| 00:00.20 | sorl_ | bzed, i think i understand that :) |
| 00:00.36 | robin_sz | sigh .. icedove .. why does it run with a 98% cpu load all the time? |
| 00:00.38 | Dewi | wow, lots of internationalisation questions in here of late. |
| 00:00.40 | robin_sz | poxy thing |
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| 00:01.01 | robin_sz | is thunderbird any better? |
| 00:01.05 | Dewi | robin_sz: hmmm. I have to say I don't find it the most stable thing in the world even in windows. |
| 00:01.13 | Dewi | robin_sz: but it's better than the alternatives |
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| 00:01.24 | robin_sz | stability is not an issue |
| 00:01.29 | cartesian1984 | In which package is e2label? |
| 00:02.16 | cartesian1984 | mMM, nevermind. |
| 00:02.21 | cartesian1984 | got it :) |
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| 00:02.29 | robin_sz | Dewi, its not been going long, so i dont have much mail in there, but already itsa bit of a resource hog |
| 00:02.45 | robin_sz | Dewi, probably less than 10k messages in total |
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| 00:04.30 | fsmunoz | bbl |
| 00:04.41 | Dewi | robin_sz: I have complained often in here that thunderbird is very slow. And people argued with me. Then suddenly, for one day last week, it was totally responsive. On every IMAP server I was hitting, not jsut the LAN ones... |
| 00:05.01 | Dewi | robin_sz: suddenly opening a folder on any IMAP server outside this room would NOT take 10+ seconds |
| 00:05.07 | Dewi | robin_sz: unfortunately it didn't last... :P |
| 00:05.10 | robin_sz | coo |
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| 00:05.25 | Dewi | robin_sz: I'm still deeply depressed about the state of IMAP implementations :P' |
| 00:05.43 | robin_sz | I run with 3 imap boxes attached to icedove, it seems ok |
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| 00:06.02 | robin_sz | if you drag and drop a file, it seems to want to go and get all the headers again |
| 00:06.37 | n3kl | I have a program that I am trying to run in wine, but the fonts are all blurry. Has anyone seen this before |
| 00:06.57 | robin_sz | n3kl, you;ve had too much wine |
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| 00:07.13 | dendrite | Heh. Drunken fonts. |
| 00:07.38 | n3kl | robin_sz: any other ideas, is there something else that I can do about it? |
| 00:07.46 | mathrick | karsten: for future reference, I'm stupid |
| 00:07.55 | mathrick | aptitude has search support |
| 00:08.13 | robin_sz | n3kl, sorry, Idont use wine, that was a throw away humurous comment, |
| 00:08.19 | n3kl | \ |
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| 00:10.13 | nweaver916 | crap |
| 00:10.28 | Lord_Devi | Does anyone know why debian's version of vim refuses to look at ~/.vimrc. Or EVEN the config file debian TELLS you to use? /etc/vim/vimrc.local - for the life of me I cannot get vim to listen to ANY config file I make.. |
| 00:10.40 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: it has always used .vimrc for me |
| 00:10.53 | nweaver916 | I made a new e1000 module, setup all 3 nics to have valid IP's (now sure if it will relable my nics) and now I don't have access to the machine :( |
| 00:10.55 | Plazma | does it have read permissions? |
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| 00:11.14 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Yeah? For me it just ignores it.. It doesn't listen to my "color slate" line, my "set formatoptions=tq"... |
| 00:11.17 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: like many programs though, it uses $HOME, not ~ |
| 00:11.33 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: so make sure $HOME is set, and your .vimrc belongs to you and has sensible perms like maybe 644 |
| 00:11.37 | sorl_ | for all those listening to my problem setting locale, the /etc/environment file had manual entries that caused alot of confusion |
| 00:11.48 | Plazma | it almost sounds like the permissions arent set Lord_Devi |
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| 00:12.13 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Yeah I've verified that is fine before I asked. Actually I've resorted to just doing my tests with my /etc/vim/vimrc.local (supposed to be the same but global) |
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| 00:12.45 | Lord_Devi | Plazma: Well it DOES read it.. for instance, i made a line of gibberish just to see if vim would give me a syntax error on it(to see if it was even looking at it) and it did! |
| 00:12.56 | Plazma | hmm |
| 00:13.03 | Lord_Devi | So if it can read it to find a syntax error.. why the hell doesn't it impliment any of the settings in said config file? :( |
| 00:13.14 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: I've never touched the global ones. Although interestingly openbsd doesn't have a global one and it sends it into some kind of irritating "compatibility mode", but that's the only effect I've noticed the global one having |
| 00:13.46 | Lord_Devi | Yeah I was thinking of maybe resorting to trying out compatibility mode |
| 00:13.55 | cat | hey how can i get my wireless card working |
| 00:13.59 | cat | any ideas? |
| 00:14.01 | eniac | wols: solved the problem by adding the correct disk geometry param's to the kernel's boot param's |
| 00:14.22 | karsten | mathrick: Not to argue with you or anything, but why are you stupid? |
| 00:14.32 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: I'm not familiar with those commands you're using. How about 'set tabstop=40' |
| 00:14.44 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: that should be pretty testable by opening any file with tabs :P |
| 00:14.52 | mathrick | karsten: since I can just query for "~i!~M" and it Just Works |
| 00:14.55 | abrotman | Lord_Devi: have you tried 'apt-get install vim' ? |
| 00:15.15 | Dewi | abrotman: actually that's probably worth checking |
| 00:15.18 | Lord_Devi | abrotman: Yeah, I'm using that rather than the default vim-tiny |
| 00:15.29 | abrotman | vim.tiny doens't implement all of vim IIRC |
| 00:15.29 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: oh |
| 00:15.30 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Tabstop=40? that changes tab length right? I'll try.. |
| 00:15.31 | mathrick | karsten: sudo chroot /media/oldhd/root/ aptitude search '~i!~M' | awk '{print $2}' > ~/packages.list |
| 00:15.33 | karsten | mathrick: ... fo installed vs. automatic? |
| 00:15.37 | PaSurf | Dewi: I understand... I really would rather have stability then anything else (unless I had to) Thats why was trying to stay with Sarge, but seems the old debian train is moving on.... |
| 00:15.52 | mathrick | karsten: yes, installed and not automatic |
| 00:16.01 | Dewi | PaSurf: staying with sarge is admittedly quite hard at this stage, but with a few backports it is perfectly okay |
| 00:16.06 | mathrick | ~M matches automatic packages |
| 00:16.18 | karsten | mathrick: Dig. |
| 00:16.43 | Dewi | abrotman: every time I look at the daily release-critical bugs report, I see things like today: 2 closed, 8 opened |
| 00:16.48 | Lord_Devi | Dewi Hey! It listened to tabstop=40 |
| 00:16.54 | mathrick | karsten: anyway, thanks for your help, I need to reboot now |
| 00:16.56 | abrotman | Dewi: i'm all for it! |
| 00:16.58 | Lord_Devi | So... why not color slate, or formatoptions=tq :( |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | Dewi: more fixed bugs is good |
| 00:17.02 | Dewi | abrotman: so my prediction for etch release date is after the end of the universe :/ |
| 00:17.03 | PaSurf | Dewi: I have seen only some issues (at least for me) that etch addresses. Otherwise, I like sarge... its a comfortable od |
| 00:17.03 | robin_sz | PaSurf, is this a desktop or server? really, Etch is not behind stability wise, certainly fo rdesktop use, its got overall advantages over Sarge |
| 00:17.07 | PaSurf | sorry, os |
| 00:17.12 | karsten | mathrick: NP. I learned something too. |
| 00:17.39 | PaSurf | robin_sz: right now its for a server. But testing only for mysql and other applications.... |
| 00:17.46 | Azar | Dewi: is all good the more bugs found/fixed. |
| 00:17.56 | robin_sz | PaSurf, a new install? |
| 00:17.57 | PaSurf | I do plan on putting it on a ws for sags... |
| 00:17.58 | PaSurf | yes |
| 00:17.59 | Dewi | abrotman: I guess as long as the closed count is nonzero it can be defined as "progress" - but not progress towards a release if more keep opening :P |
| 00:18.10 | robin_sz | go with etch would be my advice |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | Dewi: sooner or later they'll go down .. or packages will get removed from the release |
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| 00:19.03 | abrotman | Dewi: though i hope they don't start removing them until bugs in major/core packages have been fixed .. but i'm not in charge and have zero say in the matter |
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| 00:19.08 | Azar | ..and hey who cares if some say Sarge is "old" ? it's working great! |
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| 00:19.31 | Dewi | PaSurf: mainly etch is a lot newer. Things like hardware support and Xwindows have gone through very major changes (presumably Xwindows is much more featureful and hardware-capable than it was in sarge). Then there's about 2 years of advancement on most major packages... |
| 00:19.37 | robin_sz | PaSurf, the core packages like mysql can be expected to be pretty stable as we approach release. its going to be the minor packages where the problems lie in general, |
| 00:19.57 | robin_sz | taht is of course a sweeping generalisation |
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| 00:20.30 | Dewi | robin_sz: it's also quite hard to tell what's considered "minor" in a list of 15k packages :P |
| 00:20.36 | Azar | the only point where Etch gonna beat Sarge is higher kernel for greater support of newer hardware. |
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| 00:20.44 | karsten | Azar: The big issues with aged releases is hardware and data formats. As in: newer server/desktop kit isn't well-supported, and if you're looking at some multimedia and other proprietary data formats, you may run into issues. |
| 00:20.52 | tonb | hey. i'm looking for tool (i just forget name of it) to setup up parametrs (like set it on 10mbit, 100mbit, auto-negotation and so on) and test network device (eth0) |
| 00:21.17 | FarrisG | Anyone familiar with iSCSI? If I'm using a dedicated network for iSCSI, I know it's not really important what IP space I use, but are there any standards that are used? |
| 00:21.19 | Azar | karsten: yes and if there was no such hardware issue in the middle, I would never think of going up to Etch |
| 00:21.27 | PaSurf | Dewi: Ya, some of our external raid arrays where having trouble connecting at boot, but I think that gets addressed in etch... |
| 00:21.33 | Dewi | karsten: there are actually major differences in terms of features for core things like: mysql, php, postgres. Sarge to etch is a very big step on all those |
| 00:22.00 | robin_sz | Dewi, sure, but I can name 20 packages likely ot be well looked after already ... apache, mysql, perl, php, etc .. the big hitters will be under close scrutiny |
| 00:22.08 | Dewi | karsten: I'm using sarge for development but I need all those things on backports |
| 00:22.15 | mindframe | tonb, i know it exists because i played with it when i was setting up a traffic shaping box. unfortunately ive forgotten the name |
| 00:22.18 | PaSurf | robin_sz: I agree, just as long as the nuts and bolts of the system are stable and working, everything else can be fixed.... (sometimes :) ) |
| 00:22.22 | GeorgeS069 | tonb: ifconfig ? |
| 00:22.34 | Azar | so as I was thinking, maybe starting with Etch we gonna get TWO major kernels: one at the release time and a second one towards the end of its life |
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| 00:22.57 | tonb | mindframe p |
| 00:23.19 | Dewi | Sarge to etch also had some big gcc/libc changes didn't it? |
| 00:23.27 | Dewi | it's been an eventful couple of years |
| 00:23.28 | tonb | mindframe ;) yea. i forget it too. i have small problem with laptop. when connecting it into network eth0 just going down and up random |
| 00:23.31 | robin_sz | PaSurf, sure, and since etch has much newer versions of thos packages, its wrthwwhile developing with that in mind ... the nuts and bolts seem pretty good so far |
| 00:23.35 | mindframe | ifconfig may do what you need though tonb. i was using that other tool to change duplex settings. |
| 00:23.54 | tonb | and i don't know why. i think mayby it's related to some aut-netgotation problems or smth smillar |
| 00:24.51 | Guerin | tonb: mii-tool |
| 00:25.02 | tonb | oooo |
| 00:25.08 | Azar | just thinking of Sarge for example: it came out with a 2.4.27 kernel right? but there was the 2.6.8 available as well... |
| 00:25.12 | tonb | yea ;D that is it ! |
| 00:25.17 | Guerin | tonb: doesn't work with all cards |
| 00:25.28 | Guerin | there's another one but I forget it |
| 00:25.31 | tonb | Guerin ;-) thanks ;D. well.. mayby it will work. i hope |
| 00:25.49 | mindframe | tonb: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-add-ethtool-duplex-settings-permanent.html |
| 00:25.50 | mindframe | doh |
| 00:25.56 | Azar | stoned you around? |
| 00:26.20 | mindframe | Guerin is correct. mii-tool is the one i used. |
| 00:26.21 | abrotman | tonb: Guerin: ethtool ? |
| 00:26.30 | Guerin | !beer abrotman |
| 00:26.37 | Plazma | mmm guiness |
| 00:26.48 | Plazma | beer of champions and debianites alike |
| 00:27.09 | Plazma | !beer me |
| 00:27.19 | Plazma | yum |
| 00:27.21 | Adlai | O_o |
| 00:27.23 | Plazma | !beer dpkg |
| 00:27.24 | Adlai | !beer me! |
| 00:27.29 | Adlai | damn |
| 00:27.29 | HymnToLife | !pony me |
| 00:27.34 | HymnToLife | \o/ |
| 00:27.34 | Plazma | dpkg deserves a drink |
| 00:27.41 | Plazma | whats dpkg written in ? perl? |
| 00:27.46 | Guerin | Plazma: yes. |
| 00:27.48 | Plazma | sweet |
| 00:27.54 | d0uglas | fresh install, only getting wifi when i log in with a gnome session and its networkmanager applet takes over, can't do it with kde's equiv, root or nonroot.. what can i apt get to fire up wifi on boot rather than a gnome log in? |
| 00:27.56 | Plazma | once i get some things out of the way, thast my next avenue |
| 00:28.02 | HymnToLife | dpkg is nicer than Ubugtu |
| 00:28.09 | HymnToLife | it gives you your pony :p |
| 00:28.18 | Guerin | d0uglas: man interfaces |
| 00:28.21 | d0uglas | k |
| 00:28.43 | d0uglas | oo nice short manpage :) |
| 00:28.46 | Plazma | why do a lot of debian diehards hate ubuntu? I nkow a lot of debian users/dev's also work on ubuntu, but not all of them |
| 00:28.55 | robin_sz | Perl ... the finest Object Oriented language around :) |
| 00:28.55 | abrotman | d0uglas: set the options in the interfaces |
| 00:28.57 | d0uglas | oh wait different editor |
| 00:28.57 | Guerin | d0uglas: you might have to turn off the retarded network manager, I'm not sure |
| 00:29.03 | dondelelcaro | Plazma: most of us don't particularly care about it either way. |
| 00:29.07 | Azar | hey I don't hate ubuntu for specific reasons |
| 00:29.09 | abrotman | Plazma: that's OT here .. this is a support channel |
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| 00:29.24 | Plazma | ahh |
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| 00:29.40 | bzed[zZzzZz] | Plazma: and better don't start a flamewar ;) |
| 00:29.52 | Plazma | yea.. i didnt want to, i just was curious, no harm meatn |
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| 00:30.10 | mindframe | ubuntu is great :) debian is better (IMO) |
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| 00:30.38 | Plazma | ahh |
| 00:30.42 | Plazma | great responses |
| 00:30.59 | mindframe | ive never met a debian fan who *hates* ubuntu |
| 00:31.05 | Azar | Guerin I still hope that some vital OPEN hardware will pop up soon |
| 00:31.16 | Guerin | Azar: why? |
| 00:31.25 | mindframe | it wouldnt really make sense - both of the distros share a lot of information |
| 00:31.26 | Guerin | Azar: hardware will never be free like free software |
| 00:31.27 | Azar | the way XWindows goes in the future |
| 00:31.36 | Azar | not free as in beer |
| 00:31.36 | Plazma | mindframe true |
| 00:31.38 | amphi | !xwindows |
| 00:31.39 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 00:31.42 | mindframe | anyone tried out beryl yet? |
| 00:31.50 | amphi | mindframe: yes |
| 00:32.01 | mindframe | amphi, how is it? |
| 00:32.05 | Azar | amphi: well yes that X |
| 00:32.18 | Guerin | Azar: nor free as in freedom, since it requires massive infrastructure |
| 00:32.36 | bzed[zZzzZz] | Guerin: ah, we'll see. there're peopel working on open source graphic cards and on other things. imho it'll take 10-20 years, but then we'll have open source hardware, too. and if you look at the cpu specs from ibm and sun, a lot of those are allready open source |
| 00:32.47 | stoned | why is it called X11. Where did the 11 come from? |
| 00:32.47 | Guerin | bzed[zZzzZz]: open source != free |
| 00:33.03 | Adlai | stoned, version, probably |
| 00:33.03 | Guerin | bzed[zZzzZz]: my point is that having an open spec don't mean a thing if you don't own a fab |
| 00:33.08 | abrotman | stoned: it's better than the X10 cameras! |
| 00:33.14 | Guerin | stoned: it's the revision of the spec |
| 00:33.14 | mindframe | lol |
| 00:33.20 | stoned | I see |
| 00:33.26 | mindframe | abrotman made a funny. |
| 00:33.26 | stoned | I'm dandy. |
| 00:33.50 | Plazma | booay |
| 00:34.06 | bzed[zZzzZz] | Guerin: sure, but having the specs of it is enough to get your cpu or whatever built, there're fabs who do this stuff if you pay them. if your cpu is good enough and there're enough people who'll buy it, it'd work |
| 00:34.33 | Guerin | bzed[zZzzZz]: i remain unconvinced. |
| 00:34.44 | amphi | mindframe: I was impressed that beryl worked as well as it did on my old mobile radeon 7500, but that's about it; I retreated to openbox with relief ;) |
| 00:35.02 | bzed[zZzzZz] | Guerin: we'll see. definitely nothing we'll have in the next 5 years |
| 00:35.02 | amphi | mindframe: IMHO it's just eyecandy ATM, not really usable |
| 00:35.03 | peterS | stoned: yeah there were 10 other iterations before they hit on one that was good enough that they could keep it compatible for the next 20 years |
| 00:35.24 | abrotman | maybe it's time for 12 ? |
| 00:35.24 | bzed[zZzzZz] | and now - have a good night, time for bed :) |
| 00:35.25 | mindframe | amphi, it looked very pretty. i would probably go right back to fluxbox if i tried it |
| 00:35.42 | amphi | mindframe: it might be better with a DE (if you like that sort of thing) on a better card |
| 00:35.47 | peterS | abrotman: the Hungry Programmers started a Y window system once, I don't think it ever went anywhere |
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| 00:36.25 | abrotman | peterS: i've seen it .. i vote for Fresco! :) |
| 00:36.25 | amphi | peterS: berlin died, didn't it, changing its name in its death throes |
| 00:36.25 | hatter | peterS: as in the y chromosome ? |
| 00:36.25 | amphi | ? |
| 00:36.32 | fantomas | Hi. GNU GPL question. Is it legal to sell GPL-product opening sources only after purchase? Or it is some kind of GPL? |
| 00:36.37 | peterS | hatter: no, the reason X is called X is that there was another W Window System |
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| 00:36.55 | amphi | abrotman: fresco is the thing formerly known as berlin? |
| 00:37.00 | peterS | abrotman: hmmm - X11R6 was released around May 1994, X11R7 was released in, what, 2005 or 2006? at this rate, X12 won't be out for awhile |
| 00:37.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:37.04 | Guerin | fantomas: wtf? |
| 00:37.05 | robin_sz | fantomas, yes, thats perfecttly legal, but be careful about the price |
| 00:37.13 | abrotman | peterS: it's time! |
| 00:37.13 | lowkey | fantomas: yes. you only have to give the sources to those that purchase it from you. |
| 00:37.34 | amphi | fantomas: but they can give it to anyone ;) |
| 00:37.36 | Guerin | fantomas: it is legal to sell any GPL source, if you can find anyone who's prepared to pay for it. Or any GPL binary, provided you supply the source. |
| 00:37.38 | lowkey | fantomas: however you can't stop them from giving the sources to thier friends. |
| 00:37.39 | peterS | X11R5 and previous had a significantly shorter lifetime than X11R6 |
| 00:37.40 | fantomas | lowkey: robin_sz , and is it still GPL or LGPL or something? |
| 00:37.42 | peterS | so I guess it is fossilizing |
| 00:37.48 | lowkey | fantomas: still gpl. |
| 00:37.59 | lowkey | bbiab phone |
| 00:38.00 | Guerin | fantomas: nothing you do can change the license. |
| 00:38.01 | robin_sz | but remember ... |
| 00:38.10 | fantomas | Guerin: I mean can I prevent ppl from getting product until the pay? |
| 00:38.16 | fantomas | fine |
| 00:38.16 | Guerin | (excepting gplv2+ -> gplv3 |
| 00:38.19 | robin_sz | if its not your original code ... then you are limited to the sale price |
| 00:38.45 | Guerin | fantomas: sure. As long as you give them the source, at which point they are able to distribute it freely. |
| 00:38.54 | robin_sz | "reasonable charge for copying" etc |
| 00:39.03 | Guerin | fantomas: so if you want to build a business on this, you need to think very hard about that. |
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| 00:39.09 | peterS | fantomas: you can prevent the first customer from getting it before he pays. but then he can turn around and give it to all your other customers any time he wants. |
| 00:39.21 | hatter | damn, upgrade to etch, then start kde install , then run out of disk space on / (5gigs) then dpkg barfs |
| 00:39.28 | fantomas | Guerin: well, the only way to live is to make upgates and seel them too. |
| 00:39.32 | fantomas | sell |
| 00:39.40 | robin_sz | sure |
| 00:39.48 | fantomas | Cool. |
| 00:39.52 | Guerin | fantomas: i suppose so. But you still only get to sell ONE guaranteed unit. |
| 00:39.55 | peterS | hatter: moral of the story, all your hard disk are belongs to kde |
| 00:39.57 | robin_sz | but of course, the user community may produce their own updates |
| 00:40.00 | fantomas | Thats what I didn't realize before :)) |
| 00:40.01 | Coweater | support is sellable |
| 00:40.03 | robin_sz | maybe even better than yours :) |
| 00:40.16 | fantomas | Guerin: sure. And support. |
| 00:40.21 | Guerin | yes. |
| 00:40.28 | robin_sz | support is the sellable thing I guess |
| 00:40.31 | Adlai | support is only sellable as long as you want to deal with the people that you're supporting |
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| 00:40.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:40.51 | hatter | peterS: how di fix this now ? it says dpkg was interrupted- you must manually run 'dpkg --configure 0a' which fails |
| 00:40.53 | dvs | Adlai: good point |
| 00:40.56 | robin_sz | this is where crap documentation pays off :) |
| 00:41.08 | Adlai | you want to think carefully before you start offering tech support |
| 00:41.21 | Adlai | Guerin, that's what I feel like doing half the time |
| 00:41.22 | fantomas | Adlai: and vise versa :) |
| 00:41.36 | fantomas | Adlai: (about support is only sellable as long as you want to deal with the people that you're supporting) |
| 00:41.36 | peterS | hatter: if you need to clear up some disk space to give dpkg some breathing room, try removing some downloaded files from /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 00:41.55 | Adlai | a girl tonight made me come all the way to her room before she told me she didn't actually have a problem |
| 00:41.57 | Adlai | lol fantomas |
| 00:41.58 | Guerin | hatter: run aptitude clean first |
| 00:42.15 | Guerin | Adlai: maybe she wanted the other kind of support |
| 00:42.23 | Adlai | no she most certainly did not |
| 00:42.27 | robin_sz | Adlai, nice ... well, it *is* valentines day .... |
| 00:42.27 | Guerin | :( |
| 00:42.34 | Adlai | oy |
| 00:42.37 | peterS | <Adlai> a girl tonight made me come ... didn't actually have a problem |
| 00:42.38 | hatter | peterS: ah, the .deb archives, yes, thx |
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| 00:42.47 | Guerin | I sent my wife a `My preciousssss' e-card |
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| 00:43.15 | peterS | Guerin: nice |
| 00:43.27 | dvs | Guerin: and she didn't throw a fit! "I look that that!?!?" |
| 00:43.40 | dvs | s/that that/like that |
| 00:43.42 | peterS | dvs: like a gold ring with fine writing on it? |
| 00:43.45 | Adlai | I should have just cut a hole in a box |
| 00:43.45 | robin_sz | I considered sending gay anonymous cards to various neighbours husbnads, just to see what happened :) |
| 00:43.47 | Guerin | dvs: nah, she was very pleased. |
| 00:43.51 | Adlai | put some rubbish in it |
| 00:43.54 | Adlai | and handed it to her |
| 00:43.56 | Guerin | robin_sz: nice. |
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| 00:44.09 | Adlai | or a picture of nixon |
| 00:44.25 | Guerin | actually, i didn't even send the damn e-card |
| 00:44.30 | robin_sz | must send myself a couple of cards this year, keep the wife on her toes ;) |
| 00:44.53 | Guerin | the e-card order form was down due to load, so I just dug the .gif out of cache and emailed it ot her |
| 00:45.14 | Guerin | same deal, except now her email doesn't get on yet another spam list :) |
| 00:45.21 | robin_sz | heh |
| 00:45.22 | mindframe | robin_sz, better get other people to write on them or she'll notice your handwriting |
| 00:45.33 | robin_sz | mindframe, point |
| 00:46.31 | dvs | heh |
| 00:46.35 | Guerin | it's the question of `who by?' which is most concerning |
| 00:46.45 | peterS | Adlai: it always comes down to the haves and the have-nots, doesn't it? |
| 00:46.46 | robin_sz | point! |
| 00:46.58 | Adlai | indeed |
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| 00:47.13 | robin_sz | some people have access to rohypnol, other do not ... |
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| 00:47.34 | peterS | yeah. and some people can conveniently get to bangkok, others can't |
| 00:48.00 | Adlai | my roommate once said "hey, if she doesn't say no, it's almost like she's saying yes" |
| 00:48.07 | robin_sz | peterS, in which case, I recommend the "the eden bar" ... |
| 00:48.09 | Guerin | ... |
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| 00:48.14 | Guerin | robin_sz: haha |
| 00:48.19 | Adlai | I'm just glad he said 'sh' |
| 00:48.24 | Adlai | s/sh/she/ |
| 00:48.29 | Guerin | robin_sz: i think I know that one ... is it the one with the katoey? |
| 00:48.30 | karsten | Any thoughts on how often system and hw clocks should be syncronized? |
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| 00:48.40 | Guerin | karsten: cron.daily? |
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| 00:49.43 | kiba | hi |
| 00:49.55 | peterS | I consider the accuracy of the hardware clock to be of no consequence. it exists only long enough to provide a few timestamps before /etc/rc2.d/S23ntp fires |
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| 00:50.02 | kiba | I am having some trouble trying to upgrade Debian to new version of x11 common or something |
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| 00:50.51 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, that or weekly. |
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| 00:50.58 | Guerin | karsten: *shrug* |
| 00:51.19 | karsten | Guerin: We've got issues with systems on which there's marked clock drift, we're using NFS, NFS isn't always available at boot, and system clocks can be off by a lot. |
| 00:51.25 | Azar | hmm it looks like Debian Planet site is dead: in March will mark one year of inactivity |
| 00:51.30 | Guerin | ah yeh |
| 00:51.37 | Guerin | no reason not to do it daily, then |
| 00:51.44 | karsten | Guerin: ... worse: the boot time logged may be off by an hour (or more or less depending on CMOS clock drift). |
| 00:51.49 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, that's my thought. |
| 00:51.57 | Guerin | fuck, that's a lot |
| 00:52.00 | dvs | karsten: an hour in one day! |
| 00:52.03 | dvs | ? |
| 00:52.06 | peterS | it takes a few microseconds of your CPU time, put it in cron.hourly if you really want |
| 00:52.27 | karsten | peterS: There are those here who might begrudge those microseconds ;-) |
| 00:52.42 | Azar | hmm forced my exim process to shut down then ran and removed it completely. Amazingly my system still works |
| 00:52.48 | robin_sz | Guerin, http://www.bkk-gui.de/ede_eng_t.html |
| 00:52.49 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:52.57 | Azar | look ma'! NO MTA ! |
| 00:53.17 | peterS | # time hwclock --systohc real 0m1.255s user 0m0.292s sys 0m0.688s |
| 00:53.26 | peterS | hmmm. I wonder what takes so long. |
| 00:53.35 | Guerin | robin_sz: skanky. I fucking hate bangkok. |
| 00:53.37 | Azar | well, I did not reboot yet... so I am not out of the woods yet |
| 00:53.39 | karsten | peterS: I didn't say it was a *rational* response. |
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| 00:54.02 | peterS | 1.2 seconds is a long time, for what the function actually has to do |
| 00:54.13 | tonb | eh. still no luck. guys. i'm getting (tg3: eth0: Link is down. tg3: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex.) every time when i'm starting generate some traffic from laptop. i disabled auto-neg, speed of network, set tso on off. and still no luck. on 270 packet on ping on LAN i get 68% loses. |
| 00:54.17 | robin_sz | Guerin, not too skanky as far as bangkok goes though |
| 00:54.23 | tonb | does anyone have smillar problem ? |
| 00:54.24 | karsten | Azar: Pity, I tended to like Debian Planet. |
| 00:54.30 | Guerin | robin_sz: no, indeed |
| 00:54.35 | Azar | karsten: yep me too |
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| 00:55.39 | wols | eniac: good to hear but it's strage. you shouldn't have to unless your partition table is funky |
| 00:56.03 | wols | cause on the hardware side, everything's LBA aka a long array of sectors |
| 00:56.21 | wols | no geometry anymore. that's sooo IDE (or ST506) |
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| 00:58.18 | karsten | When will etch be released? http://tinyurl.com/2r4vpf |
| 00:58.55 | karsten | Guerin: Internalize your fear! |
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| 00:58.58 | karsten | Guerin: Yes! |
| 00:59.04 | Guerin | pwn |
| 00:59.05 | skippy | I installed Etch using an x86 netboot CD onto my AMD64 system. `apt-cache search` doesn't show me any available amd64 kernels. Is there an easy way -- short of a complete re-install -- to step up to amd64 on this system? |
| 00:59.24 | Guerin | tbf, I opened an RC bug recently and it was closed in under 24 hours |
| 00:59.28 | wols | what is etch? Is that a DNF epxansion pack? |
| 00:59.34 | ian__ | is there a good source of unified up-to-date documentation about debian? much like gentoo's gentoo-wiki.com and gentoo-portage.com and gentoo.org/docs/ ? |
| 00:59.47 | ian__ | everything i find seems to be scant or very old |
| 00:59.51 | Guerin | wols: it's the unreleased episodes of Debian: the final frontier |
| 01:00.01 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org has some stuff |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | Guerin: was it fixed or just closed ? |
| 01:00.15 | amphi | ian__: apt-get install debian-reference-en |
| 01:00.16 | karsten | ian__: http://www.debian.org/, docs, wiki as mentioned. |
| 01:00.20 | Guerin | abrotman: no, it was fixed |
| 01:00.33 | karsten | ian__: ... or Martin Krafft's book. |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | stop complaining! |
| 01:00.35 | Guerin | abrotman: it was an `init shows you the root password' bug, so somewhat important |
| 01:00.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:02.11 | ian__ | karsten: how is debiian-reference displayed? |
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| 01:02.19 | tonb | eh ;) |
| 01:02.23 | n3kl | Anyone know a good howto on becomming your own ca? |
| 01:02.40 | karsten | ian__: at 1280x1024 locally. |
| 01:02.50 | tonb | my switch 16p is broken... i change switch and everything works ok ;D |
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| 01:02.57 | Guerin | n3kl: google myrddin apache ssl howto |
| 01:02.59 | karsten | n3kl: It's easy, eh. |
| 01:03.01 | tonb | s/works/work |
| 01:03.11 | karsten | n3kl: And it's aboot time you thought of it, eh. |
| 01:03.28 | skippy | so no way to step up from x86 to amd64 without a re-install? |
| 01:03.40 | Guerin | skippy: it's possible to do in a chroot |
| 01:03.43 | wwallace_lap | Guerin: |
| 01:03.45 | n3kl | karsten: well, I never had much use for it as I didn't have a website, but now that I have a revers proxy working ..... =] |
| 01:04.12 | wwallace_lap | hi |
| 01:04.24 | CArsten-eh | n3kl: The usual problem is that your local self-signed cert won't be recognized by a lot of browsers. Alternative is to throw some money at one of the big CAs. |
| 01:04.30 | skippy | Guerin, that's basically doing a fresh install into the chroot, right? |
| 01:05.03 | Guerin | skippy: yeah. |
| 01:05.05 | n3kl | karsten: nah, I just want my passwords encrypted |
| 01:05.52 | skippy | ick. For all the hassle, it be just as easy to back up what little I have and re-install completely. :( Thanks for the info, though, Guerin |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | n3kl: make-ssl-cert .. might be of some use to you |
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| 01:07.05 | n3kl | abrotman: I had seen that before. Honestly, I don't know why I need a ca. I am working on getting openvpn up on the internet, so I was thinking I would kill two birds with one stone |
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| 01:07.18 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:07.23 | n3kl | abrotman: I might check that out a little deepeer |
| 01:07.25 | n3kl | thanks |
| 01:07.32 | fsmunoz | n3kl, the easiest I have ever found was tinyca. Not exactly enterprise material, but simple and easy. For most homemade CA's should be enough. Otherwise follow Guerin's advice. Also OpenCA, which is more complex to set up and overkill for a simple CA structure. |
| 01:08.10 | n3kl | fsmunoz: thanks |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | banananaa! |
| 01:08.33 | Ronin | abrotman: that like bangarang? |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | rama! |
| 01:09.10 | dvs | Rama? |
| 01:09.16 | Guerin | cacert.org is a good idea, but I don't think they have enough respeck yet |
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| 01:11.47 | abrotman | dvs: i'll bet you $5 that etch is released before the end of the year! |
| 01:12.02 | dvs | I'd lose that bet |
| 01:12.02 | ftsac | lolz |
| 01:12.13 | stew | abrotman: you mean the updated etch kernels? |
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| 01:12.18 | Dewi | Guerin: people are a little too attached to the idea that people with money are more trustworthy |
| 01:12.27 | abrotman | stew: no .. 4.0r0 |
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| 01:12.43 | Dewi | Guerin: and besides, the major flaw as I see it is that SSL doesn't allow any kind of vhosting, so the jump in hosting costs makes the cost of certs completely insignificant |
| 01:12.58 | Wyzard | n3kl: OpenVPN comes with its own set of CA scripts called "easy-rsa" |
| 01:13.13 | Dewi | Guerin: cacert can't solve the "SSL hosting with own certificate is bloody expensive" problem |
| 01:13.19 | Wyzard | n3kl: geared specifically toward generating OpenVPN certificates |
| 01:13.22 | mapez | Should I go for Etch or Sarge? This will be my first time using linux for the first time in a yearish.. |
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| 01:13.38 | dvs | mapez: etch |
| 01:13.49 | skippy | CACert published some work-around for vhosting with SSL. |
| 01:13.50 | Wyzard | mapez: etch unless it's a mission-critical system |
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| 01:13.53 | mapez | alright, i'll cook the cd now then.. and try it out end of the month. |
| 01:14.08 | skippy | and according to the ASF folks, there's work afoot in Apache to make it better support SSL on vhosts. |
| 01:14.22 | Dewi | mapez: use the rc1 installer. By end of month etch might be out... but it doesn't seem that likely |
| 01:14.38 | abrotman | mapez: you should cook the CD before you install .. not a month before .. etch is still a moving target |
| 01:14.42 | Wyzard | Dewi: Wasn't RC1 taken down because of the apt-key thing? |
| 01:14.45 | mapez | Oh, is there any equivalent to Adobe InDesign? |
| 01:14.51 | mapez | Alright, I'll wait then guys thanks. |
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| 01:15.12 | Dewi | Wyzard: dunno. I think I've done an install with it since then. I may or may not have run into that problem straight away... |
| 01:15.18 | kritical | Is there a console command I can use to play a wav file? |
| 01:15.26 | peterS | play |
| 01:15.33 | kritical | What package is that in? |
| 01:15.38 | peterS | sox |
| 01:15.51 | Wyzard | Dewi: What I mean is, the RC1 isos are no longer on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:15.52 | kritical | cheers -( |
| 01:15.56 | kritical | cheers * =) |
| 01:16.02 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah. |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | mapez: inkscape is the closest or scribus |
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| 01:16.22 | mapez | yeah, ij ust found scribus |
| 01:16.27 | Wyzard | Inscape is more like Illustrator than InDesign |
| 01:16.34 | mapez | thanks, i gotta run and make dinner though guys! thanks again. |
| 01:16.40 | dkr | inkscape is awesome |
| 01:16.46 | Guerin | Dewi: i run all my ssl through a single vhost, using meta refresh redirects |
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| 01:16.53 | fsmunoz | There's also that Xara thing |
| 01:16.59 | Azar | haahahahahahaha! http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/images/ubuntux.gif |
| 01:17.15 | fsmunoz | If it's similar to InDesign I don't know. They all make squares and elipses though. |
| 01:17.46 | fsmunoz | "Open Xara Xtreme" |
| 01:17.55 | fsmunoz | Must be good, it's Xtreme. |
| 01:17.58 | Azar | Wyzard: bits and pieces of alien stuff |
| 01:18.07 | Wyzard | Azar: looks more like a robot to me |
| 01:18.11 | dkr | more like robotux |
| 01:18.16 | Guerin | fsmunoz: the only thing which could make it better would be infinity-bit encryption |
| 01:18.33 | Dewi | Wyzard: oh... this only happened 4 days ago? I thought the keys changed weeks ago |
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| 01:18.38 | Azar | Wyzard: a robot replica of frankestein |
| 01:19.13 | Dewi | Guerin: I run many off a vhost as well but they all have the same wildcard cert |
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| 01:19.21 | jcole | how can i have wget not download a file but ONLY the headers? |
| 01:19.32 | Wyzard | Azar: Is that because of Ubuntu's decision to ship non-free video drivers by default? |
| 01:19.34 | abrotman | headers of what? |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | HTML ? |
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| 01:19.47 | Wyzard | jcole: I think it has a command-line option for htat |
| 01:19.49 | Wyzard | *that |
| 01:19.51 | jcole | abrotman: the server headers |
| 01:19.59 | Dewi | Guerin: but that only works if the entire IP:port is the one entity with the one cert |
| 01:20.21 | jcole | abrotman: i can get wget to prepend the headers, but not just the headers |
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| 01:20.51 | Dewi | Guerin: if you're an entity, with cacert or a paid-for cert, you're going to need hosting on your very own IP:port |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.59 | jcole | abrotman: i've got a huge list of urls i need to verify, but i just need to verify the headers |
| 01:21.04 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah |
| 01:21.07 | Dewi | Guerin: from memory you can't run SSL on a non-default port without the browsers throwing up all kinds of warnings |
| 01:21.23 | Dewi | Guerin: so you have to buy a whole IP... |
| 01:21.26 | Wyzard | jcole: You might try curl as an alternative to wget |
| 01:21.33 | Guerin | Dewi: i think that's right. The main thing is the hostname/ip/port match |
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| 01:22.01 | skippy | http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/VhostTaskForce <-- this link might be interesting for the SSL vhost discussion |
| 01:22.03 | Azar | Wyzard: the latest buzz is that it not gonna happen. They balked ad non-free |
| 01:22.04 | Dewi | Guerin: once you've bought hosting and your own personal IP, certs seem cheap :( |
| 01:22.05 | jcole | abrotman: ya, that shows the headers and downloads the file |
| 01:22.11 | Guerin | \dyeah, f'real |
| 01:22.29 | Dewi | Guerin: but it's fun to run cacerts on your home ADSL connection as I do |
| 01:22.30 | jcole | Wyzard: hmm, i'll take a look |
| 01:22.31 | Wyzard | Azar: It wouldn't bother me if they did, as long as they present the user with a choice at installation time |
| 01:22.31 | Guerin | Dewi: no reason to use a self-signed cert if you actually need to face customers |
| 01:22.47 | Guerin | mine only encrypts stuff for me, my friends and my family |
| 01:22.50 | Wyzard | jcole: aha: curl --head |
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| 01:23.15 | fsmunoz | Guerin, and the use of that lossy compression lib, forgot the name, homepage was funny as hell. |
| 01:23.23 | Azar | Wyzard: that .gif was related to a venomous rumor that "Is Debian Dead" launched after Freespire moved its base from Debian to ubuntu |
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| 01:23.34 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:23.47 | Guerin | Azar: debian is the new BSD |
| 01:23.50 | Wyzard | Yep, Debian's dying right alongside BSD :-) |
| 01:23.55 | Azar | Guerin: :) |
| 01:23.59 | kiba | Ubuntu is based on debian |
| 01:24.05 | kiba | so therefore Debian is not dead |
| 01:24.07 | Guerin | kiba: can't fault your logic there. |
| 01:24.11 | Dewi | Guerin: didn't one of the BSDs actually die recently? :) |
| 01:24.14 | jcole | Wyzard: wow, curl did the trick |
| 01:24.22 | Guerin | Dewi: some people claim netbsd is dead |
| 01:24.27 | jcole | Wyzard: i've heard of it but never used it |
| 01:24.30 | Guerin | unsure about the others |
| 01:24.33 | Dewi | Guerin: including the project leader iirc |
| 01:24.34 | Azar | hahaha so the day ubuntu moves to another base, Debian will die? wwwoooww |
| 01:24.42 | Wyzard | kiba: Unfortunately, some people seem to have the impression that Ubuntu's being "based on" Debian means that they started with Debian and are now completely independent, and that Debian is obsoleted by Ubuntu |
| 01:24.51 | abrotman | try #ubuntu |
| 01:24.53 | concept10 | unix is dead. Long live xnu |
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| 01:25.03 | skippy | plan9, ftw! |
| 01:25.19 | Wyzard | I wouldn't mind using OpenBSD but I like Debian's infrastructure |
| 01:25.21 | Plazma | plan9 r0x |
| 01:25.27 | Wyzard | things like the alternatives system and resolvconf |
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| 01:25.32 | Plazma | debian's installer and defaults have improved alot since potato |
| 01:25.40 | Plazma | already setup an X login - etc.. nice |
| 01:25.44 | Dewi | Wyzard: OpenBSD is fine, it just has a lot *less* infrastructure |
| 01:25.46 | Guerin | i'm about to deploy an obsd box to run squid and pf |
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| 01:26.07 | concept10 | Its nice to see that the Nokia n770/800 uses a debian base |
| 01:26.08 | Azar | Debian is the high mountain that the pigmees walking at its feet will never notice |
| 01:26.11 | kiba | rpm should die |
| 01:26.17 | Wyzard | If obsd can run in Xen, I might use it for Snort |
| 01:26.20 | unlink | how do i get smlnj to build on amd64? |
| 01:26.22 | kiba | then all is left is deb |
| 01:26.28 | kiba | one standard |
| 01:26.37 | kiba | shall rule the linux distro universe! |
| 01:26.39 | Dewi | kiba: no, .tar.gz packages shall rule the earth |
| 01:26.40 | concept10 | kiba, what about C-N-R? |
| 01:26.54 | fsmunoz | C-N-R will go to a reeducation camp |
| 01:26.55 | kiba | C-N-R? |
| 01:26.56 | jcole | this is what i like about open source, competing tools that satisfy specific needs :) |
| 01:27.00 | fsmunoz | After the extermination of RPM |
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| 01:27.03 | peterS | Plazma: the big change was between woody and sarge. from potato -> woody, the installer didn't change much |
| 01:27.04 | jcole | Wyzard abrotman: thanks guys |
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| 01:27.14 | concept10 | fsmunoz, thats a good one |
| 01:27.17 | pyrohotdog | Can anyone help me figure out why my CD burner says to insert a blank disc...when there is a blank disc in it...? |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | it's a bad disc ? |
| 01:27.46 | Wyzard | pyrohotdog: Are you sure it's blank? |
| 01:27.47 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: does your user have permission to write cds? |
| 01:28.05 | hatter | I inadvertently deleted everything from the /var/cache/apt directory and now ahen i do apt-get update it says : archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing |
| 01:28.05 | concept10 | My aunt just brought me a dead compaq windows box, im sending it back with sarge on in and tell her to kiss my ass |
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| 01:28.08 | pyrohotdog | I'm sure, I've tried many. sudo? |
| 01:28.27 | peterS | pyrohotdog: some GUI burner frontends have poor error messages when things don't work right. it could be permissions or something, run 'id' to see if you are in the cdrom group |
| 01:28.38 | Wyzard | hatter: It's an ordinary directory... just mkdir it |
| 01:28.39 | anson | concept10: thats just wrong, put etch on it. |
| 01:28.42 | lowkey | hatter: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 01:28.55 | Dewi | hatter: make that mkdir -p |
| 01:29.05 | Dewi | hatter: so it creates 'archives' as well :P |
| 01:29.30 | fsmunoz | In all fairness |
| 01:29.32 | kiba | is there a debian repository for playing with truely cutting edge stuff? Like KDE4 |
| 01:29.34 | fsmunoz | With this Ubuntu thing |
| 01:29.34 | hatter | that did it, thx :) |
| 01:29.40 | fsmunoz | We are getting even more elite |
| 01:29.45 | concept10 | My 13 year old niece keeps asking me to put Linux on here ipod, too bad sarge wont go on that |
| 01:30.00 | fsmunoz | In a short time now we will explode because of the concentration of elitness. |
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| 01:30.00 | Dewi | kiba: stable > testing > unstable > experimental. |
| 01:30.01 | lowkey | concept10: ipod linux is derived from debian. |
| 01:30.11 | fsmunoz | eheh, jk |
| 01:30.13 | stoned | concept10: what is up man |
| 01:30.18 | concept10 | lowkey, uClinux? |
| 01:30.27 | pyrohotdog | id says I'm in the CDROM group. Both gnomebaker and burn say to insert a blank...when I already have. |
| 01:30.35 | lowkey | concept10: http://www.ipodlinux.org/Main_Page |
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| 01:30.47 | Wyzard | fsmunoz: You mean "elitist" ? |
| 01:30.48 | concept10 | stoned, nothing much, trying to write some code and about to close VIM in shame |
| 01:31.03 | stoned | ahh hmm |
| 01:31.06 | Dewi | concept10: never close vim |
| 01:31.14 | Wyzard | fsmunoz: I'm currently using an Ubuntu virtual machine within Debian... doesn't bother me :-) |
| 01:31.15 | Dewi | concept10: vim is forever |
| 01:31.32 | Dewi | Wyzard: what kind of VM? |
| 01:31.39 | hatter | wyzard: with xen ? |
| 01:31.54 | concept10 | Dewi, to bad it cant help me with this problem |
| 01:32.04 | stoned | concept10: I don't know how good of an idea it is to record clean and add distortion through effects. I like the amp's distortion. I need to kill all sorts of noise and high freq. stuff before the sound goes into my soundcard. What is the DI box man/ |
| 01:32.04 | fsmunoz | Wyzard, I was really jk, I bear no ill will towards Ubuntu. I actually give it to several people to install. |
| 01:32.22 | stoned | concept10: I want to use amp's distortion. What can use to clean the noise/clipping. |
| 01:32.25 | Wyzard | Dewi, hatter: VMware Workstation 6 beta |
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| 01:33.03 | Azar | stoned ! |
| 01:33.09 | stoned | Azar ! |
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| 01:33.22 | Azar | stoned: where you the one complaining about your screen resolution few days ago? |
| 01:33.40 | stoned | maybe... |
| 01:33.49 | Azar | on intel ? |
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| 01:33.55 | Wyzard | hatter: though I'm using VMware to prototype a Xen setup for a router I want to build |
| 01:34.00 | stoned | Azar: nope |
| 01:34.01 | stoned | wasn't me |
| 01:34.03 | Azar | I found a debian package that fixes it |
| 01:34.03 | concept10 | stoned, its basically to lower the output level of the guitar so you can use it on mic inputs |
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| 01:34.08 | Azar | ah ok |
| 01:34.18 | stoned | concept10: not line-in? |
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| 01:35.09 | stoned | concept10: I go from guitar > amp > amp/pre-amp out > line-in. I should hook up the di box between guitar and amp, or between preamp out and line-in |
| 01:35.13 | Azar | for whomever here is interested: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/915resolution |
| 01:35.34 | hatter | wyzard: yeah, I am doing the same thing |
| 01:35.34 | stoned | Azar: I paid 200$ for X1900XTX video card. I use that |
| 01:35.40 | Wyzard | Azar: I had suggested that at the time too, but IIRC the person left the channel a moment before I finished typing it |
| 01:35.43 | Azar | wow man! |
| 01:35.45 | concept10 | stoned, guitar > amp > DI box > soundcard or other inputs |
| 01:35.55 | stoned | concept10: ok |
| 01:36.00 | stoned | concept10: how much does one cost? |
| 01:36.08 | Azar | Wyzard: I just read an article about that stuff this morning , very interesting |
| 01:36.13 | concept10 | stoned, cheaper than etch on release day |
| 01:36.27 | stoned | concept10: but etch is free |
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| 01:36.50 | concept10 | stoned, look on the web, there are many, you can find them at pawn shops cheap too |
| 01:37.10 | Wyzard | hatter: I'm using a "team" consisting of the Xen router and an Ubuntu box as a client... but I get a warning when I boot the Xen VM saying that it tried to put the LAN segment into promiscuous mode |
| 01:37.16 | infinity1 | what are the dfsg kernel images? |
| 01:37.41 | infinity1 | whats the difference between these two? linux-image-2.6-amd64_2.6.18+6_amd64.deb linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-10_amd64.deb |
| 01:37.42 | Wyzard | hatter: and the Ubuntu VM is unable to communicate... so I'm not sure if that's a configuration issue on the router, or if it's because of the promisc thing |
| 01:37.54 | fsmunoz | infinity1, I suppose they have non-free bits removed |
| 01:37.58 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: the first isn't a kernel image. |
| 01:38.08 | concept10 | stoned, http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitar/navigation/direct-boxes?N=100001+304644 |
| 01:38.12 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: it's a meta package that installs the newest 2.6 amd64 kernel image. |
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| 01:38.38 | fsmunoz | infinity1, but that's just a guess... it wouldn't be on main if it had non-free anyway. |
| 01:38.44 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: its 16 megabytes. it must be a kernel image. |
| 01:38.54 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: not with that name it's not. |
| 01:38.54 | hatter | wyzard: i nuked my first xen setup, had to change priorities, will be back to it the next day or two. the promisc. mode shouldnt affect anything |
| 01:38.57 | stoned | concept10: I shall order one. I got a lot of things from them |
| 01:39.12 | hatter | wyzrd: is the bridge up ? |
| 01:39.15 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: oh shit. yer right :) |
| 01:39.22 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: i cut and pasted wrong. hah |
| 01:39.52 | Wyzard | hatter: Also, if it's any help to you, I found that VMware doesn't allow sending of Ethernet frames with MAC addresses whose OUI is different from the one reserved for VMware... so for each of my domU's I had to manually specify a MAC address beginning with 00:0c:29 |
| 01:39.54 | stoned | concept10: passive or active? |
| 01:39.57 | infinity1 | so for opteron, i want linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64_2.6.18.dfsg.1-10_amd64.deb |
| 01:39.59 | infinity1 | ? |
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| 01:40.21 | concept10 | stoned, they both wok |
| 01:40.24 | Wyzard | hatter: Yeah, the bridge is up and dom0 is able to communicate through it to the domU which is the router |
| 01:40.38 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: just install the linux-image-2.6-amd64 package, and the other will come along with it. |
| 01:40.42 | hatter | wyzard: ah, thx, i will note it for when i try again tomorrow |
| 01:40.49 | concept10 | stoned, I would start with a cheap one |
| 01:40.57 | concept10 | stoned, which would be passive |
| 01:40.59 | stoned | Sale Price: $19.99] |
| 01:41.03 | stoned | yup |
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| 01:41.22 | stoned | with shipping 30 bucks, not bad |
| 01:41.22 | Wyzard | hatter: The MAC thing applies to any Xen virtual interface that's bridged to a "physical" network card provided by VMware |
| 01:41.23 | predder | I want to run a filesystem check on the partition / is mounted on.. can I send the initrd a flag to do it on the next reboot or something? |
| 01:41.26 | stoned | lets see if it helps |
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| 01:41.49 | Wyzard | predder: touch /forcefsck |
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| 01:42.09 | Wyzard | predder: The startup scripts look for that and *should* do the check, though I think I've seen cases where it doesn't for some reason |
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| 01:43.00 | predder | thanks, trying now |
| 01:43.03 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: k. it seems there is a change of package namdes/format. confusing me. |
| 01:43.07 | Azar | yee!!! stoned I just got my new portable flashlight/radio/alarm cranker! look ma' no battery! |
| 01:43.17 | Wyzard | predder: /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh is the relevant startup script |
| 01:43.31 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: there has been some change, but the linux-image-... thing has been there for some time. |
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| 01:43.33 | justin_ | Azar: those are awesome |
| 01:43.47 | Azar | justin_: and looks cool too |
| 01:44.07 | justin_ | especially when ya Crank it up! |
| 01:44.12 | Azar | hehehe |
| 01:44.16 | concept10 | stoned, you should get somethink like this: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Lexicon-Alpha-USB-Audio-Interface?sku=245507 |
| 01:44.47 | concept10 | stoned, but if you wish to record in Linux, you must check for drivers first |
| 01:45.05 | hatter | The etch netinst disk lets me install arge ? |
| 01:45.12 | hatter | 'sarge' |
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| 01:45.47 | hatter | this seems a little strange, the etch netinst recognised the sata drives but the sarge netinst disk didn't |
| 01:45.54 | predder | Wyzard, worked the trick.. found some problems too |
| 01:46.03 | dondelelcaro | hatter: they have totally different kernels, so it's not that strange. |
| 01:46.19 | predder | i just did the touch, not the init method |
| 01:46.33 | hatter | dondelelcaro: yes, so what happens when sarge is then installed and doesnt have the sata drivers |
| 01:46.36 | concept10 | stoned, but it depends on how much you want to spend |
| 01:46.43 | hatter | and doesnt boot |
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| 01:47.29 | concept10 | stoned, if I was recording into the computer I would get something like that, it has Hi-Z inputs (high impedance for instruments) |
| 01:47.38 | Azar | hatter: sarge's kernel does not do sata: either backport a higher kernel or move to etch |
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| 01:48.09 | Azar | ask dpkg about sarge kernel 2.6.18 |
| 01:48.18 | Azar | or 2.6.17 dang |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | Azar: that's bullshit .. it does do SATA |
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| 01:48.43 | hatter | azar: yes, this is why i am using the etch installer, i just though it unusual to go through the etch installer then be able to install sarge which wont boot |
| 01:48.44 | Azar | my sarge installer did not do it |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | mine did |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | on more than one machine |
| 01:48.57 | hatter | mine didn't |
| 01:48.59 | Azar | ]then I got shitty sata drivers |
| 01:49.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: Only for certain older SATA controllers, I believe |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | or shitty sata devices |
| 01:49.12 | hatter | mine wouldnt even recognise the disks |
| 01:49.13 | Wyzard | abrotman: not the newer libata-based ones |
| 01:49.23 | hatter | the latest sarge netinst disk |
| 01:49.25 | Azar | yea, new PC with shitty sata devices |
| 01:49.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: golly .. just like that dman debian stable to do that .. but it does support sata |
| 01:49.31 | hatter | said there were no disks attached |
| 01:49.49 | Azar | wait, hatter are you installing sarge with 2.4.27 kernel (default)? |
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| 01:50.02 | hatter | azar: it wouldnt get that fart |
| 01:50.05 | hatter | oops |
| 01:50.08 | hatter | 'far' |
| 01:50.12 | Azar | hahaha |
| 01:50.14 | Azar | LOG IT |
| 01:50.44 | Azar | hatter: when you install sarge you get the chance to pick the kernel with : linux26 at command line |
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| 01:51.31 | hatter | azar: hmmmm, think, i typed bf26, which is for knoppix IIRC |
| 01:51.56 | Azar | eeekk I used to use bf back in woody |
| 01:52.05 | Azar | never heard if it works in sarge |
| 01:52.25 | hatter | azar: it was early. (gripes) but also i had sarge on another sata machine and it recognised the disks as /dev/hda |
| 01:52.51 | peterS | yeah that will work for some Intel SATA chipsets |
| 01:52.56 | Azar | hatter: if your sata is recognized with the etch install why not use etch? is half way the door so soon it gonna be the stable one |
| 01:53.03 | hatter | then, when i swtiched bios to AIHC it wouldnt recongise the disks |
| 01:53.04 | abrotman | hatta: linux26 |
| 01:53.10 | b0xii | soon? |
| 01:53.21 | hatter | azar: yeah, thats what i am doing now, but i wanted to stay with sarge |
| 01:53.22 | Wyzard | hatter: AHCI is highly preferable for SATA in Linux |
| 01:53.26 | peterS | hatter: you mean AHCI. yeah, not surprising. |
| 01:53.30 | Azar | b0xii: YES soon (translation = when gonna be ready) |
| 01:53.37 | hatter | the machine is going 1000ks away |
| 01:53.40 | b0xii | :P |
| 01:53.44 | hatter | AHCI, yeah |
| 01:54.13 | hatter | and the kernel from backports with sata and udev killed my raid1 |
| 01:54.20 | hatter | i have had all sorts of fun with sata |
| 01:54.23 | Azar | hatter: I upgraded one of my PCs to etch... no much difference. .. since I don't use many gadgets just base, plain simple apps |
| 01:54.51 | dmb_ | hey, i just installed debian using debootstrap |
| 01:54.58 | dmb_ | i can't figure out howto install grub correctly |
| 01:55.01 | hatter | azar: well, I don't have much choice, so fingers crossed |
| 01:55.02 | stoned | hey, you wanna cookie? |
| 01:55.04 | dmb_ | i apt-getted grub |
| 01:55.13 | dmb_ | and in /boot/grub there is nothing |
| 01:55.18 | hatter | stoned: can you post me a cookie ? |
| 01:55.22 | dmb_ | where do the stagesw go? |
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| 01:55.36 | calamari | hi |
| 01:55.37 | Azar | hatter: I guess in the long run you will not be sorry: etch gonna be around for loooong time so you spare yourself the time of upgrading |
| 01:55.39 | concept10 | stoned, ill be back later, im pissed I cant finish my plugin and I need to hit the whiteboard |
| 01:55.40 | fsmunoz | dmb_, try to run grub-install first |
| 01:55.45 | stoned | dmb_: apt-get install grub && grub-install /dev/hdx && update-grub |
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| 01:56.08 | stoned | concept10: have a good one man |
| 01:56.41 | dmb_ | i get Could not find device for /boot |
| 01:56.46 | dmb_ | with grub install |
| 01:56.55 | dmb_ | when i do grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:57.04 | stoned | specify # |
| 01:57.13 | stoned | like hda1 etc maybe |
| 01:57.15 | grilled-cheese | why does the etch install floppy disk size = 1.5M and I can only dd 1.2M? will this make a difference? yes they are 1.44M disks |
| 01:57.29 | dmb_ | stoned: i want it installed on the boot sector though |
| 01:57.32 | dmb_ | not on a partition |
| 01:57.47 | stoned | dmb_: ok |
| 01:57.51 | dmb_ | and that still doesn't work |
| 01:57.56 | dmb_ | it says could not find device for /boot |
| 01:58.00 | dmb_ | im not using /boot |
| 01:58.06 | dmb_ | i put everything in / |
| 01:58.12 | dmb_ | i didn't break it into seperate partitions |
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| 01:58.20 | stoned | try to do update-grub first then |
| 01:58.30 | Wyzard | stoned: update-grub has nothing to do with grub-install |
| 01:58.44 | Wyzard | dmb_: "/boot" in this case means "whatever filesystem /boot is on", in your case the root filesystem |
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| 01:58.57 | dmb_ | well, im chrooted into it |
| 01:59.13 | Wyzard | dmb_: I believe that message means it couldn't figure out which BIOS drive number -- (hd0), (hd1), whatever -- your root filesystem is on |
| 01:59.30 | Wyzard | ah... and that's probably why |
| 01:59.31 | dmb_ | Wyzard: i think it can't find where the grub stages files are at |
| 01:59.35 | calamari | my father is starting in Linux, running Ubuntu. Is there a good Debian-centric book that describes things from a debian point of view? For example, rather than downloading source, compiling, etc.. install using apt-get or dpkg? |
| 01:59.52 | Wyzard | There's a trick... you don't actually need grub-install |
| 01:59.54 | Guerin | calamari: `The Debian System' by Martin F. Krafft |
| 01:59.54 | stoned | calamari: when you start using Debian we'll tell you |
| 02:00.04 | Guerin | calamari: debiansystem.org |
| 02:00.05 | Wyzard | Exit the chroot and just run "grub"... you'll get a grub shell |
| 02:00.08 | calamari | stoned: I use Debian on my other box :) |
| 02:00.10 | Guerin | calamari: debiansystem.info |
| 02:00.14 | Guerin | not org |
| 02:00.20 | stoned | orgy |
| 02:00.23 | dmb_ | Wyzard: yep |
| 02:00.28 | stoned | or g |
| 02:00.37 | Wyzard | Supposing your system is on /dev/hda1 and the BIOS is configured to boot from that drive, you'd run: |
| 02:00.41 | Wyzard | root (hd0,0) |
| 02:00.43 | Wyzard | setup (hd0) |
| 02:01.12 | dmb_ | Wyzard: yes, then i get Checking if /boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 02:01.12 | Wyzard | That's really all grub-install does for you, after it figures out that /boot is on (hd0,0) and the drive where you told it to install ("/dev/hda") corresponds to (hd0) |
| 02:01.26 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 02:01.32 | dmb_ | this is sarge btw |
| 02:01.40 | Wyzard | You can copy the stage files there manually |
| 02:01.55 | dmb_ | where does debian install them by default to? |
| 02:02.07 | Wyzard | They're in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc |
| 02:02.35 | Wyzard | Just copy to /boot/grub |
| 02:02.36 | dmb_ | Wyzard: there is no /usr/lib/grub |
| 02:03.10 | Wyzard | oh... if you're outside the chroot, it'll be /usr/lib/grub beneath wherever your mountpoint is |
| 02:03.23 | dmb_ | Wyzard: yes, i mean inside the chroot |
| 02:03.29 | dmb_ | there is no /usr/lib/grub |
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| 02:03.31 | Wyzard | That doesn't exist within the chroot? |
| 02:03.35 | dmb_ | no |
| 02:03.46 | Wyzard | It does on my sid system... maybe it was somewhere different in sarge |
| 02:03.52 | Wyzard | dpkg -S stage1 |
| 02:03.52 | dpkg | There is no record of a stage1 package |
| 02:03.53 | dmb_ | is there a way i can see what file dpkg installed for the grub package? |
| 02:04.05 | abrotman | dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 02:04.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching <pkg> |
| 02:04.06 | dmb_ | oh |
| 02:04.09 | Wyzard | That'll tell you what package contains a file called "stage1" |
| 02:04.10 | dmb_ | its /lib/grub |
| 02:04.17 | dmb_ | on sarge |
| 02:04.19 | dmb_ | not /usr/lib |
| 02:04.28 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
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| 02:06.51 | dmb_ | ugh oh |
| 02:07.01 | dmb_ | whats cannot open dev/console NO such file mean? |
| 02:07.12 | dmb_ | i think i must of forgot to install something |
| 02:07.14 | Wyzard | From what command? |
| 02:07.24 | dmb_ | from booting ;) |
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| 02:07.54 | Wyzard | Lack of initrd maybe? |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 02:07.57 | dpkg | i guess devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | if those work for you |
| 02:08.30 | grilled-cheese | if i have a 1.44M floppy disk and a floppy image that shows 1.5M with du -h, i should be able to dd the full disk right? currently I'm only able to dd 1.2M before it says there is no more space and dies |
| 02:08.46 | grilled-cheese | it is the etch boot.img |
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| 02:09.44 | Wyzard | grilled-cheese: "ls -l" should show it to be 1474560 bytes, and dd should report that it copied 2880 sectors |
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| 02:10.22 | grilled-cheese | Wyzard: yes, it does, but it also says that it ran out of space |
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| 02:10.42 | Wyzard | That's fine; that just means it got to the end of the disk |
| 02:10.49 | Wyzard | There are 2880 sectors on a floppy disk |
| 02:11.38 | grilled-cheese | i guess i'm just confused when it says it only copied 1.2M of a 1.5M img |
| 02:13.05 | Wyzard | I don't know why it'd say that... it says it copied 1.5MB for me |
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| 02:14.55 | grilled-cheese | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/354645 |
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| 02:15.40 | lunaphyte | iptables, anyone? |
| 02:15.47 | grilled-cheese | Wyzard: should i dd of=/dev/fd0u1600 ? |
| 02:16.03 | Wyzard | grilled-cheese: That's not enough bytes copied... should be 1474560 |
| 02:16.08 | Wyzard | and no, /dev/fd0 should be fine |
| 02:16.13 | lunaphyte | i'm a bit stumped. http://rafb.net/p/IUv9U573.html |
| 02:16.19 | lunaphyte | changing the policy to accept makes it work, but i think i don't want to do that. |
| 02:16.35 | grilled-cheese | Wyzard: any idea why it can't copy the full amount? |
| 02:16.36 | Wyzard | assuming it's an actual high-density 3.5" disk |
| 02:16.38 | lunaphyte | the input policy, that is. |
| 02:16.45 | Wyzard | 5.25" disks were 1.2MB... |
| 02:16.48 | grilled-cheese | it's a maxell 2HD disk |
| 02:17.01 | grilled-cheese | 3.5 |
| 02:17.23 | Wyzard | You don't need the "bs=1024" or "conv=sync", btw |
| 02:17.32 | grilled-cheese | googling it shows that it is a 1.44M disk |
| 02:17.50 | grilled-cheese | ok, i was taking it straight out of the debian install manual |
| 02:18.13 | Wyzard | Is it actually formatted as 1.44, or did it get reformatted to a lower capacity for some reason? |
| 02:18.24 | stew | in fact you can just cp foo.img /dev/fd0 |
| 02:19.15 | Wyzard | Your output suggests there are only 2400 sectors on that disk, and there should be 2880 |
| 02:19.36 | Wyzard | It should say "1440+0 records out" |
| 02:20.24 | Azar | hatter: still here? |
| 02:21.00 | grilled-cheese | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/354658 |
| 02:21.06 | grilled-cheese | does this look right? |
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| 02:21.38 | Wyzard | grilled-cheese: That looks right, but you shouldn't have needed to specify the capacity like that... it should be autodetected |
| 02:21.50 | Azar | hatter: "(especially when started with the "bf2.6 boot flavour" boot image)" |
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| 02:22.29 | grilled-cheese | Wyzard: i know, that seemed wierd to me too, but if that is what I have to do to get it to work, it will do |
| 02:22.53 | duffyd | hi, just a brief question - I'm a little unsure what UTC is and have setup an NTP server to update my time but the time doesn't seem to get adjusted to the 'correct' time - I've setup the TZ and NTP servers right but no joy :-( |
| 02:23.03 | grilled-cheese | thanks Wyzard |
| 02:23.13 | Guerin | duffyd: UTC is like GMT |
| 02:23.17 | fsmunoz | duffyd, UTC == GMT |
| 02:23.18 | duffyd | well I know that UTC = universal time something but just wondering if it's effecting mysetup |
| 02:23.25 | Wyzard | grilled-cheese: I'd suggest reformatting that disk (with fdformat) to see if it helps... or try a different computer, to see if it's just this drive |
| 02:23.28 | Guerin | duffyd: it's not the same, but for all intents and purposes you can consider it to be |
| 02:23.42 | duffyd | Guerin: fsmunoz yup, I did read that but was just wondering if was messing with my TZ/time settings |
| 02:23.55 | duffyd | ta |
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| 02:24.05 | Guerin | duffyd: dunno. |
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| 02:24.22 | Guerin | duffyd: it's usual to set the hardware clock to UTC and the software clock to localtime |
| 02:24.26 | duffyd | I even switched it off in /etc/default/rcS but no joy :-( |
| 02:24.44 | Guerin | but if the software clock is being stupid, you can just go and change the hardware clock in bios |
| 02:24.54 | duffyd | Guerin: ok but how would I turn off the UTC then as 'date' keeps on saying it's UTC time |
| 02:25.03 | duffyd | Guerin: yeah done that :-) |
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| 02:25.25 | duffyd | but it isn't adjusting the time anymore. I also tried 'update -bs tk1.ihug.co.nz (my NTP server) |
| 02:25.32 | abrotman | duffyd: /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:25.39 | Guerin | duffyd: use pool.ntp.org |
| 02:25.45 | duffyd | ok |
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| 02:25.58 | duffyd | abrotman: yup tried that :-) (check previous posts) |
| 02:26.04 | Guerin | duffyd: set your zone using tzconfig? |
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| 02:26.10 | fantomas | Hi. Can I somehow deregister/poweroff 2 PCI slots to move a network card from one to another? f |
| 02:26.12 | duffyd | Guerin: yup done that too :-) |
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| 02:26.20 | abrotman | duffyd: i'm slow and old .. and my eyesight is going .. and i'm dumb .. cut me some slack :) |
| 02:26.24 | Wyzard | fantomas: Does your motherboard support PCI hotplug? |
| 02:26.33 | Azar | haha |
| 02:26.34 | fantomas | Wyzard: how would I know that? |
| 02:26.38 | duffyd | abrotman: sounds like me (on a good day :-) |
| 02:26.40 | Wyzard | fantomas: Unless it's a high-end server board, it probably doesn't |
| 02:26.42 | fsmunoz | duffyd, what's the content of /etc/timezone? |
| 02:26.49 | duffyd | Pacific/Auckland |
| 02:26.51 | duffyd | which is correct |
| 02:26.54 | fantomas | Wyzard: its definitely not of that kind :) |
| 02:26.59 | Wyzard | fantomas: then no |
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| 02:27.05 | Loto | is it possible to see what processes are causing a 'device is busy' preventing a umount command from succeeding? |
| 02:27.12 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 02:27.20 | Azar | I remember once I had same issue with setting up the zone time: was sticking with UTC |
| 02:27.24 | duffyd | I'm getting Perl Locale errors when doing software updates though so thought there may be some deeper issue? |
| 02:27.40 | Wyzard | Loto: fuser -m /path/where/it's/mounted |
| 02:27.49 | Loto | thanks |
| 02:27.55 | duffyd | I'm also using xen - which may be related? |
| 02:27.58 | poppabear | i'm thinking about running Debian 3.1 with DirectAdmin as a shell and web hosting server, was told by other there is a huge security flaw hosting shell user on a "Debian" box and i would have to patch the kernel so often "you would want to drop Linux", i want some offical advice about this .... I am a Freebsd server admin, not familier with GNU/Linux |
| 02:27.58 | Guerin | duffyd: you need to generate the right locale(s) by running dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:28.07 | duffyd | Guerin: thanks!!! |
| 02:28.11 | Azar | abrotman mark this day on your calendar: March 11. Take an irc day-off :) |
| 02:28.17 | Guerin | no idea what effect xen might have |
| 02:28.21 | fantomas | Wyzard: but I heard ppl do this with HDDs. Sure its not the same as playing with PCI slots, but.. there was a hope which now died :) |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | Azar: why? |
| 02:28.38 | duffyd | Guerin: weird thing is domain-0 is saying NZDT but the xen client domains are saying UTC |
| 02:28.42 | duffyd | don't understand why |
| 02:28.47 | duffyd | first Xen install :-) |
| 02:28.48 | Azar | abrotman: DST on the USA, we all are coming here to find how to switch the time |
| 02:28.59 | Guerin | mm, dunno, i only use xen in a client environment |
| 02:29.07 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. it will just happen ? |
| 02:29.08 | duffyd | Guerin: ok |
| 02:29.12 | poppabear | anyone ? |
| 02:29.13 | Wyzard | fantomas: Not all hard drive controllers support hotplug either |
| 02:29.21 | Azar | abrotman: via ntp ? |
| 02:29.26 | Guerin | duffyd: how's the weather up there in Ackers? |
