
| 01:03.17 | fenixxx_86 | ragazzi mi potreste dare un attimo una mano ??? |
| 01:03.21 | fenixxx_86 | sono nuovo di linux |
| 01:03.35 | peterS | fenixxx_86: vada al canale #debian-it |
| 01:03.57 | fenixxx_86 | come faccio ??? |
| 01:04.02 | fenixxx_86 | a ok |
| 01:04.02 | creature | OK, I know I could google this but I'm just trying to update my laptop before going to bed, so if someone who knows what they're talking about could spoon-feed me I'd appreciate it. I want to do NAT for the laptop from this PC; I need an iptables command that says "forward all packets from 192.168.5.101 to the big wide world" and the corresponding return path. How do I do this? |
| 01:04.04 | fenixxx_86 | capito ... |
| 01:04.14 | D0ug | http://pastebin.ca/358017 <<Sources.list |
| 01:04.17 | ruied | now i have an "RPC: Program not registered" when mounting nfs, I have portmap working, I've restarted portmap,nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common (in this order) what could be wrong? |
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| 01:05.12 | peterS | ruied: check portmap's status: "rpcinfo -p your_nfs_server" - it should show mountd listening with 3 protocol versions and both TCP and UDP |
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| 01:06.47 | karsten | Is anyone aware of a solution implementing the Quick File Distribution Challenge method suggested here: http://www.advogato.org/article/555.html ? |
| 01:07.03 | ruied | peterS, I just have portmapper for udp and tcp, no nfs |
| 01:07.28 | GeorgeS069 | creature: I think man route should explain it for you |
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| 01:07.33 | peterS | ruied: so portmapper doesn't show anything except its own two entries for port 111? |
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| 01:08.04 | Wyzard | creature: Use a package that's designed for that purpose, such as ipmasq |
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| 01:08.26 | ruied | peterS, plus one tcp status and one udp status.... just that... |
| 01:08.43 | ruied | 632 and 635... |
| 01:08.53 | peterS | ruied: that's odd. you should have all of portmapper, status, nfs, nlockmgr and mountd |
| 01:09.07 | infernix | D0ug: put the output of "dpkg -l" in a pastebin if you can |
| 01:09.10 | ruied | hmm |
| 01:09.14 | peterS | ruied: either the other daemons couldn't start, or they couldn't talk to portmapper to advertise themselves |
| 01:09.17 | Pedro420 | is there some graphically intuitive way.. preferably through the browser to load/manage profiles short of using the command-line option -profilemanager in firefox? |
| 01:09.21 | creature | GeorgeS069: No, I've got the routing set up OK, it's the iptables forwarding rules that I need now. |
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| 01:09.38 | GeorgeS069 | creature: use what Wyzard said...ipmasq |
| 01:09.41 | peterS | ruied: have you uninstalled nfs-user-server? that might be interfering, if not |
| 01:10.47 | karsten | ... other than, say, bittorrent. |
| 01:11.01 | D0ug | infemix, how can i increase the maximum aterm outup? |
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| 01:11.06 | D0ug | output-* |
| 01:11.26 | creature | Wyzard: I'd rather not do it that way. Partially because I just want to get something running right now so I can apt-get update the laptop and go to bed, but mainly because if I set it up properly I won't have any motivation to sort the wifi on the laptop out. :) |
| 01:11.34 | ruied | peterS: there is an odd thing, I've removed nfs-user-server (apt-get remove nfs-user-server) and the package appears in 'dpkg -l' |
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| 01:12.08 | Wyzard | creature: ipmasq is designed to be simple to set up... you could do it quickly |
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| 01:12.36 | Wyzard | creature: And that's not a very good argument for intentionally doing something wrong the first time so that you have to redo it later :-) |
| 01:12.41 | infernix | D0ug: what's the output of "apt-cache policy xlibs; dpkg -s xlibs" ? |
| 01:12.41 | peterS | ruied: it should appear, but not with the 'ii' flags at the beginning of the line which would signify that it's installed |
| 01:13.43 | ruied | peterS, it has 'rc' flag |
| 01:14.02 | MacNorth | hi everyone. i tried asking this on irc.debian.org's #debian a while ago, but folks were mostly interested in installation support. i'm having problems usind pbuilder: pbuilder can fetch, validate, and extract the packages for etch, but can't install them. i don't really know what do to with the error, though: http://rafb.net/p/pFOICc88.html . if anyone has insight, i'd be grateful :) |
| 01:14.32 | peterS | ruied: if you look at the 2 lines at the top of 'dpkg -l' output, you will see that the r stands for 'desired: remove' and the c stands for 'status: config-files' |
| 01:14.34 | creature | Wyzard: If I'd had any sense I'd have written down the iptables command I used last time, or at least bookmarked whatever page I found it on. |
| 01:15.00 | Wyzard | creature: ipmasq will run the appropriate iptables command(s) for you |
| 01:15.51 | infernix | D0ug: my guess is that you're running ubuntu and have debian sources. see #ubuntu, probably best to reinstall if you have a lot of mixed packages installed. |
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| 01:16.30 | infernix | d0uglas: there is no /usr/lib/libICE.so.6.3 in any version of debian's xlibs package, and i think there is in ubuntu. |
| 01:16.55 | mfrisch | he bolted |
| 01:17.06 | vchrizz | is there a rpm for 'ar' ? |
| 01:17.29 | vchrizz | or do i have to build my own? |
| 01:17.31 | peterS | vchrizz: there isn't an rpm for anything, in Debian |
| 01:17.37 | peterS | vchrizz: go to #fedora or something |
| 01:17.39 | ruied | peterS, I've restarted the machine (just in case). rpcinfo -p only reports the 111 ports and the status ports... |
| 01:17.42 | mfrisch | vchrizz: rpmfind.com |
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| 01:18.00 | vchrizz | peterS, ok .. mfrisch :) |
| 01:18.03 | peterS | vchrizz: I'll give you a freebie: the rpm is most likely called binutils, 'cause that's the package name it would be on Debian |
| 01:18.38 | D0ug | What command did you want to see the output for? |
| 01:18.46 | peterS | I thought rpmfind was .net |
| 01:18.47 | aLtErNs | where repo kanotix in asia |
| 01:19.08 | mfrisch | peterS: I'm not sure its been along time |
| 01:19.11 | Ronin | aLtErNs: #kanotix |
| 01:19.30 | GeorgeS069 | peterS: vchrizz is trying to get debian installed |
| 01:19.30 | ruied | peterS, thanks (I found the problem, I've also had removed the nfs-kernel-server... ) :) |
| 01:19.31 | peterS | mfrisch: if you're gonna give non-debian advice, try to make it accurate. actually the same goes for debian advice (: |
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| 01:19.42 | peterS | ruied: aha |
| 01:19.46 | Wyzard | GeorgeS069: How does installing Debian require use of 'ar' ? |
| 01:19.52 | peterS | ruied: yeah, that explains it - nfs-common includes the status daemon but I guess not the others |
| 01:20.04 | peterS | Wyzard: presumably he wants to unpack debs by hand? |
| 01:20.08 | ruied | it's working in perfection... |
| 01:20.10 | infernix | D0ug: what's the output of "apt-cache policy xlibs; dpkg -s xlibs" ? |
| 01:20.11 | creature | Wyzard: That's great, but I just want to do it myself tonight. |
| 01:20.19 | GeorgeS069 | Wyzard: I dunno...he is doing some funky deb bootstrap from a fedor system I think |
| 01:20.30 | GeorgeS069 | fedora |
| 01:20.43 | Wyzard | creature: You could've had ipmasq installed and working already in the time you've spent telling me it's too complicated |
| 01:20.46 | Ragnaroek | hello |
| 01:21.22 | Wyzard | GeorgeS069: The Debian install manual, in the section describing how to do a debootstrap install, has a link to an RPM of debootstrap |
| 01:21.30 | ruied | peterS, one last question: nfs-user-server is newer than nfs-common? I'm not understanding why this package exists if it could not work.... |
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| 01:21.41 | creature | I'm not saying it's too complex, I'm saying it's not the solution I would like to take right now. |
| 01:21.50 | peterS | ruied: it does work, for some people, but probably requires some configuration. I haven't used it, at least not since 1997 or so |
| 01:22.11 | Wyzard | creature: I don't see why, when it just does automatically the same thing you're trying to do manually |
| 01:22.22 | GeorgeS069 | Wyzard: ok...good info to know for the future...thanks |
| 01:22.31 | ruied | ah, so it's older than nfs-common... |
| 01:22.38 | peterS | Wyzard: ahh but there's that feeling of accomplishment of doing something all by oneself ... with a bit of spoon-feeding from irc. |
| 01:23.01 | creature | Wyzard: Mainly because I want it to be temporary, and transient. |
| 01:23.20 | Wyzard | creature: Then uinstall the package afterward :-) |
| 01:23.24 | Wyzard | only takes a second |
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| 01:23.55 | Wyzard | creature: If you want to do it manually with iptables, it'll be something involving "-j MASQUERADE" in the nat table, I believe, but see the manpage for details |
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| 01:24.11 | ruied | peterS, is there any way so I can check the remote nfs shared folders ? |
| 01:24.42 | Azar | hello honorables :) |
| 01:25.11 | peterS | ruied: 'showmount' from nfs-common |
| 01:25.13 | Ragnaroek | private |
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| 01:25.26 | ruied | thanks! :) |
| 01:25.27 | D0ug | pastebin.ca/358046 |
| 01:25.32 | Alam_Debian | what is the command to check a partition? |
| 01:25.45 | Wyzard | Alam_Debian: fsck, if you mean check a filesystem within a partition |
| 01:26.04 | peterS | badblocks, if you mean check the partition literally |
| 01:26.33 | frostschutz | fdisk, if you just want to check up it's type and size |
| 01:26.51 | peterS | you mean fdisk -l |
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| 01:27.10 | frostschutz | you mean badblocks -n |
| 01:27.13 | peterS | or for that matter cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:27.14 | frostschutz | what's the point |
| 01:27.25 | mrec | does anyone know a command for figuring out the label of a cdrom? |
| 01:27.35 | Wyzard | mrec: isoinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom |
| 01:27.38 | peterS | frostschutz: badblocks without -n is still useful |
| 01:27.41 | ruied | peterS, but showmount, shows only the mounted shares... I would like to 'see' what the remote pc has shared, so I can mount (without making an ssh to the remote pc) |
| 01:27.43 | mrec | Wyzard: great thanks |
| 01:27.48 | Wyzard | mrec: prints the ISO9660 header info, including the volume label |
| 01:28.12 | ruied | ...and check what is in the /ete/exports file... |
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| 01:28.21 | peterS | ruied: 'man showmount' will point to the -e option |
| 01:28.40 | ruied | hmm ok! thanks... |
| 01:29.23 | ruied | peterS: thanks alot! |
| 01:29.28 | peterS | np |
| 01:30.13 | D0ug | Does anyone know what I should do? |
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| 01:31.24 | Wyzard | D0ug: looks like you should upgrade the package |
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| 01:31.27 | vchrizz | rpm -i binutils-2.17.50.20070129-6.i586.rpm; error: Failed dependencies: info is needed by binutils-2.17.50.20070129-6 |
| 01:31.35 | vchrizz | wtf is 'info' ? |
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| 01:31.44 | Wyzard | vchrizz: Why are you asking RPM questions in here? |
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| 01:31.48 | Azar | interesting fdisk /dev/hda gives: The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 14593. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) |
| 01:31.52 | stoned | man |
| 01:31.57 | vchrizz | because i want to install debian on it |
| 01:31.57 | Azar | stoned! |
| 01:32.00 | stoned | I'm gonna be here until the end of the month |
| 01:32.04 | vchrizz | and need ar for debootstrab |
| 01:32.06 | vchrizz | p |
| 01:32.07 | stoned | I was supposed to move on saturday |
| 01:32.12 | Azar | where? |
| 01:32.14 | stoned | snowed in |
| 01:32.18 | stoned | Houston |
| 01:32.26 | stoned | now I gotta wait a week or more now |
| 01:32.28 | Azar | lucky you man |
| 01:32.28 | mfrisch | stoned: Are you driving? |
| 01:32.33 | antum1 | I'm just trying to do apt-get update and its frozen |
| 01:32.39 | stoned | mfrisch: yes, I still have not gotten a Uhaul |
| 01:32.40 | Wyzard | vchrizz: But you're asking for help with whatever other distro you're using now |
| 01:32.44 | stoned | waitin on finalized date |
| 01:32.55 | antum1 | 99% [11 Sources gzip 0] |
| 01:32.57 | vchrizz | Wyzard, sorry, ill ask wherever else ;) |
| 01:33.11 | Wyzard | vchrizz: "info" is another package, and there's probably an RPM available for it, but you should really ask in your distro's own channel for help with installing RPMs |
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| 01:33.27 | mfrisch | stoned: what is that 10 hours...you don't want to do that on a "bad" day |
| 01:33.32 | aLtErNs | anyone can help me about debootstrap |
| 01:33.51 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: What about it? |
| 01:33.54 | Azar | antum1: try to use a paster and paste the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:33.58 | vchrizz | Wyzard, i thought of that too, but what does binutils need info for? well i dont care, ill look for it ;) |
| 01:34.13 | rfrank | Hey guys, I have a pcmcia wifi card with prism compatible chipset - what should I get to make it work? I need stumbling abilities too |
| 01:34.18 | antum1 | Azar ok, is it ok to cancel what its doing atm? |
| 01:34.35 | Azar | antum1: what is doing? |
| 01:34.43 | Wyzard | vchrizz: info is used for reading documentation, and the binutils package probably includes documentation in Info format |
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| 01:34.57 | Wyzard | vchrizz: though you're right, it really shouldn't *depend* on info |
| 01:34.58 | antum1 | Azar just saying: 99% [11 Sources gzip 0] |
| 01:35.08 | Azar | hmm ok cancel |
| 01:35.14 | Azar | then show us your sources list |
| 01:35.21 | antum1 | k |
| 01:35.30 | vchrizz | Wyzard, im thinking on writing a bug report :P lol |
| 01:35.39 | Azar | stoned: I'm gonna miss you, man |
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| 01:35.59 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 01:36.05 | Azar | moo? |
| 01:36.18 | Ronin | cow |
| 01:36.25 | Azar | wie gets Klaus? |
| 01:36.29 | Wyzard | vchrizz: btw, you'd probably be better off using "yum" to install your debootstrap RPM's dependencies, rather than installing individual RPMs manually |
| 01:36.37 | antum1 | http://www.pastebin.ca/358067 |
| 01:36.43 | Azar | antum1: ok looking |
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| 01:36.51 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: Ask in the channel, don't PM |
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| 01:37.05 | aLtErNs | ok |
| 01:37.08 | Ronin | aLtErNs: and what distro? it was kanotix a while ago |
| 01:37.10 | stoned | mfrisch: i know been having bad days all month |
| 01:37.11 | vchrizz | heh, ok thx Wyzard |
| 01:37.16 | stoned | Azar: I'll be back! |
| 01:37.21 | aLtErNs | no |
| 01:37.27 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: If you need a livecd, Ubuntu has one already |
| 01:37.28 | vchrizz | lol, yum, cmd not found... ugly rescue |
| 01:37.32 | aLtErNs | me with debian sid |
| 01:37.40 | chafe | ummm |
| 01:37.46 | Azar | stoned: you better! |
| 01:37.52 | stoned | word man word |
| 01:37.53 | chafe | there are a few applications that i have to reinstall every time i reboot |
| 01:37.56 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: You're trying to build a livecd of sid specifically? |
| 01:37.58 | mfrisch | stoned: well you will get there...just think cheap mexi weed cheap mexi weed |
| 01:37.59 | Klaus_Dieter | Azar: och ganz gut, but lets stick to english in this chan |
| 01:38.00 | chafe | how can i ummm... have it not do this |
| 01:38.05 | aLtErNs | yup |
| 01:38.08 | Azar | :P |
| 01:38.20 | chafe | this is very annoyihng |
| 01:38.24 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: That's not really a good idea... sid is a moving target and changes every day |
| 01:38.29 | Azar | antum1: nice sources, do you by chance have any sort of non-free packages there? |
| 01:38.39 | aLtErNs | with debootstrap me build base system |
| 01:38.39 | Azar | that might stall aptitude on update? |
| 01:38.41 | aLtErNs | and |
| 01:39.26 | aLtErNs | Wyzard what good for Livecd |
| 01:39.26 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: Why do you want a livecd of sid? |
| 01:39.26 | Azar | Klaus_Dieter: was j/k I speak keine german btw |
| 01:39.26 | antum1 | Azar i don't think so... |
| 01:39.27 | aLtErNs | its my experiment |
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| 01:39.39 | Azar | antum1: try again but this time try "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" |
| 01:39.45 | Klaus_Dieter | Azar: lol so how do you know then I am german if you don't know of the language? |
| 01:39.46 | antum1 | Azar is there some way to check |
| 01:39.46 | antum1 | ok |
| 01:40.11 | Azar | Klaus_Dieter: you got just a lovely german name that's all |
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| 01:40.26 | Azar | antum1: to check what? |
| 01:40.29 | Klaus_Dieter | hehe |
| 01:40.33 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: I don't understand what sort of "experiment" you're trying to do, but you might want to take a look at the "casper" package |
| 01:40.44 | Ankman | oO |
| 01:40.46 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: That's what Ubuntu uses for their liveCD, I believe |
| 01:40.58 | Azar | antum1: usually we got non-free packages for the video or nic drivers... |
| 01:41.19 | antum1 | Azar: I've got an error this time: http://www.pastebin.ca/358080 |
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| 01:41.37 | Azar | antum1: it won't hurt "just in case" to add " non-free contrib" after main |
| 01:41.50 | rpc | i'm getting 4-5MB/s when moving a file from one sata partition to another... how normal is that and why is that? :) |
| 01:41.59 | Wyzard | antum1: see topic -- "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE?" |
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| 01:42.16 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: its not normal |
| 01:42.18 | aLtErNs | ehmm |
| 01:42.26 | Wyzard | rpc: Lack of DMA maybe? |
| 01:42.28 | Azar | damn antum1 the pub key! |
| 01:42.29 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter that's what i thought... |
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| 01:42.34 | Wyzard | rpc: or badly-fragmented filesystem perhaps |
| 01:42.38 | aLtErNs | Wyzard u have howto about bootstrap |
| 01:42.39 | rpc | Wyzard isn't that on by default in Etch? |
| 01:42.40 | Azar | antum1: hold on |
| 01:42.41 | Klaus_Dieter | at least... if both partitions reside on the same harddrive or in the same computer... |
| 01:42.50 | Klaus_Dieter | if there's a network between those partitions...... |
| 01:42.52 | antum1 | Azar, Wyzard I think I'm the dark here, I don't quite know what it means |
| 01:42.59 | Wyzard | rpc: It should be, but it depends on your hardware |
| 01:43.03 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter it's same physical drive |
| 01:43.08 | Wyzard | antum1: see topic |
| 01:43.12 | rpc | Wyzard how can i begin debugging this crap? :) |
| 01:43.21 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: try hdparm / sdparm |
| 01:43.24 | antum1 | Wyzard where is the topic? is there a website? |
| 01:43.28 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter thank you, checking |
| 01:43.36 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: and try hdparm -tT /dev/sdX |
| 01:43.37 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: The Debian install manual has instructions on how to do a debootstrap install |
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| 01:43.53 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: sd /hdparm for the dma settings. on hdparm its hdparm -d |
| 01:43.54 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: but it doesn't help specifically with building a liveCD... you're on your own for that |
| 01:44.07 | aLtErNs | ehmm |
| 01:44.10 | Azar | antum1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/msg00568.html |
| 01:44.16 | Wyzard | antum1: /topic #debian |
| 01:44.19 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter i think it must be it as even deleting a mere 10GB file takes very long time... |
| 01:44.31 | Azar | Wyzard: is that the key? look at the link ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 01:44.37 | aLtErNs | so what goods for building livecd |
| 01:44.45 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: what's the output of hdparm -tT? |
| 01:45.46 | Wyzard | Azar: looks like it |
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| 01:45.47 | Azar | antum1: try the key from the link |
| 01:45.47 | antum1 | Azar thanks for the link, is it easy to install the key? I've never done this before |
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| 01:45.47 | Wyzard | aLtErNs: Install into a directory with debootstrap, make an initramfs with casper, and then make an iso from the directory, I guess |
| 01:45.53 | Azar | I forgot how to do it.. Wyzard how is the key installed? |
| 01:45.58 | rfrank | any good tutorials for getting wireless working on laptops? |
| 01:46.05 | aLtErNs | ehmm |
| 01:46.08 | aLtErNs | ok |
| 01:46.17 | Wyzard | Azar: something involving "apt-key" IIRC, but it's usually handled by the debian-keyring package |
| 01:46.23 | jesuSS | hey infernix bitch, I see u and your penishead friends try to collide the cgi irc what I used |
| 01:46.28 | jesuSS | so pathetic |
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| 01:46.39 | jesuSS | i will beat the shit out you if I find u |
| 01:46.42 | Azar | antum1: /msg dpkg key |
| 01:46.48 | jesuSS | you stupid fucking child molesting asshole |
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| 01:46.57 | rfrank | o_O |
| 01:46.58 | jesuSS | i will fucking kill you |
| 01:47.00 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter testing now |
| 01:47.02 | Klaus_Dieter | jesuSS: ? |
| 01:47.05 | Ronin | !op jesuSS is being unnecessarily abusive |
| 01:47.06 | dpkg | spamming the channel #debian |
| 01:47.06 | GeorgeS069 | !ops jesuSS |
| 01:47.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: georges069 complains about: jesuSS |
| 01:47.09 | Wyzard | jesuSS: Let's stay civil in here |
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| 01:47.14 | Ronin | !ops jesuSS is being unnecessarily abusive |
| 01:47.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ronin complains about: jesuSS is being unnecessarily abusive |
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| 01:47.18 | Ronin | doh |
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| 01:47.18 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 01:47.23 | antum1 | Azar thanks I'm having a look now |
| 01:47.30 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 01:47.32 | Ronin | pardon for the double |
| 01:47.38 | Azar | thanks peterS |
| 01:47.40 | GeorgeS069 | peterS: thank you |
| 01:48.00 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter: /dev/sda4: |
| 01:48.01 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.01 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.11 | rpc | hope 2 lines paste is fine here... |
| 01:48.19 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: how old is that disk? |
| 01:48.30 | rpc | oh.. it's a fresh samsung sata drive |
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| 01:48.42 | Wyzard | A new drive shouldn't be that slow |
| 01:48.55 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm... for no dma its too fast.... but for a new drive its too slow... my 2year old pata samsung is about that fast |
| 01:48.56 | rpc | i tried -Q but it doesn't accept it |
| 01:49.02 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: check the drivers in the kernel.... |
| 01:49.04 | Wyzard | rpc: My Seagate 750GB SATA drives get about twice that |
| 01:49.15 | rpc | congrats about your drive, Wyzard :) |
| 01:49.27 | Wyzard | rpc: Try "hdparm -I" and see what DMA mode it says it's using |
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| 01:49.52 | Wyzard | rpc: and check dmesg to see if the kernel is reporting I/O errors and retries or something |
| 01:50.46 | antum1 | Azar if I do apt-key add can I use a URL? |
| 01:50.46 | Azar | antum1: its been long I really forgot, try just apt-key see what is happening |
| 01:51.16 | rpc | Wyzard just checking in dmesg and i don't see errors, but perhaps a VIA chipset is causing this havoc? |
| 01:51.17 | antum1 | Azar it gives me a list of commands, i tried apt-key update but it doesn't seem to get any new ones, so I guess I have to download the key and then do an apt-key add |
| 01:51.57 | Wyzard | rpc: I haven't heard bad things about VIA chipsets in general |
| 01:52.08 | Azar | antum1: dpkg say you download it first then install it with apt-key |
| 01:52.15 | karsten | rpc: VIA graphics? |
| 01:52.20 | Azar | I'd guess apt-key "keyname" |
| 01:52.32 | antum1 | Azar thanks, |
| 01:52.33 | karsten | rpc: VIA tends to be pretty decent, though the graphics aren't particularly fast. |
| 01:52.44 | Azar | antum1: look again at /msg dpkg key |
| 01:53.01 | rpc | karsten hmm nope |
| 01:53.16 | rpc | this is what i got from hdparm -I, perhaps you would like to have a look? http://www.pastebin.ca/358098 |
| 01:53.23 | Azar | hey stoned I am so happy today! |
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| 01:54.08 | Azar | stoned: I finnaly managed to annoy my boss: I forgot my e-mail password hahahaha /me hates e-mail |
| 01:54.32 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: try hdparm -d1 /dev/sda |
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| 01:54.37 | rpc | trying |
| 01:54.50 | Klaus_Dieter | then try again hdparm -tT /dev/sda |
| 01:55.01 | rpc | setting using_dma to 1 (on) |
| 01:55.02 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.19 | Klaus_Dieter | ummm I guess you want to try sdparm and check the driver in your kernel |
| 01:55.21 | antum1 | Azar managed to download using gpg --recv-keys <id> |
| 01:55.36 | antum1 | Azar but then have no idea where it has gone? |
| 01:55.38 | Azar | antum1: cool see if it works now |
| 01:55.45 | Wyzard | rpc: That option doesn't work on mine either... I don't think it's applicable to SATA drives |
| 01:55.52 | Azar | see that aptitude command gave you the error? :) |
| 01:56.08 | rpc | karsten all that matters in that box is the drive speed and i wouldn't mind a 15 years old trident 512KB gfx in there :) |
| 01:56.20 | antum1 | Azar I still get the same error from apt / aptitude |
| 01:56.21 | rpc | Wyzard is it fully auto then? |
| 01:56.26 | mfrisch | Klaus_Dieter: 852 MB in 2.00 seconds = 425.80 MB/sec 186 MB in 3.01 seconds = 61.79 MB/sec Seagate sata 250g |
| 01:56.27 | rpc | or should i try sdparm instead? |
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| 01:56.52 | rpc | mfrisch how fast can you move a file between partitions? it goes like 4-5MB/s for me |
| 01:56.54 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: you can also try sdparm |
| 01:57.09 | Azar | hmm antum1 try the link from my link then: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/01/msg00568.html |
| 01:57.13 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: its too slow... I get similar results like mfrisch |
| 01:57.13 | rpc | and deleting a file takes forever too... |
| 01:57.19 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter hm |
| 01:57.22 | mfrisch | rpc: how do I test that? |
| 01:57.26 | antum1 | Azar how do I download the file from that site from command line? |
| 01:57.31 | Klaus_Dieter | BUT if you use fs encryption or software raid this can be slower... |
| 01:57.40 | Azar | antum1: use links ? |
| 01:57.41 | rpc | no raid in there |
| 01:57.45 | Klaus_Dieter | still the values from hdparm -tT are too low |
| 01:57.49 | Azar | or linx ? |
| 01:57.57 | Rob1111 | quick question about using deb for a wireless access point: should I bridge it to ethernet (on my "green" network) for a long term solution or is that a security risk? |
| 01:58.11 | antum1 | Azar its lynx but its not installed... I better install it i guess |
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| 01:58.25 | Wyzard | Rob1111: If your wireless is well-secured (WPA or WPA2 with a strong passphrase) it should be OK |
| 01:58.28 | Azar | antum1: you either got lynx or links.. see which |
| 01:58.40 | Azar | hmm woody used to come with lynx |
| 01:58.55 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: I planned on using some kind of vpn (openvpn, openswan--something like that) |
| 01:59.28 | rpc | or perhaps it's just some module missing in kernel |
| 01:59.35 | Klaus_Dieter | Rob1111: what I have done here is the following: on my AP I have an openvpn server running. the Wlan has a different subnet then ethernet. The vpn is accessible through wireless and this is bridged to ethernet |
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| 02:00.07 | Wyzard | Rob1111: In that case you'd run OpenVPN in tap mode and bridge tap0 to your LAN, and not route *or* bridge the real wifi interface |
| 02:00.09 | Rob1111 | Klaus_Dieter: yeah, that's pretty much the solution I'm looking to build from an old pc |
| 02:00.09 | Azar | antum1: /msg dpkg etch key :) |
| 02:00.10 | Azar | sorry |
| 02:00.19 | Wyzard | Rob1111: but why not just use WPA? |
| 02:00.21 | Azar | man I am so happy I forgot you use etcfh |
| 02:00.45 | Wyzard | Rob1111: It's more widely-supported; with OpenVPN you'd need to install special client software on any computer that's going to connect to the network |
| 02:00.47 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: /shrug, I like the idea of having a vpn, or is WPA good enough? |
| 02:01.07 | Wyzard | Rob1111: WEP sucks, but WPA is fine as long as you choose a good passphrase |
| 02:01.15 | antum1 | Azar you, my friend, are a genius |
| 02:01.16 | Wyzard | Rob1111: Use WPA2 if your hardware supports it |
| 02:01.17 | mfrisch | there is chillspot? |
| 02:01.22 | Azar | antum1: not me, dpkg |
| 02:01.26 | Klaus_Dieter | Rob1111: the Firewall I use is shorewall... it works nice. Make sure you have a mechanism for getting the key to new laptop clients |
| 02:01.29 | Azar | dpkg thank you |
| 02:01.29 | dpkg | Azar: pas de quoi |
| 02:01.32 | Klaus_Dieter | otherwise it will be a nightmare... |
| 02:01.45 | dkr | my debootstrap choked at tasksel with broken dependencies, but running shell and aptitude worked |
| 02:01.45 | antum1 | Azar well thanks anyway, now I can get on with my work! |
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| 02:02.00 | Klaus_Dieter | the only drawback of wpa is that it does not work on some cards... |
| 02:02.01 | Azar | cool good you got it |
| 02:02.12 | antum1 | Azar do you know of any place you can hire debian specialist to do odd jobs at reasonable rates? |
| 02:02.25 | Rob1111 | Klaus_Dieter: still in the research phase, I'm using smoothwall for my main router, but I've used all the pci slots, so I'm going to bridge an old pc |
| 02:02.29 | dkr | antum1: debian.org has a big list somewhere |
| 02:02.33 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: WPA should work on any hardware that supports WEP... that was one of its design goals |
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| 02:02.43 | antum1 | dkr thanks I'll try hunt that down! |
| 02:02.43 | Azar | antum1: sigh no, I wish we'd run Debian at my work.. |
| 02:02.47 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: It's WPA2 that older cards don't support |
| 02:03.10 | antum1 | Azar thats ok, I'm just wanting someone to setup a mail server for me, I don't have the time to learn |
| 02:03.12 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: you're right. What I meant is that some drivers do not support it for some cards |
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| 02:03.37 | Azar | antum1: mail server was my dream too... but darn hard to set it up |
| 02:03.47 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: That's true, but it'd have to be a pretty obsolete card to not have an updated driver with WPA support available, I'd imagine |
| 02:04.01 | antum1 | Azar yeah I've been through a few test servers and never quite got it right, |
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| 02:04.08 | antum1 | well i'm off, thanks for all your hard work |
| 02:04.14 | Klaus_Dieter | yeah.... one of my friends happened to stumble over one... |
| 02:04.29 | Azar | antum1: my ISP gave me all green lights to have my own mailserver, but I was never able to figure it out |
| 02:04.49 | Klaus_Dieter | so I know of the trouble he had with it... Since we lived together in the same flat he was the reason for "my wlan vpn solution" |
| 02:05.01 | Wyzard | Rob1111: http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html |
| 02:05.07 | pickcoder | Azar: what didn't you figure out? |
| 02:05.16 | Wyzard | Rob1111: Seven-word Diceware is a good way to produce a WPA passphrase |
| 02:05.21 | Azar | pickcoder: to build my own mailserver |
| 02:05.41 | Azar | got sick n tired of javascripted webmails |
| 02:05.51 | pickcoder | Azar: webmail != mail server |
| 02:05.53 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:05.54 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: thanks, there's also a decent generator on the GRC Gibson "shields up windows" page (I forget the url) |
| 02:06.00 | pickcoder | squirrelmail is ok |
| 02:06.10 | dav_ | hum what cld i google search for filter content on mailserver (you know like in MSN web interface for cheking for virus or malware on amilcontent) ? |
| 02:06.14 | Azar | pickcoder: yes I know |
| 02:06.16 | Wyzard | Rob1111: I wouldn't use any web-based password generator |
| 02:06.20 | dav_ | s/amilcontent/mail content |
| 02:06.27 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: yeah, probably a good idea |
| 02:06.32 | Klaus_Dieter | dav_: amavis, spamassassin |
| 02:06.38 | Klaus_Dieter | dav_: razor |
| 02:06.44 | Azar | pickcoder: what I want is to have this Debian box used as mailserver so I don't have to rely on my ISP servers |
| 02:06.53 | dav_ | Klaus_Dieter, thks |
| 02:06.54 | GeorgeS069 | dav_: maia mailgaurd |
| 02:07.01 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: so, do you think it would be acceptable to run apache, samba, etc. from the access point as well, or should I not do something like that? |
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| 02:07.02 | Wyzard | Rob1111: or even any computer-based password generator, really, since computers aren't "random" enough; better to roll some dice :-) |
| 02:07.03 | pickcoder | dav_: there is RBL blocking capabilities in postfix |
| 02:07.13 | pickcoder | plus you can setup amavis with clamav and spamassassin |
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| 02:07.30 | Wyzard | Rob1111: As long as it has enough RAM/CPU/whatever to handle the load, I don't see a problem with doing that on a home LAN |
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| 02:07.55 | pickcoder | Azar: if you have your domain with DirecNIC you can setup MX records easily with DirecDNS |
| 02:08.12 | Wyzard | Rob1111: On a business network you'd want separate servers for management and avoiding-single-points-of-failure reasons, but on a personal LAN it should be fine |
| 02:08.17 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: well, the whole passphrase thing either on WEP or WPA is the reason I wanted to use a vpn, which I still might do. The apache etc. question is just a security concern. Worried about wireless access to my green network. |
| 02:08.27 | Azar | pickcoder: really? wow nice.. |
| 02:08.32 | Klaus_Dieter | Rob1111: I had this software running on a p3 with 450mhz and 384megs of ram. Depending on what you actually want.. bUt My guess is that its enough |
| 02:08.34 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: cool, thanks. |
| 02:08.36 | pickcoder | $5 / year additional |
| 02:08.44 | pickcoder | I use it for 2 domains |
| 02:08.54 | Azar | sounds really cool |
| 02:08.58 | Rob1111 | Klaus_Dieter: lol, yeah. Similar specs for the target machine: P3 450, etc etc |
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| 02:09.11 | Wyzard | Rob1111: If you use WPA or WPA2 with a good passphrase, you can consider your wireless network to be about as secure as your wired, I think |
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| 02:10.09 | Wyzard | Rob1111: Major government intelligence agencies might still be able to crack it, but they could also just eavesdrop on your ethernet cables by their EMI emissions :-) |
| 02:10.14 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: Rob1111 but mastering a vpn setup like this is a good teaching on networks :) |
| 02:10.32 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: oh, okay. I didn't know that WPA/2 was that highly regarded... been awhile since I had an interest in wireless, but I just bought my wife a macbook. And she's using the local wireless networks that aren't secured. |
| 02:10.39 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: for that you could use 802.1X.... to encrypt your ethernet |
| 02:10.49 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: true enough |
| 02:10.54 | Wyzard | Well, it's worth setting up OpenVPN too, but do that on the external interface, for remote access... not on the wlan |
| 02:11.04 | Rob1111 | Klaus_Dieter: yeah, I wanted to learn something new as well, so I still might go that route |
| 02:11.15 | Klaus_Dieter | pickcoder: ? |
| 02:11.29 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: I was under the impression that 802.1x is just for authentication, and doesn't actually encrypt the data |
| 02:11.35 | pickcoder | I guess the speed limit killed it for consumer use |
| 02:11.37 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:11.55 | pickcoder | 802.11 frequency hopping |
| 02:12.22 | Wyzard | Rob1111: If you use OpenVPN for your wlan it makes it much more inconvenient to actually connect to the network |
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| 02:12.33 | Wyzard | Rob1111: since you have to actually start and stop the VPN client |
| 02:12.37 | Rob1111 | lol, my favorite wireless network name here locally, is called "20 Bucks Dickhead!!", it's wide open |
| 02:12.53 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:12.56 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: oic, maybe just wpa then |
| 02:13.16 | GeorgeS069 | Rob1111: one at my girlfriends place is called "Who'sYouDaddy" :) |
| 02:13.37 | GeorgeS069 | also wide open |
| 02:13.38 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: I just want my wife to legitimately use our own net connection, and have some home server features on the box as well, that I 've been wanted to do forever. |
| 02:13.53 | Rob1111 | GeorgeS069: lol, is it open to the public? |
| 02:13.57 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: I am not sure if its part of 802.1x but you can use tkip and ccmp together with 802.1x |
| 02:14.10 | Klaus_Dieter | so you have means to encrypt the traffic when using 802.1x |
| 02:14.11 | Suprano | how much will it decrease my disk read/write speed if i encrypt my filesystem using the loop technic? |
| 02:14.14 | GeorgeS069 | Rob1111: it's open but,I'm not sure they know it |
| 02:14.17 | Wyzard | Rob1111: WPA on your wlan, and maybe OpenVPN on the external network you you can VPN in when you're away from home |
| 02:14.28 | Klaus_Dieter | Suprano: depends on the hardware almost impossible to say |
| 02:14.39 | Suprano | i need some decidion help :/ |
| 02:14.40 | pickcoder | our ISP has a 54MB repeater on the highway down the road from my work. I can imagine the door knocks that thing gets. |
| 02:14.52 | Rob1111 | GeorgeS069: yeah, that's the sad state of "off the shelf" and ignorance on the user's part--which isn't entirely their fault. |
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| 02:15.49 | GeorgeS069 | Rob1111: I get sooo tempted to log-in to the open ones and change the passphrase but,the idiots will just take it back and exchange it for a new one |
| 02:15.53 | Wyzard | GeorgeS069: Next time there's a Windows worm that allows remote access to the box's files, wirelessly put a text file on your neighbor's desktop telling him about the problem :-) |
| 02:16.00 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: well, as far as I plan to reach is the couch for my wife's macbook. I'm content with wired linux/bsd in another room with no external access. Just a real simple project that I can set and forget. |
| 02:16.07 | pickcoder | Rob1111: and also ISP installers who couldn't care less about the security |
| 02:16.15 | Suprano | Klaus_Dieter there must be some tests or s.th. |
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| 02:16.39 | Rob1111 | pickcoder: for sure, on my router my biggest attacker is my isp according to the logs |
| 02:16.42 | claudemir | good night guys |
| 02:16.48 | Suprano | gn7 |
| 02:16.51 | Rob1111 | take care |
| 02:16.51 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:16.53 | claudemir | anybody know htb? |
| 02:16.54 | Suprano | -7+8 |
| 02:16.54 | GeorgeS069 | All the open AP's in her area are on full speed comcast cable modems....oh the fun I could have with them....there are 5 that I know of |
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| 02:17.30 | claudemir | I´m need the of howto |
| 02:17.58 | Rob1111 | Klaus, Wyzard--thanks for advice. Hopefully this weekend I'll be setting it up. |
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| 02:18.48 | polishkoop | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 02:18.48 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is, like, apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:18.48 | Rob1111 | do you guys think that Sarge is up for the task, or should I use etch or sid for more current drivers? |
| 02:18.48 | polishkoop | rrggg |
| 02:18.52 | GeorgeS069 | my girlfriend suggested I make a list of all the open AP's I could find and print up flyers offering to fix them for $20 each and deliver them to all the houses in her development |
| 02:18.55 | Wyzard | Rob1111: What hardware are you using for the wireless AP? |
| 02:19.05 | Klaus_Dieter | Rob1111: good luck |
| 02:19.08 | pickcoder | Sarge has 2.6.8, so determine if your chipset(s) are well supported on it |
| 02:19.26 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: still researching... reading howto's etc. Hell, I might even use FreeBSD, not sure yet. |
| 02:19.30 | Rob1111 | Klaus_Dieter: thanks :) |
| 02:19.53 | Rob1111 | GeorgeS069: not bad, hacker for hire :) |
| 02:19.56 | Wyzard | Rob1111: Hardware, not software... is it a wireless PCI card in the computer itself, or an off-the-shell wireless AP device? |
| 02:19.57 | Klaus_Dieter | Rob1111: as far of sargwe vs etch... I have no clue since I do not use debian yet.. |
| 02:20.17 | pickcoder | Rob1111: the latest daily build of the netinstall for Etch has 2.6.18 |
| 02:20.34 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: oh sure, a wireless pci card that I'm going to through into an old abit 440bx chipset mobo with a p3 450 |
| 02:20.48 | polishkoop | I'm using sarge 2.4.27-3-686 and im trying to get ndiswrapper to work with my bcm4306 wireless card. I configured the card and installed everything, but it won't connect to my network. Any suggestions? |
| 02:20.49 | GeorgeS069 | Rob1111: MY idea was to also crack the WEP encrypted ones and print the passphrase out on the flyer :) |
| 02:21.10 | Azar | !beer polishkoop |
| 02:21.18 | polishkoop | thanks 8) |
| 02:21.19 | Wyzard | Rob1111: ok... I don't have experience with setting up wireless APs with Debian (I use a WRT54GL running OpenWRT) so I can't advise you on that, sorry |
| 02:21.20 | Rob1111 | GeorgeS069: lol, kinda mean. |
| 02:21.27 | Azar | great man, you are the first to put a question like a pro |
| 02:21.34 | GeorgeS069 | Rob1111: not gonna do it...I could end up in jail |
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| 02:21.53 | polishkoop | You talking to me Azar? |
| 02:22.01 | Azar | polishkoop: might be that the 2.4 kernel won't support your new card? |
| 02:22.14 | Azar | yep to you :) |
| 02:22.15 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: get a D-link card...bcm43xx is not working for me |
| 02:22.16 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: well, I was reading up on the WRT54GL, and thought about just going that route--but I really want some home server features, so an old pc looks like it. |
| 02:22.34 | pickcoder | Rob1111: some PCI cards are PCMCIA cards physically mounted on PCI adapter, so you may not really know if it'll work until you try it |
| 02:22.48 | polishkoop | Azar: I've tried 2.6 kernel, Ubuntu, etch, freebsd. Never have gotten this card to work, but I do believe I got it to work on sarge at one point in my life. |
| 02:23.09 | polishkoop | GeorgeS069: I'm pretty much considering buying a new wifi card, cause with this current one it is worthless to me |
| 02:23.10 | Wyzard | Rob1111: makes sense... I currently use my WRT as my router, but I plan on building a dedicated router box (which can run some other services too) running Debian, and using the WRT as a wireless AP only |
| 02:23.15 | Rob1111 | pickcoder: yeah, I'm still researching various pci cards, and haven't settled on one yet. thanks for the tip though |
| 02:23.32 | Wyzard | pickcoder: Actually they'd be CardBus, not PCMCIA |
| 02:23.46 | polishkoop | Azar: do you think I should go back to the 386 kernel and try it for the hell of it? I have nothing better to do with my night. |
| 02:23.48 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: I tried for several days to get my bcm4306 to connect and I ended up getting a D-link |
| 02:23.51 | pickcoder | Wyzard: eh? OK.. if you say so |
| 02:24.00 | polishkoop | GeorgeS069: this is probably my third month |
| 02:24.15 | Wyzard | pickcoder: PCMCIA is 16-bit and basically ISA on a card... CardBus is 32-bit and basically PCI on a card |
| 02:24.18 | polishkoop | GeorgeS069: I really don't want to give up, cause that means I lose. |
| 02:24.23 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: yeah, I already have an appliance pc router (using smoothwall linux), so I was loathe to use another one, but I want the features, and the ability to mount and old hard drive for backup and file storage. |
| 02:24.24 | Wyzard | pickcoder: same physical form factor for both though |
| 02:24.33 | pickcoder | Wyzard: PC is PC to me, regardless of bus type |
| 02:24.35 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:24.37 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: you might be able to get a little help in the #bcm-users channel here |
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| 02:25.13 | pickcoder | broadcom is a losing battle, regardless |
| 02:25.29 | Wyzard | Rob1111: Take a look at the VIA C3 and C7 mini-ITX systems... I'm planning on getting a 1GHz C7 (motherboard and processor) plus 512MB of RAM for $220 USD |
| 02:25.36 | pickcoder | as soon as you get it working, they'll change the chipset.. if yours breaks the same model you buy again probably won't work |
| 02:25.43 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: I was initially jittery about having an access point and a home server all in one unit on my trusted green side, but you've put me at ease (mostly :) |
| 02:25.48 | GeorgeS069 | frankly I found #bcm-users useless but,you may have better luck |
| 02:25.53 | Azar | polishkoop: try this: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/153/164/ |
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| 02:26.03 | Wyzard | Rob1111: plus a Mini-ITX case which I already own (bought for $30 a few years ago) and a spare hard drive, and I'll have an inexpensive, quiet, low-power home router/server |
| 02:26.41 | pickcoder | I want to build a mini-ITX media center for my car one of these days |
| 02:26.46 | Wyzard | Rob1111: From a security standpoint, if the wireless is bridged it doesn't matter if the server stuff is on the same box or a separate one |
| 02:26.47 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: yeah, I'm definitely going to do something like that. Having a bunch of old pcs running all the time is kind of annoying |
| 02:27.06 | Wyzard | rob: and if you choose a good passphrase WPA should be fine for security |
| 02:27.06 | polishkoop | hmmm so what D-link card did you recommend I look at? I might go out and buy it tomorrow if some local stores have it |
| 02:27.15 | coldboot | Does anyone in here live and work in Vancouver? |
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| 02:27.36 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: give me a sec and I'll get the #'s for you |
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| 02:28.15 | Wyzard | Rob1111: (The reason I keep emphasizing "good passphrase" is that WPA is vulnerable to offline password guessing -- an attacker can attempt a brute-force attack on your passphrase without needing to actually communicate with the AP |
| 02:28.16 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: with what I'm describing, could my wife wirelessly access, say, the home server's apache? |
| 02:28.21 | Azar | polishkoop: in any case if you can go back to your old card, try upgrading your kernel to at least 2.6.8, you get better hardware support |
| 02:28.38 | Wyzard | Rob1111: so you need to make sure your passphrase can resist a brute-force attack -- that's why I recommend 7-word Diceware) |
| 02:28.40 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: I'm hearing you there. |
| 02:28.51 | Wyzard | Rob1111: yep, with bridging it's effectively just like being plugged into the switch |
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| 02:29.13 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=SEARCH&Ntt=D%2Dlink+wireless&N=0&Dx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&D=D%2Dlink+wireless&Ns=display%5Fprice%7C0&Ntk=All&product_code=338015&Pn=Wireless_G_Notebook_Adapter |
| 02:29.17 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: I've got that page added to my project directory that you linked me (thanks). |
| 02:29.32 | Azar | polishkoop: if you intend to stay with Sarge, try to buy a "not-so-new" hardware |
| 02:29.48 | polishkoop | Azar: I tried doing that when I first installed my sarge system tonight, but I could never get it to boot up. I didn't feel like figuring out why so i just reverted back to 2.4, but moved to 686 |
| 02:30.06 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: here is the chip info 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 02:30.27 | polishkoop | Azar: frankly I do not care what linux distribution I use anymore, I just am tired of this desktop being a huge coaster -- which sadly it has been serving that purpose somewhat well |
| 02:30.30 | Azar | polishkoop: the Sarge installer gives you the chance to install with 2.6.8 kernel : just type linux26 at install time |
| 02:30.36 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: oh okay, yeah, that's the functionality I was looking for. I've never bridged anything, so I have no practical experience. Shouldn't be too tough though, I've got a healthy sized lan at home here. |
| 02:30.55 | polishkoop | Azar: and yeah I tried that stuff in that article you sent me but I still didn't get it to work when I was on etch |
| 02:31.12 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: I had this card up and working on my AP with WPA in about 20 minutes |
| 02:31.26 | Azar | polishkoop: when you buy new hardware, it might not be supported by an older kernel. The newest hardware go better with a Debian Etch installation |
| 02:31.28 | Wyzard | Rob1111: Bridging is forwarding Ethernet frames... a PC with two Ethernet cards bridged together is basically a 2-port switch |
| 02:31.48 | Wyzard | Rob1111: A wireless interface bridged to a wired one is basically a switch where most of the cables are invisible :-) |
| 02:32.05 | Azar | polishkoop: yeah, with Debian you allways should get "conservative" hardware.... |
| 02:32.13 | Rob1111 | Wyzard: oh good, I had it right conceptually then. |
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| 02:32.34 | hhhjr | Good Evening, Maybe someone can tell me whwe to get info on compiling 2.6.19.2 with a intel 865p chipset using sata drive. I tried using the .config file from the working 2.6.18 kernel, and also a new config file but I always have issues with the sata drive. Any help or a link would be appreaciated. Thanks |
| 02:32.46 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: I tried that tutorial also with no luck.I use Etch on this laptop |
| 02:32.49 | Wyzard | Azar: ...I'm running Debian (albeit sid) on a Core 2 Duo processor with three 750GB SATA drives and a PCI Express video card... works fine here |
| 02:32.52 | Klaus_Dieter | hhhjr: use 2.6.20 |
| 02:33.09 | Azar | Wyzard: heh, Sid... with Sid the sky is the limit |
| 02:33.10 | Wyzard | Azar: Debian doesn't necessarily fundamentally require "conservative" hardware |
| 02:33.27 | Azar | Debian Sarge with 2.6.8 kernel yes |
| 02:33.29 | polishkoop | GeorgeS069: I'm running a desktop, not a notebook |
| 02:33.54 | Wyzard | Azar: oh, and a SATA DVD±RW drive too... those are supported as of 2.6.15 :-) |
| 02:34.02 | polishkoop | Azar: and yes, etch was my first attempt at this card, but when I first started linux I used sarge and did manage to get this card working.... so I ended up drifting back to this just to see if I could do it again -- but no. |
| 02:34.16 | Azar | Wyzard: new users will only try the default Sarge's kernel... |
| 02:34.25 | Wyzard | I know |
| 02:34.26 | hhhjr | <Klaus_Dieter> so there is issues with the 2.6.19 ans also should I be able to use the /.config from the 2.6.18? Thanks |
| 02:34.34 | Wyzard | That's why I'm hoping etch gets released soon |
| 02:34.51 | Azar | polishkoop: you tried to "downgrade" from etch to sarge? |
| 02:34.55 | Klaus_Dieter | hhhjr: I do not know about your config but since there is a 2.6.20 out which I personally have found to be more stable I recommend using that one |
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| 02:35.21 | polishkoop | Azar: I just did a fresh install of sarge after I tried the other releases and some other distributions. |
| 02:35.43 | Azar | polishkoop: try again but this time with the "linux26", it might work man |
| 02:35.47 | Suprano | can i hotplug sata ? |
| 02:35.50 | hhhjr | <Klaus_Dieter>is that the kernel in the latest daily snapshot now? |
| 02:36.01 | polishkoop | Azar: and that will get me a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 02:36.08 | Azar | polishkoop: yes |
| 02:36.32 | polishkoop | Azar: and I just tyle linux26 when i get to the initial menu? Sorry for the questioning but I am not very skillfull with linux. |
| 02:36.34 | Azar | polishkoop: is a hidden Sarge install option |
| 02:36.39 | crweb | if i make a package that needs to inject a line into /etc/profile, and remove the line at uninstall, what is the best solution (i'm building a deb) |
| 02:36.49 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: my bcm4306 "works"...as in I can see my AP and even kismet can use it.I just can't get the dang thing to connect to my AP even with all encryption turned off |
| 02:36.54 | Azar | polishkoop: yes |
| 02:37.04 | Klaus_Dieter | hhhjr: don't know what you mean by that |
| 02:37.13 | Suprano | just plug in my sata disk, how can i get linux to notice it? (without reboot) |
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| 02:37.28 | polishkoop | well george and azar, i will be back soon -- gonna get some 2.6.8 action. thanks for the advice. |
| 02:37.34 | Rob1111 | does anyone have any advice on whether to use Sarge or FreeBSD for my wap project, or it that just preference? |
| 02:37.36 | Azar | polishkoop: http://en.brunotorres.net/sargeslide/3 |
| 02:37.46 | pickcoder | Suprano: you can't just plug in a drive to any controller. The controller has to support hot-swap features |
| 02:37.47 | GeorgeS069 | polishkoop: no problema dn good luck |
| 02:37.52 | Azar | polishkoop: look there ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:37.53 | Klaus_Dieter | hhhjr: I use gentoo and I am sneaking around in here to get a feeling of the problems that occur using debian... Because I consider installing it on one of my computers |
| 02:37.58 | pickcoder | same for removing drives |
| 02:38.06 | Suprano | damn |
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| 02:38.34 | Kevin` | Rob1111 if you mean an access point, i'd use something like openwrt before debian, for size considerations, unless you have a hard drive to work with |
| 02:38.35 | dondelelcaro | hhhjr: the snapshots are using 2.6.18 |
| 02:38.35 | Suprano | so if it would support it, i would already got the device, right ? |
| 02:38.40 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: If you're accustomed to Gentoo you'd probably feel most at home with Debian's "unstable" branch, which is current and updated on a daily basis like portage is |
| 02:39.08 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: its not about the update interval but the "feeling" of the tools |
| 02:39.10 | Kevin` | if you have a hard drive, etch all the way :) |
| 02:39.18 | Rob1111 | Kevin`: got a 40g hd that I plan on also using for some services like ssh, apache, samba, etc. |
| 02:39.33 | Klaus_Dieter | I do not care if I have 5 updates daily. The system has to work with a minimal effort |
| 02:39.42 | Azar | Klaus_Dieter: you are the first and only (so far) gentoober who behaves like a gentleman :) |
| 02:39.46 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: Well, the applications themselves are all the same... I like Debian's package management and other infrastructure though |
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| 02:40.15 | dondelelcaro | there are some differences to the applications, but yes, for the most part they're the sam.e |
| 02:40.16 | Klaus_Dieter | Azar: thanks :) |
| 02:40.22 | hhhjr | <Klaus_Dieter>what I am saying is that I have no problem installing fresh just that I have been trying not only with debian but with ubuntu for like 2 months on and off trying to get the 2.6.19 kernel updated but the menuconfig is kicking my a$$ and I have recompiled no less than 20 or 30 times with the same result |
| 02:40.25 | Rob1111 | Klaus_Dieter: I used gentoo for about 6 months and ended up switching to Debian because of the release schedule. But hell, now I'm using opensuse for a desktop. |
| 02:40.44 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: aptitude's interactive mode is a great way to manage packages, much better than apt-get |
| 02:40.57 | Rob1111 | Kevin`: etch over sarge? |
| 02:41.06 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: I have no real clue about the tools. Is there a page that summarizes it so that a completely newbie can start reading it? which also handles more advanced topics? |
| 02:41.08 | dondelelcaro | hhhjr: why aren't you using the working 2.6.18 kernel configuration? |
| 02:41.14 | Kevin` | Rob1111 if it was me doing it, yes |
| 02:41.23 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: for package management I know yum and yast and imho both are not optimal |
| 02:41.34 | dondelelcaro | hhhjr: just use it, run make oldconfig; answer y or m to any new prompts, and use the Debian kernel mantra. |
| 02:41.35 | Rob1111 | Kevin`: is that due to driver support or what (more current drivers)? |
| 02:41.41 | Kevin` | more current everything |
| 02:41.44 | hhhjr | <dondelelcaro>supposedlyit is broke with my DVB card |
| 02:41.50 | Kevin` | and it's been stable in my experience |
| 02:41.51 | Rob1111 | ahh |
| 02:41.53 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: I've only used yum a little, and never yast, but what didn't you like about them? |
| 02:41.57 | Klaus_Dieter | hhhjr: what error do you get? |
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| 02:42.24 | Azar | Klaus_Dieter: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html < for apt-get and aptitude vs apt-get : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 02:42.32 | dondelelcaro | hhhjr: which dvb card, and what kernel? [in any event, it should boot and do everything else that you want.] |
| 02:42.37 | hhhjr | cant mount sda drive sorry not at the machine at the moment |
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| 02:42.59 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: mostly yast: its bulky and slow. Its not flexible. changing media data is a pain. Handling different medias is a pain. Having to update the package cache on every single startup of the setup tool is a waste of time |