| 02:29.28 | fsmunoz | poppabear, well.... it sounds like plain FUD to me |
| 02:29.29 | Wyzard | fantomas: though I've read that all SATA and PCI Express devices do |
| 02:29.44 | abrotman | poppabear: what is the "huge flaw" ? |
| 02:29.45 | duffyd | Guerin: excellent! 20 degrees celsius outside :-) |
| 02:29.48 | duffyd | Guerin: where yu from? |
| 02:29.56 | Guerin | duffyd: wellington |
| 02:29.56 | fsmunoz | poppabear, I can't comment much more since I never even heard something like that specific to Debian before... |
| 02:29.57 | Azar | bangok |
| 02:29.59 | fantomas | Wyzard: ok, I see |
| 02:30.05 | Guerin | nah, bangkok is nasty |
| 02:30.06 | Wyzard | Azar: You shouldn't need to switch anything because of DST |
| 02:30.10 | duffyd | Guerin: cool, I'm actually from Chch just doing a client job up here |
| 02:30.10 | fantomas | Wyzard: thanks for information |
| 02:30.12 | Guerin | if I never have to go there again it'll be too soon |
| 02:30.19 | duffyd | Guerin: LOL |
| 02:30.39 | Azar | Wyzard: ok, I just read nasty things about pre-programmed DST on some systems.. I was just wondering |
| 02:30.41 | poppabear | fsmunoz, so is hosting a public shell server with Debian just as secure as if it was a Freebsd box ? |
| 02:30.43 | duffyd | Guerin: what's your 'real name' (if you're allowed to tell ;-) |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | poppabear: unless you can give us a good reason .. we'll say yes :) |
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| 02:30.56 | Azar | yea Guering we all want to know |
| 02:31.05 | Guerin | wooo, s3kr1ts |
| 02:31.09 | Azar | :) |
| 02:31.18 | Guerin | i keep a chinese wall between irc and real life |
| 02:31.21 | Wyzard | Azar: If your hardware clock is UTC it doesn't need to change at all, and the software clock will automatically show the correct local time |
| 02:31.26 | Guerin | it's quite easy to breach via google, though |
| 02:31.41 | fsmunoz | poppabear, well, it will come down to your personal opinion on Linux vs FreeBSD kernels, but all preferences aside I would think that it is pretty similar |
| 02:31.56 | Wyzard | Azar: If your hardware clock uses local time, the software clock will make the shift and the new time will be written to the hardware clock when you shut down |
| 02:32.06 | duffyd | Guerin: mine is available via a whois |
| 02:32.10 | duffyd | Tim Knapp |
| 02:32.14 | numist | so.. screen ruins aptitude in this terminal... why? |
| 02:32.17 | Guerin | yeh so I see |
| 02:32.23 | Wyzard | Azar: Actually, in the latter case, if you dual-boot Windows, that'll adjust it by an hour *too*, and you'll have to change it back |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | numist: ctrl-l maybe helps ? |
| 02:32.43 | fsmunoz | poppabear, what I don't quite get from what people told you is the Debian part... I'm not aware of any Debian specific vulnerabilities in the kernel |
| 02:32.52 | poppabear | abrotman, well, all i have heard was that Debian release security patches for the kernel (requireing frequent server reboots) |
| 02:32.53 | Azar | Wyzard: if I would still use Windows would not be possible I used to shut down the ntp server |
| 02:33.03 | numist | abrotman: l as in L? no |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | poppabear: frequent? |
| 02:33.15 | fsmunoz | poppabear, you are kidding right? |
| 02:33.28 | Azar | Wyzard: help me understand hardware clock: wasn't that programmed for the old/current DST? what happens when the new DST kicks in? |
| 02:33.28 | fsmunoz | poppabear, Debian is less secure because it provides more patches? |
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| 02:33.33 | abrotman | poppabear: go read security.debian.org .. look for kernel-image updates .. those are the ones you reboot for |
| 02:33.35 | poppabear | as in so often it would get annoying and make me want to drop Linux :P |
| 02:33.41 | Wyzard | poppabear: Debian releases security updates for the kernel when necessary, but that's not a frequent occurrence |
| 02:34.03 | fsmunoz | poppabear, tell you what, remove security.debian.org from sources.list and it wil never make a security download, so following that logic it will be ultra secure :) |
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| 02:34.32 | Wyzard | Azar: Linux doesn't use the hardware clock directly... it reads the time from the hardware clock at startup, maintains a software clock, and then stores the software clock's time to the hardware clock at shutdown |
| 02:34.41 | Azar | poppabear: there is no need to reboot on security upgrades: it is not a mswindow system ya know.. |
| 02:34.46 | fsmunoz | poppabear, note that installing a new kernel != forced rebooting |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | fsmunoz: no .. but it is a good idea |
| 02:35.01 | duffyd | all this time stuff is confusing |
| 02:35.07 | fsmunoz | abrotman, of course it is |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | duffyd: use swatch internet time! |
| 02:35.31 | Wyzard | Azar: so unless your computer is turned off when the change happens, or you do an unclean shutdown afterward, your system will read the non-DST time from the hardware clock, adjust it in the software clock, and write the DST time to the hardware clock later |
| 02:35.33 | duffyd | abrotman: :-) |
| 02:35.37 | Guerin | duffyd: mm, your site reminds me to make beer |
| 02:35.43 | fsmunoz | abrotman, but apparently what the guys that talked to poppabear think is that less security downloads == better security. |
| 02:35.53 | duffyd | Guerin: :-) |
| 02:35.54 | poppabear | no |
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| 02:35.55 | alrs | abrotman: it's "beats," not time |
| 02:35.56 | Guerin | i bought grolsch swingtops on special, good for bottling |
| 02:35.58 | poppabear | they are just saying |
| 02:36.03 | Azar | Wyzard: I seee ok thanks :) |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | fsmunoz: i think they're implying that debian has more frequent updates to the kernle .. which would be any linux .. not just debian |
| 02:36.09 | poppabear | that there are alot of often required patches |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | alrs: yeah yeah .. |
| 02:36.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:36.15 | Wyzard | Azar: but if you don't run Windows (which only understands localtime hardware clocks), it's simplest to just keep the hardware clock in GMT, so it doesn't need to be adjusted at all |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | poppabear: i would hope fbsd updates those pacakges also |
| 02:36.32 | fsmunoz | poppabear, if Debian has more frequent security updates to the kernel... how is that a bad thing? |
| 02:36.48 | fsmunoz | If anything it makes Debian better for a shell server. |
| 02:36.56 | poppabear | because they are saying that it WILL need a reboot to patch the kernel |
| 02:37.05 | poppabear | there for not getting a good uptime established |
| 02:37.16 | Wyzard | poppabear: Any OS needs a reboot to patch the kernel |
| 02:37.33 | Wyzard | poppabear: The fundamental issue is whether Linux kernel vulnerabilities are found more frequently than FreeBSD kernel vulnerabilities |
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| 02:37.37 | Azar | Wyzard: yep Debian only here and I will see how it will go. We have here two hops to pass: March11 and April1st. March11 for the new implemented time and April 1st for an eventual pre-programmed DST |
| 02:37.46 | fsmunoz | poppabear, Debian kernel security patches correct problems that are present in all dists. The kernel is - some costumization apart - the same and most exploits are dist agnostic |
| 02:38.57 | duffyd | I give |
| 02:38.57 | karsten | Azar: if your system clock is set to UTC, the DST change has no effect. If it's set to localtime, you've got the slight additional twist that technically you should set hwclock to system clock when DST rolls around. We've had issues ... |
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| 02:38.57 | duffyd | karsten: is there an option in the bios to set it to UTC? |
| 02:38.57 | karsten | Azar: ... with ssytems rebooting after a long uptime, where localtime has transitioned between DST and standard, but hwclock hasn't been synched (particularly in the case of crashes). |
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| 02:38.57 | Azar | karsten: in Australia? |
| 02:38.58 | karsten | Azar: ... system logs get barfed a bit. |
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| 02:38.58 | karsten | duffyd: man hwclock. It's set using hwclock itself. |
| 02:38.58 | duffyd | karsten: cool, ta |
| 02:39.02 | karsten | Azar: There too, but I'm referring to the goold old USofA. |
| 02:39.03 | Wyzard | karsten: That's only an issue if your first shutdown after the transition is an unclean one though |
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| 02:39.18 | karsten | Wyzard: System uptimes here tend to be 90-300+ days. |
| 02:39.24 | karsten | Wyzard: ... and lots of nodes. |
| 02:39.26 | Azar | karsten: yep I think I will have to manually set, even though this box never reboots. |
| 02:39.30 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:39.46 | Wyzard | Well, as karsten says, it's pretty easy to save it manually as a precaution |
| 02:39.58 | numist | this is the exact problem I'm having: http://numist.net/tmp/aptitude.png |
| 02:40.02 | Wyzard | but even better to just use UTC :-) |
| 02:40.06 | numist | not sure how to deal with it.. irssi works fine |
| 02:40.31 | duffyd | karsten: man when I run hwclock it never displays anything on std out :-( |
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| 02:40.51 | karsten | duffyd: hwclock --show |
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| 02:40.54 | poppabear | so the fact is that there is no difference in running a fbsd shell server compared to a Debian shell server ? |
| 02:41.00 | hello_hello_hel | quick question, how do i change apt-get to EX. use the testing packages instead of others? |
| 02:41.09 | Guerin | poppabear: of course there are differences |
| 02:41.21 | Guerin | poppabear: most of them won't be very obvious, but they're there. |
| 02:41.23 | duffyd | karsten: yeah tried that but nothing showed - strane |
| 02:41.25 | duffyd | strange |
| 02:41.25 | karsten | poppabear: Um, sorry, what'zactly is your question? |
| 02:41.39 | abrotman | hello_hello_hel: why? |
| 02:41.44 | poppabear | as in the above topic |
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| 02:41.52 | poppabear | regarding the kernel security patches |
| 02:42.08 | poppabear | and the security risks compared between to 2 OS's |
| 02:42.10 | hello_hello_hel | 'cuz i want to use diffrent packages easire without downloading every single one i want to change apt-get to use testing instead |
| 02:42.13 | poppabear | not much of a difference ? |
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| 02:42.17 | Guerin | poppabear: i can't figure what angle you're trying to troll |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | !tell hello_hello_hel about backports |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 02:42.46 | dpkg | somebody said tracker of doom was a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 02:43.49 | poppabear | well i thimnk i found my answer |
| 02:44.33 | duffyd | Guerin: german lagers are good :-) |
| 02:45.02 | abrotman | s/german lagers/beer/ |
| 02:45.02 | Guerin | duffyd: yeh. All beer is good, some is better. |
| 02:45.19 | Guerin | duffyd: if you've ever lived in Asia, *all* NZ beer is worth drinking |
| 02:45.20 | duffyd | abrotman: :-) |
| 02:45.24 | fsmunoz | poppabear, if you're comparing Linux vs FreeBSD kernels per se... I can't really help you. I don't know if there are tangible differences in vulnerabilities (and especially the kind of vulnerability). |
| 02:45.24 | Guerin | except ranfurly |
| 02:45.36 | duffyd | Guerin: yeah I love Ranfurly |
| 02:45.46 | Guerin | it's rough stuff, that |
| 02:45.50 | duffyd | Guerin: I'm actually moving to Taiwan for about 4 months |
| 02:45.50 | fsmunoz | poppabear, and I'm sure that each camp will have different charts anyway :) |
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| 02:46.01 | duffyd | Guerin: not half as rough as some though |
| 02:46.05 | Guerin | duffyd: i would *love* to live in taiwan |
| 02:46.19 | duffyd | Guerin: e.g. Qingdao Chinese beer - *pah* |
| 02:46.24 | duffyd | Guerin: oh really |
| 02:46.43 | Guerin | qingdao is great - kinglong is good too, but I think you can only get it in Wuhan |
| 02:46.45 | poppabear | fsmunoz, do you personal run a shell server with Debian ? |
| 02:46.45 | duffyd | Guerin: going to Japan initially for about 1 month |
| 02:46.55 | Guerin | 99% of chinese beer is absolute dreck, stick with what you know |
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| 02:47.02 | duffyd | Guerin: true |
| 02:47.25 | Guerin | spent some time in fujian, china, it's great. Only a week in japan, too expensive, and I can't stand being around so many japanese |
| 02:47.25 | MidgetSpy | hello all. is it possible to upgrade my kernel with apt? I am doing an apt-get dist-upgrade in it is erroring on the udev package because my kernel needs to be updated. |
| 02:47.54 | Guerin | my favourite place in china was Wuhan, though |
| 02:48.05 | fsmunoz | poppabear, no, I don't run any shell server at all |
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| 02:48.40 | Wyzard | poppabear: I don't run a public shell server, but I have sshd on my Debian router for purposes of remote access by me... I've had no problems with it |
| 02:48.52 | duffyd | Guerin: cool. BTW my wife is japanese :-) |
| 02:49.07 | duffyd | Guerin: I'd like to go to Wuhan too |
| 02:49.08 | poppabear | ok, but my server will be public to paid users |
| 02:49.09 | Guerin | poppabear: what explicit problem are you trying to solve? Until we know that, your questions about `what's more securer' are a bit irrelevant |
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| 02:49.24 | poppabear | is this a bad idea, specifically with a Debian server ? |
| 02:49.34 | abrotman | i get paid to do that :) |
| 02:49.36 | ChompWzrd | poppabear: i've read the discussion you were talking about on the other network, and any OS has potential problems with local users more so than remote users |
| 02:49.45 | Guerin | duffyd: heh. I spent so long in Korea, I'm prejudiced against the japanese now ;) |
| 02:50.04 | duffyd | Guerin: sounds like me and Koreans :-) |
| 02:50.11 | Guerin | i suppose it would |
| 02:50.24 | duffyd | Guerin: but seriously I've got a number of Korean friends :-) |
| 02:50.25 | fsmunoz | poppabear, if you want Linux, then Debian is one of the top choices security wise. That's all I can say for my own experience. |
| 02:50.26 | Guerin | it's like nz v australia .... except with a century of warfare |
| 02:50.27 | karsten | duffyd: Where'd you live? |
| 02:50.38 | duffyd | karsten: what do you mean? |
| 02:50.45 | duffyd | karsten: in Japan? |
| 02:50.52 | ChompWzrd | far more important than what os you run on a server, is what your uplink thinks when the fbi come knocking because someone ddos'd fbi.gov from your server |
| 02:50.59 | karsten | duffyd: No, just country. I'd missed that part. |
| 02:51.06 | Guerin | poppabear: you need to hire a sysadmin if you are planning on offering shells to paying customers |
| 02:51.09 | duffyd | karsten: Chch,NZ |
| 02:51.14 | karsten | duffyd: Ah. |
| 02:51.22 | duffyd | karsten: going to Japan/Taiwan for about 5 months at the end of next month though |
| 02:51.23 | Guerin | poppabear: it doesn't seem like you know enough about thhis to do it yourself. |
| 02:51.24 | karsten | duffyd: ... but since you metion it: where in Japan? |
| 02:51.37 | duffyd | Tokyo (Saitama) and Sendai |
| 02:52.14 | Guerin | man, there are a ton of NZers in here these days |
| 02:52.19 | Guerin | i remember when I was the only one |
| 02:52.52 | ChompWzrd | Guerin: did you run around with a broadsword? |
| 02:53.02 | poppabear | Guerin, I have been a shell/web provider for years (Freebsd), i know how to administer a box, the problem is that i was told never to use Debian as the OS for a shell server, They recommended using Freebsd, i didn't understand what the biggest issue was with this |
| 02:53.06 | duffyd | Guerin: just one question - have you met me before? (in real life that is ;-) |
| 02:53.07 | Guerin | ChompWzrd: nah, i have friends who do SCA. |
| 02:53.28 | Guerin | duffyd: i don't believe so. I don't work in IT, so it seems unlikely. |
| 02:53.46 | duffyd | Guerin: ok, was just guessing who you might be ;-) |
| 02:53.46 | poppabear | [7:50pm] <@Napta> Rule 1) |
| 02:53.47 | poppabear | [7:50pm] <@Napta> NEVER EVER USE LINUX AS A PUBLIC SHELL SERVER |
| 02:53.48 | duffyd | Guerin: np |
| 02:54.11 | Guerin | poppabear: oh, ok. You'd have to ask the people who said that to justify themselves, it could well just be BSD bigotry |
| 02:54.23 | poppabear | [7:50pm] <@Napta> because you'll get rooted quicker than you can say 'y?'\ |
| 02:54.24 | poppabear | [7:50pm] <@Napta> Linux has frequent kernel security updates, mainly local. Which means you will be patching the box alot to keep up with security |
| 02:54.24 | poppabear | [7:50pm] <@Napta> requiring reboots |
| 02:54.25 | poppabear | :) |
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| 02:54.30 | poppabear | sorry for the paste |
| 02:54.33 | poppabear | :/ |
| 02:54.37 | Guerin | grr |
| 02:54.37 | CompWizrd | Guerin: oddly enough, he was in #debian on efnet :) |
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| 02:54.49 | Guerin | well, that's not quite true. |
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| 02:55.24 | fsmunoz | Well, if I listened to what random people say I would think that "*BSD is dying" for the last 10 years. Eahc people have their opinion, lots of public access server are in Debian, others in *BSD, others in other OS's. |
| 02:55.32 | Dewi | poppabear: OpenBSD has a fair few kernel security updates per year too |
| 02:55.57 | MidgetSpy | hello all. is it possible to upgrade my kernel with apt? I am doing an apt-get dist-upgrade in it is erroring on the udev package because my kernel needs to be updated. do I have to get the source and recompile or can it be done with a package? |
| 02:56.00 | Dewi | poppabear: maybe not as many but it's a much smaller kernel |
| 02:56.05 | karsten | MidgetSpy: Yes. |
| 02:56.08 | Guerin | MidgetSpy: yes, it is possible. |
| 02:56.14 | poppabear | CompWizrd, and i also was told that #debian@efnet was unoffical, and was told to get advice from the offical channel |
| 02:56.26 | cluck | hello |
| 02:56.39 | Guerin | poppabear: this is not the official channel, it's on oftc |
| 02:56.47 | karsten | poppabear: This isn't the official channel |
| 02:56.53 | Wyzard | MidgetSpy: Yes, Debian provides packaged kernels... you're probably running one already |
| 02:56.58 | karsten | poppabear: irc.debian.org => irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:57.13 | Dewi | poppabear: and kernel upgrades are trivial in debian, not as easy in BSD |
| 02:57.30 | fsmunoz | poppabear, although is less non-oficial than efnet for sure |
| 02:58.17 | poppabear | well, i don't need any servers rooted just because i run "Debian" :P |
| 02:58.22 | karsten | poppabear: Security's a matter of tradeoffs. Not al Linuxes are the same, some are much harder than others to keep updated, some have a better security record than others, and overall security profile is a compound measure of your gross exposure (ports, services, bandwidth), admin skill, monitoring finess, and dilligence in keeping up with security updates. |
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| 02:58.46 | karsten | poppabear: I've run OpenBSD in the past, had a nice mailinglist post summarizing my own comparative experiences between same and Debian. |
| 02:58.47 | duffyd | thanks all |
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| 02:59.10 | karsten | poppabear: ... which seems to have evaporated. |
| 02:59.19 | Dewi | karsten: omg censorship! |
| 02:59.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:59.37 | Guerin | teh obsd cabal! |
| 02:59.38 | karsten | Dewi: OpenBSD security is to be ph33r3d! |
| 02:59.56 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Konversation on Debian (Sid at least) actually automatically throws people to #debian@oftc ; I had to add the (much more popular) Freenode manually! |
| 02:59.59 | fsmunoz | poppabear, then run FreeBSD. You obviusly have little faith in anything apart from FreeBSD. Stick with it really. |
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| 03:00.07 | CompWizrd | run telnet on solaris! |
| 03:00.16 | cluck | obsd so secure you can't even _THINK_ it isn't |
| 03:00.19 | cluck | :) |
| 03:00.31 | Guerin | BrownFrog: that's te official channel. Seems fair. |
| 03:00.39 | karsten | CompWizrd: Oh so shut the f*(|< up and get out of my reality, sir. |
| 03:00.48 | karsten | poppabear: Here we go: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg00541.html |
| 03:00.50 | cluck | that could be a catchy slogan |
| 03:00.59 | karsten | poppabear: Theo was meant to be on both lists, BTW. |
| 03:01.18 | BrownFrog | Guerin: I wonder why #debian@freenode is so much more popular? |
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| 03:01.28 | poppabear | fsmunoz, its not that i would if i felt i wouldn't have install issues (Freebsd6.2+DirectAdmin = "beta stages") |
| 03:01.33 | karsten | BrownFrog: We smell better. |
| 03:01.34 | fsmunoz | irc.debian.org has been redirected to OFTC, it affects all versions. |
| 03:01.47 | fsmunoz | poppabear, I understand that. |
| 03:01.48 | cluck | BrownFrog: freenode used to be irc.debian.org |
| 03:01.49 | Dewi | BrownFrog: irc.debian.org used to be freenode |
| 03:01.59 | cluck | lol |
| 03:02.00 | Dewi | cluck: you're all backwards |
| 03:02.04 | BrownFrog | cluck, Dewi: Ah, I guess I haven't been around for long enough; I didn't know that ;) |
| 03:02.13 | cluck | Dewi: no, you are :) |
| 03:02.40 | Dewi | BrownFrog: and we're too lazy to move yet. |
| 03:03.02 | karsten | poppabear: That was linked from Manoj Srivasta's "Why Debian" talk, BTW: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html |
| 03:03.20 | cluck | Dewi: yep, emacs (erc) still defaults do freenode :D |
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| 03:03.32 | fsmunoz | poppabear, but I can't say much more... again, this is a Linux vs FreeBSD kernel thing, not a thing specific to Debian. |
| 03:03.47 | MidgetSpy | Wyzard: shouldn't apt-get dist-upgrade upgrade the kernel itself then if it's required? why would it include a package that needs a different kernel than is included? |
| 03:03.49 | Dewi | wow. I've been in the OFTC #debian for 5 minutes now and not a single line of text. |
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| 03:04.27 | BrownFrog | Dewi: Yup, I've noticed that a lot there |
| 03:04.33 | abrotman | Dewi: feel better ? |
| 03:04.37 | karsten | Dewi: You could ask "WWEBR?" |
| 03:05.06 | Dewi | abrotman: I'd get more work done... until I had a newb question, which happens pretty frequently. |
| 03:05.17 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:05.41 | dnn | anyone know of a way to suspend a single process and restore it after a reboot? |
| 03:05.44 | cluck | Dewi: they really do help there, though |
| 03:05.58 | raf256 | dnn: impossible |
| 03:05.59 | Wyzard | MidgetSpy: It depends on what packages you have installed... each version of the kernel has its own separate package, so that you can have multiple versions installed simultaneously, but that means that a new kernel is a new package, not an update of an existing package, so it doesn't automatically get upgraded |
| 03:06.15 | raf256 | how can I inform aptitude that all packages it thinks are "unused - will be removed" are actually used and should be kept? |
| 03:06.15 | dnn | raf256: why? it seems easier than suspending an entire system |
| 03:06.30 | raf256 | dnn: I dont think kernel is builded in a way that would allow that |
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| 03:06.49 | karsten | dnn: Not possible. |
| 03:06.54 | Wyzard | MidgetSpy: There are metapackages, such as linux-image-2.6-686, which don't actually contain a kernel but do depend on the latest kernel package, so when a new kernel becomes available, that package gets updated to depend on it, and your system upgrades that package and pulls in the latest kernel |
| 03:07.01 | dmacks | Is this the place for technical chat about the 'dpkg' tool? I'm looking for a way for a script to do a few K version-string comparisons, wondering if anyone's ever daemonized 'dpkg --compare-versions' or somehow else allowed interactive checks (vs firing up new processes) |
| 03:07.09 | Guerin | dnn: i don't even see how you'd do that. By dumping the program's ream out to disk? |
| 03:07.14 | karsten | dnn: You can run that process in a VM, suspend the VM, reboot, and restart the VM, but that's a slightly different story. |
| 03:07.17 | Wyzard | MidgetSpy: That way you can get automatic updates if you want, but it's not mandatory |
| 03:07.22 | raf256 | dnn: you perhaps can run a virtual linux (UML?) and froze its memory image, but its very complicated and inneffective |
| 03:07.35 | abrotman | dmacks: you can try .. but there's also a dpkg mailing list |
| 03:07.35 | karsten | dmacks: You can ask, might be a bit advanced for this crowd. |
| 03:07.42 | MidgetSpy | Wyzard: hmm, ok thank you |
| 03:08.11 | Dewi | MidgetSpy: and just generally, you don't want new kernels slipping through too often. It's the most dangerous package install you will ever do. |
| 03:08.16 | karsten | Guerin: Sure. What do you think a suspend-to-disk does. Unfortunately, a process needs a certain amount of external context as well. |
| 03:08.20 | Dewi | MidgetSpy: not that I've had any problems with them in years |
| 03:08.21 | dnn | I like the idea of running a vm, but I am still confused as to how you can bring an entire system into hibernate mode and restore but it can't be done with a single process |
| 03:08.35 | dmacks | Okay thx. |
| 03:08.37 | Guerin | karsten: right, that's what I mean. And is ram usage contiguous? |
| 03:09.08 | karsten | dnn: You *can* start and stop a process (SIGSTOP, SIGCONT). |
| 03:09.33 | amphi | karsten: I think he wants to save the state, and reboot, and restore the program state |
| 03:09.39 | dnn | karsten: I am aware of that, and what I would really like to do is stop a process (SIGSTOP), save its state to disk and then reboot |
| 03:09.39 | karsten | dnn: What you *can't* do is ensure that a processes state, relative to the rest of the OS, will be maintained if you kill and restart the rest of the OS. |
| 03:10.12 | Wyzard | dnn: sleep/hibernation is really just pausing the kernel's execution, not fully unloading and reloading it |
| 03:10.12 | karsten | dnn: If you've got a suffciently intelligent process, it can solve that problem via checkpointing. However there isn't a generalized solution. Maybe there should be. |
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| 03:10.35 | Wyzard | dnn: You can pause a process's execution too, as karsten mentioned, but completely removing the process and reconstituting it later is different |
| 03:10.35 | Dewi | dnn: think about the word "system" - there is a clear boundary around a system so you stand a chance of being able to manipulate state. A process is too intimiately tied up with everything else |
| 03:11.05 | karsten | Wyzard: Um. Suspend to disk, disconect all power, run another OS, restore hibernated session. I'd call that a full unload from the hardware PoV. |
| 03:11.30 | karsten | dnn: Look under /proc/self/ for various contexts that need to be maintained. Filehandles, inodes, ttys, memory maps, environments, etc. |
| 03:11.44 | Wyzard | karsten: The kernel's state is maintained (just on disk rather than in RAM) so it's still just been paused and later resumed |
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| 03:12.27 | MidgetSpy | Hmm, well now I'm halfway through apt-get dist-upgrade but it won't finish because it always stalls on the udev package because my kernel is too old. However I can't install the kernel because there are a ton of packages that are still waiting to be installed and it wants me to apt-get -f install first. Can I still use apt to upgrade the kernel? |
| 03:12.27 | karsten | dnn: ... that's all external interfaces. As Dewi said, the OS as a whole is pretty encapsulated. In general you've got a just a handful of external interfaces (keyboard, monitor, mouse, printer, network, USB). |
| 03:12.37 | Wyzard | karsten: "full unload" would be something like saving the state of all processes, doing a normal full shutdown (unmount root filesystem and everything), then boot back up and reconstitute all the processes |
| 03:12.51 | karsten | dnn: ... and even then a kluge is to effectively down many of those interfaces when doing a hibernate. |
| 03:13.20 | karsten | Wyzard: Hrm. I don't believe hibernate is handled through init, but it does doe something vaguely like that. |
| 03:13.43 | karsten | Wyzard: Um. Wait. I'm talking out my ass..... |
| 03:14.11 | Dewi | Wyzard: it's a bit late "after boot" to exactly rebuild what was there before. It has to happen early. |
| 03:14.18 | Wyzard | karsten: I think it starts by loading a fresh copy of the kernel, but that kernel then replaces itself with a complete RAM image loaded from the savefile, as I understand it |
| 03:14.24 | karsten | MidgetSpy: You can 'dpkg --configure --a' or 'dpkg --configure --pending' |
| 03:14.41 | karsten | MidgetSpy: You can also install single packages from the deb via dpkg. 'dpkg -i <package-file>' |
| 03:15.22 | karsten | Wyzard: Yeah, I was actually thinking of the shutdown side. Which is either handled in kernel space or with a couple of helper programs. |
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| 03:16.31 | MidgetSpy | karsten: dpkg --configure --pending gave up, it said too many errors... lol. i'll look into downloading the kernel package and installing it |
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| 03:17.03 | karsten | MidgetSpy: What have you been doing to that box? |
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| 03:17.37 | Wyzard | not maintaining it, perhaps, if its kernel is that out-of-date |
| 03:17.42 | Wyzard | Or is this an upgrade from sarge? |
| 03:17.47 | MidgetSpy | upgrade from sarge |
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| 03:18.38 | hello_hello_hel | how do i set up apt-get to use testing packages? |
| 03:18.39 | karsten | MidgetSpy: One option is to boot Knoppix, chroot in, and do the update. |
| 03:19.38 | Azar | hey Wyzard, about DST here is an interesting article that covers all: http://www.edgeblog.net/2007/daylight-saving-time-the-year-2007-problem/ |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | !tell hello_hello_hel about sarge->etch |
| 03:19.40 | hello_hello_hel | im tired of installing packages on by one and not beigning able to use apt-get becouse it doesnt look to the testing packages |
| 03:19.43 | karsten | !stable=>testing |
| 03:19.52 | abrotman | karsten: you're getting slow |
| 03:19.54 | karsten | !stable->testing |
| 03:19.54 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 03:20.12 | hello_hello_hel | thanks :) |
| 03:20.14 | karsten | abrotman: yeah, yeah. I'm also trying to make sure I've got the right factoid. |
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| 03:20.31 | abrotman | karsten: can you even read them without your spectacles ? |
| 03:20.58 | karsten | abrotman: Not from where I'm sitting. |
| 03:21.10 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:23.00 | hello_hello_hel | oh by the way on that thing, what does it mean by "non local mentions"? |
| 03:23.34 | karsten | hello_hello_hel: What "thing"? |
| 03:23.50 | karsten | hello_hello_hel: Oh, the factoid. |
| 03:24.07 | karsten | hello_hello_hel: Any sources other than your CDs or local file storage. Most likely not a concern. |
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| 03:26.26 | mue | is writing in ntfs save in etch? |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | define safe .. |
| 03:26.41 | mue | or secure |
| 03:26.56 | Guerin | as secure as nfs ever can be |
| 03:27.09 | mue | okay |
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| 03:27.28 | JordiGH | mue: It isn't. |
| 03:27.57 | Wyzard | Guerin: NTFS, not NFS |
| 03:28.11 | Guerin | oh, duh |
| 03:28.24 | Guerin | good thing someone's paying attention |
| 03:28.25 | mue | so should i use fat32 for sharing data between win and debian? |
| 03:28.38 | Guerin | mue: yes. |
| 03:28.45 | mue | thx |
| 03:28.50 | Guerin | or (blech) samba |
| 03:28.54 | jetscreamer | you can try that 3g thingy maybe |
| 03:29.00 | jetscreamer | ntfs-3g |
| 03:29.04 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 03:29.11 | karsten | mue: Not generally supported or recommended. |
| 03:29.15 | JordiGH | Guerin: Presumably samba wouldn't do it, since it probably is for a dual-boot machine. |
| 03:29.16 | mue | okay |
| 03:29.22 | abrotman | mue: or use ext2/3 |
| 03:29.25 | karsten | mue: ...NTFS that is. fat32 (vfat in Linux) is fine. |
| 03:29.25 | jetscreamer | myself i go with the vfat dmz |
| 03:29.28 | Guerin | you can do samba over localhost, no? |
| 03:29.36 | Guerin | oh, you need a VM |
| 03:29.40 | karsten | Guerin: Not if you're dual booting. |
| 03:29.44 | mue | i have a samba server |
| 03:29.46 | karsten | Guerin: VM, sure. You need a server. |
| 03:29.54 | mue | but it's not always running |
| 03:29.59 | Guerin | this is what I get for not using windows in ... years |
| 03:30.02 | mue | so, wanna have a local solution |
| 03:30.08 | jetscreamer | just go with the vfat dmz |
| 03:30.13 | jetscreamer | (fat32) |
| 03:30.16 | mue | okay |
| 03:30.24 | jetscreamer | simplest, safest... |
| 03:30.58 | karsten | mue: There's *good* NTFS *read* support in Linux. fat32 is your best bet for equivalent support on both sides. There are also ext2/3 utilities and filesystem drivers for Windows. I've used the former, not the latter. |
| 03:31.06 | karsten | mue: Smart money says fat32/vfat |
| 03:31.17 | mue | i have these drivers for windows |
| 03:31.18 | jetscreamer | !tell mue -about vfatrw |
| 03:31.23 | mue | ext2/3 |
| 03:31.31 | karsten | mue: Good, then file bugreports on 'em ;-) |
| 03:31.39 | mue | and mounted all ntfs drives in r only |
| 03:31.41 | JordiGH | the description for ntfs-3g makes it sound as if writing data to ntfs is possible and safe. |
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| 03:31.46 | jetscreamer | explore2fs is good for copying files from ext to whatever in win |
| 03:31.49 | karsten | mue: My experience is that Windows doesn't like anything that's not NTFS/FAT32. |
| 03:31.51 | mue | i mean, i know something about these issues |
| 03:32.10 | cafuego_ | JordiGH: Well, it's half right. |
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| 03:32.29 | mue | thx karsten |
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| 03:32.50 | JordiGH | cafuego_: Then perhaps we ought to submit a bug report otherwise and ask the maintainer to change the description. |
| 03:33.04 | jetscreamer | fix it instead... |
| 03:33.10 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:33.20 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Heh, probably would just tag it "upstream". :P |
| 03:33.55 | mue | !automount |
| 03:33.55 | dpkg | if you are a gnome user ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, otherwise ask me about <ivman> or <autofs> |
| 03:34.05 | mue | (; |
| 03:34.35 | cafuego_ | JordiGH: *shrug* poeple who use ntfs get what they ask for |
| 03:34.57 | karsten | cafuego_: New technology? |
| 03:35.15 | cafuego_ | !kimchismite Guerin |
| 03:35.25 | mue | why not use ntfs with windows,i mean i have to use windows, there is no spss for unix/linux... |
| 03:35.43 | karsten | mue: pspp! |
| 03:35.44 | JordiGH | cafuego_: While I'm similarly unsympathetic towards Windows users, I am at the same time a little sorry for them and don't want to make their lives harder than it is. If we can help them with ntfs write support, we should. |
| 03:35.48 | Guerin | mue: because it's not cross-compatible |
| 03:35.50 | karsten | mue: ... or learn R. |
| 03:35.54 | mue | karsten: not really |
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| 03:36.17 | Growly|angry | hey everyone, just wondering if it is possible to redirect https traffic with iptables? or is that against the laws of https? |
| 03:36.18 | karsten | mue: I'm aware that pspp is a pretty dead project. But wanted to point out its existence. |
| 03:36.22 | cafuego_ | spss piffle. pen and paper and a slide-ruler! |
| 03:36.26 | karsten | mue: R *is* pretty impressive, however. |
| 03:36.28 | mue | karsten: i would use r, but when all of the other people i work with use spss it's difficult |
| 03:36.30 | abrotman | Growly|angry: ask #iptables |
| 03:36.34 | karsten | mue: http://www.r-project.org/ |
| 03:36.37 | abrotman | and ask nicely! |
| 03:36.38 | Guerin | Growly|angry: it is possible, and it is also against the laws |
| 03:36.39 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 03:36.39 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 03:36.40 | hark | If on > Etch, with ntfs-3g you'll have full rw support |
| 03:36.42 | cafuego_ | we didn't get to use spss |
| 03:36.50 | karsten | mue: Dig. Doesn't mean you can't learn it yourself. |
| 03:36.51 | JordiGH | R is nice. I wish Octave would to Matlab what R has done to SAS and SPSS. |
| 03:37.04 | Growly|angry | abrotman - erm, thanks :) (it runs on debian, i felt justified) |
| 03:37.05 | mue | i hate spss |
| 03:37.11 | Growly|angry | :p |
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| 03:37.16 | abrotman | Growly|angry: you are .. but that's a bit specific |
| 03:37.19 | mue | for good reasons |
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| 03:37.35 | JordiGH | mue: I never use it, and I never will, since even statisticians from the non-free world advocate R. |
| 03:37.35 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 03:37.44 | abrotman | beeep! |
| 03:37.57 | bbelt16ag | i cant seem to get my x11 forwarding to work on my ppc blade server here is the error i see with ssh -Xv |
| 03:37.59 | bbelt16ag | debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. |
| 03:37.59 | bbelt16ag | debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. |
| 03:38.13 | jetscreamer | what get's me is windows 2000 blurb was 'based on NT technology' ... nt stands for new technology... so w2k is based on new technology technology, according to ms |
| 03:38.17 | mue | is there a gui for "R"? |
| 03:38.21 | Guerin | bbelt16ag: install xauth on both client and server |
| 03:38.26 | Guerin | bbelt16ag: it's in xbase-clients |
| 03:38.30 | amphi | jetscreamer: what could be better? |
| 03:38.38 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:38.57 | bbelt16ag | that it? |
| 03:39.09 | JordiGH | mue: GUI? For a command-line interpreter? |
| 03:39.16 | Guerin | bbelt16ag: and enable X forwarding in sshd_config |
| 03:39.38 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:39.39 | mue | what about graphs? |
| 03:39.39 | bbelt16ag | i did |
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| 03:40.27 | JordiGH | mue: Oh, yes. R makes its own graphs, and I have heard good things about them too. |
| 03:40.31 | dmb_ | how do you kill proccess that just won't stop? |
| 03:40.36 | abrotman | kill -9 |
| 03:40.37 | dmb_ | even with the normal kill command? |
| 03:40.39 | dmb_ | oh |
| 03:40.45 | karsten | mue: Yes, there is. |
| 03:40.50 | abrotman | dmb_: but that's a violent kill |
| 03:40.51 | lowkey | kill --kill da_white_man |
| 03:40.55 | karsten | mue: There's actually a quite nice Windows port. |
| 03:41.06 | karsten | mue: And the graphics rock. |
| 03:41.21 | mue | okay (= |
| 03:41.21 | karsten | lowkey: What's -kill ? |
| 03:41.28 | lowkey | karsten: its the same as -9 |
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| 03:41.58 | karsten | lowkey: I prefer shooting 'em in the knees first. |
| 03:42.03 | zinx | killall5 -9 |
| 03:42.11 | karsten | lowkey: kill -5; sleep 5; kill -9 |
| 03:42.22 | lowkey | karsten: they had a doom game that linked to PS. all the demons were processes. |
| 03:42.25 | zinx | i've taken to killing with -11 before -9 |
| 03:42.33 | mue | another question, is there an option in merged fbmode (xorg) to disable this screeb-scrolling for the 2nd screen? |
| 03:42.37 | zinx | because some really f'n retarded applications catch sigterm and do nothing with it |
| 03:42.42 | mue | mergedfb actually |
| 03:42.47 | Azar | Wyzard: still here? |
| 03:42.48 | Azar | :) |
| 03:42.55 | Gokee2 | zinx, What is -11? |
| 03:43.02 | Guerin | Gokee2: segfault |
| 03:43.03 | zinx | Gokee2: sigsegv |
| 03:43.10 | Azar | I just found out we also have a Y2.008k problem |
| 03:43.18 | JordiGH | Don't step out of line, or else it's KILL DASH NINE! http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 03:43.20 | Guerin | Azar: ZOMG |
| 03:43.29 | Gokee2 | And that kills better then -9? |
| 03:43.40 | Guerin | Gokee2: there is no `better' |
| 03:43.43 | Azar | Guerin: I do not know if it is hillarious or sad: 2007 and 2008 DST |
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| 03:43.58 | jetscreamer | ah the movage |
| 03:44.06 | zinx | Gokee2: the applications in question will clean up if you use -11, but won't/can't with -9 |
| 03:44.09 | jetscreamer | they want to conduct a study i think |
| 03:44.15 | zinx | said applications are mostly using SDL :/ |
| 03:44.19 | jetscreamer | you mean when they change the date of dst change? |
| 03:44.20 | Gokee2 | Ah |
| 03:44.46 | Wyzard | Azar: How so? |
| 03:44.53 | Tortel | my debian box wont let me SCP to it using winscp and another program |
| 03:45.01 | Gokee2 | What is best to do if a prossess won`t die with -9? It there a more powerfull kill? |
| 03:45.02 | Guerin | Tortel: tell it you're not joking |
| 03:45.12 | zinx | Gokee2: Reboot. |
| 03:45.14 | Guerin | Gokee2: if -9 won't kill it, you need to kill the parent |
| 03:45.16 | Wyzard | Azar: Debian updates the tzdata package to know about any changes in DST |
| 03:45.20 | jetscreamer | Tortel: firewall/iptables |
| 03:45.28 | Azar | Wyzard: the DST dates on 2008 will change again... so in 2009... |
| 03:45.32 | zinx | Guerin: if it's stuck in 'D', that won't work |
| 03:45.39 | Guerin | zinx: right. |
| 03:45.51 | jetscreamer | they want to study the impact on some segment of the population iirc |
| 03:45.55 | Tortel | jetscreamer: how would you go about allowing me to connect with iptables? |
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| 03:46.05 | karsten | lowkey: Linked to PS? |
| 03:46.11 | jetscreamer | Tortel: i just mean the port is maybe closed |
| 03:46.19 | jetscreamer | not sure how to tell you how |
| 03:46.22 | Wyzard | Azar: so tzdata will be updated again |
| 03:46.27 | Azar | it's not anymore the "first sunday on month" is now by dates |
| 03:46.38 | Tortel | jetscreamer: how to open it then? I had it open at one point, but I got a new computer |
| 03:46.56 | Azar | Wyzard: I wish all the systems at my work would be Debian |
| 03:47.10 | jetscreamer | Tortel: i just use a front end, aka firewall thngy |
| 03:47.28 | Wyzard | Azar: It's not just Debian, really... Microsoft released Windows patches for the DST change too |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you're too technical .. take it slow |
| 03:47.36 | abrotman | ntp! |
| 03:47.40 | jetscreamer | iptables is NOT my thing |
| 03:47.43 | karsten | Gokee2: kill -9 is untrappable. "trappable" means that the process may trap and perform some action when it gets a signal. IIRC 9 and 19 are untrapable. |
| 03:47.45 | Azar | Wyzard: SP1 not included :) |
| 03:47.57 | tanuki | I didn't know there *was* a SIG19 |
| 03:48.10 | Wyzard | Azar: and why would a technically-competent user who's aware of SP2 still be running SP1? :-) |
| 03:48.22 | Tortel | jetscreamer: on the screen of my debian box its coming up with all this computer's info |
| 03:48.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: application incompatibility perhaps |
| 03:48.34 | karsten | Wyzard: application compatibility is a bitch. |
| 03:48.35 | lowkey | karsten: -kill is linked to -9 in /sbin/kill |
| 03:48.41 | Azar | Wyzard: you would be amazed to find out lots of dinosaurus on some places still running |
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| 03:48.48 | Gokee2 | Hmm I see |
| 03:49.00 | Azar | and mostly hospitals running them.. |
| 03:49.04 | jetscreamer | Tortel: i'm not the guy to help you with that, it was just a 'maybe' |
| 03:49.12 | CompWizrd | from what i was reading, sarge won't have an update for the new DST rules: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367025 |
| 03:49.12 | abrotman | hospitals run OS/2 :) |
| 03:49.19 | karsten | Wyzard: $WORK gets to be Sun's beotch to the tune of $30k+ for 3 old Sun boxes running financial HW which need the new DST patch. |
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| 03:49.22 | Gokee2 | Is the parent listed in pa ax? |
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| 03:49.43 | jetscreamer | abrotman: here, workstations in hospitals run windows.. not sure about their servers but i think it's some unix |
| 03:49.47 | Tortel | owell, ill mess with it later |
| 03:49.54 | CompWizrd | oh, wrong bug |
| 03:49.54 | CompWizrd | hmm |
| 03:49.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: SCO! |
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| 03:50.04 | Azar | Wyzard, abrotman.. whenever you got some wee time have fun with this: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A_Case_of_the_MUMPS.aspx |
| 03:50.53 | JordiGH | I thought it was usually financial software that is hardest to update. Which is why you see computers in banks running Windows XP and some sort of software in a DOS terminal or otherwise emulated. |
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| 03:51.13 | jetscreamer | car dealer workstations run windows too... considering how much money car dealers have flowing, you'd think they'd do something more secure |
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| 03:52.12 | jetscreamer | even the damn city gov uses windows |
| 03:52.20 | jetscreamer | somebody clear my parking tickets |
| 03:52.28 | abrotman | Azar: my office uses a lanuage somewhat similar |
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| 03:52.46 | abrotman | Azar: except stackbased .. RPN too |
| 03:52.51 | jetscreamer | neiman's uses windows.. sak's.... |
| 03:52.58 | danilo_ | help, i need to install the xorg in etch |
| 03:53.07 | mickbuntu | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.10 | JordiGH | I understand it that Windows can be made secure if you're a smart user/sysadmin. |
| 03:53.11 | jetscreamer | bvgari does too i think.. iirc it's outlook |
| 03:53.17 | jetscreamer | bvlgart |
| 03:53.18 | jetscreamer | i |
| 03:53.42 | mickbuntu | where is one supposed to paste the above message? |
| 03:53.47 | mickbuntu | type |
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| 03:54.08 | amphi | mickbuntu: in your client |
| 03:54.10 | blazemonger | is debian sid better than etch for multimedia? |
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| 03:54.14 | JordiGH | mickbuntu: Here is fine. Just don't put a space in front of it. :-) |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | mickbuntu: in your IRC client |
| 03:54.18 | abrotman | mickbuntu: no space |
| 03:54.29 | danilo_ | what package must i install to run the xserver-xorg in debian etch, i run startx and say that i dont have module nv |
| 03:54.31 | mickbuntu | i just did that and it showed it to everyone in the room |
| 03:54.39 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: not really.. you might find an app updated in sid, but it will filter to etch quickly |
| 03:54.48 | amphi | mickbuntu: no leading space |
| 03:54.58 | JordiGH | blazemonger: Not really. They're both bad. You'll need the patent-encumbered Marillat archive to get most of the multimedia stuff working. |
| 03:55.00 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: well make that unstable/testing |
| 03:55.11 | JordiGH | !tell blazemonger about debian-multimedia |
| 03:55.12 | jetscreamer | etch will be in the stable soon |
| 03:55.19 | blazemonger | etch isn't bad ive not had any bad things with debian etch |
| 03:55.31 | abrotman | Azar: ask me one day when i'm at work for a sample :) |
| 03:55.35 | blazemonger | and video too |
| 03:55.39 | dondelelcaro | danilo_: assuming you installed xserver-xorg, it should have also installed xserver-xorg-video-nv or xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 03:55.40 | jetscreamer | plus marillat rolls the latest |
| 03:55.56 | blazemonger | does sid have more multimedia stuff? it seems as if there's alot of distros based on sid |
| 03:56.01 | JordiGH | Word of caution: when marillat and Debian have the same package, the wise stick to Debian. :-) |
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| 03:56.18 | danilo_ | dondelelcaro: i installed xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 03:56.24 | dondelelcaro | danilo_: then you have nv. |
| 03:56.28 | poppabear | thanks all for the advice |
| 03:56.34 | JordiGH | blazemonger: Those distros (I'm guessing you're thinking of Ubuntu) add their own stuff to sid, usually without qualms about patents and whatnot. |
| 03:56.37 | poppabear | i will be trying out Debian for my shell host |
| 03:56.44 | abrotman | !tell steven_Office about away |
| 03:56.47 | poppabear | if i need any further help i will be sure to come back |
| 03:56.55 | poppabear | thanks again! |
| 03:56.57 | danilo_ | say failed to load module nvidia |
| 03:57.02 | blazemonger | mmm |
| 03:57.04 | jetscreamer | only one i've really seen dualed out between marillat and regular sources is rar |
| 03:57.07 | jetscreamer | or unrar |
| 03:57.20 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: mplayer too |
| 03:58.18 | jetscreamer | marillat doesn't maintain the debian source of mplayer? |
| 03:58.20 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:58.23 | karsten | CompWizrd: Panama time! |
| 03:58.32 | karsten | JordiGH: Unplug it. |
| 03:58.44 | JordiGH | karsten: unplug what? |
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| 03:59.32 | karsten | JordiGH: Windows. |
| 03:59.52 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && sh NVIDIA-whatever.run |
| 03:59.53 | blazemonger | automake 1:1.4 and automake 1.7.99 conflict with each other |
| 03:59.54 | JordiGH | karsten: Huh? Whose Windows? I don't use Windows. |
| 03:59.55 | blazemonger | ouch |
| 03:59.57 | blazemonger | ouch |
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| 04:00.06 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i thought you weren't supposed to do that anymore :) |
| 04:00.08 | karsten | JordiGH: WRT securing it. |
| 04:00.36 | blazemonger | is there a way i can install packages from source ? |
| 04:00.37 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i thought it was the kanotix nvidia installer script i wasn't supposed to spam :) |
| 04:00.43 | JordiGH | karsten: Is that really true? I see all these people in /. defending Windows once in a while. |
| 04:00.50 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: yes apt-build |
| 04:00.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i thought it was both .. :) |
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| 04:01.06 | blazemonger | so i'll be able to resolve the conflicts with that? |
| 04:01.07 | karsten | JordiGH: There's good money in that. |
| 04:01.21 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: that was all i know about the subject |
| 04:01.36 | thompa | should I be running 32 or 64 debian testing. please help? |
| 04:01.49 | karsten | Hrm, where'd he go? |
| 04:01.57 | karsten | thompa: What's your CPU? cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:02.02 | thompa | im not a newbie but indecisive |
| 04:02.07 | jetscreamer | thompa: probably 32 since 64 isn't quite finished, or so i hear |
| 04:02.08 | thompa | uhh, just a sec |
| 04:02.15 | jetscreamer | or suchwise |
| 04:02.56 | blazemonger | i'm using debian testing |
| 04:03.01 | blazemonger | is testing good for a debian newbie? |
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| 04:03.15 | hark | heh, if you have to ask then 32 |
| 04:03.25 | thompa | is there a way to find out without opening, i built it its amd 64 duco core X2,,and |
| 04:03.31 | amphi | blazemonger: testing is fine ATM, IMHO |
| 04:03.39 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: myself i think so, ymmv and all that |
| 04:03.41 | thompa | mobo.. i have to find the box |
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| 04:04.55 | BrownFrog | thompa: If you care about multimedia or esotaric stuff, stick to 32-bit; if you're doing mostly standard stuff and don't have a need for anything proprietary except perhaps a nVidia or ATi driver, 64-bit works just fine (I have both on my AMD64 X2) |
| 04:04.58 | PietroGiovanni | hello all |
| 04:05.06 | abrotman | thompa: ask the people that built it |
| 04:05.14 | hark | thompa: it's ok. You can run 64 bit if you want to. |
| 04:05.20 | PietroGiovanni | trying to install beryl in sarge, but i dont know how to get apt to install all of the packages |
| 04:05.22 | thompa | thanks, ive built about 10 linux boxes in the last 2 weeks, about 5 of us |
| 04:05.45 | blazemonger | why is it that Ubuntu would be very slow on my system but Debian being fast? |
| 04:05.51 | thompa | mostly they are running ubuntu, but I am setting up a server on this one |
| 04:06.01 | abrotman | please try #ubuntu |
| 04:06.01 | blazemonger | i thought about runnning a server in sid |
| 04:06.08 | thompa | its the gnome version |
| 04:06.08 | BrownFrog | blazemonger: probably less crap running in the background |
| 04:06.19 | thompa | also that crap |
| 04:06.30 | blazemonger | so if i was to find the crap running in the background of ubuntu it would be as fast as debian? |
| 04:06.38 | blazemonger | what kind of crap would be running in the background |
| 04:06.43 | thompa | for our students here at school, most dont know linux though |
| 04:06.44 | PietroGiovanni | if anyone can help me with beryl just say my name, tvm |
| 04:06.57 | BrownFrog | blazemonger: theoretically, with the same versions of the same packages, both should run exactly the same speed |
| 04:07.13 | BrownFrog | blazemonger: now, Ubuntu has different versions too, but that shouldn't effect it that dramatically |
| 04:07.14 | jetscreamer | debian is just better |
| 04:07.14 | BrownFrog | blazemonger: now, Ubuntu has different versions too, but that shouldn't effect it that dramatically |
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| 04:07.25 | jetscreamer | what you say BrownFrog ? |
| 04:07.26 | thompa | cds are playing fine in debian though, and ive changed nothing |
| 04:07.29 | blazemonger | jetscreamer:so testing doesn't leave out any packages? |
| 04:07.34 | amphi | !tell PietroGiovanni about beryl |
| 04:07.37 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: a couple sometimes |
| 04:07.40 | amphi | arrggh |
| 04:07.40 | fantomas | !diskless |
| 04:07.40 | dpkg | it has been said that diskless is see lessdisks |
| 04:07.46 | BrownFrog | blazemonger: Ask in #ubuntu, but I think there's something in Ubuntu's control panel that should tell you what services start at bootup |
| 04:07.51 | jetscreamer | blazemonger: but it's usually just for a while |
| 04:07.51 | fantomas | dpkg: thanks |
| 04:07.51 | dpkg | fantomas: de nada |
| 04:08.01 | blazemonger | i wonder if debian sid is reccomended for midi sequencing |
| 04:08.07 | blazemonger | or if stable is better |
| 04:08.07 | thompa | my laptop has feisty though with beryl and no real graphics card, it runs awsome |
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| 04:08.22 | BrownFrog | jetscreamer: accidental double-post of the same line, sorry ;) |
| 04:08.46 | amphi | thompa: it ran pretty good on my radeon 7500, which impressed me; I wouldn't use it though |
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| 04:09.00 | thompa | i have particle smash windows when i close and cool effects, also the control panel, |
| 04:09.09 | thompa | so is the server better on 64? |
| 04:09.34 | thompa | it will run maybe 12 boxes peer to peer for start, printer and stuff |
| 04:09.35 | BrownFrog | thompa: If you need over 4GB of memory (a common server concern), you *must* use 64-bit |
| 04:09.46 | PietroGiovanni | amphi thanks but there i just got info for etch... and i have a problem with this libxcomposite1 package for sarge |
| 04:09.49 | dondelelcaro | you don't need 64 bit even to access 64 bit. |
| 04:10.00 | dondelelcaro | s/access 64/access 4G/ |
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| 04:10.08 | zinx | BrownFrog: eh? there are 32-bit boards that support >4GB |
| 04:10.11 | amphi | PietroGiovanni: no idea about doing it on sarge, or even if it's possible |
| 04:10.15 | thompa | i got 3G, sata 250, nvidia 7??, ans a new asus with wirless, 3 other network card built |
| 04:10.16 | dondelelcaro | with PAE, the maximum is 64G. |
| 04:10.17 | fantomas | Anybody knows why there is no diskless or lessdisks in Etch? Are there some replacements? |
| 04:10.21 | zinx | BrownFrog: you just can't have >4GB mapped at once per process |
| 04:10.24 | BrownFrog | thompa: otherwise, from what I've read, there is some performance advantage to using 64-bit, but not a huge amount |
| 04:10.24 | amphi | PietroGiovanni: upgrade ;) |
| 04:10.31 | BrownFrog | zinx: sorry, I stand corrected ;) |
| 04:10.38 | PietroGiovanni | that would take all night long i guess... |
| 04:10.49 | thompa | the hp sucks , the other box, is also amd64 4400 i think |
| 04:10.53 | PietroGiovanni | any other 3d desktop that would run in a low powered comp? |
| 04:11.03 | blazemonger | so if i want to install sid i just do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:11.05 | thompa | something wrong with the bios in all HP boxes |
| 04:11.06 | blazemonger | that easy? |
| 04:11.09 | dondelelcaro | BrownFrog: and generally speaking, it's actually a performance disadvantage to use 64 bit; the only reason why it makes sense in IA32 land is because the IA32 instruction set is so bad. |
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| 04:11.17 | amphi | PietroGiovanni: xgl/compiz maybe, dunno |
| 04:11.24 | PietroGiovanni | mm |
| 04:11.25 | thompa | BrownFrog: i just dont want to go back |
| 04:11.28 | PietroGiovanni | will wait and upgrade |
| 04:11.38 | amphi | PietroGiovanni: good idea ;) |
| 04:11.46 | thompa | BrownFrog: i mean i dont want to rinstall later |
| 04:12.12 | thompa | so if 64 bit gets real good, or something, right now BBC is drawback |
| 04:12.14 | BrownFrog | dondelelcaro: True, but thompa was asking between IA32 and AMD64, not about Sparc or PPC or whatnot AFAIK ;) |
| 04:12.20 | fantomas | Are LTSP packages "replace" diskless stuff from Sarge? |
| 04:12.31 | thompa | BBC need real player and too much work to get it |
| 04:12.34 | BrownFrog | thompa: If you're happy with what you have, stick with it |
| 04:12.49 | thompa | BrownFrog: if only it was so easy |
| 04:13.01 | PietroGiovanni | just ran apt dist upgrade... |
| 04:13.04 | dondelelcaro | thompa: you can also just use 64 bit, and have a 32 bit chroot; it all depends on what you need to do. |
| 04:13.19 | thompa | BrownFrog: i like the oleder version of gnome anyway in testing |
| 04:13.24 | thompa | this one that is |
| 04:13.35 | jetscreamer | why can't i have a 1024-bit os that runs on a 2^100 gig ramdisk |
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| 04:13.47 | thompa | dondelelcaro: i think ill do that actually |
| 04:14.02 | PietroGiovanni | i should download etch for a start |
| 04:14.09 | thompa | I also tested a n800, the new nokia |
| 04:14.11 | jetscreamer | netinstall |
| 04:14.11 | BrownFrog | thompa: sorry, I'm not understanding the issue then; what does 32 vs 64-bit have to do with sarge vs etch vs sid? |
| 04:14.17 | thompa | for about a week |
| 04:14.57 | CompWizrd | jetscreamer: not enough atoms in the universe. |
| 04:15.11 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 04:15.21 | thompa | BrownFrog: i dont know i was only wondering if 32 bit had better support than 64 for certain things, if i cant listen to bbc in real player i guess |
| 04:15.49 | thompa | the nokia n800 was pretty cool, but hurt my eyes anyway |
| 04:16.05 | thompa | im going back to my palm pilot |
| 04:16.09 | jetscreamer | real player has been about spyware since rp 2.0 |
| 04:16.33 | thompa | jetscreamer: so how do you listen to the embedded real player in 64 |
| 04:16.55 | BrownFrog | thompa: Yeah, sadly multimedia is one place where 32-bit is still unquestionably better. This is more complex than I can help you with, but theoretically, you can use 32-bit applications (like Flash) in a chroot; you can also install certain 32-bit libs alongside the 64-bit ones, not sure how far along Debian is with that yet. |
| 04:17.00 | thompa | i guess chroot or ther is some other setup that i heard might work |
| 04:17.07 | jetscreamer | i dunno... i never ever ever touch .ram or whatever and i don't have a 64bit computer :/ |
| 04:17.36 | thompa | BrownFrog: anyway, the nokia n800 is awsome |
| 04:17.46 | BrownFrog | thompa: glad you like it :) |
| 04:17.58 | thompa | it runs a debian |
| 04:18.17 | BrownFrog | nice |
| 04:18.43 | thompa | but I dint chat and stuff, laptop is better, the new small toshibas run linux real good |
| 04:19.23 | thompa | the n800 actually played a dvd in mplayer |
| 04:19.23 | thompa | i was like blown away by that dude |
| 04:19.43 | thompa | 1G memory stick and rip it on |
| 04:19.58 | thompa | i think it was 500M the moive i own |
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| 04:20.24 | thompa | but once mplaer starts it wont stop, sound was amazing though |
| 04:20.34 | thompa | *mplayer |
| 04:21.09 | eshaase | how come i have S21gdm and S99entrance in /etc/rc2.d and the 'entrance' login manager gets started at boot? |
| 04:21.22 | thompa | i installed maybe 20 beta apps on the n800 and dowlnoaded 2000 emails at one time |
| 04:21.34 | thompa | but then locked up |
| 04:22.42 | thompa | I also installes a root terminal on it, that was cool, but had no idea what to do. I guess email was best part |
| 04:22.45 | jetscreamer | eshaase: dpkg-reconfigure entrance or gdm or something |
| 04:23.20 | eshaase | jetscreamer: well i'm not so much conerned about fixing it, just wondering why that is, i'm trying to understand the rcX.d initialization process |
| 04:23.20 | jetscreamer | eshaase: it's controlled in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 04:23.36 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 04:23.43 | eshaase | jetscreamer: ahhhh, ok, thanks! |
| 04:23.44 | jetscreamer | only the default one will init |
| 04:23.44 | thompa | BrownFrog: 400 bucks though, but cool the nokia os runs a customized debian |
| 04:23.54 | H2OyJaBoN | what app do yuo recommen to play dvd's? |
| 04:23.57 | eshaase | jetscreamer: so what would i do if i didn't want a login maanger at all? |
| 04:24.02 | thompa | kaffeine |
| 04:24.05 | karsten | H2OyJaBoN: A dvd player. |
| 04:24.06 | amphi | H2OyJaBoN: mplayer |
| 04:24.19 | eshaase | H2OyJaBoN: mplayer |
| 04:24.21 | hark | eshaase: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 04:24.29 | jetscreamer | type startx.. if you don't want to uninstall those login managers, just back up the file and empty it out |
| 04:24.33 | jetscreamer | make it blank |
| 04:24.42 | H2OyJaBoN | okey! so.. kmplayer is too not? |
| 04:24.44 | jetscreamer | /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:25.06 | karsten | H2OyJaBoN: mplayer, gmplayer, kmplayer, xine. They're all decent. |
| 04:25.16 | karsten | H2OyJaBoN: Best of all, they're all free. See which one you like. |
| 04:25.23 | jetscreamer | install them all |
| 04:25.24 | hark | eshaase: to change the default, also dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 04:25.30 | jetscreamer | remove the ones you don't like |
| 04:25.36 | hark | vlc too |
| 04:25.56 | jetscreamer | but this entrance thing or whatever may not be listed when you do that reconfigure.. not sure |
| 04:26.10 | jetscreamer | and iirc there's not a 'none' |
| 04:26.31 | H2OyJaBoN | karsten, ok right i've alread use kmplayer |
| 04:26.33 | hark | there isn't ;) |
| 04:26.33 | H2OyJaBoN | =) |
| 04:26.49 | eshaase | hark: excellent, thanks! |
| 04:27.13 | karsten | H2OyJaBoN: For a lot of tools under Linux there's a small number of underlying toolkits with various GUI wrappers around them. |
| 04:27.22 | eshaase | is there a nice way to use keychain in conjunction with a login manager? |
| 04:27.26 | karsten | H2OyJaBoN: I suspect mplayer, gmplayer, and kmplayer are mostly the same underneath the skin. |
| 04:27.33 | karsten | eshaase: ssh-proxy |
| 04:27.35 | eshaase | thats basically the reason why i want to turn it off |
| 04:27.41 | H2OyJaBoN | karsten, uyes, i know that =) |
| 04:27.48 | karsten | eshaase: Or clarify your question. |
| 04:27.57 | jetscreamer | xine-ui ! |
| 04:28.25 | jetscreamer | keychain? |
| 04:28.55 | bbelt16ag | ok peep |
| 04:28.59 | bbelt16ag | i got a quick question.. |
| 04:29.09 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 04:29.17 | bbelt16ag | where do i store the private keys for my client with ssh? |
| 04:29.18 | BrownFrog | !ask |
| 04:29.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:29.18 | jetscreamer | !tell bbelt16ag -about ask |
| 04:29.40 | jetscreamer | ~/.ssh ? |
| 04:29.55 | bbelt16ag | i know authoized_keys is the plce for public keys on remote server.. whew do i put the private ones on the client? |
| 04:29.55 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ~/.ssh |
| 04:29.55 | eshaase | i typically use 'keychain' to enter my password for my ssh key on non-graphical bootup so I don't keep getting prompted for it, however having a graphical login manager doesn't allow me to do so (i'm assuming because .bash_profile is bypassed)... so i'm wondering how I could go about automatically entering my ssh password without having to type it in everytime i ssh |
| 04:29.55 | bbelt16ag | ok they are in there |
| 04:29.55 | karsten | bbelt16ag: You don't put private keys on the clients. |
| 04:30.06 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 04:30.10 | karsten | bbelt16ag: You put your _public_ keys in the client's authorized_keys file. |
| 04:30.15 | bbelt16ag | i did |
| 04:30.18 | bbelt16ag | ok kar.. |
| 04:30.22 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... and? |
| 04:30.34 | bbelt16ag | i put my .pubs in the remote nodes.. |
| 04:30.40 | eshaase | noone here is familiar with keychain? i guess its a gentoo thing |
| 04:30.47 | bbelt16ag | and the local node has my .pubs and my private keys |
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| 04:30.53 | bbelt16ag | must be |
| 04:32.01 | karsten | bbelt16ag: cat <pubkeyfile> | ssh remotehost 'mkdir .ssh; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys' |
| 04:32.21 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... you'll be prompted for a password when you do that, afterwards you should be able to ssh in w/o a key. |
| 04:32.26 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:32.28 | bbelt16ag | ty kar |
| 04:32.30 | bbelt16ag | *hugs |
| 04:32.32 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... provided you're running ssh-agent and have fed it. |
| 04:32.55 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 04:34.40 | Adlai | does anyone have a correct and current algorithm for getting bootsplash to work on etch? |
| 04:34.48 | Adlai | 2.6.18 specifically |
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| 04:35.08 | karsten | Adlai: Find a suitable cowboy boot. |
| 04:35.15 | karsten | Adlai: ... find a puddle .... |
| 04:35.34 | Adlai | I'll label that "Plan B", thanks |
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| 04:36.36 | karsten | Adlai: B for boot.... |
| 04:36.42 | Adlai | yes |
| 04:37.13 | karsten | Adlai: Haven't configured bootspash, but I thought I ran across mention of a package that seemed like it would set one up on Debian. |
| 04:37.22 | Adlai | yes |
| 04:37.23 | bbelt16ag | it did not wotk |
| 04:37.24 | bbelt16ag | work |
| 04:37.24 | Adlai | bootsplash |
| 04:37.27 | Adlai | it did not work |
| 04:37.28 | karsten | Adlai: ... Gentoo and Ubuntu seem to have notes on this sort fo thing. |
| 04:37.35 | Adlai | it gave me a very crappy version of bootsplash |
| 04:37.35 | karsten | bbelt16ag: how didn't it work? |
| 04:37.48 | karsten | Adlai: Find a puddle with less cowsh*t in it. |
| 04:37.53 | Adlai | well, I've done it on gentoo and I could do it that way, but I'd really like to do it the "debian way" |
| 04:38.02 | Adlai | however that is |
| 04:38.18 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:38.24 | bbelt16ag | how do i set up ssh-agent? |
| 04:38.28 | bbelt16ag | i tried ssh-add.. |
| 04:38.36 | bbelt16ag | it asks me for apssphrase too |
| 04:38.39 | bbelt16ag | wtf |
| 04:38.56 | bbelt16ag | i have gotten this done before.. one server was doing it fine.. now its not |
| 04:39.08 | karsten | bbelt16ag: If you're booting a stock X display manager (gdm/kdm/wdm/xdm) under Debian, it's running under your windowmanager. |
| 04:39.29 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... which means the environment's properly set up. "ssh-add", then "set | grep SSH" |
| 04:39.43 | bbelt16ag | kdm |
| 04:39.45 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
| 04:39.46 | karsten | bbelt16ag: You should have values for SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK |
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| 04:41.44 | bbelt16ag | so i ssh-add? |
| 04:41.44 | karsten | Doesn't matter for the moment what they are, just that they exist (we'll assume they're right at present). |
| 04:41.44 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 04:41.45 | karsten | You *don't* have to run ssh-agent. It's already running. |
| 04:41.45 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 04:41.45 | bbelt16ag | SSH_AGENT_PID=3208 |
| 04:41.46 | bbelt16ag | SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-otnMmH3162/agent.3162 |
| 04:41.46 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:41.47 | bbelt16ag | how do i add my keys into ssh-agent ssh-add? how does it work |
| 04:41.47 | fantomas | What filesystem Debian kernel's initrd uses? |
| 04:41.47 | eshaase | /quit/quit |
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| 04:41.48 | karsten | fantomas: cramfs (old) initramfs (new) |
| 04:41.53 | K|NgGh0sT | if I wanted to dispay the first 5 lines in a txt file, and no more that have a keyword what would that syntext be? |
| 04:41.56 | karsten | bbelt16ag: 'ssh-add' Should prompt for a password. |
| 04:42.03 | dondelelcaro | karsten: man head |
| 04:42.10 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Next, invoke ssh w/ the '-v' option. |
| 04:42.17 | bbelt16ag | i did |
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| 04:42.19 | karsten | dondelelcaro: man tabkey |
| 04:42.19 | dondelelcaro | s/karsten/K|NgGh0st/ |
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| 04:42.25 | bbelt16ag | ok hold |
| 04:42.35 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's stupid lametroid nicks that are to blame... |
| 04:42.37 | karsten | bbelt16ag: You should see something about offering keys. |
| 04:42.41 | dondelelcaro | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 04:42.42 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, dondelelcaro |
| 04:42.50 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I resemble that remark..... |
| 04:43.25 | karsten | !nickometer karrotx |
| 04:43.26 | dpkg | 'karrotx' is 0.000% lame, karsten |
| 04:43.29 | karsten | !nickometer karsten |
| 04:43.30 | dpkg | 'karsten' is 0.000% lame, karsten |
| 04:43.45 | bbelt16ag | ssh -v? is that what i am suppose to do? |
| 04:43.53 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ssh -v <somehost> |
| 04:44.53 | predder | !nickometer ~~Pr3Dd3R!1!!1!one~~ |
| 04:44.53 | karsten | bbelt16ag: The majick lines start at "debug1: Offering public key: /localhome/kself/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 04:44.54 | dpkg | '~~Pr3Dd3R!1!!1!one~~' is 99.9615% lame, predder |
| 04:45.09 | predder | guess i'd better stick with the current ;) |
| 04:45.12 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... though if you're offering my public key, something's suspicious ;-) |
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| 04:45.29 | fantomas | karsten: I wanted to mount initrd to explore it. But mount doesn't like/know initramfs type. |
| 04:45.30 | karsten | !nickometer |<4r5t3n |
| 04:45.31 | dpkg | '|<4r5t3n' is 74.000% lame, karsten |
| 04:45.38 | karsten | w007! |
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| 04:45.58 | karsten | fantomas: modprobe initramfs |
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| 04:46.14 | fantomas | karsten: hm.. I thought its alreade there hehe |
| 04:46.16 | karsten | fantomas: ... and/or 'file initrd.img' to see what filesystem it is. |
| 04:46.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. |
| 04:47.27 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:48.56 | bbelt16ag | nope |
| 04:49.12 | karsten | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg paster |
| 04:49.14 | bbelt16ag | not working karsten |
| 04:49.16 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 04:49.53 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... and paste to the pastebin: set | grep SSH; ps -fp $SSH_AGENT_PID; ssh -v <remotehost> |
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| 04:50.01 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... suitable substitution on remotehost. |
| 04:50.39 | mue | what about suspen-to-disk? i know there are different solutions.i am running kernel 2.6.20 (etch) on an amd64 |
| 04:50.43 | mue | +d |
| 04:50.54 | karsten | mue: swsusp if you can get it to go. |
| 04:50.57 | karsten | !swsusp |
| 04:50.57 | dpkg | it has been said that swsusp is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ with this you can suspend/hibernate your linux system to disk without any BIOS support. late 2.4 kernel versions actually work! it has been integrated into 2.5 |
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| 04:51.12 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:51.18 | bbelt16ag | i got ONE working now |
| 04:51.22 | karsten | mue: acpi / apm both more or less suck. |
| 04:51.23 | karsten | bbelt16ag: URL? |
| 04:51.31 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 04:51.51 | bbelt16ag | the machine is in ssh-add -L and ssh-add -l |
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| 04:52.06 | karsten | bbelt16ag: URL of your paste output. |
| 04:52.08 | karsten | karrotx: ?? |
| 04:52.11 | bbelt16ag | how do i get the other in there i did the same on both? i also have section in there for |
| 04:52.14 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:52.42 | bbelt16ag | just a second |
| 04:54.48 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 04:54.49 | bbelt16ag | no fair |
| 04:54.56 | bbelt16ag | i am posting it to pastbin |
| 04:55.01 | bbelt16ag | we are almost done :) |
| 04:55.12 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Life is pain, highness, anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something. |
| 04:55.21 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ... and yes, we are very nearly done. |
| 04:55.34 | bbelt16ag | its finding one server's private key and not the other.. |
| 04:55.43 | bbelt16ag | i did ssh-add onto both keys.. |
| 04:56.15 | karsten | bbelt16ag: ssh-add adds your *local* private key to ssh-agent's authentication proxy/socket thing. |
| 04:56.33 | karsten | bbelt16ag: You need to copy your *public* key into the authorized_keys file of the remote host(s) you're accessing. |
| 04:57.14 | karsten | bbelt16ag: If you plan to hit one remote host from _multiple_ local hosts, with different private/public keypairs, you need to be sure to append and not overwrite the authorized_keys file. So: echo >>. Not echo >. |
| 04:57.49 | bbelt16ag | right |
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| 04:59.21 | bbelt16ag | i understand that |
| 05:00.07 | bbelt16ag | but what i dont understand is why i cant ssh-add privatekey and then when i look at ssh-add -l or ssh-add -L the new key is not in there and i can still now login w/o password |
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| 05:00.28 | bbelt16ag | can ssh-add only have somany keys? |
| 05:00.38 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Not AFAIK. |
| 05:00.51 | karsten | bbelt16ag: There's an order to which keys are offered. |
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| 05:01.12 | karsten | bbelt16ag: And I think you may need to specify which key you're offering if you're keeping multiple private keys locally. |
| 05:01.24 | karsten | bbelt16ag: In general, I suggest *not* keeping multiple local private keys. |
| 05:02.23 | bbelt16ag | ok.. |
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| 05:02.42 | karsten | Ask channel from here on, I'm out. |
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| 05:02.49 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 05:03.14 | Gokee2 | How do I kill " 5606 pts/6 Zl+ 0:00 [xmms] <defunct>"? kill -9 5606 and kill -11 5606 do not work |
| 05:03.53 | karsten | Gokee2: Kill its parent |
| 05:04.03 | karsten | Gokee2: ps -fp 5606 |
| 05:04.13 | Gokee2 | ah! Thanks |
| 05:04.23 | karsten | Gokee2: You want its PPID. Note what that is first though. |
| 05:04.26 | karsten | !zombie |
| 05:04.26 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 05:04.56 | Gokee2 | Cool |
| 05:05.09 | karsten | Dark, even. |
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| 05:05.27 | Gokee2 | in fp P would stand for parent but whats the f? |
| 05:05.32 | daMaestro | anyone know much about jigdo? |
| 05:05.53 | daMaestro | i'm wondering how to specify many sources for one part/file |
| 05:06.30 | daMaestro | and i know debian does a lot of jigdo stuff. however, the debian jigdo files are not plaintext.. so i can't just read for myself. |
| 05:07.23 | mue | how to enable frequency scaling for amd64? |
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| 05:07.45 | daMaestro | oh dar.. they are just gzipped |
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| 05:08.39 | LasoL | hi |
| 05:08.45 | LasoL | i have a question |
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| 05:10.15 | LasoL | i have a file with a string. How can i count how many "a" there are in this file, or how many "2" etc... Ej: String-> "Hello World". If i want to know how many "o" it must return 2 |
| 05:10.36 | LasoL | i am tryinig with a cat file | grep letter, but it not work |
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| 05:11.28 | wrs_ | Hi, using the etch 2.6.18-3-486 kernel on an AMD K6-400, I encounter a system clock running much faster but the rtc (2 hours ahead while only 1 hour of uptime). Any suggestions how to solve this? I tried ntpdate and ntpd, but all difference that makes are kind of core dumps every now and then, probably because of time set back. |
| 05:11.35 | Gokee2 | 245.5 MB text file :) |
| 05:11.35 | grendal_prime | man bash is pikey |
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| 05:11.39 | grendal_prime | pickey that is |
| 05:12.22 | wrs_ | LasoL, what about a sort as a first approach? |
| 05:12.31 | predder | LasoL, look into using wc? |
| 05:12.53 | Indole | Lasol: cat filename | perl -pe 's//\n/g' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 05:13.07 | Indole | Quick'n'ugly :) |
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| 05:14.16 | wrs_ | Does anyone of you use the above etch kernel? Any clocks running ahead? |
| 05:14.23 | karsten | wrs_: real or virtual system? |
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| 05:14.32 | wrs_ | karrotx, real system |
| 05:14.37 | karsten | wrs_: chony might be what you want to use. |
| 05:14.38 | wrs_ | * karsten |
| 05:14.53 | LasoL | i cant use perl Indole |
| 05:14.57 | hooya | chrony? |
| 05:15.10 | karsten | !chrony |
| 05:15.10 | dpkg | chrony is probably a ntp program that is split into 2 parts: a daemon (chronyd) and a client that interfaces into the server (chronyc). For more information visit: http://chrony.sunsite.dk/. Warning, you most likely will have to change your chrony.conf file after installing by adding some servers and removing the offline tag. |
| 05:15.26 | karsten | LasoL: You want a word-count program? |
| 05:15.27 | hooya | LasoL: use "sed 's//\n/g' " instead |
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| 05:15.49 | karsten | LasoL: ... or a letter count? |
| 05:16.15 | wrs_ | karsten, thanks |
| 05:16.21 | karsten | LasoL: sed 's/./. /g' | tr -c ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr |
| 05:16.26 | karsten | LasoL: ... for a descending count |
| 05:16.42 | mue | how to enable frequency scaling for amd64? |
| 05:16.56 | karsten | LasoL: erm: sed 's/./& /g' | tr -c ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr |
| 05:16.57 | hooya | mue: cpufrequtils |
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| 05:18.13 | karsten | LasoL: ... or if you want a _correct_ result with some sample input: man bash | sed 's/./& /g' | tr -s ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr | less |
| 05:18.38 | mue | hollya: i used aptitude,is there a config file? |
| 05:18.55 | mue | hooya: i used aptitude,is there a config file? |
| 05:19.16 | hooya | mue: /etc/defaults/cpufrequtils |
| 05:19.23 | mue | thx |
| 05:19.39 | Indole | I recently switched sound cards, and I am currently unable to get sound in more than one application at a time. |
| 05:19.44 | wrs_ | karsten, and maybe in English, another letter but 'e' is the most common. ;-) |
| 05:19.46 | hooya | mue: tho i wouldn't know the specific driver you'd need to use. see what might work under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/ |
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| 05:20.05 | hooya | mue: you'd need to insmod or put the name of the module in /etc/modules |
| 05:20.36 | hooya | Indole: tried ALSA? |
| 05:20.38 | wrs_ | Hm, that looks strange... |
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| 05:21.37 | jZed | on etch: iwconfig shoes ndiswrapper loaded, ndiswrapper -l shows my netgear usb dongle, but iwconfig says "no device" ... what should I try next? |
| 05:21.58 | jZed | s/shoes/shows/ |
| 05:22.10 | Indole | hooya: I can't find a manfile for alsa... Should there be a daemon running? |
| 05:23.25 | hooya | Indole: try alsaconf (i think) |
| 05:25.24 | hooya | Indole: i don't have a sound card on this workstation. i do have it working on my laptop which is not here right now. sorry, can't check. but alsaconf usually works.. |
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| 05:26.07 | Indole | hooya: I was able to get my sound card running initially using alsaconf, but no mixing. |
| 05:26.14 | hooya | Indole: that is to say if the command is 'alsaconf'. i don't recall ever having to start a daemon.. |
| 05:26.20 | hooya | Indole: KDE? |
| 05:26.27 | Indole | Fluxbox. |
| 05:26.44 | hooya | Indole: does that have it's own sound server? OSS maybe? |
| 05:26.58 | jZed | alsaconf requires root here |
| 05:27.50 | Indole | I don't think Fluxbox does anything with sound; it's very minimal... |
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| 05:30.14 | hooya | Indole: not an expert on sound arch on linux. but my experience has been that between esd, arts, oss and alsa there are different ideas on how and where (the dm, the kernel) to do the mixing (sharing the same output device). that causes non-mix-ability.. |
| 05:30.33 | hooya | make sure that you are only running alsa |
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| 05:31.58 | hooya | Indole: in some apps, you can choose the sound arch to use. make sure they're set to alsa if that option is available.. |
| 05:32.24 | Indole | Oh feck, I just remembered my GF is running KDE in another xserver... which would invoke artsd |
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| 05:32.53 | hooya | Indole: i think you can disable artsd for kde.. not sure tho. |
| 05:32.59 | hooya | Indole: but that would do it. |
| 05:33.25 | hooya | s/do it/cause non-mix-ability/ |
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| 05:38.32 | Indole | Ok, killed the KDE session, artsd went away. Same problem now, however. |
| 05:38.48 | bbelt16ag | sigh still not working and i am using the same damn key and the same config file |
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| 05:41.47 | jZed | lsusb shows my wifi dongle, iwconfig shows no wireless extension, what should I do? |
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| 05:42.44 | hooya | Indole: what two sound applications are you trying to use? |
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| 05:44.47 | wrs__ | karsten, with chrony on and ntp* removed, now the rtc was synced to the bad sysclock. And after the reboot, the sysclock still leaps ahead. |
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| 05:46.32 | Skept | hi guys, which file do i have to edit to make my shell look like this "[skept@xaphan skept]"? and which file do i have to edit to enable dir colors? |
| 05:46.45 | Indole | hooya: Mozilla and XMMS. |
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| 05:47.38 | wrs__ | Skept, for the colors try ~/.bashrc |
| 05:48.58 | wrs__ | Skept, iirc in mine, there is something like an "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" |
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| 05:49.09 | Skept | wrs__: gotcha. thanks |
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| 05:50.07 | hooya | Indole: i'm at the outer limits of my knowledge of sound on linux. shutting off arts and an alsaconf usually does the right thing for me. make sure both apps are using /dev/dsp. after that i don't know what you'd need to do.. sorry :( |
| 05:51.13 | Indole | I will continue trying various things! |
| 05:51.36 | Indole | Wish I could find a very general overview of the whole issue. |
| 05:51.39 | Supaplex | the pink skirt might look good on you |
| 05:52.35 | jZed | please, anyone, how can I troubleshoot my etch wifi .. lsusb shows my device, ndiswrapper -l shows my device driver, but iwconfig shows no wireless device |
| 05:53.07 | Supaplex | jZed: which device is it? there are dozens of wireless adapters. |
| 05:53.39 | jZed | netgear usb wg111v2, I have the driver from the CD installed via ndiswrapper |
| 05:54.01 | jZed | supposedly it runs under acx100 aslo but I couldn't get that to work either |
| 05:54.23 | jZed | others have reported this working with this driver under debian |
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| 05:55.04 | hooya | Indole: i think the issue is/was that since if multiple programs opened and wrote to the sound device, the sound would come out garbled. someone would have to play the role of a mixer. before alsa, before oss, kde tried handling it on their own thru arts. then oss came along but since it's comparable to arts it was used more for non kde specific stuff. but since arts worked at kde level, you had to make kde api calls to work with arts. |
| 05:56.47 | Azar | :) |
| 05:57.21 | Azar | hey Supaplex do you know what is DST good for? |
| 05:57.24 | hooya | some programs still access the device file directly. then alsa came along to fix all kinds of issues and provide a /dev/dsp type device so that any app could open it and write to it without locking others out and alsa would take the /dev/dsp output and the do the mixdowns.. and out thru the real device. |
| 05:58.12 | Supaplex | Azar: well, not unless you have a time bank to keep up all that saved time up in. ;) no, what? |
| 05:58.13 | Azar | "anyone" knows what is DST good for? |
| 05:58.25 | Supaplex | !seen anyone |
| 05:58.26 | dpkg | anyone <n=username@3e6b96fc.rev.stofanet.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 76d 10h 48m 3s ago, saying: 'Phated, dunno, so I'll scoot .. have a nice evening (or whatever is fitting for your timezone) :-)'. |
| 05:58.28 | jZed | saving electricity in the evenings |
| 05:58.33 | Gokee2 | So what if a program locks out the "fake" /dev/dsp and then another program also tries to write directly to /dev/dsp? |
| 05:58.34 | Azar | it is said is good for saving the daylights |
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| 05:58.53 | Azar | but again then Supaplex do you know what "from" is saving it? |
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| 05:58.58 | hooya | so, if arts is running, /dev/dsp is locked by arts and apps trying to write directly to /dev/dsp are unable to do so.. |
| 05:59.07 | Azar | or from what is saving it? |
| 05:59.09 | Supaplex | yea, budget cuts on the big blue room. |
| 05:59.14 | Azar | no man |
| 05:59.20 | Azar | is saving it from darkness |
| 05:59.32 | hooya | Gokee2: alsa provided /dev/dsp is not locked.. |
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| 06:00.01 | Gokee2 | ah so no one can lock the also /dev/dsp? |
| 06:00.10 | jZed | it goes in the light savings bank, make sure you have a lot in there for your retirement, you can never have too much light |
| 06:00.17 | hooya | s/also/alsa/. yes |
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| 06:00.49 | Azar | Supaplex: I just read someone else who does not have the same opinion with me.. |
| 06:00.57 | Azar | it say: The only reason DTS was invented was so that when it goes back to GMT (UK rules :)) the nightclubs get to stay open for an hour longer :) *fact* :) |
| 06:00.58 | hooya | Gokee2: that way, all the sound apps don't have to deal with a specific api like in the case of arts |
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| 06:01.58 | Gokee2 | Cool |
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| 06:02.08 | Gokee2 | I like alsa even more now :) |
| 06:02.13 | hooya | again, i'm not an expert on this matter.. take it all with a grain of salt. |
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| 06:02.36 | Supaplex | Azar: supposedly its to reduce overall cost and decrease accidents, highway deaths etc. and some poor excuse to goofup programming all over the place. :P |
| 06:03.02 | Azar | hahaha well excuses my friend , excuses |
| 06:03.09 | Supaplex | anyway, there's not daylight here to save, so I'm going to kill some midnight hours. nite. |
| 06:04.25 | hooya | Gokee2: if you do sound processing, (like i intend to in the next few years - i want to build a small home studio for myself), check out alsa, jackd and ardour |
| 06:04.29 | Azar | its like my new boss you know.... the 5th I got so far: everytime they show up, the brand new ones start screwing around just to get props for their innovative inputs. After few months everything goes back to normal only to have them bailing and a new screwup comes |
| 06:04.59 | Gokee2 | hooya, Whats jackd and ardour do? |
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| 06:05.31 | k-man | Gokee2, jackd is a low latency audio thingo |
| 06:05.45 | hooya | jackd provides a 'patch panel' type setup where you can send the output of any sound app to the input of any other app. |
| 06:05.46 | k-man | and ardour is a digital audio workstation.. for recording and mixing audio |
| 06:06.03 | hooya | or so i understand |
| 06:06.04 | hooya | ;) |
| 06:06.27 | k-man | jackd is pretty cool, although it took me a short while to grasp the benefit of it |
| 06:06.51 | Azar | you know with this DST crisis I really need of a special gadget from the Debian developers |
| 06:07.18 | Azar | im gonna put the speakers and the monitor on my bed night stand. I need a waking up clock app on Debian |
| 06:07.41 | Azar | with big red digital numbers and a chime of my choice |
| 06:07.52 | raf256 | Azar: haha :) |
| 06:07.58 | Gokee2 | Hmm, I will look into it... I am taking a radio class right now :) |
| 06:08.12 | Azar | man I am for real, it will be the first Distro to distribute wake-up clocks |
| 06:08.19 | hooya | if it's a patch panel type thing, i can already see using it extensively. juggling cables is not fun. and specifically, trying to figure out what is connected to what - in real hardware - is getting to be a pain. i have a 4 track that only does two channels at a time so i have to keep changing the cables and it's a pain.. |
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| 06:08.42 | hooya | looking forward to getting an m-audio card that does 8 and using jackd to route the input .. |
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| 06:08.57 | k-man | hooya, yeah, that would be very nice |
| 06:09.00 | Gokee2 | I have a M-audio rev 7.1 :) |
| 06:09.03 | Gokee2 | Its awsome |
| 06:09.03 | silly83298nick | anyone here experience with Pulseaudio |
| 06:09.06 | JJ|Laptop | any ideas for how to boot a user in bash?\ |
| 06:09.14 | k-man | hooya, i have been playing with ardour a bit, its great fun for recording and playing along while recording |
| 06:09.19 | JJ|Laptop | or how to remount a drive as writeable |
| 06:09.28 | LeFallen | Does anyone use a 4-port SATA 2 PCI-X controller card with debian etch, and if so what card? |
| 06:09.29 | hooya | Gokee2: you lucky bas*** :P |
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| 06:09.59 | k-man | i came across this site the other day and they guy had tuned jackd and his audio subsystem to get less than 1ms response time.. so he could play guitar and listen the the stream live like |
| 06:10.44 | CompWizrd | Azar: if you're having trouble waking up, these are pretty much guaranteed to work(i have the sbt425ss myself): http://www.sonicalert.com/htm/clock.htm |
| 06:10.46 | hooya | k-man: i read about the latency.. is that a real issue if you dont' want to do a custom compile of the kernel? |
| 06:10.57 | JJ|Laptop | any ideas for how to boot a user in bash or how to remount a drive as writeable? only through remote bash. |
| 06:11.11 | jZed | kill their tty |
| 06:11.24 | k-man | hooya, well afaict (i'm no expert) not really as long as you can do real time (i think the recent kernels can do it stock I could be wrong though) |
| 06:11.27 | jZed | mount dev -rw mountpoint |
| 06:11.54 | k-man | hooya, and anyway, you don't need to do real time as you can listen to the audio before it goes through jackd - so there is no delay |
| 06:12.05 | silly83298nick | can anyone get Pulseaudio working |
| 06:12.06 | hooya | k-man: i mean, if you get, say 200-300 ms response, would one really notice? |
| 06:12.13 | k-man | jackd and ardour go to extreme lengths to ensure recordings take into account the delay |
| 06:12.13 | Gokee2 | hooya, I have not been able to make any output exept the first work in linux. Last time I tried I ended up without sound for a few days and a lot of work.... The driver has had a bunch of changes since then though, I should try again. |
| 06:12.23 | JJ|Laptop | jZed: should mount point be replaced with something else? |
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| 06:12.45 | jZed | do man moutn for the details the -rw part gives you read-write |
| 06:12.54 | k-man | hooya, so all the tracks always line up, hooya, ask on #ardour for more info, I am a total novice really |
| 06:12.56 | Indole | 200ms is definately noticable |
| 06:12.59 | JJ|Laptop | i can't, it's read-only |
| 06:13.13 | k-man | hooya, yeah, even 50ms is noticeable i think |
| 06:13.19 | hooya | Gokee2: from what i've read so far m-audio seems to be one of the more well supported 'profession' quality sound cards out there.. but maybe it was the model i was researching.. |
| 06:13.20 | JJ|Laptop | jZed: anu idea how to kick off other users? |
| 06:13.40 | k-man | hooya, i think you need to get down to 10-20 ms to be almost unnoticable |
| 06:13.50 | jZed | use ps to find what tty they are on, then kill the process for that tty |
| 06:14.17 | Gokee2 | hooya, It has always worked with the main output. Just the others, its one of the main things I was annoyed about when I moved to linux |
| 06:14.39 | Indole | At 150bpm, a 15th note would be 200ms |
| 06:14.50 | hooya | Gokee2: will have to keep an eye out for that issue.. thanks for the heads up. |
| 06:14.52 | Indole | 16th, whoops |
| 06:15.09 | grendal_prime | who is the bash master here? |
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| 06:15.28 | hooya | i'm the 'gate keeper' ;) |
| 06:15.55 | JJ|Laptop | jZed: would killing a user with this be a bad idea? |
| 06:15.57 | JJ|Laptop | "12824 pts/0 00:00:00 bash" |
| 06:16.04 | grendal_prime | im the keymaster |
| 06:16.06 | grendal_prime | hehehhe |
| 06:16.14 | jZed | hash master? |
| 06:16.15 | hooya | heh |
| 06:16.18 | jZed | stair master? |
| 06:16.21 | Gokee2 | So seeing there are experts in sound programs here... Does anyone know of a program that you cue up songs, record voice and put into the cue on the fly, see the cue as a track in a sound editerish formatt, and play back smoothly for radio output, as well as having a extra output that goes to the headphones for lisining to stuff in the cue before its played? |
| 06:16.36 | hooya | as long as there are no ass masters.. |
| 06:16.39 | grendal_prime | i need to find gozer |
| 06:16.40 | jZed | laptop, depends, that might be you you're killing :-) |
| 06:16.41 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 06:16.53 | JJ|Laptop | lol |
| 06:16.54 | JJ|Laptop | oh well |
| 06:16.56 | hooya | but hey, to each his own |
| 06:17.03 | Gokee2 | hooya, It may be fixed my now, and I was very new to linux when I tried to make it work. |
| 06:17.04 | hooya | ;) |
| 06:17.20 | silly83298nick | does anyone here use Pulseaudio |
| 06:17.21 | Loto | Ive got a hdd that has crashed. linux gives the following error while mounting. Buffer I/O error on device hdc1, logical block 0, end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 3, EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock. Oviously it looks like it cant read any superblocks. Is there any software available to extract data from the drive? |
| 06:18.18 | grendal_prime | loto you try putting it into another machine with a working os and mounting it? |
| 06:18.38 | karrotx | wahhhhaaat? |
| 06:19.04 | Loto | its not the root filesystem so the box still works fine. But yes I have tried reading the drive using a win32 machine using partition magic 8 |
| 06:19.07 | Gokee2 | ardour needs jack :/ |
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| 06:19.22 | Loto | other ext3 filesystems on the debian box mount properly |
| 06:19.39 | paolo | hi*. I am trying to install linux on a sata drive using the gentoo live cd. After I create the partition with fdisk, I cannot access the drive anymore. Any solution? |
| 06:19.45 | hooya | Gokee2: check out: http://linux-sound.org/one-page.html |
| 06:19.53 | Gokee2 | does jack need a lot of setup or will it just work after have installed it? |
| 06:20.33 | hooya | Gokee2: i have not really used it. you may need to play around with it to get comfortable. it's a patch panel after all.. |
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| 06:21.05 | Azar | paolo: we do Debian here, not gentoo |
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| 06:21.47 | hooya | Gokee2: be sure to check out audacity |
| 06:21.59 | paolo | Azar... well I still don't see the difference. I would be happy to install Debian, if I can format my disk |
| 06:22.46 | JJ|Laptop | if "mount -o remount,rw /" doesn't work any idea how to remount to read-only? |
| 06:22.53 | JJ|Laptop | could a reboot help? |
| 06:23.14 | silly83298nick | paolo... windows fdisk will not format a drive into ext3 the linux filesystem |
| 06:23.19 | Azar | paolo: you use windows now? |
| 06:23.29 | jZed | first umount /mnt/foo |
| 06:23.33 | silly83298nick | no... i mean the dos fdisk |
| 06:23.33 | Gokee2 | hooya, I have that, it does not work on my laptop very well.... The first record works great, however when I do another record and it creates a new track it is distorted getting a lot more so each new track |
| 06:23.43 | jZed | then mount /dev/foo -rw /mnt/foo |
| 06:24.03 | Gokee2 | At the radio stations mac audacity works great |
| 06:24.06 | paolo | silly83298nick, Azar who said that I have been using windows? as I said, I used the gentoo live cd |
| 06:24.14 | silly83298nick | if he was using fdisk to format a drive then he had windows on at one time at least |
| 06:24.21 | Azar | paolo: we do not do gentoo here |
| 06:24.30 | hooya | Gokee2: i tried a while back and it crashed on me too. but that was a weird setup so... |
| 06:24.30 | Gokee2 | Its awsome going into the radio stations studio and getting to play around with all there stuff.... |
| 06:24.31 | paolo | silly83298nick, Azar anyway I don't even arrive to the point I can fdisk it |
| 06:24.39 | Azar | paolo: if you use windows you can install Debian from here: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 06:24.39 | paolo | Azar, this has nothing to do with gentoo/debian |
| 06:24.50 | paolo | Azar, I don't have windows, sorry |
| 06:25.04 | paolo | Azar, at the moment I only have a gentoo live cd |
| 06:25.11 | Azar | paolo: if you ask a Debian question, you get help, if you ask a gentoo question, no |
| 06:25.15 | hooya | Gokee2: lucky you.. :) |
| 06:25.21 | Loto | try #gentoo |
| 06:25.28 | Gokee2 | "Jack transforms your audio-CDs to FLAC, MP3 or Ogg Vorbis files."? |
| 06:25.37 | hooya | jack does? |
| 06:25.54 | paolo | Azar, well probably because you don't know the answer. it has nothing to do with gentoo. That is the only thing that I can use to boot linux on my machine |
| 06:25.55 | hooya | usually use grip for that. |
| 06:25.59 | Gokee2 | Its the start of its manpage... |
| 06:26.12 | Gokee2 | it looks like a cd ripper.... |
| 06:26.16 | hooya | hmm.. maybe it does more than i thought it did. again, i'm not an expert. |
| 06:26.19 | jZed | paolo, If I was you, I'd change nicks and come back and ask the same question but say debian instead of gentoo |
| 06:26.20 | sparr | how can i check what filesystem a drive uses? |
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| 06:26.39 | Azar | yea see? then we will give you help with debian |
| 06:26.45 | silly83298nick | try knoppix of dreamlinux or just get the debian installation disk, if you want debian and they will all work |
| 06:26.48 | paolo | jZed, this is the first smart thing that I have heard so far! ;-) (Seriously) |
| 06:26.57 | hooya | sparr: fdisk /dev/hdX , then type 'p' |
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| 06:27.12 | sparr | hooya: i dont want the partition type, i want the filesystem |
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| 06:27.44 | Gokee2 | That seems to be all jack does... rip cd`s..?... in apt-cache search jack it says "jack - Rip and encode CDs with one command" |
| 06:27.52 | silly83298nick | anyone here use pulseaudio |
| 06:27.56 | hooya | Gokee2: jackd? |
| 06:27.56 | sparr | Gokee2: you dont know jack |
| 06:28.47 | Azar | fstab tells that one too |
| 06:28.48 | hooya | Gokee2: we were talking about jackd. try 'aptitude jackd' |
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| 06:28.56 | Gokee2 | Ya I see that now |
| 06:29.11 | Gokee2 | I am getting jackd jackbeat jack-tools jack-rack |
| 06:29.15 | Gokee2 | :) |
| 06:29.25 | hooya | and don't forget qjackctl |
| 06:29.32 | Azar | sparr: ext2, ext3 or reiserfs show up as well |
| 06:29.38 | hooya | just don't jack-off |
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| 06:29.48 | jZed | is this for taking music off cd's jackd ripper? |
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| 06:30.02 | Gokee2 | hooya, ok whats that do? |
| 06:30.04 | Azar | jack sons |
| 06:30.16 | hooya | jZed: 'jack' is the ripper. 'jackd' is a patch panel for audio. |
| 06:30.41 | pyrohotdog | How can I make a video file smaller, to fit on a VCD? |
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| 06:30.51 | sparr | Azar: i disagreee |
| 06:30.58 | hooya | again, take everything i say with a grain of salt. i've just been in the planning stages for putting a music workstation together. so i'm speaking from what i've read. not what i've done. |
| 06:30.58 | Loto | try doom9.net pyrohotdog |
| 06:31.29 | hooya | Gokee2: give you a nice GUI to do jack |
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| 06:32.28 | Azar | stoned |
| 06:32.49 | marek23 | Hello. How do I force a file system (ext3) check on the next reboot? e2fsck is warning me not to opperate on a mounted file system. |
| 06:33.18 | marek23 | (I can't unmount it as it is mounted as my root) |
| 06:33.29 | Gokee2 | Can I play xmms through jack? |
| 06:33.40 | hooya | Gokee2: see xmms-jack |
| 06:33.40 | sparr | Azar: what fdisk are you using that shows filesystems? |
| 06:33.44 | Azar | stoned: You suck on electric guitar. If you are not aware of that now, you will be after playing Frets on Fire -- a cross-platform, GPLed music game from Unreal Voodoo, where your PC's keyboard is the instrument and you play lead. |
| 06:34.04 | Gokee2 | hooya, Ah thanks |
| 06:34.16 | Azar | sparr: it shows on your fstab where hda might be your HD |
| 06:34.42 | sparr | Azar: fstab can be wrong, or incomplete |
| 06:34.53 | hooya | Gokee2: alsa, jack and ardour is the bees knees - it seems.. |
| 06:34.58 | cahoot | marek: like shutdown -rF |
| 06:35.00 | Azar | sparr: how so ? who told you, where did you read that? |
| 06:35.19 | karrotx | flrik! |
| 06:35.19 | sparr | Azar: you can put anything in fstab, doesnt change the filesystem thats actually on the disk |
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| 06:35.56 | Azar | sparr: I never put anything in fstab by myself, it is set up so from the Debian installation |
| 06:35.57 | marek23 | cahoot: Great, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! |
| 06:36.06 | marek23 | q |
| 06:36.12 | sparr | Azar: good for you. |
| 06:36.16 | Azar | did you put anything on fstab manually? |
| 06:36.30 | sparr | no, i didnt, hence the "or incomplete" part of my statement |
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| 06:36.38 | Azar | :) sweet |
| 06:36.41 | Gokee2 | jackd is... awsome |
| 06:36.50 | sparr | go plug a hard drive into your computer and see if your fstab is magically updated |
| 06:36.50 | Azar | well I let the experts help you then... |
| 06:36.52 | sparr | hint: its not |
| 06:37.21 | hooya | sparr: you can try letting mount autodetect the filetype |
| 06:37.30 | hooya | s/filetype/filesystem type/ |
| 06:37.45 | silly83298nick | if my soundcard can use hardware sound mixing what do i specify as my device? |
| 06:37.49 | Gokee2 | jack and ardour look powerfull :) I should really study for my math test tomarrow though |
| 06:38.01 | sparr | hooya: thats my best answer so far, id really prefer to do it without mounting, or for filesystems my mount isnt compiled with support for |
| 06:38.02 | hooya | math? who needs math.. |
| 06:38.11 | cahoot | silly83298nick: just tell your apps to use alsa |
| 06:38.13 | sparr | hooya: my second best solution is to dd the device to a file, then run "file" on it. |
| 06:38.15 | hooya | sparr: i can't think of anything yet.. |
| 06:38.28 | hooya | sparr: that's what i was thinking of too |
| 06:38.29 | Azar | it is not sunday but definitely is still the 13th, cursed day |
| 06:38.38 | hooya | sparr: but seems rather crude |
| 06:38.39 | sparr | hooya: that is somewhat space prohibitive |
| 06:38.50 | Azar | hooya: sparr needs an expert .... |
| 06:38.58 | hooya | sparr: you may want to dd the first few bytes |
| 06:39.03 | silly83298nick | no, i'm trying to get pulseaudio to do alsa but it wants to use dmix, obviously dmix is pointless if your using pulseaudio |
| 06:40.16 | sparr | hooya: ive done that, but some of the filesystem "magic numbers" read from the end of the image, or specific offsets |
| 06:41.08 | jZed | k. last attempt, anyone know what to try if lusb on etch sees my usb wifi dongle and modprobe sees ndiswrapper, and ndiswrapper -l sees my driver and my driver is the right one but iwconfig says no wireless extensions |
| 06:41.30 | hooya | sparr: that's true.. i've never run into a situation where i've 1) not known the filesystem in advance or 2) letting mount decide - weren't an option. so i've not had to think about it... |
| 06:41.58 | sparr | hooya: i need a sign, "i dont waste time on irc with easy questions" :) |
| 06:42.03 | Azar | sparr: the fstab is listing your filesystem and if not, you are not using Debian-linux |
| 06:42.04 | hooya | silly83298nick: what's pulseaudio? |
| 06:42.14 | sparr | Azar: then you are not using Debian-linux |
| 06:42.16 | hooya | Azar: that's not always the case. |
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| 06:42.27 | Azar | sparr: hehe skilled trolling huh? |
| 06:42.32 | silly83298nick | its suppossed to be a drop in replacement for esound |
| 06:42.38 | Azar | I can see you got spare time and are bored |
| 06:42.41 | hooya | Azar: it's a legit question. |
| 06:42.56 | hooya | silly83298nick: why not alsa? |
| 06:43.02 | sparr | hooray! trolling success elsewhere. "file -s /dev/hda1" reads the actual device |
| 06:43.03 | sparr | hooray |
| 06:43.14 | hooya | nice. |
| 06:43.41 | Azar | hooya: if you are not aware enough let me introduce you a person who is bored and asks questions only because he needs to argue about something with someone |
| 06:44.25 | hooya | Azar: ah. that i didn't know. |
| 06:44.25 | silly83298nick | alsa can be slow at times and buggy, especially when used with esound |
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| 06:44.33 | sparr | Azar: not my fault you didnt know the answer |
| 06:44.35 | hooya | silly83298nick: what does esound bring to the table |
| 06:44.55 | Azar | sparr: I am glad I got stupid and you can't ask me anymore :) |
| 06:45.21 | silly83298nick | esound allows your sound card to handle multiple sounds at the same time and this is good for applications that may not use alsa |
| 06:45.35 | hooya | silly83298nick: good to know. |
| 06:45.49 | sparr | fruits of our labor: /dev/sdb1: Minix filesystem, 30 char names |
| 06:46.20 | paolo | hi*. I am trying to install linux on a sata drive using the gentoo live cd. After I create the partition with fdisk, I cannot access the drive anymore. Any solution? |
| 06:46.27 | silly83298nick | i kind of installed pulseaudio by accident, but then i noticed how much better it ran some things, like ZSnes ran perfectly for the first time perfectly |
| 06:46.46 | silly83298nick | but now i screwed something up and i can't get the speed back |
| 06:47.03 | hooya | heh.. maybe it was quick enough to get away? |
| 06:47.21 | silly83298nick | yeah |
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| 06:48.08 | hooya | aight folks, good night |
| 06:48.14 | silly83298nick | k |
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| 06:49.54 | sparr | paolo: create the partition, reboot, install? |
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| 06:57.45 | Azar | it only takes three commands to install gentoo: http://www.bash.org/?464385 |
| 06:58.16 | Azar | ah , he left |
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| 06:59.09 | Azar | the dpkg's links (devcave and funroll) are 404 |
| 06:59.41 | Azar | tarzeau: |
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| 07:02.37 | Malagmyr | Holy fucking shit! I was supposed to run this huge job on a windoze machine overnight, and at 5AM then thing is set to install updates. One of the updates "requires" an _automatic_ reboot! The shit rebooted itself at 5AM without as much as asking! |
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| 07:03.39 | Adlai | Malagmyr, language, and also, of course it did |
| 07:04.02 | Adlai | my copy of XP stopped running any programs after I installed a sound driver |
| 07:04.10 | Adlai | rolling back didn't help either |
| 07:04.15 | Adlai | just...nothing ran |
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| 07:05.00 | Adlai | Lulz, you don't know how many times I have done it for you |
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| 07:05.43 | dakirsch | hello |
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| 07:08.41 | Azar | hey guys... |
| 07:08.52 | Azar | pss pssttt I think we are all alone here |
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| 07:09.30 | Gokee2 | Azar, no really |
| 07:09.43 | Azar | see? only you and another two are active |
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| 07:09.51 | Azar | I tell you we are alone |
| 07:10.09 | Gokee2 | I am working on calc :< so i am not really here |
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| 07:10.46 | Azar | hey maybe I am getting paranoid, but with this crazy DST changes I need a wake-up clock set on my Debian |
| 07:10.54 | Azar | gonna use my PC to wake me up |
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| 07:11.30 | dakirsch | dpkg patch |
| 07:11.30 | dpkg | somebody said patch was just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 07:11.41 | Azar | I am outraged that the PC is nowadays intended for watching movies, listening/recording music but.... where is the clock? the functional clock ? |
| 07:11.44 | Gokee2 | Azar, I tried to do that with cron last night but was not able to make cron work for me to do anything :( so I gave up and went to bed late |
| 07:12.07 | Gokee2 | Azar, Bottem right? |
| 07:12.07 | dakirsch | azar: why not use an alarm clock? |
| 07:12.26 | Adlai | Azar, why don't you write a program that does what you want it to do? |
| 07:12.28 | Azar | nooooo I wish we could have a cool app, hey even as screensaver that could replace the clock |
| 07:12.45 | Azar | dakirsch: I use but we will get crazy DST changes soon |
| 07:12.57 | Adlai | you know, I'm tempted to submit that to google summer of code and do it myself |
| 07:12.59 | Azar | and my clock has a chip programmed for the old DST settings |
| 07:13.07 | Adlai | a clock screen saver |
| 07:13.14 | Adlai | naw, they wouldn't take it |
| 07:13.15 | Gokee2 | screensaver clock... So you have to sit and wait 5-10 min or however long before your screensaver kicks in to see the time? |
| 07:13.18 | Azar | Adlai: !!! yes and with alarm please |
| 07:13.23 | Adlai | haha |
| 07:13.25 | dakirsch | where are you azar? |
| 07:13.31 | Azar | California |
| 07:13.32 | Adlai | are you in australia? |
| 07:13.34 | Adlai | oh |
| 07:13.51 | Azar | we get hit by March 11, changed from April 1st |
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| 07:14.08 | Azar | then in the fall we got moved later one week for Nov4 |
| 07:14.13 | Adlai | isn't that what we have ntpd for anyway? |
| 07:14.23 | Azar | and you know what, I really can't rely on smart set clocks anymore |
| 07:14.24 | dakirsch | they changed DST in the US? |
| 07:14.36 | Azar | dakirsch: yes |
| 07:14.51 | Azar | this year it starts 3 weeks earlier and ends one week later |
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| 07:15.05 | Azar | and the dates are crazy, change every year now |
| 07:15.19 | dakirsch | why can everyone use unix standard time.. |
| 07:15.23 | Azar | so bottom line: we all need a PC wake-up Clock with alarm |
| 07:15.23 | dakirsch | err cant |
| 07:15.50 | Azar | that will take the time from the ntp and will never fail |
| 07:15.51 | Adlai | because I don't want to figure out what it means to be a few billion seconds after 1970 every time I want to schedule a lunch date |
| 07:16.41 | Azar | hmm or a clock that can be connected to the cable tv and synchronize the time with the PBS channels |
| 07:16.48 | Azar | something to rely on |
| 07:16.49 | Adlai | or however many seconds we're at now; I know one of you dorks is looking it up |
| 07:16.59 | Adlai | I vote for sundials |
| 07:17.16 | Azar | Adlai: I have another great idea: solar clocks |
| 07:17.22 | Adlai | they're reliable, unless it's cloudy |
| 07:17.39 | Azar | put a small sensor on the roof wire it down to your wake up clock: when the sun rises, alarm goes off |
| 07:17.42 | Adlai | so england will always be late, and the rest of us will pretty much be okay |
| 07:17.45 | Guerin | no |
| 07:17.47 | Gokee2 | Adlai, and at night... |
| 07:17.52 | Adlai | Azar, those are called roosters |
| 07:17.59 | dakirsch | andlai: dont you know that the world will end soon.. 2020 sumpting.. |
| 07:17.59 | Guerin | it's all about perpetual analogue watches |
| 07:18.05 | Azar | Adlai: illegal to have them in the US cities |
| 07:18.15 | Adlai | dakirsch, may 2012 or so |
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| 07:18.28 | Guerin | you wait and see, after WWIII only people with a seiko or a seamaster or something will know what time it is |
| 07:18.29 | dakirsch | yeah somthin like tat.. |
| 07:19.15 | Gokee2 | Just put a fake roosters with a loud speaker and light senser on the roof the crows real loud every morning :) |
| 07:19.16 | Azar | Guerin: good to know thanks Im getting a seiko. Today I just got my cranking battery-less flashlight with radio |
| 07:19.33 | Azar | hehe that would be nice |
| 07:19.36 | Gokee2 | that* |
| 07:19.52 | Azar | I like clocks with barking chimes |
| 07:19.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:19.58 | Guerin | we had hens when I was a kid |
| 07:20.14 | ChaosR | hmm, odd |
| 07:20.20 | Guerin | the guy next door complained because they gave him flashbacks of when he was a sentry in Indonesia in WW2 |
| 07:20.33 | Adlai | hahahahaha |
| 07:20.33 | ChaosR | it seems the last update destroyed the sound engine |
| 07:20.35 | ChaosR | in some way |
| 07:20.38 | Adlai | that's pretty harsh |
| 07:20.39 | Gokee2 | lol |
| 07:20.44 | dakirsch | cranking batery less flash light? too many moving parts... i'm going to invent a solar powered flashlight it will work only when the sun is up. hehe |
| 07:20.47 | Adlai | ChaosR, that's interesting |
| 07:20.52 | ChaosR | yeh |
| 07:20.54 | Guerin | yeh, we had to get rid of them before he killed one with his rifle |
| 07:20.57 | Adlai | I updated the sound drivers in windows and my system died |
| 07:21.00 | Guerin | or a bayonet or something |
| 07:21.11 | ChaosR | I'm on debian etch |
| 07:21.20 | ChaosR | all movie and sound players refuse to start |
| 07:21.33 | Gokee2 | dakirsch, Order me up a big stack of them cool soler flashlights I am sure they will sell great on ebay :) |
| 07:21.34 | Adlai | that sucks |
| 07:21.41 | dakirsch | hehe |
| 07:21.43 | Adlai | I hope someone here knows how to fix that, because I don't |
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| 07:22.03 | Guerin | ChaosR: what error when you run cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 07:22.04 | Azar | Adlai: I have no idea about windows |
| 07:22.04 | Guerin | ? |
| 07:22.23 | Gokee2 | Adlai, yep! Install debian :) |
| 07:22.32 | ChaosR | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 07:22.38 | ChaosR | that happen |
| 07:22.39 | ChaosR | s |
| 07:22.46 | Adlai | Gokee2, NEEDS NO BATTERIES! RUNS ON NATURAL ENERGY SOURCE! |
| 07:22.46 | ChaosR | it returns that* |
| 07:22.48 | streuner | KDE? |
| 07:22.53 | Guerin | ChaosR: ok. run `alsaconf' and see what givces |
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| 07:22.56 | Adlai | heh, Azar, I wasn't asking about windows |
| 07:23.02 | streuner | ChaosR: are you running KDE? |
| 07:23.03 | Adlai | or about anything |
| 07:23.14 | ChaosR | bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 07:23.21 | ChaosR | streuner: gnome |
| 07:23.21 | Azar | Adlai: same as my flashlight: no battery just move the wheel (crank it) and loads itself |
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| 07:23.36 | streuner | ChaosR: ps axu | grep -i esd |
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| 07:23.50 | Adlai | streuner, s/xu/ux/ |
| 07:23.51 | Guerin | ChaosR: install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 07:23.57 | grendal_prime | i got a problem with ntfs-3g |
| 07:24.24 | ChaosR | streuner: return 2 things |
| 07:24.30 | Guerin | grendal_prime: the problem is that you use it |
| 07:24.49 | streuner | !esd |
| 07:24.49 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 07:24.55 | grendal_prime | i shutdown a box durring boot ( trying to throw worse case situation at the box) and baisaclly after that i have to reboot into windows to get checkdisk to clean it up |
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| 07:25.25 | Adlai | !beer me |
| 07:25.28 | Adlai | !meer be |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | grendal_prime: honestly, trying to stress-test something which is basically experimental guesswork is *bound* to fail |
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| 07:26.15 | grendal_prime | Guerin: ? dude even with this problem it seems more reliable than xp |
| 07:26.16 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 07:26.21 | Guerin | hah |
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| 07:26.52 | ChaosR | streuner: odd, It seems ESD turned on, in some way, I've stopped it, and movie + sound works again |
| 07:26.55 | streuner | Guerin: ever listen to Apollo Four Fourty? |
| 07:27.01 | grendal_prime | thing is...if i could run the ntfsprogs checkdisk and it then allow me to mount the damn thing it would be fine im sure. |
| 07:27.06 | Guerin | streuner: i think i heard one tune |
| 07:27.09 | Adlai | grendal_prime, you'll want to be nice to ntfs, it's very fragile |
| 07:27.28 | grendal_prime | Adlai: its a piece of shit really. |
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| 07:27.46 | Adlai | but a fragile, brittle, old, dry, nasty piece of shit |
| 07:27.52 | grendal_prime | the situation is that if it fks up there is a total copy of the partion i can then yank and overlay. |
| 07:28.03 | Gokee2 | grendal_prime, I have shut down my computer doing boot with no side affects... However I try and only do that in early boot... |
| 07:28.15 | Adlai | how is ntfs support these days anyway? |
| 07:28.20 | grendal_prime | using qpartd. |
| 07:28.41 | grendal_prime | this thing ntfs-3g, pretty cool rw capable.. |
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| 07:29.07 | Gokee2 | Windows would peel my skin off and poor limon juice on my if I shut it off during boot. |
| 07:29.11 | Gokee2 | me* |
| 07:29.31 | grendal_prime | but one problem...like i say..it literally comes up after a bad boot and says..."hey, this thing got intereupted, reboot in windows 2 times to fix it" |
| 07:30.05 | Devastator | when i try to dist-upgrade i've got "error processing .... sysvinit-util.... trying to overwrite mesg1.gz which is also in package sysvinit" what can i do? |
| 07:30.21 | grendal_prime | now, the chkdsk in ntfsprogs seems to clean it up fine, but it still does not want to mount. |
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| 07:31.01 | grendal_prime | im not dieing on this by the way...this is all test stuff. but you know..it would shure make things easy if i could force the mount in some way |
| 07:31.29 | Adlai | grendal_prime, is the ntfs partition your root? |
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| 07:32.22 | Adlai | if not, I'd say boot in single-user mode, which I think should let you do stuff before it mounts all your drives, and just do the fsck there |
| 07:33.08 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 07:33.36 | Devastator | could somebody help me please? =( |
| 07:33.56 | Adlai | (if it is your root, I really have no idea why or how you did that) |
| 07:34.27 | Guerin | i blame crack |
| 07:34.30 | grendal_prime | well basially what happened was i powerd down durring a boot..(im working on an extreem recover situation when the entire box is dead, so it boots up a linux partion and vpns for diagnostics) |
| 07:34.37 | Guerin | it makes people do stupid shit and eventually kills them |
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| 07:36.10 | Adlai | grendal_prime, other solution is you pull out a livecd and use that to fsck |
| 07:36.24 | Adlai | which is pretty much guaranteed to work, if an fsck will help |
| 07:36.30 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to compile dpkg, how can I prevent the manpages being built? |
| 07:36.38 | grendal_prime | we have to remote in, werid places... |
| 07:37.26 | grendal_prime | what i need to be able to do is run the chkdsk and then reboot to the windows side. |
| 07:37.30 | Adlai | oh crazy |
| 07:37.44 | Adlai | uumm |
| 07:38.00 | Adlai | make yourself a "livecd" type thing on the drive somewhere and put an extra entry in grub? |
| 07:38.13 | oem_list | i try to download debian-31r4-amd64 DVDs through btdownload.bittorrent and it gives the error "request rejected - ....." anybody know why? |
| 07:38.30 | grendal_prime | it always boots to the liux side first and runs some sanity checks on th windows side..then if all comes up good, it reboots to the windows side. |
| 07:38.39 | Adlai | you're basically just going to have to find a way to boot minimally with the tools you need |
| 07:38.57 | Adlai | yeah I don't understand what you just said |
| 07:40.06 | grendal_prime | ok grub always boots linux partion. ..it then writes a check to the mounted ntfs drive, sets the windows partion as the next default boot, then reboots the box. |
| 07:40.24 | Adlai | hmm |
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| 07:40.57 | Guerin | oem_list: the log should tell you |
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| 07:41.06 | grendal_prime | windows comes up and sets the check to (allclear) and then continues on its way. if something goes wrong and it is unable to set the all clear, the system boots back to linux and vpns to hq for diagnosticls and repair |
| 07:41.17 | Devastator | when i try to dist-upgrade i've got "error processing .... sysvinit-util.... trying to overwrite mesg1.gz which is also in package sysvinit" what can i do? |
| 07:41.36 | Adlai | dunno man |
| 07:41.37 | Adlai | sorry |
| 07:42.20 | grendal_prime | well all that works fine, unless, there is a problem durring the boot of winodws...a power loss. and the checkdisk as to run to clean it |
| 07:42.32 | solemnwarning | How can I prevent the manpages being built in dpkg? |
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| 07:42.51 | Guerin | oem_list: maybe the tracker is down ... you can try telnetting to it |
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| 07:43.33 | grendal_prime | when the box vpns back it would be fine, if i could run the checkdisk form the linux partion, but it..literally comes bac and says...use windows...for this twice..werid. |
| 07:44.18 | grendal_prime | i think its actually fix disk. |
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| 07:44.27 | oem_list | Guerin, the same files download fine through wget.. |
| 07:44.53 | grendal_prime | it runs and comes back clean, but still will not let me mount the drive and set the flags back so it will run |
| 07:45.01 | Guerin | oem_list: yes, since bittorrent and http are wildly different |
| 07:45.13 | grendal_prime | windows again that is..weird |
| 07:45.21 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
| 07:45.23 | grendal_prime | seeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 07:47.01 | oem_list | Guerin: how to see the logs? the first lone is reading "conecting to peers" and the next line contains the error "request rejected - ...." |
| 07:47.27 | oem_list | Guerin: is that the log or the log is written elsewere..? |
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| 07:54.39 | Guerin | oem_list: unsure where the bittorrent client log ends up |
| 07:54.46 | Guerin | maybe in .bittorrent or something |
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| 07:59.23 | oem_list | Guerin: i couldn't find the bittorrent logs any other place too |
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| 08:00.44 | lkthomas | hey all, anyone know if awstats require per domain config file ? |
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| 08:01.24 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 08:01.25 | oem_list | Guerin: besides, should the announce url of the .torrent file be reachable through say, firefox also? this url is not reachable through firefox |
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| 08:04.15 | kakalto | has there been major breakages and stuff with kde in etch recently? |
| 08:04.34 | hark | kakalto: check the bts |
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| 08:06.10 | Alarm | goodmorning. when installing debian testing dvd 1 . is there any way during the installation to choose manualy the packages ? i only saw categories, like desktop , mail server and so on, but nothing to choose them one by one. when escaping the installation i have to install everything with apt-get . |
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| 08:06.53 | hark | Alarm: 'nothing to choose'? |
| 08:07.12 | Alarm | i mean there is no choice like "select packages manualy" |
| 08:07.26 | Alarm | there are only categories to choose, like desktop, mail server , dns server and so on |
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| 08:07.46 | Alarm | even from the category desktop i couldnt figure out how can i enter and choose on my own what packages i want , if i want gnome or kde for example |
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| 08:08.18 | Alarm | so i had to quit the installation , and from the consol to install them one by one. thats what i am asking, if there is any packages manager during the installation that will allow me to select what packages i want to install |
| 08:08.44 | hark | Alarm: you can see what packages a task has by tasksel --task-packages desktop |
| 08:08.56 | hark | ^ for the desktop task, say |
| 08:09.19 | hark | But, if you know what you want, it's better to just skip it |
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| 08:09.28 | Alarm | ok. and 2 more questions and i am done :) |
| 08:09.30 | hark | what do you want to install? |
| 08:09.34 | mandingo | any way to find out which package provides a directory? |
| 08:09.37 | mandingo | dpkg -S no? |
| 08:09.37 | dpkg | Badgers ate my no! |
| 08:09.38 | badgers | dpkg: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 08:09.45 | Alarm | actually kde, thats why i am wondering |
| 08:09.55 | hark | !install kde |
| 08:09.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 08:09.59 | Alarm | would just apt-get -V install kde do, or do i need to install before xorg manualy and so on ? |
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| 08:10.02 | Caldrin | I saw, etch is frozen. Does that mean, its close to being released as stable? |
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| 08:10.16 | hark | Caldrin: /msg dpkg frozen |
| 08:10.31 | hark | Caldrin: bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 08:10.50 | hark | Alarm: aptitude install xorg kde kdm |
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| 08:11.07 | hark | Alarm: if you installed etch |
| 08:11.23 | hark | mandingo: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:11.36 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 08:11.43 | Alarm | well as i said, 2 are my question. firstly if installing kde, does install xorg automatically as well, or i need to install xorg before and then kde, as also kdebase would install kde with less applicaitons ? cause kde installation alone installs every single little utility that are not needed for me. the second question is what do the testing dvd 2, and 3 include ? |
| 08:11.54 | Alarm | kde, xorg ok, kdm is what ? |
| 08:12.13 | hark | the display manager |
| 08:12.16 | hark | !dm |
| 08:12.16 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 08:13.05 | peterS | use the Gnome Dungeon Master |
| 08:13.12 | hark | Alarm: kde-core or kdebase for a minimal install |
| 08:13.23 | Alarm | well, i guess i need to google that. dont understand the difference between kde and kdm, |
| 08:13.50 | hark | Alarm: it's not necessay. you can just use startx |
| 08:13.50 | peterS | Alarm: kdm is the application that brings up a login screen and lets you run your login session. KDE is all the software in your login session |
| 08:13.58 | Alarm | Hark ok i will do so. so as i see from ur install above, u did include also xorg in the command, which means kde only doesnt install xorg |
| 08:14.33 | Alarm | ohh got what u mean. so that i wont need to enter in a console session and startx |
| 08:14.38 | Alarm | thank you a lot. |
| 08:14.44 | peterS | that's the idea of a display manager, right |
| 08:15.01 | Alarm | good, very helpful , i think i am done with questions for the moment :) |
| 08:15.09 | hark | Alarm: did you install stable or testing? |
| 08:15.15 | Alarm | testing |
| 08:15.16 | peterS | !dm =~ s/manager/manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session/ |
| 08:15.16 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 08:15.50 | Alarm | stable includes too old version of every package included, its not worth actually, it would be more worth to do a netinstall in the case, as with the stable dvd i would need to upgrade anyway every single package |
| 08:16.30 | hark | Alarm: for a desktop, maybe |
| 08:17.03 | Alarm | hark is it ok if i would send u jpg of debian installation ? |
| 08:17.14 | Alarm | would like to show u what i mean with the package selection |
| 08:17.19 | hark | Alarm: yes, you need to install xorg separately. rdepends does not show it here. |
| 08:17.37 | hark | !tasksel |
| 08:17.37 | dpkg | tasksel is probably the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
| 08:17.46 | hark | ah, nm |
| 08:18.10 | Alarm | okie |
| 08:18.31 | hark | Alarm: i got what you were saying. Where you choose between different tasks like Desktop, laptop, dns server etc. right? |
| 08:19.30 | Alarm | correct. i remember in the stable(i am not sure if it was stable or netinstall) there was one more option of manualy selecting packages, which is not included in the testing version, or i have missed something before actually during the installation |
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| 08:19.57 | hark | hmm, not that i am aware off. |
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| 08:20.37 | hark | I've always skipped tasksel and installed what i need manually |
| 08:21.07 | Alarm | http://alarm.kicks-ass.net/ user:alarm pass: rocks |
| 08:21.09 | Alarm | debian.jpg |
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| 08:21.15 | Alarm | is the file that i meant |
| 08:21.24 | peterS | Alarm: well, manual selection is done by running 'aptitude', so I guess the option was removed from the etch installer since anyone who wants that probably knows how to run it anyway |
| 08:21.26 | Alarm | ok, i guess thats what i am going also to do |
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| 08:21.46 | Alarm | kdebase ,kdm , xorg is all i need for the begining |
| 08:22.29 | Fox_1_ | how can I install debian etch from an other partition? in old versions i remember that installer run apt-setup and we could choose ftp, http, cdrom or file system, but in etch it doesn't ask that. |
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| 08:23.38 | christianp_ | hi all |
| 08:24.24 | cydork | Fox_1_: you can manually edit sources.list, as apt-setup is no longer present. |
| 08:24.27 | christianp_ | how can i find the device name of my flatscanner? xsane find the device only if i run it as root, so i need to change permission over the device |
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| 08:24.37 | hark | Alarm: yes, that's the screen |
| 08:25.31 | Coke | I was searching for YAML Python bindings and found python-syck, a package that segfaults and is quite buggy (lacks vital functions to any YAML implementation) while PyYAML is quite stable and YAML 1.1 complete. What is the reason to have python-syck in Etch, but not PyYAML? |
| 08:25.46 | peterS | christianp_: if it's connected via USB, it probably uses /proc/bus/usb rather than an actual device file |
| 08:26.00 | Alarm | would be gtk-qt-engine also required for gtk apps or not ? sorry but i am kind of new in manually installations, till now i was using mostly an automatic installation so i wasnt sure of what packages what installed automatically... |
| 08:26.22 | Fox_1_ | cydork: how? i have not debian installed, yet. I ask about installation proccess. |
| 08:26.22 | peterS | Alarm: gtk-qt-engine would be if you want your Gtk apps to look like Qt apps |
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| 08:26.47 | Alarm | not really, i want the oposide, qt apps to look like gtk :) |
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| 08:27.13 | peterS | Alarm: ahh (: maybe 'kde-style-klearlook' then? |
| 08:27.43 | christianp_ | peterS: in usb i have 001, 002 and devices. Have i to change the permissions of the three files? |
| 08:27.46 | cydork | Fox_1_: if you are installing it, then you can specify the sources at the time of install. check installation guide. |
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| 08:27.59 | Alarm | i will try . its a test installation at the moment actually. i will first see what i could do wrong or what i need and then go for a clean installation |
| 08:27.59 | cydork | christianp_: check http://www.sane-project.org/README.linux |
| 08:28.03 | peterS | christianp_: 001 and 002 are your actual USB devices. 'lsusb' will tell you what they are. |
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| 08:28.13 | Alarm | good. thank you very much once more |
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| 08:29.51 | _rd_ | hi, Im having problems with xsane permissions, it will only run for root user, what do I check? |
| 08:29.59 | peterS | well, more to the point, 001 and 002 are your USB root hubs. but anyway, see the page cydork mentioned, that information looks quite good to me |
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| 08:30.43 | cydork | _rd_: http://www.sane-project.org/README.linux :) |
| 08:30.58 | _rd_ | thanks cdork |
| 08:31.24 | _rd_ | thanks cydork |
| 08:31.38 | xlotlu | ever happened for apt to behave like libc6 dependencies are broken? i.e. pakage: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but it is not going to be installed and that cascading to all the packages? |
| 08:32.43 | Guerin | xlotlu: it means your sources are broken |
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| 08:34.30 | xlotlu | Guerin: then it must've downloaded a messed up rdiff at some point, i set a cron job to apt-get update |
| 08:34.44 | Alarm | well ok, i entered kde, i guess thats what i wanted. thank you :) |
| 08:34.51 | Guerin | xlotlu: no, it likely means you have stable installed and testing in sources |
| 08:35.50 | xlotlu | Guerin: well i have been running stable / testing with testing pinned to a lower priority ... now for a few years. this is the first time it ever happened |
| 08:35.54 | Fox_1_ | cydork: Where here: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en are you see the source specifing? |
| 08:35.58 | Guerin | xlotlu: you lose. |
| 08:36.18 | Guerin | xlotlu: stable and testing don't mix, except for a few short weeks after a release. |
| 08:36.32 | Guerin | xlotlu: now you get to upgrade wholesale to testing, or remove the offending packages |
| 08:36.44 | Guerin | somewhat lucky anything works |
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| 08:38.17 | cydork | Fox_1_: it should be give here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
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| 08:43.17 | Devastator | i did dist-upgrade and now it keep 73 packages on the old version, is there a way to fix? |
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| 08:45.34 | xlotlu | Guerin: i cleaned up the sources lists, re-enabled them, apt-get update-d and it's all fine and dandy now |
| 08:45.55 | Guerin | huh, nifty |
| 08:46.57 | xlotlu | now really, forcing me to upgrade everything and messing dependencies is not the debian i know. that would be errm.. another distro |
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| 08:47.38 | Guerin | well, the error you specified normally happens when you have one C prog upgraded, and libc |
| 08:48.01 | Guerin | which basically means your shit is bust |
| 08:48.10 | xlotlu | i'd expect to hit something like that on a downgrade |
| 08:48.21 | bokey | where's gutenprint package in etch ? |
| 08:48.28 | Guerin | bokey: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:50.42 | pyrohotdog | How do I map the extra keys on my keyboard? |
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| 08:51.58 | Guerin | pyrohotdog: using xmodmap |
| 08:52.07 | Guerin | (in x) |
| 08:52.36 | pyrohotdog | Thanks. :) |
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| 08:54.32 | Alarm | i am trying to change the screen resolution in kde but somehow after applying i still have the same resolution although X restarts |
| 08:55.22 | Alarm | is there any way to try to do that from console to see what errors i get ? |
| 08:55.26 | Adlai | Alarm, are you sure X is restarting? |
| 08:55.35 | Alarm | yes |
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| 08:55.39 | Adlai | also, you can cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:55.44 | Adlai | and see what happened |
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| 08:57.17 | Alarm | sorry, got disc/ed . yes i am sure its restarting |
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| 08:58.45 | sha1sum | hey all. I know sarge debian-installer for netinst doesn't support wlan... does the debian-installer for etch ? |
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| 09:00.18 | hark | it depends on your wireless card.. Which one is it? |
| 09:00.32 | gaza | vao dormi |
| 09:00.44 | gaza | nerds americanos |
| 09:00.45 | gaza | :P |
| 09:01.05 | vlt | Hello. Because of a really large tmp file last night my /var ran out of space. I had to restart some daemons like mysqld or apache. Now I try to restart hplip. hpiod starts fine but hpssd refuses to work "hpssd failed". Any idea what could still be missing here? |
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| 09:03.53 | Devastator | is there a way to enter into X with SSH? |
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| 09:04.16 | Devastator | i need to test the X of a remote machine |
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| 09:04.58 | vlt | Devastator: `ssh -X ...` or `x11vnc -localhost` and ssh tunnel to it. |
| 09:05.48 | Devastator | i'm at windows right now |
| 09:05.49 | sha1sum | Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
| 09:05.53 | sha1sum | sorry took a minute heh |
| 09:06.05 | Devastator | do you know a ssh client that supports X? |
| 09:06.19 | Adlai | sha1sum, don't think so |
| 09:06.22 | Guerin | Devastator: /usr/bin/ssh? |
| 09:06.28 | Guerin | sha1sum: yes, it works |
| 09:06.32 | Adlai | also, are you aware that you've been broken? |
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| 09:07.00 | xingu | ok geniuses is there a tricky way to reverse engineer the cflags a given module was compiled with? |
| 09:07.23 | Guerin | xingu: if it's stripped, I doubt it |
| 09:07.29 | Guerin | xingu: if not, gdb might tell you |
| 09:07.48 | Adlai | xingu, enumerate all possible CFLAGS strings, then compile the module using each |
| 09:07.55 | xingu | issue being that Kbuild no longer logs such things by default |
| 09:07.57 | vlt | Devastator: On win client you could use putty and vncviewer |
| 09:08.08 | Adlai | if you get a module that is binary equal to the one you're looking at, then probably |
| 09:08.12 | Adlai | otherwise, you don't know much |
| 09:08.24 | xingu | mm, figured as much |
| 09:08.31 | Adlai | rather, you don't learn much |
| 09:08.34 | Adlai | you might be quite intelligent |
| 09:08.39 | vlt | Devastator: on the server xvncserver for a 2nd, or x11vnc for a real X session |
| 09:08.43 | xingu | aha! |
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| 09:10.38 | sha1sum | Guerin: sweet thanks for the day-making answer heh :D |
| 09:10.55 | xingu | ... and just as suspected, ARCH=x86_64 hasn't yet learnt about -march=core2 in 2.6.20 |
| 09:10.57 | xingu | how annoying is that |
| 09:11.05 | Fox_1_ | i have three partitions: 1. fat32(with debian etch binary 1 dvd), 2. ext3 (where i want to install debian etch) 3. swap partition. i have not cdrom(dvdrom too) and floppy drive. |
| 09:11.11 | Guerin | sha1sum: ttbomk you need a firmware blob and an evil binary daemon running |
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| 09:11.22 | Guerin | sha1sum: so `works' is perhaps an overstatement |
| 09:11.42 | Fox_1_ | actualy i have 4 partitions in 4 partition i have windows xp |
| 09:12.08 | liable | sha1sum: also check out http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi |
| 09:12.12 | Guerin | Fox_1_: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 09:12.20 | Fox_1_ | how can i make first partition bootable to installation debian in second partition.? |
| 09:12.39 | Guerin | liable: oh, is that the non-daemon one? |
| 09:12.40 | Devastator | vlt so i install x11vnc on linux machine and use what to log in from a windows machine? |
| 09:12.51 | liable | sha1sum: the etch installer wont dettect that card though |
| 09:12.54 | liable | Guerin: ya |
| 09:13.05 | Guerin | Fox_1_: debian just needs the MBR to be bootable. Once that's done grub will read anything. |
| 09:13.05 | liable | uses d80211 too |
| 09:13.13 | Guerin | within certain fairly broad limitations |
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| 09:13.53 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: but i don't want delete windows from computer |
| 09:14.26 | Guerin | Fox_1_: grub can boot windows, and will set it up by default; unlike windows which just nukes the MBR and ignores your other OSen |
| 09:14.43 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: i know, |
| 09:14.53 | Guerin | so ... what's the issue? |
| 09:14.59 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: what does debian.exe do? |
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| 09:15.06 | liable | wtf? |
| 09:15.10 | hark | sha1sum: the netinst wouldn't support the card. Use ethernet or something to install the base and then get the firmware et al for the card. |
| 09:15.13 | Guerin | installs debian? |
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| 09:15.51 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: in that partition which i choose? |
| 09:16.20 | Guerin | Fox_1_: yes. |
| 09:16.45 | tenzing_ | hi ... i have windows on /dev/sda1 and linux / on /dev/sda3 (logical drive).. now .. if i format the windows c drive, will it cause any problem in me booting into linux? |
| 09:17.11 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: it's work computer so i have a lots of information which i must save |
| 09:17.16 | crazy_penguin | Hello! |
| 09:17.30 | Guerin | Fox_1_: then I suggest you make a backup first, since no install process is bullet proof. |
| 09:17.48 | liable | tenzing_: shouldnt, but if you reinstall windows, it will eat the mbr, and thus grub |
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| 09:18.06 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: what does that program want to download? |
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| 09:18.25 | tenzing_ | liable: i dont want to reinstall windows ... i want to convert the win c drive to ext3 |
| 09:18.39 | liable | tenzing_: no problem then |
| 09:18.50 | tenzing_ | liable: thanks |
| 09:19.07 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: and how to say that program to wark with proxy? |
| 09:19.09 | Guerin | Fox_1_: it downloads a minimal bunch of utilities and sets up a system for you to boot to and continue the install. I haven't used it, I'm just going off the many howtois on the interwebs. |
| 09:19.10 | cydork | Fox_1_: the netinstaller for debian. |
| 09:19.29 | Guerin | Fox_1_: debian-installer works with proxies. |
| 09:19.50 | Fox_1_ | i ask about debian.exe |
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| 09:20.08 | Devastator | I have windows and i need to configure a remote X (like kde), how can i configure and test it? |
| 09:20.10 | Guerin | debian.exe is a windows app. If windows works with your proxy, why wouldn't it? |
| 09:20.24 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: i don't knoe |
| 09:20.26 | Fox_1_ | know |
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| 09:21.12 | hark | just use a netinst.. |
| 09:21.29 | Guerin | Fox_1_: answer: it would work. |
| 09:21.48 | Guerin | Fox_1_: http proxies are very old, very standard, and *everything* works with them |
| 09:22.56 | Fox_1_ | you are right. i forget write proxy in IE, i use firefox. now it's write: Error: Unable to open http://people.debian.org/~aba/d-i/images/daily/netboot/debian-installer/amd/linux |
| 09:23.16 | Guerin | tell it to use the proxy |
| 09:23.28 | Guerin | in other words `configure your damn software' |
| 09:24.08 | vlt | Devastator: What are trying to do? Do you want to access a real running X server on the remote linux machine or do you hust want to test an aoolication that needs an X environment? |
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| 09:24.17 | vlt | just* |