| 02:43.03 | Klaus_Dieter | etc |
| 02:43.11 | Klaus_Dieter | its those "little" things that make it uncomfortable to use |
| 02:43.28 | rolandlakr | Anyone know if you can connect to PPPoE while using the Debian Etch netinstaller? |
| 02:43.33 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: You'll be pleased to know that apt does not download package "headers" every time you run it like yum does :-) |
| 02:43.37 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: check the install manual. |
| 02:43.50 | hhhjr | <dondelelcaro>I am trying to get vdr or mythtv installed I sucessfully installed myth but in the kernel I used it wouldnt work with my nexus |
| 02:43.51 | Klaus_Dieter | hhhjr: for what reason? you might have a correct kernel install but a wrong bootloader setup... |
| 02:43.51 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: You do that manually by telling it to "update" |
| 02:44.01 | Rob1111 | man, you really can't apt-get though. Simple, elegant. Compared to Yast/Yum and other things of the sort, debian packaging is so much nicer in my experience. I miss it, using YaST atm. |
| 02:44.02 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: sounds good :) |
| 02:44.11 | Rob1111 | *beat apt-get, rather |
| 02:44.15 | Azar | ...not to forget the dpkg : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpkg << Klaus_Dieter |
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| 02:44.39 | Klaus_Dieter | Azar: dpkg was also available on gentoo for quite a while but it has been replaced by an "own" tool |
| 02:44.53 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: what about dependencies and different medias? |
| 02:44.56 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: One thing I really like about Debian's package system is the robust dependencies... you have not only Depends and Conflicts, but also Recommends, Suggests, Enhances, Replaces, and maybe one or two more that I forgot |
| 02:44.58 | Azar | :) cool |
| 02:45.09 | rolandlakr | Were can I find the install guide? |
| 02:45.25 | dondelelcaro | Pre-Depends, and Provides. |
| 02:45.30 | dondelelcaro | Enhances pretty much is ignored by everything, though. |
| 02:45.36 | Klaus_Dieter | in gentoo there are so called overlays for packages that are not included in the main branch. I guess there are things like this for debian too. Is there a tool that works as catalogue? |
| 02:45.45 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: It's been a long time since I've used CD/DVD media for packges -- I normally just download -- but IIRC apt will just tell you to put in a certain CD (giving you its title) and wait for you to press a key |
| 02:45.50 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: I like that dependency Idea |
| 02:45.58 | dondelelcaro | hhhjr: which nexus card? |
| 02:46.04 | Rob1111 | been awhile, after I netinstall debian-sarge, can I just distro switch to etch by changing the sources--I seem to remember being able to do something like that, but it's been awhile. |
| 02:46.11 | hhhjr | One hing for sure is I am being forced to learn linux. Thanks guys |
| 02:46.20 | hhhjr | <dondelelcaro> 2.3 |
| 02:46.23 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: and Also I like the idea of not having to use a CD... I bet my cd drive is angry at me by now because I have not used it for about half a year |
| 02:46.37 | Rob1111 | bwahah |
| 02:46.56 | GeorgeS069 | !tell Rob1111 -about sarge>etch |
| 02:47.00 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: There are unofficial package repositories that provide the equivalent of your overlays... additional sets of packages that become available for you to install |
| 02:47.11 | GeorgeS069 | crap :) |
| 02:47.21 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: how do I integrate them so my package manager knows about them? |
| 02:47.26 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: You use them by adding lines to /etc/apt/sources.list (a config file) and then doing an "update" to download the new package lists |
| 02:47.46 | Rob1111 | GeorgeS069: lol, thanks for the nice thought, I'll hit him up in a min... |
| 02:47.58 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: There's also a tool ("apt-get policy") to check which source(s) a given package is available from |
| 02:48.00 | pickcoder | Rob1111: make sure you have a kernel meta package installed before you dist-upgrade, if you plan on doing that |
| 02:48.00 | GeorgeS069 | Rob1111: it's pretty simple |
| 02:48.02 | dondelelcaro | hhhjr: supposedly the dvb-ttpci driver works for that; it should already have been built and be included in the 2.6.18.1 kernel packages. |
| 02:48.05 | Klaus_Dieter | hmm ok thats a little more work then in gentoo but when I won't need those much this prabably wont be a problem |
| 02:48.16 | pickcoder | I dunno if that depends bug is still in there or not |
| 02:48.22 | dondelelcaro | hhhjr: if you do need a newer kernel, then just use the same 2.6.18.1 kernel config, and follow the k-p mantra. |
| 02:48.29 | Rob1111 | pickcoder: would it just be easier to burn the etch netinstall then? |
| 02:48.43 | pickcoder | Rob1111: if you don't care about your drive, yes |
| 02:48.47 | pickcoder | much better |
| 02:48.51 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: The most popular unofficial sources are at debian-multimedia.org (which provides mplayer, since Debian can't distribute it legally) and backports.org (which provides newer applications for the current stable release) |
| 02:48.53 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: what about isntalling/compiling my own kernels, maybe having a custom patchset |
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| 02:49.10 | rolandlakr | Can I get a link to the install guide? I can't find one that is to helpful. |
| 02:49.11 | Rob1111 | pickcoder: naw, I don't care about it--it hates me anyway, the lil' basserd. |
| 02:49.11 | Klaus_Dieter | ah yeah.. forgot about the multimedia-binary thing... |
| 02:49.22 | dondelelcaro | Klaus_Dieter: /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra; for the best way to do it in Debian. |
| 02:49.27 | pickcoder | Klaus_Dieter: make-kpkg is awsome for managing kernels and initrds |
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| 02:49.41 | pickcoder | er |
| 02:49.41 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: You can use kernel.org sources or Debian's "linux-source" packages, which provide Debian's patched source... kinda like your vanilla-sources vs. gentoo-sources |
| 02:49.49 | pickcoder | for building debs that you can manage |
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| 02:50.02 | Rob1111 | thanks for the great advice everyone. take care. |
| 02:50.13 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: is supsend2 included in the debian patchset? |
| 02:50.22 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: There are additional "patch packages" available, like kernel-patch-debianlogo and kernel-patch-bootsplash, that add specific features |
| 02:50.25 | dondelelcaro | Klaus_Dieter: no, but you can easily compile kernels with it |
| 02:50.53 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: It isn't unfortunately... the standard kernels are mostly the same as the vanilla kernels, just with bugfixes and stuff |
| 02:51.08 | hhhjr | <dondelelcaro>That is what I have done but I always get errors, but I havent given up once I figure out this config I be a little bit smarter. thanks back to the fourms. |
| 02:51.35 | Klaus_Dieter | what about handling config files on updates |
| 02:51.48 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: Debian also provides a "kernel-package" tool that's a frontend to the kernel build process, kinda like genkernel, and it produces nice packages of the resulting compiled kernels |
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| 02:52.09 | larsl | Which package are the pthread man pages in? |
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| 02:52.15 | Klaus_Dieter | once in a while these config files get out of date by new config options for packages etc. Is there a tool to manage those? |
| 02:52.25 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: That's one area where I think Gentoo does better -- Debian will ask you whether you want to keep the new or old version of the config file, and let you look at the diff, but it doesn't have interactive merging like emerge does |
| 02:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: we actually do have three way merging as well |
| 02:52.44 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: I am not a friend of genkernel because it assumes too much but if I got you right this tool handles patching the kernel for me too? |
| 02:52.55 | dondelelcaro | ucf deals with it in many cases, as does debconf |
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| 02:53.09 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: but whether you choose to keep the "new" or "old" version of the config file, it saves the other one too (with a .dpkg-old or .dpkg-new suffix) so you can go back and merge later |
| 02:53.10 | pickcoder | Klaus_Dieter: the standard patches are available as a package too |
| 02:53.13 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch02s02.html#id307762 |
| 02:53.17 | pickcoder | unless things changed last week |
| 02:53.39 | Klaus_Dieter | I really should check out debian... |
| 02:53.55 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: The kernel-package tool doesn't actually configure the kernel for you like genkernel does... it just automates the build process, including applying unofficial patches from those patch packages I mentioned |
| 02:54.17 | Klaus_Dieter | ah cool so this would be what I want. what is it called? |
| 02:54.21 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: It also handles building third-party kernel modules, like nvidia |
| 02:54.32 | dondelelcaro | Klaus_Dieter: kernel-package; the command is make-kpkg |
| 02:54.38 | dondelelcaro | Klaus_Dieter: /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 02:54.48 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: In most cases the standard kernel is fine though |
| 02:55.09 | rolandlakr | That doesn't explain how to connect with PPPoE.. |
| 02:55.10 | Klaus_Dieter | Azar: thanks for the links... I have overseen them up to now |
| 02:55.16 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: I used to compile custom kernels, for years, and a few months ago I decided it didn't really make a difference, and wasn't worth the effort, so I switched to using the precompiled ones |
| 02:55.17 | pickcoder | when it actually works right, module-assistant is the best thing since sliced bread.. <g> |
| 02:55.30 | Azar | Klaus_Dieter: my pleasure :0 |
| 02:55.43 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: yeah, it works surprisingly often in my experience. |
| 02:55.53 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: btw, where have you seen 3-way merging in dpkg's conffile prompts? |
| 02:56.03 | dotCOMmie | Is it possible to have sshd require password and key? |
| 02:56.05 | GeorgeS069 | m-a is da shiznit |
| 02:56.08 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: it doesn't. ucf is what implements it. |
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| 02:56.17 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: I've had many problems with source trees being missing, even though I saw them install |
| 02:56.27 | Azar | Debian is fun |
| 02:56.28 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: will vmware work with the precompiled kernel? |
| 02:56.31 | rolandlakr | dondelelcaro: do you know how to connect to PPPoE while installing? |
| 02:56.33 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: but not all packages use that, and even for those that do, I've *never* gotten such a prompt |
| 02:56.55 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: Yes, I use it on several systems -- one 32-bit and one 64-bit |
| 02:56.55 | jbrown | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.05 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter try vbox, it's better than vmware |
| 02:57.16 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: you only get a prompt if your configuration differs from the configuration that is automatically generated. |
| 02:57.23 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: it's explained in the install manual. |
| 02:57.33 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: vmware's installer needs to compile a few kernel modules, so you have to install the headers package for your kernel |
| 02:57.35 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: I hve heard about it but I was not sure I wanted it since I have liek 6 virtual machines in vmware format lying around here |
| 02:57.51 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: and I do not know enough of virtualbox |
| 02:57.54 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: (Each precompiled kernel package has a corresponding headers package, containing the files needed to compile third-party modules for that kernel) |
| 02:57.56 | jbrown | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.00 | Klaus_Dieter | so I have no clue if I can convert the images |
| 02:58.06 | rolandlakr | dondelelcaro: the guide you sent me to doesn't explain how to do it. |
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| 02:58.24 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter vbox will be able to convert from vmware soon :) plus please check the manual at virualbox.org - it really is very nice and describes all the features in very comfortable way |
| 02:58.45 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: I've used VMware Workstation 5.5 32-bit, VMware Server 1.0 32-bit, VMware Server 1.0 64-bit, and VMware Workstation 6 Beta 64-bit with Debian precompiled kernels |
| 02:58.49 | Supaplex | bleh, bzip2 is only using one cpu :-/ |
| 02:58.55 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter it does multithreading too... and vmware can't |
| 02:58.56 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: sounds cool. What about this xorg drm stuff... I have a radeon X300. currently I am using a cvs build of mesa so I have ed acceleration with this card - anyone has some experience with this card under debian? |
| 02:59.16 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: I will - thanks for the hint :) |
| 02:59.47 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter just letting you know as i became addicted to vbox lately - and it has good support chan too, great help in there |
| 02:59.53 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: I don't have experience with ATI hardware myself, but I believe the drivers are packaged in much the same way nVidia's are: a module package that builds a module for your specific kernel, and a separate package with the xorg driver |
| 03:00.02 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter running 5 boxes since i started with vbox a month ago or so |
| 03:00.19 | Wyzard | rpc: Keep in mind, vbox claims to be fully open-source, but their Debian packages are non-free |
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| 03:00.32 | rpc | Wyzard it's free for non-commercial use |
| 03:00.43 | Wyzard | rpc: That's not DFSG free |
| 03:00.55 | ofer0 | "free" isn't free |
| 03:01.02 | ofer0 | GPL is free |
| 03:01.18 | rpc | it's a bit limited i know |
| 03:01.26 | Supaplex | FOSS > free |
| 03:01.33 | pickcoder | rolandlakr: you can always abort the network install and install the base system off the CD |
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| 03:01.58 | Wyzard | rpc: I'm more interested in kvm, though when I built kvm-source for 2.6.18 and tried loading the module it hard-locked my system |
| 03:02.05 | Klaus_Dieter | well I am using the open source radeon driver. the ati ones do not work with this card correctly |
| 03:02.18 | Klaus_Dieter | rpc: the converting is a killer for me but if its supported soon.... |
| 03:02.18 | pickcoder | rolandlakr: then boot into the base setup and use pppoeconf |
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| 03:02.19 | Wyzard | rpc: though that might've been some sort of conflict with the VMware modules that were already loaded... anyway I'll wait for 2.6.20 |
| 03:02.22 | rolandlakr | I'm having problems with the base system |
| 03:02.42 | pickcoder | rolandlakr: then you can setup apt and install packages off the net |
| 03:02.51 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: The open-source radeon driver doesn't require a kernel module and should be the same in Debian as in Gentoo |
| 03:03.20 | rolandlakr | It's not working. |
| 03:03.30 | rolandlakr | I need to setup PPPoE |
| 03:03.32 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: but the mesa is important for it but I guess I'll jsut ahve to try it... |
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| 03:03.42 | rolandlakr | on the installer so I can get the system from the start. |
| 03:04.12 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: Mesa is packaged and works fine in my experience... my laptop has i915 video, which also uses Mesa, and I get accelerated 3D just fine there |
| 03:04.22 | Klaus_Dieter | :) |
| 03:04.39 | predder | Is there anyway I can force a process to be a zombie or into uninterupterable sleep? |
| 03:04.43 | rolandlakr | pickcoder, I NEED to connect with PPPoE for the install because of some errors I had later. |
| 03:04.50 | pickcoder | rolandlakr: if you boot into "expert" setup you can abort the network setup and skip it |
| 03:04.51 | predder | (just testing a mon script I wrote) |
| 03:05.17 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: and I didn't have to do anything special to make it work... just configured xorg to use the "i810" driver, IIRC |
| 03:05.28 | rolandlakr | pickcoder, no.. I NEED to connect.. If I don't i'm going to have the same problems I'm having right now and then I'm back to the same place. |
| 03:05.30 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-5a523e8e63ffeee84d8607285d6a96538fa59ace |
| 03:05.31 | pickcoder | rolandlakr: AFAIK the debian installer does not support ppp or pppoe connections right now |
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| 03:06.04 | rolandlakr | pickcoder, erm.. this guide says it DOES support pppoe connections.. |
| 03:06.17 | Wyzard | predder: Write a script that forks and then hangs without terminating, and the child exits immediately... then the child will be a zombie |
| 03:06.20 | dondelelcaro | it does insofar as they'll work if you're using a netinst image |
| 03:06.22 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: sounds almost too easy... but intel chipsets are never a problem... I have a i915 in my laptop too |
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| 03:06.37 | dondelelcaro | since you don't need the network until after you've installed the base system |
| 03:06.38 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: does the daily build work? |
| 03:06.46 | kais0r | hi--mx-spacebar-is-broken |
| 03:06.50 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: I've not used it, so I've no idea. |
| 03:06.54 | Wyzard | predder: As for uninterruptible sleep, that's only for processes that are hung in kernel code, so that's hard to reproduce |
| 03:07.08 | kais0r | -can-i-copx-a-full-debian-system-to-another-harddisk? |
| 03:07.13 | dondelelcaro | kais0r: yes. |
| 03:07.28 | rolandlakr | dondelelcaro, okay, so does it accept pppoe or not..? |
| 03:07.31 | dondelelcaro | well, it can be done. Only you can know whether or not you can do it. |
| 03:07.38 | kais0r | and-how?--are-there-speacial-things-to-care-for? |
| 03:07.45 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: I've heard bad things about ATI's Linux support in general, and that's why I don't buy ATI hardware, but I've never heard of it being *particularly* bad in Debian |
| 03:07.49 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: you don't care either way; just install using a netinst, and when you've installed base, set up pppoe. |
| 03:07.55 | kais0r | make-a-new-mbr-or-smth-? |
| 03:08.06 | rpc | kais0r is-your-space-broken-or-smth? |
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| 03:08.08 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: the official ati drivers are a pain |
| 03:08.15 | dondelelcaro | kais0r: no, you don't necessarily need to do any of that. If you use dd, it's solved trivially. |
| 03:08.17 | Wyzard | Klaus_Dieter: so if you can get your card to work in Gentoo, you can most likely get it to work in Debian too |
| 03:08.17 | kais0r | yes-man |
| 03:08.27 | rolandlakr | dondelelcaro, ugg.. no that wont work. I tried it, It installed the base and now it wont install programs properly. |
| 03:08.27 | dondelelcaro | kais0r: and in any event, select a space, and paste that instead of using -. |
| 03:08.28 | rpc | kais0r i-see-ok |
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| 03:08.38 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: it won't install other programs until you set up pppoe. |
| 03:08.55 | Wyzard | kais0r: doesn't-your-keyboard-have-a-spacebar? |
| 03:08.59 | kais0r | select-a-space...and? |
| 03:09.04 | dondelelcaro | kais0r: paste it. |
| 03:09.05 | kais0r | no,it-hasnt |
| 03:09.06 | rpc | Wyzard oh-it-is-broken |
| 03:09.15 | Klaus_Dieter | Wyzard: I'll try a network install in a virtualbox machine for starters... :) |
| 03:09.21 | rolandlakr | dondelelcaro, I know that. I setup pppoe after the install, but it's not working properly now |
| 03:09.24 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter ;) |
| 03:09.39 | rpc | Klaus_Dieter works fine... if you needed any help please let me know |
| 03:09.39 | kais0r | i-need-a-nedle-or-smth-to-join-chan |
| 03:09.40 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: so you install base, and you set it up after base is installed. What's the problem? |
| 03:09.43 | n3kl | Hi. I have had this probem for a while and googled a bit but have found no solution. Everytime I try to log into my nessus serve I get "SSL Error" Anyone have any ideas on how to resolve this? |
| 03:09.53 | kais0r | need-two-usb-ports-at-the-moment |
| 03:10.01 | kais0r | so-have.-to-use-broken-ps2-board |
| 03:10.06 | rpc | kais0r and-just-one-working-keyboard-too |
| 03:10.17 | rolandlakr | dondelelcaro, It's not installing things properly... It wont install KDE. |
| 03:10.22 | dondelelcaro | egh. stop with the -, please. |
| 03:10.24 | kais0r | :) |
| 03:10.44 | dondelelcaro | rolandlakr: it won't install anything until you've got pppoe set up properly. |
| 03:10.44 | rpc | kais0r did.you.ever.try.dots.instead? |
| 03:10.46 | kais0r | ok,-dd-everything-i'll-try |
| 03:10.51 | kais0r | thank-you |
| 03:10.51 | dondelelcaro | rpc: just stop, please. |
| 03:11.57 | Wyzard | whee |
| 03:11.57 | pickcoder | woot |
| 03:11.58 | rpc | ok dondelelcaro.. |
| 03:11.58 | dvs | that'll stop it1 |
| 03:11.58 | kais0r | hihi |
| 03:11.58 | GeorgeS069 | wowzers |
| 03:11.58 | rpc | see? i stopped and it all broke :) |
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| 03:12.10 | Wyzard | You know, I don't think I've ever seen a netsplit drop anyone I was actually talking to at the time |
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| 03:12.10 | pickcoder | Wyzard: don't spend much time on Dal eh? |
| 03:12.16 | Wyzard | none at all |
| 03:12.20 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 03:12.32 | GeorgeS069 | does anyone spend much time on dalnet? |
| 03:12.38 | Wyzard | freenode is the only IRC network I use anymore |
| 03:12.47 | pickcoder | GeorgeS069: apparently.. it's still alive and breathing |
| 03:12.52 | Wyzard | well, except I'm also in OFTC #debian right now because someone reminded me of its existence yesterday |
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| 03:14.18 | gravity | heh |
| 03:14.21 | rpc | Wyzard so how nice is oftc? shall i give it a try? |
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| 03:14.43 | Wyzard | rpc: It has a #debian, which is actually the official #debian |
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| 03:14.48 | rpc | oh. |
| 03:14.49 | Wyzard | I haven't even looked at what other channels it has |
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| 03:14.59 | Wyzard | I'm mostly just idling there |
| 03:15.02 | rpc | hm vserver people are there too |
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| 03:15.26 | rpc | is oftc older than freenode? |
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| 03:16.14 | Wyzard | no, I think it's newer |
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| 03:16.29 | Wyzard | irc.debian.org used to point at freenode, but now it points at OFTC |
| 03:16.35 | Wyzard | I don't remember why they changed it |
| 03:16.39 | rpc | ok.. i asked as i wasn't sure why i never heard of oftc before |
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| 03:17.05 | rpc | strange in fact, why wouldn't debian people prefer a well established fnode |
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| 03:17.54 | Wyzard | rpc: http://bloggage.org/archives/147-Debian-Moves-To-OFTC.html |
| 03:17.56 | dondelelcaro | there isn't an official #debian; the #debian on OFTC is just the #debian on OFTC. |
| 03:18.05 | dondelelcaro | this is just the #debian that's on FN. |
| 03:18.13 | rpc | plus it's not good to create another network... soon we will have like 10 debian chans to follow, absolutely ridiculous |
| 03:18.25 | dondelelcaro | rpc: there is a #debian on almost every major IRC network. |
| 03:18.28 | rpc | dondelelcaro oh i read you |
| 03:18.39 | rpc | Wyzard hm |
| 03:18.40 | Kevin` | ya, bring them all back to freenode :) |
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| 03:19.06 | dondelelcaro | irc.debian.org most likely won't be changing, because OFTC is primarily where the development discussion occurs. |
| 03:19.13 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Well, irc.debian.org points at OFTC... I'd say that makes their #debian a bit more official than this one |
| 03:19.16 | rpc | mhm |
| 03:19.52 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: it's not official in that there's no specific project recognition of it, nor is it part of the project. |
| 03:20.13 | Wyzard | That's true |
| 03:20.15 | dondelelcaro | that DDs are ops here and there just happens to be the case |
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| 03:20.45 | Wyzard | but it's officially "acknowledged" by the project in a sense |
| 03:20.50 | Wyzard | or at least, by the project's DNS servers |
| 03:21.00 | Supaplex | what will it take to have bzip2 run all cpus, and not just one? |
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| 03:21.38 | Wyzard | and OFTC is apparently actually affiliated with SPI, according to this blog entry |
| 03:21.44 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: have it use threading or fork? Probably not worth it at all. |
| 03:21.54 | Wyzard | Supaplex: run several instances of it, on different files :-) |
| 03:22.07 | Klaus_Dieter | g2g |
| 03:22.13 | Klaus_Dieter | its half past 4 here... |
| 03:22.25 | Supaplex | I have one 40gb file. :-p |
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| 03:23.07 | Wyzard | I guess since bzip2 works in blocks, it'd be possible to parallelize it to compress several blocks at a time in different threads |
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| 03:23.14 | Wyzard | File a wishlist bug :-) |
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| 03:24.18 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Do you use vim or emacs? (Sorry for this question :-)) |
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| 03:25.20 | dondelelcaro | itchi: emacs primarily, but I know how to use both. |
| 03:25.29 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you'll find that we're split about 50:50 |
| 03:25.41 | ofer0 | Wyzard, that's kinda stupid. |
| 03:26.03 | ofer0 | Wyzard, of course it works in blocks. do you think I can load a 14GB file to my RAM ? |
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| 03:26.06 | itchi | Good, that give me motivation to give emacs also a try :-) |
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| 03:26.17 | Wyzard | ofer0: Well, I started using emacs originally, but didn't like its backup~ files cluttering up my /etc |
| 03:26.20 | ofer0 | check both editors, choose what you like |
| 03:26.22 | itchi | root__: boe |
| 03:26.38 | ofer0 | Wyzard, this, of course, can be cancelled easily |
| 03:26.40 | Wyzard | ofer0: and emacs defaults to opening an X window; vim doesn't |
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| 03:26.53 | ofer0 | Wyzard, so alias vim=gvim. who cares ? |
| 03:27.03 | Wyzard | no, I don't *want* it to open an X window |
| 03:27.03 | ofer0 | you're choosing an editor for the wrong reasons |
| 03:27.08 | Wyzard | not for a quick edit of a config file |
| 03:27.11 | itchi | I like vim to be honnest, but hear many good things about emacs too. wtf we have such many great tools guys! :-) |
| 03:27.15 | ofer0 | so tell it not to! |
| 03:27.24 | Wyzard | and I don't want to disable backup files completely, just for stuff in /etc |
| 03:27.25 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: there's no reason to get riled up about it. People can use what they want for whatever reasons they want. |
| 03:27.27 | ofer0 | it's like choosing an editor because you think its name is cool. |
| 03:27.30 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: it's not like it affects you |
| 03:27.40 | Wyzard | so it's simplest to just use vi for a quick edit of a config file :-) |
| 03:28.07 | ofer0 | Wyzard, it can be done easily with Emacs as well. |
| 03:28.38 | Wyzard | Of course it *can* |
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| 03:29.05 | Isaac_Newbton | Wyzard: did you try microemacs? |
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| 03:29.29 | Wyzard | If I were using Windows, I wouldn't launch Visual Studio to edit an .ini file or .html file, even though VS can edit text files just fine :-) |
| 03:29.41 | Wyzard | I haven't heard of that |
| 03:29.45 | ofer0 | Wyzard, it has nothing to do with anything |
| 03:29.49 | Isaac_Newbton | or qemacs-nox, it's even in debian |
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| 03:29.59 | itchi | Wyzard: My first thing i do on a ms box is installing vim haha |
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| 03:30.07 | ofer0 | Wyzard, you're telling me that you use VIM for editting config files, because emacs' default is X11 window. |
| 03:30.13 | ofer0 | that's stupid! change your config! |
| 03:30.23 | Wyzard | Anyway, you're asking as if this is a problem that I'm trying to fix... I'm quite accustomed to running vi in some cases and emacs in others, and don't really have any intention of changing |
| 03:30.27 | Isaac_Newbton | alias emacs="emacs -nox" ;-) |
| 03:30.29 | Wyzard | I see no need |
| 03:30.32 | ofer0 | The first thing I do on an MS box is deleting all MS-related applications and installing debian |
| 03:30.37 | Wyzard | Isaac_Newbton: It's "-nw", I believe |
| 03:30.54 | Isaac_Newbton | a, yea, I forgot |
| 03:31.09 | furne | my xvncviewer can't open display. but there is no log file for it. how to trace the error? |
| 03:31.10 | itchi | ofer0: Some time there's no choice :-( |
| 03:31.24 | ofer0 | itchi, there is choice. run VMware server with Windows XP on it. |
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| 03:31.45 | Wyzard | doesn't work for games |
| 03:31.48 | ofer0 | furne, can you open display for anything else ? |
| 03:31.53 | ofer0 | Wyzard, it does |
| 03:31.55 | itchi | ofer0: Thinking to some job i get be 'interim', where i not see me to tell, i not want your crap, here's the golden CD to install _the_ stuff |
| 03:31.59 | Wyzard | not modern 3D ones |
| 03:32.07 | furne | ofer0, yeh, kde runs ok. |
| 03:32.22 | ofer0 | furne, no, I mean from the command line where you run xvncviewer. |
| 03:32.28 | Isaac_Newbton | sounds like someone is looking for a fight in here ;) |
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| 03:32.41 | ofer0 | Wyzard, I repeat: it does |
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| 03:32.46 | itchi | Near 70% of boxes of companies could be easy switched to GNU/Linux :-) |
| 03:33.10 | ciscokid | can someone refer me to a cisco chan? |
| 03:33.12 | ofer0 | Wyzard, maybe it won't run Quake 4 or Doom 3, but you can run pretty modern games with no delay |
| 03:33.20 | furne | ofer0, haven't try this before. how to display for other purpose? |
| 03:33.30 | itchi | ciscokid: /msg chanserv list *cisco* ?? |
| 03:33.36 | ofer0 | furne, try running "xclock" for example. do you see a clock ? |
| 03:33.42 | Wyzard | ofer0: VMware does not have hardware-accelerated 3D... unless you're referring to the buggy experimental Direct3D 8.1 emulation |
| 03:33.46 | Isaac_Newbton | hehe, quake4 and doom3 ain't modern anymore, altough they run natively on linux |
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| 03:33.59 | ciscokid | thank yo |
| 03:34.05 | Wyzard | ofer0: They're working on it, and I'm sure it'll be well-supported eventually, but right now it's not really an option |
| 03:34.24 | ofer0 | I've never told gamers to use Linux. |
| 03:34.27 | furne | ofer0, oh no, that fail too. |
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| 03:34.34 | strav | he there! I'm currently messing around with the configuration of my dedicated server hosted on ovh (dns phase). While bind's configuration is almost complete, I'm noticing from several diagnostic tools that my secondary dns server is lame, has no authority... I'm not quite shure if my actual configuration is correctly passing my zones to the secondary dns, still lots of ovh users have reported this problem and I haven't been able to find a solution yet |
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| 03:34.34 | strav | ... any suggestions? |
| 03:34.43 | ofer0 | furne, try this: DISPLAY=:0.0 xclock |
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| 03:34.49 | ofer0 | furne, is it working ? |
| 03:35.29 | itchi | ofer0: I'm on the stage to be allowed to install cygwin :-) Can you believe it ? ;-) |
| 03:35.29 | furne | hang on |
| 03:35.42 | Supaplex | Wyzard, dondelelcaro: well, there is bts 411103 :) |
| 03:35.43 | ofer0 | itchi, allowed why whom ? |
| 03:35.59 | itchi | ofer0: You know the 'superiors' :-/ |
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| 03:36.13 | Supaplex | Wyzard: hah, I didn't even see your after thoughts until now. GMTA :-) |
| 03:36.14 | ofer0 | itchi, are you a developer ? |
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| 03:36.45 | itchi | ofer0: As personal hobby, yes, a bit of dev. But actually giving officially support |
| 03:36.57 | ofer0 | itchi, I see |
| 03:37.18 | itchi | ofer0: I will be so happy for my first GNU/Linux support job, that's not yet done :-( |
| 03:37.33 | Wyzard | Supaplex: bzip2 logically divides the file up into 8k blocks, I believe, and compresses each block individually |
| 03:37.42 | furne | ofer0, right now i am running the command remotely via ssh . that may be the problem. i had earlier failed on the local machine. |
| 03:37.42 | ofer0 | itchi, don't think linux support is fun |
| 03:37.53 | ofer0 | furne, close the connection, reconnect with ssh -X |
| 03:38.01 | itchi | ofer0: I like it ;-) |
| 03:38.04 | furne | ok |
| 03:38.06 | Wyzard | Supaplex: so it could theoretically just start several threads and hand out different blocks to each thread |
| 03:38.06 | strav | secondary dns from bullshIT ovh, anyone? |
| 03:38.15 | Supaplex | Wyzard: I'm sure the developer(s) will figure it out, if they haven't already :) |
| 03:38.21 | itchi | ofer0: More GNU, nor realy Linux |
| 03:38.26 | itchi | not* |
| 03:38.44 | itchi | Still miss C knowledges |
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| 03:39.21 | Supaplex | $ cc -o itchi itchi.c ; ./itchi --help |
| 03:39.39 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 411103 |
| 03:39.41 | strav | itchi: one should start with asm (a sado-masochist) |
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| 03:39.43 | dpkg | #411103:W[bzip2] bzip2: more efficent use of SMP systems possible with threading+segmentation; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:33:01 UTC |
| 03:39.49 | Wyzard | hmm... someone gave me a copy of Solaris 10 today and I forgot where I put it :-/ |
| 03:39.52 | itchi | Supaplex: I have write my hello world in C already, but that's all :-s |
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| 03:40.04 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: did you check the transcan or under your coffee cup? |
| 03:40.18 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:40.23 | furne | ofer0, now i get : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 03:40.23 | furne | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 03:40.23 | furne | Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 03:40.25 | Wyzard | ...oh, yeah, it's in my laptop bag |
| 03:40.49 | ofer0 | furne, say again what are you trying to do, please. |
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| 03:41.20 | ofer0 | furne, are you trying to run xvncviewer on remote host using ssh ? |
| 03:41.20 | itchi | caramba |
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| 03:41.49 | Supaplex | oh look, the kids are here to play. |
| 03:41.49 | analfabeta | any mark to etch release final ? |
| 03:41.58 | kais0r | argh-how-long-could-it-take-to-get-400mb-ober-ubs1? |
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| 03:42.21 | Supaplex | kais0r: usb1? haha a LONG time. |
| 03:42.22 | kais0r | *usb |
| 03:42.26 | kais0r | ah |
| 03:42.28 | Wyzard | kais0r: That could take awhile... usb1 is slow |
| 03:42.28 | kais0r | ;) |
| 03:42.30 | furne | ofer0, right now i was trying DISPLAY=:0.0 xclock. |
| 03:42.51 | ofer0 | furne, are you trying to run xvncviewer on remote host using ssh ? |
| 03:42.56 | ofer0 | (generally) |
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| 03:43.18 | furne | ofer0, yes. |
| 03:43.26 | kais0r | df-says-there-are-133k-on-sdb1-where-iam-copxing-all-since-20-min... |
| 03:43.29 | ofer0 | do you know how slow it will be ? |
| 03:43.32 | muhoo | is there a good guide, like the old "new maintainer's guide", for how to make a package with cdbs or the latest etch-level tools? |
| 03:43.46 | muhoo | i haven't built a debian package in 4 years... i'm sure a lot has changed |
| 03:43.50 | itchi | kais0r: What's wrong with your spaces ? |
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| 03:44.00 | Supaplex | !keyboardsmite kais0r |
| 03:44.26 | muhoo | Supaplex: i thought it was just "smite"? |
| 03:44.26 | furne | i have ssh into a remote host and try to run xvncviewer to test out the vncserver i had set up there. hope this is clearer. |
| 03:44.29 | muhoo | !smite me |
| 03:44.29 | kais0r | i-had-a-debian-running-for-nslu2-on-an-usb-stick-now-bought-a-external-hdd-and-dont-want-to-reinstall |
| 03:44.32 | muhoo | there it is |
| 03:44.43 | Supaplex | kais0r: is your spacebar busticated? |
| 03:44.43 | furne | ofer0, i have ssh into a remote host and try to run xvncviewer to test out the vncserver i had set up there. hope this is clearer. |
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| 03:45.21 | muhoo | !smite spacebar |
| 03:45.34 | kais0r | busticated-supaplex? |
| 03:45.37 | ofer0 | furne, you don't need SSH for that. why don't you just connect using xvncviewer from localhost to remote vncserver ? |
| 03:45.42 | Supaplex | !penixsmite kais0r's spacebar |
| 03:45.44 | muhoo | kais0r: you-are-ready-to-become-a-lisp-programmer-now |
| 03:45.47 | Supaplex | kais0r: as in BROKEN |
| 03:45.53 | itchi | kais0r: Do you not see that you have a problem when you write? |
| 03:45.55 | muhoo | or maybe_a_kernel_programmer |
| 03:46.05 | muhoo | orAJavaProgrammerPossibly |
| 03:46.08 | ofer0 | { { { { { Lisp. |
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| 03:46.43 | kais0r | sry.will.change.the.kexboard,when.copying-process.has.finished |
| 03:47.00 | itchi | kais0r: haha |
| 03:47.06 | ofer0 | !nickometer kais0r |
| 03:47.08 | dpkg | 'kais0r' is 97.280% lame, ofer0 |
| 03:47.20 | muhoo | !nickometer hax0r |
| 03:47.21 | dpkg | 'hax0r' is 99.750% lame, muhoo |
| 03:47.30 | muhoo | oh, i think it's *much* lamer than that |
| 03:47.30 | ofer0 | !nickometer h4x0rz |
| 03:47.32 | dpkg | 'h4x0rz' is 99.760% lame, ofer0 |
| 03:48.07 | vchrizz | !nickometer vchrizz |
| 03:48.09 | dpkg | 'vchrizz' is 0.000% lame, vchrizz |
| 03:48.09 | muhoo | !nickometer phil |
| 03:48.11 | dpkg | 'phil' is 0.000% lame, muhoo |
| 03:48.11 | Supaplex | !nickometer {_|_}\\\ |
| 03:48.13 | dpkg | '{_|_}\\\' is 99.979% lame, supaplex |
| 03:48.15 | muhoo | heh! |
| 03:49.11 | vchrizz | !nickometer vChriZZ |
| 03:49.12 | dpkg | 'vChriZZ' is 33.000% lame, vchrizz |
| 03:49.15 | kais0r | iam-from-germany-saxony->"kais0r"-sounds-like-all-my-friends-call-me |
| 03:49.19 | vchrizz | !nickometer VChriZZ |
| 03:49.20 | dpkg | 'VChriZZ' is 33.000% lame, vchrizz |
| 03:49.21 | kais0r | dialect |
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| 03:49.23 | vchrizz | lol |
| 03:49.43 | itchi | Maybe want the guys play with dpkg in PM?? |
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| 03:49.53 | vchrizz | kais0r, like hax0r ? :D |
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| 03:51.35 | kais0r | no.man.my.real.name.is.kaiser.and.my.frends.are-speaking-saxon-dialect->sounds.like.kais0r |
| 03:51.53 | kais0r | whatever:p |
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| 03:52.25 | muhoo | whenever i hear saxon, i think of british metal bands: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_%28band%29 |
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| 03:53.25 | Supaplex | when ever I see saxon, I think of high school algebra books |
| 03:53.55 | muhoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gesture_raised_fist_with_index_and_pinky_lifted.jpg |
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| 03:54.41 | itchi | muhoo: Nothings better to do?? :-p |
| 03:54.56 | muhoo | itchi: yeah, i'm waiting for ingen to build |
| 03:55.22 | furne | ofer0, i failed to do that. both my machines are on a wlan. how to i specify the remote vnc server to the viewer? |
| 03:55.29 | muhoo | and, waiting for an answer as to whether there are any new, up-to-date docs on how to make a debian package |
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| 03:55.46 | ofer0 | furne, just run the viewer and it will ask you. |
| 03:55.57 | ofer0 | furne, are you using debian ? |
| 03:56.13 | furne | ofer0, definitely. |
| 03:56.29 | ofer0 | which xvncviewer package do you use ? |
| 03:56.37 | itchi | muhoo: Look for *-mentor |
| 03:57.01 | furne | ofer0, it is called 'xvncviewer'. |
| 03:57.19 | muhoo | itchi: thanks |
| 03:57.23 | itchi | muhoo: See /msg chanserv list *debian-mentor* |
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| 03:58.14 | furne | ofer0, for Server: , what should i key in? only host:display no.? |
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| 03:58.58 | ofer0 | furne, yeah |
| 03:59.02 | alterns | byee all |
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| 03:59.14 | vchrizz | re cryndes ;) |
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| 04:00.03 | furne | for that, i get: main: unable to resolve host by name: Success (0) |
| 04:00.30 | Wyzard | furne: I don't think there's a "display number" associated with VNC |
| 04:01.07 | Wyzard | furne: just a port, which defaults to 5900 on both the server and the client so you usually don't need to specify it |
| 04:01.25 | furne | Wyzard, i'll try with just the hostname. |
| 04:01.35 | hatter | i have to put hostname:1 |
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| 04:02.02 | furne | Wyzard, same error msg. |
| 04:02.05 | canine_kouji | hey, I'm trying to remember the command to see what package a file came from, what is it? |
| 04:02.33 | canine_kouji | I thought it was <command> -W <file>, but I can't remember what the command is. |
| 04:02.46 | Wyzard | canine_kouji: dpkg -S filename |
| 04:03.00 | canine_kouji | Wyzard: argh :/ I wasn't even close. |
| 04:04.06 | itchi | canine_kouji: Take a look to /msg dpkg search |
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| 04:05.28 | Supaplex | !pet canine_kouji |
| 04:05.47 | Supaplex | !poke YOU |
| 04:06.10 | karsten | dpkg: In soviet russia, you pokes stick! |
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| 04:06.55 | canine_kouji | god, can't believe I used RoR before, or django, or php for that matter |
| 04:07.06 | karsten | canine_kouji: RoR? |
| 04:07.12 | karsten | Ruby on Rails. |
| 04:07.53 | itchi | canine_kouji: Find you turbogears nice? |
| 04:08.57 | itchi | web.py is very fun too :-p |
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| 04:16.15 | abac | hi why etch is late? |
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| 04:17.29 | itchi | abac: Because us want quality before anything else |
| 04:17.29 | karsten | !wwr |
| 04:18.01 | karsten | !wir |
| 04:18.01 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 04:18.09 | karsten | abac: /topic |
| 04:18.25 | karsten | !wwer |
| 04:18.25 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 04:21.14 | yell0w | !siyh |
| 04:21.14 | dpkg | i guess siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 04:31.10 | anarcat | hi |
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| 04:31.19 | anarcat | aptitude and apt-get suddenly segfault on me |
| 04:32.52 | itchi | anarcat: Some RAM troubles? |
| 04:33.13 | itchi | anarcat: Or maybe the cache corrupted?? |
| 04:33.30 | anarcat | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5402 |
| 04:33.37 | itchi | anarcat: Have you try to clean it? apt-get clean |
| 04:34.05 | anarcat | trying |
| 04:34.19 | anarcat | still segfaults |
| 04:34.36 | itchi | anarcat: Looks a memory problem for me, but not yet sure |
| 04:34.44 | anarcat | hmmm |
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| 04:35.59 | hatter | anarcat: i would say as itchi says, get a bootable live cd and do a memtest on the ram |
| 04:36.04 | anarcat | bleh |
| 04:36.07 | anarcat | okay... |
| 04:36.08 | hatter | anarcat: unless u have already ? |
| 04:36.16 | hatter | knoppix has memtest on it |
| 04:36.23 | anarcat | yeah i know |
| 04:36.28 | anarcat | i have it installed too |
| 04:36.54 | anarcat | it just seems weird that only apt-get would crash like this while the whole machine is running a vserver, a GUI, etc, etc |
| 04:37.05 | anarcat | apt is actually running inside a vserver |
| 04:37.32 | itchi | anarcat: Try to compile stuff ;-) |
| 04:38.18 | anarcat | ok |
| 04:38.25 | anarcat | how's irssi? :) |
| 04:38.47 | itchi | !irssi |
| 04:38.48 | dpkg | i guess irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 04:38.50 | itchi | :-p |
| 04:38.58 | itchi | Trust it :-) |
| 04:40.38 | hatter | i have had a ram issue where everything worked fine, it was only one program that woud crash, exactly the same spot, over and over |
| 04:40.40 | anarcat | so... er... how much time is this supposed to take? (the core dump, i mean) |
| 04:40.48 | hatter | do a ram test |
| 04:41.07 | anarcat | hatter: i've also found bugs people repeatadly told me was a memory problem unless i found the bug :P |
| 04:41.21 | anarcat | seems to compile fine, i'll be back after the ram test |
| 04:41.23 | anarcat | thanks |
| 04:41.28 | hatter | i agree, once you do the test then its out of your mind :) |
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| 04:41.36 | anarcat | :P |
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| 04:45.45 | itchi | loser: hi |
| 04:45.52 | itchi | :-p |
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| 04:46.47 | LoseMemory | I want to install squidguard but it needs Berkeley DB. Could anyone tell me the package of Berkeley DB ? |
| 04:46.52 | anarcat | so it's doing mem tests now... no sign of problems yet |
| 04:47.13 | hark | anarcat: did you try removing the bin files in /var/cache/apt/ ? |
| 04:47.21 | itchi | anarcat: Is it on Sarge? |
| 04:47.26 | Coweater | LoseMemory: squidguard is in debian, just use the package manager |
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| 04:48.04 | anarcat | hark: no |
| 04:48.06 | anarcat | itchi: yes |
| 04:48.13 | Coweater | or /msg dpkg search if for some reason you don't want to use the debian squidguard package |
| 04:48.22 | hark | anarcat: just mv them somewhere and run an update |
| 04:48.22 | anarcat | itchi: more precisely, the vserver is running sarge while the parent root vserver is running sid |
| 04:48.33 | anarcat | hark: kinda hard from memtest86+ :P |
| 04:48.48 | anarcat | a test #3: Moving inversions, 8bit pattern |
| 04:49.07 | itchi | anarcat: The memtest was so quick done :-s |
| 04:49.18 | LoseMemory | Coweater, thanks I can install squidguard now |
| 04:49.23 | anarcat | i'm not done, i'm just on another machine |
| 04:49.36 | hark | anarcat: ok, anyway try it if it still does not wok |
| 04:49.41 | anarcat | it's still testing the ram |
| 04:49.49 | anarcat | hark: understood |
| 04:50.03 | anarcat | hark: can i just remove everything under /var/cache/apt, generally? |
| 04:50.13 | hark | no, just the .bin |
| 04:50.18 | anarcat | (my understanding is that it's the case for everything under /var/cache...) |
| 04:50.19 | LoseMemory | Coweater, Berkeley DB is in debian package manager? |
| 04:50.27 | itchi | anarcat: It gona take long time that memtest :-/ |
| 04:51.42 | LoseMemory | ooh Coweater, I see libdb4 may be this package thanks again |
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| 04:53.14 | anarcat | itchi: well, you asked for it :P |
| 04:53.26 | anarcat | and while i'm started with it, might as well do it for a bit |
| 04:53.27 | itchi | anarcat: Yeah, you need to test the stuff |
| 04:53.30 | anarcat | it's been a while anyways |
| 04:54.07 | anarcat | and this server is less and less reliable |
| 04:54.09 | anarcat | er |
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| 04:54.12 | itchi | anarcat: Mabye try hark's trick first and let the box run a night memtest if it not solve?? |
| 04:54.13 | anarcat | s/server/workstation :) |
| 04:54.32 | ofer0 | is it possible to use an encrypted repository with rdiff-backup ? |
| 04:54.40 | anarcat | ofer0: i don't think so |
| 04:54.48 | anarcat | ofer0: i think unicity offers that |
| 04:54.49 | anarcat | er |
| 04:54.52 | anarcat | duplicity is the name |
| 04:54.57 | trogg | hey guys |
| 04:55.02 | trogg | has anyone seen timecop around? |
| 04:55.04 | anarcat | althoug it's a bit of a pain to setup |
| 04:55.07 | ofer0 | anarcat, I see. did you work with duplicity a bit ? |
| 04:55.12 | anarcat | a bit |
| 04:55.13 | itchi | !seen timecop |
| 04:55.13 | dpkg | timecop <timecop@animenfo.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 701d 4h 52m 15s ago, saying: 'roar'. |
| 04:55.23 | itchi | That's a whiiiille |
| 04:55.54 | trogg | lol |
| 04:55.56 | trogg | wow |
| 04:56.13 | ofer0 | rdiff is very straightforward, I would really like to work with it. how much is it a pain to setup duplicity ? |
| 04:57.01 | anarcat | you need to setup pgp keypairs, iirc |
| 04:57.08 | anarcat | other than that, it should be fairly easy |
| 04:57.16 | anarcat | i used it with backupninja around it |
| 04:58.19 | ofer0 | okay, thank you. |
| 04:58.26 | ofer0 | I hope I can set it up in 45 minuets :) |
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| 04:58.31 | flounders | Well it looks like I got what I wanted with etch. Problems so I could learn how to use the system a little better outside of Fedora. I've got at least 5 multimedia apps to tweak. |
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| 04:59.11 | itchi | flounders: Leave fedora ;-) |
| 04:59.11 | trogg | so nobody has seen timecop around here or other channels? |
| 04:59.28 | itchi | trogg: Trust dpkg ;-) |
| 04:59.30 | felashis | timecop? |
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| 05:00.24 | nottrogg | felashis: yeah, timecop, he's the president of the G N A A |
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| 05:01.13 | no-sweat | hi |
| 05:01.20 | no-sweat | [12:01:07] ::: can't join #debian (auth'ed only (+r))! |
| 05:01.22 | no-sweat | wuts that mean |
| 05:01.34 | itchi | Notorious: You look so suspect |
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| 05:01.43 | itchi | oeps |
| 05:01.52 | itchi | trogg: You look so suspect |
| 05:01.55 | no-sweat | wuts that mean |
| 05:01.56 | no-sweat | [12:01:07] ::: can't join #debian (auth'ed only (+r))! |
| 05:01.58 | no-sweat | HALP |
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| 05:02.01 | no-sweat | O |
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| 05:02.09 | no-sweat | i didnt think u could see me lol |
| 05:02.10 | trogg | itchi: what do you mean sir? |
| 05:02.14 | no-sweat | y did it say that |
| 05:02.14 | no-sweat | help me |
| 05:02.16 | no-sweat | y did it say that |
| 05:02.20 | no-sweat | [12:01:07] ::: can't join #debian (auth'ed only (+r))! |
| 05:02.23 | no-sweat | whats that mean |
| 05:02.25 | itchi | trogg: Nothings |
| 05:02.37 | no-sweat | CAN YOU GUYS SEE WHAT IM TYPING |
| 05:02.39 | no-sweat | HALLO |
| 05:02.40 | Coweater | no-remorse: shut up already, it means you need to be registered on freenode to join this channel |
| 05:02.42 | no-sweat | TEST |
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| 05:02.47 | itchi | no-sweat: yes |
| 05:02.47 | trogg | oh you mean this? |
| 05:02.49 | no-sweat | oh |
| 05:02.53 | no-sweat | Cowboy then how am i in here |
| 05:02.55 | no-sweat | ooop |
| 05:02.56 | no-sweat | sbow |
| 05:03.00 | no-sweat | Coweater |
| 05:03.03 | no-sweat | holy balls |
| 05:03.04 | itchi | no-sweat: stop |
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| 05:03.22 | *** kick/#debian [trogg!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (don't even) |
| 05:03.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
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| 05:03.36 | no-sweat | lol pwnd |
| 05:03.47 | Supaplex | ouu, a lewzer |
| 05:03.54 | itchi | peterS: Have you follow for the +r trouble too? |
| 05:04.03 | peterS | itchi: the what? |
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| 05:04.10 | no-sweat | +r isnt working |
| 05:04.13 | no-sweat | plz help |
| 05:04.20 | itchi | peterS: see no-sweat |
| 05:04.28 | *** join/#debian El_Guillermo (n=UPP@cpe-67-49-195-249.bak.res.rr.com) |
| 05:04.33 | no-sweat | [12:01:07] ::: can't join #debian (auth'ed only (+r))! |
| 05:04.36 | no-sweat | it said that when i joined |
| 05:04.37 | Coweater | no-sweat: it's not +r right now |
| 05:04.42 | graytron | itchi: have you heard of the movie "itchi the killer"? |
| 05:04.45 | no-sweat | then why did it lie |
| 05:04.52 | itchi | graytron: Not yet :-) |
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| 05:05.25 | no-sweat | quit it PEER |
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| 05:05.58 | dikdik | peer more like QUEER amirite?? |
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| 05:06.00 | itchi | I see herer +JLPcflnt dunno about that +r thing |
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| 05:06.08 | no-sweat | urrite lol |
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| 05:07.12 | no-sweat | STOP JOIN/PART FLOOD |
| 05:07.14 | no-sweat | JESUS |
| 05:07.16 | itchi | Notorious: (was a missed nick, no worry, again a error of my part ;-)) |
| 05:07.22 | fellacious | don't we all ♥ autorejoin |
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| 05:07.33 | fellacious | autorejoinedrs should be bant |
| 05:07.34 | itchi | no-sweat: /ignore the joins and part then |
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| 05:07.42 | no-sweat | no!! |
| 05:07.45 | no-sweat | BAN |
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| 05:08.00 | fellacious | just iignore itchi |
| 05:08.08 | Supaplex | no-sweat: FOAD first *waaah* |
| 05:08.08 | itchi | Looks more a network trouble |
| 05:08.14 | itchi | fellacious: dumb guy |
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| 05:08.38 | itchi | fellacious: I know i'm not a genius, but why tell you that? |
| 05:08.39 | fellacious | hm |
| 05:08.44 | fellacious | lol |
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| 05:08.48 | jmac | this is ridiculous |
| 05:08.51 | fellacious | are you mensa-qualifying? |
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| 05:08.59 | peterS | guys. that's enough. |
| 05:09.05 | peterS | if you can't talk about debian, don't. talk. |
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| 05:09.16 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.19 | itchi | done |
| 05:09.23 | fellacious | lol |
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| 05:09.34 | ofer0 | anarcat, I think duplicity doesn't offer encrypted repository, are you sure? how do I find out for sure ? |
| 05:09.37 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.39 | Supaplex | :) |
| 05:09.51 | fellacious | now itchi won't be able to defend himself when i reveal that he looks at child porn when no1s watching |
| 05:09.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@216-15-119-166.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] by peterS |
| 05:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 688] by debhelper |
| 05:10.13 | no-sweat | plzsend me some itchi |
| 05:10.21 | peterS | now none of the rest of us will be able to defend him when you say that either. since we won't be able to hear you. |
| 05:10.33 | jmac | pwn |
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| 05:10.50 | mmmz | DCC SEND LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 05:11.01 | no-sweat | lol kline |
| 05:11.08 | Dewi | peterS: that trogg guy tried to exploit me, btw |
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| 05:11.16 | Dewi | peterS: he probably did it to everyone I guess |
| 05:11.28 | itchi | Dewi: To everyone |
| 05:11.29 | peterS | Dewi: yeah, that's why I kb'd him |
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| 05:11.39 | no-sweat | how to exploit? |
| 05:11.52 | peterS | no-sweat: did you not hear me when I said to talk about debian or not talk? |
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| 05:11.59 | no-sweat | yes sir |
| 05:11.59 | Supaplex | no-sweat: /quit I now own <nick> |
| 05:12.18 | peterS | Supaplex: that goes for you too, thanks |
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| 05:12.32 | no-sweat | and you too itchi |
| 05:12.37 | no-sweat | anyways, back to debian |
| 05:12.44 | no-sweat | i had an issue the other day |
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| 05:15.13 | peterS | Bhaal: can you investigate whoever's RSTing people's connections? it seems malicious |
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| 05:16.09 | no-sweat | /msg dpkg 3.1r4 |
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| 05:17.07 | peterS | no-sweat: you said you had a debian issue earlier. were you just being a poser trying to seem relevant without actually belonging in this channel, or did you just _forget_ your question? |
| 05:17.07 | unix_infidel | wtf? |
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| 05:19.13 | no-sweat | ok |
| 05:19.14 | enouf | [23:26:14] nottrogg (n=nottrogg@static-72-86-135-201.phlapa.east.verizon.net) has joined channel #debian // [23:26:27] nottrogg is now known as trogg // <-- peterS .. ban this asswipe too trying to DCCSend nme adverts |
| 05:19.29 | peterS | enouf: uh I did already |
| 05:19.33 | no-sweat | omglol |
| 05:19.34 | no-sweat | oldnews |
| 05:19.37 | Supaplex | I think it was a personal issue, might not be resolved yet. </who-could-resist?> ;) [ /me now returns to the wodim man page on tty4 ] |
| 05:20.21 | enouf | peterS: just walked in .. caught your ban of @216-15-119-166.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com .. but didn't relate the 2 diff addys |
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| 05:21.25 | enouf | !slap no-sweat with a large ripe banana |
| 05:21.38 | peterS | enouf: don't escalate, plskthx |
| 05:22.00 | enouf | you're aolifyin moi? .. sheesh |
| 05:22.38 | anarcat | ok, so i got tired of memtest :) |
| 05:22.45 | anarcat | 75% through still :) |
| 05:22.56 | itchi | anarcat: I have tell you it :-) |
| 05:23.12 | anarcat | eh |
| 05:23.17 | anarcat | told you it wasn't ram :P |
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| 05:23.36 | itchi | anarcat: I told you that it gona take long time |
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| 05:24.10 | Supaplex | yay, dma over firewire works =:-D |
| 05:24.23 | no-sweat | DCC SEND "icingmyballsbecauseifuckedsomanygayniggerslastnight" 0 0 0 |
| 05:24.25 | peterS | wtf is dma over firewire? |
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| 05:25.26 | Azar | oohoo!! cool |
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| 05:25.57 | enouf | I woke up to a friggin pending DCC send .. a bit pissed ok? .. // [00:10:41] Signoff: hy2u (K-lined) // [00:14:44] Signoff: no-sweat (K-lined) // Escalation? .. or ..erm |
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| 05:25.59 | anarcat | still segfaulting, will try removing bin files |
| 05:26.19 | Supaplex | peterS: from wodim, Beginning DMA speed test. Set CDR_NODMATEST environment variable if device |
| 05:26.23 | Supaplex | communication breaks or freezes immediately after that. |
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| 05:26.49 | anarcat | eeeh... removing the .bin files fixed it!! |
| 05:26.59 | anarcat | tahnks hark |
| 05:27.02 | anarcat | or whoever it was |
| 05:27.09 | itchi | anarcat: Yeah, hark |
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| 05:27.22 | anarcat | itchi: thanks too :) |
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| 05:27.29 | itchi | anarcat: ;-) |
| 05:27.39 | anarcat | always helpful, this chan... |
| 05:27.53 | anarcat | too bad there soooo many bug reports in apt and aptitude... |
| 05:27.58 | anarcat | there's probably tons of dupes too |
| 05:28.10 | Azar | what is a "blob" ? |
| 05:28.19 | Azar | !blob |
| 05:28.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
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| 05:28.39 | g333k_laptop | hi, what's the default character encoding for spanish web pages? |
| 05:28.54 | Azar | aha! |
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| 05:29.09 | peterS | g333k_laptop: the default encoding for _any_ web page is iso-8859-1. but a web server or content author is allowed to specify any encoding he wants |
| 05:29.13 | Supaplex | g333k_laptop: sounds like a web channel question |
| 05:29.47 | Azar | NDAs Versus Free Drivers http://kerneltrap.org/node/7729 << eye opener |
| 05:29.56 | g333k_laptop | How can I tell iceweasel to use a default character encoding? |
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| 05:31.39 | Azar | soooo what is "nv" ? is a debianized version of the real nvidia driver then? |
| 05:31.52 | predder | no, it's an open source driver |
| 05:31.53 | peterS | nv is the original nvidia driver donated to XFree86 back in the late 90s |
| 05:32.08 | peterS | it doesn't support any 3D acceleration but works fine otherwise |
| 05:32.12 | Azar | no NDA involved? |
| 05:32.23 | itchi | g333k_laptop: Have you look in the preferences / content?? |
| 05:32.37 | predder | Azar, the current, official nvidia driver is only distributed in binary form afaik |
| 05:32.39 | hark | anarcat: great :) It usually happens because they become corrupt somehow.. |
| 05:32.40 | Azar | ... cuz I am reading this article and got curious |
| 05:32.45 | itchi | g333k_laptop: 'Fonts & colors' press there on the advanced |
| 05:32.56 | peterS | well ... as for that, the original nv driver was "obfuscated" - made deliberately harder to understand and pick apart - when nvidia first donated it. there are some who say it's still that way - but I haven't checked. |
| 05:33.03 | Supaplex | is genisoimage suitable for tossing some files through wodim onto dvd? I'm a tiny bit lost w/o growiso* or whatever it was. did that go away/merge into this or something else? |
| 05:33.17 | peterS | it's questionable whether anybody could rewrite nv from scratch using publicly available documentation, but without using the nv driver as a reference |
| 05:33.22 | predder | !tell Azar about nv |
| 05:33.49 | peterS | Supaplex: yes, genisoimage should be fine for that purpose. you may want to use the -udf option to make a UDF filesystem rather than pure ISO-9660, especially if you have files greater than 2 GB each |
| 05:33.57 | Azar | predder: thanks I know Im just checking stuff about open drivers, trying to understand things |
| 05:34.24 | Azar | thanks peterS :) |
| 05:34.35 | g333k_laptop | itchi, western iso-8859-1 is set as default but when I open a page it open it with unicode utf-8, why? |
| 05:35.42 | itchi | g333k_laptop: peterS told you why :-) |
| 05:35.43 | peterS | g333k_laptop: the web server is allowed to tell your browser the character set. the web page itself can also do this. if both of them do, the web server's setting takes priority. |
| 05:35.52 | haggz | Azar: the nv driver is semi-OK but does have some issues. Theres an open bug that spoiled my use of it, it removed my mouse pointer if I tried to change desktop session. |
| 05:36.31 | g333k_laptop | peterS, ohh i didnt know that... So I can force people see weird characters in my own page just setting my web server to do that, interesting |
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| 05:37.00 | peterS | g333k_laptop: yeah, I think you just have to send 'Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8' rather than the usual 'Content-Type: text/html' |
| 05:37.17 | peterS | I could be wrong on the details, it's not like I do web stuff for a living |
| 05:38.04 | Supaplex | g333k_laptop: it might be a good idea to let w3c validator check those pages :) |
| 05:38.12 | peterS | g333k_laptop: for example, install the 'libwww-perl' package and then type 'HEAD yahoo.com' |
| 05:38.45 | peterS | (the HEAD command from libwww-perl is extremely useful if you are interested in the details of the HTTP protocol) |
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| 05:40.02 | Azar | haggz: I can understand that, as most drivers come around with bugs. The main annoyance is that the code owners not only don't want to fix the bugs, but they are not willing to let the code free to be inspected and fixed properly by others. It is long known that many drivers have also security issues to start with, and I understand Debian's stance on stability and security of the system. Therefore the reluctance in including them with the |
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| 05:40.24 | peterS | Azar: when you type really long lines on irc they get cut off. "including them with the--" |
| 05:40.52 | g333k_laptop | peterS, charset=utf-8 |
| 05:40.55 | Azar | peterS: oh? sorry did not know... I did not want to use too many entries |
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| 05:41.39 | peterS | Azar: might I suggest /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl from the irssi-scripts package. of course it only works with irssi. but if you type a really long line it will automatically split it for you with ... before and after the split. I run it here and it works great. |
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| 05:42.02 | Ferret | Ooh. |
| 05:42.25 | Azar | cool how could I get it just download? I am not really handy with scripts on irssi |
| 05:42.25 | haggz | azar: Yes, I agree completely with Debian's position on this, and I've decided to recommend Intel graphics because they have the best free and open driver support, if I can trust what I've read on the issue. |
| 05:42.31 | itchi | Azar: With irssi, you got the nice feature and he add the bla bla bla... ...bla bla bla |
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| 05:42.53 | itchi | Azar: Is that not 'default' included? |
| 05:43.01 | peterS | Azar: first, are you using irssi? if so, install the 'irssi-scripts' package. then do 'mkdir -p ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun' then 'ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/' |
| 05:43.11 | Azar | on my screen the long lines seem ok... not cutoff... |
| 05:43.20 | Azar | peterS: yes irssi |
| 05:43.25 | Ferret | Or use scriptassist |
| 05:43.28 | peterS | Azar: oh my bad, splitlong.pl is in 'irssi' not 'irssi-scripts'. so you don't even need to install an extra package |
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| 05:43.46 | peterS | ...at least on sid |
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| 05:44.28 | Azar | :) my irssi screen looks perfect nothing missing, I was worrying about others views/screens |
| 05:44.29 | itchi | Yeah, i have splitlong.pl in my autorun :-p |
| 05:44.39 | peterS | Azar: yeah you can't tell from your end that your line gets cut off. but the splitlong script just assumes it will be cut off at the usual IRC limit of 500 chars or so, so it splits it for you |
| 05:45.33 | Azar | haggz: I am aware about drivers' bugs long before I started using linux: like five years ago... that why I became so pro free-source, not from some blind fanaticism |
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| 05:46.18 | Azar | ... so the others will see the sentences truncated with missing words? |
| 05:46.41 | itchi | Azar: Yes, you just type somethings long and it goes |
| 05:46.46 | peterS | Azar: if you aren't using splitlong.pl, and you type a line longer than 500 chars or so, we see an incomplete line |
| 05:47.06 | Azar | peterS: thanks for letting me know :) |
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| 05:47.16 | enouf | g333k_laptop: likewise you can use a browser like links2 and use/select the Edit > Header Info (and/or Document Info) from the settings to see all that stuff |
| 05:47.26 | peterS | Azar: if you do use it, we will instead see something like this, where a single line is split into two. (of course the split happens much later than ... |
| 05:47.27 | Supaplex | peterS: yay! Track 01: 95 of 4002 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 96%] 4.1x. |
| 05:47.29 | peterS | ... in my example.) |
| 05:47.40 | itchi | Azar: See /set split ?? |
| 05:48.09 | Azar | ok checking |
| 05:48.33 | peterS | Azar: after adding the symlink I told you about, you can just type /run splitlong.pl so you don't have to wait until the next time you restart irssi |
| 05:48.41 | haggz | Azar: That link concerning the free-driver development initiative and the compromising effects of NDAs was very interesting. I'd never thought before that even free GPL'ed code might not be enough to enable further development. |
| 05:48.42 | itchi | Azar: The default settings of it is right if i remember. So you not need to do somethings i think once loaded, just look to the /set stuff about it |
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| 05:50.29 | Azar | itchi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5403 |
| 05:50.50 | Azar | peterS: Ill do it right now |
| 05:51.05 | enouf | heh .. Google.com cookie --> expires=Sun, 17-Jan-203 |
| 05:51.07 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, just wanted to tell, it's not loaded |
| 05:51.11 | enouf | bah 2038 |
| 05:51.35 | peterS | Azar: after you load splitlong you get 3 new irssi config variables: splitlong_max_length, splitlong_line_start, splitlong_line_end. I see no need to change any of them |
| 05:52.08 | g333k_laptop | enouf, just links2 ? |
| 05:52.25 | itchi | enouf: Mine webstuff looks weird :-p Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT |
| 05:52.39 | enouf | g333k_laptop: no .. most have a View Source/View Page Info choice |
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| 05:53.00 | g333k_laptop | ahh ok |
| 05:53.21 | Azar | tatadaaaa! done should I reload irssi? |
| 05:53.25 | enouf | g333k_laptop: but links2 -g is GUI and fast .. All others i tried besides perhaps Dillo are kludgy .. to say theleast .. even when getting page info |
| 05:53.34 | itchi | Azar: No, like peterS told you |
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| 05:53.41 | peterS | Azar: as I told you, just "/run splitlong.pl" and it will load right now |
| 05:53.48 | Azar | ah ok |
| 05:54.07 | g333k_laptop | enouf, what about macromedia an jave plugins? |
| 05:54.10 | peterS | Azar: you can verify that it is loaded with "/set split<TAB><TAB><TAB>" to see the new config variables |
| 05:54.11 | g333k_laptop | java* |
| 05:54.30 | enouf | g333k_laptop: links2 -g also has a toggle html/text which is very handy .. again .. fast, not a kludge, like the Moz renderers |
| 05:54.50 | peterS | enouf: a toggle like the \ key in elinks? |
| 05:54.53 | g333k_laptop | enouf, ooohhh I understand |
| 05:54.56 | enouf | g333k_laptop: I loathe that stuff .. and stay far far away ;-) |
| 05:55.04 | enouf | peterS: yep .. |
| 05:55.16 | peterS | presumably text-mode links2 has the same keybinding.. |
| 05:55.24 | enouf | peterS: same key too ;-) |
| 05:55.34 | Azar | ok it only work on one tab :) |
| 05:55.37 | peterS | sure nouf |
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| 05:55.43 | Azar | cool |
| 05:55.51 | rpc | hmmm... |
| 05:55.52 | rpc | Feb 16 06:51:34 mindstorm kernel: SysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot Crashdump tErm Full kIll saK showMem Nice powerOff showPc unRaw Sync showTasks Unmount |
| 05:55.53 | rpc | Feb 16 06:51:41 mindstorm shutdown[15006]: shutting down for system reboot |
| 05:55.57 | rpc | what can be causing this? |
| 05:56.02 | enouf | peterS: and the / does the text seaching as well .. |
| 05:56.12 | rpc | it started rebooting since yesterday, random ones |
| 05:56.17 | peterS | rpc: apparently you hit Alt-SysRq-and-then-some-random-letter-it-didn't-recognise |
| 05:56.22 | peterS | yep |
| 05:56.36 | rpc | peterS i didn't touch it... it was a remote ssh session |
| 05:56.52 | peterS | rpc: someone did. the magic sysrq facility doesn't trigger _itself_. |
| 05:57.00 | enouf | heh |
| 05:57.02 | rpc | peterS so it was 100% manual action then? |
| 05:57.18 | stew | there is a sysrq net daemon, but... |
| 05:57.22 | peterS | rpc: someone hit alt-sysrq-something, then after seeing the help text, hit alt-sysrq-b or something, for reboot |
| 05:57.30 | tuvwx | i'm having a problem exchanging document revisions with my supervisor. i use latex, and he doesn't like looking into latex sources. any suggestions? |
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| 05:57.40 | rpc | peterS hmm that's pretty interesting |
| 05:57.43 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: I send my major professor the source and pdfs |
| 05:57.53 | peterS | rpc: you can disable this capability: sysctl kernel.sysrq=0 |
| 05:57.57 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: but if your supervisor has problems, perhaps LyX may be the problem? |
| 05:58.01 | enouf | I woke up to a DCC Send pending and an "okay" written in a xterm that I had used prior to call "kcontrol" .. dunno |
| 05:58.03 | dondelelcaro | s/problem/solution to the &/ |
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| 05:58.24 | peterS | rpc: (or put "kernel.sysrq=0" in /etc/sysctl.conf so it will take effect next time you boot) |
| 05:58.32 | rpc | peterS thank you :) but you are sure it couldn't be any remote action, just local? as it looked like someone got root in there and just issued reboot |
| 05:58.51 | vigneswari | hai all |
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| 05:59.02 | peterS | rpc: I think you can trigger sysrq via a command by root but offhand I don't know what it is. anyway, if someone is root on the box, it's no longer your box anyway |
| 05:59.08 | vigneswari | i have some doubys in creating deb package |
| 05:59.18 | rpc | peterS that's what i need to find out :) |
| 05:59.23 | dondelelcaro | vigneswari: just ask; someone here will know |
| 05:59.29 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, he is used to MS word's change tracking: accept changes, versioned changes...etc |
| 05:59.43 | rpc | peterS the box started rebooting itself every 4-5 hours |
| 05:59.49 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: oh; I just tell my major professor to edit it all he wants; I'll give him back the wdiff |
| 05:59.51 | hatter | should pyzor be working on debian sarge ? my logs are getting this : pyzor: check failed: internal error |
| 06:00.10 | peterS | rpc: the presence of the sysrq thing in the log is suspicious - like someone has physical access to the keyboard and is messing with you |
| 06:00.19 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: since I keep all my papers in svn anyway, it doesn't really matter. |
| 06:01.01 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, edit the latex source? i don't think he'll be able to find where he wants his comments if he is looking at the pdf |
| 06:01.04 | rpc | peterS well it could be a colo guy as i reported a loss of connectivity a few hours ago |
| 06:01.06 | vigneswari | i want to make reflect my document in gnome yelp package. for that i ve to create a package for that document. how to do? |
| 06:01.08 | peterS | rpc: the other thing you might have to disable is the ctrlaltdel handler in /etc/inittab, for when someone physically presses Ctrl-Alt-Delete on the keyboard |
| 06:01.13 | rpc | peterS but still... |
| 06:01.32 | rpc | peterS that's great idea, will try that |
| 06:01.38 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, if he was willing to edit the source it would have been perfect. no problems at all |
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| 06:01.45 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: well, it's pretty easy to figure out; your latex source shouldn't have miscelaneous formatting stuff in the middle... it's just a text file |
| 06:01.48 | enouf | that techspot site for the nvidia exploit driver info stinks .. someone alter the factoid for !blob to use http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228 instead |
| 06:02.00 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: but even if not, just copying the pdf stuff out into a word file and making a comment is good enough |
| 06:02.05 | peterS | rpc: better yet, change that line, instead of calling shutdown, have it log a message somewhere so you _know_ that this is what happened |
| 06:02.24 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, right.. forgot about that |
| 06:02.30 | rpc | peterS mhm that's another great idea, your kind help is greatly appreciated |
| 06:03.37 | peterS | rpc: of course, if you need a reboot or something, the colo people have to have a way to do it. so I hope you're using journaling filesystems and such, so they can just hit the big red button in case they try ctrl-alt-del and it merely mocks them (: |
| 06:03.43 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: if worse comes to worse, you can use dvi2tty or similar to shoot it to an OO file and then dump back out later. |
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| 06:05.00 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, i tried tex4ht to produce html. it's pretty good, but not with double-column stuff |
| 06:05.02 | rpc | peterS yes i got journaling in there and now i'm glad i do ;) |
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| 06:05.13 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, and html can be opened in word |
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| 06:05.58 | peterS | rpc: indeed. in this day and age nobody has an excuse not to run a journaling filesystem, since linux has like 6 of them and 2 (ext3, xfs) are in very wide use |
| 06:06.51 | rpc | right. |
| 06:07.20 | peterS | I suppose reiserfs still counts as 'very wide use' too, but that one's only used by people who haven't (yet) learned their lesson (: |
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| 06:07.37 | Supaplex | hehe yup :-p |
| 06:09.26 | haggz | I just learned the hard way that journaling filesystems can give you a false sense of security if you are virtualized...I had an install completely trashed by a power failure because the host OS died with about 10 minutes worth of writes cached and nonupdated to the hdd image file. |
| 06:10.29 | peterS | haggz: oy - you mean the hypervisor lies to the virtual machine about when something has been flushed to disk? |
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| 06:10.52 | Supaplex | well, even real systems can loose data with journalizing. just see bts 411087. |
| 06:11.13 | stew | !dbugs 411087 |
| 06:11.15 | dpkg | #411087:N[postgrey] postgrey: error too vague: DB env: No such file or directory; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:03:01 UTC |
| 06:12.04 | peterS | Supaplex: that doesn't look like 'losing data', it looks like 'losing no data, but requiring manual cleanup' |
| 06:12.12 | haggz | peterS: yeah exactly. I was trying to teach a friend how to do an install by using a bad desktop virtualization program. A fuse blew, and after I tried to reboot I discovered that it hadn't updated the data on the physical drive in the host OS for a LONG time, regardless of how much my guest OS thought it was doing writes. |
| 06:12.13 | peterS | there _is_ a difference |
| 06:12.20 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: oh, I don't bother to create double column stuff until I'm at the submission stage. |
| 06:12.22 | Supaplex | peterS: my tuples went buhbye :-/ |
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| 06:12.29 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: double column stuff is just worthless |
| 06:12.39 | peterS | Supaplex: oh. well, that's not in the bug report |
| 06:12.41 | dondelelcaro | (well, in the draft stage; in print material it makes sense) |
| 06:13.20 | mahesh | Hi all ,konqueror crashes ,pls help me |
| 06:14.16 | peterS | haggz: yeah, if a disk controller (or a host OS for that matter) lies about when the data has hit stable storage (including battery-backed RAM, as found on the more expensive RAID controllers), journaling can't really save you |
| 06:16.19 | haggz | peterS: yeah. There was actually an interesting bug in the kernel they had a hard time squashing that cropped up using KVM, where data corruption would result from how the kernel tracked dirty memory pages and disk writes...over my head, but it was kinda news because Linus was the first to figure out what was causing it. |
| 06:16.46 | vigneswari | i want to make reflect my document in gnome yelp package. for that i ve to create a package for that document. how to do? |
| 06:16.48 | haggz | peterS: so those kinds of synchronization issues can crop up on the small-scale level too |
| 06:16.58 | peterS | haggz: oh that sort of thing isn't as unusual as it sounds. linus is much more than a figurehead, he _often_ tracks down really weird bugs with memory management and such |
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| 06:17.40 | peterS | I don't follow linux-kernel these days, but when I do read it, I notice he seems to be just as involved with the discussions about the really hard bugs as anyone is |
| 06:17.41 | dondelelcaro | yeah... it's like people often forget that RMS is actually a coder. |
| 06:17.45 | haggz | peterS: yeah I try to read the kernel mailing list because its interesting as hell trying to get the gist of whats going on..................... |
| 06:19.09 | haggz | dondelcaro: if all the code written in emacs and compiled on gcc was totaled up, that must be terabytes of code that RMS software is the foundation for...of course about 6 million people have code in emacs and gcc now. |
| 06:19.44 | dondelelcaro | yeah; ye definetly isn't the only source, but it's still fairly impressive. |
| 06:20.07 | peterS | haggz: well, gcc1 and emacs19 anyway |
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| 06:20.49 | haggz | actually I think RMS greatest hack of all time is the GPL...somehow he managed to hack the legal system and copyright law to make it actually be fair. |
| 06:21.19 | peterS | if he's remembered by future generations it will certainly be for the GPL, not for gcc |
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| 06:22.08 | graytron | any debian folks here been running suse enterprise server 10 through qemu? |
| 06:22.22 | peterS | whyever would we do that? |
| 06:22.35 | foolio | graytron, no, but if you're using qemu, you should really make the jump to kvm, which uses a modified qemu but is much faster |
| 06:22.49 | graytron | foolio: i will, eventually |
| 06:22.59 | enouf | tuvwx: heard of antiword? .. check it out .. I only heard about it .. |
| 06:23.02 | graytron | foolio: thanks for the hint |
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| 06:23.22 | peterS | enouf: I use antiword all the time, to read .doc files people send me without having to fire up oowrite, which annoys me |
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| 06:24.07 | enouf | peterS: indeed .. ok .. don't know if would be a helpful step in a markup/metadata changes etc |
| 06:24.22 | mahesh | konqueror crash repot http://rafb.net/p/0tcIOj22.html |
| 06:25.07 | peterS | enouf: yeah I dunno, I just use it in its default mode to render plain ascii. I don't care about prettyprinting, the whole point is to avoid the overhead of a big gui reader like oowrite or even xpdf |
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| 06:26.10 | Azar | in any case, that article is a great debate... loved it. |
| 06:26.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.23 | enouf | s/cought/caught |
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| 06:26.51 | enouf | stil typing dyslexically though :-( |
| 06:26.53 | Azar | enouf: you have read it too? |
| 06:27.02 | aLtErNs | why after chroot mount proc |
| 06:27.02 | enouf | Azar: getting ready to now ;-) |
| 06:27.06 | aLtErNs | but mount point proc does not exist |
| 06:27.12 | aLtErNs | can help me |
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| 06:27.34 | enouf | Azar: but i'm still groggy .. slowly awakening .. so it maty be a bit ;-) |
| 06:27.49 | Azar | :) me ready to go to bed soon |
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| 06:28.57 | Azar | "The Debian distribution is seeking a new leader" wow so soon? April is almost here |
| 06:29.34 | peterS | the election process takes 9 weeks |
| 06:30.01 | peterS | there have been observations in past years that it takes longer than a PM election cycle in Australia |
| 06:31.24 | Azar | this is weird, how come they nominate themselves? I think would be more comfortable for themselves to get nominations from others |
| 06:31.36 | Azar | :) |
| 06:31.43 | foolio | Azar, comfort is not a goal |
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| 06:32.15 | peterS | Azar: no sense nominating someone who doesn't want the job. self-nominations minimize the energy people have to waste on the process by only getting people who want to run |
| 06:32.35 | peterS | Azar: most elections in the real world work the same way |
| 06:32.57 | Azar | hmm then a list with "willing" candidates should be made. Then support and votes to come from the others |
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| 06:33.24 | peterS | Azar: uh that's exactly what a self-nomination process does. the list of willing candidates is the list of candidates who have followed the proper self-nomination procedure |
| 06:33.34 | foolio | yeah....i dont understand the difference, either |
| 06:33.57 | Azar | this time I think should be nice to have an elected DPL that is most popular among all developers |
| 06:34.09 | peterS | Azar: the vote infrastructure can't handle more than 9 candidates, either, due to its use of single-digit numbers on ballots. that is not worth fixing unless a situation arises where more than 9 people want to run |
| 06:34.10 | Azar | ah |
| 06:34.21 | enouf | aLtErNs: bind mount it prior to chroot |
| 06:34.29 | aLtErNs | ehh |
| 06:34.32 | aLtErNs | can u help me |
| 06:34.34 | peterS | possibly the limit is 8, I'm not sure if the digit 0 is used or not |
| 06:34.35 | foolio | this isnt high school class president. popular is not necessarily the best choice. |
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| 06:35.23 | Azar | I guess it is, I wouldn't want to volunteer under a person who I feel is not worth working with |
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| 06:35.51 | peterS | the Debian election system is about as fair as we can think of. (using the "not including me" form of "we" here) |
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| 06:36.27 | enouf | aLtErNs: man mount |
| 06:36.44 | itchi | See the most popular OS MS :-( |
| 06:36.53 | foolio | it seems a bit silly, anyway. no matter which leader we have, we cant release on any kind of set schedule. |
| 06:37.07 | enouf | don't make me nick-o-meter you either |
| 06:37.13 | peterS | right 'cause the project leader doesn't force release management to happen in any particular way |
| 06:37.28 | Callahad | Help! Power blip + JFS = nuked maildir. In my checkfs log, I have an "incorrect link count" followed by "file system object DF200763 is linked as: /dan/Maildir/cur" "cannot repair DF200763. Will release." "2138 files reconnected to /lost+found/." |
| 06:37.36 | Azar | thinking that the Debian project is not a "job" and people volunteer, I think that popularity is the outmost importance. Not as in "good looks" but as in "fairness and amount of work contributed" |
| 06:37.47 | Callahad | What do I need to read up on to recover my 2138 emails? |
| 06:37.59 | peterS | foolio: there's evidence that the present project leader has sped up the etch release by his extracurricular activities. but in his capacity as project leader there's basically nothing he could do about it |
| 06:38.39 | itchi | Callahad: Depend how you have loose it |
| 06:39.04 | peterS | Callahad: probably just a matter of moving files from the /home/lost+found/ directory to a new /home/dan/Maildir/cur directory and giving them appropriate names (small integers, I guess) |
| 06:39.13 | foolio | peterS, i think there should be some discussion on the effectively of that structure. |
| 06:39.13 | peterS | itchi: read up about 4 lines dude |
| 06:39.25 | foolio | peterS, s/effectively/effectiveness |
| 06:39.25 | itchi | ow, sorry :-p |
| 06:40.23 | peterS | foolio: do you think it is possible for a project leader to accomplish a task the release managers, with all the authority they are vested with, cannot? that makes little sense to me. in other words the job of release management is _already_ here and _already_ handled by human beings, I don't see how restructuring the lines of authority would help |
| 06:40.48 | Callahad | peterS: I see tons of I200???.RCN files in my /lost+found/. I've never actually used this filesystem feature before. Any hints as to required reading? |
| 06:40.59 | enouf | Azar: I'm still trying to come to terms with how I feel or don't about forked efforts like dunc-tank and stuff, which until recently, didn't even understand what it was .. thought it was the etch RC effort ... and while related to that .. not it's main erm .. (end) goal/purpose? |
| 06:41.13 | foolio | peterS, that's like saying that because we have a secretary of defense, there's no need for the president to be the commander-in-chief |
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| 06:41.27 | peterS | Callahad: those are your individual email files, most likely. just move them back to your cur folder (which is probably deleted, you have to mkdir it) and name them something like '1' '2' '3' etc. |
| 06:41.41 | peterS | Callahad: start by moving them into place, then read up on the 'rename' perl script to help you with the renaming |
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| 06:41.55 | enouf | Supaplex: that tivo backup sounds like a DVD d/l on Dialup ;-P |
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| 06:42.43 | Azar | enouf: I am trying my best not to critic the dunk-tank, I would rather think it was some kind of "idea" that went bad... bad because other people were left without a proper explanation and felt ignored and marginalized. |
| 06:42.44 | enouf | and equally, if not more as painful |
| 06:42.52 | strav | perhaps I've done something silly... I wanted to clear what I had in syslog in order to easily read new input now it seems the system won't write it in... some help would be nice... |
| 06:42.56 | Azar | maybe this was not done on purpose but burped. |
| 06:43.05 | peterS | foolio: take away the president's staff and budget and all paid government personnel and see how much he can accomplish in either the defense department or any other department |
| 06:43.23 | enouf | Azar: again .. I'm not sure whati think .. though I see your point)s( |
| 06:43.50 | foolio | peterS, that's a good point, which is why i think there should be augmentation |
| 06:44.15 | peterS | foolio: dude we already have release managers. what do you think the project leader should be able to accomplish that the release managers are not already doing? |
| 06:44.28 | peterS | and, more importantly, how do you figure he'll do it? |
| 06:44.40 | Callahad | peterS: Okay, so peeking in side, they are some of my mail. Unfortunately, it's only about 126 files, all but three of which are from Dec 18th, which I have backups of. I'm not seeing anything of the other 2000 mails that should be here... |
| 06:44.44 | Azar | there are a lot of developers out there and everyone has his own way of feeling about issues in the community |
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| 06:45.10 | peterS | Callahad: so in /home/dan/Maildir do you still have those subdirectories 'tmp' and 'new' and 'cur'? |
| 06:45.31 | foolio | peterS, we think we should have developers who are responsible solely for going around and fixing rc bugs, instead of just waiting endless for the developers of those packages to fix them whenever they have time. |
| 06:45.54 | peterS | foolio: you just described ... the release managers. whom we already have. who are not paid and have no real obligation to spend time doing anything, if they don't wish to. |
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| 06:46.05 | xjkx | When i want to run a software that has gui and its from another user it says couldnt connect to 0.0, but i would like to allow, since the user is logged i see no problem to run the software, and its only one machine so its ok ;] |
| 06:46.06 | Callahad | peterS: I do, but they're (mostly) empty. Fetchmail has dumped a few more messages into cur/ |
| 06:46.08 | Azar | ..and I agree is very hard for one leader to reach every single developer and satisfy one's needs but imho if you start something, start for everyone |
| 06:46.08 | x_link | Hi |
| 06:46.19 | x_link | Where under the installation of Debian can you choose your resolution? |
| 06:46.25 | x_link | I have never seen that option. |
| 06:46.40 | peterS | foolio: the debian constitution explicitly states (section 2.1.1) that nothing compels any developers to do any work they don't want to. since it's a volunteer organisation. |
| 06:46.50 | x_link | Cause I re-installed debian yesterday and my resolution is set 680x4xx |
| 06:46.56 | x_link | I can't choose anything else at all. |
| 06:46.56 | Callahad | peterS: Other folders under the toplevel maildir seem to be fine. |
| 06:47.08 | Azar | x_link: after you install the xserver you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or xserver-xorg if you have xorg instead) |
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| 06:47.17 | foolio | peterS, in my eyes, there is an obvious need for augmentation, since apparently the current release managers cant get it all done. simply adding more. not changing things, really. |
| 06:47.17 | x_link | Azar: Ok |
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| 06:47.31 | peterS | Callahad: fetchmail ought to dump stuff into new/ rather than cur/. so that makes me wonder, though it's not really related to your original question |
| 06:47.36 | twobitsprite | what package to |
| 06:47.37 | twobitsprite | er |
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| 06:47.47 | Callahad | peterS: Er, I'm sorry, I meant new/ :) |
| 06:48.03 | Azar | foolio: I think that rushing people on terms is wrong. |
| 06:48.05 | twobitsprite | what package do I need to install to convert windows .fon files to a freetype font? |
| 06:48.07 | x_link | Azar: I have /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:48.17 | Callahad | peterS: A subsequent run of mutt moved many of them over to cur/ |
| 06:48.25 | Azar | x_link: then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:48.34 | peterS | Callahad: I'm also not really familiar with jfs (I only tried it once, and one quick benchmark convinced me that ext3 was way way faster). so I can't suggest any other strategies to find your lost mail, if it didn't end up in /home/lost+found/ |
| 06:48.40 | Lakez | what's the best way to backup data.. something open source or cheap... I'm having issues with versioning kinda thing... I just keep buying new drives to add into the mix, instead of storing the diffs and stuff... |
| 06:48.56 | foolio | Azar, i think that there are enough people in the realm of Debian World that if one cant do it in time and is forced out, another would step in |
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| 06:49.14 | x_link | Azar: I don't know what to answear on all those questions. |
| 06:49.20 | twobitsprite | Lakez: you're using a versioning system right now? |
| 06:49.35 | peterS | foolio: now a _real_ power the DPL has is to "fire" people who aren't doing their special debian duties, like release managers and such. project leaders very rarely use this power, but it exists. |
| 06:49.40 | Callahad | peterS: It was a fun experiment. I'll be moving back to ext3 within a month. I'll also be significantly increasing the frequency of my snapshots. |
| 06:49.44 | Azar | foolio: if my boss (who pays me) tries to rush me , I call in sick |
| 06:49.52 | peterS | Callahad: yeah :/ that may be all you _can_ do. |
| 06:50.02 | Lakez | twobitsprite, no |
| 06:50.13 | Lakez | i'm just rsync'n and manually changing to new drives |
| 06:50.16 | Azar | foolio: not because I am lazy but I can't accept finish a project filled with errors |
| 06:50.28 | twobitsprite | Lakez: try subversion, it only stores diffs |
| 06:50.36 | Callahad | peterS: Thanks for at least getting me this far :) I'll play around with some of the tools in jfsutils and see what I can get there. As soon as I noticed the problem, I remounted in -ro, so hopefully things have been preserved. We'll see. |
| 06:50.44 | Lakez | twobitsprite, subversion for a full filesystem tho? maybe they've got that now, i'll check |
| 06:50.54 | peterS | Callahad: if you remounted -ro, fetchmail must be really clever to still be dumping mail in new/ (: |
| 06:50.57 | twobitsprite | Lakez: well... you can subversion anything |
| 06:51.13 | Callahad | peterS: Note that I remounted as soon as I *noticed* the problem :) |
| 06:51.24 | foolio | Azar, i dont know you, so i mean no offense, but i'm glad you dont work for me :) you're also not volunteer. you're comparing oranges to apples. to volunteer, it's assumed that you have some kind of stake in getting the job done |
| 06:51.25 | peterS | Lakez: if you want subversion for a whole filesystem, I suggest the 'fsvs' project, which uses subversion as a base but is adapted more to the needs of that sort of thing |
| 06:51.31 | peterS | Callahad: ahh (: |
| 06:51.34 | twobitsprite | Lakez: so, currently, you keep indefinate backups? |
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| 06:51.55 | Lakez | twobitsprite, i've got about 14 drives that i'm swapping around... oldest goes |
| 06:52.17 | peterS | one problem with subversion-as-backup-solution is that it's not designed for the ability to throw away old snapshots to reclaim disk space |
| 06:52.19 | twobitsprite | Lakez: and you backup you're entire system... i.e. from / on? |
| 06:52.25 | Azar | foolio: you are right, but my attitude is all about job good done and my boss got lots of props from the upper level thanks to me and he knows it |
| 06:52.43 | x_link | Azar: Then reboot KDE ? |
| 06:52.49 | x_link | When I'm done with all the questions |
| 06:52.51 | Azar | x_link: yes |
| 06:52.52 | Lakez | twobitsprite, usually yep.. just cause i've got freebsd,debian,redhat and just don't bother changing the paths for configs and stuff |
| 06:53.07 | twobitsprite | I see |
| 06:53.10 | x_link | Azar: Ok |
| 06:53.14 | x_link | Thanks for the help |
| 06:53.52 | Azar | foolio: besides, I am the only one who works up to 12 hrs / day and many times with no day off. I made a hobby of my job. |
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| 06:54.18 | vigneswari | i want to make reflect my document in gnome yelp package. for that i ve to create a package for that document. how to do? |
| 06:54.18 | foolio | Azar, in which case, i'm sorry you're not a release manager :) |
| 06:54.31 | Lakez | i've kinda wondered what isp's use for backups |
| 06:54.42 | twobitsprite | Azar: and you prefer this?? |
| 06:54.49 | twobitsprite | Lakez: tapes |
| 06:54.49 | Azar | foolio: my work attitude does not mean I will ever comply with terms. |
| 06:54.50 | foolio | Lakez, big, massive, tape solutions |
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| 06:55.12 | twobitsprite | however, and NC department of revenue, we use a SAN |
| 06:55.31 | Azar | twobitsprite: yes, it gives me satisfaction to see nobody comes after me, pulls my sleeve and complains |
| 06:55.37 | twobitsprite | bing honkin (i.e. size of a refigerator) SAN rack |
| 06:56.12 | twobitsprite | Azar: so you work 12 hours a day to avoid people complaining to you? |
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| 06:56.38 | Azar | twobitsprite: no, for fun. I like my job |
| 06:56.47 | peterS | Azar: yeah you'd make a great debian release manager. except perhaps for the small detail about how it isn't a paid position |
| 06:57.14 | peterS | you might work 12-hour days for no pay for awhile but eventually you'd be like, wtf, maybe I should be earning some money somewhere instead, at least for a few hours a day |
| 06:57.14 | twobitsprite | Azar: oh, ok... I guess I'll never understand, and congratz on finding a job which is more worthwhile than the million other things I personally would enjoy doing with my time... |
| 06:57.31 | foolio | peterS, that's not really true. http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/19/2039251&tid=106 |
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| 06:57.53 | Azar | peterS: when I like what I do, I don't need to be paid. My boss just tried last week to excuse himself for not paying me more, and I told him there is no problem. As long as I can pay my bills, I don't pretend more |
| 06:58.01 | peterS | foolio: do not even presume to educate me about the dunc-tank business |
| 06:58.24 | foolio | peterS, i'm not presuming anything. simply that the release managers do get paid some |
| 06:58.41 | vigneswari | i want to make reflect my document in gnome yelp package. for that i ve to create a package for that document. how to do? |
| 06:58.45 | twobitsprite | peterS: dunc-tank? |
| 06:58.52 | peterS | foolio: no they don't. not by debian. they got paid a token amount for one month by an outside organization. one month's salary doesn't pay the bills for very long. |
| 06:59.11 | itchi | Azar: You look sooo 'right' :-p |
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| 06:59.17 | peterS | twobitsprite: an organization that tried an experiment of paying key debian people to do certain jobs for one month, to see whether that model of development would work in debian |
| 06:59.34 | foolio | peterS, that is true, it is by an outside organization. i dont think it particularly matters where the money comes from for your position, though. |
| 06:59.36 | Azar | well well, I guess the future DPL will take in consideration and find a way to end this stuff in some adequate way |
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| 06:59.49 | Azar | itchi: still in a valentine day mood? |
| 06:59.56 | peterS | foolio: it certainly does matter that it was a one-time experiment that only lasted one month for each paid position, though |
| 07:00.05 | Azar | pss is abrotman here? |
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| 07:00.06 | itchi | Azar: No no, just like some things you told ;-) |
| 07:00.14 | peterS | foolio: and there is no expectation that anyone will continue that model on a permanent basis |
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| 07:00.21 | Azar | itchi: maybe I don't have a personal life... |
| 07:00.26 | dondelelcaro | it's not like anything is stoping anyone here from actually doing almost the same work that an RM does |
| 07:00.42 | dondelelcaro | fix RC bugs, get them sponsored by a DD, get them uploaded. |
| 07:00.44 | Azar | who is RM? |
| 07:00.45 | itchi | Azar: yeah |
| 07:01.02 | itchi | Azar: Richard |
| 07:01.03 | peterS | Azar: there are a few RMs, the most visible one being steve langasek |
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| 07:01.57 | itchi | shit, release manager :-p |
| 07:01.59 | enouf | foolio: "i dont think it particularly matters where the money comes from for your position, though." <-- now that I have issue with personally .. you know how $$ influences direction/causes/key decisions about policy and what not .. look at openbsd's funding(Uni of PA? project) being pulled by the DOD, just for an off-the-cuff comment via hte creator about missiles |
| 07:02.05 | Azar | nothing wrong in financially helping some... but it damaged the social relations in the community |
| 07:02.30 | peterS | foolio: if some organisation decided that they _needed_ the security of knowing that debian would always release on time, in order to help set their own schedules or whatnot, they could hire a debian developer full-time to do release management tasks (as dondelelcaro notes, most of those tasks do not require special privileges). however, nobody has done so. the only funding was a 1-month special, so I don't count that. |
| 07:02.42 | enouf | my facts may be a little twisted there .. but you get the point |
| 07:02.47 | foolio | enouf, really? you have a problem with DOD funding? well, then, you must have a problem with the internet itself, my friend. it started off by as a DOD project |
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| 07:03.13 | enouf | foolio: that's not what i said, and you know it .. I used that as an Example! |
| 07:03.35 | foolio | enouf, an example that's totally irrelevant |
| 07:03.45 | enouf | foolio: need I explain how our USA Congreecritters get along with K Street people? |
| 07:03.54 | enouf | +ss -e :-) |
| 07:04.26 | foolio | Azar, i also wish that ubuntu hadnt been started and that instead funding was send directly to debian |
| 07:04.29 | twobitsprite | foolio: yeah, it might have started out that way, but equivocating support for the internet to support for the DOD is a blatante falacy... The Internet as we know it today is primarily privately funded |
| 07:04.59 | peterS | ICANNot believe that |
| 07:05.02 | enouf | foolio: if irrelevant, then no needd discussing further .. and you can happily go on living in your own little deluded bubble world .. have a nice life |
| 07:05.08 | foolio | heh |
| 07:05.17 | Azar | foolio: you won't believe but my opinion is that ubuntu has hidden advantages for Debian, that is how I feel |
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| 07:06.03 | twobitsprite | Azar: advantages _for_ debian? howso? |
| 07:06.06 | foolio | enouf, there's no need for insults. i've not insulted you or anyone else. it's just a difference of opinion, which is ok |
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| 07:07.00 | Azar | well for one thing, thanks to ubuntu's existance Debian does not have to be under pressure for releases and non-free software demands from the general public |
| 07:07.33 | Azar | thanks to ubuntu Debian will never become a windows-clone (like they do) |
| 07:07.42 | peterS | ubuntu also siphons off a lot of the kinds of users that are major support burdens for us (: |
| 07:07.47 | twobitsprite | Azar: I don't understand your logic... how was debian under this pressure to begin with? |
| 07:07.51 | Azar | yep |
| 07:07.56 | peterS | this is a job we formerly had to rely on mandrake for |
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| 07:08.15 | Azar | Debian stays free |
| 07:10.10 | enouf | foolio: I did not intend my comments as such .. apologies if they came out that way .. however |
| 07:10.56 | twobitsprite | also, as for finacial support for debian, I would be afraid that the person giving the money would want some control over the design, and in the case of the ubuntu guy choosing to support debian over rolling his own, he might want to turn debian into what ubuntu has become |
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| 07:11.30 | enouf | I you truly believe that "where" any funding for "anything" comes from matters not in decisions abuit said projects ..well my opinion is that there's some ignorance there .. heck we're ALL ignorant about some things .. Yes .. even I :-) |
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| 07:12.30 | foolio | enouf, true. i made the assumption that someone dumping money in Debian would like Debian to remain as is in most ways. |
| 07:12.46 | foolio | enouf, or else they'd be dumping money elsewhere |
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| 07:13.12 | enouf | trying to remain "humble" is a nice way to show others I don't mind being ignorant about certain things .. and then one can joke about it .. and then one learns ;-) |
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| 07:13.49 | enouf | foolio: think about the Drug dealer scenario ;-) |
| 07:14.07 | peterS | foolio: not a good assumption in general. dumping money into something in order to control it and turn it into something different is hardly a new trick |
| 07:14.09 | enouf | though that's a bit over-the-top type analogy |
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| 07:14.40 | peterS | it usually goes by the names 'hostile takeover' or 'crooked politics', depending on the approach |
| 07:15.00 | enouf | peterS: you always manage to explain things better than I .. :-P |
| 07:15.01 | rpc | he he |
| 07:15.54 | foolio | peterS, fair enough. i'll step aside. |
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| 07:17.00 | Azar | twobitsprite: financial support for Debian should come from people who "volunteer" money as well as the debian developers volunteer their time. |
| 07:17.11 | xerophyte | if you have screen windows within screen how can you deattach the inside screen [screen1 [screen2] ] i want to detattach the screen2? |
| 07:17.38 | peterS | xerophyte: ctrl-a a ctrl-d I suppose |
| 07:17.42 | itchi | xerophyte: ug, why are you working so? |
| 07:18.03 | peterS | not to be confused with ctrl-a ctrl-a ctrl-d, mind you |
| 07:18.26 | xerophyte | PeterS thx it works |
| 07:19.03 | Azar | from my personal experience, believe it or not, everytime I donate money with all my heart, brought me good luck |
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| 07:19.49 | itchi | Azar: You told it "with all my heart" |
| 07:19.58 | foolio | Azar, i'm a strong believer in karma |
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| 07:21.10 | Azar | itchi because I felt happy helping others , truly happy |
| 07:21.29 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, i still on the same point of what i told early :-) |
| 07:21.51 | enouf | that's where the word "community" (or commune) comes from .. means .. afaict ;-) |
| 07:22.00 | xerophyte | Azar, do you need my bank account number? |
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| 07:22.13 | Azar | xerophyte: haha |
| 07:22.25 | xerophyte | Azar, lack money, i could even get my weekly drug |
| 07:22.34 | hellop | NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else No it's not it's owned by me. |
| 07:22.44 | xerophyte | I mean i could not get my weekly brown sugar |
| 07:22.48 | rpc | hellop so give it the pass |
| 07:22.52 | itchi | hellop: Identify you then to the nickserv |
| 07:23.00 | enouf | hellop: /ms ghost <nick> try that |
| 07:23.08 | enouf | erm /ns I mean |
| 07:24.04 | enouf | xerophyte: the most widely used drug in all the world .. eh? |
| 07:24.27 | itchi | enouf: Is that beer? |
| 07:24.45 | enouf | sugar itchi .. according to many in that field |
| 07:24.45 | xerophyte | enouf, don't think so bad man .. its real sugar .. just brown color |
| 07:24.50 | hellop | rpc, itchi, I know, I'm just saying, it's an untrue statement. It should say, this nick has already been registered. |
| 07:24.58 | itchi | ... or some stuff of the neigborhood |
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| 07:26.00 | rpc | hellop the statement is correct... unless you identify you are not recognised as the owner |
| 07:26.04 | enouf | xerophyte: sugarcane ethanol is a good thing .. think clean abundant fuel :-) |
| 07:26.18 | rpc | hellop thus "someone else" is correct :) |
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| 07:26.26 | hellop | rpc, so you're saying, my nick is owned by someone else? |
| 07:26.38 | rpc | hellop it's you who is saying that it's your nick |
| 07:27.00 | rpc | hellop unless you can supply the pass and prove it.. you are not the person you are claiming to be |
| 07:27.18 | hellop | huh.. |
| 07:27.24 | rpc | hellop you might be... but nickserv doesn't simply recognise you |
| 07:27.38 | enouf | hellop: it says "someone else" .. that someone else might just be you |
| 07:27.40 | rpc | it will, when you supply the pass and only then |
| 07:27.48 | rpc | enouf good point |
| 07:27.58 | hellop | rpc, we'll I have already identified myself to nickserv, which explains why I'm in the asterisk channel. |
| 07:28.12 | peterS | enouf: I wonder if the "help help we're running out of oil" people and the "help help we're releasing way too much CO2 into the atmosphere people" ever talk to each other. I mean, if they're both right, the excess carbon we can release that isn't already active in the atmosphere/biosphere is limited and the problem is self-limiting (: |
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| 07:28.25 | hellop | So, the statment that the nick is owned by someone else is false. |
| 07:28.26 | rpc | lol peterS |
| 07:28.42 | enouf | hellop: someine may have somehow ghosted your nick or something, I'm not too knowledgeable on this matters though |
| 07:28.47 | enouf | s/this/these |
| 07:28.56 | rpc | hellop it couldn't say that once you did supply the pass |
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| 07:29.20 | rpc | hellop now it's yours and your are recognized by network |
| 07:29.21 | enouf | peterS: point ;-) |
| 07:29.27 | hellop | enouf, rpc, no that is the standard statement that this IRC server gives when U join with a registered nick. You should see it too. |
| 07:29.47 | enouf | U? |
| 07:29.54 | foolio | peterS, there's so much that doesnt make sense. for instance, you'd think that greenhouse gases that we release and trap heat would also reflect the sun's rays to begin with, thus limiting the amount of heat that makes it to earth to begin with. and how we explain the end of the ice age when humans werent releasing greenhouse gases |
| 07:30.04 | JarJarBinks | !U |
| 07:30.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:30.05 | rpc | hellop: Welcome to the freenode IRC Network rpc |
| 07:30.18 | hellop | I'm just saying, This nick has already been registered. If this is your nickname, please /msg nickserv etc... |
| 07:30.29 | enouf | baited, waited .. and satisified at long last ;-) |
| 07:30.31 | peterS | foolio: well _that_ part does make sense, because the sun's rays come down as EM radiation, which is not blocked in the same way |
| 07:30.31 | hellop | would make more sense |
| 07:30.48 | peterS | foolio: so what we need is a lot more ozone to keep out the EM, yes? |
| 07:31.19 | rpc | wtf is this lol? icmp_seq=409 ttl=50 time=17973.002 ms |
| 07:31.24 | peterS | everyone run their hair dryers all the time, generate ozone. it's for a good cause. |
| 07:31.31 | foolio | peterS, i say we just admit that we know shit and trust that nature will somehow take care of things ;) |
| 07:31.33 | enouf | erm .. in reference to the 'u' thingy only |
| 07:31.48 | rpc | one of my boxes seems down but i decided to wait and ping it to hell and back... out of the blue it started giving responses like this: icmp_seq=409 ttl=50 time=17973.002 ms |
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| 07:32.00 | rpc | what could this mean? |
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| 07:32.56 | enouf | Solar Flares (11yr cycle IINM) along with the Earth's Magnetic Poles (shifying/wandering) play a major role in the amt ofEM that gets through the upper atmosphere .. AFAIK |
| 07:33.07 | enouf | s/shifying/shifting |
| 07:33.20 | Azar | ok I admit I am paranoid in some situations but this guy I guess exceeds imagination: Zero Install http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/15/0724206 |
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| 07:34.33 | bella_ | http://live-cam.ifrance.com |
| 07:34.50 | enouf | Azar: can we have a brief synopsis please ;-) |
| 07:34.57 | itchi | bella_: Go away with your sex link! |
| 07:35.27 | enouf | heh .. itchi speak for yourself! |
| 07:35.27 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:35.27 | peterS | itchi: eh? spam? |
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| 07:35.27 | hellop | enouf: I currently have 2,100 Debian packages installed. Every time I update my computer, the authors of every one of these packages get to run a shell script of their choice as root on my machine |
| 07:35.27 | hark | come back with a better one |
| 07:35.27 | itchi | peterS: Try his sex link |
| 07:35.27 | hellop | synopsis |
| 07:35.40 | itchi | Just some Pr0n0 |
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| 07:35.58 | enouf | bye bye now ;-) |
| 07:36.02 | canine_kouji | hehe |
| 07:36.12 | Azar | "Leonard says, "I currently have 2,100 Debian packages installed. Every time I update my computer, the authors of every one of these packages get to run a shell script of their choice as root on my machine -- even the maintainers of documentation packages..." |
| 07:36.19 | hellop | heh |
| 07:36.22 | canine_kouji | hey... has anyone read the book, "Code Craft, The pactive o writing excellent code"? |
| 07:36.38 | foolio | pactive? wtf is pactive? |
| 07:36.50 | canine_kouji | *practice ;) |
| 07:37.03 | peterS | Azar: absolutely true. debian has a rather wide net of people who in a sense are absolutely trusted by millions of people. it's why we're so terribly conscientious about letting people have upload rights |
| 07:37.08 | hark | try the practice of writing first ;) |
| 07:37.18 | Azar | canine_kouji: no but I read the book "Code" which is excellent |
| 07:37.29 | canine_kouji | there is a section describing different coders, and a "guru" section.. there is a "what if you are one" section under each description.. the book tells me to step off my clud and get with the real world |
| 07:37.35 | enouf | Azar: hellop .. thanks ... hellop .. try and use quotations, so we know it's not you saying that ;-) |
| 07:37.56 | Azar | peterS: I would never untrust the Debian community. |
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| 07:38.09 | hellop | k sry |
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| 07:38.23 | enouf | hellop: no worries man |
| 07:38.29 | rpc | are there any known issues with bridging? like it causes network instability or connectivity issues? |
| 07:38.45 | canine_kouji | "The Guru" --section "what to do if you are one" Try to step off your cloud and live in the real world" |
| 07:39.02 | canine_kouji | geez, the author must really be a twit |
| 07:39.37 | Azar | peterS: but looking at it in the context that the guy comes from the windowsland, his fears might be explained.. |
| 07:40.22 | peterS | Azar: you have to admit, there are on the order of 1000 people with direct upload rights to ftp.debian.org. any one of them (or a hacked account belonging to any one of them) could root your box any time you 'apt-get upgrade'. it is something to consider. |
| 07:40.27 | hellop | Azar, that level of paranoia might be warranted if you were storing a lot of confidential data... |
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| 07:41.48 | Azar | the guy is nuts, complains about security but wants to be able to run every kind of app he wants picking from any OS he wants. |
| 07:42.25 | hellop | Azar, OTOH, I don't see how a box could get hacked if the only listening service was a secure web service that you created yourself. |
| 07:42.49 | peterS | Azar: well he lets users install things without being root. so he apparently assumes that the risk of someone trojaning a user account (and then escalating to root by some other means) is significantly different from the ability to get root directly |
| 07:43.03 | peterS | and it _is_ different |
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| 07:45.34 | hellop | azar, yeah why care about security if you have 2100 packages installed.. I would install LRP, use encrypted filesytem, encrypted database, and a webservice over |
| 07:45.38 | litage | if you have a zombie process, will the first character of the "STAT" column *always* be "Z"? |
| 07:45.46 | hellop | SSL |
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| 07:48.21 | Azar | I have the feeling that Zero Install (on Debian) is itself a security threat and contradicts everything he claims to have fear of.. |
| 07:48.45 | litage | Azar: "Zero Install"? |
| 07:49.08 | Azar | litage: the article , I posted the link above |
| 07:49.36 | itchi | litage: Just before that sex link :-p |
| 07:49.56 | litage | hah |