| 09:24.24 | vlt | application* |
| 09:24.26 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: why it want to download amd64 version? my computer is intel |
| 09:24.55 | Guerin | Fox_1_: amd64 is for core2duo and things as well. Though all things considered you probably want i386 |
| 09:25.04 | Guerin | unsure if you can change it |
| 09:25.05 | Fox_1_ | Guerin: is there any documentation for debian.exe? |
| 09:25.16 | Guerin | Fox_1_: look at the website. |
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| 09:25.41 | Guerin | it's not as if it does much - just downloads a base system and gives you the option to boot off it |
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| 09:26.36 | hark | saves you a cd |
| 09:28.11 | vlt | Devastator: With `x11vnc -localhost` (and ssh) you can access the real running X, for "emulating" an X server where you can run X applications (like gnome or kde and their programs) and access remotely from your windows machine I would suggest xvncserver (and ssh). |
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| 09:30.29 | hark | !qotd0 |
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| 09:31.59 | Guerin | dpkg: wherefore art thou? |
| 09:32.07 | cydork | !test |
| 09:32.07 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:32.08 | Zap-W | is SAN a concept or a protocol? |
| 09:32.21 | Guerin | Zap-W: it's a stat in Call of Cthulhu |
| 09:32.36 | hark | aw, he ignored me ;( |
| 09:32.40 | Guerin | Zap-W: you lose it if you have to administer MS SQL databases |
| 09:32.51 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 09:32.51 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
| 09:33.08 | Zap-W | Guerin: are you drunk? |
| 09:33.17 | Guerin | Zap-W: no more than usual, why? |
| 09:33.50 | Guerin | Zap-W: my nonsense answer was a subtle way of saying `your question makes no fucking sense, give us some context' |
| 09:33.56 | Devastator | vlt do you have some tutorial to set up all that? |
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| 09:34.13 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:34.27 | cydork | !san |
| 09:34.27 | dpkg | from memory, san is a storage area network or old news with a flashy new name |
| 09:34.39 | Zap-W | Guerin: my question was if SAN a protocol with RFC pages with actual language code.. |
| 09:34.49 | Zap-W | tha tmakes sense? |
| 09:35.04 | Guerin | Zap-W: Not really. |
| 09:35.21 | Guerin | not to me, anyhow |
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| 09:36.20 | Fox_1_ | does debian.exe has command prompt arguments? |
| 09:36.24 | tenzing_ | i formatted /dev/sda1 to ext3 by "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1" but doing a fdisk -l still shows it as NTFS.. |
| 09:36.29 | unix_lappy | lol. |
| 09:36.33 | Guerin | !htfswk Fox_1_ |
| 09:36.33 | dpkg | Fox_1_: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:36.39 | vlt | Devastator: It's easy. Follow the white rabbit ... err ... instructions: |
| 09:36.43 | liable | where did you get this debian.exe? |
| 09:36.54 | Zap-W | it's a virus |
| 09:36.56 | Guerin | tenzing_: fsck -l shows the partition *type*, not the filesystem |
| 09:36.56 | vlt | Devastator: How do you access the remote machine? ssh? |
| 09:36.58 | cydork | liable: goodbye-microsoft.com ;) |
| 09:37.09 | liable | tenzing_: have you rebooted? |
| 09:37.13 | liable | cydork: oh |
| 09:37.18 | tenzing_ | liable: ohh.. do i need to reboot |
| 09:37.22 | liable | is that like deb-takover? |
| 09:37.38 | Guerin | liable: yeah, except apparently it actually works |
| 09:37.44 | Guerin | tenzing_: no. |
| 09:37.44 | cydork | liable: not exactly. it just installs debian from windows. |
| 09:37.53 | Guerin | tenzing_: fdisk will *never* tell you the filesystem. |
| 09:37.55 | liable | tenzing_: i think the kernel only reads the partition table at boot, though i *think* theres a way around it, but cant remember |
| 09:38.07 | cydork | Guerin: deb-takeover worked quite well you know .. |
| 09:38.25 | Guerin | cydork: perhaps that's true *now* |
| 09:38.26 | tenzing_ | liable, Guerin, so a reboot might clear things out |
| 09:38.35 | Devastator | vlt yep |
| 09:38.38 | Guerin | when rel;eased it was quite famously broken, iirc |
| 09:39.07 | Guerin | tenzing_: if a reboot will make you feel better, by all means reboot. |
| 09:39.07 | tenzing_ | liable: actually is my command "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1" correct? |
| 09:39.17 | tenzing_ | Guerin: :) |
| 09:39.33 | Guerin | tenzing_: that command will format the partition with ext3, but will NOT change the partition type. |
| 09:39.51 | liable | tenzing_: i dont do it often enough to know off the top of my head, check the man page |
| 09:39.52 | tenzing_ | Guerin: how do i change the partition type? |
| 09:39.54 | vlt | Devastator: on the remote machine: `aptitude install vncserver` (as root) |
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| 09:40.08 | Guerin | tenzing_: you delete the partition and recreate it with a different type |
| 09:40.15 | Guerin | tenzing_: i recommend cfdisk for this putpose |
| 09:40.17 | Devastator | vlt ok, hold on |
| 09:40.31 | tenzing_ | Guerin: ok ... |
| 09:40.51 | Coke | I have ~/.Xdefaults, yet I have to do a manual xrdb -merge < ~/.Xdefaults every X startup, how can make it automatic? |
| 09:41.11 | Guerin | Coke: put it in .xsession or whatever other startup script |
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| 09:42.25 | Devastator | vlt what's the next step? |
| 09:43.31 | vlt | Devastator: Is your server on the open internet? |
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| 09:44.05 | vlt | Devastator: ... or in a (firewall protected) lan? |
| 09:44.45 | JohnnyST | Hello |
| 09:44.59 | Coke | Guerin: put the xrdb command in .xsession, that is? |
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| 09:45.05 | JohnnyST | Is there some tools to use to recreate deleted partitions? |
| 09:45.14 | vlt | Devastator: I ask because I don't suggest to connect un-encrypted over unsecure channels ... |
| 09:45.32 | JohnnyST | it is now an ntfs partition it was reiserfs before. |
| 09:45.36 | Coke | I keep getting "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." for en_US which is installed on my system, why can't Perl read simple locales? |
| 09:45.47 | JohnnyST | in 3 parations. |
| 09:45.49 | vlt | Devastator: And, btw, what's your ssh client on windows? putty? |
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| 09:46.28 | Devastator | vlt yes! putty |
| 09:46.58 | vlt | JohnnyST: If it was just a deleted partition from the partition table it would be possible. But if you already created a new file system ... I don't think you can recover data. |
| 09:47.09 | Devastator | vlt the server is on the net, it's net a server, it's a friend's box |
| 09:47.22 | byyon | despite having set a static ip for my eth0, i get a new ip fr running dhclient. cna anyone help? |
| 09:47.45 | JohnnyST | vlt I have it mounted and there are no new files on it. |
| 09:47.55 | Devastator | vlt i'm updating for her and i'm afraid that X doesn't starts anymore, she is new on linux |
| 09:47.57 | JohnnyST | So all the data should be there. |
| 09:48.17 | xingu | byyon: change "dhcp" to "static" in /etc/network/interfaces: iface ... inet ..." |
| 09:48.26 | vlt | Devastator: Ok, so I would strongly reccommend to use ssh tunnel to connect to the remote xvnc ... |
| 09:48.34 | Coke | I'm trying to make openoffice load with a different language, it says "according to locale settings", but I've tried changin both LANG and LANGUAGE, what am I missing? What locale setting are they referring to? |
| 09:48.39 | xingu | byyon: ie, don't run dhcp at all |
| 09:48.54 | vlt | Devastator: On the remote server run `vncserver` (as a user). |
| 09:49.08 | vlt | Devastator: set a good password when asked to |
| 09:49.13 | byyon | xingyu, i am running fr commandline, i never exec dhcp. |
| 09:49.16 | JohnnyST | vlt i did an less -f /dev/hdc1 and I can scroll and se text about reiserfs at some plases. |
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| 09:50.26 | Devastator | vlt is there a way to certify that X is initializing on startup? or leave kdm already started on her screen? |
| 09:50.33 | xingu | byyon: if you have "dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces "iface ... inet ..." line then ifup is running dhcp for you. |
| 09:50.35 | vlt | JohnnyST: Yes, you can dump the raw data that still exists on the device and use what's usable. But I don't think you can restore the most important part: The reiserfs file system table. |
| 09:50.41 | liable | byyon: something has started it, and as xingu said, its prolly in ifaces file |
| 09:50.41 | Coke | What does the LANG and LANGUAGE variables do anyway? |
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| 09:51.27 | vlt | Coke: Tell your application which charset 8and other things) you use. |
| 09:52.12 | tenzing_ | liable: now i want to mount that partition in a folder in my home dir .. how do i do that so that it is mounted automatically when i boot my comp |
| 09:52.20 | byyon | xingyu, liable, i checked, don't have that line in /etc/..interfaces. |
| 09:52.40 | liable | tenzing_: from fstab, man mount, man fstab |
| 09:52.43 | byyon | let me check the processes to see if dhcp is alive. |
| 09:53.08 | vlt|afk | brb |
| 09:54.33 | byyon | xingyu, liable, there is a dhclient process. that may be becos i had been executing the command. |
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| 09:55.41 | byyon | xingu, liable, have you used the utility network-admin before? i use it to set my eth0. does it start dhcp automatically? |
| 09:56.04 | liable | no idea, i only use ifaces a wpa-supp |
| 09:56.09 | liable | and* |
| 09:56.10 | JohnnyST | vlt ok. |
| 09:56.44 | byyon | liable, dhcp and dhclient related? |
| 09:57.37 | liable | byyon: yes, its the dhcp .. um .. client :) |
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| 09:58.37 | byyon | xingu, that only config the device. you still need to initiate the connection with dhclient? |
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| 09:59.11 | vlt | Devastator: Now the remote machine should listen on tcp port 590y for incoming connections. "y" should be 0 by default. You can verify this: `netstat -tulpen | grep 590`. |
| 09:59.23 | xingu | byyon: I don't, no. |
| 10:00.06 | xingu | byyon: I'm a big believer in good records and determinism - my networking tends to stay nailed up just the way I nailed it. |
| 10:00.13 | byyon | xingu, you do it in /etc..interfaces, that cause it to start connection fr boot. |
| 10:00.22 | xingu | yes, exactly. |
| 10:00.25 | vlt | Devastator: Now you __could__ connect with a vncviewer tool to that machine. You can download one from http://www.realvnc.com/ |
| 10:00.31 | xingu | but I don't use dhcp |
| 10:00.50 | vlt | Devastator: Go to "download it now", choose "free edition", ... |
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| 10:01.07 | vlt | Devastator: ... you don't have to enter your personal data ... |
| 10:01.20 | vlt | Devastator: "proceed to download" |
| 10:01.39 | byyon | xingu, i'll have to try it this way too. so, i don't need any iface line with dhcp, and that will be safe. right? |
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| 10:01.41 | vlt | Devastator: #5 is "VNC Free Edition Viewer for Windows". |
| 10:01.52 | vlt | Devastator: take the exe or zip |
| 10:02.06 | xingu | byyon: exactly so, this is precisely what the static method is for |
| 10:02.20 | byyon | xingu, k, bye. |
| 10:02.51 | vlt | Devastator: But connecting directly to the remote machine's port 5900 would be a plain unencrypted connection. |
| 10:03.06 | vlt | Devastator: So please set up an ssh tunnel. |
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| 10:03.56 | vlt | Devastator: If you use a recent version of putty you can right click on the putty tab, "change settings" ... |
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| 10:04.06 | concept10 | Im sick of packaging on Linux. Why cant apt take these bloody libraries that I dont need away when removing an application? |
| 10:04.13 | vlt | Devastator: "connection -> ssh -> tunnels" |
| 10:04.16 | eshaase | dude, is this sexy or wut: http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~ehaase/files/screenshot2.png |
| 10:05.33 | xingu | concept10: apt-get depends + deborphan? |
| 10:05.40 | xingu | err, apt-cache depends |
| 10:05.45 | vlt | Devastator: "source port: 5900" or any other free port on _your_ machine |
| 10:06.32 | concept10 | eshaase, is that WM stable? |
| 10:06.46 | vlt | Devastator: "destination: localhost:5900" Yes, "localhost". It's the remote machine's localhost. If the remote vncserver listens to another port than 5900 modify it here. |
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| 10:06.59 | vlt | Devastator: Then click "apply" |
| 10:07.12 | _StefanS_ | hi there |
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| 10:07.39 | _StefanS_ | anyone know how to make Xterm settings like background, font, and size stick in debian (the correct way) ? |
| 10:07.43 | Devastator | vlt i think it's working! but is there a way to open a X session on her's monitor? |
| 10:08.34 | _StefanS_ | ah I must be blind |
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| 10:08.52 | _StefanS_ | sorry, found it myself. |
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| 10:09.35 | eshaase | concept10: yep |
| 10:09.42 | vlt | Devastator: Therefore you need the other tool that accesses a _real_ X session: x11vnc ;-)= |
| 10:09.53 | eshaase | concept10: it actually crashed a few times when i had a boat load of applets up but it recovers gracefully |
| 10:09.56 | cydork | eshaase: e17? |
| 10:10.00 | vlt | Devastator: `aptitude install x11vnc` |
| 10:10.03 | eshaase | cydork: yeah |
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| 10:10.11 | cydork | eshaase: have you tried engage? |
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| 10:10.45 | eshaase | cydork: is that e's version of gnome-applet? |
| 10:11.03 | vlt | Devastator: Then run `x11vnc` (as her!) |
| 10:11.14 | liable | has he released e17 yet? |
| 10:11.27 | Devastator | vlt then it will open on her's monitor? |
| 10:11.28 | vlt | Devastator: as root: `su her_username` |
| 10:11.30 | cydork | eshaase: not exactly it's more like a os X dock, it's great but was not stable when i tried it. |
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| 10:11.41 | eshaase | cydork: i don't think i've used it |
| 10:11.51 | vlt | Devastator: It will try to access a running X ... |
| 10:11.52 | eshaase | cydork: i've used whatever is the default panel program |
| 10:12.18 | concept10 | eshaase, what version do you have istalled? |
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| 10:12.25 | cydork | eshaase: http://www.enlightenment.org/Applications/Engage/ |
| 10:12.25 | vlt | Devastator: Does it run? Does she see the kdm login screen (on vt7)? |
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| 10:12.33 | iwkse | hi all. Everytime i start gnome i can't use audio cause alsa is busy.. so i run alsaconf and everything it's ok. But when i boot i get again the same error..any help? |
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| 10:12.59 | liable | iwkse: have you got something plugged into the machine?? |
| 10:13.09 | Devastator | vlt if i open the vncserver as root will appear at her monitor? i'm concerned about she has limited knownledge about terminals and stuff, and she's sleeping hehhehe |
| 10:13.13 | eshaase | cydork: hmm, i'll check it out, thanks |
| 10:13.16 | iwkse | liable: no, its still the same |
| 10:13.22 | Devastator | vlt i need to at least leave her a message |
| 10:13.23 | cydork | iwkse: gnome runs esd by default, that might be causing that. |
| 10:13.24 | iwkse | liable: its a pci card |
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| 10:13.39 | liable | iwkse: no headsets or shit plugged into it? |
| 10:13.50 | iwkse | cydork: i see..but in preferred sound i choice alsa not esd |
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| 10:13.55 | utrrrongeeb | iwkse: Could it be that the GNOME Sound Server is enabled, and running alsaconf restarts ALSA, shutting it off? |
| 10:13.56 | iwkse | liable: no |
| 10:14.12 | iwkse | utrrrongeeb: thats possible.. |
| 10:14.24 | hark | iwkse: check if it's set somewhere in Desktop-->Preferences-->Multimedia or something |
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| 10:14.54 | hark | iwkse: or use lsof/fuser on /dev/snd/* and find what is using the card |
| 10:15.11 | iwkse | ah..found it |
| 10:15.11 | cydork | liable: nope e17 is not released yet :) |
| 10:15.19 | iwkse | it was enable ESD sound mixing |
| 10:15.20 | liable | still |
| 10:15.21 | concept10 | eshaase, what version are you using? |
| 10:15.27 | cydork | liable: yep. |
| 10:15.39 | hark | esd is evil! |
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| 10:15.53 | vlt | Devastator: if you run `vncserver` nothing will happen on her monitor. vncserver emulates its own X server (w/o accessing local hardware like vga, kbd or mouse) |
| 10:15.53 | iwkse | eheh |
| 10:16.01 | liable | it must have been a year ago i tried it, and it should have been released then |
| 10:17.01 | vlt | Devastator: If you want to know if her kdm login is running you need to access via a "-vewonly" vncviewer to an x11vnc. |
| 10:17.20 | Devastator | vlt got it |
| 10:17.29 | vlt | Devastator: The "-viewonly" assures that nothing will move or wake up (on her screen) |
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| 10:18.05 | telmich | hello! which program rotates /var/log/mail.*? I am wondering because it looks like it is NOT logrotate |
| 10:18.29 | vlt | btw: I solved my hplip problem: I had to delete /var/run/hpssd.* |
| 10:19.15 | Devastator | vlt so, to wake her up, i doesn't need "-viewonly" right? |
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| 10:20.37 | vlt | Devastator: If you omit "-viewonly" on x11vnc and then conect via vncviewer you can move her mouse, type her keyboard and all the other funny things ... |
| 10:21.37 | Devastator | vlt so, can i leave a message? hehehe nice! |
| 10:22.13 | vlt | Devastator: There are some other tools to "leave messages" on running X sessions. But this one should work easily ... ;-) |
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| 10:22.48 | Devastator | vlt i hate debian-based distros =( |
| 10:23.25 | Devastator | i spent all my evening updating this system and i don't know if it will startup smooth |
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| 10:23.36 | vlt | Devastator: you hate _debian_ based or debian _based_ distros? |
| 10:23.53 | Devastator | distros |
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| 10:24.21 | vlt | Devastator: So she'd running kubuntu, right? |
| 10:24.21 | Devastator | or it's debian, or it's nothing, that's what i think |
| 10:24.27 | vlt | she's* |
| 10:24.36 | Devastator | vlt kurumin, a brazilian distro |
| 10:24.47 | Devastator | sucks reeeeeally hard |
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| 10:24.55 | Gnea | okay, everytime i play tremulous or freecraft or any GL-enabled game on my debian sid system with nvidia card, it finds a way to hardlock the system - kernel has sysrq builtin and even that can't do anything |
| 10:25.30 | hark | telmich: must be sysklogd, anyway check your cron.daily i guess |
| 10:25.36 | xingu | Gnea: nvidia-kernel-source version is? |
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| 10:26.05 | Gnea | 1.0.8776-4 |
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| 10:26.33 | Gnea | xingu: i have a compiled 2.6.18 on there too - it's all .deb-packaged |
| 10:27.09 | xingu | Gnea: would suggest you try nvagp 0, composite disabled, and 9746 from experimental. |
| 10:27.10 | no-remorse | running sarge can only get 800x600 with an ATI 9700 pro any ideas? |
| 10:27.26 | xingu | Gnea: i386 or amd64? |
| 10:27.31 | no-remorse | 386 |
| 10:27.32 | Gnea | i386 |
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| 10:27.50 | hark | !drxx no-remorse |
| 10:27.51 | dpkg | no-remorse: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:27.52 | xingu | Gnea: also add nmi_watchdog=1 to boot args |
| 10:27.58 | Gnea | xingu: it's an amd sempron, to be precise |
| 10:28.08 | Devastator | vlt where are you from? |
| 10:28.14 | xingu | Gnea: it's falls under the general category of lamp rubbing, but that'd be what I'd do in your shoes. |
| 10:28.19 | no-remorse | hark i have already done that |
| 10:28.28 | Gnea | xingu: ok cool, i'll get back to ya in a bit :) |
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| 10:28.33 | no-remorse | i am back to square one |
| 10:28.43 | Viroo | how can I "flush" the cache ? |
| 10:28.53 | vlt | Devastator: de |
| 10:28.59 | hark | no-remorse: check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see why |
| 10:29.14 | vlt | Devastator: (11:29 am here) |
| 10:29.15 | Viroo | anyone knows howto flush the cache ? |
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| 10:29.28 | Gnea | Viroo: what cache? |
| 10:29.30 | hark | what cache? |
| 10:29.39 | vlt | Viroo: wha ... |
| 10:29.41 | vlt | ok |
| 10:29.48 | Gnea | if i flushed my cash, i'd be high as a muthafuckah |
| 10:29.49 | Devastator | vlt i'm just curious, how the telephone bill works on de? |
| 10:29.59 | Viroo | the active cache |
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| 10:30.10 | Viroo | when u launch a prog it is cached |
| 10:30.12 | Gnea | Viroo: WHAT active cache? |
| 10:30.16 | hark | heh |
| 10:30.20 | vlt | Devastator: What do you mean? |
| 10:30.24 | Gnea | oh, in memory? as in, ram? |
| 10:30.30 | Viroo | yeah |
| 10:30.37 | Gnea | because there are also route caches, arp caches, and other caches |
| 10:30.46 | Gnea | and caches of caches |
| 10:30.53 | Viroo | ok i wa sgona ask about the networking cache too |
| 10:30.54 | Devastator | vlt because here we pay per minute, like a fixed price for X minutes and another price for additional minutes |
| 10:30.57 | Viroo | how to do all of that |
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| 10:31.19 | Gnea | ok, to flush the memory cache is simple: reboot |
| 10:31.21 | Viroo | like dns cache, |
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| 10:31.30 | xingu | Viroo: for vm - ... src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt: drop_caches |
| 10:31.31 | Viroo | no no i dont want to reboot |
| 10:31.42 | cydork | Viroo: dns cache is flushed when you restart dns . |
| 10:31.55 | Gnea | i usually just start stopping or restarting programs then |
| 10:32.27 | tenzing_ | hi .. can i install debian on a apple computer? |
| 10:32.41 | Gnea | Viroo: take a look at what's running - usually if a memory-intensive program is run, and then it's stopped, parts of that program will remain in memory for a certain amount of time to enable faster loading again |
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| 10:32.49 | cydork | tenzing_: yes. |
| 10:32.51 | xingu | Viroo: specifically, "sync; sync; sync; echo 3 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" |
| 10:32.52 | Gnea | tenzing_: which one? |
| 10:33.12 | Gnea | *floor* |
| 10:33.24 | tenzing_ | Gnea: hmm ... i dont know ... its a frens computer .... she wants to install debian on it |
| 10:33.34 | Viroo | Gnea i know.. the reason for caching.. but sometimes I like to flush it to have a state that resebles when i reboot |
| 10:33.37 | Gnea | tenzing_: find out. |
| 10:34.00 | tenzing_ | cydork, Gnea: so i use a debian iso for mac ?? |
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| 10:34.17 | Gnea | tenzing_: again, find out what sort of mac she has first. |
| 10:34.50 | Viroo | is vm virtual memory ? |
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| 10:34.58 | Gnea | yeah |
| 10:34.59 | cydork | tenzing_: if it's ppc you can check http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 10:35.01 | Viroo | ok |
| 10:35.06 | utrrrongeeb | tenzing: Is it Intel based or not? |
| 10:35.33 | hark | or how old is it..? |
| 10:35.42 | tenzing_ | Gnea, utrrrongeeb, its sort of old... i dont think it will be intel-based |
| 10:35.52 | Gnea | tenzing_: just ask her :) |
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| 10:36.04 | vlt | Devastator: Depends on the provider and the packet you chose. You can pay per minute or even second. But you can also pay like 10 EUR per month and all your pots/pstn connections are included. There are similar offers from mobile providers so you can talk within a mobile net (there are four here in Germany) for free ... |
| 10:36.16 | tenzing_ | Gnea: is there soemthing like g-series ?? |
| 10:36.30 | tenzing_ | apple g-series?? |
| 10:36.33 | Gnea | like |
| 10:36.36 | Gnea | the g3, g4? |
| 10:36.40 | freebse | hi is ndiswrapper on the 1st CD of the last stable release, I need to install from CD untill I have an internet connection via ndiswrapper |
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| 10:36.48 | utrrrongeeb | tenzing: Then look at cydork's post above, with the link. |
| 10:36.50 | Gnea | yeah.. uh, those are the most common macs today |
| 10:36.51 | freebse | or do I have to make my own CD |
| 10:36.55 | tenzing_ | Gnea: ok .. got it .. its g3 |
| 10:37.02 | Devastator | vlt mobile phone or "domestic" phone? |
| 10:37.17 | Gnea | tenzing_: ok, it's proabably a powerpc-based then |
| 10:37.24 | tenzing_ | Gnea: so now that we know what we have... how do we proceed to install debian on it? |
| 10:37.25 | freebse | got it |
| 10:37.32 | cydork | tenzing_: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
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| 10:38.13 | Harzilein | hi there |
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| 10:38.25 | tenzing_ | thanks Gnea, cydork |
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| 10:38.41 | vlt | Devastator: pots (plain old telephony service) or pstn (public switched telephone net???) is the "domestic" phone ;-) |
| 10:38.47 | Harzilein | i wonder why bash is considerend essential when i have ksh installed |
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| 10:39.56 | utrrrongeeb | Harzilein: Because a lot of shell scripts use Bash to interpret them, for one. |
| 10:39.57 | hark | it's not afaik.. |
| 10:40.11 | Devastator | vlt sorry, i forgot that you live in a first world country hauehaueha you are a happy man =D |
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| 10:40.18 | Harzilein | utrrrongeeb: well, i can care about _my own_ shellscripts, and debian really should reconsider |
| 10:41.01 | utrrrongeeb | Harzilein: What do you mean? |
| 10:41.30 | hark | some apps may depend on it however.. |
| 10:42.01 | Harzilein | hark: like i said, the packages that get deinstalled when i deinstall bash get listed. those are core debian packages, no "apps" |
| 10:42.22 | Harzilein | hark: of course getting rid of bash being essential might expose some apps |
| 10:42.23 | xingu | pots is datalink+physical, describes a typical two-wire 48v DC service (w/ 88v@20Hz AC ring signal) |
| 10:42.27 | Devastator | vlt echo $DISPLAY returns nothing =( i'm dead |
| 10:42.34 | xingu | pstn is an application that can run over it. |
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| 10:43.45 | utrrrongeeb | Harzilein: Why do you want to remove bash? |
| 10:43.46 | Harzilein | utrrrongeeb: because i already have a perfectly fine ksh |
| 10:43.54 | Harzilein | utrrrongeeb: it was really just an experiment |
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| 10:44.04 | hark | hmm, for me it just removes deborphan, foomatic-filters and hplip.. |
| 10:44.27 | Harzilein | here it removes the kernel-images and initrd-tools |
| 10:44.45 | Harzilein | (and deborphan) |
| 10:44.50 | vlt | xingu: Thank you. Maybe I can look it up in wikipedia soon ;-) |
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| 10:44.57 | xingu | Harzilein: afaik init scripts are bash based - it's a policy choice, too bad. |
| 10:44.59 | utrrrongeeb | Harzilein: As you saw when trying to remove it, bash is depended on by a fair bit of software, and is usually needed to run some shell scripts. |
| 10:45.37 | Harzilein | utrrrongeeb: could you get out off looking-down-explaining-to-the-newbie-mode please? |
| 10:46.34 | utrrrongeeb | Harzilein: Okay, sorry about that. |
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| 10:47.25 | Harzilein | xingu: ok, i think it is a bad choice then. i can understand the need for "more than just sh", but most bashisms are kshisms too... |
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| 10:47.52 | vlt | Devastator: Why? AFAIK $DISPLAY is only defined _in_ a running X session. So in your ssh shell it should be empty. |
| 10:48.13 | xingu | Harzilein: I think it's a more pragmatic rationalisation than that; the more sh variants you allow to provide the dependancy, the wider your test matrix has to be |
| 10:48.20 | Devastator | vlt x11vnc couldn't initialize a X |
| 10:48.31 | xingu | Harzilein: less fragile to just pick one and use it. |
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| 10:49.33 | vlt | Devastator: What does `ps ax | grep X` return? |
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| 10:50.02 | Zvpun | The Debian FAQ says, I can hold a package with aptitude hold package_name |
| 10:50.10 | dimir | ye. |
| 10:50.29 | Zvpun | That doesnt work for me, when I try it i get " 179 to remove ... continue" and I abort |
| 10:50.50 | Zvpun | aptitude says: "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:" |
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| 10:50.56 | Devastator | vlt 6054 tty7 S<s+ 0:01 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-BQV2gL |
| 10:50.57 | Zvpun | But i DO use them |
| 10:51.10 | vlt | Devastator: So it's running |
| 10:51.34 | vlt | Devastator: Is she logged in? |
| 10:51.40 | vlt | Devastator: `w` |
| 10:51.41 | dimir | Zvpun: try fixing your database by: apt-get -f install |
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| 10:51.47 | dimir | first |
| 10:51.48 | Devastator | vlt nope |
| 10:51.51 | Devastator | vlt *** x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0", it cannot continue. |
| 10:52.07 | vlt | Devastator: Then run `x11vnc` as root |
| 10:52.19 | Devastator | i am as root |
| 10:52.19 | Zvpun | dimir: Ok, I did that, nothing happend. |
| 10:52.22 | vlt | Devastator: Because that X session is still "owned" by root |
| 10:53.00 | xingu | besides, pdksh != ksh. :) |
| 10:53.02 | Zvpun | dimir: I dont know why aptitude thinks these packages are unused, but I want the hold first. |
| 10:53.12 | vlt | Devastator: hmmm |
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| 10:54.14 | vlt | Devastator: try `x11vnc -display :0` |
| 10:54.45 | vlt | Devastator: The last line should tell you the port (5900) when successful |
| 10:55.21 | Zvpun | Is there a differenc between hold a package and pin? What is hold then? |
| 10:55.31 | Devastator | vlt nothing =( |
| 10:55.38 | xingu | Harzilein: my favourite pdksh bug - echo a b | read foo bar && echo $foo $bar |
| 10:55.48 | Harzilein | xingu: i am not talking pdksh |
| 10:55.51 | xingu | Harzilein: should print "a b\n" and doesn't |
| 10:55.54 | vlt | Devastator: wtf? |
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| 10:55.58 | Harzilein | xingu: i mean ksh, it is free now |
| 10:56.07 | xingu | Harzilein: oh, fair enough |
| 10:56.49 | vlt | Devastator: Can you try :1 - :6 (for fun)? |
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| 10:57.49 | xingu | Harzilein: pity it wasn't back in '00, this wouldve saved me a good chunk of time |
| 10:58.13 | Devastator | vlt yes! |
| 10:58.14 | Harzilein | xingu: i wonder if this behaviour or the other is defined in posix/sus |
| 10:58.23 | vlt | Devastator: On :6? |
| 10:58.41 | karsten | Zvpun: a hold says "don't upgrade". A pin specifies a preferred release of a package (you can mix Debian releases, somewhat, using pinning, but still have to be very careful). |
| 10:58.43 | xingu | Harzilein: hah; a good chunk of defined behaviour is defined from sysvsh/ksh, not the other way around. :) |
| 10:59.07 | Devastator | vlt :1 no, :2 testing |
| 10:59.09 | Zvpun | karsten: Ok I want hold then, I have rebuild gnuplot and dont want it to be upgraded. |
| 10:59.16 | Harzilein | xingu: i know |
| 10:59.17 | Devastator | vlt :1 no, :2 no, 3: testing |
| 10:59.25 | vlt | Devastator: I remember trying for hours to access one of our thin clients here ... 'til I found out X was runing on :6 |
| 10:59.33 | Gnea | xingu: ok, rebooted.... Testing NMI watchdog ... CPU#0: NMI appears to be stuck (0->0)! |
| 10:59.45 | karsten | Zvpun: equivs |
| 10:59.47 | Gnea | xingu: is that normal? |
| 10:59.49 | karsten | !equivs |
| 10:59.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 10:59.55 | xingu | Harzilein: that quirk can be a handy way of working out if your script has been sourced into the wrong sh interpreter. :) |
| 11:00.28 | xingu | Gnea: no, that sounds a bit evil; is there a newer bios for your board? |
| 11:00.56 | Zvpun | karsten: whats wrong with building my own version (with own version-number) and put it on hold? |
| 11:01.01 | Gnea | xingu: it's been about a year since i checked... not sure if i remember what board i have lol...sec |
| 11:01.18 | Gnea | xingu: well, i'm gonna play some freecraft for now and see what happens |
| 11:01.41 | Zvpun | karsten: I build a deb package from apt-get source gnuplot, I dont think I want equivs, do I? |
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| 11:03.03 | Zvpun | Is there a config file, that I can edit, to add a hold for my gnuplot package? |
| 11:03.46 | xingu | Zvpun: echo "gnuplot hold" | dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 11:03.55 | hark | !hold |
| 11:03.55 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 11:04.19 | hark | er.. |
| 11:04.24 | Zvpun | Thank you |
| 11:05.18 | Solak | Hello. |
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| 11:05.59 | Devastator | vlt i've killed X and entered /etc/init.d/kdm restart, but when i type ps ax | grep X, there is no X process, how do i start it? |
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| 11:07.01 | vlt | Devastator: `/etc/init.d/kdm restart` shoulf work (if everything is fine) |
| 11:07.08 | vlt | should* |
| 11:08.00 | Devastator | vlt i think it's not, is there a way to generate a simple xorg.conf? like XFree -configure....? |
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| 11:08.45 | vlt | Devastator: backup the current xorg.conf and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xyz |
| 11:08.47 | Suprano | when starting vlc or amarok they both segfault. |
| 11:08.55 | vlt | Devastator: Is it xserver-xorg or xfree86? |
| 11:09.28 | Devastator | vlt xserver-xorg |
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| 11:09.46 | vlt | Devastator: backup the current xorg.conf and run `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` ;-) |
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| 11:10.49 | capiira | hmm hi, whats the difference between the directories /lib and usr/lib or between /etc and /usr/etc ...? |
| 11:10.55 | Warsaw- | is the etch installer supposed to be different from sarge 3.1r4 ? |
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| 11:12.01 | liable | /usr/etc? |
| 11:12.19 | capiira | ups bin i mean |
| 11:12.29 | liable | Warsaw-: yes, newer kernel, apps, and it has a graphical bit |
| 11:12.57 | Gnea | xingu: hrm, there's a slight performance increase by turning off nvagp |
| 11:13.09 | hark | !googlesmite capiira |
| 11:13.14 | hark | heh |
| 11:13.21 | capiira | there exist a few of such doubled directories and i would like to understand why |
| 11:13.23 | capiira | i did |
| 11:14.00 | xingu | capiira: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html |
| 11:14.06 | capiira | i just find things like in etc is configuration files and in usr/etc too |
| 11:15.33 | liable | capiira: what program files do you have in /usr/etc?? |
| 11:15.50 | capiira | thx xingu thats nice |
| 11:15.57 | capiira | just a standard debian etch isntall |
| 11:16.22 | liable | i have never seen /usr/etc |
| 11:17.07 | Zap-W | bananas with cheese bananas with cheese bananas with cheese !! |
| 11:17.56 | xingu | heh, fhs doesn't include sysfs |
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| 11:19.41 | capiira | hehe just have a old debian book with usr/etc in the directory structure |
| 11:19.48 | liable | !bananasmite Zap-W |
| 11:19.49 | xingu | must be site local |
| 11:19.52 | capiira | from 2001 |
| 11:19.53 | liable | meh |
| 11:20.01 | xingu | my guess is a botched configure prefix=/usr |
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| 11:20.39 | Devastator | vlt i think i found the problem, there is no startkde |
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| 11:28.39 | Fox_1_ | during the debian etch install, I set default network card and configure network(IP, gateway, dns). after installation, as you know debian etch doesn't restart the computer, the network and internet works. But when I restart the computer it's show ethernet connection in ifconfig, with right settings, but when I ping to my gateway it's write "Destination host unreachable". After that I have... |
| 11:28.40 | Fox_1_ | ...tried to install once more. And again after installation it's work, after restart didn't. can you help me to solve this problem? |
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| 11:31.07 | bzed | Fox_1_: there's no need to reinstall a linux system because of such problems... that'll help in windows, but in linux you usually don;t even need to restart |
| 11:31.55 | liable | Fox_1_: does ifconfig show the connection has an adress? does it say its up and rnning? |
| 11:32.07 | Fox_1_ | bzed: i've tried restart, up/down interface, reconfigure interface. didn't help |
| 11:32.17 | Fox_1_ | liable: yes |
| 11:32.27 | bzed | Fox_1_: what's the output of route -n |
| 11:32.37 | bzed | Fox_1_: paste it in a pastebin please |
| 11:33.05 | liable | bit hard with no net :P |
| 11:33.17 | Fox_1_ | :) yes |
| 11:33.23 | liable | type it |
| 11:33.29 | bzed | well, type it in a pastebin ;) |
| 11:33.44 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 11:34.00 | Fox_1_ | can you type pastebin utl |
| 11:34.03 | Fox_1_ | utl=url |
| 11:34.12 | bzed | !tell Fox_1_ about pastebin |
| 11:36.20 | milez | hey guys |
| 11:36.38 | milez | any word on recent hanging problems with apache2 in unstable? |
| 11:37.02 | Coke | Does SVN have a simple, local solution (like CVS), that I can just install and use with the local filesystem? |
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| 11:37.15 | cydork | milez: yes one word! unstable :P |
| 11:37.24 | bzed | Fox_1_: also please run ifconfig and add the values for inet addr:, Bcast: and Mask: to your pastebin |
| 11:37.33 | xingu | a ping of a default gateway returning unreachable means that arp, isn't. |
| 11:37.34 | milez | cydork, i wonder if i'm going to hear anything other than that here |
| 11:37.48 | bzed | xingu: not neccessarily |
| 11:37.57 | Fox_1_ | bzed: ok |
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| 11:38.09 | liable | milez: unlikely, check bts, if your lucky peterS might know something if hes awake |
| 11:38.29 | bzed | Coke: yeah, create a svn-rep with svnadmin and use file://youpath/... as url for svn |
| 11:38.32 | milez | danke |
| 11:38.46 | xingu | bzed: the other failure modes would return no route to host? |
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| 11:40.07 | liable | Fox_1_: you entered static ip for the debian box?? |
| 11:40.15 | Fox_1_ | yes |
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| 11:40.59 | bzed | xingu: not if you drop packages with iptables or your switch/firewal/... does some weird stuff inbetween |
| 11:41.44 | bzed | Coke: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Subversion << ignore the gentoo part and read the rest of the howto ;) |
| 11:41.58 | xingu | yeah ok, so if you point both muzzles at your feet and pull the trigger your walking is going to get a little odd |
| 11:42.26 | xingu | but for a stock install where ping of gateway works at install time and not after first reboot... |
| 11:43.25 | liable | xingu: i'm confused, what are you suggesting is the problem? |
| 11:43.31 | bzed | xingu: we'll have a look at the network config and then we'll see :) |
| 11:44.12 | xingu | liable: I'm suggesting that unreachable is in fact arp failure propagating up stack; why it's failing, might be kernel related; install kernel != installed kernel |
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| 11:44.56 | bzed | xingu: with etch the installed kernel is usually > than the install kernel, and if the interface is up, I doubt a broken kernel is the problem |
| 11:45.10 | xingu | I'm not in any way disputing the need to get more data, don't get me wrong |
| 11:45.24 | xingu | I'm just picking the most likely failure mode as I see it |
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| 11:45.41 | bzed | what I could imagine is that this stupid eth over firewire interface jumped inbetween |
| 11:45.52 | xingu | gotcha. |
| 11:45.59 | bzed | but in theory debian's udev should rename the interfaces in a proper way |
| 11:46.00 | GeorgeS069 | good morning |
| 11:46.40 | bzed | no clue |
| 11:47.00 | bzed | but usually eth1394 doesn;t work at all, or there's nothign connected to the other end ;) |
| 11:47.47 | xingu | it'd be really bad if eth1394 didn't modprobe at install time leaving you with a config for installer-eth0-really-ethernet binding to installed-eth0-whoops-its-eth1394 |
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| 11:48.23 | xingu | the devnames are persistent but I think the relevent /etc/udev/ rules file is only updated after the reboot |
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| 11:49.36 | Fox_1_ | pastebin don't work |
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| 11:49.41 | tenzin_ | i want /dev/sda1(ext3) to /home/tenzin/work in rw mode .... but i could not ... please help |
| 11:49.42 | bzed | xingu: i never really looked into that because as soon as I have a system installed I dump a homebuild kernel on it |
| 11:49.48 | xingu | maybe the installer should just assume that what you want to do is create a bridge group from all ethernet ecaps interfaces and layer IP on top of the bridge |
| 11:49.51 | bzed | Fox_1_: what does not work? |
| 11:50.22 | xingu | then it wouldn't matter - one IP address to rule them all, one bridge group to bind them. |
| 11:50.38 | tenzin_ | i want to mount /dev/sda1(ext3) to /home/tenzin/work in rw mode automatically when i boot the computer .... but i could not ... please help |
| 11:50.58 | bzed | tenzin_: no panix |
| 11:51.09 | bzed | you're not alone here |
| 11:51.37 | xingu | tenzin_: is sda1 removable media (usb key)? or hdd? |
| 11:51.50 | tenzin_ | xingu: hdd |
| 11:52.09 | xingu | tenzin_: take a copy of, and then edit /etc/fstab |
| 11:52.32 | xingu | tenzin_: be careful; if that file is botched you will have big problems booting up. |
| 11:53.29 | tenzin_ | xingu: i put this line in fstab " /dev/sdb1 /media/usb1 auto rw,user,auto 0 0" . it gets mounted but only root can read / write files in it |
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| 11:53.51 | tenzin_ | its /dev/sda1 and /home/tenzin/work |
| 11:53.59 | _joey | people, where should I read on how to create Sun's java deb package? |
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| 11:54.24 | _joey | !java |
| 11:54.24 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 11:54.30 | bzed | tenzin_: http://pastebin.ca/355292 |
| 11:54.51 | xingu | tenzin_: just use chmod on /home/tenzin/work after it is mounted |
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| 11:54.58 | liable | _joey: its packaged now, unless you have sarge |
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| 11:55.06 | sts | hello folks |
| 11:55.08 | _joey | sarge it is |
| 11:55.13 | xingu | tenzin_: chmod/chown on the root directory of a filesystem is persistent - its stored in the filesystem |
| 11:55.16 | _joey | liable packaged with what? |
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| 11:55.22 | _joey | !install java |
| 11:55.22 | dpkg | i heard install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 11:55.23 | liable | _joey: /msg dpkg install java |
| 11:55.39 | bzed | _joey: http://pastebin.ca/355293 << my installed packages |
| 11:55.56 | liable | _joey: please use /msg dpkg to save us the spam in the channel :) |
| 11:56.08 | _joey | oki doki:) |
| 11:56.27 | sts | i encountered troubles using scponlyc on my server. can anybody help me? connecting via winscp results in: Connection has been unexpectedly closed. Server sent command exit status 1. |
| 11:56.28 | cydork | _joey: there is sun java available for sarge in backports.org |
| 11:56.36 | stoned | Azar: ok |
| 11:57.10 | tenzin_ | xingu: once i mount in /home/tenzin/work the dirs own and grp changes to root |
| 11:57.38 | xingu | tenzin_: in that case I don't think the filesystem is ext3; I think it's vfat |
| 11:57.51 | xingu | tenzin_: what does grep dev/sdb1 /proc/mounts say? |
| 11:57.55 | Warsaw- | liable. weird they look both the same unless i dint get to that part yet |
| 11:58.03 | xingu | sda1 rather |
| 11:58.10 | Warsaw- | is the new stuff after the ncurses menus? |
| 11:58.14 | liable | Warsaw-: huh? |
| 11:58.17 | tenzin_ | xingu: it is ext3 ... i created it with "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1" |
| 11:58.19 | Warsaw- | the installer |
| 11:58.35 | Warsaw- | 3.1r4 or etch |
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| 11:58.45 | xingu | tenzin_: you need to chown/chgrp while the dir is mounted |
| 11:58.46 | NineTails | hello |
| 11:58.47 | liable | Warsaw-: oh, check the options at boot for teh graphics |
| 11:59.05 | liable | Warsaw-: i dont think its default yet (stil rc1) |
| 11:59.16 | sts | the logfile from sshd/scponly is here: http://paste.debian.net/21899 |
| 11:59.18 | xingu | tenzin_: the mountpoint itself (the dir you mount into) is replaced with the root of the mounted filesystem (/ on /dev/sda1) |
| 11:59.23 | Warsaw- | ok so if you just press enter like usualy you wont get new installer? |
| 11:59.45 | liable | Warsaw-: hit f1 or f3, i forget which gives you all the options |
| 11:59.52 | xingu | tenzin_: if the filesystem on /dev/sda1 supports unix permissions/owners, they will persist across remounts |
| 12:00.01 | liable | Warsaw-: not the graphical one, no |
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| 12:00.19 | tenzin_ | xingu: ok . |
| 12:00.25 | cydork | Warsaw-: yes for new installing type "installgui" at boot prompt |
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| 12:00.32 | Warsaw- | ok will try now |
| 12:00.39 | cydork | bahh s/installing/installer/ |
| 12:00.53 | liable | cydork: tried it? |
| 12:01.06 | liable | is it purty? |
| 12:01.26 | xingu | is it buggy, is more the question. :) |
| 12:01.30 | cydork | liable: yes i did .. it's great all the same options but just looks good and more languages available :P |
| 12:01.33 | liable | clickable goodness?? |
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| 12:01.42 | Warsaw- | wow nice installer :) |
| 12:02.09 | cydork | xingu: nope it's not buggy any more.. rc1 was pretty stable. |
| 12:02.26 | tenzin_ | hurray ..!! it worked ... thanks everyone :) |
| 12:02.32 | xingu | <mburns>excellent</> |
| 12:02.50 | tenzin_ | bzed, xingu: it worked ... thanks |
| 12:02.50 | Fox_1_ | look http://pastebin.com/880894 |
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| 12:03.22 | liable | Fox_1_: you must type terribly slowly.. :P |
| 12:03.37 | bzed | liable: :D |
| 12:03.41 | liable | Fox_1_: use pastebin.ca too, much quickerer |
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| 12:04.05 | liable | or the debian one.. |
| 12:04.08 | xingu | ... he did ask for the uri earlier, cut him some slack. :) |
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| 12:04.57 | liable | and who gave him pastebin.com? i want there balls on my table! :P |
| 12:05.05 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 12:05.07 | bzed | !pastebin |
| 12:05.18 | bzed | !tell me about pastebin |
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| 12:05.22 | bzed | ah |
| 12:05.25 | bzed | !pastebin |
| 12:05.26 | xingu | well I think we can safely say ... |
| 12:05.26 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 12:05.28 | xingu | !prize me |
| 12:05.44 | bzed | okay, there's indeed a pastebin.com linkt at the end |
| 12:06.03 | Fox_1_ | liable: no, pastebin.com work slowly |
| 12:06.17 | xingu | holy cow that is a busy interface |
| 12:06.19 | liable | Fox_1_: yes, pastebin.com work slowly? |
| 12:06.28 | xingu | Fox_1_: this system has been up for like 15minutes right? |
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| 12:06.50 | bzed | !tell Fox_1_ about pastebin.com |
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| 12:06.56 | Fox_1_ | xingu: what system? |
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| 12:07.24 | xingu | Fox_1_: the one you're pasting about which is presumably route -n, ifconfig -a after first reboot after install? |
| 12:07.24 | liable | how could the net be down if its transfered 127MB? |
| 12:07.40 | Fox_1_ | xingu: it's just an example |
| 12:08.02 | liable | an example? |
| 12:08.09 | Fox_1_ | xingu: other informations from other computer |
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| 12:08.28 | liable | Fox_1_: we need the exact stuff from the broken box |
| 12:08.45 | Warsaw- | with the installer can you install X and fluxbox? |
| 12:08.58 | liable | Fox_1_: if we wanted examples, we would look at our own ifconfig and route output :P |
| 12:09.00 | Fox_1_ | how can i write from the broken box if it's broken???????? |
| 12:09.17 | xingu | the eternal question |
| 12:09.27 | liable | Fox_1_: ever heard of looking and typing? |
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| 12:09.47 | liable | and typing from the non-broken box?? |
| 12:09.52 | xingu | or a usb key |
| 12:09.57 | bzed | Fox_1_: or take a cam and make screenshots |
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| 12:10.04 | liable | nooooo |
| 12:10.09 | xingu | or as we had one dude doing on the weekend - an mp3 player |
| 12:10.16 | Fox_1_ | :)) |
| 12:10.35 | bzed | or connect the cam via usb and drop it on the cam ;) |
| 12:10.52 | liable | Warsaw-: doesnt it have options to install miscelanious packages? |
| 12:10.54 | xingu | heh |
| 12:11.02 | xingu | usb_camconsole |
| 12:11.06 | xingu | I can see it now |
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| 12:11.25 | xingu | soft framebuffer; periodic dump a jpg |
| 12:11.35 | bzed | Warsaw-: well, if one of the package managment tools is the installer for you, then yes. the debian installer will only install the packages you told it... you use synaptics or apt-get or aptitude on an installed system |
| 12:11.59 | bzed | xingu: no, cam as file storage :P |
| 12:12.13 | xingu | I know what you meant, but my way is funnier ;) |
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| 12:12.22 | bzed | indeed :P |
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| 12:12.54 | bzed | reza: are you sure you want to use irc as root? |
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| 12:13.26 | liable | he cant in this channel anyway |
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| 12:13.53 | Fox_1_ | so any idea? |
| 12:13.56 | liable | !tell reza about root |
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| 12:14.03 | roxy_ | I am trying to add: http://amd64.debian.net/debian/ to my source.list. I added the line: |
| 12:14.11 | liable | Fox_1_: yes, give us the correct output |
| 12:14.19 | Fox_1_ | how? |
| 12:14.30 | bzed | roxy_: use a normal debian mirror, I think the amd64.debian.net mirror is not uptodate |
| 12:14.33 | liable | type it! |
| 12:14.42 | bzed | Fox_1_: type it in a pastebin |
| 12:14.42 | roxy_ | deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian/ testing main non-free contrib , but got this error: |
| 12:14.54 | roxy_ | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://amd64.debian.net testing/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/amd64.debian.net_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 12:15.05 | Fox_1_ | i have only one computer |
| 12:15.14 | roxy_ | bzed: thanks |
| 12:15.18 | kon | pen and paper Fox_1_ |
| 12:15.19 | bzed | roxy_: http://pastebin.ca/355310 |
| 12:15.26 | liable | Fox_1_: then write it down, then reboot and type it |
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| 12:15.58 | bzed | Fox_1_: or mount an USB stick, write it in a file, reboot and put it in the pastebin |
| 12:16.12 | liable | Fox_1_: where did you get that output you pastebinned earlier then? |
| 12:16.21 | bzed | Fox_1_: while you're at it, /etc/network/interfaces would be good to have, too, also dmesg | grep eth |
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| 12:17.06 | roxy_ | I am trying to add one of this site: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fnon-free%2Fp%2Fpovray-3.5%2Fpovray-3.5_3.5.0c-10_amd64.deb&md5sum=d97b74faf6b9985dec44505c63f855c9&arch=amd64&type=unofficial |
| 12:17.28 | xingu | roxy_: why are you trying to do that? amd64 is part of etch and newer. |
| 12:17.40 | liable | sarge even has 64 |
| 12:17.56 | liable | non officially |
| 12:17.58 | xingu | liable: in the main repo? that's what amd64.d.o was about afaik |
| 12:18.00 | Fox_1_ | ok, i'll write it later |
| 12:18.19 | roxy_ | xingu, liable: I am trying to get povray package |
| 12:18.42 | roxy_ | the last link shows only *amd64* site |
| 12:18.48 | bzed | roxy_: povray is not in testing (anymore) |
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| 12:19.19 | xingu | which means there's probably a license problem that hasn't yet caught up with amd64.d.o |
| 12:19.24 | xingu | naughty naughty |
| 12:19.29 | Harzilein | hmm... |
| 12:19.52 | cydork | sex is like sex? :) |
| 12:19.55 | Harzilein | i wonder if there are alternatives to packages.d.o for having the equivalent of apt-file when on other systems |
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| 12:20.27 | liable | what other systems? |
| 12:20.30 | _joey | Trying to create deb package as suggested by the bot on this channel; I am getting an error message no java plugin is found with *.sh extension |
| 12:20.33 | _joey | No matching plugin was found. |
| 12:20.35 | _joey | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 12:20.44 | roxy_ | bzed: thanks for the news |
| 12:20.46 | bzed | xingu: the mirror on amd64.debian.net is just not updated anymore I think. that machine has to do better things, afaik it's the buildd for amd64, and I can watch it's home from work... it's at my nuiversity, I work in the next building ;) |
| 12:20.59 | bzed | _joey: did you read my pastebin? |
| 12:21.04 | _joey | no |
| 12:21.07 | cydork | _joey: as i said sarge has sun java packages in backports.org |
| 12:21.07 | bzed | why not |
| 12:21.18 | _joey | cydork 1.6 version? |
| 12:21.23 | bzed | _joey: why do you ask and do not read answers directed yto you :| |
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| 12:21.26 | cydork | _joey: yes afaik. |
| 12:21.30 | _joey | bzed I must have missed the url |
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| 12:21.44 | bzed | _joey: like you've missed cydork |
| 12:21.46 | xingu | bzed: I see what's going on, povray is still in sarge non-free for whatever reason but obviously amd64.d.o *is* sarge/amd64 |
| 12:21.53 | Harzilein | <liable> what other systems? |
| 12:22.01 | Harzilein | liable: every system with a web browser |
| 12:22.13 | bzed | xingu: yeah, amd64 was not included in sarge, but they catched up and build sarge completely |
| 12:22.15 | xingu | bzed: for etch/amd64 and newer on any arch he's SOL unless he does a forward-port |
| 12:23.04 | bzed | exactly |
| 12:23.18 | _joey | cydork there's no 1.6 version on backports |
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| 12:24.17 | roxy_ | bzed: what is the best, install povray from stable ? |
| 12:24.21 | bzed | _joey: did you install java-package |
| 12:24.42 | bzed | roxy_: either that or get it from the author and install it in /usr/local |
| 12:24.44 | xingu | roxy_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294495 |
| 12:24.46 | _joey | bzed yes |
| 12:24.53 | Gnea | xingu: ok, i just completed the alliance campaign without a single freeze... thanks :) |
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| 12:25.01 | bzed | _joey: did you download the java tar.gz |
| 12:25.03 | bzed | ? |
| 12:25.09 | xingu | Gnea: must be all that lamp rubbing. :) |
| 12:25.16 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 12:25.16 | _joey | bzed for fuck sake mam |
| 12:25.31 | roxy_ | xingu: I can't find you SOL : http://www.chemie.de/tools/acronym.php3?language=e&acronym=sol |
| 12:25.38 | bzed | _joey: what does make-java-package thatfile.tgz say? |
| 12:25.38 | roxy_ | what does it mean ? |
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| 12:26.12 | xingu | roxy_: slightly out of luck. |
| 12:26.36 | Warsaw- | anyone can suggest a howto/book on installing X/fluxbox on a new debian system |
| 12:26.42 | Warsaw- | for a workstation. |
| 12:27.02 | Gnea | xingu: oh god... just as i said that, i started tremulous and BAM, hardlock |
| 12:27.07 | liable | Warsaw-: apt-get install xorg fluxbox |
| 12:27.18 | bzed | Warsaw-: aptitude install xorg fluxbox xdm |
| 12:27.35 | liable | Warsaw-: configuring flux is another matter :P |
| 12:27.46 | Warsaw- | heh i see |
| 12:27.48 | Gnea | i hate aptitude, it tries to uninstall things that it thinks are unimportant |
| 12:27.56 | Gnea | like cvs |
| 12:28.01 | xingu | _joey: what distribution are you on, and what minimum jre/sdk is acceptable to you? |
| 12:28.06 | Warsaw- | i need xdm too? |
| 12:28.06 | bzed | Gnea: yeah, I stay with apt-get, too |
| 12:28.12 | liable | Gnea: only if you mix and match it with apt |
| 12:28.18 | liable | get |
| 12:28.20 | roxy_ | xingu: thanks for the link, I'll install from source |
| 12:28.29 | bzed | Warsaw-: you need any login manager, except you want to login on colsole and run startx as user |
| 12:28.30 | Gnea | liable: that's BS, synaptic doesn't conflict with apt-get |
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| 12:28.50 | liable | Gnea: synaptic uses apt-gets files, aptitude doesnt |
| 12:29.05 | Gnea | liable: again, retarded. why reinvent the wheel? |
| 12:29.11 | liable | Gnea: i never use apt-get, and have *never* had aptitude remove shit unwantedly |
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| 12:29.34 | liable | Gnea: whatever |
| 12:29.38 | Gnea | well aptitude needs to learn how to play nicely with apt-get from the get-go |
| 12:29.44 | liable | i am not going to get into a pissing contest |
| 12:29.45 | Gnea | otherwise it's just gonna go downhill |
| 12:30.00 | bzed | aptitude keeps track of libraries which were installed because of some other program and tries to remove then when you uninstall the programm again |
| 12:30.01 | Gnea | there is no pissing contest, aptitude needs to get with the program, plain and simple :) |
| 12:30.28 | xingu | I've said it before, and I'll say it again; what's really needed is an inotify based ${pkg}.list file access watcher daemon |
| 12:30.43 | xingu | then we can have proper usage metering and from there we can really tell what's uninstallable. |
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| 12:30.50 | liable | admittedly, it shouldnt be so incompatible |
| 12:30.53 | xingu | and then the pissing contests stop |
| 12:31.09 | byronn | i can access my webserver from within my wlan but not from with-out. what could be the problem? |
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| 12:31.09 | Gnea | hmm |
| 12:31.09 | sciboy | I need to get a good printer. =/ |
| 12:31.36 | byronn | xingu, liable, got my webserver working but only from within the wlan. |
| 12:31.36 | liable | sciboy: go shopping then! |
| 12:31.36 | Gnea | byronn: isp blocking port 80? |
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| 12:31.42 | bzed | byronn: you need to forward port 80 on your router to port 80 of your webserver |
| 12:31.58 | sciboy | liable, Not as simple cause my definition of a good printer involves one that works well with Debian. |
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| 12:32.12 | sciboy | liable, My old printers were great under windows, bad under debian. |
| 12:32.13 | liable | sciboy: linuxptinting.org |
| 12:32.19 | bzed | sciboy: look into turboprint, it's worth the money imho |
| 12:32.24 | byronn | bzed, this i have done, otherwise it would not be able to even be accessed fr within wlan. |
| 12:32.25 | Gnea | sciboy: my hp psc works 100% |
| 12:32.43 | sciboy | bzed, Really, i mean what was your case? |
| 12:32.51 | liable | sciboy: i feel your pain though, i fucking hate buying hardware, 10 hours reading up whether what you need will work in linux |
| 12:33.06 | Gnea | sciboy: just don't get a lexmark and you'll be fine :) |
| 12:33.08 | petemc | it shouldnt take 10 hours.. |
| 12:33.09 | byronn | Gnea, how to tell if it is so? |
| 12:33.09 | _joey | Has anyone installed Sun's Java 1.6.0 on Sarge here? |
| 12:33.12 | bzed | byronn: probably it clashes with some settings to save the router's own webserver. have you tried to forward port 8080 or so to port 80 on your webserver? |
| 12:33.19 | bzed | _joey: yes |
| 12:33.21 | sciboy | Gnea, Probably end up with a Canon or Epson if anything. |
| 12:33.25 | Gnea | byronn: why can only the wlan access it? |
| 12:33.30 | bzed | _joey: or no, java5 |
| 12:33.33 | Gnea | sciboy: epson are good... canon are so-so |
| 12:33.44 | bzed | _joey: but what was the output of the program I asked you to run? |
| 12:33.58 | liable | petemc: well, in between drinking beer, irc'ing, reading email and watching telly, and actually working out what i want, its usually more :P |
| 12:34.03 | petemc | :) |
| 12:34.07 | xingu | byronn: does netstat -rnv show an entry for destination=0.0.0.0? is the gateway column for it your router? |
| 12:34.13 | Gnea | oh shit, that's what i forgot |
| 12:34.14 | Gnea | beer! |
| 12:34.21 | Gnea | and i'm thirsty |
| 12:34.42 | liable | doh |
| 12:35.15 | boka | liable: too much mix. bad. either watch tv or irc or read mail. :) |
| 12:35.37 | liable | even though they are binary drivers, the couple of brothers i have had have worked well too |
| 12:36.13 | xingu | _joey: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-java@lists.debian.org/msg11349.html <-- you'll be needing something like this. |
| 12:36.24 | liable | boka: nevar! i need background noise when i do anything, quite often the telly and radio are on at the same time |
| 12:36.25 | byronn | bzed, on the WRT54G, i specify start port 80, end port 80 and then my webserver static ip. wouldn't that it sufficient? |
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| 12:36.36 | boka | liable: my el cheapo cx 3900 works great. took me less than an hour to install things. |
| 12:36.37 | sciboy | I'm wondering if i should get a multifunction printer, cause i do a buttload of scanning and if i could work around XSane then it'd be worth it. |
| 12:36.58 | Gnea | i've heard good things about brothers... the whole binary thing reminds me of nvidia... useful, but in the printer world, when HP opened itself up to open source 100%, there kind of wasn't much reason to go with anything besides that and epson :) |
| 12:37.08 | bzed | byronn: not sure as the wrt run it's own webserver on port 80 and this is blocked per default from the outside |
| 12:37.16 | xNinja | hello...which is the newer debian? and can it detect dell poweredge 1600sc scsi/controller ?? |
| 12:37.17 | byronn | xingu, how to netstat the server fr a client which i am currently on? |
| 12:37.20 | Gnea | sciboy: the PSC works great with gimp |
| 12:37.26 | boka | Gnea: i'd say either HP or EPSON |
| 12:37.27 | sciboy | Gnea, PSC? |
| 12:37.36 | Gnea | sciboy: HP PSC (all-in-one) |
| 12:37.50 | Gnea | sciboy: any of the series, really... i recommend the 1300 |
| 12:37.51 | sciboy | Oh gotcha, but when you scan do you do it through Sane? |
| 12:37.57 | GeorgeS069 | byronn: change the wrt's web server to run on port 8080 |
| 12:38.01 | bzed | byronn: try to forward port 8080 to your webserver |
| 12:38.02 | Gnea | yes |
| 12:38.05 | Gnea | however |
| 12:38.15 | sciboy | The only reason i'd consider it is Sane is a pain in the arse for 100's of drawings. |
| 12:38.15 | _joey | I can tell you here that the recipe to install Sun's java 1.6.0 provided by the bot and on the website that the bots points for refernce is not right. Altough, it does work for Sun java 1.5.0 |
| 12:38.17 | sciboy | I'm an animator. |
| 12:38.20 | bzed | GeorgeS069: on a normal box? that won;t work, only with openwrt |
| 12:38.25 | Gnea | hp made their own frontend for linux (hplip) that just plain ROCKS |
| 12:38.33 | byronn | GeorgeS069, bzed, worth a try, thks. |
| 12:38.39 | xingu | _joey: use the recipie and the diff for java-package I just gave you |
| 12:38.48 | Gnea | and sane plugs right into hplip and works seamlessly |
| 12:38.50 | bzed | byronn: you could install openwrt on it ;) |
| 12:38.51 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: works on mine and it is using the stock firmware |
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| 12:39.04 | _joey | xingu thanks |
| 12:39.07 | _joey | I am reading it now |
| 12:39.10 | _joey | great |
| 12:39.13 | Gnea | sciboy: it's pretty simple... open gimp, file->acquire->xscanimage(or xsane) and go nuts |
| 12:39.18 | bzed | GeorgeS069: oh? then it's something which was not in the foirmware of mine before I installed openwrt :D |
| 12:39.27 | JarJarBinks | dpkg: kept back |
| 12:39.27 | dpkg | methinks kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
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| 12:39.50 | boka | sciboy: show us your animation. |
| 12:39.52 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: linksys has been updating the firmware |
| 12:39.55 | sciboy | Gnea, I do that already, it's the actual scanning that's been lacklustre, my current one autoadjusts the contrast/brightness settings and always gets it wrong. |
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| 12:40.10 | xNinja | ? |
| 12:40.11 | xingu | _joey: sarge is getting seriously obsolete now, expect this kind of merriment to escalate for wrapped packages |
| 12:40.16 | sciboy | boka, Not now. |
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| 12:40.35 | bzed | GeorgeS069: I have an asus here waiting for an openwrt installed, but it's a brick actually because I've fucked something up, I need to solder the serial port on it |
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| 12:41.03 | xingu | _joey: you're probably about 12-24mo away from issues with missing library symbols in libc for binary-only blobs |
| 12:41.21 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: crap...I bricked my first wrt54gs....took it back to bestbuy and exchanged it :) |
| 12:41.27 | sciboy | Gnea, I've found the autoscanning to SD on my dads Epson multifunction works so much more easily. |
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| 12:41.45 | Gnea | sciboy: sec, i'll take a screenshot |
| 12:42.42 | bzed | GeorgeS069: haha :D well, I would have soldered a serial port for it anyway |
| 12:42.51 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: I've heard there is some way to trick some of those routers to do a tftp firmware install on boot |
| 12:42.54 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 12:43.50 | bzed | GeorgeS069: yeah that works for almost all of them except the asus in case you've fucked up the network settings. all routers fail back to some 192.... default, except the asus, it ignores all set values BUT it uses the network settings in nvram, and that's the thing I have fucked up ;) |
| 12:44.17 | liable | joey_: much better :) |
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| 12:45.50 | zamuro | Should I restart after upgrade kernel-headers? |
| 12:46.26 | liable | upgrade headers? you upgraded the kernel earlier and rebooted since? |
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| 12:46.34 | xNinja | ---where to download etch? i heard that i will detect the scsi controller of dell poweredge servers ? |
| 12:46.52 | liable | how is debian on oftc these days? |
| 12:47.07 | liable | !d-i xNinja |
| 12:47.08 | dpkg | xNinja, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:47.36 | bzed | xNinja: try the etch installer, not the old for sarge |
| 12:47.46 | bzed | chances are good |
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| 12:47.53 | liable | i have a bad case of teh lags |
| 12:48.36 | JarJarBinks | dpkg: nvidia one liner |
| 12:48.36 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 12:51.22 | xNinja | thanks liable/ bzed :D |
| 12:51.30 | bzed | np |
| 12:51.52 | bzed | if it doesn;t work for you poke me with soem exaclt hardware specs |
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| 12:52.25 | xNinja | ok thanks alot i really appreciate it :D |
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| 12:54.21 | sciboy | Gnea? |
| 12:54.35 | JarJarBinks | any ops around? |
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| 12:55.23 | liable | JarJarBinks: if you are being spammed, use '!ops foo is ***' |
| 12:55.38 | JarJarBinks | nope I just have a correction to dpkg |
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| 12:55.45 | Gnea | sciboy: http://garson.org/~gnea/X-xsane.jpg |
| 12:55.51 | liable | you can do that |
| 12:55.55 | Gnea | and http://garson.org/~gnea/X-xscanimage.jpg |
| 12:56.16 | JarJarBinks | liable: hmm not sure I dare :) |
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| 12:57.09 | Disvroian | Hye someone know a gui for read the log ? |
| 12:57.27 | bzed | JarJarBinks: like |
| 12:57.33 | bzed | !penis |
| 12:57.33 | dpkg | well, penis is liable, the penis proclaimer |
| 12:57.36 | liable | any text file reader.. |
| 12:57.42 | Gnea | sciboy: sorry, i was slightly distracted: http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=TZ860P4iTaM |
| 12:57.49 | bzed | dpkg: no, penis is liable, the penis proclaimer |
| 12:57.49 | dpkg | bzed: i already had it that way |
| 12:57.59 | bzed | JarJarBinks: ^^ |
| 12:58.09 | liable | though you need to have at least adm in your groups |
| 12:58.15 | sciboy | Gnea, Cheers for that, i never got the xsaneimage dialog to work. |
| 12:58.22 | JarJarBinks | when dpkg gives the nvidia one liner, it says dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but if you really are using xorg, you should install nvidia-glx-legacy, and not nvidia-glx (as mentioned) |
| 12:58.32 | bzed | JarJarBinks: uh no |
| 12:58.40 | bzed | JarJarBinks: only if you ahve some old card |
| 12:58.47 | liable | bzed: eh?? |
| 12:58.51 | bzed | yeah |
| 12:59.04 | bzed | the normal nvidia driver works very well with xorg |
| 12:59.15 | bzed | the legacy is needed for things like the quatro 1 |
| 12:59.18 | bzed | and 2 |
| 12:59.19 | liable | i meant the penis |
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| 12:59.26 | bzed | ah lol |
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| 12:59.31 | JarJarBinks | it's just either it should only tell how to do with xfree86 or it should have corrections both places where the oneliner differs if you use xorg not, only one of two |
| 12:59.52 | JarJarBinks | hhmm |
| 13:00.02 | bzed | JarJarBinks: well, just do not use xfree ;) |
| 13:00.20 | JarJarBinks | and don't take the advice from dpkg? |
| 13:00.27 | manson | bzed, have tried forwarding 8080 to my webserver, no good. can you try to access 218.186.152.36? |
| 13:00.37 | bzed | !tell me about nvidia oneliner |
| 13:00.39 | JarJarBinks | I'm using xorg, but glx did not work because I had installed nvidia-glx and not nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 13:00.57 | JarJarBinks | which I got from dpkg |
| 13:01.25 | Gnea | JarJarBinks: why install legacy? |
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| 13:01.49 | bzed | JarJarBinks: hmm, there's missing that you should install nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 13:02.15 | bzed | and why did you install the -legacy package? -legacy is nowhere mentioned in the dpkg line |
| 13:02.21 | war | When I select a URL in Debian Eetch it kills gaim. |
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| 13:02.26 | war | Any chance this will get fixeD? :( |
| 13:02.44 | Gnea | JarJarBinks: legacy is only for older nvidia cards |
| 13:03.01 | Gnea | which is why it's... legacy |
| 13:03.48 | JarJarBinks | okay ( I'll look up what legacy means ) |
| 13:04.08 | JarJarBinks | ohh |
| 13:04.14 | JarJarBinks | not quite the meaning I expected |
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| 13:04.46 | bzed | war: you could try gaim from experimental |
| 13:04.57 | manson | can someone try to access 218.186.152.36? |
| 13:04.58 | liable | *boom* |
| 13:05.13 | GeorgeS069 | manson: doesn't work |
| 13:05.27 | manson | GeorgeS069, what happen? looping? |
| 13:05.35 | JarJarBinks | 3001 vadum % nmap 218.186.152.36 ~ 14:05 |
| 13:05.35 | JarJarBinks | Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2007-02-14 14:05 CET |
| 13:05.35 | JarJarBinks | Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0 |
| 13:05.35 | JarJarBinks | Nmap finished: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 3.057 seconds |
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| 13:05.38 | liable | just realised i dont haver nmap.. |
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| 13:05.54 | GeorgeS069 | manson: just hangs there...no error....might be some kind of loop |
| 13:06.15 | GeorgeS069 | manson: just timed out...took a few minutes |
| 13:06.21 | manson | GeorgeS069, i had it the some too. |
| 13:06.24 | manson | the same |
| 13:06.41 | liable | manson: i think you prolly need to find some instructions for your router |
| 13:06.57 | liable | manson: you did restart apache on 8080? |
| 13:07.09 | manson | liable, or do i have config apache2? |
| 13:07.22 | manson | liable, oh no, didn't do that. |
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| 13:07.38 | Bogdar | hi all |
| 13:08.02 | Bogdar | how to disable ipv6 in apt-get. In current debian etch. |
| 13:08.06 | liable | manson: if ou are forwarding 8080, then you kinda need to tell apache to listen to that port :P |
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| 13:08.59 | manson | liable, /etc/init.d/apache2 8080 restart? |