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| 07:51.30 | Azar | I see myself, 196 year old going boink online and downloading all crazy links with games and "utilities" back when I was using windows.. |
| 07:51.55 | rpc | hmm... kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out <---what could this mean? got plenty of those in messages and that's always ending up in box hanging or becoming irresponsible, i need to reset every few hours :( |
| 07:53.12 | enouf | Azar: yes ...many times, it's the "unintended consequences" that come back around, to bite ya in the arse |
| 07:53.45 | enouf | Azar: though I'm not any kind of security zulu ;-P |
| 07:53.59 | itchi | rpc: Is that related to the package watchdog ? |
| 07:54.01 | peterS | rpc: probably means your network driver, or hardware, is suboptimal |
| 07:54.17 | rpc | itchi hm not sure to be honest |
| 07:54.19 | enouf | rpc: maybe that's why someone was pressing SysRQ at one time ;-) |
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| 07:54.26 | peterS | rpc: so like what driver and network chip are you using? |
| 07:54.26 | hellop | rpc, NIC going bad? |
| 07:54.31 | rpc | peterS i have an ethernet bridge in there |
| 07:54.38 | rpc | if that changes something... |
| 07:54.50 | itchi | !info watchdog |
| 07:54.50 | peterS | possibly - I don't have much experience with the linux bridge infrastructure |
| 07:55.07 | peterS | itchi: this has nothing to do with that watchdog, I think |
| 07:55.09 | rpc | peterS the chip is r8169 |
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| 07:55.40 | rpc | enouf he he |
| 07:55.41 | peterS | I haven't heard anything particularly good or bad about the r8169s. realtek isn't known for high quality, of course, but their gigabit offerings aren't the same as the wretched 8029 and 8139 series |
| 07:55.49 | itchi | peterS: I'm looking to the package info, sudently remember his reboot trouble, what i see back in that package description |
| 07:56.22 | rpc | in fact reboot is the only option... then it's back to normal for sometime... |
| 07:56.37 | rpc | i also read up that simple ifdown/ifup combo would help |
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| 07:57.26 | rpc | i'm suspecting that it might have to do with the promisc mode of eth0 |
| 07:57.43 | rpc | and the bridge i built in there... |
| 07:57.57 | Azar | Sid users rejoice! X.Org community releases X11R7.2 |
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| 07:58.18 | enouf | oh boy .. /me all of a sudden has an irresistable urge for Pot Roast (I can almost smell it) .. bah .. it's late here now .. gotta wait :-( |
| 07:58.46 | enouf | Azar: indeed .. one maintainer was here last night .. letting us know ;-) |
| 07:59.10 | Azar | wow really? my loss.. |
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| 08:00.24 | enouf | Azar: nah .. think about all the thousands that weren't logged then .. also, we're missing other info (news/updates) right now! .. just we don;t know which ones O.o |
| 08:00.37 | peterS | Azar: why would sid users rejoice? is it in sid? |
| 08:01.23 | peterS | Azar: maybe we're supposed to rejoice because once again, despite impressive efforts by the xorg debian maintainers, etch will release with an out-of-date xorg? |
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| 08:04.07 | Azar | peterS: because I believe in Sid one can get any package and compile it? |
| 08:04.21 | peterS | Azar: same is true of sarge, surely |
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| 08:04.54 | Azar | out-of-date xorg? |
| 08:05.17 | peterS | no, ability to compile one's own software |
| 08:05.53 | peterS | people who truly get excited about new software just because it has a higher version number than what they already have should probably be running gentoo or slackware anyway though |
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| 08:07.23 | Azar | yea, lots run after the latest, the newest stuff |
| 08:07.57 | Azar | unlike many I like to have and use stuff that was tested, fixed and runs stable |
| 08:08.06 | Azar | hardware and software alike |
| 08:08.25 | peterS | now it doesn't particularly bother _me_ that etch will ship with (upstream minus one) major release of something. but I know the xorg guys did work very hard to get xorg 7.1 into etch and those version-chasing users would be more pleased if that effort could have paid off in terms of being "up to date" at release time |
| 08:08.45 | Guerin | any ping response from rimuhosting.com? |
| 08:08.52 | Guerin | or feayn.org, for that matter? |
| 08:08.53 | Azar | I have two other PCs that I venture with and try other things, when my time allows me |
| 08:09.03 | peterS | Guerin: no answer from here |
| 08:09.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.12 | Guerin | to either? |
| 08:09.46 | peterS | Azar: fortunately, with xorg 7.0, video drivers are split into their own tiny packages, so if there's any super-popular hardware that isn't supported by driver foo, an update to just that driver can be shipped with very little fuss - no need to wait for xorg n+1 |
| 08:10.00 | peterS | Guerin: same - no response from feayn.org either |
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| 08:10.08 | Guerin | peterS: cool, cheers. |
| 08:10.09 | Azar | peterS: what they did know, and maybe won't read is that the new xorg is more about bugs fixes and higher ability to run compiz and other stuff |
| 08:10.12 | peterS | they seem to be on the same subnet so no big surprise |
| 08:10.16 | Guerin | i'd submit a support ticket, but ... heh |
| 08:10.26 | Guerin | yes, they're hosted in the same datacentre |
| 08:11.20 | peterS | Guerin: I can host your site on my home adsl, I guarantee 90.0% uptime (: |
| 08:11.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:11.34 | Guerin | i can guarantee better than that myself :) |
| 08:11.43 | peterS | I probably achieve closer to 99.5%, but I haven't measured it |
| 08:11.47 | Azar | no matter how harder the chase, hardware will allways come out before new releases, and no big deal, their firmware and drivers, the newest the buggiest |
| 08:12.13 | Azar | Guerin: can I put my pics on your hostsite? |
| 08:12.18 | Azar | :) |
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| 08:12.34 | Azar | can I link songs there? |
| 08:12.39 | Guerin | Azar: OMGNOES |
| 08:12.46 | Guerin | because it's downLOL |
| 08:12.49 | peterS | Azar: still, it's a big step forward. back in the bad old days, if xfree86 4.2.1 didn't support your video chip you had to wait for the ponderous slowness of the xfree86 4.3.0 release and the xfree86 4.3.0 debian packaging (even the delay between upstream and debian was over a year!) |
| 08:12.51 | Azar | so I can email all my friends with a song signature |
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| 08:13.46 | peterS | now it's just a matter of checking out a new cvs copy of the i810 driver or the matrox driver or whatever, rebuild, test, upload to sid, poof |
| 08:13.53 | Azar | peterS: yep it is much better now, the big issue this year was sata and the 64bit stuff |
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| 08:15.11 | peterS | actually the 'poof' at the end is optional |
| 08:15.26 | Azar | :) |
| 08:15.40 | peterS | though, as they say, the poof of the pudding is in the eating |
| 08:16.13 | Azar | I remember my hard works with woody.. newbie at linux, totally green, I fell in the habit of installing over and over.. |
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| 08:16.25 | frenchninja | the poof of the pudding? |
| 08:16.33 | peterS | frenchninja: the correct expression is 'proof of the pudding' |
| 08:16.37 | frenchninja | lol |
| 08:16.45 | Azar | hehe I was afraid of X back then, two and half years I lingered in cli |
| 08:16.54 | peterS | frenchninja: paraphrase: "you cannot tell if something worked correctly without actually tasting the result" |
| 08:17.13 | frenchninja | ahh |
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| 08:17.22 | Azar | amazingly enough I ventured with sid for a while |
| 08:18.00 | peterS | Azar: now if you used sid back before woody, that would be pretty impressive. back when sid didn't mean unstable, it meant a non-release hardware architecture, like hurd-i386 |
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| 08:18.27 | peterS | sid became a synonym for unstable some time after the potato release, I _think_. could have been between slink and potatol |
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| 08:18.40 | Azar | peterS: no, I stood a while with woody, then upgraded to sid just out of curiosity |
| 08:19.17 | jenocin | any reason sarge would take like 30 mins to detect hds in the install |
| 08:19.35 | peterS | jenocin: that's pretty odd - but it succeeds at the end of the 30 minutes? or..? |
| 08:19.51 | jenocin | still waiting for it to partition |
| 08:19.59 | Azar | hmm not nice |
| 08:20.04 | Azar | sata hd? |
| 08:20.06 | peterS | random orson scott card quote: "The music of Andrew Lloyd Webber is playing in all the elevators in hell." I now return you to your scheduled #debian |
| 08:20.22 | Azar | haha |
| 08:20.24 | jenocin | a8n-deluxe board... 2 sata drives and 2 more on the raid controller |
| 08:20.39 | Azar | need sarge with 2.6.18 then |
| 08:20.53 | Azar | !sarge with 2.6.18 kernel |
| 08:20.56 | Azar | ? |
| 08:20.57 | jenocin | Azar: just grabbed the newest one from the website... not sure what version it was |
| 08:21.01 | Azar | forgot the spell |
| 08:21.03 | peterS | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:21.03 | dpkg | well, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 08:21.18 | Azar | last link jenocin |
| 08:21.28 | peterS | jenocin: might we suggest etch instead (debian 4.0 not yet released). it is close enough to a release that I think most people probably want to be using it by now. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:21.46 | jenocin | can xen 3 go on it in dom0? |
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| 08:22.04 | peterS | I think etch fully supports xen 3. I don't use xen myself so I'm not certain |
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| 08:22.43 | jenocin | i'll check out etch.. was just kinda weird that it detects eventually |
| 08:23.01 | peterS | jenocin: etch has the "linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686" package - I don't know if that means xen 3 or what |
| 08:23.22 | peterS | and if so whether it works for dom0 or domU or both |
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| 08:23.35 | jenocin | i'll do some research... just trying to find a good host for xen... besides suse |
| 08:23.36 | Azar | I did not liked the Sarge Installer. I am waiting for the Etch installer CD to see how it goes. |
| 08:23.55 | peterS | Azar: the etch installer is just like the sarge installer but with more features and a bit more automation |
| 08:24.09 | Azar | I got so used to the Woody way of installing... |
| 08:24.11 | peterS | and translated into more languages |
| 08:24.23 | Azar | I flunked at partitioning... not used with a gui installer |
| 08:24.29 | peterS | Azar: boot the sarge (or etch) installer in expert mode and it looks kinda sorta like the woody (and previous) installer |
| 08:24.47 | Azar | aha!!! thanks peterS |
| 08:25.29 | peterS | Azar: it's still a rewrite from the ground up, so it's not _just_ like the woody installer. but the design and the questions it asks are reminiscent. |
| 08:26.25 | Azar | see that what I was talking about yesterday: see people coming and wanting to install and use Sarge but they got sata drives. Now the only way is to get the sarge with a 2.6.18 kernels. |
| 08:26.37 | Azar | On an article I read yesterday rumor has it |
| 08:27.01 | jenocin | hehe yeah haven't tried using sata as a main drive yet, but my main pc became a secondary |
| 08:27.04 | jenocin | \ |
| 08:27.05 | Azar | that Etch could have an upgrade kernel like 9 months after release and I think this is a good idea |
| 08:27.30 | peterS | Azar: the rumor is true. the debian kernel team are planning to have a newer kernel ready to go for an etch point release several months later |
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| 08:28.05 | peterS | the problem of outdated kernels causing install difficulties is well known and finally we have a kernel team willing and able to do something about it |
| 08:28.22 | Azar | that's so cool |
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| 08:29.12 | peterS | of course, my preferred solution is, you know, I'm still using a via 8237 motherboard with an athlon xp (: I never have problems with official debian kernels supporting my hardware (: |
| 08:29.28 | Azar | me too |
| 08:29.31 | peterS | (yes, the mobo has sata which isn't _properly_ supported by sarge. but I don't have sata drives!) |
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| 08:29.55 | jenocin | my new mobo only had one ide controller for the cd drives, ide is on its way out |
| 08:30.05 | Azar | all my PCs are using via chipsets, amd xp athlons |
| 08:30.23 | peterS | jenocin: yeah, for good reason, sata is so obviously superior, its only downside is that legacy ide drives are still a bit cheaper |
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| 08:30.36 | Azar | a good PC is a PC that can run any OS, any distro at any time |
| 08:30.42 | jenocin | peterS: in this area they are about the same |
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| 08:31.13 | jenocin | azar: think a good pc is a machine that can handle the task at hand |
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| 08:31.20 | peterS | jenocin: a few months back I saw IDE disks on sale for US$59 for 250 GB, so I bought a pair of them for my main box - raid1 - but they're still IDE not SATA so I still am not in the modern world |
| 08:31.31 | DocPlatypus | forgive me if this is too random to just throw in, but I was in a discussion online recently where someone was discussing "PC vs. Mac" and it was more appropriately titled "Windows vs. MacOS" ... |
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| 08:31.48 | peterS | DocPlatypus: right.. |
| 08:32.06 | Azar | hehe, last year I bought a PC as gift for a friend. It had "sata capabilities" but I asked for an IDE drive. Got the Sarge installer and popped the CD in: it never even boot from the CD |
| 08:32.07 | DocPlatypus | do you know how people refer to a PC that's had the OS replaced if they intend "PC" to imply "running Windows" (and of course we all know it doesn't) |
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| 08:32.27 | peterS | or WinNT vs. OS X, in this day and age. NT isn't anything like legacy Windows and OS X isn't anything like legacy Mac OS |
| 08:32.40 | DocPlatypus | oh on my friend's new amd64 desktop I didn't bother installing sarge |
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| 08:32.46 | DocPlatypus | went straight for testing |
| 08:32.53 | DocPlatypus | or etch, I guess, more properly |
| 08:33.07 | peterS | DocPlatypus: good choice. I've been recommending etch for at least a couple months now, I think it's good enough for most people to use |
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| 08:33.37 | Azar | well it was fun because then I used the Woody CD installer :) and guess what ? Good Old Woody installed! |
| 08:33.39 | peterS | DocPlatypus: as for what to call a peecee that isn't windows, I usually call it a "server" (: |
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| 08:34.03 | DocPlatypus | indeed |
| 08:34.17 | Azar | ofcourse it gave me a warning but it installed on a new PC with SATA enabled in BIOS |
| 08:34.18 | jenocin | all thats left of mac is the gui |
| 08:34.32 | DocPlatypus | but let's assume it's not what most people would call a server. like my Debian GNU/Linux box here, came to us with Windows 98 on it, that lasted only as long as it took to drive across town to get to a DSL connection |
| 08:34.39 | Azar | so I took note and disabled SATA in BIOS then upgraded to SArge |
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| 08:35.08 | jenocin | azar: just thought of something on the new board.... the the bios says the sata's are ide unless u change it |
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| 08:35.41 | bellemerlord | Hello, is it possible to use network-manager with nm-applet wothout the gnome-keyring-manager? i'm tired of the secod password-check after every login |
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| 08:35.59 | Azar | well if you use an IDE with SATA enabled on BIOS gonna be a bit hard... |
| 08:36.01 | bellemerlord | wothout=without |
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| 08:36.22 | dimir | Moin |
| 08:36.31 | Azar | good night honorables.. |
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| 08:39.21 | factor | does anyone know how I can check the current memory bandwidth usage? |
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| 08:40.30 | Syph0n | factor: top |
| 08:40.36 | peterS | factor: I don't think you can. but you can benchmark total memory bandwidth - try the 'lmbench' suite, in the non-free section |
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| 08:40.47 | peterS | Syph0n: memory bandwidth in top? I don't think so |
| 08:40.58 | factor | cool thanks |
| 08:41.04 | Syph0n | ah bandwidth, my bad |
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| 08:41.09 | dondelelcaro | it's been a long time since I've concerned myself with the bandwidth of memory... |
| 08:41.10 | factor | yup bw |
| 08:41.18 | Syph0n | still early here :) |
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| 08:41.42 | factor | apt-gettting lmbench |
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| 08:41.58 | factor | ln -s apt-get apt-getting |
| 08:41.58 | peterS | Syph0n: perhaps you can run the lmbench memory bw test on an idle system and then on a fully-loaded system and sort of estimate your usage from the difference |
| 08:42.05 | peterS | factor: ^^^^ |
| 08:42.19 | factor | will see |
| 08:42.52 | peterS | it won't be an accurate assessment because you can't really tell the kernel to _only_ give lmbench the _extra_ memory bandwidth |
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| 08:42.54 | Syph0n | peterS: factor wants to know, not me :) |
| 08:43.28 | factor | I just need something to give me a red light |
| 08:43.37 | peterS | indeed the kernel can't control the cache controller, particularly on i386 systems (it has a bit more control on risc platforms where the TLB is handled in software) |
| 08:43.38 | factor | does not have to be precise |
| 08:44.11 | vigneswari | i want to make reflect my document in gnome yelp package. for that i ve to create a package for that document. how to do? |
| 08:44.32 | peterS | I still remember my shock when I found out that on some CPUs, TLB entries are handled entirely by software. that just seemed so weird to me. |
| 08:44.38 | factor | does anyone know of a deb prog for making nice Makefile. I am lazy |
| 08:44.41 | factor | like a wizard |
| 08:44.57 | enouf | bad word to say in here |
| 08:45.08 | enouf | ooops .. two bad words |
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| 08:45.22 | peterS | factor: well there's "nice" and there's "horribly complex but suitable for the needs of a portable program that already wants to use autoconf". in the latter category we have automake. |
| 08:45.31 | factor | :D |
| 08:45.39 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 08:46.02 | factor | lazy and auto make have not played nice. |
| 08:46.03 | peterS | factor: also there's "horribly complex and people also hate it 'cause it's ugly in concept as well as in execution" and in that category we have imake / xmkmf from the xutils-dev package |
| 08:46.09 | enouf | !greet anapivirtua |
| 08:46.10 | dpkg | Salutations, anapivirtua |
| 08:46.28 | factor | k |
| 08:47.19 | peterS | factor: writing a simple makefile really is simple though. once you've got a handle on the basic syntax, it's just a matter of deciding what features your makefile needs, and typing them out almost as fast as you can think of them |
| 08:47.40 | factor | dho |
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| 08:48.17 | factor | it would be cool to make a script to generate one though |
| 08:48.18 | peterS | i.e., for a simple project, I'd find it a lot easier to produce a from-scratch makefile than to try to figure out automake |
| 08:48.25 | factor | yup |
| 08:48.35 | factor | autotickoff |
| 08:48.39 | enouf | factor: you want a little daemon/applet/widget maybe that monitors cou, mem, temps and such? |
| 08:48.46 | enouf | er s/cou/cpu |
| 08:48.56 | peterS | especially if I consider myself free to ignore the needs of autoconf and assume everyone has GNU make so I can use GNU make features |
| 08:49.22 | factor | threaded multi proc enviroment need to know if I am hitting a membandwidth issue |
| 08:49.24 | enouf | factor: look at conky .. works even in Vim so I hear .. conky.sf.net .. apt-cache show conky |
| 08:49.27 | peterS | then even makefiles that do arbitrary interesting things are pretty easy to write (since I've had enough experience with the syntax) |
| 08:49.33 | factor | k |
| 08:50.25 | factor | well wizards make a good inrto to making a makefile. training wheels if you will |
| 08:50.53 | factor | then when you see what it creates you learn form that. |
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| 08:58.28 | factor | does gcc have multiproc compile capabilites |
| 08:58.33 | peterS | enouf: I'm guessing conky is just like the other 999 system load meter dock applets in existence, and as such, it will have everything to do with 'df' and 'free' and 'cat /proc/loadavg' and nothing to do with memory bandwidth, which is what he asked about |
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| 08:58.45 | factor | nope |
| 08:58.49 | peterS | factor: do you mean, can gcc parallelize itself? or do you mean, can it generate parallel code? |
| 09:00.09 | peterS | factor: gcc is single-threaded, but once you have a makefile, what you can do is run 'make -j2' (or -j5 or whatever) and 'make' will run multiple jobs in parallel, whenever dependencies allow this. so you get several gcc jobs going at once and it's just as effective |
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| 09:00.45 | factor | looks like openMP has been inserted into gcc4.1 or something , but just to take advantage of multiple procs |
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| 09:01.06 | factor | not the make file gcc compile opts |
| 09:01.13 | peterS | what is openMP? |
| 09:01.23 | factor | open multiple processor compiler |
| 09:01.55 | factor | GOMP was a gcc implentation |
| 09:02.03 | factor | but looks like it may be in 4.1 |
| 09:02.12 | peterS | it's in gcc 4.2 I see, I don't think it's in 4.1 |
| 09:02.18 | factor | k |
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| 09:02.39 | factor | humm I just have 4.1 right now |
| 09:02.51 | factor | I think I changed the link for a kernel compile |
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| 09:03.14 | factor | nope 4.1 is the largest I have |
| 09:03.15 | enouf | peterS: oh .. ok, so we're talking about measuring in the way o/cers do using windows tools like CPU-Z and such .. not aware yet of any *nix tools like that, but i'm sure something can be made (if it doesn't exist already) |
| 09:03.17 | peterS | I seriously don't understand the benefit of a parallel compiler. if you think your build will take more than about 5 seconds, you've already got multiple source files, why not just compile them all in parallel with make -j? |
| 09:03.51 | peterS | enouf: I already pointed him to lmbench which measures total memory bandwidth. but he wants a _meter_ to see his current memory bandwidth _usage_, and that's not easy (or probably even possible) to figure |
| 09:03.54 | factor | not compile the actual machine code generated |
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| 09:04.22 | peterS | factor: oh - that's why we have pthread and mpi and pvm though, no? |
| 09:04.42 | Guerin | what he wants is a random-but-seemingly-meaningful number generator |
| 09:04.46 | factor | pthreads not taking advantage of multipe procs is what I was wanting to check |
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| 09:05.08 | peterS | why would pthreads not take advantage of multiple processors? |
| 09:05.17 | factor | dunno |
| 09:05.21 | peterS | that's one of two main reasons to use it |
| 09:05.25 | factor | that is what I was wanting to check |
| 09:05.30 | cydork | peterS: na openmp is very easy to implement than mpi or pvm. but they are for very different purpose. |
| 09:05.35 | factor | like memory bandwidth |
| 09:06.10 | enouf | peterS: hrm .. perhpas something akin to czr's tools (ex; output) http://koltsoff.com/pub/meminfo/itchy.txt |
| 09:06.15 | peterS | factor: well, 'ps' will list individual threads as separate processes. if they are all CPU-bound, 'top' or 'uptime' will show your system load approach 200% or 300% or 800% (depending on number of CPUs) |
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| 09:06.30 | factor | k |
| 09:06.33 | enouf | there's also http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
| 09:07.18 | peterS | enouf: getting number of page faults is a start at measuring memory bandwidth, I suppose |
| 09:07.31 | peterS | ('minflt' and 'majflt') |
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| 09:08.14 | enouf | here's another http://www.berthels.co.uk/exmap/ linked from czr's ures page |
| 09:08.55 | enouf | that's enough speculation from me though .. for now ;-) |
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| 09:15.26 | py | hello |
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| 09:17.05 | py | I just installed a debiabn system which I customized to fill my needs. Now I want to clone the hardrive (including MBR for grub etc), because I need to put on use on several identical systems. Partimage only performs partition backup, not full disk. What is available around to create an image of the system? |
| 09:18.04 | peterS | py: 'cp /dev/hda /dev/hdc' |
| 09:18.14 | peterS | py: if it's exactly the same size hard disk, that will work |
| 09:18.26 | hatter | py: mondoarchive works good |
| 09:18.32 | hatter | if its not sata |
| 09:18.41 | factor | ok off to sleep |
| 09:18.44 | factor | thanks all |
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| 09:19.10 | peterS | even if it's sata. of course I assume you'll substitute the _actual_ device names for your two disks, I didn't mean to imply they would necessarily be hda and hdc. |
| 09:19.21 | py | peterS: well, at the moment it is, but I would like to create an image (as a file) to be kept for future use |
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| 09:19.30 | peterS | but 'cp' will work as well for whole disk copies of sata disks as for IDE or USB or ieee1394 disks |
| 09:19.33 | AWOSLappy | Hello. |
| 09:19.44 | AWOSLappy | KDE apps do not use certain fonts on my system but GTK-based apps will. |
| 09:19.48 | peterS | py: cp /dev/hda /var/tmp/hda.img |
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| 09:19.55 | peterS | py: or better yet, gzip -9 < /dev/hda > /var/tmp/hda.img |
| 09:20.00 | AWOSLappy | It looks just like Sans Serif. on stderr I see "couldn't open fontconfigs chosen font with Xft!!!" |
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| 09:20.06 | peterS | py: always assuming /var/tmp isn't on hda, or the situation gets a bit muddy |
| 09:20.09 | AWOSLappy | But yet OOo and other GTK apps work with it. |
| 09:20.11 | hatter | peterS: when i mentioned sata i was speaking of mondo, you can still get it to work with sata, just easier with pata |
| 09:20.20 | peterS | hatter: ahhh |
| 09:20.44 | py | peterS: wouldn't that also copy all the free block from the fs, and thus creating a huge file? |
| 09:20.59 | hatter | mondo creates iso's |
| 09:21.18 | peterS | py: well you said you need to keep the MBR and stuff intact. if all you care about is the filesystem contents, use tar |
| 09:21.48 | AWOSLappy | TH fonts used to work in December but now they don't. I don't see any settings that I would have changed...and I checked the aptitude logs and I have not receieved any updated to the relevant packages. |
| 09:21.51 | AWOSLappy | s/TH/The/ |
| 09:22.14 | py | peterS: I do need to keep the MBR and such... but it should be possible not to save free blocks, for the data partitions |
| 09:22.16 | peterS | py: anyway, if you do use 'cp' or 'gzip' or 'gzip < /dev/hda | ssh example.com "cat > backup.img.gz"' or whatever, you probably first want to do 'cp /dev/zero /foo' and then when it runs out of space, rm /foo. that will zero out all the unused parts of your filesystem so they compress better |
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| 09:22.32 | AWOSLappy | Do you need any further information? |
| 09:22.45 | AWOSLappy | KWord, KolourPaint and Krita are apps that I have tried. |
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| 09:25.09 | scanf | ok what gives |
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| 09:25.33 | AWOSLappy | scanf: are you talking to me? |
| 09:25.40 | peterS | scanf: CS 101 called, they want your function back |
| 09:25.48 | AWOSLappy | peterS hahaha :D |
| 09:26.01 | scanf | why is SMB over samba like 20x faster and more reliable for large file transfer than SCP (using winSCP client) |
| 09:26.16 | AWOSLappy | scanf: SMB uses larger chunks, IIRC. |
| 09:26.21 | Eclipser | winscp algorithm sucks |
| 09:26.24 | AWOSLappy | WinSCP isn't very fast. |
| 09:26.33 | scanf | winscp sucks rocks |
| 09:26.36 | AWOSLappy | I've used it, it seemed slower than a native *nix SCP client. |
| 09:26.40 | Eclipser | it uses putty which basically caps to 10Mbps |
| 09:26.44 | buu | scp involves encryption.. |
| 09:26.54 | hellop | try copying many small files with winscp, its great |
| 09:26.56 | Eclipser | AWOSLappy, it is.. |
| 09:26.57 | peterS | it probably uses the sftp protocol, which is not all that efficient. to say nothing of the overhead of encrypting and decrypting the traffic |
| 09:27.03 | AWOSLappy | Eclipser: no! pscp seems fast. |
| 09:27.09 | peterS | if you can tell winscp to use the scp protocol instead of the sftp protocol, that will help some |
| 09:27.09 | Eclipser | AWOSLappy, it isn't :) |
| 09:27.10 | AWOSLappy | peterS: IIRC it does. |
| 09:27.29 | AWOSLappy | Eclipser yeah...let's everybody convert all their boxes to Linux and we won't have these problems :P |
| 09:27.30 | scanf | I only use the SCP over SSH protocol |
| 09:27.44 | Eclipser | AWOSLappy, :( |
| 09:27.46 | scanf | SFTP isn't open on my debian boxes |
| 09:27.55 | scanf | only SSH ,P |
| 09:27.58 | peterS | scanf: for faster encryption tell it to use the 'arcfour' algorithm. I don't think that's probably your bottleneck, but it's worth a shot |
| 09:27.58 | AWOSLappy | Eclipser what's wrong with Linux? okay fine we can have FreeBSD too. :D |
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| 09:28.06 | peterS | scanf: uh, sftp _uses_ ssh |
| 09:28.17 | AWOSLappy | hahaha |
| 09:28.19 | peterS | scanf: how can you say it "isn't open"? it uses the same port (default, port 22) |
| 09:28.36 | Eclipser | I think sftp support can be disabled from the sshd though |
| 09:28.38 | Eclipser | iirc |
| 09:28.42 | scanf | but you need an sftp service, right? |
| 09:28.43 | AWOSLappy | yeah, I think that's what he means |
| 09:28.52 | peterS | Eclipser: it can, but if that's what he meant he wouldn't have talked about "open ports" |
| 09:28.56 | AWOSLappy | scanf no...provided with sshd. |
| 09:29.00 | Eclipser | peterS, true |
| 09:29.08 | peterS | scanf: the sftp service is an option you can enable/disable in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 09:29.22 | c00lfon | True. ;) |
| 09:29.23 | c00lfon | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 09:29.28 | AWOSLappy | wow. channel went dead when I asked my question. should I ask again? |
| 09:29.29 | c00lfon | Just hash to disable. |
| 09:29.49 | peterS | AWOSLappy: I can't answer KDE questions, I don't use KDE. I do use scp, sftp and ssh. |
| 09:29.57 | AWOSLappy | *sigh* |
| 09:30.09 | AWOSLappy | should I just use Windows again? is that what you are suggesting? |
| 09:30.10 | canine_kouji | j/k :) |
| 09:30.19 | AWOSLappy | canine_kouji wow, they still have that? |
| 09:30.20 | peterS | AWOSLappy: yes, so long as you also use WinSCP |
| 09:30.20 | AWOSLappy | oh |
| 09:30.21 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 09:30.28 | AWOSLappy | peterS haha |
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| 09:30.48 | hatter | winSCP is slow, use tunnelier instead |
| 09:30.54 | AWOSLappy | canine_kouji they still have that available in FreeBSD's latest release...I use it on my Pentium I every now and again :D |
| 09:31.10 | AWOSLappy | it's so confusing. |
| 09:31.18 | AWOSLappy | I probably shouldn't even BE here. |
| 09:31.20 | peterS | /nick creat |
| 09:31.28 | AWOSLappy | #kubuntu sent me to #ubuntu sent me to #KDE sent me here |
| 09:31.33 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.58 | AWOSLappy | so I suppose you wouldn't even ANSWER questions about Kubuntu... |
| 09:32.05 | peterS | he should /nick scp_anf |
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| 09:32.20 | enouf | ask peterS mentioned, if you need to save specific data blocks, and ther locations (boot sectors and partition tables , lilo, MBR, etc) you need a block copy .. if you want just te filesystem and data, use tar .. and/or just cp the data partitions .. sfdisk -d is a very handy feature for maintaining(exporting/importing) the existing partition table from one disk to another (or as a backup) |
| 09:32.24 | AWOSLappy | peterS hehe |
| 09:32.25 | scanf | peterS, all, well I am on Debian Sarge stable, and nothing in /etc/ssh says anything about SFTP |
| 09:32.42 | AWOSLappy | bye all. |
| 09:32.45 | AWOSLappy | :-( |
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| 09:33.04 | Guerin | scanf: why should it? |
| 09:33.10 | peterS | scanf: interesting - I wonder when that option was added - I could have sworn it was in sarge. you do have a /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, yes? and it doesn't mention sftp? |
| 09:33.33 | scanf | well, anyways... |
| 09:33.53 | enouf | ADHD wins again .. so be it .. it was a winluser anyways |
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| 09:34.17 | fantomas_ | Hi. Samba question. Is [homes] share has special meaning by its name? I wonder how this works... |
| 09:34.21 | fantomas_ | There is no path specification, but somehow, samba maps it to home dir of logged in user |
| 09:34.31 | peterS | scanf: so uh. tell winscp to use scp instead of sftp, if it has the option. tell it to use arcfour instead of its default cipher list, if it has the option. those are two obvious speedups. tell it to use compression, for better use of network bandwidth (at the expense of more CPU time) - this may or may not end up being a good tradeoff. |
| 09:34.56 | peterS | fantomas_: yes it is special. it looks up your home directory and shares it as though you had a [your_username] section |
| 09:35.21 | fantomas_ | peterS: thanks. |
| 09:35.27 | peterS | fantomas_: [printers] and [global] are special too. |
| 09:35.29 | enouf | doh .. py .. see above ;-) .. correction s/ask peterS /as peterS |
| 09:35.59 | peterS | fantomas_: for the gory details 'man smb.conf' - very long, but quite informative, manpage |
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| 09:36.43 | fantomas_ | peterS: I skimmed through their HowTo but found nothing :) But forgot about man :) |
| 09:37.11 | hatter | scanf: winscp can do either sftp or scp |
| 09:37.19 | peterS | fantomas_: in Debian, most config files have manpages. the smb.conf manpage already existed but in some packages the manpage for the config file has to be written by debian people. so 'man foo.conf' is generally a useful thing to know about |
| 09:37.23 | py | enouf: juste read your comment, thanks |
| 09:37.43 | fantomas_ | peterS: yes, I noticed that |
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| 09:38.23 | scanf | peterS, hatter, all, I might have an older version. I can't find any winscp options for arcfour encryption and compression |
| 09:38.41 | scanf | not saying that it isn't there |
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| 09:38.58 | scanf | just not obvious to me ;) |
| 09:39.06 | hatter | scanf: i found winscp to be slow, after googling it is apparently a common problem, i switched to tunnelier |
| 09:39.10 | peterS | scanf: well, I have no idea if winscp gives you those options. the ssh protocol has those options, but that doesn't mean every program that uses ssh gives _you_ the options |
| 09:39.13 | fantomas_ | peterS: actually, I'm gonna remove [homes] share and replace it with `logon home' which loocks much more configurable |
| 09:39.14 | hatter | no arcfour |
| 09:39.26 | hatter | in winscp |
| 09:39.40 | haggz | peterS: Im amazed by how well documented Debian is, "apropos foo" almost always finds everything I need to know and more |
| 09:39.53 | scanf | ok |
| 09:40.01 | scanf | I think I know what I need to know |
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| 09:40.19 | peterS | haggz: when a program or significant config file doesn't have a manpage we consider it a bug. of course we don't always _fix_ those bugs (by writing manpages) but we at least acknowledge that they _should_ be fixed. |
| 09:40.26 | scanf | peterS, hatter, all, thanks again |
| 09:40.48 | peterS | /nick gets # live dangerously |
| 09:40.52 | |Lupin| | Hello, guys. Is there a friendly text-mode interfaceto CD writers, please ? |
| 09:40.57 | hatter | np |
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| 09:41.30 | peterS | |Lupin|: the interface I use is plain old wodim, as in 'wodim foo.iso'. actually I give it a few more options but you don't _have_ to do so |
| 09:42.29 | Guerin | hm, what happened to cdw? |
| 09:42.29 | Guerin | istr it being quite good |
| 09:42.29 | peterS | really I usually only give it the options -v -eject, and the latter is purely for fun |
| 09:43.01 | |Lupin| | peterS: I'm looking for a program which would be as clever as graphical front-ends, but in text mode... |
| 09:43.31 | hatter | |Lupin|: as clever ? what do you want it to do ? |
| 09:43.32 | peterS | |Lupin|: oh you mean allowing you to browse a filesystem and add files to the iso-9660 image and check/uncheck options for how to format the filesystem and what modes to burn it in? |
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| 09:43.42 | peterS | |Lupin|: I don't know of a text-mode program that does all of that, sorry |
| 09:44.12 | peterS | too bad cursed gtk never got anywhere (: |
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| 09:44.38 | peterS | (a curses-based backend for gtk's widget rendering bits) |
| 09:44.45 | |Lupin| | Yes for instance... |
| 09:44.59 | marius123 | hi can i send a message to all my windows clients on the network? Maybe through "net send" or something? |
| 09:45.29 | peterS | marius123: use 'smbclient -M' as an equivalent to windows net send |
| 09:45.38 | marius123 | thanks |
| 09:46.12 | peterS | don't know why it's part of smbclient, the Windows Messenger service it uses is not really connected to SMB at all, it's a whole different protocol that happens to be built on NetBIOS |
| 09:46.25 | hatter | marius123: but it requires all your windows clients to have messenger spam port open |
| 09:46.36 | peterS | but then I suppose most people don't know the difference between SMB and NetBIOS anyway so maybe it's all for the best |
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| 09:46.48 | hatter | peterS: and won't sp2 block it ? |
| 09:47.04 | peterS | hatter: it isn't a separate port, it's UDP 137 and TCP 139 just like the rest of NetBIOS |
| 09:47.20 | hatter | isn't it 1023 and 1024 ? |
| 09:47.21 | peterS | hatter: not so much a matter of blocking it as just not running a windows messenger endpoint |
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| 09:47.45 | peterS | I have no idea about any windows messenger thing running on ports like 1023 and 1024 |
| 09:47.58 | enouf | |Lupin|: apt-cache show gcdw |
| 09:48.00 | peterS | and as someone who _has_ written a windows messenger client in the distant past, you'd think I would have heard |
| 09:48.12 | hatter | hmmm, maybe i am thinking of msn messenger |
| 09:48.31 | enouf | |Lupin|: apt-cache search cd curses shows some other possible options |
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| 09:49.15 | peterS | hatter: endpoints in NetBIOS are kinda like open TCP ports, but in TCP terms you talk to all of them on TCP 139 and the NetBIOS system dispatches messages to whomever they're for |
| 09:49.29 | |Lupin| | bye everybody, thanks |
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| 09:50.13 | hatter | peterS: ok, so the standard thing of disabling the messenger service makes this unavailable ? |
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| 09:50.52 | peterS | hatter: yeah just like not running a mail server suddenly makes TCP port 25 unavailable. because nothing is listening on it. same theory with windows messenger - if it doesn't advertise the appropriate netbios endpoint, you can't send messages to that endpoitn |
| 09:51.37 | peterS | or, like, if you do send messages to it, nothing happens (except you get back an error) |
| 09:51.52 | hatter | peterS: but this only affects this message sending business ? |
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| 09:53.07 | peterS | hatter: netbios is a transport protocol not unlike TCP and DNS put together. (the name lookup and the connection are all intertwined). if you aren't listening on a given netbios endpoint, messages destined for that endpoint have nowhere to go, nobody to listen to them and take action like popping windows up on someone's monitor |
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| 09:55.09 | hatter | peterS: gotcha. |
| 09:55.17 | peterS | opening a netbios connection to the "hatter" computer, "windows messenger" service, is kinda like opening a TCP connection to the "ha.t.t.er" IP address, port 588. if nothing is listening on port 588, the OS sends back a reset. if nothing is listening on "hatter" endpoint "windows messenger", same thing happens, conceptually |
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| 09:56.43 | peterS | the funky thing about NetBIOS is that _any_ computer on the network can claim _any_ NetBIOS endpoint - name doesn't matter - so my computer, whose name is "wire", could advertise two Messenger endpoints, one named "wire" and the other named "peterS". this is, in fact, what Windows computers do when you log into them |
| 09:57.08 | peterS | they actually do advertise "Username <win messenger>" as an endpoint, as well as "Computer-Name <win messenger>" |
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| 09:58.04 | peterS | that is why you can "net send peterS" as well as "net send wire" on Windows. i.e., you can address your popup message to either the computer name or the logged-in username. because both endpoints are advertised equally. |
| 09:58.29 | hatter | and advertised to the entire subnet ? |
| 09:58.41 | peterS | hatter: yep, the whole 'network neighborhood' as it were |
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| 09:59.13 | peterS | and yes - if you're logged on to more than one machine, there's more than one endpoint with the exact same name. then client software that does 'net send peterS' gets to decide whether to send to one instance, or all of them, or what |
| 10:00.11 | peterS | in fact, the easiest way to see who is logged on to what computers on a windows network is to check the Windows Messenger endpoints being advertised, and what IP numbers the correspond to, and what computers are at those IPs |
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| 10:00.27 | peterS | nmblookup will give you all that information, if you ask nicely |
| 10:00.48 | peterS | as will nbtstat.exe on windows |
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| 10:02.04 | peterS | windows messenger endpoints will be marked as type #03 or <03> depending on the software doing the displaying |
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| 10:02.50 | hatter | i have been under the misconception that all the port 1023 and 1024 activity on my firewall was from messenger spam |
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| 10:03.05 | peterS | as you can all probably tell by now, I'm kind of fond of netbios, despite its foibles and its total impracticality in the face of Internet-sized network topologies |
| 10:03.19 | hatter | hehe |
| 10:04.00 | hatter | thank god wins didn't rule the world |
| 10:04.10 | hatter | is what i have to say :) |
| 10:04.30 | peterS | it would be a rather small internet, indeed, if we had netbios _instead_ of, as opposed to _on top_ of, TCP |
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| 10:05.21 | hatter | thanks for the netbios lesson |
| 10:06.15 | peterS | netbios actually does have a one-level namespace that nobody ever got around to actually using. not workgroups/domains, it's called the "scope". almost a vlan-like thing (in that you can only see endpoints in the same "scope" (or in a scope that you specify) |
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| 10:06.38 | peterS | but one extra level of namespace wouldn't have saved it when you go beyond a few thousand machine names (: |
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| 10:07.29 | haggz | imo networking makes almost every other aspect of computing seem simple...I had to read 5 different books to find out enough information to correctly setup subnet masking + NAT |
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| 10:07.37 | peterS | heh |
| 10:07.54 | PDani | is there a command like "f" in vim, which finds forward not just in the current line, but in the whole document? |
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| 10:08.14 | petemc | PDani: / |
| 10:08.18 | peterS | PDani: I don't know what f does, but you search forward using / and n |
| 10:08.43 | hatter | is the messenger service still enabled by default ? |
| 10:08.56 | peterS | I have no idea. I'm fortunate enough not to have to run any flavor of Windows at home |
| 10:09.06 | hatter | phew, u r lucky |
| 10:09.12 | hatter | i wonder if vista has it enabled |
| 10:09.17 | hatter | i will check |
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| 10:09.26 | peterS | see for yourself, use 'nmblookup -A your.windows.ip.address' and see if there are any 03 records advertised |
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| 10:10.08 | peterS | 00 records are for SMB itself (file/print sharing). 1b, 1c, 1d, 1e records are related to netbios "browsing". |
| 10:10.10 | PDani | i mean, a command that i can use with other commands, like xfc (delete until the first occurance of 'c' character) |
| 10:10.46 | peterS | PDani: / |
| 10:10.54 | peterS | d/c<enter> |
| 10:11.04 | hatter | hmmm, nmblookup not working on this box |
| 10:11.30 | peterS | hatter: or nbtstat.exe from your windows box itself. I forget its command line syntax though, it's been a long time. |
| 10:12.12 | peterS | hmmm now I seem to remember <00> and <03> and <20> records and I can't for the life of me remember the use of the <20> record. I hope that one isn't windows messenger or I'm going senile |
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| 10:13.33 | peterS | (as you can tell by now from the pattern, those 2 digits are hex digits representing one byte. the 'type' byte is actually the 16th byte of the endpoint name, which is why netbios names can only run to 15 characters) |
| 10:13.36 | hatter | yep 03 is for net sendf |
| 10:13.52 | hatter | its not enabled on this xp box |
| 10:14.37 | peterS | *nod* |
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| 10:15.43 | hatter | 20 is server service |
| 10:16.02 | peterS | ahh |
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| 10:17.40 | Guerin | what would PROMPT_COMMAND='pwd>&7;kill -STOP $$' be? |
| 10:17.53 | hatter | peterS; got to go now. ciao :) |
| 10:18.13 | Guerin | looks like someone got a shell on my box |
| 10:18.13 | peterS | Guerin: we had someone ask that exact question here the other day. rootkit? |
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| 10:18.25 | Guerin | i shall check |
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| 10:18.56 | enouf | peterS I recall that too being asked |
| 10:19.28 | peterS | enouf: if it had been anyone but Guerin I would have assumed it was the same person who asked yesterday asking again now. but if it had been he, I would have remembered that. |
| 10:19.43 | enouf | and dat too ;-) |
| 10:20.12 | enouf | I almost thought he was asking for someone else |
| 10:20.27 | peterS | heh |
| 10:20.31 | Guerin | chkrootkit running clean |
| 10:21.11 | peterS | good, but chkrootkit can't be assumed to be up-to-date. we're living on internet hax0r time |
| 10:21.43 | Guerin | yesindeed, but it and rkhunter are the first ports of call |
| 10:21.56 | peterS | yeah |
| 10:23.07 | Guerin | ello, |
| 10:23.07 | Guerin | I think it's a typical output through "Midnight Commander" and no hack. |
| 10:23.11 | Guerin | I also use the mc and when I walk through my history such lines appears. |
| 10:23.25 | Guerin | from a mailing list archive |
| 10:23.39 | Guerin | i did indeed use mc to delete a bunch of shit in there |
| 10:23.55 | enouf | hrm .. Earlier, if you recall, I mentioned finding an "okay" written as stdout on an xterm session (konsole actually), after I had fired up KDE's "kcontrol" from same session .. hehe.. turns out the kio_slave must write that in my shell, since I just tried it again now.. and voila, there was the "okay" written again :-P |
| 10:24.01 | peterS | interesting. I wonder what purpose 'kill -STOP $$' would serve though. it would just make your shell hang |
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| 10:24.08 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:24.23 | Guerin | ok |
| 10:24.28 | Guerin | worrying about it tomorrow |
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| 10:24.52 | peterS | well Guerin I hope it really is as innocuous as that post suggests. even though I have no idea why mc would do that. |
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| 10:27.03 | enouf | I had thought the "okay" was somehow related to that trogg b0z0 trying to DCC Send everyone .. etc |
| 10:27.20 | haggz | speaking of security, what's a good way to monitor network connections with the least overhead? I was thinking about using cron to take a netstat snapshot every minute. |
| 10:27.44 | peterS | Guerin: aha, yes, mc does include that exact text buried in src/subshell.c. investigating now what it is supposed to do. |
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| 10:28.04 | enouf | heh |
| 10:28.20 | peterS | ha - it includes equivalent functionality for bash, zsh, and tcsh |
| 10:29.11 | peterS | I guess the kill -STOP is to suppress printing the prompt until mc has had a chance to read the 'pwd >&7'. then mc can 'kill -CONT' the shell and move on |
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| 10:29.54 | peterS | interesting, though, I wonder why mc feels a need to run a shell interactively. it goes to the trouble of setting up a pty and everything. this is very odd stuff. |
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| 10:52.46 | perlmonkey | Hi guys |
| 10:52.48 | perlmonkey | I |
| 10:52.59 | peterS | "twenty-three minutes / silence reigns on irc / yeah, tgif." - peterS |
| 10:53.39 | perlmonkey | I'm having a problem with reducing/resizing windows for certain apps on my laptop as the status bar? of the apps is often off screen, is there a key combo I can use to bring the window back to a normal size? |
| 10:53.47 | perlmonkey | hi PeterS |
| 10:53.59 | peterS | perlBRAIN |
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| 10:54.24 | petemc | if you hold alt you should be able to click any part of the window to drag it |
| 10:54.43 | perlmonkey | petemc: ahhh thanks very much :) |
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| 10:56.48 | xk | has anyone got flash to output audio at all? It's been borked ever since I upgraded to etch. |
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| 10:57.08 | eMish___ | when i pkg has "pending installation" status, how do I make it reset this status ? |
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| 10:57.57 | haggz | xk: my desktop etch machine has audio in flash, but it was a native install, not a dist-upgrade, and it required basically zero tweaking. |
| 10:58.21 | PDani | why doesn't work the session restore for me in vim? i set the viminfo to '1000,f1 in .vimrc, started vim, created some buffers, quited, started again, and i got a fresh empty bufferlist |
| 10:58.26 | xk | haggz: what version of flash? |
| 10:59.03 | haggz | xk: v9, gimme a sec and Ill check the exact version |
| 10:59.56 | xk | Does iceweasel do anything in regards to alsa/dmix? i can see a mention or two in the script... but can't see it actually does anything besides setting a variable. |
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| 11:01.00 | haggz | xk: 9,0,31,0 according to the adobe website, which is most recent also. |
| 11:01.06 | xk | hmm... same as mine. |
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| 11:03.26 | haggz | xk: have you checked to make certain alsa-base and alsa-utils are fully upgraded, and rerun alsaconf, if that is appropriate for your setup? |
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| 11:04.57 | Neeesat25 | Hello |
| 11:05.14 | xNinja | hello...i am using debian testing...how to install the compile stuff gcc/make...? |
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| 11:05.32 | cydork | !b-e xNinja |
| 11:05.32 | dpkg | xNinja: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 11:05.56 | xNinja | amee2k: Couldn't find package build-essential |
| 11:06.10 | xNinja | ops |
| 11:06.24 | xk | haggz: hm... both newest version. |
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| 11:06.41 | xk | haggz: dmix for mplayer and xmms work fine. |
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| 11:06.50 | xNinja | cyberdo i am using the test version i think i need to add repositories |
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| 11:07.53 | haggz | xk: hm how did you install flash? I installed via point-click in my browser, not using a repository. |
| 11:08.17 | xk | haggz: firefox and flash both installed the oldschool way (ie: not debian package) |
| 11:08.49 | xk | ALSA lib conf.c:3968:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such device |
| 11:08.49 | xk | ALSA lib pcm.c:2143:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM dmix |
| 11:08.49 | xk | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1357:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
| 11:09.00 | cydork | xNinja: just change sarge to etch -> /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 11:09.01 | haggz | xk: hmm it sounds as if the only diff I see without knowing hardware is that you are coming from a Sarge dist-upgrade? |
| 11:09.03 | xk | that's the output I get when audio fails. |
| 11:09.14 | xk | haggz: correct. |
| 11:09.19 | Gnea | xk: did you run alsaconf? |
| 11:09.35 | Gnea | xk: and do you have any other sound apps running? |
| 11:09.39 | xk | yeah - just ran it... am I supposed to reboot? |
| 11:09.45 | Gnea | nah |
| 11:09.52 | xk | Gnea: no other sound apps running. xmms/mplayer consistently work, audio wise. |
| 11:10.04 | Gnea | xk: do they work at the same time? |
| 11:10.14 | xk | hang, let me try |
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| 11:10.18 | Gnea | k |
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| 11:11.41 | xk | verified to work at the same time. |
| 11:11.57 | xk | what's funny is that one particular website, audio via flash works. |
| 11:11.58 | Gnea | ok good, you have a full duplex soundcard then |
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| 11:12.15 | xk | but with youtube and other related sites, fail. |
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| 11:12.34 | haggz | xk: that makes it sound more like a flash bug as it relates to your config than anything in your system |
| 11:12.34 | Gnea | well the good news is is that you don't have to worry about setting dmix up |
| 11:13.02 | Gnea | xk: what kernel version are you running and is the system using udev? |
| 11:13.15 | xk | i always compile my own kernels. |
| 11:13.17 | xk | 2.6.19 |
| 11:13.25 | Gnea | and udev? |
| 11:13.29 | xk | no udec. |
| 11:13.32 | xk | udev rather. |
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| 11:13.59 | Gnea | any particular reason why not? |
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| 11:14.49 | xk | don't know how to set it up or what's involved. |
| 11:14.57 | Gnea | what branch are you running? |
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| 11:15.05 | xk | branch?! |
| 11:15.09 | Gnea | !branch |
| 11:15.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, branch is what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
| 11:15.16 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:15.17 | xk | etch. |
| 11:15.21 | Gnea | ok |
| 11:15.24 | Gnea | udev is simple |
| 11:15.32 | Gnea | apt-get install udev <-- installs and sets it all up for you |
| 11:15.48 | Gnea | basically instead of having a static /dev, it makes /dev dynamic |
| 11:16.14 | Gnea | so say for instance you have no scsi devices on your system, then /dev/sd* won't exist until you, say, insert a usb pendrive |
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| 11:16.34 | Gnea | when you remove the pendrive, the devices get removed because the system has detected that the device has been removed |
| 11:16.50 | xk | yeah i understand. just never had a reason to move to udev. |
| 11:16.52 | Gnea | the goal here with alsa is to see if you have a working /dev/dsp |
| 11:17.08 | Gnea | it's pretty cool, makes debugging hardware issues easier |
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| 11:17.42 | crazy_penguin | Hello! |
| 11:17.43 | xk | i think it's due flash being poorly coded. |
| 11:17.54 | Gnea | that's probably part of it |
| 11:17.58 | xk | but so weird... the beta version worked fine before upgrading. |
| 11:18.07 | Gnea | but for arguments sake, lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss |
| 11:18.10 | Gnea | any results? |
| 11:18.14 | xk | no |
| 11:18.19 | Gnea | ok |
| 11:18.24 | Gnea | try modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 11:18.33 | Gnea | that will make /dev/dsp active |
| 11:18.57 | Gnea | so backward compatibility with oss-dependent programs will work |
| 11:19.00 | Gnea | that might solve it |
| 11:19.18 | xk | on an unrelated topic: what other things do I need to do after an upgrade to etch |
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| 11:19.33 | Gnea | NFC, i only run sarge and sid |
| 11:19.46 | xk | Miesco: do I need to mount /dev/shm any more? |
| 11:19.48 | xk | er, ie |
| 11:19.51 | Gnea | usually i have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed to tell me what's going on during upgrades |
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| 11:20.55 | Gnea | it's mounted on my sid systems |
| 11:21.02 | xk | hm... "alsasound" init script used any more? |
| 11:21.10 | xk | my install is like... ancient ;) |
| 11:21.11 | zimnyx | Do you know the package that lets two persons connecting from two different hosts work on the same SSH session? |
| 11:21.35 | xk | zimnyx: ttysnoop as login for sshd? |
| 11:21.48 | Gnea | xk: nice thing about udev is that it incorporates automatic hardware detection :) |
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| 11:22.14 | Gnea | zimnyx: yeah, the ssh package |
| 11:22.22 | Gnea | zimnyx: oh wait - screen |
| 11:22.37 | xk | can two people bind to a screen session? |
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| 11:22.43 | Gnea | yup |
| 11:22.49 | xk | hmm... yeah... that's another way. |
| 11:22.59 | xk | need to use the same user, eh? |
| 11:23.24 | Gnea | screen -x |
| 11:23.30 | Gnea | yup |
| 11:23.44 | xk | otherwise screen will bitch that you do not own '.screen' ;) |
| 11:23.59 | xk | ok, any other requirements for udev? |
| 11:24.14 | Gnea | a recent 2.6 kernel, that's it |
| 11:24.20 | Gnea | 2.6.19 will do fine |
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| 11:25.37 | xk | sigh @ new afterstep... it's heaps worse than the old version. |
| 11:25.43 | streuner_ | xk: did you read the release-notes? |
| 11:26.40 | xk | streuner_: no ;) |
| 11:26.45 | xk | looks daunting. |
| 11:26.59 | streuner_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ |
| 11:27.08 | streuner_ | that's for x86 |
| 11:27.13 | xk | ahhh, debian release notes, not udev release notes |
| 11:27.28 | streuner_ | xk: udev works like a charm here |
| 11:27.45 | streuner_ | xk: since months, since i use udev |
| 11:27.57 | streuner_ | xk: unstable, of course |
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| 11:29.04 | Coke | Hello. What's the name of the Python 2.4 documentation package? My Etch claims that python2.4-doc and python-doc have no installation candidates. |
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| 11:29.30 | thartman_ | folks, I have an issue configuring locale on debian edge. http://rafb.net/p/k115y321.html . any quick fix? |
| 11:29.39 | xk | ooh, different error message now |
| 11:29.40 | xk | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:914:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 11:29.58 | xk | hmm. |
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| 11:30.33 | xk | ok. how should I setup ~/.asoundrc? |
| 11:31.38 | xk | hmm... flash still going crazy opening timer and pcmC0D0p until 1024 times. |
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| 11:32.35 | streuner_ | xk: what's that good for (asoundrc)? |
| 11:32.46 | xk | bleh. |
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| 11:32.55 | streuner_ | ;-) |
| 11:33.10 | streuner_ | most of us just run 'alsaconf', done. |
| 11:33.18 | hark | thartman_: dpkg-reconfigure locales. logout and login |
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| 11:34.02 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals asoundrc |
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| 11:34.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'asoundrc' by value returned no results. |
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| 11:34.43 | xk | i love proprietary software |
| 11:34.46 | xk | substandard junk |
| 11:35.35 | xk | hmm... let me try one thing |
| 11:37.50 | xk | hmm... bleh.. flash is just poorly written |
| 11:38.12 | streuner_ | HOW do you know? :-) |
| 11:38.31 | xk | because even macromedia admitted that "tried" to accomodate all the linux distros whne writing it |
| 11:38.43 | xk | it's like they were asking for compassion |
| 11:39.03 | xk | it's on their website |
| 11:39.42 | xk | hm... no close() on /dev/snd/* calls reported by strace |
| 11:39.45 | xk | they're all open() |
| 11:39.46 | peterS | xk: that really says more about how hard it is to try to ship portable binary-only software using C++ libraries without shipping copies of all the libraries in a self-contained bundle, than anything else |
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| 11:40.54 | thartman_ | hark: re locale prob, thanks. Unfortunately I did that, but still having problems. First screen, I select de_DE@euro ISO-8859-15 for which locale to generate. Second screen, "default locale for system env", I have two options, none or de, but whichever I choose it exists out with same error. |
| 11:42.10 | thartman_ | LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), . I tried exporting these vars to empty string, to sane vals like de_DE, but no luck. |
| 11:45.18 | xk | adobe's forum is totally useless. |
| 11:45.18 | zimnyx | xk: Gnea: thanks |
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| 11:50.42 | thartman_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:50.49 | thartman_ | (sorry, ignore) |
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| 12:01.30 | dingus9 | hey just installed a new debian kernel and the new one doesn't boot, it gets to point and resets, how can I figure out what is going on to fix it? |
| 12:01.35 | apalmieri | hi folks |
| 12:01.42 | apalmieri | what do i ned in order to install Debian, just the binary 1 CD? |
| 12:02.01 | sepski | apalmieri, or the netinstall cd + a internet connection |
| 12:02.07 | sepski | but the cd1 will do too |
| 12:02.11 | apalmieri | ok thanks yo |
| 12:02.32 | dingus9 | I prefer the net install since I always upgrade to testing |
| 12:02.44 | dingus9 | well not always |
| 12:02.47 | dingus9 | usually |
| 12:03.55 | dingus9 | ok my kernel restarts immediately after uncompressing the kernel |
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| 12:06.23 | sussudio | %do dpkg |
| 12:06.41 | mtoele | I'm confused about debian packaging |
| 12:07.04 | mtoele | can two different packages provide the same configuration file specified by conffiles ? |
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| 12:07.06 | sussudio | yeah. apt-get install is HARD. |
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| 12:07.46 | sussudio | mtoele: no. |
| 12:07.48 | mtoele | e.g. I have package foo and package foo-configuration |
| 12:08.03 | stefano | hello guys |
| 12:08.48 | dingus9 | mtoele: what exactly are your packages? |
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| 12:09.06 | mtoele | say I have package foo and package foo-configuration and both provide /etc/foo.conf |
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| 12:09.33 | mtoele | foo-configuration pre-depends on foo, and when it is installed it overwrites the default /etc/foo.conf |
| 12:09.42 | dingus9 | mtoele: oh hmm odd is the foo.conf different in both? |
| 12:10.07 | mtoele | obviously, one is providing the upstream default |
| 12:10.16 | mtoele | and the other is configured for my site/machine |
| 12:10.25 | dingus9 | mtoele: sound right |
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| 12:10.50 | mtoele | maybe both packages need to specify the /etc/foo.conf in conffiles |
| 12:10.51 | stefano | big troubles here: I accidentally unplugged the power cord from my laptop while aptitude was upgrading the system. The fs is in metadata journaling and, as you can imagine, it lost some of the files it was working on. Now...I cannot apt anything because it always says that some packages (libgd2-xpm,ssl-cert,libhttrack1,psfontmgr,libgksu2-0,libwpd8c2a,httrack) have exec-format errors on the post-installation scripts. |
| 12:10.52 | stefano | ...what could I do? |
| 12:11.05 | mtoele | currently the upstream package doesn't have a conffiles at all, but it does provide /etc/foo.conf |
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| 12:11.29 | Blackhold | hello |
| 12:11.37 | Blackhold | could some one help me about acl please? |
| 12:11.42 | xk | stefano: apt-get --reinstall install <list_of_packages> ? |
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| 12:12.37 | stefano | xk: no way...E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 12:12.53 | xk | hmmm |
| 12:13.08 | py | I have a small (840M) reiserfsv3 fs, and it has just ran out of inodes, despite being only 49% full. I suppose I will have to reformat the partirion, but how can I get it don with an higher number of inodes? |
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| 12:13.12 | xk | what happened before that? (/msg me the output) |
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| 12:20.15 | xk | stefano: run 'dpkg'. what happens? |
| 12:20.35 | dingus9 | anyone good with kernel boot debugging? |
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| 12:21.17 | xk | dingus9: try a different kernel? |
| 12:21.46 | apalmieri | through a net install can i specify a http_proxy + password? |
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| 12:22.29 | xk | apalmieri: http://user:pass@host:port/... but make sure the pass doesn't contain evil characters. |
| 12:22.33 | WEBHosting | i need to downoad debian.. help please... http://www.zoomcities.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3132 |
| 12:22.39 | xk | apalmieri: when it asks you for proxy. |
| 12:22.58 | dingus9 | xk I will. I will probably just compile one tomarrow I was just woundering what might be the cause its crashing at decompressing |
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| 12:23.30 | mtoele | I was mistaken, the upstream package did have a subpackage.conffiles |
| 12:23.31 | mtoele | grrrr |
| 12:23.47 | xk | dingus9: It's an official install CD? might be corrupted. or maybe hardware is faulty (I had an overclocked(not mine) system do exactly that) |
| 12:24.06 | mtoele | I fail to see why two different packages are not allowed to provide the same conffile |
| 12:24.22 | mtoele | configuration files are special, they are not binaries etc.. |
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| 12:24.42 | xk | WEBHosting: binary-1, or the netinstall cd is only needed. |
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| 12:25.26 | WEBHosting | thanks xk |
| 12:26.01 | xk | mtoele: hmm... I think I understand what you're getting at. |
| 12:26.48 | xk | but it's a bit unusual. |
| 12:27.25 | mtoele | xk: it's not unusual, it's just that I have more faith in installing a configuration file than using hack 'n patch debconf |
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| 12:28.54 | xk | well... what happens when you remove one package? will it remove the config file? ;) |
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| 12:30.03 | xk | i see it as too dodgy... two packages should not provide the same config file. |
| 12:30.25 | apalmieri | xk: thanks |
| 12:30.30 | apalmieri | im going to give netinstall a try |
| 12:30.41 | apalmieri | this HP Blade is fucked up and wont recognize my CD through the Virtual Media shit |
| 12:30.46 | apalmieri | im wasted. |
| 12:31.07 | xk | apalmieri: as long as your password doesn't have weird characters (eg: @), it should work. |
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| 12:31.35 | xk | I didn't try encoding the character... so that may be a way to bypass it? Just an obscure issue I managed to come across when using passworded proxy, heh. |
| 12:31.35 | apalmieri | xk: just characters it should work perfectly |
| 12:31.37 | mtoele | <xk> well... what happens when you remove one package? will it remove the config file? ;) <-- no, the original package loses ownership, if a new package overwrites and the file is only removed if the foo-configuration packge was removed AND it was not altered meanwhile |
| 12:31.41 | apalmieri | thanks |
| 12:31.51 | mtoele | xk: this is a very clear policy, nothing hard to it |
| 12:31.59 | Blackhold | anyone has worked with acl? |
| 12:32.03 | Blackhold | posix acl? |
| 12:32.11 | Blackhold | I'm having a little problem |
| 12:32.12 | mtoele | sorry for the bold text this is ksirc messing up |
| 12:32.20 | xk | mtoele: official debian package policy? |
| 12:32.53 | mtoele | xk: dunno, but this is imho a sane way to handle conffiles |
| 12:32.55 | xk | how can it be policy if dpkg doesn't even let you install a package that contains files that will overwrite existing files? |
| 12:33.30 | apalmieri | does anybody know if the flowscan package on debian is broken? |
| 12:33.38 | mtoele | xk: I'm just telling you, the current policy is inflexible and stubborn |
| 12:33.45 | xk | what you're thinking is too idealistic. one package owns one file, that's it, they don't share ownership. |
| 12:34.04 | mtoele | xk: agreed, but you're not reading what I say |
| 12:34.07 | apalmieri | any word on flowscan or cflowd marked as broken pkgs? |
| 12:34.32 | mtoele | xk: if two packages provide the same conffile, than the former package simply loses ownership if a new package is installed with the same conffile |
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| 12:34.34 | xk | mtoele: I do. but I see too many issues that can pop up, like the one I raised. The packaging system doesn't maintain who shares ownership of files. |
| 12:35.01 | mtoele | xk: no sharing |
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| 12:35.08 | mtoele | only 1 single package owns a file |
| 12:35.10 | xk | it's too complicated what you're asking for. |
| 12:35.16 | mtoele | it is not |
| 12:35.27 | mtoele | anyway nm |
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| 12:36.18 | _StefanS_ | hi there |
| 12:36.18 | xk | If the solution is too complex, you modify the problem instead ;) |
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| 12:41.11 | _StefanS_ | anyone have a suggestion of what hardware to buy if I want to run debian on a embedded (via eden, amd geode) platform ? |
| 12:41.39 | mtoele | xk: nm, debian packaging system is flawed. I already knew that... |
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| 12:43.36 | xk | _StefanS_: how do you intend to use it? |
| 12:44.05 | _StefanS_ | xk: as webserver(not primarily), mostly ftp/other downloads and testing |
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| 12:44.18 | _StefanS_ | xk: preferably fanless |
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| 12:44.40 | luddite | computers dont like people |
| 12:44.44 | luddite | hi all |
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| 12:44.51 | earthian | hello, please tell me what is faster/better : swap partitions on multiple disks OR swap files on multiple disks? |
| 12:45.15 | xk | _StefanS_: so that narrows it down: a fanless variant of the mini-atx boards. |
| 12:45.54 | luddite | my debian system is set to english as user and spanish as root - how do i change this? (i dont know spanish) |
| 12:46.10 | _StefanS_ | xk: yes, trouble is that I can't figure out what gives me the most performance of either Via or AMD Geode |
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| 12:46.16 | xk | _StefanS_: as long as it has enough ram, and you're not using 100% all the time, it should be ok. |
| 12:47.02 | _StefanS_ | xk: I prefer not to build one myself from the ground up, do you know of any good complete packages? |
| 12:47.02 | xk | _StefanS_: what are you willing to sacrifice a little bit: noise or performance? :) |
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| 12:47.31 | _StefanS_ | xk: A bit of noise is acceptable, if its worth it |
| 12:47.37 | litage | is there a way to find within a given directory all files with DOS-style EOLs? |
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| 12:47.50 | xk | _StefanS_: hmm.. I know in my country there is a linux supplier of one... but it's quite pricey. |
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| 12:48.21 | _StefanS_ | xk: if the quality is ok, then I guess it would be ok |
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| 12:49.16 | xk | hang, let me find the url of what they sell... maybe it will give you an idea. |
| 12:49.26 | _StefanS_ | xk: sweet thanks :D |
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| 12:51.28 | larsl | Can I check how long a version of a package has been in testing? |
| 12:51.36 | larsl | E.g. Bash >= 3? |
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| 12:53.06 | xk | _StefanS_: hmm... http://www.elx.com.au/cat/systems/thinclients .... the cases doesn't look that nice. |
| 12:53.20 | _StefanS_ | xk: I'll have a look ! |
| 12:54.25 | _StefanS_ | xk: you're right the cases are also a bit huge I think |
| 12:54.35 | _StefanS_ | xk: but it seems like VIA C7 is the way to go |
| 12:55.21 | _StefanS_ | xk: Thanks for the help dude :) |
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| 12:55.27 | Garda | rats |
| 12:55.32 | Garda | i hate rats |
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| 12:56.09 | xk | _StefanS_: heh. now that's small ;) |
| 12:56.40 | _StefanS_ | xk: why the heck would there be so many different C7's.. I can't figure out what to buy (looking at motherboards) |
| 12:57.07 | xk | yeah - there's heaps of variants. |
| 12:57.16 | _StefanS_ | xk: EN15000G or EX15000G or |
| 12:57.20 | xk | all depends on your requirements. eg: want legacy ports, want _minimal_ number of ports. |
| 12:57.35 | _StefanS_ | xk: argh.. I just want a headless thing, I dont have a monitor |
| 12:58.12 | xk | I had troubles thinking which one to get aswell... then I eventually gave up since none had two ethernet ports _and_ no legacy ports. |
| 12:59.05 | _StefanS_ | xk: try soekris |
| 12:59.50 | xk | heh. maybe a used/intel solo mac mini might be a solution? :) |
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| 13:00.21 | _StefanS_ | xk: theyre not fast but has 3 ethernet ports |
| 13:00.40 | luddite | anyone installed xgl? |
| 13:00.42 | _StefanS_ | xk: already had a mac mini, both powerpc and intel core duo... they are just crap |
| 13:01.11 | _StefanS_ | xk: well the latter was best, but still its wrapped in Apple trademarks.. I want an open box |
| 13:01.16 | xk | hehehe |
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| 13:02.13 | _StefanS_ | xk: ive got a diskstation d106e, but those f*cks only support smb protocol even though its based on debian.. now what the heck is wrong with these people. NFS should be there too |
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| 13:07.02 | mrStabby | Has anyone ever tried installing PHP5 on Debian Stable? |
| 13:07.30 | mrStabby | If someone has tried installing PHP5 on Debian Stable raise your hand! |
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| 13:08.14 | earthian | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2007916350208.gif <-- LOL |
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| 13:09.34 | earthian | :o |
| 13:09.40 | Daveman | ... |
| 13:10.09 | Daveman | MrStabby, tried and succeeded? |
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| 13:10.36 | mrStabby | Daveman awesome! |
| 13:10.39 | mrStabby | how did you do this? |
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| 13:11.05 | loca|host | wich ISO should i download to get use of netboot over tftp (dhcp) |
| 13:11.09 | Daveman | No, but many in #apache have :p |
| 13:11.15 | Daveman | if that's what you meant |
| 13:11.22 | Daveman | otherwise, were you just referring to the package? |
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| 13:11.44 | earthian | mrStabby, use backports at i think www.backports.org or so |
| 13:11.47 | earthian | !backport |
| 13:11.47 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 13:11.47 | apalmieri | how do i install the OpenSSH server from apt-get? |
| 13:12.01 | Daveman | :) |
| 13:12.09 | xk | apalmieri: apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 13:12.23 | earthian | !info ssh |
| 13:12.28 | earthian | !info sshd |
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| 13:12.38 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 13:12.59 | apalmieri | good |
| 13:13.00 | apalmieri | thanks |
| 13:13.04 | Daveman | netinstall? |
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| 13:18.06 | mrStabby | :F |
| 13:18.14 | mrStabby | everytime they give me that backport stuff |
| 13:18.19 | mrStabby | its not easy to use at all |
| 13:18.48 | earthian | does anybody know where i could find help regarding my upcoming HP-modified tyan s2895 board ... i am looking for a low noise opteron250-256 cooling solution |
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| 13:19.47 | earthian | mrStabby, i think there you can add backport thing in your apt and do simple upgrades or so... i am not sure. somebody smarter should talk instead me tho |
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| 13:20.33 | mrStabby | it says that i have to use somekind of pinning |
| 13:20.45 | mrStabby | and i know you can screw thing up badly by installing from backports |
| 13:20.51 | earthian | yep |
| 13:20.56 | earthian | !pin |
| 13:20.56 | dpkg | i guess pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 13:21.02 | earthian | !pinning |
| 13:21.03 | dpkg | apt-pinning is, like, read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 13:21.04 | earthian | :D |
| 13:21.09 | mrStabby | i need someone who actaully has done this |
| 13:21.22 | mrStabby | so i dont screw it up again |
| 13:21.29 | earthian | i remember had php5 mysql5 and apache2 on sarge ... |
| 13:21.36 | earthian | that was quite long ago. |
| 13:21.58 | mrStabby | you gotta install new MySQL and PHPMyAdmin |
| 13:22.01 | mrStabby | if you install PHP5 |
| 13:22.07 | mrStabby | and god knows what those want |
| 13:22.18 | mrStabby | and in the end it requires whole new system? :D |
| 13:22.23 | apalmieri | couldnt find package openssh-server |
| 13:22.25 | apalmieri | :( |
| 13:22.25 | rpc | yes |
| 13:22.29 | mrStabby | like "just update these 2000 packets" |
| 13:22.33 | mrStabby | from backports |
| 13:23.00 | rpc | just install Etch |
| 13:23.06 | earthian | mrStabby, i am not sure... you can make a vmware thing to expirement! |
| 13:23.08 | rpc | and be happy |
| 13:23.15 | rpc | or vbox |
| 13:23.27 | mrStabby | back to the original |
| 13:23.33 | mrStabby | If someone has tried installing PHP5 on Debian Stable raise your hand! |
| 13:23.49 | apalmieri | couldnt find package openssh-server |
| 13:23.56 | xk | apalmieri: hmm... sarge? |
| 13:24.15 | rpc | apalmieri apt-cache search ssh |
| 13:24.17 | xk | apalmieri: 'apt-get install ssh' if using sarge |
| 13:24.36 | mrStabby | whats sarge |
| 13:24.41 | rpc | stable |
| 13:24.45 | apalmieri | it only shows libssl |
| 13:24.50 | xk | sarge == stable == debian 3.1 |
| 13:24.53 | mrStabby | gosh ppl should start using real names for them |
| 13:24.56 | apalmieri | 3.1 R4 |
| 13:25.00 | earthian | !ssh etch |
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| 13:25.16 | earthian | oj |
| 13:25.20 | earthian | !info ssh etch |
| 13:25.27 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-8 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 13:25.36 | mrStabby | !info php5 |
| 13:25.50 | mrStabby | "in your dreams" |
| 13:25.50 | earthian | !info php5 sarge |
| 13:26.01 | earthian | !info php5 etch |
| 13:26.09 | mrStabby | whats an etch |
| 13:26.11 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 13:26.26 | earthian | etch is debian 4.0 the next stable |
| 13:26.32 | mrStabby | Unstable? |
| 13:26.34 | mrStabby | Testing? |
| 13:26.39 | earthian | kinda |
| 13:26.46 | mrStabby | i had Tersting couple times |
| 13:26.55 | mrStabby | but that thing always broke |
| 13:26.58 | earthian | it runs for over 30 days without a problem... i think its not that unstable after all :) |
| 13:27.07 | dr1v3r | can i get support in here for apache2 installed using apt? |
| 13:27.08 | mrStabby | it was like "Hello your apt is broken, please reinstall" |
| 13:27.08 | apalmieri | xk: this is 3.1 R4 |
| 13:27.12 | azeem | etch is at release-candidate level |
| 13:27.16 | rpc | etch != testing |
| 13:27.21 | azeem | mrStabby: eh, no |
| 13:27.23 | apalmieri | i guess its etch? |
| 13:27.26 | apalmieri | how do i find out? |
| 13:27.30 | mrStabby | azeem yeswai |
| 13:27.31 | azeem | mrStabby: it's "Hello your apt is broken, please fix it" |
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| 13:27.46 | mrStabby | azeem "fixing it" also known as reinstall |
| 13:27.57 | earthian | mrStabby, no |
| 13:27.59 | mrStabby | yes |
| 13:28.05 | apalmieri | how do i install the OpenSSH server on my Debian box? |
| 13:28.09 | apalmieri | apt-get install openssh-server aint working. |
| 13:28.15 | xk | apalmieri: apt-get install ssh |
| 13:28.25 | mrStabby | apalmieri then you apt-cache search ssh | grep server |
| 13:28.30 | xk | apalmieri: openssh-server only exists in etch onwards |
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| 13:29.33 | apalmieri | its comming |
| 13:29.42 | apalmieri | im fetching ssh through apt-get install ssh |
| 13:29.46 | apalmieri | no openssh for etch? |
| 13:29.50 | py | where can I change the size of the tmpfs on a debian etch system? |
| 13:29.59 | rpc | [14:24:18] <xk> apalmieri: 'apt-get install ssh' if using sarge |
| 13:30.04 | apalmieri | there we go, this is OpenSSH |
| 13:30.07 | apalmieri | thanks xk! |
| 13:30.12 | apalmieri | sorry about the vast lameness |
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| 13:30.51 | vlt | Hello. I'm using OpenVPN on Debain Sarge. For the third time this week I got an "Assertion failed at multi.c:1561 -> Exiting" error for one of my ovpn instances on the server. That's in the function multi_process_incoming_link(). Any idea? |
| 13:30.59 | apalmieri | thanks a lot |
| 13:31.21 | mrStabby | man i hate this console |
| 13:31.28 | mrStabby | its in some weird moonspeak language |
| 13:31.41 | apalmieri | fetching flowscan |
| 13:31.43 | mrStabby | has been for over year |
| 13:31.45 | apalmieri | Debian is indeed cool |
| 13:31.51 | apalmieri | its pkg management is nice |
| 13:31.56 | mrStabby | Debian is indeed in wrong language :-D |
| 13:32.19 | mrStabby | mine is half english half moonspeak hybrid |
| 13:33.20 | apalmieri | is it possible to apt-get apache + php? |
| 13:33.33 | mrStabby | you can apt-get install apache php |
| 13:33.46 | apalmieri | E: Couldn't find package php |
| 13:33.58 | mrStabby | well first you gotta search for right names |
| 13:34.04 | mrStabby | apt-cache search php |
| 13:34.16 | mrStabby | im actually performing the same search right now |
| 13:34.37 | mrStabby | libapache-mod-php5 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module) |
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| 13:34.41 | mrStabby | oh yes |
| 13:34.46 | mrStabby | thats the stuff ;) |
| 13:35.07 | apalmieri | apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php5 |
| 13:35.09 | apalmieri | that should be it right? |
| 13:35.20 | mrStabby | nowai thats for me |
| 13:35.38 | apalmieri | php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package) |
| 13:35.40 | apalmieri | thats for me :) |
| 13:35.42 | mrStabby | yes |
| 13:35.51 | apalmieri | netflow:/home/gdf# apt-get install apache php4 |
| 13:35.52 | apalmieri | that worked. |
| 13:36.43 | apalmieri | a quick question, how do i re-configure my network? |
| 13:36.44 | mrStabby | then you also may want libapache-mod-php4 |
| 13:36.45 | mrStabby | if you wanna use it with apache |
| 13:37.30 | mrStabby | oh noes there is no phpmyadmin for PHP5 |
| 13:37.40 | py | df -h shows this line: tmpfs 59M 22M 37M 37% /lib/init/rw; how and where can I change the size of this virtual filesystem? |
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| 13:37.58 | apalmieri | a quick question, how do i re-configure my network? |
| 13:38.05 | mrStabby | apalmieri what part? |
| 13:38.19 | apalmieri | IP/Netmask/GW |
| 13:38.20 | mrStabby | lots of stuff in networking |
| 13:39.10 | mrStabby | i forgot the filename |
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| 13:39.17 | mrStabby | was it /etc/interfaces |
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| 13:40.11 | mrStabby | theres lots of networking related files in /etc |
| 13:40.41 | mrStabby | now i want this moonspeak off! |
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| 13:41.29 | azeem | mrStabby: what kind of moonspeak are you talking about? |
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| 13:41.41 | mrStabby | well apt-get said me this: "Seuraavat ylimääräiset paketit on merkitty asennettaviksi:" |
| 13:41.41 | Wuffi600 | hi. |
| 13:41.54 | azeem | mtoele: how is that moonspeak? |
| 13:42.06 | mrStabby | well i cannot understand it |
| 13:42.06 | azeem | mtoele: eh, sorry |
| 13:42.10 | xk | lol |
| 13:42.12 | mrStabby | its some swedish or something |
| 13:42.20 | azeem | mrStabby: saying "moonspeak" doesn't help to get it fixed, you know |
| 13:42.28 | mrStabby | well i dont know what it is |
| 13:42.34 | azeem | I thought you were talking about random Unix commands and their output |
| 13:42.39 | Wuffi600 | is there a good tool to generate a xorg.conf (couldn't find xorgconf or xorgcfg on debian sid)? |
| 13:42.46 | mrStabby | i want it off!! |
| 13:42.56 | cydork | !drxx Wuffi600 |
| 13:42.56 | dpkg | Wuffi600: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 13:43.00 | mrStabby | i want to enjoy my console with real language |
| 13:43.02 | azeem | mrStabby: then start by pasting errors and not saying "foO" |
| 13:43.05 | azeem | you did now |
| 13:43.13 | azeem | mrStabby: what does "env | grep LANG" say? |
| 13:43.35 | Wuffi600 | cydork: xf86config to generate xorg.onf? |
| 13:43.40 | mrStabby | LANG=fi_FI@euro |
| 13:43.48 | azeem | mrStabby: right, finnish |
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| 13:43.59 | mrStabby | aka moonspeak |
| 13:44.05 | azeem | mrStabby: look, shutup |
| 13:44.10 | cydork | Wuffi600: nope.. use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:44.17 | azeem | I'm getting annoyed at you calling finnish "moonspeak" |
| 13:44.28 | mrStabby | well anyways i hate them and their language |
| 13:44.31 | mrStabby | i want them off my screen |
| 13:44.37 | mrStabby | >:( |
| 13:44.41 | Trewas | mrStabby: with your host&ircname someone might think you understand finnish ;) |
| 13:44.43 | azeem | mrStabby: good luck then, I won't help you with that kind of attitude |
| 13:45.53 | mrStabby | im mad because i've had that stupid language in my console for over year now |
| 13:45.53 | mrStabby | its seriosly starting to piss me off |
| 13:45.53 | azeem | mrStabby: try to articulate your problem properly next time |
| 13:45.53 | mrStabby | what have i ever done to them |
| 13:45.53 | mrStabby | and they give me this |
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| 13:45.54 | azeem | mrStabby: are you the admin of this box? |
| 13:45.56 | yassine | hello everyone! |
| 13:45.58 | mrStabby | yes |
| 13:46.03 | azeem | mrStabby: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:47.09 | dr1v3r | can i get support in here for apache2 installed using apt? |
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| 13:47.27 | mrStabby | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:47.27 | nino-nikowa-kru | bonjour |
| 13:47.29 | mrStabby | is that good? |
| 13:47.33 | yassine | i gets : Invalid command 'DavLockDB', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration even that i have enabled the dav_svn.conf and dav_lock.load |
| 13:47.38 | yassine | any ideas please!? |
| 13:47.49 | azeem | mrStabby: it's an english locale, I don't know whether it's good for you |
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| 13:48.21 | mrStabby | i want japanese |
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| 13:48.35 | azeem | mrStabby: then select it |
| 13:48.43 | mrStabby | can i have japanese symbols in my console? |
| 13:49.01 | mrStabby | you know like that Kanji stuff they write |
| 13:49.02 | azeem | mrStabby: you mean as opposed to in X11? |
| 13:49.17 | mrStabby | no X11 :F |
| 13:49.24 | azeem | so in X11? |
| 13:49.26 | mrStabby | just over SSH console |
| 13:49.32 | mrStabby | you know :F |
| 13:49.41 | azeem | that'd depend on your local terminal as well I guess |
| 13:49.44 | xk | ssh console? :o |
| 13:49.51 | mrStabby | ic |
| 13:49.53 | azeem | but I don't know much about Kanji display |
| 13:50.10 | mrStabby | so can i have different language and different keyboard language |
| 13:50.16 | loca|host | where can i download floppy disk debian installer ? |
| 13:51.03 | azeem | mrStabby: I assume UTF-8 would be able to display Kanji, given a proper terminal and font support, the system language is something different, do you want to have japanese error messages on the console? |
| 13:51.26 | mrStabby | is there an UTF8 font? |
| 13:51.27 | yassine | no one of you guys have a clue what could be the problem? |
| 13:51.35 | mrStabby | that supports every letter in UTF-8 |
| 13:51.36 | azeem | mrStabby: I don't know |
| 13:51.43 | mrStabby | i'd like one of those |
| 13:51.46 | azeem | mrStabby: try to research via google |
| 13:51.59 | Wuffi600 | cydork: thank you, worked perfectly. |
| 13:52.08 | azeem | yassine: what kind of server are you talking about anyway? |
| 13:52.20 | yassine | azeem, debian box |
| 13:52.21 | loca|host | any one ? |
| 13:52.22 | loca|host | where can i download floppy disk debian installer ? |
| 13:52.23 | yassine | apache |
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| 13:53.02 | apalmieri | no cuflow package for Debian etch? |
| 13:53.04 | yassine | azeem, i have i have dav.load -> ../mods-available/dav.load & dav_lock.load -> ../mods-available/dav_lock.load & dav_svn.load -> ../mods-available/dav_svn.load in my enabled modules and apache still claims (Invalid command 'DavLockDB', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration) |
| 13:53.20 | azeem | yassine: I don't know about apache, sorry |
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| 13:53.52 | loca|host | !floppy |
| 13:53.52 | dpkg | hmm... sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
| 13:54.11 | apalmieri | how do i install a .deb package? |
| 13:54.19 | azeem | apalmieri: via apt-get |
| 13:54.25 | apalmieri | I have the .deb |
| 13:54.27 | azeem | apalmieri: why do you have a single .deb? |
| 13:54.29 | larsl | apalmieri: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 13:54.38 | apalmieri | because flowscan-cuflow is not on the rep |
| 13:54.38 | mrStabby | this is hopeless |
| 13:54.47 | apalmieri | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/flowscan-cuflow |
| 13:54.49 | mrStabby | ITS HOPELESS |
| 13:54.52 | apalmieri | trying to get that but it aint on my rep |
| 13:54.55 | mrStabby | it always is the moonspeak |
| 13:55.00 | azeem | mrStabby: don't write in all caps |
| 13:55.05 | mrStabby | im furious |
| 13:55.14 | azeem | did you choose a proper locale, and logged out/in againĂź |
| 13:55.15 | larsl | apalmieri: Do you have unstable in your apt sources? |
| 13:55.17 | mrStabby | apt gave me two lines |
| 13:55.26 | xk | mrStabby: why are you "in finland" when you a) hate the language b) hate the people and probably c) hate the country? |
| 13:55.27 | apalmieri | larsl: no |
| 13:55.28 | mrStabby | another line is Finland another is real text |
| 13:55.42 | apalmieri | deb http://debian.logiclinux.com/debian/ stable main and deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main on my sources.list |
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| 13:55.55 | azeem | apalmieri: there's usually a reason why a package is only avaiable in unstable |
| 13:55.58 | larsl | apalmieri: Then you won't get any packages from unstable. |
| 13:56.04 | apalmieri | larsl: how do i add it? |
| 13:56.13 | azeem | don#t |
| 13:56.24 | azeem | apalmieri: why do you need that package? |
| 13:56.31 | mrStabby | xk me having that moonspeak language in my console doesn't place me at finland |
| 13:56.41 | apalmieri | to graph NetFlow data from a CISCO |
| 13:56.44 | apalmieri | through flowscan |
| 13:56.46 | azeem | mrStabby: what does "env | grep LANG" say now? |
| 13:56.46 | xk | mrStabby: so how come your hostname ends in .fi? |
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| 13:56.54 | mrStabby | i picked wrong language when i installed |
| 13:57.04 | mrStabby | LANGUAGE=fi_FI.ISO-8859-15@euro |
| 13:57.07 | gustav3d | heh, how can you hate finland ?. its sweden who sucks hard atm. having muhamed as the no1 name on children is no fun statistics. |
| 13:57.16 | azeem | mrStabby: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:57.17 | mrStabby | but lang is now en_US |
| 13:57.19 | larsl | gustav3d: Why? |
| 13:57.21 | apalmieri | how do i add the unstable? |
| 13:57.26 | azeem | mrStabby: did you logout? |
| 13:57.29 | sidjster | finland is sweet |
| 13:57.29 | mrStabby | yes |
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| 13:57.30 | larsl | gustav3d: And when did you make that up? |
| 13:57.31 | azeem | apalmieri: don't add it |
| 13:57.32 | gustav3d | larsl.... |
| 13:57.39 | apalmieri | azeem: i need that package. |
| 13:57.43 | sidjster | im finnish |
| 13:57.46 | mrStabby | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=fi_FI.ISO-8859-15@euro |
| 13:57.47 | azeem | apalmieri: you could upgrade to etch |
| 13:57.53 | azeem | mrStabby: unset LANGUAGE |
| 13:57.57 | apalmieri | azeem: how? |
| 13:58.04 | gustav3d | larsl: ah welcome to the reality wtf. on malmö hospital muhamed is the no1 name on borned children. |
| 13:58.07 | azeem | apalmieri: read the etch release notes |
| 13:58.09 | _Freedom0_ | !seen eisen |
| 13:58.09 | dpkg | eisen <~eisen@xdsl-81-173-145-112.netcologne.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 5h 37m 10s ago, saying: 'cool, I'll watch this bug and tell users to disable js until it's fixed :-)'. |
| 13:58.11 | mrStabby | azeem what do i replace it with? |
| 13:58.18 | azeem | mrStabby: nothing |
| 13:58.24 | mrStabby | you sure? |
| 13:58.36 | gustav3d | larsl: dude official statistics state taht 80% of all borned children is non swedes in sweden, go figure whats happening . |
| 13:58.37 | azeem | mrStabby: also, make sure LANGUAGE isn't mentioned in ~/.bash* or /etc/environment |
| 13:58.51 | larsl | gustav3d: Uhm... are you from Landskrona or something? |
| 13:58.52 | azeem | gustav3d: you're off topic |
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| 13:58.57 | mrStabby | Awesome! |
| 13:59.03 | apalmieri | dist-upgrade heh |
| 13:59.04 | gustav3d | larsl: no outside gbg. |
| 13:59.04 | mrStabby | unset made the stupid finland go away |
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| 13:59.19 | xk | mrStabby: you're still stuck with the .fi tld ;) |
| 13:59.25 | gustav3d | larsl: keep living in your little dream world, thinking all is ok. nice dude. |
| 13:59.30 | apalmieri | apt-get dist-upgrade should do it right? |
| 13:59.31 | azeem | gustav3d: stop it |
| 13:59.33 | mrStabby | xk what?? i am |
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| 13:59.39 | azeem | apalmieri: read the release notes |
| 13:59.41 | larsl | gustav3d: How can 80% of children born in Sweden be non-Swedes? Don't they get automatic citizenship? |
| 13:59.45 | mrStabby | oh jesus |
| 13:59.46 | azeem | larsl: please drop it |
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| 13:59.50 | larsl | OK, sorry. |
| 13:59.57 | apalmieri | azeem: i just did |
| 14:00.06 | azeem | !sarge->etch |
| 14:00.06 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 14:00.09 | azeem | apalmieri: ok |
| 14:00.09 | mrStabby | its a random proxy |
| 14:00.11 | mrStabby | i cannot help it |
| 14:00.14 | apalmieri | there is a debian tutorials heh |
| 14:00.23 | apalmieri | http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/103/133/ |
| 14:00.24 | apalmieri | there it is :) |
| 14:00.34 | azeem | apalmieri: don't follow random tutorials you find on the net |
| 14:00.54 | gustav3d | larsl: start watching the news perhaps ?. how is it that 60% of the 7000 homeless people in gothenburg is non europeans ?. |
| 14:01.01 | mrStabby | xk my group supplies me with random proxy |
| 14:01.03 | azeem | apalmieri: aptitude and not apt-get is the recommended way to upgrade |
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| 14:01.09 | mrStabby | they can be anywhere in the world |
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| 14:01.19 | azeem | gustav3d: you've been silenced for 10 minutes due to being off-topic |
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| 14:02.11 | sidjster | anyone ever got an abuse ticket? |
| 14:02.12 | larsl | On-topic question: How can I check how long a version of a package has been in testing? |
| 14:02.37 | azeem | larsl: packages.qa.debian.org/<package> has information about transitions to testing |
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| 14:02.47 | azeem | larsl: <package> needs to be the source package name though |
| 14:03.11 | apalmieri | azeem: i added that to my sources.list and it aint upgrading |
| 14:03.20 | larsl | azeem: Great, thanks. |
| 14:03.31 | azeem | apalmieri: did you run aptitude update? |
| 14:03.38 | Suprano_ | is the Novell storage service filesystem free? |
| 14:03.45 | apalmieri | i run apt-get dist upgrade |
| 14:03.59 | sidjster | apt-get update |
| 14:04.42 | sidjster | i ge tmy kernel imnage after update is that bad? |
| 14:04.52 | sidjster | or should i have my image first? |
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| 14:05.44 | chemaja | is there some channel that still does unbridled distro wars on a regular basis |
| 14:06.08 | azeem | apalmieri: use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 14:06.15 | chemaja | i need somewhere to rant about how superior etch is to zod |
| 14:06.21 | azeem | chemaja: not here |
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| 14:06.42 | sidjster | why aptitude? |
| 14:06.50 | azeem | because it's recommended |
| 14:06.52 | cydork | zod? wht the hell is that? |
| 14:07.01 | azeem | cydork: YHBT |
| 14:07.05 | sidjster | dang |
| 14:07.31 | cydork | azeem: damn!! |
| 14:08.17 | apalmieri | how do i tell wether im running etch or not? |
| 14:08.25 | azeem | apalmieri: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:08.26 | sidjster | uname -a |
| 14:09.01 | Suprano | would you suggest to me TCFS ? |
| 14:09.03 | apalmieri | Linux netflow 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:09.07 | apalmieri | doesnt say wether its etch or not |
| 14:09.15 | azeem | apalmieri: then follow my advise |
| 14:09.16 | sidjster | lmao |
| 14:09.17 | apalmieri | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 14:09.24 | apalmieri | sounds like sarge |
| 14:09.27 | azeem | it is |
| 14:09.29 | apalmieri | "sa", right? |
| 14:09.30 | apalmieri | ok |
| 14:09.31 | sidjster | you have sarge |
| 14:09.39 | apalmieri | so i definatley should go etch right? |
| 14:09.52 | sidjster | if you want |
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| 14:10.08 | uosiu | hello |
| 14:10.33 | azeem | apalmieri: is this a server exposed to the internet? |
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| 14:10.43 | apalmieri | azeem: yes. |
| 14:10.49 | azeem | apalmieri: then I would advise against |
| 14:10.52 | en0x | hi i have a problem while doing upgrade from 3.1 to sid |
| 14:10.56 | apalmieri | azeem: no etch? |
| 14:11.07 | azeem | apalmieri: not until it got officially released |
| 14:11.17 | apalmieri | should i stay sarge? |
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| 14:11.24 | azeem | apalmieri: get etch installed on a different box for that cisco-monitoring thingy |
| 14:11.26 | uosiu | i'm here to get a question- i'm using linux-educd 0.5 (mix of knoppix, kanotix, debian 3.1) and i've updated system by apt-get dist-upgrade, apt installed xorg (removed xf86) and now i had to configure X.org |
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| 14:11.31 | en0x | i'm geting something like that: http://wklej.org/id/f069a4a543 even when i add -f to apt-get |
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| 14:11.47 | abrotman | !tell deg0nz|weq about away |
| 14:11.48 | uosiu | but now i select wrong options i configurator |
| 14:12.00 | apalmieri | azeem thats what im doing bro |
| 14:12.09 | uosiu | and i want to reconfigure X.org (use xdm instead of kdm) |
| 14:12.13 | apalmieri | how do i change my IP and stop using DHCP |
| 14:12.22 | apalmieri | the NOC guy just gave me a static IP so i dont need DHCP no more |
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| 14:12.26 | abrotman | !tell apalmieri about interfaces |
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| 14:12.45 | azeem | uosiu: using xdm instead of kdm doesn't involved reconfiguring X.org |
| 14:12.54 | azeem | uosiu: just install xdm and remove kdm |
| 14:13.02 | apalmieri | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 14:13.18 | apalmieri | iface eth0 inet 10.x.x.x netmaskhere gatewayhere? |
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| 14:13.28 | apalmieri | can someone give me an iface example for interfaces? |
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| 14:13.52 | c00lfon | apalmieri, Look at interfaces(5). |
| 14:13.52 | apalmieri | oh i got man 5 for that |
| 14:13.54 | azeem | apalmieri: it's documented in man interfaces |
| 14:13.56 | uosiu | azeem: i've got a shit in /etc after updating linux-educd 0.5 to debian 4.0 |
| 14:14.20 | azeem | uosiu: well, that's a pity, but we can't help you with side-grades much |
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| 14:14.43 | x_link | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 14:14.44 | x_link | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 14:14.49 | x_link | Have I done that right? |
| 14:14.58 | x_link | I want the contrib non-free repo. |
| 14:15.16 | uosiu | hmmmm |
| 14:15.32 | azeem | x_link: looks good |
| 14:15.40 | uosiu | if that linux will work more than week i'll be *very* happy :) |
| 14:15.42 | azeem | maybe remove the / after debian, dunno |
| 14:16.07 | x_link | azeem: OK. But the security repo, should that also have non-free? |
| 14:16.18 | x_link | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:16.18 | x_link | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:16.20 | azeem | uosiu: if you don't have much private data or personal customizations on it, you could also reinstall with proper Debian |
| 14:16.27 | x_link | Like that? or should I take non-free away? |
| 14:16.33 | azeem | x_link: I don't think non-free is supported by security |
| 14:16.44 | azeem | x_link: if you get errors, remove it |
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| 14:17.02 | x_link | http://www.debian.org/security/ just found that |
| 14:17.05 | x_link | Yeah |
| 14:17.11 | x_link | Thanks for the help azeem |
| 14:17.13 | x_link | bbl |
| 14:17.20 | apalmieri | is it needed to upgrade the kernel or there is no need to? |
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| 14:17.41 | azeem | apalmieri: needed for what? |
| 14:18.00 | apalmieri | azeem: do i need to upgrade my kernel? |
| 14:18.05 | fireba11 | i'm trying to get munin to list apache2 details ... it's usingmod_status for that but it seems the etch-default of that returns only part of the information that should be available .. anyone can comment/help with that ? |
| 14:18.06 | apalmieri | or tune it up, by default after a base install |
| 14:18.20 | azeem | apalmieri: no |
| 14:18.23 | apalmieri | good |
| 14:18.24 | luddite | good question |
| 14:18.35 | luddite | id say yes |
| 14:19.06 | luddite | as anytime you install via synaptic it will take ages installing upgrades for dependancies |
| 14:19.26 | luddite | better to do it all in one and then installs go heaps quicker |
| 14:19.37 | luddite | when you need to use a new app |
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| 14:20.59 | apalmieri | aptitude remove exim4 is enough to remove exim and stop it from starting at boot time right? |
| 14:21.12 | ix | try dpkg --purge remove exim4 |
| 14:21.16 | azeem | uhm |
| 14:21.23 | azeem | apalmieri: why do you want to stop exim4? |
| 14:21.33 | azeem | apalmieri: didn't you say this was an internet server? |
| 14:21.35 | apalmieri | because i dont use a MTA nor send mails from that box |
| 14:21.45 | apalmieri | this is a box that will be graphing CISCO stuff thats all its gon do |
| 14:21.48 | azeem | apalmieri: Unix needs an MTA for internal purposes |
| 14:21.48 | apalmieri | nothing else |
| 14:21.53 | Caitriona | apalmieri, you'll probably want to set up a local-only MTA |
| 14:22.01 | apalmieri | oh that probably yeah |
| 14:22.09 | qwertz | Hi, I've got to install debian on 10 identical server and don't like to do it by hand for every server. So is there any recommended way to "clone" a system? |
| 14:22.14 | azeem | apalmieri: you can just configure exim4 to only deliver local mail |
| 14:22.23 | sidjster | i recommend using sid as your web server it would be sweet |
| 14:22.29 | uosiu | ok |
| 14:22.35 | azeem | sidjster: huh? |
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| 14:22.41 | luddite | qwuert - norton ghost |
| 14:22.41 | uosiu | now i've configured xserver-xorg |
| 14:23.01 | uosiu | but now selection of kdm/xdm is in package...? |
| 14:23.05 | sidjster | cant you configure apt to use network install? |
| 14:23.20 | azeem | luddite: please don't advertise proprietary software in here which doesn't run on Debian anyway |
| 14:23.27 | uosiu | sidjster: that question is to me? |
| 14:23.29 | luddite | sorry |
| 14:23.36 | luddite | i was advertising |
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| 14:23.44 | sidjster | nope qwertz |
| 14:24.00 | luddite | it is good software and has helped me on many server installs before. |
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| 14:24.44 | cast | hey guys, i have something i can't work out. when i run netstat -nptl i get 6 things listed with a - for the PID listening on 0.0.0.0:50600 + 4 other ports. what the hell is it? |
| 14:24.47 | uosiu | hmmm |
| 14:24.54 | hark | uosiu: do you want to install a dm or select a default? |
| 14:25.02 | uosiu | hark: select |
| 14:25.09 | justin | cast: run netstat as root |
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| 14:25.17 | uosiu | and set X.org to be default Xserver, not Xf86 |
| 14:25.17 | x_link | What is the link to trash? |
| 14:25.19 | cast | justin: i am. |
| 14:25.22 | x_link | trash\: ? |
| 14:25.24 | hark | uosiu: dpkg-reconfigre ?dm |
| 14:25.33 | justin | cast: oh, right :) |
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| 14:26.13 | justin | cast: you using nfs-kernel-server or similar? |
| 14:26.58 | justin | cast: try rpcinfo -p localhost |
| 14:27.21 | cast | justin: well i was before, not now. rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused |
| 14:27.28 | cast | justin: i haven't rebooted since then |
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| 14:29.45 | cast | justin: those are listening on tcp, btw |
| 14:30.04 | luddite | anyone installed beryl /xgl yet? |
| 14:30.08 | cast | i'm going to kill everything i can |
| 14:30.08 | luddite | successfully? |
| 14:30.15 | luddite | raise hand please... |
| 14:30.24 | uosiu | ok |
| 14:30.24 | azeem | luddite: compiz/aiglx is available in testing and supported |
| 14:30.28 | uosiu | stay tuned |
| 14:30.36 | uosiu | tryin' to reboot machine :> |
| 14:30.48 | luddite | is compiz anygood ? i heard beryl was better |
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| 14:30.55 | Suprano | i search a cryptic filesystem that does 1) not lay on top of an other fs 2) works in KernelSpace any ideas? |
| 14:31.02 | mrec | does anyone know if these effects work properly with an i855gm graphic chip? |
| 14:31.10 | azeem | luddite: depends on your definition of "better", compiz is more stable at least |
| 14:32.01 | luddite | azeem: i dont really have a concept of better but saw videos of both on google videos and beryl looked best. |
| 14:32.25 | azeem | luddite: but beryl and xgl aren't supported |
| 14:32.33 | luddite | oh ok. |
| 14:32.42 | luddite | i never knew that |
| 14:32.56 | larsl | Suprano: Cryptic? |
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| 14:33.04 | larsl | Suprano: Do you mean encrypted? |
| 14:33.07 | azeem | so feel free to install some random .debs off the net and destabilize your box, but please don't complain here if it happens |
| 14:33.13 | Suprano | well that encrypts the files yes |
| 14:33.31 | Suprano | as a fs needs to de- and encrypt i thought i call it crypt ^^ |
| 14:33.51 | larsl | Suprano: I don't know of any file systems that just encrypts the files, but you can put any filesystem on an encrypted block device using device mapping. |
| 14:33.59 | luddite | azeem: if you update your system in april with the new debian build then will it overwrite all my settings? its taken ages getting it perfect? |
| 14:34.12 | azeem | hrm? |
| 14:34.13 | Suprano | larsl you mean i should user the loop back device? |
| 14:34.24 | Suprano | *use |
| 14:34.29 | luddite | azeem: random debs != good. gotchya |
| 14:34.32 | larsl | Suprano: I think that's the usual way to do it. |
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| 14:34.55 | Suprano | well the loop back dice feels so unperforment ( i haven'T tried it yet) |
| 14:34.59 | Suprano | *device |
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| 14:37.11 | larsl | Suprano: Encryption is slower than plaintext file systems, you can't get away from that. |
| 14:37.20 | Suprano | i know |
| 14:37.34 | Suprano | but i want to minimize that effeckt as much as possible |
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| 14:37.37 | Suprano | *effekt |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | effect ? |
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| 14:38.35 | Suprano | the effekt of slowing down the performance of read/write |
| 14:38.37 | uosiu | ok |
| 14:38.43 | uosiu | now next question :) |
| 14:38.44 | Suprano | *arg |
| 14:38.52 | Suprano | effekt/effect |
| 14:38.54 | uosiu | but i have to wait ma moment |
| 14:38.55 | Suprano | what ever |
| 14:38.56 | uosiu | ok |
| 14:39.09 | uosiu | how to disable some daemons and services? |
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| 14:39.20 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 14:39.27 | uosiu | in fedora i used chkconfig |
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| 14:39.49 | cizra | How could I install a deb package? I tried apt-get install filename.deb, but it didn't work. |
| 14:39.54 | abrotman | man dpkg |
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| 14:40.03 | cast | alright, seemed it might have been some left over kernel modules loaded for nfs |
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| 14:40.29 | cast | despite nfs not running anymore, i rmmod'd them all but ports were still open, so i rebooted. was getting funky kernel error messages :x |
| 14:40.33 | cast | seems all good now. |
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| 14:41.07 | cizra | Woo hoo, thanks! |
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| 14:41.44 | cast | if i chmod -x a file in /etc/cron.* it'll stop it from running right? |
| 14:45.15 | g333k_work | hello how can I play a stream for windows media player in totem or any audio player for linux? |
| 14:45.43 | hark | get w32codecs |
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| 14:46.50 | minerale | how can I rotate the screen 90 degrees (i'd like to have a tall manotir instead) |
| 14:46.53 | g333k_work | hark, then? |
| 14:47.10 | hark | profit! |
| 14:47.29 | hark | minerale: xrandr? |
| 14:48.07 | luddite | lol |
| 14:48.17 | uosiu | ok |
| 14:48.44 | uosiu | how to remove autostart of 4 skype's and kadu? they are not in ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 14:48.49 | abrotman | !tell g333k_work about w32codecs |
| 14:49.18 | hark | uosiu: what DE? |
| 14:49.18 | abrotman | mmm .. macintosh portrait monitors... |
| 14:49.25 | minerale | hark: how exactlY ? |
| 14:49.30 | abrotman | minerale: do you have xorg ? |
| 14:49.41 | uosiu | hark: ? |
| 14:50.01 | hark | uosiu: gnome/kde etc. |
| 14:50.19 | minerale | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:50.31 | uosiu | hark: kde? |
| 14:51.37 | sidjster | what do you need if you have high speed cable line to serve 56k internet? |
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| 14:52.43 | daxxar | How can I find what packages are held? |
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| 14:53.59 | ice63 | sidjster: a lot more then cable lol |
| 14:54.22 | sidjster | modem pools arent used any more are they? |
| 14:54.42 | luddite | compiz cant install anyway - mismatched versions and dependancies - so much for it being supported. |
| 14:54.44 | TWiDER | Hello. I need to develop a C++ program that uses threads. The question is: Should I use the libpthreads or should i stay with the glibc threads? |
| 14:54.48 | hark | minerale: xrandr with the -o switch. like xrand -o left or right IIRC |
| 14:54.50 | luddite | beryl - installed ;-) |
| 14:55.15 | TWiDER | the package is libpthread20 |
| 14:55.25 | hark | uosiu: maybe check KDE's kcontrol for startup sessions or services... |
| 14:55.31 | daxxar | http://p.caboo.se/40802 - How can I fix this? |
| 14:55.34 | sidjster | it would be like vpn right? |
| 14:55.47 | minerale | hark: it's not working for me |
| 14:56.14 | hark | minerale: what graphics card? It may have to be enabled in xorg.conf too |
| 14:56.20 | uosiu | ok |
| 14:56.31 | uosiu | and fast how-to disable services |
| 14:56.34 | minerale | hark: nvidia |
| 14:56.36 | stew | TWiDER: ask #c++ |
| 14:56.44 | uosiu | update-rc.d service off? |
| 14:56.50 | minerale | can I start a rotated X screen session ? |
| 14:57.12 | uosiu | hark: update-rc.d service off? |
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| 14:57.25 | hark | minerale: try Option "RandRRotation" "on" in Section "Device" if you use the non-free driver |
| 14:57.35 | sidjster | say i have cable with 1meg down 1 meg up i could theoretically serve dial up access to my machine right? |
| 14:57.39 | hark | !red hat tools |
| 14:57.39 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
| 14:58.24 | hark | uosiu: just read the man page |
| 14:58.59 | luddite | sidjster: ofcourse |
| 14:59.12 | luddite | manybe 10 users at a time |
| 14:59.23 | sidjster | thats it? |
| 14:59.27 | sidjster | 1 up 1 down? |
| 14:59.43 | Hoxzer_ | how do I preven x from loading on boot? |
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| 15:00.17 | stew | Hoxzer_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:00.19 | hark | Hoxzer_: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 15:01.48 | sidjster | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg mess up you monitor frequencies and x wont load on next session |
| 15:01.49 | chemaja | lol redhat tools. i'm forced into redhat submission at work :-\ |
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| 15:02.08 | abrotman | minerale: man xrandr |
| 15:02.28 | abrotman | minerale: if you just run `xrandr` it will tell you if you have the ability to do the rotation |
| 15:03.06 | sidjster | im surew there are tons of articles in THE google to figure how to stop x from loading |
| 15:03.22 | sidjster | i love how bush says THE google |
| 15:03.43 | stoned | We established a long time ago that Busy is a moron. |
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| 15:03.56 | stoned | sidjster: how do you mean mess up monitor config |
| 15:04.00 | chemaja | a dangerous moron |
| 15:04.01 | sidjster | like he can really carry it around with him in his pocket |
| 15:04.15 | stoned | sidjster: you must not have had the packages install, discover/read-edid |
| 15:04.15 | sidjster | go get me the google |
| 15:04.22 | chemaja | somebody must have sent him one too many internets down the tubes |
| 15:04.34 | chemaja | somebody set us up the goog |
| 15:04.42 | sidjster | what are you talking about? |
| 15:04.50 | chemaja | bush's dumb ass. |
| 15:05.18 | abrotman | try #politics |
| 15:05.21 | stoned | sidjster: I don't use the configure script because I have a dual head config.. |
| 15:05.24 | chemaja | ok |
| 15:05.48 | sidjster | that was me talking to <Hoxzer_> how do I preven x from loading on boot? |
| 15:05.54 | sidjster | it was a joke |
| 15:05.58 | sidjster | not very funny |
| 15:06.13 | daxxar | http://p.caboo.se/40802 - How can I fix this? |
| 15:06.14 | stoned | and I thought my sense of humor was fucked |
| 15:06.15 | stoned | eh abrotman |
| 15:06.20 | abrotman | hi ? |
| 15:06.23 | stoned | hola |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | one more day! |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | no more cold! |
| 15:06.33 | stoned | try end of the month |
| 15:06.39 | stoned | we got snowed in |
| 15:06.41 | abrotman | you moved it again? :) |
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| 15:06.43 | stoned | I'm not leaving now |
| 15:06.46 | abrotman | daxxar: aptitude update .. try again |
| 15:06.47 | stoned | yes I have to |
| 15:06.52 | daxxar | abrotman: I've done so |
| 15:07.08 | stoned | I gotta go to the apartment office and tell the lady to let me just give her rest of the rent for this month |
| 15:07.17 | abrotman | daxxar: do you have the security line in your sources ? |
| 15:07.18 | stoned | I'm breaking my lease a few months early |
| 15:07.26 | stoned | they want 1 months rent also, assholes |
| 15:07.41 | daxxar | Ah, no. Thanks, I'm adding it and I'll see if that helps. |
| 15:07.45 | abrotman | good plan! |
| 15:07.45 | daxxar | I wonder who commented that out. :O |
| 15:07.48 | dr1v3r | anyone here able to help me with the setup of my apache ssl please? i installed evrything using apt but i seam to be having issues getting it to work :( |
| 15:07.54 | stoned | daxxar: the ghost within |
| 15:08.05 | stoned | dr1v3r: what doest work? |
| 15:08.07 | daxxar | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:08.19 | sidjster | just remove the two packages that you already updated and install the tow that are missing? |
| 15:08.22 | abrotman | daxxar: paste your sources somewhere |
| 15:08.26 | sidjster | 2 |
| 15:08.44 | dr1v3r | i keep getting errors saying Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 69.45.6.70:443 |
| 15:08.44 | dr1v3r | no listening sockets available |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | dr1v3r: so see what's using it |
| 15:09.22 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp 443 |
| 15:09.26 | daxxar | abrotman: http://p.caboo.se/40806 |
| 15:09.32 | stoned | dr1v3r: so then that is the error. netstat -a|grep port# |
| 15:09.46 | daxxar | lsof -i:443 |
| 15:09.47 | sidjster | that probally why aptitude has that thingy to mark it so it dosent get upgraded? |
| 15:10.08 | stoned | [h]old |
| 15:10.13 | abrotman | daxxar: you get that error from aptitude update ? |
| 15:10.18 | stoned | its not a thingy |
| 15:10.25 | sidjster | whatever |
| 15:10.30 | dr1v3r | i have done netstat -anlp | grep 443 and it shows this result http://www.pastebin.ca/359070 |
| 15:10.46 | abrotman | god damned pastebin |
| 15:11.01 | abrotman | dr1v3r: so apache-ssl is running .. what's the problem ? |
| 15:11.04 | dr1v3r | i would paste in here but i will get booted :D |