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| 13:09.48 | dorel_1 | manson: no, you need to edit the configuration file (apache2.conf) and set the listening port. |
| 13:09.51 | liable | manson: no, you need to edit the config for it. i havent used apache2 yet, so i dunno which file it is |
| 13:10.25 | manson | liable, ok, i know, apache2.conf. |
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| 13:10.27 | dorel_1 | manson: check /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 13:10.44 | dorel_1 | manson: there's a listen directive there, change it as you wish. |
| 13:10.45 | liable | manson: dont forget to restart apache |
| 13:10.53 | manson | ok |
| 13:11.15 | GeorgeS069 | I still think he can put the router's httpd on 8080 and just leave apache alone |
| 13:12.21 | liable | GeorgeS069: point, though most routers only listen on there local address anyway (by default, so this is prolly a waste of time anyway.. :) |
| 13:12.35 | wrs_ | Hi, using the 2.6.18-3-486 etch kernel, I continuously encounter system time ahead of rtc (AMD K6-2/400 box). Is anyone aware of such a case & can hint to a solution? |
| 13:13.47 | bzed | wrs_: install ntp :) |
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| 13:14.24 | wrs_ | bzed, yet done. Results in kind of core dumps when ntp* attempts to set the clock back to the current real time. |
| 13:14.44 | wrs_ | bzed, Hence I removed it again |
| 13:15.04 | bzed | O_O |
| 13:15.15 | bzed | I assume you're on etch? |
| 13:15.28 | bzed | did you do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade recently? |
| 13:15.44 | wrs_ | bzed, there I am. .. yes, every day twice. :-) |
| 13:15.58 | bzed | well then... install reportbug and report it as bug |
| 13:16.06 | bzed | this should not happen |
| 13:16.23 | wrs_ | bzed, you consider this is a bug in the package/kernel -- not mine? |
| 13:17.04 | bzed | I consider this a bug in ntp or the kernel, but I'd report it against ntp |
| 13:17.25 | xingu | wrs_: try clock=pmtmr boot arg |
| 13:17.43 | xingu | wrs_: also make sure your bios is up to date |
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| 13:17.58 | wrs_ | xingu, where can I set that param? I switched from lilo to grub recently, and am not yet familiar with grub |
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| 13:18.27 | xingu | wrs_: defoptions=clock=pmtmr |
| 13:18.36 | xingu | wrs_: then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 13:18.37 | eMish_ | How can I print list of files belonging to not installed package (name of which I see using apt-get search) ? |
| 13:19.06 | xingu | wrs_: can you paste(ask dpkg) /var/log/dmesg somewhere? |
| 13:20.00 | bzed | wrs_: running update-drub instead of the dpkg-reconfigure will work, too |
| 13:20.10 | wrs_ | xingu, hm, apparently currently not ... this is a bit complicated, wait a minute ... |
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| 13:24.49 | manson_ | forwarding to 8080 doesn't help. have checked router settings. no firewall, no access restriction to any service. what else to check? |
| 13:25.33 | GeorgeS069 | manson_: check and see if your ISP blocks port 80 |
| 13:25.38 | wrs_ | xingu, it's at |
| 13:25.40 | wrs_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5382 |
| 13:25.50 | liable | manson_: i cant help but feel you arent doing your router setup right |
| 13:26.07 | liable | manson_: does apache show as listening on 0.0.0.0? |
| 13:26.13 | liable | in netstat |
| 13:26.18 | manson_ | GeorgeS069, how to do that? i can access websites. |
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| 13:26.55 | dorel_1 | manson_: on the shell, run 'netstat -tanlup | grep apache' |
| 13:27.03 | manson_ | liable, apache ports.conf set to listen to 80. |
| 13:27.14 | dorel_1 | manson_: so set it to 8080 instead. |
| 13:27.29 | GeorgeS069 | manson_: they may block incomming port 80 traffic....that will still allow you to use port 80 on outbound requests |
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| 13:28.13 | manson_ | GeorgeS069, i got to check with ISP people? |
| 13:28.29 | liable | manson_: well my nmap of your box shows only ssh open |
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| 13:28.44 | GeorgeS069 | manson_: yes,you could just call them and ask but,that may tip them off that you are trying to run a web server |
| 13:29.26 | xingu | wrs_: take a look in /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/{available,current}_clocksource |
| 13:29.33 | manson_ | GeorgeS069, :D is that a crime? |
| 13:29.34 | xingu | wrs_: and tell me what current_ is? |
| 13:29.47 | GeorgeS069 | manson_: Yes it is for some ISP's |
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| 13:30.40 | larsl | In what package is the files that define the autoconf macro AM_ACLOCAL_INCLUDE? |
| 13:30.52 | manson_ | liable, interesting. so that means my router is not set up right for http? |
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| 13:31.47 | wrs_ | xingu, current_clocksource: acpi_pm |
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| 13:32.02 | xingu | wrs_: and available are? |
| 13:32.05 | manson_ | GeorgeS069, i would think that once i got the line fr them, i can do what i want with it. |
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| 13:32.39 | GeorgeS069 | manson_: I used to think that too....you might read thier acceptable use policy |
| 13:32.49 | liable | manson_: hrm, 8080 shows as filtered, try running apache on 22 (you'll have to kill ssh) |
| 13:32.56 | wrs_ | xingu, acpi_pm jiffies tsc pit |
| 13:33.27 | liable | time for bed for me anyways, laters |
| 13:33.37 | hark | manson_: you can see for yourself using say, canyouseeme.org |
| 13:33.39 | manson_ | liable, i am using 80 now. |
| 13:33.41 | xingu | wrs_: hmm, you are alreay clock=pmtmr; in that case try clock=tsc |
| 13:33.54 | manson_ | hark, great, thks. |
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| 13:34.38 | xingu | wrs_: nb in 2.6.19 and newer this should become clocksource= so keep this in mind if/when a newer major rev. hits the debian repo |
| 13:35.16 | xingu | larsl: my guess is aclocal.m4 |
| 13:35.33 | wrs--other_box | xingu: switched to the main machine, since working w/o a mouse (ion3 wm) is a bit problematic during chat. ;-) |
| 13:35.51 | wrs--other_box | xingu: I din't figure out yet where to put that param. |
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| 13:36.11 | wrs--other_box | xingu: currently I am looking under /boot/grub/... |
| 13:36.24 | Fox_1_ | ps ax > aaa.txt - it's write ps ax output in to aaa.txt. how can i say that it append output to aaa.txt? |
| 13:36.26 | xingu | wrs--other_box: boot/grub/menu.lst:# defoptions= |
| 13:36.26 | Fox_1_ | if aaa.txt exist |
| 13:36.26 | Zap-W | does the last kernel have qlogic drivers for FC HBAs ? |
| 13:36.39 | xingu | wrs--other_box: leave the line commented; update-grup will reparse that whole file. |
| 13:36.45 | xingu | upgrade-grub rather |
| 13:37.03 | hark | Fox_1_: >> |
| 13:37.23 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks |
| 13:38.14 | manson_ | - |
| 13:39.11 | Warsaw- | anyone know why would lilo load slow? when it says loading linux..... it just keeps doing dots for like 5min untill its done |
| 13:39.17 | wrs--other_box | xingu: apparently, there is no upgrade-grub on the box. Nor could I get a matching package using aptitude install |
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| 13:40.01 | manson_ | got to quit, will return. |
| 13:40.05 | wrs--other_box | xingu: strange... now it does |
| 13:40.15 | war | When I select a URL in Debian Eetch it kills gaim<- I need to check if there is a bug report for this |
| 13:40.18 | war | I assume there is |
| 13:40.54 | wrs--other_box | xingu: now what? Reboot the box? |
| 13:41.26 | xingu | yep |
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| 13:42.26 | wrs__ | xingu: How will I be able to find out whether or not the clock is running ahead -- the quick way? Rather that just timing a minute or so? |
| 13:42.39 | wrs__ | than |
| 13:42.41 | mandingo | bah |
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| 13:43.26 | xingu | wrs__: just wait is pretty much it |
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| 13:44.57 | xingu | wrs__: just out of interest have you also had problems with manic keyboard autorepeat? |
| 13:45.28 | wrs__ | xingu: yes, but only in the end, not this morning, when I noticed the running system clock first |
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| 13:45.53 | xingu | hopefully tsc will fix it |
| 13:45.58 | wrs__ | xingu: where's the relationship between the sys clock and the keyboard? |
| 13:46.43 | xingu | wrs__: the real problem is that your acpi pmtimer source is b0rken; probably a buggy bios, maybe there's something else going on like not ack'ing EC events or something |
| 13:46.46 | wrs__ | xingu: well, local time is now 14:46, box time is 14:50 yet |
| 13:47.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know when we can expect 2.6.20 AMD64 in Etch's repos? |
| 13:47.48 | xingu | wrs__: keyboard vs gettimeofday skew - common mistake in programming event loops is to use gettimeofday bashing assuming it's monotomic and not catching exceptions when this proves false |
| 13:47.54 | wrs__ | xingu: Hm, up to a few days ago, there was no such a problem, and afaik bios wasn't changed in the meantime |
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| 13:48.17 | xingu | wrs__: I'll take your word for that ;) so the next question is what did change |
| 13:48.31 | xingu | wrs__: new kernel? new peripheral? new mb settings? |
| 13:48.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 13:48.55 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: in etch? good luck with that one. |
| 13:48.56 | Onur | hi. Do you have any advice for low cpu usage web browser? Iceweasel is very high cpu usage for my computer. |
| 13:49.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: :( |
| 13:49.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Do you think it could be there in a month? |
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| 13:49.38 | wrs__ | xingu: hm, new peripheral, I'd say... well... PS/2 keyboard on a PS/2 connector, where's still not clear whether it's a mouse or a kbd connector... |
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| 13:50.10 | xingu | I think it could be a year; stable means stable, it doesn't mean "is a high watermark for head-of-line upstream" |
| 13:50.20 | wrs__ | xingu: at least, the keyboard doesn't get recognised if I tell the bios not to support PS/2 mice. |
| 13:50.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: How about sid? |
| 13:51.00 | xingu | wrs__: ok, so it's just possible that we have a chain here; fake i8042 emulated by acpi; storm of ps/2 bus events |
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| 13:51.17 | xingu | wrs__: et viola - firmware running hot and late, clock slows down |
| 13:51.35 | vlt | Hello. What is the right "ifconfig" command to set eth0 to dhcp mode (w/o editing interfaces file)? |
| 13:51.44 | wrs__ | xingu: which clock? The rtc is running accurately |
| 13:51.55 | manson | liable, i have confirmed that i can ssh to the site fr outside the wlan. |
| 13:52.00 | xingu | wrs__: the rtc isn't used to regulate gettimeofday |
| 13:52.13 | xingu | wrs__: you're confusing timestamp with phase calibration |
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| 13:52.51 | manson | liable, you were saying that nmap showed port 80 as filtered. what does that mean? |
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| 13:53.01 | wrs__ | xingu: so, what clock is affected? ... well, I just don't have that deep insight to clocking ... |
| 13:53.23 | xingu | wrs__: timestamp is seeded from rtc; clock phase is then regulated via an interrupt source of some description; for you this edge is either tsc, pit, acpi, or an internal flywheel (jiffies) |
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| 13:53.55 | xingu | wrs__: the clock that's affected is the system time-of-day - ie gettimeofday's backing store |
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| 13:54.27 | xingu | wrs__: nb your rtc is only accurate to a half of a second (or a tenth if you've got something really exotic); so don't even go there. :) |
| 13:55.29 | wrs__ | xingu: so is the sys time, currently; after the first second it's yet a second ahead. ;-) |
| 13:55.30 | wrs__ | xingu: so, what can I do for a solution? Despite getting new hardware/kbd adaptor? |
| 13:55.51 | xingu | wrs__: it's still slewing? recheck current_timesource |
| 13:55.58 | xingu | wrs__: make sure that we're now using tsc |
| 13:57.00 | wrs__ | xingu: It says: Mi 14. Feb 15:09:44 CET 2007. Main box says: Mi Feb 14 14:56:50 CET 2007 |
| 13:57.16 | wrs__ | xingu: I'd say, the 400 box is still ahead |
| 13:57.39 | xingu | wrs__: what does current_timesource think |
| 13:57.44 | wrs__ | xingu: for the tsc, wait a moment |
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| 13:59.41 | wrs__ | xingu: current_clocksource: acpi_pm; available_*: acpi_pm jiffies tsc pit |
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| 14:00.24 | xingu | wrs__: ok so something has gone wrong and the changed parm hasn't taken; recheck that defoptions is still "# defoptions=clock=tsc" |
| 14:00.38 | xingu | wrs__: also check that this line clock=tsc now appears later, against your boot image |
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| 14:01.23 | xingu | wrs__: if both of these two things are true - look in /proc/cmdline; if clock=tsc also appears there, then try clocksource=tsc syntax instead. |
| 14:01.27 | wrs__ | xingu: erm, I understood you the way, I shoud keep the param commented out, hence I didn't change anything but called update-grub only |
| 14:01.28 | wrs__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.35 | sidjster | every time i compile my kernel runs like crap |
| 14:02.04 | xingu | wrs__: you should have a line which reads "# defoptions=clock=tsc..." |
| 14:02.39 | xingu | wrs__: then run update-grub; then recheck to make sure that clock=tsc also turns up later on in menu.lst against your boot image |
| 14:03.13 | l3m | is there a way to get a list of all installed packages on a system and use it to install all these on another system? |
| 14:03.18 | wrs__ | xingu: I added that "clock=tsc" now to the defoptions line in menu.lst of grub ... |
| 14:03.28 | petemc | l3m: /msg dpkg selections |
| 14:03.39 | xingu | wrs__: maybe just paste menu.lst at this point |
| 14:03.50 | wrs__ | xingu: ah, now something's going on ... |
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| 14:04.40 | l3m | thanks |
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| 14:04.48 | fireba11 | need a little help with an init.d file i'm writing ... the app expects some config files, and it seems it doesn't search relative to executable but from current location since it searches in / when i run it via script .. how to set that ? |
| 14:05.16 | l3m | petemc thanks |
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| 14:05.38 | petemc | np |
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| 14:05.49 | wrs__ | xingu: menu.lst: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5383 |
| 14:05.53 | xingu | fireba11: (cd /wherever && my-application) |
| 14:06.30 | xingu | wrs__: perfect, now reboot and recheck current_clocksource |
| 14:06.32 | wrs__ | xingu: yes, tsc turned up against the kernel |
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| 14:07.45 | wrs__ | xingu: sorry, that I oversaw the relevant part. :-( |
| 14:09.05 | xingu | wrs__: :) no probs, we'll get there eventually |
| 14:09.30 | wrs__ | xingu: So, the machine back up. Now wait for a minute.. |
| 14:09.38 | fireba11 | xingu: i used start-stop-daemon ... |
| 14:09.43 | xingu | wrs__: current_clocksource? |
| 14:09.51 | Zap-W | say |
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| 14:10.02 | wrs__ | xingu: tsc |
| 14:10.07 | wrs__ | xingu: only tsc |
| 14:10.09 | xingu | wrs__: perfect. |
| 14:10.26 | wrs__ | xingu: I have no idea, what you did at all. :-) |
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| 14:10.56 | wrs__ | xingu: but nice an experience, that remote analysis sometimes works. :) |
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| 14:11.20 | wrs__ | xingu: yepp, the sys time is correct |
| 14:11.23 | xingu | wrs__: you've just told your kernel to use the tsc to regulate its clock tick; in theory this on a k6 will be a little less wildly wobbly than your acpi timer evidently now is |
| 14:12.04 | xingu | wrs__: you'll probably have some /other/ kinds of fun poo rain on you until you work out what's upsetting acpi, but at least your system clock won't be doing the macarena on your arse |
| 14:12.25 | Zap-W | do i need to recompile the kernel if i select a few modules with menuconfig , or make modules is enouth? |
| 14:12.40 | fireba11 | xingu : ah, found it, thanks anyway |
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| 14:12.45 | xingu | wrs__: at some point in the 2.6.20+ timeframe you'll need to change that line to "clocksource=" instead of "clock=" |
| 14:13.07 | wrs__ | xingu: nicely explained. *g* |
| 14:13.47 | wrs__ | xingu: Hm, i'm going to copy&aste your comment to the menu.lst now; that should help, i think |
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| 14:13.57 | xingu | :) |
| 14:14.51 | Warsaw- | anyone know why would lilo load slow? when it says loading linux..... it just keeps doing dots for like 5min untill its done |
| 14:15.45 | Warsaw- | my other systems it takes like 1 sec to load |
| 14:16.06 | wrs__ | xingu: Thanks for help. :) |
| 14:16.18 | scanf | how can I make /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/proxy_arp = 1 by default? |
| 14:16.20 | abrotman | Warsaw-: slow box? big kernel |
| 14:16.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:16.31 | xingu | Warsaw-: do you have "compact" in lilo.conf? |
| 14:16.36 | Warsaw- | well nah its a centrino laptop |
| 14:16.47 | Warsaw- | hmm its the default install lilo |
| 14:16.49 | xingu | Warsaw-: compare/contrast between slow and non-slow systems for that setting |
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| 14:16.50 | Warsaw- | in mbr |
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| 14:16.58 | imgrey | Good Day #debian |
| 14:17.28 | pumpkin0 | about sed: how do i tell sed to replaces space(s) with a newline ? |
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| 14:17.51 | xingu | pumpkin0: it's easier to tr ' ' '\n' |
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| 14:18.10 | xingu | pumpkin0: but you can probably get away with ....^V^J.... if your shell supports that |
| 14:18.37 | xingu | pumpkin0: don't blame me if that makes your shell history and command line recall look as ugly as sin ;) |
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| 14:19.06 | pumpkin0 | xingu: tr sound good, but the file sometimes has 20 spaces, sometime only 1-2. does tr do that too ? |
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| 14:19.45 | imgrey | how to receive notifications when bugs that tagged `important` submitted ? |
| 14:19.54 | |DuReX| | is there a way to make sshd has a higher priority? so when load is high i'm still able to login ? |
| 14:20.00 | imgrey | (on bugs.debian.org submitted) |
| 14:20.04 | xingu | pumpkin0: no regex in tr, it's char class mapping only; tr would map each one - which you'd then need to remove with uniq or similar |
| 14:20.26 | Gnurdux | |DuReX|, is this a really old computer? |
| 14:20.27 | xingu | pumpkin0: ... or sed ;) |
| 14:20.29 | scanf | found it: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:20.30 | pumpkin0 | xingu: ois. Well, time to hack something ... |
| 14:20.33 | wrs__ | bye |
| 14:20.41 | xingu | pumpkin0: try ^V^J in the replace string |
| 14:20.49 | xingu | pumpkin0: it'll probably work the way you expect |
| 14:20.55 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 14:20.56 | |DuReX| | no Gnurdux, but sometimes a driver fucks up and takes such a high load i'm not able to login anymore |
| 14:21.06 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 14:21.14 | xingu | a *driver* ? |
| 14:21.18 | Gnurdux | cause even whem im using 99% of CPU i can do it |
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| 14:21.24 | Gnurdux | xingu, probably video driver |
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| 14:21.30 | pumpkin0 | xingu: it is so simple: tr -s ' ' '\n'. The -s does the magic part. |
| 14:21.47 | xingu | pumpkin0: nice find. |
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| 14:23.25 | xingu | pumpkin0: the really nice thing is that you can use [:space:] char class and catch \t and friends too |
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| 14:24.23 | Gnurdux | what about \S |
| 14:24.32 | xingu | death to perl |
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| 14:25.58 | JarJarBinks | shame on you xingu |
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| 14:32.24 | Solak | !sigh |
| 14:32.24 | dpkg | i guess sigh is we are living hard times pal |
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| 14:33.17 | Solak | for some silly reason, it is recognized but doesn't react (as if /dev/st0 doesn't exist). |
| 14:33.52 | suppaman | hello |
| 14:34.49 | Menphizexor | lol |
| 14:34.52 | abrotman | Solak: lsscsi might be of some help |
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| 14:36.57 | Solak | abrotman: not recognized command. |
| 14:37.04 | abrotman | it has to be installed |
| 14:37.06 | xingu | Solak: google has... http://sony.storagesupport.com/tapetool/linux.htm |
| 14:37.16 | Solak | abrotman: but in the boot I see: |
| 14:37.19 | Solak | Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 14:37.22 | Solak | st0: try direct i/o: yes (alignment 512 B), max page reachable by HBA 1048575 |
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| 14:38.00 | Solak | xingu: yes, but that tool also reports problems. |
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| 14:38.14 | Solak | ERROR: SG_IO Inquiry |
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| 14:38.58 | xingu | Solak: is it detected wrt /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 14:39.54 | Solak | xingu: yes: Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 14:39.56 | xingu | ... and I assume you have at least group access to the /dev file |
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| 14:40.15 | Solak | xingu: I had a real scsi tape before which could be accessed. |
| 14:40.17 | pumpkin0 | xingu: thanks for your help. excell & Co are to stupid to insert a 400 col. file but will happily accept 400 rows file ... |
| 14:40.24 | Solak | xingu: that was also on /dev/st0 |
| 14:40.25 | ruben | Uhmm, /etc/shawod or passwd for linux, wich ecnryption uses, des, 3des or md5? |
| 14:40.41 | Solak | anyway, bbl. |
| 14:40.44 | xingu | Solak: did you hot unplug/replug? or is this after a reboot? |
| 14:41.08 | Solak | xingu: no, it's an internal drive. |
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| 14:41.08 | abrotman | Solak: is it USB ? |
| 14:41.32 | apk | ruben: See first paragraph in man shadow |
| 14:41.49 | Solak | abrotman: no, S-ATA. |
| 14:41.54 | xingu | Solak: so does that mean it was hot unplugged or not? :) |
| 14:42.37 | abrotman | Solak: but the SG_IO is the real problem ? |
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| 14:43.42 | jelly | Solak: what does mt -f /dev/nst0 status say? |
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| 14:44.10 | xingu | not much if it's not responding to sg inquire, I wager |
| 14:44.14 | RvGaTe | I can remember with the installation with debian, you needed to enter a domain name, or at least something like "local.lan" or leave it empty... i was wondering where this was used for, and how i can change it... |
| 14:44.22 | jelly | xingu: yeah but st != sg |
| 14:45.00 | jelly | different drivers might use different underlying scsi commands |
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| 14:45.59 | xingu | urk, a sata tape drive? yeehaw |
| 14:46.00 | diilbertAtWork | I am wondering if there is a way to get sftp to respect a users umask ? |
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| 14:46.38 | stonekeeper | Hi! Sorry if this question is kinda noobish, but I just did my first debian install: Issuing a reboot command works, but then halts on the "Rebooting..." message. Do I need to install apm or something? Thanks... |
| 14:46.56 | jelly | if it were SAS, it would be another thing |
| 14:47.04 | diilbertAtWork | When the user is local the umask works fine but when connecting with a sftp client the umask is not effected leaving a file with restrictive permissions |
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| 14:49.43 | abrotman | stonekeeper: how old is the box ? |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | AFAIK .. SAS and SATA respond to the same commands |
| 14:50.18 | xingu | abrotman: only at sata2+ afaik |
| 14:50.20 | stonekeeper | abrotman: it isn't that old, 2-3 years? |
| 14:50.33 | xingu | abrotman: sas supports sata1 tunnelling but not vice-versa |
| 14:50.37 | stonekeeper | i think it was fine under suse. |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | stonekeeper: acpid is more likely what you want |
| 14:51.11 | abrotman | xingu: so ask him which SATA it is! |
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| 14:51.35 | stonekeeper | abrotman: just install with apt? |
| 14:51.47 | jelly | abrotman: SAS costs more. I strongly doubt that consumer grade SATA would support all of its features. ;-) |
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| 14:53.06 | xingu | the scsi boys were always good at having millions of variously well supported options. :) |
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| 14:56.51 | catlee | Hello |
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| 14:56.57 | loca|host | anyone know a web based free port scanner ? i would like to scan my router IP from outside to check for open ports |
| 14:57.11 | abrotman | stonekeeper: sure! |
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| 14:57.29 | abrotman | jelly: i have SAS here .. it's not that expensive .. it was the nice hardware SAS controller that was :) |
| 14:57.40 | abrotman | loca|host: google ... |
| 14:57.48 | abrotman | SHEILDS UP! |
| 14:57.55 | catlee | Are there any packages / projects aimed at making a debian box into a NAS server? I know all the individual tools are there, I'm wondering if there's something with a web-based interface to manage lvm, md, etc. |
| 14:58.38 | keith80403 | loca|host, What's the IP and I'll run NMAP for you right now. |
| 14:59.09 | loca|host | keith80403, thanks but i need an effort that you cant make :) need to debug my router |
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| 14:59.39 | keith80403 | loca|host, Two show up in Google - put "port scanner" in the field, with quotes.... |
| 15:00.42 | abrotman | SHIELDS UP! |
| 15:00.56 | Ronin | keep trying abrotman |
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| 15:01.13 | abrotman | Ronin: i'm just not canadian enoof |
| 15:01.15 | JediMaster | hi guys, does anyone know how I can find out what ./configure line for the ffmpeg package so I can compile the latest source from svn |
| 15:01.25 | abrotman | ask #mplayer ? |
| 15:01.49 | JediMaster | good idea =) thanks |
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| 15:04.45 | stonekeeper | abrotman: interesting! ctrl-alt-delete reboots it fine. "reboot" is the same as "shutdown -r" right? |
| 15:04.57 | abrotman | should be .. you'd think |
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| 15:06.39 | jay | My x1400 card gives me fps speeds of approx 300-350... i'm using the 8.32 drivers from ati, is that good or bad? |
| 15:09.16 | h3sp4wn | jay: depends what the fps is in |
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| 15:10.07 | xingu | furlongs per second as it sails out the window to the street below |
| 15:10.16 | jay | it says like 1000-2000 frames then 300-350 fps from fgl_glxgears... not so sure about the number of frames, but sure about the frames per second |
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| 15:11.24 | jay | ok, what does the "fps" in fgl_glxgears mean? |
| 15:11.28 | jay | furlongs per second |
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| 15:13.09 | h3sp4wn | jay: try looking at the output of fgl_glxinfo and glxinfo | grep direct (If the output of the first command does not mention mesa and the second is direct rendering: Yes then its working properly (most likely) |
| 15:13.17 | Knight_Lord | What's /dev/.static/dev/sdn1? |
| 15:13.17 | stonekeeper | heh jey |
| 15:13.21 | azeem | jay: glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 15:13.24 | Knight_Lord | What's this .static about? |
| 15:13.44 | azeem | Knight_Lord: it's the old non-udev static /dev tree |
| 15:14.01 | azeem | udev bind mounts it there when it starts up for recovery purposes or something |
| 15:14.07 | jay | fgl_glxgears isn't a benchmark either? |
| 15:14.28 | azeem | I assume so |
| 15:14.28 | Knight_Lord | azeem it's strange because i created an array with several disks and some appear inside .static and other don't |
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| 15:14.43 | jay | it's working alright, but is it the best it can be? Nahhh... I have direct renderin |
| 15:15.03 | apk | fgl_glxgear's speed depends on cpu load, day of week, barometric pressure, and number of fairy wings in the pot. |
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| 15:15.41 | jay | thing is... i used 2 get like about 500 some time ago if i remember correctly |
| 15:15.52 | jay | but isn't there like a set speed, like the max for my card? |
| 15:16.22 | cydork | apk: you forgot the location of earth with respect to the pluto :P |
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| 15:17.07 | enouf | I think udev uses .static as a tmp dir until it can create the /dev correctly or can assign it appropriately or somesuch .. but this may be old info anyways .. things change all the time ;-) |
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| 15:17.50 | enouf | I know only root can even enter view /dev/.static/* |
| 15:18.11 | Solak | re. |
| 15:18.39 | Solak | jelly: it gives some information, but the status is a number that isn't very descriptive. |
| 15:18.45 | azeem | Knight_Lord: static is static, it doesn't change |
| 15:18.49 | jay | is there a way 2 find out the max fps i should get out of my card |
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| 15:19.09 | azeem | Knight_Lord: if they don't appear, that means they aren't created by default, you can MAKEDEV them yourself, but if you use udev that's pointless |
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| 15:20.06 | Solak | abrotman: yes, the SG_IO seems to be the problem. |
| 15:20.21 | jelly | Solak: well, if, after running it twice in a row, status isn't 0x0, something is wrong. If you have a medium inserted you can verify if things like mt -f /dev/nst0 rewind (or other simple commands) work |
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| 15:21.12 | jelly | Solak: I've found status usually is funny right after reboot or modprobe st |
| 15:22.15 | Solak | jelly: drive status = 956301824 |
| 15:22.23 | enouf | Knight_Lord: if you're interested .. "grep -ir dev/.static /etc/init.d/" and "grep -ir dev/.static /etc/rc?.d/" .. |
| 15:22.27 | Solak | tape inserted. |
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| 15:22.29 | suppaman | hello |
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| 15:22.45 | Solak | jelly: and that is the result for both -f /dev/st0 and -f /dev/nst0 |
| 15:22.52 | enouf | Knight_Lord: # /dev/.static/dev/ is used by MAKEDEV to access the real /dev/ directory. |
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| 15:26.44 | jelly | Solak: strange. I have no idea what it means. ;-) ... 0x39000200 |
| 15:27.23 | suppaman | I'm using xorg with vesa driver on an unstable and mouse is very laggy, can it be due to the generic video driver ? |
| 15:27.35 | jelly | Solak: and what is the exit value of eg. mt -f /dev/nst0 rewind ? |
| 15:28.05 | jelly | Solak: this might all be quite ok I think |
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| 15:28.10 | dan2 | suppaman: yes |
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| 15:28.15 | amphi | suppaman: vesa is pretty basic, so perhaps |
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| 15:29.12 | enouf | suppaman: try 'top' to see whas up .. |
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| 15:30.05 | xingu | jelly: I'm willing to bet there's an unresolvable problem here; he should be using ide-tape-esque atapi tunnelled over sata transport; instead he has st bound |
| 15:30.44 | xingu | jello: and I bet there's no way forward for now while the drive is attached to a controller under libsata/libata's control |
| 15:31.03 | abrotman | xingu: doubtful |
| 15:31.19 | Solak | jelly: it appears to do nothing... |
| 15:32.21 | jelly | xingu: you're probably right |
| 15:32.22 | xingu | Solak: what's the actual drive version string from proc/scsi? |
| 15:32.25 | Solak | xingu: the tapedrive is attached to a 0000:02:0c.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3249 (rev 50) |
| 15:32.49 | Solak | Vendor: SONY Model: SDX-470V Rev: 0100 |
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| 15:32.59 | xingu | cheers |
| 15:33.01 | Solak | Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 |
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| 15:33.20 | xingu | that could easily be libsata lying to the scsi midlayer though |
| 15:33.26 | blazemonger | anyone here run servers on SID? |
| 15:33.35 | Ronin | blazemonger: seriously? |
| 15:33.40 | abrotman | blazemonger: why would they? |
| 15:33.42 | blazemonger | yah |
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| 15:33.49 | abrotman | put the crackpipe down |
| 15:33.52 | blazemonger | AbeLincoln dunno..more up to date |
| 15:33.56 | Ronin | blazemonger: maybe a home server if theyre feeling sadistic |
| 15:34.06 | blazemonger | abrotman:i've smoked too much pot |
| 15:34.10 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 15:34.15 | Solak | xingu: Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 according to /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 15:34.21 | blazemonger | so you'd stick with testing for combo of server+audio? |
| 15:34.29 | Ronin | blazemonger: most are likely sarge with backports thrown in if necessary |
| 15:34.29 | abrotman | stable |
| 15:34.42 | blazemonger | well if sid isn't made for servers why is ubuntu used with servers |
| 15:34.52 | abrotman | ask them .. they're the tards that made it |
| 15:34.55 | Ronin | blazemonger: same reason windows is |
| 15:34.59 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.10 | abrotman | blazemonger: just because you can .. doesn't make it correct |
| 15:35.19 | blazemonger | ok :) |
| 15:35.26 | pablo | hi, why is it said debian is not completely open? |
| 15:35.32 | blazemonger | i apologize for the stupid questions |
| 15:35.34 | abrotman | pablo: eh ? |
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| 15:35.39 | amphi | pablo: by whom? |
| 15:35.39 | Ronin | pablo: pardon? |
| 15:35.43 | xingu | ok, so it is a scsi-tunneled-in-atapi-on-sata-transport drive |
| 15:35.56 | abrotman | pablo: in what respect ? |
| 15:35.57 | pablo | RMS |
| 15:35.59 | xingu | now lets go looking if that's even possible at the moment on linux |
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| 15:36.09 | abrotman | pablo: Debian has a non-free section |
| 15:36.12 | stew | blazemonger: becuase sid gets untested pacakges uploaded to it daily, and doesn't get security support, whereas ubuntu releases use well tested packages and get security updates |
| 15:36.17 | pablo | he said the only completely free os are blag and ututo |
| 15:36.23 | Ronin | pablo: got a link? may becaus, never ind abrotman beat me to it |
| 15:36.35 | Daveman | Good day, abrotman. |
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| 15:36.49 | abrotman | pablo: debian has non-free sources that include binary crap things like nvidia and ati drivers |
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| 15:36.52 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 15:36.54 | stew | what is a tool i could use to rip a cd to one big wav + cue or flac+cue ? |
| 15:36.55 | amphi | pablo: and gnewsense presumably ;) |
| 15:36.57 | Daveman | :) |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | stew: vsound maybe |
| 15:37.09 | Daveman | Abrotman, how's the weather out there? |
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| 15:37.11 | suppaman | enof: cpu usage is pretty low |
| 15:37.12 | enouf | Solak: I know nothing about tape drives .. but maybe a update-pciids is in order, also ; for curiousity, if hal is installed, can you use lshal then / then scsi and perhaps even the lsscsi tool |
| 15:37.16 | abrotman | cold .. snow/sleet/rain |
| 15:37.32 | Ronin | abrotman: sounds like our local weather forcast |
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| 15:37.38 | suppaman | I've got a Nvidia TNT2, how should I procede to use accelerated driver ? |
| 15:37.51 | abrotman | Ronin: some guy called me from NS and said they weren't supposed to get anything |
| 15:38.01 | suppaman | I only used this machine with vnc but now I've connected a monitor and I'd like to use a local X server |
| 15:38.11 | stew | pablo: debian and rms have differing views on what it means to be free and what the definition of software is |
| 15:38.12 | _joey | is anyone using usb wifi on linux box? |
| 15:38.17 | enouf | suppaman: well . .. you want to see which app i topping out when using the mouse .. but anyways, what does lspci | grep VGA say |
| 15:38.32 | abrotman | !info vrms sarge |
| 15:38.38 | suppaman | enof: one mom, it's rebooting |
| 15:38.43 | abrotman | mom! |
| 15:38.44 | dpkg | vrms: (Virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.9 (sarge), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 15:38.45 | stew | pablo: for instance, debian doesn't believe that all of the software that is gnu is free, which is why you'll find stuff like the emace documentation in non-free |
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| 15:39.06 | stew | i wonder what vrms says about the emacs documentation |
| 15:39.06 | abrotman | gcc-docs are nonfree still IIRC |
| 15:39.13 | stew | yes |
| 15:39.21 | stew | and will remain that way |
| 15:39.25 | suppaman | enouf: I think it was the fact that I connected the ps2 mouse after boot, now I've rebooted and it's working fine in console (it was laggy with gpm too) |
| 15:39.30 | suppaman | I'm starting X now |
| 15:39.52 | h3sp4wn | quit |
| 15:39.52 | Solak | lsscsi reports: [2:0:0:0] tape SONY SDX-470V 0100 /dev/st0 |
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| 15:39.54 | pablo | stew: i also read he uses debian, so he might be identified with it |
| 15:40.24 | enouf | stew perhaps cdda2wav - a sampling utility that dumps CD audio data into wav sound files |
| 15:40.25 | xingu | Solak: humour me and just modprobe ide-tape? |
| 15:40.33 | stew | pablo: last i heard he said he would consider it if debian dropped the non-free repositories. i wonder if that is still tru now that we've moved stuff like gcc and emacs docs to non-free |
| 15:40.38 | xingu | Solak: then try your luck against /dev/ht0 |
| 15:40.40 | enouf | stew: though haven't tried myself yet ... |
| 15:40.41 | suppaman | is there a special protocol when using gpmdata device for mouse in xorg ? |
| 15:40.48 | Solak | xingu: that's not in the kernel. |
| 15:40.52 | suppaman | maybe it's a #xorg question |
| 15:40.56 | freetos | when is etch comming? |
| 15:41.08 | Solak | xingu: hmm, normally s-ata is scsi... but maybe not for cd-drives and tapes. |
| 15:41.10 | jjoseph | _joey, Not on this box, but the one at work. I used nswrapper. |
| 15:41.29 | jelly | xingu: ide-cdrom & ide-tape wouldn't work with libata anway |
| 15:41.37 | stew | enouf: which now seems to be icedax, i'm checking it out, thanks |
| 15:41.38 | abrotman | suppaman: are you using a console mouse ? |
| 15:41.40 | pablo | stew: so? there is no distro he can use |
| 15:41.45 | Solak | xingu: problem is that it appears to be experimental. |
| 15:41.50 | abrotman | pablo: he has a few to choose from |
| 15:42.00 | stew | pablo: didn't you mention 2? |
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| 15:42.17 | pablo | yes, but they are really bad |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | he can still use them |
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| 15:42.45 | xingu | Solak: are you using sata_via or pata_via driver? |
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| 15:43.24 | enouf | stew: ok .. was also just checking the manpages of cdda2wav for toc .. et al |
| 15:43.53 | Solak | xingu: SCSI_SATA_VIA |
| 15:43.58 | xingu | cheers |
| 15:44.05 | Solak | jelly: stable with 2.6.12.2 |
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| 15:44.48 | abrotman | stable with what? |
| 15:45.00 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 15:45.10 | _joey | I've got native driver running; I can't remember now what is. Problem with the wirless interface - it falls under heavy traffic in both directions |
| 15:45.30 | abchirk | thx abrotman :) |
| 15:45.34 | _joey | when only downloading or uploading - it's okay |
| 15:45.40 | _joey | oops |
| 15:45.42 | _joey | :) |
| 15:46.00 | Solak | abrotman: Debian Stable with kernel 2.6.12.2 |
| 15:46.08 | abrotman | where'd you get that kernel ? |
| 15:46.11 | LeFallen | Can anyone recommend a pci-x sata II card? |
| 15:46.25 | abrotman | for what? |
| 15:46.28 | Solak | abrotman: from kernels.org |
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| 15:46.30 | suppaman | abrotman: sorry for delay, yes I'm using gpm for console |
| 15:46.37 | suppaman | abrotman: and then I start X manually |
| 15:46.47 | abrotman | suppaman: just making sure you weren't using gpm data for no good reason :) |
| 15:47.05 | suppaman | abrotman: I like cli pretty much |
| 15:47.05 | ma3x | what's the mp3 lame encoder package name for debian? |
| 15:47.05 | enouf | suppaman: apologies : was busy .. I also use that card .. use drxx to choose the "nv" driver .. nice |
| 15:47.12 | suppaman | drxx ? |
| 15:47.14 | suppaman | neverheard |
| 15:47.16 | jelly | Solak: step 1. try a recent kernel. |
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| 15:47.25 | amphi | !drxx suppaman |
| 15:47.26 | dpkg | suppaman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:47.35 | jelly | Solak: I see fixes for SATA ATAPI tape drivers in 2.6.15 |
| 15:47.44 | jelly | s/drivers/drives/ |
| 15:48.14 | enouf | suppaman: the nv driver is completely open .. no binary blobs needed, no compiling nvidia crap necessary .. it's part of X11 and Xorg .. and works great for all 2D stuff |
| 15:48.18 | stew | enouf: looks like cdrkit only knows about cue sheets on the writing side, not the reading side |
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| 15:48.27 | stew | i might have to do this myself |
| 15:48.33 | suppaman | enouf: nope I want 3d acceleration :-) |
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| 15:48.46 | enouf | stew: hrmm .. wonder what mplayer has to say about all this .. |
| 15:49.04 | abrotman | ma3x: tehre isn't one |
| 15:49.09 | jelly | Solak: eg. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.15-rc7 |
| 15:49.11 | enouf | suppaman: you want to go from VESA to 3d acccel? .. lol |
| 15:49.12 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about lame |
| 15:49.26 | abrotman | !tell ma3x about debian-multimedia |
| 15:49.38 | suppaman | suppaman: I remember there were nvidia glx driver and a kernel module to compile |
| 15:49.49 | suppaman | lol I talked to myself |
| 15:50.12 | jelly | Solak: "[PATCH] fix libata inquiry VPD for ATAPI devices -- The following patch prevents libata from incorrectly modifying inquiry VPD pages and command support data from ATAPI devices. I have tested the patch with a SATA ATAPI tape drive on an AHCI controller. |
| 15:50.13 | suppaman | enouf: it was a matter of loading the kernel module and the "nvidia" x11 driver |
| 15:50.16 | enouf | suppaman: actaully .. I may try it myself just to learn the building process .. but for now, my system works, and it's going to stay that way :-) |
| 15:50.29 | enouf | suppaman: yep |
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| 15:50.43 | stew | i assume cue sheets are a simle format? it occurs to me that i've never actually seen one |
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| 15:50.46 | suppaman | enouf: my works too, I just want to see how many fps will Tremoulus run at |
| 15:51.08 | abrotman | stew: vsound will give oyu one wav file |
| 15:51.29 | stew | abrotman: will it have any idea when the track changes? |
| 15:51.41 | abrotman | you asked for one big wav! |
| 15:51.49 | enouf | stew: fwiw .. a CUE is just a text file listing contents/playlists/tracks and such .. like a TOC (table of Contents).. darn .. haven't been keeping up on terminolgy, nor a need to worry bout it |
| 15:51.56 | enouf | stew: AFAIK |
| 15:52.01 | xingu | jello, Solak: the thing that's troubling me is that I can see a whole bunch of typical block commands that are emulated within libata-scsi like mode sense etc; but critically things like REWIND and LOCATE just aren't |
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| 15:53.12 | Solak | xingu: hmmm, so it's probably not going to work? |
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| 15:53.54 | xingu | Solak: well, try a newer kernel, maybe it's those patches jelly's highlighted taking you to town; was the previous drive also sata? or was it pata? |
| 15:53.56 | Mokon | anyone here good with java swing? |
| 15:54.06 | stew | Mokon: try ##java |
| 15:54.11 | Mokon | ty |
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| 15:54.14 | enouf | stew some info at #4 here http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES .. but I'm sure there's much netter docs somewhere else .. like erm .. hydrogenaudio.org, etc etc (though windows centric), and manyother places |
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| 15:54.22 | enouf | s/netter/better |
| 15:55.07 | Solak | xingu: the previous was scsi attached to an AHA-2940UW card. |
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| 15:55.19 | suppaman | abrotman: do you know what Protocol should I pass with gpmdata ? |
| 15:55.35 | xingu | Solak: http://linux-ata.org/software-status.html <-- horses mouth; try 2.6.15+ |
| 15:55.41 | jelly | xingu: well, I'd hope if it detected ATAPI capable device it would just passthru all the scsi commands. I don't really have a clue about how atapi works. Or scsi, or scsi layers in kernel for that matter. ;-) |
| 15:55.53 | stew | enouf: yeah, thanks |
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| 15:57.01 | enouf | stew: no porb, also see #6 there, and also club.cdfreaks.com has a wealth of info about optical drives/media/usages, etc |
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| 15:59.32 | xingu | jelly: ... does it look like I do either? I just know enough to back my gut instincts and pick apart commented source |
| 15:59.36 | xingu | jelly: :) |
| 15:59.54 | xingu | jelly: it's the exuse to do so that keeps me interested in this place :) |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | suppaman: the same one you normally use AFAIK |
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| 16:00.00 | jelly | xingu: ah, good. I trust my google-fu. :-) |
| 16:00.39 | Solak | xingu: so, I should also add ATAPI TAPE support like with cd-drives? |
| 16:00.57 | xingu | Solak: just for good measure yes |
| 16:01.07 | xingu | aha! |
| 16:01.17 | xingu | modinfo libata - "atapi_enabled" :) |
| 16:01.36 | xingu | atapi mapping is handled in libata-core, now we're getting somewhere |
| 16:01.36 | Solak | then I guess I have to build a more recent kernel since that's in 2.6.12.2 "Experimental". |
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| 16:01.40 | jelly | probably no need to... libata + cdrom makes it use sr_mod |
| 16:01.56 | xingu | yeah, but just in case |
| 16:02.16 | xingu | I agree, it'll show up as a sr+sg device, the issue here is likely incomplete atapi support prior to 2.6.15 |
| 16:02.24 | jelly | Solak: definitely go 2.6.15+. there is 2.6.18 at backports.org |
| 16:02.55 | jelly | 2.6.20 is the latest. 2.6.19.2 and .3 work fine on my servers. |
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| 16:03.20 | WoodyWoodpecker | Where is the $MAIL environmental variable set? |
| 16:03.47 | WoodyWoodpecker | Normally it is /etc/loging.defs, but it doesn't set it for me. |
| 16:03.53 | abrotman | grep -R MAIL /etc/ |
| 16:04.00 | doublehp | after a file have been deleted under Linux of vfat volume, is there any easy way to revocer it ? mtools ? |
| 16:04.16 | Solak | sigh.. |
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| 16:04.46 | Solak | it means I have to re-remember how to deal with the fglrx module for my Asus/ATI X800 gfx card. |
| 16:04.58 | VImtermute | re-remember'd! |
| 16:05.02 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: i'll save myself the embarassment of pasting the results in here :) |
| 16:06.18 | suppaman | my gpm.conf has type=imps2 and repeat-type=raw so I think I have to use Protocol "ImPS2" |
| 16:06.21 | jelly | doublehp: there's a good number of undelete utilities for windows |
| 16:08.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: The MAIL environmental variable is not read from a file at startup. I wouldn't have asked otherwise. |
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| 16:10.18 | jelly | WoodyWoodpecker: is it set at all? |
| 16:10.38 | abrotman | jelly: echo $MAIL |
| 16:10.54 | WoodyWoodpecker | jello: Yes, to the default /var/mail/username |
| 16:10.56 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: man bash |
| 16:11.10 | jelly | WoodyWoodpecker: do you have pam_mail.so in /etc/pam.d/login ? |
| 16:11.15 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: doesn't say how it gets set though |
| 16:11.20 | xingu | Solak: there might be a simpler answer for you |
| 16:11.21 | WoodyWoodpecker | jelly: Yes. |
| 16:11.22 | suppaman | I wow! |
| 16:11.29 | suppaman | and wow again |
| 16:11.32 | jelly | WoodyWoodpecker: what seems to be the problem, then? :-) |
| 16:11.44 | suppaman | it's really fast now :-) |
| 16:11.45 | xingu | Solak: in src/linux/include/linux/libata.h - change #undef to #define for ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI |
| 16:11.47 | enouf | Solak: afaik .. most scsi cdroms will use sr_mod .. but I'm not sure what's changed if anything .. the /Documentation (especially devices.txt) a well as ide and cdrom categories may have that info .. ahh those guys are on top of it .. also see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto for shits and giggles |
| 16:11.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | abrotman: I read the manual of bash often before. |
| 16:11.52 | suppaman | it was _too_ laggy to be due to vesa server |
| 16:11.56 | abrotman | WoodyWoodpecker: it talks about $MAIL |
| 16:12.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | jelly: I don't know :-) |
| 16:12.42 | xingu | Solak: there's probably a reason why that was still a #define way back then though - and it was probably related to bugs... |
| 16:12.54 | suppaman | now the accelerated driver |
| 16:12.59 | suppaman | I think I should move to 2.6.x |
| 16:13.00 | enouf | suppaman: ? no more kryptonite? |
| 16:13.00 | doublehp | jelly not under Lin ? |
| 16:13.07 | suppaman | enouf: no more :-) |
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| 16:13.17 | enouf | suppaman: nv driver ..si? |
| 16:13.33 | suppaman | si ? |
| 16:13.51 | jelly | doublehp: first thing to do is stop writing to that partition and umount it, hope you're done that |
| 16:14.11 | xingu | Solak: alternatively (hi&thanks enouf) try the libata.atapi_enabled=1 boot arg trick |
| 16:14.15 | enouf | suppaman: grep "Driver" /etc/X11/xorg.conf will show you |
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| 16:14.35 | suppaman | I'm using nv actually |
| 16:14.48 | suppaman | and, of course, there's a default vesa section |
| 16:14.52 | jelly | xingu: I don't think libata.atapi_enabled= existed before say 2.6.16 |
| 16:15.07 | doublehp | jelly just MP3s, not to spend 4h; I never write on the part (disk dedicated to MP3) , just asking which tool under linux could help, if any. Otherwise, I dont mind. |
| 16:15.08 | jelly | oh, it did? |
| 16:15.11 | xingu | jelly: neither do I, I think I'm getting mislead by the page |
| 16:15.12 | enouf | xorllu: right -o .. ;-) though I think a newer kernel >=2.6.16 might be necessary .. especially for the udev stuff |
| 16:15.28 | xingu | jello: "first forget the sarge installer - its 2.6.8 kernel..." |
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| 16:16.03 | xingu | Solak: ok so least change is change src/linux/include/linux/libata.h:#undef ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI to #define... |
| 16:16.15 | jelly | doublehp: sorry, I don't know of one |
| 16:16.17 | xingu | Solak: recompile, reboot, and cross your fingers. |
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| 16:16.59 | jelly | xingu: if he's going to recompile anyway, might as well use a fresh kernel |
| 16:17.08 | enouf | xingu: jelly .. scroll down to DVD-ROM area and look at the mkinitrd needed for that install http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/linux/debian-gnulinux-on-dell-d620/ .. any info useful ? |
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| 16:17.32 | xingu | enouf: gut instinct is no, they're talking about a post-2.6.15 kernel |
| 16:18.02 | xingu | jelly: maybe, depends on the local constaints; maybe there's good reasons to keep the change footprint as small as possible |
| 16:18.10 | enouf | xingu: yep .. thats as i guessed to ;-) .. |
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| 16:18.55 | jelly | xingu: I don't think a machine with fglrx is a mission critical thing. ;-) |
| 16:19.09 | xingu | yeah ok |
| 16:19.11 | xingu | !win jelly |
| 16:19.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:20.03 | xingu | strangely enough gentoo was stuck on 2.6.12 for a while... |
| 16:20.20 | bzed | heh |
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| 16:21.01 | enouf | ma3x: are you still looking for libmp3lame.so or somesuch? |
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| 16:22.43 | daveb | i have a CPU overheating issue. I use powersaved, and if I run a CPU intensive process the CPU goes to 100% and gets very hot. the system does not reduce the cpu speed to lower the temperatue. Its a laptop with AMD Turion 64 |
| 16:23.04 | daveb | anyone have any experience using powersaved or any other app to manage the CPU speed. |
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| 16:23.58 | dan2 | abrotman: what's up man |
| 16:24.08 | dan2 | asg: ahoy |
| 16:24.29 | ruben | uhmm, since wich year linux uses MD5 as default for /etc/shadow? |
| 16:24.48 | xingu | daveb: I use cpufreqd also, do you have the appropriate powernow-k[678] loaded? |
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| 16:25.51 | daveb | is thre a kernel module for that? |
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| 16:26.10 | daveb | in/etc/powersaved/cpufreq config file i set powernow-k8 |
| 16:26.15 | daveb | everything else works. |
| 16:26.23 | daveb | ie: normal load the cpu throlttles down |
| 16:26.29 | daveb | when load goes up the cpu speed goes up |
| 16:26.41 | daveb | its just that if the load is very high, say encoding many mp3s |
| 16:26.52 | xingu | daveb: yep, that's it; can powernowd use a governor? if so, set it to conservative |
| 16:26.53 | daveb | the cpu stays at 100% and eventually overheats |
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| 16:27.06 | daveb | i'll check into that. |
| 16:27.07 | bzed | ruben: I think the sarge installer asked if you wanna use md5 and etch just uses it |
| 16:27.11 | daveb | maybe I should switch. |
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| 16:27.15 | dou213 | hello |
| 16:27.23 | dou213 | does somebody have a linux PDA? |
| 16:27.35 | bzed | daveb: well, if there's a chance that the cpu will overheat you need to change/fix your cooler |
| 16:27.44 | azeem | dou213: all Nokia N770/N800 users have |
| 16:27.53 | azeem | but maybe that's not the answer you're looking for |
| 16:28.08 | daveb | bzed: no its a laptop. it needs to slow down the cpu if it gets hot |
| 16:28.13 | bzed | dou213: there's the sharp zaurus, but that's a monster, not a pda ;) |
| 16:28.16 | daveb | i just need to find the code that will trigger that |
| 16:28.19 | bzed | daveb: no |
| 16:28.25 | xingu | daveb: you're looking at interplay between cpufreq scaling and governing; at a guess powernowd is doing governing directly in userspace by setting the powernow clock scaling and getting its maths wrong somehow |
| 16:28.51 | daveb | bzed: no? no what? |
| 16:28.58 | bzed | daveb: even a laptop HAS to cool the cpu enough to make sure nothign happens. slowing down is something the cpu does automatically when it really becomes too hot (which is nto supposed no happen at all) |
| 16:29.01 | dou213 | w8, checking it out... i've read about zaurus, why is it a monster? too big? |
| 16:29.02 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 16:29.03 | daveb | xingu: thanks. I'll hav to lok into it. |
| 16:29.04 | xingu | daveb: the cpufreq ondemand or conservative governor will do the same job (scaling frequency vs load) but in kernel space |
| 16:29.16 | Solak | ok, I'm going to compile a newer kernel... thanks for all the help so far!! |
| 16:29.22 | bzed | dou213: too big imho, and the batteries don;t run long enough |
| 16:29.27 | daveb | frequency vs. load works fine. |
| 16:29.31 | xingu | Solak: you got the last comments about the #define? |
| 16:29.40 | xingu | daveb: only on the rising edge ;) |
| 16:30.09 | daveb | well if load goes down it works fine. the fan is working correctly, ie: speeds up when necessary. |
| 16:30.24 | daveb | i have heard some folks say the fan doesn't turn on in some cases, but I don't have that problem. |
| 16:30.27 | dou213 | azeem, bzed, but if i wanted something to play linux while i'm out, what's better: nokia n770/n800 or sharp zaurus? |
| 16:30.29 | bzed | xingu: as far as I remember you can;'t fuck up the cpu frequency scaling, at least on amd and itel cpus it's limited what you can enter |
| 16:30.29 | daveb | I'll look into cpufreqd |
| 16:30.50 | xingu | bzed: you can get it wrong by leaving it on full bore even when you metrics are telling you not to though |
| 16:31.13 | xingu | bzed: and that's what I suspect is going on - it's getting the rising edge right and the falling edge very very wrong |
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| 16:31.40 | bzed | xingu: well, then the cpu runs on full speed, that's still nothign which is supposed to overheat it |
| 16:31.45 | daveb | xingu: the freq goes down when load goes down so that bit works. I just need to see if there is a temp trigger |
| 16:31.52 | xingu | aah, I see |
| 16:32.02 | Solak | xingu: yes, but I think that a newer kernel isn't a bad idea anyway... |
| 16:32.06 | xingu | daveb: well cpufreq also monitors acpi temp so yes that art already exist |
| 16:32.21 | bzed | daveb: i'd recommend powersaved instead of cpuyfreqd and the use of the ondemand governer |
| 16:32.29 | xingu | daveb: but to be honest there's a hardware fault here - have you got sufficient thermal paste and airflow? |
| 16:32.32 | bzed | powersaved monitors the temp, too btw |
| 16:32.56 | dou213 | azeem, that's exactly the answer i was looking for... just seeking devices on which i can install linux to play while i'm out |
| 16:32.59 | bzed | xingu: I liek it because it has a nice control in X ;) |
| 16:33.05 | xingu | they should be much of a muchness, I've just configured cpufreq and can't be arsed doing it all again |
| 16:33.11 | bzed | dou213: wait for openmoko |
| 16:33.25 | daveb | bzed: i'll have to see where to configure i never saw how to set ondemand governor |
| 16:33.28 | daveb | it appears to work. |
| 16:33.38 | daveb | ie: when demand goes up the freq goes up |
| 16:33.52 | bzed | daveb: no, you need to put some high load on your system, if it slows down/fails do to heat, you need to fix your cpu cooling |
| 16:34.16 | daveb | so the question is. is there any way to make the cpu feq go down |
| 16:34.17 | daveb | bzed: then this laptp is a piece of shit |
| 16:34.17 | xingu | so back to the hardware fault, if you can't run the system at full load and full fan indefinitely... it's either overclocked or undercooled or both? |
| 16:34.17 | bzed | daveb: put less load on it |
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| 16:34.29 | daveb | bzed: well |
| 16:34.30 | amphi | daveb: what cpu? |
| 16:34.38 | daveb | AMD turion 64 |
| 16:34.48 | xingu | bzed: can you teach powernowd to rein in the frequency once you hit overtemp? |
| 16:35.00 | xingu | bzed: it's trivial to do in cpufreq - just define the limit et voila. |
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| 16:35.07 | amphi | daveb: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq exists? |
| 16:35.25 | bzed | xingu: not, sure, I'm just using defaults, but it shuts down the system when it's _too_ hot |
| 16:35.32 | xingu | yeah, but that's undesirable. :) |
| 16:35.41 | daveb | yes |
| 16:35.42 | bzed | xingu: that doesn;t happen here :P |
| 16:35.43 | xingu | exploding dells, roasted wedding tackle, that sort of thing |
| 16:35.51 | daveb | mine shuts down |
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| 16:35.57 | xingu | when your wife says she wants you to set the bed alight on 14/2, that's not what she means |
| 16:35.59 | daveb | the reason i ask is |
| 16:36.08 | daveb | stuff like encoding mp3s or beagled |
| 16:36.11 | bzed | daveb: then there's something wrong with your system, except you live in the desert |
| 16:36.14 | daveb | run at 100% for an extended time. |
| 16:36.21 | daveb | bzed: could be |
| 16:36.37 | bzed | daveb: does your cpu cooler fan run? |
| 16:36.42 | daveb | bzed: yes |
| 16:36.49 | bzed | full speed? |
| 16:36.51 | amphi | daveb: you can use the sysfs iface to reduce the max freq |
| 16:36.52 | daveb | right now the cpu is at 800mhz and fan is on low |
| 16:36.57 | daveb | when it goes up the speed increases |
| 16:36.58 | xingu | daveb: thermal paste can be incorrectly applied to notebooks too; it's worth a little screwdriver molestation to find out |
| 16:37.10 | bzed | daveb: if the notebook is new, bring it back |
| 16:37.12 | daveb | ah i can check that out |
| 16:37.16 | daveb | its a year old :( |
| 16:37.19 | daveb | it was cheap though |
| 16:37.20 | bzed | daveb: is it a siemens? |
| 16:37.23 | daveb | acer |
| 16:37.28 | xingu | daveb: also, most of them like being slightly raised on a hard surface; if you're not using it on a desk, pop it on a tray or plastic folder |
| 16:37.45 | daveb | i did try that. did not help (enough) |
| 16:37.58 | bzed | daveb: we had a ton of the most expensive siemens models at work, they had SOLDERED the cpu cooper on the board. I think you all know what heat and solder will result in |
| 16:38.13 | daveb | oops! |
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| 16:38.18 | bzed | yes |
| 16:38.30 | bzed | daveb: btw, often there's just a ton of dust in older notebooks |
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| 16:38.45 | bzed | blockign the airflow inside |
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| 16:38.58 | dou213 | bzed, i've read that openmoko released their first linux-based smartphone last month ... can we prv? |
| 16:39.01 | daveb | hmmm it seems the cpu is actually touching the desk. afaict |
| 16:39.04 | daveb | need to take this apart to check |
| 16:39.12 | bzed | I'd open it and clean it while you're at it |
| 16:39.19 | GeorgeS069 | daveb: Antec makes nice little cooler pads for laptops that run off the usb power.works great for my pavilion zv6000 |
| 16:39.31 | bzed | dou213: yeah, we can. http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ |
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| 16:39.40 | xingu | daveb: get some rubber feet going or flip the plastic feet out if it has any |
| 16:40.58 | daveb | ok i took the memory cover off :) |
| 16:41.09 | daveb | there is a big heat sink under there. might be the cpu |
| 16:42.05 | suppaman | I'm actually running a 2.4 kernel made by hand, should I install nvidia-kernel-2.x.xx would I need to install a kernel package too ? |
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| 16:44.52 | jelly | hi. I need a working automount setup for sshfs, can't figure out how to make automount run mount.fuse / sshfs as user. This is my current /etc/auto.sshfs: http://paste.debian.net/21922 |
| 16:44.58 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:44.59 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 16:45.30 | h3sp4wn | suppaman: If you need a newer version backports.org has 81xx if I remember correctly |
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| 16:46.00 | Solak | xingu: hmm, I notice something in the mt-status: |
| 16:46.11 | Solak | General status bits on (1010000): |
| 16:46.13 | Solak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.32 | d0uglas_ | Western Digital hard drives: are they cool, or are they whack, insofar as not failing and losing sectors and being noisy? (versus maxtor and seagates) |
| 16:48.07 | suppaman | !etch |
| 16:48.07 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 16:48.19 | Solak | xingu: anyway, before building a more recent kernel than 2.6.12.2, I attempted to set ide_tape on which appears to work! |
| 16:48.22 | suppaman | !sid |
| 16:48.22 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:49.02 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: I'm tempted to try one-liner |
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| 16:49.15 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: does it matter that I'm on a hand compiled kernel ? |
| 16:49.37 | daveb | no that was the chipset heat sink |
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| 16:49.51 | Solak | it works! :-) |
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| 16:49.58 | daveb | the CPU hasa big copper thing that goes to a heat sink on the end of the case with the fan |
| 16:50.07 | Solak | I have succesfully backup/restored data :) |
| 16:50.09 | daveb | i took off the cpu cover and the temp went way down |
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| 16:51.14 | daveb | oh my |
| 16:51.15 | daveb | there is a vent |
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| 16:51.21 | g333k_work | Hi, how do I identify what device is my usb key? |
| 16:51.38 | bzed | daveb: is it dusty?broken? |
| 16:51.52 | daveb | that was covered by a piece of clear plactic |
| 16:51.53 | daveb | wtf |
| 16:51.54 | g333k_work | Hi, how do I identify what device is my usb key? I know is some /dev/sdXY device, but how do I know exactly which one? |
| 16:52.03 | daveb | that would limit the airflow |
| 16:52.07 | bzed | g333k_work: look at the output of dmesg after you plugged it in |
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| 16:52.19 | bzed | daveb: see, not a linux problem :) |
| 16:52.29 | daveb | temp is still going up |
| 16:52.29 | h3sp4wn | suppaman: no (it uses nvidia-kernel-source) |
| 16:52.37 | daveb | bzed: no i was just hoping there was a way to not shut down but just say |
| 16:52.43 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: so it should be fine |
| 16:52.43 | daveb | stop that :) |
| 16:52.49 | suppaman | I'm gonna trying then |
| 16:52.53 | daveb | interesting |
| 16:52.53 | h3sp4wn | suppaman: (as long as it can find the kernel headers) |
| 16:52.53 | bzed | daveb: it shuts down for a reason ;) |
| 16:53.02 | daveb | bzed: yeah but if it would slow down the cpu |
| 16:53.05 | daveb | it would cool off |
| 16:53.07 | daveb | for a bit |
| 16:53.08 | daveb | then |
| 16:53.13 | daveb | would not have to shut down. |
| 16:53.14 | Azar | hello honorables: Joey Schulze to give up on Debian Weekly News |
| 16:53.35 | Azar | http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2139 |
| 16:53.36 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: it can |
| 16:53.40 | g333k_work | bzed, another more exact method? |
| 16:53.46 | suppaman | (I hope) |
| 16:53.47 | bzed | daveb: if you do it early enough, yes |
| 16:53.51 | daveb | got up to 91c |
| 16:53.54 | suppaman | thanks |
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| 16:53.56 | daveb | i stopped the process |
| 16:54.01 | daveb | b/c that is pretty hot |
| 16:54.05 | bzed | daveb: that's _too_ hot |
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| 16:54.15 | daveb | yeah i thought so! |
| 16:54.16 | bzed | g333k_work: what do you want to do!? |
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| 16:54.45 | dou213 | thx bzed, bye |
| 16:54.45 | suppaman_ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:54.45 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 16:54.53 | suppaman_ | this is the actual machine |
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| 16:55.11 | bzed | suppaman_: you want to install kernel 2.6, though, a recent one... If I'm not wrong |
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| 16:55.19 | cbr | why doesn't the nvidia-kernel from unstable work with the xorg from experimental? |
| 16:55.22 | suppaman_ | I'm on a 2.4.something atm |
| 16:55.25 | cbr | does anybody know about that? |
| 16:55.35 | suppaman_ | 2.4.32 |
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| 16:55.54 | bzed | cbr: I'd try nvidia-(kernel|glx) from experimental |
| 16:56.09 | cbr | bzed: can't, my card isn't supported |
| 16:56.10 | bzed | cbr: if you need experimental for xorg ;) |
| 16:56.13 | bzed | uh? |
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| 16:56.30 | cbr | lates 9xxx series dropped geforce4 support |
| 16:56.31 | h3sp4wn | bzed: because they are different versions use nvidia-kernel-source from experimental (build with m-a) |
| 16:56.34 | cbr | *latest |
| 16:56.51 | bzed | h3sp4wn: not me |
| 16:56.54 | g333k_work | bzed, I want to mount it.. but before I have to know what device is it |
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| 16:57.04 | h3sp4wn | bzed: sorry |
| 16:57.05 | bzed | g333k_work: yes, look at the output of dmesg |
| 16:57.13 | bzed | h3sp4wn: np :) |
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| 16:57.22 | e-type | hi all |
| 16:57.25 | cbr | the nvidia driver is .o and for example the nv driver is .so, that might be the difference |
| 16:57.43 | bzed | cbr: uh? the nvidia driver is a kernel module |
| 16:57.43 | h3sp4wn | cbr: You need a matching nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel |
| 16:57.58 | HardDisk_WP | Hi |
| 16:58.01 | bzed | cbr: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 16:58.05 | suppaman_ | should I exit Xorg ? |
| 16:58.08 | HardDisk_WP | where does KDE locate the menu config?? |
| 16:58.08 | h3sp4wn | cbr: look at snapshot.debian.net for 9631 if you want that version |
| 16:58.10 | e-type | network trouble here: ifup "seems" to bring up my interface, but all hosts are unreachable. |
| 16:58.11 | cbr | h3sp4wn: i have them.. they worked fine, but the xorg 7.2 upload to experimental broke them |
| 16:58.13 | bzed | cbr: and after that, install nvidia-glx from experimental |
| 16:58.13 | HardDisk_WP | KDE 3.2 |
| 16:58.21 | enouf | heh .. all this sysfs stuff made me realize I had to mount my /sys after I inadvertantly did a umount -a a few days ago |
| 16:58.25 | Azar | gentlemen! the nvidia one-liner only applies to stable |
| 16:58.26 | e-type | if I set my interface manually, it works... |
| 16:58.36 | chops | e-type: Do you have a gateway configured? Can you post the output of 'route -n' in a pastebin? |
| 16:58.38 | h3sp4wn | cbr: Are you running xorg 7.2 ? |
| 16:58.43 | chops | e-type: Are you sure your network works? :-) |
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| 16:58.49 | bzed | cbr: or get xorg back to unstable or testing.... I mean, experimental MEANS experimental ;) |
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| 16:59.14 | cbr | bzed: i know, i am not complaining, i just wondered whether somebody knows what the reason might be |
| 16:59.29 | e-type | chops: yep, I can manually iwconfig, ifconfig and route add ... hosts are reachable then |
| 16:59.51 | enouf | naturally, i took notice of usbfs, tmpfs mounts and recreated them right away back then, but I forgot about sys ..hehe |
| 17:00.16 | suppaman | this vesa driver behaves oddly |
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| 17:00.38 | suppaman | I can see horizontal stripes of shadow |
| 17:01.12 | h3sp4wn | Azar: etch and sid both have nvidia-glx so it works on those also (other than the echo nvidia >> /etc/modules that won't hurt anyway) |
| 17:01.22 | e-type | chops: '$ route -n' output is exactly the same before (working) and after using ifupdown (not working) |
| 17:01.25 | suppaman | it seems like pixels have a long horizontal shadow |
| 17:03.57 | HardDisk_WP | where does KDE3.2 locate the menu config? |
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| 17:04.29 | Azar | !etch nvidia |
| 17:04.29 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php. |
| 17:04.49 | h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 17:04.55 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 17:05.24 | Azar | as about sid, whatever you please... is unstable anyways |
| 17:05.38 | suppaman | !unstable |
| 17:05.38 | dpkg | [unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 17:06.07 | suppaman | I shouldn't |
| 17:06.07 | suppaman | but I do |
| 17:06.07 | h3sp4wn | That etch nvidia thing has to be wrong as implies nvidia-glx etc are not in testing which they are now |
| 17:06.30 | bzed | uh? |
| 17:06.36 | bzed | it says it's in non-free |
| 17:06.43 | bzed | and an optional package |
| 17:06.47 | Azar | it IS non-free |
| 17:06.47 | h3sp4wn | look at !etch nvidia |
| 17:06.54 | h3sp4wn | (that is what I am refering to) |
| 17:07.03 | bzed | !tell me about etch nvidia |
| 17:07.17 | suppaman_ | building of nvidia-module failed |
| 17:07.21 | bzed | nvidia-graphics-drivers << that packages was indeed removed |
| 17:07.34 | bzed | suppaman_: under which kernel? |
| 17:07.47 | h3sp4wn | bzed: no |
| 17:07.54 | suppaman_ | 2.4.32 |
| 17:07.58 | h3sp4wn | apt-cache madison nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 17:08.09 | Azar | suppaman_: you should first upgrade your kernel to 2.6.8 version |
| 17:08.19 | suppaman_ | should I ? |
| 17:08.35 | bzed | h3sp4wn: hmm. apt-show-versions doesn't list it |
| 17:08.36 | jelly | Azar: 2.4.32 is newer than 2.6.8 I think |
| 17:08.44 | suppaman_ | I reverted to latest 2.4.x as I was using a 3rd party driver |
| 17:08.48 | Azar | suppaman_: apt-cache search kernel-image will give you a list, look for the kernel-image that applies to your cpu architecture (k7 is for amd32) |
| 17:08.49 | suppaman_ | for wireless card |
| 17:08.54 | h3sp4wn | bzed: nvidia-graphics-drivers is the source package |
| 17:09.04 | Azar | jelly: a 2.4 newer than a 2.6 ? |
| 17:09.10 | bzed | suppaman_: probably you just want to upgrade to etch ;) |
| 17:09.12 | jelly | Azar: yep. |
| 17:09.24 | suppaman_ | is it an upgrade from unstable to etch ? |
| 17:09.29 | Ronin | suppaman_: no |
| 17:09.31 | jelly | Azar: check the release dates |
| 17:09.33 | Azar | jelly: the support for 2.4 will be dropped in etch |
| 17:09.35 | bzed | h3sp4wn: the installable package is called nvidia-kernel-source |
| 17:09.54 | Ronin | suppaman_: it goes sarge/stable, etch/testing, sid/unstable currently at least |
| 17:09.54 | Azar | 2.4 are OLD kernels |
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| 17:10.24 | jelly | Azar: it is old codebase, but 2.4.32 was, I think, released after 2.6.8 |
| 17:10.26 | h3sp4wn | bzed: what is that to do with it - it always was nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source - but the fact is nvidia-graphics-drivers (source) is in testing |
| 17:10.33 | xand | yes it was |
| 17:10.42 | Azar | no shitting me, the newest kernel is 2.6.20 |
| 17:10.57 | Azar | we are looking at 2.6.21 to be released now |
| 17:10.59 | bzed | h3sp4wn: i thought that was an installable package soem time ago |
| 17:11.09 | bzed | suppaman_: which version shows dpkg -s libc6 |
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| 17:11.43 | Azar | sid with a 2.4.x kernel dammit |
| 17:11.47 | suppaman_ | Version: 2.3.6-7 |
| 17:12.00 | bzed | suppaman: that's not a recent version |
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| 17:12.15 | suppaman_ | m-a prepare has just updated it I think |
| 17:12.18 | suppaman_ | but I'm not sure |
| 17:12.20 | bzed | suppaman_: did you never run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade or are you stuck with sarge? |
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| 17:12.42 | jelly | bzed: 2.3.6 glibc is NOT sarge |
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| 17:12.56 | bzed | jelly: true, but it's also long ago in sid |
| 17:13.02 | suppaman_ | I run apt-get update from usually, but I never did an upgrade nor a dist-upgrade |
| 17:13.06 | jelly | bzed: 2006. |
| 17:13.07 | Azar | look at his sources.list see what he got there |
| 17:13.09 | suppaman_ | s/from// |
| 17:13.26 | bzed | suppaman_: update only updates package lists, you want to run apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade |
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| 17:13.52 | jelly | bzed: not that long ago either, October 2006 |
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| 17:14.16 | suppaman_ | bzed: I always fear that upgrade breaks everything |
| 17:14.19 | e-type | hm... pastebin.com pretty slow atm? |
| 17:14.24 | bzed | suppaman_: sounds like you want to upgrade your system at least ;) |
| 17:14.27 | bzed | !pastebin.com |
| 17:14.27 | dpkg | pastebin.com has been horribly slow lately, please use http://channels.debian.net/paste or http://pastebin.ca instead |
| 17:14.38 | suppaman | bzed: you know when it's working you don't touch it |
| 17:14.44 | bzed | hehe yeah |
| 17:14.45 | suppaman | wasn't pastebin broken ? |
| 17:14.49 | bzed | which wlan card are you using |
| 17:14.51 | suppaman | e-type: try rafb |
| 17:14.53 | jelly | suppaman_: if you fear upgrades you really shouldn't run unstable |
| 17:14.56 | suppaman | rt2400 |
| 17:14.56 | uwe | hello, im trying to build some package that requirce kernel source, so, on etch, i did apt-get install linux-source, but when trying to build, i always get "You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-3-amd64 kernel installed." |
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| 17:15.13 | bzed | suppaman: yeah, that pastebin author fool managed to write code which enabled other people to empty the database |
| 17:15.21 | suppaman | jelly: you're right but I happen to try unstable in 2001 or 2002 and haven't modified it since then |
| 17:15.39 | jelly | uwe: you need linux-headers-2.6.18-3-amd64 package |
| 17:15.52 | suppaman | jelly: I could install a stable but I should install from zero I think |
| 17:16.14 | suppaman | not that it's a production machine... |
| 17:16.17 | bzed | suppaman: just change your etc/apt/sources.list from unstable to etch or testing and you're fine |
| 17:16.18 | e-type | I illustrate my problem in http://pastebin.ca/355676 |
| 17:16.21 | uwe | oh |
| 17:16.25 | jelly | suppaman: I would change to testing and use that from now on. |
| 17:16.30 | uwe | thank you jelly ... |
| 17:16.42 | suppaman | isn't testing even farther than unstable ? |
| 17:16.44 | suppaman | !testing |
| 17:16.44 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 17:16.50 | suppaman | it isn't |
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| 17:17.04 | jelly | suppaman: unstable's the worst |
| 17:17.07 | bzed | e-type: you need to set your routes again |
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| 17:17.26 | bzed | e-type: if you do ifdown/up... you want to write that stuff into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:17.29 | suppaman | I have always been told that I couldn't go from unstable backward to stable so I tought that I couldn't go to testing either... |
| 17:17.42 | suppaman | I'd go for testing then |
| 17:17.45 | jelly | uwe: you usually don't need the source package to build 3rd party modules |
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| 17:18.07 | jelly | uwe: only the matching linux-headers-* one |
| 17:18.12 | bzed | uwe: tyhe source contains the headers, but linux-source will not untar the source, and it's probably the recent source and not for the kernel you're using. to build stuff the headers are enough usually |
| 17:18.28 | suppaman | is rt2400 supported on 2.6 ? |
| 17:18.32 | suppaman | I could easily switch |
| 17:18.41 | uwe | i see |
| 17:18.43 | h3sp4wn | suppaman: I would use rt2x00 |
| 17:18.55 | suppaman | this computer had an ISA ethernet card but ISA support was broken on 2.6 |
| 17:19.03 | e-type | bzed: the contents of my /etc/network/interfaces is the usual, I'll update the paste. this is the whole point: ifup/down breaks my interface, while I manually can configure it just fine |
| 17:19.07 | suppaman | but now I'm not using it anymore so I could just drop it |
| 17:19.23 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: is it a kernel module now ? |
| 17:19.37 | bzed | suppaman: there's a rt2400 and rt23400-source package in unstable |
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| 17:19.59 | e-type | bzed: paste updated: http://pastebin.ca/355683 |
| 17:20.05 | jelly | suppaman: is the card in question a PCI one? |
| 17:20.06 | h3sp4wn | suppaman: was it not always ? (anything later than 2.6.12 was really unreliable for me with the drivers based on the original ralink driver) |
| 17:20.24 | Gnurdux | incidentally, anyone know a good command to use to transform a file line by line? |
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| 17:20.34 | suppaman | bzed: I think they hanged up the computer |
| 17:20.39 | bzed | e-type: you want to change your key now ;) |
| 17:20.46 | Gnurdux | i could use sed, but sed doesnt seem to support running external commands |
| 17:20.48 | e-type | I noticed too late, lol :D |
| 17:20.52 | suppaman | jelly: which one ? |
| 17:21.01 | jelly | suppaman: thw wireless one |
| 17:21.03 | e-type | bzed: as you see, it's trivial... I don't know why ifup stumbles over it |
| 17:21.04 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: it wasn't in 2.4x |
| 17:21.09 | suppaman | jelly: yea |
| 17:21.20 | h3sp4wn | suppaman: Its definately not in the main kernel source at all yet |
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| 17:21.34 | jelly | !rt2x00 |
| 17:21.34 | stew | Gnurdux: while read line ; do ________ ; done < filename > changedfilename |
| 17:21.59 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: let me see in 3rd party sources |
| 17:22.15 | Gnurdux | ahh cool |
| 17:22.23 | jelly | !ralink |
| 17:22.23 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 17:22.44 | Gnurdux | could i do a pipeline to that? |
| 17:22.54 | Gnurdux | command | while.... |
| 17:23.03 | bzed | e-type: what's the output of iwconfig and route -n after ifdown/up ? what makes me wonder is that there seems to be one reply |
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| 17:23.35 | suppaman | jelly: it's pci |
| 17:23.45 | jelly | Gnurdux: if you're a shell lover, you can do command | { while read line; do stuff with $line; done } |
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| 17:23.51 | Gnurdux | aha nice |
| 17:23.53 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: I'm using rt2400-1.2.2 |
| 17:24.10 | suppaman | h3sp4wn: I think it won't compiler against 2.6 but I'm not sure |
| 17:24.18 | bzed | jelly: that should work withut subshell, too |
| 17:24.23 | suppaman | anyway there was a reason for not using 2.6 but actually I can't remember it |
| 17:24.24 | jelly | bzed: nope |
| 17:24.36 | suppaman | would it be easier if I install a 2.6 kernel from testing ? |
| 17:24.37 | waKKu | afternoon folks.. |
| 17:25.01 | h3sp4wn | suppaman: probably - then you can build rt2x00-source (with module-assistant) |
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| 17:25.04 | pipeline | Gnurdux: command | perl -nle |
| 17:25.09 | waKKu | someone can say me why debian keep unison (synchronize) package on non-free rep? this is GPL |
| 17:25.15 | bzed | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/355686 |
| 17:25.18 | Gnurdux | thnx |
| 17:25.20 | jelly | bzed: pipe forks off a new shell. that read would set the var and exit immediately. only way to do it is with ( ) or { } |
| 17:25.34 | suppaman_ | I have got this one in souces.list |
| 17:25.36 | suppaman_ | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 17:25.43 | suppaman_ | should I move this one to testing too ? |
| 17:25.45 | Azar | waKKu: your question is not clear? |
| 17:26.03 | rpc | hello folks |
| 17:26.03 | jelly | bzed: try it with dash |
| 17:26.18 | bzed | jelly: seriously, who uses dash :P |
| 17:26.36 | rpc | does anyone know the url for this nice port forwarding app? i once had it and completely forgot... can't seem to be able to find it anymore, it was open source and very easy to use |
| 17:26.48 | yang | Has anyone ever been on a vintage computer festival? |
| 17:26.57 | tonsofpcs | yang: no, but my basement might qualify |
| 17:26.59 | bzed | jelly: even the crippled /bin/sh from solaris can do it :\ |
| 17:27.07 | suppaman | rpc: port forwarding ? netcat ? |
| 17:27.11 | yang | tonsofpcs: hehe, where do you live? |
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| 17:27.24 | suppaman | tonsofpcs: your nick is pretty explicative |
| 17:27.31 | Azar | waKKu: the way I know it, Debian does NOT recommend non-free, but also does not prohibit the use of non-free |
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| 17:28.02 | rpc | suppaman hmm it wasn't netcat, that's for sure. the executable name was portfwd and it used to use .cfg files with stuff like {} |
| 17:28.02 | Azar | !ops Errow |
| 17:28.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: azar complains about: Errow |
| 17:28.05 | suppaman | I moved the (only) unstable row I had to testing, should perform a update & upgrade now ? |
| 17:28.19 | suppaman | rpc: can't help you sorry |
| 17:28.23 | daveb | i found thermal_critical thermal_hot thermal_passive in scheme_advanced_powersave |
| 17:28.23 | waKKu | Azar, hm.. i guess that non-free was packages without gpl license... isnt ? |
| 17:28.26 | RichiH | Azar: heh cycled three times |
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| 17:28.33 | stew | and not actually here |
| 17:28.34 | rpc | suppaman it's ok, thanks for trying though :) |
| 17:28.36 | suppaman | rpc: but with the executable name you should be able to find it |
| 17:28.38 | jelly | bzed: funny. I know I found a shell which didn't work well, could have been in woody. |
| 17:28.40 | daveb | thermal_passive is set to 98 |
| 17:28.40 | RichiH | Azar: that is not that bad, really |
| 17:28.42 | Azar | RichiH: thanks I thought gonna continue |
| 17:28.45 | stew | reverse cycled |
| 17:28.51 | daveb | i lied 93 |
| 17:28.56 | daveb | critical is 97 |
| 17:28.57 | RichiH | Azar: ah, yah |
| 17:29.00 | rpc | suppaman yes i'm digging around, possibly portfwd.sourceforge.net :) |
| 17:29.05 | RichiH | Azar: made sense at the time, i guess :) |
| 17:29.12 | Azar | waKKu: yes, that why Debian does not recommend the use of non-free |
| 17:29.13 | suppaman | jelly: why did you ask for the wireless card ? |
| 17:29.19 | GeorgeS069 | Azar: I was gonna say something too:) |
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| 17:29.37 | rpc | suppaman oh yes, that's it: http://portfwd.sourceforge.net/ <--very nice if anyone needs such app |
| 17:29.42 | daveb | they are all set to 0 |
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| 17:30.03 | bzed | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/355689 |
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| 17:30.36 | Azar | waKKu: people who know the issue, like me for example ( a simple user ) understand and try to stay within Debian guidelines |
| 17:30.51 | PDani | is it possible with ssh x forwarding the lossy compression of bitmaps? |
| 17:31.24 | dkr | how do I get icedove to open urls with iceweasel instead of epiphany? I've already configured iceweasel as "preferred application" for web browser in gnome config. isn't icedove a gtk app and should use that? |
| 17:31.48 | rpc | perhaps debian package maintainers would consider adding this tool to rep? http://portfwd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:32.23 | bzed | dkr: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 17:32.28 | bzed | dkr: run this as root |
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| 17:33.05 | dkr | bzed: ah, thanks |
| 17:33.11 | bzed | rpc: suggest it :) or package itr and find a sponsor ;) |
| 17:33.20 | jelly | suppaman: was thinking that http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ might point out the correct driver to use, but that wouldn't work if the driver isn't in kernel tree yet |
| 17:33.25 | rpc | bzed he he |
| 17:33.47 | rahul | PDani: no |
| 17:34.41 | waKKu | Azar, but this is the problem, unison IS GPL ... |
| 17:34.42 | dkr | How do I alternate booting between xp and debian with grub(like lilo -R)? I tried "default = saved" and both os stanzas have a "savedefault" line. I'm a bit confused by the grub docs. |
| 17:34.44 | cat | any one here is familiar with a gigafast wireless ethernet card? |
| 17:35.02 | Azar | waKKu: ah sorry I did not know what 'unison" is |
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| 17:35.50 | Gnurdux | hmm whats the shell equivalent of /t? |
| 17:35.52 | dkr | maybe I have to put "savedefault 2" in debian stanza which is 0. and put "savedefault 0" on xp stanza which is 2? |
| 17:35.59 | bzed | dkr: you could use grub-set-default or grub-reboot for that |
| 17:36.20 | waKKu | Azar, is a file synchronizer ... |
| 17:36.31 | Azar | ...for unix and windows.. |
| 17:36.33 | Azar | right? |
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| 17:36.52 | shafire | where can i get ruby 1.8.5 for debian? |
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| 17:36.53 | dkr | bzed: grub-set-default doesn't set the default for a sinlge boot, though |
| 17:37.02 | Gnurdux | how do you display a tab character in shell? |
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| 17:37.13 | daveb | does not seem to set anything |
| 17:37.21 | bzed | shafire: are you using sarge/stable or etch/testing? |
| 17:37.36 | bzed | dkr: grub-reboot should do this, though |
| 17:38.03 | shafire | etch/testing |
| 17:38.31 | bzed | shafire: apt-get install ruby1.8 |
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| 17:38.38 | dkr | bzed: hrm, that might work if I change my default reboot stuff to call that instead. but I found references to grub folks specifically adding code to savedefault to enable this ability to alternate OS each boot using saevdefault |
| 17:38.38 | shafire | but that is 1.8.2 |
| 17:38.47 | Azar | waKKu: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/unison |
| 17:39.09 | bzed | dkr: sorry, but I never used that, probably somebody else knows |
| 17:39.12 | e-type | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/355696 == ifup breaks it, ping prooves that, output of iwconfig and route ; restart my interface manually, works, ping prooves that, output of iwconfig and route |
| 17:39.18 | Azar | waKKu: if you use Debian stable just get it: aptitude install unison |
| 17:39.27 | shafire | http://packages.debian.org/testing/interpreters/ruby (bzed) |
| 17:39.34 | bzed | shafire: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get install ruby1.8 |
| 17:39.52 | bzed | shafire: look what i've said ;) |
| 17:39.53 | shafire | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/interpreters/ruby <-- unstable too |
| 17:39.54 | dkr | bzed: nod, but your answer di dhelp, I just have to figure out how to change gnome reboot command to call grub-reboot :) |
| 17:39.56 | bzed | shafire: http://packages.debian.org/testing/interpreters/ruby1.8 |
| 17:40.01 | shafire | oh ok |
| 17:40.11 | shafire | :D |
| 17:40.35 | bzed | dkr: gdm was able to do such stuff with lilo. no clue how that works with grub now, though |
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| 17:41.47 | daveb | i figured out i had to turn on KERNEL in the thermal setting for powersave and I changed the temps the fan kicks in. |
| 17:42.18 | daveb | it will turn the CPU down to 800mhz now if the temp goes up too high |
| 17:42.41 | bzed | daveb: that still shouldn't happen though, but good to have :) |
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| 17:43.07 | Gnurdux | wait is there any command that will make an input fixed length? |
| 17:43.08 | shafire | i can't find debian testing netinstall |
| 17:43.39 | bzed | shafire: you upgrade :) if you still need the installer, look into the topic |
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| 17:44.14 | shafire | bzed: okay :) |
| 17:44.26 | Azar | shafire: read the release notes for upgrade first |
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| 17:45.09 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 17:45.36 | Azar | upgrading with apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade will NOT perform magic |
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| 17:46.30 | bzed | Azar: unfortunately not, I'm still waiting for that ghose which is in that debian logo bottle to show up and massage my back |
| 17:47.06 | Azar | bzed: I want something way less pretentious: a wake up clock screensaver |
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| 17:47.22 | suppaman | anyway would you guys recommend a dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:47.28 | bzed | Azar: I think I've seen something like that, not sure where though |
| 17:47.35 | bzed | suppaman: in your case, yes |
| 17:47.39 | suppaman | I'm currently on unstable and have just changed source.list to point to testing |
| 17:47.41 | Azar | suppaman: for what you got on your PC no, never |
| 17:47.42 | suppaman | ok |
| 17:47.50 | suppaman | I'm confused now |
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| 17:48.04 | bzed | Azar: for an old version of unstable? why not? |
| 17:48.13 | Azar | suppaman: install Debian Sarge or Debian Etch from scratch |
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| 17:48.32 | Azar | bzed: because by now he got a messy vomit package mix in there |
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| 17:48.52 | Azar | dependency hell and whatnot |
| 17:48.53 | suppaman | Azar: can't I clean apt-get cache and update to testing ? |
| 17:48.57 | bzed | I'd give it a try, chances that it's not such a big mess are good |
| 17:49.14 | suppaman | I'd give a try if anything breaks up I'll install etch |
| 17:49.23 | Azar | suppaman: no, and you are way too new to stuff like that, you should get a clean Debian Sarge/stable install |
| 17:49.23 | suppaman | s/I'd/I'll/ |
| 17:49.53 | suppaman | I'm not that new but I never digged too much into things |
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| 17:49.56 | bzed | Azar: and then get backports to get his drivers working? |
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| 17:49.59 | suppaman | things simply worked |
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| 17:50.27 | bzed | Azar: there's not so much buggy on etch anymore that you can call it totally unstable |
| 17:50.29 | Azar | bzed: I am having that feeling that what he _already_ have there is a mess, adding up stuff will not get it any better |
| 17:50.44 | Azar | besides |
| 17:50.58 | Azar | doing a clean and correct install and configuration will not hurt |
| 17:51.05 | enouf | Azar: seeems even though unstable is/was in sources.list, he never upgraded from like 2002 |
| 17:51.23 | bzed | not 2002 but at least 5 months |
| 17:51.32 | bzed | or 4 |
| 17:51.36 | enouf | suppaman_: apt-get -s will do a nice test-run ;-P |
| 17:51.44 | Azar | enouf: I wonder how all those old packages, gcc, kernel etc... will react at new packages coming in |
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| 17:51.54 | suppaman | I installed a few thigns from time to time |
| 17:51.58 | enouf | Azar: maybe aptitude can help :-P |
| 17:52.00 | bzed | Azar: most of those packages from unstabel are in etch now |
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| 17:52.21 | suppaman | so dependencies upgraded a few things |
| 17:52.45 | bzed | I'd give it a try |
| 17:52.51 | Azar | suppaman: well, do it the hard way then: whatever you want until it breaks |
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| 17:53.34 | enouf | look if you're going to reinstall totally .. learn from the incoming breakage, and walk through it to understand it, then when fed up .. throw up hands and pop in new etch rc1 cd |
| 17:54.02 | enouf | suppaman_: just don't bother us :-P |
| 17:54.14 | enouf | suppaman_: go to debian.org and read read read |
| 17:54.18 | bzed | Azar: I'm runnign a mix of testing/unstable/experimental for years now, it normally just works, if not, I either figure out why or just downgrade to testing |
| 17:54.23 | suppaman | :-) |
| 17:55.52 | suppaman | I've just launched dist-upgrade |
| 17:56.16 | suppaman | anyway all of my data are on a a separated partition |
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| 17:57.14 | Eulex | how would I open up a new bash session with a specific directory set as the PWD? |
| 17:57.20 | arxidakis | hello everyone |
| 17:57.26 | arxidakis | is it easy to install debian? |
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| 17:57.46 | lowkey | arxidakis: yes. the new etch installer is a cake walk. |
| 17:57.46 | suppaman | Eulex: cd /your/directory/path; bash |
| 17:58.01 | arxidakis | are there any tricks like yum or yast? |
| 17:58.03 | Eulex | suppaman, oh. right. |
| 17:58.18 | enouf | hehe .. 10 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 928 not upgraded. |
| 17:58.20 | arxidakis | can i use yum with debian? |
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| 17:58.25 | lowkey | arxidakis: apt-get instead of yum. |
| 17:58.29 | lowkey | arxidakis: you could. |
| 17:58.39 | arxidakis | apt-get is something like yum? |
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| 17:58.46 | suppaman | arxidakis: the opposite |
| 17:58.51 | arxidakis | lol |
| 17:58.51 | bzed | arxidakis: no, yast is pain in the ass. and debian has something better than yum, called apt-get or aptitude or synaptis, whatever you like better |
| 17:58.53 | lowkey | arxidakis: apt is better than yu,. |
| 17:58.59 | lowkey | err yum. |
| 17:59.03 | arxidakis | i mean |
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| 17:59.10 | Coweater | it's called apt, those are front ends |
| 17:59.14 | rahul | yum is redhat's attempt at cloning apt. |
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| 17:59.19 | suppaman | Advanced Package Tool |
| 17:59.20 | bahadunn | does debian have any baby clothes? |
| 17:59.21 | rahul | failed attempt, but yeah |
| 17:59.25 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 17:59.29 | arxidakis | can i download and install software apps like the easiness that fedora gives me? |
| 17:59.29 | suppaman | I read that :-) |
| 17:59.31 | enouf | !tell arxidakis -about apt howto |
| 17:59.37 | lowkey | arxidakis: easier. |
| 17:59.42 | bzed | bahadunn: not sure, I'd just put it in my t-shirt *g* |
| 17:59.48 | lowkey | arxidakis: more packages in debians repos than fedoras too. |
| 17:59.48 | Coweater | bahadunn: probably some on cafepress somewhere |
| 17:59.51 | arxidakis | can i get vlc on debian? |
| 17:59.51 | arxidakis | :P |
| 17:59.52 | enouf | !tell suppaman -about selftell |
| 17:59.54 | lowkey | arxidakis: yep. |
| 17:59.55 | tdn | I have a problem writing to an NFS share. I have described my setup here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/?paste=377 |
| 18:00.02 | lowkey | arxidakis: over 20k packages for debian. |
| 18:00.02 | arxidakis | cool |
| 18:00.05 | enouf | suppaman: that was just from earlier ;-) |
| 18:00.08 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: "apt-get install apache" and you have a http-server up and running. Is that easy enough ? |
| 18:00.09 | bzed | arxidakis: apt-get install vlc, or start synaptics under x and click on install |
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| 18:00.17 | arxidakis | lol |
| 18:00.20 | fas3r | do you know if it's possible with nmap to scan a ip range example: 10.0.0.0 to 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 18:00.25 | arxidakis | what bout my wireless? |
| 18:00.34 | Eulex | suppaman, well, built-in bash commands doesn't seem to work in this case |
| 18:00.37 | lowkey | arxidakis: if it works in fedora it should work in etch. |
| 18:00.39 | arxidakis | i'm having some trouble with fedora |
| 18:00.44 | lowkey | oh. |
| 18:00.49 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: depends on the WLAN-chip |
| 18:00.50 | Azar | tell everyone about aptitude vs apt-get: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 18:00.50 | lowkey | then it will probably be about the same. |
| 18:00.51 | arxidakis | ipw3945 |
| 18:01.07 | bzed | fas3r: use the network addres, like 192.168.0.0/22 |
| 18:01.12 | arxidakis | oh man.. i used suse and it found it out of the box |
| 18:01.16 | suppaman | Eulex: make an example |
| 18:01.17 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: That ones easy: "apt-get install ipw3945" |
| 18:01.28 | arxidakis | hm |
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| 18:01.55 | arxidakis | xgl on debian? |
| 18:02.07 | chairmeleon | hey guys, and girls :) |
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| 18:02.23 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: nope, aixgl. |
| 18:02.30 | bzed | arxidakis: compiz works |
| 18:02.31 | arxidakis | what's that? |
| 18:02.33 | chairmeleon | first of all, happy valentines day :D I would appreciate some help =) |
| 18:02.35 | shafire | how can i look how big is my debian? |
| 18:02.39 | arxidakis | can i set it up easily? |
| 18:02.40 | Eulex | suppaman, I'm trying to set what will be in the screens of screen when I start it. I want it to open a certain directory automatically. screen cd foo in .screenrc doesn't work, and neither does screen PWD=foo bash or screen bash -c "cd foo" |
| 18:02.42 | shafire | installed debian how much hdd it use |
| 18:02.42 | Azar | chairmeleon: ask away |
| 18:02.46 | bzed | !win chairmeleon |
| 18:02.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, chairmeleon! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 18:02.49 | stew | shafire: df (or df -h) |
| 18:02.52 | suppaman | shafire: can you define the size of your debian ? |
| 18:03.17 | bahadunn | Coweater: yeah they got some |
| 18:03.19 | bahadunn | Coweater: thanks |
| 18:03.30 | bzed | shafire: my desktop.. uh.. 15GB probably, by server... 2GB |
| 18:03.36 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: again: it depends on your hardware. |
| 18:03.37 | chairmeleon | Yeah, this is the case. I'm not overly experienced with package compiling under Linux |
| 18:03.48 | chairmeleon | accustomed to the usual ./configure make make install routine |
| 18:03.49 | apk | Eulex: The screen man pages explains that. |
| 18:03.49 | jelly | Eulex: screen bash --init-file .custom-bashrc ? |
| 18:03.52 | enouf | pumpkin0: is ipw3945 in non-free or something? something diff than earlier ipw2200 and such? |
| 18:03.57 | bzed | chairmeleon: what do you want to install? |
| 18:04.06 | apk | Eulex: look for chdir |
| 18:04.11 | Eulex | apk & jelly, oh, thank you |
| 18:04.12 | arxidakis | i guess the easier way, is the hard way.. get it running on my machine and see how it goes |
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| 18:04.32 | arxidakis | up to now suse is one of the easiest distros out there for me |
| 18:04.40 | enouf | pumpkin0: fprget that .. I can check easily .. apologies for even asking something so simple to find out myself |
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| 18:04.47 | pumpkin0 | enouf: ipw2100 hasno firmware in the package, ipw3945 has everything in the package. And yes, it may be in non-free. |
| 18:04.49 | Azar | chairmeleon: if you use the stable Debian release there is no much to compile there... aptitude and dpkg do lots |
| 18:04.52 | Eulex | apk, yes, that seems to be what I want |
| 18:04.56 | chairmeleon | I'd need to deploy the EDE (Equinox) Desktop Environment on a bunch of very slow computers |
| 18:04.58 | enouf | pumpkin0: thank you |
| 18:05.02 | arxidakis | pumpkin ipw3945? |
| 18:05.04 | chairmeleon | and no, it's not in the repos |
| 18:05.09 | arxidakis | is that working on debian? |
| 18:05.28 | enouf | !tell arxidakis about reference |
| 18:05.37 | amphi | arxidakis: novell may not be able to distribute free sw for much longer ;) |
| 18:05.46 | arxidakis | srry guys major noob here |
| 18:05.48 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: yes. ipw3945 and all older ipw work. |
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| 18:05.53 | suppaman | Eulex: can't you cd before running screen ? |
| 18:06.19 | suppaman | enouf: thanks for the hint |
| 18:06.21 | bzed | chairmeleon: you want to create packages... probably using the checkinstall program will work for you, but it's not such a nice way to create packages |
| 18:06.33 | enouf | suppaman: which one? ..lol |
| 18:07.00 | enouf | suppaman: oh the selftell .. ok ;-) |
| 18:07.06 | suppaman | yes, the selftell |
| 18:07.06 | chairmeleon | bzed: Oh, how come it's..no nice? |
| 18:07.16 | arxidakis | is priv msging enabled here by default or do i have to reg? |
| 18:07.26 | Eulex | suppaman, I want different screens in screen to have different default directories |
| 18:07.28 | enouf | suppaman: /msg dpkg search <-- mucho info at your fingertips from following advice ;-) |
| 18:07.39 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: you have to reg. |
| 18:07.43 | bzed | chairmeleon: well tracing what make install does and copying the installed files into a package is not really the way to create good pacakges. often they work,m though |
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| 18:08.33 | arxidakis | pumpkin i was wondering if you could point me to a guide or some |
| 18:08.35 | enouf | arxidakis: please ASK in public first BEFORE pm0ing any members directly .. IOW, get their permission to .. also read the /topic |
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| 18:08.48 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: guide to what ? Installing etch ? |
| 18:08.50 | enouf | s/pm0ing/pm-ing |
| 18:08.54 | arxidakis | i'm srry guys, i'm quite frustrated |
| 18:08.56 | vy2wu | hi gang |
| 18:09.03 | arxidakis | install ipw3945 |
| 18:09.15 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: in debian ? or fedora ? |
| 18:09.17 | enouf | arxidakis: well .. start READING .. or you'll get barbie-smited |
| 18:09.18 | arxidakis | deb |
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| 18:09.38 | chairmeleon | bzed: Well, the thing is, I had troubles running configure && make. I'll grab some error output and give it to you later maybe? |
| 18:09.39 | enouf | close the mouth and open the ears :-) |
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| 18:09.51 | enouf | er eyes ;-) |
| 18:09.52 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: apt-get install ipw3945 + setting the right options in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 18:10.03 | chairmeleon | bzed: Perhaps you could tell me what I need to fix up then? would be very kind |
| 18:10.16 | bzed | chairmeleon: well, what's the problem? |
| 18:10.33 | chairmeleon | Well that's what I don't know exactly |
| 18:10.36 | arxidakis | right options? saying? |
| 18:10.48 | apk | Eulex: put chdir lines between the screen lines in your .screenrc |
| 18:11.01 | chairmeleon | configure finishes without issues. but make produces an awful lot of errors and quits with an Error : 2 message |
| 18:11.21 | bzed | chairmeleon: okay, copy the make output into a pastebin and show us |
| 18:11.27 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: usually 2 lines: "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp". More if you have WPA/WEP. |
| 18:11.29 | bzed | !tell chairmeleon about pastebin |
| 18:11.30 | arxidakis | also i had a problem on fedora and each time i didn't switch the wireless button on my system hanged on boot |
| 18:11.44 | enouf | arxidakis: ipw3945.sf.net .. and after READIN that nice short Debian reference, you'll know exactly how to find the accompnying docs on your local HDD after installing pkgs .. and then some |
| 18:11.45 | vy2wu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.55 | arxidakis | i have wpa |
| 18:12.02 | chairmeleon | yes I know of pastebin :D |
| 18:12.05 | stoned | modem |
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| 18:12.25 | olskolirc | ? |
| 18:12.40 | chairmeleon | bzed: I'm a longtime debian user, though I have rarely had to hunt software outside of the repos |
| 18:12.43 | olskolirc | ? |
| 18:12.50 | enouf | olskolirc: how informative |
| 18:12.56 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: 2 more lines: "pre-up wpa_supplicant -Bw -Dwext -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" and "post-down killall -q wpa_supplicant" |
| 18:13.07 | olskolirc | my irc keeps doing tha enouf when i log in anywhere |
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| 18:13.15 | enouf | haha olskolirc |
| 18:13.16 | arxidakis | without quotes? |
| 18:13.16 | Eulex | apk, yeah, figured. but have you got any idea how to set the screen that should be displayed first? is there any other way than just starting it as the last one? |
| 18:13.20 | vy2wu | can someone help with my needing to load modules for boot? |
| 18:13.25 | stoned | !ask |
| 18:13.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:13.30 | stoned | vy2wu: look up |
| 18:13.49 | arxidakis | is debian better than fedora? |
| 18:13.54 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: yes |
| 18:13.54 | vy2wu | thank you. |
| 18:13.59 | arxidakis | y? |
| 18:13.59 | olskolirc | SpamBlocker: Message from dpkg blocked. <<< what does that mean? I can't msg dpkg |
| 18:14.00 | arxidakis | :P |
| 18:14.04 | enouf | !lart arxidakis |
| 18:14.05 | stoned | arxidakis: my god has a bigger dick than your god. |
| 18:14.06 | Ronin | arxidakis: well seeing as this is #debian what do you think we're going to say :) |
| 18:14.19 | arxidakis | lol |
| 18:14.33 | chairmeleon | arxdakis: IMO, yes. It has been easier to use for everyone I have seen trying both debian and fedora |
| 18:14.39 | enouf | !be a reading barbie arxidakis |
| 18:14.41 | Ronin | olskolirc: isn't that you blocking a msg? |
| 18:14.42 | stoned | !why debian |
| 18:14.42 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 18:14.43 | arxidakis | i'm a stupid retarded noob , dunno anything bout linux |
| 18:14.57 | stoned | arxidakis: you said it, not us :) |
| 18:14.58 | apk | Eulex: put "next" on the last line of your .screenrc |
| 18:14.59 | arxidakis | and since windows sucked , i'm making my way in here |
| 18:15.06 | olskolirc | !xorg |
| 18:15.06 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 18:15.10 | bzed | arxidakis: if you ask the guys in #ubuntu if debian is better they'll do the same :P |
| 18:15.12 | stoned | what do you mean sucked |
| 18:15.17 | stoned | it continues the sucking |
| 18:15.28 | chairmeleon | arxidakis: even a 'stupid retarded noob', which we all were once, can cope quite well with debian |
| 18:15.31 | bzed | it's becoming worse |
| 18:15.31 | olskolirc | !get xorg |
| 18:15.32 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 18:15.36 | chairmeleon | stoned: lol :D |
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| 18:15.50 | arxidakis | ok guys just asking.. i'm downloading debian now |
| 18:15.52 | Eulex | apk, ah, nice, thank you |
| 18:16.02 | olskolirc | !xorg sarge |
| 18:16.02 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/, or ask me about <bpo> |
| 18:16.06 | enouf | !tell olskolirc -about selftell |
| 18:16.08 | arxidakis | souldn't take long with my 20mbps connection:p |
| 18:16.09 | stoned | I almost installed gentoo! |
| 18:16.32 | stoned | I let someone talk me into it |
| 18:16.40 | olskolirc | me too stoned |
| 18:16.40 | stoned | I bet I was brainwashed or something |
| 18:16.41 | bzed | arxidakis: get the recent installer for etch, though. link is up there ^^ |
| 18:16.53 | mfrisch | stoned: how many hours did you waste? |
| 18:16.53 | apk | stoned: Gentoo is nice until the first time something breaks. |
| 18:16.55 | arxidakis | where? |
| 18:17.00 | olskolirc | gentoo isn't any good? |
| 18:17.06 | rahul | stoned: you were stoned |
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| 18:17.06 | arxidakis | gentoo rocks |
| 18:17.12 | bzed | arxidakis: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:17.14 | olskolirc | i can't install it |
| 18:17.16 | Azar | chairmeleon: did you try to read the documentation of the application you want? |
| 18:17.17 | arxidakis | cool thnx |
| 18:17.18 | olskolirc | i want gentoo!!! |
| 18:17.19 | apk | olskolirc: Gentoo takes a lot of patience. It is a great way to learn Linux though. |
| 18:17.25 | stoned | mfrisch: I never got past gentoo.com |
| 18:17.26 | stoned | :) |
| 18:17.30 | Azar | hello mr stoned |
| 18:17.30 | stoned | or whatever the fuck it is |
| 18:17.31 | cydork | !gentoosmite olskolirc |
| 18:17.34 | rahul | gentoo is a great way to learn how NOT to have a linux system set up |
| 18:17.42 | stoned | The Great Azar: whats up |
| 18:17.44 | apk | olskolirc: Great for learning. Not so good for using. |
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| 18:17.58 | cydork | rahul: i will rather use linux from scrach than gentoo :P |
| 18:18.03 | mfrisch | rahul: exactly |
| 18:18.04 | olskolirc | really? |
| 18:18.06 | rahul | debian is a great way to learn how to have a linux system set up |
| 18:18.10 | Azar | rahul: btw someone should revise the dpkg factoid re: gentoo. links are 404 |
| 18:18.19 | stoned | rahul: debian is like.. sex |
| 18:18.23 | arxidakis | lol |
| 18:18.24 | stoned | you gotta have it |
| 18:18.24 | rahul | debian actually integrates *gasp* packages with each other |
| 18:18.26 | stoned | :) |
| 18:18.28 | cydork | stoned: only better :P |
| 18:18.30 | rahul | stoned: no, it's like love |
| 18:18.31 | Azar | stoned: news: dell sued by workers |
| 18:18.38 | stoned | whoah |
| 18:18.39 | stoned | link |
| 18:18.39 | rahul | love stimulates the same parts of the brain as cocaine |
| 18:18.40 | stoned | pleae |
| 18:18.43 | rahul | http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/02/14/love.science/index.html?eref=rss_topstories |
| 18:18.46 | stoned | Azar: linkit brother |
| 18:18.48 | cydork | rahul: snap out of it!! |
| 18:18.48 | Azar | ok let me look for it |
| 18:19.01 | amphi | Azar: this is more amusing, I expect: http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37629 |
| 18:19.11 | rahul | dell's stock is up 1.86% tho :P |
| 18:19.23 | rahul | 2 top execs leaving |
| 18:19.23 | stoned | man I quit just in time then huh |
| 18:19.47 | rahul | heh |
| 18:20.01 | rahul | I see no news about a lawsuit |
| 18:20.04 | stoned | I'm not satisfied with my system |
| 18:20.08 | stoned | I feel like its dirty |
| 18:20.10 | vy2wu | I have to add a module to debian for my ham radio AX25 packet radio system and then have it come up each time the machine boots, I am running debian sarge. |
| 18:20.13 | arxidakis | oh btw |
| 18:20.20 | vy2wu | Is this more specific |
| 18:20.22 | stoned | I need to clean out packages |
| 18:20.24 | rahul | I'll make you feel dirty |
| 18:20.25 | amphi | vy2wu: put the module name in /etc/modules |
| 18:20.27 | arxidakis | how i'm suppose to set up the grub loader? |
| 18:20.32 | arxidakis | on debian |
| 18:20.36 | arxidakis | was easy task on fedora |
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| 18:20.50 | stoned | vy2wu: now you have a better change of getting more responses |
| 18:20.50 | rahul | arxidakis: install the grub package and run grub-install |
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| 18:20.54 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: automagicly during install |
| 18:21.02 | arxidakis | huh? |
| 18:21.16 | stoned | why is it automagic |
| 18:21.21 | stoned | it should be automatic |
| 18:21.23 | arxidakis | i mean setting up other partitions to boot my other os'es |
| 18:21.25 | stoned | magic makes no sense |
| 18:21.30 | stoned | its dumb. |
| 18:21.44 | arxidakis | on fedora i was just editing my grub.conf |
| 18:21.49 | arxidakis | is it the same on deb? |
| 18:21.57 | rahul | what's a grub.conf? |
| 18:21.58 | vy2wu | so, the system will know where to go to get the ax25 stuff in /etc/modules? |
| 18:22.01 | wireddd | arxidakis: edit /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 18:22.02 | stoned | menu.lst stays pretty much the same |
| 18:22.07 | pumpkin0 | arxidakis: yes, that is possible. |
| 18:22.17 | suppaman | guys I'm off to prepare pizza |
| 18:22.19 | rahul | arxidakis: grub is the default in the installer anyway |
| 18:22.24 | rahul | suppaman: email me some |
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| 18:22.28 | arxidakis | yeah |
| 18:22.31 | vy2wu | I think it is hashed out in another file. I will check and come back |
| 18:22.32 | suppaman | apt is still downloading |
| 18:22.34 | chairmeleon | Azar: Oh yes. Can't get it to work |
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| 18:22.36 | stoned | rahul: not in expert install |
| 18:22.37 | arxidakis | cool |
| 18:22.39 | suppaman | rahul: mime breaks taste |
| 18:22.50 | olskolirc | !pdo |
| 18:22.50 | chairmeleon | anyone knows if there are binary .debs of EDE desktop environment out there??? |
| 18:22.50 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 18:22.54 | arxidakis | i'll be running debian hopefully tomorrow |
| 18:23.04 | stoned | !tell olskolirc -about !msg the bot |
| 18:23.09 | rahul | stoned: he's no expert based on these questions :P |
| 18:23.09 | arxidakis | just 1 ext3 for / and one swap right? |
| 18:23.10 | suppaman | arxidakis: you won't regreat it |
| 18:23.12 | stoned | !tell olskolirc -about msg the bot |
| 18:23.13 | wireddd | arxidakis: don't forget to do update-grub after you edit it |
| 18:23.14 | stoned | doh |
| 18:23.17 | suppaman | arxidakis: is your a greek name ? |
| 18:23.22 | arxidakis | lol |
| 18:23.23 | stoned | rahul: well yeah i mean |
| 18:23.25 | stoned | modem. |
| 18:23.26 | arxidakis | no:p |
| 18:23.27 | olskolirc | i can't get /msg from dpkg |
| 18:23.30 | olskolirc | says its blocked |
| 18:23.32 | rahul | suppaman: heh, all that encoding and decoding. |
| 18:23.32 | arxidakis | means bollocks in greek |
| 18:23.33 | arxidakis | lol |
| 18:23.44 | suppaman | rahul: I think tomatoes don't like it |
| 18:23.45 | stoned | no |
| 18:23.47 | stoned | it a Geek name |
| 18:23.48 | suppaman | see you later |
| 18:23.50 | stoned | muahah! |
| 18:23.53 | rahul | it's all geek to me |
| 18:23.57 | Ronin | olskolirc: what script are you running then? it looks as if your blocking it and not dpkg |
| 18:23.59 | arxidakis | funny |
| 18:24.00 | enouf | vy2wu: seen doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/AX25-HOWTO.gz ? |
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| 18:24.14 | stoned | enouf: whats goin gon |
| 18:24.30 | enouf | goon? .. lol |
| 18:24.32 | wireddd | olskolirc: are you registered with the nickserv? |
| 18:24.44 | enouf | stoned: |
| 18:24.56 | Ronin | wireddd: he's identified |
| 18:24.57 | Azar | stoned: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37632 |
| 18:25.25 | arxidakis | is debian still has that monotonous blue grub screen? |
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| 18:25.32 | slashb | hi |
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| 18:25.40 | Azar | btw stoned, googled "Dell sued" and my screen got filled from top to bottom :) |
| 18:25.41 | rahul | arxidakis: debian has the grub screen you configure it to have |
| 18:25.42 | arxidakis | i hated that |
| 18:25.48 | arxidakis | nice :) |
| 18:25.56 | rahul | grub is the same on redhat or debian |
| 18:25.59 | stoned | lol |
| 18:26.14 | stoned | grub is a worms |
| 18:26.18 | arxidakis | oh man, debian grub and bs.... |
| 18:26.21 | Azar | arxidakis: hey I use feh and I put a cool bg image on my screen |
| 18:26.21 | enouf | vy2wu: man modprobe.d and see /etc/modprobe.d/aliases for ax25 entires |
| 18:26.22 | Ronin | arxidakis: no idea who reboots often enough to see |
| 18:26.29 | stoned | and living things grub on grub |
| 18:26.31 | enouf | s/entires/entries |
| 18:26.33 | stoned | thus its called grub |
| 18:26.37 | arxidakis | lol |
| 18:26.40 | Ronin | debian grub and bs? hummm |
| 18:26.41 | arxidakis | lol ronin |
| 18:26.41 | slashb | uh, is it possible to use a DSL-router/modem with a wifi-router? i'm asking because my wifi-router doesn't have internet connection |
| 18:26.42 | graytron | Azar: "apple sued" filled even more |
| 18:26.59 | Azar | hehee not to speak of bigger fishes |
| 18:27.02 | slashb | (wifi-router also has a switch) |
| 18:27.08 | graytron | even microsoft doesn't beat Apple in being sued :D |
| 18:27.23 | graytron | haha |
| 18:27.31 | arxidakis | i'm just 1 km away from my dslam , soon i will be getting 20megs for 30 euros per month :P |
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| 18:27.50 | arxidakis | go go greece |
| 18:27.51 | arxidakis | :P |
| 18:28.11 | Azar | stoned: did you read the article? |
| 18:28.17 | stoned | hold on |
| 18:28.19 | stoned | where is the link |
| 18:28.29 | stoned | oh |
| 18:28.31 | arxidakis | the price is ridiculous.. i've searched arround and i couldn;t find such price for adsl2+ |
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| 18:29.00 | arxidakis | nothing to do with debian , but i'm happy bout it :P |
| 18:29.01 | petemc | slashb: if your dsl modem has ethernet, and the wifi router has an ethernet port that will make a dhcp request, it should work |
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| 18:29.20 | slashb | petemc: if not, what could be the reason? |
| 18:29.21 | stoned | thats a small article |
| 18:29.32 | Azar | stoned: click the link inside it |
| 18:29.37 | petemc | slashb: the reason for what? |
| 18:30.01 | slashb | for not being able to access the internet, although i did what you said |
| 18:30.06 | vy2wu | thanks enouf, just put it in the /etc/modules file. |
| 18:30.14 | petemc | slashb: i havent a clue |
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| 18:31.06 | rpc | do you know which package holds aclocal? can't find it |
| 18:31.17 | rahul | autoconf |
| 18:31.24 | rpc | thank you rahul |
| 18:31.25 | petemc | slashb: you may have just plugged the dsl modem into a port switch, which wont make a dhcp request |
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| 18:31.32 | petemc | erm, switch port |
| 18:31.36 | rahul | rpc: !dpkg find bin/aclocal, too |
| 18:31.52 | rahul | erm |
| 18:31.56 | rahul | one of dpkg or ! :P |
| 18:32.09 | rpc | oh that's really nice, so one can use !dpkg here to dig stuff? i had no clue :) |
| 18:32.16 | rpc | thought that's for ops only or so |
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| 18:32.23 | rahul | no, works for anyone |
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| 18:32.28 | slashb | petemc: hm... the dsl-modem/router is connected to that wifi-router (linksys wrt54gl)'s MODEM port (separate port, extra for modem) |
| 18:32.33 | Ronin | rpc: but /msg is prefered :) |
| 18:32.42 | Azar | woohohohoho!! "they claim they are not paid for time spent on integral and indispensable job duties that are necessary such as:..... booting the computer" << stoned! |
| 18:32.51 | petemc | slashb: right, that should work, checl the settings |
| 18:32.52 | Ki11Bi11 | thinking about a new/cheap mobo combo, maybe asus M2V-MX + Athlon 64 X2 AM2 3800, but will it run debian? |
| 18:33.00 | cydork | rpc: it's in automake afaik, try /msg dpkg find bin/aclocal |
| 18:33.04 | slashb | petemc: i'll do. thanks. see ya later |
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| 18:33.43 | Azar | Ki11Bi11: the newest on the market may be not so good idea: try conservative: six months old as the "newest" |
| 18:33.55 | rpc | thanks very much cydork |
| 18:33.58 | enouf | vy2wu: welcome .. no prob, others , I see now, already mentioned that to ya, thought from your comments , you already had done that (added to /etc/modules) |
| 18:34.10 | stoned | Azar: dude, I smoked a cig almost every hour |
| 18:34.19 | Azar | stoned: me too.. |
| 18:34.19 | stoned | I went to the bathroom all the time |
| 18:34.22 | Ki11Bi11 | Azar, yeah, i can't find any reviews |
| 18:34.22 | stoned | I hardly ever worked man |
| 18:34.34 | stoned | honestly in an 8 hour day, I worked maybe 3 hours |
| 18:34.37 | stoned | like real actual work |
| 18:34.40 | pingouin | Ki11Bi11: the cpu is ok, you have to check if the chips (lan, sound, sata etc..) on the mobo are suported by linux kernel, and mostly by the kernel in debian at installation, amha |
| 18:34.58 | Azar | stoned: well I work 12 hours out of 8, and real work but I go smoking often too |
| 18:35.10 | stoned | Azar: I don't smoke! |
| 18:35.15 | stoned | isnt that funny |
| 18:35.16 | vy2wu | Thanks for your help people!!! now I have to configure the ax25 stuff. |
| 18:35.18 | Azar | stoned: I do |
| 18:35.22 | stoned | I only smoked at dell cuz it was horrible |
| 18:35.27 | vy2wu | It looks like it knows it is there. |
| 18:35.29 | stoned | and I needed to get outside |
| 18:35.29 | vy2wu | ;73 |
| 18:35.31 | Ki11Bi11 | pingouin, would you run the 64 bit version of debian on it maybe? |
| 18:35.43 | stoned | man |
| 18:35.57 | Azar | Ki11Bi11: not sure there is a website with hardware specifics recommendations for Debian : however the general idea is: get conservative hardware |
| 18:35.57 | stoned | I have a lot of rar/zip files to extract |
| 18:36.28 | Ki11Bi11 | Azar, ok |
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| 18:36.36 | Azar | Ki11Bi11: most hardware drivers are non-free, proprietary software and Debian takes a very long time on trying to create a .deb version for them |
| 18:36.37 | pingouin | Ki11Bi11: i've try 64 bit version of debian, a while ago, everything was ok on my hardware, but...too complex to have the laters nvidia drivers working - i know it's bad.. - and thus i play Q4 or UT2K4..... |
| 18:36.53 | pingouin | Ki11Bi11: ..i've switched back to classic 32 bits version |
| 18:37.36 | Azar | stoned: smoking helps the numbers fall right on my brains... I work with tons of numbers |
| 18:37.45 | Ki11Bi11 | pingouin, did you notice any advantage to running 64? |
| 18:37.59 | Ki11Bi11 | pingouin, speed or anything? |
| 18:38.04 | stoned | I can't do #s |
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| 18:38.54 | pingouin | Ki11Bi11: i did not go so further, no benchmarked etc...just better to run the appropriate version of debian on a cpu that can handle it |
| 18:39.04 | enouf | cydork: yep |
| 18:39.05 | enouf | automake1.4: /usr/bin/aclocal-1.4 |
| 18:39.05 | enouf | automake1.9: /usr/bin/aclocal-1.9 |
| 18:39.07 | arxidakis | there are 2 dvds of debian.. which one? |
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| 18:39.46 | cydork | arxidakis: if you have a good net connection go for netinstall. |
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| 18:40.06 | stew | anyone know what is up with this: http://paste.debian.net/21925 ? |
| 18:40.23 | arxidakis | ok |
| 18:40.31 | arxidakis | how long would it take? |
| 18:40.37 | arxidakis | with 2megs? |
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| 18:40.46 | bonez39 | I have some trouble with localhost... telnet localhost 25 won't work..won't connect..but as ROOT it will.. per these links: http://paste.debian.net/21927 and /21926... |
| 18:41.27 | GeorgeS069 | arxidakis: rough guess would be about an hour |
| 18:41.33 | arxidakis | ok |
| 18:41.58 | GeorgeS069 | arxidakis: depends on what you choose to install |
| 18:42.22 | GeorgeS069 | more packages=longer download and install |
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| 18:44.29 | enouf | here's some goodshit for ya http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html |
| 18:45.21 | goodshit | k |
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| 18:45.37 | stew | goodshit: did you use vgchange to activate the volume group? |
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| 18:45.58 | enouf | stoned: you got the goodshit? |
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| 18:46.36 | goodshit | stew no |
| 18:46.42 | goodshit | should i do that stew? |
| 18:46.58 | stew | goodshit: yes, you can't get at anything in the vg until you activate it |
| 18:47.04 | goodshit | somehow i need to make a new lvm group |
| 18:47.13 | goodshit | how do i active it stew |
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| 18:47.45 | stew | goodshit: "vgchange -a y" will activate all known volume gruops |
| 18:48.05 | enouf | vgdisplay to see a list |
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| 18:48.08 | goodshit | i see :) |
| 18:48.17 | pngwn | 3~ |
| 18:48.38 | goodshit | stew |
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| 18:48.44 | goodshit | that only show the new HD in there |
| 18:48.52 | goodshit | but it doesn't see the old hd i put in |
| 18:49.10 | goodshit | [root@centos4 ~]# vgchange -a y |
| 18:49.10 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.18 | stew | centos? |
| 18:49.22 | stew | goodshit: are you running debian? |
| 18:49.31 | goodshit | they are almost the same |
| 18:49.36 | enouf | hah! |
| 18:49.38 | stew | what? |
| 18:49.46 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, got any replies to your problem? |
| 18:49.49 | goodshit | stew. help me yeah |
| 18:49.53 | stew | goodshit: please go to #centos |
| 18:49.59 | goodshit | ok thanks.. |
| 18:50.00 | enouf | been smokin too much of the badshit! |
| 18:50.06 | Ronin | heh almost teh same |
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| 18:50.13 | Ronin | that like a little pregnant? |
| 18:50.20 | enouf | hehe |
| 18:50.31 | GeorgeS069 | he must get his "shit" from the same dealer icann is using :) |
| 18:51.11 | cydork | heh |
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| 18:52.04 | bzed | !lart goodshit |
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| 18:52.31 | user123 | I booted into single usermode, how do I mount my filesystem read and write? |
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| 18:53.43 | fsmunoz_ | user123, mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 18:54.03 | user123 | fsmunoz_, with the "," ? |
| 18:54.06 | fsmunoz_ | yes |
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| 18:55.06 | Azar | mr Joey is really confusing me on his stance on Debian: first complains about Etch , now he is about to drop the DWN... |
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| 18:57.38 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, none yet..... |
| 18:57.45 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, glad if someone can help me with this |
| 18:57.58 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, I'll try, although I'm always getting disconnected. |
| 18:58.07 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, is that behaviour specific to port 25 ? |
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| 18:58.29 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, say, if you do it on port 22, does it behave normally? |
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| 19:00.19 | fsmunoz_ | ... |
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| 19:02.56 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, yeah, port 25 |
| 19:03.04 | fsmunoz_ | user123, if you said anything after my last question I didn't get it |
| 19:03.06 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, it really has to do with localhost too.... |
| 19:03.06 | fsmunoz_ | Ok |
| 19:03.07 | x_link | Can you just use one repository for Debian Etch? |
| 19:03.11 | fsmunoz_ | So, only port 25 |
| 19:03.15 | x_link | Seems like verybody is using the same repo, but from different places. |
| 19:03.24 | x_link | ftp.us.debian.org ftp.se.debian.org etc. |
| 19:03.30 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, if i do what to port 22? telnet localhost 22? |
| 19:03.35 | user123 | fsmunoz_, after your last question?? |
| 19:03.38 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, yes |
| 19:03.45 | fsmunoz_ | Or any other open tcp port |
| 19:03.47 | user123 | fsmunoz_, i was only asking about the "." |
| 19:04.03 | fsmunoz_ | fsmunoz_, what "." ? |
| 19:04.07 | fsmunoz_ | er |
| 19:04.12 | fsmunoz_ | user123, , what "." ? |
| 19:04.19 | fsmunoz_ | user123, it was a ',' |
| 19:04.22 | user123 | err i mean , |
| 19:04.28 | fsmunoz_ | Yes, it's like that |
| 19:04.45 | fsmunoz_ | user123, doesn't it work? |
| 19:05.08 | user123 | fsmunoz_, havn't tried it yet, going to try tommorow at school |
| 19:05.42 | pickcoder | x_link: you can use whatever repos you want, but I normally use http://ftp.debian.org |
| 19:06.05 | x_link | pickcoder: But is all of them stable, good, up-to-date ? |
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| 19:06.17 | pickcoder | !mirrors |
| 19:06.17 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 19:06.24 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, if I run 'telnet localhost 22' I get the same error...... |
| 19:06.28 | x_link | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 19:06.29 | x_link | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 19:06.35 | x_link | I use that pickcoder |
| 19:06.48 | fsmunoz_ | user123, ok. The comma separates options, that's why it's used to chain keywords after the -o option |
| 19:06.50 | x_link | !apt-spy |
| 19:06.50 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 19:07.14 | x_link | hrmmm didn't understand that apt-spy thing |
| 19:07.15 | fsmunoz_ | I'm getting tired of this bloody connection |
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| 19:07.19 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, what's the behaviopur in the other ports? |
| 19:07.28 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, however as root, 'telnet localhost 22' renders this > > fyrenice:/home/scott# telnet localhost 22 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.6 Protocol mismatch. Connection closed by foreign host. fyrenice:/home/scott# |
| 19:07.35 | pickcoder | x_link: any of the officially listed mirrors for Etch are ok. If you experience lag or issues with one, just change to another. |
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| 19:07.53 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ telnet localhost 80 |
| 19:07.53 | bonez39 | Trying 10.11.12.13... |
| 19:07.54 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, that's normal. What's the output as a regular user? the same? |
| 19:07.57 | pickcoder | x_link: apt-spy helps you locate a mirror close to you, for a specific release of Debian |
| 19:08.03 | bonez39 | that's for user on port 80 |
| 19:08.11 | bonez39 | anything as user renders that output... |
| 19:08.18 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, try to do it in the same port, 22 |
| 19:08.37 | xingu | bonez39: please also paste ls -la /etc/{hosts,resolv.conf,nsswitch.conf,host.conf} |
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| 19:08.40 | fsmunoz_ | telnet localhost 22 as normal user |
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| 19:08.45 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.52 | xingu | bonez39: I'd also quite like to see the contents of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:09.01 | x_link | pickcoder: Ok |
| 19:09.04 | moktod | quick question, redhat has chkonfig, gentoo uses rc-update...does debian have a similar tool? |
| 19:09.05 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, it could even be a hosts.allow thing, although I never saw it working with users. |
| 19:09.13 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, this is what I get >>> scott@fyrenice:~$ telnet localhost 22 |
| 19:09.13 | bonez39 | Trying 10.11.12.13... |
| 19:09.17 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, and do all tests with localhost |
| 19:09.31 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, that's how I am testing this...with localhost |
| 19:09.36 | x_link | pickcoder: all I know is the ftp." ".debian.org repo |
| 19:09.43 | bonez39 | xingu, here it is.... |
| 19:09.44 | x_link | I never seen any other repo. |
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| 19:10.09 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, does /etc/hosts.allow and/or /etc/hosts.deny have anything in them except lines beginning with a '#' ? |
| 19:10.30 | moktod | is there a tool in debian to help govern what service start what which run levels? |
| 19:10.39 | fsmunoz_ | moktod, update-rc.d |
| 19:10.51 | moktod | fsmunoz_: ty sir |
| 19:10.54 | fsmunoz_ | moktod, or some fronted to it... can't remember the name |
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| 19:11.00 | fsmunoz_ | !update-rc.d |
| 19:11.00 | dpkg | [update-rc.d] used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf |
| 19:11.17 | apk | moktod: sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:11.20 | fsmunoz_ | dpkg, tell moktod about rcconf |
| 19:11.20 | bonez39 | xingu, http://paste.debian.net/21929 |
| 19:11.31 | fsmunoz_ | moktod, you're welcome. |
| 19:11.39 | xingu | bonez39: there you go, chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:11.43 | xingu | err |
| 19:11.45 | xingu | nsswitch.conf |
| 19:11.58 | rpc | !dpkg aclocal |
| 19:12.05 | bonez39 | fsmunoz_, no, both those files are only all commented out |
| 19:12.07 | rpc | !aclocal |
| 19:12.11 | rpc | :/ |
| 19:12.20 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, ok, good, then it's not that... |
| 19:12.27 | rpc | i got autoconf installed but it still says aclocal is missing... |
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| 19:12.59 | rpc | oh wait that's automake... |
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| 19:13.21 | xingu | bonez39: any change after chmod 644 /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 19:13.28 | bonez39 | xingu, I run that ans the ls -la /etc/{hosts,resolv.conf,nsswitch.conf,host.conf} returns what looks like the same thing...what does chmod 644 change? |
| 19:13.41 | rpc | ..damn installed as well... how do you get aclocal to work on debian? |
| 19:13.48 | fsmunoz_ | bonez39, let me think... |
| 19:13.49 | xingu | bonez39: permissions - should be -rw-r--r-- now |
| 19:14.48 | bonez39 | xingu here's the permission now...-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 453 2006-09-18 09:34 /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 19:14.57 | xingu | bonez39: ... good; now re-test? |
| 19:15.00 | bonez39 | should the permissions be same for /etc/resolv.conf too? |
| 19:15.26 | xingu | bonez39: no, for you that seems to be a symlink; and the contents are fine providing the file is readable as your ordinary user |
| 19:15.31 | pickcoder | rpc: did you install autotools-dev? |
| 19:15.34 | bonez39 | xingu, well not 'telnet localhost 25' is working... |
| 19:15.39 | pickcoder | what about m4? |
| 19:15.43 | rpc | repeating my question - how do you get aclocal to work on debian? i can't find that package, got automake installed and still no aclocal :/ |
| 19:16.01 | rpc | pickcoder hmm i think not, let me try - thank you |
| 19:16.14 | bonez39 | xingu, telnet localhost [whatever port number] works now...just as with doing it as root |
| 19:16.30 | fsmunoz_ | gppd catch xingu |
| 19:16.32 | xingu | yay me. |
| 19:16.35 | xingu | now |
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| 19:17.03 | fsmunoz_ | How the hell did those files ended up with wrong perms in the first place is weird |
| 19:17.06 | rpc | pickcoder hmm autotools-dev is installed :/ |
| 19:17.09 | xingu | for bonus points, *why* does libnss decide that dns-search root of ".com" is a good idea when its busted like that? |
| 19:17.15 | xingu | and |
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| 19:17.28 | xingu | wtf is the com root doing handing out a 10-address answer to that query? |
| 19:17.51 | bonez39 | xingu, so, it's resolved now, or should be? |
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| 19:17.57 | xingu | fsck me, they are too |
| 19:17.59 | xingu | goddamn. |
| 19:18.03 | kevinl- | anyone have issues with java plugin on iceweasel / etch ? |
| 19:18.16 | moktod | strange...rcconf does not detect all services |
| 19:18.19 | xingu | bonez39: no, that's it, all done |
| 19:18.32 | moktod | had to manually change S to K in /etc/rc#.d/ |
| 19:18.35 | kevinl- | every time i try to load a java applet in iceweasel it cannot find the plugin .. the proper symlinks are there though :( |
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| 19:19.23 | xingu | bonez39: libnss is libc's gate from gethostbyname into whatever directory services you've configured; if it can't read its config file, evidently it fails, and then libc starts getting creative with burned in defaults |
| 19:19.43 | fsmunoz_ | kevinl-, what does "about:plugins" say? |
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| 19:20.08 | bonez39 | xingu, thanks a bunch |
| 19:20.09 | kevinl- | fsmunoz_: no plugins installed |
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| 19:20.19 | kevinl- | there should be a unixprint something or other showing up too |
| 19:20.34 | fsmunoz_ | kevinl-, something is wrong with your links then |
| 19:21.07 | fsmunoz_ | kevinl-, I have this: |
| 19:21.09 | fsmunoz_ | libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 19:21.10 | xingu | bonez39: why the .COM root has allowed localhost.com to be delegated, and why its owner thinks that an rfc1918 address is an appropriate answer, is totally beyond me |
| 19:21.16 | fsmunoz_ | in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
| 19:21.27 | xingu | bonez39: total violation of think globally, act locally |
| 19:21.35 | zinosat | hi, first experience with nfs. I can mount the share on ~/NFS but I can't "sudo ls ~/NFS" |
| 19:21.35 | x_link | Does anybody here have the 9xxx driver for nvidia in there repos? |
| 19:21.52 | xingu | bonez39: at least it highlighted that your host was busted I guess |
| 19:21.59 | x_link | I would want to get that, but I don't have it in my repo. |
| 19:22.02 | xingu | x_link: experimental |
| 19:22.02 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, it's probabbly squashing root |
| 19:22.19 | x_link | xingu: Experimental repo? |
| 19:22.22 | xingu | x_link: it's right there in the pool dir, yes |
| 19:22.24 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, i.e. root user perms are reduced to nobody |
| 19:22.39 | x_link | xingu: I don't understand. sorry |
| 19:22.45 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, there's "all_squash" on the server |
| 19:22.45 | x_link | I'm a newbie =/ |
| 19:23.08 | x_link | xingu: You mena the 9xxx driver or the experimental repo? |
| 19:23.17 | xingu | x_link: then you probably shouldn't be messing about with it, it's in experimental only for a reason |
| 19:23.39 | x_link | Okey |
| 19:23.42 | rpc | how to install aclocal? got these installed so far: libtool automake autoconf autotools-dev - and still no damn aclocal... |
| 19:23.54 | x_link | So I can't get the 9xxx drivers if I don't use the experimental repo. |
| 19:24.14 | rahul | rpc: apt-get build-dep <package-you-are-trying-to-build> |
| 19:24.20 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat: then all users are mapped to the anonymous user |
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| 19:24.37 | xingu | x_link: it's just not a good idea; the files themselves are trivially findable; if you're patient, they'll be pushed to sid eventually |
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| 19:24.54 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, I want to share /home/foo and mount it on the client using "bar" user |
| 19:25.15 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, you also can't do a ls without the sudo right? |
| 19:25.15 | rpc | rahul hm i'm compiling from source :/ |
| 19:25.29 | rpc | rahul and when i try to make it says i need aclocal 1.4 or above |
| 19:25.43 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, yep |
| 19:25.46 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, you want to mount it read-only, like a public access thing, or read/write? |
| 19:25.52 | rahul | ... |
| 19:25.57 | rahul | rpc: apt-get build-dep <package-you-are-trying-to-build> |
| 19:25.59 | x_link | xingu: I use Debian Etch |
| 19:26.08 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, "ro" is fine |
| 19:26.10 | x_link | xingu: But I understand what you mean and I appreciate your help. |
| 19:26.15 | bzed | x_link: if you don't ahve a very very recent nvidia model you don't need them |
| 19:26.18 | x_link | My Beryl would be better with those drivers.- |
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| 19:26.25 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, remove the all_squash thing, and simply give permissions to user "bar" (or one of it's groups) on the directory you're exporting |
| 19:26.33 | x_link | bzed: nvidia model? |
| 19:26.36 | x_link | What do you mean? |
| 19:26.40 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, also, "man exports". It explains the defaults on squashing |
| 19:26.42 | bzed | x_link: indeed, beryl would be better with the 9xxx series |
| 19:26.50 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, thanx |
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| 19:27.00 | x_link | bzed: That's why I want it =) |
| 19:27.02 | x_link | NVIDIA Driver Version: 1.0-8776 |
| 19:27.05 | x_link | I use that driver right now. |
| 19:27.05 | bzed | x_link: but there's no beryl in etch, are you using ubuntu? ;) |
| 19:27.24 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, hope it works. BYW, by default root has less privilidges than a regular user on a NFS share |
| 19:27.39 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, since root_squash is default, and all_squash isn't. |
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| 19:28.38 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, k |
| 19:28.39 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, ahh, for "ro" you can keep the all_squash... just do a chmod o+rx on the dir, to make it a puliv access thing. |
| 19:29.01 | fsmunoz_ | I.e. everybody and their dog will have read access to the mount. |
| 19:29.12 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, it's my home network, so should be no harm playing with it |
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| 19:29.19 | x_link | bzed: So I can't download it from any site or so either right? |
| 19:29.27 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, indeed, experiment at will. |
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| 19:29.32 | bzed | x_link: you didn;t answer me ;) |
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| 19:29.48 | x_link | I didn't see your question, sorry bzed =/ |
| 19:30.00 | x_link | bzed: I'm using Debian Etch, KDE 3.5.5 |
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| 19:30.05 | bzed | x_link: beryl is not in etch |
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| 19:30.15 | x_link | well |
| 19:30.17 | x_link | It says etch |
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| 19:30.27 | x_link | My repos says etch as well |
| 19:30.40 | x_link | Testing |
| 19:30.48 | xand | you must have non-debian sources then |
| 19:31.32 | bzed | x_link: well... you could add the experimental stuff and tell apt to stay with testing, but I'd just wait until it falls into unstable. I'm testing it the second time now, the first time it just made my X crash |
| 19:31.49 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, \o/ |
| 19:31.51 | xingu | eeeeexactly. |
| 19:32.04 | x_link | bzed: ok |
| 19:32.06 | xingu | both beryl and 9xxx-series nvidia drivers are etch backports fodder now |
| 19:32.26 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, works? |
| 19:32.32 | bzed | compiz works, but.. uh.. I don't like it |
| 19:32.34 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, yes |
| 19:32.45 | x_link | How can I see if Iuse etch or testing then? |
| 19:32.56 | x_link | Cause when I installed Testing it was the same as etch I believe. |