| 15:11.11 | stoned | abrotman: probably not configured right |
| 15:11.19 | abrotman | it's still listening :) |
| 15:11.26 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:11.26 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:11.28 | stoned | but on 0 |
| 15:11.31 | daxxar | abrotman: http://p.caboo.se/40808 |
| 15:11.40 | dr1v3r | it says its running but i get that error when i config it |
| 15:11.52 | sidjster | just paste here and rejoin thats how i made all my friends |
| 15:11.56 | abrotman | daxxar: try apt-get update |
| 15:12.07 | stoned | abrotman: whats with this kid? |
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| 15:12.17 | daxxar | Hm, yeah, that solved it. What's the issue? |
| 15:12.19 | abrotman | stoned: he's learning from you :) |
| 15:12.21 | daxxar | What was the issue?* |
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| 15:12.26 | stoned | abrotman: hah, bugger off! |
| 15:12.29 | abrotman | daxxar: dunno .. i've never seen that issue |
| 15:12.34 | stoned | but for real though man |
| 15:12.46 | daxxar | abrotman: Let me see if I can install libperl-dev now. :) |
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| 15:13.40 | dr1v3r | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5408. there is my virtualhost section |
| 15:13.46 | sidjster | does sid every provide security packages? |
| 15:14.00 | Gathond | sidjster: no |
| 15:14.03 | abrotman | there is no security.debian.org for sid |
| 15:14.18 | dr1v3r | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5409. there is my ports.conf |
| 15:14.28 | hark | but, in a way, yes |
| 15:14.40 | daxxar | abrotman: Same problem with the deps |
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| 15:14.55 | dr1v3r | thats all i have setup to use port 443 because ihave stopped my dovecot server untill i get this problem fixed |
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| 15:15.09 | sidjster | sick of seeing that error |
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| 15:15.42 | sidjster | unable to connect to bla bla bla security updates bla |
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| 15:15.52 | abrotman | daxxar: apt-cache policy <all the packages involved> |
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| 15:17.27 | sidjster | does locate have to be retrieved i have a machine that locate will not work on seems fishy |
| 15:18.19 | sidjster | locate is broke captain |
| 15:19.44 | abrotman | sidjster: are you broken? |
| 15:19.54 | sidjster | slightly |
| 15:20.06 | abrotman | please ask questions that are coherent |
| 15:20.26 | sidjster | locate wont work |
| 15:20.37 | sidjster | locate xorg |
| 15:20.41 | sidjster | $ |
| 15:20.46 | sidjster | crazy |
| 15:21.09 | hark | you did run updatedb ? |
| 15:21.38 | sidjster | umm nope |
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| 15:22.06 | sidjster | what the hell is updatedb? |
| 15:22.11 | abrotman | sidjster: how the fuck did you end up running sid/unstable ? |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | sidjster: man update |
| 15:22.17 | abrotman | sidjster: man updatedb |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | !tell sidjster about grounding |
| 15:22.28 | garo | sidjster: updates the database used by locate |
| 15:23.33 | stoned | sidjster: you're too quick to put debian down and say blah is broken and flah is broken. You are quite frankly being a tool. |
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| 15:23.49 | stoned | sidjster: do not attribute your lack of knowledge to debian being broken |
| 15:23.56 | stoned | thats pathetic really |
| 15:24.00 | sidjster | excuse me im not trying to be TOOL |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | try reading |
| 15:24.20 | garo | sidjster: but you shouldn't run sid if you don't even know a basic tool like updatedb |
| 15:24.32 | stoned | garo: I told him this a few days ago |
| 15:24.34 | azeem | you guys told him now. |
| 15:24.42 | sidjster | was just curious why locate didnt work and if someone else might be able to share their locate expieriences with me |
| 15:24.43 | abrotman | we sure did! |
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| 15:25.13 | abrotman | daxxar: did you paste it for me ? |
| 15:25.17 | abrotman | erm .. can you |
| 15:25.27 | abrotman | daxxar: the apt-cache policy stuff i mean |
| 15:25.35 | stoned | daxxar: just paste it, he asked so nicely :) |
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| 15:26.39 | yacc | Just wondering, when upgrading a system from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel, are there any packages that I need to upgrade before? |
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| 15:26.50 | abrotman | using debian kernels ? |
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| 15:29.07 | yacc | abrotman: nope, plain standard kernels, build via kernel-package. |
| 15:29.42 | abrotman | !depends kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 sarge |
| 15:29.46 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686: depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.63), coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.0), module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13) |
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| 15:31.03 | stoned | abrotman: you've used Songbird yet? |
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| 15:31.17 | abrotman | stoned: i built it once .. |
| 15:31.29 | stoned | abrotman: its pretty damn good I think |
| 15:31.34 | apk | Can I somehow tell dpkg that I have a program in /usr/local or somehow have already met a dependancy? |
| 15:31.38 | stoned | needs a bit of work on the actual multimedia capability |
| 15:31.38 | abrotman | it's okay .. a lot of stuff for what it does |
| 15:31.45 | stoned | a bit too much |
| 15:31.48 | abrotman | !tell apk about equivs |
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| 15:34.18 | apk | abrotman: Is the another preferred method to tell dpkg that sun-j2sdk1.5 (made with java-package) fulfills sun-java5-jre, or should I use equivs? |
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| 15:35.05 | abrotman | apk: it should already do that AFAIK |
| 15:35.14 | apk | abrotman: Oh. sun-java5-jdk. Is this new? |
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| 15:35.21 | abrotman | in etch ? |
| 15:35.23 | apk | yeah |
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| 15:35.47 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 15:36.08 | abrotman | the -jdk requires the -jre |
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| 15:36.35 | jeef | anyone (around) tried compiz on etch? |
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| 15:36.53 | apk | Does the sun-java5-jdk have everything that java-pacakge/sun-j2sdk1.5 gets me? |
| 15:36.55 | abrotman | jeef: i'm sure someone has .. just ask |
| 15:36.55 | azeem | jeef: do you have a specific question about it? |
| 15:37.01 | abrotman | apk: it should |
| 15:37.16 | jeef | abrotman, i asked. :) |
| 15:37.26 | stew | jeef: yes |
| 15:37.27 | abrotman | jeef: okay .. what if i use it .. what's your real question? :) |
| 15:37.46 | jeef | my real question is if someone's used it. if someone has it's probably worked, unless they say, "yeah, but it's borked." |
| 15:38.01 | azeem | jeef: if it was borked, it wouldn't be in etch |
| 15:38.03 | stew | jeef: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 15:38.22 | grumbel | what (lightweight) email clients are out there that feature a fast fulltext search? |
| 15:38.22 | stew | happy friday, y'all |
| 15:38.33 | stew | grumbel: mutt |
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| 15:38.47 | jeef | i dunno, it acted weirdly for me. just curious if anyone else was using it successfully. |
| 15:39.05 | azeem | jeef: "acted weirdly" is still not a proper error description |
| 15:39.07 | jeef | i never received any errors (visibly, or in xorg's log), thus, i assumed something was borked. |
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| 15:39.20 | gulars | I'm trying to compile pdfedit, and have installed the prerequsites, but I'm not quite sure as to how to set enviroment variables... it says that I need QTDIR and QMAKESPEC set to successfully complie, but also that some distros set them upon installation - I've tried echo $QTDIR, and tha tjust prints a blank line. this should mean that I must set them myself? |
| 15:39.32 | grumbel | stew: does that have a fast fulltext search across all mailboxes? |
| 15:39.33 | stew | jeef: if something was borked, the bts should say. if you have a consistent problem with it, file a bug, /msg dpkg reportbut |
| 15:39.33 | jeef | i can't describe it's behavior. it's abnormal. missing window manager decorations completely, it just didn't do anything except remove my window manager's decorations entirely. |
| 15:39.40 | stew | jeef: err /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:39.54 | stew | grumbel: hmm, i'm not sure about across all mailboxes |
| 15:39.59 | stew | i use grep for that |
| 15:40.00 | azeem | jeef: then it didn't start up |
| 15:40.02 | jeef | i checked wiki.debian.org/Compiz and followed that, but it surely didn't go so swell |
| 15:40.06 | jeef | no, it started, i assure you |
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| 15:40.44 | azeem | jeef: do you have AIGLX working and the Composite Extension enabled? |
| 15:40.44 | jeef | it removed everything else and didn't display anything. |
| 15:40.45 | jeef | composite's enabled, but what's funny about aiglx is that it doesnt' autoload like it should, i had to force it |
| 15:40.45 | azeem | jeef: it stopped the other window manager, it didn't start |
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| 15:40.45 | grumbel | basically I am searching for something like gmail, just as real client and with a few more features (real threading, sorting by subject/author/date/etc.) |
| 15:40.48 | jeef | azeem, it runs. it starts. it just doesn't display. |
| 15:40.50 | azeem | jeef: does your x.org.log say AIGLX enabled or something? |
| 15:40.55 | grew | grumbel: google is your friend |
| 15:40.58 | free-sms | Send free SMS worldwide to any mobile phone and track message delivery.Download the software from --> http://ssms.110mb.com/sms.exe Have fun! |
| 15:41.02 | jeef | like, i've manually 'ran' it and let it sit int he foreground... it just doesn't display anything |
| 15:41.04 | azeem | jeef: anyway, that should've been your first line |
| 15:41.18 | azeem | not asking "does anybody use..." or "I get weird stuff..." |
| 15:41.19 | jeef | azeem, i mentioned that it only enables aiglx if i force it |
| 15:41.21 | free-sms | Send free SMS worldwide to any mobile phone and track message delivery.Download the software from --> http://ssms.110mb.com/sms.exe Have fun! |
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| 15:41.39 | GeorgeS069 | free-sms: .exe file won't work on my system |
| 15:41.43 | dr1v3r | how i kill aprocess again guys? |
| 15:41.47 | gulars | wonder if it's supported by wine ;) |
| 15:41.50 | abrotman | dr1v3r: kill |
| 15:41.59 | gulars | kill or killall |
| 15:42.00 | dr1v3r | is it just kill processid? |
| 15:42.06 | azeem | dr1v3r: man kill |
| 15:42.17 | jeef | azeem, it's hard to state a problem when there's no error message or real symptoms aside from it not starting properly.. |
| 15:42.28 | jeef | hence me having no idea how to begin debugging the issue |
| 15:42.31 | gulars | "kill -9 pid" is supposed to force kill |
| 15:42.46 | azeem | jeef: "does not display window decorations" is way more helpful than "does weird stuff" |
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| 15:43.05 | gulars | anyone know bout those evniroment variables? |
| 15:43.10 | jeef | aiglx said loaded last time i tried compiz, but it was a forced load, which concerns me, considering what i was reading said it should auto load (like, maybe mine's broken somehow) |
| 15:43.23 | jeef | i had to manually enable it in xorg.conf |
| 15:43.53 | x_link | Hi |
| 15:43.59 | x_link | enouf: There? |
| 15:44.08 | x_link | Could somebody please help me intalling the nvidia drivers? |
| 15:44.25 | dr1v3r | guys i have processes but when i try to kill they it says there is no such process. how is that? |
| 15:44.38 | x_link | I installed the latest ones 2 days ago, and when I rebooted and right before I should come to the login manager I didn't get any graphic. Lost it. |
| 15:44.44 | x_link | SO I guess I can't use the latest nvidia drivers? |
| 15:44.48 | azeem | jeef: check that you have GLX running with "glxinfo | grep renderer" |
| 15:44.55 | azeem | DRI I mean |
| 15:44.56 | x_link | So could somebody please help me with that? |
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| 15:45.07 | abrotman | !tell x_link about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:45.34 | jeef | azeem, the debian wiki article on it says to unload DRI |
| 15:45.40 | jeef | and glcore |
| 15:45.44 | azeem | eh? |
| 15:45.50 | x_link | Well I still have the nvidia drivers on my second hdd, I could just cd to it and run that command. But I'm afraid it will not work again |
| 15:45.51 | azeem | jeef: where is that article? |
| 15:45.53 | jeef | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 15:46.07 | azeem | jeef: anyway, what does glxinfo say? |
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| 15:46.13 | jeef | says to comment out Load "dri" and Load "GLcore" |
| 15:46.27 | jeef | i don't have compiz setup right now, azeem, so i can't really accurately answer that |
| 15:46.29 | x_link | azeem: I use Debian Etch, and I use non-free repo. Is that what they/it mean? |
| 15:46.29 | azeem | jeef: for nvidia users |
| 15:46.38 | x_link | sorry I mean abrotman |
| 15:46.41 | jeef | however, i'll try to put it back to how it was then see what it says. |
| 15:46.47 | abrotman | x_link: probably |
| 15:46.50 | x_link | ok |
| 15:46.52 | jeef | x is unusable when compiz tries to load |
| 15:46.54 | azeem | jeef: are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 15:46.57 | jeef | yes. |
| 15:47.00 | azeem | ah, ok |
| 15:47.06 | x_link | abrotman: So I should just run that long command I guess? |
| 15:47.08 | daxxar | abrotman, stoned: Sorry, suddenly had to run to try 'n' get my uni-homework checked by a student assistant. :-P I'll paste it now. |
| 15:47.14 | azeem | not sure compiz is supported with them |
| 15:47.16 | azeem | probably still not |
| 15:47.21 | abrotman | daxxar: you passed! |
| 15:47.26 | jeef | i've seen people say that it is |
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| 15:47.31 | azeem | dunno |
| 15:47.33 | h3sp4wn | the only ones that support texture_from_pixmap are in experimental; |
| 15:47.34 | jeef | only a certain version though |
| 15:47.40 | daxxar | Actually I didn't, I had noted the wrong time, so the deadline is over :p |
| 15:47.52 | jeef | h3sp4wn, i'm sure nvidia provides them as well, i.e. no need for experimental crap |
| 15:48.02 | stew | jeef: are you sure they work with aiglx or just xgl? |
| 15:48.14 | jeef | aiglx, from what i've seen |
| 15:48.19 | jeef | but only certain versions of the drivers |
| 15:48.20 | h3sp4wn | jeef: I would much rather use a backported package from experimental than the junk nvidia.com installer |
| 15:48.23 | jeef | 9xxx or soemthing |
| 15:48.34 | jeef | h3sp4wn, what, with apt-pinning? |
| 15:48.41 | azeem | jeef: right, I implied that the nvidia drivers in etch don't support compiz |
| 15:48.41 | jeef | or a real backport |
| 15:49.12 | h3sp4wn | jeef: real backport (nvidia-graphics-drivers is the source) |
| 15:49.32 | jeef | from an experimental mirror, i mean? or, from a backport mirror |
| 15:49.48 | daxxar | abrotman: http://p.caboo.se/40816 |
| 15:49.51 | Decavolt | you sure? All the documentation I've been reading on compiz (about to install it myself) has included nVidia specifically |
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| 15:50.13 | vandred88 | Visit my site! www.freepenguin.135.it for vote http://www.altervista.org/cgi-bin/top100/vota_n.cgi?09C863B80A5FFCA1F118B56C952B6840 |
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| 15:50.20 | h3sp4wn | jeef: from experimental |
| 15:50.28 | jeef | h3sp4wn, yeah, so apt-pinning.. |
| 15:50.41 | h3sp4wn | jeef: no need to pin |
| 15:51.02 | jeef | i'd rather, to be careful. |
| 15:52.00 | h3sp4wn | the version is etch will never go to 9xxx so its a non issue |
| 15:52.31 | abrotman | daxxar: where'd you get that perl and libperl ? |
| 15:53.16 | abrotman | daxxar: apt-get install perl .. what does it say ? |
| 15:54.08 | daxxar | perl is already the newest version. |
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| 15:54.26 | daxxar | I don't know, I thought it was installed from apt. I'm wondering if the other admin has done something fucked up. |
| 15:54.28 | x_link | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/359149 |
| 15:54.39 | x_link | I did that now, should I just reboot KDE now? |
| 15:55.25 | Miesco_ | I loaded nautalis then I closed it but I still have the background (Im using ion) how do I get the no-background |
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| 15:56.40 | jeef | h3sp4wn, do you have to fetch a source package for it? |
| 15:56.53 | abrotman | x_link: aren't you running etch ? |
| 15:57.10 | x_link | Yes ? |
| 15:57.21 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 15:57.34 | x_link | ok, but I already did that command I just showed you. |
| 15:57.37 | abrotman | daxxar: is there any pinning giong on? |
| 15:57.40 | x_link | So is it messed up now? |
| 15:57.53 | scv | what's the codename of the next debian? |
| 15:57.57 | abrotman | daxxar: dpkg -l perl | tail -1 |
| 15:58.02 | abrotman | scv: etch ... then lenny |
| 15:58.05 | x_link | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure xorg just jumped down a line |
| 15:58.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:58.10 | scv | oh, tks |
| 15:58.14 | abrotman | x_link: try restarting i guess |
| 15:58.17 | daxxar | abrotman: ii perl 5.8.8-4 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report |
| 15:58.18 | x_link | Ok |
| 15:58.24 | x_link | abrotman: This way was alot easier |
| 15:58.27 | x_link | Thanks alot! |
| 15:58.51 | hark | Miesco: you can run nautilus with --no-desktop to prevent that |
| 15:58.55 | DrthHmstr | yo |
| 15:58.56 | abrotman | daxxar: that's not right |
| 15:58.57 | h3sp4wn | jeef: Would be safer to do so |
| 15:59.08 | jeef | hmm, okay |
| 15:59.10 | abrotman | daxxar: look for pinning |
| 15:59.13 | jeef | what's the experimental mirror? |
| 15:59.15 | xNinja | i am using Debian 4.0 testing...and i cant find alot of packages as the sarge 3* i want to install build-essentials for example...what to do ? |
| 15:59.22 | jeef | i never really use it |
| 15:59.23 | DrthHmstr | secret |
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| 15:59.31 | daxxar | abrotman: I'll have to brb, pizza is finished. Thanks for your help thus far :-) |
| 15:59.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:59.41 | h3sp4wn | jeef: (as xorg 7.2 was uploaded to experimental might have been changed and broken in terms of etch / sid) |
| 15:59.47 | hark | Miesco: or using gconftool-2 or gconf-editor unset /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop |
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| 16:00.31 | h3sp4wn | jeef: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian experimental non-free (should work) |
| 16:00.43 | scv | Can i still use xfree in debian? |
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| 16:02.59 | jeef | h3sp4wn, hmm, okay |
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| 16:03.26 | DAC1 | I have a fat32 partition on which I cannot write from Debian unless I logged in as root - how to change that ? |
| 16:03.46 | cahoot | DAC1: try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 16:03.47 | stew | jeef: have you checked ~/.xsession-errors about your compiz problem? |
| 16:03.55 | dererk[work] | does anyone know if its possible to save a screen buffer into a file ? |
| 16:04.14 | dererk[work] | 'screen' the utility |
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| 16:04.33 | smacnay | is fam a tool needed for run-of-the-mill machines or does it serve a more specific purpose on servers and such? |
| 16:04.34 | jeef | stew, i checked the Xorg logs |
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| 16:05.02 | stew | jeef: how are you starting compiz? with -replace? or from Xsession? |
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| 16:05.08 | DAC1 | cahoot: I am now in a different machine so I cannot test it only in 30 minutes |
| 16:05.10 | x_link | abrotman: Why don't I get the latest version? |
| 16:05.23 | h3sp4wn | jeef: apt-get update; apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers; apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers -t experimental |
| 16:05.27 | jeef | replace |
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| 16:05.48 | jeef | h3sp4wn, thanks, just waiting for the mirror to sync on update |
| 16:05.51 | DAC1 | cahoot: but I will try /msg dpkg thanks |
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| 16:07.13 | jeef | h3sp4wn, what kinds of extra stuff do you have to add to xorg.conf with these newer drivers? |
| 16:07.17 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Hi, will that command get the latest nvidia driver? |
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| 16:07.25 | jeef | i read something that says you don't need aiglx with the newer drivers |
| 16:07.31 | stoned | oh man |
| 16:07.35 | abrotman | x_link: of what ? |
| 16:07.36 | stoned | I'm sick of morons |
| 16:07.43 | abrotman | try /part :) |
| 16:07.50 | stoned | no not here man |
| 16:07.52 | stoned | in the world |
| 16:07.54 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:07.55 | stoned | just in general |
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| 16:07.59 | cahoot | right |
| 16:08.04 | Tobe | sure |
| 16:08.07 | stoned | word. |
| 16:08.15 | x_link | abrotman: The latest nvidia driver. I got the same as I used before, 8776 |
| 16:08.35 | x_link | 9746 is the latest one. The thing is that Beryl works better with the latest one. |
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| 16:09.46 | roe | how do I pipe something to a parallel port printer? |
| 16:09.51 | Miesco_ | hark: Didn't work |
| 16:09.54 | Miesco_ | hark: Im using ion3... |
| 16:09.58 | abrotman | x_link: because .. it's not in etch |
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| 16:10.02 | jeef | h3sp4wn, is it best to just dpkg -i its packages that it spits out? or is there another apt-get command for it? |
| 16:10.05 | x_link | abrotman: Ok |
| 16:10.06 | abrotman | roe: lp ? |
| 16:10.21 | dererk[work] | nobody used screen before? c'mon! :) |
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| 16:10.40 | abrotman | nothing in the man page ? |
| 16:11.00 | Miesco | SHould I just restart ion3 to reset my background? |
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| 16:11.15 | SLiNK | anyone know why this is a bad link? |
| 16:11.16 | SLiNK | http://packages.debian.net/stable/mipsel/libgmp3-dev/mipsel/download |
| 16:11.16 | DAC1 | cahoot: after /msg dpkg vfatrw (I know that partition is read only for others than root) ? |
| 16:11.19 | apk | dererk[work]: man screen /hardcopy |
| 16:11.31 | x_link | hrmm. when I just reboot KDE and come back then I don't have a mouse cursor. |
| 16:11.38 | DAC1 | cahoot: what should I do afterwards |
| 16:12.18 | hark | Miesco: killall nautilus ? |
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| 16:12.33 | cahoot | DAC1: if you run /msg dpkg vfatrw in your irc client you gett instructions |
| 16:12.36 | Miesco | hark: I did |
| 16:12.42 | Miesco | hark: Background is still there |
| 16:13.02 | DAC1 | cahoot: thanks - see you later |
| 16:13.08 | tzafrir_laptop | roe, >/dev/lp0 ? |
| 16:13.31 | roe | thanx both |
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| 16:14.00 | dererk[work] | apk, :D |
| 16:14.02 | jengelh | I just loaded up the 3.1r4/i386 iso, and.. screen buildup is slow as over 9600bps serial. |
| 16:14.24 | SLiNK | Anyone know if the files that I want at this link maybe on a cd? http://packages.debian.net/stable/mipsel/libgmp3-dev/mipsel/download |
| 16:15.17 | abrotman | SLiNK: try packages.debian.org |
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| 16:16.40 | jengelh | woha deactivating FB is soo much faster. |
| 16:17.06 | Miesco | abrotman: How do I get rid of my background in ion3? |
| 16:17.32 | Miesco | abrotman: Or any minimalist wm |
| 16:17.41 | abrotman | the image? |
| 16:17.44 | abrotman | xsetroot maybe ? |
| 16:18.00 | Miesco | thanks |
| 16:18.17 | abrotman | !background |
| 16:18.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, background is shell job control lets you start processes backgrounded. "command &". To run a command and exit a session: "command & exit;" |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | bah .. not it |
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| 16:18.56 | jeef | h3sp4wn, is anything required beyond the command you suggested? |
| 16:19.45 | hark | Miesco: or display even. the no desktop switch was to prevent it from happening.. |
| 16:19.52 | Miesco | How do you search in vim or less with case insensitivity |
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| 16:20.15 | Miesco | like /search/i or something? |
| 16:20.21 | abrotman | i bleive so |
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| 16:20.30 | mosp | which kernelversion and x is there in 3.1r4? |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | or ask #vim |
| 16:20.52 | Miesco | k |
| 16:20.57 | abrotman | mosp: Xfree and 2.4.27/2.6.8 |
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| 16:21.27 | mosp | abrotman, ok... tnx |
| 16:21.44 | hark | Miesco: better yet, use google |
| 16:21.46 | Solak | anyone here who has some experience in a system that has dual-boot Debian and Windows Vista? |
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| 16:22.09 | Solak | I now have dual-boot Windows 2000 pro / Debian stable , but I want to replace the 1st with Vista. |
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| 16:22.49 | Miesco | Okay its :set ignorecase or ic |
| 16:23.06 | sepski | Solak, whenever you install a m$ product it usualy wipes out out MBR; so i'd keep a rescue cd/floppy around |
| 16:23.24 | sepski | no experience with vista in partiqular tho |
| 16:24.45 | Solak | sepski: yes, so in that case I can boot a Knoppix cd and reinstall grub... |
| 16:24.50 | sepski | yeah |
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| 16:25.15 | abrotman | !flw |
| 16:25.15 | dpkg | [flw40] <r3v> RevSlowmo: oh... well if you want something fancy, I don't know... i don't backup anything :) |
| 16:25.18 | abrotman | wireddd: ^^ |
| 16:25.33 | wireddd | what? |
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| 16:25.47 | wireddd | oh |
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| 16:37.12 | qwertz | Hi is there a way to send a mail with attachment from cli? |
| 16:37.24 | petemc | mutt can do that |
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| 16:38.01 | pickcoder | hrm.. Xorg is still killing my box when I try to start it |
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| 16:38.47 | pickcoder | the MB beeps like during a POST notice and everything freezes. KB goes out, mouse stays powered on, and the display blanks out |
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| 16:38.58 | qwertz | petemc, thanks will have a look |
| 16:39.07 | pickcoder | I thought it was resolution on my KVM, but that's not the issue |
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| 16:39.36 | pickcoder | I have a few other Etch boxes hooked up to the KVM and they work fine on a 2.6.17 kernel setup |
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| 16:39.46 | pickcoder | I don't see that kernel in the repos anymore, though |
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| 16:41.05 | H2S04 | pickcoder, my etch boxes are not so great :-p |
| 16:41.08 | Laser2 | Please some people know which command for "fileexist" in gcc? |
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| 16:41.34 | pickcoder | H2S04: I've been running Etch on many boxen since later part of last year, with no major issues |
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| 16:41.40 | pickcoder | this is the first major problem I've run into |
| 16:41.45 | pickcoder | s/problem/annoyance |
| 16:41.48 | Miltdongs | FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST |
| 16:41.53 | Miltdongs | FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST |
| 16:41.57 | Miltdongs | FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST |
| 16:41.59 | pickcoder | I don't care about Xorg on the server |
| 16:42.01 | Miltdongs | FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST |
| 16:42.06 | simbios | ... |
| 16:42.08 | pickcoder | Miltdongs: do you need a cookie? |
| 16:42.08 | Joan_of_Arc | Rofl! |
| 16:42.09 | Miltdongs | FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST |
| 16:42.10 | simbios | hey |
| 16:42.13 | Miltdongs | FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST |
| 16:42.15 | simbios | stop it! |
| 16:42.17 | Miltdongs | FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST |
| 16:42.22 | Thms | how to update locate ?. |
| 16:42.23 | Joan_of_Arc | bai2u flooder |
| 16:42.47 | HymnToLife | !ops |
| 16:42.47 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 16:42.50 | Gnurdux | * Miltdongs (n=miltopia@n128-227-146-18.xlate.ufl.edu) has joined #debian |
| 16:42.50 | Gnurdux | * Miltdongs has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 16:42.50 | Gnurdux | <pickcoder> H2S04: I've been running Etch on many boxen since later part of last year, with no major issues |
| 16:42.50 | Gnurdux | * Miltdongs (n=miltopia@n128-227-146-18.xlate.ufl.edu) has joined #debian |
| 16:42.50 | *** kick/#debian [Gnurdux!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 16:43.10 | Joan_of_Arc | Lol, you fail |
| 16:43.10 | Gnurdux | wait, wtf? |
| 16:43.10 | Gnurdux | how come it kicks me for three lines |
| 16:43.12 | H2S04 | Gnurdux, current? |
| 16:43.13 | Fox | don't cc here |
| 16:43.13 | Gnurdux | and it doesnt kick him at all |
| 16:43.18 | Thms | !ops * Miltdongs (n=miltopia@n128-227-146-18.xlate.ufl.edu |
| 16:43.18 | Tobe | :) |
| 16:43.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: thms complains about: * Miltdongs (n=miltopia@n128-227-146-18.xlate.ufl.edu |
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| 16:43.27 | Fox | 4 lines |
| 16:43.28 | pickcoder | Gnurdux: speed and char limit |
| 16:43.30 | abrotman | he's gone .. who cares ... |
| 16:43.32 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 16:43.33 | Gnurdux | yea |
| 16:43.41 | azeem | Thms: he got kicked, no? |
| 16:43.49 | pickcoder | K-lined! |
| 16:43.52 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 16:43.52 | Thms | yeah but not banned |
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| 16:43.55 | abrotman | no .. got floodkicked |
| 16:43.57 | H2S04 | Gnurdux, it does strange things with my tulip eth card |
| 16:44.02 | abrotman | his IRC client kicked him |
| 16:44.20 | LoRez | abrotman: pickcoder is more observant than you think. |
| 16:44.27 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 16:44.37 | Tobe | abrotman, server did |
| 16:44.42 | abrotman | i only saw the first guy .. not the second |
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| 16:44.55 | Gnurdux | they seem to have removed flood control from freenodes irc daemon tho cause ive pasted shit in my own channel and it sends it all at once |
| 16:45.27 | H2S04 | that milt guy is hopping from channel to channel flooding :-p |
| 16:45.40 | H2S04 | isn't IRC a waste of time already without something that mindless |
| 16:45.52 | LoRez | H2S04: then why are you here? |
| 16:46.06 | abrotman | to watch you in action! |
| 16:46.09 | cahoot | cruel question |
| 16:46.52 | H2S04 | LoRez, cool idle points |
| 16:46.54 | H2S04 | :-p |
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| 16:47.15 | pickcoder | 'kewl idle points" |
| 16:47.31 | pickcoder | and l33t p0ints |
| 16:48.08 | py | hatter, were you the one who suggested me mondo earlier today? |
| 16:48.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're broken again |
| 16:48.57 | py | hatter: if you're, thanks a lot, it an awesome piece of software, I like it! :-) |
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| 16:50.58 | fabiim | is it possible ,trough netinst of debian , to simply use some kernel image from my hard-drive? |
| 16:51.38 | pickcoder | LoRez: I'm only observant when I'm bored.. <g> |
| 16:51.47 | stoned | fabiim: did you wipe the bootloader off? |
| 16:52.24 | stoned | fabiim: if you have grub you can tell it load a kernel |
| 16:52.34 | fabiim | no |
| 16:52.41 | stoned | no what? |
| 16:52.47 | fabiim | no i haven't wiped |
| 16:52.57 | stoned | you might wanna wipe |
| 16:53.11 | stoned | I can send you toilet paper if you'd like |
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| 16:53.24 | stoned | *ahem* so anyway, why do you want to do this? |
| 16:53.40 | fabiim | sorry my english sucks , didn't get the joke |
| 16:53.50 | fabiim | because of my network card |
| 16:54.06 | fabiim | netinst kernel doesn't support my card |
| 16:54.16 | stoned | which network card is it? |
| 16:54.36 | fabiim | marvell something , it needs the sky2 module |
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| 16:54.57 | stoned | fabiim: you might need a newer kernel. You are wanting sarge/stable or something else? you want 2.6.18 which has the sky2 driver |
| 16:55.07 | stoned | tht will work with the marvell yukon gigabit ethernet |
| 16:55.19 | stoned | fabiim: for etch, just use the daily etch netinstaller image |
| 16:55.28 | stoned | fabiim: for sarge /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:55.30 | stoned | I think |
| 16:57.01 | fabiim | thanks |
| 16:57.16 | pickcoder | gah.. I can't wait for my vacation week to get here |
| 16:58.27 | stoned | pickcoder: when? |
| 16:58.35 | janttsu_ | if i install root filesystem on raid 0 using the debian installer (no grub or lilo), how can i boot it? can i use a cd / usb for the job? |
| 16:58.41 | pickcoder | last week of Fe |
| 16:58.43 | pickcoder | Feb |
| 16:58.56 | stoned | word.. right when I move and I got lots of birthdays coming up too |
| 16:59.04 | pickcoder | no comrads to engage in cube warfare with here |
| 16:59.15 | stoned | my brother is feb 20, mom is 28, stepmom is 4th, I |
| 16:59.20 | stoned | will be 26 on march 12 |
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| 16:59.21 | stoned | heh |
| 16:59.29 | stoned | lots of pisces fruits in my family |
| 16:59.45 | stoned | oh and my twin is also of course |
| 16:59.52 | pickcoder | there are two of you? |
| 16:59.57 | stoned | yeah |
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| 17:00.04 | stoned | he is disabled, stays with my parents |
| 17:00.36 | stoned | not to mention my cousins that were a lot of them born in march |
| 17:00.39 | yassine | i want to authenticate my subversion users from my db but for some reason its not working im using mod_auth_pgsql, right now i would like to know if there are any other brilliant ways to achieve the same task with apache2 and maybe ldap or ... ? |
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| 17:01.08 | pickcoder | we're expecting twins in late Aug |
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| 17:01.13 | pickcoder | if all goes well |
| 17:01.16 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh yeh ;p |
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| 17:02.11 | enn | Hello ... I see security updates for Woody stopped last June. Does that mean there will be no patch for daylight saving time changes? |
| 17:02.21 | pickcoder | enn: probably not |
| 17:02.24 | stoned | pickcoder: congrats |
| 17:02.28 | pickcoder | you should be running Sarge anyway.. <g> |
| 17:02.38 | stoned | pickcoder: if you have any more kids you'll be contributing to the DEATH of this world. |
| 17:02.39 | pickcoder | stoned: thanks |
| 17:02.54 | stoned | This is the natural progression of life mate |
| 17:02.58 | enn | pickcoder: yes, probably so. Thanks. |
| 17:03.09 | stoned | 2 come, and 2 go. 2 kids is essentially replaying your spouse and you. |
| 17:03.14 | stoned | No more are required or needed. |
| 17:03.26 | stoned | replacing* |
| 17:03.52 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.53 | enouf | [11:43:27] <stoned> I can send you toilet paper if you'd like |
| 17:03.59 | stoned | lol |
| 17:03.59 | pickcoder | stoned: believe me.. one pregnancy with twins is going to be enough for me |
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| 17:04.04 | enouf | stoned .. don't do that! |
| 17:04.13 | stoned | do what?> |
| 17:04.13 | enouf | I spit coffee all over myself |
| 17:04.13 | pickcoder | unless the wife raises hell later for more, I'm done with it.. <g> |
| 17:04.17 | stoned | LOL |
| 17:04.20 | pickcoder | brb |
| 17:04.39 | retro_neo | how can I choose the ./configure options of a .deb I'm repackaging ? |
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| 17:05.23 | mrStabby | Backports does not have the phpmyadmin for PHP5 |
| 17:06.02 | retro_neo | I'm using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot but It to compile with specific options |
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| 17:06.59 | dkr | I have this message whenever I run sar on my etch mail server: "End of system activity file unexpected", and the timestamps aren't every 5 minutes like they shoul dbe, they are almost random: 03:30:16 PM then 10:06:24 PM then 01:36:56 PM. the crontabs look fine. this started last night at midnight when it rotated the log( I run sar every 5 minutes to pipe data into mrtg) |
| 17:07.13 | apalmieri | how do i re-install apt? |
| 17:07.16 | dkr | system time is fine, other logs are fine |
| 17:07.20 | eelmoo6 | you tell me ;) |
| 17:07.23 | apalmieri | apt seems to be broken its complaining about missing dirs in /var |
| 17:07.43 | apalmieri | unable to lock the download directory and such |
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| 17:08.46 | pickcoder | apalmieri: are you root? |
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| 17:08.51 | apalmieri | yes |
| 17:08.54 | apalmieri | uid0 - root. |
| 17:09.04 | apalmieri | the dirs are not there i just ls -ld em |
| 17:09.13 | pickcoder | apalmieri: paste the errors in a pastebn if you can |
| 17:09.35 | amee2k | where can i find that 'select apt repo' tool from the setup in etch? |
| 17:09.41 | cydork | retro_neo: in debian/rules |
| 17:10.39 | apalmieri | it wo rks now |
| 17:10.49 | retro_neo | cydork: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS ? |
| 17:10.54 | cydork | amee2k: if you are talking about apt-setup it's not there anymore. edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use netselect. |
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| 17:11.55 | cydork | retro_neo: look at ./configure line in that file you can add flags there4 |
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| 17:12.45 | amee2k | problem is this: the inode repo has a wrong md5 hash so apt-get update doesn't accept it and every time i try to install something i get an error. the packages i want are not on the netinst cd i have so i need to configure some other server as a makeshift solution until they corrected the hash |
| 17:13.30 | janttsu_ | if i install root filesystem on raid 0 using the debian installer (no grub or lilo), how can i boot it? can i use a cd / usb for the job? |
| 17:13.31 | amee2k | looks like netselect isn't installed |
| 17:14.07 | amee2k | no man and bash completion doesn't find it |
| 17:14.11 | dkr | janttsu_: why not use grub or lilo? |
| 17:14.51 | amee2k | janttsu_: you can boot grub from a cd or floppy |
| 17:15.11 | cydork | amee2k: it's netselect-apt. install it. |
| 17:15.15 | janttsu_ | but booting raid 0 isn't so simple with grub either |
| 17:15.22 | cydork | amee2k: there is apt-spy too. |
| 17:15.30 | amee2k | cydork: is it on the netinst disk? |
| 17:15.47 | war | you cannot boot raid0 |
| 17:15.54 | war | make a raid1 /boot |
| 17:15.57 | dkr | janttsu_: yes it is, you just need to pass the right kernel options |
| 17:16.01 | war | and make the rest (second partition) raid0 |
| 17:16.10 | war | you can only boot raid1 or single disk in linux (for sw raid) |
| 17:16.12 | cydork | amee2k: nope dont think so. |
| 17:16.17 | janttsu_ | war: that's exaclty what i didn't want |
| 17:16.18 | dkr | ah, missed that |
| 17:16.35 | amee2k | then i can't install it doesn't accept the repo because of the broken hash on the server |
| 17:16.37 | dkr | just make a small /boot partition, :) |
| 17:16.51 | janttsu_ | dkr: i only boot once after the install.. |
| 17:17.03 | amee2k | nope, not on the netinst disk |
| 17:17.13 | yang | is there a debian package similar to "john the ripper" the password cracker? |
| 17:17.40 | amee2k | can someone quickly paste the deb lines for some other (not inode.at) repo in PM please? |
| 17:18.16 | cydork | amee2k: change sarge to etch --> /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 17:18.54 | amee2k | oh, nice. ty |
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| 17:19.17 | tzafrir_laptop | yang, john? |
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| 17:19.20 | myren | whoo X 7.2! maybe my notebook will work again |
| 17:19.36 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: or was it jack |
| 17:19.41 | Loevborg | Does anyone know a way to print a .PDF file (viz. a journal article) so that the content is scaled optimally to fit the page (minimum margin, but keep aspect ratio)? |
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| 17:20.53 | tzafrir_laptop | there was a package called "john" in Sarge. I don't see it in Etch. |
| 17:21.03 | bzed | Loevborg: adobe acrobat reader does this job |
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| 17:21.39 | samyboy | Hi |
| 17:21.41 | bzed | tzafrir_laptop: was removed because nobody took care of it. it had RC bugs |
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| 17:21.46 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: http://www.openwall.com/john/ |
| 17:22.01 | Loevborg | bzed: on linux, too? it can't find the option here |
| 17:22.22 | tzafrir_laptop | well, if it's important enough for yang... |
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| 17:22.56 | yang | tzafrir_laptop: ok, i will use the one from sarge |
| 17:23.56 | xNinja | i am using debian test 4.0 and cant find build-essentials what to do |
| 17:24.09 | hark | drop the s |
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| 17:24.27 | ix | heheh |
| 17:25.35 | xNinja | cant find |
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| 17:26.09 | hark | !b-e xNinja |
| 17:26.09 | dpkg | xNinja: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 17:26.26 | plnome | hi has anyone a source.list with unstable debian repos for sarge for me? |
| 17:26.49 | Mooi | Hello, is there any graphical software that would allow you to different types of diagrams (such as histograms, curves, dots, etc.) and would allow rendering into PNG images, or preferably - SVG? |
| 17:27.09 | hark | plnome: for sarge? try bpo instead. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:27.15 | xNinja | Couldn't find package build-essential |
| 17:27.41 | hark | xNinja: paste your sources.list. /msg dpkg paster |
| 17:27.49 | pickcoder-mtg | xNinja: try another mirror and then aptitude update |
| 17:28.10 | hark | !mtg |
| 17:28.10 | dpkg | somebody said mtg was Magic: The Gathering, an extremely addictive (and expensive) collectible card game made by Wizards of the Coast. |
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| 17:28.41 | pickcoder-mtg | it's also short for meeting |
| 17:28.51 | hark | heh |
| 17:29.35 | zenwryly | I can't find an apt-key for http://people.debian.org/~srivasta. Is there a way to get apt to not check signatures? |
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| 17:30.01 | xNinja | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5410 |
| 17:30.37 | Flimzy | I need some sort of boot process debugger |
| 17:30.47 | pickcoder-mtg | xNinja: er... well thars yur problem.. no repos for normal packages |
| 17:30.50 | hark | xNinja: yeah, no wonder |
| 17:31.05 | pickcoder-mtg | ok. I'm really gone this time |
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| 17:31.33 | xNinja | is there a repositories which i can use ? |
| 17:31.54 | hark | xNinja: look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
| 17:31.59 | hark | !sources.list |
| 17:31.59 | dpkg | it has been said that sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
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| 17:32.22 | hark | xNinja: replace sarge with etch ^ |
| 17:32.24 | h3sp4wn | jeef: did you get it working ? |
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| 17:36.01 | plnome | pleae, just need a line like "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free" for unstable |
| 17:36.07 | plnome | "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" does not work |
| 17:36.26 | wwallace_lap | enouf: wuz up? |
| 17:36.36 | stew | do any of those pre-canned firewall thingies like shorewall or firehol or whatever the heck poeple use handle split access well? anyone know? |
| 17:36.47 | hark | plnome: well, /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 17:36.49 | stew | i don't have time for the amount of complexity that has gotten into my firewall script |
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| 17:37.30 | bzed | Loevborg: pretty sure, yes. I don't have it installed here, though |
| 17:37.58 | Loevborg | bzed: it has an option, but it doesn't seem to work, with this pdf here at least |
| 17:38.02 | plnome | ? |
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| 17:39.46 | plnome | hark i doent really got what to do with " /msg dpkg iyhtays" sry |
| 17:39.53 | bbelt16a1 | hi |
| 17:40.01 | plnome | cant you just post a line from your sources.list or smth? |
| 17:40.06 | bbelt16ag | hello2 |
| 17:40.14 | wwallace_lap | can anyone give me the link to install debian 4.0? |
| 17:40.25 | hark | !d-i |
| 17:40.25 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 17:40.45 | wwallace_lap | hark: thanks |
| 17:40.49 | wwallace_lap | but i want etch |
| 17:41.32 | hark | yes, the second link ^ |
| 17:41.32 | wwallace_lap | oh sorry |
| 17:41.32 | wwallace_lap | thanks |
| 17:41.32 | daxxar | abrotman: Sorry, you said 'look for pinning' - what did you mean? |
| 17:41.32 | wwallace_lap | hi abrotman |
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| 17:42.06 | steve_dondley | I'm running debian sarge, how do I determine what version of glibc I have? |
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| 17:42.20 | bzed | dpkg -S libc6 |
| 17:42.20 | dpkg | You Fool! libc6 is installed! |
| 17:42.48 | wwallace_lap | glibc --version? |
| 17:43.01 | bzed | lol |
| 17:43.03 | stew | steve_dondley: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:43.09 | steve_dondley | thanks |
| 17:43.11 | hark | heh, dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:43.11 | bzed | err yes |
| 17:43.13 | bzed | not -S |
| 17:43.15 | gba | Hi, I am running Etch(standard install, which has installed gcc-4.1). For the "#include <stdio.h>" directive gcc tells me "File not found" . I searched for stdio.h (with find) and found it under /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/include. Why doesn't gcc find it? |
| 17:43.20 | enouf | wwallace_lap: hi .. |
| 17:43.29 | wwallace_lap | hi enouf hows everything man? |
| 17:43.32 | stew | gba: install build-essential |
| 17:43.39 | enouf | wwallace_lap: please try and address the whole channel .. not specific individuals |
| 17:43.52 | gba | stew, okay will try it |
| 17:43.52 | enouf | wwallace_lap: just d a n d y ;-) |
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| 17:44.36 | steve_dondley | stew, that did it. Now I originally tried dpkg -l glibc* and got glibc-2.2.3.ds1-22s. What is that? |
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| 17:47.51 | abrotman | daxxar: in your apt.conf |
| 17:47.52 | enouf | wwallace_lap: yo .. sure |
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| 17:48.04 | daxxar | I have no apt.conf - and apt.conf.d only has a file with DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; |
| 17:48.10 | enouf | wwallace_lap: just tell the installler which partition you want to use .. the layout and such |
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| 17:49.20 | wwallace_lap | !fromiso |
| 17:49.46 | enouf | wwallace_lap: you read the /msg dpkg ig instructions |
| 17:50.20 | wwallace_lap | where are they? |
| 17:50.20 | enouf | type that into your irc client |
| 17:50.20 | gba | stew, thank you, your tip helped me |
| 17:50.21 | enouf | wwallace_lap: /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:50.29 | yell0w | happy new year guys! |
| 17:50.31 | yell0w | =)) |
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| 17:50.46 | enouf | dpkg what are you? |
| 17:50.46 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:55.08 | tjostolf | I run Sarge and kde + not too many packages installed, and I want to dist-upgrade to etch. apt-get dist-upgrade tells me that 650MB additional disk space will be use. Is that just a normal growth of Debian, or is there probably a lot of packages that I won't need anymore that apt leaves on my disk? |
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| 17:56.10 | fsmunoz | tjostolf, dist-upgrade should remove any unneeded packages with a clear upgrade path... but deborphan prior and after is probably a good idea |
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| 17:56.42 | tjostolf | Will deborphan remove any appreachable amount of packages? |
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| 17:57.01 | enouf | tsurko: see what aptitude dist-upgrade in simulation/dry run mode says about it .. you DID do an apt-get update already AND a dist-upgrade within Sarge already .. yes? |
| 17:57.20 | wmn | where can i find channel for electronic desing sotwares? |
| 17:57.21 | enouf | sorry .. er tjostolf |
| 17:57.33 | fsmunoz | tjostolf, you can see the totally new stuff that dist-upgrade will install... save that to a file and aftewartds try to remove what you think makes little sense. I'm pretty sure that the new packages will be needed in your new system. |
| 17:57.50 | wmn | #flood |
| 17:57.59 | enouf | wmn: wtf? |
| 17:59.23 | wmn | !flood |
| 17:59.23 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:59.25 | enouf | wmn: are you referring to CAD type apps? .. er I haven't looked into any of them lately |
| 17:59.40 | wmn | enouf, yah |
| 17:59.51 | tjostolf | fsmunoz: apt-get tells me, but the list is loong. Thank you for answer. I'll see what aptitude says.. |
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| 18:00.13 | fsmunoz | tjostolf, aptitude shouldn't tell you anything different, it's just a different frontend. |
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| 18:00.49 | enouf | wmn: start with apt-cache search cad .. channel search maybe using "/cs list #*cad*" (no quotes) .. check lists.debian.org .. googlegroups even |
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| 18:01.27 | tjostolf | fsmunoz: ok |
| 18:01.45 | fsmunoz | tjostolf, also, I'm not sure that apt-get removes the space of alreays installed apps in the estimate it gives... i.e. if you have 12M of emacs and there is an upgrade, I think apt says that 12M will be used, even if it will not be "new" space... |
| 18:02.01 | enouf | tjostolf: fsmunoz yeah .. forgot that dist-upgrade also "removes" as aptitude does.. but I'm not sure if any config files get leftover using apt-get |
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| 18:02.52 | enouf | tjostolf: make SURE you're running Kerenl version is NOT in that list to be removed ;-) |
| 18:02.54 | fsmunoz | enouf, they get left over I think. Not sure if --purge makes sense with dist-upgrade to apt-get |
| 18:03.37 | fsmunoz | Maybe it does, must try it... not that I do that many dist-upgrades. |
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| 18:04.08 | enouf | tjostolf: it happens sometimes .. also /msg dpkg sarge->etch .. also if it does say it'll remove running kernel, then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.686 (meta pkg, transitional) |
| 18:04.16 | enouf | bah |
| 18:04.26 | enouf | 2.6-686 |
| 18:04.29 | enouf | IIRC |
| 18:05.24 | enouf | deborphan and debfoster? should help clean out any leftovers ;-) |
| 18:05.34 | tjostolf | enouf: kernel is not removed |
| 18:05.36 | fsmunoz | tjostolf, forget my idea, apt-get is clever enough, it deduces the used space to the calculation. It reports additional space that will be used. |
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| 18:05.47 | baikonur | hi |
| 18:05.54 | enouf | tjostolf: nice .. mow /msg dpkg sarge->etch if you haven't already |
| 18:06.04 | xNinja | hey i cant find lspci in etch... |
| 18:06.06 | enouf | s/mownow |
| 18:06.10 | enouf | gah |
| 18:06.15 | enouf | s/mow/now |
| 18:06.28 | baikonur | how can I use multiple e-mail addresses with a single gpg key? |
| 18:06.28 | wwallace_lap | how d i know if samba is running? |
| 18:06.32 | enouf | xNinja: why not? |
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| 18:06.40 | enouf | xNinja: apt-get install pciutils |
| 18:06.44 | fsmunoz | xNinja, do you have pciutils installed? |
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| 18:06.55 | GeorgeS069 | wwallace_lap: ps aux|grep smbd |
| 18:07.08 | fsmunoz | baikonur, yes |
| 18:07.13 | fsmunoz | baikonur, as many as you wantr |
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| 18:07.39 | wwallace_lap | thanks GeorgeS069 |
| 18:07.40 | enouf | baikonur: maybe you can export them into each various email addy .. dunno man gpg .. se ~/.gnupg |
| 18:07.43 | zenwryly | Is there anyway to turn off key checking for a particular apt source? |
| 18:07.44 | GeorgeS069 | yw |
| 18:08.31 | apalmieri | is anybody running flowscan up in here? |
| 18:08.40 | tjostolf | enouf: I've done what /msg .. tells, except I use apt-get and have not subscribed. But thank you. |
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| 18:09.01 | enouf | tjostolf: subscribned |
| 18:09.03 | enouf | ? |
| 18:09.09 | xNinja | thanks fsmunoz :D |
| 18:09.22 | baikonur | fsmunoz: how do I add a new email address to an existing key? is this even a recommend approach or is it better to have seperate keys for each email address for privacy reasons? |
| 18:09.33 | enouf | tjostolf: Oh .. ok .. not an issue at all .. |
| 18:09.35 | fsmunoz | xNinja, enouf made it first :) |
| 18:09.48 | fsmunoz | baikonur, see here: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x165A9742 |
| 18:09.49 | enouf | !prize me |
| 18:10.00 | fsmunoz | baikonur, it's my key with around 10 emails |
| 18:10.05 | xNinja | then thanks to both of u :D |
| 18:10.06 | Caitriona | baikonur, subkeys. |
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| 18:10.12 | fsmunoz | baikonur, well.. I think it's saner to keep one key |
| 18:10.16 | Guza | hi |
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| 18:10.23 | Guza | how can i install mysql |
| 18:10.24 | Guza | ? |
| 18:10.28 | apalmieri | Removing kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 ... |
| 18:10.32 | gulars | apt-get install mysql |
| 18:10.34 | gulars | :P |
| 18:10.34 | Emky | hi |
| 18:10.35 | apalmieri | why is debian trying to remove my kernel when i apt-get install apache2? |
| 18:10.37 | Guza | nope |
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| 18:10.42 | fsmunoz | baikonur, to make everything easier install seahorse... adding a new email is fairly intuitive. |
| 18:10.46 | Guza | don't |
| 18:10.47 | Guza | work |
| 18:10.48 | Guza | :S |
| 18:10.50 | enouf | xNinja: might as well install hwinfo, lshw, dmidecode, lsscsi too ;-) |
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| 18:11.10 | Emky | luv 2 meet me |
| 18:11.10 | Caitriona | baikonur, it's probably a good idea to have an "offline" key that you only use for signing. |
| 18:11.26 | xNinja | can someone help me here: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 18:11.26 | xNinja | kernel? |
| 18:11.50 | Guza | Guza:/usr/lib/postgresql/bin# apt-get install mysql |
| 18:11.50 | Guza | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:11.50 | Guza | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 18:11.50 | Guza | Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:11.50 | Guza | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 18:12.18 | apalmieri | yo |
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| 18:12.22 | apalmieri | why is it trying to remove my kernel |
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| 18:12.27 | enouf | apalmieri: is that you're running kernel? perhaps it conflicts ..IOW, you can't use that kernelwith apache2 .. dunno |
| 18:12.37 | Emky | hi |
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| 18:13.00 | Emky | hi |
| 18:13.31 | xNinja | can someone help me here: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel....? i am using etch |
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| 18:14.00 | Guza | someone can help? |
| 18:14.06 | enouf | xNinja: it's in the /usr/src/* directory .. should be |
| 18:14.10 | HymnToLife | xNinja, sudo apt-get instal linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:14.28 | enouf | HymnToLife: that's only .h files IINM |
| 18:14.39 | Mooi | is there any graphical software that would allow you to different types of diagrams (such as histograms, curves, dots, etc.) and would allow rendering into PNG images, or preferably - SVG? |
| 18:14.42 | HymnToLife | yes |
| 18:14.49 | HymnToLife | that's Header files.... |
| 18:15.06 | HymnToLife | H for Headers, it's all connected, man ! :p |
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| 18:16.09 | enouf | xNinja: nice site, if you don't want to install the src http://lxr.linux.no/blurb.html |
| 18:16.22 | xNinja | The path "/usr/src" is an existing directory, but it does not contain at least |
| 18:16.22 | xNinja | one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. |
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| 18:18.03 | baikonur | Caitriona: offline key for signing? |
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| 18:18.38 | apalmieri | http://pastebin.com/882438 |
| 18:18.40 | apalmieri | thats my problem |
| 18:18.45 | Caitriona | baikonur, a key that you keep on secure media |
| 18:18.52 | Caitriona | ie, not stored on the computer |
| 18:19.20 | Caitriona | that you can use to sign things (such as keys you use for general purposes, contracts, and the like) |
| 18:19.42 | enouf | xNinja: you ahve to install the src if you want it locally |
| 18:19.59 | xNinja | enouf so what to do |
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| 18:20.08 | enouf | !tell xNinja about apt howto |
| 18:20.28 | Caitriona | ie, one that implies a higher level of trust, because it's not stored on the computer, and if really paranoid, you reboot into a livecd to use it. |
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| 18:20.37 | baikonur | fsmunoz: can you tell me what do I have to look for in the gnupg documentation concerning multiple email-addresses and one key? |
| 18:20.40 | fsmunoz | Mooi, gnuplot probably can... |
| 18:20.42 | enouf | xNinja: you basically make/check for an deb-src entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:20.55 | Mooi | graphically controlled.. |
| 18:20.55 | fsmunoz | Mooi, not a very user friendly affair though |
| 18:20.59 | baikonur | Caitriona: ah okay, thanks |
| 18:20.59 | fsmunoz | Mooi, ehe |
| 18:21.08 | enouf | xNinja: then apt-get source linux-image-XXXX |
| 18:21.25 | Mooi | there is so much software that plots...except none that does it for n00bs graphically :) |
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| 18:21.40 | apalmieri | guys could someone take a look at my problem i pasted it at http://pastebin.com/882438 |
| 18:21.40 | Caitriona | baikonur, keep key revocation certs on same media |
| 18:22.10 | fsmunoz | Mooi, only thing I know is the OO spreadsheet... probably to simple to your needs. Most others seemd to be command line. There seems to exist a GNOME frontend to gnuplot though, plotdrop |
| 18:22.19 | enouf | xNinja: like so -> for ex; "deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib" |
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| 18:22.33 | Mooi | fsmunoz: oh, thanks for that, i'll try it |
| 18:22.39 | xNinja | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 18:22.41 | fsmunoz | baikonur, well, sure... gpg --edit-key ... |
| 18:22.57 | enouf | xNinja: no .. that;s only the Security repos |
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| 18:24.27 | abrotman | and that security repo is pretty useless |