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| 19:33.04 | bzed | x_link: it is still the same |
| 19:33.14 | Gnurdux | how would i, in a shell script, get all the commands run to ignore SIGINT and SIGHUP but not have the script itself ignore em |
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| 19:33.15 | x_link | Ok... but you just said that I'm not using etch |
| 19:33.17 | fsmunoz_ | zinosat, ok. Remember that one of the good reasons to always sync the uids (manually or by LDAP) is that you can make the permissions works on NFS mounts in a consistent fashion |
| 19:33.22 | bzed | x_link: but etch will be stabel one day and there'll be a new testing |
| 19:33.23 | graytron | x_link: cat /etc/debian_version (etch = 4.0 or so) |
| 19:33.27 | bzed | !tell x_link about testing |
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| 19:33.37 | rahul | Gnurdux: don't think you can |
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| 19:33.49 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, cool |
| 19:33.51 | graytron | x_link: it also happens to be testing currently :) |
| 19:34.00 | x_link | sedde@xlink:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:34.01 | x_link | 4.0 |
| 19:34.16 | graytron | x_link: so you are using etch, which is currently also testing |
| 19:34.21 | Gnurdux | basically have the script catch the signals |
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| 19:34.34 | x_link | graytron: Ok... |
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| 19:34.50 | x_link | But when it changes,.... which one will I use then? |
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| 19:35.38 | graytron | x_link: etch will become stable sometime this year |
| 19:35.49 | x_link | ok |
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| 19:36.04 | x_link | I heard that etch/testing has newer versions on programs |
| 19:36.12 | rpc | i'm really about to give up... wtf is wrong with aclocal? i can't find it anywhere and no package for debian has it |
| 19:36.17 | x_link | So if I still want to use the version I have now, should I change anything then? |
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| 19:36.37 | graytron | x_link: you could change all references to "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "etch" now |
| 19:36.45 | rpc | i'm only trying to make a portfwd tool and can't do that without aclocal installed |
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| 19:37.46 | xingu | rpc: automake1.9 ? |
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| 19:38.30 | x_link | graytron: I could change to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list to etch? |
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| 19:38.41 | x_link | That's two different thing =) |
| 19:39.02 | rpc | xingu hmm checking |
| 19:39.27 | rpc | xingu: automake is already the newest version. |
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| 19:39.52 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/355836 |
| 19:39.55 | xingu | rpc: /usr/bin/aclocal should be an alternatives symlink to either automake1.8's aclocal-1.8 or automake1.9's aclocal1.9 |
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| 19:40.02 | x_link | That's my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:40.26 | sewi | hello, where can I set public_html for apache2 in debian unstable? In debian sarge I could do it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but in debian sid it disapeared. any idea? |
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| 19:41.18 | Supaplex | sewi: /usr/sbin/a2enmod |
| 19:41.26 | xingu | rpc: maybe confmiss automake1.9 |
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| 19:41.27 | bzed | sewi: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.conf |
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| 19:41.31 | rpc | xingu so that could be an issue with the portfwd i'm trying to make, not that aclocal is missing at all? |
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| 19:41.52 | bzed | sewi: if it's not enable use what Supaplex said |
| 19:41.58 | xingu | rpc: no, that would be a problem with a busted automake1.9 package install |
| 19:42.02 | rpc | hmm aclocal: /usr/bin/aclocal |
| 19:42.07 | x_link | graytron: Did you see my sources.list? |
| 19:42.21 | rpc | WARNING: `aclocal-1.4' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your |
| 19:42.22 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.31 | rpc | sorry for the split |
| 19:42.49 | dkr | why do we have to put the major version number in the package name? why bother with version numbers at all then? |
| 19:43.07 | graytron | x_link: not yet. etch is the version you are currently using. testing has most of the time slightly newer versions than stable |
| 19:43.11 | xingu | dkr: so they can be installed concurrently. |
| 19:43.12 | sewi | Supaplex, bzed: thanks |
| 19:43.21 | x_link | graytron: Ok.... |
| 19:43.22 | zinosat | fsmunoz_, bye, and thanx alot for your help |
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| 19:43.30 | x_link | But should I leave it alone or should I change anything you think? |
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| 19:43.44 | Zaggynl | Can anyone help me with blacklisting some modules? They keep coming back! |
| 19:43.47 | dkr | xingu: running apache-1.3.x at the same time as apache-2.x would be a bit silly. they can't both listen on port 80 |
| 19:44.03 | silox | Hi, I have a problem with my laptop, a Dell Inspiron 8100. Both internal USB ports are broken so I have to use an external card. This works well but there is one problem, the internal USB ports gives this error "hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1" and "hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 2" over and over again in the terminal. I cant disable USB in BIOS.. Any ideas? |
| 19:44.07 | graytron | x_link: it depends whether you want to use "slightly newer" and "less stable" software, or the "to-be stable" software you have installed now |
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| 19:44.24 | graytron | x_link: which is also "slightly older" |
| 19:44.32 | chops | dkr: Having two cars in your garage is a bit silly -- the same person can't drive both simultaneously |
| 19:44.39 | x_link | graytron: So I use older versions now? |
| 19:44.51 | roe | so I was all excited this morning, it looked like etch was going to fall below 100 critical bugs... that dream was smashed |
| 19:44.54 | xingu | dkr: bad example; yes, they can both listen on port 80 - on different IP addresses |
| 19:45.00 | dkr | chops: that is an absurd anaology. you think someone is going to run apache-1.3x ont heir server during the day and apache-2.x a tnight? |
| 19:45.24 | xingu | dkr: and doubly bad - I've run such setups before; some applications bind far too tightly to the apache->jre stack. |
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| 19:45.50 | chops | dkr: I've used apache 1.3 for web serving, and a backported 2.0 for SVN on a different port, on a woody server |
| 19:46.13 | abrotman | ewww |
| 19:46.16 | dkr | chops: that can be easiyl done without having to rename the apache package apache2 for the newer version |
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| 19:46.26 | graytron | x_link: sarge is currently stable, so compared to sarge, etch has newer versions. but once etch becomes stable some time this year, testing _will_ have newer versions of software than etch, but only after etch is released (stable) |
| 19:46.30 | xingu | just wait till he finds himself in a pit of servlets, some hosted under jrun, some under tomkat |
| 19:47.01 | chops | dkr: I can easily install two versions of the apache package on the same server, and apply security updates to the older one while leaving the newer one alone? |
| 19:47.14 | x_link | graytron: hehehe ok |
| 19:47.21 | x_link | So I guess I would have to change to Testing then |
| 19:47.24 | x_link | When Etch changes |
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| 19:47.27 | xingu | s/tomkat/tomcat/ |
| 19:47.30 | shining | hi |
| 19:47.31 | chops | dkr: This conversation is silly; I'm going back to work. Best of luck with your prosletizing. |
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| 19:47.38 | x_link | If I do that then I will use the same Testing as I did when I installed it the first time |
| 19:47.43 | dkr | chops: I don't think that word means what you think it means |
| 19:47.52 | shining | I found this in my auth.log : Feb 13 13:13:53 nx7400 sshd[3918]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for sd-208.dedibox.fr failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! .. what does it mean exactly ? |
| 19:48.32 | x_link | graytron: Thanks for all help and support mate !=) |
| 19:48.32 | bzed | shining: just another one of those 10000 attempts to break into ssh |
| 19:48.35 | h3sp4wn | x_link: You probably don't want to do it straight away (Important stuff can be held up for a long time) |
| 19:48.44 | sewi | Supaplex, bzed: do you know a link where this configuration reorganization/changes is described? |
| 19:48.54 | stew | shining: someone is logging into your box using an ip address that reverse maps to sd-208.dedibox.fr, but sd-208.dedibox.fr doesn't have a forward dns mapping |
| 19:48.56 | shining | bzed: I know that's common. I also have several other attacks, but they don't have the above mesage |
| 19:48.59 | xingu | shingouz: it means that a third party is overly worried about name-based acl's and has enabled PARANOID behaviour in libwrap |
| 19:48.59 | bzed | shining: have a look into fail2ban, works very well, just make sure you don't lock yourself out |
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| 19:49.12 | davis | hello |
| 19:49.14 | graytron | x_link: np. sorry if i didn't make it very clear |
| 19:49.18 | shining | stew: that's anormal? |
| 19:49.25 | shingouz | xingu: huh? |
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| 19:49.29 | x_link | graytron: You did.. just me not understanding |
| 19:49.33 | davis | what is the tool used by debian to ensure passwords are not changed by users to simple ones? |
| 19:49.38 | x_link | h3sp4wn: So you say that I should stick witht he one I got now? |
| 19:49.38 | stew | shining: yes. its wrong to reverse map to an address that doesn't forward map |
| 19:49.40 | shining | bzed: I'll have a look |
| 19:49.58 | graytron | x_link: sarge will of course remain stable even after etch is released, but sarge will still have older software than etch, and eventually support for sarge will end |
| 19:50.07 | graytron | x_link: stable as in oldstable |
| 19:50.08 | ma3x | why when I go to audiocd:/ and then I try to copy mp3 from the audio cd and it doesnt work. not just mp3, ogg or flac dont work as well. whats the problem |
| 19:50.09 | xingu | shingouz: as stew says the message means that forward and reverse resolution of a given hostname to address back to hostname are incoherent; this would only be a concern if you were using name based access control |
| 19:50.15 | x_link | graytron: ok |
| 19:50.23 | x_link | So this Etch that I'm using now will be Stable. |
| 19:50.25 | bzed | sewi: loo at www.apache.org, -> httpd -> documentation for your version |
| 19:50.31 | x_link | But I want the version with newer programs. |
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| 19:50.41 | sidjster | get sid |
| 19:50.42 | h3sp4wn | x_link: No real point in changing until at least the new toolchain is in and everything is rebuilt with it |
| 19:50.49 | xingu | shingouz: the behaviour comes from libwrap, and the relevant configuration statement is PARANOID in hosts_access |
| 19:50.56 | shingouz | xingu: i think we have a messup here. i'll background myself again |
| 19:51.03 | x_link | h3sp4wn: I didn't mean to change now. When it's done and everything is changed =) |
| 19:51.13 | davis | when I try to change my password, (passwd) as a normal user, it gets checked to be sure its not simple. What tool is doing that? |
| 19:51.21 | ma3x | help please |
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| 19:51.42 | graytron | x_link: continue using "testing" then |
| 19:51.51 | dkr | davis: pam, I think |
| 19:51.54 | brendan___ | hello, does make-kpgk make kernel packages like the official debian kernels |
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| 19:51.56 | graytron | x_link: it might break and be less secure |
| 19:51.59 | dragan | i am trying to connect my sharp zaurus via usb to my debian box. some usb drivers seem to be missing. tail -f /var/log/messages shows "new full speed USB..." but does not load anything. any help would be highly appreciated! |
| 19:52.01 | h3sp4wn | x_link: testing is likely to be at its most broken just after the release |
| 19:52.03 | davis | dkr: thanks |
| 19:52.11 | bzed | davis: libpam-cracklib or libpam-passwdqc |
| 19:52.21 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Ok |
| 19:52.27 | x_link | So I shouldn't reinstall anything |
| 19:52.28 | brendan___ | i can never seem to build 3rd party modules(like vmware) with the kernels because the kernel source/headers never come out |
| 19:52.38 | x_link | Just continue using what I got now, with the installation that I use now. |
| 19:52.39 | x_link | Right? |
| 19:52.43 | shining | xingu: so this mean it probably doesn't come from there? it's a fake? |
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| 19:52.53 | x_link | And when everything has changed.. then I will notice that my version is pretty unstable ? |
| 19:52.55 | h3sp4wn | x_link: I would sources.list to etch instead of testing and wait at least a month or 2 |
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| 19:53.09 | bzed | brendan___: make-kpkg kernel_headers will build that package. but if you have the sources on your disk, you can just let vmware use them |
| 19:53.14 | x_link | ok |
| 19:53.20 | xingu | shingouz: which, the message? it's a valid message, but you probably want to look at sshd_config: UseDNS |
| 19:53.29 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Butmy sources.list are etch now |
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| 19:53.34 | x_link | All of them say etch, not testing |
| 19:53.38 | stew | shining: no, most likely this means that either the reverse mapping for the ip needs to be changed. or that a forward mapping sd-208.dedibox.fr needs to be added |
| 19:53.40 | xingu | shingouz: and then ask yourself what trust metrics built around dns hostnames are worth anyway |
| 19:53.42 | shingouz | xingu: check your tabcompletion :) |
| 19:53.45 | sidjster | etch is testing |
| 19:53.45 | rpc | do you know which file holds info for checking stuff? so the configure produces output like: checking for working aclocal-1.4... missing <===in fact it's not missing |
| 19:54.06 | davis | bzed which is better? the first one or the second? |
| 19:54.09 | stew | shining: is dedibox.fr someone who should be trying to ssh to your machine? |
| 19:54.16 | shining | stew: no |
| 19:54.17 | rahul | rpc: it's hacked up by autoconf |
| 19:54.23 | bzed | shining: nothing you really need to worry about. better do something against ssh attack in general, either bei using iptables + hashlimit module or fail2ban |
| 19:54.33 | bzed | davis: no clue, sorry |
| 19:54.44 | rpc | rahul i'm really worried now, trying to solve this damn puzzle for the last 2 hours |
| 19:54.57 | ma3x | why when I go to audiocd:/ and then I try to copy mp3 from the audio cd and it doesnt work. not just mp3, ogg or flac dont work as well. whats the problem |
| 19:54.59 | h3sp4wn | x_link: Then you are fine |
| 19:55.00 | rpc | rahul i lost lots of time that i should use for another step of my work :/ |
| 19:55.04 | shingouz | xingu: good luck with that one. i do not drink beer -> if anything in my refrig looks like a beer it most probably is something else |
| 19:55.06 | rpc | damn aclocal shit |
| 19:55.06 | shingouz | ;) |
| 19:55.08 | davis | ok thanks |
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| 19:55.26 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Ok |
| 19:55.29 | knoxy | how can I do to install php5-pear with backports packages? |
| 19:55.34 | xingu | rpc: what distribution is this? |
| 19:55.44 | x_link | So I will just continue using the installation that I have nowö- |
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| 19:55.47 | x_link | now. |
| 19:55.49 | rpc | xingu Etch |
| 19:55.59 | xingu | rpc: dpkg-reconfigure automake1.9 |
| 19:56.06 | xingu | rpc: the link is built in its postinst |
| 19:56.13 | rpc | xingu there is a serious problem with aclocal and automake... both are there and both are reported as missing by portfwd make |
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| 19:56.21 | x_link | And when the new Etch or Testinmg ( the one with newere versions) has been out for like 2-3 months, then I can change to it to avoid all bugs etc. |
| 19:56.21 | sidjster | why in my /boot/grub is there menu.lst and menu.lst ? |
| 19:56.22 | rpc | xingu oh |
| 19:56.24 | xingu | aclocal is not an etch package |
| 19:56.29 | xingu | I dunno where you got that from |
| 19:56.29 | sidjster | menu.lst~ |
| 19:56.30 | x_link | "bugs", all this unstable stuff I mean |
| 19:56.51 | stew | x_link: its in the automaken packages |
| 19:56.58 | stew | x_link: (aclocal) |
| 19:57.04 | rpc | xingu didn't help... |
| 19:57.11 | x_link | stew: I didn't understand that. Byt ok =) |
| 19:57.16 | xingu | rpc: in that case try apt-get install --reinstall automake1.9 |
| 19:57.21 | x_link | I will just continue using this that I have. |
| 19:57.25 | rpc | xingu ok testing |
| 19:57.35 | x_link | I just hope they will hurry up with the 9xxx driver for Debian repo =) |
| 19:57.41 | x_link | I REALLY REALLY REALLY want it badly. |
| 19:57.48 | stew | 14:56 < xingu> aclocal is not an etch package 14:56 < xingu> I dunno where you got that from ; it comes from packages which provide the automaken virtual package, "apt-cache showpkg automaken" |
| 19:58.28 | rpc | xingu still no banana |
| 19:58.28 | graytron | x_link: you mean 3ware? i've had 3ware-9xxx driver in sarge since the beginning |
| 19:58.35 | davis | i need to disable a bunch of user accounts (audit comming) can I edit /etc/passwd so that they can not login now, but I can quickly renable them in future? |
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| 19:58.45 | graytron | x_link: beginning bein the release :D |
| 19:58.45 | rpc | stew hm |
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| 19:58.54 | xingu | rpc: does the file /usr/bin/aclocal exist? |
| 19:58.56 | xingu | rpc: and is it a symlink to /etc/alternatives? |
| 19:59.00 | x_link | graytron: hrmm ? |
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| 19:59.12 | graytron | x_link: are you talking about the 3ware raid driver? |
| 19:59.16 | x_link | graytron: I don't know.. somebody told me to get the 9xxx drivers instead. That Beryl would work better with it. |
| 19:59.23 | xingu | rpc: etc/alternatives/aclocal that is |
| 19:59.27 | x_link | graytron: I don't know. The latest nvidia drivers. |
| 19:59.29 | rpc | xingu yes, both are links |
| 19:59.41 | stew | rpc: what does "readlink -f $(which aclocal)" say? |
| 19:59.48 | graytron | x_link: i see. nevermind then |
| 19:59.51 | x_link | hehe ok |
| 19:59.52 | rpc | it's /etc/alternatives/aclocal and same for automake |
| 19:59.59 | x_link | But is yours the latest nvidia ones? |
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| 20:00.04 | rpc | stew checking |
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| 20:00.30 | rpc | stew it said /usr/bin/aclocal-1.9 |
| 20:00.32 | JordiGH | I forget. How do you tell X in xorg.conf about your monitor's size? |
| 20:00.43 | xingu | right, so that's all correct |
| 20:00.48 | xingu | rpc: now what specifically is the problem? |
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| 20:00.52 | rpc | right but it doesn't work :) |
| 20:00.57 | stew | rpc: so then you have aclocal installed. if your makefile is complaining perhaps it needs an older version. is there a config.log? |
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| 20:01.15 | rpc | xingu i'm trying to configure and make a portfwd tool on Etch... configure says that both automake and aclocal are missing |
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| 20:01.25 | rpc | xingu and it won't compile |
| 20:01.33 | stew | rpc: sometimes they need an older version which is why automake 1.4, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9 are all available |
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| 20:01.47 | rpc | stew so should i just install 1.4? |
| 20:01.50 | xingu | automake version hell, the ironing is killing me |
| 20:02.01 | stew | rpc: maybe? what does config.log say? |
| 20:02.02 | rpc | hm |
| 20:02.07 | rpc | let me check |
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| 20:02.31 | rpc | ACLOCAL='/home/vienna/portfwd-0.28/config/missing aclocal-1.4' |
| 20:02.31 | xingu | I'm guessing that tight binding to am1.4 is going to be the start of a very painful journey |
| 20:02.35 | tralala | the bdo appears to be down or is it just me? |
| 20:02.58 | stew | rpc: ok, its specifically looking for aclocal-1.4, so install automake1.4 ; and "update-alternatives --config aclocal" |
| 20:03.03 | sidjster | if you mkinitrd.img istnt that supposed to update menu.lst? |
| 20:03.07 | rpc | can't i just hack something and make it look for 1.9 then? |
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| 20:04.16 | stew | tralala: disk is full, its being worked on |
| 20:04.16 | stew | rpc: sure |
| 20:04.17 | rpc | stew thank you, trying that |
| 20:04.17 | abrotman | tralala: it's down .. i'm trying to delay the release! |
| 20:04.17 | tralala | abrotman, are you a release manager? |
| 20:04.18 | abrotman | do i look like an RM ? |
| 20:04.18 | stew | rpc: you'll have to rewrite the configure.in and re-autoconf it |
| 20:04.18 | xingu | he's trying to create an unholy mix between gnustep and beryl |
| 20:04.19 | xingu | just... one... more... package |
| 20:04.24 | tralala | stew, I see, thanks |
| 20:04.27 | rpc | stew thank you so much, that worked... even without update-alt |
| 20:04.27 | stew | rpc: its not going to be very easy |
| 20:04.29 | simonrvn | @ping |
| 20:04.30 | ravenbird | pong |
| 20:04.51 | tralala | abrotman, I repend for my stupidity |
| 20:04.55 | rpc | stew well it was very easy once i knew what to install... had no idea that i needed just the damn older package |
| 20:04.58 | abrotman | repent ? |
| 20:05.16 | rpc | stew i would love to hack that package to make it use 1.9 |
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| 20:05.52 | stew | rpc: change configure.in and you might have to fix stuff named .am |
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| 20:06.09 | stew | rpc: you should probably talk to upstream about it |
| 20:06.09 | rpc | damn make worked but no binary is produced |
| 20:06.16 | rpc | oh hmm |
| 20:06.21 | tralala | abrotman, repent |
| 20:06.25 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 20:06.27 | kiba | How to remove an item not fully installed or removed? |
| 20:06.36 | tralala | abrotman, so did my spell checker |
| 20:06.40 | abrotman | fully install it or remove it :) |
| 20:06.43 | stew | kiba: apt-get remove packagename |
| 20:07.37 | dkr | kiba: mayeb you want purge instead of remove |
| 20:07.55 | dkr | to also get rid of init scripts/config files |
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| 20:08.26 | abrotman | stew: how's the snow/ice? |
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| 20:08.48 | kiba | oh shit |
| 20:08.50 | rpc | that's really crazy... now it won't compile and there are no errors |
| 20:08.52 | stew | abrotman: its good. what is better is that the cabin i'm going to this weekend is getting 1-2 feet today |
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| 20:08.57 | rpc | what a crazy, damn, little shit that portfwd is |
| 20:09.04 | bzed | kiba: apt-get -f install often helps you ;) |
| 20:09.07 | rpc | 2+ hours lost because of it and still nothing |
| 20:09.20 | abrotman | stew: yay? |
| 20:09.29 | abrotman | stew: is it in upstate NY? or VT ? |
| 20:09.36 | bzed | rpc: link me again please? |
| 20:09.48 | rpc | bzed portfwd.sourceforge.net |
| 20:09.52 | stew | abrotman: Keene Valley, NY, in the Adirondaks |
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| 20:10.02 | abrotman | sounds fun if you like snow :) |
| 20:10.04 | dragan | i am trying to connect my sharp zaurus via usb to my debian box. some usb drivers seem to be missing. tail -f /var/log/messages shows "new full speed USB..." but does show anything being loaded. any help would be highly appreciated! |
| 20:10.08 | rpc | bzed it's cool and it was easy to compile on old debian but not on etch :/ |
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| 20:10.41 | abrotman | Ronin: walking who ? |
| 20:11.07 | Ronin | abrotman: myself home, damn fingers are refusing to type even semi-correctly today |
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| 20:11.36 | rpc | does anyone know of a tool to forward ports? other than portfwd? |
| 20:12.22 | rahul | iptables |
| 20:12.56 | stew | rpc: iptables / netfilter |
| 20:12.57 | kiba | wait...all my applications are still there |
| 20:12.57 | rpc | a simple port forwarder is all i need |
| 20:12.57 | abrotman | Ronin: oh |
| 20:12.58 | VImtermute | brb |
| 20:13.26 | rpc | hm i have never tried that with iptables, always used that portfwd thing |
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| 20:13.45 | rpc | got to learn something again it seems |
| 20:13.53 | rahul | not hard |
| 20:13.56 | rahul | just DNAT, right? |
| 20:14.00 | stew | yes |
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| 20:14.08 | rpc | no really, i'm not doing nat |
| 20:14.11 | rpc | not* |
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| 20:14.24 | rahul | it is NAT. you're translating the destination from one thing to another |
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| 20:14.46 | rpc | i need an app to listen on certain port and forward incoming connections to another host or at least same host but diff port |
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| 20:14.51 | rahul | DNAT can just translate ports |
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| 20:15.03 | rpc | hm |
| 20:15.04 | rahul | but why not have the daemon listen on both ports if it's the same host? |
| 20:15.20 | rpc | because i want to hide the port |
| 20:15.31 | rahul | uh... hide from what? |
| 20:15.34 | rpc | plus with mysql i can't really make it listen on both, even if i wanted to |
| 20:15.45 | rahul | if you're forwarding it, it's an open port |
| 20:15.45 | rpc | ok i just don't want mysql to listen on 3306 |
| 20:15.54 | riot | what could be the reason for x2x claiming "can not open display" after i try to start it remote via ssh -X? |
| 20:15.55 | Ronin | rahul: from the men in black of course |
| 20:15.59 | rahul | so don't have it listen on that port |
| 20:16.00 | rpc | and i have to make it there for some stupid php code that will not work otherwise |
| 20:16.04 | riot | it worked some days ago and ceased now :( |
| 20:16.18 | rahul | rpc: php can't use unix domain sockets? |
| 20:16.21 | rpc | rahul so i don't, please read above, i'm adding one more port for mysql just for some php shit |
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| 20:16.41 | rahul | if it's being forwarded from 3306, it might as well listen on 3306 |
| 20:17.09 | rahul | port 3306 will have the same behavior as if mysql was listening on 3306. |
| 20:17.11 | rpc | but i can easily turn it on/off |
| 20:17.12 | rahul | (because that's what you WANT for the php app) |
| 20:17.45 | rpc | i need that app to access mysql just once a day for 30-40s |
| 20:18.05 | rahul | so strange |
| 20:18.08 | rpc | and 3306 forwarding will be closed afer that |
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| 20:18.20 | heh_v_water | rpc, the php script is not on the mysql server? |
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| 20:18.27 | rpc | i don't want to change mysql port everyday especially as other apps will access a diff port, it's already setup |
| 20:18.34 | rpc | it's not, heh_v_water |
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| 20:18.44 | rahul | well, that's your punishment for using mysql and php |
| 20:18.51 | rpc | i know, i hate php |
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| 20:19.13 | rpc | and one day i will just rewrite that shit with perl |
| 20:19.19 | rahul | ... heh. |
| 20:19.21 | rpc | but for now all i want is a damn forwarder :) |
| 20:19.26 | tzafrir_laptop | any idea if there's a problem with the nickserv? |
| 20:19.38 | rpc | why can't it just compile, i nearly got it :/ |
| 20:19.43 | rahul | rpc: just use iptables. |
| 20:19.50 | rahul | DNAT it to the other port |
| 20:20.00 | rpc | yes i will try that, thank you rahul |
| 20:20.16 | rpc | i just wish i didn't loose 2+ hours on portfwd instead of learning dnat |
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| 20:20.22 | heh_v_water | rpc, better yet instead of getting all tricky, just make a firewall rule that locks out the outside world when not in use |
| 20:20.33 | pickcoder | rpc: you can setup a cronjob for iptables to open the port, redirect it, and then close it back |
| 20:20.37 | rpc | heh_v_water hm |
| 20:20.46 | rpc | you are right guys |
| 20:20.48 | rahul | or just have it accessible only from localhost |
| 20:20.54 | heh_v_water | right |
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| 20:21.08 | rahul | why can't php take a port number? |
| 20:21.17 | pickcoder | rahul: the external port can't be local only, if php isn't on the same host |
| 20:21.18 | rpc | i'm just having brain farts again today as i work under pressure a bit |
| 20:21.18 | rahul | the connect string should have a port number |
| 20:21.30 | rahul | pickcoder: but he seems to be indicating it's the same host |
| 20:21.39 | rahul | or only DNAT it from that specific IP address |
| 20:21.47 | tzafrir_laptop | port number? why not ue the mysql socket? |
| 20:21.54 | bzed | rpc: rewrite it with python |
| 20:21.55 | rpc | tzafrir_laptop hm |
| 20:21.56 | rahul | whatever host the php crap is running on |
| 20:21.59 | rpc | bzed he he |
| 20:22.01 | rahul | tzafrir_laptop: that would be too easy |
| 20:22.49 | bzed | rpc: just use that: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/483732 |
| 20:23.07 | rpc | bzed oh.. let me check |
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| 20:23.18 | bzed | rpc: there's probably some twisted code, which will make it insanely faster than insanely fast, but you probably jsut want to learn to use iptables |
| 20:23.19 | Cefixim | s |
| 20:23.29 | rpc | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth1 -p tcp --source 11.22.33.44 \ |
| 20:23.29 | rpc | --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.50:80 |
| 20:23.36 | rpc | that could work, right? just like that |
| 20:23.56 | rahul | something like that |
| 20:23.58 | bzed | rpc: -t nat needs to be before -A prerouting i think |
| 20:24.01 | rpc | i mean no nat there but i need prerouting |
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| 20:24.09 | rpc | mhm |
| 20:24.34 | pickcoder | If I'm not mistaken you have to use the nat tables for DNAT port forwarding |
| 20:24.41 | pickcoder | lemme look at my routing scripts |
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| 20:24.48 | rpc | bzed that python thingie is really nice, got to look at it someday too :) |
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| 20:25.12 | CharminTheMoose | what's the difference between libtermcap.a and libtermcap.so? |
| 20:25.12 | rpc | pickcoder i'm a bit of confused, possibly have to do some more reading |
| 20:25.21 | [Bart] | hi, a question. I want to use Apache2 on my debian etch (AMD64) , but with ldap authentication. But the apache 2 from debian doens't contain that module (should be there by default). And I can't find the package. Anybody who know what I need to do in order to get ldap authentication ? |
| 20:25.36 | pickcoder | yes, you need to specify the "nat" table |
| 20:25.37 | bzed | rpc: http://pastebin.ca/355901 |
| 20:25.45 | VIm_Enforcer | back |
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| 20:26.25 | rpc | btw i love this comment on that python source: We create solutions for which we hope there is a problem. :) |
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| 20:26.41 | rpc | bzed thank you very much, checking |
| 20:26.42 | Solak | rpc: hehe |
| 20:26.49 | rpc | pickcoder thank you too |
| 20:27.23 | x_link | How do I stop my X and KDE and kdm totaly? |
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| 20:27.26 | x_link | I want to kill it all? |
| 20:27.36 | amphi | !tell x_link about nodm |
| 20:27.40 | H2OyJaBoN | x_link, do u use a login mannager? |
| 20:27.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:27.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:27.55 | stoned | blowjob |
| 20:28.03 | stoned | http://irssi.org/scripts/scripts/blowjob.pl |
| 20:28.04 | x_link | H2OyJaBoN: I use gdm |
| 20:28.05 | sidjster | i love u |
| 20:28.07 | riot | why does x2x refuse with "error: can not open display"? |
| 20:28.07 | x_link | kdm sorry |
| 20:28.08 | stoned | secure blowfish |
| 20:28.09 | sidjster | its the best |
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| 20:28.23 | H2OyJaBoN | x_link, as root /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 20:28.34 | bzed | [Bart]: use http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authnz_ldap.html - it's in the normal apache included |
| 20:28.57 | cahoot | x_link: still haven't picked up the Debian reference? |
| 20:28.58 | anapivirtua | Night all. |
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| 20:29.11 | H2OyJaBoN | x_link, stop gdm service and press "alt+f1! to go a shel terminal |
| 20:29.17 | ubuntus | riot: it seems this distros have a lot of bags |
| 20:29.18 | ubuntus | haha |
| 20:29.18 | rpc | hm i wonder if it would be possible to apply the forwarding rule on the br0? |
| 20:29.22 | x_link | H2OyJaBoN: I use kdm |
| 20:29.30 | H2OyJaBoN | x_link, as root /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
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| 20:29.38 | x_link | cahoot: Debian reference? |
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| 20:30.38 | x_link | Thanks for the help H2OyJaBoN ! |
| 20:30.39 | [Bart] | bzed: thanks, I'm going to check this |
| 20:30.39 | H2OyJaBoN | x_link, no problem ! =) |
| 20:30.39 | rpc | bzed do you think that it would be possible to port forward on the br0 box that sends traffic to that box with mysql? just for this specific host and port |
| 20:30.39 | cahoot | x_link: yes - a good source of info on how to mangae a debian system |
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| 20:30.49 | bzed | rpc: definitely possible |
| 20:30.57 | rpc | bzed this rocks then, i will try it |
| 20:31.00 | x_link | cahoot: Where is that reference? |
| 20:31.05 | stoned | !xorg |
| 20:31.05 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 20:31.20 | rpc | bzed that way i don't even need to allow any packets on that box... they will get filtered on the br0 one |
| 20:31.38 | knoxy | I use a backports packages.. and I need php5-pear but in my packages list it isn't found.. How can I do to instal php5-pear with apt & backports? |
| 20:31.41 | riot | ubuntus: what are you talking about? That comment sounds pretty clueless. |
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| 20:31.45 | bzed | rpc: filtering ona bridge is always a cool thing :) |
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| 20:31.58 | rpc | bzed just realised about that lol |
| 20:32.03 | simonrvn | @ping |
| 20:32.03 | ravenbird | pong |
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| 20:32.12 | cahoot | x_link: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference - all googled for you |
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| 20:32.40 | rpc | bzed it's evil... i will cut all the damn traffic to boxes behind br0.. and allow only what i want there, that way i don't need a firewall on those boxes, right? like one centralized firewall... |
| 20:32.45 | rpc | hope it makes sense :) |
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| 20:33.56 | simonrvn | @ping |
| 20:33.56 | ravenbird | pong |
| 20:34.01 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 20:34.01 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:34.34 | stoned | I was playing ping pong in ding dang |
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| 20:35.42 | davis | fsck, i dorked with /etc/pam.d/common-password to make it use more secure passwords and now even though I have set passwd as root user for userid davis, I can not login as davis. |
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| 20:36.27 | asg | davis: login as root and undork it |
| 20:36.35 | asg | davis: if you can't, /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 20:36.45 | kiba | DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction. |
| 20:36.50 | kiba | what is that error? |
| 20:37.07 | davis | i am root, and I did pawwd -u davis and passwd newpass and still it says access denied for userid davis. |
| 20:37.48 | stoned | heh |
| 20:37.50 | stoned | undork |
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| 20:38.19 | davis | passwd -u davis, works, and then passd davis, "password updated successfully" |
| 20:38.30 | davis | but then when I try to ssh it says access denied |
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| 20:39.24 | peterS | davis: it says that before or after a password prompt? |
| 20:39.53 | davis | after i enter passwd |
| 20:40.05 | H2OyJaBoN | how to play wmn files on debian what codec do i need? |
| 20:40.37 | peterS | davis: then I'd check /var/log/auth.log on the server to see what's up |
| 20:40.53 | davis | i had to redit /etc/pam.d/common-password to be the default. |
| 20:41.03 | abrotman | !tell H2OyJaBoN about w32codecs |
| 20:41.16 | davis | i had uncommented out the first entry and changed it to #password required pam_cracklib.so retry=3 minlen=8 difok=3 ucredit=1 lcredit=1 ocredit=1 dcredit=1 |
| 20:41.30 | JordiGH | How do I view sgml files? |
| 20:41.40 | JordiGH | Aren't they for manpages? |
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| 20:41.50 | abrotman | sgml is for lots of stuff |
| 20:42.06 | peterS | davis: well, 'password' lines have nothing to do with ssh access, only password changing |
| 20:42.11 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any way to send some instant message to system screen/console? (even nobody is logged in there) |
| 20:42.17 | JordiGH | abrotman: So what views it? |
| 20:42.35 | peterS | JordiGH: you can view it with any text editor or pager. SGML is a markup language that might be turned into all sorts of things |
| 20:42.50 | davis | i changed back the common-password to password required pam_cracklib.so retry=3 minlen=8 difok=3 |
| 20:42.51 | JordiGH | Er, well, but what renders it? |
| 20:42.57 | peterS | JordiGH: your question is, in other words, too vague. turning SGML into some rendered form depends very much on what the SGML actually is in your case |
| 20:43.01 | davis | ill try to set passwd and then relogin. |
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| 20:43.55 | JordiGH | peterS: Ok, this is something like a manpage. Can I turn it into a pdf or an actual manpage? |
| 20:43.55 | peterS | JordiGH: one form of SGML is called HTML and it is usually rendered by web browser software. but that is only one form. I don't know what form you have. |
| 20:44.00 | peterS | JordiGH: is it DocBook? |
| 20:44.21 | davis | hmm. i did the change to commmon-passwd to use cracklib and then I changed my passwd. |
| 20:44.22 | abrotman | !sgml |
| 20:44.22 | dpkg | <bugg> It's like HTML on steroids. Except it doesn't have breasts. |
| 20:44.30 | davis | afgterwards, i could not login via ssh |
| 20:44.31 | JordiGH | <!doctype linuxdoc system> |
| 20:45.01 | asg | davis: did you install the libpam-cracklib package as the comments suggested? |
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| 20:45.09 | davis | yes |
| 20:45.11 | peterS | JordiGH: oh, LinuxDoc. insatll 'linuxdoc-tools-latex' and go from there |
| 20:45.42 | davis | i just tried to do it again. it says already the latest version. |
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| 20:46.11 | JordiGH | peterS: Thanks. Do you know if I can easily create a manpage from this? I'm actually packaging this thing. |
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| 20:47.00 | peterS | JordiGH: I don't know about "easily", it's a matter of learning the toolset, and in fact I haven't worked with linuxdoc much if at all. but you probably can, if you can find an appropriate stylesheet (DSSSL or other). |
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| 20:48.07 | Alam_Debian | I have gdmsetup returns "Could not access GDM configuration file." could someone tell me what files should be in /etc/gdm and what chmod mode? |
| 20:48.22 | JordiGH | peterS: Kay, thanks... |
| 20:48.26 | davis | any idea now? |
| 20:48.32 | stew | Alam_Debian: you have to run gdmsetup as root |
| 20:48.40 | Alam_Debian | I am |
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| 20:49.31 | asg | davis: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 20:49.42 | asg | davis: see if following that factoid produces a useful clue |
| 20:49.47 | tziku | hello, how can i replace all , with . from a file ? I have a lot of 0,22,8435,23,2345 and i want 0.22.8435.23.2345 |
| 20:49.56 | peterS | tr . , < file > newfile |
| 20:50.04 | tziku | thanks |
| 20:50.05 | peterS | err I mean, tr , . < file > newfile |
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| 20:50.30 | tziku | thanks :) |
| 20:50.37 | tziku | }{ love :))) =)) |
| 20:50.50 | bkankur | hello friends, i am getting error with usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy file not found.. from where can i download it.. even its not in /etc/X11/ directory..by mistake i have remvoved it from /etc/X11 directory. |
| 20:51.34 | asg | bkankur: /msg dpkg search ; #find the package that contains it and reinstall. /msg dpkg confmiss if that doesn't work |
| 20:52.09 | peterS | whoa it's asg. I haven't seen you for quite some time. don't know if it's a schedule issue or if you've actually been missing.. |
| 20:52.34 | abrotman | peterS: that's because you won't hang out with the rest of the degenerates in #-ot! |
| 20:52.40 | asg | peterS: not missing, just busy. Only been on early weekends lately and sometimes at this time from the pub ;) |
| 20:52.50 | peterS | abrotman: hmmm, valid point |
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| 20:53.07 | asg | peterS: how are you you, by the way |
| 20:53.18 | abrotman | apparently having less beer than you |
| 20:53.33 | stoned | what is this |
| 20:53.39 | abrotman | It's the master! |
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| 20:53.41 | stoned | does no one but me smoke pot in debian? |
| 20:53.46 | stoned | what the fuck is going on in this world. :( |
| 20:53.49 | bkankur | asg : thank you.. but i didnt get anything for secutirypolicy.. |
| 20:53.51 | peterS | asg: today it was 12 degrees F and I had to battle a 10-knot wind for a few miles on my bike. now it's up to 19 degrees and I'll be riding with the wind. so I'm doing great. |
| 20:53.58 | davis | is there a way to restart pam? |
| 20:54.02 | stoned | everytime its always talking about beer |
| 20:54.03 | sidjster | stoned i got sid working and compiled |
| 20:54.09 | stew | peterS: so the glass IS half full |
| 20:54.10 | stoned | sidjster: great |
| 20:54.21 | peterS | stew: definitely. and rising. |
| 20:54.28 | davis | oddly enough, if I restart sshd, set the passwd as root, then i can ssh as davis and login. |
| 20:54.32 | stoned | sidjster: it WILL break, I guarantee it |
| 20:54.40 | n3kl_ | Hi |
| 20:54.47 | davis | if i set the passwd sa user davis laer, it does not seem to work . |
| 20:54.56 | sidjster | i WILL fix it |
| 20:54.59 | asg | bkankur: on sid, it's in xserver-xorg-core. Should be the same in etch. Dunno for sarge offhand though. |
| 20:55.02 | stoned | sidjster: you compiled sid? |
| 20:55.02 | davis | for instance, i have password required ucredit=1 |
| 20:55.09 | stoned | wtf? |
| 20:55.10 | asg | peterS: :) |
| 20:55.11 | sidjster | yes i did |
| 20:55.19 | davis | supposedly that means it must have one upper character letter in the password. |
| 20:55.21 | stew | peterS: lets say i did a "svn cp svn://.../trunk svn://.../branches/foo" used the foo branch for a while, then abandoned it. now i want to create a new banch from trunk which also logically wants to be named "foo", what is my best option? |
| 20:55.21 | sidjster | why do you ask that? |
| 20:55.27 | bkankur | asg : thank you againn.. i am using debian 3.1r1 sarge |
| 20:55.29 | stew | peterS: (if you happen to know off the top of your head) |
| 20:55.47 | stoned | sidjster: allow me to quote the 25th letter in the english alphabet |
| 20:55.49 | davis | but i can set a password witout one upper char in it and then i can not longer ssh again. |
| 20:55.50 | stoned | "Y"? |
| 20:55.56 | asg | bkankur: you might want to install apt-file ; run apt-file update ; and then run 'apt-file search etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy' |
| 20:55.57 | stew | peterS: i DONT want to have to merge, i just want a fresh copy |
| 20:56.03 | asg | bkankur: that should tell you the package required. |
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| 20:56.10 | peterS | stew: remove the old, recopy. this can be done in 2 commits with the normal tools, or in 1 commit if you use mucc, which unfortunately for you I am not distributing yet |
| 20:56.19 | stoned | sidjster: you actually compiled the all the packages from source? |
| 20:56.25 | bkankur | asg : oohh..okey. not i got it. |
| 20:56.27 | Kerr | the swapfile i made doesn't seem to be big enough, is there a way to grow it? |
| 20:56.28 | imgrey | is it exists a way to receive notifications of important open bugs ? |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | peterS: maybe if you weren't so lazy! |
| 20:56.30 | stoned | sidjster: why aren't you running gentoo? |
| 20:56.36 | sidjster | because i have a very old basic setup and didnt need all the drivers i only have a 6gig hd on this box |
| 20:56.38 | abrotman | imgrey: you can subscribe to the bugs |
| 20:56.41 | bkankur | and do in need to purge that package or just remove it. |
| 20:56.41 | stew | peterS: how do i remove? |
| 20:56.48 | peterS | stew: svn rm svn:// |
| 20:56.54 | asg | bkankur: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
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| 20:57.01 | asg | bkankur: if that doesn't restore it, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:57.03 | stew | peterS: oh, why doens't "svn help" list rm? |
| 20:57.08 | stoned | sidjster: source compiles take up a lot more space than binary packages |
| 20:57.21 | sidjster | its huge |
| 20:57.24 | bkankur | okey. thank you. |
| 20:57.25 | stew | stoned: sometimes |
| 20:57.36 | peterS | stew: it's listed as an alias for 'delete' |
| 20:57.42 | stew | doh |
| 20:57.45 | sidjster | im new to this but i understand |
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| 20:57.51 | peterS | but I had to look to know that, I never call it delete |
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| 20:58.08 | stoned | stew: well you have to account for all the files generated plus the source, and the packages generated etc |
| 20:58.19 | n3kl_ | I am looking to install something that will manage my connections so that when I move from network to network, plugged or wireless, I can easily configure the connection. I have read some about ifplugd, laptop-net and whereami, but can't seem to find a comparison. Does anyone have any recomendations? |
| 20:58.21 | sidjster | i dont know anything about binary |
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| 20:58.35 | stoned | what I'm trying to understand is why someone would compile every single package on thier debian system from source |
| 20:58.39 | sidjster | did i make and error by compiling sid? |
| 20:58.39 | imgrey | abrotman, tnx |
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| 20:58.42 | stoned | it sounds impractical |
| 20:58.48 | stoned | might as well run gentoo then |
| 20:58.52 | Guerin | stoned: so they can run debtoo |
| 20:58.55 | stoned | lol |
| 20:58.57 | cahoot | n3kl: networkmanager perhaps? |
| 20:58.59 | imgrey | abrotman, how about kernel bugs ? ) |
| 20:59.08 | Guerin | having none of the benefits of either distro, but being 1337 |
| 20:59.30 | stoned | I suppose |
| 20:59.32 | sidjster | what benefits ? |
| 20:59.32 | abrotman | imgrey: you'd ask ##kernel about that :) |
| 20:59.44 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 20:59.44 | dpkg | from memory, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 20:59.51 | n3kl_ | cahoot: apting... thanks |
| 20:59.54 | imgrey | abrotman, they dont know |
| 20:59.58 | Guerin | sidjster: none of them. |
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| 21:00.10 | abrotman | imgrey: they damn well should . there's a bugzilla now for the kernel .. i think it has the option to track bugs |
| 21:00.14 | sidjster | did i do somthing wrong? |
| 21:00.22 | stoned | I'd take a service and modify the source sometimes for security (taking out identification strings/version #s) but other than that I don't see a need to do it from source |
| 21:00.24 | abrotman | oh .. it's broken .. go figure |
| 21:00.29 | imgrey | abrotman, bugzilla is down |
| 21:00.31 | stoned | sidjster: no I'm just curious. You said you compiled sid. |
| 21:00.32 | pickcoder | imgrey: there is a dev mailing list specifically for the Linux kernel |
| 21:00.38 | stoned | "compiled" sid. |
| 21:00.41 | abrotman | imgrey: the ask the LKML |
| 21:00.44 | abrotman | then ask |
| 21:01.04 | Guerin | sidjster: if you really compiled all of sid from source, I suggest you should probably nuke the whole shop and reinstall. |
| 21:01.23 | abrotman | imgrey: for example .. mailto:408989-subscribe@bugs.debian.org |
| 21:02.01 | sidjster | im not able to use make menuconfig? |
| 21:02.06 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 21:02.21 | pickcoder | sidjster: install the ncurses dev package |
| 21:02.31 | Guerin | !wayttd sidjster |
| 21:02.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sidjster? |
| 21:02.34 | sidjster | i have it |
| 21:02.50 | pickcoder | which one (dpkg -l <package>) |
| 21:03.03 | stew | sidjster: you need libncurses5-dev and build-essential |
| 21:03.20 | Guerin | i think this one is deeply confused |
| 21:03.38 | rahul | you can't run make menuconfig so you recompiled sid? |
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| 21:03.49 | stoned | heh |
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| 21:03.52 | stoned | hehe, hehehehe |
| 21:03.55 | stoned | burn. |
| 21:04.11 | Guerin | the purpose isn't to burn |
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| 21:04.20 | sidjster | debian:/home/user# apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 21:04.20 | sidjster | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:04.21 | sidjster | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 21:04.21 | sidjster | libncurses5-dev is already the newest version |
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| 21:04.23 | Guerin | just to get some idea of WTF is going on under that crazy hood |
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| 21:04.32 | stoned | Guerin: I'm burning. |
| 21:04.40 | stew | !tell sidjster abuot paste |
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| 21:04.47 | sidjster | ya ya |
| 21:05.00 | rahul | stoned: you should have worn a condom |
| 21:05.07 | peterS | tell me about pasta |
| 21:05.17 | rahul | the NYC gov't is giving away free condoms on 5th ave |
| 21:05.19 | stoned | what? nevermind you rahul you're weird |
| 21:05.24 | rahul | haha |
| 21:05.26 | Guerin | peterS: always salt the water |
| 21:05.31 | peterS | thanks |
| 21:05.35 | Guerin | otherwise it tastes like paste |
| 21:05.39 | stew | bah |
| 21:05.40 | stoned | lol |
| 21:05.41 | rahul | salt the wounds, too. |
| 21:05.46 | Guerin | and we don't eat paste, do we, kids? |
| 21:05.53 | peterS | where's a good pastabin? |
| 21:05.55 | stoned | Guerin: we don't? |
| 21:05.56 | asg | hmmmmph hmmmphf |
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| 21:06.02 | rahul | peterS: whole foods |
| 21:06.08 | Guerin | except asg, he's always been a bit like that |
| 21:06.09 | asg | peterS: pastebin.ca seems to be the most responsive |
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| 21:06.17 | peterS | asg: I said pastabin |
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| 21:06.22 | pickcoder | we're getting a fresh market here |
| 21:06.23 | rahul | actually, fairway is probably better, in general |
| 21:06.27 | pickcoder | still no whole foods yet |
| 21:06.34 | cahoot | pastebin.it then |
| 21:06.36 | rahul | whole zoof. |
| 21:06.36 | stoned | what is a whole food? |
| 21:06.42 | asg | peterS: I've turned up the backlight on the lappy, I can actually read what you are saying now ;) |
| 21:06.43 | Guerin | this might shock some of you merkins, but wholefoods is actually a powerful force of evil |
| 21:06.44 | rahul | stoned: more than a half food |
| 21:06.49 | stoned | rahul: obviously |
| 21:07.01 | pickcoder | Guerin: are they in cahoots with Wal-Mart? |
| 21:07.01 | rahul | stoned: you're from the south, you wouldn't have such a concept |
| 21:07.03 | sidjster | this is how i did it wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6..20.tat.bz2 |
| 21:07.10 | Guerin | pickcoder: not quite THAT powerful |
| 21:07.11 | sidjster | is that the right way? |
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| 21:07.14 | crazy_penguin | good night to all |
| 21:07.17 | stoned | rahul: yeh, we eat big full hearty WHOLE meals |
| 21:07.20 | rahul | heh |
| 21:07.23 | peterS | sidjster: if you spelled it better it would be |
| 21:07.24 | stoned | not like the city |
| 21:07.25 | Guerin | sidjster: the right way is to install a debian kernel. |
| 21:07.32 | stoned | where you eat a bagle and a bottle of frap. |
| 21:07.32 | sidjster | sorry |
| 21:07.38 | stoned | bagel* |
| 21:07.42 | rahul | stoned: that's breakfast |
| 21:07.47 | stoned | call it a breakfast? bah. |
| 21:07.48 | rahul | and my coffee comes in a paper cup |
| 21:08.02 | stew | sidjster: why are you trying to comile a kenrel instead of just using a stock kernel? |
| 21:08.13 | pickcoder | sidjster: if you can't get and compile a kernel without asking a lot of simple questions, then why are you running sid? |
| 21:08.17 | rahul | I don't like having a food coma when I'm not even awake :P |
| 21:08.25 | stew | pickcoder: he upgraded from etch becuase he was bored |
| 21:08.31 | sidjster | i didnt ask any questions |
| 21:08.42 | stoned | man, I need eggs, bread, juice if nothing else. I'd like potatoes as an everyday breakfast food. |
| 21:08.44 | sidjster | i told stoned i got sid compiled and running well |
| 21:08.50 | sidjster | ty |
| 21:09.03 | stoned | compiled sid? |
| 21:09.03 | peterS | stoned: potatoes are an excellent breakfast food, fried as hash browns. |
| 21:09.07 | pickcoder | sidjster: so what's the problem? |
| 21:09.09 | asg | stoned: chocolate and beer; that's all you need |
| 21:09.10 | rahul | stoned: actually, 2 eggs on a roll is the typical breakfast here |
| 21:09.12 | stoned | peterS: yessir indeed |
| 21:09.21 | Gnea | stoned: just move to idaho |
| 21:09.28 | peterS | with some louisiana hot sauce and maybe ketchup |
| 21:09.33 | rahul | bagels are for company breakfasts |
| 21:09.48 | rahul | nah, tabasco |
| 21:09.49 | sidjster | everyone asked why i compiled sid |
| 21:09.49 | rahul | tabasco on the eggs, at least |
| 21:09.49 | pickcoder | texas pete hot sauce |
| 21:09.59 | stoned | I like pakistani breakfasts. Khameeri Roti, Nihari, Halwa/Poori, Kulcha |
| 21:10.07 | rahul | heh |
| 21:10.14 | stoned | yummy.. I have to save up, buy a plane ticket, go home and eat paki food |
| 21:10.15 | rahul | kulcha isn't a breakfast food |
| 21:10.19 | Gnea | if the company breakfast takes place in the desert, do NOT forget to include a jalapeno flavor, or you will get negative feedback |
| 21:10.19 | stoned | yes it is |
| 21:10.23 | stoned | kulcha and paye |
| 21:10.30 | rahul | paye? |
| 21:10.31 | stoned | and chaney/choley |
| 21:10.32 | sidjster | do i need amd thermal monitoring support with my intel celeron 666? |
| 21:10.34 | sidjster | nope |
| 21:10.36 | stoned | rahul: animal feet |
| 21:10.40 | rahul | ok, heh |
| 21:10.42 | stoned | rahul: I dunno what else to call it |
| 21:10.46 | suppaman | Azar: still there ? |
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| 21:11.00 | sidjster | do i nbeed ati support with intel 810 onboard nope |
| 21:11.10 | rahul | loon paranta with aachar is breakfast food. |
| 21:11.21 | streuner | sidjster: intel has there own grakas |
| 21:11.22 | stoned | omg! you said it man |
| 21:11.33 | peterS | sidjster: can you mumble more quietly please? we're trying to talk about pakistani breakfast food here |
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| 21:11.36 | stoned | Achar of mango and Paratha |
| 21:11.39 | rahul | yeah |
| 21:11.40 | stoned | yum yum |
| 21:11.53 | stoned | I'll get all that next week |
| 21:11.54 | Gnea | sounds looney |
| 21:11.55 | stoned | ahaha! |
| 21:11.56 | asg | rahul: do I get half points for having curried chicken pizza and beer for breakfast? |
| 21:11.59 | streuner | sidjster: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 21:12.22 | peterS | streuner: he's not asking a question, he's just talking |
| 21:12.33 | stoned | see |
| 21:12.36 | streuner | oh, i just switched... |
| 21:12.47 | stoned | this is why I must marry a girl who knows how to cook north indian/paki food |
| 21:13.00 | streuner | heh |
| 21:13.06 | pickcoder | stoned: or you could download recpies and teach yourself |
| 21:13.10 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:13.14 | stew | i need to teach myself |
| 21:13.15 | rahul | asg: haha |
| 21:13.41 | stoned | pickcoder: no need to download, I could go home for a month or two, bug my mom everyday and learn |
| 21:13.47 | stew | not in my neighborhood |
| 21:13.51 | pickcoder | stoned: there you go |
| 21:13.53 | rahul | jjazz: the desi deli on 54th and 10th has good chai and break pakora |
| 21:13.57 | rahul | bread, even |
| 21:14.01 | pickcoder | unfortunately, I've had to learn on my own |
| 21:14.13 | pickcoder | still working on the perfect pizza dough |
| 21:14.22 | jjazz | rahul: That's hilarious. When I lived in Hell's Kitchen, I got breakfast from them a couple times a week on my way to work. |
| 21:14.25 | stoned | rahul: what I really want, is aloo bukhari ki chatni, and Samosa with aaloo |
| 21:14.26 | stoned | :D |
| 21:14.28 | rahul | jjazz: haha |
| 21:14.37 | rahul | heh |
| 21:14.42 | stoned | aaloo == potato |
| 21:14.42 | karsten | pickcoder: flour, water, yeast, salt. |
| 21:14.45 | stoned | wicked word! |
| 21:14.46 | karsten | pickcoder: Nothing to it. |
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| 21:15.17 | jjazz | rahul: Now I'm hungry. Damn you people. |
| 21:15.19 | rahul | haha |
| 21:15.22 | rahul | !! |
| 21:15.22 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 21:15.30 | asg | hah |
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| 21:15.36 | stew | !tell yourself about br |
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| 21:16.05 | pickcoder | karsten: that's what I thought, but getting the specific texture I want hasn't been simple |
| 21:16.07 | rahul | no moleste me mosquito |
| 21:16.12 | rahul | just let me eat my burrito |
| 21:16.18 | rahul | heh, that's a cool son |
| 21:16.19 | rahul | g |
| 21:16.26 | asg | rahul: dieter, don't touch my monkey |
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| 21:16.36 | stoned | crazyness! |
| 21:16.43 | stoned | must goo smoke... |
| 21:16.48 | rahul | heh |
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| 21:17.05 | pickcoder | smoke.. gah I'm trying to quit and I don't have any |
| 21:17.08 | pickcoder | now I want one |
| 21:17.20 | rahul | oh, it's no me moleste mosquito |
| 21:17.26 | karsten | pickcoder: Should be just sticky, moundable when you've got it right. That is the tricky bit. Not too wet, not too moist. Also allowing suitable time to rise, at the right temperature (warmish room, I usually use the oven, put in a bowl of freshly boiled water usually gets it just right. |
| 21:17.40 | stoned | pickcoder: I don't smoke tobacco :) |
| 21:17.50 | asg | karsten: aptitude: no package found |
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| 21:18.08 | karsten | asg: You've clearly got the wrong sources. |
| 21:18.16 | pickcoder | karsten: I let the dough rise in the fridge overnight last time. It was a little more like breadsticks than crunchy/chewy |
| 21:18.25 | asg | karsten: yeah but little tony's sells it to me for cheap so no worries |
| 21:18.30 | stoned | pickcoder: I know how to make bread |
| 21:18.32 | pickcoder | stoned: I know, but "smoke" == nicotine for me now |
| 21:18.33 | stoned | really good bread |
| 21:18.40 | peesse | Hi! i'm just trying lincity-ng, and it seems cool, but i have a problem of display: some buildings doesn't appear (white image)... my graphic card is an ATI radeon mobility 7500, and i don't how to install the drivers for it... is it a driver issue? thanks |
| 21:18.43 | karsten | pickcoder: Usually 45 - 90 minutes at room temperature is more than enough. |
| 21:18.54 | karsten | pickcoder: Yeast won't be active in the fridge. Too cold. |
| 21:18.57 | sid | I have a printer connected to a windows machine, and I just enabled print sharing. I'm on a Debian laptop now inside the LAN, and I wanted to print to that printer...I went to Administration/Printing in gnome and checked network printer, and I saw the printer name "printer" and I clicked next, but now it wants Step 2 of 3 "Print Driver", but I don't see the printer listed, It's a canon MultiPASS F30, and that isn't listed in the list. |
| 21:18.57 | abrotman | peesse: aren't you already using ati driver ? |
| 21:19.03 | sid | What should I do? |
| 21:19.14 | abrotman | sid: try a generic driver |
| 21:19.30 | karsten | sid: Generic driver, or use CUPS |
| 21:19.32 | karsten | !cups |
| 21:19.32 | dpkg | somebody said cups was a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 21:19.39 | suppaman | bye |
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| 21:20.25 | stoned | you take what flour, highly refined, you get some butter, some water, and some salt. You mix it up until its like a huge ball. you knead it a lot and stuff. Then you break off a litle ball of it, roll it around in a bit of flower so its not sticky, flatten it out, put butter in it, roll it up, stretch it out, coil it up, flatten it again, and use a bread roller to roll it into a pita thin shape. Then you put it on a pan on the stove until |
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| 21:21.02 | stoned | sometimes you can boil and mash potatoes with spices, or cooked/fried ground meat, and put it between those two pita like bread thingies before you cook it, and close it on all sides, and cook it |
| 21:21.02 | peesse | <abrotman>, well, how do i know what driver is running? I've just put "driver "radeon" " in my xorg.conf |
| 21:21.37 | stoned | rahul knows what I'm talking about, Qeema Paratha and Aaloo Paratha :D |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | peesse: check in your X log |
| 21:21.47 | peterS | peesse: that may work but the correct driver name is "ati". that will load the radeon driver. |
| 21:21.55 | rahul | stuffed paratha. mmm |
| 21:22.01 | abrotman | peterS: but not in Xfree? |
| 21:22.07 | pickcoder | stoned: I've made flat bread several times, but not on purpose.. <g> |
| 21:22.09 | rahul | stoned: you don't make it like that, tho |
| 21:22.14 | peterS | abrotman: really? I thought that was true in both xfree86 and xorg |
| 21:22.28 | stoned | rahul: like I said. I can't cook. |
| 21:22.28 | abrotman | peterS: i think just for xfree ..b ut only gravity knows for sure! |
| 21:22.30 | peesse | <peterS> in the device section of xorg.conf, right? |
| 21:22.40 | abrotman | peesse: xorg or xfree ? |
| 21:22.43 | peesse | xorg |
| 21:22.44 | karsten | peesse: Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you what drivers are running. |
| 21:22.49 | peesse | ok |
| 21:22.52 | peesse | i check |
| 21:22.54 | karsten | peesse: ... and/or the utter failure of xorg to start. |
| 21:22.59 | rahul | stoned: you roll it out, put a ball of the filling in the middle, bring the edges in, squeeze them togehter, roll it out softly and carefully, then cook it. |
| 21:22.59 | riot | why does a freshly installed gpsdrive hang after displaying the splashscreen? (sid) |
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| 21:23.13 | rahul | stoned: never made them myself, just watched my mom make them :) |
| 21:23.15 | peterS | yes, the device section |
| 21:23.26 | abrotman | then yes .. ati driver |
| 21:23.47 | stoned | rahul: either way, the point is to get the filling ball inside the two flat parathas and even it out. However you wanna do it |
| 21:24.07 | stoned | gps |
| 21:24.09 | peterS | useful information, eh? |
| 21:24.18 | rahul | heh |
| 21:24.23 | karsten | peterS: Today is, shall we say, a red-flag day. |
| 21:24.31 | Adlai | dammit rahul and stoned, I'm getting hungry |
| 21:24.38 | Ronin | karsten: heh, thats a good trick to know, jsut dont let them know you can do that |
| 21:24.40 | Adlai | and the weather here is awful so I don't want to go to a dining hall |
| 21:24.45 | Adlai | so I'm just stuck here with my ramen |
| 21:24.57 | sid | abrotman / karsten which one is the generic driver? |
| 21:25.12 | peterS | Adlai: how awful is awful? here I've got 19 degrees F and a 10 knot wind, but no precip |
| 21:25.14 | stoned | Adlai: dude.. you've never had what I'm talking about probably, you're not misisng anything. I have not my mom's cooking in years. I'm dying here man |
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| 21:25.23 | sid | There are many generic drivers |
| 21:25.26 | karsten | Ronin: "helix doesn't understand why all of the bugs filed against mencal are from guys" - #debian IRC |
| 21:25.27 | stoned | Adlai: I've lived off ramen |
| 21:25.32 | Adlai | I live off ramen |
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| 21:25.45 | Adlai | we've got about an inch thick of ice/slush mix on the ground |
| 21:25.50 | peterS | oh lovely |
| 21:25.51 | peesse | abrotman, i've changed "driver "radeon" " to "driver "ati" " in my xorg.conf, is that right? |
| 21:25.55 | stoned | here too |
| 21:25.55 | rahul | yeah, it's a mess here |
| 21:25.56 | Adlai | and there are tiny pieces of hail blowing around constantly |
| 21:25.59 | peterS | peesse: yes |
| 21:26.05 | stoned | same kind of slush and it is still snowing lightly |
| 21:26.09 | peesse | thanks, so i reboot X |
| 21:26.20 | rahul | Adlai: NY, BOS? |
| 21:26.26 | Adlai | long island =( |
| 21:26.28 | karsten | sid: I'm not familiar with the GNOME printer tool. I tend to use CUPS. |
| 21:26.32 | Adlai | they canceled classes at least |
| 21:26.33 | rahul | ah |
| 21:26.35 | Adlai | for the rest of the day |
| 21:26.38 | rahul | was probably even worse out there |
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| 21:26.45 | karsten | sid: You can either find a PTR file for your printer, or go through the prompts. What sort fo printer? |
| 21:27.15 | sid | karsten: It's a Canon MultiPASS F30 |
| 21:27.20 | pickcoder | 52F and partly sunny here |
| 21:27.27 | simonrvn | peterS: take care |
| 21:27.27 | rahul | !penixstrike pickcoder |
| 21:27.27 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking pickcoder to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:27.32 | karsten | peterS: I think you're reading *way* more into two specimens of underground vegetable than has ever been implied. - Peter Samuelson |
| 21:27.47 | karsten | sid: Do you see a vendor selector in the GNOME interface? |
| 21:27.50 | pickcoder | we do get hurricanes occasionally here, so it evens out |
| 21:27.53 | simonrvn | carrots and potatoes? |
| 21:28.09 | riot | wow. installation of mysql-server-5.0 just fails on sid. |
| 21:28.14 | stoned | I'm like the wind. |
| 21:28.28 | rahul | you're passing wind? |
| 21:28.34 | abrotman | full of hot air ? |
| 21:28.36 | karsten | simonrvn: Dunno, that was a reference from a long time back. |
| 21:28.51 | stoned | and just like that! POOF! /me is gone |
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| 21:28.57 | simonrvn | so far back i can't remember, if i even saw it =) |
| 21:29.14 | sid | karsten: What is vector selector? |
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| 21:29.36 | abrotman | MatBoy: do you have 911 in .nl ? |
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| 21:29.51 | MatBoy | abrotman, no, but I can still call it I think |
| 21:29.56 | rahul | it's probably 010911 in .nl :P |
| 21:29.58 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 21:30.01 | rahul | or something crazy like that |
| 21:30.07 | MatBoy | rahul, right :P |
| 21:30.14 | black_13 | would i install debug versions of the sdl libraries to be install on my debian system? |
| 21:30.22 | simonrvn | no, 1111! |
| 21:30.27 | azeem | black_13: why do you need them? |
| 21:30.29 | simonrvn | :P |
| 21:30.38 | karsten | sid: *vendor* selector. |
| 21:30.44 | abrotman | black_13: you mean -dev versions ? |
| 21:30.55 | black_13 | abrotman yes sir |
| 21:30.57 | riot | why does mysql-server-5.0 not install on sid? |
| 21:31.01 | karsten | sid: ... a vector selctor is a a Rodger router. |
| 21:31.02 | simonrvn | hehehe, i dunno how you get vector from vendor, but that's vaguely funny :) |
| 21:31.09 | sid | karsten: o sorry, yea I see that. I went to "Canon" and the F30 isn't listed. and I went to "Generic" and I don't know which one to pick from that list. |
| 21:31.19 | karsten | sid: Try one ;-) |
| 21:31.32 | sid | karsten: Just randomly pick one of the generic ones? |
| 21:31.34 | simonrvn | might want gimpprint or whatever i's called nowadays |
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| 21:31.41 | black_13 | abrotman, this is and can i undo such a thing that is can i remove the debug version and re-install release builds |
| 21:31.51 | karsten | sid: I know ... |
| 21:31.54 | karsten | ... kung fu! |
| 21:32.00 | karsten | sid: Damn! Wrong program. |
| 21:32.00 | rahul | heh |
| 21:32.05 | simonrvn | kung fu lightning |
| 21:32.09 | karsten | sid: Yes, try one at random. See what works. |
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| 21:32.28 | pickcoder | sid: does your printer support postscript? |
| 21:32.36 | simonrvn | triple-barrelled shotgun ;p |
| 21:32.52 | MatBoy | karsten, you can buy then in Russia for less money |
| 21:32.57 | MatBoy | *them |
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| 21:32.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: watch `Utu' and see the fabled 4-barrel shotgun in action!\ |
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| 21:33.07 | simonrvn | oh gawds |
| 21:33.18 | karsten | simonrvn: http://www.keanuvision.com/archives/000535.html |
| 21:33.18 | Guerin | simonrvn: (a common thing in the NZ wars was to strap two under/overs together) |
| 21:33.28 | karsten | MatBoy: In Russia, guns buy you! |
| 21:33.30 | simonrvn | oh holy |
| 21:33.38 | riot | wonderful. mysql-4.1 fails too. No bugs filed, no error-messages given... |
| 21:33.53 | black_13 | azeem, my i want to be able to step through the sdl image sources |
| 21:34.01 | rahul | karsten: whoa! |
| 21:34.16 | azeem | black_13: why? |
| 21:34.17 | azeem | what for? |
| 21:34.21 | simonrvn | karsten: wtf? |
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| 21:34.23 | karsten | rahul: Blue pill! |
| 21:34.24 | black_13 | because i want to |
| 21:34.27 | black_13 | jesus |
| 21:34.33 | azeem | black_13: you can download the sdl source if you mean that |
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| 21:34.41 | Guerin | simonrvn: did you see my paper? |
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| 21:34.56 | karsten | simonrvn: The line is from the movie "The Matrix", spoken by Neo, Keanu Reeves's character. |
| 21:34.59 | sid | pickcoder: no idea |
| 21:35.01 | simonrvn | not yet, been too busy so far, it's high on the todo though |
| 21:35.10 | Guerin | pickcoder: i think it was a `fire once then use as a club' sort of thing |
| 21:35.13 | simonrvn | ok |
| 21:35.13 | rahul | karsten: which one? "whoa"? :) |
| 21:35.31 | Guerin | simonrvn: you got it, though, cool. It's about an hour of your life you'll never get back ;) |
| 21:35.37 | rahul | oh no wait, that's his main line from every movie :P |
| 21:35.39 | karsten | rahul: "I need guns", "I know kung fu", "woah" |
| 21:35.43 | karsten | rahul: Heh. |
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| 21:35.50 | Ronin | only line he can remember |
| 21:36.01 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe |
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| 21:36.08 | rahul | the blue pill is the one you go to bed with |
| 21:36.09 | rahul | :P |
| 21:36.14 | karsten | rahul: As a friend put it (well, called out, in a crowded theater): "Emote, Keanu! Emote! |
| 21:36.19 | rahul | haha |
| 21:36.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:36.46 | simonrvn | numist: why were you trying to dance with me? o_O |
| 21:37.15 | simonrvn | dimmur, we all have something to do ;p |
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| 21:37.35 | Guerin | karsten: awesome. |
| 21:37.49 | pickcoder | gah.. I have a feeling I'm going to building the mail server from scratch tonight |
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| 21:38.02 | simonrvn | rahul: "go to bed with"? |
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| 21:38.15 | pickcoder | BTW, don't use the "delete unit" feature for 3ware 3DM2. It will delete all of the units.. |
| 21:38.18 | simonrvn | i'd rather be awake, in that case |
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| 21:38.40 | rahul | simonrvn: http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/images/hs/hs1575929_1.jpg |
| 21:38.43 | simonrvn | delete unit |
| 21:38.46 | stew | pickcoder: fun |
| 21:38.52 | simonrvn | oh the spec... |
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| 21:39.01 | stew | pickcoder: unit == array? or unit == drive? |
| 21:39.01 | simonrvn | er, oh ick, the spec |
| 21:39.05 | pickcoder | stew: yeah.. tell me about it.. live box.. dead raid array |
| 21:39.29 | pickcoder | waiting on tech support to try and build a control block restoration script for me |
| 21:39.37 | karsten | rahul: Spammer! |
| 21:39.39 | simonrvn | oh *that* blue pill |
| 21:39.56 | rahul | heh |
| 21:40.12 | pickcoder | a unit for 3ware is an array of any kind |
| 21:40.15 | rahul | "British pharmacy chain Boots will begin a trial program on Valentine's Day to offer men the anti-impotence drug Viagra without a prescription."\ |
| 21:40.26 | rahul | interesting |
| 21:40.38 | karsten | rahul: That's an idea with a lot of growth potential. |
| 21:40.43 | pickcoder | luckily it was RAID1 which is supposedly quite tolerant of mishaps |
| 21:40.44 | stew | take the blue pill and find out how deep the rabbit hole goes |
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| 21:41.04 | Kerr | my eth1 (going out to my laptop) is showing as UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 and not working where as my other pc is showing as UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 21:41.05 | Adlai | lol rahul |
| 21:41.07 | Kerr | and working |
| 21:41.09 | rahul | !penixstrike karsten |
| 21:41.09 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking karsten to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:41.13 | Kerr | using ipmasq |
| 21:41.14 | rahul | stew: heh |
| 21:41.16 | Kerr | what gives :/ ? |
| 21:41.22 | simonrvn | !stewsmite stew |
| 21:41.38 | abrotman | !sing stew |
| 21:41.41 | simonrvn | you don't have a smite yet? damn |
| 21:41.44 | rahul | Kerr: plugged into a hub? router? |
| 21:41.46 | abrotman | stew needs some factionds! |
| 21:41.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: i don't have one either ... :( |
| 21:42.01 | simonrvn | damn |
| 21:42.05 | stew | yeah, please create more ways for the bot to needlessly hilight me :) |
| 21:42.06 | abrotman | !annoy stew |
| 21:42.06 | dpkg | IT DOESN'T WORK FUX0R!!!111!!11 |
| 21:42.15 | simonrvn | stew: hehe |
| 21:43.31 | Adlai | haha dpkg |
| 21:43.34 | Eulex | !abrotmoo |
| 21:43.35 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 21:43.36 | Adlai | no classes today |
| 21:43.36 | simonrvn | !mithsmite rahul |
| 21:43.38 | riot | ok.. stupid shit. solved.. my box "forgot" to bring up the loopback device. now, i'd sure as hell am eager to know why... |
| 21:43.38 | Adlai | !beer me |
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| 21:43.46 | rahul | heh |
| 21:43.47 | rahul | mith |
| 21:43.51 | rahul | simonrvn: you kawfee |
| 21:43.51 | Kerr | rahul: I'm using ipmasq to share my internet (eth0) with my laptop (eth1) and pc (eth2) but for some reason only eth2 is showing as running, eth1 isn't working |
| 21:43.54 | Azar | speaking of factoids: gentoo factoid , two links are too old and sites gone |
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| 21:44.07 | simonrvn | rahul: hey! not nice |
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| 21:44.11 | vincent__ | hi |
| 21:44.18 | pickcoder | Kerr: is eth1 configured for the correct network? |
| 21:44.19 | Adlai | Azar, huh? |
| 21:44.30 | rahul | Kerr: ok, so answer my question |
| 21:44.42 | simonrvn | Azar: so edit it |
| 21:44.46 | Azar | Adlai: nothing important is just a #debian specific issue |
| 21:45.05 | Azar | simonrvn: uh I don't think I have access or know how |
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| 21:45.07 | simonrvn | rahul: hehe, that was horrbile hehe |
| 21:45.12 | simonrvn | Azar: yes you do |
| 21:45.22 | Kerr | pickcoder: eth1 is 192.168.2.1 on 192.168.2.0 and eth2 is 192.168.1.1 on 192.168.1.0 both 255.255.255.255 |
| 21:45.27 | simonrvn | rahul: so was that typo |
| 21:45.38 | Kerr | rahul: connected to my uni's router i guess, through the ethernet port in my dorm |
| 21:45.40 | rahul | heh |
| 21:45.47 | simonrvn | !gentoo |
| 21:45.47 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 21:45.50 | rahul | Kerr: eth1 |
| 21:45.51 | Kerr | err |
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| 21:45.54 | Kerr | 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:45.55 | Kerr | even |
| 21:46.05 | Azar | the "devcave" and "funroll" don't work no more |
| 21:46.07 | pickcoder | Kerr: is there a default route for eth1 listed under "route" |
| 21:46.10 | vincent__ | i'm installing debian to my old p133, but it doesnt recognize my nic, and it gave an error on install |
| 21:46.19 | Adlai | haha funroll-loops |
| 21:46.22 | Kerr | pickcoder: Listed where :/ ? |
| 21:46.31 | pickcoder | Kerr: "route" |
| 21:46.32 | Kerr | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:46.33 | Kerr | ? |
| 21:46.45 | simonrvn | !gentoo =~ s,http://www.funroll-loops.org/,, |
| 21:46.46 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 21:46.48 | vincent__ | something about modprobe de4x5 |
| 21:46.56 | Azar | rahul: I can observe that you are in a highly valentine mood |
| 21:46.58 | simonrvn | Azar: example ^^ |
| 21:47.00 | vincent__ | that it didnt work |
| 21:47.02 | rahul | heh |
| 21:47.05 | pickcoder | Kerr: type "route" and paste it in a pastebin |
| 21:47.13 | Kerr | 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 21:47.15 | Kerr | yeah |
| 21:47.34 | pickcoder | so 192.168.2.0 has no gateway |
| 21:47.36 | simonrvn | !gentoo =~ s,http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm,, |
| 21:47.36 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 21:47.37 | vincent__ | does the system on the install cd, have all modules? |
| 21:47.54 | pickcoder | unless you are masq'ing the packets from 2.0 to 1.0 |
| 21:48.14 | abrotman | Kerr: that's the only line ? |
| 21:48.22 | Gnurdux | how do I, in a shell script, catch HUP and INT signals so that subprocesses cant get them? |
| 21:48.43 | rahul | Gnurdux: you can't |
| 21:48.43 | bzed | Gnurdux: man bash, look for trap |
| 21:48.44 | Guerin | Gnurdux: #bash |
| 21:48.52 | rahul | _sub_processes |
| 21:48.54 | Gnurdux | trap doesnt block em from subprocesses |
| 21:49.00 | bzed | true |
| 21:49.03 | rahul | you just can't. |
| 21:49.08 | Gnurdux | really? |
| 21:49.15 | Azar | ...! The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.funroll-loops.org < js popup |
| 21:49.16 | Kerr | pickcoder: ipmasq is masking packets from eth0 to eth2, and i'm trying to have it give them to eth1 too. I had it working a short while ago but took some fiddling, turns out i had both interfaces listed as 192.168.1.1 on 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:49.27 | Kerr | abrotman: not the only line |
| 21:49.47 | Kerr | i'll paste the other lines in #flood |
| 21:50.02 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:50.03 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:50.14 | pickcoder | Kerr: do you really need 2 different networks? |
| 21:50.35 | Azar | ah.... ok thanks simonrvn :) |
| 21:51.08 | abrotman | Kerr: do you have a gateway defined anywhere ? |
| 21:51.13 | karsten | bzed: It's a trap! |
| 21:51.38 | Kerr | pickcoder: I was under the impression that each interface on my 4port nic (eth1-4) would need to be on a different network to be routed properly |
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| 21:51.54 | karsten | Kerr: No |
| 21:51.58 | pickcoder | Kerr: no.. that depends on how you want your segmentation to happen |
| 21:52.12 | rvsjoen | i'm trying to connect apache2 to tomcat5.5 using mod_jk, and i'm sending all http://<host>/servlet requests to tomcat, but I can't figure out how to make tomcat prefix all applications by '/servlet'.. anyone done this ? |
| 21:52.13 | Kerr | abrotman: my default route i guess, is my pc's hostmask |
| 21:52.14 | pickcoder | you really don't need 2 if you have 3 computers sitting together |
| 21:52.50 | Kerr | abrotman: eth0 gets it's ip via dhcp |
| 21:53.01 | karsten | Kerr: Your outbound traffic will probably go over one of those interfaces. Depends on whether the NICs are on the same network segement or not. Typically if you're bridging a number of networks, yes, you'd do that, but it's more for control/structure than necessity. |
| 21:53.10 | Kerr | so its iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 21:53.39 | Kerr | karsten: I want each pc to be able to communicate as i'm trying to set up a small quake3 lan |
| 21:53.47 | Kerr | karsten: as well as be able to get on the net |
| 21:54.36 | karsten | Kerr: Network topology and host interface configuration are independent (orthogonal) topics. Figure out what your network looks like. Configure your host accordingly. |
| 21:55.04 | pickcoder | Kerr: you can accomplish the same task with one eth card in your gateway box, provided they are on the same network segment |
| 21:55.21 | karsten | Kerr: Unless you're on a switched (or multiple switched) networks, it's not going to matter. You could have all four NICs on the same network, but configure the clients to talk to a specific interface (by IP), over a switch as well. |
| 21:55.32 | Kerr | the onboard ethernet port (eth0) of my machine is connected to the internet, the pci 4portnic has ports 0 and 1 (eth1, eth2) connected to my laptop and second pc respectivley |
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| 21:56.12 | Kerr | also my uni don't like home lans, hence the use of ipmasq |
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| 21:57.41 | Kerr | karsten: the laptop (on network 192.168.2.0) eth1 is set to use 192.168.2.2 and use 192.168.2.1 (the ip address given to eth1) as it's gateway |
| 21:58.21 | Kerr | karsten: Would i be better advised to have both eth1 and 2 on network 192.168.1.0 ? |
| 21:59.06 | sidjster | can you connect to irc throughj bash? |
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| 22:00.07 | fsmunoz | sidjster, you mean, via a command line application? |
| 22:00.13 | fsmunoz | Or really "just bash"? |
| 22:00.15 | Azar | Kerr: maybe this course topics could give you a hint? http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/Course/index.htm |
| 22:00.28 | sidjster | yes in a shell |
| 22:00.50 | Kerr | i'm midway through ccna semester2, i should know this stuff >.> |
| 22:01.06 | Azar | cool... you lucky one |
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| 22:01.21 | fsmunoz | sidjster, well, the shell can be used to launch command-line/text interface IRC clients like epic, irssi, bitchx, etc. Bash by itself doesn't know anything about IRC of course. |
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| 22:02.00 | rahul | you can launch xchat with bash... |
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| 22:02.38 | fsmunoz | rahul, well, yes... I'm assuming "launch and work solely withing a command-line shell"... maybve I'm assuming to much though |
| 22:02.46 | rahul | who knows |
| 22:03.07 | kiba | anybody know where the font directory is located? |
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| 22:03.39 | hatta | I linked a script to /etc/cron.hourly yet it's not being run |
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| 22:03.43 | hatta | is there something else I have to do? |
| 22:03.51 | hatta | /usr/sbin/cron is running |
| 22:04.00 | abrotman | hatta: what's the name of the script ? |
| 22:04.01 | pickcoder | kiba: stuff like that is normally under /usr/share/ |
| 22:04.06 | Kerr | karsten: even with eth2 set to use ip 192.168.1.10 on network 192.168.1.0, and ipmask force-reloaded, the ifconfig output looks no more promising |
| 22:04.09 | hatta | dailyshowget.pl |
| 22:04.17 | hatta | why? |
| 22:04.21 | abrotman | can't have a space |
| 22:04.24 | abrotman | erm .. a period |
| 22:04.29 | hatta | no period? |
| 22:04.34 | hatta | that's... odd |
| 22:04.49 | abrotman | if it's in cron.hourly/cron.daily/cron.monthly etc .. can't have a period .. run-parts can't cope with it |
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| 22:04.55 | abrotman | nfc why though |
| 22:05.00 | hatta | someone should fix run-parts |
| 22:05.11 | hatta | is this limitation documented somewhere? |
| 22:05.20 | abrotman | i believe in the run-parts docs |
| 22:05.22 | pickcoder | hatta: or you can put it in crontab and set the hours you want it to run |
| 22:05.37 | pickcoder | your symlink doesn't have to have a dot in it |
| 22:05.53 | hatta | yeah I was just going to rename the symlink |
| 22:06.11 | hatta | what is run-parts? |
| 22:06.21 | abrotman | man run-parts :) |
| 22:07.57 | pickcoder | that reminds me of that postfix qmgr spool bug when a file gets created with a single number filename, qmgr doesn't check the directory entry type and assumes it's a multi-level spool |
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| 22:11.58 | enouf | it interfere's with frank perdue's oven stuffer roaster .. parts-is-parts |
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| 22:14.58 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:14.59 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:15.02 | fas3r | do you know if it's possible with nmap to scan a ip range example: 10.0.0.0 to 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 22:15.10 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 22:15.10 | dpkg | monkeys is, like, the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
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| 22:16.20 | hatter | anyone know an easy way i can put a putty like frontend on to a vnc client ? I am using port knocking to open ssh for a short time, which then i want to login to the vnc client, it would be nice if they were one app |
| 22:16.26 | fsmunoz | fas3r, yes. It's right in there in the man page |
| 22:16.36 | n3kl_ | What is the best way to create a deb from non-native source code? |
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| 22:17.19 | fas3r | fsmunoz: ok but if i make an ip range scan what ip i make on my eth0 ? |
| 22:17.23 | Alam_Debian | gdm's custom file is /etc/gdm/custom.conf, correct? |
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| 22:18.43 | hatter | hey ! apt-get moo gives a pretty cow picture :) |
| 22:18.51 | hatter | moooooo |
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| 22:19.10 | fsmunoz | fas3r, 10.164.6.3/89 |
| 22:19.12 | fsmunoz | On your eth0 |
| 22:19.22 | fsmunoz | Seriously now |
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| 22:19.48 | fsmunoz | fas3r, I don't know whjat sis the IP of your eth0. I'm not curious either. See the man page, you can specify ranges in several forms to nmap |
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| 22:26.25 | n3kl_ | Is there a prefered way to compiling non-native source into a .deb? |
| 22:26.56 | brendan___ | Hello, i'm using kernel 2.6.20 on debian sarge. I created packges via make-kpgs and installed them. Howver, /etc/init.d/rcS segfaults on boot |
| 22:27.01 | brendan___ | any ideas? |
| 22:27.27 | sparr | i officially hate bash wildcard expansion now. "rm *(2)*" seems straightforward enough... |
| 22:27.47 | h3sp4wn | brendan___: Mwith or without an initramfs ? |
| 22:28.05 | stew | brendan___: do you know which script in /etc/rcS.d is failing? |
| 22:28.08 | VImtermute | later yall |
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| 22:29.53 | brendan___ | yes, with an initrd, and no i'm not sure what script is failing |
| 22:30.04 | brendan___ | it doesn't seem to run any that i can tell |
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| 22:30.58 | chairmeleon | hey guys :) |
| 22:31.15 | c00lfon | Hi. (; |
| 22:31.50 | chairmeleon | I've been hopping back and forth between etch and ubuntu 6.10 so now please convince me (the ubuntu guys wouldn't). why shall I use debian etch rather than ubuntu 6.10 ? :D |
| 22:31.58 | h3sp4wn | brendan___: If I was you I would take udev initramfs-tools |
| 22:32.02 | stew | chairmeleon: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:32.12 | h3sp4wn | brendan___:(from backports) |
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| 22:33.29 | dr1v3r | guys on apt-get install php4 where abouts does it install its stuff to please? |
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| 22:33.55 | Kerr | abrotman: do you think the 4port nic is being seen as -one- interface, not four? It would explain the phantom connectivity |
| 22:34.03 | abrotman | shouldn't be |
| 22:34.08 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, it's a rather personal decision... it depends on what you want/valour more, etc. They are quite similar. |
| 22:34.20 | chairmeleon | stew: Well yeah, but in there I can't really see any differences compared to Ubuntu? |
| 22:34.27 | Azar | good night abrotman |
| 22:34.35 | chairmeleon | fsmunoz: Yeah I've come to that conclusion too |
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| 22:34.41 | streuner | Azar: nah |
| 22:34.53 | streuner | !ubuntusmite chairmeleon |
| 22:35.06 | Azar | :) so we will see abrotman back soon ? :) |
| 22:35.12 | streuner | sure |
| 22:35.34 | Ronin | chairmeleon: i trust you've read the respective distros websites? |
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| 22:35.51 | chairmeleon | oh, that's just trolling :D Does it imply that Ubuntu is similar to Debian, but nonetheless worthless in practice? :D |
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| 22:36.07 | chairmeleon | Ronin: Oh yeah, I've been using debian since woody :) |
| 22:36.13 | streuner | chairmeleon: ask a debian related question |
| 22:36.18 | stew | chairmeleon: debian cares more about free software. ubuntu is actively trying to get non-free software into their distro. if you don't care about software freedom, then you can ignore that. |
| 22:36.23 | Ronin | chairmeleon: on the contrary, i recommand ubuntu to my friends who want to try linux, then i go and when you get your feet wet come talk to me and we'll install debian |
| 22:36.32 | Guerin | chairmeleon: no, it implies that saying they're the same because they're structurally similar is bullshit, which is manifestly is. |
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| 22:36.52 | Azar | chairmeleon: well I never used ubuntu but the way I see it advertised made me think is easier on people who can't read or can't understand what they read (documentations, stuff like that) so might be attractive to new linux users who can't/don't take the time to learn something totally new/different than windows |
| 22:36.58 | Ronin | Guerin: slow down and try that again :) |
| 22:37.07 | streuner | guys, please |
| 22:37.16 | chairmeleon | Ronin: I don't see what makes ubuntu harder than debian? |
| 22:37.27 | Ronin | never said it was harder |
| 22:37.28 | stew | chairmeleon: you misread |
| 22:37.39 | Azar | chairmeleon: try them both and see for yourself |
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| 22:37.44 | chairmeleon | I think it's a matter of preference even in the eyes of a newbie |
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| 22:37.51 | pngwn | chairmeleon, it's off topic in #debian |
| 22:37.57 | Guerin | if you like brown, use ubuntu |
| 22:38.02 | Guerin | if you like choice, use debian |
| 22:38.05 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, Ubuntu is easier for a newbie. I do the same as Ronin, and recommend Ubuntu to totally new people. |
| 22:38.10 | kbral | guys... is there some discution about a score system for debian packages.... |
| 22:38.12 | kbral | ?? |
| 22:38.16 | Azar | ah Guerin! that was harsh |
| 22:38.19 | Guerin | kbral: elaborate. |
| 22:38.19 | Ronin | ubuntu is like Azar said easier on the newibe whos used to not reading and knowign what is going on |
| 22:38.22 | chairmeleon | Ronin: But if it's not easier than debian, why do you prefer recommending it? |
| 22:38.37 | stew | chairmeleon: nobody said it's not easier |
| 22:38.38 | Ronin | chairmeleon: i DIDNT say its not easier then debian |
| 22:38.39 | streuner | .oO a flamewar |
| 22:38.42 | Azar | kbral: I guess is called popcontest |
| 22:38.56 | chairmeleon | No I have not said you said so ronin |
| 22:39.04 | Ronin | bah |
| 22:39.07 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 22:39.07 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 22:39.12 | streuner | haha |
| 22:39.18 | Ronin | good answer dpkg |
| 22:39.22 | chairmeleon | But how come you prefer recommending ubuntu to newbies instead of debian? Don't be angry, I'm just asking |
| 22:39.23 | Azar | chairmeleon: calm down, you can try them both man |
| 22:39.34 | Guerin | i think he is calm |
| 22:39.35 | Ronin | ubuntu is like Azar said easier on the newibe whos used to not reading and knowign what is going on |
| 22:39.36 | hatter | chairmeleon: I see the a difference in level of depth, most debian users are server command line people, where ubuntu is aiming at the people coming from windows |
| 22:39.47 | chairmeleon | Azar: As I said, I am (have been, whatever) trying them both |
| 22:39.48 | streuner | Guerin: yes, vs. others... |
| 22:39.49 | hatter | horses for courses |
| 22:39.56 | Ronin | once they get their feet wet i say come talk to me and we'll install debian on your computer |
| 22:40.14 | kbral | the packages could be receive points.... or stars, and you use it as criteria in the search (apt-search) |
| 22:40.20 | arraista | hatter: agreed. ubuntu doesn't seem too work as well as debian from the command line |
| 22:40.35 | Azar | chairmeleon: the learning curve in Debian is a bit rough, you need time, willingness to read and understand what you do or read. On ubuntu lots of stuff come "canned" you don't have to struggle much |
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| 22:40.41 | chairmeleon | I've been running debian since woody, ubuntu since warty. Now I just got in here to..get a hold of what is really better with Debian, under the surface |
| 22:40.41 | arraista | maybe we're into a command line x gui users split here?? |
| 22:40.43 | Ronin | kbral: point system for packages? eww |
| 22:40.46 | Guerin | arraista: that's bullshit |
| 22:40.54 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, Ubuntu has an "expected Dekstop" from the get-go. It configures some things automatically - think multimedia keys on laptops, etc. Ubuntu made having a coherent desktop a tier one priority. |
| 22:40.59 | Guerin | arraista: ubuntu breaks none of debvian's cli tools |
| 22:41.05 | stew | ubuntu is offtopic |
| 22:41.08 | Ronin | Guerin: slow down man :) |
| 22:41.10 | fsmunoz | That's my reason, open to debate of course. |
| 22:41.19 | fsmunoz | Having said that, I use Debian of course. |
| 22:41.26 | brendan___ | h3sp4wn: do i need make-kpkg |
| 22:41.26 | chairmeleon | I have read through distrowatch daily for two years, and used 10 different distributions. So, I |
| 22:41.27 | arraista | Guerin: well, at least aptitude upgrade doesn't work as well on ubuntu as it works on debian for me... |
| 22:41.41 | Guerin | arraista: that's nothign to do with the tools, that's to do with the respositories |
| 22:41.46 | stew | arraista: if you are having trouble with aptitude on unbuntu, please ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:41.55 | arraista | maybe I could have broken something in it, but it seems to happen to all my fresh ubuntu installs |
| 22:41.55 | Azar | chairmeleon: and Debian respects the GPL stuff... not much fun on Debian with proprietary software.... unlike Ubuntu who seems to not care much and give the user all they want |
| 22:41.58 | hatter | chairmeleon: if you want to see the big difference, hang out at both irc channels and see the different types of questions |
| 22:42.05 | Ronin | hatter: good point |
| 22:42.17 | chairmeleon | I'm not unused to what they offer, I just thought if someone even more experienced could point out some other good thing with debian that you don't see straight from the desktop |
| 22:42.23 | arraista | hatter: that's a good experiment |
| 22:42.28 | stew | chairmeleon: you'll probably get a much more meaningful comparison if you ask in a distro-neutral channel like ##linux |
| 22:42.31 | chairmeleon | and I understand software freedom is a strong point |
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| 22:42.45 | amphi | hatter: or look at the websites |
| 22:42.55 | Azar | Good points in Debian: stable and mostly clear off proprietary software. |
| 22:42.55 | brendan___ | h3sp4wn: what i man is if i install the udev initramfs-tools, do i need to get a new make-kpgk or will it just use the new tools? |
| 22:42.57 | kbral | Ronin, you would uses the package.. lib or a program and you giv feed backs about it... (good, usefull, awesome, bad) something else and this information would be used in as search criteria |
| 22:43.12 | chairmeleon | But I...I wanna have debian-biased info :D Like, you guys should be the best in bringing out what's good in Debian |
| 22:43.21 | Guerin | kbral: wtf is the point of that? |
| 22:43.23 | Ronin | kbral: dont think that would work, what is critical for me may be trival and useless for someone else |
| 22:43.23 | stew | chairmeleon: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:43.54 | Guerin | kbral: that's what freshmeat is for, and since practically everything in debian is also on freshmeat ... |
| 22:43.55 | streuner | chairmeleon: you should really read, and not asking the same questions again and again ;-) |
| 22:43.58 | Azar | chairmeleon: most of users want all the software their eyes see around. They don't care about eulas, gpl and so they just WANT stuff. |
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| 22:44.15 | chairmeleon | I have, I have read. Maybe this was a stupid place to pull up the question. |
| 22:44.23 | amphi | !tell kbral about popcon |
| 22:44.25 | Ronin | and it MUST work, no tweaking allowed usually |
| 22:44.43 | streuner | maybe :-) |
| 22:44.51 | streuner | ;-) |
| 22:44.59 | chairmeleon | On to another topic then, Debian specific |
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| 22:45.02 | Guerin | Azar: sleep 8h; mplayer ~/music/*.mp3 |
| 22:45.06 | chairmeleon | If I haven't tired you all? |
| 22:45.08 | kbral | amphi, sorry |
| 22:45.13 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, shoot |
| 22:45.19 | Ronin | chairmeleon: havent even got us warmed up yet :) |
| 22:46.00 | fsmunoz | We have a pretty high boredom level |
| 22:46.00 | stew | sleep 8h? now i feel silly for having written "sleep $((60*55))" earliar today |
| 22:46.01 | Azar | Guerin: I want a clock because I can't seem to find a decent clock to accomodate the crazy DST settings by the US govt |
| 22:46.01 | Ronin | Azar: ya thats may be interesting when it happens |
| 22:46.01 | Azar | hmmm but that thing looks nice, thanks Guerin |
| 22:46.06 | chairmeleon | Sounds great guys :D Nice channel btw. Well, laptop power saving (suspend-to-disk and stuff) Is there any easy way to get that running under Debian? |
| 22:46.06 | hatter | chairmeleon: here is the one big difference i see: analogy: if you want bookkeeping done, you hire a bookkeeper, if you want your tax done you get an accountant. ubuntu users are like the bookkeeper's, Debian users seem to have a deeper understanding and are more like the accountants |
| 22:46.10 | Guerin | stew: heh, i used to convert it all to seconds |
| 22:46.22 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, of course. |
| 22:46.37 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, *everything* is possible under Debian. |
| 22:46.38 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 22:46.47 | amphi | chairmeleon: works perfectly here |
| 22:46.49 | dr1v3r | guys file what do i add mirrors to again for package lists? |
| 22:46.52 | Guerin | chairmeleon: suspend1 is in stock kernel; suspend2 patches cleanly to a kernel and the userspace controls are all in debian, and work wonderfully. |
| 22:46.58 | Azar | Ronin: I got a very interesting scenario on this article, and does not look funny at all: http://www.edgeblog.net/2007/daylight-saving-time-the-year-2007-problem/ |
| 22:46.58 | chairmeleon | Oh yeah, I too have got the impression that Debian is a little more, 'deep' than ubuntu |
| 22:47.09 | Guerin | modulo some hardware freakuishness, like ipw2x00 |
| 22:47.19 | chairmeleon | Guerin: Is all of this in the repos? |
| 22:47.24 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, uswsusp is probably the package you want |
| 22:47.29 | stew | Guerin: would have saved me at least one burned dinner when i mis calculated minutes->seconds when using "sleep 900 ; xeyes" as my kitchen timer |
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| 22:47.43 | Guerin | chairmeleon: the kernel patch isn't, no. You need to build your own kernel for suspend2. suspend1 is. |
| 22:47.54 | Azar | now we got 4 dates to look at, instead of 2 (for the DST). The New and the Old DST |
| 22:47.56 | Guerin | stew: heh |
| 22:48.10 | arraista | hatter: agreed. ubuntu just seems to be aiming at "converting" newbies. at least more than debian does |
| 22:48.12 | Ronin | Azar: yep we havent done a damn thing about this too, going to be tight as we're a govt shop and move s l o w e r then the rest of the world |
| 22:48.24 | chairmeleon | Guerin: Ok. Maybe I should google for this, but sum it up quickly if you got the time. What's better with suspend2? |
| 22:48.41 | xingu | it's one louder |
| 22:48.43 | Guerin | chairmeleon: dunno, I never used suspend1. |
| 22:49.00 | Azar | Ronin: it gets even "better" if I can say so, all the following years will not only have the same problem, the critical days will multiply: 4 in 2007, 6 in 2008...etc |
| 22:49.01 | hatter | Debian is not trying to convert anybody. 'it just is'. Ubuntu are the marketers of GNU/Linux. |
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| 22:49.22 | amphi | hatter: 'marketeers', please ;) |
| 22:49.22 | chairmeleon | right. Well I don't think I want to get my hands dirty with kernel compiling |
| 22:49.23 | Guerin | hatter: and red hat/fedora/suse/etc |
| 22:49.29 | hatter | 'marketeers' |
| 22:49.35 | Ronin | chairmeleon: shouldn't have to |
| 22:49.42 | chairmeleon | amphi: It's called a marketer (and I'm from sweden, god damn it :D) |
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| 22:50.05 | amphi | chairmeleon: it's called a 'marketeer' AFAIC |
| 22:50.07 | xingu | sweden? that's great, you get refill my vodka |
| 22:50.08 | chairmeleon | Ronin: Well, for suspend2 functionality, I was thinking |
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| 22:50.12 | Guerin | chairmeleon: you misunderestimate his inferentiality. |
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| 22:50.15 | xingu | s/get/can/ |
| 22:50.21 | amphi | Guerin: heh |
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| 22:50.35 | Azar | chairmeleon: from my personal , debian-user point of view, I think ubuntu does a immense service by helping out new users, and keep in mind I never judge the new users for going with ubuntu. |
| 22:50.38 | hatter | ooohhhh.... inferentiality... off to the dictionary |
| 22:50.51 | chairmeleon | amphi: I lost one point at a test for writing 'marketeer'. But, maybe my teacher is a whack then :D |
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| 22:51.23 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, ummm... the standard kernels are compiled with SOFTWARE_SUSPEND... the uswsusp can work I think... at least I have done suspend to disk and to RAM |
| 22:51.25 | xingu | you should've written mouseketeer |
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| 22:51.57 | chairmeleon | Azar: No, it is the 'behind-the-scenes'-stuff that is a bit scary with Ubuntu. Their properietary software and stuff. But, you can't blame the users for that, right :) |
| 22:51.59 | amphi | chairmeleon: it's not strictly correct, but 'marketeer' carries implications I find appropriate and gratifying |
| 22:52.15 | chairmeleon | amphi: Gee, are you British? |
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| 22:52.29 | amphi | chairmeleon: no |
| 22:52.34 | streuner | chairmeleon: did you read what the bot told you? |
| 22:52.59 | chairmeleon | amphi: I thought only Brits wrote such sophisticated English |
| 22:53.05 | chairmeleon | streuner: On what topic? |
| 22:53.06 | x_link | graytron: I think I got the latest nvidia drivers now =) |
| 22:53.14 | x_link | WITHOUT the experimental repo =) |
| 22:53.39 | chairmeleon | fsmunoz: Does uswsusp mean that I can suspend directly from, say, GNOME shutdown menu?? |
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| 22:53.51 | streuner | stew> chairmeleon: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:53.57 | hatter | goddamm spam on the increase again |
| 22:53.59 | amphi | chairmeleon: some of the best modern written english I've seen has been by people from .in |
| 22:54.04 | Guerin | hatter: hadn't noticed |
| 22:54.16 | chairmeleon | streuner: Yeah, and I have read it before |
| 22:54.18 | Guerin | hatter: spam is for people who don't run greylisting |
| 22:54.18 | hatter | just the last few days |
| 22:54.24 | stew | Guerin: i wish |
| 22:54.28 | amphi | chairmeleon: also, what I wrote was not sophisticated at all ;) |
| 22:54.29 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, good question. I think so. |
| 22:54.46 | hatter | I haven't had spam for ages, spamassasiin, pyzor, dcc, razor, have been doing a gr8 job |
| 22:54.59 | chairmeleon | amphi: Oh yeah, sry. I was comparing british and american english :D |
| 22:55.05 | dr1v3r | guys i want to get something from unstable, what is it i would add into the sources list? deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main << i sthat correct? |
| 22:55.09 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, I mean, the important is to "s2disk" to actually work, the GNOME button is just a frontend. But it should work. |
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| 22:55.25 | stew | dr1v3r: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:55.34 | chairmeleon | fsmunoz: Well that was my point, if, uswsusp makes that work :D |
| 22:55.37 | stew | dr1v3r: why are you using ftp instead of http? |
| 22:55.38 | dr1v3r | sarge |
| 22:55.55 | stew | dr1v3r: you dont want to install pacakges from unstable onto stable, you want a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:55.56 | dr1v3r | it was just in the list i copied it |
| 22:56.13 | streuner | chairmeleon: liar |
| 22:56.15 | stew | dr1v3r: so no, that was not correct |
| 22:56.21 | Guerin | stew: what do you wish? |
| 22:56.32 | stew | Guerin: i wish that spam was only for people not running greylisting |
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| 22:56.40 | chairmeleon | streuner: Whaaat? |
| 22:56.41 | Guerin | 7323 rejected (75%) |
| 22:57.00 | Guerin | stew: how much do you get through postgrey? |
| 22:57.11 | stew | Guerin: too much |
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| 22:57.17 | Guerin | :( |
| 22:57.24 | stew | Guerin: can i pull that percentage out from somewhere easily? |
| 22:57.26 | chairmeleon | streuner: Why're you saying so? |
| 22:57.35 | spyroboy | Uhmmm |
| 22:57.37 | streuner | You didn't read "http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/" completely in this short time :-) |
| 22:57.43 | x_link | Is it hard to do a repository? |
| 22:57.43 | Guerin | stew: pipe all your mail logs through pflogsumm |
| 22:57.45 | spyroboy | I'm using AMD64 Debian Etch |
| 22:57.50 | Guerin | stew: if you use postfix |
| 22:57.52 | spyroboy | Something phucked up in apt |
| 22:57.53 | spyroboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.56 | spyroboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.58 | xingu | sophisticated is my favourite press release word - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist |
| 22:58.02 | dr1v3r | stew so what exactly is the difference between using packages from backports and unstable? |
| 22:58.07 | spyroboy | I don't know if it's just me, but is that contradicting itself? |
| 22:58.21 | Guerin | spyroboy: you have broken sources. |
| 22:58.26 | spyroboy | damnit |
| 22:58.37 | stew | spyroboy: put the otuput of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6" into a pastebin |
| 22:58.37 | Guerin | spyroboy: are you running testing? |
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| 22:58.47 | spyroboy | Guerin, not sure. Let me check. |
| 22:58.53 | streuner | or you just didn't unterstand why he's talking about, otherwise you wouldn't ask such questions :-) |
| 22:59.01 | Guerin | spyroboy: doing what stew said will tell us |
| 22:59.09 | chairmeleon | brb, gotta go see if my gtk1.2 iceweasel has compiled fine :D |
| 22:59.18 | spyroboy | http://rafb.net/p/DmcSb440.html |
| 22:59.23 | xingu | it's truly ironic, the number of things claimed as sophisticated that truely are confusion and/or illogical. |
| 22:59.31 | xingu | s/ion/ing/ |
| 22:59.34 | hatter | pflogsumm - for postfix |
| 22:59.45 | spyroboy | I pasted it right there. |
| 22:59.45 | hatter | stew: u using postfix ? |
| 22:59.56 | stew | hatter: yes |
| 23:00.15 | Guerin | spyroboy: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 23:00.15 | hatter | I am using qmail. think I will change to postfix soon. |
| 23:00.24 | Guerin | !pity hatter |
| 23:00.24 | dpkg | I pity da fool hatter! |
| 23:00.24 | spyroboy | Guerin, Hmm.. |
| 23:00.25 | JordiGH | Gimp version 2.3 is development. Is that the reason why it isn't in Debian? |
| 23:00.27 | spyroboy | Alright |
| 23:00.39 | Hermedia | hi friend, i just want an information, i want tar a folder structure, only a folder structure and file who begin with dot (like .bashrc) how i can make a tar of this? |
| 23:00.44 | Guerin | JordiGH: because debian doesn't include development packages, only released packages |
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| 23:00.49 | hatter | guerin: thx, nothing like some pity to cheer someone up :) |
| 23:00.55 | spyroboy | Guerin, not sure if I'l be able to upgrade.. |
| 23:01.09 | Guerin | Hermedia: man find |
| 23:01.10 | spyroboy | Guerin, I have a very small bandwidth limit on my ISP |
| 23:01.24 | Hermedia | guerin i know find |
| 23:01.29 | Guerin | spyroboy: bugger. |
| 23:01.29 | Hermedia | find -type d |
| 23:01.30 | stew | spyroboy: what happens if you run "aptitude install libc6-i386" |
| 23:01.39 | spyroboy | sec |
| 23:01.40 | stew | spyroboy: (assuming you've run "aptitude update" recently) |
| 23:01.40 | Hermedia | but i don't know how associate tar and find |
| 23:01.43 | spyroboy | ypdating apt |
| 23:01.49 | spyroboy | up* |
| 23:02.24 | Guerin | Hermedia: cool. write a find line to select all the files you want, and pipe it into tar |
| 23:02.31 | hatter | JordiGH: IIRC the odd numbers are for develepment |
| 23:02.37 | Azar | Cleaning up Debian or "aptitude" vs "apt-get" http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 23:02.41 | Guerin | Hermedia: xargs or maybe even -exec? |
| 23:02.53 | Hermedia | xargs i have tried... |
| 23:02.56 | stew | hatter: find ..... -print0 | xargs -0 tar cf /path/to.tar |
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| 23:03.06 | Hermedia | now i try stew |
| 23:03.09 | Hermedia | thank you very very much |
| 23:03.23 | spyroboy | hmm |
| 23:03.28 | spyroboy | update seems to be hanging.. |
| 23:03.28 | xingu | hatta: not any more; http://kerneltrap.org/node/3513 |
| 23:03.37 | spyroboy | must be my slow connection |
| 23:03.38 | xingu | s/hatta/hatter/ |
| 23:03.42 | JordiGH | Guerin: I think your rule doesn't apply universally. I just thought of a counterexample: octave2.9 is the "development" package, and it's in Debian. I guess it's up to the DD to decide if development versions should be packaged or not. |
| 23:04.07 | hatter | xingu: is that replace just in vim ? or it works somewhere else ? |
| 23:04.12 | Guerin | JordiGH: yes, there is some discretion, but that is the general rule. |
| 23:04.46 | spyroboy | Mmm.. |
| 23:04.49 | JordiGH | That being said, can text in gimp be made to follow paths? |
| 23:04.55 | spyroboy | this is taking much too long |
| 23:04.57 | JordiGH | #gimp seems to think I need gimp 2.3 :-/ |
| 23:05.03 | xingu | hatter: standard regex in search/replace |
| 23:05.05 | spyroboy | what does it mean if apt is hanging while updating? |
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| 23:05.14 | spyroboy | 99% [36 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 23:05.18 | Azar | spyroboy: you might want to read that article, is not too long :) |
| 23:05.19 | xingu | hatter: pops up all over the shop; sed, awk, perl, ... |
| 23:05.20 | spyroboy | Been there for the past 3 minutes |
| 23:05.28 | streuner | spyroboy: just try again |
| 23:05.30 | spyroboy | Azar, where? |
| 23:05.38 | Azar | spyroboy: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 23:05.40 | hatter | xingu: ah, cool, which is why its nice to use vim... |
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| 23:06.01 | hatter | stew: which editor do you prefer ? |
| 23:06.04 | xingu | hatter: I prefer nvi personally but whatever floats your boat |
| 23:06.05 | stew | spyroboy: you have like 6 redundant sources, why don't you trim down to only one actual debian mirror |
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| 23:06.14 | chairmeleon | ok, more questions. what is the most lightweight browser I can get, that still has flash support? |
| 23:06.20 | hatter | xingu: cool |
| 23:06.33 | spyroboy | stew, oh.. which one? |
| 23:06.45 | spyroboy | I presume us.debian.org |
| 23:06.51 | spyroboy | I live in canada |
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| 23:07.06 | Ronin | spyroboy: or a canadian one |
| 23:07.10 | Hermedia | stew it don't work... or work like a command but this script don't save only the folder, save the file too |
| 23:07.17 | Azar | stew is right, three good sources are enough (security being the third..) |
| 23:07.35 | Hermedia | find /home/tryed -type d -print0 | xargs -0 tar jcfv /home/cancellare.tar.bz2 |
| 23:07.50 | stew | spyroboy: you have http://ftp.us.debian.org http://http.us.debian.org http://mirrors.kernel.org http://debian.oregonstate.edu, which are all the same. you have others that probably are, just that they are from urls i don't recognize |
| 23:07.50 | spyroboy | updating.. |
| 23:08.08 | stew | Hermedia: then the arguments to find were wrong |
| 23:08.27 | pickcoder | I rarely have problems with ftp.debian.org |
| 23:08.32 | spyroboy | alright done |
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| 23:08.47 | chairmeleon | Anybody out there knowing of a browser, lighter than mozilla/firefox/galeon, with flash support? |
| 23:08.49 | spyroboy | stew, when I run: -[~]$ sudo apt-get install libc6-i386 |
| 23:08.50 | Hermedia | stew if i launch the command find /home/tryed -type d -print0 |
| 23:08.54 | spyroboy | I get that same error |
| 23:08.54 | Hermedia | it work fine |
| 23:08.59 | spyroboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.02 | spyroboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.05 | spyroboy | that. |
| 23:09.10 | fsmunoz | Actually.... if tar is provided with a directory path by find I think it will recursively tar everything beneath... |
| 23:09.37 | stew | Hermedia: if you tell tar to tar a directory, its going to tar up the entire directory |
| 23:09.38 | xingu | Hermedia: tar doesn't work the way you think it works; you probably mean to do something like find ... >tarfile.idx; tar ... -I tarfile.idx |
| 23:09.43 | Zap-W | is there a feature in apt-get to turn on marking of automatically installed package dependencies , like aptitude |
| 23:09.45 | stew | Hermedia: you have to tell it just to tar the files you want in the archive |
| 23:09.53 | stew | Zap-W: no |
| 23:10.01 | Hermedia | -I Include don't work |
| 23:10.12 | spyroboy | I so fucked my system :( |
| 23:10.14 | Azar | spyroboy: why not try using "aptitude" instead of "apt-get" , read the article of why |
| 23:10.18 | vulture | Zap-W: No - use aptitute. |
| 23:10.19 | Guerin | Zap-W: that's the whole point of aptitude |
| 23:10.24 | stew | spyroboy: put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6-i386" into a pastebin |
| 23:10.25 | spyroboy | Azar, I see. |
| 23:10.26 | vulture | one of the main points, at least |
| 23:10.26 | tabris|away | chairmeleon: I never did use it... but opera? |
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| 23:10.50 | Hermedia | there are a system for save only stuctrure of a folder? |
| 23:10.54 | Hermedia | i don't want file. |
| 23:10.57 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, try adding the "--no-recursion" option to tar |
| 23:10.59 | chairmeleon | tabris: that would require QT, which pulls memory usage up by a mile? |
| 23:11.02 | Hermedia | ok |
| 23:11.17 | spyroboy | stew, http://rafb.net/p/JBspJM58.html |
| 23:11.29 | Hermedia | fsmunoz good, thank you |
| 23:11.31 | Hermedia | it's solved |
| 23:11.35 | fsmunoz | yw |
| 23:11.42 | xingu | Hermedia: but that'll do what it does, so you'll need find ... -type d >foo.idx; tar -I foo.idx --no-recursion |
| 23:11.47 | chairmeleon | I'm talking about, like..the lowest-end X-system you can run. Desktop icons, taskbar, and a flash compatible web browser is all that I need for that one |
| 23:11.58 | stew | oh, i guess -11 went into testing |
| 23:12.05 | Hermedia | xingu thank you... the solution of fsmunoz work fine :) |
| 23:12.13 | amphi | chairmeleon: desktop icons is not lowest end |
| 23:12.13 | Hermedia | thank you for your help :) |
| 23:12.16 | stew | spyroboy: what happens when you run "aptitude install libc6-i386" ? |
| 23:12.37 | chairmeleon | amphi: Well, the lowest-end I can run, while still retaining these functions |
| 23:12.39 | amphi | chairmeleon: icewm is a lightwm with a taskbar |
| 23:12.42 | fsmunoz | Well, I only added one flag, the real solution was the find/pipe part |
| 23:12.42 | Azar | chairmeleon: the minimal X does not have icons, bars, stuff like that |
| 23:13.02 | Hermedia | yeah the union make the power :) |
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| 23:13.15 | chairmeleon | Azar: No, but as I said, the lowest-end I can get, while still having a taskbar, icons and a flash compatible browser |
| 23:13.16 | amphi | chairmeleon: or there are standalone taskbars you can use with wms like openbox, I believe |
| 23:13.24 | spyroboy | stew, it seems to e doing something. |
| 23:13.29 | spyroboy | be* |
| 23:13.36 | spyroboy | getting a TON of stit though |
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| 23:13.55 | arraista | I have a little piece of software that I would like to package for Debian. Where do I start? should I setup my own repository or just distribute a .deb file? |
| 23:14.02 | chairmeleon | amphi: Oh, thanks for the info:) But, the wm issue is a secondary. What I need the most right now is a lightweight browser with flash support |
| 23:14.13 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, black/flux/openbox + ROX will take care of taskbar, windows and icons. |
| 23:14.15 | Azar | chairmeleon: I do not use gnome, kde or any such stuff> I just type startx and get a plain empty screen, where I installed a bg image. I use openbox3 as manager, and that is all I got. |
| 23:14.16 | stew | spyroboy: did you have stuff on hold? when was the last time you upgraded? |
| 23:14.16 | amphi | chairmeleon: I know of none |
| 23:14.17 | spyroboy | The following packages will be upgraded: libc6 libc6-dev libc6-dev-i386 libc6-i386 |
| 23:14.33 | spyroboy | stewnot sure. |
| 23:14.36 | spyroboy | bah |
| 23:14.36 | spyroboy | I'm lagging |
| 23:14.37 | madd_matt | arraista, for a single package, if not updated that frequntly, you're probably best off with just a single .deb, and maybe getting it into a repo. |
| 23:14.38 | stew | spyroboy: that looks correct, you wouldn't be able to upgrade any of those without upgrading the rest |
| 23:15.03 | spyroboy | I see. |
| 23:15.07 | chairmeleon | Azar: Yeah I know that is perfectly usable, but this is a box for windows refugees. Their min. requirements were taskbar, icons and browser |
| 23:15.09 | spyroboy | Thanks |
| 23:15.21 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, I don't know any browser with flash apart from the gecko ones (firefox, galeon, epiphany) and konqueror. |
| 23:15.22 | xingu | hah, soft landings for windows bailouts |
| 23:15.23 | frlex | hm... anybody know how to connect a dsl-modem-router to a wifi-router? dsl-modem-router -> MODEM_port of wifi-router (both DHCP) doesn't work |
| 23:15.39 | arraista | what if it is updated quite frequently? and do you mean I should be better of convincing someone to include it on their repo or should I roll my own? |
| 23:16.12 | chairmeleon | I need to get all of that running smooth on 64mb of ram. and, It's all going great except for the loooong load time of ff/galeon |
| 23:16.13 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, for a less minimalistic feel while still light you can try the XFCE route |
| 23:16.20 | xingu | frlex: the modem port will be a routed interface; just connect it to one of the lan ports via an ordinary x-over |
| 23:16.20 | Azar | chairmeleon: openbox opens at a mouse click and has drop-down menus that one navigates. Includes all applications you got. But if you can't leave without icons, you ought to have gnome or kde |
| 23:16.20 | arraista | madd_matt: I am releasing this thing every three weeks. would that qualify as frequently? |
| 23:16.33 | fsmunoz | chairmeleon, which gives you icons, taksbar, windows and file manager. |
| 23:16.34 | xingu | frlex: and for the love of $diety disable one of the two dhcp servers. |
| 23:16.37 | madd_matt | arraista, are your users going to be willing to download the .deb from you each tiem? |
| 23:16.47 | chairmeleon | well, I got a light flux desktop up and running...xfce wasn't that light |
| 23:16.54 | hatter | chairmeleon: you serioulsy want a flash enabled browser with only 64Mb RAM ? |
| 23:16.55 | frlex | xingu: a normal ethernet rj-45 cable... does that work too? |
| 23:16.56 | chairmeleon | icewm is nice too :) |
| 23:17.05 | frlex | xingu: which one shall be disabled? |
| 23:17.07 | madd_matt | frlex, disable the DHCP on the wifi router. connect a switch port on the dsl/router to one on the wifi router. |
| 23:17.09 | fsmunoz | Azar, he could use ROX to provide the desktop icons. It works pretty well. |
| 23:17.17 | xingu | frlex: only if one or both ends supports auto-mdi-x |
| 23:17.19 | fsmunoz | And is light |
| 23:17.20 | arraista | madd_matt: don't think so. but some of them might not have issues with adding a repo of mine to their sources.list |
| 23:17.24 | chairmeleon | hatter: Yeah, the load time is the only issue. John Bonhams drumsolo over at youtube played just fine :) |
| 23:17.39 | arraista | madd_matt: and enjoying the automagic updates |
| 23:17.41 | Azar | fsmunoz: right, only I have no idea of such applications since I do not want to see any icons on my desk |
| 23:17.59 | fsmunoz | Azar, ehe, I understand. |
| 23:18.04 | spyroboy | stew, it seems to have done veerything right |
| 23:18.04 | madd_matt | frlex, make sure the LAN IP of the wifi router isn't the same as the DSL router -- ie, they're both not 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:18.05 | spyroboy | but |
| 23:18.05 | spyroboy | Errors were encountered while processing: libc6-dev-i386 |
| 23:18.14 | xingu | frlex: depends who you love the least; the failure mode is - what happens if (dsl router||accesspoint) blows up; if you have more wlan clients than lan clients - disable the dhcp server on the dsl gateway. |
| 23:18.15 | spyroboy | That didn't installed? |
| 23:18.16 | stew | spyroboy: put the output into a pastebin |
| 23:18.30 | hatter | chairmeleon: the PC is obviously on a network, how about using it as a thin client and using a terminal server somewhere ? |
| 23:18.31 | xingu | frlex: this is ever-so-slightly offtopic for #debian btw. |
| 23:18.39 | spyroboy | stew, alright |
| 23:18.43 | karsten | ... with the subtitle "not even to correct this tyop" |
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| 23:18.54 | spyroboy | stew, http://rafb.net/p/M7u8h465.html |
| 23:19.01 | madd_matt | frlex, you may consider #networking more help |
| 23:19.04 | chairmeleon | hatter: no, that's out of question, at least as a primary alternative |
| 23:19.14 | frlex | thanks madd_matt, xingu |
| 23:19.37 | chairmeleon | But. say I should bump it up to 192-256MB of RAM, will xfce run smoothly then ? (it's a 667Mhz Celeron CPU) |
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| 23:19.48 | hatter | chairmeleon: yes |
| 23:20.06 | peesse | hi! is it possible to install vegastrike with an "apt-get"? if so what is the adress for sources.list? |
| 23:20.29 | karsten | !tell peesse about search |
| 23:20.31 | chairmeleon | hatter: Sounds nice. I'm doing this for the local municipality offices you see. And they told me I could have loads more of RAM if I wanted too |
| 23:20.36 | chairmeleon | so I |
| 23:20.39 | karsten | peesse: If it's in a Debian archive, yes. If not, maybe. |
| 23:20.40 | chairmeleon | I'll opt for that |
| 23:20.52 | xingu | flash, 64MB - this is cellphone/ embedded territory |
| 23:21.02 | xingu | try your luck with galeon or opera |
| 23:21.07 | Hermedia | fsmunoz: I haven't solved the problem, the command work fine, but the command save only the last folder, not all ehehhee |
| 23:21.16 | Azar | peesse: apt-get will only retreive for you packages on the repositories ment for your Debian version. If your beloved application/package is not there you need to use backports (if the application is in Debian repositories any version) |
| 23:21.25 | chairmeleon | xingu: Once again, there was no trouble whatsoever playing flash |
| 23:21.28 | chairmeleon | the only PITA was the load time of the browser |
| 23:21.29 | peesse | karsten, thanks for your answer, i the apt-cache search command gives nothing... i guess i'll have to complie |
| 23:21.50 | karsten | peesse: Check upstream. Where's the package from? |
| 23:21.57 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, ok. give me a sec then |
| 23:22.05 | Hermedia | don't worry |
| 23:22.05 | stew | spyroboy: where did ia32-libs-kde come from? that isn't a debian package |
| 23:22.09 | hatter | chairmeleon: always say yes to RAM |
| 23:22.11 | madd_matt | peesse, its in unstable, it has some issues. |
| 23:22.12 | karsten | peesse: Options include: RPM, alien, stow, build from source, or random binary install. |
| 23:22.12 | stew | spyroboy: you should remove that package |
| 23:22.22 | peesse | apt-get install vegastrike |
| 23:22.25 | spyroboy | stew, not sure. Alriht. |
| 23:22.26 | peesse | oups |
| 23:22.28 | spyroboy | ght* |
| 23:22.37 | peesse | http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:22.54 | peesse | <madd_matt> : what kind of issues please? |
| 23:22.54 | madd_matt | peesse: http://www.google.ca/search?q=vegastrike+debian |
| 23:23.00 | peesse | lol |
| 23:23.08 | madd_matt | peesse, depends on some libraries which are marked as "old" |
| 23:23.32 | peesse | <madd_matt> : you played at it ? |
| 23:23.55 | madd_matt | peesse, I googled for "vegastrike debian" and read the first page. |
| 23:24.06 | stew | peesse: when you use <> around someone's nick, it looks like you are quoting them (incorrectly), not addressing them |
| 23:24.06 | chairmeleon | hatter: Yeah, I will |
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| 23:24.21 | xingu | my brain is barfing on the unclosed tags |
| 23:24.21 | peesse | ok stew |
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| 23:24.39 | chairmeleon | well well, off to install the latest etch, kicking ubuntu out? Does that sound fine to you ? :D |
| 23:24.46 | spyroboy | Mmmm... |
| 23:24.46 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, the commands works fine here... |
| 23:25.03 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, I mean, it creates an empty directory structure... what's the error you were refering? |
| 23:25.21 | spyroboy | yay! |
| 23:25.29 | spyroboy | stew, thanks a bunch :D |
| 23:25.53 | hatter | Don't you love windows updates that suddenly fire up the CD drive |
| 23:25.56 | Hermedia | fsmunoz i have many folder to create |
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| 23:26.30 | Hermedia | but this command save only the last 100 or more folders |
| 23:26.31 | xingu | hatter: nothing to worry about, it's just trawling all your removable media for cc details to pass on to kind uncle bill |
| 23:26.34 | Hermedia | not all |
| 23:26.41 | Hermedia | i tryed to launch this command |
| 23:26.53 | hatter | xingu: and I gave him permission.... such a nice lad i am |
| 23:26.56 | JordiGH | If I have a gimp script written in lisp, how do I use it? |
| 23:26.59 | Hermedia | -=>find /home/vpopmail/domains -type d | xargs -0 tar cfv /home/cancellare.tar --no-recursion |
| 23:26.59 | Hermedia | xargs: riga di argomento troppo lunga |
| 23:27.09 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, ahh yes |
| 23:27.14 | hatter | 'Hi Uncle Bill' |
| 23:27.23 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, luckily for you I'm also a Romance speaker, ehe |
| 23:27.26 | Hermedia | the traduction of this mean who this row of arguments is too much long |
| 23:27.27 | xingu | and... tada. this is why you nead -I |
| 23:27.33 | Hermedia | fsmunoz heheheh |
| 23:27.43 | xingu | because your maximum argument length is finite |
| 23:27.43 | Hermedia | yeah i know from portugal |
| 23:27.55 | xingu | bounded, you will soon discover, by the size of a VM page |
| 23:28.05 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, right. Let me think... |
| 23:28.07 | Hermedia | vm? |
| 23:28.18 | xingu | but hey, never mind me, you go reinvent that wheel |
| 23:28.24 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, try the advice given before, creating an index file |
| 23:28.24 | Hermedia | it's a dedicated server with dual xeon |
| 23:28.27 | Hermedia | and 4 gb of ram |
| 23:28.34 | Hermedia | i don't think this is the limit |
| 23:28.37 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, do the find and instead os piping it |
| 23:28.54 | Hermedia | if i make this command find /home/vpopmail/domains -type d |
| 23:28.57 | Hermedia | i don't have problem |
| 23:29.02 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, redirect it to a file with > list.idx |
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| 23:29.07 | Hermedia | yeah |
| 23:29.07 | xingu | I think that VM pages are finite length and that maxargs is so constrained |
| 23:29.09 | Hermedia | and after? |
| 23:29.10 | hatter | I am having a problem with the ethc installer, can I manually tell it DNS to use ? |
| 23:29.16 | xingu | once, I actually read execve and came out understanding it |
| 23:29.26 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, exactly, that's why taking xarfs out of the way might work |
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| 23:29.44 | Hermedia | ok and after? how i can backup the command? |
| 23:29.57 | zenwryly | I often end up needing to scan letter sized pages to PDF files. I'd love to find a tool with a simple GUI that can give me a one-step process for doing that. Any suggestions? |
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| 23:30.41 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, after just do the exactly same tar command, but add "-T myfile.idx" |
| 23:30.43 | JordiGH | zenwryly: I think KDE has such a thing. Let me look around. |
| 23:30.46 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, to the options |
| 23:31.09 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, just the tar command , leave xargs out of it |
| 23:31.12 | JordiGH | !info kooka |
| 23:31.18 | dpkg | kooka: (scanner program for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 739 kB, Installed size: 1200 kB |
| 23:31.36 | Hermedia | i think now work |
| 23:31.37 | Hermedia | :) |
| 23:31.47 | Hermedia | so -I is changed in -T ? |
| 23:32.26 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, I just did an "info tar", -T seems to be the flag in my version of tar at least |
| 23:32.48 | Hermedia | ok now work |
| 23:32.55 | nn2 | hi |
| 23:32.58 | xingu | yep, seems so; somewhere along the line gnu tar forgot about sysvr4 tar's prior art |
| 23:33.02 | Hermedia | fsmunoz i'm an old user of unix |
| 23:33.04 | Hermedia | in caldera |
| 23:33.10 | Hermedia | i used -I |
| 23:33.14 | HAL9003 | guys, when i use a 2.4 kernel without ACPI/APM tools on my old Celeron laptop, the laptop obviously goes into suspend when i close it (power management in BIOS is disabled), and when i reopen it, the backlight is not working. any ideas to fix that? |
| 23:33.18 | hatter | hatter: yes you can. (after he reads) boot: install force static/dhcp=off |
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| 23:33.33 | karsten | Hermedia: '-I' used to be bzip2. |
| 23:33.34 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, I remember -I as well... GNU tar must have changed that somewhere along the line |
| 23:33.44 | Hermedia | ah ok |
| 23:33.50 | zenwryly | JordiGH: thanks! |
| 23:33.54 | xingu | karsten: evil. |
| 23:33.56 | karsten | xingu: repressed memories of a traumatic childhood. |
| 23:33.56 | Hermedia | debian it's a nice distribution |
| 23:34.02 | Hermedia | i used it just from few days |
| 23:34.07 | Hermedia | but it's very complete |
| 23:34.12 | Hermedia | and easyful :) |
| 23:34.46 | Azar | nice I got a song for abrotman now: you are sooo easyfulll to meeee.... can't you seeeee? |
| 23:34.49 | xingu | oh well, bugger it, when I need a file-list from stdin I'll continue to hide in my bunker of cpio |
| 23:35.09 | Hermedia | hehehe |
| 23:35.14 | karsten | xingu: Shell expansions are your friend. |
| 23:35.18 | xingu | karsten: might I be the first to suggest "much more easyful than the other guy!" |
| 23:35.19 | Azar | Hermedia: hey nice, thanks |
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| 23:35.28 | Hermedia | ehheheh |
| 23:35.44 | xingu | that's marketeering |
| 23:35.46 | Hermedia | hehehehhehehe |
| 23:35.49 | karsten | Guerin: That's easyful for you to say. |
| 23:35.49 | Hermedia | i'm working for sap |
| 23:35.51 | Guerin | xingu: true. |
| 23:35.55 | Hermedia | this is already bad for me |
| 23:35.57 | Hermedia | ehehehehhehe |
| 23:36.04 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 23:36.10 | Hermedia | i don't want another work in IT |
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| 23:36.15 | Guerin | stupid dns registry bureacraticality |
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| 23:36.25 | streuner | see Azar |
| 23:36.31 | Guerin | it's very, very lucky i didn't cancel those email accounts from all those moons ago |
| 23:36.32 | Hermedia | maybe i want change work and begin a prostitute man |
| 23:36.34 | Hermedia | heheheh :) |
| 23:36.37 | streuner | abrotman: wanna marry? |
| 23:36.42 | karsten | Hermedia: Your english is much bonissimo than my Italian. |
| 23:36.45 | Azar | :) |
| 23:36.46 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, yes, less demanding users there. |
| 23:36.47 | Azar | don't tell him |
| 23:36.49 | Hermedia | heheheh |
| 23:36.53 | streuner | Azar: hehe |
| 23:36.55 | Hermedia | karsten ehehhehehee |
| 23:36.55 | abrotman | streuner: do i look like hasselhoff ? |
| 23:36.59 | streuner | haha |
| 23:37.04 | Hermedia | absolutely yeah |
| 23:37.04 | streuner | :-P |
| 23:37.08 | xingu | abrotman: no but you sing like him |
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| 23:37.15 | Hermedia | i talk a few of italian dialect with a few of english |
| 23:37.16 | Hermedia | ehehehe |
| 23:37.20 | nn2 | :-D Go debian ! it rocks!!!!! With Webserver and all |
| 23:37.26 | nn2 | ! |
| 23:37.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:37.57 | nn2 | how come smile faces never show up in xchat?? |
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| 23:38.05 | Hermedia | now i continue to working... |
| 23:38.12 | Hermedia | thank you for this break :) |
| 23:38.16 | Hermedia | good work to all :) |
| 23:38.49 | streuner | nn2: that's an feature in another irc-client, but not in X-Chat |
| 23:39.01 | fsmunoz | Hermedia, thanks and good night |
| 23:39.10 | amphi | nn2: you can't see semicolon close-bracket? ;) |
| 23:39.23 | xingu | buona notte |
| 23:39.45 | streuner | nn2: just 'switch' the head to the right or to the left ;-) |
| 23:39.56 | Hermedia | i need to work, but thank you very much! |
| 23:40.02 | streuner | have fun |
| 23:40.23 | fsmunoz | yw |
| 23:40.29 | streuner | dpkg, karma abrotman |
| 23:40.29 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 25 |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | so low ... |
| 23:40.37 | streuner | !abrotman++ |
| 23:40.41 | streuner | dpkg, karma abrotman |
| 23:40.41 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 26 |
| 23:40.46 | streuner | well... |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | !karma greycat |
| 23:40.52 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 23:41.00 | streuner | oh dude |
| 23:41.01 | xingu | abrotman has the karma of a 26yro |
| 23:41.02 | fsmunoz | karma wh0res |
| 23:41.29 | xingu | whereas I am a pristine karma virgin |
| 23:41.33 | abrotman | at least i'm not a 'sw' |
| 23:41.39 | karsten | abrotman: sw? |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | !sw |
| 23:41.45 | dpkg | troubled: you un-stats whore |
| 23:41.52 | abrotman | !sw karsten |
| 23:41.53 | dpkg | karsten: you stats whore! |
| 23:42.24 | enouf | HAL9003: not sure if that's DPMS related or what .. try the 2.6 kernel? how old is the laptop? .. which celeron is it? |
| 23:42.34 | enouf | er celery :-P |
| 23:42.49 | karsten | abrotman: skew me, skew me, ttest me raw! |
| 23:42.56 | hatter | who writes all this dpkg stuff ? |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | no |
| 23:43.09 | abrotman | hatter: dpkg has been around for a long time |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | !stats |
| 23:43.11 | dpkg | Since Wed Feb 14 12:05:03 2007, there have been 1 modification, 132 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 48 commands. I have been awake for 11h 38m 8s this session, and currently reference 37147 factoids. I'm using about 14020 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 81.84/4.14 child 0/0 |
| 23:43.12 | karsten | hatter: Losers with no lives. |
| 23:43.18 | enouf | hatter: she self-educates |
| 23:43.22 | streuner | karsten: hehe :-) |
| 23:43.37 | hatter | its a she ? |
| 23:43.40 | streuner | karsten: that's not a full truth :-) |
| 23:43.42 | abrotman | !gender |
| 23:43.42 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 23:43.44 | enouf | hatter: to me she is ;-) |
| 23:43.50 | hatter | lol |
| 23:43.56 | xingu | dpkg, you'll be a woman, soon |
| 23:44.03 | hatter | 37000 factoids |
| 23:44.05 | hatter | whoa |
| 23:44.05 | streuner | dpkg, gender? |
| 23:44.05 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
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| 23:44.19 | HAL9003 | enouf, its a Celeron 2GHz (Amilo, by Fujitsu Simens) and i would like to understand why i need the ACPI functionality, because i wanted to run a minimal debian setup to save as much resources as possible |
| 23:44.28 | enouf | dpkg what are you? |
| 23:44.28 | hatter | why is she/he called dpkg ? |
| 23:44.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:44.36 | karsten | streuner: Ok, which half are you contesting? |
| 23:44.37 | streuner | hatter: why not? |
| 23:44.46 | fsmunoz | dpkg real doll: apt-get into it. |
| 23:44.46 | zamuro | dpkg: Kiss me |
| 23:44.48 | streuner | karsten: don't ask |
| 23:44.52 | zamuro | ^_^ |
| 23:44.55 | hatter | lol |
| 23:44.59 | karsten | streuner: Don't tell. |
| 23:45.08 | streuner | karsten: :-P |
| 23:45.09 | enouf | HAL9003: well .. hehe you may want to read the kernel docs to explain that ;-) |
| 23:45.15 | hatter | dpkg, monkeys |
| 23:45.16 | dpkg | [monkeys] the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 23:45.37 | hatter | dpkg, earth |
| 23:45.37 | dpkg | Welcome to Earth(R) a Subsidiary of Microsoft(R) |
| 23:45.37 | enouf | HAL9003: but that should easily use acpi without issues, though a buggy BIOS, and screwy DSDT will munge that |
| 23:45.47 | abrotman | hatter: msg the damn bot |
| 23:45.53 | hatter | ok |
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| 23:46.24 | xingu | HAL9003: I'd be very surprised if your laptop is actually in suspend with the lid closed and no apmd/acpid/hal running |
| 23:46.33 | enouf | HAL9003: acpi is not supposed to help drain your battery .. afaik .. it's a .5v trickle |
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| 23:47.07 | HAL9003 | i dont need the battery stuff |
| 23:47.19 | xingu | HAL9003: it's entirely plausible that the screen will get blanked and dimmed but bringing it back to life is going to need assistance from userspace and it in turn is going to need events from apm or acpi |
| 23:47.24 | xingu | HAL9003: ... and that's just the way it is. :) |
| 23:47.38 | enouf | HAL9003: start at acpi.sf.net .. then also d/l and install /Documentation for your kernel or visit lxr.linux.no |
| 23:47.39 | HAL9003 | xingu, no. it goes into suspend cause i cant ping the box anymore if i close it |
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| 23:48.24 | xingu | HAL9003: ... well there must be at least kernel help for that if it resumes without rebooting; even for suspend to ram state. |
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| 23:48.41 | HAL9003 | the 2.4 kernel i used does not even have that feature |
| 23:49.02 | HAL9003 | and the BIOS option is deaktivated in all cases |
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| 23:49.10 | enouf | more here http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/ACPI-HOWTO/ and http://www.cpqlinux.com/acpi-howto.html |
| 23:49.34 | enouf | 2.4 what? 2.4.27? |
| 23:49.46 | eyeris | Why is libmtp not in the unstable packages repositories? Does it have patent incumberances? |
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| 23:50.06 | abrotman | eyeris: is it in the WNPP pages ? |
| 23:50.06 | xingu | HAL9003: which means at least kernel apm or kernel acpi, take your pick pay your money and choose your poison |
| 23:50.17 | eyeris | abrotman, What are the WNPP pages? |
| 23:50.20 | olsen | hi, how can i install the latest nvidia drivers on etch? |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 23:50.21 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
| 23:50.25 | enouf | eyeris: /msg dpkg why is libmtp not in testing |
| 23:50.35 | hatter | I am about to build a new server image for my servers and have to decide now between exim or postfix. leaving qmail behind. which one should i use ? (i have used neither, only qmail for years) |
| 23:50.43 | abrotman | eyeris: i don't see it there though |
| 23:50.52 | eyeris | harumph!, I just tried /msg dpkg libmtp and he ignored me :) |
| 23:50.58 | abrotman | libmtp |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | !libmtp |
| 23:51.11 | stew | i didn't get a harumph out of that guy |
| 23:51.12 | abrotman | nothing! |
| 23:51.29 | abrotman | stew: maybe a "Damn kids these days" ? |
| 23:51.46 | hatter | (it wasn't me, i didn't break her) |
| 23:51.47 | enouf | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libmtp only returns for testing |
| 23:52.35 | abrotman | enouf: that doesn't tell anyone anything .. |
| 23:52.42 | enouf | eyeris: whenever an issue like that .. go directly to the pdo pkg's page and read the changelogs and scuh |
| 23:52.50 | enouf | abrotman: well it should |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | if it's in debian at all .. which it doesn't appear to be |
| 23:53.14 | enouf | atleast point to bug reports and scuh |
| 23:53.19 | xingu | http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/ - The core implementation is identical to libgphoto2, there is just a different API adapted to portable media players. |
| 23:53.25 | eyeris | !pdo |
| 23:53.25 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:53.32 | enouf | abrotman: well that's _some_info :-P |
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| 23:53.54 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
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| 23:54.08 | loiic_ | Hi there |
| 23:54.32 | loiic_ | does anyone know a script i could install on my server to get some statistics such as mem usage, cpu load, etc? |
| 23:54.38 | eyeris | enouf, where would I find that for libmtp? As far as I can tell, it is not in Debian at all. |
| 23:54.53 | Harley^ | Is there a command line directive like -m64 to gcc that ensures that programs are compiled for the AMD64 ? |
| 23:54.56 | JordiGH | Is there a Debian package for the freetype plugin in Gimp? apt-cache search "freetype" gives a scary amount of crap, and "apt-cache search freetype gimp" gives nothing. |
| 23:54.57 | xingu | the real question, is why do you need it? |
| 23:54.59 | enouf | eyeris: then you have an issue .. :-) .. not available |
| 23:55.05 | loiic_ | information served to a web browser would be the best |
| 23:55.08 | xingu | it's being surgically replaced by libgphoto2 |
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| 23:55.58 | eyeris | enouf, Right, I know. My goal of coming here was too see if it would be included in the official repos if someone wanted it there. Right now the upstream dev makes .debs, but they aren't much help because, not being in the official repos, things like Amarok and Gnomad2 don't make use of them, |
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| 23:56.25 | enouf | eyeris: mind you there are some 20,000 pkgs, most of which many of us never heard of .. let alone which files/libs are where .. happy hunting ;-) /msg dpkg search is helpful, but not for pkgs not in Debian |
| 23:56.30 | fsmunoz | loiic_, real time or over a period of time? |
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| 23:56.45 | loiic_ | real time would be the best |
| 23:57.13 | enouf | eyeris: suggest Debian-mentor, or email the maintainer, or se debian-devel |
| 23:57.16 | fsmunoz | loiic_, I'm assuming something more complete than top, or htop? |
| 23:57.53 | enouf | eyeris: lists.debian.org .. look around .. |
| 23:58.24 | abrotman | eyeris: file an RFP |
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| 23:58.43 | loiic_ | fsmunoz: something with graphs and co that could be displayed in a webbrowser |
| 23:58.44 | fsmunoz | loiic_, htop is nice btw |
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| 23:58.52 | eyeris | I will do all of that :) |
| 23:59.34 | fsmunoz | loiic_, I'm assuming something more complete than top, or htop? |
| 23:59.36 | fsmunoz | loiic_, htop is nice btw |