| 18:24.32 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:24.32 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:24.35 | xNinja | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel....? |
| 18:24.40 | Mooi | fsmunoz: that is too simple too.. :( |
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| 18:24.59 | hark | xNinja: install the headers first |
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| 18:25.20 | fsmunoz | Mooi, suspected that much... I'm out of ideas then, sorry.. |
| 18:25.31 | abrotman | apalmieri: stop mixing |
| 18:25.33 | Mooi | thanks for help though :] |
| 18:25.44 | xNinja | what about apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-all |
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| 18:25.57 | Guza | noone know how to install mysql |
| 18:25.58 | Guza | ? |
| 18:26.18 | infernix | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 18:26.21 | amphi | Guza: no, no one dos |
| 18:26.23 | amphi | *does |
| 18:26.38 | AciD | apt-get install mysql-common |
| 18:26.47 | AciD | or what infernix said |
| 18:26.55 | Guza | tnx |
| 18:26.56 | Guza | :) |
| 18:27.13 | hark | ah, the infamous infernix ;) |
| 18:27.28 | infernix | infamous? |
| 18:27.33 | abrotman | more than famous |
| 18:27.42 | infernix | how so, what'd i miss |
| 18:27.44 | hark | you have quite a fan following |
| 18:27.51 | infernix | i do? |
| 18:27.53 | abrotman | what .. noone gets the reference?!? |
| 18:28.01 | AciD | no |
| 18:28.16 | fsmunoz | YOu're alone there abrotman |
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| 18:28.24 | abrotman | Dusty Bottoms: What does that mean, in-famous? |
| 18:28.24 | abrotman | Ned Nederlander: Oh, Dusty. In-famous is when you're MORE than famous. This man El Guapo, he's not just famous, he's IN-famous. |
| 18:28.38 | abrotman | you're all fired .. go home and watch Three Amigos |
| 18:28.43 | fsmunoz | Ahhhh |
| 18:28.43 | amee2k | (iptables) does "--state NEW" match TCP SYN packets? |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | only asg gets the references .. the rest of you are useless! |
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| 18:28.58 | infernix | all i see of fans is an occasional turd dropping in here who starts to flame me. so much for infamy ;) |
| 18:29.15 | infernix | and i've yet to find out why, really |
| 18:29.46 | apalmieri | mixing what? |
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| 18:30.03 | apalmieri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:30.09 | xNinja | ok i instaled all the headers :P |
| 18:30.10 | apalmieri | why kernel image keeps on showing when i run apt-get update |
| 18:30.11 | xNinja | then what |
| 18:30.17 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:30.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:30.37 | enouf | xNinja: apt-get -s source linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 18:30.48 | enouf | xNinja: that'll simulate hte install |
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| 18:31.13 | enouf | xNinja: remove the -s once you're ready .. RTFM apt howto ;-) |
| 18:31.16 | xNinja | Fetch source linux-2.6 |
| 18:31.20 | JordiGH | Whence does Iceweasel get its dictionary file? |
| 18:31.21 | xNinja | lol |
| 18:31.34 | JordiGH | And moreover, how do I change the language in which it spellchecks? |
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| 18:32.31 | xNinja | loooool |
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| 18:33.08 | enouf | xNinja: please .. just read as much as yuou can .. apt-get install linux-doc-($uname -r) too |
| 18:33.25 | enouf | xNinja: and /msg dpkg reference |
| 18:33.33 | ulf_k_ | hello, i had a worsecase ext3 delete case, i dont know why but my 40gb /home partition is almost empty |
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| 18:35.25 | xNinja | enouf ok but can u tellme the location of the C header files that match the running kernel ?? |
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| 18:36.00 | bingofuel | hello |
| 18:36.01 | JordiGH | Wow. I guess you people don't use Iceweasel much... or think I should rtfm. ;-) |
| 18:36.07 | enouf | xNinja: man find man dlocate |
| 18:36.11 | ulf_k_ | i noticed it because of havy harddrive activity so finaly i hard turned off |
| 18:36.20 | ole | what's the fastest way get a working ssh on a machine without OS and continue installation remotely |
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| 18:36.47 | ulf_k_ | is a filerecover passible with ext3 |
| 18:36.50 | enouf | xNinja: you keep asking the same f*ken question .. you got the answer much earlier of where they are |
| 18:36.57 | stew | ole: boot a livecd like ubuntu or knoppix, start sshd, then install with debootstrap |
| 18:37.00 | abrotman | ole: there's an option for that to start an ssh server with the installer |
| 18:37.15 | enouf | !tell xNinja -about search |
| 18:37.20 | stew | xNinja: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 18:37.44 | ulf_k_ | i have no idea why this happend, mayby hacked, maybe rm -r * but i guess i would never type in such a command |
| 18:38.05 | xNinja | /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/build |
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| 18:38.10 | infernix | ulf_k_: short answer, no. long answer, if you know the content of the files you can grep the raw partition and filter the data from there, but that'd only work for text files. |
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| 18:39.16 | bingofuel | can anyone can help me with the instalttion of Debian.. give an error when running 40netcfg, say me "tar: invalid tar magic" after of "insmod ne2k-pci" |
| 18:39.25 | ulf_k_ | so i dd if=/sda7 of=/tmp/dump |
| 18:39.26 | kingsley | Does "kill -9" render any system resource or resources, like RAM for example, unusable until the system is rebooted? |
| 18:39.29 | stew | xNinja: that is the location of the c header files that match the runnign kernel, if they are installed |
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| 18:39.41 | wmn | i new to etch , ive downloaded it from the debian site. |
| 18:39.41 | stew | kingsley: no |
| 18:39.54 | ulf_k_ | and then i cat for some stuff |
| 18:40.15 | kingsley | bingofuel: Have you searched google's archives for the error message? |
| 18:40.20 | JordiGH | kingsley: What a strange idea. No. If no process is using the memory, the memory is free or disk cache. |
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| 18:40.43 | bingofuel | kingsley: yes :S, say that is an error of the cd |
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| 18:40.56 | bingofuel | kingsly :but the cd is ok |
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| 18:41.43 | wmn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.58 | kingsley | JordiGH: My concern was that kill's "-9" option may corrupt the kernel's memory managment tables and thus leave some RAM unusable until rebooting. |
| 18:42.10 | vulture | wmn: 2 cds for netinst?.. |
| 18:42.23 | wmn | vulture, no 1 cd |
| 18:42.24 | bonez39 | what's a fast, efficient text mode news reader? |
| 18:42.36 | wmn | vulture, but burned 2 times |
| 18:42.44 | vulture | & lost both. so what're you doing now? |
| 18:42.57 | stew | wmn: how are you trying to mount the cd? |
| 18:43.05 | wmn | vulture, yes i cant mount both |
| 18:43.08 | fsmunoz | bonez39, slrn? |
| 18:43.09 | bingofuel | kingsley:I already installed with this cd in the same PC, and before being able to install it, appear this error. i don't know how it solves. but when try to install it again, the error still appearing |
| 18:43.16 | kingsley | bonez39: My prefernce in "nn". |
| 18:43.22 | stew | wmn: what command are you using to mount them? what error do you get? |
| 18:43.35 | JordiGH | kingsley: The problem with dashninig is just that the process may not be given a chance to save whatever information it normally saves when it isn't dashnined. |
| 18:43.54 | fsmunoz | bonez39, I used to use "tin" though, pretty simple. |
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| 18:44.35 | wmn | stew,knight-desktop:/home/knight# mount /dev/cdrom |
| 18:44.36 | wmn | mount: Not a directory |
| 18:44.37 | bonez39 | thanks.... |
| 18:45.02 | bonez39 | and fsmunoz that resolved several problems...that chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf the other day....THANK Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 18:45.04 | stew | wmn: what does "grep cdrom /etc/fstab" say? |
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| 18:45.18 | F-Lelo | How do I find out what is the netbios name of an IP Address using Samba? |
| 18:45.26 | stew | F-Lelo: maybe ask #samba :P |
| 18:45.32 | wmn | stew, /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 18:45.43 | F-Lelo | stew: I'm there but no answer hehehehe |
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| 18:46.13 | wmn | stew, but other cds are automounting |
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| 18:46.24 | stew | wmn: so there is no /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab so you should be telling it where to mount; how about "mount /dev/cdrom /mnt" ? |
| 18:46.26 | F-Lelo | stew: you're everywhere |
| 18:46.27 | F-Lelo | hehehe |
| 18:46.47 | stew | wmn: what is automounting them? g-v-m? |
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| 18:47.25 | ole | stew, once I create the base system with debootstrap, how do I install it in the remote machine? |
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| 18:48.01 | wmn | stew, ive tried it but still getting errors like block device /dev/cdrom is write protected |
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| 18:48.23 | stew | wmn: that's not an error, you can't write to cds |
| 18:48.26 | stew | err |
| 18:48.34 | stew | wmn: you can't mount them read-write at least |
| 18:48.55 | wmn | !flood |
| 18:48.56 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:49.05 | stew | ole: what do you mean? creating the base system with debootstrap IS installing it on the remote machine |
| 18:49.50 | nivanson | Anybody know if new xorg will be into experimental soon? :) |
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| 18:50.01 | ole | I mean I'm currently making a base-system on /tmp/blah in my machine, once I get it, who do I install it on the remote machine? |
| 18:50.32 | stew | ole: run debootstrap on the remote machine to install to a partition that will become the root partition |
| 18:50.34 | wmn | stew, could you pls check http://channels.debian.net/paste/5413 |
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| 18:51.16 | stew | wmn: what does "ls /mnt" say now? |
| 18:51.28 | stew | wmn: what is the host os here? is it debian? |
| 18:51.29 | enouf | stew: dunno what's going on with my setup here , but find /usr/src/linux*/ -type f -name "*.h" seems to locate my header files .. unfortunately, I can't get find /usr/src/$(uname -r)/ -type f -name "*.h" to work .. (I realise the DIR is "linux-headers-2.6.16-3-686" and `uname -r`) I know i;m missing/overlooking something simple |
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| 18:51.41 | wmn | stew, yes |
| 18:51.53 | wmn | stew, it doesnt say anything |
| 18:52.43 | enouf | stew: i also realize that first command will list all headers installed for various kernels perhaps .. just a matter of finding the version you want ;-) |
| 18:53.00 | plazia | I have installed php5 and apache and they all work and that... except when I try http://my.host.name/ when there is an index.php file in there it just lists the contents of the directory. I undersand you need to use the directoryindex directive but in the debian apache2 conf file I can't see that anywhere. |
| 18:53.38 | stew | enouf: "find /usr/src/linux*/ ..." is going to break if there is more than one match (since find only takes one directory argument) |
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| 18:54.13 | enouf | stew: ok .. makes sense .. got an alternative? |
| 18:54.18 | stew | and i would expect find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name "*.h" to work, but not "find /usr/src/$(uname -r) -name "*.h" |
| 18:54.29 | wmn | stew, i was wrong in one point the drive is not automounting |
| 18:54.48 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I find out the build parameters (--with-... etc.) of a package? |
| 18:54.48 | stew | wmn: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 18:54.49 | enouf | stew: i notice a symlink in there .. is that why yours might/will works? |
| 18:55.00 | stew | netman1: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:55.02 | wmn | stew, debian sarge |
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| 18:55.13 | netman1 | stew: Ok thanks. Sorry. |
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| 18:55.25 | stew | enouf: if you install the headers package the build symlink should be pointing to the headers |
| 18:55.42 | stew | netman1: no need to appologize. the file you are lookikng for is debian/rules in the source |
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| 18:55.58 | JordiGH | If I do as normal user "tar -czvf etc_backup.tar.gz /etc > output", then the permission errors get dumped to the console while the actual ouput gets piped into the file. How can I do the reverse? |
| 18:56.39 | stew | JordiGH: tar ..... 2> output |
| 18:56.44 | wmn | ls /mnt doesnt show anything |
| 18:57.01 | enouf | stew: righto .. that's what I ws thinking ..so even though the header files are actually located in /usr/src/ .. the shell command workaround to find them using find and the $(uname -r) variable, is just that .. a shell/syntax workaround |
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| 18:57.46 | JordiGH | stew: I've never understood that syntax. Is it in the bash manpage? |
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| 18:58.48 | JordiGH | It is. Found it. Thanks. |
| 18:59.08 | squisher | Hi, is anyone here using Gigabit? I'm trying to set my MTU to get jumbo sized frames, but it does not seem to work |
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| 18:59.41 | squisher | ifconfig shows an MTU of 9000, but I can't do a ping -s with sizes greater than the usual 1500.... |
| 18:59.42 | quetz | has anyone gotten an intel xserve to boot with debian? |
| 19:00.11 | GeorgeS069 | squisher: most gigabit hubs/switches do not support jumbo frames |
| 19:00.25 | squisher | GeorgeS069: the docs of mine claim it does |
| 19:00.37 | squisher | GeorgeS069: and if it didn't, shouldn't my connectivity just break down? |
| 19:00.47 | wmn | stew, should it be problem with downloading? ive used wget -c ... |
| 19:00.52 | squisher | Instead, it seems ifconfig shows the higher MTU, but it's working with 1500 anyways.... |
| 19:01.04 | infernix | squisher: is the receiver on jumbo frames as well? |
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| 19:01.14 | wmn | stew, and burned wih k3b |
| 19:01.30 | quetz | :> |
| 19:01.31 | GeorgeS069 | squisher: ok...maybe you got lucky :) also...the whole lan must be all gigabit and support jumbo frames...from what I understand of it atleast. |
| 19:02.51 | squisher | infernix: Yeah, both show MTU 9000 |
| 19:03.11 | wmn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.12 | squisher | GeorgeS069: It's just the sender and receiver right now, both are gigabit. |
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| 19:03.23 | infernix | squisher: well then it makes sense to conclude that your switch isn't capable of 9k frames. tried 4.5k frames? |
| 19:03.47 | squisher | GeorgeS069: FYI - http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/GS608.aspx?detail=Specifications |
| 19:04.16 | squisher | infernix: See the link I just posted for GeorgeS069... it says it is. Also, I've tried 4000, 7200 with the same result |
| 19:04.20 | stew | JordiGH: 1 is stdout 2 is stderr, one is the default so when you do "> output" you are really doing "1> output". normally, both stdout and stderr go to console. when you direct "1> output" then stdout goes to the file and only stderr remains going to the terminal |
| 19:04.27 | stew | JordiGH: google for "bash redirection" |
| 19:04.32 | infernix | squisher: which network drivers are you using? |
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| 19:04.44 | infernix | squisher: e.g. what NICs do you have |
| 19:04.44 | squisher | infernix: forcedeth on one side, and e1000 on the other |
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| 19:05.04 | l_lama | hi all |
| 19:05.06 | stew | wmn: i'm not convinced that there is a problem with the cds, your mount command is acting strangely |
| 19:05.51 | infernix | squisher: ah, forcedeth. I've had my share of problems with that one. either way, try to send pings from one end to the other and see if the ethernet frames are received (use promisc and tethereal/tcpdump). maybe they can't be processed on one side |
| 19:05.56 | wmn | stew, but i can easily mount other cds |
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| 19:06.12 | wmn | stew, ive tried it just now |
| 19:06.32 | l_lama | How could I force php5-cgi in etch to read my own php.ini and conf.d ? I try with export PHPRC=/path/ro/cfgdir/ - it reads php.it from that localtion, but still reading additional files from /etc/php5/cgi/conf.d |
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| 19:06.43 | stew | wmn: can you loop mount the .isos you downloaded? |
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| 19:07.35 | squisher | infernix: the weird thing is, after I switch both sides to the higher MTU, I can ping and communicate in general just fine. But I can't ping with more than -s 1490 .... |
| 19:07.45 | wmn | stew, sorry im not familiar with loop mount |
| 19:07.52 | squisher | infernix: it seems both sides just ignore my MTU setting. |
| 19:08.34 | stew | wmn: mount -o loop /path/to/.iso /mnt |
| 19:08.49 | infernix | squisher: well it could be that forcedeth's handling is broken. download and compile ethtool to see if they really are linked on 1000mbit, and maybe up the msglevel to see debug output in your kernel log |
| 19:10.42 | bhundven | mii-tool should also help |
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| 19:11.06 | squisher | infernix: ethtool shows 1000Mbit on both sides. |
| 19:11.07 | infernix | bhundven: mii-tool doesnt handle gbit |
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| 19:11.08 | squisher | infernix: but e1000 should handle it just fine. So why is it communicating with the forcedeth if it correctly set the MTU to 9000, but the forcedeth did not? :-) |
| 19:11.08 | squisher | infernix: how do I up the msglevel? |
| 19:11.08 | bhundven | ah. well crap |
| 19:11.12 | wmn | stew, i dont have the iso file now |
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| 19:11.23 | infernix | squisher: then up the msglevel, set to promisc and check with tcpdump. i personally would blame forcedeth. ethtool -s msglvl %%d ethX, see man ethtool |
| 19:11.37 | infernix | squisher: remember to try on both sides |
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| 19:12.04 | squisher | infernix: thanks for the help, let me give that a show |
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| 19:12.10 | squisher | s/show/shot/ |
| 19:12.49 | GeorgeS069 | squisher: I'm just guessing here but,perhaps it tries the 9000 mtu and if or when it gets errors it switches down to 1500 |
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| 19:13.03 | Rusty1 | hello, is there a apt command that will list the files a package has installed? |
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| 19:13.40 | stew | Rusty1: dpkg -L packagename |
| 19:14.12 | Rusty1 | dpkg --listfiles package |
| 19:14.52 | wmn | stew, if i have trouble mounting the iso file should it be a problem with downloading? |
| 19:14.52 | Rusty1 | stew ty |
| 19:14.54 | JordiGH | dpkg, hello! |
| 19:14.54 | dpkg | Hi, jordigh! |
| 19:14.54 | squisher | GeorgeS069: Yeah, that could definitely be the case... but I know that the e1000 driver supports it... so why would it switch down? And if any of the drivers switch down, why does ifconfig still show the higher MTU? |
| 19:15.16 | wmn | stew, i dont have the iso file now so i cant ry it |
| 19:15.52 | stew | wmn: well if you didn't have trouble mounting the iso, i'd say there was definatly no problem in the download |
| 19:16.09 | stew | wmn: but if you can't i dunno, since i think your mount command is giving some strnage output |
| 19:16.46 | infernix | squisher: i don't think it switches down. if it would, then it would fragment the 9k packet to 1500 and you'd get replies, which isnt happening. just guessing here tho. |
| 19:16.48 | stew | wmn: it seems to me that when you say "mount /dev/cdrom" it should complain that /dev/cdrom isn't in /etc/fstab. it seems that whan you run "mount /dev/cdrom /mnt" it shouldn't compliaining about a missing directory |
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| 19:17.04 | enouf | Rusty1: fwiw .. dlocate does basically the same thing (haven't looked into exact differences) |
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| 19:17.15 | quetz | so nobody here has any experience with apple xserves? |
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| 19:17.49 | quetz | I'm having a hell of a time getting anything booted on them... its like the EFI support in the linux kernel is a bit broken with respect to my architecture |
| 19:17.56 | stew | enouf: dlocate will work as both dpkg -L and dpkg -S, and its faster |
| 19:18.26 | wmn | stew, bu why is it so not? |
| 19:18.27 | chairmeleon | Ok, guys and girls. I'm going for an all-debian desktop now. But I need some final advice. Sid, or Etch? |
| 19:18.37 | jumperz | sid |
| 19:18.42 | infernix | chairmeleon: etch |
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| 19:19.18 | stew | wmn: i didn't understand your question. |
| 19:19.35 | JordiGH | Is #282283 of great concern? |
| 19:19.37 | chairmeleon | infernix: right..main reasons? |
| 19:19.44 | JordiGH | dpkg, bugs |
| 19:19.46 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 19:19.54 | stew | !dbugs 282283 |
| 19:19.57 | dpkg | #282283:N[wnpp] RFH: dpkg -- dselect: a user tool to manage Debian packages; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:33:01 UTC |
| 19:20.26 | infernix | chairmeleon: frozen (so that it won't break horribly with apt-get update), easy to backport stuff from sid if you need it. and if you really must, you can always upgrade to sid, whereas sid>etch = no-go |
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| 19:20.47 | wmn | stew, i dont have a mount point set to /etc/fstab for cdrom then why does it mount when i say mount /dev/cdrom? |
| 19:20.51 | infernix | plus etch will get you more support in here. |
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| 19:21.37 | chairmeleon | infernix: Yeah, I guess your right about that |
| 19:21.50 | chairmeleon | I'm not totally crazy for bleeding edge anyway |
| 19:22.04 | esters | chairmeleon: not the only one :) |
| 19:22.12 | esters | then go to ubuntu for bl33ding edge |
| 19:22.15 | JordiGH | YO MAMMA IS SO OLD SHE'S IN DEBIAN STABLE! |
| 19:22.22 | stew | wmn: i don't know. it shouldn't. where does it mount to? |
| 19:22.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: is your keyboard broken? |
| 19:22.38 | chairmeleon | esters: Uuh, I'm on ubuntu right now. feels mostly like just..brown, edge or something :D |
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| 19:22.51 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, but perhaps your sense of humour is. |
| 19:22.55 | JordiGH | Or mine. |
| 19:22.57 | wmn | stew, /media/cdrom |
| 19:22.58 | esters | chairmeleon: so wanna try out a decent distro ? |
| 19:22.59 | abrotman | mine is fine |
| 19:23.02 | infernix | chairmeleon: and if you do need it, you can always choose to pull stuff from recent SVN and build from source. i do that for qemu-kvm, ffmpeg, mplayer and some more. |
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| 19:23.21 | chairmeleon | esters: debian, you mean ? :D |
| 19:23.32 | esters | chairmeleon: yep |
| 19:23.36 | chairmeleon | infernix: Yeah, I do that with amsn |
| 19:23.47 | wmn | stew, could you tell what this cdrom0 is for? |
| 19:23.49 | esters | i compile linuxdc++ from cvs |
| 19:24.14 | wmn | stew, sorry ive got a mount point set for that |
| 19:24.38 | stew | wmn: your cdrom is for /dev/cdrom0 |
| 19:25.06 | stew | wmn: what does "readlink -f /dev/cdrom ;readlink /dev/cdrom0" say? |
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| 19:25.21 | JordiGH | Oy. grub has a lot of bugs. Is it orphaned? |
| 19:25.23 | JordiGH | !maint grub |
| 19:25.32 | dpkg | grub: Grub Maintainers <pkg-grub-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 19:25.54 | JordiGH | Hm. So who are they? |
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| 19:26.31 | stew | JordiGH: no, but its RFHed |
| 19:26.32 | wmn | !flood |
| 19:26.33 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:26.36 | stew | JordiGH: and has been for a while |
| 19:27.05 | JordiGH | stew: Almost three years now. |
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| 19:27.35 | plb | dmraid is looking for raid45, however I have raid456 any ideas how to correct dmraid? |
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| 19:28.55 | stew | plb: did you check the bts? |
| 19:28.57 | wmn | stew, will you check http://channels.debian.net/paste/5414 |
| 19:29.31 | plb | stew: haven't been able to find an applicable bug... I think it is just a version mismatch between the kernel and dmraid |
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| 19:30.15 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have a local repository of debian with arch of i386, amd64, ia64. i no longer want to have the ia64 packages, so would i run find . -name *ia64 to find all the files and delete them or is there a better way to do it ? |
| 19:30.22 | JordiGH | wmn: Was the flood comment for me? |
| 19:30.40 | squisher | stew: what means RFHed? |
| 19:30.41 | ecliptik | does anyone use the VNC module for Xorg to share :0? |
| 19:30.45 | wmn | JordiGH, no for myself |
| 19:30.50 | xNinja | who knows the date when the apple Co....says that apple the the secure system and it cant be hacked...after a while it get hacked ? |
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| 19:31.05 | larsl | How do I use apt-get to downgrade packages? I have a bunch of unstable packages installed, and I want to downgrade them to testing. I tried setting the pin priorities in /etc/apt-get/preferences and run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade but it won't downgrade anything. |
| 19:31.05 | stew | squisher: Request For Help. the package maintainers have made an official request for others to help them maintain the package |
| 19:31.30 | Zaggynl | Hmm, if winxp is on /dev/hda3, should I make the grub setting 'root (hd0,3)' |
| 19:31.32 | squisher | stew: I see, thanks |
| 19:31.37 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 19:31.37 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 19:32.33 | JordiGH | !hack |
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| 19:33.04 | wmn | stew, will you check #flood too? |
| 19:33.05 | larsl | Was that changed sometime? I've found plenty of webpages that say that it should work. |
| 19:33.59 | JordiGH | Zaggynl: No. Grub starts counting from zero. So /dev/hda3 is probably root (hd0,2) |
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| 19:34.11 | Zaggynl | okay |
| 19:34.27 | Zaggynl | oh boy, ntldr is missing |
| 19:34.30 | Zaggynl | I'm off to #windows |
| 19:34.36 | plb | well I guess I'll be reporting a bug :-P |
| 19:34.55 | JordiGH | ntldr? |
| 19:35.00 | JordiGH | I guess it's a Windows thing. |
| 19:35.54 | scv | ??? |
| 19:35.55 | Zaggynl | yah |
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| 19:35.58 | scv | excuse me |
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| 19:36.03 | plb | ntldr is the WinNT/XP bootloader |
| 19:36.28 | scv | do i drop in a #windows channel? |
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| 19:37.27 | Zaggynl | *phwew* |
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| 19:38.12 | JordiGH | Supaplex: That site needs more information. But otherwise seems like a generally good idea. |
| 19:38.39 | Supaplex | JordiGH: bug the webmaster with what you think it needs. (that's me) |
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| 19:40.00 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Say that it's going to install Debian, that Debian is a GNU/Linux distribution, and give a brief explanation of how it's going to do this. The minimality is nice, but it comes off as a little agressive. Didn't you read the /. comments? :-) |
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| 19:40.05 | Suprano | hmm what are the fstab entrys to mount a trueCrypt partition? |
| 19:40.18 | JordiGH | Hey, wait, I thought we were talking about goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 19:41.16 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Is that one also yours? |
| 19:41.42 | pinx | I'd like to duplicate my Debian install on a second HD - what's the best way of doing that, partitioning and all? |
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| 19:42.11 | JordiGH | Also, the GPL doesn't need a click-through agreement. If you reject the GPL, you can still use the software, but you deny yourself a number of privileges that standard US copyright law doesn't grant by default. :-) |
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| 19:42.37 | nivanson | I get hardware problem all the time on my pc. It tells me ata1: port is slow to respond, please be patient. Anybody got a clue? (It freezes hd-access for about 30 secs then everything goes back to normal, for about 15 minutes) |
| 19:42.58 | karsten | Supaplex: Which site? goodbye-windows? |
| 19:42.59 | JordiGH | pinx: Attach the other drive to your current box, then "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb"? (or whatever) |
| 19:43.22 | karsten | Supaplex: erm, goodbye-microsoft.com ? Or another? |
| 19:43.27 | Supaplex | JordiGH: I don't run goodbye-microsoft |
| 19:43.30 | pinx | JordiGH: is it that simple? |
| 19:44.15 | pinx | do I use /dev/hd? or the mount point? |
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| 19:44.45 | plb | does anyone know of a decent amd64 repo? |
| 19:44.51 | JordiGH | pinx: Pretty much. The clause in the GPL about derivative code also GPLed is what people usually see as the only restriction with accepting the GPL. If you reject the GPL, you can't even create derivative work at all, since then the work is solely the intellectual property of whoever made it, and you can't copy it or produce derivative works. |
| 19:45.03 | pinx | JordiGH: the target is actually a big partition on the 2nd hdd - does that make a difference? |
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| 19:45.07 | plb | SW USA geographically preferred :-P |
| 19:45.16 | JordiGH | Er, I got confused. |
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| 19:45.30 | JordiGH | pinx: Sorry, I responded to something else. |
| 19:45.41 | pinx | JordiGH: np ;-) |
| 19:46.00 | plb | JordiGH: I thought that was you can't have non-GPL'd derivations... surely you can create as many GPL'd derivatives as you please |
| 19:46.08 | JordiGH | pinx: Yeah, dd should do the copying you want. If you're a little uncomfortable with naked dd commands (who isn't, at least a little?) you can use gparted, which has an option to copy a partition. |
| 19:46.40 | karsten | Supaplex: Um, so what site _are_ we talking about? |
| 19:46.41 | pinx | JordiGH: ok - that's cool -- I'll read the man -- Thanks |
| 19:47.11 | JordiGH | plb: If you reject the GPL, you can't create a derivative at all. If you accept it, you can create GPLed derivative works. |
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| 19:48.12 | plb | JordiGH: is there any license that says you may reject it and create derivative works? |
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| 19:48.44 | plb | JordiGH: that seems like the equivalent of saying we have a license that says there is no license |
| 19:48.46 | Supaplex | karsten: www.goodbye-windows.com, it's a mirror I run. |
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| 19:49.31 | JordiGH | plb: If you don't accept any license, then all rights by default belong to the creator, including the right to derivative works. |
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| 19:50.07 | haggz | plb: if you place something in the public domain, people can create derivative works with no agreements, but there is no license being used |
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| 19:50.39 | JordiGH | plb: Accepting the GPL *grants* you rights. Limited rights, but rights at any rate. If you reject it, you don't have any of those rights. It's not a license agreement like the ones found in proprietary software. I guess the Debian Windows exe has a GPL click-through agreement mimicking what's found in proprietary software, but it doesn't need one. |
| 19:51.07 | Supaplex | there's also the CYA factor: NO WARRANTY |
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| 19:51.24 | plb | haggz/JordiGH: I understand all that what I meant is I don't see how the GPL can be criticized for that. |
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| 19:51.55 | JordiGH | plb: I agree. This isn't a point of criticism for the GPL. But a clickthrough agreement is misleading. :-) |
| 19:52.07 | haggz | Supaplex: I don't see that as a GPL issue, because all the proprietary licenses disclaim absolutely every conceivable warranty, according to them, if you open the box and get a dead fish instead of software...not their problem |
| 19:52.36 | Supaplex | yeh :) |
| 19:52.43 | RixiM | how do i turn off md5sum checks? |
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| 19:53.05 | JordiGH | Section 5 of the GPL says more about what happens if you don't accept it. |
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| 19:53.14 | justin | !wayttd RixiM |
| 19:53.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, RixiM? |
| 19:53.22 | pinx | JordiGH: dd complains when I try to copy directories |
| 19:53.26 | plb | Supaplex: the EULA says Microsoft can knowingly and willingly destroy your computer and you have no ground for complaint |
| 19:53.42 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 19:54.04 | RixiM | oh, turn off md5sum checks in apt-get. i just want it to download and install a package. |
| 19:54.04 | JordiGH | In fact, section 5 of the GPL says how you can accept it: by exercising any of the rights it grants. |
| 19:54.04 | abrotman | RixiM: install the keys |
| 19:54.04 | Supaplex | plb: sounds like Orrin Hatch, but yea. |
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| 19:54.14 | yassine | anyideo how to find out if an apache module is loaded ? |
| 19:54.20 | JordiGH | RixiM: You don't want to turn off md5sums in apt. You want to use apt keys. |
| 19:54.20 | RixiM | abrotman: they are bad? |
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| 19:54.26 | JordiGH | !apt-key |
| 19:54.28 | haggz | plb: I don't know if its still there, but it used to be in Microsoft licenses for stuff like clip art that you could not use the clip art to create material critical of microsoft - that was actually what led me to first discover Free Software |
| 19:54.38 | abrotman | RixiM: they keys are good! |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | install debian-archive-keyring |
| 19:54.58 | plb | haggz: I do know the Microsoft disallows the use of ANY of the 2k/XP icon set in derivative software |
| 19:55.11 | RixiM | well, i guess this is the wrong channel... since i'm not using debian... i figured it was just a flag. |
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| 19:55.23 | theblue | Wow! |
| 19:55.30 | theblue | 750 people! |
| 19:55.41 | JordiGH | Debian is popular. |
| 19:55.49 | JordiGH | !praise Debian |
| 19:55.54 | theblue | And then I went into #ubuntu. |
| 19:55.55 | plb | haggz: if you dev in VS.Net (like my work does) you are stuck with Win98 icons or finding an alternate set either commercial or freeware |
| 19:55.59 | theblue | I approve of Debian. |
| 19:56.00 | Supaplex | and millions of users are not here right now ;) |
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| 19:57.12 | pinx | JordiGH: and I can't fidn gparted available for apt-get for sarge |
| 19:57.15 | haggz | When Etch is officially released and the news hits all the blogs, 500 million Ubuntu users are gonna try it and end up switching, at least til fawn comes out...this channel will be berserk. |
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| 19:57.26 | JordiGH | wtf? is gparted that new? |
| 19:57.41 | JordiGH | plb: Debian and Ubuntu are doing different things, and neither is hurting the other. |
| 19:57.51 | pinx | JordiGH: dd doesn't like copying directories |
| 19:57.53 | JordiGH | plb: If anything, they're helping each other. |
| 19:58.08 | JordiGH | pinx: That's odd. What was the dd command you executed? As root? |
| 19:58.11 | valdyn | pinx: dd doesnt copy directories |
| 19:58.32 | plb | JordiGH: I just see more and more of the resources out there assuming that you are using Ubuntu with no discussion of how Debian is different |
| 19:58.40 | pinx | JordiGH: i just did a small test dd on stuff with the same owner |
| 19:58.45 | haggz | pinx: have you considered using partimage for backups? it makes a compressed, space efficient image of the target partition as a single file, or set of files. |
| 19:58.45 | h3sp4wn | haggz: so that means you think etch will be released before feisty fawn - I don't think that is a certainty |
| 19:59.10 | JordiGH | plb: It's ok. We have our own barracks here in #debian, the mailing lists, and elsewhere. >:) |
| 19:59.23 | pinx | valdyn: I'd like to duplicate my Debian install on a second HD - what's the best way of doing that, partitioning and all? |
| 19:59.23 | gartt | Nothing wrong with debian- no reason for branching to stuff like ubuntu |
| 19:59.25 | JordiGH | plb: We're like the underground movement. The few, the elite, the geeky, the flaming. |
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| 19:59.42 | plb | JordiGH: ... you can be flaming |
| 19:59.44 | plb | :-P |
| 19:59.51 | valdyn | pinx: you can use dd for this, but you cant use dd to copy directories |
| 20:00.01 | JordiGH | plb: I see you haven't seen the flamewars in debian-devel et al. :P |
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| 20:00.20 | valdyn | pinx: are both harddisks identical? ( same size ) |
| 20:00.21 | plb | JordiGH: another definition of flaming |
| 20:00.22 | gartt | YOu can get pretty much the same easy gui tools in Ubuntu that you can on Deb- KDE and stuff I mean |
| 20:00.31 | haggz | h3sp4wn: hmm come to think of it you might be right, I hadnt updated my mental timeline...although Etch bug-tracking is actually looking a lot better to me now, it seems stuff is in the pipeline for a lot of rc bugs, if I'm reading the bug tracking pages correctly |
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| 20:01.01 | pinx | valdyn: no - the target is a big partition on my 2nd hdd, and the original is a partition on the primary hdd |
| 20:01.08 | plb | I wouldn't be so bitter if it weren't for the ATI drivers :-P |
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| 20:01.35 | plb | I have one computer with too new of a card and one with too old of a card |
| 20:01.55 | plb | the sliding window which is ATI drivers drives me batty |
| 20:02.25 | yassine | any one here using mod_auth_pgsql guys this sh diving me crasy :( |
| 20:02.29 | parsonsd | this is weird - i have lost the mouse. i can't get X to respond to any mouse events, but I can get around e with keyboard cmds. |
| 20:02.33 | parsonsd | i'm running etch |
| 20:02.37 | valdyn | pinx: 'cp -av' is fine for this ( though it would be easier if source and destination were identical ), stuff that you don't need to copy is the contents of /tmp, /sys,/proc,/dev |
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| 20:02.54 | haggz | parsond: |
| 20:02.56 | valdyn | pinx: for destination /dev/ use the contents of /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 20:03.02 | haggz | parsond: what video drivers in xorg? |
| 20:03.27 | pinx | valdyn: cheers -- I'll go and test.... |
| 20:03.39 | parsonsd | i'd like to not force shut down X since i'm trying to not lose my place in editings.... :P |
| 20:03.59 | amphi | plb: why is that a problem? |
| 20:04.01 | parsonsd | er, Xorg drivers? I'm running nvidia's branded drivers |
| 20:04.04 | valdyn | pinx: there still may be minor things to adjust ( really easy if you understand the 'inner workings' of your system, if not, come back and ask ) |
| 20:04.12 | parsonsd | haggz : er, Xorg drivers? I'm running nvidia's branded drivers |
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| 20:04.45 | plb | amphi: because if I have problems with X or Java or nfs, then everyone just goes on how Windows is better because they aren't having those issues |
| 20:04.48 | haggz | parsond: I used to lose my mouse cursor with the nv driver and it was fixed using nvidia proprietary...so hmmm....you might try turning hardware cursor support off in X, but that would require restarting it |
| 20:05.05 | valdyn | !clone debian |
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| 20:05.33 | parsonsd | haggz: i have no idea what happened before this... i THINK it went nto xscreensaver..but i don't know. i had to take a break from the screen... |
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| 20:05.41 | Roey | hey all :L) |
| 20:05.41 | valdyn | pinx: there's different methods too, but what i told you is what i use, can be handled. |
| 20:06.00 | parsonsd | haggz: hardware cursor ? would that be the mouse cursor in a tty console? |
| 20:06.07 | nivanson | I loose access to my HDD all the time getting lines in dmesg saying ata1: port is slow to respond, please be patient. Anybody know where in my system this problem is occuring so I can file a bug report? |
| 20:06.29 | valdyn | nivanson: in your kernel or in your hardware |
| 20:06.36 | pinx | valdyn: will cp creat teh partitions needed within the target ? |
| 20:06.43 | valdyn | pinx: no |
| 20:07.08 | valdyn | pinx: 'cp -av /home /mnt/newsystem/' |
| 20:07.35 | valdyn | pinx: where /mnt/newssytem is the mountpoint of your new partition you new system will be on |
| 20:07.42 | parsonsd | haggz: might have been the usb flash key i plugged in as that happened since my little wandering around the apartment. |
| 20:07.46 | faithless | hello how can i find zoom usb modem's driver for debian? |
| 20:07.54 | nivanson | valdyn: It should not be in my hardware since it works fine under Windows XP. I will try to file a bug-report then. Thank you. |
| 20:07.55 | pinx | valdyn: copying / is not an issue, it's the duplication of the OS that I need |
| 20:07.55 | parsonsd | there are no errors in dmesg that i can pinpoint |
| 20:08.00 | haggz | parsond: no, there is a variable in xorg.conf which sets whether or not your video card will be in charge of the mouse pointer, called HW_CURSOR or something, and when I was debugging my mouse pointer disappearance issue I discovered the recommended fix was disabling it in xorg.conf...I just switched drivers though, instead |
| 20:08.09 | Ronin | plb: how much do they praise xp when they have to clean it for virus's or toolbars or popups etc. |
| 20:08.15 | valdyn | pinx: / contains your complete OS |
| 20:08.30 | parsonsd | hm |
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| 20:08.45 | valdyn | pinx: there's nothing beyond that except for your partition table and your master boot record |
| 20:08.46 | pinx | valdyn: the original system is on the usual mix of partitions for /boot, swap and / |
| 20:09.30 | valdyn | pinx: ok - so create the partition layout of your choice on the new disk and mount it in a tree under /mnt/newsystem/ or whatever |
| 20:09.34 | pinx | valdyn: ok -- how to copy the mbr might be enough |
| 20:09.50 | parsonsd | haggz: i apparently don't get menus in open windows either. can't close evince to free the open file on the flash key |
| 20:09.52 | haggz | parsond: there are a lot of diffs though between my scenario and yours, such as nv vs. official drivers, and I was just losing the visible pointer for my mouse, i think buttons were still processed |
| 20:09.52 | valdyn | pinx: you DONT do that, it wouldnt work |
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| 20:10.17 | valdyn | pinx: you already have a complete copy now mounted somewhere? |
| 20:10.38 | parsonsd | haggz: no doubt |
| 20:10.51 | parsonsd | fg |
| 20:10.54 | pinx | valdyn: I'm getting the methodoligy sorted first |
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| 20:11.21 | valdyn | pinx: what are you planning to do with that cloned system? leave it there or put it into a different computer? |
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| 20:11.32 | pinx | valdyn: it's a farily slow laptop and will take some time to copy everything |
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| 20:11.54 | pinx | the cloned system will become the master system - it'll be on e much bigger hdd |
| 20:12.16 | pinx | valdyn: and I'll use the original to "play" |
| 20:12.20 | valdyn | pinx: but it will stay on the same box? |
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| 20:12.32 | valdyn | pinx: on the same disk cable etc? |
| 20:12.35 | pinx | valdyn: yes -- all on teh same box |
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| 20:13.01 | pinx | valdyn: I can swap hdd's easily on my laptop |
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| 20:13.29 | valdyn | pinx: that's the problem, if you swap hds this changes everything concerning your boot manager |
| 20:13.31 | parsonsd | totally weird. i CAN get menus on iceweasel. the File menu comes up under the third, and topmost, tab |
| 20:13.38 | valdyn | pinx: so are you going to do that? |
| 20:14.10 | haggz | parsond: have you tried using a terminal and done cat /dev/foomouse and moving the mouse to see if the kernel is still reading it? it sounds like an x problem to me though. |
| 20:14.20 | pinx | valdyn: it's the same laptop all the time - I can *not* swap the hdd's but use the BIOS to change the boot point |
| 20:14.37 | pinx | valdyn: if that makes it easier/better |
| 20:14.42 | valdyn | pinx: ok, changing anything in the bios isnt necessary |
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| 20:15.00 | valdyn | pinx: you can still use the mbr of your original disk, that's ok |
| 20:15.22 | pinx | valdyn: and somehow add the second system? |
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| 20:16.14 | Thms | what is the netstat -n command for linux ? |
| 20:16.31 | valdyn | pinx: ok, here goes once new system is mounted 'chroot /mnt/newsystem/' then you are 'in' your new system. From there you need to adjust /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, run grub-install /dev/<original>, done |
| 20:17.24 | pinx | valdyn: sounds good -- I'll come back when I break it ;-) Thanks |
| 20:17.33 | valdyn | pinx: which of these files / commands are unknown to you? |
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| 20:17.52 | pinx | valdyn: I haven't played with grub at all |
| 20:18.17 | Zaggynl | Thms, netstat --help for list of commands ;-) |
| 20:18.24 | obscurant | anyone know what's causing this? play of a cnn video with mplayerplugin will stop if i hide the video window behind another window. |
| 20:18.41 | valdyn | pinx: ok, grub-install installs a new boot block, /boot/grub/menu.lst contains information about location of your system, so that location will change |
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| 20:19.10 | valdyn | pinx: your boot block is your mbr of your original disk, and it can stay there |
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| 20:19.40 | pinx | valdyn: ok -- looked at menu.lst |
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| 20:19.58 | pinx | valdyn: justa bit wary of grub-install |
| 20:20.08 | janttsu | etch installation has jamned.. it can't make partition for /boot on usb disk |
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| 20:20.27 | valdyn | pinx: that's good, get a live disk or something similar ready in case you screw up your mbr |
| 20:20.28 | pinx | valdyn: I'll read the man carefully first |
| 20:20.38 | parsonsd | haggz: yep /dev/psaux gives me output on to the consoel |
| 20:20.42 | parsonsd | , er, consoel |
| 20:20.45 | parsonsd | *sigh* |
| 20:20.48 | parsonsd | sonsole |
| 20:21.00 | pinx | valdyn: the 2nd hdd occupies the cdr/w slot so I can only us e afloppy |
| 20:21.12 | valdyn | pinx: you can skip this step in exchange for _manually_ editing the line in grub when booting |
| 20:21.43 | valdyn | pinx: ( that's not persistent, but only for that run, so 'safe' ) |
| 20:21.45 | parsonsd | i'm closing things down - this is aggravating, but ... so is not being able to use the mouse |
| 20:21.52 | pinx | valdyn: what do I edit in grub? |
| 20:21.57 | janttsu | please help.... can't get further |
| 20:22.07 | pinx | valdyn: sounds like a good option for starters |
| 20:22.23 | parsonsd | the only error in Xorg is a xkbcomp |
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| 20:22.33 | parsonsd | and there isn't any timestamp on that to know when it came out |
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| 20:22.45 | obscurant | ok, this mplayer hangup looks like a realtime kernel issue |
| 20:22.53 | jmalicki | is this a good channel for pbuilder questions? |
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| 20:23.28 | valdyn | pinx: the root line, for instance (hd0,0) could become (hd1,0) and the kernel line root=/dev/sda1 could become /dev/sdb1 ( or whatever it is in your case ) |
| 20:23.38 | jmalicki | does anyone know how you're supposed to save the pbuilder buildplace on build errors to debug them? --save-after-exec, --save-after-login, --preserve-buildplace, and --debug don't seem to work... |
| 20:24.07 | dotCOMmie | Are files inside .deb checksummed? |
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| 20:24.27 | valdyn | pinx: both (hd0,0) and /dev/sda1 reference the same disk ( unless you have an extra /boot partition, then its more complicated ) |
| 20:24.37 | rahul | is sarge's apache package fuxxored? |
| 20:24.40 | valdyn | s/disk/partition |
| 20:24.41 | valdyn | s/disk/partition/ |
| 20:24.48 | rahul | /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst: line 12: /usr/share/apache/postinst.common: No such file or directory |
| 20:24.50 | stew | dotCOMmie: yes there is a md5sums file in the control.tar.gz |
| 20:24.51 | pinx | valdyn: I'll need to reboot to look I suppose, but I guess it'll be /dev/hda1 at the moment and will nee to become /dev/hdc1 |
| 20:25.09 | stew | !find /usr/share/apache/postinst.common sarge |
| 20:25.26 | abrotman | don't you have to leave off the leading / ? |
| 20:25.27 | valdyn | pinx: ok, that would make (hd0,0) to (hd2,0) |
| 20:25.30 | uptownben | OK, so this is what happened... I was just finishing an install of Debian Sarge, it go to the part where it downloaded all the packages and started installing them, then about 2/3 through I ran out of disk space.. I tried doing apt-get clean to get ride of everythnig and start from scratch (choose the pakcages more specifically) but that didnt help, how can I get back to a point where I can continue the install? |
| 20:25.35 | dotCOMmie | stew: is there a script or program to run which can compare checksum of installed file and the one provided by dpkg? |
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| 20:25.43 | stew | dotCOMmie: yes, debsums |
| 20:25.53 | dotCOMmie | stew: thanks |
| 20:25.53 | abrotman | !find usr/share/apache/postinst.common sarge |
| 20:26.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/apache/postinst.common' (1): (/usr/share/apache/postinst.common) in web/apache-common. |
| 20:26.00 | pinx | valdyn: thanks m8 -- I'll do some readin first and then give it a go |
| 20:27.01 | janttsu | anyone know why making a /boot partition on usb fails with etch installer? |
| 20:27.05 | rahul | hrm |
| 20:28.04 | valdyn | uptownben: is /var on the same partition as / on your system? |
| 20:28.21 | rahul | abrotman: never mind, this person deleted the file himself. |
| 20:28.30 | abrotman | bad man! |
| 20:28.33 | obscurant | can anyone confirm this - hiding mplayerplugin window with another window stops the playback? |
| 20:28.40 | abrotman | bts ? |
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| 20:29.19 | uptownben | valdyn:yes, single part. |
| 20:29.48 | uptownben | I did a apt-get update and apt-get clean.. and it look like its letting me continue.. |
| 20:29.50 | valdyn | uptownben: you need to free space, try dpkg --remove on some package(s) |
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| 20:30.06 | valdyn | uptownben: apt-get clean doesnt do more than free space in /var |
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| 20:30.25 | valdyn | uptownben: uh, nvm |
| 20:31.00 | valdyn | uptownben: you may just want to reinstall anyway to a bigger partition anyway |
| 20:31.55 | uptownben | thanks |
| 20:32.06 | parsonsd | time to restart xorg and see if my mouse comes back from its hole. |
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| 20:35.11 | User_FriendlY | !moo |
| 20:35.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 20:39.57 | yassine | is mod_auth_mysql obsolete for apache2 ? |
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| 20:40.35 | GillaGal | Will Woody run into an issue with the upcoming DST change? |
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| 20:42.53 | dunpeal | I just installed the absolute basic system of etch off a netinst cd, without updating from the internet, so now I need gpg keys for the debian and security repos. How can I obtain these? |
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| 20:43.06 | parsonsd | haggz : one X window restart and the mouse has returned |
| 20:43.23 | GeorgeS069 | dunpeal: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 20:43.35 | dunpeal | GeorgeS069: thanks |
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| 20:48.40 | bhundven | I haven't seen a kline in a while |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | bhundven: hang out here more .. we get a lot :) |
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| 20:50.07 | bhundven | lol |
| 20:50.31 | dunpeal | how do I install xorg on etch, without installing all the extra unnecessary video drivers |
| 20:50.45 | dunpeal | ? |
| 20:50.51 | rahul | don't install the extra drivers. |
| 20:50.54 | rahul | ... |
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| 20:51.36 | stew | dunpeal: aptitude isntall xserver-xorg xbase-clients xserver-xorg-input-all xkb-data xfonts-base xserver-xorg-video-foo ; where foo is the actual driver you need |
| 20:51.43 | willis2 | can someone explain how to get into rescue mode with debian |
| 20:51.44 | dunpeal | rahul: problem: virtual/metapackages |
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| 20:51.53 | rahul | dunpeal: so don't install the ones you don't want |
| 20:52.00 | rahul | willis2: which kind of rescue mode? |
| 20:52.07 | dunpeal | stew: thanks |
| 20:52.15 | stew | dunpeal: install the xorg package, which will get everything, the apt-get remove the video drivers you dont' want |
| 20:52.21 | willis2 | every time i install etch,(3 times now) my grub goes strait to prompt |
| 20:52.29 | willis2 | i need to reinstall grub |
| 20:52.32 | dunpeal | stew: is there really no other way{ |
| 20:52.35 | stew | dunpeal: you probably need xutils as well, and you may want more font packages, "apt-cache show xorg" |
| 20:52.41 | stew | dunpeal: i just gave you two ways |
| 20:52.46 | sidjster | what is the command to update dpkg |
| 20:52.52 | willis2 | so the rescue mode i can install grub in |
| 20:52.54 | rahul | update dpkg?? |
| 20:52.57 | stew | sidjster: what do you mean? |
| 20:53.21 | sidjster | troubled was saying dpkgdb wtf |
| 20:53.35 | sidjster | i dont even know what im talking about |
| 20:53.35 | rahul | troubled is troubled |
| 20:53.45 | sidjster | what is dpkgdb |
| 20:53.57 | stew | never heard of it |
| 20:54.00 | dunpeal | I just don't understand why it's not possible to just not install unnecessary suff in the first place |
| 20:54.08 | stew | dunpeal: it is |
| 20:54.08 | rahul | dunpeal: it is possible |
| 20:54.13 | amphi | willis2: you mean you get the grub shell? |
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| 20:54.13 | rahul | don't install it. |
| 20:54.15 | stew | dunpeal: i just told you |
| 20:54.16 | sidjster | compile your kernel |
| 20:54.18 | dunpeal | anyways, thanks, I'll do that, and just remove them after |
| 20:54.29 | rahul | dunpeal: or use the UI and mark the package for installation |
| 20:54.30 | stew | dunpeal: i gave you the list of stuff you ened |
| 20:54.30 | willis2 | amphi: yes i think thats it |
| 20:54.40 | dunpeal | stew: either way pulls in xserver-xorg-video-all as a dependency |
| 20:54.42 | stew | dunpeal: yeah, the aptitude frontend might be helpful |
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| 20:54.46 | rahul | dunpeal: then mark for removal the stuff it would install that you don't want |
| 20:54.57 | amphi | willis2: check your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:55.10 | dunpeal | rahul, stew, okay. will try that |
| 20:55.11 | willis2 | how can i do that if i cannot get out of grub shell |
| 20:55.13 | amphi | willis2: if you get the grub shell, you can boot manually |
| 20:55.20 | stew | dunpeal: add xserver-xorg-video-1.0 to the list |
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| 20:55.31 | stew | maybe? |
| 20:55.49 | stew | xserver-xorg Depends: xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0... |
| 20:56.02 | stew | !info xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
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| 20:56.17 | stew | oh |
| 20:56.18 | stew | right |
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| 20:56.38 | stew | dunpeal: it shouldn't install xserver-xorg-video-all if you install one of the xserver-xorg-vidoeo-foo packages |
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| 20:57.01 | stew | dunpeal: "apt-cache showpkg xserver-xorg-video-1.0" will show the possibilities |
| 20:57.07 | sidjster | why does everybody use aptitude? |
| 20:57.12 | abrotman | it's recommended |
| 20:57.15 | sidjster | i alway use apt-get |
| 20:57.18 | abrotman | good for you! |
| 20:57.30 | willis2 | amph1: after i setup (hd0) and it succeeded what next? |
| 20:57.33 | stew | sidjster: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 20:57.38 | sidjster | im just wondering what the difference is |
| 20:57.59 | GeorgeS069 | sidjster: it's l33t and kewl to use aptitude...and I was told it handles depencies better |
| 20:57.59 | sidjster | im just trying nto be l337 |
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| 20:58.21 | rahul | apt-get is not intended to be used |
| 20:58.26 | stew | yes it is |
| 20:58.28 | rahul | it was a stopgap. |
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| 20:58.31 | stew | was |
| 20:58.43 | rahul | it's like glxgears |
| 20:58.55 | stew | its a much more useful demo than glxgears |
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| 20:58.58 | rahul | heh |
| 20:58.59 | I-kido | would debian-etch work from an (external) USB disk? |
| 20:59.03 | stew | I-kido: yes |
| 20:59.04 | rahul | glxgears can be used as a notabenchmark! |
| 20:59.09 | I-kido | tnx stew |
| 20:59.11 | dunpeal | when I attempt to install xserver-xorg-video-nv, it pulls in xserver-xorg-video-all as a dependency |
| 20:59.27 | rahul | dunpeal: use the UI |
| 20:59.34 | Quintin | What is the current status of reiser4? 'ready' yet? |
| 20:59.48 | bhundven | Quintin, its in limbo |
| 20:59.54 | stew | !depends xserver-xorg-video-nv etch |
| 20:59.58 | jelly | Quintin: ready for what? |
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| 21:00.02 | willis2 | what do i do after setup (hd0) has succeeded |
| 21:00.03 | sidjster | i kinda like synaptic |
| 21:00.06 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-nv: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.1.1) |
| 21:00.06 | Quintin | use on a desktop |
| 21:00.14 | dunpeal | rahul: thanks, sorry for not doing that earlier =] |
| 21:00.17 | Quintin | I'll stick with v3 then for now I suppose. |
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| 21:00.28 | rahul | interaction is useful. |
| 21:00.35 | dunpeal | !depends xserver-xorg-core |
| 21:00.43 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: depends on x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libfontenc1, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxfont1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), xserver-xorg |
| 21:00.52 | jelly | Quintin: I have used reiserfs for 2-3 years and reverted to ext3 |
| 21:00.55 | h3sp4wn | dunpeal: try using --without-recommends --without-suggests |
| 21:01.26 | Quintin | jelly: mhm... why? |
| 21:02.11 | jelly | Quintin: proved to be too much hassle in the long run. its fsck takes forever. it's acts very funny when you fill it up. |
| 21:02.14 | I-kido | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.26 | I-kido | i'm=I* |
| 21:02.33 | dunpeal | h3sp4wn: inside aptitude ? |
| 21:02.38 | abrotman | I-kido: why? |
| 21:02.40 | squisher | jelly: I'm just having the same 'filling-up' problems with reiserfs... a pain in the butt... |
| 21:02.42 | I-kido | for speed |
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| 21:03.01 | h3sp4wn | dunpeal: that is for cli aptitude - aptitude install --without-recommends --without-suggests xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 21:03.03 | I-kido | abrotman for performance |
| 21:03.06 | jelly | Quintin: and by "very funny" I mean "irreversible loss of performance, even after clearing up the partition to 60-70%" |
| 21:03.09 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 21:03.09 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 21:03.10 | stew | I-kido: it's notorious for losing data if you have a power failure |
| 21:03.11 | squisher | Quintin: see post above to jelly... |
| 21:03.21 | abrotman | I-kido: if the power goes out .. bad things can happen though |
| 21:03.30 | I-kido | arggg |
| 21:03.30 | squisher | jelly: wow, that is exactly the problem I have at the moment |
| 21:03.35 | abrotman | I-kido: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
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| 21:03.45 | I-kido | tnx abrotman |
| 21:03.46 | amphi | I-kido: xfs works pretty well for me; large file deletions are slow sometimes, for reasons unclear to me |
| 21:03.59 | sidjster | how long will 2 sata raptors take to synch? |
| 21:04.00 | jelly | squisher: ended up splitting the news spool (it was a news server) to two ext3 partitions |
| 21:04.02 | abrotman | I-kido: the http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html will show you performance "benchmarks" |
| 21:04.09 | I-kido | amphi thanks |
| 21:04.12 | abrotman | sidjster: depends on the size don't you think ? |
| 21:04.15 | Quintin | UFS ftw |
| 21:04.20 | amphi | zfs ftw |
| 21:04.23 | Quintin | XFS is kind of cool too |
| 21:04.24 | abrotman | ext2 mounted sync! |
| 21:04.27 | Quintin | mainly cause it has an 'X' |
| 21:04.41 | asg | abrotman: I thought you said you were FAT? |
| 21:04.42 | squisher | jelly: damn, I had such a good opinion of reiser3 before, but this is really a horrible bug |
| 21:04.42 | dunpeal | h3sp4wn: that just shows the help text for me |
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| 21:04.54 | I-kido | lol |
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| 21:05.03 | abrotman | asg: i am! |
| 21:05.09 | I-kido | I can convert to ext3 anytime, right / |
| 21:05.11 | abrotman | asg: noone got the movie reference! |
| 21:05.17 | asg | abrotman: time to start drinking light beer ;) |
| 21:05.24 | dunpeal | h3sp4wn: there is no --without-suggests |
| 21:05.26 | jelly | squisher: yeah, me too. as for ext3, it has lower performance I think, but dir_index mostly takes care of lots of small files in a directory, and it's a lot more reliable |
| 21:05.26 | abrotman | I-kido: sure .. if you backup your data and remake the fs and put it back |
| 21:05.42 | I-kido | aha cool abrotman |
| 21:05.45 | sidjster | will someone take the time out of their day to tell me about run time levels |
| 21:05.53 | sidjster | please now |
| 21:05.59 | h3sp4wn | dunpeal: try just --without-recommends then |
| 21:06.07 | asg | sidjster: /etc/init.d/README |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | sidjster: read about them in the man page! |
| 21:06.13 | Quintin | I'm migrating my desktop to a new(er) SATA hard disk. |
| 21:06.16 | squisher | jelly: Yeah... at the end, reliability is just the most important. I don't have many small files on my partition, but it crapped up anyways ;-) |
| 21:06.19 | sidjster | i cant understand it |
| 21:06.20 | h3sp4wn | dunpeal: (seems to not pull in them here at least) |
| 21:06.21 | dunpeal | h3sp4wn: yeah, thats good thanks, just what I was looking for |
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| 21:06.29 | jelly | sidjster: man init should get you going |
| 21:06.34 | sidjster | ty |
| 21:06.34 | asg | sidjster: then just understand that in debian, we only go to 2 |
| 21:07.14 | bhundven | mine goes to 11, because it's louder |
| 21:08.01 | esters | any ideas how to solve this thing when compiling a custrom kernel (2.6.19 & 2.6.20 tested) : http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1337/dsc00489ek9.jpg |
| 21:08.10 | jelly | squisher: I filled mine up to 92%, and it really want downhill. |
| 21:08.14 | asg | bhundven: you have 'l11:11:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 11' in /etc/inittab? |
| 21:08.26 | jelly | went* |
| 21:08.27 | bhundven | haha |
| 21:08.28 | bhundven | no |
| 21:08.29 | abrotman | esters: you goofed! |
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| 21:08.41 | esters | abrotman: in other words ? |
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| 21:08.53 | kiba | it seem that Window Vista got a lot of bad press and review. Debian GNU/linux rock! |
| 21:08.59 | squisher | jelly: mine got close to being all full, and I get a read performance of 1/4 of what I get on another partition |
| 21:09.07 | abrotman | esters: what kernel were you running before ? |
| 21:09.20 | asg | ntoskernel.exe |
| 21:09.24 | esters | abrotman: well i'm using 2.6.18-4 (debian one) |
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| 21:09.30 | esters | just trying to make my onw custom |
| 21:09.33 | abrotman | esters: and it was broken ? |
| 21:09.33 | squisher | jelly: my problem is I don't have another HDD to transfer the data over to reformat... :-\ |
| 21:09.37 | esters | abrotman: no |
| 21:09.42 | abrotman | esters: are you using udev ? |
| 21:09.43 | bhundven | asg, it was a reference from spinaltap |
| 21:09.53 | esters | abrotman: not sure |
| 21:10.02 | jelly-home | squisher: buy/borrow/steal it? :-) |
| 21:10.07 | asg | bhundven: I know, hard to make pimento olive references when it comes to inittab |
| 21:10.13 | willis2 | can someone tell me how to get into debian rescue mode |
| 21:10.23 | bhundven | heh |
| 21:10.32 | jelly-home | bhundven: what, up to 11? |
| 21:10.40 | bhundven | \m/ |
| 21:10.43 | abrotman | esters: if i had to guess .. you tried to use devfs in your new kernel |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | esters: or your old kernel was :) |
| 21:10.52 | bhundven | oh gawd |
| 21:10.54 | squisher | jelly-home: :-) I'm thinking about it. Now that you mention it, I might have an option that I can use. It's just a hassle. Stupid reiser... |
| 21:11.02 | abrotman | esters: devfs has been deprecated |
| 21:11.06 | esters | abrotman: well maybe, but i don't really know how to fix it |
| 21:11.18 | stew | deprecated is too subtle of a word in this case |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | removed? :) |
| 21:11.54 | jelly-home | squisher: I couldn't blame anyone but the administrator for choosing it over the words of wiser colleagues. To be honest, if performed really well for 2-3 years. |
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| 21:12.00 | stew | esters: is that an initrd kernel? |
| 21:12.02 | willis2 | No one knows how to boot intro rescue mode? |
| 21:12.06 | stew | oh debian kernel |
| 21:12.12 | abrotman | esters: start with the working config from debian's kernel .. try it from there .. and doulbe check your initrd settings |
| 21:12.14 | stew | esters: which initrd creator did you use? |
| 21:12.21 | asg | willis2: linux -s (at your lilo or grub prompt) |
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| 21:12.33 | esters | initrd - the one from testing |
| 21:12.41 | squisher | jelly-home: I've used reiser for a long time without any problems... but I guess it's time to switch now :-). |
| 21:12.47 | stew | esters: yeah, what was used to build the initrd? |
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| 21:13.05 | asg | willis2: if you are booting from the install disc, I think it's 'linux rescue' |
| 21:13.06 | willis2 | asg: linux -s at grub prompt error 27: Unrecongnized Command |
| 21:13.07 | stew | esters: is initramfs-tools or yaird installed? |
| 21:13.09 | esters | stew: # mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img- |
| 21:13.31 | esters | the how to is : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4468&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 21:13.35 | stew | esters: you cant ues mkintrd for kernels > 2.6.18, becuase mkinitrd uses devfs, use mkinitramfs or yaird |
| 21:14.08 | asg | willis2: when you get to the grub menu, hit 'e' to edit it and append ' single' to the kernel line. Then boot it |
| 21:14.12 | jelly-home | squisher: after having a double-disk failure on raid5, a coworker had 18 hour reiserfscks from hell, we had 3-4 days downtime. The users were, lessay, rather pissed, and we got into papers. reiserfs no more. ;-) |
| 21:14.26 | stew | esters: that appears to be a poor howto |
| 21:14.41 | esters | well can you suggest a better stew ? |
| 21:14.43 | stew | esters: you should be passing --initrd to make-kpkg if you are building an inird kernel |
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| 21:14.47 | jelly-home | squisher: also raid5 sucks but that's another story ;-) |
| 21:14.52 | squisher | jelly-home: Interesting... good to know. |
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| 21:14.54 | asg | willis2: also, the grub info in the "/msg dpkg i forgot root's password" factoid is helpful depending on your situation. |
| 21:15.00 | willis2 | asg: i only get grub shell grub menu not working, maybe cruupt kernel? |
| 21:15.06 | squisher | jelly-home: why does raid5 suck? What would you recommend? 10? |
| 21:15.18 | jelly-home | squisher: 10 if you can afford it, yes |
| 21:15.21 | stew | esters: isntall initramfs-tools, use --initrd when calling make-kpkg ; now that your kernel is already built, rebuild your initrd with mkinitramfs instead of initrd |
| 21:15.23 | amphi | willis2: no, b0rked menu.lst perhaps |
| 21:15.30 | squisher | jelly-home: the question would be though if ext3 had performed better in the same situation... :) |
| 21:15.33 | jelly-home | squisher: 5 is good enough if you have backup, I guess |
| 21:15.55 | stew | esters: why are you compiling a kernel instead of just using apt-get? |
| 21:16.09 | esters | stew: for personal use |
| 21:16.11 | jelly-home | squisher: well, an ext3 wouldn't have fscked for 18 hours, but 2-3 max at 100GB sized partitions |
| 21:16.14 | esters | just learning |
| 21:16.24 | pinx | valdyn: the area on the hdd I want to use for my clone OS is presently occupied by an empty NTFS with the boot flag set (relics of my old XP system) - I need to break this area up into new partitions to match my original OS, but what about the boot flag? |
| 21:16.25 | asg | willis2: then you'll have to manually create the root, kernel, and possibly initrd lines at the grub prompt |
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| 21:16.43 | willis2 | i cannot seam to find kernel |
| 21:16.49 | willis2 | were is it located, i have etch |
| 21:17.05 | asg | willis2: hit [tab], it should expand the available ones once you've set a proper root |
| 21:17.17 | jelly-home | squisher: baarf.com is the raid5 haters page |
| 21:17.18 | squisher | jelly-home: I see... never had the honor of going through that crap so far, luckily... |
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| 21:18.03 | squisher | jelly-home: Well, I don't really understand why you bash raid5... it's a compromise, as everything. Sure, worse than 10, but surely better than no raid, and of course better than raid1 |
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| 21:18.12 | willis2 | which is better grub or LiLo? |
| 21:18.29 | stew | willis2: they both have strenthgs and weeknesses, but in general grub is easier |
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| 21:20.53 | sidjster | so what happens if i type prevlevel ??is it like the red button on bugs bunny? |
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| 21:21.33 | jelly-home | squisher: well, for one thing, it appears that double disk failures happen quite more often in practice |
| 21:21.37 | abrotman | sidjster: try it |
| 21:22.06 | squisher | jelly-home: Hmm, that is a good point. I think I've heard that before actually |
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| 21:23.00 | baggend | Anyone know if there's a way to download source packages that are still stuck in pending? If the FTP masters have them there should be some way to pull them down I'd imagine. |
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| 21:23.35 | jelly-home | squisher: there's also the silent write failure on some drives, that can go unnoticed if the controller doesn't verify the parity every now and then, and can turn to data corruption when a disk fails and gets rebuilt |
| 21:24.03 | willis2 | for debian etch loading the kernel through grub shel what do i type after "kernel ..." |
| 21:24.07 | stew | baggend: no, the ftp masters have them there becuase htey are still determining if they can distribute them to you legally. until they determine that, they wont' distribute them to you (since it could be illegal to do so) |
| 21:24.37 | jelly-home | squisher: anyway, I use 5 a lot too, but am much more wary of it, and try to enable all the verifications where possible |
| 21:24.41 | sidjster | nope |
| 21:24.42 | baggend | stew: Ah ok. Potential licensing and the such. Ok, thanks. |
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| 21:25.03 | pinx | The area on my hdd I want to use for a clone of my OS is presently occupied by an empty NTFS with the boot flag set (relics of my old XP system) - I need to break this area up into new partitions to match my original OS, but what about the boot flag? |
| 21:25.03 | squisher | jelly-home: I hadn't heard of that before... weird. Silent write failure sounds pretty bad (thinking of my non-raid computers there...) |
| 21:25.07 | sidjster | linux-image |
| 21:25.23 | sidjster | not kernel-image |
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| 21:26.02 | stew | baggend: after they are approved they will show up in incoming.debian.org which you can get to |
| 21:26.10 | sidjster | you can rename it if you like the sound of kernel-image better though |
| 21:26.40 | jelly-home | squisher: well, I've seen only one case of actual bit rot on disk in 10 years of admining, so I guess it's rare, but I don't have many systems. |
| 21:26.50 | baggend | stew: Is incoming where they just wait to be built? i.e. is the biggest delay waiting for them to get out of new? |
| 21:26.58 | sidjster | do you want to be walked through a recompile to rename your linux-image? |
| 21:27.23 | sidjster | everytime i move a file or reboot i recompile |
| 21:27.36 | stew | baggend: incoming is where they sit until they are actually insatlled by dinstall (which runs at around 1700 utc iirc) |
| 21:27.50 | squisher | jelly-home: Ok, I see. That makes it a bit less scary :-) |
| 21:28.13 | squisher | jelly-home: Was nice chatting, I need to take off now... was great though to get my reiser problems confirmed by someone! |
| 21:28.28 | baggend | stew: Ah ok. Thanks for the info. |
| 21:28.51 | willis2 | anyone see anything wrong with this "kernel /boot/vmlinuz2.6.17 |
| 21:29.53 | sidjster | vmlinuz- |
| 21:29.55 | sidjster | or no |
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| 21:30.11 | jelly-home | squisher: k, see ya |
| 21:30.44 | willis2 | "Errir 8: Kernel must be loaded befor booting" i cannot get past this |
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| 21:33.31 | willis2 | anyone have any clue what should be after kernel for latest version etch |
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| 21:34.25 | pickcoder | willis2: use tab-complete to find the kernel images from grub |
| 21:34.51 | willis2 | just press tab? |
| 21:34.53 | Thms | how to see the apache logs ? |
| 21:35.04 | pickcoder | kernel /boot/vmlinuz<tab> |
| 21:35.04 | abrotman | /var/log/apache/ ... usually |
| 21:35.24 | willis2 | just says file not found |
| 21:35.34 | willis2 | sound like its currupt kernel? |
| 21:35.37 | SDBolts21 | how to connect to windows server? |
| 21:35.57 | abrotman | smbclient |
| 21:36.24 | pickcoder | willis2: did you set root? |
| 21:36.39 | SDBolts21 | what is smbclient? |
| 21:37.01 | pinx | if I do "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=mbr.backup bs=512 count=1" and then re-partition hda1 making a new small /boot partition as well as swap and / , and then do "dd if=mbr.backup of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1" will I break anything at boot-time? |
| 21:37.46 | willis2 | yes i set the root |
| 21:37.49 | willis2 | it succeeded |
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| 21:38.29 | abrotman | !find smbclient sarge |
| 21:38.31 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'smbclient' (4): libfilesys-smbclient-perl ;; libsmbclient ;; libsmbclient-dev ;; smbclient. |
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| 21:38.46 | abrotman | SDBolts21: apt-get install smbclient .. man smbclient |
| 21:39.02 | willis2 | maybe etch is broken |
| 21:39.09 | pickcoder | willis2: drop the /boot/ and try the tab-complete |
| 21:39.12 | siimo | is azureus in sid broken? :| |
| 21:39.21 | abrotman | siimo: checked the bts ? |
| 21:39.25 | willis2 | is there a way to pick the kernel you want with the debian cd? |
| 21:39.47 | stew | pinx: the partition table is in the first 512 bytes, so when you run the second dd you wil overwrite your changes |
| 21:39.55 | crazy_penguin | Good night everyone! |
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| 21:40.21 | siimo | abrotman: yeah its in bts |
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| 21:40.38 | sjensen | Hello, can anyone tell me why my $PATH does not change, even though I've changed it in /etc/profile? I've logged in and out. |
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| 21:40.50 | sjensen | using bash, bytheway |
| 21:41.02 | cat | sjensen: what about you're $PATh |
| 21:41.30 | siimo | abrotman: but its an old bug.. the current version doesnt install for me either |
| 21:41.32 | willis2 | I just downloaded the debian cd and i want to install the latest unstable kernel how do i choose it during setup with the cd? |
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| 21:41.36 | sjensen | cat: I think I just said that? |
| 21:41.39 | pinx | stew - thanks - I am trying to clone my os onto a seperate area on the HDD which used to be occupied by XP, and has the boot flag. Can I copy the mbr into the new /boot partition I will create? |
| 21:41.51 | abrotman | siimo: how old is it ? |
| 21:42.22 | cat | sjensen: perhaps tell me what's going on with you're $PATh |
| 21:42.30 | siimo | abrotman: reported : Sat, 29 Jul 2006 |
| 21:42.53 | siimo | abrotman: also says it has been fixed |
| 21:42.58 | sjensen | cat: It remains the same when I login, even though I made changes in my /etc/profile file. That should be answer enough? |
| 21:43.20 | cat | sjensen: did you started GDM in a directory or startx? |
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| 21:43.44 | stew | pinx: linux/lilo/grub doesn't care about the boot flag |
| 21:43.49 | cat | because if you did. it will give you the same $PATh over and over |
| 21:44.05 | stew | pinx: and you don't want an mbr on a partition. you shouldn't have to do anything except reonfigure the booloader |
| 21:44.33 | pickcoder | willis2: if you downloaded the unstable CD, then you will get the unstable kernel |
| 21:44.33 | EvilDin | how can i as root run program as nobody |
| 21:44.40 | pinx | stew - ok that's grub |
| 21:44.42 | sjensen | cat: Hm, GDM starts automatically with deb. I see that I get the updated $PATH in tty1, I'Ăll try to completely kill gdm and see again. |
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| 21:45.21 | cat | right... |
| 21:45.30 | cat | try that though |
| 21:45.36 | pinx | stew: but I'm about to repartition the old XP area of the HDD - will that affect the MBR? |
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| 21:45.57 | willis2 | is testing unstable? |
| 21:46.03 | eguzkia | hello |
| 21:46.05 | pinx | stew: 'cos XP used to be the "primary" os |
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| 21:46.08 | pickcoder | willis2: no..unstable is unstable |
| 21:46.12 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, thanks. do you know of a good X11 app fpr SMB? |
| 21:46.24 | pickcoder | and you really shouldn't put the sid kernel on Etch |
| 21:46.24 | eguzkia | i have installed all irda program |
| 21:46.28 | stew | pinx: if you are moving to a new /boot partition with grub you should probably just be running grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/foo ; (where foo is your drive, like /dev/hda) in order to create a new /boot/boot/grub directory and that will install a fresh mbr |
| 21:46.43 | stew | pinx: what does '"primary' os |
| 21:46.45 | stew | mean |
| 21:46.51 | eguzkia | how can i do to transfer a file from my pc to my phone |
| 21:47.03 | eguzkia | or there are gui programs |
| 21:47.13 | cat | eguzkia: depends |
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| 21:47.18 | cat | can you mount you're phonoe? |
| 21:47.24 | eguzkia | cat: there are some gui |
| 21:47.30 | stew | eguzkia: perhaps "apt-cache search obex"? |
| 21:47.32 | pinx | stew - I used to have XP, and i managed to install Debian and dual boot. Now I want to clone my Debian onto the old XP area of the HDD |
| 21:47.34 | cat | eguzkia: never seen them though |
| 21:48.00 | stew | pinx: in any caes, i'd recommed running grub-install which is going to give you a fresh mbr |
| 21:48.11 | stew | (and install the files you need to /boot/boot/grub/ |
| 21:48.14 | eguzkia | cat: how can i do |
| 21:48.26 | eguzkia | cat: mount my phone? |
| 21:48.30 | pickcoder | eguzkia: google for Linux and your phone make + model |
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| 21:48.41 | pinx | stew - ok -- I'll read more -- thanks |
| 21:49.47 | jennam | Hi, I have the following issue (shown in syslog): http://pastebin.com/882585 I was interested to know why it was doing this when it is a debian packaged kernel and it used to utilize the full 2048MB in the past? |
| 21:49.47 | sjensen | cat: That didnt help anything, do you know if gdm specifies $PATH on its own somewhere? Pretty weird this. |
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| 21:50.04 | snowbird | does etch work with wpa2? |
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| 21:50.25 | cat | nope... |
| 21:50.28 | jennam | snowbird, i think that depends on the driver of the wireless device |
| 21:50.31 | cat | never really seen that though sjensen |
| 21:50.47 | jelly-home | pinx: if you want to extend the existing linux partition over the now free space, you can use gparted or qtparted to do that. Backup is strongly recommended before any messing with partition tools. |
| 21:50.50 | snowbird | i see so i should turn it off and see? |
| 21:51.08 | sjensen | cat: Fair enough, I'll google some. Thanks, though. |
| 21:51.13 | jennam | perhaps |
| 21:51.14 | I-kido | I've got Ubuntu on Disk1, gonna Install Etch on disk2, where should I install the grub for Etch so I can dual-boot? |
| 21:51.15 | pinx | jelly-home: yep - thanks |
| 21:51.24 | cat | blaH |
| 21:51.25 | sidjster | how do i change font path |
| 21:51.38 | cat | sidjster: ? |
| 21:51.46 | Supaplex | use salt to tempt it elsewhere |
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| 21:52.01 | sidjster | xserver bad font path error? |
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| 21:53.58 | I-kido | x_link good to see you man! |
| 21:54.14 | x_link | LOL !!! |
| 21:54.17 | x_link | =) |
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| 21:54.24 | sidjster | i really have no idea why unstable is actually running on my pc |
| 21:54.30 | embrik | Is it possible to install ver 1.3.n in debian the easy way: apt-get install, in other words; what would the adresse in repository be? |
| 21:54.36 | sidjster | like i willed it there with my mind |
| 21:54.46 | embrik | Version 1.1.3 of scribus |
| 21:54.56 | embrik | 1.3 |
| 21:56.45 | sidjster | how can i tell how much hd space a particular program is taking up? |
| 21:57.07 | sidjster | please now |
| 21:58.05 | sidjster | tell me goddam it |
| 21:58.06 | snowbird | can i apt xtra soundblaster drivers |
| 21:58.08 | cat | damn gtkpod takes long to update |
| 21:58.23 | cat | snowbird: If you have the propers mirrors i cannot see why not |
| 21:58.58 | snowbird | yeah sems alsa missed sb live drivers |
| 21:59.18 | raf256 | lol @ sidjster |
| 21:59.28 | Zaggynl | I'm trying to reinstall grub, but when I type 'setyp (hd0)' in the grub prompt, I get back 'Invalid device requested' |
| 21:59.32 | Zaggynl | *setup |
| 21:59.35 | raf256 | sidjster: check in synaptic, for example |
| 21:59.49 | sidjster | alright |
| 21:59.54 | raf256 | Zaggynl: type setup (hd and press TAB |
| 22:00.15 | Zaggynl | raf256, I see hd0 and hd1 |
| 22:00.19 | raf256 | Im on testing, how to install one package from unstable? using aptitude |
| 22:00.41 | xNinja | ---why linux is more secure than windows ?? |
| 22:01.01 | Zaggynl | not vulnerable to windows virii |
| 22:01.25 | raf256 | using access rights |
| 22:01.34 | raf256 | not designed by idiots for idiots |
| 22:01.38 | pinx | !tell raf256 about backports |
| 22:01.41 | h3sp4wn | raf256: aptitude install whatever/unstable |
| 22:01.42 | apk | Written from the beginning with multi-user in mind. |
| 22:01.52 | jelly-home | xNinja: it's not a monoculture. vulnerabilities for one Linux OS might or might not work on others |
| 22:02.24 | sidjster | thank you |
| 22:02.29 | xNinja | jelly-home about controlling the system and securing it...why linux is better |
| 22:02.46 | h3sp4wn | raf256: but you need APT::Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 22:02.49 | sidjster | raf i am forever endebted to you |
| 22:03.04 | raf256 | sidjster: lol ok |
| 22:03.11 | jelly-home | raf256: if you have unstable in sources.list and appropriate pinning not to use it by default, you can do aptitude install package=version or maybe aptitude install package/unstable |
| 22:03.20 | h3sp4wn | raf256: (you need the colon) |
| 22:03.28 | ma3x | how can I see what are the last few packages I've installed? |
| 22:03.30 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: how to check is tor in backports |
| 22:03.39 | raf256 | dpkg: why is tor not in testing |
| 22:03.39 | dpkg | tor is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tor |
| 22:03.40 | h3sp4wn | raf256: backports are for sarge only |
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| 22:04.10 | GeorgeS069 | xNinja: one reason linux is more secure is that there is no profit to be made by a lack of security.if windows was truly secure 10 companies would be out of business:) |
| 22:04.57 | xNinja | i want 3 or 5 reasons...can u give me ? |
| 22:05.17 | jelly-home | xNinja: you were already given at least 3 reasons |
| 22:05.23 | sidjster | no viruses |
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| 22:05.43 | jelly-home | sidjster: but there are trojans |
| 22:06.13 | sidjster | dood whatever |
| 22:06.15 | xNinja | can you peoples give me more clear topics ? |
| 22:06.21 | GeorgeS069 | xNinja: sony "rootkits" don't work in linux |
| 22:07.04 | sidjster | theres like a handfull of linux trojans compaired to windows truck load full |
| 22:07.28 | jennam | will debian 64bit work well with 32bit binaries? |
| 22:07.38 | jelly-home | sidjster: I see php apps hosted on linux being exploited every day |
| 22:07.55 | valdyn | jennam: sure, though it's probably not as simple as that |
| 22:08.01 | h3sp4wn | jennam: depends which (and whether you mind using a chroot) |
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| 22:08.09 | snowbird | there are linux root kits |
| 22:08.11 | amphi | xNinja: not do something as braindead as using filename 'extensions' to determine executabilitude is one thing |
| 22:08.15 | raf256 | so - I am on testing - can I at all install tor? |
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| 22:09.07 | h3sp4wn | raf256: echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 22:09.13 | jonas3 | Hello |
| 22:09.15 | jelly-home | raf256: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 22:09.48 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: down; and now? add unstable to sources list/ |
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| 22:10.02 | dunpeal | how could I disable ipv6 system-wide? |
| 22:10.15 | raf256 | dunpeal: I thik there is /proc/net option |
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| 22:10.23 | I-kido | I've got Ubuntu on Disk1, gonna Install Etch on disk2, where should I install the grub for Etch so I can dual-boot? Pls help |
| 22:10.29 | valdyn | dunpeal: blacklist the ipv6 module |
| 22:10.32 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 22:10.32 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 22:10.33 | h3sp4wn | raf256: yep before you install anything (do apt-cache policy xserver-xorg) |
| 22:10.37 | sidjster | mbr huh? |
| 22:10.46 | raf256 | I-kido: for example on disc 2 |
| 22:10.48 | h3sp4wn | raf256: You should see the priority as 990 for testing and 500 for unstable |
| 22:11.00 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: I (trie t) use aptitude not apt |
| 22:11.03 | I-kido | yes raf256... |
| 22:11.10 | dunpeal | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:11.22 | raf256 | how do do the policy thingy for aptitude |
| 22:11.54 | jelly-home | raf256: same as for apt. read that manual. |
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| 22:12.56 | raf256 | jelly-home: :/ Im lazy |
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| 22:12.57 | jelly-home | raf256: piss off, then |
| 22:12.57 | raf256 | woah, friendly attitude |
| 22:13.02 | jelly-home | raf256: likewise. |
| 22:13.21 | raf256 | 90% of things ppl ask here can as well be check in the man or in google |
| 22:13.44 | jelly-home | raf256: You're lazy enough not to check the manual, but expect someone else to do it instead? |
| 22:13.50 | amphi | 90% of statistics are made up on the spot |
| 22:14.04 | jelly-home | 90% of everything is rubbish |
| 22:14.05 | dmb | is there any ipv6 debian mirrors? |
| 22:14.13 | raf256 | jelly-home: no, I hoped someone rembemers it |
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| 22:14.39 | jelly-home | raf256: dude, what you need is there in the manual. READ IT. |
| 22:14.41 | sjensen | raf256: you just better get used to it, man is by far the fastest way to find out stuff |
| 22:14.52 | sjensen | raf256: I hated it at first too. |
| 22:14.57 | xNinja | GeorgeS069 nice point :D |
| 22:15.01 | h3sp4wn | unless its the man page of xterm |
| 22:15.18 | sidjster | package discover 1 needs to be removed from sid? |
| 22:15.18 | valdyn | dmb: what for? |
| 22:15.27 | GeorgeS069 | ty |
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| 22:16.02 | dmb | valdyn: so that I can use them instead of ipv4 mirrors |
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| 22:16.08 | dmb | im setting up and ipv6-only system |
| 22:16.22 | valdyn | dmb: that's silly, don't do it |
| 22:16.36 | dmb | its for ipv6 development |
| 22:16.43 | valdyn | dmb: but btw, ipv6 is backwards compatible to ipv4 |
| 22:16.51 | dmb | not really |
| 22:17.57 | valdyn | dmb: you can have access to ipv4 addresses from your ipv6 system, that's what i mean |
| 22:18.12 | raf256 | yey, -t |
| 22:18.25 | dmb | valdyn: how? |
| 22:18.30 | sidjster | is discover1 the same as discover? |
| 22:18.34 | Acu_01 | I am so confused by inability to read DVD RW media - even DVD-R are not read in some cases - what should I do to have UNIVERSAL DVD reader in Debian Etch ? |
| 22:19.03 | Acu_01 | I have two DVD drives one is old and is DVD reader only - the second is DVD DL RW |
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| 22:20.47 | valdyn | dmb: depends on your isp i guess |
| 22:21.00 | valdyn | dmb: your ipv6 connectivity provider, rather |
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| 22:21.24 | dmb | valdyn: luckilly, i don't think sixxs provides ipv4 compatibility |
| 22:21.56 | sidjster | dosent say you have to remove the discover it just says it helps with boot time |
| 22:22.09 | valdyn | dmb: they do |
| 22:22.17 | dmb | valdyn: how? |
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| 22:22.24 | sidjster | Sid (kernel 2.6.16) with discover script removed. (png)(tgz log) |
| 22:22.24 | sidjster | No time difference |
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| 22:22.38 | hlpwfuse | hi, there's something to convert movies from avi to 3gp for deb ? |
| 22:22.56 | mustafa | does anyone help me to recover a ntfs usb external drive who was table partition rewrite by WIN$ |
| 22:23.12 | mustafa | bootable crom |
| 22:23.12 | valdyn | dmb: read the manual? something following the pattern: "slashdot.org.sixxs.net" to access "slashdot.org" |
| 22:23.44 | dmb | valdyn: well, theres nothing i can really do to prevent that |
| 22:23.55 | dmb | besides blacklist the site, which i won't do |
| 22:24.20 | valdyn | dmb: why would you? |
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| 22:24.35 | dmb | creating an ipv6-only shell service |
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| 22:27.14 | Spudchat | im trying to install java, and i see that i need to install java-package, but when i try to it's not found...do i need to add any repos or anything? |
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| 22:28.03 | siimo | has anyone here installed stock azureus on sid/unstable |
| 22:28.06 | valdyn | Spudchat: in which debian release? |
| 22:28.11 | Spudchat | sarge |
| 22:28.16 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 22:28.17 | dpkg | i heard java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 22:28.28 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 22:28.28 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 22:28.35 | Spudchat | thx |
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| 22:29.22 | siimo | i think azureus uses gcj |
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| 22:30.11 | SDBolts21 | how can i mount to a smb share? |
| 22:30.53 | pickcoder | SDBolts21: man smbmount |
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| 22:33.21 | jonas3 | I have a server that can get 5 Mbit for each interface it gets from DHCP |
| 22:33.30 | jonas3 | becasue of QoS |
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| 22:33.37 | eguzkia | someone can help me with infrared port |
| 22:33.49 | eguzkia | i need to transfer file with infrared |
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| 22:33.57 | eguzkia | how can i do? |
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| 22:34.05 | jonas3 | I want to put several virtual interface on one physical interface and load balance between them |
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| 22:34.08 | jonas3 | How do I do it? |
| 22:34.09 | eguzkia | i have installed irda-utils |
| 22:34.15 | jonas3 | I have a server that can get 5 Mbit for each interface it gets from DHCP |
| 22:34.17 | jonas3 | becasue of QoS |
| 22:34.19 | jonas3 | I have a server that can get 5 Mbit for each interface it gets from DHCP |
| 22:34.24 | jonas3 | How do I do it? |
| 22:34.29 | jonas3 | I want to put several virtual interface on one physical interface and load balance between them |
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| 22:35.27 | dosty | hi |
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| 22:35.47 | dosty | how are u |
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| 22:37.01 | infernix | jonas3: www.lartc.org |
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| 22:37.35 | jonas3 | infernix, thanks |
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| 22:38.41 | infernix | jonas3: not easy though. look for multihomed setups, and you can also look at proxy servers which support multiple ips (like squid) |
| 22:38.59 | jonas3 | ok thanks |
| 22:39.18 | jonas3 | Well I have a box that I can get serverl IPs to. Each IP gets 5 Mbit thorughput from ISP |
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| 22:39.19 | infernix | jonas3: however you can not combine them so that you can have a single 10mbit download unless the other end supports it. |
| 22:39.43 | infernix | which is unlikely. |
| 22:39.48 | jonas3 | So I want to put 5 IPs on one interface to get 25 Mbit. The interface is a 100 Mbit. |
| 22:39.49 | AcuraX | whatis kbfx |
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| 22:40.30 | jonas3 | Sending should be ok if I have a loopback IP ? |
| 22:40.52 | pickcoder | jonas3: have you considered bandwidth shaping by source IP? |
| 22:41.18 | jonas3 | yes |
| 22:41.29 | jonas3 | One ISP I have use it |
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| 22:41.33 | jonas3 | :-) |
| 22:41.47 | jonas3 | 100 Mbit interface but each IP only gets 5 Mbit |
| 22:41.54 | infernix | jonas3: as i said, its unlikely that you can bond them together for 1 25mbit up- or download. you can however use balancing so that you can get 25 combined with multiple up- and downloads. |
| 22:42.07 | jonas3 | ok cool |
| 22:42.15 | jonas3 | thnx |
| 22:42.36 | GeorgeS069 | AcuraX: /msg dpkg info kbfx |
| 22:43.15 | AcuraX | How would i make kbfx my default menu instead of kmenu? |
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| 22:47.50 | jfro | how do i disable a modulethat's automatically loading on startup? |
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| 22:48.22 | jfro | i have pcilynx and eth1394 loading that i don't want |
| 22:48.30 | jfro | but they do so automatically, nothing saying to load them |
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| 22:48.57 | willis2 | I'm trying to install the unstable etch from my sarge, when it asks me if i want to delete the current kernel i'm in while in that kernel, should i? it says its unsafe |
| 22:49.11 | siimo | try /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:49.34 | h3sp4wn | willis2: are you currently running 2.4 ? if you are I would update to 2.6 first |
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| 22:49.52 | jfro | siimo: ok thanks, i'll see if that does it |
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| 22:49.54 | willis2 | no 2.6 |
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| 22:50.34 | willis2 | but i a m sure you've run into that problem yourself..? |
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| 22:51.28 | h3sp4wn | willis2: That has only happened to me when running 2.4 |
| 22:51.59 | h3sp4wn | willis2: are you using a custom compiled kernel or one from backports ? |
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| 22:52.24 | brianski | hmm, i tried to remove a package with dpkg i shouldn't have. now when i do dpkg -l | grep $pkgname the first char is r, ie "ri libc6 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 ..." - is there a way to clear whatever is marking that r there, so it says ii like other installed packages? |
| 22:52.36 | h3sp4wn | willis2: (try making sure the linux-image-2.6 virtual package is installed prior to the dist-upgrade) |
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| 22:52.54 | brianski | usually i just dpkg --force-all -r $foo ; apt-get install $foo, but i don't want to do that with libc :) |
| 22:53.00 | willis2 | one from the interenet |
| 22:53.09 | brianski | (and if you're wondering why i tried to remove it, i thought libc6-xen took it's place - apparently it doesn't) |
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| 22:53.17 | willis2 | whats the package |
| 22:53.19 | medc | hello |
| 22:53.28 | h3sp4wn | brianski: Why are you installing ubuntu's libc on debian |
| 22:53.38 | willis2 | but thats not the point.. no matter what i do i'm ganna be deleteing a kernel while in it |
| 22:53.40 | willis2 | should i not? |
| 22:53.46 | brianski | h3sp4wn, err, i'm in the wrong channel aren't i |
| 22:54.02 | brianski | sorry bout that. will join ubuntu and ask there. anyone know offhand tho? |
| 22:54.17 | medc | i installed Debian etch yesterday....and it worked fine..after that i need to install windows xp for job thing...and today i want to load Linux ....and the windows loader does not allow GRUB to start :! |
| 22:54.43 | willis2 | medc i'm having same problem |
| 22:55.06 | medc | and i try to try a boot from cd and all i got is reinstall :S |
| 22:55.15 | h3sp4wn | brianski: try apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew libc6 |
| 22:55.25 | medc | willis2, do u have 2 hdd or 1? |
| 22:55.33 | willis2 | just 1 |
| 22:55.58 | willis2 | i can get to Grub shell but cant load the kernel |
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| 22:56.05 | willis2 | i think the etch not working |
| 22:56.07 | brianski | h3sp4wn, thanks - that looks about right. |
| 22:56.07 | Caitriona | medc, use the command line on the install CD to boot into the linux partition. |
| 22:56.28 | Caitriona | medc, linux root=/dev/whatever |
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| 22:56.53 | medc | Caitriona, in the first screen??? |
| 22:57.23 | cld2 | what does linux have that is veritas like in the ability to import and export volumes from a shared storage device? |
| 22:57.25 | Caitriona | medc, at the boot loader on the install cd, yeadh |
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| 23:00.08 | brianski | thanks h3sp4wn, that was exactly what i was looking for |
| 23:01.39 | rahul | cld2: shared? |
| 23:01.50 | rahul | cld2: you could use nfs... |
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| 23:02.46 | cld2 | rahul: direct attache is needed for the speed |
| 23:02.55 | rahul | attache? |
| 23:02.56 | cld2 | can lvm2 do import and exports? |
| 23:03.03 | rahul | import and export of what? |
| 23:03.03 | cld2 | sorry, attach |
| 23:03.08 | cld2 | of a volume group. |
| 23:03.10 | rahul | direct to what? |
| 23:03.18 | rahul | what do you mean import and export? |
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| 23:03.37 | cld2 | with veritas volume manager you can export a volume group and import it onto another server |
| 23:04.11 | rahul | ... |
| 23:04.16 | rahul | cld2: nfs. |
| 23:04.31 | cld2 | nfs is to slow |
| 23:04.50 | rahul | how so? |
| 23:04.54 | cld2 | and as far as I know (I could be wrong) you cant have a very redundant nfs setup. |
| 23:05.12 | brianski | in nfsv4 i think you can |
| 23:05.18 | cld2 | its network based. I need direct attach |
| 23:05.32 | cld2 | brianski: like have many servers able to expor a given volume? |
| 23:05.33 | brianski | there is always coda or sshfs |
| 23:05.42 | cld2 | never heard of coda |
| 23:05.51 | brianski | oh nevermind. for that you'll need ocfs or gfs or so i think |
| 23:06.02 | rahul | cld2: "export a volume group and import it onto another server" <- that's network based, no? |
| 23:06.16 | rahul | you're asking for sharing over a network |
| 23:06.24 | cld2 | rahul: but its not directly attached |
| 23:06.38 | rahul | cld2: what is not directly attached? |
| 23:06.47 | rahul | you're asking for something that's not directly attached... |
| 23:06.52 | rahul | "another server" |
| 23:06.54 | cld2 | no im asking for regular san like activity. except that a volume needs to be able to be moved from any given server to another. |
| 23:07.07 | rahul | SAN is different. |
| 23:07.18 | rahul | but N is "network" |
| 23:08.02 | cld2 | just that there is a fiber "fabric" |
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| 23:10.07 | medc | Caitriona, doesnt work the linux root=/dev/sda1 |
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| 23:11.40 | Caitriona | medc, look at the help screens on the bootloader, the kernel image may be called "rescue" |
| 23:12.00 | Caitriona | or boot the installer and hit alt+f2 for a shell |
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| 23:13.00 | medc | i try rescuegui, and it becomes to install again the OS |
| 23:13.29 | willis2 | Do i need to dist-upgrade my stable kernel befor installing an unstable one |
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| 23:13.51 | rahul | cld2: a "fabric" that is a network |
| 23:14.02 | rahul | cld2: maybe nbd will help you |
| 23:14.06 | rahul | network block device |
| 23:14.49 | xand | !interfaces |
| 23:14.50 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 23:15.25 | cld2 | rahul: thanks ill look into that. so I am in correct in calling SAN direct attached storage? |
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| 23:15.32 | rahul | cld2: no |
| 23:15.42 | rahul | cld2: it's a storage-area network |
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| 23:17.00 | rahul | cld2: some SANs use ethernet |
| 23:17.07 | SDBolts21 | command to find ip address? |
| 23:17.16 | cld2 | ok, but never tcp/ip |
| 23:17.17 | cld2 | ifconfig |
| 23:17.22 | cld2 | SDBolts21: ^ |
| 23:17.28 | rahul | cld2: yes, over IP |
| 23:17.32 | SDBolts21 | cld2, thanks |
| 23:17.39 | rahul | cld2: and NFS doesn't need to use TCP/IP |
| 23:17.40 | cld2 | thats iSCSI then not san per say |
| 23:17.47 | cld2 | udp. |
| 23:18.02 | cld2 | still has the ip overhead? |
| 23:18.04 | cld2 | SDBolts21: welcome. |
| 23:18.15 | rahul | yes |
| 23:18.27 | cld2 | ok, so we agree. just miss communication. |
| 23:18.27 | rahul | iscsi can be used to make a kind of SAN |
| 23:18.38 | cld2 | ok, just not a Fiber san |
| 23:18.45 | pickcoder | cld2: what is flowing over the fiber grid? |
| 23:18.47 | rahul | SANs also have overhead |
| 23:18.55 | cld2 | we have iSCSI and AoE here as well |
| 23:18.57 | rahul | they use something like IP |
| 23:18.59 | cld2 | but less then nfs. |
| 23:19.11 | rahul | NFS is at a different level, tho |
| 23:19.11 | cld2 | pickcoder: pictures |
| 23:19.13 | xand | how do you use multiple IP addresses on one interface? |
| 23:19.23 | rahul | xand: ip aliasing |
| 23:19.38 | justin | cld2: maybe you want something like mogilefs |
| 23:19.54 | pickcoder | cld2: that's not what I meant.. |
| 23:20.00 | cld2 | justin: ill add that to my list of things to look at. thanks. |
| 23:20.16 | SDBolts21 | VERY NOOB ?, but can you run the same command in putty like if you are the system console. |
| 23:20.20 | cld2 | pickcoder: as it stands now its just an EMC SAN |
| 23:20.29 | pickcoder | so it's IP based |
| 23:20.29 | cld2 | SDBolts21: yeah, putty is like being at the console minus the console msgs |
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| 23:20.41 | rahul | SDBolts21: a shell is a shell |
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| 23:20.57 | cld2 | pickcoder: if you say so. I didnt know EMC was ip based. |
| 23:20.58 | anibal | xand: ifconfig eth0:0 10.0.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:21.28 | pickcoder | SDBolts21: you can't switch between consoles using function keys, from a remote terminal.. You get one terminal per session. |
| 23:21.45 | pickcoder | cld2: I was asking |
| 23:21.48 | cld2 | I really know nothing about the storage bit. I know we use EMC and part of the thing is we need to be able to mount a volume group on any given server that is attached to the san. |
| 23:22.05 | SDBolts21 | is there a better program then putty? |
| 23:22.07 | infernix | SDBolts21: you can use screen to use multiple "consoles" in the same terminal window |
| 23:22.07 | cld2 | pickcoder: oh, as far as I know EMC is not ip based. |
| 23:22.13 | infernix | SDBolts21: no, not really. |
| 23:22.16 | cld2 | SDBolts21: for windows? SecureCRT is nice |
| 23:22.18 | rahul | SDBolts21: it's quite good as far as windows clients go |
| 23:22.24 | cld2 | SDBolts21: but putty is free :) |
| 23:22.28 | xand | anibal: thanks. |
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| 23:22.45 | SDBolts21 | cld2, good point FREE |
| 23:22.47 | rahul | I found securecrt confusing when I used it |
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| 23:23.21 | anibal | xand, np |
| 23:23.23 | Lakez | putty is really nice if you want a true console feeling, enable alt+enter, hit it.. and boom, full console |
| 23:23.27 | rahul | cld2: note that there are 3 major ways of accessing storage, DAS, SAN, and NAS |
| 23:24.06 | cld2 | rahul: yup. |
| 23:24.17 | pickcoder | from what I read just now.. only the iSCSI verisons of their products are IP based |
| 23:24.21 | pickcoder | the rest is fiber channel |
| 23:24.30 | rahul | cld2: direct-attached is not SAN |
| 23:24.42 | cld2 | DAS being scsi or something like that, SAN being fiber and WWN based and NAS being NFS or SMB. |
| 23:24.50 | pickcoder | rahul: they call them "SANs" on the solutions pages |
| 23:24.57 | pickcoder | SAN != NAS |
| 23:25.01 | rahul | I guess you could consider FTP/HTTP as an even higher level of accessing storage than NAS |
| 23:25.13 | rahul | cld2: DAS can be FC |
| 23:25.15 | cld2 | ok, sorry I use them interchangably because SAN acts like DAS once its setup |
| 23:25.25 | rahul | right, it acts like that |
| 23:25.33 | cld2 | were as NAS has something in the way |
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| 23:25.42 | rahul | you can use linux's nbd system to get something like that kind of feeling |
| 23:25.44 | cld2 | and NAS handles all the thinking |
| 23:25.54 | cld2 | so lvm2 cant do it? |
| 23:26.02 | rahul | cld2: lvm is orthogonal |
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| 23:26.28 | rahul | you can use lvm on nbd devices or you can export lvm devices via nbd |
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| 23:26.39 | CryptoMole | hi all anyone know why some of the iso images arent avalable |
| 23:26.50 | CryptoMole | on the installer page |
| 23:26.52 | cld2 | if I have say 6 boxes connected to the SAN and they can all see the same set of disks is the easiests/cleanest way going to be to just mount and unmount a SAN volume? |
| 23:26.54 | rahul | cld2: nbd is vaguely like iSCSI |
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| 23:27.16 | rahul | cld2: if it's on a SAN, use the SAN... |
| 23:27.29 | cld2 | CryptoMole: it could depend on the mirror, sometimes the USC mirror doesnt have the html page, just raw ftp file structure. |
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| 23:27.45 | CryptoMole | debian page |
| 23:27.54 | rahul | CryptoMole: why do you need the ISOs? |
| 23:28.02 | CryptoMole | to install |
| 23:28.06 | cld2 | rahul: so im left with just mounting and unmounting a san volume when I need to move it from machine to machine? |
| 23:28.12 | rahul | CryptoMole: no, you don't need them to install |
| 23:28.24 | rahul | CDs are for people without networks or with slow access |
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| 23:28.44 | CryptoMole | ok tell me how wthout a cd then |
| 23:28.48 | rahul | cld2: what else do you expect? |
| 23:28.51 | rahul | CryptoMole: read the install doc |
| 23:29.05 | harley | ahh |
| 23:29.35 | rahul | CryptoMole: there are about a dozen ways to boot the installer and there are about a half-dozen ways to get packages |
| 23:29.36 | harley | Amphi. I'm having issues with this still (it's roland) |
| 23:29.42 | CryptoMole | ok |
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| 23:31.06 | hlpwfuse | hi, there's a good way to know when a file transfer completed? i.e. when i move files to my pendrive or phone it says nothing, i find the file right in the pen/phone but i would like to know when i can remove the device ;) |
| 23:31.17 | infernix | cld2: what you can do is run iscsi on linux that export over IP (thus over gigE/FC with IP) which is in effect similar to your EMC SAN; for redundancy you can either export the iscsi to servers and have the servers do raid (1/10/5) or have the linux box's DAS be redundant and possibly multipath. I don't know of any iscsi management frontends though |
| 23:32.03 | rahul | hlpwfuse: you can only remove it after you umount it |
| 23:32.13 | cld2 | infernix: thanks for that. |
| 23:32.19 | cld2 | taking it all in. |
| 23:32.27 | hlpwfuse | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.28 | infernix | cld2: however you cannot share the same disk over multiple servers without special filesystems |
| 23:32.28 | anapivirtua_ | Night all. |
| 23:32.39 | harley | Amphi? |
| 23:32.40 | rahul | hlpwfuse: no, it means you still have files open on the disk |
| 23:32.46 | pickcoder | hlpwfuse: no.. it will resync before it ejects the device |
| 23:32.48 | cld2 | infernix: even if access is only occuring from one system at a time? |
| 23:32.52 | infernix | cld2: this is just the same as with regular SCSI disks connected to two servers (cluster); only ONe of those can access them, the other cannot. |
| 23:33.07 | infernix | cld2: no, because the read-only system is not aware of any disk changes by the read-write system. |
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| 23:33.16 | hlpwfuse | yes then but WHEN i know ? |
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| 23:33.20 | cld2 | yeah excatly. so other then mount/unmount is avaliable from linux? |
| 23:33.26 | infernix | cld2: you must use a special filesystem for that, like gfs or ocfs2 etcetera |
| 23:33.28 | hlpwfuse | mean i just issue umount and it does ? |
| 23:33.30 | pickcoder | hlpwfuse: umount will return to the command line when it's done |
| 23:33.31 | rahul | hlpwfuse: close the apps that are accessing the files |
| 23:33.36 | harley | amphi: This is roland. I'm having issues with irssi :( |
| 23:33.38 | pickcoder | or it will give you an error |
| 23:33.40 | amphi | harley: did you register a nick yet? |
| 23:33.43 | cld2 | infernix: thanks. very informative |
| 23:33.57 | harley | amphi: Yes. I registered this nick.. it wouldn't let me do anything else. |
| 23:34.09 | hlpwfuse | mmmm ther's no way to disable delayed transfer ? |
| 23:34.16 | rahul | there is a commercial clustered XFS, too |
| 23:34.22 | amphi | harley: so identify - /msg nickserv identify your_password |
| 23:34.28 | infernix | cld2: mounting and umounting isn't relevant yet; we're talking about whether the disks (sdX) show up for a specific server or not. mounting comes after that. |
| 23:34.29 | rahul | hlpwfuse: why would you? |
| 23:34.42 | rahul | hlpwfuse: just umount it and all the writes get flushed to the disk |
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| 23:35.08 | cld2 | infernix: ok, thats the problem. with solaris and veritas i can have everything show up in luxadm and then when I need it just import the given VG to the server as needed. |
| 23:35.17 | amphi | harley: where 'your_password' is the password you registered the nick with |
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| 23:35.22 | hlpwfuse | i noticed sometime i send file, but they 're sent a while after (mean transfer begins after a while) |
| 23:35.35 | infernix | cld2: that's just a frontend, the same problems apply. what luxadm does is automate the process of changing config files. |
| 23:35.48 | harley | amphi: I typed it in, but I didn't get anything in return. |
| 23:35.57 | infernix | cld2: you still couldn't mount the same ext3 disk RW on two servers without massive data corruption |
| 23:35.59 | rahul | hlpwfuse: so close apps that are accessing the disk and umount it |
| 23:36.16 | cld2 | infernix: indeed. but with veritas it would not let me import that same volume twice. |
| 23:36.24 | amphi | harley: well, you ain't identified to services... |
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| 23:36.32 | cld2 | dummie proof ;) |
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| 23:36.50 | amphi | harley: try ctrl-n - do you get to a window with a response from nickserv? |
| 23:37.07 | infernix | cld2: I havent played with veritas in a long time, but yeah i guess it takes that into account, whereas with iscsi you have to config it manually. however you can limit the exports to certain parameters, like IP |
| 23:37.24 | pickcoder | hlpwfuse: you can enable sync on the device, but it will shorten the life span of the device. |
| 23:37.29 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:38.03 | infernix | cld2: ive used http://iscsitarget.sourceforge.net/ together with the kernels iscsi initiator and MSs software iscsi initiator with no issues |
| 23:38.21 | harley | amphi: yeah, it's not letting me register with a different nickname.. |
| 23:38.22 | cld2 | infernix: so ill start my iSCSI homework. thanks for the help and the links. |
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| 23:38.45 | cld2 | rahul: thanks for the help. |
| 23:38.46 | mmcf | hi, is it possible to be notified when a card is placed in the reader? |
| 23:38.57 | amphi | harley: do you have a regstered nick? |
| 23:39.09 | infernix | cld2: np. its not too hard, really. it took me 15 minutes from building the source to a mounted disk under winxp |
| 23:39.12 | harley | amphi: it said that the nick i'm using is already in use, so i need to register one. |
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| 23:39.18 | cld2 | have a good weekend everyone. |
| 23:39.21 | cld2 | infernix: good to know. thanks. |
| 23:39.35 | amphi | harley: it's the one you registered? |
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| 23:39.39 | harley | amphi: but sending register rolandlakr password' isn't working. |
| 23:39.57 | amphi | harley: how is it not working? |
| 23:39.59 | rahul | clif4d: np |
| 23:40.11 | rahul | doh |
| 23:40.19 | harley | amphi: it says that the nickname harley is registered with a different pass |
| 23:40.35 | amphi | harley: change nick first |
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| 23:40.42 | harley | amphi: and it just says "SYNTAX REGSITER <password>" when I try typing rolandlakr in there. |
| 23:40.56 | rolandlakr | amphi: ohh my bd |
| 23:41.00 | rolandlakr | amphi: got it now :D |
| 23:41.01 | amphi | harley: /nick whatever and then register whatever passwd |
| 23:41.24 | rolandlakr | just figured out how to scroll.. |
| 23:42.11 | rolandlakr | amphi: Okay. think I got it |
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| 23:44.40 | SDBolts21n56 | is there a good X11 app to broswer and connect to SMB servers? |
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| 23:51.11 | Burzhi | Hi |
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| 23:51.59 | Cybane | Hello all |
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| 23:53.53 | Burzhi | Could somebody give me a hand with setting up my mic on Linux please? |
| 23:53.56 | iturk | hi there guys i am getting no scan results with my wireless tools! The board its working! in which place could be the problem ? |
| 23:54.19 | Quintin | Burzhi: plug it in.. |
| 23:54.21 | Burzhi | It is a Logitech quickcam, but I want to only use it as a mic for now. |
| 23:54.26 | Burzhi | Quintin, and? |
| 23:54.30 | I-kido | Could someone help me to get the gpg for: |
| 23:54.31 | I-kido | http://download.tuxfamily.org/myberyl/shame/debian-sid/beryl-svn/unstable-daily/ |
| 23:54.31 | Quintin | Burzhi: dmesg |
| 23:54.56 | Quintin | iturk: lspci , dmesg ... look there |
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| 23:56.26 | Cybane | Does anyone know what port the touchpad for an iBook G4 communicates on? |
| 23:56.37 | squisher | Does someone know how I can find newer Nvidia drivers packaged for Debian? |
| 23:56.43 | Burzhi | Okay Quintin, I've done that, not sure what to do from the findings though |
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| 23:57.22 | xand | !nvidia |
| 23:57.23 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 23:57.33 | Burzhi | !logitech |
| 23:57.34 | dpkg | hmm... logitech is a company that makes hardware. They make good usb mice. |
| 23:57.39 | Burzhi | rofl. |
| 23:57.47 | squisher | Thanks xand... I thought there might be a trigger like that, but was not sure :) |
| 23:57.53 | Burzhi | !logitech |
| 23:57.53 | dpkg | i guess logitech is a company that makes hardware. They make good usb mice. |
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| 23:57.57 | Burzhi | Gah, same thing. |
| 23:58.05 | Burzhi | Anyway, I've dmesg'd, and have it plugged in. |
| 23:58.06 | Burzhi | What next? |
| 23:58.11 | prefumed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.15 | Burzhi | zxxxxxxxxxxxxxx· |
| 23:58.15 | willis2 | If i'm going to upgrade to unstable do i want to upgrade all my packages to unstable first or distro first |
| 23:58.15 | Cybane | !touchpad |
| 23:58.16 | dpkg | from memory, touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2 |
| 23:58.28 | Burzhi | oops, sorry |
| 23:58.30 | Cybane | awesome |
| 23:58.41 | iturk | Quintin: you want to know my chipset? my board its working |
| 23:58.43 | Cybane | That is the answer I needed to finish my Debian install on my iBook ROFL |
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| 23:59.26 | Burzhi | Quintin? |
| 23:59.27 | willis2 | Anyone? |
